The Joe Rogan Experience - March 21, 2015


Joe Rogan Experience #628 - Garry Tonon & Eddie Bravo

Topics
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Hosted by
Joe Rogan
Guests
Garry Tonon Eddie Bravo
Mentioned
Gary Tonin Jamie Vernon Full Muay Thai Eddie Cummins Dude Metamorris Marcelo Garcia Jiu Jitsu Alan Belcher Kit Dale John Donaher Eddie Bravo Hellraiser Kimura Trinidad James Nathan Orchard Frank Savannah Michael Jordan Scotty Nelson Steve Maxwell and 130 more
Joe Rogan Experience #626 - Trevor Moore Joe Rogan Experience #630 - Duncan Trussell

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Length

2 hours and 59 minutes

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206.43

Word count

37,071

Sentence count

4,259

Harmful content

Misogyny

110

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Toxicity

1,031

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Hate speech

115

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This is an old fight that was supposed to be a pro wrestling match, but it turned into a full on MMA match. This is a fight you don't want to miss! Eddie's brother, Eddie Bravo, joins us to talk about it and we talk about how crazy it is. We also talk about the fact that Eddie almost got knocked out of the fight and how the referee couldn't tell if it was fake or not. It's a crazy fight and it's a good one. We hope you enjoy this fight and that it doesn't suck as bad as it does for Eddie and Eddie's chances of getting back in the ring with Rikido-zan in the future. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and we'll read out your comments and thoughts on the next episode. Thank you so much for listening and supporting the podcast. Love ya! -Eddie & the crew. XOXO, EJ & the boys. -P.S. Thank you for all the support you all have shown so far. We really appreciate all the love, support, support and support, and stay tuned for the rest of the episodes. We'll see you next week! XO. -The boys. Love ya. -Eugene & the Crew. -Jon & the guys. Jon & The Crew. CHEERS! -Jon and the Crew -Sue and the crew at The Jerks. Cheers! -Bobby & the Jerks! - EJ and the boys! -A.A. . . -Jon, E. & the team. -J. & Co. -D. & Jon & the gang. -BJ. -RJ. and the guys at The Underground Project. -S. & J.J.Y. & R.E. & D.B. & EJ. ( ) . Jon and the rest. -AJ.& R. & A.J.. -B.& D. -M. & B. & JB. -C. & C.A.. & E.M. - B. & S. & K. & M. & P. & T. & G.J -JG. -PJ. . .E.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:02.000 This is a very special podcast, a very special Saturday afternoon podcast.
00:00:06.000 We're watching an old fight from 1954 that's supposed to be a pro wrestling match with Gary Tonin, one of the best jiu-jitsu artists in America today, one of the hot young fucking killers of grappling, and of course my brother Eddie Bravo.
00:00:20.000 Yo. 0.92
00:00:20.000 Yo, holla. 0.92
00:00:21.000 And we're watching this video that we found, all of us found this on the underground.
00:00:25.000 Someone posted it.
00:00:26.000 I'll have to give the dude props.
00:00:27.000 I forget his name.
00:00:29.000 But it's...
00:00:30.000 Kimura, the guy who the shoulder lock that Kimura was named after because he used it on Elio Gracie back in the...
00:00:38.000 What was that?
00:00:38.000 Like the 40s or something like that?
00:00:40.000 Man.
00:00:41.000 I don't know.
00:00:42.000 It could be the 20s.
00:00:43.000 I don't know when that was.
00:00:43.000 I wouldn't know.
00:00:44.000 Well, this is...
00:00:44.000 You told me 1962, I wouldn't know.
00:00:47.000 It was a long-ass time ago.
00:00:49.000 Black and white era.
00:00:50.000 Point being, he was...
00:00:53.000 He did some pro wrestling.
00:00:55.000 And he did a pro wrestling match with this guy...
00:00:58.000 I think I'm saying this right.
00:01:00.000 Rikido-zan.
00:01:02.000 Rikido-zan.
00:01:03.000 I hope I'm saying that right.
00:01:04.000 I'm just reading it.
00:01:05.000 I never heard anybody say it.
00:01:06.000 That's a big Japanese dude.
00:01:07.000 He's huge!
00:01:08.000 He's huge!
00:01:09.000 And this match starts out like this.
00:01:12.000 Starts out a pro wrestling match where they're like, you know, they're like doing a bunch of stuff.
00:01:17.000 They're kind of allowing each other to push each other around.
00:01:20.000 And they're somewhere in the match.
00:01:23.000 It becomes like a war. 0.99
00:01:26.000 And the big dude, right there, the kick to the balls. 0.99
00:01:29.000 Look at this. 0.99
00:01:30.000 Boom.
00:01:30.000 Right hand.
00:01:31.000 And this just turns into a fight.
00:01:33.000 This is 100% a fight now.
00:01:35.000 Oh, yeah.
00:01:35.000 He's looking around panicking.
00:01:37.000 He's like, what the fuck's going on? 0.99
00:01:38.000 He's panicking. 0.99
00:01:39.000 He tries to clinch.
00:01:40.000 And this is real now.
00:01:41.000 This is a real single. 1.00
00:01:42.000 Like, he's fucked up. 1.00
00:01:43.000 Look. 1.00
00:01:44.000 The referee says, don't do that.
00:01:45.000 And boom, he punches him in the face.
00:01:47.000 He's poking him in the eyes. 0.98
00:01:48.000 He kicks him. 1.00
00:01:49.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:01:50.000 He kicks him again. 1.00
00:01:50.000 Wait for this, though. 1.00
00:01:51.000 This gets even crazier.
00:01:52.000 Look at this.
00:01:53.000 Open hand slaps.
00:01:54.000 He soccer kicks him, man. 0.73
00:01:55.000 He headlocks him. 0.79
00:01:57.000 Boom. 1.00
00:01:57.000 Look at this shit. 1.00
00:01:58.000 This is totally real now. 1.00
00:02:00.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:02:02.000 I mean, he's fucked up right now. 1.00
00:02:03.000 And this dude is still beating his ass. 1.00
00:02:05.000 Oh, my God. 1.00
00:02:07.000 Oh, my God.
00:02:08.000 Referee doesn't know if it's fake or not, I guess.
00:02:10.000 I don't know.
00:02:11.000 I mean, check this out.
00:02:13.000 Here's the finishing combo. 0.99
00:02:14.000 The referee looks at his eyes.
00:02:15.000 You're fine.
00:02:15.000 Back in!
00:02:16.000 Oh, shit! 1.00
00:02:18.000 Oh yeah, he's great. 1.00
00:02:19.000 I think the ref's afraid he'll kick his ass, too. 1.00
00:02:20.000 Walk in the park. 1.00
00:02:21.000 And look at that left hand that he dropped him with.
00:02:24.000 100% legit.
00:02:25.000 100% legit.
00:02:27.000 Back that up just a little bit, Jamie, to that last combination.
00:02:30.000 Right about there. 0.99
00:02:31.000 I mean, you don't fake shit like this. 0.99
00:02:34.000 Like, when he stood up, Well, it was a little bit before this, Jamie, that he soccer kicked him. 0.99
00:02:39.000 Go a little bit before this.
00:02:41.000 Yeah, when he was against the ropes.
00:02:43.000 Right there, Jamie.
00:02:43.000 That's good.
00:02:44.000 See, this is when the dude is desperately scrambling, trying to take him to the ground.
00:02:49.000 And Rakito's on.
00:02:50.000 Again, I hope I'm saying that right. 1.00
00:02:52.000 He's beating that ass. 1.00
00:02:54.000 And he's mostly doing open hands, but he's kicking him, too. 1.00
00:02:57.000 And then he kicks him again.
00:02:58.000 Boom! 1.00
00:02:59.000 And the bitch slap right to the ear. 1.00
00:03:01.000 Did you see? 1.00
00:03:02.000 Kimura walked to the ref and looked at him and said, dude, what the fuck is going on here? 0.99
00:03:06.000 Look at that. 0.99
00:03:07.000 Boom! 0.99
00:03:07.000 I mean, that is... 0.99
00:03:08.000 You cannot fake head kicks like that.
00:03:10.000 That's 100% legit. 0.99
00:03:12.000 This guy is getting the fuck beat out of him. 0.99
00:03:15.000 It's crazy, man. 0.98
00:03:17.000 I mean, he gets up. 1.00
00:03:18.000 He's already, like, really badly fucked up. 0.98
00:03:21.000 The referee checks his eye. 0.98
00:03:22.000 Like, dude, don't worry about your eye.
00:03:26.000 Dude, there's a good chance that that knockout was just him like, I don't know how to end this. 0.99
00:03:31.000 Let me just drop to the fucking floor and pretend like I can't breathe. 0.99
00:03:34.000 Maybe, right? 1.00
00:03:36.000 That last left hand holding onto the ropes.
00:03:39.000 It worked! 1.00
00:03:41.000 He got fucked up, man. 1.00
00:03:42.000 It's so crazy. 1.00
00:03:43.000 I've never seen anything like that before.
00:03:45.000 Just stay down, dude.
00:03:45.000 Stay down.
00:03:47.000 Where it starts out just a pro wrestling match and turns into full-on Vale Tudo.
00:03:51.000 See, this is so cool. 0.80
00:03:53.000 We were talking about this before the podcast started, that it's so cool that shit like this exists, and we can watch some, like, historical moments in martial arts. 0.85
00:04:02.000 This is a historical moment. 0.95
00:04:04.000 Wow.
00:04:05.000 I wonder what the aftermath was.
00:04:07.000 Did he want a rematch or something?
00:04:09.000 No, he got murdered.
00:04:11.000 Who got murdered?
00:04:11.000 The big guy.
00:04:13.000 Because of this?
00:04:14.000 Probably, huh?
00:04:14.000 That's the story that, you know, that's the legend.
00:04:17.000 How much of it is true, who knows?
00:04:18.000 You know what?
00:04:19.000 I would lean to believe that. 1.00
00:04:22.000 Because that guy got his ass thoroughly kicked. 1.00
00:04:24.000 He got double-crossed. 1.00
00:04:27.000 On TV, and he could have died.
00:04:30.000 Yeah, yeah, he could have died.
00:04:32.000 He was getting soccer kicked hard. 1.00
00:04:34.000 I can definitely see Kimura having some deep connections with the Yakuza, and they said, we gotta kill this motherfucker. 1.00
00:04:39.000 That said, no rematch, no grappling match, no submission only, no metamoras, kill this motherfucker. 1.00
00:04:46.000 Or just hit himself, killing him. 1.00
00:04:47.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:04:49.000 Just kill him quick! 1.00
00:04:51.000 Murder him! 1.00
00:04:52.000 Make it ugly! 1.00
00:04:53.000 The dude who put the video up is Ian Paisley is my hero.
00:04:57.000 That's his name on the underground.
00:05:00.000 So thanks to that dude. 0.97
00:05:01.000 That was one of the most brutal ass kickings ever, of all time, caught on video. 0.84
00:05:06.000 And there's another dude who posted something. 0.99
00:05:08.000 His name is P-O-L-O-N-I-S-T-A. Polonista, I guess you would say it. 0.84
00:05:14.000 And he wrote a whole breakdown of what happened.
00:05:17.000 And apparently this Rakita Zahn guy... 1.00
00:05:19.000 You know, Kimura was saying that Rakitozan, that he got taken for greed and the money and the fame, he lost his mind and just started beating the fuck out of the dude.
00:05:29.000 And so, apparently, they stabbed him with a urine-soaked knife.
00:05:35.000 That's what the story is.
00:05:37.000 This is so crazy.
00:05:38.000 The story is- What does that do?
00:05:39.000 What is piss to you?
00:05:39.000 I thought you were supposed to drink it.
00:05:41.000 We ran out of the poison tip.
00:05:42.000 Maybe only your own. 1.00
00:05:45.000 Yeah, if someone else's piss gets inside you, you're fucked. 1.00
00:05:48.000 It could be. 0.99
00:05:48.000 Well, you know they do those poop things where they take poop and they transmit fecal matter, they transplant it to someone's intestinal tract and apparently it's supposed to be good for your body to get that bacteria, like somebody else's bacteria in your body through a fecal transplant. 0.99
00:06:05.000 Makes sense.
00:06:06.000 Kind of, but not really, right?
00:06:08.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:06:09.000 You wouldn't want to think that the health of your- You think I'm joking!
00:06:12.000 You think I'm joking, you do! 1.00
00:06:14.000 There's no waiting list for that shit. 1.00
00:06:16.000 Kidneys, yes! 1.00
00:06:17.000 Kidneys, yes! 0.84
00:06:18.000 You wait two years for kidney! 1.00
00:06:20.000 Liver, shit! 1.00
00:06:21.000 Dude, you better be white! 1.00
00:06:23.000 That's so true!
00:06:24.000 You know what I mean?
00:06:24.000 That's so true!
00:06:27.000 Everybody give it to you. 1.00
00:06:28.000 You got fresh shit. 1.00
00:06:30.000 You'd be at the operating table and they got fresh shit. 1.00
00:06:34.000 Yeah, the doctors just shit right in there. 1.00
00:06:36.000 Grade A. Doctor shit. 1.00
00:06:38.000 They don't even need to go anywhere. 1.00
00:06:39.000 You get like vegan shit is the best, right? 1.00
00:06:42.000 No added hormones. 1.00
00:06:43.000 No added hormones.
00:06:44.000 But you're tired all the time.
00:06:45.000 You need naps. 1.00
00:06:48.000 You guys gave me some bum shit. 1.00
00:06:51.000 Vegan shit will kill you. 1.00
00:06:53.000 Just doesn't have the right amino acid chains. 1.00
00:06:57.000 So this guy Rakito's on, if you watch that, that might be one of the first ever double crosses that's on video.
00:07:06.000 I don't think there's anything like that on World Star Hip Hop even.
00:07:13.000 Seriously, think about that.
00:07:14.000 Ah, it's so true.
00:07:15.000 It's so clear.
00:07:16.000 Even though it's black and white and a hundred years ago, you see the strikes clearly and there's lights.
00:07:22.000 That's what one of the guys...
00:07:23.000 You need to turn that into a new Thug Life video.
00:07:24.000 Yeah, that's it.
00:07:25.000 Oh, someone's definitely going to.
00:07:27.000 Oh, yeah.
00:07:28.000 Sunglasses will drop down when he goes on when they got his hands up in the air.
00:07:32.000 For real, man.
00:07:33.000 Yeah, that's a ruthless, ruthless beatdown. 0.99
00:07:36.000 Not quite as ruthless as that Suge Knight fucking thing. 1.00
00:07:40.000 Holy shit. 1.00
00:07:41.000 Oh, that was horrible. 1.00
00:07:41.000 Fuck! 1.00
00:07:42.000 That's horrible, man. 1.00
00:07:44.000 People kept telling me about it, and I just didn't get to it. 1.00
00:07:49.000 And then finally someone said, dude, sit down, watch this shit. 1.00
00:07:52.000 I go, okay, okay. 1.00
00:07:54.000 It's brutal.
00:07:55.000 Dude, we watched it on the air.
00:07:56.000 Yeah, we watched it live.
00:07:58.000 Like, not live, but the first time I saw it, and it was unbelievable.
00:08:02.000 It's hard to imagine that someone could do that.
00:08:05.000 Just ran those dudes over.
00:08:07.000 He's saying that now that the video's out, now people are going to see the truth that it was self-defense.
00:08:14.000 Whoa.
00:08:15.000 That's what he said. 1.00
00:08:16.000 Oh my God, he's crazy. 0.99
00:08:17.000 That's what he said. 0.97
00:08:18.000 He said one guy was coming after him with a gun, that's why.
00:08:20.000 So he had to run him over because of the gun.
00:08:22.000 Well, it seems like there was a gun in that video.
00:08:25.000 I mean, or something that the guy took out and put in the gun spot behind your lower back.
00:08:30.000 I mean, does somebody ever do that with a chrome?
00:08:32.000 Like, man, dude got ran over, let me get his comb.
00:08:35.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:08:36.000 And stick it in the crack of your butt. 1.00
00:08:38.000 No, you only put guns back there. 1.00
00:08:41.000 When a guy does that and he sticks something behind their back, it's owning a gun.
00:08:44.000 It's never a cell phone.
00:08:45.000 It's never anything else. 1.00
00:08:47.000 It's a fucking gun. 1.00
00:08:48.000 That's it. 1.00
00:08:49.000 It's a gun.
00:08:49.000 Nobody puts anything back there but a gun.
00:08:52.000 What the fuck else do you hold behind your ass cheeks? 1.00
00:08:55.000 Between your ass cheeks and your pants? 1.00
00:08:57.000 Jujutsu belts when I give promotions, I hide it behind my butt and I just show up. 1.00
00:09:01.000 That's true, you do, you do. 0.96
00:09:02.000 That's the only thing.
00:09:03.000 I was gonna promote them, your honor.
00:09:08.000 He's been training four years straight.
00:09:10.000 Three times a week, Your Honor.
00:09:12.000 Three times a half.
00:09:13.000 The documents here was three times a week for two years. 0.99
00:09:16.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
00:09:16.000 He was due for his brown belt. 0.99
00:09:18.000 Yeah.
00:09:19.000 Well, he ran over the brown belt, too, then.
00:09:22.000 He ran over that dude.
00:09:24.000 He ran over that dude.
00:09:25.000 And that dude apparently lived.
00:09:27.000 The second guy died.
00:09:29.000 The second guy ran over his head.
00:09:30.000 Yes.
00:09:31.000 The guy that went flying off screen?
00:09:33.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:09:34.000 Fuck. 1.00
00:09:35.000 Fuck, man. 1.00
00:09:35.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:09:36.000 I mean, the story's about that.
00:09:40.000 Those are gonna go on for eternity. 0.93
00:09:42.000 The rap world, holy shit, if you're in that rap music world, the more famous you get, it's like in China, the more famous you get in China, the triads take over, you know what I mean? 0.96
00:09:52.000 They're like, you gotta pay us, son. 1.00
00:09:53.000 We're responsible for this shit. 1.00
00:09:55.000 We own the movie houses or whatever. 1.00
00:09:58.000 And in the rap world, look at the T.I. He's always walking around with a gun.
00:10:02.000 He went to jail.
00:10:04.000 People are killing each other.
00:10:06.000 Can't get too big, man.
00:10:07.000 It's so crazy how much the rap world is attached to organized crime or crime or violence.
00:10:14.000 And it's okay because we accepted N.W.A. N.W.A. was not real.
00:10:19.000 It was like Slayer pretending they were satanic.
00:10:23.000 N.W.A. dudes pretending to be ruthless gangsters. 0.65
00:10:26.000 And that album, you can't even do an album like that now. 0.74
00:10:29.000 They rape a 14-year-old preacher's daughter in the drive-in in one of the songs.
00:10:35.000 They're pulling a train on her and they're singing about it. 0.86
00:10:39.000 It's a song about that. 1.00
00:10:40.000 And then a song about killing hookers. 1.00
00:10:43.000 One less bitch I gotta worry about. 1.00
00:10:45.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:10:46.000 They have like little acting scenes in between every song.
00:10:48.000 There's a scene where they pull up next to a hooker and she goes, hey, what do you want to do? 1.00
00:10:53.000 What do you want to do? 0.90
00:10:53.000 Come in and go, oh, what do you want? 0.90
00:10:55.000 And he goes, let me go!
00:10:56.000 Let me go! 1.00
00:10:57.000 Shut up! 1.00
00:10:57.000 Shoot that bitch! 1.00
00:10:58.000 Shoot that bitch! 1.00
00:10:58.000 Let me go! 1.00
00:10:59.000 Let me go! 1.00
00:11:00.000 Shoot that bitch! 1.00
00:11:00.000 That's before One Less Bitch. 1.00
00:11:02.000 Yeah. 0.97
00:11:03.000 Yeah.
00:11:03.000 You know what I mean?
00:11:04.000 That's okay. 1.00
00:11:05.000 So we accepted all that shit. 1.00
00:11:06.000 Not just accepted, they sold it. 1.00
00:11:08.000 Yeah.
00:11:09.000 And it was huge.
00:11:10.000 Huge.
00:11:10.000 And none of it was true.
00:11:12.000 It was just a made-up story.
00:11:13.000 It was like The Exorcist.
00:11:15.000 It's like the director and the writer, they're not satanic.
00:11:18.000 Do you think that doing that, though, just opened the door to real thugs?
00:11:23.000 Like how many real thugs...
00:11:24.000 Have you seen Trinidad James?
00:11:27.000 You know who that is?
00:11:27.000 No.
00:11:28.000 Dude, pull up Trinidad James, all gold, everything. 0.95
00:11:31.000 You tell me if this character is real or not, but this is...
00:11:34.000 It's the craziest thing ever.
00:11:37.000 Trinidad James.
00:11:39.000 Jamie's smiling.
00:11:41.000 It's incredible.
00:11:42.000 He's going to be your new favorite rapper.
00:11:44.000 Okay.
00:11:44.000 The name of the song is All Gold Everything.
00:11:49.000 He's going to take over Nas for me?
00:11:51.000 Come on, son.
00:11:53.000 Nas has got my sweet spot.
00:11:56.000 Anyways.
00:11:57.000 What's that?
00:11:59.000 You gotta cleverly play this.
00:12:00.000 Why?
00:12:00.000 So we don't get yanked off the air.
00:12:03.000 Okay.
00:12:04.000 Well, just don't show the video at all.
00:12:06.000 Just show all of our faces.
00:12:07.000 Just go back and forth on the faces.
00:12:09.000 Without the video?
00:12:12.000 Well, we'll watch the video.
00:12:13.000 We'll watch the video.
00:12:14.000 We'll watch the video.
00:12:16.000 All Gold Everything.
00:12:18.000 Oh, this is the explicit version.
00:12:20.000 Let me check this out.
00:12:21.000 Barbecuing.
00:12:23.000 They have guns right away.
00:12:25.000 Oh my goodness.
00:12:26.000 That's Trinidad. 0.99
00:12:28.000 I love this guy.
00:12:29.000 I love his nails.
00:12:31.000 Look how long his nails are. 0.99
00:12:32.000 That guy ain't picking up shit. 0.99
00:12:36.000 Gold all in my watch. 0.99
00:12:37.000 Look at his nails.
00:12:38.000 He's got French tips on his nails.
00:12:41.000 He does.
00:12:47.000 Wow.
00:12:50.000 Look at all that cash.
00:12:51.000 That's a lot of money.
00:12:53.000 This is like something in your act, you know what I mean?
00:12:55.000 Yeah, it is.
00:12:56.000 You need to start making videos like this to get more street cred in the jiu-jitsu world.
00:13:00.000 Is this the real dude, you think?
00:13:02.000 That's my question.
00:13:02.000 Is this guy for real?
00:13:09.000 That Bobby Shmurda and his crew, they all got arrested for this stuff.
00:13:13.000 He's got a little puppy.
00:13:14.000 He's got a puppy this whole time.
00:13:15.000 There's this whole crew with Bobby Shmurda and the murder game.
00:13:17.000 Puppy swag.
00:13:18.000 That evens out all the gold.
00:13:20.000 Jamie, what are you saying?
00:13:21.000 They have federal gun charges on them for what they're talking about in their songs.
00:13:23.000 They went and looked at it.
00:13:25.000 Oh, that's these guys?
00:13:26.000 Not these guys, but there are people like this.
00:13:28.000 Not in the same crew or anything like that.
00:13:30.000 That's just another famous rapper.
00:13:32.000 But not these guys?
00:13:33.000 No, no, no.
00:13:33.000 Oh, okay.
00:13:34.000 Yeah, I had heard that recently some guy is in jail, some guy from San Diego, he's like a rapper and he's flashing like gang signs.
00:13:42.000 He's had no criminal history at all.
00:13:44.000 That's a different thing too.
00:13:44.000 That's a different thing too?
00:13:47.000 Well, that's a wonderful video.
00:13:49.000 I like his style.
00:13:51.000 I like his Teefus.
00:13:52.000 And he's got the puppy.
00:13:53.000 That's the best thing. 0.99
00:13:54.000 All that shit, but he's got the cutest thing. 1.00
00:13:56.000 It's a pit bull puppy, though. 1.00
00:13:57.000 Yeah, it's to balance out all the gold.
00:14:00.000 Have you seen that white kid with tattoos on his face?
00:14:02.000 He calls himself Stitches.
00:14:04.000 No.
00:14:05.000 Oh, I'm going to find you your new favorite song.
00:14:07.000 Okay.
00:14:08.000 That sounds good.
00:14:09.000 I already love it.
00:14:10.000 Here's your new favorite song.
00:14:11.000 This is Brick in Your Face. 1.00
00:14:13.000 This is my favorite stupid song. 1.00
00:14:15.000 Brick in Your Face. 1.00
00:14:15.000 Look, it's got five million hits. 1.00
00:14:17.000 America is in trouble, okay?
00:14:20.000 He's an 18-year-old rapper from Miami.
00:14:23.000 And his name is Stitches.
00:14:25.000 Well, he's got a tattoo on his face of stitches across his mouth.
00:14:28.000 Like the Joker. 0.95
00:14:29.000 Is he white or black? 1.00
00:14:30.000 White as fuck. 1.00
00:14:31.000 He's a white guy. 1.00
00:14:32.000 Yeah, man.
00:14:33.000 Okay, white people representing.
00:14:35.000 It's 2015. He's got a dope car. 0.94
00:14:38.000 I'll put that brick in your face. 0.99
00:14:42.000 I love this dude. 0.98
00:14:44.000 Oh my god. 1.00
00:14:46.000 Holy shit. 1.00
00:14:46.000 He's got an AK-47 tattooed on his face. 1.00
00:14:51.000 I'll put that brick in your face. 0.99
00:14:53.000 Now what you gonna do with it? 0.98
00:14:58.000 This is Florida.
00:15:00.000 That's what this is.
00:15:01.000 This is my new favorite rapper.
00:15:03.000 I told you.
00:15:04.000 He's better than Trinidad Jam. 1.00
00:15:05.000 I told you.
00:15:06.000 There's no puppies sweetened in this one.
00:15:08.000 Yeah.
00:15:08.000 He's got all platinum teeth or gold.
00:15:11.000 It's hard to tell the video.
00:15:12.000 He had assault rifles.
00:15:13.000 Yeah.
00:15:14.000 He had a machine gun and an assault rifle like this.
00:15:17.000 Exactly.
00:15:18.000 He needs a tank.
00:15:22.000 Tank and Wolverines.
00:15:23.000 I love selling blow.
00:15:31.000 He's a Hellraiser.
00:15:33.000 I love smelling blow.
00:15:34.000 Selling.
00:15:35.000 Oh.
00:15:36.000 I love selling blow.
00:15:38.000 He's running around with guns.
00:15:41.000 And spreading cocaine all over the house.
00:15:43.000 Not only is he saying, I love selling blow, but it's flashing.
00:15:46.000 The words.
00:15:47.000 Yeah, it's flashing.
00:15:49.000 That was important.
00:15:51.000 We have to make sure that the audience understands that.
00:15:53.000 I don't think it's clear enough.
00:15:54.000 I think there was arguments about it.
00:15:56.000 You know what he's doing, man?
00:15:57.000 He's like, okay, everybody thinks they're crazy.
00:15:59.000 Watch this.
00:16:01.000 Watch this. 1.00
00:16:01.000 You think you fucking topped the crazy Olympics, motherfucker? 1.00
00:16:05.000 I'm gonna tattoo guns on my face and stitches. 1.00
00:16:07.000 I'm only 18, and I'm just gonna say it. 0.98
00:16:10.000 I love selling blow.
00:16:12.000 That's what I'm gonna say it.
00:16:12.000 I'm gonna print it across the screen.
00:16:14.000 I'm gonna have a gun in every scene.
00:16:18.000 Wow.
00:16:19.000 Wow.
00:16:24.000 He doesn't even have any white friends.
00:16:26.000 What's up with that? 1.00
00:16:27.000 He's racist. 0.97
00:16:29.000 No, you're better off. 0.99
00:16:30.000 This is the way to go.
00:16:31.000 There's more white guys in this video.
00:16:32.000 He's the only white guy. 1.00
00:16:33.000 White guys are lame. 1.00
00:16:34.000 They're getting away. 1.00
00:16:36.000 I can't even spot one white guy.
00:16:38.000 Except for him. 1.00
00:16:40.000 He probably hates white people. 0.99
00:16:44.000 Now what you gonna do with it? 0.99
00:16:45.000 That's what you're gonna be saying.
00:16:46.000 It's gonna be all day.
00:16:47.000 It's gonna be in your head.
00:16:48.000 Now what you gonna do with it?
00:16:50.000 Now what you gonna do with it?
00:16:51.000 It's gonna be my new tagline after I submit people.
00:16:54.000 Yeah, now what you gonna do with it?
00:16:56.000 That's rude, Gary Tonin.
00:16:58.000 How dare you? 0.98
00:16:59.000 First you win, and then you stick it in your face. 0.99
00:17:00.000 The only other white guy was the Hellraiser guy. 0.97
00:17:03.000 You know what I mean?
00:17:04.000 I think that was him.
00:17:05.000 I think that was him with a mask on.
00:17:06.000 Really?
00:17:06.000 I think that was supposed to be him.
00:17:07.000 Oh, okay.
00:17:08.000 I'm just my interpretation of the art.
00:17:10.000 I think he should have stayed 100% black. 1.00
00:17:14.000 Hellraiser kind of brought it back to white people, because black people don't like Hellraiser. 0.59
00:17:17.000 It should have been Spawn or something, you know?
00:17:19.000 That's a very good point, because Hellraiser was a white guy in the movie. 0.98
00:17:23.000 And black people hate scary movies. 0.96
00:17:27.000 Generally speaking, I'm sure. 0.99
00:17:29.000 Dude, I know a black guy who loves scary movies.
00:17:31.000 Generally.
00:17:32.000 Yeah, as all stereotypical things are, generalizations about a race of people.
00:17:39.000 That's a generalization!
00:17:41.000 By nature.
00:17:43.000 You gotta be able to generalize.
00:17:44.000 You gotta be able to generalize.
00:17:46.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:17:47.000 Because if you can't generalize, then you can't make any fucking points. 0.98
00:17:50.000 That's so true. 0.98
00:17:51.000 You know what I mean?
00:17:51.000 You can't make any points.
00:17:52.000 Like, no, I know one guy that doesn't do that.
00:17:54.000 I'm like, yes, I know a guy too, but generally.
00:17:58.000 Jesus Christ.
00:17:59.000 That's one of those things where before you say what you just said, you go, yeah, I know this might sound a little bit racist, but.
00:18:05.000 Yeah, or I'm not racist, but.
00:18:07.000 You ever see that Twitter feed, I'm not racist? 1.00
00:18:09.000 It's all people saying racist shit. 1.00
00:18:11.000 They go, I'm not racist, but... 1.00
00:18:13.000 And then they say some racist shit. 1.00
00:18:15.000 Like what? 1.00
00:18:15.000 What's the most racist? 1.00
00:18:16.000 I'll find one for you. 1.00
00:18:17.000 Can you read some racist shit and not be accused of being racist? 1.00
00:18:20.000 We'll find out. 1.00
00:18:21.000 I don't think so.
00:18:23.000 Definitely not.
00:18:24.000 Because if someone said...
00:18:26.000 If someone was telling a story about some racist white guy who said the N-word to a black guy and then a black guy hit him or something, can you tell that story and use that word?
00:18:35.000 Or do you have to say N-word again when describing the story?
00:18:39.000 It's a tough one, right?
00:18:40.000 Because Howard Stern just says the word when he talks about someone else saying it.
00:18:44.000 Hold on a second.
00:18:44.000 Look at this one right here, Jamie.
00:18:46.000 Stop right there. 1.00
00:18:47.000 I'm not racist, but will not stand to see my country attacked by black whiners that feel sorry for themselves. 1.00
00:18:54.000 Quit breaking the law ass. 1.00
00:18:57.000 Oh, these are real tweets. 1.00
00:18:59.000 Well put.
00:18:59.000 Well put.
00:19:01.000 Well put!
00:19:03.000 He's got a point. 1.00
00:19:05.000 What a fucking moron. 1.00
00:19:08.000 There's a difference between an African-American and a N-word. 1.00
00:19:13.000 Yeah.
00:19:14.000 You're not even saying the word?
00:19:16.000 No, I'm not.
00:19:18.000 I'm Mexican, so I could actually get away with it if I say N-I-G-G-A. But I can't do the other one. 1.00
00:19:24.000 But you can't even say it?
00:19:26.000 You can't not even call on something yet?
00:19:29.000 Not calling a person a nigger, but saying the word. 1.00
00:19:32.000 Like me saying it right now.
00:19:33.000 You're like...
00:19:33.000 You can't say it.
00:19:35.000 How come you can't say it?
00:19:36.000 He just did.
00:19:36.000 It's racist over.
00:19:38.000 No, I think it's racist.
00:19:40.000 They have one word.
00:19:40.000 Call someone in, for sure.
00:19:41.000 They have a word.
00:19:42.000 You know what I mean?
00:19:43.000 They have a word.
00:19:43.000 It's no big deal.
00:19:45.000 If Mexicans got one too, you can't say wetback.
00:19:48.000 Really? 0.98
00:19:48.000 We get pissed off too. 0.98
00:19:48.000 What if you're reading Tom Sawyer to a group of small children? 0.98
00:19:52.000 If a guy called me a wetback, that would be very offensive.
00:19:56.000 That doesn't seem that.
00:19:57.000 It's not quite as strong as the N-word, but it's up there. 0.99
00:20:02.000 It's like bronze medal.
00:20:04.000 You know what I mean?
00:20:05.000 And N is like the gold medal year after year. 0.90
00:20:07.000 Not even being racist, but walking behind black people in the hallways is the last place I ever want to be. 1.00
00:20:13.000 No, no, that's exactly what you're being. 1.00
00:20:15.000 What the fuck? 0.99
00:20:17.000 Not even being racist. 1.00
00:20:22.000 Oh my god. 0.98
00:20:24.000 I literally am not racist at all, but I don't get why a lot of black people feel the need to be ignorant literally all the time. 1.00
00:20:33.000 Wow. 0.99
00:20:35.000 Wow.
00:20:36.000 He's talking about Trinidad James.
00:20:38.000 There's a double.
00:20:39.000 Double, literally, and no period.
00:20:41.000 I'm not feeling that sentence.
00:20:45.000 I'm not racist, but what is it? 1.00
00:20:47.000 Caucasians are evil as hell. 1.00
00:20:50.000 SMH. I got a real issue with SMH. What does that mean again? 1.00
00:20:54.000 Shaking my head. 1.00
00:20:55.000 Damn. 1.00
00:20:56.000 Just stop. 1.00
00:20:58.000 Stop. 1.00
00:20:59.000 Cut the shit. 1.00
00:21:00.000 Especially white people. 1.00
00:21:04.000 Oh my god, look at this one. 1.00
00:21:05.000 I'm not racist, but Justin, please stop hanging with black people. 1.00
00:21:09.000 They're making you too ghetto. 0.99
00:21:11.000 People think you're trying to be black. 0.93
00:21:14.000 Did you hear what Seth Rogen said about Justin Bieber? 0.53
00:21:16.000 No.
00:21:17.000 He said on Howard Stern, he said that he thought he was going to meet Justin.
00:21:21.000 He thought, okay, he's going to actually be a cool guy.
00:21:24.000 Watch.
00:21:24.000 He expected him to be a cool guy, but Seth threw him under the bus and he said he was...
00:21:31.000 I don't know the exact words, just the opposite of cool.
00:21:35.000 Not a nice guy. 0.99
00:21:37.000 A douchebag. 0.99
00:21:37.000 Kinda. 0.99
00:21:38.000 But you know what?
00:21:39.000 I thought about that. 0.99
00:21:41.000 He got so famous so young, and he's really fucking good looking. 0.96
00:21:47.000 He's a guest model now. 0.99
00:21:48.000 He's on Sunset and he's laying with the chick for gas or something like that.
00:21:54.000 The guy's a really good looking guy. 0.78
00:21:56.000 If he wasn't a musician, he would still get mad chicks. 1.00
00:22:01.000 How is a guy like that not going to be a douchebag? 0.99
00:22:03.000 Impossible. 0.99
00:22:04.000 It is tough.
00:22:05.000 He's got to line up against him.
00:22:07.000 Impossible. 1.00
00:22:07.000 Everybody's kissing his ass all fucking day. 1.00
00:22:10.000 He's really good looking. 1.00
00:22:12.000 Rich as hell.
00:22:13.000 He's very talented.
00:22:14.000 I mean, his songs, I would never buy his CDs, but the dude can sing really good.
00:22:17.000 He can play guitar.
00:22:18.000 He shreds on drums.
00:22:19.000 He's been a musician his whole life.
00:22:21.000 He's actually very talented, but there's no way that guy's going to make it through the teens, and now he's 21, 22. But how are you going to get there through all that and not be a douchebag? 0.89
00:22:33.000 It's impossible. 1.00
00:22:34.000 There was a recent scientific study done that proves that assholes get more chicks. 0.99
00:22:39.000 John Danaher just cued us into this one. 1.00
00:22:41.000 I believe it.
00:22:42.000 They did a study.
00:22:43.000 I'm not 100% sure where or when.
00:22:45.000 But they had women analyze photos of different pictures of men doing different facial expressions.
00:22:53.000 And the men with scowls and their chest puffed out. 1.00
00:22:57.000 Essentially what you would look at somebody and be like, oh yeah, that dude's an asshole, like right off your perception. 0.99
00:23:01.000 Those got higher ratings in terms of good looks than the guys that were smiling and looked happy. 1.00
00:23:06.000 So it proves now scientifically that assholes are more chicks. 1.00
00:23:10.000 Yeah, but those studies are all, who are the people that were in those studies? 0.99
00:23:14.000 That would make a huge difference.
00:23:16.000 If it was young people, older people, that would make a huge difference. 0.62
00:23:20.000 Yeah, I haven't done a full analysis of this study yet.
00:23:23.000 I would want to know, right?
00:23:24.000 Whether it's college kids that are young and don't know any better, or whether it's women in their 30s. 0.99
00:23:29.000 I would like to know where the drop-off point is.
00:23:31.000 Would chicks get tired of dudes with their chest sticking out? 1.00
00:23:35.000 You know, that, for whatever reason, might be appealing to an 18-year-old? 0.99
00:23:39.000 I think girls like that in the beginning, and then they end up fucking hating it. 1.00
00:23:44.000 It's the thing that kills them. 0.99
00:23:45.000 You know what I mean? 1.00
00:23:46.000 They were attracted to the barbarian and the fucking wild savage, but then now that they got him, they're like, damn, I wish he wasn't such a fucking savage, because other bitches like that, too. 1.00
00:23:55.000 So then they end up hating that shit, right? 1.00
00:23:57.000 Hmm. 1.00
00:23:57.000 What he could be. 1.00
00:23:58.000 Yeah, but it's okay, because that asshole's just gonna move on to another chick that's totally okay with that. 1.00
00:24:02.000 For a while? 1.00
00:24:03.000 Until it wears off? 1.00
00:24:05.000 That asshole's not looking to settle down with, like, one chick. 1.00
00:24:08.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:24:09.000 You know? 1.00
00:24:10.000 Depends on which asshole. 1.00
00:24:12.000 Well, you know what I think it is? 1.00
00:24:13.000 I think we're still stuck with the echoes of some ancient DNA. I think we still have, for whatever reason, we still have all the instincts that people had back when you had to worry about, like...
00:24:26.000 Marauding hordes coming over the top of the hill with swords and knives. 1.00
00:24:30.000 Like, you had to be kind of an asshole back then. 1.00
00:24:32.000 You know? 1.00
00:24:33.000 And you had to fuck more than one chick because your kids are all gonna get killed by arrows and fucking flying bodies and catapults. 1.00
00:24:39.000 Hey, that's a good point. 1.00
00:24:40.000 It's a very good point.
00:24:41.000 If you're living back then, man, the odds of your DNA spreading...
00:24:45.000 I mean, they used to have fertility rituals where they would hope that people got pregnant.
00:24:49.000 The exact opposite of what we do today. 1.00
00:24:51.000 Today, everybody's like, please get her fucking period. 1.00
00:24:54.000 Please. 1.00
00:24:55.000 And back then, they had rituals.
00:24:58.000 And by the time we were in our 20s, way before we had kids, those people back in the day, like where all our DNA came from, they were on their way out the door.
00:25:07.000 They not only had kids, they were getting old.
00:25:10.000 They were going to be dead by the time they were in their 30s.
00:25:12.000 They'd probably be killed.
00:25:14.000 Or disease or something. 1.00
00:25:15.000 So that crazy, the reason why we're here is because of the same reason why women would like a guy that's aggressive or an asshole because she thinks that guy could protect her. 1.00
00:25:25.000 It's this bizarre fucking trick that nature's played on us. 0.99
00:25:28.000 Thousands of years of evolution, technologically and historically and how much information we have and the way we can communicate with each other still doesn't work. 0.99
00:25:37.000 Still doesn't totally stop that monkey fuck gene that's still deep down in the back, because chicks want some guy who can defend the castle. 1.00
00:25:48.000 Is that true, Gary? 0.99
00:25:49.000 I think so.
00:25:50.000 Studies show!
00:25:51.000 Study proved it, man.
00:25:53.000 Your personal study?
00:25:55.000 Not my case study, no.
00:25:57.000 I wish. 1.00
00:25:58.000 I'm working on becoming more and more of an asshole. 1.00
00:26:01.000 I'm trying to get better at it. 0.99
00:26:03.000 I'm not there yet. 0.99
00:26:04.000 Keep hill-hooking people that have fucking ACL reconstruction. 0.99
00:26:09.000 I'll do my best, you know, man. 1.00
00:26:11.000 I'm chasing that dream because it's clear that they're more successful with women for sure.
00:26:16.000 Danaher's a wizard, that guy.
00:26:18.000 He is such an interesting dude.
00:26:20.000 Such an interesting guy to talk to.
00:26:21.000 Such a smart guy.
00:26:22.000 Yeah, I actually don't train there for the technique at all.
00:26:24.000 It's just for the stories that he tells us.
00:26:27.000 So you were saying before the podcast that Danaher, you went to Danaher's to get a private or something like that at first or to train with them and then he introduced you to his leg lock system.
00:26:39.000 Oh, yeah, I mean, just when we started, when I started training with John, you know, at first it was just on an inconsistent basis, like once a week or so, you know, a lot of MMA fighters come to like a Monday afternoon class, so I was going in there, and that was when I was in college, so I didn't have time to like go over.
00:26:55.000 All the time.
00:26:56.000 But once I started coming there consistently, I got a chance to see the strategy that he teaches.
00:27:03.000 Leg locks aren't his main focus, but I think he's made huge innovations in the leg lock game to the point where when he teaches it, it seems like that's his main thing.
00:27:13.000 It definitely went over our whole leg lock game, me and Eddie Cummings.
00:27:20.000 Both of our leg lock games just stem from that for sure.
00:27:24.000 He's such a smart dude.
00:27:25.000 He's just so on the ball about so many things, about all sorts of different aspects of life.
00:27:30.000 He has a very interesting perspective.
00:27:32.000 Somebody recently asked me what was the best advice I had ever been given.
00:27:35.000 And I continually preach that this is it.
00:27:38.000 And that John always tells us never to get married.
00:27:42.000 But he lists four reasons why you could possibly get married.
00:27:46.000 These are four circumstances, all of which have to exist.
00:27:49.000 Otherwise, marriage just isn't an option.
00:27:52.000 Okay, the first...
00:27:53.000 All at the same time, these four?
00:27:54.000 Yeah, all four.
00:27:55.000 Otherwise, and then the offer's on the table.
00:27:57.000 It's not like you definitely have to get married.
00:27:59.000 It's like, alright, we understand why.
00:28:01.000 So the first is that the woman has to be between the ages of 18 and 25. Okay? 0.87
00:28:07.000 The second is that you have to be over the age of 55. The third is that you have to have no money.
00:28:13.000 And the fourth is that she has to have tons of money. 1.00
00:28:15.000 Otherwise, it's just not even a question.
00:28:17.000 Don't get mad. 1.00
00:28:18.000 Stupid decision. 1.00
00:28:20.000 That's hilarious! 1.00
00:28:21.000 Not even in the wheelhouse.
00:28:22.000 Oh my god, that's funny.
00:28:24.000 That is hilarious.
00:28:25.000 And I think he recently added some innovations to that theory, like the woman has to be an infomaniac or something like that.
00:28:31.000 He keeps making it harder and harder to get married as we go along.
00:28:35.000 I would love to see Donaher debate like an angry woman. 1.00
00:28:40.000 On those points.
00:28:41.000 So he's not married.
00:28:42.000 I'm sure he's done that many, many times.
00:28:43.000 But on those points?
00:28:45.000 So he's not married.
00:28:49.000 I don't see that happening anytime soon.
00:28:52.000 Does he have a girlfriend?
00:28:54.000 What's that?
00:28:54.000 Does he have a girlfriend?
00:28:55.000 Man, we don't know anything about his personal life.
00:28:57.000 Oh, that's too personal.
00:28:59.000 No, no.
00:28:59.000 Honestly, even if I don't, we would never...
00:29:03.000 Would you consider him a player?
00:29:04.000 What's that?
00:29:05.000 Would you consider him a player?
00:29:06.000 I can't answer any questions like that.
00:29:08.000 I don't know, but I'll tell you this. 1.00
00:29:11.000 This motherfucker's kind of associate. 0.99
00:29:12.000 You guys think we're best friends with him because we train with him all the time? 1.00
00:29:15.000 We know nothing about this guy as a human being.
00:29:19.000 Just the little bits and pieces of stories.
00:29:21.000 We never hang out with him, none of that stuff.
00:29:24.000 He's an enigma for sure.
00:29:25.000 What he does once he steps off the mat is he disappears into the ether as far as I'm concerned.
00:29:29.000 I have no clue.
00:29:30.000 He was a philosophy student, right?
00:29:33.000 When he started training in Jiu-Jitsu?
00:29:35.000 Yeah.
00:29:36.000 Gotta get him on the podcast.
00:29:37.000 Super smart guy.
00:29:38.000 Yeah, that would be an insane podcast.
00:29:40.000 Yeah, he'd be great.
00:29:41.000 I would definitely love to have that.
00:29:43.000 Meanwhile, Gary, you're competing tomorrow at the Eddie Bravo Invitational here in LA. And it's at the Orpheum, the Orpheum Theater.
00:29:49.000 Downtown LA, the Orpheum.
00:29:50.000 Amazing, amazing place to have...
00:29:53.000 Starts at four.
00:29:54.000 Doors open at three.
00:29:55.000 The pay-per-view starts at four.
00:29:57.000 It's going to be on budovideos.com slash EBI. Yeah.
00:30:01.000 $14.99.
00:30:02.000 And if you, even if you don't train, if you're thinking about training, you're thinking like, man, maybe I should do something.
00:30:06.000 You watch how fun it is.
00:30:08.000 Watch how exciting it is.
00:30:09.000 I think that the only reason why jujitsu and submission grappling, the way you're doing it on your show, the only reason why that's not on television, is just people aren't, they're not accustomed to it.
00:30:19.000 Like, you're accustomed to having golf on TV. So you sit there and watch golf.
00:30:22.000 Or you're accustomed to having cricket in some parts of the world.
00:30:25.000 Like, try watching cricket.
00:30:26.000 You ever be in England?
00:30:27.000 Yeah.
00:30:28.000 Hit the channel and cricket's on. 1.00
00:30:29.000 You're like, what the fuck? 0.99
00:30:29.000 I've tried watching it a couple of times just to see if I could figure it out by watching it. 0.99
00:30:33.000 And I'm like, nope, I don't know why they keep running that way.
00:30:35.000 John told us some cool history about cricket.
00:30:38.000 There used to be a guy that was known.
00:30:40.000 So at first they were only throwing like, you know, 70 mile an hour pitches.
00:30:44.000 And they started to increase it up to like, you know, in the 90s in the 100 mile an hour pitch range.
00:30:49.000 And in cricket, you're allowed to purposefully throw the ball at the person that's batting.
00:30:54.000 So these guys would just whale people. 0.57
00:30:56.000 Like in the face and they're just known for that. 0.67
00:30:58.000 Became famous for just smashing people in the face.
00:31:00.000 How does that benefit you if you're hitting a...
00:31:02.000 What's that?
00:31:03.000 How does that...
00:31:04.000 How's that good? 0.76
00:31:04.000 I guess if you hit the guy and like... 0.76
00:31:07.000 You know, fuck him up enough. 1.00
00:31:08.000 It's gonna be hard for him to hit the ball. 1.00
00:31:10.000 I don't know how that works, man.
00:31:14.000 The guy hitting the ball have all the gear on?
00:31:16.000 Who has the gear on?
00:31:17.000 Oh, yeah.
00:31:17.000 See, this is back when they didn't even really have that much gear, too.
00:31:20.000 Oh, really?
00:31:21.000 They weren't even allowed to wear, like, helmets or anything like that.
00:31:24.000 No, no.
00:31:25.000 Here's the question. 1.00
00:31:26.000 Why would you not try to hit the guy every fucking time? 1.00
00:31:30.000 I think that's what they were trying to do. 0.99
00:31:31.000 I think that's why you have a giant wide paddle.
00:31:34.000 It's more of a defensive tool than an offensive tool.
00:31:37.000 That's interesting.
00:31:38.000 In that circumstance.
00:31:39.000 Aim for the head every time. 1.00
00:31:40.000 So you think it was better?
00:31:41.000 That paddle worked better back when people were only throwing 60-70 miles an hour.
00:31:46.000 But now they're major league pitch.
00:31:48.000 You ever seen a guy throw a fastball?
00:31:49.000 Like a major league fastball?
00:31:51.000 It's kind of terrifying.
00:31:52.000 On TV? It's insane.
00:31:53.000 I've seen it live.
00:31:54.000 It's kind of terrifying.
00:31:55.000 The speed a guy can throw a ball.
00:31:57.000 It's kind of like, you go, whoa.
00:31:59.000 When you swing, it's your guessing.
00:32:02.000 It's like, in that area.
00:32:03.000 Well, you're hoping that he's aiming for, you know what I mean?
00:32:06.000 A particular area so you can guess.
00:32:09.000 Who was the guy that died, and then they started instituting those helmets?
00:32:12.000 He's a famous baseball player.
00:32:15.000 He got hit in the- oh.
00:32:16.000 He might not have died. 0.99
00:32:17.000 He might have got, like, really fucked up and was never the same again. 0.98
00:32:20.000 I believe he played for the Red Sox. 0.88
00:32:22.000 But it was when I was a kid. 0.99
00:32:24.000 This guy got hit with a ball and, like, really fucked up. 0.99
00:32:27.000 And his career was done. 0.99
00:32:28.000 He was never the same again.
00:32:29.000 And I remember thinking, man, like, one ball can do that?
00:32:33.000 You can get hit with one ball and you're done. 1.00
00:32:36.000 Who the fuck was that? 1.00
00:32:38.000 Is the last name Hayward? 1.00
00:32:39.000 I don't know.
00:32:40.000 It was a famous case.
00:32:43.000 Wade Boggs.
00:32:44.000 He died later. 1.00
00:32:48.000 Fuck. 1.00
00:32:49.000 There's probably some sports fans right now screaming, you got the whole fucking story wrong, faggot! 1.00
00:32:54.000 You got the whole story wrong! 1.00
00:32:57.000 You don't even like baseball!
00:32:59.000 You got the whole story wrong!
00:33:01.000 My point being, if Jiu Jitsu was on TV, if they got to see some wild matches, like, especially, one of the things I'd appreciate about watching your match, I got exposed to you by Eddie, the first one I saw was you and Krohn.
00:33:14.000 Yes! 0.98
00:33:15.000 We talked about that shit, we talked about it for like an hour! 1.00
00:33:18.000 God damn, son, that was an exciting match! 1.00
00:33:20.000 Woo! 1.00
00:33:21.000 That was two dudes, two, like, just razor-sharp assassins trying to chop each other down.
00:33:29.000 Man, what a match.
00:33:30.000 Just what a match.
00:33:31.000 That was incredible, you know?
00:33:33.000 The first time I met you was at that seminar, right?
00:33:36.000 In Florida?
00:33:37.000 Were you at that seminar in Florida?
00:33:39.000 Florida, no. 0.97
00:33:40.000 You know, what ended up happening was...
00:33:44.000 The reason why he did EBI 1 was originally I was going to do the Sub Only Worlds.
00:33:49.000 That's what it was going to be.
00:33:51.000 And Scotty from On The Mat, he was on board.
00:33:56.000 He goes, dude, that's a great idea.
00:33:57.000 Let's do it.
00:33:57.000 Let me be a sponsor.
00:33:58.000 And he goes, but can I get my boy Gary Tonin in there for sure?
00:34:01.000 Because we were going to do a 170, the first one, Sub Only Worlds, 170, 60-man bracket.
00:34:06.000 And I hadn't even heard of you.
00:34:08.000 I don't keep track of the top jujitsu guys.
00:34:11.000 I really don't.
00:34:12.000 Yeah, I don't do a good job either.
00:34:14.000 I can barely keep track of the guys in the UFC. And he said, I got to get Gary Tonin.
00:34:18.000 And I go, well, what I'm trying to do is get the best submission guys.
00:34:22.000 I don't care about the best IBJJF points guys.
00:34:25.000 I don't want points guys.
00:34:26.000 I want submission guys.
00:34:27.000 He goes, he's good.
00:34:28.000 I go, okay, you sure?
00:34:29.000 Okay.
00:34:30.000 I was going to put him in as a favor.
00:34:31.000 I didn't know this guy.
00:34:34.000 So...
00:34:34.000 Sub-Only Worlds, we had investors interested and then it fell through.
00:34:39.000 And then by the time I was ready to start pushing it again, I decided...
00:34:43.000 Victor got involved.
00:34:44.000 Victor Davila from the UFC, he's a Spanish commentator, Spanish Joe Rogan.
00:34:48.000 He got involved and said, Let me be the investor.
00:34:51.000 Let me produce it.
00:34:52.000 And let's call it Eddie Bravo Invitational.
00:34:54.000 And I thought, hmm.
00:34:56.000 Because he wanted to call it that for recognition.
00:35:00.000 People would know right away.
00:35:02.000 And it was his idea.
00:35:03.000 EBI was his idea.
00:35:04.000 I was like, hmm, calling it my name?
00:35:06.000 Are you sure?
00:35:07.000 But then as...
00:35:09.000 With a business mind, you think, okay, that is a good idea.
00:35:11.000 Let me put myself out there.
00:35:15.000 Metamorphose was already in the works, and it would be perfect.
00:35:17.000 My name would be back.
00:35:18.000 We could piggyback off that.
00:35:22.000 So I thought it was a good strategy.
00:35:23.000 It's a great strategy.
00:35:24.000 I have a well-established name already to try and build up something else so much harder.
00:35:28.000 So, the very first one, we did 170 and we did featherweights too.
00:35:32.000 We were doing UFC weights.
00:35:34.000 And Gary, of course, he was going to be in sub only and Scotty on the mat was involved and he said, my boy Gary, you got to put him in.
00:35:41.000 And by that time, BJJ Kumite was out and I remembered who he was.
00:35:46.000 That was the guy, that Scotty Nelson's boy.
00:35:49.000 So then, went to Abu Dhabi, 2013, and I remember the first time we met there, we were at the hotel lobby, and I still didn't know who you were, and I came up, and I came up, and I was like, hey guys! 0.96
00:36:02.000 I didn't know who he was, and then I go, oh shit, you're Gary! 0.62
00:36:04.000 And then he goes on. 0.98
00:36:06.000 It was one of the greatest Abu Dhabi.
00:36:08.000 Even though you didn't get the gold medal, it was one of the greatest performances.
00:36:11.000 That fight with Krohn was absolutely incredible.
00:36:14.000 And then after that, after you almost pulled it off, he ended up finishing you.
00:36:19.000 That's what made it crazy, too.
00:36:20.000 That's Hickson's son and Hickson's coaching.
00:36:22.000 But after that, you did the absolute.
00:36:24.000 You're 175 pounds.
00:36:26.000 You went against Bouchesha and Cyborg.
00:36:28.000 And those guys couldn't tap you.
00:36:29.000 You were going after them.
00:36:31.000 Yeah.
00:36:31.000 I mean, Jesus Christ, this is the guy that just almost...
00:36:34.000 Look at him in the Absolute, the smallest dude in the Absolute.
00:36:37.000 He gets the two champions.
00:36:40.000 Cyborg won the Absolute, and Bushesha won the heavyweight.
00:36:46.000 So they fought twice in the finals.
00:36:47.000 One time Bushesha won, one time Cyborg won.
00:36:49.000 So that's crazy in itself.
00:36:51.000 But he went against both of them. 0.99
00:36:54.000 Goddamn, Cyborg's giant. 0.99
00:36:56.000 He's a big dude. 0.99
00:36:57.000 You were going after him, too.
00:37:00.000 Man, like, it has to be like 230 plus at least.
00:37:03.000 Yeah, when he was doing that Metamorris match with Schaub, I was like, this guy is thick!
00:37:07.000 Yeah, he's really strong, super technical, really good off his back. 0.98
00:37:10.000 And then, boom, after that, like, holy shit! 0.99
00:37:13.000 He's got some ridiculous guard, what did he call it? 1.00
00:37:16.000 Tornado. 0.91
00:37:16.000 Tornado guard? 0.91
00:37:17.000 Yeah.
00:37:17.000 I've seen him in videos.
00:37:19.000 It's amazing.
00:37:19.000 Is it a tornado guard?
00:37:20.000 Is that what it's called?
00:37:21.000 Especially with the gi.
00:37:22.000 He's amazing with it.
00:37:23.000 He's one of the bigger guys that started to move like a lighter guy when it comes to jiu-jitsu.
00:37:28.000 Used to just be like two big fat guys falling all over each other in the heavyweight division.
00:37:33.000 For a big guy, for a dude over 230, there's nobody that has.
00:37:36.000 I haven't seen.
00:37:37.000 I'm sure there's guys in...
00:37:39.000 In Sao Paulo somewhere, they're just as good.
00:37:42.000 I don't have my finger on all that.
00:37:44.000 But what I've seen out of the famous guy, Cyborg, as a big dude, nobody moves.
00:37:48.000 I don't see anybody moving like him.
00:37:50.000 His half guard's insane. 0.93
00:37:51.000 I can't even play his half guard.
00:37:53.000 I'm like, that's a whole different kind of half guard.
00:37:54.000 I got a couple students that are on the case.
00:37:57.000 I'm like, go study him. 1.00
00:37:58.000 We're going to eventually bring that shit in. 0.99
00:37:59.000 That's on the table because it's working at high levels. 1.00
00:38:02.000 He gets under dudes and with his hamstrings fucking loose. 0.98
00:38:04.000 He launches him. 1.00
00:38:05.000 He's crazy. 0.87
00:38:06.000 We should call him by his name because everybody thinks Cyborg is the chick who fights for him. 0.98
00:38:11.000 Yes, yes, yes.
00:38:13.000 It's Roberto Abreu.
00:38:14.000 How do you say it?
00:38:15.000 Roberto Abreu, I think.
00:38:16.000 Abreu?
00:38:17.000 There's a jiu-jitsu cyborg and then an MMA cyborg.
00:38:19.000 The jiu-jitsu cyborg is a super yoked guy.
00:38:22.000 And there's a lot of great videos of him doing strength and conditioning work online, too. 1.00
00:38:26.000 That motherfucker is stupid strong, dude. 1.00
00:38:29.000 And there's another cyborg that does jiu-jitsu and MMA, too. 1.00
00:38:32.000 What?
00:38:33.000 What?
00:38:33.000 Yes.
00:38:34.000 Smaller Cyborg.
00:38:35.000 That's the guy that Nick Diaz armbarred.
00:38:36.000 Remember that?
00:38:36.000 On Strike Force?
00:38:37.000 That guy's Cyborg, too.
00:38:39.000 That's right.
00:38:39.000 Well, that's Cyborg's husband.
00:38:41.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:38:42.000 Yeah, ex-husband.
00:38:43.000 Yeah.
00:38:43.000 Yeah, that's right, of course.
00:38:45.000 And bottom line is, Gary went to...
00:38:49.000 I gotta watch that fight again, because, I mean, they could...
00:38:52.000 They were so frustrated.
00:38:53.000 These giant superstar legends are already living legends.
00:38:57.000 Both of them.
00:38:58.000 Bouchesha's already just... 1.00
00:38:59.000 He's a fucking animal. 1.00
00:39:01.000 And he couldn't tap him. 1.00
00:39:02.000 It's crazy.
00:39:04.000 Did you know about Cyborg's Guard?
00:39:07.000 Did you understand it?
00:39:08.000 My teacher, Tom the Blaster, my original teacher, he fought him in Abu Dhabi in 2009, 2011, something like that.
00:39:18.000 Which one was in Barcelona?
00:39:23.000 I don't know.
00:39:23.000 It doesn't matter.
00:39:24.000 But anyway, he fought him.
00:39:26.000 So, you know, I did a little studying on him just because, you know, my teacher who fought him and it was a very controversial match.
00:39:32.000 Like, you know, they kind of, when you look back at it, it looks like they kind of screwed Tom.
00:39:37.000 So, you know, that for me, like, I definitely was familiar with him.
00:39:41.000 I watched videos of him and stuff like that after that.
00:39:43.000 But I'd say he'd made leads and bounds from that point.
00:39:47.000 I took his jiu-jitsu a little bit for granted before that fight.
00:39:53.000 In that Abu Dhabi, I felt like it was the biggest...
00:39:58.000 Like a climax of his career, for sure.
00:40:00.000 In terms of his technique, it was on that event, for sure.
00:40:04.000 Dude trains hard.
00:40:05.000 Yeah, man.
00:40:05.000 Definitely trains hard.
00:40:07.000 That's interesting.
00:40:08.000 When you see a guy like that, and you see those leaps and bounds, what do you attribute that to?
00:40:14.000 Do you attribute that to the high-level jiu-jitsu that's available today that everybody has to kind of keep up?
00:40:18.000 Do you attribute it to just people?
00:40:21.000 I think overall, people are getting better, right?
00:40:23.000 We all admit that, right?
00:40:24.000 I mean, the guys of today...
00:40:26.000 There's guys that stand out, in my mind.
00:40:29.000 There's always going to be Marcelo Garcia and Hickson in his prime.
00:40:31.000 There's always going to be these guys that stand out.
00:40:33.000 But the guys that today, it seems like if you wanted to get into jiu-jitsu and watch Submission Grappling like the EBI tomorrow, there's no better time.
00:40:41.000 People are finishing people now.
00:40:43.000 And every day, I got a bunch of jiu-jitsu nerds in my association, in my home school.
00:40:48.000 Every time I see a cool clip of a new transition that Jeff Gleason I thought I was the only one.
00:41:17.000 I thought I was going to be able to steal a move.
00:41:18.000 Well, that's a beautiful thing about jujitsu that's misunderstood.
00:41:21.000 A lot of people think that it has to do with strength and aggression.
00:41:25.000 You know, you think of it as being like this thing, but so many of the guys that do it, they are like, if they weren't doing this, they would be building computers or something.
00:41:35.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:41:35.000 We talk about that all the time.
00:41:36.000 It's crazy.
00:41:37.000 How we could actually dedicate this time to something that people actually care about and we could actually make money or something.
00:41:44.000 But yeah, that's definitely more the mindset for most of them.
00:41:48.000 There are those muscle head type guys still in the sport.
00:41:50.000 There's a few of those for sure, but guys like you, the thoughtful, intelligent guys, seem to always rise to the top.
00:41:56.000 They figure out how to always have the best answer to whatever problems in front of them.
00:42:03.000 Yeah, that's what we're really looking for.
00:42:04.000 I mean, that's the theory that I try to, you know, pass on to my students and stuff.
00:42:08.000 You know, as opposed to, like, I tell it at seminars all the time.
00:42:11.000 I'm like, guys, if you're ever doing a move, and you're just like, this isn't working, the reason is probably not because you're not pushing harder, or you need to go faster.
00:42:20.000 You know what I mean?
00:42:20.000 Like, that's not the reason something's not working.
00:42:22.000 It's because your technique's flawed.
00:42:24.000 Or his defense is good.
00:42:25.000 Yeah, either or.
00:42:28.000 That's one of those things that...
00:42:29.000 I always used to laugh when people...
00:42:33.000 Eddie and I used to talk about it when it comes to complicated techniques.
00:42:37.000 Like some of your rubber guard techniques, it takes a long time to get flexible, and you have to do the reps to pull them off.
00:42:42.000 And people would say, oh, that doesn't work.
00:42:44.000 And we would always laugh, like, okay, do head kicks work?
00:42:48.000 Did you learn how to do a head kick right away?
00:42:50.000 Yeah.
00:42:50.000 This is a perfect example, right?
00:42:52.000 Like head kicks.
00:42:53.000 Like a wheel kick to the head.
00:42:54.000 How long is that going to take? 0.76
00:42:55.000 How long does it take to hit somebody?
00:42:56.000 You can't say it doesn't work.
00:42:58.000 Watch the Vitor Rockhold fight.
00:42:59.000 Watch a million fights now.
00:43:01.000 There's a lot of them.
00:43:02.000 So in a lot of ways, jujitsu is like everything else, right?
00:43:07.000 There's going to be these levels that you see of it that are super high, and then you realize what's possible, and you go, oh.
00:43:12.000 And then along the way, you've got a lot of people that are second-guessing.
00:43:15.000 A lot of doubters, a lot of people that don't think this is going to work or that's going to work.
00:43:19.000 There's just so many moves in Jiu Jitsu.
00:43:21.000 It's unlike any other sport.
00:43:23.000 It's endless.
00:43:25.000 All the top guys have their own style.
00:43:27.000 There's so much to learn.
00:43:28.000 And the only way to get good at a certain transition or a move is to spend a lot A lot of time with that certain move or that transition.
00:43:35.000 You don't have that much time.
00:43:36.000 So the smart thing to do is because sometimes you're working on a transition that might not pan out and you hit a dead end.
00:43:43.000 So you're like, you don't know what moves to spend this precious time with.
00:43:46.000 So you look at the top guys and what are they doing?
00:43:49.000 They already done the research and development.
00:43:51.000 It works.
00:43:52.000 So now you know what's safe to put reps into.
00:43:55.000 That's a safe one.
00:43:56.000 That's a safe one.
00:43:56.000 And the safe ones are the best ones, right?
00:43:58.000 I think the compliment to that though is like, so you look at that and I've seen people do it, people that used to be on our team, they would look at these guys, what are the top guys doing, focus on that, but you focus too much on it.
00:44:10.000 Those top guys, let's take like the Mendez brothers for instance, with like Barambolo, right?
00:44:16.000 These guys are doing a move that they've perfected, right?
00:44:19.000 So sure, I could study what they're doing and learn what they're doing, but am I going to be able to make the same headway that they have with that move?
00:44:27.000 Probably not.
00:44:28.000 So I probably need to pick up a different facet of my game and make headway with that move.
00:44:32.000 You know what I mean?
00:44:32.000 And that's what I try to do.
00:44:34.000 That's what I tell people.
00:44:35.000 Oh, you know, what's the best way to get a step forward in competition, a step ahead of the game?
00:44:40.000 And I think it's being somewhere, being in a position more than other people.
00:44:45.000 Or in that position.
00:44:46.000 And developing that.
00:44:47.000 Not so much what you see other people doing.
00:44:49.000 If you're constantly just trying to do what other people are doing, you're going to get caught up in that game and they'll always find a way to submit you.
00:44:55.000 Because they've been doing it longer.
00:44:56.000 You know what I mean?
00:44:57.000 I think that's the opposing strategy to what you were just talking about.
00:45:00.000 I totally agree with you.
00:45:02.000 I use both strategies.
00:45:04.000 I always promote and push to keep your go-to moves polished.
00:45:10.000 Do not forget about your go-to moves.
00:45:12.000 Those are your special moves.
00:45:14.000 Anytime a new student comes to me and you see them developing a move, even if it's a move that I suck at, I'm like, that's your move right there.
00:45:22.000 I remind them, I go, that's yours.
00:45:23.000 Get really good at that.
00:45:24.000 That's your secret weapon.
00:45:25.000 You gotta have secret weapons.
00:45:26.000 But at the same time, I have new students starting every day.
00:45:30.000 So I like to expose them to everything that's working out there and create their own style like that.
00:45:36.000 Even though personally, I teach the barambolo.
00:45:38.000 It's part of our warm-up system.
00:45:39.000 I'm not ever going to be a barambolo player.
00:45:42.000 I mess with it every now and then when I'm rolling with 12-year-olds and women. 1.00
00:45:47.000 I'll bear and bowl the shit out of a white belt girl. 1.00
00:45:50.000 I'll do that. 1.00
00:45:51.000 I know, but I know eventually, eventually, I'm going to get really good at that in like 10 years, and then I'll be able to attack with it.
00:45:59.000 But right now, you stick to your go-to, keep those strong, and take your go-tos to the highest level.
00:46:04.000 But also, also...
00:46:07.000 Have a constant introduction of new stuff in your game that'll pay back later, maybe 10 years down the road, 15 years down the road, where maybe it's not your game now, but it will be after a while.
00:46:18.000 You're like, I'm killing it with this.
00:46:18.000 Yeah, you definitely need to take all those elements from the good guys, from what they do, for sure.
00:46:22.000 There's really no other martial art like that, right?
00:46:24.000 That has so many different moves.
00:46:26.000 It's incredible.
00:46:27.000 It's like a five-dimensional martial art.
00:46:30.000 Yeah, I mean, it just keeps getting better and better over the years, like Joe was saying before, you know?
00:46:35.000 The progression of jujitsu in general and the level of it is just going up and up and I think the biggest innovations that are happening now Are probably in the leg lock game, to be honest.
00:46:44.000 I think that's like the next new frontier for jiu-jitsu.
00:46:46.000 You and Eddie Cummings are a big part of that.
00:46:50.000 Since they won a 10th planet, I've never outlawed heel hooks or reaping.
00:46:56.000 I just never wanted to get heavy on heel hooks because I wanted to train my fighters for MMA. I didn't want their first habit to go to heel hooks because it's a little dangerous when the highest-time guys are telling me...
00:47:08.000 When the leg lock school guys are telling me, Manny, Carl, Karin, oh bro, bro, MMA, leg locks, last resort, you don't want to give up position.
00:47:16.000 When they're saying that, I'm like, okay.
00:47:17.000 But I never discouraged it, but I had leg lock, like Shigeki, one of my black belts, very good at leg locks.
00:47:23.000 Denny got really good at leg locks.
00:47:24.000 I told Denny, five years ago, Submerge yourself in leg locks.
00:47:28.000 He's not going to do MMA. I go, so leg locks are very important for you.
00:47:32.000 But then when we saw what you did in EBI 1, you just leg locked the shit out of everybody.
00:47:37.000 And then in the Grappler's Quest Ultimate Absolute, in EBI 1, in the finals, you beat Richie Martinez, one of my guys.
00:47:45.000 You heel hooked him, inside heel hook. 1.00
00:47:46.000 And then at the Grappler's Quest Ultimate Absolute or Ultimate whatever, Submission only, I get those mixed up.
00:47:52.000 It was you and Nathan Orchard at the end of that 16-man bracket, another one of my black belts, and you got him with the inside heel hook again.
00:47:59.000 From that point, Nathan decided, you know what, he started studying everything you were doing, and we, to me, I never got deep into them.
00:48:09.000 I got a good crippler or a game over, whatever people call it. 0.91
00:48:14.000 Both legs reaped.
00:48:15.000 When I escaped the mount, I go to that.
00:48:17.000 I'm good at that heel hook, but generally I'm not good at heel hooks.
00:48:20.000 Never really looked into it.
00:48:22.000 I didn't know the system.
00:48:24.000 I didn't know the system until Nathan studied your personal game.
00:48:29.000 And then showed it to me.
00:48:30.000 And I'm like, wow.
00:48:32.000 It's like the rubber guard.
00:48:33.000 Because people think rubber guard is just reaching up and grabbing your legs and holding on and throwing up an arm bar.
00:48:39.000 They don't realize there's a system, there's all these positions, there's a path.
00:48:42.000 I didn't realize it was the exact same thing for leg locks.
00:48:45.000 When I first started training leg locks, I walked in and Eddie had already made a lot of headway in the leg lock game and obviously John had been teaching him.
00:48:54.000 You know, when I first came in, my intentions were, you know, I was preparing for ADCC. So my intentions were like, alright, I want to know a little bit about this leg lock game.
00:49:01.000 I'm going to be competing in a tournament where heel hooks are illegal, which I don't usually do. 1.00
00:49:05.000 You know, I want to be ready for this.
00:49:06.000 You know, I'm ready for whatever people are going to throw at me.
00:49:08.000 I'm just going to learn how to do it well enough that I can defend it.
00:49:11.000 And then I learned that it's like a whole different martial art.
00:49:14.000 Like just the leg locks, you know, adding the leg locks. 0.99
00:49:16.000 And I'm like, what the fuck? 0.99
00:49:17.000 I'm like, one day I asked John because I'm so frustrated I'm not passing Eddie's guard because he just keeps leg locking me. 0.99
00:49:22.000 And I'm like, so, you know, when a guy's good at leg locks, how do you pass the guard? 0.99
00:49:25.000 He's like, fucking learn leg locks, dude. 0.98
00:49:28.000 So you gotta learn how to do what he's doing so that you know the counters and everything. 0.98
00:49:33.000 I realized I had to spend time on it, you know, as opposed to just like dismissing it as like a small part When you see someone when you see someone dismiss him in MMA like the highest on guy saying don't do it because it's a last resort But then you see a guy like I was gonna say that one today leg locks in MMA. What do you think?
00:49:52.000 I just think there needs to be, there's a few guys that are using them well, and I just, I think that, you know, there's just not enough people out there that are confident enough in them and have done enough technical research to make them, you know, useful, you know?
00:50:04.000 What about Paul Hartz?
00:50:05.000 I mean, if you teach one dude a shitty heel hook. 0.98
00:50:06.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.98
00:50:07.000 Paul Hartz.
00:50:08.000 Think about his hand when you see it.
00:50:10.000 So it's terrifying.
00:50:11.000 The guy knows that he has a confidence in his heel hook.
00:50:14.000 He knows he can break a limb with it.
00:50:15.000 And he finds, in every different situation, a lot of our transitions we get from, you know, oh, Pajaras got a leg there.
00:50:22.000 He got a leg here, you know.
00:50:23.000 He learns how to get there from many different positions.
00:50:26.000 And that's what I was talking about before and kind of what Eddie was talking about with finding that thing that's like yours.
00:50:30.000 You know, he's there all the time.
00:50:31.000 So if he can get you there...
00:50:33.000 Boom, you're done.
00:50:34.000 Yeah, you don't know what you're doing.
00:50:35.000 Exactly.
00:50:36.000 You're thinking, he's already moving on Instance.
00:50:38.000 This is what I'm thinking about leg locks.
00:50:40.000 I hear this stuff from Hyaston, you know, 10 years ago.
00:50:43.000 Yeah.
00:50:43.000 I hear, one of my first, my first MMA fighter was, he was rubber guard, twister, he was like, I created this guy, but he also had a leg lock game.
00:50:54.000 Okay.
00:50:54.000 And he did MMA, and every time he tried to go for leg locks, he got knocked out.
00:50:57.000 Yeah.
00:50:58.000 So there was a point where he had to – it was too dangerous after like 12.5.
00:51:04.000 No, for sure.
00:51:05.000 But then you have Husamar Paharis coming out of nowhere. 1.00
00:51:11.000 And people, I think, are giving him more like, well, he's making the leg locks work because he's so strong.
00:51:16.000 He's so strong and he's so scary.
00:51:18.000 And so, because the people do feel like we need to see it a few more times from different people.
00:51:22.000 Hey, I hope leg lock works.
00:51:24.000 The more submissions on the ground, the better.
00:51:26.000 I love the way Rusam Arpaharis is pulling guard into leg locks.
00:51:29.000 He's not even trying to take dudes down.
00:51:31.000 Well, you know what I love when Alan Belcher figured it out?
00:51:33.000 Yes.
00:51:34.000 Alan Belcher figured it out.
00:51:35.000 I mean, he willingly went into his half guard.
00:51:38.000 He willingly went to the ground with him.
00:51:40.000 That's the biggest mistake people make.
00:51:41.000 And he defended every single step of the way and then beat him down and stopped him.
00:51:45.000 I think at the high level, that's what it looks like.
00:51:47.000 I think if the guy is kind of shaky about leg locks and he doesn't have leg lock defense in his DNA, he's going to get caught.
00:51:55.000 Alan spent two months solid with Dean Lister, flew him in, Davi Ramos, who's a mini Pajaris leglock.
00:52:02.000 And he said the first two weeks, he just got leglocked all day.
00:52:05.000 And after a while, you learn how to slow it down, and then you get tapped, and you slow it down, and then you get tapped, and you slow it down, and then you start attacking.
00:52:14.000 And that's what he said.
00:52:15.000 So I think maybe with the leglock game, if everybody got really good at the defense, That, yes, you can get in these leg lock positions and avoid getting hit, because I think the saddle and the hunting, I think it's pretty safe, right?
00:52:30.000 You ain't going to get hit there.
00:52:31.000 They can't reach you.
00:52:32.000 But if the guy defends it, and is comfortable defending it, and then can sit up in a certain spot and sprawl out on you, then it could be trouble.
00:52:41.000 I'm rooting for leg locks in MMA. Trust me.
00:52:44.000 I'm just not a hundred percent.
00:52:45.000 I need this.
00:52:46.000 Once the punch is coming, once they start flying, I hear Ryan Hall is making leg lock works and MMA training.
00:52:52.000 So maybe leg locks...
00:52:57.000 Will be the future of, or part of the future, of grappling in MMA. Well, you know, we always have this conception about this idea of it because of Frank Mir versus Ian Freeman.
00:53:06.000 I mean, that's like cemented in people's heads.
00:53:08.000 Remember?
00:53:08.000 Frank Mir's going for the heel hook, looked like he's got it locked up, and Ian Freeman's teeing off on his face while he's holding onto his leg.
00:53:16.000 That was huge.
00:53:16.000 And then Frank gets up, he's stumbling.
00:53:17.000 I mean, he got fucked up. 1.00
00:53:18.000 Fucked up and that was when Frank was a monster. 1.00
00:53:21.000 I mean Frank was real young, wild and aggressive. 1.00
00:53:24.000 Romina Sato and Joaquin Hanson.
00:53:26.000 Romina Sato is very good at leg locks, had a toehold. 1.00
00:53:28.000 Joaquin Hanson caught him once and hit him two or three times and he was just how it starts.
00:53:34.000 Who's got better leg lock technique?
00:53:36.000 Iminari or Paul Harris?
00:53:38.000 Because Iminari has wrecked some dudes knees too.
00:53:41.000 I think Iminari is probably more technical.
00:53:43.000 What do you think?
00:53:45.000 No.
00:53:46.000 Eddie Cummins says no.
00:53:47.000 Yeah, I think that you're seeing kind of...
00:53:50.000 First of all, you're seeing two people do leg locks to people that don't have any clue what they're doing when it comes to the leg lock game.
00:54:00.000 It's in the MMA world.
00:54:02.000 Not to discredit anybody that uses him effectively in MMA. Poharis has used him effectively in both.
00:54:06.000 But when you're watching people use leg locks in fights, you can't just be like, oh my god, that dude's leg locks are amazing.
00:54:12.000 Because in terms of grappling, they're going against somebody that doesn't have any clue what they're doing.
00:54:18.000 Most of the time, anyway.
00:54:20.000 But in terms of who's better, it's clear that the headway that Poharis has made with an outside heel hook is just...
00:54:29.000 You know, way above anyone else.
00:54:31.000 Iminari has some other...
00:54:32.000 I'd say Iminari's better at some of these technical transitions that he does, some very unique, you know, counters and unique, you know, attacks.
00:54:40.000 The spinning entries that you're good at, too, as well.
00:54:43.000 Yeah, I mean, we definitely study him and try and use some of that stuff.
00:54:46.000 So I think he's just a little bit more creative, a little bit more unique, but I don't think...
00:54:49.000 I think Poharis has a better system.
00:54:52.000 Paul Harris has a better system for breaking a limb as opposed to a lot of creative transitions and can eventually submit somebody.
00:55:00.000 You ever think about getting a private with Paul Harris?
00:55:04.000 No, because I, you know, I favor my knees and I don't want to get my legs.
00:55:08.000 You think you would just...
00:55:09.000 Oh, you'd definitely just break my legs, for sure. 0.91
00:55:11.000 Really?
00:55:11.000 I mean, he'd try, anyway.
00:55:13.000 Really?
00:55:13.000 Oh, for sure.
00:55:14.000 For sure. 1.00
00:55:15.000 Dude, the guy's a crazy person. 0.91
00:55:16.000 They brought in a sports psychologist to try and, like, hey, why are you breaking your training partner's legs and everybody's legs in competition and not letting go? 1.00
00:55:24.000 And the sports psychologist after a week was like, fuck this. 0.99
00:55:26.000 I don't know what the... 1.00
00:55:27.000 They brought him in because he was breaking his training partner's legs.
00:55:31.000 He's been kicked out of camps and stuff, dude.
00:55:32.000 Yeah.
00:55:32.000 Whoa.
00:55:34.000 Goddamn, Eddie Cummings. 0.99
00:55:36.000 You're nodding as well? 0.99
00:55:37.000 Yeah.
00:55:37.000 I just want to get confirmation across the board.
00:55:40.000 He had a tough childhood, man.
00:55:42.000 You hear about his childhood?
00:55:43.000 That big scar across his chest? 0.99
00:55:45.000 They tried to crazy glue that shit shut when he was like a kid. 1.00
00:55:48.000 Wow. 1.00
00:55:48.000 Yeah, he grew up on a farm. 1.00
00:55:50.000 He ate pig slop when he was like 13. It's a really heartbreaking story.
00:55:53.000 I'm not surprised at all.
00:55:54.000 He's been working since he was like a little kid. 0.98
00:55:56.000 It's one of the reasons why he's so fucking strong. 0.98
00:55:58.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:55:58.000 Maybe pig slop has something to do with it. 0.99
00:56:02.000 Gotta start eating pig slop.
00:56:03.000 I'm sure he added some other things to his diet once he got some of that much.
00:56:06.000 Can you imagine?
00:56:07.000 Wake up in the morning, eight ounces of pig slop. 0.97
00:56:09.000 Pig slop. 0.78
00:56:10.000 It's just super dense and protein. 1.00
00:56:12.000 Tastes like shit, but it's good for your... 1.00
00:56:14.000 Plus, it's like an instant fecal transplant as well, because you're eating a little bit of pig shit in there. 1.00
00:56:19.000 Perfect. 1.00
00:56:22.000 Did you see his fight with Fitch?
00:56:24.000 No, I haven't.
00:56:25.000 I've been watching a lot of highlights.
00:56:28.000 Alan Belcher actually explained it.
00:56:30.000 Alan Belcher actually went over what he did wrong.
00:56:33.000 It's pretty interesting, man.
00:56:35.000 He had a video outlining the technique, how to defend, and how Pajaras went to a straight leg lock.
00:56:40.000 What he did and the way he should have done it and the way he did do it.
00:56:43.000 It's really interesting.
00:56:44.000 Alan Belcher is a wizard when it comes to that stuff.
00:56:46.000 I love the way Paul Harris got the fight to the ground.
00:56:48.000 He's fighting John Fitch, a NCAA Division I wrestler.
00:56:52.000 How did he take him down?
00:56:53.000 He didn't even try.
00:56:54.000 He just shot for a weak single and just sat down and went for a leg lock. 1.00
00:56:59.000 Once he gets a hold of you, it's like you have a whole new level of oh fuck. 1.00
00:57:04.000 Like everybody has in their head like a level of oh fuck like okay. 1.00
00:57:07.000 I'm okay here. 0.99
00:57:08.000 I'm okay here. 0.95
00:57:09.000 I'll defend here, but I think he's so goddamn strong and on top of that his technique so sharp then went to grabs a hole you see this look on dudes faces like oh shit I'm not getting out of this guys are letting him get where he wants to be though. 0.85
00:57:22.000 Yeah, like most of them anyway You know the better strategy is to put him where you want him as opposed to oh Yeah, I'm just gonna keep this on the feet. 0.97
00:57:29.000 No, you're not you're not gonna keep this on the feet He's gonna find a way to get to the leg lock so pull guard put him put him down It shows you what a demon Hector Lombard is. 0.97
00:57:38.000 Because Hector Lombard was like, bitch, you're not getting a hold of my legs. 1.00
00:57:41.000 What happened in that fight? 1.00
00:57:42.000 He beat the shit out of him. 0.88
00:57:44.000 How did the fight go? 0.99
00:57:45.000 Stoppage.
00:57:45.000 Lombard stopped him.
00:57:46.000 He just couldn't take him down?
00:57:47.000 Couldn't take him down, couldn't get him in a leg lock, couldn't do anything with him.
00:57:50.000 He never got him to the ground.
00:57:51.000 Did he try to pull guard? 1.00
00:57:52.000 Hector Lombard is stupid strong. 1.00
00:57:55.000 Stupid strong. 1.00
00:57:56.000 He's the only guy I've ever seen lock up with Tim Bosch and just faceplant him. 1.00
00:58:01.000 Tim Bosch was trying to shoot and take him down and he sprawled and just slammed him into the ground. 0.99
00:58:09.000 Like he's so goddamn strong. 0.99
00:58:12.000 And on top of that, he's got ridiculous technique. 0.99
00:58:15.000 You know, his judo is off the charts. 0.86
00:58:17.000 And then, you know, he's got submissions too, man.
00:58:19.000 There's a video of him in a submission grappling match where he snaps a dude's leg and you can hear it.
00:58:23.000 You can hear the snap.
00:58:24.000 Nothing better than that.
00:58:25.000 Have you seen that video?
00:58:26.000 Which one?
00:58:27.000 Lombard.
00:58:28.000 Hector Lombard gets a dude in a leg lock and snaps his leg.
00:58:30.000 I think I've seen it.
00:58:31.000 It sounds familiar.
00:58:32.000 I think he got him in like a straight ankle lock and you hear a crack!
00:58:35.000 Remember John Loeber got his foot broken off with a toehold in Japan? 0.99
00:58:39.000 The whole foot just broke off and he's just looking at it and the foot's hanging and the ref just stops it and he's like looking at it going, oh shit. 0.95
00:58:46.000 Remember that? 0.99
00:58:46.000 It was a pancreas. 0.99
00:58:47.000 Toe hold, but the whole...
00:58:49.000 It was like Anderson Silva's leg. 0.99
00:58:53.000 Goddamn. 0.99
00:58:55.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99
00:58:56.000 You really stop and think about the progression over the years and all the crazy fights.
00:59:01.000 You've got to wake your brain up to that fight.
00:59:03.000 Have you guys looked into the CSW leg lock system with Eric Paulson?
00:59:07.000 You guys look at him at all?
00:59:08.000 I trained at a school once, but in terms of looking at their system of leg locks, I'm not as attuned to it.
00:59:15.000 Eddie does a lot more research than me.
00:59:17.000 As you call people BJJ nerds, that's Eddie for sure.
00:59:22.000 You're just like, Eddie, what's next? 1.00
00:59:24.000 What is the new shit? 0.99
00:59:25.000 I do a little bit of research, but I don't do extensive stuff. 1.00
00:59:29.000 I'm just training all the time.
00:59:32.000 Luckily, I live in an age where I have all these people around me that Study and you know know the martial art you know like I always think about that like think back to like You know, what was it like when nobody knew what the fuck they were doing and you just had to make everything up You know I mean you had nothing to go off of you know what I mean?
00:59:47.000 Now we're in this era where it's like, you know I could go to John with pretty much anything I'm gonna get a 95% accurate answer to whatever question is that I have because he's seen it You know a hundred times before on tape, you know what I mean?
00:59:58.000 We don't have to innovate as much Are you planning on fighting in MMA? Yeah, one or two years.
01:00:03.000 I don't know how to punch people in the face yet.
01:00:06.000 How old are you now? 0.84
01:00:07.000 I am 23. So you're just concentrating on striking before you do it?
01:00:12.000 Yeah, I just want to learn.
01:00:13.000 I want to know what I'm doing before I jump.
01:00:15.000 You wrestled your whole life, right?
01:00:16.000 I wrestled from 5th to 9th grade, and I started doing jiu-jitsu.
01:00:19.000 So it gave me a little bit of a grappling base, but it wasn't...
01:00:22.000 I knew how to do a single and a double leg, like a couple things in the ground.
01:00:26.000 Nothing serious.
01:00:27.000 Nothing that I really remember.
01:00:28.000 Now I do wrestling privates with a D1 guy, Matt Pletcher.
01:00:31.000 On a, you know, bi-weekly, you know, I did two a week.
01:00:35.000 And what kind of striking training are you doing?
01:00:37.000 Striking training, I started working with Frank Savannah, a boxing coach.
01:00:42.000 I'm just doing it like once a week right now.
01:00:44.000 Are you in Manhattan?
01:00:44.000 I just don't have time to...
01:00:45.000 I am in Manhattan, but I haven't checked anybody out in the area.
01:00:47.000 I've just been doing stuff in Jersey, bringing people to me, because I run a school, so it's hard for me to...
01:00:51.000 Right, because Henzo is connected with the Watt, right?
01:00:57.000 Like Phil Nurse?
01:00:59.000 Aren't you guys all affiliated?
01:01:01.000 Yeah, somewhat connected.
01:01:02.000 You have some guys teaching, but I haven't gotten in touch with those guys.
01:01:07.000 I'm just at a real basic level right now, so I just want to get to a point where I can start going to some professionals.
01:01:13.000 But it's almost like with Jiu Jitsu, without knowing anything, what use is it to go to the best guy in the world, you know what I mean?
01:01:19.000 Well, you know what, dude?
01:01:20.000 With a guy as good as you are, I think the most important thing is you go to whoever you go to, if you decide to embark on your MMA career, go to someone that's got a full knowledge, like a Firas Zahabi type dude.
01:01:34.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:01:34.000 Like someone's got a full knowledge of MMA. Yeah, yeah.
01:01:37.000 Those guys are so gigantic.
01:01:38.000 I don't think they get the credit that they deserve.
01:01:40.000 Yeah, man.
01:01:41.000 The Duke Rufuses of the world.
01:01:43.000 Those guys that just look at the whole package of what you do as a fighter and piece together the right strategy for you.
01:01:49.000 We have good connections with Firas and that camp.
01:01:54.000 Their guys come to us for Jiu Jitsu and our guys go down to them for MMA. I'm definitely hoping once I get some striking and shoot boxing to a certain level, I'd love to go down there.
01:02:03.000 Like I said, it's just so...
01:02:04.000 I feel like almost they wouldn't know what to do with me at this point just because I'm just so base level right now.
01:02:10.000 I'm useless to go down.
01:02:11.000 I don't want to waste their time.
01:02:12.000 So are you just training boxing or are you training Muay Thai?
01:02:15.000 Just boxing right now.
01:02:16.000 My boxing coach told me that he thinks I should spend about six months purely on boxing before I jump into Muay Thai.
01:02:22.000 You could probably do it either way.
01:02:23.000 No, it's a good idea, man.
01:02:24.000 They kind of contrast the two things that they're trying to teach you.
01:02:27.000 So, yeah, focus on one thing first, and then I'll jump into that for sure.
01:02:31.000 Yeah, get those mechanics down and then the transition is very important though.
01:02:36.000 Some people don't make it.
01:02:37.000 If you don't make it and the guy has, leg kicks are just, they come into play.
01:02:41.000 Elbows and knees come into play.
01:02:43.000 There's too many things that come into play.
01:02:44.000 Guys make the mistake of focusing primarily on boxing just because it feels good to punch somebody in the face.
01:02:50.000 They get pretty good at it.
01:02:51.000 It's not an awkward movement for your body.
01:02:54.000 Pretty self-explanatory.
01:02:56.000 Everybody understands it.
01:02:57.000 But then kicking is this whole thing where you're moving your body in a way that seems awkward.
01:03:03.000 You have to think about where your balance and foot placement goes.
01:03:06.000 Some guys, they just become that boxer-wrestler jiu-jitsu type guy.
01:03:10.000 But you can't do that anymore, man.
01:03:12.000 There's Vitor Belfort's wheel kicking you in the head.
01:03:15.000 You know what I mean?
01:03:16.000 It's like now it's on such a weird level that guys can do things.
01:03:19.000 Guys that are like super high level in everything, they'll always have that advantage over you in this one thing.
01:03:24.000 As you're planning out your future, super important to look at all the spots.
01:03:28.000 Some guys never do that, you know?
01:03:30.000 Like, no one ever expects Chael Sonnen to throw a head kick.
01:03:33.000 You know what I mean?
01:03:34.000 Like, he's a good example of it.
01:03:36.000 No one ever expected him to, you know, just never put that as a threat.
01:03:40.000 It was never in...
01:03:41.000 But, like, a guy like a GSP or, you know, fill in the blank, they can kind of do anything.
01:03:47.000 Vitor, perfect example.
01:03:48.000 He can do anything.
01:03:50.000 Yeah.
01:03:51.000 Definitely makes you more dangerous for sure.
01:03:53.000 With jiu-jitsu, like professional jiu-jitsu was a big thing.
01:03:56.000 It was on television.
01:03:57.000 It was a major league sport.
01:03:59.000 That's what we're trying to go for right now.
01:04:00.000 But would you go into MMA or would you stay with jiu-jitsu?
01:04:04.000 That's an interesting question.
01:04:05.000 I haven't really considered it yet because we just haven't gotten it to that level.
01:04:09.000 I think...
01:04:11.000 I think I would still try at some point to transition into MMA. Maybe I would hold it off for a little bit longer.
01:04:16.000 Like if I really saw that the sport was taking off and I felt like that's where I could make my headway and that's where I could make my mark, I'd definitely spend a lot more time there.
01:04:26.000 I still think I would like to make a transition in MMA purely for a few reasons.
01:04:31.000 One, just to test myself at a new thing.
01:04:34.000 To make sure that I have the knowledge for when somebody comes up to me and goes, oh yeah, I want to make a transition to MMA from Jiu Jitsu.
01:04:42.000 What's your advice?
01:04:43.000 Well, I can't really give them advice if I've never done it before, I don't feel like.
01:04:46.000 So I want to really know what I'm talking about if I'm talking to these young guys that want to come up and do something with MMA instead of just Jiu Jitsu.
01:04:54.000 I definitely, from a teaching perspective, I need to get into MMA and experience that and know what it's like.
01:05:00.000 That's how I feel anyway.
01:05:02.000 Regardless of whether or not jiu-jitsu takes off and it's on TV and all that stuff.
01:05:05.000 Are you planning on ever doing any amateur boxing matches or anything along those lines?
01:05:09.000 I gotta talk to some of my coaches and stuff and see what they think is best in terms of my development and things like that.
01:05:15.000 I would imagine that that probably would be good for sure.
01:05:19.000 I want to avoid as much as possible Going the route of just getting knocked out all the time and training and stuff like that and just having that just gritty type of training where you're just It's just getting you tough You know in quotation marks and then I'll get to a point where I'm in a fight and I'm just getting touched on the chin and knocked out I want to make sure I'm focusing mostly on technical details and then you know putting it all together so smart and so happy to hear you say that it's one of the most important things and You know,
01:05:45.000 Jamie Varner just did this interview recently.
01:05:47.000 Jamie Varner was a former WEC lightweight champion.
01:05:50.000 Really tough guy.
01:05:51.000 Did this interview recently.
01:05:53.000 He said, I've shortened my career because I spar too hard, I spar too often, and I spar bigger guys.
01:05:58.000 Yeah.
01:05:58.000 You know, he started talking about how he was sparring Ryan Bader and all these dudes who were way bigger than him.
01:06:02.000 And that over those years of doing all that sparring with these larger guys and sparring really hard three days a week, He's like, don't try to prove you're tough.
01:06:11.000 You're tough.
01:06:11.000 You're in the UFC. You're already tough.
01:06:13.000 Like, don't.
01:06:13.000 Just try to do it right.
01:06:15.000 And he said, sometimes you don't even have to do it once a week.
01:06:17.000 Once every other week, maybe, even.
01:06:18.000 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking in terms of, like, when I get to the sparring and stuff like that, for sure.
01:06:22.000 I used to spar back in the day, like, probably, like, Yeah.
01:06:36.000 Yeah.
01:06:41.000 All I was really doing was, you know, hitting until I could get to a takedown anyway, but, I mean, just taking unnecessary damage for no reason from people that wanted to take my head off, you know?
01:06:50.000 It's not smart, and people think it's cute.
01:06:52.000 They think it's fun.
01:06:53.000 Like, this guy doesn't even know how to box.
01:06:54.000 Watch me touch him up. 1.00
01:06:55.000 You know, and they get in there and throw hard hooks on your fucking head. 1.00
01:06:58.000 You don't even see them coming. 1.00
01:07:00.000 And those shots that you take in those sparring sessions, they can really fuck you up. 0.80
01:07:04.000 Yeah. 0.64
01:07:04.000 For a long time. 0.64
01:07:05.000 I'm glad that it never really, you know, I didn't have to, you know, pay the price for that at all.
01:07:09.000 If you could find guys that spark technically really fast and have good control, man, you can progress so far.
01:07:16.000 Yeah.
01:07:16.000 Because it takes away all that, the fear of getting hit.
01:07:19.000 If you just find, like, it's just hard to find.
01:07:22.000 The ties apparently have it down.
01:07:23.000 I was talking to John Wayne Parr when he was on the podcast and he said they spar like they play.
01:07:28.000 Like when they're kicking each other they're like slapping each other because there's fighting every week so they don't want to get hurt.
01:07:34.000 So when they're sparring they're like playing with each other.
01:07:36.000 No one's trying to hurt anybody.
01:07:38.000 Yeah.
01:07:38.000 It should always be like that.
01:07:39.000 And that's like the biggest problem for people starting out and training jujitsu too.
01:07:43.000 You get that guy that's just like squeezes everything and like you need to be able to relax, get submitted and move around.
01:07:49.000 Like you have to be comfortable with all that stuff, you know?
01:07:51.000 Yeah.
01:07:51.000 Yeah.
01:07:52.000 It's like a hard thing for me to like teach, you know, new people coming in.
01:07:55.000 That's like the hardest transition.
01:07:56.000 Get them to a point where they're comfortable enough to relax and then just let their mind open up to like what they should be doing, you know?
01:08:01.000 Yeah, it seems like it's just time.
01:08:03.000 It's the only thing that fixes that.
01:08:05.000 Just time.
01:08:05.000 And everything.
01:08:06.000 And striking too.
01:08:07.000 But you see guys that train for a long time and maintain that mentality and still are just like, you know, just rough and tough guys that are just trying as hard as they can every single role.
01:08:17.000 And they're not making a lot of progress.
01:08:18.000 I see plenty of people like that.
01:08:20.000 So time, but with good direction from, like, coaches and teammates and things like that. 0.98
01:08:24.000 Because there's still plenty of guys that you could be training for 10 years and you're just still trained like a jerk-off, you know? 0.71
01:08:29.000 Yeah.
01:08:31.000 There's a lot of those guys that never really develop much offense either.
01:08:34.000 They have, like, a couple of good moves that they cling to.
01:08:37.000 That's a weird thing, isn't it?
01:08:39.000 Some people just figure out how to get...
01:08:41.000 Like, how many years were you doing jiu-jitsu where you started hitting, like, a real high level?
01:08:46.000 I mean, I think...
01:08:49.000 I mean, it was a progression.
01:08:50.000 I was focused on points jiu-jitsu for a long time.
01:08:53.000 I was still trying to submit people.
01:08:54.000 But my strategy was, I'm going to get to the back because there's a high score for points there, and I can do a rear naked choke. 0.96
01:09:01.000 It's a highly effective submission, and it's low risk.
01:09:04.000 So that was my strategy for everything.
01:09:06.000 So the first five years of my training was all dedicated to that.
01:09:08.000 From every position, let's get to this guy's back, choke him from behind. 0.99
01:09:12.000 Keep this simple.
01:09:12.000 I'm going to have more points and I'm going to be able to submit the guy.
01:09:16.000 Past that, these last three years, I think I've made the biggest developments in terms of broadening my submission base and learning how to submit people from different places and things like that.
01:09:25.000 But I think it was kind of good for my progression because I got positionally sound and had a strategy and things like that.
01:09:32.000 But it took until I was a black belt to really make How do you feel about submission only versus the points game?
01:09:45.000 I think it takes a couple different things.
01:09:49.000 You could see people that are possibly successful in both or successful in one or the other, but I think what it comes down to is the mentality of the person that's training or competing in either one of those things.
01:10:01.000 I mean, you take somebody, whether they're a points fighter, if they're a points fighter competing in a submission-only tournament, you're going to pretty much see them take the same strategy in the submission-only tournament.
01:10:11.000 You know, it takes guys that are constantly hunting for submissions in training, and that's when you're going to see the best matches, you know, guys that are constantly hunting after submissions all the time.
01:10:24.000 It's not just like a situational thing.
01:10:26.000 There's like this overarching thing that some of the bigger jiu-jitsu guys say, I think I saw it like an article from Kyoter and I love Kyoter.
01:10:34.000 He's a great guy, but he posted this thing that said like, you know, Oh, you know, you know, I hate when people talk about, you know, submission fighters and, you know, points fighters and, you know, the difference between the two.
01:10:46.000 And I think it's like, you know, the points fighters, it's all the same, you know, and these guys talk about, oh, I'm going to use my jujitsu.
01:10:54.000 And if a submission opens up, I'm going to, yeah, I'll finish the guy if the submission opens up. 0.98
01:10:59.000 No, you make the fucking submission open up. 0.91
01:11:01.000 It's not, it's not like, oh, I'm waiting for this guy to like accidentally stick his arm out there. 0.99
01:11:05.000 No, I make him, I take his arm away from him.
01:11:08.000 That's the point.
01:11:09.000 You know, there's two complete, those are two different mentalities.
01:11:12.000 You know what I mean?
01:11:13.000 Oh, I'm going to wait for this guy to make a mistake and I'm going to make this guy in danger.
01:11:17.000 That's a newer mentality, right?
01:11:19.000 Because the original mentality was that one of the reasons why Hoist would favor a longer match is he wanted to cook his opponent.
01:11:25.000 He wanted to slow him down, wanted to make him make mistakes.
01:11:27.000 He didn't have the physicality to impose himself on people.
01:11:30.000 So he waited until they got tired and then they would give something up.
01:11:34.000 And it can work, sure.
01:11:35.000 And I don't think it's not a winning strategy.
01:11:38.000 Clearly you see guys grind people out and submit them.
01:11:40.000 But I think that not just using strength, you can find ways to open up submissions on people.
01:11:47.000 There's definitely a deeper level of technique there.
01:11:49.000 Yeah, that's why the difference between the way Josh Barnett describes submissions and the way some more technical jiu-jitsu-based guys would describe submissions.
01:12:00.000 Barnett always calls catch wrestling a violent art.
01:12:05.000 It's not the gentle art.
01:12:06.000 Jiu-jitsu is the gentle art.
01:12:07.000 Catch wrestling is the violent art.
01:12:09.000 A lot of the young guys, like yourself, super aggressive guys, there's a change in philosophy then.
01:12:17.000 There's more adhering to that philosophy, like the aggressive go-after-it philosophy.
01:12:21.000 Yeah, and I think when we're talking about taking grappling to a point where it's a spectator sport, which is like what Eddie's trying to do in many of these other organizations, that's what needs to happen.
01:12:29.000 Absolutely.
01:12:30.000 Whether it's going to help you win fights or not, like, you know, you take a look at the UFC and Dana White's always telling people like, You have to have exciting fights.
01:12:38.000 You have to have exciting fights.
01:12:39.000 And it's true because you won't have as many fans if you don't.
01:12:42.000 He'll eventually kick you out of the UFC if you don't.
01:12:44.000 You know what I mean?
01:12:44.000 But that's what makes it expected.
01:12:46.000 That's why people get paid to do it because people are excited to watch it.
01:12:49.000 And whether you win or lose, it can't be the only thing in your head at that point when we're talking about bringing people in.
01:12:56.000 If you're making money, you're putting on a performance, you know?
01:12:59.000 So it has to be about the attacks.
01:13:01.000 It has to be about what's exciting about Jiu Jitsu.
01:13:03.000 The submission.
01:13:04.000 You know what I mean?
01:13:05.000 So people constantly getting attacked, that's what people want to see.
01:13:07.000 And that's going to make this a big thing that people are interested in.
01:13:11.000 Are you still interested in competing in the gi?
01:13:13.000 I'll still compete in the gi.
01:13:15.000 I just don't focus on it because nobody pays anybody to compete in the gi, number one.
01:13:18.000 Metta Morris does.
01:13:20.000 Yeah, and most of the matches don't end in submission, and they're considered boring matches.
01:13:25.000 Most of them.
01:13:26.000 I'm not saying all of them.
01:13:27.000 Do you think Metamore should go all no gi?
01:13:29.000 Yeah, I do.
01:13:31.000 I don't necessarily think that you can't have exciting matches in the gi.
01:13:34.000 I just think you have to find the right people.
01:13:36.000 You have to find two people that are willing to put it all on the line and just try to submit each other and not give a shit whether or not they get submitted. 0.71
01:13:43.000 It's hard, even when you find two people like that, when they both have a grip of the collar and the sleeve, they're just stuck there. 0.97
01:13:50.000 They're really good at just holding each other.
01:13:54.000 It's a tough one.
01:13:55.000 Yeah, I agree.
01:13:57.000 I think it just makes it more exciting.
01:13:59.000 Would you do a metamorous match in the gi?
01:14:01.000 I'd consider it, but it would take a bigger camp.
01:14:05.000 I definitely...
01:14:07.000 I'm definitely just focused on no gi right now.
01:14:09.000 For everything in my future, it's just like, you know, if I'm gonna do MMA, it only makes sense.
01:14:13.000 Every match, every super fight that I'm being asked to do is without the gi. 0.96
01:14:16.000 It just literally at this point makes no sense for me to spend a lot of time on it.
01:14:20.000 Now, once again, like I said before, from an instructional standpoint, students that might be interested in training in the gi, at some point, once I break away from You know, my athletic career, I'll definitely study the Gi, I'll definitely study Judo, I'll definitely study all the things that, those little intricacies that people use in Jiu Jitsu,
01:14:37.000 the lapel guards and things like that, so that I can better help my students, but not so much for me as a professional athlete.
01:14:42.000 I don't think, I think at this point, we're hitting a point in Jiu Jitsu where you have to make a decision, what am I going to specialize in?
01:14:49.000 And I think I'm going to specialize in no-gi submission grappling.
01:14:53.000 Have you ever rolled with Marcelo?
01:14:55.000 I've never rolled with Marcelo.
01:14:56.000 Recently he's been injured.
01:14:59.000 I think he's coming back now pretty strong from what I hear.
01:15:01.000 What happened to him?
01:15:02.000 He got his knee hurt doing something.
01:15:05.000 I'm not 100% sure what.
01:15:06.000 Maybe snowboarding?
01:15:08.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:15:08.000 He loves snowboarding.
01:15:09.000 Does he?
01:15:10.000 Perfect.
01:15:10.000 He loves it.
01:15:11.000 That's my favorite thing.
01:15:12.000 Really?
01:15:13.000 Yep.
01:15:13.000 It's awesome, dude.
01:15:14.000 Eventually you'll do it.
01:15:16.000 I've been skiing.
01:15:18.000 It's different when you're going sideways.
01:15:20.000 Why is it different?
01:15:21.000 First of all...
01:15:22.000 Is it better?
01:15:23.000 It's better.
01:15:25.000 Really?
01:15:25.000 Once you go snowboarding, you don't go back to skiing.
01:15:28.000 For years, I was snowboarding.
01:15:30.000 Like, when I was a kid.
01:15:31.000 You went back to skiing? 0.99
01:15:31.000 I was like, skiing's for losers. 0.99
01:15:34.000 I'm gonna snowboard. 0.98
01:15:35.000 Snowboarding's so much cooler.
01:15:36.000 So I do it for like four or five years.
01:15:38.000 Just like, you know, once a year, twice a year, you know, family would go on trips or whatever.
01:15:41.000 And then one year, my friend's like, dude, you gotta, you know, try out skiing, you know?
01:15:46.000 See how you like it.
01:15:47.000 Now, at snowboarding, I was at a level, this is my strategy, snowboarding. 0.78
01:15:50.000 As fast as I possibly fucking could, in a straight line, go down the hill, and then fall To stop myself.
01:15:57.000 Alright, so I'm like getting almost knocked out, you know, falling into the snow. 0.94
01:16:00.000 How fast are you going?
01:16:01.000 I have no idea.
01:16:02.000 Yeah, who knows?
01:16:03.000 And I'm only going like, you know, bunny slopes or like, you know, blue, whatever the blue square, like an advanced, intermediate, whatever.
01:16:09.000 I could never do, I was fearful of a black, black diamond straight down.
01:16:13.000 I still don't do that.
01:16:14.000 So I put on skis, I put on skis, the first time I try it, black diamond, no problem.
01:16:18.000 You know what I mean?
01:16:19.000 It's like...
01:16:19.000 I mean, clearly you're not doing it technically, but it's safe.
01:16:23.000 You know what I mean?
01:16:24.000 I felt comfortable.
01:16:25.000 I could slow myself down.
01:16:26.000 Snowboarding, I just feel like you're looking in one direction.
01:16:29.000 It's just tunnel vision.
01:16:30.000 You're going as fast as you can.
01:16:31.000 It's so...
01:16:33.000 It's so much more uncontrolled, it's difficult.
01:16:35.000 So what you're saying is snowboarding is more exciting?
01:16:38.000 I... I... I... From a thrill-seeking point of view?
01:16:41.000 Hell yeah.
01:16:42.000 That feels more dangerous to me.
01:16:43.000 You're locked into this board.
01:16:44.000 You don't have your two legs to be able to separate and balance yourself.
01:16:48.000 How often do snowboarders collide with each other?
01:16:51.000 If you're going that fast, when I'm on the slopes, it's a much higher percentage than anybody else.
01:16:56.000 You just gotta learn how to turn.
01:16:57.000 You just gotta learn how to turn and so on.
01:16:59.000 Because really, snowboarding and skiing is just the art of slowing down.
01:17:02.000 Breaking, breaking, breaking, slowing down, slowing down, slowing down.
01:17:06.000 Because as soon as you don't slow down, boom!
01:17:08.000 You go down like a rocket.
01:17:09.000 Sonny Bono.
01:17:12.000 Yes sir.
01:17:13.000 Oh, back to Marcello.
01:17:15.000 Would he be someone that, I think personally as a Jiu Jitsu fan, you against Marcello would be the most interesting?
01:17:21.000 Like, if that was Metamorris?
01:17:23.000 Yeah.
01:17:23.000 Jesus.
01:17:24.000 Or Superfight EBI? Yeah, I would never call him out or anything.
01:17:27.000 You just don't have any right to.
01:17:29.000 No, it would be an amazing match.
01:17:30.000 I would love that matchup.
01:17:32.000 Rematch with Chrome?
01:17:33.000 Absolutely.
01:17:34.000 I ask for it all the time, but again, I can't really call Krohn out and he beat me. 0.64
01:17:37.000 I call him out in a sense like, hey, I want to fight you, but I would never talk shit about Krohn to try and get him to fight me because that's not fair. 0.68
01:17:45.000 What made that match was the finish. 0.85
01:17:47.000 That made that match, and it made the match for both of you.
01:17:51.000 It made the match so much more exciting than if you guys just went to a draw.
01:17:54.000 If you went to a stalemate at the end and maybe you were both clinched up with each other and it ended.
01:17:59.000 That would have not been as good.
01:18:00.000 That was a perfect example of what's possible at high level jujitsu.
01:18:04.000 It's so exciting.
01:18:06.000 The fact that he did submit you blew you up.
01:18:09.000 Yeah.
01:18:09.000 You know what I mean?
01:18:10.000 You put him in some terrible positions, man. 0.99
01:18:13.000 I mean, you had him in some bad spots where we were like, holy shit. 0.99
01:18:18.000 And, you know, Eddie and I went off about it when we watched the video. 0.98
01:18:21.000 Well, I was there live.
01:18:22.000 I went nuts live.
01:18:24.000 I was like, we were all going, oh, Oh!
01:18:25.000 Is he gonna beat Krohn?
01:18:27.000 Oh! 0.60
01:18:28.000 Oh! 0.60
01:18:29.000 And then one minute left or whatever it was.
01:18:32.000 Krohn, they broke you guys up.
01:18:34.000 He looked at Hickson.
01:18:35.000 There's a video of you explaining Gary and then we play the video of the fight on the internet.
01:18:40.000 It's on YouTube.
01:18:41.000 Yeah.
01:18:42.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:18:43.000 So it's cool that something like that exists, and I just think that we need to have more of those out there, and then eventually Hollywood people are going to go, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is wild shit. 0.98
01:18:53.000 Like, hold on. 0.97
01:18:54.000 Nobody has this locked down?
01:18:56.000 This isn't on television?
01:18:57.000 But the UFC has established a very firm, huge property in the UFC. That's what everybody connects with MMA. MMA equals UFC. And if you're fighting for Bellator, they go, oh, wow, you think you're going to be fighting for the UFC someday?
01:19:09.000 It's just what it is.
01:19:11.000 There's none of that with grappling.
01:19:13.000 It doesn't exist.
01:19:14.000 How many times have you heard a guy in 2000, 2001, 2002, guys that were already deeply into the UFC. We saw it in 93. It's 2000, 2001. Even to this day, you run into guys that aren't into it, and they go, yeah,
01:19:29.000 I've seen it a couple times.
01:19:30.000 Just a couple dudes rolling around. 1.00
01:19:32.000 It was uneventful for them.
01:19:33.000 For them, it was uneventful.
01:19:34.000 But when we saw it, what did we see?
01:19:37.000 What was the difference? 0.99
01:19:38.000 The difference was the fucking tournament. 0.99
01:19:40.000 The first one I saw was UFC 2. And that was a 16-man tournament. 0.99
01:19:44.000 Because it ends up being when you see one match at a time, it's like a documentary.
01:19:49.000 Maybe that first round, no one looks familiar. 0.98
01:19:52.000 But that second round, you're like, oh shit, that dude with the long hair against that ninja dude. 0.99
01:19:57.000 And then the semifinals, you're like, holy shit, how's that going to work out? 0.99
01:20:01.000 You just saw their career that night. 0.97
01:20:03.000 And then the finals, hoisting Patrick Smith, you're like...
01:20:07.000 Holy, I went from hating Hoist in the opening round, because he beat my karate guys, to rooting for him and just being his follower right there at that final.
01:20:16.000 Because Pat Smith was kind of a, you know, he was like a heel, even within that.
01:20:20.000 It was a movie.
01:20:21.000 That's why we got it.
01:20:23.000 The people that watched it back then got obsessed with it instantly.
01:20:27.000 It was the greatest thing ever.
01:20:29.000 If they would have been single matches and you didn't know those dudes, it would.
01:20:33.000 We wouldn't have that drama unfold.
01:20:36.000 There'd just be a bunch of single matches.
01:20:38.000 It's like a movie, right?
01:20:39.000 Exactly.
01:20:40.000 And you can't do that with MMA, but you can totally do that with Jiu-Jitsu.
01:20:45.000 And that's why Abu Dhabi is so special, because it's a bunch of 16-man brackets.
01:20:49.000 But the only thing that...
01:20:51.000 I think Abu Dhabi should have a 16-man bracket, have it like four days, like a whole week, where every day is a different one.
01:20:57.000 Because the way they do it now, it's like watching three movies at the same time.
01:21:01.000 You're not watching it unfold.
01:21:03.000 And then on the internet, you just watch a link of the finals, and then you go back and watch a semifinal.
01:21:08.000 It's like watching a movie in pieces, and you already know the ending.
01:21:12.000 But what Metamorris does is have a single fight.
01:21:16.000 Every fight is main stage.
01:21:18.000 There isn't three matches or 12 matches like the Mundial's.
01:21:21.000 It's one match at a time showcased, but it's not tournament style.
01:21:25.000 So what I'm trying to do is I took the best from Abu Dhabi and the best from Metamorris and try to combine it.
01:21:31.000 Metamorris, submission only, one match at a time.
01:21:34.000 And Abu Dhabi, the super 16-man brackets that are in themselves, if you watch it one by one, one at a time, center stage, it's mind-blowing when you watch it like that.
01:21:44.000 We need to watch it like that, in my opinion.
01:21:47.000 That's what made EBI 1 and EBI 2, which, I mean, Gary went and submitted everybody in the 16-man bracket.
01:21:52.000 Every dude, he ran through, and in the final, by the time he got to the final with him and Richie, Richie blew through everybody on his end of the bracket, so it was Richie and Gary...
01:22:02.000 Everyone was going nuts because they saw it unfold one at a time.
01:22:06.000 That's the secret.
01:22:07.000 That's a very good point.
01:22:08.000 You know, they're trying to do that with glory and I'm actually, I've been advising people against it.
01:22:13.000 I think it's a terrible idea for kickboxing.
01:22:15.000 And MMA, too much damage.
01:22:17.000 Too much damage.
01:22:17.000 People are going to get hurt and cut.
01:22:19.000 It's not going to work.
01:22:20.000 They're going to get KO'd.
01:22:21.000 That's the problem.
01:22:21.000 You get KO'd.
01:22:22.000 Sometimes you get KO'd and you still fight and win.
01:22:24.000 You get knocked out and you're still fighting on autopilot and then it's over.
01:22:28.000 Like, what happened?
01:22:29.000 You won.
01:22:29.000 You won a decision.
01:22:30.000 Like, what?
01:22:31.000 I've seen that happen with guys.
01:22:32.000 It's not safe.
01:22:33.000 Glory, they fought three times.
01:22:35.000 They had the last man standing tournament in L.A. We went to that, right?
01:22:38.000 You can't do that. 1.00
01:22:38.000 That shit, they fought three fucking times, man. 1.00
01:22:41.000 Kickboxing. 1.00
01:22:42.000 Crazy.
01:22:42.000 In the first fight, Joe Schilling had to fight four rounds because after the third round was a draw.
01:22:47.000 Yeah.
01:22:48.000 Jesus Christ.
01:22:49.000 That's how powerful tournaments are when you watch it.
01:22:51.000 It's so powerful that you might not be able to do it in kickboxing. 0.99
01:22:55.000 All this shit could go wrong. 0.96
01:22:56.000 It's risky, but the tournament is so exciting that if we could pull this off and no one gets hurt and we get lucky, it's a grand show that people are going to watch over. 0.99
01:23:06.000 And when you watch it from the beginning to end, you feel it.
01:23:09.000 It's a documentary.
01:23:10.000 That's a very good point, dude.
01:23:11.000 That's a very good point.
01:23:12.000 And I think if someone got a hold of that, someone who produces sports television, and realized that this is like an unsung property.
01:23:19.000 This is out there.
01:23:20.000 The sport is at a very high level right now.
01:23:22.000 Guys are very, very exciting, and no one has capitalized on it.
01:23:25.000 No one's put it on television, and no one's making money with it.
01:23:27.000 It could be giant.
01:23:28.000 They just don't know how to do it.
01:23:30.000 First of all, you've got to get rid of the points.
01:23:32.000 I put together EBI like if some old Jewish guy who owns some network... 1.00
01:23:37.000 I don't know about this martial arts stuff, but I like you, kid.
01:23:39.000 I'm going to give you one season.
01:23:41.000 I don't know about no jujatsu or anything.
01:23:43.000 I'm going to give you one season.
01:23:44.000 As soon as the ratings drop, it's out.
01:23:46.000 We got a deal? 1.00
01:23:47.000 Then you would go, oh shit, okay. 1.00
01:23:49.000 We got to get rid of the fucking gi. 1.00
01:23:51.000 We got to get rid of points. 0.99
01:23:53.000 And we got to have a tournament.
01:23:54.000 We got to see it unfold because that's what makes the Ultimate Fighter so awesome.
01:23:59.000 It's a tournament, although it doesn't happen in one day, but it's still a tournament.
01:24:03.000 You see the brackets unfolding.
01:24:04.000 Just like the March Madness.
01:24:06.000 I hate basketball, but I understand why there's tournaments.
01:24:10.000 You see it all unfolding.
01:24:11.000 You see the drama, you know, and that is what's missing from grappling.
01:24:16.000 That's why, in my opinion, that's why you can't get it on TV because in all the other formats, it's just too much stalling, too much holding.
01:24:22.000 We need Renato Laranja right now to dispute your claims, because right now you're talking crazy, disrespectful, sport of jiu-jitsu, and the gi is everything, my friend.
01:24:33.000 Without the gi, there is no life. 0.99
01:24:36.000 Let gi, let, no, let go, let gi. 0.89
01:24:40.000 That's one of his quotes.
01:24:41.000 There's nothing funnier than Brazilian misinterpretations of English. 0.85
01:24:45.000 I sent Eddie a picture of a t-shirt that I found in my closet way back in the day of a Waleed Ishmael, Valiji t-shirt. 0.97
01:24:53.000 What the fuck did it say on it? 0.93
01:24:55.000 It said, on the back, there's a cartoon picture. 0.99
01:24:58.000 Him, you know, he's all mean.
01:24:59.000 He's like, he's actually the nicest, sweetest guy ever.
01:25:02.000 Best guy ever.
01:25:02.000 All those mean looks, it's all him doing pro wrestling.
01:25:05.000 He's actually super sweet, super nice.
01:25:08.000 He'll take a picture, and then he'll be like a little kid going, let me see, let me see, ah!
01:25:11.000 And he'll look at his picture and be like, ah!
01:25:13.000 We got some classic ones from back in like 2004, 2003. Love that dude.
01:25:17.000 And he has this shirt where it's him standing there like a cartoon character and it says on the top, don't be coward, don't run off the fight.
01:25:31.000 Yes.
01:25:32.000 Don't be coward, don't run off the fight.
01:25:34.000 Nice.
01:25:35.000 Can you imagine?
01:25:36.000 Nice.
01:25:37.000 Can you imagine what...
01:25:39.000 When he turned in, like when he went to the t-shirt shop place, there's an American guy.
01:25:43.000 He's all, do you want to prove this?
01:25:45.000 No, you put it. 1.00
01:25:46.000 This is bullshit. 1.00
01:25:47.000 Put it now. 1.00
01:25:48.000 You do a shirt now.
01:25:49.000 He goes, okay, we're going to need some initials on this right here.
01:25:52.000 Initial right there and right there. 0.98
01:25:54.000 This guy's crazy. 1.00
01:25:55.000 Let's just print the damn shirt. 1.00
01:25:57.000 The dude's printing it. 1.00
01:25:59.000 We're like, boss.
01:26:01.000 Boss, come here.
01:26:02.000 I just want to make sure.
01:26:03.000 It says don't run off the fight.
01:26:04.000 We're cool with that? 0.79
01:26:06.000 Don't be coward. 0.99
01:26:07.000 Don't be coward. 0.99
01:26:08.000 Alrighty! 0.90
01:26:09.000 And he's just like...
01:26:11.000 I just want your approval here, an initial here.
01:26:14.000 Too bad he didn't tattoo it on himself.
01:26:16.000 I'm gonna get this on the video.
01:26:19.000 Now you, Mr. Ishmael, you realize what you have written here, and this is exactly how you would like it printed?
01:26:25.000 It goes to court, you know what I mean?
01:26:27.000 They do a selfie video with it.
01:26:29.000 I'm trying to find the picture.
01:26:30.000 I know I have it on my phone. 0.99
01:26:30.000 Wally tries to sue them and claims that they fucked up. 0.99
01:26:34.000 Yeah, this is not the true jiu-jitsu. 0.99
01:26:36.000 I never say run off the fight.
01:26:38.000 Run off the fight. 1.00
01:26:39.000 Who said stupid things like that? 1.00
01:26:41.000 It doesn't even make sense. 1.00
01:26:44.000 Yeah, that was a crazy match with him and Hoist. 1.00
01:26:46.000 Remember that shit on the beach in Rio? 0.99
01:26:48.000 They fought like with mats that were laid out in the sand. 1.00
01:26:51.000 Yes.
01:26:51.000 Everybody got sand in their eyes and their face.
01:26:54.000 There's fucking sand everywhere. 0.99
01:26:55.000 They slapped some mats down on the beach. 1.00
01:26:57.000 Hoist had big balls to take that match. 1.00
01:26:59.000 Fuck yeah, dude. 1.00
01:26:59.000 Because Waleed was fucking everyone up back then. 1.00
01:27:02.000 And Waleed, he got him in a clock choke. 0.99
01:27:04.000 Put him to sleep.
01:27:05.000 That's a weird thing to watch, too.
01:27:07.000 I can't believe they let him take that fight.
01:27:09.000 Because the general consensus...
01:27:12.000 In, like, night, like, after the UFC around, like, how good is Hoyce's jiu-jitsu for real?
01:27:18.000 And he was never, like, you know, a world champion or a national champion or anything like that.
01:27:23.000 Everybody knew that.
01:27:23.000 Everyone knew he had decent jiu-jitsu, but he wasn't lighting the world on fire.
01:27:28.000 So for him to take that Valid match, man, that showed he had gigantic balls because Valid was a destroyer.
01:27:35.000 Yeah, that's a hugely ballsy move.
01:27:37.000 And, you know, he got choked to sleep, which I think was very important for jiu-jitsu, just to show, like, everyone looked at Hoist Gracie, rightly so, as this massive innovator, this pioneer of jiu-jitsu and MMA, a hero.
01:27:51.000 This was after the UFC gets choked out, right?
01:27:53.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:27:53.000 Wow.
01:27:54.000 So he's a hero of jiu-jitsu, and then you go, okay, well, listen, there's guys out there that are another level.
01:28:00.000 They're another level above him, you know, and this is one of them.
01:28:03.000 Well, that's what he said about Hickson.
01:28:04.000 He said, well, I'm not actually that good.
01:28:06.000 Hickson's ten times better than me.
01:28:07.000 And then the Japanese went, oh, okay, you sure? 0.99
01:28:10.000 Okay, do you have his number?
01:28:12.000 I found it.
01:28:12.000 It's not a cartoon.
01:28:13.000 I thought it was a cartoon, too.
01:28:15.000 I found it.
01:28:15.000 It's actually a picture of him.
01:28:17.000 I thought it was a cartoon.
01:28:18.000 But we had more than one, Eddie.
01:28:20.000 There was more than one.
01:28:21.000 No, no, no.
01:28:22.000 This is the front.
01:28:23.000 It's the back.
01:28:24.000 You need the back of that.
01:28:25.000 Oh, the back of it as a cartoon?
01:28:26.000 Okay, let me see if I can find it.
01:28:27.000 No mercy, no rules, no pain. 1.00
01:28:29.000 Fuck you in the season. 1.00
01:28:31.000 This is a different one then, man. 1.00
01:28:33.000 This is the one that I found.
01:28:34.000 I feel like those three things don't go together.
01:28:35.000 I have the same shirt.
01:28:36.000 It's on the back.
01:28:37.000 100% I have it.
01:28:38.000 And he's in cartoon form, too, in the back. 0.99
01:28:41.000 All yoked and shit. 0.99
01:28:42.000 There was definitely more than one of those ridiculous shirts, though. 0.99
01:28:45.000 But that's why Hanato's shtick is so funny. 0.80
01:28:48.000 Because, you know, you think that he's actually being conservative.
01:28:52.000 Hanato's kind of conservative with his language.
01:28:55.000 He's, uh...
01:28:56.000 He's not a stick, man. 1.00
01:28:58.000 He's a real motherfucker, man. 1.00
01:29:00.000 Shtick. 1.00
01:29:00.000 Shtick. 1.00
01:29:02.000 S-H. No, no, no.
01:29:05.000 Shtick.
01:29:06.000 It's like his act.
01:29:08.000 It's not an act, though. 0.68
01:29:10.000 He's actually that cocky in real life.
01:29:12.000 People think that it's an act.
01:29:14.000 That he's like this super confident guy.
01:29:16.000 No, he really is like that.
01:29:17.000 Would you be willing to match him with the gi? 0.93
01:29:19.000 Because the gi is his strong suit.
01:29:21.000 I would never say anything bad about him, man.
01:29:24.000 He's always been nice to me. 1.00
01:29:25.000 Fuck it. 1.00
01:29:26.000 You know what I mean? 1.00
01:29:26.000 No comment. 1.00
01:29:27.000 You scared?
01:29:28.000 The video of him and Nate Diaz.
01:29:29.000 No comment.
01:29:30.000 When Nate Diaz was taking it serious. 1.00
01:29:32.000 Oh, shit, dude. 1.00
01:29:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00
01:29:33.000 Oh, my God. 1.00
01:29:34.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00
01:29:36.000 The first time I met him, I didn't know it was a joke either. 1.00
01:29:39.000 It's not a joke. 0.93
01:29:40.000 He's really that arrogant. 0.91
01:29:42.000 Everyone thinks he's just pretending to be arrogant.
01:29:47.000 I'm just showing my respect because, you know, he's done a lot for the sport.
01:29:51.000 So you said that someone was thinking about trying to turn submission grappling into a television show?
01:29:57.000 Like, who's trying to do it?
01:29:58.000 Oh, no, no, no.
01:29:59.000 I was just saying that people were trying to be like the UFC in the way that you were talking about how somebody would be fighting in Bellator.
01:30:07.000 It's like, oh, yeah, when are you going to be in UFC? People are trying to do that.
01:30:11.000 I've had multiple organizations now ask me to be exclusive to their organization.
01:30:16.000 For competing?
01:30:17.000 Yep.
01:30:18.000 Oh no!
01:30:20.000 Oh no, that's terrible!
01:30:23.000 So if they pay enough cash, if they're paying you enough money...
01:30:26.000 Yeah, I don't know about all that, man.
01:30:28.000 I'm in favor of...
01:30:30.000 Look, the big issue with MMA and the big issue with boxing has always been that.
01:30:35.000 Trying to get the best guys to be able to fight the best guys.
01:30:38.000 When you're exclusive for one promoter or exclusive for another promoter, it makes things super problematic.
01:30:43.000 Independent contracts for independent matches and no long-term commitment to things is the smart way to go for grapplers because if that gets established as the go-to, then it favors the grappler and then there's no advantage that the promoter has over the grappler.
01:30:57.000 The grappler could always find another promoter.
01:30:59.000 So if the promoters We're good to go.
01:31:19.000 It's the best thing to do, because I think if everybody just set that precedent and we created this market where the grapplers were the star.
01:31:28.000 Like, this is what's important.
01:31:29.000 If people want to see, you know, fill in the blank, Marcello Garcia versus Gary Tonin.
01:31:33.000 If people want to see that match, the real benefiters of that match, the benefactors of that match, should be Marcello Garcia and Gary Tonin.
01:31:40.000 And then, of course, some money should go to the promoter, you know, some money should, but...
01:31:45.000 The only thing that's exciting about submission grappling is the submission grapplers.
01:31:51.000 That's it.
01:31:51.000 Because if you're not selling that, you're selling air.
01:31:54.000 That's it.
01:31:54.000 That's all you got.
01:31:55.000 So if you're locked up to one organization, it also limits matches.
01:32:00.000 There's matches you can't make.
01:32:01.000 But what do you say about...
01:32:02.000 And it can only do a certain number of matches per year, right?
01:32:05.000 So what organization puts on 12 matches a year?
01:32:09.000 Right.
01:32:09.000 That's the same guy every match, every event.
01:32:12.000 What do you say?
01:32:13.000 I'm sure the promoter, whoever's doing this, I have no idea.
01:32:16.000 I'm sure he's probably saying to himself, hey, if we want to be as big as the UFC, we're going to do UFC-type stuff.
01:32:22.000 Exactly.
01:32:23.000 And it's just such a flawed mentality, I feel like, for the sport.
01:32:26.000 It's so young, and it's so tiny, and there's...
01:32:30.000 Very little money.
01:32:31.000 Every single one of these organizations, these professional organizations, EBI, Metamorris, Polaris, all these things that are popping up here and there, they're all doing amazing things for the sport.
01:32:40.000 They're broadening the audience for submission grappling.
01:32:43.000 It's so silly to think that you need to be just the guy.
01:32:46.000 Everybody is cross-promoting each other.
01:32:49.000 I like when my guys fight Metamorris.
01:32:52.000 For me, personally, my guys, Gio, Boogie, Nathan Orchard, my guys...
01:33:00.000 I'm trying to get him on Metamor's cards.
01:33:03.000 I'm texting Halleck. 1.00
01:33:05.000 Dude, how could you not want Gio Martinez on your fucking show? 0.99
01:33:08.000 He just blew through everybody in the Abu Dhabi trials, all within two minutes, tapped everybody, won EBI, won as a featherweight, won as a bantamweight, finished everybody. 0.99
01:33:17.000 How do you not want that guy?
01:33:18.000 I want guys to go.
01:33:20.000 I think you're dealing with a rational individual.
01:33:21.000 That's the problem.
01:33:22.000 Well, the people that are doing jujitsu, the people that are involved in jujitsu, if you're involved in these matches, if you're involved in competition, most likely, 99% of the time, you're making your money off of teaching, right?
01:33:34.000 Most of the people that are running these schools, that's where they're making their money.
01:33:37.000 So it's not like a situation where there's this giant piece of pie that everybody's battling over, so everybody wants dominance.
01:33:43.000 It's like it's beneficial for you to get your students into Metamorris because then they can highlight how good of a teacher you are.
01:33:50.000 It's good.
01:33:50.000 It's good for business.
01:33:51.000 It's good for everybody.
01:33:52.000 It's good for Metamorris.
01:33:55.000 It's good for EBI when he comes back because he'll never be exclusive.
01:33:58.000 He's always going to be an EBI. Always. 0.97
01:34:00.000 And so why would I want to keep him from Metamorris and back and forth?
01:34:04.000 I'd tell Alec, let's work together and let me blow up the guys and then ship them off to you.
01:34:12.000 I love Metamorris.
01:34:13.000 Everybody makes the most money that way.
01:34:15.000 And then we come back.
01:34:16.000 We bring them back over to EBI. I think this is the new way of thinking.
01:34:20.000 I think that this kind of exists in everything.
01:34:22.000 It exists in martial arts, where martial arts today, like here's a perfect example, where jiu-jitsu guys are constantly trading techniques with each other, constantly showing each other things.
01:34:32.000 The whole thing about martial arts in the old days, like in the 60s and the 70s, was how secret it was.
01:34:37.000 Yeah.
01:34:37.000 They had secret techniques, and they would hide from you these things.
01:34:40.000 You couldn't teach white people. 0.97
01:34:42.000 Remember Bruce Lee got in trouble for teaching white people?
01:34:44.000 Yeah.
01:34:44.000 It's like a big thing.
01:34:45.000 You couldn't teach Mexicans either. 1.00
01:34:47.000 You couldn't teach Westerners. 1.00
01:34:48.000 You couldn't teach Americans. 1.00
01:34:49.000 You know, they wanted to keep it within the Chinese culture.
01:34:52.000 Now it's the total opposite. 0.99
01:34:53.000 Now everybody's exchanging and everybody's just trying to find out what's the best shit, who's the best at this. 0.98
01:34:58.000 And you get guys together and you match them up with each other. 0.99
01:35:00.000 I mean, that's essentially the new thinking.
01:35:02.000 And it's the new thinking for everything.
01:35:04.000 And the fact that this is how it is right now so far with Jiu Jitsu, with professional submission grappling, is awesome.
01:35:11.000 That means it has a shot.
01:35:13.000 But as soon as someone comes along and buys the whole thing and then wants to put on only, like you said, 12 matches a year, like you compete, how often do you compete?
01:35:23.000 Once to twice a month.
01:35:25.000 Yeah, see, that's insane.
01:35:26.000 And that's one of the reasons why you're so good.
01:35:28.000 You're not just training all the time, you're throwing yourself into battle all the time.
01:35:33.000 I've seen quite a few of your matches online, and I saw the recent one where you, what's the guy's name, the leg lock specialist, the MMA guy?
01:35:40.000 Marcin Helb.
01:35:41.000 He's really good, man.
01:35:42.000 That was a really, really interesting fight.
01:35:45.000 That was really cool to watch.
01:35:46.000 He was probably one of the most game people that showed up to that show.
01:35:49.000 He was prepared.
01:35:50.000 I felt it.
01:35:51.000 I could see it.
01:35:52.000 He was there.
01:35:55.000 He showed up for that match.
01:35:56.000 And for MMA, his jiu-jitsu technique is stellar.
01:35:59.000 It's really high level.
01:36:00.000 You talk about leg locks at work in MMA and leg lockers that are having success.
01:36:05.000 Husumar Pahar is the number one guy.
01:36:08.000 Imanari back in the day when he used to go for leg locks a lot.
01:36:11.000 Now he really doesn't.
01:36:12.000 He's still awesome.
01:36:13.000 And then you say, oh, that's right, Marcin Held.
01:36:16.000 Because he'll pull guard, just like Husumar, right into heel hooks. 0.88
01:36:20.000 Right, yeah.
01:36:21.000 But the performance that really impressed me, your two performances in Metamorris, man, when you went against Kit Dale and you didn't even leg lock him.
01:36:33.000 You guillotined him.
01:36:33.000 That setup was so beautiful.
01:36:35.000 That's a crazy setup, man.
01:36:36.000 Your arm was in such a weird position when you guys were in a scramble.
01:36:40.000 And in Metamorris, the whole...
01:36:42.000 Metamorris is in a constant...
01:36:47.000 Struggle with how do we put together exciting fights?
01:36:52.000 That's what it's all about.
01:36:53.000 As soon as the show comes out, everyone on the internet goes, boring, boring.
01:36:56.000 Oh, this one was great, or boring.
01:36:58.000 It's always like, hmm. 0.98
01:36:59.000 So if you have a boring match, people on the internet are gonna fucking flame you. 0.93
01:37:03.000 That's why everybody was mad at Brendan Shaw. 0.89
01:37:05.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:37:06.000 And maybe the last...
01:37:08.000 I like them whether they're boring or not.
01:37:09.000 I like the whole atmosphere.
01:37:10.000 I like going to Metal Morris and hanging out. 0.96
01:37:12.000 I fucking love it. 0.97
01:37:14.000 It's high level. 0.98
01:37:15.000 There's a lot of money behind it.
01:37:17.000 I wish I had that kind of money behind EBI. And then it would be on like Donkey Kong.
01:37:21.000 But it's beautiful.
01:37:23.000 It's beautiful.
01:37:23.000 I love Metal Morris.
01:37:24.000 I love it.
01:37:25.000 Even if the matches are boring, I love it.
01:37:26.000 Because then I talk to the guy next to me.
01:37:28.000 You know what I mean?
01:37:28.000 Yeah.
01:37:30.000 He's just there to chill. 1.00
01:37:31.000 That guy's just trying to watch the matches and anyone shut the fuck up his eyes and shit. 0.99
01:37:35.000 Yo, dude, if you have these nachos, they're outstanding. 0.99
01:37:38.000 Dude, everybody...
01:37:39.000 You know, the boring matches, when the gi matches come on, dude, look around at Metamorphs. 1.00
01:37:42.000 Everybody is on Facebook and on Instagram going, boring, yawn.
01:37:46.000 Everybody is, like, communicating right during the match.
01:37:49.000 It's incredible.
01:37:50.000 Yeah, it's weird.
01:37:51.000 But...
01:37:51.000 But...
01:37:52.000 In the middle of all that...
01:37:55.000 He's just saving show after show because his matches, he goes out and just finishes them.
01:37:59.000 Everyone says boring show except for Gary Tonin.
01:38:02.000 Get Gary Tonin with two R's and Kit Dale.
01:38:06.000 See if you can find that.
01:38:08.000 And then that Zach Maxwell match.
01:38:11.000 Dude, man, you just, you, without you right now, man, without you, Metal Morris would be, woo, you're keeping Metal Morris afloat.
01:38:21.000 Because it's just boring match after boring match.
01:38:23.000 Again, I love jiu-jitsu.
01:38:25.000 I understand boring matches.
01:38:26.000 I think you've got to get, I told Halleck, don't, he doesn't want to go pure no-gi because he feels like it's disrespectful to.
01:38:33.000 Disrespect.
01:38:34.000 The spirit of jiu-jitsu.
01:38:35.000 I told him, I go, do what Abu Dhabi does.
01:38:38.000 You don't make the decision.
01:38:40.000 Let the fighters make the decision.
01:38:41.000 You can wear anything you want.
01:38:43.000 And you know what? 1.00
01:38:43.000 When they have that decision, no one wears shit. 1.00
01:38:45.000 All the guys that love the gi, they take it the fuck off. 1.00
01:38:48.000 You love the gi, that's how Abu Dhabi is. 0.98
01:38:50.000 Abu Dhabi, you can wear a gi.
01:38:52.000 You can wear Aikido pants.
01:38:55.000 You can wear anything you want.
01:38:56.000 Dude, come in with some...
01:38:58.000 At the last Abu Dhabi, the one that you were at, there was this Japanese fighter in a blue Superman outfit.
01:39:03.000 Remember that guy?
01:39:04.000 People loved him.
01:39:05.000 He showed up in several costumes.
01:39:07.000 He's like, Spider-Man, Superman.
01:39:09.000 So if you do that, the promoter gets off the hook.
01:39:13.000 Say, I want him to wear whatever they want.
01:39:16.000 You know what?
01:39:16.000 Nobody would wear a key.
01:39:17.000 I think it comes down to what Joe said before.
01:39:19.000 A huge advantage for the guy.
01:39:20.000 You have all these handles and weapons.
01:39:22.000 You'd be wearing the weapon around your neck.
01:39:23.000 And the other dude goes straight Marco Huas.
01:39:26.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:39:27.000 Straight fucking those bikini briefs they wear in Paris. 1.00
01:39:29.000 Those little tiny ones. 1.00
01:39:30.000 In Pride, you can wear anything you want.
01:39:32.000 In Pride, all Jiu Jitsu guys go to Pride.
01:39:34.000 The only one who's wearing a gi is Yoshida.
01:39:36.000 Yeah, Yoshida.
01:39:37.000 And he wasn't even Jiu Jitsu.
01:39:38.000 But all the other Brazilians, they're wearing those bikinis that they wear on the beach. 1.00
01:39:42.000 They're shaving their legs.
01:39:44.000 They're greasing them up.
01:39:45.000 And even Hoist took the gi off.
01:39:47.000 Remember?
01:39:47.000 Hoist started wearing the gi pants when he fought Aki Bono.
01:39:50.000 Yep.
01:39:51.000 Gi pants, no top.
01:39:52.000 Yep.
01:39:52.000 And here it is in Metamorris.
01:39:54.000 Pow.
01:39:56.000 Halleck, please don't sue us for this.
01:39:58.000 We're trying to pump up Metamorris.
01:39:59.000 No need to get crazy.
01:40:01.000 This is the match that made Kid Dale lift weights.
01:40:03.000 I follow his Instagram. 1.00
01:40:05.000 He's fucking jacked now. 1.00
01:40:07.000 He was jacked during this. 1.00
01:40:09.000 Everybody kept telling me how much bigger than me he was going to be. 0.87
01:40:12.000 Don't get me wrong.
01:40:13.000 He was very big, but now he's giant.
01:40:15.000 Have you seen the pictures of him on his Instagram? 0.99
01:40:17.000 Holy shit. 1.00
01:40:18.000 That guy's swole the fuck up now. 1.00
01:40:21.000 Damn, you made him lift weights. 1.00
01:40:23.000 If you look at his Instagram, why are you looking at funny like someone said something stupid? 1.00
01:40:28.000 What's that? 0.99
01:40:28.000 Like when they're introducing you, you're like... 0.99
01:40:30.000 Because they called me a five-time Nogi World Champion, which is not true.
01:40:35.000 So...
01:40:36.000 How dare they?
01:40:37.000 I was just confused.
01:40:40.000 How annoying.
01:40:41.000 Chris Howder.
01:40:42.000 Whose idea was that?
01:40:43.000 We met together.
01:40:44.000 I don't know, man.
01:40:45.000 Chris Howder's an old school black belt man.
01:40:47.000 Old school Machado lineage.
01:40:49.000 He's been around a long time.
01:40:50.000 It's cool to see that he's refereeing this. 1.00
01:40:54.000 Yeah, our video sucks a fat dick today. 1.00
01:40:56.000 Dude, I love that rolling under. 1.00
01:40:58.000 Let's try to do the Iminari roll. 0.97
01:40:59.000 What's that?
01:40:59.000 Cut to a little skyline view for a minute.
01:41:01.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99
01:41:02.000 Who's running their app? 1.00
01:41:03.000 Who's running the operating board?
01:41:06.000 Oh, man.
01:41:06.000 So you pull half guard here immediately.
01:41:08.000 Yeah.
01:41:09.000 Kittsdale's on top of you.
01:41:12.000 And what are you trying to establish here when you're doing this? 1.00
01:41:14.000 What's your go-to shit? 0.99
01:41:16.000 Kimora's from here, or I'm probably trying to come underneath him for a leg lock. 1.00
01:41:20.000 So you're playing it light here, real relaxed, no one's going crazy yet.
01:41:25.000 You guys got a long match, right?
01:41:27.000 It's like a 20-minute match.
01:41:29.000 So when you have a match like this, are you really consciously budgeting your time and your energy?
01:41:37.000 A little bit.
01:41:38.000 You use your energy efficiently.
01:41:40.000 I'll use my energy when I feel like it's going to help me attack, you know what I mean?
01:41:44.000 I'm not going to use energy just to push and pull.
01:41:46.000 I'm going to use it to make sure I'm not in danger or to make sure my opponents are in danger.
01:41:50.000 So now you're going after his leg. 0.99
01:41:51.000 Damn, man, that's a beautiful... 1.00
01:41:52.000 What the fuck, Jamie? 1.00
01:41:54.000 My outside heel hook at this point wasn't very good. 1.00
01:41:58.000 My form there is a little off.
01:42:00.000 That's a nasty transition.
01:42:02.000 There's definitely some things that I could have done a hell of a lot.
01:42:04.000 That looks deep.
01:42:07.000 That looks terrifying.
01:42:08.000 He's rolling here.
01:42:09.000 He looks okay. 0.99
01:42:11.000 Damn, Kit Dale gets out. 0.99
01:42:13.000 How dare he? 1.00
01:42:14.000 How dare you, Kit Dale?
01:42:16.000 It looked like you had everything you needed. 1.00
01:42:18.000 This is your go-to shit, huh? 1.00
01:42:19.000 Outside heel hooks need to be perfect for them to work, man. 1.00
01:42:22.000 There's just so much detail.
01:42:24.000 Yeah, man.
01:42:25.000 Back in half.
01:42:27.000 Awesome camera work, Matamoros.
01:42:29.000 Save on lights.
01:42:34.000 Kit's a very good passer.
01:42:36.000 Very good.
01:42:37.000 He actually showed up to my gym right before this.
01:42:39.000 Yeah, I heard he was training with you guys.
01:42:41.000 And, coincidentally, dude, we were working on your show.
01:42:44.000 We were coincidentally working on your show.
01:42:46.000 I wasn't trying to...
01:42:47.000 That's what he was saying.
01:42:49.000 Oh, yeah, they were trying to...
01:42:50.000 That's all we were doing for a while.
01:42:51.000 And he showed up and he's fighting Gary Tonin.
01:42:53.000 I'm like, I'm not going to change my...
01:42:56.000 I got to show this to my students.
01:42:58.000 So I apologize for that.
01:42:59.000 No, it's all good, man.
01:43:00.000 It was not on purpose.
01:43:02.000 It was not on purpose.
01:43:03.000 I actually never met him.
01:43:04.000 He just showed up to my gym.
01:43:05.000 Really nice guy.
01:43:06.000 Cool dude.
01:43:06.000 I ended up following him on Instagram and all that stuff.
01:43:09.000 Yeah, he's a funny dude.
01:43:11.000 I'm sure we were showing kindergarten stuff compared to what you guys know.
01:43:15.000 What happened, Jamie?
01:43:16.000 I doubt it. 0.94
01:43:17.000 Is it the computer fucking up? 0.97
01:43:19.000 Yeah. 0.69
01:43:20.000 So we get back up to the feet, and then I drilled this with my wrestling coach for, you know, we do this all the time.
01:43:25.000 We still drill it.
01:43:26.000 Just establishing the underhook from collar ties and hitting a good snap down from here.
01:43:31.000 So you get a good snap down, get control of the head.
01:43:33.000 Now he tries to duck, and then I just follow it.
01:43:35.000 And now my hands aren't connected yet.
01:43:38.000 And then I'm trying to connect my hands to finally get it.
01:43:42.000 Once the hands get connected, he tries to struggle out a couple more times and finally sinks in deep.
01:43:48.000 I can't believe we can't see this.
01:43:49.000 Jamie, we gotta deal with that today, okay?
01:43:52.000 This is annoying.
01:43:54.000 This is the one time where it'd be really nice to have video.
01:43:56.000 I can get Zach to help you, Jamie.
01:44:02.000 Yeah, whatever.
01:44:03.000 We gotta take care of that.
01:44:04.000 Can you play it at all or we're done?
01:44:07.000 Man, right at the sweet spot.
01:44:14.000 What's happening, Jamie?
01:44:15.000 There it is.
01:44:16.000 There it goes.
01:44:17.000 And he already tapped.
01:44:18.000 Perfect.
01:44:19.000 Okay, back it up a little bit.
01:44:22.000 So this is the part where you don't have your hands connected yet?
01:44:25.000 Yeah.
01:44:25.000 You just have your arm.
01:44:26.000 He ducked hard so my hands were separated.
01:44:29.000 And then I connect and finally get that crunch in on the neck.
01:44:31.000 You got it from half guard here, huh?
01:44:33.000 Yeah.
01:44:34.000 Arm in or marcelotene?
01:44:35.000 It's high elbow guillotine.
01:44:38.000 And you catch this from half guard all the time? 0.98
01:44:41.000 Yeah.
01:44:41.000 Well, I don't set it up from half guard, but I end up in half guard for the finish, for sure.
01:44:45.000 And then we come up a little bit, we reset it, boom.
01:44:49.000 Wow.
01:44:50.000 You got a full mouth.
01:44:51.000 Yeah, that's a marcelotene.
01:44:52.000 Or you guys call it high elbow.
01:44:53.000 High elbow, but yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:44:54.000 I mean, Marcello uses it, yeah.
01:44:56.000 So you finish in full guard with his arm trapped?
01:44:59.000 Was his left arm trapped?
01:45:01.000 I didn't see that.
01:45:03.000 I'd have to watch it again.
01:45:04.000 I don't know if I intentionally trapped it. 1.00
01:45:06.000 Damn, son. 1.00
01:45:07.000 That guillotine right there, man, that was huge. 1.00
01:45:11.000 Seeing Marcello hit it all the time.
01:45:12.000 The only reason I called it Marcellotine, I didn't know it was called High Elbow Guillotine.
01:45:16.000 I'm sure there was a name, but I just stuck with Marcellotine so that in the 10th Planet system, every time that comes up, and it's so crucial, it's a part of our warm-ups.
01:45:27.000 I want Marcelo to make sure he gets credit, because no one's had more success with it than anybody.
01:45:32.000 I would say, because of that success, he's probably the best at it.
01:45:36.000 I've seen him run through black belts.
01:45:39.000 I've seen him run through a high-level black belt 10 times in 10 minutes with the same guillotine. 0.71
01:45:44.000 It's a key technique, man.
01:45:45.000 John was preaching to me to get good at that technique for so long, and I sucked at it forever.
01:45:50.000 It takes a long time.
01:45:52.000 How are you connecting your hands?
01:45:53.000 I just grab, so when I grab like mid, so I go down past the pinky in between the wrist and the pinky bone and just grab my hand.
01:46:02.000 Always left hand over the right hand?
01:46:03.000 No, I've hit some on the left side in competition.
01:46:05.000 I've gone the opposite direction.
01:46:06.000 But in terms of like, if I'm finishing on the right side, yeah, left hand over right.
01:46:10.000 I've seen people hit it like this.
01:46:12.000 I've seen people do it with ten finger grips.
01:46:15.000 The difference between those, what Marcelo told me, is this feels so much easier for me, but what Marcelo says, and Danny does it this way too, Marcel, we went over it.
01:46:28.000 He said, he does it like this as opposed to this because the guy underneath is going to come up and reach and grab.
01:46:35.000 And if he gets in between these two hands here, his fingers are going to come up.
01:46:39.000 He can wreck the grip.
01:46:41.000 You've got to beat the grip.
01:46:42.000 But if he comes up here and I come this way, it doesn't matter if he grabs the inside.
01:46:47.000 That's how Marcel, dudes think they're doing the right thing.
01:46:49.000 They're going, boom, and they still get choked.
01:46:50.000 They're going, boom, and they still get choked because he's coming around it instead of here.
01:46:54.000 Hmm, I see.
01:46:55.000 Yeah, so that makes sense.
01:46:57.000 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense There's a bunch of different what we're talking about for people don't know if you're listening to especially there's a bunch of different ways to hold your hands with different submissions and that's one of the interesting things about jujitsu is that there's there's little tweaks that you learn little turns and twists yeah,
01:47:12.000 like Einstein always likes to call it freedom rock and You know that one guillotine?
01:47:17.000 You ever seen that commercial for Freedom Rock?
01:47:19.000 It's a ridiculous commercial for one of those compilation records that you would buy. 0.79
01:47:26.000 Turn it up, man! 0.57
01:47:27.000 The turning it up is Freedom Rock.
01:47:29.000 The turning your hand to the side and forcing the blade of your wrist into someone's neck.
01:47:35.000 He basically named the Squeeze of the Darce.
01:47:39.000 There wasn't a name for what you're technically doing.
01:47:43.000 So he named it, and it's a good name.
01:47:45.000 It's a great name.
01:47:45.000 It's Freedom Rock.
01:47:46.000 Just to remind you that it's not just figure four in your arms.
01:47:50.000 You've got to turn it in and squeeze.
01:47:53.000 It's a smart thing.
01:47:54.000 It is a smart thing, and it's cool that there's those little technical things about jiu-jitsu, and for people that get involved in it and start realizing, like, from the outside, you look at it one way, and then you get involved in it, and you start seeing all the depth to it.
01:48:06.000 That's where all the jiu-jitsu nerds come into place, because that's...
01:48:09.000 Where it doesn't seem to jive.
01:48:11.000 People are like, well, how come these really computer-oriented, nerdy kind of dudes are so in love with jiu-jitsu?
01:48:17.000 Well, you know, like Donaher always talks about, there's a video that we were talking about earlier that they were playing on the underground with him talking about it being high-level problem-solving under stress.
01:48:28.000 And that's what's exciting about people who are, maybe they would be into video games, or maybe they'd be into chess, or maybe they'd be into all sorts of problem-solving type things.
01:48:37.000 But you get, doing it in real time, the rush of success is so much better.
01:48:42.000 Like, the rush of winning a chess match, I'm sure is great.
01:48:45.000 But do you think it's as good as you choking Kit Dale?
01:48:47.000 Hell no. 1.00
01:48:47.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00
01:48:48.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99
01:48:50.000 There's no way. 0.97
01:48:50.000 It's not even possible. 0.97
01:48:52.000 You know, that rush is the ultimate rush.
01:48:54.000 That's the you're dead rush.
01:48:55.000 This is not like a bang, bang, you're dead in a virtual sense when you're a quake character.
01:49:00.000 This is like you're playing death.
01:49:03.000 Yeah, somebody overlaid some of your podcast over some, like, jujitsu video, some reel, about, like, you talking about submissions and, like, what submissions really are or what a tap really is.
01:49:12.000 And you're like, oh, yeah, I just possibly killed you right there. 0.89
01:49:14.000 Yeah, you're killing dudes. 1.00
01:49:15.000 You killed Kid Dale. 0.99
01:49:16.000 How dare you? 0.99
01:49:17.000 You killed Kenny. 1.00
01:49:20.000 It's also beautiful for people that are practicing it that you could kill a guy like that and look, he's fine afterwards. 0.97
01:49:25.000 You're holding his hand up.
01:49:27.000 He's fine.
01:49:28.000 I mean, his neck was probably sore the next day.
01:49:29.000 But other than that, he's fine.
01:49:31.000 He didn't get knocked out.
01:49:33.000 He didn't get beat up.
01:49:34.000 So it's almost like a more ethical form of combat entertainment if somebody was going to put it on television.
01:49:39.000 Sure, sure.
01:49:39.000 I think?
01:49:54.000 Way, way, way, way, way, way, way safer.
01:49:59.000 Yeah, absolutely.
01:49:59.000 Way safer long-term for the participants.
01:50:02.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:50:02.000 And you could still, like, you watch that match, man, that's exciting shit. 0.99
01:50:06.000 I dare anybody who knows nothing about jujitsu, just watch Gary Tonin versus Kit Dale and watch it with an open mind and watch those transitions that you're going through and you realize, like, whoa, this is a, they're doing a crazy thing here.
01:50:19.000 They're like, they're, like, Helston Gracie, I had Steve Maxwell on the podcast the other day, and Helston Gracie, somebody asked him to describe jiu-jitsu, and I guess his English is not the best in the world.
01:50:29.000 He's got a little bit of an accent.
01:50:31.000 He goes, this is jiu-jitsu.
01:50:33.000 You do this, then I do that, then you do this, then I do that, forever. 0.99
01:50:39.000 Isn't that the dopest fucking answer? 0.98
01:50:42.000 I mean, that is kind of what it is in a way. 1.00
01:50:45.000 Until one of us almost dies.
01:50:46.000 Yeah.
01:50:46.000 You do this, then I do that.
01:50:48.000 Or theoretically dies.
01:50:49.000 Or keep it up until you can't keep it up anymore, and then that guy beats you. 0.99
01:50:52.000 It's a super hyper way of killing someone and breaking their limbs.
01:50:56.000 John Danaher, remember we hung out with him that one night? 0.90
01:50:59.000 He said, if you look at it, Striking is the least intelligent way of taking someone out.
01:51:07.000 Grappling, that's the most intelligent way.
01:51:09.000 Striking is the most caveman way of fighting.
01:51:12.000 Just keep hitting each other's heads over and over until someone goes down.
01:51:16.000 When grappling is like, let me take this guy down and scientifically put him to sleep and get the hell out of here.
01:51:22.000 That is true, but in a situation where you can't grapple with someone, like, if you're in a street fight, would you want to be in a street fight with Marcelo Garcia in a bar, or would you want to be in a street fight with John Wayne Parr? 0.99
01:51:35.000 John Wayne Parr is going to be head kicking motherfuckers and putting people in the hospital with elbows to the face. 0.98
01:51:40.000 Like, you try to get close to that dude, you're going to get your head smashed in. 1.00
01:51:43.000 Yeah.
01:51:44.000 John always talks about striking as, like, an ability to do...
01:51:47.000 Crazy amounts of damage in such a short period of time.
01:51:51.000 So there's clearly pluses and minuses to both.
01:51:53.000 In real life situations, absolutely.
01:51:55.000 You don't want to just go to the ground.
01:51:57.000 If you have striking skills, I wish I was a kickboxer.
01:51:59.000 It would be nice to be able to have the confidence to throw.
01:52:03.000 You know, you could take three dudes out if your striking is good enough. 1.00
01:52:06.000 If you time it perfectly, you could take three dudes out. 0.99
01:52:10.000 Dudes who don't know and they fuck with Melvin Manhoof in a bar. 0.98
01:52:13.000 First guy's asleep, and then there's two guys left. 1.00
01:52:16.000 One guy runs, says fuck that, and then it's one-on-one, and that guy's dead. 1.00
01:52:19.000 He's dead. 1.00
01:52:20.000 He's dead.
01:52:21.000 Or Badr Hari.
01:52:21.000 Badr Hari, apparently, one of the reasons why...
01:52:24.000 He was in jail more than once, I think. 0.99
01:52:26.000 Beating the fuck out of people. 0.92
01:52:28.000 One of the reasons why he's in jail, they took this guy's leg, and they stomped it, and snapped his shin in half. 1.00
01:52:34.000 And this guy's fucked. 0.99
01:52:35.000 Like, the wrong dude to fuck with, you know, in a street confrontation. 1.00
01:52:41.000 So, I'd say both sides... 0.99
01:52:43.000 It's good.
01:52:44.000 You can get super high level and striking.
01:52:47.000 It is intelligent.
01:52:48.000 It's more intelligent than wrestling with somebody.
01:52:51.000 If you're in a bar and a bunch of other people around and you're in a melee type situation, if you can be a John Donaher, look, you could protect yourself for sure.
01:53:00.000 John is an excellent black belt.
01:53:02.000 Anybody that goes one-on-one with him is just going to get mangled.
01:53:05.000 Some untrained person doesn't know any better.
01:53:09.000 I'll be willing to bet that even multiple people that are trying to attack John had some trouble as a bouncer for many years of his life.
01:53:16.000 He's had to deal with a lot of that.
01:53:17.000 He would use you as a shield. 0.59
01:53:19.000 Start using your arms to beat other people senseless with.
01:53:22.000 But the point being, it's not unintelligent to have a John Wayne Parr skill set.
01:53:27.000 No, there's definitely an intelligent way to use striking, obviously.
01:53:31.000 Or Badr Hari.
01:53:32.000 Hey, I didn't say that.
01:53:33.000 I was just throwing Danaher under the bus. 1.00
01:53:37.000 I didn't say it.
01:53:39.000 That's pretty much what me and Eddie feel like we're doing all the time.
01:53:42.000 Just completely misconstruing everything he's ever said to us and just ruining all of it.
01:53:46.000 There's no either or, because there's a lot of intelligence and there's a lot of technique to high-level striking.
01:53:52.000 If you watch those Lawrence Kenshin breakdowns or the Jack Slack breakdowns on the underground, he goes over the real technical process of why Bullcat or Yotsin Klai, one of the really high-level Thai guys, why they're so good. 0.98
01:54:05.000 There's a lot of shit going on. 0.99
01:54:07.000 Absolutely. 1.00
01:54:08.000 It just looks like they're smashing each other with their bones, but note how one guy keeps getting smashed and the other guy does all the smashing.
01:54:14.000 Yes. 1.00
01:54:15.000 And I know guys that are dumb as shit and amazing at jiu-jitsu. 1.00
01:54:23.000 I know some really dumb dudes. 1.00
01:54:25.000 Well, they're super strong. 1.00
01:54:27.000 And they're good.
01:54:27.000 They're so good, I can't say anything.
01:54:31.000 You might tap me out.
01:54:33.000 I'm excited about jujitsu right now.
01:54:34.000 I think this is like one of the best times for it ever because of all the people talking about on the internet and all these online communities that have formed.
01:54:42.000 It seems to me like jujitsu has a lot of enthusiasm behind it right now.
01:54:45.000 It's because it's submission only.
01:54:47.000 The Gracie Nationals and Gracie Worlds.
01:54:49.000 They proved, Rose Gracie proved that you can do submission only, because before that, it was submission only. 1.00
01:54:56.000 A submission only match was like a dream, like a fantasy.
01:55:00.000 What if?
01:55:01.000 What if?
01:55:02.000 Gracie Nationals, Gracie Worlds made it work, and then Meadow Morris did the whole prestigious single match UFC type event. 1.00
01:55:11.000 What do you think Abu Dhabi should do?
01:55:13.000 Because that's where all the money is, right?
01:55:14.000 That guy has more money than anybody on the planet.
01:55:16.000 I think they should do submission only EBI rules.
01:55:19.000 That's what I think.
01:55:20.000 Not because I made it up.
01:55:21.000 I personally think.
01:55:23.000 I'm constantly changing.
01:55:24.000 Like the overtime, I'm tweaking it.
01:55:26.000 I'm trying to make it.
01:55:27.000 As soon as someone says, what about if a dude does this in overtime? 0.99
01:55:30.000 I'm like, oh shit, we've got to change. 0.99
01:55:31.000 I had a long conversation with John Danner about a month ago about the overtimes. 0.99
01:55:35.000 What do we do right here?
01:55:36.000 I'm not going to be one of those guys that's going to see a glaring problem.
01:55:40.000 I'm going to do what the Japanese do. 1.00
01:55:42.000 Someone presents a problem, they go, oh shit, let's make it better. 0.99
01:55:44.000 I'm going to switch it. 0.99
01:55:46.000 So...
01:55:48.000 Anyways...
01:55:49.000 The Sheikh of Abu Dhabi has the most influence, the most enthusiasm.
01:55:54.000 I mean, he is a henzo black belt.
01:55:56.000 That's the guy.
01:55:57.000 You know, if anybody's going to take...
01:55:59.000 Shake Talk Noon is the guy who's going to take this and make it mainstream.
01:56:01.000 I think he should do each tournament on a separate day.
01:56:04.000 Make it like a week thing.
01:56:06.000 Every day, a different...
01:56:07.000 Just one movie that you see.
01:56:08.000 Or maybe two a day.
01:56:09.000 You see it one at a time.
01:56:11.000 You stream it.
01:56:12.000 You know, you do it one at a time.
01:56:14.000 To me...
01:56:16.000 I knew, I had a feeling it was gonna be that powerful when you watch it unfold, but when we actually did EBI 1 and 2, man, it was incredible.
01:56:25.000 The people that were there were coming up to me and saying constantly, and I mean they were saying that was the best Jiu-Jitsu tournament they've ever seen.
01:56:32.000 It's only because they saw it that way, one match at a time.
01:56:35.000 By the time they got to Gio Martinez and Jeff Glover in the final, triple overtime, the place went nuts!
01:56:43.000 Do you think it's possible to do something like this and stream it, like a Netflix service where a bunch of people already have the service and all they have to do is just click on it?
01:56:52.000 You know, or an Apple TV type deal where a lot of people already have, like if you get access to Netflix, you get access to 70 million homes.
01:57:00.000 And there's still people that, for whatever reason, they don't have the ability to get the internet on their TV, so you don't get them. 0.96
01:57:08.000 But the people that do, the people that have internet connected to their TV, a lot of fucking people have Netflix, man.
01:57:13.000 So much so that they're sponsoring television shows. 0.95
01:57:16.000 They're making their own shows. 0.98
01:57:17.000 They got this Marco Polo show that's pretty fucking dope, dude. 0.97
01:57:20.000 And it's like a really expensive show. 0.98
01:57:23.000 Like, you could tell they spent a lot of money making this thing.
01:57:25.000 I'm down to take EBI to the ultimate heights.
01:57:28.000 I just want...
01:57:29.000 I want jiu-jitsu on TV. There's no reason why we can't have jiu-jitsu on TV. We have dog frisbee.
01:57:35.000 We have all this crazy...
01:57:36.000 Dog frisbee?
01:57:36.000 Dude's pulling tractor trailers with their teeth.
01:57:39.000 Come on.
01:57:39.000 You can't put Metal Morris on TV. You can't put Abu Dhabi on TV. I think it's really simple.
01:57:45.000 It's got to be submission only.
01:57:47.000 It's got to be no gi if it's going to be on TV. You ain't going to put gi on TV. You have a better chance of putting chess on TV. Yeah, I agree with you with that. 0.99
01:57:54.000 There's just a lot of matches that wind up being stalemates where they're holding onto the collar.
01:57:57.000 And it's also, as much as it's an interesting learning tool, and it's great to learn that if you get in a fight with someone who's got a winter coat on, the reality is when we're looking at sport, like combat sport, we're looking at jiu-jitsu, we're looking at jiu-jitsu and MMA... They should be interchangeable,
01:58:15.000 and they're not.
01:58:16.000 They're not interchangeable when you have a gi. 0.99
01:58:18.000 They are when you have no gi.
01:58:19.000 So it seems pretty cut and dry, straightforward.
01:58:22.000 I mean, I think if someone just wants to do jujitsu in the gi, it's fun to do.
01:58:25.000 It's great.
01:58:26.000 It's a great way to do it.
01:58:27.000 It's a good way to slow the game down.
01:58:28.000 You know, a lot of older guys like it, especially because of that reason.
01:58:31.000 It's like chess.
01:58:32.000 Chess is a great game to play.
01:58:34.000 You have to be really smart.
01:58:35.000 It's fun to play, but you're not going to put it on Fox anytime soon.
01:58:40.000 Nothing wrong with jujitsu with the gi, but I agree that for no gi, the difference between no gi and gi is it just smoothly transitions into MMA. Except for a few variables like the getting punched when you're going for leg locks and stuff.
01:58:54.000 The UFC is the hottest rising sport on the planet.
01:58:57.000 There's millions and millions and millions of fans all over the world that are the rabid fans of the UFC. There's no reason why there can't be one million of those fans that are into no gi jujitsu because really it's the same thing just without the striking.
01:59:09.000 On the ground, it's the same objective.
01:59:12.000 They're in the same positions.
01:59:14.000 Standing, there's no striking, but if you love MMA, you should be able to appreciate some good grappling as long as it's exciting, the format's right, there's no points, and it's single matches.
01:59:27.000 There's no reason why you can't get a fraction of all those UFC fans.
01:59:31.000 Realistically, I'm lowballing.
01:59:33.000 If it's done right and marketed right, I believe you can get 25%.
01:59:39.000 I could see there being some sort of a cable television show where they do it, like a Spike TV. Spike TV has Friday night, they have all combat sports now.
01:59:49.000 They have boxing, they're having glory, and then they have Bellator.
01:59:52.000 Access TV? Yeah.
01:59:54.000 Not as many people have that.
01:59:56.000 That's a big drop.
01:59:57.000 There's a big drop in Access.
01:59:59.000 Over Spike?
02:00:00.000 Giant drop.
02:00:00.000 Really?
02:00:01.000 Big drop.
02:00:02.000 Spike is in way more households than Access TV is.
02:00:04.000 Millions and millions more?
02:00:05.000 Way more, yeah.
02:00:06.000 I mean, I don't know.
02:00:07.000 Maybe Jamie could find out the actual numbers, but if I had a guess, the difference is probably like 50 million plus.
02:00:13.000 It would be perfect on Spike.
02:00:15.000 Yeah.
02:00:15.000 Well, that kind of a place where you would get, where people are already watching it.
02:00:19.000 They've already got it tuned in.
02:00:21.000 Not that there's anything wrong with AXS TV. AXS TV's got some awesome fights.
02:00:24.000 That's where you get lion fights. 0.99
02:00:25.000 It's the only place where you could watch, not lions, it's Muay Thai.
02:00:29.000 Do you ever watch it?
02:00:30.000 No, no.
02:00:31.000 No.
02:00:31.000 Lion Fight is probably the number one Muay Thai organization in America as far as exposure because of television.
02:00:38.000 Like Kevin Ross, those legit Muay Thai guys with Muay Thai rules.
02:00:41.000 It's bigger than Glory?
02:00:42.000 No.
02:00:43.000 Because Glory's not Muay Thai. 0.99
02:00:44.000 Glory is kickboxing.
02:00:46.000 The difference being you can't clinch, you can't throw knees to the body, you can't throw elbows in the clinch.
02:00:50.000 We're good to go.
02:01:11.000 And it's just a different thing when you're adding in knees and elbows.
02:01:15.000 And Glory doesn't have that, just like K-1 didn't have that.
02:01:18.000 K-1, you could only, for a while, you could throw elbows with two knees, but then a lot of dudes came over there and they just blasted two hands behind the head. 1.00
02:01:26.000 And then it became illegal to even throw knees with two hands behind the head.
02:01:30.000 You could only use one hand behind the head.
02:01:31.000 If the owner of Glory came to you and said, Joe, I respect your opinion, what do you think we should do with the Rules of Glory?
02:01:37.000 Should we go full Muay Thai?
02:01:38.000 Full Muay Thai, 100%.
02:01:39.000 You would say that? 0.96
02:01:40.000 Abso-fucking-lutely. 0.96
02:01:41.000 How long can they clinch? 0.98
02:01:41.000 It's a better sport. 0.98
02:01:42.000 It's a better sport.
02:01:43.000 It's more exciting.
02:01:44.000 It's the true art of stand-up.
02:01:45.000 The true art of stand-up involves throwing stand-up, throwing strikes in the clinch, throwing...
02:01:51.000 Muay Thai involves a lot of elbows and tight.
02:01:53.000 Muay Thai involves manipulating bodies and leading people into knees, leading... 0.97
02:01:58.000 Alan Joban, perfect example, in his last UFC bout.
02:02:02.000 The way he turned that dude into that elbow, that is Muay Thai applied to MMA. I mean, it's a combination of grappling your opponent and striking.
02:02:10.000 And that's a big part of Muay Thai.
02:02:13.000 And you don't see that as much in glory, because I think it was along the lines of what they were trying to do with K1. They thought it would make it more exciting if you had, like, less clinching, more exciting, and the guys wouldn't get cut up, which is what they're worried about for tournaments.
02:02:27.000 But I think tournaments with striking is super fucking dangerous anyway.
02:02:30.000 I think they're asking for trouble by having a guy like Joe Schilling fight three... 0.98
02:02:34.000 He's fighting Simon motherfucking Marcus, you know, and then after Simon Marcus, he's fighting Wayne motherfucking Barrett, and then after that, he's fighting Artin motherfucking Levin. 0.99
02:02:43.000 Three of the baddest motherfuckers on Earth, and you're throwing head kicks and punches and elbows. 0.99
02:02:49.000 You can't have elbows in there because you get cut up. 0.99
02:02:53.000 So the idea of tournaments...
02:02:55.000 Like you're preserving, making sure the fights happen more often.
02:02:58.000 So how would you do it? 0.51
02:02:59.000 You would kill the tournament? 0.99
02:03:00.000 You're still shin-kicking each other in the head. 1.00
02:03:01.000 Shin kicks to the head, cut you open like a fucking serrated knife. 1.00
02:03:04.000 I mean, that can happen all the time. 1.00
02:03:06.000 You're always going to wind the risk of the guy not being able to get into the finals if he gets head-kicked.
02:03:11.000 I think no tournaments.
02:03:12.000 Tournaments are too dangerous.
02:03:13.000 And bring back full Muay Thai.
02:03:14.000 Full Muay Thai, no tournaments.
02:03:16.000 Use tournaments for grappling.
02:03:17.000 Tournaments are awesome for Jiu Jitsu, for EBI, for Metamoras.
02:03:20.000 Tournaments are the way to go.
02:03:22.000 For kickboxing, 100% Muay Thai.
02:03:25.000 It's a more effective art.
02:03:26.000 Is it too late for them to tweak?
02:03:28.000 No.
02:03:28.000 Are they committed to these?
02:03:30.000 Is this like a...
02:03:31.000 No, it's never too late.
02:03:32.000 They own the company.
02:03:33.000 They own the company.
02:03:33.000 They can switch it up.
02:03:34.000 Yeah, if they have Bellator, then they have a way more dangerous sport anyway, as far as what the public's perception would be, because you're adding in takedowns and submissions.
02:03:42.000 You're just adding elbows and knees.
02:03:44.000 They should totally be able to do that.
02:03:46.000 And then more time in the clinch.
02:03:48.000 Allow guys to clinch. 1.00
02:03:50.000 Because those guys, like a guy like Simon Marcus, you take away his clinch, you take away a big part of his game.
02:03:55.000 A lot of his game is he's a really strong guy, he's excellent in the plumb, and he manipulates dudes, and he's blasting you in the body.
02:04:01.000 Boom, boom. 0.99
02:04:02.000 That's a big part of his fucking game. 1.00
02:04:04.000 A huge part. 1.00
02:04:04.000 Elbows in the clinch. 1.00
02:04:05.000 That's a huge part.
02:04:07.000 You take that away, and you're forcing them to just kickbox.
02:04:09.000 I just think it's not as good.
02:04:11.000 Still fun.
02:04:12.000 Glory's awesome to watch. 1.00
02:04:14.000 Still exciting.
02:04:14.000 Just not as good as if it was like full Muay Thai rules.
02:04:17.000 Damn, I wonder if he's gonna take that advice.
02:04:20.000 I hope so, man, because full Muay Thai rules is also way more technical. 0.99
02:04:24.000 You're watching way more, like, you never know what the fuck, like a guy like Kevin Ross, he's a perfect example.
02:04:28.000 He's a guy who fights total Thai style or like Bua Cao. 0.92
02:04:32.000 When you see that guy use everything, Knees to the body, elbows in the clinch, upward elbows coming in, step off to the side, leg kicks across the front of the thigh.
02:04:41.000 They're using all these different techniques.
02:04:42.000 There's so many of them.
02:04:43.000 And then the clinch, knees to the body, knees to the body, elbows. 0.73
02:04:45.000 All that stuff is a part of the sport.
02:04:47.000 And you try to make it more exciting.
02:04:49.000 That's like when Elite XC was saying that you would go to the ground, but only for 15 seconds, and then they have to stand you back up. 0.97
02:04:55.000 We're like, this isn't fucking MMA! When Big Country had Arlovsky down and he was working at Kimura and they stood him up from side control.
02:05:02.000 He's in side control.
02:05:04.000 He's got the wrist pinned down.
02:05:05.000 He's feeding his arm through.
02:05:07.000 And he's about to try to attempt a Kimura.
02:05:09.000 They stand him up. 0.99
02:05:10.000 And we're like, what the fuck is this? 0.99
02:05:12.000 How many times was there a bad stand-up during a UFC fight when I was in your ear? 0.99
02:05:17.000 And I'm like, oh my god!
02:05:18.000 Oh my god! 1.00
02:05:19.000 What the fuck? 1.00
02:05:20.000 And then all of a sudden you start... 1.00
02:05:22.000 You start you let it I love anytime.
02:05:25.000 There's a quick stand-up anytime.
02:05:27.000 There's any stand-up I love it when you say something there shouldn't be stand-ups at all It's only five minutes. 0.95
02:05:33.000 Yeah, you have five minutes to get a guy to the ground and submit him and the guy's trying to kick your fucking head off Yeah, the idea that you should be stood back up because it's boring look if it's boring then you know what's gonna happen? 0.58
02:05:43.000 Less people are going to buy your pay-per-view. 0.99
02:05:45.000 Less people are going to pay to see you fight.
02:05:47.000 You're going to make less money.
02:05:49.000 If you want to finish guys, you're going to make more money.
02:05:51.000 The market should dictate your style.
02:05:53.000 The rules should be the rules of fighting. 0.94
02:05:56.000 And in fighting, sometimes a guy like Ben Askren can hold you down and do whatever the fuck he wants. 1.00
02:06:02.000 And the idea that you get to be stood up, you get a second shot at kicking his fucking teeth in. 1.00
02:06:07.000 No, he took you down! 1.00
02:06:09.000 He took you down.
02:06:09.000 He held you down.
02:06:10.000 Especially when every round starts standing.
02:06:13.000 That's a stand-up for the striker.
02:06:15.000 Exactly.
02:06:16.000 If you wanted to make a league or a fight company that was totally fair, when the fight ends, if they're on the ground in the mount, The next round should start just like that in the mound, right?
02:06:29.000 Yes.
02:06:30.000 Why are you starting standing up again?
02:06:31.000 And you know what I think?
02:06:32.000 I think it would be more exciting.
02:06:34.000 I think if they just let the market dictate, just let it decide, just the rules, make it more primitive, make less rules.
02:06:42.000 Get the ref out of the mix. 0.99
02:06:43.000 Yes.
02:06:44.000 Get him out of there.
02:06:44.000 Get him out of the mix.
02:06:45.000 You know what I mean? 1.00
02:06:46.000 Fuck. 1.00
02:06:47.000 Subjective ideas. 1.00
02:06:47.000 Throw some tigers in there. 1.00
02:06:48.000 Yeah.
02:06:49.000 Like, whatever subjective ideas he has of what's good or what's not.
02:06:53.000 Come on, guys, you gotta fight.
02:06:54.000 I'd go crazy.
02:06:55.000 I'm like, they're fighting! 1.00
02:06:56.000 What the fuck do you think they're doing? 0.99
02:06:58.000 You see that guy kneeing that guy in the leg? 0.99
02:06:59.000 That's called fighting.
02:07:00.000 I wonder if the promoter is telling the ref, make him fight.
02:07:03.000 Of course they are!
02:07:04.000 That was the Gary Shaw thing in Elite XC. He told them to stand people up.
02:07:08.000 So you got guys, like, Orlovsky wound up knocking Big Country out, which is kind of fucked up. 0.92
02:07:13.000 Because Big Country was dominating that fight. 0.72
02:07:15.000 And if they stayed on the ground, he probably would have stayed on top of them.
02:07:18.000 I don't see Arlovsky reversing Big Country.
02:07:21.000 Big Country's jujitsu is legit. 0.95
02:07:23.000 He's a big fucking strong dude, and he's working a position that he earned. 0.97
02:07:27.000 He got you to the ground. 0.99
02:07:28.000 It's fucking hard to do! 0.99
02:07:30.000 A guy like Arlovsky, you get him to the ground, you get him in side control, and some fucking slob of a promoter decides that you have to stand these guys up because they want war. 0.99
02:07:40.000 The crowd wants war. 0.98
02:07:41.000 We're selling fighting.
02:07:43.000 We're not selling hugging. 1.00
02:07:44.000 Spitting fucking salami sandwiches flying out of his mouth as he's talking. 0.99
02:07:48.000 That guy gets to dictate what happens in a professional martial arts event? 1.00
02:07:52.000 That's insane.
02:07:53.000 And it's illegal.
02:07:54.000 How crazy would it be if there was a league that took out stand-ups and you started the next round exactly in the same spot?
02:08:01.000 How hard would that be?
02:08:02.000 Is that hard?
02:08:03.000 That's not hard.
02:08:04.000 Not only that, that's how it should be.
02:08:06.000 That's how it should be.
02:08:07.000 If people want to have a break, if you want to get back up, you should have to work to get back up. 0.99
02:08:12.000 If a guy takes you down and he's got your fucking... 0.99
02:08:14.000 You mounted and he's just punching you in the face and the buzzer rings... 1.00
02:08:17.000 You didn't solve that.
02:08:19.000 You didn't solve that issue.
02:08:20.000 You got an issue, man.
02:08:22.000 You got a guy on top you punched in the face. 0.99
02:08:23.000 If this was in the schoolyard, if this was in a fucking field somewhere, that guy would still be on top of you. 0.98
02:08:28.000 So look, we're going to give you a minute to get your cardio back to make it more exciting, but that's it. 0.97
02:08:33.000 And even that, guess what?
02:08:34.000 That's a little suspect.
02:08:35.000 Maybe the fight should be 10 minutes.
02:08:37.000 Maybe the preliminary fight should be 10 minutes and the main event should be 15 or 20. No fucking breaks. 0.99
02:08:43.000 Hey, I'm down with that. 1.00
02:08:44.000 No breaks.
02:08:45.000 That would be awesome.
02:08:45.000 I think that's real MMA. What's real MMA is not rounds.
02:08:48.000 You know, I know the girls would get upset. 1.00
02:08:50.000 They don't get to walk around every five minutes.
02:08:51.000 They'd lose their jobs.
02:08:53.000 They would still be there in the beginning and the end.
02:08:55.000 There would just be a few less of these.
02:08:58.000 A few less.
02:08:59.000 I don't think it's...
02:09:00.000 They still are an integral part of the organization.
02:09:02.000 They're beautiful.
02:09:03.000 They're fun to be around.
02:09:04.000 Nothing wrong with octagon girls. 1.00
02:09:06.000 Nothing wrong.
02:09:06.000 It's not an anti-octagon girl rant.
02:09:08.000 I love those girls. 1.00
02:09:09.000 It's the importance of fighting being realistic.
02:09:11.000 Where's the cage dancers and ring card girls at your event, man? 0.92
02:09:15.000 We're going to use dudes. 1.00
02:09:16.000 You know, we're trying to make it more friendly for gays, queer genders, transgenders, straight people that like watching dudes in their underwear.
02:09:25.000 There's not a good representation of the male form.
02:09:29.000 That's a small market.
02:09:30.000 You know, there's a huge gay Brazilian jiu-jitsu community in West Hollywood.
02:09:34.000 You know that, right?
02:09:34.000 They go to all the local tournaments.
02:09:36.000 They show up.
02:09:36.000 They got their rainbow geese.
02:09:38.000 You've never heard of him?
02:09:39.000 I haven't. 1.00
02:09:40.000 He's fucking with you. 1.00
02:09:42.000 There's a smile that he can't hold sometimes. 1.00
02:09:44.000 You gotta look at the corners of his mouth.
02:09:46.000 They start shaking.
02:09:47.000 Just keep it together, Mr. Bravo.
02:09:48.000 Do you believe for a second?
02:09:49.000 What's that?
02:09:50.000 Do you believe?
02:09:50.000 Sure.
02:09:52.000 So it worked.
02:09:54.000 Well, you know, there will be someday.
02:09:57.000 It keeps going.
02:09:58.000 There will be. 0.99
02:09:58.000 Gay guys are notoriously fit. 0.99
02:10:00.000 Hey, why wouldn't a gay guy want to do jiu-jitsu? 0.98
02:10:04.000 Right. 0.94
02:10:04.000 You get to roll with other dudes? 0.94
02:10:05.000 Come on.
02:10:06.000 Get into the missionary. 0.66
02:10:07.000 You get to take their back. 0.99
02:10:09.000 Balls in their face. 1.00
02:10:10.000 Do a lot of tapping.
02:10:11.000 It's perfect.
02:10:11.000 They should be obsessed with it.
02:10:13.000 That should be their national sport.
02:10:16.000 Maybe this is going to inspire them to come clean with it.
02:10:18.000 Maybe there's a lot of dudes out there. 0.79
02:10:20.000 They're going to just take their regular gi off and they got a Rambo gi underneath. 0.99
02:10:23.000 I have nothing against gay guys.
02:10:24.000 I'm sure I have like five or six gay guys in my school. 0.85
02:10:27.000 Hey! 0.99
02:10:28.000 That's like saying, I'm not racist, but...
02:10:31.000 Just don't get boners while you roll, and everything will be fine.
02:10:36.000 There it is! 0.99
02:10:37.000 This is the gay version of I'm not racist, but... 1.00
02:10:40.000 I'm not racist, but why does black people gotta be so ignorant? 1.00
02:10:43.000 I'm not homophobic, but if you roll with me, don't get a hard-on, because I am fucking beautiful. 1.00
02:10:48.000 It's like what you're saying. 0.99
02:10:49.000 You're saying, how could you not get hard when you have my back?
02:10:53.000 A little bit.
02:10:59.000 It's only homophobic if you expect the guy to get hard and you're upset before the match even starts.
02:11:08.000 You gotta let the guy have the opportunity to get hard and then say, hey man, that's not cool.
02:11:12.000 You can't start off going, hey man, don't get hard if we wrestle. 1.00
02:11:15.000 Like, fuck, dude. 1.00
02:11:16.000 That's like hanging out with a black dude going, hey man, don't rob me. 1.00
02:11:20.000 And he's like, what the fuck? 1.00
02:11:21.000 I didn't do anything. 1.00
02:11:22.000 I think only gay white belts get hard-ons. 1.00
02:11:25.000 I think by blue belt, you learn to control it. 1.00
02:11:27.000 Listen, I think there's a lot of gay white belts that don't get hard at all. 0.97
02:11:29.000 I think you're out of line. 0.94
02:11:31.000 I'm just saying generally.
02:11:32.000 Well, have you ever gotten hard rolling with a girl?
02:11:34.000 Never.
02:11:35.000 Well, there you go.
02:11:35.000 That's what I'm saying.
02:11:36.000 And you're one of the horniest people that's ever walked the face of the planet. 0.85
02:11:39.000 That's a good point.
02:11:39.000 But I'm not rolling with girls all the time.
02:11:41.000 That's true.
02:11:42.000 There's hardly no girls in this sport. 1.00
02:11:43.000 But with increased frequency, you'd get more.
02:11:45.000 You're talking about 0%.
02:11:46.000 What's it going to go up to?
02:11:48.000 If I say that jiu-jitsu was the opposite, if we lived in the twilight zone and 98% of the people doing jiu-jitsu were women, and I was one of them rare dudes, I'd be like, hell yeah, I'm going to do jiu-jitsu forever. 0.86
02:11:59.000 That's how probably girls feel, right? 0.61
02:12:00.000 Just get mauled all the time by giant dudes.
02:12:03.000 Hey, you said that, not me. 0.84
02:12:05.000 Jesus Christ.
02:12:06.000 Why is she entering the heavyweight class? 0.98
02:12:10.000 Girls that do jiu-jitsu, they're like, this is a goldmine. 0.99
02:12:13.000 All these guys are in great shape.
02:12:15.000 Geniuses.
02:12:17.000 We get choked here.
02:12:19.000 Her guard retention is incredible, but she finds herself in north-south all the time.
02:12:24.000 It's so weird. 0.98
02:12:25.000 That's ridiculous. 0.96
02:12:26.000 It doesn't make any sense. 0.97
02:12:27.000 She's so good at retaining guard, but it almost seems like she turns into north-south from the bottom.
02:12:31.000 I don't understand what's happening.
02:12:33.000 Oh, it's a crazy sport.
02:12:35.000 It's a crazy sport.
02:12:36.000 The first girl, when I was a purple belt, I brought to jiu-jitsu.
02:12:40.000 She wanted to watch.
02:12:41.000 She couldn't believe it.
02:12:42.000 She was sweating. 0.67
02:12:44.000 To her, she just saw sexual positions. 0.67
02:12:47.000 That's all she saw.
02:12:49.000 How do you guys do this?
02:12:51.000 She was turned on.
02:12:53.000 By guys wrestling with guys.
02:12:55.000 Some girls like that. 1.00
02:12:56.000 Some girls do. 1.00
02:12:57.000 Girls want to find out who wins and take a sperm. 1.00
02:12:59.000 That's what they want to do. 0.99
02:13:01.000 Or some guys like two dudes getting gay together. 0.96
02:13:06.000 Some girls like that. 1.00
02:13:08.000 Right?
02:13:10.000 Dude, no comment on that one.
02:13:11.000 No clue.
02:13:12.000 That's a yes.
02:13:13.000 Well, we have a woman in the room. 1.00
02:13:14.000 Octavia Bourdain will tell us.
02:13:16.000 She's nodding.
02:13:17.000 Do you know girls that are not gay, but somehow two gay guys getting together turns them on? 0.82
02:13:24.000 Yes. 0.80
02:13:24.000 See? 0.80
02:13:25.000 In France, right?
02:13:26.000 In Italy.
02:13:26.000 In Italy.
02:13:27.000 In Italy, yeah. 1.00
02:13:28.000 Bitches are crazy. 1.00
02:13:29.000 That's a crazy savage type of person. 1.00
02:13:31.000 Would you say 20% of women that you know, maybe? 0.91
02:13:33.000 Higher.
02:13:34.000 Higher.
02:13:36.000 Really?
02:13:37.000 And it turns you on.
02:13:38.000 You don't watch it to laugh.
02:13:40.000 You're not watching it to laugh. 1.00
02:13:41.000 Gay girl porn or gay men porn? 1.00
02:13:42.000 Gay men porn. 1.00
02:13:43.000 Okay, we gotta end this conversation before I throw up. 1.00
02:13:46.000 I was gonna say.
02:13:48.000 I'm about to throw up on this microphone.
02:13:50.000 You know what?
02:13:50.000 I nailed it, right?
02:13:52.000 It's true. 1.00
02:13:53.000 Watching some dude balls deep in another guy's ass and a girl playing with herself. 1.00
02:13:56.000 That's the last. 1.00
02:13:57.000 Too much.
02:13:58.000 Our egos are so strong.
02:14:00.000 It's so important for us to not get dominated by another man. 0.99
02:14:05.000 You're like, his balls are right here. 1.00
02:14:08.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00
02:14:09.000 I'm gonna stop the choke right here. 1.00
02:14:10.000 And his balls are right here. 0.99
02:14:12.000 You're like, That doesn't mean shit. 1.00
02:14:13.000 It's gonna hurt more if he taps me than if his balls hit my cheek. 0.99
02:14:17.000 So you're just like blocking the choke, right? 0.98
02:14:19.000 It's more important.
02:14:20.000 You're not thinking about any sexuality at all in Jiu Jitsu.
02:14:23.000 You're thinking about not getting tapped.
02:14:24.000 Do you ban Thai cups, those steel cups?
02:14:28.000 I don't bet anything.
02:14:29.000 You allow guys to wear those steel cups?
02:14:31.000 They can wear whatever they want. 0.98
02:14:32.000 I'm not going to stop them from protecting their balls. 0.99
02:14:34.000 No, but it's not that. 0.99
02:14:36.000 Increased leverage.
02:14:37.000 Do you believe that, Gary?
02:14:39.000 That it's increased leverage when you wear a steel cup?
02:14:40.000 Absolutely.
02:14:41.000 Do you wear one?
02:14:42.000 Certainly more efficiently break arms, legs, etc.
02:14:45.000 Do you wear one?
02:14:46.000 No, I don't wear one when I compete.
02:14:47.000 I just never have, so it would be awkward to start doing it right before I compete.
02:14:51.000 Seems like there'd be a massive benefit if it's legal.
02:14:53.000 It would be.
02:14:53.000 Some organizations ban cups.
02:14:56.000 Cups totally?
02:14:57.000 Yeah, you can't wear one. 1.00
02:14:57.000 Fuck that, dude. 1.00
02:14:58.000 Because of the leverage. 1.00
02:14:59.000 God damn it. 0.99
02:14:59.000 I have another Einstein story. 0.99
02:15:01.000 Einstein was passing my guard and he hit my dick with his knee. 0.99
02:15:05.000 I didn't think anything of it until I went to the bathroom after I was done rolling and my jockstrap was filled with blood. 0.99
02:15:10.000 Nice.
02:15:11.000 Cover your ears now.
02:15:12.000 Oh, wait. 1.00
02:15:12.000 And so I peed and blood came out of my dick. 1.00
02:15:15.000 I'm like, fuck. 1.00
02:15:16.000 And I was trying to think, should I go to the doctor? 0.99
02:15:18.000 Because I knew if I went to the doctor, I'd go, okay, what would I do if it was my nose?
02:15:21.000 I'd go, well, I wouldn't go to the doctor.
02:15:23.000 I would see what's going on. 0.92
02:15:24.000 So I went home and I jerked off. 0.97
02:15:25.000 A little bit more important than your nose, though. 0.98
02:15:27.000 It is, but I went home and I jerked off. 1.00
02:15:28.000 I just wanted to make sure my dick works. 1.00
02:15:29.000 Was there blood in your sperm? 1.00
02:15:31.000 There was blood in my sperm. 0.98
02:15:33.000 It was like the cover of the Metallica album, Load. 0.93
02:15:35.000 It's blood and sperm.
02:15:36.000 It was like one of them chicken eggs where something went wrong.
02:15:38.000 You know, you get one of those chicken eggs.
02:15:40.000 It's got a little fetus in it or something.
02:15:41.000 That's what it was like.
02:15:42.000 It was clumps.
02:15:43.000 But it worked out.
02:15:44.000 It worked.
02:15:45.000 It did work out.
02:15:45.000 Yeah.
02:15:46.000 And then I peed the next day.
02:15:48.000 I had blood for a few days, though.
02:15:50.000 It was blood that was coming out for a few days.
02:15:52.000 But it never got infected.
02:15:53.000 I was like, if it feels infected, I'm going to the doctor. 0.99
02:15:55.000 Because otherwise, they're going to be staring at my dick. 0.99
02:15:57.000 It's going to be awkward. 0.99
02:15:58.000 They're going to put Q-tips up there and then probably say nothing.
02:16:01.000 They're probably not going to do anything for you.
02:16:02.000 Seems like you made the right call on that one.
02:16:04.000 Cups are the way to go. 1.00
02:16:06.000 Because that shit wouldn't have happened. 0.99
02:16:08.000 Especially like a steel cup. 0.99
02:16:09.000 I'm constantly squeezing my knees and every part of my game the knees are generally squeezing.
02:16:14.000 So I'm in constant protect ball mode anyway.
02:16:17.000 So you don't wear a cup?
02:16:19.000 Never.
02:16:19.000 Do you ever wear one of those diamonds?
02:16:20.000 You ever try those diamonds?
02:16:21.000 Never.
02:16:22.000 You ever try it?
02:16:22.000 Never.
02:16:23.000 Would you be interested in trying?
02:16:23.000 I got them here.
02:16:24.000 You want one? 0.99
02:16:25.000 I'm afraid that my balls are going to hang out and that someone's going to smash my balls like Vanderlei Silva. 0.99
02:16:29.000 It's like compression shorts. 0.99
02:16:31.000 Remember that Gilbert Ivo and Vanderlei Silva?
02:16:32.000 That's right.
02:16:33.000 The ball got caught.
02:16:34.000 After that, that guy was laying on the floor...
02:16:38.000 Longer than that pain, you know, that pain you get where you feel like you're gonna get sick.
02:16:41.000 He had other kind of pain, like his ball smashed.
02:16:44.000 I remember that.
02:16:45.000 I think he had a regular cup.
02:16:46.000 Those regular cups, this is way before they had these compression short cups.
02:16:50.000 There's a couple companies, Jocko does them too, a couple companies, but Diamond MMA, I think they started it.
02:16:55.000 They have a cup that's contoured.
02:16:57.000 Jamie, go grab one of those things.
02:16:58.000 I got a bunch of them.
02:16:59.000 They sent them to me.
02:17:00.000 I don't have any affiliation with this company, I just want to say. 1.00
02:17:02.000 They need to take a mold of your dick and then make like a mold rubber jelly thing that's soft. 1.00
02:17:09.000 No, no, no, where it's soft. 1.00
02:17:10.000 I thought about this. 1.00
02:17:11.000 What if your dick gets hard, then it gets trapped, and it's like you're choking your dick out with your own cup. 1.00
02:17:15.000 That's a good question. 1.00
02:17:16.000 We haven't gotten to that yet.
02:17:17.000 He wants to make like mouthpieces.
02:17:19.000 Yeah, like a mouthpiece, like an earpiece.
02:17:21.000 Yes, exactly.
02:17:22.000 Yeah, a mouthpiece or one of those custom ear buds.
02:17:24.000 You just can't ever get turned on.
02:17:26.000 Yeah.
02:17:27.000 And why would you?
02:17:28.000 It's jujitsu.
02:17:29.000 It's other sweaty dudes.
02:17:30.000 See, they have a cup that's kind of contoured.
02:17:33.000 How about a soft cup?
02:17:34.000 No, I don't think that's the way to go. 0.97
02:17:35.000 You can still get killed. 1.00
02:17:38.000 If your dick is hanging out. 1.00
02:17:39.000 I'm telling you, dude, you wear it with these compression shorts. 1.00
02:17:42.000 These shorts are crazy. 1.00
02:17:43.000 They have all these straps in them, and it's all to suck that thing right up against your junk. 1.00
02:17:47.000 Protect your hog, son. 1.00
02:17:49.000 You don't. 0.92
02:17:49.000 You need to do it not outside your pants. 0.92
02:17:52.000 It's just too narrow, dude. 1.00
02:17:56.000 I'm not saying I got a big dick. 1.00
02:17:57.000 I'm just saying it's thick. 1.00
02:17:59.000 It's bigger than this.
02:18:01.000 It's not that big.
02:18:02.000 It's just thick.
02:18:03.000 It's bigger than that.
02:18:04.000 That's all you're saying.
02:18:04.000 But you should try it.
02:18:05.000 It's a good idea.
02:18:06.000 But maybe you don't need it.
02:18:07.000 I commentated a match.
02:18:08.000 It was Fernando Vasconcelos and King of the Cage in 2000. Fernando against Shoney Carter.
02:18:14.000 And Shoney Carter showed up with the cup.
02:18:15.000 It looked like...
02:18:16.000 I actually said on the telecast, I go, you know, Bob Sapp called.
02:18:21.000 He wanted his cup back.
02:18:23.000 His cup was so tremendous, like that was a weapon. 0.99
02:18:26.000 It was like something that you'd wear at like Mad Max and shit, you know what I mean? 1.00
02:18:31.000 Like anybody try to kick him in the balls and there's like blades and shit or something. 0.99
02:18:35.000 It was huge. 0.99
02:18:35.000 But when you roll with a guy who's got one on a steel cup and they get on top of you, you could feel that thing. 0.99
02:18:40.000 It's like a weapon. 0.99
02:18:41.000 Like, they're fucking you with their cup. 1.00
02:18:44.000 Yeah, you hurt your sternum, your solar plexus. 0.99
02:18:48.000 Like, you want to get out of that position.
02:18:49.000 And in arm bars, it's got to make a giant difference.
02:18:52.000 It's a big chunk of metal.
02:18:53.000 Knee bars, arm bars. 0.54
02:18:54.000 Yeah, there's like an angle.
02:18:56.000 There's an angle. 1.00
02:18:57.000 Like, you have a leverage point where your dick is. 1.00
02:18:59.000 And how about you put a dude in a triangle and you put... 1.00
02:19:01.000 Oh, Jesus.
02:19:01.000 You know when that angle on their face is right in there?
02:19:03.000 Smashing them.
02:19:04.000 How many times you put a dude in a triangle and you're like...
02:19:06.000 His head's just in the wrong angle. 1.00
02:19:08.000 If you pull his head, you're just stuffing his head into your balls. 1.00
02:19:11.000 That's a decision you have to make. 1.00
02:19:13.000 Is it worth it?
02:19:14.000 I'm going to try to tap him with an arm bar or something here.
02:19:16.000 That was one of the matches I wanted to talk to you about is your Javi Vasquez match.
02:19:20.000 Dude, that was such a slick submission, man, because you're known for your leg locks, and it's kind of like Javi was defending well, and Javi has really good defense anyway, and then you switched it up and went for that triangle and caught the triangle on the side.
02:19:33.000 That was beautiful.
02:19:35.000 As I move forward with my matches and things, there's certain situations where I'm just at all costs trying to submit somebody and beat them in whatever way that I possibly can.
02:19:43.000 Specifically in that match, I had every intention because I had just beaten a really good leg locker Marcin held.
02:19:48.000 I had every intention of trying to not submit him with a leg lock.
02:19:53.000 Really?
02:19:54.000 Yeah, I didn't want to because I don't want to be known as just the guy that does leg locks.
02:19:59.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
02:20:00.000 I want to be known as a fucking killer on the match. 1.00
02:20:02.000 I'm kidding. 1.00
02:20:03.000 But you were still attempting them, though.
02:20:05.000 I put one in, but I had no intention of finishing it.
02:20:10.000 I thought about finishing it and said, no, that's not what I want to do.
02:20:14.000 I tried six different times.
02:20:17.000 I didn't let it go.
02:20:18.000 He pushed out of it really hard.
02:20:22.000 What was I going to say?
02:20:23.000 Multiple times I tried to set up an arm triangle.
02:20:26.000 We call it a scoop scorpion, but it's a...
02:20:30.000 Lockdown, right?
02:20:31.000 So from the lockdown position, he tried to pass his arm across and set up arm triangles because that's what I've been practicing.
02:20:35.000 From the bottom?
02:20:35.000 Yeah, from bottom and top.
02:20:37.000 That's what I've been practicing and training.
02:20:39.000 That's how I wanted to submit him, but it wasn't working out.
02:20:41.000 But I'd also been practicing some triangle setups.
02:20:43.000 So, you know, those two ways work.
02:20:46.000 I was kind of going back and forth between that, trying to submit him.
02:20:48.000 When you set up the arm triangle from the bottom, do you try to finish it from the bottom or do you sweep?
02:20:52.000 I think my preferred finish, the absolute best for me, is to be on bottom but to be on my hip as opposed to be facing up towards the sky.
02:21:03.000 So side on to the person, perpendicular.
02:21:05.000 That's my favorite finish.
02:21:06.000 But aside from that, finishing it just directly flat facing up I think is worse than finishing it on top.
02:21:12.000 On top is better.
02:21:13.000 Because you can move your hips, you can adjust.
02:21:15.000 Yeah, on top it's always better.
02:21:16.000 You've got your weight.
02:21:17.000 But on the bottom, the only way it's going to work on the bottom, generally, is you've got to have that lockdown.
02:21:22.000 And without the lockdown, because if I have the lockdown and I have the arm trunk on the bottom, I'm just going to stay there and try to finish it from there.
02:21:28.000 Don't you, you sometimes go sideways on a guy and you have the lockdown as well, which puts your knee at a really funky angle.
02:21:34.000 What are you talking about?
02:21:35.000 The arm triangle from stoner control.
02:21:39.000 When the leg comes all the way through, you still hold the lock down.
02:21:41.000 It's like you're going to the vaporizer, but instead you go for the arm triangle instead.
02:21:45.000 Yeah, that's a precarious position.
02:21:48.000 You get a lot of leverage from there.
02:21:49.000 It's hard to set that one up because once you go through the leg, you still have the lock down, and it's hard to reach.
02:21:55.000 You've got to really scoot up there, and he's got to kind of give it to you.
02:21:59.000 It's hard to set that one up because...
02:22:00.000 You set it up if you let go of the lockdown and pass the guard because you're basically in a leg drag position with a lockdown.
02:22:06.000 It's the same thing.
02:22:07.000 You could pass and commit to that arm triangle.
02:22:10.000 You could keep the lockdown, roll to a vaporizer, or you could get a vaporizer by just simply turning and then just sitting back nice and slow where there's no roll and you go to it.
02:22:20.000 Yeah, your match was interesting because when you guys were commentating on that match too, when you saw he got to that position on the side trying to set up that triangle, you got fired up.
02:22:29.000 You're like, wow.
02:22:30.000 The Javi match? 0.74
02:22:31.000 Yeah, you're like, this is a bad situation.
02:22:33.000 This is a bad spot.
02:22:34.000 I know that Gary's...
02:22:38.000 It's guillotines or death.
02:22:39.000 As far as, I'm sure you have way more than I know, but I know, I've seen you, I know you got all round jiu-jitsu game, and I understand you, and I feel you don't want to be known as the leg lock guy, because you do have, you're really good, like your guillotine is right up there with the top guys.
02:22:55.000 And the way you get to the back, Elite level.
02:23:00.000 You got a lot of stuff going on.
02:23:02.000 You have a very active game from the bottom.
02:23:06.000 It wasn't a shock to me.
02:23:08.000 So you've been training essentially in jiu-jitsu for about nine years.
02:23:10.000 Started out wrestling for about five.
02:23:12.000 I believe it'll be eight years the day of his tournament.
02:23:14.000 March 22nd is my jiu-jitsu anniversary.
02:23:16.000 That's amazing that you've been able to have so much progress in such a short time.
02:23:19.000 That's incredible.
02:23:20.000 I mean, you must really love it. 0.93
02:23:22.000 You must be just fucking obsessed with jiu-jitsu. 0.96
02:23:24.000 Yeah, since day one, for sure. 0.98
02:23:25.000 I was just on the mats as much as possible.
02:23:27.000 I never really took any breaks.
02:23:30.000 Just constantly training and competing as much as I possibly could.
02:23:33.000 Do you remember what dragged you into it?
02:23:35.000 What got you so excited about it?
02:23:37.000 Yeah, so at first, just the sport, I didn't know it existed until I was like 14. And my buddy was like, hey, yeah, I do this thing.
02:23:45.000 It's kind of like wrestling where you get to strangle people.
02:23:47.000 And I was like, get out of here. 1.00
02:23:48.000 That's bullshit. 1.00
02:23:49.000 Nobody lets that happen. 1.00
02:23:50.000 I was like, you're a kid.
02:23:51.000 Nobody lets two kids try and strangle each other.
02:23:53.000 You didn't know about the UFC? No, not at that time.
02:23:56.000 Wow, that's crazy.
02:23:57.000 I had no idea.
02:23:58.000 So this is like 2004, 2005?
02:24:00.000 Yeah, I was living with my mom.
02:24:02.000 She was a single parent.
02:24:04.000 Not that she would have disapproved of that or anything like that, but it's not like it would have been something I would have been brought interest to.
02:24:10.000 They didn't talk about it at school or anything?
02:24:13.000 Maybe you heard about it, but didn't look into it?
02:24:15.000 Yeah, no, it wasn't a big part of the culture that I was in, you know what I mean?
02:24:18.000 So, yeah, nobody ever really brought it up until my one friend that happened to be training jiu-jitsu.
02:24:23.000 Once I learned about that, that's when I started learning about UFC and stuff like that.
02:24:26.000 I hadn't really experienced any of that.
02:24:29.000 So, that's what got me into the sport, but not obsessed with it.
02:24:32.000 I was like, I was like, wow, that sounds really cool.
02:24:34.000 Went to a competition. 0.99
02:24:35.000 I was like, that's the coolest fucking thing ever. 0.99
02:24:37.000 My mom was not about it. 0.98
02:24:38.000 She was like, yeah, that's not okay.
02:24:41.000 You can't do that.
02:24:41.000 But eventually, you know, I convinced her.
02:24:43.000 And then what really kept pushing me forward was a one turning point moment where I was training with Tom the Blast, my instructor.
02:24:54.000 Actually, I was training with somebody else first.
02:24:56.000 And I was trying to escape a triangle.
02:24:59.000 And Tom comes over to help me, to try and help me get out of the triangle.
02:25:02.000 I wasn't doing it properly.
02:25:04.000 And I was like, he gave me advice.
02:25:06.000 And then I go, oh yeah, but I usually do this.
02:25:09.000 Like in a very standoffish, talking back sort of a way, like a child would.
02:25:14.000 You know what I mean?
02:25:15.000 So I talked back to him and it was really bad, disrespectful, in whatever way I said it.
02:25:19.000 So Tom goes, oh, okay, let's train.
02:25:22.000 Let's see how well you get out of the triangle then.
02:25:24.000 Let's go.
02:25:24.000 So he trains with me for a grand total of about 35 minutes, I would say.
02:25:29.000 Every two to five minutes after he would submit me multiple times, he would say, do you want to stop?
02:25:35.000 And every time I was like, no, because I didn't think my beating was... 0.99
02:25:39.000 I thought I deserved to get the shit kicked out of me. 0.99
02:25:41.000 So I didn't stop. 0.99
02:25:43.000 So you knew that you had said something? 0.99
02:25:44.000 Yeah, I knew right from the get-go I fucked up. 0.99
02:25:47.000 So he starts training with me. 0.99
02:25:48.000 The end of the match leads to a sternum bruise the size of Iron Man's fucking circle on his chest. 0.99
02:25:56.000 Like, Giburn, like, bloody cuts all over my face from fucking Giburn. 0.98
02:26:01.000 And, like, literally, it was definitely child abuse. 0.98
02:26:04.000 Like, could have been arrested if I, like, complained, you know, but I would never, you know, because I deserved it.
02:26:08.000 And it made me a stronger person.
02:26:09.000 But after that, it was like that, uh, that, that Pi May experience where, you know, in Kill Bill Vol. 0.96
02:26:16.000 2, she's like, uh, you know, Beatrice is getting the shit kicked out of her by Pi May. 1.00
02:26:20.000 And she's, like, being held down by the arm, like, Do you want this power? 0.96
02:26:24.000 That sort of thing.
02:26:26.000 And I wanted that power to be able to fucking have control over my fate, have control over being able to defend myself against another person, You know act in that way and then from that point on I was in love with jiu-jitsu eventually, you know in love with competing and wanting to Teach and all that stuff. 0.78
02:26:44.000 So is that what you do to all your white belts? 0.99
02:26:46.000 No, no, I don't I don't I probably should though if I wanted more actually I do do that to my to my student that I'm trying to bring up Gordon Ryan I beat the crap out of him as much as possible and try to demean him and make him whoa Just feel horrible keep him on the deal.
02:27:01.000 Yeah You know what?
02:27:02.000 Big brother him that way, one day.
02:27:04.000 Like, Hens always says that.
02:27:05.000 You know, even his brothers that are younger than him, that are better than him, he's like, I'm always their big brother.
02:27:09.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:27:10.000 I try my best.
02:27:12.000 I think that's how you make people good, man.
02:27:14.000 There's something to that, for sure, but there's also something to just, like, being really lucky and having a great instructor.
02:27:19.000 You know, when a kid has an instructor like you that's so passionate about the game, like, one of the hardest parts about Jiu-Jitsu in the day was finding a real good instructor.
02:27:27.000 Eddie and I got super lucky.
02:27:29.000 We found Jean-Jacques Machado.
02:27:30.000 But if you didn't find him, if you were in the middle of nowhere South Dakota and there's no good instruction, it's hard.
02:27:38.000 It's hard to find a really good instructor.
02:27:40.000 It's such a big deal to have a good camp when you have a Tenth Planet Jiu-Jitsu or Henzo's Academy or Art of Jiu-Jitsu.
02:27:47.000 This is like these big jiu-jitsu places where all these killers come from.
02:27:50.000 It's such a giant...
02:27:52.000 Advantage is so it's so huge. 1.00
02:27:54.000 We're so lucky here in Southern, California I mean what what's better as far as like locations on earth and Thank God the Brazilians like the beach Yeah, when you find like the ones that are like fuck man, 1.00
02:28:09.000 I'm gonna go to Toronto. 0.97
02:28:10.000 There's a lot of like went to Ohio for a little bit and I remember thinking man how A Brazilian in Ohio? 0.59
02:28:20.000 How long is that gonna last?
02:28:21.000 They rotate.
02:28:22.000 George Gorgel's been up there for a long time.
02:28:24.000 But he's like an American Brazilian though.
02:28:26.000 He's white. 0.99
02:28:28.000 Well, how about fucking Gabriel Gonzaga? 1.00
02:28:31.000 He's in Western Massachusetts, man. 0.99
02:28:33.000 He's in the middle of nowhere.
02:28:34.000 He's in Ludlow, I think, what the name of the place is.
02:28:37.000 See, these places make people stronger.
02:28:40.000 You guys in California don't know pain and suffering.
02:28:42.000 You guys are gonna live in this nice weather all the time.
02:28:44.000 To go from Rio to that part of Western Massachusetts where Gonzaga lives? 1.00
02:28:49.000 Fuck. 1.00
02:28:50.000 Yeah, man. 1.00
02:28:51.000 Fuck. 1.00
02:28:51.000 You went from one of the most beautiful spots on Earth to a place where for six months it sucks a fat plate of dicks. 1.00
02:28:58.000 What else do you have to do besides train, man? 0.99
02:28:59.000 Have you ever been to Brazil?
02:29:00.000 There's so much other things to do here.
02:29:02.000 What's that?
02:29:02.000 Have you been to Brazil?
02:29:04.000 No, not yet.
02:29:05.000 I'm looking forward to it for this next 80 season.
02:29:07.000 Oh, you're going to 80? 1.00
02:29:07.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
02:29:08.000 I mean, they haven't put out official invites yet. 0.99
02:29:11.000 That's Sao Paulo, right?
02:29:12.000 Hopefully.
02:29:12.000 Oh, you're in 100%.
02:29:14.000 We'll see.
02:29:14.000 Gio's in.
02:29:15.000 He qualified.
02:29:15.000 So I'll be there for sure.
02:29:17.000 It's going to be in Sao Paulo August 28th and August 29th.
02:29:21.000 I'm there.
02:29:21.000 A bunch of 10th Planet guys are going, man.
02:29:23.000 It's going to be awesome.
02:29:24.000 You should go.
02:29:25.000 Reserve that weekend.
02:29:26.000 I wonder if I can. 0.99
02:29:27.000 Gio's gonna fucking be an Abu Dhabi. 0.99
02:29:28.000 Let me see if I can. 0.98
02:29:29.000 I don't know what my schedule, my friend.
02:29:32.000 He might go against Hoffa Mendez.
02:29:33.000 It might be Gio against Hoffa.
02:29:35.000 You never know.
02:29:36.000 Like, what's gonna happen there?
02:29:37.000 Depends how they seat him, yeah.
02:29:39.000 There's so many good guys these days.
02:29:41.000 It's really interesting.
02:29:42.000 Gio, seriously, is on another level, man.
02:29:45.000 It's on another level.
02:29:46.000 You were saying that his breakdancing strength is coming from the breakdancing world.
02:29:50.000 100%.
02:29:50.000 Yesterday, I did an Inside BJJ podcast, and they asked me, what is the single most important attribute to jiu-jitsu?
02:29:58.000 You can only have one attribute.
02:30:00.000 And my answer initially was, I would like to say...
02:30:05.000 Open-mindedness, true open-mindedness, but there's a lot of closed-minded guys out there that are the best in the world.
02:30:10.000 So it can't be that.
02:30:11.000 That's a good point.
02:30:12.000 It can't be that.
02:30:13.000 That's a really good point.
02:30:13.000 So I thought about it for two seconds, and it has to be athleticism.
02:30:17.000 Athleticism, you get a guy coming in who's been doing gymnastics his whole life, and he's high level.
02:30:23.000 That guy's going to get really good at Jiu Jitsu in one month.
02:30:26.000 In one month.
02:30:27.000 And that's Gio and his brother Boogie.
02:30:29.000 Both of them just really quick got their black belts.
02:30:33.000 Their athleticism is just off the charts. 1.00
02:30:35.000 Yeah, they could do the craziest shit with their hands. 0.99
02:30:38.000 Standing on their hands, spinning around, landing their balance. 1.00
02:30:41.000 Their core strength is off the charts.
02:30:44.000 And the crazy thing is...
02:30:46.000 Gio got so good, so quick.
02:30:48.000 He got his black belt like Cabrinha did, got his black belt in three and a half years.
02:30:53.000 He did capoeira his whole life.
02:30:54.000 That's athleticism.
02:30:56.000 Breakdancing, the kind of breakdancing Gio does, that's athleticism.
02:30:59.000 That's like super hyper, super evolved breakdancing.
02:31:02.000 It's crazy.
02:31:03.000 So it doesn't...
02:31:04.000 He got so...
02:31:05.000 His black belt's so quick, but his rise isn't stopping. 0.99
02:31:08.000 It's not like, okay, he caught up and that's it.
02:31:10.000 That athleticism that got him that black belt so quick is going to take him to the next level quicker.
02:31:15.000 And those higher levels quicker.
02:31:17.000 He is getting better all...
02:31:19.000 Is it enough to beat someone like Hafa Mendez?
02:31:21.000 Because Hafa Mendez is...
02:31:23.000 Unreal.
02:31:24.000 Unreal.
02:31:25.000 Half a man is defensive.
02:31:26.000 No one ever does anything to him.
02:31:27.000 Anytime he loses, it's on some advantage or something if he loses.
02:31:30.000 Other than that, you can't do anything to him.
02:31:33.000 You know, there's matches of him or roles with him with Andre Gava, who's way bigger than him.
02:31:39.000 And he's tapping Andre Gava.
02:31:40.000 Keaton Cornelius.
02:31:41.000 There's a match online.
02:31:42.000 He's way bigger than Hoffa.
02:31:44.000 Hoffa got him.
02:31:45.000 Amazing.
02:31:46.000 I know there's other matches where maybe Keenan taps him, but apparently no one's tapping him.
02:31:50.000 You know, that is the top guy in the world at 145 in ADCC. We'll see if Gio's ready for that.
02:31:57.000 Maybe half a smash is Gio.
02:31:59.000 We don't know.
02:31:59.000 Maybe it's too soon right now.
02:32:00.000 Maybe it's going to take another three or four years to catch up.
02:32:03.000 But we're going to find out.
02:32:04.000 And I really believe Gio is on another level.
02:32:07.000 I roll with him all the time, man. 0.99
02:32:08.000 And I can't do shit to him no more, man. 1.00
02:32:10.000 I'm like, fuck this guy. 1.00
02:32:12.000 And he's lighter than me. 1.00
02:32:13.000 I got 20 pounds on him.
02:32:15.000 Yeah, it's amazing.
02:32:16.000 It's amazing.
02:32:17.000 It's amazing what we learned, too, that breakdancing is a doorway to jiu-jitsu. 1.00
02:32:21.000 Fuck, yes. 0.99
02:32:22.000 Gymnastics, everybody always knew wrestling, of course. 1.00
02:32:24.000 His first month, he was all over, dude. 1.00
02:32:27.000 It's like, holy shit. 0.97
02:32:28.000 Sean Bollinger brought him over to me and said, dude, this guy is on another level. 0.99
02:32:32.000 And he has a breakdancing crew called The Freak Show.
02:32:34.000 And all of those guys were doing jiu-jitsu.
02:32:36.000 And they all got good, all of them really quick.
02:32:38.000 But Gio and Boogie are the only ones that stuck with it.
02:32:41.000 The other breakdancers just went back to breakdancing.
02:32:43.000 They dabbled in it for like a year and a half and got really good, all of them, really good right away.
02:32:47.000 Professional jiu-jitsu in six months. 1.00
02:32:49.000 We're like, holy fuck! 0.99
02:32:50.000 There's moves that you do in breakdancing that require, like, insane balance and coordination and strength. 0.99
02:32:58.000 Like, Steve Maxwell had me do these crazy workouts the other day where you're doing, like, this push-up, and then you pick one hand up, and then you put one leg up, and then you lift the other knee off the ground by two inches, and you're holding it there.
02:33:12.000 So one leg's forward, you're in, like, a Superman position, right?
02:33:15.000 You're holding yourself up with one hand and one foot on the other side, and your knee is off the ground, and the leg is up, and the hand is up, and you're just holding it.
02:33:24.000 It's insanely difficult.
02:33:26.000 You've got to show me after.
02:33:27.000 I'll show you afterwards.
02:33:28.000 It's insanely difficult, but then you think about what these guys are doing.
02:33:31.000 They're standing on one hand, and they're spinning around with their legs up in the air.
02:33:36.000 It's not that old-school, standard, basic breakdancing that you saw.
02:33:40.000 Gio, their style is... 0.98
02:33:43.000 They do crazy, weird things.
02:33:45.000 They're always evolving and new moves.
02:33:48.000 And that translates to jiu-jitsu, to me, better than wrestling, better than gymnastics.
02:33:53.000 I've never seen it.
02:33:53.000 That's crazy.
02:33:54.000 I've seen him from day one.
02:33:55.000 I've seen him come up.
02:33:56.000 And what he's doing is...
02:33:58.000 And he's just getting started.
02:34:00.000 This is just the beginning of Gio.
02:34:01.000 Cut to Gary Tonin breakdancing.
02:34:04.000 I see you do.
02:34:05.000 You bring your paper, your cardboard with you. 1.00
02:34:07.000 You lay that shit out. 0.99
02:34:08.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00
02:34:10.000 Gary's very athletic.
02:34:11.000 His athleticism is off the charts, too.
02:34:13.000 He's doing backflips like it's nothing, right?
02:34:15.000 He can do a lot of crazy.
02:34:16.000 He's doing flying, rolling Kimuras. 1.00
02:34:19.000 He's doing that flying, what do you call it, scissor take.
02:34:23.000 He's doing all sorts.
02:34:23.000 He's very aerial.
02:34:24.000 So his athleticism is off the charts, as well.
02:34:27.000 What's your ultimate goal?
02:34:28.000 Do you have goals that you've set for yourself as far as your competition career, what you want to achieve?
02:34:34.000 Yeah, I think the main goal right now is to bring submission grappling to that level we're talking about, to where it's an exciting spectator sport that people can get paid to do, and it's like a career.
02:34:47.000 Obviously, personally, that's kind of my goal, but it's kind of a goal for the sport in the same sense.
02:34:52.000 It's just perfect timing.
02:34:53.000 ADCC is obviously a big goal.
02:34:56.000 You're hotter than ever.
02:34:57.000 You're the shining star of Metamorris, EBI, welterweight champion, and we're doing the welterweight championship.
02:35:04.000 It's like everything just aligned perfectly, man. 0.92
02:35:07.000 I'm like, fuck, I'm lucky that I listened to Scotty Nelson and brought Gary Tonin in. 0.99
02:35:12.000 I'm lucky, man. 0.99
02:35:13.000 Thanks for having me be a part of it, man.
02:35:15.000 I do.
02:35:15.000 I appreciate this tremendously, man.
02:35:17.000 I have to ask you about this because people keep bringing it up.
02:35:19.000 I hear you have a terrible diet.
02:35:21.000 Oh yeah, yeah.
02:35:22.000 Is that true?
02:35:23.000 Yeah.
02:35:24.000 Vegans everywhere hate me.
02:35:26.000 I don't know what it is, but...
02:35:28.000 Why do they hate you?
02:35:28.000 Well, see, I took...
02:35:30.000 So, Metamorist, the guys that videotaped the pre-fight whatever BS, right?
02:35:35.000 So, they're like, okay, watch a couple of videos that we did in the past.
02:35:39.000 And it's like Braulio and Hadolfo, and both of them are talking about their diet.
02:35:43.000 Like, oh yeah, I just eat a little bit of grass and some leaves.
02:35:49.000 And...
02:35:50.000 Now I become big and strong.
02:35:51.000 It's like, come on, man.
02:35:52.000 Are you serious?
02:35:53.000 Hadolfo just eats, like, you know, chia seeds all day?
02:35:56.000 Just papaya, my friend.
02:35:57.000 Come on, man.
02:35:58.000 Acai.
02:35:58.000 You know what I mean?
02:35:59.000 So anyway, I was just like, alright, these guys really have this clean diet.
02:36:02.000 I'll give them the real look at what my diet is really like, you know?
02:36:05.000 And for me, because I'm in between trainings all the time and stuff like that, it's just like, I eat whatever I can and I need a high, dense amount of calories all the time.
02:36:13.000 So it's like, Cheeseburgers and pizza and stuff like that.
02:36:17.000 That's my main bulk of my diet.
02:36:19.000 Now, when I weight cut, I know how to eat healthy.
02:36:22.000 When I weight cut, I do the right things.
02:36:24.000 I eat a lot of fiber.
02:36:25.000 Do you make sure you get a lot of nutrients, though?
02:36:27.000 Do you take supplements?
02:36:29.000 I definitely take vitamins and things, and then occasionally I'll pop in a few vegetables here and there.
02:36:35.000 So you don't eat many vegetables, for real?
02:36:37.000 Yeah, not on a real daily basis, that's for sure.
02:36:40.000 Me neither, man.
02:36:41.000 I'm the same one. 0.99
02:36:42.000 I eat a little salad every day, but a little bullshit El Pollo Loco salad or something, you know? 0.98
02:36:47.000 Dude, I swear to God, if you just give it a shot, just try drinking kale shakes in the morning. 0.98
02:36:52.000 Have a kale shake instead of what you normally have for breakfast. 1.00
02:36:55.000 It tastes like dog shit. 1.00
02:36:56.000 It tastes like Satan's pre-cum. 1.00
02:36:59.000 Will that cover my vegetables for the day?
02:37:02.000 Yeah.
02:37:02.000 I would imagine it would cover your vegetables to the day.
02:37:05.000 Really?
02:37:05.000 Okay.
02:37:06.000 I'm on it.
02:37:07.000 You mix up some garlic, you mix up some ginger, like a hunk of ginger, like a half a pager.
02:37:12.000 Remember what a pager was like?
02:37:14.000 Cut a pager in half, throw that in the blender.
02:37:15.000 That sounds too hard.
02:37:17.000 Kale, celery.
02:37:18.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:37:19.000 There's so much effort that just went into him explaining it.
02:37:21.000 How about Garden of Life chocolate flavor?
02:37:23.000 Is that good enough Garden of Life?
02:37:24.000 It's okay.
02:37:24.000 Look, all those things are good.
02:37:26.000 There's earth-grown nutrients that Onnit has.
02:37:28.000 Garden of Life has a bunch of drinks they sell.
02:37:30.000 Garden of Life is legit?
02:37:31.000 Very legit.
02:37:32.000 Okay.
02:37:33.000 Good stuff. 0.99
02:37:33.000 It's definitely better than not having it, but the best shit you can get is fresh vegetables. 0.99
02:37:38.000 That's the best shit. 0.99
02:37:39.000 Fresh vegetables with garlic, some fruit, maybe like pineapple or apple, some coconut oil, mix all that shit up together in a blend. 1.00
02:37:48.000 He's kicking everyone's ass. 1.00
02:37:50.000 She's kicking everyone's ass. 1.00
02:37:51.000 You're a bad motherfucker. 1.00
02:37:51.000 You're going to be fine. 1.00
02:37:53.000 You're a bad motherfucker. 1.00
02:37:54.000 I'm not saying that me eating shitty is leading to me winning or vice versa. 1.00
02:38:00.000 I definitely think that for long-term health, I study exercise science.
02:38:04.000 I have a degree in exercise science.
02:38:06.000 We had nutrition classes and everything like that.
02:38:08.000 It's clearly for your long-term health, eating well is the right thing to do, just as much as exercising is the right thing to do.
02:38:17.000 Yeah.
02:38:17.000 In terms of just my ability to do so on a day-to-day basis with my training schedule and with everything else, this is very very difficult.
02:38:24.000 That makes sense.
02:38:25.000 But I don't take as much stock into it as some people believe like, oh, this is gonna be that deciding factor that 0.1% that's gonna make you beat, you know, so-and-so.
02:38:34.000 I don't truly believe that, you know, because I mean ultimately if I lose Because my diet wasn't good that day or whatever the case may be.
02:38:44.000 I really just don't feel like I was that good at jiu-jitsu to begin with.
02:38:47.000 Like, I should be making improvements in jiu-jitsu.
02:38:50.000 Like I said, it's important, but it's not going to be the deciding factor between me beating somebody or not beating them.
02:38:57.000 That makes sense. 0.93
02:38:57.000 That's just silly. 0.93
02:38:58.000 That makes sense in some ways, but in some ways it doesn't.
02:39:01.000 Because if you think about, like, you don't have the ultimate optimal conditioning.
02:39:06.000 You don't have the ultimate...
02:39:07.000 There's always room for improvement, right?
02:39:09.000 There's always room for improvement in your coordination.
02:39:11.000 There's always room for improvement in your technique.
02:39:13.000 All those things are room for improvement.
02:39:14.000 How could there not be room for improvement in your nutritional technique?
02:39:18.000 What technique?
02:39:19.000 How do you fuel your body?
02:39:21.000 There certainly is.
02:39:21.000 There's huge room for improvement in mine.
02:39:24.000 Don't you think there's a technique to giving yourself the right amount of carbohydrates at a certain time, the right amount of protein at a certain time?
02:39:30.000 It's a couple things.
02:39:31.000 He's young, and his body has a crazy metabolism, and he's not being put in positions where...
02:39:38.000 He's getting dragged out into deep waters, and he's getting tired, and now it's the end.
02:39:44.000 It's like a 20-minute match, you're at minute 17, and he's going against Marcelo Garcia.
02:39:48.000 Then maybe that's where the diet is going to come into play.
02:39:51.000 But right now, he's blowing through everybody, so it is a matter of eating ding-dongs. 0.99
02:39:55.000 But that's what I'm saying.
02:39:56.000 It doesn't kind of make sense saying that a guy beats you, wouldn't have beaten you because of your nutrition.
02:40:01.000 I think for the most part...
02:40:03.000 Sorry, go ahead.
02:40:03.000 No, I was going to say, the Crone-Gracy fight, the end of the fight was...
02:40:07.000 Was it just his superior technique or was it a combination of being exhausted, massive expenditure of energy from both parties?
02:40:14.000 At that point, I was just in a really, really bad spot.
02:40:16.000 I mean, the guy had my back with like a body triangle.
02:40:18.000 I stood up trying to last-ditch efforts to trying to defend the choke.
02:40:22.000 It had nothing to do with...
02:40:24.000 It had nothing to do with my conditioning or anything like that.
02:40:26.000 Was I tired at that point?
02:40:28.000 I can't even remember, but I don't think I was tired.
02:40:30.000 I think I was just in a really shitty spot, and that's why I ended up, you know, tapping out because I thought I was about to go unconscious.
02:40:36.000 Right.
02:40:36.000 Not because, you know, I was tired or exhausted.
02:40:39.000 I don't think I would have...
02:40:39.000 I think if you put me in the same situation at a complete 100% right before the match, I wouldn't have gotten out any better than I did there, really.
02:40:47.000 But, yeah, man, I mean, I agree it makes a difference, but not...
02:40:51.000 Not enough for you to stay away from pizza.
02:40:53.000 It's too good.
02:40:54.000 I feel you.
02:40:55.000 It's too good.
02:40:55.000 I'm inspired.
02:40:56.000 I feel better about myself. 0.99
02:40:58.000 If I had tons of money and the ability to do that, I'd hire somebody to follow me around and feed me good shit all the time. 0.98
02:41:05.000 100% I would, but that doesn't exist. 0.96
02:41:06.000 Yeah, but you wouldn't want that anyway.
02:41:07.000 That guy would be annoying. 0.54
02:41:09.000 He'd have to fire up.
02:41:10.000 How do I get rid of this guy? 0.99
02:41:11.000 Stop telling me to get the fuck away from the pizza. 0.99
02:41:14.000 Stop it. 0.98
02:41:14.000 No, for sure. 0.98
02:41:16.000 Hey man, get away from that pizza, bro.
02:41:17.000 You gotta train later today.
02:41:18.000 Bro, we gotta keep our Lyco nupids up on a very high level.
02:41:23.000 I think the human body is an amazing thing, to be honest. 0.99
02:41:25.000 And I think that it takes pretty much whatever the fuck you put inside of it and turns it into what it needs to be. 1.00
02:41:31.000 Well, you know who was notorious for eating a cheeseburger before every fucking game? 0.99
02:41:34.000 It's Michael Jordan. 0.99
02:41:35.000 That was like his ritual.
02:41:36.000 He would go to Burger King, or McDonald's rather, and he'd get a Big Mac.
02:41:39.000 Maybe two.
02:41:40.000 And he would eat them before every game.
02:41:41.000 Michael Jordan? 0.99
02:41:42.000 Michael motherfucking Jordan would eat Big Macs. 1.00
02:41:44.000 There you go. 1.00
02:41:44.000 There you go. 1.00
02:41:44.000 What'd you say, Jamie? 1.00
02:41:45.000 You're talking while people are talking to Jamie.
02:41:47.000 Steak and potatoes.
02:41:48.000 What?
02:41:48.000 Steak and potatoes.
02:41:49.000 Steak and potatoes what?
02:41:50.000 That's what he ate every day.
02:41:51.000 Yeah, but he ate cheeseburgers before matches.
02:41:54.000 Yeah, GSP's like that too.
02:41:55.000 Hold on a second. 1.00
02:41:56.000 I'm going to Google this shit. 1.00
02:41:58.000 I was at the airport. 1.00
02:41:58.000 You're a big Jordan fan? 1.00
02:41:59.000 Yes, his pregame meal is a giant steak and baked potatoes.
02:42:01.000 In 2000, when I commentated for Pride 10, Mark Kerr, I met him at the airport at McDonald's and he was killing McDonald's. 0.99
02:42:09.000 I videotaped him and everything just to prove that, look at this athlete eating this crap. 0.99
02:42:13.000 Yeah, man. 0.99
02:42:14.000 Because I have to keep proving to people that McDonald's isn't that bad for you.
02:42:18.000 Oh, it's definitely horrible.
02:42:20.000 No, it is.
02:42:22.000 But it tastes so good.
02:42:23.000 Is it going to drastically affect my athletic performance unless I eat it 10 seconds beforehand?
02:42:27.000 No.
02:42:28.000 Every Friday, my mom would take us to McDonald's when she got paid on Friday.
02:42:32.000 So it was like a treat.
02:42:33.000 Oh, yeah.
02:42:34.000 We were raised as going to McDonald's.
02:42:36.000 This is what we've been waiting for all week.
02:42:39.000 This is Jamie saying, okay, I'm incorrect here.
02:42:41.000 He ate the same meal before every game, a 23-ounce steak, a baked potato, and a ginger ale.
02:42:46.000 That's not bad.
02:42:46.000 Big difference.
02:42:47.000 That's a big difference.
02:42:48.000 That's healthy. 0.99
02:42:49.000 Well, why did I hear that it was a fucking cheeseburger, man? 1.00
02:42:52.000 God damn it. 1.00
02:42:53.000 Who the hell was that? 1.00
02:42:53.000 Was that somebody else? 1.00
02:42:54.000 Sponsored by McDonald's.
02:42:55.000 Oh, so it was a lie?
02:42:56.000 It was like one of those things they spread out? 0.99
02:43:00.000 Okay, so this is is this like things that are just like Okay He once punched Steve someone Steve Kerr in the face during practice We don't need to see all that shit, but okay, so forget what I said Trying to say his fucking diet wasn't that good. 0.98
02:43:18.000 So we gotta take that one back. 0.96
02:43:19.000 His diet seems pretty good.
02:43:20.000 Yeah Some people would take that and say that his diet's not that good with a piece of steak and potato.
02:43:25.000 Was it grass-fed?
02:43:26.000 Yeah, probably not.
02:43:27.000 Of course not.
02:43:27.000 Probably not.
02:43:28.000 So it's just a slightly higher grade of beef.
02:43:30.000 And what do you think of that Carl's Jr. burger now, the natural burger?
02:43:33.000 It says, no steroids, no added hormones.
02:43:36.000 Yeah, it's supposed to be grass-free, right?
02:43:37.000 Grass-fed.
02:43:38.000 Grass-fed.
02:43:39.000 You know what, man?
02:43:40.000 Look, what a piece of meat is, we have all these attachments to what it is, but it's protein and water.
02:43:46.000 There's not a lot of...
02:43:49.000 There's good aspects to like some of the, like you get healthier fats from grass-fed meat because you get a healthier animal.
02:43:55.000 It's definitely better for you.
02:43:56.000 It's probably more nutritionally dense for you.
02:43:59.000 But you can get by on like regular burgers.
02:44:02.000 You can get by on regular steak.
02:44:04.000 It's still good for your body.
02:44:05.000 Human body is an amazing thing.
02:44:05.000 Yeah, you're still good for your body.
02:44:07.000 I mean, your body's taking that animal protein, and it's breaking it down, and it's making muscle with it.
02:44:12.000 It just does. 1.00
02:44:12.000 You know, and the idea that it doesn't because it's a steak, and the steak's bad for you, that's stupid. 1.00
02:44:17.000 It's a potato. 1.00
02:44:18.000 Potatoes are good for you.
02:44:19.000 Okay, you see a baked potato?
02:44:21.000 Yeah, that's really good for you.
02:44:22.000 Baked potato's the best way. 0.69
02:44:23.000 There's vitamin C and potassium in baked potato.
02:44:26.000 As a matter of fact, I think there's more potassium in a baked potato than a banana.
02:44:29.000 Yep. 0.65
02:44:30.000 So yeah, so you've got that's all healthy shit the people don't think that's healthy or people that are have an agenda They're like either vegans or they they want to promote like some really radical idea of Nutrition knife my favorite comments on the metamor the pre metamorist video was Gary Tony needs to stop eating cheeseburgers and buy some proactive What's proactive? 0.94
02:44:51.000 Like for zits or whatever? 0.98
02:44:52.000 Oh, because you got zits?
02:44:53.000 Oh, how dare they?
02:44:54.000 How rude.
02:44:55.000 Yeah, it's awesome.
02:44:55.000 Do you use anything like defense soap?
02:44:58.000 Do you fuck with that stuff? 0.99
02:44:59.000 Yeah, for a while, you know, geese soap was giving me some stuff. 1.00
02:45:03.000 I haven't had anybody like it.
02:45:04.000 Defense soap is the best.
02:45:05.000 The best.
02:45:05.000 The best.
02:45:06.000 They just sent me a box of it.
02:45:08.000 I panic when I get low.
02:45:10.000 There's such good soap, too.
02:45:12.000 There's like that stuff that's like a surgical scrub that you use. 1.00
02:45:15.000 That shit ain't good for you, dude. 1.00
02:45:16.000 No? 1.00
02:45:17.000 No.
02:45:17.000 That antibiotic soap's not good for you because it kills your natural skin flora.
02:45:21.000 The stuff that they use for hospitals, man, that's like intense antibiotics.
02:45:26.000 I only use it for my face.
02:45:28.000 Even then, man.
02:45:30.000 It might be causing zits.
02:45:31.000 Doesn't proactive work, though?
02:45:33.000 I use it for a little bit.
02:45:36.000 It worked alright.
02:45:36.000 When you're 23, sometimes nothing works.
02:45:39.000 You can only use something for so long and it just gets fucking whatever. 0.99
02:45:42.000 Just wash my face every once in a while. 0.98
02:45:44.000 I used to have a friend who worked as a fry-lator cook. 1.00
02:45:46.000 This motherfucker had the worst zits I've ever seen in my life. 0.99
02:45:49.000 A lot of times it's environmental. 1.00
02:45:51.000 When you're grappling all the time.
02:45:52.000 Oh yeah, I have long hair too. 0.87
02:45:54.000 When you're famous for choking people out and breaking legs, it don't matter if you have zits.
02:45:58.000 Eddie Bravo says it doesn't matter, so don't worry about it.
02:46:00.000 I'll just tell him that next time.
02:46:02.000 Just keep winning.
02:46:02.000 That's the plan anyway.
02:46:03.000 That's what I was going to focus on instead of my beauty.
02:46:05.000 I don't know how it goes with zits, but I know with your skin, it's actually important to not use that antibacterial soap.
02:46:11.000 Okay.
02:46:11.000 And they also say you shouldn't shower any closer than a half an hour before your match.
02:46:17.000 Before you train, rather.
02:46:18.000 Because it takes your body time to re-establish the skin floor.
02:46:22.000 Yeah, like the antibodies and stuff like that.
02:46:23.000 Guy Sacco wrote a whole thing about that.
02:46:25.000 This is the guy who owns Defense Soap.
02:46:26.000 He wrote a whole thing about that on the, I think it was on the Underground.
02:46:29.000 So you're not supposed to take a shower before you roll?
02:46:31.000 No.
02:46:31.000 Oh, don't put that out there.
02:46:32.000 Now people are going to show up stinky. 0.90
02:46:34.000 No, just stick it.
02:46:34.000 It's got to be more than a half an hour.
02:46:36.000 More than a half an hour for your skin health.
02:46:39.000 And probiotics? 1.00
02:46:40.000 You fuck with probiotics? 1.00
02:46:42.000 Only to settle my stomach occasionally, not for the prevention of skin stuff. 1.00
02:46:48.000 Eddie Bravo preaches that.
02:46:49.000 Do you get rigworm ever?
02:46:52.000 I've gotten it a few times.
02:46:53.000 It's not a consistent problem like some people have with it.
02:46:56.000 I got staph once.
02:46:59.000 I caught it before it was serious. 0.99
02:47:01.000 I don't know how some people let staff go to the point where it's a fucking hole in your skin. 0.99
02:47:07.000 Dude, as soon as I felt like a big swollen fucking pimple, I was like, yeah, it's probably staff. 0.99
02:47:13.000 I should go get that looked at. 0.99
02:47:14.000 I started to get sick.
02:47:15.000 I was like, yeah.
02:47:16.000 Seems about right. 1.00
02:47:17.000 I don't know how people don't get that shit checked out. 0.99
02:47:19.000 Some people are not too new to their body, man. 1.00
02:47:21.000 It's insane.
02:47:22.000 I told you the Ari Shaffir story, right? 1.00
02:47:24.000 We were playing pool and he was limping.
02:47:25.000 I'm like, why are you limping, man?
02:47:26.000 He's like, I got a spider bite in my knee.
02:47:28.000 I go, what?
02:47:29.000 I go, let me see your leg. 0.99
02:47:30.000 And I go, dude, that's staph.
02:47:32.000 You got to go to a doctor right now. 0.99
02:47:34.000 His knee was all swollen and it was like a zit and I was like, holy shit, dude, this is ugly. 0.99
02:47:58.000 Eddie has a good story about this. 0.99
02:47:59.000 She's going to keep putting honey on it. 1.00
02:48:01.000 It's going to be fine.
02:48:01.000 That's those anti-vaxxers.
02:48:02.000 I think it's getting better.
02:48:03.000 Those anti-vaccine dudes.
02:48:04.000 He's dead right now, but it's better for the human race because, you know, do we really want that to keep living on?
02:48:09.000 Brian Callen, his friend's wife died from staph infection, and she tried to treat it naturally and holistically.
02:48:15.000 They were doing all these different weird things, and he came over to the house and he said she looked like death and her gums were pale. 0.99
02:48:22.000 And he was like, Jesus fucking Christ, get her to the doctor, man. 0.99
02:48:25.000 Get her to the hospital. 1.00
02:48:26.000 It's insane, man.
02:48:26.000 They take her to a hospital.
02:48:27.000 It's too late.
02:48:28.000 They get her on the IV drip.
02:48:29.000 They're trying to give her IV antibiotics.
02:48:31.000 This is why people died at like 25 years old, 30 years old, because they didn't do this.
02:48:35.000 Exactly.
02:48:36.000 And especially MRSA, like the medication-resistant, there's a bunch of different strains of staff that are really difficult to deal with.
02:48:43.000 Yeah, I'm just going to keep rubbing honey on it.
02:48:45.000 It'll be fine.
02:48:45.000 Yeah, just take some parsley and just hit it with the parsley.
02:48:50.000 Yeah.
02:48:51.000 Perfect.
02:48:51.000 You'll be fine.
02:48:52.000 Those homeopathic motherfuckers are scary. 1.00
02:48:54.000 You gotta be real careful with that shit. 1.00
02:48:56.000 Sometimes you need medicine, bitch! 1.00
02:48:59.000 Yep. 1.00
02:49:00.000 Medicine! 1.00
02:49:01.000 Fucking... 1.00
02:49:01.000 Like, if you get syphilis, don't try to pray that shit away, okay? 1.00
02:49:05.000 Oh my god. 1.00
02:49:06.000 You need penicillin, motherfucker. 1.00
02:49:08.000 Penicillin. 1.00
02:49:08.000 Don't go out like Al Capone. 1.00
02:49:10.000 Alright?
02:49:10.000 They figured that out.
02:49:11.000 They figured it out, right?
02:49:13.000 Use the smart dude's knowledge.
02:49:15.000 Yeah, man. 0.98
02:49:16.000 It's like you don't just jump into jujitsu as a fucking raw white belt try to reinvent the game. 0.98
02:49:20.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:49:20.000 Right? 0.99
02:49:21.000 You shouldn't do that with medicine either.
02:49:23.000 Yep. 1.00
02:49:23.000 Non-medicine having motherfucker. 1.00
02:49:25.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:49:27.000 Try to rub honey on your staff, bitch. 1.00
02:49:29.000 That doesn't work. 1.00
02:49:31.000 Yeah.
02:49:31.000 Okay?
02:49:31.000 If it did, we would fucking use that.
02:49:33.000 Yeah, if that was the number one move is to rub honey on it, man. 0.98
02:49:36.000 Yeah.
02:49:37.000 You know, our friend Bud, his mom has cancer, and she's been taking cannabis therapy for it.
02:49:45.000 And, you know, they attribute it to a bunch of different things, but one of them being that she stopped doing chemotherapy, And it's at the same time she started doing this cannabis and her tumor shrunk by like 30% over a period of just a few weeks.
02:49:59.000 They don't know if it was the combination of the chemotherapy and the cannabis oil, but they know that the cannabis oil has a big, big effect on it.
02:50:06.000 And I've been talking to so many people that know people with cancer.
02:50:09.000 That have also gone that route and have started taking cannabis oil, that Rick Simpson's oil and a bunch of different CBD oils.
02:50:15.000 It's amazing what I'm hearing about that.
02:50:17.000 Did you see that Vice documentary on the measles virus and the HIV virus?
02:50:21.000 Isn't that incredible?
02:50:22.000 They're using the measles virus and HIV virus to kill cancer.
02:50:26.000 And so far it's working 90% of the time.
02:50:29.000 Wow.
02:50:29.000 It's amazing.
02:50:30.000 Yeah, we live in good times, man.
02:50:31.000 And HBO decided to put that episode on YouTube for free so that they're a gift to the world that's showing the progress they've made.
02:50:39.000 It seems like they've cured cancer.
02:50:40.000 That's what it seems like.
02:50:41.000 Well, if not, I mean, they're certainly making giant leaps and bounds from where they were just a decade ago.
02:50:47.000 The measles virus kills cancer.
02:50:49.000 Isn't that crazy?
02:50:50.000 And HIV! Yeah, it's nuts.
02:50:52.000 What?
02:50:53.000 It's crazy.
02:50:54.000 But you get really sick because they take you through it.
02:50:56.000 And when they gave them this measles virus, they really go into comas.
02:51:02.000 It almost seems like they're going to die.
02:51:04.000 But they were going to die anyways with the cancer.
02:51:06.000 And then they wake up from the coma and then they're cancer free.
02:51:08.000 That's bananas.
02:51:09.000 We live in crazy times, man.
02:51:11.000 Yeah.
02:51:11.000 What do you think...
02:51:12.000 This is the last question because we're almost out of time, right?
02:51:14.000 Yeah.
02:51:14.000 Five left?
02:51:15.000 Five minutes left?
02:51:16.000 What do you think about performance-enhancing drugs?
02:51:19.000 Because that is a big issue with jiu-jitsu.
02:51:21.000 You know, Steve Maxwell was just raving about it the other day.
02:51:24.000 He's like, they need to do that in jiu-jitsu.
02:51:25.000 There's too many guys that are on the juice.
02:51:27.000 What do you think about that?
02:51:28.000 Yeah, because it's not, you know, illegal in any sense.
02:51:31.000 I mean, they have, like, some light testing that they do for, like, IBJJF, but it's, like, one of those situations, again, where, like, if people know what to do, like...
02:51:37.000 They have advanced notice of the event coming up.
02:51:40.000 They know if they could be tested, whatever.
02:51:42.000 Do they pee after the event?
02:51:43.000 Is that what it is?
02:51:44.000 What's that?
02:51:44.000 They pee after the event?
02:51:45.000 Is it urine?
02:51:46.000 Yeah, they test randomly like 10 dudes or something like that.
02:51:49.000 Oh, that's it. 1.00
02:51:49.000 Yeah, it's something stupid. 1.00
02:51:51.000 I mean, it's a step in a direction, but... 1.00
02:51:54.000 Yeah, I mean, it's clearly rampant, you know, as to what to do about it.
02:51:59.000 Like, you either need to...
02:52:00.000 There's only two routes.
02:52:02.000 There's one, you just don't do anything, okay?
02:52:04.000 And then everybody has their option to use it or not use it, which, you know, whatever.
02:52:08.000 I mean, obviously the people that choose not to are going to suffer in terms of the disadvantage and not the strength.
02:52:14.000 And then the other way to go about it is you have to do it... 0.96
02:52:16.000 Fucking right and just have random testing all the time and in a way where people can't fucking cheat it. 0.95
02:52:22.000 You know what I mean? 0.94
02:52:22.000 Because if some camps get really... 0.94
02:52:24.000 Which is what happens in MMA. Some camps get really, really good at figuring out what the ways are to cheat the tests or this, that, and the other thing.
02:52:31.000 And then other guys aren't going to fucking go through that. 0.73
02:52:33.000 I mean, it gives those guys an advantage over the other guys that... 0.97
02:52:36.000 You know what I'm saying?
02:52:37.000 Yeah, of course.
02:52:38.000 So it's, I mean, dude, I mean, in a perfect world, it's like, yeah, let's get rid of it.
02:52:43.000 But it just seems like there's always, there's always a way to fucking hide it or always a way to do whatever.
02:52:48.000 So I'm just going to keep trying to get better at jujitsu. 0.83
02:52:50.000 And, you know, hopefully that saves me instead of bulging biceps.
02:52:53.000 We'll see.
02:52:53.000 Well, we've also seen a bunch of guys who are jiu-jitsu guys that got into MMA and then got caught when they got into MMA. Because then they get tested a little bit more thoroughly, and it turns out they were probably using it the entire time.
02:53:03.000 Yeah, there's tons of that, for sure.
02:53:06.000 Jiu-jitsu, MMA, whatever the case may be.
02:53:08.000 What do you think about this situation that MMA finds itself in right now?
02:53:12.000 Looking at MMA as a future prospect, getting involved in it, and you see all these guys are testing positive.
02:53:19.000 It's kind of freaky.
02:53:20.000 Something that Ronda Rousey said was kind of interesting about the idea that...
02:53:24.000 Oh, this isn't like baseball where we're using steroids to hit a ball harder. 0.99
02:53:28.000 We're using steroids and people are fucking getting knocked the fuck out. 0.99
02:53:32.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
02:53:33.000 And that's scary.
02:53:34.000 In the sense that people are getting stronger and stronger and have the ability to do serious damage to people.
02:53:40.000 So in that sense, yeah, in a martial art, I think that's super dangerous.
02:53:44.000 Yeah.
02:53:45.000 I just, you know, I don't know what the answer is, you know what I mean, in terms of what they should do or whatever the case may be with PEDs.
02:53:52.000 And it's not even just steroids.
02:53:54.000 There's tons of other stuff.
02:53:55.000 People can be taking EPOs and all different kinds of things, you know.
02:53:58.000 Well, there was an article recently online where they were saying that these businessmen, these middle-aged businessmen are taking EPO and winning cycling races.
02:54:05.000 Just entering into amateur cycling races on EPO and winning them.
02:54:08.000 Yeah.
02:54:09.000 Yeah, it just gives you such a giant advantage when you're dealing with someone who has some cycling.
02:54:13.000 You are cycling, so you have the muscle strength, and then all of a sudden you have this superhuman endurance.
02:54:18.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:54:19.000 It's just fucked. 1.00
02:54:20.000 It's fucked. 1.00
02:54:21.000 It's weird. 1.00
02:54:21.000 And it's weird that so many MMA fighters are testing positive for it now. 1.00
02:54:25.000 Yeah.
02:54:26.000 EPO? Well, Ali Bagutinov, who fought for the title against Mighty Mouse Johnson, he tested positive for EPO. Shane Mosley tested positive for EPO back in the day.
02:54:36.000 You think that's really, you know, you'd say, I mean, people always say, ah, a large percentage of professional athletes are on steroids, da-da-da.
02:54:44.000 Do you think a large percentage of them are on EPO as well?
02:54:47.000 Because cardio is so huge.
02:54:49.000 I know of many that have been on EPO. I know of many that were on EPO back in the day.
02:54:55.000 At least I know from the anecdotal stories that I heard from people that trained with them.
02:54:59.000 That there was guys that would take shows the Wild West, man.
02:55:01.000 Do you shoot EPO or eat it?
02:55:02.000 That's a good question.
02:55:03.000 I think they have a pill form now, though.
02:55:05.000 Really?
02:55:05.000 Yeah, I think so.
02:55:06.000 I could be wrong about that, but I think, yeah, they've made major advances.
02:55:09.000 So they used to have to do, like, blood transfusions in order to do it properly.
02:55:13.000 Yeah, well, there's still guys, I'm sure, that blood dope.
02:55:15.000 I'm sure they do that, because there's no test for that.
02:55:18.000 When you take your own blood out of your body, you make weight, your body has that blood regenerated in your body, and then you add more blood to your body, you have more oxygen-carrying capability.
02:55:28.000 Doesn't it take two weeks though for your body to make that blood?
02:55:31.000 That's a good question.
02:55:32.000 I don't know how long it takes, but guys could easily get a blood transfusion two weeks out.
02:55:37.000 As a matter of fact, that would give you plenty of time to recover.
02:55:39.000 If you wanted to do that, say if you take Saturday and Sunday off, You know, you train all week.
02:55:44.000 You just say, okay, I'm going to get a blood transfusion Friday or a blood withdrawal.
02:55:48.000 They're going to take my blood out Friday.
02:55:50.000 You know, you have the weekend to recover.
02:55:51.000 You go back on Monday.
02:55:53.000 You start training again. 1.00
02:55:54.000 And then they hold on to that blood for two weeks and then jack that shit back in your system. 0.99
02:55:57.000 You would most certainly have some sort of a performance advantage from that. 0.99
02:56:02.000 And I don't think they can detect that.
02:56:04.000 I really don't.
02:56:06.000 Yeah.
02:56:06.000 That was what the bikers used to do.
02:56:08.000 That was what all the cyclists used to do.
02:56:09.000 Yeah.
02:56:10.000 It's a fascinating time where people are learning more and more about how to cheat and then how to stop cheating. 0.99
02:56:18.000 The shit that Hector Lombard got caught for, I've never even heard of it before. 0.94
02:56:22.000 It's some designer steroid that was really expensive, exotic shit that it was like that clear stuff that Barry Bonds and the Victor Conte stuff where they thought that nobody knew how to detect it. 0.99
02:56:33.000 Yeah. 0.96
02:56:35.000 I don't know, man.
02:56:36.000 It's tricky. 0.99
02:56:37.000 It's very tricky, but Rhonda's point is as valid as fuck. 0.99
02:56:40.000 Yeah. 0.98
02:56:40.000 It's a different thing. 0.98
02:56:41.000 There are landing punches that you probably wouldn't be able to land.
02:56:43.000 You're doing damage, especially when you're dealing with some sort of a war where one person surges and comes on at the end and stops that person, you know?
02:56:52.000 Yeah.
02:56:52.000 That's probably a big part of it.
02:56:54.000 Yep.
02:56:54.000 Eddie Bravo's feet are on the table.
02:56:56.000 Oh, is that bad? 1.00
02:56:56.000 It might be time to end this fucking podcast. 1.00
02:56:58.000 I'm destruction. 1.00
02:56:59.000 I'm destruction.
02:57:00.000 Drops a chip. 1.00
02:57:01.000 That's to eat your fucking heel skin. 1.00
02:57:02.000 I just showered. 1.00
02:57:03.000 Excuse me.
02:57:04.000 This is where people eat and they drink coffee.
02:57:06.000 This is not for you to put your feet...
02:57:08.000 I'm sorry.
02:57:09.000 I'm sorry. 0.99
02:57:09.000 It's fucking jiu-jitsu people. 0.99
02:57:10.000 We're fucking savages. 1.00
02:57:11.000 Especially Eddie. 1.00
02:57:12.000 Eddie's always got his feet out the window, his feet on mirrors and shit. 0.98
02:57:15.000 He's sitting against walls when his chair isn't. 0.99
02:57:17.000 I'm surprised I'm not sitting against the fucking wall right now. 0.99
02:57:19.000 He's always double-lotused. 0.99
02:57:21.000 Yeah.
02:57:22.000 I'm paranoid.
02:57:23.000 Tomorrow, Eddie Bravo Invitational, only live on pay-per-view, budovideos.com.
02:57:29.000 Slash EBI. Slash EBI. 4 p.m.
02:57:33.000 Pacific Standard Time.
02:57:35.000 7 p.m.
02:57:35.000 Eastern.
02:57:36.000 Good googly moogly.
02:57:37.000 And Gary Tonin will be there. 0.99
02:57:38.000 Throwin' the fuck down. 0.81
02:57:41.000 16-man tournament, and Gary's the returning champion. 0.99
02:57:43.000 He's got a lot of killers, man.
02:57:45.000 Darryl O'Connell, he beat you?
02:57:47.000 Yeah, and he guillotined me way back in the day when we were brown belts.
02:57:51.000 Okay, so maybe it's a rematch.
02:57:53.000 If you live in Los Angeles tomorrow, it's at the Orpheum Theater in downtown LA. You can get tickets there.
02:57:59.000 Can you get tickets off your website?
02:58:02.000 EddieBravoInvitational.com.
02:58:03.000 You can get tickets. 0.98
02:58:04.000 Look at this, goddammit. 1.00
02:58:06.000 This is fucking chaos! 1.00
02:58:07.000 The $10,000 grand prize. 0.99
02:58:09.000 I dare anyone to watch this and tell me this is not exciting. 0.99
02:58:13.000 This is some crazy shit. 0.99
02:58:14.000 And this one, this is all about encouraging urgency. 0.99
02:58:17.000 So what I did was...
02:58:19.000 Winner take all.
02:58:20.000 It's like a game show.
02:58:21.000 No one else gets paid.
02:58:22.000 Just the winner to ensure urgency.
02:58:26.000 So the winner has to win four matches and he only gets paid on the matches he wins in regulation.
02:58:30.000 So there's $2,500 per match.
02:58:32.000 So it's a possible 10 grand that he could win.
02:58:35.000 And it's only going to get bigger and bigger.
02:58:37.000 We're going to go 50 grand.
02:58:38.000 We're going to go 100 grand.
02:58:39.000 Eventually a million.
02:58:41.000 Boom.
02:58:41.000 That's it.
02:58:42.000 Eddie Bravo Invitational is going down tomorrow at the Orpheum Theater.
02:58:45.000 The Orpheum Theater, I'll say it again, in downtown LA. Again, budovideos.com forward slash EBI. You can follow Eddie on Twitter.
02:58:55.000 It's Eddie Bravo, all one word.
02:58:57.000 You can follow Gary Tonin on Twitter.
02:58:59.000 It's Gary, two R's, underscore T-O-N-O-N. Gary, thank you very much, man. 0.99
02:59:05.000 Thanks so much for having me.
02:59:06.000 I'm looking forward to seeing you fight tomorrow.
02:59:07.000 It's going to be, I should say...
02:59:08.000 Compete tomorrow. 0.99
02:59:09.000 It's gonna be fucking nuts! 0.99
02:59:11.000 It's gonna be nuts! 0.99
02:59:13.000 It's gonna be awesome.
02:59:13.000 And if this is your first event that you're gonna go to or gonna see live on pay-per-view, you will not be disappointed.
02:59:19.000 There are some motherfucking savages at this. 0.98
02:59:22.000 So, thanks to everybody tuning in. 0.99
02:59:25.000 Thanks to Defense Soap. 1.00
02:59:26.000 You guys are the shit. 1.00
02:59:27.000 DefenseSoap.com. 1.00
02:59:29.000 And we'll see you next week.
02:59:30.000 Much love.
02:59:31.000 Big kiss.
02:59:34.000 Dude, I've been...