The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #552 - Kid Cudi

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00:00:16.000 Whenever you talk to a rapper or any dude who has a name, like Kid Cudi, you never know.

00:00:23.000 Am I supposed to call you Kid?

00:00:25.000 Immortal Technique comes on the podcast all the time.

00:00:27.000 To this day, I don't know what to call him.

00:00:30.000 I love that dude. 0.99

00:00:31.000 He's cool as fuck. 0.94

00:00:32.000 I love talking to him, but I never know what to call him. 0.96

00:00:35.000 Do I call him Tech?

00:00:36.000 Do I call him Immortal?

00:00:38.000 Mr. Technique?

00:00:40.000 So I had to ask you before this podcast started, I said, do I refer to you as Kid Cudi or do I call you Scott?

00:00:47.000 I introduce myself to other human beings with my government name, Scott.

00:00:51.000 I don't walk up and say, hey, I'm Kid Cudi.

00:00:54.000 But no, I get Mr. Cudi sometime, and that's a little weird.

00:00:58.000 It makes me sound like a stripper or something.

00:00:59.000 It's weird, yeah.

00:01:00.000 Mr. Cuddy.

00:01:01.000 Yeah, Mr. Cudi.

00:01:02.000 Mr. Cuddy is cool if it's like a chick or something. 0.88

00:01:05.000 Yeah.

00:01:08.000 There's not a whole lot of white dudes who ever pulled off the nickname.

00:01:12.000 Like Carrot Top, Weird Al, right?

00:01:16.000 Weird Al's always Weird Al.

00:01:18.000 It's always Weird Al Yankovic.

00:01:19.000 It's no Hi, I'm Al Yankovic.

00:01:21.000 It's Weird Al, right?

00:01:22.000 P. Diddy, Puff Daddy, Prince, whatever he is.

00:01:25.000 A lot of black guys pulled it off.

00:01:27.000 I mean, you just keep going forever.

00:01:28.000 But there's a small handful of white people that have ever pulled off the nickname.

00:01:36.000 I thought you were going to talk about Captain Kirk.

00:01:38.000 Captain and Tennille.

00:01:41.000 The kid goes deep into the 1970s drawer.

00:01:44.000 The Captain and Tennille.

00:01:46.000 Wow.

00:01:47.000 That's a terrible band from way back in the day.

00:01:50.000 Terrible by today's standards.

00:01:52.000 But back in the day, people loved them.

00:01:54.000 Do you remember the Captain and Tennille?

00:01:55.000 No.

00:01:56.000 I don't remember what they sang. 0.98

00:01:57.000 I shouldn't even say they're terrible, because I'm being just a dick.

00:02:00.000 I don't remember any of their songs.

00:02:02.000 They're probably sitting there like, hey!

00:02:05.000 What's the big idea?

00:02:06.000 I believe one of them is dead.

00:02:09.000 I think one of them got like some serious anorexia, though I think the woman got serious. 0.71

00:02:14.000 I might be mixing my stories up from 1970s bands that I barely pay attention to, but you want to talk about some people that got some fucking stories, you know, the people that grew up during the 60s and were like famous during the 70s.

00:02:28.000 That's a strange little slice of American life right there.

00:02:32.000 Oh yeah, you can imagine.

00:02:33.000 It was just a whole other way of living, you know?

00:02:36.000 I think there was a lot more communication amongst human beings.

00:02:39.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:02:40.000 Like just, you know, just casual conversation.

00:02:44.000 It wasn't like weird. 0.99

00:02:45.000 Nowadays, if you even just say hi to someone walking down the street, it's like, what the fuck? 0.98

00:02:50.000 It's like you being polite. 0.99

00:02:51.000 Like, what the fuck did you say to me? 0.99

00:02:53.000 Well, I think two things are going on. 0.99

00:02:54.000 One, people are just nervous because there's a lot of news stories about terrible things that happen all over the world.

00:02:59.000 Most of what you get in the news is terrible things.

00:03:01.000 So people are always worried about terrible things when they meet strangers. 0.86

00:03:05.000 And then two, everybody's fucking texting and emailing, and the amount of time you spend person to person has probably been greatly reduced. 0.80

00:03:13.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:03:13.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.97

00:03:14.000 And I'd support, you know, a healthy dose.

00:03:19.000 Brian just put up a picture of the captain.

00:03:21.000 Nice.

00:03:22.000 Now we know.

00:03:23.000 Nice.

00:03:24.000 I need one of them caps.

00:03:25.000 My buddy Miles, he has one of those caps.

00:03:27.000 He rocks all the time.

00:03:28.000 That's a good cap.

00:03:29.000 If you're just letting everybody know you like to party.

00:03:31.000 Miles Teller.

00:03:32.000 Miles Teller.

00:03:32.000 He wears a cap like that all the time.

00:03:35.000 That's one of those things. 1.00

00:03:35.000 If you walk around with a captain's hat on and you're like a sober guy, you're an asshole. 1.00

00:03:39.000 No, no, no. 1.00

00:03:40.000 Miles parties.

00:03:41.000 He gets it in.

00:03:41.000 That's my guy.

00:03:42.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:03:43.000 One of those dudes who doesn't smoke weed, doesn't drink, and don't do total straight edge, but you're wearing a captain's hat, you're a fucking idiot. 1.00

00:03:51.000 But there's something, if you're like some Hunter S. Thompson dude with a captain's hat on, you're on mescaline while you've got a bottle of whiskey in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other, I want to talk to that dude. 1.00

00:04:01.000 For real.

00:04:02.000 I'm hanging out with him. 0.99

00:04:03.000 Yeah, there's certain outfits that you're allowed to wear if you get fucked up. 0.99

00:04:06.000 Like the way Stanhope dresses. 0.98

00:04:08.000 Like if Stanhope was like a sober guy, he couldn't pull off that outfit.

00:04:14.000 He's hammered all the time, so he's wearing this bright checkered leisure suit or whatever he wears.

00:04:19.000 Yeah.

00:04:20.000 Every city goes to a thrift store and tries to find the most shittiest, I guess, suit you could possibly find.

00:04:27.000 Well, he has stuff that doesn't fit him all the time.

00:04:29.000 It barely fits him.

00:04:30.000 He's awesome.

00:04:32.000 So, dude, you're a young man.

00:04:34.000 You're doing very well.

00:04:35.000 Everything is going well for you.

00:04:37.000 This is an exciting time in your life.

00:04:39.000 Yeah, man.

00:04:40.000 I'm trying.

00:04:40.000 What's it like to be Kid Cudi?

00:04:44.000 It's cool, man.

00:04:45.000 I feel like that's intrusive.

00:04:47.000 No, no, no.

00:04:48.000 I mean, you know, it's nothing too spectacular.

00:04:51.000 I'm mostly like trying to stay creative and hang around family a lot and get family time in with my mom and my daughter and So my life is split between that and creating.

00:05:03.000 It's a good balance.

00:05:04.000 I've found the balance now at 30. At 30?

00:05:07.000 Dude, you're living the dream.

00:05:09.000 Yeah, it's cool, man.

00:05:10.000 I can't complain.

00:05:11.000 Even on the days I complain, I realize I can't complain.

00:05:13.000 You definitely can't complain.

00:05:15.000 To be a professional entertainer is probably the luckiest job of all time.

00:05:20.000 You made it.

00:05:21.000 Well, it's really deeper than that, I think, to just have a fan base.

00:05:25.000 You know, that's supportive is the real ultimate, you know, blessing because, you know, guys get record deals all the time. 0.98

00:05:31.000 You know, some of their music is shit, you know, but then... 0.99

00:05:34.000 How dare you? 1.00

00:05:34.000 It's just like, you know, but then when you have... 1.00

00:05:38.000 You know, you have a lot of artists that come and, you know, end up having, like, a grassroots following, and they have a fan base that rides with them their entire career.

00:05:47.000 That's, man, that's a blessing on top of a blessing.

00:05:51.000 You never know, because today's audience, you know, these kids like you one minute, they hate you the next, like you one minute, they hate you the next, and to have a loyal fan base in that type of climate, it's awesome.

00:06:00.000 Yeah, that is the thing that it used to be, like if you were a rapper or any kind of entertainer, you were only as good if you were a comedian.

00:06:08.000 You were only as good as the people got to see you out there.

00:06:12.000 It was really difficult to build a fan base if you weren't on something.

00:06:16.000 If you weren't on a television show, or if you weren't a regular guest like The Tonight Show or something like that.

00:06:23.000 It was really hard for someone to build a fan base.

00:06:25.000 But today, because of the internet, rappers, singers, musicians, I mean everybody, comedians, all they can kind of keep tabs and just communicate with people directly.

00:06:34.000 Yeah, and I feel like I kind of was at the beginning, the early stages of that wave.

00:06:42.000 We're good to go.

00:07:02.000 That I had at my disposal to upload music was MySpace.

00:07:05.000 Wow.

00:07:06.000 And that was literally how the world discovered my voice, you know, through my MySpace music page.

00:07:11.000 How did MySpace drop the ball so hard? 0.97

00:07:16.000 They had the world by the balls. 0.56

00:07:19.000 They had everybody. 0.95

00:07:23.000 I don't even think they've fallen off like that.

00:07:25.000 I just think that there's just so much out there.

00:07:29.000 There's definitely so much out there.

00:07:30.000 There's an overabundance of, you know, for every Facebook, there's five more other Facebooks.

00:07:35.000 Well, there's always new ones coming out, too.

00:07:37.000 It's got to be hard to figure out a new thing, though.

00:07:39.000 Like, what's the new thing?

00:07:40.000 Does it involve video?

00:07:41.000 What's going to be the new thing?

00:07:42.000 Memes and emojis.

00:07:44.000 I think it's just a combination of everything.

00:07:46.000 It's a one-stop shop to just anything that you can, you know, dick around on the internet with, it's possible through this app, you know?

00:07:54.000 Yeah, probably, right?

00:07:56.000 I think it's also, have you seen that new thing that Unbox Therapy did a video on?

00:08:02.000 Oh my god, Lewis from Unbox Therapy did this video of this new Iron Man tech.

00:08:07.000 If you go to his page, go to Unbox Therapy, Iron Man For Real, I think it's called.

00:08:12.000 It's a YouTube video that he put up.

00:08:13.000 It's insane, man.

00:08:14.000 What does it do?

00:08:14.000 You're putting on these gloves, or these goggles, rather, that cover your eyes, sort of Oculus Rift style, but you see everything.

00:08:22.000 I would see you clearly.

00:08:23.000 But in front of you, there's icons and things that I can move around.

00:08:27.000 I can open things and close them, and you do it all with hand gestures.

00:08:31.000 So, like, as I'm looking at you, if I had these goggles on, I'd be looking at you and I'd see these floating geometric objects, like boxes, circles, and you can open them up and close them and move them around and they stay places, like Minority Report style. 0.99

00:08:45.000 Oh, shit. 0.73

00:08:45.000 Like, remember he's doing that on the screen? 0.73

00:08:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:46.000 But you're going to be able to do it, like, in the air.

00:08:49.000 Right. 0.99

00:08:49.000 Like, when Tony Stark put that helmet on, he could see a bunch of shit in front of him. 0.99

00:08:53.000 That's sick. 1.00

00:08:53.000 That's going to be, like, reality. 1.00

00:08:54.000 And in his words, in Lewis's words, he said, this guy wants to make the world the desktop.

00:09:00.000 The world is your screens.

00:09:02.000 Well, it's takeaway screens.

00:09:03.000 And the screens are going to be the world.

00:09:05.000 You put this thing on, and you just see through it, and there's no more screens anymore.

00:09:09.000 Everything you do, you do through this.

00:09:10.000 This is his ultimate goal. 0.81

00:09:12.000 Now, do the glasses look all fucking gnarly, like some super visor virtual reality type of thing? 0.90

00:09:19.000 Yeah, you can see them. 0.91

00:09:20.000 They're right up there.

00:09:21.000 They're pretty big right now.

00:09:22.000 But so was the first phone.

00:09:25.000 That's true.

00:09:25.000 Remember those home telephones?

00:09:27.000 Those giant boxes that used to have to crank? 1.00

00:09:32.000 Call people up and they used to fucking put cables into holes and shit. 0.99

00:09:38.000 You remember all that? 0.99

00:09:38.000 That was what an old phone used to be like. 0.99

00:09:41.000 But you know what?

00:09:42.000 This type of technology you wouldn't want, you know, walking down the street or like on your everyday that easily to access.

00:09:48.000 I mean, people wouldn't, you know what I mean?

00:09:49.000 Like, it's kind of like not that weird that it's kind of big and something that you got to like be stationary with at home.

00:09:56.000 Yeah.

00:09:56.000 I think that actually saves...

00:09:58.000 Saves the world in some small way.

00:10:00.000 For a few years.

00:10:01.000 Yeah, until, like, you know, Apple figures it out to have it on your phone or something.

00:10:05.000 They're going to make it in, like, a Google Glass form, for sure.

00:10:08.000 Well, the Google Glass is, like, just a smaller version of that.

00:10:11.000 Yeah.

00:10:11.000 Except you can't, you know, you can't.

00:10:13.000 You swipe and stuff, but you can't really, like, manipulate the image in real time.

00:10:18.000 Have you played with it at all?

00:10:19.000 Yeah, I got one.

00:10:20.000 I got one.

00:10:20.000 It's, you know, it's cool.

00:10:22.000 I mean, I'm not going to.

00:10:23.000 I went out in the streets a couple times and I really noticed.

00:10:26.000 I actually tweeted about this.

00:10:28.000 I tweeted about it because it was so funny to me.

00:10:31.000 My experience going on public with Google Glass is people just really thought that I was either taking a picture of them or filming them and people were really concerned.

00:10:38.000 Because there's no recording lie and you can tell that there's a lens there.

00:10:43.000 And especially once people ask you what it is and you say Google Glass, people have heard about it, they're like, are you filming me?

00:10:48.000 And I thought it was interesting because this is something that you might see a celebrity freak out because they're getting photographed or filmed trying to live their lives and do something with their families.

00:10:59.000 Try to have some privacy and then the public really doesn't understand why they might freak out and why that might be intrusive.

00:11:05.000 But, you know, it's a funny twist for me to walk in a place and all of a sudden someone's like, oh, are you filming me?

00:11:10.000 Or, whoa, whoa, whoa, like, what are you doing?

00:11:12.000 And it's just like, no, I'm not filming a random person that's intrusive because I understand that that's intrusive.

00:11:18.000 But it's a potential option for the future.

00:11:20.000 That's what's weird about it.

00:11:21.000 But it was interesting to just see, like, that was...

00:11:25.000 Besides people being like, ooh, it's cool.

00:11:27.000 Can I try it?

00:11:28.000 It was just like, are you filming me?

00:11:29.000 Like, are you filming me or are you taking a picture?

00:11:31.000 And how am I supposed to know that you're telling me the truth?

00:11:33.000 Right.

00:11:34.000 You know?

00:11:34.000 Yeah.

00:11:35.000 Because you could just be lying and then even if I take it off, it cuts off.

00:11:38.000 So it's not like you could see what I'm seeing when I'm doing it.

00:11:41.000 Well, they have little cameras.

00:11:42.000 Remember, Stanhope had that Fox show.

00:11:44.000 Way back then, they had little cameras that would go on glasses, like in the eyebrow part of a glass.

00:11:50.000 And he put his glasses on, and he would walk into some place and do these pranks.

00:11:54.000 And the film was good enough to put on television.

00:11:56.000 Yeah.

00:11:57.000 And that was a long time ago.

00:11:58.000 Yeah.

00:11:59.000 I mean, you can film stuff and put it up on your Twitter through the Google Glass and the photos are pretty quality.

00:12:04.000 I've done it a couple times.

00:12:05.000 Wow.

00:12:06.000 It's going to get crazier than that, right?

00:12:07.000 It's going to get to some point where you're going to be able to put contact lenses on or something like that.

00:12:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:12.000 Yeah.

00:12:12.000 You know?

00:12:13.000 But I don't know if I'm...

00:12:14.000 I mean, that's...

00:12:15.000 That's wild, man. 1.00

00:12:16.000 Iron Man shit with contact lenses. 1.00

00:12:19.000 And they all have their own, like, they get charged with solar power. 1.00

00:12:22.000 Yeah.

00:12:23.000 Because your eyes are always open.

00:12:24.000 Yeah.

00:12:24.000 Right?

00:12:25.000 So your eyes are getting constant solar energy, right?

00:12:27.000 Technology in my eye, though.

00:12:28.000 I don't know if I want to do that.

00:12:29.000 Yeah, I definitely don't want it right now.

00:12:31.000 But if it's awesome.

00:12:32.000 In the future, you might be changing your mind.

00:12:35.000 Yeah, if everybody has it, it's awesome.

00:12:37.000 Yeah.

00:12:38.000 You know, I mean, I would have always been tied to a phone just because it's so dope.

00:12:42.000 Like, to have a phone is an incredible thing.

00:12:44.000 I'd rather have a cyborg arm before I have contact.

00:12:48.000 A cyborg arm?

00:12:49.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:12:50.000 See, the real thing about the cyborg arm that really freaks me out, this is no bullshit, it really does kind of freak me out.

00:12:57.000 We watched this video once of a dude from Australia that got his arm and his leg bit off.

00:13:01.000 I think I've seen that exactly.

00:13:02.000 You've seen it?

00:13:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:03.000 It's amazing.

00:13:04.000 So this guy had no arm and no leg, but he walked without a limp, and his hands moved around.

00:13:08.000 I mean, it didn't move as good. 0.56

00:13:09.000 I mean, he probably couldn't play piano or something like that, but moved pretty goddamn good.

00:13:13.000 A lot better than the old ones that came with, like, the hook-style old ones.

00:13:17.000 And I was thinking, like, this guy is still a person, 100% human, but he has an artificial arm and an artificial leg.

00:13:24.000 Like, what if the shark bit everything but his head, and they took his head and they put it on an artificial body?

00:13:32.000 What would that be?

00:13:33.000 Is that still a person?

00:13:34.000 I guess it's a person because it's got a person's head.

00:13:36.000 But what if they said, listen, man, this transfer of your head to this artificial body is not working that good.

00:13:43.000 Your body's rejecting it.

00:13:45.000 Your head's rejecting the body.

00:13:46.000 But the good news is we can completely duplicate your brain and put it in this artificial head.

00:13:52.000 So it would be like your brain except better because it's never going to get old and it's not going to rot away.

00:13:57.000 Like, well, are you a person then?

00:13:59.000 No, because I think your soul is just gone at that point.

00:14:02.000 I would like to believe that too.

00:14:04.000 But imagine if that's how people were essentially created in the first place.

00:14:08.000 Just slow improvements.

00:14:11.000 What if they go, okay, we're going to take a snapshot of your brain right now because we're going to transfer it to this new body.

00:14:17.000 So anything after this point, you know, you're not going to remember.

00:14:21.000 So then for like 10 minutes before they like pull the plug on this body, you can just... 0.98

00:14:25.000 Abuse the person to death. 0.99

00:14:27.000 That's you. 1.00

00:14:27.000 You were thinking some ridiculous thing to do to your body, not the existential angst of dying and having no soul. 1.00

00:14:34.000 You're thinking about playing with someone's balls in their sleep. 1.00

00:14:36.000 And you're 40. Congratulations. 0.98

00:14:39.000 Speaking of cameras, Joe, I just got one added to my car.

00:14:42.000 So it records everything now that my car does, and it does it on GPS. And then when you watch it on your computer, it shows real-time Google Maps and like a 360 view almost of your car.

00:14:54.000 180 view of your front.

00:14:56.000 That's pretty interesting.

00:14:57.000 Yeah.

00:14:57.000 It's called Roadhog.

00:14:58.000 Hawk.

00:14:59.000 Hawk.

00:15:01.000 And what it does is you just put a memory card in there and it constantly records HD video.

00:15:05.000 Where are the cameras?

00:15:06.000 The camera is like this little box.

00:15:08.000 It looks like a baby radar detector that you just put underneath your, like behind your rear view mirror.

00:15:16.000 So you just put it on the windshield right there.

00:15:18.000 And you have to run power.

00:15:20.000 I just plug mine into my cigarette.

00:15:22.000 It connects to GPS and it records on a memory card.

00:15:25.000 Where's the cameras?

00:15:27.000 The camera has a wide-angle lens so it gets everything in your car, the front of your car, and it also gets sound.

00:15:34.000 Wow.

00:15:34.000 And it tracks everything.

00:15:36.000 I was just tired of driving around Hollywood, going to the comedy store every night, and then...

00:15:41.000 Almost getting in car accidents.

00:15:42.000 Crazy crackheads jumping in the street. 1.00

00:15:44.000 All this shit happening all the time. 1.00

00:15:46.000 Something's going to happen soon. 1.00

00:15:49.000 People have to see this.

00:15:50.000 In Russia, that's when they had those meteors.

00:15:53.000 They caught those.

00:15:54.000 That's how they caught them.

00:15:55.000 They caught them because those people have dash cams. 0.99

00:15:57.000 Apparently, fraud and that kind of shit, accident fraud, is super common in Russia. 0.98

00:16:04.000 They pull shady moves all the time. 0.99

00:16:06.000 A lot of people have those little cameras on their dash to make sure they can resolve disputes.

00:16:11.000 You know, like there was a thing that was going around in California for a while where people were suing people.

00:16:15.000 They would get in accidents on purpose.

00:16:17.000 A bunch of people died from it.

00:16:18.000 They'd get on the highway, get in front of you and slam on the brakes.

00:16:21.000 So you slam into them.

00:16:22.000 And this one dude who was an illegal alien, so it was like all the Republicans were up in arms.

00:16:28.000 One illegal alien does something shady. 0.99

00:16:31.000 Everybody freaks the fuck out. 0.55

00:16:32.000 But this...

00:16:34.000 This dude had done it a couple of times.

00:16:36.000 He'd done it a couple of times, and that was his move.

00:16:39.000 That's the way he made a lot of money.

00:16:40.000 Just get in front of people, slam on the brakes.

00:16:42.000 That's crazy. 0.99

00:16:43.000 Yeah, but that's a risky fucking move, too. 1.00

00:16:46.000 Shit. 1.00

00:16:46.000 Well, when you ain't got nothing to lose, it's like, fuck it. 1.00

00:16:48.000 Yeah, I guess. 1.00

00:16:49.000 It's just they're playing the lottery in the promised land.

00:16:52.000 It's just very, very strange.

00:16:54.000 That's the item?

00:16:55.000 That's the item.

00:16:55.000 See, right there is where you put the memory card in.

00:16:58.000 That's not that big.

00:16:59.000 It is kind of like, it's hard to tell perspective-wise.

00:17:02.000 It's a little radar detector.

00:17:04.000 It's like a cell phone size, basically.

00:17:07.000 I can barely even see my mind hidden behind my mirror.

00:17:10.000 Like a disposable camera.

00:17:12.000 That's probably the best way to describe it.

00:17:13.000 It's like a disposable camera.

00:17:14.000 And what's cool, it does like a DVR loop, like what security companies do, where they have to film everything, like a jewelry store or something.

00:17:21.000 When it gets to the end of the memory card, it just goes back to the beginning unless you pull it out and save the files.

00:17:27.000 It just records over.

00:17:28.000 It records everything over and over again.

00:17:30.000 How long before people start making porn with those?

00:17:32.000 I know.

00:17:34.000 But you know what?

00:17:34.000 It's also great.

00:17:35.000 It automatically turns on.

00:17:37.000 So if you give your card to a valet or something, you can hear what they're doing.

00:17:41.000 You can turn it around.

00:17:43.000 Nice.

00:17:44.000 That's the new web show.

00:17:45.000 That's what I'll get it for.

00:17:46.000 That's what I'm getting it for.

00:17:48.000 That's right.

00:17:48.000 Send me that link.

00:17:49.000 Valet porn. 0.91

00:17:51.000 Valets blowing each other in your car.

00:17:53.000 Oh no.

00:17:54.000 You get out to your car and you're like, what the hell? 0.58

00:17:56.000 Oh no.

00:17:58.000 I'm reviewing it right now.

00:18:00.000 I have a review website now.

00:18:02.000 You have a review website now?

00:18:03.000 Yeah, javalamps.com.

00:18:04.000 Oh, that's good.

00:18:06.000 It's good.

00:18:07.000 You stopped doing that for a while.

00:18:08.000 Yeah, because I lost my Amazon account.

00:18:11.000 How does that work, man?

00:18:13.000 Did you ever try to get it back?

00:18:14.000 Yeah, I tried three times with my LLC social security number or whatever the business ID number.

00:18:21.000 I tried with them so it was completely away from me.

00:18:24.000 I tried everything and finally they just let me through because Of this java lamps thing.

00:18:30.000 So they did let you through?

00:18:31.000 They just finally did after about four years of not letting me do it.

00:18:35.000 Is it because you changed the name of your website?

00:18:37.000 I guess so.

00:18:38.000 Website and everything.

00:18:39.000 I don't know.

00:18:40.000 How annoying.

00:18:41.000 Yeah.

00:18:42.000 It seems like there was a weird thing.

00:18:45.000 It was like they're upset at you because you're connected to porn, right?

00:18:48.000 Because I had porn stars on Death Squad. 0.99

00:18:50.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.99

00:18:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:18:52.000 There's nothing wrong with porn stars.

00:18:54.000 Nothing.

00:18:56.000 Don't they sell porn? 0.52

00:18:58.000 I mean, if you go to Amazon.com, don't they sell porn? 0.86

00:19:01.000 Yeah.

00:19:01.000 They sell vibrators, they sell Hitachis.

00:19:04.000 By the way, did you see Missy Martinez, our friend Missy, who does Kill Tony with us a lot of times? 1.00

00:19:09.000 She was on TMZ because her Hitachi blew up in her pussy. 1.00

00:19:13.000 No! 1.00

00:19:14.000 No! 1.00

00:19:18.000 Okay, did it really blow up in her pussy, or did she blow it up in her pussy and make it the equivalent to the Mexican dude slamming on his brakes on the highway? 1.00

00:19:28.000 Was it the vibrator equivalent? 1.00

00:19:33.000 To the breaking crash?

00:19:35.000 What happened is it started sparking and flames and smoke started coming out of it.

00:19:39.000 Is there footage? 0.99

00:19:40.000 Did she start screaming, yeah, the pussy's that good. 1.00

00:19:43.000 That's why it's sparking. 1.00

00:19:45.000 Oh, no!

00:19:46.000 There's the Hitachi, though.

00:19:47.000 And what's weird is that there's nothing new about this.

00:19:50.000 If you look online, there's tons of Hitachis blowing up in porn stars. 1.00

00:19:55.000 What? 0.97

00:19:55.000 Yeah, because it's the only vibrator that you plug into a wall. 0.97

00:19:59.000 So it's like... 0.99

00:20:00.000 It's like the dumbest, like, because it's really for your back, because it's supposed to be high-powered, but, like, girls are getting so numb down there that they're using these Hitachis, these high-powered ones that just, like, shave off the walls of their vagina. 1.00

00:20:12.000 They can't just do it anymore! 1.00

00:20:13.000 They ain't cutting it!

00:20:16.000 Oh, my God!

00:20:17.000 They take things to the next level.

00:20:19.000 It's just like when we were talking about bodybuilders of, like, the 1960s in comparison to the bodybuilders today. 0.99

00:20:24.000 I think it's the same way with, like, the way girls beat on their pussies. 1.00

00:20:28.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:20:28.000 I bet in the old days, just a little spit in your fingers. 1.00

00:20:32.000 They didn't need anything.

00:20:33.000 They didn't need anything. 0.99

00:20:35.000 Their vaginas were super sensitive. 1.00

00:20:37.000 Technology fucked things up. 0.99

00:20:38.000 So did circumcision fuck things up for us. 1.00

00:20:41.000 Apparently, if you don't have a foreskin, the head of your dick gets, like, kind of just abused. 1.00

00:20:47.000 It's always bouncing around inside your underwear. 0.99

00:20:50.000 Having a foreskin, the reason why men are upset, not just the fact that it's ritual genital mutilation that doesn't make any sense, but also that it kills the sensitivity in your dick. 0.99

00:21:01.000 Yeah, but I mean, that's great. 1.00

00:21:04.000 Wouldn't you like your dick to look like Clint Eastwood and not like fucking Ryan Seacrest or something? 1.00

00:21:09.000 That doesn't make any sense. 1.00

00:21:10.000 Because you're beating the tip of your dick up. 1.00

00:21:12.000 I mean, if you look at your dick, it looks like... 1.00

00:21:14.000 If you're beating up your dick and it looks like Clint Eastwood today... 1.00

00:21:18.000 Are you talking about Clint Eastwood from the fucking Outlaw Josie Wales days? 0.99

00:21:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.98

00:21:22.000 Are you talking spaghetti westerns? 0.98

00:21:24.000 No, no.

00:21:24.000 I'm talking about porch one.

00:21:25.000 The handsome Clint Eastwood.

00:21:27.000 Not the crazy looking old man.

00:21:29.000 Yeah, get off my porch. 0.96

00:21:29.000 That talks to Obama. 0.96

00:21:31.000 Yeah.

00:21:32.000 Well, he talked to Obama.

00:21:33.000 Do you remember that?

00:21:35.000 Get off my porch. 1.00

00:21:36.000 Do you remember that shit that he did on TV where he sat Obama down? 1.00

00:21:40.000 No. 1.00

00:21:40.000 You didn't see it? 1.00

00:21:41.000 No.

00:21:41.000 Oh, you should watch it.

00:21:42.000 You should watch it.

00:21:43.000 We'll pull this up.

00:21:45.000 Dude, yeah, we'll pull it up.

00:21:45.000 This was recent?

00:21:47.000 Oh my God, it was during the presidential elections.

00:21:49.000 He pretended to sit Obama down on stage and improv'd it.

00:21:54.000 Didn't have anything poignant to say, but improv'd it.

00:21:57.000 It was so incredibly disrespectful. 0.99

00:22:00.000 It was so ridiculous. 0.98

00:22:00.000 But he was just pretending to have a conversation with him? 0.98

00:22:02.000 He sat him down below him.

00:22:04.000 He didn't just have a conversation.

00:22:06.000 He wasn't like pretending to have a conversation with Obama where they're looking eye to eye like men.

00:22:10.000 No.

00:22:10.000 He sat him down in a chair and started talking.

00:22:14.000 It was the strangest fucking thing ever. 0.99

00:22:16.000 This is it here. 0.99

00:22:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:18.000 He was having that thing, and they were talking about hope and change, and they were talking about, yes we can, and it was dark, and outdoors, and it was nice, and people were lighting candles, and they were saying, you know, and I just thought,

00:22:34.000 this is great.

00:22:34.000 I mean, everybody's crying, Oprah was crying, and I was even crying.

00:22:42.000 And then finally, I haven't cried that hard since, I found out that there's 23 million unemployed people in this country.

00:22:58.000 Wait, you sat him down here?

00:23:00.000 Yeah.

00:23:01.000 Yeah.

00:23:02.000 Where is he sitting?

00:23:04.000 I'm home tomorrow morning.

00:23:06.000 No, you gotta back it up, because that's the chair.

00:23:08.000 He puts him down in the chair.

00:23:12.000 No, no, no, back it up a little bit more.

00:23:14.000 Possibly, now it may be time for somebody else to come along and solve the problem.

00:23:28.000 So...

00:23:29.000 So, Mr. President...

00:23:35.000 How do you handle promises that you've made when you were running for election?

00:23:43.000 And how do you handle it?

00:23:46.000 I mean, what do you say to people?

00:23:48.000 Do you just, you know, I know people were wondering, you don't have it.

00:23:58.000 Well, I know even some of the people in your own party were very disappointed when you didn't close Gitmo.

00:24:04.000 And I thought, well, I think closing Gitmo, why close that?

00:24:08.000 We spent so much money on it.

00:24:10.000 But I thought maybe it's an excuse. 0.97

00:24:16.000 What do you mean, shut up?

00:24:21.000 I thought it was just because somebody had... 0.96

00:24:23.000 You want to watch the whole thing?

00:24:24.000 No!

00:24:24.000 It's worse than I remembered.

00:24:26.000 It's worse than I remembered. 0.99

00:24:28.000 I remembered it being bad, but holy shit. 0.94

00:24:31.000 I like how CNN jumped to the MTV camera where they're in the audience and it's all shaky to try to make it more entertaining. 0.97

00:24:38.000 Oh my god. 0.98

00:24:40.000 So ridiculous. 1.00

00:24:41.000 What the hell is he doing? 1.00

00:24:42.000 He's being an old dude. 1.00

00:24:44.000 That's what he's doing.

00:24:45.000 Being an old Republican dude.

00:24:47.000 They get all crusty.

00:24:49.000 Conservative.

00:24:51.000 They don't like the youth, the young of America, like yourself. 0.58

00:24:55.000 Didn't he just do that movie?

00:24:57.000 Didn't he just do that movie, though?

00:24:58.000 What was it?

00:25:01.000 The movie you were just talking about.

00:25:03.000 About the immigrants?

00:25:03.000 He was really pissed about people being on his porch.

00:25:05.000 Yeah.

00:25:07.000 What was that movie called again?

00:25:08.000 I don't know.

00:25:09.000 It was named after a vehicle.

00:25:12.000 El Camino.

00:25:12.000 No, that's...

00:25:13.000 El Camino is...

00:25:15.000 El Camino.

00:25:16.000 That's Bumblebee. 0.89

00:25:17.000 Gran Turismo.

00:25:18.000 El Camino is the Grand...

00:25:19.000 No, the Black Keys.

00:25:20.000 The Black Keys have a CD called El Camino.

00:25:23.000 Yeah.

00:25:24.000 Don't they?

00:25:24.000 I think so, yeah.

00:25:25.000 Yeah.

00:25:27.000 Yeah, El Torino.

00:25:29.000 Whatever it was.

00:25:30.000 El Torino.

00:25:31.000 Gran Torino.

00:25:32.000 Gran Torino.

00:25:34.000 I said that.

00:25:35.000 Did I? No.

00:25:36.000 I had a friend whose girlfriend had one of those cars way back in the day. 0.98

00:25:39.000 That was a goofy-ass car.

00:25:41.000 That was back in America, just made these houses on wheels. 0.97

00:25:45.000 They made a living room. 0.99

00:25:46.000 They just drove around in these big old fucking crazy American cars, man. 0.99

00:25:52.000 Yeah, that was a movie about what? 1.00

00:25:55.000 It was like about immigrants, wasn't it? 1.00

00:25:57.000 I don't know if it was people moving in his neighborhood.

00:26:00.000 I've just seen the previews.

00:26:02.000 I just remember seeing that in the preview and being really pissed about kids being on this porch.

00:26:06.000 Yeah, that's all I remember too.

00:26:08.000 But I mean, I was sold.

00:26:09.000 I mean, I wanted to see it.

00:26:10.000 I just never got around to it.

00:26:11.000 Maybe I'll check it out. 0.99

00:26:12.000 Um, I think you got better shit to do with your time. 0.99

00:26:15.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:26:16.000 Seeing Clint Eastwood being pissed about people being on his front porch.

00:26:19.000 I mean, he had a shotgun in his hand, too.

00:26:22.000 I remember that.

00:26:22.000 He was on my porch.

00:26:23.000 Well, do you remember when Clint Eastwood did a reality show?

00:26:26.000 A lot of people don't remember that.

00:26:27.000 Who's this?

00:26:29.000 Yeah, Clint Eastwood's wife was on a reality show before he got divorced.

00:26:33.000 He divorced her.

00:26:34.000 But she was on a reality show.

00:26:36.000 And it was like some knucklehead show. 0.99

00:26:39.000 It was ridiculous. 0.80

00:26:39.000 But was he on episodes? 0.80

00:26:41.000 I don't remember if he was on it.

00:26:42.000 I never watched it.

00:26:44.000 But, yeah.

00:26:45.000 It's one of those things.

00:26:46.000 Where, like, the wife wanted to do it, and he was like, oh...

00:26:49.000 Okay. 0.71

00:26:52.000 He finds himself in some ridiculous situation.

00:26:55.000 Have you ever met him?

00:26:56.000 No.

00:26:56.000 I always see him in Bourbon, because I think he has a studio at Warner Brothers, so he's always walking on the sidewalk out there, and it's weird just driving by going...

00:27:04.000 Dude, that guy gives a pass for life for me, for The Unforgiven.

00:27:08.000 That, I think, is the greatest cowboy movie of all time.

00:27:11.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:27:11.000 That shit was so realistic. 1.00

00:27:14.000 So dope. 1.00

00:27:15.000 That was such a good, scary-ass cowboy movie. 0.61

00:27:17.000 That was Clint Eastwood in its finest.

00:27:19.000 Yeah.

00:27:20.000 I just love how he's just like, I don't live like that no more.

00:27:24.000 The whole movie's just like, I'm not that guy.

00:27:27.000 I love it.

00:27:28.000 And then they just dragged him in.

00:27:29.000 Spoiler alert.

00:27:30.000 Oh yeah, let's not tell him.

00:27:31.000 But he's like one of those dudes that becomes this old guy and then he becomes like super duper conservative.

00:27:37.000 Yeah.

00:27:37.000 You know, there's a bunch of those guys.

00:27:39.000 Like Cosby's a guy like that.

00:27:40.000 He's like super duper conservative now.

00:27:42.000 John Voight.

00:27:43.000 Yeah.

00:27:44.000 You know?

00:27:44.000 I mean, that movie though is one of my favorites.

00:27:47.000 Especially Morgan Freeman too.

00:27:49.000 One of my favorite Morgan Freeman movies. 1.00

00:27:50.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:27:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:27:52.000 Yeah, man.

00:27:53.000 That was just a perfect movie.

00:27:55.000 The dialogue.

00:27:56.000 Everything.

00:27:56.000 Yeah.

00:27:57.000 Just the way, I mean, I don't want to give away the ending, but the way it all goes down, so much more likely than most of those stupid shoot-'em-up movies. 0.99

00:28:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.97

00:28:07.000 That was much more probably like how the way people would behave.

00:28:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:13.000 It ended up getting messy in there, but I like how it kind of just started off like real chill, and you kind of just, you know, oh, hey.

00:28:21.000 Yeah.

00:28:22.000 I'm here.

00:28:23.000 Yeah.

00:28:23.000 Yeah, that was a fascinating look at the Old West.

00:28:26.000 That was almost like he did all those Westerns back in the day, like the good, the bad, and the ugly, and fun movies, but they weren't super realistic.

00:28:36.000 And I think as he got older, I mean, I'm just speculating, but he wanted to do one more that really got it right, like the way they make movies today as opposed to the way they made movies back in High Plains Drifter days.

00:28:49.000 Did you see True Grit?

00:28:50.000 Yeah, I saw both.

00:28:51.000 I saw the old one and the new one.

00:28:53.000 It was not bad.

00:28:54.000 The new one.

00:28:54.000 It was not bad.

00:28:55.000 It was not a bad movie.

00:28:56.000 I liked it.

00:28:56.000 It's just, whenever you have a movie where you're redoing an old movie, people are harsh, you know?

00:29:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:03.000 I mean, but, you know, I feel like it kind of brought some of that realness that Unforgiven had.

00:29:08.000 Yeah, it definitely did.

00:29:10.000 Yeah.

00:29:11.000 It was a good movie, for sure. 0.99

00:29:14.000 There was a lot of fun shit going on in that movie, but goddamn, man, remaking a John Wayne movie is hard. 0.99

00:29:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:29:20.000 I mean, you know, Hollywood, they do what they can. 0.98

00:29:23.000 I mean, it wasn't like, you know, most of the shit that comes out that gets regurgitated, you know? 0.99

00:29:28.000 It's gotta be hard to make movies, man. 0.98

00:29:29.000 You know, one of the beautiful things about...

00:29:31.000 Do you write all your own lyrics?

00:29:32.000 Yes, thank God.

00:29:34.000 I've been blessed with that ability.

00:29:35.000 A lot of guys don't.

00:29:37.000 See, think of that. 1.00

00:29:38.000 Just think of that, how happy you are that you write on your own shit. 1.00

00:29:41.000 And imagine, you're a one-man situation. 0.99

00:29:45.000 If you want the Kid Cudi experience, you only go through one door.

00:29:48.000 There's no one else there.

00:29:49.000 So they go to you.

00:29:50.000 But you don't have to worry about...

00:29:54.000 The producer getting along with the director, getting along with the actor.

00:29:58.000 The network has notes.

00:29:59.000 The studio, rather, has notes about the script.

00:30:01.000 The screenwriter wants to change this, and the actor wants to improv that. 0.98

00:30:07.000 You're managing it out with a fucking makeup lady who's fucking the hairdresser, and everybody's doing blow after the set's closed down. 1.00

00:30:15.000 It's craziness, man. 0.99

00:30:17.000 Making a movie's got to be really hard.

00:30:19.000 It can go down like that in music, though, too.

00:30:21.000 My career is just purely my vision and stuff, so it's a little unorthodox than what most people do.

00:30:29.000 The average pop star, it might be about six people involved just to get the album together.

00:30:37.000 Somebody to get songwriters, somebody to get producers in the room.

00:30:42.000 And then there could be chemistry's off.

00:30:44.000 This person might not mess with this writer, and this producer might not mess with this artist, and there's all this going on.

00:30:50.000 I'm pretty sure it gets messy, but I've just been blessed not to deal with that.

00:30:54.000 I had an idea of what I wanted my career to be, and I've been sticking to that goal and that plan.

00:31:02.000 What was the idea, if you could give us one line of it?

00:31:05.000 Man, I really just truthfully wanted to tell my story and hopefully it inspired others to not feel alone, you know, and understanding they could persevere through anything, you know. 0.96

00:31:15.000 At that time, I like to tell people I don't even know if I believed half of the shit I wrote.

00:31:21.000 You know, like when I made Pursuit of Happiness, I was hopeful for happiness, but I was in such a dark place that that song for me was more of a nightmare more than, you know, supposed to be a happy, uplifting song. 0.94

00:31:32.000 You were in a dark place, how so?

00:31:35.000 We'll just, like, I think come into terms with just the fame factor.

00:31:40.000 You know, I always felt like I would get some type of recognition, you know?

00:31:44.000 I didn't know to what magnitude.

00:31:47.000 You know, people say, like, oh, you know what you signed up for, but, like...

00:31:51.000 We really don't.

00:31:53.000 You kind of have an idea and you feel like, oh, it'd be cool.

00:31:56.000 But I still to this day, I don't look in the mirror and see myself how other people see me.

00:32:02.000 So I never could prepare myself for what came.

00:32:06.000 And everything came so fast.

00:32:09.000 So that brought on darkness?

00:32:11.000 Yeah, because I wasn't comfortable.

00:32:14.000 I was in a place where it was all this pressure all of a sudden to be something.

00:32:22.000 And to deliver, you know, a certain type of quality.

00:32:25.000 These are things that I've stepped up to the plate and I was excited about doing.

00:32:30.000 But I didn't know that it would stress me out to that magnitude that it did, you know?

00:32:35.000 I just didn't know that many people would be watching and paying attention or care that much, you know?

00:32:40.000 What was the number one consequence?

00:32:43.000 I just think...

00:32:46.000 I didn't see it being too big of a consequence that I couldn't deal with, you know, losing a lot of my freedom.

00:32:53.000 But now that I have a daughter, you know, I just worry more about her now, you know?

00:32:58.000 And I just want her to have a normal life and I want her to... 0.94

00:33:02.000 You know, have that opportunity.

00:33:04.000 And now I think about it more now than I did then.

00:33:08.000 Right.

00:33:08.000 Before she was born.

00:33:09.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:33:10.000 Yeah, I have children.

00:33:12.000 When you have children, it really becomes more about them than it does even about you in a lot of ways.

00:33:18.000 Because it's like the way you live your life is now always going to be like, what's the best way for them?

00:33:23.000 Right.

00:33:23.000 And if it's not that way, you're going to feel sick.

00:33:26.000 Right.

00:33:26.000 You're going to feel like you're doing something wrong.

00:33:28.000 Exactly.

00:33:29.000 Right.

00:33:29.000 It's a weird situation when you bring people into this world.

00:33:32.000 You're responsible for little tiny people. 1.00

00:33:35.000 You gotta teach them shit and raise them. 1.00

00:33:38.000 It's really hard. 1.00

00:33:39.000 I mean, I wouldn't say no one, because I think people are capable of intellectualizing it, but most people have no idea, I should put it that way, how intense the love a person has for their kid is.

00:33:50.000 It's pretty intense.

00:33:52.000 Yeah.

00:33:52.000 I mean, it's something that, you know, you have to have.

00:33:56.000 You have to have a child to experience.

00:33:59.000 You know, you can't explain it.

00:34:00.000 You know, it's just, I mean, my daughter is, man, she's everything, man.

00:34:05.000 It's also why, like, when you see kids that are abused, it's so extra disturbing.

00:34:10.000 Yeah.

00:34:10.000 Because it's almost unimaginable.

00:34:12.000 Who would do that?

00:34:13.000 Yeah.

00:34:14.000 Who would do that to anyone's kid and who would do that to their own kid? 0.99

00:34:17.000 It's just, you know, I've met people that their parents beat them and it's a fucking weird place to be. 0.98

00:34:22.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:34:22.000 To talk to someone who, the person they love more than anything beats the shit out of them when they do something wrong. 0.97

00:34:28.000 Oh yeah.

00:34:29.000 You know?

00:34:30.000 And there's the difference between a whooping and a beating.

00:34:32.000 Well, this Adrian Pugh thing, this NFL thing, the guy who beat his kid with a stick, you know, the excuses that, I guess, like when he was young, that's how they treated him.

00:34:44.000 That's how he was raised.

00:34:46.000 I don't know what the kid did that was so horrible.

00:34:48.000 How old was this kid, do you know?

00:34:49.000 Man, I don't even be reading into that stuff.

00:34:51.000 He's really young, right?

00:34:52.000 Like nine or something like that?

00:34:53.000 Well, whatever it was.

00:34:56.000 When, you know, when they talk about it, they say, well, this is the way he grew up.

00:34:59.000 Which is true, but man, there's got to be a way to end that cycle.

00:35:02.000 You can't be beating kids with sticks in 2014. I mean, everybody should know that by now.

00:35:07.000 I just think it's a cop-out for people to use that as an excuse.

00:35:09.000 We're like, that's how I was raised.

00:35:11.000 Even, like, just with anything.

00:35:13.000 You know, because that's just a cop-out.

00:35:14.000 That's just somebody not wanting to change and grow with the times.

00:35:17.000 I mean...

00:35:18.000 If we can find any way to be less violent, we should try it.

00:35:21.000 Yeah, certainly anything where there's victims involved.

00:35:24.000 Especially if the victim's a little kid.

00:35:27.000 By the way, if you get kids used to the idea that the person they love the most, their parents, is a person who's going to beat them and hit them with things, you are introducing violence into that kid's life at a very early age.

00:35:40.000 And that violence becomes a natural part of the world.

00:35:43.000 It becomes something to expect.

00:35:45.000 That's why they say that people who are around their parents beating each other up are more likely to be involved in abusive relationships when they get older.

00:35:54.000 They say that people who are hit by their parents or people who watch their parents hit each other and were hit by their parents, it's even worse, apparently.

00:36:02.000 It's awful.

00:36:03.000 Yeah, I mean, who's to say?

00:36:05.000 I mean, my mom spanked us, you know, but she had three boys to deal with by herself the majority of the time, you know? 0.98

00:36:12.000 And I mean, it's not like, you know, I don't, you know, look at my mom as a villain and, you know, but she didn't beat us.

00:36:20.000 I can't say, like, I've been beaten by my mom. 0.99

00:36:22.000 Like, when I did some hoe-ass shit, you know, my mom reprimanded me and I... You know when you're doing some sucker shit as a kid, you know, especially before you do it. 0.99

00:36:32.000 You know that there's a consequence that comes with that, but I've never experienced that, you know, what I'm pretty sure a lot of people are talking about right now, which is like thinking it's okay to beat up on your kids. 0.99

00:36:46.000 Like, my daughter's four and a half.

00:36:48.000 I haven't had to reprimand her in that way, and I never will.

00:36:52.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:36:52.000 That's just not how I do.

00:36:54.000 I think it's a different situation, too, when you've got a single mom dealing with young sons. 0.99

00:36:58.000 Like, shit can get really unruly. 0.99

00:37:00.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 1.00

00:37:02.000 Totally different.

00:37:03.000 But even with that, they weren't beatings.

00:37:06.000 Right.

00:37:07.000 It's a reprimand.

00:37:07.000 Yeah, it's like a difference.

00:37:09.000 Yeah, that is a big difference.

00:37:11.000 And that's something that people don't like to admit, right?

00:37:14.000 It's never good to beat your kids.

00:37:16.000 But if you're a young woman who's raising young boys and they don't respect you...

00:37:21.000 You get the pass. 1.00

00:37:22.000 Shit. 1.00

00:37:23.000 I got yardsticked. 1.00

00:37:25.000 You got yardsticked?

00:37:26.000 Yeah, my mom had a yardstick. 1.00

00:37:27.000 Where'd she hit ya? 1.00

00:37:28.000 On my ass, but it never hurt. 1.00

00:37:30.000 Like, she would smack and I'm like, oh, okay, I deserve that. 1.00

00:37:32.000 Right.

00:37:33.000 It's more humiliating.

00:37:34.000 It's not like strip down naked.

00:37:36.000 No.

00:37:37.000 You know, after you're out the shower, catch you off guard, you know? 0.97

00:37:42.000 Take the yardstick, it's aluminum, heat it on fire until it's fucking white hot. 0.97

00:37:47.000 No. 1.00

00:37:48.000 I saw a video of these fucking idiots. 1.00

00:37:50.000 One kid put an iron, a hot iron. 1.00

00:37:53.000 They lost a bet.

00:37:54.000 The kid lost a bet.

00:37:55.000 So he put a hot iron on his back, like, and left a mark.

00:37:58.000 Left an iron mark.

00:37:59.000 Oh, that's for life, too.

00:38:01.000 Yeah.

00:38:01.000 That's not going to...

00:38:02.000 Most likely. 1.00

00:38:04.000 Fucking doofy college kids, man. 0.99

00:38:07.000 Kids today. 1.00

00:38:08.000 And kids today that are trying to make videos of all this shit, too. 0.99

00:38:11.000 That's like half the thing. 1.00

00:38:12.000 They're making videos while they're doing the stupid shit. 1.00

00:38:15.000 That's the motivation. 1.00

00:38:16.000 It's like, let's show people how fucking idiotic we can be. 1.00

00:38:19.000 We're lucky more people aren't dead. 1.00

00:38:22.000 Seems like people would just be killing themselves accidentally left and right trying to make these fucking videos. 1.00

00:38:26.000 Did you see that video? 0.99

00:38:27.000 I'm not sure if it's 100% real or not, but the girl boils water and then films her He's taking this huge thing of boiling water and pouring it over a dude's head, and there's pictures of him.

00:38:38.000 He's been in the hospital with all these burns all over his body. 0.97

00:38:41.000 Are you fucking kidding me? 0.98

00:38:42.000 Yeah, just from a video. 0.99

00:38:42.000 Was this like the ALS? Yeah, it was like Ice Bucket Challenge, but boiling water. 0.99

00:38:46.000 Are you serious?

00:38:47.000 Yeah, I'm totally serious.

00:38:48.000 I'll find it for you.

00:38:49.000 No, I don't want to watch that. 1.00

00:38:51.000 Oh my God, people are so stupid. 1.00

00:38:53.000 I bet it's probably real. 1.00

00:38:54.000 I mean, I don't know if it's real, but I bet it's probably real. 1.00

00:38:57.000 People are dumb as shit, man. 1.00

00:38:59.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:38:59.000 That saddens me. 1.00

00:39:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:02.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:39:03.000 That's not cool. 1.00

00:39:04.000 Yeah, you can overhear some conversations that'll make you lose your faith in humanity.

00:39:08.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:39:08.000 Imagine if you were there in their goofy-ass backyard by thinking about throwing boiling water on this kid. 0.96

00:39:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:14.000 You'd be like, you know, that is going to fuck you up for the rest of your life. 0.99

00:39:18.000 You're going to be covered in scars. 1.00

00:39:20.000 That might as well be lava, you idiot. 1.00

00:39:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:23.000 Your life has changed forever after that.

00:39:26.000 Yeah, I mean, at the very least, it's going to be some pretty significant scarring, right?

00:39:30.000 Boiling water?

00:39:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:31.000 The medical bills for that, you know?

00:39:33.000 Just the pain, suffering, just for one stupid-ass video where people can think you're an idiot. 1.00

00:39:38.000 And have scar tissue on your face for the rest of your life because of it. 1.00

00:39:41.000 Oh, God.

00:39:41.000 So were these kids, you know, were they reprimanded?

00:39:46.000 Yeah, it didn't really get into that point.

00:39:47.000 It just showed the video of the girl doing it, boiling the water, and then...

00:39:52.000 So this didn't make the news?

00:39:54.000 No, I think it made the news because there was a photo of him later where he's just sitting there all burnt and bandaged up. 0.99

00:40:00.000 His whole body's all fucked up. 1.00

00:40:01.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:40:03.000 What is this desire to make these fucking goofy videos? 1.00

00:40:06.000 It's horrible. 0.99

00:40:07.000 And bullying now has taken it to the next level because kids are all filming I'm like, they're going bowling?

00:40:22.000 They're going bowling.

00:40:23.000 I thought there was a new thing where you roll in a fetal position and knock people down like pins.

00:40:28.000 I was really trying to figure out what you were saying.

00:40:31.000 But yeah, people are taking videos of them beating up other kids and then putting it online and sharing it around the class and stuff.

00:40:38.000 So now you just see these videos of these poor kids getting bullied.

00:40:41.000 Well, how are these kids not getting in trouble?

00:40:42.000 I mean, can't they pay for parents?

00:40:43.000 They are.

00:40:44.000 They are now.

00:40:44.000 But the acts are already being done.

00:40:47.000 Yeah.

00:40:48.000 We live in weird times.

00:40:49.000 Weird times.

00:40:50.000 It's like what we were talking about earlier, about people worrying about your Google Glasses recording them.

00:40:55.000 They're recording everything.

00:40:56.000 And kids are growing up with that.

00:40:58.000 It's like a normal part of life.

00:41:01.000 When you first got into the internet, would you say you were in your late high school days when you really started getting into it?

00:41:09.000 Yeah, yeah, because that was, I mean, we ain't had no computer.

00:41:12.000 You're 30 now.

00:41:13.000 We ain't had no computer except at the schoolhouse, so that was the only time, and then you couldn't really explore that much, you know?

00:41:21.000 There wasn't much out there.

00:41:22.000 Because, well, there was stuff out there, but, I mean, the teachers kept it restricted, you know?

00:41:27.000 There were certain sites you couldn't go to, and, you know, you couldn't watch porn and stuff, which was a big bummer back then.

00:41:33.000 This was a big bummer.

00:41:34.000 Can they do that?

00:41:35.000 They can block stuff now in schools, right?

00:41:37.000 Do they block stuff at like universities?

00:41:39.000 I'm sure they do.

00:41:39.000 They have to, man.

00:41:40.000 I mean, the internet is just so much more on there now than there was back then.

00:41:43.000 But do they allow like porn sites, like in dorms?

00:41:46.000 Can kids download porn?

00:41:48.000 Well, I mean, you don't even have to go to a site no more.

00:41:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:53.000 Well, yeah, I mean, you don't.

00:41:54.000 But you could always just download it, right?

00:41:56.000 From like a torrent?

00:41:57.000 Well, you could just Google porn and it'll be right there.

00:42:00.000 Right, that's true.

00:42:02.000 Yeah, but I was just wondering like...

00:42:03.000 I'm giving out tips, guys.

00:42:05.000 Take these.

00:42:06.000 What's your favorite sign?

00:42:07.000 You just googled it and it's right there!

00:42:09.000 It's there!

00:42:10.000 Which camera do I look at?

00:42:11.000 Which one is mine?

00:42:12.000 The one behind you.

00:42:13.000 Right here.

00:42:14.000 No.

00:42:17.000 It's right there.

00:42:18.000 It is right there.

00:42:19.000 Dude, you're a natural pitchman for the internet.

00:42:22.000 Yeah.

00:42:22.000 You should be like the internet's official spokesperson.

00:42:24.000 Man, they need to hit me up.

00:42:26.000 Let's go.

00:42:26.000 So you, you know, getting out of high school and then growing up, like, essentially, like, young teens, your 20s, all that, like, being able to, like, get online at school and then being, like, completely immersed, like, being a part of, like, interactive communities,

00:42:42.000 talking to people...

00:42:44.000 You're one of the first generations of musicians that's able to do that, that's able to go directly from high school into communicating online with people, releasing stuff online, and then...

00:42:58.000 You know, becoming a part of this first generation.

00:43:01.000 There's a bunch now.

00:43:02.000 There's like a lot of artists that are becoming really well known because of just interacting with people online.

00:43:08.000 Not even putting out any music.

00:43:10.000 Just being online and, you know, whatever, having an identity on the internet, you know?

00:43:16.000 Yeah, there's that too, right?

00:43:17.000 That's something that people value about you as well.

00:43:20.000 It's not just that they like your music.

00:43:22.000 They like you.

00:43:23.000 They like to talk to you.

00:43:25.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:43:25.000 You've got a cool personality.

00:43:27.000 Thank you.

00:43:29.000 You're a cool guy on social media.

00:43:31.000 You're yourself.

00:43:32.000 Yeah.

00:43:33.000 I think it's important, though...

00:43:36.000 I think it is my job and my calling to also show the world a different type of person in the position that I'm in.

00:43:46.000 Someone isn't really big into conforming.

00:43:52.000 Because of my job.

00:43:54.000 Because of the people around me.

00:43:56.000 Because of the people I work with.

00:43:58.000 I always tell people I'm a human being first before anything.

00:44:01.000 You're born naked.

00:44:02.000 You go in a really nice suit.

00:44:04.000 And everything that happens in between is just madness.

00:44:06.000 And we figure it out along the way.

00:44:09.000 But, you know, it's really interesting how a lot of people just kind of like, you know, get this blessing, this job, get in this business, and they just, you know, get really caught up.

00:44:18.000 And I never wanted to be that guy.

00:44:20.000 And the beauty of Twitter, it's like, at first I was really against it because it just was so much, you know, unfilteredness, and I've learned to appreciate it.

00:44:29.000 Like, literally, I get a lot of confidence just by looking at my feed and seeing maybe a couple tweets that are like, yo, man, keep doing it.

00:44:37.000 And I'm not necessarily doing anything right now.

00:44:39.000 I don't have any music coming out, but it's just a random Tuesday. 0.94

00:44:42.000 And there's some kid in Minnesota that's like, yo, I fucking love you, dude. 0.93

00:44:46.000 Keep going. 0.99

00:44:46.000 We're listening. 0.99

00:44:47.000 And I might have needed to hear that that day.

00:44:50.000 You know, so like those kids don't know that that means that much to me.

00:44:54.000 And it does.

00:44:55.000 So like I wasn't really that big with.

00:44:57.000 Talking, you know, and having such a presence online because I was weird about it, but now that I got a grip over it, it's no problem for me.

00:45:04.000 I love that I can, you know, just hit up a kid randomly and just make their whole year, you know, and just give me some confidence or something. 0.99

00:45:10.000 That's using it for good, you know, rather than me posting a picture of some jewelry or some new thousand dollar sneakers I bought that doesn't do anybody any good other than being like, damn, I ain't got shit. 0.98

00:45:22.000 You know, that's the reality that people realize. 0.95

00:45:24.000 And then it's like, well, I need to do what I got to do so I can have what he have.

00:45:27.000 And I don't want people to think like that, you know?

00:45:30.000 Like, when I post, I like to post, like, you know, maybe my lactate milk or...

00:45:35.000 So does this come from, like, lessons that you've learned watching other people, but, like, their behavior, you felt like the shortcomings of their behavior once they became famous?

00:45:45.000 Oh yeah, man.

00:45:46.000 I watched everybody around me.

00:45:47.000 You know, and I think...

00:45:49.000 And I kind of use...

00:45:51.000 I want kids to look at me and understand what not to do.

00:45:54.000 You know, when I was dealing with my drug issues back in 2010, 2009, you know, I was just heavy into cocaine.

00:46:01.000 And it was like a big thing for me.

00:46:04.000 Yeah.

00:46:06.000 And it was like a really big thing for me.

00:46:09.000 And it was something that, you know, kept me level.

00:46:12.000 It was something that I felt like I needed self-medicating and...

00:46:15.000 So you felt like cocaine kept you level?

00:46:17.000 Yeah, man, because I had this whole technique.

00:46:21.000 I don't know if I even should get into this.

00:46:23.000 I don't even want to talk about this.

00:46:24.000 You don't have to.

00:46:27.000 Let's just say I got into what I would call a trifecta, which was I would wake up in the morning, I would, you know, do coke immediately, even before I had cereal breakfast.

00:46:40.000 And then I would have a beer, and then I would smoke weed.

00:46:43.000 So, like, I never wanted people to know I was doing cocaine, so the beer and the marijuana leveled me out in a way where I was able to walk in the streets and talk and seem as though I wasn't on anything.

00:46:55.000 But deep inside, I'm just like, zing!

00:46:58.000 With my face, I'm just like, yeah, that's right.

00:47:01.000 But what it did for me, it completely numbed me.

00:47:05.000 I didn't care about anything, and I was a robot.

00:47:08.000 But also, with being so numb, it allowed me to go out and meet my fans and be out in the streets.

00:47:15.000 So in a twisted way, it did...

00:47:16.000 It did a positive thing for me, and that's why I didn't see it as an issue. 0.99

00:47:20.000 It was like, damn, today I went walking in Soho with no place to go, and I was just high-fiving fans and shit. 0.94

00:47:27.000 It was just the most amazing experience, something that I never get a chance to feel because I'm just such a recluse. 0.98

00:47:35.000 At that time, it was just weirded out when people recognized me and just didn't want to go anywhere.

00:47:39.000 Yeah, that's an issue with substances that can help you in some ways, but they're ultimately detrimental to your health or your well-being or your ability to keep it together.

00:47:50.000 Yeah, I mean, I abused it.

00:47:52.000 It's not like the guy who goes out with his buddies in spring break and says, hey, let's do a bump, and it's like, hey, cool.

00:47:58.000 Those guys aren't real.

00:48:01.000 Those cats are only people in movies, man.

00:48:03.000 Everybody else is just too broke to keep going. 0.98

00:48:06.000 They just don't have the amount of money that it requires to be a fucking full-time co-cast. 0.96

00:48:10.000 Yeah, it was definitely expensive, man. 0.96

00:48:12.000 It was definitely expensive, but, you know, I, um...

00:48:15.000 Did you find, like, while you were doing it every day, like, was there a thing that made you stop?

00:48:19.000 Because that's usually...

00:48:21.000 Well, I got caught!

00:48:22.000 You got caught.

00:48:23.000 And then people started to know I did it.

00:48:24.000 Did you get arrested? 0.99

00:48:25.000 Yeah, and it was like, damn, now everybody knows I do it. 0.99

00:48:28.000 This is not cool anymore. 0.94

00:48:29.000 Like, it's only cool when no one knows.

00:48:31.000 Coke is a weird one, right?

00:48:33.000 Yeah, it's like, I didn't really let, you know, I didn't let the public make me feel bad about it, though. 0.98

00:48:38.000 It was just kind of like, fuck, I guess I can't do that no more. 0.97

00:48:41.000 And then also, my daughter was born. 0.99

00:48:42.000 So it was like, you know, it was like...

00:48:46.000 Two kind of life lessons back to back that I experienced in 2010. And, you know, my daughter's birth and being arrested were those two things because I think I had already started toning down my cocaine use at the beginning of that year.

00:49:00.000 But then I was the king of like something...

00:49:03.000 Tragic happening or something I felt was tragic or stressful and then spiraling back into it, just needing any excuse to be like, alright, I'm gonna go do cocaine now because I'm upset and I'm dealing with something I don't know how to do.

00:49:12.000 It's just like my way of copping out and avoiding my issues.

00:49:15.000 Wow.

00:49:16.000 You know, so it was like a block.

00:49:17.000 It was like maybe a couple months would go by.

00:49:19.000 I'd be in Hawaii, you know, working on some stuff with Kanye and I never did cocaine or anything around those guys.

00:49:24.000 That was like my time to detox when I would be away.

00:49:27.000 Because, you know, I... If you do coke, you're either doing coke with other people or alone.

00:49:32.000 And I felt weird about traveling the world and every place I was at, asking people where the drugs was at.

00:49:37.000 So it was something that I did at home at a certain time.

00:49:43.000 I was able to keep it together and go out and work on my music and be into it.

00:49:49.000 I had a system.

00:49:50.000 It was a weird sick system I developed for myself.

00:49:54.000 I was able to be cool if I wasn't in New York, but then when I was back in New York, it was on.

00:49:59.000 Because it was just like being home in the apartment alone for hours on end just really just got me.

00:50:05.000 And doing it just kind of like, oh man, I could just put on Leaky Lee and just chill out for hours by myself and it's all good.

00:50:12.000 It's interesting that the arrest made you want to stop. 0.95

00:50:17.000 Was it because the feeling like, oh shit, an event has taken place? 0.97

00:50:22.000 This is obviously a big sign that I'm going down the wrong direction. 0.99

00:50:27.000 I'm dealing with the legal system now.

00:50:29.000 I'm getting arrested.

00:50:30.000 Nah, it was just more like, this is not Scott Mescady.

00:50:38.000 How in the hell did I let this become Scott Mescady? 0.98

00:50:41.000 How in the fuck do I got people looking at me like I'm not Scott Mescady? 0.92

00:50:46.000 And I know what it was, and I know how to fix that. 0.98

00:50:51.000 And I went and made it.

00:50:52.000 I didn't like how people were looking at me at that moment in time.

00:50:55.000 So they were looking at you like you're a coke fiend. 0.99

00:50:57.000 Yeah, crazy, cracked out dude. 0.96

00:50:59.000 Everywhere I would go, it was just these looks.

00:51:01.000 And I was just like, man, I just did a little blow.

00:51:05.000 Get off my back, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:51:08.000 Y'all motherfuckers acting like, yo, I ain't never did a bump. 1.00

00:51:11.000 Get out of here, man. 1.00

00:51:12.000 I was just like, are you kidding me?

00:51:14.000 People love to be sanctimonious.

00:51:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:16.000 But that's the thing.

00:51:18.000 When it happened, I wasn't like, you know, on, you know, the next complex interview I did.

00:51:24.000 Like, I have a statement that I issued here.

00:51:27.000 This camera.

00:51:28.000 Okay.

00:51:28.000 I'm really sorry to all my fans for you guys knowing that I do cocaine now.

00:51:32.000 Or I used to.

00:51:33.000 I don't do it anymore.

00:51:35.000 I'm sorry if I let anyone down. 0.99

00:51:37.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:51:38.000 You know? 1.00

00:51:38.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:51:39.000 It was really just like, I'm dealing with some shit. 1.00

00:51:41.000 If you don't understand it, I don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:51:42.000 This is how I was surviving. 1.00

00:51:44.000 If I didn't do it, I would have blew my brains out.

00:51:46.000 Well, I like how you describe it, too, because you're very honest about the positive aspects of the effects, and I think that's super important.

00:51:53.000 And this was my contract, by the way.

00:51:55.000 Oh, the release?

00:51:56.000 Yeah.

00:51:56.000 Don't worry about it, man.

00:51:57.000 Sorry.

00:51:58.000 Don't worry about it.

00:51:59.000 I'm an actor.

00:51:59.000 Everything's a prop.

00:52:01.000 Your method.

00:52:01.000 Your very method.

00:52:02.000 What?

00:52:04.000 You're very honest about the positive benefits of it.

00:52:07.000 Like, people have this idea like you shouldn't talk about positive benefits of any drugs, whether it's harmless drugs like marijuana or dangerous drugs like cocaine, maybe even especially dangerous drugs like cocaine, because the reality of what you're saying, your experience and the positive aspects of your experience is like,

00:52:26.000 he's promoting drugs, when clearly you're doing just the opposite.

00:52:30.000 You're talking about how you needed them and used them and they helped you, but the reality is it was because you were dealing with an issue.

00:52:37.000 And it just helped mask the issue.

00:52:40.000 But it did help.

00:52:41.000 And to lie and deny that, it clouds the issue.

00:52:44.000 For people dealing with their own drug issues, dealing with their current drug issues or their past drug issues, people aren't honest about it, man. 0.96

00:52:52.000 It puts people in this weird place where they're like, you know what, if it wasn't for fucking meth, I would have never started this business. 0.95

00:52:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:52:58.000 The reason why I'm doing so well is because I got on meth.

00:53:01.000 There's some people that can say that, probably.

00:53:03.000 Well, the only reason why I can sit here and say that is because I've been four years clean, man.

00:53:09.000 I'm not like...

00:53:10.000 Right, you're not dipping back in.

00:53:12.000 Yeah, and I can speak about it candidly, and it's not something I'm weird about, and I've just grown so much since then.

00:53:18.000 And I also know that the more I talk about it, the more it'll help somebody else who might be dealing with it.

00:53:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:26.000 Definitely.

00:53:28.000 When you're in that, it seems like you can't get out of it because it is like a thing.

00:53:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:35.000 A cycle.

00:53:36.000 Yeah, and you get caught up in it.

00:53:39.000 I just know with kids listening to me talk now, it could be helping a lot of people.

00:53:45.000 I'm not one of those people now that used to do cocaine and I'm like, oh, you're bad if you do cocaine or cocaine's bad and you shouldn't do cocaine.

00:53:52.000 I don't promote cocaine.

00:53:53.000 Any drug, but I'm not judging anybody if they do it.

00:53:57.000 You know, it's not like a big deal.

00:53:59.000 Like, I did it and I just abused it in a way and it didn't benefit me.

00:54:04.000 It didn't benefit Scott.

00:54:05.000 I didn't like the person I was becoming. 0.98

00:54:08.000 There's some people that could do this shit and they could live and do it in moderation and it doesn't affect their lives, like how it affected mine. 0.99

00:54:13.000 More power to them. 1.00

00:54:14.000 They got superpowers if you ask me.

00:54:16.000 But I just have that, you know...

00:54:19.000 It's a history of drugs in my family.

00:54:21.000 It was like my blood was waiting.

00:54:23.000 It was like, yeah, let's go.

00:54:26.000 And I know that about myself.

00:54:27.000 And I just had to make that choice.

00:54:29.000 I had to make a choice.

00:54:30.000 And I think that's with anything.

00:54:31.000 Cigarettes, which I'm four months, five months done with now.

00:54:36.000 You just have to make a choice.

00:54:38.000 And I made that choice for myself, for my own health, for my daughter, for her future, for my fans.

00:54:44.000 Yeah, a bunch of people quit cigarettes because of their daughter. 0.97

00:54:46.000 Anthony Bourdain quit cigarettes because of his daughter, too.

00:54:49.000 I just realized, like, what am I doing?

00:54:51.000 Yeah, I mean, for me, like, my father passed away from cancer.

00:54:55.000 All my uncles passed away from cancer.

00:54:57.000 And my father died when I was 11, you know?

00:54:59.000 So that was an experience, you know, for me that kind of, like, traumatized me in such a way.

00:55:05.000 But I can't, you know, when I got older...

00:55:08.000 I started to, you know, do everything that my father was into.

00:55:12.000 Like, my dad smoked Newports, I started smoking Newports at 17. You know, my dad's, you know, he loved MGD, Miller Genuine Draft, I fucking drank MGD, Miller Genuine Draft, you know? 0.82

00:55:22.000 It was a tribute to him?

00:55:24.000 No, I just kind of was becoming my dad in a weird way, and, you know, it wasn't, you know, it was like one of those things, you know, I don't know, I just kind of, I never really had a relationship with him, so the only memories I had was just this guy, like, You know,

00:55:39.000 like, this guy was just so cool.

00:55:42.000 He had his cigarette and he had his beer.

00:55:44.000 And he was always awesome and he was there for me as a man up until he left, you know?

00:55:48.000 And I think I kind of got caught up in that.

00:55:50.000 And that's something that, like, you know, I can't say the image of my father drinking and smoking is what made me drink and smoke, but I can't say it didn't.

00:55:58.000 Right.

00:55:58.000 Do you think you took, like, comfort in it, maybe?

00:56:00.000 I think maybe...

00:56:02.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:56:03.000 I think everybody takes comfort in smoking cigarettes.

00:56:05.000 It's like, you know, one of those things.

00:56:07.000 Yeah, that's the grand trick that cigarettes pull on you.

00:56:11.000 They give you comfort in that need to replenish.

00:56:14.000 Like, you give you a little stimulant from the nicotine and all the chemicals that are in the cigarette, and then you're so addicted to it that you have this weird stress when you don't have it.

00:56:24.000 And then when you smoke it...

00:56:25.000 Ah, it relieves that stress.

00:56:27.000 And you think that it's actually calming you down, but all it's doing is feeding the dragon.

00:56:32.000 It's like a drug.

00:56:33.000 It's anything.

00:56:33.000 Oh, it's a drug.

00:56:34.000 Yeah.

00:56:34.000 Nicotine is one of the craziest drugs of all time.

00:56:37.000 Because it's legal as fuck, and you can just get it anywhere. 1.00

00:56:40.000 Kills everybody. 1.00

00:56:41.000 It's like they present it in such a way where it's all cool, but...

00:56:44.000 And that's another thing, too.

00:56:45.000 I don't...

00:56:46.000 I'm not like anti-smokers either.

00:56:49.000 Friends come in my house.

00:56:50.000 If they smoke, I don't shush them outside.

00:56:53.000 You can smoke in a house.

00:56:55.000 It's not that big a deal.

00:56:55.000 Really?

00:56:55.000 You don't mind people stinking up your house?

00:56:57.000 They're stinky ass cigarettes? 0.99

00:56:58.000 It don't bother me. 1.00

00:56:59.000 I smoke for a long time.

00:57:02.000 It's not like I got people chain smoking in the house.

00:57:04.000 Somebody needs a cigarette, one or two.

00:57:06.000 It's cool.

00:57:07.000 I have friends that used to smoke, and if they smell it, they get sick.

00:57:11.000 Nah, I'm cool with it.

00:57:12.000 They can't.

00:57:13.000 I'm cool with it.

00:57:15.000 It's more just like...

00:57:16.000 For people that can't stand it, it's people that might still have an issue with the addiction.

00:57:21.000 But if I smell it or anything like that, it's kind of just like, huh.

00:57:24.000 It's not for me.

00:57:24.000 It doesn't really bother me.

00:57:26.000 Do you have a pull that doesn't pull you towards it?

00:57:28.000 You don't want to smoke it again?

00:57:29.000 I mean, I get...

00:57:30.000 I can't say, like, occasionally... 1.00

00:57:33.000 And this is something that just will forever happen because I was addicted to this shit. 0.99

00:57:38.000 But I can't say after a meal, a really good meal, I'm like, oh man, a cigarette would be nice. 0.99

00:57:43.000 But I don't do that no more.

00:57:44.000 So that's that.

00:57:45.000 And then that's it.

00:57:46.000 Wow, good for you.

00:57:47.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:47.000 But I got hypnotized, so...

00:57:50.000 Is that what happened?

00:57:51.000 You went to hypnotist?

00:57:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:52.000 Do you remember them hypnotizing you?

00:57:54.000 Yeah.

00:57:54.000 Yeah, I remember because you were conscious the whole time.

00:57:57.000 You have to receive the information that he's telling you.

00:58:00.000 You have to really process what he's saying.

00:58:02.000 Because it's really a re-education of the dangers of...

00:58:06.000 It's kind of like what we learned in health class when we were in school as kids.

00:58:10.000 It's no different except over time the fear is not...

00:58:15.000 As heightened as it was when we were fourth graders sitting in the room with our teachers saying, your lungs are nice and pink like this.

00:58:23.000 And if you smoke, they're black like this. 1.00

00:58:27.000 Over time, we see pop culture. 0.95

00:58:31.000 We see the James Deans.

00:58:32.000 We see everything going on and it doesn't seem as dangerous. 0.99

00:58:35.000 And basically, this guy reminds you of the dangers and kind of reboots you and it's like, oh shit. 0.97

00:58:41.000 And as an adult, you take it a little bit It's really funny just how the cycle of life goes. 0.98

00:58:47.000 It's like, at my age, I guess, I was able to look at it in the same way I saw it as a fourth grader, you know, and just kind of realized, oh, this is hurting me.

00:58:54.000 So talk me through it.

00:58:55.000 Do you lie down on the couch and close your eyes?

00:58:58.000 They turn the lights down?

00:58:59.000 Well, I had them come to my crib, you know, because I wanted to feel comfortable. 0.93

00:59:02.000 And I had a knife there, so if you tried any funny bits, I was going to slit them ear to ear. 0.90

00:59:06.000 I was going... 0.93

00:59:08.000 Did you worry?

00:59:08.000 Don't touch me!

00:59:09.000 I thought he would touch me.

00:59:11.000 I didn't know what was happening.

00:59:12.000 I had a shank.

00:59:13.000 I didn't leave my pillow in case.

00:59:15.000 There's a comedian that used to come to the comedy store. 0.96

00:59:18.000 No bullshit. 0.98

00:59:19.000 There was a comedian that used to go to the comedy store that used to hypnotize women. 0.99

00:59:22.000 Oh! 0.60

00:59:23.000 His thing was that he was a comedian, but he also did some hypnotist work.

00:59:28.000 And he would always hypnotize girls.

00:59:31.000 And I remember very clearly, one time I was walking to the back of the comedy store, and he was talking to a girl, and she pulls her head away, and she goes, No, I don't want you to hypnotize me.

00:59:41.000 Oh! 0.60

00:59:42.000 And I was like, wow, it's true.

00:59:44.000 The dude really is out there hypnotizing people. 1.00

00:59:46.000 That's fucked up, man. 1.00

00:59:47.000 That's not cool. 1.00

00:59:48.000 Do you do it in your bed?

00:59:50.000 No, we were in the living room on the couch, and he kind of just sits there, and he counts you down and goes to sleep.

00:59:57.000 Did you lie down?

00:59:57.000 You sit up on your back.

00:59:58.000 Okay, so you're fully stretched out, pillow behind the head, just relaxing.

01:00:02.000 And then when they count you down, what does it feel like?

01:00:05.000 It feels like you're tired as hell.

01:00:11.000 Is that the only time?

01:00:12.000 You like slipping into like, you know...

01:00:15.000 A dream state.

01:00:16.000 Just really relax.

01:00:17.000 You just really relax.

01:00:18.000 It's like...

01:00:19.000 Had you been hypnotized before this?

01:00:20.000 No.

01:00:20.000 First time?

01:00:21.000 First time.

01:00:22.000 Only time?

01:00:23.000 Only once?

01:00:24.000 He does it three times.

01:00:25.000 Three times.

01:00:25.000 In three separate sessions.

01:00:27.000 And they're weeks apart.

01:00:28.000 Does it feel different each time you do it or does it feel the same?

01:00:32.000 No.

01:00:32.000 After the first time, it's like he does his thing.

01:00:35.000 It's like after the first one, it's like you don't...

01:00:37.000 You can smoke.

01:00:39.000 So it's like we did ours from Tuesday to Tuesday.

01:00:42.000 So it came that Tuesday, that whole week I was allowed to smoke, right?

01:00:46.000 After the first session.

01:00:48.000 After the first therapy session in the hypnosis.

01:00:52.000 Then after that second week, you're done completely.

01:00:55.000 Then after that third week, it's like kind of like...

01:00:58.000 Re-establishing that it's done, and that's the final one.

01:01:02.000 But after that first one, it's like the final week, right?

01:01:04.000 So, to come out of that hypnosis and still, you know, him telling me, like, I can still smoke.

01:01:11.000 I still had this urge, like, I don't know if I want to do that.

01:01:16.000 You know?

01:01:17.000 Like, I was allowed to smoke.

01:01:19.000 He said it was cool.

01:01:20.000 I remember, like, my first cigarette after, like, the hypnosis.

01:01:23.000 I waited, like, a couple hours.

01:01:25.000 Like, I had the...

01:01:30.000 We're good to go.

01:01:36.000 We're good to go.

01:01:48.000 So when you're going under, and he's telling you, I'm going to count you down, and then boom, you're under.

01:01:54.000 Do you remember the first things he said to you?

01:01:56.000 Like, were you conscious of it?

01:01:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:59.000 He's just basically, you know, just talking about, you know, just the dangers of cancer and what it could do to you and how it's just nasty and it's poison and just everything you could imagine that will kind of put it in the way for...

01:02:15.000 A human being to understand and get it like, okay, this is dangerous.

01:02:18.000 Because that's really what it is.

01:02:19.000 I think the average person that smokes doesn't see the danger in it like that.

01:02:26.000 Because you might see the old lady that's 80, 90 years old that's been smoking all her days that looks like she's fine. 1.00

01:02:33.000 And you just be like, well, I'll probably be that lady or I'll probably be that guy.

01:02:37.000 But the reality is you don't know.

01:02:39.000 And it's like a gamble every time.

01:02:41.000 And it's like literally...

01:02:44.000 Him just kind of, he'll give me scenarios too.

01:02:46.000 And I don't even know how much I can really talk about because he sells this.

01:02:50.000 This is like a thing he sells.

01:02:51.000 But, you know, he just really gives you examples, you know, just like scenarios, like simple example, like if you knew someone.

01:03:00.000 Was, you know, if you were dating a girl and you knew that, you know, she was known for poisoning her boyfriends, putting like poison or rat poison in her food, but there wasn't real proof, but every guy she dated kind of got murdered.

01:03:13.000 But she did.

01:03:14.000 And you, you know, were dating her for a while and she said, you know, she wanted to finally cook for you.

01:03:19.000 Oh, no.

01:03:21.000 Oh no.

01:03:22.000 You know?

01:03:23.000 Like, what would you do?

01:03:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:24.000 Like, if you knew for a fact that she was, you know, a killer, would you let her cook your food?

01:03:30.000 Would you let this person into your house?

01:03:31.000 No. 1.00

01:03:32.000 You would say, I'm not fucking with this chick. 1.00

01:03:34.000 I mean, guys stop messing with a chick if she calls too many times. 0.99

01:03:37.000 Like, you know?

01:03:37.000 Yeah.

01:03:38.000 Like, it's just kind of the reality of like, man...

01:03:40.000 Well, anytime you see any obsessive behavior or anything dangerous in people.

01:03:44.000 But it's kind of just that reality, like it's poison.

01:03:47.000 You're going out your way to buy poison, to put in your system.

01:03:50.000 So you felt much more in touch with the reality of what it is.

01:03:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:56.000 I've just always been curious about what the state is like of being hypnotized.

01:04:01.000 You don't feel disconnected, no.

01:04:03.000 I felt like I could have woke up at any minute. 0.99

01:04:06.000 I feel like if somebody, or if he tried something, I could have smacked the shit out of him. 0.99

01:04:10.000 You weren't really worried about him trying something the second time. 0.98

01:04:12.000 Yo, because, bro, just like you, just like you, you know what I'm saying?

01:04:15.000 If you've never done hypnosis, and you see in the movies, it just looks like you're kind of vulnerable.

01:04:20.000 Yeah.

01:04:20.000 And, you know, I just, I didn't know what extent that would feel like.

01:04:25.000 You know, I didn't want to be like...

01:04:26.000 I know what you're saying.

01:04:27.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:28.000 So, I don't know.

01:04:28.000 Have you ever seen one of those comedy hypnotist shows?

01:04:32.000 No.

01:04:33.000 You should go and check one out if you ever see one.

01:04:35.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:35.000 Where they make people like dog or bark like a dog or whatever.

01:04:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:39.000 Is this one guy that does it particularly, right?

01:04:41.000 He's known for it.

01:04:42.000 Well, there's a bunch of people all over the country to do it.

01:04:44.000 Ah, okay.

01:04:45.000 So this is like a thing.

01:04:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:47.000 It's a thing, man.

01:04:47.000 I've seen it.

01:04:48.000 When I was starting out in Boston, there was this comedy club called Stitches, and they had a guy named Frank Santos who did it there all the time. 0.98

01:04:54.000 And I thought it was bullshit at first.

01:04:56.000 And then from being there all the time, I got to see all these shows. 0.98

01:05:00.000 I realized like, whoa, no, you can just hypnotize some people.

01:05:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:03.000 And you get some dudes to come in their own pants.

01:05:05.000 They would think they were having sex. 0.99

01:05:07.000 They would think they were having sex on stage. 0.99

01:05:09.000 And they would be on the ground like humping. 0.97

01:05:11.000 And he would tell them when they were going to come.

01:05:13.000 And they would come and they'd be embarrassed.

01:05:14.000 And they'd go and sit down.

01:05:16.000 Yeah, I'd be embarrassed too. 0.95

01:05:17.000 It's like somebody with a ghost hand coming in there jerking you off when you're not noticing it. 0.96

01:05:21.000 It was so strange. 0.93

01:05:23.000 It's not cool.

01:05:24.000 Some people, apparently, are super susceptible to it.

01:05:27.000 But he knew when people were under and when they weren't under.

01:05:31.000 That's why I'm always confused.

01:05:34.000 So you were conscious, but you were under.

01:05:38.000 Yeah, like, he'll do things like, I want you to, you know, say yes, you know, so he'll, you know, to check and make sure that you're under or whatever.

01:05:46.000 There's certain things that he'll do, like, and you gotta, and I'm paying for it, so it's not like, you know, I'm not lying.

01:05:52.000 What is under, though?

01:05:53.000 That's what's confusing to me.

01:05:55.000 What is that state?

01:05:56.000 It's like halfway between dreaming and awake?

01:05:59.000 I mean, I'm definitely, like, the under state is more just like a relaxed feeling, not like, Sleep.

01:06:08.000 Right.

01:06:09.000 But it can be, you know, you can feel like it's sleep because you're breathing slower and that's what sleep is.

01:06:18.000 Like, you know, you're relaxed and to us that's what sleep feels like, you know, that relaxed state.

01:06:23.000 But you're conscious.

01:06:24.000 I hear him crystal clear.

01:06:26.000 I'm not in deep sleep.

01:06:28.000 Hmm.

01:06:29.000 You know, it feels like it, but I'm not.

01:06:32.000 I'm hearing everything clearly.

01:06:34.000 I'm understanding him.

01:06:37.000 So I'm not snoring here.

01:06:39.000 It's not weird.

01:06:42.000 You feel present, but then you just are really, really chill.

01:06:45.000 So it's just basically like some weird middle state. 1.00

01:06:47.000 Yeah, it's the in-between of some shit that happens that motherfuckers know how to do. 1.00

01:06:52.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:06:53.000 I've never experienced anything like it.

01:06:56.000 What's the difference between session one and session two and then session three?

01:07:03.000 I can't.

01:07:04.000 The difference between session one and session two, I can say, I can't really differentiate between session two and three.

01:07:10.000 Are you allowed to smoke?

01:07:12.000 You're allowed to smoke after one.

01:07:13.000 Are you allowed to smoke after two as well?

01:07:14.000 No.

01:07:15.000 After two, you're done.

01:07:16.000 After two, you don't want to.

01:07:17.000 Really?

01:07:18.000 I think that's when he actually, like, I think two, the difference between the first stage and the second stage is like, the first stage, he doesn't really instill anything like, when you wake up from this, you're not going to be smoking cigarettes anymore.

01:07:28.000 Like, he doesn't say anything like that.

01:07:30.000 He's just like, educate you, and then he's like, no, you're going to come back, you know, and I'm going to count you out from 10 all the way up to 1, you know, and he counts you up and counts you up.

01:07:38.000 But he doesn't say, he says like, you can smoke this week, you know, and then after this, you're going to be done.

01:07:44.000 You know, so like, you come out of that first state just kind of like, okay.

01:07:48.000 But like I said, I was hesitant to smoke.

01:07:50.000 I really wanted to smoke, but...

01:07:53.000 What did he say?

01:07:54.000 There was something that stuck still in that first, you know, session that made me like...

01:07:59.000 Oh man, it is kind of gross.

01:08:02.000 What is his success rate, did he say?

01:08:06.000 Literally, I mean, he says everybody does it, but I know, you know, I'm pretty sure a lot of people have a hard time with it.

01:08:13.000 You know, it's just, you really, and this is what he says, and anybody that I know that's done it too, it's really just kind of like you have to be ready.

01:08:22.000 You know, in a weird way, you just got to be ready.

01:08:24.000 And I think that's with anything in life.

01:08:27.000 I mean, they try to make it like this thing, like, you just gotta be ready.

01:08:30.000 But, like, that's with anything.

01:08:30.000 Marriage, you know, even just dating someone, or whether it's a job.

01:08:35.000 You just gotta make that choice and just really want it for yourself and really commit, you know?

01:08:40.000 Right.

01:08:41.000 And really...

01:08:43.000 It costs money, too.

01:08:44.000 You're paying his money.

01:08:45.000 It's a waste of time.

01:08:48.000 Otherwise, he's the type of person where even though he's getting paid, he cares.

01:08:53.000 The dude is passionate.

01:08:54.000 He devotes his whole life to this.

01:08:56.000 This guy, Kerry Gaynor, I'm going to give you his contact.

01:09:02.000 He has a Twitter page and stuff, and he does this whole thing. 0.99

01:09:06.000 He's going to get bombed with dick pics right now. 0.99

01:09:09.000 They're coming in hot. 1.00

01:09:10.000 Smoke this.

01:09:11.000 They're coming in hot, bro.

01:09:13.000 Just say his name.

01:09:15.000 It worked on my sister.

01:09:15.000 Don't give his Twitter page out.

01:09:17.000 They'll get him.

01:09:19.000 My sister got hypnotized and it worked for about a year.

01:09:23.000 And then she said one day she just woke up and it was gone and she just started smoking it.

01:09:27.000 Yeah, Kerry Gaynor.

01:09:28.000 Wow.

01:09:29.000 Wow.

01:09:30.000 That's, um, what is his Twitter?

01:09:32.000 You want to give it out?

01:09:33.000 Uh, yeah.

01:09:33.000 You could if you want.

01:09:34.000 Yeah, I'll find it. 0.95

01:09:35.000 Because he's a dope dude, man.

01:09:36.000 He's the nicest guy. 0.52

01:09:38.000 I totally, as soon as I saw him, I knew I wasn't going to have to shank him, but you never know, you know?

01:09:44.000 You never know, Joe Rogan.

01:09:46.000 I mean, not everybody has that bod that you have, dude, where people are just, like, not going to try you.

01:09:50.000 They'll still try.

01:09:53.000 It's like session one involved with chloroform.

01:09:55.000 The tougher the squeeze, the sweeter the juice.

01:09:57.000 Yeah.

01:10:01.000 His Twitter is Kerry Gaynor.

01:10:03.000 K-E-R-R-Y-G-A-Y-N-O-R. Kerry's one of those weird words that dudes are still allowed to have, you know?

01:10:11.000 But it's a weird one.

01:10:12.000 He has a Twitter for his...

01:10:14.000 Chick's name.

01:10:15.000 For his business.

01:10:16.000 Why are you naming a dude K-E-R-R-Y? I mean, it is. 1.00

01:10:20.000 You can get away with it, but it's strange.

01:10:22.000 I think it's an Irish thing, though, too.

01:10:23.000 Is it?

01:10:24.000 Okay, it could be that.

01:10:25.000 Or it could be a dominant wife. 1.00

01:10:27.000 Okay.

01:10:27.000 We wish she had a girl.

01:10:29.000 Well, I promise you that this is not what's going on.

01:10:33.000 I had a girlfriend in high school and her mom had a boy's name because the dad wanted a boy.

01:10:40.000 So he named her a boy's name.

01:10:43.000 It was the craziest situation.

01:10:45.000 I've known people that have had that, yeah.

01:10:48.000 For sure.

01:10:48.000 It was ugly though because, you know, she didn't get along with her parents.

01:10:52.000 Like her mom did not get along with her parents.

01:10:54.000 And it's like she always resented that her dad gave her a boy's name.

01:11:00.000 That's creepy, man.

01:11:00.000 You could just change it.

01:11:02.000 Yeah, but it was like a love missing thing.

01:11:04.000 What was the name?

01:11:05.000 I don't want to say.

01:11:06.000 Come on.

01:11:07.000 I don't want to say.

01:11:08.000 Come on.

01:11:08.000 Let's make it Mike.

01:11:10.000 That's not as bad.

01:11:12.000 I knew a girl named Michael.

01:11:14.000 No, it's my girlfriend from high school's mom, so I don't think it's appropriate.

01:11:20.000 She was a nice lady, but you could tell she wasn't really into people. 0.98

01:11:27.000 Especially men.

01:11:29.000 With the same name.

01:11:30.000 Yeah, men with the same name.

01:11:32.000 She had this strange boyfriend for a while.

01:11:34.000 It's very weird when you see how other people grow up and you see like, oh, that's where that comes from.

01:11:41.000 You got some weird thing about men and then you go, okay, let me see what's going on in your house.

01:11:45.000 Oh, look.

01:11:46.000 Okay, let me see what's going on in your house.

01:11:48.000 Your mom has a boy's name and this is her boyfriend and he's a mess. 0.73

01:11:53.000 Okay, yeah, I see how you'd be weird about dudes.

01:11:55.000 It's science.

01:11:56.000 It's not your fault.

01:11:58.000 It's like, yeah, you've been doing science in your own house. 1.00

01:12:01.000 That's fucked, man! 0.99

01:12:03.000 That's the one thing, when everybody judges people, and everybody does love to judge people, the reality is, not everybody starts off in the same spot. 1.00

01:12:11.000 You know, some people get a shit spot in life. 0.76

01:12:15.000 And then some people, I think a bad spot or an imperfect spot a lot of times motivates them. 0.99

01:12:22.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

01:12:23.000 Do you feel like that happened with you?

01:12:24.000 Oh, most definitely.

01:12:25.000 And I think about it like...

01:12:27.000 And that's what a lot of my issue came through early on in my career.

01:12:34.000 I had this moment where literally I had like...

01:12:38.000 I had security and a car service everywhere I went. 0.97

01:12:43.000 And I just started to feel like Richie fucking rich. 0.88

01:12:46.000 I was like, I got a chaperone. 0.95

01:12:48.000 It's like my mom has this person with me everywhere I go to make sure I don't get in trouble.

01:12:52.000 And then she feeds my bank account as long as I'm good.

01:12:56.000 It just felt really weird.

01:12:58.000 And you want a coke.

01:13:01.000 Then I started to get on coke.

01:13:03.000 Because I came from nothing.

01:13:07.000 It was hard for me.

01:13:09.000 The way of life was just a different transition.

01:13:12.000 I would imagine.

01:13:14.000 That's a big leap.

01:13:16.000 To come from nothing and then become a famous entertainer, wealthy, is a very treacherous and difficult path to manage, I would imagine.

01:13:24.000 I think most people's motivation Is to, you know, and I can't say I didn't fall victim to it, was to just kind of prove people wrong in a way.

01:13:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:32.000 And that was a, I mean, it wasn't anger that fueled me, though.

01:13:36.000 It was just more like, okay, I'll show you.

01:13:38.000 Well, it's your own desire to determine self-worth.

01:13:41.000 Right, right.

01:13:42.000 So it didn't, it wasn't misguided.

01:13:45.000 It was always just like, okay, I'm doubted.

01:13:48.000 The odds are against me, but I know what I'm feeling, and this is what I want.

01:13:52.000 Did Pink sign your hand and then you turned into a tattoo?

01:13:55.000 No, this is Pink Floyd.

01:13:57.000 Oh, okay.

01:13:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:58.000 I mean, I like to feel like early on in my career, I was Pink a bit.

01:14:03.000 I love Pink.

01:14:03.000 Building up these walls.

01:14:05.000 Oh, I see.

01:14:06.000 And I kind of connected with that story early on, and I was really into Floyd so much that it inspired My sound.

01:14:16.000 Pink Floyd and Electric Light Orchestra really ultimately determined the soundscapes for my entire career.

01:14:24.000 Are you into vinyl?

01:14:26.000 Are you into listening to it on old vinyl?

01:14:28.000 I don't collect vinyls.

01:14:30.000 I know buddies that do.

01:14:31.000 I haven't gotten into that.

01:14:33.000 I feel like that is a hobby that I eventually want to get into.

01:14:37.000 But I have not experienced a lot of music that I would love to on vinyl because I just haven't gotten into that.

01:14:44.000 It's supposed to have a different sound quality to it, right?

01:14:47.000 Well, I release all my music on vinyl and all my album covers I design.

01:14:52.000 For vinyl covers.

01:14:54.000 A lot of people don't know that, but I design all my album covers for vinyl and for that presentation to be able to see the artwork and have this and be able to hear it in a certain quality.

01:15:07.000 You know, if you can't play Kid Cudi back in 1960, at least you can kind of get a little taste of it.

01:15:13.000 Right, right.

01:15:14.000 So, like, we mix for vinyl.

01:15:17.000 We do everything for vinyl, ultimately. 0.90

01:15:19.000 You know, we're not doing this shit for, you know, iTunes and MP3s, you know? 0.89

01:15:24.000 Right. 0.98

01:15:25.000 And there's a ritual, too.

01:15:28.000 Yeah, the ritual's big, right?

01:15:28.000 Of just getting the vinyl and putting it on there and...

01:15:31.000 Yeah.

01:15:32.000 You know, it's a thing.

01:15:33.000 Well, that thing is rare today.

01:15:35.000 People don't sit down and listen to music together.

01:15:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:15:38.000 If a friend is in a car, I'll play him some shit. 0.99

01:15:41.000 Listen to this. 0.99

01:15:42.000 Check this out.

01:15:42.000 Or if we're here in the studio, maybe I'll hook...

01:15:45.000 I got this Bluetooth speaker thing.

01:15:47.000 I could hook it up to that.

01:15:48.000 But most of the time you don't sit down with dudes and just listen to music.

01:15:52.000 But I remember when I was a kid, my stepfather and his friends, they would put on an album and they would sit down and listen to an album.

01:16:00.000 Oh yeah.

01:16:00.000 It was an experience.

01:16:01.000 Yeah, like you would get the new, you know, whatever the hell it was.

01:16:05.000 I remember they had the new Billy Joel album.

01:16:07.000 I was a little kid, man.

01:16:08.000 It was the Piano Man.

01:16:10.000 I remember when it was new. 1.00

01:16:12.000 They pulled that shit out. 0.99

01:16:13.000 I was probably like seven or something like that. 1.00

01:16:16.000 And they put it on the record player and everyone just sat around and listened to this Billy Joel album.

01:16:21.000 That's what people did back when there was two TV channels.

01:16:24.000 And I kind of imagine that's what my fans do.

01:16:27.000 And that's kind of like how I create.

01:16:28.000 And a lot of people might not...

01:16:30.000 It's like... 0.98

01:16:31.000 That's why when I release a single, for example, it might be some weird shit. 0.96

01:16:35.000 People are just like, what is this? 0.80

01:16:37.000 But in the context of the story, when you consume the entire album, it makes sense.

01:16:43.000 Because I don't really make records for singles.

01:16:46.000 I'm making an entire album here.

01:16:48.000 This is a project.

01:16:49.000 What percentage of your music is listened to by potheads?

01:16:53.000 Does it look like 80?

01:16:54.000 I think more than that.

01:16:57.000 I think 100%.

01:16:59.000 He's talking about the moon again. 0.98

01:17:02.000 He tuned it right the fuck in. 0.98

01:17:05.000 Right on in there, man. 0.98

01:17:07.000 That's funny, man.

01:17:08.000 Yeah, I think that that's what's missing in mainstream music.

01:17:11.000 I think everything is always moment to moment, single to single, who's got who on what record.

01:17:16.000 It's not about like...

01:17:18.000 I think?

01:17:34.000 Get the homies together, and even if we've all heard the album a trillion times, just to put it on from the beginning and let it play.

01:17:41.000 It's just dope.

01:17:42.000 Nobody really does that anymore.

01:17:44.000 Everybody's kind of like Spotify, this here, Pandora, just skipping around, skipping around, skipping around.

01:17:48.000 And that's because music is designed that way.

01:17:51.000 But you step into what we do, the kids know.

01:17:56.000 It's like, okay, you buy a Kid Cudi album, You probably have your friends come over.

01:18:01.000 It's a thing.

01:18:02.000 It's like, don't open it till I get there.

01:18:04.000 Right, right, right.

01:18:05.000 It's a very big deal.

01:18:06.000 And I love that there's that type of ritual going on because I do it too.

01:18:11.000 I go and I buy my own album when it comes out. 0.97

01:18:13.000 And kids see me in Best Buy arguing like, why is it in the fucking front? 0.97

01:18:18.000 Put it in the front. 0.99

01:18:19.000 Is that what you do?

01:18:20.000 No, I'm not arguing. 1.00

01:18:21.000 I'm just doing this shit now. 0.99

01:18:22.000 I don't talk to anyone. 0.98

01:18:23.000 If it's not in the front, I'll just move it.

01:18:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:25.000 Really?

01:18:25.000 That's awesome.

01:18:26.000 Hell yeah, dude.

01:18:27.000 Wow.

01:18:27.000 Hell yeah.

01:18:27.000 Is that legal?

01:18:28.000 No, but I do it.

01:18:29.000 Is that terrorism?

01:18:30.000 I think that's digital terrorism or something.

01:18:32.000 It's in the Patriot Act.

01:18:33.000 But it's kind of like I look at it like this.

01:18:34.000 If I'm not going out on the day I'm buying my album, you can't expect other people to do it.

01:18:38.000 I've got to support my own self too.

01:18:41.000 That's hilarious.

01:18:41.000 You're supporting your own self.

01:18:42.000 That doesn't even work that way.

01:18:43.000 Just keep the money in your pocket and steal your own album.

01:18:46.000 That's what you should do.

01:18:47.000 I really do believe.

01:18:48.000 That way you really truly support yourself.

01:18:51.000 Or get caught shoplifting your album at Best Buy so everyone reports it.

01:18:55.000 There you go.

01:18:55.000 That's a big story on TMZ. That's like, you would be a front page guy.

01:19:00.000 I'd be an idiot. 1.00

01:19:06.000 But you know, like, I really do believe that, man. 0.97

01:19:08.000 It's just like, you know, if you're selling some merch, you gotta, you know, promote your merch.

01:19:13.000 Kid's gotta see you wearing your own stuff. 0.99

01:19:15.000 You gotta let them know, like, hey, I'm down with this shit, too. 0.99

01:19:17.000 Look at Brian. 0.99

01:19:18.000 He's covered in his own merch.

01:19:19.000 The kid never wears anything but Death Squad t-shirts and Death Squad hats.

01:19:23.000 I have to make my own clothes now.

01:19:24.000 Proper businessman.

01:19:26.000 He's gonna make his own Crocs.

01:19:28.000 Death Squad Crocs.

01:19:30.000 He's going to walk around them.

01:19:31.000 He's going to become that guy.

01:19:32.000 I want a pair of those.

01:19:33.000 Blue Crocs with white socks that have death squad kiddies on them.

01:19:36.000 Would you ever wear Crocs outside?

01:19:38.000 It's so weird that you said that, Joe.

01:19:40.000 Why?

01:19:40.000 I went to the Magic Castle last night.

01:19:42.000 And you were wearing Crocs?

01:19:43.000 No, I had to buy new shoes because I don't have dress shoes.

01:19:47.000 You're a member up there.

01:19:48.000 Huh?

01:19:48.000 No.

01:19:48.000 No, I got invited.

01:19:50.000 Oh, lucky bastard. 1.00

01:19:51.000 Would you really want to go to that? 1.00

01:19:52.000 Just to see what's up.

01:19:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:19:54.000 I just drive by it every damn day. 0.99

01:19:56.000 I want to know what's going on. 0.99

01:19:57.000 That'd be easy.

01:19:58.000 Yeah.

01:19:59.000 Yeah?

01:19:59.000 You're going to?

01:19:59.000 Okay.

01:20:00.000 But I had to get dress shoes and I was joking with my girlfriend that I was just going to buy black Crocs so I could use them other times than just dressing up.

01:20:08.000 Right.

01:20:08.000 And she thought I wore them the whole time because I had an old pair of Crocs and I was like, these are what I bought.

01:20:12.000 And she's like, are you serious?

01:20:13.000 You're not wearing those?

01:20:14.000 And then right before I left, I switched on.

01:20:15.000 But we had this whole Croc thing last night.

01:20:17.000 That's hilarious.

01:20:18.000 No, because Crocs are great.

01:20:20.000 Do you own Crocs, Joe?

01:20:21.000 No.

01:20:22.000 No.

01:20:23.000 No.

01:20:23.000 But I mean, I don't have any problem with wearing them.

01:20:27.000 I mean, I would wear them if they were that comfortable.

01:20:29.000 Yeah.

01:20:30.000 I heard they're good.

01:20:31.000 That's what I keep hearing.

01:20:31.000 I don't own any, but I heard they're good.

01:20:33.000 It's my walk outside and get the mail or do something else.

01:20:36.000 I usually wear either skate shoes or wear Converse.

01:20:41.000 Like All Stars.

01:20:42.000 That's what I wear.

01:20:43.000 Yeah.

01:20:44.000 That's good.

01:20:44.000 See, I got these leather chucks on.

01:20:47.000 Nice.

01:20:47.000 They're comfortable.

01:20:48.000 I got these vapes today.

01:20:52.000 Oh, those are nice.

01:20:53.000 What are those?

01:20:54.000 Bathe and Ape.

01:20:55.000 Ooh, nice.

01:20:56.000 A couple years, maybe like five years old, these came up.

01:20:58.000 I like that.

01:20:59.000 I like the star on the side.

01:21:00.000 It's pretty dope.

01:21:01.000 Skate shoes are probably the most comfortable.

01:21:02.000 Them and Chuck Taylors.

01:21:05.000 Those are all pretty much...

01:21:06.000 I used to only wear Vans, and then my girl got me into wearing Jordans and stuff like that.

01:21:11.000 They're built...

01:21:12.000 I get it now.

01:21:13.000 They are the most comfortable shoe in the world.

01:21:15.000 Welcome!

01:21:16.000 Welcome!

01:21:17.000 Welcome to the dark side!

01:21:19.000 Finally you've got Jordans.

01:21:20.000 Are you going to be one of those dudes on MTV Cribs where you go into your house and you've got all these Jordans stacked up around your place?

01:21:26.000 Look at these shoes.

01:21:27.000 Right here.

01:21:28.000 Oh, nice.

01:21:29.000 Look at you.

01:21:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:31.000 You son of a bitch. 1.00

01:21:33.000 Look at that. 1.00

01:21:33.000 Those are my mags. 1.00

01:21:35.000 Back to the Future shoes.

01:21:36.000 Those are giant.

01:21:37.000 Those are from Back to the Future.

01:21:39.000 Is that what they're from?

01:21:40.000 Yeah, those are the mags, the Nike mags.

01:21:43.000 Are those comfortable?

01:21:44.000 Yeah, they are, man. 0.99

01:21:45.000 They design the shit out of those. 0.98

01:21:47.000 Joe, have you ever wear a pair of Jordans or any of those kind of shoes? 0.97

01:21:51.000 I haven't in a long time.

01:21:52.000 When I used to have a deal with Nike, I used to have one of those things where when I was on news radio, they'd give you free shoes.

01:21:59.000 And on Fear Factor, too, they'd just send me boxes of free Nikes.

01:22:03.000 But I just stopped.

01:22:04.000 I don't really do TV anymore.

01:22:06.000 I'd be rude if I kept calling them. 0.99

01:22:07.000 Like, yo, so, you know, I still need that shit. 1.00

01:22:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:22:10.000 They're like, um, what are you going to do with this? 0.99

01:22:13.000 It's going to work out in your shit? 1.00

01:22:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:15.000 But they had a thing where you could call them and they would give you free stuff.

01:22:18.000 That's amazing.

01:22:18.000 Yeah.

01:22:19.000 But I, so they would give me a bunch of stuff that I wouldn't wear, like, white and red, like, basketball shoes.

01:22:23.000 I'd be like, I don't think I can wear these. 0.79

01:22:26.000 But a lot of, like, cross trainers and shit. 1.00

01:22:28.000 They have comfortable shit. 0.99

01:22:29.000 But I got into, like, smaller soul things that have, like, less, you feel the ground more. 1.00

01:22:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:36.000 Chucks, like Chuck Taylors. 0.99

01:22:37.000 I like that better.

01:22:38.000 I can't perform in Jordans, you know, and that's something I discovered recently.

01:22:42.000 Really?

01:22:42.000 In what way?

01:22:42.000 I just can't move.

01:22:44.000 In bed?

01:22:44.000 On stage?

01:22:46.000 Imagine that?

01:22:47.000 On stage.

01:22:48.000 I need combat boots. 1.00

01:22:50.000 I fuck with army boots on only. 1.00

01:22:53.000 With a cigar hanging out of your mouth like fucking Sergeant Fury. 1.00

01:22:59.000 That's ridiculous. 1.00

01:23:02.000 How about Timberlands? 0.76

01:23:04.000 Man, I've seen people do it in all sorts of footwear, but for me, I'm moving around a lot, and it's hard for me to move as quick and as nimble.

01:23:12.000 Why is that with Jordans?

01:23:14.000 I would feel they were athletic shoes.

01:23:15.000 Well, I'm not like...

01:23:17.000 Well, first off, I'm not like, I don't have them laced up.

01:23:20.000 Oh.

01:23:21.000 You know, like I'm about to go play full court.

01:23:23.000 Right.

01:23:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:23.000 So there's that.

01:23:24.000 So they're slipping around.

01:23:25.000 Yeah, there's the whole like, you know, trying to be fresh thing about it.

01:23:29.000 So they're not like really being worn how they're supposed to be worn.

01:23:31.000 But then like, there's nothing like Converse where it feels like you're literally dancing barefoot.

01:23:36.000 Yeah.

01:23:37.000 Like on your tippy toes from one end to the stage to the other.

01:23:40.000 And that's literally, I find like the best thing.

01:23:42.000 Sneaker for me on stage.

01:23:44.000 Yeah, Converse are the best for working out, too.

01:23:46.000 Like, if you're lifting weights and stuff, you just feel the ground with them.

01:23:49.000 There's very little padding.

01:23:50.000 But it makes you think, like, those dudes like Julius Irving, like, back in the day where they used to wear those and actually play basketball games in them, that's incredible.

01:23:59.000 Yeah.

01:24:00.000 Like, that's what they wore.

01:24:01.000 Chuck Taylors. 1.00

01:24:02.000 They would play a fucking basketball game with no protection, basically. 1.00

01:24:06.000 You know? 1.00

01:24:07.000 Ankles were getting broken.

01:24:08.000 Oh, they probably snapped. 0.93

01:24:09.000 But then again, they probably developed tougher ankles.

01:24:12.000 You know?

01:24:13.000 Like, they grew up doing that.

01:24:15.000 Yeah.

01:24:15.000 Does that make any sense?

01:24:16.000 Yeah.

01:24:17.000 Jamie shakes his head. 1.00

01:24:18.000 He's a fucking physiological... 1.00

01:24:19.000 Muscular ankles, man. 1.00

01:24:20.000 I'm there.

01:24:21.000 Yeah.

01:24:21.000 I think...

01:24:22.000 Well, doesn't it make sense?

01:24:23.000 Like, if you used it, it would get stronger.

01:24:26.000 No?

01:24:27.000 Like, if you put too much bracing around it, it wouldn't...

01:24:30.000 Can I talk with you?

01:24:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

01:24:32.000 Yeah, I would imagine.

01:24:33.000 There's a lighter right there.

01:24:34.000 Thank you.

01:24:35.000 There's some more of these, too.

01:24:36.000 Thank you.

01:24:36.000 Joe's Hello Kitty lighter.

01:24:37.000 Am I on camera?

01:24:38.000 Oh, no.

01:24:39.000 Okay.

01:24:40.000 Make sure he's not on camera.

01:24:41.000 We don't want the world to know he smokes weed.

01:24:43.000 So, uh, we got in touch because you reached out to me on Twitter out of nowhere.

01:24:49.000 What?

01:24:50.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:51.000 That was cool. 1.00

01:24:52.000 We was on Twitter talking shit. 1.00

01:24:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:24:55.000 I love what you do, Joe.

01:24:56.000 I'm a big fan.

01:24:57.000 I'm sorry.

01:24:58.000 You don't mind us.

01:24:58.000 No, please.

01:24:59.000 Okay.

01:25:00.000 Hello, everybody.

01:25:01.000 Hello, America.

01:25:02.000 This is like what everybody wants to see, right?

01:25:04.000 This is what you guys want to see.

01:25:05.000 No, they want to see you shoot heroin. 0.72

01:25:07.000 Do bumps.

01:25:09.000 There's a bunch in this.

01:25:10.000 Do some bumps.

01:25:10.000 And the other one, Brian, there's a bunch.

01:25:12.000 There's a bunch in that one.

01:25:14.000 Yeah, do some bumps, dog.

01:25:18.000 I'll tell you what, Joe.

01:25:20.000 When I get married, I'm going to invite you to my wedding.

01:25:23.000 Me and you are going to do some bumps.

01:25:25.000 No, I've never done coke.

01:25:27.000 I've never done coke.

01:25:28.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:25:29.000 I don't think I'm ever going to get married.

01:25:31.000 So, like, this works out.

01:25:32.000 I remember saying that, too.

01:25:34.000 They get you.

01:25:37.000 Man, I want to be gotten, Joe.

01:25:38.000 I want to be gotten, bro.

01:25:40.000 It's definitely better than wanting to be gotten.

01:25:42.000 Being gotten is better than wanting to be gotten.

01:25:44.000 Yeah, man.

01:25:45.000 I'm joking, by the way.

01:25:46.000 I'm just dicking around.

01:25:47.000 Everybody wants love.

01:25:48.000 It's the truth.

01:25:49.000 Oh, for sure, dude. 0.85

01:25:50.000 It's one of the weirdest things when you know somebody who just can't ever fucking get it right.

01:25:53.000 They can't find somebody they care about.

01:25:55.000 Like, everybody knows this one girl or one dude that just can't get a girlfriend or a boyfriend.

01:26:00.000 There's always, like, the struggle.

01:26:02.000 They're always single. 0.99

01:26:03.000 They can't find anybody worth the fuck. 1.00

01:26:06.000 That's sad shit. 1.00

01:26:07.000 What, they can't find anyone to fuck or just worth a fuck? 1.00

01:26:11.000 No, worth a fuck. 1.00

01:26:11.000 I mean, almost everybody, if you lower your standards enough, can find somebody that'll fuck you. 1.00

01:26:16.000 That's you? 0.99

01:26:16.000 No, I mean, I'm not saying that I meet people that aren't worth a fuck, but it is hard to find somebody. 0.99

01:26:25.000 It's no different whether you're a celebrity or not. 0.96

01:26:30.000 It's just hard to meet people.

01:26:33.000 It's hard to really...

01:26:37.000 I guess, trust and believe you know someone.

01:26:41.000 I mean, how well do you ever really know someone, you know?

01:26:45.000 And, you know, how long does it take to say that you really know someone?

01:26:50.000 How do you know what somebody is giving you is really them, you know?

01:26:53.000 It's true. 0.70

01:26:54.000 I mean, there's definitely people that will bullshit you, and there's definitely people that have layers to their personality that you didn't imagine. 0.91

01:27:00.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.94

01:27:01.000 Especially if you cross them. 0.99

01:27:02.000 If you develop some sort of a feud with them and you find out that they're willing to just go completely psycho on you and take shit to the next level and start banging on your fucking door in the middle of the night, screaming, get that hoe out of there. 1.00

01:27:13.000 Well, that's me. 0.99

01:27:15.000 That's what you do?

01:27:16.000 That's your move?

01:27:17.000 I'm totally...

01:27:17.000 Certain people can go mentally insane in the course of a relationship.

01:27:23.000 Right?

01:27:25.000 But no, I feel you, man. 1.00

01:27:27.000 I like to keep a stance where it's like, fuck that. 1.00

01:27:32.000 I don't need anyone. 0.99

01:27:34.000 But deep down, everybody wants somebody that's like a companion.

01:27:38.000 Somebody that's a best friend and a teammate.

01:27:41.000 And I kind of will always want that.

01:27:44.000 But it's not something that I'm like...

01:27:47.000 Searching for it like I used to.

01:27:49.000 For a while, I felt like that was the only way I could get a certain happiness in my life.

01:27:55.000 You just come to terms with it, and you realize that that's not the way.

01:27:59.000 I'm just very hopeful that I'll run into somebody, but it is tough.

01:28:04.000 I meet a lot of cool chicks. 1.00

01:28:06.000 I meet a lot of cool chicks. 1.00

01:28:09.000 For me, it's tough about being at the right place at the right time.

01:28:15.000 Sometimes you're not in the right place in your own head, too.

01:28:17.000 Right, that's what I'm saying.

01:28:18.000 You wouldn't be a good person to be in a relationship with.

01:28:21.000 Yeah, and I really do feel like at this time in my life, there's a lot of soul searching that Scott needs to do.

01:28:30.000 Scott's talking about himself in the third person now?

01:28:31.000 In third person.

01:28:32.000 Yeah.

01:28:33.000 Because I didn't want to admit that, you know? 0.93

01:28:36.000 So when I have to admit shit like that, you know, flaws and all, I have to step out. 0.97

01:28:40.000 Right. 0.99

01:28:41.000 Scott needs to get his shit together. 1.00

01:28:42.000 I have to get my shit together. 1.00

01:28:44.000 It sounds so much worse. 0.99

01:28:47.000 Jefferson Starship, man.

01:28:49.000 They said it back in the 60s.

01:28:50.000 Don't you want somebody to love?

01:28:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:52.000 Don't you need somebody to love?

01:28:54.000 Wouldn't you love somebody to love?

01:28:56.000 Yeah.

01:28:57.000 You better find somebody to love.

01:28:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:59.000 That bitch could sing. 1.00

01:29:01.000 I really feel like, you know... 1.00

01:29:03.000 Well, I actually want to add, before I go into this, how did you meet your lady?

01:29:06.000 Like, was it just like...

01:29:08.000 Because everybody says, like, it happens when you least expect it.

01:29:12.000 Like, was it at a pumpkin patch?

01:29:12.000 I don't like to get too into my personal life on podcasts because I think people fixate on other people's personal lives too much.

01:29:18.000 And it gets weird when people start talking to you in public about your personal life and you don't even know them.

01:29:23.000 So I just found there's no benefit in doing that.

01:29:26.000 But I just met her in a normal environment.

01:29:29.000 I met her in a bar.

01:29:31.000 You can meet people.

01:29:32.000 It's like, where do you go?

01:29:34.000 Well, if you go, people say, oh, you never meet somebody in a bar, or you never meet somebody in a bowling alley.

01:29:39.000 Do you go to a bowling alley?

01:29:40.000 Yes.

01:29:41.000 Okay, well, then you can meet somebody in a bowling alley.

01:29:43.000 People vary.

01:29:44.000 It's just finding them.

01:29:46.000 And that's what's...

01:29:46.000 It's not that easy.

01:29:48.000 Finding the right combination of you and them.

01:29:50.000 And you might be terrible to other people. 1.00

01:29:53.000 Other people might think, the last thing I want is this crazy Scott motherfucker in my life. 1.00

01:29:58.000 Yeah, there's some chicks right now that feel that way. 1.00

01:30:00.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

01:30:01.000 Of course.

01:30:02.000 Sorry, girls. 0.99

01:30:03.000 We're not all compatible with each other.

01:30:05.000 And everybody wants to take that as a sign of rejection or a sign of your own lack of self-worth or something like that.

01:30:14.000 But it's not that.

01:30:15.000 Somewhere out there, there's someone who enjoys your personality.

01:30:18.000 If you're honest and you're nice, like if you're honest with yourself, you understand your flaws, whatever you're trying to do in this life, try to do it well.

01:30:25.000 If you got, you know, you got a lot of positive energy about you, you could probably find somebody.

01:30:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:32.000 But you gotta be worth finding.

01:30:33.000 Yeah, I gotta get out the house, Joe.

01:30:35.000 Gotta get out the house.

01:30:36.000 That's step one.

01:30:37.000 Step two?

01:30:38.000 I play a lot of Xbox, so that's my thing.

01:30:41.000 And whenever you want to come over, you can either go deep, or you could get out of the house.

01:30:47.000 Or you could just go Oculus Rift and live your whole life through the net.

01:30:51.000 That's like coming, man.

01:30:52.000 Yeah.

01:30:52.000 That's on its way.

01:30:53.000 I just have a me character I date in this other realm that's kind of like her, like, you know, and it's just my babe in this world. 0.99

01:31:00.000 She's hot as fuck, and then when you're done banging her, you pull her mask off, and it's you. 1.00

01:31:04.000 You're like, what the hell? 1.00

01:31:06.000 What is that?

01:31:07.000 Well, the thing is, you can always power down.

01:31:09.000 It's not something you gotta deal with all the time.

01:31:12.000 Maybe.

01:31:12.000 Maybe they get you like a hypnotist.

01:31:14.000 Just climb inside your head.

01:31:16.000 I want the world to know that I'm part-time a comedian when I want to.

01:31:21.000 So there's a lot of sarcasm, so just bear with us here.

01:31:25.000 You can kind of decipher most of it.

01:31:29.000 Yeah, you don't want them taking any of your quotes in text.

01:31:31.000 Yeah, because I come from a world where anything that comes out of my mouth is taken so literally.

01:31:37.000 So it's like, I want to make sure that we understand we're dicking around here and having fun.

01:31:41.000 You know, and that's why I came here today, because I don't do interviews and I don't sit down and talk to anybody. 0.98

01:31:47.000 My fans know, because shit's weird. 0.97

01:31:49.000 You know, people aren't cool, you know? 0.99

01:31:51.000 Not everybody's as cool as Joe Rogan, bro, you know?

01:31:53.000 So, like, I'm a big fan, like I said, and I know you talk about psychedelics, and I saw something you were talking about one time when you were talking about how you went into, what is it, one of those chambers?

01:32:05.000 Isolation tank.

01:32:06.000 Yeah.

01:32:06.000 Was it a video?

01:32:08.000 I think.

01:32:09.000 No, it wasn't a video.

01:32:10.000 Brian made a video about it when I gave away my tank.

01:32:12.000 It was like one of your best videos.

01:32:13.000 Oh, you own one, bro?

01:32:15.000 Yeah.

01:32:15.000 Well, yeah, I own one now, but I had another one, my old one.

01:32:18.000 I gave it away online.

01:32:20.000 So we had this thing.

01:32:21.000 Where do you get them?

01:32:22.000 Well, you can buy them.

01:32:23.000 Buy them online. 1.00

01:32:24.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:32:25.000 Yeah, I mean, you can order... 0.69

01:32:27.000 There's a bunch of different companies, but we'll talk afterwards because I'll ask you where you live, and then I'll tell you your best option, but the place that you want to visit, there's a place called the Float Lab, and it's in Venice, and the guy who runs it is my friend Crash.

01:32:40.000 He's actually been on the podcast before, and he's the master when it comes to float tank technology.

01:32:45.000 He's the guy that really changed the entire industry because he used to be kind of We're good to go.

01:33:21.000 Do you live in California?

01:33:22.000 Yeah, I'm here.

01:33:23.000 Okay, well, if you live in California, then there's one place to go.

01:33:25.000 That's the float lab.

01:33:26.000 Here's, if you look at the video, here's Joe's isolation tank he had at his house.

01:33:30.000 This is his old one.

01:33:35.000 I'm talking about the movie Altered States, which is where I found out about isolation tank.

01:33:43.000 You look pretty young there, Joe.

01:33:45.000 It's like 11 or 12 years ago.

01:33:50.000 And on top of that, I also have this right here, which is an oxygen scrubber, just like they have at those oxygen bars.

01:33:58.000 This little machine right here pulls oxygen, pure oxygen, out of the air, and it pumps it through this tube, and this tube gets...

01:34:07.000 It all gets pumped into the tank while I'm lying in it.

01:34:09.000 So I get pure oxygen, which is amazing for your mind anyway.

01:34:14.000 It makes you feel very refreshed.

01:34:15.000 And then on top of that, I'm in this weightless, bodiless experience where it's just you and your thoughts.

01:34:22.000 Usually my experience, it takes me the first 15-20 minutes is always just me thinking about my life, me thinking about my friendships, my relationships. 1.00

01:34:31.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:34:32.000 Are you underwater? 1.00

01:34:33.000 No, you float.

01:34:35.000 There's so much salt in the water that when you lie in it, you just float.

01:34:39.000 Right.

01:34:40.000 So, like, half your body's above the water, like this much, and everything behind it is underwater.

01:34:45.000 So, like, your ears are underwater.

01:34:46.000 So you can either wear earplugs if you want.

01:34:48.000 I don't usually wear earplugs.

01:34:50.000 I just get in.

01:34:51.000 But some people like earplugs.

01:34:52.000 Right.

01:34:53.000 You can just rinse your ears out.

01:34:54.000 And what happens?

01:34:55.000 You float, and you're in total silence.

01:34:57.000 What's the experience?

01:34:58.000 Total darkness.

01:34:59.000 Oh, just total darkness. 1.00

01:35:00.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:35:00.000 It varies. 0.99

01:35:01.000 You feel like you're flying through space.

01:35:03.000 Like, I recently got Graham Hancock into it.

01:35:05.000 He just did a couple of them, and that's his description of it.

01:35:07.000 He said it feels like you're in space.

01:35:09.000 You're flying, because you're weightless.

01:35:11.000 And as you're lying there, like, floating, that never happens in life, where you don't feel like there's anything holding you down.

01:35:18.000 You feel like you're flying through space.

01:35:19.000 Yeah.

01:35:20.000 And because of the fact that you're in this tank with no light coming in and no sound, your brain doesn't have any work to do.

01:35:28.000 It doesn't have to worry about your balance.

01:35:30.000 It doesn't have to worry about moving you around or dealing with your environment in any way.

01:35:33.000 Nothing's coming in.

01:35:34.000 So this tank was created by this guy who's a pioneer in interspecies communications with dolphins.

01:35:42.000 He's this really crazy guy called John Lilly.

01:35:44.000 And he did all these really important...

01:35:49.000 Studies with dolphins, like trying to teach dolphins human words and trying to communicate with them.

01:35:54.000 Their noises are so much different than ours.

01:35:56.000 But he did a lot of it while he was on acid.

01:35:58.000 He was trying to develop a bunch of ways to get outside of the influence of the body.

01:36:02.000 Like, he was being very scientific about it.

01:36:05.000 And his ideas were, he used to have like a scuba tank that was like, like you had a helmet on, like one of those 25,000 leagues under the sea type helmets.

01:36:14.000 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. 0.99

01:36:15.000 Like at first when you were talking about it, I was like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:36:17.000 That's what he used to have. 0.97

01:36:18.000 And he used to have it where it was like hooked up, where it was on a harness, and you would be sort of just dunked in the water.

01:36:25.000 So eventually you'd forget about the helmet, you'd forget about your body, you'd just chill out and relax, and the water was the same temperature as your skin.

01:36:31.000 So it becomes indistinguishable after a while, once he's got it dialed in just right.

01:36:35.000 You don't want it too hot, because then you can sweat.

01:36:37.000 You don't want it too cool, or you're cold in there and you start shivering.

01:36:41.000 He's a Goldilocks, 93 and a half degrees.

01:36:44.000 It's like 93 and a half, some people it's 94. Yeah.

01:36:46.000 So you should do it, man.

01:36:48.000 It's amazing.

01:36:49.000 So you got it at your crib?

01:36:50.000 Yeah, I have one.

01:36:51.000 Could I come over and try it?

01:36:52.000 Sure.

01:36:52.000 Absolutely.

01:36:53.000 I would love to.

01:36:53.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:36:54.000 But if you wanted to get one for your house, too, Crash definitely sells those.

01:36:59.000 I feel like it's something that should be in every university.

01:37:03.000 It's something that should be in just a lot of people.

01:37:07.000 If they have the money or they have the time or the group of people get together and invest in it, It's so beneficial.

01:37:12.000 And it's something that's just not thought of as being an important tool in your life.

01:37:18.000 But the ability to tune the whole world out and just float.

01:37:22.000 That's awesome. 0.98

01:37:22.000 Oh, you trip your balls off too. 0.98

01:37:23.000 But how do you get in and out of it? 0.97

01:37:25.000 Somebody has to help you.

01:37:26.000 No, no, no.

01:37:26.000 It's real easy.

01:37:27.000 It's real easy.

01:37:27.000 It's only 11 inches of water.

01:37:30.000 So as you're lying there, you just stand up when you're done.

01:37:33.000 And you just get out.

01:37:35.000 It's nothing.

01:37:36.000 You can't drown.

01:37:38.000 The water's 11 inches and it's only 6 feet wide.

01:37:40.000 You touch the sides with your hands.

01:37:42.000 You center yourself in the middle and relax.

01:37:45.000 And when you do it, you get more and more comfortable every time you do it.

01:37:49.000 The first time you do it, it'll be a little weird.

01:37:50.000 Everybody's described it pretty much as what I always have said.

01:37:54.000 The first couple times, it's just about getting to relax.

01:37:58.000 Figuring out how to relax.

01:37:59.000 But once you've done it like a few dozen times, then it just becomes that thing you do.

01:38:03.000 You just get in there and you just...

01:38:04.000 But for me, it's giant.

01:38:07.000 Whenever there's any issues that I'm dealing with, any problems that I have, maybe creatively even, you know, I like to go in there.

01:38:13.000 I'll go in there with jujitsu problems.

01:38:14.000 I'll go in there with, like, try to analyze someone's movements.

01:38:18.000 Like, if there's a guy who, like, keeps catching me with a particular submission, I would go in the tank and I would try to work out, like, the defense for the submission in the tank.

01:38:27.000 Oh, wow.

01:38:28.000 Yeah, we go with like a specific goal in mind.

01:38:30.000 Because it makes your brain like supercharged.

01:38:32.000 Because we don't...

01:38:34.000 Like when I'm sitting here, I got a super uncomfortable chair.

01:38:37.000 This is this thing called a saddle chair.

01:38:39.000 A Sally swing something chair. 0.99

01:38:42.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:38:42.000 It's super uncomfortable. 0.99

01:38:43.000 But it's really good for your back.

01:38:45.000 Okay.

01:38:46.000 It makes you sit.

01:38:47.000 It makes you sit like an arrow.

01:38:49.000 Yeah.

01:38:49.000 You know?

01:38:50.000 But it's stupid uncomfortable, man. 0.99

01:38:53.000 What was my point? 1.00

01:38:54.000 No, you were saying that like...

01:38:56.000 I completely lost my point. 1.00

01:38:57.000 I picked up to show the fucking chair. 0.99

01:39:00.000 What was I saying just before that? 1.00

01:39:03.000 None of you guys know.

01:39:04.000 I was listening.

01:39:05.000 Three people in this room.

01:39:07.000 That's a sure sign.

01:39:08.000 You offered me weed!

01:39:09.000 You gave me a joint!

01:39:10.000 That's a sure sign.

01:39:12.000 Whatever I was saying was very ineffective.

01:39:14.000 Because no one remembers it at all.

01:39:16.000 I was following. 1.00

01:39:17.000 Yeah, short-term memories, motherfucker, man. 1.00

01:39:19.000 Yeah, what were you talking about? 1.00

01:39:21.000 I don't know.

01:39:22.000 Oh, we're talking about sensory deprivation.

01:39:24.000 Because this gives me a lot of sensory input.

01:39:27.000 It's uncomfortable. 1.00

01:39:28.000 It's like pinching my dick. 1.00

01:39:29.000 You got to squeeze your legs together to sit up. 1.00

01:39:32.000 And when you're sitting in it, you're constantly kind of working out your legs.

01:39:36.000 Like you're pinching your legs together as you sit here.

01:39:38.000 Oh, that's the only way you can sit up is if you squeeze your legs.

01:39:40.000 Exactly.

01:39:41.000 That's the key to it.

01:39:42.000 The key to it is it's uncomfortable.

01:39:44.000 And when you do sit like that, it activates your core, and it's actually good for your back.

01:39:48.000 And it makes my back feel great.

01:39:49.000 It's amazing. 0.96

01:39:50.000 Like, I do a three-hour podcast, my back doesn't fuck with me at all. 0.60

01:39:53.000 Whereas if I sit in a regular chair, after like three hours, I feel like tight, you know? 0.98

01:39:57.000 I feel like kinked up.

01:39:59.000 This doesn't do that at all.

01:40:00.000 But there's a lot of sensory input.

01:40:03.000 I think...

01:40:04.000 When you're dealing with, like, there's a keyboard in front of you, or you see that light, you see this clock, you see all these different things, you're taking in your entire environment, you're feeling the gravity of your body pulling into the chair.

01:40:15.000 There's all these things that your brain is calculating.

01:40:17.000 And if there were some people next to you that were screaming and yelling, it would be really hard to pay attention to what you're saying.

01:40:22.000 Like, sometimes we do these podcasts and they'll be unloading trucks, and we'll hear the trucks in the background.

01:40:26.000 Ah!

01:40:27.000 Bang! 1.00

01:40:28.000 Bang! 1.00

01:40:28.000 Ah! 1.00

01:40:29.000 We hear the hydraulics and the engines and shit, and it's distracting. 0.98

01:40:33.000 It makes you wish that it would go away, because then you'd be able to formulate your thoughts without any resistance, with less resistance. 0.97

01:40:39.000 But when you're in that tank, that's that state at its best, because there's nothing coming in.

01:40:46.000 There's nothing coming in.

01:40:48.000 It's just your mind.

01:40:49.000 There's nothing coming in.

01:40:50.000 And when you get to that place where there's nothing coming in, it's beautiful. 0.99

01:40:54.000 You get a real chance to go over shit. 0.85

01:40:57.000 Creative stuff or personal stuff or problems. 0.97

01:41:01.000 If you play a game, if there's anything that you do where you're constantly working at it, like some guys play golf or some guys...

01:41:07.000 You can get in that tank and just think about all the various things, the various aspects of anything you're trying to concentrate on.

01:41:13.000 And it offers you this window of concentration that's just unavailable any other way.

01:41:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:41:19.000 I feel you.

01:41:20.000 I mean, I definitely need to try it because I've heard a lot about it, but I never really knew what it was, and I didn't really know how you would go about doing it.

01:41:27.000 Super easy.

01:41:28.000 That's another thing, too.

01:41:28.000 It's like, who do you ask?

01:41:32.000 Right now there's less of them than there should be.

01:41:34.000 There should be all over the place.

01:41:35.000 And people are starting to open up these tank centers.

01:41:37.000 It could be a place where you just go.

01:41:40.000 They have them.

01:41:42.000 There's a bunch of them that are popping up.

01:41:44.000 There's a couple of them in California.

01:41:46.000 But only a couple.

01:41:47.000 But I know that...

01:41:48.000 I know that the guys who run on the map are thinking about starting one.

01:41:51.000 And I know that Crash is opening up a bigger one in Westwood.

01:41:55.000 It's just very under...

01:41:56.000 As far as the amount of demand, it's very underutilized.

01:42:00.000 That demand is undertapped into.

01:42:02.000 Because I think a lot of people would like it.

01:42:04.000 And Burbank one's still there, I think.

01:42:06.000 Yep.

01:42:06.000 Soothing Solutions, which is in Burbank, which is where I first went in 2002. And I got hooked immediately.

01:42:15.000 I couldn't imagine that this was something that so few people were talking about.

01:42:19.000 You got to try it.

01:42:20.000 You got to try it.

01:42:21.000 And you were actually the first person, I might have heard about it in another conversation too, but you were the first person I heard talk about it extensively in detail.

01:42:29.000 And it wasn't this video.

01:42:30.000 I heard you talking about it in one of your podcasts. 0.96

01:42:32.000 Yeah, I won't shut the fuck up about it. 0.90

01:42:33.000 And people get mad. 0.96

01:42:34.000 Well, you have one.

01:42:35.000 Yeah, it's not just that.

01:42:37.000 I'm telling you, if you haven't tried it, you don't know.

01:42:40.000 I'm telling you for your own good.

01:42:42.000 If I'm beating a dead horse, I apologize. 0.99

01:42:46.000 You're just one of the lucky sons of bitches that has one in this house. 1.00

01:42:50.000 Look, there's a lot of people that do renovations to their house. 0.99

01:42:53.000 They do all these different things.

01:42:54.000 They spend a lot of money.

01:42:56.000 That doesn't even come into the realm of possibility.

01:42:59.000 Like, we've got to get a hot tub.

01:43:01.000 That's there.

01:43:01.000 People love to get hot tubs.

01:43:03.000 Oh, Mike and Sue got a new hot tub.

01:43:05.000 Let's come on over.

01:43:05.000 We'll go sit in a jacuzzi.

01:43:06.000 Oh, nice.

01:43:07.000 What does this run you?

01:43:08.000 That's about five grand.

01:43:09.000 A little more, Bob. 1.00

01:43:11.000 And they have these fucking stupid conversations, but if one of them said, hey man, I'm thinking about getting an isolation tank, which is like, you could get one for less than that. 0.99

01:43:18.000 I think a company called Zen Float, they make one that's really inexpensive. 1.00

01:43:22.000 I think it's like $1,700.

01:43:24.000 It's like the least expensive one.

01:43:26.000 It's not the same as crashes.

01:43:28.000 Not even close.

01:43:30.000 It's flimsy, but it'll work.

01:43:33.000 I don't know how it deadens the sound anyway, but I guess being underwater deadens the sound.

01:43:39.000 Maybe it works great.

01:43:40.000 Maybe it's enough.

01:43:42.000 It's definitely better than nothing.

01:43:43.000 That's for sure.

01:43:44.000 The kids are talking about us on Twitter.

01:43:46.000 I love it. 1.00

01:43:46.000 Don't pay attention to that shit. 1.00

01:43:47.000 No, it's great. 1.00

01:43:49.000 It's great.

01:43:49.000 It's a live feed.

01:43:49.000 They start being mean to you, so you pay attention to them.

01:43:51.000 They love it.

01:43:53.000 Of course they do.

01:43:54.000 They love us, bro. 0.99

01:43:54.000 This will fuck you up, though. 0.99

01:43:55.000 You can't be doing that while you're doing a podcast. 0.98

01:43:57.000 We'll never get to talking.

01:43:59.000 We'll be doing no talking.

01:44:00.000 You'll just be interacting.

01:44:01.000 I was like, we've been on here kicking it.

01:44:02.000 I wonder how you feel right now. 1.00

01:44:04.000 You can't worry about that shit, man. 1.00

01:44:06.000 You can't trust them. 1.00

01:44:08.000 You can't trust them with your thoughts.

01:44:11.000 Dawn of the Dead.

01:44:12.000 You got a Dawn of the Dead shirt.

01:44:13.000 Yeah, man, I'm awesome. 0.99

01:44:13.000 That's a dope fucking horror movie. 0.99

01:44:15.000 That was scary as shit. 1.00

01:44:18.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:44:18.000 When that movie came out and they were going through the mall, when the zombies were wandering through the mall. 0.99

01:44:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:44:23.000 The people don't know.

01:44:24.000 All these people today that are so spoiled because we've had about a billion fucking zombie movies. 0.96

01:44:29.000 Back then when Dawn of the Dead was around, when that movie first came out, That was a game changer. 0.99

01:44:35.000 It made people shit their pants.

01:44:36.000 And I think that that's like, you know, I'm a big Walkie Dead fan and you're a Walking Dead fan.

01:44:40.000 So like, you know, like Greg Nicotero, who's just like, you know, special effects legend, you know, did a lot of the earlier special effects in these movies, you know, and just to see Walking Dead and see like just how they use real practical effects and all the gore is just so real looking.

01:44:57.000 Yeah, so sick, man.

01:44:58.000 I'm just a horror movie fanatic, man.

01:45:01.000 I've just been obsessed with horror since I was a kid.

01:45:04.000 Me too.

01:45:04.000 The only thing that bugs me about The Walking Dead is uniformity of their slasher sounds.

01:45:10.000 What do you mean?

01:45:11.000 When they're cutting somebody up, when they're killing people and stuff, you know, when they're hacking up zombies.

01:45:16.000 The sounds are all the same.

01:45:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:45:20.000 I never noticed.

01:45:20.000 There's not a lot of variety in the sounds they make when they cut open their heads.

01:45:24.000 Man, they get gruesome.

01:45:26.000 It's always like...

01:45:26.000 It's always the same...

01:45:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:29.000 It's like the cat sound.

01:45:31.000 Every time somebody throws something out the window, it's always the exact same.

01:45:34.000 Like...

01:45:34.000 It's always super exaggerated, too.

01:45:37.000 I would just like a little realism.

01:45:38.000 Sometimes when you hit someone in the head with a bat, it doesn't make the best sound. 0.87

01:45:42.000 Sometimes you just graze them.

01:45:43.000 It doesn't have that same every time.

01:45:48.000 You're the bat specialist. 0.61

01:45:51.000 You just know.

01:45:52.000 Well, I've seen a lot of zombie movies, bro.

01:45:54.000 I know.

01:45:55.000 If done correctly.

01:45:57.000 It makes a different sound.

01:45:58.000 Like, the best was 28 Days Later.

01:46:01.000 In my opinion, that's the best zombie movie of all time.

01:46:04.000 Shaun of the Dead.

01:46:04.000 Did you see the second one?

01:46:05.000 Shaun of the Dead was fun.

01:46:06.000 That was really fun.

01:46:07.000 The sequel was great, too, though.

01:46:07.000 The sequel was great.

01:46:08.000 28 Weeks Later, that was great, too. 0.99

01:46:10.000 Look, there was a difference in that those zombies were scary as fuck. 0.99

01:46:15.000 They ran at you. 1.00

01:46:17.000 And they could bite you, and if it got in you, you would instantly turn.

01:46:21.000 There were some wild scenes.

01:46:23.000 That scene, spoiler alert, where that chick chops her boyfriend up with a machete. 1.00

01:46:28.000 He got bit, and she goes, let me see your arm. 1.00

01:46:30.000 And she looks at him and goes, no.

01:46:32.000 And she just starts hacking at him with a machete. 1.00

01:46:34.000 That is dark.

01:46:36.000 It's real life. 1.00

01:46:37.000 Fuck yeah, it is. 1.00

01:46:38.000 It's real life, Joe Rogan. 1.00

01:46:39.000 That's real life zombie life.

01:46:41.000 It's not real life, it's a movie.

01:46:44.000 In my eyes, it's real life, Joe. 0.99

01:46:46.000 That was a fucking great movie, man. 0.99

01:46:49.000 That was a great horror movie. 0.99

01:46:51.000 So you're into like the special effects guys and everything.

01:46:54.000 You know who they are.

01:46:54.000 Yeah, I'm into like, you know...

01:46:58.000 Art.

01:46:59.000 And I look at that as an art form.

01:47:01.000 That's how those guys do it. 0.97

01:47:02.000 It's sick.

01:47:04.000 It takes a certain level of expertise and taste.

01:47:08.000 I'm just a fan of it.

01:47:10.000 Anybody that can do a horror movie with no CGI, bravo.

01:47:13.000 And then it'd still be funny and believable, or a TV show or anything.

01:47:18.000 It's, you know, not easy.

01:47:20.000 Oh, it's really hard.

01:47:22.000 These guys, like Pat McGee is the guy who did The Werewolf out there.

01:47:26.000 Yo, that freaked me out when I walked in.

01:47:28.000 I was like, okay, okay, I know I'm in the right place.

01:47:31.000 The Rick Baker werewolf from American Werewolf in London.

01:47:34.000 And one of the beautiful things about that movie was that there was no CGI. It was all Rick Baker's creation.

01:47:39.000 And they had to show it to you in these little flashes.

01:47:42.000 They couldn't just show you so much of it like they do today.

01:47:45.000 Like now, yeah, the monsters look way better, for sure.

01:47:50.000 But they're showing you too much.

01:47:52.000 So in showing you too much...

01:47:55.000 It actually looks shittier.

01:47:57.000 There's a lot of monster movies where one of the weird things about monsters, like a real monster movie, is you see them so briefly before they kill you.

01:48:06.000 It's like, oh Jesus, and then you're dead.

01:48:08.000 They sort of represented that in American Werewolf in London. 1.00

01:48:12.000 You saw that thing for a frame, two frames, and you were shit in your pants. 0.97

01:48:18.000 The guy was running through the subway, and there's a brief... 0.99

01:48:21.000 A couple frames where the werewolf's at the bottom of the escalator, and it's down there, and he's traveling up, and he sees the werewolf starting to make its way up the escalator, and he's shitting his pants.

01:48:30.000 It's a couple seconds, and it's gone.

01:48:32.000 And it's like, goddammit, it's so much better than showing people a CGI... Those movies that are kind of fun, underworld, those kind of underworld movies, but the werewolf is the hour of screen time as a werewolf.

01:48:46.000 You get used to seeing it.

01:48:48.000 It's not scary anymore.

01:48:49.000 It's like, you know, if you can tease the audience and build up that anticipation, it's like, you know, because you can, you know, do the CGI and make, you know, The monster look more present in the scene.

01:49:03.000 People aren't thinking about giving it to them in doses.

01:49:08.000 Some movies have done it dope. 1.00

01:49:10.000 I liked Cloverfield.

01:49:11.000 I thought that was sick.

01:49:13.000 The new Godzilla I thought was dope.

01:49:15.000 I wasn't mad at it.

01:49:17.000 It was fun to watch.

01:49:18.000 The dude who kept surviving bummed me out a little bit. 0.99

01:49:21.000 I was just like, this motherfucker has the worst luck, yet the best luck ever. 0.99

01:49:25.000 He keeps getting in these cataclysmic situations and keeps getting out with a band-aid. 1.00

01:49:31.000 Everybody else is dead. 1.00

01:49:32.000 This fucking dude rises from every ass, brushes himself off. 1.00

01:49:35.000 We gotta fight Godzilla. 1.00

01:49:36.000 He's not freaking the fuck out that a bridge just missed his head. 0.59

01:49:40.000 No, he's like, we gotta get Godzilla.

01:49:43.000 Gotta save my family and get Godzilla.

01:49:45.000 Still haven't seen it.

01:49:46.000 Oh my god.

01:49:47.000 It's worth seeing just for the end scene.

01:49:49.000 Just for the fight scene between Godzilla and the other monster.

01:49:52.000 Yeah.

01:49:53.000 That's epic.

01:49:54.000 That's pretty dope.

01:49:54.000 I wasn't expecting that.

01:49:55.000 That was pretty dope.

01:49:56.000 And then it reminds you that Godzilla is really about Godzilla.

01:49:59.000 Well, Godzilla is a hero movie.

01:50:01.000 It's like, Godzilla is a hero.

01:50:04.000 Godzilla is a hero.

01:50:05.000 So is King Kong.

01:50:06.000 Those are hero movies.

01:50:08.000 They're not scary movies.

01:50:09.000 It's not like a monster movie.

01:50:10.000 Like King Kong, you only see him in brief seconds.

01:50:12.000 It wouldn't work.

01:50:13.000 That's one of the main problems with special effects and a movie like King Kong.

01:50:17.000 It always had to be special effects.

01:50:19.000 From the 1930 movie.

01:50:21.000 You gotta see him all the time.

01:50:23.000 It's not like this monster you briefly see for a second and then it gets you.

01:50:27.000 Like the original Alien.

01:50:28.000 Oh, yeah.

01:50:29.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:50:30.000 I mean, but that's the shit. 0.99

01:50:32.000 I mean, Aliens is always going to be a classic. 0.99

01:50:34.000 The original one was the best because you barely saw it.

01:50:38.000 I think they all were kind of like that, though. 0.87

01:50:40.000 Because in the environments that they were at, it was just so fucking shady.

01:50:43.000 Like, you know, in the spaceships and... 0.99

01:50:46.000 Well, the second one was pretty fucking dope. 0.97

01:50:48.000 That was the James Cameron one, Aliens. 0.99

01:50:51.000 But it was different than the first one. 0.99

01:50:53.000 Because the first one, you barely saw that fucking thing. 0.99

01:50:55.000 You barely saw it. 1.00

01:50:57.000 It was always... 0.71

01:50:58.000 And by the time they saw it, it would be on them and it would kill them and that would be it.

01:51:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:51:02.000 And then the second one, they're everywhere, and they're just shooting them and killing them. 0.99

01:51:04.000 Like, they kill them so much easier. 0.96

01:51:06.000 The first one, it was like this super intelligent thing that was sneaking up on you. 0.86

01:51:10.000 It was like some super genius alien.

01:51:13.000 And the second one, it was like this trailer park alien.

01:51:16.000 And there was a million of them. 1.00

01:51:18.000 And they were all idiots. 1.00

01:51:19.000 They were all idiots. 1.00

01:51:20.000 Like, the first alien was brilliant. 1.00

01:51:22.000 It was so clever and sneaky.

01:51:25.000 It knew where people were going, and it would ambush them.

01:51:28.000 It would hide. 1.00

01:51:30.000 And then the second movie, they were all dumb. 1.00

01:51:32.000 They were just jacking them. 1.00

01:51:34.000 They would just run into a room and kill four or five of them. 0.97

01:51:37.000 The third one was my favorite. 0.96

01:51:39.000 Really?

01:51:39.000 With Rock in it.

01:51:41.000 The Rock was in it?

01:51:42.000 Oh, he's a nice guy, man.

01:51:44.000 I met that dude once.

01:51:45.000 He seems awesome.

01:51:46.000 I was on a TV show with him.

01:51:46.000 Like one of those talk show type things.

01:51:49.000 Back when he was doing that show. 0.99

01:51:51.000 He was cool as fuck. 0.95

01:51:52.000 Yeah, he seems cool. 0.97

01:51:53.000 Very friendly.

01:51:54.000 But he was a badass in that movie.

01:51:55.000 He was the only person I've ever seen in that whole franchise.

01:51:57.000 Go toe to toe.

01:51:59.000 That's right.

01:52:00.000 Go toe-to-toe.

01:52:01.000 Wasn't Winona Ryder in that one, too? 0.99

01:52:03.000 Or was she in the fourth one?

01:52:05.000 How many of them have been there?

01:52:06.000 The third one was, he was in the third one, right?

01:52:09.000 Am I right?

01:52:10.000 I think so.

01:52:11.000 Because that was the one she killed herself.

01:52:13.000 Right.

01:52:13.000 Because she had the baby.

01:52:14.000 She had the baby inside of her. 0.73

01:52:14.000 And she fell into the lava, right? 0.73

01:52:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:52:16.000 Damn, she wanted to kill the baby. 1.00

01:52:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:52:18.000 And that was the one where he was down there about to square up with the dude because he ran out of ammo. 1.00

01:52:24.000 Yeah.

01:52:25.000 It was like, is that all you got?

01:52:26.000 It was like fighting him.

01:52:27.000 Yeah, that's right. 1.00

01:52:29.000 So fucking G. Yeah. 0.99

01:52:31.000 That didn't end well, though, for him. 0.99

01:52:33.000 Yeah, but you know, hey, we don't make it in these movies like that.

01:52:37.000 We don't make it.

01:52:38.000 But he is probably in a horror movie.

01:52:41.000 I wouldn't even call that a horror movie.

01:52:42.000 It was more like a sci-fi thriller.

01:52:45.000 The first one was a horror movie.

01:52:46.000 Yeah, but by the third one, it was just more like a...

01:52:49.000 It didn't come off more...

01:52:50.000 It was more like action and sci-fi.

01:52:52.000 But that was the only time I've ever seen in that franchise, if we dare call it a horror, where, you know... 0.99

01:52:59.000 You know, the black character goes out in such a way where it's like, you know, fuck that, you know? 0.99

01:53:04.000 Going out swinging, like, to some shit like that, come on. 1.00

01:53:07.000 Like an alien, like, dude. 0.99

01:53:09.000 Like, come on, Joe Rogan.

01:53:10.000 Yeah.

01:53:10.000 You would not, you would not square up with no alien like that.

01:53:14.000 Yeah, who would you do? 1.00

01:53:15.000 You just, like, shit your pants. 0.99

01:53:17.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:53:17.000 Let it eat you. 1.00

01:53:18.000 Exactly. 0.80

01:53:19.000 It's gonna eat you.

01:53:19.000 It's happening.

01:53:20.000 Yeah.

01:53:20.000 It's just happening.

01:53:21.000 It's like, if a puppy talks shit to you, you're like, what? 1.00

01:53:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:26.000 That's what it's like.

01:53:27.000 You know, that's what the alien is like with a person.

01:53:30.000 Yeah, truth be told.

01:53:31.000 Yeah, and then it became Aliens vs. 0.96

01:53:33.000 Predators. 0.99

01:53:34.000 Like, what the fuck did you do? 0.99

01:53:36.000 It's a slow degradation from one of the greatest horror movies of all time, a Ridley Scott masterpiece, to this preposterous, just action, fun film. 0.99

01:53:47.000 I mean, they're fun.

01:53:47.000 I didn't watch that, though.

01:53:48.000 I watched Alien vs.

01:53:50.000 one of them.

01:53:50.000 One of them, I remember, was in the middle.

01:53:52.000 Oh, there was more than one?

01:53:53.000 Oh, there was like a thousand of them.

01:53:55.000 No! 1.00

01:53:55.000 Fuck that! 1.00

01:53:57.000 How many Aliens vs. 1.00

01:53:58.000 Predators?

01:53:58.000 No!

01:53:59.000 If I had to guess, let me guess.

01:54:00.000 I want to say there's three or four Aliens vs. 0.71

01:54:03.000 Predators.

01:54:04.000 I don't believe this.

01:54:05.000 I remember there was one.

01:54:07.000 There's only two? 1.00

01:54:08.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:54:09.000 I'm not buying that. 0.99

01:54:11.000 Maybe there was a TV show?

01:54:12.000 No, no.

01:54:13.000 There was movies, man.

01:54:14.000 It's like Transformers.

01:54:16.000 How many Transformers movies were there?

01:54:17.000 Three.

01:54:18.000 Well, four if you count the cartoon.

01:54:21.000 Three, yeah.

01:54:23.000 No, four.

01:54:24.000 You got the touch.

01:54:26.000 Isn't there a new one that's coming out or something?

01:54:27.000 What's Alien?

01:54:28.000 That's the one that just came out.

01:54:29.000 That already came out?

01:54:30.000 The Marky Mark one?

01:54:31.000 Yeah.

01:54:31.000 That's been and gone already?

01:54:32.000 Yeah.

01:54:35.000 Not so good?

01:54:36.000 Wait, no man.

01:54:37.000 You gotta bring back Sia LaBeou. 1.00

01:54:38.000 Yeah, he's crazy, but he knows how to fucking sell the shit out of some robots. 0.96

01:54:42.000 How many Transformers are there, though? 1.00

01:54:43.000 There's the original one.

01:54:45.000 Movies.

01:54:46.000 The new ones.

01:54:47.000 Yeah.

01:54:47.000 The action ones, there's three.

01:54:49.000 Okay, alright.

01:54:50.000 There was one that just came out with Mark Wahlberg.

01:54:51.000 Yeah, and that's the third one.

01:54:52.000 How many Aliens vs.

01:54:53.000 Predators is it?

01:54:55.000 Just two?

01:54:55.000 Yeah.

01:54:56.000 Two, it looks like.

01:54:58.000 Wow.

01:54:59.000 I would've assumed there was more.

01:55:00.000 Man, I didn't even, I mean...

01:55:02.000 What was Alien Resurrection?

01:55:04.000 That was the one, that was 4. That was when she came back.

01:55:06.000 That was when they took her DNA. Yeah, she came back.

01:55:08.000 And they cloned her.

01:55:09.000 They somehow or another got her DNA, they cloned her, and that was weird.

01:55:14.000 It's like, how is this happening?

01:55:16.000 Sigourney Weaver's just back. 0.97

01:55:17.000 And then there was the Prometheus movie, which was weird as fuck, too.

01:55:21.000 I wonder if they're going to do another one. 0.90

01:55:22.000 I think so.

01:55:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:55:24.000 Prometheus could have been...

01:55:25.000 I don't know, man.

01:55:26.000 It's hard.

01:55:27.000 Like we said, the idea of putting together a movie.

01:55:30.000 Just the idea of getting all those people together.

01:55:32.000 I enjoyed Prometheus.

01:55:33.000 I mean, it wasn't the perfect sci-fi movie.

01:55:35.000 It wasn't as good as the original one, but I enjoyed it.

01:55:37.000 I thought it was fun.

01:55:38.000 And I love the idea behind it.

01:55:40.000 The idea of like, that's how he introduces his DNA into the new virgin planet by taking some horrible poison that breaks him down and he dies, falls into the water, and then slowly but surely a natural course of evolution grows out of his DNA and that's how people are created.

01:55:59.000 That's fascinating to me. 0.91

01:56:01.000 I mean, I ain't never seen no shit like that. 0.98

01:56:03.000 So I entertained it. 0.98

01:56:04.000 I enjoyed it.

01:56:05.000 Well, I think that Ridley Scott is brilliant.

01:56:07.000 And I think he's probably been thinking about this for a long time before he created this.

01:56:12.000 And I don't know who wrote the screenplay.

01:56:14.000 But I would imagine all of them have been thinking about this for a long time.

01:56:17.000 Like, if you were going to, like, the right way to introduce life into another planet...

01:56:22.000 It'd be like, just get a planet that doesn't have any life, and you just inject something.

01:56:27.000 And if it's a body, especially, that breaks down, that body has also got all sorts of bacteria and weird shit on it, and that's going to come out when it dies, and the bacteria starts eating its flesh, and will they be able to transmit...

01:56:51.000 I mean, how far can a body go?

01:57:06.000 And that this planet had no biological life and you brought a body and you just threw it there.

01:57:13.000 All it had is plant life.

01:57:15.000 Is it possible that that could somehow or another have enough fuel from eating that body and figuring out how to subside off plants that they would figure out some sort of a way to become a viable life form on a planet?

01:57:28.000 Is that outside the realm of possibility?

01:57:30.000 Yeah.

01:57:30.000 Is that stoner talk?

01:57:33.000 Is it?

01:57:33.000 I mean...

01:57:34.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:57:35.000 I mean...

01:57:35.000 I don't think it's too...

01:57:36.000 I don't think it's too crazy.

01:57:38.000 I mean...

01:57:40.000 And then if some other dude landed on that same planet and then got sick...

01:57:44.000 From this bacteria that was created by the body that was left behind before. 0.99

01:57:48.000 Then he takes it back to his planet and everybody gets fucked up and they all die.

01:57:52.000 And then the planet where the bacteria was, that bacteria has figured out how to form a civilization and has Wi-Fi. 0.93

01:57:59.000 And they've spread out and become people.

01:58:01.000 And they call themselves humans. 1.00

01:58:03.000 Yeah, if you get too high you can think some really stupid shit. 1.00

01:58:06.000 And you can talk about it on a podcast like I just did. 1.00

01:58:11.000 But everybody's fascinated by that subject of aliens, the idea of aliens creating people.

01:58:16.000 Yeah.

01:58:17.000 Like a movie like Prometheus.

01:58:19.000 Yeah.

01:58:20.000 Because, I mean, like, it's entertaining to kind of play with that idea, you know, for a minute.

01:58:26.000 Yeah.

01:58:27.000 It's entertaining to think that someone's going to come visit, too.

01:58:29.000 Yeah.

01:58:30.000 I mean, everybody loves aliens.

01:58:32.000 Yeah, I mean, you would even...

01:58:33.000 Except predators. 0.99

01:58:34.000 They don't fuck with aliens at all. 0.99

01:58:37.000 If you lived on an island somewhere and you're by yourself, just out there, just you, sitting around, maybe you got a dog, you're sitting on this island, you got plenty of food, but you're bored as fuck, just looking out, waiting for someone to come. 0.99

01:58:49.000 Someone. 0.96

01:58:50.000 Anyone.

01:58:51.000 Just let me see a light.

01:58:52.000 Someone.

01:58:53.000 I think that's kind of what's going on with us.

01:58:56.000 It's like, yeah, we have each other, but the reality is we're on some weird round boat that's just bobbing around in the universe, and we want someone to come visit us.

01:59:06.000 What are just people like us that are like... 0.99

01:59:08.000 Hey man, most of these people suck. 1.00

01:59:11.000 Can y'all come down here and fuck with us? 1.00

01:59:15.000 Come take us where you're at and teach us your ways. 1.00

01:59:19.000 But a lot of people don't suck, right? 0.99

01:59:21.000 I think the real thing is figuring out how to make less people suck. 0.99

01:59:25.000 Yeah. 0.80

01:59:25.000 And figuring out how to way to accept To accept people for things they've done wrong, too. 0.80

01:59:31.000 I just think it's love, man.

01:59:33.000 I just think a lot more love.

01:59:34.000 You need that in the world. 0.89

01:59:36.000 There's ways to do it without it sounding so silly.

01:59:41.000 It's just something that people need to do internally.

01:59:44.000 Yeah, it seems like an easy thing to say, right?

01:59:47.000 All you need is love.

01:59:48.000 Yeah, but it's like, you know what?

01:59:49.000 To be hopeful is a good thing.

01:59:54.000 It's super valuable.

01:59:55.000 It's everything.

01:59:56.000 If you're not hopeful, you got nothing.

02:00:00.000 Your attitude determines your success in a lot of your endeavors in life.

02:00:05.000 Your attitude, your approach that you take to it. 0.99

02:00:07.000 Sam Harris fucked me up, man. 0.96

02:00:09.000 I had this dude, Sam Harris, on the podcast, and he was talking about determinism. 0.93

02:00:13.000 And it's the idea that no one has free will.

02:00:16.000 And that basically everything about your personality has been formed by your interactions with your life experiences, your DNA, your genetics, your neighborhood that you grew up in.

02:00:24.000 And that that's just, no matter what you do, inescapable.

02:00:29.000 And that there is no free will. 0.98

02:00:30.000 Like, every decision you make is based on all the shit that's happened before. 0.99

02:00:33.000 Your fate is your fate. 0.99

02:00:34.000 Yeah.

02:00:35.000 Well, it's not even that your fate is your fate.

02:00:36.000 Well, I mean your destiny, I mean.

02:00:36.000 It's sort of been determined by your past experiences and the chemical interactions with those past experiences.

02:00:43.000 And that you're on a path, and that path is almost undeniable.

02:00:48.000 It's a weird sort of a semantic argument, too.

02:00:51.000 Man, what's going on when you decide to not do coke anymore?

02:00:55.000 What's going on when you decide, you know, that's it, I'm not smoking anymore?

02:00:59.000 What is going on? 0.99

02:01:00.000 Because part of me wants to say, hey, Scott did some powerful shit. 0.99

02:01:05.000 He stepped up and he uses willpower and he uses intelligence to realize that he was on a bad path. 0.97

02:01:11.000 And that's an admirable thing to talk about because it inspires people who might be on a bad path themselves to kind of like catch your momentum and gives them confidence. 0.98

02:01:22.000 It gives them confidence hearing you today with your shit together all cool as fuck and think about you being this guy who was doing coke all the time and didn't like it. 0.96

02:01:32.000 I feel like there's got to be something there that made you do that. 0.99

02:01:36.000 This idea of pure determinism is really fascinating and I get it.

02:01:40.000 I totally get it.

02:01:42.000 I just wonder how much of personal choice is just...

02:01:48.000 What is the force that makes a person decide to do the right thing?

02:01:53.000 Well, I think it goes back to what we were talking about before.

02:01:59.000 If you kind of start from one place where you got to make your own way, it just kind of makes it a little bit...

02:02:08.000 You savor it a little bit more, and it means more when you get it.

02:02:11.000 Because you had to really work and achieve something. 0.98

02:02:14.000 But my whole thing is, when I was a kid, I was immediately looked at as someone who wasn't going to amount to shit. 0.98

02:02:29.000 It's just like, talk about starting from the bottom, that's the bottom. 0.99

02:02:33.000 When motherfuckers look at you as a human being and be like, oh, he's not going to amount to anything. 0.99

02:02:36.000 And you know that's what teachers, you know that's what your peers, you know that's what certain people in the neighborhood may think of you. 1.00

02:02:42.000 Because of whatever reason, whatever.

02:02:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:02:46.000 Off you just being in a certain environment.

02:02:51.000 So you already have that against you.

02:02:54.000 And then you don't want to conform.

02:02:56.000 You don't want to be a statistic.

02:02:59.000 And that's kind of like what my thing was. 0.99

02:03:02.000 I just didn't want to be another nigga out here lost and shit. 1.00

02:03:06.000 And that was what I made that choice at that time. 0.99

02:03:13.000 And I knew that me making that choice would help other people see that they can make the choice. 0.98

02:03:19.000 Because I was also inspired by some people that were in my space that weren't falling into the other shit. 0.97

02:03:25.000 It might have been one of my homies that was like... 0.98

02:03:31.000 We're good to go.

02:03:44.000 Because we got that option too, you know?

02:03:47.000 So it's like, it was just a lot of things I was able to just like, and I was the youngest of four, so you know, I was able to just kind of be young and look at my older siblings and kind of like learn what not to do, and that's kind of why I used that whole like, I'm your big brother phrase in my music,

02:04:04.000 because I feel like, you know, even with the mistakes I've made, that's what a big brother is supposed to do.

02:04:09.000 Like, I'm supposed to To make some mistakes so you can learn, you know?

02:04:12.000 And then those kids will learn and then they'll make their own mistakes and then there'll be a bunch of other kids that'll learn, you know?

02:04:17.000 It's like a system, you know?

02:04:19.000 And I kind of like, you know, I like that I'm that person.

02:04:23.000 You know, I like to take that whole Big Brother thing to that, you know, to the full extent into the music.

02:04:29.000 But I really believe that I had the odds against me in such a way.

02:04:33.000 And I also just...

02:04:35.000 I felt like everybody thought I was a loser from day one.

02:04:39.000 I was tired of feeling like that.

02:04:42.000 I was tired of people looking at me in that way and I wanted to finally find whatever it was that was my own, my calling to prove that, you know, because I tried everything else.

02:04:52.000 Do you think that in some ways, like, coming from a troubled background is like almost a gift?

02:04:57.000 Because it gives you that burning fire.

02:04:59.000 Or do you think it's like a double-edged sword because it gives you that gift, but it also gives you, like, this hole that sometimes is difficult to keep filled?

02:05:08.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

02:05:09.000 I don't know.

02:05:09.000 I see what you're saying, but it's hard to say.

02:05:11.000 Right.

02:05:11.000 Because everybody's circumstance is different.

02:05:13.000 Of course.

02:05:14.000 You know, like, it could be somebody who came from money that still got the same, like...

02:05:18.000 You know, DNA and teachings that my mom gave me because they just had really good parents, except they came for money.

02:05:24.000 Like, it don't really matter, you know what I'm saying?

02:05:26.000 And it could still be drugs in the suburbs, and it could still be all these things that one could get caught up with in the suburbs.

02:05:33.000 For sure.

02:05:33.000 You know, anywhere else.

02:05:34.000 So, like, it's hard to say.

02:05:37.000 You know, I just had...

02:05:39.000 And this is another thing I was talking to somebody about, you know, because...

02:05:43.000 You know, I was raised, when I think of strength, I think of a woman.

02:05:49.000 I was raised by my mom, you know?

02:05:52.000 And that is something that I, you know, she's someone I always will look up to, how she just sacrificed everything and took care of us, you know, on a teacher's salary.

02:06:00.000 And that, for me, is like I got that role model. 0.57

02:06:03.000 Like somebody who, like, could have just been like, damn, I got four kids, I need to be chasing a man and trying to find some man to come take care of us. 0.72

02:06:12.000 It was more like, you know, I got married, it didn't work out. 0.97

02:06:16.000 Now I just need to figure it out for my kids.

02:06:18.000 I just have that.

02:06:22.000 I just kind of always looked up to my mom in that way.

02:06:26.000 I didn't want to be a failure to her.

02:06:29.000 I wanted to...

02:06:31.000 Show her that I could be great and be as strong as she was.

02:06:36.000 That's beautiful, man.

02:06:37.000 That's really a beautiful thing to say.

02:06:39.000 That's a cool story, man.

02:06:41.000 I love that.

02:06:42.000 I just feel like there's a certain amount of energy that people get from wanting to prove other folks wrong.

02:06:50.000 Yeah, no, for sure, for sure.

02:06:51.000 And it can help you in some ways.

02:06:55.000 It can certainly help you.

02:06:56.000 But I think sometimes even like when you're talking about the benefits you had of cocaine, like there's benefits to it.

02:07:02.000 It's like you could say things and do things that you ordinarily wouldn't be able to do.

02:07:05.000 Yeah.

02:07:05.000 Well, there's the motivation of like proving people wrong.

02:07:10.000 You know, I'll show you. 0.99

02:07:11.000 You said I wasn't going to be shit. 1.00

02:07:12.000 I'll show you. 0.99

02:07:13.000 Like you get to a certain point in time, that could kind of play against you too, right?

02:07:17.000 Yes, it can backfire because then it becomes, for me, it becomes like, I definitely did my last, not the album I did, my album before last with that angry, spiteful,

02:07:33.000 villainous energy.

02:07:35.000 And I was able to make some really great records, but it was the most aggressive music I had ever made.

02:07:41.000 Right.

02:07:42.000 And some of it was the most aggressive on a lot of levels.

02:07:45.000 Not even in the mean way, but just the music itself.

02:07:49.000 And I benefited what I... Set out to do.

02:07:55.000 It all benefited.

02:07:58.000 It wasn't the normal way I went about making an album.

02:08:02.000 So it was weird.

02:08:04.000 It was something that I took a step back with afterwards and then dropped the second album.

02:08:09.000 I was like, alright, this one's not so...

02:08:11.000 I really feel like I'm going up against the masses.

02:08:15.000 I really have something to prove here.

02:08:17.000 This is more about just being at some type of peace and just having things sorted out once all the madness is all done.

02:08:25.000 Now it's just right.

02:08:29.000 That's why I did Indica and then I did Satellite Flight.

02:08:33.000 I feel like Indica was me just figuring out how to produce, you know, and make records and then Satellite Flight was me having it mastered and finally putting together something that was just like fine-tuned, you know, but in a different structure where I have like some instrumentals and then You know,

02:08:49.000 they're kind of like interludes.

02:08:51.000 And then, you know, records that are just completely, you know, formatted in different ways.

02:08:57.000 Maybe not the three-verse, two-hook formula.

02:09:00.000 Maybe just one long verse and one outro.

02:09:03.000 And, you know, maybe no hook at all.

02:09:04.000 Maybe no drums for the first minute and 30 seconds.

02:09:07.000 But there's, like, raps.

02:09:08.000 You know?

02:09:09.000 Just experimenting and trying things.

02:09:11.000 You know, not that I have that expertise with creating a record.

02:09:14.000 Did you ever listen to the Brand New Heavies?

02:09:19.000 I know some records, yeah.

02:09:20.000 The Brand New Heavies did this rap thing where they're...

02:09:24.000 God, I was trying to remember the name of it.

02:09:26.000 There's a...

02:09:28.000 But it was...

02:09:28.000 It's along those lines.

02:09:30.000 Like, very experimental.

02:09:31.000 And this is, like, back in, like, the early 90s.

02:09:33.000 Yeah.

02:09:34.000 They did, like...

02:09:35.000 Cool G Rap did one of them.

02:09:37.000 And it did it, like, to, like, some, like, actual music behind it.

02:09:41.000 Yeah. 0.94

02:09:42.000 It was pretty interesting stuff, but I remember that, and I remember thinking, like, man, like, why don't more people do, like, weird shit with music? 0.89

02:09:50.000 Like, how many people are thinking the way you're thinking? 0.72

02:09:52.000 Like, saying, like, okay, how about we just do no drums for, like, the first minute and a half, and then just start rapping, and then the drums kick in?

02:09:59.000 Like, these kind of things where you're just, like, coming up with, like, just a different approach.

02:10:04.000 Yeah.

02:10:04.000 A slightly different entry.

02:10:06.000 I think people are just a little scared that they'll lose the audience's attention, which is a very real fear.

02:10:14.000 I get it.

02:10:15.000 But it also goes back to what I was saying.

02:10:18.000 I've just been blessed with a fan base that is into what I'm doing no matter what.

02:10:24.000 And that's just dope.

02:10:27.000 But the average artist, no, they can't.

02:10:29.000 Just experiment.

02:10:30.000 And there's that fear where they might not sell records.

02:10:32.000 And then that's bad for business.

02:10:33.000 And this is a business.

02:10:38.000 It's understood why most guys don't really do it.

02:10:41.000 I would like to see people do it.

02:10:43.000 I feel like that's not an excuse.

02:10:45.000 I feel like there's a way where people can be a little bit more creative and push the envelope a lot more with the music, where it fits in in a way that makes sense and it's true to their art and their formula.

02:10:59.000 I feel like, yeah, there's always a way to try something new and be innovative and bring something different to the table.

02:11:07.000 If anybody wants to check out that brand new Heavys that I was talking about, it's called Heavy Rhyme Experience.

02:11:13.000 And it was the brand new Heavys, it was 92, way back in the day when I was living in New York.

02:11:19.000 And... 0.98

02:11:20.000 My friend god damn it trying to remember his name stand-up comedian told me about him he goes you gotta listen to this shit these guys are doing some weird stuff they did a Duo with cool G rap. 0.99

02:11:31.000 They did one of them with a gang star. 0.99

02:11:34.000 It was pretty badass That a bunch of different collaborations so like jazz singers was like rap like serious like best of the class back then Hardcore rappers rapping over their their rhyme or their music.

02:11:48.000 It's pretty cool.

02:11:48.000 Oh wow Yeah.

02:11:50.000 But your point about having the fan base that allows you to fuck around and practice and take chances, that is huge, isn't it? 0.98

02:11:58.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:11:59.000 This ability that, you know, they like you as a person as well as like your music.

02:12:05.000 And they want to see where you go with it.

02:12:07.000 Yeah.

02:12:07.000 You're always going to do your best.

02:12:08.000 Well, they know it comes from a pure place, too.

02:12:10.000 You know, I'm not like...

02:12:12.000 Trying to make a top 10 single. 0.90

02:12:15.000 They know I'm just trying to make some cool shit that they can connect with. 0.94

02:12:17.000 And that's the extent. 0.98

02:12:18.000 Every time.

02:12:19.000 It doesn't go beyond that.

02:12:20.000 And the minute it tries to, it just starts to get frustrating.

02:12:23.000 Like, start thinking about a radio record to please somebody at the label.

02:12:26.000 Then it gets frustrating.

02:12:27.000 If I start to think about this and that and for this, it gets frustrating.

02:12:30.000 If I keep it just based on, like, hey man, this sounds gnarly.

02:12:33.000 And let's make sure it's not...

02:12:36.000 Too trippy, and it's make sure it's not too this and not too that, but an effortless combination of everything all at once.

02:12:44.000 And that's really what these past couple years for me have been, just mastering that technique as a producer.

02:12:56.000 You know, really, really just going all out creatively and just trying new things because I also internally don't feel like I have anything else to prove as a musician.

02:13:10.000 I have that itch.

02:13:12.000 I need to create.

02:13:14.000 I feel like it's working out for me.

02:13:18.000 It's like doing reps and staying mentally fit, creatively fit.

02:13:24.000 So when it comes time to do an album, I've got some new powers I've acquired in the past year.

02:13:31.000 Dicking around in the studio for a couple months is going every day making beats whether I'm in the studio for five hours or two hours I'm making something I'm making at least like on average I make about In the studio I'm making at least two to four beats a day and when I say beats I'm talking about completed sequenced instrumentals that I could make records on.

02:13:56.000 So like not just some shit I started a little bit and then it's kind of cool and I'll get back to it later.

02:14:00.000 I have probably like a baker's dozen of those in one session. 0.75

02:14:04.000 But I'll have like four that are officially like, oh these jams are dope, I'm gonna sit and live with these and see what comes up.

02:14:10.000 So when you sit down to write music, do you sit down and do you have an idea in your head or do you just let it come to you while you're there?

02:14:18.000 Like how do you know how to start?

02:14:22.000 It comes different every time.

02:14:26.000 It depends.

02:14:27.000 It could be a bass line that I'm thinking of that inspires me.

02:14:31.000 Or it could be me not having anything in my mind and just going through the sounds.

02:14:38.000 Or it could be a rhythm I heard or anything.

02:14:43.000 It could be a movie I'm watching.

02:14:45.000 I like to produce while I'm watching movies with the sound off.

02:14:50.000 And that kind of helps me with scoring.

02:14:52.000 When I get into scoring and I'm doing that, that's my next step.

02:14:56.000 I want to get more into scoring movies and sound design.

02:15:01.000 But it's all, for me, it's all just experimentation and just seeing what happens.

02:15:07.000 It's not any pressure.

02:15:09.000 And when you hear a beat, like when you're making a beat and you're creating it, are you hearing lyrics?

02:15:13.000 Are you hearing, are you thinking about...

02:15:15.000 Sometimes.

02:15:15.000 Yeah?

02:15:15.000 Yeah, I'm hearing, I mean, here's, you know, when I'm hearing something, I hear it completed, right?

02:15:25.000 So when I'm starting a record and I feel like I got something, I'm like, alright, this song, I feel like, and it's back to what you were talking about, because, you know, I feel like, you know, time doesn't really exist, so...

02:15:35.000 An hour from now is happening right now, right?

02:15:38.000 So there's songs that are created that I haven't made yet.

02:15:41.000 So when I'm in the studio, I feel like I have this small peek into this other world and this window that I can hear the song, but it's my job in the present to find the pieces to make it so.

02:15:55.000 And sometimes it might come out exactly like what I'm hearing and sometimes it might not, but it's never really spot on.

02:16:02.000 You know, I just hear glimmers of what the song completed sounds like until it's completed and then it's just everything's perfect.

02:16:08.000 But that's how I can sit there and listen to a mix and be like, something's off.

02:16:11.000 Because in my completed version, you know, it's like a coloring book.

02:16:15.000 Every record starts off in one way, just blank, and I'm just filling in all the colors.

02:16:19.000 And then there's one color still missing.

02:16:21.000 You know, that's what's happening in the final, in the ninth inning, you know, when we're mixing the album.

02:16:25.000 I mean, there's still some colors that just not in there yet.

02:16:29.000 And then I'm going through sounds and I find the colors and everything's full and I'm cool.

02:16:32.000 Or I might not find the exact color, but if I'm close enough, I'm fine.

02:16:35.000 And like, that's literally where it's at, where you have to make the executive decision.

02:16:40.000 Like, all right, I'm done with this.

02:16:41.000 So I'll be sitting for another two weeks trying to sit with this mix because I'm really anal about it.

02:16:45.000 And if I don't just back away and let it be, We'll never hear any music.

02:16:49.000 That's a fascinating insight into the creation of music.

02:16:52.000 I don't know anybody that does that well, where they could tell me about the entire process from the beginning to end.

02:16:59.000 So it's interesting to get a window into that world.

02:17:02.000 Because I always wondered, and I also always wondered, I know Jay-Z never writes his lyrics down.

02:17:06.000 He keeps them all in his head.

02:17:08.000 Do you do that, or do you actually write them down somewhere?

02:17:11.000 Nah.

02:17:12.000 Sometimes I'm...

02:17:13.000 I mean, a lot of my hooks are in my head.

02:17:16.000 But I need to write You know, certain things down to just kind of make sure I'm making sense. 0.89

02:17:23.000 I used to do a lot of my earlier stuff just off the dome, just freestyling shit, you know. 0.51

02:17:27.000 And sometimes that works good with melodies. 0.85

02:17:30.000 I do that a lot.

02:17:30.000 I'll go in there and just hum flows and try different things like that and melodies.

02:17:34.000 But it's really just a combination.

02:17:37.000 It's never just like, you know...

02:17:41.000 Always writing off the dome.

02:17:42.000 Some ballads I write completely off the dome.

02:17:45.000 I don't need paper for a ballad.

02:17:47.000 I like that term, off the dome.

02:17:50.000 That's a great term.

02:17:50.000 I'm going to use that from now on.

02:17:52.000 Whenever there's a joke that I have that's not written down anywhere, it's going to be off the dome.

02:17:56.000 I feel like that gets people to understand that this is the spontaneousness of it.

02:18:06.000 Is that a term that rappers use all the time, or is that your term, off the dome?

02:18:09.000 Is that yours?

02:18:12.000 Let's say it's yours.

02:18:13.000 I like to say it's yours. 1.00

02:18:14.000 I know the guy came up with that shit. 1.00

02:18:17.000 Off the dome. 1.00

02:18:18.000 It's a very popular phrase amongst the youngsters now.

02:18:20.000 But it all came out of Kid Cudi.

02:18:22.000 I'll take it.

02:18:23.000 Take it.

02:18:25.000 I'll start spreading that rumor.

02:18:26.000 So you're essentially, you're open.

02:18:28.000 I mean, whatever, which way ever comes, you just show up.

02:18:30.000 You show up and you put in the work.

02:18:31.000 You put in the work, creating the beats, you put in the work, coming up with lyrics, whatever way it comes up, whether it comes up all in your head or whether it comes up writing it down on paper.

02:18:39.000 And the sessions are really me and my engineer Ian, and occasionally I have, like, my brother from another mother, Dr. Genius, coming through, who, you know, is in a band that I came up with a couple years ago that, you know, we kind of just put together because we wanted to try something outside of the world we were already making music in.

02:18:57.000 You know, the sessions are really small.

02:19:01.000 It's not like I got 20 dudes in there.

02:19:03.000 Right, right.

02:19:03.000 They're kind of sad sessions.

02:19:05.000 They're really sad.

02:19:07.000 They're probably not sad at all.

02:19:08.000 Well, I always wondered, like, how anything gets done.

02:19:10.000 I mean, one could peek in and feel bad for me, like, oh, he's got nobody in the studio with him.

02:19:14.000 But then, like...

02:19:15.000 But then you know I'm in there like a mad scientist.

02:19:19.000 I'm inventing. 1.00

02:19:20.000 It's not like an inventor don't get 20 motherfuckers in his lab while he inventing shit. 1.00

02:19:25.000 Niggas will steal his shit. 1.00

02:19:26.000 Or they'll rack focus and distract him. 1.00

02:19:30.000 I find that when you have your friends in the studio, you got a couple guys on Worldstar, a couple guys on Twitter, a couple guys over here, and everybody's talking about what's going on over here and what's going on over here.

02:19:39.000 You're trying to write this song.

02:19:40.000 You get distracted.

02:19:41.000 You're like, what happened?

02:19:42.000 Oh, hell no!

02:19:42.000 That's funny, funny!

02:19:43.000 Next thing you know, it's two hours have gone by.

02:19:45.000 You're still working on this record.

02:19:46.000 You had some laughs, but what you came to the studio for is not done yet.

02:19:51.000 Right.

02:19:51.000 You know, and there's money being spent.

02:19:52.000 There's time.

02:19:53.000 Time is of the essence.

02:19:54.000 This is what we hustled and worked hard for. 0.99

02:19:57.000 And I had to remind myself, this has turned into a fucking party. 0.99

02:20:02.000 We're here for work. 0.99

02:20:03.000 So I also have this really gnarly work ethic.

02:20:07.000 Because I've been working since I was 15. My first job was Wendy's.

02:20:10.000 I remember why I wanted to work. 1.00

02:20:12.000 It was because I wanted my own shit. 0.99

02:20:14.000 I was tired of asking my mom for stuff. 0.99

02:20:16.000 And also, didn't think it was fair to ask my mom for stuff.

02:20:20.000 Because I know we didn't have much.

02:20:21.000 So, you know, work for me is always one of those things that's very important. 0.79

02:20:28.000 But there was also some jobs that I didn't fucking take seriously, like American Apparel. 0.99

02:20:33.000 Where I was coming in late and I didn't give a shit. 0.98

02:20:36.000 And when my boss fired me, he took me to this office and kind of told me. 0.98

02:20:41.000 And when he said it, he was like, I'm going to have to let you go.

02:20:43.000 I was like, yeah.

02:20:44.000 I figured that, yeah.

02:20:45.000 You knew it. 0.99

02:20:45.000 Because I didn't give a fuck, you know? 0.99

02:20:47.000 It was like, now I can go to the studio. 0.99

02:20:49.000 Well, it's probably good for you, too. 0.98

02:20:50.000 Now I can, like, work on my craft and then maybe find a better paying job, you know, that doesn't have me in the fucking basement of some building, you know, sweating my ass out, folding clothes. 0.94

02:20:59.000 Everybody says you should always do your best at every job you do. 0.95

02:21:02.000 A champion in life is a champion in everything they do.

02:21:05.000 So if you're going to mop floors, do your best at mopping floors. 0.78

02:21:07.000 Mop the fuck out of those floors. 0.97

02:21:09.000 That's great on paper. 1.00

02:21:10.000 But the reality is, when you're a young man, sometimes it's good to fuck off at something so you know you don't ever want to do that again. 0.99

02:21:16.000 They fire you, and then you learn. 0.99

02:21:18.000 And there's some value in that.

02:21:20.000 It's unfortunate, but we don't all learn the best way.

02:21:23.000 Sometimes we've got to get fired from American Apparel.

02:21:26.000 Yeah.

02:21:27.000 At least I didn't get fired for stealing something. 0.99

02:21:29.000 I got fired for being a shitty landscaper. 0.98

02:21:32.000 I kept scalping people's lawns. 1.00

02:21:34.000 Yeah, that would fuck somebody's emotions. 0.99

02:21:37.000 That would hurt my feelings if that was the word around town that my main bread and butter I've been doing, investing my life in, that I'm just shitty at. 0.99

02:21:46.000 That would hurt my feelings.

02:21:47.000 Yeah, I wasn't invested in being a landmower boy.

02:21:52.000 Landscaper.

02:21:53.000 I know what you're saying, man.

02:21:55.000 There's a completely different thing when you're creating your own stuff, when you're working for yourself.

02:21:59.000 It's like a focus, like an obsession almost type focus, like the laser beam.

02:22:04.000 I love that term, the lab, too.

02:22:06.000 That's one of my favorite terms from the rap world.

02:22:09.000 They love talking about being in the lab, creating material.

02:22:12.000 You are like an inventor.

02:22:13.000 You're a scientist.

02:22:15.000 It's kind of like...

02:22:17.000 I treat it, in every sense of the word, in every sense of that term, I guess, you know, lab.

02:22:24.000 It's like where I'm working.

02:22:26.000 And I almost don't like playing around in the studio like that.

02:22:31.000 Because it is a place for work.

02:22:33.000 It is an office, you know?

02:22:34.000 Especially if you're trying to write.

02:22:36.000 If you're trying to write things there, too, as well.

02:22:38.000 You're trying to write lyrics and dudes are all jumping around.

02:22:40.000 But not even that.

02:22:41.000 What if I'm not?

02:22:42.000 Even just me sitting there.

02:22:43.000 And I might not have an idea yet.

02:22:45.000 Even if I might just need silence. 0.99

02:22:47.000 I might just need fucking silence for a little bit. 0.97

02:22:50.000 Yeah, I've never been to any sort of recording studio where anybody was doing anything serious like that, but I would imagine it's very difficult to avoid the party. 0.98

02:23:00.000 It's like, hey, we're in studio and guys come to visit you.

02:23:02.000 Come on by, come to visit.

02:23:03.000 We did that, so it's like...

02:23:05.000 I did that.

02:23:06.000 I mean, I've been doing it professionally since like 22, 23, going to studios and having those moments with the buddies.

02:23:15.000 Because in the beginning, it's like you want your boys around.

02:23:17.000 So I kind of got that out of my system.

02:23:19.000 And now it's like, all right, 30-year-old Scott goes to the studio by himself.

02:23:23.000 He's got his book bag.

02:23:24.000 He's in there for maybe five, six hours, and then he goes home.

02:23:27.000 That's smart.

02:23:28.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:23:28.000 And this is a Friday night.

02:23:31.000 Good for you.

02:23:33.000 I'm in bed by like 11, 11.30.

02:23:35.000 Kapow! 1.00

02:23:35.000 Fuck Saturday Night Live. 1.00

02:23:37.000 That's beautiful. 1.00

02:23:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:23:39.000 Yeah, I know. 0.91

02:23:39.000 Hey, man, that's how you get shit done. 0.91

02:23:41.000 That is how you get shit done. 1.00

02:23:42.000 I'm just psycho with it, man. 0.99

02:23:44.000 Those music videos, though, when they show the recording studio, it's always a giant table.

02:23:48.000 There's like all those little switches that nobody understands.

02:23:50.000 Maybe you do.

02:23:51.000 Everybody's standing in front of all the switches, and then everybody's partying.

02:23:55.000 Everybody's in the background having a good time.

02:23:57.000 But that could also be when the album's done and they're celebrating it, because that's what also happens.

02:24:01.000 Like when I'm done with...

02:24:03.000 Let's say I finished maybe eight songs and I feel like I've got the album and I just need maybe a couple more jams.

02:24:10.000 You start inviting people to come hear what you got and get their opinions.

02:24:13.000 So you have those moments too.

02:24:15.000 So you might see that happen, but there's a year and a half of just studio by myself before that happens.

02:24:22.000 I don't really, and maybe occasionally I have one or two friends.

02:24:25.000 Maybe one of my director friends or my fellow actors who I just kind of want, who have never really got a chance to be in the studio, come by and just see, get the experience.

02:24:36.000 But they're not in there distracting me.

02:24:38.000 They're just watching and paying attention and want to...

02:24:40.000 Just be a fly on the wall and see how it works.

02:24:43.000 Yeah, well, a lot of people are really curious about it because it's almost sort of a mysterious type of creativity if people aren't involved in it, especially the creating of music.

02:24:52.000 It's such a cultural...

02:24:55.000 It's such a cultural influence.

02:24:57.000 It's such a powerful influence.

02:24:58.000 Music inspires people.

02:25:01.000 When you listen to music at the gym, it can make you work out better.

02:25:06.000 You put your headphones on and you play some awesome songs. 1.00

02:25:09.000 You don't give a fuck that you're on some stupid stair machine like a hamster. 1.00

02:25:12.000 You just keep going. 1.00

02:25:13.000 And the music, you like the music so much you get into it and it's in your head, drowning out everything else.

02:25:20.000 Sometimes you don't even realize how heavy you're breathing. 0.99

02:25:23.000 Until you take the earplugs out, you're like, holy shit, I'm fucking working here. 0.99

02:25:28.000 Nothing else hits you like that. 0.99

02:25:32.000 People's words, they don't sustain that way.

02:25:34.000 You can't read an incredibly passionate essay, and it sustains you through a workout like that.

02:25:39.000 No, it's like, it needs to be just something that, like, there's nothing like music in that respect.

02:25:45.000 It has an impact that very few things do.

02:25:48.000 So that process of creating it is always fascinating and mysterious to people like me that don't have any musical talent at all.

02:25:56.000 I just approach it in a different way because I do feel like every time I'm in the studio it's just me trying to create the uncreated and it's a very private thing sometimes.

02:26:16.000 I want to be able to have my privacy when I do that.

02:26:20.000 Right, right.

02:26:22.000 Yeah, no, I totally...

02:26:23.000 Do you do all your writing and everything in the studio, or do you sometimes sit at home?

02:26:27.000 Oh, it comes whenever, man.

02:26:28.000 Right.

02:26:29.000 I'll be in the shower. 1.00

02:26:31.000 I'll be in the shower thinking of some shit, you know? 0.99

02:26:33.000 Do you ever use that Note app on the phone, on your phone, where you're talking to it? 0.99

02:26:37.000 I record memos, yeah, a lot.

02:26:39.000 A lot of the times.

02:26:40.000 No, not even that.

02:26:40.000 I mean, the Note app, you know, you can talk to it.

02:26:43.000 Oh, no, no, no.

02:26:45.000 I just kind of...

02:26:46.000 See, if I'm recording something, it's a melody.

02:26:48.000 If I'm thinking of something, I'm not thinking of raps, like those earlier days. 0.99

02:26:53.000 It's less about that now, and it's more about just melodies and coming up with songs and structures.

02:27:01.000 So you want to hear the sound.

02:27:02.000 Yeah, and then the lyrics come next, because the music is just going to tell me what to say.

02:27:06.000 Wow. 0.98

02:27:07.000 That's fucking wild. 0.99

02:27:09.000 That's so cool. 0.99

02:27:10.000 Now, how much of your creation is done under the influence of marijuana?

02:27:15.000 Man, I don't smoke to create. 0.98

02:27:19.000 I've come up with a lot of shit sober sometimes when I'm fresh waking up in the morning. 0.99

02:27:23.000 Sometimes. 0.98

02:27:23.000 I have the most ideas at like 8am sometimes. 0.98

02:27:26.000 A lot of people say that, man.

02:27:27.000 A lot of writers, like Stephen King, I believe, does all of his writing in the morning.

02:27:30.000 I think he does it like 9 to noon every day.

02:27:32.000 Yeah, it's like, man, I'm fresh in the morning with something.

02:27:36.000 It's a melody.

02:27:36.000 And it usually comes just walking through the house, making breakfast and...

02:27:41.000 You know, it could be whenever.

02:27:43.000 Dropping a deuce.

02:27:44.000 You know?

02:27:45.000 I come up with just melodies here and there.

02:27:48.000 And I record them all if something really catches me.

02:27:50.000 Because if I don't record them immediately, then I lose them.

02:27:52.000 So, you know, I got to record them somehow.

02:27:56.000 But it's very...

02:27:57.000 I'm always...

02:27:59.000 I'm always thinking about music. 0.97

02:28:01.000 As much as I like to deny it and go shoot a movie and shit, I always think about music. 0.98

02:28:08.000 I'm obsessed with the idea of just making The most beautiful songs that like, you know, really make people feel some type of comfort or some type of understanding because the world is so fucked and You know, 0.98

02:28:23.000 I just really am obsessed with that idea. 0.98

02:28:26.000 I think I'm always going to be and now I'm just trying different different ways of doing that, you know We did the rap shit. 0.96

02:28:32.000 We did the rock album. 0.99

02:28:33.000 Now.

02:28:34.000 I'm just trying to be this like weird instrumentalist You know, and I don't really know what that's gonna be, but I'm just really, I guess, in the process learning how to produce better, too, which is something that, you know, I've been trying to, you know, I always want to be better,

02:28:49.000 so it's good to, you know, be learning and getting better as I'm creating.

02:28:53.000 Do you do any other things, like, other than music?

02:28:55.000 Do you have any other hobbies or any other things that, like, you also get locked into?

02:29:01.000 I like designers sometimes.

02:29:03.000 I wouldn't look at myself as a fashion designer, but if an opportunity comes around, I'll do a collab or two.

02:29:10.000 You like designing clothes?

02:29:11.000 What kind of clothes?

02:29:12.000 I've done about five t-shirt collaborations with Bathing Ape. 0.73

02:29:18.000 I used to work there.

02:29:19.000 That was my last job before I got famous.

02:29:24.000 Roots back in New York and that was pretty much one of those, the only job I really kept in touch with, you know, that I went back to and, you know, did some things for the fans. 0.99

02:29:34.000 So you just ended up creating shit. 0.89

02:29:36.000 Yeah, you know, it really, for me, I'm starting to write a little bit more. 0.99

02:29:40.000 It's just staying creative.

02:29:41.000 Write like a book or like?

02:29:44.000 Blog entries?

02:29:44.000 What do you mean?

02:29:45.000 Like a TV show, TV shows, horror movies, ideas I've had in my head for a while.

02:29:52.000 I'll just start jotting them down.

02:29:54.000 Everything right now is just me expressing whatever comes to mind.

02:30:00.000 Anything that creatively strikes me.

02:30:02.000 Yeah, see, that's a dream job for people, to be able to just come up with things all the time.

02:30:08.000 Just work on creating.

02:30:09.000 Your entire day spent mostly just concentrating on creating.

02:30:12.000 I'm not doing anything with those things yet, but it's stimulating, you know?

02:30:16.000 It doesn't mean that I'm going to have some TV show tomorrow or anything. 0.98

02:30:20.000 It's just for me, it's stimulating, you know, and shit. 0.99

02:30:26.000 Knowing me, I'll fuck around and might write the next shit, you know? 1.00

02:30:29.000 Right, right. 1.00

02:30:30.000 Or definitely write something that you become interested in.

02:30:32.000 Yeah, there's something I can sell or something that could lead me to something else.

02:30:35.000 Yeah, who knows?

02:30:38.000 And it probably also helps your creativity in the other areas as well, right?

02:30:42.000 But then on top of that, I was the king of being like, oh, I have this idea, but no, that's not for me.

02:30:48.000 Or no, I couldn't do that.

02:30:49.000 Music is my thing.

02:30:50.000 No, I couldn't do that.

02:30:51.000 So now I'm like past that.

02:30:53.000 Now there's nothing. 0.93

02:30:54.000 If it pops into my mind, then I can fucking do it because I thought about it for a reason.

02:30:58.000 So now it's just about finding time for certain projects. 0.87

02:31:03.000 I'm not in no rush.

02:31:04.000 So you're not worried about being pigeonholed, you're saying?

02:31:06.000 No, I think I've done enough strong-arming and let me get my space as an artist where I can kind of do whatever I want now at this point.

02:31:15.000 So you reached out to me on Twitter.

02:31:16.000 But it still has to be good, though.

02:31:18.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:31:19.000 I'm always feeling like... 0.99

02:31:21.000 I'm vulnerable to make some bullshit. 0.98

02:31:23.000 I don't feel like I'm invincible. 0.98

02:31:25.000 And I think a lot of artists do get to that point where they feel invincible. 0.99

02:31:28.000 I'm very capable of making some weak shit. 1.00

02:31:30.000 It's just y'all motherfuckers don't hear it. 1.00

02:31:33.000 That's because I'm sitting there making sure that it's not weak shit. 1.00

02:31:37.000 Scrapping the ones that are and working on the ones that started off weak but making sure that they were where they needed to be before you heard it. 0.99

02:31:45.000 Are they like, you gotta know when to abandon them? 0.98

02:31:48.000 Oh yeah, you all know when I abandon some shit immediately. 0.98

02:31:50.000 Certain feelings you get. 0.99

02:31:51.000 You know when some shit is the right one and when it's not. 0.98

02:31:54.000 There's jokes like that too. 0.99

02:31:55.000 It's very similar.

02:31:56.000 Yeah.

02:31:57.000 It's very similar.

02:31:57.000 Some of them you just gotta let go.

02:31:59.000 Yeah, and you can't... 0.99

02:32:00.000 For songs, it's much more emotional to let go of some shit that you like. 0.98

02:32:04.000 Because it might be on the right track to being something gnarly. 0.98

02:32:07.000 Do you put it on a shelf maybe?

02:32:08.000 You always keep it.

02:32:09.000 Revisit it.

02:32:10.000 Yeah, I go back every year. 0.99

02:32:11.000 I go back and listen to the shit that I made the year before. 0.93

02:32:13.000 How do you categorize them? 0.99

02:32:14.000 Do you make notes or do you just...

02:32:16.000 Nah, they're all numbered.

02:32:17.000 They're just numbered.

02:32:18.000 You just say you go back and you go, okay, this is from 2013. Let me just listen to what I was doing.

02:32:23.000 Yeah.

02:32:23.000 My engineer, I'll just tell him, pull up everything and we'll just listen to things one by one.

02:32:27.000 Flag the ones that are good and the ones that...

02:32:29.000 You know, because that's the thing.

02:32:31.000 You always got to give yourself a break and it's always good to listen to stuff with fresh ears, I find.

02:32:36.000 And also... 0.99

02:32:39.000 To just give your brain a break, because for me, I'm sitting in the studio for hours listening to the same old shit, like the same old beat that you're working on. 0.99

02:32:48.000 So it's kind of like you need to back off a second. 0.99

02:32:52.000 I like to work on a record.

02:32:55.000 Bounce them.

02:32:57.000 Bounce them means compressing all those sounds to one track to make that mp3.

02:33:02.000 That's what you bounce down a file.

02:33:04.000 That's what you guys get on your iPods.

02:33:06.000 It's a bounce down file of all the files.

02:33:10.000 So I'll bounce down everything.

02:33:14.000 The ones that I feel like were close to being finished are reasonable enough for me to listen to and write to.

02:33:20.000 And I won't listen to them that night.

02:33:22.000 I wake up the next day, and while I'm making breakfast, I might listen to them then with fresh ears. 1.00

02:33:27.000 And I'll be like, oh shit. 0.99

02:33:28.000 Most of the time, it's like, oh, this is dope. 1.00

02:33:30.000 Because the night before, I'm just like, oh, this shit sucks. 1.00

02:33:33.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:33:33.000 I'll listen to it tomorrow. 1.00

02:33:34.000 Because I've been in the studio for hours.

02:33:36.000 YouTube.

02:33:36.000 Too close to it.

02:33:37.000 I'm by myself and I don't have nobody to tell me like, yo, that shit is fresh. 0.98

02:33:40.000 It's just like me and my own expertise. 0.99

02:33:42.000 I'm just like, right now I think this is all shit, but I'll bounce it down and I'll listen to it tomorrow and see how I feel. 0.98

02:33:48.000 And almost every time I do that, if I bounce it down, it's like dope. 0.99

02:33:51.000 And a lot of this shit could be for someone else and not for me. 0.95

02:33:55.000 It's a thing about music too. 0.99

02:33:57.000 It seems like when there's a song that I really like, Any genre.

02:34:02.000 It's like I really like it.

02:34:03.000 I like it at first, and then I start really liking it when I keep hearing it.

02:34:06.000 I hear it a bunch of times.

02:34:07.000 And then as I'll hear it like the fourth or fifth time, that's when I'll really get into it.

02:34:11.000 And it's interesting how music does that.

02:34:14.000 There's songs that you need to hear a bunch of times. 0.99

02:34:18.000 That's why people don't like new shit. 1.00

02:34:20.000 Like if the Rolling Stones go on tour, they better play those fucking classics. 1.00

02:34:24.000 Nobody wants to hear some weird shit you've been writing, Keith. 1.00

02:34:27.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:34:28.000 And that's what I learned.

02:34:29.000 I learned the hard way. 0.99

02:34:31.000 You go out and you do Coachella and it's like, alright, I got fucking Coachella to do. 0.97

02:34:36.000 Let's come with the hits. 0.91

02:34:37.000 Let's give them the joints they want to hear.

02:34:39.000 I'm not going to go out into Coachella and be like, alright guys, so I know you guys know these songs as they are produced on the album, but we're doing them all acoustic tonight.

02:34:49.000 We're using a harp.

02:34:50.000 And I'm doing them all in different keys, so they won't even be formatted how you remember them.

02:34:55.000 But I promise you, you have me tonight on this stage for at least an hour and a half.

02:35:00.000 Maestro.

02:35:01.000 It's just the worst show ever, you know?

02:35:03.000 Yeah, when you go and do a new show, like if it's a totally new thing, do you do smaller clubs? 0.99

02:35:08.000 Do you fuck around with rock clubs? 0.96

02:35:10.000 Nah, what were you talking about? 0.99

02:35:11.000 Like if you're going to work, like the first time you're going to do a live perform, like any of your new stuff.

02:35:17.000 Oh, new material.

02:35:17.000 Yeah.

02:35:18.000 Tour.

02:35:19.000 Tour.

02:35:20.000 Because the tour is like, for me, it's the fan club.

02:35:22.000 You know, I could go up there and fumble as many times I want all night and my fans are just like, it's all good.

02:35:28.000 This is the clubhouse.

02:35:30.000 Right, right, right. 1.00

02:35:30.000 You know, this is where you're supposed to fuck up, you know. 1.00

02:35:32.000 When you go and do Coachella, there's no time. 0.99

02:35:35.000 Right. 0.99

02:35:35.000 There's no time to fuck up. 0.99

02:35:36.000 Everybody's watching. 1.00

02:35:38.000 It's like the clubhouses where you dick around.

02:35:40.000 It's like when a comic goes to the club he used to do stand-up at before he blew up because he knows those are his people and he could be himself there and try new jokes.

02:35:52.000 That's the same deal.

02:35:53.000 That's how I approach tour.

02:35:55.000 I don't let press in unless they buy a ticket. 0.99

02:35:57.000 You want to come to my show, then fucking buy a ticket. 1.00

02:36:00.000 Because most of the time you give the press their ticket and they're writing talking shit. 1.00

02:36:03.000 So it's like you're giving motherfuckers a free pass to come see your show so they can talk shit. 1.00

02:36:06.000 It's like, no, asshole, you want to talk shit about my show, you're going to have to pay for it. 1.00

02:36:10.000 People feel like they can't get any attention unless they talk shit. 1.00

02:36:13.000 That's a big issue with folks. 0.99

02:36:15.000 But it's like, you know, whatever the case may be, I'm going to make you work hard. 0.99

02:36:20.000 To get in there to talk shit. 1.00

02:36:23.000 Because it is a fucking membership. 1.00

02:36:25.000 The only people I want on my concert are people that really give a shit about what we're doing as artists. 1.00

02:36:31.000 And understand me as a human being. 0.98

02:36:36.000 This is a very psychedelic point of view.

02:36:38.000 Yeah, because at the end of the day, like we were talking about before, it's all an experience.

02:36:43.000 And the show is even more so.

02:36:45.000 Because it's bringing the songs to life.

02:36:47.000 Like, I'm there.

02:36:48.000 It's like a play for me.

02:36:50.000 It's theater.

02:36:51.000 Like, I'm out there.

02:36:52.000 I'm the showman for tonight.

02:36:54.000 And I'm taking you to a place.

02:36:56.000 It's kind of like, leave your worries behind.

02:36:58.000 It's like Fantasy Island.

02:36:59.000 Yeah, it's like, I don't really want kids to...

02:37:02.000 You know, the average hip-hop show, it's like you see your favorite artist come out, at best, perform the hits.

02:37:07.000 They're almost there, but you can't touch them, but it's just dope to know that you're in the same building with them, and then that's the end of it.

02:37:12.000 And that's just what you take.

02:37:14.000 It's like, man, we were in the nosebleeds, but it was really nice.

02:37:16.000 We was, you know, there at the night with that, my favorite rapper or whatever. 1.00

02:37:20.000 This shit with me... 1.00

02:37:22.000 It's more therapy. 1.00

02:37:24.000 I'm confessing some things through song.

02:37:26.000 You're seeing me confess these things.

02:37:29.000 You see the emotion as I'm performing.

02:37:32.000 And then there's kids out there that are connecting with it in such a way where it's like, man, I already connect with this dude, but he's performing it in such a way where he means it even more.

02:37:41.000 He's singing it in a way where he means it even more in this environment.

02:37:44.000 It's a different experience.

02:37:47.000 And I love giving people that experience.

02:37:50.000 I love connecting with them in a way where everybody at that concert is paying attention and they're there because they want to experience something.

02:38:00.000 Right.

02:38:01.000 You reached out to me about people asking questions about psychedelics.

02:38:06.000 Yeah.

02:38:06.000 You fielding questions about psychedelics.

02:38:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:38:09.000 What was the motivation behind that?

02:38:13.000 I saw a tweet from a young man.

02:38:16.000 He hit me up and he just simply asked me how much he should take of some shrooms.

02:38:24.000 I don't know.

02:38:25.000 I just saw it and I was like, oh, okay.

02:38:28.000 I gave him a response.

02:38:31.000 I didn't think nothing of it, but then I saw a lot of people responding, and I was like, oh, this is cool.

02:38:34.000 Other people were asking me questions. 0.99

02:38:36.000 Then I was like, holy shit. 0.99

02:38:39.000 This could be bad. 0.99

02:38:41.000 This could be really bad.

02:38:42.000 But then it's like, you know what? 1.00

02:38:44.000 The I am your big brother shit. 1.00

02:38:45.000 If they're going to do drugs and they want to know about it, at least ask me. 1.00

02:38:50.000 Come to me. 1.00

02:38:51.000 I'll give you the real shit. 1.00

02:38:53.000 If you want them to ask somebody... 1.00

02:38:55.000 Ask me.

02:38:56.000 And that's kind of how I looked at it.

02:38:59.000 It ended up being this thing.

02:39:01.000 But then I know that you talk about psychedelics and you have specifically talked about DMT because I answered the question about DMT. And that's why I was like, man, we should talk about this with Joe.

02:39:10.000 Because I know that I can't sit down with just anybody and talk about DMT. Even some of my friends, I've told them that I've done it and they've looked at me in a way where it's like...

02:39:21.000 You know, it's like, whoa, you did DMT. It's a game changer.

02:39:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:39:25.000 But that lets me know that there's people that don't understand it and they're not educated about it.

02:39:29.000 And so they just kind of hear these stories.

02:39:31.000 And that's also why I was like, man, it would be dope if we just sat down and talked about it and educate some people.

02:39:38.000 Because I just know it's...

02:39:39.000 I mean, even some people are scared of acid.

02:39:41.000 It's a scary thing.

02:39:42.000 You know, I tell people...

02:39:43.000 I remember, this is a true story.

02:39:46.000 I hope so.

02:39:50.000 This is kind of like one of those things where, you know, I'm not throwing this kid under the bus, but, you know, this is a reality.

02:39:56.000 I was at Coachella.

02:39:57.000 We were backstage.

02:39:57.000 I ran into Wiz Khalifa, you know, and I see him, you know, often, and he was telling me he was doing shrooms or whatever and experimenting with shrooms, and I was like, oh, man, you should do acid, and he was just like, no.

02:40:09.000 And I was like, oh man, well you know, Shrooms is like the training wheels of fucking psychedelics and shit, you know? 0.97

02:40:13.000 And he's like, oh man, I'm not fucking with that though. 0.99

02:40:16.000 You can just tell that it was just, maybe he might have known somebody had a bad trip or he heard some bad things, but like, there was like fear. 0.88

02:40:27.000 And I was just like, oh, It's like, man, people are kind of like taken back when you say you do assets sometimes. 0.98

02:40:35.000 And even when I talk about it on Twitter, people be like, whoa, chill, you want some other shit. 0.88

02:40:39.000 And it's like, man, like, I mean, I don't really see it. 0.98

02:40:45.000 I don't get it.

02:40:45.000 Yeah, but I don't, you can go crazy drinking too much.

02:40:48.000 Yeah.

02:40:49.000 So I don't really.

02:40:51.000 You never had a bad trip?

02:40:53.000 On acid, yeah, but it wasn't because of me. 1.00

02:40:56.000 It was because I let some other motherfucker come in the situation that wasn't ready with his shit. 1.00

02:41:02.000 You know how some people come in and try to act like they do this and don't do this. 1.00

02:41:07.000 And you know, you have situations like that.

02:41:09.000 And so he bad tripped and you got dragged along.

02:41:11.000 Yeah, because you got to make sure everybody's cool and you want to help people out.

02:41:16.000 You don't want to leave nobody abandoned.

02:41:17.000 I feel like that's the big thing.

02:41:19.000 With psychedelics is if you're doing it with people, no matter if you know them well or not, you don't want to really leave nobody hanging.

02:41:26.000 You want to try to find a common ground because everybody tripping.

02:41:33.000 You know, everybody at the end of the day, we trippin', and it's scary, because somebody used to be like, one minute, you was trying to kill me!

02:41:39.000 What?

02:41:40.000 No!

02:41:40.000 It's not what you think!

02:41:42.000 You know, it'd just be bad. 0.97

02:41:44.000 I've never had no shit like that, and I'm pretty sure people have dealt with that, though. 0.95

02:41:47.000 Definitely. 0.98

02:41:48.000 Well, that's the thing about acid, is there's always the horror stories.

02:41:50.000 Like, we were talking about Pink Floyd.

02:41:52.000 Like, the dude from Pink Floyd. 0.99

02:41:53.000 Which one of those guys went fucking crazy from acid? 1.00

02:41:56.000 What the fuck's his name? 1.00

02:41:58.000 Jeremy, you don't know? 1.00

02:42:01.000 Yeah, one of the dudes from Pink Floyd went fucking crazy. 0.96

02:42:03.000 That's what Shine On You Crazy Diamond was about him. 0.98

02:42:06.000 That song was about him going fucking crazy from doing too much acid. 0.98

02:42:10.000 Hold on, Shine On You Crazy Diamond. 0.98

02:42:11.000 I know part of the information.

02:42:13.000 I don't want to quote like I know it all.

02:42:15.000 Yeah, in Wikipedia.

02:42:16.000 He's the man.

02:42:17.000 Yeah.

02:42:18.000 It was written...

02:42:19.000 Okay.

02:42:20.000 Shine On Your Crazy Diamond is a nine-part Pink Floyd...

02:42:24.000 Nine-part Pink Floyd composition written by Roger Waters, Richard Wright, and David Gilmour, and it's a tribute to former band member Sid Barrett.

02:42:32.000 Sid Barrett was the one who went, Bananas!

02:42:35.000 Yeah.

02:42:35.000 Allegedly.

02:42:36.000 Allegedly. 0.98

02:42:37.000 But that album cover too is just so fucking sick too. 0.98

02:42:40.000 He's shaking his hand and the dude's on fire. 0.99

02:42:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:42:43.000 So fucking gnarly. 0.99

02:42:45.000 For real. 0.99

02:42:46.000 Yeah.

02:42:46.000 He apparently, I don't know if that's true, the whole LSD thing.

02:42:51.000 But it says, this is the Wikipedia, it says, throughout late 1967 and early 1968, Barrett's behavior became increasingly erratic and unpredictable, partly as a consequence of his reported heavy use of psychedelic drugs,

02:43:09.000 most prominently LSD. Many reports described him on stage strumming one chord through the entire concert or not playing at all.

02:43:18.000 At a show at the Fillmore in San Francisco during a performance of Interstellar Overdrive, Barrett slowly detuned his guitar.

02:43:25.000 The audience seemed to enjoy such antics, unaware of the rest of the band's consternation.

02:43:31.000 Interviewed on the Pat Boone Show during the tour, Sid's reply to Boone's question was, Blank and totally mute stare, according to Nick Mason.

02:43:41.000 Sid wasn't into moving his lips that day.

02:43:44.000 So he was just going.

02:43:47.000 He was just going.

02:43:49.000 He's my hero.

02:43:50.000 He went out there.

02:43:51.000 For whatever reason.

02:43:53.000 He's my hero.

02:43:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:43:54.000 He might have lost his shit. 1.00

02:43:56.000 Who knows? 1.00

02:43:57.000 Or he might have just got tired. 1.00

02:43:58.000 Yeah, he was like, fuck this probably. 1.00

02:44:00.000 Yeah, probably. 0.99

02:44:01.000 On acid all the time and just couldn't realize he was quitting Pink Floyd for acid.

02:44:08.000 We met that new girl and he was still in that old relationship. 0.99

02:44:12.000 We were talking about cigarettes earlier and in a world where cigarettes are legal and they kill half a million people in this country alone every year, it's preposterous to think that we're too much of a group of fucking babies to deal with psychedelics. 0.97

02:44:26.000 We need, like, centers. 0.59

02:44:28.000 We need centers where you have educated people with, you know, like, degrees who understand the human body, doctors who can administrate it, people who can take care of people, and have them in these really comfortable environments where people go and they have the possibility in a professional setting of experiencing these things.

02:44:47.000 And that should be a part of normal human culture.

02:44:49.000 Because you've benefited from it.

02:44:51.000 I've benefited from it.

02:44:53.000 Brian has kind of benefited from it.

02:44:55.000 It's debatable as he holds up his cigarettes.

02:44:59.000 Camels.

02:45:00.000 He smokes camels.

02:45:01.000 Camelettes. 1.00

02:45:02.000 Silly bitch. 1.00

02:45:03.000 So silly. 1.00

02:45:05.000 Do you think you can get hypnotized? 1.00

02:45:07.000 I don't think I can get hypnotized now.

02:45:10.000 Too smart?

02:45:11.000 Yeah, I think I would just think about it the whole time, overthink about it.

02:45:14.000 All right, this guy's trying to hypnotize me right now.

02:45:16.000 I can hear his voice.

02:45:17.000 All right.

02:45:17.000 I don't know.

02:45:18.000 I think you could do it, though.

02:45:21.000 They say ayahuasca is one of the best ways to quit.

02:45:25.000 Ayahuasca is supposed to be a really good way to quit smoking.

02:45:28.000 Quit anything if you want to.

02:45:29.000 Because you wake up and be like, I'm alive!

02:45:31.000 Thank God!

02:45:31.000 But you go through it, you go through the journey, and it's just so self-examinatory.

02:45:36.000 Even the regular DMT trips I've had, they're intensely self-examinatory.

02:45:41.000 The insight that you have into your own life, in your own world, your own mind, it's scary.

02:45:49.000 It's awesome.

02:45:50.000 It's so clear.

02:45:51.000 The clarity is so bizarre.

02:45:53.000 Yeah, it freaked me out, man.

02:45:56.000 I'm not going to lie.

02:45:58.000 I've done my fair share of acid.

02:46:00.000 I'm big on psychedelics. 1.00

02:46:02.000 GMT some next level shit. 0.99

02:46:04.000 Yeah, but I've had nothing like this. 0.99

02:46:08.000 You try to explain it and you can't because there's nothing you can't find the words to explain sometimes what you see.

02:46:18.000 And you're a little bit more educated about it than I am.

02:46:21.000 You can probably find the words. 0.99

02:46:23.000 Sometimes you fucking talk like a scientist. 1.00

02:46:27.000 It's bullshitting. 1.00

02:46:28.000 Trust me. 0.79

02:46:28.000 But at the same time, for people that might not be educated, it's still hard for me to put in the words what I saw. 0.79

02:46:38.000 But, you know, the reality is what you're seeing is everything literally melt down and deconstruct and reconstruct around you.

02:46:48.000 And your eyes are wide open.

02:46:50.000 And it literally, for me, that was the only thing that freaked me out.

02:46:54.000 The fact that my eyes weren't closed, but my environment was completely altered.

02:47:00.000 Immediately, almost before I could even exhale all the smoke, before I was even leaning back on my couch, I mean, the room rearranged itself and became something else.

02:47:11.000 And I felt happy.

02:47:14.000 Graham Hancock is a very fascinating way of looking at it.

02:47:17.000 And what he thinks, the way he described it to me, I never heard anybody describe it this way before, but it made total sense.

02:47:23.000 He said, everyone says, you're taking drugs and it's distorting your perception of reality, and that's what you're saying.

02:47:29.000 He goes, that is a possibility.

02:47:31.000 Another possibility is that, like a telescope, needs to be tuned in to see a far-off star, that what you're doing by taking this chemical that your brain already makes, you're tuning in to something that's ordinarily impossible for you to see,

02:47:46.000 and that there is this dimension that is around you all the time, and it is filled with intelligent entities.

02:47:52.000 And he said, we must consider that that is also a possibility.

02:47:57.000 And that is a fascinating way of looking at it.

02:48:01.000 Because we really don't know what's happening, and the people that aren't blown away by it are just the people who haven't done it.

02:48:07.000 If you've done it and you're not blown away by it, I don't understand you.

02:48:12.000 There's also supposedly some people who don't have a reaction to DMT. There's a small percentage of people that try it where nothing happens.

02:48:21.000 I've tried...

02:48:22.000 I went two separate occasions.

02:48:27.000 The first time, it didn't work for me.

02:48:29.000 And then the second time, it did.

02:48:31.000 Was the first time bad stuff?

02:48:33.000 I think the first time, we didn't administer it right.

02:48:35.000 And then the second time, it was done right.

02:48:37.000 And the second time, it was...

02:48:39.000 The second time, it was like...

02:48:40.000 Because also, I hit it extra hard because I was like, ain't no mistake, it's going to work this time.

02:48:46.000 So I had this really like...

02:48:49.000 Man.

02:48:50.000 Man.

02:48:51.000 You know what? 1.00

02:48:52.000 Shit was crazy. 1.00

02:48:53.000 My story is the same as yours. 1.00

02:48:54.000 Almost.

02:48:56.000 It's slightly different in that I did it. 0.93

02:48:58.000 The first time I did it, it was pretty fucking profound. 0.97

02:49:01.000 Intensely profound. 0.97

02:49:02.000 And I thought I'd hit the center of the universe.

02:49:05.000 I thought I'd...

02:49:06.000 And then the second time I did it, I blew way past that spot to some complete new place where there was no avoiding it, no denying it.

02:49:14.000 And I went, oh, this is it.

02:49:16.000 And that's the spot I've been kind of going to pretty much every time since then.

02:49:20.000 But the first time was unbelievably profound, way more profound than anything else, and I didn't really even get all the way through.

02:49:26.000 Right, me, I haven't been through yet.

02:49:28.000 Like that world that you're talking about.

02:49:30.000 I haven't went there.

02:49:32.000 I couldn't even get out of whatever was happening in that room in my house because it was...

02:49:38.000 I don't know if I was...

02:49:40.000 Did you keep your eyes open?

02:49:43.000 For the most part, my eyes were wide open because I was so intrigued that like...

02:49:47.000 Yeah.

02:49:48.000 I was just like, what? 1.00

02:49:49.000 I've seen a bunch of shit around you. 1.00

02:49:50.000 Yeah, but then when I closed my eyes... 1.00

02:49:53.000 And I got over that.

02:49:54.000 Then that was a whole other experience.

02:49:56.000 And that was this tunnel-like thing.

02:49:57.000 And then it was dark. 0.99

02:49:59.000 It was more some evil shit happening there. 0.99

02:50:00.000 It didn't freak me out too much. 0.99

02:50:04.000 That's another thing, people. 0.99

02:50:05.000 If you see some shit that might freak you out, just remember you are on drugs. 1.00

02:50:11.000 You took some shit. 1.00

02:50:12.000 Or you're seeing demons for real. 1.00

02:50:14.000 Yeah, but they can't harm you. 1.00

02:50:16.000 You know, just sit your ass still, don't fucking move, and you know, you'll come back. 1.00

02:50:20.000 Hopefully. 1.00

02:50:21.000 Hopefully. 0.98

02:50:22.000 But this was more just like, just some weird shit happening. 0.98

02:50:26.000 I didn't go down that rabbit hole too far. 0.99

02:50:28.000 I just kind of opened my eyes back open, and just kind of, still shit was weird. 0.96

02:50:33.000 But I kid you not, Joe, as soon as I was kind of like, oh, I'm over this, then I came back. 0.88

02:50:41.000 Hmm.

02:50:42.000 And it was kind of like what I could describe as like an overlapping a little bit of that world and reality still.

02:50:50.000 A little haze of it where it was shades of the other world.

02:50:53.000 It was almost like I saw a face in the corner of my room just kind of dip back off into the walls.

02:50:59.000 Yeah.

02:50:59.000 I saw like these kind of like...

02:51:04.000 Spider-y things kind of coming out my Grammy and onto the ground.

02:51:09.000 But that's the thing, though.

02:51:10.000 At this point, my room was back to it being a room.

02:51:14.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:51:15.000 I was back to reality, but it was like this...

02:51:19.000 The world was still...

02:51:23.000 The echo from where I was at was still kind of in the room.

02:51:27.000 You know, and it hadn't worn off yet completely.

02:51:29.000 Yeah, well, next time you do it, don't do it that way.

02:51:33.000 What?

02:51:33.000 Next time you do it, just keep your eyes closed and let it go away.

02:51:35.000 So don't keep my eyes open?

02:51:37.000 No, I don't think so.

02:51:38.000 Dude! 1.00

02:51:38.000 I think the keeping the eyes open part is probably fucking with you. 1.00

02:51:42.000 Oh, man, I was... 0.99

02:51:43.000 Yeah, they say the best way to do it is in a really comfortable place.

02:51:46.000 I mean, I loved it though.

02:51:47.000 It wasn't that scary.

02:51:48.000 It was still positive.

02:51:49.000 Yeah, but I didn't go to that world that you said you were going to because my eyes were open.

02:51:55.000 It was really just...

02:51:56.000 I was just so intrigued.

02:51:58.000 I wanted to paint.

02:51:58.000 It must have been crazy.

02:51:59.000 When I got done, I wanted to paint everything I saw because...

02:52:02.000 I just had never seen anything like that, and I never want to paint, dude.

02:52:06.000 Have you ever seen Alex Gray's paintings? 0.95

02:52:07.000 Yes, and that's the thing, but I don't know if my shit was going to be like that, because I didn't go to that world. 0.95

02:52:12.000 Right, right, right. 0.99

02:52:13.000 Whatever you went to would be different than this world.

02:52:16.000 But you know how you were saying, or some of those paintings are just some guy, and there's all this energy around, and it's all these colors.

02:52:22.000 I didn't see that.

02:52:23.000 I didn't get there yet.

02:52:25.000 Well, most people don't get enough.

02:52:28.000 But like I said, my first experience, I thought it was pretty fucking amazing, and it still wasn't nothing like the second one.

02:52:33.000 The second one, I was like, oh, I get it. 0.99

02:52:36.000 Boy, that was ridiculous.

02:52:37.000 I thought I was already there, because what I had seen was still so much different than reality. 0.93

02:52:43.000 I was like, wow, this is the craziest thing ever.

02:52:45.000 But it was not even close to the actual craziest thing ever.

02:52:47.000 So you close your eyes every time?

02:52:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:52:49.000 You never keep your eyes open.

02:52:51.000 I have opened my eyes before.

02:52:53.000 And what happens?

02:52:53.000 Just you see patterns everywhere.

02:52:55.000 I think there's a conflict of information.

02:52:58.000 There's the information you're getting from your eyeballs.

02:53:01.000 There's two different trips.

02:53:02.000 Yeah, and then there's what's going on in your imagination or your mind.

02:53:05.000 Whatever the imagination is.

02:53:06.000 Not even to...

02:53:08.000 Implied that it's not real or it's not a real experience the imagine the term the imagination has a lot of like negative connotations to it But whatever it's going on when you got your eyes closed you're not there's no physical objects in front of you You're seeing all this stuff happening in your in your visual field with your eyes closed But you're not you know,

02:53:25.000 there's nothing you reach out and grab so that's why I'm saying imagination But whatever you're doing when you're doing that is real I don't know what it is. 0.92

02:53:33.000 I don't know what the fuck is happening. 0.97

02:53:35.000 But it's real. 0.99

02:53:37.000 Dude, we're out of time.

02:53:38.000 Oh, man.

02:53:38.000 It's over.

02:53:39.000 We did three hours.

02:53:39.000 It's awesome.

02:53:40.000 Flew by.

02:53:40.000 Thank you, man.

02:53:41.000 This is awesome.

02:53:41.000 Really appreciate it.

02:53:42.000 And I think it was cool for people to get a unique insight into your creative process.

02:53:46.000 It was really powerful. 0.99

02:53:47.000 All the shit that you shared about your personal life and the coke and everything. 0.99

02:53:50.000 That was amazing. 0.99

02:53:51.000 Thank you, man.

02:53:51.000 Thank you very much.

02:53:52.000 Hell yeah.

02:53:52.000 Anytime.

02:53:53.000 And ladies and gentlemen, that's the end, you dirty fucks. 1.00

02:53:56.000 So, we will see you very soon. 0.99

02:54:00.000 Many more podcasts this week. 1.00

02:54:02.000 And until then, go fuck yourselves. 1.00

02:54:05.000 I love you guys! 1.00

02:54:06.000 Much love to everybody.

02:54:07.000 Big kiss.

02:54:09.000 That was awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 22, 2014

Joe Rogan Experience #552 - Kid Cudi

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