The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #645 - Joe Schilling

00:00:01.000 Alright, ladies and gentlemen, tomorrow, live on Spike TV, is Glory World Series.

00:00:07.000 With me, my man, Joe Schilling, Last Minute Edition. 0.99

00:00:10.000 I want to talk to you about some shit, dude. 0.99

00:00:12.000 Let's talk. 1.00

00:00:12.000 Because I was working out in my gym yesterday, dying, okay? 1.00

00:00:16.000 All I'm doing is hitting pads.

00:00:18.000 No one's hitting me back. 0.98

00:00:19.000 I'm fucking exhausted. 0.97

00:00:20.000 And what I like to do when I'm working out is I like to put fights on for motivation. 0.97

00:00:24.000 And I'm watching you...

00:00:26.000 And you're fighting in the last man standing tournament.

00:00:31.000 You gotta fight three times this night. 0.99

00:00:34.000 You're fighting, you're going four fucking rounds. 1.00

00:00:39.000 Exhausting, ridiculous fight. 1.00

00:00:42.000 And then I remember this shit. 1.00

00:00:45.000 Oh shit. 1.00

00:00:45.000 Oops. 1.00

00:00:46.000 We just dropped Elvis.

00:00:48.000 Elvis has left the building.

00:00:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:50.000 I remember this shit. 1.00

00:00:51.000 Ryan Loco took that. 0.99

00:00:52.000 Ryan Loco sent me this picture. 1.00

00:00:54.000 What the fuck, dude? 1.00

00:00:56.000 How are you able to have that kind of cardio? 1.00

00:00:58.000 I mean, you fought three times that night, four rounds your first fight before you won by knockout, and you're smoking cigarettes.

00:01:07.000 Yeah.

00:01:08.000 How's that possible?

00:01:09.000 Oh, Joe.

00:01:11.000 I didn't want to talk about this last time.

00:01:14.000 First five minutes of the show, here we go.

00:01:15.000 But it's just, I couldn't believe it.

00:01:17.000 I really have a hard time believing it.

00:01:19.000 Like, I was watching the fights. 0.99

00:01:20.000 I was like, how the fuck does this guy have this kind of energy? 0.98

00:01:24.000 Well, to be honest, I was exhausted in the third round. 0.99

00:01:26.000 When I went back to my corner, I looked at my coach, and I'm like, you know, he's like, I think you're going to have to go another round. 0.99

00:01:30.000 I'm like, fuck. 0.99

00:01:31.000 I did not want to go another round. 1.00

00:01:32.000 I was exhausted.

00:01:34.000 You know, I just wanted to win, and that was kind of what I did. 0.78

00:01:37.000 Well, it was just a ridiculous fight, too. 0.90

00:01:40.000 I mean, the whole tournament was ridiculous. 0.87

00:01:43.000 It's crazy to make someone fight three times in a night. 0.97

00:01:45.000 But that first fight was just so fucking back and forth and wild and crazy. 0.95

00:01:51.000 And for you to go that hard while you smoke cigarettes. 0.98

00:01:56.000 Yeah, I don't...

00:01:57.000 Like I said, I can't justify it.

00:02:00.000 I'm about ready to quit.

00:02:01.000 My last fight, my cardio was...

00:02:03.000 You know, I've done kickboxing for so long where...

00:02:06.000 I get tired like anybody else, but for whatever reason, it's never really bothered me that much.

00:02:12.000 And in the last fight, he was holding me a lot, and the cardio system is completely different.

00:02:17.000 It's coming to an end.

00:02:18.000 I'm getting really sick of smoking.

00:02:20.000 I'm getting really sick of explaining.

00:02:22.000 Having this conversation, Joe.

00:02:24.000 Joe's the reason.

00:02:25.000 When I quit, this will be the reason.

00:02:27.000 Well, good. 1.00

00:02:28.000 Well, I wanted to talk to you about these stupid vaporizing things, but Simon Marcus, the guy you're fighting, is a tough motherfucker. 0.99

00:02:33.000 You guys are going back and forth three rounds, and then you go in the fourth round, and you still manage to knock him out in the fourth round. 0.99

00:02:41.000 That was a crazy fight.

00:02:43.000 And to know that you're doing all this, giving yourself, I mean, what kind of a cardio deficit do you think cigarettes gives you?

00:02:49.000 Is it 5% maybe?

00:02:51.000 I really don't know.

00:02:52.000 I've been smoking since before I started doing kickboxing, so it was something that was just, you know, my cardio always sucks at the beginning of the camp and by the end of the camp I'm outrunning everybody else.

00:03:04.000 I'm sure it's a deficit.

00:03:05.000 You would have amazing cardio if you didn't smoke.

00:03:08.000 I mean, think of that.

00:03:09.000 Unless, you know what I used to think when I was young? 0.91

00:03:11.000 I was really retarded.

00:03:12.000 I would think that maybe smoking cigarettes is like weightlifting for your lungs. 0.81

00:03:16.000 Like, it makes your lungs work harder.

00:03:18.000 Because if you work out really hard and you smoke, maybe your lungs have to work Extra hard to deal with that smoke and they get stronger.

00:03:26.000 I quit for one fight when it was my last amateur fight and my coach, you know, was against it, obviously.

00:03:33.000 He was against you quitting?

00:03:34.000 Oh, against me smoking.

00:03:37.000 He's like, come on, man. 1.00

00:03:38.000 Don't be a pussy. 1.00

00:03:39.000 Have a beer. 1.00

00:03:40.000 Exactly.

00:03:41.000 So, yeah, I quit for three months.

00:03:43.000 I trained really, really hard.

00:03:44.000 And for whatever reason, I was exhausted in the fight.

00:03:48.000 And after the second round, they're like, you know, seconds out.

00:03:50.000 And I'm like, look at my coach.

00:03:51.000 I can't stand up.

00:03:52.000 My legs were like locked up.

00:03:54.000 And he had to like lift me off the stool.

00:03:55.000 And I got robbed in the...

00:03:57.000 I lost that fight, but it was...

00:03:59.000 Everybody said I won the fight, but whatever.

00:04:01.000 My coach after the fight was like, you know what?

00:04:03.000 You quit.

00:04:03.000 You did everything I asked you to.

00:04:05.000 Do whatever you want to do after that.

00:04:07.000 Wow.

00:04:08.000 I wonder if your body was suffering nicotine withdrawal.

00:04:11.000 I don't know.

00:04:11.000 Or if I was overconfident that my cardio was going to be so much better that I wasn't pacing or something.

00:04:16.000 Oh, that could be right.

00:04:18.000 That's a big issue, right, that a lot of people that watch fights really have no idea.

00:04:23.000 The energy management that's going on.

00:04:25.000 There's a whole bunch of management going on during a fight, and energy management is a big issue.

00:04:30.000 Knowing when to blow it out, and that's why I see a lot of guys...

00:04:35.000 Chael Sun on the podcast said it best.

00:04:37.000 He said, if you try to win by knockout, but don't win by knockout, you often lose the decision.

00:04:43.000 You just don't have the gas to keep going.

00:04:45.000 Right.

00:04:45.000 That's pretty true.

00:04:47.000 Is that an experience thing, you think?

00:04:49.000 Like when you're managing your energy like that in the ring?

00:04:52.000 I think so.

00:04:54.000 I think it also has a lot to do with hiding how tired you are.

00:04:58.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:59.000 And like that example, for example, that fight with Simon Marcus you were talking about.

00:05:03.000 I usually, the way I hide it, and all the secrets can be out there, but I'll do like a little walk-off.

00:05:08.000 And if you notice, the ref broke us.

00:05:11.000 John McCarthy broke us.

00:05:12.000 And I turned my back and I was walking away.

00:05:14.000 And I was like...

00:05:16.000 Catching my breath, and then he stalks me, and as he's coming, I'm waiting for that one big shot.

00:05:21.000 So it's like you're exhausted, you pace yourself for a second to give that next explosion.

00:05:28.000 It's just experience.

00:05:29.000 I've always been tired in every fight I've ever had, so I'm at that level.

00:05:33.000 But my last fight with Bellator, I was just a different level of exhausted from the wrestling and the jiu-jitsu that I haven't been doing for 15 years of my life.

00:05:42.000 I'm at a point now in my career where it's like, I've worked my ass off for so long that like kickboxing comes natural to me, you know, and with MMA It's like if I want to you know, yeah, I have half of the game down but if I want to really take this to the next level I have to Improve on the ground and the wrestling and that's gonna take me improving my cardio.

00:06:01.000 I think so are you committed?

00:06:03.000 Totally to fighting in both MMA and kickboxing or do you do you go back and forth on this or?

00:06:10.000 You know I love kickboxing and I want to do it forever.

00:06:14.000 And if the opportunity stays there for me to do both, then yes.

00:06:17.000 But I definitely have to step my game up in MMA. I really hate my record.

00:06:22.000 This last fight fucking drives me nuts. 0.99

00:06:25.000 The last fight was a close one. 0.99

00:06:26.000 Up until it got to the ground, it just seemed like you were having a real hard time getting up.

00:06:31.000 There's such a giant issue when it comes to the difference between the kind of endurance that you have with grappling and your ability to calculate all the different moves.

00:06:43.000 It takes so long to get grappling information in your body and in your head.

00:06:48.000 There's just so much stuff that's going on.

00:06:50.000 The guys are holding you down.

00:06:52.000 There's a few guys that get the takedown defense game down, like Krokop did in Pride, and then start to become really successful.

00:07:00.000 But once they actually get taken down and actually get held down on the ground, it just saps you of your energy, man.

00:07:06.000 And it takes away...

00:07:07.000 I was watching, I was like, I wonder how frustrating this is for him, because you're used to fighting your style of fight.

00:07:13.000 Your style of fight is kickboxing.

00:07:14.000 And then all of a sudden, you got this guy on top of you, and you can't get up, and he's holding you down, and nothing really was happening on the ground. 0.95

00:07:21.000 There wasn't a lot of ground and pound, it wasn't real significant submission attempts, but it's just keeping you from doing the shit you want to do. 0.86

00:07:29.000 Yeah, it was incredibly frustrating. 0.97

00:07:31.000 Incredibly frustrating.

00:07:32.000 Do you think about just not doing it anymore?

00:07:36.000 Not really, because it's just not who I am.

00:07:38.000 When things are frustrating and hard, I don't quit.

00:07:40.000 I just step it up to the next level, usually.

00:07:43.000 Which is something I like about myself, so I don't want to change that.

00:07:46.000 No, that's a good quality, for sure.

00:07:48.000 It's just frustrating.

00:07:49.000 And then, I obviously have things that I need to work on.

00:07:53.000 I had stuff in the camp.

00:07:54.000 I was really sick during the camp.

00:07:56.000 You can continue to kickbox when you're really sick, you know, to an extent. 0.98

00:08:00.000 But, like, you can't do jiu-jitsu and be, like, drooling and slobbering and fucking sweating in some guy's face when you have the flu, you know? 0.53

00:08:06.000 So, like, for that camp, I only had, like, three weeks of jiu-jitsu. 0.94

00:08:09.000 And then I was sick for three weeks. 1.00

00:08:11.000 I had a fucking bronchitis and lung infection and this nasty shit. 1.00

00:08:15.000 Which probably fucking smoking wasn't, you know... 1.00

00:08:18.000 Were you smoking while you had the bronchitis? 0.99

00:08:20.000 I was just smoking all the time, John. 0.99

00:08:23.000 What I wanted to ask you is about these stupid vaporizer things that people keep sending me. 1.00

00:08:28.000 These vape tobacco. 0.99

00:08:29.000 Yeah, I'm actually sponsored by Firebrand, and it's been good.

00:08:33.000 I think I'm going to start using that stuff to quit.

00:08:35.000 That's a way better thing for your lungs, right?

00:08:38.000 I mean, I think so.

00:08:39.000 Allegedly.

00:08:40.000 Allegedly.

00:08:41.000 I'm sure in 20 years they're going to say that was the reason that Joe got brain cancer.

00:08:48.000 I just, I wonder how, I mean, I know that being a professional fighter takes a tremendous amount of dedication and time.

00:08:55.000 And I wonder, like, when I see you in Glory and I see you also in Bellator, I'm like, man, does this guy have the amount of time that it takes to compete at the level that you compete at in kickboxing in both?

00:09:08.000 I mean, do you have the time to put in to jiu-jitsu and to wrestling defense and stuff like that?

00:09:13.000 It's been really tough, you know, the...

00:09:17.000 At the beginning of the year, I was really excited about it.

00:09:19.000 Oh, it's gonna be a busy year, you know, but it's really hard to have a fight and then immediately go right into another training camp for a different style or for, you know, for another sport.

00:09:27.000 And it's, you know, it's like my next fight's June 26th and it's like I just fought and I'm jumping right back into camp.

00:09:33.000 Bellator?

00:09:34.000 Bellator.

00:09:34.000 Oh, back in it again.

00:09:36.000 Yeah, which is nice because at least it's two in a row, you know.

00:09:38.000 Right.

00:09:39.000 Yeah, it should be good.

00:09:40.000 I'm leaving tomorrow to Florida.

00:09:42.000 I'll be an American top team for three weeks.

00:09:44.000 That's a good move.

00:09:45.000 I'm going to be sparring with Tiago Alves for his fight with Carlos Condit.

00:09:49.000 And then, you know, working a lot with their wrestling team and with King Mo out there.

00:09:53.000 That's very smart for him.

00:09:55.000 Because, you know, Carlos and you have similar builds.

00:09:58.000 That's very smart for him.

00:09:59.000 And that's great for you, too.

00:10:00.000 That's a great camp as far as wrestling knowledge and grappling knowledge.

00:10:04.000 Right. 0.98

00:10:04.000 Like I said, you know, I'm not the kind of person that, like, When I lose a fight, I'm like, oh, I don't want to do this shit anymore. 0.98

00:10:10.000 I'll just go to where I'm good, you know? 0.98

00:10:11.000 Right.

00:10:11.000 What do I need to do different?

00:10:12.000 I need to get with a better team that's more focused on MMA and has better wrestlers.

00:10:17.000 You know, work this out.

00:10:18.000 I totally get that, but I would wonder how you could do both.

00:10:23.000 Like, that's what I would wonder.

00:10:24.000 I mean, I could totally get you saying, hey, you know what?

00:10:27.000 Right now, I'm in my athletic prime.

00:10:29.000 I think that the eyes are on MMA right now.

00:10:32.000 Mm-hmm.

00:10:32.000 I'm just gonna make the jump and just fully make the jump but to do both me You're still active at a world-class level in kickboxing You're fighting world champions in kickboxing.

00:10:41.000 I'm the real number one contender right now for glory, but I couldn't take that shit That's a statement The last person they you know, I knocked out Simon I was ranked number one He beat two guys that weren't even in the top three and somehow got ranked number one to fight Arctum 11 I'm just saying Well,

00:10:57.000 those were good fights, though. 0.72

00:10:58.000 They were good fights, but that's what I'm saying, Joe.

00:11:02.000 It just got said.

00:11:03.000 It did get said.

00:11:05.000 It got said.

00:11:05.000 Now, to make the decision, though, to say if you have a camp and you're going to go and do this Bellator fight in June, and then if they offer you a kickboxing fight, like, say, in August...

00:11:17.000 Is that a difficult decision?

00:11:18.000 Like, do you say, like, hey, you know, I would rather be kickboxing, like, four or five months, really get sharp and in the groove, or is it okay to bounce back and forth?

00:11:26.000 Do you do enough kickboxing during your MMA training?

00:11:29.000 I think I can go back and forth with kickboxing at that level.

00:11:32.000 You know, it's just cut out.

00:11:34.000 The problem is when I do the kickboxing fight and then they offer me a Bellator fight right away because when I... If I fought Bellatoria in June and then I was going to fight kickboxing in August, July, the end of June, July, and August, I wouldn't be doing any wrestling or, you know, I just don't have time.

00:11:49.000 I'd be focusing on kickboxing, sparring, all that stuff.

00:11:52.000 So that was kind of the issue, you know, it was going back and forth.

00:11:56.000 Would it make any difference at all if it was a Muay Thai fight instead of kickboxing, like if you're doing Muay Thai all the time and then went right into MMA where you got a little bit more grappling?

00:12:06.000 Would that have any effect?

00:12:07.000 Um...

00:12:10.000 Possibly.

00:12:10.000 I mean, I still train pretty much the same.

00:12:12.000 The difference would be the elbows for that.

00:12:16.000 Not the clinch work?

00:12:18.000 Not so much.

00:12:19.000 I'm still clinching with kickboxing, just not for as long a period of time.

00:12:24.000 You know, every referee is different.

00:12:26.000 Even with Glory, it's like they say no clinching, but then you watch my fight with Simon, they were still way longer than five seconds of clinching in there.

00:12:34.000 Training-wise, it's still the same for me.

00:12:36.000 That's one of the reasons why it was so particularly impressive, that first four-round fight, because Simon Marcus is a Muay Thai guy, and he's known, that's one of his specialties, is his clinch.

00:12:46.000 And he's just very physically strong, and he fights a draining kind of fight.

00:12:50.000 Just really gets a hold of guys, manipulates you around, throws a lot of knees and elbows in the clinch. 0.84

00:12:55.000 And fucking go four rounds with that guy and then fight two more times afterwards. 0.99

00:13:00.000 And then against Wayne Barrett and fucking Artem Levin. 1.00

00:13:03.000 Like, holy shit! 1.00

00:13:04.000 Yeah, when I was walking out or limping out for the... 0.98

00:13:07.000 You know, after I beat Simon the first time, I was like on a high and then beating... 0.98

00:13:12.000 You know, Wayne, it was just like, fuck, I gotta fight one more. 0.99

00:13:15.000 There was no high. 1.00

00:13:16.000 It was like, I gotta fucking one more fight after this. 0.99

00:13:18.000 It was crazy. 0.96

00:13:19.000 And we were in the back dressing room, and everyone's just kind of... 0.98

00:13:21.000 Everybody was just in shock and just kind of looking at me like, how the fuck are you gonna do this? 0.97

00:13:24.000 And I'm looking at them, and I'm like, I have no fucking idea. 0.97

00:13:27.000 I'm gonna do this right now.

00:13:28.000 And I was limping to the ring, and I'm just like...

00:13:31.000 When was this?

00:13:32.000 When was the cigarette?

00:13:34.000 That cigarette was right after the fight with Robert Thomas in the dressing room.

00:13:39.000 Ryan Loco showed up in my dressing room before I got in the shower and was like taking pictures.

00:13:44.000 And I'm like, he's like, can I take, I won't take a photo.

00:13:47.000 I'm like, Ryan, just take the picture.

00:13:50.000 And here it is.

00:13:52.000 Now, when you fought in the tournament, you didn't have any cigarettes in between fights or anything, did you?

00:13:56.000 After Simon, I went outside and had a cigarette.

00:13:59.000 True story.

00:14:00.000 Oh my god.

00:14:01.000 You had a cigarette and then fought twice more. 1.00

00:14:04.000 Damn. 1.00

00:14:04.000 I mean, for all this cigarette talk, I should get sponsored by Marlboro, right? 1.00

00:14:07.000 You should. 1.00

00:14:08.000 Fuck the Reebok deal. 1.00

00:14:09.000 Marlboro, what's up? 1.00

00:14:10.000 Cowboy gets sponsored by Budweiser.

00:14:12.000 Does he?

00:14:12.000 Yeah, he's always wearing Budweiser shirts.

00:14:14.000 They gotta be throwing him some cash.

00:14:15.000 I can't imagine he's not.

00:14:16.000 Yeah.

00:14:17.000 I don't see the dude without a Budweiser shirt on.

00:14:19.000 Yeah?

00:14:21.000 I could be their poster boy.

00:14:22.000 Yeah.

00:14:23.000 Well, if anybody, like Marble, would love you.

00:14:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:27.000 Like, look at this fucking guy, you know? 1.00

00:14:28.000 What do you smoke? 1.00

00:14:29.000 What kind do you smoke?

00:14:29.000 Marble lights.

00:14:30.000 There you go.

00:14:31.000 They'd probably be like, look, folks, the lights are okay.

00:14:34.000 Yeah, right?

00:14:34.000 You know, this guy's got great cardio.

00:14:36.000 This is perfect.

00:14:37.000 How does a man fight so many rounds, you know?

00:14:40.000 Three different guys, one night.

00:14:42.000 Come on.

00:14:42.000 It's not that bad.

00:14:43.000 Right. 1.00

00:14:44.000 Don't be a pussy. 1.00

00:14:45.000 Don't be a pussy. 1.00

00:14:48.000 Yeah, those vaporizer things, though, they have helped a lot of people, right? 1.00

00:14:53.000 What about gum? 1.00

00:14:54.000 You ever try that shit? 1.00

00:14:55.000 I can't stand it. 1.00

00:14:56.000 Just the nicotine gum.

00:14:58.000 And I'm like, it can't be good for your mouth. 1.00

00:15:00.000 Fucking nicotine. 0.99

00:15:02.000 I don't think nicotine is really as bad as the chemicals that are in it and the burning of the plant matter. 0.99

00:15:09.000 I think there's something about the burning of the actual leaves themselves and then the 500 plus chemicals that the cigarette companies put into cigarettes to enhance the flavor and to enhance the addictive properties of it.

00:15:24.000 So there's an interesting topic.

00:15:26.000 So now Philip Morris is making their own weed products now.

00:15:32.000 Is that true? 0.97

00:15:32.000 I heard that they had some big fucking thing and that they're getting ready for the whole distribution. 0.97

00:15:40.000 So they have like Marlboro weed cigarettes. 0.98

00:15:43.000 It's like, go ahead and take something natural and healthy and then give it to a cigarette company and watch what happens. 1.00

00:15:49.000 And now people will be getting fucking cancer and all kinds of shit from smoking weed. 1.00

00:15:53.000 Yeah, right, they'll become Republicans. 1.00

00:15:55.000 Like, something will happen, they'll put some shit in the cigarettes, and you're like, you know what, I don't think I'm real excited about gay marriage. 1.00

00:16:01.000 Like, all of a sudden, people have these weird Republican right-wing views. 0.99

00:16:07.000 I think that it's real possible, because if you see those natural cigarettes, like those American, what are those, American spirits?

00:16:14.000 American spirits.

00:16:14.000 Those are just tobacco, right?

00:16:16.000 Apparently they taste like shit. 1.00

00:16:18.000 A lot of my friends smoke them. 1.00

00:16:19.000 I'm not a big fan.

00:16:20.000 And they'll burn forever, which I guess is without the chemicals.

00:16:23.000 Like a cigarette.

00:16:25.000 If you light a cigarette and you sit in an ashtray, it will burn all the way down.

00:16:28.000 If you lit a joint and sit in an ashtray, it would burn out.

00:16:31.000 It won't burn the whole thing.

00:16:32.000 But I guess it's the chemicals in it.

00:16:33.000 They keep it lit.

00:16:34.000 They keep it burning.

00:16:36.000 And then the American Spirits, it's like, it takes forever to smoke one.

00:16:40.000 Yeah.

00:16:40.000 Which is kind of good.

00:16:41.000 You only smoke like half of it and get rid of it.

00:16:42.000 But they're disgusting, right?

00:16:43.000 They're pretty nasty, in my opinion. 0.97

00:16:45.000 Does it give you the same rush?

00:16:46.000 Like, that's what you're getting, right?

00:16:48.000 This nicotine rush, right?

00:16:49.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess so.

00:16:51.000 It would give you the same feeling.

00:16:52.000 Because I think that tobacco itself is, I don't think it's good for you, but I don't think it's nearly as bad for you as the tobacco with all the jazz in it.

00:17:00.000 Yeah, right.

00:17:01.000 Did you ever see that movie, The Insider, Russell Crowe?

00:17:05.000 It's about, you know, you don't really know how much, whenever they do a movie on real life situations, you don't know how much fuckery is involved and manipulate things.

00:17:14.000 But the movie is about a guy who is a scientist working for cigarette companies that his whole deal is figuring out how to make them more addictive.

00:17:25.000 And then he testifies against cigarette companies.

00:17:27.000 And they, you know, they're fucking stalking his home, scaring the shit out of them and Apparently, supposedly, you've got to say that, based on a real story. 0.98

00:17:35.000 Based on a real story. 0.98

00:17:36.000 Yeah, but there are hundreds of chemicals, 500 plus chemicals that they put into cigarettes for various reasons.

00:17:44.000 Yeah, why would they do that?

00:17:45.000 That menthol taste.

00:17:48.000 I want to know how that got into the black community.

00:17:50.000 How did men... 0.99

00:17:51.000 Cools.

00:17:52.000 Cools, the Nike, upside down Nike sign.

00:17:54.000 Is that...

00:17:54.000 Is it?

00:17:55.000 Hmm.

00:17:56.000 No, that's the Newport.

00:17:57.000 Is it Newport?

00:17:58.000 Newport has the Nike sign.

00:18:00.000 I don't know.

00:18:01.000 But yeah, how did they do...

00:18:02.000 Cools, that's true, right? 0.63

00:18:03.000 Cools...

00:18:04.000 It's interesting how certain cigarettes are for... 0.98

00:18:07.000 I mean, they're just fucking cigarettes, but they figured out a way to brand them so they appeal towards certain ethnic groups. 0.95

00:18:14.000 You know? 0.99

00:18:15.000 Like, Lucky Strikes. 1.00

00:18:16.000 You gotta be some sort of a savage, like, mechanic with fucking a missing pinky. 0.99

00:18:22.000 You know, if you're smoking those filtered Lucky Strikes, you're probably drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon right out of the can, you know? 1.00

00:18:29.000 Right.

00:18:30.000 Your fingernails are always dirty.

00:18:34.000 You're drinking horrible booze and you're smoking Lucky Strikes. 0.67

00:18:38.000 Everybody knows that. 1.00

00:18:39.000 You don't see black people smoking Lucky Strikes. 0.95

00:18:41.000 When was the time you saw a black guy smoking American Spirits? 0.98

00:18:44.000 No, those are white hipsters, right? 0.96

00:18:47.000 Yeah, pretty much, yeah.

00:18:48.000 Try to be natural.

00:18:49.000 Yeah.

00:18:50.000 But Cools?

00:18:51.000 I just remember Cools, like there was an Eddie Murphy movie, and they would always have like the blackout.

00:18:55.000 Where's my pack of Cools, man?

00:18:57.000 Give me that pack of Cools.

00:18:59.000 My mother used to smoke Cools. 0.79

00:19:00.000 I don't know what that says about my mom.

00:19:03.000 Can't be good.

00:19:07.000 I don't want to say anything about Joe's mom. 0.66

00:19:09.000 Yeah, man, if you think, if you see a young white gal, and she's smoking cools, and you're a black guy, you probably think you got a shot. 0.71

00:19:16.000 Like, I see what she's doing. 0.90

00:19:17.000 She's sending out the bat signal. 0.92

00:19:20.000 It's just bizarre that there's certain cigarettes that they appeal to certain ethnic groups.

00:19:26.000 Yeah, I never thought about that.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, it's marketing, man. 1.00

00:19:29.000 Marketing is fucked. 0.99

00:19:31.000 How clean is your diet when you, I mean, obviously you have the issue with the cigarettes, but other than the issue with the cigarettes, how clean is your diet when you're training? 1.00

00:19:38.000 When I'm training, I just, you know, I don't eat like fast food and shit like that, but that's pretty much it.

00:19:43.000 You know, it's pretty weight management based, I would think.

00:19:46.000 You know, if my weight's good, then I eat When I used to fight 175, 168, then it was like a month of low carb.

00:19:56.000 I was killing myself.

00:19:58.000 Chicken salads three times a day.

00:19:59.000 Oh, so you do like an Atkins type deal?

00:20:02.000 Yeah.

00:20:03.000 When I do low carb, it works really well.

00:20:05.000 To take off the weight?

00:20:06.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:20:06.000 Doesn't that fuck with your energy? 0.97

00:20:08.000 Yeah, it would, especially as the fight got closer and I would really start cutting back on carbs. 0.55

00:20:14.000 I would try to keep carbs Under 100 a day and then as I got closer it would be like under 50 and like last week it'd be like almost no carbs and then I'd find myself like pulling out in front of in traffic like your brain works off of of carbs and water so Yeah, it wasn't good when I went up to 180 187 for glory It was a lot easier to make weight.

00:20:35.000 My performance was way, way, way better.

00:20:37.000 Yeah, I would only imagine.

00:20:38.000 There's got to be a significant point of what you would call diminishing returns, where you can only cut so much weight where it's not going to benefit.

00:20:46.000 Yeah.

00:20:47.000 Totally.

00:20:49.000 It's not like when you see guys like Frankie Edgar that fought so well at 155, and he weighed 155, and then you see other dudes that are coming down from, you know, way, way above that.

00:20:59.000 Oftentimes, like in the high 180s, like, Gleason Tebow, you ever see that guy in real life?

00:21:03.000 Mm-mm.

00:21:04.000 Wait till you meet him.

00:21:05.000 You're going to go down to American Top Team?

00:21:06.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:21:07.000 You're going to look at that guy and you go, how in the fuck does that guy make 155? 0.96

00:21:11.000 I mean, it doesn't make any sense. 0.99

00:21:13.000 He's huge. 0.99

00:21:14.000 I mean, he's fucking huge. 0.99

00:21:16.000 I mean, he's like, he'd be 190. I don't know how he does it. 0.99

00:21:19.000 You see him when he's getting ready to weigh in, you're like, that doesn't even make sense.

00:21:23.000 Like, that's not even 155 now.

00:21:25.000 He gets in the scale, it says 155, and you're like, huh?

00:21:28.000 How is that possible?

00:21:29.000 Yeah, a lot of those guys, I just don't get it.

00:21:32.000 I just don't understand.

00:21:34.000 That's the dark secret of MMA. The dark secret of combat sports is the weight cut.

00:21:38.000 It's very dangerous.

00:21:40.000 You heard about that guy that just died recently, kidney failure?

00:21:43.000 No.

00:21:43.000 Yeah, amateur guy.

00:21:45.000 Just died just like a week or two ago.

00:21:48.000 Yeah, he had kidney failure.

00:21:51.000 They pulled him out, took him to the hospital, and I believe he died shortly after.

00:21:55.000 I want to say a day or two later.

00:21:56.000 That's terrible. 1.00

00:21:58.000 Yeah, it's that fucking dehydration, man. 0.99

00:22:00.000 It's just so dangerous. 1.00

00:22:01.000 Yeah, it really is.

00:22:02.000 It really is.

00:22:03.000 I mean, I've had some really, really bad cuts in the past.

00:22:05.000 Obviously, the performance wasn't good, but there was a couple of ones where it was like walking to the way in. 0.98

00:22:12.000 At Commerce Casino, there's like a long fucking stairway. 0.91

00:22:17.000 And like every step I would have to stop and like... 0.99

00:22:21.000 And then take another step.

00:22:22.000 It took me like 15 minutes to get up the stairs.

00:22:24.000 And it was like the doctor like check, you know, does like the check or whatever beforehand.

00:22:27.000 He's like, I'm not letting you cut another ounce if you don't make it.

00:22:30.000 Usually they give you like two hours to make two more pounds or whatever.

00:22:33.000 He's like, you're not cutting any more weight.

00:22:35.000 And I had to like tell him like, I'm okay.

00:22:36.000 I have a nurse standing by. 1.00

00:22:38.000 I'm going to get an IV. Like, I'm going to be all right.

00:22:40.000 But it was really, really bad.

00:22:41.000 And then, you know, you see some of these guys, uh, which I think was the ultimate fighter where the guy was like in the back cramping and screaming and crying.

00:22:49.000 They wouldn't let him fight.

00:22:51.000 But yeah, I don't know why people go that far for it.

00:22:54.000 It's all the wrestling, the influence of wrestling, because that's always been a part of the wrestling culture. 1.00

00:22:59.000 Like, if you try to wrestle at your natural weight, you're a pussy. 1.00

00:23:02.000 Like, what, you can't cut weight? 1.00

00:23:04.000 You can't be uncomfortable?

00:23:06.000 Like, wrestlers only seem to be happy when they're miserable.

00:23:08.000 Like, they're happy when they're chewing ice and running upstairs.

00:23:12.000 They're like Marines in a certain way.

00:23:15.000 Have you ever talked to Marines?

00:23:17.000 They'll brag about how much more miserable their time was than other people's time.

00:23:23.000 They take pride in the fact that they can suffer and endure it. 0.99

00:23:28.000 It's not easy to fucking endure misery. 0.98

00:23:32.000 I guess there's a badge of courage attached to that. 0.99

00:23:36.000 When it comes to wrestling, there's a culture of being miserable, a culture of overtraining.

00:23:42.000 No one over-trains wrestlers.

00:23:44.000 It's a significant issue because, yeah, you get mental toughness out of it.

00:23:49.000 There's no one mentally tougher than wrestlers. 0.96

00:23:51.000 When it comes to MMA, when those guys enter into MMA, they have this fucking steel determination, like the elite high-level wrestlers. 0.98

00:24:02.000 You get it from elite high-level kickboxers as well, but... 0.96

00:24:05.000 It seems like there's something about the grind of amateur wrestling, going through high school, going through college, going through Olympic trials and whatever you do.

00:24:14.000 The level of intensity in the wrestling room and the dealing, the constantly dealing with being in a bad state physically, like constantly overtrained.

00:24:24.000 They just develop this mindset of driving through that.

00:24:27.000 It just sounds miserable.

00:24:28.000 I mean, I feel depressed while just hearing you talk about it. 1.00

00:24:31.000 Who wants to do that shit? 1.00

00:24:34.000 There's talk about the guy who runs the California State Athletic Commission. 1.00

00:24:40.000 He wants to have people.

00:24:43.000 Andy Foster, very smart guy.

00:24:45.000 Had a good conversation with him.

00:24:46.000 He wants to talk to guys about possibly putting some sort of a limit as to how much you can gain.

00:24:56.000 After the weigh-in.

00:24:57.000 Yeah, after the weigh-in, to discourage really bad weight cuts. 0.82

00:25:01.000 Cut it to 10 pounds, 15 pounds, whatever the fuck it is, whatever the number is. 0.73

00:25:06.000 What do you think of that? 0.98

00:25:08.000 Well, I mean, the theory is good, but then you still have the same problem as before.

00:25:12.000 You get these guys that think they can cut 30 pounds, and then I'll just put on 10 more.

00:25:16.000 Well, then you're still fighting dehydrated, and you're going to have the same injuries and risks.

00:25:22.000 Yeah.

00:25:23.000 You're almost risking more now because you're not allowing them to at least get in there healthy.

00:25:27.000 Yeah.

00:25:27.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:25:28.000 You know, I think the real way to do it is probably to weigh someone, like, six weeks out.

00:25:33.000 Yeah.

00:25:34.000 You know?

00:25:34.000 And then figure out how much you would allow them.

00:25:37.000 But they would cheat then, too.

00:25:39.000 Yeah.

00:25:39.000 And they'd cut weight every once a week before the weigh-in.

00:25:42.000 Yeah, they would just cut a shitload of weight six weeks out.

00:25:45.000 It was a lie.

00:25:46.000 You know?

00:25:46.000 They'd cut 10 pounds, and then you'd say, all right, you can lose 15 more, and then, no, they're cutting 25. You know?

00:25:52.000 It just seems like the other option is the day of weigh-ins, which is terrible, because they'll cut weight then too.

00:25:58.000 Yeah, they'll do it.

00:25:59.000 Yeah.

00:26:01.000 Yeah, I don't know how to fix it other than telling people it's bad for you.

00:26:05.000 You know, more people die, I guess.

00:26:07.000 Yeah, I mean, would there be a benefit of making people fight at their natural weight?

00:26:13.000 Like, would you walk around, like, close to 200?

00:26:15.000 Yeah, I'm about 205 right now.

00:26:18.000 And when you get into the ring, when you fight, like, say, in glory, will you be about 200?

00:26:23.000 Yeah, I'll be right around, like, 200 pounds.

00:26:25.000 What about, like, making some sort of agreement with other fighters that also are like that?

00:26:30.000 Like a guy like Simon.

00:26:31.000 Like, just weigh in the day of the fight, no cutting weight.

00:26:35.000 Like, this is what you gotta weigh.

00:26:36.000 You gotta weigh 200 pounds.

00:26:38.000 Or maybe make an opening.

00:26:41.000 Like, okay, you gotta be between 190 and 200. You know what I mean?

00:26:44.000 Right, but 10 people cut weight, right?

00:26:48.000 Well, wouldn't they cut weight to make 200?

00:26:50.000 Yeah, but they'd be bigger.

00:26:51.000 They'd bulk up to like 210 and cut down.

00:26:54.000 It almost seems like there's no way to...

00:26:57.000 There's no way to fix it, I guess. 0.99

00:26:58.000 That's a fucked up situation. 0.99

00:27:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:27:01.000 And for people who don't know, the real issue with weight cutting when it comes to combat sports as opposed to wrestling is head trauma.

00:27:08.000 Because your brain takes a while, especially when you're just ingesting fluids orally, meaning just drinking water or Pedialyte or whatever, it takes a while to get up to your brain.

00:27:19.000 But in wrestling, that's okay because no one's kicking you in the head.

00:27:23.000 When you're in MMA or kickboxing, you've got a real issue because it takes a while for it, which is why everybody likes to go with IV bags. 1.00

00:27:34.000 Fuck. 0.99

00:27:36.000 It's almost like MMA is too much. 1.00

00:27:38.000 There's like too much going on. 0.95

00:27:39.000 Between all the different shit you have to do, and then also you have five minute rounds as opposed to three minute rounds of kickboxing. 0.95

00:27:45.000 The wrestling, the kickboxing, the submissions, like all the different variables. 0.99

00:27:51.000 It's almost like you fucking can't keep up with it. 0.98

00:27:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:27:54.000 There's a lot of shit going on there. 0.99

00:27:57.000 I don't know how to fix the weight. 0.99

00:27:58.000 I mean, it's got to be an issue in boxing, too, no?

00:28:01.000 Or we just don't talk about it?

00:28:02.000 It's not as big an issue.

00:28:03.000 It's not as big an issue because the physical weight is not as big an issue.

00:28:07.000 It's an issue, but it's not as big an issue as, say, like a guy who can take you down and use that weight on top of you.

00:28:13.000 Right.

00:28:13.000 Because the weight isn't going to really help you that much.

00:28:16.000 Yeah, like you see a guy like Chris Weidman who fights at 185, he does not weigh 185 right now.

00:28:21.000 If you weighed Chris Weidman right now, he's got to be well over 200 pounds.

00:28:25.000 He's a big boy.

00:28:26.000 And he has a hard cut to get down to 185, and he's the UFC middleweight champion, you know?

00:28:33.000 And he fights a very, very heavy, physical style, very aggressive, gets on top of dudes, vicious ground and pound, knows how to use his weight, and if you're not prepared to that weight, like, after Lyoto fought him, one of the first things Lyoto said was, I gotta get stronger.

00:28:48.000 I just gotta get bigger.

00:28:49.000 I just can't fight at this weight.

00:28:53.000 Yeah, there's, like, you know, some people, they just gain weight easier than other people.

00:28:57.000 Like, some guys in shape could be right around 205, but when they're out of shape, they get all the way up to, like, 225 pounds.

00:29:03.000 Me, I'm, like, 205 to 210, period.

00:29:06.000 In shape, out of shape, whatever.

00:29:07.000 Like, I'm not the type of guy that gets fat, you know what I mean?

00:29:11.000 That's smart.

00:29:12.000 Well, it's just, I wish I could gain weight.

00:29:13.000 It would be a little easier, you know?

00:29:15.000 For me to bulk up for a fight and do the weights, and I'm drinking, like...

00:29:19.000 3,000 calorie shakes, like twice a day, you know, just to try to put weight on.

00:29:23.000 And I see these other guys that, you know, who's that, the Bellator champion, Housley?

00:29:30.000 He posted a picture the other day.

00:29:32.000 He was like 230. Yeah, did you see there was an article on the Underground about that guy where people were accusing him of Mexican supplements?

00:29:42.000 Oh yeah?

00:29:43.000 Yeah, I forget.

00:29:44.000 I don't like to engage in those things because I don't know who's telling the truth or who's not telling the truth.

00:29:50.000 Anytime someone fights well, there's all immediate accusations.

00:29:53.000 Like that was one with Rafael Dos Anjos after he beat Pettis.

00:29:58.000 Everybody was saying, oh, he's got to be on something.

00:30:00.000 He's got to be on something.

00:30:01.000 Like, look at him.

00:30:02.000 He's got to be on something.

00:30:03.000 I just think anybody that does well, they're going to say that.

00:30:06.000 And then, like, who's saying it?

00:30:07.000 It's the fans.

00:30:09.000 Bellator posted a picture of me after I knocked out Melvin and a picture of when I was 17 years old training.

00:30:15.000 And all the comments were like, P.E.D. Since I was 17?

00:30:19.000 Like, really?

00:30:20.000 I can't believe he looks different than when he was 17. Yeah, that's weird, dude.

00:30:24.000 You got older and you look different?

00:30:27.000 Yeah, it's crazy. 0.99

00:30:28.000 Strange as fuck. 0.99

00:30:29.000 Dos Anjos looks exactly the same, too. 1.00

00:30:31.000 That's why it's so stupid that everybody's accusing him. 0.98

00:30:33.000 Doesn't mean he couldn't possibly have been on something, but, you know, he's training with one of the disciples of Marv Marinovich. 0.99

00:30:42.000 Do you know the Marv?

00:30:43.000 Yeah.

00:30:43.000 He's training with this guy, Nick Kurson, who's going to be on the podcast in a couple weeks.

00:30:47.000 I'm very excited to...

00:30:49.000 Interview that guy.

00:30:50.000 And he's got some pretty radical training methods that he learned from Marv Marinovich.

00:30:56.000 Because I heard them talk about him when BJ used him, right?

00:30:59.000 Yeah.

00:31:00.000 And this guy has the same sort of training methods.

00:31:03.000 I really can't wait to interview him and talk to him about these methods.

00:31:07.000 That's interesting.

00:31:08.000 Yeah, because Dos Anjos was in insane shape.

00:31:11.000 I mean, the pace that he put on Pettis...

00:31:14.000 He didn't have any holes.

00:31:16.000 I mean, there was nothing.

00:31:17.000 His striking was on point.

00:31:18.000 His grappling was insane.

00:31:20.000 His cardio was insane.

00:31:22.000 I mean, he just covered all the bases, dotted all his I's, checked all his T's. 0.99

00:31:26.000 That was impressive as fuck. 0.95

00:31:27.000 I want to find out what this guy's doing. 0.99

00:31:29.000 Yeah, me too.

00:31:31.000 I always wonder how much of a training camp, and this is particularly important, I guess, in MMA, how much of a training camp should be dedicated to strength and conditioning?

00:31:44.000 And how much should be dedicated to skill work?

00:31:49.000 You know, for me, for Last Man Standing, I had like a six months notice or something for the fight.

00:31:57.000 And my fight before that was with Wayne Barrett in New York.

00:32:00.000 And I just felt physically too small when I fought him.

00:32:03.000 I mean, that was the first time in my career where the guy that I weighed in against and the guy I got in the ring with were like two different people.

00:32:09.000 And it really bothered me mentally.

00:32:11.000 And like there were shots that he would hit me with That didn't even land, but he hit me in the forearm and he'd be pushing me across the ring and I really felt too small.

00:32:21.000 I hit the weights and I was doing the high calorie things or whatever and I did the weights for a long, long period of time.

00:32:25.000 And then my coach stopped me about six weeks out from the fight and was like, you know, more weights.

00:32:32.000 Now you have to get your...

00:32:33.000 Because I was stiff and, you know, if you lift weights...

00:32:35.000 You're sore all the time, right?

00:32:37.000 Yeah, you're just sore and every time you're building muscle, you're making it tighter and tighter and tighter.

00:32:41.000 For speed, for kickboxing especially, and boxing, it's about technique and...

00:32:48.000 Being loose and snap more so than like punching hard.

00:32:51.000 The economy of movement too, right?

00:32:53.000 You got to be able to be loose.

00:32:54.000 Yeah, it's about getting that punch to snap at the end and not trying to push through.

00:32:59.000 I had a really good result with that camp and I felt like I was hitting harder.

00:33:06.000 Obviously it knocked out Simon, so it was good.

00:33:09.000 But, like, now when I'm fighting so actively, it's like I don't really have time to hit the weights and, like, bulk up or, like, get that tight again, you know?

00:33:15.000 So that's been an issue for me when you're fighting so consistently.

00:33:18.000 I'm sure that, you know, I'd be interested to see what Donald Cerrone does when he's fighting so often, you know, if he has time.

00:33:26.000 Because for me, it was like, okay, get right back into camp.

00:33:29.000 You're right back where you are, like, the last, you know, five weeks.

00:33:31.000 You're running all the time.

00:33:32.000 You're trying to get your speed and your agility, but there's not a whole lot of strength training going on.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, I talked to Diego Sanchez about that, and Diego, the way he would prepare for a fight.

00:33:40.000 Yes!

00:33:41.000 Yes!

00:33:42.000 Yes! 1.00

00:33:42.000 He'd just pull out a cross and just start fucking screaming yes. 1.00

00:33:45.000 I didn't see that. 0.99

00:33:46.000 Somebody told me about that the other day.

00:33:47.000 You've never seen it? 0.99

00:33:48.000 And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:33:49.000 Jamie, pull this up. 0.99

00:33:49.000 You gotta see this. 0.99

00:33:50.000 Oh my god.

00:33:50.000 I just saw it the other day.

00:33:52.000 And I was like, he was telling me about it.

00:33:54.000 I didn't believe him. 0.99

00:33:55.000 And then I YouTubed, and I was like, holy shit. 0.99

00:33:57.000 That's some... 0.99

00:33:58.000 There's not a motherfucker alive who believes in himself more than Diego Sanchez. 0.98

00:34:02.000 I mean, you might believe in yourself as much, but you are at 100%. 0.99

00:34:06.000 You're at 100% belief. 1.00

00:34:08.000 That motherfucker believes in himself. 0.99

00:34:10.000 I mean, I had seen it when he was walking out yelling yes or whatever, but I hadn't seen where he pulled out the cross and was fighting demons on the way to the ring. 1.00

00:34:18.000 That was fucking crazy. 0.88

00:34:19.000 It was one of the greatest moments I've ever seen in my life. 0.99

00:34:22.000 I don't know if that's belief or what that is.

00:34:23.000 It's a lot of things, man.

00:34:24.000 That was something.

00:34:24.000 It's a lot of things.

00:34:25.000 No, this is just a yes one.

00:34:27.000 This is great.

00:34:30.000 Diego's an interesting cat.

00:34:32.000 He's very big on yoga.

00:34:34.000 He's very big on sensory deprivation tanks.

00:34:38.000 We talked in depth about sensory deprivation.

00:34:42.000 Maybe it's the craziest one.

00:34:44.000 Does it say craziest Diego Sanchez?

00:34:47.000 That's very subjective, though. 0.98

00:34:49.000 All of his walk-ins are crazy. 1.00

00:34:53.000 No, he's wearing a cloak or some shit, and he's fucking fighting demons on the way to the ring. 1.00

00:35:00.000 Yeah, it looks like some sort of a monk. 0.99

00:35:04.000 He's a big fan of optimizing everything he's got, including his mental state.

00:35:12.000 He's really into positive affirmations and positive thinking.

00:35:16.000 Yeah, here it is.

00:35:17.000 Yeah, this one.

00:35:19.000 Yeah.

00:35:20.000 So as he walks out, like as he starts walking out towards it, I'm pretty sure this is it.

00:35:24.000 I got something for him.

00:35:25.000 He's like hiding it or something.

00:35:27.000 Bam! 0.98

00:35:27.000 Yeah, there it is. 0.98

00:35:28.000 Here's a fucking cross. 0.99

00:35:32.000 Look at this. 1.00

00:35:35.000 See, I wasn't calling this fight, I don't believe.

00:35:38.000 I believe I was watching it at home, so I got a chance to laugh.

00:35:42.000 I could laugh really hard.

00:35:44.000 That's something right there.

00:35:46.000 If I had to see, if I was seeing this...

00:35:51.000 Yeah, it's Kenny Florian talking.

00:35:52.000 If I was there live, I most certainly would have started laughing.

00:35:57.000 But what I was going to say is that Diego, what he does before camps, is he would do only strength and conditioning.

00:36:04.000 No fitness, no striking training, no grappling training, no nothing.

00:36:08.000 Everything he would do leading up to his camp would be like weightlifting.

00:36:18.000 Right.

00:36:25.000 Right.

00:36:32.000 That's ideally what I would do, except now it's like I only have six weeks between a fight.

00:36:37.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:37.000 So I don't really have time to do that right now.

00:36:39.000 He brought in Steve Maxwell for his BJ Penn fight.

00:36:42.000 And, you know, it was interesting because Steve said it would almost be better if I didn't train him because Steve was like, because if I didn't train him, he wouldn't be in as good a shape and it would have been like a quicker fight.

00:36:55.000 He was outclassed in that fight.

00:36:57.000 BJ was just lighting him up.

00:36:59.000 And because he was in such good shape, he was able to take a tremendous amount of punishment.

00:37:04.000 I mean, BJ dropped him just a couple minutes or so into the first round and then just battered him for the rest of the fight until he eventually cut him with that head kick and stopped him.

00:37:13.000 It's interesting, too, because I've heard, and I kind of believe it, is that your chin has improved with the better shape here.

00:37:20.000 Have you heard that before?

00:37:20.000 I would imagine.

00:37:22.000 I wonder why that is, though.

00:37:23.000 Well, I think that when you're tired, you're weak, you know?

00:37:26.000 I mean...

00:37:29.000 I remember I fought in a kickboxing tournament.

00:37:32.000 It was in Rhode Island, above the waist kickboxing.

00:37:35.000 The old school days.

00:37:36.000 I saw somebody post one of your spinning heel kick knockouts. 1.00

00:37:40.000 That was a Taekwondo tournament.

00:37:43.000 But in the kickboxing tournament, I fought three times in one night.

00:37:45.000 And I won the first fight by knockout. 0.94

00:37:48.000 I beat the shit out of the second guy. 0.96

00:37:50.000 And then I had a long wait. 0.96

00:37:52.000 Like an hour plus for the third fight.

00:37:55.000 And I was exhausted.

00:37:56.000 I wasn't in the best of shape.

00:37:58.000 You know, wasn't that smart back then.

00:38:00.000 Wasn't eating very good.

00:38:01.000 And I was really tired after the first round of this fight, and this guy hit me with a punch that really wasn't that big of a punch.

00:38:08.000 Like, I remember seeing it on video.

00:38:10.000 He hit me with a left hook, and my legs just went, take care. 0.98

00:38:13.000 We'll see you later.

00:38:14.000 They just stopped working.

00:38:16.000 I'm like any other time I'd be able to take that punch like it doesn't make any sense It wasn't like sometimes you see a punch and you see your head snap back and you go goddamn Like you got cracked, but this wasn't that it was just my body just was exhausted and if I was in better shape I know I would have been able to take that better and you see guys that are in really good shape and It's very rare that they can't recover from a couple hard shots whereas it seems like Everything is based on your vitality.

00:38:43.000 And if your body is in really good condition, you can bounce back from things quicker.

00:38:48.000 Like Frankie Edgar is another perfect example.

00:38:50.000 I think a lot of it you have to chalk off to heart and will and determination. 0.98

00:38:54.000 You know, like some guys like Frankie just has this fucking incredible will. 0.98

00:38:58.000 Like you can't, like he's like a dude who's a little dude who people have been fucking with him. 0.99

00:39:02.000 His whole life. 0.95

00:39:03.000 He was this little guy.

00:39:04.000 He ain't having it. 1.00

00:39:05.000 He's going to fucking kick your ass. 1.00

00:39:08.000 It doesn't matter how hard you hit him. 1.00

00:39:10.000 If all fights went to 100 rounds, Frankie Edgar would never lose.

00:39:15.000 He would just keep going and keep going and keep going. 1.00

00:39:17.000 Eventually you would get tired and he would beat your ass. 0.99

00:39:20.000 But I think one of the ways he could absorb the kind of punishment that he could absorb, like against Gray Maynard, remember those fights? 0.99

00:39:27.000 Fucking insane, two insane first rounds where Gray had him out in both fights. 0.93

00:39:33.000 Gray cracked him. 0.99

00:39:34.000 I mean, he's wobbling.

00:39:36.000 A lot of referees would have stopped the fight. 1.00

00:39:38.000 He's going down two, three times in the first round, just getting wobbled, blood, face swelling.

00:39:44.000 Second round, he comes out and he wins a round.

00:39:46.000 You know, how's he doing it?

00:39:48.000 Well, he's doing just insane shape. 0.92

00:39:49.000 His cardio is just so fucking good.

00:39:51.000 He can take it, he bounces back from it, he recovers quickly, and then his cardio is so good that in the second round he's back again. 0.98

00:40:00.000 Well, then it's like the guys that lose their chin.

00:40:01.000 Are they just not in good shape anymore?

00:40:03.000 No, I think it's a punishment issue.

00:40:07.000 We've all seen it.

00:40:08.000 Guys in the gym that have a certain amount of times you can punch that card.

00:40:13.000 Until it's like, it's over.

00:40:15.000 It just doesn't work anymore.

00:40:17.000 Chuck described it to me once.

00:40:19.000 And he said the way it was described to him is that the doctor...

00:40:23.000 Was telling him that at a certain point in time your brain recognizes that you're too tough for your own good So your brain knows when it gets tagged. 0.98

00:40:32.000 Oh This fucking dude is just gonna start absorbing punches again, and we're gonna have to deal with all this damage Let's just shut off right that makes sense. 0.98

00:40:40.000 It makes a lot of sense The last time this happened we just took a little nap and everything was fine. 1.00

00:40:45.000 Let's just do that.

00:40:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:46.000 Yeah, let's just take a little nap Fuck this guy This asshole wants us to go eat punches. 1.00

00:40:53.000 Joe's doing this shit again? 1.00

00:40:54.000 Fuck you, Joe. 1.00

00:40:56.000 You gotta wonder, like, what is that, when that time is? 1.00

00:41:00.000 You know, like, when, when do you, uh, when do you, when do you know?

00:41:04.000 Because most fighters have think, like, you know what, if I just have one more camp, and maybe I'll do eight weeks instead of six weeks, and maybe I'll clean my diet up, and maybe I'll bring in a guy...

00:41:15.000 To work with me maybe on my defense a little bit more, and maybe my strength and conditioning could be better than improve everything.

00:41:22.000 I mean, you gotta know in the camp, though.

00:41:26.000 If you're getting knocked out in sparring, if that's happening, that's never happened to me in sparring.

00:41:31.000 But if that's a thing that happens in the gym, how much confidence can you really have when you're walking to the rink?

00:41:36.000 Like, two weeks ago I got knocked out.

00:41:37.000 Shh, don't tell anybody.

00:41:40.000 That's a regular occurrence.

00:41:42.000 Regular occurrence in MMA. Forrest Griffin, when he fought Anderson, he got knocked out apparently twice.

00:41:49.000 You've seen the Marvin Eastman-Travis Luter fight?

00:41:53.000 Yeah, that was when Marvin got hit with this very strange punch It was like it was a decent punch But it was like at the very end of the punch and he just went out like he got shot All right, and I remember thinking wow, that's kind of crazy Then we found that afterwards he got knocked out twice in camp like really recently Tito had knocked him out with a knee And then someone had knocked him out.

00:42:16.000 He got knocked out with a takedown attempt or something like that.

00:42:20.000 It was like two in a row.

00:42:22.000 So one didn't really recover from that, went back in, got another one.

00:42:26.000 See, that's the other thing.

00:42:27.000 Is there just a number?

00:42:31.000 Or is it like this guy got knocked out and didn't do the right things, didn't do the hyperbaric chambers, didn't take time off, you know what I mean?

00:42:37.000 Do you do that?

00:42:38.000 Hyperbaric chamber?

00:42:39.000 I've done it before, and I do the altitude tents.

00:42:46.000 I have one in my house.

00:42:47.000 Oh, yeah?

00:42:47.000 You sleep in that?

00:42:48.000 Yeah.

00:42:49.000 Do you get your lady to sleep in there with you? 1.00

00:42:50.000 Yeah, she's not a big fan.

00:42:52.000 It's like a giant tent, and our nightstands and bed and everything fits in there.

00:42:59.000 She just can't stand the smell of it, because it smells like you're sleeping in a tent.

00:43:03.000 Oh, like vinyl?

00:43:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:43:05.000 I remember BJ Penn in one of the countdown shows, he goes, when you're gonna sleep in a big plastic tent, you know someone's gonna get their ass kicked. 1.00

00:43:15.000 Yeah, it's kind of fucked up, right? 0.99

00:43:17.000 Like sleeping in a big plastic tent just to... 0.98

00:43:20.000 But that's the only way to mimic it.

00:43:22.000 They say that's actually the best way.

00:43:23.000 That's actually even better than training at altitude.

00:43:26.000 Because training at altitude kind of limits your workload.

00:43:29.000 Right.

00:43:30.000 Whereas you really want the recovery.

00:43:32.000 There's this place in Costa Mesa that I used to go to before I got this.

00:43:36.000 And I probably will start going back to it because it was really good.

00:43:38.000 It's called Ascent and the product is called CVAC. And it's this altitude chamber that...

00:43:45.000 It looks like a jet plane cockpit.

00:43:48.000 Ian uses it a lot too.

00:43:49.000 Yeah, Ian McCall.

00:43:50.000 It was designed by the guy that invented the MRI machine.

00:43:54.000 And it's actually, the purpose behind it was to cure diabetes or treat diabetes with circulation problems or something.

00:44:01.000 But they're in the process of getting it...

00:44:05.000 Licensed or whatever to where they could, was it approved by the FDA? Diabetes, huh?

00:44:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:10.000 Something about, they get people that have like, you know how people have diabetes, their feet turn purple because their fucking blood flow is all fucked up. 0.97

00:44:18.000 They put people on this machine and they'll like, After a couple treatments, their feet get regular colored again. 0.97

00:44:23.000 But the way it works is it takes you to way higher altitude.

00:44:29.000 My home goes to like 16,000 feet. 0.96

00:44:31.000 This will go all the way to like 33,000 feet or some shit. 0.94

00:44:34.000 Like Everest. 0.97

00:44:35.000 Everest.

00:44:35.000 And it goes up and down.

00:44:37.000 So in a 20-minute session, it goes, based on what program it is, maybe Everest to back down to zero like 100 times in 20 minutes.

00:44:45.000 While you're in there, it's constantly dropping.

00:44:47.000 The pressure's filling up and dropping because the guy found that Your body goes through more of a metabolic change during the change of altitude as opposed to like what we've known is you go and you stay there for eight hours or however long and then you come back down to train. 0.98

00:45:01.000 So this is constantly going up and down, up and down, up and down and your body's like what the fuck, what Fuck, and that's supposed to create more red blood cells or circulation. 0.99

00:45:08.000 Really? 0.99

00:45:09.000 Can you get one of those for a gym?

00:45:11.000 You can.

00:45:12.000 They have, I think there's like 15 in the U.S. Really?

00:45:16.000 Crazy expensive, I'm sure.

00:45:17.000 Oh, sure.

00:45:18.000 Yeah, I think you could definitely do that.

00:45:19.000 You could hit up Ascent in Costa Mesa, yeah.

00:45:23.000 Demo?

00:45:23.000 Is there a demo for this?

00:45:25.000 They have a video, Jamie? 0.99

00:45:27.000 That looks like you're going to launch into the fucking universe in that thing. 0.98

00:45:30.000 A lot of fighters use it. 0.98

00:45:31.000 A lot of triathletes are using it down there.

00:45:34.000 It's really good stuff.

00:45:35.000 I just stopped doing it because it was so...

00:45:37.000 With my schedule and training here and there and everywhere else, driving all the way to Costa Mesa and back every day was tough.

00:45:42.000 If you had one in the yard, though, you'd probably jump in that pitch every day, right?

00:45:45.000 Every day.

00:45:46.000 I'd sleep in that thing.

00:45:46.000 Crank this up, Jamie.

00:45:47.000 Let me hear this.

00:45:48.000 I want to hear what they have to say.

00:45:50.000 Creating lower pressure and thinner air, just like you'd get on a day of skiing up in Aspen.

00:45:55.000 Athletes get an increase in VO2 max, peripheral vision, quicker reaction, endurance, power.

00:46:05.000 The CVAC people say the body's response is to increase its blood volume, but that they still haven't studied the effects enough to say for sure.

00:46:13.000 I decided to get into the thing and try out a typical session.

00:46:17.000 Am I going to get injured in this thing? 1.00

00:46:19.000 Pussy. 1.00

00:46:20.000 Get in there. 1.00

00:46:21.000 Like your ears will pop like shit. 1.00

00:46:22.000 Really? 1.00

00:46:23.000 It fucking hurts. 0.99

00:46:23.000 It takes like four or five sessions to get used to it. 0.99

00:46:27.000 Wow.

00:46:27.000 And my coach would notice a big difference.

00:46:29.000 And the biggest difference that I noticed from that, from using the altitude tent, was like...

00:46:34.000 The fog of sparring or being in a fight, everything kind of slowed down.

00:46:39.000 It just seemed more focused.

00:46:40.000 I'd find myself checking out the guy's tattoos.

00:46:44.000 And my coach would notice a big difference, like two sessions in there, and he'd be like, you've been using that machine, huh?

00:46:48.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:46:49.000 Really?

00:46:50.000 Wow.

00:46:50.000 Because, I mean, as a smoker, Joe, I've got to do everything I can.

00:46:55.000 So that was a regular part of six or seven of my fights I was going down there. 1.00

00:46:59.000 No shit, man. 0.99

00:47:00.000 You gotta get back in there, dude. 1.00

00:47:02.000 Yeah, I really do.

00:47:03.000 Oh, look at these.

00:47:04.000 His ears are popping.

00:47:05.000 Yeah, so you're constantly in there just popping ears, popping ears, popping ears. 0.97

00:47:09.000 Yeah, this is fucking cool. 1.00

00:47:10.000 The fucking cap, it'll crush. 1.00

00:47:13.000 The fucking cap will go shooting off. 1.00

00:47:17.000 The water bottle just like a gorilla smushed it. 0.99

00:47:25.000 What I literally loved about it is there was only like 12, I think, in the US. I knew when I was in there that my opponent wasn't using that shit. 0.99

00:47:31.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:47:33.000 That's what people feel like when they do steroids.

00:47:38.000 Essentially, yeah.

00:47:38.000 Did we talk about the cryo chamber last time you were there?

00:47:41.000 Yeah, you referred me.

00:47:42.000 I went down to it one day.

00:47:43.000 It was cool.

00:47:43.000 It was real cool.

00:47:44.000 There's one out here now.

00:47:46.000 There's one right down the street. 1.00

00:47:47.000 You're fucking living in that shit. 1.00

00:47:49.000 How many times today have you been in that? 1.00

00:47:50.000 I haven't been yet.

00:47:50.000 It just opened.

00:47:51.000 It hasn't even had a hard opening yet.

00:47:54.000 They've just done a soft opening.

00:47:55.000 Same company, though.

00:47:56.000 Cryo Healthcare.

00:47:57.000 That's where you went, right?

00:47:58.000 That's amazing, isn't it?

00:47:59.000 It was really cool.

00:48:00.000 It was really cool. 0.98

00:48:00.000 Cold as fuck, but when you get out, don't you feel like you can jump over the moon? 0.98

00:48:03.000 Yeah, it was like fucking... 0.99

00:48:05.000 I tried to describe it in text and I was like, I didn't sound fucking right at all. 0.98

00:48:08.000 Like when you're in there and I would like take a deep breath, it's almost like a head rush. 0.98

00:48:12.000 Like the fucking cold air going in. 0.99

00:48:14.000 It was almost like a whippet. 1.00

00:48:15.000 It was cool. 0.98

00:48:16.000 The whole thing was fucking cool. 0.65

00:48:17.000 It was cool. 0.73

00:48:18.000 Next on my list, I want to try one of those, uh, the float labs.

00:48:22.000 Tell me when.

00:48:23.000 You tell me when.

00:48:24.000 You can use mine at my house.

00:48:25.000 Yeah.

00:48:25.000 Come on over, dude.

00:48:26.000 You tell me when.

00:48:27.000 All right.

00:48:27.000 Whenever.

00:48:27.000 Whenever you're free.

00:48:28.000 Well, let's set up a date soon and come on over to the house.

00:48:32.000 You can have dinner.

00:48:33.000 And then I'll leave you down there for a few hours.

00:48:35.000 Cool.

00:48:36.000 And come on up and you'll freak out.

00:48:37.000 That's awesome.

00:48:39.000 My buddy told me about it and it's like a hallucinogenic kind of thing?

00:48:42.000 Well, sorta.

00:48:43.000 And then I've heard people using it for training.

00:48:45.000 Yeah, well, it's great for training.

00:48:46.000 You know, it's great for problem solving, too.

00:48:49.000 I use it for, like, if I have a joke that I'm working on that's not working well, I'll go in there and I'll sort it out. 0.96

00:48:54.000 I'm like, fuck, there's gotta be an angle for this joke. 0.82

00:48:56.000 I could sit down and look at a keyboard and maybe think about it, but I feel like my mind has more resources when I'm in the tank. 0.98

00:49:05.000 And the reason being is that the idea of the sensory deprivation tank was created by this guy named John Lilly.

00:49:11.000 John Lilly was this really nutty dude.

00:49:14.000 He was a psychedelic pioneer We're good to go.

00:49:34.000 From the influence of the body he was thinking that there's like my neck hurts like I got a fart you know like all these different things that are going on in your body that are Distracting the mind how could I get away from that and he came up with a bunch of different solutions One of them was you've seen that movie altered states You ever seen that movie? 0.99

00:49:53.000 It's really stupid, man. 0.97

00:49:54.000 It was great in the 80s when I saw it. 1.00

00:49:56.000 When I was a kid, I was like, this movie's great.

00:49:57.000 And it's one of the movies you watch again when you're 40. You go, what the fuck? 1.00

00:50:00.000 This movie's a piece of shit. 1.00

00:50:02.000 So many movies don't hold up, man. 1.00

00:50:04.000 It's weird.

00:50:05.000 No.

00:50:05.000 It's one of them.

00:50:06.000 It does not hold up.

00:50:07.000 But it was based on John Lilly.

00:50:09.000 That's how all the Van Damme movies were.

00:50:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:12.000 When I was like, kickboxer, it changed my life, you know? 0.98

00:50:15.000 And I saw it a couple months ago, and I was like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:50:19.000 So true! 0.99

00:50:20.000 Have you seen that little kid, before we get into the Century Deprivation tank, have you seen that little kid doing the Bruce Lee nunchuck scene? 1.00

00:50:26.000 Yeah, I saw that shit. 1.00

00:50:27.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:50:27.000 Fucking amazing. 1.00

00:50:28.000 Like four years old. 0.99

00:50:29.000 Pull this up.

00:50:29.000 We gotta watch this.

00:50:31.000 Look at this little kid.

00:50:33.000 He's wearing a Bruce Lee outfit from the Game of Death, and he's got nunchucks just like Bruce Lee's, and he's doing it in sync to Bruce Lee behind him.

00:50:44.000 That's the best part right there. 0.99

00:50:47.000 He's doing the total nunchuck move, skillful as fuck. 1.00

00:50:51.000 He's five years old, and he's doing everything exactly the way Bruce is doing it on the screen behind him. 0.99

00:50:59.000 So cool.

00:51:00.000 So cool.

00:51:03.000 This is amazing.

00:51:05.000 It's so good.

00:51:07.000 Like, first of all, this kid definitely can't read yet.

00:51:10.000 Right?

00:51:10.000 He's five.

00:51:11.000 No.

00:51:12.000 He probably hasn't even been to school yet.

00:51:14.000 Maybe a little bit of kindergarten, you know?

00:51:16.000 Yeah, pre-K, maybe.

00:51:18.000 He's got no information in his head other than this Bruce Lee scene.

00:51:21.000 That's the key.

00:51:22.000 That's the key.

00:51:23.000 And like... 0.99

00:51:24.000 And by the time that kid's 12, there will be 500 people in his life that tell him to be realistic and shoot down every imaginative thing that he has in his fucking head. 0.99

00:51:34.000 When I look at my kids, I love this. 0.99

00:51:37.000 This makes me really happy when I see that.

00:51:39.000 Yeah, me too, man.

00:51:41.000 Dana White posted this video the other day of a little girl hitting the mitts. 0.89

00:51:46.000 See if you can find that video on Dana White's Instagram.

00:51:50.000 It's this little girl. 0.99

00:51:51.000 She looks like she's maybe like six or seven years old and she's hitting the mitts and fucking technique is on point. 1.00

00:51:59.000 She's blocking and rolling and you know no kicks just punches but like God damn! 1.00

00:52:05.000 I remember when that Tap Out commercial came out a couple years ago and they had those two kids, the two little boys when they were doing all that shit. 1.00

00:52:10.000 This is the future. 0.99

00:52:12.000 Here's the video.

00:52:12.000 Watch this little girl.

00:52:13.000 This is dope!

00:52:17.000 I mean, come on, man. 0.99

00:52:19.000 This is fucking badass. 0.99

00:52:21.000 Look at the technique! 0.99

00:52:23.000 Look at her footwork, the movement. 1.00

00:52:25.000 Look at the fucking ducking! 1.00

00:52:27.000 Come on, man! 1.00

00:52:28.000 Every time she's throwing these punches, her hands are in the right position.

00:52:32.000 It's impressive.

00:52:33.000 I'm so impressed with this.

00:52:34.000 That's impressive. 1.00

00:52:36.000 You know, that girl's going to grow up to be a psycho. 1.00

00:52:39.000 You don't want to date her. 0.98

00:52:40.000 Yeah, no.

00:52:41.000 Don't date that one.

00:52:44.000 It needs to be some level of where the fight should stop, and you're like, okay.

00:52:49.000 I don't want the girl to be able to take it to the next level. 1.00

00:52:52.000 You're arguing, and she starts beating your ass. 1.00

00:52:54.000 That's not cool. 1.00

00:52:55.000 Yeah, like if you're dating Ronda Rousey, and she mounts you. 1.00

00:52:57.000 You're like, oh, listen, bitch. 1.00

00:52:58.000 You got to get off me. 1.00

00:52:59.000 No.

00:53:01.000 Leave my arm alone! 0.96

00:53:03.000 So the sensory deprivation thing, to get back to that, the way he first did it was like a scuba helmet.

00:53:09.000 He came up with a way to hook up a scuba helmet with these underarm harnesses so that you're suspended by the air and the scuba helmet and it kind of floats your body.

00:53:20.000 And then eventually you forget about the scuba helmet.

00:53:22.000 And then somewhere along the lines he realized that if you just had water that was filled with salt, That you would just float in it, sort of like the Dead Sea.

00:53:30.000 You ever see those videos of the people that go to the Dead Sea?

00:53:33.000 No, I've heard about this.

00:53:34.000 I'm hoping you can explain it to me.

00:53:35.000 So you float on the salt.

00:53:37.000 So it's packed full of salt, but the salt is buoyant?

00:53:40.000 The salt is, as long as you continue to cycle the water, the water, my pump goes on every morning.

00:53:47.000 It's on a timer.

00:53:48.000 So I get 5 o'clock in the morning.

00:53:51.000 Sometimes I'm up real early and I'll hear...

00:53:53.000 Coming down from the basement and that's the pump kicking on automatically.

00:53:57.000 And the water cycles...

00:54:00.000 Through this series of filters is huge spa filters with like the way that guy crash down at the float lab in Venice is a Mad genius this guy has done like when he first came around I found out about him Through a guy who used to repair tanks for this company called Samadhi Samadhi is the first company that I bought a tank from and they were actually in business with Lily Lily's first tank one of his first tanks was a Samadhi There's

00:54:49.000 no sound.

00:54:50.000 No heat, no sound.

00:54:51.000 It keeps the heat stable and they're much taller.

00:54:54.000 His tanks are seven feet tall and six feet wide and nine feet long.

00:54:59.000 I mean, he's a master.

00:55:00.000 The guy just figured it out.

00:55:01.000 And so this pump kicks on and it goes through all the water, cycles all the water so the water doesn't crystallize.

00:55:08.000 Because if you let it sit, the salt will eventually crystallize.

00:55:11.000 And then I've done that before.

00:55:13.000 Accidentally, the power kicked off and I didn't know about it.

00:55:16.000 A circuit blew and I had these rocks, these giant like crystals in the water just because the salt it sort of congealed because there was no heat in it anymore to keep it warm.

00:55:28.000 But as long as the water keeps cycling and as long as the water stays at a high temperature, which is around, you want to keep it, mine's at 94 degrees, which is about the same as the surface of your skin.

00:55:39.000 Oh, okay.

00:55:40.000 So, then, when you lie in it, you don't feel the water, really, because the water's the same temperature as your skin.

00:55:46.000 That's the goal.

00:55:47.000 If it's too hot, you'll start to sweat.

00:55:48.000 If it's too cold, you'll feel cold.

00:55:50.000 But if you get it just in that Goldilocks zone, then once you relax, you don't feel the water.

00:55:55.000 And half of your body, like, say, like, if you cut a person in half from the top of their head, like, sideways, like, everything above your nipples is like, that's what it looks like right there. 0.51

00:56:06.000 Perfect example.

00:56:08.000 So, in this image that we're looking at right here, this guy's floating in the water, and it's just because of the salt.

00:56:17.000 Mine's a little bit bigger than this tank, so mine has a thousand pounds of salt in it.

00:56:21.000 It's all Epsom salts, too, which is really good for your body.

00:56:24.000 Like, when I'm real sore, I take Epsom salt baths.

00:56:28.000 They're great for you.

00:56:29.000 It's something about the amount of salt in your body.

00:56:32.000 Magnesium.

00:56:33.000 Yeah, because we use it to cut weight sometimes.

00:56:35.000 Yeah.

00:56:35.000 The last couple ounces or pounds that you can't get out.

00:56:38.000 Also, if you drink it in water, you will shoot diarrhea out of your asshole in a way that you've probably never experienced in your life. 0.99

00:56:46.000 It's like a way of purging. 0.99

00:56:48.000 It's not really my top ten list of things I need to do, but all right.

00:56:52.000 Well, people do it. 1.00

00:56:53.000 If you're bored, you could shoot diarrhea out of your ass like nobody's business. 1.00

00:56:56.000 It's like a way to do an enema. 1.00

00:56:58.000 Yeah?

00:56:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:59.000 You drink a little bit of...

00:57:01.000 I mean, it's not much.

00:57:02.000 It's like a couple of tablespoons and a glass of water.

00:57:04.000 And you just...

00:57:05.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:57:08.000 You just run to that bathroom.

00:57:10.000 There's something about that salt.

00:57:11.000 It just gets in there and scrubs the inside of your colon.

00:57:14.000 Wow.

00:57:14.000 Anything that's stuck.

00:57:16.000 That's got to be pretty healthy, actually.

00:57:18.000 Maybe, maybe not.

00:57:19.000 It could be not good at all.

00:57:21.000 Have you done a colonic?

00:57:23.000 I haven't either.

00:57:24.000 I don't know about that.

00:57:26.000 I hear mixed things.

00:57:28.000 I'm sure people on Twitter will tell me now about how great it is or how awful it is.

00:57:33.000 There's another thing.

00:57:34.000 Somebody did that for the Ultimate Fighter to cut weight on one of the episodes.

00:57:38.000 Oh, that was Gabe Rudiger. 0.99

00:57:40.000 Yeah, he just probably wanted something up his ass. 0.99

00:57:42.000 Yeah, I don't know about that. 0.99

00:57:44.000 No, I'm just kidding, Gabe.

00:57:45.000 It's supposed to be good for you in some ways.

00:57:48.000 No, he's not. 0.95

00:57:49.000 Before we went on the show, before we started, Joe Rogan was talking about you gay. 1.00

00:57:52.000 He said that you're into shit like that. 1.00

00:57:54.000 I didn't say that. 1.00

00:57:56.000 Making shit up. 1.00

00:57:57.000 You're gay if you're into things in your ass. 1.00

00:57:59.000 Some dudes are straight as fuck. 1.00

00:58:00.000 They just like things in their ass. 1.00

00:58:01.000 It's up to you, folks. 1.00

00:58:03.000 It's all on you.

00:58:04.000 It's okay.

00:58:05.000 No judgment. 1.00

00:58:07.000 But the colonic thing, I have a friend who did it and he said, dude, it's like the fucking pianos were coming out of my ass. 1.00

00:58:12.000 He goes, I was finding things that I ate when I was a kid. 1.00

00:58:15.000 He said there was a pipe that was coming out, like, you know, that's attached and you could see all the things that were coming out of your ass. 0.99

00:58:22.000 And like the lady was pointing out his diet and she was like, you know, oh, you need more fiber. 1.00

00:58:26.000 And he's like, those fucking tree trunks are coming out of his ass. 1.00

00:58:29.000 Ugh. 1.00

00:58:30.000 Bark and tennis balls. 0.97

00:58:31.000 It's just ridiculous.

00:58:33.000 And you're looking through a tube at this water with all the particles. 0.92

00:58:38.000 How much weight did he drop?

00:58:40.000 I don't think Gabe... 1.00

00:58:41.000 That's the thing about taking a shit. 1.00

00:58:43.000 Shits don't weigh that much. 1.00

00:58:44.000 Piss is way heavier. 1.00

00:58:46.000 If you have to take a league to gain weight...

00:58:48.000 We learned that in wrestling. 1.00

00:58:50.000 A guy took a shit and he was like, Dude, I just took a massive shit. 1.00

00:58:52.000 I bet he lost a pound. 1.00

00:58:54.000 It looks like an ounce. 1.00

00:58:56.000 Shit is not heavy for some strange reason. 1.00

00:58:58.000 But like, if you're sick and you have diarrhea or whatever, you'll end up dehydrated like a motherfucker. 1.00

00:59:02.000 You'd drop a lot of weight. 0.99

00:59:03.000 That's dangerous.

00:59:04.000 Yeah, that's one of the ways people die from dehydration.

00:59:08.000 One of the primary ways people die from dehydration is diarrhea.

00:59:12.000 It's very dangerous.

00:59:13.000 Like certain diseases where people just get massive diarrhea, it's one of the causes of death.

00:59:21.000 It's because your body just gets so dehydrated, your electrolytes drop so low, your heart function doesn't work properly. 0.96

00:59:28.000 It's a shitty conversation. 0.98

00:59:29.000 It's a very shitty conversation. 0.99

00:59:31.000 He had a big smile on his face before he said that. 0.99

00:59:33.000 I knew it.

00:59:33.000 He was setting it up.

00:59:34.000 I saw it coming.

00:59:36.000 It's a float lab.

00:59:37.000 The float lab.

00:59:38.000 What the tank does is, first of all, it's real relaxing.

00:59:41.000 Like, your muscles loosen up.

00:59:43.000 Because you're floating, you're like in that no-gravity state, like you saw in that picture.

00:59:48.000 Everything is like, you know, nothing's pulling on it.

00:59:51.000 Like, even here when we're sitting here, you know, gravity's pulling down your spine.

00:59:55.000 And there, everything seems to, like, lengthen up and relax.

00:59:58.000 And when I get out of it, I feel so loose.

01:00:00.000 I just feel just relaxed.

01:00:03.000 And the magnesium, the salt, absorbs into your skin.

01:00:06.000 And it's Epsom salt, so it's an excellent source of magnesium.

01:00:09.000 Really healthy for your body, for muscle growth and development.

01:00:13.000 And when you're in there, you don't have any influence of your body. 0.98

01:00:20.000 Sometimes you get like an itch, but that's really just your body fucking with you. 0.86

01:00:24.000 Because your body's like, hey, there's nothing going on here. 0.75

01:00:27.000 I don't feel anything.

01:00:28.000 My nose itches. 1.00

01:00:29.000 You start telling yourself, that's your mind fucking with you. 1.00

01:00:32.000 You know, you just start, don't scratch, whatever you do. 0.98

01:00:36.000 But so the idea is that, someone told me that it simulates the same feeling as being in the womb or something?

01:00:41.000 Yeah, I've heard that too.

01:00:43.000 I wonder.

01:00:43.000 But if your mother's yelling at your father and smoking cigarettes, I bet it's different.

01:00:47.000 I think that, um...

01:00:49.000 What it does is it gives you a relaxation state that's unachievable without the tank.

01:00:55.000 Because there's no...

01:00:57.000 There's nothing touch...

01:00:59.000 It's an environment that is completely alien to the earth.

01:01:03.000 When you lie in that thing, you literally don't see anything.

01:01:07.000 You don't feel anything and you're floating, which means you feel like you're weightless.

01:01:10.000 You feel like you're flying.

01:01:11.000 It gives you the feeling, the impression of like moving through space, like you're flying through space.

01:01:18.000 It's real weird.

01:01:19.000 Right when you get in there, do you feel like different or is there like a panic that happens or like, you know?

01:01:24.000 You can.

01:01:25.000 Some people get a little claustrophobic, but you just gotta relax.

01:01:28.000 Nothing's gonna happen.

01:01:29.000 It's just like laying on the ground.

01:01:30.000 It's just the door.

01:01:33.000 The door doesn't have a latch.

01:01:34.000 You just push it.

01:01:35.000 It opens up easy.

01:01:37.000 I've done it so many times, I don't have the panic feeling anymore, but there's a weirdness to it, definitely.

01:01:41.000 You climb in there, and I squeegee it because there's always a little bit of condensation on the roof.

01:01:49.000 The inside ceiling rather of the tank.

01:01:51.000 So I squeegee that away.

01:01:53.000 Otherwise, it'll drip down your face while you're in there, which is annoying.

01:01:57.000 And then once I've done squeegeeing it, I shut the door.

01:02:00.000 I go, here we go.

01:02:01.000 I just lay back and float.

01:02:03.000 Yeah.

01:02:04.000 And you will definitely, once you do it for a while, you will definitely have trippy experiences in there.

01:02:09.000 You definitely have like some sort of strange psychedelic experiences that happen.

01:02:14.000 But also...

01:02:16.000 Real good for sorting out things.

01:02:17.000 Like, say if you're like, man, I gotta get my shit together. 0.50

01:02:20.000 Let me go in there and think about my life. 0.98

01:02:22.000 You'll go in there and you'll go, you know, I gotta stop doing this.

01:02:25.000 Or I gotta stop hanging around with this person.

01:02:28.000 Or I gotta do more of that.

01:02:30.000 Or I'm slacking off in this area.

01:02:32.000 Like, it's almost like a seminar on your life.

01:02:35.000 And if I have, like, jujitsu moves, it's great for jujitsu moves.

01:02:39.000 Like, I'll drill jujitsu moves in my mind.

01:02:42.000 And the way I'll do it is...

01:02:44.000 I'll lie in the tank, and I'll go over positions as if they're happening in real life.

01:02:48.000 Like, I'll start off slow, and like, you know, like if you were doing like flow drilling or something like that, like I'll start off, like I'll, like say, for instance, I'll do like a half guard sweep.

01:02:57.000 Like, I'll start off in half guard, I'll scoop my hips to the side, I'll fight for the underhook, I'll get the grip, I'll pull the guy in, I'll trip the leg up, I sweep, I get on top.

01:03:07.000 And then I'll do it as if it was a drill, like if you're performing a drill, but I'll do it all completely in my head.

01:03:14.000 And I'll go over the motions first slowly and then I'll do it fast and then I'll go over and then I'll do it like I'll I'll recreate like the violence of it like the explosion of it in my head I'll recreate the resistance and then once I get like one drill down then I'll have counters to the drill like I'll go into it But I'll lose the position and now I have to you know reestablish another position and when you do that like that kind of mental training and Really shows up in the gym.

01:03:43.000 Like it really recreates in the gym.

01:03:45.000 And I would imagine it would be the same with striking.

01:03:47.000 I would imagine it would be the same with tennis, with anything.

01:03:50.000 I think they've shown that recreation and visualization is as much of a factor in the development and growth as actual training is.

01:04:00.000 Absolutely.

01:04:01.000 Absolutely.

01:04:03.000 Do you do stuff like that?

01:04:04.000 Yeah, I'm into that stuff a lot.

01:04:05.000 Well, I know you're working with Vinny Shorman there, right?

01:04:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:07.000 Vinny's gonna come on the podcast.

01:04:09.000 I've been talking to Ian about it.

01:04:10.000 We're gonna work this out.

01:04:11.000 Yeah, he's coming to...

01:04:12.000 In June, he's gonna be here for a couple weeks doing, like, seminars and stuff, so...

01:04:16.000 Yeah, you were saying the last time you were here that he helped you.

01:04:20.000 Yeah.

01:04:20.000 Like, what do you guys do?

01:04:22.000 Like, and how often do you do it?

01:04:24.000 We've done a lot of stuff.

01:04:25.000 And then now it's like, it seems to be...

01:04:28.000 Every time I talk to him, it's like a new thing that he comes up with.

01:04:32.000 He's helped me so much in my life that I don't even know if it's even about fighting anymore.

01:04:38.000 He's done hypnosis on me.

01:04:40.000 He's gotten me to the point now where we call it trance, it's not even hypnosis, but he can start talking to me a certain way and I'm already in a different thing.

01:04:47.000 When I get off the phone with him, My mind's just going insane based off the conversations we had.

01:04:51.000 Really?

01:04:52.000 It's really weird.

01:04:53.000 It's an amazing guy.

01:04:55.000 Really good guy.

01:04:55.000 I can't wait to talk to him.

01:04:57.000 The mind is a motherfucker, isn't it? 1.00

01:04:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:04:59.000 It really is. 1.00

01:05:01.000 So that stuff you were just talking about right now is...

01:05:04.000 It's really interesting to me.

01:05:06.000 I've done that with my fights, you know, like, you know, watching a fight, you know, if, how do I explain it, even like blocking leg kicks, you know, when you can visualize it happening and your reaction to it, you know, in your head without actually seeing it,

01:05:23.000 or without actually doing it, I think it plays it out to be so real.

01:05:29.000 Ah, it's a good example.

01:05:30.000 So, one thing we do is, I'll focus when I when I sign a fighter we get booked for a certain date about four or five weeks out All the time when I wake up in the morning when I'm sitting on the toilet anytime I'm alone I'll I'll think about 15 minutes after I've won the fight 15 minutes after I'm thinking As high-def as possible.

01:05:54.000 The first time I'm doing it, it's not very high-def.

01:05:56.000 By the end, it's so real.

01:05:57.000 I can smell the room.

01:05:59.000 I can feel the chair I'm sitting in.

01:06:01.000 I can see my coaches' faces, who else is in there, what they're saying to me, how I feel about myself.

01:06:10.000 The idea behind it is if If you focus on 15 minutes after you've won, and you do it over a period of time, it becomes so real in your head that it's like it already happened.

01:06:21.000 And if it's already happened, how could you possibly have anxiety about something that your mind thinks already happened, you know?

01:06:26.000 Does that make sense?

01:06:28.000 But is there a possibility that...

01:06:31.000 You know that feeling that you get... 0.68

01:06:33.000 I don't know if you've experienced this I'm probably you probably have where you didn't get up for a fight because you thought that you're gonna kick this guy's ass pretty easy So you weren't nervous and then when you got in there you felt like off like you didn't you weren't Performing the way like you would be like say if you fought a guy like Artem Levin who you know top of the food chain You're you're gonna be on your toes, 1.00

01:06:56.000 you know, you're gonna be ready Whereas you're going in there, you're like, I'm gonna kick this fucking guy's ass. 0.99

01:07:00.000 And you go in there, and it just seems like, damn, I'm not firing right. 1.00

01:07:05.000 It's not... 0.94

01:07:07.000 Is that possible?

01:07:08.000 The alleviation of anxiety is like a negative in some way?

01:07:13.000 I don't know about that.

01:07:14.000 I think that it could be.

01:07:16.000 I think that what you're talking about is something that Vinny's ultimately helped me with a lot.

01:07:20.000 Because my problem is...

01:07:22.000 One of my problems...

01:07:24.000 I have so many problems.

01:07:26.000 One big problem is I always do poorly in that situation.

01:07:29.000 When I'm the favorite, I have a hard time.

01:07:45.000 Right.

01:07:47.000 No one expects you to win is when I really rise to the occasion.

01:07:51.000 When people start telling me that it's an easy fight or that I'm the favorite or whatever, I just really try and shut that out and try and convince myself that he's gonna kill me and he's a really bad guy.

01:08:02.000 I don't know if it's about not getting up for the fight or if it's...

01:08:08.000 If it's, you know, you just take the guy lightly or what it is, but I've always had issues with that in the past.

01:08:13.000 A lot of people have issues with that.

01:08:15.000 Taking a guy lightly is a huge problem, and it's real common.

01:08:19.000 And you see it in a fight, like maybe when a guy's the favorite.

01:08:23.000 Like, I'm not necessarily saying that this was the case in the Cub Swanson-Max Holloway fight.

01:08:27.000 Did you see that fight?

01:08:28.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

01:08:29.000 Great fucking fight. 1.00

01:08:30.000 Max Holloway, man, that motherfucker looked good in that fight. 1.00

01:08:33.000 Goddamn, it was an amazing performance by Holloway. 0.99

01:08:36.000 But Cub Swanson was a big favorite leading into that fight, and he just couldn't get off. 0.88

01:08:42.000 Just did not seem like he'd get off.

01:08:44.000 And I think there was probably a few issues with the way he was training.

01:08:48.000 He was doing a lot of boxing-specific training, and he even had a famous boxing coach.

01:08:54.000 I forget his name, Diaz, in his corner.

01:08:57.000 Pedro Diaz?

01:08:58.000 Yeah.

01:08:58.000 No, that's the guy from Miami?

01:09:01.000 Yeah.

01:09:01.000 No, this was the guy that trains Tim Bradley.

01:09:06.000 He works with a lot of...

01:09:09.000 I forget.

01:09:10.000 Doesn't matter.

01:09:10.000 Point is, the guy was giving him, like, boxing instruction in the corner, and I'm like, he's dealing with a guy that's kicking him, throwing elbows and flying knees and spinning back kicks his way.

01:09:20.000 Like, what the f...

01:09:21.000 You know, like, this is...

01:09:21.000 You got the wrong guy here, man.

01:09:23.000 You need a fucking Matt Hume-type character that's telling you, like, MMA-specific shit to do. 0.99

01:09:29.000 So there's probably some technical issues with the way he approached the fight, but also it just didn't seem like, if you saw him against other fighters, like Jeremy Stevens, who's a fucking murderer, you know, he's a murderer, he's fighting another murderer, these two guys are dangerous as fuck, 0.99

01:09:46.000 you know, he is sharp as shit, because it's just a deadly, dangerous fight. 0.98

01:09:50.000 Whereas Max Holloway... 0.99

01:09:52.000 You know, he had beaten some real good guys, but he was thought to be like a notch below Cub, and Cub just couldn't fucking put it together.

01:10:01.000 And, you know, you gotta say, well, it was definitely a case of Holloway rising to the occasion, fought better than he ever fought before.

01:10:07.000 You can't take nothing away from him.

01:10:09.000 But when you look at Cub, it just didn't look right.

01:10:12.000 It just couldn't...

01:10:13.000 And you've got to wonder how much of that is, him coming into that fight as a prohibited favorite.

01:10:18.000 I think he was a 3-4-1 favorite.

01:10:20.000 Well, it's like one guy is, you know, this is my big shot, this is everything.

01:10:26.000 He's focused on it 100%.

01:10:28.000 The other guy is like, oh, this is another fight.

01:10:30.000 It's still a serious fight.

01:10:31.000 I know I still have to take it seriously, but the other guy is going for greatness.

01:10:36.000 It's a weird balancing act.

01:10:39.000 So much of fighting is mental.

01:10:41.000 It's...

01:10:43.000 You can have a phenomenal camp in that last two hours before you walk out there.

01:10:46.000 It can blow it all.

01:10:48.000 That's why I work with Vinny.

01:10:51.000 We're always finding new things to work on.

01:10:54.000 I'm far from perfect, but I feel like my game has come a long way since I started working with him.

01:10:58.000 Yeah, I really think, we discussed this, I really think that mental coach is going to be just as important as having a striking coach, just as important as having a grappling coach.

01:11:07.000 I mean, you're going to have to have a mental coach.

01:11:10.000 It's going to be, just like guys have strength and conditioning guys, you know, that they work with on a regular basis, you're going to have some sort of a mental coach that you work with on a regular basis.

01:11:18.000 I think it's going to be a really, you know, it's going to be the next big thing here pretty soon.

01:11:23.000 I think so, too.

01:11:24.000 I hope it doesn't, though.

01:11:24.000 I hope I stick to just me.

01:11:26.000 No one else uses it.

01:11:28.000 Well, I would wonder if someone could do it where they have a microphone that pumps into a tank, where you lie in the sensory deprivation tank and it's mic'd up, which would be very easy to do.

01:11:39.000 And as you're lying in there, like, Crash has developed this system.

01:11:43.000 Where he actually has a screen that's in front of you as you lie down.

01:11:49.000 So as you're floating, the screen is floating above your head.

01:11:52.000 And it's so low in its light emissions that you can't see the edge.

01:11:58.000 You don't see the border of the screen.

01:11:59.000 You just see the images.

01:12:01.000 But because you're in an environment that has no light in it at all other than the screen, it's like these images are floating in the sky in front of your face.

01:12:10.000 And in doing so, he believes because you have no distractions, like no physical distractions, you're not feeling the weight, you're not feeling gravity, you're not feeling sensory input, you're not judging space around you, you're just getting the images, you'll learn things quicker.

01:12:25.000 Because your body will have no resources that it's demanding of the mind.

01:12:31.000 What's on the screen?

01:12:33.000 Different documentaries, different instructionals.

01:12:37.000 He's got one that they're working with.

01:12:39.000 I think his idea is that sports-specific stuff, like golf, I'm just going to lay in there and do like straight BJJ stuff for like a week.

01:12:57.000 Work on your half guard.

01:12:59.000 Yeah.

01:12:59.000 Work on the get-ups.

01:13:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:13:01.000 Yeah, I want you to come down to 10th Planet and learn some shit from Eddie Bravo, too, with your long legs. 0.99

01:13:07.000 I'd love to. 0.99

01:13:08.000 Like, learning some guard stuff.

01:13:10.000 Even just learning how to hold on to guys in a way where they can't hit you and they're not going to be able to get up.

01:13:17.000 You'll get stand-ups better.

01:13:19.000 Mm-hmm.

01:13:19.000 Which is a legit strategy in MMA, as long as they have stand-ups.

01:13:23.000 I don't agree with stand-ups.

01:13:25.000 I honestly think they should be removed from fighting, because I think that if you're going to have MMA, if you've got a guy that can hold you down for five minutes, that's what it is.

01:13:34.000 In five minutes from now, you're going to be able to get up, and every fight starts, every round starts standing.

01:13:39.000 So you think that people should win fights based on not fighting?

01:13:43.000 No.

01:13:43.000 But my...

01:13:45.000 I just don't think that you should win a fight, but your goal in the fight is just to nullify the fight.

01:13:50.000 If I can stop this fight from happening for three five-minute rounds, then I win. 0.99

01:13:54.000 I understand what you're saying, but I think that if a guy can take you down and hold you and control you, he's kicking your ass. 0.91

01:14:02.000 Even if he's not beating you up the way you would beat a guy up, if you had your druthers, you'd force guys to stand with you and you'd light them up. 0.95

01:14:09.000 You have a giant advantage over 99.9% of the planet in MMA when it comes to kickboxing.

01:14:15.000 Your ideal world is get these guys to just stand with you.

01:14:20.000 Hey, let's just make an agreement. 1.00

01:14:21.000 Fuck shooting. 1.00

01:14:22.000 No takedowns. 1.00

01:14:23.000 Let's just throw.

01:14:24.000 You know, you're gonna have a giant advantage.

01:14:27.000 And so other guys would say, let's just make an agreement.

01:14:29.000 No kickboxing.

01:14:30.000 Let's just see who's the better grappler. 0.99

01:14:32.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.96

01:14:33.000 But for a guy like Ben Askren, that would be a really good agreement, right? 0.98

01:14:37.000 Because he could take down most guys he fights. 1.00

01:14:40.000 Ben Askren gets a hold of guys like Douglas Lima, a fucking killer kickboxer, dangerous motherfucker. 0.99

01:14:46.000 Ben Askren just ragdolls him, ragdolls him, tosses him to the ground, and can do that consistently. 1.00

01:14:52.000 So for a guy like that...

01:14:55.000 Why would a guy like that want to stand up?

01:14:57.000 He could grab ahold of you, and you can't stop him from taking you down. 1.00

01:15:01.000 If you watch some of Askren's fights, by the time it gets to the third and fourth round, his opponents are like, fuck! 1.00

01:15:07.000 This guy's gonna take me down again, and I can't do shit! 1.00

01:15:10.000 Well, that's a fight. 0.99

01:15:11.000 I mean, he is fighting, but he's fighting you his way.

01:15:14.000 He doesn't have the kind of snap to his punches or kicks that you do.

01:15:18.000 He doesn't have the kind of arsenal of attacks when it comes to striking that a guy like you does. 0.99

01:15:23.000 But when it comes to holding motherfuckers down and giving them noogies, punching them in the face, and they can't do shit about it, that's his world. 0.98

01:15:30.000 And I think for fighting to be realistic, you've got to have guys like that as well. 0.99

01:15:35.000 Like, a lot of people didn't like Matt Brown and Johnny Hendricks, the last fight.

01:15:40.000 I loved it.

01:15:41.000 I didn't love it because I wanted Matt Brown to lose.

01:15:43.000 I loved it from a technical standpoint because you've got a guy like Johnny Hendricks, who is a decorated All-American wrestler, and it just shows you.

01:15:50.000 This is what happens when you fight a high-level wrestler like Hendricks.

01:15:55.000 It's on point. 1.00

01:15:56.000 The motherfucker's gonna take you down whenever he wants to, and he's gonna be on top, and you're gonna be eating shit sandwiches. 1.00

01:16:02.000 And that's just the way it goes. 1.00

01:16:04.000 And that's a real fight.

01:16:05.000 If you want to fight in MMA, that's a real fight.

01:16:08.000 Now, if Hendrix and Matt Brown fought in a Muay Thai fight, it'd be a completely different fight.

01:16:14.000 If Hendrix couldn't shoot for the takedown whenever he was in trouble, and he got stuck, or especially, forget Muay Thai, glory rules, where you can only grapple for five seconds, or you can only clinch for five seconds, then you've got a completely different fight.

01:16:27.000 And then you've got a fight where Matt Brown's just throwing elbows and kicks and knees and punches, and just keeps coming at you.

01:16:32.000 He's not afraid to throw a flying knee, because he's not worried about getting taken down.

01:16:35.000 He's not worried about just blasting you with leg kicks, because you can't grab his legs.

01:16:39.000 You can't trip him and throw him down and get on top of him.

01:16:41.000 You can only kickbox with him.

01:16:45.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:16:46.000 But I think that if you take the guy down and you just lay on top of him, that it's somebody's responsibility for the love of God and the fans to do something and stand him up.

01:16:58.000 Or like, you know, my last fight, you know, the referee's like, you guys got improved position or I'm going to stand you up.

01:17:03.000 I'm like, okay. 1.00

01:17:04.000 Yeah, stand me up, bitch. 1.00

01:17:05.000 I'm going to stand you up. 1.00

01:17:06.000 All right.

01:17:08.000 We're going to stand you up. 0.99

01:17:09.000 And I'm like, are you going to fucking stand us up or not? 0.99

01:17:11.000 You know, he's clenching against the fence. 0.98

01:17:13.000 I mean, I think I agree with you.

01:17:15.000 And that's, I mean, the way I obviously have to look at it is that I have to be able to stop him from doing that.

01:17:21.000 I mean, that's the reality is I can't allow these guys to continuously do this because let's face it, that's what people are going to do.

01:17:27.000 But I think that on the scorecards, if one guy gets dropped and then lays on top of you for three minutes, and then, you know, who wins that round?

01:17:35.000 The guy that drops the other guy clean with a punch or the one that lays on top?

01:17:38.000 You're talking about your specific fight.

01:17:40.000 My specific fight.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, well, if you want to judge damage...

01:17:42.000 I mean, mine's the only one that matters, Joe.

01:17:45.000 Especially that one, right?

01:17:46.000 Yeah.

01:17:46.000 If you want to judge damage, for sure you won that round.

01:17:49.000 And you won that fight if you want to judge damage.

01:17:51.000 But the problem is they don't just judge damage.

01:17:54.000 They also judge control.

01:17:56.000 He didn't do anything to you once he got you down.

01:17:58.000 I mean, he stayed active, but there was no moments where, like, you were in trouble. 0.90

01:18:01.000 The moment where you hit him and dropped him was the most significant moment of that fight by far, because the dude's consciousness was wobbled, his fucking legs gave out, he was on Queer Street, he was in deep shit, but he was able to clinch up with you and was able to turn into a grappling match and survive. 0.66

01:18:18.000 So when you look at it damage-wise, yeah, that was the closest to him losing consciousness, for sure. 0.99

01:18:24.000 But MMA is about a bunch of shit. 0.99

01:18:26.000 It's about controlling the moments. 1.00

01:18:28.000 See, I personally think that Pride had it right.

01:18:32.000 I agree.

01:18:33.000 I think they had the best rules.

01:18:34.000 I like the yellow cards.

01:18:36.000 I don't like...

01:18:37.000 I don't like fighters being punished financially.

01:18:40.000 I don't agree with the yellow cards as far as taking 10% of your purse. 0.99

01:18:43.000 I think that's bullshit. 0.70

01:18:45.000 But I do think that some stalling, like if guys are just running away and they're not doing something, you should be able to penalize them maybe a percentage of a point. 0.98

01:18:55.000 Like maybe instead of a full point deduction, maybe it's a percentage of a point and all that.

01:19:00.000 Because I think the scoring system, 10-point scoring system is retarded. 1.00

01:19:03.000 The only reason it exists is because it exists for boxing.

01:19:06.000 And it kind of works for boxing.

01:19:07.000 It's a good system for boxing.

01:19:09.000 But when you have MMA and you're dealing with takedowns, submission attempts, kicks, punches, elbows, knees, I mean...

01:19:16.000 Most people, if you don't know, if you've never watched Muay Thai, Muay Thai is judged very different than MMA and very different than boxing.

01:19:25.000 Like, the clinch in Muay Thai is very important.

01:19:28.000 Controlling the clinch is one of the most important things.

01:19:30.000 Kicks are judged very highly in Muay Thai.

01:19:33.000 I think the problem with Muay Thai in the U.S. is that it's refereed by Steve Mazzagati and other people that do, you know, the same guys.

01:19:41.000 Like, if you watch a Muay Thai fight in Thailand, the referee actually knows what's going on in the clinch. 0.87

01:19:46.000 And if there's not shit going on in the clinch, they break you. 0.63

01:19:48.000 But Steve Mazzagati will let you hold on me when I fought Simon. 0.98

01:19:52.000 I was talking to Steve.

01:19:54.000 Like, Steve, are you going to break us?

01:19:56.000 And he would just hold me against the rope for a long, long, long period of time.

01:19:59.000 And he does that consistently.

01:20:02.000 You need like a Paulo Tocha guy or something like that.

01:20:05.000 Like someone who's been...

01:20:06.000 Maybe not him.

01:20:07.000 No, not Paulo Tocha.

01:20:08.000 You know what I'm saying.

01:20:12.000 Next topic.

01:20:13.000 He's always been nice to me.

01:20:15.000 But you know what I'm saying, like someone who's maybe competed in Muay Thai, someone who's been around for a long time, someone understands Muay Thai.

01:20:22.000 I mean, I think that goes in anything.

01:20:23.000 The people that are judging and the people that are refereeing in any sport should know what the hell they're doing.

01:20:30.000 Unquestionably.

01:20:30.000 That's important in any sport.

01:20:33.000 I might sit here and complain about my fight.

01:20:36.000 I really don't care.

01:20:36.000 Who was the referee?

01:20:39.000 Beltran.

01:20:41.000 Yeah, he's good.

01:20:42.000 He's good.

01:20:42.000 Mike's good.

01:20:43.000 Mike's very good.

01:20:44.000 But three judges, three different scorecards.

01:20:46.000 Mmm, that's a problem.

01:20:48.000 Yeah.

01:20:48.000 The one deciding scorecard, all three rounds to my opponent.

01:20:51.000 That doesn't make sense.

01:20:52.000 Right.

01:20:53.000 Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

01:20:54.000 That's incorrect.

01:20:54.000 What frustrates me about that situation is, like, I have to look at my record and deal with it.

01:20:59.000 I have to deal with the consequences pay-wise, sponsor-wise, whatever, you know, if I don't do my job.

01:21:04.000 Regardless of anybody else.

01:21:05.000 If I don't do my job, there's consequences.

01:21:08.000 And all of the athletic commissions on a regular basis, there's constantly mistakes and there's constantly people not doing their jobs correctly and there's no consequences for them.

01:21:17.000 There's never anything but the fighter that has to deal with it.

01:21:22.000 Manny Pacquiao's fight with Timothy Bradley.

01:21:25.000 What was the consequence to that?

01:21:27.000 Well, one of the women who was a very controversial judge in that stopped judging because of that fight. 1.00

01:21:36.000 And there was one other fight that she judged as well where there was a lot of speculation about...

01:21:42.000 Whether or not there was corruption involved or just incompetence, which is just speculation.

01:21:47.000 No one knows.

01:21:48.000 But she had a series of really ridiculous scorecards on championship-level fights. 0.99

01:21:54.000 Where you're like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:21:55.000 First of all, especially in boxing. 1.00

01:21:59.000 Boxing has been around for fucking hundreds of years.

01:22:03.000 We're not talking about MMA, where there's just really not that many people that are really good practitioners and all the various martial arts that understand all the different positions. 0.98

01:22:12.000 When you watch in boxing, it's pretty goddamn clear-cut.

01:22:15.000 There's punching, there's movement, there's defense. 0.98

01:22:17.000 That's it.

01:22:18.000 That's all it is.

01:22:19.000 Like this Floyd and Mayweather fight.

01:22:22.000 What did you think about that fight?

01:22:23.000 I thought it was exactly what I thought was going to happen.

01:22:25.000 Me too.

01:22:26.000 And I'm not the person that hates...

01:22:28.000 What drives me nuts is how many people have no clue about boxing and are all over the internet now complaining and saying their side of the story.

01:22:36.000 The fact is Mayweather is the best in the world of defense and not getting hit and hitting you and not getting hit.

01:22:41.000 And the reason this fight was so interesting to everybody is they thought that Manny Pacquiao was going to do something different than what had happened in 48 other Mayweather's fights.

01:22:50.000 And it didn't happen and everyone's pissed off at Mayweather about it. 0.98

01:22:52.000 It's like, that's the same shit he's done his whole career. 0.99

01:22:55.000 What? 1.00

01:22:55.000 You should be mad at Pacquiao. 1.00

01:22:57.000 But the scorecards were messed up.

01:22:59.000 They mismarked the scorecards.

01:23:01.000 You saw this?

01:23:02.000 No!

01:23:02.000 Yeah, they...

01:23:04.000 They thought that Mayweather was in the blue corner or the red corner or whatever.

01:23:08.000 What?

01:23:08.000 Yeah, they came out and they still gave it to Mayweather.

01:23:13.000 They had the scores correctly, but it was marked red versus blue.

01:23:16.000 It's on the internet.

01:23:17.000 Oh, so they marked the wrong corner, but they were still judging for Mayweather. 0.99

01:23:22.000 Yeah, well, there's a lot of fucking shitty people that are involved in every sport. 0.99

01:23:27.000 You're always going to have that. 1.00

01:23:28.000 There's definitely a lot of shitty boxing judges. 1.00

01:23:31.000 I just think that having a shitty boxing judge is almost less excusable than having a shitty MMA judge because there are so many fucking boxing fans. 0.98

01:23:40.000 There are so many guys that have been doing it for so long. 0.97

01:23:43.000 And if you listen to, like, Harold Letterman on HBO, I very rarely disagree with that guy.

01:23:48.000 I listen to his scorecards.

01:23:50.000 It makes sense.

01:23:51.000 I hear what he's saying.

01:23:52.000 You know, the same Steve Farhood.

01:23:54.000 Is that the guy's name that does it for Showtime?

01:23:56.000 I think?

01:23:57.000 I think that's his name.

01:23:58.000 I think so.

01:23:59.000 Sounds good.

01:24:00.000 The Showtime guys, same thing.

01:24:02.000 They disagree on a round or two here or there, but their points are on...

01:24:07.000 They know boxing. 0.99

01:24:08.000 They understand what the fuck is happening. 0.98

01:24:11.000 They're appreciating everything that's going down while you're watching a fight. 0.98

01:24:15.000 You're telling me you can't find nine, ten of those guys that only judge championship fights?

01:24:19.000 Those are the only guys ever.

01:24:20.000 Here's the list.

01:24:22.000 These are the best in the world.

01:24:23.000 At judging boxing, when you have a boxing match, these are the only guys that should be able to judge.

01:24:28.000 Yeah, it's just...

01:24:29.000 There's a reason there's three judges.

01:24:32.000 It's because if one of you makes a mistake, the other two will fix it.

01:24:34.000 But to have three judges have three completely different scorecards, what are we doing here?

01:24:39.000 You know what I think we should do, too?

01:24:41.000 Because of the fact that we have the internet today, I think there should be a panel of experts that you just have that are floating online.

01:24:49.000 Like, say, like, you know, pick out a bunch of guys, like a guy from Bloody Elbow, a guy from SB Nation, a guy from Sure Dog.

01:24:58.000 Have, like, a bunch of guys who are real, legit fans, journalists, guys who have been doing it for a long time, and have that be, like, a fourth judge.

01:25:07.000 Mm-hmm.

01:25:07.000 Like, say if you're in a situation where you got a close fight, have the three people calling at ringside, and then the one group of people that agree online.

01:25:17.000 Say maybe 80% of them agree that this guy won.

01:25:21.000 And that should count in the scoring system.

01:25:25.000 I think having three people is not enough people.

01:25:28.000 I think you should have a bunch of people that judge a fight.

01:25:30.000 And then you get to a point where it's like, okay, you could question, or you're going to...

01:25:35.000 What do you call it?

01:25:36.000 Like, appeal the decision or whatever.

01:25:38.000 Nobody ever wins, though.

01:25:38.000 Nobody ever wins, but the reason they don't win is the same reason why the police never get charged with murder when they kill people.

01:25:44.000 It's because they protect their own.

01:25:46.000 The head of the athletic commission writes you a letter and says, yes, you made valid points, but we need to support Our people, because they don't want to say that our guy screwed up.

01:25:54.000 So the fighter has to eat it.

01:25:57.000 That is a real issue.

01:25:59.000 And that's messed up.

01:26:00.000 It should be some sort of...

01:26:02.000 If you make a mistake, you have to pay for the consequences or own up to it.

01:26:06.000 But it's like when the judges or the athletic commission makes a mistake, it's the fighter that suffers from it.

01:26:12.000 It has to deal with the consequences.

01:26:13.000 I just think it's wrong.

01:26:14.000 There was a real issue with that with the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

01:26:17.000 They ousted the Athletic Commission chamber.

01:26:19.000 The head of the Athletic Commission is gone.

01:26:22.000 One of my fights, I got swept what was questionably an illegal sweep, and I got slammed on my head, and the referee didn't see it, and let me stand up walking the wrong way, and then I got teed off on.

01:26:35.000 And they called it a knockout.

01:26:37.000 And I appealed to the athletic commission.

01:26:38.000 I had three different videos with footage of showing that it was an illegal sweep and that the referee wasn't paying attention.

01:26:43.000 It was like, no way, I'm not winning this one.

01:26:46.000 And Kaiser wrote us a letter saying, you know, although you made very good points, we need to support our athletic commission.

01:26:52.000 And nothing happened.

01:26:53.000 Yeah, he's the dude that wasn't gonna bring him up by name.

01:26:55.000 I don't think he's a bad guy either, but Kizer's a politician, you know, and that's why he got ousted.

01:27:02.000 And then my next fight, I score a knockdown and a jab in the first round, and then the scorecards come out, and two of the judges didn't count the knockdown.

01:27:10.000 It just didn't count the eight...

01:27:12.000 The eight point must system.

01:27:14.000 What?

01:27:14.000 He won by one, or I lost, he won by one point.

01:27:18.000 It was like, where's the, I forget what the score was, but there was no way he could have scored that many points if they would count the knockdown.

01:27:25.000 That was in Nevada. 0.98

01:27:27.000 Yeah, there's a lot of shady shit going on when it comes to judging. 0.89

01:27:30.000 Just the idea that, what drives me crazy is the idea that someone who is not a practitioner, doesn't understand what's happening, has never really been punched in the face probably their whole life, can judge a pro kickboxing bout. 0.95

01:27:42.000 Right.

01:27:43.000 That's bananas.

01:27:44.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:27:45.000 Like, how'd that guy get that gig?

01:27:47.000 Especially jujitsu and MMA. Because if you don't understand what the fuck... 0.99

01:27:52.000 Like, say if a fight goes to the ground and the guy on the bottom is threatening with submissions and the referee, or the judge rather, doesn't score it for him because he doesn't understand how close the guy was to getting tapped. 0.98

01:28:03.000 Yeah, the guy on the bottom has a knee bar, but he's on the bottom, or an ankle lock, or whatever it is.

01:28:08.000 But he's on the bottom, but he's almost got it, you know, and the guy's wincing in pain, but he's on top.

01:28:11.000 But the other... 0.99

01:28:13.000 All they can see is the guy's ass from the other side. 0.99

01:28:15.000 They don't know. 0.99

01:28:15.000 So that guy wins the round because he held you about him for two rounds. 0.99

01:28:18.000 Well, we had a fight for those judges to get screens, for them to get monitors to watch the fights. 0.99

01:28:25.000 Yeah, I asked you about that last time.

01:28:26.000 That's really important.

01:28:27.000 Yeah, we had a fight for that.

01:28:28.000 That was big. 0.98

01:28:29.000 Because I'll tell you, man, I don't see a lot of shit that's happening, and I'm fucking as close as anybody alive. 0.98

01:28:34.000 I'm right there. 0.99

01:28:35.000 I'm touching the floor next to the cage with my hands while the fight's going on, and sometimes I can't see shit. 0.98

01:28:40.000 Well, it's 30 feet across through the inside of the cage, right? 0.98

01:28:43.000 I think the cage is too big, too.

01:28:45.000 We used to use a smaller one for the WEC and for the hard rock fights.

01:28:51.000 We used to do fights at the hard rock and we'd be in a smaller cage.

01:28:53.000 I like that one better.

01:28:54.000 I think it forces guys.

01:28:55.000 I mean, you can still move.

01:28:56.000 It's not like you're fighting in a phone booth, but the idea that you could literally run.

01:29:01.000 I mean, you could sprint away from a guy in the octagon.

01:29:05.000 It's so big.

01:29:06.000 Yeah.

01:29:07.000 I mean, they're greedy.

01:29:08.000 Don't they want more seats in the arena? 0.90

01:29:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:29:10.000 Just shrink that bitch up, put some more fucking seats. 1.00

01:29:13.000 Why do they do it? 1.00

01:29:14.000 I don't know.

01:29:16.000 I have no idea.

01:29:16.000 I don't know.

01:29:17.000 Maybe it looks more grand or something like that.

01:29:19.000 I really don't understand it.

01:29:20.000 The smaller cage is plenty big.

01:29:23.000 It's still really big.

01:29:23.000 I think the Bellator cage is smaller.

01:29:25.000 I think yours is 30. I think ours is 25. What do you want to say?

01:29:29.000 Bellator's better?

01:29:30.000 I think Bellator's better. 0.99

01:29:31.000 What do you think about this Reebok sponsorship shit that's going down? 0.98

01:29:34.000 This is a big deal right now in MMA that Reebok is the official sponsor for the UFC. Fighters can't have independent sponsors when they walk into the cage now. 0.99

01:29:43.000 And financially, it seems to be a huge disaster for the fighters.

01:29:47.000 I think that I'm glad I fight for Bellator and you can sponsor me for Bellator if you'd like.

01:29:51.000 And do you have management that they can contact for said sponsorship?

01:29:55.000 You can contact Michael Kogan.

01:29:56.000 Oh, there you go.

01:29:58.000 He told me to say hello to you.

01:29:59.000 Oh, tell me what's up.

01:30:00.000 Yeah, I think whenever you see these guys complaining and talking about the difference in the amount of pay that they're getting, that's not good.

01:30:11.000 It's not good.

01:30:13.000 All that stuff had to be worked out, I think, should have been worked out in advance.

01:30:17.000 It's great to have a big sponsor like Reebok involved, but not if the fighters have to suffer.

01:30:23.000 Yeah, I think it's just when it came out, it was...

01:30:25.000 I think everyone kind of saw this coming.

01:30:27.000 Tim Kennedy did a tweet today, and he said he was getting $2,500 or something for his...

01:30:31.000 And that's the only sponsor that you're allowed to have, you know?

01:30:35.000 Well, Brennan Schaub said he would be getting $10,000, but every single fight that he had before this, he was getting more than...

01:30:42.000 He was getting six figures, is what he said.

01:30:45.000 So, I mean, at least $100,000.

01:30:46.000 I don't know how much six figures could mean as much as $900,000.

01:30:50.000 For every fight.

01:30:51.000 So six figures for every fight and then now he's making 10 grand.

01:30:56.000 That's a big hit.

01:30:57.000 Yeah, it's huge.

01:30:58.000 It's huge.

01:30:59.000 And it's based off the ranking, you know, so I guess if Chris Weidman is going to get more money than that.

01:31:05.000 Well, even the champs get 40 grand.

01:31:08.000 The champs, the best guys in the world get 40 grand.

01:31:11.000 That doesn't seem like enough to me.

01:31:12.000 No, it doesn't seem right.

01:31:16.000 Look, I'm not a businessman. 0.98

01:31:17.000 I'd be the shittiest businessman in the world.

01:31:19.000 If I owned the UFC, the UFC would probably be filing for bankruptcy right now.

01:31:23.000 I would never have gotten it to where it is.

01:31:26.000 I would never have done any of the smart moves that these guys have done. 1.00

01:31:29.000 I'm an idiot when it comes to business. 0.98

01:31:34.000 I just don't like when I see fighters suffering financially. 1.00

01:31:38.000 I don't like it at all.

01:31:40.000 It's just a really weird thing.

01:31:42.000 It's great for Bellator and the guys at Bellator because all of those sponsors that can no longer sponsor in the UFC. Got to go somewhere in June and July.

01:31:51.000 What do you think about a fighter's union?

01:31:52.000 I mean, I was going back and forth with John Fitch about that today.

01:31:56.000 And John Fitch, actually, he posted something.

01:31:58.000 Let me pull it up.

01:32:01.000 I was really surprised to tell what an intelligent guy John Fitch is.

01:32:04.000 I saw some of the videos he posted of him talking politics.

01:32:08.000 I was like, God, I wish I could speak that well.

01:32:11.000 Yeah, he's a very smart dude.

01:32:15.000 I posted something about MMA being illegal in New York.

01:32:20.000 There was an article that was posted about New York being the corruption capital of America.

01:32:26.000 More corruption in New York than anywhere else.

01:32:30.000 And when I posted it, John Fitch said, He said, no.

01:32:35.000 The reason MMA is illegal in New York is because of Zufa's treatment of employees, both fighters and hotel workers, which is not really true.

01:32:44.000 Even if you disagree with the way UFC treats fighters or hotel workers.

01:32:50.000 And when they say hotel workers, they don't mean like...

01:32:52.000 I recant my intelligent comment.

01:32:53.000 I'm just kidding.

01:32:54.000 I think he's just saying that because he's upset.

01:32:57.000 I don't think he's not happy with the way a lot of things went down.

01:33:03.000 I think it's old school boxing politics.

01:33:06.000 It is, 100%.

01:33:07.000 It's the Boxing Commission in New York.

01:33:10.000 They have no other athletic commission as far as kickboxing.

01:33:13.000 They don't sanction kickboxing there either.

01:33:15.000 They have...

01:33:16.000 You know, their own sanctioning body that's not a state-run thing in New York.

01:33:21.000 Yes.

01:33:22.000 So there's no...

01:33:23.000 You know, the benefit of having an athletic commission as a fighter is that you're guaranteed to get paid.

01:33:27.000 You're guaranteed to have health insurance for the fight if you get hurt or whatnot.

01:33:32.000 And when it's not through the state, you know, the IKF, the...

01:33:37.000 Any letters you want to put together, you don't have that same confidence.

01:33:42.000 In New York, it's only boxing.

01:33:44.000 You have the WKA when you fight in New York, and a lot of states that are too small to have the athletic commission.

01:33:52.000 Boxing has been huge in New York for eternity, and that's what they want.

01:33:56.000 It's also the culinary union.

01:33:57.000 The culinary union, when he was talking about hotel workers, what he's talking about is the culinary, the UFC, this is the long and short of it, the UFC is owned by Zufa.

01:34:06.000 Zufa also owns, the people that own Zufa also own station casinos.

01:34:11.000 They own 20 plus casinos in Vegas and they're non-union.

01:34:14.000 The employees voted for them to be non-union.

01:34:18.000 The union wanted to turn union because if it was union, they'd make somewhere around $15 million a year just from the station casinos.

01:34:25.000 So they've had this campaign for years to try to get the UFC to acquiesce and become union casino, station casino, union casino.

01:34:35.000 So they have this smear campaign against the UFC. And so that's what he's saying.

01:34:39.000 When he's saying hotel workers, that's what he means.

01:34:40.000 He doesn't mean like the UFC shows up and starts beating up hotel workers.

01:34:43.000 How does he know all this stuff?

01:34:45.000 That's amazing to me.

01:34:46.000 Tim Kennedy, my Twitter got hacked yesterday.

01:34:49.000 He can say that without any irony whatsoever.

01:34:53.000 That's hilarious.

01:34:57.000 I love Tim Kennedy. 1.00

01:34:58.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 0.99

01:35:00.000 So John Fitch posted about this thing, MMAFA, Mixed Martial Arts Fighters Association. 1.00

01:35:08.000 MMAFA is on Twitter.

01:35:10.000 There's, I guess, a guy named Rob Macy, M-A-Y-S-E-Y. He must be in charge of it.

01:35:17.000 And I don't think it's a bad idea to have some sort of an organization that looks out for...

01:35:24.000 For fighters and I also think that it's it's super important to have something like Bellator like that is owned by Viacom that starts to come up in the public's consciousness and become bigger and bigger and Have more competition.

01:35:38.000 Yeah, I think competition is it's the best The only way you get a fight like Manny Pacquiao versus Floyd Mayweather is you have two bad motherfuckers who are on rival promotions, they get together, and Showtime and HBO both got together and said, listen, let's make some money. 0.97

01:35:53.000 Let's put this fucking thing together. 0.97

01:35:54.000 These are the two biggest fighters in the world. 0.99

01:35:56.000 You're gonna make 4.5 million pay-per-view buys. 0.98

01:36:00.000 I mean, that's fucking insane. 0.97

01:36:02.000 At a hundred bucks. 0.99

01:36:03.000 And nothing like that exists in MMA. And if Bellator had a champion, If you become champion at Bellator at 185 pounds and it builds up where you're knocking dudes dead and then whoever is in the UFC at the same time,

01:36:19.000 Weidman or Vitor or Jacare or whoever the fuck it is, if it builds up In the public's consciousness, like, this fight has to happen.

01:36:27.000 It has to take place. 0.91

01:36:27.000 Well, the UFC did with Pride years ago, right? 0.91

01:36:29.000 Yes.

01:36:29.000 Well, sort of.

01:36:30.000 Sort of.

01:36:31.000 Tried to, didn't really work.

01:36:32.000 I mean, they tried to make an agreement with Pride.

01:36:35.000 And, you know, the UFC sent Chuck Liddell over there.

01:36:38.000 And then, you know, Pride was supposed to send some fighters over here, but it never happened.

01:36:42.000 They brought over Vanderlei.

01:36:43.000 And Vanderlei and Chuck, you know, had that stare down, the octagon.

01:36:46.000 But it wasn't until years later, when Pride was purchased by the UFC, that the fighters actually came over.

01:36:52.000 Right. 0.98

01:36:52.000 It was mostly some Japanese fuckery. 0.98

01:36:55.000 I heard there's a lot of fuckery back then. 1.00

01:36:56.000 Yeah, there's a lot of slickness. 0.98

01:36:58.000 Those guys are slick.

01:36:59.000 I mean, not in a good way, but they made a lot of money doing that.

01:37:03.000 You know what the whole Pride UFC thing happened?

01:37:06.000 Do you know the story behind it?

01:37:08.000 The UFC purchased Pride for $65 million.

01:37:11.000 When they got it, they realized that all their contracts were invalid.

01:37:13.000 They were all illegal.

01:37:15.000 All they had was a library.

01:37:17.000 They essentially had a library of DVDs and tapes, which, good luck making $65 million off of that.

01:37:24.000 And so then they tried to sell it or tried to sue them, and that didn't really...

01:37:31.000 Work I mean good luck trying to sue someone in Japan, right?

01:37:35.000 You know you gotta keep flying over to Japan every couple weeks for court dates and yeah, and on top of that just good extension Yeah, while they were While they bought pride they were gonna keep the pride office open and have like, you know They were gonna start running pride events in Japan and they realize how much How hard it is to do.

01:37:52.000 It's not easy.

01:37:53.000 It's not like you would do an event in New Mexico.

01:37:57.000 It's a totally different country.

01:37:59.000 They have completely different laws, completely different customs.

01:38:02.000 And the people that were working for them, while they had an office running, the people who were working for them started putting together Dream.

01:38:10.000 So then they put together their own MMA organization and started putting on their own fights. 0.99

01:38:17.000 It's fucking chaos. 0.99

01:38:19.000 So they just had bad contracts? 1.00

01:38:20.000 Or the contract just was legally shit? 0.96

01:38:22.000 That's why Fedor never came to the UFC initially. 1.00

01:38:24.000 The reason why Fedor wasn't a part of the Pride deals, the contracts were dogshit. 0.92

01:38:28.000 There was nothing there. 0.93

01:38:29.000 And that was probably a big, Fedor's probably a big reason behind buying Pride.

01:38:34.000 Oh, yeah!

01:38:35.000 How could you not want Fedor to come over?

01:38:38.000 I mean, they tried hard to get Fedor.

01:38:40.000 A lot of people don't realize how hard they tried. 0.90

01:38:43.000 It was like, yeah, if UFC fucking cared about putting on the right fights, they would have had Fedor come over.

01:38:49.000 M1 Global, who are the people that promote Fedor, they wanted to have co-promotion rights with the UFC. But the problem is, there's no promotion there. 0.75

01:38:59.000 It's just the management team of Fedor.

01:39:02.000 They wouldn't really be promoting anything.

01:39:04.000 They would just be glomming on.

01:39:06.000 So the UFC offered them a big percentage of the pay-per-view buys, a large chunk of money you would get when Fedor fights.

01:39:15.000 They wanted to be co-promotion.

01:39:17.000 They wanted to be the UFC and M1 Global. 0.99

01:39:19.000 Who the fuck is M1 Global? 0.97

01:39:20.000 Nobody knows what that is. 0.99

01:39:21.000 They put like three shows on it.

01:39:22.000 Yeah, you're not talking about like Showtime and HBO or like Bob Arum and, you know, and Golden Boy Productions, two established companies.

01:39:29.000 You're talking about one company that fucking no one knows and one company that's the NFL of MMA. So it didn't make any sense. 0.58

01:39:36.000 They offered him a fuckload of money and then Dana always said, listen, you guys gotta realize that this guy can lose and if he loses, this ain't worth shit. 0.97

01:39:44.000 Like, as soon as he loses, this is not worth anything. 0.97

01:39:47.000 And then he goes to Strikeforce, and then Verdum triangles him, wraps him up, taps him out, and like, that's it.

01:39:54.000 Everything just got weird.

01:39:56.000 And then after that, Bigfoot beats the fuck out of him.

01:39:59.000 And then after that, Henderson KOs him. 0.88

01:40:02.000 That's it.

01:40:03.000 There goes your big money.

01:40:05.000 It all went away.

01:40:05.000 And there goes the dreams, man.

01:40:07.000 The fucking fights that could have been with that guy in the UFC would have been amazing. 0.99

01:40:13.000 But, that's how it goes. 1.00

01:40:14.000 Japanese fuckery. 1.00

01:40:16.000 Japanese fuckery. 1.00

01:40:19.000 Apparently, the way they do business is, a lot of them will say, we will get together and have a meeting, and we are interested in selling pride. 0.99

01:40:27.000 And then, you know, then they get together, and everyone gets really excited, and there's all this publicity, and they go, oh, we changed our mind, but we have a big event next week.

01:40:36.000 And then they put on this big event, and now they have all this publicity because the UFC is going to buy pride, and then they have the... 0.98

01:40:42.000 Put on this fucking gigantic show. 0.98

01:40:44.000 It's very clever. 1.00

01:40:46.000 They just have a different way of approaching things.

01:40:47.000 Did anybody ever figure out what the microphone was about?

01:40:49.000 Why did they have the headset?

01:40:51.000 Why did the referee have a headset?

01:40:52.000 So he could talk.

01:40:52.000 Jale's son had made some accusations about it.

01:40:54.000 Oh, he was saying that the...

01:40:56.000 It was fake. 0.99

01:40:57.000 Yeah, he was just fucking with fighters. 0.99

01:40:59.000 I know, but he fucking makes some good points. 0.99

01:41:01.000 Why would he have a headset? 0.97

01:41:02.000 Well, there is a problem with some of the fights in Pride that were clearly fixed.

01:41:07.000 There's no doubt about it.

01:41:09.000 There can be no doubt.

01:41:10.000 You watch Mark Coleman versus Takata. 1.00

01:41:12.000 If you don't think that that fight was fixed, you're an asshole. 1.00

01:41:14.000 Oh, and the K-1, too. 1.00

01:41:15.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:16.000 Masato and Bukau, they almost killed Masato trying to get the win over Bukau. 0.76

01:41:21.000 Really?

01:41:21.000 Oh yeah.

01:41:22.000 Bukau killed him in three rounds and they give, oh, extra round.

01:41:25.000 Really? 0.92

01:41:26.000 And then he kills him in the fourth round. 1.00

01:41:27.000 Extra round! 1.00

01:41:28.000 And you can see Masato like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:41:30.000 Really? 1.00

01:41:30.000 And Bukau was just kicking the fuck out of him. 1.00

01:41:33.000 And I guess Masato had to retire for like Eight months or something, internal bleeding. 0.90

01:41:37.000 It was bad.

01:41:38.000 Whoa.

01:41:39.000 It was bad.

01:41:40.000 That's a fight I missed.

01:41:41.000 The Japanese are kind of known for trying to get the Japanese win.

01:41:45.000 Yeah, there's always going to be that.

01:41:47.000 There's always going to be a little bit of that.

01:41:49.000 But, you know, it's fun, man.

01:41:52.000 The glory early days of MMA and kickboxing.

01:41:56.000 And look, when you look at that, like, say, you know, they definitely did some fuckery, but they put K-1 on the map and therefore kickboxing on the map on a grand scale.

01:42:07.000 When you look at those K-1 Grand Prix's and they're in the Tokyo Dome in front of, like, God knows how many thousands of people.

01:42:14.000 That was amazing.

01:42:15.000 That's how I fell in love with kickboxing.

01:42:18.000 That was my dream, was always watching those World Grand Prix's.

01:42:22.000 And then when Glory was like, oh, you want to fight in a one-night tournament?

01:42:27.000 Yeah.

01:42:28.000 I've been waiting my whole life for this, yeah.

01:42:30.000 Well, I just hope that Glory, and there's a big event that's going on this Friday night.

01:42:34.000 They're doing regular events on Spike.

01:42:37.000 I just hope that it can achieve the same sort of level in America that the UFC has, or that Pride and K1 had in Japan.

01:42:46.000 And I just think if you look at the quality of the the fights that they're putting on it's right up there.

01:42:53.000 It's amazing I think they're the best quality as far as the the the level of the strikers the best quality we've ever had guys like you and Nicky Holskin and and Mark Debonk there's like so many guys that are like a super high level in in in glory right now.

01:43:09.000 Yeah, it's really exciting They're putting them in the production value on their shows is really good.

01:43:13.000 It's I hope people keep tuning in or start tuning in.

01:43:17.000 I know their ratings have been a little questionable lately on some really big cards.

01:43:22.000 They just need more push.

01:43:24.000 They need to keep doing it, and eventually I think it's going to catch on.

01:43:28.000 Guys like Raymond Daniels, Joseph Valtellini, there's so many high-level guys that are fighting exciting fights.

01:43:35.000 They're wild, exciting fights to watch.

01:43:38.000 I just can't see it not working.

01:43:40.000 I just think it just has to keep pushing, you know?

01:43:45.000 That's all it is.

01:43:46.000 I mean, it seems to me like the product is there.

01:43:49.000 It's just a matter of letting people know about it.

01:43:52.000 And then this, you know, having it on Spike is good, too.

01:43:55.000 Having that Friday night fight thing.

01:43:57.000 Every Friday night they have fights on Spike, whether it's a Bellator event or a boxing event or a Glory event.

01:44:03.000 If they can keep that up, that could be really big.

01:44:05.000 Yeah, it's huge.

01:44:06.000 Those PBC boxing cards have been pretty awesome on there, too.

01:44:09.000 Yeah.

01:44:10.000 Production value's been really good on that.

01:44:11.000 It's been, you know...

01:44:13.000 They said boxing's dead, but it seems like there's a lot of buzz behind boxing right now.

01:44:16.000 How can you say it's dead when they have 4.5 million pay-per-view...

01:44:20.000 I'm looking forward to Canelo Alvarez versus James Kirkland this weekend.

01:44:23.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:44:23.000 That's gonna be fucking crazy. 0.97

01:44:25.000 Yeah, but I heard Kirkland I've realized that I watched the you know the countdown show that they were doing about it whatever they call it 24 7 and Kirkland didn't train with Ann Wolfe for this fight No, which is like if you ever thought like a guy definitely should be training with a woman trainer Like in any in any other sports that ever happened a combat sport you'd be like what but if you look at like the shit that Ann Wolfe would make him do and She would get in a truck and she had a heavy bag attached to an arm on the front 0.99

01:44:55.000 of the truck.

01:44:56.000 And then the truck would move forward at like a certain amount of miles per hour.

01:45:00.000 And he was forced to back up and punch the bag as he's backing up doing road work.

01:45:08.000 Never seen anybody do that before.

01:45:09.000 No.

01:45:10.000 But they showed it in the, you know, in the training montages and stuff. 0.96

01:45:15.000 And I was like, that is a fucking great idea. 0.92

01:45:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:45:17.000 Because you have to keep up. 0.99

01:45:19.000 You got it, yeah.

01:45:19.000 The truck's coming your way.

01:45:21.000 You know, you got to back up and, you know, you can't take any breaks.

01:45:24.000 Yeah.

01:45:24.000 Like, you know, for whatever, how many rounds she's making him do or how many minutes she's making him do.

01:45:29.000 As he's backing up, he's got to hit that fucking bag. 0.99

01:45:32.000 And when he was with her, his conditioning was on point, man. 1.00

01:45:35.000 I mean, she put him through hell.

01:45:37.000 Hmm.

01:45:37.000 But some dudes don't want to go through hell.

01:45:39.000 Oh, they go through hell a few times.

01:45:41.000 Like BJ Penn with Marv Marinovich.

01:45:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:43.000 He went through hell a few times, and then he was like, fuck this, man. 1.00

01:45:46.000 I'm not going through hell. 1.00

01:45:47.000 Yeah.

01:45:48.000 I had a strength coach a couple years back that was awful.

01:45:51.000 And then we stopped doing it.

01:45:54.000 But, yeah, I was really successful when I was with him. 0.98

01:45:59.000 Fucking hell, for sure, though. 0.96

01:46:01.000 That's what it is, though, right? 0.98

01:46:02.000 It's like this Nick Curzon guy who trained Rafael Dos Anjos.

01:46:05.000 It's one of the reasons why I can't wait to talk to him.

01:46:08.000 It's because when you put those guys through hell like that, the results are undeniable.

01:46:13.000 But it's a matter of, like...

01:46:15.000 How much should that replace skill training?

01:46:20.000 Here's a perfect example.

01:46:22.000 Say if a guy like Rich Franklin had gone through a guy like Marinovich when he fought Anderson Silva, he still would not have been technically able to deal with Anderson's striking.

01:46:33.000 Wasn't Rich where he's training?

01:46:36.000 Didn't we talk about that?

01:46:38.000 He was one of the most intense, hardest training fighters at the time or whatever.

01:46:43.000 Yeah, at the time, I mean, I don't know if it stands up.

01:46:45.000 And he was huge for middleweight.

01:46:47.000 He was a big boy.

01:46:48.000 Yeah, he definitely was.

01:46:49.000 But yeah, it was the clinch.

01:46:51.000 He didn't have the answer for the clinch.

01:46:52.000 That's a technical thing.

01:46:53.000 You could have trained all day, every day, and it's not going to change.

01:46:56.000 You're lacking in that area, you know?

01:46:58.000 He also didn't have the answer standing up.

01:47:00.000 I mean, even outside of the clinch, you know, when you see Anderson drop his hands and chuck and jive in front of him, my Franklin throws punches and kicks at air, and Anderson's just ducking under the kicks and looking at him like, that was a terrifying place to be when you're standing there with a guy who he knows you can't hit him.

01:47:17.000 Did you ever see his fight, Anderson's fight, with Jorge Rivera and Cage Warriors?

01:47:22.000 Cage Rage, whatever the fuck it was? 0.93

01:47:23.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

01:47:24.000 No.

01:47:24.000 The only one I remember was his fight with Tony Franklin when he had the back elbow in cage range.

01:47:29.000 That was gnarly.

01:47:30.000 Yeah.

01:47:31.000 He fought...

01:47:32.000 He fought...

01:47:34.000 Jorge Rivera, and he let Jorge Rivera punch him in the face.

01:47:38.000 And Jorge is known as a knockout guy.

01:47:41.000 Yeah.

01:47:42.000 And he punches him three, four times clean in the face, and Anderson just staring at him, smiling.

01:47:48.000 Like, literally let him tee off on his face.

01:47:50.000 I'd be so scared to do that. 0.99

01:47:51.000 You know, sometimes in the gym you can get stupid and do stuff like that, but what if that goes bad? 0.99

01:47:56.000 What if you're like, yeah, hit me and... 1.00

01:47:58.000 Highlight.

01:47:59.000 Well, Anderson and Weidman.

01:48:01.000 I mean, the clowning around.

01:48:02.000 Ultimately, what happened?

01:48:03.000 That was the worst ever moment in Anderson's career and the biggest example why you should never clown around in a fight.

01:48:12.000 That was one of those things that when it's happening, you don't believe it's happening.

01:48:17.000 You're like, what?

01:48:18.000 What are we seeing?

01:48:20.000 Like, you almost have to shake your head.

01:48:22.000 Like, what is this?

01:48:24.000 Because that's what everybody wants to see.

01:48:26.000 What's that?

01:48:26.000 Nick laid down at the same time?

01:48:28.000 I'm like, what?

01:48:30.000 No!

01:48:31.000 He laid down, put his hand on his head like he's taking a nap.

01:48:35.000 That's so funny.

01:48:36.000 Dude, I was slamming my hands against the table laughing.

01:48:38.000 Somebody just posted a clip of it the other day, and you can hear yourself laughing.

01:48:42.000 You can actually see me across this.

01:48:43.000 I can't tell if I'm excited or not, but I stand up and I'm screaming something like that.

01:48:49.000 That was a crazy fight, man.

01:48:50.000 It was weird being there for that and then watching Anderson after it was over, realizing how much pressure was on him when he just laid down and started weeping.

01:48:59.000 Like, whoa.

01:49:01.000 Yeah, there's Nick.

01:49:04.000 The memes about this are awesome.

01:49:08.000 Look at that pose! 0.84

01:49:10.000 Don't stand up, homie. 1.00

01:49:12.000 Oh my god, he's so funny. 0.90

01:49:14.000 He was so crazy.

01:49:17.000 The GOAT and Anderson Silva.

01:49:19.000 As far as a dude that people love to see fight, you don't get much better than Nick.

01:49:25.000 No.

01:49:26.000 People love that guy.

01:49:28.000 To this day, I couldn't believe he did it. 1.00

01:49:31.000 And that's after talking all kinds of mad shit. 0.99

01:49:37.000 None of us knew that was going to happen. 1.00

01:49:39.000 He probably didn't even know.

01:49:41.000 He was real respectful talking about him, even throughout the whole camp. 0.99

01:49:47.000 I'd be like, oh, you're going to fuck him up or say anything to him. 0.97

01:49:49.000 And he's like, oh, I don't know. 1.00

01:49:51.000 I don't know.

01:49:52.000 I'm just going to survive.

01:49:53.000 I'm just going to survive. 1.00

01:49:53.000 I'm going to kick his fucking ass. 1.00

01:49:56.000 What do you mean you're going to survive? 1.00

01:49:57.000 We're in the back and he said something like, I might fuck with him or something. 0.99

01:50:02.000 And I was like, okay. 1.00

01:50:04.000 We were out there like, what the fuck is all this shit? 1.00

01:50:08.000 It was awesome, though. 1.00

01:50:09.000 It was great.

01:50:09.000 And we could see how much it was messing with Anderson right away when he started doing it.

01:50:13.000 He fucks with everybody's head. 0.97

01:50:15.000 Yeah, this is really effective. 1.00

01:50:16.000 But Nick fucks with everybody's head. 1.00

01:50:17.000 He fucked with Robbie Lawler's head. 1.00

01:50:19.000 You could really see it in that Robbie Lawler fight. 1.00

01:50:21.000 Like, Robbie Lawler was used to just going berserk on guys. 0.99

01:50:25.000 And all of a sudden, Nick was like, what, bitch? 1.00

01:50:27.000 What, bitch? 1.00

01:50:27.000 What's up, bitch? 1.00

01:50:28.000 What's up, bitch? 1.00

01:50:29.000 Like, stand in front of his fame. 1.00

01:50:30.000 You could see Robbie.

01:50:31.000 Yeah, it was effective for sure.

01:50:32.000 When Nick got into the cage, I'll never forget that fight, because he got in the cage and he looked over at Robbie. 0.99

01:50:38.000 He starts going, STOCKTON MOTHERFUCKER! STOCKTON MOTHERFUCKER! And Robbie was looking around like, what's happening here? 1.00

01:50:45.000 Where's Stockton?

01:50:47.000 Where's this gonna lead?

01:50:48.000 This is bizarre.

01:50:50.000 It's just a totally different thing.

01:50:52.000 Robbie would've been like, Des Moines! 1.00

01:50:55.000 Iowa, bitch! 1.00

01:50:57.000 Yeah, it was a very rare moment in time. 1.00

01:51:01.000 This is a big card coming up this weekend, right?

01:51:04.000 The glory card?

01:51:05.000 Yeah, it's going to be a good one.

01:51:05.000 Who's on this?

01:51:06.000 I got it here, clued up here.

01:51:09.000 It's Simon and Artem for the belt.

01:51:13.000 And if you don't have Spike, you can watch it online.

01:51:16.000 If you go to gloryworldseries.com, you can stream it for only $10.

01:51:22.000 And Artem Levin and Simon Marcus.

01:51:24.000 Artem Levin, one of the best kickboxers on Earth, for sure.

01:51:28.000 So is Marcus.

01:51:29.000 Simon Marcus, one of the best on Earth, too.

01:51:31.000 And they're going to fight.

01:51:33.000 Yeah, they have two really interesting styles, you know, having fought both of them.

01:51:36.000 Artem is very much like Floyd Mayweather, kind of very elusive.

01:51:40.000 He'll score his points and then hold and kind of eats up the clock really well.

01:51:44.000 And then Simon is one of those just like bull forward, constantly coming forward, constantly trying to, you know, having fought both of them.

01:51:53.000 Simon, when you're standing across the ring from Simon, you see somebody you have to knock out.

01:51:58.000 He's going to keep coming at me no matter what.

01:52:00.000 There's no weakness in his mindset.

01:52:01.000 He's going to keep coming until I knock him out.

01:52:03.000 With Artem, it's like supreme confidence.

01:52:07.000 It's very interesting standing across from both of those guys.

01:52:11.000 Both guys have had a long career.

01:52:13.000 I mean, look at the records there.

01:52:16.000 54-1 for Levin, 42-2-1 for Marcus.

01:52:20.000 And Simon Marcus, up until your fight, was undefeated.

01:52:23.000 You knocked him out, and then he lost in China again after that as well, right?

01:52:27.000 I knocked out in China.

01:52:28.000 I think that was one of those things we were talking about before where he didn't take the time off after I knocked him out.

01:52:33.000 I mean, that was a bad knockout.

01:52:34.000 Faceplant, you're out for a long period of time.

01:52:37.000 And then he got rocked again in China right after that.

01:52:40.000 Who fought him in China?

01:52:42.000 I don't know the guy's name.

01:52:43.000 And he wasn't even a big name.

01:52:45.000 It was a Chinese guy.

01:52:47.000 The Chinese guy fought him in China. 0.97

01:52:49.000 Crazy. 0.95

01:52:49.000 Go figure. 0.95

01:52:50.000 What are the odds?

01:52:50.000 It's like a Russian guy fighting in Russia.

01:52:52.000 Yeah.

01:52:54.000 And then he came back and won the contender tournament against Jason Willis and Wayne Barrett.

01:53:00.000 Now, Raymond Daniels is fighting on the card, too.

01:53:02.000 He's an L.A. guy.

01:53:03.000 Did you train with him at all?

01:53:05.000 I did that World Combat League like six years ago.

01:53:08.000 We were on the same team.

01:53:10.000 I met him and got to know him a little bit then.

01:53:12.000 We haven't trained together.

01:53:13.000 That was a Chuck Norris thing?

01:53:14.000 Yeah.

01:53:15.000 Now the Chuck Norris thing took place in like a bowl, right?

01:53:19.000 Yeah.

01:53:20.000 What did you think about that?

01:53:21.000 I hated it.

01:53:21.000 It was terrible.

01:53:22.000 It was really set up specifically for point karate guys to do well.

01:53:28.000 It was just like everything against like the kickboxer.

01:53:31.000 Really?

01:53:32.000 We're wearing those pants, right?

01:53:33.000 But underneath the pants we have like the sport combat super thick shin pads underneath the pants.

01:53:38.000 Oh really?

01:53:38.000 So like you know your leg kick is and it's a one round.

01:53:41.000 It's three minutes and then you have The shin pad is a weird thing, but it's not weird when you think about the fact that the guys wear gloves.

01:54:01.000 I always wonder, especially in MMA, why do they have gloves on?

01:54:08.000 We've been talking about this a lot lately, that if you wanted to lessen the effectiveness of punching techniques, one of the best ways is to just remove the gloves.

01:54:20.000 If you remove the gloves, you make guys fight barehanded, you get to see what's really effective and not effective when it comes to striking.

01:54:27.000 Yeah.

01:54:28.000 You still can kick guys in the head. 0.99

01:54:30.000 You still can knee guys in the head. 0.99

01:54:31.000 But you can only kick them in the head with the shin pad on. 0.98

01:54:33.000 Imagine if you punch with that world combat. 0.99

01:54:36.000 Imagine punching somebody in the leg with a glove on.

01:54:40.000 It takes away all of the effectiveness to it.

01:54:43.000 It's different when you're hitting somebody in the chin. 0.99

01:54:45.000 But you have to hit somebody really fucking hard with a punch to the leg to hurt them. 0.99

01:54:49.000 Which is essentially what that shin pad would be doing for it. 0.99

01:54:53.000 I hated the rules.

01:54:54.000 I hated that circle.

01:54:55.000 It threw me off big time, being in a circle with no ropes.

01:54:57.000 And then you get into an exchange and you step back and you would be on this slant.

01:55:03.000 Yeah, why does everybody have to wear those pants?

01:55:05.000 It was something about the sponsors.

01:55:07.000 I got in a lot of trouble because I had...

01:55:10.000 Like sponsors, like handed a tattoo on my back because they wouldn't let us put anything on the pants.

01:55:15.000 And after the first fight, the director or whatever comes to the back and he's screaming and yelling, Chuck Norris is really mad at you.

01:55:21.000 But I'm like, oh, Chuck Norris is mad at me.

01:55:23.000 Is he mad?

01:55:24.000 He was like really pissed off that I was, you know, taking advantage or something.

01:55:29.000 Did they not state it in the rules?

01:55:31.000 No.

01:55:31.000 I think it was in the rules.

01:55:33.000 That you couldn't do it?

01:55:34.000 They said you couldn't have anything on.

01:55:36.000 You couldn't alter the uniform.

01:55:38.000 You couldn't put patches or anything on the uniform.

01:55:39.000 I'm like, I had a tattoo on my back.

01:55:42.000 It's a permanent marker.

01:55:43.000 So the guy's dumping water on me in the back and scrubbing it.

01:55:47.000 It wasn't even like he was trying to get it off.

01:55:48.000 He was just trying to screw it up so my sponsor would be...

01:55:51.000 Did it work?

01:55:53.000 I got paid.

01:55:55.000 Did it mess it up at all though?

01:55:57.000 Oh yeah, it messed it up.

01:55:59.000 I think we went to Venice Beach to get it done before I left.

01:56:04.000 And then I'm in the hotel room and it's all smeared and bad.

01:56:07.000 And I'm like, hey, can you cover this?

01:56:08.000 Touch it up.

01:56:09.000 The other guy on the team with Sharpie.

01:56:11.000 Sharpie might be even better than henna, right?

01:56:14.000 Things like that might last even longer.

01:56:16.000 Yeah, so they were scrubbing it and it was whatever.

01:56:19.000 That was an issue with the UFC once with Rico Rodriguez.

01:56:23.000 He had some...

01:56:24.000 Golden Palace.

01:56:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:26.000 That was back when they had online gambling was like really popular.

01:56:29.000 Didn't Bernard Hopkins do that once too?

01:56:31.000 I feel like guys were doing that in boxing fights.

01:56:33.000 Boxing happened a lot, yeah.

01:56:35.000 Yeah, but they stopped.

01:56:36.000 Somehow they put a stop to it.

01:56:38.000 Why though?

01:56:40.000 Why?

01:56:40.000 I don't know.

01:56:40.000 In the UFC, are you going to ruin the man or something?

01:56:43.000 It kind of does fuck with what you're looking at.

01:56:46.000 I mean, it doesn't matter to me if a guy has sponsors all over his shorts, but if he's got like a big sponsor tattooed on his back, it just seems like... 0.58

01:56:54.000 Seems kind of cheesy.

01:56:55.000 Yeah.

01:56:56.000 Like low...

01:56:57.000 Low rent.

01:56:57.000 Low rent, yeah.

01:56:58.000 Yeah.

01:56:59.000 I mean, I don't want to cut into a guy's ability to make money, but that does seem a little low rent.

01:57:05.000 Yeah, goldenpalace.com.

01:57:07.000 Ha ha ha!

01:57:09.000 Back in the day. 1.00

01:57:11.000 He's a fucking freak, huh? 1.00

01:57:13.000 49 years old, still fighting at a world-class level. 1.00

01:57:16.000 The alien. 0.85

01:57:17.000 Fights against Kovalev, who's a murderous puncher. 0.95

01:57:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:57:22.000 Russians are a different kind of white people, huh? 0.96

01:57:23.000 Yeah.

01:57:24.000 They really are.

01:57:25.000 How about this Golovkin guy? 1.00

01:57:26.000 He's a motherfucker, dude. 1.00

01:57:27.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:57:28.000 I love that dude.

01:57:28.000 I love him.

01:57:29.000 And he'll knock you out with shots that doesn't mean...

01:57:31.000 Vinny and I were talking to him about him the other day.

01:57:34.000 It doesn't look like he's trying to hit you hard, but when he throws it all natural and loose, it's like he knows it's gonna knock you out.

01:57:40.000 He's knocking people out with body shots that don't look hard, look like they miss and people are dropping.

01:57:44.000 Awesome. 0.99

01:57:45.000 Yeah, his left hook to the body is fucking devastating. 0.99

01:57:47.000 One of the best in the business at it. 0.98

01:57:49.000 I forget who he fought, but he threw a right hand in it.

01:57:52.000 It looked like it slid off.

01:57:53.000 Didn't even look like there was penetration at all.

01:57:55.000 And the guy's done.

01:57:57.000 Knockout.

01:57:57.000 I think it was two fights ago, he hit the guy with it.

01:57:59.000 Yeah, he's a motherfucker, dude. 1.00

01:58:01.000 Amazing. 1.00

01:58:01.000 He's awesome. 1.00

01:58:02.000 He's really awesome.

01:58:03.000 I love the fact that there's so many guys like that now.

01:58:06.000 Like him, Kovalev, Provodnikov.

01:58:10.000 Yeah, Provodnikov.

01:58:11.000 I love watching that guy fight.

01:58:12.000 Savage Russians, man. 1.00

01:58:13.000 I love watching that guy fight.

01:58:13.000 Oh, that fight that he had with Lucas Matisse?

01:58:16.000 Jesus Christ, that was crazy.

01:58:18.000 Yeah.

01:58:19.000 Did you see the urine sample after the fight?

01:58:21.000 No.

01:58:22.000 Dude, pull that up, because you've got to see this.

01:58:24.000 He posted an Instagram photo of his urine sample, and it looks like he poured Coca-Cola into the cup.

01:58:30.000 Like, he was pissing just so dark from blood and, you know, internal bleeding.

01:58:37.000 Internal bleeding. 1.00

01:58:37.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:58:38.000 You know a lot of apparently not just internal bleeding, but when you have an unbelievably grueling physical event like ultra marathons like look at it up there That's his piss, bro What? 1.00

01:58:54.000 No. 0.90

01:58:55.000 Yes!

01:58:56.000 Yes!

01:58:57.000 Pull up the actual Instagram so you can see it and we can read it.

01:59:00.000 Yeah, that's his urine sample, man.

01:59:02.000 That's his urine sample.

01:59:03.000 That's the urine sample that he gave the Athletic Commission, the post-doping, post-fight.

01:59:08.000 Because I've pissed blood before, but it was nothing that dark like that. 0.99

01:59:12.000 It was like fucking... 0.99

01:59:14.000 Well, I have a friend who did an ultramarathon, my friend Cameron Haynes, and he said the same thing, that when you do an ultramarathon, when you pee, it looks like Coca-Cola. 1.00

01:59:25.000 Really?

01:59:26.000 Yeah.

01:59:27.000 It's like your kidneys are failing.

01:59:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:30.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:59:32.000 Yeah, here it is. 1.00

01:59:33.000 Sorry to all my friends.

01:59:34.000 I lost tonight.

01:59:35.000 I felt I could have won this fight.

01:59:37.000 I almost had him, but the fight happened the way it happened.

01:59:39.000 And here it is.

01:59:40.000 He's saying, one more fight in my career.

01:59:42.000 When I did my doping test, I had black urine.

01:59:44.000 The first one was against Tim Bradley.

01:59:46.000 Black urine. 0.99

01:59:48.000 Black urine. 1.00

01:59:50.000 Fuck, dude. 1.00

01:59:52.000 I think it's an endurance thing, too. 1.00

01:59:54.000 It's just a kidney failure thing. 1.00

01:59:56.000 That is fucking crazy. 0.99

01:59:58.000 I can't believe that's real. 1.00

02:00:00.000 Yeah, it's totally real. 0.92

02:00:01.000 Those guys who have rhabdomyelosis from CrossFit and shit like that, it's one of the signs of it. 0.99

02:00:06.000 You get black urine. 0.98

02:00:08.000 But ultramarathoners, they all talk about it. 0.99

02:00:10.000 Black urine.

02:00:11.000 What's the definition of ultramarathon in a regular marathon?

02:00:13.000 100 miles in a day.

02:00:15.000 24 hours.

02:00:16.000 It's a 24-hour race.

02:00:17.000 You run 100 miles.

02:00:21.000 And you're just broken when it's over.

02:00:23.000 I mean, why?

02:00:24.000 Why do they do that?

02:00:25.000 Prove they can do it.

02:00:26.000 Yeah? 1.00

02:00:26.000 My friend Cameron, who does it, is a fucking savage. 1.00

02:00:28.000 He's just a psychopath. 1.00

02:00:30.000 Is he, like, a really skinny guy? 0.98

02:00:31.000 He's 170 pounds, pretty yoked, actually.

02:00:33.000 Really?

02:00:34.000 Yeah, he's a bow hunter.

02:00:35.000 He's a professional bow hunter.

02:00:36.000 And he got...

02:00:37.000 Started getting into endurance training because bow hunting, you would think, is not a physical event.

02:00:43.000 But what the physical event is, is getting to the animals up the mountains and packing out all the meat.

02:00:49.000 So, like, you're going...

02:00:50.000 Like, I had this guy, Remy Warren, on the podcast recently, and he was talking about how they had to pack out this...

02:00:57.000 Was it a moose or an elk they shot?

02:01:00.000 Moose or an elk?

02:01:01.000 One of those. 1.00

02:01:02.000 Big fucking animal, okay? 1.00

02:01:04.000 And he's packing out 100 plus pounds at a time, walking several miles back with 100 plus pounds at elevation, going up mountains, down mountains, and then going back. 0.99

02:01:15.000 So he, over the course of, you know, X amount of days, when they packed all the meat out, it took them 30 miles of walking with 100 pounds on your back up mountains.

02:01:28.000 Wow.

02:01:29.000 And he's like, after it was over, he goes like, I was just done.

02:01:33.000 He goes, I got sick, I was exhausted, my body was just broken.

02:01:38.000 That's what you don't think about.

02:01:40.000 And these guys that do it, like Cameron, every year goes elk hunting in the mountains, shoots a big elk every year, has to carry it out. 0.97

02:01:47.000 And so he does all these crazy workouts, and one of them he does, he takes one of these, like a meat backpack, they call it a Tenzing backpack, and he puts 135 pound rock in the backpack and he'll fucking hike up hills with this fucking rock on his back. 0.89

02:02:05.000 Miles and miles. 0.99

02:02:08.000 Man, I didn't realize how spoiled we used to go to my buddy's uncle's property and then we'd hike a little bit and then we'd shoot the thing and drag it to where he could get to it and call him and he'd bring a fucking four-wheeler and drag his shit out and we'd hang it in the barn. 0.99

02:02:21.000 Yeah, that's the easy way. 0.99

02:02:23.000 Yeah, and it's spoiled.

02:02:24.000 Well, that's the way most people do it.

02:02:27.000 Tree stands, you know?

02:02:28.000 But when you go for elk in the mountains, the big elk, oftentimes, they're hard to get to.

02:02:35.000 They're smart.

02:02:35.000 They're not going to hang around near your house.

02:02:37.000 They're gonna go up in the mountains and they're trying to get some elk pussy and you gotta sneak up to them and then you gotta call them in and then once you shoot them then you gotta cut them up and drag them out of there. 1.00

02:02:48.000 Yeah, that's... 1.00

02:02:49.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.98

02:02:50.000 Yeah, so that's why he does ultra-marathons. 0.99

02:02:52.000 He sort of got into running and fitness because of that, and then escalated.

02:02:57.000 I just ask who's skinny, because usually those marathoners are like super, you know, all the triathlete guys I know.

02:03:02.000 Pull up his Instagram, because he's got a bunch of pictures of him. 0.99

02:03:07.000 Sexy bitch, likes to show his muscles. 1.00

02:03:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:03:11.000 He's an animal.

02:03:12.000 47 years old, works full-time job, trains every day. 1.00

02:03:15.000 Every fucking day. 0.99

02:03:16.000 Runs every morning, lifts every night. 1.00

02:03:19.000 He's a fucking animal. 1.00

02:03:21.000 That's him. 1.00

02:03:23.000 I would never say to think that was even a marathon guy, let alone an ultra marathon.

02:03:27.000 He just ran the Boston Marathon under three hours.

02:03:29.000 He did two hours and 50 minutes.

02:03:31.000 But yeah, he's an animal.

02:03:33.000 Huh. 1.00

02:03:34.000 Just killing shit eating wild meat. 1.00

02:03:36.000 That's a big part of it, too. 1.00

02:03:38.000 It's like I give you see like pull up a little bit from up there above there That's him in the marathon, but there's a picture of his legs. 0.98

02:03:45.000 We go keep scrolling up up up up up not down up Okay, go down a little There's it there right there like you see like The fucking veins this dude's gotten his legs. 0.89

02:03:56.000 He's using some sort of massaging tool But that's him. 0.98

02:04:00.000 It's just a driven dude man.

02:04:02.000 I I would have never thought that was a marathon guy.

02:04:05.000 I know.

02:04:06.000 You'd be amazed at the kind of fitness that you need to have just to hike eight hours a day in the mountains.

02:04:14.000 We talk about a lot of stuff that just gets really depressing.

02:04:19.000 Yeah, it's a lot of work.

02:04:20.000 A lot of work out there.

02:04:22.000 There's a lot of things that people would like to do, but it's just too much work.

02:04:27.000 I'd probably say that what you do for a living is at the very top of that list. 0.99

02:04:32.000 And you're looking at this guy carrying elk steaks and running up hills and you're like, fuck that. 1.00

02:04:39.000 Meanwhile, he'll be looking at you fighting three times in a night going, fuck that! 1.00

02:04:44.000 No, fuck that. 1.00

02:04:45.000 Yeah, everybody wants to eat, but few are willing to hunt. 1.00

02:04:47.000 That's what, yeah, look at that. 1.00

02:04:49.000 He's got a pack full with meat and giant-ass fucking antlers carrying that bitch out there. 1.00

02:04:57.000 I used to hunt all the time when I was growing up in Ohio. 1.00

02:04:59.000 Yeah?

02:05:00.000 Deer hunting all the time.

02:05:01.000 It's been a long time.

02:05:03.000 Best meat for you, man.

02:05:05.000 No better meat in the world than Wild Game.

02:05:07.000 I was broke.

02:05:08.000 My brother and I were living together, and we were, you know...

02:05:12.000 Every dollar was spent on like cigarettes and beer.

02:05:15.000 Like 17, 18, 19, I think.

02:05:18.000 And I guess I was younger than that, 17, 18. And we would go hunting every year and there'd be like three or four of us and we'd all get a deer and we would chop up like every little piece.

02:05:28.000 And I remember having like deer kebabs like for a whole year.

02:05:31.000 We were living off the deer that was in the fridge.

02:05:33.000 It was good times.

02:05:35.000 It's great for you though, man.

02:05:36.000 So good for you.

02:05:37.000 Do you ever get a hold of some now while you're training?

02:05:38.000 No.

02:05:39.000 I'll get you some moose.

02:05:40.000 I got some moose for you.

02:05:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:05:41.000 Fuck yeah, dude. 1.00

02:05:42.000 Hell yeah. 1.00

02:05:43.000 Moose is tough.

02:05:44.000 It's tougher than deer.

02:05:45.000 Yeah, I see your post.

02:05:45.000 You're quite the chef with that.

02:05:48.000 I love it.

02:05:48.000 It's fun.

02:05:49.000 Like last night, man, I was coming home last night from the comedy store.

02:05:52.000 I was driving home.

02:05:53.000 It was like 1230. I was kind of tired.

02:05:54.000 I'm like, I could just fucking slip right in and out right now. 0.95

02:05:57.000 Nope. 0.97

02:05:59.000 I said, just go home.

02:06:00.000 Because I knew I had some defrosted mousse in the refrigerator.

02:06:04.000 So I went home, cooked some mousse steaks and some kale. 1.00

02:06:06.000 Fuck in and out. 1.00

02:06:07.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:06:08.000 Oh, so good, dude.

02:06:09.000 That stuff gives you energy, too.

02:06:10.000 When I eat that, something about mousse, I think something about those big, athletic, very lean animals, I feel energized when I eat the meat.

02:06:20.000 That doesn't seem to make sense.

02:06:22.000 I don't know if they really have an accurate account of all of the properties of various different kinds of meat.

02:06:30.000 I would like to see if there's a way to do some sort of double-blind, placebo-controlled effect Test on the difference between eating elk versus chicken, or the difference between eating, you know, alligator versus beef.

02:06:45.000 I really would like to know. 0.99

02:06:46.000 I really wonder what the fuck is happening. 0.98

02:06:49.000 Because I try to look at it really objectively. 0.99

02:06:53.000 Like I try not to like, maybe this is a placebo effect, maybe I'm fucking with myself. 0.91

02:06:58.000 I don't think it is, though. 0.71

02:06:59.000 When I eat moose, like more than any other animal I've ever eaten, there's something about when I eat it, I feel like, ah! 0.92

02:07:05.000 I just feel like fucking charged up, man. 0.71

02:07:07.000 I don't know what it is. 0.95

02:07:09.000 I have a buddy of mine who was lifting.

02:07:13.000 He's a big fitness fanatic, too, and his wife shot an elk, and he was eating nothing but elk for months. 0.85

02:07:19.000 He's like, dude, I'm making all these fucking gains, and I gotta think it's connected to this elk. 0.97

02:07:24.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

02:07:24.000 He's like, I've nothing but elk. 0.99

02:07:26.000 You know, he doesn't have a lot of money.

02:07:28.000 He's like, we've been eating nothing but elk for like the past two months.

02:07:31.000 And he goes, and I've gained like five pounds of muscle.

02:07:34.000 Maybe there's something to that horse beef thing that Overeem was talking about.

02:07:37.000 Maybe. 0.99

02:07:38.000 I mean, obviously he's on whatever, but like the fucking horse beef thing. 0.99

02:07:40.000 Maybe it is. 0.99

02:07:41.000 Well, a horse is kind of the same thing.

02:07:44.000 You're talking about super lean.

02:07:46.000 Super athletic.

02:07:47.000 Yeah.

02:07:47.000 I mean, an animal that jumps over trees with you on its back.

02:07:52.000 You know, that's a motherfucker. 1.00

02:07:54.000 You ever had horse? 1.00

02:07:55.000 No.

02:07:55.000 There's a place called Joe Beef in Montreal.

02:07:58.000 If you've never been to Montreal, if you ever go up there to train at TriStar or something like that, the best fucking restaurant on earth. 0.98

02:08:04.000 Yeah? 0.96

02:08:04.000 Yeah, it's in Montreal. 0.96

02:08:05.000 I took my pal Tony Hinchcliffe there last week, and that guy serves horse all the time, and I've had it there twice.

02:08:13.000 It's good?

02:08:13.000 Yeah, it's real good.

02:08:15.000 It's weird.

02:08:15.000 Is that gamey or no?

02:08:17.000 No.

02:08:17.000 No, not at all.

02:08:19.000 It's weird that you're eating a horse.

02:08:20.000 But I mean, is it?

02:08:21.000 I mean, it's weird to eat a pig.

02:08:23.000 You know, go watch Babe. 1.00

02:08:24.000 And then have some bacon. 1.00

02:08:26.000 Well, that and pigs like waller and shit. 1.00

02:08:28.000 Like they live in like three feet of shit. 1.00

02:08:31.000 Eat, sleep, and shit. 1.00

02:08:33.000 That's not good. 1.00

02:08:35.000 That's gross.

02:08:35.000 That's nasty.

02:08:36.000 You ever have a wild pig?

02:08:37.000 No.

02:08:38.000 Looks different.

02:08:39.000 Yeah?

02:08:39.000 Yeah, it's dark.

02:08:40.000 It's weird.

02:08:41.000 The flesh is dark.

02:08:42.000 I cooked a wild ham the other day.

02:08:44.000 See if it's on my Instagram.

02:08:46.000 Yeah, it's on my Instagram.

02:08:48.000 There's a wild ham from about three or four weeks ago.

02:08:53.000 It's different than boars?

02:08:54.000 Well, boar is just male.

02:08:57.000 If you shoot a male bear, it's also called a boar.

02:09:02.000 And a sow, pig and a sow bear, the female's called a sow. 0.99

02:09:08.000 So when you go wild boar in a restaurant, they're kind of bullshitting you.

02:09:11.000 It's not really wild.

02:09:12.000 It might be wild sow.

02:09:14.000 It's wild pig, is what they should say.

02:09:16.000 But it sounds cool to say, we're going wild boar hunting.

02:09:19.000 You're going wild pig hunting.

02:09:21.000 I thought that... 1.00

02:09:22.000 But do all pigs have like the fucking... 1.00

02:09:24.000 Yeah, there it is. 1.00

02:09:24.000 See, that's what it looks like. 1.00

02:09:26.000 See up there?

02:09:27.000 That's what...

02:09:28.000 That's a wild pig. 1.00

02:09:30.000 That's a female. 1.00

02:09:31.000 There's a female that I shot at this place called the Tohon Ranch. 0.99

02:09:35.000 It's about an hour, hour and a half north of here. 0.99

02:09:39.000 It's fucking delicious, dude. 0.98

02:09:41.000 It's so good. 1.00

02:09:42.000 And there's very little fat on it compared to domestic pig.

02:09:45.000 Much, much less fat. 1.00

02:09:47.000 You got like a giant freezer home just full of shit. 1.00

02:09:49.000 Two of them. 1.00

02:09:50.000 Two huge freezers.

02:09:51.000 Big commercial freezers.

02:09:52.000 Yeah, well, I kinda decided, like, when I started getting into hunting, The first time I went hunting, I was like, I'm either going to become a vegetarian or I'm going to become a hunter.

02:10:03.000 Like, let's see how I feel after I shoot this animal.

02:10:06.000 Oh, after you shoot it? 1.00

02:10:06.000 Yeah, I might feel like an asshole. 1.00

02:10:08.000 Maybe I'll just stick to only fish. 0.99

02:10:09.000 I never really felt bad about fish.

02:10:11.000 They don't even take care of their babies. 1.00

02:10:13.000 They shit them out and run away. 1.00

02:10:14.000 Right. 0.99

02:10:15.000 You know, they drop the eggs. 1.00

02:10:16.000 Fuck fish. 1.00

02:10:17.000 The male comes off, jizzes on the eggs, and they bolt. 1.00

02:10:20.000 Yeah.

02:10:21.000 It's like the idea of mammals, like mammals are the issue.

02:10:25.000 So I decided once I did it, like, I'm going to try to eat exclusively in my house only wild game.

02:10:32.000 I don't really totally do that because occasionally I'll go buy some bison or something like that from Whole Foods, but almost exclusively in my house I'm eating wild game.

02:10:43.000 Tonight, I'm having mousse stew.

02:10:45.000 It's cooking right now.

02:10:46.000 It's on the slow cooker.

02:10:47.000 I left the house this morning.

02:10:49.000 It was on, and it'll cook for like six hours.

02:10:52.000 Have you always been into cooking, or is it just something you started with and you got into hunting?

02:10:57.000 No, I've always been into cooking some things.

02:10:59.000 I'm really good at making steak.

02:11:00.000 I'm a really good steak cooker, and I cook pasta, and I cook vegetables, like real simple stuff.

02:11:07.000 You know, I'm not making like quiches or anything elaborate souffles or anything that requires like a deep cooking knowledge.

02:11:15.000 My skills are limited, but I know how to do what I know how to do, you know?

02:11:19.000 You could throw some steak on the barbecue. 0.99

02:11:21.000 I'll cook the fuck out of the steak. 1.00

02:11:23.000 Barbecue the fuck out of some steak. 0.99

02:11:25.000 I know what I'm doing. 0.96

02:11:26.000 That's about the extent of, you know, what I can do.

02:11:28.000 These foods contain the best natural sources of creatine, venison, wild game, huh?

02:11:35.000 Wow.

02:11:35.000 Experts agree the best animal source of creatine is wild game.

02:11:39.000 Wow, so there you go.

02:11:40.000 My question's answered.

02:11:40.000 There you go.

02:11:41.000 Venison, elk, bison, and buffalo. 1.00

02:11:43.000 What about moose, bitch? 1.00

02:11:45.000 Moose is the same as... 0.99

02:11:46.000 It's got to be on there.

02:11:47.000 It's 100% on there.

02:11:48.000 It's probably just harder to get.

02:11:50.000 Because there's no commercially available moose.

02:11:53.000 You can get commercially available venison, elk, buffalo, and bison, which, by the way, are the same animal.

02:11:58.000 I don't know why they're...

02:11:59.000 This is redundant.

02:12:00.000 Game meat, unless it's a different type of buffalo, like this water buffalo.

02:12:04.000 But when you talk about the American buffalo, you're talking about a bison.

02:12:08.000 Hmm.

02:12:09.000 Next best source is free-range meats, which includes turkey breast, chicken breast.

02:12:12.000 I just shot a turkey.

02:12:14.000 I shot a turkey a couple weeks ago.

02:12:16.000 That's interesting.

02:12:17.000 That tastes different.

02:12:19.000 You shot in the body or you shot in the head? 0.90

02:12:20.000 Shot in the head. 0.99

02:12:21.000 Yeah, you're supposed to shoot the head, right? 1.00

02:12:22.000 Yeah, if you shoot it in the body, you're going to destroy. 1.00

02:12:25.000 You're spitting out little pellets. 0.99

02:12:28.000 Yeah.

02:12:29.000 Yeah, it's a dirty trick, man.

02:12:31.000 You put out a rubber turkey.

02:12:33.000 You put out a rubber female. 1.00

02:12:35.000 Start making noises. 1.00

02:12:37.000 Oh, boy, would I like some cock. 1.00

02:12:42.000 And then they come over looking to give some cock. 1.00

02:12:44.000 Boom! 1.00

02:12:45.000 Blow his fucking head off. 1.00

02:12:46.000 Yeah, they don't die easy. 1.00

02:12:47.000 You should feel bad about that one.

02:12:49.000 I mean, that's...

02:12:50.000 No.

02:12:50.000 No?

02:12:50.000 No.

02:12:51.000 Birds. 1.00

02:12:51.000 Birds can suck my dick. 1.00

02:12:53.000 Birds and fish. 1.00

02:12:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:12:54.000 Birds, at least they lay their eggs and then sit on them.

02:12:59.000 So they're like one step above.

02:13:01.000 Yeah.

02:13:01.000 And they're kind of like...

02:13:02.000 I have chickens that I don't want to kill.

02:13:04.000 You know, they're like pets. 1.00

02:13:07.000 But if shit goes down, the power goes down, I'll kill them before I kill my dog. 1.00

02:13:12.000 That's for fuck sure. 1.00

02:13:13.000 Those chickens are getting it. 1.00

02:13:17.000 But they're kind of, they're pets, you know?

02:13:19.000 My daughters will pick them up and hold on to them. 0.95

02:13:22.000 They're cute, you know?

02:13:23.000 Are they nice?

02:13:24.000 Yeah, they're friendly.

02:13:26.000 We've had them since they were babies.

02:13:27.000 I mean, we hatched them.

02:13:28.000 I mean, not hatched them, but we got the hatchlings, like, days after they were born. 0.96

02:13:32.000 The way it works is, they actually send them through the mail, which is kind of fucked up. 0.78

02:13:36.000 They do it through the U.S. Post Office. 0.83

02:13:38.000 The egg?

02:13:39.000 No.

02:13:39.000 No, the chicks.

02:13:40.000 Yeah.

02:13:41.000 When the chicks are born, they pack them in special boxes and they send them. 0.92

02:13:45.000 The boxes have like air holes in them and they send them one day air and it gets to you, you know, express mail, whatever it is, UPS Express, whatever the fuck they call it.

02:13:54.000 It gets there and, you know, they give you an alert like, hey, it's going to be coming within one day.

02:14:00.000 And then, you know, these animals haven't had any food at all for 24 hours when you get them.

02:14:04.000 And you get them and you give them some food.

02:14:06.000 And they're these little tiny things, man.

02:14:09.000 You have to incubate them.

02:14:11.000 We put them in this large box with a heat lamp above it.

02:14:15.000 So they're in this, like, little chicken container box.

02:14:20.000 And, you know, you feed them.

02:14:21.000 And it's really kind of intense.

02:14:23.000 Yeah.

02:14:24.000 What else you got?

02:14:25.000 You got a monkey or anything?

02:14:26.000 No, no monkeys.

02:14:28.000 No. 0.80

02:14:29.000 I have an indoor courtyard in my house, and while I was on Fear Factor, when I was losing my fucking mind, when I was full-blown losing my mind, I was actually thinking about putting a roof over the indoor courtyard, putting thick glass walls all around it,

02:14:46.000 and... 0.97

02:14:48.000 Putting like crocodile monitors in there and like feeding them rabbits like having my own Jurassic Park Like having like a little opening throw a rabbit through there and watch the crocodile monitors attack it and devour it I might come on that would be the dopest shit ever but the problem is those motherfuckers if they get really big you can't really stop them like if they want to attack you they'll get like seven eight nine feet long and Also, 1.00

02:15:13.000 they're shit Is toxic. 1.00

02:15:16.000 Like, this shit is just disgusting. 1.00

02:15:19.000 So I was like, who's gonna clean their shit? 1.00

02:15:21.000 I'm gonna have some dude come over the house and clean this shit and like... 1.00

02:15:24.000 Get eaten by the fucking alligator? 1.00

02:15:25.000 No, it's a crocodile monitor. 1.00

02:15:27.000 Have you ever seen one of those?

02:15:28.000 No, it's a monitor.

02:15:28.000 Check it out.

02:15:29.000 I thought you were talking about a crocodile.

02:15:30.000 No, it's a giant lizard.

02:15:33.000 A really freaky looking giant predatory lizard.

02:15:37.000 I have seen those.

02:15:38.000 This is a crocodile monitor.

02:15:40.000 Pull one up, Jamie.

02:15:41.000 Yeah.

02:15:43.000 That's kind of awesome.

02:15:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:45.000 If it wasn't for the shit, I would have been like, oh, you'd be fucked up, Joe. 1.00

02:15:48.000 You should have got one. 1.00

02:15:48.000 I know. 1.00

02:15:49.000 I came real close, dude.

02:15:50.000 I was pricing.

02:15:51.000 I was talking to contractors and everything. 0.99

02:15:54.000 See, like, look at that one of the rat in his mouth down there.

02:15:57.000 Right there, Jamie.

02:15:58.000 Yeah.

02:15:59.000 Always thought it'd be fun to have like a piranha tank.

02:16:02.000 I had that. 1.00

02:16:03.000 Just throw a fuck, yeah? 1.00

02:16:04.000 I had a giant piranha tank. 1.00

02:16:06.000 Have people over to throw steak in there and watch them go nuts?

02:16:07.000 No, the steak's not the move.

02:16:09.000 The move is goldfish.

02:16:11.000 You get to watch the attack.

02:16:13.000 I used to go to the supermarket or the pet store every week, and I would get a large bag of goldfish.

02:16:20.000 Because I had...

02:16:23.000 I want to say I had 30 piranha.

02:16:25.000 Allegedly, because they're illegal.

02:16:26.000 Allegedly.

02:16:26.000 This is a made-up story.

02:16:27.000 I'm just telling you.

02:16:28.000 I'm making it up.

02:16:28.000 This is for entertainment purposes only.

02:16:29.000 Yeah, this is for entertainment purposes only.

02:16:31.000 And I also had a skeleton, a human skeleton in there that I purchased online from like a medical supply thing. 0.91

02:16:39.000 Like you could buy a human skeleton, which I thought was fucked up. 1.00

02:16:42.000 That's fucked. 1.00

02:16:43.000 It's so fucked up. 1.00

02:16:45.000 That should be illegal. 1.00

02:16:45.000 It totally should be illegal. 1.00

02:16:47.000 I had it. 1.00

02:16:48.000 You had a fucking dead body in your piranha tank. 1.00

02:16:50.000 So the bottom of the piranha tank was these skeletons, like a skull and shin bone and some other bones. 1.00

02:16:58.000 And people would come over and they would look at it and then they would look closer and they'd be like, is that a fucking real skeleton?

02:17:04.000 I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's a real skeleton. 0.99

02:17:06.000 Did you kill somebody and throw it in the tank?

02:17:08.000 Joe's house is like the equivalent of Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory.

02:17:12.000 I'm definitely coming over next week.

02:17:14.000 From male children. 0.98

02:17:16.000 Now that I have daughters and everything, it's all feminized. 0.99

02:17:19.000 They've ruined my whole existence.

02:17:20.000 But not really.

02:17:22.000 But I mean, my male sanctuary has now been feminized in an extreme way. 0.99

02:17:28.000 I mean, I had pit bulls and fucking piranhas. 0.99

02:17:33.000 I was looking to have a reptile sanctuary. 0.99

02:17:37.000 But the piranhas were fun.

02:17:39.000 But you know what's more fun than the piranhas?

02:17:41.000 Turtles. 1.00

02:17:42.000 Turtles are motherfuckers. 1.00

02:17:45.000 They're way more vicious than piranhas. 1.00

02:17:47.000 And you look at them, they look kind of cute and everything like that.

02:17:51.000 When turtles are hungry and you feed them goldfish, I would feed the goldfish to turtles as well, they're way more entertaining.

02:17:58.000 They're way more entertaining than piranhas. 1.00

02:18:01.000 They're fucking vicious bastards, man. 1.00

02:18:03.000 And they would grab them with their paws. 1.00

02:18:05.000 They'd use their little fins. 0.98

02:18:07.000 They'd grab them with their fins. 0.98

02:18:08.000 Hey, look at that turtle.

02:18:09.000 What is he eating?

02:18:11.000 Jesus Christ.

02:18:12.000 Like a tomato or something?

02:18:13.000 Yeah.

02:18:14.000 You want to see...

02:18:15.000 That's not a turtle, though.

02:18:16.000 That's a tortoise.

02:18:17.000 I believe.

02:18:18.000 See if there's a video of turtles eating goldfish.

02:18:21.000 And what was crazy is like, well, these are actually turtles eating goldfish.

02:18:25.000 They're actually legal.

02:18:27.000 Or piranhas, since I didn't have them because they would be illegal.

02:18:31.000 Piranhas are illegal.

02:18:32.000 There was a video of this lady in Thailand.

02:18:35.000 I think it was Thailand.

02:18:36.000 And she was like fishing for piranhas. 0.99

02:18:39.000 She had like fucking some sort of gizzard or some kind of meat or whatever. 1.00

02:18:43.000 And she would dangle it in the water and the water would start going all crazy. 0.99

02:18:46.000 And then she would pull it out and there'd be all these piranhas hanging onto the meat. 1.00

02:18:49.000 Yeah, look at them.

02:18:50.000 Look at this turtle.

02:18:51.000 They're swimming around and they would swim and they would just plow into the pile of goldfish and snack on them. 0.99

02:19:00.000 And when they get a hold of them, they use their little fucking hands, too. 0.99

02:19:04.000 They grab with their little hands. 1.00

02:19:05.000 I hope this guy gets one so we can see it. 0.99

02:19:08.000 But they fucking mangles them. 0.99

02:19:10.000 Look at them. 0.99

02:19:11.000 Oh, my kids are getting turtles.

02:19:12.000 Oh, dude, they're fun to watch, man. 0.95

02:19:15.000 But you've got to be careful if your kids do get turtles, because they develop all sorts of funky diseases from their shitty water. 1.00

02:19:21.000 You've got to clean the fuck out of the tank with those cunts. 1.00

02:19:24.000 Because, look at these, they're tearing them apart, man. 1.00

02:19:27.000 They're mangling these goldfish. 0.71

02:19:29.000 It's fun to watch.

02:19:30.000 Because you realize, like, these things are dinosaurs, man.

02:19:33.000 They haven't changed for a hundred million plus years.

02:19:36.000 So look at that dead goldfish. 0.99

02:19:38.000 You're just fucking snacking on them. 1.00

02:19:39.000 Come here, bitch! 1.00

02:19:41.000 How often does this happen? 1.00

02:19:42.000 You feed them every couple days.

02:19:44.000 Yeah?

02:19:45.000 Awesome.

02:19:45.000 You feed them every couple days.

02:19:47.000 But the thing is, you gotta be real careful with touching the water and then, like, touching your face or eating something.

02:19:54.000 Like, you can get diseases.

02:19:55.000 Like, my wife made me get rid of them when she got pregnant.

02:19:58.000 Right.

02:19:58.000 Because having babies and being around that stuff, like, you can definitely get sick.

02:20:03.000 That water gets real dirty.

02:20:05.000 They're dirty animals. 1.00

02:20:06.000 They shit it. 1.00

02:20:07.000 Fucking... 1.00

02:20:08.000 It gets funky quick. 1.00

02:20:09.000 Because they're pretty big.

02:20:10.000 You know, you're dealing with something that's several inches long and just shitting in this tank and... 0.97

02:20:15.000 I've always wanted a monkey. 0.94

02:20:19.000 And then my girl's like, you have two kids.

02:20:20.000 And I'm like...

02:20:21.000 My grandmother had a monkey. 1.00

02:20:23.000 Yeah, it wasn't good. 0.99

02:20:24.000 What was that movie with Clint Eastwood where he had the fucking... 0.98

02:20:27.000 Every Which Way But Loose. 0.99

02:20:28.000 Yeah, I had the orangutan.

02:20:29.000 Frank or whatever is his name.

02:20:31.000 Clyde!

02:20:32.000 Clyde.

02:20:32.000 Right turn, Clyde.

02:20:34.000 Clyde would punch people out the window.

02:20:36.000 Yeah.

02:20:37.000 I want a Clyde. 1.00

02:20:39.000 Big idiot. 1.00

02:20:40.000 That'd be awesome. 1.00

02:20:40.000 Yeah, until it decided. 1.00

02:20:42.000 Until he gets pissed and rips your fucking arm off and beats you to death with it. 1.00

02:20:45.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00

02:20:45.000 Yeah, all that good stuff. 1.00

02:20:47.000 And I heard they throw their shit. 0.99

02:20:49.000 Yeah, that's awesome. 1.00

02:20:50.000 Well, you just gotta be nice to them.

02:20:51.000 I'm sure if you're nice to them, but you have to be around them all the time.

02:20:54.000 It's like having a baby that never stops being a baby.

02:20:57.000 See, somebody was telling me that they had, I mean, it wasn't that kind of, I forget what it was called, but it was like, they get about, it was like a little outbreak monkey, whatever that's called.

02:21:07.000 She was telling me that her dad had bought one off of some people that was already full grown.

02:21:14.000 And loved the dad, but it hated, like females get really possessive over the males. 1.00

02:21:18.000 Yeah.

02:21:19.000 It hated her. 1.00

02:21:21.000 And sometimes she'd be cool or whatever, but sometimes she would attack her and scream and fucking scratch and shit. 1.00

02:21:26.000 Oh my god. 0.99

02:21:28.000 That movie kind of ruined it for me.

02:21:29.000 Outbreak.

02:21:30.000 That's not the one I want.

02:21:31.000 I want that one.

02:21:32.000 I want Clyde.

02:21:32.000 I want the nice guy.

02:21:34.000 Well, I thought chimps would be cool to have until that lady in Connecticut. 1.00

02:21:37.000 Her friend came over and ate her friend's face. 1.00

02:21:39.000 Ripped her fucking door off the car. 1.00

02:21:41.000 Yeah, that's like the same thing. 1.00

02:21:43.000 It was jealous that this woman was going to be spending time with his girlfriend, who was the wife. 0.99

02:21:49.000 The owner, rather.

02:21:50.000 That was in his mind.

02:21:52.000 That was his girlfriend. 0.89

02:21:53.000 Right.

02:21:53.000 Because he used to hang out with her.

02:21:55.000 The lady would give the chimp wine. 1.00

02:21:57.000 She'd give him Xanax.

02:21:59.000 She gave him Xanax. 1.00

02:22:00.000 Crazy bitch. 1.00

02:22:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:22:02.000 The type of crazy bitch that's going to have a chimp and have him walk around with diapers on is the same type of crazy bitch that's going to give a chimp Xanax. 1.00

02:22:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:22:08.000 The chimp is wearing diapers. 1.00

02:22:09.000 Did you know that? 0.92

02:22:11.000 By the way, huge chimp.

02:22:13.000 200 pounds. 0.76

02:22:14.000 Imagine a chimp as big as you, dude, but only five feet tall. 1.00

02:22:18.000 Just fucking... 1.00

02:22:19.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:22:20.000 It's yoked, and just...

02:22:22.000 There's a video of a...

02:22:24.000 They can rip your arm off. 0.82

02:22:26.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:22:26.000 Rip your arm off and beat you with it. 0.99

02:22:28.000 This table, this solid oak table, smash this fucking thing to pieces if it wanted to. 1.00

02:22:33.000 The amount of strength that they have, look at that. 1.00

02:22:36.000 What the fucking fuck. 1.00

02:22:40.000 That's like Vanderlei Silva when he was fighting in Pride when he fought in the heavyweight Grand Prix. 1.00

02:22:46.000 You know what that is?

02:22:48.000 That's Husamar Pajares after he did a cycle.

02:22:52.000 Jesus Christ.

02:22:53.000 But like 50 times stronger. 1.00

02:22:55.000 The physical strength that those fucking things have is off the charts. 0.99

02:23:00.000 We can't even imagine. 1.00

02:23:02.000 We don't even know what the fuck that is. 0.98

02:23:05.000 I still want one. 0.99

02:23:07.000 I love, like, gorillas.

02:23:09.000 I love gorillas.

02:23:10.000 I just, I don't know.

02:23:11.000 Well, that was my other thought.

02:23:12.000 I have this area of my yard that's one acre blocked off area. 1.00

02:23:16.000 I want that fucker right there. 1.00

02:23:17.000 Oh, look at that gorilla! 1.00

02:23:20.000 Jesus fucking Christ, he's yoked! 1.00

02:23:22.000 Awesome. 1.00

02:23:24.000 Look at that!

02:23:25.000 That's not real.

02:23:26.000 That's a fake gorilla.

02:23:28.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:23:30.000 Imagine that murderous motherfucker trying to bite your dick off. 1.00

02:23:34.000 The physical strength that those things have too. 1.00

02:23:37.000 It's not like a man who's built like that.

02:23:39.000 Did you see the one with the... 1.00

02:23:41.000 Look at the fucking arms on that thing. 1.00

02:23:43.000 Christ. 1.00

02:23:44.000 You see the one...

02:23:45.000 Look at the sack on him, too. 1.00

02:23:47.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:23:49.000 Did you know that ball size is directly determined by the amount of promiscuous females around you? 1.00

02:23:55.000 Really? 0.96

02:23:56.000 Really, yeah.

02:23:57.000 When you see an animal with giant balls, that means he's around hoes. 1.00

02:24:01.000 You can't trust these hoes. 1.00

02:24:02.000 You've got to have as much sperm development as possible. 1.00

02:24:05.000 Have you seen that video of that fucking guy from, like, Ethiopia or somewhere that has, like, 100-pound testicles? 1.00

02:24:10.000 Yeah, there's, like, a bunch of dudes like that. 1.00

02:24:12.000 There was a guy in America like that for a while.

02:24:14.000 Ugh.

02:24:15.000 You see, in that picture, there's a hairless bear.

02:24:18.000 I mean, they're bad enough, you've got to carry them around with you all the time anyway, but 100 pounds?

02:24:22.000 I don't usually bother me. 0.98

02:24:23.000 It doesn't bother me like my regular-sized balls. 1.00

02:24:25.000 I don't feel the weight, but maybe you got bigger balls than you do. 1.00

02:24:30.000 It's like luggage. 0.99

02:24:31.000 You can never put it down.

02:24:33.000 Maybe I'm surrounded by hoes. 1.00

02:24:36.000 Can't trust these hoes! 1.00

02:24:38.000 Can't trust these hoes. 1.00

02:24:39.000 Pull up the picture of that hairless bear. 1.00

02:24:41.000 What the fuck is that, man? 0.99

02:24:43.000 It's funny. 1.00

02:24:43.000 Somebody posted this today. 1.00

02:24:45.000 It was Fifteen of the scariest bald animals or some shit like that. 0.99

02:24:50.000 Yeah, that's... 0.99

02:24:51.000 How weird animals look when they don't have hair.

02:24:53.000 That's a sun bear.

02:24:54.000 I don't know what those things look like with hair. 0.98

02:24:56.000 It's not a black bear.

02:24:58.000 Look at that one up there.

02:25:00.000 The one the far...

02:25:01.000 Not the far right, but the one next to it.

02:25:02.000 Keep going.

02:25:03.000 Yeah, right there. 1.00

02:25:03.000 Look at that fucking thing. 1.00

02:25:05.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:25:06.000 That's a black bear.

02:25:07.000 That's a bear?

02:25:07.000 Yeah, because that's in Orlando.

02:25:09.000 So that's a bear with mange. 1.00

02:25:13.000 Creepy fucking animals, man. 1.00

02:25:15.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:25:18.000 Yeah.

02:25:20.000 How weird. 0.99

02:25:21.000 Nature's weird as fuck, man. 0.99

02:25:22.000 If bears didn't... 0.99

02:25:23.000 What is that?

02:25:24.000 Is that a baboon?

02:25:26.000 Oh my god, that's a hairless baboon. 0.93

02:25:29.000 Oh, Christ. 0.99

02:25:31.000 What a monster.

02:25:33.000 What they can't have is a hyena. 1.00

02:25:34.000 Have you seen those fucking things? 1.00

02:25:36.000 The Africans have them on giant leashes like they're fucking toys. 1.00

02:25:40.000 Yeah, they put muzzles on them and shit. 1.00

02:25:43.000 Those are gnarly. 1.00

02:25:43.000 Big chains on their necks. 1.00

02:25:45.000 A hairless hyena?

02:25:46.000 Is that real?

02:25:48.000 Well, that's what they say a chupacabra is, you know?

02:25:51.000 The chupacabra, like, they're always, like, saying, oh, we found a chupacabra, it's a real animal.

02:25:55.000 What a chupacabra is, is a coyote that has mange. 1.00

02:26:00.000 Look at that fucking monster. 1.00

02:26:02.000 Look at that thing. 1.00

02:26:03.000 Jesus Christ, those are scary. 0.98

02:26:06.000 Those things have some of the- And they get fucking huge. 0.98

02:26:07.000 There's a picture somewhere, like, this African dude walking one, and it's, like, enormous. 0.96

02:26:12.000 Go back to that picture of the mouth open, Jamie.

02:26:14.000 It's like an enormous pit bull. 1.00

02:26:15.000 Look at that fucking face. 1.00

02:26:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:26:19.000 Ugh, just designed to bite through bone. 0.81

02:26:22.000 That's what that mouth is for. 1.00

02:26:23.000 That fucking baboon right there, too. 1.00

02:26:26.000 Yeah, they're creepy as fuck, too. 1.00

02:26:28.000 They kill each other left and right, too. 1.00

02:26:31.000 Baboons, they kill baboon babies, they kill everything. 0.99

02:26:35.000 Yeah, hyenas are the only matriarchal mammal society that we know of. 1.00

02:26:38.000 The females are actually larger than the males. 0.59

02:26:41.000 Really?

02:26:41.000 Yeah, keep the males from eating the babies.

02:26:43.000 Huh. 1.00

02:26:44.000 They also have a fake dick. 1.00

02:26:46.000 They have a faux penis. 1.00

02:26:47.000 The female hyena has a faux penis. 1.00

02:26:49.000 And she'll get on top of the male and fuck him in the ass with her fake dick. 1.00

02:26:52.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:26:53.000 I wish I was lying. 1.00

02:26:54.000 You're not making this up?

02:26:55.000 I wish I was lying.

02:26:56.000 Pull up the video of a female hyena.

02:26:58.000 This has got to be seen. 1.00

02:27:00.000 Female hyena faux penis. 1.00

02:27:02.000 Fuck two girls, one cup. 1.00

02:27:03.000 Let's see the hyena get raped. 1.00

02:27:06.000 Nature's rough as fuck, man. 1.00

02:27:08.000 There's a lot of infanticide in the animal kingdom. 0.99

02:27:13.000 I think that's the way the world should be.

02:27:15.000 I think society fucks it all up.

02:27:17.000 You think that's the way it should be, though, for real?

02:27:19.000 Well, however nature wanted it.

02:27:20.000 I mean, maybe they...

02:27:22.000 No, not hyenas doing it. 0.95

02:27:24.000 You're going to see actual sex. 1.00

02:27:26.000 I want to see the female fake penis raping the male. 1.00

02:27:30.000 Did you Google fake female faux penis? 1.00

02:27:33.000 I can't believe this is real. 1.00

02:27:35.000 Yeah, no, it's real, man.

02:27:37.000 Google images instead of...

02:27:39.000 See if there's...

02:27:41.000 Yeah, see? 1.00

02:27:42.000 This is this artificial penis that comes out. 1.00

02:27:46.000 It's a she-penis. 1.00

02:27:47.000 It's an artificial penis that comes out, and the female, which is larger than the male, above that you can see it. 1.00

02:27:53.000 How is it artificial? 0.99

02:27:53.000 It's an actual penis. 0.99

02:27:54.000 It just doesn't work? 0.99

02:27:55.000 I shouldn't say artificial. 0.96

02:27:56.000 It's not really a dick. 0.99

02:27:57.000 It's just a hunk of meat. 1.00

02:27:59.000 That's it right there.

02:28:00.000 That's a female right there. 1.00

02:28:03.000 But they still squat when they pee out of their vagina. 1.00

02:28:06.000 Yeah, they don't pee out of it. 1.00

02:28:08.000 They just fuck you with it. 1.00

02:28:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:28:14.000 Well, they don't, you know...

02:28:16.000 I can't believe that's...

02:28:17.000 I'm flabbergasted.

02:28:19.000 It says they give birth out of it.

02:28:21.000 No! 0.74

02:28:22.000 60% of the cubs the first time others die of suffocation inside the pseudo-penis. 0.88

02:28:27.000 Hmm.

02:28:28.000 That doesn't make sense.

02:28:29.000 Maybe they go down the wrong hole.

02:28:32.000 Hmm, I wonder.

02:28:33.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:28:34.000 Fuck hyenas, though. 1.00

02:28:35.000 Fuck that world. 1.00

02:28:36.000 That whole world is horrible. 1.00

02:28:37.000 I don't want a hyena anymore.

02:28:39.000 Nah, you don't want a hyena. 0.96

02:28:41.000 It's like people who say they want bears.

02:28:44.000 You know, almost all bears are cannibals.

02:28:47.000 Like, almost all of them.

02:28:48.000 Especially males.

02:28:50.000 One of the reasons why they hunt males, like mature boars, is to make the population healthy.

02:28:57.000 It seems counterintuitive, but male bears will eat way more cubs than any hunter's ever going to kill.

02:29:04.000 Like male bears, when they come out of hibernation, especially in the spring, one of the first things they do is go look for cubs to eat.

02:29:11.000 And this is something that biologists are just...

02:29:14.000 Easy prey.

02:29:15.000 Easy prey.

02:29:16.000 And they don't know if they're doing it...

02:29:18.000 They just guess why they're doing it.

02:29:20.000 They don't know if they're doing it just for food or if they're doing it because they want to bring the female to estrus quicker.

02:29:26.000 So it could be both, or it could be the side effect of them doing it for food is the female comes into estrus quicker.

02:29:33.000 But when I was bear hunting in Alberta, we got to watch a male try to get this female's cubs, and the female fought the male off, and we're like 30, 40 yards away from this. 0.96

02:29:45.000 It was fucking crazy. 0.86

02:29:46.000 But were you commentating? 0.99

02:29:49.000 I kind of was.

02:29:50.000 I bet you were.

02:29:51.000 I kind of was.

02:29:52.000 But my mouth was wide open. 0.98

02:29:53.000 Oh, the black one goes for a mouth. 0.99

02:29:54.000 Full mouth on the bear. 0.77

02:29:55.000 They were standing up, too.

02:29:59.000 Like, attacking each other.

02:30:01.000 That was pretty good.

02:30:04.000 I was there, dude.

02:30:04.000 Is that what it was?

02:30:05.000 I actually saw it. 0.98

02:30:06.000 But it's kind of fucked when you see it. 0.99

02:30:07.000 Like, the guys, while we were in camp, one of the guys witnessed a male kill one of the cubs, and then he ate half of it, and then the female came over and chased him away eventually, and then she ate the rest of her own cub. 1.00

02:30:21.000 It's hard out there for a pimp.

02:30:24.000 It's hard.

02:30:24.000 But you were bear hunting.

02:30:25.000 Yeah.

02:30:26.000 And none of those three looked like a good target?

02:30:28.000 No.

02:30:29.000 Well, the male... 0.67

02:30:30.000 You wanted to hike out the mountain.

02:30:31.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:30:32.000 The male was a good target, but he wouldn't sit still.

02:30:34.000 And he was too far away.

02:30:35.000 And he was in between trees.

02:30:37.000 And when he came up to the female, the female took... 1.00

02:30:39.000 We wouldn't kill the female.

02:30:41.000 And we definitely wouldn't kill a female with cubs.

02:30:43.000 And when the male came over, it was also getting dark.

02:30:49.000 Where it was totally on that borderline where you're not really sure you could see exactly where you're shooting, especially with a bow and arrow.

02:30:57.000 Oh, it was a bow.

02:30:59.000 Yeah.

02:30:59.000 How many times did you have to shoot a bear with a bow?

02:31:03.000 I shot it once, because I shot it right.

02:31:05.000 If you shoot it once, you go through the double lungs. 0.85

02:31:08.000 Yeah.

02:31:08.000 You know, with these bows, the power of these bows is insane.

02:31:12.000 A real, like a Hoyt compound bow...

02:31:15.000 80-pound pole.

02:31:16.000 You're talking like 288 feet per second of 468 green arrows flying with razor-sharp broadheads.

02:31:25.000 It blows right through the body. 0.99

02:31:28.000 Yeah, these are this is in fucking New Jersey, dude New Jersey has such a bear population problem. 0.99

02:31:34.000 New Jersey has the largest population of bears per capita in North America Big-ass fucking black bears and they're fighting over who controls the garbage like the territory where the garbage is These fucking bears are biting each other in the face in front of people's cars and they're big I mean these are several hundred pounds these fucking bears If you go earlier than that, 0.99

02:31:57.000 you get to see them knock over the garbage cans. 0.99

02:31:59.000 Yeah, up there, back up a little bit.

02:32:02.000 They first start duking it out.

02:32:04.000 Like, one bear is controlling. 1.00

02:32:06.000 This is the guy's fucking front lawn, man! 1.00

02:32:09.000 His mailbox is getting knocked over by these bears. 1.00

02:32:11.000 My brother lives in Longwood, Florida, and it's like a gated community.

02:32:16.000 It's like a really nice area.

02:32:17.000 And every night there's giant bears knocking over the trash cans in the backyard.

02:32:21.000 Yeah.

02:32:22.000 And I guess the city, they won't do anything about it.

02:32:25.000 Well, they didn't want to open up a bear hunting season in Florida, but they're starting to do it.

02:32:29.000 Yeah.

02:32:30.000 In New Jersey, they have a real issue. 1.00

02:32:31.000 A fucking kid got killed. 1.00

02:32:33.000 A Rutgers student got killed in New Jersey by a bear. 1.00

02:32:37.000 Yeah, I guess somebody in my brother's neighborhood got mauled.

02:32:39.000 Some lady got mauled. 0.99

02:32:40.000 Yeah, dude. 1.00

02:32:41.000 And then you got these idiots that are, like, fucking leaving food out for the bears. 1.00

02:32:44.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:32:44.000 It keeps them coming. 1.00

02:32:45.000 Yeah, well, that's another thing about bears.

02:32:47.000 It's not like a deer.

02:32:48.000 If you leave food out for a deer, it'll eat that food and then go find food other places.

02:32:52.000 You leave food out for a bear, he knows that's where the food is.

02:32:55.000 He'll keep coming back.

02:32:56.000 So they have real problems when a bear like this, when a bear gets a hold of your garbage, like these bears, they're going to war right here because they've found a spot where the garbage is. 1.00

02:33:06.000 So look at these fucking guys just duking. 0.99

02:33:08.000 These are huge bears, man. 1.00

02:33:10.000 Because I keep telling him, like, hey, shoot the fucking bear. 1.00

02:33:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:33:13.000 He's got, like, two giant English masters. 0.96

02:33:16.000 I'm like, shoot the bear. 0.98

02:33:17.000 Feed him the bear meat. 0.98

02:33:18.000 Yeah.

02:33:18.000 You know?

02:33:18.000 This is good.

02:33:19.000 He's like, oh, what if I shoot it and it doesn't fucking die? 1.00

02:33:22.000 It doesn't, you know? 0.99

02:33:23.000 I'm like, 357?

02:33:24.000 How many shots?

02:33:25.000 One?

02:33:26.000 You just go right through the lungs.

02:33:27.000 Kevin, are you listening?

02:33:28.000 Joe Rogan's giving you advice here.

02:33:29.000 Double lung.

02:33:30.000 Wait till it turns sideways. 0.52

02:33:32.000 You get a broadside shot. 0.89

02:33:33.000 You shoot right behind the arms. 0.98

02:33:35.000 Like right where the armpit is. 0.64

02:33:37.000 Right there.

02:33:37.000 Boom.

02:33:38.000 Goes right through.

02:33:39.000 Especially with a bow and arrow. 0.98

02:33:41.000 It'll penetrate through both lungs and it'll be dead in seconds.

02:33:44.000 I mean, you're talking like 10 feet away, you know, 15 feet.

02:33:47.000 It's in the yard.

02:33:48.000 Yeah, they're not scared.

02:33:49.000 They're not scared of people at all.

02:33:50.000 Yeah, what he said, if he's afraid of, is what if he, you know, hurts it but doesn't kill it and charges him?

02:33:57.000 That's possible.

02:33:58.000 I'm like, you got five more shots?

02:34:00.000 Yeah.

02:34:00.000 .357?

02:34:01.000 Well, is he going to use a pistol?

02:34:02.000 Yeah.

02:34:03.000 Yeah?

02:34:05.000 I would use a rifle.

02:34:06.000 Rifle?

02:34:06.000 If he's gonna shoot a gun, get a real, you know, get a 7mm Remington Ultramag, something like that.

02:34:12.000 Just blow one through him where he's not getting up. 0.97

02:34:14.000 12-gauge slug's not gonna handle it.

02:34:16.000 He could.

02:34:16.000 Yeah, you could.

02:34:17.000 Go with the slug cap.

02:34:18.000 I'm a fan of rifles.

02:34:20.000 Yeah?

02:34:20.000 It's just, yeah, it's super accurate, very precise.

02:34:23.000 I just don't want him to miss and shoot the neighbor's house and dog.

02:34:27.000 That's a good point.

02:34:28.000 And where does he live, Florida?

02:34:30.000 Can you use suppressors in Florida?

02:34:31.000 Can you use silencers?

02:34:32.000 I don't know.

02:34:33.000 There's a problem in California. 1.00

02:34:35.000 You can't use silencers, which is really stupid. 0.99

02:34:36.000 Does that work? 0.99

02:34:37.000 I saw in the Steven Seagal movie, he like taped a 20 ounce bottle to the end of it.

02:34:42.000 You see that?

02:34:42.000 You think it's like under siege?

02:34:44.000 Would that work?

02:34:44.000 Everything in Steven Seagal movies are actual and factual.

02:34:48.000 Right.

02:34:48.000 That's the only thing he allows.

02:34:50.000 He doesn't allow anything in a movie unless it's absolutely correct.

02:34:54.000 Really?

02:34:55.000 No.

02:34:57.000 I'm sure it doesn't work.

02:34:58.000 I'm serious.

02:34:58.000 A two-liter bottle...

02:35:00.000 Of coke or something?

02:35:01.000 Yeah.

02:35:01.000 I mean, it sure doesn't silence it, but it might like...

02:35:03.000 Probably takes a little bit off of it.

02:35:04.000 Take a little bit off of it.

02:35:05.000 It's kind of weird.

02:35:06.000 I was talking to this guy from Sig Sauer yesterday about this.

02:35:09.000 Oh, they tried it?

02:35:10.000 Let's hear it.

02:35:11.000 See?

02:35:12.000 You thought I made that up, didn't you?

02:35:14.000 See?

02:35:17.000 Ready?

02:35:21.000 This is the Steven Seagal Silence 45. That's gonna shoot this dude right in the face. 0.99

02:35:27.000 You know he's gonna die here. 1.00

02:35:29.000 Is he gonna shoot it at the bottom, at the ground, this dummy? 1.00

02:35:34.000 Okay, here he goes. 1.00

02:35:40.000 No.

02:35:40.000 Yeah, it wasn't very quiet.

02:35:41.000 Didn't work at all.

02:35:43.000 How to make a suppressor from a flashlight?

02:35:46.000 Is that real?

02:35:50.000 Let's see.

02:35:50.000 Let's see how it works.

02:35:52.000 We'll just pull it ahead.

02:35:54.000 Oh, this guy's like going deep. 1.00

02:35:56.000 He's building shit. 1.00

02:35:58.000 But it's weird because in California, silencers are illegal. 1.00

02:36:02.000 I don't know why.

02:36:03.000 Because if you can hunt, and you can hunt with a rifle, what a silencer does is it eliminates the sound.

02:36:08.000 I mean, it doesn't eliminate it totally, but that big boom, it's...

02:36:13.000 Do you want the boom like why doesn't make any sense?

02:36:16.000 It's like it's one of those weird things where people aren't they're not thinking Logically and objectively when they create laws like they think that someone's gonna like snipe people and you're not gonna hear it and someone's gonna die and get shot But the reality is if somebody shoots you like it Doesn't matter if there was a bang or not.

02:36:34.000 Yeah, it's the rifle still works You have to have a silencer on your muffler.

02:36:39.000 You have to have a silencer on lawn equipment, lawn mowers, anything.

02:36:44.000 You have to use some sort of a muffler, but not on rifles.

02:36:47.000 You can't have it on rifles.

02:36:51.000 Yeah, I don't get it.

02:36:52.000 I don't get most of it.

02:36:54.000 You shouldn't get most of it.

02:36:56.000 Most of it doesn't make sense.

02:36:57.000 I don't get...

02:36:58.000 Not a huge fan of the police force nowadays, Joe.

02:37:02.000 It's getting ugly out there, isn't it?

02:37:03.000 It's so bad.

02:37:05.000 It's so just...

02:37:05.000 just bad.

02:37:07.000 You know, I think part of it is, I think it's just numbers.

02:37:11.000 You're also dealing with 350 million people in this country.

02:37:14.000 Who knows how many thousands and thousands of police officers?

02:37:18.000 Who knows how many incidents they have to deal with?

02:37:20.000 Who knows how many people are incompetent?

02:37:22.000 And the ones that are incompetent, they get highlighted, videotaped, put out there. 1.00

02:37:26.000 And I also think that there's a culture that they have developed of doing shit in a fucked up way that people don't like, that they got away with for a long time. 0.98

02:37:36.000 And then cell phones and cameras and YouTube came along and now everybody's super aware of it. 0.98

02:37:42.000 And you just can't do it anymore.

02:37:43.000 You just can't do what they've been doing their whole career.

02:37:46.000 Yeah, I think...

02:37:46.000 I mean, there obviously...

02:37:48.000 There are racial issues or whatever, but I just think that those get highlighted even more. 1.00

02:37:52.000 But I see just fucking asshole cops doing asshole things to every color person. 1.00

02:37:57.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:37:58.000 It's just that lately it's been highlighted.

02:38:00.000 But it's like... 0.99

02:38:01.000 If no one's fucking shooting at you, stop shooting people. 1.00

02:38:04.000 When did they become such pussies that there was a video of a guy walking out of his house with a screwdriver. 1.00

02:38:10.000 He was literally walking with his wife, a 50-year-old man. 0.99

02:38:13.000 He's walking out with a screwdriver in his hand like this.

02:38:15.000 He was walking to the mailbox to fix something.

02:38:18.000 And the cops shot him nine times.

02:38:20.000 What?

02:38:21.000 Yeah, and then didn't, uh, didn't, like, try to help him or anything, like, you know.

02:38:26.000 What were they responding to?

02:38:27.000 What did they think he was doing?

02:38:28.000 I think it was domestic violence or something.

02:38:30.000 I don't even know what it was, but it was, like, the older woman walks out, and then the husband walks out right behind him, and he was like, oh, drop it, blah, blah, blah, and the guy's like, what?

02:38:40.000 And then, and they shot him, like, nine times.

02:38:42.000 And then they don't even go up to, like, help the guy, you know?

02:38:45.000 It's like, I find almost like these guys are just looking...

02:38:49.000 For that opportunity for when it's okay than more so like when it's necessary.

02:38:53.000 There's a lot of them that definitely do that. 1.00

02:38:55.000 There's a lot of them that are just too stupid to be cops. 1.00

02:38:57.000 But I think most people are unqualified to be cops. 1.00

02:39:01.000 We've talked about this ad nauseum on this podcast. 0.99

02:39:03.000 I just think that we have to appreciate the fact that being a cop is a fucking ridiculously hard job. 0.97

02:39:09.000 You want to talk about PTSD for soldiers, but nobody talks about PTSD for cops. 0.99

02:39:13.000 Cops are dealing with horrible shit every fucking day of the week, and most of them are doing a great job, and the ones that do a great job you don't hear anything about. 1.00

02:39:20.000 It's the ones that fuck up and shoot like that guy in South Carolina that shot that guy as he was running away. 1.00

02:39:26.000 And then planted the gun on him. 1.00

02:39:28.000 Did he plant a gun on him?

02:39:28.000 Planted the taser or something.

02:39:30.000 You watch him and he walks up and he sets something else on the floor.

02:39:33.000 Oh, really? 1.00

02:39:33.000 Then the story was, oh, he went for my taser and was like, Didn't he go for a taser, motherfucker? 1.00

02:39:38.000 Oh my god, they did that? 1.00

02:39:39.000 But of course that gets spun into the black guy, you know? 1.00

02:39:42.000 Well, if that was a fucking, it didn't matter who that was, he was going to do that same shit to, you know? 1.00

02:39:46.000 If a guy goes for your taser and then runs away, you don't get to shoot him. 1.00

02:39:50.000 Yeah.

02:39:50.000 You don't get to shoot him as he's running away.

02:39:52.000 And then I don't get to shoot him while he's running away and then run up and put the taser down next to him.

02:39:56.000 I didn't even know that.

02:39:57.000 That's awful.

02:39:58.000 I didn't know that he did that.

02:39:59.000 Oh, God.

02:40:00.000 I just think there are good cops, you know?

02:40:03.000 But it's like, if you're a good cop, how many bad cops have you narked out?

02:40:07.000 Because you know how many other ones are in the station.

02:40:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:40:11.000 There's just this...

02:40:13.000 You know this like Brotherhood of you know, I'm gonna stand up for our own and You know that that's what bugs me about it.

02:40:20.000 It's always been that way. 0.99

02:40:21.000 Yeah, my dad was just really upsetting and disgusting and I have kids and to have see all this shit right now It's just really scary and worry about your sons getting involved in something have some asshole cop do something. 0.99

02:40:31.000 Yeah, I mean Mike my uh my bit my wife my fiancee Yeah, it sounded really bad. 0.99

02:40:39.000 She's mixed, and we have two boys, and one of them looks white, and the other one looks mixed and black. 1.00

02:40:46.000 Yeah, this racial shit and ignorance is upsetting. 1.00

02:40:50.000 It's scary. 1.00

02:40:51.000 It should be.

02:40:52.000 Yeah, it is.

02:40:53.000 I'm hoping that all this anger, and all these protests, and all these videos that are coming out, and all these YouTube videos, and all these people that are rising up, that it's going to change things.

02:41:06.000 I hope.

02:41:07.000 It just seems like martial law is coming.

02:41:11.000 Somebody said something about allowing the conditions to eventually go to martial law.

02:41:20.000 Yeah, people say things like that.

02:41:22.000 The way that the news media is highlighting everything, it just makes it so much worse.

02:41:25.000 It's just all bad.

02:41:26.000 I think they're highlighting it because that's what people want to pay attention to.

02:41:29.000 I really don't think there's any concerted effort to create martial law. 0.93

02:41:32.000 There's a lot of conspiracy theories about that stuff, but I think that's just horseshit.

02:41:35.000 I think the last thing they want is an armed culture of Americans involved in martial law.

02:41:43.000 It's just like...

02:41:44.000 It's not going to work.

02:41:46.000 This is not the country where you can pull that off.

02:41:48.000 You can't take everybody's guns away. 0.99

02:41:50.000 It will fucking never happen. 0.98

02:41:52.000 There's more guns in this country than there are people. 0.99

02:41:55.000 It's just not going to happen.

02:41:57.000 You're not going to take away the...

02:41:58.000 I don't know if there's more guns in people, but I bet it's close.

02:42:01.000 It's not going to happen.

02:42:03.000 I just think that people panic about that kind of stuff and people always love talking about some tyrannical conspiracy when the government comes in.

02:42:11.000 Even when you try not to, it's like someone says something and you...

02:42:14.000 It's hard not to.

02:42:15.000 Did you grow up in a family with guns?

02:42:17.000 You had guns in your family all the time?

02:42:19.000 Yeah, I grew up hunting.

02:42:20.000 We started hunting and shooting at like 10, 12. I think when I went rabbit hunting when I was 12, I was shooting since I was like...

02:42:27.000 Your dad was into it?

02:42:28.000 Yeah, my dad was into it.

02:42:29.000 My brother and I. We didn't talk about this the last time and this was something that was controversial after our podcast because during the man-hoof training camp, your dad died.

02:42:37.000 Right.

02:42:39.000 How hard was that man to go through?

02:42:41.000 My dad and I had like a weird relationship.

02:42:43.000 My dad and I had like a falling out probably 10 or 12 years ago.

02:42:49.000 I hadn't spoken in 10 years and he came to one of my fights when I've won Glory 10 with Artham Levin and it was one of the biggest things that Vinny helped me work on. 0.99

02:43:01.000 I found out my dad had cancer and like My reaction when my brother and sister told me was like, fuck him. 0.99

02:43:06.000 Like, I don't care. 1.00

02:43:07.000 I really didn't care.

02:43:08.000 I hated him that much.

02:43:12.000 Wow.

02:43:13.000 I always just hated him.

02:43:15.000 We had really bad issues.

02:43:18.000 When I started talking to Vinny, I mentioned that my dad had cancer and I didn't know how I felt about it because part of me cared at some point.

02:43:27.000 We did some, like, he called it timeline therapy, and we had a, this is not at all what I was planning on talking about, but we, he asked me all of these scenarios, like, think of a time in your life when you were really proud, and then think of a time when you were really upset, and, like, all these different emotions.

02:43:43.000 And he didn't know what it was about or what was going to happen.

02:43:46.000 He was just trying it on me.

02:43:47.000 And every one of the things that he talked about was my dad.

02:43:49.000 Like, every one of those times was a time with my dad.

02:43:53.000 And he did, like, the, you know, the whole session or whatever. 0.87

02:43:57.000 At the end of it, I just had no more resentment or anger toward my dad and it was really weird and It was like this chip on my shoulder like my whole life and at one point for a long time I used to think about my dad before I would fight when I was fighting professionally like I would use not necessarily like I'm fighting my dad but like to shove it up his ass like look what I'm gonna do you know and I realized that like that anger that I had and And that I used to tap into all the time was actually like holding me back. 0.64

02:44:27.000 It was almost like a handicap. 0.92

02:44:29.000 And yeah, when he helped me forgive my dad, I was able to go to Florida.

02:44:37.000 You know, he's got stage four cancer. 0.79

02:44:38.000 He's gonna die.

02:44:39.000 And I had a relationship with my dad for the last year before he died that I hadn't had in 10 years.

02:44:45.000 And that was from that Vinny helped me do that.

02:44:49.000 That's got to have a big impact on the way you raise your own sons.

02:44:54.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:44:56.000 Like knowing the resentment that you had towards your father and the anger and the bad relationship, like never wanting it to get to that place.

02:45:03.000 Yeah.

02:45:04.000 Yeah, it was weird.

02:45:08.000 Vinny didn't know that that was even going to be the result.

02:45:11.000 He was just like, oh, I want to try this timeline therapy thing on you.

02:45:14.000 Yeah, I went from completely hating him to just forgiving him completely.

02:45:19.000 Not half-ass forgiving him to waiting for that apology.

02:45:22.000 There was no apology.

02:45:23.000 There was no talking about it.

02:45:24.000 It was completely starting over.

02:45:27.000 Yeah, we had a really good...

02:45:30.000 A relationship for that last year before he died.

02:45:33.000 And I knew that he was battling cancer.

02:45:36.000 My brother started treating him.

02:45:38.000 He was stage four.

02:45:39.000 I mean, the doctors were like, you know, your dad's going to die.

02:45:42.000 He had cancer in his lungs, cancer in his brain, cancer in his chest, and cancer in his neck.

02:45:47.000 He had like this giant mass on his neck.

02:45:50.000 And my brother started treating him with CBD oil.

02:45:53.000 And allegedly I was shipping it to him from here, into Florida or whatever.

02:45:58.000 That probably wasn't very good.

02:46:00.000 Allegedly.

02:46:01.000 Fiction for fictional purposes.

02:46:03.000 Fiction for fictional purposes.

02:46:05.000 And we were giving him CBD oil for about, I don't know, I guess seven months, probably.

02:46:14.000 He wasn't going to chemo.

02:46:17.000 He just didn't want to do it.

02:46:18.000 He was a really stubborn guy.

02:46:20.000 He wouldn't do that.

02:46:22.000 They tested him.

02:46:25.000 They did a graph or whatever to see where the cancer had grown or whatever over a period of time.

02:46:30.000 They were shocked that 90% of the cancer had died.

02:46:35.000 90% of the cancer was dead and 10% of the cancer that was still alive was completely surrounded in dead cells so that they couldn't get even medicine to it and it couldn't grow.

02:46:45.000 He was going to have to live with it.

02:46:47.000 But it was completely surrounded by dead cancer cells.

02:46:50.000 And the only thing possibly that could have done it was the CBD oil because he was doing nothing else correctly.

02:46:56.000 He was like...

02:46:58.000 They had him on so many narcotics and pain pills and stuff that he was... 1.00

02:47:02.000 He's an asshole to be around. 1.00

02:47:04.000 It was really hard. 1.00

02:47:05.000 He was constantly on this drug thing.

02:47:08.000 And he wouldn't eat.

02:47:09.000 All he wanted to eat was chocolate cake and ice cream.

02:47:12.000 It was really hard.

02:47:13.000 Which is all bad for cancer.

02:47:15.000 It feeds it.

02:47:16.000 We're trying to get him the right supplements.

02:47:20.000 It was a tough situation.

02:47:22.000 But the CBD oil was beating the cancer.

02:47:25.000 And the cancer wasn't what killed him.

02:47:26.000 He actually died from starvation.

02:47:29.000 Malnourishment from not doing what we would beg him to do.

02:47:33.000 Really?

02:47:34.000 Wow.

02:47:35.000 90% of the cancer was dead.

02:47:36.000 CBD oil, people.

02:47:37.000 It really works.

02:47:38.000 It's working right now for my friend's mom.

02:47:40.000 My friend's mom has stage 4 cancer in her brain.

02:47:43.000 I allegedly got him some CBD oil.

02:47:46.000 And he...

02:47:49.000 Got it to his mom.

02:47:50.000 Within less than two months, her cancer had shrunk by 30%.

02:47:56.000 She had been doing chemo, and they were saying that her immune system was so devastated by the chemo that the chemo was probably going to kill her quicker than the cancer was, and they had recommended her stopping chemo.

02:48:06.000 And he was just in full desperation mode.

02:48:08.000 My friend's real super straight edge.

02:48:11.000 He's just, you know, Mr. Republican American, doesn't, you know, thinks Obama's a Muslim, that kind of guy.

02:48:16.000 Yep.

02:48:17.000 And never would want to have anything to do with CBD oil or anything cannabis.

02:48:21.000 I got it to him and now his mom can sleep. 0.86

02:48:25.000 She's eating.

02:48:26.000 She sleeps at night.

02:48:27.000 She doesn't have pain anymore.

02:48:28.000 Her tumor's shrinking.

02:48:29.000 The doctors are astounded.

02:48:31.000 Those stories, you hear so many of them, it's almost like they seem like anecdotal fairy tales because until it happens to someone you actually know and care about, And then you start getting angry. 0.98

02:48:42.000 Like, this is what these goddamn assholes that are making laws in this country and fighting against us, the lobbyists and the people that are working for the pharmaceutical companies that are actively trying to suppress this information. 0.96

02:48:53.000 You are keeping one of the best ways to heal these people. 1.00

02:48:57.000 You're keeping it illegal. 1.00

02:48:58.000 And it's a fucking horrible crime. 0.99

02:49:00.000 And they won't even tell you about it, which is just atrocious. 1.00

02:49:03.000 They're giving my brother the talk that my dad is going to die and it's terminal and all this stuff.

02:49:11.000 For, you know, weeks and weeks and weeks, he's going to the doctor and finally my brother's like, hey, so, you know, what about, you know, medical marijuana?

02:49:18.000 Is that something that, and they were like, oh yeah, we can prescribe him Marinol, but we just can't, you know, there's no question that the cannabis or THC, whatever it is, cannabis helps fight cancer, but we can't, we can't refer, you have to ask, we can't just offer it to you.

02:49:33.000 And then they gave him the prescription for Marinol, which is like the government pharmaceutical form of the pill, which is probably way weaker than the CBD oil than we were giving him.

02:49:44.000 Yeah, not nearly as good.

02:49:47.000 So yeah, like, we got the call, I got the call from my dad, or my brother, that my dad had passed away.

02:49:52.000 I think it was three weeks before the Melvin Manoff fight.

02:49:56.000 And I flew home to Florida with my brother and sister and figure out the situation, what we were going to do.

02:50:04.000 And my brother picked me up from the airport and we went straight to the bar to have it out about my dad.

02:50:11.000 And when we got back to his house, my uncle had called.

02:50:16.000 We just assumed that my uncle was calling to give us his, you know, sorry about your dad.

02:50:22.000 And my sister answers the phone and my uncle was hysterical.

02:50:26.000 I guess my cousin Cody, who was 23, was very close with this huge fan of mine, had fallen off a balcony on their vacation and died the same night.

02:50:36.000 So it was a ton of stuff to deal with that last, you know, two weeks before my fight.

02:50:43.000 Again, I talked to Vinny, and he helped me stay focused on what I needed to do to handle business in that fight.

02:50:51.000 Vinny Shorman, can't thank him enough for that stuff. 0.99

02:50:54.000 That's gotta be unbelievably difficult to deal, both of those things, unbelievably difficult to deal with while you're trying to focus on, especially fighting a guy like Manhoff, which is a scary fuck. 0.95

02:51:05.000 Every post anybody tags me in is like Moe and Manhoff's highlight reel. 1.00

02:51:09.000 It's like, fuck! 1.00

02:51:11.000 It was tough. 1.00

02:51:12.000 And it just drains you.

02:51:14.000 I come back and I've got two weeks left before the fight and I'm trying to stay focused.

02:51:20.000 I can run at a good clip.

02:51:22.000 I run six miles. 0.98

02:51:24.000 You know regularly and like I'd be like half a mile in and just be exhausted because all of this mental stuff just wears on you and You know I had this internal battle of myself, you know should I pull out of the fight should not pull out of the fight and I Talked to Vinny and I was like, you know, I just I don't know what to do and He was like he's just a dick actually.

02:51:43.000 He was like He was like your dad and your cousin died and I was like yes, and he's like and that that's sad and I'm like yes, and he's like and and You're never gonna see them again.

02:51:55.000 And I'm like, yeah, man, I'm never gonna see him again.

02:51:56.000 He's like, and that's not fair. 0.99

02:51:58.000 And I was like, hey, yeah, motherfucker, it's not fair. 1.00

02:52:02.000 And he's like, you know, he says all this shit, and then he's like, now what? 1.00

02:52:05.000 And I was like, what do you mean? 0.99

02:52:06.000 And he's like, what are you gonna do now?

02:52:08.000 And I was like, he's like, are you gonna not ever fight again?

02:52:11.000 Are you gonna not take care of your family?

02:52:12.000 Are you gonna, you know, let this stop you from everything you've ever wanted to do?

02:52:16.000 And I was like, no.

02:52:17.000 And he's like, well, then turn off that app and wait until after your fight.

02:52:20.000 Handle your business.

02:52:22.000 Whether you're religious or not, at some level, somewhere, you think your cousin and your father, what would they want?

02:52:27.000 And I was like, well, I talked to both of them about the fight.

02:52:30.000 They were both excited about the fight.

02:52:31.000 I knew what they were going to want.

02:52:32.000 So I just kind of turned off that emotion until after the fight.

02:52:35.000 And when I knocked out Melvin, there's like this moment right after the referee stops it. 0.52

02:52:42.000 I fucking explode and Bellator posts the picture all the time.

02:52:47.000 But at that moment, all of that emotion that I had turned off came back right at that moment. 0.98

02:52:52.000 After the fight, I was thinking about them and stuff.

02:52:55.000 It was really cool.

02:52:56.000 Wow.

02:52:57.000 Wow.

02:52:58.000 That's intense.

02:53:01.000 Wow.

02:53:03.000 That's an iconic photo, too.

02:53:05.000 The photo of you right after you knocked him out.

02:53:08.000 That's a pretty intense photo.

02:53:10.000 That was a crazy fight, too, man.

02:53:12.000 It was a big one.

02:53:14.000 It was a big one for me. 1.00

02:53:14.000 Melvin is a wild motherfucker, dude. 1.00

02:53:16.000 Win, lose, draw. 1.00

02:53:18.000 You're in for some chaos with that guy.

02:53:21.000 Isn't that crazy? 0.98

02:53:22.000 All those guys from that Mike's gym, Badr Hari, him, Kokan, so many of those guys are just fucking ferocious. 0.86

02:53:28.000 Yeah, that's that style out of that gym.

02:53:30.000 I mean, that's why we're all...

02:53:31.000 There it is right there.

02:53:32.000 Yeah, that was that moment right there.

02:53:34.000 Well, we're running out of time, man, so let's end it with that. 0.95

02:53:36.000 That's a fucking perfect picture to wrap this podcast up with. 0.96

02:53:40.000 That's intense. 0.99

02:53:41.000 With Melvin down behind you.

02:53:43.000 You got that on your gym?

02:53:45.000 Is that up on the wall?

02:53:46.000 I gotta put it up on the wall. 0.95

02:53:48.000 That should fucking for sure be up at the yard. 0.96

02:53:51.000 The yard in downtown LA. Best place to train some Muay Thai in California if you're around. 0.97

02:53:58.000 And if you're in San Diego, Glory 21 is this Friday night, tomorrow.

02:54:03.000 And next time you will be fighting is June...

02:54:06.000 June 26th for Bellator.

02:54:07.000 And where's that at?

02:54:08.000 I believe it's in Kansas City.

02:54:10.000 Kansas City.

02:54:10.000 All right, man.

02:54:11.000 You can catch him.

02:54:12.000 Change your Twitter name.

02:54:14.000 Joe Schilling 187. I like it.

02:54:16.000 Better than three, right?

02:54:18.000 Was it two or three?

02:54:19.000 Joe Schilling 187 on Twitter.

02:54:22.000 Thanks, brother.

02:54:23.000 Appreciate you coming by, man.

02:54:24.000 Always a pleasure.

02:54:25.000 Always a pleasure.

02:54:25.000 Of course.

02:54:26.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back next week.

02:54:28.000 We've got a full schedule of podcasts.

02:54:32.000 Thanks, everybody.

02:54:32.000 Much love.

02:54:33.000 See you soon.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 07, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #645 - Joe Schilling

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