The Joe Rogan Experience - September 11, 2014


Joe Rogan Experience #548 - Tim Burnett

Topics
Warrior Bars and Kettlebells fantasy football reality TV shows hiking dangers bow hunting bears Dead Sea Scrolls interpretation hunting lifestyle organic food sustainability hunting sponsors for the podcast advertising and sponsorship in hunting shows grass-fed beef living off the farm factory farming birth control in Hamptons ticks chronic fatigue syndrome and Lyme disease diagnosis hunting wild pig hunting and meat pig hunting hunting education hunting douchebag guns and control hunting lightweight boots for hunting compound bows technology hunting bow hunting Cameron Haynes' shooting philosophy
Hosted by
Joe Rogan
Guests
Tim Burnett
Mentioned
Ting Armour Mark Solo Hunter James Hatfield Jim Shockey Ted Nugent Cameron Haynes Steve Rinella Remy Warren Tim Burnett John Redmond Reagan Jamie Noah Brian Callen Burning Man Sportsman Ranella Waddell and 46 more
Joe Rogan Experience #547 - Joe DeRosa Joe Rogan Experience #549 - Big Jay Oakerson

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2 hours and 58 minutes

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205.05

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36,618

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3,560

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Misogyny

43

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Toxicity

586

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37

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In this episode of the podcast, we talk about the new Werewolf Legend Kettlebells, the new Warrior Bar, and some other stuff. We also talk about Draftkings and how they messed up Jamie's fantasy football league and how he's going to make his picks for next week's NFL league. And we talk a little bit about the time Jamie was in a panic because he couldn't get online for the first time in a long time, and then he got fucked the second time... and it's a good thing he got it right the third time, because he had to go to work the next day. We're also talking about how much better it is to drink coffee than to drink a lot of coffee, and why you should drink more coffee than you should be drinking coffee. And if you're one of those dorks who are into fantasy football, you should know that DraftKings are the new sponsor of the week. Use the code ROGAN and you'll get 10% off any and all supplements and foods you want to try. We'll be giving you $10 off your first box of your favorite protein powder and a bunch of other stuff you like. We hope you enjoy this episode, and we'll see you next week for the next episode! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and tell a friend about what you think of our podcast. We really appreciate it! Timestamps: 0:00 - What kind of coffee you're drinking? 5:30 - How much coffee you drink? 6: How much is too much coffee? 7:00 8: Shoulderbells? 9: What's your favorite thing you like to drink? 11: How often do you drink coffee? 13:20 - What do you need to sleep? 16:40 - How do you like your coffee? 17:10 - Do you need more coffee? 18:00 What are you looking for a good cup of coffee? 19:00 Do you like coffee? 20:00 How much does it feel like you need it? 21:30 How much caffeine? 22:00 Should you like it? 27: Should you drink it? 24:30 Can you tell me what you don't like it's better than that? 25:00 Is it better than you're getting enough coffee? 26:00 Can you have enough coffee or less? 29:30 Is it more than medium?

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00:00:03.000 Hey, everybody.
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00:00:30.000 The Great Apes Kettlebells and the Zombie Kettlebells. 0.78
00:00:33.000 We just came out with the newest one, the Legend Bells, and it's pretty fucking awesome. 0.87
00:00:39.000 It's a 28 kilogram werewolf. 0.80
00:00:41.000 So what is that, 54 pounds or something like that?
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00:00:53.000 Yeah, we suck at metric system. 0.84
00:00:56.000 Remember when they tried to push that shit? 1.00
00:00:58.000 Do you remember? 1.00
00:00:59.000 Yeah.
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00:01:05.000 Inches, pounds.
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00:01:08.000 Kilograms. 1.00
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00:01:18.000 Maybe a Bigfoot.
00:01:19.000 I'm not going to lie to you.
00:01:20.000 Might be coming.
00:01:21.000 Ha ha ha ha. 0.94
00:01:23.000 All the kettlebells that we have, though, we have regular ones, you know, if you're not into fancy shit, that are just standard kettlebells.
00:01:31.000 And then the primal bells and the legend bells, the zombie bells, all those are 3D mapped.
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00:03:33.000 I need more coffee.
00:03:35.000 That's what happens when I come here after I work out.
00:03:36.000 My brain's like, what's going on?
00:03:38.000 Why are we talking?
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00:03:49.000 Easy. 0.62
00:03:49.000 We were in Denver and Jamie was in a panic. 0.62
00:03:52.000 The kid was in a tizzy because he couldn't get online with his phone to make his choices for his fantasy football league. 0.98
00:04:00.000 And him and his friends, they're so serious about this shit that they had to reset. 0.99
00:04:04.000 You guys reset, right? 0.99
00:04:05.000 You reset the whole draft.
00:04:06.000 I did it later and I had to miss it. 0.99
00:04:09.000 So you got fucked the second time. 1.00
00:04:11.000 I got super fucked. 1.00
00:04:12.000 Okay, they got fucked the first time and then you got fucked the second time. 1.00
00:04:15.000 Yes. 1.00
00:04:15.000 That's bullshit. 1.00
00:04:16.000 You got it first. 1.00
00:04:18.000 I'm pushing for a redraft right now.
00:04:19.000 I agree with you.
00:04:20.000 I say we promote it on the podcast. 1.00
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00:05:01.000 It almost makes me want to play fantasy football. 1.00
00:05:05.000 Almost.
00:05:05.000 But I can't do it.
00:05:06.000 I can't dig that deep into the dork drawer.
00:05:11.000 But if I could, I would do it at DraftKings.com. 0.99
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00:05:34.000 I'll just go for all the black guys. 0.99
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00:05:38.000 The strongest. 0.76
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00:05:40.000 Is that a good move?
00:05:41.000 For the NFL, that'll work.
00:05:42.000 That's all they do, right?
00:05:43.000 Is that what they do?
00:05:44.000 Yeah.
00:05:46.000 They seem to be better at it.
00:05:50.000 There's like white linebackers that are good, right? 0.98
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00:05:53.000 I'm writing this piece because of the whole Jon Jones racism thing.
00:05:56.000 I'm writing this whole piece about how when I was a kid, I used to root for white guys. 0.89
00:05:59.000 It's totally true.
00:06:00.000 I used to root for Jerry Cooney. 1.00
00:06:02.000 Ray Mercer fucking cured me of that shit when he beat the fuck out of Tommy Morrison. 1.00
00:06:06.000 I'm like, I'm so done only trying to root for white guys. 1.00
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00:06:33.000 If you win a million bucks, will you quit?
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00:10:53.000 Tim Burnett from Solo Hunter is here.
00:10:55.000 Why fuck around, Jamie? 1.00
00:10:57.000 Cue the music. 1.00
00:11:10.000 So, over the last couple years, I've really gotten into hunting.
00:11:14.000 I went on my first hunting trip with Steve Rinella and started watching a lot of hunting TV shows.
00:11:18.000 I've kind of always watched a lot of them, but your show really stood out.
00:11:22.000 And this is a show, you guys on the Outdoor Channel?
00:11:25.000 Outdoor Channel.
00:11:25.000 Outdoor Channel.
00:11:26.000 Outdoor Channel, it's called Solo Hunter.
00:11:28.000 And you go out there, you and I've seen the ones with Remy Warren as well.
00:11:33.000 And by yourself, just bring cameras, go to these remote locations, hike in, set up the cameras, and you're using your own cameras, you're like setting up the shots while you're aiming.
00:11:46.000 Like you're getting ready to shoot the animals, and you're setting everything, like you've got little handheld things here, and GoPros, and...
00:11:53.000 It's got to make it very difficult.
00:11:55.000 Yeah, it's annoying.
00:11:56.000 It's a pain.
00:11:57.000 To not just get out there and, you know, hunting is difficult enough.
00:12:03.000 Creeping up on animals, stalking, getting into position is difficult enough.
00:12:07.000 But I would imagine that being your own cameraman makes it, I mean, what's the, 50% harder?
00:12:13.000 100% harder?
00:12:14.000 Oh.
00:12:15.000 You know, the hunting part of it, it's the same.
00:12:17.000 You're still hunting.
00:12:18.000 And actually, it makes me a better hunter because I find that I'm a lot more patient and a lot more relaxed about it and more deliberate in my hunting.
00:12:24.000 So it's not just like, oh, I got a rifle.
00:12:26.000 All I got to do is get within 400 yards.
00:12:28.000 It's like, no, I got a rifle and I got a camera and I got this.
00:12:30.000 So I feel like I hunt better, but the actual success rate of killing and getting it on film and that kind of thing, it's a lot harder.
00:12:39.000 Is it like, would you say you're like half as successful?
00:12:43.000 Yeah.
00:12:43.000 This way?
00:12:44.000 No, I mean...
00:12:45.000 No, I don't think it's affected my success rate on actually harvesting an animal, but...
00:12:51.000 It just makes it more difficult to do.
00:12:52.000 It makes it more difficult to do, and it's a hassle.
00:12:57.000 It's not a hassle.
00:12:58.000 I mean, it's what I do, but it's hard.
00:13:00.000 It makes it to where it's not just a hunt anymore.
00:13:03.000 It's a hunt that I'm trying to document, and then now when you look at it and you're trying to actually produce something good that people are going to want to watch instead of...
00:13:11.000 Is that a whatever?
00:13:12.000 Then you're putting more thought into producing it than you are the hunting part of it. 0.50
00:13:16.000 And then it's like, well, crap, now I'm not a very good hunter because I'm a good producer.
00:13:19.000 So you have this constant dilemma. 0.58
00:13:20.000 You can tell I'm already tore up about it, but it's like you have this constant back and forth between yourself.
00:13:25.000 It's like, screw it.
00:13:26.000 Today, I'm just going to hunt, man.
00:13:27.000 I'm not going to touch a camera.
00:13:28.000 And then halfway through the day, I'm like miserable because nothing's going on.
00:13:32.000 I'm like, I don't even have anything to show for it. 1.00
00:13:34.000 Well, it's stupid. 0.99
00:13:35.000 Turn on the cameras. 1.00
00:13:36.000 You'll have something to show for it.
00:13:37.000 So...
00:13:37.000 Right.
00:13:40.000 It's a tricky way to do a television show.
00:13:43.000 And you do all the producing yourself?
00:13:46.000 Do you do all the film editing a lot of jazz?
00:13:48.000 Yeah, I do all the editing.
00:13:49.000 That's just kind of my thing for it.
00:13:51.000 And I like it because I can get more emotionally invested into it.
00:13:56.000 I feel like it can come out different.
00:13:57.000 But I'm not the best editor out there.
00:13:59.000 I'm just the one that happens to edit that show because I'm a low-budget guy.
00:14:02.000 And when I started out, it was...
00:14:04.000 I mean, it wasn't even ready.
00:14:06.000 It wasn't timed yet.
00:14:08.000 How long have you been doing it now?
00:14:09.000 So, Solo Hunter went to air in October of 2010. But I had done TV since 2004 in kind of random ways and that.
00:14:17.000 But we had the guys that I was partners with, we hired a producer that was doing all the editing.
00:14:22.000 And me and Jeff, we'd be in the studio just all day and all night just hammering out with this producer.
00:14:28.000 And at the end of the day, we weren't 100% happy with what we were getting.
00:14:31.000 So when we split up and I went my own route, I was like, you know what?
00:14:34.000 The only way I'm going to do this and make money and...
00:14:38.000 And do it right is I got to learn editing.
00:14:40.000 So I bought, I mean, I bought a computer and just totally self-taught myself how to edit.
00:14:45.000 And I started cranking out some, just some videos online and everything.
00:14:48.000 And that's kind of how I got into it and got more evolved into the TV side of it.
00:14:52.000 So you'd use like Final Cut Pro or something like that?
00:14:54.000 Yeah, in fact, today I'm still using the same exact system that I bought 10 years ago.
00:14:58.000 That same exact system.
00:14:59.000 Really?
00:15:00.000 Nothing's changed.
00:15:00.000 Just a few updates, that's it.
00:15:01.000 Yeah, I'm using Final Cut 7, you know, old school.
00:15:04.000 I don't know what the numbers are up to now.
00:15:06.000 Well, it's like Pro X or something.
00:15:07.000 And Mark here uses Adobe or whatever.
00:15:09.000 But to me, it's like the editing software in that 10-year-old state is way more powerful than my brain is to keep up with it anyway.
00:15:17.000 So it's like all I got to do is link video together and slap some music to it.
00:15:20.000 And I got a TV show.
00:15:21.000 Yeah, it's funny when you look back at computers that were, you know, five, six, seven years ago.
00:15:26.000 They were incredibly powerful and much more powerful than for, you know, the applications that most people use them for.
00:15:32.000 I mean, most people have way overpowered computers.
00:15:34.000 They're just going online, you know, and clicking on links and stuff.
00:15:37.000 And they have these ridiculous computers that can edit and crunch video and, you know, do all kinds of massive calculations and they just never use it.
00:15:44.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:15:44.000 I mean, at the end of the day, do I have the best TV show on the network?
00:15:47.000 No.
00:15:48.000 Do I have the worst one?
00:15:49.000 No.
00:15:49.000 Do I have one that I really like and enjoy and love?
00:15:51.000 Heck yeah.
00:15:52.000 It's one of my favorites to watch.
00:15:53.000 My favorite to watch is Jim Shockey's Uncharted, that new show that he does.
00:15:57.000 Oh, it bores the hell out of me.
00:15:58.000 Does it?
00:15:59.000 You know, I love it for what it is.
00:16:00.000 I don't think it was intended to be a quote-unquote hunting show.
00:16:03.000 No, it's not.
00:16:04.000 It's like a cultural show.
00:16:05.000 Yeah, Branlon is probably one of the best producers that you'll ever find.
00:16:08.000 You know, I mean, it's extremely, extremely well-produced.
00:16:11.000 And, uh...
00:16:12.000 I think that's good, but I also think that a lot of producers, especially young producers coming into the industry, are kind of...
00:16:19.000 Kind of falling into the game where they feel like a show has to be so well produced to be successful.
00:16:25.000 No, it doesn't.
00:16:25.000 You go out and kill something and you bring it home.
00:16:27.000 These are hunting shows we're talking about.
00:16:29.000 They're adventure shows.
00:16:30.000 They don't have to be the best produced shows.
00:16:32.000 Not every shot has to be on a jib or on a slider or a rack focus or all that kind of thing.
00:16:38.000 Capture the action and the entertainment.
00:16:40.000 And that's where a lot of these productions miss out.
00:16:42.000 But Uncharted is incredible from a production standpoint and from a...
00:16:46.000 You know, almost like a modern doc, a modern documentary type of feel to it.
00:16:51.000 Well, if you haven't seen it, Jim Shockey is this guy who's been around forever, this real kind of legendary, the great white hunter from BC, from British Columbia.
00:17:00.000 And he goes all over the world, like, I mean, literally all over the world, like these really remote places in Pakistan.
00:17:06.000 Yeah, he's the man. 0.98
00:17:07.000 To hunt goats you've never heard of, these weird fucking funky looking goats. 0.98
00:17:11.000 And the thing of it is, he's got the life to back it up. 0.98
00:17:16.000 If you look back beyond television, before he started doing television, the man lived that lifestyle.
00:17:21.000 He had it.
00:17:22.000 I mean, he's one of the true people that actually grew up in hunting environment, in not just hunting, but harsh country, doing it the right way and building an outfitting business.
00:17:33.000 And it just happened to evolve into television career.
00:17:35.000 I remember watching him on Realtree when he would do the little segment in the I think it was Realtree.
00:17:40.000 I don't know.
00:17:41.000 That's a long time ago.
00:17:42.000 But he's really, you know, deserved and earned where he's at and put himself there.
00:17:48.000 Yeah, he's coming on sometime in November.
00:17:51.000 We're working it out now.
00:17:52.000 But he does these shows that are almost like they're documentaries on the culture that he's going to as much as it is about the hunting.
00:18:02.000 It delves in a lot to the people, I like.
00:18:04.000 And the way they capture, you know, just like some of those villages and the way people live, you know, I mean, it's incredible.
00:18:10.000 It really brings a reality.
00:18:11.000 It's almost like a Nat Geo type of a feel to it.
00:18:14.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:18:15.000 I'm not interested in doing that, though.
00:18:16.000 No, you know, and the hard thing that I would like to see, and I don't think it could ever happen, but like, can you imagine going to some of those places with somebody and actually experiencing it?
00:18:26.000 And that's the thing that the cameras can't show you.
00:18:28.000 They can't show you the actual experience because inevitably the guy behind the camera or the producer is wanting to bring drama into it.
00:18:34.000 They're wanting to bring something out.
00:18:35.000 What's going to captivate the viewer?
00:18:37.000 Well, I'm going to do this and this.
00:18:38.000 And he may use a shot that the kid was doing dishes or something.
00:18:41.000 And use it in a scene where something dramatic happened and the kid's crying because he was cutting onions or something.
00:18:47.000 I mean, producers have a way of twisting things to make it look more glorified and more glamorous than it might have actually been.
00:18:53.000 Well, that's one of the things about hunting shows.
00:18:55.000 It hasn't happened where it has with reality TV. A lot of these reality TV shows are the furthest thing from reality that you could ever imagine.
00:19:03.000 Everything is completely scripted.
00:19:04.000 It's calculated.
00:19:05.000 Every event's calculated from the beginning to the end. 0.97
00:19:08.000 These shows are just drama shows, like bullshit, fake, fiction drama shows, that they don't have a necessary, they don't have a script, but they have an objective. 0.99
00:19:20.000 Like, you and I are going, we're going to go buy Mexican food, and you're like, I fucking hate, but I hate Mexican food. 0.99
00:19:25.000 And we have a conversation, and then, you know, we go to another place, like, how about this place? 0.99
00:19:29.000 Dude, I fucking hate Mexican food. 0.99
00:19:31.000 Like, come on, man. 0.99
00:19:32.000 And, like, at the end, we wind up at a Taco Bell, and you're like, hey, this isn't bad. 0.99
00:19:36.000 Like, that's a fucking reality show scenario. 0.94
00:19:38.000 The best reality show would be filmed from a drone and the people wouldn't even actually know that it was there. 0.99
00:19:42.000 That would be the ultimate reality show.
00:19:44.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:19:45.000 Well, they kind of try to do that with like a Big Brother type scenario, but everything changes once people know they're being filmed.
00:19:52.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:19:53.000 You know, and it's just, they're just bad shows.
00:19:56.000 Most of them are just really bad shows.
00:19:58.000 Whereas like, one of the things I like about your show and Rinella's show and a lot of these hunting shows is they're willing to show failure too, which is a big part of hunting.
00:20:06.000 Oh, yeah, it's the majority of hunting.
00:20:08.000 Yeah, I mean, you're doing something that's very difficult to do.
00:20:10.000 You're going into a natural habitat that this animal lives in.
00:20:14.000 You're trying to defy all of its natural instincts, its sense of smell, its incredible hearing, all these different evolved instincts that they have to keep them alive, and you're trying to creep up on them, and you're filming the whole thing.
00:20:27.000 Yeah.
00:20:28.000 Well, I think what a lot of people may not look at, you know, and I get it sometimes, is like, Everything's wrapped around that moment of impact, that kill, you know?
00:20:38.000 And especially when you're filming it by yourself, it's really hard to get that moment of impact and that moment of kill on there.
00:20:43.000 But that's like one moment, you know?
00:20:45.000 And it's like the most morbid moment of the entire episode or the entire five-week-long journey after that animal.
00:20:53.000 But everybody focuses on that moment.
00:20:55.000 And it's like, no, you know?
00:20:57.000 There's 10 days of planning and preparation and hunting an actual...
00:21:03.000 Stuff going on outside of that one little kill.
00:21:05.000 How did you get the idea to do this show?
00:21:08.000 Why didn't you try to do a show?
00:21:09.000 Did you ever try to do a show with a cameraman that comes with you?
00:21:12.000 Yeah, I did.
00:21:12.000 So I partnered with a guy in late 2004, so it was really kind of 2005, and we produced a show.
00:21:18.000 It was one of the first shows on the Sportsman channel way back then.
00:21:21.000 And that show is running today.
00:21:23.000 It's continuing on, and he's branched off, and he's got a couple shows that he's doing.
00:21:27.000 What show's that?
00:21:28.000 It's Buck Ventures.
00:21:29.000 Buck Ventures is where I started.
00:21:31.000 And now he's got Major League Bowhunter and he's partnered with Chipper Jones and that.
00:21:35.000 Somebody with a lot deeper pockets than I have, for sure.
00:21:37.000 Chipper Jones was a baseball player, right?
00:21:39.000 Yeah, I think that's what they tell me.
00:21:41.000 Pull this thing up to your face so you have the same volume as me.
00:21:45.000 These are Twiki microphones.
00:21:47.000 So, you know, I moved out to Oklahoma.
00:21:49.000 I mean, when I did that, when I do things, I, like, go balls in.
00:21:53.000 It's everything.
00:21:53.000 And so I sold my home, moved my wife.
00:21:55.000 My boy was one year old at the time.
00:21:57.000 We moved to Oklahoma.
00:21:58.000 We lived just outside of Oklahoma City in Edmond.
00:22:02.000 And just partnered up and started the show.
00:22:04.000 Loved it.
00:22:05.000 And he, you know, everything was going good.
00:22:08.000 It was 100% whitetail, but it really wasn't my thing.
00:22:10.000 You know, I grew up in central Idaho in the middle of nowhere.
00:22:13.000 And for me to transition my hunting style and what I grew up with to focus just strictly on whitetail just didn't fit.
00:22:20.000 What was your hunting style?
00:22:22.000 I grew up, shoot, where I grew up in central Idaho, the nearest Walmart's 70 miles away.
00:22:27.000 I mean, the population 101, you know, I mean, it's a small farming town in central Idaho.
00:22:32.000 It's called Lost River Valley.
00:22:33.000 I grew up right in Moore, went to school in Mackey and Arco.
00:22:37.000 And so that lifestyle and growing up on a farm, It was rugged just in and of itself.
00:22:44.000 So I don't know anything any different.
00:22:46.000 I can go out the back door and I can be up on the mountains and just go forever.
00:22:51.000 You could go until Canada if you wanted to.
00:22:56.000 So you were used to going out and hiking, going after these animals, stalking them?
00:23:02.000 Yeah, mountains.
00:23:02.000 Western hunting, where you've got elk, you've got deer, bear, mountain lions.
00:23:07.000 You've got everything.
00:23:07.000 The whole Western hunting...
00:23:08.000 Hunting whitetail is completely different.
00:23:10.000 A whitetail deer might live...
00:23:14.000 We're good to go.
00:23:30.000 When I go on a hunt for elk, the adventure, there's miles.
00:23:34.000 Hundreds of miles that a person can go on in the west.
00:23:37.000 And when you get up on some of these peaks, and you may have experienced on some of the stuff in Alaska, but you get up there and it's like, gosh dang, there's a lot here.
00:23:45.000 There's so much country, and there's no limitation to how far you can go and what you do.
00:23:50.000 When I say my style, that's my style.
00:23:52.000 Getting out remote.
00:23:55.000 That's way more fascinating to me to be in completely wild environments like that.
00:23:59.000 Like you said, standing on a peak, looking out in Alaska.
00:24:02.000 And what you're seeing is just mountain ranges and just hill after hill after hill and valleys.
00:24:09.000 It looks endless.
00:24:10.000 It looks endless.
00:24:10.000 And there's no one out there.
00:24:12.000 You're looking straight ahead. 0.99
00:24:13.000 You're not seeing any fucking people. 0.99
00:24:14.000 You're seeing trees. 0.99
00:24:15.000 And there's some animals out there.
00:24:17.000 Go find them.
00:24:18.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:24:18.000 And that's how I grew up.
00:24:20.000 I mean...
00:24:21.000 I would go out a lot of times during school and I'd just go up, sleep on the mountain, come back, do chores, milk cows, go to school.
00:24:29.000 Go to football practice, go home, do chores, go up on the mountain, sleep on the mountain, come back home.
00:24:33.000 That was kind of how my brothers and I grew up.
00:24:40.000 I just have a yearning for the wild.
00:24:42.000 Some of the coolest experiences that I've had in life have been when I'm by myself and go and do something just so totally random that...
00:24:49.000 That nobody else would really even think about. 0.69
00:24:50.000 I say shit, I shouldn't say nobody, but it's like, you know, in college, I'd drive home two hours to my folks' house, then I'd drive another hour up to the canyon. 0.99
00:24:57.000 By the time I get to the trailhead, it's 11 o'clock at night, hike in for three or four hours, find somewhere to sleep, get up on top of the mountain, and I'm sitting there as the sun's coming up, and three wolverines come up, you know, and circle the lake. 0.99
00:25:10.000 And it's like, back then, you know, in the 90s, there weren't Wolverines in Idaho there weren't supposed to be anyway I mean I was one of the very first or very few to actually see wild Wolverines in Idaho and it's like had I not been there by myself experiencing that in that canyon you know if there's other people or or other things those Wolverines might not have been as comfortable you know but because I was there by myself and I'm the only one there looking down over it I had that experience and there's there's a lot of opportunities like that that When
00:25:40.000 you have someone else there, you're focused on the group.
00:25:42.000 You're focused on your conversations, your buddies, your friends and everything.
00:25:46.000 You're not really tuned in to what's around you.
00:25:48.000 You're not tuned in to your surroundings.
00:25:50.000 And so there's certain things that I think you miss out on when you've got other people there.
00:25:54.000 And it's not that I don't enjoy that sometimes, but I feel like when I'm there Like, there's a connection.
00:26:02.000 You know, there's a connection to the land.
00:26:03.000 There's a connection to the environment.
00:26:05.000 And, you know, you could bring all of it into it.
00:26:07.000 If you're a hippie, you know, tree hugger, voodoo type person, you can bring in the nature and the gods and all that kind of stuff into the whole element. 0.93
00:26:15.000 But that really and truly is what it is, is you're out there with no one but yourself and God and his creation.
00:26:22.000 I mean, that's it.
00:26:22.000 It's all surrounding you.
00:26:24.000 Yeah, and being that deep in nature where you're actually a part of it because you're not talking to anyone.
00:26:30.000 So there's no conversations going on.
00:26:33.000 Plenty of conversations.
00:26:33.000 They're just with myself.
00:26:35.000 But you know what I'm saying?
00:26:38.000 There's no anchor that brings you back to civilization. 1.00
00:26:41.000 You're just seeing wild shit. 0.99
00:26:43.000 You're just seeing wildlife. 0.99
00:26:44.000 You're seeing animals that would exist that way regardless of whether or not you're there or not.
00:26:48.000 Yeah, and the sad part about it is the more...
00:26:51.000 The older I get and the more I live in the city, the more life evolves and gets busy and hectic.
00:26:56.000 Right now, it just seems like it's a train ride, just straight up.
00:26:59.000 Things are happening fast, just like this opportunity here.
00:27:04.000 The more those things happen, it's like the more desensitized I come to the natural experience.
00:27:09.000 And so when I'm out there, I find myself checking, where's my phone?
00:27:13.000 I wonder what emails I've got.
00:27:15.000 I wonder who's called.
00:27:16.000 And that really sucks because I'm desensitized to the nature of man, to what I grew up as, and that kind of thing.
00:27:24.000 It's good in a way, but it's also bad.
00:27:26.000 And so I like taking the opportunity.
00:27:28.000 It's like, you know, this week I was supposed to be up hunting in Idaho, but I had too much work to do.
00:27:32.000 I had projects I had to get done.
00:27:34.000 And it worked out great because it freed up our time where you and I could get together.
00:27:38.000 But I know that Sunday, you know, as soon as I get out of church, I'm hauling butt up to Idaho and I'm going to start elk hunting for a week.
00:27:44.000 So I'm going to have that, you know, eight to ten days of solace to really get back into it.
00:27:48.000 But then at the end of that trip, it's going to be like...
00:27:51.000 I've got nine hours to drive home and think about getting back into the daily life, you know, to regular world.
00:27:57.000 Regular world.
00:27:58.000 Do you have a regular job outside of this show?
00:28:01.000 I don't.
00:28:01.000 People think that I hunt for a living or that it's all about the hunting and the show.
00:28:05.000 Hunting is like 10% of my life.
00:28:08.000 Outside of that, I run my business.
00:28:10.000 I've got products just like you do, and I'm trying to grow the business base.
00:28:14.000 This year, I kind of took it upon myself that this is the year I wanted to grow my business.
00:28:18.000 I had the TV show established.
00:28:20.000 I had Making a Good Living and everything, but this is the year that I wanted to take it another step and actually create a business of it.
00:28:28.000 That's where I brought on Mark, and we started producing another show on Sportsman Channel called Off Grid Hunter and experimenting with that.
00:28:35.000 And now it's like, you know, I've got two other sponsors that have come to me and said, hey, you know, you're doing a good job with the productions.
00:28:41.000 We've been thinking about X, Y, and Z. Would you be interested in producing our shows for us and doing a few things?
00:28:46.000 So I'm now branching and trying to grow the production side of it, as well as solidify the brand of Solo.
00:28:52.000 Well, you do a really good job producing the show yourself.
00:28:56.000 The way it's edited, it's interesting.
00:28:58.000 It's not just, you know, here's a video camera that I turned on when I walked up to the top of the hill, like Blair Witch style.
00:29:04.000 Like, you know, you cut in music and sound effects and there's a lot of close-ups.
00:29:08.000 Remy calls it the GoPro show.
00:29:10.000 He's like, we're not the GoPro show anymore.
00:29:12.000 That's awesome!
00:29:14.000 Yeah, you definitely edit things really well, and that's a big part of watching any kind of a show, to draw people in.
00:29:22.000 But in that show in particular, you're telling a story, and your story is whatever animal you're chasing after, wherever you're going, you're entering into that environment, and then you're explaining your thoughts along the way.
00:29:36.000 One of them I really liked was you alone.
00:29:39.000 You were moose hunting in Alaska.
00:29:42.000 And, you know, you were, you know, stuck in the tent and it was raining outside.
00:29:47.000 Yeah, see, and I had a guy with, I mean, people need to know, I had a guy with me and I said that right on the episode.
00:29:50.000 There was another guy that had the tag, but, I mean, you're out there.
00:29:54.000 You're out there in the middle of nowhere.
00:29:55.000 Yeah, and because you're out there like that, because you're in this, like, intense, wild environment, you know, you get to...
00:30:04.000 When you're talking about it and when you're expressing yourself to the camera, you're getting this kind of insight of what it's like to actually be there.
00:30:11.000 For a lot of people, that's the closest they're ever going to come to being out there in the wild bush of Alaska chasing after a moose.
00:30:17.000 So it makes it, there's like the solitude comes across on camera.
00:30:22.000 I think?
00:30:42.000 And, you know, quite honestly, dangerous environments.
00:30:45.000 Especially like the Alaska one, because there's bears out there, grizzlies. 1.00
00:30:48.000 You're packing a pistol when you go to take a shit. 0.99
00:30:51.000 You know, it's like... 0.99
00:30:52.000 It's ironic that, you know, the worst, the most hair-raising experiences I've had have not even been Alaska.
00:30:58.000 You know, it's been closer to home and that kind of thing.
00:31:00.000 I mean, yeah, in Alaska, I got charged by a black bear.
00:31:03.000 I mean, it was...
00:31:04.000 Was it a female? 0.89
00:31:05.000 It had to have been because what happened was we got off the boat to set up to start calling for a moose and doing some moose calling.
00:31:13.000 And it was raining real hard.
00:31:14.000 And I'm like, you know what?
00:31:15.000 I got to go back and get my camera just in case something happens.
00:31:18.000 Or I had to go back and get something.
00:31:19.000 I don't remember what it was.
00:31:21.000 So I walked back to the boat.
00:31:22.000 And as I'm walking back, I hear some noise behind me.
00:31:24.000 And as I turn, this bear is just coming.
00:31:26.000 I mean, it's booking, hauling it just as fast as it could run.
00:31:29.000 And all I did was just wheeled the camera and just yelled, Bear!
00:31:33.000 Bear! 0.98
00:31:33.000 As loud as I could. 0.98
00:31:34.000 And the thing just skidded, stopped, and took off.
00:31:37.000 And as it turned around, I mean, I thought I saw another one in the back.
00:31:40.000 So that's the only thing that, I mean, the only thing it could have been was a bear hunting, which isn't going to happen.
00:31:45.000 A bear's going to, whatever.
00:31:46.000 So it had to have been a sow with some cubs or something on that.
00:31:49.000 Yeah.
00:31:49.000 I mean, really, at that instant, you're relying on luck.
00:31:54.000 Yeah.
00:31:54.000 You know, you're relying on that bear to stop and turn around because all I had at that time to protect myself was my voice, you know.
00:32:01.000 By the time I would have got to my gun, the bear would have been on me and, you know, bears bite.
00:32:06.000 And so things would have been pretty bad for a little while had that bear not turned around.
00:32:11.000 And you were by yourself?
00:32:12.000 No, Ted was right in the general area, because we were both hunting moose together. 0.86
00:32:20.000 Have you ever been out there by yourself and had a situation come up where you're like, fuck, I might not be able to get out of here, like being injured or... 0.99
00:32:28.000 You know, fuck your knee up or anything like that? 0.99
00:32:30.000 Yeah, I jacked up my knee pretty good in New Zealand when I went to New Zealand to hunt with Remy. 0.99
00:32:36.000 I had just killed my tar and was coming down off the mountain.
00:32:40.000 And I mean, I wasn't very far from the bottom.
00:32:44.000 But I stepped in this fern or something and just jacked my knee.
00:32:47.000 And I remember falling, and I kind of blacked out there for a minute.
00:32:51.000 And as I'm laying there, I'm thinking, I'm just like, please don't want to blow my knee out, you know?
00:32:56.000 And I just laid there for like 30, 40 minutes until kind of the throbbing and the pain kind of went away.
00:33:01.000 And then I was able to get up and kind of walk it off.
00:33:04.000 But that's when it gets...
00:33:06.000 That's probably what's the most dangerous is when you're hauling 100 plus pounds on your back and you're coming down rough country because I'm not going to go back up there and pack my camp out.
00:33:16.000 So you're going to load as much weight as you can on your bag.
00:33:21.000 Something could happen at any time.
00:33:23.000 A guy could step and roll his ankle at any time.
00:33:27.000 It's just kind of...
00:33:28.000 By us being out there alone, it makes it that much more dangerous, I guess. 1.00
00:33:31.000 Stupid, really. 1.00
00:33:32.000 People who have never gone hiking in these remote areas, especially when you're going after these mountain animals, whether it's elk or something like that, they probably don't understand how treacherous some of the tureen is. 1.00
00:33:46.000 And you add into that the fact that you've got 100 pounds of meat packed onto your back...
00:33:50.000 And you're probably going to have to do it several times, especially if it's an elk.
00:33:54.000 Yeah, I laughed at my buddy.
00:33:55.000 He killed a deer last week, and he was posting these pictures on Instagram of the blisters on his feet and everything.
00:34:01.000 He's like, I'm on my third trip back in to get my deer.
00:34:03.000 And I'm like, hell with that, man.
00:34:04.000 Just cut the thing up and put it all on your bag and come out once.
00:34:07.000 How big was the deer?
00:34:09.000 You know, a boned-out deer is going to be 90 pounds, you know, 90 to 100 pounds is all.
00:34:14.000 But you've got your camera gear, or you've got your camping gear and that kind of stuff too, so...
00:34:19.000 That's where a deer, you know, a deer's a one-tripper for a guy.
00:34:22.000 Yeah, I've talked to people that, like, Ranella's brother fucked his back up essentially for life, trying to haul out moose.
00:34:30.000 And now he has pack llamas. 0.72
00:34:32.000 He has llamas that he brings with him.
00:34:34.000 Yeah, my brother tried llamas for a while.
00:34:36.000 Now I think he's got a goat.
00:34:37.000 No, I think he's got a horse now.
00:34:38.000 He had goats, too.
00:34:39.000 He's like, I can't just...
00:34:41.000 Ronella has these... 0.99
00:34:42.000 His brother has these llamas and they put them in a van and the llamas, like, they fucking piss in the van. 1.00
00:34:48.000 They're disgusting animals. 1.00
00:34:50.000 But they're just hardy as shit. 1.00
00:34:53.000 You know, he lives in Montana and he's got them out there in Montana. 1.00
00:34:55.000 They just tie them to a tree and leave them there. 0.96
00:34:58.000 It's freezing fucking cold out. 0.91
00:34:59.000 They just stand there. 1.00
00:35:00.000 They don't give a shit. 1.00
00:35:01.000 Oh, they probably do. 1.00
00:35:02.000 They just can't say anything about it.
00:35:04.000 Yeah, but they're super durable.
00:35:06.000 Yeah.
00:35:07.000 And the idea is you just got to make sure that you pack them evenly.
00:35:10.000 You can't have like 70 pounds off to the right and 100 pounds off to the left.
00:35:15.000 It has to be totally balanced out. 1.00
00:35:17.000 But once it's balanced out, those fuckers can just go. 1.00
00:35:20.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:35:21.000 Yeah, we grew up hunting with horses.
00:35:22.000 Horses and mules, mostly, you know.
00:35:24.000 So, I mean, it's nice to have that ability to pack camp in and pack all the way.
00:35:29.000 And I've thought about doing, you know, a pack trip, a solo hunting pack trip.
00:35:34.000 But that's, I mean, you're bringing in a whole other element.
00:35:36.000 You're bringing in an animal that you can't control.
00:35:38.000 You can't control, you know, their moods or whatever.
00:35:40.000 I mean, it's just that one more...
00:35:42.000 One more thing that could go wrong. 0.97
00:35:44.000 I mean, all it takes is a horse to kick you in the side of the head and you're done.
00:35:47.000 Or, you know, a horse kicks you in the knee or a horse takes a fall or any of those kinds of things.
00:35:51.000 And that's, you know, it can mess it up in a hurry.
00:35:54.000 So I've always, I've just, lately I've just got to the point where I just want to throw crap in my backpack and go.
00:35:59.000 Yeah.
00:35:59.000 Because I can control me.
00:36:01.000 You know, I know where my brain is going to be.
00:36:03.000 I know where I'm stepping, but all that horse has to do is take one wrong step.
00:36:09.000 Odds are it's not going to happen, but I've had a friend that was killed on a horse.
00:36:13.000 Really?
00:36:14.000 What happened?
00:36:14.000 He was on a pack trip, and I remember I was working at the carpet store when I was a kid, and I was like, John, why don't you stay here?
00:36:22.000 I got this job I need you to do.
00:36:23.000 He was a carpet installer.
00:36:25.000 When I was one of the salesmen, I'm like, I got this job that I need you to do.
00:36:29.000 He's like, nope, man, I'm going on this pack trip.
00:36:31.000 I'm like, come on, it's only a two-day job.
00:36:33.000 He's like, no.
00:36:33.000 And I remember him vividly saying, he's like, life's too short.
00:36:37.000 He said, I've promised myself no matter what, that money's not going to get in the way and I'm going to live my life.
00:36:43.000 And on that very trip, something spooked his horse and it came over on top of him.
00:36:47.000 And the saddle horn ruptured his spleen.
00:36:50.000 And he went into the hospital.
00:36:52.000 When he got back, he went into the hospital like 220 pounds.
00:36:56.000 The next time when he got out of the hospital, he was like 160 pounds or something.
00:37:02.000 And it wasn't just a couple months later that he died from that.
00:37:06.000 Because he had given his kidney to his son.
00:37:09.000 Oh.
00:37:11.000 And so, his kidney and spleen and everything were jacked up, and he lost his life, you know, from that event.
00:37:17.000 My brother, you know, a couple years ago, a horse came over on the top of him, crushed his pelvis.
00:37:21.000 Oh, jeez.
00:37:22.000 Stuff happens.
00:37:22.000 When you've got animals, you know, stuff can happen, you know.
00:37:26.000 Yeah, I have friends that ride horses.
00:37:29.000 My friend's wife, actually, she jumps horses. 1.00
00:37:32.000 They go to these fucking rings and they get their horses to jump over logs and shit. 1.00
00:37:38.000 And I'm like, what are you doing? 1.00
00:37:40.000 Is that exciting?
00:37:41.000 Like, what's going on there?
00:37:43.000 Yeah, it's gotta be, I guess.
00:37:44.000 I guess, but...
00:37:45.000 See, my brothers and I, we had the reputation of breaking horses.
00:37:48.000 So people would bring the wild Mustangs that they'd catch off the desert and stuff.
00:37:52.000 Which I know now, living in Nevada, they're not that wild.
00:37:54.000 But they'd bring us these horses that they'd adopt, thinking that they would make them as kids' horses or something, and we'd have to break these horses.
00:38:01.000 How do you catch them?
00:38:02.000 I don't know how they caught them.
00:38:04.000 I don't know.
00:38:04.000 They'd just bring them to us in the trailer, and we'd smack them around a little bit and break them.
00:38:08.000 Can you break a wild horse, a real wild horse?
00:38:11.000 We only had one that we really couldn't break, that we didn't break.
00:38:15.000 So what did you do, eat it?
00:38:17.000 Yeah, it was nice.
00:38:18.000 No, I can't even remember what happened to that.
00:38:20.000 One of them, the guy took back, and it ended up getting away, and they ended up shooting it somewhere because it got on wild land.
00:38:27.000 They ended up shooting that one.
00:38:28.000 Why'd they shoot it?
00:38:29.000 Because it got on wild land?
00:38:30.000 I don't think they could catch it.
00:38:31.000 They couldn't catch it for a while. 0.84
00:38:33.000 What they tried to do is shoot it in the neck and hit that tendon. 0.83
00:38:37.000 So with horses, a lot of times, like Western reigning horses and stuff, a lot of times they'll go in and snip a tendon in their neck to get them to keep their head level because I guess it's better for the...
00:38:46.000 The horse reigns better and acts better and it's not going to flip his head up and flail its head.
00:38:51.000 So they'll flip this tenon.
00:38:52.000 So the sharpshooter went in trying to shoot this horse in the tenon in the back of the neck to kind of just break him down so they could catch this horse because it was a big black and white tabino stallion that they wanted to catch.
00:39:04.000 And I think he just kind of missed.
00:39:06.000 And killed it?
00:39:07.000 Yes. 1.00
00:39:07.000 What the fuck? 1.00
00:39:08.000 A little bit of a... 1.00
00:39:09.000 What kind of a sharpshooter does he think he is?
00:39:11.000 I don't know.
00:39:11.000 He should have hired me.
00:39:12.000 A moving horse and you're going to shoot it in a perfect spot on the neck. 0.99
00:39:16.000 I can't imagine shooting a horse anyway. 0.98
00:39:18.000 That's why when I see these guys going to Africa and shooting zebras and stuff. 1.00
00:39:21.000 I mean, I grew up on a farm.
00:39:22.000 I have such a love and a passion for animals that I can't imagine that.
00:39:27.000 Well, we were talking about that before the show, that it's a weird thing for people to hear when someone says they're a hunter, but they love animals.
00:39:36.000 Yeah.
00:39:37.000 You know, like, I got this tweet the other day by this woman.
00:39:42.000 Someone's tweeted me something, and she's tweeted, Why would you talk to him?
00:39:46.000 He kills bears for fun.
00:39:49.000 No, I don't kill.
00:39:51.000 I've killed one bear.
00:39:53.000 It wasn't for fun.
00:39:54.000 I eat it.
00:39:54.000 But did you have fun?
00:39:55.000 I did.
00:39:56.000 I enjoyed it.
00:39:57.000 I mean, I guess I kind of killed a bear for fun.
00:40:00.000 But you were sad, too, right?
00:40:02.000 Like, that was part of it. 0.97
00:40:03.000 Well, bears are pretty fucking cool. 0.97
00:40:05.000 They're interesting. 0.94
00:40:06.000 They're interesting.
00:40:07.000 And, you know, I went with Cameron Haynes.
00:40:10.000 We're bow hunting in Alberta.
00:40:12.000 And if you've never been up there, first of all, they have to kill bears up there. 0.99
00:40:17.000 There's a lot of fucking bears up there. 0.99
00:40:19.000 They estimate between three and eight per square mile. 0.99
00:40:23.000 And when you get up there, you realize that it's true.
00:40:26.000 Because when you're sitting and you're waiting, all of a sudden, within an hour or so, they just start showing up.
00:40:32.000 One, two, three.
00:40:34.000 I mean, we saw as many as six, seven bears at a time. 0.99
00:40:36.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99
00:40:37.000 And they're cannibalizing each other, left and right. 1.00
00:40:40.000 They're eating cubs. 1.00
00:40:41.000 You have to kill the males. 0.99
00:40:42.000 Well, they're giving themselves diseases and all kinds of stuff if they overpopulate. 0.99
00:40:45.000 Yeah, and they are overpopulated up there. 0.99
00:40:47.000 You have to kill the boars. 0.99
00:40:48.000 If you don't kill the boars, they just feast on babies. 1.00
00:40:53.000 It's just a numbers thing. 0.97
00:40:55.000 They don't have anything to kill them.
00:40:57.000 Nothing kills them.
00:40:58.000 So if humans don't kill them, then their populations get out of control.
00:41:01.000 They run into starvation issues.
00:41:04.000 There's all sorts of things that happen.
00:41:06.000 And they taste good. 0.99
00:41:08.000 People are fucking weird, man. 0.99
00:41:10.000 This whole hunting thing has really exposed me to a lot of very strange hypocrisies that people just accept. 1.00
00:41:16.000 And one of them is this fucking guy came up to me at the airport wearing leather shoes. 0.99
00:41:21.000 And he goes, man, I was really disappointed to find out that you killed a bear. 1.00
00:41:24.000 I go, dude, you're wearing fucking leather shoes. 1.00
00:41:27.000 Those are leather. 1.00
00:41:28.000 I go, do you eat meat?
00:41:29.000 Somebody killed a cow for that. 1.00
00:41:31.000 Exactly.
00:41:31.000 He goes, I do eat meat, but I just think bears are different.
00:41:33.000 I go, different how?
00:41:34.000 Because they're not in your neighborhood?
00:41:35.000 Like, what are you talking about?
00:41:37.000 It's an animal.
00:41:38.000 Do you understand that anything that a hunter kills lives an infinitely better life than anything you're buying at McDonald's, than anything you're wearing on your clothes, any shoes, any leather, any belt that you have?
00:41:50.000 Those animals...
00:41:51.000 I think?
00:42:14.000 When you're hunting, you're taking an animal that lives an entirely natural life.
00:42:19.000 You dip into that natural world, harvest that animal, pull it out, and in my opinion, that's infinitely better.
00:42:27.000 Infinitely better in every way.
00:42:28.000 First of all, they're not going to live forever.
00:42:31.000 It's not like you're taking away an animal that was going to cure cancer if you kept it alive. 0.97
00:42:35.000 That animal was on its way to fucking building a rocket to go to the moon, and you stepped in and shot it. 1.00
00:42:40.000 No, they're fucking bears, man. 1.00
00:42:41.000 They're bears. 1.00
00:42:42.000 They're eating each other's cubs, and...
00:42:44.000 It's really good meat.
00:42:46.000 It's good for you.
00:42:47.000 And the fact that people have a problem with hunters, but they don't have a problem with passing by every restaurant you drive down the street.
00:42:56.000 Every restaurant is filled with meat.
00:42:58.000 Every one of them.
00:42:58.000 Every supermarket is filled with meat.
00:43:00.000 Half of them are driving cars with leather seats.
00:43:04.000 Half of them are wearing leather shoes.
00:43:06.000 Probably more than half.
00:43:08.000 But yet people have a problem with hunting.
00:43:10.000 And it's this weird thing.
00:43:12.000 Because they don't see the death of the animal that caused their cheeseburger.
00:43:17.000 Because society is structured in a way that you can just, without participating in the animal's death at all, you can reap the benefits of it by just giving a little piece of paper and getting a cheeseburger.
00:43:26.000 And that's your connection to it.
00:43:28.000 You can eliminate yourself from some of the guilt because you didn't kill it.
00:43:31.000 And you didn't see it get killed.
00:43:32.000 So therefore it didn't happen.
00:43:34.000 Yeah, and people that eat meat have said this to me.
00:43:37.000 And I'm like, man, you've got to rearrange the way you think.
00:43:40.000 I've told several people that have a problem with it that eat meat.
00:43:45.000 I'm like, you should expose yourself to the death of an animal just to decide whether or not you want to continue eating meat.
00:43:50.000 Because that was a concern when I went hunting for the first time.
00:43:53.000 I've been fishing my whole life, so I've killed things before and eaten them, but I've never killed an animal.
00:43:59.000 And I was like, man, a deer is a big, beautiful animal.
00:44:01.000 Maybe that's going to freak me out.
00:44:02.000 Maybe I'm not going to like it.
00:44:04.000 Maybe I'll be a vegetarian after that.
00:44:05.000 I was really wondering what it was going to be like.
00:44:08.000 The exact opposite happened.
00:44:09.000 It didn't bother me at all.
00:44:10.000 I thought it was great.
00:44:12.000 There was a moment of sadness that this animal died, but the food was delicious.
00:44:17.000 The meat was delicious.
00:44:19.000 The experience was exhilarating.
00:44:21.000 It was exciting.
00:44:22.000 It was fun.
00:44:23.000 It was wild.
00:44:23.000 It was enriching.
00:44:25.000 It's the healthiest meat you can get.
00:44:29.000 I think the most ethical way to acquire it.
00:44:32.000 You're responsible for what you're eating.
00:44:35.000 And there's something super satisfying about that.
00:44:38.000 Whenever I, not all the time, but a lot of times when I tweet photos of like wild game that I cook, And when I'm out there and I'm grilling something that I killed and I chopped up and I'm putting it on the grill and then I'm eating it, it's such a different experience.
00:44:55.000 The feeling of it is so much better than just getting a steak from the grocery store, throwing it on the grill and eating it.
00:45:01.000 There's nothing there with that.
00:45:03.000 Pound for pound, it's a hell of a lot more expensive, but that's not...
00:45:08.000 You know, that's not what it's about.
00:45:10.000 And it's one of those things where it's like super, super hard to explain to people when they're like, well, why do you hunt?
00:45:15.000 And even my wife, you know, she's not into hunting.
00:45:17.000 She never wants to be.
00:45:19.000 She doesn't understand how I can love animals so much and yet go out and kill them and all that.
00:45:23.000 But it's one of those things that there's so many different facets that you can go down.
00:45:27.000 Well, we're doing it for food.
00:45:28.000 We're doing it for this.
00:45:29.000 We're doing it for population control.
00:45:30.000 We're doing it for...
00:45:31.000 You know, whatever for sport, which I don't look at hunting as a sport, you know, per se.
00:45:37.000 But there's a lot of different things, elements that you can bring into it to explain to somebody.
00:45:42.000 And at the end of the day, I look at it, I'm like, I don't know why I do.
00:45:44.000 I'm just, I'm a man.
00:45:46.000 You know, like I posted a picture the other day on Instagram that's like, a lot of these hunting groups classify themselves as predators or as, you know, addicts or junkies or, you know, I'm an antler junkie or I'm a this or I'm a that.
00:45:59.000 And it's like, I'm a man.
00:46:00.000 You know, God put man on this earth to till and to take care of it.
00:46:03.000 And he gave us sustenance and he gave us an ability to sustain not only ourselves, but to grow population.
00:46:09.000 You know?
00:46:10.000 That's what Adam and Eve were there.
00:46:13.000 If you're a religious person or whatever. 0.99
00:46:15.000 If you really believe Adam and Eve were the only two people that everybody came from, which is pretty fucking ridiculous. 0.98
00:46:21.000 Okay. 0.83
00:46:22.000 So, I just happen to be a believer in Adam and Eve.
00:46:25.000 But anyway...
00:46:25.000 Do you?
00:46:26.000 Yeah.
00:46:26.000 Do you believe that there was two people and that everybody came from those two people?
00:46:29.000 In a way, yeah.
00:46:30.000 Really?
00:46:31.000 I think that...
00:46:33.000 I definitely think that there's a lot to specific religions that are out there.
00:46:39.000 That there's pieces there that...
00:46:41.000 You know, if you follow the Bible...
00:46:44.000 Word for word for what it says, like literally, there's a lot of stuff that's, there's no way.
00:46:47.000 I mean, it's like, no, those are probably made up stores where, but there's other things that I, you know, I'm a religious person and I believe in God and, and, uh, I think there's a lot of things that people have twisted.
00:46:58.000 No doubt.
00:46:59.000 No doubt.
00:47:00.000 But I, but I'm a believer.
00:47:01.000 There's something to all religions that I think there's some universal truths.
00:47:07.000 And there's universal truths about treating people certain ways.
00:47:10.000 And there's universal truths about seeking the good in life and looking out for your brothers and sisters.
00:47:16.000 And I think all of that came from understanding that people developed over time, wisdom that people developed over time, and then this connecting to what is universally good about the world, about life.
00:47:30.000 With few exceptions, people generally, and there are exceptions, that people generally want to do good.
00:47:36.000 People generally want to be happy.
00:47:39.000 They generally understand consequence.
00:47:41.000 They understand right and wrong.
00:47:43.000 There are exceptions.
00:47:44.000 People just don't understand.
00:47:46.000 And then there's people that have calloused themselves one way or the other.
00:47:48.000 Either they toe the line...
00:47:50.000 100% religious and everything is literal, or they go the other direction.
00:47:54.000 Yeah, the problem with the literal translations is that it wasn't English.
00:48:00.000 They're still working on the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is the oldest version of the Bible, which is in Aramaic, and it's on animal skins. 0.52
00:48:07.000 They literally have to do DNA analysis on the animal skins to make sure that when they line up the pieces, they're trying to piece them all together, that it's the right animal.
00:48:16.000 The way they do the Dead Sea Scrolls, have you ever...
00:48:20.000 No, no.
00:48:21.000 I'm one of those who is like, I don't know.
00:48:25.000 Some of those things are so hard to even get into.
00:48:28.000 Right, but if you want to be a religious person, that's the source of it.
00:48:31.000 That's the source of almost all biblical stories is the Dead Sea Scrolls.
00:48:34.000 And what's really unique about it is that it was found in Qumran, I think, in the 1940s.
00:48:40.000 They found these clay pots.
00:48:43.000 And inside these clay pots were essentially these animal skins that had been wrapped up and you know these these cylinders and these like wrapped up in rolls and they had to unravel them and a lot of them were broken up and so the broken up ones the way they you know do the DNA test they do a DNA test so they say okay well all animal all the pieces from this animal we'll put over here all the pieces from that animal we're assuming that's a different piece of skin we'll put that over here and then they have to like try to piece it together like
00:49:13.000 this ancient puzzle then they have to take Aramaic We're good to go.
00:49:36.000 There's numbers to your name.
00:49:39.000 It counts in the translation, not the translation, but what the meaning of the word.
00:49:44.000 The word love and the word God have the same numerical value in ancient Hebrew.
00:49:49.000 And this is on purpose.
00:49:51.000 It's like things have value.
00:49:53.000 And the sentences have like a numerical value to them that our brains, the way we think, the way we talk, because we have numbers separate from words, I don't think we totally grasp what a lot of the meaning of a lot of the sentences were. 0.93
00:50:08.000 Then on top of that, like a lot of those words in ancient Hebrew, there's something like 25% of them, they still don't even know what the fuck it was.
00:50:15.000 There's a massive amount of interpretation that they have to figure out.
00:50:20.000 Then they take that and And take it from there and translate it to Greek and to Latin and then from that to English. 0.96
00:50:27.000 So when you're reading about Adam and Eve, who the fuck knows what the original meaning was? 0.94
00:50:33.000 What were they trying to say? 0.96
00:50:34.000 The original human beings that God created or that the universe bestowed upon the earth?
00:50:39.000 What was that?
00:50:40.000 Did they really mean that it was just two people?
00:50:43.000 It's so hard to tell. 0.60
00:50:44.000 And when you add in all the other fuckery, the ones where you know that somebody had a grip on it. 0.99
00:50:50.000 We know about Constantine and the bishops and how they rewrote the New Testament and they left out a bunch of shit. 0.99
00:50:57.000 They chose what was going to be in the Bible or not. 0.98
00:50:59.000 A bunch of people chose what was going to be the Word of God.
00:51:03.000 People that had no contact with God. 0.99
00:51:04.000 It's not like God came down and he gave them a fucking to-do list. 0.99
00:51:08.000 Like, get all this shit done and then I'll double check your work and then I'll be back. 0.99
00:51:12.000 No, they decided. 0.98
00:51:14.000 So, I'm not opposed to the concept of God, and I'm not an anti-religious person at all.
00:51:20.000 I think religion's done a lot of good.
00:51:22.000 I think religion is a good foundation for a lot of people to develop morals and ethics.
00:51:27.000 Whenever anybody wants to talk about literal translations of stuff, I always want to know, how much did you look into it?
00:51:35.000 When you say literal translation, Did you go to the actual source of those stories?
00:51:40.000 Because you've got to go to fucking the Epic of Gilgamesh if you want to really know the Noah's Ark story.
00:51:45.000 That's the original version of it. 0.96
00:51:46.000 It's 6,000 years old. 0.96
00:51:48.000 I mean, it's written with these little lines and shit, like on clay tablets. 0.97
00:51:53.000 That's the oldest version of that story. 0.99
00:51:57.000 Probably based on some real shit that happened. 0.98
00:51:59.000 Probably based on real floods. 0.99
00:52:00.000 Yeah, my brother, he was telling me the other day, he watched that Noah movie.
00:52:04.000 Oh, it's terrible!
00:52:05.000 Yeah, he's like, man, that was the worst.
00:52:07.000 That wasn't even close.
00:52:08.000 But then he's like, well, there were giants in the Bible, so maybe...
00:52:11.000 And I haven't seen the movie, so I don't have a clue.
00:52:13.000 But he's like, yeah, it was so weird and everything, but...
00:52:16.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:52:16.000 It's the problem is people are full of shit. 1.00
00:52:18.000 All I know is I guarantee that if there wasn't, that Noah, he probably found a chicken and he probably ended up eating it once sometime. 1.00
00:52:25.000 He's like, yeah, that tastes good.
00:52:26.000 You know, I'm going to eat chicken and I'm going to raise chickens and then there's going to be more chickens.
00:52:31.000 And then he's like, well, if a chicken tastes good, then this sheep over here's got to taste good, you know?
00:52:35.000 And so it just continued on, you know? 0.99
00:52:37.000 Well, how the fuck did all the animals get to him? 0.99
00:52:39.000 That's the big one. 0.99
00:52:40.000 They have to walk there from all over the earth.
00:52:42.000 Live in the now, Rogan.
00:52:44.000 How convenient.
00:52:45.000 That's one thing that's kind of cool about your podcast is the ones that I listen to and everything.
00:52:49.000 It's like, what I like about you is when you bring in different hosts and different guests, a lot of them have completely opposite backgrounds of what I have and probably from what you have too.
00:52:56.000 But I like that you're fascinated by a lot of different things and that you take yourself and just like you're saying there, the research, is you'll immerse yourself into really knowing and finding something out.
00:53:08.000 You find a lot of different things fascinating.
00:53:10.000 And one thing that's really cool when you're talking about the hunting, and when you first did a podcast with Rinella, and then you kind of were educating yourself along the way as you got into the hunting part of it, it was almost like, and I don't know if you've gone back and listened to any of your old podcasts when you did those,
00:53:26.000 but it was like a little kid just learning something new.
00:53:29.000 And I'm like, that's pretty cool, because here you have a grown man asking questions that my 10-year-old's asking me.
00:53:36.000 Yeah.
00:53:36.000 Daddy, why are you doing this or this or that?
00:53:38.000 I'm like, I don't know.
00:53:40.000 Ask Rogan, you know.
00:53:42.000 I'm like that with you, though.
00:53:43.000 Yeah, Mark's like, ah.
00:53:45.000 But it's, you know, it's cool to see.
00:53:48.000 And that's one of the questions that I had for you is like, well, what got you into hunting?
00:53:51.000 Why did you want to start hunting?
00:53:52.000 Well, my wife would be best able to answer that because she's been mocking me for watching Ted Nugent's Spirit of the Wild for the past 11, 12 plus years.
00:54:03.000 I watch it for a lot of reasons. 0.99
00:54:05.000 One of it is because it is fucking unbelievably hokey. 0.99
00:54:09.000 I mean, he's just a hokey dude. 0.99
00:54:11.000 He's a master showman.
00:54:14.000 And if you've ever seen Ted Nugent play guitar, you've ever seen his band... 0.93
00:54:18.000 He's a master showman, and he uses a lot of that showmanship on his show, and some of it is really ridiculous.
00:54:27.000 Some of it is very repetitive and very over the top.
00:54:31.000 But I was fascinated by his promotion of this lifestyle, this hunting lifestyle.
00:54:36.000 At the time, he didn't have the place in Texas.
00:54:39.000 He had his place in Michigan as a high-fence operation, and he would just go out into, I don't know, any hundreds of acres he has, set up tree stands and wait for deer and shoot them, and that's all the meat that he ate.
00:54:49.000 He donated it to Hunters for the Homeless and Hunters for the Hungry or whatever it is, and it really constantly promoted how healthy the lifestyle is, how healthy the meat is, and how this is about...
00:55:03.000 Sustainability.
00:55:04.000 This is about these animals are providing him with sustenance, and in turn, he is providing, he puts up food plots, he's planting trees, like his whole thing is, it's very balanced in a way that a lot of people who eat Organic food that they buy at Whole Foods and they think they're being all earthy.
00:55:24.000 Yeah, my wife.
00:55:26.000 Mine too.
00:55:27.000 You're not really balanced.
00:55:30.000 Like, Ted Nugent living in Michigan is more balanced than you.
00:55:33.000 I know you don't think that, but that's the reality.
00:55:36.000 The reality for a lot of people that go to the grocery store and pick up their organic food is like, man, you don't know how many people were involved in the creating of that food.
00:55:45.000 What was put in the soil?
00:55:48.000 It's organic.
00:55:49.000 There's no pesticides, allegedly.
00:55:51.000 It's organic because some inspectors stamped it to say that it is organic.
00:55:55.000 Okay, you don't use this pesticide, but you use this chemical.
00:55:57.000 But it's okay.
00:55:58.000 It's organic.
00:55:59.000 Yeah, the word organic is a weird word, too.
00:56:01.000 It's too open-ended.
00:56:02.000 Too over-marketed.
00:56:03.000 Yeah, I don't know what the exact definition of organic groceries are.
00:56:08.000 But there's a difference between groceries that you buy and groceries that you grow.
00:56:12.000 And I grow a lot of vegetables now.
00:56:14.000 And I've been doing that over the last, say, year and a half, two years. 0.87
00:56:18.000 And again, it's something super fucking satisfying.
00:56:21.000 How about plucking a tomato, slicing it up and eating it and putting it in a salad? 0.95
00:56:25.000 A tomato that you grew.
00:56:26.000 You put that seed in there, you watered it, it grew, you plucked it.
00:56:31.000 The whole cycle comes together.
00:56:34.000 So I started watching that show. 0.99
00:56:37.000 And from then, I just said, God, one of these days I want to fucking go hunting. 0.97
00:56:41.000 And then I started watching Rinella's show. 0.97
00:56:43.000 I was watching all kinds of hunting shows for like a decade before I ever went hunting.
00:56:48.000 Oh, gotcha.
00:56:48.000 Yeah.
00:56:49.000 People would come over to my house and look at my DVR. They'd be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? 0.99
00:56:53.000 You're morbid. 1.00
00:56:54.000 You got this weird, twisted...
00:56:56.000 Yeah, it's when animals attack, kickboxing, MMA, hunting shows. 0.99
00:57:00.000 They're like, what the fuck is wrong with you? 0.99
00:57:02.000 I don't know. 0.99
00:57:03.000 I don't know what's wrong with me, but that's how I got into it.
00:57:06.000 So until I met Rinella, I never actually went hunting.
00:57:09.000 The hunt you did with him, was it Alaska or something?
00:57:13.000 No, the first one was mule deer in Montana.
00:57:17.000 We went to the Missouri River.
00:57:21.000 We did a float trip.
00:57:23.000 It was really fun.
00:57:24.000 I remember seeing something on the Sportsman channel was touting the crap out of that.
00:57:27.000 They're like, meat eater, you know, Joe Rogan goes on meat eater, does this. 0.90
00:57:30.000 And I'm like, who's Joe Rogan?
00:57:33.000 I know who meat eater is, but I didn't know who Joe Rogan was.
00:57:35.000 I didn't know what the big deal about it was.
00:57:37.000 And then I watched the episode, and I'm like...
00:57:39.000 That guy seems pretty funny, you know, whatever.
00:57:41.000 And then it wasn't until, like, Mark when...
00:57:43.000 I mean, this wasn't very long ago.
00:57:45.000 I'll admit, I haven't...
00:57:47.000 And I'm like, I've got to get to know more of this Joe Rogan because he's getting into hunting.
00:57:50.000 You know, he's doing stuff with Ranella.
00:57:52.000 And all of a sudden, shoot, he's doing a podcast with Cam.
00:57:55.000 I was like, okay, I've got to get to know this a little bit more.
00:57:58.000 Because I'll be honest, I was like, Rogan, he could have been...
00:58:01.000 I'm a jungle acrobat, as far as I know.
00:58:04.000 I had no idea.
00:58:06.000 You're totally immersed in the hunting world.
00:58:08.000 Well, that's what's funny, too.
00:58:09.000 You asked me the last time I watched a Meteor episode, two years ago, a year and a half ago.
00:58:14.000 I don't know.
00:58:15.000 I've watched one episode of Uncharted.
00:58:17.000 I just don't watch the shows anymore because...
00:58:21.000 I don't know.
00:58:22.000 I'm making them, I guess. 0.78
00:58:23.000 Yeah, well, you're probably so fucking busy, too.
00:58:25.000 Yeah, it's not that I'm that busy. 0.83
00:58:27.000 I mean, I definitely am busy, but I have my home life, too.
00:58:30.000 You know, I spend a lot of time at home, but I just don't spend it watching TV anymore.
00:58:33.000 I used to a lot.
00:58:34.000 I used to...
00:58:35.000 I mean, when I first started producing television, I would watch all the top-rated shows.
00:58:38.000 I'm like, I want to know what Waddell's doing.
00:58:40.000 I want to know what Leon Tiffin...
00:58:40.000 I want to know what all these people are doing, and I'm going to do it because it's successful.
00:58:44.000 Right.
00:58:44.000 It's a format.
00:58:45.000 And then I started solo, and it was like...
00:58:48.000 Everything went out the window.
00:58:49.000 It's like, you know what?
00:58:50.000 I'm going to do everything these people don't do because I'm sick of seeing the exact same thing every time.
00:58:56.000 I had a conversation with a big sponsor the other day because they're wanting to produce a TV show and we had a big conference call and everybody was talking about all the things they hate about television and things that they like about television and a lot of these different shows came up and without a doubt they're all like, we hate how hokey it is, we hate how overproduced it is and this and that and that,
00:59:13.000 but at the end of the day something's got to die.
00:59:15.000 It's like Everything is the same.
00:59:19.000 The comments that you get from people is all the hunting shows are the same.
00:59:22.000 And so to do something different is really hard.
00:59:25.000 Well, there are a lot of them that are the same.
00:59:27.000 There's so many shows out there right now because of the networks that are available that there's a lot of shows that are different.
00:59:32.000 A lot of shows that...
00:59:36.000 Heartland Bowhunter is pretty different.
00:59:37.000 Yeah, there's shows that have their own brand.
00:59:39.000 A lot of people emulate and try to copy what Heartland Bowhunter started and what they've done.
00:59:43.000 And so you're starting to see a lot of that imagery and that type of shooting into different productions.
00:59:47.000 And I'll admit, I fall into a lot of that too, where it's like, man, I want to do a shot that looks like that, but I want to do it my way.
00:59:54.000 Right.
00:59:55.000 For ours, for Solo, what I think makes it unique is the fact that no matter how we film it, it doesn't really matter because at the end of the day, we're one man out there.
01:00:03.000 We're trying to kill an animal. 0.98
01:00:04.000 We're going to kill it. 1.00
01:00:04.000 We're going to bring it home. 1.00
01:00:05.000 And we're just trying to document that adventure.
01:00:08.000 I think by doing it by ourselves and having that relationship with the camera where everything seems to be so close up, it's like I'm talking to you.
01:00:15.000 You're watching.
01:00:16.000 I'm trying to talk to the viewer and communicate that.
01:00:18.000 And We're good to go.
01:00:46.000 And so that's an element as a producer to try to bring into it to where if people really knew what goes on in my head while I'm up on the mountain, I think they'd be shocked.
01:00:55.000 Because it's not all just complete focus on hiking and hunting and killing.
01:01:01.000 There's a lot of different things that go on.
01:01:03.000 Meaning that you start thinking about your family, you start thinking about your life, that kind of thing?
01:01:08.000 Yeah, that and it's like...
01:01:12.000 I may be sitting there one time and I may be thinking, you know, I'm going home.
01:01:16.000 I've been up here for four days. 0.98
01:01:17.000 I haven't seen a damn antlered animal for the last four days. 0.98
01:01:22.000 I'm going home. 0.98
01:01:24.000 But you have this, you know, all this interaction that goes on in my head.
01:01:28.000 It's like the guilt.
01:01:29.000 Okay, if I go home, I've just wasted four days that I've got here that I should have been here to potentially get an episode, you know, or to potentially harvest an animal, bring it home, and to eat it.
01:01:39.000 You know, I'm wasting that.
01:01:40.000 If I go home now, I'm a quitter. 0.98
01:01:42.000 If I stick it out, I'm stupid because I'm not going to find any animals or whatever. 0.87
01:01:46.000 So there's just that constant... 0.59
01:01:47.000 Because when you're by yourself, there's nobody to talk you into things, and there's nobody to talk you out of things.
01:01:51.000 So when you make a decision, it's yours, and you've got to live with it.
01:01:54.000 You've got to do it.
01:01:55.000 You know, so if I'm hiking up a mountain and a deer...
01:01:59.000 Is bedded somewhere, and I know that if I hike around this way two miles, I can get to him without him winding me.
01:02:05.000 Or, like I did on the last day of my hunt, I said, yeah, it's a gamble.
01:02:09.000 The wind's blowing here.
01:02:10.000 If I go here, it's iffy, but if I go here, I can cut off two miles of distance, but I might have a chance to get on him.
01:02:17.000 But if I go this way, it's two miles, but it's a guarantee I could get in on him without the wind.
01:02:22.000 Well, the last day I chose the shortcut and what did I do?
01:02:24.000 I blew the deer out.
01:02:25.000 The deer caught my scent and was gone.
01:02:28.000 Is there anything that works for covering scent?
01:02:30.000 Because you were using some stuff on the episode that I saw last week where you were, that nose blocker.
01:02:36.000 Yeah, I tried that nose jammer stuff.
01:02:38.000 That stuff's different, I guess.
01:02:40.000 I'm not a scent guy.
01:02:42.000 I'm not a cover scent guy.
01:02:43.000 You don't believe in it?
01:02:45.000 I don't.
01:02:45.000 Do you think they're just too good?
01:02:47.000 People are trying to convince me that that works, and it may work, but there was an instance on that episode, because I don't want to down-talk Nose Jammer, you know, because they're... 0.96
01:02:57.000 They're advertising on the show, but it's a product that I committed to him when I met the owner.
01:03:03.000 I met John Redman at a trade show in Reno, and he was so stinking passionate about it, and I told him to his face, I'm like, John, I don't believe in that stuff, man.
01:03:10.000 It's all hokey.
01:03:11.000 It smells funny.
01:03:13.000 I don't want anything that smells.
01:03:14.000 He's like, no, try it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:03:16.000 So it turns out he gives me a can of this stuff and I try it there in Oklahoma.
01:03:20.000 That's the first time I'd ever tried it.
01:03:22.000 And there was a buck that came downwind and he obviously smelled something.
01:03:26.000 Yeah, you could tell. 0.99
01:03:27.000 He was like, what the fuck is going on? 0.99
01:03:28.000 And that was awesome because I was like, is he smelling? 0.99
01:03:31.000 But you know what?
01:03:31.000 The deer could have done that by smelling me.
01:03:34.000 Or he was smelling the vanilla that I just rubbed all over the tree or whatever's in the nose jammer.
01:03:39.000 But something confused his sensory glands.
01:03:41.000 And that's the point behind nose jammer, I guess, is to kind of confuse their sensory glands so that it just pauses them just for that one minute.
01:03:48.000 So hopefully you can get a shot at them.
01:03:50.000 But it did.
01:03:51.000 It held that deer up and then he moved on.
01:03:53.000 So there's some validity to that, I guess.
01:03:57.000 But would that deer have done the same thing if I rub coconut oil on my pants? 0.91
01:04:01.000 You know, who knows?
01:04:01.000 I don't know.
01:04:02.000 Right.
01:04:03.000 How could you tell?
01:04:04.000 You'd have to have the exact same scenario with the exact same animal and a bunch of different options.
01:04:08.000 And that's why for me personally, I've had so much experience in the field and I've had so many times when I've tried different things and times when I've just gone natural, you know, where it's just me and my body odor or that's it.
01:04:20.000 And ultimately, at the end of the day, my conclusion has been, and it is to date, and that's not to say that it can't change over time as I have more hunting experiences, but right now, I don't want to interject any foreign scent into the air.
01:04:34.000 I'm going to have a smell to me no matter what I do, no matter what I shower in, no matter what I spray my clothes down with.
01:04:40.000 Doesn't matter.
01:04:41.000 I'm going to smell a certain way that is not natural to that environment.
01:04:45.000 So when that deer walks into his bedroom, because a deer is never anywhere by chance.
01:04:50.000 He's never anywhere randomly.
01:04:52.000 He's walking where he's walking for a reason.
01:04:55.000 He knows that that's a safety corridor where he can move himself from food to bed or whatever safely.
01:05:02.000 And so he's there for a reason.
01:05:04.000 So if he smells anything out of the ordinary or sees anything out of the ordinary, he's automatically going to be on alert.
01:05:10.000 And, you know, there's variations to everything because cropland and where you hunt some of these whitetails, it's farmland.
01:05:16.000 Where I hunt there in Oklahoma, it's an operating cattle ranch.
01:05:19.000 So the deer could have smelled people before.
01:05:21.000 Had to have because there's oil rigs in there where there's people in and out.
01:05:25.000 So they know what people smell like.
01:05:26.000 So to me, I use that into my little thinking is that if they know what humans smell like, They want to avoid it, so they're traveling these corridors because they know they can avoid humans.
01:05:39.000 So they're just traveling where he's traveling because he knows he's not going to have any interaction with anything but a deer.
01:05:44.000 Right. 0.99
01:05:45.000 So to me, I use that as, well, that's the point where I want to be and I want to get to so I can kill him. 0.95
01:05:50.000 So if he smells anything, getting back to the scent thing, if he smells anything out of the ordinary, the gig's up anyway. 0.94
01:05:57.000 And deer have an insane capability for smell, right?
01:06:01.000 Yeah.
01:06:02.000 Yeah.
01:06:02.000 I mean, you're...
01:06:04.000 They say, I don't know the exact numbers.
01:06:06.000 I mean, I'm not a technical guy.
01:06:07.000 I'm more of a live in the now, you know, feel how I feel kind of person.
01:06:11.000 So, you know, I've had experiences where a deer has been 1,000, 1,500 yards downwind and he smells me and it blows me away.
01:06:18.000 It's like, that deer is 1,500 yards away from me and he smells me and he takes off.
01:06:21.000 Because in the West, you can see that.
01:06:23.000 You can see what goes on.
01:06:24.000 So when you're sneaking around, you see that deer poke his head up, and you know when they're smelling, and they're gone, if they smell you, they're out of there.
01:06:32.000 But when I was hunting this year, there were several times where I bumped these two big bucks.
01:06:36.000 I bumped them three different times.
01:06:37.000 The first two times, they just saw me, and they didn't smell me, and they just kind of moseyed off.
01:06:42.000 They were like, something's weird over there, so that bush isn't supposed to be moving like that.
01:06:47.000 But then the one time that they smelled me, they didn't see me.
01:06:49.000 They just smelled me and they were gone.
01:06:51.000 I mean, they booked it.
01:06:52.000 Do they smell your breath?
01:06:54.000 Like, what are they smelling?
01:06:55.000 Yeah, everything.
01:06:56.000 You fart in the woods, don't you? 0.71
01:06:57.000 I do.
01:06:58.000 Well, there's...
01:06:58.000 It depends.
01:07:00.000 It's breath.
01:07:00.000 But it's...
01:07:01.000 We have a scent, you know?
01:07:02.000 Right.
01:07:02.000 I mean, I smell myself right now sitting here.
01:07:04.000 But it's like...
01:07:05.000 We have an aroma about us just like they have an aroma about them, you know?
01:07:09.000 So you wash your clothes and the scent-free stuff.
01:07:11.000 You spray, whatever.
01:07:12.000 But...
01:07:13.000 30 minutes into a hike, I'm sweating and smelling like a man swells.
01:07:19.000 You could maybe eliminate the very outskirts of their ability.
01:07:26.000 Don't even try.
01:07:26.000 Just play the wind.
01:07:28.000 And that's hard, too, because there's millions of advertising dollars spent in promoting scent elimination products, and some of my sponsors promote scent elimination clothing or whatever, and at the end of the day...
01:07:42.000 All that stuff can help.
01:07:43.000 It can eliminate, like you're saying, it can take your scent aroma from here to here, which is good.
01:07:49.000 That's your advantage.
01:07:50.000 What about those ozone things?
01:07:52.000 Those ozone things that people put behind them?
01:07:55.000 I can't speak for that.
01:07:55.000 I don't know.
01:07:56.000 Ozonics? 0.73
01:07:56.000 I dealt with ozone with water, but I don't know. 0.73
01:07:59.000 I don't know.
01:07:59.000 Yeah, was that...
01:08:00.000 It's a giant box that's above your...
01:08:02.000 Yeah.
01:08:03.000 Tree stand?
01:08:03.000 Does it play music?
01:08:04.000 Yeah, muzak.
01:08:06.000 Yeah, something.
01:08:07.000 It's like elevator music to calm them down, put some, sedate them.
01:08:10.000 Looks like a projector to me.
01:08:12.000 It's like the air cleaner thing.
01:08:13.000 Yeah.
01:08:14.000 It's the ozone.
01:08:14.000 It puts out, which I'm experienced with ozone with water when I worked for a water company.
01:08:19.000 The ozone is a form of...
01:08:21.000 Sanitizing.
01:08:22.000 Sanitizing, yeah.
01:08:22.000 It keeps the lines clean and it keeps everything clean.
01:08:25.000 So I guess if you inject that into the air, and you can smell ozone.
01:08:29.000 Like after a good heavy rainstorm or something, you can smell the ozone in the air.
01:08:33.000 You can smell it.
01:08:34.000 The ozone from the ozone layer?
01:08:36.000 Yeah, just from the environment.
01:08:38.000 Yeah.
01:08:40.000 It disables the ions and does something.
01:08:42.000 Yeah, you can get them for your house.
01:08:44.000 I know people that have got them around their house and it lowers the dust levels, allergens.
01:08:48.000 Really?
01:08:49.000 Yeah, just paralyzes it, brings it right to, yeah.
01:08:51.000 But isn't ozone toxic?
01:08:54.000 Yeah, you can get yourself pretty sick from it.
01:08:57.000 So if you're sitting in a tree stand blowing ozone on your face...
01:09:01.000 I can't speak to it.
01:09:02.000 To me, I don't know, man.
01:09:03.000 That's one more thing I've got to haul up the tree.
01:09:05.000 I'm never going to use one.
01:09:06.000 I mean, they can come to me and say, hey, we'll give you 50 grand to use this thing.
01:09:09.000 I'll be like, I'll take your 50 grand, but I ain't going to use it.
01:09:12.000 Wow, how rude.
01:09:13.000 I can't believe you're saying this on a podcast, ladies and gentlemen.
01:09:16.000 Hey, you know...
01:09:17.000 Well, good for you to be honest, though.
01:09:19.000 I appreciate that very much.
01:09:21.000 I had a sponsorship at one time with a scent elimination company, and they wanted to grow that sponsorship.
01:09:26.000 Of course, there was other pretense to it to move to another network and different things, and I ended up turning that down.
01:09:32.000 And I told him exactly, I'm like, this is not a product that I can get behind 100%.
01:09:37.000 And if I can't believe in what it is, then people are going to see right through that.
01:09:41.000 So for me, it's like that money that you're going to give me does us both no good.
01:09:47.000 So I discontinued that relationship with that sponsor.
01:09:50.000 Yeah, I feel the same way about sponsors for the podcast.
01:09:53.000 I've turned down a bunch.
01:09:54.000 I've turned down one recently.
01:09:55.000 It was pretty lucrative, but I'd be like, eww, I don't like it.
01:09:58.000 I don't like what they're selling.
01:09:59.000 I don't like the idea.
01:10:00.000 Not doing it.
01:10:01.000 With the TV show, you see some of the ads or the billboards that are running in the show and everything.
01:10:06.000 What a person's got to realize, too, from a production standpoint is...
01:10:10.000 We have sponsors, quote-unquote sponsors that we are backing, Under Armour, Prime, G5, all these that are backers and investors.
01:10:19.000 They're pretty much investors in you and in your business and your brand.
01:10:22.000 And then there's ads that you sell.
01:10:25.000 30-second commercial spots, those types of things.
01:10:27.000 That's ad placement that either the network's going to put in there or I'm going to sell it to somebody to put in there.
01:10:33.000 Maybe people don't understand how outdoor shows work.
01:10:37.000 Outdoor shows work a little bit different than a lot of other shows.
01:10:40.000 A lot of times they get, like say if a guy puts on a show like Solo Hunter, you have a certain amount of advertising space that's for you, for your program, but then the network has a certain amount of advertising space of their own for their things.
01:10:54.000 I had to tell Rinella about an advertiser that was competing with one of his friends' companies That was on the same show.
01:11:03.000 I go, do you know that you guys are selling this on your show?
01:11:05.000 He goes, what?
01:11:06.000 We're selling that?
01:11:07.000 I go, yeah, your show had an ad for this, which is a rip-off of another product.
01:11:11.000 It's because they didn't protect the category.
01:11:13.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:11:14.000 For like Under Armour and some of these other, the major sponsors, you protect categories.
01:11:17.000 So when somebody buys a commercial spot on the show for say, that's protected.
01:11:22.000 I'm not going to go out and find another clothing guy, you know, camera sponsor or any of that.
01:11:26.000 I'm exclusive for these guys.
01:11:28.000 Yeah.
01:11:28.000 Yeah, that makes sense.
01:11:29.000 So for folks who don't know exactly how you're saying it, it's kind of a unique thing.
01:11:34.000 You're kind of buying time on the network.
01:11:37.000 Yeah, that's one thing I tell people, is there's no rule book, but there's no playbook either.
01:11:42.000 So the networks, there's a lot of variations.
01:11:44.000 The majority of hunting shows out there, they're called time buys, where we buy that 30-minute block on the network, and then we buy a certain amount of advertising.
01:11:54.000 And we sell that advertising.
01:11:55.000 And then whatever advertising we don't buy from the network, because within a 30-minute block, you have six minutes of commercial time.
01:12:04.000 So it's three two-minute commercial breaks.
01:12:06.000 So whether I buy any of those commercial times or not, Outdoor Channel is going to put in three two-minute breaks into that programming.
01:12:13.000 So my 30 minutes turns into 22 minutes.
01:12:17.000 So what I do is I buy however many 30-second commercial spots I can sell, I buy that from the network.
01:12:24.000 I turn around and sell at a margin.
01:12:26.000 Then, within the show content, I get paid to wear somebody's hat.
01:12:30.000 I get paid to wear somebody's shirt.
01:12:32.000 If I use a product, I get paid.
01:12:34.000 And there's different ad placements in there.
01:12:37.000 People think that it's all about hunting.
01:12:39.000 Hunting's the fun part.
01:12:41.000 But for me, the business is the fun part, too.
01:12:43.000 So you're trying to calculate, in that 30 minutes, how can I maximize my revenue?
01:12:48.000 Because you have a limited number of advertising spots that you can put in there.
01:12:52.000 So it's, who can I contract and who can we fit in certain places?
01:12:58.000 It's a very interesting way to produce television that a lot of folks aren't aware of.
01:13:02.000 It's cool in a way because there are shows on the hunting television that are more like Discovery Channel where the network pays for them to be produced and they actually own the content.
01:13:12.000 They're called Outdoor Channel Originals or on Sportsman's Channel.
01:13:14.000 I don't know what they're called, whatever.
01:13:16.000 Where the network is invested into these shows or they give them their time for certain...
01:13:20.000 There's a myriad of ways things can be done.
01:13:24.000 But at the end of the day, I want to own Solo Hunter and I want to own Timbernet.
01:13:28.000 I want to own my brand.
01:13:29.000 I don't want, just because they're buying the show off me, I don't want to have them have any control over me or what I do or what I say or what advertisers I can bring in.
01:13:37.000 So at the end of the day, yeah, I'm having to front some money and run it as a business rather than somebody paying me to produce a show.
01:13:44.000 But at the end of the day, there's no limit to what I can make.
01:13:47.000 There's no limit to the advertising that I can sell.
01:13:49.000 And I own myself.
01:13:50.000 I own the show.
01:13:51.000 I own the brand.
01:13:52.000 Are you aware of this whole sort of movement that's going on right now on television, on regular television, like the History Channel and a lot of these other channels, where they're really concentrating on people that are trying to live sustainable lives?
01:14:04.000 Like the Alaska shows, like Alaska Last Frontier, or there's that other show, Life Below Zero.
01:14:11.000 Have you ever seen that show?
01:14:12.000 It's a good show.
01:14:13.000 A lot of it is hunting.
01:14:14.000 Yeah, and I follow that stuff probably more than I do in the hunting industry.
01:14:19.000 Because to me, it's obviously mainstream, but it's more fascinating because you don't have...
01:14:26.000 Individual little guys like me conceptualizing and coming up with the content.
01:14:30.000 You have big boys in big rooms making big decisions with big checks, doing big analysis on viewership and on what people are looking for and all that.
01:14:38.000 You have them creating the concepts and the ideas.
01:14:41.000 So to me, it's like those are the people I want to watch because those are the people with the brains and the backing behind them.
01:14:48.000 Knowing, with their hand on the pulse of what society's looking for.
01:14:52.000 Allegedly.
01:14:53.000 Allegedly.
01:14:54.000 Which, you know, yeah. 1.00
01:14:55.000 Most of the time they're just TV fuckheads. 0.97
01:14:57.000 The hard thing with that is, like, you know, there's a larger part of society that are non-hunters, non-outdoorsmen than there are that are, you know, outdoorsmen. 0.97
01:15:05.000 But you're starting to see a lot of content, you know, people trying to portray that lifestyle.
01:15:08.000 Yeah, that's why I asked you, because I think it's a...
01:15:11.000 There's...
01:15:12.000 There's this movement right now.
01:15:14.000 And you see it in weird ways.
01:15:16.000 You see it with preppers.
01:15:18.000 A lot of these weird people that are canning foods and digging holes in their backyard and burying water bottles and stuff.
01:15:24.000 Taking dumps in coffee cans.
01:15:25.000 Whatever.
01:15:26.000 Well, preppers, it's weird.
01:15:28.000 Because some of them are living in cities and they're putting all this stuff together.
01:15:32.000 And I kind of got news for you. 1.00
01:15:35.000 If you're living in a city and the shit hits the fan, you better get the fuck out of that city. 1.00
01:15:38.000 That's what I told my wife. 1.00
01:15:39.000 I'm like, you know what?
01:15:40.000 I'm flying through Vegas into LA on 9-11.
01:15:43.000 It's like, there's nowhere to go.
01:15:45.000 I don't know how you guys do it down here.
01:15:46.000 There's nowhere to escape.
01:15:47.000 There's nowhere.
01:15:48.000 Where I'm at, I'm like, out the back door, gone.
01:15:50.000 Middle of the Nevada desert.
01:15:51.000 You'll never find me.
01:15:53.000 But here, it's like, man, you can't...
01:15:56.000 Well, it's going to be...
01:15:57.000 Also, you're going to be surrounded by a bunch of people who don't have any food, who don't have any water.
01:16:01.000 And they're going to find out that you have food and water. 0.99
01:16:03.000 You better have a lot of bullets and fucking Adderall to stay awake. 0.99
01:16:07.000 Don't let people know you've got a year's supply of food. 1.00
01:16:09.000 Yeah, don't get on a prepper show where it shows the fucking front of your house and all your neighbors know where your stored food is. 1.00
01:16:16.000 Crap hits the fan. 1.00
01:16:16.000 There's a lot of us that are in trouble. 1.00
01:16:18.000 Ultimately, society is going to have to bond together and that's where religion and a lot of these groups will come together and that's where it will become valuable for people that don't see it.
01:16:28.000 That's where little groups, communities, if you don't know your neighbor, man, you should know your stinking neighbor because the guy might be covering your back one night.
01:16:37.000 Maybe.
01:16:38.000 So you need to know your area.
01:16:41.000 It's the fan. 0.96
01:16:42.000 We're all screwed anyways.
01:16:43.000 Yeah, you're almost like, I was listening to this other show that I listen to all the time called Radio Lab, a podcast, and they were talking about the impact that killed the dinosaurs. 0.53
01:16:52.000 And when they were talking about it, it was like, you're just going over what the original human was, like this thing that allegedly came out of that impact, like what animals, what fossils they know of. 0.99
01:17:06.000 And it's almost like you'd rather get hit in the head by the asteroid than go through all that shit. 0.99
01:17:10.000 I know. 1.00
01:17:10.000 You know, you don't want to be the people that have babies in an apocalyptic environment, and then those babies grow on to, like, fuck, man. 1.00
01:17:20.000 Be glad you live in an era where they can make cotton really, really soft. 0.99
01:17:24.000 You know, you've got soft blankets and warm heat, and you don't have to deal with...
01:17:28.000 I'm a big fan of civilization, but I am a big fan of this...
01:17:31.000 Well, we were talking about the prepper thing, because I think there's this...
01:17:36.000 People are sort of realizing, as people pay more attention to a lot of the issues that society has, whether it's environmental issues, like whether it's pollution, or garbage that's being dumped into the ocean, or the amount of fish that's getting pulled out of the ocean,
01:17:52.000 sustainability, and they start looking at the ideas of where their food comes from.
01:17:57.000 People are really into grass-fed beef now.
01:17:59.000 Grass-fed beef is a big thing. 0.96
01:18:01.000 It was fucking non-existent ten years ago. 0.96
01:18:03.000 Never saw grass-fed beef anywhere. 0.98
01:18:05.000 Almost every supermarket I go to now has a little section, grass-fed meat. 0.99
01:18:10.000 And people are concerned about animals that are eating what they're supposed to be eating instead of some weird fucking grain. 0.97
01:18:16.000 The news for people is beef, being here in the West, we see a lot of that. 0.99
01:18:21.000 And the majority of its life is grass-fed.
01:18:25.000 They turn them out on the range.
01:18:26.000 They pay fees for the BLM or wherever it is.
01:18:29.000 They're grass-fed up until about three months at the end of their life where they're put onto a feedlot, fed a bunch of fat foods, fattened up, so they taste good when I put them on the grill.
01:18:38.000 There's a reason why...
01:18:40.000 In my opinion, why food's been engineered and changed is because it makes them...
01:18:47.000 We've got a lot of people to feed, you know, for one.
01:18:50.000 Yeah.
01:18:51.000 So, in a way, that's good, but as long as I can go out and still obtain a deer tag or an elk tag and go out and get my own meat for myself...
01:18:58.000 I'm going to continue to do that.
01:19:01.000 It's a totally different kind of meat. 1.00
01:19:03.000 The point is that when you eat a steak from an elk or a deer and then you eat a steak from a cow, one of them is a fat, lazy fuck that's marbling. 1.00
01:19:14.000 That shit's not supposed to be there. 1.00
01:19:16.000 It tastes so good. 1.00
01:19:17.000 It does taste so good.
01:19:18.000 I love it.
01:19:18.000 I had a ribeye last night.
01:19:20.000 A bone-in ribeye.
01:19:22.000 Oh, delicious. 0.99
01:19:23.000 I'm sure it was not fucking grass-fed whatsoever. 0.99
01:19:25.000 Probably never even saw grass. 0.99
01:19:28.000 Probably never feared for its life either.
01:19:30.000 Oh, probably not to the end.
01:19:31.000 It didn't even know the end, you know?
01:19:33.000 The axe fell and...
01:19:34.000 I don't think it's an axe.
01:19:35.000 I don't know what it is.
01:19:36.000 It's a piston.
01:19:36.000 Piston.
01:19:37.000 Is that what it is?
01:19:38.000 That thing like No Country for Old Men?
01:19:40.000 That thing that he uses?
01:19:42.000 Then they take a rod.
01:19:43.000 And then they take a rod and go...
01:19:45.000 I remember in high school I watched a video on the butchering process and it made me sick.
01:19:51.000 When they killed the cow it made me sick.
01:19:55.000 After that it wasn't that big of a deal because I had dealt with that before.
01:19:58.000 What's weird is when they do it kosher style Like, kosher, you have to cut its throat, and it suffers way more.
01:20:05.000 Yeah, that's brutal.
01:20:06.000 It's very strange.
01:20:07.000 Like, they have rules, and a lot of the rules are like old-school religious rules, like the reason why you're not supposed to eat pigs.
01:20:13.000 Well, it's because a lot of pigs carry trichinosis. 0.78
01:20:16.000 That's what they did back in the day, at least.
01:20:17.000 And so they were telling people, don't eat pigs.
01:20:19.000 Why? 0.99
01:20:20.000 Because people eat pigs, and they got really fucking sick. 0.99
01:20:22.000 So they wrote it down. 0.99
01:20:23.000 Don't eat pigs.
01:20:24.000 It's against the religion. 0.99
01:20:25.000 The way I grew up, you know, I mean, you talk about organic, and you talk about raw.
01:20:28.000 I mean, the way I grew up, It's probably about as organic and raw as you can get.
01:20:33.000 I mean, whole milk, straight from the cow.
01:20:35.000 You milk the cow, take it in, strain it through a cloth, chill it, skim the cream off, or shake it in and you drink it.
01:20:44.000 No pasteurization, nothing.
01:20:46.000 That's how I grew up.
01:20:49.000 There was a time there when my dad was a farmer and he lost the farm, so he had to go back to college.
01:20:53.000 Well, there was a big time stretch in there where we had to sustain off the land or off of the farm.
01:20:59.000 We had animals to eat and the farmers would come and drop off a sack of potatoes because they knew that those little ruggedy kids, their dad's off going to college and their mom's trying to take care of them.
01:21:09.000 And so we literally lived off the land for a lot of time.
01:21:12.000 So your dad was somewhere else and you were on the farm?
01:21:14.000 Dad went to college in Provo, Utah.
01:21:16.000 Well, we lived in central Idaho, you know, because he went back to school to get his teaching degree because we lost the farm.
01:21:23.000 He was a potato farmer for a long time.
01:21:25.000 So we're living on the farm and it wasn't unusual.
01:21:31.000 For mom to go out, grab one of the rabbits that we were raising, and I'll never forget the first rabbit that I watched her kill, hung it up, smacked it on the head, and we had rabbit for dinner.
01:21:43.000 And there was a lot of times where it's like, Timothy, can you go grab a chicken?
01:21:47.000 We need dinner or whatever, and you'd go out and you'd get a chicken and you'd take care of it and bring it in.
01:21:54.000 It's just part of the lifestyle that I grew up that you didn't go to the grocery store and get things.
01:21:59.000 You went out to the garden and you pulled out a zucchini.
01:22:02.000 You went and pulled some tomatoes.
01:22:04.000 What was really cool was the irrigation system that was there, the little ditches.
01:22:08.000 I mean, asparagus everywhere, wild rhubarb.
01:22:11.000 I mean, there's all these different kinds of things that...
01:22:14.000 We probably did out of necessity during that time span, more so than out of, yeah, we're going to live off of our farm, live off of what we create.
01:22:21.000 But I think that time span taught me a lot about the reality of life and death, the reality of, hey, you can create and be completely self-sustained.
01:22:32.000 You can create your own food, everything, right here, just on one tiny little farm.
01:22:37.000 And then also, that's what kind of gave me a love and a passion with animals, because You're raising a calf from the time it's born.
01:22:49.000 You're bottle feeding it.
01:22:50.000 You're feeding it all through the winter time, breaking the ice off the water trough and everything else.
01:22:56.000 The next spring, you're killing it.
01:22:57.000 And then you're going to eat it.
01:22:59.000 So there's that whole span where you go from life to death in a five, six, eight month period of time.
01:23:05.000 And as a young kid...
01:23:08.000 That could be either traumatic or that could be a major life-learning experience.
01:23:13.000 And I took that as, this is the way life is.
01:23:16.000 That's the way things happen.
01:23:18.000 So when I grew up and you get older and you get to college and people start throwing the, ah, you eat animals or this and that, and the vegetarian stuff, and you start learning the things of the world, that's where it's like, man, you people are the ones that are crazy, not me.
01:23:31.000 There's just so much ignorance involved in people that live in cities and claim that there's something wrong with people that eat animals.
01:23:41.000 What's wrong is factory farming.
01:23:43.000 There's something wrong about factory farming.
01:23:45.000 There's something wrong about jamming a bunch of chickens into a box that's so small they can't move and they cut their beaks off so they don't peck each other's eyes out.
01:23:52.000 That's the thing is, do they have to do that in order to provide enough food for people?
01:23:56.000 That's where I'm ignorant on the subject because it's like, man, part of it is like, well, we've got to produce food.
01:24:01.000 We We've got to have GMOs.
01:24:02.000 We've got to have grain grow faster.
01:24:03.000 We've got to have these different things just to provide food for people. 1.00
01:24:07.000 There's so many fucking people. 0.98
01:24:07.000 Because we're providing food for people all over the world. 0.98
01:24:09.000 So it's like, dang, where's the fine line there?
01:24:12.000 It's a good point.
01:24:13.000 I just think that ethics involved in raising animals, I think it is important.
01:24:19.000 It is important.
01:24:20.000 And it's important that these animals don't suffer needlessly.
01:24:24.000 But the idea that eating them is wrong, it's like...
01:24:28.000 Boy, there's some weird...
01:24:30.000 It's a very shallow-minded argument, in my opinion.
01:24:33.000 Not shallow-minded, but the exploration of that idea.
01:24:38.000 The exploration of that idea is kind of simplistic.
01:24:42.000 Because if you just let the animals free...
01:24:44.000 Okay, no more livestock, no more this.
01:24:47.000 Well, what are you going to do with all those animals?
01:24:49.000 Are you going to just let them roam free?
01:24:50.000 And if you let them roam free...
01:24:52.000 How are you planning on driving anywhere?
01:24:54.000 Because if you're planning on going play, do you want to keep them penned up?
01:24:57.000 And you want to keep feeding them and just not eat them?
01:24:59.000 Okay.
01:24:59.000 Well, what are you going to do when there's too many of them?
01:25:02.000 Well, there shouldn't have been that many to begin with, you know?
01:25:04.000 Or it's because of the factory farming that there are that many pigs or that many turkeys or whatever.
01:25:09.000 Well, do you know what they're doing in the Hamptons?
01:25:11.000 The Hamptons is like a really rich area.
01:25:13.000 Yeah, I've heard it on your podcast.
01:25:14.000 That's the first time I heard about that.
01:25:15.000 They're trying to give them birth control. 0.96
01:25:17.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:25:17.000 They're trying to give deer birth control.
01:25:19.000 I mean, birth control...
01:25:20.000 Hundreds of thousands of dollars.
01:25:21.000 They're doing it now?
01:25:21.000 They're doing it now?
01:25:22.000 Are they doing it?
01:25:23.000 Yeah, right now. 0.99
01:25:23.000 What the fuck is wrong with these people? 0.99
01:25:25.000 They've done birth control in certain cities, I think. 1.00
01:25:27.000 The fuck is wrong with these people? 0.99
01:25:28.000 You know what? 1.00
01:25:28.000 Birth control, it's like, you know, it's a 22 cent 308. I don't know. 1.00
01:25:33.000 I mean, that's birth control right now.
01:25:34.000 Yeah, or Arrows.
01:25:36.000 I mean, in one of the shows, Waddell and that dude T-Bone.
01:25:41.000 Never heard of him.
01:25:41.000 You know those guys.
01:25:42.000 Never heard of him.
01:25:43.000 They went to New Jersey, and they were in this residential neighborhood in New Jersey that has a deer problem. 0.99
01:25:51.000 So they were posted up on these tree stands in these people's backyards, just fucking deer everywhere. 0.98
01:25:57.000 These guys, Mark here grew up in New York. 0.99
01:25:59.000 That's where I'm from.
01:26:00.000 Ithaca, yeah.
01:26:00.000 Oh, yeah.
01:26:01.000 So that place is mobbed.
01:26:03.000 Mobbed with deer.
01:26:04.000 Yeah.
01:26:04.000 You can't even drive at night.
01:26:05.000 Yeah, so what they do is they shut down the parks, and they allow you to go in after all the deer season's done, and you're allowed to take up to five deer.
01:26:12.000 Wow.
01:26:13.000 And it's so controlled that they want to know at the end of every day, you have to log on a piece of paper, part of your license, what you've seen and how many, where they were.
01:26:22.000 The guys in Boston, like Mitch and Tim, they were showing me where they were hunting.
01:26:27.000 I went to visit them.
01:26:27.000 It was like five minutes away from New Plymouth Rock.
01:26:31.000 They're like hunting right there on the ocean and everything.
01:26:33.000 I was just like, man, that's crazy.
01:26:35.000 Just overwhelmed with urban deer or suburban, suburban deer.
01:26:41.000 Yeah.
01:26:41.000 It's a big issue also with ticks, because those deer are the ones that are carrying those deer ticks, and those are the ones that are carrying that Lyme disease.
01:26:49.000 My wife's obsessed with ticks. 1.00
01:26:52.000 Every time she talks to me on the phone, did you check yourself for ticks?
01:26:54.000 No, babe, I can't see that far.
01:26:56.000 Did you check yourself for ticks?
01:26:57.000 No.
01:26:57.000 Ronella and his kid both got Lyme disease, and one of his producers.
01:27:01.000 Never heard of him.
01:27:03.000 He got it really bad, though.
01:27:05.000 I know.
01:27:05.000 His kid had Bell's Palsy.
01:27:07.000 I don't know if you- Oh, that's sad.
01:27:08.000 Yeah, that's crazy.
01:27:08.000 It was ugly.
01:27:09.000 But he was saying on the last podcast I did with him, but they did some study of ticks in the- Hudson Valley?
01:27:17.000 Hudson Valley, yeah.
01:27:18.000 Hudson County or something?
01:27:19.000 Something like 70 to 80% of them have Lyme disease.
01:27:22.000 Wow. 1.00
01:27:22.000 It's a fucking epidemic. 1.00
01:27:23.000 That's crazy. 1.00
01:27:24.000 Well, they had a stinking, whatchamacallit, Burning Man in Nevada out there.
01:27:30.000 I guess a bunch of the people got West Nile disease or something from all the mosquitoes.
01:27:34.000 Yeah, 16,000 to 23,000 people came down with West Nile.
01:27:39.000 What?
01:27:40.000 All the more reason not to go to Burning Man.
01:27:42.000 There's no need for any more reasons to not go to Burning Man.
01:27:45.000 But if you did need one, that's it.
01:27:47.000 If I go to Burning Man, it's to hand out soap.
01:27:49.000 Yeah.
01:27:50.000 I do find myself up on the mountain, though, sometimes you're like, I wonder if I got any ticks.
01:27:54.000 But, you know, I've never...
01:27:55.000 I mean, there's...
01:27:56.000 That deer I shot last week, holy cow, did you see the cape?
01:27:59.000 There's ticks everywhere.
01:28:00.000 Just covered.
01:28:01.000 Literally just...
01:28:02.000 And what's crazy is when, after the animal dies, I brought it back and I caped it out and everything, which is, if you don't know what caping is, is when you take...
01:28:10.000 The hide for mounting.
01:28:12.000 So you take it off the head and neck and you bring it back.
01:28:14.000 You tan it and you have it mounted so you can preserve your...
01:28:17.000 Whether it's a trophy or you can preserve your memories or whatever it is, but...
01:28:21.000 Once it dies, and it goes through the cooling process, the ticks don't have anywhere warm to stay anymore, and there's no blood, and there's nothing, so they just start coming out like crazy.
01:28:30.000 I mean, there was just this pile of ticks.
01:28:32.000 I was like, man, that's... 0.78
01:28:33.000 Do you kill them? 0.99
01:28:35.000 What do you do? 1.00
01:28:35.000 Ah, you just let them go. 1.00
01:28:37.000 You can't kill a tick.
01:28:39.000 I mean, we used to, when we'd have sheep and stuff, and we'd be on the farm, you'd kind of roll your fingernail over and crush them and try to kill them, but they're...
01:28:45.000 Yeah, they're tough.
01:28:46.000 They're like a flea.
01:28:47.000 Just don't get them on you.
01:28:48.000 Yeah, they're bad.
01:28:49.000 They're yucky.
01:28:50.000 I don't know.
01:28:51.000 I could have Lyme disease.
01:28:52.000 I would never know. 1.00
01:28:53.000 I think you just start feeling like shit. 1.00
01:28:56.000 Some days you feel bad, some days you feel bad. 0.99
01:28:58.000 Well, they say that, you know, do you remember like in the 80s or 90s, a lot of people were coming down with chronic fatigue syndrome.
01:29:05.000 They linked it to Lyme disease?
01:29:06.000 Yeah.
01:29:06.000 Is that what you're...
01:29:07.000 Yeah, people were saying, well, it was a real issue.
01:29:09.000 People were saying, oh, my friend has chronic fatigue syndrome.
01:29:12.000 What does that mean?
01:29:14.000 Well, sometimes people just get, for whatever reason, they're just tired all the time, their body aches.
01:29:18.000 Well, why?
01:29:19.000 They don't know.
01:29:20.000 Well, now they believe that a lot of those people have Lyme disease.
01:29:24.000 Because apparently there's a lot of doctors to this day that are reluctant to diagnose someone with Lyme disease.
01:29:30.000 And that's what Rennell ran into with his kid.
01:29:32.000 He was like, I think my kid's got Lyme disease.
01:29:34.000 And the doctor's like, ah, don't worry about it.
01:29:35.000 It's nothing.
01:29:36.000 And then it turns out that he did. 0.92
01:29:38.000 And he was really fucking pissed off because he brought his kid in there three times. 0.95
01:29:41.000 But they'll sure slap him on Ritalin in a hurry. 0.98
01:29:43.000 Oh, yeah.
01:29:43.000 Yeah.
01:29:44.000 Go put your kid on Prozac.
01:29:45.000 Maybe it'll help us.
01:29:46.000 I guarantee if I took my kid in, they'd be like, ah, he's ADD. You got to calm that kid down.
01:29:50.000 I'm like, nah, man.
01:29:51.000 He's a boy.
01:29:52.000 No Burning Man was not infected with West Nile virus.
01:29:55.000 Oh, see that?
01:29:57.000 What happened?
01:29:59.000 That's the Huffington Post.
01:30:01.000 I'm going to believe that one.
01:30:02.000 They found it in that area and some traps, but it wasn't on any people or anything.
01:30:05.000 Oh, okay.
01:30:06.000 Only one case in that county.
01:30:07.000 Yes.
01:30:08.000 Oh.
01:30:08.000 So that whole last five minutes of that segment, there were so many people out there screaming, you guys are wrong!
01:30:13.000 You're so full of crap. 1.00
01:30:13.000 You're spreading lies. 1.00
01:30:14.000 That's kind of every podcast I've ever done, ever.
01:30:17.000 I got news.
01:30:18.000 Yeah.
01:30:20.000 There's no way around that.
01:30:21.000 It doesn't matter.
01:30:21.000 You just got to do your thing.
01:30:23.000 So I guess it's not 16,000.
01:30:24.000 It's zero.
01:30:25.000 Zero.
01:30:26.000 Close.
01:30:27.000 Close, Mark.
01:30:28.000 Well, when you think about, you know, 7 billion people on the planet, you weren't that far off.
01:30:33.000 I said I heard.
01:30:33.000 I heard.
01:30:34.000 Close enough.
01:30:36.000 So, back to this movement, this trend that people are having.
01:30:43.000 I think a lot of it comes with people that are kind of trying to shy away from GMO foods.
01:30:48.000 And these people that are trying to move towards sustainability.
01:30:51.000 And I think that's what's being reflected in a lot of these shows.
01:30:55.000 But I find it fascinating that people are really into these shows that have never had any desire to hunt.
01:31:01.000 And they accept it.
01:31:03.000 Especially Life Below Zero is a really good one.
01:31:05.000 And they accept how these people live.
01:31:07.000 Because, well, hey, those people live out in the bush.
01:31:10.000 They have no choice.
01:31:11.000 And it's a unique lifestyle choice instead of...
01:31:15.000 Hey, Tim Burnett likes to go out and shoot things and hunt them and film it.
01:31:19.000 But I feel like it's the same thing.
01:31:21.000 I really do.
01:31:22.000 I feel like it's exactly the same thing.
01:31:24.000 It's just they've stylistically labeled it in a different way and it became a reality show about unique people.
01:31:31.000 Does that mean I have to accept a hippie that's out there humping like minks all over? 0.96
01:31:37.000 Transmitting diseases everywhere because that's the lifestyle that they chose. 0.99
01:31:41.000 They hump minx. 0.99
01:31:43.000 Humping like minx. 0.96
01:31:44.000 I don't know. 0.98
01:31:44.000 Whatever. 0.98
01:31:45.000 What's a minx? 1.00
01:31:46.000 Like the animal?
01:31:47.000 Rogan, you're ruining my example here.
01:31:48.000 I'm sorry.
01:31:49.000 I'm just saying.
01:31:49.000 Just because they're saying that it's acceptable because those people interjected themselves into that lifestyle.
01:31:55.000 So it's like, okay, so the people that are living a, you know, whatever lifestyle, should I accept that just because they're putting themselves into that lifestyle?
01:32:03.000 It's like...
01:32:04.000 Well, I have no problem accepting any lifestyle that doesn't intrude on mine.
01:32:07.000 But when I see these reality shows, whatever you want to call them, where these people are living this sustainable life, I find it super intriguing, almost like in a primal way.
01:32:19.000 I love watching those shows.
01:32:22.000 There's Life Below Zero.
01:32:24.000 There's one guy, I think his name is Glenn, and he lives...
01:32:29.000 Deep in the woods.
01:32:30.000 He lives right next to this lake.
01:32:32.000 He doesn't have any power. 1.00
01:32:35.000 He doesn't have a fucking snowmobile. 0.99
01:32:37.000 There's levels that these guys do it. 1.00
01:32:39.000 Some guys have snowmobiles.
01:32:40.000 There's one guy, Eric.
01:32:41.000 He has a snowmobile and he traps and hunts and he sells the furs and things along those lines.
01:32:47.000 He gets some money for that for supply.
01:32:49.000 Then he also guides.
01:32:50.000 He's a hunting guide.
01:32:52.000 But this other guy, Glenn, he's none of that.
01:32:55.000 I mean, he has some furs that he sells, and with the money he gets bullets.
01:32:59.000 And that's basically, he has pots and pans and things along those lines for cooking.
01:33:05.000 But everything he does, he's chopping his own wood.
01:33:08.000 He makes his own fire with one of those things. 0.99
01:33:11.000 He puts the piece in his mouth with the stick so he can hold it in place and does the whole thing with the fucking... 0.99
01:33:16.000 It looks like one of those things you play the violin with. 0.99
01:33:20.000 Just a fire bow?
01:33:22.000 Just a fire bow.
01:33:22.000 A fire bow, but it's an old school one where he holds a piece in his mouth that keeps a stick in place so he can use both hands for the momentum.
01:33:32.000 Exactly.
01:33:32.000 So you really get it fast.
01:33:33.000 Because normally you push down with one arm and you bow with another arm.
01:33:35.000 So he bites down on it with his teeth, holds the stick in place, and he can make a fire pretty quickly like that.
01:33:41.000 It's pretty interesting to watch.
01:33:43.000 But he said, hey, you know, you could lose matches.
01:33:45.000 Matches get wet.
01:33:46.000 This I'll never lose.
01:33:47.000 So he's gone so old school.
01:33:50.000 As old school as old school gets.
01:33:53.000 And it's amazing.
01:33:54.000 It's fascinating.
01:33:55.000 But for this guy, when he talks about it, he talks about how...
01:34:00.000 Exciting and enriching every day is for him.
01:34:02.000 Every day has a purpose.
01:34:04.000 Every day is, you know, acquiring food, living off the land, figuring out a way to store that food.
01:34:09.000 He's got this meat cooler room that he's built that's like a sod house.
01:34:16.000 So he has all this sod over it, you know, to kind of keep it essentially underground, keep it cool.
01:34:21.000 And he has all his meat hanging in there.
01:34:23.000 It's just...
01:34:25.000 It's incredibly fascinating that people are tuned into this stuff and geared...
01:34:29.000 And a lot of my friends that have never had any desire to hunt whatsoever watch these shows and it sort of sparks that little fascination inside of them.
01:34:37.000 It's got to be good.
01:34:38.000 I mean, that's got to be a good thing.
01:34:39.000 Yeah.
01:34:42.000 Yeah, I mean, that's just like Alaska, the last frontier.
01:34:45.000 That's one that I really like.
01:34:46.000 Yeah.
01:34:46.000 And I think that one's kind of twofold.
01:34:48.000 The reason I like it is, one, because the cast members, the characters, you know, they're pretty interesting and I like that.
01:34:54.000 But two, it's the subsistence lifestyle.
01:34:57.000 Yeah.
01:34:58.000 Subsistence lifestyle.
01:35:00.000 Yeah, that's an interesting one, too, because there's different people that are in that family that do it different ways.
01:35:04.000 Like the one guy, Otto's a cattle rancher, and he's got his cattle.
01:35:08.000 And then there's the son who just decides, no cattle ranching, just going to go off a hunting, do the whole thing.
01:35:14.000 Good luck.
01:35:15.000 Yeah, good luck.
01:35:17.000 Well, it can be done, but man, it's not as easy as people would think it is.
01:35:21.000 It's a 24-hour proposition.
01:35:24.000 Yeah.
01:35:24.000 And then there was one just on Discovery Channel.
01:35:27.000 It must have only ran for a few weeks called The Hunt or something where they were documenting or following Outfitters or something.
01:35:34.000 That's James Hatfield from Metallica was the host of it.
01:35:37.000 He got a lot of flack for going on there or something.
01:35:40.000 But it's like, you know...
01:35:44.000 The mainstream networks, and I guess that's kind of a frustration, too.
01:35:47.000 It's like, well, why can't a hunting show go mainstream?
01:35:49.000 Why can't a typical hunting show go mainstream?
01:35:51.000 Well, I don't know if society would accept that or not at a mainstream level.
01:35:55.000 And yet, the Discovery Channel can come out with a series like that that is hunting, and it's bears.
01:35:59.000 They're hunting bears.
01:36:00.000 It's like, why is that okay for Discovery Channel to do that, but for me to go out and kill a deer or an elk?
01:36:07.000 I think it's changing.
01:36:08.000 That's why I brought that up.
01:36:09.000 And I was going to bring up the hunt because I think it is changing.
01:36:12.000 They tried to get James Hatfield removed from the Glastonbury Music Festival because he hosts the hunt.
01:36:18.000 And they used a photograph that they said was him standing over a grizzly bear, but it wasn't even him.
01:36:24.000 It's not him.
01:36:25.000 But pull that photo up.
01:36:26.000 You know that photo of that guy who is the actual hunter?
01:36:30.000 He's been...
01:36:45.000 Right.
01:36:47.000 Right.
01:36:55.000 I'm really dishonest with it.
01:36:57.000 This is the guy.
01:36:57.000 See, and they're promoting that as James Hatfield.
01:37:00.000 Just because he was the narrator behind the series.
01:37:02.000 Yeah, and well, he kind of looks like him a little bit, but it's not James Hatfield at all.
01:37:07.000 That's James Hatfield. 0.79
01:37:08.000 I mean, James Hatfield does hunt, but that's not him standing over that grizzly bear, so the entire premise of this thing that they were doing to try to get Metallica removed from this music festival It was just a bullshit photograph. 0.79
01:37:23.000 Have you had anything against you for you going hunting? 0.76
01:37:26.000 Oh, yeah.
01:37:26.000 Anything publicly where it's like, don't let Rogan do anything with UFC anymore.
01:37:31.000 No.
01:37:33.000 How could you do that?
01:37:34.000 Cage fighting?
01:37:36.000 That's the thing. 0.99
01:37:36.000 The thing about being a cage-fighting commentary, you're already doing something so fucked up. 0.99
01:37:41.000 You're involved in what some people think is human cockfighting. 0.99
01:37:44.000 They don't really care if you go out and shoot animals.
01:37:47.000 But yeah, I've had people angry at me, definitely. 1.00
01:37:49.000 People call me a piece of shit, especially for the bear. 0.99
01:37:52.000 The bear was a bit... 1.00
01:37:53.000 There's a photo of me and Cam standing over this bear I shot.
01:37:55.000 And I got more heat for that than anything I ever did. 0.98
01:37:59.000 I think it's because people have this, what they call anthropomorphication, I think is the word, where they connect animals with human characteristics, like Yogi Bear and fucking all these ridiculous... 0.98
01:38:13.000 I think we grew up that way. 0.98
01:38:14.000 Exactly.
01:38:14.000 We grew up loving those animals, you know?
01:38:16.000 Yeah.
01:38:16.000 I think?
01:38:35.000 The nicest fucking people you ever want to meet in your life. 1.00
01:38:37.000 And they have animals. 1.00
01:38:38.000 They have dogs.
01:38:39.000 They love their dogs.
01:38:40.000 They have a puppy.
01:38:41.000 People who don't understand hunting would never imagine that these people would go out, shoot bears all day, and come home and pet their puppy.
01:38:47.000 To them, it seems completely contradictory and alien.
01:38:51.000 How do you decide what animals you're shooting and what animals you're petting?
01:38:55.000 And I can respect that.
01:38:57.000 I mean, you can see why.
01:38:58.000 I mean, my wife's the same way. 1.00
01:38:59.000 She's like, how can you love animals so much?
01:39:01.000 And, you know, when you see a deer hit on the side of the road, you're like, oh man, that sucks. 0.93
01:39:06.000 And then the next week you go out and kill one. 0.93
01:39:08.000 She's like, I don't get that. 0.94
01:39:09.000 And I'm like, well, it's hunting, it's not killing.
01:39:13.000 Does she eat meat? 0.99
01:39:14.000 She eats meat, yeah. 0.99
01:39:16.000 She's funny.
01:39:16.000 She'll try to, like, I'll cook up some elk steak or something and I'll be like...
01:39:20.000 And I got to admit, I'm not a Ranella.
01:39:22.000 I'm not, you know, Remy's a great cook, but I'm like, I'm one of those guys, I want a slab of meat, I'm going to put it on the grill, it's going to hit 120 degrees, whatever, and I'm going to eat it.
01:39:30.000 You know, I mean, that's, it's like, I don't want to spend my time preparing food.
01:39:34.000 I just want to eat it.
01:39:35.000 And so some of the stuff I cook doesn't taste that great, you know, and that's where it's like, but it's meat, you know, and it's meat that I killed and meat that I brought home, so I'm going to eat it.
01:39:44.000 But to her, it's like, ah, it's a waste of time.
01:39:47.000 So, You know, if I spent more time preparing it and aging it and doing whatever needs to be done with it rather than just cooking it and eating it, she might taste it, but who knows?
01:39:59.000 So she doesn't eat your game meat? 0.96
01:40:00.000 No, I cooked one time when I was like, babe, this is the best.
01:40:03.000 It was tenderloin from an elk, you know, and granted, I... Cooked it on the grill like I probably shouldn't have.
01:40:09.000 And it was doused with barbecue sauce.
01:40:10.000 I mean, you couldn't tell.
01:40:11.000 I couldn't tell.
01:40:12.000 Because I was like, I want this to taste exactly like beef.
01:40:15.000 Which it did.
01:40:16.000 And she chewed on it, took one bite into it, and spit it out.
01:40:19.000 Blah, blah, blah.
01:40:20.000 And of course my boy sees this, so he's like, I don't ever want to eat deer ever again, Dad.
01:40:25.000 You know, because Mom spit it out. 1.00
01:40:26.000 And it's like, no, no, no, no.
01:40:28.000 Mom just doesn't like it, but... 0.99
01:40:30.000 That's funny.
01:40:30.000 I don't know what it is.
01:40:31.000 That's interesting.
01:40:31.000 I hammer on it all the time.
01:40:33.000 I'm like, babe, just try it.
01:40:34.000 But she's like, you can't even cook that in the house. 1.00
01:40:36.000 Don't even cook it in the house.
01:40:38.000 She won't let you cook it in the house? 0.94
01:40:39.000 She will.
01:40:40.000 I mean, she will. 0.99
01:40:41.000 I mean, I wear the pants around there, damn it. 0.99
01:40:44.000 He's going to try to reclaim power here. 0.99
01:40:46.000 Like, please, let me be the man.
01:40:49.000 No, but yeah, she's like, if you're going to cook that, go outside. 1.00
01:40:52.000 So it's like, I'll put it on the grill and I'll chew the crap out of it and I'll eat it.
01:40:56.000 And I enjoy it. 0.84
01:40:57.000 Well, my wife grew up in a hunting family, so she's used to eating like wild games.
01:41:01.000 She likes it.
01:41:02.000 And our kids have been eating it since I started hunting two years ago.
01:41:07.000 So when my youngest daughter was two, it was like the first time she had deer.
01:41:12.000 So she's been eating deer since then.
01:41:14.000 Yeah.
01:41:14.000 They'll eat anything.
01:41:16.000 My kids have been raised on it.
01:41:17.000 They've eaten more wild game than a lot of kids, I'm sure.
01:41:21.000 They just don't know.
01:41:22.000 It's the same.
01:41:22.000 It's meat.
01:41:23.000 When we cook meat, it's meat.
01:41:25.000 Whether it's a deer, an elk, chicken, whatever.
01:41:28.000 My two-year-old, everything's chicken.
01:41:30.000 More chicken!
01:41:30.000 More chicken!
01:41:31.000 It could be a buffalo for all of them.
01:41:33.000 It doesn't matter.
01:41:34.000 Everything's chicken.
01:41:36.000 Yeah, it's a weird thing where people have this connection, but some animals are like your friends, and some animals, like, you should never hunt this.
01:41:47.000 Like, I have an agent.
01:41:48.000 She's a very nice person.
01:41:50.000 She loves animals. 0.98
01:41:50.000 But she told me, oh, I don't mind if you kill pigs. 0.98
01:41:53.000 Wild pigs are disgusting. 1.00
01:41:54.000 They're so ugly. 0.99
01:41:55.000 Yeah, my life's like that. 1.00
01:41:56.000 It's like, they're ugly. 1.00
01:41:58.000 You can kill them because they're ugly. 1.00
01:41:59.000 I'm like, is it their fault that they're ugly? 1.00
01:42:01.000 That's the thing that kind of... 0.97
01:42:03.000 It ticks me off. 0.99
01:42:05.000 Because, like, the network promotes this aporkalypse crap. 0.99
01:42:07.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99
01:42:08.000 And I have...
01:42:09.000 Here's the thing.
01:42:09.000 A little background story to this.
01:42:11.000 I grew up on a farm, obviously.
01:42:13.000 At one time, we had a hog operation.
01:42:15.000 We had hundreds of pigs.
01:42:17.000 You know, whatever. 0.88
01:42:17.000 But, like, I have a love for pigs. 0.88
01:42:19.000 I love animals.
01:42:21.000 They got personalities.
01:42:22.000 They're really cool.
01:42:23.000 You know, I mean...
01:42:24.000 They're cool, and so when I see somebody who will be named nameless on a TV show shoot one arrow through two pigs, and that's okay, but yet if I shoot one arrow through two deer, even if it's legal or two whatever, it's not okay, and then the very next minute shoot a weanling 10-pound pig in the head with a pellet rifle and watch it sit there and flail on the ground, 0.95
01:42:47.000 that's bullcrap. 0.81
01:42:48.000 Well, let's explain what you're talking about. 0.98
01:42:49.000 Because I have a relationship with that hop, with that little pit, where it's like, don't show me that.
01:42:54.000 Do it.
01:42:54.000 You can do it.
01:42:55.000 I don't care.
01:42:55.000 Don't show me that.
01:42:56.000 Don't show public that.
01:42:57.000 Because to me, I think the worst enemies for hunters and hunting television are hunters and hunting television.
01:43:02.000 We're our worst advocate.
01:43:05.000 And I say we, I lump us all in broad strokes.
01:43:07.000 But it's like, there's so many out there doing things that...
01:43:12.000 Yeah, it's the reality of it, but it's not what needs to be seen.
01:43:16.000 I know what you're saying, and I'm going to explain it to people who don't know what you're saying.
01:43:20.000 There are certain shows, and there's one show called Pigman.
01:43:23.000 I wasn't going to say it.
01:43:24.000 I said it.
01:43:25.000 I said it.
01:43:26.000 Sorry, Matt.
01:43:27.000 Anyway, Pigman, he...
01:43:30.000 What they're doing a lot is population control rather than hunting.
01:43:35.000 And they are shooting animals, but they're shooting animals that have overrun these farms.
01:43:39.000 So some of them, when you were saying a porkalypse, what they're doing is they're getting these helicopters.
01:43:45.000 We've played video of it. 0.99
01:43:46.000 It's the craziest shit ever. 1.00
01:43:47.000 Him and Nugent up in helicopters with fucking automatic rifles taking out pigs, like, en masse. 1.00
01:43:55.000 They shot 450 of them or something in a day once. 1.00
01:43:58.000 It's the craziest thing you've ever seen. 0.99
01:43:59.000 These pigs are running, and then, boom, headshot as they're running, they're tumbling.
01:44:03.000 And it's not about, like, we're going to go out and shoot an animal, harvest it, and then use it and eat it and show the hunting lifestyle.
01:44:12.000 No, it's like...
01:44:14.000 It's a murder fest. 0.99
01:44:15.000 Yeah, it's like pigs have a past because of what they are, you know, what they're doing. 0.97
01:44:19.000 Because they're causing probably billions of dollars in damage to crops and that. 0.74
01:44:23.000 So it's like pigs have been removed from the game animal category.
01:44:28.000 They're vermins. 1.00
01:44:28.000 It's like a coyote. 1.00
01:44:30.000 They're varmints, yeah.
01:44:31.000 But I will say, probably on those shows, I guarantee they have to.
01:44:34.000 That meat has to be used somewhere, taken and donated and processed.
01:44:38.000 They can't just leave them lay.
01:44:40.000 I don't think so, but when you're dealing with 450 of them, do they even have the resources to gather up all those pigs? 0.98
01:44:45.000 They better, because if they're shooting that many hogs and they're not doing anything with it, to me, that's bullcrap. 0.98
01:44:56.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:45:09.000 My opinion.
01:45:09.000 Yeah, well, I agree with you because it's a massive waste of great meat, too.
01:45:13.000 Wild pig is absolutely delicious.
01:45:15.000 It's really good for you.
01:45:16.000 It's completely different from domestic pig in the way it looks because these animals are eating all kinds of different natural things, roots and grasses, and they're not just eating grain.
01:45:26.000 It's not like a white meat.
01:45:28.000 That was the thing that they had this thing, pork, the other white meat.
01:45:31.000 You remember that campaign?
01:45:33.000 Have you ever seen a wild pig, folks? 0.75
01:45:35.000 It's not white. 0.88
01:45:36.000 It's not white at all. 1.00
01:45:37.000 It's fucking red. 0.99
01:45:38.000 I mean, it's not as red as a deer, but it's a dark meat. 0.99
01:45:41.000 Yeah.
01:45:41.000 It's because it's healthy.
01:45:43.000 We should invest in a barbecue house and just go in, put a barbecue house in Texas and then just go kill all the wild pigs and use that to get all your meat. 1.00
01:45:50.000 Well, that's what Pig Man does. 0.99
01:45:51.000 Is that what he does?
01:45:52.000 Yeah.
01:45:52.000 See, I saw that...
01:45:53.000 That show he had. 1.00
01:45:54.000 I was going to call it that stupid series on Discovery Channel. 1.00
01:45:57.000 Here I go again hacking on it. 1.00
01:45:59.000 Don't worry about it.
01:46:00.000 Say it.
01:46:00.000 Well, I saw this and it's like, you know, the whole concept behind it is cool, but it's just...
01:46:04.000 Well, it's a reality show.
01:46:05.000 They were doing that.
01:46:07.000 They were killing the hog and then going and providing it to this barbecue place. 0.57
01:46:10.000 He had his own barbecue place.
01:46:12.000 Yeah.
01:46:12.000 Which is a great idea.
01:46:13.000 Yeah.
01:46:14.000 But I don't think it's totally legal.
01:46:17.000 At least it might be in Texas.
01:46:18.000 You can't sell wild game.
01:46:19.000 Like, if I kill an elk, I can't sell it.
01:46:21.000 Yeah.
01:46:22.000 Which is a good thing.
01:46:24.000 Yeah.
01:46:24.000 Yeah.
01:46:24.000 But I can donate it.
01:46:26.000 And I tell you, the amount of traveling and hunting that I do, I donate a lot of meat, you know, in a lot of different places.
01:46:31.000 Yeah, I would imagine.
01:46:32.000 A lot of hunters do.
01:46:32.000 Yeah.
01:46:33.000 Yes.
01:46:34.000 But don't you think that wild pigs, if they became a revenue source like that, if they had a restaurant, if they have an animal that is so completely overpopulated and overrun that they don't have any tag limits, which pigs are at right now. 0.99
01:46:47.000 You could just go and shoot fucking pigs all day long and they'll be happy for you. 0.97
01:46:51.000 Including California, which is like one of the most liberal states ever, which has all sorts of crazy regulations on animals that need to be culled and aren't. 0.99
01:46:59.000 Like, there's real issues here with mountain lions, and there's a real issue with people that don't want people to hunt mountain lions, and they don't understand how ridiculously overpopulated these fucking things are getting, and these poor people that are running farms have to deal with these animals coming in and just decimating the population of their calves,
01:47:20.000 You know, the game animals, like the people that will tell you about when mountain lion hunting was legal in comparison now, and then the deer population levels, there's no comparison.
01:47:30.000 Right. 0.98
01:47:30.000 I mean, they're fucking everywhere, man. 0.98
01:47:32.000 At Tohone Ranch, where I've been pig hunting before, the guy who was our guide told us that he has a trail camera set up over this water hole, and he got 16 different mountain lions on camera. 1.00
01:47:44.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.89
01:47:45.000 Yeah, do you know how many deer mountain lions are going to eat in a week? 1.00
01:47:48.000 Yeah.
01:47:48.000 Yeah.
01:47:49.000 Like one every couple days.
01:47:50.000 It's unbelievable how many mountain lions they have.
01:47:54.000 And it's because you can't hunt them.
01:47:56.000 And that is...
01:47:57.000 When you have a predator that can't...
01:47:59.000 You can't...
01:48:00.000 If we're going to be the stewards of the land, which is what most people...
01:48:04.000 If you're going to accept that we have regulations on game, we have regulations on fish that you can pull for the ocean, we're supposed to be managing...
01:48:14.000 The population of these animals in a smart, intelligent way, and that's good conservation.
01:48:19.000 But when you remove some animals from that management simply because of public opinion, non-informed public opinion of people who are animal lovers, that's ridiculous.
01:48:30.000 You can't do that.
01:48:31.000 That's contrary to the very nature of conservation in the first place.
01:48:35.000 Conservation isn't simply, oh, we need to preserve the habitat and give these animals food and make sure their water's not polluted.
01:48:43.000 Sure, that's most certainly a part of it.
01:48:45.000 And for people who don't know, hunters have been responsible for way more money that goes to conserving wildlife habitat, conserving wetlands, than any other group by far.
01:48:56.000 It's not even close.
01:48:58.000 No tree hugger conservation group has come close They're generating the amount of money that has gone into conservation as hunters have. 0.99
01:49:07.000 But because you're controlling populations of deer, controlling populations of elk, pigs, all that's good, but you've got to control fucking predators too. 0.84
01:49:15.000 And they're realizing that now in a lot of these states where they reintroduce wolves. 0.98
01:49:19.000 And people are fighting against people hunting wolves. 0.98
01:49:22.000 Like, you better fucking go online and research those giant super packs of wolves in Siberia that storm a farm and kill a hundred horses and no one can do a goddamn thing about it because you've got a thousand wolves. 0.98
01:49:36.000 Can you imagine being in a fucking farm and you're looking out the window and you see a pack of wolves just tearing apart horses and no one can do anything about it? 0.99
01:49:46.000 Well, that's what happens when shit gets out of line. 1.00
01:49:48.000 And that's the way wolves work, too. 0.99
01:49:50.000 They'll generate those super packs. 0.99
01:49:52.000 There's a great story from World War I where the Russians and the Germans had a ceasefire.
01:49:57.000 They were in the woods in Russia.
01:49:59.000 They had a ceasefire because so many of them were getting killed by wolves.
01:50:03.000 No way.
01:50:03.000 They would send out these packs.
01:50:05.000 They would send out, rather, these parties, like search parties at two...
01:50:26.000 Let's stop talking about wolves. 1.00
01:50:28.000 Wolves are fucking scary. 0.99
01:50:30.000 Dude, talking to a guy that spends a lot of time in the wild alone... 1.00
01:50:33.000 Tell me.
01:50:33.000 Next week, I will be camping where there's a lot of wolves by myself.
01:50:38.000 Where are you going?
01:50:39.000 I'm not afraid of bears as much or mountain lions or anything.
01:50:42.000 Wolves scare the crap out of me.
01:50:43.000 You know, wolves and lightning.
01:50:44.000 I don't know what it is.
01:50:45.000 What is it about wolves?
01:50:46.000 Wolves because there's so much unknown about...
01:50:49.000 There's so much unknown about modern wolves.
01:50:51.000 We know about wolves of history, old...
01:50:55.000 And in times like that, when there were super packs and all that, well, they're just now being reintroduced and there's a whole new generation, my generation included, that we don't know and understand wolves and how they hunt and how they are evolving.
01:51:09.000 And so to me, there's just so much eerie about them, so much unproven.
01:51:14.000 I could be that first guy that does get attacked and killed by a wolf that's there because there's more people now too.
01:51:23.000 So there's more of a chance of a wolf being conditioned to people or public than there ever has been before.
01:51:29.000 So I think that it's a different animal today than it was 100 years ago or 200 years ago.
01:51:35.000 And the thought...
01:51:36.000 Of me or a hunter somewhere in there, you get a pack that's just in the wrong mentality that maybe hasn't been hunted that much or hasn't been pressured that much because you're way back in the wilderness.
01:51:46.000 They may be a little bit more aggressive than what you would like.
01:51:49.000 So they just kind of creep me out a little bit.
01:51:51.000 They should creep you out.
01:51:52.000 In the 1400s, there's a story called The Wolves of Paris.
01:51:56.000 Have you ever heard that story?
01:51:57.000 No, I haven't.
01:51:59.000 Wolves killed 40 people in Paris.
01:52:02.000 To the point where people had to...
01:52:04.000 Oh, that's right.
01:52:04.000 In the city itself, yeah.
01:52:06.000 In the city of Paris, they had killed 40 people.
01:52:08.000 And there was a man-eaten wolf pack in 1450. And the animals entered the city during the winter through breaches in its walls.
01:52:18.000 This is so crazy.
01:52:19.000 And this one, they had eventually cornered the wolves, and they were killing them with stones and spears in front of the Notre Dame Cathedral. 0.99
01:52:29.000 That's a fucking crazy story. 0.98
01:52:31.000 That's like taking coyotes of today, because there's coyotes roaming around here probably, and turning them into wolves. 1.00
01:52:37.000 If that's a wolf in that environment, that's crazy.
01:52:40.000 Yeah, well even scarier because they're obviously a lot bigger and creepier, but people throughout history have had real issues with wolves.
01:52:48.000 But today we associate wolves with being dogs.
01:52:52.000 We think of them as dogs. 1.00
01:52:53.000 Like anybody would hunt a wolf as an asshole. 1.00
01:52:55.000 What do you think the Little Red Riding Hood story, why was that about a wolf? 1.00
01:52:58.000 Why was that about a wolf?
01:52:59.000 Why is it the big bad wolf? 0.66
01:53:00.000 Why is it the three little pigs and the big bad wolf? 1.00
01:53:03.000 Because wolves were a fucking issue. 0.99
01:53:05.000 You'd go into the woods and the thing you'd be worried about was wolves. 1.00
01:53:09.000 Yeah.
01:53:09.000 Do you want your kid not to be able to walk to school because there's wolf roaming the area or whatever?
01:53:14.000 It's like, I don't know.
01:53:16.000 But people don't want people hunting wolves.
01:53:18.000 It's one of the biggest blowbacks.
01:53:19.000 Well, it goes back to what you just said earlier, and it's not exactly the same thing, but you're like, you don't care what lifestyle people lead as long as it doesn't affect you.
01:53:27.000 Same concept here.
01:53:28.000 People don't give a crap about other stuff as long as it doesn't affect them. 0.69
01:53:31.000 So it's like we all fall into it a little bit. 0.98
01:53:34.000 We can be hypocritical and say, I don't like this and I don't like this and this because that's going to affect me, but if they want to go out and do this, that's fine.
01:53:43.000 I don't care.
01:53:44.000 So they look at it as...
01:53:47.000 Well, I guess I don't know where I'm going.
01:53:48.000 I just kind of lost that to you.
01:53:50.000 No, but you're right.
01:53:52.000 The people that don't interact with those wolves.
01:53:55.000 Yeah, don't kill wolves because the wolves don't hurt me.
01:53:57.000 The wolves don't bother my kids walking to school, so don't kill the wolves.
01:54:00.000 Yeah, but my kid might get pounced on by a mountain lion because we live in the rural countryside.
01:54:05.000 Well, not only that, you have to keep their populations down for the health of all the other animals that are around them as well.
01:54:10.000 Yeah.
01:54:11.000 They can start decimating wildlife populations.
01:54:13.000 They've done that with elk.
01:54:14.000 They've done that with deer in the areas where they've been reintroduced.
01:54:17.000 The numbers of elk have drastically received.
01:54:19.000 Dude, I'm from Idaho, man.
01:54:20.000 I know that full on.
01:54:23.000 The valley where I grew up, I mean, in the late 90s, early 2000s, I mean, elk.
01:54:27.000 It was elk hunting heaven.
01:54:28.000 There was elk coming down and eating out of our cattle feeder, you know, right at the back of mom and dad's house.
01:54:33.000 Wow.
01:54:33.000 You know, there was elk everywhere.
01:54:35.000 And the hunting was awesome.
01:54:37.000 And they weren't bothering the crops or anything.
01:54:39.000 Well, then the wolves come in.
01:54:41.000 Can you imagine, can you picture a herd of elk, you know, and all of a sudden there's, oh, there's a real big dog over there.
01:54:46.000 Oh, that's a big coyote.
01:54:48.000 The coyote starts picking them off and it takes them quite a while before they learn and condition themselves that, hey, that's not a coyote.
01:54:54.000 That's something different.
01:54:55.000 So those herds were just standing, they were just, it was like a turkey shoot.
01:54:59.000 They had never been around wolves.
01:55:01.000 No, they'd experienced mountain lions, coyotes, and bears, which don't hunt like wolves do.
01:55:06.000 They don't hunt in packs. 0.99
01:55:07.000 So a pack of wolves comes in, they think, there's those damn coyotes again. 0.99
01:55:10.000 Whoa, where'd Jimmy go? 0.99
01:55:12.000 What's going on here?
01:55:13.000 And the next thing you know, it takes them years to condition themselves to where now elk hunting today is different than it was 15 years ago.
01:55:20.000 Because the elk act differently.
01:55:21.000 I mean, there's certain instances where it's similar, but they're a different animal to hunt today than they were 20 years ago.
01:55:27.000 Have you ever been hunting in any way and had a kill and had to keep a predator off the kill?
01:55:34.000 Yeah, so I was hunting deer, white-tailed deer, actually, in northern Idaho with a bow.
01:55:39.000 This was in like 2008, 2009, something like that.
01:55:42.000 And I was filming the hunt, you know, this was before I started the TV show, but at that time I already had the concept of solo hunter in mind, so I'm filming everything.
01:55:50.000 And it just, the light gets dark, and so I go to take the camera off the arm that I had, and I flip the switch, and the camera went down the bottom of the tree, crushed.
01:55:59.000 So I was like, crap!
01:56:00.000 Well, then a deer comes out. 0.96
01:56:02.000 I'm like, well, I'm going home tomorrow anyway, so I grab my bow, thump the deer, and I'm sitting there, and the deer kind of goes over and starts to do the wobble thing.
01:56:10.000 Well, next thing you know, a bear pulls up, a black bear comes up and takes the deer down and immediately pulls it over this hillside.
01:56:16.000 And I'm like, that was pretty dang cool. 0.89
01:56:18.000 I was more mad at myself than awestruck because I was like, I dropped my damn camera out of the tree and I could have filmed that, but... 0.95
01:56:26.000 So I was more like just upset. 0.97
01:56:28.000 So I thought, no big deal.
01:56:29.000 I'll just climb down, go down, spook the bear off, get my deer, go home.
01:56:33.000 No big deal.
01:56:34.000 So I go and I'm trailing this deer and all I've got is my flashlight in one hand and my bow in the other.
01:56:38.000 And I can hear the bear sliding it down the hillside.
01:56:42.000 And it's a pretty steep grade and I'm like, bear, making noise, doing whatever.
01:56:45.000 Because I'd have experiences with bears and it wasn't that big of a deal.
01:56:49.000 But then everything got quiet.
01:56:51.000 And then I was like...
01:56:52.000 And where I screwed up was I picked up the phone and called my wife.
01:56:55.000 Hey, babe, I'm trailing a deer.
01:56:56.000 I'll be home tomorrow.
01:56:57.000 What's going on?
01:56:58.000 I'm like, oh, this bear took it. 1.00
01:56:59.000 And I was like, oh, stupid. 1.00
01:57:00.000 Why would you say that? 1.00
01:57:02.000 Because then from then on, I was like, ah!
01:57:04.000 And so from then on, my wife's been freaked out about bears.
01:57:07.000 So I'll finish the story.
01:57:09.000 So I'm trailing.
01:57:10.000 All of a sudden, things get super quiet.
01:57:12.000 I'm like, oh.
01:57:13.000 Good.
01:57:13.000 The bear just kind of ran off.
01:57:14.000 I'm going to go find my deer.
01:57:15.000 And I stood up on this stump.
01:57:18.000 It was kind of a logged area.
01:57:19.000 I stood up on this stump, and I'm looking around with this flashlight, just kind of panning around, looking for the deer.
01:57:24.000 And all of a sudden, I heard just kind of a noise.
01:57:26.000 I went...
01:57:27.000 Right at the base of that stump, that bear was on top of that deer.
01:57:31.000 And he's just like...
01:57:31.000 He just hoofed one time.
01:57:34.000 How far away from you?
01:57:35.000 Oh, four or five feet.
01:57:36.000 Six feet?
01:57:37.000 I don't know.
01:57:38.000 I mean, it was close.
01:57:38.000 I mean, I'm standing on the stump, and he's on this side, on top of the deer.
01:57:43.000 So I just kind of jumped back and went back up.
01:57:45.000 I'm like, what was I thinking?
01:57:46.000 Going after a bear that just took down a deer that thinks that's a deer he just took down, so he's going to be like...
01:57:52.000 Defending it.
01:57:53.000 Defending it. 1.00
01:57:53.000 And I was like, you stupid fool. 1.00
01:57:56.000 You could have just... 1.00
01:57:56.000 It could have been over right there. 1.00
01:57:58.000 Right.
01:57:59.000 So the next morning I go in, no big deal, daylight, the bear doesn't have, you know, he doesn't have bigger cojones during the day, I guess, but he just ran off, I grabbed the deer.
01:58:07.000 I have that on film, actually, if you look at the first Solo Hunter episode, it's episode 101. It's got that where I kill a deer, but then I do a flashback of the year before when I was filming that hunt, and I've got my little handy cam that I filmed.
01:58:21.000 You can see all the scratches all over the deer, and you can see where the bear had eaten it out from the hind end and all that kind of stuff.
01:58:27.000 How much of the bear...
01:58:28.000 How much did the deer eat?
01:58:29.000 He had only eaten part of the hindquarters.
01:58:31.000 They always go in through the butthole and through the soft tissue, but you could see where he had scratched it up and where he had drug it down and just ate part of the hindquarters.
01:58:39.000 But for the most part, the deer was fine, salvageable, so I just cut him up and took him home.
01:58:44.000 So when you have an animal like that, that another animal has eaten part of it, do you worry about it being contaminated anyway?
01:58:49.000 Is there any concern?
01:58:50.000 I didn't even think about it there.
01:58:52.000 I mean, obviously you're cooking it above a certain temperature anyway, but I didn't even think about that.
01:58:56.000 I don't even know, honestly, if that could have been an issue, you know, with a bear eating the meat.
01:59:04.000 I don't know.
01:59:05.000 Anybody out there know if I could have gotten sick?
01:59:08.000 Maybe that's why I have troubles getting out of bed.
01:59:11.000 Something's wrong with my eyeballs.
01:59:12.000 Do you cut out around the airway?
01:59:15.000 Yeah, I cut out.
01:59:17.000 You know, it's just...
01:59:19.000 I don't know.
01:59:20.000 I didn't even think about that.
01:59:21.000 The rivets that I told you about, the guys up in northern Canada, they shot a bear and it was getting dark and so they went back in the morning to recover it and another larger bear was eating it while they got there and they're like, oh great.
01:59:34.000 That's crazy.
01:59:34.000 That's a real issue up there.
01:59:36.000 Cannibalism.
01:59:37.000 Cannibalism is...
01:59:39.000 Standard.
01:59:40.000 It's just going to get worse.
01:59:42.000 As the numbers increase, it can only get worse, can't it?
01:59:45.000 Until they get disease and have a die-off.
01:59:48.000 Because nature has kind of a way of taking care of itself.
01:59:50.000 Before man came along anyway, there was how many millions of buffalo roaming the countryside?
01:59:55.000 And I'm sure there were areas where I think?
02:00:15.000 Well, that's nothing in evolution of animals or in how a herd or certain species might evolve in an area.
02:00:25.000 An elk herd could grow up to a certain number, and then it could have a die-off because of sickness.
02:00:29.000 They could grow again.
02:00:29.000 Well, that might take 100 years for that process.
02:00:32.000 So for us to actually see that population curve.
02:00:36.000 But then that's when you start talking about introducing the wolves.
02:00:38.000 That population curve takes a big dive quick.
02:00:41.000 But, you know...
02:00:42.000 What was the logic behind reintroducing wolves?
02:00:45.000 Bureaucracy, I guess.
02:00:46.000 I don't know.
02:00:47.000 Because wolves are cute and cuddly and they want them in Yellowstone because it's a park.
02:00:50.000 But, oh, there's no fences around Yellowstone?
02:00:53.000 I didn't know that.
02:00:53.000 Did you know that?
02:00:54.000 There's no fences around Yellowstone?
02:00:56.000 I mean, grizzly's the next thing.
02:00:58.000 We got grizzlies in Idaho that are starting to cause issues.
02:01:01.000 And, you know, there's all kinds of instances in Montana that grizzly's the next animal to start causing issues, I believe, just because...
02:01:09.000 For some reason now it seems like nature is at its prime for bear populations to grow.
02:01:17.000 You look at bear numbers, hog numbers, all these populations of animals' numbers continue to steadily grow massively.
02:01:24.000 And I think that's just the natural curve of where we're at.
02:01:28.000 That if we weren't involved in managing it or anything, it had hit that precipice where diseases and cannibalism and all these things would take over and nature would curve itself back down to get sustainable numbers.
02:01:38.000 Or they would just eat themselves out of home.
02:01:41.000 When you stumbled upon that bear and that bear was like four feet away from you with the deer, did you just back out of there?
02:01:46.000 I just backed away.
02:01:47.000 Yeah, I was just like, whoa.
02:01:48.000 Went back up and then slept in my truck that night and then the next morning I just kind of went around and brought in my gun and...
02:01:55.000 Just a couple shots on the hillside, the bear runs off, you get the deer.
02:01:58.000 Did you ever watch that show, The Hunt?
02:02:01.000 I did.
02:02:01.000 I watched one or two episodes of it.
02:02:04.000 And my problem is, as I look at it, I'm ruined because as a producer, I watch everything as a producer rather than as a viewer.
02:02:10.000 And so it kind of...
02:02:11.000 I hate that because I can't ever watch something and get true entertainment out of it, or true value out of it.
02:02:16.000 Well, yeah, I know what you mean.
02:02:17.000 But it was badly produced, in my opinion.
02:02:20.000 I agree.
02:02:21.000 I felt like, first of all, they kept using this fake bear sound, the same sound, over and over again.
02:02:27.000 They would interject it, and you knew that they were interjecting it, because all of a sudden there would be a shaky camera.
02:02:33.000 Why is a bear going to be growling and roaring? 0.99
02:02:35.000 A bear's going to be damn silent until he's ready to kill you. 0.64
02:02:38.000 And they would do it over and over again right before they cut to commercial. 0.93
02:02:41.000 So to get you to tune in.
02:02:44.000 Look, the camera's shaking.
02:02:46.000 But you know what?
02:02:47.000 I guarantee everybody watching that's like, oh, bears make noise in the wild.
02:02:51.000 And that's the problem with shows like that that they're putting on the mainstream.
02:02:54.000 There was one called Chasing Tails on there for a while on A&E or one of those.
02:02:59.000 Where it's like everybody associates hunters as flannel-wearing, overweight, middle-aged, bearded men.
02:03:06.000 You know?
02:03:06.000 And we're not.
02:03:07.000 We're businessmen.
02:03:08.000 We're regular people.
02:03:09.000 We're whatever.
02:03:09.000 You know, you.
02:03:10.000 There's all these types of people that are hunters, that are outdoorsmen.
02:03:14.000 But society sees us as bubba.
02:03:16.000 Well, in movies, too. 1.00
02:03:19.000 Wolverine movie, there were assholes that had poisoned the deer. 1.00
02:03:22.000 Hunters are assholes. 1.00
02:03:22.000 Did you know that? 1.00
02:03:23.000 I didn't know.
02:03:24.000 But drunks, they're usually drunk.
02:03:27.000 And that's because it's the same concept as Disney portrayed animals as people.
02:03:32.000 So we think of animals as people.
02:03:34.000 Well, Hollywood and whatever else portrays hunters as... 0.99
02:03:39.000 The dumbest, yeah, the most simple-minded... 0.99
02:03:43.000 When in reality, you look at the science and the management behind conservation and wildlife conservation, it's not stupid stuff. 1.00
02:03:53.000 No, it's not stupid stuff at all. 0.98
02:03:55.000 It's very calculated. 1.00
02:03:56.000 Stupid stuff is contraceptives for deer. 1.00
02:03:57.000 That's stupid stuff. 1.00
02:03:58.000 Yeah, that's birth control for deer that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars when deer are delicious. 1.00
02:04:04.000 So they're running around.
02:04:05.000 Instead of just having hunters come in and shoot them with bows and arrows or crossbows, whatever, you could control the population like that.
02:04:12.000 It would only take a couple of weekends.
02:04:14.000 And they could do big numbers and get a lot of meat out of it.
02:04:18.000 But instead, they're going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and give them birth control. 1.00
02:04:22.000 What do you think is the answer for people?
02:04:24.000 I mean, what is it going to take for...
02:04:27.000 If you've ever convinced somebody that hunting is okay, what's the answer?
02:04:31.000 What's the main thing?
02:04:32.000 How can we educate people to where it's like, you know, hunting is not what you've been taught or what you think it is or what certain people say it is?
02:04:41.000 Well, I try to do it.
02:04:42.000 Well, I'm not trying to educate people, but in discussing it and people listening to these discussions, they kind of get a more nuanced, balanced perspective.
02:04:51.000 Right.
02:04:52.000 I know for a fact that there's a lot of people that post on my message board that have talked about how they had one opinion of hunting before the podcast and a completely different opinion of it now.
02:05:01.000 And they also never factored in the hypocrisy of wearing leather, having a leather couch, leather seats in your car, leather jacket, and then complaining about hunting.
02:05:12.000 We're disconnected, and that disconnection has led us to be like spoiled little kids.
02:05:17.000 We don't understand where all this is coming from.
02:05:19.000 We don't have a direct interaction with the food itself.
02:05:23.000 And when you do have a direct interaction with the food itself, when you've killed the animal yourself, the whole process is a completely different thing.
02:05:30.000 I'm eating an animal that I... I stocked, shot, butchered, sliced up, put into packages, vacuum sealed it, put it in my freezer, thawed it out, cooked it, ate it.
02:05:42.000 From A to Z, it's been in my hands.
02:05:45.000 And that's a completely different experience than 99% of anyone who eats meat is ever going to have.
02:05:51.000 And I encourage people, I think if you could do it, if you have the time, I think a lot of people don't know where to start.
02:05:57.000 That's one thing.
02:05:58.000 Yeah.
02:05:58.000 They don't...
02:05:59.000 Yeah, I've got some friends right now.
02:06:01.000 There's three of them that are just starting out hunting.
02:06:03.000 Last year, they killed their first deer.
02:06:08.000 It's interesting to see their evolution because they're searching YouTube for everything.
02:06:12.000 They're like, well, how would you do this?
02:06:13.000 How would you do that?
02:06:14.000 And I'm like...
02:06:15.000 I don't know.
02:06:15.000 I just do it.
02:06:16.000 They're like, well, they had to search on YouTube to find out how to gut a deer.
02:06:19.000 And so they have this little video clip of them gutting this deer and trying to take it all apart.
02:06:23.000 It's the funniest thing, but it's like, oh, these are grown men figuring it out on their own.
02:06:27.000 There's nobody out there to teach them.
02:06:28.000 There's no schools that are just like, hey, you want to be a hunter?
02:06:31.000 Come to my school.
02:06:31.000 You know, pay tuition, do this.
02:06:33.000 And it's like, if you want to learn, it's got to be hands-on.
02:06:36.000 You've got to have a mentor.
02:06:37.000 Because I get emails like that all the time.
02:06:39.000 How do I get started?
02:06:40.000 I live in Arizona and I hunt these mountain ranges.
02:06:44.000 How do I find the deer?
02:06:45.000 Because I spend countless hours trying to find deer.
02:06:48.000 How would you hunt this area?
02:06:49.000 I don't know.
02:06:50.000 I don't live there.
02:06:51.000 There's a lot of information they're asking for, too.
02:06:54.000 You'd have to go there.
02:06:55.000 You'd have to tell them.
02:06:56.000 How much do you know?
02:06:57.000 You'd have to explain to them what deer habitat is, where they nest, where they bed, rather.
02:07:04.000 It's interesting, but there's a comparison to be made for you learning how to use...
02:07:10.000 Computer software to edit video.
02:07:12.000 You just taught yourself.
02:07:14.000 If you want to do it, you just got to kind of figure it out and teach yourself.
02:07:17.000 And the cool thing about today is you can watch those YouTube videos.
02:07:22.000 I mean, back in the day, what would you have done?
02:07:24.000 You've gotten a book or something and tried to, like, look at the diagrams.
02:07:27.000 Do what I did.
02:07:28.000 You start cutting them. 0.99
02:07:29.000 Bloody hands and...
02:07:30.000 Yeah.
02:07:30.000 Start cutting, stuff comes out.
02:07:32.000 You can fuck things up like that.
02:07:33.000 Just start cutting, right? 0.89
02:07:34.000 Yeah.
02:07:35.000 Mess yourself up. 1.00
02:07:36.000 And you get the tarsal glands all over the meat and smell like shit. 0.99
02:07:41.000 There's a lot of people that ruin meat because they don't understand the proper preparation and how to take care of it once they actually kill an animal. 0.98
02:07:49.000 Yeah, there's a lot to it.
02:07:51.000 And I think talking about it is real good.
02:07:55.000 I think it's important to have guys like you on and Rinella and Cameron Haynes and Jim Shockey when he comes on.
02:08:01.000 So people get an understanding of who these people are that actually are hunters.
02:08:05.000 That they're not those flannel shirt-wearing yokels that you see in these really cartoonish and character...
02:08:12.000 You know, caricature.
02:08:15.000 Caricature?
02:08:15.000 What's the word?
02:08:16.000 Caricature.
02:08:17.000 Caricature?
02:08:17.000 Caricature.
02:08:18.000 Why am I saying turature? 0.62
02:08:20.000 Caricature.
02:08:21.000 The caricatures of hunters. 1.00
02:08:22.000 These cartoonish shitheads. 0.99
02:08:25.000 I think... 0.99
02:08:25.000 Yeah, I think you're smart by having somebody like Shockey because he's at a different... 0.99
02:08:30.000 He's a different person than me or Steve or Remy or Cameron.
02:08:34.000 We're different than what he is.
02:08:36.000 He's something special in that even if you took that man outside of the hunting industry and put him into something else, if he was an oil man or say if he was a cattle man or whatever, he's got a personality about him and a philosophical way of speaking and knowledge about him that he's going to educate people just based off of what he knows and how he's going to say something. 0.98
02:08:56.000 He and I could say the exact same things, but the way he says it, you're going to be like, damn. 0.98
02:09:00.000 I get that. 1.00
02:09:01.000 The way I say it, you're going to be like, this guy's a fool. 1.00
02:09:03.000 Tim, you're a little hard on yourself. 0.99
02:09:05.000 Well, I'm trying to build up Shockey here. 0.99
02:09:07.000 I mean, I know the guy needs every bit of it he can get, right?
02:09:09.000 The guy's like, man, we got it all.
02:09:11.000 I was like, no.
02:09:12.000 What I'm saying is I'm glad you're having him and it's definitely a podcast I'm going to be tuning into because I like his philosophy behind not only hunting but life and also behind family and everything else.
02:09:24.000 Yeah, I do as well.
02:09:25.000 I think he's a great person for that and I think that's the type of person that, for broad society, is your spokesperson.
02:09:36.000 Well, I think Rinella is a great one as well because he's so well-read.
02:09:39.000 He's a great writer.
02:09:41.000 Super educated.
02:09:42.000 Super educated and a guy who really, truly cares about environments, really, truly cares about hunting, really, truly cares about conservation. 0.98
02:09:50.000 And he's a guy that's in fucking fantastic shape.
02:09:52.000 I mean, I went hunting with him, and the one thing that I was blown away with is how physically demanding hunting is. 1.00
02:09:59.000 Like, hiking, I looked at hiking, and I'm like, that's where fucking people don't really work out, a bunch of pussies. 1.00
02:10:04.000 It's just walking, but uphill. 0.99
02:10:05.000 It's fucking hard, man, especially when you're holding a rifle so you're not swinging your arms. 0.97
02:10:10.000 You've got to pack on. 0.99
02:10:11.000 Like, you get exhausted quick.
02:10:13.000 Did you have to pack your deer out, or was it, like, in an area where you didn't have to break it down and put it in your pack?
02:10:18.000 What do you mean?
02:10:19.000 Your deer when you hunted in Montana?
02:10:21.000 Did you have to break it down and pack it out on your back?
02:10:23.000 Yeah.
02:10:23.000 Well, there's three of us.
02:10:25.000 It was me, Callan, and Rinella, my friend Brian Callan.
02:10:28.000 So when we went to get my deer, we shot it that night, gutted it, took the liver and the heart, cooked that that night, and then put it up in a tree.
02:10:37.000 We hung it up in a juniper tree.
02:10:38.000 So we went there to get it in the morning because it was kind of late. 0.90
02:10:42.000 And we've seen some mountain lion shit in the area. 0.93
02:10:44.000 It was kind of disconcerting. 0.98
02:10:45.000 Nice. 1.00
02:10:46.000 Big ropey shit filled with hair. 0.99
02:10:48.000 Yeah, but the mountain lions have been hunted in that area, so they probably wouldn't even come close to you. 0.99
02:10:51.000 Oh, yeah?
02:10:52.000 Yeah.
02:10:52.000 Yeah, good.
02:10:54.000 I don't like those fucking things. 0.99
02:10:56.000 I've seen two mountain lions in my life. 1.00
02:10:57.000 Have you really?
02:10:58.000 Do you have...
02:10:59.000 Well, you're in California, I guess.
02:11:00.000 No, never shot one.
02:11:01.000 I lived in Colorado.
02:11:03.000 Yeah, you did.
02:11:03.000 I saw the picture on social media.
02:11:06.000 Come on, man. 0.99
02:11:07.000 I killed it with a belt. 0.99
02:11:10.000 That's what I heard. 1.00
02:11:11.000 So silly. 0.99
02:11:11.000 I heard you took your gi off and strangled it. 0.99
02:11:13.000 My own sister asked me if I killed a mountain lion.
02:11:16.000 Really? 1.00
02:11:16.000 I'm like, what the fuck do you think? 1.00
02:11:18.000 Kill a mountain lion with a belt? 1.00
02:11:19.000 You kidding me? 1.00
02:11:20.000 Kill a house cat with a belt. 1.00
02:11:21.000 Try to get a house cat, hold on to that fucker, and kill it with a belt. 1.00
02:11:25.000 That thing will scratch your eyes out. 1.00
02:11:27.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:11:28.000 It's a 150-pound house cat. 1.00
02:11:30.000 Are you fucking crazy? 1.00
02:11:31.000 I've seen two. 1.00
02:11:32.000 I saw one in Colorado, really briefly.
02:11:36.000 Both of them have been about the same size, like 60, 70 pounds, like dog size.
02:11:40.000 And the other one I saw in Montecito, which is like a residential area in Santa Barbara.
02:11:45.000 I was driving down the street.
02:11:46.000 We saw this thing run across the street.
02:11:48.000 And at first we thought it was a coyote.
02:11:49.000 Then I saw the tail.
02:11:50.000 His tail's like bobbing around. 0.99
02:11:52.000 I'm like, oh shit, that's a cat! 0.99
02:11:54.000 And it had more of a bouncy way. 1.00
02:11:57.000 Coyotes have that sort of stiff, fucking creepy, shitty way of running. 0.99
02:12:02.000 You ever seen a coyote sleep? 1.00
02:12:04.000 No.
02:12:04.000 That's because they don't.
02:12:06.000 They're too used to getting shot at and chased down.
02:12:09.000 Can you imagine being a coyote?
02:12:10.000 That's like the worst life ever. 0.88
02:12:12.000 It's a sucky life, other than like a rabbit. 0.98
02:12:16.000 I'd rather be a rabbit than a coyote. 0.91
02:12:18.000 For real?
02:12:18.000 Because people have rabbits for pets.
02:12:20.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:12:23.000 Yeah, they're dirty. 1.00
02:12:24.000 They're stinky fucking little animals. 1.00
02:12:26.000 I got a coyote cushion at home, like a pillow that's covered in coyote skin. 1.00
02:12:30.000 It's gross.
02:12:31.000 It's like sleeping on a dog.
02:12:31.000 So why do you have it?
02:12:32.000 My wife bought it.
02:12:33.000 It's not mine.
02:12:34.000 She's like, I like coyotes. 1.00
02:12:35.000 Well, she ordered a couple different kinds of animal skins that were converted into pillows.
02:12:40.000 She hates coyotes, so for whatever reason, she got a coyote one.
02:12:44.000 She's like, babe, I brought home this animal skin couch. 1.00
02:12:48.000 That's a sheep, babe.
02:12:49.000 Yeah.
02:12:51.000 We have chickens.
02:12:52.000 We have 24 chickens.
02:12:53.000 So we have this fencing area where the coyotes are trying to figure out how to get to the chickens.
02:12:58.000 So we'll find them near our backyard all the time.
02:13:01.000 And she loves these chickens.
02:13:02.000 She takes care of them.
02:13:03.000 So she particularly hates coyotes.
02:13:05.000 They're always trying to figure out a way to sneak in.
02:13:08.000 You know, they've killed dogs in our neighborhood before.
02:13:12.000 We're good to go.
02:13:32.000 That's a hungry dog.
02:13:33.000 That's a hungry coyote. 0.79
02:13:34.000 Oh, yeah.
02:13:34.000 It was running away with her dog.
02:13:37.000 Like, the dog was just trying to...
02:13:38.000 And she's screaming, and the leash is being dragged behind, and it's just running with her dog. 0.98
02:13:43.000 Oh, that's sad.
02:13:44.000 Yeah, sad and weird.
02:13:46.000 It's weird that there's...
02:13:47.000 Those creepy predators are wandering around, and it just decided to bust a move.
02:13:52.000 Like, this is the time.
02:13:53.000 Yeah, I got bit by a coyote.
02:13:56.000 Did you really?
02:13:56.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:13:57.000 I was, I don't know. 0.99
02:13:59.000 Trying to fuck it. 1.00
02:14:01.000 No, 11th grade. 1.00
02:14:02.000 11th grade.
02:14:03.000 Whoa.
02:14:04.000 Yeah, it was a long time ago, but I was doing the dishes and look outside.
02:14:07.000 It was about 5 o'clock in the afternoon.
02:14:09.000 And I'm looking.
02:14:10.000 We lived in a trailer park.
02:14:12.000 So the trailer next door, there's a coyote underneath.
02:14:15.000 They're just batting around, playing around with some toys and all kinds of balls and stuff.
02:14:20.000 So I get out, and I had a.22.
02:14:22.000 I go around the back side, and I see him, and he jumped up at the clothes on the clothesline, and I rifled like two or three at him, and I missed.
02:14:30.000 He ran straight into the woods.
02:14:32.000 I went back in.
02:14:33.000 I had a freaking rabbit call.
02:14:35.000 Like a distress call. 0.85
02:14:37.000 Whoa.
02:14:37.000 Yeah, I shot back probably 200 yards.
02:14:40.000 I got up against a tree and I started blowing that freaking thing. 0.98
02:14:43.000 And sure as shit, that thing came running right at me and he backed me up against the tree and I lift my foot up. 0.99
02:14:49.000 And he latched right onto my boot. 0.99
02:14:51.000 And I shot him point blank and I emptied out the whole entire clip.
02:14:54.000 Whoa.
02:14:55.000 Yeah.
02:14:56.000 And the thing smelled like skunk really bad.
02:14:59.000 Smelt like a coyote.
02:15:00.000 But yeah, there's a lot of hair missing off of it.
02:15:04.000 But it was weird because that week before, I had two little dachshunds in the family.
02:15:09.000 And we used to let them outside, no leash. 0.99
02:15:12.000 They'd go take a shit, come back. 0.99
02:15:13.000 Only one came back. 1.00
02:15:15.000 And we think that maybe, you know, he may have took him.
02:15:19.000 Yeah, most likely, right?
02:15:20.000 Yeah, we We never got it back.
02:15:21.000 Last week in Silicon Valley, a mountain lion viciously mauled a six-year-old boy.
02:15:26.000 Some kid was hiking with his parents, and the kid was behind them, and a mountain lion came up behind and attacked the kid. 0.99
02:15:34.000 The parents yelled at it and screamed and chased after the mountain lion and just tried to hit it, and it dropped the kid and ran off, but the kid got fucked up. 0.97
02:15:42.000 Yeah, I heard that. 0.94
02:15:42.000 They scared it away, so then they set hunters loose on this cat and dogs and everything like that. 0.94
02:15:51.000 This is another issue that they have with mountain lions in California because they're not hunting them.
02:15:57.000 That's crazy.
02:15:58.000 Yeah, it is crazy.
02:15:59.000 And it's crazy how people have this idea that there are these beautiful things.
02:16:02.000 And they are beautiful.
02:16:03.000 They're interesting.
02:16:05.000 They're fascinating. 1.00
02:16:06.000 But you've got to keep those fuckers in check. 1.00
02:16:09.000 And that's a real issue with people that don't understand wildlife. 1.00
02:16:15.000 They just have these liberal points of view that's based on no reasoning, no logic, not a balanced perspective, no real true understanding of wildlife.
02:16:24.000 Their understanding is just based on what they think is right, what they think is...
02:16:29.000 Leave them alone, these natural animals. 1.00
02:16:32.000 Yeah, and then you go hiking, and you're going to get eaten, you fuck. 1.00
02:16:36.000 Do you understand that? 1.00
02:16:37.000 They're big, giant monsters. 0.57
02:16:39.000 If those were werewolves... 1.00
02:16:41.000 You would be sending packs of fucking military people in the woods to try to kill the werewolf. 0.99
02:16:46.000 Well, a mountain lion's way fucking scarier than a werewolf, because it's not just a mountain lion one day out of the month. 1.00
02:16:51.000 Okay? 0.97
02:16:52.000 The wolfman turns into the wolfman when the full moon comes out.
02:16:55.000 Mountain lions wake up every morning a mountain lion.
02:16:57.000 I'm a mountain lion. 0.99
02:16:58.000 I'm gonna kill something. 1.00
02:16:59.000 And they kill big things with their face. 1.00
02:17:01.000 They're used to killing deer and elk and shit that runs really fast, and they kill it with their face. 0.99
02:17:06.000 And you're content with those things wandering around because they just look beautiful. 1.00
02:17:11.000 That's ridiculous.
02:17:12.000 I'm not saying that we should wipe them off the face of the earth, but we should come really close. 0.97
02:17:16.000 There should be like four left.
02:17:18.000 Yeah, four left.
02:17:19.000 All of them in Oklahoma.
02:17:21.000 With radio tags.
02:17:22.000 Yeah, leave them with Oklahoma with tags on. 0.99
02:17:24.000 We have a fucking group of scientists that are monitoring their progress on a screen. 0.99
02:17:30.000 Whenever they come anywhere near a person, send a drone in. 0.99
02:17:33.000 I think hunters would be glad to take the place of the mountain lions and keeping the population in check for sure.
02:17:38.000 Yes, yes.
02:17:39.000 And eat that meat.
02:17:41.000 And use it for people.
02:17:43.000 I'm on team people.
02:17:45.000 You know, I like people.
02:17:46.000 Team man?
02:17:46.000 Team human.
02:17:47.000 That's right.
02:17:48.000 I like people way better than other animals.
02:17:50.000 I think animals are amazing.
02:17:51.000 People are way better.
02:17:52.000 You can talk to them.
02:17:56.000 They make you laugh.
02:17:57.000 You hang out with them.
02:17:58.000 They're our species.
02:17:59.000 You breed with them.
02:18:00.000 They live in your neighborhood. 1.00
02:18:01.000 I mean, it's fucking ridiculous. 1.00
02:18:03.000 You can breed with animals. 1.00
02:18:04.000 You can't, though. 1.00
02:18:05.000 You can breed them, but even if you fuck them, nothing happens other than you get happy. 1.00
02:18:10.000 I promised my wife I'd keep everything straight. 1.00
02:18:12.000 Impossible.
02:18:13.000 On this show?
02:18:13.000 I know.
02:18:14.000 Did you promise her?
02:18:15.000 No, I didn't promise her.
02:18:16.000 I told Mark, Mark's like, I'm like, Mark, you know, when we get to talk and I have a tendency to dip a little bit, I'm like, you need to keep me on that level plane.
02:18:23.000 Don't let me go.
02:18:24.000 What does that mean?
02:18:24.000 Dip what?
02:18:26.000 I like good humor.
02:18:28.000 I like good humor.
02:18:29.000 Tim can get raw.
02:18:30.000 I can't get raw.
02:18:31.000 Are you worried about your perception, the perception of people?
02:18:35.000 No, no.
02:18:36.000 I'm not worried about my perception of people because people are going to think of you what they do.
02:18:41.000 Right.
02:18:41.000 But I worry about me.
02:18:43.000 I have a perception of myself that I like to maintain.
02:18:47.000 Right.
02:18:48.000 Which has been, and I believe, it is what it is.
02:18:52.000 When you meet me face-to-face, it's the exact same as when you meet me anywhere else.
02:18:56.000 Well, you're the same guy from that show.
02:18:58.000 You're the same guy from your show.
02:18:59.000 Yeah.
02:19:00.000 I think I'm more of a badass in real life than I am on the show, honestly.
02:19:03.000 Yeah.
02:19:05.000 I watched back of the editing, you know, like I'm combing through some of the footage that I just filmed last week.
02:19:09.000 I'm like, man, I got my guts hanging over my belt.
02:19:12.000 And I'm like, I'm talk.
02:19:13.000 I slurred over my voice and everything.
02:19:15.000 And I'm like, I just don't look tough, you know?
02:19:17.000 And I'm like, I'm tough.
02:19:19.000 Whenever you say it like that, I'm tough!
02:19:21.000 I'm tough!
02:19:22.000 It's tough to convince people.
02:19:23.000 I don't have that deep, raspy voice and stuff.
02:19:29.000 We're all tougher in our own minds.
02:19:32.000 You don't have to project an image.
02:19:34.000 Everybody thinks they do, but when you try, you're just a master. 0.73
02:19:36.000 If you try to create your brand and who you are and what you think you want people to think of you as, you're just going to be a doof. 1.00
02:19:43.000 You're a douchebag. 0.99
02:19:44.000 You just got to be yourself. 1.00
02:19:45.000 Yeah.
02:19:46.000 I like how you went with doof, but I know what you were trying to say.
02:19:49.000 Because I didn't want to go.
02:19:49.000 I didn't want to dip.
02:19:50.000 I wanted to keep that even playing. 0.98
02:19:52.000 It's a douchebag. 0.91
02:19:52.000 Because I did post a picture last night that had the word douchebag in it. 0.91
02:19:56.000 Did you?
02:19:57.000 Yeah.
02:19:57.000 You got in trouble?
02:19:58.000 No, I just kind of second thought it a little bit.
02:20:01.000 I'm like, I just posted that.
02:20:02.000 Should I have done that? 0.93
02:20:04.000 What's wrong with douchebags? 0.69
02:20:05.000 Because it's really how I feel. 0.59
02:20:06.000 It's really how I felt about the man. 0.97
02:20:09.000 Who was the douchebag? 0.85
02:20:10.000 What was it about? 0.98
02:20:10.000 He's running our country, you know? 0.98
02:20:12.000 Oh, Obama?
02:20:13.000 It was a bumper sticker on this truck.
02:20:14.000 It said it had douchebag with the president's emblem as the O. And then underneath it, the guy was selling his truck, so he had written in soap for sale.
02:20:25.000 So I'm like, oh, that's pretty cool.
02:20:26.000 Douchebag for sale.
02:20:27.000 Click.
02:20:28.000 And so I post this, not even thinking.
02:20:30.000 And it's like, oh, is the CIA going to come out?
02:20:33.000 Because I've seen stuff that guys post or whatever.
02:20:35.000 And they're like, oh, they shut down my Facebook page or whatever.
02:20:37.000 And it's like...
02:20:38.000 They can do that, and it's so weird.
02:20:40.000 They can. 1.00
02:20:40.000 If you criticize the president too harshly, or if there's any threat whatsoever of violence, like, I'm going to kick the president's ass, they'll come after you. 1.00
02:20:47.000 They should, too, though. 0.99
02:20:48.000 You know what?
02:20:49.000 They should.
02:20:51.000 Because, you know, I'm a nice guy.
02:20:53.000 On the outward side, I'm a nice guy.
02:20:55.000 At home, I'm a nice guy, whatever, but I'm a badass on the mountain, I'll tell you that.
02:20:59.000 I see what you're saying.
02:21:00.000 Yeah.
02:21:00.000 I see what you're saying.
02:21:02.000 The Second Amendment is a funny issue when it comes to Obama because they had this recording of him doing this speech and talking about guns, and he was talking about how people want to keep their guns.
02:21:14.000 They're never going to let you take their guns.
02:21:16.000 And I'm like, what a weird thing it is where people, representative government, where people are elected, they get into a position of power, And then they look at people and they say things like, they're never going to let you take their guns.
02:21:29.000 What are you trying to do?
02:21:32.000 Why are you trying to take their guns?
02:21:34.000 If you're just a person, and what you are as a president, yes, you're the leader of the country, yes, you're the commander-in-chief and all that, but essentially you're just a person.
02:21:42.000 So if you're a person, why are you trying to take away other people's guns?
02:21:46.000 Do you think that people shouldn't have guns because they're all dangerous?
02:21:50.000 Because statistically, that's a real tough argument.
02:21:53.000 Statistics don't matter to people like that.
02:21:54.000 I know they don't.
02:21:55.000 They don't care. 1.00
02:21:56.000 Well, that's why those people are ridiculous. 0.99
02:21:59.000 Anybody in that sort of a position that has that sort of a point of view, like, if you're going to be the fucking president of the United States, you've got to be able to back up everything you say with logic and science. 1.00
02:22:08.000 And if you look at the amount of people we have in this country, there's 350 million motherfuckers in this country, okay? 0.99
02:22:14.000 Not all of them are motherfuckers, but some of them. 1.00
02:22:17.000 Good and bad. 1.00
02:22:19.000 350 million people in this country.
02:22:21.000 There's probably 350 million guns.
02:22:23.000 Half of them are gun owners.
02:22:25.000 Yeah.
02:22:25.000 Statistically speaking, half of them are gun owners.
02:22:27.000 Probably.
02:22:28.000 Then look at how many people are actually getting killed by guns.
02:22:32.000 The number is ridiculously low, which means that most people are really good at controlling themselves.
02:22:39.000 Most people have cars and they don't just drive into crowds of people, but some people occasionally do.
02:22:45.000 If enough people do that, are we going to take away cars?
02:22:47.000 The thing of it is, you could have those people sitting here across from you and you can be explaining to them and you can have the statistical data and you can have the proof and the facts and everything.
02:22:55.000 They're still not going to care.
02:22:56.000 They don't care.
02:22:56.000 Because there's more to it than just doing what's right and doing what is statistically fair.
02:23:13.000 Mm-hmm.
02:23:20.000 What are you trying to do?
02:23:21.000 Create your own army?
02:23:22.000 Are you waiting for a civil war?
02:23:24.000 I mean, what's going on here?
02:23:25.000 Why are you buying...
02:23:26.000 Yeah, they provided the armies or the local police...
02:23:30.000 Local police.
02:23:30.000 And I'm probably speaking out of turn here because I don't know all the facts or whatever, but it's like 12,000 bayonets.
02:23:35.000 What do you need a bayonet for anyway?
02:23:36.000 This isn't the World War II or whatever.
02:23:40.000 But then it's like, well, you bought how many millions of rounds of ammunition?
02:23:44.000 So it's like, well, there's all the conspiracy theories and all that kind of thing, but you sit back and you think, you're like...
02:23:49.000 Why are they doing that?
02:23:51.000 What's going on here?
02:23:52.000 What are they trying to create?
02:23:53.000 Why did they decimate the military?
02:23:55.000 Why did they fire all these commanders that did such a badass job of taking out the bad guy?
02:24:01.000 Why did you pull out of Iraq?
02:24:03.000 There's always something more to it than just fact and data and numbers and what's right and what's wrong.
02:24:09.000 It's man.
02:24:10.000 There's power, hunger, or something to it.
02:24:13.000 There's a lot of public perception issues.
02:24:15.000 To me, there's something freaky about it.
02:24:16.000 There's something sick going on that I don't get.
02:24:18.000 In what way?
02:24:19.000 It just nothing makes sense.
02:24:22.000 Wouldn't you think that if you're the leader of the country, you would do things that the majority of people would think make sense?
02:24:28.000 What doesn't make sense to you?
02:24:33.000 I think what doesn't make sense to me is pushing...
02:24:37.000 Take the immigration issue.
02:24:39.000 I heard a statistic the other day, whether it's right or wrong, that 9 million people in the greater LA area, potentially half of them illegal.
02:24:48.000 There's more than 9 million people here, right?
02:24:50.000 It was like the greater LA city area.
02:24:53.000 It was a smaller area, whatever it was.
02:24:55.000 They used the number 9 million.
02:24:56.000 They said potentially up to half of those are illegal or not documented, which to me is like, well, that's one city.
02:25:04.000 But why would they allow the people to come across the border just so openly and And now it's like, as a parent, I have a kid in school, and if they're putting these people and busing them all across the country and letting these people go into school without even asking their ages or having to go through medical checks like my kids do or any of those types of things, 0.70
02:25:20.000 it's like, what's the reasoning behind that?
02:25:22.000 It's not humanitarian. 0.97
02:25:23.000 If you were humanitarian, you'd block the damn border off and not let people come across and experience all that suffering. 0.94
02:25:30.000 But then, as me, as the humanitarian, little bit of humanitarian that I have, I mean, it's like, man, if I'm in that position, I'm coming across the border, too, and I'm working here. 0.98
02:25:38.000 You know, I'm providing my family with a better situation.
02:25:40.000 But as a managing government, managing a country, to me, it just doesn't make sense that you would allow open borders.
02:25:48.000 Well, I don't think it's totally open.
02:25:50.000 I mean, it's difficult to get over here.
02:25:51.000 They risk their lives.
02:25:52.000 It's very tough.
02:25:53.000 And I know what you're saying, but I also think that, politically, if you want Democratic votes...
02:26:00.000 The more lenient you are towards people coming across this border, the more lenient you are towards illegals, Latinos, giving them rights, giving them education, giving them the ability to drive cars or maybe even possibly vote, that's going to be very advantageous if you're a Democrat. 0.97
02:26:17.000 If you're a liberal and if that's what your agenda is, that's what you're trying to pursue.
02:26:21.000 It's interesting, in Republican circles, Cubans are almost all Republican.
02:26:28.000 Not all, obviously, but Miami has a large population of very conservative Latinos.
02:26:35.000 It's a completely different sort of environment.
02:26:37.000 Very Republican, very conservative.
02:26:39.000 It's a completely different setup than they have with Latinos or Mexicans in LA. And a lot of it is to do with... 0.99
02:26:55.000 We're good to go.
02:27:05.000 The disparity between California and Mexico is so vast and the distance is so small that it creates this really weird environment.
02:27:14.000 I was in San Diego a couple weeks ago and I was joking around about how nice everybody is in San Diego.
02:27:20.000 One of the reasons why they're so nice is because you can walk to a third world country.
02:27:23.000 They know how good they got it.
02:27:25.000 If you want to get confused, you want to think that...
02:27:28.000 We're good to go. 0.98
02:27:51.000 When I go there and I see that environment, I want to say, hey, they should be able to do whatever the fuck they want. 0.98
02:27:57.000 They should be able to come over here. 0.89
02:27:58.000 But they also should be able to figure out how to...
02:28:01.000 Someone should engineer that society better.
02:28:05.000 Someone should figure out how to make that culture at least as accessible or as advantageous as the American culture.
02:28:13.000 I don't know.
02:28:13.000 Right.
02:28:13.000 And I think that's where I'm talking, is they should be doing that rather than just saying, well, if you can't have it there, come here and do it here then.
02:28:21.000 Yeah.
02:28:21.000 For the individuals.
02:28:21.000 Because you can't in Mexico.
02:28:23.000 As an individual, I'm doing exactly what they're doing.
02:28:26.000 I would as well.
02:28:26.000 I'm coming across and I'm working and I'm doing whatever I can to provide for my family.
02:28:29.000 And we know and interact, you know, there in Reno, I know and interact with a lot of people that...
02:28:34.000 Within some of the churches and stuff where it's like they've come here to better their lives and you can't hold them...
02:28:40.000 It's hard to look at them and say, well, yeah, but you broke the law so you've got to go back.
02:28:45.000 You can't do that.
02:28:46.000 Because you want, as a whole, you want people to have what I have.
02:28:49.000 You want people to be able to succeed.
02:28:51.000 It just sucks that their country doesn't see that.
02:28:53.000 It hasn't done that.
02:28:55.000 But does that mean that our country has to have relatively open policies where they're like...
02:29:01.000 If you don't have it there, come here, we'll give it to you.
02:29:03.000 They don't really say that, though. 0.97
02:29:05.000 I mean, you do have to go through the border, and it's fucking hard. 0.83
02:29:08.000 It's not easy to get from Mexico back to America. 0.86
02:29:10.000 Probably not as hard as it used to be.
02:29:12.000 Really?
02:29:12.000 Yeah, I don't know.
02:29:13.000 I mean, I'm a guy that spends a lot of time in the wild.
02:29:15.000 I could...
02:29:17.000 I'm not going to say that I could get across the border, but women and children and people are getting across.
02:29:22.000 They're getting across, and it's got to be hard.
02:29:24.000 It's got to be difficult.
02:29:26.000 And some of the stuff that some of those kids have gone through in that is devastating.
02:29:30.000 It's disgusting.
02:29:31.000 You wouldn't want to ever have to have your family have to go through that.
02:29:34.000 Also, we're a nation of immigrants.
02:29:36.000 This whole nation was started by people who came from someone they didn't like and decided to try to make a better world here.
02:29:41.000 And at what point does that get closed off?
02:29:44.000 Who is that available to?
02:29:45.000 I don't think you ever close it off.
02:29:46.000 You don't ever close it off, I don't think.
02:29:48.000 But it's hard for people that come from Mexico to legally immigrate to America.
02:29:52.000 It's very difficult.
02:29:54.000 They make it hard.
02:29:55.000 And you have to have some reason why they should have you here.
02:29:58.000 If you're a scholar and you're coming from Norway, it takes time.
02:30:02.000 You have to go through all sorts of checkpoints.
02:30:05.000 There's a lot of things that have to happen.
02:30:07.000 I've had friends from Canada that wanted to get green cards to work in America.
02:30:12.000 White people that speak perfect English, that are well-educated, and it's hard.
02:30:16.000 It's not that easy to get a green card.
02:30:19.000 I'm just glad that I produce outdoor television and I don't have to deal with it.
02:30:22.000 I don't have to do it or manage it or that kind of thing.
02:30:25.000 Obviously, we all deal with it wherever we live in that.
02:30:28.000 It's also weird when you've got half the population's illegal.
02:30:31.000 You want to make half the people criminals?
02:30:33.000 You can't.
02:30:34.000 There should be some sort of a way that they could contribute as well because a lot of them are not paying taxes.
02:30:42.000 It's more advantageous to make them citizens.
02:30:45.000 Didn't Reagan do that for how many million?
02:30:47.000 Nine million or something?
02:30:48.000 They said, okay, amnesty.
02:30:50.000 Everybody that's here, yeah, I believe they did.
02:30:52.000 Reagan, I thought it was Reagan.
02:30:54.000 It's not a bad idea.
02:30:55.000 Again, I'm just going to what I heard off the radio.
02:30:56.000 I'm just the uneducated white hunter guy, you know, bubba.
02:31:00.000 But it's like, you know, they did that one time and now it's built up where there's almost no way around it that they're going to have to do it again.
02:31:06.000 And unless there's stop measures to keep it from happening again, it's going to be 20, 30 years down the road, it'll happen again.
02:31:11.000 It's a compassion issue in a lot of ways because when people are in an undeniably shitty environment like Juarez, Mexico, and they want to get out and they see San Antonio is right over there and everybody's doing great.
02:31:23.000 I'm doing the same thing.
02:31:24.000 I would do the same thing.
02:31:25.000 Yeah, the real issue is like why are borders there?
02:31:29.000 Why are nations there?
02:31:31.000 It gets real tricky.
02:31:33.000 It's a very complex issue.
02:31:35.000 I'm going to keep hunting.
02:31:36.000 I'm just going to keep doing what I do.
02:31:39.000 I'm not even going to try podcasts.
02:31:40.000 I'm just going to do what I do.
02:31:41.000 When you're on top of a mountain with just a camera and a rifle, how many cameras do you take when you go do that?
02:31:46.000 You know, I used to take several.
02:31:47.000 Now I just take one main camera, which I use a DSLR camera that'll take stills and video, and then I have one GoPro.
02:31:53.000 That's it?
02:31:54.000 Anymore, I find that I don't use the GoPro hardly ever.
02:31:56.000 The main reason I'm using the GoPro now is because I had so many people calling BS on me.
02:32:01.000 They're like, there's no way you're filming that.
02:32:03.000 You've got a cameraman, whatever.
02:32:04.000 I'm like...
02:32:05.000 I'll show you.
02:32:06.000 So I mounted a thing off the back of my camera, my main camera, that is just basically a stick that I have a GoPro on.
02:32:12.000 So you can see me.
02:32:13.000 I mean, there's an instance in one of the episodes that was on this year where you see me fumbling.
02:32:18.000 I have to take a lens off.
02:32:20.000 I put another one on.
02:32:20.000 I spin the camera in the GoPro.
02:32:22.000 You can see the elk coming up.
02:32:24.000 Then you see me reach up, focusing it, turning it, clipping onto the bow, and then shooting it.
02:32:28.000 Everything happens just that fast.
02:32:30.000 And it's like, there, take that, stick it in your ear, you know?
02:32:33.000 I filmed this all myself.
02:32:34.000 But it's become kind of a personal challenge that way where it's like, yeah, it can be done and it adds more of a challenge to the hunt.
02:32:42.000 And to me, in a case like that, I didn't get nervous about making the shot on the elk.
02:32:47.000 I just drew back.
02:32:48.000 I didn't even range it.
02:32:49.000 Drew back, naturally, just boom.
02:32:51.000 And the same thing happened with a deer that year.
02:32:53.000 Same thing.
02:32:53.000 Drew back, boom.
02:32:55.000 Because my brain was on the cameras.
02:32:57.000 My mind was on what I had to do with the cameras to get everything right.
02:33:00.000 And so hunt mode was natural because I'm a natural hunter.
02:33:03.000 I grew up as a hunter from the time I was a kid.
02:33:06.000 So that motion just took over.
02:33:08.000 Whereas if the cameras weren't there and I'm just thinking and I have time to watch that elk come up and I'm clipping on and I'm like...
02:33:14.000 Okay, where am I going to shoot him?
02:33:15.000 And I'm trying to range him and get a distance.
02:33:17.000 And you're trying to do all these things that you're supposed to do as a hunter, and then it's in your head that you've got to do all this.
02:33:23.000 And so when you anchor back, your mind might not be right.
02:33:26.000 You might be nervous.
02:33:27.000 I might be shaken.
02:33:27.000 Because there's been times where, I mean, elk's coming in, I'm literally just shaking.
02:33:32.000 Whether it's an elk or a deer, and I'm just physically just, I can't control it.
02:33:36.000 So jacked up with the ground.
02:33:37.000 Yeah, because it's like...
02:33:38.000 It's almost like a fear, adrenaline, holy crap, this is happening, whatever.
02:33:42.000 I mean, I remember as a kid sitting in a tree stand for elk, and the guys that taught me how to bow hunt, I was 13 years old, and they're like, yeah, best way, just go get in this stand and just wait for the elk to come into the water hole.
02:33:53.000 Well, shoot, I'm a 13-year-old kid up there by myself.
02:33:56.000 And you hear this herd of elk coming in.
02:33:58.000 So you have 50, you know, 800 to 1,000 pound animals coming in.
02:34:03.000 Screaming, chasing each other.
02:34:04.000 And you just freeze.
02:34:07.000 And I was shaking so bad that that platform on the stand was like...
02:34:10.000 And I was like, hold it together, man.
02:34:13.000 Hold it together, man.
02:34:14.000 And it's like, that's what you get when an animal comes in.
02:34:18.000 And I don't know what gives you that adrenaline rush.
02:34:21.000 Is it the fact that... 0.98
02:34:22.000 You know you can kill it? 0.98
02:34:24.000 I don't think so.
02:34:25.000 I think it's just the fact that this wild animal is getting close.
02:34:29.000 Anticipation.
02:34:29.000 There's so many factors.
02:34:31.000 Same thing when you're getting off the ski lift and you strap on the snowboard and you know you're going to go off this one run that you just looked at as you're coming up the hill.
02:34:41.000 You're like, I'm going down that.
02:34:42.000 And then you get there and you're like... 0.94
02:34:44.000 Holy crap, this is scary, man. 0.77
02:34:46.000 I don't know if I want to do this or not, but it's that feeling. 0.97
02:34:49.000 The elk thing is more so, even.
02:34:51.000 I get more out of it because that's more me.
02:34:53.000 I get more of a thrill out of elk.
02:34:57.000 Hunting and golf, that's kind of my two things outside of family.
02:35:00.000 I get excited over that.
02:35:02.000 You hit just a killer iron.
02:35:06.000 And you're just watching that thing fall and it's just kind of cutting into there and you're like, you get that feeling a little bit, that could go in the hole, you know, or that's going to get close.
02:35:13.000 That's kind of the same thing.
02:35:15.000 But with hunting, it's like that much more amplified because it's a live thing, you know, it's a live event and you don't have any control over that.
02:35:21.000 That elk could come in and do whatever.
02:35:23.000 Yeah, anticipation and build up for one moment and also the amount of work involved in getting up there and it's like all for this one moment.
02:35:31.000 Ready? 0.99
02:35:31.000 Don't fuck it up! 0.99
02:35:32.000 Don't fuck it up! 0.99
02:35:33.000 But what people don't see too is on TV, you know, I posted a comment on Instagram the other day. 0.98
02:35:37.000 It was like, you know, for you guys' information, hunting's not as easy as it looks on social media and on television, you know?
02:35:44.000 Which to me is a simple comment, but people are like, oh, that's so true, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
02:35:48.000 It's like, well, I might be on the mountain for nine days not seeing an animal.
02:35:51.000 Like on that moose hunt, I saw one moose before I shot my moose.
02:35:56.000 So you're there for...
02:35:57.000 10, 12 days, not seeing anything, all of a sudden there's a moose, bang!
02:36:01.000 Whoa, crap, that just happened, you know?
02:36:03.000 It's like, wow! 0.98
02:36:04.000 So, that's hunting, that's the reality of it, whereas on TV, you see six, eight minutes of me traveling, and I was like, oh dang, he killed a moose, that's awesome, you know?
02:36:13.000 That moose show was wild, the one where you shot the moose, and then it started floating down the river.
02:36:18.000 Yeah, he wasn't in the river, but yeah, he was in the marsh, so where he was standing, it was like knee-deep, and then he kind of went back in the willows, and so I had to actually go in the willows and pull him out, because the boat, we tied him onto the boat and tried to get the boat to pull him out, but it wasn't happening, so I had to go in and field my waders.
02:36:36.000 I'm just tugging on it.
02:36:37.000 It's on the video.
02:36:37.000 I put the GoPro on my head, and I had to just basically just...
02:36:41.000 We're good to go.
02:37:01.000 People don't realize I was closer to death right then than any other hunt that I've ever been on.
02:37:06.000 I was so hypothermic that I had to get off the boat and I literally just took all my clothes off and just piled on one dry coat that I had and a pair of pants and I ran up and down the sandbar back and forth because it started out like kind of a hunched over little trudge and it took me about 40 minutes before I generated enough body heat to get myself out of that hypothermic state.
02:37:30.000 Whoa.
02:37:30.000 Because I was so cold because I was so excited about the moose that I just jumped in and I'm like, yeah, look at my moose, whatever.
02:37:37.000 And you're in the water.
02:37:37.000 My waders filled up, everything.
02:37:39.000 And you're in water that just comes off of the glaciers up there, probably 34, 35 degree water, maybe a little warmer.
02:37:45.000 I don't know. 0.84
02:37:46.000 I didn't have a thermometer, but it's damn cold.
02:37:48.000 So, it just got me so close to the point where my body was starting to just really get crazy and I was not thinking right.
02:37:54.000 The only thing that I could think of, because everything was so wet, was just to run.
02:37:58.000 And so I just ran up and down the sand, just back and forth and back and forth.
02:38:00.000 And you're by yourself.
02:38:01.000 No, I had Ted.
02:38:02.000 You had that one guy on that one.
02:38:03.000 Yeah, one guy.
02:38:04.000 Wow. 0.99
02:38:05.000 That's scary as fuck, man. 0.99
02:38:06.000 Hypothermia kills a lot of people. 1.00
02:38:08.000 It's a lot of folks don't know.
02:38:09.000 It's a slow killer, yeah.
02:38:10.000 You get to the point.
02:38:10.000 That's why I tell people, like, it's a lot easier to stay warm than to get warm.
02:38:14.000 So if you start to feel a chill, put a coat on, you know?
02:38:16.000 Don't get yourself wet.
02:38:17.000 The other thing about hard hiking, too, when you're hoofing it up the mountains, is you start sweating.
02:38:22.000 That's why wool's so important.
02:38:24.000 People don't...
02:38:26.000 Many people who don't go into those environments and don't understand how you can start sweating when it's really cold out don't know how great wool is.
02:38:34.000 Yeah, wool's awesome.
02:38:35.000 Amazing.
02:38:36.000 There's some great synthetics out there, too, that wick the moisture away from your body.
02:38:40.000 Like wool, same way?
02:38:41.000 Well, I grew up as a wool guy.
02:38:44.000 Everything was all wool, wool, wool.
02:38:45.000 Well, a lot of synthetics, they'll pull it away from your body and then they'll dry fast. 0.77
02:38:49.000 Really?
02:38:49.000 Wool's going to pull it away from your body.
02:38:51.000 And the cool thing about wool is...
02:38:53.000 Even when it's wet, it's going to keep you warm, but it doesn't dry real fast.
02:38:58.000 Whereas the synthetics will pull it away, but then they'll dry fast too.
02:39:01.000 Why does it dry faster?
02:39:02.000 It's just the fiber.
02:39:04.000 I don't think it holds the moisture as well, but it pulls it away.
02:39:08.000 It's like a more closed off moisture.
02:39:09.000 Wool is still amazing because if you can't get dry, wool is still going to keep you warm.
02:39:13.000 Yeah, isn't that crazy?
02:39:14.000 Yeah.
02:39:15.000 But it's heavy and bulky.
02:39:16.000 I don't know.
02:39:17.000 There's some good stuff.
02:39:18.000 You guys mentioned First Light.
02:39:19.000 That's some amazing stuff.
02:39:20.000 But, you know, I've grown to where probably about 10 years ago I moved away from wool and into synthetics just because the technology was there.
02:39:28.000 It started getting better.
02:39:29.000 Because it's lighter?
02:39:30.000 Yeah.
02:39:30.000 Now I'm with Under Armour, so it's, you know, obviously...
02:39:32.000 And Under Armour...
02:39:33.000 But even them, they've got some clothing that we prototyped this last fall that was kind of a wool acrylic blend that was pretty amazing, pretty good stuff, so...
02:39:42.000 Really?
02:39:42.000 A wool acrylic blend?
02:39:45.000 Yeah, we just announced...
02:39:45.000 Is it lighter?
02:39:46.000 Yeah, it's not necessarily...
02:39:47.000 It's similar texture and feel to the wool, but, you know, you combine that with some of the synthetic base layers and that, and you've just got a really hardy, durable fabric that can be, you know, replicated and printed on and all kinds of different things,
02:40:03.000 but...
02:40:03.000 That's a consideration that you have to really plan out, right?
02:40:07.000 How much weight you're carrying?
02:40:09.000 How much stuff do you actually need?
02:40:12.000 You take what you need and that's it.
02:40:16.000 There's no reason to take any comforts.
02:40:19.000 That's one of the things that I probably should be better at.
02:40:22.000 I hate sleeping on the ground.
02:40:23.000 When I hunt, I'm miserable.
02:40:26.000 At night, I basically just roll from one side to the next because I can't sleep because I'm like, I'm not taking that two-pound pad.
02:40:33.000 I'm going to take the 16-ounce pad instead.
02:40:36.000 I'm thinking one pound.
02:40:37.000 Well, it's like, you know what?
02:40:38.000 I've got seven pounds around my stomach that I'm carrying around that I shouldn't be carrying around either.
02:40:42.000 Right.
02:40:43.000 But we all get so caught up into the weight that...
02:40:46.000 You know, you kind of neglect certain things.
02:40:49.000 And that's important when you go on a backcountry pack trip where you're going to be in several days and that.
02:40:53.000 Weight's a big deal.
02:40:54.000 Because when you start hiking up a mountain, you're just thinking...
02:40:57.000 I mean, I know I do.
02:40:58.000 I'm thinking in my mind, what could I have left out of my pack?
02:41:01.000 You know, what could have made this trip lighter?
02:41:02.000 Because if you don't have a pack, it's a lot easier to get up the mountain.
02:41:05.000 But...
02:41:07.000 You got to be comfortable or you're going to hike your butt back off the mountain.
02:41:09.000 Do you wear like a lightweight boot too?
02:41:12.000 I do.
02:41:12.000 I'm a super lightweight boot all the time.
02:41:15.000 Even in rugged country, I like a really lightweight boot.
02:41:17.000 I'm the kind of guy, I've never sprained an ankle.
02:41:19.000 Never had any knee or any ankle issues.
02:41:22.000 I've had knee issues, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the boot.
02:41:25.000 But it's like, I like lightweight.
02:41:27.000 I like maneuverability and just, I feel more...
02:41:31.000 I feel more mobile.
02:41:32.000 I don't like the big, heavy rock mountain boots.
02:41:34.000 And I've worn them a lot, but they're just rigid and I just feel like my legs get tired and I just can't move.
02:41:41.000 But when I have a light boot that's more like a sneaker, I don't think my legs get as tired and I can just do what I need to do.
02:41:46.000 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking because I'm going hunting in Alaska the first week of October.
02:41:52.000 And I had these...
02:41:55.000 Heavy Schnee's. 0.61
02:41:56.000 Yeah, good boot.
02:41:57.000 Great boot.
02:41:57.000 Heavy boots.
02:41:58.000 They're excellent.
02:41:59.000 Waterproof and everything like that.
02:42:00.000 But, man, I went hiking with them recently trying to break them in. 0.99
02:42:04.000 I'm like, my fucking legs get tired. 0.98
02:42:06.000 Well, try drying leather when it's raining a bunch, too. 0.99
02:42:08.000 I mean, it's hard.
02:42:09.000 But that boot is made for that environment.
02:42:11.000 That's the type of boot that's made for that. 1.00
02:42:13.000 You know, there's some synthetics out there, too, that might dry a little easier than that.
02:42:17.000 But I've always been one where it's like, you know, I just...
02:42:21.000 I don't have issues with blisters.
02:42:24.000 I'm just lucky that way.
02:42:25.000 I haven't ever had to deal with that when I wear a pair of my lightweight Under Armors, my Speed Freaks or whatever.
02:42:32.000 I'm halfway through my second season on one pair of boots, which typically I go through a pair of boots easy in a season.
02:42:40.000 But this lightweight pair of Speed Freaks, I've had it in the snow, you know, the shale.
02:42:45.000 Are those Under Armour Speed Freaks?
02:42:46.000 It's an Under Armour Speed Freak.
02:42:47.000 These ones are prototypes.
02:42:48.000 I don't know if it's the actual Speed Freak.
02:42:50.000 It's a prototype boot they sent me last year.
02:42:52.000 Oh, it's like a new product?
02:42:53.000 That's going to be cool.
02:42:54.000 That's awesome.
02:42:55.000 That's one cool thing about, you know, I've been knocking on Under Armour's door for three or four years.
02:42:59.000 And last year...
02:43:01.000 I was fed up.
02:43:02.000 I was like, you know what?
02:43:03.000 These guys are never going to give me the time of day.
02:43:04.000 They're cool guys and everything, but they're looking for bigger fish.
02:43:07.000 And so, this is probably the first time they've heard that too, is like, I got rid of all my Under Armour gear and was decked out with another brand.
02:43:17.000 They decked me out everything, head to toe, everything.
02:43:19.000 So I was like, I was all geared up to go on my first hunt in this other brand.
02:43:22.000 And then something just hit me.
02:43:24.000 My wife's like, where'd you get all that camo? 1.00
02:43:26.000 And I told her the story, and she's like, what about Under Armour?
02:43:28.000 And I go...
02:43:30.000 I can't give up on Under Armour, can I? And she's like, you were going to give up on Under Armour?
02:43:33.000 So I was leaving for my hunt.
02:43:36.000 I went to Shields and I bought a pair of pants and a shirt.
02:43:38.000 Under Armour pair of pants and a shirt.
02:43:40.000 I went on my hunt.
02:43:41.000 I killed this deer.
02:43:43.000 While I was driving back, Kobe gave me a call and said, hey, things have developed.
02:43:47.000 We've got some stuff freed up.
02:43:48.000 We'd really love to have you guys on board.
02:43:50.000 So it's like, holy crap, I just about threw Under Armour away, you know?
02:43:54.000 Yeah. 0.87
02:43:55.000 Just from that.
02:43:55.000 But as a TV guy, it's like you want to have the best brands.
02:43:58.000 You want to wear the best gear and everything.
02:44:01.000 But the second part of it is you've got to pay the bills.
02:44:03.000 You've got to make it worth your while to do it.
02:44:05.000 Because at the end of the day, I'm not doing it because I'm a passionate hunter.
02:44:08.000 I'm doing it because I'm a businessman and I want to make a pile of loads of money.
02:44:11.000 And it just so happens to be a sport that I love and I'm passionate about.
02:44:14.000 And that's going to help me be a better business person.
02:44:16.000 A lot of people don't know that Under Armour does hunting gear.
02:44:18.000 They're huge in the hunting world.
02:44:20.000 People think of them in terms of other athletics.
02:44:23.000 They're just kidding.
02:44:24.000 We just announced the coming soon of their new Ridge Reaper Baron Camo Pattern.
02:44:29.000 Remy and I, and there's like six or eight of us nationwide that had these prototype clothings and that wore this Camo Pattern.
02:44:36.000 Cameron's got it as well.
02:44:38.000 And they just announced that it's going to be releasing.
02:44:41.000 I heard September 15th one of the dates was thrown out, but they're going to be coming out at UnderArmor.com, the Ridge Reaper line, with the Baron camo pattern.
02:44:49.000 Pretty sweet. 1.00
02:44:50.000 Do you ever go out and realize that you fucked up, you should have brought more shit? 1.00
02:44:54.000 Always. 1.00
02:44:55.000 Really?
02:44:55.000 No, yeah, yeah, that's happened.
02:44:58.000 And it's also gone the other way too, where I've gone there and I'm like, why did I bring this?
02:45:01.000 Mostly camera stuff.
02:45:02.000 I mean, I pack around this 5 pound, 11,000 millimeter, whatever, 1100 millimeter lens that weighs like 6 pounds.
02:45:10.000 I pack that sucker everywhere and I never use it.
02:45:12.000 It's like, why am I packing that thing and my spot and scope and all this? 0.95
02:45:16.000 It's like...
02:45:16.000 Is there anything that you, like, if you haven't brought it with you, like, if you've gone out there and go, God, why didn't I bring this?
02:45:23.000 Is there anything, like, dangerous about that?
02:45:24.000 Have you ever taken a trip and not having enough clothing or not having enough...
02:45:30.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:45:32.000 Survival shit. 1.00
02:45:33.000 I always have survival stuff with me. 1.00
02:45:35.000 I carry a survival medic.
02:45:36.000 It's just a little super lightweight first aid kit, but it has survival tools with it too.
02:45:42.000 So I have that in every...
02:45:43.000 I've got one in every backpack I use that's just there.
02:45:45.000 Like to start fires?
02:45:47.000 Yeah.
02:45:47.000 Thankfully, I rarely have to use it.
02:45:49.000 And if I do use it, it's just more just for fun to start a fire or something.
02:45:52.000 But it's there if I do need it.
02:45:54.000 I don't know when I've run into a situation where it's like, man, I wished I would have had this or that.
02:46:01.000 Because it's such a unique style of hunting.
02:46:03.000 So few people do it that way, where you go completely on your own.
02:46:08.000 Well, and I grew up hunting with nothing.
02:46:10.000 You know, I had a bow with a piece of crap arrows, and it was the cheapest thing we could find, and I hunted with that same bow.
02:46:15.000 The bow that I bought when I was 14 was the first, I think when I had been 15, I bought that bow.
02:46:20.000 I hunted with that until I got into TV, until 2004. Was it a compound or...
02:46:25.000 Compound bow, barely.
02:46:26.000 It was a Polaris, a PSE Polaris, that I bought that bow.
02:46:29.000 It was like $109 or something.
02:46:31.000 100 feet per second?
02:46:32.000 I don't know.
02:46:34.000 Maybe.
02:46:35.000 Who knows?
02:46:36.000 But I hunted with that thing, and then I got back out of college.
02:46:38.000 I was hunting with that thing, and I hunted with that ClearTel 2004 before I got a Matthews bow. 0.99
02:46:44.000 And I'm like, holy cow, there's a 12-year, 15-year span of time there that I hunted with a piece of crap.
02:46:50.000 And so I think that by me learning to get by with so little that it makes it easier for me when I do have good equipment. 0.77
02:46:58.000 I can appreciate it that much more and it's like I can get by with just good equipment.
02:47:03.000 The world of hunting bows.
02:47:04.000 I don't have to have gizmos and gadgets.
02:47:05.000 Right.
02:47:06.000 Compound bows, that's the one world where 10 years makes a giant leap.
02:47:11.000 Whereas with rifles, 10 years ago, it's a rifle.
02:47:16.000 Scopes are a little better, but rifles are essentially a rifle.
02:47:19.000 Bullets are bullets.
02:47:20.000 But the bows of 10 years ago in comparison to the bows of today, they are making these little incremental leaps every year where they're getting a little bit lighter, a little bit more feet per second, a little bit more accurate, a little bit better tolerance.
02:47:35.000 It's really kind of interesting to see the technology that's involved in compound bows, both for target shooting and for hunting.
02:47:41.000 Yeah, and it's interesting.
02:47:42.000 The bow company that I deal with, with G5 and Prime, is like...
02:47:45.000 G5 is an engineering firm.
02:47:48.000 You know, they're an engineering company.
02:47:49.000 So if anybody's going to know how to make something better and get the most out of a piece of iron, it's an engineering company.
02:47:56.000 It's somebody that has that background.
02:47:58.000 So that's what's really cool about them.
02:47:59.000 And these companies are smart.
02:48:00.000 They're not just going to blow their wad on all their technology all at once.
02:48:04.000 They're going to incrementally bring it out so they can have a new bow every year.
02:48:07.000 And that seems to be like the craze right now is every bow manufacturer has one or two new bows every year.
02:48:13.000 And it's like, man, how do you keep up with that?
02:48:15.000 How do you keep up with technology?
02:48:17.000 But as a hunter, I'm kind of addicted to that.
02:48:19.000 It's like, yeah, I like this bow, but in October, as soon as that new prototype bow comes out, I want it in my hand, you know?
02:48:24.000 Because we're addicted to that new, bigger, better battery, just like the iPhone 6. Mark was telling me about that, and I'm like...
02:48:30.000 You were mocking the iPhone 4?
02:48:32.000 Yeah, I got an iPhone 4. I've had it for forever.
02:48:36.000 With a crazy lens attachment that you put on your...
02:48:39.000 I've seen that too.
02:48:40.000 You put it on a spot and scope and you can film it, right?
02:48:43.000 What is that called?
02:48:44.000 This is a phone scope adapter and I've just gotten used to having it on my phone.
02:48:47.000 Every once in a while I'll take my phone out and put it back in my LifeProof case, but then I reach in my pocket and I'm like, where's my handle?
02:48:52.000 I'm missing my handle.
02:48:53.000 But this is just an adapter.
02:48:54.000 It goes onto a bayonet mount sleeve so I can slide it over my spotting scope.
02:49:00.000 And you can zoom in.
02:49:01.000 You can video.
02:49:02.000 Yeah, take pictures.
02:49:03.000 And what's cool is you shoot a little video clip or take a photo and bam, you post it to Instagram.
02:49:08.000 Wham, you're done.
02:49:08.000 And that kind of stuff.
02:49:09.000 That's pretty cool.
02:49:10.000 So you take a photo straight from the spotting scope.
02:49:13.000 Exactly.
02:49:13.000 Wow.
02:49:14.000 Yeah, digiscoping with it.
02:49:16.000 And I just leave it in the case because, you know, my phone, I just like having that handle.
02:49:21.000 It's just kind of...
02:49:22.000 Convenient.
02:49:22.000 Yeah, I love it.
02:49:23.000 Because when I take it off, I'm like missing it.
02:49:25.000 And it's not that I... I don't use this phone scope other than when I'm hunting.
02:49:28.000 So it's like...
02:49:29.000 When you were talking, for folks who don't know what you're saying, you were talking about ranging.
02:49:34.000 These laser rangefinders are another really cool invention where you look into it, you press a button, it tells you the exact yardage.
02:49:41.000 And for people who've never been hunting with bows before, never shot a bow before...
02:49:45.000 They don't understand, like, there's a big difference between a scope on a rifle.
02:49:51.000 A rifle's pretty good for a couple hundred yards, but a bow, there's a big difference between where it's going to hit at 20 yards versus where it's going to hit at 40 yards.
02:50:00.000 And all this is sort of crazy calculations on feet per second and where your yardage pins are.
02:50:07.000 That was one thing that I really got into when I started playing with bows.
02:50:13.000 How much you have to learn.
02:50:15.000 Develop a sight tape and arrange things out and figure out sighting in your bow and making sure everything's tuned up.
02:50:25.000 There's so many weird adjustments that you have to make between 20 and 50 yards and how difficult it is to shoot something at 50 yards.
02:50:33.000 Yeah.
02:50:34.000 Just a target?
02:50:35.000 You don't have a steady rest or a bipod like you do with a rifle.
02:50:38.000 I mean, the bow, you've got your arm that's not very rigid to begin with holding it out there, and you've got your other arm back here, and so you're trying to anchor it.
02:50:46.000 No magnification either.
02:50:48.000 No, there's some magnification scopes out there that you can put on there, one or two power, six power, whatever.
02:50:54.000 Do you use those?
02:50:55.000 I don't.
02:50:56.000 I'm so old school when it comes to my equipment.
02:50:59.000 I mean, it's just like I'll take a bow and I set up all my own equipment.
02:51:02.000 I don't take it into the archery shops because everybody has their own way of doing things, but I do it the way I learn, but I'll just put a peep, sight, you know, sight it in.
02:51:11.000 Guys are all wrapped into these super long-range sights.
02:51:14.000 Well, I'm a hunter, so I need a sight that's going to go from 20 to 80, you know, and I'm good.
02:51:18.000 I don't need...
02:51:20.000 120, 150. It'd be fun to shoot that far, but I don't.
02:51:24.000 If I want to shoot that far, I go get my MOA rifle and I shoot that far.
02:51:28.000 I learned from Cameron.
02:51:30.000 Cameron does all of his hunting with bows and arrows.
02:51:33.000 Cameron Haynes uses a spot hog.
02:51:36.000 Who?
02:51:36.000 Never heard of her.
02:51:37.000 Cameron Haynes?
02:51:38.000 You keep doing that same joke.
02:51:40.000 You're going to have to let that go.
02:51:41.000 We're almost done here.
02:51:42.000 That's like my joke.
02:51:44.000 Do you use a multi-pin sight?
02:51:46.000 Yeah.
02:51:48.000 For the longest time, I just used a single pin sight.
02:51:50.000 But once I started really filming my bow hunts real heavily, it just became too much to have to adjust the pin.
02:51:56.000 So I just went to the multiple pin sights again so that I don't have any adjustment on the bow.
02:52:00.000 I can focus on adjusting the camera.
02:52:16.000 I think?
02:52:30.000 Just like shooting a pistol, your body automatically gets into that position.
02:52:34.000 And more times than not, if you'll draw back and get into that position and then look at your pins, you're there.
02:52:39.000 If you've done it a lot and you're conditioned to that.
02:52:42.000 And I think that's where your instincts kind of take over.
02:52:44.000 In those cases, I drew back and you just look at your pin, verify, bam!
02:52:48.000 You know, and you go.
02:52:49.000 So you're still aiming, but because you're not thinking about it, it's happening so much quicker.
02:52:55.000 They say that that's, you know, what some of the sharpshooters, that's why they're so good is because it's just all instinctive with pistols or anything else.
02:53:01.000 They're not aiming, they're just shooting.
02:53:03.000 There's a lot of practice involved in bow hunting too, right?
02:53:05.000 I started bow hunting at 12, 13 years old.
02:53:08.000 I have had a bow in my hand my entire life, basically, just because of my upbringing.
02:53:13.000 I'd go out to do chores, you grab your bow off the freezer, you walk out, fling a couple arrows at the carpet target that we had taped onto the haystack, and you go milk the cows, you walk out, you pull your arrows, you do it again.
02:53:23.000 It was a lifestyle.
02:53:24.000 It's life for me.
02:53:26.000 Growing up that way.
02:53:27.000 I shoot less now just because of the busyness of life and the other responsibilities I have, but it's still part of it.
02:53:34.000 And it's natural.
02:53:35.000 So for a guy picking it up, for you to go out and be able to experience that instinctive anchoring and everything is just dialed, it's going to come over time.
02:53:43.000 And there will be times where you might go out next week and you're like...
02:53:46.000 Man, I know what he's talking about.
02:53:47.000 That feels good.
02:53:48.000 And then the next day you're going to be like, what the hell am I doing wrong?
02:53:51.000 This just isn't working.
02:53:52.000 And that's archery.
02:53:53.000 That's the nature of your bow.
02:53:54.000 Your wrist is going to tweak.
02:53:56.000 Things are going to change from day to day.
02:53:58.000 So don't feel like you have to adjust your bow every time you go out and shoot.
02:54:01.000 Just be like, yep, today I was pulling them left.
02:54:04.000 Today I'm dropping them out.
02:54:06.000 No big deal.
02:54:06.000 Tomorrow will be a different...
02:54:08.000 Well, that's the cool thing about archery is how difficult it is.
02:54:10.000 It's so involved that it sort of takes away all the other things in your life away.
02:54:16.000 It takes away all the other things you're thinking about, all the other distractions in your mind.
02:54:20.000 You're so concentrating on putting that pin, holding it steady, making sure you release, no added movement, no twitching, no pulling.
02:54:31.000 And I find it almost like meditative in that way.
02:54:34.000 When I do it, it cleans my mind out.
02:54:37.000 I love doing it at the end of the day.
02:54:38.000 I have a busy day.
02:54:39.000 I go out in my yard.
02:54:41.000 I pull out some targets and start shooting.
02:54:43.000 And I feel like it's a nice stress reliever, too.
02:54:46.000 Even if people never want to hunt, I recommend just doing archery just for fun.
02:54:51.000 And get a bow and do it instinctively.
02:54:53.000 You should get a recurve or get a bare bow and just go out and just do it close, you know, 10 feet and just get that feeling of just release.
02:55:00.000 Do you think that helps your compound archery?
02:55:01.000 It helps.
02:55:01.000 It'll help your...
02:55:02.000 I believe so because I grew up that.
02:55:04.000 I mean, that's how I did it.
02:55:06.000 And, you know, to this day, I think it's made me a better shooter in a hunting situation.
02:55:10.000 It's tricky to hunt with a bow because more animals get wounded and escape bow hunting than probably any other style.
02:55:18.000 I don't know.
02:55:19.000 Yeah, I don't know what the statistics...
02:55:20.000 I mean, there's a lot of deer get hammered by a rifle, too, and walk away.
02:55:24.000 I'm sure.
02:55:24.000 It's hard to say.
02:55:25.000 There's just that many more rifle hunters out there.
02:55:27.000 Bows are tough because hemorrhaging is lethal.
02:55:30.000 You know, hemorrhaging is...
02:55:31.000 I mean, you can shoot...
02:55:31.000 I shot a bear in the ankle one time, you know, in the wrist.
02:55:34.000 It bled out within 80 yards.
02:55:36.000 Hemorrhaging is super lethal, whereas a bullet doesn't necessarily have to give you hemorrhaging.
02:55:41.000 It can give you puncture and impact and shock and trauma, but it doesn't necessarily hemorrhage.
02:55:46.000 Not the same way because of the heat and everything gets cauterized.
02:55:49.000 Yeah, could be.
02:55:51.000 So, I don't know.
02:55:51.000 I can't say for sure.
02:55:54.000 Yeah, I just felt I had a massive responsibility to put in a lot of practice before I went bow hunting. 0.92
02:56:00.000 I fucked my shoulder up because I was shooting 150 arrows a day. 0.57
02:56:05.000 Don't pull the Cameron Haynes, is it? 0.99
02:56:08.000 Don't pull the Cameron Haynes and shoot a 90-pound bow.
02:56:10.000 Shoot a 70-pound bow.
02:56:11.000 All you need is 70. Is that all you need?
02:56:14.000 I had a 70. All you need is 40, 45, you know?
02:56:17.000 But do you, because what if you hit a bone and then the animal runs away?
02:56:20.000 Cameron has this philosophy about, well, he's an interesting guy.
02:56:24.000 Cameron has his philosophy, you know, and that's great, and it works for him.
02:56:26.000 Sweet.
02:56:27.000 Ted Nugent has the 45-pound philosophy.
02:56:30.000 He's got whatever he's got.
02:56:30.000 Ted Nugent's got his...
02:56:31.000 What do you shoot, a 70?
02:56:32.000 I shoot mine at like 63 pounds or something, yeah.
02:56:35.000 I mean, I'm a strong guy.
02:56:36.000 I can pull 70, 80 pounds, sure.
02:56:38.000 But you choose to do the other one just because it's more convenient?
02:56:41.000 I'm more accurate.
02:56:42.000 I found that with my arrows and my broadheads and my setup, I take my bow and I max it at 70 pounds, and as I'm sighting in and tuning my bow, paper tuning or whatever...
02:56:52.000 I back it off a quarter, turn at a time, my limbs.
02:56:55.000 So you're taking the weight down.
02:56:56.000 And I found that that 63 to 65 range, for me and my setup, I'm getting bullets.
02:57:02.000 Yeah, Cameron does all these crazy workouts just so he can pull it effortlessly.
02:57:07.000 Yeah, it's awesome. 0.99
02:57:08.000 But he's into shooting water buffaloes and shit and getting pass-throughs on giant elks. 0.99
02:57:15.000 That's his whole deal. 0.99
02:57:17.000 Listen, man, we're out of time.
02:57:18.000 Sweet.
02:57:19.000 That was three hours.
02:57:19.000 That's good, because I've got to take a leak.
02:57:21.000 I bet you do.
02:57:21.000 Go take it.
02:57:22.000 This was great, man.
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02:57:31.000 Thank you very much, brother.
02:57:33.000 Thank you, man.
02:57:33.000 I appreciate it.
02:57:33.000 It was really enjoyable.
02:57:35.000 And watch the show.
02:57:36.000 It's on the Outdoor Channel.
02:57:37.000 It's called Solo Hunter.
02:57:38.000 It's one of my favorite hunting shows.
02:57:39.000 It's a really enjoyable show.
02:57:41.000 Even if you don't like hunting, it's very well done.
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02:58:25.000 We will be back, ladies and gentlemen, next week.
02:58:28.000 I got Rupert Sheldrake, Graham Hancock, and others.
02:58:31.000 Until then, enjoy your weekend.
02:58:33.000 See you at the Ice House, and big kiss.