The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #612 - Billy Corben

00:00:15.000 Yeah!

00:00:16.000 Alright, we're live.

00:00:17.000 Billy Corbin, what are you doing?

00:00:19.000 Are you tweeting?

00:00:19.000 Are you texting?

00:00:20.000 You can't fucking do that while we're online. 0.99

00:00:22.000 I can do that all the time. 0.99

00:00:24.000 I realize it doesn't matter how much of my life I spend tweeting, and at this point it's been a significant percent.

00:00:31.000 And I've got a cool little following, but for what I dedicate and put into it, I don't know that the ROI is quite there, especially when I can just sit back on my ass and my phone just blows up when they go, Dude, are you listening to Rogan?

00:00:44.000 He's talking about cocaine cowboys again. 0.68

00:00:46.000 It's like, I don't have to tweet.

00:00:47.000 I was like...

00:00:48.000 Just let Joe take care of it.

00:00:49.000 Seriously, the feedback that I get and the love that I get from people, your audience, your listenership is just off the charts.

00:01:00.000 My Twitter metrics dwarf in comparison to your listeners just hitting me up.

00:01:06.000 My family, like, are you listening to Rogan?

00:01:08.000 Are you listening to Rogan?

00:01:09.000 I'm like, right now I'm working.

00:01:12.000 I'm like, don't you work?

00:01:13.000 And they're like, no, I'm listening to Rogan.

00:01:14.000 We'll make a deal. 0.99

00:01:15.000 You keep making awesome fucking documentaries. 0.99

00:01:17.000 I'll keep talking about them. 1.00

00:01:19.000 They'll keep getting out there.

00:01:20.000 Dude, I like that deal.

00:01:21.000 That's a hell of an arrangement.

00:01:23.000 One day you've got to do a live remote from Miami, though.

00:01:25.000 This town, dude, I've got to tell you.

00:01:27.000 You like Miami more than you like LA. I like Miami more than I like anything, honestly.

00:01:33.000 That's so weird.

00:01:35.000 Why?

00:01:36.000 Because you're smart.

00:01:37.000 Like, you're...

00:01:38.000 You're really rare for a guy from Miami. 0.96

00:01:41.000 I've always said that if you want to starve to death, open up a bookstore in Miami. 0.98

00:01:45.000 It's a great way to starve to death. 0.77

00:01:49.000 It's true.

00:01:50.000 Open a bookstore anywhere and you'll starve to death, actually.

00:01:53.000 Now, maybe a Kindle store, but like, I... I get it.

00:01:58.000 This town, which has been, incidentally, nothing but good to me my whole life.

00:02:03.000 Los Angeles, I mean.

00:02:04.000 Like, broken hearts fuel the power grid and tears come out of the faucets. 0.94

00:02:09.000 Like, I land at LAX, I turn into Raymond fucking Chandler all of a sudden.

00:02:12.000 I just, like, I get really sad here. 0.92

00:02:14.000 I don't know what it is. 1.00

00:02:15.000 It's the fucking homeless guy and pretty woman. 1.00

00:02:17.000 Screaming on Hollywood Boulevard like that's this like that's this town to me it like it just it's it's sad to me Miami is like I think Tony Montana said it best You know it's just a great big pussy waiting to be fucked a great big pussy Miami is the city of the future and always will be you know there's just like endless Opportunity there, 1.00

00:02:37.000 but it never quite gets to that that level that the famous saying is that like LA is where you go when you want to be somebody. 0.99

00:02:44.000 New York is where you go when you are somebody.

00:02:46.000 And Miami is where you go when you want to be somebody else.

00:02:49.000 And that's the thesis of all of our work, in a way.

00:02:53.000 That's the motto of our company, of Raconteur.

00:02:56.000 It's too long to put on a t-shirt, but that's the message.

00:02:59.000 That's the takeaway, I think.

00:03:00.000 That's not too long to put on a t-shirt.

00:03:02.000 That can be worked out.

00:03:03.000 Yeah, a small font.

00:03:04.000 Good spacing.

00:03:05.000 We're designing it right now.

00:03:07.000 That could be worked out.

00:03:08.000 Pre-order right now, folks.

00:03:10.000 I mean, I obviously like it here in a lot of ways.

00:03:14.000 What I don't like here is the amount of humans.

00:03:17.000 There's an overwhelming supply of human beings here.

00:03:21.000 To the point that I think that anytime you get too many people in one place, you devalue those people.

00:03:26.000 It's like, I think that's the case with everything.

00:03:29.000 I mean, I think if you're a guy... 1.00

00:03:31.000 You have a million fucking girlfriends. 1.00

00:03:32.000 They're all waiting for you in a warehouse. 1.00

00:03:34.000 You're not going to care if one of them dies.

00:03:36.000 You're just not.

00:03:38.000 You're just not.

00:03:39.000 You're barely going to care.

00:03:40.000 If you have an airplane hanger filled with tens and you just walk in, you go, you in the back with the yellow hair, come this way, please.

00:03:49.000 It doesn't mean anything.

00:03:50.000 If you have one wife that you love dearly, it's going to mean a lot more if something happens to her. 1.00

00:03:56.000 I think LA has too many fucking people. 0.99

00:04:00.000 And I think when you get too many people, there's this sort of weird thing that happens where you stop caring about them. 1.00

00:04:08.000 They don't mean anything to you.

00:04:09.000 But is it quantity or is it quality?

00:04:11.000 Well, there's too many.

00:04:13.000 The quality is here.

00:04:14.000 Because there are so many who each think that they're very important.

00:04:16.000 Because we're all, to be fair, the center of our own universe.

00:04:19.000 But everybody...

00:04:24.000 I realize there's no other way to say this other than how it's going to sound.

00:04:27.000 But the self-worth meter is off the charts for way too many people.

00:04:33.000 It is, but it's also a fake meter.

00:04:36.000 People are holding up a meter of what they're pretending their self-worth is.

00:04:41.000 But in reality, what they really think about themselves, they're incredibly insecure.

00:04:46.000 Which is why they're here trying to validate themselves in the first place.

00:04:50.000 This is a weird town in that everybody who comes here wants to be someone special.

00:04:55.000 And usually they want to be someone special because they weren't special when they were children.

00:04:59.000 So they get here.

00:05:00.000 You seek out this ultimate thing, which is fame.

00:05:04.000 And now, because of people like Kim Kardashian and reality shows...

00:05:08.000 You don't even have to do anything for it anymore.

00:05:09.000 You don't have to do anything.

00:05:10.000 You don't have to have a special talent.

00:05:11.000 That's a troubling thing to me.

00:05:12.000 It is.

00:05:12.000 You don't have to put in work anymore.

00:05:14.000 Yeah.

00:05:15.000 And that manifested itself with this Kanye Beck thing.

00:05:18.000 It's like...

00:05:19.000 Beck, I mean, you can't really ask for a more gifted musician or songwriter.

00:05:22.000 As far as, like, artistry is concerned, you could be subjective about it.

00:05:26.000 You could say you like him, you don't like him, but the guy's an artist.

00:05:29.000 I mean, legitimately, he puts in the work.

00:05:30.000 He writes everything.

00:05:32.000 He plays every frag and instrument on his album.

00:05:35.000 So it's like...

00:05:36.000 The guy's putting in the work and why devalue somebody who's actually an accomplished artist and say, like, well, his art isn't worth as much as somebody else's art.

00:05:47.000 Kanye West has a real ego problem.

00:05:49.000 He needs psychedelics more than anyone I've ever seen in the public eye. 0.99

00:05:53.000 I mean, he's such an insufferable douchebag. 0.98

00:05:57.000 And that's because his ego is completely out of control. 0.99

00:06:00.000 He wants...

00:06:00.000 People to pay attention to him.

00:06:02.000 He wants to be loved.

00:06:04.000 He wants to be great.

00:06:05.000 He wants to be great.

00:06:06.000 That's his big thing.

00:06:07.000 Leave me alone.

00:06:07.000 Let me be great.

00:06:08.000 You know, you fucking rhyme shit, dude. 1.00

00:06:11.000 You're surrounded. 1.00

00:06:12.000 That's it. 0.50

00:06:12.000 No offense to his handlers, but you're surrounded by awful people. 0.50

00:06:16.000 Those are the people who are supposed to keep you in check and give you some perspective on your place in the universe, which is always smaller than you think.

00:06:22.000 You can't do that.

00:06:23.000 That's not their job.

00:06:24.000 Their job is to make money.

00:06:25.000 And the way they make money is to keep rubbing his back and pushing him out there in the ring.

00:06:29.000 I mean, that's it.

00:06:30.000 Keep getting them to make more money.

00:06:31.000 Jewish people, we have our families to both, like, blow up our heads and also put us right back in our place.

00:06:38.000 I remember I got into some trouble a couple years ago.

00:06:41.000 I was on a jury.

00:06:42.000 I was a jury foreman in a criminal case in Miami-Dade Circuit Court, and it was an armed robbery case.

00:06:48.000 And I... Tweet it, because that's what I do. 0.73

00:06:51.000 I didn't tweet about the case, but I did my usual shit of just kind of observations of the courthouse. 0.95

00:06:55.000 I noticed that it was named for this guy, Richard Gerstein, who was a state attorney who had rumored ties to Meyer Lansky, later represented Pee Wee Herman in his indecent exposure case in Florida, you know, when he was jerking off in the adult theater. 0.97

00:07:10.000 And just things like that.

00:07:12.000 I could see from the window in the jury pool room, I was like, how, you know...

00:07:29.000 I'm ignorant to that.

00:07:32.000 Okay. 1.00

00:07:35.000 Stupid observational shit. 1.00

00:07:37.000 And then my usual sort of aggregating article. 1.00

00:07:39.000 So, this comes up on appeal.

00:07:41.000 The public defender, we convict him of a lesser included offense.

00:07:43.000 The public defender says, oh, the jury foreman was tweeting, like live tweeting the trial, which is not what happened.

00:07:49.000 I didn't delete anything.

00:07:50.000 All my tweets are still there.

00:07:51.000 So...

00:07:52.000 The Miami Herald, like, rips me.

00:07:54.000 They have this completely talent-free writer at the Herald.

00:07:59.000 She actually slept her way to the middle, is what she did. 1.00

00:08:01.000 She slept with her married editor and got a promotion, and it was a whole scandal. 0.69

00:08:04.000 Really?

00:08:05.000 Yeah.

00:08:05.000 And now I call her America and Cuba's worst columnist.

00:08:09.000 And she still has a job. 0.99

00:08:10.000 It's unbelievable.

00:08:11.000 And she, like, rips me for being a... 0.56

00:08:13.000 What was it?

00:08:13.000 Like, tweeting twit.

00:08:14.000 That's what she called me, a tweeting twit.

00:08:16.000 And my... 0.99

00:08:18.000 My parrot won't shit on the Herald, you know, when I line its cage with it. 0.93

00:08:21.000 So, like, the Herald's masthead is like, Miami Herald, yesterday's news tomorrow. 0.86

00:08:27.000 Corrections to follow.

00:08:28.000 So, like, my grandpa, old school, they still read the newspaper.

00:08:28.000 That's their shtick.

00:08:33.000 You know, he likes the ink on his fingers.

00:08:34.000 And so, he reads this, like, vicious column about me, about his grandson.

00:08:39.000 And his takeaway is this.

00:08:41.000 He's like...

00:08:42.000 So, this is a few years ago.

00:08:44.000 So, he says to me, he goes...

00:08:46.000 How many Twitter followers do you have?

00:08:49.000 And I was like, at the time, maybe 10,000.

00:08:52.000 I was like, I don't know, about 10,000.

00:08:54.000 He goes, Justin Bieber has 22 million.

00:08:58.000 And that was it. 1.00

00:08:59.000 I felt like shit. 1.00

00:09:00.000 That's it. 0.99

00:09:00.000 He put me right back. 0.99

00:09:01.000 I was reminded of my place in the universe.

00:09:05.000 First of all, how the hell does my grandfather know?

00:09:08.000 I don't even know that he knows what Twitter is. 1.00

00:09:10.000 Your grandfather sounds like a dick. 0.99

00:09:10.000 That's pretty irrelevant. 0.99

00:09:12.000 I'm gonna be honest with you.

00:09:14.000 He's a wonderful man.

00:09:16.000 Mi abuelo, he's a wonderful, wonderful man.

00:09:19.000 He is.

00:09:20.000 Well, that's all he had to say?

00:09:22.000 Justin Bieber has more.

00:09:24.000 He didn't say to me, like, I'm ashamed of you and what you did and this woman destroying you in the newspaper.

00:09:29.000 He was pretty cool with that.

00:09:31.000 He was just trying to understand this Twitter thing a little bit better.

00:09:34.000 That's all.

00:09:35.000 He's still not on it, though.

00:09:36.000 That's funny, though.

00:09:37.000 Well, yeah, I mean, having someone in your life to keep you in check like that is important.

00:09:42.000 Or having something.

00:09:44.000 I don't think he has anything to keep him in check, which is why he thinks it's funny to go on stage and interrupt people's performances or acceptance speeches.

00:09:54.000 Why don't they even bother voting?

00:09:55.000 Why don't they just like Kanye pick who wins everything?

00:09:58.000 How about this? 1.00

00:09:59.000 How about the Emmys are stupid? 1.00

00:10:00.000 How about the Oscars are stupid? 1.00

00:10:02.000 They're all stupid. 1.00

00:10:03.000 Award shows for art are dumb. 1.00

00:10:05.000 They really are. 0.99

00:10:06.000 Because art is incredibly subjective.

00:10:09.000 And this idea that you're going to have this one big moment where everybody dresses up like a penguin and you all get together and pretend this is our night to shine.

00:10:17.000 Tom Ford's got to make a living too, dude.

00:10:19.000 Who's Tom Ford?

00:10:20.000 He does like the tuxes, like Justin Timberlake.

00:10:22.000 He does tuxes.

00:10:23.000 It's kind of like his shtick.

00:10:24.000 He's a fashion designer.

00:10:27.000 I'm not a big...

00:10:28.000 I often get introduced to people who write up a bio or blurb on me and they'll be like, award-winning filmmaker.

00:10:34.000 I'm like, I don't actually think I've won any awards.

00:10:38.000 I guess we have along the way.

00:10:39.000 I got a key to the city of Miami and Miami Beach, which was incredibly disappointing.

00:10:44.000 Because when...

00:10:45.000 You know, you're in Miami Beach and somebody gives you a key.

00:10:47.000 Right.

00:10:47.000 You're kind of hoping it's going to be something else if you hear what I'm screaming.

00:10:51.000 But it was not the kind of key that you hope to get when you go to Miami.

00:10:55.000 You mean like a kilo?

00:10:56.000 I see what I'm saying.

00:10:56.000 Right.

00:10:57.000 It's funnier when you explain it, I think.

00:10:59.000 Well, it didn't work unless you did.

00:11:02.000 I think there's a few listeners that got it.

00:11:04.000 Maybe two that are coked up right now.

00:11:07.000 There's only two listeners coked up right now.

00:11:12.000 I don't think that's true.

00:11:13.000 But they're the only ones that got that joke.

00:11:13.000 There's more than two.

00:11:18.000 What we were talking about before about what's wrong with this town, and this is probably the last time we should get into it because this is such a tired subject, but...

00:11:27.000 The idea that people who didn't get enough attention when they were young, so they developed this hole in their soul, they need to fill up with other people's attention, they come here, and then they seek validation through auditioning, which is one of the most ridiculous processes ever.

00:11:43.000 I mean, the idea that you're going to be in line with a bunch of other people hoping to get picked, and if you do get picked, you're like, yes, yes, it's me!

00:11:50.000 I'm going to be the one!

00:11:51.000 And then you're the one who's going to get out there, and then the camera's on you, and they put makeup on you, and they make you pretty, and the perfect lighting, It's all...

00:11:58.000 It's this weird thing.

00:12:00.000 And if you're lucky...

00:12:02.000 You can get through that with some sense of what you're trying to do in the first place which is like trying to create something cool that people enjoy and then some sense of humility where you kind of understand that that's in the greater spectrum of the universe it's really not that significant what it is is it gets a lot of attention because we're confused and media confuses people and the idea of the one the alpha with the light on them and the one who has the microphone and the one who has the voice and That this somehow or another makes you special.

00:12:32.000 But it doesn't.

00:12:32.000 It's just entertainment.

00:12:33.000 Well, there's two things I have to say about that.

00:12:35.000 The first of which is that I'm going to put it out there.

00:12:38.000 I don't talk about it that much, but I'm going to put it out there because I think step one in the program is admitting that you have a problem.

00:12:43.000 So I was a child actor in this town.

00:12:46.000 In this town.

00:12:47.000 So that's your problem with this town.

00:12:48.000 I wish that there was...

00:12:48.000 Yeah, but it was very good to me.

00:12:50.000 It was very good to me.

00:12:51.000 I was very successful.

00:12:52.000 And before I retired at 15 or whatever it was, but like it...

00:12:56.000 First of all, I wish there was a different...

00:12:59.000 Other than child actor, which immediately evokes images of liquor store robberies, drug overdoses, and child molestation.

00:13:07.000 But that's what I was.

00:13:09.000 The second thing I want to say, which I probably shouldn't talk about, because you mentioned it when you were talking about the casting process and how completely toxic that is in terms of creating anything of substance.

00:13:23.000 And it's not just...

00:13:24.000 It's this development process.

00:13:25.000 We option the rights...

00:13:29.000 To develop a dramatic series about cocaine cowboys about, I think, eight years ago now with Brookheimer Television, Michael Bay, and Warner Horizons.

00:13:40.000 And we have been developing the show.

00:13:44.000 Development.

00:13:44.000 Developing.

00:13:45.000 Developing.

00:13:46.000 You know when you say a word so much or you look at it so often it loses its meaning and you kind of have to...

00:13:51.000 This word means something?

00:13:51.000 What is it?

00:13:52.000 Development?

00:13:53.000 So we're on a call, Wendell.

00:13:54.000 This is already years ago.

00:13:56.000 It was years into development and years ago already.

00:13:59.000 That's how long we've been developing this.

00:14:04.000 We're on a conference call.

00:14:05.000 You can't get a word in edgewise, really, on a conference call.

00:14:08.000 I'm listening to this call, and I'm looking at the calendar, and it says, JBTV development call.

00:14:14.000 And I'm staring at the word, and it loses its meaning.

00:14:16.000 So I kind of, you know, the voices turn into, you know, peanuts, you know, adults.

00:14:20.000 And I open a new tab in my browser, and I go to dictionary.com.

00:14:25.000 I probably should have gone to urbandictionary.com, but I go to dictionary.com, and I look up the word development.

00:14:29.000 And I realize, looking at the definition...

00:14:32.000 That the development process in film and television and entertainment is the antithesis of the definition of the word development, which infers progress, evolution, and it's the exact opposite of that.

00:14:45.000 If it doesn't stifle progress, it We're good to go.

00:15:08.000 I got two partners.

00:15:10.000 It's me and two guys.

00:15:11.000 One guy I've known so long, our parents used to bathe us together.

00:15:14.000 I mean, we were sophomores in high school.

00:15:17.000 But like, no, we were nursery school.

00:15:17.000 That was weird.

00:15:19.000 I know the guy literally since nursery school.

00:15:21.000 Our other partner, Alfred Spellman.

00:15:22.000 I know him from television production middle school.

00:15:24.000 So we look at each other and we go, does this sound like a cool idea?

00:15:27.000 Yeah?

00:15:28.000 That's our development in the nonfiction world.

00:15:28.000 Let's do it.

00:15:30.000 This whole scripted thing where you bring in three writers and you pay them untold amounts of money and they're from Santa Monica with nannies and they're going to write for the Miami drug scene in the late 70s.

00:15:42.000 You're like, what is going on here?

00:15:44.000 How is this progress?

00:15:45.000 How are we developing anything here?

00:15:47.000 And in terms of our warped values and media manipulating our priorities, nothing breaks my heart more Then when I tweet something important that's going on in the world, and it gets like two retweets or whatever,

00:16:03.000 and then you tweet something about Kim Kardashian or Justin Bieber or Kanye West or Bruce Jenner, God forbid, and It gets 1,200 retweets.

00:16:14.000 Or some crazy Florida man story that gets 10,000 retweets.

00:16:18.000 And it breaks my heart because I'm just like, I'm contributing to the distraction here, is what I feel like.

00:16:24.000 But it really frustrates me.

00:16:27.000 It's like, but something about, you know, the lack of accountability in politics or the public sector or, you know, the dramatic increase in police brutality and the prison population as the crime rate drops precipitously.

00:16:41.000 All these things that we should kind of be concerned about as a people.

00:16:44.000 And I just realized, I was like, maybe I need to take my own advice and, like, the fact that we're all so insignificant and so small and this time is so fleeting...

00:16:51.000 Why not just have a good time while we're here?

00:16:53.000 We're not actually going to change anything for the better.

00:16:54.000 It's like that saying...

00:16:55.000 What's it saying?

00:16:56.000 It's like, I want to have less corruption or more participation in it or something like...

00:17:01.000 It's like, as I get older, I feel like, well, where am I getting here?

00:17:06.000 I'm not actually going to effectuate any positive change, maybe a little bit of awareness in my corner of the Twitterverse, but...

00:17:15.000 Don't I just need to do something for myself or my family?

00:17:17.000 And I can't do that.

00:17:19.000 There's a moral compass that just won't let me compromise my values.

00:17:24.000 And in a weird way, I hate that about myself.

00:17:27.000 Just relax, man.

00:17:28.000 Seriously, do you smoke weed?

00:17:30.000 You should probably smoke weed.

00:17:30.000 No.

00:17:32.000 That would help you a lot.

00:17:33.000 That's the diagnosis.

00:17:35.000 Well, you guys have medical marijuana here. 0.99

00:17:36.000 For fuck's sake, dude, I fought my ass off for Amendment 2 in Florida. 0.99

00:17:43.000 We got nearly 58% of the vote. 0.99

00:17:47.000 And it failed.

00:17:48.000 Rick Scott, the least popular governor in the history of anything anywhere, gets 47% of the vote in four more years to destroy the state of Florida.

00:18:00.000 But you have too many old people. 1.00

00:18:02.000 Too many old people in your state, their idea of what marijuana is is just completely fucked by propaganda. 1.00

00:18:09.000 But now our elected officials, fortunately, are kind of realizing that, like, wait a second, if you look at the district results for Amendment 2, they're going, well, shit, my constituents want this. 0.95

00:18:19.000 So now you do have some local politicians who are trying to, and state politicians, who are trying to introduce bills now that will bring medical marijuana to the state of Florida, because what they're trying to do is beat 2016, where not only is it a presidential election,

00:18:34.000 so turnout in Florida could be as much as, I don't know, 12%.

00:18:38.000 Why don't people vote?

00:18:39.000 Why don't people vote?

00:18:40.000 Well, they feel discouraged.

00:18:42.000 They don't think it works.

00:18:43.000 You look at the system itself.

00:18:44.000 You look at special interest groups and lobbyists and the amount of money that corporations donate towards campaigns.

00:18:50.000 But they do that to mobilize.

00:18:51.000 Not just to impact how people are going to vote, but just to get people going out to vote.

00:18:56.000 One thing's for sure.

00:18:57.000 If you don't vote, your vote's not going to be counted.

00:19:00.000 I can guarantee.

00:19:01.000 I can guarantee that.

00:19:03.000 So the special interest money really goes towards mobilizing People who are already, in a way, like-minded.

00:19:03.000 Right.

00:19:11.000 Like you said, the elderly population, which is really what helped kill, I think, recreational marijuana here, or the expansion of marijuana laws in California. 0.98

00:19:19.000 It was...

00:19:20.000 You weren't quite there yet.

00:19:23.000 People weren't, I think, getting out...

00:19:25.000 Not getting out the vote, per se, but they weren't convincing the elderly population, who, by the way, probably need marijuana even more than I do.

00:19:42.000 Yeah, that's what they think it is.

00:19:43.000 Yeah, which doesn't make any sense.

00:19:45.000 Not to mention, what could any governor...

00:19:47.000 Or any politician or anybody in this country do in the single stroke of a pen that would create the kind of economy that that brings.

00:19:55.000 How do you create jobs, you know, that many jobs and that kind of revenue in one fell swoop.

00:20:02.000 That marijuana can bring.

00:20:03.000 There's nothing else I could possibly think of that you could do where you could say, like, overnight we could just create...

00:20:09.000 An epic industry that not only hurts no one but helps millions of people and more importantly decriminalizes a class of people in this country that we have needlessly spent untold millions of dollars to deprive them of life,

00:20:26.000 liberty and property.

00:20:27.000 And you're right, I need to smoke.

00:20:29.000 The amount of money that they're making in Colorado is so staggering, they have to give it back to the taxpayers.

00:20:35.000 Have you read that?

00:20:36.000 Yeah, the refunds.

00:20:37.000 It's insane.

00:20:38.000 They're giving people money back.

00:20:39.000 We have too much money for education now!

00:20:41.000 They are literally making...

00:20:44.000 Untold millions of dollars in tax revenue that would be unavailable otherwise.

00:20:48.000 And most likely the same amount of people are smoking weed, which just lets you know that this is just really an inefficient use of public resources.

00:20:56.000 It's an inefficient use of a commodity, which is a natural commodity that's a part of life. 0.96

00:21:02.000 I mean, marijuana is a goddamn plant that's been used for thousands of years. 0.96

00:21:05.000 In Florida, we had a pill mill crisis. 1.00

00:21:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:08.000 Of the likes that we have.

00:21:09.000 I mean, an epidemic of death.

00:21:12.000 Well, I had the folks on that did that documentary, the Oxycontin Express.

00:21:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:16.000 Great.

00:21:17.000 Amazing, amazing.

00:21:18.000 I think it was up to seven people a day were dying in the state of Florida.

00:21:22.000 These are men, women, and children.

00:21:24.000 It's not enough. 1.00

00:21:25.000 You should kill more. 1.00

00:21:26.000 You guys should have opened up more pill plants in response. 1.00

00:21:28.000 Too many people in Florida.

00:21:29.000 Too many people.

00:21:31.000 In the north, I'd prefer the north.

00:21:33.000 They say in Florida, the further north you go, the further south you are.

00:21:36.000 Yeah, I know.

00:21:36.000 Because you forget that this was like Jim Crow South in Florida.

00:21:40.000 South Florida is like a tropical country.

00:21:43.000 Yeah, well, it's like, the only way I can compare it to people who might get some perspective, it's like Atlanta in Georgia.

00:21:49.000 Yes.

00:21:50.000 You know, kind of South Florida is like, because we're still very much a red, we're like a red state.

00:21:55.000 With a blue foreskin that everybody wishes they could just circumcise, like, right off the state. 0.91

00:21:59.000 And in fact, the city of South Miami is an interesting thing about Miami-Dade. 0.67

00:22:01.000 Nobody even knows this.

00:22:02.000 Miami-Dade County, which has about, I think, 2.6 million people now, we're made up of, like, 34 different municipalities.

00:22:09.000 So there's a total of, like, 35 different mayors in just Miami-Dade County.

00:22:12.000 Really?

00:22:13.000 Yeah, and the city of Miami is just one small city among the 34 in Miami-Dade County.

00:22:18.000 And in fact, Dade County, get this, it used to be called Dade County or Metro-Dade County, in 97...

00:22:23.000 We rebranded, we voted to change the name of the town.

00:22:26.000 Like, where else other than, like, Bombay and Mumbai?

00:22:29.000 Like, you think of a place that, like, changes the name.

00:22:32.000 We rebranded it to Miami-Dade County to borrow, essentially, the most famous brand that we have, which is the most famous city in the area.

00:22:39.000 And so, one of these cities, these 34 municipalities, we have 34 municipalities, and I think...

00:22:45.000 To be fair, there's still 30 of them who haven't had their mayor arrested yet in the last two years.

00:22:49.000 So that's a pretty good ratio.

00:22:51.000 But the city of South Miami, actually, they had like a resolution to...

00:22:58.000 Essentially, not secede from the union, but split Florida down the middle into two separate states.

00:23:04.000 A North Florida and a South Florida.

00:23:08.000 Which is a great, great idea.

00:23:11.000 For real?

00:23:12.000 It'll never happen, because South Florida's revenue is what...

00:23:17.000 Finance is Tallahassee, which is the state capital, which is in the panhandle in northern Florida.

00:23:21.000 So that'll never happen because they live off the fat of our land and our tourism trade.

00:23:26.000 So that'll never happen, but it's a great idea when you look at the politics, when you look at the demographics and the thought process, we are very much two different states.

00:23:39.000 So South Florida is more democratic, it's more liberal.

00:23:42.000 Yeah, that's the blue tip.

00:23:43.000 But there's a lot of Cubans that are very Republican, right?

00:23:46.000 They were.

00:23:47.000 A lot of conservative?

00:23:47.000 They were.

00:23:48.000 Ever since Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs, they took a hard right.

00:23:53.000 I mean, there are Cubans who have not voted Democrat since Kennedy.

00:23:57.000 Wow.

00:23:58.000 But you're seeing now a new generation, third and fourth generation Cubans who are now being actually born in Miami.

00:24:04.000 You see this trend changing.

00:24:06.000 Miami used to go to Miami and you say...

00:24:08.000 Really, anywhere in Florida.

00:24:08.000 I'd say, where are you from?

00:24:09.000 And even if people were there for 60 years, they'd go, Cuba, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York.

00:24:14.000 No one was from Miami.

00:24:16.000 That's changing now.

00:24:17.000 You see a little bit of this 305 till I die, this kind of like, you know, this spirit of like, the spirit of like...

00:24:23.000 This ownership of belonging, which I keep hoping is going to manifest itself in people driving better and using their turn signals and being nicer to each other.

00:24:29.000 I keep trying to say, it's not my Emmy or your Emmy.

00:24:32.000 It's our Emmy.

00:24:33.000 This is a collective experience here, people.

00:24:35.000 We're in this together.

00:24:36.000 Let's just be nicer to each other, but it's not working.

00:24:40.000 You're a Miami fanboy.

00:24:41.000 I am.

00:24:42.000 I'm a homeboy.

00:24:43.000 And I get homesick when I travel, too.

00:24:45.000 Like, I miss it.

00:24:46.000 Especially when I go...

00:24:47.000 LA's different because it's not homogenized.

00:24:49.000 But when I travel around to places where, like...

00:24:51.000 I'm like, I'm nervous.

00:24:52.000 There's too many white people here. 1.00

00:24:53.000 Like, I need some arroz con pollo. 0.99

00:24:55.000 I need some cafe con leche.

00:24:56.000 Like, I get nervous when there's not...

00:24:58.000 You know, when there's, like, a homogenized population.

00:25:01.000 I don't like that.

00:25:01.000 I like to mix it up.

00:25:02.000 I don't know.

00:25:03.000 Miami...

00:25:03.000 Because Miami, like, you just...

00:25:05.000 I mean, you can drive a stretch of blocks in Miami Beach and you go from...

00:25:09.000 The Argentinian neighborhood to the Venezuelan neighborhood to the Brazilian neighborhood.

00:25:12.000 I should say this.

00:25:13.000 There's a common misconception that Miami is a melting pot.

00:25:15.000 We are not a melting pot.

00:25:17.000 We are more akin to a TV dinner where sometimes the peas fall over into the mashed potatoes.

00:25:21.000 Because we self-segregate.

00:25:23.000 We do that anywhere we go as people.

00:25:25.000 We find like-minded or...

00:25:26.000 Chinatown.

00:25:27.000 Yeah, similar looking people and we stick to our own.

00:25:30.000 So in Miami, you know, you have the Jewish neighborhood, you have a Haitian neighborhood, you have an African American neighborhood, you have a Cuban neighborhood, a Cuban neighborhood, a Cuban neighborhood, a Cuban neighborhood.

00:25:39.000 You have, then like I was saying, in Miami Beach even, you have Venezuela, Brazilian neighborhood.

00:25:45.000 They don't, you know, even the South Americans, which... 0.97

00:25:48.000 The thing they hate the most is being called Latin or Hispanic.

00:25:51.000 They're very prideful and nationalistic people.

00:25:53.000 They want to be associated with their nation.

00:25:56.000 You can't get into an argument with anybody in Miami until you see what flag is hanging from the rearview mirror.

00:26:00.000 Because, God forbid, dude, you should call an Argentinian a Venezuelan, a Venezuelan, a Cuban, a Cuban, a Brazilian, or any of them a Mexican. 0.90

00:26:10.000 They all hate Mexicans for some reason. 0.96

00:26:13.000 Wow. 0.99

00:26:14.000 Why?

00:26:15.000 Why do they hate Mexicans?

00:26:15.000 I don't know, but they...

00:26:16.000 And all of them, if you ask any of them, they'll tell you, oh, my great...

00:26:19.000 Bro, like, for truth, bro, like, seriously, like, my great-great-grandfather is from Spain.

00:26:24.000 They all claim they're European. 0.66

00:26:26.000 None of them are Caribbean.

00:26:27.000 They're all European. 0.99

00:26:27.000 It's kind of fun. 0.99

00:26:28.000 And I like that kind of incendiary mix of people, you know?

00:26:33.000 And, like, 1980 was like... 0.98

00:26:34.000 Which is kind of the inspiration of Cooking Cowboys was like, that year were, like, all of the chemicals just mixed together and shit just exploded. 0.87

00:26:42.000 And that's... 0.67

00:26:43.000 There's that tension in Miami constantly that I think just makes it an exciting place, particularly when anybody outside of Miami, they think there's only one hotel, the Colony, on Ocean Drive.

00:26:55.000 Because wherever you are in Miami, all you know is 15 blocks of Ocean Drive.

00:26:59.000 And even when you watch...

00:27:02.000 Miami Dolphins games, or like the Orange Bowl game, which is at Joe Robbie Stadium, right now Sun Life Stadium, in Miami Gardens, one of the most dangerous municipalities in Miami, one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the world is Miami Gardens.

00:27:12.000 That's where the stadium's located.

00:27:14.000 They'll crossfade from the game to the blimp aerial of the stadium, and then they'll crossfade to Ocean Drive, as if that's right outside.

00:27:21.000 It's 18 miles away.

00:27:23.000 From the stadium.

00:27:25.000 But that's what people associate with Miami.

00:27:27.000 Most of Miami is third-world-ian. 1.00

00:27:30.000 I mean, Miami-Dade County has, I think, only the second greatest disparity in income gap of any major county in the country.

00:27:38.000 We are...

00:27:40.000 T.D. Allman had a book called City of the Future about Miami.

00:27:45.000 They say that the Florida of today is the America of tomorrow. 0.99

00:27:48.000 And if you want to know what shit is going to go down in America... 0.99

00:27:51.000 What calamities are going to befall this country in like the next 20 years or so? 0.99

00:27:56.000 You look at what's going on in Miami or Florida, that is the barometer of whether it's the drug trade, immigration, what we're dealing with now with the browning of America, if you will, the Hispanicizing of America, and the pushback. 0.99

00:28:08.000 We've been through all of that shit. 0.98

00:28:10.000 Medicare, fraud, you name it, we have experienced it already in Miami or in the greater Florida area. 1.00

00:28:18.000 And we know what's coming, basically.

00:28:22.000 You sure?

00:28:23.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:25.000 We got everything but earthquakes and mudslides.

00:28:28.000 How did you get involved with this documentary, Cocaine Cowboys?

00:28:31.000 What was the inspiration to make this?

00:28:33.000 Just knowing the history of how crazy Miami was and what led to this massive surge of drugs into that part of the country?

00:28:44.000 What was our childhood in a weird way?

00:28:46.000 I mean, we grew up in Miami.

00:28:47.000 I was born in a place called Fort Myers, Florida on the West Coast.

00:28:50.000 So you lived out here.

00:28:52.000 Only for a couple years, you know, for like five pilot seasons or whatever the hell you do.

00:28:56.000 Did your parents bring you out here to do that?

00:28:58.000 Yeah, I asked them to.

00:29:00.000 Whoa.

00:29:01.000 Yeah, I asked them to.

00:29:02.000 Wow, so it wasn't even that you had stage parents, it was all you.

00:29:05.000 Dude, every year, my parents would say to me, whenever you're done.

00:29:09.000 Yeah, they would say, whenever you're done.

00:29:11.000 That's just like that.

00:29:12.000 That was a dead ringer, oddly, for my dad.

00:29:15.000 He's transitioning now.

00:29:16.000 That was weird.

00:29:19.000 Transitioning.

00:29:19.000 You can say that a few years ago.

00:29:21.000 No, no, what the fuck you're talking about? 0.99

00:29:23.000 But you say, he's transitioning now. 1.00

00:29:25.000 It's like, is there this overwhelming influx of transgender people in our culture?

00:29:29.000 Is that what's going on?

00:29:30.000 Or we're just more aware of it.

00:29:32.000 I guess.

00:29:33.000 Either or.

00:29:33.000 And it's kind of okay.

00:29:34.000 I mean, gay people got married in Alabama this week.

00:29:37.000 It's a new world, man.

00:29:39.000 The internet.

00:29:40.000 It's kind of fantastic.

00:29:42.000 When I was traveling, we were on set of this pilot in Puerto Rico.

00:29:47.000 And while I was on the plane, there was no internet on this flight because we're coming from Puerto Rico for whatever reason.

00:29:53.000 And so as soon as I landed, Obama had announced the new Cuba policy.

00:29:57.000 And I landed in Miami.

00:29:59.000 While this was going on in the air, and no one really knew exactly how Miami was going to react.

00:30:04.000 The truth is, a lot of the hardline, older, conservative Cubans have died off.

00:30:08.000 The demographic is changing.

00:30:09.000 There are Cuban kids growing up now who don't want to never get to see Cuba before they die, like a lot of their grandparents and great-grandparents never got to go back.

00:30:17.000 So the sentiment was very different from Circa Elian Gonzalez.

00:30:21.000 That was like the last gasp of, you know, Right-wing exile politics was really the Elian Gonzalez fiasco and so this this was a little bit calmer but like I landed I was like I just landed in a whole new world like it was an incredible and and whether you agree with policies or not it's kind of cool to see when you're hyper aware that like history is happening in your lifetime and before your eyes and that's what Miami was like in the 1980s and growing up we were even aware of it when I was most aware of it as a kid was the money

00:30:53.000 We lived in this working class Jewish neighborhood in North Miami Beach and everybody was doing good.

00:30:59.000 They weren't in the drug business per se, but this is the best, is the most successful case study in history for Ronald Reagan's trickle-down economics theory.

00:31:07.000 Because there was so much cash in Miami and it trickled down to everyone.

00:31:13.000 Whatever business you were in, You were making more cash.

00:31:17.000 Because of the drug trade.

00:31:18.000 Because of the drug trade.

00:31:19.000 There was so much cash.

00:31:20.000 Tourism, by 1980, tourism and real estate, they were like our top businesses.

00:31:24.000 Tourism was bringing in about $5.2 billion a year in Miami.

00:31:29.000 Drugs, they were estimating, was generating $7 billion a year.

00:31:33.000 So it was an even bigger business than tourism in the early 1980s.

00:31:37.000 In our neighborhood people made additions to their houses.

00:31:43.000 They had a Porsche or a nicer car.

00:31:45.000 And these are people who were jewelers or in the grocery business or car dealers.

00:31:49.000 Just working people, but suddenly everybody was a little flush, and they weren't upgrading in a major way.

00:31:55.000 They were just getting themselves some toys that they could get with the fruits of their labor and this newfound revenue generation.

00:32:04.000 Influx of cash.

00:32:05.000 Yeah, and you've heard the stats from the movie about...

00:32:08.000 You know, the branch of the Federal Reserve in Miami had a cash surplus of more money than all the branches combined in the country.

00:32:17.000 There was just more cash in Miami.

00:32:18.000 Nobody had any place to put it.

00:32:19.000 What you saw in Scarface, when banks were charging a vig to deposit cash...

00:32:24.000 That was true.

00:32:25.000 They had no place to put cash.

00:32:26.000 There was just too much cash.

00:32:28.000 And it's true that if you took a $20 bill or denomination of 20 or above cash in Miami and tested it, there were traces of cocaine on almost every single bill in Miami.

00:32:38.000 So it was literally drug money.

00:32:41.000 That's amazing.

00:32:42.000 It's an amazing time, and your documentary really captures it so brilliantly.

00:32:47.000 When you highlighted that one graduating class of the police academy, that every single guy either went to jail or was murdered, every single one.

00:33:00.000 I mean, that's an amazing moment in human history, where you just get to see...

00:33:06.000 Essentially, it's a version of what's going on in Mexico right now.

00:33:09.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:33:10.000 And it's actually a version, interestingly, of what's going on in the United States in terms of hiring practices and better screening people in law enforcement and people in the public sector in general.

00:33:21.000 Because what happened there is that you didn't have...

00:33:25.000 Good people who became cops and then the power went to their head and they became corrupt or anything like that.

00:33:31.000 You had gangsters, straight up thugs, who decided, well, where better to apply my trade than hiding behind a badge?

00:33:41.000 That's what happened.

00:33:42.000 So these weren't like, these were bad guys who, it became, we had a, what happened was there was a federal judge, there was a consent decree.

00:33:50.000 A federal judge, it was a civil rights action, a federal judge looked at the demographics, the changing demographics of Miami, and said, basically 100% of the Miami Police Department was white.

00:34:02.000 And they said, you need a police force that better represents the community that they're policing.

00:34:08.000 And so it was a federal judge who just waved his magic pen and said, hire more black officers, hire far more Hispanic officers so you have a police force that reflects the community.

00:34:24.000 And what happened, I hate to say it, but it's true, they kept reducing the standards.

00:34:31.000 For hiring.

00:34:32.000 And that's what happened.

00:34:33.000 Is that they wound up with guys who were like, wait, I'm on the streets.

00:34:38.000 I'm a straight up gangster.

00:34:40.000 But the Miami police are hiring.

00:34:43.000 Like, that's what happened.

00:34:45.000 So, really, the system worked in a way in that they weeded out the worst of them.

00:34:50.000 And that's, I think it's a little bit opposite.

00:34:52.000 I think, by and large, you have a lot of good cops now.

00:34:54.000 But the problem is that they're not sufficiently screening in the hiring process to say...

00:35:00.000 Still?

00:35:00.000 Oh, I think so all over the country.

00:35:02.000 I think you've got guys who are sort of naturally aggressive.

00:35:04.000 You have a steroid epidemic in the police departments that the unions have completely precluded municipalities from being able to test officers.

00:35:14.000 I think you have, again, an epidemic that affects a certain minority or percentage of officers and departments, but it's still an issue that you don't want guys like that with the ability to deprive people of life, liberty, and property.

00:35:27.000 Yeah, the steroid thing is absolutely legit.

00:35:30.000 I got pulled over by a dude who looked like Ronnie Coleman, who, by the way, was a police officer.

00:35:35.000 Ronnie Coleman, who was Mr. Olympia, was a police officer.

00:35:38.000 Wow.

00:35:38.000 I did not know that.

00:35:40.000 I don't know if he still is, but yeah, I mean, he was a longtime police officer, but this guy that pulled me over was ridiculous. 0.74

00:35:46.000 And we had a nice little chat, you know?

00:35:49.000 He's a nice guy.

00:35:50.000 He's a fan?

00:35:51.000 Yeah, he was a good guy, but I mean, this dude was juiced. 1.00

00:35:55.000 He was, I mean, 5'9", 270, somewhere around then, which doesn't happen in nature unless you're a fucking gorilla. 0.99

00:36:04.000 It just doesn't happen. 0.98

00:36:06.000 You would have to, to get that big naturally, you couldn't have a job.

00:36:11.000 You would have to be eating 30,000 calories a day.

00:36:14.000 And at the gym, I guess.

00:36:15.000 And you would have to be lifting weights literally all day.

00:36:18.000 I mean, and you could probably maintain that amount of mass for a couple years and then everything would break.

00:36:23.000 I mean, it's just, it doesn't happen in nature. 0.98

00:36:25.000 And I looked at this dude, I'm like, you are going to fucking, you're going to enforce laws? 0.98

00:36:32.000 Hello, glass house. 1.00

00:36:35.000 You better not bust people for drugs, motherfucker, because you're on a ton of them. 1.00

00:36:41.000 Steroids, call them drugs or hormones or whatever you want to call them. 0.99

00:36:45.000 The idea, and I've talked to guys in martial arts that say, I have to be prepared because the people that I'm running into out on the street, I'm running into really bad guys and I want to be enhanced. 0.93

00:36:59.000 I'm not that familiar with it, but like The research, I understand, it fucks with your mind.

00:37:06.000 Like, your temper, your anger, your obviously- Most definitely.

00:37:06.000 Oh, most definitely.

00:37:09.000 Well, I mean, there's levels, of course, like everything else.

00:37:13.000 Like, you could smoke a little pot and be fine and carry on a conversation, or you can get so stoned you don't remember who you are. 0.99

00:37:20.000 I mean, you could really get fucked up. 0.96

00:37:21.000 You can get so stoned you look at a phone and you're like, what is this? 1.00

00:37:24.000 You know, you get pretty fucked up, right? 0.98

00:37:27.000 Or you could take a little puff and just kick back and watch a movie. 0.99

00:37:30.000 Don't talk about Coco like that. 0.83

00:37:32.000 Don't talk about Coco.

00:37:32.000 Yeah, Coco knows what's up.

00:37:33.000 What is this?

00:37:34.000 He can tolerate more than any living human being.

00:37:37.000 Joey Diaz can eat, he eats it mostly.

00:37:40.000 You know, he'll have those pot edibles, but he'll go so deep that you can't even believe he's still alive.

00:37:45.000 He just goes deep.

00:37:47.000 But my point being is that I assume that some of these guys, you could take a small amount of steroids and probably it would help you recover.

00:37:58.000 But the problem with those guys is they can never get off of it.

00:38:02.000 Like Joey Diaz has a friend that's been on steroids since 1987. A-Rod?

00:38:07.000 It's a different guy.

00:38:07.000 Oh no, I'm sorry.

00:38:08.000 It's a different guy.

00:38:09.000 His friend from Jersey that's a bodybuilder that has never gotten off steroids.

00:38:15.000 He's literally been on steroids since 1987 and he's Joey's age.

00:38:19.000 You know, he's like 51. He's fine.

00:38:21.000 He's healthy. 0.99

00:38:22.000 He's fucking big as a house. 0.99

00:38:22.000 Really? 0.99

00:38:24.000 He never stopped lifting.

00:38:26.000 Never stopped doing steroids. 0.97

00:38:27.000 But I mean, yeah, but he's a maniac.

00:38:29.000 I think you could probably take a little bit, and it would probably help you recover, and you'd be alright. 0.99

00:38:35.000 But most definitely, if you take a lot, like this cop that pulled me over, he had to be on all kinds of shit. 1.00

00:38:42.000 That's gonna fuck with your temper. 0.99

00:38:43.000 I mean, you essentially become a different thing. 0.99

00:38:46.000 We were kind of discussing this yesterday because there's an epidemic of steroids in the UFC. I mean, a true epidemic.

00:38:52.000 And not just the UFC, but MMA in general.

00:38:54.000 There's been some high-level guys that have tested positive in other organizations.

00:38:58.000 And even guys that swore they never took anything and would mock other people who took performance-enhancing drugs.

00:39:04.000 And they got popped.

00:39:05.000 So there's...

00:39:07.000 There's a real issue that we're all, as the mixed martial arts community, sort of coming to grips with now.

00:39:13.000 But as a police officer, I think being calm and having a sense of peacefulness, of being able to diffuse situations, that was my thing about the Trayvon Martin thing.

00:39:30.000 When everybody was talking about George Zimmerman and The people that were supporting Zimmerman, they were like, you know, hey, George Zimmerman got attacked, and George Zimmerman, I'm like, okay, here's the problem with that. 1.00

00:39:39.000 George Zimmerman was a fucking moron, first of all, first and foremost. 1.00

00:39:43.000 He wanted to be a cop, they wouldn't let him be a cop, which is fucking bad, which means you gotta be a real moron, you know, because I've met some morons that are cops, you know? 1.00

00:39:52.000 Most cops I meet are great folks, but we all know a few idiots that became cops. 1.00

00:39:57.000 This guy was too fucking stupid to be one of those idiots. 1.00

00:40:00.000 You know, they were like, you're too dumb. 1.00

00:40:01.000 You can't be a cop. 1.00

00:40:02.000 So they give him this job as this community patrol guy, right? 1.00

00:40:06.000 And, second of all, he let this kid, this young kid, was kicking his fucking ass. 0.99

00:40:11.000 This young kid got on top of him, was beating his head off the curb, like, okay, how'd that happen? 1.00

00:40:16.000 Do you not know how to fight at all? 1.00

00:40:17.000 If you don't know how to fight at all, how the fuck are you a cop? 1.00

00:40:20.000 Here's the rub, that no matter which version of the events you choose to believe, Trayvon stood his ground first. 0.98

00:40:27.000 Is actually what happened.

00:40:29.000 So this stand-your-ground situation becomes like, who wins?

00:40:33.000 It becomes a stare-down of this face-off.

00:40:36.000 It's a shoot-out, you know, and it's like, who wins?

00:40:38.000 Because what happened was he was being followed by some creepy dude with a gun.

00:40:44.000 He was a kid coming back from 7-Eleven with Arizona Ice Team Skittles walking back to his dad's house.

00:40:50.000 But the creepy guy with a gun was a security guard.

00:40:52.000 No, he was a neighborhood watcher.

00:40:53.000 But doesn't he have an outfit on?

00:40:55.000 No, hell no.

00:40:56.000 He was a volunteer.

00:40:57.000 He had a poncho on or whatever he had.

00:40:58.000 It was raining.

00:40:59.000 And that's why Trayvon had a hoodie on.

00:41:00.000 It was raining.

00:41:02.000 So he doesn't have anything that identifies him as a security officer?

00:41:05.000 No, no badge.

00:41:05.000 He was on the phone with 911 and they're telling him, stay in your car, sir.

00:41:09.000 Stay in your car.

00:41:10.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:41:11.000 Yeah, and he gets out of the car, and this kid was on the phone with this girl, and he's like, there's some dude following me.

00:41:17.000 He's in his car, he's getting out of his car, and she was worried for him.

00:41:21.000 As it turns out, he was a creepy dude with a gun who was stalking this kid who was walking back to his dad's house with an iced tea and Skittles, for crying out loud. 0.88

00:41:29.000 I actually wasn't aware that he didn't have an outfit, which is more ridiculous. 0.84

00:41:32.000 No, he's like a volunteer neighborhood watchman guy. 0.71

00:41:35.000 Nobody elected him or assigned him.

00:41:37.000 He took it upon himself because there was some robberies in the neighborhood.

00:41:40.000 And he went and stalked, and he got jumped because this kid was scared.

00:41:44.000 So there's no organization whatsoever?

00:41:46.000 Well, there's probably a community organization, but I don't know that there's any formal...

00:41:50.000 He wasn't a member of any formal organization that I'm aware of.

00:41:53.000 And I was tweeting about this, and this to me was just objective...

00:41:57.000 These were just objective facts to me.

00:41:59.000 And what came into play was one of the most disturbing things.

00:42:03.000 I mean...

00:42:05.000 Okay, alright, I'm gonna tell this story.

00:42:06.000 It's gonna push off a lot of people.

00:42:07.000 Tell it, Billy Corbin!

00:42:09.000 Get down! 0.98

00:42:10.000 So we have a fan page.

00:42:12.000 We did this documentary for ESPN called The U about the University of Miami football program.

00:42:16.000 We just did a sequel late last year.

00:42:18.000 And so we had this fan page that we put on Facebook, which has about 185,000 or so fans.

00:42:24.000 And it's one of the most like kind of largest and most interactive pages for Hurricanes football fans.

00:42:30.000 So every once in a while, I kind of troll the page.

00:42:34.000 You do?

00:42:35.000 I troll my own page.

00:42:36.000 Why do you do that?

00:42:38.000 As a sociological experiment?

00:42:40.000 I don't know.

00:42:42.000 We'll just put like Warren Sapp got busted.

00:42:48.000 Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. 1.00

00:42:49.000 It's the stupidest fucking law ever. 1.00

00:42:51.000 The stupidest, stupidest law. 1.00

00:42:52.000 And to me, it's just an example of sort of these arcane, patriarchal, like, women can't decide what to do with their bodies. 1.00

00:42:59.000 We decide what they can do with their bodies. 0.94

00:43:01.000 And what contractual arrangements consenting adults can enter into.

00:43:06.000 But porn's legal.

00:43:07.000 Which it should be.

00:43:08.000 But then...

00:43:09.000 So if there's a camera in the room...

00:43:10.000 Yeah.

00:43:11.000 That changes the entire dynamic of this thing?

00:43:13.000 Well, there was a girl that was hanging around the Comedy Store way back in the day that actually said that to one of my friends. 0.99

00:43:18.000 She was a porn star, and she said, you know, he, he, somehow they got into this conversation, and she said, you can fuck me as long as you have a camera in the room. 1.00

00:43:27.000 Private shoot. 1.00

00:43:28.000 We do a private shoot.

00:43:29.000 And he was like, what?

00:43:30.000 It was like, hold on.

00:43:31.000 He was like trying to figure it out.

00:43:33.000 I have a line for every time a woman told me that. 1.00

00:43:34.000 She had a fee, you know, she goes, you pay my fee, you put a camera in the room, you can fuck me. 1.00

00:43:39.000 And he's like, so is that prostitution? 1.00

00:43:41.000 She goes, not legally.

00:43:42.000 And I go, okay.

00:43:43.000 And then we thought about it.

00:43:44.000 We're like, yeah, I guess that isn't prostitution. 1.00

00:43:45.000 Dude, the resources, the resources that police departments spend These stings.

00:43:52.000 On prostitution.

00:43:53.000 To create crime that otherwise wouldn't exist. 0.98

00:43:55.000 They make cops dress up like hookers. 1.00

00:43:57.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:43:58.000 Which, by the way, first of all is dangerous for them.

00:44:00.000 Very. 0.66

00:44:01.000 And second of all, they're just creating crime that wouldn't otherwise exist unless this cop dressed as a hooker was standing on the corner. 0.99

00:44:08.000 They've actually passed laws in certain states that make it legal for cops to have sex with prostitutes. 0.98

00:44:15.000 As part of the sting. 0.76

00:44:16.000 As part of the sting.

00:44:17.000 Which, that seems fair.

00:44:18.000 Hilarious.

00:44:19.000 That seems right. 0.97

00:44:20.000 God damn hilarious. 0.95

00:44:23.000 Why would anybody think that there's two legal systems here in this country? 1.00

00:44:27.000 I wanna make sure that none of these whores are out there sucking dicks, so I'm gonna go get my dick sucked just to ensure she knows I'm legit. 1.00

00:44:35.000 I'm pretty sure, by the way, a contract is offer acceptance and consideration. 1.00

00:44:42.000 I don't know that you actually have to deliver on it in order to say the contract, you know, this is an illegal contract that you've entered into, you're under arrest. 0.97

00:44:49.000 I can't imagine that that's necessary to go into court and say, no, no, your honor, she's really a hooker. 1.00

00:44:55.000 I paid her, and we had sex. 0.99

00:44:58.000 Like, is that really necessary? 0.97

00:44:59.000 And how is that legal?

00:45:01.000 Well, my friend got busted in a sting operation in New York, and he was flirting with these girls, and one of them said something like, you want to party or something like that?

00:45:11.000 And he's like, party?

00:45:13.000 Like, what do you mean, like, sex?

00:45:13.000 Like, what does that mean?

00:45:16.000 And she goes, yeah.

00:45:17.000 And he goes, is it going to cost me anything?

00:45:19.000 She goes, how much do you want to pay me?

00:45:21.000 He goes, $10,000.

00:45:22.000 Like, he's just joking around.

00:45:23.000 And they give the Take down order. 0.99

00:45:25.000 And they fucking arrested him. 1.00

00:45:26.000 Crazy. 1.00

00:45:26.000 Like that. 1.00

00:45:27.000 I mean, he was a drunk guy coming out of a bar flirting with some girls that he didn't know were cops, and they were manipulating the language in order to get him to say that. 0.99

00:45:37.000 Like, he was just being a silly goose. 0.97

00:45:39.000 He was just being a silly guy trying to make—he's a comic, so he's just trying to make these girls laugh like, $10,000! 0.99

00:45:45.000 Like, saying $10,000! 0.99

00:45:46.000 Who the fuck is going to pay a street walker $10,000? 0.99

00:45:50.000 Who even comes up with that on their first offer? 1.00

00:45:53.000 I mean, for $10,000, you can fuck a famous porn star for $10,000. 1.00

00:45:59.000 Yeah, I mean, it's mind-numbing. 1.00

00:45:59.000 First offer. 1.00

00:46:01.000 If it had been...

00:46:03.000 A counteroffer, it would have been more reasonable for $10,000?

00:46:07.000 If he said, you know, $500 and she said a million, and he's like, oh, hold on.

00:46:12.000 When you consider these two women officers, you consider their backup, you consider the surveillance, you consider...

00:46:19.000 Then, when you have to process a John...

00:46:21.000 He was in jail for 24 hours.

00:46:23.000 And the manpower involved in processing...

00:46:29.000 What other crime was going on that night?

00:46:31.000 A lot.

00:46:32.000 Yeah.

00:46:32.000 Like victim.

00:46:33.000 Not victimless, but victimful.

00:46:33.000 Victimful.

00:46:35.000 Victimful crime was occurring.

00:46:35.000 Yeah.

00:46:37.000 Oh, my God.

00:46:37.000 Oh, I totally dodged the trolling my own page bullet.

00:46:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:42.000 Should I tell that story?

00:46:43.000 We'll keep going with this.

00:46:43.000 Yeah, please do.

00:46:44.000 Okay, I never told this story to anyone publicly before.

00:46:48.000 What page is this that you're talking about?

00:46:49.000 Okay, it's facebook.com forward slash the you movie.

00:46:52.000 Okay.

00:46:53.000 When I say troll the page, we're kind of like the New York Post of UM football fan pages.

00:46:59.000 We're like the tabloid.

00:47:00.000 We don't just post the press releases that come out of the athletic department.

00:47:04.000 We'll post whatever that's kind of peripherally involved in Miami football or pop culture surrounding Miami football.

00:47:11.000 Snoop throws up the U in a music video. 1.00

00:47:14.000 Shit like that. 1.00

00:47:16.000 On the day of the Zimmerman verdict... 0.99

00:47:21.000 There was a picture that had been on the internet for some time from like Trayvon Martin's 11th birthday or something like that where his parents or whomever got him a birthday cake with the U logo.

00:47:34.000 He was apparently a Hurricanes fan.

00:47:36.000 You know he's a South Florida kid and so it was him smiling 11 year old kid and his UM happy birthday cake.

00:47:45.000 Great.

00:47:47.000 So I was just like, you know what I'm going to do?

00:47:49.000 I'm not going to say a word.

00:47:50.000 I'm going to post this picture to the Facebook page.

00:47:55.000 And I can't tell you how all social media hell broke loose in that community.

00:48:00.000 And I would venture to say that you could write papers on the state of America's race relations based solely on the comments from that image.

00:48:12.000 It was one of the most disturbing...

00:48:15.000 Just exchanges about America and race and crime that I have just ever seen in my life.

00:48:22.000 It was so disturbing.

00:48:24.000 And I just left it there.

00:48:25.000 It was kind of like a Rorschach.

00:48:27.000 And people were writing private messages like, I'm unfriending or unliking this page.

00:48:32.000 Why don't you post a picture?

00:48:34.000 First of all, that's not what he looked like.

00:48:38.000 When, you know, when he was killed, and they post, like, one of those fake pictures of, like, some rapper that, like, people claimed was Trayvon, and, like, things that were debunked, you know, via scopes and otherwise, like, you know, months or years earlier, and just, like, the craziness that ensued,

00:48:54.000 and I'm like, hey, listen, you find a picture of, uh...

00:48:58.000 George Zimmerman in a U sweater or whatever, I'll post that too.

00:49:02.000 This is...

00:49:02.000 I mean, like, what do you want?

00:49:03.000 It was just...

00:49:04.000 Because I posted pictures of Barack Obama throwing up the U and then Mitt Romney was campaigning and he threw up the U. Didn't you like...

00:49:10.000 How do you throw up the U? Do you go like this?

00:49:11.000 Yeah, you just put...

00:49:12.000 Well, it's more like...

00:49:13.000 Yeah, it's like this.

00:49:14.000 Yeah, usually I sort of put a break in it because there's like air in between, but like, yeah, but like, yeah, that's how you throw up the U. So, essentially, but let me get to the point here.

00:49:23.000 Essentially, it was white people who were being racist against Trayvon Martin and were upset that you were posting this image of him with this U-cake.

00:49:31.000 No one was objectively looking at the facts of the situation.

00:49:34.000 They saw a black kid in a hoodie, and right away it was Thug who got what was coming to him.

00:49:40.000 Right.

00:49:40.000 And it didn't matter that he was a human being.

00:49:42.000 It didn't matter that he had smoked pot before.

00:49:45.000 I can't believe that.

00:49:46.000 He was a teenage kid!

00:49:47.000 He was a teenage kid!

00:49:47.000 I'm outraged at that.

00:49:48.000 Pot's illegal in Florida.

00:49:49.000 The kid never got into trouble for anything before in his life.

00:49:52.000 He got in a little bit of trouble in school, which teenage kids do.

00:49:56.000 He's from a broken home.

00:49:57.000 And his mom sent him to spend...

00:49:58.000 She said, my son needs to spend time with his father.

00:50:01.000 I'm going to send him up to spend...

00:50:02.000 These were good people.

00:50:03.000 This was a good family.

00:50:04.000 None of it mattered. 0.97

00:50:05.000 It just mattered that he was black.

00:50:09.000 And there was people who just literally...

00:50:11.000 I'm not suggesting that was everybody, but there were people who just could not get beyond that.

00:50:16.000 Which was just...

00:50:17.000 It led me to this whole...

00:50:20.000 I don't know if you remember the closing argument in A Time to Kill, Matthew McConaughey. 0.99

00:50:26.000 Do you really think I watched that fucking movie? 0.99

00:50:28.000 No, I seriously doubt that. 1.00

00:50:29.000 But it's this whole monologue where he gives you this fact pattern.

00:50:33.000 Mm-hmm. 0.77

00:50:34.000 About this young girl being kidnapped and raped and abused and beaten within an inch of her life, and then he says, now imagine she's white. 0.74

00:50:41.000 Meaning, like, just take the same set of facts and put your kid there.

00:50:45.000 You know?

00:50:46.000 The only reason Zimmerman was following him in the first place.

00:50:50.000 Or switch the races.

00:50:51.000 I thought he was suspicious.

00:50:52.000 Switch the races.

00:50:52.000 Or switch the races.

00:50:53.000 Absolutely. 0.99

00:50:54.000 Have Zimmerman be a black guy with a cop complex. 0.99

00:50:58.000 Right.

00:51:00.000 Well, my point was initially when we started talking about this is that he's so socially unskilled that another guy who maybe was a good cop or another guy who was good with people would have seen this young kid walking and said, how you doing, brother?

00:51:15.000 Everything good tonight?

00:51:16.000 And like, yeah, man, what's up?

00:51:17.000 You know, what are you doing?

00:51:18.000 Just getting some Skittles.

00:51:18.000 All right, well, take care, man.

00:51:20.000 He wants to be dirty fucking Harry. 1.00

00:51:21.000 Yeah, go get dry. 1.00

00:51:23.000 Alright, you too, man.

00:51:24.000 And then we're good.

00:51:25.000 You know?

00:51:25.000 I mean, how many of those exchanges between two human beings could vary radically depending on the social skills of the person that's quote-unquote in a position of power?

00:51:36.000 And that's an issue with what we were talking about earlier with steroids distorting people's aggression, distorting people's perception of danger or of their power over a situation or What's just and what's ethical?

00:51:51.000 Law enforcement officers are allegedly trained to de-escalate.

00:51:54.000 They should be.

00:51:55.000 Most often.

00:51:57.000 Too often we're seeing these stories, thanks to the internet, of situations where calling the police turns an otherwise benign situation potentially deadly.

00:52:06.000 And that's a frightening thought.

00:52:08.000 Because even if these are isolated incidents...

00:52:11.000 The proliferation of them and our exposure to them now, thanks to the internet, is creating an environment where kids are actually feeling like, maybe I shouldn't call the police.

00:52:20.000 Maybe that's not what I should do.

00:52:22.000 And you shouldn't ever feel that way, you know?

00:52:24.000 You shouldn't have that feeling.

00:52:26.000 But I started to lose a lot of, like, when I say friends, I mean, you know, social media friends, friends in quotes, friends and followers on Twitter.

00:52:34.000 And I finally just, like, after the verdict, I was like, listen...

00:52:37.000 It's all good if you unfollow me for my Trayvon Zimmerman tweets. 0.93

00:52:42.000 If Zimmerman had unfollowed Trayvon, we wouldn't even be fucking talking about this. 0.99

00:52:46.000 Oh, damn. 1.00

00:52:47.000 He dropped the bomb on him. 1.00

00:52:49.000 Yeah, look, he was a dummy. 0.99

00:52:51.000 He's a dummy who can't fight, who wanted to be a tough guy. 0.99

00:52:54.000 And Florida. 1.00

00:52:55.000 This fucking kid getting on top of him and beating his fucking ass, and then he shoots him. 1.00

00:52:59.000 You know, I just wish someone had taught Trayvon a little better, and he could have put that fucker to sleep before he ever got the gun out. 1.00

00:53:06.000 You know... 0.99

00:53:08.000 You just can't have a person that's so socially unskilled, which has obviously been proven now.

00:53:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:53:14.000 His records.

00:53:15.000 Yeah, subsequent records. 1.00

00:53:16.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 0.99

00:53:17.000 He pulled a gun out on someone in some sort of a car situation. 1.00

00:53:22.000 He threw a wine bottle at his girlfriend. 0.99

00:53:23.000 He drives like a maniac, apparently. 1.00

00:53:25.000 He's a cunt. 1.00

00:53:26.000 He's a cunt of a human being. 1.00

00:53:28.000 And he's going to kill somebody someday, Joe. 1.00

00:53:30.000 Well, he's probably in jail for a long time now, right? 0.98

00:53:33.000 No, no, no, no.

00:53:33.000 Isn't he?

00:53:34.000 No.

00:53:35.000 No, he got picked up on that domestic abuse rap with his ex-girlfriend.

00:53:38.000 Did he get out?

00:53:38.000 Yeah, he threw a wine bottle at her.

00:53:40.000 She won't cooperate anymore.

00:53:41.000 She's not president. 0.95

00:53:41.000 He's out. 0.95

00:53:42.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's out now.

00:53:44.000 Well, you know what?

00:53:45.000 I'm not a big fan of vigilante justice unless it's a guy like that.

00:53:48.000 And then I'm like, you know, that's a dangerous time bomb.

00:53:49.000 That was Joe that said that, by the way.

00:53:51.000 I did say it. 0.98

00:53:52.000 I am not a fan of vigilante justice, but when cunts get free... 1.00

00:53:56.000 A retweet is not an endorsement. 1.00

00:53:58.000 People have to fire up torches and fucking find where that cunt's sleeping. 1.00

00:54:03.000 It's just, he's a bad person. 1.00

00:54:05.000 He's a bad person that's already done bad things.

00:54:09.000 And he's probably going to continue to do not good things.

00:54:12.000 Maybe.

00:54:13.000 Also, he's become a hero of the Ted Nugent crowd.

00:54:16.000 The people that are standing up for the Second Amendment.

00:54:20.000 What he did was he shot an unlawful thug. 1.00

00:54:26.000 That's fucking retarded, man, and I'm a person who supports the right to bear arms. 1.00

00:54:30.000 You have to remember, the kid did not commit any crimes. 1.00

00:54:33.000 He was standing his ground.

00:54:36.000 This guy was stalking him with a gun.

00:54:38.000 There's no set of facts.

00:54:40.000 Even the way Zimmerman tells it, there's no set of facts or a version of the story that changes those facts.

00:54:46.000 He was stalking a kid who was armed with an Arizona iced tea and Skittles, walking back to his dad's house.

00:54:54.000 And he killed him!

00:54:55.000 You know, he might have been on pot.

00:54:57.000 He was on the pot.

00:54:57.000 On the pot.

00:54:58.000 I think the Michael Brown situation is far more confusing.

00:55:01.000 Because I wish I knew what really happened.

00:55:04.000 I wish I knew. 0.99

00:55:04.000 Everybody putting their arms up in the air and doing this hands up, don't shoot shit. 0.99

00:55:08.000 I really wish that was proven. 0.99

00:55:10.000 That that actually did happen.

00:55:11.000 Maybe perhaps a video.

00:55:13.000 The way more disturbing story to me was the 12 year old who was shot with a toy gun.

00:55:18.000 At a park.

00:55:19.000 Playing in a park.

00:55:20.000 Yeah, the cops just pull up within two seconds, unload on him, all on video.

00:55:24.000 All on video.

00:55:25.000 No confusion whatsoever.

00:55:26.000 There's another situation where the lack of empathy to me in the Twitterverse is just, like, staggering.

00:55:31.000 Because it's like, what was this kid doing with a toy gun?

00:55:35.000 I'm like, I grew up at the park playing with...

00:55:37.000 Cops and robbers and war.

00:55:39.000 What are you talking about?

00:55:42.000 Of course!

00:55:43.000 He was in the park playing with a toy gun!

00:55:45.000 You can't even address that. 1.00

00:55:46.000 Those are fools and they're looking for some reason where this kid was culpable. 1.00

00:55:46.000 It's crazy! 1.00

00:55:52.000 They didn't even engage the kid.

00:55:53.000 They drove up right on top of him.

00:55:56.000 On video.

00:55:57.000 Jumped out of the car and opened fire.

00:55:58.000 See what's more disturbing to me is the fact that you have a trend where You have a version of events perpetuated by the police, which is usually always the first story you ever read.

00:56:08.000 It's a press release or the statement from the police.

00:56:11.000 So, it's never innocent until proven guilty.

00:56:13.000 It's like, we're charging this guy or we arrested this guy. 0.96

00:56:15.000 I've had friends that were arrested for resisting arrest that didn't do a goddamn thing. 0.97

00:56:19.000 You know what they call that? 0.98

00:56:20.000 That's called contempt of cop.

00:56:21.000 Because there's never a basis to arrest them in the first place.

00:56:25.000 So if you're being arrested for resisting arrest, What was the original charge that you were being arrested for?

00:56:31.000 The vast majority of those cases are dismissed.

00:56:34.000 And guess what?

00:56:36.000 Bratton, the police commissioner at NYPD, wants to escalate, has gone to the legislature to elevate contempt of cop.

00:56:44.000 That's what they call that, contempt of cop.

00:56:45.000 He wants to escalate or elevate the charge of resisting arrest from a misdemeanor to a felony.

00:56:51.000 Now again, most of those charges will wind up being dropped, as they usually do, because they're completely bogus.

00:56:57.000 It's contempt of cop, it's a situation where it's like, he didn't listen to me.

00:57:01.000 Which is, again, what we were talking about before, the difference between de-escalation, you can beat the rap, you can't beat the ride.

00:57:07.000 Your boy was in jail for 24 friggin' hours.

00:57:10.000 Might have had to hire an attorney, might have had...

00:57:12.000 Some people get their car impounded, depending on what...

00:57:14.000 In the prostitution stings, those are major revenue generators. 0.98

00:57:18.000 Major revenue generators from the criminal justice system, all the way from law enforcement to tow yards to asset forfeiture to...

00:57:26.000 Asset forfeiture, which is amazing, what people don't even know about.

00:57:28.000 Legal theft.

00:57:29.000 They take your car.

00:57:30.000 You could have a very nice car.

00:57:32.000 Say you have a $50,000 car.

00:57:34.000 That's the states now. 1.00

00:57:35.000 They steal your fucking car. 1.00

00:57:36.000 It's the police department. 1.00

00:57:37.000 It's the local...

00:57:38.000 They get the...

00:57:39.000 They take the...

00:57:40.000 It's not like they turn it over to anybody.

00:57:40.000 And they get to keep it.

00:57:42.000 If they want something, they could literally go out and take it.

00:57:45.000 You don't even have to be convicted of a crime directly.

00:57:47.000 Just charged or accused.

00:57:49.000 And you might never see.

00:57:49.000 Right.

00:57:51.000 They can take cash from you.

00:57:53.000 Yes.

00:57:53.000 Why do you have that cash, sir?

00:57:55.000 Were you doing something illegal with that cash?

00:57:57.000 I think you might have been, so we're gonna lock that cash up.

00:57:59.000 You're guilty until proven innocent. 1.00

00:58:00.000 And then we're gonna use that cash to have fucking parties. 1.00

00:58:02.000 They use the funds that they steal, they use it to have parties. 0.99

00:58:07.000 To buy iPads and buy cars and boats and parties.

00:58:10.000 Well, the DEA ran a similar scam in Los Angeles for a long time with arresting people that were running medical marijuana dispensaries. 0.99

00:58:18.000 There's video of this where these fucking kids are college kids. 0.99

00:58:21.000 They're young kids. 1.00

00:58:23.000 They're not doing anything wrong.

00:58:24.000 They're working in a place where the state law says it's a legal business. 0.99

00:58:27.000 They break in guns, strapped, bulletproof vests, ATF fucking outfits. 1.00

00:58:33.000 They put guns to people's head, held this kid on the ground, stepped on his fucking neck. 0.99

00:58:38.000 I mean, there's videos of all this. 0.99

00:58:39.000 Zip-tie them.

00:58:40.000 The whole deal...

00:58:41.000 They're selling legal weed.

00:58:43.000 Yes.

00:58:44.000 They take all their cash, all of it, take all their marijuana, all of it, and they say, we are going to process your case, and then they do nothing.

00:58:53.000 They do nothing.

00:58:54.000 They never prosecute them.

00:58:56.000 That's what we call armed robbery. 0.77

00:58:58.000 Well, that's what we used to call...

00:58:59.000 Yeah, it is.

00:59:00.000 But they take that money, and then because these guys don't want to go after that money to try to get it back, because then the DEA comes at them even harder, they lose that money.

00:59:08.000 And they have to pay to fight to get that money back.

00:59:10.000 Well, probably as much in legal fees as was stolen in the first place, so it'll cancel each other out.

00:59:15.000 Yeah, and it's not like you could sue the DEA to get your legal fees paid.

00:59:19.000 They're not going to pay it.

00:59:20.000 It's the same problem with the DEA. And they also don't care, even if they have to pay legal fees.

00:59:25.000 Individual officers are never held liable.

00:59:27.000 It's not their money.

00:59:27.000 It's all our money anyway.

00:59:29.000 That gets paid when there are wrongful death suits or there's brutality suits.

00:59:34.000 They don't care.

00:59:35.000 They're never punished.

00:59:36.000 The unions completely insulate and protect them.

00:59:38.000 And it's not their money.

00:59:40.000 Worst case scenario, they get to retire early with a full pension.

00:59:43.000 It has to be an unbelievably offensive...

00:59:48.000 A violation of the law for the cops to be prosecuted.

00:59:52.000 I mean, it has to be really outrageous where the state steps in and says, we've got to do something here, or we're going to face a riot.

01:00:00.000 The riots they have in Ferguson.

01:00:02.000 The riots they're having all throughout the country about Eric Gardner.

01:00:07.000 I don't think anybody...

01:00:09.000 I really believe this.

01:00:11.000 And this is from a life long of experience with police officers.

01:00:14.000 I don't think anybody's qualified for that job for a long period of time.

01:00:18.000 I think being a cop is something you can only do for a very short amount of time, just like being a soldier. 0.59

01:00:22.000 You know that one soldier that went fucking crazy in Iraq and wound up gunning down all those innocent people? 0.57

01:00:29.000 And, you know, they pull this guy aside and like, well, this guy had been flagged for PTSD many times. 0.98

01:00:35.000 And he was saying himself, like, I gotta get out of here.

01:00:38.000 And they sent him back over there again. 0.99

01:00:40.000 And he just went fucking crazy. 0.99

01:00:41.000 I think that the mind can only withstand so much stress. 1.00

01:00:45.000 And being a cop is a fucking insanely stressful job. 0.98

01:00:49.000 And they see horrible things. 1.00

01:00:50.000 Which is why I'm not a big fan of these blanket statements like, you know, I have friends that are like, fuck the police. 1.00

01:00:56.000 I'm like, no, stop saying that, man, because if some shit goes down, you're going to want to call the fucking police. 0.99

01:01:01.000 It's not fuck the police. 1.00

01:01:02.000 Just like when a black person robs somebody, it's not fuck black people. 1.00

01:01:05.000 Absolutely. 1.00

01:01:06.000 Absolutely.

01:01:06.000 It's not, man.

01:01:07.000 These are rash generalizations, and they're based on this premise that anybody could actually do that job correctly, which I think is wrong.

01:01:15.000 But herein lies the problem.

01:01:16.000 The public sector, as far as I'm concerned, should be held to a higher standard of accountability, not a lower or no accountability.

01:01:22.000 And if you are going to have the power and the authority to deprive people of life, liberty, and property, you need to be held to a higher standard.

01:01:29.000 And the lack of accountability that police officers see happen all over the country feeds this mental idea that you might...

01:01:37.000 You might very well be right.

01:01:38.000 That might be a mental deficiency, might be a form of PTSD, that you might actually believe that you're above the law, that the laws don't apply to you, because as you said, only in the most extreme and extraordinary cases are police officers ever prosecuted.

01:01:52.000 And I don't think there needs to be a, or there should be any kind of referendum or any kind of, I don't know, like...

01:02:03.000 An idea that there's a certain number of police officers that need to be...

01:02:05.000 Of course not.

01:02:06.000 When someone commits a crime, I don't care if they're black, white, or blue, okay? 0.93

01:02:11.000 There doesn't need to be a quota.

01:02:12.000 There just needs to be justice equally applied.

01:02:14.000 And that's the problem.

01:02:15.000 You know, in Miami, in the 1980s, people...

01:02:17.000 I mean, you think, if I was here...

01:02:19.000 For the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles.

01:02:22.000 And so when I think of race riots, you think of Detroit or Watts or Rodney King.

01:02:27.000 But Miami was the race riot capital of America in the 1980s. 0.86

01:02:33.000 We had no less than three incidents, all involving police officers, mostly white and Hispanic police officers, shooting and killing, or in the case of the first one, beating to death. 0.96

01:02:45.000 Unarmed black men. 0.91

01:02:47.000 And they all resulted in horrific race riots.

01:02:52.000 Some neighborhoods in Miami have never fully recovered from the 1980 riots.

01:02:56.000 You still see empty, undeveloped, entire city blocks that were burned down.

01:03:01.000 During those 1980 riots that people have not come back and reinvested in those African-American communities.

01:03:08.000 And we had that in 1980, 83, and 89. When the eyes of the world were on Miami for the Super Bowl, it was supposed to be, oh, we get all this good publicity.

01:03:17.000 We're having this world-class event.

01:03:19.000 The city was burning because of an officer who had first been...

01:03:24.000 Convicted if I'm not mistaken and then it was overturned on appeal and he went free and We rioted.

01:03:31.000 What did you think about what happened in New York where those cops got killed and then they sent out this order?

01:03:38.000 I don't know what How it was how it was dictated but the the idea was they weren't gonna arrest anybody.

01:03:45.000 The stand-down order, yeah.

01:03:46.000 For anything that wasn't necessary.

01:03:48.000 But my take on it was that should be how cops always are.

01:03:52.000 Fantastic.

01:03:53.000 You should always only arrest people for something that's absolutely necessary.

01:03:57.000 Serious, of course. 0.99

01:03:58.000 So what the fuck is this? 0.99

01:03:59.000 You, for a short period of time, went back to actually being someone who withholds the peace, or enforces the peace, or keeps the peace, and then from there, they went back to being revenue collectors. 1.00

01:04:11.000 Because that's what the fuck is really Policing for profit, absolutely. 0.89

01:04:14.000 When that kid, Eric Garner, that gentleman, which kid, he's older, that guy got dragged to the ground and choked, didn't have any loose cigarettes on him, wasn't selling anything, and people are like, oh, that guy had 30 different prior arrests, and oh, he resisted arrest. 0.99

01:04:28.000 That's not resisting arrest. 0.73

01:04:30.000 When you take a fucking innocent person and you violate their rights and you grab them around the neck and throw them to the ground, that should have never happened in the first place, and the only reason it happened, because of taxes. 0.99

01:04:39.000 That's it. 0.99

01:04:40.000 That guy should have never been arrested.

01:04:43.000 You have to remember, he's never been accused of a capital crime.

01:04:46.000 He wasn't committing a capital crime.

01:04:48.000 And even if he were, which is to say that he was facing the death penalty for whatever he was being accused of, that's not how we carry out justice in this country.

01:04:56.000 You don't get choked to death on the street like an animal.

01:04:59.000 That's not how we roll, okay? 0.93

01:05:02.000 No, it's nonsense.

01:05:04.000 Well, not only that, they even tried to claim it wasn't a choke.

01:05:06.000 Right.

01:05:07.000 Which I had to step in.

01:05:08.000 Bit of a technicality.

01:05:09.000 Yeah, well, technically, that's what I do for a living. 0.99

01:05:12.000 So I'm like, that's a fucking choke. 0.99

01:05:14.000 You know, let me do it to you. 1.00

01:05:15.000 Let me tell you if you can breathe real good. 1.00

01:05:16.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99

01:05:17.000 You're grabbing your forearm around that guy's neck and squeezing. 1.00

01:05:20.000 That's a fucking choke. 1.00

01:05:22.000 Well, I think you're right. 1.00

01:05:23.000 I think it exposed policing for profit.

01:05:26.000 Yeah, but that's the real issue. 0.98

01:05:28.000 New York City wasn't suddenly a lawless fucking Bane-running Gotham City town. 0.98

01:05:33.000 Right. 0.99

01:05:33.000 Nothing happened. 0.99

01:05:36.000 What happened was that innocent people stopped getting harassed for no reason on the street over penny-ante revenue-generating ordinances.

01:05:45.000 And in that sense, it's not even the fault of the cops.

01:05:48.000 The cops are being forced into these situations where they become... 0.99

01:05:52.000 Revenue collectors, like these cops are being forced to go back and start policing as usual because they have fucking quotas. 1.00

01:05:58.000 And people that say, oh, quotas are bullshit, you know, you're... 1.00

01:06:01.000 No, you have to research it. 1.00

01:06:03.000 The quotas are fucking real. 0.98

01:06:05.000 They're 100% real. 0.99

01:06:07.000 An organization, a great local blog, Crespo Graham in Miami, who does a lot...

01:06:13.000 He's, like, obsessed.

01:06:14.000 We have this chapter 119, these public record laws.

01:06:16.000 We call them sunshine laws, where everything's in the sunshine.

01:06:18.000 Doesn't quite always work that way in Florida, but a sunny place for shady people and all that.

01:06:23.000 But he just does public record requests nonstop, and so people start leaking stuff to him before he even requests it.

01:06:29.000 And he got an email that this, like, third shift, this overnight shift in Little Haiti neighborhood...

01:06:36.000 That the city of Miami police's arrest quota.

01:06:39.000 They actually had, from like the shift sergeant, send out an email with quotas that included arrest quotas, meaning that each officer had to arrest, effectuate an arrest for what he didn't specify, but they had a minimum number of arrests they had to perform during a shift.

01:06:57.000 That is insane.

01:06:58.000 It's madness.

01:06:59.000 What if you don't encounter anyone committing a crime?

01:07:01.000 Well, that's what I've always said. 0.95

01:07:02.000 What would happen in this country if the entire country, if all 350 million people agreed, okay, even you fucking hardcore criminals, no one's going to do anything wrong for a month. 0.98

01:07:13.000 Just one month. 0.97

01:07:14.000 The system would shut down.

01:07:17.000 Yeah, the opposite of the purge.

01:07:18.000 For one month, no one's going to speed, no one's going to steal, no one's going to do anything wrong.

01:07:23.000 Just everyone abide by the law.

01:07:26.000 That's not outside the realm of possibility.

01:07:28.000 These departments would freak the fuck out.

01:07:30.000 They wouldn't know what to do.

01:07:31.000 They would have no revenue coming in.

01:07:33.000 I think about what Hitchens, rest in peace, always used to say about the necessity of religion to keep us From becoming savages.

01:07:45.000 We know right from wrong.

01:07:47.000 We have internal moral compass.

01:07:49.000 I said earlier, I'm like, God, I wish I could be corrupt so I could make more money and take care of my family better.

01:07:55.000 But I can't do it. 0.98

01:07:56.000 Every time I try to lay off what's right or wrong, I get right back on Twitter and I'm like, this shit's wrong and people need to know about it. 0.97

01:08:04.000 And it's the same thing there. 0.99

01:08:05.000 It's like, without the Ten Commandments, Would we just start raping and robbing and murdering? 0.70

01:08:10.000 I don't think we would do that.

01:08:12.000 It goes back to this sense of self-worth.

01:08:15.000 I think we all have, by and large, this sense of self-worth and preservation, which might very well be off the charts, but I think actually makes us a little bit more civilized, because it's like, well, I have too much to lose.

01:08:26.000 Maybe I'm not going to just rape, rob, and murder.

01:08:30.000 I think you're right.

01:08:31.000 I think that's a bad way of addressing it in the first place like this.

01:08:35.000 I have too much to lose to do that.

01:08:36.000 No, you don't want to hurt people.

01:08:37.000 It feels bad.

01:08:38.000 Whatever it takes.

01:08:39.000 It feels bad to insult people.

01:08:41.000 One of the issues that we have with the internet is that, you know, you have a real issue with people stalking, harassing, trolling people, being vicious to people.

01:08:50.000 Strangers too, like people that don't even know.

01:08:52.000 Because there's no social consequences.

01:08:55.000 You don't feel it. 0.97

01:08:57.000 If you're looking at a person and you take a person and you show them a picture of them with 15 dicks in their mouth, which, by the way, I'm not really talking about that because that's usually pretty funny. 0.99

01:09:05.000 There's a lot of pictures of me with dicks in my mouth. 0.97

01:09:07.000 I've never once tried to take them off the internet. 0.97

01:09:09.000 I think they're hilarious.

01:09:10.000 It doesn't bother me.

01:09:12.000 But for some people, it's genuinely upsetting, especially women that find pictures of them attached to- I'm googling right now.

01:09:18.000 Dude, believe me. 0.99

01:09:19.000 Go to my fucking message board. 1.00

01:09:21.000 There's a swarm of them. 1.00

01:09:23.000 I don't have a problem with it. 0.99

01:09:24.000 Is it a swarm of dicks? 1.00

01:09:25.000 Is it a gaggle out of you? 1.00

01:09:26.000 A flock of dicks? 1.00

01:09:28.000 Like a cauldron. 0.99

01:09:29.000 I don't know.

01:09:31.000 I just think, look, there's the golden rule of the internet. 1.00

01:09:34.000 If there's a photo of you on the internet, somewhere someone has photoshopped a dick in your mouth. 0.97

01:09:38.000 If they haven't, it's just that people don't know about that photo yet. 0.96

01:09:41.000 I guarantee you by the end of this podcast, there will be pictures of you in some sort of a compromising position.

01:09:48.000 What's funny is that if I didn't have one, I'd actually be offended.

01:09:50.000 I'd feel worse about myself. 1.00

01:09:52.000 I'd be like, no one's bothered to even Photoshop a dick in my mouth? 1.00

01:09:54.000 This is terrible. 0.99

01:09:55.000 If you reach a certain amount of photographs of you on the internet, it's ultimately inevitable.

01:09:59.000 If you're a public person, you know, if you are a comedian...

01:10:02.000 You say inedible?

01:10:02.000 Oh, inevitable.

01:10:03.000 Someone's going to put a dick in your mouth. 1.00

01:10:04.000 I think it's fairly edible at this point. 1.00

01:10:06.000 It's a Freudian slip.

01:10:06.000 It's been proven.

01:10:08.000 But I think that, you know, that's more fun than anything. 1.00

01:10:12.000 The hateful shit you're talking about. 1.00

01:10:14.000 Yeah, hateful shit. 1.00

01:10:14.000 Like, I mean, I've seen some really fucking evil harassment that some people have had to suffer. 1.00

01:10:20.000 For whatever reason, it seems to be more women than anything. 0.99

01:10:22.000 Because with women, they could use the rape thing. 1.00

01:10:25.000 Like, if a guy tells me he's going to rape me, I'm like, well, good luck with that. 0.98

01:10:28.000 That's not gonna happen. 0.99

01:10:29.000 Unless you roofie me, you're not raping me, dude. 0.97

01:10:32.000 No Cosby. 0.99

01:10:33.000 I mean, you'd have to, yeah.

01:10:34.000 This thing that we can do because of this ability to interact with people with no social consequences, it's a real issue.

01:10:44.000 Twitter gangsters.

01:10:45.000 I call them sad, lonely Twitter trolls.

01:10:47.000 Facebook is a little bit better because with Facebook, you can click on the person's profile and you see, oh, this is Mike Jones from blah, blah, blah street. 1.00

01:10:55.000 Twitter some fucking egg. 0.99

01:10:56.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:10:58.000 With some stupid handle and yeah. 0.99

01:10:59.000 Yeah, I mean that does become a real issue with social interaction, but I think it's a temporary hiccup. 1.00

01:11:06.000 I really do.

01:11:07.000 I think that this, we're in a stage of almost an adolescent stage of interactivity where what we're experiencing now is just, it's a weird like bridge between total connectivity.

01:11:23.000 The complete absence of any form of privacy is on the way.

01:11:27.000 It might be a hundred years from now.

01:11:29.000 It might be 30. It might be in our lifetime.

01:11:31.000 It may be a couple months from now.

01:11:32.000 Somebody might come up with something and they'll say, look, this one thing that we're going to implement is going to be unbelievable as far as exchanging information, as far as our knowledge base.

01:11:42.000 The actual IQ of human beings is going to double within weeks.

01:11:45.000 We're going to change the world, but no more privacy.

01:11:49.000 And you think we're in like the learning curve?

01:11:51.000 Yes, it's gonna happen. 0.99

01:11:52.000 We are essentially, we're driving around in Model A's, but one day someone's gonna invent a fucking 911 GT3. And you know, if you went back and took time when Henry Ford's driving around in a stupid fucking shitty car, you know... 1.00

01:12:08.000 And you pulled up beside him in a Mustang Shelby GT500 and go, check this shit out. 1.00

01:12:13.000 I'm from the future. 1.00

01:12:16.000 He'd be like, what the fuck is that? 0.98

01:12:18.000 Dude, I'm still waiting on the hoverboard. 0.99

01:12:21.000 I'm still waiting on the hoverboard.

01:12:22.000 Yeah, but the hoverboard is just floating.

01:12:25.000 What's the big deal?

01:12:26.000 It's just not touching anything.

01:12:28.000 Whoa, it's so crazy.

01:12:29.000 We have jets that go faster than the speed of sound. 1.00

01:12:32.000 I mean, the hoverboard's dog shit. 1.00

01:12:34.000 Oh, it can float. 1.00

01:12:35.000 So can a plane, stupid. 1.00

01:12:36.000 I just think of how much the world has changed. 0.99

01:12:39.000 We're working on a doc about 9-11 right now, and it's been like 14 years, which is incredible, because it seems like such a modern historical event, but it seems like just yesterday, and when you consider how much the world has changed,

01:12:54.000 particularly technologically, there was no Twitter.

01:12:57.000 Yeah.

01:12:57.000 There was no Instagram.

01:12:58.000 There was barely YouTube at that point, you know?

01:13:02.000 So, I think YouTube actually, no, there was no YouTube.

01:13:05.000 It was like 2003 or 2004. Right.

01:13:08.000 There was like Napster in 99, but that was like, you just think of how far we've come.

01:13:12.000 I think you're right.

01:13:12.000 This is just the infancy of this era.

01:13:16.000 Yeah.

01:13:17.000 And I think, like, what you're talking about on your website where all these people are getting upset and, you know, the Trayvon Martin thing and people are interacting and it's racism and all this.

01:13:27.000 All that stuff, I think, is a byproduct of the monkey DNA that we still carry around in our bodies.

01:13:35.000 And I think we're on our way to transcending that in some very strange way where it's not going to matter what part of the world you're from.

01:13:43.000 It's not going to matter.

01:13:44.000 It's all that.

01:13:45.000 One of the things we've seen Do you really believe that?

01:13:47.000 Yep.

01:13:47.000 These people getting married in Alabama, the way the world is changing, that I believe is 100% because of the internet.

01:13:56.000 I believe that wholeheartedly.

01:13:58.000 And that's one of the things that encourages me.

01:14:00.000 And I feel like this trend, like today, no one could try to bring back slavery today.

01:14:06.000 But in 1870, 1865, 1860, these were real arguments.

01:14:11.000 These are real arguments where people are saying we should be able to keep slaves. 0.99

01:14:14.000 That's a fucking blink of an eye, man. 0.99

01:14:17.000 That is not that long ago. 0.99

01:14:18.000 You're talking about 150 years. 0.99

01:14:20.000 That ain't shit. 0.99

01:14:21.000 That's not shit, historically. 0.99

01:14:23.000 I mean, that's so recent. 0.98

01:14:26.000 And more so now than ever before.

01:14:29.000 More so within the last few years than ever before. 0.87

01:14:32.000 And, you know, you've seen ridiculous things, though, like... 0.95

01:14:35.000 The social justice warriors, these really weird white people that are trying so hard to get black people to love them that they just go out of their way to just be outrageously progressive to the point where they're actually prejudiced against other white people. 0.95

01:14:49.000 They go so far left to become right. 0.99

01:14:52.000 I mean, I've seen some ridiculous shit where I saw this one guy who was quoting about Osama bin Laden saying that I will never celebrate someone's death You know, even if they were a horrible person, you know, 0.99

01:15:08.000 and then the same guy quoted about Christopher Hitchens, you know, good riddance. 1.00

01:15:13.000 He was a misogynist and a warmonger. 1.00

01:15:15.000 Like, okay, fuckhead. 1.00

01:15:17.000 You can't have it both ways. 1.00

01:15:19.000 But what he is is the uber version of the social justice warrior, the unfuckable white dude trying so hard to To get women and black people to love him because he just is completely insubstantial in any real form in the normal context of our culture. 0.93

01:15:36.000 I find thinking about race so much is kind of racist. 0.91

01:15:41.000 So the more progressive you get about these issues, the more you're thinking about sensitivity.

01:15:46.000 I think that's an overcorrection, to say the least.

01:15:52.000 Like Black Annie. 0.92

01:15:54.000 Black Annie.

01:15:54.000 They're doing Black Uncle Buck.

01:15:56.000 Did you know that?

01:15:57.000 I just wanted to bang my head.

01:15:59.000 You don't have to do that!

01:16:01.000 That trend, that like, what was that, like the late 90s, early zeroes, when like hip-hop was peaking, they did a black, there was the Black Honeymooners, I don't remember, there was the Black Airplane, was Soulplane. 0.53

01:16:11.000 Yeah, Soulplane.

01:16:12.000 So that trend is like coming back around again, like we have to, We have to do the black version of all of these pop culture touchdowns. 0.93

01:16:20.000 They don't, though.

01:16:21.000 It's demeaning. 0.98

01:16:22.000 It's demeaning to black people to do that. 1.00

01:16:24.000 And first of all, Soul Plane, I know the guy who created it, white guy. 1.00

01:16:27.000 Not only that, opportunist, kind of a cunt. 0.99

01:16:31.000 What's going on is people are taking advantage of this opportunity to capitalize on a market. 1.00

01:16:39.000 Culture vultures.

01:16:40.000 Culture vultures is a great way of looking at it.

01:16:43.000 Early last year we did a mini-series for VH1's Rock Docs series.

01:16:47.000 I think it might have been one of their last Rock Docs ever.

01:16:50.000 Called The Tanning of America, One Nation Under Hip Hop. 0.87

01:16:54.000 Tanning!

01:16:54.000 The tanning of America, one nation under hip-hop.

01:16:57.000 As long as there's no blackface involved. 1.00

01:16:59.000 And it was a book called The Tanning of America, written by a guy named Steve Stout, who was a major duty guy in the record business and is now a bigwig in the marketing and advertising world.

01:17:11.000 And his thesis was that hip-hop culture...

01:17:16.000 Led to the election of the first black president.

01:17:18.000 The idea that a generation of Americans that grew up immersed with the music, the fashion, how it infiltrated the Wall Street, Madison Avenue, and the consumer goods sector, and we just grew up immersed in this culture,

01:17:34.000 it tanned the mental complexion.

01:17:37.000 Of Americans and made it okay or even cool to vote for the first black president.

01:17:41.000 And so we had four hours to kind of prove this thesis.

01:17:45.000 And we go to Sundance last year.

01:17:50.000 I think it was actually, the venue was called The Black House.

01:17:54.000 And it was an event that sort of celebrated the African American cinema and culture that was going on at Sundance.

01:17:59.000 And so we're going to do like this panel discussion because the movie wasn't done yet.

01:18:04.000 We're going there and someone had said to me, for the first time, we've been working on this project for almost two years, or a year and a half, and someone said to me for the first time, like, particularly, I guess they were concerned about that environment, the Black House, which turned out to be a fantastic experience,

01:18:19.000 but they said, well, what if somebody says, like, well, why are you guys doing it?

01:18:25.000 You know, you two, like, white Jewish dudes from Miami. 0.90

01:18:28.000 Why are you guys doing this documentary?

01:18:33.000 And the thought had never crossed my mind.

01:18:35.000 I didn't even think about that.

01:18:36.000 Why would I think about it?

01:18:37.000 To you it was just a fascinating subject.

01:18:38.000 Great story, great idea, great concept, a challenge to kind of prove that.

01:18:42.000 Which is what you do.

01:18:43.000 That's what you cover historically.

01:18:45.000 And then I started thinking about it.

01:18:48.000 And I'm like, well, why am I even thinking about this?

01:18:52.000 And someone put it and got in my head with it.

01:18:55.000 White privilege. 0.66

01:18:56.000 You have white privilege.

01:18:56.000 Yeah.

01:18:57.000 And then I started getting white guilt about it.

01:18:59.000 White guilt?

01:19:00.000 Yeah, white male privilege. 0.90

01:19:01.000 You should. 0.99

01:19:01.000 You should have white guilt. 0.99

01:19:02.000 And then I started feeling like, well, wait, is it white male privilege that I never thought about this before? 0.90

01:19:06.000 Of course it is. 1.00

01:19:07.000 I was like, oh shit. 1.00

01:19:08.000 Shame. 1.00

01:19:08.000 Of course it is. 1.00

01:19:09.000 I know.

01:19:09.000 Shame on you.

01:19:10.000 A pox.

01:19:11.000 I was really in my head about this. 0.88

01:19:13.000 A pox upon you.

01:19:14.000 And then I'm like, and what if somebody else brings it up publicly or asks me about it or what the hell am I going to say or what the hell am I going to do? 1.00

01:19:19.000 Kill them with rocks. 0.98

01:19:20.000 And I thought about it for literally that entire thing happened in like a millisecond. 0.99

01:19:26.000 And then I'm like, well, first of all, we are that generation.

01:19:32.000 I thought about my childhood.

01:19:35.000 In Living Color was my SNL. Right.

01:19:37.000 Arsenio was my Johnny Carson.

01:19:39.000 Right.

01:19:39.000 I grew up a white Jewish kid.

01:19:41.000 I watched 227. I watched The Cosby Show, A Different World.

01:19:46.000 Amen.

01:19:46.000 Do you remember the show, Amen?

01:19:47.000 What the f*** am I watching Amen for? 0.69

01:19:49.000 What was Amen? 0.96

01:19:50.000 Amen.

01:19:51.000 Do you remember?

01:19:52.000 It took place at like a black church with, um, what's his name?

01:19:55.000 George Jefferson. 0.82

01:19:57.000 It was a great show, but what the hell am I watching it for?

01:20:01.000 But I loved it.

01:20:02.000 I didn't think about it.

01:20:03.000 How about Sanford and Sons? 0.99

01:20:04.000 One of the greatest fucking shows ever. 0.99

01:20:06.000 Good times. 0.99

01:20:07.000 Norman Lear.

01:20:08.000 A little white Jewish guy, like me, was responsible for the first all-black sitcoms on television.

01:20:16.000 Sanford and Son, The Jeffersons, Good Times, All in the Family, which really brought the discussion of race to mainstream television in the way stand-up comics were doing it, obviously well before that, but said, we're going to go on network television and have serious conversations about politics and race and poverty in this country.

01:20:34.000 White Jewish guy.

01:20:35.000 And then you look at Russell.

01:20:36.000 Russell Simmons teams up with?

01:20:38.000 Rick Rubin, a white Jewish guy at NYU. You look at all these sort of relationships that helped.

01:20:46.000 We interviewed Brett Ratner, white Jewish kid from Miami Beach, who loved hip-hop.

01:20:51.000 Because hip-hop wasn't just urban music.

01:20:54.000 It was youth culture music.

01:20:56.000 And that's why I captured the generation of kids who didn't want to listen to what their parents were listening to.

01:21:00.000 And it wasn't rock and roll anymore.

01:21:02.000 It became hip-hop or rap music at the time.

01:21:04.000 And the second thing was, Steve Stout, to his credit, When we walked in the room to meet with him, he didn't know we were white.

01:21:12.000 He knew we did cocaine cowboys.

01:21:14.000 He knew we did the U. He knew the work.

01:21:16.000 And he respected and liked the work. 0.99

01:21:17.000 So he's like, oh, I want to work with those guys who did this shit that I like and respect. 0.99

01:21:21.000 It wasn't like, oh wait, they're white? 0.99

01:21:23.000 So to his credit, he never thought about it either.

01:21:26.000 So it's like, why should I start thinking about it?

01:21:28.000 I'm dealing with the same thing right now with dogfight.

01:21:30.000 That's what I'm dealing with right now.

01:21:32.000 Yeah, explain dogfight to these folks.

01:21:34.000 Explain your new project.

01:21:36.000 Well, first I gotta spell it.

01:21:37.000 It's D-A-W-G. It's not Michael Vick.

01:21:40.000 Yeah, it's dogfight.

01:21:41.000 Yeah, it's not like Pitbulls.

01:21:44.000 It's dogfight.

01:21:45.000 Well, the underground culture in Miami, there's been a street fighting culture.

01:21:51.000 Well, this was the subculture that...

01:21:53.000 I'd say Kimbo Slice was kind of responsible for it in a way.

01:21:56.000 Sure, yeah.

01:21:56.000 Because he became the role model for a new generation of young people in Miami to literally try to fight their way to a better life.

01:22:05.000 And there's this neighborhood, which is right where Kimbo came from and would fight in the backyards, called West Perrine. 0.62

01:22:12.000 So this is 22 miles southwest of South Beach.

01:22:15.000 So when you think Miami...

01:22:17.000 Most people default, like I said, to Ocean Drive.

01:22:20.000 This is 22 miles southwest of that.

01:22:22.000 This is in an area that I call a suburban ghetto.

01:22:24.000 And I say that because when you think of ghetto or an urban neighborhood, you think of vertical.

01:22:30.000 You know, people stacked in projects.

01:22:32.000 You know, on top of each other, next to each other.

01:22:35.000 But Perrine...

01:22:36.000 Has these very modest houses on a pretty reasonably sized lot.

01:22:41.000 So you have a little house and you have a nice size yard.

01:22:45.000 And so Dada 5000, Daphir Harris, he's this guy who actually, there's a video of him, a YouTube video that we use in the movie, of him benching in his mom's yard there in prime.

01:22:54.000 650 pounds he benches.

01:22:57.000 And...

01:22:58.000 He's bench pressing and Team Kimbo comes rolling by and sees this guy, this beast, and is like, I'm going to fight Ray Mercer in Atlantic City.

01:23:06.000 Why don't you roll with us?

01:23:07.000 So for a year, Dada is on... 0.99

01:23:11.000 The fucking jet, you know, going around the world with Team Kimbo. 0.99

01:23:14.000 Well, Kimbo was very slick in that fight with Ray Mercer. 0.99

01:23:17.000 He was very smart. 1.00

01:23:18.000 Caught him in a fucking guillotine. 1.00

01:23:20.000 He's like, listen, bitch, I learned some new shit. 1.00

01:23:22.000 I ain't standing up with you. 1.00

01:23:24.000 Olympic gold medalist, world heavyweight boxing champion. 1.00

01:23:28.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:23:29.000 I'm gonna fucking choke your neck. 1.00

01:23:31.000 And Kimbo, like, when he did that, like, Ray Mercer was pissed off. 1.00

01:23:36.000 You saw the Ray Mercer fight with Tim Sylvia.

01:23:38.000 Did you see that fight?

01:23:39.000 No, I didn't. 1.00

01:23:40.000 Goddamn. 0.99

01:23:40.000 Ray Mercer hit Tim Sylvia with a punch that probably took a year and a half off his life. 0.99

01:23:45.000 I mean, one punch.

01:23:47.000 He KO'd him.

01:23:48.000 You weren't laughing.

01:23:48.000 That's terrible.

01:23:49.000 He KO'd him so viciously with this one punch.

01:23:52.000 I mean, he was one within the first 15-20 seconds of the fight.

01:23:56.000 Just hit him flush on the chin and knocked him dead.

01:23:59.000 So you're seeing that in a legal sanctioned environment where the fighters had checkups, they were weighed in, there's a doctor, an ambulance.

01:24:06.000 A lot of these are on Indian reservations and stuff. 0.99

01:24:09.000 Well, imagine it in a fucking backyard. 0.99

01:24:11.000 Oh, dude, I've seen them all. 1.00

01:24:13.000 I've seen Alex Caceres, who fights for the UFC right now, he got his start doing that shit. 0.94

01:24:17.000 So did Jorge Masvidal, who's a high-level fighter in the UFC. Masvidal fought a lot of those fights. 0.87

01:24:23.000 Well, that's, to me, the origin story.

01:24:25.000 That's the goal for these guys.

01:24:26.000 You have a neighborhood that is...

01:24:29.000 Over a third black.

01:24:31.000 The vast majority of the community is below the poverty level.

01:24:37.000 Unemployment is like a third higher than the national average.

01:24:40.000 And you basically have a community with very little hope and very little opportunity.

01:24:44.000 You've criminalized a vast majority of the male population so they can't get work. 0.71

01:24:49.000 And they think that their best hope Is to fight in these illegal, unsanctioned, bare-knuckle backyard brawls, upload the footage to YouTube, and hopefully get discovered by a professional MMA promoter or trainer, and try to go pro.

01:25:03.000 Well, look at Kimbo.

01:25:04.000 Kimbo Slice has made millions of dollars.

01:25:08.000 He's that Horatio Alger story that they aspire to be.

01:25:11.000 He recently got signed for Bellator.

01:25:13.000 He's gonna fight again on television.

01:25:14.000 How old is Kimbo?

01:25:16.000 It's a good question.

01:25:17.000 I would say he's probably in his 40s now.

01:25:19.000 When he fought for the Ultimate Fighter, I think he was in his late 30s.

01:25:23.000 Let's see.

01:25:24.000 Kimbo Slice.

01:25:25.000 Dada...

01:25:26.000 Team Kimbo blew up a fighter named Level Martinez?

01:25:29.000 41. 41. Wow.

01:25:31.000 I'm thinking that's old in the world of the average age.

01:25:35.000 Heavyweights tend to age better, but he fought at 205, I believe, in the UFC. I think there's something going on with heavyweights where your body takes longer to learn how to move all that mass.

01:25:51.000 If I had a look at it that way, lighter weight fighters also rely much more on speed and reflexes.

01:25:57.000 I think as you get larger, you tend to rely more on skills and more on It's just sort of an understanding of what your body can and can't do.

01:26:06.000 They have smaller gas tanks, just undeniably. 0.56

01:26:10.000 There's no way a heavyweight, unless you're Cain Velasquez, who's really a fucking freak of nature, can fight at the same sort of a pace that a lighter weight guy can.

01:26:18.000 So the UFC heavyweight champion Cain Velasquez is one of the most unique athletes I've ever seen.

01:26:23.000 Does that lend itself to longevity?

01:26:24.000 I mean, you just sort of like go at it? 0.99

01:26:26.000 Well, not him in his case, no, because he's all fucked up. 0.99

01:26:28.000 I mean... 0.99

01:26:30.000 Kane, who is an amazing fighter and one of the, I think, he might, is a good argument, he might be the best heavyweight of all time, but his body keeps breaking.

01:26:39.000 He keeps blowing out knees and shoulders.

01:26:41.000 It's because he's so mentally tough and he's so driven and focused and so intense and dedicated that he pushes through injuries. 0.99

01:26:48.000 And you can't fucking do that. 0.96

01:26:50.000 You know, when you push through injuries, what happens is they just break further. 0.99

01:26:53.000 You know, I mean, you can't push through a knee injury.

01:26:56.000 What you're doing is, yeah, you gotta get surgery or you gotta heal or you gotta figure out a way To recuperate the scenario or alter your training so that this doesn't happen in the future.

01:27:06.000 But they're all just so fucking tough, man, which is what made them great wrestlers in the first place and what allowed them to transition into MMA. But Kane has this insane gas tank where he just doesn't get fucking tired. 0.93

01:27:17.000 He just overwhelms guys because he's got so much fucking cardio. 0.98

01:27:22.000 And a lot of it is probably natural. 0.98

01:27:25.000 Like, his body...

01:27:27.000 Different people have different, like, natural VO2 maxes.

01:27:30.000 It's just, it's one of those things like some people have more fast twitch muscle fiber, some people have thicker bones, some people have more, they can just, especially for some reason it seems like Mexicans in particular have very good cardio.

01:27:42.000 It's really common.

01:27:43.000 I mean, it could conceivably be that a lot of Mexican folks come from really hard-working environments, and they've been forced to work labor jobs, like a lot of them, especially second, third generation, whose parents had an arduous trek to get over here from Mexico.

01:27:59.000 It could be mental, it could be just more mentally tough, or it could be some physiological aspect.

01:28:05.000 But my point is that he's a rarity in that his gas tank is just insane.

01:28:10.000 Most heavyweights, as they get older, they kind of learn how to pace themselves better.

01:28:14.000 They learn their skills.

01:28:16.000 They learn how to be more efficient with their movement.

01:28:18.000 Like Vladimir Klitschko, who is just unstoppable as the heavyweight champion in boxing.

01:28:24.000 I want to say he's 39 years old.

01:28:27.000 Which is, I mean, he's coming into his own now.

01:28:30.000 I mean, when he was younger, he went through a streak where he got stopped.

01:28:33.000 I think two fights in a row, he got KO'd and, you know, wasn't looking good for him.

01:28:38.000 And now he's like, you know, all these years later, he's like unstoppable.

01:28:43.000 Yeah, he's 38 right now. 0.99

01:28:45.000 And he's, you know, he hasn't lost like 10 fucking years. 0.98

01:28:48.000 I'm kind of fascinated by this because I'm just getting into it now. 0.97

01:28:50.000 I spent almost two years following this and several years in post trying to find a way to get it released.

01:28:55.000 Is it done?

01:28:56.000 It is almost done.

01:28:57.000 We're scoring it now.

01:28:58.000 It's coming out March 12th.

01:28:59.000 And will it be in the films?

01:29:01.000 You go to dog-fight.com, D-A-W-G-fight.com, or if that's tough to remember, cocainecowboys.com.

01:29:07.000 We'll eventually get you there.

01:29:09.000 You can click through, yeah.

01:29:10.000 But we...

01:29:13.000 It's going to be online.

01:29:14.000 It's going to be online.

01:29:15.000 You're going to be able to get it there at the site.

01:29:16.000 Will it be on Netflix?

01:29:18.000 Will it be on Apple TV? Eventually, absolutely.

01:29:19.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:29:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:20.000 Eventually everywhere.

01:29:21.000 I'm hoping to eventually get it on Showtime.

01:29:23.000 We've had a great run with the Cocaine Cowboys movies and some of our other docs on Showtime.

01:29:27.000 I mean, it's so good.

01:29:28.000 Cocaine Cowboys is so good, dude.

01:29:30.000 Thank you.

01:29:30.000 The critic at the Miami Herald saw a rough cut because we're going to premiere it.

01:29:33.000 That shithead? 1.00

01:29:34.000 No, no, the movie critic. 1.00

01:29:36.000 No, no.

01:29:37.000 Who's a great guy, by the way, Rene Rodriguez.

01:29:39.000 I love Rene.

01:29:40.000 He saw a rough cut.

01:29:41.000 He saw a rough cut and he said it's our best movie.

01:29:41.000 Go Rene!

01:29:44.000 Dogfight.

01:29:44.000 Whoa.

01:29:45.000 Damn, that's strong words. 0.99

01:29:47.000 Because Cocaine Cowboys 1 was amazing. 0.99

01:29:47.000 I know. 0.99

01:29:49.000 Cocaine Cowboys 2 might have even been better.

01:29:52.000 Might have been better.

01:29:52.000 Really?

01:29:53.000 Said no one ever. 0.99

01:29:54.000 That fucking Griselda said me. 1.00

01:29:56.000 Griselda. 1.00

01:29:57.000 God damn, that bitch is terrifying. 1.00

01:29:58.000 Whenever I hear about people doing shit for money or for a paycheck, I was just like, listen. 1.00

01:30:02.000 I did Cocaine Cowboys 2, Hustlin' with the Godmother. 0.98

01:30:05.000 I directed a movie called Cocaine Cowboys 2, Hustlin', not even Hustlin', Hustlin' with an apostrophe at the end of it, with the Godmother.

01:30:12.000 Yeah, dude, and it was good.

01:30:13.000 I mean, that's in my filmography.

01:30:14.000 Thank you.

01:30:14.000 You're very kind.

01:30:16.000 No, I'm not kind. 0.99

01:30:17.000 I fucking... 0.97

01:30:18.000 Do you not like the second one as much as the first one? 0.99

01:30:21.000 No, I don't.

01:30:21.000 Really?

01:30:22.000 Yeah, I mean, if I'm ranking...

01:30:23.000 You know, I always say movies are like kids, you know, when people say, do you have a favorite? 0.99

01:30:27.000 Fuck yeah, but I'm not gonna tell you. 0.99

01:30:29.000 You know, like, it's the same thing with kids. 1.00

01:30:31.000 Like, every parent, I don't give a shit what they say. 0.92

01:30:33.000 I love them all equally. 0.99

01:30:34.000 No, you don't. 1.00

01:30:35.000 Because some kids are just assholes. 1.00

01:30:37.000 You can't possibly, you know, and some of them are screw-ups in life. 1.00

01:30:41.000 Do you have children?

01:30:42.000 Yeah, you can kind of love them all equally.

01:30:42.000 No, I don't.

01:30:46.000 Because I think when kids fuck up... 0.99

01:30:47.000 They can't like them all equally. 0.99

01:30:48.000 Yeah, there's a part of it that's your fault.

01:30:52.000 That's the thing that people don't want to admit.

01:30:53.000 So you feel guilty?

01:30:53.000 You're saying the guilt compensates for the lawyer?

01:30:57.000 Raises the love because you feel that they need more love because you screwed them up? 1.00

01:31:01.000 You're responsible for them being assholes? 0.99

01:31:03.000 I had a dog that killed one of my other dogs, and I loved the dog that she killed, but I loved her just as much, and it was very sad. 1.00

01:31:11.000 I mean, obviously I should have loved the dog that got killed more, because she wasn't a cunt. 1.00

01:31:16.000 She wasn't an asshole that was, you know, out there killing the other dogs. 1.00

01:31:19.000 But this dog was a sweetie, and I picked her up at the pound, and she lived at the pound. 0.97

01:31:23.000 She was in one of those no-kill shelters for like eight months, and...

01:31:27.000 When I was young, man, I had a real problem.

01:31:30.000 It was hard to talk about, I guess.

01:31:35.000 Where I felt like...

01:31:36.000 I always had this need to help strays.

01:31:41.000 And I think I had this need to help strays because I felt like a stray.

01:31:46.000 And when I would see a dog in a pound... 0.99

01:31:49.000 I bought a cat from a fucking pet store because it hissed at me. 1.00

01:31:53.000 Because I felt like this poor fucking cat. 1.00

01:31:55.000 Scared of me. 1.00

01:31:56.000 You don't have to be scared of me.

01:31:57.000 I love you.

01:31:59.000 And I felt that way about this dog, this poor dog.

01:32:02.000 I used to call her Squeaky because when I picked her up, she couldn't even talk. 1.00

01:32:06.000 She couldn't bark because she had barked so much so often in this pound that her voice was gone.

01:32:11.000 So when she was barking in the pound, she'd be like...

01:32:15.000 It was like this squeaky noise. 0.99

01:32:16.000 And I was like, what the fuck is wrong with her voice? 0.97

01:32:18.000 And I realized, oh my god, she's barking all day and she doesn't have a voice anymore. 1.00

01:32:23.000 And then when I took her home and took care of her, she eventually got her voice back and she barked like a normal dog. 0.99

01:32:28.000 But that dog fucking loved people, man. 0.99

01:32:31.000 She loved people. 1.00

01:32:32.000 She was so happy to be out of that.

01:32:34.000 But she didn't like other dogs, because if other dogs came near her, she felt like it was a competition for love.

01:32:38.000 Like, if you came near another dog, that other dog was going to get that love.

01:32:43.000 So she would get upset at that dog for stealing love from her, and she would try to attack it. 1.00

01:32:47.000 So I loved her equally, even though she was an idiot, you know? 1.00

01:32:51.000 But it wasn't her fault that she was an idiot, you know? 1.00

01:32:54.000 I realized from then on I would never get a dog that's not a puppy. 1.00

01:32:58.000 You gotta raise them from the time they're puppies because then you don't have any phobias or weirdness.

01:33:04.000 You get a chance to raise them around people and raise them around other dogs and socialize them and it's an important aspect of humans just like it's an important aspect of any other animal that's in our culture. 1.00

01:33:17.000 So, you know, you can love your fucking shitty kids just as much as you love your good kids because it's partly your fault that they're shitty. 0.99

01:33:24.000 I don't know about that. 1.00

01:33:26.000 It's your fault for bringing them into the world? 1.00

01:33:28.000 Some people are just born assholes. 1.00

01:33:29.000 I don't believe that. 1.00

01:33:31.000 Really?

01:33:31.000 I believe that.

01:33:32.000 I don't think so.

01:33:33.000 I think it's how some people require more attention. 0.99

01:33:37.000 I don't think people are born assholes. 1.00

01:33:39.000 Oh, I do. 0.99

01:33:39.000 I think there's nature versus nurture, but I think that... 0.99

01:33:42.000 Because there are people who endure... 0.98

01:33:45.000 What I would consider and many other people consider intolerable stress and abuse and don't become psychotic assholes. 0.97

01:33:53.000 And then there are people who are raised in the most loving and nurturing and permissive and enabling environments and become deranged lunatics.

01:34:02.000 How do you account for that, though?

01:34:04.000 I don't buy that.

01:34:05.000 I think those people that become deranged lunatics, they probably didn't get the attention that they deserved, or they probably didn't get the...

01:34:10.000 Look, raising a human being is not as simple as just sending the kids to school and talking to them in bed at night.

01:34:17.000 You're training them.

01:34:19.000 You're communicating with them.

01:34:20.000 You're imparting love, and you're impart...

01:34:23.000 They learn by imitating their atmosphere.

01:34:25.000 They learn by imitating their environment. 0.98

01:34:27.000 Or they learn because they get ignored and they figure shit out on their own. 0.53

01:34:30.000 People learn different ways and people absorb the lessons they learn in different ways. 0.96

01:34:30.000 Someday. 0.96

01:34:34.000 It's like you were talking about the chemical makeup of a fighter and how different bones and different bodies respond differently to different stimulus and depending on your size and your shape and your training and your steroids or whatever.

01:34:47.000 I think that's true of a human.

01:34:49.000 You're born with a certain chemical balance and I'm not saying that can't shift or change with time but I think there are certain inclinations that we are born with.

01:34:58.000 Good or bad that cannot be rectified by a proper or positive upbringing.

01:35:04.000 Born with, like right out of the box.

01:35:06.000 I don't buy that at all.

01:35:06.000 Right out of the box.

01:35:07.000 You're gay, you're crazy, you're black, you're white. 1.00

01:35:11.000 Whoa, gay and crazy and black all in one sentence. 1.00

01:35:13.000 How dare you? 1.00

01:35:14.000 No wonder why people are so upset at you.

01:35:17.000 Those were mutually exclusive examples.

01:35:21.000 But I think that there are unquestionably characteristics that you cannot raise or beat or love out of somebody.

01:35:30.000 That they are just ingrained in them.

01:35:32.000 I think you should probably have kids before you say that.

01:35:34.000 I really do.

01:35:35.000 I think you should probably have kids and raise them from the time they're babies and see the developmental process.

01:35:40.000 Because it's a lot of what you're doing right now is just speculating.

01:35:43.000 And me, I've raised three kids.

01:35:45.000 I've been there.

01:35:46.000 I've seen the process of good and bad, the corrective process.

01:35:51.000 I've been very lucky that my kids don't have developmental issues or mental issues, and some kids are certainly born with that.

01:35:58.000 But I think, to a large extent, children imitate their environment, and there's certainly a lot of deterministic factors.

01:36:06.000 There's a lot of genetic factors.

01:36:08.000 There's a lot of intangible variables that are difficult to...

01:36:14.000 There's going to be kids that are more selfish.

01:36:15.000 There's going to be kids that are more angry.

01:36:17.000 There's going to be kids that are more outgoing.

01:36:18.000 There's going to be kids that are more gregarious.

01:36:21.000 You're always gonna have that. 0.87

01:36:22.000 You're not gonna have shitty people though. 0.97

01:36:25.000 Shitty people come from abuse. 0.97

01:36:27.000 Almost always.

01:36:28.000 Almost always.

01:36:29.000 When you have a really terrible person, that terrible person is not treated with love.

01:36:33.000 Almost universally.

01:36:35.000 I just don't buy that unless you have some like real issue, like a real brain issue, where there's like some part of the mind It develops decay or there's a tumor, there's an injury, there's something where there's a disconnect,

01:36:52.000 two very critical processes.

01:36:54.000 Unless that's the case, like, you don't make a monster accidentally.

01:36:59.000 I don't think that's true.

01:37:01.000 I think you can choose.

01:37:05.000 To be a good person or a bad person.

01:37:07.000 I think there are some people that cannot choose.

01:37:11.000 That are...

01:37:12.000 Based on what?

01:37:13.000 Based on who?

01:37:13.000 Give me an example.

01:37:15.000 You're saying it's a very bold statement.

01:37:17.000 I don't think it's that bold.

01:37:18.000 It's very bold. 1.00

01:37:18.000 It's very bold saying that some people are fucked from birth. 1.00

01:37:21.000 No. 1.00

01:37:21.000 That's what you're saying. 1.00

01:37:22.000 I'm not talking about it in a spiritual way.

01:37:24.000 I'm talking about it very much.

01:37:25.000 We're not saying spiritual.

01:37:26.000 We're saying the way they behave. 0.99

01:37:28.000 You're saying that some people, no matter what you do, no matter how much effort you put in, how much love you give these kids, and how much you expose them to different environments, you give them different tasks and different learning opportunities, they're still going to be shitheads. 0.99

01:37:40.000 Yes. 0.97

01:37:41.000 Based on what?

01:37:42.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:37:43.000 That's such a bold statement.

01:37:44.000 But why would you say that?

01:37:44.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:37:46.000 You have no data.

01:37:47.000 It's not based on anything.

01:37:48.000 Yeah, but it's also a question of how you define...

01:37:52.000 There's isolated cases of that everywhere.

01:37:52.000 But it is.

01:37:54.000 It's like affluenza.

01:37:56.000 Affluenza is like one of those affluenza cases.

01:37:58.000 But saying there's isolated cases, you should have those isolated cases in your mind if you're saying something like that.

01:38:03.000 Well, I'm citing right now.

01:38:03.000 I'm citing the affluenza cases, for example.

01:38:07.000 But that's the flu.

01:38:08.000 No, no, no, not influenza.

01:38:10.000 Affluenza.

01:38:11.000 Oh, affluent people. 0.99

01:38:13.000 Which is this new made-up thing that say, these kids are shitheads because they've been given everything in life. 1.00

01:38:20.000 So now they're assholes. 1.00

01:38:21.000 And you would argue and fairly... 1.00

01:38:23.000 That's because they're most likely ignored.

01:38:25.000 Just because they have money doesn't mean they have love.

01:38:28.000 It doesn't mean they have learning experiences.

01:38:31.000 It doesn't mean someone has been nurturing them or guiding them or mentoring them.

01:38:35.000 Those are the issues that people have.

01:38:36.000 It's not money. 0.79

01:38:37.000 But I'm saying it's also possible that they have mental defects.

01:38:39.000 That's all I'm really talking about, which is what you've already said, which is that there are people who are wired, is what I'm saying, to propensities to violence, to be short-fused.

01:38:51.000 It's very possible that they do. 0.97

01:38:53.000 However, most likely, if they become cunts, it's because someone did a shitty job of raising them. 0.99

01:38:57.000 That includes this Affluenza, which is a very new term, which is why it fucked me up. 0.99

01:39:03.000 It's a horrible term, too. 0.70

01:39:04.000 It shouldn't be a thing.

01:39:05.000 It shouldn't be a thing.

01:39:06.000 Well, they've been using this to exonerate people.

01:39:08.000 Yes, it's crazy.

01:39:10.000 It's bizarre. 0.99

01:39:10.000 Well, it's this world, though, where, and you're going to get on me about this, too, because I don't have kids, but it's this world where everybody's looking for an answer for why their kid's an asshole, for why their kid's acting out, for why their kid is too sensitive, for why their kid... 0.99

01:39:21.000 And everybody needs a diagnosis, and or a drug that can help... 0.98

01:39:26.000 Fix them. 0.84

01:39:27.000 Everybody needs to know, like, oh, I'm not fucking up. 0.95

01:39:29.000 My kid actually has some, you know, invented malady. 0.99

01:39:33.000 Well, most likely by the time you have one of those issues, you've already fucked your kid up. 0.99

01:39:37.000 That's what's going on. 0.99

01:39:38.000 Children are animals, okay?

01:39:40.000 Just like a person, a grown adult is an animal.

01:39:43.000 No, no, no.

01:39:44.000 It's an animal.

01:39:45.000 Animals react to their environment.

01:39:47.000 Have you ever had a feral cat?

01:39:49.000 No.

01:39:49.000 I've had feral cats.

01:39:50.000 My friend Lainey, her and her boyfriend found these fucking cats underneath the house, and this cat had given birth to these cats, and she was giving away kittens. 1.00

01:39:58.000 Again, I have to take in strays, so I took this fucking stray in, and this crazy fucking cat was in my house. 0.99

01:40:04.000 And learning from feral cats, you realize, like, oh, okay. 1.00

01:40:09.000 Like, this cat is already fucked. 0.99

01:40:11.000 By the time I got to it, it was X amount of months old or whatever. 1.00

01:40:14.000 There was no fixing this fucking thing. 1.00

01:40:16.000 It was already fucked. 1.00

01:40:17.000 And that is the case with human beings. 0.99

01:40:20.000 You develop a certain amount of pathways in your mind, in your intellect, In the way you comprehend the world, in the way you interact with your environment, that's based upon the dangers that you've been exposed to, based upon the input that you've had.

01:40:37.000 And once those pathways are defined in a very violent and negative way, or whether you've been ignored, or whether you've been spoiled to the point where you could scream at the help and yell at the housekeepers and everybody bows down in front of you because you're a Rockefeller or something along those lines,

01:40:53.000 the affluenza aspect of it.

01:40:55.000 When you get to a certain point, those pathways are so established in the mind that it's insanely difficult to change that.

01:41:01.000 So when you're coming along, you're saying, like, hey, you know, I need a pill to fix my kid.

01:41:05.000 No, you didn't pay attention to them enough.

01:41:08.000 Like, a child needs constant attention.

01:41:11.000 Babies need to have a mother around them all the time, a father around them all the time.

01:41:16.000 They need input.

01:41:17.000 They need to try to develop an understanding of their world, and a lot of people don't do that. 1.00

01:41:22.000 They pass their kid off to the fucking nanny. 1.00

01:41:24.000 They don't pay attention to it when it cries in the crib. 1.00

01:41:26.000 And they wonder why their kid gets fucked up when they're working 17 hours a day and they never see the kid. 0.99

01:41:32.000 And they're like, I don't have any fucking time to deal with this kid. 0.99

01:41:35.000 Let's put him on Prozac. 0.99

01:41:36.000 And that's what happened.

01:41:37.000 How do you then explain to people who overcome adversity, who come from horrific life experiences and make something of themselves?

01:41:44.000 Just because you can, because it can be done, doesn't mean everyone's going to do it. 0.98

01:41:48.000 Not everyone's going to finish a fucking marathon. 0.99

01:41:49.000 Just because people start running. 0.99

01:41:51.000 Some people run 100 miles.

01:41:53.000 They do that ultra marathon. 0.99

01:41:54.000 Some people get 5 miles in, they're like, I can't fucking do this. 0.97

01:41:57.000 And for whatever reason, they decide to take a nap. 0.94

01:41:59.000 They decide to sit on the side of the highway and stop. 0.98

01:42:01.000 Some people, they decide, you know what, my mom was a prostitute, my dad was a junkie, and I am not going to be like that. 0.96

01:42:09.000 I'm going to learn and I'm never going to have a drink. 0.99

01:42:11.000 I have a friend who's a great guy and his grandmother used to lock him in his fucking room and lock the door and leave him there for the weekend so she could get drunk. 0.97

01:42:20.000 His mom was never there. 0.98

01:42:21.000 His parents were never there. 1.00

01:42:23.000 And this fucking guy, to this day, won't touch alcohol. 1.00

01:42:26.000 And he's not a psychotic asshole, right? 1.00

01:42:28.000 And is terrified about food. 1.00

01:42:31.000 Like, he will not throw food away.

01:42:33.000 Like, when he goes to a restaurant and he gets scraps, I mean, it'll be a tiny portion.

01:42:37.000 That guy will take that to go with him.

01:42:39.000 He will not waste food.

01:42:40.000 It's because when he was a kid, he was exposed to this horrible situation.

01:42:44.000 But other people could have been exposed to that and become a serial killer.

01:42:47.000 Other people could have been exposed to the same situation Right, that's what I'm saying because they're predisposed to being good or bad people.

01:42:53.000 That's exactly what I'm saying.

01:42:54.000 No, it's not a predisposed.

01:42:55.000 He made choices and he became a fighter.

01:42:57.000 And one of the things about martial arts is it gave him a sense of self-worth and character.

01:43:01.000 But you can't say that he's predisposed to be a good person or someone else would be predisposed to be a bad person.

01:43:09.000 A lot of it is these subtle variables that happen when you're interacting with your environment.

01:43:14.000 I think some of those subtle variables, though, are chemical.

01:43:17.000 They are in the brain.

01:43:18.000 They do exist.

01:43:20.000 It's possible, but it's also, you should know what you're talking about when you're saying these kind of things.

01:43:25.000 You're stating them as facts, and I think there's a real issue with that when you don't have any data.

01:43:30.000 Oh no, I'm stating them as opinions.

01:43:32.000 But you're not, though. 0.99

01:43:33.000 You're saying when you're saying that some people are fucked. 0.99

01:43:36.000 I'm saying I believe. 0.99

01:43:37.000 I'm not saying that people, you know...

01:43:38.000 But you're arguing it so strongly.

01:43:40.000 Like, you have this in your mind as a rigid idea.

01:43:43.000 I mean, there's definitely possibilities as far as mental deficiencies.

01:43:47.000 I mean, look, some people are born blind.

01:43:49.000 You know, some people are born where they don't have any hands.

01:43:52.000 There's a lot of issues with human beings.

01:43:54.000 We don't come out perfect.

01:43:55.000 But...

01:43:56.000 To say that some people could do a great job and their kid's just going to be a monster anyway.

01:44:00.000 Most likely not.

01:44:02.000 Most likely what you're seeing is people that do not want to take responsibility for the fact they did a shitty job of developing a human being.

01:44:09.000 That might be by and large true, but you do have... 0.97

01:44:11.000 But schizophrenia is a legitimate mental defect.

01:44:17.000 I don't believe you're raised to become...

01:44:19.000 Yeah, but we're talking about diseases.

01:44:20.000 But that's what I'm talking about.

01:44:21.000 That's a predisposition to...

01:44:23.000 Yeah, but you're not talking about leukemia or schizophrenia. 1.00

01:44:24.000 You're talking about people being assholes. 1.00

01:44:26.000 No, I'm not. 1.00

01:44:28.000 But that's what you were saying.

01:44:29.000 If you grow up to be a truly disturbed individual, there's not always an opportunity to...

01:44:38.000 Change that or to reverse that trend regardless of how well you're brought up or how loving your parents are.

01:44:44.000 Right, but you used affluenza as an example of that.

01:44:47.000 That's not schizophrenia. 1.00

01:44:48.000 That's people that ignored their fucking kids. 1.00

01:44:50.000 Oh, no, absolutely. 0.99

01:44:51.000 But what I'm saying is that there are people who have a predisposition towards certain behavior and there are people who may or may not be raised right.

01:44:59.000 I think we're confusing...

01:45:01.000 The two issues.

01:45:01.000 I think ultimately we might actually be saying the same thing in one way or another.

01:45:05.000 But I'm talking about legitimate defects in individuals.

01:45:09.000 Legitimate defects in individuals.

01:45:11.000 Call them mutations.

01:45:13.000 Call them what you will.

01:45:14.000 Most certainly there are legitimate defects in certain individuals.

01:45:17.000 Most certainly.

01:45:18.000 But I think that a lot of what we're dealing with as a culture, as a community is...

01:45:23.000 If you look at people in indigenous cultures, they're constantly around their children.

01:45:27.000 They spend all this time with their children, and you see far less instances of mental issues.

01:45:32.000 You see far less mental diseases.

01:45:35.000 You see far less issues of depression and the sort of...

01:45:43.000 We're good to go. 1.00

01:46:22.000 Their son is fucked up, man, and they're smart, but they don't have the time, and they're not around the kid all the time, and the kid's terrified, and he fucking screams in the middle of the night all the time. 1.00

01:46:22.000 I have two friends. 1.00

01:46:22.000 I'm sure you're that. 1.00

01:46:31.000 They're never home.

01:46:32.000 They have nannies to take care of them, and the kids are really confused.

01:46:38.000 And these people have long hours.

01:46:40.000 They work long hours.

01:46:41.000 And I don't see that changing. 0.99

01:46:43.000 And I see their kids coming out of this in a very fucked up way. 0.98

01:46:45.000 And I'm watching it happen from the beginning to where they are now. 0.98

01:46:49.000 To the point where me and my family, we're kind of avoiding them now.

01:46:52.000 We don't want to hang out with them because their kids are starting to be disturbed.

01:46:55.000 They're acting aggressive towards other kids in some sort of a weird way.

01:47:00.000 There need to be around their parents.

01:47:03.000 It's not normal.

01:47:05.000 It's like they're drowning.

01:47:07.000 They need air and their parents are air.

01:47:09.000 It's like they cling to them.

01:47:10.000 They hold on to them.

01:47:11.000 They're scared of everything.

01:47:12.000 And what it is, is these kids are not being nurtured correctly.

01:47:15.000 Because it's not natural in the wild as a human being, as an organism.

01:47:19.000 It's not natural to be away from your parents for 16 hours of every day.

01:47:24.000 It's not.

01:47:25.000 It's not natural to see your parents just as you go to bed and as you wake up. 0.99

01:47:29.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.96

01:47:30.000 But that is the norm for a lot of these people that want their cake and they want to eat it too. 0.99

01:47:35.000 They want to have a career and also have children. 0.96

01:47:37.000 You know, I know a woman who is a fucking huge executive at a major company. 1.00

01:47:42.000 And this crazy lady has three kids, and they're all nuts. 1.00

01:47:46.000 Their fucking kids are nuts. 1.00

01:47:47.000 You know why? 1.00

01:47:48.000 Because mommy barely exists. 1.00

01:47:50.000 Mommy exists in their life for ten minutes a day. 1.00

01:47:53.000 That's nuts, man.

01:47:55.000 That's nuts for a three-year-old.

01:47:56.000 And they don't know what mommy is.

01:48:00.000 They're not a rounder.

01:48:01.000 You're supposed to be a rounder hours and hours.

01:48:04.000 It's supposed to be cuddled and nurtured and you play with them and you teach them about life.

01:48:08.000 You teach them how to talk and how to count.

01:48:10.000 And then I have another friend and his wife doesn't work at all.

01:48:13.000 And the kid is three.

01:48:15.000 It can already count to a thousand.

01:48:17.000 It already knows how to spell his name and spell words.

01:48:20.000 Because why?

01:48:21.000 Because the mom's interacting with the kid all day long. 1.00

01:48:23.000 And this kid is happy and I'm seeing the direct...

01:48:28.000 Effect of people nurturing their kid and developing their kid as a project, mentoring their kid.

01:48:34.000 The same way you would mentor someone about how to do martial arts.

01:48:37.000 The same way you would mentor someone about how to write or how to do mathematics.

01:48:42.000 You're developing a thing, a thinking thing.

01:48:46.000 And that's what a human being is.

01:48:48.000 And I can't fathom...

01:48:50.000 A parent who would have this human being that is born of them that would not want to engage at that level.

01:48:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:48:58.000 Who would be like, oh, I want to go to work and leave my three children in the care of some other person who is not responsible for them in the absolute way that I would be responsible.

01:49:10.000 I can't even fathom that mentality.

01:49:12.000 So I'm not trying to get parents...

01:49:14.000 Off the hook with this theory.

01:49:17.000 But you also had an example of a perfectly well-adjusted, outstanding citizen and upright citizen and human being who came from a horrible environment and overcame that.

01:49:30.000 Well, let's not get carried away.

01:49:31.000 He's not an outstanding human being. 1.00

01:49:33.000 He's fucked up. 1.00

01:49:34.000 He's a fighter. 1.00

01:49:35.000 You don't get to be a fighter.

01:49:37.000 What I'm saying is this guy won't drink and he won't waste food and this is directly because of his horrific childhood.

01:49:44.000 He's not a good guy.

01:49:45.000 In fact, he's kind of abusive towards his children and he's got issues of his own.

01:49:50.000 He's not a good guy.

01:49:51.000 What I'm saying is there's a direct response to this guy living this horrible life as a child to him saying, I am not going to be like that anymore.

01:49:59.000 I'm going to make sure I don't do drugs.

01:50:01.000 I'm going to make sure I don't drink.

01:50:02.000 And this is because he lived in this horrible environment where he saw the direct effects of someone being an alcoholic and ignoring their children.

01:50:08.000 He learned what not to do instead of what to do. 0.99

01:50:10.000 But he's still a shitty parent, you know? 0.98

01:50:12.000 I mean, it's a very complex issue. 0.99

01:50:16.000 It's a very complex issue, raising children.

01:50:18.000 And it's an issue where people conveniently, intelligent people, conveniently like to skirt the responsibility of what it is to raise their children.

01:50:25.000 And I see it from friends.

01:50:27.000 I see it from friends that work long hours.

01:50:30.000 And it's one of the reasons why I choose to work much fewer hours than I could.

01:50:35.000 I want to be around.

01:50:37.000 I'm leaving from here.

01:50:38.000 I'm going to go pick up my kid.

01:50:39.000 And when I do that, I'm going to hang out with them, and I'm going to play, and we're going to have a good time, and we're going to talk about stuff, and I think it's a responsibility that a parent has.

01:50:49.000 I think people evolve toward that, not only in terms of becoming a parent and your priorities change, but as I get older, I can sense that happening.

01:50:58.000 I want to work less.

01:50:59.000 I want to enjoy life and have experiences a little bit more.

01:51:04.000 Ambition is great.

01:51:05.000 It's great.

01:51:06.000 I mean, it allows us to become successful to the point where we have less stress, you have a nice home, you have food on the table, you can take care of your needs.

01:51:13.000 But when it gets past a certain point, you know, my friend Brian Callen said it best.

01:51:17.000 He said, you want to be successful enough where you don't worry about what it costs to go out to dinner. 0.99

01:51:22.000 He goes, after that, it's all bullshit. 0.99

01:51:24.000 And he's right. 0.99

01:51:25.000 I mean, once, you know, you can have a nice meal and you don't worry about food.

01:51:28.000 You don't worry about having a roof over your head.

01:51:30.000 You don't have to live in a dangerous neighborhood.

01:51:32.000 You can afford to live in an area where you know that your family and your loved ones are safe. 1.00

01:51:37.000 Other than that, it's all bullshit. 0.99

01:51:38.000 Well, you have a bigger house and then a bigger, and now you have a castle. 1.00

01:51:41.000 Now you own an island.

01:51:43.000 It's all more money, more problems.

01:51:43.000 Come on.

01:51:45.000 Biggie said it right. 0.96

01:51:46.000 You know?

01:51:47.000 At a certain point in time, you trap yourself with your own ambition, and you get yourself into a situation where you realize, oh, this is not the smart way to do this.

01:51:58.000 I've just been caught up in this zero-sum game, this idea that you have to continue to grow.

01:52:06.000 You have to continue to expand.

01:52:08.000 Like a corporation.

01:52:09.000 We just had...

01:52:10.000 We're coming out to LA. Once a year, we make the pilgrimage.

01:52:14.000 Otherwise, we work and live in Miami.

01:52:15.000 And we're coming out to LA. And it's like...

01:52:17.000 We had a meeting.

01:52:18.000 And it's like...

01:52:19.000 This is...

01:52:20.000 On the one hand, it's like...

01:52:22.000 This is the most important meeting of our careers.

01:52:24.000 And then I thought about it...

01:52:26.000 Because I like to do this sometimes.

01:52:27.000 Just kind of flip something on its head and go 180 degrees.

01:52:29.000 And say, what if my belief is the exact...

01:52:31.000 What if the reality is the exact opposite of my belief?

01:52:34.000 So I said...

01:52:36.000 What if this is the least important meeting of our careers?

01:52:40.000 And it dawned on me, it's like, it's something kind of outside of our, it's in the entertainment industry, but it's kind of outside of our core competency as nonfiction filmmakers, and it certainly would advance us in the industry, but I was just like, if nothing comes of it, or it doesn't go well,

01:52:56.000 this most important meeting of our careers...

01:52:59.000 We go home.

01:53:00.000 We go back to work making our documentaries.

01:53:02.000 I have very little to complain about.

01:53:04.000 I don't have to worry about where my next meal is going to come from or if I'm going to have a roof over my head.

01:53:10.000 I still got to work.

01:53:12.000 But we'll just keep doing what we've always been doing and we're pretty happy.

01:53:16.000 We're pretty happy in life.

01:53:18.000 What more do I actually...

01:53:19.000 I'd love to be able to support my parents a little bit.

01:53:22.000 There's little things like that.

01:53:23.000 But beyond that, it's just like, so what happens if this most important meeting doesn't go well?

01:53:28.000 Life is still pretty good.

01:53:30.000 I don't have that much to...

01:53:31.000 To complain about all things.

01:53:33.000 So I don't know if that's a product of being... 0.99

01:53:35.000 And 10 years ago, I would have been like, oh shit, this is it. 0.94

01:53:40.000 Everything's riding on this. 0.99

01:53:41.000 And now I'm kind of like, well, but what if it doesn't go well?

01:53:44.000 What's life experience? 0.99

01:53:45.000 Shit's still good. 0.99

01:53:45.000 You grow, you learn, you just get better at functioning, and you get better at coping with stress. 0.99

01:53:51.000 And you also have a perspective of a long life.

01:53:55.000 You have this perspective of many years of life on this planet and learning the lessons.

01:53:59.000 I was thinking about that.

01:54:00.000 We were talking about Yeah.

01:54:05.000 Yeah.

01:54:23.000 Learn a trade, presumably.

01:54:25.000 You graduate and enter the workforce.

01:54:28.000 You enter, obviously, at the entry level.

01:54:30.000 You start to work your way up in said industry or pivot to something else or whatever it is.

01:54:35.000 But in the meantime, you get married.

01:54:37.000 Maybe you get divorced.

01:54:37.000 Maybe you get married again.

01:54:38.000 You make some investments, some good, some bad.

01:54:40.000 You buy a house.

01:54:41.000 You have a mortgage.

01:54:41.000 Maybe you have a foreclosure.

01:54:42.000 You get some experience.

01:54:43.000 You start to learn as you grow.

01:54:45.000 And as you grow and advance in an industry...

01:54:48.000 You're making more money, hopefully.

01:54:50.000 And then by the time you're, say, in your 50s, you're at the peak of your powers.

01:54:53.000 You are making the most you're going to make.

01:54:56.000 And then you retire.

01:54:57.000 And...

01:54:59.000 That entire structure is completely upside down for a professional athlete.

01:55:04.000 Because they're going to make the most money they're ever going to make in their lives, basically in their 20s.

01:55:08.000 Even if you're a sort of premium, the most successful creme de la creme, like top 1% of professional athletes.

01:55:15.000 Because the other thing that people don't understand in this business is that like...

01:55:20.000 And that's sports and entertainment.

01:55:21.000 Not everybody is a millionaire.

01:55:23.000 People don't understand that.

01:55:25.000 A lot of professional athletes are journeymen.

01:55:29.000 They make decent money, or they make league minimum, whatever it is, but they still have to work.

01:55:33.000 They can't just retire tomorrow and be okay. 0.83

01:55:38.000 When people see that you make movies, your shit's on Showtime, or I see your stuff all the time, or you have a check on Twitter. 0.99

01:55:47.000 It's like, you must be a millionaire! 0.98

01:55:49.000 There's this incredible misconception in my line of work that we're rich and famous, and we are neither of those things. 0.99

01:55:59.000 You should be rich from that fucking documentary, from Cocaine Cowboys. 1.00

01:56:02.000 If you didn't get rich, somebody fucked you. 1.00

01:56:04.000 The most money I've ever made in the drug industry is selling my urine to my friends. 0.99

01:56:09.000 Because I was the only guy that didn't smoke or didn't do drugs.

01:56:11.000 In the drug industry?

01:56:12.000 Yeah, meaning my friends would like- You made more than that than you did from Cocaine Cowboys?

01:56:16.000 Yeah.

01:56:17.000 No, I never sold my urine.

01:56:18.000 Because friends are going to be like, dude, my employer is going to start retesting if you say you sold me some piss. 0.78

01:56:27.000 But it's true, I was the kid growing up that never, I didn't drink until I was 21. Have you ever done coke?

01:56:32.000 No.

01:56:32.000 Never?

01:56:33.000 Adderall?

01:56:33.000 Never.

01:56:34.000 A half an Adderall once.

01:56:36.000 No.

01:56:36.000 Right before the show?

01:56:37.000 No?

01:56:37.000 No, it's a good guess, though.

01:56:38.000 Solid.

01:56:39.000 I ate Jolt Energy Gum before the show.

01:56:42.000 Jolt Energy Gum?

01:56:43.000 Remember Jolt Cola?

01:56:44.000 Yeah, they have an energy gum.

01:56:46.000 Yeah.

01:56:46.000 Oh.

01:56:47.000 Don't do that.

01:56:48.000 You're going to have a heart attack.

01:56:48.000 That's bad.

01:56:49.000 I'm sweating a little bit.

01:56:50.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:56:51.000 Plus, you're going to crash.

01:56:52.000 At the end of this, you're going to need a nap.

01:56:54.000 No.

01:56:55.000 I'm in L.A., dude.

01:56:56.000 The pulse of this city is just...

01:56:58.000 You've got to keep going, huh?

01:56:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:59.000 Stop, stop.

01:57:00.000 Go, go, go, go, go, go.

01:57:01.000 Stop, stop, stop.

01:57:02.000 Go, go, go, go, go, go, stop, stop, stop.

01:57:03.000 The pulse of this city, yeah.

01:57:05.000 Yeah.

01:57:06.000 That's interesting.

01:57:07.000 So when you were doing Cocaine Cowboys, did you ever have any desire to do coke to see what the fuss is all about?

01:57:12.000 No, in fact, it's interesting.

01:57:14.000 I went to an arts high school, and this is the mid-90s, early to mid-90s.

01:57:19.000 So, you know, drug trends, I find, like, nostalgia trends are cyclical.

01:57:23.000 Like, there's certain perennials.

01:57:24.000 Like, pot's always popular.

01:57:27.000 But, like, in the mid-90s, it was back to, like, 60s drugs again.

01:57:30.000 People were doing, my friends were doing like psychedelics.

01:57:33.000 They were doing acid, shrooms.

01:57:35.000 Good for them.

01:57:36.000 Ecstasy was like in a similar genre, so MDMA was on the rise then.

01:57:41.000 High school kids couldn't afford cocaine, but that wasn't as popular as it later became in the aughts, you know, in the zeros again.

01:57:47.000 That trend was coming around.

01:57:49.000 But like, um...

01:57:50.000 I was just never curious to kind of alter my mind.

01:57:53.000 My partners and I started our first company when we were sophomores in high school.

01:57:57.000 So I was like working.

01:57:58.000 I was like sort of goal oriented.

01:57:59.000 And then I was like, I was raised to believe that like, you go to school and then you go to college, you know, and you go to college.

01:58:06.000 I think it was my junior year in high school.

01:58:08.000 I had friends who were seniors.

01:58:10.000 And for the first time in my life, I learned that not everybody goes to college.

01:58:13.000 That was the first time I knew that.

01:58:15.000 Because I was just raised to believe that that's just the natural course of life.

01:58:18.000 I had friends who were, like I said, we were in arts high school.

01:58:20.000 We were going to go, I'm going to New York and I'm going to be a dancer.

01:58:22.000 And I'm going to go to LA. And I was like, for college?

01:58:26.000 No, no, no.

01:58:26.000 And they're like...

01:58:27.000 I'm gonna get an apartment with some friends.

01:58:29.000 That was like a foreign concept to me.

01:58:31.000 So I was like the straight arrow guy.

01:58:32.000 I was a kid who finally got the respect that we would sit around in a circle and they'd be passing the joint and they would just pass it like around me.

01:58:38.000 You know, they would know not to even...

01:58:40.000 A room?

01:58:41.000 Yeah, we'd be like in a garage, we'd be in a backyard.

01:58:43.000 So you got hotboxed.

01:58:44.000 No, usually we're in a backyard.

01:58:46.000 Usually we're in a backyard.

01:58:48.000 I'm sure I've gotten that secondhand stone before.

01:58:49.000 You must have. 0.94

01:58:50.000 I've seen people get fucked up on weed, but like have panic attacks. 0.96

01:58:56.000 Oh yeah, I've seen it in this room. 0.94

01:59:01.000 I thought it was supposed to be like this chill high, like this mellow high.

01:59:03.000 Timothy Leary had a great expression about weed, not about weed, rather, about LSD, that LSD induces states of paranoia and psychosis in people that have never tried it.

01:59:17.000 Like, that people are terrified of LSD and, you know, just like...

01:59:20.000 I felt that way about Coke. 0.89

01:59:21.000 I mean, like, I felt if I did Coke, you'd have to scrape me off the fucking ceiling with a shovel or, like, a rake or something, because I would just, like... 0.98

01:59:27.000 I would just, like, be crazy. 0.96

01:59:29.000 Like, this is how I am normally, you know, with some caffeine.

01:59:31.000 I just...

01:59:32.000 I was always...

01:59:32.000 I wasn't afraid.

01:59:33.000 I was always just like, I'm not going to have a positive reaction to this.

01:59:37.000 And I don't know that the prohibition has ever been a deterrent, because obviously drugs are quite...

01:59:43.000 Of readily available in Miami, in particular.

01:59:46.000 Still?

01:59:47.000 Believe it or not.

01:59:48.000 Big Coke scene still?

01:59:49.000 Not as big of a Coke scene, but like, Molly is, you know, big now.

01:59:52.000 Certainly weed.

01:59:53.000 The biggest problem today.

01:59:53.000 But Molly is like the nicest people to be around.

01:59:56.000 The difference between people that are on Molly, they want to rub you.

01:59:59.000 They want to come over and hold hands with you.

02:00:01.000 They're friendly, they want a hug.

02:00:02.000 Well, the biggest concern there is like, what are you actually ingesting?

02:00:07.000 Like, who are you buying it from?

02:00:08.000 What did they cut it with?

02:00:09.000 Which is the problem with the illegality.

02:00:12.000 The prohibition creates the poison.

02:00:14.000 For sure, man. 1.00

02:00:15.000 I mean, all these fucking people that are smoking fake weed, they're smoking this spice stuff. 1.00

02:00:15.000 Unregulated. 1.00

02:00:19.000 Terrible.

02:00:20.000 Oh, it's awful for you.

02:00:21.000 You don't even know what you're ingesting in your lungs.

02:00:22.000 Your body doesn't know what to do with it.

02:00:24.000 It's alien. 0.99

02:00:25.000 You know, the cannabinoid receptors are like, what the fuck is this? 0.63

02:00:28.000 You know, it's like the same argument against artificial sweeteners, but to a much more heightened level because the way it's interacting with your mind is, you know... 0.96

02:00:37.000 I just think, again, I think it's traces, marijuana prohibition is like traces of this kind of like racism we were talking about earlier, this idea that you can't get past it.

02:00:46.000 If you objectively analyze, we're talking about Trayvon Zimmerman, if you just objectively analyze the facts of the situation, there's really only one reality there.

02:00:55.000 And it's incredible to me how people, how race gets in the way of blocking things.

02:00:59.000 Their access to that reality, but it's the same thing with marijuana prohibition.

02:01:02.000 It's a plant that grows out of the earth that is less dangerous than poison ivy, which is legal.

02:01:07.000 Although I wouldn't smoke it.

02:01:08.000 People have a real hard time being objective about issues that are hot-button issues.

02:01:13.000 Whether it's drugs, whether it's religion, whether it's race.

02:01:16.000 You have these drug dealers in lab coats at the local pharmacy. 0.99

02:01:21.000 Okay, who are killing children.

02:01:23.000 Not them, but, like, these pharmaceutical companies who are creating poison.

02:01:26.000 Toxic chemicals that people, because a doctor writes you a prescription for it, gleefully hand it to their wives, their kids, their parents. 0.98

02:01:35.000 Like, that is a mindset that's, like, ingrained in us as a result of just, like, a life of propaganda and just mind-fucking. 0.95

02:01:46.000 I mean, it's literally just brainwashing that you could think, oh... 0.89

02:01:50.000 This plant that grows out of the ground, you shouldn't roll that and smoke it.

02:01:55.000 We do it with cigars, we do it with cigarettes. 0.99

02:01:56.000 But, as soon as you start adding crazy shit to it, like nicotine or chemicals, that makes it legal? 0.99

02:02:04.000 Because the FDA is doing it? 0.99

02:02:05.000 It's tax stamps.

02:02:07.000 Alcohol is one of the most devastating drugs.

02:02:09.000 But why are people okay with it, by and large?

02:02:12.000 Well, it's because people are okay with culture. 0.99

02:02:14.000 When culture is firmly established and you grow up in that environment, it seems normal to put a fucking plate in your lips and stretch your lips out. 0.99

02:02:22.000 It seems normal to put a bone through your nose. 0.98

02:02:25.000 Because all the elders, they have the scarification on their face.

02:02:25.000 Why?

02:02:28.000 I'm gonna get scarred up, too.

02:02:30.000 I mean, that's what everybody does.

02:02:31.000 We imitate our atmosphere.

02:02:33.000 To pay the government 25 cents to make a dime?

02:02:36.000 We were talking earlier about laws, about cops enforcing laws that are just essentially revenue-collecting laws.

02:02:42.000 They're not protecting anybody from anything.

02:02:44.000 There was two kids, barely teenagers.

02:02:47.000 They had the snow day out east with the blizzard a couple weeks ago.

02:02:51.000 And so instead of sitting around, dicking around at home, because it wasn't nearly as bad as everyone thought it was going to be, they decided instead of watching TV or playing video games, or I don't know, smoking the pot, they said, let's grab a couple shovels, go door to door, and make five bucks and offer to clean people's,

02:03:07.000 you know, driveways.

02:03:09.000 And the cops came.

02:03:11.000 Because they got complaints that kids were knocking on doors or whatever, I guess, and stopped the kids.

02:03:16.000 They didn't have a proper permit.

02:03:18.000 They said that?

02:03:19.000 Where was this?

02:03:20.000 To be offering their services.

02:03:21.000 I did that all throughout my childhood.

02:03:23.000 When I was a kid, we would get psyched when it would snow now.

02:03:26.000 Me and my friends would go around the neighborhood and we'd shovel and we'd make deals.

02:03:29.000 Dude, they shut down lemonade stands now for not having proper permitting and licenses. 0.93

02:03:32.000 That's ridiculous.

02:03:33.000 And that's the revenue collecting aspect that we were talking about. 0.93

02:03:37.000 They're not about upholding the peace or protecting or serving.

02:03:41.000 New Jersey teens block from shoveling snow without permit. 0.99

02:03:44.000 Cunts. 0.97

02:03:45.000 That's all that is. 0.97

02:03:47.000 Jersey.

02:03:48.000 Jersey is a state where people can't even pump their own gas, for crying out loud.

02:03:52.000 Does it say the cops' name so we can say it on the air?

02:03:55.000 Police Chief Michael Giannone told MyJerseyCentral.com the two teens were not arrested or issued a ticket, but were stopped because the town was in a so-called state of emergency in advance of the coming storm. 1.00

02:04:09.000 Shut the fuck up, emergency, you pussy. 1.00

02:04:12.000 MyCentralJersey.com. 1.00

02:04:13.000 Ooh, it's emergency.

02:04:13.000 It's cold.

02:04:14.000 That's my home page.

02:04:16.000 Where you can't shovel snow because it's going to be more snow out?

02:04:20.000 Yeah, good call. 1.00

02:04:21.000 Fucking assholes. 1.00

02:04:22.000 But again, listen. 1.00

02:04:23.000 But this is what you were talking about before.

02:04:24.000 These are the rules on the books that they're enforcing.

02:04:28.000 They're not making up these laws, the cops.

02:04:30.000 They're not to prop a permit for shoveling.

02:04:33.000 There's a permit for helping people get out.

02:04:35.000 Is that Boston or is that Jersey?

02:04:36.000 Whatever it is.

02:04:37.000 If you shovel someone for free, is that okay?

02:04:40.000 Oh, it's just exchange of money.

02:04:42.000 You know, that's what it is.

02:04:44.000 You could go around the neighborhood as a Good Samaritan, shovel everybody out, but the cops wouldn't have a problem with that.

02:04:49.000 If you're not giving the government, like I said, if you're not paying the government 25 cents to make a dime, because how much are these kids going to make that they could go out and spend, I don't know, $300 on a permit so that for one day, on a snow day when they're not at school, they could go around and make five bucks a driveway?

02:05:02.000 Like, it's insane. 0.98

02:05:03.000 I think cops should investigate really hot women that date these old, decrepit old men that are barely alive, and they drive around in Rolls Royces and shit. 1.00

02:05:12.000 You should be like, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. 1.00

02:05:14.000 Let's sit down.

02:05:15.000 Let's talk.

02:05:15.000 Sit down.

02:05:16.000 What are you getting out of this?

02:05:17.000 You getting money?

02:05:18.000 He give you that rolls?

02:05:19.000 I want 25% of that rolls.

02:05:21.000 What?

02:05:22.000 That rolls is worth $250,000. 1.00

02:05:24.000 Pay up, hooker. 1.00

02:05:25.000 Why take 25%? 0.97

02:05:26.000 They could just use asset forfeiture and take the whole thing. 1.00

02:05:28.000 Yeah, that girl's a whore. 1.00

02:05:29.000 She should give up that money. 1.00

02:05:31.000 Give up that fucking car, bitch. 1.00

02:05:32.000 You know you don't love that old man. 1.00

02:05:34.000 Gotta seize it.

02:05:34.000 It's a prostitution sting.

02:05:35.000 If you had Anna Nicole Smith and her husband, remember that dude?

02:05:35.000 Seize the rolls.

02:05:38.000 Rest in peace.

02:05:38.000 Yeah, before he died.

02:05:39.000 Both of them.

02:05:40.000 Yeah, both of them.

02:05:41.000 Yeah, right?

02:05:41.000 She's dead, too.

02:05:42.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:05:43.000 But, like, I mean, that was one of the more clear examples of public prostitution you're ever going to see. 0.96

02:05:49.000 A billionaire, J. Howard Marshall, and a big Kentucky Fried Hooker.

02:05:53.000 I mean, that's what it was.

02:05:55.000 And you have one that's profiting off of the other.

02:05:59.000 When you go to the Seminole Hard Rock in Hollywood, Florida, at the improv, you don't stay in the Anna Nicole suite?

02:06:04.000 There's an Anna Nicole suite?

02:06:05.000 She died there.

02:06:07.000 Oh.

02:06:08.000 There's ghosts.

02:06:09.000 Yeah.

02:06:09.000 There was a rumor, by the way.

02:06:12.000 The Seminoles would never confirm this, but there was a rumor that they actually sent a witch doctor or something to kind of de-poltergeist or whatever the room.

02:06:23.000 And then they completely redid the room, changed the number.

02:06:26.000 That's the room.

02:06:27.000 They would never comment on it or confirm that. 1.00

02:06:30.000 Well, she was so dumb, I bet her ghost would be too stupid to haunt anybody. 1.00

02:06:34.000 I bet her ghost would be like, woob. 1.00

02:06:36.000 No, boo. 0.96

02:06:37.000 Boo. 1.00

02:06:39.000 Fuck it, I quit. 1.00

02:06:40.000 The ghost would just take naps. 1.00

02:06:42.000 The ghost would just take naps and do pills. 0.97

02:06:44.000 Imagine if you saw a ghost of a fat chick eating pills on the couch. 1.00

02:06:48.000 It's such a non-threatening ghost. 0.94

02:06:52.000 Especially on Seminole land.

02:06:54.000 She would be the least scary ghost in an Indian burial. 0.99

02:06:58.000 Think about that.

02:07:00.000 You're talking about Native Americans who are not just persecuted, but they were Genocide was committed upon their people.

02:07:05.000 And as a compensation, they were given swaths of land where they can open up casinos.

02:07:11.000 I mean, it's madness.

02:07:13.000 I always say the Indian casinos, the famous saying is, the house always wins. 0.98

02:07:17.000 The Indian casino is the only casino where the house never wins. 0.99

02:07:21.000 Because no matter how much money you lose, we still rape their women and stole their country. 1.00

02:07:24.000 So it's like, call it reparations, sit down at the one-armed bandit and lose some money for crying out loud. 0.90

02:07:29.000 Yeah.

02:07:31.000 But what's interesting is that now, and this might go to your earlier point, that it's affluenza, there are no Native Americans that work at these casinos anymore.

02:07:43.000 They sit at home, get the check, Every month from the revenue. 0.98

02:07:48.000 And now they're hiring white boys to wrestle alligators and do all the Indian cultural, Native American, rather cultural shit. 0.99

02:07:55.000 And there's no Indians in an Indian casino anymore. 0.99

02:07:59.000 They're all just kind of living off the fat of the land and getting their checks and not incentivized to motivate or do anything.

02:08:06.000 And you see higher rates of alcoholism, of drug abuse, and they're just sitting around getting checks and a lot of them are dying.

02:08:15.000 Well, that's always been an issue on Native American reservations, right?

02:08:18.000 Alcoholism, drug abuse, depression.

02:08:22.000 I mean, their culture was stolen.

02:08:24.000 I mean, it's like essentially they were wiped out except for a few survivors who were then forced to assimilate in this new, strange culture and then made aware of it painfully every step of the way when you're growing up that you were the loser in this cultural genocide attack.

02:08:42.000 Seminoles are unconquered, they always were. 1.00

02:08:43.000 Yes, they always say that.

02:08:45.000 Well, the Seminoles actually do a lot of good things.

02:08:47.000 They use that money in a lot of good ways.

02:08:49.000 And they support a lot of charities.

02:08:52.000 That tribe in Florida is responsible for a lot of good things.

02:08:55.000 And dude, they bought one of the most American brands.

02:08:58.000 The Hard Rock. 1.00

02:08:59.000 Talk about the ultimate fuck you. 1.00

02:09:01.000 We own the hard rock. 1.00

02:09:03.000 I'm like, what a great thing that was.

02:09:06.000 I love that club, too.

02:09:07.000 I work at that club every time I'm down there.

02:09:09.000 I prefer that club over the bigger one in West Palm, which I get more money at.

02:09:13.000 It's like a more intimate environment.

02:09:15.000 I go there and I sacrifice a little money and I have a better time sometimes.

02:09:19.000 My girlfriend was doing a project for school a few months ago, and it was about the...

02:09:24.000 Appropriation of Native American culture and how it's one of the few races where it's still okay. 1.00

02:09:31.000 It's a whole Redskins phenomenon, you know, like how it's still okay to be racist and to create kind of like minstrel-esque images of them.

02:09:39.000 Children dressing up.

02:09:39.000 Yeah.

02:09:40.000 How about the fucking Redskins? 1.00

02:09:40.000 Redskins! 1.00

02:09:42.000 That's like having a team called the N-word.

02:09:43.000 That's the equivalent.

02:09:44.000 But people don't look at it that way.

02:09:46.000 I just don't understand how they don't just change the name.

02:09:49.000 It's not a difficult thing.

02:09:50.000 And do it, look, if you want to honor Native Americans and somehow or another keep like that, you could just change the name.

02:09:56.000 You know, call it, you could call it whatever.

02:09:59.000 I mean, there's people that call it the Warriors, like the Golden State Warriors. 0.97

02:10:02.000 Like, no one's having, I don't think if they do have an issue with that, they're being silly. 0.96

02:10:02.000 Right. 0.96

02:10:06.000 Yeah.

02:10:06.000 Because that's an honorable, I mean, that's like, you're being proud of what these people were at their finest or at their most noble and powerful.

02:10:15.000 People still get offended I'm offended by the mascot tree, though.

02:10:17.000 Of course.

02:10:17.000 And it's a real white guilt moment for me.

02:10:21.000 Well, there's animal rights activists who get offended by any mascots. 0.99

02:10:24.000 You're always going to have some people that are ridiculous. 0.94

02:10:27.000 But redskin is a little weird, man. 1.00

02:10:30.000 I didn't really think about it that way, but it's incredibly offensive.

02:10:33.000 Cleveland Indians?

02:10:34.000 Yeah, I saw it earlier. 1.00

02:10:35.000 Yeah, that's offensive, you fuck. 1.00

02:10:37.000 Good work, wild thing. 1.00

02:10:37.000 What are you doing wearing that? 1.00

02:10:38.000 Good work, wild thing.

02:10:40.000 Yeah, I just like...

02:10:41.000 But I wasn't...

02:10:42.000 That was something I was completely...

02:10:43.000 I don't want to say I was insensitive to it.

02:10:45.000 I was just kind of unaware of it.

02:10:46.000 And then she starts doing this whole PowerPoint on it.

02:10:49.000 And she starts going and getting racist iconography through the years.

02:10:54.000 Particularly in the South.

02:10:56.000 We're in Miami and Florida.

02:10:57.000 And I was like...

02:10:59.000 And she was kind of putting them...

02:11:00.000 She was doing side-by-side comparisons to classic...

02:11:04.000 Pre-civil rights era racist advertising and posters and imagery and art and then contemporary Native American depictions.

02:11:15.000 Left and right. 1.00

02:11:16.000 And I'm like, oh shit. 0.99

02:11:18.000 I was like, yeah, how can we not see that that's... 0.99

02:11:21.000 Like, that was... 0.94

02:11:22.000 That racist, you know, a black... 1.00

02:11:24.000 You know, the black cartoon face with the great big lips eating a watermelon. 1.00

02:11:29.000 That was okay once. 1.00

02:11:30.000 You could advertise your store or your product using that kind of shit. 1.00

02:11:35.000 And then she's got the same exact... 0.99

02:11:39.000 Reminiscent imagery, but from contemporary ads.

02:11:43.000 Again, kids dressed up as Indians, and with the war paint, and the headdress, and kind of comparing that to modern-day minstrel. 0.75

02:11:54.000 And I'm like, that's fascinating.

02:11:55.000 I just never thought about it that way.

02:11:57.000 White privilege. 0.98

02:11:58.000 As a white man, I started to feel all fucking bad about it again. 1.00

02:12:01.000 And I'm like, I'm the asshole. 1.00

02:12:03.000 I never thought about this before, and I'm an asshole for never having... 1.00

02:12:06.000 But Redskins is like... 0.99

02:12:07.000 I'm saying it. 0.99

02:12:08.000 I'm actually going like, oh shit, should I be saying the R word? 0.99

02:12:10.000 I'm actually now in that headspace because of white guilt. 0.99

02:12:14.000 Yeah, it's definitely not necessary.

02:12:18.000 It's not!

02:12:19.000 It's not!

02:12:19.000 Look, you could still have the same exact team, the same exact athletes, the same exact pride, and just let's get together and have a contest to come up with a new name.

02:12:28.000 And you would get people that would be so happy about that.

02:12:31.000 And the publicity from that contest alone.

02:12:33.000 I'm sorry, but we're going to keep it out of tradition and because our fans aren't offended by it.

02:12:38.000 We had slavery out of tradition. 0.99

02:12:40.000 Is Aunt Jemima still have a fucking black lady that looks like a slave on the cover of their... 1.00

02:12:46.000 Yes. 1.00

02:12:47.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

02:12:48.000 How's that happening? 1.00

02:12:49.000 That's a thing.

02:12:50.000 Is there an Aunt Jemima.com?

02:12:52.000 I think she's the woman who actually created the syrup, right?

02:12:55.000 There she is.

02:12:56.000 There she is.

02:12:56.000 But she's a lovely woman.

02:12:58.000 Yeah, well, she looks different now.

02:12:59.000 Yeah, she's not all dressed like the mammy. 0.99

02:13:01.000 She used to be a mammy, though. 0.99

02:13:03.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:04.000 It was like right out of Antebellum South.

02:13:05.000 It was like a Gone with the Wind character.

02:13:07.000 Yeah, right?

02:13:07.000 Absolutely.

02:13:08.000 Yeah.

02:13:11.000 She's a lovely working woman now. 0.97

02:13:13.000 Well, she has regular hair now, too.

02:13:15.000 She used to have that bandana over her hair where she wouldn't get her dirty hair and the white man's food. 1.00

02:13:21.000 Yeah, this is what she used to look like, man. 1.00

02:13:24.000 Good lord.

02:13:25.000 Yeah.

02:13:26.000 Oh my god.

02:13:27.000 Aunt Jemima used to look like a slave. 1.00

02:13:29.000 Well, that's why they updated Wendy, you know, because the ginger protest movement was trying to get Wendy of Wendy's. 0.88

02:13:34.000 Really?

02:13:35.000 Oh.

02:13:35.000 No, I'm just...

02:13:36.000 Goddamn. 0.99

02:13:37.000 Some people are sensitive about that. 0.99

02:13:38.000 The redheads, not the redskins, but the redheads. 0.98

02:13:40.000 I'm wondering, like, are we...

02:13:40.000 But that's what I'm wondering.

02:13:42.000 At what point does it be...

02:13:43.000 Are we veering into political correctness?

02:13:45.000 I think...

02:13:47.000 The Redskins thing is going too far.

02:13:49.000 I really believe that.

02:13:50.000 You mean in a negative way?

02:13:52.000 I don't think we're being overly sensitive, is what I'm saying.

02:13:56.000 No, I don't think so at all. 0.99

02:13:57.000 I think it's fucked up. 0.99

02:13:58.000 I think if you were a Native American, it would be a huge issue. 1.00

02:14:02.000 Absolutely. 1.00

02:14:03.000 It would be very much like, you know, if you had the fucking... 0.99

02:14:07.000 San Francisco guineas. 1.00

02:14:10.000 The mascot was the fucking Italian guy with a hairy chest and gold chains looking stupid with pasta stains on his shirt. 1.00

02:14:16.000 That would be Jersey. 1.00

02:14:17.000 That would be San Francisco.

02:14:20.000 There's a lot of guineas in San Francisco, believe it or not.

02:14:22.000 Is that a thing?

02:14:22.000 Really?

02:14:23.000 Is there like Little Italy?

02:14:25.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:14:26.000 There's a lot of Italian people in San Francisco. 0.97

02:14:28.000 San Francisco has some fucking amazing Italian food. 0.99

02:14:31.000 Goddamn, on Columbus Ave. 1.00

02:14:32.000 Best dim sum of my life. 0.97

02:14:34.000 They're very good Chinese food, but very good Italian food too.

02:14:36.000 San Francisco is really good.

02:14:38.000 There's some jamming Italian restaurants we eat at every time we work there.

02:14:42.000 I was complaining about, have you ever driven in San Francisco?

02:14:44.000 It is treacherous. 0.99

02:14:45.000 Dude, it is fucking treacherous. 0.99

02:14:47.000 I grew up in Boston, son. 0.99

02:14:47.000 It's easy. 0.99

02:14:48.000 Oh yeah, I grew up in Miami.

02:14:50.000 I grew up on black ice.

02:14:51.000 We're at sea level.

02:14:52.000 We're at sea level.

02:14:53.000 You know the highest elevation in the state is Mount Trashmore.

02:14:56.000 It's a landfill.

02:14:57.000 That is the highest elevation in the state.

02:14:59.000 And appropriately, when they did that movie Rock of Ages, they put the Hollywood sign on Mount Trashmore.

02:14:59.000 How tall is it?

02:15:05.000 Oh, that's funny.

02:15:06.000 We always say in Florida, the only thing you can't really recreate is mountains and snow, but they found a way to do it.

02:15:11.000 I don't know how high it is, but that's the highest point of elevation in Florida. 0.99

02:15:14.000 It's all trash. 0.98

02:15:15.000 Mount Trashmore.

02:15:15.000 It's a landfill that they're just piling on.

02:15:18.000 But I grew up...

02:15:20.000 It was the scariest thing.

02:15:22.000 We were actually doing Cocaine Cowboys 2, hustling with the godmother in Oakland, in Brookfield Village.

02:15:28.000 And I had to drive the equipment truck back and return the equipment at the end of that shoot.

02:15:34.000 So I'm driving in this great big truck with, I don't know, untold thousands of dollars worth of equipment that I've got to return to this house.

02:15:39.000 And I was just petrified.

02:15:41.000 Why?

02:15:42.000 Because I was looking straight up.

02:15:45.000 Oh, the hills.

02:15:46.000 The hills, dude!

02:15:47.000 Did you ever see Bullet with Steve McQueen?

02:15:48.000 Of course!

02:15:49.000 I watched it again a couple weeks ago, or a couple months ago.

02:15:52.000 I was on a trip in Canada, and I was watching it with a friend who had never seen it before. 0.96

02:15:57.000 I was like, dude, you're in for a goddamn treat. 0.98

02:15:59.000 This is a real American movie. 0.97

02:16:01.000 And it's also a movie where there's very little dialogue.

02:16:04.000 It's a great movie, man.

02:16:05.000 Bullet with Steve McQueen's a great movie.

02:16:07.000 The 70s were like the last golden age of American cinema. 0.99

02:16:11.000 It's when shit got real. 1.00

02:16:13.000 It's when shit got real. 1.00

02:16:14.000 They were definitely different. 0.99

02:16:15.000 It was a completely different style of making a movie back then. 0.99

02:16:19.000 You didn't have to have music in every goddamn scene. 0.97

02:16:21.000 You had some real moments too. 0.99

02:16:24.000 Gritty, gritty, gritty, gritty, gritty.

02:16:26.000 And I think they were just coming out of the 60s with that transition where, in terms of censorship, Where you could start pushing the envelope in the 60s.

02:16:36.000 By the 70s, there was no envelope anymore in just mainstream cinema.

02:16:39.000 You could do practically anything.

02:16:42.000 And they did.

02:16:44.000 And that wasn't just in terms of sex and violence, but in terms of the reality and the grittiness of the stories and the characters. 0.99

02:16:51.000 Shit became really... 1.00

02:16:52.000 Dirty Harry. 1.00

02:16:53.000 Those early Dirty Harry movies are brutal.

02:16:57.000 They're brutal. 1.00

02:16:57.000 But they're dumb. 1.00

02:16:59.000 The difference between that and like Bullet. 1.00

02:17:01.000 Bullet is a brilliant movie.

02:17:03.000 It's like the people that are in it, they're great actors.

02:17:05.000 It feels real.

02:17:07.000 There's some Dirty Harry moments where you're like, go ahead, make my day.

02:17:10.000 I'm like, come on. 1.00

02:17:11.000 Fuck out of here, crazy asshole. 1.00

02:17:14.000 You know, it's like, they're fun, but, you know, it's a fun movie to watch, but it doesn't give you a feeling like you're actually watching something that could actually be taking place. 1.00

02:17:21.000 But it's brutal.

02:17:22.000 It is brutal, that movie.

02:17:24.000 It is just raw.

02:17:24.000 Oh, yeah, man.

02:17:25.000 Death Wish, too.

02:17:26.000 Oh, the first one, yeah.

02:17:27.000 Charles Bronson, man.

02:17:28.000 Yeah, the first one, not the fifth one so much.

02:17:30.000 Well, there's, yeah, they started selling out, his face started getting fatter.

02:17:34.000 Listen, again, I made Cocaine Cowboys 2, Hustle of the Godmother.

02:17:37.000 I can't complain about sequels.

02:17:38.000 Why do you not like that one, man?

02:17:38.000 I made the U part two.

02:17:39.000 We've not made two sequels.

02:17:40.000 I don't understand why Cocaine Cowboys 2, you keep apologizing for that.

02:17:44.000 I'm not apologizing for it.

02:17:45.000 Okay, so Cocaine Cowboys 1, you have no apologies, right?

02:17:48.000 No, I mean, there's certainly things I do differently.

02:17:50.000 We got to do Cocaine Cowboys Reloaded, which was great.

02:17:52.000 What was wrong with part two?

02:17:54.000 No, there was nothing wrong with it.

02:17:55.000 Did someone force you to call it Hustlin' with the Godmother?

02:17:58.000 No.

02:17:58.000 Is that what's up?

02:17:59.000 I think what happens is you have a lot of temporary working titles that just stick, like our first doc.

02:18:03.000 There's nothing wrong with it.

02:18:04.000 We did this doc called Raw Deal, A Question of Consent.

02:18:07.000 And Raw Deal was just our working title.

02:18:09.000 And it was about the alleged rape of a stripper at the Delta Chi fraternity house at the University of Florida in Gainesville in the spring of 99. And the entire night's events were captured on two video cameras.

02:18:20.000 And so we used the video footage and then we interviewed the stripper and we interviewed some of the fraternity men.

02:18:25.000 So the thing about the footage is that it was placed in the public record.

02:18:29.000 I was talking about these very liberal public record laws we have in Florida.

02:18:32.000 So it was placed in the public record and it became like the cause celeb in Gainesville.

02:18:35.000 Gainesville is a small town.

02:18:36.000 I used to live there.

02:18:38.000 Gainesville?

02:18:38.000 Did you really?

02:18:39.000 Yeah, I lived there when I was a little kid.

02:18:40.000 Between the age of 7 and 11, I lived in Gainesville.

02:18:43.000 Really?

02:18:44.000 You're an actual county resident.

02:18:45.000 Going to the University of Florida, so I was down there.

02:18:48.000 I used to go to Lake Alice and feed alligators, marshmallows, before they made it illegal.

02:18:53.000 Wow, yeah.

02:18:54.000 Well, they were in the Ocala National Forest, which you might be familiar with, and they were doing a Big Brother, Little Brother pledge event.

02:19:01.000 I didn't rush.

02:19:02.000 I wasn't in the Greek world, but some ritual where there's a bonfire.

02:19:07.000 I don't know what the hell they do.

02:19:07.000 Is there anything that needs to be boycotted?

02:19:09.000 Boycott that shit, kids. 1.00

02:19:10.000 Enough. 1.00

02:19:11.000 Be your own fucking man. 1.00

02:19:13.000 Quick flash forward. 1.00

02:19:14.000 We premiered at Sundance Film Festival and then later went to the Edinburgh Film Festival.

02:19:17.000 It's like the Sundance of Europe.

02:19:18.000 So we go to Edinburgh and all the questions, which is kind of interesting because most of the questions in America were about this controversy, which I'll get into in a minute, but almost all the questions in Edinburgh We're about what the hell the Greek system is.

02:19:30.000 They don't have it there.

02:19:31.000 So they were completely...

02:19:33.000 This was like a total...

02:19:34.000 It was like a Nat Geo doc for them.

02:19:36.000 They were like, what is this...

02:19:37.000 What is fraternities?

02:19:38.000 And I'm like the least qualified person to be at...

02:19:40.000 To be talking about that.

02:19:42.000 I think when you go to the University of Miami, which I did...

02:19:45.000 And I was a Miami guy.

02:19:46.000 Like, you don't need to...

02:19:49.000 For social interaction, you don't need a club.

02:19:52.000 Like you might need to do in Gainesville or Tallahassee or these college towns.

02:19:56.000 These insulated college towns where the social environment is very kind of restricted.

02:20:00.000 In Miami, it's like, who cares? 0.99

02:20:01.000 Well, it's also this hazing and all the fucking... 1.00

02:20:03.000 Pledging. 1.00

02:20:04.000 It's creepy, dude. 1.00

02:20:04.000 Fuck all that, man. 1.00

02:20:05.000 It's creepy. 1.00

02:20:06.000 So they're hazing these kids or whatever this ritual.

02:20:08.000 The big brother, little brother pledge ritual out in the forest.

02:20:11.000 They go back to the fraternity house, to the common area, and they have two strippers that they hired to come and perform.

02:20:17.000 One of the strippers leaves after the show.

02:20:19.000 One of the strippers goes back for a private party with some of the fraternity men.

02:20:37.000 And as a result of that...

02:20:54.000 One of the two videotapes.

02:20:55.000 One of the two videotapes.

02:20:55.000 What about the second videotape?

02:20:56.000 They didn't care.

02:20:57.000 But does the second videotape show an actual rape?

02:20:59.000 The second videotape, as it turns out, was just coverage of...

02:21:02.000 It was like A cam, B cam.

02:21:03.000 So the second videotape doesn't show that much more.

02:21:06.000 It just shows alternate angles of the same action rather than...

02:21:10.000 So what happens is there's now a misdemeanor filing a false police report case against this woman.

02:21:15.000 And as a result, the media says, well, we want to see that this is evidence in a criminal case.

02:21:20.000 Her lawyer argues that under rape shield laws that her identity should be protected and this videotape footage should be protected because it depicts a rape.

02:21:27.000 A judge viewed the footage and says, this ain't no rape. 0.85

02:21:31.000 And they release the footage to the public.

02:21:33.000 And there's a backlog at the state attorney's office and the clerk of courts there.

02:21:37.000 Because they're like making copies of the videotape and sending it to people.

02:21:41.000 So in Gainesville, if you were the first person on your block to get the tape...

02:21:45.000 What they call the rape tape. 0.96

02:21:46.000 You'd have a kegger.

02:21:47.000 People would invite friends over to their house.

02:21:50.000 Because you were the first person to get it and everybody wanted to see it.

02:21:53.000 So what happens is like...

02:21:55.000 Growing up in Miami, you got friends, of course, who go to Gainesville, go to Tallahassee, go to the two major state schools.

02:22:00.000 Of course, only in Florida do our two flagship state schools were they both targets of major serial killers.

02:22:07.000 Ted Bundy in Tallahassee and Danny Rowling in University of Florida.

02:22:10.000 Only in Florida.

02:22:12.000 And...

02:22:13.000 So we hear from friends.

02:22:14.000 So I'll never forget this as long as I live.

02:22:15.000 We hear from one of our friends.

02:22:16.000 And we grew up same neighborhood.

02:22:18.000 I say that same upbringing, white, middle class Jewish kids.

02:22:22.000 I say that to say we had similar kind of life experiences.

02:22:25.000 And come at things with a not dissimilar worldview.

02:22:29.000 So they said, did you hear?

02:22:30.000 This is like summer of 99 by now.

02:22:32.000 And they're like, did you hear about this case with Delta Chi and the stripper and the videotape?

02:22:35.000 I read about it.

02:22:35.000 I said, yeah, yeah.

02:22:37.000 And they're like, I just saw the videotape at a friend's house.

02:22:40.000 I was like, well, what happened?

02:22:42.000 And my friend's like, he's like, it was disgusting.

02:22:45.000 What they do to this poor woman, like, I haven't been able to eat or sleep for days. 1.00

02:22:49.000 It's horrible what they put her through, how they talk to her, how they put her down, how they hold her down.

02:22:53.000 She's kicking and trying to get away. 1.00

02:22:55.000 And I can't believe they haven't arrested these guys.

02:22:57.000 And it's just, I'm just completely distraught over it.

02:22:59.000 And then days later, I hear from another buddy.

02:23:01.000 Again, we all grew up together.

02:23:03.000 Same story.

02:23:03.000 Same group.

02:23:04.000 I said, what?

02:23:06.000 He said, did you hear about the video?

02:23:07.000 I just heard.

02:23:07.000 I said, of course.

02:23:08.000 Yeah, he's like, this lying slut. 1.00

02:23:10.000 Oh, no. 1.00

02:23:12.000 While she's screwing around with all these guys and then she cries rape, they should lock her up and throw away the key. 1.00

02:23:18.000 And I'm like, what on earth? 1.00

02:23:20.000 You have two...

02:23:21.000 Did you see the tape before this?

02:23:23.000 No, not before this.

02:23:24.000 I only heard about it from these guys.

02:23:25.000 And I'm like, two reasonable, educated, similar demo guys watch the same footage and diametrically disagree about whether or not they witnessed a consensual or non-consensual sex act.

02:23:37.000 And I'm like, we gotta see this footage.

02:23:38.000 So in a sense, it's kind of analogous to this Trayvon Martin thing in sort of a way, but you actually have a video.

02:23:44.000 Right, but you have the video.

02:23:45.000 People have predisposed to have an opinion.

02:23:47.000 Or the Duke Lacrosse case.

02:23:47.000 Yeah.

02:23:48.000 The Duke Lacrosse case, which turns out they never touched the girl.

02:23:50.000 A lot of the guys were alibied.

02:23:52.000 One guy was at an ATM machine making a withdrawal while the woman claims that he was raping her. 0.51

02:23:57.000 But here, you had sexual interaction. 0.55

02:24:00.000 Unquestionably.

02:24:00.000 Right.

02:24:01.000 Undeniably.

02:24:01.000 Here was videotaped footage of the sexual interaction.

02:24:05.000 What's your take on what actually happened?

02:24:06.000 You gotta see the movie. 1.00

02:24:08.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:24:09.000 I hate to say that. 1.00

02:24:09.000 I'm gonna send it to you. 1.00

02:24:10.000 We don't have much time left.

02:24:12.000 You don't have to worry about it.

02:24:12.000 You gotta just tell me, because you have to tell me.

02:24:14.000 What do you think?

02:24:16.000 What I think is that you have one of the most oft-committed, least reported crimes in the history of man.

02:24:22.000 Most of these crimes, as they say, are not like the masked man in the bushes.

02:24:27.000 Stranger rape makes up the minority of rape.

02:24:30.000 It's mostly acquaintance or date rape.

02:24:33.000 What I think though is that you have a world where we expect videotaped footage to tell an objective truth.

02:24:39.000 To say, here's the surveillance video, there's the guy robbing the store, let's go find him, case closed.

02:24:44.000 When you have a crime like this that exists Predominantly in the minds of the alleged victim and alleged perpetrator, it's almost impossible to determine because not all...

02:24:56.000 What she claims is like, this wasn't a Hollywood rape.

02:25:00.000 This wasn't me kicking and screaming and crying going, no, [...

02:25:04.000 She was a professional stripper. 1.00

02:25:06.000 She had been most of her life.

02:25:07.000 And she comes from a world where we spoke to a rape crisis counselor whose office was near strip clubs, like close to a lot of strip clubs in Florida, and he...

02:25:15.000 Found a lot of professional girls, so to speak, who would come in, and they're always trying to maintain a line. 1.00

02:25:21.000 You know, this is what...

02:25:23.000 Ever got a lap dance, like, here are the rules.

02:25:25.000 I can touch you, you can...

02:25:26.000 And then over the course of the thing, depending on how much money is spent, the lines get blurred.

02:25:31.000 There are certain things, there are certain compromises that are made.

02:25:34.000 And so what happens here is that...

02:25:36.000 Over the course of a long night, she had danced at like three or four plays.

02:25:38.000 This was like her third or fourth show, last one of the night.

02:25:41.000 She... 1.00

02:25:43.000 Partied with the guy.

02:25:44.000 She was drinking.

02:25:46.000 They were drinking.

02:25:47.000 They might have even been rolling.

02:25:49.000 There's a lot of...

02:25:50.000 That line gets seriously blurred.

02:25:53.000 And at what point...

02:25:53.000 Okay.

02:25:56.000 At any point if a woman doesn't want... 1.00

02:25:58.000 I poll the audience.

02:26:00.000 And this is really interesting too.

02:26:01.000 I would call it the worst date movie of all time.

02:26:03.000 I poll the audience.

02:26:04.000 We always assume that the women would side with her and the men would side with the men. 0.68

02:26:08.000 Very often it's the exact opposite of that.

02:26:11.000 And the men are more inclined to believe her and the women are more inclined to believe the men.

02:26:15.000 Because they don't want to...

02:26:17.000 The behavior from both parties is pretty...

02:26:20.000 Reprehensible, depending on your morals and values.

02:26:23.000 For some people, it's a Tuesday night.

02:26:24.000 But for others, it's like, this is appalling.

02:26:27.000 I don't want to associate my gender's behavior with that behavior.

02:26:30.000 Not to say she deserved it or anything, but people really want to dismiss it.

02:26:33.000 I talked to Roy Black, the famous defense attorney.

02:26:36.000 One of his most famous clients was William Kennedy Smith, the famous rape trial in Palm Beach at the Kennedy compound.

02:26:42.000 And Roy Black, going in, the Kennedys were like, well, we need Kennedy Democrats.

02:26:50.000 On this jury, obviously.

02:26:52.000 And the jury consultant came in and said, No, what you need is middle-aged or older white Republican women. 1.00

02:27:01.000 Because their values, they're going to look at this.

02:27:03.000 This woman goes out with this man drinking and dining.

02:27:07.000 She goes back to his place at whatever ungodly hour of the night.

02:27:11.000 And what does she expect will happen?

02:27:13.000 That's much more the mentality of not Kennedy Democrats.

02:27:16.000 But they wound up going with that jury.

02:27:18.000 Not only did he get acquitted, but Roy Black married the jury forewoman, his Leah Black.

02:27:23.000 If you're familiar with the Real Housewives of Miami, I'm sure you're an avid.

02:27:27.000 Yeah, I know.

02:27:28.000 The Real Housewives of Miami.

02:27:29.000 I know nothing of that.

02:27:31.000 If you took one part of each of the Housewives, you might be able to build one real one, I think.

02:27:39.000 Men and women diametrically are sort of opposed.

02:27:43.000 And then you have a situation where I pull the audience and I'll say, how many of you believe she was raped?

02:27:49.000 How many of you believe she wasn't raped?

02:27:51.000 How many of you believe that some sexual activity occurred that she didn't consent to, that she didn't want to happen?

02:27:58.000 Most people raised their hands.

02:27:59.000 I'm like, well, that, under the law, is right.

02:28:01.000 But how do you find a jury of 12 people that is going to convict based on her behavior?

02:28:08.000 Social justice warrior websites.

02:28:10.000 They were judging her behavior.

02:28:13.000 And I'll tell you something.

02:28:14.000 In this case, I'm with them.

02:28:15.000 Well, I'm reading the police report, which is like a 70-page police report on a misdemeanor filing a false police report.

02:28:21.000 It's a police report against her, the case against the woman for filing a false police report.

02:28:25.000 And the woman who wrote it, the detective, I thought it revealed more about her than anybody else.

02:28:29.000 But there's one phrase I'll never forget in all of these pages.

02:28:33.000 She writes...

02:28:35.000 The woman went to dance at all of these houses, leaving her two children, who are black, at home with a babysitter or with her mother or something like that. 0.79

02:28:45.000 And I was like...

02:28:47.000 Just those three words.

02:28:49.000 And I was like... 0.90

02:28:50.000 She had been married to her ex-husband who was a black man.

02:28:53.000 They had two children together.

02:28:54.000 And I was like, what?

02:28:55.000 How in the world?

02:28:57.000 Well, you lived in Alachua County.

02:28:58.000 I don't know if that means something to people there.

02:29:00.000 But I was like, how does that have any...

02:29:03.000 Her children, who are black, were left at home.

02:29:06.000 Polish.

02:29:07.000 Yeah, her children who are Russian.

02:29:09.000 Her children who are Italian.

02:29:11.000 I've never seen that.

02:29:12.000 I'm like, what's the implication or what's the relevance of this in a criminal proceeding?

02:29:17.000 But I will put it to you this way.

02:29:19.000 The people leave.

02:29:20.000 I, over the course of working on the movie, I changed my mind several times.

02:29:24.000 Over the course of watching the movie, and as you live life and get more life experience, because people come to this movie with their own baggage.

02:29:29.000 I've seen, I've had Q&A's where women get up to the microphone and say, I've never said this before.

02:29:34.000 I was the victim of a rape on campus and start talking.

02:29:37.000 It can be a very cathartic experience.

02:29:39.000 It can be very disturbing.

02:29:40.000 There are people who can't even watch it.

02:29:42.000 Well, it's very, very common.

02:29:42.000 I mean, but it's also common.

02:29:44.000 False rape claims are also very common.

02:29:46.000 They're not.

02:29:46.000 They're not common.

02:29:47.000 False rape claims happen all the time.

02:29:50.000 They're not common.

02:29:50.000 What do you mean by not common?

02:29:52.000 They're a minority of rape claims.

02:29:56.000 I agree with that.

02:29:57.000 However, they're still common.

02:29:58.000 Yes.

02:29:59.000 And extraordinarily damaging to everybody involved.

02:30:01.000 But common.

02:30:02.000 No, I don't...

02:30:03.000 What do you mean by not common?

02:30:05.000 Well, I think rape... 1.00

02:30:07.000 What percentage is not common?

02:30:09.000 If they happen every day, and they do, is that not common?

02:30:13.000 I think you're...

02:30:13.000 I think you're talking...

02:30:14.000 Yes, it's common, but you're talking about single digits.

02:30:17.000 I think...

02:30:17.000 No, no, no, no.

02:30:18.000 I'm not talking about majority.

02:30:19.000 I'm not talking about that.

02:30:21.000 I'm talking about false...

02:30:21.000 They occur regularly.

02:30:22.000 Yes, which is common, right?

02:30:24.000 Yes.

02:30:24.000 They occur regularly.

02:30:26.000 And that must be taken...

02:30:26.000 If you're going to look at it completely objectively.

02:30:29.000 Yes, you are.

02:30:29.000 Well, you're...

02:30:29.000 You know, you're being sensitive to the victims, which is very important.

02:30:32.000 But if you look at it objectively, and just as strictly as a numerical issue, I mean, I believe the number's like 8%.

02:30:40.000 I think that's the statistically proven number as far as like...

02:30:45.000 Investigated claims of rape.

02:30:47.000 I think it's lower, but it's single digits.

02:30:48.000 It probably varies.

02:30:50.000 Yes, I think it's single digits.

02:30:51.000 It probably varies.

02:30:52.000 And then there's also the reality that a lot of rapes go unreported because women are ashamed of what happened and they would rather just ignore it.

02:30:59.000 And because they're going to be accused of false reporting and their entire past and sexual experience is going to be brought to bear.

02:31:05.000 There's a lot, and there's also, you also have to take into consideration a lot of false rape claims.

02:31:09.000 The guys get convicted, and it's never proven that it's a false rape claim.

02:31:12.000 That's a fact.

02:31:13.000 I've had that happen to a friend.

02:31:14.000 I know that it works both ways.

02:31:17.000 Human beings are, we vary. 1.00

02:31:19.000 You know, there's people that are full of shit, and there are men, and there's people that are full of shit that are women. 1.00

02:31:23.000 So, there's always going to be that possibility that it's a false rape claim. 1.00

02:31:29.000 Which gender has the greatest percentage of people full of shit? 1.00

02:31:31.000 No, I'm just fucking kidding. 1.00

02:31:33.000 It's across the board. 0.98

02:31:34.000 It's probably 50% across the board.

02:31:36.000 You know what you think? 1.00

02:31:37.000 I was just fucking with you. 1.00

02:31:39.000 Maybe men. 1.00

02:31:40.000 Because men...

02:31:41.000 Well, no. 1.00

02:31:42.000 Because men try harder to fuck women. 1.00

02:31:44.000 So maybe we have to be... 1.00

02:31:45.000 Because women are more pursued. 1.00

02:31:46.000 We have to be more full of shit. 1.00

02:31:48.000 I think that's more possible. 1.00

02:31:49.000 I don't know.

02:31:50.000 That's a good question.

02:31:51.000 That's a good documentary subject. 1.00

02:31:53.000 What gender is more full of shit? 1.00

02:31:55.000 It's a great title. 1.00

02:31:56.000 Yeah.

02:31:56.000 It's a great title.

02:31:57.000 What gender is more full of shit? 1.00

02:31:59.000 It's not a bad idea. 1.00

02:32:00.000 I think you're right.

02:32:01.000 I think that we're going to find it's pretty...

02:32:02.000 It's pretty close.

02:32:03.000 Yeah, it's pretty close.

02:32:04.000 But, you know, the rape thing, as far as like, you know, I think there's way more rape than there is falsely accused, you know, false rape claims.

02:32:14.000 Yeah, well, and in the spirit of justice, in the spirit of, you know, let...

02:32:19.000 Let ten guilty men go free than one innocent man spend a moment being deprived of his liberty.

02:32:27.000 I mean, I understand that.

02:32:29.000 And I gotta say, no matter how low the rate is...

02:32:32.000 Two percent, according to Wikipedia.

02:32:34.000 No matter how low that is, the two percent of men that the false claims occur to, it's pretty fucking important to them, I can imagine.

02:32:43.000 Oh yeah, man.

02:32:44.000 Doesn't matter if it's one-tenth of one percent, if it's you...

02:32:44.000 But in those cases...

02:32:47.000 And in the vast majority of those cases, I believe it has to do with some sort of mental deficiency on the part of the woman. 0.99

02:32:53.000 It has to do with some sort of revenge kind of scenario.

02:32:57.000 The motive is really personal and really obvious and can usually be quickly proven.

02:33:03.000 But as soon as you are accused...

02:33:04.000 There are some cases where you're right.

02:33:05.000 It's strictly a he said, she said.

02:33:08.000 And you could find yourself in a lot of trouble.

02:33:11.000 And that's obviously not okay.

02:33:13.000 I think the problem is you cannot...

02:33:15.000 We have a society that I think unfortunately discourages women from reporting, from coming forward.

02:33:21.000 And I think that that's a serious problem because in crimes like this, a lot of the people who commit them continue to commit them.

02:33:31.000 The rate of recidivism, I think, is such that if they're not being reported, you're going to see more victims, unfortunately.

02:33:38.000 Well, there's also, without a doubt, there's people that For whatever reason, they don't look at other people as being equal to them, you know, and that that is what allows someone to rape someone.

02:33:54.000 That's what happens in this video.

02:33:55.000 She is a local girl.

02:33:56.000 She goes to Santa Fe Community College as opposed to like, you know, the flagship state school that like the quote rich out of town kids, you know, go to and they treat her like The way they speak to her.

02:34:10.000 The way they speak to her.

02:34:12.000 And it's a similar phenomenon in the Duke Lacrosse case, is that that woman was black, but here this woman who was white in this Raw Deal case, but had black children. 0.89

02:34:23.000 I think, what's the famous line from Bullworth?

02:34:27.000 White people have more in common with black people than they do with rich people. 0.93

02:34:31.000 Meaning, the division is not so much black and white.

02:34:35.000 That's kind of a, that's a flashy object to divide us.

02:34:37.000 It's poor and affluent.

02:34:39.000 Absolutely.

02:34:39.000 It's the haves and the have-nots.

02:34:41.000 And the poor people get treated like shit no matter what color they are. 1.00

02:34:44.000 Well, also people in that position, people that are strippers, you know, because it's looked down upon as like a seedy career choice of losers. 1.00

02:34:52.000 Right. 1.00

02:34:52.000 You know, so you're allowed to treat her like shit. 1.00

02:34:55.000 And then she's in a fraternity, which is not even a protected environment like an actual strip club. 1.00

02:35:00.000 And you're dealing with people that are drunk and their judgment's all fucked up because of that. 0.94

02:35:05.000 And then, you know, who knows? 0.99

02:35:07.000 Plus...

02:35:08.000 You're dealing with developing minds, and 18-year-old kids that are drunk, they really shouldn't be drunk. 1.00

02:35:13.000 They don't know what the fuck they're doing, and on top of that, they've probably been raised by assholes, you know? 1.00

02:35:18.000 I mean, there's a good percentage of people who are assholes, and these kids, drunk, in some fucking thing, feeding off of each other, gang mentality, which is a real- Gang mentality is fucking terrifying, man. 1.00

02:35:31.000 Gang mentality that you see in riots. 1.00

02:35:34.000 Gang mentality that you see in behavior that you would never see.

02:35:37.000 You're willing to alter your behavior to the point of criminality because of the outside influence.

02:35:37.000 Gang rape in India.

02:35:44.000 Based on everybody else doing it. 0.99

02:35:46.000 That's like a psychosis.

02:35:48.000 What's going on in the brain when that's happening?

02:35:51.000 It speaks to our weird, the way that human beings imitate our atmospheres, which is like a big part of what we were talking about earlier about culture.

02:35:59.000 You get stuck in certain cultures and cultures where violence is accepted and violence, like if you live in the Congo, you know, and you're in a tribe and there's a warlord, you know, and you're seeing people shot and killed all the time.

02:36:14.000 Life has no value.

02:36:16.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just, that's their environment.

02:36:19.000 I have to ask you this, because I mean, you've talked about it a zillion times, but like America's gun culture, that's what everybody says.

02:36:24.000 America's propensity towards violence and proliferation of violence, and you don't see this in other country because you don't see the quantity.

02:36:32.000 Of guns.

02:36:33.000 Yeah.

02:36:34.000 Well, it's an issue.

02:36:35.000 And the celebration of violence, of course, in our media and our art and entertainment, etc.

02:36:39.000 That's an issue, too.

02:36:40.000 The celebration in video games, celebration in...

02:36:43.000 All those things are unquestionably influences. 0.67

02:36:47.000 However, if you look at the actual numbers of people that have guns, which is fucking staggering, and the actual crimes committed by those guns, it's very small.

02:36:57.000 Absolutely. 0.91

02:36:57.000 Low, yeah. 0.91

02:36:58.000 Which is undeniable, and that's something that people don't like to bring up when they bring up a Newtown massacre or something.

02:37:04.000 Where you have massacres, I believe those are issues of mental health without a doubt.

02:37:10.000 Absolutely.

02:37:11.000 You know, I wrote that this country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem.

02:37:19.000 And I think that there's a real reality when it comes to guns and shooters and mental issues and also the number of people that are involved in mass shootings that are on psychoactive drugs, antipsychotics, antidepressions.

02:37:34.000 They're taking poison.

02:37:35.000 Who knows?

02:37:36.000 But correlation does not equal causation, right?

02:37:39.000 So you don't know if those people are crazy already, and they're giving them drugs to try to treat them, and maybe they would be better off.

02:37:45.000 Maybe it's getting off those drugs, which is often the case, coming down off those drugs.

02:37:52.000 Yeah, the withdrawal effects.

02:37:53.000 The withdrawal that causes these people to go crazy.

02:37:55.000 There's a lot of issues. 0.98

02:37:56.000 But you can't deny that it's too fucking easy to get a gun. 1.00

02:37:59.000 You know, you need a driver's license to get a fucking car. 0.99

02:38:02.000 All you need to do is not be a criminal to get a gun. 0.99

02:38:04.000 I mean, I bought a gun before I knew anything about guns.

02:38:07.000 I didn't know how to use them at all. 0.99

02:38:08.000 They just let me have a fucking pistol. 0.99

02:38:11.000 You need a permit to have a hot dog stand for crime. 1.00

02:38:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:38:14.000 You have to have a permit to shovel snow.

02:38:16.000 I'm a nice person, so I'm not going to go out and shoot people, but I found it incredibly disturbing that all they needed to know was that I wasn't a criminal, I didn't commit any violent crimes, and that's it.

02:38:26.000 That's all they needed to know.

02:38:27.000 And truth be told, if you were a criminal and went on the street to get it, it would be even easier than you walked into it, because they don't want your driver's license if you're buying it on the street.

02:38:33.000 Especially in this country at this point, the numbers.

02:38:37.000 There's the sheer numbers.

02:38:38.000 Like, I've heard it described, like, trying to get guns out of America as, like, trying to take salt out of the ocean.

02:38:43.000 It's like, Jesus Christ, like, you're gonna get all the salt out of the ocean?

02:38:46.000 There's more Americans with, or there's more guns, rather, than there are Americans in America.

02:38:53.000 There's more guns than there are people. 1.00

02:38:55.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.99

02:38:56.000 There's more than 350 million guns in this country. 1.00

02:39:00.000 That is hard to wrap your head around.

02:39:04.000 Well, I got two hands. 0.94

02:39:06.000 Most of us have two hands.

02:39:07.000 Well, I have more guns than I am people.

02:39:09.000 So I'm part of the problem.

02:39:10.000 But I'm not shooting anybody.

02:39:11.000 You're above average.

02:39:12.000 I only have a couple.

02:39:14.000 I just don't think that...

02:39:16.000 I don't think that...

02:39:21.000 The issue is necessarily that there's a lot of guns.

02:39:25.000 The issue to me is we most certainly need a better education program when it comes to the ability to acquire a gun.

02:39:33.000 The fact that you have to go through this, you know, difficult taxing process to get a car.

02:39:39.000 But I think people are afraid that like, you know, like they say that owning a car is a privilege, only a gun is a right.

02:39:46.000 It's a right that's in the bill.

02:39:47.000 You know what I mean?

02:39:48.000 That's all.

02:39:48.000 It's in the Bill of Rights.

02:39:49.000 It's the Second Amendment of the Constitution.

02:39:50.000 It says the right to bear arms.

02:39:53.000 There's people that are legitimately worried, for good reason, that a lot of people have this knee-jerk reaction when any sort of violent crime goes down to take all the guns away from the people.

02:40:02.000 But I don't think that, I don't know, maybe having to take a shooting course is an impediment to your exercising of that right.

02:40:08.000 Gun safety.

02:40:09.000 I've got family in Delaware, and they grew up in gun culture, in hunting culture, and they're some of the most responsible, coolest, best people.

02:40:19.000 Guns have been completely demystified for them. 1.00

02:40:22.000 They're not afraid.

02:40:23.000 They know how to properly use them.

02:40:26.000 And they're the least threatening, coolest, most unassuming people that you could possibly...

02:40:30.000 But they're cool with any type of weapon that you put in front of them.

02:40:35.000 Guns but knives that they use for hunting.

02:40:38.000 And I was just like, what if we all grew up?

02:40:40.000 I think we'd all be nicer to each other, too.

02:40:42.000 We'd all be aware of the power that we possess.

02:40:46.000 We're not just these TV gangsters or whatever.

02:40:49.000 We'd all be a little bit more cognizant of the fact that we have this...

02:40:53.000 If we choose to have the power of life and death over somebody, but they also have it over us.

02:40:58.000 So let's live and let live, right?

02:40:59.000 That expression that a well-armed society is a polite society.

02:41:03.000 And oftentimes that is true, but the aberration, the person who is not polite and decides to take out the fact that they have...

02:41:03.000 Yeah.

02:41:10.000 Do you remember that instance in North Hollywood years back when those guys put on bulletproof vests and had all these crazy guns and they robbed a bank?

02:41:19.000 The bank robbery, yeah.

02:41:20.000 That heat was inspired by it.

02:41:22.000 Crazy, crazy scene. 1.00

02:41:22.000 Fucking crazy. 1.00

02:41:25.000 I was doing news radio at the time, and we all went into the break room, and we're all watching it on this television, and we were all just like freaking the fuck out. 0.99

02:41:32.000 Like, this is real.

02:41:34.000 This isn't a movie.

02:41:35.000 We're watching a shootout between the cops and these insane people with massive firepower.

02:41:41.000 And those types of scenarios, although incredibly rare, are really legitimately frightening to people for a good reason.

02:41:48.000 That's what happened in Miami.

02:41:49.000 You remember the war wagon at the Dadeland Mall shooting in July of 79 that we opened Cocaine Cowboys with.

02:41:56.000 Cops show up at this scene.

02:42:01.000 We're good to go.

02:42:27.000 That had stenciled on the side, happy time party supply, and a phone number.

02:42:32.000 And then on the other side it said, happy supply time and a different phone number on the other side.

02:42:36.000 Not really good with the incognito thing here.

02:42:38.000 And in the back they had flak jackets that they had kind of wallpapered it with so that they had reinforced bulletproof armor.

02:42:48.000 And more guns of every...

02:42:50.000 Shotguns and machine guns.

02:42:51.000 So it was like the Punisher's war wagon.

02:42:53.000 The cops show up. 0.98

02:42:54.000 With their six shooters, by the way, because that's what they were carrying in Miami in 1979, and they flipped the fuck out.

02:43:02.000 And there was a- every time someone saw a Ford Econoline van, like, on the streets, people were calling 911, the cops wouldn't show- like, they didn't know what the hell to do, because they knew that the fear was, you're gonna pull one of these over, the back's gonna open up, and they're just gonna empty,

02:43:17.000 empty on you.

02:43:18.000 And before you can even grab your pop-pop-pop gun, And that was when they started to put together the CENTAC 26. There you go.

02:43:26.000 There's the back of it right there.

02:43:27.000 And they put together this...

02:43:29.000 CENTAC was a central tactical unit that was made up of multiple local and federal agencies that would work together.

02:43:37.000 This history of which traces back to the Untouchables. 0.99

02:43:39.000 Because that was like, we're going to take the best of the local guys and the best of the federal guys and put them together towards a kind of common, very specific, goal-oriented mission and end.

02:43:49.000 And so you had these guys who got together, because originally they were called the, it's in Reloaded, the Special Homicide Investigative Team. 0.73

02:43:58.000 Or as they call themselves, the Shit Squad.

02:44:00.000 Special Homicide Investigative Team. 0.99

02:44:02.000 And they had to deal with all the Wando's that were turning up. 1.00

02:44:04.000 Because they'd get an, oh, uh...

02:44:07.000 Unidentified Hispanic male, automatic bullet fire.

02:44:11.000 25% of the bodies in the morgue in that time, in Miami, had wounds from automatic weapons.

02:44:18.000 I had a friend who was doing his residency.

02:44:20.000 He's a doctor, and he did his residency in Miami.

02:44:23.000 Dude, that was the best place to do it.

02:44:24.000 Oh my god. 1.00

02:44:25.000 He told me some shit and showed me some shit when we were growing up. 1.00

02:44:29.000 He's older than me. 1.00

02:44:31.000 And when he was showing us these images that he had saved from guys with light bulbs up their asses. 0.94

02:44:39.000 If you were in the trauma industry, the medical business, the law enforcement business, the homicide business, the journalism business, Miami was the place to be. 0.98

02:44:46.000 Oh, it was craziness.

02:44:48.000 I know a guy who was a trauma doctor at Jackson Memorial Hospital.

02:44:52.000 That's our one major trauma center where you get airlifted to Jackson.

02:44:58.000 That's where you go.

02:44:59.000 So he was working one night, and this was after the Mariel boatlift.

02:45:03.000 Think Scarface.

02:45:04.000 You had all of these hardened criminals.

02:45:07.000 Ejected from QB. The rate of rape on Miami Beach quadrupled in months.

02:45:12.000 I mean, they were raping little old Jewish ladies, Holocaust survivors, who made it out of Germany but could not survive the Mariel boatlift in Miami. 1.00

02:45:18.000 And they all went to Miami Beach because it was a slum and because it reminded them of Havana. 0.97

02:45:23.000 It looked like Cuba.

02:45:24.000 Miami Beach, like the sea wall and everything.

02:45:25.000 It looks like Cuba.

02:45:26.000 So... 1.00

02:45:28.000 And they would just kill you for nothing. 0.94

02:45:30.000 They'd be like, I like your bicycle. 0.96

02:45:31.000 Give me your bicycle.

02:45:32.000 No.

02:45:32.000 Boom.

02:45:33.000 And then leave the bike. 1.00

02:45:35.000 Just crazy, homicidal lunatics. 0.99

02:45:40.000 One day, a Marielito comes in with a gunshot wound. 0.99

02:45:44.000 And the doctor says to him, In Spanish, he said, you're a very lucky man.

02:45:49.000 Had the bullet struck you a centimeter or so over here, you would have bled out and died on the scene in minutes, if not seconds.

02:45:58.000 The guy gets discharged, leaves the hospital.

02:46:00.000 Within days, he gets another Mariel gunshot victim with a wound in exactly the same spot he told the other guy about.

02:46:08.000 And that guy died.

02:46:10.000 And his belief always was, he never could prove it, but that the guy he had told basically where to shoot the other guy, that this was a retribution shooting for the other guy who had been shot.

02:46:19.000 But that was just par for the course in Miami.

02:46:22.000 The girl who cuts my hair, a lady who cuts my hair, you know how you get your hair cut, you say goodbye, you put the tip in the pocket, so she would go home at night in the 80s and she'd turn her pockets inside out to get all the folded bills and this and that. 0.99

02:46:34.000 One day she finds a little baggie With white powder in it.

02:46:38.000 That one of the ladies just say, kissed her goodbye and slipped it in her pocket as a tip. 1.00

02:46:42.000 And she said, I was so naive.

02:46:44.000 I said to my friend, what the hell is this?

02:46:46.000 And she said, what it is is worth more than the tip that you would have gotten from the same ladies.

02:46:53.000 Wow. 0.99

02:46:53.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99

02:46:54.000 That's our Emmy. 0.96

02:46:56.000 That's our Emmy.

02:46:57.000 Keep it.

02:46:58.000 You can keep that place.

02:46:59.000 And you can keep your Los Angeles.

02:47:02.000 You can have it. 0.99

02:47:02.000 I visit and I get the fuck out as soon as I can. 0.99

02:47:05.000 Billy, thank you very much, man. 0.94

02:47:06.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:47:07.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:47:08.000 Anytime.

02:47:08.000 Thank you.

02:47:09.000 And the documentary Dogfighting, D-A-W-G, comes out.

02:47:12.000 Dashfight.com coming March 12th.

02:47:14.000 March 12th and Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2. Don't listen to him.

02:47:17.000 2 is good.

02:47:18.000 It's very good.

02:47:19.000 Don't apologize for that anymore.

02:47:20.000 It's now streaming on Netflix.

02:47:21.000 It's excellent.

02:47:22.000 Thank you.

02:47:22.000 It's one of the best documentaries ever that captures the madness of cocaine, really.

02:47:28.000 I mean, and violence and the drug war.

02:47:32.000 I mean, it's just an amazing documentary.

02:47:33.000 Thank you very much.

02:47:34.000 Billy Corbin, ladies and gentlemen.

02:47:36.000 We'll see you next week.

02:47:37.000 Good night, everybody.

02:47:37.000 Much love.

02:47:56.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 11, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #612 - Billy Corben

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