The Joe Rogan Experience - August 06, 2014


Joe Rogan Experience #532 - Shooter Jennings

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In this episode of the podcast, I talk about the benefits of using kettlebells and how they can improve your athletic performance and overall well-being. I also talk about how to get started with them and how to make sure you don't hurt yourself in the process. This episode is brought to you by Onnit. Onnit is a human optimization website that makes your body work better, your mind work better and you improve your cognitive function. We sell a wide variety of tools and equipment that can help you get into shape and get into the best shape of your life. We have massive amounts of supplements, including the Hemp Force Protein Bar, which contains the finest quality hemp protein. It s got healthy fats, minerals, fibre, protein, vitamins and minerals, all pressed into one. It's got the perfect amount of stuff to get you in shape that's got you in the perfect shape that you want to be in for the rest of your day to day life. Onnit has everything you need to be the best version of yourself, and we're here to help you do it. Use code ROGANANFANAN to get 10% off. It's the word OGANANAN and it's got 10% less fat, less carbs, more fiber, more protein, more vitamins, more minerals, more fibre, and more vitamins and fibre. This is a must listen! I hope you enjoy this episode and you enjoy it! XOXOXOXO -ROGAN -ROBERT CRUISE - R.O.A. R.N.I.T.T -R.P.E.T-R.S.T -A.M.E-A.C.EZ.I-S. -B.S -S.MAYO-E.E -P.S.. -Kettlebells -C.B. B.J.E .S.SZYZYV -M.V.R.A -D.VYVYS.E -J.P -LZYS-C. -PODCAST -E.SORCHEZ -F. I.SVYZ , -I.O-M. , B.S., S.BORR.I -TAYLOR R.S .

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00:00:05.000 Hello, free people of the world.
00:00:08.000 This episode of the podcast is brought to you by Onnit.com.
00:00:13.000 That's O-N-N-I-T. Onnit is a human optimization website.
00:00:18.000 What that means is that we sell you Or we sell.
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00:00:49.000 But our goal is just to provide you with all the different shit that we use.
00:00:54.000 All the different things that I use as far as strength and conditioning equipment, like kettlebells, things that can improve athletic performance, steel maces and steel clubs. 0.92
00:01:04.000 All these different things are all, again, explained far better at Onnit.com.
00:01:09.000 If you're a person who doesn't exercise and you've never tried anything like this before, I cannot stress enough to take it lightly.
00:01:15.000 Start slow.
00:01:17.000 Hire a trainer if you can afford one.
00:01:20.000 You don't need to do every workout with a trainer.
00:01:23.000 Just have somebody show you the correct motions, the correct way, the correct form to do various physical exercises so that you don't hurt yourself.
00:01:31.000 Because the whole goal of exercise, obviously, is to improve the way your body works. 0.96
00:01:35.000 And if you break it along the way, that shit ain't improving nothing. 0.95
00:01:39.000 That said, we sell a wide variety of weights of kettlebells. 0.97
00:01:44.000 We sell packages from beginner kettlebell packages, which have three different weight sizes, 20 kilograms, 16 kilograms, and 12 kilograms, which are, what is 20?
00:01:57.000 No, 50 pounds?
00:01:57.000 Was that 35 pounds?
00:01:59.000 2.2.
00:02:01.000 46 pounds?
00:02:03.000 I don't know why we're doing kilograms.
00:02:03.000 Yeah.
00:02:05.000 This is something because they were created in Russia. 0.66
00:02:07.000 What kettlebells are is an ancient Russian method of lifting weights.
00:02:12.000 It's like a cannonball with a handle on it and using momentum and swinging these things.
00:02:16.000 The goal of the kettlebell is to strengthen the entire body as one individual unit.
00:02:22.000 Like a lot of times when you see people lifting weights, they do things like if you go to the standard gym setup, A lot of times people are doing what you call isolation exercises, like curls or things along those lines, tricep extensions that are really just working one body muscle group.
00:02:40.000 And the idea behind something like kettlebells is to work the entire body as one individual thing.
00:02:46.000 So it strengthens the body all as one unit and also enhances athletic performance because of that.
00:02:51.000 Because if you just develop strong biceps, like you're only working your bicep, you're not working your legs and your back at the same time, You're kind of doing yourself a disservice because you're going to create an imbalance.
00:03:01.000 It's not natural to just have really strong biceps for no reason.
00:03:05.000 It looks sexy. 0.99
00:03:06.000 You want to have some fucking guns for the beach, kid? 1.00
00:03:09.000 But you're going to get hurt. 1.00
00:03:11.000 But we carry all the way up to very heavy kettlebells.
00:03:15.000 We just started getting some really big ones in.
00:03:18.000 We have the strongman kettlebells that just came in, which I think go up to 48 kilograms. 0.99
00:03:25.000 What the fuck is that? 0.98
00:03:26.000 That's over 100 pounds. 0.99
00:03:27.000 It's a grass right around 100. Yeah.
00:03:29.000 It's a lot of weight, bitch. 1.00
00:03:30.000 It's too much for you. 1.00
00:03:31.000 Start slow.
00:03:32.000 Work out.
00:03:33.000 Just do it smart, please.
00:03:35.000 Whatever you do. 0.98
00:03:36.000 I hate hearing people, I started kettlebells because you're sad and I fucking tore my shoulder apart. 0.99
00:03:41.000 Don't do that. 0.99
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00:03:59.000 The Extreme Kettlebell Cardio Workout DVD by a man named Keith Weber.
00:04:03.000 Keith will be here in October.
00:04:05.000 We're working out the dates right now.
00:04:06.000 I'm very psyched to sit down and talk to him.
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00:10:38.000 Shooter Jennings, first of all, thanks for doing this, man.
00:10:40.000 I really appreciate it.
00:10:41.000 Yeah, thank you. 0.98
00:10:41.000 It's cool as fuck. 0.98
00:10:42.000 It's cool as fuck having you in here. 0.99
00:10:43.000 I love hearing about a guy online listening to the music and go, oh shit, I got a new guy I'm into. 0.99
00:10:52.000 Right on, man. 1.00
00:10:52.000 So I've been tweeting about your shit over the last couple of months. 1.00
00:10:57.000 I'm a huge fan. 0.99
00:10:58.000 I love all of the...
00:10:59.000 Did you say hero fan?
00:11:00.000 Is that what you call it?
00:11:01.000 Hero fan?
00:11:01.000 Hero fan, yeah.
00:11:02.000 I love that stuff.
00:11:04.000 Thank you, man.
00:11:05.000 I love that Southern Comfort song.
00:11:07.000 It's one of my favorites, man.
00:11:08.000 I listen to that one all the time.
00:11:08.000 Yeah, you were in the airport or something tweeting about that.
00:11:11.000 See, the house I grew up in was named Southern Comfort.
00:11:11.000 Dude.
00:11:14.000 Real quick, while we're on the Audible thing, by the way, I just want to say I'm a huge audiobook fan.
00:11:19.000 I will tell you a hilariously awesome and creepy experience.
00:11:23.000 I highly recommend it if anyone has like an hour.
00:11:26.000 And they're your buddy's thing.
00:11:27.000 They've listened to that book.
00:11:29.000 Get Dianetics, the audio book.
00:11:31.000 I'm serious, man.
00:11:32.000 It's so creepy. 1.00
00:11:34.000 It's like being in a fucking Philip K. Dick movie. 1.00
00:11:36.000 It's like being in Total Recall or something. 1.00
00:11:38.000 Really?
00:11:39.000 Oh, man.
00:11:39.000 The way the guy who reads it, the whole thing, the whole package is so cool, man.
00:11:44.000 You're like, oh, the read-the-book commercials. 1.00
00:11:47.000 My whole life, I had always heard that shit. 0.99
00:11:49.000 And I was like, I'm going to get the audiobook of Dianetics. 1.00
00:11:51.000 I bet that shit's whack. 1.00
00:11:52.000 Highly recommended. 1.00
00:11:52.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:11:54.000 Just for wackiness?
00:11:55.000 For wackiness, but by the end of it, you're like, hmm. 0.99
00:11:58.000 That's what's fucked up about it. 0.96
00:12:00.000 It's like the concept of what... 0.90
00:12:02.000 Because I guess Dianetics, like... 0.94
00:12:06.000 I'm kind of obsessed with Scientology because it's so fucking retarded in one way, in one sense to me, but in the other sense, because it's so serious and all the craziness you hear about. 1.00
00:12:16.000 So I've really looked into it, L. Ron Hubbard. 0.94
00:12:19.000 Do you know about Excalibur?
00:12:20.000 Do you know about that?
00:12:21.000 What is Excalibur?
00:12:22.000 Okay.
00:12:23.000 He wrote a book called Excalibur.
00:12:26.000 Supposedly, the big rumor is...
00:12:27.000 This book, it was like the foreshadowing for Scientology, and that he tried to get it published, and three or four people that read it committed suicide, so he locked it in a vault, and there's a copy of it, and no one ever knows where that is,
00:12:43.000 but that was where Scientology was born from.
00:12:45.000 So I'm so fascinated by it.
00:12:47.000 So Dianetics was his new book that he wrote.
00:12:50.000 He's like, wait, I've got it figured out.
00:12:52.000 It's more like this.
00:12:55.000 So Dianetics was kind of like the way of introducing what was in the Excalibur book to the mass population.
00:13:01.000 It's pretty fascinating.
00:13:03.000 That sounds like one of those in the mouth of madness type things.
00:13:07.000 Like the John Carpenter book where people...
00:13:07.000 Totally.
00:13:08.000 Love that.
00:13:09.000 The movie where the guy wrote a book and a bunch of people were killing themselves and going crazy and murdering people.
00:13:15.000 Sam Neill?
00:13:16.000 Yes.
00:13:16.000 Sam Neill was in it, right?
00:13:18.000 Yeah.
00:13:18.000 Yeah.
00:13:18.000 That was exactly...
00:13:19.000 That's what the whole rumor about it is.
00:13:21.000 And if you've seen The Master with Philip Seymour Hoffman when he played the L. Ron Hubbard guy, he had a book in that.
00:13:28.000 It was called The Sword or something.
00:13:31.000 Instead of Excalibur.
00:13:33.000 But supposedly he showed it to a bunch of people and they went crazy.
00:13:38.000 Apparently what the book is about, and I don't mean to derail our entire conversation in this direction.
00:13:43.000 Don't worry, there's no derailing.
00:13:44.000 It's just a conversation. 1.00
00:13:45.000 This is the kind of shit I like to talk about. 1.00
00:13:48.000 Me too, man. 1.00
00:13:49.000 Supposedly what the whole concept was...
00:13:53.000 It was about the mob mentality and breaking that apart.
00:13:56.000 So that no matter what, everyone is really always alone, no matter if they're in a group.
00:14:02.000 But when they're in a group, they act a certain way that's different.
00:14:05.000 So there's a guy being hung.
00:14:09.000 There's a scene in it where there's a guy being hung and then there's the mob that wants him hung.
00:14:13.000 And it goes and analyzes the people in the mob and analyzes the executioner and analyzes the guy who's getting hung.
00:14:19.000 I don't know.
00:14:20.000 I'm very fascinated with that kind of... 0.99
00:14:24.000 And that's why the whole Scientology thing to me is so fascinating because I'm like, how do these people, they pay money to join this fucking club?
00:14:36.000 It's like, you know, it's real like AA and all that stuff in the sense that it's like, you know, your new friends and your old friends and they assign people to you and then eventually you kind of weed out all those other people. 0.51
00:14:46.000 But the whole concept of it is taking, the whole concept of Dianetics is taking, like when you're a little kid and a dog bites you and then for the rest of your life you're scared of dogs, like the whole concept behind Dianetics is that they can take the memory,
00:15:02.000 what they call a reactive memory, which is like the dog thing, And they can turn it into a regular memory so that you won't get rid of all of those kind of little things that fucked you up through life.
00:15:14.000 That's what the concept of clear is.
00:15:16.000 So that when those things become...
00:15:19.000 you're not reactive anymore.
00:15:20.000 So if you hate your dad...
00:15:22.000 And then for that reason, you react a certain way to people your whole life.
00:15:26.000 You can get that out of there so you'll never act uncalm, you know what I mean? 1.00
00:15:30.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:15:31.000 But then you have to pay them a lot of money to have an auditor to go through your life and figure all that shit out for you. 0.98
00:15:36.000 That's where they make all their cash. 0.99
00:15:38.000 Well, you give them a certain percentage of your income.
00:15:41.000 Right, right.
00:15:42.000 It's just like tithing, like tithing in a regular church.
00:15:44.000 I think you give them 10%, especially at the highest levels.
00:15:47.000 Really?
00:15:48.000 Yeah.
00:15:48.000 See, I didn't even know that.
00:15:49.000 Yeah.
00:15:50.000 Tithing is a big one.
00:15:51.000 That's a big one with religions. 0.99
00:15:52.000 That's the way they get you.
00:15:53.000 Well, I knew that with the other ones, but I didn't know that there was a tithing process.
00:15:59.000 I know that they do a lot of things.
00:16:00.000 I used to rehearse.
00:16:02.000 I've been living here 15 years, and my old band, we used to rehearse on Hollywood and Vine in this place, and there was a daycare next door.
00:16:09.000 And someone told us later...
00:16:11.000 A Hollywood and Vine?
00:16:12.000 Yeah, right.
00:16:12.000 That's crazy.
00:16:13.000 No shit, right? 0.99
00:16:14.000 It was like, do you remember? 0.99
00:16:14.000 Well, you know, it's right across the street from the L. Ron Hubbard exhibit and all that. 0.99
00:16:17.000 Like on Ivar, like on that side of it.
00:16:20.000 And somebody's like, yeah, that's a Scientology daycare.
00:16:23.000 They're like real hush-hush about it, but it's Scientology. 1.00
00:16:26.000 So, you know, a lot of that shit going down. 1.00
00:16:29.000 I'm probably going to get murdered tonight. 1.00
00:16:31.000 No, you'll be fine. 0.99
00:16:32.000 Scientology has become such a joke over the last few years.
00:16:36.000 If this was 20 years ago, you'd have an issue, but the internet has sort of exposed them in a way that's made them seem so preposterous.
00:16:43.000 Like, seriously preposterous.
00:16:45.000 Funny, though.
00:16:46.000 Well, they have that big psychiatry kills thing, too. 0.88
00:16:50.000 That big exhibit.
00:16:51.000 Is that on Sunset, too? 0.99
00:16:52.000 Or where the fuck is that? 0.99
00:16:53.000 Hey, is that what that is? 0.99
00:16:55.000 Yeah, that's exactly what that is.
00:16:56.000 Is it on Sunset or Hollywood?
00:16:59.000 I think it's on Hollywood.
00:17:00.000 Because there's a Mac store that I buy hard drives, and I saw that across the street.
00:17:03.000 I didn't know that was a...
00:17:04.000 That's Scientology.
00:17:06.000 Wow, I've got to go in there and check that out.
00:17:08.000 Yeah.
00:17:09.000 Because they don't believe in that and they don't believe in a lot of medicines.
00:17:11.000 But in certain ways, I kind of see their point in certain ways.
00:17:16.000 I've talked to psychologists before in my life.
00:17:19.000 I went to one for relationship counseling.
00:17:23.000 And of course, it becomes like they want to talk about you.
00:17:27.000 And I'm like, I'm the kind of guy who's like, whatever problems and issues I've had in my life, I work through them.
00:17:32.000 I've never...
00:17:35.000 I don't know.
00:17:36.000 I'm like an angry guy.
00:17:38.000 There's not shit I'm angry at from when I was little. 0.83
00:17:40.000 I've kind of dealt with all that, you know what I mean? 0.96
00:17:42.000 So sometimes when I see Scientology, like Tom Cruise being like, Screw all that stuff.
00:17:47.000 I'm like, yeah, Tom Cruise is like, that's cool, even though you're weird.
00:17:52.000 You invited him to your show yesterday to Mewer Records.
00:17:55.000 I know, I did.
00:17:56.000 I saw that online.
00:17:57.000 It's like, you too, come on down.
00:17:59.000 Come on down, Tom Cruise. 1.00
00:18:00.000 I want to talk to you about your fucking magic. 0.99
00:18:02.000 Yeah, I was like, Joe Rogan. 0.99
00:18:04.000 I was real serious about the other three.
00:18:06.000 You and Billy Ray Cyrus and Marilyn Manson.
00:18:08.000 It's like, come on down.
00:18:11.000 Like Tom Cruise.
00:18:12.000 That would have been odd if he showed up.
00:18:13.000 It would have been awesome.
00:18:14.000 And he had talked to you.
00:18:15.000 Stop being so glib.
00:18:16.000 Have you seen the guy...
00:18:18.000 And I'm supposed to not like this guy because he did diss my best friend and manager, which is not cool.
00:18:24.000 But besides that, previous to that, before it got sticky, there's a guy on Twitter named Not Tom Cruise.
00:18:30.000 Do you know this guy?
00:18:31.000 Dude, he's hilarious.
00:18:32.000 He just talks about how he's blowing rails with Britney Spears all day long and driving down. 0.99
00:18:37.000 He's just talking about being coked out of his face and how he's like Scientology rules and he's looking for bitches and hanging out with Travolta and doing rails and shit. 0.99
00:18:46.000 He keeps graduating. 0.99
00:18:47.000 He's like...
00:18:48.000 I think there's stance against psychiatry.
00:18:52.000 They've got some good points, but it's like all things.
00:18:57.000 Probably, it's not a complete black and white issue.
00:18:59.000 It's not like psychiatric drugs are all bad.
00:19:02.000 Or that antidepressants are all bad.
00:19:05.000 Because I personally know people that were close to suicide.
00:19:08.000 Yes.
00:19:09.000 I agree with that too.
00:19:09.000 Oh yeah, I agree.
00:19:11.000 I think that that stuff is good.
00:19:13.000 It can be good.
00:19:13.000 Can be.
00:19:14.000 But it can also be a crutch in that way.
00:19:16.000 And I think a lot of times...
00:19:17.000 Man, here's the thing.
00:19:19.000 I have one of my dearest friends, a guy who worked for me.
00:19:21.000 I'm not trying to be a downer with this.
00:19:22.000 But his brother...
00:19:23.000 This guy, Farron Miller, who actually co-wrote one of the songs on this George record.
00:19:26.000 And dude, I walked out of my house without my vinyls.
00:19:28.000 I have a stack of vinyls for you.
00:19:30.000 So this means we have to hang out.
00:19:32.000 Oh, we'll hang out, man.
00:19:33.000 I'd be happy to.
00:19:35.000 But Farron Miller co-wrote Living in a Minor Key, which is on the George record.
00:19:39.000 And Farron worked for me for nine years, still does, but he's in a band now and he's doing awesome.
00:19:45.000 His brother was on...
00:19:46.000 Those medicines and stopped cold turkey and killed himself.
00:19:53.000 Because it went just crazy.
00:19:54.000 You know what I mean?
00:19:55.000 So you have to really, really be responsible with those kind of drugs that change your mental...
00:20:02.000 And sometimes, like you said, sometimes it does wonders for people and it changes their life.
00:20:07.000 And then sometimes it can be really damaging.
00:20:09.000 So you have to be careful.
00:20:11.000 But at the same time, Scientology, they're like no drug stance.
00:20:15.000 I don't know.
00:20:16.000 Yeah, I don't think that's responsible either.
00:20:18.000 I think there's a reason why they've come up with a lot of these drugs, and some people have benefited tremendously.
00:20:22.000 There's people that just have natural chemical imbalances in their brain. 0.99
00:20:26.000 And the idea that someone who doesn't know how your brain works can say, you know, oh, you don't need it because I don't need it, or you don't need it because Mike doesn't need it, Tom Cruise doesn't need it, so, you know, John, fuck over here, he doesn't need it either. 0.99
00:20:40.000 That's crazy. 0.99
00:20:41.000 Some people...
00:20:49.000 I agree, I don't think they're all bad.
00:21:03.000 There's a lot of people that don't take care of themselves and then just they get depressed and just take a pill and then now they're better.
00:21:09.000 Well, maybe not.
00:21:11.000 Maybe you would have been better off if you started eating better and maybe stopped drinking as much and doing a little bit of exercise every now and then and probably you'd feel better.
00:21:19.000 Yeah.
00:21:19.000 It would help, you know.
00:21:21.000 And also the Scientology thing.
00:21:24.000 When you see a guy like Tom Cruise, who is undeniably wacky, but also undeniably successful, the guy is always positive, like he does these interviews, he's got a lot of great energy, and it's like, man, there's a benefit to that.
00:21:39.000 There's definitely something to that.
00:21:41.000 There's definitely something to that, especially when you get a guy who's in that much, I mean, that much power and has had that much success, you know, and has that much influence, like...
00:21:50.000 I mean, I know that they treat him like he's the L. Ron Hubbard Jr. or something, so I'm sure he's loving that side of it, but the reality is that For him to have stuck by it, there's got to be something too.
00:22:06.000 Like I said, the audiobook of Dianetics, as funny as that is, it is so fascinating because it explains why he's always in a fucking good mood all the time.
00:22:16.000 He's like, I'm really good at this clear thing.
00:22:19.000 He's really figured it out and he's really happy all the time.
00:22:23.000 You know, who knows?
00:22:24.000 He might be. 1.00
00:22:25.000 Or, you know, he might just shut the door when the day is done and fucking wail and scream and fucking fish all over the ground flopping around like a fucking animal. 1.00
00:22:37.000 I mean, no guys like that, right? 1.00
00:22:38.000 I have a couple friends where I'm like, somebody's getting beat somewhere on this guy because they're so nice. 0.97
00:22:43.000 You know somewhere he's going home fucking punching somebody's lights out. 0.96
00:22:47.000 Well, there's people that you can tell they're holding back. 0.99
00:22:50.000 And you can tell, yeah, okay, all right, fine. 0.98
00:22:52.000 And you can tell, as soon as this guy gets away, he's going to fucking do something crazy. 0.96
00:22:56.000 There's some people that are actually calm, and there's some people you can tell. 0.99
00:23:00.000 They're keeping it together, but there's a monster inside them just raging at the cage, just trying to fucking get out. 0.96
00:23:07.000 Yeah, that's uncomfortable. 0.97
00:23:10.000 If you try to explain to someone, you're like, well, listen...
00:23:13.000 Everything he said was good.
00:23:14.000 He used all the right words. 1.00
00:23:17.000 But I knew this motherfucker was hating it inside. 1.00
00:23:21.000 And they'd be like, oh, that's just your perception, sir. 1.00
00:23:24.000 I mean, you can't prove that.
00:23:25.000 No, you can't.
00:23:26.000 But everybody knows that one dude that's like that.
00:23:29.000 Yeah, of course, man.
00:23:31.000 It's like, yeah, it's so funny.
00:23:33.000 It's true, though. 0.82
00:23:33.000 My next door neighbor in my old house was a Scientologist. 0.82
00:23:36.000 He's a nice guy.
00:23:38.000 Super nice guy.
00:23:39.000 Why be a Scientologist when you're just some guy?
00:23:41.000 Like, that's what I want to know.
00:23:42.000 Because they worship actors and they worship that.
00:23:45.000 So why...
00:23:46.000 I think they worship the actors and they worship artists because that influences others to become Scientologists.
00:23:53.000 I think that's the strategy.
00:23:55.000 Yes, right.
00:23:56.000 I mean, yeah.
00:23:57.000 And they kind of deify...
00:24:00.000 Like, anyone who does any kind of art as kind of a superior being.
00:24:04.000 Well, in a way, like, listen, okay, I'm a Shooter Jennings fan.
00:24:07.000 If I found out that Shooter Jennings is really into Scientology, I'd go, oh, well, that guy's cool, man. 0.99
00:24:13.000 What the fuck is up with this? 0.98
00:24:14.000 And then you start reading into it, and you go, oh, I see. 0.99
00:24:18.000 So it keeps him positive.
00:24:19.000 And that keeps him putting out badass music.
00:24:22.000 Oh, okay. 0.97
00:24:23.000 Okay, maybe I'll fucking try this. 0.99
00:24:25.000 And that's all you need. 0.99
00:24:26.000 Like, Scientology, man. 1.00
00:24:27.000 Look, Tom Cruise is a bad motherfucker, okay? 1.00
00:24:29.000 Tom Cruise doesn't take any drugs. 1.00
00:24:31.000 Tom Cruise drinks water every day.
00:24:32.000 Tom Cruise runs marathons. 1.00
00:24:34.000 Tom Cruise is a fucking beast. 1.00
00:24:35.000 I want to be like Tom Cruise. 1.00
00:24:37.000 And next thing you know, you're fucking holding on to these Campbell's soup cans that are attached with little wires, and they're ordering you. 0.97
00:24:43.000 Have you ever done that? 0.98
00:24:44.000 No.
00:24:44.000 I did it.
00:24:45.000 Yeah, I did it.
00:24:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:24:46.000 Really?
00:24:47.000 I'll do it with you.
00:24:48.000 I would love to do it.
00:24:49.000 I'll do it in a heartbeat.
00:24:51.000 I don't know if they would take me in now.
00:24:54.000 I mean, you have to have someone who doesn't know who you are.
00:24:57.000 I definitely found a dude who didn't know who I am.
00:24:57.000 Right, right.
00:25:00.000 The guy was in his late 50s.
00:25:01.000 Did you just walk in?
00:25:02.000 It was in San Diego.
00:25:05.000 I was down there filming for this TV show that I was doing on CBS called Game Show in My Head, where we put these...
00:25:13.000 Little earpieces in someone so I could talk to them, and then I gave them tasks that they had to go do.
00:25:18.000 They had to sell water to people that came out of a hose. 0.99
00:25:21.000 They had to do a bunch of wacky shit. 0.99
00:25:22.000 They had to play a fake news reporter and convince people to tell them they had been abducted by aliens and all this different wacky shit. 0.99
00:25:32.000 But while we were there, we were filming, they had this dynetics set up, because it was in this outside public place where a lot of foot traffic was. 0.68
00:25:39.000 So they had the Dianetics set up and they had their e-meter or whatever they called it.
00:25:43.000 And it's like two cans.
00:25:43.000 Is that what they call it?
00:25:45.000 It looks like two things that look like a Campbell's soup can that you took the wrapper off.
00:25:50.000 And it's connected with these strings.
00:25:53.000 Literally.
00:25:54.000 It's a Campbell's soup can with the yarn.
00:25:56.000 Yeah.
00:25:57.000 Just hold on to this.
00:25:59.000 So I did it, and the guy wasn't very compelling.
00:26:02.000 He wasn't that good at it.
00:26:03.000 But I got to ask him all sorts of questions and read into it, and he gave me some brochures or something like that.
00:26:09.000 Tried to get me to go down there. 0.76
00:26:11.000 When he did the auditing, though, I'm sure because they're trying to convince someone to come back that they're not going to start delving into real personal shit, but I'm sure like, what do you do? 0.84
00:26:22.000 I don't remember because it was very unremarkable. 0.88
00:26:22.000 What kind of questions do they ask? 0.88
00:26:25.000 I remember I was baked, which is part of the problem.
00:26:29.000 Which is why I was willing to do it in the first place, because otherwise I would have probably just hovered and watched other people do it.
00:26:35.000 But, you know, it was dumb questions, like dumb questions about your childhood, are you happy with your career, are you happy in your relationship, and they just get a reading on you, allegedly, from this non-scientific measuring instrument. 0.77
00:26:50.000 It's just so wacky. 0.97
00:26:51.000 That's so wacky. 0.98
00:26:52.000 I see we could spend the whole thing talking about this because it's one of those things where there's a bunch of people in on a joke, and you're just wanting someone to say, okay, we're just fucking with you. 0.95
00:27:03.000 It's fine, but no one does. 0.66
00:27:05.000 You know what I mean?
00:27:06.000 Well, those belief systems, the thing about having those belief systems is that they're very empowering for people who believe in them. 0.96
00:27:12.000 Like, if you look at it and go, wait a minute, wait a minute, fucking planet Xenu, really? 1.00
00:27:18.000 Yeah, see, that shit's insane. 0.99
00:27:20.000 Like, I'm reading about this, after you brought up Excalibur, what you were talking about, and I pulled up that website that mocked Scientology, Xenu.net. 0.99
00:27:29.000 Oh, I've never been there, but this is not going to be my favorite site, probably.
00:27:31.000 They have everything.
00:27:32.000 They have the entire...
00:27:35.000 Scientology, like, everything about what they believe.
00:27:39.000 All of them.
00:27:39.000 Like the Operating Thetans manual?
00:27:40.000 I grabbed that off WikiLeaks and was, like, looking at that.
00:27:43.000 The Operating Thetans manual, like, level three, which is apparently where, I guess, Tom Cruise is, like, four or five or six or something, but he was three a couple years.
00:27:54.000 Like, they have different manuals, you know, so.
00:27:56.000 He was three a couple years ago, and now he's four, five, or six?
00:27:58.000 I don't know where he's at.
00:27:59.000 I haven't been keeping up with his level, what rank he's at, but I know he's ranked up, because they've given him...
00:28:04.000 They made up some new award for him.
00:28:07.000 Did you ever see that video that leaked?
00:28:09.000 Where he's using all this stuff?
00:28:09.000 Yes.
00:28:10.000 That was like, they made up this thing they'd never had before.
00:28:13.000 It was like Guardian of the Galaxy Award, you know?
00:28:16.000 And they gave it to him, and he was like... 0.97
00:28:18.000 He's like saying all that shit that made no sense and using all their words and stuff, you know, and that leaked to the internet and people putting music to it and shit. 0.96
00:28:25.000 It's gorgeous. 0.99
00:28:26.000 Yeah, it's so good, man.
00:28:27.000 It's a work of art.
00:28:28.000 It is, it is, man. 0.97
00:28:29.000 I mean, it is almost like something that you'd see from some artist who's doing some fucking piece, you know, where he's going to... 0.92
00:28:37.000 Oh man, that'd be so brilliant if he just all of a sudden flipped and told everybody everything. 0.94
00:28:42.000 Yeah, I've been just...
00:28:43.000 Listen, it helps my acting.
00:28:44.000 If I could pretend to really be into Scientology...
00:28:47.000 For this long. 0.96
00:28:47.000 It's like the Dumb and Dumber movie. 0.96
00:28:48.000 The new one coming out.
00:28:49.000 Have you seen the preview for it?
00:28:50.000 No, no, I haven't.
00:28:51.000 Oh my god, it's genius.
00:28:52.000 But there's like a whole thing where Jim Carrey's character...
00:28:57.000 Is in an insane asylum over that chick, the Mary Samsonite, as they call her from the first one.
00:29:03.000 And then it turns out he was joking for 20 years.
00:29:07.000 And yet Lloyd, he's like, Lloyd, you mean to tell me that you've been faking for 20 years all for a gag?
00:29:14.000 And he's like, yep.
00:29:16.000 It would be amazing if he did that.
00:29:18.000 That's the only way a good politician would work.
00:29:20.000 The only way that you could have a president in this country that was actually going to care about the people is they'd have to lie their way from the beginning to the moment they get in office and they didn't have to flip.
00:29:30.000 You'd have to also have a cabinet that was in on the lie.
00:29:34.000 You'd have to have everybody with you that was working with you. 0.99
00:29:37.000 Like, okay, we're just fucking around. 0.95
00:29:38.000 We're going to get in there and we're going to just change everything. 0.98
00:29:42.000 You'd never be able to get it.
00:29:43.000 You'd never be able to trust another person.
00:29:44.000 Yeah.
00:29:45.000 I think the system is so far rigged, though, that it doesn't matter.
00:29:50.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:29:50.000 Obviously.
00:29:51.000 Because it's the same people are just running it.
00:29:54.000 I mean, it's like whoever's... 0.99
00:29:57.000 When Windows 95 had the fucking Start Me Up and the Rolling Stones, and now whatever their commercials are, now it's the same fucking company. 0.95
00:30:05.000 It just looks different and everything. 0.98
00:30:07.000 Right.
00:30:08.000 Yeah, I think it's silly when people... 0.86
00:30:11.000 I think voting is silly.
00:30:13.000 This is my whole thing with that. 1.00
00:30:15.000 Because it's like, what is the fucking difference? 0.98
00:30:17.000 First of all, people who are like... 0.98
00:30:20.000 I may be going against a lot of people's opinions of this, but people who are so gung-ho on these certain politicians and lobbying for this person, and they're so excited that Obama's going to fucking change everything.
00:30:33.000 I mean, yeah, it's awesome. 0.94
00:30:35.000 Our first black president, that's awesome.
00:30:36.000 But otherwise, like... 1.00
00:30:38.000 It's the same fucking game. 1.00
00:30:40.000 Same shit over and over. 1.00
00:30:41.000 So I look at people who are really gung-ho about one guy. 1.00
00:30:44.000 I'm like, are you fucking crazy? 1.00
00:30:47.000 You're buying this? 1.00
00:30:49.000 Nobody's bought anything for so long.
00:30:52.000 Bill Clinton goes on Arsenio Hall.
00:30:55.000 Have you watched that 90s thing that has been on National Geographic recently?
00:31:00.000 No.
00:31:00.000 There's a series called The 90s and it's like six hours, the whole thing.
00:31:04.000 And I sat and watched it one day. 0.95
00:31:06.000 And it's awesome, but it really reminds you how much shit you weren't paying attention to in the 90s and how rigged it all was. 0.97
00:31:14.000 Like, everything. 0.94
00:31:15.000 Like, Osama Bin Laden was on, like...
00:31:18.000 They did an interview with him in like 98 or 96. When was OJ? 94?
00:31:26.000 It was right around there.
00:31:26.000 Yeah.
00:31:27.000 Somewhere around there, right?
00:31:28.000 94?
00:31:29.000 If it was OJ, I don't remember if it was OJ or Monica Lewinsky, but one of those things was going on at the moment.
00:31:34.000 And 400,000 people watched this interview with Osama Bin Laden.
00:31:38.000 He's like... 0.99
00:31:39.000 He says on the interview, he's like, we're going to fuck you and you're going to watch it on TV and you're going to be crying when it happens. 0.99
00:31:46.000 And like 400 people watched it and nobody cared. 0.98
00:31:48.000 And like at the exact moment they were airing it is when like Monica Lewinsky or OJ was like in the prime and everyone's like looking over here while like this guy over here. 0.99
00:31:57.000 And Osama's just as fucking bullshitty as fucking the president's and everything. 0.99
00:32:01.000 Like, yeah, right. 1.00
00:32:02.000 Like, Osama did not fly that plane. 0.99
00:32:04.000 I mean, there are some people that did that shit, and there are people involved, and we will never know the truth about any of it. 0.99
00:32:10.000 So, I mean, no matter how hard we dig, you know what I mean? 0.99
00:32:13.000 So, it's like, to me, it all seems so silly when people get so riled up.
00:32:17.000 Like, they have to believe something.
00:32:19.000 It's like Satanism.
00:32:20.000 You have to believe in God to be a Satanist? 1.00
00:32:21.000 That seems so stupid to me. 1.00
00:32:23.000 Like, you have to be Christian... 1.00
00:32:25.000 If you want to be in this Church of Satan, you have to be a Christian first. 1.00
00:32:28.000 Because then you have to believe that whole thing to believe that there is a Satan to join the Church of Satan. 0.99
00:32:33.000 That's so silly. 0.96
00:32:33.000 Is that true? 0.96
00:32:34.000 I thought that Satanism really in its finest form was really just about hedonism.
00:32:40.000 Well, that's true.
00:32:42.000 Experiencing pleasure as much as possible.
00:32:44.000 But the concept of like...
00:32:45.000 See, I mean, there's like the Crowley Church and there's like the LeVay Church, which is what you're kind of talking about, which is just essentially like...
00:32:56.000 Like, do anything.
00:32:57.000 Hedonism.
00:32:58.000 Right.
00:32:58.000 Essentially, yes.
00:32:59.000 But, like, the writings and the teachings and the things where they reference Satan as, you know, and all those kind of, like, rituals and shit are silly because it's like you've got to be in the frame of reference of Christianity and the Bible and all that.
00:33:11.000 You know what I mean? 0.83
00:33:12.000 Yeah.
00:33:12.000 If it was really scary, it'd be something you've never heard of and some creature you've never heard of and you're like, be terrified.
00:33:18.000 You know, it's not the same bad guy from the Bible.
00:33:21.000 We're just going to make it into a thing, you know? 0.91
00:33:23.000 That's why it all seems so silly. 0.62
00:33:25.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:33:25.000 You gotta believe in magic and fairy tales and shit to make it all happen. 0.99
00:33:28.000 Well, you kinda do have to believe in magic and fairy tales if you believe a guy like Obama's gonna fix the country. 0.98
00:33:33.000 Yes, that's what I'm saying.
00:33:35.000 The system is so beyond rigged.
00:33:37.000 And it's so transparently rigged.
00:33:39.000 Yes.
00:33:40.000 To fix the system, you have to end banking, you have to end the Federal Reserve, you have to get the corporations out of control of the media and everything.
00:33:47.000 End representative government.
00:33:49.000 Yes.
00:33:49.000 You'd have to end the influence of representative government by special interest groups and lobbyists.
00:33:53.000 Yes.
00:33:54.000 You'd have to completely revamp.
00:33:56.000 It's a system that's just completely broken.
00:33:56.000 Everything.
00:34:01.000 There's nothing working about it.
00:34:01.000 Yes.
00:34:03.000 There's so many fucked up pieces of it that as it trickles down from the top to the bottom, it's just... 0.98
00:34:11.000 You know how when water... 0.93
00:34:13.000 Water goes through, when you see springs, like natural springs that come out, that water's going through all this rock and all this ground, and in doing so, it filters everything out, so the water comes out really pure and delicious to drink.
00:34:27.000 But it could start out really fucked up, and then it all gets...
00:34:32.000 Well, the opposite is true with politics.
00:34:34.000 You could have a great idea, and you could have someone who has great intentions, but by the time they get through the filter of, Corporations and special interest groups and lobbyists and this and that.
00:34:48.000 It comes out empty.
00:34:51.000 There's nothing left.
00:34:52.000 It's always going to do that because they want it to be that way. 0.99
00:34:55.000 To me, like you said, it's so fucked up and it really is. 0.98
00:34:59.000 It's really because of that... 0.99
00:35:01.000 That, you know, the 99%ers, 1%ers thing. 1.00
00:35:05.000 I mean, because you just have these, you just, the corporations have too much control, and they're, like, the net neutrality thing, they're trying to cut that out, and that's like, they're literally giving all the power to, like, these, you know, Viacom and shit like that.
00:35:19.000 Not only that, Viacom is a, any time you look at a corporation as an individual, which is what they keep trying to do, they're doing that as far as their Ability to donate to political campaigns.
00:35:31.000 They're doing it as far as their responsibilities.
00:35:35.000 They're trying to look at corporations as if these entities should be given rights like an individual, given rights like a human being.
00:35:44.000 But that's crazy, because in doing so, what you're also doing when you have a corporation is you dissolve the responsibility of each individual for the actions of the group.
00:35:55.000 If you're going to give corporations the responsibilities, or if you're going to give corporations the rights of an individual, you should also be able to charge every individual in the corporation as if they were guilty for anything that the corporation is in trouble for.
00:35:55.000 Right.
00:36:09.000 And if you did that, then it would change the actions entirely of the corporation. 0.66
00:36:14.000 Because right now, say if you're part of a corporation, this corporation likes to go to Guatemala, And build cell phones and in the meantime you fucking shoot rabbits and fucking poison the wells and you know who knows what kind of horrible anti-human shit they're doing in these third world countries and pollution and genocide and there's a group of people that doesn't want them to clear cut so they fucking gun these people down and you find out about it all later and Everyone involved in the corporation should be responsible for
00:36:44.000 it, and that's the only way you would ever stop any of that shit from going on. 0.99
00:36:48.000 If you looked at BP, perfect example, the oil spill in the Gulf, which just Fucked up so many people's lives. 0.98
00:36:59.000 I mean, there's so many people that don't have a voice.
00:37:01.000 You're not hearing from the fishermen. 0.99
00:37:03.000 You're not hearing from the people that had to clean that shit up. 0.97
00:37:06.000 You're not hearing from the people that lived in the towns close to the water that got really sick because of the dispersants. 0.98
00:37:11.000 There's so many individuals. 0.98
00:37:13.000 If everyone in BP was prosecuted as fully responsible for the actions of BP, I mean, man, shit could get crazy. 0.96
00:37:21.000 Like literally every single executive, every single work, everybody that's a part of a corporation, they got razors. 0.94
00:37:28.000 Well, it's subsidized.
00:37:29.000 That's what's even crazier.
00:37:30.000 Oil is subsidized. 0.98
00:37:32.000 The amount of fuckery that's involved when you get heavy-duty money involved in It's madness. 0.99
00:37:50.000 It's madness. 0.98
00:37:50.000 I don't know what the solution is, but... 0.98
00:37:54.000 Until you figure out a way to not have these big groups of people that have this diffusion of responsibility. 0.96
00:38:04.000 Because if you're, you know, Shooter Jennings is a part of BP, and BP does something fucked up, and you're like, man, that's fucked up. 0.98
00:38:10.000 I can't believe my company did that. 0.98
00:38:12.000 But, oh well, I got a raise.
00:38:14.000 I didn't do anything.
00:38:15.000 You can sleep tight knowing that you didn't do anything personally.
00:38:18.000 But you're a part of a machine that did something really good.
00:38:21.000 If I was held accountable for that, I'd be so pissed.
00:38:25.000 It'd be beyond that.
00:38:27.000 Exactly.
00:38:28.000 That's a fascinating point.
00:38:32.000 All these companies, the courts are in the favor of the corporations, usually.
00:38:37.000 I can't believe...
00:38:39.000 Three companies own 80% of all television or something? 0.95
00:38:43.000 Something ridiculous like that, yeah.
00:38:44.000 And in the 80s, it was like 60 companies. 0.77
00:38:48.000 And now it's three. 1.00
00:38:49.000 And you just look at the way that the world is, the way that we react to the media, the way we react to this shit. 1.00
00:38:58.000 I don't know. 1.00
00:38:59.000 It's amazing.
00:39:00.000 It did feel like when we were younger, when things like the BP oil spill happened and stuff.
00:39:05.000 I think if that happened now, that we wouldn't hear about it.
00:39:08.000 What do you mean?
00:39:09.000 The BP oil spill?
00:39:10.000 It just happened.
00:39:12.000 How long ago did that happen?
00:39:13.000 BP was just a couple years ago.
00:39:15.000 That was like 10 years ago.
00:39:16.000 No.
00:39:18.000 Yeah, it was four years ago.
00:39:19.000 It was? 1.00
00:39:20.000 Fuck, never mind. 1.00
00:39:20.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:39:21.000 I don't know what I'm talking about.
00:39:23.000 The big one was the Exxon Valdez.
00:39:26.000 That happened in 1988, right?
00:39:28.000 That was a big one.
00:39:28.000 That was the first one we heard about.
00:39:29.000 That was a big one. 0.99
00:39:29.000 Which is, by the way, that area is still fucked. 0.99
00:39:32.000 Of course it is. 0.98
00:39:33.000 1988, and they killed off a massive amount of salmon and the fisheries.
00:39:37.000 Godzilla's about to come out of there, man. 0.80
00:39:40.000 Yeah, but then there's people like you and I that drive cars and need gas, and you buy an iPhone, and how's it going to fucking get to the Apple Store? 0.99
00:39:48.000 Someone's got to put that bitch in a truck and just got to drive it over there. 1.00
00:39:51.000 There's no other way. 0.99
00:39:53.000 The whole system has just been set up without a whole lot of foresight.
00:39:58.000 It was set up to deal with...
00:40:01.000 What's available right now?
00:40:03.000 And no one sort of saw the future of how things are going to get ugly and where it could become problems.
00:40:09.000 How fast.
00:40:10.000 How much carbon can you get into the air until it starts fucking with the weather.
00:40:14.000 It's just so much.
00:40:16.000 And then there's so much momentum also.
00:40:20.000 The thing about politics and the thing about the influence of corporations and special interest groups is that It's sort of been this way for so long that to come in now and try...
00:40:31.000 It's almost like there's a train running through your neighborhood.
00:40:36.000 And it's just a train.
00:40:37.000 We've got to stop this train.
00:40:39.000 Do you grab it?
00:40:40.000 Do you hold on to it?
00:40:42.000 What we need to do is put some stuff on the track.
00:40:44.000 Let's just run over that stuff. 0.96
00:40:45.000 Well, how the fuck do you stop the train? 0.98
00:40:46.000 Well, you've got to grab the back and put a lot of weight on it. 0.98
00:40:49.000 Is that going to work?
00:40:49.000 No.
00:40:50.000 Well, all the things that we're doing to try to...
00:40:54.000 To reform politics, like from an individual point of view, whether it's complaining about it online or writing blogs or doing this and that.
00:41:00.000 It's akin to trying to grab a hold of the back of the train and dig your heels in.
00:41:05.000 Absolutely, yeah.
00:41:06.000 I mean, yes, I agree.
00:41:07.000 The only way to deal with it is move.
00:41:09.000 To where, though?
00:41:10.000 I don't know.
00:41:11.000 Iceland or somewhere?
00:41:11.000 I don't know.
00:41:12.000 I don't mean like moving to the USA. I mean, in a metaphor, I mean, kind of like...
00:41:17.000 Like, don't you feel like...
00:41:18.000 I mean, I feel like the only... 0.92
00:41:20.000 Out of the people that I've kind of read and researched that are kind of like this anti-establishment shit, it seems to be... 0.97
00:41:27.000 That if they tell you, you know, you've got to do this now. 0.98
00:41:31.000 You've got to wear a blue shirt every day.
00:41:32.000 The only way to fight any of it is just by not doing it.
00:41:36.000 You know what I mean?
00:41:37.000 Like, just whatever.
00:41:38.000 But at this point in time, they've convinced this entire country and they've convinced the entire world that this is how things work and you have to go along with it.
00:41:48.000 Like jobs.
00:41:49.000 And, you know, they like the fact that everyone is freaking out about money all the time.
00:41:54.000 They...
00:41:54.000 They squeeze the middle and lower class out of that, you know, so that they're freaked out all the time, that both parents are having to work all the time, that the kids are in shitty daycares where the education is terrible, and it's like that's how they keep that in control,
00:42:10.000 you know what I mean?
00:42:10.000 But most people just walk through life and accept that and just say that's the way it is.
00:42:15.000 And, you know, it's very few people that actually stand up and try and Figure something else out, but there's not really a solution, especially that someone like me could give anyone.
00:42:24.000 But at the same time, I can sit back and look at it and comment on it.
00:42:29.000 With the Black Ribbons record, that was my getting.
00:42:34.000 It was right when the economy fell in 2009, at the very beginning.
00:42:44.000 George Bush was missing and Obama was looking real glorious at the time but nobody was doing anything about the collapse of the economy and then the bank bailouts were happening and it was just like man this is insane it was like the scariest little point of time you know and and that's kind of where that album came out of and and for me it was really my comment on the whole thing and by having Stephen King be the DJ and do all that shit like Like what his character was really what the record was about and it was kind of like keeping hope and
00:43:14.000 you know small communities and family and you know those kind of like friendships and things like that that level is the only way that people like unions you know were started because it was like people were like I can't take this shit we can't take this shit anymore and Like that connection,
00:43:31.000 that level, that's where you can grab the train and you can, you know, with enough people. 0.58
00:43:36.000 It's like that Occupy thing, man.
00:43:37.000 When I was in New York living at the time when the Occupy Wall Street thing happened and my daughter was going to a school in the financial district.
00:43:45.000 So like when I drop her off at school and me and my buddy would walk over to the To the Occupy Wall Street, just hang out in the middle of the whole thing, you know? 0.99
00:43:53.000 And it got a bad rap, and it had all these different things, but those motherfuckers were standing up to the man, and the man was, like, fucking shooting the beanbags at him and shit, and, you know, it was really crazy. 0.99
00:44:03.000 Like, they had books, and the cops were burning the books and shit. 0.99
00:44:07.000 It was like some scene out of, like, Nazi Germany when we walked over. 0.95
00:44:10.000 There was pouring rain, there were people in the trees. 0.99
00:44:13.000 Like, every 10 or 20 minutes, like, a whole bunch of cops with those fucking... 0.99
00:44:17.000 Guard things would run through the fucking place and knock some guy over. 0.99
00:44:20.000 Oh, those shields? 0.99
00:44:21.000 Yeah, the big shields, you know?
00:44:22.000 Riot shields? 1.00
00:44:23.000 Yeah, like, riot shit. 1.00
00:44:24.000 Like, there are cops running riot... 1.00
00:44:25.000 But, uh, uh, we're...
00:44:29.000 Greatest scene.
00:44:29.000 I think someone filmed it and I was there for it.
00:44:32.000 I'm sitting in the middle of that thing, that encampment, the Occupy Wall Street thing with my friend Lincoln and we turn around, man, and this fucking cop comes running with that fucking shield and just slips because it's raining and he just eats shit and falls down, 1.00
00:44:47.000 man. 0.99
00:44:47.000 And it's like three or four of these fucking hippies are like, hey, you okay, man? 0.99
00:44:51.000 You know, even though the rest of them are like, Fuck you, pig! 1.00
00:44:54.000 It was pretty funny, man. 1.00
00:44:56.000 This motherfucker just bit, ate shit running into that thing, and everybody was just laughing about it. 1.00
00:45:02.000 All that Occupy stuff, to me, it signals that this possibility, like, it wasn't entirely successful. 0.99
00:45:09.000 It sort of awakened people to the idea of protesting, you know, that you could protest on a mass scale to get a lot of attention, and that people are willing to get involved, because a lot of people did get involved.
00:45:18.000 Yeah.
00:45:19.000 But what it also said to me is, if things got real squirrely, like, remember when we almost invaded Syria?
00:45:25.000 Yes.
00:45:26.000 You know, and then the response was so strong against it that you don't hear a peep about invading Syria.
00:45:32.000 I mean, when Obama came on television and gave that speech, it was almost like invading Syria is inevitable. 1.00
00:45:39.000 And everybody was like, fuck you, man. 1.00
00:45:41.000 Fuck you. 1.00
00:45:42.000 And then it stopped. 1.00
00:45:44.000 There was silence in the news.
00:45:46.000 Like, you literally don't hear a peep out of the government talking about the inevitable invasion of Syria.
00:45:51.000 It just doesn't exist anymore.
00:45:53.000 Because the right and the left...
00:45:55.000 Robert Blake kills his wife or something on television.
00:45:56.000 Everybody's like, ooh, look over here.
00:45:58.000 This thing's happening.
00:45:59.000 We forgot about it.
00:46:00.000 The right and the left were against it.
00:46:02.000 And if they had gone forward...
00:46:05.000 I think an action like that, and I think they're calculated in that response, that when you have a million people, like a Shah, saying...
00:46:15.000 One of the dictators, I forget which one it was, that was ousted.
00:46:20.000 Egypt?
00:46:21.000 No.
00:46:21.000 I forget which one it was.
00:46:23.000 It was a long time ago, but it was because he had said that if there was more than three people that were together, that were protesting together as a group, they would be shot on sight.
00:46:34.000 I forget which dictator it was.
00:46:36.000 And within two days, three million people were in front of his castle calling for his head. 1.00
00:46:42.000 And it was like, oh shit. 1.00
00:46:44.000 When you have a million people in the streets that are calling for your head, the gig is up. 1.00
00:46:50.000 The numbers when you deal with the President and the Secret Service and then the government and the military, the actual numbers of those people that you would need to protect against a mob of five million Americans that have had enough And then come with rifles and guns and just storm the gates.
00:47:12.000 Everyone worries.
00:47:13.000 People say, well, what do you do for the Second Amendment?
00:47:16.000 What do you need a gun for?
00:47:18.000 Why do you need a gun?
00:47:19.000 You don't need a gun.
00:47:21.000 That was written back when there was muskets.
00:47:23.000 Let me tell you something. 0.99
00:47:24.000 That's the dumbest thing ever. 1.00
00:47:26.000 If the shit hits the fan, if the shit hits the fan like that, and all of a sudden you've got three or four million people that are showing up on the White House lawn, and then they start storming en masse, and they literally call for the president's head and rip him apart on national television. 1.00
00:47:43.000 That's not outside the realm of possibility. 1.00
00:47:47.000 Given a few terrible decisions, a natural disaster, a nuclear bomb goes off somewhere in Chicago, The fucking shit hits the fan, and then next thing you know, there's a million people with guns. 1.00
00:47:59.000 Apple buys Jesus, you know? 1.00
00:48:00.000 Anything can happen.
00:48:02.000 Literally anything.
00:48:03.000 And that's what I got out of Occupy Wall Street. 0.98
00:48:05.000 I got out, like, this kind of dissent It's manifesting itself in this form right now where there's a bunch of people with fucking drum circles and they're saying enough is enough. 0.98
00:48:17.000 It was too hippy. 0.98
00:48:19.000 That was the one issue.
00:48:20.000 It was too like...
00:48:22.000 Kumbaya.
00:48:23.000 Yeah, it was.
00:48:24.000 I mean, even though it got rowdy there at the end, it wasn't enough.
00:48:28.000 You know what I mean?
00:48:29.000 That's what happens when liberals go protest. 1.00
00:48:33.000 And then there's when the right-wingers protest, they have a whole different ritual.
00:48:36.000 But I feel like when you look at all of that, like you said, it's the power of it, man. 0.99
00:48:42.000 I mean, the Edward Snowden shit, we get into that. 0.98
00:48:45.000 You could get into the power of... 0.99
00:48:48.000 Remember that everyone was like, ooh, the cloud!
00:48:50.000 The cloud is so fucking cool, that's going to do everything! 1.00
00:48:53.000 And then Snowden comes out and they're like, shit, we don't want our shit on the cloud! 0.99
00:48:57.000 They start changing, rebranding the concept of the word, the cloud. 0.99
00:49:01.000 You go to Europe and it's still the cloud, the cloud, the cloud.
00:49:03.000 But here, I think everyone started getting a little like... 0.98
00:49:06.000 Well, it doesn't matter if it's the cloud, because they're going right into your goddamn email. 0.96
00:49:10.000 They're going into your hard drive. 0.89
00:49:12.000 They're hacking your hard drive, and they're going right in there, pulling out all your data, pulling all your credit card information, putting out all your contacts.
00:49:21.000 If you are a person that's involved in some controversial activity...
00:49:26.000 Everyone that you call, everyone that you talk to, they get monitored now. 0.97
00:49:30.000 If you start talking crazy shit about the government on this podcast, then you make a phone call. 0.95
00:49:35.000 If the NSA decides to monitor you, they're gonna monitor your buddies, they're gonna monitor people you fucking play pool with, they're gonna monitor a guy you go drinking with. 0.97
00:49:45.000 Everybody gets monitored and you all become suspects.
00:49:48.000 I started getting monitored after I went on this show.
00:49:51.000 Oh, before you even decided to go on this show.
00:49:54.000 When I was tweeting about you, you probably started getting monitored.
00:49:57.000 Probably immediately.
00:49:57.000 You were probably already monitored before that.
00:49:59.000 Probably.
00:50:00.000 Probably.
00:50:00.000 I wouldn't doubt that.
00:50:01.000 It's ridiculous. 0.95
00:50:02.000 I mean, it's like, look, we're not criminals. 0.97
00:50:04.000 These aren't criminals. 0.96
00:50:07.000 The idea that you're monitoring 99% of the country, or whatever the fuck the numbers are. 0.99
00:50:10.000 It's insane. 0.98
00:50:11.000 What, is everybody a criminal?
00:50:12.000 And then they're monitoring each other.
00:50:14.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:50:15.000 Like, the Senate, they fucking, the NSA was, they were spying on the goddamn Senate. 1.00
00:50:19.000 Man, did you read the thing about the World of Warcraft? 1.00
00:50:22.000 One of the documents, you know that game?
00:50:25.000 World of Warcraft?
00:50:26.000 Yeah, it's like an online role-playing game with millions of players going around the world.
00:50:32.000 And they had NSA agents in there because they were saying that the terrorist groups were meeting in those games.
00:50:40.000 They would go in the game and they'd meet and they had to talk in there.
00:50:43.000 So they said that they had so many NSA agents in World of Warcraft that they had to assign other NSA agents to watch those NSA agents inside World of Warcraft. 0.98
00:50:52.000 I mean, can't you see these motherfuckers sitting there playing like a level 50 wizard? 0.99
00:50:57.000 He's like, yeah, man, we're gonna bust some fucking terrorists today! 1.00
00:51:01.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00
00:51:02.000 And kill a dragon! 1.00
00:51:04.000 Meanwhile, they're busting other people who are pretending to be terrorists so that they can bust other terrorists. 0.97
00:51:11.000 Man, I was like, yes, that's awesome.
00:51:12.000 What a great idea.
00:51:13.000 I'm going to go in an online game and...
00:51:17.000 I wonder how many times there have been undercover sting operations where an undercover drug dealer was selling drugs to an undercover DEA agent posing as a guy to buy drugs.
00:51:27.000 That's a movie!
00:51:28.000 Is it a movie?
00:51:29.000 We should write that.
00:51:30.000 It totally is a movie.
00:51:30.000 Just write it into a movie.
00:51:31.000 And they wind up killing each other and then everyone tries to cover it up and it becomes some crazy story.
00:51:36.000 I mean, it must have happened before.
00:51:38.000 It has to have had happened.
00:51:40.000 Kind of like 21 Jump Street, the end of the movie with the cameo with the, what's his name, Johnny Depp.
00:51:46.000 Did you see the new 21 Jump Street?
00:51:48.000 No, no.
00:51:48.000 Oh, it's great.
00:51:49.000 Is it?
00:51:49.000 Yeah.
00:51:50.000 Is it fun?
00:51:50.000 It was a great cameo of Johnny Depp, though.
00:51:53.000 Yeah.
00:51:54.000 Just blew that for you then.
00:51:56.000 Well, I don't think it's a spoiler alert.
00:51:58.000 I think I'll be okay.
00:51:59.000 The undercover guy blowing it for the other undercover guy kind of thing.
00:52:03.000 It's just when these guys start spying on each other, it's like, does the CIA think that the Senate is a bunch of criminals?
00:52:08.000 Is that what's going on?
00:52:09.000 Or do you just have carte blanche to just spy on people? 1.00
00:52:12.000 So you're like, fuck it, let's spy on these guys. 0.99
00:52:14.000 Let's spy on everybody. 1.00
00:52:15.000 I don't trust him. 1.00
00:52:16.000 Fuck that guy. 1.00
00:52:16.000 Let's spy on him. 1.00
00:52:17.000 Let's find out where his dick pictures are hiding in his hard drive. 1.00
00:52:20.000 They said they passed those around Yeah, of course they did. 0.99
00:52:25.000 The people that were in the office, they spied on ex-girlfriends.
00:52:31.000 They would find ex-girlfriends.
00:52:33.000 See, that's the smartest thing they probably did.
00:52:36.000 I mean, man, you can really...
00:52:37.000 I'm going, you know what?
00:52:39.000 After that girl, I'm going to join the NSA. I'm going to work my way all the way to the top just so I can fuck her for the rest of her life. 1.00
00:52:44.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:52:46.000 It's just, when the CIA spies on the Senate, I really think that they should bring everybody involved and lock them up.
00:52:54.000 Yeah, there you go.
00:52:55.000 Not only did you violate everything that you're supposed to be standing for, you guys are supposed to be looking out for us. 1.00
00:53:02.000 The way you're looking out is by spying on the fucking Senate. 0.99
00:53:06.000 Looking in, yeah. 1.00
00:53:07.000 Do you think that the Senate is bad?
00:53:08.000 Do you think that they're involved in...
00:53:09.000 Are they terrorists?
00:53:11.000 Are they the enemy? 1.00
00:53:12.000 Are they working for the fucking Russians? 1.00
00:53:13.000 Like, what are you doing? 1.00
00:53:15.000 The fuck are you doing? 1.00
00:53:16.000 You're wasting money! 1.00
00:53:18.000 Like, you should go to jail just for wasting tax dollars.
00:53:21.000 Just for fraud.
00:53:22.000 For pretending that you're here resolving democracy or that you're here protecting and serving.
00:53:29.000 You should go to jail just for misrepresenting what your job is. 1.00
00:53:32.000 You guys are goddamn crooks. 1.00
00:53:34.000 Yeah, a bunch of them. 1.00
00:53:37.000 I'm on the Edward Snowden team because it's just like, fuck yeah! 1.00
00:53:42.000 That's the kind of shit that movies were made of. 1.00
00:53:45.000 We wanted to happen. 1.00
00:53:47.000 We want some guy to be like, yo, you all are getting fucked and I'm willing to die over this shit and tell you about it. 0.99
00:53:55.000 Yeah, and before Obama was in office, that whole hope and fucking hope and change, his website was all about protecting whistleblowers. 0.99
00:54:05.000 All that shit was removed once all this stuff started going down with Edward Snowden and with Julian Assange. 0.95
00:54:11.000 But before that, he was all about protecting whistleblowers who are exposing illegal activity. 0.98
00:54:17.000 Guess what?
00:54:18.000 That's exactly what Snowden did.
00:54:20.000 Everything he did is protecting people who are being exposed to dangerous elements of out-of-control government.
00:54:30.000 I mean, that's really what's going on.
00:54:31.000 I didn't realize that was on the Obama page.
00:54:34.000 I mean, I never went to the Obama page, but at the same time, I never knew that That he said that. 1.00
00:54:39.000 What a crock of shit. 1.00
00:54:40.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:54:41.000 Jesus Christ.
00:54:42.000 I mean, they were like, we had to say, hey, Snowden, come back here.
00:54:44.000 We promise we're not going to kill you.
00:54:46.000 Like, when America has to say that, you know what I mean? 1.00
00:54:49.000 It's like, fuck, we're fucked. 1.00
00:54:51.000 It's like Howard Stern says, man. 1.00
00:54:53.000 He's like, we're like the last...
00:54:54.000 We are like the...
00:54:56.000 People say we shouldn't police the world, but the reality is 90% of the world are murdering their own people or stoning women to death.
00:55:04.000 There's all these other countries. 0.99
00:55:06.000 There's not many countries that says, hey, fucking stop, right? 0.99
00:55:09.000 That is what we want from America. 0.99
00:55:11.000 It's what we hope for. 0.98
00:55:12.000 But when you look at it and you look at the NSA shit and all that, it's like, You know, it's just hard to get all hyped up and excited about it. 0.97
00:55:22.000 I mean, but our world changed so much, man. 0.98
00:55:24.000 I was talking to, I'm 35, and I was talking to a friend of mine about this, about how my generation, it was like, our world is so fucked compared to everybody else's because, I mean, it's probably just getting worse for the other kids, but you know, we saw... 0.95
00:55:40.000 When we were 14, Kurt Cobain blew his brains out. 0.78
00:55:44.000 So by that time, everybody's kind of hopeful.
00:55:48.000 And then when that happens, that's the first time that's ever happened.
00:55:51.000 It was so dark. 0.99
00:55:53.000 There were photographs floating around in my high school of it and shit. 0.97
00:55:57.000 And I remember kind of being like, man, this is dark, but it kind of like threw me. 0.97
00:56:00.000 I was really into Nine Inch Nails and Manson and shit like that.
00:56:03.000 And it like threw me into that world even more. 0.95
00:56:06.000 And, you know, everybody loved the dark, loved the dark. 0.97
00:56:09.000 And then fucking 9-11 happens when we're like 20, 21. And it's like, holy fuck. 1.00
00:56:14.000 Like everything changed after that point. 0.99
00:56:17.000 Like everyone is a lot darker. 0.56
00:56:20.000 Everyone is like realizes that, yeah, you know, just these massive, Yeah.
00:56:36.000 Yeah. 0.82
00:56:41.000 Like televised or broadcast in certain ways, newspapers like death, mass death and weird crazy shit like that.
00:56:50.000 But you look at, there was always this kind of hopefulness and I think like after 9-11 and after kind of everything that's going on, people are really like disillusioned to it.
00:57:00.000 We don't have that same kind of feeling that was going on in the 80s and 90s.
00:57:05.000 I know what you're saying.
00:57:06.000 The perception of what America stands for.
00:57:09.000 Yeah.
00:57:09.000 It used to be that we were noble.
00:57:11.000 Everybody hates us everywhere else.
00:57:12.000 Everybody used to say it's the land of the free.
00:57:15.000 You still go to New York and the cab driver guy who's, by the way, only driven for two weeks because he got here two weeks ago.
00:57:22.000 He'll still tell you. 0.98
00:57:24.000 Goddamn so happy to be in America, of course, because you're in New York City and it's beautiful and there is a beauty to that in what we offer the rest of the world and people that are in these fucking terrible countries and they escape and they come here and it's like that. 0.99
00:57:35.000 That's great. 0.99
00:57:36.000 Yeah, in comparison to the Congo, we're awesome. 0.80
00:57:39.000 Yeah, in comparison to the Congo, we are awesome, but at the same time, we're like kids that I think the couple generations before us, it was like the parents stayed together, and it was like, great, we're the kids, the mom shot the dad and got away with it.
00:57:55.000 And we're like, alright.
00:57:57.000 You know what I mean?
00:57:58.000 Our vision of America is kind of like, yeah, we really kind of hate our parents.
00:58:05.000 I see what you're saying.
00:58:06.000 Do you know what I mean?
00:58:07.000 Yeah, that sounded weird when I said it, but what I mean is...
00:58:09.000 I know what you're saying, though.
00:58:10.000 I just feel like we kind of are this weird...
00:58:13.000 This world that we're in and the three of us and everybody that we know kind of now, it's like we have this kind of just disdain for things. 0.95
00:58:20.000 Like you look at this fucking Sandy Hook and all these terrible things that are happening. 0.92
00:58:24.000 And everyone wants to focus on the gun rights thing when there's like mental health issues that need to be dealt with. 0.99
00:58:29.000 There's all kinds of stuff.
00:58:30.000 But there have been crazy people forever.
00:58:33.000 There have been murderers forever. 0.98
00:58:34.000 It's like, but changing the system and trying to get ready, just everything just seems so fucked, you know? 0.96
00:58:40.000 Like, you wake up and you just want to watch cartoons. 0.60
00:58:43.000 You definitely don't want to watch the news and you definitely don't want to- Well, one of the reasons why things are so fucked as far as our perceptions is because we're getting more information about the real dealings of our government now than ever before.
00:58:56.000 Because of guys like Julian Assange and because of guys like Edward Snowden, one of the things that people don't like about it is like, well, you know, they're exposing American secrets, they're putting Americans at risk.
00:59:06.000 Well, maybe what Americans are doing is putting Americans at risk because what they're doing is exposing truth.
00:59:12.000 Yeah.
00:59:12.000 They're exposing things that we don't like.
00:59:14.000 I remember after September 11th, one of the things that I found the most shocking about it all was how many American flags are on people's cars.
00:59:23.000 Like, I would drive to work and- That was crazy, I remember. 0.99
00:59:26.000 Fucking madness, man. 0.99
00:59:27.000 Every car had an American flag on it. 1.00
00:59:29.000 It was nuts.
00:59:30.000 My friend Jay London- Jay London started selling American flags.
00:59:34.000 Smart.
00:59:34.000 Probably made a ton.
00:59:36.000 Because, I mean, it was insane when that happened.
00:59:38.000 Remember?
00:59:38.000 It's like exposing secrets.
00:59:40.000 You know, Geraldo exposes secrets and put guys' lives in danger, not Edward Snowden.
00:59:44.000 That's like telling you.
00:59:45.000 But, yeah. 1.00
00:59:46.000 But the fucking flags, man. 1.00
00:59:48.000 That was insane. 1.00
00:59:49.000 It was like this...
00:59:50.000 There was like a sense of...
00:59:51.000 You know, but who knows if that was real?
00:59:54.000 I mean, you know what I mean?
00:59:55.000 It was real.
00:59:56.000 People were buying the flags.
00:59:56.000 The sense of nationalism was real, obviously.
00:59:59.000 But at the same time, like...
01:00:14.000 Yeah.
01:00:30.000 Yeah, here's the problem with that conspiracy theory.
01:00:32.000 I worked with those very same people when I did that sci-fi show, Joe Rogan Questions Everything.
01:00:37.000 I loved that show.
01:00:38.000 I thought that was a killer show.
01:00:39.000 Thanks, man.
01:00:40.000 We still might do it.
01:00:41.000 We're still talking.
01:00:42.000 I just don't want to do it the way we did it because they... 0.95
01:00:46.000 There's a lot of fuckery involved in those shows. 1.00
01:00:48.000 A lot of fuckery. 1.00
01:00:50.000 Turn the plane around! 0.99
01:00:52.000 Alex Jones wants to talk.
01:00:54.000 Wait a minute, what?
01:00:56.000 Those shows, they gravitate towards the fantastic and avoid simplicity.
01:01:06.000 Avoid what would be boring TV, which is really the juice.
01:01:10.000 Yeah, but also avoid other possible scenarios that aren't as sexy.
01:01:15.000 There's a lot of incompetence involved in government.
01:01:18.000 Sometimes people, they misconstrue conspiracy. 1.00
01:01:21.000 They think of it as a conspiracy when it's really just a bunch of idiots that did a shitty job of protecting people and then the scramble afterwards. 1.00
01:01:30.000 And then people that have capitalized on the scramble and made money. 0.99
01:01:36.000 And then people look at the people who capitalized on the event and say, oh, well, this is clear evidence that there was a conspiracy and these people are the ones that profited off of it.
01:01:45.000 Maybe not. 0.57
01:01:46.000 Maybe there was a fucking horrible event, and some people look at horrible events as an opportunity to make money, and they did. 0.98
01:01:52.000 And they didn't have anything to do with it happening, but they did have something to do with profiting off of it. 0.96
01:01:57.000 You know, so there's a lot of like...
01:01:59.000 And people get involved in these conspiracy discussions, and unfortunately what happens is... 0.94
01:02:04.000 When you start labeling a bunch of shit conspiracies that aren't really conspiracies, you throw the whole thing into a tizzy. 0.99
01:02:12.000 Because now no one knows what the fuck to believe. 0.99
01:02:14.000 And if I find out that you're wrong about a bunch of ridiculous conspiracy assumptions, if you're wrong about those, what am I supposed to think about all the other shit that you're saying? 0.99
01:02:24.000 Yeah, you're very right about that. 0.95
01:02:26.000 And that's a real problem with conspiracy theories, is that the people who find them, they're sexy to find. 0.98
01:02:32.000 So people go looking for them and fucking everything. 0.91
01:02:35.000 And they're not willing to abandon them once they have sort of called them out. 1.00
01:02:40.000 Once they've called out a conspiracy theory, they stick with it and they ride that fucker right into the rocks. 0.99
01:02:44.000 Right, right. 0.99
01:02:45.000 You know, and a lot of these 9-11 guys are like that.
01:02:48.000 A lot of these 9-11 guys, there's photos that people said, look, it's clear that thermite cut this steel and the steel's...
01:02:55.000 Asshole, they cut that steel so they can move it. 1.00
01:02:59.000 Like, this is all after the fucking buildings went down. 1.00
01:03:02.000 And you guys are touting this as evidence that thermite was used. 1.00
01:03:05.000 They cut the fucking girders so that they can move that shit out of there. 0.99
01:03:10.000 Well, why did they get rid of all that waste and ship it over to China? 1.00
01:03:13.000 What do you want him to do?
01:03:14.000 You want him to hang on to it?
01:03:16.000 What do you want him to do?
01:03:16.000 Put it in a pile so that you can go and send your independent investigators that are going to go over and scan for thermite?
01:03:22.000 Yeah, yeah, that's silly. 1.00
01:03:24.000 Fuck, man. 1.00
01:03:24.000 See, now, you start talking about that, and the first thing I think about is the biggest one is what happened with Osama bin Laden. 1.00
01:03:30.000 Oh, we dumped his body over.
01:03:32.000 Right.
01:03:32.000 Remember that whole story?
01:03:33.000 Yeah.
01:03:33.000 Everybody talks about that, and it's like...
01:03:35.000 People say he was not there.
01:03:36.000 They had nothing to do with it.
01:03:38.000 There was never a situation there.
01:03:39.000 He's been dead for a long time.
01:03:41.000 Yeah, a lot of people, special ops people, say that he's been dead forever.
01:03:44.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:03:45.000 They say that he died ages ago and they just did this.
01:03:47.000 They pulled that dude out of the freezer and chucked him into the ocean.
01:03:50.000 Chucked him into the ocean.
01:03:51.000 We got him!
01:03:52.000 Plop! 0.65
01:03:52.000 Yeah, right. 0.65
01:03:54.000 I don't know, man. 0.99
01:03:55.000 Who the fuck knows? 0.99
01:03:57.000 You're right, though, man. 1.00
01:03:58.000 People will ride that shit down and it's like you end up kind of... 0.99
01:04:02.000 It's just more confusion. 1.00
01:04:03.000 It is.
01:04:04.000 It's like white noise and static around all the time.
01:04:07.000 It's almost just as bad as the media is.
01:04:12.000 Well, and it helps them.
01:04:14.000 It helps anyone in government because it also shows that any time there's any sort of a cataclysmic disaster, any time there's any sort of an event like a 9-11...
01:04:22.000 There's so much scrambling and there's so much chaos afterwards that it's impossible to get a clear story on what exactly happened.
01:04:30.000 Yeah, they love that.
01:04:32.000 It's like when they're involved in something.
01:04:34.000 That's why Edward Snowden and people like that really terrify him.
01:04:37.000 Because they tried to, you know, they planted fake Snowden stories that were like, there was a UFO one that they were trying to plant them so he would look like a kook. 0.89
01:04:47.000 And they weren't real real.
01:04:48.000 It would be like an article in some European magazine saying that Snowden papers say that the government knew about UFOs and has had them for a long time and all this.
01:04:57.000 UFOs are a perfect one, right?
01:04:59.000 Perfect one, man.
01:05:02.000 I mean, I've never... 1.00
01:05:02.000 It's like, I'm obsessed with all this shit. 1.00
01:05:05.000 You know, I'm obsessed with all of it, but the reality is, is like, I've never seen... 0.99
01:05:08.000 I would love to see a ghost.
01:05:10.000 I've never seen one. 1.00
01:05:10.000 Never fucking seen a fucking ghost. 1.00
01:05:12.000 I've never seen a fucking alien. 1.00
01:05:13.000 I've never seen any of it. 0.99
01:05:14.000 I've tried.
01:05:15.000 I've slept in haunted houses.
01:05:16.000 I've met people that have seen ghosts. 1.00
01:05:19.000 Like, anytime somebody tells me a ghost story, the first thing I'm thinking is like, you're fucking crazy. 0.99
01:05:23.000 Like, that's the first thing I think, because I've never seen one. 0.98
01:05:25.000 Have you ever had an experience with a ghost?
01:05:27.000 No.
01:05:28.000 I've gone to the Comedy Store really late at night.
01:05:30.000 The Comedy Store in Hollywood.
01:05:31.000 Oh yeah, I've heard about all that. 0.99
01:05:32.000 I've heard about all the shit about the killing room they had up there or whatever. 0.98
01:05:36.000 Well, the Comedy Store used to be Ciro's Nightclub. 0.99
01:05:38.000 Yes.
01:05:39.000 And it was owned by Bugsy Siegel.
01:05:41.000 Yes.
01:05:41.000 And many people were murdered there.
01:05:43.000 And Ciro's nightclub, you know, this was back in the 1930s, I guess, in the 1940s, like whenever it was, the early 20th century.
01:05:52.000 And that was a place where Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis would perform.
01:05:56.000 And the Comedy Store's original...
01:06:03.000 Wow. 0.99
01:06:19.000 Yeah, there was a lot of wacky shit that happened in that place. 1.00
01:06:22.000 And because of that... 0.99
01:06:23.000 I've heard many stories about a person that sits in the audience or something.
01:06:27.000 There's some lady that... 1.00
01:06:28.000 Yeah, I've heard. 1.00
01:06:30.000 Mostly bullshit. 1.00
01:06:31.000 Mostly bullshit. 1.00
01:06:32.000 I was there. 0.99
01:06:32.000 I performed at the comedy store for 13 years. 0.99
01:06:36.000 Wow. 0.99
01:06:36.000 And I never saw shit. 0.99
01:06:39.000 I looked around. 0.99
01:06:40.000 I went there late at night. 0.99
01:06:41.000 I would sit in the main room when the lights were out and everyone was gone and just wait for shit to happen. 0.99
01:06:47.000 Wow. 0.99
01:06:48.000 Yeah, nothing happened.
01:06:49.000 But that doesn't mean that something couldn't be there. 0.99
01:06:53.000 I just want to see some fucking proof, man. 1.00
01:06:56.000 I mean, these people write these fucking books and go on these talk shows and say this shit. 1.00
01:07:00.000 I'm like, I don't believe a fucking word you're saying. 1.00
01:07:03.000 I just can't believe it because I can't... 0.99
01:07:06.000 I've never seen it, man.
01:07:07.000 But imagine if you did, and what you saw was a brief but unique moment.
01:07:13.000 And in that brief, unique moment, you saw...
01:07:15.000 Yeah, right.
01:07:18.000 And then it's gone. 1.00
01:07:18.000 You're like, what the fuck? 1.00
01:07:20.000 But you saw it. 0.99
01:07:21.000 There's no way to measure it.
01:07:22.000 Then I become a kook, I guess.
01:07:24.000 Maybe, right?
01:07:25.000 People on talk shows and be like, and then his face was...
01:07:27.000 I mean, I don't know, man.
01:07:28.000 It's...
01:07:29.000 I haven't completely ruled it out because so many people have brought out ghosts.
01:07:32.000 I just want to see some proof.
01:07:34.000 I just want to see something.
01:07:35.000 I mean, it just seems so nuts. 1.00
01:07:36.000 Like, I got abducted by aliens and my ass got probed and all this shit. 0.99
01:07:39.000 Like, I see these people and you're like, these poor people are so lonely and they got nothing going on and they either dream this shit up or they're taking Ambien walking around in their front yard to sleep and, you know, have this thing or whatever it is. 1.00
01:07:52.000 I just don't know. 0.96
01:07:53.000 It's like, I want to, man.
01:07:55.000 Me and my dad went to go see Fire in the Sky when I was a kid, when that movie came out, you know? 0.77
01:07:58.000 It was just touching into mainstream, all this, like, alien abduction shit, you know? 0.98
01:08:03.000 And I used to watch X-Files every fucking week. 0.99
01:08:05.000 I think that Travis Walton guy's been kind of called out as being a bullshit artist, though. 0.99
01:08:09.000 He did, right? 0.97
01:08:09.000 It turned out to do, there was some kind of thing where there was fraud to it. 0.97
01:08:12.000 It's like, it always is going to.
01:08:15.000 It's like that, have you seen that movie?
01:08:17.000 It was so well done.
01:08:18.000 Well, I mean, the movie's okay, but the fourth, The fourth kind?
01:08:24.000 Oh yeah, no I didn't.
01:08:26.000 Did you see it?
01:08:26.000 Yeah, because they had this lady who's supposed to be the real lady and they have her interviews with Mila Jovovich acting out the scenes, but it was all fake.
01:08:35.000 They set up this whole thing. 0.99
01:08:37.000 Blair Witch was the first to do this kind of shit. 1.00
01:08:40.000 Eventually, it's all coming down as fake, I would think. 1.00
01:08:44.000 Well, that's just entertainment.
01:08:46.000 The real problem is when you deal with the people that are involved in the quote-unquote UFO community.
01:08:52.000 I've interviewed a ton of those for that television show, and I sat down.
01:08:56.000 The show, each episode was only an hour long, but in that hour-long episode, I had several hour-plus-long conversations with a lot of different people that were involved in these things. 0.99
01:09:06.000 And one thing that you get out of them is that these motherfuckers only have one option. 0.99
01:09:11.000 That option in their head is that UFOs are real, even if they haven't seen shit themselves. 1.00
01:09:16.000 And what they're not taking into account is how many people are liars. 0.99
01:09:22.000 I've told this story before.
01:09:23.000 I was in the woods once, and I thought I saw a wolf.
01:09:26.000 I thought it was a wolf for about four seconds at the most.
01:09:30.000 It was a squirrel.
01:09:32.000 I saw a squirrel.
01:09:33.000 I was like, is that a wolf?
01:09:34.000 Is that a wolf?
01:09:35.000 Squirrel. 0.99
01:09:35.000 What the fuck is wrong with me? 0.99
01:09:37.000 It was literally like that. 0.99
01:09:38.000 I thought it was a wolf.
01:09:40.000 It was a squirrel.
01:09:41.000 And it was the woods.
01:09:42.000 And I'm sane.
01:09:43.000 And I'm also...
01:09:44.000 I constantly check myself.
01:09:47.000 I'm very objective like that. 0.94
01:09:49.000 I'm always like, what are you doing, dummy?
01:09:51.000 I'm always saying that to myself to make sure that... 0.96
01:09:53.000 But some people don't ever say, what are you doing, dummy?
01:09:56.000 They say, I know what I saw.
01:09:58.000 That's like the joke with no punchline thing.
01:10:00.000 You know what I mean?
01:10:01.000 It's like there's no punchline to get you out of it, so you're stuck in the joke forever.
01:10:05.000 I know exactly what you're talking about.
01:10:07.000 The other day, my wife came home, and I was drunk with a knife.
01:10:12.000 Because I had this, our doorbell fell off, right?
01:10:15.000 Our doorbell is like stuck to our front door.
01:10:18.000 It's not like wired in, some kind of little wireless thing.
01:10:21.000 And so it had fallen off, so I put it inside the house.
01:10:25.000 And my wife was gone, and she's working, and I was drunk.
01:10:29.000 I was just drinking and hanging out and like playing.
01:10:31.000 I have this video game that me and my buddies play and stuff.
01:10:33.000 I had been drinking and all of a sudden the doorbell rings.
01:10:36.000 And I'm like, doorbell's inside. 0.99
01:10:39.000 I'm like, holy shit. 0.99
01:10:41.000 You got your knife out? 1.00
01:10:43.000 I'll get a knife out.
01:10:44.000 It's like as if someone's a bad guy, they've got to ring the doorbell first before they get you.
01:10:48.000 But they're in the house and ringing the doorbell and letting me know they're in the house.
01:10:51.000 And I'm not like a scaredy cat.
01:10:54.000 I'm always the guy that goes downstairs to check it out.
01:10:57.000 I've got no problem with that.
01:10:59.000 I've got no problem walking downstairs.
01:11:00.000 There may be somebody down there.
01:11:01.000 But in this moment, I was like... 0.99
01:11:03.000 I'm alone, and the doorbell's ringing on the inside of the house, and this fucking sucks, and I'm hammered, so I'm like, getting the knife out, you know? 0.99
01:11:09.000 But again, same kind of thing. 0.99
01:11:10.000 I think I'll see something.
01:11:12.000 I think I'll hear something.
01:11:13.000 And my mind goes to these places. 0.94
01:11:14.000 But at the end of the day, I know it's ridiculous.
01:11:17.000 Unless it's a home invasion of tweakers. 0.87
01:11:19.000 That's the only thing I'm worried about.
01:11:20.000 Tweaker home invasion, which was rampant here when I first moved into town in the flatlands. 1.00
01:11:25.000 Yeah, tweaker home invasions are real.
01:11:28.000 Tweakers need money bad. 0.89
01:11:30.000 They come up with wacky plans.
01:11:33.000 That's the number one thing that happens to meth heads is they lose their ability to make good decisions. 0.97
01:11:37.000 Yeah, yeah, because it's back after a couple days and shit, you know, you've been up for like nine days. 0.98
01:11:42.000 Gotta get more! 0.97
01:11:43.000 Yeah, well, they're also like, they don't see how...
01:11:45.000 It's almost like their judgment gets cut off.
01:11:48.000 They can only see a couple steps forward.
01:11:51.000 They can't see the whole future.
01:11:53.000 So they see, oh, I know what I'll do. 1.00
01:11:55.000 I'll just store all the meth in my ass. 1.00
01:11:57.000 No one's going to check there. 1.00
01:11:58.000 And then they get arrested and they're pulling meth out of their ass. 1.00
01:12:01.000 What? 1.00
01:12:01.000 What are you doing back there, man? 1.00
01:12:02.000 How'd you find it?
01:12:03.000 Like, how'd I find it? 1.00
01:12:04.000 Do you know that people store things in their ass? 1.00
01:12:07.000 Guys have stored guns in their ass. 1.00
01:12:08.000 So there's this one article in GQ about this guy who was a lawyer and he was representing meth heads. 1.00
01:12:15.000 I think it was Vanity Fair, GQ, one of those.
01:12:18.000 And along the way, he started doing meth.
01:12:21.000 And then he started selling meth.
01:12:22.000 Wow.
01:12:23.000 It's like Rush, kind of.
01:12:24.000 Yeah.
01:12:26.000 His basement had buckets of meth.
01:12:30.000 He had made it and was storing it in his basement. 1.00
01:12:34.000 And people were like, are you Was he out of your fucking mind? 0.99
01:12:36.000 Yeah, he was. 1.00
01:12:37.000 Yeah, he was out of his mind.
01:12:38.000 Dude, that's insane.
01:12:39.000 He was a lawyer representing meth heads who Heisenberg'd. 1.00
01:12:43.000 He went full retard. 1.00
01:12:45.000 Dude, that's so insane. 0.99
01:12:47.000 What a great story.
01:12:49.000 I've got to find that article.
01:12:51.000 Yeah, it was many years ago.
01:12:52.000 But I remember reading that one of the experts that they were interviewing was talking about your lack of ability to make critical decisions and that it goes out the window.
01:13:02.000 It's one of the first symptoms of meth use.
01:13:05.000 As people start doing, like rational people start doing really irrational things and don't seem to understand the consequences of it.
01:13:12.000 It's like they can't...
01:13:13.000 They don't see...
01:13:16.000 You know, you see several steps ahead. 0.99
01:13:18.000 Like, you say, like, well, you know, if I go outside and light that car on fire, well, if it explodes, and then what if the tree catches on fire, and then the building catches on fire, fuck, man, I could start a big fire. 0.99
01:13:30.000 Meth heads don't think that. 1.00
01:13:31.000 All they think is, I'm gonna light that fucking car on fire! 1.00
01:13:34.000 Nothing's gonna happen, you know? 1.00
01:13:35.000 I know.
01:13:37.000 I've known plenty of people who have gone down that path. 0.99
01:13:40.000 I mean, I've tried this shit before. 0.99
01:13:41.000 You've tried meth? 1.00
01:13:42.000 Yeah.
01:13:43.000 What's it like?
01:13:43.000 It's like really powerful coke.
01:13:47.000 There have been times and places where someone has had that shit. 0.99
01:13:53.000 I mean, I'm not, like, fucking doing blow all day long or anything, but there have been times I've done shows and shit, and they're just moving around and be like, hey, man, you want to party? 1.00
01:14:01.000 And I'm like, yeah, fuck it, man. 1.00
01:14:02.000 Yeah, right. 1.00
01:14:03.000 And some guy, you, like, think the guy's going to chop up some blow or something, right?
01:14:06.000 And then it'll be like, it's meth.
01:14:09.000 But, I mean, it's funny to call it meth because it's crank or speed.
01:14:13.000 Like, when I first moved here, I was partying a bunch, and there was this guy that had, like, this yellow dog speed.
01:14:18.000 It was, like, yellowish...
01:14:20.000 It wasn't, and it's the same kind of effect.
01:14:23.000 Like, one line of it will keep you up for like 10 hours.
01:14:26.000 Like, with coke, you want to do more every hour or every, you know, 30 minutes.
01:14:31.000 And with meth, like, you do a line and you're like, boo! 0.97
01:14:33.000 Like, for fucking, you can stay up for like 10 hours, you know, if you want to. 0.98
01:14:37.000 And then those guys, like, that's why meth, like, you don't need as much of it. 0.99
01:14:41.000 And they'll just do some or they'll smoke it and do that.
01:14:43.000 And, you know.
01:14:45.000 It's like, that's what it is.
01:14:47.000 It's like really, really powerful Coke.
01:14:48.000 So, like, I can't stay up all night on Coke, and I have stayed up all night one time on meth.
01:14:52.000 Just one line of it, of just being up, and you just like play the guitar, and you're like singing, and you're just so into singing, you know?
01:14:59.000 But in the Southeast, where we play a lot, it's so big down there.
01:15:04.000 My buddies that live in Kentucky and stuff, it's everywhere, and their buddies all do it.
01:15:12.000 Sometimes they'll do it occasionally, and then one of the guys will start doing it too much. 0.97
01:15:17.000 There's tons of sad stories, guys with kids and shit that are just doing it and staying up for eight or nine days, and the kids have no idea, and they're fucking just wired. 0.98
01:15:26.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:15:26.000 So, I mean, it's just insane. 0.98
01:15:29.000 It burns like a motherfucker, too, when you do it. 0.99
01:15:32.000 If you do a line of it, it burns your nose insane. 1.00
01:15:37.000 Really?
01:15:37.000 Like burns the inside of your nose?
01:15:38.000 Yeah, but it's kind of awesome, the burn.
01:15:41.000 The burn is kind of the addictive thing, because it's like...
01:15:44.000 Like eating jalapenos?
01:15:47.000 Yeah, it's like snorting jalapenos.
01:15:50.000 So, how many times have you done meth?
01:15:53.000 Ah...
01:15:55.000 It's probably going to sound like a lot.
01:15:56.000 Five?
01:15:57.000 That doesn't sound like a lot.
01:15:58.000 The worry that people have is that you do it once and that you're gone.
01:16:02.000 No, it's not like heroin in that way.
01:16:04.000 I've never done heroin, but I know people who have done heroin.
01:16:06.000 I know there's that immediate euphoria thing.
01:16:10.000 And with meth, the reason why it's so cheap...
01:16:14.000 It's so much more potent, and I think that's why it's such a big deal. 0.99
01:16:20.000 It's easy to make with weird shit and Drano and all this fucking shit in it, and Sudafed and all that. 0.99
01:16:27.000 They got to in the South where they had to move Sudafed behind the counter, because... 0.99
01:16:31.000 People were coming in and buying like six, seven packs of Sudafed.
01:16:35.000 Well, if you buy it out here, you have to give your driver's license.
01:16:37.000 Yeah, that started in the South where they were like real fast.
01:16:41.000 But I mean, you know, I mean, there's probably been times I may have done it like where I thought I was doing something else and then I'm like, oh, that's definitely crank.
01:16:52.000 You know what I mean?
01:16:53.000 But it's like my brothers and sisters and cousins, I mean, they probably hate me for saying this, but I mean...
01:16:58.000 Where they come from, that's common.
01:17:00.000 It's common that people have done crank or do it.
01:17:03.000 It's not weird.
01:17:05.000 It's definitely not addictive. 0.99
01:17:09.000 I mean, if you're the type of person who's never done cocaine and you do cocaine and all of a sudden you're like, fuck, I gotta do more cocaine all the fucking time. 0.87
01:17:15.000 I know certain people that are into coke like that, but I can never do that. 0.99
01:17:19.000 If I have done coke, I can't do it for another couple days.
01:17:22.000 I'm not the guy who stays up all night and does the whole bag.
01:17:26.000 I'll do a bump or something like that.
01:17:28.000 It's been a long time since I've done it, but if I did do it, I would just do small amounts of it, you know, here or there.
01:17:34.000 But there are people that if you have that personality where you're going to be the guy who locks himself in a hotel room for three days and does blow and doesn't show up for your job and all that shit just because you got a bag of blow at a party, you know, then you're going to have a problem with crank.
01:17:49.000 But I think it's the same kind of thing, though. 0.85
01:17:51.000 It's just hardcore, man.
01:17:53.000 It's not my style.
01:17:54.000 Certain people prefer Crank to Coke.
01:17:59.000 Some people prefer Adderall and do all that.
01:18:03.000 None of it excites me that much, but anything that lasts a really long time...
01:18:09.000 I can't do it. 0.99
01:18:10.000 I got kids and shit. 0.99
01:18:11.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
01:18:11.000 If I'm in a party, weed is right down my alley. 0.99
01:18:15.000 I love weed. 0.98
01:18:17.000 I can fucking do it in the studio. 0.99
01:18:18.000 I do it at night after my kids sleep to go to bed. 0.99
01:18:21.000 It's never going to fuck you up so much you can't snap out of it and fucking make a good decision. 0.99
01:18:27.000 There's times you can be like, man, I shouldn't have fucking ate that old pizza. 0.99
01:18:31.000 But it's not like I went and robbed my mom's house and I woke up two days later in a ditch and I'm like, Fuck, I probably shouldn't have done that crank. 0.99
01:18:41.000 Yeah, it's those speedy ones. 0.99
01:18:42.000 They accelerate you and they cut out a lot of the decision-making process.
01:18:47.000 Yeah, they definitely do.
01:18:49.000 There's no two ways about it.
01:18:51.000 After you've been up an entire day, you start seeing stuff.
01:18:57.000 I've done that without drugs.
01:18:59.000 I've stayed up days on it.
01:19:01.000 And you just start getting delirious.
01:19:03.000 And, like, when you're using something that's fueling your heart rate and keeping you... 1.00
01:19:06.000 Your brain is still acting as if you are not on the drugs and you've been up for five days and you're seeing shit, but yet you're just wired from that shit. 1.00
01:19:15.000 That's what... 1.00
01:19:15.000 Like, they do the home invasion thing. 1.00
01:19:17.000 Like, there was a...
01:19:18.000 I used to live on...
01:19:19.000 I've lived all over this town, but Santa Monica and Gardner.
01:19:22.000 There's an Astro Burger right there.
01:19:24.000 Yeah.
01:19:25.000 I lived right there behind the Fat Burger.
01:19:27.000 And there was a house there that notoriously had been... 0.99
01:19:30.000 Like, tweakers, like, kicked the door down and came in and were just fucking, like, tied the whole family up and shit and robbed them with their money. 0.99
01:19:36.000 Because that's all they want, is they want money to buy more crank. 0.99
01:19:39.000 Right.
01:19:39.000 That's essentially the deal.
01:19:41.000 But they end up fucking killing people and all kinds of shit over it, you know? 1.00
01:19:44.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:19:45.000 Yeah, well, you know, they think, well, we're going to get caught. 1.00
01:19:48.000 Kill these people. 1.00
01:19:48.000 Fuck it. 1.00
01:19:49.000 We'll never get caught that way. 1.00
01:19:50.000 Yeah, man.
01:19:51.000 They're not seeing a bunch of steps ahead.
01:19:53.000 Yeah, for sure.
01:19:54.000 People are terrified of Crank.
01:19:56.000 They're terrified of meth.
01:19:57.000 They're terrified of anything that makes people maniacs.
01:19:59.000 That's the big fear.
01:20:01.000 Yeah, the bath salts craze.
01:20:02.000 That guy who chewed the dude's face off and it turns out he wasn't on bath salts.
01:20:06.000 Well, he was...
01:20:07.000 Here's the thing.
01:20:08.000 They say, oh, all they found in the system was marijuana.
01:20:11.000 The real problem is they don't have tests for bath salts.
01:20:13.000 For bath salts.
01:20:14.000 So when they say...
01:20:14.000 That's a huge issue in Kentucky.
01:20:17.000 My friend...
01:20:18.000 Because, see, Crank is now getting to where it's, like, too expensive.
01:20:20.000 And the coal miners... 0.98
01:20:22.000 The coal miners... 0.98
01:20:23.000 You know, the tests for amphetamines show up in their system.
01:20:26.000 So the coal miners want it. 0.99
01:20:27.000 And that's why they...
01:20:28.000 That bath salts thing started.
01:20:31.000 Because the...
01:20:32.000 From what I heard, one of the regions, I guess, was that...
01:20:35.000 The coal miners were doing that and it wouldn't show up on the test. 1.00
01:20:38.000 They'd fucking smoke or snort a bunch of that shit and go down in the fucking coal mines and fucking work for like three days straight. 1.00
01:20:44.000 It makes sense. 1.00
01:20:47.000 What they do apparently is they take a drug, whether it's meth or something along those lines, and then they alter it slightly.
01:20:54.000 So it doesn't show up in a test, but it still has some pretty significant response on the human body.
01:21:01.000 And then they sell it as not for human consumption.
01:21:03.000 Bath salts.
01:21:04.000 Like, I didn't understand it.
01:21:05.000 I thought it was just, like, people had figured out that bath salts make you high when you do them.
01:21:10.000 Like, there's something weird about the bath salts.
01:21:11.000 You're snoring.
01:21:12.000 But no, they're selling them as bath salts.
01:21:15.000 As bath salts.
01:21:15.000 Because that's the way you could sell it.
01:21:17.000 Yeah, there's fake pot, too, that they sell as, like, something like that.
01:21:20.000 And I tried smoking that one time.
01:21:21.000 Super bad for you.
01:21:21.000 And it was terrible.
01:21:23.000 It was, like, just gave me a headache instantly, you know?
01:21:25.000 You could have smoked a cookie and probably...
01:21:28.000 It done less damage.
01:21:30.000 I have to say, I'm a foodie too in all this, and while we're on this, I don't know why I popped in my head, but there was a tweet you sent out that I saved the photograph and I look at it. 0.97
01:21:39.000 When you had like seven eggs, and it was clearly a little butter in the pan too, and I cooked too, and I was looking at this fucking thing, and I was like, God...
01:21:46.000 I could eat that all day and all night, but the fact that you have that photograph, the seven eggs, I have it in my phone right now. 0.95
01:21:52.000 Well, I have 24 chickens.
01:21:54.000 Really?
01:21:54.000 Yeah.
01:21:55.000 So those are all fresh eggs that I get from my yard.
01:21:58.000 I love eggs, man.
01:21:59.000 Yeah, it's so great when you can get them.
01:22:00.000 I don't know why I jumped onto that.
01:22:01.000 No, no, no worries, man.
01:22:02.000 And it was like the eggs are, you know, I'm getting them like the day they come out.
01:22:06.000 They come out of the chicken, boom, I'm frying them.
01:22:09.000 Wow.
01:22:09.000 And it's a dark, like an orange yolk.
01:22:12.000 If I go to a restaurant, a diner, and I order some eggs, and you look at the yolk, you're like, what did you guys feed your chickens?
01:22:18.000 Paper?
01:22:19.000 There's nothing in this yolk. 0.99
01:22:22.000 I think I have the fucking photograph. 0.99
01:22:24.000 You saved the photo of my eggs. 0.99
01:22:25.000 I did, I did.
01:22:26.000 I know I saved it.
01:22:27.000 It's in here somewhere.
01:22:28.000 Well, I've been eating nothing but farm-fresh eggs or yard-fresh eggs for the past year.
01:22:35.000 My goal is, by the end of this year, to have all the meat in my house be wild game that I've killed, and all our eggs be the chickens.
01:22:43.000 Do you go hunting a lot?
01:22:44.000 Yeah.
01:22:45.000 It's funny, I've never been hunting.
01:22:47.000 Really?
01:22:47.000 Yeah, I'm a computer nerd, like I was as a kid.
01:22:49.000 My dad, we went out shooting one time.
01:22:52.000 I did quail hunting with my buddy when I was a kid. 0.99
01:22:56.000 You know, they go out in the field and everybody's shooting at the fucking... 1.00
01:22:59.000 Birds and shit. 1.00
01:23:00.000 But I've never even been hunting. 0.99
01:23:03.000 I mean, it's never been my thing.
01:23:05.000 I like guns.
01:23:06.000 I've gone shooting guns and things like that, but I've just never really done it.
01:23:11.000 Would you be into doing it? 0.96
01:23:12.000 I mean, I can tell you, there are people around me like, I can never fucking blow a deer's brains out or whatever. 0.64
01:23:19.000 But I mean, I would go with you. 0.96
01:23:22.000 I'm not opposed to going hunting.
01:23:24.000 So you would go, but you wouldn't pull the trigger?
01:23:26.000 I don't know if I would pull it.
01:23:27.000 I've never done it.
01:23:29.000 I've never killed an animal with a gun.
01:23:30.000 Have you ever had venison?
01:23:31.000 Oh, I love it.
01:23:33.000 I love the taste of it.
01:23:33.000 It only comes from killing deer.
01:23:35.000 You've got to kill them. 1.00
01:23:35.000 No, I know. 1.00
01:23:36.000 I know that.
01:23:36.000 I'm just saying, you know what I mean?
01:23:37.000 But there are certain people that are like, and my wife would never go hunting.
01:23:43.000 I have lots of friends that would probably be like, I don't know if I could do it.
01:23:46.000 I would go.
01:23:47.000 I've got no problem with it.
01:23:48.000 I think that there's so many good things that come from hunting.
01:23:51.000 And I love that when people say that they hunt their own meat and And eat it and all that.
01:23:57.000 I'm just saying I've never done it.
01:23:59.000 I mean, people think that I'm like a Harley riding, like, they think I'm tall, first of all. 0.99
01:24:03.000 And second of all, they think that I'm like into hunting and like all this redneck shit. 0.96
01:24:07.000 And I've been like, I'm a computer geek that moved to LA when I was 20. You know what I mean? 0.99
01:24:11.000 That's it.
01:24:12.000 But you sing country music.
01:24:14.000 Your dad is one of the great country music icons of all time.
01:24:16.000 I know.
01:24:17.000 But he didn't really hunt or do anything like that either.
01:24:19.000 He had a gun collection of Civil War era guns and stuff.
01:24:22.000 Oh, wow.
01:24:23.000 He's into that kind of stuff.
01:24:25.000 Very into history and stuff.
01:24:27.000 In his own way, he was kind of nerdy.
01:24:29.000 He forgot from being from Texas and being who he was.
01:24:33.000 But he was just kind of into history and things like that.
01:24:36.000 But we went hunting with Hank Jr. one time.
01:24:39.000 And neither one of us hit nothing.
01:24:40.000 We would go fishing every once in a while.
01:24:42.000 Tony Joe White is a great artist who used to take us fishing.
01:24:46.000 My dad said he had a curse.
01:24:47.000 He could never catch anything.
01:24:49.000 I went fishing with Johnny Cash one time, too.
01:24:51.000 Wow.
01:24:51.000 Which is kind of funny.
01:24:52.000 But I was a kid and we didn't catch anything.
01:24:53.000 You went fishing with Johnny Cash. 1.00
01:24:56.000 Holy shit. 0.99
01:24:56.000 And Johnny had a bunch of fish that he'd already caught. 0.99
01:24:59.000 And he had them rigged somewhere so he was going to try and make it where my dad would actually think he caught something because he could never go through it.
01:25:07.000 We weren't real outdoorsy people.
01:25:10.000 Let's just say it that way.
01:25:11.000 I watched way more horror movies with my dad.
01:25:14.000 He used to wake me up in the middle of the night and say, there's a scary movie on TV. And I'd go downstairs.
01:25:18.000 I was like six or seven.
01:25:19.000 I'd go downstairs.
01:25:20.000 Proceed to, like, get petrified by some horrible movie that a six-year-old shouldn't watch.
01:25:25.000 That's hilarious.
01:25:26.000 That was kind of more of our activity.
01:25:28.000 Listen to music and watch movies.
01:25:30.000 It's funny, isn't it, that country music is inexorably connected to, like, hunting and fishing.
01:25:35.000 Yeah, well, I mean, naturally, I guess, you know, because of the era and the, like, you know, if you go back a little bit, I mean, not very far from my dad's generation, him growing up and all the...
01:25:46.000 All of the Grand Ole Opry and all that.
01:25:48.000 I mean, all those guys were into that.
01:25:50.000 They all lived in the woods.
01:25:52.000 Nashville, and let's not even say Nashville, even all of the Southeast was far, far more undeveloped.
01:26:00.000 So back then, it was really country folks.
01:26:03.000 Country music, they would roll their windows up when they'd listen to it because it was frowned upon.
01:26:07.000 It was like a poor people's music. 0.99
01:26:09.000 So a lot of the people in the South and stuff, it's inevitably tied into that, of course.
01:26:14.000 But I mean...
01:26:15.000 It's funny because now, if they're critical of...
01:26:18.000 I don't represent myself pretending to be anything I'm not, but if someone was ever critical of the fact that I live in LA and I'm not a country boy and I play country style music, it's like, do you guys really think that Jason Aldean and these new country guys that are so big,
01:26:34.000 you really think those guys' daily existence is...
01:26:37.000 Tailgate parties and hunting and things like that. 1.00
01:26:39.000 You guys are fucking retarded because they're shopping for shoes on Melrose. 1.00
01:26:43.000 That's what it's like. 1.00
01:26:44.000 Getting caught cheating at the Cabo Cantina.
01:26:48.000 Do you know what I'm saying?
01:26:50.000 Shopping for shoes on Melrose!
01:26:52.000 I don't know, man.
01:26:53.000 These make me look country.
01:26:55.000 Man, these jeans are perfectly pre-torn.
01:27:00.000 Yeah, right?
01:27:02.000 Perfectly pre-torn is the worst. 1.00
01:27:04.000 God, it's so fucking stupid. 1.00
01:27:06.000 There's nothing stupider than wearing jeans that already have holes in them built in. 1.00
01:27:10.000 It's so dumb. 1.00
01:27:11.000 Yeah, of course it's so dumb. 1.00
01:27:12.000 But it's something that everybody wants. 0.98
01:27:14.000 They want to, like, already be worn in, you know?
01:27:17.000 They want to pretend that, like, I've had these jeans for a decade.
01:27:21.000 They want to pretend that they've been, you know, really wearing an outfit.
01:27:25.000 Yeah, but they don't even look remotely, like, uniformly worn.
01:27:29.000 Like, when people have those jeans that have holes in the knees, like, it's obvious you didn't get those holes working.
01:27:36.000 Yeah.
01:27:36.000 Like, all the rest of the jeans, perfect.
01:27:39.000 You just got stupid, like, what a weird thing to become a style. 1.00
01:27:43.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:27:44.000 Holes in your clothes is a style.
01:27:46.000 Yeah, I know.
01:27:47.000 It's like, see, in my jeans, like, I don't, I'm the worst, like, I don't wash my jeans, like, I wear them for months.
01:27:52.000 Yeah.
01:27:54.000 And, like, they literally get holes worn in them, like, because of that.
01:27:58.000 Like, I'll get them in the knees sometimes.
01:28:00.000 I walk on the back of them, so, like, the backs of them are, like, ripped.
01:28:03.000 Right.
01:28:04.000 Do you know what I mean? 0.81
01:28:04.000 And so, like, I eventually get holes in them because they're just old and shitty, but it's so funny, man. 0.81
01:28:10.000 It's like, there's, like, all these weird styles right now that are just, like... 0.56
01:28:14.000 What is happening?
01:28:15.000 Like those affliction kind of thing that was going on.
01:28:18.000 Like all those Nashville guys were wearing that.
01:28:20.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:28:20.000 Like all the tribally looking shit. 1.00
01:28:21.000 Yeah, skulls and... 0.99
01:28:23.000 Yeah, but not like cool looking shirts like your shirt.
01:28:26.000 That's a monkey. 0.52
01:28:28.000 That's a chimp with a mushroom in his mouth. 0.97
01:28:30.000 That's my own line, actually.
01:28:32.000 Really?
01:28:32.000 Yeah, higherprimate.com.
01:28:34.000 This shirt is based on Terrence McKenna's stoned ape theory, that lower hominids ate mushrooms, and then they had this ideal of nuclear power and spirituality.
01:28:44.000 Yeah, that's what this shirt represents.
01:28:47.000 Interesting.
01:28:48.000 Yeah, McKenna had this bizarre idea. 0.99
01:28:50.000 It's an interesting idea that his brother, Dennis McKenna, who's still alive, is a fascinating guy himself, actually substantiated with science in a way that's way better than I ever could.
01:29:02.000 If you want to listen to the first podcast that I did with Dennis McKenna, he explains the actual effect that psilocybin has on the mind and why it would facilitate the construction of language.
01:29:16.000 What McKenna's theory was that what happened to lower primates is that somewhere around a million plus years ago when Over a period of two million years,
01:29:31.000 the size of the human brain doubled.
01:29:34.000 And that's like a very substantial event in biology.
01:29:39.000 And they really have no idea what caused human beings to become so much more intelligent than they were previous.
01:29:45.000 And his theory is that this is at the same time that the...
01:29:51.000 These tropical rainforests receded into grasslands.
01:29:55.000 Climate change forced these tropical rainforests to become grasslands.
01:30:00.000 And these monkeys climbed down off trees and started experimenting with various food sources, different things.
01:30:07.000 And one of the things they do is they start flipping over cow patties. 0.66
01:30:10.000 And they find bugs and worms and shit to eat underneath them.
01:30:14.000 But there was also things growing on the cow patties.
01:30:16.000 And those things were psilocybin mushrooms.
01:30:18.000 Not cows in the jungle, though.
01:30:20.000 Grasslands.
01:30:21.000 They had seceded into grasslands.
01:30:23.000 The climate had changed, and rainforests had become grasslands.
01:30:28.000 That's fascinating.
01:30:29.000 And so these apes...
01:30:30.000 The monkeys ate mushrooms.
01:30:31.000 Exactly.
01:30:32.000 And then got smarter.
01:30:34.000 Yeah, and there's a bunch of different reasons why, besides the facilitation of language, which is the very specific reaction that psilocybin has on the human mind, and why Dennis McKenna described it very well.
01:30:46.000 I can't really repeat what he said.
01:30:47.000 I'm not smart enough.
01:30:48.000 I don't remember it either.
01:30:51.000 What McKenna also said was that psilocybin in low doses increases visual acuity.
01:30:57.000 It sharpens edges.
01:30:59.000 It makes you be able to see things better.
01:31:01.000 It makes you hornier, so it would make you see better and make you hornier.
01:31:05.000 If you see better, you'd probably be more aware of things.
01:31:08.000 You'd probably be a better hunter. 1.00
01:31:09.000 If you're hornier, you'd fuck more. 1.00
01:31:10.000 So the mushroom-eating monkeys would have a biological advantage over the non-mushroom-eating monkeys. 1.00
01:31:18.000 Well, you do know if a bunch of monkeys are walking around and one of them eats mushrooms, and all of a sudden he's like, you know they're going to be like, dudes, you guys got to try this shit. 0.98
01:31:27.000 It's like that.
01:31:28.000 Out of all the things that make sense as far as looking at the effects that a substance has on the body, what would cause massive consumption of the substance over a long period of time, like 2 million years?
01:31:43.000 What would cause direct changes to the human body?
01:31:46.000 What would cause direct changes to the actual function of the mind?
01:31:50.000 Psilocybin is like number one.
01:31:52.000 It's so common.
01:31:53.000 It's everywhere. 1.00
01:31:54.000 It grows out of cow shit. 1.00
01:31:56.000 It's totally edible. 1.00
01:31:58.000 You're hungry.
01:31:59.000 You can eat it. 0.97
01:32:00.000 You eat it, you trip balls. 0.91
01:32:01.000 You trip balls, you think about things, you develop language, you develop...
01:32:05.000 Have you done DMT? Oh yeah. 0.87
01:32:07.000 I've never done it, and I'm dying to try it.
01:32:10.000 Do you know who Sturgill Simpson is?
01:32:11.000 No.
01:32:12.000 You should check out his record.
01:32:13.000 There's a record, it's new, and he has a song called Turtles All the Way Down.
01:32:17.000 Oh, I've heard about this.
01:32:19.000 It's about DMT, right?
01:32:20.000 Well, apparently he did a bunch of DMT when he was doing the record and was just like, yeah, that song itself talks about DMT and psilocybin and stuff in it.
01:32:29.000 But it's like real old school country.
01:32:31.000 That tattoo's a DMT molecule.
01:32:34.000 Really?
01:32:34.000 I didn't know this about you.
01:32:36.000 See, I've never experienced it, and I'm so into all that, too.
01:32:41.000 We can make that happen.
01:32:41.000 Oh, dude, let's get together and do DMT. Shh.
01:32:43.000 Don't say it on the radio.
01:32:44.000 Okay, I won't.
01:32:44.000 I promise I won't bring any crank.
01:32:48.000 Well, DMT is one of the weirdest ones, too, because you can never be tested for it.
01:32:52.000 I mean, they would have to catch you when you're full-blown.
01:32:55.000 I've never had that kind of an experience with anything.
01:32:57.000 I've done mushrooms before, and I laughed a lot.
01:32:59.000 I've done acid.
01:33:00.000 I didn't really see anything.
01:33:01.000 But I'm very fascinated with the peyote kind of experience and all that, and I've never had it. 0.52
01:33:09.000 Sturgill's like, you gotta try it, dude.
01:33:11.000 DMT is mushrooms times a million plus aliens.
01:33:14.000 That's what it is.
01:33:15.000 Yeah, what's the deal with the aliens with DMT? Well, there's something that happens when you take DMT where you pass through, visually or spiritually, whether it's real or...
01:33:26.000 Dimensions.
01:33:27.000 You pass through into some new space.
01:33:29.000 And when you're in some new space, what's weird about DMT... Is this all in your head with your eyes shut?
01:33:33.000 Yes, your eyes are shut. 0.99
01:33:34.000 But if you open your eyes, you're going to see some crazy shit, too. 1.00
01:33:37.000 You'll see some crazy shit, though, that's also... 0.99
01:33:39.000 You're better off keeping your eyes closed, though, because then you'll get sort of a full representation of what's going on and what you're seeing. 0.98
01:33:46.000 When your eyes are open, your eyes are taking in the physical world, like what you're seeing in front of you, and you're trying to combine the two of them, and it's very baffling and confusing.
01:33:55.000 So it's better to just shut your eyes.
01:33:56.000 Silent darkness.
01:33:57.000 Close your eyes, take it, and then just close your eyes and lay back and you go on the craziest trip.
01:34:04.000 It's impossible for anything to be stronger.
01:34:08.000 It's impossible for anything to be a more potent hallucination because it seems more real than reality itself.
01:34:15.000 Like, once you do DMT, the weirdest thing about it is, coming back, like, regular reality is so dry and dull.
01:34:23.000 It's like, that's more real.
01:34:24.000 Like, it's more, you feel it, you also feel, if this makes any sense, you feel the experience in your essence.
01:34:32.000 Wow.
01:34:32.000 In your essence as a human being.
01:34:34.000 And it sticks with you after. 1.00
01:34:35.000 Fuck, man. 1.00
01:34:36.000 I've had trips that stuck with me for five or six years, where every day I would think about that trip for five or six years. 1.00
01:34:42.000 Wow, man.
01:34:44.000 I'm very fascinated by this, man.
01:34:46.000 Well, it's the very components of the brain itself.
01:34:51.000 The very human neurotransmitters that power thinking, that work inside your mind.
01:34:58.000 These are endogenous chemicals.
01:35:01.000 It's not like something that's alien to the human body that you put in and it has this crazy effect.
01:35:07.000 No, DMT is actually produced by your body itself.
01:35:10.000 So when you add it, when you take it and smoke it, your body already knows what it is.
01:35:14.000 That's one of the reasons why it's so transient.
01:35:18.000 When you take it, you have this extreme high, you have this wild ride of hallucinations and experiences or whatever it is.
01:35:26.000 And how long does it last?
01:35:27.000 That's the crazy thing.
01:35:27.000 15 minutes max.
01:35:29.000 Wow.
01:35:29.000 I did salve it one time, which kind of was like a short thing, but that was nothing.
01:35:33.000 More if you do it intravenously.
01:35:35.000 If you do it intravenously, it can last like a half hour or more.
01:35:37.000 Really?
01:35:38.000 Yeah, like Rick Strassman, who was the guy who...
01:35:41.000 He was one of the first guys to get federal...
01:35:44.000 He got federal permission, the DEA's permission, to do these research studies on dimethyltryptamine intravenously in patients.
01:35:54.000 He did it at the University of New Mexico, and they did several of these, and then he wrote a book on it called DMT, the spirit molecule, where...
01:36:03.000 These people had these incredible, incredible experiences while on this intravenous dimethyltryptamine, and repeatable experiences that would go to these, and very, very, very much mirrored the alien abduction experiences that people would talk about, like being taken aboard alien spacecrafts and being brought to alien places and alien lands,
01:36:23.000 like very, very similar.
01:36:24.000 Reptiles.
01:36:25.000 Yeah, so he started connecting dimethyltryptamine and endogenous dumps of dimethyltryptamine to alien abduction experiences, and that's what he thinks that's all about.
01:36:33.000 He thinks all of these people that have these, like, I woke up in the middle of the night, I was on a spaceship, your brain just dumped a bunch of DMT in, and somehow or another you got caught in the middle of this world of being awake.
01:36:46.000 And dreaming.
01:36:47.000 So your body, when you're dreaming, is essentially producing something that's causing you to hallucinate.
01:36:53.000 The speculation is that that's DMT as well.
01:36:56.000 They haven't totally proven that yet, but they're pretty sure.
01:37:00.000 They've already proven that DMT is produced by the pineal gland.
01:37:04.000 That was a long time.
01:37:06.000 That was speculation.
01:37:06.000 But they've proven that in live rats.
01:37:09.000 That live rats actually produce DMT in that gland.
01:37:12.000 Really?
01:37:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00
01:37:13.000 It's all pretty trippy, trippy, trippy shit. 1.00
01:37:15.000 That is very fascinating. 0.99
01:37:17.000 I mean, like I said, I honestly haven't...
01:37:21.000 I'm dying to do it.
01:37:24.000 I've just never done it.
01:37:25.000 I'm just into that, man.
01:37:27.000 I'm into that experience.
01:37:28.000 I'm into that, like, going to the next level.
01:37:31.000 Oh, sweet.
01:37:32.000 Yeah, it's one of the weirdest ones.
01:37:36.000 Because it's in so many different plants.
01:37:39.000 It's not like you have to go and get a pomegranate from Brazil and that's the only way you get this.
01:37:45.000 What's the...
01:37:46.000 Ayahuasca.
01:37:48.000 Ayahuasca.
01:37:49.000 Ayahuasca is essentially the way they figure it out. 0.99
01:37:52.000 The altered states and all that shit. 0.97
01:37:53.000 Yeah, like the movie, yeah. 0.97
01:37:55.000 Well, what ayahuasca is is an orally active form of DMT. Because DMT, when you smoke it, it goes directly into your blood supply.
01:38:03.000 But DMT is in so many different plants that if you got it from eating it, you would be tripping your balls out every time you have a salad.
01:38:11.000 Yeah.
01:38:12.000 Because grass has it in it, a lot of different, thousands of different plants have it in it.
01:38:16.000 So because of that, your body produces chemicals that mitigate that.
01:38:21.000 One of them is called monoamine oxidase.
01:38:23.000 And monoamine oxidase is produced in your gut.
01:38:26.000 So when the Amazon shamans figure out how to give people DMT with a...
01:38:33.000 Say in modern...
01:38:34.000 Like today, in the United States, in the modern chemical world, there's scientists that have figured out how to synthesize pure DMT. So they take it from plants or, you know, from various chemicals and they synthesize pure DMT. You smoke it.
01:38:49.000 It goes right in your bloodstream.
01:38:50.000 It's pure DMT. But you can't do that in the Amazon.
01:38:54.000 So what they figured out how to do is make an orally active version of it.
01:38:58.000 So what it is is they combine the leaves of one plant.
01:39:01.000 With the roots of another, and one of them being Haramine, which is a natural MAO inhibitor.
01:39:07.000 So it's a monoamine oxidase inhibitor that they mix in.
01:39:10.000 So it's like a DMT trip, but it's not quite as intense.
01:39:15.000 It's a slow-release, longer version that's very hallucinogenic and very spiritual in a lot of ways, but I've only done the big one. 0.99
01:39:25.000 The big one is the smoking DMT is you get shot through a cannon to the center of the fucking universe. 0.97
01:39:33.000 The way I describe it is you're communicating with complex geometric patterns that are made out of love and understanding. 0.99
01:39:40.000 Man, that's so funny because I've heard the geometrics thing.
01:39:44.000 I'm a big studier of sacred geometry and all these kind of things.
01:39:49.000 I'm very fascinated by this.
01:39:51.000 I'm very fascinated.
01:39:52.000 Oh, I'm so fascinated by geometry.
01:39:54.000 Sacred geometry and fractals and all those different...
01:39:57.000 When you look at just the nature of the universe itself, just the nature of cellular life, subatomic particles, atoms becoming individuals, individuals being a part of a group of individuals that live on a planet, the planet being a part of the galaxy,
01:40:12.000 the galaxy being a part of the universe, on and on and on and on and on.
01:40:16.000 It seems like there's a fractal geometric nature to life itself.
01:40:21.000 The Fibonacci sequence that describes the way sunflower seeds are developed, the way a nautilus shell looks, the way so many different plants grow.
01:40:31.000 There's all this weird sort of fractal mathematical nature to the world itself.
01:40:37.000 The tree of life, the 33...
01:40:41.000 There's so many things that I'm so fascinated with that...
01:40:45.000 I feel like when you unlock those kind of things in your mind and you're into that stuff...
01:40:49.000 There's a great book called Gateway to the Gods that I read.
01:40:51.000 I don't know how I ran across this book, but it's about this guy.
01:40:55.000 It's about a lot of psychogeometry.
01:40:58.000 It really deals with, in the Bible, the Watchers and the Nephilim and the concept that angels were actually...
01:41:08.000 We're good to go.
01:41:27.000 On so much of this probably has enhanced your trip when you do it.
01:41:32.000 Probably.
01:41:34.000 Are you able to focus on what you're looking at or whatever you're seeing in your mind?
01:41:39.000 So hard.
01:41:40.000 It's so crazy and it changes every second.
01:41:43.000 Every second you look at it, it becomes something even more impossible.
01:41:46.000 That's the weirdest thing about it.
01:41:48.000 You can't believe you're seeing something that's like this.
01:41:51.000 Like, how is this possible?
01:41:53.000 Aren't there beings that more than one person have seen and they all describe them as the same?
01:42:00.000 See, it's hard.
01:42:01.000 Did you do that?
01:42:01.000 See, my trips have been different every time I've done it.
01:42:05.000 That's one of the weirdest things about it is...
01:42:08.000 Someone's saying that they've seen the same things that I've seen.
01:42:10.000 I'm not even sure I could tell you what I saw.
01:42:12.000 I can tell you what I can remember about what I saw, but one of the weirdest aspects of it is that it's impossible.
01:42:19.000 When you're seeing it, this isn't real.
01:42:21.000 This can't be possible that I can actually see this.
01:42:25.000 One of my trips, one of the most profound ones, it was almost like children that were in this dimension.
01:42:34.000 Children that were infinitely more intelligent than me, but behaved like children and communicated like children.
01:42:39.000 And they would say, I love you 600,500,000 times.
01:42:44.000 Something like a kid would say.
01:42:46.000 Like, I love you infinity.
01:42:47.000 I love you 50,700,000. 1.00
01:42:51.000 That kind of shit. 1.00
01:42:52.000 They would say that, and then they would go, look at this! 1.00
01:42:55.000 And they kept saying, look at this.
01:42:56.000 And every time they would say, look at this, they would show you something that was so impossibly beautiful, like tears were flowing down my face.
01:43:04.000 Because I was conscious.
01:43:05.000 I had my eyes closed and I was seeing this and I was conscious, but I was crying because it was so beautiful.
01:43:10.000 And then they would say it again, I love you 600 million, 500,000 times.
01:43:15.000 Look at this!
01:43:16.000 And then they would show you something even more insane, like a million times more insane than what you just saw.
01:43:21.000 What were they showing you?
01:43:21.000 Didn't make any sense.
01:43:23.000 You can't describe it.
01:43:25.000 The fractal nature of the universe embodied in imagery, which also had meaning and love connected to it.
01:43:34.000 So when you're seeing it, you weren't just seeing something beautiful, but you were feeling it.
01:43:39.000 And it was like, almost like it was running through your soul, like it was cleansing you as you saw it.
01:43:43.000 Like everything that I saw made me, every time I saw it, every new thing made me love people more, made me love life more, made me more appreciative, made me want to hug more.
01:43:54.000 And then I thought that was over, and they would go, look at this!
01:43:56.000 And then you'd get hit with a new wave.
01:43:58.000 And it was just overwhelming.
01:43:59.000 I'm just crying.
01:44:00.000 I couldn't hold it in.
01:44:02.000 It was just so unbelievably intense.
01:44:05.000 Have you ever had a negative experience?
01:44:06.000 No.
01:44:07.000 Not on DMT, no.
01:44:08.000 I've had negative experiences in that DMT has sort of exposed that I was maybe a little out of control in my life, like maybe too stressed out or maybe taking too much time. 0.73
01:44:21.000 Devoted too much time to work and bullshit-related things. 0.73
01:44:24.000 It really didn't matter. 0.99
01:44:26.000 The negative aspect was after it was over, I was like, hey, I need to just fucking chill out.
01:44:31.000 I need to just smell the daisies.
01:44:33.000 I need to just enjoy this experience.
01:44:38.000 Wow.
01:44:39.000 15 minutes, huh?
01:44:41.000 I've never had a negative experience in that while I was in it.
01:44:44.000 I was like, this is negative.
01:44:45.000 But I've seen it.
01:44:46.000 I've seen people freak out.
01:44:47.000 Have you been with someone that freaked out?
01:44:49.000 Yeah, my friend Eddie freaked the fuck out the first time he did it.
01:44:52.000 But I think it was because he was trying to control it.
01:44:54.000 You can't control it.
01:44:56.000 You can't.
01:44:56.000 You can't say, I'm going to pull myself out of this and sober up.
01:44:59.000 Good luck.
01:45:00.000 You have to give in.
01:45:01.000 You have to be willing to give in.
01:45:04.000 That's the thing, man.
01:45:05.000 I think you and I are a lot alike in that way.
01:45:08.000 It's like...
01:45:10.000 You know, I want something more out of this experience.
01:45:13.000 Like, I love life.
01:45:15.000 Like, I'm a positive guy.
01:45:16.000 I've got two kids who I love.
01:45:18.000 I love the time with them, you know, everything like that. 0.97
01:45:20.000 And that's why it's like, I'm so fascinated with like the, I don't believe all the bullshit on the media. 0.99
01:45:26.000 And I don't believe all the fucking, you know, all the shit that we've been talking about this whole show. 0.99
01:45:30.000 Like, that's why I'm into the Bitcoin thing, which we haven't even gotten into. 0.99
01:45:32.000 And I mine those things.
01:45:34.000 I'm into the technology of it.
01:45:35.000 You're mining them, huh?
01:45:36.000 I mine them.
01:45:37.000 Yeah, I do.
01:45:38.000 I mean, I'm just into the technology of it.
01:45:39.000 I'm into the programming side of it and the cryptology and all that.
01:45:46.000 But I am into...
01:45:50.000 Understanding the full aspect of life while I'm here.
01:45:53.000 And it's like, I'm fascinated by religions.
01:45:56.000 And my mom, I was raised Christian.
01:45:58.000 My mom's that way. 0.84
01:45:59.000 Like, you know, it's hard for me to say that I'm not a church-going kind of guy.
01:46:05.000 But it's like, I believe when you're here, if you can leave being good, you know, having been a good guy, that's the thing.
01:46:13.000 But I'm into the knowledge.
01:46:15.000 I'm into the, like... 0.99
01:46:17.000 Discovering where things come from and studying the Egyptians and studying the fucking artwork. 0.97
01:46:24.000 I'm just into it, so that's why I like to make DMT. If I could travel to other dimensions and party with reptiles, I would do it right now. 0.97
01:46:33.000 You can!
01:46:33.000 Well, you can with DMT. I don't know about reptiles.
01:46:36.000 I've never seen a reptile wall on it, but I've seen things that are somehow or another consciousness or appear to be conscious or are representations of your own consciousness in some sort of a much pure, much greater form.
01:46:51.000 But you know who else wasn't a church-going person?
01:46:54.000 Jesus.
01:46:55.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:46:56.000 Jesus didn't have a fucking church. 1.00
01:46:58.000 That's true. 1.00
01:46:59.000 Churches are human creations.
01:47:01.000 And humans...
01:47:02.000 The problem with any sort of power structure, any top-down power structure, is that people want to contain...
01:47:09.000 Once they have power, they want to retain that power.
01:47:12.000 They want to contain the people, contain the ideologies of the people that are involved in that group.
01:47:16.000 And then...
01:47:17.000 You know, to have an open-minded, completely open situation where you have a group but there's no structure to it and everyone's just loving and able to do whatever they want.
01:47:26.000 There's no one person that's the leader.
01:47:28.000 No, that's not what we do.
01:47:29.000 Human beings, everything sort of falls into that weird alpha male monkey category where there's one person that talks and everyone else listens.
01:47:38.000 And that's what you find in churches.
01:47:39.000 That's what you find at political rallies.
01:47:42.000 That's what you find when the president gives a speech on television.
01:47:45.000 There's the one, and then there's the listeners.
01:47:47.000 And it's not a dialogue.
01:47:49.000 It's one person talks, and everyone comes in and sits down.
01:47:53.000 Open up to page 324. We're going to read from the gospel.
01:47:56.000 But there's just one person that's doing this.
01:47:59.000 It's one person that's guiding this whole thing.
01:48:01.000 And that's sort of...
01:48:02.000 Contrary to the very nature of a cooperative and open group of humans, a community.
01:48:10.000 And that's also the best way to control people, to ensure that this one person disseminates the rules, this one person gets to talk, and this one person keeps everybody under control.
01:48:20.000 The preacher's here.
01:48:20.000 Everyone.
01:48:21.000 All rise.
01:48:22.000 Tom Cruise is here.
01:48:22.000 The honorable judge is here.
01:48:24.000 Court.
01:48:25.000 Court itself. 1.00
01:48:26.000 You have to stand up on this asshole who's wearing robes. 1.00
01:48:28.000 Why are you wearing robes, man? 1.00
01:48:30.000 You can't give the law out with a t-shirt and jeans on.
01:48:34.000 You have to wear special fancy clothes in order to understand the law.
01:48:39.000 The wig.
01:48:40.000 The powdered wigs.
01:48:40.000 The powdered wigs.
01:48:41.000 Crazy, curly, white wigs. 1.00
01:48:44.000 People are mad. 1.00
01:48:45.000 They're mad.
01:48:45.000 And they're also running on momentum.
01:48:49.000 Of an ignorant past running on the momentum, essentially, of people that used to write shit down on animal skins. 0.99
01:48:55.000 That same momentum is still propelling society today. 1.00
01:48:59.000 Oh, yeah, man.
01:48:59.000 Yeah, and it's...
01:49:00.000 Yeah, you're right.
01:49:02.000 You're right.
01:49:03.000 We could get into that forever because I've, you know, just conceptually, the way that the control is, you know, doled out, it's pretty...
01:49:12.000 I mean, it's pretty easy.
01:49:15.000 It's pretty mathematical.
01:49:17.000 One plus one equals two.
01:49:18.000 Like, you just... 0.94
01:49:19.000 Like I was saying, keep everybody poor, keep everybody uneducated, and then convince them that if they don't do what we want them to do, they're going to burn in hell.
01:49:28.000 Yeah, even better than poor, now they have a new thing.
01:49:30.000 It's called being in debt.
01:49:32.000 Everyone's in debt.
01:49:32.000 It's way better than poor.
01:49:34.000 Because poor, you can just deal with being poor.
01:49:36.000 But debt, you can't stop working.
01:49:39.000 You owe money.
01:49:40.000 You're not even.
01:49:41.000 Yeah, that's true.
01:49:42.000 That's exactly it, man.
01:49:44.000 It's like, you know...
01:49:45.000 Separate the family.
01:49:46.000 You were getting into Bright Eyes, that band?
01:49:49.000 Bright Eyes?
01:49:49.000 No.
01:49:50.000 Connor Oberst, have you ever heard of him?
01:49:52.000 No.
01:49:54.000 Those guys, they have a great record called The People's Key, but the opening...
01:49:59.000 The opening thing is this guy.
01:50:02.000 I don't even know who it is.
01:50:03.000 He's talking about exactly what we're talking about and how they control the masses and stuff.
01:50:08.000 Man, that's a great speech in the beginning of this thing.
01:50:10.000 But, you know, it's like keeping the mom and dad separate because they both have to work.
01:50:15.000 You make it so hard for a normal, lower-income family to even be together so that you can disseminate information to each one of them exactly like you want to, and they don't have a lot of time together.
01:50:27.000 You know, that's a big part of it.
01:50:29.000 And it's so insane.
01:50:30.000 It just is insane.
01:50:33.000 And it's just like the wages and the way they control that and the people who make the money.
01:50:37.000 It's like the banking thing.
01:50:39.000 This is why the Bitcoin thing is so brilliant.
01:50:42.000 I mean, you know, you talked to Andreas, who's like the man, but...
01:50:48.000 Andres Antonopoulos, who, we were talking about this before the podcast, left that Bitcoin community.
01:50:53.000 The Bitcoin Foundation.
01:50:54.000 Yeah, we need to have him on again to find out what that was all about.
01:50:57.000 See, the foundation has never been needed.
01:51:00.000 This is what's weird about it, because the Bitcoin itself is the protocol, so it's like, that's what's brilliant.
01:51:07.000 The foundation was created as something that was supposed to kind of drive the development of it, but it's become a corporation, essentially.
01:51:16.000 You know, it's got to add a lot of negative, but the people who are in charge of it now are even more, more so people are like, they're kind of crooks and shady and, but there's really no need for it.
01:51:27.000 There's no need.
01:51:28.000 There's not like there's a Bitcoin company that people work for, you know, the thing is it's like more like a virus that was set into the world.
01:51:34.000 And then just like the internet was, you know, there's not like the, they're an internet company that there's president of the internet who can decide like, That's the beautiful thing about the internet, isn't it?
01:51:44.000 It is amazing.
01:51:45.000 But that's why they're trying to do this net neutrality thing.
01:51:48.000 It's such a big issue because they're trying to...
01:51:51.000 Right now, Time Warner Cable can already...
01:51:54.000 If they don't like the Joe Rogan show, they can slow down when people go to your site.
01:52:01.000 They can slow it down on purpose.
01:52:03.000 Right. 0.99
01:52:04.000 That's shitty enough already, but with the net neutrality thing they're trying to get rid of, then Time Warner can say, hey, Google, your shit's going to be real slow unless you pay us money. 0.95
01:52:20.000 And so then they're going to start extorting money to go back into their own pocket to actually alter what sites and even blocking sites. 0.94
01:52:29.000 And when Time Warner owns...
01:52:33.000 All the internet...
01:52:34.000 I mean, there's a giant portion of the internet.
01:52:36.000 I don't know what the actual numbers are, but it's over 50% of the service provider.
01:52:41.000 And the service provider can then charge companies and decide what people can see.
01:52:47.000 Then that's like... 0.95
01:52:48.000 The internet is, the purpose of it is you're getting fucked big time, you know what I mean? 0.68
01:52:53.000 Yeah, they're trying to corporatize it. 0.92
01:52:54.000 They're trying to control it the same way they've controlled the airwaves.
01:52:57.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:52:57.000 I mean, like in fucking Egypt, and they cut the internet, you know, and shit like that. 0.99
01:53:03.000 That's what, we're like three steps away from happening, and that's the internet. 0.99
01:53:07.000 The internet is decentralized.
01:53:08.000 There is no one in charge of it, and they know that. 0.94
01:53:11.000 And the reality is, if Time Warner becomes that big of a deal, somebody will come out there and run their own wires and fucking set up their own fucking statewide Wi-Fi, and it'll be fine. 0.96
01:53:23.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:53:25.000 It's just tough, man.
01:53:26.000 But you know that, like, did you ever get into a discussion about Bitcoin about how you can...
01:53:30.000 If I send you money, you can attach a message to it, or you can actually, like, attach a deed, or I could write a song, and it would be in the blockchain, copyrighted.
01:53:39.000 But you can actually embed a message in the transaction, and that the first transaction ever done by the guy who made it had the, like, either Washington Post or, like, Wall Street Journal, the headline was, like...
01:53:54.000 The government approves second bailout for banks.
01:53:57.000 Like, that was encoded in the first transmission, because it was like they're saying, like, enough. 1.00
01:54:02.000 Like, this shit is so fucked. 1.00
01:54:05.000 The banking, the Federal Reserve, the government, everything. 1.00
01:54:08.000 Like, we've got a solution.
01:54:10.000 Well, you don't need banks anymore.
01:54:12.000 I mean, it changes escrow.
01:54:14.000 It changes everything.
01:54:15.000 Yeah, you don't need banks if you have digital currency.
01:54:18.000 Yeah, and the third party is the mining community.
01:54:22.000 So there's no way to rig it.
01:54:25.000 Yeah, I think that if it can continue and it can grow and evolve, I think it could be...
01:54:33.000 Definitely will.
01:54:34.000 Definitely will.
01:54:34.000 I think it will as well.
01:54:35.000 I think there's definitely powers that are trying to subvert it.
01:54:39.000 Oh, of course, man.
01:54:40.000 Of course, because can you imagine?
01:54:41.000 But here's the reality, man.
01:54:43.000 Banks are record stores and are big record companies, and Bitcoin is Napster.
01:54:50.000 That's it.
01:54:51.000 That's what it is. 0.99
01:54:52.000 With Tower Records, man, I used to fucking go there all the fucking time. 0.96
01:54:56.000 It's not there anymore. 0.98
01:54:57.000 It's true. 0.98
01:54:57.000 And all these fucking city national banks on every corner, that's going to happen. 0.98
01:55:01.000 Mark my words, they will not be there anymore. 0.96
01:55:03.000 That would be the same fate as Tower, because people will figure out how to send their money around, you know?
01:55:07.000 Yeah, and once you get used to buying things with your phone, which is probably the future. 0.99
01:55:12.000 I bought a fucking computer. 0.93
01:55:14.000 I'm such a nerd that I bought an old 486 PC with a disk drive in it because I just wanted to play my old games that I liked. 0.99
01:55:22.000 I bought one on my phone on the way in here.
01:55:24.000 Wow!
01:55:25.000 You know what I mean?
01:55:25.000 On eBay, though.
01:55:26.000 But that's PayPal, and you're paying all kinds of money for that.
01:55:30.000 But right now, I could go to anywhere.
01:55:35.000 I mean, right now, with Dell, starting accepting Bitcoin, I bought my manager a computer.
01:55:41.000 Like with some Bitcoin that I had. 0.97
01:55:43.000 And it was fucking cheap. 0.97
01:55:44.000 And it was like I sent it. 0.98
01:55:46.000 Dell accepts it now?
01:55:46.000 Dell started accepting it just recently.
01:55:49.000 Wow.
01:55:49.000 You know, Overstock.com was the first one.
01:55:52.000 And now Wikipedia takes it for donations.
01:55:55.000 And it's slowly becoming adopted.
01:55:58.000 And I think it's, you know...
01:56:00.000 Back in 94, 93, when the internet was out, people were like, no one's ever going to do this www.somethingorother.com.
01:56:06.000 They're going to have to come up with some easier way to do it.
01:56:08.000 No one's going to ever...
01:56:09.000 This will never become normal.
01:56:10.000 And, you know, it's like, here we are 20 years later, and it's like, there's no way that anyone could function.
01:56:16.000 Any of our devices could function without the internet being involved.
01:56:19.000 Everyone would prefer to go to a website than call a number.
01:56:24.000 It's like people download their music.
01:56:25.000 They don't buy it, really.
01:56:26.000 I mean, they do, but you know what I mean.
01:56:28.000 It's like, so I think that all the talk around Bitcoin right now is the same kind of talk they were having around the internet then.
01:56:34.000 I think you're right.
01:56:36.000 There's like messaging programs where you can send money in the text like on an iPhone.
01:56:42.000 So like if I was like, hey, can you go pick up this and, you know, here's 40 bucks worth of it or whatever.
01:56:47.000 Or, you know, whatever it costs, I can just send it to you instantly.
01:56:51.000 So you could, like, say if, you know, say if we were living together and you wanted me to go pick up a steak.
01:56:57.000 Yeah.
01:56:58.000 And go, hey man, go to the grocery store and go get some food, and here's the money.
01:57:01.000 Yeah, just like that.
01:57:02.000 I mean, there's like a couple cents maybe for...
01:57:06.000 I think we're good to go.
01:57:25.000 It's kind of interesting.
01:57:26.000 See, like the mining thing, man, it's like some people think of it and they're like, oh, it's like people who want to just like make free money, which is not the way it works.
01:57:32.000 It's like what it actually is, and this is the nerd part of me, like I also run a full node of Bitcoin at home, which means like I'm part of the network.
01:57:56.000 I think that...
01:58:03.000 Someone has to and is going to use this technology in the way that Bitcoin is and make, finally, a decentralized entertainment distribution platform.
01:58:12.000 Because eventually, iTunes takes 30%.
01:58:16.000 They've been good to me in different moments, but here's the reality. 0.86
01:58:19.000 You make something that costs nothing to duplicate because it's digital, and they're taking 30% of it, plus a company like TuneCore, Like, jabs you and robs you to even get your shit on iTunes if you're just a new band, you know, who's like, how do I get my shit on iTunes?
01:58:34.000 Somebody's gonna collect some money for them to just email your song over to iTunes in the correct format, and then iTunes takes 30%.
01:58:43.000 If you got rid of that and you got it where I was like, say I gave you a David Bowie song.
01:58:48.000 If there was a way to just have a proof of ownership and have a transaction fee like there is in Bitcoin, where I just gave you an album that would somehow pay David Bowie.
01:59:01.000 When you get it.
01:59:02.000 There doesn't need to be the iTunes, the store you go to, to get it.
01:59:08.000 It's like, really, if I'm sending you a song via email, there should be a way to build a decentralized distribution platform like that.
01:59:17.000 It's crazy that Amazon takes that much.
01:59:19.000 Or that iTunes, rather, takes that much.
01:59:22.000 How can they do that?
01:59:24.000 I'll tell you why.
01:59:25.000 Because everyone said the internet is never going to be a way that people buy music.
01:59:29.000 And iTunes said, we're here.
01:59:31.000 And we're putting our flag down and you guys are going to be sorry.
01:59:34.000 And that's what happened.
01:59:35.000 They jumped in when nobody cared.
01:59:36.000 There were meetings that they said, we don't care.
01:59:38.000 Don't talk to us about MP3s.
01:59:40.000 Like Sony said, don't talk to us about MP3s until it's 30% of the market.
01:59:45.000 And by the time it was 30% of the market, iTunes had iPods and was way to...
01:59:51.000 But 30% seems like a lot of money, because it's not even like they're storing it on their website, and then you download it from their servers.
01:59:57.000 Like, they need all the bandwidth, and so you're, you know, because your album is, you know, X amount of gigs, that's not what's going on.
02:00:05.000 They're not storing it.
02:00:07.000 Well, I mean...
02:00:08.000 You have to have a host.
02:00:09.000 They do store it.
02:00:10.000 Do they?
02:00:11.000 Well, they don't do it for podcasts.
02:00:13.000 For podcasts, your podcast gets downloaded from a host.
02:00:17.000 Like a torrent?
02:00:17.000 Yeah, I have a company called, the company's called Libsyn, and Libsyn is a server.
02:00:22.000 Oh yeah, but see, this is what TuneCore is.
02:00:23.000 So that's what TuneCore is?
02:00:24.000 That's the way TuneCore or like Reverb Nation and all those things work, is you can get your stuff.
02:00:29.000 I mean, that's essentially it, but I believe that it goes into the back end at iTunes.
02:00:33.000 I think that a lot of those companies, like, if I don't pay TuneCore...
02:00:39.000 After five years, my music will go off iTunes.
02:00:43.000 So, like, they have the control over that, but I've also seen labels go directly to iTunes, not via those things, and go use the back end there.
02:00:51.000 I mean, I don't know. 0.69
02:00:53.000 I thought they did store the shit, but, you know, I mean, I should probably know that, and I don't know that, but... 0.99
02:00:58.000 The reality is 30%, I don't care what you call it. 0.98
02:01:02.000 It's a duplicate of a digital file that costs nothing to replicate.
02:01:07.000 It is kind of crazy.
02:01:09.000 Yeah.
02:01:10.000 That's why so many artists held out for so long on it, but then they just buckled and went.
02:01:14.000 But I know that there's dirty deals that went down in the back room where certain people got...
02:01:18.000 Better cuts off that, like the Beatles.
02:01:20.000 I bet you, Monty, they're not taking 30% of the Beatles.
02:01:23.000 But they would never admit to that.
02:01:24.000 But dude, everything's a dirty deal. 1.00
02:01:26.000 Listen to this shit. 1.00
02:01:27.000 Billboard charts, you think about it, you're like, oh, this album's number one on Billboard. 1.00
02:01:32.000 There are certain artists that I've heard about where they've had sponsorships with, say, Coors Light.
02:01:40.000 And the week their record comes out, Coors Light buys 300,000 copies of the record.
02:01:45.000 So that goes number one.
02:01:47.000 I mean, it's all rigged financially.
02:01:49.000 It's all rigged by money.
02:01:50.000 So it's like none of it's real.
02:01:52.000 The Grammys aren't real, you know?
02:01:54.000 To me, it's also strange.
02:01:56.000 The Grammys aren't real.
02:01:58.000 Yeah, none of that's real.
02:02:00.000 Do you think any of that's real?
02:02:01.000 Like in what way?
02:02:02.000 There are people that charge, that are services, that are people that were at one point worked for the Grammy organization and they have the email addresses of all the people that they know that vote. 0.97
02:02:13.000 So there are people that will charge you like five grand to bombard these people with emails all year so that by the time they see the voting sheet, they're like, oh, that fucking person, I'll vote for that. 0.69
02:02:26.000 Like, there's things like that, but... 0.71
02:02:28.000 Besides that, dude, it's like the Grammys are a self-contained operation of the old media.
02:02:35.000 It's like Clive Davis and all those people, and they're all like...
02:02:38.000 A random band from nowhere who nobody's ever heard of is never going to win a Grammy unless they've got money behind them.
02:02:48.000 Do you know what I mean?
02:02:49.000 So the whole show... 0.99
02:02:50.000 The billboards are fake and all that shit. 1.00
02:02:53.000 All that shit's not real. 1.00
02:02:54.000 It's not like... 0.99
02:02:56.000 It's not like the 50s where Muddy Waters puts out something and it goes straight to the top of the charts and all of a sudden race music becomes this big thing.
02:03:03.000 It's not that way anymore.
02:03:04.000 It's all corporate, controlled by the 1%.
02:03:06.000 It's controlled by the biocoms of the world who are putting it on the television, who are deciding who's going to win. 0.99
02:03:12.000 Like Arcade Fire wins a fucking Grammy because they think that... 0.96
02:03:15.000 That, like, you know, everyone feels like it's been too pop-oriented. 0.99
02:03:18.000 So let's give one to Arcade Fire this year.
02:03:20.000 And it's like, as much as I want to believe that there are, like, the fans are in any way involved in these kind of processes, they're totally not.
02:03:27.000 It's just all the marketing. 0.79
02:03:29.000 There's fucking five people calling all the radio station programming for the year. 0.98
02:03:34.000 You know, people buying their way to the top of, buying Grammys and buying their way to the top of Billboard. 0.99
02:03:39.000 It's like, if rich people are the only people that have the ability to buy their way in the top, why would Muddy Waters even care?
02:03:48.000 Do you know what I mean?
02:03:49.000 The system has changed so much.
02:03:52.000 But isn't that just the system as far as the awards and award shows and things along those lines?
02:03:58.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
02:03:58.000 All those kind of things, the accolades that go along with being a musician.
02:04:02.000 Going out and playing a show and having a grassroots thing, that's one thing.
02:04:06.000 That's real.
02:04:08.000 All the accolades of the billboards and the awards and all that.
02:04:11.000 All that stuff is just for show.
02:04:12.000 You know what I mean?
02:04:13.000 And it's highly manipulated.
02:04:15.000 Well, it makes sense.
02:04:16.000 I mean, it totally makes sense.
02:04:18.000 I mean, why wouldn't they manipulate it if they could manipulate it if it led to financial gain?
02:04:22.000 Of course.
02:04:22.000 That's the nature of their business.
02:04:24.000 Like, you know, Clive Davis is going to make a record and he's going to give it to the... 0.99
02:04:28.000 When they go to their Bohemian Grove little party that they do or whatever, they're going to fucking... 0.97
02:04:33.000 He's going to say, hey... 0.98
02:04:35.000 I'm going to send you the new, you know, Kanye record or whatever.
02:04:38.000 I'm going to send you the new Alicia Keys record. 0.97
02:04:40.000 And these radio stations are going to fucking, you know, they're going to get, you know, they're not getting payola, but they're fucking getting free trips to Disneyland for their whole family and like five other people, you know, to fucking play like this record that so-and-so's invested in. 0.97
02:04:54.000 To me, it's all kind of a joke. 0.99
02:04:56.000 And that's probably why I'm not a rich man is because I fucking, I spout off about this shit all the time on my radio show too. 0.99
02:05:03.000 And I'm like, What's your radio show on? 0.99
02:05:08.000 I'm on Sirius XM on Outlaw Country, Channel 60. Is that the XXX channel?
02:05:15.000 Is that what it is?
02:05:16.000 It's called Electric Rodeo.
02:05:17.000 The XXX thing was something where I was trying to actually...
02:05:21.000 It's kind of defunct in a way now. 0.93
02:05:23.000 I mean, I still play all those bands, but there's this whole underground country, underground roots, blues thing that was happening, and it was getting boxed into this Americana shit. 0.86
02:05:34.000 Americana and country and everything. 0.82
02:05:36.000 There was this real big gap in the middle, and there was all these bands that were falling in the gap.
02:05:40.000 So I started a website with that, and it was kind of just a play on AAA radio.
02:05:45.000 And I was like...
02:05:47.000 I don't know.
02:05:47.000 I got more heat over it.
02:05:49.000 I mean, it helped a lot of artists, and I know it did because I'm friends with them.
02:05:53.000 And it definitely...
02:05:54.000 I've now started producing a lot of other people and started working in the studio with them more as opposed to promoting them, which has been really good.
02:06:01.000 But it was just a way of trying to promote all these really great bands that really just weren't getting any chance.
02:06:07.000 But I still play all those bands on my radio show.
02:06:10.000 But it's called Electric Rodeo.
02:06:12.000 I've been doing it like nine years now, which is kind of insane.
02:06:14.000 But I... I don't do it like this.
02:06:16.000 I do it on the fly.
02:06:17.000 I was looking at this and I'm like, man, since I've been doing my show for nine years, I would actually have something to show for it.
02:06:24.000 You guys are smarter than I am.
02:06:27.000 I do mine on the fly on my laptop.
02:06:30.000 Wherever I'm at, sometimes I've done it on an airplane when I'm flying, you know, just when I gotta get it in by the end of the week, so...
02:06:37.000 Well, this thing is, I mean, we need other people here, you know, this is like a location to do it from, you know? 0.99
02:06:42.000 But fucking, what a great location with the fucking wolf and predator and fucking lava lamps and fucking... 1.00
02:06:50.000 Antlers. 1.00
02:06:50.000 This place is insane. 1.00
02:06:52.000 Well, we turned it into this.
02:06:54.000 When we first moved in here, it was the opposite.
02:06:56.000 It was like a boardroom or something?
02:06:57.000 Yeah, it was just a regular office room. 0.99
02:06:59.000 Even the covers over the fluorescent lights, I've never seen that shit before. 0.99
02:07:02.000 Oh, they're space, yeah. 0.99
02:07:04.000 Yeah, man.
02:07:05.000 I mean, the vibe in this room, it's like, if I were you, I would just stay in this room all the time.
02:07:10.000 I'd just never leave.
02:07:12.000 The pool table outside?
02:07:13.000 Yeah, it's a good spot.
02:07:15.000 It's a great spot, man.
02:07:16.000 Yeah, I think it's important to have a space where you feel comfortable.
02:07:22.000 You feel like you could just chill out.
02:07:25.000 It doesn't feel corporate.
02:07:25.000 I think it enhances the conversations in a lot of ways.
02:07:29.000 For sure, man.
02:07:29.000 And also, it's just a creepy secret spot.
02:07:33.000 It feels like a creepy secret spot.
02:07:35.000 It's great, man.
02:07:36.000 It's great.
02:07:37.000 I love it.
02:07:38.000 So you think that you doing your radio show and being honest about all these things has held you back?
02:07:43.000 Well, I don't know.
02:07:44.000 I mean, I do know like one time I said the thing about...
02:07:47.000 About the billboard, and I had evidence of this, and I'm not going to say what artist it was, because I'm not in the business of doing that, but there was this big-name artist who had this new record coming out, and his sponsor company bought 300,000 copies of it first week, so they would make sure that it went number one.
02:08:02.000 And I said that on the radio, and my boss says, and he's told me I've gotten a lot of calls. 0.99
02:08:08.000 They call him, and they say, he's saying this shit, and it's irresponsible because it's not true. 0.99
02:08:11.000 And I'm like, yes, it is true. 1.00
02:08:13.000 I know it's true.
02:08:13.000 I've seen the paper that said it was true.
02:08:15.000 But I think they get pissed that I say that.
02:08:17.000 But a lot of people don't like me.
02:08:19.000 They blackballed me a long time ago anyway, because I've always been that way, man.
02:08:23.000 I'm to my disadvantage in a lot of ways, but like, If someone's a phony, I hate that more than anything in the world, man.
02:08:32.000 There have been times in my life when I was a phony growing up, with girls and things.
02:08:38.000 We try to get into that, but as you get older and as I've gotten older, there's so much insincerity, especially in the music business, that I have such a disdain for it.
02:08:49.000 The way that the writers work, what's happened to country music is directly related to what we're talking about in corporate America. 0.99
02:09:00.000 It's the same kind of shit. 0.98
02:09:02.000 It's just gotten to where these corporations are in so much power and they have so much money that it's really hard for the little man to beat it. 1.00
02:09:11.000 I see people who pretend to be for the little man But yet they're playing this fucking ball game over here and talking out of both sides of their mouth and it just kills me. 0.99
02:09:22.000 So I'll say it. 0.99
02:09:24.000 I'll happily say it all day long.
02:09:26.000 But yeah, I definitely think that there are groups.
02:09:32.000 I just found out about a group in Nashville, but there are groups much like the Bilderberg group where they're in music and in movies and things.
02:09:41.000 I mean, I know everybody knows they kind of have that kind of thing, but But there are actual groups where they orchestrate kind of who they're going to lend their support to.
02:09:52.000 I mean, they never played me on the radio.
02:09:54.000 It's not like they're going to have a meeting and they say, we're going to purposely keep Shooter out.
02:09:58.000 It's not like that.
02:09:59.000 Not that paranoid.
02:10:00.000 But I do know that they have meetings about...
02:10:04.000 We're the studio heads and the local community and the Congress and city planners and developers and certain record labels, mostly independent.
02:10:14.000 The independents have kind of chokeholded out the corporate ones a little bit in a weird way, especially in Nashville. 0.63
02:10:21.000 And the songwriters and the radio people, and they have these retreats that they go on together.
02:10:27.000 It's like, duh.
02:10:28.000 Like, of course they're all scratching each other's backs.
02:10:31.000 Of course, like, the little guy, they have to pay, like, 15 grand to join this group to go on these retreats, you know, and keep paying. 0.97
02:10:38.000 It's like, like, it's fascinating to me, you know, like, when people are like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
02:10:45.000 That doesn't happen. 1.00
02:10:46.000 It's like, if you think that doesn't happen, then you are dumb, because... 0.99
02:10:49.000 Of course these people want to keep their job. 0.99
02:10:52.000 They want to keep the money they're making.
02:10:54.000 So they'll do anything it takes to keep that position.
02:10:58.000 Yeah, it's unfortunate, right, that people that are in that sort of a position, they're making a shitload of money, don't realize, like, man, this is kind of bad for the art form itself to do this.
02:11:09.000 Like, the very art form that we need that we're selling.
02:11:12.000 Yeah.
02:11:13.000 It's the short-term victory that they want.
02:11:15.000 And it's like the long term, like people like us, you know, like I'm a movie fan.
02:11:20.000 Like I'm a, Blade Runner is my favorite movie of all time, but I am crazy.
02:11:24.000 Oh man, I watched it the other day.
02:11:26.000 How many times have you watched it?
02:11:28.000 I mean, hundreds at least.
02:11:30.000 I mean, I just bought all these prints, these posters.
02:11:32.000 Is that off of a Philip K. Dick novel?
02:11:34.000 Yes.
02:11:35.000 Is that what it's about?
02:11:35.000 Yeah, I do.
02:11:35.000 Andrew's Dream of Electric Sheep is the name of the book.
02:11:39.000 What a great fucking movie. 1.00
02:11:40.000 Man, great movie. 1.00
02:11:41.000 And it stands up, you know, stands up.
02:11:43.000 At the end of the movie, the original version, was Harrison Ford supposed to find out that he's a robot too?
02:11:48.000 Well, that's kind of the point of the book.
02:11:51.000 Implied.
02:11:52.000 It's like the point of the movie a little bit is that, I mean, it's implied in that, especially when at the very end of the movie, Edward James Olmos' character, like, he's been leaving his origami all over the place, but he leaves the unicorn.
02:12:05.000 But see, in the original one, I just watched the theatrical one for the first time.
02:12:08.000 I had never seen it.
02:12:09.000 The one where Harrison Ford narrates the film.
02:12:12.000 Oh, that's the original director's cut.
02:12:15.000 No, the director's cut is when he does not.
02:12:17.000 They took his voice off and they took the last scene out of the movie where they drive away.
02:12:21.000 That's the only one you've seen up until now.
02:12:24.000 Which one?
02:12:25.000 The director's cut?
02:12:25.000 Yeah.
02:12:26.000 Yeah, because that's the only one you can buy.
02:12:27.000 The minute it was available on DVD, I don't know about VHS, but the minute the DVDs came out, the director's cut saturated the market.
02:12:35.000 So on Voodoo, I was trying to figure out a way when I was...
02:12:39.000 Traveling on the road in a car to venue to venue.
02:12:43.000 I was trying to figure out a way to... 0.99
02:12:44.000 I don't have enough space on my fucking iPhone because the fucking iCloud and the pictures and all this shit and it's always full and I don't want to throw it against the fucking wall. 0.98
02:12:52.000 But the Voodoo app lets me watch movies. 0.99
02:12:55.000 So I was like, oh, I'm going to watch Blade Runner.
02:12:57.000 And then I pulled it up and it was that version, which I had never seen.
02:13:00.000 But then there was a final cut that was made about...
02:13:04.000 Seven or eight years ago that came out.
02:13:06.000 And that one has the deleted unicorn scene in it.
02:13:10.000 And what that is is that I guess that Harrison Ford's character has some kind of like there's a unicorn scene.
02:13:21.000 In his past, in his memory, he has a memory of a unicorn.
02:13:24.000 There's a scene in the movie, in the final cut, where he shoots that chick that had the snake around her neck.
02:13:30.000 When he shoots her, there's a shot of this unicorn because it reminded him of this thing and it's kind of like connecting the dots that he has this weird memory of a unicorn.
02:13:50.000 I think?
02:14:01.000 Am I a robot?
02:14:03.000 Are we all robots?
02:14:04.000 Like, you know, that's kind of the ultimate story.
02:14:06.000 But it never confirms that.
02:14:08.000 But in the book, they run away together and she ends up dying and it's like a love story and it ends up not mattering if he is one or not because, you know, Well, in the real world that we live in right now, that seems like much more likely a possibility than it ever did when Blade Runner came out.
02:14:26.000 Yeah, man.
02:14:26.000 Like back then, like the idea of a robot that looks exactly like a person, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, might as well be traveling to the moon, might as well be fucking, you know, Battlestar Galactica or something.
02:14:36.000 Xenu. 0.79
02:14:37.000 Yeah, but now you...
02:14:38.000 When you see the artificial bodies that they're able to create now, like these robot faces that move and articulate just like a human face, like really similar.
02:14:48.000 Some of those Japanese ones, they're so similar.
02:14:51.000 Yeah.
02:14:52.000 And you just imagine, what's 100 years from now going to be like?
02:14:55.000 The company that made the Tupac hologram and the Michael Jackson one, they reached out to me.
02:15:01.000 And I met the guy yesterday, this guy Gary.
02:15:03.000 And I may be going there.
02:15:05.000 I have to go get my kids from here. 0.98
02:15:07.000 And I may be taking them to this guy.
02:15:09.000 Because he's contacted me about wanting to do a Waylon hologram.
02:15:13.000 I think that they're trying to talk about getting a bunch of the guys and making a hologram of Cash and Waylon and Opry.
02:15:20.000 Who knows?
02:15:21.000 But he wants to give me the demonstration.
02:15:23.000 But I was talking to him about it. 0.99
02:15:24.000 And he said, man, you know, the shit on TV... Like, it's not lit a certain way. 0.98
02:15:30.000 Like, he didn't like the lighting on the Michael Jackson one. 0.99
02:15:32.000 He said it wasn't right, but he said that when they do it correctly, that...
02:15:37.000 See, it's like with Michael Jackson, they have a body double, and then they have this face technology...
02:15:44.000 That, like, that does the face on top of someone else's face.
02:15:49.000 So it looks, like, right.
02:15:51.000 But, like, you don't really have to do that.
02:15:53.000 Like, it's not CGI people.
02:15:55.000 So they have the ability, right now, they have the ability to do the Help Me Obi-Wan, like...
02:16:03.000 They have one thing that's got these 3D cameras and I can be in that room. 0.87
02:16:06.000 He was telling me a story about an Indian guy in India who's running for president or whatever their fucking thing is over there. 0.92
02:16:16.000 He told people he was really rich and he had like 3% of the vote. 0.92
02:16:21.000 And he set up these hologram things in every town and he paid for them to all be over there and said, hey, come see me.
02:16:27.000 I'm going to talk to your town.
02:16:29.000 And he stood at home in this thing and he appeared in 50 towns and they didn't even know it was a hologram.
02:16:36.000 What?
02:16:37.000 They thought he was really there and he never told them. 1.00
02:16:38.000 So they thought he really came to their fucking shit town where there was nothing to do. 0.98
02:16:42.000 Like you know the little village and it was like this guy and like he said right now like I could go over there and they can have like a hologram thing set up in Japan and I could like literally walk in front of the cameras and I'd be in Japan and I'd be talking to motherfuckers and totally like help me Obi-Wan save me Obi-Wan or like the fucking Sith Lord guy appearing like talking about it but it doesn't even look like that he said that when it's in a normal room it looks like you can't tell the difference From a hologram. 0.99
02:17:07.000 I will report to you on this after I go to it, after I go see this demonstration.
02:17:12.000 Do you remember when they had that on television for CNN when they were covering the news and Wolf Blitzer would stand in the CNN hologram, the holodeck?
02:17:21.000 No.
02:17:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:17:23.000 What?
02:17:24.000 Yeah.
02:17:24.000 They experimented with it during elections.
02:17:28.000 You got a video of it, Jamie?
02:17:29.000 Hi.
02:17:29.000 This is the guy, the Indian guy.
02:17:31.000 Let's see the Indian guy.
02:17:33.000 Oh, you found it.
02:17:34.000 Yeah.
02:17:36.000 That's him?
02:17:39.000 It's really long.
02:17:39.000 It's like 45 minutes.
02:17:41.000 So that dude right there is a hologram.
02:17:46.000 So he's not really there?
02:17:48.000 Yeah, he's not there.
02:17:50.000 Wow.
02:17:51.000 How's he appear? 0.99
02:17:52.000 It would be dope if he fucking appeared out of smoke. 0.97
02:17:55.000 Yeah, they're saying a demonstration they gave that guy who was presenting an award and he was standing in the room and this whole family walked in the room and he was standing there and he talked to them and they were talking to him back and everything and then he just bust into flames and they were all freaked out because they thought he was real. 0.98
02:18:14.000 Look at this.
02:18:15.000 Look at how he comes in.
02:18:17.000 First of all, how strange.
02:18:19.000 Let him walk in again, Jamie.
02:18:20.000 Back it up a little again.
02:18:21.000 Because that guy's got the fakest hand wave ever. 1.00
02:18:24.000 I would never vote for that motherfucker. 1.00
02:18:26.000 Just by the way, maybe this is like an Indian thing, but I don't understand. 1.00
02:18:31.000 Look at that.
02:18:32.000 They're introducing homeboy.
02:18:33.000 Look.
02:18:37.000 First of all, he's wearing a dress.
02:18:39.000 What's that all about?
02:18:40.000 Are you a schoolteacher?
02:18:41.000 You're an old lady schoolteacher? 1.00
02:18:43.000 Oh man.
02:18:45.000 He's got a theme song too.
02:18:46.000 Look.
02:18:54.000 That's hilarious. 0.99
02:18:55.000 He's fucking waving his hands. 0.99
02:18:57.000 He's wearing white tights and a dress. 1.00
02:19:00.000 This guy's a freak. 0.98
02:19:02.000 He's a hologram. 0.99
02:19:03.000 He's wearing white tights and a dress.
02:19:05.000 He's going to sit down in a chair.
02:19:08.000 Hologram, his white tights and a dress.
02:19:11.000 So bizarre, man.
02:19:12.000 That's so bizarre.
02:19:14.000 Man, isn't it?
02:19:15.000 Isn't it crazy?
02:19:15.000 I mean, the technology that you can, the fact that you can do that is just like, it's so amazing.
02:19:21.000 Like, I would love to not have to ever do a show, like travel to do a show. 0.99
02:19:25.000 Just stand in my fucking... 0.99
02:19:26.000 People want you to be there, though. 1.00
02:19:28.000 They want you to be there physically.
02:19:30.000 They didn't know.
02:19:30.000 They didn't know.
02:19:31.000 Yeah, but isn't it something about actually knowing that the guy's there?
02:19:35.000 Yeah, of course.
02:19:36.000 Did you ever hear that band Man or Astro Man?
02:19:39.000 No.
02:19:39.000 They were a band in the early 2000s, late 90s, but they had clone bands.
02:19:46.000 They wore masks.
02:19:47.000 They wore these hoods.
02:19:49.000 So they had five clone bands, and they'd send them out on the road, and you would never know if it was the real band or not because they always had the hoods on and shit, but they would have five different bands they would just send out touring. 0.94
02:19:59.000 Oh, that's silly. 0.93
02:20:00.000 Yeah. 0.83
02:20:01.000 You know, people didn't know it.
02:20:02.000 I know, but isn't that, like, half the thing?
02:20:04.000 Of course, it's a live performance.
02:20:05.000 The reason why you pay to see, you want the guy to be right there.
02:20:08.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
02:20:09.000 You know, like, your reputation would be really damaged if they found out that you were actually in your living room and the shit fucked up. 1.00
02:20:15.000 A hologram. 1.00
02:20:15.000 And, like, it, like, started fucking up while you were doing it. 1.00
02:20:20.000 Man, that would be, I would be righteous, though, if I was watching fucking, like, you know, national. 0.99
02:20:24.000 CNN thing. 0.99
02:20:25.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:20:25.000 The CNN thing that they did during the...
02:20:28.000 Oh, the Wolf Blitzer.
02:20:28.000 Yeah, they only did it during the elections.
02:20:31.000 And it's like everybody's like, ooh, they're busting out the fucking hologram. 0.99
02:20:35.000 This is crazy. 1.00
02:20:36.000 Wow.
02:20:36.000 And he would be in another location and they would appear.
02:20:42.000 They started it with Will.i.am, the guy from the Black Eyed Peas.
02:20:46.000 They started it with him?
02:20:47.000 And then they used it with him.
02:20:50.000 It was at an Obama event?
02:20:53.000 It wasn't at a...
02:20:54.000 John McCain didn't pull out the...
02:20:55.000 The CNN reporters did it.
02:20:59.000 See, like there.
02:21:03.000 Pull it back so you can see him appear.
02:21:07.000 That's fascinating.
02:21:10.000 Look at that.
02:21:15.000 Let's make it look as much like Star Trek as we can, the appearing process.
02:21:20.000 Oh, this is great.
02:21:21.000 You know, we're at the eve of a brand new day in America.
02:21:25.000 How weird is that?
02:21:26.000 Feels good being here in Chicago.
02:21:28.000 Via Hologram.
02:21:30.000 Performer and Obama supporter.
02:21:32.000 Yeah, it looks like, basically like, exactly like in Star Trek when they would beam people down.
02:21:36.000 That's what it looks like right here.
02:21:38.000 Yeah, but it's a beautiful time here.
02:21:41.000 In Chicago, it's a beautiful time.
02:21:43.000 In Los Angeles, my mom texted me.
02:21:45.000 What's the purpose of this, just to show off technology?
02:21:46.000 Just to show off the technology, yeah.
02:21:48.000 Well, just an added element.
02:21:50.000 They did it with Wolf Blitzer.
02:21:52.000 I remember he was a hologram, too.
02:21:55.000 Isn't it funny, though, to listen to that guy?
02:21:57.000 It's a beautiful time.
02:21:58.000 Everything's amazing. 0.99
02:21:59.000 Cut to everybody fucking hates him. 1.00
02:22:02.000 Six years later, you fucking piece of shit. 1.00
02:22:06.000 All of you, you fuckheads. 1.00
02:22:08.000 Even Will.i.am, right? 1.00
02:22:09.000 Didn't he run for... 0.95
02:22:10.000 He was going to be the president of Haiti or some shit like that? 0.93
02:22:13.000 No, that was the other guy. 0.83
02:22:15.000 The guy from...
02:22:16.000 I confuse Will.i.am with...
02:22:18.000 What's his name?
02:22:20.000 Wyclef Jean.
02:22:21.000 Wyclef Jean.
02:22:22.000 They're the same guy to me.
02:22:23.000 Yeah, I was about to make that joke about it being Wyclef John, and then you said it.
02:22:29.000 Yeah, it was this broad CNN reporter, I think.
02:22:34.000 Another one.
02:22:35.000 It's like she's some chick that Will.i.am was banging like 20 minutes before her. 1.00
02:22:40.000 Did you hear the guy, all the controversy about the dude who...
02:22:44.000 Who Baba Booied.
02:22:46.000 No, no, no.
02:22:47.000 He didn't Baba Booie.
02:22:49.000 The MSNBC thing recently, the Howard Stern thing.
02:22:52.000 No.
02:22:52.000 What happened?
02:22:53.000 MSNBC. Do you know what I'm talking about?
02:22:56.000 There was a guy who...
02:22:58.000 I'm trying to remember his Whack Pack name on there.
02:23:00.000 But he had gone into retirement from doing prank calls one day recently...
02:23:07.000 They were talking about the Malaysia Air thing.
02:23:10.000 And this guy calls in, and they're like, we've got this soldier from the war on the phone.
02:23:15.000 And he goes, yes, I believe I saw something.
02:23:18.000 I was driving, and I looked out at my passenger window, and I saw something. 0.99
02:23:22.000 I believe it was a giant burst of wind from Howard Stern's ass that hit the Malaysia plane. 0.98
02:23:27.000 And all of a sudden, the lady's like, excuse me? 0.99
02:23:30.000 She's like, so can you tell me what you... 1.00
02:23:32.000 She starts to say, and he goes, boy, you're fucking dumb, aren't you? 1.00
02:23:35.000 To the girl. 1.00
02:23:36.000 And they cut the transmission.
02:23:38.000 And he wrote an email to Howard Stern's people.
02:23:41.000 He said, this is how I got in the air.
02:23:42.000 He called in and he said that he was a soldier in the Air Force or something.
02:23:47.000 And they put him on the phone with another guy who then like...
02:23:51.000 Was trying to quiz him on him being legit.
02:23:55.000 And he totally...
02:23:56.000 He said he bullshitted his way all the way through it.
02:23:58.000 The guy led him through. 0.99
02:23:59.000 They led him on fucking MSNBC in this moment. 0.99
02:24:02.000 And this chick, her name was Crystal Ball, was the name of the chick. 1.00
02:24:05.000 That's the reason why I can remember it.
02:24:08.000 And she was just like... 0.99
02:24:10.000 You know, I had no idea what to do with that when the guy said, fucking a burst of wind from Howard Stern's ass is what hit it. 0.99
02:24:16.000 Like, you know, MSNBC, like, is all this trouble? 0.99
02:24:19.000 Because, like, no one was paying attention while it went down for so long for a couple of minutes.
02:24:24.000 And then they cut it and it was like, man, everyone got fired because it was like... 0.99
02:24:28.000 I mean, not only did he get through, but they didn't even catch that he said Howard Stern's ass for a long time. 0.98
02:24:35.000 Well, when you're doing those things, those remotes, you have an earpiece in, and a lot of times it's hard to understand what the fuck anybody's saying, and there's a bit of a delay between them saying it and you hearing it. 0.99
02:24:44.000 Crystal ball, I can forgive her. 0.97
02:24:47.000 But the guy sitting over there watching the fucking broadcast, or supposedly watching the broadcast when it goes down, and editing on the fly and all that, that guy should have been like... 0.99
02:24:57.000 Uh... 0.99
02:24:58.000 Cut it! 1.00
02:24:59.000 You know, cut it now! 0.99
02:25:00.000 Do you remember the Sum Ting Wong when the plane crashed? 0.92
02:25:05.000 Oh yeah, that was another one. 0.98
02:25:06.000 Four different names and they all got fired because some editor fucked up. 0.99
02:25:10.000 Yeah, Sum Ting Wong. 0.98
02:25:12.000 Did you see that?
02:25:13.000 Yeah.
02:25:14.000 There was something recently, the New York Daily News let some fake story go through and didn't do any fact-checking.
02:25:23.000 It was all over the news.
02:25:25.000 I forget what New York Daily News hoaxed.
02:25:30.000 That's funny, man.
02:25:32.000 They all are...
02:25:33.000 It happens all the time.
02:25:34.000 Yeah.
02:25:35.000 People are trying so hard.
02:25:37.000 You know?
02:25:38.000 It's like when fake news comes through, that's like the most real thing we're getting.
02:25:42.000 Yeah.
02:25:43.000 Well, you know, we live in strange times where anybody can get information out.
02:25:47.000 Yeah. 0.98
02:25:48.000 But especially with these legacy media places like that, like news, like we're getting someone who's live on the scene and like, that's like, those are targets for people fucking with people. 0.97
02:26:00.000 Yeah. 0.89
02:26:00.000 It's like, because you know that everyone's looking at this, everyone's paying attention to this. 0.89
02:26:04.000 If you can get on there and Baba Booey it, you'll definitely get like some play on the radio show.
02:26:08.000 Yeah.
02:26:09.000 So people will do things like that.
02:26:10.000 Yeah.
02:26:15.000 Yeah, we're in weird times when it comes to that.
02:26:17.000 We're also in weird times when it comes to those things being relevant at all, because at a certain point in time, they're realizing that more people are paying attention to online sources than they are.
02:26:29.000 Facebook, Twitter, all the above.
02:26:31.000 There's so many different things.
02:26:32.000 It's like nightly news.
02:26:34.000 I mean, I'll watch...
02:26:35.000 I do...
02:26:36.000 I will say, like, if I'm cruising the channels and I'm home and, like, the 5, 6 o'clock news is on, I'll turn it on because locally to LA, like, if there's anything going on, I'll kind of be interested in that.
02:26:46.000 But otherwise, like, who watches the news on, like, Channel 2?
02:26:50.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:26:50.000 I mean, who watches fucking CNN? The only reason why they watch CNN is because of... 0.99
02:26:55.000 It'll be something massive has happened and people want to tune in and watch it 24-7.
02:27:00.000 Otherwise, you don't really...
02:27:01.000 It's going away.
02:27:03.000 It's going away slowly but surely.
02:27:05.000 And also the format is so bizarre.
02:27:06.000 The evening news, the Los Angeles evening news, those are the fakest broadcasts in the world.
02:27:13.000 The way everyone talks is fake.
02:27:15.000 You don't see any personality.
02:27:17.000 You don't have any connection to those people. 0.99
02:27:20.000 If you had someone like, Shooter Jennings reads the news, like, man, some shit went down today. 0.62
02:27:26.000 People would connect to that in a way like, oh, this is a real guy, and he's telling me about some real stuff. 0.98
02:27:32.000 But if you watch the average broadcast that's on a local news show, it's so fake.
02:27:39.000 Yeah, and it's so uptight and weird. 0.99
02:27:42.000 And it's just the same garbage dump to you. 0.90
02:27:45.000 It's not updated. 0.80
02:27:46.000 That's why people...
02:27:48.000 I look at my Twitter feed for that.
02:27:51.000 If I hear something's going on or if I see something, it's like the culmination of all the people I follow kind of provide the correct information.
02:28:01.000 Do you know what I mean?
02:28:02.000 That seems more effective to me.
02:28:04.000 Yeah, and even then, you still have to process stuff. 1.00
02:28:07.000 There's so much bullshit. 0.99
02:28:08.000 It's so difficult to figure out what's right and what's wrong. 0.99
02:28:12.000 And then when you have disinformation thrown into the mix, I mean... 0.95
02:28:16.000 It's been proven that government organizations will, when something bad goes down, they'll throw a bunch of wacky shit into the news as well to sort of counterbalance. 0.99
02:28:26.000 There's a lot of people out there that believe that a lot of the conspiracy theorists that say the most ridiculous shit, that they're being hired to say ridiculous shit because it Makes all conspiracies sound silly. 0.99
02:28:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00
02:28:41.000 Of course. 1.00
02:28:41.000 I believe that 100%. 1.00
02:28:43.000 I believe that there are misinformation agents all over the place.
02:28:46.000 Manly P. Hall was one.
02:28:47.000 Manly P. Hall, famous writer, wrote a lot of books about a lot of conspiracy type things, and he was a straight-up disinformation agent for the Masons.
02:28:59.000 Really?
02:28:59.000 Yeah, he was out there trying to...
02:29:02.000 Cloud up the religion side of things for the Masons via the conspiracy world. 0.99
02:29:07.000 Manly P. Hall is famous, and a lot of people swear by his shit, but he was really a Mason, and he was in bed with that. 0.99
02:29:13.000 What did they ever figure that William... 0.99
02:29:15.000 What's the guy who wrote Behold a Pale Horse?
02:29:18.000 Man, we could talk about this guy a lot.
02:29:20.000 Bill Cooper?
02:29:20.000 Bill Cooper.
02:29:21.000 Man, I love his shit, dude. 1.00
02:29:23.000 But he wrote a lot of really nutty shit about alien bases on the moon. 1.00
02:29:28.000 Yeah, he got into some shit like that in there. 1.00
02:29:30.000 But man, did you ever listen to his radio show? 0.99
02:29:33.000 No.
02:29:34.000 You can download every episode of it.
02:29:35.000 I've been in contact with his estate because I'm trying to take...
02:29:40.000 The Hour of the Time is the name of the show.
02:29:42.000 Every single episode.
02:29:43.000 You know he was killed on the 5th of November of 2001?
02:29:46.000 Was he?
02:29:48.000 Wasn't he like in a fight or a gunfight?
02:29:50.000 He said on the air, he was like, look, because Bill Clinton is labeled him the most dangerous person on radio.
02:29:56.000 And he said, they're going to come after me.
02:29:59.000 And he goes, and I bet you money that they're going to use the IRS as the reason.
02:30:03.000 And so they did.
02:30:04.000 So he moved his family away and they came after him for tax evasion.
02:30:08.000 And when he wouldn't comply, they sent the U.S. Marshals in there and they shot at him and he shot one of them and they killed him.
02:30:17.000 Really?
02:30:18.000 Yeah, but he's, man, that story, that dude is very fascinating because he is the real life, like, dude.
02:30:25.000 I mean, in my Black Ribbon's record, the Stephen King character gets killed and everything in the end.
02:30:29.000 I mean, he's the real life character of that.
02:30:30.000 Like, this guy was out there, and his radio show was awesome, and he was just, like, telling you, like, the first person talking about the Bilderberg group, the first person talking about all these people, and just laying it out there no matter what, who it pissed off, and...
02:30:45.000 Eventually it pissed off enough people to get him killed, but he's very fascinating.
02:30:50.000 In the hour of the time, I wanted to take the first episode of it and print it on a 12-inch vinyl, because it's just long enough.
02:30:56.000 I wanted to put music under it and make a record on a record label, and I was trying to get the family to let me do that.
02:31:03.000 They were interested, but then they kind of disappeared on me.
02:31:05.000 Have you ever looked into William Cooper debunked?
02:31:09.000 I've looked into some of that stuff.
02:31:11.000 But, I mean, see, to me, William Cooper, I mean, obviously, he was hitting on some pretty harsh things if he was killed by the United States government.
02:31:20.000 Or maybe he owed a lot of taxes and he got in a shootout with the federal marshals who came to arrest him.
02:31:26.000 Is that possible, too?
02:31:27.000 Yeah, but if you listen to his show...
02:31:33.000 He's very sane.
02:31:35.000 He's very collected, he's very smart, very educated. 1.00
02:31:40.000 It'd be one thing if he was full of shit, but he's not. 0.99
02:31:45.000 If you listen to his show, he was very wise to things, and he was saying a lot of shit that would piss a lot of people off, and I know for a fact a lot of it is true. 1.00
02:31:53.000 I read his book, and halfway into the book I was like, bitch! 0.99
02:31:56.000 And I tossed it across the room. 0.99
02:31:58.000 The Hold a Pale Hoarders? 1.00
02:31:59.000 Yeah, there was some wacky shit in there. 0.93
02:32:01.000 If you go to Rational Wiki, he believed that UFO people were controlling the world, that UFO technology had been used in Vietnam. 0.96
02:32:11.000 He became one of the stars in the UFO lecture circuit, writing books that alleged that space aliens were part of the New World Order.
02:32:18.000 He later believed that he had been tricked into believing in aliens, and it was all part of an Illuminati plot, including the JFK assassination and the fake moon landings.
02:32:28.000 You know about the Kubrick moon landing thing, right?
02:32:31.000 What about it?
02:32:33.000 There's a theory that the US government wanted, the technology that he developed during Dr. Strangelove and he used in 2001 for the monkeys and the backgrounds and the way he shot that stuff.
02:32:46.000 That they came to him to fake the moon landing.
02:32:50.000 Yeah, I've heard that.
02:32:51.000 And they said they would give him unlimited access to NASA and everything for 2001 and fund every film forever.
02:32:59.000 And so supposedly he was hinting at a lot of it in 2001 and in Eyes Wide Shut, especially in Eyes Wide Shut, that he was hinting to what he'd done Well, there's documentaries that show all the secret symbolism that he put into The Shining. 0.97
02:33:14.000 That movie's terrible because, see, I had studied all that shit, man, and it's so true. 0.98
02:33:18.000 There's such cool shit in it. 1.00
02:33:19.000 And that movie was like, they were interviewing the craziest people on the planet Earth with no frame of reference to what they were talking about. 1.00
02:33:28.000 And when you watch that movie, it's like... 0.59
02:33:29.000 It sounds like they're crazy. 1.00
02:33:32.000 It sounds like everything about the movie is bullshit because these people who are talking are clearly insane. 0.99
02:33:36.000 But the people who actually did the research before those kooks are the people that it was kind of fascinating about. 0.97
02:33:43.000 But I'm a big Kubrick nerd anyway.
02:33:45.000 Well, Kubrick was definitely a genius and definitely a fascinating guy.
02:33:48.000 If anybody was capable of faking anything remotely resembling it.
02:33:51.000 Reality Sandwich is a website, Reality Sandwich.
02:33:53.000 There's an article.
02:33:54.000 Yeah, I've read that.
02:33:55.000 About the moon landing.
02:33:56.000 Yeah, I'm not convinced, but I'm fascinated.
02:34:00.000 I'm not convinced.
02:34:01.000 I'm not convinced about any of it, to be honest.
02:34:03.000 I'm not convinced about the moon landing.
02:34:04.000 I'm not convinced about this.
02:34:05.000 I don't know.
02:34:06.000 You ever heard Bill Clinton's take on the moon landing?
02:34:08.000 No.
02:34:09.000 This is one of the best.
02:34:10.000 Bill Clinton wrote this book called My Life, and in his book My Life, he had a whole quote about the moon.
02:34:19.000 Here, I'll pull it up.
02:34:20.000 Oh, I know my life book.
02:34:23.000 This is the quote.
02:34:25.000 He wrote in his quote, he wrote about when he was young and he had seen the moon landing.
02:34:31.000 He goes, this is, I forget what page it is.
02:34:34.000 It just says, just a month before Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong...
02:34:40.000 We're good to go. 0.99
02:35:19.000 That's fucking crazy. 1.00
02:35:21.000 That's crazy that a president of the United States would say... 0.99
02:35:26.000 I saw some things on television during my time in Washington that make me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time, specifically talking about a guy claiming that the moon landings were fake.
02:35:37.000 See, I could totally buy it, too, because of the fact that, especially then, where technology is.
02:35:44.000 I mean, look at us now.
02:35:45.000 We haven't gone back, and we've sent a rover to Mars, but we have not done...
02:35:50.000 Well, rovers are easy.
02:35:52.000 Yeah, I know.
02:35:52.000 The real thing is biological life in space.
02:35:54.000 That's the really difficult thing, because of the radiation, because of the solar flares, because of all sorts of micrometeors.
02:36:02.000 There's all sorts of things that can happen to someone when they're outside.
02:36:05.000 Yeah.
02:36:06.000 You know, you're out there in space, you're not protected by the environment, you're not protected by the atmosphere, so there's no protection from, like, micrometeors, asteroidal impacts, like, all the different things.
02:36:17.000 Like, when you see shooting stars, those are fucking rocks that were in space that made their way down to Earth, but they get eaten up in the atmosphere, and they burn out.
02:36:26.000 Yeah, I mean, the radiation is the big one. 0.94
02:36:28.000 I mean, here's the thing.
02:36:29.000 I think that we're going to know, and I'll tell you when we're going to know, is these independent contractors are trying to get to the moon, Google being one of them.
02:36:38.000 When someone else besides the government goes to the moon, I don't mean the Russian government at the same time.
02:36:45.000 Like, if someone independent goes to the moon and it looks way different than it did when they did it in the 60s, you know?
02:36:51.000 And it's like, oh, like, really, don't float when we walk here.
02:36:55.000 You know what I mean?
02:36:56.000 Like, then we'll know. 0.99
02:36:57.000 You know, there's a lot of fucking things about that. 0.95
02:37:00.000 There's, you know, on that one website with the Kubrick thing, they, like, do this contrast thing where it kind of compares the 2001 monkey scenes to the... 0.98
02:37:08.000 Yeah, well, they were comparing a style of filming, I think it was called front screen projection.
02:37:14.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:37:15.000 Something along those lines.
02:37:16.000 That's exactly what it is.
02:37:17.000 Front screen or rear screen or whatever it is.
02:37:21.000 It's like a two-way mirror and there's these certain kind of beads and there's the projection coming from a different angle.
02:37:29.000 You're able to film the actors on the stage at the same time as the background instead of adding it later, so that's why it looks real.
02:37:35.000 Yeah, the Reality Sandwich title is How Kubrick Faked the Moon Landing.
02:37:41.000 Yeah.
02:37:43.000 I think, I don't know if this is, I believed in it wholeheartedly for a long time.
02:37:48.000 And this Reality Sandwich article shows the use of this front screen projection method and how it mimics, I think that's what it's called, How it mimics what the shots looked like from the moon landings.
02:38:01.000 The real issue with the moon landings is how few...
02:38:04.000 If you stop and think about between 1969 and 1972, that that's when all these took place, and that no one has been more than 400 miles above the Earth's surface since then.
02:38:16.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
02:38:17.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.94
02:38:18.000 That's what seems so ridiculous to me.
02:38:21.000 Not only that, how about when Neil Armstrong, there's a 20th anniversary of the moon landing for NASA, and he gives a speech, or 25th anniversary I think it was, yeah, that's what it was, and he gives this speech at the White House,
02:38:38.000 and his words were, there are great ideas, undiscovered breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers.
02:38:47.000 That's the quote that he gives.
02:38:49.000 He's speaking to America's honor students, like all the high school students that get the best grades in science and math and all these different things, and they're all there listening to this guy who's the first man on the moon talk, and this is the thing he says.
02:39:03.000 There are great ideas, undiscovered breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth-protective layers. 0.97
02:39:10.000 What the fuck does that mean? 0.99
02:39:12.000 Between him and Clinton, it's almost like if the moon landings were real, they're clearly fucking with everybody. 0.99
02:39:19.000 They're just begging for people to read into it. 0.97
02:39:22.000 But if it wasn't real, it's almost poetic how they're dropping these truths.
02:39:28.000 Yeah, that was how, with Kubrick, they said that in a lot of the films, he was dropping the guilt of the fact that he lied, that he did this thing, and that he was trying to admit it in a lot of the films.
02:39:43.000 It is pretty crazy that the last time people went was 1972. Yeah, and we haven't even come fucking close since then.
02:39:49.000 Not only have we not come close, we've never gone further than 400 miles.
02:39:53.000 That's the thing about every single space shuttle mission, every space station mission, everything is inside of 400 miles from the Earth's surface, except the Apollo missions.
02:40:03.000 All of those were 260,000 miles and back.
02:40:08.000 You know, it's hard to believe.
02:40:12.000 It is hard to believe.
02:40:13.000 I mean, it's like, yeah, no one's ever going to make it to the moon.
02:40:16.000 They're never going to prove it.
02:40:17.000 We'll all be dead by the time they do anyway, so who cares? 0.95
02:40:19.000 The big mindfuck for me is when you look at the moon itself. 0.96
02:40:22.000 Like, you're sitting at home, and you look up, and you see the moon, and you're like... 1.00
02:40:26.000 Bitch, nobody went there. 1.00
02:40:27.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:40:28.000 You're like, you did not.
02:40:30.000 No way. 1.00
02:40:31.000 Look at that shit. 1.00
02:40:32.000 That's bullshit. 1.00
02:40:33.000 But we know that they did go to space. 0.99
02:40:35.000 So if they go to... 0.99
02:40:36.000 I mean, I couldn't believe they could go to space in a fucking rocket from 1969. Yeah. 0.99
02:40:41.000 Yeah.
02:40:42.000 I don't know.
02:40:43.000 I don't know.
02:40:44.000 Look, I love sexy ideas.
02:40:45.000 And the big sexy idea is that they didn't go.
02:40:48.000 That they faked it all.
02:40:49.000 And they somehow or another kept it for the American people.
02:40:51.000 That's the big sexy idea.
02:40:52.000 Yeah.
02:40:52.000 That's the fun one.
02:40:53.000 That's the fun version. 1.00
02:40:54.000 It's also that that time was just so filled with bullshit. 1.00
02:40:58.000 That was the time of the Nixon administration, Watergate, and fucking... 1.00
02:41:03.000 I mean, that was just lying. 0.99
02:41:04.000 The Gulf of Tonkin incident.
02:41:06.000 They'd already faked... 1.00
02:41:07.000 They got us into Vietnam with a fake fucking attack. 1.00
02:41:10.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:41:10.000 I mean, that's widely accepted now. 0.99
02:41:14.000 That the Gulf of Tonkin incident...
02:41:15.000 It was a false flag.
02:41:16.000 Yeah.
02:41:17.000 Didn't really happen.
02:41:18.000 And that caused more than a million deaths.
02:41:21.000 Yeah.
02:41:21.000 They got us into, I mean, that's way crazier than the idea of just faking a trip to a nearby planet.
02:41:27.000 It's true, man.
02:41:29.000 You're so right, man.
02:41:30.000 And, you know, as time goes on, like, these things do get exposed. 0.99
02:41:34.000 That would be a motherfucker of a mindfuck, though, if they did find out that it really was all bullshit, that no one did land on the moon. 0.99
02:41:42.000 Yeah, like, what if everything was true? 1.00
02:41:47.000 All the conspiracy shit was true, you know what I mean? 0.99
02:41:49.000 Like, you just start finding that shit out. 1.00
02:41:51.000 I mean, look, man, if, what's his name? 0.99
02:41:54.000 Virgin Galactic. 0.99
02:41:55.000 If you can pay in Bitcoin to get on a fucking trip to space right now. 0.99
02:42:00.000 Like, take me to the moon. 0.99
02:42:01.000 Yeah, that's too far.
02:42:03.000 They can't really do that.
02:42:04.000 Did you ever hear about the fake moon rock that was given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin?
02:42:10.000 No, it was fake?
02:42:11.000 Yeah.
02:42:12.000 Pull it up.
02:42:13.000 It's kind of interesting, Jamie.
02:42:14.000 Wait a minute.
02:42:15.000 There was a moon rock that was given to the Dutch Prime Minister by the Apollo 11 astronauts.
02:42:21.000 And once they examined it, like many, many years later, they were doing it for, I believe it was for an insurance investigation, and it was actually just petrified wood.
02:42:33.000 Really?
02:42:33.000 Yeah, it was attached to a plaque that said it was there from Apollo 11 and Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin taking this from the moon.
02:42:46.000 And Buzz Aldrin and Neil said, yeah, this is really for the moon.
02:42:50.000 Oh yeah, that's what it said on the plaque.
02:42:52.000 They lied.
02:42:52.000 Well, you know, whoever...
02:42:55.000 Gave them the rock.
02:42:57.000 I don't know if the actual rock was handed to them by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, but it was supposedly a rock that was given to the Dutch Prime Minister from the Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 and it was fake.
02:43:14.000 Wow.
02:43:15.000 Yeah.
02:43:16.000 It was during a global tour.
02:43:22.000 It was given to them 50 years.
02:43:27.000 Okay, it says, The Rock was given to William Dries, a former Dutch leader, during a global tour by Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, and Buzz Aldrin, following their moon mission.
02:43:41.000 Yeah.
02:43:41.000 The rock was then donated to a museum after the Dutch Prime Minister's death in 1988. And so then after that, I guess they decided to test it.
02:43:53.000 And when they tested it, they found out that it was actually just petrified wood. 1.00
02:44:03.000 So fucking dumb. 1.00
02:44:05.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:44:06.000 I mean, who knows? 1.00
02:44:07.000 I mean, maybe it's just like, they're like, fuck this guy. 0.99
02:44:09.000 Maybe we did go to the moon, but rocks are valuable. 1.00
02:44:13.000 This guy's a Dutch prime minister. 0.99
02:44:15.000 You got some shit that looks like a moon rock? 1.00
02:44:17.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:44:17.000 It's a symbolic gesture. 1.00
02:44:19.000 Either way, if Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong were in the know, then the moon landing is faked.
02:44:26.000 Well, who knows if they were in the know.
02:44:28.000 But if they weren't in the know, then even further.
02:44:32.000 Look, dude. 0.99
02:44:33.000 If you and I walked on the moon together, and it was just the two of us, and we came back and we're the only two humans that walked on the fucking moon, first of all, wouldn't you think that we would look around and be like, man, look at this shit. 0.98
02:44:44.000 I mean, you don't think we would be like, la la la, whatever, it's the moon, there's another place. 0.98
02:44:48.000 So, by the time you get to this, somebody hands you a fucking piece of wood, this petrified wood, and tells you, hey, this is from your moon trip. 0.90
02:44:56.000 First of all, neither one of you picked it up and brought it back, because you know that. 0.97
02:44:59.000 Second of all, wouldn't you think we would know that it's not, especially if Our whole life was meant to get to this point.
02:45:07.000 And somebody hands you this rock that you're supposed to give to someone that is a moon rock.
02:45:10.000 Don't you think that...
02:45:12.000 I don't know.
02:45:13.000 I'm not a geologist, so I could never even speculate whether or not I'd be able to tell where a rock came from.
02:45:18.000 Well, you'd know for sure that you didn't pick it up and bring it back.
02:45:21.000 Maybe, but maybe it looks a lot like a rock that you brought back and you'd think it was. 0.98
02:45:27.000 You know, I don't know what the fuck a moon rock actually looks. 0.97
02:45:30.000 Pull up a real moon rock. 0.97
02:45:32.000 We just saw that image.
02:45:34.000 As if there is a real moon rock.
02:45:35.000 Well, they definitely got moon rocks that came from Asteroidal Impacts.
02:45:39.000 And that was actually one of the big points of contention because Werner von Braun, who was a Nazi, a straight up Nazi, ladies and gentlemen, that's a real moon rock?
02:45:50.000 Mm-hmm.
02:45:50.000 Wow.
02:45:51.000 It looks like an asteroid.
02:45:53.000 It looks like it came from space.
02:45:56.000 That's the thing about the Werner Herzog thing.
02:45:59.000 Werner Von Braun, rather.
02:46:01.000 Werner Von Braun was in Antarctica in 1969 before the actual, or 67?
02:46:07.000 One of those.
02:46:08.000 Before the actual moon landings took place, collecting asteroids.
02:46:14.000 They had gone to Antarctica because Antarctica is one of the places where they could be assured that a lot of the asteroids that had landed there, for whatever reason they knew, were from the moon themselves.
02:46:26.000 So they collected a lot of these to examine them.
02:46:29.000 Interesting.
02:46:29.000 Yeah, this picture is a Wernher von Braun in Antarctica.
02:46:33.000 He had a broken arm at the time.
02:46:34.000 I don't know what happened to him.
02:46:35.000 Maybe he's thinking about not faking the moon. 0.99
02:46:37.000 They beat the fuck up. 0.99
02:46:38.000 Yeah, that's insane. 0.98
02:46:41.000 Whoa.
02:46:42.000 Huh?
02:46:44.000 There's missing moon rocks.
02:46:45.000 And they're worth a lot of money on the black market.
02:46:48.000 Yeah, I would imagine. 1.00
02:46:49.000 Fucking moon rocks. 0.99
02:46:50.000 Goodwill moon rocks is what it's called. 1.00
02:46:52.000 You could have a moon rock in your house.
02:46:53.000 Five million, that's all. 1.00
02:46:54.000 People come over, they'd be fucking, they'd think you're the shit. 1.00
02:46:58.000 Man. 1.00
02:46:59.000 Well, there's a whole black market for stolen art because there's a lot of people that just, they don't give a fuck. 0.99
02:47:05.000 They just want that art. 0.96
02:47:06.000 Whether it's stolen or not stolen, you know, they just want that art.
02:47:11.000 They could hide it and have people come over and bring them to their secret lair.
02:47:15.000 Look, this is from Egypt. 1.00
02:47:17.000 This is some shit they stole during the Iraq... 1.00
02:47:20.000 All of a sudden, it's like Reagan and the wolf up there. 1.00
02:47:24.000 That was fun.
02:47:25.000 We're running out of time here.
02:47:26.000 In 10 minutes, we turn into a pumpkin.
02:47:28.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:47:29.000 We just did three hours.
02:47:31.000 Hell yeah, we did.
02:47:32.000 Isn't that fast?
02:47:33.000 Man, it's great doing this.
02:47:35.000 I see why it zooms by.
02:47:36.000 It's just fun just to talk.
02:47:38.000 Yeah.
02:47:38.000 And yeah, I mean, you've got the skill of being like, your mind is alive, so it's like when you talk to you, it just rolls.
02:47:45.000 It's like...
02:47:46.000 Seamless information flying all over the place from back and forth.
02:47:50.000 I think we started talking about Scientology and did not take one breath and got all the way to the faked moon landing.
02:47:57.000 Well, there's so much to talk about.
02:47:59.000 That's the thing. 0.98
02:47:59.000 The beautiful thing about this world today is there's so much goddamn information. 0.98
02:48:03.000 Yeah. 0.98
02:48:04.000 It's constantly coming at you.
02:48:05.000 And you can't pay attention to all of it.
02:48:06.000 If you do, you'll go mad.
02:48:08.000 One thing I've done to myself lately is force myself to stay offline for many, many hours, days at a time.
02:48:15.000 I couldn't do it.
02:48:16.000 I mean, I would be happy not to.
02:48:19.000 I'm happy to throw my phone aside because I run my own business.
02:48:23.000 I run the record label that we do with my manager.
02:48:25.000 And like... 0.84
02:48:26.000 Like, I was packing, like, Sunday night, me and my wife were literally packing all the pre-orders of, like, our vinyl that we did in boxes and shipping them and shit. 0.97
02:48:33.000 And we've set up a warehouse and we've done all this shit. 0.98
02:48:36.000 So, like, I'm stressed out all the fucking time. 0.98
02:48:39.000 And I'm in the studio all the time. 0.99
02:48:40.000 And I've got my kids all the time.
02:48:41.000 So, like, when I get my kids, I, like, love throwing my phone aside.
02:48:44.000 But I would be real bummed if I didn't have, like...
02:48:48.000 Didn't have no...
02:48:49.000 If I wasn't able to get on the internet.
02:48:51.000 Because, like, part of my favorite...
02:48:52.000 My non-stress time is...
02:48:55.000 There's a game called Combat Arms.
02:48:57.000 It's like a free first-person shooter game online only that me and my manager and buddies, we go in there and play and kill each other and do that kind of stuff. 0.99
02:49:06.000 Or I sit on IRC and talk about shit. 0.98
02:49:09.000 IRC? Dude, you're a serious geek. 1.00
02:49:11.000 You go on IRC? All the time.
02:49:14.000 I sit on there all the time.
02:49:18.000 Late at night, I'll go on the Bitcoin channels on the Freenode thing.
02:49:23.000 Which is their certain kind of communication server and talk to a lot of developer guys and stuff.
02:49:29.000 Like, yeah, man.
02:49:30.000 It's like, that's my favorite thing to do, you know?
02:49:33.000 I don't do Facebook.
02:49:34.000 You don't?
02:49:35.000 Nah, I mean, I have an official page, but I don't use it.
02:49:39.000 I don't like...
02:49:39.000 Do it socially.
02:49:41.000 I'll do Twitter.
02:49:43.000 I always like Twitter because it's kind of like a one-way thing in a weird way.
02:49:47.000 I always liked that communication better, but then I got a little overwhelmed by it. 0.97
02:49:52.000 I used to be on it all the time, and I used to do shit all the time.
02:49:57.000 When I went through my split up with my last... 0.87
02:50:03.000 It just got really complicated.
02:50:05.000 All of a sudden there were factions of people and there were people commenting.
02:50:09.000 It just became kind of weird.
02:50:15.000 Yeah, if you go through something in public and everything is subject to other people's criticisms and evaluations, with or without any information whatsoever, and then you watch it all play out, you're like, what?
02:50:26.000 Yeah.
02:50:26.000 See, right around that time, I had just started to creep into Facebook and started to enjoy it.
02:50:31.000 I was posting pictures of... 0.94
02:50:33.000 Skeletor and shit that I was into all day long with my friends, and I'm keeping up with my friends for the first time. 0.96
02:50:38.000 I'm like, oh, this is kind of cool. 1.00
02:50:40.000 And then this wave of negativity hit me, and I'm like, fuck that thing! 1.00
02:50:43.000 I threw it away. 0.99
02:50:45.000 So I've never done Facebook since.
02:50:47.000 And then Twitter, I kind of...
02:50:49.000 I backed off a little bit on, but I like it a lot better.
02:50:55.000 I definitely think it's more my speed, but if I had it my way, everybody would be an IRC. What I like about Twitter is retweeting shit. 0.99
02:51:04.000 People send me interesting stuff, then I can send it to other people, and that motivates people to send me more interesting stuff. 0.97
02:51:09.000 So then you've got this constant network of interesting stories coming your way.
02:51:13.000 Yes, that's very true. 0.99
02:51:15.000 Yeah, there's definitely a lot of dumb shit and gossip and stuff that people get caught up in it, but that's just human beings, man. 1.00
02:51:21.000 Human beings love stupid shit. 1.00
02:51:24.000 Yeah, they like to be assholes, you know, and just say shit. 1.00
02:51:26.000 Oh yeah, and just to fuck with you, to see if they can get a rise out of you, just to get you to react, just so that they know that, you know, Shooter Jennings is a real person on the other end of that. 1.00
02:51:35.000 Yeah, that's why I like to keep it where they think I'm not real. 0.99
02:51:39.000 Just kidding.
02:51:40.000 Like, I don't react. 0.97
02:51:41.000 No, you know, it's funny, like, Ricky Rackman is a buddy of mine, and he was telling me that, he's like, it's funny that people write you nice shit all day long and you never replied to it, but like, one guy says something shitty to you. 0.96
02:51:51.000 Right, right, right. 1.00
02:51:52.000 Fuck you, dude! 1.00
02:51:53.000 That's why they do it. 1.00
02:51:56.000 There's many, many people.
02:51:58.000 I never go back and forth with people.
02:52:01.000 I used to. 1.00
02:52:02.000 It's stupid. 1.00
02:52:03.000 It's a waste of energy. 1.00
02:52:04.000 But I will go online and read something.
02:52:07.000 If someone says something rude, then I'll go look at their profile and I'll see.
02:52:11.000 Even if they don't say something rude to me, I'll go to see if they say rude things to other people.
02:52:15.000 And you find out that their whole profile is just doing that. 1.00
02:52:18.000 Like, hey, asshole. 1.00
02:52:20.000 Yeah, I found that out too. 1.00
02:52:21.000 One time I said something.
02:52:22.000 I said that...
02:52:25.000 Actually, this is kind of when I backed off of Twitter. 0.99
02:52:27.000 I tweeted something about John Mayer being a giant douche because I thought that he all of a sudden was all Hollywood and he was all played out of Hollywood and then all of a sudden he buys this place in Montana and he got a poncho and starts growing his hair out and wearing a cowboy hat and doing all that shit. 0.99
02:52:43.000 I was like, give me a fucking break. 0.98
02:52:44.000 But he's still hanging out at the fucking Chateau in Vermont, but he's putting this image forward. 1.00
02:52:49.000 And I was like, phony. 1.00
02:52:51.000 More than phony shit. 1.00
02:52:52.000 So I just called him out on it. 1.00
02:52:53.000 And TMZ put it...
02:52:55.000 I remember it was Halloween of 2012. I'll never forget it.
02:53:00.000 Because TMZ fucking puts that shit everywhere. 1.00
02:53:04.000 And all of a sudden I'm getting calls from my brother and my family. 1.00
02:53:08.000 They're seeing it on the Yahoo page.
02:53:11.000 TMZ says this thing about how I called him a king douche and all that.
02:53:15.000 And dude, all of a sudden I had...
02:53:17.000 I'm looking at my Twitter and it says I've got...
02:53:19.000 Like, lots of mentions.
02:53:21.000 And the number just keep going up. 1.00
02:53:23.000 And it was like 15,000 15-year-olds telling me what a piece of shit I was. 1.00
02:53:28.000 And I was like, nobody. 1.00
02:53:30.000 And I was doing this shit for attention. 0.98
02:53:32.000 I mean, I've never seen... 0.98
02:53:33.000 So I just started retweeting all of them. 1.00
02:53:35.000 Just constantly retweeting all these people telling me what a piece of shit I was, you know? 0.99
02:53:39.000 But after that, I was like, man. 0.99
02:53:41.000 I mean, it just scared me to death.
02:53:42.000 I was like, I am...
02:53:43.000 That's not worth it.
02:53:45.000 Do you know John Mayer?
02:53:46.000 No, I've never met him.
02:53:47.000 Is it possible that he just, like, found out that, like, having a place in Montana is pretty cool?
02:53:51.000 Probably.
02:53:52.000 Are you friends with him?
02:53:52.000 I don't know him, no.
02:53:54.000 I heard he's a nice guy, though.
02:53:55.000 He hangs out at the comedy store sometimes.
02:53:57.000 He's actually done stand-up.
02:53:58.000 I mean, I know.
02:54:00.000 It's easy to call him a douche.
02:54:02.000 First of all, he's way too pretty. 1.00
02:54:03.000 Well, I know some girls that are friends of mine that have been real fucked by him in town. 1.00
02:54:07.000 Like, some guys, like, you know, you can fuck their friend, and then, like... 1.00
02:54:10.000 He was a douchebag. 1.00
02:54:11.000 So I've kind of gotten some wind of him that way. 0.98
02:54:13.000 But isn't there two sides to that too?
02:54:15.000 Isn't it possible those girls are annoying and they hooked up with him and he was like, you know what, I can't deal with you anymore. 0.99
02:54:20.000 The lesson is don't shit talk somebody before you know the truth. 1.00
02:54:22.000 She was like, fuck John Mayer. 1.00
02:54:23.000 He's an asshole. 1.00
02:54:24.000 But meanwhile, he just got bored. 1.00
02:54:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:54:27.000 He doesn't like them.
02:54:28.000 Maybe they're annoying.
02:54:30.000 The same type of girls that go on ratting them out and saying these crazy things about them, those are also the same type of girls that would be annoying if you were John Mayer and you were dating that girl, right? 0.99
02:54:40.000 Right.
02:54:42.000 Yeah.
02:54:43.000 It's easy.
02:54:44.000 He's too pretty.
02:54:45.000 You can say that, but you can also say, man, I really don't like his music, first of all.
02:54:49.000 That's true.
02:54:49.000 And I really didn't like his version of Free Fall On, which was all these 12-year-old kids think John Mayer wrote this song.
02:54:56.000 And so I already had issues, and I'm sure that there are people that have the same kind of issues with me, but it is kind of a well-known fact that John Mayer is a douchebag.
02:55:05.000 I mean, I can guarantee that it's kind of not news to say.
02:55:10.000 I don't know the guy.
02:55:11.000 I don't either.
02:55:12.000 I would reserve judgment until I meet a person.
02:55:14.000 See, that makes you a better man than I in this situation, because I did not reserve judgment.
02:55:20.000 I'm reading this Rolling Stone article, and my blood is boiling.
02:55:23.000 Because he bought a ranch in Montana.
02:55:25.000 Just because he's putting forth this...
02:55:28.000 He calls himself the new Neil Young in the article.
02:55:32.000 He says, I'm this generation's Neil Young or something like that.
02:55:35.000 And I was like, that's what flipped the switch for me. 1.00
02:55:37.000 I was like, fuck you and your fucking body is in Wonderland. 1.00
02:55:41.000 Fuck you. 1.00
02:55:42.000 That's what it was. 1.00
02:55:45.000 Don't say that.
02:55:47.000 He said, if I'm this generation's Neil Young, then Nora Jones is this generation's...
02:55:53.000 I don't know who he is.
02:55:54.000 Jazz Joplin?
02:55:55.000 It was something so like, that doesn't work.
02:55:59.000 It was like something even worse that he said.
02:56:01.000 But I mean, just to say that just rubbed me the wrong way.
02:56:05.000 I'm a huge Neil Young fan.
02:56:06.000 I am as well.
02:56:06.000 You've got a lot to learn before you're going to be Neil Young, John Mayer.
02:56:10.000 I worked at a concert.
02:56:12.000 Before I was a comedian, I worked as a security guard at Great Woods.
02:56:16.000 Great Woods is this place in Mansfield, Massachusetts that has these concerts.
02:56:20.000 And the Neil Young show was the last one I ever worked. 0.98
02:56:23.000 I was like, this is too fucking crazy.
02:56:25.000 I was like, I gotta get out. 0.98
02:56:26.000 Because I thought I was gonna get killed.
02:56:29.000 Somebody was gonna get killed.
02:56:30.000 Yeah, it was madness.
02:56:31.000 Because the way Great Woods works is...
02:56:34.000 There's a covered area, and then there's a back area that's like a lawn. 0.76
02:56:39.000 And all the security people were assigned to, you know, stop people from bringing in booze, like they'd bring in bottles of wine and stuff like that, bottles of whiskey, and also to keep order, like when shit would go haywire.
02:56:54.000 Well, the lawn, the thing about the lawn was there was no assigned seating.
02:56:57.000 So everybody just sat wherever they wanted to on the lawn.
02:57:00.000 Well, people just started fires.
02:57:02.000 And during the Neil Young concert, they had to shut the concert down because the lawn was on fire.
02:57:07.000 Oh, man.
02:57:08.000 And then fights broke out, and I had a security jacket on, and I covered my security jacket, or I turned it inside out. 0.99
02:57:15.000 I don't remember what I did, but I was like, fuck this job. 0.99
02:57:17.000 I zipped it up, and I'm like, I'm a normal person now, and I got the fuck out of there. 0.99
02:57:22.000 I don't even know if I got paid for the last day of work. 0.94
02:57:24.000 I don't know if I punched out. 0.97
02:57:26.000 I don't remember shit, but I remember saying to myself, I was probably 19 at the time. 0.96
02:57:30.000 It was a long time ago. 0.99
02:57:31.000 But I remember saying, this is the last day I work as a security guard.
02:57:35.000 And it was the Neil Young Show.
02:57:38.000 Because it was just so crazy. 0.99
02:57:39.000 There was fights breaking out, and fucking bottles were flying, and fire, and it was like, this is, what was I getting paid, like 10 bucks an hour or something stupid back then? 0.99
02:57:48.000 It was like, this is not worth it. 0.99
02:57:51.000 Wow, that's funny, man.
02:57:53.000 But it was cool that it was Neil Young.
02:57:54.000 Yeah.
02:57:55.000 At least you go out with a bang. 1.00
02:57:56.000 You go out with fucking Neil Young, and that's like, you know, yeah, Neil Young's the shit. 1.00
02:58:02.000 You know, he lives up in Northern California. 1.00
02:58:04.000 He's got a giant ranch.
02:58:05.000 He makes his own diesel.
02:58:07.000 Yeah, and he's got, like, what, he made that new iPod thing he's trying to sell, and he's got...
02:58:12.000 Yeah, what is it?
02:58:12.000 Like, it's his own version of an MP3 player, right?
02:58:15.000 Yeah, I don't know how you can jump in that game.
02:58:17.000 That seems to me like a, it always seems like a poor business decision to try, because if he's not making a phone, you're not gonna beat the iPod.
02:58:24.000 Like, nobody buys iPods.
02:58:26.000 They buy phones that have music on them now.
02:58:28.000 I mean, there's no...
02:58:29.000 Yeah.
02:58:29.000 It's called a Puyo or a...
02:58:31.000 Yeah, it's called Pono.
02:58:33.000 Pono. 0.58
02:58:34.000 I mean, look, I think it's awesome technology that he's got some shit where it's like the audio quality is way better, but I mean, you're jumping in. 0.92
02:58:41.000 That's like saying... 0.72
02:58:42.000 Is that what the idea is?
02:58:44.000 The audio quality is a lot better.
02:58:46.000 Is it?
02:58:47.000 Have you ever tried it, Jamie?
02:58:47.000 I haven't tried it, but they're trying to sell to audiophiles, and that's the idea.
02:58:51.000 But no one's listening.
02:58:52.000 The music isn't made for it.
02:58:55.000 They're mastering for digital quality for iTunes, so you have to remaster everything.
02:59:00.000 It's kind of weird.
02:59:01.000 I mean, it seems like a losing game to jump into.
02:59:04.000 Yeah.
02:59:04.000 Although, you know, a guy like him, like, I mean, they crowdfunded it.
02:59:10.000 Yeah, that's the weird thing, right?
02:59:12.000 Is that it's crowdfunded.
02:59:13.000 But can you play stuff from your...
02:59:15.000 Yeah.
02:59:16.000 Can you transfer stuff from your Apple, from iTunes to that?
02:59:19.000 Will it sound better?
02:59:20.000 Ideally, they say yes.
02:59:22.000 Ideally.
02:59:23.000 Yeah.
02:59:23.000 How much better will it sound, though?
02:59:24.000 A lot of time you're listening to it through shitty-ass fucking... 0.99
02:59:27.000 It's supposed to make iTunes stuff sound better? 1.00
02:59:30.000 I don't believe that.
02:59:31.000 Quote, unquote, that's what they've got some crazy algorithm and that's what is going on inside.
02:59:35.000 Really?
02:59:35.000 Yeah, but I mean, you start getting into art.
02:59:39.000 This sounds better versus this sounds better.
02:59:40.000 Yeah, it does, but I don't like it.
02:59:42.000 Do you like it?
02:59:43.000 You like it.
02:59:43.000 I don't like it.
02:59:44.000 Okay, well, let's just move on to tomorrow because this is a silly argument. 0.95
02:59:48.000 Yeah, but they're pointing out in this article about it that it doesn't mean jack shit if you don't have really good headphones behind it. 0.81
02:59:55.000 It's kind of interesting.
02:59:57.000 What's interesting is to see if people react to this and they up the sound quality for phones.
03:00:04.000 The video just died?
03:00:05.000 Well, we ran out of time?
03:00:06.000 Yeah, just a heads up.
03:00:07.000 Oh, alright.
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03:00:49.000 Shooter Jennings!
03:00:49.000 This was fun, man.
03:00:50.000 We've got to do this more often.
03:00:51.000 Great, man.
03:00:52.000 Do it again.
03:00:53.000 Anytime you want.
03:00:53.000 I've got a stack of vinyls for you that I forgot to bring.
03:00:55.000 Bring in the vinyls.
03:00:56.000 Next time you come, whatever, man.
03:00:58.000 We'll figure something out.
03:00:59.000 Thank you very much, brother.
03:01:00.000 I appreciate it.
03:01:01.000 Thank you so much for having me on the air, man.
03:01:02.000 See you guys.
03:01:04.000 Dude, that was fun.
03:01:06.000 Zoom by.
03:01:09.000 I want to do DMT, man.
03:01:11.000 Okay.
03:01:13.000 That's all I can think about since we had that conversation.