The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #607 - Joe Schilling

00:00:07.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:16.000 Alright, with me today, this Friday night, you can catch him live on Spike TV, Glory 19, right?

00:00:24.000 Yes, sir.

00:00:24.000 It's number 19?

00:00:25.000 Stitching my Joe Schilling, live from Los Angeles.

00:00:29.000 Welcome aboard, brother. 1.00

00:00:30.000 Pull that sucker right up to your face. 1.00

00:00:31.000 Don't be shy. 1.00

00:00:32.000 You're drinking distilled water, huh?

00:00:34.000 That's to cut weight?

00:00:35.000 Is that what that is?

00:00:36.000 Yes, sir.

00:00:36.000 How much you cut?

00:00:39.000 I try to cut like 12 pounds of water, maybe a little less, but the process, it's like five gallons of water over three days.

00:00:45.000 Is there like a science to this, or is this like, does everybody do the same thing?

00:00:50.000 Or like, it seems like a lot of people have different methods on how to do this.

00:00:52.000 Yeah, a lot of people have different methods.

00:00:55.000 I read about it online probably five years ago from some wrestler and we tried it and it worked really well for me so I just keep the same way but I'll do two gallons of water like my weigh-ins on Thursday so I started on Sunday.

00:01:05.000 Two gallons of distilled water on Sunday.

00:01:09.000 Two gallons on Sunday, two gallons on Monday, one gallon, Tuesday to Wednesday, and then Wednesday for 24 hours, I won't drink any water, no salt, and it just kind of comes right off.

00:01:19.000 So Wednesday, no water, all the way through Thursday, no water.

00:01:23.000 The weigh-ins are Thursday?

00:01:25.000 Yeah.

00:01:25.000 And because of the distilled water, because the distilled water has no minerals in it, it's just pure water, it just flushes through your system?

00:01:32.000 Is that the idea behind it?

00:01:33.000 Yeah, and it hasn't had...

00:01:34.000 It doesn't have any minerals, so your body doesn't hold on to it.

00:01:37.000 And because it's flushing through your system, it pulls all the other minerals out with it.

00:01:40.000 So, you know, the first two days, you're just peeing like crazy.

00:01:44.000 You're sweating like crazy.

00:01:45.000 You put on deodorant, you're still sweating like crazy.

00:01:47.000 Your body feels like it's over flooded with water.

00:01:51.000 That last 24-hour period, it's still in that same cycle, and the rest of the water just comes right out.

00:01:56.000 Yeah, see, I would think that that would be not good for you.

00:01:59.000 Yeah, it's probably not.

00:02:00.000 Distilled water?

00:02:01.000 It just seems like, because I know my friend Aubrey, he went on this weird diet of distilled water. 0.98

00:02:07.000 He thought distilled water would be pure, and he started getting dizzy and shit, I think, and he went and got himself checked out, and they're like, dude, you don't have any fucking minerals in your system. 0.98

00:02:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:02:17.000 You can't be doing that.

00:02:18.000 Yeah, it's definitely not a healthy thing.

00:02:21.000 You know, I definitely don't advocate it for anything other than cutting weight.

00:02:24.000 What do you weigh in at?

00:02:25.000 187. You weigh in at 187, you walk around somewhere around...

00:02:29.000 If I'm walking around, like, maybe six weeks ago, I was probably like 210, 212. You know, if that's eating whatever I want, you know, drinking beer, doing whatever I want to do.

00:02:37.000 Yeah, everybody's got their own little ideas about what should be done as far as, like, how much weight to cut before you compete.

00:02:44.000 Some guys think cut the minimum amount possible, and then there's these extreme dudes that cut, like, 30, 40 pounds.

00:02:50.000 Yeah, it really comes down to everybody and then also like your style of fighting some guys I think need to feel strong a lot bigger and stronger because maybe they're lacking or because they you know whatever reason they need to be bigger and stronger than the other guy but there's a hindrance you know I've cut too much weight and over hydrated and learned lessons that way where you you know yeah I think when I fought Simon Marcus the second time when I flew to Vegas I still had like one gallon of distilled water I was supposed to drink,

00:03:19.000 and they wouldn't let me take it on the plane.

00:03:21.000 Giant gallon of water.

00:03:22.000 And as soon as I landed, they had me doing press and stuff, and I didn't get to drink that last gallon of water.

00:03:27.000 So I started drinking coffee like crazy, thinking, well, that's diuretic.

00:03:30.000 It'll help me lose the water.

00:03:31.000 And when that 24-hour period came, where it was time to cut the weight, I hadn't really dropped anything.

00:03:36.000 I was still like 22 pounds over.

00:03:37.000 So I had to cut 22 pounds in 24 hours, and it was terrible.

00:03:43.000 It was awful.

00:03:44.000 I've seen, you know, the first round, I came out strong.

00:03:46.000 I felt really good.

00:03:48.000 And then after the second round, it was like, it was almost like, you know, when you have a dream and you're trying to fight somebody, but you're laying on your arm and you can't get the punch off.

00:03:57.000 It was just like that.

00:03:58.000 And it was a bad performance.

00:04:00.000 So I learned from that one a lot.

00:04:01.000 The point of diminishing returns.

00:04:03.000 That's a big one when it comes to weight cutting, right?

00:04:05.000 It's almost like a whole other event in itself.

00:04:08.000 There's like the fight, the training for the fight, the preparation, skills, strength and conditioning, all that jazz.

00:04:13.000 And then there's this weight cutting thing that's a totally different event.

00:04:17.000 And guys fail at it.

00:04:18.000 Like this past weekend, two big important fights, the guys failed at it. 0.99

00:04:22.000 John Lineker failed for like the fifth fucking time. 0.97

00:04:25.000 The guy can't make 125. But he wants to be the bigger guy. 0.99

00:04:29.000 You know, he doesn't want to fight 135. And then Kelvin, Kelvin Gaslam, same thing.

00:04:29.000 Yeah.

00:04:33.000 Couldn't make 170 for like the fourth time.

00:04:36.000 Mm-hmm.

00:04:37.000 I don't know how many times Calvin's missed.

00:04:39.000 Not as many as Lineker, but he's caught it close many times.

00:04:43.000 And then you got a guy like Anthony Johnson that had a really bad reputation in the UFC. He got cut because he couldn't make weight, and then finally decided to stick to his natural weight, and he's killing it.

00:04:54.000 Ridiculous! 0.98

00:04:54.000 It's a weird balancing act. 0.98

00:04:56.000 I think everybody has their own...

00:04:57.000 You know, you gotta learn your lessons and work from it. 0.95

00:05:00.000 There's never been a guy like Johnson, who at 170, he's a good fighter, very good, but struggles to make weight and then fades late in fights because he's depleting the shit out of his body. 0.99

00:05:11.000 Goes all the way up to heavyweight and beats the shit out of Andre Orlovsky, and you're like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:05:18.000 Heavyweight? 0.88

00:05:18.000 And then drops down to 205 to compete in the UFC, makes weight no problem, and is the number one contender now. 0.88

00:05:24.000 And just terrifying.

00:05:25.000 Terrifying.

00:05:26.000 Amazing.

00:05:26.000 Terrifying fighter.

00:05:27.000 It's amazing how this guy, like, not torturing his body, is now one of the best fighters on earth.

00:05:33.000 Whereas three years ago, he didn't have a career. 0.99

00:05:36.000 His career was fucked up. 0.99

00:05:37.000 Right. 0.99

00:05:37.000 All just because of weight cutting. 0.99

00:05:39.000 Yeah, you know, it's a weird thing, you know.

00:05:44.000 If you don't do the weight cutting, or we did like same day weigh-ins, then you still have guys that are gonna try to cut the weight and fight the same day, and it's not healthy.

00:05:51.000 It's terrible, boy, especially striking sports.

00:05:54.000 It's terrible for you with wrestling, but guys get away with it.

00:05:58.000 But with combat sports, anytime you're involving head strikes, We're good to go.

00:06:29.000 Wow.

00:06:29.000 And then now I think you have to be under 145 to be in 8oz gloves.

00:06:33.000 Wow.

00:06:34.000 I mean, can you imagine heavyweight fighting with 8oz gloves?

00:06:36.000 It's basically an MMA glove.

00:06:38.000 Just a different style, you know.

00:06:39.000 Wow.

00:06:40.000 Well, how about the Jack Johnson days where they used to wear those Everlast bag gloves.

00:06:44.000 Those little tights.

00:06:44.000 Right.

00:06:45.000 They were just basically knuckle pads.

00:06:46.000 Yeah.

00:06:47.000 It's crazy.

00:06:47.000 Well, there's some guys that think, and I'm one of them, that MMA would probably be more realistic and better if no one wore gloves.

00:06:54.000 I feel like if you can knee someone in the face, elbow someone in the face, kick someone in the face, why you punched him in the face with gloves on...

00:07:02.000 It just protects your hands more than anything.

00:07:05.000 Also, the wrists.

00:07:07.000 Having your wrists taped up and nice and solid, it makes it so you can hit people harder.

00:07:12.000 You could be much more careless with your punches.

00:07:15.000 If you had bare knuckles, it would be a much more realistic scenario as far as what you can do with your body.

00:07:23.000 You're taping everything up and wrapping everything nice and tight and solid and patting it.

00:07:27.000 You're turning your hand to a different thing.

00:07:30.000 Right, well it's like some athletic commissions allow you to tape your ankle.

00:07:33.000 Some athletic commissions don't.

00:07:35.000 If you watch the old K1s and stuff, you'll see Badr Hari and these guys have a huge amount of padding placed over their ankle and their foot.

00:07:44.000 That padding is not protecting the person they're hitting, it's protecting you.

00:07:47.000 So if you're ripping kicks and you kick somebody in the elbow and you have a pad on it, it's going to protect you.

00:07:53.000 You're going to be more likely to keep kicking than if you smashed your foot in the first one.

00:07:57.000 It's kind of interesting. 0.99

00:07:58.000 Yeah, I think protect your tees, protect your balls, that's it. 0.98

00:08:02.000 I think maybe that's the best way to go. 0.94

00:08:04.000 But everybody has this thing where it would look more barbaric if somehow or another your knuckles weren't protected.

00:08:11.000 Right.

00:08:12.000 Well, then also you've got to look at it from a promotion standpoint.

00:08:14.000 If everybody was breaking their hands in fights, as a fan, we wouldn't get to see those fights as often as we like to see them.

00:08:22.000 That is true.

00:08:23.000 And then you talk about...

00:08:25.000 Like the impact on the problems with brain damage and the side effects for guys after their career.

00:08:32.000 Can you imagine if we had even less padding on our hands?

00:08:35.000 Well, they think that there would be actually less brain damage because guys wouldn't get hit as much.

00:08:39.000 You'd have to be much more judicious with where you placed your punches.

00:08:43.000 And because of the fact that if you hit somebody in the forehead, you're most likely going to snap your knuckles.

00:08:48.000 Right.

00:08:49.000 You'd be a little bit more careful.

00:08:50.000 I don't know.

00:08:51.000 It's a weird argument.

00:08:52.000 Yeah.

00:08:53.000 It's like the same argument with football.

00:08:55.000 They've said that if football players didn't have pads, didn't have helmets...

00:08:58.000 We're good to go.

00:09:18.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:09:19.000 That's true.

00:09:20.000 So you were in camp with Nick Diaz in preparation for his fight this past weekend with Anderson Silva, which was an amazing fight.

00:09:28.000 You know, and I've been thinking a lot about that fight after it was over.

00:09:31.000 And one of the things that really, really like locked into my head was there's a lot of people that are calling for Anderson to retire now, you know, and they're saying that, you know, and even Chris Weidman is one of them.

00:09:42.000 He said he'd like to see Anderson retire.

00:09:44.000 But I watched the fight and I was thinking about myself after the fight.

00:09:49.000 Nick and Silva, that was a better fight than Nick and Carlos Condit.

00:09:54.000 It was a better fight than GSP and Nick.

00:09:58.000 It was a good fight.

00:10:01.000 It was a good, competitive, exciting fight. 0.99

00:10:05.000 Anderson Silva fighting Nick Diaz is a tough motherfucker. 0.98

00:10:09.000 He's a good fighter. 0.99

00:10:10.000 He's very smart and very crafty.

00:10:13.000 And I think that the guy coming off of those two fights, it's almost like we expect more of him than of just a regular fighter.

00:10:21.000 If that was GSP in his prime and he put on the exact same performance, and if you just CGI'd GSP's body and made someone watch the fight, well, that's a good fight. 0.53

00:10:30.000 Well, the beginning was kind of ridiculous. 0.66

00:10:31.000 Nick was clowning him, which was hilarious. 0.91

00:10:34.000 I was howling, laughing.

00:10:36.000 I couldn't stop myself.

00:10:38.000 I was slapping the table.

00:10:39.000 When he laid down and put his head like he's taking a nap on.

00:10:42.000 We were in the corner laughing.

00:10:43.000 We couldn't believe it.

00:10:44.000 I was worried about him.

00:10:46.000 Going into the fight, I felt a lot of responsibility for him, kickboxing-wise.

00:10:51.000 I felt like my job helping him out...

00:10:54.000 He's one of my good friends.

00:10:55.000 I came with him anyway, but in this fight at camp, I was kind of more of a coaching.

00:11:00.000 I felt a lot of responsibility, him not to get caught.

00:11:02.000 Did I teach him the right things?

00:11:05.000 Did I tell him enough stuff?

00:11:06.000 I felt like a lot of responsibility.

00:11:08.000 I'm yelling out instructions or whatever, and he did that, and I was like, You know, and then he stood up and walked right at him with his hands down. 0.97

00:11:16.000 I'm like, I don't get fucking hit. 0.94

00:11:17.000 Right, right, right. 0.98

00:11:18.000 But yeah, I was super proud of him.

00:11:20.000 Yeah, that's happened to me in the past too.

00:11:24.000 You know, when I fought Kalkly, nobody thought I was going to win.

00:11:27.000 I was, oh, Joe's going to get destroyed, you know, and I was the only one that believed I was going to win.

00:11:31.000 And then once I ended up beating him decisively, then it was, oh, he should retire.

00:11:36.000 He's not good anymore.

00:11:37.000 And I think that's just not fair, you know?

00:11:38.000 It's like the guy comes back from, you know, Yeah.

00:12:05.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:12:07.000 I think Anderson did, like I said, I think he did better than Carlos Condit did.

00:12:11.000 He did better than George Cini-Pierre did.

00:12:13.000 George essentially fought him a little bit on the feet, but most of the fight he took him down.

00:12:17.000 He tried to take him down and control him on the ground, and George is a very strong guy.

00:12:20.000 He's got real good top control.

00:12:22.000 But, you know, Anderson stood up with him, and the entire fight was taking place kickboxing.

00:12:29.000 I think Anderson looked good, you know, and especially when you come off two big losses like that and your head's all fucked up and, you know, everybody's calling on you to retire. 0.98

00:12:38.000 First of all, the first fight had to fuck with his confidence so hard that he did that. 0.99

00:12:42.000 Because he was clowning and he got caught, which is everyone's worst nightmare. 0.99

00:12:46.000 Because, like, when you're clowning, you're trying to make fun of your opponent and then, boom, you get cracked with a big left hook and the lights go out and you're like, No way.

00:12:54.000 That way? 0.73

00:12:55.000 Like, to lose that way after all those victories, after the Vitor Belfort fight, after fucking up Chael Sonnen in the rematch, and after all those spectacular victories against James Irvin and Forrest Griffin, and, you know, to lose like that is like, 0.99

00:13:11.000 holy shit. 0.99

00:13:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:13.000 I mean, that's... 0.99

00:13:14.000 That was...

00:13:15.000 Going into the camp, I was looking at stuff, because, you know, it was a really tough fight for Nick, and...

00:13:20.000 You know, a lot of people didn't think he was going to, you know, Forrest Griffin when the fight first came out said that, you know, it was just a silly fight.

00:13:25.000 It wasn't, I don't know, I wouldn't call it a super fight.

00:13:27.000 You know, he's just too small for that, you know, and I think a lot of people count him out.

00:13:31.000 But when I was looking at Anderson's fights, things that I noticed were people say he was showboating or whatever.

00:13:38.000 I think that when it didn't go his way against Chris Weidman the first time he started he kind of broke mentally and that's why he started showboating and I had done that in the past and paid for it but ultimately I think that his style is to bait people into coming so he can use his reach and then catching them with shots so right with Nick you know my thing was you have to find that middle range somehow you know either get him to come at you or go just enough that you're inside of that middle range but not go all the way into the

00:14:08.000 clinch and get and get stuck in his clinch you know right and That, I think, had a lot to do with Nick baiting him to come forward.

00:14:15.000 And I think that also messed with Anderson's head.

00:14:17.000 No one's ever...

00:14:18.000 No one's ever clowned Anderson, you know?

00:14:20.000 A lot of these guys go in there and they...

00:14:22.000 One, I think they get surprised by...

00:14:25.000 They're not prepared to fight that level of kickboxing.

00:14:28.000 You know, they're not used to seeing that level of striking, that speed, that range, those moves.

00:14:33.000 And then the other thing is that they...

00:14:35.000 They get out there and they're like, I'm fighting, you know, the best striker in the world.

00:14:37.000 This is the GOAT. This is the GOAT. Right.

00:14:39.000 And I think that was a big thing for Nick was, you know, I don't think Nick believes for a second that he's the greatest fighter of all time.

00:14:46.000 Right.

00:14:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:14:47.000 And same thing with Chael Sonnen the first time he fought him.

00:14:49.000 Chael fought, you know, for all the stuff that Chael said, Chael really believed he was going to beat Anderson Silva that night, which is why he did beat him for, you know, almost the entire fight until he got caught.

00:14:59.000 I think the second fight maybe was a little different, but I think most of the other guys that he fought didn't really think that they could, they didn't visualize themselves winning that fight, and then that gave it to Anderson.

00:15:08.000 Well, Anderson is a great counter-striker, and that's always been what he's most spectacular at.

00:15:14.000 I mean, he will lead, but most of the time, he only does it when he has a massive advantage.

00:15:19.000 Like, the first couple rounds against Damian Maia, like he was going after Maia.

00:15:23.000 But Damian Maia is like a plodding guy who doesn't have good strike, especially back then, didn't have good striking.

00:15:30.000 But if you look at the Talos Latis fight, or if you look at...

00:15:35.000 The Patrick Cote fight.

00:15:36.000 He likes to lay back and let guys come to him.

00:15:39.000 And when guys just stand there and wait for him to come, the fights get really boring.

00:15:44.000 He was involved in a few stinkers that everybody kind of forgot about.

00:15:47.000 And that was because he's not the attacking style of fighter. 0.98

00:15:53.000 There's some guys that just fucking attack. 0.98

00:15:55.000 Like Rumble. 0.99

00:15:56.000 Anthony Johnson goes after you.

00:15:59.000 Bell rings.

00:16:00.000 He's charging at you, throwing bombs.

00:16:02.000 Anderson has never been that kind of a fight.

00:16:04.000 He's always been much more of a tactician.

00:16:07.000 And then there's always the air of invincibility.

00:16:10.000 But that air of invincibility is gone.

00:16:12.000 It's just completely gone.

00:16:12.000 Yeah, it's gone now.

00:16:14.000 I think it's gone.

00:16:14.000 It's gone.

00:16:15.000 It was so weird seeing him weeping after the fight, too.

00:16:18.000 And then Nick goes and picks him up.

00:16:20.000 That was pretty badass.

00:16:21.000 And Nick was like, come on, man.

00:16:23.000 You can't be crying.

00:16:24.000 You're the greatest of all time.

00:16:25.000 You can't be crying.

00:16:26.000 You know, Nick and Nate, they get painted to be these, like, bad guys, and, you know, that's part of the persona that, you know, they promote, and that's all well and good, but, like, they're very, very respectful.

00:16:35.000 But, you know, when he, um, uh, when Nick beat Frank Shamrock, he was on the ground after the fight, and Nick reached down and picked him up and said, you know, you're a legend, you can't be on the floor, stand up, or whatever.

00:16:45.000 Yeah.

00:16:45.000 And this is, but all people see is, you know, they go for the stare-down in the press conference, and Nick flicks him off, and Frank Shamrock grabs his balls, but, you know, they're both very respectful fighters, and, uh, I think they get a bad rap sometimes.

00:16:58.000 Well, he definitely gets crazy before the fight and anxious, but that's to be expected. 0.99

00:17:04.000 And the shit-talking, look, Sun Tzu said it in The Art of War. 0.99

00:17:09.000 Miyamoto Musashi talked about it in The Book of Five Rings. 0.99

00:17:12.000 There's all sorts of things that go on in the fight.

00:17:15.000 And in any contest, there's advantages to be had.

00:17:19.000 And there's mental advantages that if you do not take advantage of those mental advantages, and your opponent does, you're at a disadvantage. 0.99

00:17:25.000 And when Nick immediately starts to fight, and he's like, he's got his hands out to Anderson, like, what, bitch? 1.00

00:17:31.000 What, bitch? 1.00

00:17:32.000 And he's walking towards him. 1.00

00:17:33.000 Come on, what the fuck are you going to do? 0.99

00:17:34.000 Come on, what are you going to do? 0.99

00:17:35.000 And you see him talking, like, constantly talking.

00:17:37.000 And you see Anderson, like, people get flustered when Nick does that.

00:17:41.000 Big time.

00:17:42.000 He does it in sparring, too.

00:17:44.000 Does he really?

00:17:44.000 Yeah, he does it in sparring.

00:17:45.000 The first time I met Nick, I was brought in for actually the...

00:17:49.000 For Nate's fight with Donald Cerrone.

00:17:51.000 And when I got to the gym, Nate had hurt his neck or something, had to go to the chiropractor or something.

00:17:58.000 And they were like, oh, just wait.

00:17:59.000 You can spar with Nick.

00:17:59.000 Nick will be here.

00:18:00.000 And I was like, okay.

00:18:01.000 So, like, Nick shows up.

00:18:02.000 And I'm a big fan of these guys, you know?

00:18:04.000 I was kind of like, you know, a little starstruck.

00:18:07.000 And Nick shows up, and he's just, what's up?

00:18:10.000 Yeah.

00:18:11.000 And I'm like, I tell the coach that brought me in.

00:18:13.000 I was like, so...

00:18:15.000 Are we going to spar or are we going to fight right now?

00:18:17.000 He's like, you're going to fight right now.

00:18:18.000 I was like, alright.

00:18:20.000 You know, but it was just like, just like he walks into the cage, you know, kind of like just looking me up and down kind of thing.

00:18:26.000 And then, you know, we sparred and it was really hard.

00:18:28.000 We had like a really good, a really hard session.

00:18:30.000 And after that, he was like, kickboxing, huh?

00:18:34.000 So, yeah.

00:18:34.000 You want to hang out after?

00:18:35.000 You know, we started hanging out after that.

00:18:36.000 But it was, it was very much like, like his, you know, that's, that's who he is.

00:18:42.000 You know, it's a, Yeah, what kind of insight can you give us to why is he like that?

00:18:47.000 What's going on behind the eyes?

00:18:53.000 Honestly, I couldn't.

00:18:57.000 Nick's a good friend of mine.

00:18:58.000 I couldn't tell you what the hell is going on in his head.

00:19:00.000 That's just who he is, huh? 0.97

00:19:02.000 I think he gets people thinking he doesn't know what he's doing or he's crazy, but I guarantee...

00:19:08.000 Once you figure out he knows exactly what he's doing all the time, there's a plan, which there totally is, then, you know, but you worry about him sometimes.

00:19:16.000 Like, what's he doing?

00:19:17.000 Well, he's an enigma in far as, like, when you look at the way he behaves, you go, oh, okay.

00:19:21.000 Well, this is like a thug who's a street guy.

00:19:24.000 And then you find out, oh, no, no, no.

00:19:26.000 He's on this incredibly clean, organic diet.

00:19:29.000 He runs triathlons on a regular basis. 1.00

00:19:31.000 The fucking guy swims back from Alcatraz. 0.99

00:19:34.000 I mean, he's an incredible endurance athlete. 1.00

00:19:37.000 This is not like a dummy.

00:19:39.000 This is a very calculated guy, legit black belt in jujitsu, like very, very good on the ground.

00:19:45.000 His boxing's outstanding.

00:19:47.000 There's too much good.

00:19:49.000 There's too much preparation, too much discipline, too much intelligence in the way he carries himself inside the competition. 0.56

00:19:59.000 He's not dumb at all. 0.81

00:20:01.000 He's not dumb. 0.92

00:20:01.000 No. 0.92

00:20:02.000 He's very smart.

00:20:03.000 He's an enigma.

00:20:04.000 Yeah, some of the stuff he talks about is just like, you know, I want to like take notes, you know, like the diet stuff. 1.00

00:20:09.000 He's always on me, my shit. 0.91

00:20:10.000 I drink rock stars and energy drinks, you know, smoke cigarettes from time to time. 1.00

00:20:14.000 Do you?

00:20:15.000 He's like, he's very much not.

00:20:17.000 Did the cigarette thing come from Thai, from training Muay Thai?

00:20:21.000 Because so many Thais smoke cigarettes. 1.00

00:20:24.000 It started when I was a kid.

00:20:25.000 You know, my dad always smoked.

00:20:27.000 My step-mom always smoked.

00:20:29.000 My brothers, I'm the youngest of three.

00:20:30.000 They always smoked.

00:20:31.000 I'm from Ohio.

00:20:32.000 Everybody was smoking back in the day.

00:20:33.000 And it started when I was a kid.

00:20:34.000 And then I think when I started doing kickboxing, it was more like, okay.

00:20:40.000 I made excuses.

00:20:42.000 There was other people that smoked cigarettes kind of thing.

00:20:44.000 I mean, I don't advocate it at all, but I'm not going to...

00:20:46.000 How often do you smoke cigarettes?

00:20:48.000 I smoke cigarettes pretty often.

00:20:49.000 Really?

00:20:49.000 Yeah.

00:20:50.000 You smoking right now while you're in training?

00:20:50.000 Like right now?

00:20:52.000 Yep. 0.99

00:20:52.000 No shit? 0.99

00:20:53.000 No. 1.00

00:20:54.000 Like a pack a day?

00:20:56.000 I try to cut back, you know, when I'm having fights.

00:20:59.000 Just because, you know, I'm running, I'm training really hard.

00:21:02.000 But yeah, I'm a regular smoker of cigarettes.

00:21:04.000 Jesus Christ, Joe! 1.00

00:21:07.000 That's fucking terrible! 0.99

00:21:09.000 I'm not gonna hide who I am. 0.99

00:21:10.000 You know, some people do have vices and whatnot. 0.97

00:21:13.000 But what's incredible is you fought in that fucking glory tournament, which was a brutal tournament, which I went to in LA. It was amazing. 0.98

00:21:20.000 That fight with Simon Marcus, when it went into the fourth round, you caught him with that right hand. 0.99

00:21:24.000 First of all, that is a fucking war for one fight. 0.99

00:21:27.000 But the fact that you had to fight three fucking times in a night against world-class fighters like that. 0.99

00:21:35.000 Wayne Barrett in your next fight. 0.99

00:21:37.000 Jesus Christ.

00:21:38.000 And then Levin, right?

00:21:39.000 Levin in the finals, who's one of the best in the world.

00:21:42.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

00:21:43.000 Crazy fucking night of combat. 1.00

00:21:45.000 Yeah, it was... 1.00

00:21:46.000 It was nuts. 0.99

00:21:47.000 What the fuck does the next day feel like after that? 0.99

00:21:50.000 Man, it was terrible. 0.99

00:21:50.000 Oh my god. 0.99

00:21:51.000 How many cigarettes did you smoke the next day?

00:21:53.000 I gotta...

00:21:54.000 Man, I can't believe I'm saying this.

00:21:55.000 So after I... Oh, man.

00:22:00.000 Don't smoke cigarettes, kids.

00:22:01.000 It's bad for you.

00:22:02.000 Don't smoke, kids.

00:22:03.000 Don't smoke.

00:22:03.000 It's really bad.

00:22:04.000 Listen, Uncle Joe.

00:22:04.000 And like, people...

00:22:06.000 You constantly hear shit from people like Joe, you know, and Nick and all of the other people. 0.98

00:22:10.000 You don't get... 1.00

00:22:13.000 People don't respect you as much when you smoke cigarettes and make dumb choices like that in the fighting community. 0.99

00:22:19.000 It is what it is. 0.87

00:22:20.000 Well, you have great cardio, which is weird.

00:22:22.000 I train really hard.

00:22:23.000 I'm a very hard worker when it's sudden to buckle down.

00:22:26.000 But how much of an edge do you think you would have more if you didn't have cigarettes?

00:22:26.000 I buckle down.

00:22:31.000 I've thought about that for a long time. 1.00

00:22:33.000 Goddamn, dude. 0.99

00:22:34.000 Probably would have more of an edge. 1.00

00:22:36.000 You might be the baddest motherfucker ever if you quit cigarettes. 1.00

00:22:38.000 That's true. 1.00

00:22:39.000 Well, I don't think I'm that far off from it now, to be honest with you.

00:22:42.000 You're pretty close.

00:22:43.000 You're pretty close.

00:22:44.000 But yeah, after I knocked out Simon in the Glory Tournament, We're in the back dressing room and they want me to lay down and ice me and all that stuff and I'm like, coach, let's go outside.

00:22:57.000 You smoked a cigarette in between the fights?

00:22:59.000 I went outside after Simon and had my hands wrapped and walking out.

00:23:04.000 The security's like, where are you going?

00:23:05.000 I'm like, I'll be right back.

00:23:06.000 Smoked a cigarette.

00:23:07.000 Calmed down a little bit.

00:23:09.000 Felt a little better.

00:23:10.000 It was such an insane night that night.

00:23:14.000 After the Simon fight, I was really pumped and I was banged up.

00:23:19.000 But I felt I was really on this high from beating him.

00:23:21.000 He had beat me twice in the past, and it was a big moment for me.

00:23:27.000 The Wayne Barrett fight was just a really frustrating, mentally challenging fight.

00:23:32.000 His style, the first time we fought, It really frustrated me, and I did what Anderson did with Weidman the first time.

00:23:40.000 I kind of cracked under the frustration.

00:23:42.000 I put my hands on my hips, and I kind of gave away the fight.

00:23:45.000 What style?

00:23:46.000 Describe his style.

00:23:48.000 It's very different.

00:23:49.000 It's almost like he makes it up.

00:23:51.000 He's got very strong boxing.

00:23:52.000 He's got heavy hands.

00:23:53.000 He's very big.

00:23:54.000 The first person I fought at 185 were...

00:23:58.000 The guy that I weighed in against and the guy I got in the ring with were two very different sizes.

00:24:02.000 And that messed with me a little bit.

00:24:04.000 But he was running away.

00:24:06.000 Not running away, but he was trying to use his movement.

00:24:09.000 And every time I would try to throw, I just got really frustrated by him not engaging me.

00:24:14.000 And that was something I had to really learn from.

00:24:18.000 And going into the second fight, I was ready for that and prepared for it.

00:24:21.000 And I knew it was going to be an ugly fight.

00:24:22.000 It wasn't going to be...

00:24:24.000 The type of fight that I really like.

00:24:26.000 Simon is the type of guy I like to fight.

00:24:28.000 I like to be in essentially a war.

00:24:30.000 Let's fight.

00:24:31.000 Let's get it on.

00:24:33.000 Wayne was stepping backwards and putting his foot on the rope and jumping off the ropes and doing a lot of weird stuff that was just frustrating for me.

00:24:41.000 So I had to stay focused on that fight and then I got the W. I honestly didn't know who won the fight because neither one of us were really scoring, but after watching the video I see that I won the fight.

00:24:52.000 So I had about 30 minutes after the Simon fight, before I got up for Wayne.

00:24:57.000 But after the Wayne fight, it was like, go in the back, change your gloves, and there was like one fight between us.

00:25:01.000 I think it was like nine minutes before I was back in the ring again.

00:25:04.000 And I was walking to the ring, and I just kept thinking, like, how the fuck am I going to do it?

00:25:09.000 Like, what am I? This is... 0.72

00:25:10.000 I liked my call, and I'm like, this is fucking crazy. 0.98

00:25:12.000 And Nick was in the back, and he was just like, I don't know how the fuck you're going to do this, dude. 0.99

00:25:16.000 Like, my legs were just knotted all up and down. 0.96

00:25:18.000 My face hurt from headbutts and getting dropped when...

00:25:23.000 When Simon dropped me in the second round of the first fight, hit me right on the chin, and it didn't really affect me mentally.

00:25:29.000 I never got rocked by it.

00:25:31.000 My legs went out right away, and I felt all of the punch, like, in my neck.

00:25:34.000 It was like, pop, pop, in my neck.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, walking out to fight Artem, I was just really proud that I had the balls, I guess, to do what I was doing. 0.51

00:25:43.000 I was more in shock of what I was capable of.

00:25:47.000 But I really didn't feel like I had anything left to win the fight, you know?

00:25:52.000 But I was on my way to the ring.

00:25:53.000 I was just really proud.

00:25:54.000 That's some archaic shit those three fights in one night to get world-class fighters to fight three times in one night like I Went there and I talked to Kevin Kay who you know is one of the big wigs over at spike and I said this is awesome Well, you know the this event is awesome. 0.86

00:26:10.000 These fighters are awesome. 0.99

00:26:11.000 This is it's so cool You guys have world-class kickboxing go but fuck all this crazy fighting three fights in one night ago. 0.98

00:26:17.000 This is dangerous. 1.00

00:26:18.000 Yeah, this is not smart and If you guys lose somebody because of this, if someone dies, like a world-class guy dies because of this, you guys look like assholes. 0.99

00:26:26.000 Like, don't do this anymore. 0.98

00:26:27.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's that dramatic.

00:26:30.000 It could be if a guy gets through.

00:26:32.000 If you have a war, if a guy has a war with another guy and gets dropped three or four times in a fight, like, you know, some fucking George Foreman, Ron Lyle type shit, where they're just blasting each other back and forth, and one guy manages to just get through by the skin of his teeth, And then he gets head kicked an hour later by somebody else. 0.59

00:26:32.000 You're right, it could be. 0.59

00:26:49.000 That shit is no bueno. 1.00

00:26:50.000 And that is a possibility. 1.00

00:26:53.000 You fight, you should fight once in a night.

00:26:56.000 You're in camp, you're training for a long time.

00:26:59.000 Obviously you can do it, you did it, but if you had your choice to be at your best to fight a guy like Levin, You know, you want to be at your best. 0.63

00:27:09.000 You want to go through a full training camp, and you don't want to have two fights that fucking day, nine minutes before you fight one of the best kickboxers on earth.

00:27:19.000 And it's like, when you're going into that tournament, and both times that I fought Levin, your training camp is for that first fight, you know?

00:27:26.000 And then in the back of your mind somewhere, it's like, oh, well, if I get to the next round, it could be this guy, it could be that guy.

00:27:31.000 You kind of try to...

00:27:32.000 I think?

00:27:55.000 Same thing with the first time I fought Levin.

00:27:59.000 It was the second fight in the tournament that we fought.

00:28:01.000 Yeah, it would be really nice to see who is the best when they're on their game.

00:28:07.000 Yeah, that's true, right?

00:28:07.000 The first time you fought him was the second fight in a tournament, too.

00:28:11.000 That's so crazy, man.

00:28:13.000 And that tournament was nuts because I was supposed to fight Steve Wankling, which at the time was the number two guy in the world.

00:28:19.000 And then I knew that I would be fighting Levin in the finals because of his matchup.

00:28:22.000 Yeah.

00:28:23.000 Like six days before the fight, Wakelin pulled out of the fight and they gave me Kingo Shimizu, who I'd never heard of, who was like the Japanese champion who used to fight at heavyweight and was coming down to middleweight.

00:28:34.000 I had like six days to watch tape on him and try to figure out a strategy.

00:28:38.000 Well, Levin's such a slippery guy, too.

00:28:40.000 You were the first guy to ever catch him like that. 0.99

00:28:42.000 You had him really fucking hurt. 0.98

00:28:45.000 I thought he was done. 0.98

00:28:46.000 Kudos to that guy for getting through it because you cracked him, and then on the way down, you caught him with a knee.

00:28:53.000 I think that knee actually woke him up, to be honest.

00:28:55.000 The more I watched it, I was like, he was dropping.

00:28:57.000 He was out on the way down, and then my knee, I think it was like that second impact kind of brought him back.

00:29:03.000 Yeah, I couldn't believe he got it.

00:29:04.000 How weird is it that that's real?

00:29:05.000 Like, guys have been knocked back awake.

00:29:08.000 Right.

00:29:08.000 Like, knocked out, and then, boom, they get hit again, and then all of a sudden, they're back in the fight.

00:29:12.000 It's very strange.

00:29:13.000 We see it a lot in the UFC, where these guys are, you know, out, limp, and then right when the ref breaks them, they're going for a leg, or, you know, they're coming back, too, sort of.

00:29:22.000 Yeah, you see guys have their eyes roll back behind their head, and then they get hit again, and it's almost like they refocus, like the new jolt of electricity to their brain, like, clear!

00:29:31.000 You know, it's very weird.

00:29:34.000 That's another thing, like, with, uh, you've seen it with, like, Dan Henderson in some of those fights, you're like, oh, he's out, and then he comes back, or, like, uh, Chet Congo in his fight with, uh, oh my god, I can't remember his name.

00:29:44.000 Pat Barry.

00:29:46.000 He was gone and then came back and hit him.

00:29:49.000 That Pat Barry fight with Muikasa was hard to watch.

00:29:52.000 Yeah.

00:29:52.000 That was hard to watch.

00:29:54.000 Pat Barry is a great guy.

00:29:56.000 I love that dude.

00:29:57.000 He's such a fun dude.

00:30:00.000 But man, he's had some rough KOs over the last couple of years where he had never been KO'd, and then he gets KO'd by Congo, and then he gets KO'd by LeVar Johnson.

00:30:10.000 But the Muikasa one was hard to watch.

00:30:13.000 That was hard to watch.

00:30:14.000 That was a hell of a shot.

00:30:15.000 I really like that guy, Zach.

00:30:17.000 He seems like a really good guy.

00:30:19.000 Yeah.

00:30:19.000 He's cool.

00:30:20.000 I was happy for him.

00:30:21.000 He seems like a really good guy.

00:30:23.000 But he's another one.

00:30:25.000 He's not built like a fighter.

00:30:27.000 He's built like some crazy giant bodybuilder dude, which is great for a round and a half.

00:30:33.000 And then you get into the third round or fourth or fifth, you're fighting a championship fight.

00:30:38.000 You saw he fought two fights in one night in that last tournament.

00:30:43.000 Right.

00:30:43.000 And in the second turn, he just was a different guy.

00:30:46.000 He's just a different guy.

00:30:47.000 Whereas you can be the same guy for the first round as you can for the fifth round.

00:30:52.000 Those big guys, what we were saying earlier about cutting all that weight, when you have that much muscle to feed, there's definitely benefits.

00:31:01.000 You could bum rush a guy and you're just a machine for as long as you have oxygen.

00:31:06.000 But there's that weird middle balance where you're trying to find the comfortable middle ground between Being ridiculously strong and being an endurance athlete.

00:31:16.000 Yeah.

00:31:17.000 Terry Sokuju had issues with that, right?

00:31:19.000 When he first came on the scene in Pride, he was like, who the hell is this guy?

00:31:19.000 Yeah.

00:31:23.000 He knocks out Orona and knocks out Noguera.

00:31:25.000 Yeah.

00:31:26.000 The UFC, you could see he was really strong and then he would kind of fade in the later rounds. 0.96

00:31:30.000 I think he has mental issues, too. 0.95

00:31:31.000 Yeah.

00:31:32.000 I think there's a little bit of a confidence issue, too, when it comes to when you talk to the people that have trained with him and the people in his camp, you know.

00:31:38.000 Sometimes guys get through that.

00:31:40.000 Vitor went through a long stage where he had confidence issues and he got through that.

00:31:46.000 It's not insurmountable, but yeah, definitely the muscle, packing all that muscle is not good for you.

00:31:53.000 It doesn't help.

00:31:56.000 It helps a little.

00:31:58.000 It makes you really strong if you're a grappler.

00:32:00.000 It can certainly give you some advantage, but those guys, man, especially if you're built like that and you're trying to fight five rounds, you're taking a crazy gamble.

00:32:09.000 That gamble is, I'm going to get this guy out of there in the first couple of rounds.

00:32:12.000 And then you got a guy like we were talking about, Cain Velasquez.

00:32:15.000 Yeah.

00:32:15.000 He's huge, but has like ridiculous cardio, you know?

00:32:19.000 He's a freak. 0.98

00:32:21.000 Humans are just so weird, right?

00:32:22.000 They vary so much, man.

00:32:22.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 They vary so much.

00:32:25.000 You know, you get guys that like, you know, you remember Cabbage?

00:32:30.000 Back in the old days.

00:32:30.000 Yeah.

00:32:31.000 Oh man, I love cabbage.

00:32:32.000 Cabbage was awesome, dude.

00:32:33.000 That was awesome. 1.00

00:32:34.000 You could hit cabbage with a fucking tree. 1.00

00:32:36.000 You could pull a tree out of the roots and clang it off the side of his head and he would smile at you. 1.00

00:32:42.000 That guy could just take this unbelievable punch.

00:32:45.000 Yeah.

00:32:46.000 And that's just biological.

00:32:48.000 He's just born that way.

00:32:49.000 Yeah, but it's like, you know, somebody told me the other day I had a great chin or Nick had a great...

00:32:53.000 Somebody said something about having a great chin and I said, you know, they'll never say that about me.

00:32:56.000 When people start telling you you can take a great shot or you have a great chin, it means your defense is bad.

00:33:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:02.000 And it can only last so long.

00:33:02.000 Right.

00:33:04.000 And then, you know, you see it.

00:33:06.000 One guy can go, you know, take shots forever.

00:33:08.000 And then one fight later, he cannot take a shot like Chuck Liddell.

00:33:12.000 Chuck Liddell.

00:33:12.000 And Dan Henderson, this last fight against Mousasi.

00:33:15.000 Mousasi hit him with a punch that Dan would have eaten like a Tic Tac earlier in his career.

00:33:20.000 And his legs go.

00:33:21.000 It's just...

00:33:22.000 Everybody's got a certain amount of holes in their tissue.

00:33:24.000 Jermaine Taylor was like that, too.

00:33:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:26.000 After Kelly Pavlik knocked him out, he was a fantastic boxer, still had all the skills, but just couldn't take a punch anymore.

00:33:31.000 There's just a point where you reach, and it's also how you prepare, right?

00:33:37.000 How many shots are you taking in the gym?

00:33:40.000 How are you training?

00:33:42.000 Are you training smart defensively? 0.96

00:33:44.000 Some guys are just fucking full pedal to the metal offense. 0.97

00:33:48.000 That's how they train, that's how they think, that's how they fight. 0.89

00:33:50.000 And then when it comes to defensive skills, they might have an A-plus for an offense, but their defense might be like a C. Right.

00:33:58.000 You know, and then when it starts going their way and they clang up, they don't know what to do.

00:34:02.000 They have to think instead of just being instinctive and rolling with stuff because it's a natural part of your everyday thing.

00:34:09.000 That's a weird thing about fighting, man.

00:34:11.000 It's like how much emphasis, especially when it comes to MMA, how much emphasis to put on striking, how much emphasis to put on grappling, how much emphasis to put on your cardio and strength and conditioning.

00:34:22.000 How much to put on skills.

00:34:23.000 And I think that a huge part of that that's missing, I think, in a lot of people, or even just in this conversation, is like the mental aspect.

00:34:29.000 You know, you can train perfect.

00:34:31.000 You could have a decent weight cut.

00:34:33.000 You could do everything correctly.

00:34:35.000 And that two hours before the fight, from the time you check in to the time that you walk out in that ring, if you're not mentally strong enough and prepared for that, you just don't perform.

00:34:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:47.000 Was Anderson Silva that prepared for Nick to lay down and start heckling him?

00:34:52.000 Most certainly not.

00:34:55.000 I think for me, I hired a mind coach when I first started with Glory, and it's been a huge change in my career.

00:35:05.000 When you say a mind coach, that's interesting that you say it.

00:35:08.000 It's not a sports psychologist.

00:35:10.000 You called him a mind coach.

00:35:12.000 What do they do with you?

00:35:12.000 Yeah.

00:35:14.000 His name is Vinny Shoreman.

00:35:16.000 He's out of the UK. He's actually an announcer for...

00:35:19.000 He's probably one of the most active kickboxing announcers in the world.

00:35:23.000 He used to do K1 and it's Showtime.

00:35:26.000 He's been around kickboxing for a long, long time.

00:35:29.000 He does all kinds of really cool stuff with me.

00:35:31.000 I don't want to give away too many secrets, but...

00:35:35.000 He does hypnosis on me sometimes.

00:35:37.000 Does he live in the UK? He lives in the UK. And he'll hypnotize me through FaceTime over the phone.

00:35:43.000 I swear to God.

00:35:44.000 And the first time he did it, Like, he had been posting, and I had heard about him a little bit.

00:35:44.000 It happened.

00:35:50.000 And I had had some issues in the past where, like, my worst performances were not because I didn't train hard.

00:35:54.000 It was a mental thing, you know.

00:35:56.000 And the first time I started talking to him, he, like, wanted to hypnotize me.

00:36:01.000 And I'm like, okay, yeah, sure, you're going to hypnotize me.

00:36:04.000 And he's like, okay, I want you to sit down, and, you know, you're going to start feeling blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:36:08.000 And as he's talking, I'm like... 1.00

00:36:10.000 Just quietly, with my eyes closed, I'm like, this dude's so full of shit. 1.00

00:36:13.000 This is not gonna work. 1.00

00:36:14.000 This is not gonna work. 1.00

00:36:15.000 This guy's so dumb. 1.00

00:36:15.000 And the next thing I know, I'm like... 1.00

00:36:17.000 And, you know, it worked immediately.

00:36:21.000 And the little things that he told me to do, I immediately felt a lot better.

00:36:26.000 And I could see the difference.

00:36:26.000 Like, a lot better.

00:36:27.000 My coach could see the difference.

00:36:29.000 What's his background?

00:36:30.000 Is he a psychologist?

00:36:31.000 I'm not really sure how he got into that.

00:36:34.000 He does a lot of seminars and goes to a lot of things and studies a lot of stuff.

00:36:38.000 I don't really know if he went to school for that or what that is, but he's very, very good at what he does.

00:36:43.000 He works with Liam Harrison, he works with Jordan Watson, he works with Julie Kitchen, he worked with Andy Howes and most of the really high-level kickboxers overseas.

00:36:52.000 That is a very important point.

00:36:55.000 I don't know how many guys utilize sports psychologists.

00:36:59.000 I know Anderson did a bit for this fight after the Weidman fight.

00:37:02.000 I would think that would be really important for him.

00:37:04.000 Yeah.

00:37:05.000 Going into stuff like this.

00:37:06.000 A lot of guys, you bring it up and they can immediately see it as a disadvantage that you even think that you need help.

00:37:14.000 For me, there's so many things.

00:37:18.000 Fans don't understand the amount of pressure that a fighter is under going into a fight.

00:37:21.000 And then to go into a fight where the whole world thinks you're going to lose.

00:37:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:26.000 You have no chance.

00:37:27.000 Like me fighting Kalkali, I think I had nine professional fights.

00:37:30.000 And, you know, he knocked out Mighty Mo, and he was a Roger Dumner champion at over 200 fights.

00:37:36.000 Yeah, if you don't know who he is, he's a world-famous Thai boxer who was about 175, 180 pounds, fought Mighty Mo, who was close to 300 pounds at the time.

00:37:49.000 Head kicked him and it was just one of those ridiculous k1 matchups where they used to do in Japan They love freak shows. 1.00

00:37:55.000 They love to put together Noguera versus Bob Sapp or Bob Sapp's 375 pounds and you know, they put Bob Sapp versus even crazier They put Bob Sapp versus Manoa who's like 185. So you got a guy was ginky pseudo versus the Samoan the Samoan guy Genki Sudo also fought fucking the fat guy with the ball, 0.97

00:38:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:38:17.000 Butterbean. 0.99

00:38:18.000 Remember that?

00:38:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:19.000 He heel hooked Butterbean. 1.00

00:38:20.000 That shit was ridiculous. 1.00

00:38:21.000 We're talking about more than a 200-pound weight disadvantage. 1.00

00:38:24.000 And to go on the ground and him on top of you.

00:38:26.000 Yeah.

00:38:27.000 Unbelievable.

00:38:28.000 Yeah, I mean, they don't give a fuck in Japan. 0.99

00:38:31.000 They want to put on Godzilla vs. 0.99

00:38:33.000 That's what they want to do.

00:38:33.000 King Kong.

00:38:34.000 They want to have ridiculous match-ups.

00:38:36.000 And I want to watch Godzilla vs. 0.57

00:38:37.000 King Kong, you know?

00:38:38.000 I'm into that, you know?

00:38:39.000 I am too.

00:38:40.000 Sometimes they say, like, styles make fights, and like, sometimes it's, I mean, obviously you want to see who's the best of the best of the best, but sometimes you want to see these other, you know, these two might not be even in the top ten, but man, they're gonna fucking get down, you know?

00:38:51.000 Those are the fights I want to see.

00:38:52.000 Yeah, I mean, look, Bob Sapp versus Noguera, to me, still, is one of my favorite all-time fights.

00:38:58.000 And the fact he got pile-drived in the first round, which you never see in MMA, it's kind of illegal.

00:39:03.000 It's illegal in the U.S., at least.

00:39:05.000 Speaking of illegal, can we talk about this?

00:39:08.000 Joe, I think we can talk about this.

00:39:09.000 Sure.

00:39:10.000 What's up with all these guys smashing, trying to stomp kick like Anderson did to Nick?

00:39:14.000 Kicking the knees?

00:39:15.000 Yeah.

00:39:16.000 I just think it's a little shady that your guy comes off with such a catastrophic injury and the first thing he does is start stomping away at somebody else's kneecap in a fight.

00:39:24.000 Did you see the fight with Miguel Torres, the kickboxing fight, the recent fight?

00:39:29.000 I did.

00:39:31.000 Jamie, pull this up.

00:39:32.000 Miguel Torres knee destroyed.

00:39:37.000 You'll find it.

00:39:38.000 Or like legacy kickboxing.

00:39:39.000 Yeah, it's probably GIF. You can find the GIF file of it.

00:39:43.000 It's fucking horrendous. 0.99

00:39:44.000 It's the worst one I've ever seen. 0.99

00:39:46.000 He does the oblique kick and he does it right to the knee on the side of his knee.

00:39:52.000 You see it get destroyed.

00:39:55.000 I mean...

00:39:56.000 I just don't think that's...

00:39:58.000 I don't think it should be legal.

00:40:00.000 I just don't think it should be...

00:40:01.000 I'm trying to knock somebody out.

00:40:02.000 I'm not trying to actually kill them and finish their career, but I think if you start messing around...

00:40:07.000 Because I've had two knee surgeries and had to come back from it.

00:40:09.000 It's just...

00:40:10.000 It bothers me to see somebody intentionally try to attack a knee joint.

00:40:14.000 But what do you think about heel hooks?

00:40:16.000 What about heel hooks?

00:40:19.000 If you see a guy like Husamar Pajares, who's a heel hook specialist.

00:40:23.000 I don't necessarily have a problem with the heel hook.

00:40:25.000 I have a problem with A guy that holds onto the heel hook after you tap multiple times and then intentionally rips your leg off.

00:40:31.000 Which he's done.

00:40:32.000 Which he really does.

00:40:33.000 I don't really care for that.

00:40:35.000 Yeah, the heel hooks are a particularly devastating one to hang onto.

00:40:39.000 If you hang onto a choke, you put the guy out.

00:40:41.000 With folks who don't...

00:40:45.000 It's not that bad to get choked unconscious.

00:40:47.000 I know it seems like it would be really bad, but it really is just like it shuts your brain off and then turns your brain back on again.

00:40:53.000 The best way to describe it is like a garden hose.

00:40:55.000 You pinch a garden hose, it stops the water, and then you let it go, and the water goes flowing through it.

00:41:00.000 It's not nearly as bad as getting knocked out.

00:41:03.000 So holding on to a choke and putting a guy unconscious, it's really not that big a deal.

00:41:08.000 But holding on to a heel hook, you tear the ligaments apart, and you're talking about a guy who's going to go through six months of rehab, surgery, the whole deal, and then it might not ever be the same.

00:41:18.000 Yeah, you're taking away a guy's livelihood for over a year.

00:41:21.000 Most likely a year.

00:41:22.000 Just to what?

00:41:23.000 You already got him to tap or whatever.

00:41:25.000 I just don't particularly...

00:41:27.000 Well, Pajares is kind of crazy. 0.99

00:41:29.000 There's a little bit of a mental issue. 0.98

00:41:33.000 You know about his childhood, right?

00:41:35.000 His whole story?

00:41:37.000 It's really heart-wrenching.

00:41:38.000 I mean, he was working full-time from the time he was a little boy in a farm.

00:41:44.000 You know that giant scar that he has on his chest?

00:41:46.000 Right.

00:41:46.000 He got that when he was working and he had to crazy glue it together because they had no money for food.

00:41:52.000 They had no money for the doctor.

00:41:55.000 He used to eat pig slop because he had no food.

00:41:58.000 He would eat the food that they would feed pigs.

00:42:02.000 It's horrific. 1.00

00:42:03.000 So this guy, he went through some really horrendous shit as a child in rural Brazil. 0.99

00:42:10.000 You know, in intense poverty. 0.99

00:42:13.000 So I think it's hard to get through that unscathed.

00:42:17.000 Right.

00:42:17.000 And he most certainly hasn't.

00:42:18.000 So I think every fight that he has, man, he's fucking fighting for his life. 0.98

00:42:22.000 And if he gets a hold of your leg, he could see this... 0.99

00:42:22.000 Right. 0.99

00:42:26.000 Ugh, this sucks. 0.99

00:42:27.000 What's that? 0.98

00:42:28.000 It's loading up.

00:42:30.000 Yeah, look at this.

00:42:31.000 I mean, he caught it sideways, too.

00:42:33.000 Miguel was heavy on the front leg, and he almost kind of, like, stepped in sideways...

00:42:39.000 Oh, the dude caught it like just in the outside.

00:42:43.000 Look at that.

00:42:43.000 Oh my goodness.

00:42:46.000 See, I throw like a similar kick to that where I take the front of my foot and it's almost like a slap kick and I do it to the shin bone.

00:42:53.000 But it's not to injure him, it's to stop his forward momentum.

00:42:57.000 A lot of times when I do that, their head comes forward and I can throw something.

00:43:00.000 But to go directly on the knee joint, I mean, that guy threw that intentionally to do that.

00:43:04.000 I don't think there's any question that he was trying to buckle his knee like that.

00:43:07.000 Yeah, he's attacking the knee.

00:43:09.000 And look at me.

00:43:10.000 He's coming down.

00:43:11.000 Yeah, well, it's actually Miguel was stepping forward, so his knee was off the mat as it landed.

00:43:17.000 It was kind of touching, but he was coming forward, and the guy caught.

00:43:22.000 Yeah, see?

00:43:23.000 His knee came up.

00:43:24.000 And he's coming forward and then it just went down on it and just wrenched it across.

00:43:28.000 Oh, it's horrible to watch.

00:43:30.000 Oh! 0.60

00:43:31.000 And that's, you're out for a year.

00:43:33.000 Yeah.

00:43:34.000 And it might not ever be the same again.

00:43:36.000 If you come back.

00:43:37.000 They're doing this new thing now, man, where they're 3D mapping your meniscus.

00:43:42.000 They're taking this thing that they've created.

00:43:46.000 It's like a scaffolding.

00:43:47.000 They 3D map this scaffolding.

00:43:49.000 They insert it where your meniscus is.

00:43:51.000 And it has proteins in it, and your body builds your own meniscus on it.

00:43:56.000 That's awesome.

00:43:57.000 So you're going to be able to rebuild your meniscus.

00:43:59.000 That's awesome.

00:43:59.000 It's incredible.

00:43:59.000 For years, that's been the thing they can't change.

00:44:02.000 So if you tear your meniscus, you're screwed. 0.99

00:44:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:44:04.000 Meniscus.

00:44:05.000 That's really good that they can do that.

00:44:06.000 Well, cartilage, too.

00:44:07.000 Cartilage.

00:44:08.000 They've started to do that with stem cells.

00:44:10.000 They've started to inject stem cells into the area where people are missing cartilage, and cartilage regrows, which is incredible.

00:44:16.000 Yeah, that's awesome. 0.97

00:44:17.000 Yeah, they're doing some cool shit.

00:44:18.000 They did PRP stuff too. 0.89

00:44:20.000 When we were with my knee surgery, they were thinking about doing that with mine.

00:44:24.000 They didn't do it.

00:44:25.000 Platelet-rich plasma is really cool.

00:44:27.000 There's another thing that I've been doing called Regenikine.

00:44:30.000 And Regenikine is amazing.

00:44:32.000 That's the stuff that was invented by this guy...

00:44:35.000 I forget his name, but he's in Germany.

00:44:39.000 And he created this procedure where you take the blood, they pull it out, like a lot of blood, and then they spin it in a centrifuge and heat it up.

00:44:48.000 And when they heat it up, it takes the blood, and the blood reacts to the heat as if you have a fever.

00:44:55.000 And it creates this amazing anti-inflammatory response.

00:44:59.000 It's this yellow serum.

00:45:00.000 They pull this yellow serum out, and then they inject it directly into any area where you have an injury.

00:45:05.000 And it's like platelet-rich plasma times 100. It's amazing.

00:45:11.000 That makes sense.

00:45:12.000 It's like the cold laser therapy, like light therapy.

00:45:15.000 That's what they do with me a lot.

00:45:17.000 A therapy.

00:45:17.000 Yeah.

00:45:18.000 You're...

00:45:19.000 Essentially, the light or the heat triggers your body to send more blood and nutrients and heal itself.

00:45:26.000 So you're just straight heating that stuff up and injecting it back in you, huh?

00:45:30.000 Yeah, it's amazing, man.

00:45:31.000 It's amazing.

00:45:32.000 I've had it done on my knee, my neck, my back, my elbow, my shoulder.

00:45:37.000 It's incredible. 0.99

00:45:38.000 Every time some shit's fucked up on me, I just go right down there and get shot up. 0.99

00:45:42.000 And you feel the difference right away? 1.00

00:45:43.000 Yeah, man. 0.98

00:45:44.000 My knee was fucking with me. 0.91

00:45:45.000 I've had three knee surgeries. 0.99

00:45:47.000 And my knee was fucking with me for like the last couple years. 0.99

00:45:50.000 I was like, man, I might have to get this fucking thing scoped again. 0.99

00:45:52.000 And I get it shot up like five months ago. 0.95

00:45:56.000 Nothing.

00:45:57.000 Squats, kickboxing, nothing. 0.99

00:45:59.000 Just never fucks with me. 0.99

00:46:00.000 Just never fucks with me anymore. 0.99

00:46:02.000 It's weird. 0.99

00:46:03.000 So they can do incredible shit now with medicine and science. 0.99

00:46:03.000 It's amazing. 0.99

00:46:06.000 Thank God there's so many eggheads out there that are just fucking pounding on the keyboards and, you know, doing in the lab and trying to re-engineer human beings. 0.97

00:46:14.000 It's amazing. 0.99

00:46:15.000 Well, it's like what Anderson and Tyrone Spong, that break, like, 15 years ago, they would have, like, amputated your leg.

00:46:22.000 Like, it would have just been, that would have been that.

00:46:23.000 Really?

00:46:24.000 Yeah, somebody was telling me that.

00:46:25.000 They used to amputate legs for that kind of break?

00:46:27.000 Yeah, if the leg snapped and, like, the, yeah, they said they would amputate.

00:46:32.000 What?

00:46:33.000 Yeah.

00:46:33.000 Really?

00:46:34.000 Because of the something about the tissue or something.

00:46:37.000 Just 15 years ago?

00:46:38.000 Something like that, yeah.

00:46:40.000 That's hard to believe.

00:46:41.000 Don't quote me on that, but that's what I heard.

00:46:43.000 Somebody might have lied to you.

00:46:44.000 Somebody probably lied to me.

00:46:45.000 I'm pretty gullible.

00:46:46.000 Well, they probably used to have to...

00:46:48.000 Joe might be lying to us all right now about this gold stuff they're re-injecting.

00:46:52.000 No, man.

00:46:52.000 I don't know.

00:46:54.000 Dana White is the one who told me about it.

00:46:56.000 He had it done for his Meniere's disease. 0.99

00:46:58.000 Meniere's disease is something you have in the inner ear, and it was fucked with him his whole life. 0.96

00:47:03.000 He had surgery to try to fix it, and he got shot up with the Regenacan and just bang, gone. 0.93

00:47:10.000 Just goes away.

00:47:11.000 I wonder if that would help Nick.

00:47:12.000 Nick...

00:47:13.000 Heard his left elbow, like, hyperextended his left elbow when we were training, like, maybe three or four weeks before the fight, and it really started messing with him, like, the week before the fight.

00:47:23.000 And we were in Vegas, and his manager actually called Dana to find out, you know, what doctor or whatever to go to to get him a cortisone shot into his elbow.

00:47:33.000 Mm-hmm.

00:47:34.000 And, like, I mean, Nick won't even take ibuprofen.

00:47:37.000 I was like, dude, take some ibuprofen.

00:47:39.000 Why won't he take ibuprofen?

00:47:40.000 I don't know.

00:47:40.000 I think it was about, he used to cut really easily back in the day.

00:47:46.000 Ibuprofen's like a blood thinner sort of thing or something that makes him bleed more or whatnot.

00:47:51.000 But yeah, he was having, we were walking around the hotel and if his arm would lock out, he would have to wait.

00:47:57.000 A second for it to, like, click back.

00:47:59.000 Jesus Christ.

00:48:00.000 Yeah, and then you're going into a fight where your boxing is your strong suit and you don't feel really comfortable throwing your left hand. 0.98

00:48:06.000 That's ridiculous.

00:48:07.000 But, yeah, I wonder if that gold stuff would have helped. 0.80

00:48:11.000 Yeah, I guarantee you.

00:48:12.000 He landed some good shots with it, so.

00:48:14.000 He definitely did.

00:48:15.000 Well, once that adrenaline starts flowing.

00:48:16.000 Yeah, that's what I was telling him.

00:48:18.000 Like, you're not going to think about that when you're out there, you know.

00:48:20.000 Yeah.

00:48:21.000 The Regina Keene thing, that's all the rage. 1.00

00:48:24.000 All the basketball players, Kobe Bryant gets it done.

00:48:26.000 All these different guys get it done.

00:48:27.000 Guys were flying over to Germany to do it.

00:48:30.000 But now they have an office in Santa Monica, and I think they have an office in Dallas, I think, as well.

00:48:35.000 They have a couple of them that they're opening up.

00:48:37.000 They might be opening up one in Vegas, but they're opening up all over the country because the response is amazing.

00:48:42.000 That's nuts.

00:48:43.000 Yeah, we live in a weird time.

00:48:45.000 Science is amazing.

00:48:46.000 It's amazing.

00:48:46.000 It really is.

00:48:47.000 I just got done today.

00:48:48.000 I was doing cryotherapy.

00:48:50.000 I haven't done it.

00:48:50.000 Have you done that yet?

00:48:51.000 I wanted to go to one, especially after the last man standing tournament.

00:48:54.000 My entire body was messed up.

00:48:56.000 I had this...

00:48:57.000 It still kind of messes with me a little bit now.

00:48:59.000 But somehow along the line of the three fights, I got hit in the chest with something.

00:49:04.000 I want to say it was probably Simon with one of those knees.

00:49:07.000 But my whole body hurt.

00:49:08.000 And then as...

00:49:09.000 The swelling and everything started going down. 0.99

00:49:11.000 My fucking chest just started killing me. 0.99

00:49:13.000 Like your sternum? 1.00

00:49:14.000 Yeah, and it was like...

00:49:15.000 Then I noticed I had this ball.

00:49:17.000 It was literally the size of a tennis ball on my chest.

00:49:21.000 It still swells up a little bit now.

00:49:23.000 But it swelled up so much that it pinched off all the nerves in my chest.

00:49:26.000 And then my arm would...

00:49:28.000 I'd have, like, stingers all the way down my arm.

00:49:31.000 And I'd wake up, I mean, for the first, like, week or two after the fight, I was, like, waking up in the middle of the night, like, shaking.

00:49:37.000 I would get a fever because I was in so much pain from this nerve stuff.

00:49:40.000 And I guess I got, like, multiple x-rays.

00:49:43.000 I thought my sternum was broken.

00:49:44.000 Couldn't figure it out.

00:49:45.000 There was no break.

00:49:47.000 And they said it was basically like, you know, you see these guys where they get hit in the face or hit in the head and they get these hematomas on their head.

00:49:53.000 And it's just blood and crap that's stuck between the skin and the bone.

00:49:58.000 Well, mine was, I guess, inside of the cartilage of my rib or whatever.

00:50:01.000 And, you know, even for the Melbourne fight when I would be training jiu-jitsu or I'd be working on my chokes or somebody puts their weight on my chest, like, it would swell up afterwards.

00:50:10.000 So I was thinking ibuprofen by, like, the handful there for a minute.

00:50:13.000 But it's doing a lot better now.

00:50:15.000 Yeah, the cryotherapy probably helped out a little bit, but I think that's just one of those things that's going to heal, too.

00:50:20.000 The cryotherapy is awesome for recovery.

00:50:22.000 That's what it's amazing for.

00:50:22.000 Yeah.

00:50:23.000 I do ice baths.

00:50:24.000 I mean, I think.

00:50:25.000 The cryotherapy is a lot shorter.

00:50:26.000 It seems like a lot cooler.

00:50:28.000 A lot shorter and apparently a lot more effective because you're going 250 degrees below zero for three minutes.

00:50:33.000 Then you get out, you get on the elliptical machine, you warm your body back up, and then boom, right back in for another three minutes.

00:50:38.000 What's that feeling?

00:50:39.000 Dude, it feels amazing. 0.93

00:50:40.000 You get out of there, you feel like you could fucking jump over the moon. 0.94

00:50:43.000 Really? 0.98

00:50:44.000 It's amazing.

00:50:45.000 It's wild. 1.00

00:50:47.000 If you could take that in a pill form, people would just be fucking chewing on them all day. 0.99

00:50:52.000 Because most people are scared of the feeling, like, fucking 250 degrees. 0.99

00:50:56.000 It's really not that bad. 0.97

00:50:57.000 It's really not.

00:50:58.000 You just kind of stand there.

00:50:59.000 I mean, I don't even freak out.

00:51:00.000 I just kind of move around a little. 0.88

00:51:02.000 It hurts my nipples, so I cover my nipples up when I do it. 0.86

00:51:05.000 I don't know why. 0.98

00:51:05.000 I don't want my nipples to fall off. 0.98

00:51:07.000 Not that I use them or anything. 0.98

00:51:08.000 They're pretty numb anyway.

00:51:09.000 But that's the only thing that starts to feel really bad.

00:51:13.000 Your legs get super cold towards the end, but it's just three minutes.

00:51:17.000 You just kind of deal with it for three minutes.

00:51:19.000 And then you get out, and as soon as you get out, you're like, woo-hoo-hoo!

00:51:23.000 As soon as your body realizes it's back in room temperature... 1.00

00:51:26.000 Well, the blood, apparently, the science behind it is your body thinks this motherfucker's going to die. 0.99

00:51:26.000 You feel all rejuvenated. 0.99

00:51:32.000 Somebody just dropped you off at the top of the world, and it's zero degrees below zero, and you're going to die within moments.

00:51:38.000 So it pours all the blood to your...

00:51:40.000 Yeah, to your organs try to protect your organs and then once you get back to room temperature it pushes it all out and it creates this amazing anti-inflammatory effect like all the soreness that you have and just it just does a weird thing to your body but the energy that you get out of it I don't know I don't know if it's an adrenaline rush if your body realizes like hey we're not gonna die life is beautiful look the Sun is shining I'm alive you know it's like one of those things where they say You don't really appreciate peace unless you've experienced war.

00:52:10.000 You don't appreciate love unless you experience hate. 0.99

00:52:12.000 You don't know how beautiful it is to be able to walk down the street and not freeze your dick off until you're inside one of those booths. 0.99

00:52:19.000 But there's a lot of physical effects. 0.99

00:52:21.000 Yeah, I gotta try that.

00:52:22.000 That sounds really cool.

00:52:23.000 You can research it online, like all the different, like what they know about the actual biochemical effect that it has on your body.

00:52:31.000 People swear by it.

00:52:32.000 Again, basketball players, MMA fighters, like Alan Joban, who's one of our guys at Tenth Planet, he's in there every day.

00:52:39.000 Eddie Bravo does it every day.

00:52:41.000 It's amazing.

00:52:42.000 When he was training for the Hoyler fight, too, especially, he was in there every day.

00:52:45.000 It's amazing.

00:52:47.000 It just makes you recover quicker, but the feeling you get out of it, I love the best.

00:52:52.000 I walk out of there, it's like your whole body feels alive.

00:52:55.000 It's wild.

00:52:56.000 I'll take you.

00:52:57.000 When you come back, let me know.

00:52:58.000 I'll take you down there.

00:52:59.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:53:00.000 Introduce you to those guys.

00:53:01.000 There's a lot of cool science, actually, with cold therapy.

00:53:05.000 After the last man standing tournament I was thinking about doing, I just didn't...

00:53:09.000 I don't know why I didn't end up doing it, but Nike makes a cooling vest that...

00:53:14.000 It's basically like it has all these pockets in it and it keeps you like really cool.

00:53:21.000 So I was thinking after the fight of putting that on because I found out that like 75% again don't quote me on these numbers but 75% of the Your energy system is spent on temperature regulation.

00:53:33.000 So if you had to have multiple fights in one night, how much time are you wasting sitting in the back sweating and you're wasting energy that you need later on in the fight?

00:53:42.000 So we were thinking about trying to use that cold pack or those cooling vests.

00:53:48.000 I think Nike came out with it for the Beijing Olympics.

00:53:51.000 That's a great, you have two fights this weekend?

00:53:53.000 No, I just have one fight.

00:53:54.000 This is one.

00:53:54.000 Beautiful.

00:53:55.000 Which honestly seems like, you know, my coach is like, oh, you know, my cardio is not quite as good as I thought it was.

00:53:59.000 And he's like, you only got to fight once.

00:54:01.000 I was like, oh, all right, yeah.

00:54:02.000 It's hard to compare because when you, you know, you get in such, I mean, I was in phenomenal shape for that, for that last man standing tournament.

00:54:09.000 I think I had like, we found out about that fight, I think four or five months in advance and I was going pretty hard for it the whole time.

00:54:16.000 And, uh, When you have a camp like that, who structures your camp?

00:54:21.000 Who structures how much running you do, how much strength and conditioning you do, how much kickboxing, how much striking on the pads?

00:54:28.000 How do you structure your workouts?

00:54:31.000 My coach would do that.

00:54:33.000 Yeah, with that camp, it was like, okay.

00:54:36.000 Because we just came back from the Wayne Barrett fight where he just seemed like a lot bigger than me.

00:54:40.000 So I was like, you know, I was fighting at 175 before I signed with Glory.

00:54:44.000 And then when I went to Glory, it was automatically up to like 187 and 186. And, you know, the Glory 10 tournament, Artem Levin wasn't a very big guy.

00:54:53.000 And Kingo Shimizu worked out really well for me.

00:54:55.000 So I thought I was good at that size.

00:54:56.000 And then with Wayne Barrett, he was just so massive.

00:54:59.000 Like, he's just a big guy, you know?

00:55:01.000 And...

00:55:02.000 So I wanted to put on some muscles, so we did a lot of strength and conditioning.

00:55:05.000 I was doing, like, every day, sometimes twice a day, I was going to LA Fitness with my buddy and doing, like, strictly bodybuilding stuff.

00:55:15.000 No cardio, just...

00:55:17.000 I was taking, I think it's...

00:55:19.000 I was shooting for like 3500 calories a day, which is just...

00:55:22.000 I would feel lethargic and just exhausted all the time.

00:55:26.000 And I did that for a few months.

00:55:28.000 I think I got up to about 215, which was really big for me at the time.

00:55:33.000 And then the last...

00:55:36.000 I think it was probably the last five weeks I stopped with the strength and conditioning and was just focused on speed and trying to get used to that size that I was.

00:55:44.000 And I trimmed down quite a bit, but it was like build the muscle, bulk up, and then get fast and loose and then go into the tournament.

00:55:51.000 And then my cardio and my speed and everything kind of comes in the last four weeks.

00:55:55.000 Yeah, some guys, there's a lot of guys who like to do that for MMA. Like, they take off from a fight, and then once they're done, or they get out of camp, before they, say if they know they have a fight four or five months away, they'll do nothing but strength and conditioning.

00:56:07.000 No fight training, no sparring, you know, no getting hit, no grappling.

00:56:11.000 They're just lifting weights and just, like, jumping boxes and doing all kinds of plyos and shit like that.

00:56:17.000 That was the first time I had ever done that, that I really focused on the strength and conditioning stuff.

00:56:22.000 And then when I did start, um, When I stopped with that and I started doing the runs and stuff, Nick was actually in town and we went for a long run at Venice Beach.

00:56:32.000 We were over at Rhonda's house that day and we went for this long run.

00:56:35.000 And we did a six mile run.

00:56:36.000 I felt really good.

00:56:37.000 And then I was like, hey, let's hit these sprints on the way back.

00:56:40.000 And there's a bathroom and then it's like 200 yards and you have another bathroom or whatever.

00:56:44.000 And he's like, okay, we'll run to the next bathroom we'll sprint.

00:56:49.000 I was just in shock at how many gears I had.

00:56:52.000 I never ran that fast ever in my whole life.

00:56:55.000 It was the difference of that time that I had bulked up and really worked on the strength conditioning.

00:57:03.000 The period of cutting down and getting lean and getting fast again and I was just very very explosive and it was a really good sign.

00:57:09.000 I smoked Nick, yeah.

00:57:11.000 If you listen to this Nick, I beat you.

00:57:14.000 So that's interesting.

00:57:16.000 So that's a direct result of all the weightlifting and all the putting on muscle and strength.

00:57:21.000 That was the first time I really noticed like a big difference because I always really hit hard.

00:57:25.000 I mean I think I've always hit really hard.

00:57:27.000 But that was something I really noticed.

00:57:29.000 My explosiveness out of my legs was definitely a lot better.

00:57:33.000 It's weird that for fighters, it seems like every training camp is almost like a science project.

00:57:39.000 You're trying to figure out what is the right mixture.

00:57:42.000 And also, back to the mental thing, I think that that's...

00:57:45.000 I always say I'm trying to get the tip of an arrow.

00:57:49.000 Each fight, I get kind of closer to that, and then you...

00:57:49.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:53.000 You make a mistake or whatever.

00:57:54.000 I'm trying to get to this pinnacle of mentally focused.

00:57:58.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:57:58.000 Right.

00:57:58.000 The perfect spot.

00:57:59.000 The perfect spot.

00:58:01.000 Do I get too pumped up before I fight?

00:58:01.000 Perfect edge.

00:58:04.000 Was I flat?

00:58:04.000 Was I too cold?

00:58:05.000 Was I thinking about the right things?

00:58:08.000 That's what my mind coach really helps me.

00:58:10.000 There's so many things going on in my head, and he just tells me the right things to think.

00:58:14.000 A lot of it is also the way you talk to yourself or about yourself, the way you describe yourself.

00:58:20.000 I used to say stuff like, I have really good punches, but my kicks aren't that good.

00:58:25.000 He told me, hey, you've got to stop saying that stuff.

00:58:28.000 I'm like, well, my kicks really aren't that good.

00:58:30.000 You kind of self-sabotage yourself.

00:58:34.000 You only allow yourself to get as good as you talk about yourself.

00:58:38.000 That makes sense at all.

00:58:39.000 Yeah.

00:58:39.000 You define.

00:58:40.000 You define yourself.

00:58:41.000 That's why I call it mind coaching instead of psychological psychologist or whatever.

00:58:47.000 Right.

00:58:48.000 Just like my coach tells me, hey, you're dropping your hands or you're doing this or you're doing that or you need to focus on this, this, and this.

00:58:54.000 My mind coach is doing the same thing.

00:58:55.000 And I think that the...

00:58:58.000 I don't know.

00:58:58.000 I think everything has really come...

00:59:00.000 The stars, so to speak, have all kind of aligned for me in the last couple of years.

00:59:06.000 You know, I feel like I'm at an age now.

00:59:09.000 I'm just turning 31. Although, I guess I can't change my Wikipedia page now.

00:59:13.000 What does it say?

00:59:14.000 It says I'm 31. I was going to change it to, like, 26. Don't do it.

00:59:19.000 It's a slippery slope.

00:59:20.000 Yeah, right.

00:59:20.000 I know guys that are 40-something.

00:59:22.000 They try to say they're 30. Yeah.

00:59:24.000 It's fucking ridiculous. 0.99

00:59:25.000 But I think I've reached an age in my career where I'm a lot more mature. 0.99

00:59:30.000 I'm a lot better athlete.

00:59:31.000 Yeah.

00:59:32.000 It seems like everything's kind of lining up now and I have the right coaches behind me.

00:59:35.000 I've been with my coach, Mark Camaro, since I was fighting in amateur fights.

00:59:40.000 He's taken me throughout my whole career.

00:59:42.000 That's great.

00:59:43.000 That's a guy who knows you really well then.

00:59:44.000 You train at The Yard in LA? Where is The Yard?

00:59:48.000 It's in Lincoln Heights right now.

00:59:50.000 It's right outside.

00:59:50.000 It's on Avenue 26. It's right where the 5 and the 110 meet.

00:59:54.000 So it's like downtown area?

00:59:56.000 Yeah, it's basically downtown. 0.98

00:59:57.000 That's a bitch to get to, isn't it? 1.00

00:59:59.000 The fucking traffic sucks. 1.00

01:00:00.000 Well, I kind of live in that general area. 1.00

01:00:03.000 I live in Alhambra, South Pasadena area, so it's not too bad for me.

01:00:06.000 I was living in downtown for a long time, and then my son started going to schools, and I was like, you know, I'd rather have him in a little better school system.

01:00:14.000 Yeah.

01:00:15.000 The best school system we could...

01:00:16.000 The best school system, I think, is like Orange County, but we couldn't quite...

01:00:21.000 It didn't quite work out, but the best one we could find was Alhambra, which is like South Pasadena.

01:00:25.000 Pasadena's nice.

01:00:26.000 It's a nice area.

01:00:27.000 This is a quiet area, man.

01:00:28.000 Yeah.

01:00:28.000 I love it there.

01:00:29.000 Pasadena was like apparently back in the day... 0.93

01:00:31.000 When Hollywood was sort of first created in the 20s or whatever, the stars would fucking booze it up and do blow in the Hollywood Hills. 0.99

01:00:40.000 And the producers are like, let me get the fuck out of here. 0.98

01:00:42.000 And then they set up shop in Pasadena. 0.87

01:00:44.000 That's why if you go by Pasadena, there's these giant estates and beautiful houses.

01:00:50.000 God, there's some amazing houses in Pasadena. 0.99

01:00:52.000 I fucking love Pasadena. 0.97

01:00:54.000 Yeah, that's nice. 0.98

01:00:55.000 There's a gym.

01:00:57.000 Isn't there like a Sit Yotong? 0.99

01:00:58.000 Yeah, Sit Yotong is in Pasadena. 0.85

01:01:00.000 It's a good kickboxing gym.

01:01:02.000 It's been around for a long time.

01:01:03.000 Muay Thai.

01:01:04.000 Yeah, LA's a weird spot where you would think there'd be a lot more like top-level MMA gyms in this area than there are.

01:01:11.000 Yeah, there really is a...

01:01:13.000 You know, there wasn't a whole lot.

01:01:15.000 In Hollywood, it was like Legends was like the only MMA gym for a long, long time.

01:01:19.000 Yeah.

01:01:21.000 Legends went under, and then, you know, you've got some stuff down in Orange County, of course, you got Reign, you got Kings, but...

01:01:28.000 Timoyama.

01:01:28.000 Yeah, Timoyama, but there's no, like...

01:01:31.000 Jackson's MMA where you got like world champions training in one facility that's like this center spot It's almost seems like like for a lot of places like it might actually be better to be in a small town and bring the guys in and then of course you're gonna have less Distractions and less bullshit if that happens you're right,

01:01:49.000 but LA doesn't have a lot of great kickboxing either There's not a lot of different spots.

01:01:52.000 I mean for as many people as there are 20 million people Yeah, when I moved out here from Ohio to pursue kickboxing, it was because Los Angeles and California was the center for kickboxing in this country.

01:02:08.000 It was the only place when I moved out here when I was 19. They were the only ones putting on sanctioned Muay Thai fights.

01:02:17.000 It was Dennis Warner and Vute Promotions.

01:02:20.000 But there's really good gyms in Van Nuys.

01:02:24.000 There's a really good gym in North Hollywood.

01:02:27.000 Two or three in North Hollywood.

01:02:29.000 Santa Clarita's got some really good gyms.

01:02:32.000 I think that there's a lot of Muay Thai here in Southern California.

01:02:38.000 When I was fighting amateurs and smokers in the smaller shows here in California, the amateur was a very high level.

01:02:48.000 You know, very high level.

01:02:51.000 I was 23 and one as an amateur and most of those were smokers, just local amateur fights before I went pro.

01:03:00.000 There's so many jiu-jitsu schools here. 0.93

01:03:03.000 That's what's ridiculous. 0.83

01:03:04.000 Jiu-jitsu is crazy here, right? 0.78

01:03:05.000 When you compare jiu-jitsu to all the other martial arts, it's almost like 10 to 1. It's like how many jiu-jitsu gyms.

01:03:12.000 World-class.

01:03:14.000 Hickson's here.

01:03:15.000 Krohn's here.

01:03:16.000 Jean-Jacques Machado's got two gyms here.

01:03:18.000 Hegan's got a gym here.

01:03:19.000 It's like on and on and on.

01:03:20.000 You can keep going over and over and over. 0.98

01:03:22.000 There's so many fucking world-class jiu-jitsu schools here. 0.99

01:03:25.000 Because Brazilians, they like the sun. 0.99

01:03:27.000 They want to be near the beach.

01:03:28.000 It's like...

01:03:30.000 This is the spot they gravitate to.

01:03:32.000 You can't disagree with them.

01:03:33.000 Well, it's amazing how much that's changed in this country.

01:03:33.000 Yeah.

01:03:36.000 You know, when I first started training in 96, there was a small handful of black belts in the country.

01:03:42.000 There's just not that many, like, world-class places to train.

01:03:45.000 Now they're everywhere.

01:03:46.000 Every city you go to, there's a legit black belt that's teaching classes. 0.99

01:03:50.000 And, you know, there's places that have, you know, Henzo's got like 500-plus students in New York City.

01:03:55.000 New York City is another hotbed.

01:03:58.000 There's Henzo and Marcelo Garcia and on and on and on.

01:04:02.000 You can just keep going.

01:04:03.000 There's just so many gems there.

01:04:04.000 But when it comes to a place where you have a legit world-class MMA training facility, like an AKA, You know, there's still not that many of them.

01:04:17.000 Right.

01:04:17.000 You know, and especially when you look at California, you would think, man, you know, this is, like, so much kickboxing, so much jiu-jitsu, so much MMA, like, you know, or so much, you know, so many fighters.

01:04:29.000 Right.

01:04:29.000 But not, like, one, like, big central spot.

01:04:32.000 Mm-hmm.

01:04:33.000 And then the ones that it's, like, almost, like, you know, like, Timo Yama's got, like, Ian, and most of their team is a lot smaller.

01:04:40.000 Mm-hmm.

01:04:40.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:41.000 I was going there for a long time, and I used to train with Shane Del Rosario.

01:04:44.000 Mm-hmm.

01:04:45.000 Before he passed away.

01:04:46.000 And after he was gone, there wasn't a whole lot of guys my size down there.

01:04:50.000 That's an issue for bigger guys too, right?

01:04:52.000 Especially for heavyweights.

01:04:53.000 It's really hard for heavyweights to find good training partners.

01:04:56.000 Find a skillful guy that's above 225 pounds.

01:05:00.000 It's not that many.

01:05:01.000 Right.

01:05:02.000 I think Alliance has got a good team down in San Diego, right?

01:05:05.000 Yeah, they're pretty good.

01:05:06.000 They've got some good guys.

01:05:07.000 You know, of course, AKA has Cormier and Kane.

01:05:12.000 There's some good guys there.

01:05:13.000 Brockhold's been doing really well lately, too.

01:05:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:16.000 Brockhold's a beast.

01:05:17.000 Yeah.

01:05:18.000 This is an interesting time because people are still trying to figure out how to train correctly for MMA. It's like you've got a lot of guys that are still holdovers from the early days where they would get together and try to figure it out and slug it out.

01:05:33.000 There was a lot of unnecessarily hard sparring or unnecessarily hard not smart sparring.

01:05:41.000 And then, you know, people are still trying to figure out, like, what's the best way to go about it?

01:05:45.000 And then you have people that have figured it out, like the AKAs that have figured it out, or the American Top Teams, where they have it down to a science, you know?

01:05:53.000 But there's just not that many.

01:05:55.000 Whereas, like, if you look at any other major sport, like at baseball or football, like, they have protocols, like strength and conditioning protocols, they put all their athletes through, and there's been programs, because they go through...

01:06:05.000 From high school to college to the pros, they know, state of the art, this is what we're supposed to do.

01:06:11.000 This is the best way to recover.

01:06:12.000 This is the best way to train strength and conditioning.

01:06:15.000 This is the best way to do this.

01:06:16.000 With MMA, also, there's so many skills.

01:06:20.000 There's so many things to learn.

01:06:22.000 It's one of the most interesting things about MMA, but it's also one of the things like, man, what do you concentrate on?

01:06:28.000 That's a...

01:06:29.000 That's a really good point.

01:06:30.000 With me transitioning over to MMA, that's one thing I'm really enjoying.

01:06:35.000 I've done kickboxing for so long where I don't know everything there is to know about kickboxing, but I feel very at home.

01:06:41.000 If I get in good shape and my coaches are just sharpening me up and keeping me fresh, I think I can get in a kickboxing fight and just react naturally.

01:06:50.000 With MMA, I'm still learning and still thinking about things, and a lot of times I'm I remember what I was supposed to do like 10 seconds after I got tapped out.

01:06:59.000 I should have done this or did that.

01:07:00.000 It's a lot of fun to be evolving and keep learning new things for me.

01:07:05.000 There's so much stuff to learn and so many different styles and different ways to win.

01:07:09.000 That's really beneficial for me working with Nick and Nate is they think about it so analytically.

01:07:17.000 Going on top, going on bottom.

01:07:19.000 If this doesn't work out, then you're going to end up here.

01:07:21.000 It's really interesting.

01:07:24.000 Is it difficult?

01:07:25.000 Because you're doing both.

01:07:26.000 You just fought Melvin Manhoof in a big MMA fight in Bellator, and then you're going from that, and a couple months later, you're fighting in a big kickboxing event.

01:07:34.000 Is it difficult to do both at the same time?

01:07:37.000 Well, I'm going to find out.

01:07:40.000 Right now, I'm living the dream.

01:07:43.000 I feel like I can be really successful in both right now, depending on the right matchups.

01:07:47.000 I don't think I'm a contender for a title in MMA just yet.

01:07:54.000 but uh yeah it's uh you know there's things i have to remember not to do um for both you know what i mean right if i knock somebody down in mma i don't walk away right right eight count you know that's your mark hunt yeah you know he's the king of the walk away ko in mma it was funny when i knocked out melvin um i felt the walk away like i needed to do though i knew he was out but um my coaches my coach and my manager were very adamant that The night of the fight and the week of,

01:08:22.000 this isn't kickboxing.

01:08:24.000 There isn't going to be an A-count.

01:08:25.000 If you drop him, make sure you go over him and finish him.

01:08:28.000 You need to finish right away. 0.99

01:08:31.000 I hit him with the hook cross. 0.95

01:08:32.000 I didn't even know I hit him with the left hand.

01:08:34.000 I thought it was just the right hand until I saw the video.

01:08:38.000 I saw him go down.

01:08:40.000 He's going down with his hands up.

01:08:41.000 I wanted to walk away.

01:08:43.000 It was this voice in my head like, go finish him, go finish him.

01:08:45.000 I went to go and...

01:08:48.000 Mike Beltran had jumped in the way.

01:08:50.000 And then I was just like, totally ruined my walk-off right now.

01:08:54.000 You could have just walked off.

01:08:55.000 I could have just walked off.

01:08:56.000 Right.

01:08:56.000 Yeah.

01:08:57.000 Pull that up, Jamie.

01:08:59.000 Joe Schilling, KO's Melvin Manhoof.

01:09:01.000 That was a big fight for you because that guy, Melvin Manhoof, is...

01:09:07.000 His style is terrifying. 0.93

01:09:09.000 People are terrified of that guy because, first of all, he's black as coal. 1.00

01:09:13.000 He looks like a fucking superhero. 1.00

01:09:15.000 He comes out throwing bombs, knocked out Mark Hunt with one punch. 1.00

01:09:20.000 I mean, he's a terrifying knockout striker.

01:09:21.000 And his highlight reel is like 12 minutes long.

01:09:25.000 Everybody, like the week of the fight, everyone's like, Joe Schilling's fighting this guy, and they tagged me in it.

01:09:29.000 Every time I checked Facebook or Instagram or Twitter, it was like, People reminding me that I'm fighting this guy, and it was just like, knockout, knockout, knockout.

01:09:37.000 He's got the highlight reel of death.

01:09:39.000 Yeah, it was a really big fight for me.

01:09:42.000 It was a really tough fight for me, too.

01:09:43.000 It was a really bad camp.

01:09:45.000 It was probably the worst camp of my career.

01:09:48.000 My dad had passed away like three weeks before the fight, and like two or three days after that...

01:09:53.000 Why does that look so shitty, Jamie?

01:09:55.000 My cousin passed away. 0.95

01:09:56.000 Like, pull it back.

01:09:58.000 Is it our computer that's doing that?

01:09:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:00.000 It's drags because of the computer.

01:10:02.000 Why is it?

01:10:03.000 It's a YouTube video.

01:10:03.000 Come on, man.

01:10:06.000 Is it really that bad?

01:10:07.000 What do we got to do to fix that?

01:10:09.000 Tell me whatever we have to do to fix that. 0.98

01:10:11.000 Let's fucking fix that because this is pissing me off. 1.00

01:10:13.000 This looks like shit. 1.00

01:10:14.000 Can't even see it. 1.00

01:10:16.000 Boom! 1.00

01:10:20.000 Damn. 1.00

01:10:20.000 That dude's been flatlined a bunch of times over the last few years. 1.00

01:10:24.000 Yeah.

01:10:25.000 Those Dutch guys. 1.00

01:10:27.000 A lot of fucking tough guys in Holland, man. 1.00

01:10:29.000 A lot of tough kickboxers in Holland. 0.99

01:10:31.000 I think I'm almost like a kamikaze fighter.

01:10:34.000 Yeah.

01:10:34.000 But that's why I'm a fan of him.

01:10:36.000 Yeah.

01:10:37.000 Who doesn't want to watch a Melbourne man-off fight?

01:10:39.000 No, I'm a huge fan.

01:10:39.000 Yeah.

01:10:41.000 Mike's gym produces some goddamn savages. 1.00

01:10:44.000 Him and Badr Hari is a goddamn savage, too. 1.00

01:10:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:10:46.000 What is he doing these days? 1.00

01:10:48.000 Is he going to jail again?

01:10:50.000 I'm not sure what that situation is, but I think he's training for a fight.

01:10:56.000 I think he's fighting in a global fighting championships in Russia or somewhere.

01:11:01.000 He's not fighting Glory?

01:11:02.000 I don't know.

01:11:03.000 Why doesn't Glory get that guy? 1.00

01:11:05.000 I asked myself the same question.

01:11:07.000 He's a fun heavyweight.

01:11:08.000 He's a fun heavyweight.

01:11:09.000 Yeah, he's one of my all-time favorites. 0.98

01:11:11.000 Yeah, that dude's a mad dog. 0.99

01:11:13.000 Yeah, I'm not sure he's going to pass any piss tests, but he's a mad dog. 1.00

01:11:17.000 Yeah. 0.81

01:11:18.000 A lot of fun to watch.

01:11:19.000 Yeah, the Dutch kickboxing scene is not one for piss tests.

01:11:26.000 Yeah, that's one good way to put that.

01:11:27.000 I think America is the only country in the world that really drug tests their athletes, especially with fighting.

01:11:34.000 I don't think that there's any drug testing.

01:11:34.000 Really?

01:11:36.000 In Japan, there was definitely no drug testing.

01:11:38.000 In Japan, they drug test you to make sure you're doing steroids.

01:11:41.000 To make sure you're doing it.

01:11:43.000 Make sure!

01:11:44.000 I have a friend who is a natural.

01:11:47.000 I mean, he should have been fighting 155. And he was going over to Japan, and they wanted him to fight 185. They were like, you know, you're a big guy.

01:11:55.000 Let's do some juice.

01:11:56.000 Let's get you pumped up.

01:11:57.000 And he was like, what?

01:11:59.000 He was used to dealing with American promoters, but they never said that to him.

01:12:02.000 They sat him down.

01:12:03.000 They flew him out there, sat him down, and they essentially told him to get on steroids.

01:12:07.000 What did he do?

01:12:08.000 He wound up fighting in America.

01:12:11.000 But he went over there and had the meeting.

01:12:14.000 He had one fight over there, and they liked him, but they wanted him to go up.

01:12:18.000 I think he fought over there at 160. And they wanted him to fight at 185. Like, what the fuck are you guys talking about?

01:12:25.000 I mean, it's one thing if you're like, you're a big guy already, and they're like, oh, we want you to go up and wait. 1.00

01:12:31.000 You're really good, but we want you to put on 20 pounds of muscle and fight.

01:12:34.000 Well, I think in Japan, they feel like the larger weight classes are the ones that sell the most.

01:12:40.000 And I think that was their thought process.

01:12:43.000 He's a good looking guy, they feel like this guy, put some big muscles on him, we're gonna make some money.

01:12:50.000 They're definitely not thinking like, hey, for your career, this is the best move.

01:12:54.000 Right, or your safety.

01:12:55.000 Well, you hear those stories about the Yakuza back in their pride glory days giving you bowling ball bags filled with money.

01:13:02.000 I heard a few stories like that.

01:13:04.000 They show up at your hotel room the night before the fight with a grocery shop, grocery bags full of money.

01:13:11.000 When guys take them back with them, they would be taping rolls of money to their body.

01:13:16.000 Right, because you can only take $10,000 or something back.

01:13:19.000 So they'd be literally taping stacks of money to their body to try to get through security.

01:13:24.000 Every member of his entourage had to hold like $10,000 to go on the plane to go back.

01:13:28.000 Yeah.

01:13:29.000 But try explaining that.

01:13:31.000 So you're traveling with this dude and he's got 10 grand too.

01:13:33.000 And this guy, what a coincidence.

01:13:34.000 He's got 10 grand.

01:13:35.000 How's this guy have 10 grand too? 0.98

01:13:37.000 What did you guys fucking find some money over there? 0.98

01:13:39.000 Like what the hell happened in Japan? 0.99

01:13:41.000 No taxes for that.

01:13:41.000 Yeah.

01:13:44.000 The glory days.

01:13:46.000 That's a beautiful thing about this sport, though, that the glory days were only like a decade ago.

01:13:50.000 It's so young.

01:13:53.000 22 years since the UFC was first created.

01:13:56.000 It's hard to believe.

01:13:57.000 And that those guys in the glory days are still competing now.

01:14:00.000 A lot of them...

01:14:02.000 So is your plan to, in Glory Days, you're fighting in Glory, I would love it if Glory became really successful, because I'm a huge fan of kickboxing.

01:14:12.000 But I don't know, I mean, how successful was their pay-per-view venture?

01:14:16.000 The pay-per-view venture, I don't think it did very good at all.

01:14:19.000 But I think it was more about a...

01:14:23.000 A strategic thing.

01:14:24.000 Like, if you give away your product for free all the time, then it's hard to ever establish, okay, now you have to pay for it.

01:14:30.000 So I think they did that as more of, like, they needed to do a pay-per-view.

01:14:33.000 But their pay-per-view buys weren't that great.

01:14:35.000 Which I think was kind of unfortunate because that was, like, the end-all be-all for...

01:14:40.000 Combat Sports in one night.

01:14:41.000 You know, if they were going to put that on Spike TV, I think that would have done huge numbers for building their brand.

01:14:47.000 But they had a great, you know, the other thing they did on that was they had two cards at one time.

01:14:52.000 So you have, you know, Cro Cop was the main event on the card that was live on Spike TV. And I think it's just hard to get people, I mean, I love kickboxing, but I'm not going to watch it for an hour and a half and then Pay another 60 bucks to watch it for another hour and a half on Sunday night.

01:15:07.000 I think that was just...

01:15:09.000 Well, they tried the UFC strategy, the way the UFC has the prelims on Fox Sports 1 and they have the main bouts on pay-per-view afterwards.

01:15:16.000 They tried that strategy.

01:15:18.000 But the UFC is just way more established.

01:15:20.000 I think it's really hard to do that with kickboxing because, for the most part, most of the people that are watching have no idea who anybody fighting is.

01:15:26.000 Except Joe Schilling.

01:15:28.000 Except Joe Schilling and whoever he fights.

01:15:31.000 But if you watch, you know, the UFC, they're prepping you for the big stars.

01:15:37.000 But they haven't really established glory enough to have big stars yet, but...

01:15:41.000 Man, that level of kickboxing is so high.

01:15:44.000 And it's kind of frustrating because for the new fan, even for MMA, you still get people like, oh, what's this boring stuff on the ground that don't appreciate the sport.

01:15:58.000 They just want to see the action or whatnot.

01:16:01.000 Those people need to tune in to kickboxing.

01:16:04.000 Those people need to eat paint. 1.00

01:16:06.000 Right. 1.00

01:16:07.000 They all need to eat lead paint and go fuck themselves. 1.00

01:16:10.000 So many asshole fans. 1.00

01:16:12.000 That's the one thing that just disappoints me so bad. 1.00

01:16:15.000 When I go on Twitter and I read, like, a fighter will post something, you know, after the fight, and you read all the people talking shit about them. 0.99

01:16:21.000 It's just like, oh, fucking Christ, man. 1.00

01:16:24.000 There are so many douchebags. 1.00

01:16:26.000 And it's kind of worse for MMA, you know... 0.80

01:16:30.000 Yeah, obviously there was a lot more exposure from my fight with Melvin.

01:16:36.000 I always knew that there was a bigger fan base for MMA than there was for kickboxing, but I had no idea how much bigger it was.

01:16:41.000 When I won the Glory Glory 10. I was the first American to ever win a global combat tournament, ever.

01:16:48.000 And it was like a huge deal.

01:16:50.000 It was the biggest payday, I think, in American kickboxing history.

01:16:53.000 And I think there was like three stories done on me about it, total.

01:16:56.000 And then my fight with Melvin was, you know, it wasn't for title or for ranking, you know, it was just one fight.

01:17:03.000 And, you know, it's been all kinds of publicity and more following from that. 0.97

01:17:08.000 Within two days, there were people on my Instagram just writing the most degrading, disrespectful shit about my family and my mom. 0.99

01:17:16.000 Just ridiculous stuff. 1.00

01:17:21.000 You get more fans, you get more whack jobs, but there definitely seems to be a little bit more Ignorant fans that hang out trashing people in MMA. There's just so many dummies in this world that get there. 1.00

01:17:33.000 Period, right? 0.84

01:17:34.000 Yeah, and they have an outlet to reach you.

01:17:36.000 Whereas before, you know, they would just be yelling at each other at the gas station.

01:17:39.000 That guy ain't got no heart.

01:17:41.000 He ain't got no heart. 1.00

01:17:41.000 I kick his fucking ass. 1.00

01:17:43.000 And that's where it would end. 1.00

01:17:45.000 Now they can tweet directly at me.

01:17:45.000 Right.

01:17:47.000 They have an Instagram.

01:17:48.000 They get on your page and you just leave these posts.

01:17:50.000 You read them and you just go... 1.00

01:17:51.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:17:52.000 Imagine if, you know, someone came from another planet and they were trying to understand what people were like and they read comments on Instagram. 1.00

01:18:00.000 They'd be like, well, we gotta nuke this fucking thing. 0.99

01:18:02.000 Nuke this thing from orbit. 1.00

01:18:04.000 It'd be like that movie Aliens.

01:18:06.000 We gotta nuke it from orbit just to be sure. 1.00

01:18:08.000 Like, these assholes, these guys have bombs and missiles and this is the way they think. 1.00

01:18:13.000 You know, it's not indicative of the best example of humanity. 1.00

01:18:17.000 Yeah.

01:18:18.000 Especially combat sports.

01:18:19.000 There's something about fighting.

01:18:21.000 Well, kind of sports in general, man.

01:18:23.000 I'm not a sports fan.

01:18:24.000 I don't pay attention to football or baseball, but every now and then I will read, like, comment sections on blogs just to see, like, if they're the same as, like...

01:18:35.000 And it's the same. 1.00

01:18:36.000 It's the same shit. 1.00

01:18:38.000 Yeah, you got Boston trying to get a hooker. 1.00

01:18:41.000 It's seven in the morning. 0.99

01:18:42.000 That's a desperado cocaine move. 1.00

01:18:44.000 I've tested that motherfucker. 1.00

01:18:45.000 Immediately fired from ESPN. Did they fire him? 1.00

01:18:48.000 Immediately fired from ESPN. That's hilarious.

01:18:51.000 They should give him a raise.

01:18:51.000 That's hilarious.

01:18:52.000 Yeah. 0.76

01:18:53.000 At least he's not raping anybody. 0.98

01:18:55.000 He's trying to get a hook. 0.99

01:18:56.000 He's trying to pay for it.

01:18:57.000 Give the man a break.

01:18:58.000 Look, it's...

01:19:00.000 That's the worst possible.

01:19:01.000 What could be worse than that? 0.99

01:19:03.000 Prostitution? 1.00

01:19:04.000 No, getting caught picking up a prostitute. 0.99

01:19:07.000 It shouldn't even be a big deal. 1.00

01:19:08.000 The guy's trying to get a massage on his dick. 1.00

01:19:11.000 That's all it is. 1.00

01:19:11.000 I mean, look, if it's 7 o'clock in the morning and he was trying to get a massage, nobody would bat an eye. 1.00

01:19:15.000 You're trying to get someone to touch you for money.

01:19:17.000 That's what it is.

01:19:18.000 But oh no, they're touching the bad spot.

01:19:20.000 The naughty area.

01:19:22.000 Ooh, this is crazy. 1.00

01:19:25.000 You know, if you paid a woman to suck on the back of your neck, nobody would be like, uh, okay. 1.00

01:19:32.000 Yeah, I paid her a thousand bucks to suck on the back of my neck. 1.00

01:19:34.000 People would be like, okay, alright. 1.00

01:19:37.000 That seems okay.

01:19:38.000 We checked the rules.

01:19:39.000 That's alright. 1.00

01:19:40.000 But I paid her to suck my dick. 1.00

01:19:43.000 What? 1.00

01:19:43.000 Fuck it! 1.00

01:19:44.000 What did you say? 1.00

01:19:44.000 Why would you do that? 1.00

01:19:46.000 You're fired.

01:19:46.000 It feels good?

01:19:47.000 Shit, what did I do wrong? 0.99

01:19:48.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:19:49.000 She needed a thousand bucks. 1.00

01:19:50.000 I needed a blowjob. 0.99

01:19:51.000 Who got hurt here? 1.00

01:19:53.000 I'm so fucking confused. 0.82

01:19:55.000 Well, the sponsors. 0.97

01:19:57.000 The sponsors won't tolerate it, Joe Schilling.

01:19:59.000 We need to sell Gatorade. 0.98

01:20:01.000 We're not selling blowjobs. 1.00

01:20:03.000 It's fucking ridiculous. 1.00

01:20:04.000 It is fucking ridiculous. 1.00

01:20:05.000 We live in a goofy, goofy baby world. 1.00

01:20:08.000 This is an infantile world. 1.00

01:20:12.000 Guy gets arrested for fucking soliciting prostitution. 1.00

01:20:15.000 Did he hit up a cop or something? 1.00

01:20:17.000 I hadn't heard that whole story.

01:20:17.000 I don't know.

01:20:19.000 I was hoping you knew.

01:20:19.000 Do you know what happened, Jamie?

01:20:20.000 You should know.

01:20:21.000 You're the gossip monger.

01:20:22.000 He admitted to, I guess the girls said that he was assaulting them.

01:20:27.000 Two girls.

01:20:27.000 Oh.

01:20:28.000 And then when the cops came for that, he admitted to the solicitation of prostitution, but not the assault. 0.99

01:20:34.000 Oh, so he's a douchebag. 0.98

01:20:35.000 All right, I take it back. 0.99

01:20:37.000 You know what, man? 0.73

01:20:38.000 If there was like a legit establishment where he could go to and just give them money, and it's just, to me, look, I have daughters, and the last thing I would ever want is my daughters to be prostitutes. 0.99

01:20:50.000 However, I believe that part of our issue that we have as human beings with prostitution is just this weird...

01:20:57.000 Puritan view of sex. 0.67

01:20:59.000 That sex is somehow or another this forbidden evil thing. 0.99

01:21:03.000 It's just two people touching each other's bodies.

01:21:07.000 No babies are getting eaten. 1.00

01:21:09.000 No fucking slaves are getting whipped. 1.00

01:21:11.000 No one's getting tossed off cliffs. 0.99

01:21:13.000 This is not a horrible thing.

01:21:15.000 It's fine if you do it for free, right?

01:21:18.000 No one has any problem if you have sex for free. 1.00

01:21:20.000 The idea that if you give someone money and you have sex, all of a sudden it's this terrible, awful, evil thing, I think that's stupid. 1.00

01:21:29.000 I think it's stupid and it's... 1.00

01:21:31.000 It's archaic. 1.00

01:21:32.000 And this world that we live in is changing and people are starting to realize that adult human beings... 0.96

01:21:38.000 Look, you got a fucking hundred years on this planet if you're lucky. 0.94

01:21:42.000 That's it. 0.98

01:21:43.000 It's just this wild ride of good times and hopefully friends and good food and wonderful life experiences. 0.99

01:21:51.000 And who the fuck is anybody to tell you that paying for sex or someone paying you for sex is bad? 0.99

01:21:59.000 I mean, who is that? 0.99

01:22:00.000 Who are those people? 1.00

01:22:01.000 Well, they're the same assholes that tell you you shouldn't pay for weed. 1.00

01:22:04.000 You shouldn't be able to smoke weed. 1.00

01:22:05.000 Right. 1.00

01:22:05.000 The same assholes that tell you you shouldn't be able to do psychedelics or you shouldn't be able to... 1.00

01:22:10.000 Whatever the fuck it is, if it's not hurting anybody. 1.00

01:22:12.000 It's the Nancy Graces of the world. 1.00

01:22:14.000 That's it.

01:22:15.000 Did you see her interview with...

01:22:17.000 2 Chainz?

01:22:18.000 Oh my god.

01:22:20.000 I was so like...

01:22:21.000 First of all, someone stole one of 2 Chainz's chains because he only had one chain on.

01:22:25.000 Really?

01:22:25.000 The whole video, I was like, where's the other chain?

01:22:28.000 Motherfucker's got one chain. 1.00

01:22:30.000 You can't call yourself 2 Chainz and have a fucking debate on CNN, sir. 1.00

01:22:36.000 You need to use your goddamn birth name, alright? 1.00

01:22:38.000 I need to see a fucking birth certificate and a driver's license. 1.00

01:22:41.000 2 Chainz. 1.00

01:22:43.000 2 Chainz.

01:22:44.000 My name's not Joe Schilling.

01:22:46.000 It's Crazy Donkey.

01:22:50.000 What would your rap name be?

01:22:51.000 What would my rap name be?

01:22:52.000 I don't know.

01:22:53.000 Would it just be, this is Can't Stop Crazy?

01:22:55.000 I guess so.

01:22:56.000 Where did that slogan, Can't Stop Crazy, come from?

01:23:00.000 That actually came from, I think it was my second pro Muay Thai fight.

01:23:03.000 I just kind of went berserk.

01:23:05.000 And with elbows and knees.

01:23:07.000 And one of the guys that trained in my gym was like, oh, you know, you can't stop crazy. 0.95

01:23:10.000 And I just remember thinking that was the dumbest thing I'd ever heard at the time. 0.98

01:23:13.000 Dude.

01:23:14.000 Later on, there was a time when before Glory, before Lion Fight got a TV deal, there was kickboxing and all the shows that I was fighting on.

01:23:27.000 The fans didn't really have any connection to any one of the fighters unless you went to every show.

01:23:31.000 So it was really hard to set yourself apart as the high-level guy or the better guy, who was really doing it, because there was no media at all.

01:23:40.000 And me and the other...

01:23:43.000 Five or six best kickboxers in the United States got together and started like our own website, started promoting ourselves and we hired, got the best photographers in the sport and kind of just built our own media for ourselves.

01:23:59.000 Eventually Lion Fight got a TV deal and Glory came, but for a long time it was just us kind of making it for ourselves.

01:24:06.000 And we were like, what do we call it?

01:24:07.000 And I was like, oh, I can't stop crazy.

01:24:09.000 Okay, that's cool.

01:24:10.000 It was kind of a movement.

01:24:11.000 It really kind of took off.

01:24:12.000 It's weird.

01:24:12.000 I can't even describe what it is now.

01:24:15.000 People always ask me to describe it.

01:24:16.000 It's just a group of people that we sell t-shirts and we used to do our own interviews.

01:24:22.000 With no TV backing, you know, there was nobody promoting us, you know.

01:24:25.000 These are the shirts right here.

01:24:27.000 Yeah, there's some of them.

01:24:28.000 See, you can wear this.

01:24:30.000 This is 100% douche-free.

01:24:32.000 No one would have any idea.

01:24:34.000 Note the lack of skulls.

01:24:35.000 There's no swords going through a broken skull with a snake wrapped around it. 1.00

01:24:40.000 There's no pit bulls getting fucked in the ass by a dragon. 1.00

01:24:45.000 Actually... 1.00

01:24:47.000 Drew, if you're listening, our designer, I would like a shirt made with a pit bull getting fucked in the ass by a dragon. 1.00

01:24:53.000 In glitter. 1.00

01:24:54.000 And that's going to be the Joe Rogan shirt.

01:24:56.000 Some Japanese foil writing behind it.

01:24:59.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:25:01.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.

01:25:02.000 The world of MMA t-shirts.

01:25:04.000 That shirt dropped off pretty quick.

01:25:06.000 Remember that was like...

01:25:06.000 I wonder why.

01:25:08.000 I don't know.

01:25:10.000 Ed Hardy was like, it was like Von Dutch for people with head injuries. 0.91

01:25:15.000 It was like, you know, people are like, Von Dutch is just fucking too clever for me.

01:25:20.000 What do you think really started that downfall for them? 0.92

01:25:22.000 Was it the Hulk Hogan show where he wore it?

01:25:24.000 Hulk Hogan was like their poster boy for it?

01:25:27.000 I think it's just overexposure.

01:25:29.000 People love those old school Americana tattoos, which to me, that's what Ed Hardy always used to represent.

01:25:36.000 It was kind of cool, those old sailor tattoos.

01:25:39.000 I like those. 0.84

01:25:40.000 And they bedazzled the shit out of it. 0.97

01:25:42.000 Yeah, then it was like, what is going on here? 0.90

01:25:44.000 And then it became this weird...

01:25:46.000 It was like a Von Dutch thing. 1.00

01:25:47.000 Like, Von Dutch used to be the fucking shit. 1.00

01:25:49.000 Ashton Kutcher used to wear those stupid trucker hats, and everybody was like, man, I gotta get one. 1.00

01:25:54.000 And I would look at it, and I was like, what the fuck are you wearing, man? 1.00

01:25:57.000 That looks like you're wearing, like, some diner in, like, Cincinnati. 0.99

01:26:02.000 They have, like, a hat that they sell.

01:26:05.000 You know, that's what it looked like.

01:26:06.000 Like, just some obscure, like, truck stop diner.

01:26:06.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:11.000 You know, and then all of a sudden all these people were wearing it like, you know, I'm fucking, I'm going to tilt it to the side. 0.89

01:26:11.000 You're right. 0.89

01:26:15.000 I'm crazy.

01:26:16.000 It's just, I don't know what happened, but it became this thing that douchebags would wear.

01:26:21.000 I don't know.

01:26:22.000 I don't know how it happened.

01:26:23.000 Yeah.

01:26:24.000 But it went, it came, and everybody, you know what it was like?

01:26:27.000 It's like the spinning wheels of clothing.

01:26:30.000 Remember those spinners that people used to have on their rims? 0.85

01:26:33.000 They lasted like a little while where people were like, what the fuck are we doing?

01:26:37.000 And those spinners killed the custom wheel market. 0.93

01:26:41.000 Because it used to be everybody would get a car and then they would get custom wheels.

01:26:45.000 Like you could take a pretty decent car but put some sweet wheels on it and everybody would be like, that's a pretty nice car. 0.98

01:26:50.000 But those fucking spinners came out and everybody's like, that's it, we're going the other way. 0.99

01:26:53.000 Don't ever change your wheels. 1.00

01:26:55.000 Just leave the fucking wheels the car came with. 1.00

01:26:57.000 Like, this is ridiculous. 1.00

01:26:58.000 We can't be associated with this. 0.92

01:27:00.000 You notice that?

01:27:01.000 Yeah, it's not a...

01:27:03.000 Now it's like they're painted wheels.

01:27:08.000 Low-key.

01:27:10.000 You might have nice wheels, but they're painted black and match your car.

01:27:10.000 Yeah, low-key.

01:27:14.000 Yeah, that's okay.

01:27:14.000 They're not like giant, gold-spinning...

01:27:17.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:27:37.000 That's a common thing, right?

01:27:38.000 Those Impalas? 1.00

01:27:39.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:27:39.000 They would put it on these ridiculous cars and they have like wagon wheels. 0.94

01:27:43.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:27:43.000 They were like, they were the most preposterous wheels ever. 0.97

01:27:45.000 And those things break all the time.

01:27:47.000 You go over a bump, hit a pothole.

01:27:50.000 There's no tire.

01:27:51.000 It's like you're running around on metal rims.

01:27:53.000 They bend.

01:27:54.000 Yeah, I put a...

01:27:56.000 20 inch wheels on my Acura.

01:27:58.000 They're not like flashy, they're like paint black wheels or whatever.

01:28:03.000 I either had to roll the fenders, which I didn't realize was when I bought the car.

01:28:06.000 What kind of Acura you got?

01:28:07.000 It's a TL. Nothing spectacular.

01:28:11.000 When I got the wheels, I didn't know that you couldn't fit 20. They rubbed?

01:28:17.000 They would rub unless you rolled the fenders.

01:28:19.000 So when I ordered it, they were like, oh, you need to get these 35s or 30 tires.

01:28:23.000 Whatever.

01:28:24.000 I didn't know what it was.

01:28:25.000 Apparently a 30 tire is like this big.

01:28:27.000 Very thin.

01:28:28.000 It's incredibly thin.

01:28:29.000 And, you know, it looks cool, but I'm constantly, every time I drive up north, I get a flat tire.

01:28:34.000 All the time.

01:28:36.000 I've had to repair the rims like three or four times just because the tire gets so low and you hit a bump and it puts a hole in the, or bends or cracks the rim.

01:28:45.000 Yeah, go back to standard.

01:28:47.000 Yeah, I'm just going to go put my stock wheels back on.

01:28:49.000 Yeah, put the stock wheels back on. 0.99

01:28:51.000 Acura makes a fucking hell of a car, though. 0.98

01:28:53.000 They're an underappreciated car. 0.99

01:28:54.000 Yeah, they really are.

01:28:55.000 I love it.

01:28:56.000 I've had two of those.

01:28:57.000 I had two NSXs.

01:28:58.000 I still might go out and buy an old one.

01:29:01.000 I'm looking for one. 1.00

01:29:02.000 Those fucking cars are great, man. 1.00

01:29:04.000 I love that car. 1.00

01:29:05.000 Never had a problem.

01:29:07.000 Every time you go to start, starts right up.

01:29:10.000 Honda's just... 1.00

01:29:10.000 You can't fuck with Toyotas and Hondas. 1.00

01:29:13.000 Those motherfuckers will run forever. 1.00

01:29:16.000 I had a Honda Accord when I was in high school. 1.00

01:29:19.000 It was like a 92 Honda Accord.

01:29:21.000 And I never changed the oil in the thing.

01:29:24.000 No money.

01:29:25.000 I drove around with $2 worth of gas all the time.

01:29:27.000 Never changed the tire.

01:29:29.000 And I think I ended up having two clutches.

01:29:31.000 I went through two clutches because I was like fast and furious.

01:29:34.000 The movie had come out back then.

01:29:35.000 So it was like burnouts at every stoplight. 1.00

01:29:38.000 Man, I did a lot of dumb shit with that car. 0.99

01:29:40.000 You know those Whippet things where you can... 1.00

01:29:44.000 I think the actual use for it can be like a whipped cream maker.

01:29:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:50.000 It's like a canister and you can put a little Whippet cartridge in it and you hit the button and it'll fill up and you can fill up your balloon off of that.

01:29:57.000 Right.

01:29:58.000 I think it was like 16 or 17. I had wired...

01:29:58.000 So I had...

01:30:02.000 I put a tube through my...

01:30:06.000 Through my glove box all the way into my intake in the front.

01:30:09.000 And I was like a little street racer guy.

01:30:12.000 And I would crack off like four or five whippets into that little container and thought I had nitrous in my car.

01:30:16.000 Through my glove box.

01:30:18.000 True story.

01:30:19.000 But that Honda, I ended up giving it to a friend when I got another car.

01:30:23.000 And he drove it literally until the wheel fell off.

01:30:26.000 Until the front wheel fell off.

01:30:27.000 It had like over 325,000 miles on it.

01:30:30.000 And I think he...

01:30:33.000 I just ran until the wheel fell off.

01:30:34.000 Japanese make amazing cars.

01:30:36.000 I have a friend who has a Lexus that has a million miles on it.

01:30:39.000 Really?

01:30:40.000 A million.

01:30:41.000 Yeah, it's a famous car.

01:30:43.000 I don't know if it's his.

01:30:44.000 He's Matt Farah from The Smoking Tire.

01:30:46.000 He always has images of it.

01:30:47.000 He brings it everywhere, just puts it online. 0.99

01:30:50.000 It's got a million fucking miles on it. 0.99

01:30:52.000 Amazing. 1.00

01:30:52.000 A million! 1.00

01:30:54.000 They just don't break. 0.99

01:30:55.000 It's like something happened along the way where it became acceptable for cars to just fuck up. 1.00

01:31:01.000 Yeah, to just be a piece of shit. 1.00

01:31:02.000 And it's American cars. 1.00

01:31:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:03.000 Why do we do that to ourselves?

01:31:05.000 It's not just American cars.

01:31:06.000 Well, I mean, it's always the Japanese cars that last forever.

01:31:09.000 Yeah.

01:31:10.000 The Lexus, the Toyota, the Honda.

01:31:12.000 Even German cars, which are amazing.

01:31:14.000 I've had German cars that had problems. 1.00

01:31:16.000 It's a piece of shit. 1.00

01:31:16.000 I had a Volkswagen. 1.00

01:31:16.000 That's true. 1.00

01:31:17.000 They fuck up. 0.99

01:31:18.000 I know someone who has a Porsche Cayenne and she went to start it the other day. 1.00

01:31:23.000 Catastrophic fucking failure. 1.00

01:31:24.000 Engine lights on. 1.00

01:31:26.000 Year old car. 0.99

01:31:27.000 Probably like, what, a fucking 160 grand or something like that Cayenne Turbo. 0.99

01:31:32.000 Pressing buttons. 0.99

01:31:33.000 All these lights are going on.

01:31:34.000 Like, what's going on here?

01:31:35.000 Nothing.

01:31:35.000 Gotta tow it.

01:31:36.000 Get a tow.

01:31:37.000 They're like, oh, there's a problem wrong with your thing.

01:31:39.000 And they replaced the thing.

01:31:40.000 And like, what? 0.99

01:31:42.000 Like, what if you were in Alaska and that shit went wrong? 0.99

01:31:44.000 Like, what if you're driving across country? 0.99

01:31:46.000 Yeah, you know, when you're driving your Porsche in Alaska.

01:31:49.000 Well, I guess there are people in Alaska that have Porsche.

01:31:49.000 You never know.

01:31:51.000 There must be people in Alaska who got some cheese.

01:31:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:54.000 Want to fucking be a baller out there and drive under moose with a fucking Cayenne? 0.99

01:32:00.000 Yeah, something about those Japanese cars, though. 0.99

01:32:02.000 They, for whatever reason, it's like the Japanese culture itself.

01:32:06.000 Have you fought in Japan?

01:32:07.000 I haven't.

01:32:08.000 I would think that that's like, especially for a kickboxer, when it comes down to the K1 glory days, those are probably the glory days.

01:32:18.000 Not necessarily of Muay Thai, because there's a lot of the great Muay Thai fighters, particularly in the lower weight classes, came out of Thailand.

01:32:28.000 Yeah.

01:32:28.000 But as far as heavyweights and the larger kickboxing bouts, man, it all took place in Japan.

01:32:35.000 When I moved out here when I was 19, I was going to school and I couldn't afford cable.

01:32:43.000 I had a little job as a room service attendant at the Bonaventure Hotel, but I would go to this...

01:32:49.000 Video store in Little Tokyo, and they sold all the K1 videotapes.

01:32:53.000 I remember my girlfriend coming over and just being like, can we watch something else?

01:32:57.000 And it was all the time, K1 Max or K1 Heavyweights.

01:33:02.000 That was the best.

01:33:04.000 The 100-foot giant screens, the long walkways, the wars they had in K1. That was the golden era.

01:33:10.000 The pageantry.

01:33:11.000 Which is what glory is now.

01:33:13.000 I wish the fans that loved K1 would...

01:33:18.000 Pay attention to glory.

01:33:20.000 I hate for this thing to fail.

01:33:22.000 It's been so long that we're trying to get this sport going.

01:33:27.000 Nobody's going to watch a glory show and not fall in love with it.

01:33:30.000 I agree. 1.00

01:33:31.000 Turn on the damn channel. 1.00

01:33:33.000 You know, I told the UFC, you know, maybe like seven or eight years ago, I told them to buy a K-1 because I heard the K-1 was for sale. 0.99

01:33:40.000 I said, you guys should buy a K-1.

01:33:41.000 Did you know the Ultimate Fighter was originally supposed to be the K-1?

01:33:45.000 What do you mean?

01:33:45.000 Really?

01:33:46.000 Mike Kogan, my manager, told me this.

01:33:48.000 He used to work with K-1 and K-1 USA with Scott Cougar, that the Ultimate Fighter TV show was originally supposed to be...

01:33:58.000 K-1 on Spike, and the deal didn't go through or something, and then Dana and the Fertittas picked it up and did the UFC for it.

01:34:05.000 But originally it was supposed to be K-1.

01:34:08.000 I would double-check on that if it's coming from Mike Hogan.

01:34:13.000 That's what he said.

01:34:14.000 He might be right.

01:34:14.000 You never know.

01:34:15.000 Joe Schilling is the most gullible motherfucker ever. 0.99

01:34:19.000 But I think that the level is there, you know, like here, like the big fight. 0.99

01:34:24.000 Rico Verhoeven, he's like, you know, like one of the best kickboxers.

01:34:29.000 You could put him back in the K-1 glory days.

01:34:31.000 Yeah, I mean he fought Peter Ertz.

01:34:33.000 He's fought a lot of those big name guys.

01:34:35.000 Think about the guys that they have.

01:34:38.000 There's a wealth of talent in kickboxing, especially a lot of these European guys, a lot of these guys from Holland.

01:34:47.000 There's so many good fighters.

01:34:49.000 It's not a lack of talent.

01:34:50.000 It's one of those things where it's like, at this point, It's almost like it just needs time.

01:34:58.000 It's almost like it just needs...

01:34:59.000 It's like if they're willing to do what the UFC did and put that...

01:35:03.000 Put the show on and, you know...

01:35:05.000 I mean, look...

01:35:05.000 Wait it out.

01:35:06.000 Daniel Gita.

01:35:07.000 I mean, Gokhan Saki. 0.99

01:35:09.000 I mean, they're some fucking great fighters. 0.86

01:35:11.000 You guys have Karatanov now, too? 0.97

01:35:13.000 Yeah.

01:35:14.000 Some really exciting fighters in the heavyweight division as well as all the other divisions, but if they just take the time...

01:35:20.000 The UFC was $44 million in the hole before the Ultimate Fighter got on the air.

01:35:25.000 And they were ready to pull the plug.

01:35:27.000 There was one point in time where Dana had a conversation with Lorenzo, and they were like, look, we can't keep hemorrhaging money.

01:35:34.000 Let's just sell it.

01:35:35.000 Let's just get rid of this.

01:35:36.000 Let's see what we can get for it.

01:35:37.000 And they were going to sell it at a big loss. 0.97

01:35:40.000 And the next day, Lorenzo slept on it and got up and fucking changed his mind. 1.00

01:35:45.000 I said, fuck it. 1.00

01:35:46.000 Guns blazing. 1.00

01:35:47.000 Let's keep going. 1.00

01:35:48.000 Let's ride this bitch out. 1.00

01:35:49.000 Which is what you can do when you're a billionaire. 0.99

01:35:51.000 Well, I think that's probably not real far from where...

01:35:51.000 Yeah.

01:35:55.000 The Glory story is right now.

01:35:57.000 We have Pierre, the owner of Glory, the head chairman or whatever, is definitely the one funding 90% of this stuff and pushing that.

01:36:06.000 Thank you, Pierre.

01:36:07.000 Please keep it up.

01:36:08.000 We're almost there.

01:36:10.000 Look, it's so...

01:36:12.000 The product is there.

01:36:14.000 See, that's the thing.

01:36:15.000 It's like the product is there.

01:36:16.000 The fights are there. 1.00

01:36:17.000 Anybody who watches that, the event that you were in, the Last Man Standing event, that fucking shit is on my DVR for life. 1.00

01:36:23.000 Which, by the way, it cut out before the end somehow or another. 1.00

01:36:26.000 Really? 0.97

01:36:26.000 I don't know what the fuck happened. 0.97

01:36:27.000 Maybe I only recorded it for three hours or something like that. 0.99

01:36:30.000 I don't know about that.

01:36:32.000 But if anybody watches that tournament or doesn't get hooked on Glory and hooked on kickboxing, you've got no pulse.

01:36:39.000 And that's the other thing that Glory's doing, which I don't know any of the finance stuff about it, but they're not going cheap on any of it.

01:36:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:47.000 There's a huge event.

01:36:49.000 The production is insane.

01:36:50.000 The fighters are insane.

01:36:52.000 I mean, all of it is just really top-notch.

01:36:54.000 And you guys got Mike Tyson pimping for it now?

01:36:57.000 Yeah, apparently they got Mike Tyson doing this thing now for it, which is cool.

01:37:01.000 Yeah, if you go to the Glory page, go to gloryworldseries.com.

01:37:04.000 Mike Tyson is doing the intro video, which is pretty fucking badass.

01:37:08.000 And it's Rico Verhoeven versus Errol Zimmerman.

01:37:13.000 And then there's you versus...

01:37:16.000 This kid is only 20 years old, huh?

01:37:18.000 I think he's 22. Robert Thomas from Canada.

01:37:21.000 Is he 22?

01:37:22.000 Yeah.

01:37:23.000 They call him the White Dragon, Jim.

01:37:24.000 He's good.

01:37:25.000 He's a good fighter.

01:37:26.000 He's going to be interesting.

01:37:27.000 Yep.

01:37:29.000 Have you seen him fight before?

01:37:30.000 Yeah, I saw a couple fights online.

01:37:31.000 He fought Artem Levin, and then he fought Alex Pereira, who's another guy in the top 10 in Brazil.

01:37:39.000 He came up short on both of those, but I have a lot of respect for somebody that's that young in his career and going after the top fights.

01:37:48.000 I mean, that was me.

01:37:50.000 I was the guy that One of those tough shots.

01:37:52.000 I know how dangerous those kind of people can be.

01:37:54.000 Yeah, his last fight in Glory was Glory 18 in November.

01:37:57.000 He KO'd Mike Lemaire.

01:37:59.000 So, this is going to be fun, man.

01:38:01.000 I just love the fact, like I said, that they're doing this.

01:38:05.000 And Nicky Holson is fighting too.

01:38:08.000 He's so high level.

01:38:10.000 Dude, he's really fun to watch.

01:38:12.000 He's so fun to watch.

01:38:13.000 Really good fight.

01:38:14.000 So technical, man.

01:38:15.000 Everything he does, just that classic kickboxing style from Holland.

01:38:22.000 And his boxing is phenomenal.

01:38:23.000 He's been going back and forth doing professional boxing over there between fights.

01:38:27.000 Yeah, his hands are really good.

01:38:29.000 He's my pick to win the tournament.

01:38:32.000 But then they also got Raymond Daniels' human highlight reel.

01:38:35.000 He's a really...

01:38:37.000 High-level martial artist.

01:38:38.000 I don't know if I'd really call him a kickboxer.

01:38:40.000 Well, he's becoming a kickboxer.

01:38:42.000 He's really like a karate guy who's getting into MMA, who's getting into kickboxing, rather. 0.96

01:38:47.000 But the shit that he does, like that touch, jumping side kick, spinning back kick in the air that he KO'd his last opponent with. 0.97

01:38:56.000 I couldn't do that on the bag. 0.99

01:38:58.000 I don't know how he does that.

01:39:00.000 And then the timing of it.

01:39:01.000 It's really, really...

01:39:02.000 It's really...

01:39:03.000 It's something else.

01:39:04.000 Yeah, he's learning the kickboxing game.

01:39:06.000 He's still got some gaps in his striking.

01:39:09.000 Especially the transitions between kicking and punching.

01:39:12.000 But the stuff that he can do.

01:39:14.000 And he's still fairly young.

01:39:16.000 He can still learn it.

01:39:17.000 He's an LA guy too, isn't he?

01:39:18.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:39:19.000 Do you ever train with him?

01:39:20.000 I sparred with him once, probably six years ago, I think, when they had that World Combat League when Chuck Norris tried his little thing.

01:39:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:29.000 The thing was so geared for his type of style, the point karate guys.

01:39:35.000 None of the Muay Thai guys did very well on that.

01:39:37.000 Well, that World Combat League, did they allow leg kicks?

01:39:40.000 They allowed leg kicks, but underneath those pants we had thick shin pads on.

01:39:44.000 Oh, really?

01:39:45.000 Thick shin pads.

01:39:46.000 And then it was only one three-minute round.

01:39:48.000 They made you wear shin pads?

01:39:49.000 Yeah.

01:39:50.000 It was one three minute round and it's really hard to do to really make leg kicks that effective in three minutes with giant shimp heads on. 0.98

01:39:59.000 You know what I mean? 0.92

01:40:00.000 That seems ridiculous.

01:40:01.000 Well, Chuck Norris was his league and it was really geared around like the Plank Karate guys.

01:40:07.000 And that type of style.

01:40:08.000 You know what I found really interesting about it though?

01:40:10.000 It was the lack of ring.

01:40:12.000 I really kind of like that.

01:40:13.000 And I'm not sure if the slope...

01:40:15.000 For the viewer.

01:40:16.000 Yeah, if you don't know what I'm talking about, it was almost like a very shallow swimming pool.

01:40:20.000 Where it's like it was flat in the bottom, and then for folks who didn't watch it, the edges were kind of sloped up.

01:40:27.000 But not a big slope.

01:40:30.000 Just a slight slope, just enough to let you know that you're at the edge, and then they would bring everybody back to the center.

01:40:35.000 It wasn't a very big thing, but I think that for MMA in particular, one of the things that drives people crazy is people being pressed up against the cage.

01:40:44.000 A lot of people don't like that aspect of MMA, like the clinching up against the cage and throwing knees to the leg, and they start booing, and they want everybody to separate.

01:40:53.000 I've always felt like...

01:40:55.000 If a football game can be played in a fucking giant 100-yard field, and a basketball game can be played in this really long court, why can't an MMA fight take place on a flat, just big, round, 0.96

01:41:11.000 flat area like that, where you don't have a ring? 0.99

01:41:14.000 And there's a red zone where you're out of bounds, and make that red zone, whatever, to fucking five yards or something like that. 0.76

01:41:23.000 And then bring everybody back to the center. 0.87

01:41:25.000 Well, you don't have any of that. 0.97

01:41:26.000 If you're going to get a takedown, you've got to get an honest fucking takedown like you do in a wrestling match. 0.80

01:41:30.000 Not pushing a guy up against the cage and pulling his legs out from under him, but an actual legit takedown. 0.93

01:41:35.000 Like giving him pride.

01:41:36.000 It was a lot harder to get a takedown.

01:41:37.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:41:38.000 Because what they do is they'll shove you up against the fence and then they suck your legs out. 0.96

01:41:43.000 They use that sort of thing.

01:41:45.000 I'm a lot more comfortable defending takedowns in the middle.

01:41:52.000 It's a lot easier to stop a takedown.

01:41:53.000 Once they start smashing you against the cage, then there's a lot of different variables.

01:41:57.000 And yeah, how many fights like Tim Sylvia, I think it was Tim Sylvia and Brandon Vera, they spent like three rounds just smashed against the side of the cage the whole time.

01:42:07.000 It happens.

01:42:07.000 It happens a lot.

01:42:09.000 And people get crazy.

01:42:10.000 They boo.

01:42:11.000 And it's also hard to see through a cage. 0.99

01:42:14.000 If you're standing in the crowd, even if you're on the floor, a couple rows back, and there's a pillar, and they're behind that pillar, and they're fighting, you can't see shit. 0.89

01:42:25.000 You wind up looking up at the big screen. 0.85

01:42:27.000 That's what I was curious.

01:42:28.000 Maybe you could tell me about this.

01:42:29.000 The UFC judges, do they have a screen in front of them to watch?

01:42:32.000 They do now.

01:42:33.000 Okay.

01:42:33.000 This is something that we had to complain about for a long time.

01:42:36.000 Because if you're sitting there and the whole fight is going on on the opposite side of the cage, you can't tell what's being landed or what, you know?

01:42:44.000 They're throwing punches and a lot of those punches that...

01:42:47.000 Anderson was throwing on Nick.

01:42:48.000 He did a really good job of blocking him.

01:42:50.000 But if I'm 30 feet away, I can't tell if he landed or not.

01:42:52.000 Well, sometimes it's really hard to tell while we're doing commentary.

01:42:52.000 Yeah.

01:42:55.000 Like, sometimes I have to watch a replay to see if something landed.

01:42:59.000 Like, if a guy's got his back to you and you see someone throw a punch and the guy falls down, you're like, oh, he got hit.

01:43:03.000 But then you watch and you go, oh, no, no, no.

01:43:05.000 He stepped on his foot and he slipped and then he went down.

01:43:08.000 Like, sometimes it'll look like a guy got hit.

01:43:11.000 Sometimes it's better to watch it at home, really, than it is to watch it live.

01:43:14.000 Yeah.

01:43:15.000 You watch it at home, you're going to get the perfect angle.

01:43:17.000 You know, the UFC broadcast team, those guys who are the production guys, they're the best.

01:43:22.000 I mean, they're so good at catching all the right angles.

01:43:26.000 The replays are always on point.

01:43:27.000 They know exactly what they're doing.

01:43:29.000 So you can almost see it better from home than you can.

01:43:33.000 But there's a lot of people that complain that, like, sit in the crowd. 0.98

01:43:36.000 They're like, I can't fucking see. 0.82

01:43:37.000 And they wind up, like, you see, like, look out in the crowd. 0.98

01:43:38.000 They're looking up at the giant screen.

01:43:40.000 I've went to quite a few UFC fights where I was just, you know, I feel like you go there for the energy.

01:43:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:46.000 You're there for the energy of the crowd, but like you're watching a screen.

01:43:50.000 Yeah.

01:43:51.000 Well, it's an event.

01:43:52.000 I mean, there's nothing like it.

01:43:54.000 Like when you're watching Nick versus Anderson.

01:43:57.000 Like when they were about to fight... 0.99

01:43:59.000 And they're in the center of the cage, and the referee's reading them the instructions, and then they back up, and you're like, holy shit. 0.98

01:44:06.000 It's happening right there. 0.99

01:44:07.000 It's fucking 30 feet away. 0.99

01:44:09.000 It's about to go down. 1.00

01:44:10.000 There's nothing like that. 1.00

01:44:12.000 That's some goosebump-inducing shit. 1.00

01:44:16.000 And then he lays down and you're like, holy shit. 1.00

01:44:18.000 When he lay down and put his hands on his head like he's taking a nap. 0.99

01:44:21.000 Or picking his wedge and like twerk at him a little bit.

01:44:25.000 Dude, I was crying laughing.

01:44:28.000 I was pounding on the table and crying laughing.

01:44:31.000 I couldn't help myself.

01:44:32.000 It just was so funny.

01:44:33.000 It was so good.

01:44:35.000 I had wondered, too, whether or not Nick was going to clown him.

01:44:38.000 Because all the stuff leading up to the fight was totally respectful.

01:44:41.000 All the stuff leading up to the fight was like, hey, you know, Nick was saying, I want big names.

01:44:46.000 I want a big name fight.

01:44:47.000 This is a big name fight.

01:44:48.000 So, you know, I respect him and we're ready to go. 0.99

01:44:51.000 And then when it got to the octagon, immediately he's talking shit. 1.00

01:44:55.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

01:44:55.000 And you could see Anderson was just so not comfortable being the guy that gets shit-talked to. 1.00

01:45:00.000 And I was telling him, keep talking, like, I was saying, I think I said fucking with him, but like, keep fucking with him. 1.00

01:45:04.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:45:05.000 Because when Nick stopped fucking with him in the later rounds, Anderson started doing a lot better, you know? 0.98

01:45:10.000 No doubt. 0.96

01:45:11.000 I think it was definitely, you know, the mind game and the...

01:45:15.000 I think it was a really good strategy that he did come up through that.

01:45:18.000 He said in the back that he was going to do something like that.

01:45:23.000 I had no idea he was going to lay down and put his hands like that.

01:45:27.000 Well, he probably didn't even know before he did that.

01:45:29.000 I think he just knew if he doesn't want to engage, I think he said, I'm going to flip that switch.

01:45:36.000 I didn't realize that was the switch he was talking about, but God, was it awesome.

01:45:40.000 And really, like, It's hard, like, you know, there's an article that just came out that said, it was called The Sober Replay, like, The Sober Thought, like, when you watch a fight after, you know, like, the next day or whatever. 0.98

01:45:52.000 And when we were in the corner, you know, we were yelling instructions, but between Gilbert and Nate Diaz and Cesar Gracie and I, all of us were just sitting there like, this guy's such a fucking beast.

01:46:03.000 Like, we were so, like, blown away by what he was doing. 0.92

01:46:06.000 We were just so impressed, and, you know, I was really proud of him.

01:46:10.000 I was Well, especially first time fighting at 185, too.

01:46:13.000 He steps up and fights the greatest ever at 185. After a two-year layoff.

01:46:17.000 Yeah.

01:46:17.000 Two-year layoff where he's not, you know, just really not pursuing any fights at all.

01:46:22.000 Just, you know, made a shitload of money off the George St. Pierre fight and just laid back and...

01:46:27.000 We're good to go.

01:46:45.000 And then to do so well, I mean, the judges scored cards and they gave all five rounds to Anderson, but every one of those rounds were very competitive, except the fourth.

01:46:54.000 I think Nick took off the fourth round, but every one of those rounds I thought was really competitive and really close.

01:46:58.000 He was competitive enough, and especially if you consider the other fights that Anderson has been in.

01:47:02.000 Right.

01:47:03.000 I think that's probably also, you know, they say, like, you have to beat the champion, you know, so to speak.

01:47:07.000 I felt like you have to really beat this underdog, and I didn't feel like Anderson did that much. 0.99

01:47:12.000 He really didn't whoop Nick's ass. 0.99

01:47:14.000 He won. 1.00

01:47:15.000 I feel like he won. 1.00

01:47:16.000 I feel like he played it safe as fuck. 1.00

01:47:18.000 He threw some wild shit. 1.00

01:47:21.000 He threw a wheel kick at one point in time, but there was no moment in time where he was treating Nick the way Nick treated him. 1.00

01:47:28.000 You know where he was like come on bitch like let's do this Let's do this, you know like stood in front of him. 1.00

01:47:33.000 He just wasn't ready for that I mean the psychological aspect also having a guy like Nick taught you if Nick knocked him out like what if he was taunting him and then all sudden boom Nick catches and he's down like that would just be Devastating and he just was not prepared for that or Nick lays on the ground and he jumps into you know Nick's garden is trying to triangles yeah Anything can fucking happen in MMA and a guy like Anderson knows it as much as anybody now and Especially after it happened to him. 0.95

01:47:59.000 I think also, too, the pressure of competing at that high level and being the champ for as long as Anderson was.

01:48:06.000 I remember when BJ Penn beat Matt Hughes, and I talked to Matt Hughes after it was over, and he was really honest about it.

01:48:12.000 In the cage, he said, honestly, it's a relief. 0.92

01:48:15.000 Being the champion is a lot of fucking stress. 0.96

01:48:18.000 He didn't swear, but he was like, it's a relief. 0.96

01:48:22.000 I'm glad I got this weight lifted off my back and I'm going to go back and relax and see what's up.

01:48:26.000 That's kind of the impression I got from George when I was talking to George.

01:48:30.000 He does the same way.

01:48:31.000 It's extremely...

01:48:32.000 There's a ton of pressure to be a champion for that long.

01:48:37.000 Everybody wants you.

01:48:39.000 Everybody calls you out.

01:48:40.000 Everybody wants to fight you.

01:48:42.000 Everybody attacks your character.

01:48:43.000 It's got to get pretty old.

01:48:45.000 And Nick was talking about that the other day in his post-wide interview.

01:48:47.000 He's like, you know, I kind of wish I fell off and people would stop talking about me.

01:48:52.000 Well, he's such an enigma.

01:48:54.000 You know, there's no one like Nick Diaz.

01:48:56.000 He's such an unusual character.

01:48:57.000 He really is.

01:48:59.000 I mean, I'm good friends with him, and I really have no fucking idea what's going on in his head 90% of the time, which actually makes it really fun sometimes, you know?

01:49:07.000 How often are you training with him?

01:49:09.000 I was training with him a lot for the Melvin fight until my dad died.

01:49:12.000 I left his pad to go to the funeral and all that stuff.

01:49:17.000 But yeah, I go up there pretty regularly.

01:49:19.000 And when Nick is in between camps, is he training on a regular basis?

01:49:24.000 Does he still do everything?

01:49:26.000 Or is he just relaxing?

01:49:28.000 What has he been doing over the two years?

01:49:30.000 Yeah, when I had the Last Man Standing tournament, That was back in June or July.

01:49:37.000 I don't think he had booked the Anderson fight yet.

01:49:40.000 He still was running with me.

01:49:41.000 I'm training for the hardest fight of my life.

01:49:44.000 I've run six and a half miles.

01:49:45.000 He's pushing me.

01:49:46.000 I'm trying to keep up with him. 0.92

01:49:48.000 He runs at a ridiculous pace. 0.98

01:49:50.000 He runs at an insane pace. 0.99

01:49:52.000 Does that fuck with your explosion at all? 0.98

01:49:55.000 Like, there's some people that believe that all that slow running and slow twitch endurance type work, that it can actually fuck with your explosion. 0.93

01:50:05.000 Nick kind of disagree with me, but I think it does.

01:50:06.000 I think that him, Nick, and Nate both are not the most explosive people when it comes to their movement patterns or whatever.

01:50:14.000 I feel like with me doing more, I do a lot more sprint work than I do long distance kind of stuff.

01:50:20.000 But also, that's more of their style.

01:50:23.000 They're very technical with their stuff.

01:50:25.000 They don't use a lot of strength. 0.99

01:50:26.000 And both of them will wear you out and then whoop your ass afterwards. 1.00

01:50:33.000 Right. 1.00

01:50:33.000 Both of them have beat the piss out of me from just being durable as shit. 1.00

01:50:37.000 And I'm throwing and throwing and throwing and throwing and throwing. 0.99

01:50:39.000 And I'm like, holy fuck, I'm tired. 1.00

01:50:40.000 And then they say, but motherfucker, yeah. 1.00

01:50:42.000 And they start talking shit. 1.00

01:50:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:50:44.000 Once you're tired, they start talking shit? 1.00

01:50:46.000 Well, just the whole time, you know. 1.00

01:50:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:50:48.000 The whole time you're sparring, you talk shit. 1.00

01:50:50.000 Like, what's he saying? 1.00

01:50:51.000 Oh, you know, uh, I don't know, come on, shit like that. 0.96

01:50:54.000 Nick, when, um, let's see, when the, uh, for this last fight we were sparring, and Nick did, I think it was when the UFC was filming it, um, Nick had done, like, nine five-minute rounds with fresh guys. 0.93

01:51:06.000 It was, like, me, Chidi, and Jaquani I had brought in to spar with him, and then, um, another guy.

01:51:10.000 And like the last round I could tell that he was tired and was kind of like clenching me up against the fence and was like holding or whatever.

01:51:15.000 And I'm like, come on, Nick, let's go.

01:51:17.000 Kind of like motivating him. 1.00

01:51:18.000 He's like, fuck you, motherfucker. 1.00

01:51:19.000 And I started to whoop my ass. 1.00

01:51:21.000 But like, you know, the other thing about Nick, as mentioned, is like sometimes it's a lot better, which I agree with. 0.99

01:51:28.000 It's a lot better sometimes to spar with people you don't know instead of like your buddy.

01:51:32.000 You know, you get, you go a little harder or you get a little more competitive with somebody you don't know. 0.95

01:51:36.000 And like when Nick and I first started, I mean, he used to, It'd be a lot more competitive with me, and now we're pretty good friends, so I find myself talking shit to him or trying to piss him off or hit him hard to get him to push a little harder. 0.95

01:51:50.000 That's interesting. 0.83

01:51:51.000 So it replicates an actual competition more in that way than it does light sparring with your friends.

01:51:57.000 Right.

01:51:58.000 I mean, I think there's different times, different stuff.

01:52:01.000 I'm at the point now where I don't feel like I don't have to win in sparring.

01:52:07.000 I can work on other things.

01:52:08.000 I can work on my defense.

01:52:09.000 I'll work on stuff.

01:52:10.000 Whereas I used to be like, I have to win in sparring.

01:52:12.000 If I lost a round in sparring, I was really upset about it.

01:52:15.000 But like Nick...

01:52:17.000 How do I say this?

01:52:20.000 Like with Nick, yeah, sometimes he'll coast with this camp.

01:52:26.000 He was coasting in some of the rounds, or if I put him in there with somebody that wasn't that hard, he would not do so well, and we'd just kind of go at the level of the person he was going with.

01:52:35.000 So I found that... 1.00

01:52:38.000 You know, I would tell the people to hit him a lot fucking harder, almost try to piss him off, talk shit to him. 1.00

01:52:42.000 Right, right. 0.99

01:52:42.000 I tried my best, like Anderson Silva, come on, come on, like, impressions with when we were sparring. 0.99

01:52:47.000 His kicking was a lot better in this fight than we'd ever seen it before.

01:52:51.000 Is that all you?

01:52:51.000 Was it, Joe?

01:52:52.000 You know, there's a lot of people, interviews people, some guy, some interview guy, I forget who it was, but he was like, you know, how do you feel about this fight with Nick?

01:53:01.000 You know, looking at Nate's last performance, you know, I was trying to compare, like, Nate versus Nick. 0.98

01:53:09.000 Like, well, if Nate didn't do so good against Dos Anjos, then, you know, and I'm like, how the fuck? 0.93

01:53:13.000 That's MMA math. 0.99

01:53:14.000 It's two fucking completely different people. 0.97

01:53:16.000 Yeah, two different opponents, two different people, two different weight classes. 0.97

01:53:20.000 But, yeah, a lot of times the people have complained that both of them don't block kicks very well, and their understanding of kickboxing is a little different.

01:53:27.000 So, like, for me as, like, a coach, so to speak, in this camp, I was trying to put and bring in the best possible sparring partners I could for them, so I brought in Artem Levin, I brought in Chidi and Jaquani who was sparring with me.

01:53:40.000 I believe, and I got a lot of flack for this, I believe all three of those people are better kickboxers than Anderson Silva.

01:53:46.000 Being that they're kickboxers and Anderson Silva is an MMA fighter, so it's not a knock on Anderson Silva, I just think that those are very high level.

01:53:55.000 Well, it's just a reality.

01:53:56.000 It's reality, you know what I'm saying?

01:53:58.000 I mean, Anderson has had spectacular striking moments in MMA, but when it comes to his actual real-world kickboxing experience, it's fairly limited.

01:54:06.000 He's had nearly as many fights, especially in world-class competition.

01:54:13.000 But it was like, you know, Artem has a very confident, Head movement.

01:54:20.000 He's very elusive.

01:54:22.000 Very sneaky, that guy.

01:54:23.000 Similar traits that Anderson has, but at a higher level.

01:54:26.000 I think I hit a lot harder than Anderson.

01:54:29.000 I'm a little more aggressive.

01:54:31.000 Things that I do well, translated well in Nick, as far as the looks and the feelings.

01:54:37.000 With Chidi and Jaquani, he's got phenomenal movement.

01:54:40.000 He looks similar to Anderson.

01:54:44.000 He's got like four inch longer reach than Anderson, but he has very, very similar movement patterns and the things that he does.

01:54:50.000 So my thing was...

01:54:51.000 You know, and Nick didn't necessarily beat any of us in any of that.

01:54:55.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:55.000 But he got used to seeing those situations so that when it happened, when Anderson threw that spinning heel kick, Nick was prepared for it and moved out of the way.

01:55:04.000 Most of the kicks he blocked, you know, Nick threw a lot more kicks than he usually does.

01:55:08.000 Way more.

01:55:09.000 So his awareness of kickboxing had showed, you know, and that was...

01:55:13.000 I didn't know how the fight was going to go, but I felt a lot of responsibility as far as if Nick got caught with something, some kick or some kickboxing move, I felt like I was going to be my fault, but I didn't show him.

01:55:24.000 Now, were you holding pads with him?

01:55:25.000 I was holding pads for him, too.

01:55:26.000 So you were working on his combinations?

01:55:28.000 Like that left leg kick was big.

01:55:31.000 He landed more leg kicks on Anderson than anybody had ever done before.

01:55:35.000 If you go back and watch Anderson's fights, nobody landed like that.

01:55:38.000 That left leg kick over and over again, he landed that.

01:55:41.000 And I don't think Anderson expected that.

01:55:43.000 Right.

01:55:43.000 You know, Anderson stands southpaw so that right leg's exposed, and Nick landed that left leg kick over and over again.

01:55:51.000 Yeah, there was something that we'd worked on was just him throwing kicks and being more comfortable with kicks.

01:55:55.000 I've always tried to get him to kick more, but it was something where...

01:55:59.000 He's a lot more confident with his hands.

01:56:01.000 He's had more experience with his hands.

01:56:03.000 Sometimes if you don't kick enough, someone's forcing you to kick all the time in the gym.

01:56:08.000 You get tired when you throw a kick.

01:56:09.000 If I'm used to boxing all the time and I throw one or two kicks, it's like going for a takedown.

01:56:14.000 I'm tired.

01:56:14.000 I wanted to make sure that he felt...

01:56:16.000 It felt good.

01:56:18.000 We worked on some elbows from the clinch.

01:56:20.000 I thought he did really well against Anderson in the clinch, especially if you look at how Rich Franklin did.

01:56:26.000 So my goal wasn't to make Nick a high-level kickboxer.

01:56:29.000 It was just to make his awareness of kickboxing and his defense.

01:56:33.000 I think it showed a lot.

01:56:36.000 No, it definitely did.

01:56:37.000 Now, does Nick do any weightlifting?

01:56:39.000 Does he do any strength and conditioning stuff?

01:56:41.000 For this fight, he did.

01:56:42.000 But again, it's not, it wasn't that heavy, but he worked his way up and he did start weightlifting for that.

01:56:50.000 And I think he put on, you know, he still was like right around 200 when he was walking around for the fight.

01:56:57.000 You know, he was by no means like 205 or 210. That's still heavy for him.

01:57:02.000 He made a hit 205. For him, that's pretty heavy though, isn't it?

01:57:06.000 Yeah, it is.

01:57:07.000 And I thought that when Fight Week came and he cut the weight, he had a pretty easy weight cut.

01:57:11.000 I think he dropped like 10 pounds of water.

01:57:13.000 I want to say he got in the ring probably around 195. But, like, you could see he was definitely bigger than he was.

01:57:20.000 But it was, like, solid weight.

01:57:21.000 It wasn't like somebody blew up and, you know...

01:57:23.000 Like when BJ Penn fought Machida or something like that.

01:57:26.000 It was all sloppy.

01:57:28.000 Right.

01:57:28.000 So is Nick going to compete again?

01:57:30.000 Or what is his thoughts after this fight?

01:57:33.000 Probably said it four times on this show, Joe.

01:57:35.000 I'll say it again. 0.99

01:57:35.000 I really have no fucking idea what's going on in his head. 0.99

01:57:38.000 I hope he does. 0.98

01:57:39.000 I think we, you know, there was some stuff that...

01:57:42.000 One of the problems that we had in the fight was, it was the first time I had ever cornered Nick.

01:57:47.000 And when I was yelling stuff at him, he didn't recognize my voice.

01:57:50.000 Really?

01:57:51.000 So a lot of the stuff I was saying, he told me after, he was like, oh, that was you? 0.99

01:57:53.000 And I was like, who the fuck? 1.00

01:57:55.000 I wasn't screaming fucking Portuguese. 1.00

01:57:57.000 And he was like, fuck, I didn't know if that was, you know? 1.00

01:58:02.000 But yeah, I think we could do even better. 0.99

01:58:02.000 That's funny. 0.99

01:58:03.000 And I think he did great.

01:58:06.000 I think he did some really exciting matchups for him.

01:58:09.000 I'd like to see him rematch Carlos Condon.

01:58:11.000 I think that'd be a huge fight.

01:58:12.000 I'd love to watch.

01:58:12.000 That would be a great fight.

01:58:13.000 I'd like to see him rematch.

01:58:15.000 You know, Robbie Lawler would be huge.

01:58:17.000 You know, maybe he beats Carlos and then that gives him a title shot.

01:58:20.000 Maybe Danny gives him a title shot.

01:58:21.000 I don't really know.

01:58:21.000 I'm just guessing.

01:58:22.000 I love those two fights.

01:58:24.000 I think that would be fantastic.

01:58:25.000 If he comes back after a two-year layoff or whatever it is, if he does decide to come back, I think that's another awesome fight.

01:58:30.000 Nick says he wants the big fights.

01:58:31.000 He's obviously a marquee fighter.

01:58:33.000 I think that there's a lot of really exciting matchups for him.

01:58:36.000 Well, I think this fight only raised his profile.

01:58:39.000 I think so, too.

01:58:39.000 I think he did a fantastic job against the greatest of all time.

01:58:42.000 It's him and Fedor.

01:58:43.000 Those are the two arguments of who's the greatest of all time.

01:58:45.000 It's Anderson and Fedor.

01:58:50.000 There's no right answer.

01:58:52.000 Fedor had some amazing fights in Pride, but the problem is those guys that he fought, they came over from Pride and they fought in the UFC. They didn't look nearly as good.

01:59:01.000 So what is that?

01:59:02.000 Is that because Fedor beat them up?

01:59:03.000 Is it because they're not on steroids anymore?

01:59:05.000 Is it because they weren't that good in the first place?

01:59:07.000 Is it their shop-worn?

01:59:09.000 Is it the cage?

01:59:10.000 Right.

01:59:10.000 There's all these different questions.

01:59:11.000 But those are the two guys that, in my opinion, I go with Anderson, mostly because I've seen him live, and I think that the level of competition that he faced is probably a little higher.

01:59:22.000 But it's an argument that I could see.

01:59:24.000 When people say Fedor was the greatest of all time, I'm like, yeah, I could see your argument.

01:59:28.000 I'm not 100% against it.

01:59:30.000 But to go five rounds like Nick did, being a guy who fought his original career at 155...

01:59:39.000 Amazing. 0.98

01:59:39.000 I mean, he fought fucking Diego Sanchez at 155. And he fought a lot. 0.98

01:59:43.000 Sean Shirk, 155. And fights Anderson, 30 pounds heavier, and it's very competitive.

01:59:47.000 That was his sixth or seventh fight where somebody he, where his opponent was either at one time a UFC champion or went on to become a UFC champion.

01:59:56.000 He fought six or seven of those guys in his career.

01:59:59.000 That's amazing.

02:00:00.000 That's amazing, right?

02:00:01.000 Push that thing up to your face so I can hear you better.

02:00:03.000 Sorry.

02:00:04.000 And then when I was going through his...

02:00:07.000 I was looking at the opponents and the strikers that Anderson had fought in his career, and then I was looking at the strikers and the opponents that Nick had fought in his career, and it was just from my own curiosity.

02:00:17.000 But, like, Nick fought straight with his hitters at their best, you know?

02:00:23.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:23.000 Paul Daly.

02:00:24.000 Paul Daly, when Robbie Lawler was a monster, you know, at his best.

02:00:30.000 Or now he's got a new best, I'm not sure.

02:00:32.000 I think he's at his best now.

02:00:33.000 Yeah.

02:00:33.000 And then Chris Lytle, you know...

02:00:36.000 A lot of really, really good strikers when they were...

02:00:39.000 The Japanese guy, when he fought him in pride.

02:00:43.000 Gomi.

02:00:44.000 Gomi. 1.00

02:00:45.000 Geez, Gomi was knocking the shit out of everybody. 1.00

02:00:47.000 So Nick has always taken those really tough fights.

02:00:50.000 Whether people love him or hate him, no one can ever say that Nick doesn't fought his way to get where he is.

02:00:55.000 No doubt.

02:00:56.000 It's really impressive.

02:00:56.000 No, he's a very good, very good fighter.

02:00:58.000 It's just one of those things where... 0.94

02:01:01.000 I just feel like right now is a great time for him if he wants to like follow through right now if he really wants to Remain active and jump right back in and there's so many marquee battles for him I would love to see Nick versus Hector Lombard you want to talk about I mean what the fuck would happen to Hector Lombard if Nick starts talking shit to him like that you know and it's a great fight Hector's a monster Matt Brown would be an awesome fight too.

02:01:25.000 There's a lot of really exciting fights for him at 170, and I'm sure there are some at 185 as well.

02:01:33.000 There's some good fights for him.

02:01:35.000 Now that watching him against Anderson Silva, there's not really a A weight class I wouldn't want to see him fight at.

02:01:40.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:40.000 Yeah.

02:01:41.000 Heavyweight.

02:01:42.000 No higher than 185. I think he could fight all those guys.

02:01:44.000 Yeah, I think he could go back and forth between 70 and 185 if he wanted to.

02:01:47.000 And it's funny that people are watching that fight and they're like, oh, Anderson.

02:01:51.000 Let's see Anderson retire.

02:01:53.000 He's not the same person anymore.

02:01:55.000 Nobody's saying that about Nick and that's after a two-year layoff.

02:01:58.000 It's true.

02:01:58.000 Which is really impressive.

02:01:59.000 Well, people are concerned about Anderson, first of all, that, you know, after the fight was over, to watch him, like, weeping like that is also one of the reasons why people are concerned.

02:02:09.000 You know, they're like, Jesus Christ, like, this is, like, the pressure on this guy must have been tremendous.

02:02:14.000 Right.

02:02:15.000 He's 39 years old.

02:02:16.000 I've come back from knee surgeries before, and, like, that must have been such a really challenging thing, to come back from all that and, you know...

02:02:27.000 Maybe he wasn't crying because he was...

02:02:30.000 I don't know why he was crying, but I'm sure that was a lot emotional to go through.

02:02:35.000 And to come back after being knocked out and basically humiliated.

02:02:38.000 And then your next fight again, you get your legs shattered and you're out for another year.

02:02:42.000 It's a lot of pressure on somebody.

02:02:45.000 And maybe those are just tears of joy or pride or whatever it was.

02:02:49.000 Right.

02:02:49.000 Well, the second fight, what disturbed me wasn't even the leg snap.

02:02:53.000 I mean, the leg snap was disturbing, but I'd seen that before.

02:02:56.000 What disturbed me was how easy he went down on a clinch.

02:02:59.000 He got clinched up, and Wideman hit him with the right hand, and his body just gave out.

02:03:04.000 I was like, I don't like that. 0.99

02:03:05.000 Because if you go back and you watch Anderson's younger days, he took a fucking tremendous punch. 0.95

02:03:11.000 You go back, watch him versus, was it Jorge Oliveira? 0.97

02:03:16.000 Yeah.

02:03:17.000 And he gets cracked with Jorge Rivera.

02:03:22.000 It was Jorge Rivera, not Oliveira.

02:03:24.000 George Rivera.

02:03:25.000 Yeah, Jorge, right?

02:03:27.000 Whatever he calls it.

02:03:28.000 It was a big puncher.

02:03:30.000 He's a big puncher.

02:03:31.000 And Anderson stood in front of him and let him tee off on him.

02:03:34.000 It was weird. 0.99

02:03:35.000 And then he was, like, smiling at him and then fucked him up afterwards. 0.98

02:03:39.000 You know, the Lee Murray fight. 0.98

02:03:41.000 He got tagged by Lee Murray. 1.00

02:03:42.000 And Lee Murray's a fucking murderous puncher. 1.00

02:03:44.000 Fine. 1.00

02:03:45.000 You know, no problems at all.

02:03:47.000 It's just one of those things where when it goes, it goes.

02:03:50.000 Yeah.

02:03:51.000 That's true.

02:03:52.000 And that was something else that we were looking at, like, in the camp, you know, we were looking at...

02:03:59.000 We were obviously concerned of how Nick was going to react in the clinch with...

02:04:04.000 With Anderson after seeing Anderson's fight with Rich Franklin, you know?

02:04:08.000 And then watching the fight over again with Weidman, I was like, I want you to punch from there.

02:04:13.000 Just start throwing punches and cross-face to get out of that clinch. 0.96

02:04:16.000 You see how easily Nick was able to get out of it and how well it worked for Weidman.

02:04:21.000 With Rich Franklin, he had really no idea what to do there, you know?

02:04:26.000 Yeah, Rich was at a loss when it came to that.

02:04:30.000 He's a very tough guy and a very well-conditioned guy, but I don't think he was the most technical when it came to certain aspects of fighting.

02:04:38.000 But he came up in a different era.

02:04:41.000 And that was my goal when it came to bringing in the sparring partners and putting him in those situations.

02:04:47.000 Rich Franklin obviously is capable of doing A lot of different things in that clinch.

02:04:50.000 He just had never been in that situation.

02:04:52.000 His training partners didn't expect it and prepared him for that. 1.00

02:04:56.000 And once Anderson hits you with a few of those knees, you're kind of fucked. 1.00

02:05:00.000 Oh yeah. 1.00

02:05:01.000 And then what you're gonna do If no one's ever taught you anything other, it was like, oh shit, don't leave me there again. 0.99

02:05:07.000 And then bang, it hits your face. 0.99

02:05:09.000 Yeah, he didn't know how to control the hips.

02:05:10.000 He didn't know what to do.

02:05:13.000 He was new school.

02:05:15.000 He was like the new era in 2003. That's what Franklin was.

02:05:19.000 He was like the new era of athletes, supremely conditioned.

02:05:22.000 I remember they used to show on those countdown shows, they'd show his training, his workout routine.

02:05:27.000 It was brilliant.

02:05:28.000 Brutal.

02:05:29.000 I mean nobody worked out back then as hard as Rich Franklin did.

02:05:29.000 Yeah.

02:05:32.000 He was huge for 185. Giant.

02:05:34.000 What was that Hawaiian League he used to fight in before UFC? It was like Super Brawl or whatever.

02:05:39.000 He was like 225 champion.

02:05:41.000 He was a heavyweight.

02:05:42.000 He was a big guy.

02:05:43.000 He was really thick.

02:05:44.000 And when he went down to 185, I mean, it was a struggle.

02:05:49.000 The first few fights at 185 before he figured out how to dial it in perfectly, it was a struggle.

02:05:55.000 That's the weird thing about what we were talking about before, the weight cutting, like when it's too much, what's not enough.

02:06:02.000 And then he was the guy to retire Chuck Liddell at 2.05, so nobody saw that coming.

02:06:09.000 If you ever thought that Rich Franklin was going to knock Chuck Liddell dead, who thought that was going to happen?

02:06:14.000 And what a weird fluke shot.

02:06:16.000 Not a fluke, I mean, obviously.

02:06:17.000 He probably meant to do it, but the way that Chuck went down, it wasn't like, you've seen Chuck get hit with way harder shots than that.

02:06:22.000 Yeah.

02:06:23.000 That was just a sign.

02:06:24.000 Once it's gone, it's gone.

02:06:26.000 He got tagged earlier in the round, too, that I think contributed to that.

02:06:31.000 He got hit with some big shots earlier in the round where you could see he got dinged.

02:06:37.000 Dana and I actually talked about it before, and he said he felt like Chuck was hurt early in the round.

02:06:43.000 And, you know, that was just the one that just put him away, was the one that landed.

02:06:47.000 It was crazy that Rich was, he hit him with a broken arm.

02:06:50.000 You know, he hit him with the right hand, and then after the right hand, he hit him with his left, and his left had been snapped earlier in the fight. 0.99

02:06:57.000 He didn't even, you know, just threw punches and didn't even realize it, and after the fight, he realized, oh, shit, what the fuck's going on with this thing? 0.95

02:07:05.000 That's a common thing in kickboxing though, isn't it? 0.99

02:07:08.000 Yeah.

02:07:08.000 Blocking those kicks on the forearm.

02:07:10.000 Yeah, taking kicks on the arm.

02:07:13.000 There's a way you can do it though.

02:07:15.000 A lot of people, and another thing I was explaining to Nick in this camp is somebody along the line told Nick to block your holding pads this way.

02:07:24.000 So that exposes your forearm, like the bone on bone.

02:07:30.000 If you keep this inside, you're going to take it on the meat of the arm, the meat of your other arm, and then you put one hand here.

02:07:36.000 So this doesn't hurt nearly as bad as going here.

02:07:39.000 There, it's bone on bone, and the shin's going to win against the ulna or whatever bone there is every time. 0.98

02:07:46.000 It's so weird when you watch a guy's shit get broken, like the Tyrone Spong-Kokan Saki fight. 0.97

02:07:52.000 Especially when a guy like Spong is just such a high-level kickboxer. 0.99

02:07:56.000 You watch him throw a kick and then you see his leg just go noodle, just snap.

02:08:00.000 So awful.

02:08:01.000 And then I think Jerome LeBanner had broke.

02:08:06.000 Saki's arm back in K1 once in the past, too.

02:08:09.000 Well, remember when Gokhan Saki fought against Alistair Overeem in the finals?

02:08:13.000 His arm was shot!

02:08:15.000 Yeah, that's what it was. 0.98

02:08:16.000 He got hit and his arm was fucked up before, you know, that fight even started. 1.00

02:08:21.000 And he threw like one more kick and he was like, no, fuck. 1.00

02:08:23.000 Yeah, he was done. 0.99

02:08:24.000 And the arm was done.

02:08:25.000 Yeah.

02:08:26.000 The bones, there's just nothing that makes them any tougher than, you know, you're born with a certain amount of bone density and you can lift weights and they'll get thicker and a little bit stronger, but...

02:08:37.000 So someone was telling me that, because usually all of the guys that I can remember that I've seen where they're breaking their legs were always black guys.

02:08:45.000 You notice this? 0.84

02:08:46.000 Wow.

02:08:46.000 And somebody was telling me that, I think you can Google it, that there is a...

02:08:51.000 There was actually a study done by it that vitamin D, I think it's D3, like something that we get from the sun.

02:08:58.000 The darker skin people have almost like a filter of it and they don't absorb as much as it. 0.97

02:09:06.000 But it was like Corey Hill, Tyrone Spong, Anderson Silva, Danny Beal back in the day. 0.58

02:09:12.000 Almost every person I can think of that had their legs snapped in kickboxing was a black guy. 1.00

02:09:16.000 I've definitely seen white guys online get their legs snapped in kickboxing. 0.96

02:09:20.000 I'm sure white dudes are just as vulnerable.

02:09:23.000 I think it's just a luck thing.

02:09:24.000 Somebody told me that and I googled it and sure enough there was a study done on it that your darker skin tone works as a filter and you don't absorb as much.

02:09:33.000 I think it was D3. That's weird because I guess the more melanin acts as sunscreen.

02:09:38.000 Maybe it was melanin.

02:09:39.000 Something like that.

02:09:41.000 That's interesting.

02:09:42.000 I don't know about all that.

02:09:43.000 I couldn't believe it.

02:09:44.000 Joe Rogan's like, Joe Schilling is the most gullible man.

02:09:46.000 He just throws out facts.

02:09:48.000 That's what everybody does on this show.

02:09:50.000 I do it all the time, too.

02:09:52.000 But I did Google that one.

02:09:53.000 That one is true.

02:09:54.000 But African Americans tend to have thicker bone density.

02:09:58.000 See, I think it was the exact opposite is what that said.

02:10:01.000 Yeah, that's not true.

02:10:02.000 They definitely have more bone density.

02:10:04.000 Because, in fact, African American women tend to have a similar bone density as European males. 0.99

02:10:11.000 Really?

02:10:11.000 Yeah.

02:10:12.000 Africans have thicker bone density in general.

02:10:16.000 But you've got to realize that varies with strength training.

02:10:19.000 When they do that with people, a lot of times you're not testing people that are lifting weights.

02:10:24.000 When you lift weights, your bone density increases dramatically, especially with people who do power lifting. 0.99

02:10:32.000 You know, like, their fucking jaws get wider. 0.99

02:10:35.000 You know, their head gets thicker. 1.00

02:10:36.000 It's because your body, your whole body is dealing with...

02:10:39.000 There's a little bit of that going on, too.

02:10:41.000 Power lifters are a little bigger.

02:10:41.000 Yeah.

02:10:44.000 But even if you're natural, just carrying, you know, just lifting very heavy things forces your body to go, oh, this motherfucker. 0.99

02:10:52.000 What are we doing with our body here? 0.99

02:10:54.000 You know, your body's pretty adaptable, man.

02:10:56.000 Yeah.

02:10:57.000 I mean, look at people that are yogis that can get into all these crazy positions, and they're not born that way.

02:11:02.000 They're just slowly stretching themselves into that position.

02:11:06.000 You know, and that's the flexibility of your muscles.

02:11:09.000 It's the density of your bones.

02:11:11.000 The body will adapt to stress.

02:11:14.000 The more you give it, the more it sort of tries to conform to this new work that you're asking it to do.

02:11:20.000 Right, and then, like, kicking pads and kickboxing, for sure.

02:11:23.000 Our bones get thicker.

02:11:24.000 Oh, yeah.

02:11:25.000 Like, the micro, whatever.

02:11:27.000 Well, they also say when you're kicking, like shin on shin all the time, what you're also doing is you get these deposits of blood and it fills up and calcifies and, you know, all the bruises when it heals, those micro fractures and tiny,

02:11:43.000 you're getting all this calcification.

02:11:45.000 It almost leads to like a shin instep protector, you know, all over your shin.

02:11:51.000 Like, you ever see that fight in Lion Fight or Malapet?

02:11:53.000 Just starts, he kicks this guy, and you see the guy react, and so he just starts going shin to shin with him, just winging his shins, and I'm laughing at the guy, because Malapet's shins have just been numb since he was like six. 0.66

02:12:06.000 Yeah.

02:12:06.000 He's got over like 400 fights, I think.

02:12:08.000 Yeah, ridiculous. 0.98

02:12:09.000 But it's almost like he's got armor on his shins, and he's just smashing them into the other guy's shins and laughing at him while he's doing that. 0.99

02:12:16.000 Because his shins all just fucking covered this layer of protection that's been built up. 0.99

02:12:23.000 Like knuckles, like those dudes, those karate makiwara guys. 0.99

02:12:27.000 Right, right.

02:12:27.000 I had a guy like that in my gym.

02:12:29.000 Does that fuck your hands up, though? 0.99

02:12:32.000 Because I would think that, like... 0.99

02:12:33.000 I would think so.

02:12:34.000 I mean, I used to tell him all the time, like, bro, you wear gloves.

02:12:37.000 You wrap your hands. 1.00

02:12:37.000 What the fuck is the point of that shit? 1.00

02:12:39.000 Like, kick that thing if you're going to do it. 1.00

02:12:40.000 Like, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

02:12:42.000 But he was, like, on some, like, samurai type shit. 1.00

02:12:42.000 You know? 1.00

02:12:45.000 But yeah, his knuckles would just be...

02:12:48.000 You know, like, just crazy calcified.

02:12:50.000 I mean, you might have pretty big knuckles now, too, but...

02:12:53.000 Yeah, I don't...

02:12:53.000 I would think that, like, your hand would not work properly.

02:12:56.000 You're gonna have arthritis and shit. 0.99

02:12:57.000 That's what I would be worried about, the arthritis. 1.00

02:13:00.000 My friend John, he used to do that shit. 0.99

02:13:02.000 He used to break bricks in those karate demonstrations and shit, but he would always practice, like, hitting the makiwara. 1.00

02:13:08.000 And his, uh... 0.96

02:13:09.000 Makiwara is just like this, for folks who don't understand, it's like a 2x4 that's wrapped with rope.

02:13:14.000 And they lock it into the ground so it's real stiff, and they would pound this 2x4 with a rope until you develop all this calcification and all this calluses all over the top of your knuckle where it's like one big knuckle.

02:13:30.000 The first two knuckles become one big giant knuckle.

02:13:33.000 But does that help your hands protect you from getting injured?

02:13:39.000 I don't.

02:13:40.000 It seems like it would.

02:13:41.000 I think most of the time the injuries that happen in boxing or in fighting is usually these bones.

02:13:46.000 The small ones towards the pinky and the next finger, right?

02:13:49.000 They're not protected as much, right?

02:13:51.000 Well, like this is actually, if you break this and you go to the doctor, they're going to call it a boxer's fracture.

02:13:56.000 It's that common that it's...

02:13:57.000 I broke mine when I was a kid.

02:13:58.000 But these are usually the bones that break...

02:14:00.000 But usually they say you want to hit with these two bones, because these two bones line up directly with your wrist, and these two are kind of on an angle, so it's a lot easier to break these two.

02:14:09.000 Yeah, especially considering how your hand's built.

02:14:15.000 If they have a more narrow hand, maybe it would be more protected by the outside edge, but mine sticks out on the side.

02:14:22.000 Yeah, it's like a weird thing, man.

02:14:23.000 The hand's just not designed to punch people.

02:14:25.000 Speaking of which, Nick's is gnarly.

02:14:27.000 Nick has this crazy knot right here on his...

02:14:30.000 I saw it the other day, and it was on both sides. 0.99

02:14:32.000 I'm like, what the fuck is that? 0.98

02:14:33.000 Probably broke it and never did anything about it. 0.99

02:14:35.000 Yeah, you know?

02:14:35.000 Just nut.

02:14:36.000 Probably broke it, just let it heal on its own.

02:14:38.000 It's like this crazy, lifted-up thing right here in the center of his hands, on the top of his hands.

02:14:45.000 That's probably not good.

02:14:47.000 That guy's got some scar tissue, man.

02:14:49.000 Yeah, he's got some scar tissue. 1.00

02:14:50.000 He's been through some fucking wars. 0.99

02:14:52.000 Looking beautiful. 1.00

02:14:52.000 But look at you, man. 1.00

02:14:53.000 31 years of age.

02:14:55.000 I mean, if people didn't know you, they would never think you're a professional kickboxer.

02:14:59.000 I've had a few cuts and scratches.

02:14:59.000 It's true.

02:15:01.000 I've had both sides of my eyes.

02:15:05.000 I've had a cut under both eyes.

02:15:08.000 Never broke my nose, although Simon Marcus, and I think our first fight, he had slammed me, tripped me, and landed on top of me and knocked me.

02:15:15.000 I was out of it.

02:15:16.000 And I stand up and I'm walking in the wrong direction, and the ref wasn't paying attention and said fight, and I just got blasted two more times.

02:15:22.000 But after that fight, one of the things he finished me with was a push kick to the face, and after that fight, all of the cartilage inside my nose, like this ball or whatever, is not...

02:15:31.000 Doesn't sit right anymore.

02:15:32.000 It's like a little crooked because of this.

02:15:35.000 Can't fix it.

02:15:35.000 Does it breathe?

02:15:36.000 Can you breathe out of your nose?

02:15:37.000 Yeah, I can breathe out of both though.

02:15:38.000 That's good.

02:15:39.000 But it's like if I stick my finger in this part, it is space.

02:15:42.000 And like this one, there's like a ball in there where he just kind of rearranged my cartilage.

02:15:46.000 Gave me a nose jump.

02:15:48.000 It's okay.

02:15:49.000 I knocked him out.

02:15:50.000 We're even.

02:15:51.000 Well, the last fight is the fight that's the most important, right?

02:15:55.000 You know, if you'd knocked him out the first time, then he beat you a few times.

02:15:55.000 Right.

02:15:58.000 You wouldn't feel so even.

02:15:58.000 Right.

02:16:00.000 Mm-hmm.

02:16:00.000 Yeah.

02:16:01.000 We were talking about taking punches.

02:16:03.000 I hate to put him on blaster.

02:16:04.000 I was the first person to knock him out.

02:16:06.000 He was 39-0.

02:16:08.000 It's a super impressive record.

02:16:10.000 It was awesome.

02:16:12.000 But he just fought in China a week or two ago.

02:16:16.000 He got dropped three or four times and finished.

02:16:18.000 He couldn't take a punch anymore.

02:16:20.000 It really affected his ability to take a punch.

02:16:20.000 Really?

02:16:23.000 Who knocked him out?

02:16:31.000 That's really incredible when you think about the fact that he did have that amazing record coming into that fight with you. 0.98

02:16:37.000 That fucking right hand that you landed on him was so perfect. 0.99

02:16:41.000 It was so perfect to watch him fucking just drop like he got shot by a sniper in front of all the people in LA. I gotta tell you, that Can't Stop Crazy is fun until you have someone fucking yelling it over and over behind your ear while you're trying to watch the fights. 1.00

02:16:57.000 I was watching the fights and some chick was yelling, Can't stop crazy! 1.00

02:17:01.000 Can't stop crazy! 1.00

02:17:02.000 Like, fucking relax, honey. 1.00

02:17:05.000 We heard it the first 30 times. 1.00

02:17:05.000 Okay? 1.00

02:17:07.000 She literally kept yelling it while you were fighting. 1.00

02:17:10.000 Can't stop crazy.

02:17:12.000 I don't know.

02:17:13.000 Was she trying to get on camera? 0.82

02:17:14.000 I don't know.

02:17:15.000 That's awesome.

02:17:16.000 It was quite obnoxious.

02:17:17.000 I mean, it was obnoxious, but...

02:17:18.000 But awesome that you have that kind of support.

02:17:19.000 Yeah, it's awesome that I have that kind of support.

02:17:21.000 But, dude, when he went down, that place was deafening. 1.00

02:17:23.000 Because it was in your hometown, in L.A. That was some wild shit. 0.99

02:17:26.000 It was such an incredible... 0.99

02:17:27.000 I mean, I'm used to...

02:17:30.000 Before Glory came along, I was fighting.

02:17:32.000 Lion Fight had some big shows at the Hard Rock.

02:17:37.000 For the most part, it was Hollywood Park Casino, 1,200 people.

02:17:41.000 To be at the Forum.

02:17:43.000 Usually, I walk out on tunnel vision.

02:17:46.000 I don't see the fans.

02:17:47.000 I'm just focused on what I'm going to do.

02:17:48.000 When I walked out for that, the ovation from all the fans kind of choked me up a little bit.

02:17:52.000 I had to take a breath.

02:17:55.000 Blow kisses to the fans.

02:17:56.000 I had to do something to show my appreciation.

02:17:59.000 It was really overwhelming.

02:18:00.000 It was an awesome environment, man.

02:18:02.000 The forum was so packed, and it was so intense.

02:18:05.000 And everybody was also recognizing that this was a big moment for kickboxing.

02:18:10.000 It's like kickboxing.

02:18:11.000 You know, I've been to a bunch of smokers, and I've been to some probe matches in L.A. and around the area.

02:18:17.000 It was always, they were small.

02:18:18.000 It wasn't that, you know, well received, it wasn't that big of a deal, but man, this was a giant deal.

02:18:24.000 All those Spike TV cameras, you know, everybody, people being interviewed, and the whole deal, it was like, it was, there was so much energy behind it that, like, everybody was realizing, wow, this might, and the fact that it was a big pay-per-view card, like, this might be a big moment where kickboxing becomes just like MMA,

02:18:39.000 you know, becomes like this next-level sport.

02:18:42.000 Because I'd always have, like, when you look at the level of competition, like, when MMA became huge, The level of competition was not nearly as high as where the level of kickboxing competition is right now.

02:18:53.000 The level is very high.

02:18:55.000 Like the Nikki Holtzkins and the guys that are at the very top of the list.

02:19:01.000 There's this level that's like a real solid world championship, world-class level.

02:19:08.000 Where MMA wasn't really there in 2005 when it emerged.

02:19:13.000 It's like...

02:19:14.000 All the pieces are in place.

02:19:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:19:17.000 Well, that's, like, more so.

02:19:18.000 They're, like, super tough guys.

02:19:19.000 They weren't the skill set.

02:19:19.000 Yeah.

02:19:21.000 Yeah, but we'll go back to Rich Franklin.

02:19:22.000 I mean, Rich Franklin's a very good fighter.

02:19:24.000 But, like, the difference between, like, Rich Franklin of, you know, the Rich Franklin that fought Anderson Silva and, say, like, you know, like Mighty Mouse Johnson.

02:19:34.000 Right.

02:19:34.000 Who's, in my opinion, the most technically sound fighter.

02:19:38.000 That motherfucker is world class at everything he does. 0.99

02:19:41.000 Everything he does is perfect. 0.99

02:19:42.000 You've got that, you know, like with Mark Dubon.

02:19:45.000 You've got that with you.

02:19:46.000 You've got that with the elite kickboxers of today.

02:19:50.000 Whereas I don't think MMA had that when it started to take off.

02:19:55.000 So if the promotion was behind it, and if they just...

02:19:58.000 If it caught on with the American people and the names started getting established, you know, Joe Schilling and all these guys and, you know, these names became more established and it became something that became, you know, mainstream.

02:20:12.000 I just think, like, the quality is there.

02:20:14.000 The product is there.

02:20:15.000 It's all just a matter of promoting it and getting people to...

02:20:18.000 That's the other thing that Dana said when I was trying to get them to buy it, like, way back in the day.

02:20:22.000 They're like, you know what, Americans... 1.00

02:20:23.000 We're so poisoned by like PKA karate, you know, that they just have this idea in their head is like, it's just dog shit. 0.99

02:20:31.000 You know, like when guys would throw like a bunch of flippy kicks just to get the kicks in. 0.98

02:20:36.000 And then, you know, you have to throw like five kicks around or whatever it was.

02:20:40.000 Yeah, it was like, it was a weird time.

02:20:42.000 It just wasn't the same.

02:20:43.000 It's like...

02:20:44.000 The level just wasn't the same.

02:20:47.000 It's not like what you see today.

02:20:49.000 What you see today, when you see...

02:20:52.000 They're throwing kicks because the kicks are effective.

02:20:54.000 Like Raymond Daniels. 1.00

02:20:56.000 That guy's throwing some wild, crazy shit. 1.00

02:20:58.000 Daniel Gita. 1.00

02:20:59.000 He's throwing some fucking powerful fucking kicks. 1.00

02:21:02.000 That's what's really exciting about the kickbox. 1.00

02:21:05.000 We were talking the other day about...

02:21:07.000 The heavyweight division in MMA right now is...

02:21:13.000 Yeah.

02:21:28.000 The heavyweights in kickboxing, you got guys that are like 6'5 and they're still throwing head kicks.

02:21:33.000 They don't move like Tim Sylvia.

02:21:34.000 They don't move like these MMA guys are used to seeing.

02:21:36.000 It's just really, really exciting stuff.

02:21:39.000 Rico Rejuven is incredibly athletic.

02:21:41.000 He's a sparring partner with really high-level boxers in Europe.

02:21:49.000 And then Ariel Zimmerman is just a knockout artist from the K-1 days.

02:21:53.000 He fought all the top guys in K-1.

02:21:55.000 It's just really, really exciting stuff.

02:21:57.000 Enrico Verhoeven is conditioning.

02:21:59.000 Yeah.

02:22:00.000 I mean, for a heavyweight, he's a lot like Kane in that sense, too, where that guy just does not get tired.

02:22:04.000 I mean, he will go five three-minute rounds and be 100% through the...

02:22:09.000 And that's where he beat Daniel Gita, I think.

02:22:12.000 He started wearing him down.

02:22:13.000 And then the conditioning sort of took in.

02:22:15.000 I mean, he can fight at a very high level for a long time.

02:22:18.000 And he's a young guy, too.

02:22:19.000 He's got a bright future.

02:22:22.000 I mean, how old is Rico?

02:22:23.000 I don't know.

02:22:24.000 I think he's 20. I'd say 26 at most.

02:22:29.000 Yeah.

02:22:30.000 What's it say here?

02:22:31.000 And he's a huge guy.

02:22:32.000 When you're next to him, he has huge hands.

02:22:34.000 He's just a giant, giant man.

02:22:36.000 Yeah, I just hope it takes off, man.

02:22:38.000 I really do.

02:22:39.000 Because I do enjoy boxing.

02:22:42.000 I'm a big boxing fan.

02:22:43.000 But I like kickboxing a lot more.

02:22:45.000 I will watch kickboxing fights over and over again.

02:22:48.000 I will re-watch them.

02:22:49.000 Where I think the more elements you add to fighting, the more interesting it becomes.

02:22:55.000 I actually kind of wish it was Muay Thai.

02:22:58.000 I think that the clinching is an important aspect of it.

02:23:01.000 The tying up and the knees to the body and the dumps.

02:23:04.000 I think that's an important part of the art.

02:23:08.000 And also the elbows and knees and the clinch.

02:23:10.000 I think they're very important.

02:23:12.000 I love a lion fight.

02:23:14.000 And Kevin Ross is your guy, right?

02:23:15.000 Yeah, Kevin Ross.

02:23:16.000 One of my best friends, yeah.

02:23:17.000 I love that guy.

02:23:18.000 I love watching him fight, too.

02:23:19.000 He's a pure Muay Thai. 0.99

02:23:21.000 You watch him fight.

02:23:22.000 The way he controls distance, the distance between throwing the kicks and the punches.

02:23:28.000 He's doing everything the right way, whereas the right technique for the right distance.

02:23:33.000 It's a beautiful thing to watch.

02:23:35.000 You get to see the true art of Muay Thai represented when he's fighting.

02:23:39.000 Absolutely.

02:23:41.000 I think that's missing a little bit in Glory.

02:23:44.000 I wish they would go with the elbows and the knees and letting guys tie up in the clinch and throw knees to the body. 0.97

02:23:50.000 I think their thought process with the clinch is that it turns into a way of stalling.

02:23:58.000 You can't punch with them.

02:23:59.000 You're not as good at punching.

02:24:01.000 So you just clinch them up and it ends up being a wrestling match.

02:24:01.000 You're not as good at kicking.

02:24:05.000 But does it?

02:24:05.000 I think that's what they're saying.

02:24:06.000 I think they're silly. 0.92

02:24:07.000 My two fights with Simon Marcus absolutely did. 0.90

02:24:09.000 Well, Simon Marcus, that is his style, right?

02:24:12.000 That was one of the reasons why he beat so many guys.

02:24:15.000 His clinch was phenomenal.

02:24:16.000 Phenomenal.

02:24:17.000 And he was so physically strong.

02:24:18.000 Right.

02:24:19.000 You know, how much of a difference did you feel fighting him in a Muay Thai fight and fighting him in Glory?

02:24:28.000 I didn't really notice that much of a difference, to be honest with you.

02:24:30.000 I felt like I was in a lot better shape for the...

02:24:33.000 And a lot more prepared for the last man standing thing.

02:24:36.000 But I think it also forced him, he had to, you know, he wasn't able to hold on the way he wanted to and to do what he wanted to do.

02:24:41.000 So I think it's unfair for me to say it.

02:24:44.000 If it was, I don't know, that was a really good fight.

02:24:47.000 I enjoyed the fight.

02:24:48.000 It's a great fight for you.

02:24:49.000 But I always thought that glory rules with elbows would be really interesting.

02:24:54.000 Even if you didn't allow the clinch, but you allowed elbows.

02:24:56.000 Because elbows are actually my favorite weapon.

02:24:58.000 That's how I got my ring name.

02:25:00.000 Most of my first ten knockouts were by elbow or from the knee to the head from the clinch.

02:25:04.000 Yeah, I think it's a great technique.

02:25:06.000 I think it's a very great technique.

02:25:08.000 I don't know why they don't do it, honestly.

02:25:10.000 K1, they didn't do it because Japan isn't big on the blood thing.

02:25:13.000 So maybe that was why.

02:25:14.000 They used to stop fights and wipe the blood off and all that stuff.

02:25:18.000 I really love elbows.

02:25:20.000 If you look at guys like Nathan Carnage.

02:25:23.000 He was like the elbow god with beautiful boxing ability and then sneaking in the elbows.

02:25:30.000 I'm a big fan of the elbow.

02:25:32.000 Yeah, and I think that those guys, when they're fighting and kickboxing as opposed to Muay Thai, there's like an element of their game that they've worked so hard to adapt and to get proficient at, and then that element's been removed.

02:25:44.000 You're forcing them to fight at like 70%.

02:25:46.000 Exactly.

02:25:47.000 I think that's something that happened with Simon in that fight with me.

02:25:51.000 His first fight, his first loss was his first kickboxing fight.

02:25:54.000 His first knockout loss was his first kickboxing fight.

02:25:56.000 And then this one that just happened was also, I think, kickboxing or Sanchao rules or whatnot.

02:26:02.000 Oh, it was San Shao rules?

02:26:02.000 Yeah.

02:26:04.000 I think Wen Lang Fong. 0.85

02:26:06.000 So San Shao, were you allowed to throw takedowns and stuff too?

02:26:09.000 Yeah, I don't really know about...

02:26:10.000 I mean, they call it...

02:26:11.000 It seems like San Shao, but they call it something that Wen Lang Fong.

02:26:15.000 I did it once and it was horrible for me.

02:26:17.000 It was actually when I tore my knee apart.

02:26:18.000 But it was like you're allowed to judo throw or...

02:26:22.000 But somehow they were yelling at Simon when he was trying to clinch.

02:26:25.000 I don't really understand it.

02:26:26.000 What do you think about what John Wayne Parr's doing, that cage combat thing?

02:26:31.000 He's got Muay Thai, but they're fighting in a cage with MMA gloves.

02:26:37.000 I particularly don't care for it.

02:26:38.000 I mean, I don't like...

02:26:40.000 I think it's...

02:26:41.000 I just see it as a gimmick over trying to tap into the MMA scene.

02:26:45.000 I mean, like, we just talked about the cage makes it really hard to see.

02:26:49.000 I don't think that you can clinch as well against the cage as you can in the ropes because you can move them backwards.

02:26:54.000 There's more positions from that.

02:26:56.000 And I think it's more about, like, just attaching the gimmick or making it more brutal than, you know, thing than it is.

02:27:02.000 And I think a lot of guys are breaking their hands...

02:27:05.000 With the little gloves?

02:27:07.000 With those little gloves doing it.

02:27:08.000 I wouldn't want to do it.

02:27:10.000 Defensively, it's a big issue, right?

02:27:12.000 With the little gloves where you can slip punches through where you can't.

02:27:15.000 You know, I thought it was going to be.

02:27:16.000 And then when I started training for the Melvin fight, I didn't find that much difference.

02:27:20.000 No?

02:27:22.000 Although, I think if Melvin had a boxing glove on, it hit me on top of the head there.

02:27:27.000 It might not have put my legs out and I might not have dropped as easily as I did.

02:27:31.000 Hmm.

02:27:32.000 I don't know if Melvin would have went down from that right hook with a boxing glove as dramatically as he did.

02:27:38.000 Did Glory adopt K1 rules just because K1 was like the big organization and K1 started to fall off and then It's Showtime came along and It's Showtime put up some really big fights and then Glory kind of came along and took that over.

02:27:51.000 Yeah, I think that's exactly what happened.

02:27:54.000 I think that, from what I understand, the guys...

02:27:58.000 K-1 was K-1, and then most of the fighters from Holland were under one management team.

02:28:05.000 And when K-1 started to fail, that management team...

02:28:12.000 Had all the contracts for the K1 guys and they started at Showtime because they already had all the fighters under contract.

02:28:17.000 And then when at Showtime eventually sold to Glory, the company Glory.

02:28:23.000 So it was just like the same people, same scenario.

02:28:27.000 Right.

02:28:28.000 It just grew from that.

02:28:29.000 And now it's...

02:28:31.000 So Lion Fight is the only like really big Muay Thai promotion, like national on television, national Muay Thai promotion in this country.

02:28:38.000 I think Legacy Fighting just made a deal.

02:28:40.000 It was on TV. They're on the AXS as well.

02:28:43.000 Oh, they're AXS too?

02:28:44.000 AXS too.

02:28:44.000 Interesting.

02:28:45.000 Yeah, AXS is fucking great, man, which used to be HDNet. 0.59

02:28:49.000 It's like one of the best ways to access like up-and-coming fighters, like the smaller organizations. 0.93

02:28:56.000 Right.

02:28:57.000 I think...

02:28:59.000 Yeah, I don't get that channel.

02:29:00.000 I remember when HDNet was on there.

02:29:02.000 Then they had the MMA. What MMA shows were on?

02:29:05.000 Was it WEC was on HDNet?

02:29:08.000 No, it was up in Canada. 0.99

02:29:11.000 What the fuck is his name? 0.99

02:29:14.000 Oh, goddammit, I can't remember. 1.00

02:29:16.000 In Edmonton, you know what I'm talking about, that dude.

02:29:19.000 But, uh, now, um, and you remember Spike TV, when the UFC was still on it, and had the Ultimate Fighter, that was, like, kind of the home for combat sports, and I know that Spike TV is now rebranding, I think, in March, and they just signed, um...

02:29:33.000 Spike TV's rebranding?

02:29:35.000 Like, er, re...

02:29:36.000 something like that.

02:29:37.000 They're changing the name?

02:29:38.000 No, I don't know, rebranding, they're changing their...

02:29:41.000 revitalizing their look or something.

02:29:43.000 I don't know.

02:29:44.000 They're trying to get back to being the home for combat sports.

02:29:46.000 I know they just signed a deal with Floyd Mayweather's manager.

02:29:51.000 They're going to have boxing on Spike TV now, too.

02:29:55.000 Oh, yeah.

02:29:55.000 They're having Golden Glory, right?

02:29:58.000 I mean, not Golden Glory.

02:30:00.000 Golden Boy Productions is going to be on Spike TV. I don't know if it's Golden Boy.

02:30:00.000 Golden Boy.

02:30:06.000 I'm Floyd Mayweather's coach.

02:30:08.000 It's Al Heyman is promoting it.

02:30:08.000 I forget what they're going to call it.

02:30:10.000 So now they're going to have boxing, kickboxing, and Bella Tormin May on Spike, which is really good.

02:30:16.000 That's beautiful.

02:30:18.000 Because that's their demographic.

02:30:19.000 It was all kind of geared around the Ultimate Fighter and all their shows were the same, I think, from my perspective.

02:30:28.000 I think it's great.

02:30:29.000 I think that, you know, the more the better.

02:30:30.000 I just think they should change the name Bellator.

02:30:32.000 It's a goofy name.

02:30:34.000 What do you think better?

02:30:35.000 What does it mean? 0.98

02:30:36.000 What the fuck is a Bellator? 0.91

02:30:38.000 How do you even spell it? 0.98

02:30:39.000 Is it 1L? I don't know.

02:30:40.000 I always spell it wrong.

02:30:41.000 When I hashtag it, I spell it wrong almost every time.

02:30:43.000 I love the fights.

02:30:44.000 I love the organization.

02:30:45.000 But they should call it just Spike TV MMA. It's mixed martial arts.

02:30:48.000 Everybody knows what it is.

02:30:50.000 When you watch boxing, it's not, you know, Thunderfist boxing.

02:30:56.000 The name is...

02:30:58.000 The UFC, when it comes to MMA, UFC is like NFL. It's like Q-tips and Kleenex.

02:31:04.000 You don't ask for a tissue.

02:31:06.000 Hey, give me Kleenex.

02:31:08.000 Give me a Q-tip.

02:31:09.000 You don't ask, may I have a cotton swab?

02:31:11.000 They become names.

02:31:13.000 I'll have a Coke.

02:31:15.000 Like Velcro.

02:31:16.000 I think Velcro is actually a patent.

02:31:19.000 Isn't it?

02:31:19.000 I don't know.

02:31:20.000 Exactly.

02:31:21.000 My father-in-law's in the army and they don't call it Velcro.

02:31:25.000 It's called something else.

02:31:27.000 Hook and loop.

02:31:27.000 Yeah, hook and loop or something because Velcro is a brand.

02:31:30.000 Yeah.

02:31:30.000 Right.

02:31:31.000 So it is the same thing.

02:31:32.000 Right.

02:31:34.000 That said, MMA is what it is.

02:31:36.000 Everybody knows it's mixed martial arts, you know?

02:31:38.000 And I think that if they just went with MMA, you know, just have MMA on Spike TV. Have the name of the fighters be what's important.

02:31:46.000 You know, I think Bellator, the name itself is kind of goofy. 0.99

02:31:49.000 And the fucking helmet. 0.99

02:31:50.000 Like, why is there a Roman guy with a helmet? 1.00

02:31:52.000 Yeah, was that, or did that come about around the 300 thing?

02:31:56.000 Because it seems very 300-esque, you know?

02:32:00.000 It is kind of.

02:32:01.000 I think it's a Roman thing, the name, but whatever.

02:32:05.000 Maximum Fighting Championship was what I was trying to remember.

02:32:08.000 MFC, Mark Pavlich's organization, which is up in Edmonton, which is another good thing to watch.

02:32:13.000 You see a lot of Ryan Jimmo came out of there.

02:32:16.000 A lot of young, up-and-coming guys that are really good fighters came out of these HGNet fights that they used to put on back in the day.

02:32:23.000 So if Spike can do that and just make it like the home for fighting, like every Friday night, boxing, MMA, kickboxing, people will get programmed.

02:32:31.000 If they just stick with glory, I feel like I can't miss. 0.97

02:32:35.000 It's just a matter of promoting it correctly, getting people to understand, like, these are the best kickboxers on earth, and it's super high-level shit. 0.89

02:32:44.000 It's not like, you know, they're just learning how to kickbox or putting them on TV. Like, these are the best of the best. 0.70

02:32:50.000 Do you think there needs to be more Americans fighting for an American audience to...

02:32:55.000 Because I hear that a lot.

02:32:56.000 And I don't know.

02:32:57.000 I mean, are we that...

02:32:58.000 Are we that way?

02:32:59.000 Some people.

02:33:00.000 I don't know if we are that way or not.

02:33:02.000 Some people are.

02:33:03.000 There's a lot of us.

02:33:04.000 I go, I don't want to watch this Turkish guy because he's Turkish. 1.00

02:33:07.000 Just lie. 1.00

02:33:08.000 Put a fucking American flag on a short. 1.00

02:33:10.000 Send him out there. 1.00

02:33:11.000 Don't let him talk.

02:33:14.000 No, don't do that.

02:33:16.000 You'll get caught.

02:33:17.000 Well, listen, man, I know you must have to pee.

02:33:19.000 You've been holding on to that water.

02:33:20.000 I do.

02:33:21.000 I know you do.

02:33:22.000 And this weekend, this Friday night, folks can watch it.

02:33:26.000 It's going to be live on Spike TV. It's Glory 19. And where is it?

02:33:30.000 It's from Virginia?

02:33:31.000 Yeah, Hampton, Virginia.

02:33:32.000 Hampton, Virginia.

02:33:33.000 Hampton Coliseum, I think.

02:33:34.000 It is a huge event.

02:33:37.000 If you've never watched kickboxing before, let this be your first one.

02:33:41.000 And definitely cheer for my man, Joe Schilling, who will be fighting in the co-main event of the evening.

02:33:48.000 It's going to be a big card for Spike and a big card for Glory. 0.95

02:33:53.000 And goddamn, I hope it's successful. 0.92

02:33:55.000 So let's try to pump it up. 0.99

02:33:56.000 Set your DVRs. 1.00

02:33:57.000 Watch that shit. 1.00

02:33:58.000 Joe Schilling, much love, my friend. 1.00

02:34:00.000 Thank you very much.

02:34:01.000 Really appreciate it.

02:34:02.000 I'm a huge fan.

02:34:03.000 I'm Fanboy geeking out right here, so this is great.

02:34:06.000 You can follow Joe on Twitter.

02:34:08.000 It's JoeShilling3 is his Twitter handle.

02:34:11.000 How come 3? 0.99

02:34:12.000 Who the fuck is 1 or 2? 0.99

02:34:13.000 If you find JoeShilling1 or 2, let me know because I'm going to smack him around. 0.99

02:34:17.000 I don't know how I got stuck with 3. It seems like they should be able to take that over.

02:34:21.000 Is there a guy that's JoeShilling1?

02:34:24.000 Who's Joe Schilling?

02:34:25.000 What's luck?

02:34:26.000 I don't know.

02:34:26.000 Oh, he's a basketball player for Duke.

02:34:28.000 You dork. 1.00

02:34:29.000 How dare you? 1.00

02:34:31.000 He's only got two followers.

02:34:32.000 Come on.

02:34:33.000 He's not even really a... 1.00

02:34:33.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:34:34.000 God damn it, Joe Schilling. 1.00

02:34:36.000 He's got two fucking followers. 1.00

02:34:38.000 Two! 1.00

02:34:39.000 Two! 0.99

02:34:40.000 It's terrible. 1.00

02:34:40.000 This is bullshit. 1.00

02:34:41.000 Bullshit. 1.00

02:34:42.000 Take it over. 1.00

02:34:43.000 I'm gonna do it.

02:34:43.000 All right, my friend.

02:34:43.000 Okay.

02:34:44.000 Good luck to you.

02:34:45.000 We'll talk to you soon.

02:34:46.000 Appreciate it.

02:35:04.000 Super interesting guy.

02:35:06.000 Very interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 03, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #607 - Joe Schilling

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