The Joe Rogan Experience - April 15, 2015


Joe Rogan Experience #634 - Abby Martin

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Abby Martin is a former reporter for Russia Today, a Russian-owned news network that focuses on the news and politics of the world. In this episode, Abby talks about her time at the network, her time covering the Ukraine crisis, and why she left to pursue a career as a freelance reporter in the media industry. She also talks about how she got her start as a reporter, and what it was like working for a government sponsored news network, and how she managed to get her foot in the door of one of the most powerful countries in the world, Russia. She also gives us a run down of what it's like to be a reporter for a foreign government, and her thoughts on the current state of relations between Russia and the United States, including the recent sanctions against Russia Today and John Kerry's call for a boycott of the network by the U.S. Also, she gives us the inside scoop on why we should be worried about Russia Today being sanctioned by the Obama administration, and if it's really as bad as they say it's getting any closer to becoming a permanent fixture on the airwaves. You won't want to miss this one! If you're a fan of the show, you'll definitely want to check out this episode! Subscribe to the podcast! Subscribe on Apple Podcasts! Subscribe Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about your ad choices. Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcast's Become a supporter of the podcast by clicking here. Thanks for listening and share this episode with your fellow podcaster! Music: "Like, Share, Share and Retweet this episode on iTunes and share it on your thoughts on your social media platforms! We'll be listening to this episode and spreading the word to your friends about it on all of your friends and posting it everywhere else! and spreading it everywhere you listen to your Insta story! Thank you for listening to it! Love ya'll can't get enough? Peace, bye bye bye, bye! <3 - Tom Bells, bye Bye Bye Bye bye - bye - Cheers, bye - Rory Mclean & Cheers - Rory Dorsey - Caitie & Gabbie - Pravy & Jacklyn - Emily Meegan <____________ - Margo & John xx - Jacklyn xx - - Eudes - Sarah - ~ - Korty - John Kasparek - Rebecca

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00:00:00.000 Wow, we are live, Abby Martin.
00:00:01.000 How do you feel about that?
00:00:02.000 I feel great. 0.99
00:00:03.000 You've done that live shit before? 1.00
00:00:04.000 Hell yeah. 1.00
00:00:05.000 Hell yeah! 0.95
00:00:06.000 You're free of the Russians. 1.00
00:00:08.000 Free.
00:00:09.000 Abby Martin, formerly of Russia Today, the lone standing voice. 0.99
00:00:12.000 You were like the person, everybody would say, Russia Today, who the fuck's gonna watch that? 0.98
00:00:16.000 Well, that chick seems to be speaking her mind. 1.00
00:00:18.000 Yeah.
00:00:18.000 Hmm.
00:00:20.000 Gave a lot of credibility to the network when you have dissent against the funder.
00:00:25.000 I mean...
00:00:25.000 Yeah, that's a weird place to be though, huh?
00:00:27.000 Like that whole Crimea thing when you were protesting, when you were talking and speaking, I guess in editorial fashion on your show about what was going on with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Crimea situation.
00:00:41.000 They were like, well, you should go there yourself and see it. 1.00
00:00:45.000 And you were like, fuck that! 0.99
00:00:47.000 Was that when you were starting to think like, man, maybe I should not be here? 0.99
00:00:50.000 Well, the problem was waking up to a press release saying that I was already going to be shipped there without asking me.
00:00:57.000 So that was when...
00:00:58.000 Shipped.
00:00:58.000 Shipped.
00:00:59.000 Yeah.
00:00:59.000 So I just said, no, I'm not going to...
00:01:01.000 I just didn't want it to be a vetted press experience for me.
00:01:04.000 You know, I wanted to make my own contacts on the ground in Kiev.
00:01:07.000 Plus it was like a war zone at the time.
00:01:09.000 I mean, maybe not Crimea, but Ukraine.
00:01:11.000 Yeah.
00:01:11.000 Even though it's part of it.
00:01:12.000 Yeah.
00:01:13.000 So I wanted to get training and also make my own contacts instead of just going with like, Vetted Russians and just like going around Russians there and being like look everything's great They're all happy like we vetted everyone already. 1.00
00:01:23.000 So here's your experience It has to be a weird gig working for Russia like the Russian sponsored news Network in America living in Washington DC like what a block from the White House yeah It's great.
00:01:39.000 You're in the belly of the beast and you're also working for the quote enemy, right?
00:01:42.000 It's amazing.
00:01:44.000 Whenever I'd meet guys at bars and they'd be like, what do you do?
00:01:46.000 I'm like, I work for Putin's propaganda machine.
00:01:49.000 I'd just like shut it down right there and just make everyone really uncomfortable.
00:01:53.000 Yeah, they'd be like, I don't want to text this chick. 0.99
00:01:55.000 I'll get on a list, you know?
00:01:58.000 I think they would put you on some sort of a list, right?
00:02:00.000 I'm assuming that everybody who's friends with you is on some sort of a list.
00:02:03.000 Well, I think, I don't like to live in fear of the NSA, but I think that obviously, you know, when you have John Kerry out there all the time fear-mongering about Russia Today and bringing it up, saying that using Russia Today as an example why the U.S. State Department propaganda apparatus needs tens of millions of dollars more funding.
00:02:21.000 Which is called the Broadcasting Board of Governors.
00:02:23.000 So it's Radio Free Europe and Voice of America.
00:02:25.000 And it's what the US does to put their propaganda out to the rest of the world.
00:02:29.000 And so John Kerry's using Russia Today as an example of how good Russia is at putting these counter talking points out there and using it to get more money.
00:02:38.000 So you know that they're paying attention and you know that they are really bothered by it. 0.93
00:02:42.000 But if they did anything like sanction the station or try to shut it down, it would look really fucking bad. 0.93
00:02:48.000 They can't go that far. 0.94
00:02:50.000 Oof.
00:02:51.000 It just shows you that the world is really just these odd shades of grey.
00:02:56.000 It's not really black and white, because obviously Putin is a dictator. 0.75
00:03:01.000 I mean, there can be no doubt, at a certain point, after a certain amount of assassinations and a certain amount of taking oligarchs' money and throwing them into jail and all the crazy shit that guy's done, he's essentially some sort of a new dictator, a new style of dictator. 0.98
00:03:18.000 And yet, Russia Today reported on some real shit and gave you a lot of freedom to report on real shit, which is weird, you know? 0.97
00:03:30.000 It gets everybody in this strange predicament, like, can I pay attention to Russia Today? 0.99
00:03:37.000 Do I trust it?
00:03:40.000 First of all, Putin's not a dictator because he was elected.
00:03:44.000 Allegedly.
00:03:44.000 But here's what's weird, is that he created this new position.
00:03:47.000 So you have Medvedev, and then you have Putin basically re-emerging, right? 0.92
00:03:51.000 It's like Bush coming back and just being like, yo, yo, yo, I'm going to fucking just create this position and just come back into government.
00:03:57.000 So he did kind of create this caveat to come back in and have like a giant sphere of influence still. 0.62
00:04:03.000 But I mean, he does have a huge...
00:04:05.000 He has huge support there, and I think in due part to this Cold War resurrection going on in the West.
00:04:11.000 So when you have Russia being bombarded with attacks constantly, it kind of reinforces that homeland feel to the people in Russia. 1.00
00:04:18.000 And they're like, fuck y'all. 1.00
00:04:20.000 You guys are just like constantly attacking us. 1.00
00:04:21.000 So we're going to kind of maintain this strength here and really be nationalistic.
00:04:25.000 So it's almost like helping Putin.
00:04:27.000 What I don't understand about the whole thing is that We're not looking at communism.
00:04:32.000 This is not the Cold War, so I don't understand what the U.S. is getting out of it when you have an oligarchy and an uber-capitalist nation that's basically in line economically with the U.S. I mean, it's run by oligarchs just like the U.S. is.
00:04:46.000 We're not talking about communism versus capitalism anymore, so what are we getting out of it to kind of continue to create this dueling narrative?
00:04:55.000 Well, I think, first of all, people are nervous about Putin.
00:05:00.000 When you look at him, you know, at least the image that's being portrayed through the media, he's this very macho guy. 0.90
00:05:08.000 You see him with his shirt off, riding horses and shit, and you have one guy, who was the guy recently that said Putin could be worth as much as $200 billion? 0.96
00:05:18.000 When you look at all the money that he's stolen, all the different people's money that he's taken, all these oligarchs that he throws in jail and takes their companies, they think that he can be worth as much as $200 billion. 0.99
00:05:31.000 You know what?
00:05:31.000 People have said that about Hugo Chavez and Maduro, too, and they take all of the nationalized Like assets into account.
00:05:39.000 They just say that Maduro owns like billions of dollars worth of wealth because of the nationalization of products.
00:05:43.000 So I don't necessarily take that at face value and say that like Putin has amassed this giant wealth that he has. 0.96
00:05:50.000 The problem with the propaganda wars is that you don't know what's fucking true. 0.89
00:05:54.000 Right, of course. 0.88
00:05:56.000 Investor, Putin could be the world's richest man with 200 billion stolen.
00:06:02.000 Who's Hermitage Capital Management?
00:06:04.000 I don't know.
00:06:05.000 Bill Prouder, CEO of Hermitage Capital Management.
00:06:08.000 It's so, so crazy.
00:06:10.000 Scroll down, Jamie.
00:06:12.000 Yeah, look at that.
00:06:15.000 Wow.
00:06:19.000 Yeah, what I love about about the propaganda war, though, is that you have all these like establishment journalists who will immediately say that Putin and he very may well have killed that dude, you know, I don't know.
00:06:32.000 But to immediately come on the media and say that Putin's politically assassinated all these people in the street right in front of the Kremlin, but then you can never ever question any sort of political assassinations that have taken place in this country. 0.83
00:06:44.000 So it's like a way to just project all of these issues when it comes to either false flag terrorism or political assassinations or just suspicious deaths outwardly and then just say like, well, that's fucking batshit if you ever apply that to our political system here. 0.95
00:06:57.000 Well, that would be sort of like if Rand Paul was assassinated. 0.86
00:07:03.000 If Rand Paul was running against Putin or against Obama, it was like second term, and he was campaigning and running against Obama and then was murdered in the street.
00:07:15.000 That would be what it would be more like.
00:07:17.000 It's a lot more brutal and open than any of the political assassinations that may or may not have taken place under the United States.
00:07:27.000 Can you think of a similar political assassination that you could attribute to the United States, like maybe Vince Foster, which allegedly was an assassination?
00:07:37.000 I mean, of course, obviously, other than the Kennedys, MLK, Which, of course, a court case found that the government was complicit in his assassination as well.
00:07:47.000 A Memphis, Tennessee court jury found that. 0.80
00:07:51.000 But yeah, I mean, actually, there was an Embassy Row bombing of a fucking just car bomb exploded and killed some leader and it came back to some complicity within the US government and another government working together. 0.98
00:08:03.000 So there has been shit like that happened. 0.96
00:08:04.000 But yeah, I mean, nothing just as overt That guy was a very vocal supporter and he thought that his fame would protect him. 0.98
00:08:17.000 That was what he thought.
00:08:19.000 That didn't work.
00:08:20.000 No.
00:08:21.000 No. 1.00
00:08:22.000 I don't know what the fuck is going on there, man. 0.99
00:08:24.000 It's so, you know, it's hard. 1.00
00:08:26.000 And this is when people would give me shit all the time. 0.98
00:08:28.000 Why aren't you talking about Russia every day? 0.99
00:08:31.000 And it's like, look, it's extremely hard to talk about any country that you don't understand fully.
00:08:38.000 I've never been there. 0.97
00:08:39.000 And also you're looking at a country that, you know, The Soviet Union collapsed not that long ago and they're figuring shit out. 0.91
00:08:46.000 And so it's kind of like our moral imposition on the Middle East and being like, you guys are so barbaric and why haven't you evolved to where we are? 0.77
00:08:54.000 And it's like, well, first of all, there's so many different factors playing into that on a completely different political evolution.
00:09:00.000 So it's just like, just hold...
00:09:16.000 Yeah.
00:09:20.000 Yeah, I don't understand Russia at all.
00:09:23.000 It's a fascinating place, though.
00:09:25.000 It's interesting to think that when we were kids, when I was a kid, we were always worried about going to war with Russia.
00:09:31.000 That was the big fear that was hanging over everyone's head.
00:09:36.000 People really would go to sleep at night terrified of potential nuclear war, and we always thought we were one incident away.
00:09:43.000 And then for a long time, it went away.
00:09:45.000 You know, when the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia became this new, much more peaceful place.
00:09:53.000 It seemed like that was never going to happen again.
00:09:56.000 And now it's all ramping up again.
00:09:59.000 They just sold missiles to Iran in the news in the last couple of weeks.
00:10:05.000 They lifted their embargo of selling missiles.
00:10:08.000 What scares me is there are two proxy wars going on right now between the US and Russia.
00:10:12.000 Ukraine and Syria.
00:10:14.000 I mean, that is happening.
00:10:15.000 That is real.
00:10:17.000 And now, you know, we have Ukraine.
00:10:19.000 Obviously, the US is openly endorsing and funding the Ukrainian government with lethal aid.
00:10:23.000 And then you have Russia arming these rebels there. 0.97
00:10:26.000 So basically the US and Russia are fighting a war in Ukraine and then you have the Assad factor where Russia is funding Assad and then you have the US openly funding these fucking jihadist Islamic terrorists essentially on the ground in Syria. 0.98
00:10:39.000 That scares me because the war is already happening. 0.96
00:10:42.000 It's just through different mediums.
00:10:44.000 Jesus.
00:10:45.000 I know.
00:10:46.000 So you were working for Russia today.
00:10:48.000 First of all, how did you get that gig?
00:10:50.000 How does one get a gig and like working for Russia today and was there any hesitation on your part?
00:10:58.000 Yeah.
00:11:20.000 To respond to like 80 hippies camping out in a park. 0.99
00:11:23.000 So I was like, this is fucking crazy. 0.98
00:11:25.000 And then Russia Today was the only like legitimate news organization covering the Occupy movement. 0.99
00:11:31.000 So during that time, the mainstream media was ridiculing Occupy so hard.
00:11:36.000 And I just kept seeing videos pop up of like Russia Today, this little like Russian with the green logo.
00:11:41.000 And I was like, what is this network?
00:11:42.000 Why is it the only one covering Occupy? 0.97
00:11:44.000 I didn't really give a shit, though, because I was just like, this is great that this network is covering it. 0.98
00:11:49.000 I don't know why, but that's amazing. 0.98
00:11:51.000 So I became kind of the liaison in Oakland for RT and DC and New York and Moscow and I was just like kind of conveying what I was seeing and a lot of my videos went viral from my website media routes that I was covering, you know, the police raids and them tear gassing people.
00:12:06.000 One of my videos helped Scott Olson win his court case, the guy who got shot with the tear gas canister at his face like in point blank range.
00:12:12.000 Anyway, so RT just really liked the videos that I was doing and asked me to come there for an interview and I just said there's no way I want to move to DC. That sounds horrible.
00:12:22.000 But I just couldn't pass up the opportunity and they said that they wanted me to have a show and just do exactly what I was doing and just rant and have an international platform to do so.
00:12:33.000 The only hesitation that I had, I mean, I talked to someone who initially interviewed me for RT and I asked her, why do you work here?
00:12:39.000 Like, why is Russia today covering things that activists care about?
00:12:43.000 Like, what is what is going on here?
00:12:45.000 And she was like, look, if I have to work for the Russian government to tell the truth about what's happening in my country.
00:12:50.000 I'm going to go.
00:13:06.000 That's great.
00:13:07.000 And I mean, the editorial freedom that RT gives is completely unmatched.
00:13:11.000 And of course, people are going to levy that gross generalization that everything on the network's propaganda.
00:13:17.000 The problem is everything's propaganda. 0.99
00:13:19.000 Every fucking thing is propaganda. 0.99
00:13:21.000 Tell me one media source that is not... 0.99
00:13:24.000 Used in some way to push a viewpoint or a bias.
00:13:27.000 Everyone has bias.
00:13:28.000 There is no such thing as, like, neutrality.
00:13:31.000 You know, everyone comes with an opinion.
00:13:32.000 Everyone comes with a bias.
00:13:34.000 And I'd rather know the bias, which is Russia Today. 0.97
00:13:36.000 You may not get the truth about Russia from going to Russia Today and watching Russia Today, but you will get the fucking truth about the U.S. government.
00:13:43.000 And you will get the truth about corporations because it's state-funded so you can talk about those things without worrying about advertisers and sponsorship.
00:13:50.000 So I always tell people, navigate around the bias.
00:13:53.000 No, I'm not gonna tell people that there is no bias. 1.00
00:13:56.000 That's fucking stupid. 1.00
00:13:57.000 Of course there is. 1.00
00:13:58.000 It's Russia today.
00:13:59.000 It's funded by the Russian government.
00:14:01.000 So there's a lot of factors that go into that, but I'd much rather know the bias blatantly in front of my face than not know the tens of thousands of, like, special interests and conflicts of interest going into the entire corporate media apparatus and all these other agencies.
00:14:14.000 I mean, and that's even scarier because you have people on those channels that have been fired for criticizing the U.S. government, and it's not even state-funded media.
00:14:22.000 It's just corporate media.
00:14:24.000 The other thing about what you were doing that I thought was really interesting was you weren't easily definable.
00:14:30.000 There's liberals and there's conservatives and they're on television and they kind of stick to a narrative because it makes their career more definable, who they are.
00:14:43.000 The best examples are the really ridiculous Republican guys, like the Hannity guys. 0.76
00:14:49.000 They're putting on a show, like the Bill O'Reillys. 0.97
00:14:52.000 Those guys are putting on a show, whether they realize it or not.
00:14:55.000 You will know their opinions long in advance before you ever hear it from their mouth, because you know what they're gonna be.
00:15:02.000 It's real simple cut and dry.
00:15:03.000 There's gonna be no surprises, there's no subtlety, there's no nuance, there's no consideration of all the objective facts that go into all these different things and objective reasoning.
00:15:13.000 There's none of that.
00:15:14.000 It's just, this is a Republican.
00:15:15.000 This is a Democrat.
00:15:17.000 This is Alan Combs.
00:15:18.000 And he's going to argue with this guy, because this guy is Joe Scarborough, and he's a no-nonsense Republican.
00:15:24.000 Who has a dead intern that has not explained.
00:15:27.000 What happened?
00:15:28.000 Joe Scarborough, who used to be like a congressman, and one day his intern was just found dead in his office.
00:15:34.000 What?
00:15:34.000 Yeah, and he was like having an affair with her.
00:15:36.000 I don't know.
00:15:37.000 No! 1.00
00:15:37.000 I swear to fucking God. 1.00
00:15:38.000 Wait a minute. 1.00
00:15:39.000 He was having an affair with her?
00:15:40.000 That's what they say!
00:15:42.000 Who are they? 1.00
00:15:43.000 That's that fucking they! 1.00
00:15:43.000 That's what they say! 1.00
00:15:45.000 They say, the experts say that, Joe.
00:15:47.000 See what you can find, Jamie. 0.99
00:15:48.000 Yeah, find that shit, because every time Joe Scarborough will tweet something out, all the responses are like, what about your dead intern, Joe? 0.99
00:15:54.000 Like, no one has let him live it down. 1.00
00:15:56.000 Whoa.
00:15:57.000 So when did this take place?
00:15:58.000 2001. Okay, so it was a long time ago.
00:16:01.000 Yeah, but...
00:16:01.000 14 years.
00:16:02.000 Lori.
00:16:03.000 And now, do you know that...
00:16:04.000 Lori.
00:16:05.000 Office worker.
00:16:06.000 His co-anchor or whatever on that show, Morning Joe, is Brzezinski's daughter.
00:16:11.000 Did you know that?
00:16:12.000 He's a big new Brzezinski's daughter.
00:16:13.000 Who?
00:16:14.000 Who's Brzezinski?
00:16:15.000 He is like an oligarch, like, neoliberal strategist who wrote a book called The Grand Chessboard.
00:16:21.000 It's like this giant, like, overlooking policy base.
00:16:24.000 I mean, Obama's read his book.
00:16:26.000 He's a very influential global leader in terms of, like, policymaking and foreign policy.
00:16:31.000 He's kind of like an overseer of a lot of political ideology and thought that has been applied.
00:16:39.000 Brzezinski's daughter, it just shows you the ancestral nature of the whole corporate media that you have like, you know, Andrea Mitchell and all these people have really close connections to the political establishment and very high places.
00:16:51.000 The Gary Condit thing everybody knew about.
00:16:54.000 Everybody heard about that scandal.
00:16:57.000 Chandra Levy, she disappeared, she was turned up murdered, and he was never charged, and it was all very creepy.
00:17:04.000 I never heard a word of this.
00:17:07.000 Oh, so she was 28 years old.
00:17:09.000 She was dead.
00:17:10.000 She was found dead.
00:17:11.000 No foul play or any outward indication of suicide.
00:17:15.000 Well, what does that mean?
00:17:16.000 Right.
00:17:16.000 Well, she was just found on the ground, and they said that she, like, hit her head on the desk and just died.
00:17:21.000 It makes no sense, really.
00:17:23.000 It really makes no sense.
00:17:24.000 How convenient.
00:17:26.000 She was found slumped next to a desk in the floor of the Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough's Fort Walton Beach office where Laurie had served as consultant service.
00:17:33.000 So how do they know that...
00:17:35.000 Is there any evidence at all that they had an affair? 0.99
00:17:39.000 Or is it just bullshit talk? 0.99
00:17:41.000 Or just talk, rather, I should say. 0.99
00:17:43.000 What they say.
00:17:44.000 That's what they say, Joe.
00:17:45.000 That's what they say.
00:17:46.000 That's what they say.
00:17:48.000 Yeah, well...
00:17:49.000 It's just crazy.
00:17:50.000 Yeah.
00:17:50.000 It's just weird, right?
00:17:52.000 I mean, who just dies at 28 with, like, no...
00:17:54.000 I mean...
00:17:55.000 What a bummer.
00:17:56.000 What happened?
00:17:57.000 Did she have a heart attack?
00:17:58.000 It's also...
00:17:59.000 When someone does die like that, it's all, like...
00:18:03.000 How does the person who is guilty, or accused rather, how do they react?
00:18:08.000 Right.
00:18:09.000 You know, are they bummed out that that person's gone, or are they immediately like, like, it wasn't me!
00:18:15.000 Tell you one thing, definitely wasn't me.
00:18:18.000 I have a feeling how Joe reacted that day.
00:18:20.000 Slightly relieved.
00:18:23.000 This is very strange.
00:18:25.000 It is.
00:18:25.000 I didn't know that.
00:18:27.000 It is.
00:18:27.000 Okay.
00:18:42.000 They're watching the media and they just think that there's just two camps, two parties that, you know, and it's bullshit, and both are perpetuating really disastrous policies on a domestic and foreign policy front. 0.97
00:18:54.000 They're indistinguishable when it comes to war, so... 0.98
00:18:57.000 Well, look at this, look at this. 1.00
00:18:58.000 You found some shit? 1.00
00:18:59.000 The medical examination... 1.00
00:19:01.000 The medical examiner, Dr. Michael Berkland, said she had a past medical history that was significant, but it remains to be seen whether that played a role in her death.
00:19:09.000 Soon after, a member of the immediate family reached out, rejected out of hand that Lori had any significant medical problems.
00:19:16.000 She was, in fact, quite an athlete.
00:19:18.000 Having recently run an 8K and a very respectable time, and she belonged to the Northwest Florida Track Club.
00:19:25.000 As a result of the mandatory autopsy, however, it was deemed inconclusive.
00:19:29.000 Dr. Birkeland ordered more specific toxicology tests.
00:19:33.000 The results were expected by the middle of the following week.
00:19:35.000 On the first or second day of August, Dr. Birkeland commented on the time.
00:19:39.000 This turns over several puzzle pieces in the case of her death and reveals more of the picture.
00:20:13.000 Now listen to this. 1.00
00:20:16.000 Motherfucker. 1.00
00:20:17.000 And then look at down below. 1.00
00:20:19.000 It says basically that she would have never killed herself.
00:20:22.000 I'm sorry, was it a suicide or not?
00:20:23.000 Like I thought that they ruled it out.
00:20:25.000 Yeah, I thought she fell.
00:20:25.000 What is going on here?
00:20:26.000 Jesus Christ.
00:20:27.000 Look, it says Lori died as a result of a blow to the head.
00:20:30.000 Because of an undiagnosed condition.
00:20:32.000 Because of an undiagnosed heart condition caused her to collapse and fall.
00:20:34.000 See, that's what I'm saying.
00:20:35.000 Hitting her head on the desk. 0.79
00:20:36.000 Sounds very sketchy. 0.99
00:20:37.000 It's super hard to kill somebody by hitting their head on the desk. 1.00
00:20:39.000 Like you gotta really fucking whack your head. 1.00
00:20:43.000 Like, it can happen, boy, but it's not likely. 0.99
00:20:47.000 If you fall and just bang your head off the desk, that's what your skull's for.
00:20:51.000 Right. 0.95
00:20:51.000 Your skulls can't hear you when you talk. 0.95
00:20:53.000 You're not on a microphone.
00:20:55.000 Abby's friend's getting a little excited here.
00:20:57.000 She falls, hits her head, dies. 0.99
00:21:01.000 This shady fucking medical examiner The whole thing is weird. 1.00
00:21:06.000 Isn't it? 1.00
00:21:06.000 Boy, someone needs to look into that. 1.00
00:21:07.000 So Cold Files, those TV shows, they bust everybody?
00:21:10.000 Yeah.
00:21:11.000 Need to look into that.
00:21:11.000 But there's not much you can do after all this time.
00:21:14.000 You know, when you're talking about like 14 years later.
00:21:17.000 Yeah, it's still sketch, though.
00:21:19.000 Well, you ever look into the Vince Foster?
00:21:22.000 I read a book, The Strange Death of Vince Foster.
00:21:26.000 That was the guy that was involved in, what was it called, Whitewater?
00:21:30.000 Was the Clinton scandal, the real estate scandal the Clintons were involved in.
00:21:35.000 He had some knowledge of that.
00:21:37.000 He was found, he committed suicide, but he still had the gun in his hand, which never happens.
00:21:42.000 The gun goes flying out of everyone's hand. 0.97
00:21:44.000 When you shoot yourself, bang!
00:21:46.000 You know, the gun goes flying. 0.97
00:21:47.000 He still had the gun in his hand.
00:21:48.000 There was a lot of blood missing from his body, but almost none at the scene of the crime.
00:21:52.000 They're almost absolutely convinced that his body was moved, and that somehow or another he was moved to the spot where they found him.
00:21:59.000 But yet, that was it.
00:22:00.000 Guy killed himself, shot himself in the head.
00:22:02.000 Here's the gun. 0.92
00:22:03.000 We're good.
00:22:03.000 We're good here.
00:22:04.000 We're good.
00:22:05.000 That's insane, man.
00:22:07.000 Well, I think if you're one of those cats that's willing to send people to war, and you have to be to be a president, almost every single, I guess let's say every single president responsible for someone's death.
00:22:19.000 Even, you know, think of like the most, I guess Jimmy Carter would be the most peaceful guy.
00:22:25.000 He had to be responsible for someone dying, right?
00:22:28.000 Yeah.
00:22:29.000 Gerald Ford had to be responsible for someone dying.
00:22:31.000 Reagan, for sure.
00:22:33.000 They're all responsible. 0.99
00:22:34.000 I guess it's not that hard to just fucking... 1.00
00:22:36.000 This guy is gonna sing and he's gonna fuck up everything and he's gonna ruin America. 1.00
00:22:41.000 Let's just take him out. 0.99
00:22:43.000 Well, perfect example of this is the anthrax attacks. 0.99
00:22:46.000 Have you heard what the fuck is going on with this? 0.98
00:22:49.000 No. 0.99
00:22:49.000 Oh my god, man. 0.99
00:22:51.000 All right.
00:22:52.000 So, first of all, when the anthrax letter...
00:22:55.000 You know what happened, right?
00:22:56.000 We'll explain it for folks who don't know.
00:22:58.000 So, right after 9-11, the nation was in a complete, like, traumatized state of hysteria and fear, right?
00:23:05.000 So, literally, like, weeks later, I think it was, like, October, maybe even late September.
00:23:10.000 I think it was October, though.
00:23:11.000 The first anthrax letters were sent...
00:23:14.000 In the mail.
00:23:15.000 And they said, like, death to America, death to Israel, like, on these letters.
00:23:20.000 And they were sent, oddly enough, to, like, Tom Daschle and other, like, people who were opposed to the Patriot Act at the time.
00:23:27.000 And also it killed five postal workers.
00:23:29.000 It got sent to, like, reporters and congressman's office and five postal workers ended up dying.
00:23:35.000 Some of them were fake. 0.98
00:23:37.000 Basically what came out after Cheney and Rumsfeld and all these assholes went all over the media and started tying anthrax to Saddam immediately and immediately saying that it was all Islamic terrorism. 0.98
00:23:49.000 Weeks later it came out that it wasn't Islamic terrorism. 0.98
00:23:53.000 After, you know, you have Colin Powell holding up the vial of anthrax at the UN, like using all of this to connect to Saddam Hussein, saying that there's like anthrax labs there and you have Judith Miller at the New York Times basically printing like all this bullshit about anthrax and bioterror coming from Iraq. 0.85
00:24:09.000 All at the same time.
00:24:10.000 Then it comes out that it came...
00:24:12.000 It was a high-grade, like, anthrax strain, the AIMS strain, that came from a U.S. bioweapons lab within our own country, within our own government facilities. 0.74
00:24:23.000 Then they blame this guy called Stephen Hatfield for years.
00:24:28.000 They blame this guy who worked within the lab, and it was like case closed. 1.00
00:24:32.000 They basically ruined this guy's fucking life. 1.00
00:24:34.000 They... 1.00
00:24:37.000 I think?
00:24:51.000 I don't know, like six million dollars for being falsely accused as the anthrax perpetrator for years and years.
00:24:58.000 You know, they're stalking this guy, they're like threatening his family, searching through his garbage, makes him, you know, ruins his life essentially.
00:25:07.000 And then next, they blame this other guy named Bruce Ivins.
00:25:12.000 Once again, he had, like, there is no actual evidence that this guy did it.
00:25:16.000 So Bruce Ivins was just another guy who worked with him.
00:25:19.000 He was like a specialist in anthrax and they tried to pin it on him.
00:25:23.000 Tried to threaten his hospitalized daughter.
00:25:26.000 Bribe her. 0.97
00:25:27.000 Searched his trash, stalked him for months and months.
00:25:30.000 And he was a toxicologist as well. 0.92
00:25:33.000 He ended up dying, committing suicide by taking an overdose of Tylenol, which is actually a really insane, horrible way to die.
00:25:41.000 And it would toxify your liver, take like three days to die.
00:25:44.000 And that would be really awful for someone who's a toxicologist and knows... 0.91
00:25:48.000 How to kill yourself quickly.
00:25:50.000 Why would you kill yourself that way? 0.87
00:25:52.000 And then, so that was case closed, right?
00:25:54.000 So here we are with no actual proof that Bruce Evans really did the anthrax.
00:25:58.000 All of his co-workers are like, he didn't do it.
00:26:00.000 There is no proof.
00:26:01.000 He would never have done this.
00:26:02.000 He was helping the government with the investigation.
00:26:04.000 Here you have, fast forward a couple years, The FBI agent in charge of the anthrax case, this just came out a couple weeks ago, the FBI agent is now suing the government.
00:26:13.000 He's suing the FBI because he's saying you purposefully hid evidence that proved that Bruce Ivins was not the perpetrator.
00:26:21.000 There's exculpatory evidence that shows that he was not.
00:26:23.000 I am suing you guys for fucking up the investigation. 0.52
00:26:26.000 You put all these like low-level interns To run this investigation, and it was totally botched from the get-go. 0.96
00:26:35.000 Obama administration shut this down.
00:26:37.000 He shut down the case.
00:26:38.000 He said they didn't want to reopen the anthrax case.
00:26:40.000 Okay, best case scenario on the anthrax attacks is that there's still a bioweapons terrorist running around free.
00:26:47.000 That's the best case scenario.
00:26:48.000 Worst case scenario is that the government is complicit.
00:26:52.000 And either way, the government's complicit because they are not investigating who the actual perpetrator is or wanting to find them.
00:26:59.000 So whoever did it is out there.
00:27:00.000 Yes.
00:27:01.000 Whoa.
00:27:02.000 Yep.
00:27:03.000 Yeah, I had not looked into that at all. 0.99
00:27:05.000 It's almost like there's too much shit going on. 0.99
00:27:07.000 You can't pay attention to everything. 1.00
00:27:09.000 And if you do pay attention to it, you can't keep paying attention to it because some new shit comes on. 0.99
00:27:13.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:27:14.000 But I mean, this is huge.
00:27:15.000 This is the U.S. government being complicit in a bioterror attack.
00:27:19.000 We went to Duncan Trussell.
00:27:21.000 Duncan Trussell and I went to the Center for Disease Control in Galveston, the big lab that they have, where they keep all the anthrax and all the Ebola locked behind four-foot-thick concrete walls and bulletproof glass and everybody wears spacesuits. 0.97
00:27:37.000 It's fucking creepy. 0.97
00:27:39.000 It's so creepy. 0.99
00:27:41.000 And they're working on this stuff and trying to find cures for it.
00:27:44.000 I did this episode of that sci-fi show I did where we talked about weaponized diseases and viruses.
00:27:51.000 I talked to guys from the Soviet Union and talked to guys that used to run the weapons division of the Soviet Union.
00:28:00.000 The weaponized disease version.
00:28:03.000 And they were telling me they had trenches of anthrax.
00:28:07.000 Like, trenches.
00:28:08.000 They had enough anthrax to kill the entire country.
00:28:11.000 Why?
00:28:12.000 Exactly.
00:28:13.000 I don't know.
00:28:14.000 I don't know.
00:28:14.000 I don't understand it.
00:28:16.000 I mean, I think during the Cold War, when everything was really crazy, I think they were just ramping it up.
00:28:21.000 Everybody was preparing for mutual self-destruction.
00:28:24.000 I guess my biggest question about it is, if the government had nothing to do with it, why botch the investigation so hard?
00:28:33.000 Why hide evidence to just try to pin it on this guy?
00:28:35.000 Why was the Bush administration and press people on Cipro, which is like a really intense antibiotic for anthrax strain, before the attacks even happened?
00:28:45.000 They were?
00:28:46.000 Yeah.
00:28:47.000 Who gave it to them?
00:28:48.000 Exactly.
00:28:49.000 Exactly.
00:28:50.000 These are all questions that I have that I've never been addressed.
00:28:53.000 And also, why would the letters be sent to people who are opposing the Patriot Act?
00:28:56.000 And also, why would they frame Muslims in the letters?
00:28:59.000 Like, nothing about it makes any sense at all.
00:29:02.000 Very strange, man.
00:29:03.000 Very strange. 1.00
00:29:04.000 John Ashcroft was a, and still is, a creepy motherfucker. 1.00
00:29:09.000 All of them are. 1.00
00:29:10.000 Somebody sent me a vinyl album of John Ashcroft was in some sort of a Let's watch it.
00:29:32.000 Let's watch it!
00:29:33.000 Let's watch it.
00:29:34.000 The idea that this maniac somehow or another got into office, if you've never seen it, have you seen the guy sing the Bank of America song?
00:29:42.000 Guy was like super psyched to work for Bank of America.
00:29:45.000 You ever seen the Bank of America song?
00:29:46.000 It's equally, maybe more creepy, but Ashcroft, at least the Bank of America guy is just working at a bank.
00:29:53.000 And he loves Bank of America in some strange way.
00:29:57.000 Remember when John Ashcroft hid the titties of the Lady Justice with purple drape? 1.00
00:30:01.000 Yeah, he was a fucking creeper. 1.00
00:30:03.000 Like Haley Bopp Comet style, like the cult, the purple velvet. 1.00
00:30:07.000 So bizarre, man.
00:30:09.000 Let's hear him.
00:30:10.000 You've heard Karl Rove rapping, right?
00:30:12.000 I'm MC Rove and I'm...
00:30:15.000 What?
00:30:15.000 Yeah, it's super weird.
00:30:17.000 Really?
00:30:17.000 Yeah.
00:30:18.000 No.
00:30:20.000 Let's go with Ashcroft first.
00:30:23.000 Karl Rove rapped? 0.98
00:30:24.000 Yeah, it's disgusting. 0.98
00:30:26.000 He just looks like Porky Pig on stage just running around.
00:30:33.000 Do we have the video?
00:30:34.000 We need to see this.
00:30:41.000 He's like at some like pharmaceutical, you know, like some like think tank.
00:30:46.000 Oh my god.
00:30:51.000 Who will let him do this?
00:30:53.000 I didn't realize that he actually sang this much.
00:30:56.000 Oh yeah.
00:30:57.000 I had no idea.
00:30:59.000 Door.
00:31:00.000 Door.
00:31:01.000 Door.
00:31:06.000 That we started.
00:31:10.000 This is five minutes long.
00:31:22.000 It's so bad, too.
00:31:23.000 It seems like he must have wrote it, right?
00:31:25.000 This is horrible.
00:31:35.000 How is she different?
00:31:36.000 Was he doing a parody?
00:31:38.000 No, no, no.
00:31:39.000 I want to know how her soaring this time is different than her other soaring.
00:31:42.000 How can she soar like she's never soared before? 0.98
00:31:45.000 It's fucking soaring, okay, dude? 0.99
00:31:47.000 It's not like complex math. 0.99
00:31:49.000 She's just flying around. 1.00
00:31:50.000 Yeah, she's a fucking bird. 1.00
00:31:51.000 Yeah, I mean, what is she doing so different, you fuck? 1.00
00:31:54.000 Let her soar like she's never soared before. 1.00
00:31:57.000 What does she do? 1.00
00:31:57.000 Is she getting crazy? 1.00
00:31:58.000 Is she flying down like two inches above the ground and then back up to the sky and then down again? 0.85
00:32:03.000 She's soaring like she's never soared before. 1.00
00:32:05.000 This bitch is crazy. 1.00
00:32:07.000 Look at him. 1.00
00:32:11.000 That's a mentally ill person. 1.00
00:32:13.000 Right. 0.99
00:32:13.000 That's what that is. 0.99
00:32:14.000 That's a person who has a mental illness. 1.00
00:32:16.000 First of all, he's socially retarded. 1.00
00:32:18.000 He doesn't realize that this is a ridiculous thing that he's doing. 0.98
00:32:21.000 He doesn't realize how awful it is in terms of like the artistic value of his work. 0.92
00:32:25.000 Right.
00:32:26.000 Unbelievably bad music. 1.00
00:32:28.000 And he's a fucking creep. 1.00
00:32:30.000 Wrapping it up. 1.00
00:32:31.000 All those things together. 1.00
00:32:33.000 God damn. 1.00
00:32:34.000 So here's Karl Rove rapping. 1.00
00:32:37.000 What is this?
00:32:39.000 A radio television correspondence? 1.00
00:32:40.000 You know those stupid correspondent dinner that everyone goes to and it's like a giant circle jerk? 1.00
00:32:47.000 Okay. 1.00
00:32:48.000 Look at his hair.
00:32:56.000 He's so creepy. 1.00
00:33:00.000 Besides fuck dudes. 1.00
00:33:02.000 Besides skin babies. 1.00
00:33:05.000 I'd like to go home, get a drink, get a non-alcoholic nature. 0.96
00:33:11.000 Jerk off. 0.97
00:33:11.000 Jerk bush off, actually. 0.97
00:33:13.000 Non-alcoholic drink.
00:33:14.000 Tear the tops off small animals.
00:33:16.000 Tear the tops off small animals.
00:33:18.000 They're so better when they're tired.
00:33:20.000 Is that what he said?
00:33:21.000 Tear the tops off small animals?
00:33:22.000 That's what he said.
00:33:24.000 The thing is he's not joking.
00:33:27.000 Other than tearing the tops off small animals?
00:33:37.000 What does that mean?
00:33:42.000 God, I hope it's stamps.
00:33:45.000 This is so awkward.
00:33:48.000 Who's the dude?
00:33:49.000 Probably some like douchebag journalist who's like the highlight of his life.
00:33:54.000 What's that?
00:33:55.000 Oh really?
00:33:56.000 Oh yeah. 0.96
00:34:03.000 This is so fucking weird. 0.96
00:34:07.000 You might want to try the booze. 0.98
00:34:09.000 Hey, uh...
00:34:10.000 Hey, uh...
00:34:13.000 Okay, here he goes.
00:34:14.000 Wow, they brought a black guy on stage for this? 1.00
00:34:17.000 What the fuck? 1.00
00:34:31.000 He's a man. 1.00
00:34:32.000 He's a treasure trove.
00:34:33.000 Tell me what is your name?
00:34:35.000 I'm MC Rose.
00:34:37.000 That's right.
00:34:38.000 He can't be This is so bad.
00:34:44.000 Oh God, I can't.
00:34:48.000 I can't.
00:34:53.000 Whoa.
00:34:55.000 This is just the comedian though.
00:34:57.000 Right, this is not even, yeah.
00:34:58.000 I had a weird memory of him actually rapping, I guess.
00:35:01.000 Maybe he does later. 0.97
00:35:03.000 He's so hideous.
00:35:08.000 They're really getting into it. 0.89
00:35:11.000 Look at him dancing. 0.98
00:35:18.000 The black guy does not want any part of this. 0.99
00:35:20.000 Look at him. 0.99
00:35:21.000 He's like barely moving. 0.98
00:35:23.000 They totally made him come up there just because he's black. 0.95
00:35:25.000 I know. 1.00
00:35:26.000 He realizes while he's up there, he's like, I know why they brought me up here, these fucks. 0.99
00:35:30.000 It's not Wayne Brady, is it? 0.96
00:35:32.000 It's Wayne Brady was on Whose Line Is It Anywhere, but the contrast is not so good.
00:35:36.000 I hate to be racist, but we can't tell if it's Wayne Brady.
00:35:39.000 No, it's not Wayne Brady.
00:35:40.000 How many chins does Karl Rove have? 0.66
00:35:42.000 Well, it's just one sloping, bulbous, cancerous, tumor-like chin.
00:35:48.000 This is so painful.
00:35:50.000 Yeah.
00:35:51.000 Well, he only says MC Rove.
00:35:53.000 A bunch of old white dudes. 0.90
00:35:53.000 Yeah. 0.90
00:35:54.000 Wow.
00:35:55.000 Sorry to put you through that.
00:35:58.000 Those press dinners are strange.
00:36:00.000 They're horrible.
00:36:01.000 Those are really weird.
00:36:02.000 It's like the antithesis of what journalists should be doing, you know, going and like, I don't even know, just going and honoring politicians and schmoozing with them and rubbing elbows with them.
00:36:12.000 It's just strange.
00:36:13.000 They get co-opted, right?
00:36:14.000 Oh, yeah.
00:36:15.000 Well, they must.
00:36:15.000 I remember when Dennis Miller said that he wouldn't make jokes about George Bush.
00:36:20.000 And he goes, she's my friend, he gets a pass.
00:36:22.000 Like, gets a pass? 1.00
00:36:24.000 Like, you're a fucking comic, man. 1.00
00:36:26.000 You're a comic, and he's the president. 1.00
00:36:28.000 You gotta, you can't goof on him at all?
00:36:30.000 Well, it's just like when Eddie Murphy said he wasn't gonna make fun of Bill Cosby.
00:36:35.000 Well, I think he just didn't want to do a sketch, which is kind of understandable, if you're Eddie Murphy, especially because he's talking about it while he's got his foot pushing against his own closet, you know, 0.99
00:36:51.000 trying to keep that bitch shut. 1.00
00:36:53.000 Skeleton fingers are poking out of it. 1.00
00:36:55.000 That's true.
00:36:56.000 I mean, he's a guy who's been arrested with transvestites. 1.00
00:36:59.000 Maybe he might want to shut the fuck up about a scandal. 0.99
00:37:02.000 I mean, it just doesn't seem like a smart thing to do. 0.99
00:37:06.000 If you've got a little dirt that you're trying to cover up your own stuff, you might want to shut the fuck up. 0.99
00:37:11.000 The Cosby thing was a very dark one, though. 0.99
00:37:14.000 It just keeps going.
00:37:16.000 I worked at this place that told me that Cosby wanted people to watch him eat.
00:37:23.000 He wanted people to sit and watch him eat.
00:37:26.000 And he wanted the security guard to tuck him into bed at night.
00:37:31.000 Are you kidding me?
00:37:32.000 No, not.
00:37:32.000 Security guy at the casino, they wanted him to tuck him into bed at night.
00:37:37.000 Like he has all these like bizarre demands that he wants people to do.
00:37:41.000 They said that he was very strange.
00:37:44.000 They said he was very strange.
00:37:45.000 Like you got this weird feeling around him like you never really...
00:37:50.000 There was no real connection with him.
00:37:52.000 It was entirely about you being in the presence of Bill Cosby and a bunch of stuff that you had to do in order to make Cosby happy.
00:38:00.000 And then, you know, he would leave and everybody would go like, whoa. 1.00
00:38:03.000 The thing that's so creepy about it is that he could have fucked all these women, I'm sure, but instead he wanted to rape their lifeless bodies. 1.00
00:38:10.000 He wanted to rape like a dead body. 1.00
00:38:12.000 Allegedly. 0.99
00:38:12.000 That's allegedly, sorry. 0.99
00:38:14.000 You know, when it comes to be 30 women. 1.00
00:38:16.000 When it gets 100, then we could say he did it.
00:38:19.000 You want to hear a really creepy story about Cosby? 1.00
00:38:21.000 So this woman from AP interviewed him years ago before Hannibal Buress resurrected the serial rapist shit. 1.00
00:38:28.000 And the woman said he was super condescending and crazy and fucking nuts because he's Bill Cosby and he thinks he's God. 1.00
00:38:34.000 And after the interview was over, he was like, I'm going to send you fruit. 0.99
00:38:39.000 To let you know what I thought of the interview.
00:38:40.000 He told this woman. 1.00
00:38:41.000 And she was like, alright, you fucking weirdo. 1.00
00:38:43.000 Like, just forgot about it. 0.99
00:38:44.000 So, a couple weeks later, AP gets a box for this woman.
00:38:49.000 Like, he sent this to a news organization.
00:38:52.000 And it was directed to her and she opened the box and it was just a dead, dried up apple.
00:38:57.000 And it said, like, this is what I thought of the interview.
00:38:59.000 Bill Cosby.
00:39:00.000 Whoa.
00:39:01.000 What did she ask him about that was so upsetting?
00:39:04.000 I don't know.
00:39:05.000 Nothing?
00:39:05.000 No.
00:39:06.000 She probably just didn't treat him with reverence.
00:39:08.000 Exactly.
00:39:08.000 Like, the king.
00:39:10.000 But also think about how long it takes to get an apple that's rotted.
00:39:14.000 He must have sent an intern out and he was like, go dig in the dumpster and find me a rotted apple. 1.00
00:39:17.000 That shit takes months to rot. 0.99
00:39:19.000 You can put an apple in your fridge for six months and it won't rot. 1.00
00:39:22.000 That's a really good point.
00:39:23.000 You've got to find a rotten apple. 1.00
00:39:25.000 That's like mafia shit. 1.00
00:39:26.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:39:27.000 And send it to a news writer. 0.98
00:39:30.000 I think that those guys that were around a long time ago like that those guys were like today Almost anything you do gets scrutinized and gets criticized by not just the press But like say if you were a Bill Cosby type character like say like like Kevin Hart who's a huge famous comedian If he did a bunch of really creepy shit or said a bunch of really creepy shit, 0.96
00:39:54.000 people could talk about it on social media. 0.72
00:39:55.000 And it would start chitter chatter.
00:39:58.000 But back then, you could kind of get away with doing anything, and then the publicist would just hush it up.
00:40:03.000 So, you know, I'm certainly not exonerating him.
00:40:08.000 I'm not making excuses for him.
00:40:09.000 But I wonder what the climate was like When he was famous in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s. 0.99
00:40:17.000 Like, he was a giant, huge fucking superstar. 0.93
00:40:20.000 And I wonder, like, how much enabling was going on. 0.99
00:40:24.000 Oh, totally.
00:40:24.000 How many people just would cover up for anything that happened.
00:40:28.000 Ray Donovan-like, you know, just going and sweep up all your problems.
00:40:32.000 And if you're a creepy old guy that's just not connected at all to regular people, he hasn't been a regular person.
00:40:39.000 I think Richard Pryor and him were the two most famous black comedians and the first famous black comedians in the world.
00:40:45.000 And he was a god at that time.
00:40:48.000 And definitely, I think there's a conspiracy of silence in Hollywood when you look at things like Jimmy Savile from the BBC. He was just straight up raping little... 0.93
00:40:56.000 Little children, yeah. 0.98
00:40:57.000 And he was like visiting hospitals. 0.98
00:40:59.000 He was like fucking ordained by the royal family to be like, you know, a lord or whatever. 0.99
00:41:04.000 And he's just treated like royalty. 0.99
00:41:06.000 And then you have Gian Gomeshi in the CBC in Canada, the radio host of Q. Yeah, that's a weird one. 0.99
00:41:13.000 Who would just like punch women. 1.00
00:41:13.000 Randomly. 1.00
00:41:14.000 Yeah, what is that guy's deal?
00:41:15.000 He would say that it was like bondage or playing.
00:41:19.000 BDSM, yeah.
00:41:20.000 I'm super fascinated with this because it just goes back to how these things are able to happen for so long and why they're covered up.
00:41:27.000 And Gian Gomeschi is a really interesting case because he's this attractive, kind of hipster-looking guy who's had rape culture debates and is a feminist and puts himself off as this guy who really cares about women's issues.
00:41:42.000 Super sensitive.
00:41:43.000 Super sensitive, dude.
00:41:46.000 So then it came out that he just would coerce these women who he met at book events and makes them feel special, of course. 0.86
00:41:52.000 And then he would go on a date with them and randomly just punch them in the face. 1.00
00:41:56.000 Just fucking sock them in the face. 1.00
00:41:59.000 Or he would just be hooking up with someone and then just rape them with his hand. 1.00
00:42:04.000 And they'd just be like, what the fuck? 1.00
00:42:06.000 Start strangling them and just rape them. 1.00
00:42:09.000 I like how you're doing. 1.00
00:42:12.000 You've got this hand miming thing going on.
00:42:15.000 And then he has this bear that he would turn around and be like, my bear can't see this.
00:42:19.000 What?
00:42:20.000 Yeah.
00:42:20.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:42:21.000 And many women had the same story. 0.97
00:42:22.000 He would have this stuffed animal bear and be like, my little bear can't see me. 1.00
00:42:26.000 What the fuck? 0.99
00:42:28.000 What if the bear had a camera on her or something? 1.00
00:42:31.000 Yeah, dude, it's all sick.
00:42:32.000 And that's the thing is, how did no one know this?
00:42:35.000 And the thing is, they did.
00:42:36.000 You're telling me that people at BBC didn't know that Jimmy Savile was like, why were they bringing all these little kids and like, you know what I mean?
00:42:43.000 It's like, don't tell me that you didn't know what was going on.
00:42:45.000 Well, like the Sandusky case. 0.97
00:42:46.000 The Sandusky case where, I mean, everyone kind of knew that guy was a child rapist. 0.96
00:42:52.000 Everyone knew it. 0.71
00:42:53.000 It was just this weird thing.
00:42:54.000 Exactly.
00:43:12.000 Yeah, no, he reported it, and I don't know exactly what happened, but that's where the whole Paterno, Joe Paterno thing, ended so awfully, where Joe Paterno was like a god in that state.
00:43:25.000 I mean, he was the man at Penn State, and when it all went down, Joe Paterno got sick, like, really quickly afterwards and then died of cancer.
00:43:34.000 He was dead within a year and a half, two years.
00:43:35.000 Right, that was really crazy, yeah.
00:43:37.000 He was dead quick after that. 0.98
00:43:39.000 I mean, it must have been devastating to him as a person to realize how horribly he had fucked up and let this monster be amongst him for so long and not do anything about it. 1.00
00:43:53.000 I'm just happy that Bill Cosby's alive to see these women coming out because I really do believe that he raped them. 0.99
00:43:58.000 And I think it's great that, you know, unlike Jimmy Savile, who's just dead and like no one, you know, he was just glorified until he died. 1.00
00:44:06.000 And then it comes out after that he's a fucking pedophile. 0.98
00:44:08.000 Well, the Savile thing is very strange, too, because there's this thing going on right now in the UK where they're investigating all of these royals and all these politicians, all these people that are involved in child pornography and child rape, 0.99
00:44:24.000 and you're aware of all this stuff?
00:44:26.000 Like, what exactly is going on with that?
00:44:28.000 I don't know enough to really lay it down, but there is a lot of weird sex ring child pornography stuff going on with British royalty and also politicians.
00:44:41.000 It's really strange, and I haven't really dug into it.
00:44:43.000 And Clintons? 0.93
00:44:45.000 That was a different one.
00:44:47.000 Clinton was tied to this other guy and he had spent time at this guy's compound. 0.99
00:44:53.000 This guy was getting child prostitutes and underage prostitutes. 1.00
00:44:59.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00
00:45:01.000 It's insane. 1.00
00:45:02.000 It just shows you all this culture of suppression.
00:45:08.000 Like, did John Ashcroft's The World?
00:45:10.000 Let the eagle soar!
00:45:13.000 All that is like, you're creating a diamond.
00:45:16.000 You're creating something.
00:45:18.000 This weird culture of suppression that these people...
00:45:34.000 Not a murderer.
00:45:39.000 Not themselves.
00:45:40.000 Bill Cosby.
00:45:41.000 Bill Cosby, who was always Mr. Clean.
00:45:43.000 There's that famous bit that Eddie Murphy did about Bill Cosby calling him up and telling him to stop swearing.
00:45:48.000 And Richard Pryor saying, do the people laugh?
00:45:50.000 Do you get paid? 1.00
00:45:51.000 Tell Bill to have a coconut smile and shut the fuck up. 1.00
00:45:54.000 And that is a real incident. 1.00
00:45:57.000 Bill Cosby used to call comedians.
00:45:59.000 He did it to Chris Rock.
00:46:00.000 He would tell them to stop. 1.00
00:46:01.000 Pull your pants up, black people. 1.00
00:46:03.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:46:04.000 What a fucking... 1.00
00:46:04.000 How about stop raping people? 1.00
00:46:06.000 Yeah, just stop raping people. 1.00
00:46:07.000 And drugging them, too. 0.99
00:46:08.000 Don't even drug them. 0.99
00:46:09.000 Don't rape them or drug them. 0.99
00:46:10.000 Right, right. 1.00
00:46:11.000 Either or, I'd still drug them and I'll just jerk off on them. 1.00
00:46:14.000 No, that's still kind of rape. 1.00
00:46:15.000 You fucking asshole. 1.00
00:46:17.000 You're psychotic, dude. 1.00
00:46:18.000 It's also, it's what kind of a person gets... 0.99
00:46:22.000 What kind of a person sees a naked person, like, completely...
00:46:25.000 Right.
00:46:26.000 And just can do that.
00:46:29.000 A necrophiliac?
00:46:31.000 I don't know, man. 1.00
00:46:31.000 Yeah, what the fuck, man? 1.00
00:46:34.000 Yeah, that's what's so crazy about it. 1.00
00:46:36.000 I would love it if somebody took Bill Cosby and gave him, like, Ibogaine or some, you know, some sort of psychedelic and made him talk about it.
00:46:44.000 I've always said that if someone actually wants to do, like, functional terrorism, they should just dose the punch bowl at the White House, like, correspondence dinner with acid. 0.99
00:46:54.000 I mean, that would be like a really good strategy if you wanted to fuck with the establishment. 0.98
00:47:00.000 Not that we're endorsing that. 0.98
00:47:02.000 Not that I would ever.
00:47:03.000 Or suggesting that even.
00:47:04.000 It's just a theoretical.
00:47:06.000 It's theoretical.
00:47:06.000 We lived in a different dimension.
00:47:08.000 The same human beings existed in that dimension.
00:47:11.000 It'd be interesting to see what would take place.
00:47:13.000 But then again, here's DC, which overwhelmingly passed marijuana legalization. 0.92
00:47:17.000 So why is everyone such douchebags still if everyone smokes weed? 0.94
00:47:21.000 That's the people, though. 0.98
00:47:22.000 That's not the politicians. 1.00
00:47:23.000 How about this fucking Chris Christie fuck, this fat slob? 1.00
00:47:26.000 What happened? 1.00
00:47:27.000 He said that if he becomes president, he will actively go after all the states that have legalized marijuana, and he would put a stop to it.
00:47:35.000 And he cites something about- he cites some nonsense about addiction.
00:47:40.000 Addiction. 1.00
00:47:41.000 What difference does addiction mean if no one's dying, you dumbass? 1.00
00:47:44.000 Like, you know what people die from? 1.00
00:47:46.000 Being fat as fuck. 1.00
00:47:48.000 Right. 1.00
00:47:48.000 Okay? 1.00
00:47:48.000 You're fat as fuck. 1.00
00:47:49.000 Right. 1.00
00:47:50.000 300,000 people die in this country as a direct result of obesity every year.
00:47:56.000 It's like right below cigarettes.
00:47:58.000 And this guy is talking about, I mean, you want to talk about the kettle calling the pot black.
00:48:04.000 Like, dude, look at yourself.
00:48:06.000 You are a walking poster boy for American excess.
00:48:10.000 People that are starving in other countries can look upon you and you are a symbol of American greed.
00:48:17.000 Crack down and not permit legal marijuana as president. 1.00
00:48:19.000 Well, guess what, fucker? 1.00
00:48:20.000 That's why you'll never be president. 1.00
00:48:22.000 When you've got a giant percentage of America that believes in personal freedom, especially when it comes to something as innocuous as marijuana, when you can die from fucking Tylenol, like you just said. 1.00
00:48:34.000 You can be a goddamn toxicologist and die from Tylenol. 0.99
00:48:38.000 No one's ever died from pot. 1.00
00:48:40.000 A lot of people thought they were dying.
00:48:42.000 You know what's amazing is these people are just going against the current.
00:48:44.000 The gay marriage thing and marijuana. 0.70
00:48:46.000 It's like, dude, you guys are fighting a losing battle.
00:48:48.000 Like, what are you doing?
00:48:49.000 This is not where the fight needs to be.
00:48:52.000 Dude, look up Jared Polis and the DEA... I forget her name, but it is one of the best clips I've ever seen because it shows you...
00:48:59.000 You've seen that, right?
00:49:00.000 Where she's just like... 0.72
00:49:01.000 He's like his crack more damaging than marijuana and she's like, I don't know.
00:49:05.000 Yeah, this is amazing.
00:49:08.000 Yeah, play this.
00:49:09.000 Is it better for a person than marijuana?
00:49:13.000 I believe all illegal drugs are bad.
00:49:18.000 Is methamphetamine worse for somebody's health than marijuana?
00:49:23.000 I don't think any illegal drug is good.
00:49:25.000 Is heroin worse for someone's health than marijuana?
00:49:32.000 I mean, yes, no, I don't know.
00:49:35.000 If you don't know, you can look this up.
00:49:37.000 You should know this is the chief administrator for the Drug Enforcement Agency.
00:49:40.000 I'm asking you a very straightforward question.
00:49:42.000 Is heroin worse for someone's health than marijuana?
00:49:52.000 I like how I said that.
00:49:58.000 Michelle Leonhardt, Drug Enforcement Administration Administrator.
00:50:05.000 I think you're asking a subjective question.
00:50:07.000 Can you believe it's still?
00:50:08.000 No, it's subjective.
00:50:08.000 Just looking at the science, this is your...
00:50:10.000 What is it?
00:50:10.000 Schedule 1?
00:50:11.000 Yep.
00:50:12.000 Still Schedule 1. Unbelievable.
00:50:15.000 I'm just asking you as an expert in the subject area, is heroin for someone's health and marijuana?
00:50:19.000 An expert in the subject area.
00:50:21.000 I'm answering as a police officer and as a DEA agent that these drugs are illegal because they are dangerous, because they are addictive.
00:50:30.000 It seems like she's stoned on like pills right now.
00:50:33.000 She's probably on a little Xanax, just to deal with the anxiety.
00:50:37.000 To deal with the grilling.
00:50:39.000 Generally, the properties of heroin, yes, more addictive.
00:50:42.000 Is methamphetamine more addictive than marijuana?
00:50:46.000 Well, both are addictive.
00:50:50.000 That's not true.
00:50:51.000 No.
00:50:53.000 See, the thing is, she can't, because then she can't justify the classification.
00:50:58.000 Yeah, of course.
00:51:00.000 Yeah, she's stuck.
00:51:02.000 Well, marijuana is no more addictive than playing video games.
00:51:05.000 I mean, it's an addiction in terms of you decide that you need it in your life, just like a person can be addictive.
00:51:12.000 Right.
00:51:13.000 But there's no physical properties that are addicted, unless you have some really weird biology.
00:51:17.000 Some very rare person, like the type of person that would be allergic to sunflowers.
00:51:22.000 There's weird things out there, biologically.
00:51:24.000 But the average person, that just shows you this is a criminal organization that's in charge of pretending to be looking out for the people, but really just in charge of keeping things as usual, just keeping policy as usual,
00:51:40.000 moving forward the same way.
00:51:41.000 And that's what that woman's doing. 1.00
00:51:42.000 Yeah, even the DOJ, it's not even just Chris Christie.
00:51:45.000 The DOJ has basically gone rogue and said that they're still going to prosecute individual marijuana users.
00:51:50.000 And you're like, dude, But what are you talking about in states that have legalized it?
00:51:54.000 They're actually saying that they're going to overstep state law.
00:51:57.000 I don't understand why people are focusing on something that makes life better.
00:52:02.000 Well, because they get pressure.
00:52:03.000 They get pressure from three big factions.
00:52:07.000 One, prison guard unions, privatized prisons, and pharmaceutical companies.
00:52:12.000 Those are three big pressure organizations.
00:52:15.000 The prison guards and private prisons, there's a lot of money involved in keeping people in jail.
00:52:22.000 They have a vested interest in continuing to arrest the same amount of people or more people every year.
00:52:27.000 Because whenever you make a business, businesses don't like to stay static.
00:52:31.000 They like growth.
00:52:32.000 They like more business.
00:52:34.000 And when you have a business that's for profit, like a prison business, their business, like, what they're involved in is locking people in jail.
00:52:42.000 They would like to lock more people in jail. 0.98
00:52:44.000 That's how they make more money, you know? 1.00
00:52:48.000 Fucking... 1.00
00:52:49.000 Chocolate bars. 1.00
00:52:50.000 Hershey's selling chocolate bars.
00:52:52.000 They don't want to sell the same amount of chocolate bars next year.
00:52:54.000 They want to sell more.
00:52:55.000 Look, we've got a new ad campaign to get people involved with chocolate.
00:52:59.000 We've got some new chocolates.
00:53:00.000 We've got a little chocolate guy that waves to you, and he's going to get you to buy more chocolate.
00:53:05.000 That's what businesses do.
00:53:07.000 That's the natural function of a capitalistic business.
00:53:11.000 You want to make more money every year.
00:53:13.000 Well, guess what?
00:53:14.000 That's the same thing when it comes to the industry of locking people up for drugs.
00:53:19.000 They want to keep locking people up.
00:53:20.000 If they made X amount of money this year, they want to make Y next year.
00:53:24.000 And that's just what they do.
00:53:25.000 It's a part of being a part of a business.
00:53:27.000 No matter what your Apple computer, or whether you sell legal paper, or whatever you sell.
00:53:34.000 You want to sell more.
00:53:35.000 You want to make more money.
00:53:36.000 That's the problem.
00:53:37.000 I know that you're going to disagree with this, but that's the problem with capitalism, is this planned obsolescence in order to make more money.
00:53:42.000 Like, for example, the fact that... 0.99
00:53:44.000 I'm gonna disagree because I because you're all about you I've heard that you talk about how you know capitalism encourages competition which it does but at the same time if it encouraged sustainability and competitive advantages in terms of like how to be sustainable which it does not that's the problem I just wish that people gave a shit about making things like harmonious with how the earth functions instead of just like sucking up all this shit and just I can I completely agree with you. 0.71
00:54:12.000 But saying it does not is looking at it in a very blanket way. 0.80
00:54:17.000 Capitalism is just the way we do business.
00:54:20.000 But you can certainly have ethical capitalism.
00:54:23.000 Capitalism doesn't have to be pushed to the nth degree to where All-out profit is the only motivation at the expense of the environment, at the expense of the people, at the expense of laws.
00:54:33.000 It doesn't have to be that way.
00:54:34.000 I don't believe that.
00:54:35.000 I think that we have decided it has to be that way because of this competitive nature that people have, where they put the number, the score, above and beyond everything else.
00:54:44.000 But it doesn't have to be that way.
00:54:46.000 Sure.
00:54:46.000 And Marxism doesn't have to turn into the communist structures that we've seen, you know, fail.
00:54:52.000 I mean, that's all philosophical.
00:54:54.000 It's like people who say that voluntarism is the ideal society.
00:54:58.000 Sounds great.
00:54:59.000 And conscious capitalism sounds great, too.
00:55:01.000 But I don't see how we can just turn it into a conscious functioning system that works with the, like, planet.
00:55:07.000 People will demand it.
00:55:08.000 People have to demand it, and they have to vote with their dollars.
00:55:11.000 They have to demand only ethical companies.
00:55:14.000 They have to demand that they only support companies with their money that are involved in an ethical, sustainable business.
00:55:22.000 And if you don't do that, then we're not interested in spending money on you.
00:55:26.000 And how many people have to die?
00:55:28.000 Like, look at seatbelts and cars.
00:55:31.000 Ralph Nader never tried to, you know, never forced the government to actually make that a mandate.
00:55:36.000 How many tens of thousands more people would have died until the market, quote unquote, corrected itself, where people forced pressure and just didn't buy from the cars that weren't putting seat belts in?
00:55:43.000 Well, that's interesting.
00:55:44.000 That's an interesting way to put it, because motorcycles are still legal.
00:55:48.000 You know, there's a lot of stuff that's legal that's way more dangerous.
00:55:51.000 If you really think about all the activities that people are involved in, where they voluntarily put themselves in harm's way, Seatbelts, I certainly use them. 1.00
00:56:02.000 I think they're important.
00:56:04.000 I think all safety measures, whether it's airbags or, you know, they should certainly be encouraged.
00:56:08.000 But I think that people would have naturally leaned towards them if they found out that they were safer.
00:56:15.000 I think the competition...
00:56:17.000 Involved in creating cars that are more safe and that are provably more More safe for the passengers that that would have helped in the long run them sell more cars And it would have like encouraged other companies to do the same thing then tons more people would have died You mean if Ralph Nader didn't step up as a consumer advocate?
00:56:38.000 No, I'm not arguing against consumer advocacy.
00:56:41.000 I think what Ralph Nader's done, not just with seatbelts, but with a lot of things, is super important.
00:56:46.000 You have to have someone that's looking out.
00:56:48.000 But that's also a different era back then, a much less transparent era where the age of information hadn't really been established like it is today.
00:56:55.000 But the problem with today is you have such a saturation of information and you have these multi-billion dollar companies that aren't.
00:57:12.000 We're good to go.
00:57:30.000 Anymore.
00:57:31.000 So even though I hate Comcast, it's like that's that's your only option because they've swallowed up all the other options in the area.
00:57:39.000 And I think that that's another huge problem. 0.52
00:57:41.000 So even though you might want to be a conscious consumer and buy from like ethical companies, it's really fucking hard because everyone you can't be a big corporation and not have bloody hands somewhere.
00:57:52.000 No, I think there's certainly a point to that.
00:57:55.000 I think the internet is starting to dissolve a lot of these monopolies.
00:58:00.000 And I think things like Comcast controlling vast majorities of the cable business, and I think that's slowly going to get eaten up by various internet companies.
00:58:11.000 And you start seeing things like, what is it, HBO Go?
00:58:13.000 Is that what it's called?
00:58:14.000 HBO Now?
00:58:14.000 HBO Go.
00:58:15.000 Now?
00:58:16.000 All those things where you're seeing these traditional cable channels that are now available on the internet.
00:58:23.000 What Netflix is doing.
00:58:25.000 Netflix now has all sorts of new programs that they're creating themselves.
00:58:30.000 House of Cards, a bunch of different ones.
00:58:32.000 The Jail one, Orange is the New Black.
00:58:35.000 There's like critically acclaimed shows.
00:58:36.000 They're creating in-house.
00:58:38.000 And I think that having just a connection to the Internet is going to be the new cable.
00:58:43.000 And then it's going to be about monopolizing Internet connections.
00:58:46.000 And how long are people going to tolerate that?
00:58:49.000 I mean, that's the real portal right now, I think, is the Internet.
00:58:53.000 And I think that's the real portal for information as well. 0.94
00:58:58.000 I think that all these cable companies that Are producing new shows whether it's CNN or CNBC and like that antiquated format of delivering the news like that shit is not gonna fly You're entering into a new age. 0.78
00:59:12.000 This is this age if people aren't gonna tolerate this old-schooly Bullshit that you're doing this weird wearing a tie talking like a robot like that stuff is out the window I think The age of information that we're involved in right now, 0.98
00:59:27.000 all of us, whether we realize it or not, this is like one of the craziest times in human history. 0.89
00:59:32.000 And people are aware of more things than they've ever been before.
00:59:36.000 And I think that the people that are involved, even in these corporations that are involved in these unethical activities and monopolization of resources and just control over foreign governments and all the different shit, all that stuff, it's got a time to it.
00:59:51.000 It doesn't have much time left. 0.95
00:59:53.000 Well, every empire is going to fall, and especially when you have one as arrogant as ours, it's just a matter of time before that happens. 0.99
01:00:01.000 So they've got to get their shit together if we want to survive. 0.99
01:00:05.000 And you look at what's going on right now. 0.99
01:00:07.000 I mean, look at the political dynasties that might be running for president.
01:00:12.000 Jed Bush and Hillary Clinton. 0.99
01:00:14.000 Are you fucking kidding me? 0.99
01:00:15.000 Well, they are running, right? 0.99
01:00:16.000 They're both running.
01:00:17.000 And now Rand Paul, the guy who tried to get my press credentials stripped.
01:00:20.000 Why do you try to get your press credentials stripped?
01:00:21.000 When I first moved to D.C., I confronted Rand Paul with my friend Luke, and we were going to a public press event.
01:00:28.000 We had passes. 0.95
01:00:29.000 I was in the halls of Congress, and he just started walking toward me in the hallway, and I was like, oh, well, shit, let's ask Rand Paul the question right now, since he's right here. 1.00
01:00:37.000 So I asked him why he endorsed Mitt Romney, because Mitt Romney is a psychotic warmonger. 0.99
01:00:42.000 Is that what you said? 0.98
01:00:42.000 That's the way you said it? 0.98
01:00:43.000 No, I just said, why do you endorse Mitt Romney?
01:00:45.000 A lot of people who are followers of yours have questions because, you know, he's the opposite of what you claim to be in terms of foreign policy.
01:00:52.000 And Rand Paul just put his head down and kept walking, and that was it.
01:00:55.000 A week later, the video goes viral, and I walk into RT. This is when I first moved to DC. Walked into RT, and they were like, why is the Capitol Police threatening to come and arrest you and strip you of your press credentials?
01:01:05.000 And I was like, I don't know.
01:01:06.000 And they're like, what did you do to Rand Paul?
01:01:08.000 They're talking about charging you with harassment and stalking.
01:01:12.000 And I said, have them come and arrest me.
01:01:14.000 This is great.
01:01:14.000 Film it.
01:01:15.000 I was like, we're at a fucking TV station. 0.99
01:01:17.000 If Rand Paul wants to arrest me for asking him a question, that's fantastic. 0.99
01:01:21.000 Let's film it.
01:01:21.000 Let's do it.
01:01:22.000 So it turned out to be all empty threats.
01:01:24.000 But the guy who runs the Capitol like media center told me that he wanted me to come in for a meeting.
01:01:30.000 And nothing was in writing because he knew that it was all empty.
01:01:33.000 So I was really nervous.
01:01:34.000 I was like, should I get a lawyer?
01:01:36.000 I was like, let's come up with a story.
01:01:37.000 This is a huge story.
01:01:40.000 So they were like, no, just see what he wants to say.
01:01:43.000 Don't get a lawyer yet.
01:01:44.000 Go and meet this guy.
01:01:44.000 So I went and met this guy in an interrogation room in the Capitol building with all of the bureau chiefs of all of the major media organizations in this room.
01:01:53.000 And I sit down with them and I was like, what in the hell is going on?
01:01:56.000 Why am I here?
01:01:57.000 What is happening?
01:01:59.000 And the guy was like, look, how did you get in here?
01:02:02.000 Like, how did you sneak Luke in?
01:02:04.000 And I was like, we didn't sneak in.
01:02:05.000 It was a public event.
01:02:06.000 We have press credentials.
01:02:07.000 And he was like, look, we have worked for decades to get the access that we do to these politicians. 0.97
01:02:12.000 And he was like, we cannot have people like you coming in here and fucking up that access. 0.97
01:02:16.000 In so many words. 1.00
01:02:17.000 It was very, like, House of Cards-style shit. 0.99
01:02:20.000 Where they were basically saying, we have worked to get this special access, like this. 0.99
01:02:26.000 And it's all, like, pre-determined.
01:02:29.000 You probably have everything vetted you go and they all know you, you know, and they don't want people coming up and fucking that up.
01:02:35.000 So they don't want anybody asking real questions.
01:02:38.000 They don't want anybody asking uncomfortable questions that would get these politicians to pull back.
01:02:45.000 And restrict access.
01:02:47.000 So they're saying you're not playing the game.
01:02:48.000 That's what they said.
01:02:49.000 You don't know the game.
01:02:50.000 We've set this game up for 20 years.
01:02:53.000 Abby Martin. 1.00
01:02:54.000 You fucker. 1.00
01:02:55.000 Coming in here ruining our thing by asking them real questions. 1.00
01:02:59.000 It was crazy.
01:02:59.000 We had questions.
01:03:01.000 That we've all been approved.
01:03:03.000 They have softball questions.
01:03:05.000 Wow.
01:03:06.000 Yeah, it was a bizarre, like, kind of weird awakening.
01:03:09.000 How'd you end that?
01:03:10.000 How long did the conversation last?
01:03:11.000 He told me.
01:03:11.000 It was like a 30-minute conversation, and after I left the office, I, like, taped it all on my phone because I couldn't believe that it actually happened, and I wanted...
01:03:18.000 No, it's on my old phone.
01:03:20.000 I think it's on my computer.
01:03:22.000 And I was just like, this just happened because it just seemed so fake, and it ended with a guy.
01:03:27.000 I think his name is Mike, and he was like, I'll let you know, like, what the final charges are going to be.
01:03:32.000 Charges?
01:03:32.000 And I was like, what charges?
01:03:33.000 What charges do you get for asking a question?
01:03:35.000 Exactly.
01:03:35.000 Exactly.
01:03:36.000 You didn't touch them?
01:03:37.000 No. 0.98
01:03:37.000 So how the fuck could they charge you with anything? 0.98
01:03:39.000 It was totally insane. 0.98
01:03:41.000 And when I came up with the story- Who is this Mike guy?
01:03:44.000 Mike who?
01:03:45.000 Exactly.
01:03:45.000 What is his name?
01:03:46.000 I don't know his last name. 1.00
01:03:48.000 You fuckhead. 1.00
01:03:49.000 Charges. 1.00
01:03:49.000 But what's crazy is all the people who will defend Rand Paul to me still, because they like Ron Paul. 1.00
01:03:54.000 And look, I voted for Ron Paul in 2008. I like him.
01:03:57.000 I agreed with a lot of his stance on foreign policy and civil liberties.
01:04:01.000 And I just, Rand Paul is not his father.
01:04:06.000 Right.
01:04:06.000 Is it possible that he didn't, I mean, just given this particular circumstance, is it possible that he didn't have anything to do with that?
01:04:13.000 It came directly from him.
01:04:14.000 I got that confirmed, that he made the complaint and had them come after me.
01:04:18.000 Oh, so he said, I want you to strip their credentials or something along those lines? 0.99
01:04:23.000 What a dick. 1.00
01:04:24.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:04:25.000 Rand. 1.00
01:04:25.000 You dick. 1.00
01:04:26.000 Rand. 1.00
01:04:26.000 It's like, dude, out of all people, Rand? 1.00
01:04:28.000 Yeah.
01:04:29.000 Really?
01:04:30.000 Come on, son. 1.00
01:04:31.000 It's very strange, but the Hillary Clinton thing is just so fucked up because you have a Bush and a Clinton. 0.99
01:04:36.000 I got why people supported Obama. 0.99
01:04:38.000 I don't understand how anyone can support Hillary.
01:04:41.000 I really don't.
01:04:42.000 They're happy to have a chicken there. 0.99
01:04:44.000 And so next time, are we just gonna have a gay person? 0.99
01:04:47.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
01:04:47.000 Because this is bullshit. 1.00
01:04:48.000 You got any evil gay people that we can slide in? 1.00
01:04:51.000 Evil gay people are super into war. 1.00
01:04:52.000 Is there any out there? 1.00
01:04:53.000 There must be.
01:04:54.000 I mean, is this just...
01:04:54.000 We can find them.
01:04:55.000 Has this just turned into just pure symbolism? 0.81
01:04:59.000 So we're just gonna have the first black guy and then the woman and then a gay person and then that's it. 0.98
01:05:03.000 Well, then we'll have to go back to straight evil. 0.99
01:05:05.000 Right.
01:05:05.000 I don't know.
01:05:06.000 I mean, it doesn't make any sense at all to have this system that we have in place.
01:05:10.000 Right.
01:05:10.000 It doesn't make sense.
01:05:11.000 Anyone who's a strict Democrat, like I had a conversation once with a friend and he was talking about Democrats versus Republicans in an election and he kept using the term we, you know, we got to win this and we got to win that.
01:05:24.000 And I'm like, we?
01:05:25.000 You're talking like you're talking about the Red Sox, man.
01:05:28.000 Right.
01:05:28.000 You're talking about getting ready for the World Series.
01:05:30.000 You're talking like a team person.
01:05:33.000 These are politicians, man.
01:05:34.000 You know who they work for? 1.00
01:05:35.000 Fucking corporations. 1.00
01:05:36.000 They don't work for you. 1.00
01:05:37.000 This is a dog and pony show, and you're completely committed to it.
01:05:42.000 We've got to get rid of it.
01:05:43.000 We've got to get rid of that.
01:05:44.000 It's got to be who has the best ideas. 0.99
01:05:47.000 The party system has failed us for so long that we are just invested in having the best version of this failed, fucked-up party govern us. 0.71
01:05:57.000 I mean, it's a terrible version of what could be the governing principles of the greatest nation the world has ever known. 0.97
01:06:05.000 And I don't think any other country has this kind of absurd show, multi-billion dollar show, where it's like a Hollywood extravaganza, you know, and it gets worse every year.
01:06:13.000 And last year they spent over a billion dollars each.
01:06:15.000 Did they really?
01:06:16.000 I can't think of any other country that has the same kind of charade.
01:06:18.000 You mean last term?
01:06:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:19.000 Sorry.
01:06:21.000 I just can't.
01:06:22.000 And it is a complete facade.
01:06:24.000 And the fact that you need millions of dollars to even get on the ballot, almost, and maybe not millions, but I mean, you need a substantial amount of money to get even on the ballot in every state.
01:06:32.000 And then to get into debates, it's completely impossible because it's all run by like the oil and gas, like all these corporations fund the presidential debate system somehow.
01:06:40.000 Commission for Presidential Debates, a privately funded institution.
01:06:43.000 There you go, yeah.
01:06:44.000 And so you can't get on it.
01:06:46.000 Well, they used to be able to get on it with a small percentage of the popular vote in certain elections, but you can't do that anymore because of our good friend Ross Perot.
01:06:56.000 Ross Perot fucked things up back in the old days. 0.99
01:06:59.000 Because this guy, if you guys aren't aware of Ross Perot or you weren't alive back when this was going on, it was a very unique moment in human history because this guy, who was worth billions of dollars, just said, fuck it. 0.99
01:07:11.000 This is pre-internet. 1.00
01:07:13.000 This guy said, fuck it. 1.00
01:07:14.000 I'm going to buy a half an hour of time on ABC during primetime or NBC. I don't I don't remember what network it was. 1.00
01:07:21.000 And I am going to show everyone what's fucked up about the tax system and show everyone what's fucked up about the Federal Reserve. 0.88
01:07:28.000 And I'm going to talk about what kind of changes I would make if I was president. 0.96
01:07:32.000 And everybody was like, look at this guy.
01:07:34.000 And he was able to debate with these guys because during the primaries, he had gotten whatever number of the popular vote you needed to get in order to be involved.
01:07:46.000 So they changed it.
01:07:47.000 They jacked it up.
01:07:50.000 But it's virtually impossible for any third-party candidate, which is why, you know, everybody looked at Ron Paul and saying, well, Ron Paul is this wild independent.
01:08:00.000 Actually, he's a Republican.
01:08:02.000 I mean, you can call him a wild independent in terms of a lot of his ideas are very controversial and unique, but he's not an independent. 0.99
01:08:09.000 He's a Republican, because if he wasn't independent, he would have never been in those fucking debates. 0.60
01:08:14.000 There's no, no independents are ever going to get to that point where they are like there's three candidates being considered for the the number one position in the country and one of them is completely untethered to the system. 0.98
01:08:26.000 It's not gonna happen.
01:08:27.000 And it's all like this political and intellectual bribery on so many levels because first it goes to the Supreme Court. 0.96
01:08:33.000 I mean we're basically have a monarchy running this country that our Supreme Court justices have more power than like the fucking Queen of England. 1.00
01:08:41.000 So they're the final arbitrator on so many different things that are really life and death shit here. 0.98
01:08:46.000 And it's basically turned into like, well, do you want like a crazy neocon to pick the next Supreme Court justice? 0.96
01:08:53.000 And it's like, that's what we've come down to.
01:08:54.000 Like, that's what it's all generated down to is just who's going to pick a Supreme Court justice if someone dies. 0.99
01:08:59.000 I mean, no, fuck that. 1.00
01:09:00.000 I'm not going to capitulate my moral compass to vote for a war criminal. 1.00
01:09:03.000 Hillary Clinton is a war criminal. 1.00
01:09:04.000 I'm sorry. 0.94
01:09:05.000 What makes her a war criminal?
01:09:07.000 Because she has voted, first of all, let's just look at the Iraq war vote.
01:09:12.000 Killed 2 million people in Iraq. 0.98
01:09:14.000 New figures just came out that said that 2 million people have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2003. Not even to mention the million babies who died from sanctions in the 90s.
01:09:25.000 Aside from that, Hillary Clinton, the Gaddafi, Libya, Syria, she wants to bomb Iran. 1.00
01:09:32.000 I mean, she is the worst. 0.68
01:09:34.000 She said she wants to bomb Iran? 0.94
01:09:36.000 You look, someone did a report, I think it was in the New York Times, kind of an embedded report in the National Security Cabinet.
01:09:43.000 And they said that she is on par, if not worse than John McCain, of all of her war hawkish ideals in terms of foreign policy. 1.00
01:09:49.000 It is scary shit, man. 0.99
01:09:51.000 So as much as people want to pretend like she's like this liberal do-gooder... 1.00
01:09:55.000 I'm most concerned about ending imperialism, militarism, and U.S. hegemony, so I'm not going to be voting for Hillary Clinton because she's a fucking woman. 1.00
01:10:04.000 I don't give a shit if someone's a woman, if they're black, if they're gay. 1.00
01:10:08.000 If they are perpetuating war crimes and killing innocent people, I know, going back to what you said, it's hard to be a president and not have someone's death on your hands, but fucking A. You don't have to just sign up to kill millions of people on a fake war against a non-existent threat. 1.00
01:10:23.000 I wonder what motivates someone like Hillary Clinton at this stage of her life. 1.00
01:10:28.000 Golf money.
01:10:29.000 You should look at who funds her campaign.
01:10:31.000 It is unbelievable.
01:10:33.000 The Clinton Foundation, dude, check this out.
01:10:35.000 The Clinton Foundation, not only all these giant corporations and banks, The real creepy part is when you see Saudi and Gulf states actually giving her tens of millions of dollars over the years. 1.00
01:10:49.000 That shit is scary. 0.99
01:10:50.000 Saudi Arabia basically has bribed so many politicians. 1.00
01:10:53.000 Harvard, Oxford, like all of these institutions to get Saudi money.
01:10:57.000 And then you start to understand the culture of silence around Saudi Arabia and why we have this double standard, this egregious double standard in the war on terror and this unholy partnership with this country.
01:11:08.000 Now we're bombing Yemen together. 0.99
01:11:10.000 Bombing Yemen together. 1.00
01:11:11.000 Saudi Arabia and the US. Bombing the shit out of Yemen, the poorest country in the entire Arab world. 1.00
01:11:17.000 What good is that going to do? 0.99
01:11:20.000 How is that going to exacerbate the problems there?
01:11:22.000 Bombing the poorest country in the Middle East. 1.00
01:11:24.000 What is the motivation?
01:11:26.000 So Saudi Arabia doesn't want the Houthi rebels because they threaten Saudi Arabia.
01:11:34.000 So Saudi Arabia like backed a coup and supported a puppet regime in Yemen a while back and Yemen is just kind of a thorn in Saudi Arabia's side.
01:11:45.000 What do we get out of bombing Yemen? 1.00
01:11:48.000 Bribery, political bribery and hegemony and domination, regional influence.
01:11:54.000 And plus Saudi Arabia wants us to.
01:11:56.000 But when you look at the coalition that's actually bombing Yemen, it's like brutal, oppressive monarchies and like genocidal dictators like Sudan's dictator. 0.63
01:12:06.000 And then you have like, I think, Egypt, Bahrain.
01:12:10.000 And Saudi Arabia and a couple other countries, it's like, wow, great job.
01:12:14.000 Great job.
01:12:15.000 Why is the US supporting bombing Yemen?
01:12:17.000 And on a side note, the US has been bombing Yemen with drones for years anyway.
01:12:22.000 And then you keep hearing on the news that Iran is backing the Houthi rebels in Yemen, and that's why we need to go in and destroy them.
01:12:29.000 But I talked to this guy who's like an expert, and he's Saudi, and he runs this institute.
01:12:34.000 Everyone check out the podcast on Media Roots. 0.96
01:12:36.000 It's really, really mind-blowing shit, because he just breaks down really what is happening on the ground. 0.97
01:12:41.000 And he says, look, Iran is not backing the Houthis any more than Saudi Arabia is backing ISIS. Like... 0.99
01:12:47.000 All of these things have influence, and yeah, the money's filtered down, but it's such a double standard.
01:12:53.000 If we're gonna say Iran's backing the Houthi rebels, then we need to say that ISIS is funded by Saudi Arabia, and so is Al-Qaeda.
01:12:59.000 Because, for a large part, it is.
01:13:01.000 It is.
01:13:03.000 That double standard in Saudi Arabia is bizarre.
01:13:06.000 It's bizarre and creepy.
01:13:08.000 It's unbelievably insane.
01:13:11.000 Saudi Arabia is orthodox. 0.99
01:13:14.000 Like, they are the worst interpretation of Islam that exists. 0.98
01:13:17.000 It's Wahhabism. 1.00
01:13:18.000 It's the most orthodox, oppressive, bastardized version of Islam. 1.00
01:13:25.000 And we look at them and say, like, this is the only good Arab state? 1.00
01:13:31.000 Like, that is fucked. 0.99
01:13:32.000 Because not only are you telling the rest of the world that that version of Islam is somehow good, but you're also making it seem like... 1.00
01:13:41.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just unbelievable.
01:13:43.000 You should see what kind of rights women has in the country. 1.00
01:13:46.000 They can't exercise.
01:13:47.000 They can't play sports.
01:13:49.000 Why?
01:13:49.000 Do they want fat chicks?
01:13:50.000 You wouldn't be able to tell because they're covered in...
01:13:53.000 They're not allowed to exercise?
01:13:55.000 Yeah, that's what this guy was telling me.
01:13:56.000 Is that because they're not allowed to fight back?
01:13:58.000 Well, first of all, they're property.
01:14:01.000 So women can't do anything without a mailmaster, like approval of a mail. 1.00
01:14:04.000 So they can't go to school, they can't go to work, they can't drive, they can't do a lot of things without having a mail permit.
01:14:11.000 How many people live over there?
01:14:13.000 I don't know.
01:14:14.000 They also do public beheadings in the middle of freeways.
01:14:18.000 They'll do public floggings of someone who simply criticizes the king online. 0.97
01:14:22.000 They'll behead women for, you know, adultery, sorcery. 1.00
01:14:26.000 This is the shit that we're talking about. 1.00
01:14:27.000 Sorcery? 1.00
01:14:29.000 Sorcery. 0.54
01:14:30.000 Some chicks can't cast a spell, though. 1.00
01:14:34.000 You gotta be careful.
01:14:37.000 Don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
01:14:39.000 There might be a little sorcery going on that you gotta put a stop to.
01:14:42.000 Can't drive.
01:14:43.000 Can't exercise. 1.00
01:14:45.000 Fuck. 1.00
01:14:46.000 And you can't escape either. 1.00
01:14:47.000 No.
01:14:48.000 Oh, and, you know, King Abdullah, when he died, everyone was saying he was this great reformer.
01:14:52.000 The Pentagon even, like, did an essay contest honoring King Abdullah.
01:14:56.000 Giving out prizes for people.
01:14:58.000 Like, that's how insanely twisted this whole scenario is.
01:15:01.000 Meanwhile, of course, the 28 Pages movement that shows that Saudi Arabia was involved in 9-11 were actively carrying up that.
01:15:08.000 Bandar Bush, which was in the Saudi government, and they actually called him a Bush because he was so close with the Bush administration.
01:15:16.000 And he, I mean, Bob Graham, Senator Bob Graham has come out and said, why did Bandar Bush, like...
01:15:22.000 Why are we protecting Saudis who were involved in the 9-11 attacks?
01:15:25.000 I mean, straight up.
01:15:26.000 Everyone ask yourself that.
01:15:28.000 If you can give me a good answer, that would be great. 0.99
01:15:31.000 If it's not about political bribery, what the fuck is it about? 0.83
01:15:34.000 If it's not about, like, paying off these politicians with tens of millions of dollars, I don't know. 0.98
01:15:38.000 What else could it be about, if you really stop and think about it?
01:15:40.000 I don't know.
01:15:40.000 I mean, what else could it be about, except having an ally, in quotes, in the Middle East?
01:15:46.000 But it's the worst ally to have.
01:15:48.000 If you really cared about stopping terrorism, Saudi Arabia is the biggest exporter of terror. 0.98
01:15:54.000 Wahhabi terrorism. 0.97
01:15:55.000 How dare you? 0.89
01:15:56.000 What are you saying?
01:15:58.000 It's unbelievable, man.
01:15:59.000 They're our allies, Abby Martin.
01:16:00.000 It's unbelievable.
01:16:01.000 Well, yeah. 1.00
01:16:02.000 Yeah, that is pretty fucked. 0.99
01:16:03.000 What I was getting, what started this all off, was I was trying to figure out what would be the motivation of Hillary Clinton at this stage of her life. 0.99
01:16:10.000 Like, how much money does she need? 1.00
01:16:12.000 How much does she have?
01:16:13.000 And how much does she need? 0.95
01:16:15.000 Hillary's $2.5 billion obscene fundraising goal. 0.81
01:16:20.000 That's her goal in order to become president? 1.00
01:16:22.000 Grrr.
01:16:23.000 I remember an article came out that said that she had a student discount on the speaking tours that she was giving, and it was like $250,000 was a speaking fee at a university, and that was the student discount.
01:16:36.000 $250,000 to speak.
01:16:38.000 What is she going to say? 0.99
01:16:39.000 What is she going to fucking say? 0.99
01:16:40.000 Well, when Bill got blown by Monica Lewinsky, I was super bummed out. 0.99
01:16:44.000 We smoked a victory cigar together.
01:16:46.000 But I knew that one day I would be president, so I let it slide.
01:16:51.000 Yeah, what?
01:16:52.000 Huh? 1.00
01:16:52.000 Hillary Clinton is the worst, man. 1.00
01:16:54.000 She's the fucking worst. 1.00
01:16:55.000 And, you know, the whole Saudi Arabia thing really grinds my gears because it's, you know, here you have Saudi Arabia beheading people for sorcery, exporting terrorism around the world. 1.00
01:17:07.000 And then you have Cuba, which today, you know, here we go, 56 years after the Cold War, Cuba finally got removed from the state sponsors of terrorism list.
01:17:15.000 Yeah, you can buy cigars now.
01:17:17.000 They're sweet.
01:17:18.000 State sponsors of terrorism. 1.00
01:17:20.000 That's what Cuba was on for decades and decades for no fucking reason. 0.99
01:17:25.000 Not even North Korea is on the list. 0.98
01:17:27.000 Really?
01:17:29.000 We're weird.
01:17:32.000 We're so weird.
01:17:33.000 I just feel like we just need to hang in. 0.85
01:17:35.000 We need to hang in there until all this becomes so obscene and ridiculous that they're forced to change.
01:17:41.000 But probably not going to be in 2016. It's probably not going to be this go-around.
01:17:46.000 There's no good choice there between Jeb Bush, who's just the creepiest, and Hillary, and then Rand Paul, who now I hate.
01:17:55.000 Right.
01:17:55.000 I don't like you, Rand.
01:17:56.000 It's really unfortunate.
01:17:58.000 Even Bernie Sanders.
01:18:00.000 You know it's bad when a sitting congressman or senator comes out and is like, we need a massive political revolution.
01:18:07.000 Like a massive grassroots revolution.
01:18:10.000 He's in Congress.
01:18:11.000 We certainly do.
01:18:12.000 It's amazing.
01:18:13.000 Yeah, and these Chris Christie types who I think he realizes he'll never be president anyway, which is one of the reasons why he's saying those things in order to...
01:18:20.000 Keep the coalition or whatever he's established with whatever powers that be that are trying to keep marijuana illegal in New Jersey. 0.99
01:18:28.000 He's somehow or another in bed with those fucks and that's what he's doing. 0.99
01:18:32.000 He's serving them with that speech. 1.00
01:18:34.000 He doesn't really think he's gonna be president. 0.99
01:18:35.000 He knows that the shit that he did by blocking the bridge and the various scandals that he's involved with. 1.00
01:18:42.000 The Bridgegate thing, that was so ridiculous. 1.00
01:18:44.000 He's a scumbag. 1.00
01:18:45.000 Yeah, he's a New Jersey scumbag. 1.00
01:18:47.000 And plus he's fat. 1.00
01:18:48.000 You can't be that fat and be president. 0.99
01:18:50.000 And people are like, ooh, you're fat shaming. 0.99
01:18:51.000 Can you imagine a woman that fat being like in his position? 1.00
01:18:53.000 Hilarious. 0.87
01:18:54.000 That's hilarious.
01:18:55.000 It would be insane.
01:18:55.000 You can't.
01:18:56.000 Look, if you're that obese, it shows you have no respect for your body. 0.77
01:19:00.000 I don't care what anybody says about metabolism and all this nonsense talk.
01:19:05.000 Oh, emotions.
01:19:06.000 Stop.
01:19:07.000 Stop. 1.00
01:19:07.000 You're a fucking grown adult. 1.00
01:19:08.000 If you want to be a leader, you're a leader... 1.00
01:19:11.000 How can you be a leader when you have such poor respect for your very biology? 1.00
01:19:16.000 Your very body is awash in shitty food. 1.00
01:19:21.000 You have made terrible choices with your diet and with how you present yourself. 1.00
01:19:26.000 You're presenting this disgusting, slovenly, lazy thing that's your meat wagon. 0.99
01:19:32.000 That's what you're walking around in. 1.00
01:19:34.000 You know, if you went over someone's house and there was stacks of old newspapers and cat shit all over the floor, you'd be like, oh, this person's a fucking nut. 1.00
01:19:41.000 That's the same thing when you see a morbidly obese person in a suit that wants to run America. 1.00
01:19:48.000 Other problems, dude. 1.00
01:19:49.000 You need to start eating vegetables, you fuck. 1.00
01:19:51.000 You need to start drinking water. 1.00
01:19:53.000 Whatever you're doing to your body is not good. 0.99
01:19:56.000 And getting your stomach stapled or whatever the crazy fucking procedure, that just shows me you can't even deal with it on your own. 0.99
01:20:02.000 You've got to do... 0.99
01:20:02.000 That's not a leader. 0.99
01:20:03.000 And I'm not talking about the average person who is...
01:20:06.000 Emotional issues or whatever that causes you to overeat and you know, I hope everybody who listens get that under wraps, whoever you are, but when you're when you're stepping up and saying I want to be a leader I want to be a leader of the country the entire Country you can't be fat. 0.99
01:20:23.000 You just can't you can't be that I mean not saying you have to be like super fit, but you can't be morbidly obese that guy's morbidly obese He's a dumpster, just big waddling, fucking thighs rubbing together, gut overflowing over his belt, pulling it up, 1.00
01:20:38.000 and just a big doughy asshole. 1.00
01:20:40.000 He's fat shaming! 1.00
01:20:42.000 Fat shaming is a hilarious thing. 1.00
01:20:44.000 Because, you know what, we're not talking about shaming someone who has, you know, a congenital disease or some disfigurement because of an accident.
01:20:52.000 We're talking about...
01:20:54.000 You're slovenly behavior.
01:20:55.000 You're stuffing your body with way more food than it needs.
01:20:58.000 Do you not have mirrors? 1.00
01:21:00.000 Do you not have a scale in your fucking house? 1.00
01:21:02.000 Do you not see yourself being like, man, I probably am unhealthy as fuck right now, and I'm still eating. 1.00
01:21:07.000 What's that all about? 0.99
01:21:08.000 Sitting there with a napkin tucked in your shirt. 1.00
01:21:12.000 Bitten in the big fucking fat forkfuls of food in your greedy asshole mouth. 1.00
01:21:19.000 Fat shaming. 1.00
01:21:20.000 No! 0.99
01:21:21.000 There's a reason to mock fat people like that. 0.97
01:21:24.000 There's a reason. 0.96
01:21:25.000 Especially when it's Chris Christie.
01:21:26.000 Yeah, when you're trying to be a leader and you have a horrible, like, real obvious poor judgment when it comes to your health.
01:21:35.000 No!
01:21:36.000 No, you can't.
01:21:37.000 No, you can't. 1.00
01:21:38.000 By the way, you can't shoot heroin and be president either, asshole. 1.00
01:21:41.000 If I catch you in your fucking office with a big rubber band around your bicep and you're fucking banging it at lunch. 1.00
01:21:46.000 It's a disease! 1.00
01:21:47.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:21:48.000 That's what they say about everything.
01:21:50.000 Right. 1.00
01:21:50.000 Everything's a goddamn disease. 1.00
01:21:52.000 Right. 1.00
01:21:53.000 Did you see that video of the police car that just came out last night just going full speed into a dude who just robbed a store?
01:22:00.000 What?
01:22:00.000 Yeah, dude.
01:22:01.000 Check this out.
01:22:02.000 It is unreal.
01:22:03.000 Marie and I were watching this. 1.00
01:22:05.000 We were like, what the fuck? 0.99
01:22:07.000 I've got a theory that I've been throwing around a lot lately. 0.99
01:22:11.000 I don't think anybody should be a cop.
01:22:13.000 I don't think anybody's qualified.
01:22:15.000 I really don't.
01:22:15.000 I don't think anybody's qualified to be a cop.
01:22:17.000 I don't think anybody's qualified to be a president.
01:22:19.000 Cop especially though.
01:22:21.000 I think that job requires so much self-control.
01:22:25.000 You mean you almost have to be like a monk.
01:22:27.000 You almost have to be some enlightened being who's separate from the pressure that the average person is going to receive the PTSD by, you know, going into how many domestic violence situations do you have to go into and watch, you know, men and women who have killed each other in these horrible love triangles or robberies or,
01:22:48.000 you know, fill in the blank rapes or, you know, how many times do you have to see these horrible things before your brain is just broken?
01:22:54.000 I mean, how many times you have to just think that everyone is out to get you everywhere you go because you've had guys, you know, try to grab your gun or you've had, you know, prisoners try to punch you as you're trying to put the handcuffs on them.
01:23:08.000 I think those guys are broken.
01:23:10.000 I think I've met a lot of them and I know a lot of them.
01:23:13.000 They're good people and I think they do the best job they can.
01:23:17.000 But I honestly think that it is we're asking for someone to do something that the human body is not designed for.
01:23:24.000 To be the professional enemy.
01:23:27.000 And also the professional power.
01:23:29.000 Like you have massive power as a cop.
01:23:32.000 And I don't think the average person is qualified to wield that kind of power.
01:23:37.000 The psychological ramifications of being a person who can end someone's life with your finger anytime you want by squeezing some small muscles in your finger, it's insane. 0.98
01:23:48.000 When you see that guy, when that guy's running in South Carolina, and that guy's running, and that guy pulls that gun out and he's shooting him as he runs, what the fuck has to go through your mind where you're seeing a middle-aged guy running away from you and you're shooting him in the back? 0.99
01:24:04.000 A lot of people want the kill. 0.99
01:24:07.000 It's like the military.
01:24:08.000 And I talked to this guy, Ray Lewis, a former captain of the Philadelphia Police Force, and he said that they purposefully vet sociopathic and people lacking empathy for the job.
01:24:19.000 And if you're too intelligent, they actually don't want you to be a cop.
01:24:22.000 I've seen that.
01:24:23.000 I've seen guys who have high IQs actually get turned down.
01:24:27.000 There was a story about that.
01:24:28.000 This guy had some genius IQ, and they turned him down for the police force.
01:24:31.000 Maybe because they don't want you to overthink and they just want you to react quickly.
01:24:36.000 It's hilarious.
01:24:36.000 As if your brain works too good, you're going to overthink?
01:24:39.000 I like the idea, and I've posited this before, of disarming police.
01:24:46.000 Not the society.
01:24:47.000 Not taking away guns from people, but taking away guns from cops.
01:24:50.000 Until they can understand how to properly use them.
01:24:54.000 There's other countries that have many guns per capita, like some European countries, and I forget which, I want to say Norway.
01:25:01.000 They have guns, they have a shitload of guns, but their cops don't.
01:25:06.000 Iceland, for example, their police do have guns, but they don't ever use them.
01:25:11.000 A cop, I think, killed one guy and the whole country mourned.
01:25:14.000 It was like the first time that it happened since the existence of Iceland, like since the revolution.
01:25:19.000 Well, here's a crazy statistic.
01:25:20.000 Cops in America have killed more people in March of this year than since 1900 in England.
01:25:28.000 Mm-hmm.
01:25:30.000 And in England, there's been like axe wielders, like people running around with axes, and it shows how cops can peacefully disarm them instead of just executing people.
01:25:40.000 We have a serious problem here.
01:25:42.000 It's definitely a serious problem, and it's not just a problem with standard police officers, it's a problem with the DEA. I mean, anybody who's seen those DEA raids where they kick in doors and shoot little dogs, like fucking Shih Tzus and shit. 0.99
01:25:55.000 Throw flashbang grenades in cribs. 1.00
01:25:57.000 Yeah.
01:25:57.000 Yeah.
01:25:57.000 For what?
01:25:58.000 Someone has some substance in there that's not sanctioned by a tax stamp?
01:26:02.000 You know, and a lot of times not even.
01:26:05.000 Like the one where the kid with the crib, they didn't even have any drugs there.
01:26:08.000 They never find anything, yeah.
01:26:09.000 Yeah, or there's a famous, in the culture high, the documentary, there's that famous... 0.98
01:26:15.000 Video where they shoot this guy's dog because they had found like some pot in his his trash They had found like a grinder or something in his trash So they they did a SWAT raid on this guy's house in front of his family And you hear bang bang and the dog's yiping the guy's crying you shot my fucking dog like why'd you shoot my dog and And, 0.78
01:26:36.000 you know, they're handcuffing them, and it's just that power over people, and that power without reason, without reasonable understanding of the situation, a reasonable conversation, just kick down the door, bulletproof vest, gun down the door, gun down the dog. 0.97
01:26:52.000 This is what we do.
01:26:54.000 Yeah, SWAT no-knock raids are insane. 0.99
01:26:56.000 And there's been instances where they've done no-knock raids in the middle of the fucking night. 0.98
01:27:00.000 And then a person will shoot them thinking that it's just an armed robber, and then they'll go to jail for the rest of their lives. 0.97
01:27:07.000 And they're like, how is this legal?
01:27:09.000 I think one of the most insane things that police are doing right now is called civil asset forfeiture.
01:27:14.000 Have you heard of this?
01:27:14.000 Sure.
01:27:15.000 Or they just can seize your assets for no reason.
01:27:17.000 Literally no reason.
01:27:19.000 One state just overturned that.
01:27:21.000 What was the state that just...
01:27:22.000 I'd heard that.
01:27:23.000 I don't know...
01:27:23.000 Yeah, who...
01:27:24.000 That's actually a really good point.
01:27:26.000 I need to write about that.
01:27:27.000 Well, Jamie will find it out.
01:27:28.000 But some states are stepping up and saying, look, enough already.
01:27:32.000 It's basically the mafia.
01:27:34.000 Cops can just stop anyone they want. 0.99
01:27:36.000 Take all the money on them, and this has happened many times, and it's tragic, it's heartbreaking, because someone will maybe lose $30,000.
01:27:43.000 People who don't want a bank account, per se, they want to keep cash on them, because why not?
01:27:49.000 Yeah, why not? 1.00
01:27:50.000 It doesn't mean you're a fucking drug dealer. 0.99
01:27:52.000 And so they just take their cash, and then they just won't get it back. 0.98
01:27:55.000 And if they can afford to hire a lawyer for $10,000 and spend months In litigation to get their money back, then maybe they can.
01:28:03.000 But really, like these people, maybe they had a giant pile of cash because they wanted to refurbish their kitchen or in the restaurant they were working in.
01:28:10.000 A lot of people have had to close down their businesses after the police have stolen their cash.
01:28:15.000 And then they're allowed to use that cash.
01:28:16.000 And then they're allowed to use the cash.
01:28:17.000 They take that cash and it's theirs now.
01:28:19.000 It goes in their coffers.
01:28:21.000 Totally legally.
01:28:21.000 It's just so weird.
01:28:23.000 We've entered into this really weird time.
01:28:27.000 Especially when it comes to law enforcement, it's being exposed now in a way that's never been before because of all these YouTube clips.
01:28:33.000 Because of cameras, yeah.
01:28:34.000 Yeah, you're just getting to see cops shooting people and beating people up.
01:28:38.000 Those cops, they found that guy who would run away from them on horseback.
01:28:43.000 So they're kicking him in the head while he's laying face down. 0.96
01:28:47.000 They're just punting him in the head. 0.74
01:28:49.000 And the guy's out. 0.80
01:28:50.000 He's out cold. 0.99
01:28:51.000 They're beating the shit out of him, kicking his body. 0.99
01:28:53.000 Like, what are you doing? 1.00
01:28:54.000 You're not a cop. 1.00
01:28:55.000 You're a fucking criminal right now. 1.00
01:28:57.000 And also, don't you know that people are probably filming you? 1.00
01:28:59.000 They didn't know.
01:29:00.000 I mean, they were being filmed by cameras above them.
01:29:03.000 That was helicopter news cameras, I believe, that caught them kicking the guy in the head.
01:29:07.000 Wow.
01:29:07.000 Because it was a wild chase.
01:29:10.000 The guy was on fucking horseback, and they were trying to catch the guy. 0.99
01:29:14.000 Whatever. 1.00
01:29:14.000 You don't get to kick a guy in the head just because he ran. 1.00
01:29:17.000 You're supposed to capture him, you lazy fuck. 1.00
01:29:19.000 And then once you capture him, you lock him up. 1.00
01:29:22.000 Did you find the video of the car?
01:29:24.000 What's that?
01:29:24.000 The NBA players in New York City.
01:29:26.000 What?
01:29:29.000 This player, Thabo Cephalosha, there was a really crazy story that happened last week.
01:29:33.000 This player for the Pacers named Chris Copeland was stabbed in an incident outside a club.
01:29:37.000 And a couple hours later, two other players from a separate NBA team showed up.
01:29:41.000 And there's a video of this guy.
01:29:43.000 He's actually black.
01:29:45.000 Thabo Cephalosha? 0.61
01:29:46.000 He's not from America. 0.99
01:29:47.000 I forget the country he's from.
01:29:48.000 But he's shown getting beaten and arrested by like six cops.
01:29:51.000 And it ended up being that he broke his leg.
01:29:53.000 And the incident has ligament damage.
01:29:55.000 He's out for the rest of the season in the playoffs.
01:29:57.000 It's a little bit of an incident right now.
01:29:59.000 There's a lot of stories coming out right now.
01:30:01.000 What actually happened.
01:30:02.000 Why they were...
01:30:04.000 The charge was that they were arrested for obstructing...
01:30:07.000 The police from setting up a crime scene.
01:30:10.000 Setting up a crime scene?
01:30:11.000 Yeah, like I said, this is hours after the incident.
01:30:15.000 And right now, I think they're going to sue the police.
01:30:22.000 It hasn't really come out exactly, but like I said, what's going to happen yet.
01:30:25.000 This is every day.
01:30:26.000 The NBA players unit is investigating.
01:30:28.000 The FBI, I think, is investigating.
01:30:29.000 So, I'm sorry.
01:30:30.000 I'm still confused.
01:30:31.000 So, what does it say there?
01:30:33.000 That he was provoked by the police before the arrest?
01:30:35.000 When I pulled up the story, this just came out today, too.
01:30:38.000 There's sources that were outside of this club filming it, and people are saying, I saw this happen.
01:30:44.000 And I was just reading this just now.
01:30:45.000 It said that he, during this incident, him and the other player, Antic is his name.
01:30:49.000 I forget his first name.
01:30:50.000 It was a like 6'10 white guy.
01:30:52.000 He wasn't roughed up by the cops at all either by the way.
01:30:56.000 They didn't rough up the white guy?
01:30:57.000 He was just sitting there in the video.
01:30:59.000 And they said he attacked or ran towards a cop and then another source said he didn't really do that and the cop was stalking him like a defensive back.
01:31:08.000 And when they were walking away towards the car he just simply said to the cop, what's your problem with me?
01:31:12.000 And that's when what the video picks up there and he's getting beat up.
01:31:15.000 Jesus Christ.
01:31:17.000 And this is just coming out?
01:31:19.000 Yeah, this just happened maybe last week?
01:31:21.000 Or this week?
01:31:22.000 Oh, boy.
01:31:24.000 Yeah, no one should be a cop.
01:31:26.000 We need Robocop.
01:31:27.000 You know how all the people are saying, you know, where are the moderate Muslims whenever, like, there's, like, some sort of attack?
01:31:32.000 Where are the moderate police coming out and speaking out against every single cop?
01:31:35.000 That's a good point.
01:31:36.000 That's a very good point.
01:31:37.000 Where are the moderate police?
01:31:39.000 Where are the moderate cops?
01:31:39.000 Yeah.
01:31:40.000 Supreme Court overturns forfeiture of homes as a state failed to show law.
01:31:44.000 That's Tennessee.
01:31:45.000 That's one statute.
01:31:51.000 Actions under Tennessee's civil forfeiture statute.
01:31:54.000 State must present evidence.
01:31:55.000 It's cash, too, yeah.
01:31:56.000 So that's good.
01:31:57.000 Oh, good.
01:31:57.000 Good, very good.
01:31:58.000 Good for Tennessee. 0.92
01:31:59.000 That's brilliant.
01:32:00.000 That's really surprising, actually, in Tennessee, but good.
01:32:02.000 Well, you know what? 0.99
01:32:03.000 Someone along the line will probably go, fucked, and they're just enough already. 0.99
01:32:07.000 You're stealing money from people. 0.99
01:32:10.000 You can't just steal money.
01:32:11.000 It's unbelievable.
01:32:12.000 Yeah, I mean it all...
01:32:14.000 The idea behind it...
01:32:16.000 Probably there's some good idea behind it if you're dealing with organized crime and them having massive sums of money they've got through nefarious ways and then you figure out a way to catch those people and take that money from them. 0.95
01:32:28.000 But as soon as you allow regular people like the police, regular people like that fucking dumb old man that shot that guy the other day because he thought he had a taser out and he had a gun out and he said, oops, I shot him. 0.94
01:32:41.000 That's the type of people you have as cops? 0.99
01:32:44.000 And he was 73, by the way. 0.99
01:32:45.000 Which is fucking way too old. 0.99
01:32:47.000 That's like John McCain. 0.98
01:32:48.000 Like, why are you in a position of power?
01:32:50.000 Why? 0.99
01:32:51.000 You better be a badass fucking 73 guy to be a cop. 1.00
01:32:55.000 He was a reserve, I think. 0.99
01:32:56.000 I think he's a donor.
01:32:58.000 That reminds me of...
01:32:59.000 What do you think of Tom Cotton? 0.99
01:33:01.000 Have you been following this douchebag? 0.99
01:33:03.000 No. 0.98
01:33:03.000 This, like, overly buffed-up military dude who's, like, in the Marines. 0.98
01:33:06.000 He came out on the scene, like, six months ago, and then all of a sudden is trying to, like, go to war with Iran.
01:33:10.000 Like, you know, you have Obama.
01:33:12.000 What does he do?
01:33:12.000 You have Obama doing these diplomatic negotiations with Iran, which I completely support.
01:33:18.000 Diplomacy.
01:33:19.000 Amazingly. 1.00
01:33:20.000 You have all these assholes. 0.99
01:33:22.000 I think 47 senators or congressmen signed on to this letter by Tom Cotton, who's basically backed by these neocon war hawks in places like the Foreign Policy Initiative and Bill Kristol, who love war. 0.99
01:33:34.000 Their whole problem is that the public is too war-weary.
01:33:37.000 He's actually written this.
01:33:39.000 So they pick people like Tom Cotton. 0.99
01:33:41.000 To be like they're trolls like this guy comes out and writes this letter to Iran basically saying like we don't support these like diplomatic negotiations and encouraging all of these congressmen to sign on to this letter to basically stimmy the process and it's like it's unfucking heard of it's like since when does this asshole Get to come out and kind of like usurp the president. 0.99
01:34:04.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
01:34:04.000 It's unbelievable. 0.99
01:34:06.000 And all these people sign on to it.
01:34:08.000 And every time you look at like a military intervention in the last decade, it always stems from these letters from these think tanks that like try to shape policy.
01:34:15.000 And here's this semester's guy, Tom Cotton. 0.97
01:34:20.000 He's a total troll. 0.52
01:34:21.000 So it says here, I love this, the red state, the title, Tom Cotton, rock star. 0.96
01:34:29.000 Tom Cotton.
01:34:30.000 He also, like, just as blatantly funded by defense companies.
01:34:34.000 100%.
01:34:35.000 Is he?
01:34:36.000 Yeah.
01:34:36.000 Whoa.
01:34:37.000 There was just a phone call that was recorded by a Deutsche Bank, I think, analyst and Lockheed Martin CEO, where the Deutsche Bank guy was saying, hey, we're really worried that the Iran negotiations is going to depress weapons sales.
01:34:52.000 What should we do?
01:34:53.000 This is how these people talk.
01:34:55.000 This is actually happening.
01:34:56.000 That they're worried that diplomacy with Iran is going to You know, hurt the bottom line of the military-industrial complex.
01:35:04.000 Isn't that just comforting?
01:35:06.000 Whenever you have any sort of a political environment, you're going to have extremes on both sides.
01:35:15.000 So this guy is the extreme on the right side.
01:35:19.000 And these articles about him, pro and con, that I'm seeing right now, they seem to...
01:35:28.000 To highlight how smart he is.
01:35:29.000 The guy is smart, very articulate, and very, very aware of all the minutiae of the Middle East and the conflict in the Middle East. 0.99
01:35:37.000 He's not a newbie asshole who's just in the military and thinks that that makes him have fucking experience, and it doesn't. 0.98
01:35:41.000 I'm just reading what they're saying about him. 0.99
01:35:44.000 Your take may vary.
01:35:47.000 But this is...
01:35:48.000 This is also the people who invited Netanyahu to come speak at Congress.
01:35:53.000 Completely bizarre move, unheard of, to invite a foreign leader to come, like, try to usurp a diplomatic process that's going on. 0.76
01:36:01.000 Because, of course, Netanyahu's insane and wants to bomb Iran. 0.76
01:36:04.000 So that happened. 1.00
01:36:08.000 There's a lot of these fucking people that will jump on board with this guy, though. 0.99
01:36:11.000 There is, yeah. 1.00
01:36:12.000 We get scary is if a guy like that can weasel his way all the way up to the top and run for president. 0.99
01:36:17.000 That's when shit gets weird. 0.99
01:36:19.000 If we've got a really hawkish military-based president who is totally down to just start bombing. 1.00
01:36:30.000 Mm-hmm.
01:36:32.000 Yeah.
01:36:33.000 Especially a guy who's got a little PTSD. Yep.
01:36:36.000 Maybe been over there a little. 1.00
01:36:38.000 Seen some shit. 1.00
01:36:39.000 Seen a little too much. 1.00
01:36:41.000 Did a little too much. 0.92
01:36:43.000 Yeah, Tom Cotton is a total douche. 0.96
01:36:46.000 How dare you? 0.99
01:36:47.000 Total douche.
01:36:48.000 How dare you?
01:36:49.000 But I like that you said it's the extreme ideologues, because I think that that's the way it is in all of these conflicts.
01:36:54.000 It's not a fight between Islam and the West.
01:36:56.000 It's a fight between the most extreme ideologues on all sides and the most militaristic, fascistic ideologues, you know, that you'll see that take these to the extreme.
01:37:06.000 Unfortunately, in America, these people have suits and they're called politicians, a couple of them.
01:37:11.000 Well, this guy, this Tom Cotton guy, the picture in the Red State article where it says Tom Cotton, rock star, is him in full fatigues with a machine gun in his hand.
01:37:25.000 That is insane.
01:37:26.000 Why is he posing like that?
01:37:28.000 Look at his head is so small, too, compared to the rest of his body.
01:37:30.000 He's got a very small neck.
01:37:31.000 Very small neck, very narrow shoulders, which would lead to a lot of overcompensation.
01:37:36.000 That's not good genetics.
01:37:37.000 Redstate.com.
01:37:39.000 What the hell is this?
01:37:40.000 Never heard of his website.
01:37:42.000 Rockstar.
01:37:43.000 He's a rockstar.
01:37:44.000 What is that?
01:37:50.000 There's gonna be people like that, right?
01:37:51.000 There's gonna be the Karl Rove of the world.
01:37:54.000 It's gonna be the Ken Starrs. 0.97
01:37:57.000 But then there's the Obamas who you think are so much better, but then look at he has what seven countries that he's bombing under his belt.
01:38:04.000 He's sold more guns in the first five years of his term than Bush did in the entire eight years term.
01:38:11.000 Well, it's one of those things where you can't be in that position unless you're playing the game.
01:38:17.000 It doesn't seem like you can get there unless you're playing the game.
01:38:21.000 And he got in and he showed he's playing the game.
01:38:23.000 He's doing what everybody else did, making everybody money.
01:38:27.000 I wonder.
01:38:28.000 I would love to see a rationalization of that.
01:38:31.000 You know, if there comes a time one day when Obama's like 80 years old where he gets to sit down and explain like the way Jimmy Carter does speeches today.
01:38:39.000 You know, Jimmy Carter does interviews today where he talks about the Iran crisis, the hostage crisis, and it's pretty sobering when you, you know, you realize that he knows that the Republicans were already negotiating for the release of the hostages before he was, you know, I mean, he didn't really have a chance.
01:38:54.000 They kept those people in there Up until the moment where Reagan won and Reagan got in office and then they were all magically freed.
01:39:01.000 It's really creepy.
01:39:03.000 And when you hear him talk today with very measured tones and very measured sentences, you know, I would love to see that kind of a conversation with Obama in the future where he could really tell us, like, what was going on during this whole drone thing, when you were getting the statistics,
01:39:19.000 when you were realizing that 80-plus percentage of the people that you were killing were innocents.
01:39:24.000 Like, how is that?
01:39:25.000 And you're still using surgical drone strikes as that was the narrative?
01:39:30.000 Like, how is that possible?
01:39:32.000 How are you allowing that to happen?
01:39:34.000 What was going on behind the scenes?
01:39:38.000 Going back to that report that said that 4 million have died in Iraq, Afghanistan, 80,000 people have died under the U.S.'s warrant here in Pakistan alone.
01:39:47.000 And we've never sent ground troops in there.
01:39:49.000 We've only been using drones.
01:39:51.000 80,000 people have died from drones?
01:39:53.000 I don't know if it's directly from drones or if it's a result from whatever the hell the US has been doing.
01:39:58.000 I'm sure there's like a lot of covert operations going on as well.
01:40:01.000 But it shows you the numbers that we're being given are completely And this is from what year?
01:40:06.000 This is since 2003. In Pakistan.
01:40:09.000 80,000 people.
01:40:10.000 That's a lot of people.
01:40:12.000 Hopes, dreams, shattered lives.
01:40:15.000 And that's just not them.
01:40:16.000 It's like you were saying.
01:40:16.000 It's widows.
01:40:17.000 It's, you know, children.
01:40:20.000 How about when you find out about the military suicide rate?
01:40:23.000 That's where it gets really bizarre.
01:40:25.000 More people have actually committed suicide than have died in Iraq.
01:40:28.000 There's one every 65 minutes.
01:40:30.000 A veteran commits suicide every 65 minutes.
01:40:34.000 Wow.
01:40:34.000 Well, if it's timed like that, can't someone just get there at 64 minutes and take the gun away from it?
01:40:39.000 Stupid. 1.00
01:40:40.000 Sorry. 0.99
01:40:41.000 It does seem like it's a different thing than has ever existed before.
01:40:47.000 I mean, when Smedley Butler wrote that famous piece, War is a Racket, back in 1933, you could read that and apply it today to, and Smedley Butler was a, what was his position, something in the Marine Corps, very highly ranked in the Marine Corps,
01:41:03.000 Sergeant General or some shit, I remember.
01:41:05.000 I forget what his actual... 0.95
01:41:07.000 Title was in the Marine Corps, but what he said back then it applies today and If you read it and you're reading something about the 1930s This guy thought that he was going over there saving the world and really was making it safe for bankers or safer oil people or safe for this or safe for that and It's exactly the same shit that's going on today and when guys are involved in that and they have the going with this ideal They really are in their mind.
01:41:32.000 They want to be heroes.
01:41:33.000 They want to stand up for their country They believe in it They believe in justice and they want to be a hero and they go over there and they realize oh, I'm just a hitman I'm a hitman for this creepy fucking corporation that wants to keep sucking the oil out of the ground over here and doesn't want to deal with all these people that wanted to stop and That's got to be a very sobering point of view, 0.83
01:41:52.000 a very sobering perspective. 0.75
01:41:54.000 Yeah, I think that does play a lot into it.
01:41:57.000 The military is not seen as something that's good anymore to a lot of people. 0.97
01:42:01.000 And I think a lot of soldiers who get in just out of desperation and then they realize that, what the fuck are we doing over here? 0.96
01:42:06.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:42:07.000 What are we doing?
01:42:08.000 An interesting aspect of that statistic, though, is that the majority is over 60. Who are committing suicide.
01:42:15.000 Over 60?
01:42:17.000 Which means that this is like World War II Vietnam and Korean War era.
01:42:21.000 The majority are over 60?
01:42:23.000 Wow.
01:42:24.000 Yeah.
01:42:25.000 Oh, I didn't know that.
01:42:26.000 That's interesting.
01:42:27.000 And they factor that in when they talk about veterans committing suicide, I think what they were talking about is currently active veterans that were committing suicide.
01:42:38.000 If you add in, that's probably where the 65-minute thing comes from.
01:42:41.000 Is it?
01:42:42.000 Check it out.
01:42:43.000 Yeah, I think that probably makes sense because what they were talking about when they were saying that more people have committed suicide, I think they were talking about active military right now.
01:42:51.000 Than have died in combat.
01:42:52.000 Than have died in combat.
01:42:53.000 Which is insane.
01:42:55.000 That's hard to believe. 1.00
01:42:57.000 Is there any more evidence that your fucking system doesn't work than the people that are doing it commit suicide? 1.00
01:43:03.000 Fuck. 1.00
01:43:05.000 Did you ever see American Sniper? 1.00
01:43:07.000 I did not.
01:43:08.000 I had friends that liked it and I had friends that hated it.
01:43:14.000 Duncan had a really funny thing about it.
01:43:17.000 Duncan hated it.
01:43:18.000 Ari Shaffir hated it. 0.97
01:43:19.000 Tom Segura really liked it.
01:43:20.000 I didn't see it.
01:43:22.000 I didn't have a desire to see it.
01:43:24.000 I think the story itself, the actual real story, is very fascinating.
01:43:28.000 I think Chris Kyle as an individual It's a very, very complex case.
01:43:33.000 It's a very complex thing to discuss, but if you even talk about him, you're a coward, and Chris Kyle was a hero, and you just sit there realizing that your freedom that you have is because of a guy like Chris Kyle.
01:43:50.000 What?
01:43:51.000 Huh?
01:43:52.000 Yeah.
01:43:52.000 I'm sorry.
01:43:53.000 Is sniping like heroic? 1.00
01:43:55.000 Because to me that's like super fucking pussy, dude. 1.00
01:43:58.000 How dare you? 1.00
01:43:59.000 You're gonna fucking snipe someone? 1.00
01:43:59.000 How dare you? 1.00
01:44:00.000 Go with fucking nunchucks or a knife. 1.00
01:44:02.000 You want to fucking fight someone? 1.00
01:44:04.000 That's dumb. 1.00
01:44:05.000 Nunchucks or a knife is a really dumb way to go about it. 1.00
01:44:08.000 That's a silly way. 1.00
01:44:09.000 You gotta snipe them. 1.00
01:44:10.000 No, that's bullshit. 1.00
01:44:12.000 And someone who snipes like a fucking 150 people, how is that heroic? 1.00
01:44:16.000 How is that heroic? 1.00
01:44:17.000 If those 150 people were going to kill Americans or eagles. 0.93
01:44:21.000 I hate nationalism. 0.60
01:44:22.000 I'm sorry.
01:44:23.000 If they're going to keep the eagle from soaring like she's never soared before.
01:44:28.000 You never know.
01:44:29.000 It could be.
01:44:29.000 And another problem, I mean, the people who did see it in American Sniper, Clint Eastwood actually inserted things that weren't in the book at all, like the human shield myth that we talked extensively about before that they used to justify all these mass casualties in Gaza, saying that everyone uses a human shield.
01:44:46.000 They showed a human shield myth playing out in the movie that never existed.
01:44:50.000 It showed a woman being guarded by her son and holding a grenade or whatever.
01:44:54.000 And in the book, when you read Excerpts of Chris Kyle's book.
01:44:58.000 He talks about how these people were barbaric.
01:45:00.000 It was almost like Christopher Columbus in Howard Zinn's People's History of the United States.
01:45:04.000 You can read Christopher Columbus's journal entries when he first came here. 0.99
01:45:07.000 He was saying that everyone should just be killed, raped, and they were all barbaric animals. 0.99
01:45:12.000 And that's what Chris Kyle talked about Iraqis as. 1.00
01:45:15.000 He said that he hated them with a vengeance so strong that it was inhuman. 0.97
01:45:20.000 They were inhuman. 0.99
01:45:21.000 He didn't kill enough. 0.99
01:45:22.000 His only regret is that he didn't kill more people. 0.98
01:45:26.000 He said that he would beat animals just for fun. 1.00
01:45:28.000 Like, he's a sick bastard, man. 1.00
01:45:31.000 And you know what? 1.00
01:45:32.000 And he went out in such a perfect way. 1.00
01:45:36.000 Killed by a fucking fellow. 1.00
01:45:38.000 Killed by someone with PTSD. Yep. 1.00
01:45:40.000 Well, you know, I don't know what happened there.
01:45:43.000 I wasn't there.
01:45:44.000 I don't know if it was perfect. 0.97
01:45:45.000 It seems to me like a fucked up way to go. 0.95
01:45:47.000 He was working to try to help people with PTSD. I don't know the dude. 0.97
01:45:50.000 You know, also there's an issue I have.
01:45:53.000 What is it?
01:45:53.000 National estimate?
01:45:54.000 What are you pulling up, Jamie, in the middle of a conversation?
01:45:57.000 Oh, the veterans.
01:45:58.000 The suicide veterans.
01:45:59.000 Okay, what does it say?
01:46:00.000 National estimate based on Department of Veteran Affairs analysis of death records from 21 states.
01:46:04.000 Though it is usually cited...
01:46:06.000 Most of the suicides and older veterans.
01:46:08.000 Yeah.
01:46:09.000 Most of the suicides involved older veterans who account for the vast majority of the nation's 22 million former service members.
01:46:15.000 Among veterans in the current study, there is one suicide a day.
01:46:20.000 So, I'm confused.
01:46:22.000 So there's one suicide a day of active soldiers?
01:46:24.000 It seems that's what they're saying.
01:46:26.000 That's not nearly as much.
01:46:27.000 That's 365 a year.
01:46:29.000 But that's insane.
01:46:29.000 So that means that there's that many more, like 23 older veterans committing suicide every day?
01:46:36.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:46:36.000 That's ridiculous. 0.98
01:46:37.000 That's a lot. 0.99
01:46:38.000 Wow.
01:46:38.000 Yeah.
01:46:39.000 22 veterans take their lives each day.
01:46:42.000 22 every day, only one active.
01:46:45.000 Hmm.
01:46:46.000 That's bizarre.
01:46:48.000 You know, one of the things about the Chris Kyle thing, I think if you look at it fairly, you have to take into consideration the fact that this guy was, I mean, he's a Navy SEAL, and he's out there doing this incredibly difficult,
01:47:06.000 very dangerous job that, again, I don't think anybody's qualified for.
01:47:10.000 Just like a cop, just like, there's no perfect human being.
01:47:15.000 Sniping mothers from like five miles away? 1.00
01:47:16.000 Super dangerous, dude.
01:47:17.000 That's not.
01:47:18.000 Exactly all he did.
01:47:20.000 I'm just joking.
01:47:20.000 I'm with you.
01:47:21.000 I mean, I'm not taking a side here.
01:47:23.000 But what I'm saying is you've got to think that this guy gets out, he's got virtually no financial future.
01:47:29.000 If you look at what those guys get paid as far as what's the salary that they receive once they retire, it's nothing.
01:47:36.000 You can barely live off it.
01:47:37.000 You barely survive, which is... 0.99
01:47:40.000 If we're going to have military, you've got to fucking take care of them. 0.98
01:47:44.000 You know, the UFC donates in a large way. 0.98
01:47:47.000 We hold these events every year for the Intrepid Institute for Traumatic Brain Injuries.
01:47:53.000 And when you find out that they're...
01:47:57.000 Dependent upon outside sources to fund them and that these people that are veterans that get blown up and they have all sorts of head traumas, all these injuries, they don't get any help unless someone else donates.
01:48:09.000 That's insane.
01:48:10.000 It's incredible.
01:48:11.000 It's incredible.
01:48:12.000 The amount of money that is involved in the war as far as the amount of money that they give defense contractors, the amount of money that's spent on, you know, various operations is staggering.
01:48:23.000 The amount of money that's spent on taking care of the soldiers once they get out is very small. 0.93
01:48:27.000 So you're left with this guy who is a Navy SEAL who's been involved in I mean what PTSD to the fucking gills I mean how could you not you're shooting people from a distance watching heads explode your friends are dying people are dying all around you're in a death business and you come out and you've got this book to write and You know there's a lot of the stuff that he said in the book that's turned out to not be factual But if I was trying to sell a fucking book Okay, 0.86
01:48:53.000 and I was in that sort of a desperate situation. 0.99
01:48:55.000 I would put a bunch of shit in there that's not factual, too. 0.99
01:48:58.000 I'm like, what do I want to do? 0.99
01:48:59.000 I want to sell a book. 0.98
01:49:00.000 Yeah, you said that he was killing black people in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. 0.97
01:49:04.000 Like, killing looters, as if that somehow... 0.99
01:49:06.000 He was killing looters, yeah. 0.98
01:49:09.000 Yeah.
01:49:10.000 Well, it turned out to not be true.
01:49:11.000 Right.
01:49:12.000 That was one of the things that turned out to be true.
01:49:13.000 But again, you've got to look at it.
01:49:15.000 I mean, you don't have to.
01:49:16.000 But I try to, whenever I'm looking at any sort of a story like that, a very complex story involving a hired killer.
01:49:25.000 You give someone a license to go kill people.
01:49:28.000 You say, this is what you're supposed to do. 0.91
01:49:30.000 This is what you're doing.
01:49:31.000 And then you give them a bunch of medals for doing that.
01:49:34.000 And so you have this culture of support.
01:49:36.000 You have all these people.
01:49:37.000 Thank you for your service.
01:49:38.000 You know, you have these people that salute you.
01:49:40.000 There's this enabling aspect of this that goes along. 0.97
01:49:44.000 And then you have this bizarre conundrum where this guy is forced into this life where he's not going to have any fucking money. 0.83
01:49:51.000 I mean, he's going to be this guy who's struggling to make ends meet with all sorts of psychological issues. 0.87
01:49:57.000 I'm sure all sorts of physical health issues as well.
01:50:00.000 I mean... 0.99
01:50:01.000 I think Chris Kyle is a disgusting scumbag and I hate him, but I understand that this is systemic of just like a very large problem. 1.00
01:50:08.000 Like there's a problem of empire and when you have a government who's extra judicially assassinating brown people around the world, we should not be surprised that this militarism bleeds in and we have like a culture of empire babies where you have cops going around and killing black people. 1.00
01:50:23.000 You have, you know, military people thinking that they have a license to fucking do whatever they want. 0.98
01:50:27.000 And people themselves going and just shooting a bunch of people in a movie theater or, you know, taking down a bunch of people with them.
01:50:35.000 I really do think it all bleeds from the same problem with American culture when you have, like, a global empire.
01:50:43.000 And a shitload of guns and people who have American exceptionalism and think that they're the best country in the world that can do no wrong and that they're better than everyone else.
01:50:51.000 What does that do to a society?
01:50:54.000 Well, it definitely gives a society a sense of entitlement in some sort of a weird, bizarre way where you ignore all the faults of the people that are on your team and you highlight all the faults of the people on the other team even if they are lesser or equal.
01:51:13.000 Whenever you have a team, whenever you have this team mentality, whether it's the Democrats versus the Republicans, us versus them, East Coast, West Coast, you get this stupid idea that we're not all one, that we're not all one superorganism sharing the earth,
01:51:29.000 which is what human beings are.
01:51:33.000 That philosophy, that way of viewing the world is exactly what keeps wars going.
01:51:38.000 You have to have this team mentality.
01:51:41.000 If you have this abundant resource mentality that really, hey, there's plenty for everybody.
01:51:47.000 The problem is the vast majority of what we're taking out of the earth is being sucked up by a very limited few people that have control of the overwhelming majority of the resources in the world.
01:52:02.000 And they're the ones who are instigating wars.
01:52:05.000 They're the ones who are funding and actively campaigning to get these things going and to make sure that, just like we were talking about with private prisons, they want to keep the business of war booming.
01:52:17.000 The business of war does not want to taper off.
01:52:19.000 The business of war wants to grow like every other business. 0.62
01:52:22.000 And when you have business and profit involved in going to places and shooting things and taking their stuff... 0.93
01:52:32.000 And Halliburton, which fucking Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton, he leaves Halliburton, becomes the vice president, and then Halliburton gets these no-bid contracts to repair places that Cheney is involved in instigating these... 1.00
01:52:47.000 What the fuck, man? 0.99
01:52:49.000 I mean, it can't get any more transparent than that. 1.00
01:52:51.000 That is the business of war in action.
01:52:55.000 The business of this funnel that has figured out how to draw money out of an area and how to filter it into the coffers of all these people that are responsible for all these companies that sell things to the government that are involved in war.
01:53:10.000 And he says, there's a lot.
01:53:12.000 There's a lot going on there.
01:53:13.000 There's a lot of moving pieces.
01:53:14.000 And that's where a guy like Obama steps in, you know, in 2012. You know, this guy steps in, or 2008, this guy steps in, and you get to see this scenario play out where this new entity steps into this machine that's already been established.
01:53:33.000 He has all these ideas in his head about what he's going to do, and then once he actually gets in there, you see what he's really doing.
01:53:40.000 It's just very little.
01:53:41.000 Very little.
01:53:42.000 I mean, very little different.
01:53:43.000 It's really a lot of it is business as usual.
01:53:46.000 And it almost seems like untangling that gigantic profit machine is extremely difficult.
01:53:53.000 And whatever ideals that he might have had as a young man or as a guy who's campaigning to be president with these unique ideas.
01:54:00.000 I'm going to close Guantanamo Bay.
01:54:02.000 I'm going to pull us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. 1.00
01:54:04.000 None of that happened, man.
01:54:05.000 None of it happened.
01:54:06.000 None of it happened.
01:54:07.000 And even talking about pulling out, they're not really gonna pull out.
01:54:10.000 They're gonna pull out and leave behind thousands of troops.
01:54:12.000 Yeah.
01:54:13.000 Like, how are they pulling out?
01:54:14.000 Like, that's not pulling out.
01:54:15.000 Pulling out is no troops.
01:54:17.000 Right.
01:54:17.000 Zero.
01:54:17.000 Yeah.
01:54:18.000 Zero bases, zero troops.
01:54:19.000 Like, gone. 0.98
01:54:20.000 Yeah, that's like saying, I'm gonna pull out when you're having sex, but you still... 0.99
01:54:23.000 And you still impregnate someone.
01:54:24.000 They're like, well, I pulled out, sort of.
01:54:26.000 I only had left the tip in.
01:54:27.000 Still came just a little bit.
01:54:28.000 Yeah.
01:54:28.000 You gotta pull out all the way.
01:54:30.000 Just a little bit. 0.92
01:54:31.000 This is ridiculous. 0.93
01:54:32.000 And another problem with the way things are going now is, like, I think under the Bush administration it was so blatant and in your face and obtuse, and now Obama, you know, there's all this covert warfare going on. 0.94
01:54:41.000 The General of AFRICOM, which is like, who knew that we were at war with Africa, right?
01:54:46.000 Well, apparently there's military operations going on every single day across Africa.
01:54:51.000 United States?
01:54:52.000 Yes.
01:54:53.000 Yes.
01:54:53.000 And they've told, like, a room full of defense contractors, like, we are literally at war with Africa.
01:54:58.000 And this is Africa.
01:55:00.000 Africa the continent?
01:55:01.000 Yes.
01:55:01.000 War with the whole continent?
01:55:02.000 War with the fucking continent. 1.00
01:55:03.000 Is that a first? 1.00
01:55:04.000 That's a first.
01:55:04.000 Because we usually just pick a country.
01:55:07.000 This country sucks. 0.99
01:55:09.000 And amazingly, it all goes together, too, when you look at the global empire and how it all works, like the extraction of resources and all these countries working together in terms of Saudi Arabia and Israel. 0.99
01:55:19.000 And when you look at the drone wars, cobalt Is a mineral that's really essential for the military industrial complex to build machinery and weaponry and cobalt comes from the Congo and when you look at the Congo For the last decade or so,
01:55:35.000 or more than that, there's been like six million people who have died there.
01:55:38.000 There's basically a genocide going on in the Congo, facilitated and protected by the U.S. government.
01:55:43.000 In State Department documents in the late 90s or mid-2000s, they've said that they need to keep Congo unstable, basically.
01:55:51.000 They need to keep this civil war going so that we can secure the cobalt extraction. 1.00
01:55:57.000 It's all fucked, man. 0.99
01:55:58.000 And it all stems back from Wanda, the genocide there, and... 1.00
01:56:02.000 What is cobalt used for?
01:56:06.000 I don't exactly know, but I know primarily something in drones.
01:56:11.000 It's a component in drones.
01:56:12.000 But it just shows you how complicated it is, right?
01:56:15.000 And how many things are tied together with the military-industrial complex.
01:56:18.000 And I really do think it's like an autonomous machine.
01:56:20.000 That if a bunch of these people died, the machine would still thrive on.
01:56:25.000 It would still live on because there's so many components and everyone's compartmentalized in how to Keep the machine going.
01:56:32.000 And so it's like they don't even know.
01:56:34.000 It's just weapons and bombing are the only solutions that they know because that's all that they do know.
01:56:39.000 It's like, of course, building schools and hospitals would actually be way better in the long term for Afghans.
01:56:45.000 Education.
01:56:46.000 If we're going to prop up that girl, Malala or whatever, I think? 0.99
01:57:05.000 Into the Stone Ages and then being like, why are you guys so barbaric? 1.00
01:57:09.000 We need to bomb the shit out of you more. 1.00
01:57:10.000 Why is ISIS here? 1.00
01:57:11.000 I don't know. 0.99
01:57:12.000 Maybe because you bomb the shit out of all of these different religious sects that Saddam was actually had a stranglehold on. 0.95
01:57:18.000 Because at that point in time, the political evolution and climate of the society, they needed a dictator and like some sort of dictatorial rule to keep those factions in line. 0.95
01:57:27.000 That's how the society was functioning.
01:57:28.000 So to just bomb them into oblivion and just be like, we've democratized you.
01:57:33.000 Why is ISIS here now?
01:57:34.000 Like...
01:57:36.000 Any logical human being would look at that region and say, well, of course, that's what's going to happen.
01:57:40.000 Even Cheney, back in 1994, he was giving this interview about the invasion of Iraq because, of course, Bush Sr., we know he wanted to go into Iraq, too.
01:57:48.000 And he was saying we'd never do that because pieces of Iraq would fly off.
01:57:53.000 And he was like, it would be a total disaster.
01:57:54.000 He basically laid out exactly what happened when we did go in there. 0.97
01:57:58.000 These people aren't dumb. 0.89
01:57:59.000 It's almost like ISIS is just an excuse to keep it going. 0.99
01:58:04.000 Jesus.
01:58:05.000 Yeah, it's pretty insane. 0.98
01:58:07.000 Okay, you're really good at pointing out all these things that are fucked up in the world. 0.69
01:58:12.000 But do you have any ideas about how it could be fixed?
01:58:17.000 I think that everything that you said about how we're one human family living on one organism, we have the technological capabilities in front of us.
01:58:27.000 That's why I love what Peter Joseph and the Zeitgeist movement are doing, because they point out the possibilities and the capabilities that we have.
01:58:33.000 The hydroponics, the open source ecology and all of these different movements, you know, decentralized tools online or Bitcoin or This is all happening.
01:58:42.000 People are starting the revolution on their own.
01:58:45.000 But I think that as long as we are ingesting media that makes us scared and keeps pitting us in camps against each other and keeps reinforcing American exceptionalism and also these identities, these false identities and nationalistic tendencies that makes us not have empathy,
01:59:01.000 not extend our empathy from our brothers and sisters in Gaza, our brothers and sisters in Iraq.
01:59:06.000 That needs to be stripped down, first and foremost, because if we keep reinforcing the fact that we're different because we're American and we're white and we were born, we just happen to be born within this nation, we're going to have a really long road ahead of us in terms of how we can really change this because if the system is globalized,
01:59:22.000 the struggle needs to be globalized and so does the consciousness.
01:59:26.000 That's a good point.
01:59:27.000 That's a good way to phrase it.
01:59:28.000 I agree.
01:59:30.000 I think blind nationalism, blind anything, is just unhealthy.
01:59:33.000 It's just not right. 1.00
01:59:34.000 And that's the type of shit that you're going to receive and hate tweets because all the shit you said about Chris Kyle! 1.00
01:59:40.000 Fucking coward! 1.00
01:59:41.000 I got so much hate last time I came on. 1.00
01:59:43.000 About what?
01:59:44.000 A lot of people, I know that you had on Sam Harris also who kind of responded to my whole argument about, you know, Islam and how these things have happened and why, you know, why Palestine is the way it is and Sam Harris, his whole thing is why he doesn't criticize Israel.
01:59:59.000 I got a lot of hate from people who said that I just, they just didn't agree with me because it's controversial.
02:00:04.000 But I totally disagree with Sam Harris in this new atheism movement.
02:00:09.000 Reinforcing the American exceptionalism in the Empire and imperialism.
02:00:13.000 I mean, it's unbelievable that someone like him and Richard Dawkins can get out there and say, all that matters is your pure moral intentions. 0.99
02:00:23.000 Islam is so fucked up that even if Islam kills a million people and the US government and Western imperialism kills a billion, Islam is still worse because our intentions were pure. 1.00
02:00:35.000 We have the moral imposition. 1.00
02:00:36.000 I don't think he's saying that.
02:00:38.000 I literally heard him say that in response to something about Noam Chomsky.
02:00:41.000 Maybe he didn't mean it.
02:00:42.000 Maybe I didn't hear the full context of what he was saying.
02:00:44.000 But it sounded really just completely unfounded.
02:00:46.000 He's a very, very measured guy.
02:00:48.000 And he's a friend.
02:00:50.000 And one of his takes on religion is simply that...
02:00:54.000 If I could speak for him, the way he looks at Islam, the real underlying issue with any overwhelming philosophy or ideology is what are their core principles? 0.93
02:01:09.000 And one of the core principles of Islam is If you leave, you're supposed to be killed. 0.99
02:01:15.000 If you're apostate, you're supposed to be killed. 1.00
02:01:16.000 If you commit adultery, if you commit homosexuality, if you look at these things, like in the religious doctrine, like in the Quran, how it's addressed, the fundamental rules of this ideology, 0.97
02:01:32.000 it's very divisive, and it's very strong, and it's very clearly stated.
02:01:39.000 Really, how come so many more billions of people are not getting killed?
02:01:42.000 What do you mean?
02:01:43.000 There's a billion and I think it's like one sixth or one fifth of the world's population is Muslim. 0.93
02:01:48.000 So shouldn't we be seeing a lot more just completely like barbarism and terrorism and death and destruction from Muslims if that's really what the entire Muslim religion is about? 1.00
02:01:59.000 Well, I'm not even saying that he's saying the entire religion is about that or denying even that there are some moderate factions of the religion.
02:02:07.000 But I think as a neuroscientist, his point of view is on ideologies and cult thinking and dangerous philosophical trends, like dangerous trends of behavior, like jihadists,
02:02:22.000 like ISIS, like things along those lines.
02:02:26.000 Not denying the origins of The reason why they're so upset in the first place, the conflict that's brought them to this position, or even the fact that they may have been funded.
02:02:37.000 Okay, because I don't ever hear him talk about that.
02:02:37.000 I don't ever hear him talk about that.
02:02:38.000 You'd have to have a conversation with him specifically about it, like, in a debate, which would be kind of interesting, because you're a very fiery young lady.
02:02:45.000 Look at you, Ernie.
02:02:46.000 It'd be interesting.
02:02:49.000 He's played some pretty fascinating videos.
02:02:52.000 He put one of them up on his site about this guy, and they were speaking from this large group of Muslims.
02:02:59.000 And one of the things he was saying was that everyone wants to say this is radical Islam, these ideas of radical Islam.
02:03:06.000 But he said, this guy in this video was talking about if someone says that Whatever punishment that should be deemed out for anything.
02:03:22.000 Whatever the punishment that is in the Quran is the best possible punishment because it is from Allah.
02:03:29.000 And do you guys agree with this?
02:03:30.000 And they would say yes. 0.81
02:03:31.000 Like, the way they treat homosexuals, is this radical Islam or is this Islam? 0.87
02:03:36.000 And they would all agree with it. 0.99
02:03:38.000 Like, if this is deemed by Allah that you should be stoned to death for adultery, there cannot be a better way to deal with this.
02:03:46.000 And I think when you get down to the core philosophy, could you imagine If we were seeing that spread across the country with Christianity. 0.69
02:03:55.000 I mean, there are certainly some radical forms of Christianity.
02:03:57.000 I mean, let's, like, we're labeling things, just all ideologies across the board, whether it's Catholicism or Baptism or Scientology or any pattern that you are expected to follow very rigorously and very, very strictly.
02:04:14.000 When you start applying those patterns to the real world and inside those patterns, it includes Death for things like adultery, death for things like homosexuality, very strict, rigid rules like you were describing. 0.54
02:04:29.000 In Saudi Arabia.
02:04:31.000 Yeah.
02:04:32.000 Here's the missing element of that whole argument is that religions evolve.
02:04:39.000 Yeah.
02:04:59.000 Religions evolve. 0.86
02:05:00.000 What did Christianity... 0.94
02:05:02.000 Did we used to stone people?
02:05:03.000 Did we burn people to stay?
02:05:04.000 I mean, all of these religions have evolved over the millennia.
02:05:08.000 And I think when you're looking at Islam, we have to give it room to grow and evolve without... 1.00
02:05:12.000 And it's really hard to look with such harsh judgment and single out Islam in terms of the rest of the religions when... 0.97
02:05:20.000 There's been so much military intervention in this region of the world and that has reinforced religion because a lot of times people, you know, people in Gaza or Iraq or Syria, I mean, their prayer is the only thing that they have to keep them going when you have fucking nothing. 0.98
02:05:36.000 Right. 0.78
02:05:37.000 So it's a little bit hard.
02:05:38.000 I didn't mean to come down on Sam Harris.
02:05:40.000 I just disagree with him.
02:05:41.000 And a lot of people for some reason were like telling me that I needed to get schooled.
02:05:47.000 You need to get schooled by Sam Harris.
02:05:50.000 Well, you know, I don't think either one of you are wrong.
02:05:52.000 I think your point of view and his point of view, although they're very different, having a conversation like this in third-party form, or not even having a conversation, but disagreeing on points like that, you really have to sit down with someone.
02:06:06.000 There's a lot of people that I've gotten to disagreements with, whether it's online or in reality, or in real life.
02:06:14.000 Where I think if you had the time to discuss and sit down and talk about, like, what do you think about this and why do you think about that?
02:06:21.000 And it's a long-form conversation.
02:06:23.000 I mean, that's a long conversation.
02:06:24.000 It's not something to be, like, sniped back and forth from blog entry to blog entry.
02:06:29.000 Or Twitter is the worst example of it.
02:06:30.000 140 characters. 0.99
02:06:31.000 Like, good fucking luck. 0.99
02:06:32.000 Right. 0.97
02:06:33.000 I think there's a lot of middle ground there and a lot of ways to look at his point of view and a lot of ways certainly to look at your point of view, which I very much respect.
02:06:43.000 It's just I think there's both.
02:06:45.000 There's certainly a lot of legitimate arguments to the fact that we have fucked up the Middle East almost Unfixably. 1.00
02:06:54.000 We have like ruined lives to the point where you're talking about if the new figures of two million people in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's the new figure. 1.00
02:07:04.000 That's just the people that are dead, man.
02:07:07.000 What about their families?
02:07:08.000 What about the people that knew them and loved them?
02:07:09.000 What about their friends?
02:07:10.000 What about their neighbors?
02:07:12.000 You're talking about just generation after generation after generation of hate and pain and suffering.
02:07:19.000 And I don't know how you engineer that away.
02:07:22.000 I don't think it's possible. 0.98
02:07:23.000 Even with philanthropic missions and building schools and helping people, you're not going to take away the sting of someone's baby getting blown up by a fucking drone. 0.93
02:07:36.000 I mean, I just don't know how you erase that. 0.95
02:07:38.000 I think it needs to start with stopping.
02:07:40.000 Stopping all the...
02:07:41.000 And this is what I asked that Saudi scholar.
02:07:44.000 I was like, how can we, and I always come from this angle, like, how can we help the people and their sovereignty without supporting disastrous military intervention?
02:07:51.000 He was like, we don't need your help.
02:07:54.000 He was like, this is what you guys need to understand.
02:07:55.000 We do not need your help.
02:07:57.000 What we need you to do is stop supporting oppressive monarchies and dictators.
02:08:02.000 That's what we need you to do.
02:08:04.000 We don't need you to help us because freedom cannot be given and liberty cannot be given.
02:08:08.000 It can only be one.
02:08:09.000 And we need to do that for ourselves.
02:08:10.000 But we can't do it with your backing of these like crazy oppressive systems.
02:08:17.000 I think it's also there's a philosophy of keep throwing bombs at the problem until it's fixed.
02:08:26.000 Like you bomb people and then the people that are angry that you bombed and then they come after you.
02:08:32.000 You gotta just bomb more. 1.00
02:08:33.000 You gotta shoot more people. 1.00
02:08:35.000 So the angry people are dead. 0.99
02:08:37.000 So all the people who lost family because of this as well, they're dead too.
02:08:41.000 So there's no one left that has any connection to it.
02:08:44.000 And those are the people that'll be the new citizens of the new Iraq. 0.99
02:08:49.000 It's like state-sanctioned genocide in a lot of ways if you look at it that way.
02:08:53.000 And it's hard to...
02:08:58.000 It's hard to rationalize, in any other way, the idea of killing a million people.
02:09:04.000 How else did it get done? 0.55
02:09:06.000 I mean, if that's not what you're doing, if you're not killing the...
02:09:09.000 Was there a million army people?
02:09:11.000 No.
02:09:12.000 So how is a million people getting killed?
02:09:14.000 Well, you're killing people, and then you're killing extra people, and then there's people that are mad that you killed those extra people, and they're coming after you, and you're killing them, too.
02:09:22.000 And then it just keeps going on and on and on and on.
02:09:24.000 It becomes this vicious cycle, especially when you're invading.
02:09:27.000 You're invading foreign countries. 0.99
02:09:29.000 I mean, can you imagine the fucking shitstorm if someone tried to park boats off of our shore and invade the motherland, the soil that Chris Kyle protected? 0.99
02:09:40.000 I mean, could you imagine? 0.99
02:09:42.000 Chris Kyle, by the way, get ready for some Chris Kyle tweets, young Abby Martin.
02:09:45.000 They're coming your way.
02:09:46.000 People got mad at me, and I didn't say anything about him other than the fact that what he said in his book wasn't truthful.
02:09:54.000 Never said a negative word about the guy, didn't see the movie, don't know much about him other than the numbers of people that he killed, and people were so mad at me.
02:10:02.000 Especially in the hunting community.
02:10:04.000 The hunting community has blind reverence for Chris Kyle.
02:10:07.000 They do.
02:10:08.000 Well, I'm not impressed with people who just snipe a bunch of innocent people.
02:10:12.000 So, what are you gonna do?
02:10:13.000 They might not have been innocent.
02:10:14.000 I don't know.
02:10:15.000 I don't know.
02:10:16.000 I don't have a direct account of all the people that he shot in the head.
02:10:19.000 I'm sure the dogs he beat were guilty of something, too.
02:10:22.000 They were bad dogs.
02:10:23.000 That's what I heard. 0.98
02:10:23.000 I heard those dogs hated America. 0.98
02:10:25.000 He beat dogs?
02:10:27.000 Yeah, he like brags about beating animals.
02:10:29.000 So if people want to defend Chris Kyle to me, that's fine.
02:10:31.000 You should just sit and look in a mirror and ask yourself, why?
02:10:35.000 Because America.
02:10:36.000 That should be a shirt.
02:10:37.000 Because America.
02:10:39.000 Yeah, it's just the same people who look at me and they're like, you're a Russian propagandist.
02:10:42.000 It's like, I can't even...
02:10:43.000 Where do we start?
02:10:44.000 I mean, do we want to really waste our time here?
02:10:47.000 Are you a leftist?
02:10:49.000 Are you lefty?
02:10:50.000 Because you were talking about capitalism earlier.
02:10:52.000 You said right away you're going to argue.
02:10:55.000 Yeah.
02:10:56.000 But I'm not really a righty.
02:10:58.000 So I think capitalism has completely failed us in the corporatism.
02:11:03.000 But then you have all these people who are like, this is not true capitalism, right?
02:11:06.000 And we can do better.
02:11:07.000 Well, to me, this is what the beast of capitalism turns into.
02:11:11.000 This is like the inevitable outcome of capitalism when you leave it unhinged and people say we need less government.
02:11:17.000 To me, that doesn't make sense because that's how we got here in the first place is like letting down all these barriers and having this ancestral relationship between the industry and government sector.
02:11:27.000 So I don't I don't know.
02:11:30.000 I don't endorse any sort of like alternative economic system.
02:11:33.000 I just think that we can do a shitload better.
02:11:35.000 And we have to, otherwise we're going to die.
02:11:39.000 I'm sorry to sound like Chris Hedges here, but I mean, we need some sort of massive shift.
02:11:43.000 I think everyone knows deep down that unfettered capitalism cannot and will not last.
02:11:48.000 And every empire falls.
02:11:49.000 And if we don't do something fast to save the planet, then we're going to be kind of screwed.
02:11:56.000 What's the alternative to capitalism?
02:11:58.000 That's the problem.
02:11:59.000 I don't like when people put you in a box and say, you need to explain to me a complete alternative, otherwise we just can't.
02:12:07.000 There's no discussion.
02:12:07.000 I think that we can do better.
02:12:09.000 We have the brains, we have the mind power, we have the smartest people in the world. 1.00
02:12:13.000 They're going to do a fucking head transplant, for God's sake. 1.00
02:12:16.000 That's where we're at now. 1.00
02:12:17.000 In Russia, by the way.
02:12:18.000 Elon Musk wants to create an internet in space that will provide free internet for everyone on the planet.
02:12:26.000 In every remote corner of the earth.
02:12:27.000 These are the things that we can do.
02:12:29.000 We can mine Mars.
02:12:30.000 We can do these things now.
02:12:33.000 So don't tell me that capitalism in the form that it is now is the best that we can do. 0.97
02:12:37.000 I don't fucking believe it. 0.87
02:12:38.000 That's kind of a straw, man, because no one's saying that. 0.99
02:12:40.000 No one's saying that capitalism in this form right now is the best.
02:12:44.000 They're saying that capitalism is the best and that we just need to fix it.
02:12:47.000 How?
02:12:48.000 But I'm not arguing with you with that.
02:12:50.000 I'm just saying, like, what do you think can be done?
02:12:54.000 I'm not saying that you have to have a solution, but I'm saying if you have an argument that you think capitalism is inherently unfixable, broken, evil, fill in the blank, what could be done?
02:13:07.000 What could be done differently?
02:13:09.000 Well, I think that we need some sort of actual democratic kind of cooperative governance locally, where people are actually invested in like a cooperative level, which is actually what democracy should be.
02:13:23.000 That is actual democracy in its truest form.
02:13:26.000 And a lot of what Marx wrote is like that.
02:13:29.000 Unfortunately, I hate that we're just put in these two camps where it's like either you're communist or capitalist.
02:13:34.000 No, I see good in both.
02:13:36.000 And I think that a lot of European countries have done it right, where they incorporate a lot of social aspects into their society.
02:13:42.000 And people who want to shit all over like socialism, I mean, we have libraries, firemen, like these are all socialist aspects of our country right now.
02:13:51.000 Schools, public education. 0.96
02:13:53.000 So I think that it's been a scary and vilified word for no reason.
02:13:57.000 And I think that we need to really grow up and understand how we can incorporate aspects of both to really benefit society until we can figure out maybe what's next.
02:14:06.000 Right now, we have a country where people applaud politicians who say that we're not going to give you healthcare, that we want no government, that we want to give more power to the market.
02:14:16.000 I just see a lot of problems with that because I just feel like that's why we have a lot of the issues that we have today.
02:14:22.000 A lot of European countries have free healthcare in college and I totally support that because Being unemployed for the little time that I have and I looked into Obamacare thinking that it was gonna be like really cheap.
02:14:33.000 It's $250 is the cheapest plan.
02:14:35.000 I can't even afford that right now.
02:14:37.000 $250 a month?
02:14:38.000 Yeah.
02:14:39.000 That's the cheapest plan?
02:14:40.000 That's the cheapest plan.
02:14:42.000 I thought it was supposed to be free.
02:14:43.000 That's what I, no.
02:14:45.000 What?
02:14:46.000 Costs money?
02:14:47.000 Yes. 1.00
02:14:48.000 We got fucked. 1.00
02:14:48.000 Right. 1.00
02:14:49.000 We got fucked with that Obamacare shit, huh? 1.00
02:14:51.000 I don't know a single person that really likes it. 1.00
02:14:53.000 No, it's awful.
02:14:54.000 It's like, it's just the insurance companies just wrote a bill, basically, and now we have to buy healthcare.
02:14:59.000 Yeah, it's like, instead of giving everyone free healthcare, you have to buy healthcare.
02:15:04.000 That's what it seems to me.
02:15:05.000 That's insane.
02:15:05.000 That's what it is.
02:15:06.000 That's exactly what it is.
02:15:06.000 I've never heard anybody argue successfully that it's a good plan.
02:15:09.000 No.
02:15:09.000 I've heard people argue that, well, it needs to evolve and change, and it's good in principle.
02:15:14.000 You know what's good in principle?
02:15:16.000 Socialized medicine at least as a an available thing for everyone I mean if you want like elective procedures, you know if you want a boob job or something like that Yeah, you should be you should be able to buy that if you have a doctor that has you know some Extreme ability to fix knees or something like that and it costs a lot of money to do his stuff and Insurance doesn't cover it,
02:15:40.000 but he charges more money.
02:15:41.000 Yeah, that makes sense but but The idea that you could go into debt because you get hurt or sick, and you might not ever be able to come out of that, and that our government doesn't look at that as being one of the primary objectives of a government, of a leading group of human beings that are supposed to be in charge of allocating resources.
02:16:03.000 Taking care of education and taking care of health.
02:16:05.000 Those are the two primaries.
02:16:06.000 Food, education, health.
02:16:09.000 Those should be the primaries.
02:16:11.000 Of course firemen, of course all the things that are police, all the things that are already established as being things that we pay for, that the state pays for, those things should be there as well.
02:16:20.000 But the idea that healthcare wouldn't be in that group, it seems barbaric.
02:16:25.000 It seems rude.
02:16:27.000 It seems also incredibly debilitating to poor people.
02:16:32.000 Yeah, no, and that's exactly who it affects.
02:16:34.000 And I'm not going to sit here and praise Cuba, but I did go there and did a bunch of reports about Cuba.
02:16:40.000 And yes, it's communist.
02:16:42.000 Yes, it has a lot of problems and they don't claim to be the best system, but their health care and their altruism in terms of like fighting like epidemics worldwide.
02:16:52.000 Cuba was on the front lines of after the Haiti earthquake.
02:16:54.000 They sent the largest contingent of doctors to Haiti.
02:16:57.000 They sent the largest contingent of doctors to Liberia to fight Ebola.
02:17:02.000 They have put...
02:17:03.000 Their values are different.
02:17:06.000 I mean, their values are to take care of, like, healthcare as a human right and shelter as a human right.
02:17:11.000 And so that's why you have, like, such low crime rates in Cuba, too, because when everyone has basic needs, shelter...
02:17:18.000 Healthcare.
02:17:19.000 I mean, what does that do to a society?
02:17:21.000 There's a lot of problems in Cuba.
02:17:22.000 I'm not saying that's the answer.
02:17:23.000 I'm just saying it's interesting to see countries do it differently and see how it affects other people.
02:17:29.000 You know, and then you have America, this hegemonic force that basically thrives on making money off killing people.
02:17:37.000 And Cuba, you know, sells doctors.
02:17:40.000 That's their biggest export is doctors.
02:17:42.000 Ours are guns.
02:17:44.000 That's our biggest export?
02:17:46.000 Really?
02:17:47.000 Yep.
02:17:47.000 I thought it was like corn.
02:17:48.000 Nope.
02:17:49.000 You would think so.
02:17:50.000 Really?
02:17:50.000 We send more guns to other places than anything?
02:17:53.000 We're the biggest exporter of arms in the world.
02:17:54.000 Again, because America.
02:17:57.000 That's a shirt.
02:17:59.000 Biggest exporter of arms in the world because America.
02:18:02.000 It's just amazing.
02:18:03.000 I mean, if Cuba can do this being economically crippled under blockade, what can we do?
02:18:07.000 What can the richest country in the world do?
02:18:08.000 Not only for our people, but for the world instead of just killing people.
02:18:12.000 It's unbelievable.
02:18:13.000 Well, talking about it helps, right?
02:18:15.000 I mean, doesn't it enlighten young people, stimulate ideas, get people thinking about the problems?
02:18:22.000 There's a benefit to this type of conversation that people oftentimes criticize.
02:18:28.000 Well, you guys aren't doing anything.
02:18:29.000 You're just talking about it.
02:18:30.000 Why don't you do something about it?
02:18:32.000 Now that you're not at RT, what are you going to do?
02:18:34.000 So I'm doing work for Media Roots, which is my website.
02:18:37.000 I'm in talks with two different show ideas right now.
02:18:40.000 A lot of great things on the horizon.
02:18:43.000 By September, I should have another show up and running for a network that I won't say anything yet, because in case it doesn't happen, I don't want to make any declarations, but definitely not going away.
02:18:52.000 Media Roots thing.
02:18:53.000 What do you do at Media Roots?
02:18:55.000 So Media Roots, it's a citizen journalism project that I started, and that's how RT found me through Occupy Oakland coverage, but it's just a multimedia forum that I have a hub of censored information that I've collected over the years, and now I'm doing podcasts on there.
02:19:09.000 The Abby Martin Experience.
02:19:10.000 No, just kidding.
02:19:11.000 Why not?
02:19:12.000 It's a good name. 0.63
02:19:13.000 Just biting you. 1.00
02:19:15.000 How about just call it Fuck Chris Kyle? 1.00
02:19:17.000 Amazing. 1.00
02:19:22.000 Imagine if you had a podcast and you called it that.
02:19:24.000 That'd be really good. 1.00
02:19:25.000 Holy shit. 1.00
02:19:26.000 Talk about clickbait. 1.00
02:19:27.000 Yeah.
02:19:28.000 And definitely leave a comment section.
02:19:31.000 Right.
02:19:32.000 I've never got, yeah, the Chris Kyle fans are...
02:19:35.000 People who, when I've made fun of Bill Cosby, people get really pissed off too.
02:19:39.000 It's Bill Cosby and Chris Kyle fans get real upset.
02:19:44.000 Well, as much as Chris Kyle or less?
02:19:48.000 Less, but still very, like, upset for some reason.
02:19:52.000 See, you never made fun of Chris Kyle on this podcast before, though.
02:19:55.000 This is gonna get ugly. 0.99
02:19:56.000 This is gonna open up that can of whoop ass. 1.00
02:19:59.000 I'm gonna get ahold of this leftist girl and let her know what I think. 0.98
02:20:04.000 I think we need to get rid of these divisive labels.
02:20:07.000 Left, right, Democrat, Republican.
02:20:09.000 Do not put yourself in a camp.
02:20:10.000 Do not capitulate your values to endorse people that you don't wholeheartedly agree with.
02:20:15.000 We have other parties.
02:20:16.000 We have local referendums.
02:20:18.000 That's where things are happening on a local level.
02:20:20.000 So as much as there's this fascist takeover on the federal level, People get it.
02:20:25.000 They're voting for same-sex marriage.
02:20:26.000 They're voting for marijuana legalization. 1.00
02:20:28.000 They're voting to repeal shit like civil asset forfeiture. 0.98
02:20:31.000 All of these things will only happen locally. 0.97
02:20:33.000 And if the DOJ or federal government wants to, you know, usurp people's rights, then at least it will be really obvious where they have to say, like, we don't care what you voted for.
02:20:40.000 We're going to do this anyway.
02:20:41.000 Then at least it'll be like completely obvious that there's like a coup that happened.
02:20:45.000 But right now we can do all these things on a local level.
02:20:48.000 And it's also the seismic sustainable shifts.
02:20:51.000 Agriculturally, like all of these things, the organics residence, labeling, these things can all be done locally.
02:20:58.000 Unfortunately, if the Trans-Pacific Partnership passes, then corporations will have the right to sue actual nations and overturned laws that we pass.
02:21:08.000 Did you hear about this?
02:21:09.000 What?
02:21:09.000 So there's another trade deal coming, and Obama's trying to fast-track it through Congress, which is like he's going to bypass the congressional vote.
02:21:17.000 So we know how fucked up NAFTA and TAFTA and all this shit was. 0.99
02:21:21.000 Like, disastrous, right? 1.00
02:21:23.000 Has just exacerbated poverty and crime across the borders.
02:21:26.000 So now the Trans-Pacific Partnership, it's like this Asian-Pacific trade deal between 12... 0.79
02:21:32.000 Pacific Island nations, including the United States.
02:21:34.000 And what it's going to do is create an international court tribunal full of lawyers and corporate CEOs and lobbyists.
02:21:42.000 The public has not had any sort of like...
02:21:44.000 We have not seen the text.
02:21:46.000 The only text that has been released is through WikiLeaks of people leaking these documents.
02:21:49.000 And it looks really bad.
02:21:50.000 And what the court tribunal is going to do is basically give corporations the right to sue governments.
02:21:56.000 So let's say...
02:21:57.000 The United States finally passes a labeling law and we just want to label GMOs or something.
02:22:02.000 Something to do with food or some sort of intellectual property rights law.
02:22:06.000 They can just say, you know, you're hurting our profits.
02:22:09.000 Monsanto's profits are being hurt by the labeling law, so we're going to go ahead and overturn that.
02:22:13.000 And a lot of people are calling it a corporate coup d'etat because it's done with completely no oversight.
02:22:18.000 There's no public input to this.
02:22:21.000 And Obama's trying to pass it through.
02:22:23.000 And every time he gives a speech about it, he just very briefly mentions this trade deal.
02:22:27.000 And you're like, this is probably the biggest thing going on right now that no one is talking about.
02:22:32.000 And it goes back to the corporate media structure.
02:22:34.000 Because why would they want to talk about something that all of their benefactors are involved in? 1.00
02:22:39.000 It's really scary shit. 1.00
02:22:41.000 That's crazy. 1.00
02:22:42.000 If it's really as simple as that, that is crazy.
02:22:46.000 Yeah, one of the whole chapters, and it's gonna be like, it's gonna send more American jobs overseas.
02:22:50.000 It's gonna make medicine costs higher. 0.79
02:22:52.000 It's like every single thing is gonna be fucked up through this bill. 0.72
02:22:55.000 Intellectual property rights. 0.91
02:22:56.000 Remember SOPA, the Stop Online Piracy Act?
02:22:59.000 It was like this huge thing.
02:23:00.000 Aaron Swartz, before he died, was just like, this is terrible.
02:23:02.000 He was on the front lines to defeat it.
02:23:04.000 TPP has a whole chapter on intellectual property rights that basically would employ the worst aspects of SOPA, just blankly.
02:23:12.000 So now Hollywood, the industries are getting behind TPP, wanting to pass it through because of that chapter.
02:23:16.000 It's a mess.
02:23:18.000 And there's no debate.
02:23:19.000 Like, no one knows about this.
02:23:21.000 It's awful.
02:23:22.000 When is this supposed to be fast-tracked through?
02:23:25.000 It's like gonna get fast-tracked through soon.
02:23:28.000 Yeah.
02:23:29.000 Trans-Pacific Partnership.
02:23:31.000 Largest trade agreement in American history.
02:23:33.000 Jesus Christ.
02:23:34.000 Yeah, it's bad.
02:23:35.000 Oh, wow, look it.
02:23:37.000 An example is the opposite.
02:23:38.000 Oh, I thought I said Chris Christie.
02:23:39.000 I was like going back full circle.
02:23:41.000 What is Chris Christie's role in this? 0.99
02:23:44.000 Yeah, he's fast-tracking donuts to his fat face.
02:23:51.000 Yeah, look, the biggest problem, the public doesn't know what's in the TPP. The text negotiated in secret hasn't been released.
02:23:56.000 WikiLeaks provided a sample.
02:23:57.000 It's unbelievable.
02:23:58.000 I mean, it just takes globalization to a whole new level. 0.99
02:24:02.000 Damn it, Abby Martin. 0.99
02:24:03.000 I hate to end on a bummer. 0.99
02:24:05.000 Oh, I'm so sorry.
02:24:05.000 Are we over?
02:24:06.000 Yeah.
02:24:07.000 Man.
02:24:07.000 Is there anything positive we can talk about before you leave?
02:24:10.000 Yeah, I'm having an art show this Friday in Ventura.
02:24:13.000 There we go.
02:24:14.000 Art show in Ventura.
02:24:15.000 Art show in Ventura.
02:24:16.000 And this is an example of your art.
02:24:19.000 Oh, awesome.
02:24:20.000 People can get a zoom in on that.
02:24:22.000 Can you zoom in on that, Jamie?
02:24:24.000 Where did I put it?
02:24:24.000 Hold on.
02:24:25.000 Is that good?
02:24:26.000 This is something that Abby Martin gave me from the studio.
02:24:29.000 Yeah, check it out.
02:24:30.000 It's at a place called The Lab.
02:24:31.000 Check it out in Ventura.
02:24:32.000 I think that the positive takeaway is that there's so many people who are like-minded out there, and we just gotta free our minds, open our consciousness, do art, do music, get creative, put your voice out there, don't live in fear of the NSA. Stop getting disillusioned and disempowered from the federal government's ineptitude and criminality and just live true,
02:24:55.000 be true. 0.98
02:24:56.000 Find the like minds in your area because they're out there and it empowers you and it also motivates you to do shit locally. 0.97
02:25:01.000 That's at least how I feel. 0.95
02:25:03.000 I feel like we're so detached from each other in our technological society.
02:25:07.000 Everyone's on their phones.
02:25:08.000 No one talks to each other at the market.
02:25:09.000 But I think that if you did, you'd find out that a lot of people think like you.
02:25:14.000 You can get on the same page. 0.99
02:25:15.000 You can make shit happen, man. 0.98
02:25:17.000 I think a lot of us feel like we're kind of trapped in this big gigantic system that we don't really have a voice. 0.99
02:25:23.000 We don't really have a say.
02:25:24.000 But when enough like-minded people get together, then you do have a say.
02:25:28.000 And that's never been more evident than today.
02:25:31.000 Never been more evident as far as the impact.
02:25:34.000 Remember when we were going to go into Syria?
02:25:36.000 And then Obama had that big speech and, you know, essentially, like, it's on. 1.00
02:25:41.000 And then the entire country went, fuck that! 1.00
02:25:44.000 And then it stopped. 1.00
02:25:46.000 All the rumbling stopped.
02:25:47.000 And coincidentally, that's when the ISIS activity picked up, right afterwards.
02:25:51.000 And then all of a sudden, we have this real issue with ISIS that was also involved in Syria.
02:25:57.000 And see, we told you, these guys are bad.
02:25:59.000 I think...
02:26:00.000 What you're saying is like total hippie talk and a lot of people are gonna get really mad at you for it, but you're right in a lot of ways I mean this is just life it doesn't last that long and we're caught up in the lives of Millions of people that have been lived before us and the momentum of all these shitty decisions and all these bad choices and and really corrupt ideas that have sort of facilitated The system that's in place right now,
02:26:28.000 it's almost like we're born into this system that we don't have any control over.
02:26:32.000 You just gotta hone in on your passion and what speaks most to you.
02:26:35.000 And you can't, I mean, you can't just live in constant misery of just how depressing the world is and how fucked up everything is because we are winning the information war.
02:26:44.000 There is a global consciousness shift going on that is completely obvious and you're either a part of it or you're not.
02:26:50.000 You know, I wonder sometimes when I think about America, because America has been around for just such a blip, when you think about human history.
02:26:58.000 Human history has been around for a blip in terms of world history, but the United States is the real blip.
02:27:03.000 I mean, 1776? 0.99
02:27:05.000 That's a fucking joke. 0.99
02:27:06.000 That's a couple hundred years ago. 1.00
02:27:08.000 That ain't shit. 0.98
02:27:08.000 I mean, that's amazing how short of a time that is. 0.98
02:27:12.000 And in that time an entirely new nation has arisen and I always wonder like is there ever gonna come a point in time where people were like fuck this place and they do it in mass the same way they came to the new world You know, I wonder if like my family all came from immigrants my grandparents on both sides came from other countries Mostly Italy, 0.57
02:27:35.000 but a little bit of Ireland, too. 0.98
02:27:36.000 And it's because it sucked over there. 1.00
02:27:38.000 And they took a chance in moving to another fucking land. 0.99
02:27:42.000 And I always wonder, is it possible that in our lifetime or several lifetimes from now, whenever it is, that we find a spot and we all get together and go, you know what? 1.00
02:27:52.000 Fuck this. 1.00
02:27:53.000 You can't keep living like this. 1.00
02:27:55.000 And maybe if we do, we or they, the people do, it's going to be the same thing that happened when the British tried to take back America, when we had the Revolutionary War.
02:28:08.000 It almost seems like that's the only way things are ever gonna change in terms of like the way America was so radically different than the countries that we departed from.
02:28:19.000 The countries that people immigrated from and came to America and the founding fathers of our country tried to establish this ideal environment, wrote the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, tried to make laws and rules that made sense, that taking into account all the errors of the past and all of the shit that they didn't want to deal with with Europe and with England create some sort of a new establishment some sort of a new Nation and I wonder if
02:28:49.000 it's too late to do that again I don't think it is, and I think that it's unfortunate that you have politicians now on the backs of the ashes of the monarchy that we rose out of.
02:28:59.000 Now you have these politicians protecting the last bastion of absolute monarchies in the world, which is these Gulf states.
02:29:04.000 I think that once we realize that money is not What really makes us happy.
02:29:11.000 And unfortunately, I just think a lot of people still don't understand that.
02:29:16.000 It's really drilled into us with the materialistic society that we live in.
02:29:19.000 But if people would understand that happiness comes from something much deeper, and that's why people in absolute destitute poverty can be happier than the richest person in the world.
02:29:30.000 Well, they say Mexico is one of the happiest countries in the world, but yet one of the poorest countries in the world.
02:29:36.000 And if you go to Mexico, it's such a laid-back sort of environment.
02:29:40.000 I mean, everybody has this idea of Mexico based on the border states and the border cities and the drug war, which is because of America. 0.98
02:29:50.000 That's because of our fucking insatiable desire for coke. 0.96
02:29:53.000 Oh, they already have a shirt, because America, that's why. 0.99
02:29:57.000 That's incredible.
02:29:58.000 That's amazing.
02:29:58.000 The shirt already exists.
02:30:00.000 Hmm, of course.
02:30:01.000 Of course it exists.
02:30:02.000 Why would I think it didn't exist?
02:30:03.000 Right, absolutely.
02:30:04.000 There's probably one that says, because Chris Kyle, America, that's the way, too.
02:30:08.000 Well, that's coming.
02:30:09.000 It's going to be your face on it.
02:30:11.000 I wanted to talk more about this Cold War stuff, but we'll have to do that next time.
02:30:15.000 Hopefully we can hold off on going to war with Russia in the meantime. 0.67
02:30:19.000 Do you think we will?
02:30:20.000 Do you really think we're in danger of going to war with Russia?
02:30:23.000 I think that you have a lot of...
02:30:25.000 There's war hawks that are on that side of the aisle who now want to shift the conversation to really aggressive posturing with Russia.
02:30:33.000 It's very obvious.
02:30:34.000 The Middle East is already destroyed and now Russia and China are the next big prizes. 1.00
02:30:38.000 I think that they're very threatened by Russia, even though I don't know why, because Russia is not a really big, strong economic force.
02:30:45.000 But I think it also perpetuates that enemy, right? 0.91
02:30:47.000 To have an enemy to keep the military industrial complex churning, to keep this kind of like Cold War bullshit going.
02:30:53.000 So people live in fear and there's nothing the establishment fears more than a populace not living in fear. 0.97
02:30:59.000 Powerful lefty.
02:31:00.000 Powerful lefty Abby Martin. 1.00
02:31:02.000 Down with war, man.
02:31:04.000 War is bad. 0.70
02:31:05.000 War is bad. 0.70
02:31:06.000 Let's do art.
02:31:07.000 War is bad. 0.70
02:31:08.000 Let's do art and hug it out. 0.99
02:31:09.000 Everyone check it out, abbymartin.org, and check out my brother's documentary called American Anthrax if you want to learn more about the whole anthrax shit. 0.97
02:31:16.000 And send all your love, not your hate, to Abby Martin on Twitter. 0.98
02:31:21.000 If you hate, just don't say anything.
02:31:24.000 Only if you hate Chris Kyle.
02:31:25.000 Just keep...
02:31:29.000 How dare you?
02:31:30.000 Thank you.
02:31:31.000 Abby, it's always awesome talking to you.
02:31:32.000 I really appreciate it.
02:31:33.000 It's always fun.
02:31:34.000 Let's do it more often.
02:31:34.000 Yeah, absolutely, man.
02:31:35.000 Now that you're free from the Russian shackles. 1.00
02:31:37.000 All right.
02:31:37.000 We'll be back at 6 o'clock with Jim Norton.
02:31:40.000 And that's it.
02:31:42.000 See you soon.
02:31:42.000 Bye-bye.
02:31:43.000 Peace.