The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #651 - Jordan Gilbert (c9n0thing)

00:00:01.000 We are live.

00:00:02.000 That's it.

00:00:03.000 Hello, Jordan.

00:00:04.000 How's it going, Joe?

00:00:05.000 What's going?

00:00:06.000 Professional video game player, you.

00:00:08.000 What's up?

00:00:09.000 Dude, you're living the dream. 1.00

00:00:10.000 That's what every teenage boy who's sitting in front of his parents' television is, you fucking loser. 1.00

00:00:16.000 Get some shit done with your life. 1.00

00:00:18.000 That's actually how I pick up girls. 1.00

00:00:19.000 I go on Tinder and I say, I'm living the dream.

00:00:21.000 So they don't actually see that I say I play a professional game.

00:00:23.000 I just say, I'm living the dream.

00:00:25.000 Yeah, but it's like, what's your dream?

00:00:27.000 The childhood dream.

00:00:28.000 Everyone's like, well if you're a boy, I guess, right?

00:00:31.000 Well, when you first started playing video games, was there any professional option?

00:00:37.000 Um, well, kind of.

00:00:39.000 There's these teams, Team 3D, that was the first big team in North America, and they, like, I remember going to a local Fry's and buying a keyboard and seeing, like, one of their players quotes on the box, like, I use this keyboard because I'm gonna be the fucking best with this keyboard.

00:00:52.000 So I was like, awesome.

00:00:53.000 Like, that was actually a super big part of my motivation.

00:00:56.000 Like, I want to be on a box.

00:00:58.000 Keyboard box.

00:01:00.000 Now, when you first started playing, like, how old were you?

00:01:05.000 I think I was nine when my brother introduced me.

00:01:08.000 I have two older brothers.

00:01:08.000 My oldest brother was playing Counter-Strike, and of course I wasn't allowed to play, so I'm sitting there watching him play all day.

00:01:14.000 You weren't allowed to play?

00:01:14.000 No, it was his computer.

00:01:16.000 Oh, okay.

00:01:16.000 So he would shoot me out of his room, and then I would crawl on the floor, walk in, and try to watch him get into his room and watch.

00:01:22.000 And then when he would leave, he would go to school or something.

00:01:24.000 I would hop on his computer and I would play.

00:01:27.000 Counter-Strike is a weird one because that was, it was first, it was Half-Life.

00:01:30.000 Half-Life, Team Deathmatch, yeah.

00:01:32.000 Yeah, and then, like, nobody even talks about Half-Life.

00:01:36.000 That's the engine.

00:01:37.000 Yeah, then it became, Counter-Strike was, like, the big game.

00:01:40.000 So, Deathmatch, when you're playing Deathmatch, Counter-Strike, you're playing one-on-one or team versions of the Half-Life engine, but against other people.

00:01:51.000 That's what a lot of people that play Counter-Strike competitively use to warm up, deathmatch mode, because you just keep dying and respawning.

00:01:57.000 It's like a Quake insta-give or something, you know, you just keep restarting and just kill each other to kind of warm up your hands and whatnot, get them working well together.

00:02:07.000 Do you have, like, a ritual or anything you do before you play?

00:02:11.000 Well, I mean, it is muscle memory.

00:02:12.000 It is calisthenics.

00:02:13.000 At this point, though, like, obviously, if you're a golfer, you might not train as hard as you did when you wanted to make the tour, but you still have to do maintenance stuff.

00:02:20.000 So, like, when I hit a deathmatch, I'd get maybe 100 kills with each gun, and then I just...

00:02:26.000 Then I obviously have team practice, which is a different set of coordinating strategies and stuff, but for personally, yeah, I just try to make sure I'm still playing, so if I ever feel off, I can identify what's really off pretty quick, and I'll just go hone in on that gun or that part of a map or whatever, but yeah,

00:02:41.000 it's a mix of both, right?

00:02:43.000 Do you think that people don't respect how difficult it is to play competitive video games?

00:02:50.000 Yeah, definitely. 0.98

00:02:51.000 It's fucking really difficult. 0.88

00:02:53.000 The level of competence, the level of skill. 0.97

00:02:56.000 You can watch a lot of games online, and that's a big part of all this now, which is really fascinating, is how many people watch live games, or even with Quake, the big thing was watching demos.

00:03:07.000 I love Quake, yeah.

00:03:08.000 Yeah, people would watch demos of really good players.

00:03:11.000 You do that, too. 0.98

00:03:12.000 Yeah, I think part of it, obviously, is people don't know what the fuck they're looking at from an outside perspective. 0.68

00:03:17.000 So, like, certain games I can understand. 0.87

00:03:19.000 Starcraft or League of Legends or Watercraft, you're looking at all these spells flying around. 0.75

00:03:22.000 Yeah, that's ridiculous.

00:03:23.000 And those, like, action key moments normally happen over the course of, like, ten minutes or something.

00:03:27.000 Whereas in Counter-Strike or Quake, it's like, that guy just got that point, he's about to kill this guy, there's just 30 seconds left on the clock.

00:03:33.000 Right.

00:03:34.000 So I think that's actually more intuitively...

00:03:36.000 Easy for a spectator to watch as a spectator sport, but you're right.

00:03:39.000 Yeah, a lot of people I don't think comprehend what you go through.

00:03:42.000 They're like, oh, this kid just plays all day for fun and doesn't think about what he's doing.

00:03:45.000 He just happens to be good.

00:03:46.000 Yeah, it's always been fascinating to me how certain games get, they get taken seriously.

00:03:51.000 Like, certain games garner respect.

00:03:54.000 Like, chess.

00:03:55.000 If you were a really good chess player, like, oh, he's a sophisticated gentleman.

00:04:00.000 He's a chess player.

00:04:02.000 Yeah.

00:04:02.000 What do you do for a living?

00:04:03.000 I play chess.

00:04:04.000 Whoa, interesting.

00:04:05.000 What do you do for a living?

00:04:06.000 Oh, I play video games. 1.00

00:04:08.000 Oh, you fucking dork. 1.00

00:04:09.000 I say I play Counter-Strike, right? 1.00

00:04:10.000 I've progressed over that.

00:04:12.000 I play Counter-Strike. 0.99

00:04:13.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

00:04:13.000 Yeah, well, I do this. 0.99

00:04:15.000 Well, that's extra geeky, because you're naming the video game.

00:04:17.000 Well, you have to, because you say play video games, it's like saying you play pro sports.

00:04:21.000 To me, you know?

00:04:22.000 Right, right, right.

00:04:23.000 After a while.

00:04:24.000 So I try to make that distinction to do justice to my profession or whatever, so in the future people start questioning more about what I do.

00:04:32.000 Now, what level is the...

00:04:33.000 I mean, obviously there's Half-Life that came out, and then was the game engine continually upgraded?

00:04:40.000 Yeah, like I started playing on like beta version.

00:04:42.000 So beta 5.2.

00:04:43.000 Beta is basically before the game is full released, for those who don't know what a beta is.

00:04:47.000 There's like alphas and beta, right?

00:04:48.000 And then the full release.

00:04:50.000 So I played beta before it was even a game, a full version in stores, and yeah, all the weapons were different, and then 1.0, 1.1, 1.3.

00:04:57.000 The longest lasting version was 1.6, which I went pro in back in like...

00:05:02.000 I went pro in 2008, but it went...

00:05:04.000 How do you go pro?

00:05:05.000 Do you have to join a league, or do you have to pay for anything, sign up for stuff?

00:05:09.000 Well, there is a process.

00:05:10.000 It's not a conventional one like sports.

00:05:12.000 You don't go to a high school team and a college team.

00:05:14.000 There's no coaches in esports.

00:05:16.000 Well, recently there are.

00:05:17.000 There's coaches?

00:05:18.000 Recently, and we'll get into that.

00:05:20.000 Obviously, if you're going to play in NHL, you try to play for a college team or you go to juniors or semi-pro AHL. In this case, I play a league called ESEA. They have the Open Division Intermediate Main Premier Invite.

00:05:33.000 If you're an invite, you're really the only people that have a chance that can get paid to play by companies.

00:05:38.000 So when I say I went pro back in 2008, it's because I joined up a contract with an organization called Evil Geniuses, which is like my agency for an actor.

00:05:46.000 And they had sponsors from Intel, Newegg, a bunch of peripheral companies for my gear.

00:05:52.000 And they pay me to fly to the tournaments and I market them like I'm a NASCAR car.

00:05:55.000 I have their logos all over them.

00:05:57.000 I tell people why their gear is good, etc, etc.

00:06:00.000 Wow, okay.

00:06:02.000 So now back to the Counter-Strike, the Half-Life engine.

00:06:07.000 So is there several versions of it that they've come up with?

00:06:12.000 Like what version are you on now?

00:06:14.000 So now it's the most recent, called Global Offensive.

00:06:17.000 And is this a new version of Counter-Strike itself?

00:06:20.000 There's not a new version of Half-Life, right?

00:06:22.000 Nope.

00:06:22.000 They came out with Half-Life 2 at one point, but that was the Source engine.

00:06:26.000 So Counter-Strike Source came out, it was on that engine. 0.80

00:06:28.000 So for folks who don't know what the fuck we're talking about, this is what that means.

00:06:32.000 Like, video game engines, they take the engine... 0.94

00:06:35.000 That's the physics, everything that controls your world.

00:06:36.000 Yeah, the 3D geometry, the video, like, the way it looks, the graphics, and then they take that engine, and then they can port it over to other games.

00:06:45.000 And they can develop games based on that engine.

00:06:48.000 So it cuts a lot of the development process out, because a big part of the development process out is coming up with a video game engine.

00:06:54.000 Yep.

00:06:55.000 So yeah, I think Half-Life 2, I don't know when it exactly came out, if it was like 2004 or 5. That's kind of old, right?

00:07:03.000 Yeah, that was that.

00:07:05.000 10 years ago.

00:07:06.000 And so, like I said, I went pro in Counter-Strike 1.6 and that was like, everyone loved it.

00:07:10.000 It was like the original Quake, like the registration of like my bullet shooting when I hit a guy, like it worked.

00:07:15.000 It hit him when he shot him in the head.

00:07:16.000 Like some of these new versions of Counter-Strike that were coming out, It was almost too easy. 0.92

00:07:20.000 Like, you would shoot a bullet, like, right here, because the guy was moving weird, it would still register as a headshot.

00:07:24.000 Why is that?

00:07:25.000 Something was up with the engine, and it was like they were trying to up the graphics and the feel and to make it look more realistic, but that took away from, I guess, how fast the computer talked to the server.

00:07:39.000 You know, so then there was a discrepancy between, like, when I shot, when it actually hit the person.

00:07:44.000 And obviously that's why, like, I can't, when I practice, I can't play against Europeans because of internet lag, right? 0.97

00:07:50.000 Right.

00:07:50.000 So, like, that's why you would play on a LAN, because that's the fastest interaction between the server and the computer.

00:07:55.000 Yeah, if you've played online with an internet lag, and you get used to it, and then you play without the lag, it's like you go to paradise.

00:08:03.000 Yeah, it's like having to wait on your baseball bat or something.

00:08:06.000 Yeah, but some guys got really good at it.

00:08:09.000 Like, some guys get super good at timing their own fuck-up, their own lag. 0.99

00:08:13.000 Yeah, and some of it's bullshit, though, because then they're harder to hit. 0.99

00:08:16.000 Some of them are just glitching around. 1.00

00:08:18.000 They disappear. 1.00

00:08:19.000 Bullshit. 1.00

00:08:20.000 That's annoying. 1.00

00:08:21.000 At our level, we're really like prima donnas about what server location we play on.

00:08:25.000 Because my teammates are spread around the country.

00:08:27.000 So we all play on like a Denver server.

00:08:28.000 And you have to make sure that your ping is very low, right?

00:08:32.000 Like the ping to the server.

00:08:34.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:08:35.000 What's a good ping these days?

00:08:38.000 Well, playing in North America for Counter-Strike player, like 40 to 50 is like what we play on.

00:08:44.000 But like if I were to play in a Los Angeles server from San Diego, I get 15 because I'm closer.

00:08:48.000 But as a team, since we're all spread out, we're in like Toronto and all this stuff and across the country, we play centralized.

00:08:56.000 And that's milliseconds.

00:08:57.000 So it'd be like 15 milliseconds.

00:09:00.000 I guess.

00:09:01.000 So does that register in your head?

00:09:03.000 Do you notice the difference between 15 and 40?

00:09:05.000 Oh yeah.

00:09:06.000 Well, I could feel it.

00:09:07.000 It's really just like the gun itself.

00:09:10.000 I could feel it.

00:09:11.000 It's like a very small, like a lot of people don't notice the difference.

00:09:13.000 For the first couple years, they probably play the game.

00:09:15.000 But once you start realizing the different action of the recoil of the guns, you could feel it between each bullet.

00:09:21.000 This is super nerdy.

00:09:23.000 Yeah, I know you played Quake.

00:09:24.000 We'll talk about that later.

00:09:26.000 So my question is, how do you decide what game to become super adept at?

00:09:32.000 Because it seems like there's a lot of them now.

00:09:34.000 Well, how do you decide what sport you become adept at?

00:09:35.000 But I mean, games have a life where people won't play them anymore.

00:09:40.000 It gets to a point.

00:09:41.000 Try playing Quake 1 today.

00:09:42.000 Well, that's what happened with Counter-Strike 1.6.

00:09:45.000 It was kind of what I was kind of talking about.

00:09:47.000 The new version came out.

00:09:49.000 And because 1.6 was getting stagnant, like, since the developer doesn't give back to the game much and there isn't new shit coming out, people are like, well, this gets old.

00:09:57.000 Because they're not pro, they're playing for the fun of it.

00:09:59.000 That's the people that helped me make this my job, is the 80 or 90% of the community who isn't pro, who plays and is my viewership.

00:10:06.000 Is the people I talk to for my sponsors, etc.

00:10:08.000 Right.

00:10:09.000 So that was going downhill a lot at the end of Counter-Strike and other games like League of Legends, which is not a first-person shooter, and Dota.

00:10:16.000 These are like 5 vs. 0.63

00:10:17.000 5 strategy spells and like different types of stuff.

00:10:20.000 Yeah, that's when they lose me.

00:10:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:23.000 Fucking spells. 1.00

00:10:24.000 And so, yeah, that's how I played Counter-Strike. 0.99

00:10:26.000 I just loved the intuitive finesse you could bring to the game.

00:10:29.000 It wasn't just like chess.

00:10:30.000 It was more of like a, you know, chess to tennis or whatever you want to say.

00:10:34.000 I could actually, I could just outskill someone simply. 0.92

00:10:37.000 Even if they do a crazy strategy, I'm just gonna stand here and say, well, I'll shoot you every time, even if you think you're smarter. 0.65

00:10:42.000 Just your hand-eye coordination, your understanding of where the mouse is gonna move the cursor.

00:10:46.000 And I find a lot of people who play Counter-Strike were more physically fit people.

00:10:49.000 There's an archetype to different pro gamers. 0.73

00:10:52.000 A lot of people think everyone's a fat, pimply guy.

00:10:54.000 Well, I notice a lot of Counter-Strike players like myself grew up playing sports.

00:10:58.000 I played ice hockey all my youth.

00:11:00.000 A lot of my teammates are team athletes or just...

00:11:04.000 Who's the dorks? 1.00

00:11:05.000 Like StarCraft? 0.97

00:11:07.000 Are they the dorks? 0.93

00:11:08.000 World of Warcraft? 1.00

00:11:09.000 Those are the dorks, right? 0.93

00:11:10.000 And the thing is, I have friends in those realms too, right? 0.93

00:11:13.000 So there are those random people.

00:11:15.000 You got into Quake yourself, right?

00:11:16.000 There's all sorts of different people who get into games.

00:11:18.000 But generally, yeah, the people...

00:11:19.000 It's like chess.

00:11:20.000 StarCraft is more...

00:11:22.000 Cerebral game.

00:11:23.000 You're kind of premeditating a lot of your decisions, which you are in Counter-Strike too, but in a much more strategic way.

00:11:29.000 You could probably plug in any mouse and play StarCraft.

00:11:32.000 Whereas when my sponsor tries to give me a new mouse, I resist a lot because that's like, I don't know, a different baseball glove or a different curve on my ice hockey stick or a different set of irons as a golfer.

00:11:43.000 It really throws me off for a little bit.

00:11:45.000 Are they all laser mice now?

00:11:47.000 Yeah, but some obstacles work well if the surface is one color.

00:11:51.000 If the surface is multicolored on a mouse, it actually makes tracking harder.

00:11:54.000 Like these people have these crazy designs in their mouse pad.

00:11:56.000 That's actually detrimental to the tracking and stuff.

00:11:59.000 Really?

00:12:00.000 Yeah.

00:12:00.000 But no one uses a ball anymore.

00:12:02.000 No, no.

00:12:02.000 But I did start on a ball.

00:12:04.000 You open that shit up and blow it out. 1.00

00:12:05.000 Yeah, remember you have to... 1.00

00:12:06.000 I used to have Q-tips with alcohol.

00:12:09.000 I used to have to clean the little rollers.

00:12:10.000 Because they would gunk up with sweat and funk.

00:12:14.000 Oh, Joe was a gamer.

00:12:16.000 He was addicted to that thing.

00:12:18.000 I have a question.

00:12:19.000 If you're so good at Counter-Strike, can you pick up most first-person shooters and be really good at it?

00:12:24.000 On PC, yeah.

00:12:25.000 On PC. So you can go into Grand Theft Auto right now and just kill everybody. 0.96

00:12:29.000 Well, yeah, that's not really competitive, but yeah, exactly. 0.61

00:12:31.000 I'd probably do that.

00:12:32.000 Quake.

00:12:32.000 I used to play Quake all the time.

00:12:33.000 Rocket Arena 3, Quake 3, Instagram.

00:12:35.000 So you just have like really good understanding of what movement of your hand corresponds to the movement on the screen.

00:12:40.000 You get kind of a feel of it.

00:12:42.000 Yeah, just good dexterity.

00:12:43.000 Most first-person shooters are just, like you said, I heard you talking about Quake and it's really just intuitive.

00:12:48.000 Like you play it first and you're like, oh, I have to look with my mouse hand.

00:12:51.000 After a while, it's like an extension of your hands.

00:12:54.000 I don't think, I do a lot of actions per minute that I don't even comprehend because I'm reacting visually, not...

00:12:59.000 Mentally.

00:13:00.000 Yeah, there's like gun switches and moves that you would do that literally would come like tying your shoes.

00:13:06.000 Yeah, and then we get better.

00:13:07.000 That's a good way to look at it.

00:13:07.000 When you start playing better players, you manipulate those little things.

00:13:11.000 That's what we call the metagame.

00:13:13.000 It changes constantly because it's all based on intuition.

00:13:17.000 Right.

00:13:18.000 That's why it's so weird when you switch from game to game.

00:13:20.000 That was why I had that question.

00:13:22.000 Because if you got super into Counter-Strike, and then maybe...

00:13:27.000 Have you seen the teaser for the new Doom?

00:13:31.000 Oh, no.

00:13:32.000 Play it. 1.00

00:13:33.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:13:33.000 I didn't know about this. 1.00

00:13:34.000 Play it, Jamie.

00:13:35.000 Yes.

00:13:35.000 Doom.

00:13:35.000 There's a new Doom.

00:13:37.000 I'm fucking... 1.00

00:13:38.000 I worship at the altar of John Carmack. 1.00

00:13:40.000 Yes. 1.00

00:13:41.000 He's the baddest motherfucker ever when it comes to this shit, but this new Doom, the graphics are just so ridiculous. 1.00

00:13:46.000 It's just like, fucking Christ. 1.00

00:13:47.000 It's been a while, right? 0.99

00:13:49.000 Yeah, it's been a while.

00:13:50.000 I mean, he's been doing a bunch of different kind of video games as well, but...

00:13:53.000 Remember when the...

00:13:55.000 Here, let's play it real quick and we'll show you this.

00:13:57.000 Because this is really crazy.

00:13:59.000 It'll be to the left of you, to the right of you as well, rather.

00:14:02.000 We'll just play it on that then.

00:14:03.000 It doesn't matter.

00:14:05.000 Go full screen, Jamie.

00:14:08.000 Look at this.

00:14:13.000 That's all you get.

00:14:14.000 Are you serious?

00:14:15.000 That's it?

00:14:16.000 That's it. 1.00

00:14:17.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:14:17.000 That's all you get. 1.00

00:14:18.000 June 14th, they're going to show gameplay.

00:14:22.000 We'll play it one more time.

00:14:24.000 Yeah, June 14th, you get to see the actual full thing being played, I guess.

00:14:29.000 What are you doing?

00:14:30.000 You switching things on us?

00:14:31.000 Pull that again.

00:14:32.000 Can't hear it.

00:14:33.000 Yeah, we need... 0.97

00:14:34.000 Welcome to hell. 0.97

00:14:40.000 That's dope. 0.93

00:14:43.000 Cue the Pantera.

00:14:45.000 But like when you would play that, like if you play that game and you got used to that physics, like I remember going from Quake to Unreal.

00:14:51.000 It would like screw you up a little, even though it was awesome.

00:14:55.000 It was like it moved just a little different, the mouse cursor moved a little different, and you know, you get your settings and you try to like fidget with it and try to get it to a place where you kind of understand what was happening intuitively.

00:15:09.000 When we get a new game that's a first-person shooter, you go in and see how the game takes your sensitivity, if it's directly from your mouse or from Windows.

00:15:17.000 So that's called raw input.

00:15:18.000 Some games have raw input where it takes your mouse sensitivity and I can go in and dial it basically into how my Counter-Strike feels.

00:15:24.000 Some don't.

00:15:25.000 Some you have to go in and they have their own in-game sensitivity and you have to slide the notch weird and it's got its own extrapolation of what a default sense is and every time you move one notch it's 1.25 the original versus another David. 0.84

00:15:41.000 And then there's mouse acceleration, which is fucking weird.

00:15:44.000 Yeah, I turned that off, obviously. 0.93

00:15:45.000 The faster...

00:15:45.000 But some guys really loved it.

00:15:47.000 Like, the faster you moved the hand, it corresponded to a different type of movement with the mouse.

00:15:52.000 Yeah.

00:15:52.000 Whereas, like, under normal circumstances, you move left, you move right, and the cursor moves left or right.

00:15:57.000 And it's independent on whether or not you move fast.

00:16:00.000 But if you move fast with mouse acceleration, it moves way faster on screen.

00:16:05.000 Yeah, it's got that extra...

00:16:06.000 It's almost like it's a gyroscope or something like that.

00:16:09.000 It's got some momentum to it.

00:16:12.000 Yeah, when, uh, if you notice, so with first person shooters, a lot of people set their arm differently on the desk.

00:16:18.000 So people, some people play with wrists, so they're called wrist players.

00:16:20.000 So this is like the hinge.

00:16:21.000 They're called wrist players.

00:16:22.000 With a wrist aimer, right?

00:16:23.000 Right.

00:16:23.000 So wrist aimer has their wrists kind of set down, and when they're moving, they have...

00:16:27.000 Wait a minute, wrist tamer?

00:16:28.000 Wrist aimer, sorry.

00:16:29.000 Wrist aimer.

00:16:30.000 I like to mumble.

00:16:31.000 Okay.

00:16:31.000 Yeah, wrist aimer.

00:16:32.000 And then I'm more of an elbow, so my elbow is my hinge, so I have more control, so I use a lower sensitivity, right?

00:16:37.000 Oh, okay, so you move faster.

00:16:39.000 So I can swipe larger swipes.

00:16:40.000 Hmm.

00:16:41.000 Someone playing with their wrist is doing this, so they use a higher sensitivity.

00:16:44.000 Some of those people don't mind using a little Excel because they can do these little flick moves and kind of just really get into the groove with that, and it's smaller, whereas I have bigger motions that make me more comfortable.

00:16:55.000 So if I have a little bit of Excel, I want it to be as true as possible to my actual hand because I'm doing these bigger movements.

00:17:02.000 Do you have a large mouse pad as well?

00:17:04.000 Uh, yeah, but I actually have two on top of each other.

00:17:07.000 I'm one of the few people who uses, like, a hard mouse pad versus just cloth.

00:17:10.000 So I like the plastic feel, and I have to, like, replace it, like, every three months because I grind it down.

00:17:15.000 Whoa.

00:17:15.000 So, like, my sponsors are, like, sending me...

00:17:17.000 Grind it down.

00:17:17.000 How many hours are you playing a day, son?

00:17:19.000 Do you get outside?

00:17:20.000 Do you know about vitamin D? Yeah, that's it.

00:17:22.000 I got one.

00:17:23.000 I live in San Diego, man.

00:17:24.000 You know I'm outside.

00:17:25.000 There you go.

00:17:26.000 Like, how many hours do you have to play a day to stay fit?

00:17:29.000 Well, when we're...

00:17:30.000 When I say fit, in the loosest possible.

00:17:33.000 I mean, but it is a sort of...

00:17:34.000 I do my push-ups, right?

00:17:35.000 But it is a sort of, you know, in shape for the game.

00:17:38.000 Calisthenics, just like, yeah, when I take a vacation, I come back, I'm like, whoa, this looks weird for a second.

00:17:43.000 Really?

00:17:43.000 Yeah, for a couple weeks, even, I just come back.

00:17:45.000 But I'll get into it quick.

00:17:46.000 If we have a tournament coming up, since it's very team-centric, we dry-run, we premeditate a dozen strategies on the counter-terrorist and on the terror side.

00:17:54.000 You really try to memorize what you and your teammates are going to do.

00:17:57.000 So if something is thrown a wrench into your gears, you have to react on the fly somewhat within a certain scale of thought.

00:18:04.000 So when I'm playing for a tournament, that's like we get on at 3 p.m., we end at 11. Whoa!

00:18:10.000 Jesus Christ.

00:18:11.000 What about food?

00:18:12.000 What about water?

00:18:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:13.000 Bathroom breaks?

00:18:14.000 What do you guys do?

00:18:15.000 Pissing? 0.84

00:18:15.000 Do you have a bucket next to you? 0.84

00:18:17.000 Yeah, so this is why I'll expel the archetype.

00:18:18.000 No, like, for instance, when we do these boot camps, three out of five of us at least wake up and go to the gym.

00:18:23.000 We wake up, go to the gym, shower.

00:18:25.000 We play on our own, like, deathmatch.

00:18:27.000 Chill, eat.

00:18:28.000 And then, like, take that, like, hour before to make sure we're...

00:18:30.000 Okay, when you're saying you play on your own deathmatch, what does that mean?

00:18:34.000 So you connect to a public server, maybe under an alias, so people don't... 0.96

00:18:37.000 Give a shit because everyone knows our names in the game. 0.99

00:18:39.000 So we'll like go in a deathmatch kind of hidden and we'll just like you just kill, respond, kill, respond. 0.99

00:18:44.000 Deathmatch isn't like a real mode like we don't care about our stats.

00:18:47.000 We're just just having fun.

00:18:48.000 We might like sometimes I purposely look away from a doorway so when some guy comes through and I practice a 90 degree turn and hitting him in the head so I just constantly have my my back to a guy so when he comes I can hear him and I flick around and That's the thing that a lot of people don't know about video games, is that you can hear in three dimensions,

00:19:04.000 too.

00:19:05.000 Like, if something's coming back behind you, back to your right, you can actually hear it back into your right, which is really spooky.

00:19:12.000 Yeah, we use sound all the time to manipulate things, or we make it seem like we don't know they're behind us.

00:19:17.000 I'll run out this doorway, and I know a guy's trailing me, so when I run to the left, my teammate's on the right, waiting for him to come shoot me on the left.

00:19:23.000 So we manipulate sound all the time, so yeah, it's a huge part of it.

00:19:26.000 So are you guys, when you plan out your strategies, do you have a video chat where you go over these strategies in physical form?

00:19:38.000 Do you write it out?

00:19:40.000 So obviously, first of all, sometimes when we boot camp, we're all in the same location.

00:19:43.000 So if we have a big tournament in Stockholm, we go to Stockholm 10 days in advance.

00:19:47.000 The best teams in Counter-Strike are in Europe.

00:19:50.000 That's just where they are.

00:19:51.000 My team is...

00:19:52.000 I've won a couple world championships in the old game, but I've never been a world champ in a new game yet. 1.00

00:19:58.000 Because it's a team game, and we'll get to semis or something, but those guys are the shit. 0.98

00:20:02.000 And I'm all friends with all of them, but that point aside... 1.00

00:20:06.000 I wonder why Europe...

00:20:07.000 Wait, what was the question?

00:20:08.000 Sorry.

00:20:09.000 You were talking about, Jesus, what was the original question?

00:20:12.000 Getting together, strategy.

00:20:14.000 Oh, so how we go with strategy.

00:20:16.000 So yeah, so on offense, you dry run in a server.

00:20:19.000 We all connect to the same private server.

00:20:21.000 And we just...

00:20:24.000 Basically, we're like, okay, we're gonna take this bomb site. 0.80

00:20:26.000 What number of ways can we do it?

00:20:27.000 If we have a full economy, meaning do we have every grenade in our arsenal?

00:20:30.000 Do we have no grenades?

00:20:31.000 Do we have to dry walk in?

00:20:32.000 We say dry when we have nothing to really assist us.

00:20:35.000 No smoke, grenades, no flash.

00:20:36.000 So we say, hey, we're gonna three dry walk into this bomb site. 0.68

00:20:39.000 You two watch our flank.

00:20:40.000 So that means they're not gonna throw anything, right?

00:20:43.000 So if we're gonna hit this room right here and we're gonna come in and kill Joe Rogan, If we wanted to come in here, we'd throw a flashbang through that door, right?

00:20:50.000 And then we'd smoke off the kitchen right here, so no one in the kitchen has vision on the people coming through that doorway.

00:20:55.000 And then, you know, we expect the only angles they could hold are under that TV and behind where...

00:21:01.000 Yeah, where he's sitting back here.

00:21:03.000 Jamie.

00:21:03.000 I had his name.

00:21:04.000 I want to say Riley for some reason.

00:21:05.000 Jamie.

00:21:06.000 He's going to be Riley from now on.

00:21:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:21:08.000 Riley.

00:21:09.000 Sorry, Riley.

00:21:11.000 That is named, right?

00:21:13.000 So you would plan out all of them?

00:21:15.000 But if we have no grenades, obviously, we're coming into Joe's studio dry, right?

00:21:19.000 Mm-hmm.

00:21:19.000 No lube.

00:21:20.000 So these strategies are based upon the geometry of the room?

00:21:25.000 Yeah, the type of the map, how fast...

00:21:27.000 We have things called fakes, where we'll throw everything in here and make it look like we're coming to kill you, and all of a sudden the three of us are taking your teammates out who we're catching on the rotation.

00:21:36.000 Because we're saying, when we throw all this shit in this room, Joe's going to say, guys, they're coming in, they're coming in, which is going to cause your guys watching the outback to come towards you and help you, and then we're going to... 0.99

00:21:45.000 We're gonna jump them in the backyard. 1.00

00:21:46.000 And so these strategies are all planned out in advance, and you have names for them?

00:21:50.000 Yeah, so we'll call it like Sonic, or Gatorade, or...

00:21:53.000 And you can hear each other, but you can't hear them?

00:21:57.000 Yeah, we connect to a third-party software, like Mumble or TeamSpeak.

00:22:01.000 It's kind of like Skype, but you press a hotkey, it's like a walkie-talkie.

00:22:05.000 And so you will talk to each other while you're playing the game, like, look out, he's behind you.

00:22:10.000 Does anybody hack into your line and they can, like, find out what you're saying?

00:22:14.000 Back in the day, that was kind of like a thing that would happen between friends.

00:22:17.000 Like, you're playing, you do, we call them ten-mans, where you pick two captains and everyone throws their name in a hat and you play random five-versus-five teams.

00:22:23.000 And you're all on the same voice server.

00:22:25.000 Well, one guy will, you can clone the program and open it again and he'll come in and join your channel while he's playing.

00:22:30.000 So he'll have, like, one ear on what you guys are doing and that's, like, a scummy thing friends would do to each other.

00:22:34.000 Dirty person.

00:22:35.000 But when we're playing at a pro level, it can't happen because we're isolated. 0.92

00:22:38.000 Now, with online gaming, one of the things that was a real problem with Quake was bots.

00:22:44.000 Was people that would have aiming bots.

00:22:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:46.000 Where they couldn't miss.

00:22:47.000 And you'd get on a server, and some guy would be shooting guys that were, like, jumping through the air, shooting you in midair, couldn't miss, and they'd kill everybody.

00:22:56.000 Do they have that with Counter-Strike?

00:22:59.000 Yep, there's wallhack and aimbot.

00:23:01.000 So wallhack is just obviously transparent walls.

00:23:04.000 You can just see everything. 1.00

00:23:05.000 Those guys are piece of shit. 1.00

00:23:07.000 And aimbot, and they're all piece of shit, right? 1.00

00:23:10.000 So we've all, like, I'd say a majority of pros have messed around with it for fun with their friends. 0.99

00:23:15.000 Like, yo guys, let's go cheat versus each other and see how gnarly it is.

00:23:18.000 We used to do that back in the old versions.

00:23:20.000 In the new game, you can't even screw around with it because they have such a crazy anti-cheat, which is what I was just going to say.

00:23:25.000 Now, it's really hard to do that.

00:23:27.000 It's a multi-million dollar industry, cheating in competitive games.

00:23:31.000 It's not a huge, huge industry, but people update it.

00:23:35.000 Every time the game developer creates a better firewall or whatever for the cheats, they go in, look at the code, find a way around it to do their aimbot.

00:23:44.000 Jesus Christ.

00:23:46.000 Yeah, but obviously at pro level, I don't deal with cheaters.

00:23:50.000 Oh, that's actually wrong, but last year, that was the first ever time at a pro level where people found a way to cheat, and the guy got banned for life from tournaments.

00:23:57.000 For life!

00:23:59.000 For life!

00:24:00.000 Well, because he cheated at like a LAN qualifier, supposedly, LAN local area network, where we're all, they were like, it's a French player, and he literally got caught...

00:24:08.000 It's like the smallest cheat ever found.

00:24:10.000 They found a way to like it's like 50 kilobytes and they inserted it and like it was like a trigger bot so it wasn't a full-time aim bot so he could press a button and it would snap to the nearest enemy so even if they're behind a wall so he could be chillin and just press this button and it would like snap to the wall and you knew a guy was about to come around that corridor or something.

00:24:27.000 It was super low-key but super scummy.

00:24:30.000 How'd they catch him?

00:24:33.000 I forget the series of events, but there was some red flag on his account, and then the people have the ability to zoom in and narrow their scope onto one account and scan their system.

00:24:45.000 And they did that, and they found some shady traces of cheating, and then he admitted it.

00:24:49.000 And he's like, I'm sorry guys, I can't lie anymore.

00:24:51.000 Wow, and so now he's done for the rest of his life.

00:24:54.000 What if he comes back with a different name?

00:24:56.000 Yeah, well, I mean, we'd see his face.

00:24:57.000 We know what he looks like.

00:24:58.000 What if he gets plastic surgery?

00:24:59.000 He chinners it up.

00:25:01.000 Grows a big beard or something.

00:25:03.000 The plastic surgery, yeah, right?

00:25:05.000 Plastic surgery's pretty epic.

00:25:07.000 Couldn't a guy just apologize?

00:25:09.000 That's what he did formally, but the thing is, it's pretty scummy.

00:25:13.000 That's like someone...

00:25:14.000 It's not only roiding.

00:25:15.000 That would be like having jetpacks on your feet playing football.

00:25:19.000 And almost like poisoning the opponent.

00:25:21.000 Yeah, it's not just roiding.

00:25:23.000 That's like God power.

00:25:25.000 This is like Nancy Kerrigan.

00:25:26.000 Yeah.

00:25:27.000 Like, you remember Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding?

00:25:29.000 Where Tonya Harding hired someone to whack Nancy Kerrigan in the legs? 1.00

00:25:33.000 Like, that's crazy. 1.00

00:25:34.000 Next level scumbag. 1.00

00:25:35.000 That's next level shit. 1.00

00:25:36.000 So, um, so there's very few ways that a person could cheat in the professional realm. 0.99

00:25:43.000 There's things like, so you have a little mini-map, a radar.

00:25:45.000 You can make it so all the other team shows up on their radar, too.

00:25:49.000 Oh, so you can find out where you're...

00:25:51.000 So, when you're playing, you know where your guys are at any given moment.

00:25:54.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:25:54.000 And you could make a hack so that other people...

00:25:57.000 If they're just little dots, right, moving around the rotating map, which are your teammates, you can make it so all ten people in the game show up or whoever, maybe.

00:26:04.000 But if you try to do that professionally, you'd get banned for life.

00:26:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:07.000 Like, you might be able to have a button that toggles it on and off, and, like, if no admin is watching you.

00:26:11.000 But when you play the tournaments, you have, like, people walking behind you.

00:26:14.000 That's so crazy.

00:26:16.000 Now, what kind of money is involved in this now?

00:26:18.000 So which facet of it, right?

00:26:20.000 What can, like, okay, give me the top of the food chain first.

00:26:23.000 Like, what's the top of the food chain video gamer make per year?

00:26:26.000 Well, so I play Counter-Strike, right?

00:26:28.000 So remember, League of Legends, Counter-Strike.

00:26:29.000 League of Legends is huge right now.

00:26:31.000 League of Legends.

00:26:32.000 League of Legends, because the game developer themselves...

00:26:34.000 I don't even know what that is.

00:26:34.000 Is that like a superhero game?

00:26:36.000 Yeah, 5 vs.

00:26:36.000 5. It's like Dota.

00:26:38.000 I don't know if you've heard of Dota either.

00:26:39.000 It's 5 vs.

00:26:40.000 5, overview.

00:26:41.000 You go from one end of the corner of the map through three different lanes.

00:26:45.000 And yeah, spells and different heroes.

00:26:48.000 I'm only interested in first-person stuff. 0.93

00:26:50.000 That's way more exciting, that overhead view shit. 0.98

00:26:53.000 Well, regardless, those people... 0.98

00:26:55.000 That's, like you said, I've always been to first-person shooters.

00:26:59.000 But yeah, those games, their developer was the first one to really get involved with the competitive community and give a bunch of prize money back, like $10 million tournaments.

00:27:07.000 Like, insane.

00:27:08.000 So, like, some of these players in the past couple years have made, like, over a million dollars each because of those tournaments.

00:27:14.000 But if you're talking, like, the average salary of League of Legends players, they're all making a couple hundred grand a year.

00:27:19.000 Six figures. 0.99

00:27:19.000 No shit. 0.99

00:27:20.000 So that's for the top guys. 0.99

00:27:21.000 Yeah.

00:27:22.000 Yeah, so for me and my teammates, we can all make six-figure salaries. 0.97

00:27:25.000 See, your parents have got to fucking respect that, right?

00:27:29.000 At a certain point in time, you know, you go, Mom, do you know what a lawyer makes? 0.99

00:27:33.000 Okay, I make that. 1.00

00:27:34.000 So go tell your fucking friends I'm a lawyer and get off my back. 1.00

00:27:37.000 Yeah, I had cool-ass parents, luckily. 1.00

00:27:39.000 Like, my dad was kind of the reality check, but in a positive way.

00:27:42.000 Like, you realize that this is kind of a volatile career.

00:27:45.000 Like, you're probably going to, like, not...

00:27:47.000 This might not apply to anything after you've done competing.

00:27:50.000 Luckily for me, I've done a lot of little things, and I kind of have some connections, but...

00:27:54.000 Yeah.

00:27:54.000 After you're done competing, assuming you're going to be done competing.

00:27:57.000 Yeah, assuming you're going to be done, not just addicted to life.

00:27:59.000 But that's the thing is, yeah, you don't know what it's going to be.

00:28:02.000 But my mom was always like, I credit why I went pro to kind of her being cool with me.

00:28:07.000 She would drive me to Las Vegas from San Diego, Arizona, Northern California, because she saw how into it I was.

00:28:13.000 Wow.

00:28:13.000 And I included her on it.

00:28:14.000 I think that was a big thing for any of you out there who want to pursue gaming.

00:28:18.000 You can't just... 1.00

00:28:19.000 Fucking ignore everything in your life and get bad grades and do all this shit in school. 1.00

00:28:23.000 You have to, like, balance stuff, right? 1.00

00:28:24.000 So, like, I was kind of like a nerd in that sense at a young age.

00:28:27.000 I played ice hockey, came home, did my schoolwork, played Counter-Strike the rest of the night.

00:28:30.000 And I told my mom every night who I'm playing with, what team, what level I'm at.

00:28:34.000 And so when I finally said, hey, mom, I can go to this tournament, I'm old enough, because they had an age limit, like, you had to be 15. I was like I really want to go and so she started driving me and like pretty soon after I was making a name for myself on the west coast like there's this little kid sounds like a girl he's fucking fucking everybody up it's like little munchkin and he's just he's insane at the game individually but obviously you need to be a good team player so everyone kind of spread my name but my mom was yeah right there driving me to these lands I would play we'd get there at like 10 a.m.

00:29:01.000 in Irvine or something and She would be knitting and hanging out, go see a movie, come back, pick me up at 2 a.m., drive me home to San Diego. 0.63

00:29:07.000 That's so crazy!

00:29:09.000 Now, Starcraft is still a huge game.

00:29:11.000 Starcraft's awesome.

00:29:12.000 Is that the biggest game?

00:29:13.000 What's the biggest game?

00:29:14.000 Right now, it's probably first League of Legends, then Dota and Counter-Strike, us three.

00:29:18.000 Wow!

00:29:19.000 So Star Trek...

00:29:20.000 It kind of hit a plateau.

00:29:22.000 It did.

00:29:22.000 2012. What was that about?

00:29:24.000 I think...

00:29:25.000 People got bored with...

00:29:27.000 Yeah, I don't know exactly why.

00:29:30.000 Twitch really blew it up.

00:29:32.000 So Twitch is streaming, right?

00:29:33.000 Like you stream.

00:29:34.000 Twitch blew it up because...

00:29:35.000 So Twitch is a website where people stream videos.

00:29:38.000 Gaming, yeah.

00:29:38.000 So you watch the video games being played.

00:29:41.000 It's like webcam models for gamers where these guys are making thousands and thousands of dollars an hour just for playing video games.

00:29:48.000 Just playing it on Twitch? 0.98

00:29:49.000 And you get tips and donations and all that shit. 1.00

00:29:52.000 You have to show your ass? 1.00

00:29:53.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:29:54.000 How's that work?

00:29:55.000 In some cases, some might.

00:29:56.000 Do you squirt?

00:29:58.000 There's no squirting, man.

00:29:59.000 It's been proven.

00:30:01.000 It's pee.

00:30:02.000 Okay, so let me circle around all the things you just said.

00:30:04.000 Okay, pee first. 0.61

00:30:06.000 Are you bleeding squirting or not? 0.99

00:30:09.000 Squirting is like the sexual chemtrails. 1.00

00:30:12.000 That's what it is. 0.91

00:30:13.000 It's like the people that believe in it, they won't let it go.

00:30:15.000 Pheromone's real.

00:30:16.000 No, it's pee.

00:30:18.000 It's proven by scientists. 0.93

00:30:20.000 I'm pissing my pants right now.

00:30:20.000 It never existed until a few years ago.

00:30:22.000 Are you attracted to me, Brian?

00:30:23.000 All these years, all these years, women for all these years were holding in their pee, and then someone told them they don't have to anymore, and they started just peeing all over guys and calling it squirting. 0.97

00:30:33.000 That was the baby boom? 0.98

00:30:34.000 Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what's going on.

00:30:35.000 It's kind of the same thing. 0.99

00:30:36.000 Dude, that shit's funny though. 1.00

00:30:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:38.000 On that note, people do a lot of crazy shit for cameras. 1.00

00:30:40.000 I started becoming somewhat of a different person when I first started streaming because the chat itself is like a comedian, right? 0.98

00:30:46.000 You get up there, you get high off the people's energy of interacting with you.

00:30:51.000 So while you're playing, do you have a separate monitor that has the chat?

00:30:54.000 I have two monitors, two webcams.

00:30:55.000 Two monitors?

00:30:56.000 A studio mic like this one hanging above me.

00:30:58.000 A studio mic while you're playing video?

00:31:00.000 That's because, like I said, I have a high voice.

00:31:01.000 I need to like...

00:31:02.000 Not pierce people's ears.

00:31:03.000 You were saying that before the show. 1.00

00:31:05.000 You were saying your voice is so high that if you go, what the fuck? 0.99

00:31:08.000 Yeah, like I need to ask this mic, otherwise it'd freak people out. 0.98

00:31:11.000 So, I don't know how we got to Twitch, but yeah, Twitch is huge.

00:31:14.000 They got bought by Amazon for $970 million. 0.99

00:31:17.000 What the fuck, Amazon? 0.99

00:31:19.000 What are you doing with your money? 0.99

00:31:21.000 Yeah, no, it's because it's got, so the League of Legends finals last year had more viewership, I think, than the NHL Stanley Cup and the Rose Bowl combined.

00:31:30.000 What?

00:31:31.000 It's the future, Joe.

00:31:33.000 Hold on.

00:31:34.000 It's the future.

00:31:35.000 And the reason the ad value is so overwhelmingly valuable is because the interaction, right?

00:31:43.000 Everyone's chatting.

00:31:44.000 They're talking directly to it. 1.00

00:31:46.000 When you're on a couch watching a TV, you're like, oh, this commercial's fucking dumb. 0.99

00:31:48.000 Or, oh, cool, Super Bowl commercial. 1.00

00:31:50.000 On Twitch, you're like, wow, look at this fucking clown in the commercial. 1.00

00:31:53.000 Oh, that's awesome. 1.00

00:31:54.000 Or, that's a cool product.

00:31:55.000 But you're typing.

00:31:56.000 Right.

00:31:56.000 So the engagement is there.

00:31:57.000 The stats are there.

00:31:58.000 Literally, I have on my channel, I have one button I click, and I have my demographic, what countries watch me, how many hours they watch.

00:32:04.000 I have all the stats on my page that I can export to my sponsors or whoever supports my page.

00:32:09.000 Whoa, okay. 0.99

00:32:10.000 Let's go to this fucking website. 1.00

00:32:12.000 We have to investigate. 1.00

00:32:13.000 Check out one of our past ones.

00:32:15.000 We do.

00:32:15.000 I'm with Kim all the time.

00:32:17.000 Let's watch some real players.

00:32:19.000 I want to see some real players.

00:32:20.000 No disrespect, Brian. 0.98

00:32:21.000 But I like to see guys actually know what the fuck they're doing. 0.90

00:32:24.000 When you're playing this and you're doing this, what's an average viewer? 0.97

00:32:29.000 How many viewers average do you get?

00:32:32.000 I get like four to five thousand concurrent at a time.

00:32:35.000 Four or five thousand is normal.

00:32:36.000 My teammate has probably- I have a teammate who streams a lot more than me.

00:32:39.000 He gets like ten to fifteen thousand.

00:32:40.000 Okay, let's watch your game.

00:32:41.000 Let's watch Counter-Strike.

00:32:42.000 So this is all the different games that are available that you can watch?

00:32:45.000 Yeah, you can actually watch poker and music now.

00:32:46.000 Hold on a second.

00:32:47.000 You can watch poker, guys play poker?

00:32:49.000 Yeah.

00:32:50.000 From their home.

00:32:51.000 So you watch people play video- Play live tournaments.

00:32:53.000 Live video tournaments, or- Yeah, so my buddy Griffin's actually huge at poker.

00:32:58.000 My buddy, Shaguar is his name.

00:33:00.000 He used to be a pro Counter-Strike player.

00:33:01.000 He's up like six million in poker. 0.99

00:33:03.000 Click on one of these and let's see what the fuck goes on. 0.99

00:33:06.000 Look how many viewers are over there. 0.99

00:33:07.000 This guy's from Poland.

00:33:08.000 Actually, I met him in Poland a while ago.

00:33:09.000 Is this live right now?

00:33:10.000 He's...

00:33:11.000 33,000 views.

00:33:12.000 Jesus Christ.

00:33:13.000 What's 27 million?

00:33:15.000 That's his overall viewership. 1.00

00:33:17.000 Fucking Christ. 0.99

00:33:18.000 And so this guy is... 0.99

00:33:19.000 This is Counter-Strike.

00:33:20.000 Boy, the graphics are crude.

00:33:22.000 So it's...

00:33:23.000 Yeah, it's...

00:33:25.000 So that's an AK-47.

00:33:27.000 Hold on, crank his volume up.

00:33:28.000 What is he saying?

00:33:31.000 So, this is two Polish teams.

00:33:32.000 He's speaking Polish.

00:33:33.000 This guy's actually Polish.

00:33:34.000 I've met him when I was in a tournament in Poland.

00:33:36.000 Really?

00:33:36.000 The team on the right, Virtus.pro, is like the best team in Poland.

00:33:40.000 They're playing gamers too for an online league.

00:33:41.000 So I guess the graphics are not that important, because this seems really dated.

00:33:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:46.000 Well, Counter-Strike's, like, compared to the old version of Counter-Strike, this is, like, a big upgrade.

00:33:50.000 So, like, that's been the thing that's actually kind of made it cool, is that, because obviously the craze of the graphics and the physics, the gameplay itself is less true.

00:33:59.000 Like, you remember playing Quake, how'd that look, right?

00:34:02.000 Like, if Quake was super modernized, I have a feeling that the integrity of the physics would go downhill on.

00:34:08.000 Yeah, well that was one of the things that people didn't like about the newer games, is that the physics changed, like Quake 2 changed, and then Quake 3 became more like Quake 2. So you see the chat on the right, everyone's going nuts.

00:34:19.000 A lot of people like, or Quake 3 rather, became more like Quake 1. Yeah, because everyone brings their feedback, like, oh, Quake 2 did this, I don't like it.

00:34:26.000 Well, it was slower.

00:34:27.000 The thing about Quake 2 is, like, the movement was slower.

00:34:31.000 But the graphics were better.

00:34:32.000 But then Quake 3 was, like, sort of the best.

00:34:34.000 Jamie, can you find one of the hot chicks playing Counter-Strike? 1.00

00:34:36.000 Yeah.

00:34:37.000 That's the new thing, is the cam girls are now becoming gamer girls.

00:34:41.000 And they're free time.

00:34:42.000 Really?

00:34:42.000 So that's what I've been training Kim Condom to do, and a couple other girls, is to play games.

00:34:47.000 You're ruining the movement, Brian.

00:34:49.000 There's all these...

00:34:50.000 There's all these girls who are like, we gotta stop showing our cleavage and be taken seriously. 0.60

00:34:53.000 And I'm like, no, show your cleavage, you'll make money. 1.00

00:34:56.000 How is he ruining the movement, then?

00:34:58.000 No, I was joking, because he was like, pull up on these cam girls. 0.99

00:35:01.000 Pull these up, Jamie.

00:35:03.000 Okay, so she's cool. 0.99

00:35:04.000 She gets shit a lot, this girl. 1.00

00:35:05.000 She's from Canada. 1.00

00:35:06.000 The kiddie plays. 0.99

00:35:08.000 So she gets shit a lot because she spends a lot of time interacting and not playing. 0.99

00:35:11.000 Like this. 0.99

00:35:12.000 Yeah, so she's sitting there chatting. 1.00

00:35:14.000 She's an attention whore. 1.00

00:35:16.000 No offense, ma'am. 1.00

00:35:17.000 So I've met her.

00:35:18.000 She's a cool person.

00:35:19.000 She just likes attention. 1.00

00:35:20.000 But she knows, she probably makes, I don't know what she makes, this is me just bullshitting, but she at me makes 10 to 20 grand a month. 0.99

00:35:26.000 Yeah.

00:35:26.000 What?

00:35:28.000 Hold the fuck on. 1.00

00:35:30.000 This girl makes 10 to 20, let's listen to what she has to say, Jamie. 1.00

00:35:39.000 If anyone watching Joe Rogan's stream right now, can you go in Kitty's chat and say something?

00:35:43.000 There it is, Joe Rogan's watching.

00:35:44.000 I knew they would.

00:35:46.000 Alright, so if you guys want to play with me, this is the best time to come play with me.

00:35:51.000 So we can get a Joe Rogan spam in the chat probably just by saying this.

00:35:55.000 I'm sure we can.

00:35:56.000 There it is, powerful Joe Rogan.

00:35:59.000 So that's why it kind of gets addictive.

00:36:01.000 You see, I start streaming and people would be like...

00:36:03.000 So, if you scroll down...

00:36:05.000 I'll text her.

00:36:06.000 On the page.

00:36:07.000 Can you scroll below her?

00:36:08.000 Do you know her?

00:36:09.000 Jamie?

00:36:10.000 You can text her like you know her as a human being?

00:36:12.000 Could you scroll down and show like where it says you can tip?

00:36:14.000 So right, if you keep going down, it'll say like, donate somewhere.

00:36:19.000 Contribute.

00:36:20.000 See, so right there if you click contribute.

00:36:21.000 Click here to make a donation.

00:36:22.000 Any donation of $3 or more will pop up as a fan letter on the stream.

00:36:25.000 So what people do is they donate $100 to say, hey kitty, hope you have a great day.

00:36:29.000 Or $5 or $3 or...

00:36:32.000 You have a minimum, right?

00:36:33.000 Scroll back so we can see the chat.

00:36:35.000 The chat.

00:36:36.000 See Joe Rogan, they're going off.

00:36:38.000 Hey Jordan, Joe Rogan, see everyone's going off.

00:36:40.000 Joe... 1.00

00:36:45.000 I love this shit. 1.00

00:36:46.000 What is going on? 1.00

00:36:50.000 And people can subscribe to you, kind of like, you know, and you can have like $5 a subscription, and if you have like a shitload of subscribers every month, that just renews.

00:36:59.000 Hold on, I can't hear both of you guys at the same time.

00:37:01.000 Turn her off then, so we can't hear it.

00:37:03.000 What are you saying?

00:37:04.000 So you can subscribe to channels, right?

00:37:06.000 That's one of the things that you can do.

00:37:08.000 Her subscription is $5 to subscribe to her channel.

00:37:11.000 What?

00:37:12.000 And so every month, that subscription renews.

00:37:15.000 So she has like 10,000 people or whatever.

00:37:20.000 That's $50,000 a month.

00:37:22.000 She makes $50,000 a month.

00:37:25.000 I mean, not her.

00:37:25.000 You also split the sum with the website.

00:37:28.000 So some people get a better deal, but a lot get $50,000.

00:37:30.000 She's trying to figure out what's going on.

00:37:32.000 Go back to her.

00:37:39.000 Oh yeah, let's get an Olive Garden spam going on. 0.99

00:37:41.000 You guys need to tell Kitty to do the flashbang dance. 1.00

00:37:46.000 Tell him Jordan says do the flashbang dance.

00:37:50.000 So me and her had a dance-off one land, so I'm gonna try to get her to do this dance. 1.00

00:37:54.000 Why am I on it?

00:37:57.000 Why am I on it?

00:38:05.000 You're gonna get a strongly worded message.

00:38:07.000 Who's gonna get a strongly worded message?

00:38:09.000 Me or you?

00:38:10.000 Hi!

00:38:14.000 We're just telling...

00:38:16.000 Explain to this lovely young lady that we're just trying to figure things out. 0.68

00:38:20.000 What is that?

00:38:20.000 We can't see that.

00:38:22.000 Alright, let's leave her and go to someone who's actually playing a game. 0.92

00:38:26.000 No offense, young lady. 0.84

00:38:27.000 But it's really cool how...

00:38:29.000 That's fascinating.

00:38:30.000 And what's interesting is that a lot of people are using their Xboxes to watch Netflix and stuff like that, and Twitch is now on Xboxes, Playstations, it's on Roku now.

00:38:43.000 So people are watching that as TV. I'll go home at the end of the night, not turn on NBC or ABC. I'll just watch somebody play Counter Strike fall asleep.

00:38:52.000 Because it's...

00:38:53.000 I like watching video games.

00:38:55.000 And one of the cool things is you even have coaches now in these professional things.

00:39:01.000 And these are guys that like to watch video games.

00:39:04.000 Who's funny?

00:39:05.000 Which guy?

00:39:05.000 Soda Poppin makes...

00:39:06.000 Yeah, this guy.

00:39:07.000 So he's kind of like a...

00:39:08.000 He's just not competitive at all.

00:39:10.000 He just jokes around.

00:39:11.000 But he makes so much money.

00:39:13.000 And what is he playing?

00:39:14.000 What game is this?

00:39:14.000 He's playing World of Warcraft, I think, right now.

00:39:16.000 This is the game that Duncan had to throw away three different times.

00:39:19.000 He had to delete it, he broke it, he took the discs and snapped them in half, and then went out and bought new ones.

00:39:26.000 I'm done, man!

00:39:27.000 Click.

00:39:28.000 So, see, there's three different ways these people make money, right?

00:39:30.000 There's the subservice, the subscription, ad revenue, so he's got 18,000 viewers, he probably makes like 100 bucks an hour on that, and then...

00:39:39.000 He has donations or whatever.

00:39:41.000 So this guy in particular had a couple crazy fans from the Middle East, like Prince dudes, that gave him like 50 grand each.

00:39:47.000 What?

00:39:47.000 35 grand.

00:39:48.000 I had one guy from Abu Dhabi give me 10 grand one time on my twin.

00:39:52.000 To do what?

00:39:52.000 Just to...

00:39:52.000 Did you have to show your dick?

00:39:54.000 Yeah, exactly, right? 1.00

00:39:55.000 Play with your dick out. 1.00

00:39:56.000 And we had a private myfreecams.com slash Jordan right now. 1.00

00:39:59.000 No, he literally was just like, he liked the Counter-Strike scene.

00:40:02.000 He gave a Polish Counter-Strike player 30 grand.

00:40:04.000 He gave one of my teammates 20 grand.

00:40:05.000 Were you mad that you only got 10?

00:40:06.000 Yeah, I was totally pissed. 1.00

00:40:07.000 I was like, yo, what the fuck? 1.00

00:40:08.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:40:10.000 Dude, when someone gives you that money, though, you don't really know what to say, right? 1.00

00:40:13.000 Joe, it's time for you to get back into Quake, Joe.

00:40:15.000 No, it's definitely not.

00:40:17.000 I heard about the addictive.

00:40:18.000 Yeah, I have addiction issues.

00:40:21.000 I've avoided them with drugs, for the most part, although some would disagree, but I do have them hardcore with games, to the point where I avoid games.

00:40:30.000 But watching this, this is a totally different animal, because these guys are making money.

00:40:35.000 I can't believe you have a subscription link there, and you click on that, and you can give this cat five bucks a month.

00:40:42.000 Shout out to Soda Poppin. 0.73

00:40:43.000 I flew on home from last time. 0.99

00:40:45.000 Jesus Christ, he's got 93 million fucking views on his channel. 0.99

00:40:48.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:40:49.000 And 18,000 people watching right now.

00:40:52.000 That's incredible.

00:40:53.000 Yeah.

00:40:53.000 I was actually teaching a kid who...

00:40:55.000 He's only 10 years old, I'm friends with.

00:40:58.000 You're friends with 10-year-olds?

00:41:00.000 Yeah.

00:41:02.000 Questionable.

00:41:03.000 Well, I'm not the same age, mentally.

00:41:05.000 He wants to grow up to be you.

00:41:07.000 That's what he wants to do.

00:41:09.000 So I was teaching him how to be a Twitch host, and me and Jamie would play Grand Theft Auto with him, and he would practice talking and stuff like that.

00:41:17.000 And it's amazing that this is now a job.

00:41:21.000 UFC, Fear Factor, everyone.

00:41:23.000 There was an image he pulled up on the screen.

00:41:25.000 What's that show that you did a scene in with David Spade?

00:41:28.000 I watched that on YouTube today.

00:41:30.000 What was it called? 0.58

00:41:31.000 Just Shoot Me?

00:41:32.000 Yeah, I did an episode of that.

00:41:33.000 Just an episode.

00:41:37.000 This is hilarious.

00:41:38.000 Hey, fella. 0.98

00:41:39.000 This is good for this guy, though. 0.99

00:41:40.000 So he's making money and he doesn't have to show his tits. 0.99

00:41:42.000 He's confused, probably. 0.99

00:41:43.000 He's like, what's going on?

00:41:44.000 Is someone else pulling that up in front of him?

00:41:47.000 No, it's him.

00:41:47.000 It's him.

00:41:48.000 Dude, let's just do this all day and go to people's room and freak him out.

00:41:53.000 So this guy right now is playing this game.

00:41:55.000 Give us a volume so I can hear how this is going on.

00:41:59.000 He's not talking?

00:42:00.000 Let's do it.

00:42:02.000 Okay, he's saying let's do it?

00:42:04.000 So this game you can kind of like lounge.

00:42:07.000 Fear Factor!

00:42:08.000 That's where I know him!

00:42:13.000 And he loved it!

00:42:17.000 That's where I know him from! 1.00

00:42:19.000 Fucking Fear Factor! 0.99

00:42:20.000 I watched that when I was like 12! 0.99

00:42:23.000 I'm 15 now!

00:42:26.000 And he liked it!

00:42:28.000 He asked for more!

00:42:30.000 He had no idea!

00:42:31.000 Okay, so this guy is playing these games, and he's just talking, I guess?

00:42:37.000 And that's why people like him?

00:42:38.000 Yeah, I mean, it's like any personality, right?

00:42:41.000 You've had Phil DeFranco on your thing, right?

00:42:43.000 Yes.

00:42:43.000 On YouTube, so people follow someone, and they want to know him.

00:42:46.000 Like, right now I'm doing this podcast.

00:42:47.000 Right.

00:42:48.000 People enjoy to just hear behind the story.

00:42:51.000 So, for him, sometimes he'll sit there.

00:42:53.000 He does every Saturday night, he does a 24-hour stream.

00:42:56.000 All day, he plays.

00:42:56.000 24 hours?

00:42:57.000 Every Saturday. 0.99

00:42:58.000 Does he jerk off? 0.98

00:42:58.000 He probably does prior and after. 0.98

00:43:00.000 I would say that's stamina. 0.77

00:43:02.000 Does anybody ever jerk off on screen?

00:43:03.000 If they do, do they take you off of Twitch? 0.72

00:43:05.000 Dude, yes and yes.

00:43:08.000 Yes, it's happened.

00:43:09.000 You got in trouble?

00:43:09.000 Yeah, I've gotten in trouble a couple of times.

00:43:11.000 I was playing Grand Theft Auto when a girl came over and she just started taking off her top and stuff like that and I forgot that it was twitching. 1.00

00:43:16.000 Because on Xbox Live, you could be twitching and you totally forget it's on and then you fall asleep and you wake up the next day and your camera's still on.

00:43:23.000 Oh, right.

00:43:24.000 People have been watching you sleep like creepers.

00:43:26.000 Yeah, I've done that a few times also.

00:43:29.000 Creepers.

00:43:30.000 But I play a different way. 1.00

00:43:31.000 I just go in Grand Theft Auto, kill hookers, and try to take pictures of their underwear. 1.00

00:43:34.000 Sounds like a great Wednesday night. 1.00

00:43:36.000 Have you seen the fucking complaints that people said that there's a hack in Grand Theft Auto where you could virtually rape someone? 0.99

00:43:45.000 Have you seen that? 0.99

00:43:46.000 Where their body freezes, they can't do anything, and you get behind them and you start...

00:43:50.000 Pumping them. 1.00

00:43:51.000 There's all sorts of fucked up shit. 1.00

00:43:52.000 But people were, like, really upset. 1.00

00:43:54.000 Like, you know, this girl was talking about how she felt completely violated because her character was trapped and some guy was... 0.99

00:44:01.000 I'm like, isn't that a game where they're allowed to kill you with a fucking crowbar? 0.99

00:44:05.000 Like, that doesn't freak you out? 0.99

00:44:06.000 Yeah, you're, like, working for mobsters in that game.

00:44:09.000 Like, what?

00:44:09.000 Yeah, but it's normal stuff.

00:44:10.000 I'm not okay with the sex, but the cocaine that I'm selling to buy this car is cool.

00:44:15.000 It's like, alright...

00:44:16.000 So, how many people are on this Twitch thing at any given moment?

00:44:19.000 Go back to that.

00:44:20.000 Like, let's see what, like, what's the overall?

00:44:22.000 Well, so all those games are on there.

00:44:23.000 They have, like, more internet traffic than, like, most websites.

00:44:26.000 Like, they accounted for some huge number, I'm sure you could look it up, of streaming services.

00:44:31.000 Like, it's like them, YouTube, and, like, Netflix. 1.00

00:44:34.000 Goddamn, I'm so out of the loop with this shit. 0.99

00:44:36.000 Now, the, I want to see what it's like when you're watching people play poker. 1.00

00:44:41.000 Yeah, so they normally have like six tables on.

00:44:42.000 It's really down low.

00:44:43.000 Okay, there's poker.

00:44:44.000 Right there, yeah.

00:44:44.000 So you go to poker, and so these guys are just playing video poker.

00:44:49.000 So tournaments...

00:44:50.000 And they have like a little...

00:44:51.000 Alright, click on that guy right there.

00:44:52.000 I don't understand poker.

00:44:53.000 3,000 viewers.

00:44:54.000 Or 4,000 viewers almost.

00:44:55.000 It's quite a bit less.

00:44:57.000 So quite a bit less people are playing.

00:44:59.000 He has a million views, but quite a bit less than the video games.

00:45:04.000 So way more people want to watch people Well, this is a gamer's website, right?

00:45:08.000 So a lot of people get residual fuse because people are just looking around for a gamer.

00:45:11.000 Right.

00:45:12.000 Not a lot of people are just casually looking around for a poker player.

00:45:15.000 Now, do you think you could play pool on something like this?

00:45:18.000 Right away, they hit you.

00:45:20.000 Pool?

00:45:20.000 Like digital?

00:45:21.000 No, actual pool.

00:45:23.000 Like, could you have a camera set up where you could play actual pool?

00:45:26.000 I don't know their rules.

00:45:27.000 Like, if you're a channel who already does other things and then one day you decide to have a Friday night is pool night, I think you could.

00:45:33.000 I think you could totally do it.

00:45:35.000 You'd have to talk to them, right?

00:45:37.000 Yeah, you'd probably talk to them.

00:45:37.000 But they don't want you to, like, say, I'm playing Counter-Strike and then you're playing pool seven days a week, obviously.

00:45:41.000 Right.

00:45:43.000 Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't mind a lot.

00:45:46.000 Someone called me an N-word.

00:45:48.000 How dare you, sir?

00:45:50.000 The audacity!

00:45:51.000 That's the one I concentrate on.

00:45:53.000 I know, you went right to it.

00:45:54.000 So this guy's playing four different games at a time.

00:45:57.000 A lot of those video game poker dudes, the real aces, they do that, right?

00:46:01.000 Yeah, and they have a program to keep track of the hands everyone's been playing, like, on their table and stuff, you pay for it.

00:46:07.000 Because these guys are playing, they're making good money, you know, playing poker four tables a day.

00:46:11.000 Right, and he's, so this cat is playing, he's playing four different games at the same time where he's making money on these games or losing money, gambling.

00:46:21.000 Gambling, yeah.

00:46:22.000 Now, is that legal again?

00:46:24.000 Like, how's that work now?

00:46:25.000 Because I know poker, like, for a while you could play it out of Vegas, but you gotta play people in Vegas?

00:46:31.000 Online, I think it's something to do with, like, Canada.

00:46:33.000 Okay, so this guy wrote, poker's new to Twitch, but it's growing rapidly.

00:46:36.000 Some poker celebrities, Daniel Negrano, mm-hmm, who's been streaming, Jason Somerville.

00:46:42.000 Oh, okay, so it's a new thing.

00:46:44.000 Yeah, it's relatively new.

00:46:45.000 It's a new edition.

00:46:46.000 They also added music recently, like, DJ Steve Aoki.

00:46:48.000 He plays videos?

00:46:49.000 No, he puts a GoPro up on stage, and then he does his set at a club, and streams it.

00:46:54.000 From Twitch?

00:46:55.000 From Twitch.

00:46:55.000 Kevin Pryor does it.

00:46:56.000 But that's not a video game.

00:46:58.000 They added music, as well as poker.

00:47:01.000 I feel like people would be stoked to have you on Twitch.

00:47:04.000 As a podcast.

00:47:05.000 I could totally connect you with those people, too.

00:47:07.000 Dude, we'll do it.

00:47:08.000 Yeah, why not?

00:47:08.000 I mean, we do Ustream.

00:47:10.000 I know there's new, what did you say, you got the new TriCaster, you could do like six streams or what?

00:47:13.000 Can we do Ustream and Twitch at the same time?

00:47:16.000 Oh, yes, we can, folks.

00:47:17.000 Alright, we'll do it.

00:47:19.000 Yeah, I'll totally connect you with those people.

00:47:21.000 Interesting.

00:47:23.000 Interesting.

00:47:24.000 Kevin Pereira has a stage at his new studio and he'll have like concerts and he'll be playing the drums and stuff on Twitch now. 0.92

00:47:31.000 No shit. 0.98

00:47:32.000 And how many people are watched? 1.00

00:47:33.000 A lot.

00:47:33.000 Kevin has a full studio where he does gaming and on one he does podcasts.

00:47:39.000 Right, but how many people watch when he's like playing drums and shit? 0.98

00:47:41.000 I haven't watched it. 0.99

00:47:42.000 He just told me about it.

00:47:43.000 Okay, let's see some other video games.

00:47:46.000 Let's see what else we got here.

00:47:48.000 This is fascinating, man.

00:47:49.000 This is a completely new world to me.

00:47:51.000 Jamie, will you show them Call of Duty?

00:47:52.000 So this is kind of professional, but not really professional.

00:47:56.000 You're an entertainer.

00:47:57.000 Right.

00:47:57.000 But you're playing and you're making money.

00:48:00.000 Like, I'm a part-time streamer because I still compete.

00:48:03.000 I think the genius of this is the whole donation thing.

00:48:06.000 The genius of this is getting people to donate and the fact that these guys can...

00:48:10.000 So how else can they make money?

00:48:12.000 They can make money by donating.

00:48:13.000 Well, you have a subscription service, right?

00:48:14.000 Subscription.

00:48:14.000 So that's like you could rely on your salary.

00:48:16.000 If you have 2,000 subs consistently and it fluctuates...

00:48:19.000 And it's always $4.99?

00:48:20.000 Well, some people negotiate, I think, to six, but you split that.

00:48:24.000 So, like, the average person gets 50%.

00:48:25.000 I get 70%.

00:48:27.000 How dare you.

00:48:27.000 The top people get, like, 90%.

00:48:30.000 Like, there's guys that have a shitload of subs and they play all day.

00:48:33.000 Wow, so they get 90%?

00:48:36.000 So there's a guy named Lyric, or $4 out of the five, I don't know.

00:48:39.000 That's 80%.

00:48:40.000 Right.

00:48:40.000 And, uh...

00:48:42.000 He has like around 10,000 subs as of last month, so that's automatically 40 grand a month he's making.

00:48:47.000 Jesus.

00:48:48.000 Just from his subs.

00:48:48.000 And then donations.

00:48:50.000 That's a half a million dollars a year!

00:48:51.000 Oh yeah, he makes over a half a million dollars a year, I'm sure.

00:48:54.000 That's incredible!

00:48:55.000 And he's doing that all on Twitch.

00:48:57.000 While getting his bachelor's in computer science.

00:48:59.000 That's amazing! 1.00

00:49:01.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

00:49:01.000 Actually, I think he just graduated. 1.00

00:49:02.000 Congratulations later. 1.00

00:49:03.000 Dude, fuck yeah. 0.99

00:49:04.000 So that guy doesn't even have to be the best of the best. 0.99

00:49:07.000 No, and that's the thing, is the entertainment value.

00:49:10.000 Wow. 1.00

00:49:10.000 Look at his fucking numbers! 1.00

00:49:12.000 81 million people have watched him! 0.99

00:49:15.000 He's not even on right now, there's people in his chat room to check.

00:49:17.000 Oh my god, 81 million. 0.99

00:49:20.000 That is fucking incredible. 0.98

00:49:22.000 Yeah, your chat becomes like a community home for people. 0.99

00:49:25.000 So they literally will hang out in there.

00:49:27.000 Oh, I see.

00:49:27.000 And you could like, you have all these little emoticons.

00:49:29.000 See how it's got like a little cat face?

00:49:31.000 That's his icon. 0.99

00:49:32.000 You could paste all sorts of dumb little things. 0.99

00:49:33.000 Wow. 0.97

00:49:34.000 It becomes like a fun way for people to, they'll be in someone else's chat and they'll spam my emoticon.

00:49:41.000 Nothing. 0.99

00:49:41.000 That's fucking incredible. 0.99

00:49:43.000 Now I'm really intrigued. 1.00

00:49:45.000 It's interesting because they really took the formula from porn.

00:49:48.000 You know, porn always starts off first, and they always invent it first, and then they moved it into having the donations in the chat room and all that stuff.

00:49:56.000 My free camp.

00:49:57.000 But the hot girl thing is huge, so that's why I've been trying to get all the girls on here to do it, playing video. 1.00

00:50:02.000 You're pimping them out, bro.

00:50:03.000 I like it.

00:50:04.000 It's a good move.

00:50:05.000 Well, it's a career now.

00:50:06.000 These girls, especially porn stars, when they get to an end of their porn star life, they're like, what am I going to do now? 0.97

00:50:11.000 I have no job.

00:50:12.000 Start playing Mario Brothers. 0.99

00:50:14.000 I'm sure you can fucking make that. 0.99

00:50:15.000 Read a book, ho. 1.00

00:50:18.000 Here's the dictionary.

00:50:20.000 So let's go to another one, Jamie, because this is interesting, this lyric guy.

00:50:24.000 I like that.

00:50:25.000 I love what he's doing.

00:50:26.000 So how did that guy get so big?

00:50:28.000 Why is he so big?

00:50:29.000 Some of it's a domino, a snowball effect.

00:50:31.000 Is he a killer player?

00:50:32.000 He plays all sorts of games, and he's got a radio voice.

00:50:35.000 Let me see before you...

00:50:36.000 I'm sorry to interrupt.

00:50:37.000 I want to see what other games are available.

00:50:39.000 Yeah, this is Grand Theft Auto.

00:50:39.000 So he's got a radio voice?

00:50:41.000 The Lyric, he actually doesn't even have a webcam.

00:50:43.000 It blows my mind how popular he is without even a camera.

00:50:46.000 So nobody knows what he looks like?

00:50:47.000 Well, they do because he's shown up at a couple conventions.

00:50:50.000 Oh, so they take pictures of him.

00:50:51.000 We know him now!

00:50:52.000 Yeah, they know him now, exactly.

00:50:54.000 Shows up with one of those Guy Fawkes masks.

00:50:57.000 Let's see.

00:50:58.000 Scroll down.

00:50:58.000 Call of Duty.

00:50:59.000 Poker.

00:51:00.000 What is H1Z1? That was made by Sony.

00:51:03.000 It's like a survival zombie. 0.97

00:51:06.000 It's like a shitty version of Grand Theft Auto. 0.93

00:51:09.000 You run around and it's like a mass world.

00:51:11.000 Okay, this is a game I've never heard of.

00:51:13.000 How many people are watching this cat when he's playing?

00:51:15.000 He's a new partner, only 1,000, yeah.

00:51:18.000 Which is pretty good for an average person.

00:51:20.000 They're gonna be able to turn that into a moderate, small day job and not have to work at...

00:51:23.000 And he's got 277,000 views.

00:51:26.000 Instead of working at Starbucks, you're a low-level Twitch streamer.

00:51:29.000 Right.

00:51:30.000 Yeah, so okay, this guy's probably making a couple grand a month, maybe?

00:51:33.000 1,000 bucks a month?

00:51:34.000 He's got a subscriber button, so yeah, maybe if he's working hard...

00:51:37.000 So maybe it pays for his rent.

00:51:38.000 There you go, yeah.

00:51:39.000 Wow.

00:51:40.000 And so this is a weird game where it's a third-person thing, and you're running around, and you're fighting zombies, and he's... 1.00

00:51:46.000 Okay, this is a stupid game. 0.99

00:51:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:49.000 Boring!

00:51:50.000 Alright, what else we got?

00:51:51.000 Scroll down.

00:51:52.000 But I want to see what games are available, not just Grand Theft Auto.

00:51:55.000 Every single game is available.

00:51:56.000 They have Quake on here?

00:51:58.000 Yeah.

00:51:58.000 Let me see that.

00:51:59.000 Go to that.

00:51:59.000 You can pretty much play any single game.

00:52:02.000 Diablo, Jesus Christ.

00:52:04.000 But only if people are playing the game will it be here.

00:52:07.000 Quake, I love.

00:52:08.000 I should text my Quake friends right now.

00:52:10.000 It's a dead game, huh?

00:52:12.000 Yeah, I love watching Quake.

00:52:13.000 I went to QuakeCon a couple times in Texas.

00:52:16.000 Oh, it's incredible.

00:52:17.000 Half-Life's still available, huh?

00:52:19.000 No, keep scrolling.

00:52:20.000 You can also type Quake in the top left and see if that pops up.

00:52:24.000 A lot of weird games I've never even heard of.

00:52:27.000 I mean, how does someone even create a new game now when these people get so addicted to the- Chess!

00:52:33.000 Yep, chess.

00:52:34.000 Is video chess?

00:52:35.000 Is that what it is?

00:52:36.000 I like how chess is like a wizard.

00:52:37.000 Everyone else is like a young kid.

00:52:39.000 Remember Battle Chess?

00:52:40.000 Chess is like an old wizard.

00:52:41.000 With a big beard.

00:52:42.000 Battle Chess?

00:52:42.000 Battle Chess where it was like...

00:52:43.000 Where they would box.

00:52:44.000 Battle Chess.

00:52:44.000 Where they were like fighter.

00:52:46.000 It was like a game that was for like early computers and it was chess but the guys would be knights and they would be animated and they would like cut the other person in half.

00:52:54.000 Can I grab that hot water from you?

00:52:55.000 Oh yeah.

00:52:57.000 Tea.

00:52:58.000 Oh yeah.

00:52:59.000 Technology all over the place.

00:53:01.000 Playing Quake Live.

00:53:02.000 That was it.

00:53:04.000 Oh but can you watch the video?

00:53:06.000 Team Deathmatch.

00:53:09.000 Oh.

00:53:13.000 Team Deathmatch.

00:53:14.000 Team Deathmatch.

00:53:15.000 So is that what this is?

00:53:17.000 We're gonna watch a stream?

00:53:19.000 Yeah, okay.

00:53:20.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:53:21.000 See, like, the graphics are quite a bit better in this than they are on the Counter-Strike, but even this is old.

00:53:26.000 This is Quake 3. Dude, I love this shit, though. 0.99

00:53:29.000 My favorite tournaments to watch back in the day were, like, the Painkiller Quake, Unreal Tournament. 0.99

00:53:34.000 Well, what's interesting to me, you know, these games, it seems like you get hooked on one, and that one game becomes your shit, but then you run the risk of being left behind, because then new games come out.

00:53:49.000 So I think the more legitimate thing eSports gets, obviously there's more interest for the game developers to keep their game lasting, right?

00:53:57.000 Whereas in the past it was like, buy the new game, how are we gonna make money?

00:54:01.000 We need to come out with a new game so people buy it, but now there's way more ways for them to make money.

00:54:05.000 So in Counter-Strike, You could change the way your AK-47 looks now.

00:54:08.000 You could put a blue dragon decal on it and you pay $5 for that decal or $30 or $2, depending on how rare the decal is.

00:54:17.000 And that is used to crowdfund for them to make money and for us to have tournaments.

00:54:21.000 So Valve now, the creator of Counter-Strike, hosts a quarter-million-dollar tournament every couple months from the money they get from the micro-economy they created for Counter-Strike.

00:54:30.000 God, this is insane!

00:54:32.000 That's why League of Legends was so big right now.

00:54:34.000 They sell these trinkets and garbs and things for your character and they make like 50 million dollars a month or whatever.

00:54:39.000 The world of video games...

00:54:41.000 Don't quote me on that.

00:54:42.000 But I get your point.

00:54:44.000 The world of video games is so interesting.

00:54:47.000 It's so alien to me.

00:54:48.000 But I had no idea it was this deep and involved.

00:54:51.000 It's grown a lot with websites like Twitch, really combining...

00:54:54.000 How many of them are there besides Twitch?

00:54:56.000 No, Twitch dominates that realm.

00:54:58.000 There's like Hitbox, MLG TV, Major League Gaming TV, Zubu TV. There's a couple, but no one really has the reach that Twitch has.

00:55:07.000 Somebody just said that Kevin Pereira is twitching right now while playing a video game.

00:55:11.000 Okay, go to Kevin Pereira.

00:55:12.000 He's twitch.tv slash the attack.

00:55:16.000 Yeah, let's see if this works.

00:55:18.000 Okay, let's see.

00:55:19.000 Not a hero and other stuff with Alex.

00:55:23.000 This is Kevin?

00:55:24.000 Yep, this is Kevin right now.

00:55:25.000 Okay, crank up the volume.

00:55:28.000 Who's Kevin?

00:55:29.000 I'm sorry, I don't know this.

00:55:30.000 Kevin Pereira was the host of Attack of the show on the G4 Network.

00:55:36.000 He's a very bright man.

00:55:40.000 And he has beautiful complexion and excellent bone structure.

00:55:44.000 Look at that jawline.

00:55:45.000 Boom! 0.99

00:55:46.000 That's the one cop that they dispatched because he shot that dude in the face so much.

00:55:51.000 He's got a partner.

00:55:52.000 Oh, he's only got a couple hundred viewers. 1.00

00:55:54.000 Headshot, bitch. 1.00

00:55:56.000 Oh, he's got a shotgun. 1.00

00:55:56.000 Don't let him use that on you. 1.00

00:55:57.000 Oh, sorry, bud.

00:55:59.000 He only has a couple hundred viewers because he just got on, right?

00:56:02.000 Yeah, he's watching you now, Kevin.

00:56:03.000 Oh, they're saying Joe's watching now.

00:56:05.000 Hi, Kevin.

00:56:06.000 Hi, Joseph Rogan.

00:56:07.000 Hi, Joseph Rogan and Brian Redband.

00:56:09.000 We should go back to his stream.

00:56:10.000 And was it C9 Pro Gamer?

00:56:13.000 See, he knows.

00:56:16.000 What a weird world we live in, huh?

00:56:21.000 Kevin's funny.

00:56:26.000 So is that Kevin's studio that we're looking at in the corner?

00:56:31.000 Yeah, this is one part of his studio.

00:56:34.000 This is where he does all his Twitch gaming and stuff in his podcast.

00:56:40.000 The first thing you think of in all these rooms is like, where do they rub one out?

00:56:43.000 Like, what part of the room?

00:56:44.000 Like, for you...

00:56:45.000 Well, he's gonna have...

00:56:45.000 He's flipping the script on us!

00:56:48.000 You motherfucker! 1.00

00:56:50.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

00:56:52.000 Alright, how can we do this? 1.00

00:56:54.000 Let's enter the matrix.

00:56:55.000 We can somehow...

00:56:56.000 There's a lag, though, unfortunately.

00:56:58.000 It's probably like 7 to 10 seconds.

00:57:00.000 Yeah.

00:57:01.000 So probably about a minute 30. Look at that, he just opened the floodgate of racist...

00:57:08.000 It's always racist stuff.

00:57:10.000 It's always racist stuff for some reason.

00:57:17.000 Yeah, I want to see your studio.

00:57:23.000 Oh, how cool.

00:57:24.000 This is getting way confusing.

00:57:26.000 This is so bizarre.

00:57:27.000 This is like two mirrors facing each other.

00:57:29.000 Ooh, nice shiracha shirt, sir.

00:57:32.000 Oh, Kevin Pereira with a dope studio.

00:57:36.000 Can we go full screen on the cam?

00:57:38.000 Look at those.

00:57:39.000 Hey, Kevin, we're finally getting to hear you now.

00:57:41.000 Here's a studio.

00:57:42.000 You want that, JR? Oh, this is dope.

00:57:45.000 You want that experience?

00:57:46.000 Yeah.

00:57:47.000 Oh, nice.

00:57:49.000 Hey, fella. 0.98

00:57:52.000 The band room.

00:57:52.000 Alright, alright.

00:57:53.000 Can you sprint?

00:57:54.000 So this is the place he's renting?

00:57:56.000 They need like a USB extension cord.

00:57:58.000 Walk me!

00:57:58.000 Look at this!

00:57:59.000 This is hilarious!

00:58:00.000 Boy, this is so bizarre.

00:58:01.000 Watching Kevin...

00:58:02.000 Oh, he's doing an upstart!

00:58:03.000 Hey! 1.00

00:58:03.000 I want to see your dick! 1.00

00:58:04.000 Hey! 1.00

00:58:05.000 Get out of there! 0.65

00:58:07.000 So we're watching Kevin Pereira and it's the attack on Twitch.

00:58:14.000 We'll get it gone.

00:58:15.000 So you're hearing... 0.99

00:58:16.000 Los looks bro as fuck today! 1.00

00:58:19.000 Backwards hat! 1.00

00:58:20.000 Los bro'd out!

00:58:22.000 Wow, this is very strange.

00:58:24.000 Oh, Joe, just wait.

00:58:26.000 I'm gonna give you the...

00:58:30.000 Wow, this is interesting.

00:58:33.000 Oh, so he's, now he's got it.

00:58:35.000 This is freaking me out.

00:58:36.000 Now we've got the bar on the bar.

00:58:39.000 Now it's them watching us watching them. 0.99

00:58:43.000 This is fucking strange. 0.98

00:58:45.000 I think we can time travel somehow right now. 0.99

00:58:47.000 I think we just did.

00:58:48.000 Look what we're doing here. 1.00

00:58:49.000 We're showing his dick again. 1.00

00:58:51.000 Jesus, we're back to his dick! 1.00

00:58:53.000 Joe's got a full head of hair. 1.00

00:58:54.000 What's going on?

00:58:55.000 This is all so bizarre.

00:58:57.000 It's like a mailbox or whatever that movie was.

00:58:59.000 My voice just got deeper.

00:59:01.000 So this is Kevin's studio.

00:59:04.000 And he plays video games out of here as well?

00:59:07.000 Yeah, this is his Twitch room and his podcast room on this side.

00:59:11.000 And then on the other side he has...

00:59:13.000 Oh jeez, there's got four...

00:59:16.000 Oh, let's see.

00:59:16.000 Which one's real now?

00:59:18.000 I don't even know which one's real.

00:59:19.000 Wow.

00:59:19.000 The one on the lower right-hand corner is real-time.

00:59:22.000 The one on the left is what he's getting from us on Ustream.

00:59:26.000 So the left one is the Ustream one because it's a delay, and the one on the lower right is real-time.

00:59:32.000 Wow, this is crazy.

00:59:34.000 He's got a sweet setup, man.

00:59:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:36.000 Again, he's going to show his dick. 1.00

00:59:38.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:59:38.000 Three dicks! 1.00

00:59:40.000 It's the same thing, though, over and over again. 0.97

00:59:43.000 Now, why is there three different levels in the bottom?

00:59:46.000 I don't know.

00:59:47.000 So does he have a bunch of employees or something?

00:59:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:49.000 He's got a full staff over there.

00:59:51.000 And what are they doing?

00:59:52.000 They have a receptionist.

00:59:53.000 They play video games and live the life.

00:59:55.000 But why does he have a receptionist?

00:59:57.000 What's the receptionist there for? 1.00

00:59:59.000 Just to play video games and stuff like that.

01:00:02.000 So here's his second room.

01:00:04.000 So this is where he plays pinball and foosball.

01:00:08.000 It's a bunch of couches.

01:00:09.000 This also has a humongous green screen on the side.

01:00:11.000 Here's his kitchen area, which is like a bar in the middle.

01:00:14.000 Here's his bar.

01:00:15.000 Here, you can just turn it up.

01:00:16.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:00:17.000 Yeah.

01:00:18.000 Well, Joe has a pool table.

01:00:20.000 Look at this.

01:00:23.000 Wow, here's a bar.

01:00:24.000 This is the best room right here.

01:00:28.000 Well, okay.

01:00:29.000 This is really fascinating.

01:00:32.000 Oh, Kevin.

01:00:33.000 It's a whole recording studio set up.

01:00:36.000 He's not messing around.

01:00:37.000 Oh, my God.

01:00:38.000 His place must be huge.

01:00:40.000 It is.

01:00:40.000 And these walls fold out.

01:00:43.000 Show them the walls.

01:00:44.000 Because we have issues.

01:00:45.000 And then loungy sort of hangout area.

01:00:48.000 We can also unlatch these big barn doors here and push them out.

01:00:51.000 They just push out.

01:00:52.000 And then we have room for like 150 people.

01:00:54.000 So he has shows there?

01:00:56.000 Yeah, he has live shows, concerts and stuff.

01:00:58.000 Invites his friends and fans.

01:01:00.000 Wow.

01:01:01.000 This is crazy.

01:01:03.000 Kevin Pereira is taking it to the next level.

01:01:06.000 Wow.

01:01:08.000 So he has all these people that work for him.

01:01:11.000 How is he generating revenue doing this?

01:01:14.000 Twitch, baby.

01:01:15.000 Really?

01:01:16.000 Twitch, podcasting, all this stuff.

01:01:18.000 They've got some other shows they do and some productions they do for other companies.

01:01:21.000 They have a whole production company.

01:01:28.000 Okay.

01:01:29.000 Alright, well tell Kevin I said thanks.

01:01:31.000 Pretty dope.

01:01:33.000 Wow, this is amazing. 1.00

01:01:34.000 He's got like ten fucking people working for him. 1.00

01:01:36.000 Oh yeah. 1.00

01:01:39.000 This is so strange.

01:01:41.000 Kevin took it to the next level.

01:01:42.000 That's pretty badass.

01:01:43.000 Yeah, he took what we did and went like five steps beyond.

01:01:47.000 One step beyond!

01:01:51.000 That's the problem, though, is when you start showing where you live, that's the one other side of things.

01:01:58.000 We've had bad experiences with that.

01:02:00.000 What have you had, like, swatting? 0.99

01:02:01.000 Oh, I fucking hate that. 0.98

01:02:02.000 Mmm, swatting's not good. 0.99

01:02:03.000 There's a pretty funny video of, actually, on YouTube of them clearing my room with, like, rifles and stuff.

01:02:08.000 Oh, so that actually happened with you?

01:02:10.000 That was you, right?

01:02:11.000 Oh, right.

01:02:12.000 So while you were playing a game, someone called the SWAT team on you.

01:02:15.000 Well, it started... 1.00

01:02:16.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:02:16.000 It started something else. 1.00

01:02:17.000 It started people ordering me pizzas at first. 0.99

01:02:20.000 And, like, shit, not paying for them, right? 0.99

01:02:22.000 So they wouldn't pay for them, I'd get a bunch of pizzas. 0.99

01:02:24.000 Sorry, guys, here's a couple bucks.

01:02:25.000 You wasted your time.

01:02:26.000 Can I have that pizza?

01:02:28.000 But they would leave.

01:02:29.000 Firetrucks then would next. 1.00

01:02:31.000 Like, oh, they said your house is burning down.

01:02:32.000 Obviously.

01:02:32.000 It's not.

01:02:33.000 Oh, God.

01:02:34.000 And then like a month later, I'm just chilling.

01:02:37.000 This is you?

01:02:38.000 So yeah, I'm in my room right here.

01:02:39.000 I see my dad out front walk down the street.

01:02:40.000 I was like, I heard an alarm, but it's not loud now.

01:02:43.000 So what's going on?

01:02:43.000 I said, guys, I'll be right back.

01:02:45.000 I was playing the game.

01:02:47.000 And this is like 20 minutes later.

01:02:51.000 Oh, my God.

01:02:53.000 So there's a pretty funny edited version.

01:02:55.000 I don't know if this is the one.

01:02:56.000 So they don't know right now that this isn't real?

01:03:00.000 No, I even told them, because they were about to come in with the canine units.

01:03:02.000 I was like, hey, there's a couple cats in there.

01:03:03.000 Can you just chill in the canine units?

01:03:05.000 They're like, we're looking for dead bodies.

01:03:06.000 We can't adhere to what you want.

01:03:07.000 I was like, guys, you're getting pranked right now.

01:03:09.000 Look me up on YouTube while you guys are storming the house.

01:03:11.000 Like, you're getting pranked.

01:03:12.000 So you had to tell them that they're getting pranked? 1.00

01:03:15.000 Jesus Christ, they're coming in with fucking guns? 0.99

01:03:18.000 They had me and my dad in handcuffs on the end of this. 1.00

01:03:20.000 No way!

01:03:21.000 You were handcuffed?

01:03:23.000 So someone called and said, I had murdered my neighbor and had someone else hostage.

01:03:26.000 And they call through like a proxy DNS or whatever.

01:03:29.000 Or, you know, what do they call it?

01:03:32.000 A VPN. So you can't trace where they call from.

01:03:35.000 So did you give out your address online or did someone Google it?

01:03:39.000 I guess someone found my Skype username and then traced a log for all the calls, where the calls most frequently from, and they just triangulated my house IP address.

01:03:49.000 And then they did something called doxing, where they get everything about my house and my personal info.

01:03:54.000 That's amazing.

01:03:56.000 Yeah, that's a real issue, right, with the swatting.

01:03:59.000 I've seen that on TV a bunch of times.

01:04:01.000 Well, like, real celebrities supposedly is, like, a big issue because it happens all the time, little things like this.

01:04:06.000 I don't even like saying that word.

01:04:08.000 For me, all I had to do is, after I just talked to the police chief, I was like, guys, this happened a couple times, like, please don't respond like this again, like, here's my number.

01:04:14.000 Right, but then what if somebody wants to murder you, so what they do is they dox you.

01:04:17.000 So they have to send one guy.

01:04:19.000 They have to.

01:04:20.000 So every time, but someone could just do this all day long.

01:04:24.000 So they put a little asterisk, they said, near my house address, and they have a message for their crew.

01:04:28.000 It's a little protocol now.

01:04:30.000 Wow. 0.99

01:04:30.000 That'd be scary as fuck, man. 0.99

01:04:33.000 Okay, let's get out of this. 1.00

01:04:34.000 That'd be scary as fuck. 0.98

01:04:36.000 Yeah, well, to be honest, I actually knew what was happening right away. 0.98

01:04:39.000 So it wasn't scary?

01:04:40.000 So my dad was kind of tripping out, but I walked out to see what was going on, and Ray went out to my front door.

01:04:44.000 As you saw, I was in, like, a tank top and shorts.

01:04:46.000 But if you had a dog, they could have shot your dog.

01:04:48.000 That's what, that's, I've, and I've talked about that to friends. 0.98

01:04:49.000 I would have been so fucking furious if any animal of mine was killed, but luckily, my Rottweiler died. 0.82

01:04:55.000 No, no dogs there. 0.98

01:04:57.000 My Rottweiler wasn't there.

01:04:57.000 But that's not normal.

01:04:59.000 A lot of times people have the dog inside the house.

01:05:01.000 If they come inside, they'll just shoot your dog. 0.56

01:05:03.000 Yeah, and they'll kick down the door. 0.93

01:05:04.000 So like I said, luckily they were at the end of the block when I walked out and I looked and I see all these guys behind bushes and tree lines with M16s pointing at me. 0.99

01:05:11.000 I was like, oh shit. 1.00

01:05:12.000 Fuck, douchebags. 1.00

01:05:15.000 Goddamn, man. 1.00

01:05:16.000 I don't give a shit, walk down the center of the street. 1.00

01:05:18.000 I'm like, cool, I'm doing it. 0.99

01:05:20.000 Oh my god.

01:05:22.000 Yeah.

01:05:22.000 But yeah, that's the worry.

01:05:24.000 What if no one was home?

01:05:25.000 I'm home alone.

01:05:25.000 I have my dog.

01:05:26.000 I'm chilling at my apartment. 0.99

01:05:27.000 And they come up and fucking blow my window in, kick down the door. 0.99

01:05:31.000 They see me like, maybe they see my expression like surprised or angry because I just died in the game. 0.99

01:05:36.000 Or I say, hey, bomb down, bomb down.

01:05:37.000 And then they're at the door behind me while I'm communicating that to my teammates. 0.99

01:05:41.000 They bust in the door and fucking club me over the head or something. 0.98

01:05:44.000 How often does this happen? 1.00

01:05:45.000 A lot.

01:05:46.000 So there is another video actually, someone online who got more surprised where he realized he was being swatted.

01:05:50.000 He's like...

01:05:50.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

01:05:51.000 Oh shit, people are clearing my house. 0.99

01:05:52.000 I think I'm getting swatted. 1.00

01:05:53.000 And they kind of like do that whole thing.

01:05:55.000 I've seen a few of them.

01:05:56.000 Now, there's no way they can stop that.

01:05:58.000 I mean, how could they stop that right now with current technology?

01:06:01.000 Well, like I said, only once it's happened at that address.

01:06:04.000 They have a protocol then about don't. 0.99

01:06:07.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 0.99

01:06:09.000 One of the kids who supposedly did it to me got caught. 0.99

01:06:11.000 And they caught him because he did 18 different swatting.

01:06:14.000 He's from Vegas.

01:06:14.000 A 19-year-old kid from Vegas.

01:06:17.000 He's sentenced to five years.

01:06:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:06:19.000 He's doing jail time.

01:06:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:21.000 Because he's 19. Oh, my God.

01:06:24.000 It's the same type of kids who do those denial-of-service attacks.

01:06:26.000 It's a big problem in gaming.

01:06:27.000 You know, the DDoS.

01:06:28.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:29.000 They flood your internet.

01:06:30.000 If they drive here, I'm sure they're trying to drop your show.

01:06:32.000 Yeah, we've had it before.

01:06:33.000 It's like, I try to picture the person that, like, what kind of, like, gang initiation of nerds, and they're all, like, circle-jerking in, like, some kind of, like, tech lab dungeon.

01:06:41.000 You're gonna call their fury.

01:06:42.000 Dude.

01:06:47.000 It's just fascinating to me that we're in this weird world where all this stuff is kind of going on at the same time.

01:06:57.000 Like the interaction of this Twitch stuff.

01:07:01.000 Go back to the Twitch website again.

01:07:03.000 I find this the most fascinating because this seems to me to be almost better than professional gaming, like being good at it.

01:07:10.000 It seems like what you need to do is be like that lyric guy and just be kind of entertaining.

01:07:15.000 Like, what is that guy's skill level?

01:07:17.000 It's like really good.

01:07:18.000 Keep scrolling down.

01:07:18.000 Let me see what other games they have.

01:07:19.000 The decision between being a streamer and a pro gamer is mostly pride, right?

01:07:23.000 Like you compete and you want to win and be considered good at something.

01:07:27.000 And you travel around a lot.

01:07:30.000 What's that?

01:07:31.000 What's creative?

01:07:32.000 Oh, that's just creative.

01:07:33.000 Oh, drawing.

01:07:33.000 People drawing?

01:07:35.000 Come on.

01:07:36.000 They have video games of someone drawing.

01:07:38.000 No, it's just people drawing.

01:07:39.000 Yeah, go there.

01:07:40.000 Let's see this.

01:07:41.000 Mind occupied.

01:07:43.000 How many people have watched this guy draw?

01:07:44.000 30. 30 people.

01:07:46.000 He's got 59. There's a game development one, too.

01:07:48.000 This actually guy's a talented artist.

01:07:51.000 Yep.

01:07:51.000 So you get to watch him draw.

01:07:52.000 And is he drawing in Photoshop?

01:07:53.000 Is that what's going on?

01:07:54.000 Or is he taking...

01:07:55.000 Something close to it.

01:07:55.000 Hmm.

01:07:56.000 Like, the popularity of Periscope is based on the same formula.

01:07:59.000 Also, everyone having their own TV shows, subscribing to us, feedback, chat rooms, all this stuff is the future.

01:08:06.000 Now, he's doing this with a Wacom, like one of those tablets?

01:08:09.000 Yeah, this is Photoshop.

01:08:12.000 You can just broadcast anything from your computer, almost.

01:08:14.000 It's just a matter of if they're going to allow you to put it on their service. 1.00

01:08:17.000 This guy's chat is bullshit. 0.99

01:08:19.000 It's still on this guy's chat. 1.00

01:08:20.000 That's 28 people.

01:08:21.000 Yeah, everyone blow up the chat.

01:08:21.000 Well, they haven't heard us yet.

01:08:23.000 There it goes.

01:08:23.000 Bam.

01:08:24.000 It takes like 15 seconds.

01:08:25.000 The viewer count won't update either.

01:08:27.000 Your whole chat, son.

01:08:28.000 She might have 500 in there, but it won't refresh yet.

01:08:31.000 Ask for permission before posting a link.

01:08:34.000 Purge.

01:08:35.000 Racism!

01:08:36.000 Oh my god, racism again.

01:08:38.000 Racism again.

01:08:38.000 But he didn't say the N-word because he uses the number one instead of an I, so it's okay.

01:08:43.000 Yeah, you have to do the filter.

01:08:44.000 Wow, this N-word thing is rude.

01:08:47.000 Can someone please call me a spick or maybe even a chink?

01:08:50.000 Because I'm just tired of the N-word.

01:08:52.000 That's one thing that's weird about the gaming community.

01:08:54.000 With, like, Xbox Live or online chat or anything, it's just racist.

01:08:59.000 Like, there's no...

01:09:00.000 There's no, like, everyone's racist on Xbox Live.

01:09:03.000 So, because it's forbidden, right?

01:09:06.000 Now, let me ask you this.

01:09:07.000 What was your take on this whole Gamergate thing?

01:09:10.000 Did that affect you at all?

01:09:11.000 Or are you like, what are you nerds fighting over?

01:09:13.000 And for folks who don't know what Gamergate was, you know, it kind of started out as some sort of a fight over online journalism and became something about feminism and social justice warriors and all kinds of craziness.

01:09:28.000 Yeah, that was, honestly, I don't even know the whole story.

01:09:31.000 I only heard about it partially because people were talking about the female side of things, and I remember a lot of the companies I worked with, immediately I saw a change in the direction of marketing. 1.00

01:09:40.000 They're like, put females on all of our adverts. 0.99

01:09:43.000 Really?

01:09:44.000 Because they wanted to be like, we support female gamers. 1.00

01:09:47.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:09:48.000 Really?

01:09:49.000 Yeah.

01:09:50.000 So, patronizing.

01:09:51.000 Yeah, I don't need to say specific companies, but I saw a lot of these esports companies, like, instead of having a guy wearing the gaming headset, it was a girl now, like, by the way, like, we do like gamers, like, or girl gamers, rather.

01:10:03.000 So their response to it was to say that they're supportive of female gaming?

01:10:08.000 Yeah, and supporting girl streamers on Twitch.

01:10:10.000 The whole thing was just so bizarre, because it all happened that one gal was banging some dude who was a video game.

01:10:16.000 Yeah, I actually don't know the whole story.

01:10:17.000 I never really researched it much.

01:10:18.000 Nobody knows it.

01:10:18.000 It's legendary.

01:10:19.000 It's like the story of Jesus.

01:10:20.000 There's like a bunch of different versions of it, you know?

01:10:23.000 Some of them go all the way back to Thor.

01:10:26.000 The whole thing, it's very strange.

01:10:28.000 It's very strange when you have these little satellite communities, and they branch off, and they do battle with each other. 0.96

01:10:34.000 Yeah, I tried to watch one of those two-minute videos that explained everything and I couldn't even figure it out from that.

01:10:39.000 I tried.

01:10:40.000 I couldn't, I just couldn't tolerate it.

01:10:42.000 It was just so nonsensical. 0.99

01:10:44.000 But it was like a lot of it just seemed like, you know, it seemed like there was a lot of bullshit on both sides, you know? 0.98

01:10:52.000 So you didn't even pay attention. 0.91

01:10:53.000 Like the hardcore gamers, like you're like so insulated deep in the hive that you didn't even hear the rumbling outside.

01:11:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:11:00.000 My managers, I play on a team called Cloud9, they were talking about it because their sponsors discussed with them about what it was, but I didn't hear about it until after it happened.

01:11:10.000 I was like, wait, what was this thing?

01:11:12.000 What were you trying to say, Jamie?

01:11:15.000 Drawing went offline.

01:11:16.000 Everyone in the chat made him go offline.

01:11:20.000 He's angry.

01:11:22.000 His mind's no longer occupied.

01:11:24.000 Now he has 319 people watching though. 0.84

01:11:27.000 I killed his dream.

01:11:29.000 There's a cool video on YouTube.

01:11:31.000 Singularity is happening.

01:11:32.000 I can send you this video.

01:11:34.000 Somebody just sent me of somebody getting robbed while twitching.

01:11:37.000 So they're twitching and then in the background, you see them getting robbed.

01:11:41.000 Like someone stealing things from their house?

01:11:42.000 Yeah, here, Jamie.

01:11:44.000 Oh, that girl, right?

01:11:46.000 So they're playing and behind them people are stealing things?

01:11:48.000 Yeah, it's a girl.

01:11:50.000 Pretty cute girl, it looks like.

01:11:51.000 And she doesn't even know?

01:11:52.000 Yeah.

01:11:53.000 How many people do stuff like that?

01:11:54.000 How many people are faking things like that just to get people to watch them?

01:11:58.000 Okay, so we're kind of getting off track here.

01:12:00.000 So this Twitch thing seems like a viable source of revenue, obviously.

01:12:05.000 But if you bank on that, sort of the same thing as your dad was saying.

01:12:10.000 This is a volatile industry that you're entering into.

01:12:13.000 The one thing I will give people who go big on Twitch, though, is as you see Lyric, he doesn't necessarily have a marriage to one game. 0.96

01:12:20.000 So when a new game comes out, his following is just like, fuck it, go play that game and we'll be entertained. 0.73

01:12:24.000 So that's the benefit. 0.99

01:12:26.000 And that's why I have dabbled in streaming.

01:12:28.000 I'm not a full-time streamer, but I can pay my bills with streaming.

01:12:31.000 And I go on there and I try to stream when I don't have a big tournament.

01:12:34.000 You could pay your bills with streaming.

01:12:36.000 Wow! 1.00

01:12:37.000 That is fucking crazy! 0.99

01:12:38.000 So you could, just for a goof, you could say, oh, you know, like, some people have, like, a little side job. 0.99

01:12:43.000 Like, your side job could be streaming, and that could, like, pay for your rent.

01:12:47.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:12:49.000 And the cool thing is, obviously, it's your own hours, just being an Uber driver or something.

01:12:53.000 Exactly, but way more money than an Uber driver.

01:12:55.000 Yeah, well, and the tips.

01:12:56.000 Uber drivers don't get donations.

01:12:58.000 Yeah, you don't get 10 grand from some dude in Dubai.

01:13:00.000 Exactly.

01:13:01.000 Wow, that is amazing.

01:13:02.000 This is a world that I just was not aware of.

01:13:05.000 And so girls do it, and they do it because hot girls can do it, and they don't even have to be good at games. 1.00

01:13:10.000 Right.

01:13:10.000 But there's a lot of girls who like...

01:13:12.000 Because there's not a lot of girl programmers like in Counter-Strike. 1.00

01:13:14.000 Like, I don't know the answer why.

01:13:15.000 This is always a discussion.

01:13:16.000 Like, why aren't there more girls at the top? 1.00

01:13:18.000 Because they're out there looking for dick. 0.99

01:13:21.000 That's one side of the argument. 0.99

01:13:23.000 Yeah, and we're looking for...

01:13:25.000 Girls.

01:13:25.000 You could argue that the guys aren't looking for girls, right?

01:13:27.000 That are...

01:13:28.000 Well, they are, but they've given up.

01:13:29.000 I mean, they are, but they're like, let's be realistic.

01:13:31.000 Games are here and they're fun.

01:13:32.000 So you have the girls on the stream that try to not portray that sexiness because they want to be taken more seriously.

01:13:39.000 Right.

01:13:39.000 So they purposefully don't have a hoodie on.

01:13:41.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that, right?

01:13:43.000 And I don't, it's one thing, like, I understand, like, there's this one girl, her name's Casey Tron, and she makes fun of the whole thing. 0.98

01:13:48.000 She's got big boobs as it is, but she pushes them up, has the camera, like, angled in on it, and she constantly says, like, stupid shit, and, like, makes, like, sexual innuendos all the time, and, like, just different jokes on her stream, because she wants to embrace the chaos that is the Twitch chat, and just kind of... 1.00

01:14:03.000 Right, and how did, and what kind of, like, numbers did she get? 1.00

01:14:06.000 I mean, it's definitely a full-time job for her. 0.65

01:14:09.000 She can make money. 1.00

01:14:10.000 Wow.

01:14:11.000 So you could actually make what a lawyer makes or a doctor makes.

01:14:15.000 Quarter million dollars, yeah.

01:14:16.000 That is so crazy.

01:14:19.000 I don't know why this is so surprising to me. 0.99

01:14:21.000 The TV networks are shit in their pants because of things like this Twitch. 0.97

01:14:27.000 Because more people are watching video games now than they are watching TV. Is that true? 0.97

01:14:32.000 Yeah.

01:14:33.000 Really?

01:14:33.000 Yeah, but there's a lot of channels, man.

01:14:35.000 There's 250 channels just on DirecTV or something like that.

01:14:37.000 More than that, probably, right?

01:14:38.000 Yeah, but most of these games, they're getting way more viewers per day than an episode of Grey's Anatomy nowadays.

01:14:47.000 I saw this thing about The Ultimate Fighter, you know, the UFC show, the reality show.

01:14:53.000 Where someone was saying that the, I don't know if this is true, but The Ultimate Fighter only had 246,000 people watch one of the episodes, which is just, I mean, that's way less than we get for a podcast.

01:15:06.000 That's normal.

01:15:07.000 That's normal.

01:15:08.000 Nowadays.

01:15:09.000 That's normal for Twitch.

01:15:12.000 What are you saying?

01:15:13.000 It's normal nowadays for the low numbers on TV, on cable.

01:15:16.000 But it's not, because that's like way lower than what it's been before.

01:15:21.000 As an example, there's a show that's on one of these oxygen networks or something like that at 10 p.m.

01:15:28.000 on a Tuesday.

01:15:29.000 What would you think the numbers are for that 10 p.m.

01:15:32.000 on a Tuesday on an oxygen network show?

01:15:34.000 I don't know how they even can figure that out, man.

01:15:37.000 Can you figure that out?

01:15:38.000 You can more so nowadays, I think, than you used to be able to because nowadays those numbers of the cable companies are sold too.

01:15:46.000 Yeah, that data is all shared and sold.

01:15:48.000 Right, but the question is, how do they know?

01:15:51.000 Well, the networks can monitor all that obviously, right?

01:15:54.000 I don't know.

01:15:55.000 It used to be Nielsen ratings.

01:15:56.000 It used to be you have to have a Nielsen box on your television.

01:15:59.000 That's old school.

01:16:00.000 Yeah, and then I think they still use that, though.

01:16:03.000 I don't think they're...

01:16:04.000 They know when people watch a DVR show within 24 hours, like, that's added into it.

01:16:08.000 A DVR show.

01:16:09.000 So they have to be monitoring your DVR box to know if you have watched it.

01:16:14.000 DVR, though.

01:16:15.000 But that is...

01:16:16.000 Is that watching it live?

01:16:17.000 Can they figure that out as well?

01:16:18.000 Sometimes it's added into that live number, so they'll give you 24 hours and...

01:16:21.000 But they don't add that into the ratings.

01:16:23.000 If you watch television ratings, that's not included in the ratings.

01:16:26.000 If you see Big Bang Theory, if that's the number one show, they don't factor in DirecTV.

01:16:33.000 I don't believe they do.

01:16:35.000 I think it just depends on what day you're looking at it.

01:16:37.000 They might wait two more days and they'll give you the updated facts.

01:16:40.000 But just like I have numbers on Twitch, I imagine all these channels have access to that.

01:16:45.000 Well, that was the debate.

01:16:46.000 The debate, though, in television was whether or not to include the DirecTV numbers, because DirecTV numbers were different than the numbers they were getting off of regular television.

01:16:55.000 Also, is many people watching the television together?

01:16:58.000 Is there five people watching one screen?

01:16:59.000 You've got to talk right into that, dude.

01:17:01.000 Oh, yeah, it's closer.

01:17:01.000 Is there five people watching one screen?

01:17:05.000 That's obviously the variables.

01:17:07.000 Right.

01:17:07.000 On a computer, you have to fill out info when you make a Twitch account, which makes it that much more valuable.

01:17:11.000 All the info is, like, age-based.

01:17:13.000 They know how old you are.

01:17:14.000 Oh.

01:17:14.000 Okay, here it goes.

01:17:15.000 Netflix ratings.

01:17:16.000 They don't need to share it.

01:17:17.000 Netflix won't share it.

01:17:17.000 They won't tell you.

01:17:18.000 They don't need to tell you. 1.00

01:17:19.000 They're like, fuck you, we're Netflix, bitch. 1.00

01:17:22.000 Well, yeah, internally, they obviously have all the... 1.00

01:17:23.000 Well, they have 70 million people on Netflix now, paying seven bucks a month. 1.00

01:17:29.000 Motherfucker of motherfuckers. 1.00

01:17:31.000 More than that. 1.00

01:17:31.000 I think it's just 70 million. 1.00

01:17:33.000 Well, Jamie, you can find that.

01:17:34.000 It's like Hulu 70. I don't know if they share that either.

01:17:36.000 No, I think they do.

01:17:38.000 Yeah, how many people are on Netflix?

01:17:40.000 So how many people are watching House of Cards?

01:17:43.000 No, they don't even tell you.

01:17:44.000 Hmm.

01:17:45.000 Hmm.

01:17:46.000 They don't know.

01:17:47.000 Find out how many people are on Netflix.

01:17:49.000 I think it's 70 million.

01:17:50.000 So yeah, this Ultimate Fighter, episode four of last week's Ultimate Fighter, only did 286,000 views.

01:17:58.000 Hmm.

01:18:00.000 Hmm.

01:18:01.000 Yeah, that's like a big, that's like a Counter-Strike tournament nowadays.

01:18:04.000 Is that really a Counter-Strike tournament?

01:18:05.000 That's what you would get?

01:18:06.000 Well, the last major we had over a million concurrent. 0.99

01:18:09.000 Fucking Christ. 0.99

01:18:11.000 A million watching at the same time. 1.00

01:18:13.000 My God.

01:18:16.000 That's amazing.

01:18:16.000 And League of Legends and those ones are monstrous too because they have weekly events this size.

01:18:22.000 That is unbelievable, man.

01:18:24.000 We are living in strange, strange times.

01:18:27.000 Awesome times, right?

01:18:28.000 They just crossed 40 million domestic subscribers.

01:18:30.000 40 million domestic, but worldwide.

01:18:32.000 I think worldwide they said it was 70. I'm looking at a Forbes article with it.

01:18:36.000 But even that, 40 million domestic gets seven bucks a month.

01:18:39.000 Hoo-hoo! 1.00

01:18:40.000 They got cash, baby! 0.96

01:18:42.000 So the one downside to Twitch ads is that ad block, right?

01:18:47.000 On Chrome.

01:18:48.000 So some ads don't get shown, so that doesn't go towards the counts per millennia, the CPM or whatever, the rate you get per thousand viewers.

01:18:56.000 So, obviously on a TV box you can't turn off the commercial.

01:19:01.000 You can switch the channel, but online you can literally disable the ad so that you're always watching the streamer.

01:19:07.000 Because I could run an ad every eight minutes, some people don't want to see the ad, they just want to watch Jordan.

01:19:11.000 So when I run a commercial I try to make an effort to leave the room so people aren't encouraged to turn off ad block.

01:19:16.000 So there's nothing going on during my commercial.

01:19:19.000 So your commercials are scheduled?

01:19:21.000 No, eight minutes.

01:19:22.000 I have a dashboard.

01:19:23.000 I could run a 30, 60, 90, 120, 150 second commercial.

01:19:28.000 And how does that work?

01:19:29.000 You get a piece of the ad?

01:19:30.000 Yep.

01:19:31.000 So per every thousand viewers I get a rate like three to five dollars per commercial I run.

01:19:35.000 So if I have 4,000 viewers and I run a commercial at prime hours, that's 30 seconds, I'll get like 20 bucks or something for like a couple thousand viewers.

01:19:43.000 So you could run for an hour, that's 80 bucks an hour or whatever.

01:19:48.000 But they still have to tune into it.

01:19:50.000 Yeah, they have to be tuned in.

01:19:51.000 That's like live action.

01:19:53.000 Sometimes if I'm having a really funny stream and there's a bunch of cool shit happening, I don't want to interrupt with a commercial, right?

01:20:00.000 Right. 0.57

01:20:00.000 But if I'm just playing a game and I'm like, alright guys, I'm going to go take a piss, get some food, a snack really quick, I'm going to run a two minute commercial. 0.57

01:20:06.000 But I try to never interrupt the action.

01:20:08.000 And these two-minute commercials, they use trailers for movies?

01:20:11.000 Yeah, so it draws from a random rotator.

01:20:15.000 That's how Twitch makes also their money.

01:20:17.000 So these companies pay Twitch maybe 10 grand to run their ad for this Friday.

01:20:21.000 So you don't get to choose?

01:20:22.000 You couldn't say, like, hey, I'd like to have a Chevy ad right now?

01:20:27.000 No, but what I can do is have advertisers pay me directly and run their pre-rolls as my stream and never run a commercial through Twitch.

01:20:35.000 Or do an internal advertisement inside the show like what we do.

01:20:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:20:39.000 Or could you have product placement?

01:20:41.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:20:42.000 You know what goes good with gaming?

01:20:43.000 Coca-Cola.

01:20:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:20:45.000 Well, that's what I'm doing.

01:20:46.000 When I play on my stream, I have my sponsor's headphones on.

01:20:48.000 I have their keyboard.

01:20:49.000 And they pay you monthly or annually?

01:20:51.000 Well, those are the people who support me to fly to, like, Europe and all over the world each month.

01:20:55.000 I just got back from London this weekend.

01:20:56.000 That's, you know, a big event.

01:20:58.000 Samsung.

01:20:58.000 Get away from me.

01:20:59.000 So, yeah, so I have two phones, right?

01:21:03.000 I have to disactivate my iPhone because I got sponsored by HTC recently.

01:21:06.000 Oh.

01:21:07.000 Oh, you had to deactivate your phone?

01:21:08.000 Well, I still have it because I have an unlimited data plan, so I've been resisting, but I have the new HTC M9, which I use for everything else.

01:21:15.000 I didn't even know the M9 was out.

01:21:17.000 It just came out.

01:21:17.000 When?

01:21:18.000 A week ago?

01:21:19.000 Yeah, I think I got it right as before.

01:21:21.000 The M8 was pretty dope.

01:21:22.000 The M8 was dope.

01:21:23.000 How much better is the M9? Honestly...

01:21:25.000 Let's see it, bitch. 1.00

01:21:25.000 Pull it out. 1.00

01:21:26.000 You know, the family plan on T-Mobile...

01:21:28.000 Actually, it's in my car.

01:21:29.000 The family plan on T-Mobile is unlimited LTE data.

01:21:32.000 That's my music player.

01:21:33.000 T-Mobile's your music player?

01:21:36.000 Oh, I see.

01:21:37.000 I understand.

01:21:38.000 So, this is a whole new world that I'm being introduced to.

01:21:42.000 This world of streaming.

01:21:44.000 I mean, the world of competitive video games.

01:21:46.000 I'm scared.

01:21:47.000 I don't want to be sweaty on you.

01:21:49.000 The world of competitive video games, I was kind of aware of and I knew about these enormous StarCraft tournaments where people are, you know, watching it on television.

01:21:57.000 Yeah, Korea, it's still huge, right? 1.00

01:21:59.000 Yeah, that's why StarCraft 1 died.

01:22:01.000 It got so big that everyone was throwing matches for money.

01:22:03.000 Throwing it?

01:22:04.000 Oh.

01:22:04.000 Here's 20 grand, lose your next game.

01:22:06.000 No way, really?

01:22:08.000 And then there's, because there's betting, because, you know, Korea's, it got big really fast. 0.89

01:22:12.000 I hate bad noodle. 0.96

01:22:13.000 People always find a way to fuck things up, don't they?

01:22:17.000 That's kind of what happened to the original StarCraft, because that game was badass.

01:22:19.000 I don't think they needed to change it too much.

01:22:21.000 They could have just updated the graphics a little.

01:22:23.000 And what happened?

01:22:24.000 Well, that kind of ruined part of the integrity of the Korean scene, which was like the dominant... 1.00

01:22:29.000 Those guys are like insane.

01:22:31.000 Like the way they practiced, the way they played was like just clear-cut, more efficient, smarter, better than everyone in the world.

01:22:36.000 So when their scene was infected that way, it kind of...

01:22:40.000 Is that a cultural issue?

01:22:41.000 Like you were talking about Europe and Korea?

01:22:43.000 Is there like a stigma on it in America that doesn't exist in Europe and Korea?

01:22:47.000 Yeah.

01:22:47.000 Well, definitely.

01:22:48.000 When I go to Sweden, it's like being a pro surfer in California.

01:22:51.000 Really?

01:22:51.000 Not everyone recognizes me, but I will get recognized every day over there.

01:22:54.000 So, like, I'll be at a McDonald's and so I'll be like, oh shit, hey, what up, nothing?

01:22:57.000 And I'll be like, you here for DreamHack? 0.93

01:22:58.000 Yeah, cool.

01:22:59.000 But not everyone in the room will know who I am, but that one guy will.

01:23:03.000 Like, my buddy's from Sweden, the team NIP, they're the best team from Sweden.

01:23:06.000 When most of those guys walk around in Sweden, they're recognized 20, 30 times a day.

01:23:10.000 That's, like, normal at least. 0.99

01:23:11.000 So there's fucking, there's celebrities. 0.99

01:23:13.000 There's celebrities in their city for sure. 0.99

01:23:14.000 Is it, like, comparable to, like, a Daniel Negrano?

01:23:17.000 Who's a big-time poker player?

01:23:19.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:23:20.000 Or Phil, what's his name?

01:23:22.000 Phil Ivey.

01:23:22.000 Is it comparable to that or more?

01:23:24.000 I would say more like the surfer analogy is probably better because I guess those guys are in the region.

01:23:29.000 Right, in the world, right.

01:23:30.000 Wow, that is unbelievable.

01:23:33.000 Kelly Slater or something.

01:23:34.000 Yeah, well, he's pretty famous worldwide.

01:23:37.000 So that would be like Fatality, that one guy.

01:23:38.000 I'm sure he doesn't even know.

01:23:39.000 Yeah, I know that dude.

01:23:41.000 He's done, right?

01:23:42.000 Yeah, he just does all sorts of marketing.

01:23:44.000 Best gamer in the world still, right?

01:23:46.000 He was really good at Quake, but obviously all the new current players could beat him.

01:23:51.000 Rafa is like the best Quake player ever.

01:23:54.000 He is?

01:23:55.000 Yeah, Shane.

01:23:55.000 Well, whatever happened to that one dude, what was his name, Immortal?

01:23:59.000 No, the fuck's his name? 0.95

01:24:01.000 There was a guy who was an Asian cat who had his own, he had like a whole server and a whole website, rather. 1.00

01:24:13.000 God damn it. 0.87

01:24:13.000 Well, I have a website now. 0.87

01:24:15.000 The best immediately, like in the early days.

01:24:18.000 Was it Quake?

01:24:19.000 I feel like his name was Immortal.

01:24:21.000 But he stopped playing.

01:24:22.000 Probably should know this.

01:24:23.000 And he stopped playing and started developing products and a gaming website.

01:24:29.000 And I think for a lot of those guys, the actual gameplay is so involving.

01:24:34.000 Like, you have to practice 8-10 hours a day.

01:24:37.000 Yeah.

01:24:38.000 I've experienced the lethargy of it.

01:24:40.000 Because it's a novelty, right?

01:24:42.000 You do something, you're so into it because it's new and exciting to compete.

01:24:45.000 Well, a lot of these pro MLB and NFL players probably wouldn't be in it if they're barely making a wage.

01:24:51.000 They would probably say, yeah, that was fun, but it's not worth it.

01:24:52.000 Getting my head bashed in.

01:24:54.000 Well, I'm not getting my head bashed in, but I am spending a lot of time inside.

01:24:56.000 I am neglecting.

01:24:57.000 My hours are odd, right?

01:24:58.000 I practice like It's a little evening.

01:25:00.000 So a lot of my friendship hangouts have to be like weird hours or weekends or when I have no tournament.

01:25:06.000 So there is downsides to everything, right?

01:25:08.000 So like, for me, the novelty has gone away a little bit.

01:25:10.000 Like, I don't play many games anymore.

01:25:12.000 I'm not a video game player.

01:25:13.000 I'm a Counter-Strike player.

01:25:15.000 And so I don't, in my free time, I'm not just like, let me flip on my PlayStation 4. It's like, no, let me go outside.

01:25:20.000 Let me go.

01:25:21.000 I play ice hockey still once a week.

01:25:22.000 I play golf sometimes.

01:25:24.000 I try to stay active because I would go insane being inside all day.

01:25:27.000 I have one teammate right now who's very new to the pro scene.

01:25:29.000 He plays all day.

01:25:30.000 He streams all night.

01:25:31.000 He's going to make way more than all of us because he literally won't leave his house for two weeks and he's still totally sane, happy, totally positive.

01:25:37.000 How's that possible?

01:25:40.000 It'll go away probably eventually, but he's in that state where his friends are online, and it's not like you're by yourself.

01:25:46.000 You're dealing with...

01:25:46.000 You played Quake, right, with your friends, right?

01:25:48.000 He's very interactive.

01:25:49.000 We're all very interactive.

01:25:50.000 He loves gaming.

01:25:52.000 I was at that stage one time where I didn't mind not going out for the whole weekend, and I would just land with my friends.

01:25:57.000 After a while...

01:25:59.000 Depending on how you've balanced your life, obviously you want to do other things in your day, right?

01:26:04.000 You want to feel fulfilled as a human.

01:26:06.000 I took up golf a couple years ago just to do something else and try to be decently skilled at it just for fun.

01:26:12.000 The kid's name was Thresh.

01:26:14.000 Thresh, yep.

01:26:14.000 Yeah.

01:26:15.000 He won like, what did he win, like a Ferrari or something?

01:26:17.000 I remember.

01:26:18.000 Well, he was like one of the...

01:26:19.000 Dennis Fong started...

01:26:20.000 Yeah, that's him.

01:26:21.000 He started Xfire, I think, a big company now.

01:26:23.000 Yeah, that's Thresh.

01:26:25.000 Is that Xfire?

01:26:25.000 Yeah.

01:26:26.000 He was like the best player or one of the best players at the time.

01:26:30.000 I remember watching that guy.

01:26:31.000 He was like the first pro gamer.

01:26:32.000 Yeah, watching him play in demos.

01:26:34.000 You're like, Jesus Christ.

01:26:35.000 And then he came up with a website and he had like a gaming news portal.

01:26:40.000 He definitely paved the way.

01:26:42.000 Joe, and of all the shows that we've ever done, Joe Rogan Podcast, I don't think we've ever had 8,000 people viewing our show.

01:26:49.000 Right now we have like almost 8,000 people.

01:26:52.000 Viewing our show.

01:26:53.000 We haven't had that many before?

01:26:54.000 What's the most we've ever had, Jamie?

01:26:55.000 5,000.

01:26:56.000 5,000 before?

01:26:57.000 Wow.

01:26:58.000 It's a gaming community.

01:26:58.000 We didn't even hit it up that hard.

01:26:59.000 I wasn't sure if I could announce this last week.

01:27:01.000 I was like...

01:27:01.000 Yeah.

01:27:03.000 That is fascinating.

01:27:05.000 This whole thing is just...

01:27:06.000 It's a gamer world. 1.00

01:27:07.000 Yeah, I hate gamer fuckers. 0.99

01:27:09.000 We've hit some new plateau, I think, with interactivity with this. 1.00

01:27:14.000 Not we, but like the world.

01:27:15.000 I'm excited for you to connect you to Twitch. 0.96

01:27:17.000 I think that's going to do some cool shit for you.

01:27:18.000 Yeah, I think we need to put this thing on Twitch for sure now. 0.90

01:27:21.000 There's a whole world out there of people that are involved in this that I just had no idea about.

01:27:29.000 I had no idea that people were making donation money and that someone could make 50 grand a month.

01:27:34.000 Because we weren't always, right?

01:27:35.000 How new is this?

01:27:37.000 How recent is it?

01:27:38.000 Probably 2010 when it really started.

01:27:40.000 So the last five years.

01:27:41.000 You used to be Justin TV. Justin TV. Oh yeah, we used to do that.

01:27:44.000 We used to hang out with Justin.

01:27:45.000 We used to do Justin TV from the Green Room at Cobb's Comedy Club in San Francisco.

01:27:51.000 That was old Joe Rogan experience before it was Joe Rogan experience.

01:27:54.000 We even met with them and they were like, here, we want to give you laptops and cameras and stuff.

01:27:59.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:28:00.000 That was like when we used to do it in, we did it in my hotel a few times.

01:28:04.000 We did it in green rooms.

01:28:06.000 What did you do in your hotel? 1.00

01:28:06.000 I did all kinds of shit. 1.00

01:28:07.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:28:07.000 Remember I came with the bathrobe on, the leopard bathrobe for you and Joey, and I danced for you? 1.00

01:28:12.000 Do you remember the time there was that dude, and this was way, way back in the day, but he had some sort of a cellular hookup in his backpack that was attached to a laptop.

01:28:22.000 That was Justin TV. Yeah.

01:28:24.000 And they walk around their dorm and shit. 0.99

01:28:26.000 And he had a webcam. 0.99

01:28:27.000 He had a webcam that was like on his chest or a hat or something along those lines.

01:28:31.000 And he had this like set and he wanted to give us one of these setups and have us take it around.

01:28:36.000 And I think that's where me and Brian, like we just, we just, we're crossing the line here.

01:28:40.000 This is just too fucking weird.

01:28:41.000 That's it next. 0.87

01:28:42.000 Joe Rogan has a GoPro on his head during the UFC fight night.

01:28:44.000 But that's what Periscope is.

01:28:46.000 I'm going to Periscope from this UFC this weekend.

01:28:48.000 Oh sweet.

01:28:48.000 Yeah, I'm gonna see if I can get a service or a cell phone signal because I think there's a Wi-Fi.

01:28:53.000 Tether it.

01:28:54.000 You might want to also talk to Dana first about it.

01:28:56.000 Well, I'm not gonna show the fights.

01:28:58.000 I'm not gonna show the fights.

01:29:00.000 I'm gonna like Periscope. 0.79

01:29:02.000 I wanted to Periscope like me and Goldberg, like getting ready and fucking around and let everybody know what it is and this is what it looks like. 0.71

01:29:09.000 I want to introduce everybody to the people that work behind the scenes and show everybody Tom Segura and Tony Hinchcliffe. 0.84

01:29:14.000 I'll just come down to Periscope.

01:29:15.000 This new app you're dealing with?

01:29:17.000 I haven't messed with it.

01:29:18.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:18.000 Periscope is a streaming app where you stream from your cell phone.

01:29:22.000 Oh, I have seen one.

01:29:23.000 Yeah, so we do it all the time.

01:29:24.000 The Comedy Store the other day, I took people on a tour of the Comedy Store.

01:29:27.000 I took them up to the Belly Room.

01:29:29.000 I took them down to the Comics Bar.

01:29:31.000 I took them all over the place.

01:29:32.000 Very cool.

01:29:33.000 I should do that, yeah.

01:29:33.000 Just go to the beach, clown around or something.

01:29:36.000 You could, yeah. 0.74

01:29:37.000 You could do whatever you want.

01:29:38.000 I mean, could you show pornography with that?

01:29:40.000 No, I just got banned.

01:29:41.000 Immediately back to the porn. 0.91

01:29:42.000 You got banned again?

01:29:43.000 Yeah, well, I got banned for doing...

01:29:45.000 Brian, what do you do in your free time?

01:29:48.000 I troll my free cams.

01:29:50.000 But here, check it out.

01:29:52.000 Okay, cool.

01:29:52.000 So there's people looking at it right now.

01:29:54.000 You have to hold it up and down for some reason.

01:29:56.000 Oh, okay.

01:29:56.000 Oh, this way, vertical.

01:29:57.000 And so there's people chatting to you.

01:29:59.000 What's up, Edgar?

01:30:01.000 No, the rules of Periscope.

01:30:04.000 That's trippy.

01:30:05.000 No nudie, no overall sexual content.

01:30:08.000 I can't use it.

01:30:09.000 No showing fights, because they got out of huge trouble for a lot of people streaming the Manny fight, Mayweather fight.

01:30:16.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:30:17.000 So how I got banned, though, is because of the fights, because of the fights, Because of the fights, they had to incorporate some kind of feature so people were showing the fights that people could report on them.

01:30:31.000 So what happened to me is there was a bipolar schizophrenic cam girl named Egyptian Princess. 0.85

01:30:38.000 Doesn't that just go without saying?

01:30:40.000 She was wearing clothes, but she was just like, it was so funny.

01:30:44.000 And all these people on Reddit were like trolling her or something.

01:30:46.000 So I was filming what was going on with this Reddit troll.

01:30:50.000 And so many people thought I was doing the troll that they reported me and I got banned.

01:30:55.000 But Periscope.

01:30:57.000 They reinstated you? 0.97

01:30:58.000 Periscope and Twitter looked at it and goes, well, that's a stupid rule because you probably have a lot of haters that would just do this every time you get on. 0.96

01:31:05.000 I'm like, yep. 0.98

01:31:06.000 Exactly.

01:31:07.000 So I think they've kind of relaxed it for me at least.

01:31:09.000 At least they respect the fact that you would have some haters.

01:31:13.000 They take your word for it.

01:31:16.000 It sucks because on Twitch they recently added that even as a guy, you can't be seen with your shirt off on Twitch. 0.85

01:31:21.000 What? 0.92

01:31:22.000 Yeah, I did something funny one time where I killed the whole team and I didn't react at all.

01:31:27.000 I got up, put my headphones on, I took my shirt off and I walked out of the room.

01:31:29.000 Just to have a funny reaction.

01:31:31.000 If I did that now, my channel would get shut down for an hour.

01:31:34.000 So that's like how New York City has that law that men can take their shirts off so women take their shirts off because they can't do anything about it. 0.93

01:31:41.000 Yeah, because like Ari Shafir will walk around New York City every day with no shirt on.

01:31:45.000 He does it all the time.

01:31:46.000 Don't ew.

01:31:47.000 He's a beautiful man.

01:31:48.000 Our society is pretty weird about that stuff. 0.95

01:31:51.000 Well, if you're allowed to show a male nipple, look, I am fully supportive of anybody who wants to be naked. 0.86

01:31:56.000 If you want to be naked and walk down the street, I think clothes... 0.95

01:31:59.000 Especially if it's symmetrical. 0.99

01:32:00.000 Well, I just think the idea of clothes is fucking ridiculous. 0.98

01:32:02.000 It's not natural. 0.99

01:32:03.000 You know what's natural?

01:32:04.000 Being naked.

01:32:05.000 Clothes are just, we're imposing this.

01:32:07.000 We're imposing this to society.

01:32:08.000 If you're comfortable being naked, walking down the street, what, you're going to hide it from the kids?

01:32:13.000 Well, you're very intimidating when you have no shirt on. 0.54

01:32:16.000 I mean, it's too much like, ah, sex and perfect muscles and stuff, so it makes some of us nervous. 0.98

01:32:24.000 Well, you're disgusting, so maybe somebody had just eaten and they saw you. 0.96

01:32:30.000 So we're all going to Burning Man and we're doing a Joe Rogan podcast. 0.98

01:32:33.000 Scott Jorgensen has a Twitch thing. 1.00

01:32:36.000 Oh, no shit, man. 0.99

01:32:38.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:32:39.000 Scott has 725,000 fucking views. 0.99

01:32:42.000 Wasn't there another musician lately who's playing Call of Duty? 0.99

01:32:45.000 Alright, I'm going to give this back to Brian.

01:32:47.000 Is there a barcode?

01:32:48.000 Oh, I love these little heart things.

01:32:50.000 You should do UFC Twitch.

01:32:53.000 You ever play the UFC game?

01:32:54.000 Yeah, well, I have to do some...

01:32:56.000 You know what I'll do?

01:32:57.000 I should...

01:32:58.000 Well, I have to do some voiceover for the newer version of it.

01:33:02.000 Because they have new, updated versions of it every year.

01:33:04.000 So this year I have to go...

01:33:05.000 I have to go in, in like a couple weeks, I have to go in and... 0.99

01:33:09.000 It's a fucking laborious task. 0.98

01:33:11.000 I have to fake fights. 0.99

01:33:12.000 Fake fights are going on.

01:33:14.000 Is there ever going to be a playable character of you?

01:33:16.000 Because that's one thing that the internet has been asking for for a while, is having a playable easter egg character of you.

01:33:22.000 I would have to do a lot of work to do that.

01:33:24.000 I'm not really interested.

01:33:25.000 I'd have to throw a bunch of kicks and get videotaped in my body. 0.95

01:33:29.000 I was going to say, man, you have a vicious kick. 0.97

01:33:31.000 I saw something on Instagram. 0.92

01:33:32.000 I was like, I would have just got broken in half by that kick.

01:33:34.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:33:35.000 Only if I hit you. 1.00

01:33:36.000 You're kicking a beanbag. 0.97

01:33:37.000 Yeah, but beanbags don't hit back. 1.00

01:33:38.000 It wasn't a beanbag.

01:33:39.000 It had a nice pop to it.

01:33:42.000 Beanbag.

01:33:43.000 Beanbag. 1.00

01:33:43.000 Fucking beanbag. 1.00

01:33:44.000 Hacky sack. 1.00

01:33:46.000 All of the above.

01:33:47.000 So, where is this going?

01:33:49.000 This is going towards virtual, right? 0.99

01:33:52.000 Oculus Rift is the next stage for all this shit. 0.99

01:33:55.000 I mean, that's all I'm thinking. 0.99

01:33:57.000 And by the way, that's what Carmack believes.

01:33:59.000 Carmack and I were chatting back and forth the other day on Twitter, and one of the things that he was talking about that he's obsessed with, I guess, is Oculus.

01:34:07.000 Oculus Rift and the possibilities that that entails. 0.94

01:34:10.000 Have you fucked with Oculus at all? 0.97

01:34:12.000 I played some weird ocean surfing simulator thing, but playing Counter-Strike, I feel like I'd get nauseous. 0.98

01:34:18.000 I want to try it, though.

01:34:19.000 See, that's the biggest problem, the biggest obstacle that they have to get over is a lot of people put it on and get sick immediately, and so it's not going to work for them.

01:34:27.000 Yeah, that's the thing, man, like with motion sickness.

01:34:30.000 Like some folks get motion sickness and some people don't.

01:34:32.000 Like some people can't, like my wife can't get on a boat. 1.00

01:34:35.000 She gets on a boat, she's like, like I have no problem.

01:34:37.000 I can be on waves and it doesn't affect me.

01:34:40.000 And my kids are the same way.

01:34:41.000 It doesn't bug them.

01:34:42.000 I was worried that it would get them, but it doesn't get them.

01:34:45.000 But some people, like, if you're in the backseat of a car, they'll get sick.

01:34:50.000 They have to sit in the front seat if you're going around.

01:34:52.000 Yeah, like, Kurt, what is that? 0.99

01:34:54.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

01:34:55.000 Some people just can't take it. 1.00

01:34:56.000 I know people that can even watch video games on TV, first-person shooters, or they get sick.

01:35:01.000 Some equilibrium shift or something internally, I don't know.

01:35:04.000 So that would be a factor with Oculus?

01:35:07.000 Because I don't think it tracks your eye movement.

01:35:09.000 So if you want to look to the right, I think you have to do this.

01:35:11.000 Versus like, if you wanted to look to your right with your eyes, you can look to your right.

01:35:14.000 Oh, right, of course.

01:35:16.000 So it'll be very stiff for a while.

01:35:18.000 Yeah, that would be odd.

01:35:20.000 But they have those omnidirectional treadmills that they're using for Oculus.

01:35:24.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:35:25.000 So you would actually get some workout.

01:35:26.000 I'm going to go run in Tahiti.

01:35:27.000 Well, no, you'd be playing Counter-Strike and you'd be running.

01:35:31.000 I think that's when my ranking in the world would really go downhill.

01:35:35.000 Everybody's would.

01:35:36.000 Dudes would start taking EPO and running on treadmills every day.

01:35:40.000 You would have to do something.

01:35:41.000 I mean, if you think about competitive advantages, if it all of a sudden started becoming physical, if it shifted...

01:35:48.000 Gamers started being, like, super fit.

01:35:51.000 That would be crazy!

01:35:52.000 Like, you know, you remember that Dance Dance Revolution game?

01:35:55.000 I love that game.

01:35:55.000 That game made so many people get in shape.

01:35:59.000 I mean, it really did.

01:36:00.000 There was all these, like, success stories of people who they got into it just for being silly, you know, play a video game. 0.96

01:36:07.000 Still silly.

01:36:08.000 But then all that hopping around got them in incredible shape. 0.84

01:36:11.000 Like, guys were losing, like, 50, 60 pounds.

01:36:13.000 Well, the health apps on the Xbox Live are amazing now.

01:36:17.000 The Wii Fit.

01:36:17.000 In the Wii, my Kinect tracks my body.

01:36:19.000 So if you're doing one of the workout videos, like what is that one, the PF56? PF, PX90. PF Changs.

01:36:29.000 But yeah, that actually tracks your body.

01:36:31.000 So it knows you need to bend your arms more.

01:36:33.000 Your legs aren't bending.

01:36:34.000 You're cheating.

01:36:35.000 You're trying to cheat.

01:36:35.000 You're trying to do half reps.

01:36:37.000 Right.

01:36:38.000 Yeah.

01:36:39.000 Yeah, that's uh, well the the the oculus thing I would think that eventually that would be like you could do like you could spar You could have like a martial arts simulator with like there's a person in front of you and you're fucking duking it out with some person Totally practice your little meta fighting.

01:36:54.000 I don't know You wouldn't be able to grab them That would be an issue like you wouldn't be able like there would be no grappling stuff But you would be able to kick and punch and stuff start 3d printing opponents Yeah, the thing about grappling is you're interacting with a person's body.

01:37:10.000 Striking is kind of independent because you could kind of pretend you're hitting someone.

01:37:16.000 And they react.

01:37:17.000 Yeah, and you don't really have to have a...

01:37:20.000 Jiu-Jitsu, you're actually manipulating bodies and it requires correct leverage and you have weight.

01:37:27.000 You're pushing weight around.

01:37:28.000 But they could give you like...

01:37:30.000 No, you'd be fighting a robot.

01:37:33.000 That wouldn't work.

01:37:34.000 That's to get way lighter first, because it's like a two or three pound thing almost you're putting on your head.

01:37:40.000 What, the Oculus?

01:37:40.000 Yeah, you can't just jiggle around and move.

01:37:43.000 Right, but it's eventually going to be a neural interface.

01:37:45.000 I mean, it's eventually going to be some sort of a chip that they stick in the back of your head.

01:37:48.000 I don't think we're long for this world. 0.98

01:37:52.000 I think human beings are going to be some weird fucking computer thing in the next 30 or 40 years. 0.99

01:37:57.000 I really do. 0.99

01:37:58.000 I just don't see this lasting. 0.98

01:37:59.000 I mean, our armies are already fucking guys sitting in an airbase in Nevada.

01:38:03.000 I just couldn't There's a lot of, I mean it's a small portion, but it's a lot of the technology they're working on now is also exoskeletons. 0.70

01:38:11.000 Have you seen those?

01:38:12.000 I mean, I know- I understand what you're saying, but no.

01:38:15.000 They have these insane exoskeleton suits that are allowing people to carry hundreds and hundreds of pounds.

01:38:20.000 They- you don't get tired.

01:38:22.000 Your body can do all sorts of things it would never be able to do before.

01:38:26.000 This is a game called Crysis that is just like that.

01:38:28.000 Have you seen Crysis?

01:38:29.000 You can like flip on your power suit. 0.97

01:38:30.000 It's like invisibility, super strength, you can like jump over a roof and shit. 0.62

01:38:34.000 What was that Matt Damon movie? 0.85

01:38:35.000 Oh yeah, the new Call of Duty.

01:38:37.000 Matt Damon?

01:38:37.000 Was it Matt Damon?

01:38:38.000 Matt Damon.

01:38:39.000 Wait.

01:38:39.000 Remember that movie?

01:38:40.000 What's it called?

01:38:41.000 Elysium?

01:38:42.000 Yes.

01:38:42.000 Elysium.

01:38:43.000 Remember?

01:38:44.000 He has that suit.

01:38:44.000 They screw it into his brain and he becomes like a super person because he's got this wacky...

01:38:48.000 He had to get to like, Cholo version, you remember? 0.94

01:38:51.000 Yes.

01:38:51.000 He had to go...

01:38:54.000 We had to go to some weird place.

01:38:55.000 Yeah, and they're like, alright, Holmes, you owe me a hundred thousand, give me this to you. 0.98

01:38:57.000 Yeah, it was like a dystopian version of the future, and everything was bad, but the rich people all lived in the sky in some beautiful town where Sigourney Weaver, no, it wasn't Sigourney Weaver, who the fuck was it that was the king? 0.91

01:39:07.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.69

01:39:10.000 From...

01:39:10.000 Fatal Attraction?

01:39:12.000 That broad.

01:39:12.000 C-word.

01:39:13.000 Glenn Close.

01:39:14.000 Glenn Close. 0.99

01:39:14.000 Glenn Close was the mayor, or the queen, or whatever the fuck she was. 0.99

01:39:18.000 Yeah, did you see this? 0.99

01:39:20.000 Oh! 0.60

01:39:21.000 It's us.

01:39:22.000 This guy's paralyzed, and he got a brain-controlled arm.

01:39:24.000 Whoa, play that.

01:39:27.000 He's controlling this with his brain.

01:39:30.000 And how is he doing that?

01:39:31.000 How is he controlling it?

01:39:32.000 There's a computer interface.

01:39:33.000 You see the interface on his head up there.

01:39:36.000 Whoa, it's drilled.

01:39:36.000 See, that's awesome.

01:39:37.000 And he's grabbing things with his arm.

01:39:39.000 Giving disabled people the ability.

01:39:41.000 Dude, there's an incredible story.

01:39:45.000 I'll talk after this.

01:39:46.000 And that can be a single neuron.

01:39:48.000 So you can get a whole representation of a grasp and another neuron nearby will produce a different type of grasp and be sensitive to a different type of object.

01:39:58.000 So cool.

01:39:58.000 Oh my god, he's picking up a drink.

01:40:00.000 I'm thinking...

01:40:01.000 twitch.tv slash handy.

01:40:03.000 Oh yeah, I've seen this guy.

01:40:04.000 After this guy, yeah.

01:40:05.000 He's a friend of mine.

01:40:06.000 I'm doing it all by myself and everything's going good, right?

01:40:09.000 I'm imagining to picking up the robotic arm.

01:40:14.000 I'm extending the robotic arm towards the beer.

01:40:18.000 I pick it up.

01:40:19.000 That's awesome.

01:40:19.000 I have the straw to my mouth, ready, slow, extremely.

01:40:23.000 I can practically taste the beer, right?

01:40:26.000 And I drop it.

01:40:27.000 I drop.

01:40:28.000 I somehow release.

01:40:30.000 In my thought process, I release the grip on the beer.

01:40:34.000 And it falls, and it falls in my lap, and it spills all over me.

01:40:39.000 So that was one of the bloopers, and that was funny.

01:40:42.000 Wow!

01:40:43.000 That guy's getting hammered.

01:40:45.000 With a robot arm.

01:40:46.000 Come back here, you arm! 0.98

01:40:47.000 No!

01:40:47.000 So when he gets drunk, can he not control it with his mind anymore?

01:40:50.000 Yeah, maybe he's like, drunk roboting.

01:40:54.000 Well, I mean that's beautiful because but that's again what we're saying and I don't think we're long for this world I mean, I think eventually that right now is really crude. 0.88

01:41:04.000 That's like the Model T of these fucking robot things, but we're gonna get to the Tesla of these robot things And that's not that far away. 1.00

01:41:12.000 And then people are gonna go, well, fuck this shitty body. 1.00

01:41:14.000 This fucking flesh bag that I live in that's always farting and going bad. 1.00

01:41:19.000 You know, I'm getting sick all the time. 1.00

01:41:21.000 Let me just fucking take my brain and stuff it into this thing that'll keep it alive indefinitely. 0.98

01:41:25.000 Well, and nano stuff is gonna start overwhelming. 0.99

01:41:28.000 So this guy I know personally, he plays with the nubs.

01:41:31.000 He was born like this. 0.99

01:41:33.000 He's got no arms or legs, and he plays using his nose and his two nubs, and he's fucking good. 0.99

01:41:38.000 Wow, and he shoots with you? 0.96

01:41:40.000 Yeah, he's like better than the average player in the world.

01:41:43.000 What?

01:41:45.000 So he's like a world-class player?

01:41:47.000 Yeah, his name's Mikey.

01:41:48.000 I did a little report on him actually back in school.

01:41:50.000 Wow.

01:41:51.000 So I grew up playing as a kid.

01:41:52.000 He comes to the tournaments.

01:41:52.000 I go to tournaments around L.A. when I was younger.

01:41:55.000 He comes there.

01:41:56.000 He's sitting there smoking a cigarette.

01:41:57.000 He's got a little thing.

01:41:58.000 Smoking a cigarette?

01:41:59.000 He has a wire he pulls out of his pocket, lights up a cigarette.

01:42:03.000 A wire?

01:42:04.000 Yeah, he has an assist or an iron hanger. 0.97

01:42:09.000 And he straightened it out and curved the end so he could pick shit up with it. 0.86

01:42:13.000 He's really creative. 0.98

01:42:15.000 Wow.

01:42:15.000 If you watch him play, he's amazing.

01:42:18.000 Joe Rogan is getting the chat room right now.

01:42:20.000 Everyone say hi from Jordan to Mikey.

01:42:22.000 Hey, what's up, dude?

01:42:23.000 He's a badass guy.

01:42:25.000 I did a report on him.

01:42:26.000 The stuff he does that he's able to do, drive, skateboard, surf, fish...

01:42:32.000 Drive?

01:42:33.000 How does he drive?

01:42:34.000 Yeah, so that's what he's building a new car now, but they're like extended pedals and like these foot shifters.

01:42:42.000 Yeah, but the guy in Texas has like much longer arms than this.

01:42:45.000 This is incredible.

01:42:47.000 So this guy, how does he write?

01:42:49.000 Like when he's typing?

01:42:50.000 How does he type?

01:42:51.000 Yeah, with his nubs in his nose.

01:42:53.000 He types with his nose?

01:42:55.000 Yeah, watch him switch weapons.

01:42:56.000 Oh, he's dead now.

01:42:59.000 Wow.

01:43:03.000 So he's fixing his...

01:43:05.000 He's talking.

01:43:08.000 Hi, Jordan.

01:43:08.000 He's saying hi, Jordan.

01:43:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:43:10.000 He's a homie. 1.00

01:43:12.000 Wow.

01:43:12.000 He's a cool dude.

01:43:13.000 And his mindset is insane, you know?

01:43:15.000 This guy is just like, always just like, yeah, you just gotta live life in Britain. 0.99

01:43:19.000 And I'm just like, dude, you know how many people complain about such menial shit compared to what you do? 0.99

01:43:23.000 Yeah, no kidding, man. 1.00

01:43:25.000 Well, perspective is a motherfucker. 1.00

01:43:28.000 Do you know if he's ticklish? 1.00

01:43:29.000 No, I don't know.

01:43:30.000 Hey, what's going on there with these guys in the game where they have money over their heads?

01:43:34.000 So that's, so Counter-Strike works off economy.

01:43:36.000 So every, you start with a pistol, you have $800.

01:43:39.000 The more rounds you win, the more money you get, and the better guns you can get.

01:43:42.000 Oh, how rude.

01:43:43.000 And if you lose, that's like a big part of the competitive play, is controlling your money.

01:43:47.000 Because if you, like, force buy, it's called, where you just buy everything every round, if you keep losing, you're not gonna have good inventory.

01:43:55.000 Hmm.

01:43:57.000 Wow.

01:43:57.000 This is a whole nother world.

01:44:00.000 You need to tell Mikey to head into Deathmatch stream.

01:44:03.000 Oh, he's playing a game.

01:44:04.000 He can't leave it.

01:44:05.000 He's playing a competitive little...

01:44:06.000 Let's go and check out a different game.

01:44:09.000 Check out Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty.

01:44:10.000 Let's check out Grand Theft Auto. 0.85

01:44:12.000 And let's see if anybody gets virtually raped. 1.00

01:44:14.000 And when they do that virtual rape thing, you have to hack into the game, right? 0.98

01:44:18.000 I mean, I rape people all the time. 0.88

01:44:20.000 You can go into like... 0.99

01:44:23.000 No, we're talking about when you're playing a game.

01:44:24.000 In a game.

01:44:25.000 You can go...

01:44:26.000 One of my favorite things to do is go to a strip club and then block the front door and then throw in... 1.00

01:44:31.000 Flash bomb or something?

01:44:33.000 Gas. 0.96

01:44:33.000 And then gas all the strippers. 0.96

01:44:35.000 Run over each other?

01:44:36.000 Yeah, and they can't get out.

01:44:37.000 You could pretty much, like, capture girls.

01:44:41.000 That guy just went flying through the air right when we tuned in. 0.99

01:44:44.000 This is one of the most fun games to play and just fuck around with. 0.98

01:44:48.000 Greg Deft Auto? 0.98

01:44:49.000 Yeah, this is the game that me and Jamie twitch a lot together. 0.85

01:44:53.000 Because we can just hang out, spend three hours just fucking stealing cars, going through a lot.

01:44:58.000 You can go to the comedy store in this game, hang out. 0.86

01:45:01.000 And there's a new hack, because the PC version just came out, there's a new hack that lets you go inside the comedy store.

01:45:08.000 Now, when you play this, Brian, do you play this from your computer or do you use Xbox?

01:45:12.000 I use mostly Xbox, but the PC version just came out, so I have an old computer that I'm trying to use.

01:45:18.000 Jamie just got a brand new computer, so he's playing kick-ass version of Grand Theft Auto.

01:45:24.000 The PC version is amazing.

01:45:26.000 You just have to have a good computer.

01:45:28.000 To process the graphics, is that what it is?

01:45:31.000 Yeah.

01:45:31.000 Because these graphics are amazing.

01:45:33.000 The road looks incredible.

01:45:34.000 4K broadcast.

01:45:36.000 Yeah.

01:45:36.000 Wow.

01:45:37.000 I sent out another tweet.

01:45:40.000 Yeah, the PC version does 4K, so you have to have...

01:45:43.000 Even some of the top-of-line computers won't even barely get...

01:45:47.000 All the options at high right now.

01:45:49.000 Okay.

01:45:50.000 They made this game to last because a computer in two years will still have problems probably putting this on Mac.

01:45:56.000 So if you wanted to get like one of those Falcon Northwest top of the line Alienware type jammies.

01:46:01.000 That's the one you want to do.

01:46:02.000 12 video cards.

01:46:03.000 Yeah.

01:46:03.000 And that could play it in full resolution or no?

01:46:07.000 Especially Falcon or Alienware.

01:46:10.000 They're the best computers ever, Joe.

01:46:11.000 They would be perfect at this.

01:46:13.000 What are you trying to say?

01:46:14.000 Are you trying to get them to send you one?

01:46:15.000 Is that what you're doing?

01:46:15.000 Razer computers make straight ones.

01:46:17.000 What?

01:46:17.000 What's that?

01:46:18.000 Four people talk at the same time, Jamie?

01:46:20.000 What?

01:46:21.000 What are you saying?

01:46:22.000 No, I think, yeah, those would be perfect for this game.

01:46:24.000 But you have to have the number one.

01:46:26.000 What graphics card do you have, Jamie?

01:46:28.000 I have an okay one.

01:46:29.000 It's like an NVIDIA 960, but I think everyone's saying you need a 980. Do they still allow SLI, where they can link them all together?

01:46:37.000 He knows a lot more about that than I do right now.

01:46:39.000 I used to do that back in the day when I used to make my own computers.

01:46:41.000 I heard, and then you had to throw it away.

01:46:43.000 Couldn't take it. 1.00

01:46:44.000 Shot them all. 1.00

01:46:44.000 The gaming addiction. 1.00

01:46:46.000 Shot a lot of hard drives.

01:46:47.000 Well, that's a double-edged sword, right, addiction?

01:46:48.000 You go far in things because you get real immersed in it, right?

01:46:52.000 Yeah, it's just you've got to understand your limitations. 0.80

01:46:54.000 You've got to know if you're a crazy person. 0.97

01:46:55.000 I know I'm a crazy person. 0.98

01:46:58.000 But it's good.

01:46:59.000 Well, it's all because my brain developed doing competitive martial arts. 0.99

01:47:03.000 So if you don't get obsessed with that, then you get fucked up. 0.92

01:47:08.000 See, I was gonna ask you, when you first got really into like wrestling and martial arts, what else did you do at that point in your life? 0.99

01:47:13.000 Nothing.

01:47:14.000 Right?

01:47:14.000 When I was 14, from the time I was 14 till the time I was 21, there was nothing else in life.

01:47:19.000 Between 14 and 15, I forget when I first started.

01:47:22.000 So it wears on you, you know?

01:47:22.000 That's why, like, with gaming, I love it.

01:47:24.000 And I always liked it.

01:47:25.000 But, like, you start to realize, if you want to do something else, you can't just kind of half do one, half do the other.

01:47:31.000 Well, it's also, when you're doing this, you don't risk your physical health.

01:47:35.000 Yeah, well, yeah.

01:47:36.000 The martial arts thing, like a lot of guys have a real problem, like UFC fighters and even boxers.

01:47:41.000 They have a hard time figuring out what they're going to do when it's over because it's so immersive, like every day.

01:47:47.000 And it's a physically demanding thing.

01:47:49.000 So every day when they get up in the morning, they know they have to do their training.

01:47:53.000 Eat right. 0.98

01:47:54.000 Physical conditioning, they have to do their, you know, all the different skill training, whether it's wrestling or kickboxing, whatever the fuck they have to do that day. 0.78

01:48:00.000 When that day's over, they do a lot of this for relaxing.

01:48:04.000 They'll play video games to relax and chill out, or they'll watch television, but it's super hard to transition from that to some other life.

01:48:13.000 Because they have a short life where their vehicle can...

01:48:16.000 It's like, say if someone gave you a computer, okay?

01:48:18.000 And this computer can only handle the graphics that are available today, but the new graphics are coming down the line, but your computer can't handle it anymore.

01:48:26.000 And you can't upgrade.

01:48:26.000 And your hard drive only has a certain amount of years on it.

01:48:29.000 Your heart and your brain.

01:48:30.000 Yeah, you can't change your hard drive.

01:48:32.000 And you can't change your memory.

01:48:34.000 You can't change all these different aspects.

01:48:36.000 That's essentially what it's like to be an MMA fighter.

01:48:39.000 There's a very, very short window.

01:48:40.000 And that's a great analogy.

01:48:40.000 Computer to body, yeah.

01:48:41.000 Yeah, it is.

01:48:42.000 Because, like, you know, computers, if your hard drive goes bad, you get a new hard drive.

01:48:46.000 And then also, when the graphics get updated, they also update the graphics processors.

01:48:51.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:48:53.000 So for a fighter, they have this really small window of opportunity, and then when it's over, it's fucking over, man. 0.94

01:48:59.000 I mean, there are very few competitive 60-year-old fighters. 0.81

01:49:03.000 I mean, it's just, it is what it is, and when it's gone, there's nothing left, you know?

01:49:08.000 But with gamers, you gotta think that there's gotta be an age on that, too, where you can't react quick enough, especially first-person shooter-type games.

01:49:16.000 Yeah, but I think that number has been growing, because I think of someone like Team Usani in the NHL, playing in the Stanley Cup at age 40, and you tell me I can't fucking play Counter-Strike at age 30, like...

01:49:24.000 Better example, Bernard Hopkins is 50, and he's a world championship level boxer.

01:49:31.000 I don't know if he has a title right now.

01:49:32.000 That's my point.

01:49:33.000 If he can still do that and still be into it and train and do everything he needs to do, I know I can play video games, especially now that you can actually make money off of it.

01:49:42.000 He's an outlier, though.

01:49:43.000 He's a very rare individual, and he is extremely disciplined about his diet and his health and also his skill.

01:49:51.000 Sounds intense.

01:49:51.000 His skill level, he has a very defensive-oriented, like Floyd Mayweather.

01:49:57.000 Floyd Mayweather will be able to, like, he'll be like 50, 60 years old, and he's probably going to be fine.

01:50:02.000 I mean, he probably won't be fighting anymore, but he's not going to be damaged.

01:50:07.000 Yeah.

01:50:07.000 Whereas, like, Ruslan Provodnikov or someone along those lines who has, like, a very face-first, aggressive style, that guy's not going to be able to do that into his 50s.

01:50:16.000 He's not going to be able to be Bernard Hopkins unless he changes his style, like, radically.

01:50:21.000 Yeah.

01:50:21.000 See, I obviously don't comprehend all the nuances of fighting, but I just think of that like someone playing a video game and I'm sitting here.

01:50:26.000 Like, how can you tell me if I don't balance my physical health that I can't play?

01:50:29.000 Well, you gotta worry about your reflexes.

01:50:33.000 I mean, whether or not your reflexes will still maintain.

01:50:35.000 Because I gotta think with video games, you're dealing with such a small window of opportunity for like getting a shot off and stuff like that. 0.79

01:50:42.000 That reaction time, like, do you take vitamins and do you fuck around with nootropics or anything along those lines?

01:50:48.000 So there's this company, nootropics recently just came under my radar and I've been trying it for the past couple months a little bit, but not too consistently. 0.97

01:50:56.000 We'll get you some, we'll get you some alpha brain. 0.99

01:50:57.000 Yeah, it'd be awesome to try.

01:50:58.000 I'd love to do like a sample month or two or something because I take like multivitamin, vitamin D, B12 in the day.

01:51:04.000 I try to do that fish oil each day.

01:51:06.000 But nootropics, I did it, it was like a Koyos or something.

01:51:09.000 I don't know the brand exactly how to spell it, but...

01:51:12.000 Yeah, I've always been interested in it ever since I heard it on your podcast first, but I never knew what they're all about.

01:51:16.000 Well, there's a bunch of different ones from different companies that I'm sure would probably benefit you. 0.99

01:51:20.000 Do you fuck with caffeine? 1.00

01:51:22.000 Because of me, you're drinking tea here. 1.00

01:51:24.000 Yeah, I try not to overwhelm myself with coffee.

01:51:25.000 I only got into coffee a couple years ago.

01:51:27.000 Hmm.

01:51:29.000 Do you try to do that on purpose, like to preserve your sanity?

01:51:34.000 Coffee is one of those things where depending on how little sleep I got and if I'm going to compete right then, knowing I just need energy for an hour, I'll give myself a little coffee 30 minutes before, so the jitters wear down, but I have that little hour of uppity-ness.

01:51:48.000 But generally, with competition, I have two rules.

01:51:50.000 I like to get sleep, and I don't like to be on a full stomach when I compete.

01:51:54.000 Hmm.

01:51:55.000 Yeah, that's a thing for comedy, too.

01:51:56.000 You should never have a full stomach when you do stand-up. 1.00

01:51:59.000 It'll fuck with your head. 1.00

01:52:00.000 Like, if you have a full stomach, you're slow. 1.00

01:52:03.000 It takes all your blood out of your brain, doesn't it?

01:52:05.000 Resources.

01:52:06.000 Just general resources.

01:52:08.000 I don't want to go down that line here too much, but I wanted to talk to you about that.

01:52:11.000 Like, when you first had what sparked your mind on getting into comedy.

01:52:14.000 Because I was always like, I wanted to try doing stand-up at, like, the local camp.

01:52:17.000 Comedy store in La Jolla in San Diego.

01:52:19.000 I was like, I just want to do it. 0.99

01:52:20.000 Like, I don't care if I suck. 0.99

01:52:21.000 Just do it. 0.99

01:52:21.000 Then just do it. 0.99

01:52:22.000 Yeah, is that what you do?

01:52:23.000 You just literally go sign up?

01:52:24.000 Yeah, you go to an open mic night. 1.00

01:52:25.000 Everybody sucks in the beginning. 0.99

01:52:26.000 There's no worries. 0.98

01:52:28.000 It's just to come up with some stuff that you think is funny.

01:52:30.000 Write down any time you have a funny idea.

01:52:32.000 Either put it in your phone or write it down on a piece of paper.

01:52:35.000 And then, you know, practice it.

01:52:38.000 Sort of like get the idea of how you're going to do it.

01:52:42.000 Your demeanor or whatnot.

01:52:43.000 Yeah.

01:52:44.000 Well, just be yourself, man.

01:52:45.000 That's the best.

01:52:46.000 Some people, they'll create a persona or stuff like that, but good luck with all that. 1.00

01:52:50.000 That's a pain in the ass. 1.00

01:52:52.000 The secret is just being yourself. 1.00

01:52:54.000 Exfoliate like who you are and just kind of be a clown. 0.93

01:52:56.000 I know I could be really good at self-depreciation, but... 0.97

01:53:00.000 Deprecation.

01:53:02.000 Self-deprecation is that one.

01:53:03.000 Yeah, I used to say that too.

01:53:05.000 It's because you're reading it instead of saying it.

01:53:07.000 Yeah, but self-deprecation.

01:53:09.000 It sounds right because you kind of depreciate it.

01:53:11.000 Yeah, it seems like the right thing to say.

01:53:12.000 Your internal value over the course of the show.

01:53:15.000 But yeah, man, just go do an open mic night.

01:53:17.000 You're a smart guy.

01:53:18.000 You'd probably be able to pull it off.

01:53:19.000 Just try, yeah.

01:53:20.000 Well, I think...

01:53:21.000 If you could get really good at video games, I really believe that if you get really good at anything, that most likely you can get good at anything that you direct your mind to.

01:53:30.000 I mean, you probably wouldn't be a good linebacker, because you're not a giant dude, nor would I. So it's like there's certain physical limitations, but if you're a really good video game player, if you put that kind of effort into becoming a stand-up, yeah, you could do it.

01:53:43.000 There's nothing prohibitive about it.

01:53:45.000 At least try, and that's the fun part, right?

01:53:47.000 Well, you get better, you know, with effort.

01:53:50.000 With effort and thought and focus, you get better.

01:53:53.000 You analyze it.

01:53:55.000 That's an interesting point.

01:53:56.000 Do you watch demos of your game?

01:53:59.000 Do you play them?

01:54:00.000 That's exactly what we call them, demos, yeah.

01:54:01.000 And then you watch it and go, ooh, I should have done this differently, or I have to work on that.

01:54:06.000 Yeah, that's probably the most tedious part of it.

01:54:09.000 You've got to make sure you're watching from both point of views, your opponents and yours, and you rewatch them.

01:54:15.000 And you're right, that's how you get successful in anything.

01:54:17.000 With Counter-Strike, I think that was one of the differences with me as a young kid, is everyone was just playing for fun.

01:54:22.000 But when I was like 14, 15, Right away, I started studying the top players.

01:54:27.000 I said, what are they doing?

01:54:27.000 And I didn't necessarily do what they did.

01:54:29.000 It just gave me a lot of confidence to know that there's patterns in some areas, and in other areas, there's variables.

01:54:35.000 You could do whatever you want in this type of part of the game.

01:54:37.000 You could be good at this style or that style, just like in fighting, right?

01:54:40.000 There's a lot of different styles.

01:54:42.000 So I noticed that early on just by studying.

01:54:44.000 So yeah, you kind of immerse yourself and figure out what your natural...

01:54:49.000 For me, in Counter-Strike, I had really good shooting abilities.

01:54:53.000 But early on, I was so aggressive, so hungry to get into the fight early that, obviously, if I'm not communicating that with my teammates or I get over-ambitious with the play, then all of a sudden I'm going to die, even though I just killed two people.

01:55:03.000 And it seems like we should win the round, but I killed two and then went and died for no reason, whereas I can kill two.

01:55:08.000 Play passive, let someone else take their reins.

01:55:10.000 Those are things I had to develop more over the game, and you have to study that, because there's a lot of kids who think they could be a pro video game player because they just have the good shot.

01:55:17.000 Oh, I'm a really good sniper.

01:55:18.000 Well, what kind of person are you?

01:55:20.000 How do you communicate?

01:55:21.000 How do you let your teammates play off you?

01:55:22.000 How do you play off them?

01:55:23.000 Yeah, there's a big difference when you're talking about team gaming, right?

01:55:27.000 Team gaming versus one-on-one gaming.

01:55:30.000 Yeah, but even just obviously knowing what you're good and bad at, right? 0.98

01:55:32.000 So you don't just have ignorance when you go play someone who's really good at something like, well, I'm just gonna fuck him up at this. 0.59

01:55:36.000 Well, no, he's really technically good at that. 0.94

01:55:38.000 You're technically not as good as him at that.

01:55:40.000 You should probably shy away from that unless you have some way to surprise him.

01:55:44.000 Hmm.

01:55:45.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

01:55:46.000 Now, are there different schools of thought?

01:55:48.000 Like, are there different, like, do people train people in this?

01:55:52.000 Like, do you have, like, coaches?

01:55:53.000 I give lessons for 60 bucks an hour.

01:55:55.000 You give lessons!

01:55:56.000 60 bucks an hour, I'll teach you how to play.

01:55:58.000 For real?

01:55:58.000 Yeah.

01:55:59.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:56:00.000 How does that work? 1.00

01:56:01.000 What do you do?

01:56:02.000 You sit down there and watch them or you do it online?

01:56:03.000 I make them fill out a questionnaire beforehand.

01:56:05.000 I ask them to assess themselves.

01:56:07.000 They answer like 10 questions that I ask.

01:56:09.000 Their experience, how long they've played competition-wise, what they think their qualities are that are good, bad.

01:56:15.000 And then we meet up.

01:56:17.000 After they fill that out, we choose a schedule.

01:56:19.000 And then we meet up online on the headset.

01:56:21.000 I picture and picture with their screen.

01:56:23.000 And then we go on a server together.

01:56:24.000 And I just talk to them about some things you need to know just about...

01:56:29.000 Timings, if they don't have a lot of questions, some kids are shy or they just want me to lecture them.

01:56:32.000 So I go off and I say, interrupt me when you have a question.

01:56:35.000 Other kids have a lot of specific questions about why am I not able to hit these kind of shots.

01:56:39.000 I seem like I can do it in team deathmatch practice, but not when I do a competition.

01:56:44.000 I seem to get really rigid and timid.

01:56:46.000 How can I stay loose when I really want to win and there's pressure on the line?

01:56:51.000 Whether it's a psychological help or literal technical things, I just try to help people.

01:56:55.000 So what this seems to me, it's like from the outside, people are looking at this like it's some frivolous, silly thing that people who really need to grow up are involved in.

01:57:05.000 But from an objective perspective, without the cultural context of how people look at video games, it seems to me like a very complex, multi-tasked, Sort of a skill-based competition.

01:57:21.000 It's problem solving at a very high level because you're factoring a bunch of different things.

01:57:28.000 You also have social interaction with all the different people in your group.

01:57:33.000 Team or community.

01:57:34.000 Your team.

01:57:34.000 And then on top of that, you have to factor in the playing styles, the various different aggressive or defensive playing styles of the people you're going up against.

01:57:43.000 There's a lot of complexity involved that I think the average person probably wouldn't understand unless maybe they talked to someone like you.

01:57:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:57:51.000 Someone, when I said I was doing this podcast, wanted me to try to compare it to fighting and have you talk to me about the meta of fighting and the small nuances.

01:58:00.000 You could tell if a guy stepped a little weird, what does that represent?

01:58:04.000 Is his right side hurting or something like this?

01:58:06.000 In Counter-Strike, there's all these little things that I know that the outside has no idea just happened because I could see the guy's face.

01:58:11.000 Because you've been there.

01:58:12.000 Because I've been there, and I've watched it happen.

01:58:14.000 And the reason that guy's playing so aggressive right now is a front.

01:58:17.000 Like, he has no health.

01:58:18.000 He has no grenades left.

01:58:19.000 He's trying to, like, scare me away from the bomb site. 1.00

01:58:21.000 I know that's what he's doing, so I'm just going to run in and kill him, simply. 0.99

01:58:24.000 Oh, that's interesting. 0.99

01:58:25.000 So it's what they call information chunking.

01:58:28.000 You know, like you've seen it all so many times before and you know the scenario so you're like, I see what's happening here.

01:58:34.000 So the top people play off that information, right?

01:58:37.000 Like fighting, I'm sure that's what they work off of, right?

01:58:39.000 Well, yeah.

01:58:40.000 I mean, there's scenarios that you, like, sometimes people say, like, how did you predict something in a fight?

01:58:46.000 And I'm like, well, I've kind of seen it so many times before.

01:58:49.000 Like, well, there's also subtleties.

01:58:52.000 Like, from actually competing.

01:58:53.000 Like, when a guy will turn his hips, there's certain things when I know a guy's going to spin.

01:58:57.000 And I'm like, he's going to spin.

01:58:58.000 And then they'll throw a spin.

01:59:00.000 And what it is, is from fighting.

01:59:01.000 From actually fighting.

01:59:02.000 And you know his strength, so you know what he wants.

01:59:03.000 Yes.

01:59:04.000 His proclivity to do something.

01:59:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:59:06.000 Well, pretty much, there's very few guys who don't spin anymore.

01:59:10.000 Like, spinning back fists at the very least, but spinning back kicks are getting more and more prevalent.

01:59:15.000 Like, even Frankie Edgar, who's like...

01:59:17.000 Primarily known as a wrestler is throwing a lot of spinning back kicks.

01:59:21.000 It's just a really effective technique. 0.98

01:59:23.000 But the point being that it's just, I know that it's going to happen just because I've seen it so many fucking times.

01:59:29.000 It's a very subtle movement that people will make that you have to like, your brain goes into that information chunking mode and they go, oh, this slight shift of his hips equates to that. 0.97

01:59:39.000 So if you see a guy who's like behaving in a certain way, like, ah, I've fucking seen that before.

01:59:44.000 And it's not a conscious thought, right? 0.65

01:59:46.000 Just like you were saying with fighting.

01:59:47.000 It's a culmination of thoughts and things you've experienced.

01:59:50.000 Boom, it hits you.

01:59:51.000 That's what's happening.

01:59:52.000 Well, that's with chess, too.

01:59:53.000 Those guys that play chess, they say that when they're playing that speed chess, they've seen this game so many times.

01:59:57.000 They've seen those moves.

01:59:59.000 That blows me away.

02:00:00.000 When those guys have those clocks and they're slapping the clock and moving with peace.

02:00:03.000 Yeah, they're trying to play like seven, ten steps ahead because they realize, oh, that's three options, four options, one option, ten options, eleven options, three...

02:00:10.000 Have you ever seen those old-school videos of Eddie Fisher?

02:00:13.000 Or Bobby Fisher, rather?

02:00:15.000 Bobby Fisher, but I watched that movie.

02:00:16.000 Searching for Bobby Fisher?

02:00:17.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:00:17.000 I watched that movie.

02:00:18.000 Well, that was about Josh Waitzkin, who's actually a jiu-jitsu player now.

02:00:21.000 All right.

02:00:21.000 He has something to do with Marcelo Garcia.

02:00:24.000 I believe he's a black belt under Marcelo.

02:00:26.000 But Josh Waitzkin, I think that was who they were designing or patterning that movie.

02:00:34.000 I don't know how much of it was based on real life.

02:00:36.000 But...

02:00:37.000 The Bobby Fischer, the original videos, it's really fascinating because he would play like 10 games at a time and he would walk down this like conference table and just move the pieces like see if you can find Bobby Fischer playing multiple video games or multiple multiple chess games.

02:00:55.000 That was in the movie, right?

02:00:56.000 Probably.

02:00:57.000 I think there's one stage where they're in a little hall, and he's walking around playing all of them, and these guys are thinking hard about their one game with him. 0.99

02:01:02.000 And he's just kicking their ass, ten people's asses at the same time. 0.99

02:01:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:01:07.000 Yeah, well, there's just, again, it's information chunking.

02:01:10.000 He looks down, and to me, since I don't play chess, I go, well, okay, I know that a rook can move like that.

02:01:19.000 And this one can move that way, and a pawn can only do this, but he's got the whole map set up in his head.

02:01:25.000 He's seen it.

02:01:25.000 And just to circle this back around, I think that is, people do have a tough time when they look at Counter-Strike or when they look at Quake, knowing what to look for.

02:01:32.000 What are the indicators?

02:01:33.000 Like, what are the goals here?

02:01:34.000 Like, you watch football or ice hockey, you say, okay, well, they're doing a breakout.

02:01:37.000 This guy's floating deep in the neutral zone.

02:01:39.000 He's probably going to look for a pass.

02:01:40.000 Like, okay, like, that's why the defender's staying back with him.

02:01:43.000 It's much more linear.

02:01:44.000 You're on one square field when you start playing these video games in all these rooms. 0.99

02:01:47.000 Everyone's like, what the fuck is going on? 0.98

02:01:49.000 Right. 0.99

02:01:50.000 But it's still there.

02:01:51.000 Well, if you watch, like, Floyd Mayweather fight, like, one of the things that's amazing about Floyd Mayweather is how he's able to kind of dictate his opponent's movements. 0.99

02:02:00.000 And people give him shit, too, for this. 1.00

02:02:01.000 They're like, he's a pussy. 1.00

02:02:02.000 I'm like, dude, this guy... 1.00

02:02:03.000 Calling him a pussy is so ridiculous. 1.00

02:02:07.000 That is probably one of the most delusional things you could ever do is call Floyd Mayweather a pussy. 1.00

02:02:12.000 He's winning the fight. 0.99

02:02:13.000 48-0 as a professional boxer and a multiple-time world champion. 1.00

02:02:17.000 Kind of hard to call him a pussy. 0.99

02:02:19.000 You want people to take your opinion seriously? 1.00

02:02:22.000 Yeah, they get angry because they spend a hundred bucks.

02:02:24.000 Like, I want to see blood everywhere!

02:02:26.000 Yeah, they just don't understand boxing.

02:02:28.000 It's not Mike Tyson.

02:02:29.000 His movement, though, what's fascinating about it is he's able to take these guys that are normally high-volume attackers and he slows their movement and slows their volume output considerably by him dictating how they move.

02:02:43.000 He just is so much better that they don't get comfortable and they don't know exactly what to do.

02:02:48.000 Because every time they go do something, they get popped.

02:02:50.000 And so they have to recalculate.

02:02:52.000 He doesn't give them the breaks and the openings that they're accustomed to getting.

02:02:57.000 And that's all just because...

02:02:59.000 What's also his information chunking is just better than theirs because he's put in more time than they have and thought about it more because he has a really good brother, or really good father rather, who fought Sugar Ray Leonard.

02:03:12.000 His father who trained him fought Sugar Ray Leonard way back in the day, Floyd Mayweather Sr. And then his uncle is Roger Mayweather, who's a world champion as well.

02:03:21.000 And he's got other people in his family that were really good boxers as well.

02:03:24.000 So this kid was indoctrinated into boxing.

02:03:26.000 Intuitively just connected to it.

02:03:27.000 So his mind is like, he's got all these, and I'm sure he's a student of the game, so he's probably watched a million fights, and he knows what goes wrong when you do this, and what goes wrong.

02:03:35.000 People just try to bring him down for other things not related to it all the time.

02:03:38.000 Well, the other things are valid.

02:03:40.000 Well, yeah. 1.00

02:03:41.000 Seems like a piece of shit as a human being. 1.00

02:03:43.000 Yeah, I'm just saying, that's what they immediately go to, which is like, okay, well, we're watching a fight, like, he's fighting. 1.00

02:03:48.000 Right.

02:03:49.000 You can talk about his, like, reading proclivity or whatever they're talking about.

02:03:52.000 Yeah.

02:03:52.000 When people bring that up, it is kind of embarrassing, but he's here to fight.

02:03:56.000 Yeah.

02:03:56.000 I know.

02:03:57.000 It is kind of weird that he can't read.

02:04:00.000 That's a lot of money.

02:04:01.000 That's an unbalanced thing.

02:04:03.000 If you spend that much time boxing and slapping chicks, you don't have much time for reading.

02:04:09.000 And counting those bills.

02:04:10.000 I wonder if he can count the money he has.

02:04:12.000 That's a lot of money.

02:04:13.000 He probably can count, but can't write.

02:04:15.000 I think he can read.

02:04:16.000 It's just a struggle.

02:04:18.000 He's just not very good at it.

02:04:19.000 But isn't it crazy?

02:04:19.000 We're talking about all this intuitive genius he has, and he can't transfer it over.

02:04:25.000 Well, it's probably amount of effort.

02:04:27.000 How much effort has he put into reading?

02:04:29.000 Probably very little.

02:04:30.000 How old was he when he went pro?

02:04:32.000 I don't know.

02:04:33.000 I believe he was 19. He was in the Olympics, and he lost a very controversial decision to a guy who's in destitute poverty now.

02:04:43.000 It's really interesting.

02:04:44.000 They had an article about the last guy to beat Floyd Mayweather.

02:04:48.000 I forget what publication had it, but this guy from some country, Eastern Bloc country, I think it was.

02:04:55.000 It might have been Russia or something like that.

02:04:58.000 Bulgaria?

02:04:58.000 I don't know.

02:04:59.000 I'm making shit up. 0.99

02:05:00.000 China? 1.00

02:05:01.000 Let's hedge my bets.

02:05:03.000 But this guy was a really good boxer and apparently got a gift decision over Floyd Mayweather and then went on to get involved in a bunch of Shady characters and, you know, his career fell apart.

02:05:18.000 But that was the last time anybody beat Floyd Mayweather.

02:05:21.000 And that was, again, like when Floyd was 19. He's 38 now.

02:05:26.000 Epic.

02:05:27.000 Yeah.

02:05:27.000 Long-ass time ago.

02:05:28.000 Good for him. 0.93

02:05:30.000 Yeah, I mean, look, there's lessons to be learned even in the shittiest human beings.

02:05:35.000 You can look at what they're successful at.

02:05:37.000 And even in the shittiest human beings, there's lessons also learning what's the price of success and whether or not you're willing to pay that price.

02:05:44.000 Because oftentimes the price is foolishness.

02:05:46.000 Like, if you have to become a bad person to be really great at something, what are the benefits of being great other than financial success?

02:05:55.000 Yeah, scoring, getting those points, you know, accumulating wealth.

02:06:00.000 Is that more important than the way you're treated by your peers, your community, your friends and family?

02:06:07.000 You had a black belt I remember reading, like 15 or something?

02:06:10.000 I think I was 16. I started training in karate when I was 14. Got super serious about Taekwondo when I was 15. Before I was 17, I was a black belt.

02:06:20.000 So, I mean, it sounds like you obviously made a big sacrifice early on.

02:06:23.000 You've been doing that your whole life, right?

02:06:24.000 You've been diving into things.

02:06:26.000 I didn't have anything else.

02:06:27.000 What's to say most of your friends are probably in that realm, right?

02:06:30.000 Well, not now.

02:06:32.000 A lot of them are comedians, but at the time, yeah, it was my whole world.

02:06:34.000 But I didn't have anything else.

02:06:36.000 I was socially retarded.

02:06:38.000 I didn't have anything going on.

02:06:40.000 I wasn't academically inclined.

02:06:42.000 I didn't like school.

02:06:43.000 I just moved into a new neighborhood when I was 14. I felt ostracized.

02:06:47.000 I didn't feel like I didn't have any friends.

02:06:49.000 Boston?

02:06:50.000 Yeah, well I was in Newton so where I was it was a suburb of Boston So it was like you could say like I sacrificed But it wasn't like I had all these friends that I couldn't hang out with and I had like this Family that was missing me.

02:07:01.000 No, I was like, you know, my parents were I was a latchkey kid So my parents were working all day and you know, I would I just didn't I didn't have anything else So I found this one thing that I felt like could give me some value I could have some I felt like I had some personal worth From this,

02:07:20.000 from getting good at something.

02:07:21.000 And then once I got good at it, it was like, wow, this is the first thing that I've ever done that gives me, like, a good feeling by being good at.

02:07:28.000 Whereas, like, my life before that was kind of depressing.

02:07:31.000 It was like going from one community to another, constantly moving, no friends, being bullied.

02:07:37.000 I hated all of that.

02:07:38.000 And then the being bullied part is what led me into martial arts.

02:07:41.000 And it's very minor bullying.

02:07:43.000 Like, nobody really hurt me.

02:07:44.000 But it's more psychological than anything.

02:07:46.000 I was nervous all the time, being scared of people.

02:07:48.000 And I wasn't a big guy.

02:07:50.000 I was little.

02:07:50.000 So there was so many different things about it that made martial arts appealing.

02:07:55.000 But then the big thing was once I started doing it, it just became my whole life.

02:07:59.000 It became everything.

02:08:00.000 And then that's when I realized...

02:08:02.000 I'm kind of a crazy person you know and all I have to do is like find things and then those things become my whole life and the problem with me was that that from the time I was 15 till I was 21 that was sort of my developmental period of becoming an adult so that is how my brain formed and it's like really Laser beam focused, 0.75

02:08:22.000 kind of insane way where I don't give a fuck about anything else. 0.89

02:08:26.000 And that's what my problem was with video games. 0.98

02:08:29.000 Because once I started playing video games, somebody would be talking to me.

02:08:32.000 If I didn't like what they were saying, if I was bored, I would just start playing video games in my head.

02:08:35.000 I'd be like, I could be playing video games right now.

02:08:37.000 I could be playing quick. 0.99

02:08:38.000 I could be fucking hitting some of the railgun right now. 0.99

02:08:40.000 Totally. 0.99

02:08:40.000 It's a double-edged sword, yeah. 0.99

02:08:41.000 Yeah.

02:08:42.000 It's like oftentimes people that are really, really good at something are super unbalanced.

02:08:47.000 I was going to say, I could resonate with different things you're saying.

02:08:49.000 Well, that's why I see with you, I appreciate the fact that you have put a lot of thought into like doing things, going outside, playing hockey, getting a real life on top of this video game thing because obviously if you're really good at this game, which obviously you are really good at it,

02:09:05.000 you must have a sort of obsessive mind.

02:09:08.000 There's no way there's no like I have a quote that I use all the time that I came up with a long time ago is that greatness and Insanity are next-door neighbors and they bar each other sugar Because it really is true you the greatness and madness are so closely related There's almost no way around it because you have to in order to achieve A super high level of something.

02:09:32.000 You have to be able to do it better than the other people.

02:09:36.000 You have to have more of an understanding of it. 0.99

02:09:39.000 And the only way to do that is you have to not pay attention to other shit. 0.97

02:09:43.000 You know, you can't be learning five different languages and also pursuing a degree in complex mathematics and also doing this and also learning how to play guitar. 0.99

02:09:52.000 And also having a girlfriend who demands all your time.

02:09:55.000 Where are you going?

02:09:56.000 What are you doing?

02:09:56.000 What about me?

02:09:57.000 What about us?

02:09:58.000 Where are we going?

02:09:58.000 Where's this heading?

02:09:59.000 I'm not sure if you're committed.

02:10:00.000 I haven't really thought about that lately. 0.92

02:10:02.000 I just kicked someone in the face and I'm a double black bone. 0.98

02:10:06.000 Broads. 0.99

02:10:07.000 They want it all.

02:10:08.000 They want you all the time.

02:10:09.000 Where are you?

02:10:10.000 What about our career?

02:10:12.000 As a gamer, that's the best excuse.

02:10:13.000 Sorry, I gotta play a video game for a bit, like, legit.

02:10:16.000 Chicks probably don't really get excited about dating a super high-level gamer. 1.00

02:10:20.000 No, no, I don't have too many groupies abroad, or here, but abroad.

02:10:24.000 Occasionally, there's, like, girls who it's, like, they have more, like, of a respect right away.

02:10:29.000 You can tell they're trying to put their best foot forward when they meet you.

02:10:32.000 Because they're gamers themselves?

02:10:33.000 Yeah, here are girls when they meet you and their friend is like, hey, by the way, this guy's really good at video games.

02:10:39.000 They want to kind of have their wall up right away like, who's this kid?

02:10:42.000 Like, oh, he's really good at something.

02:10:43.000 That's fun.

02:10:44.000 That's cute.

02:10:44.000 You have a lot of followers here.

02:10:45.000 And I'm just like, sweet bitch, fuck you! 1.00

02:10:48.000 Wow, how rude. 1.00

02:10:49.000 Are there video game groupies, though?

02:10:53.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:10:54.000 There are?

02:10:55.000 Wow.

02:10:56.000 Because there's pool groupies. 0.66

02:10:57.000 I used to play pool all the time.

02:10:59.000 The guys who were really good, they would have girls that would want to bang them. 0.96

02:11:03.000 Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and say we have gamer orgies everywhere, but there are girls who just... 1.00

02:11:07.000 They either linger or they come to events or they try to interact with you in weird ways online so that when they do show up at the event, you pay attention to them versus the other.

02:11:16.000 It's like weird interactions.

02:11:18.000 It's pretty funny.

02:11:19.000 Yeah, that's that weird...

02:11:20.000 They're putting out little seeds, little flirtation seeds to try to get attention when they see you in a physical form.

02:11:25.000 And then that's the best excuse of being a gamer because you're playing a video game.

02:11:28.000 You can be like, no, no, no, honey, I'm practicing. 0.99

02:11:30.000 Really, you're actually not doing shit. 0.96

02:11:31.000 You're just on the computer. 0.96

02:11:35.000 Practicing.

02:11:35.000 So, yeah, team practice.

02:11:36.000 Immerse yourself, baby, as you said.

02:11:38.000 Don't get anywhere without it.

02:11:40.000 It is interesting.

02:11:41.000 There's a difference in men and women when it comes to what's attractive to them.

02:11:45.000 Because with a man, it's not attractive that a girl's really good at games. 1.00

02:11:48.000 I mean, it might be on top of that.

02:11:50.000 Watching girls play Counter-Strike to me, I'm always just like, I have to look away. 0.84

02:11:56.000 There's few that are pretty good, but normally it just immediately turned off.

02:12:00.000 Well, that's the same with stand-up comedy. 0.99

02:12:02.000 One of the biggest turn-offs ever is if you like a girl and she's a comic and then she's fucking terrible. 0.97

02:12:09.000 You're like, oh, it's over. 0.95

02:12:10.000 Gotta get out of here.

02:12:11.000 Nice to meet you.

02:12:12.000 Yeah, if you're dating a girl and she's a comic and she's bad at it, you might as well be dating a dude.

02:12:19.000 You know, I mean it's like it's such a turn-off.

02:12:21.000 She knows she's gonna try to talk like a dude. 1.00

02:12:22.000 Unless you're gay and then dating a dude is what you're looking for, but you get my point. 0.94

02:12:26.000 If you're dating a girl who sucks at something that you're really good at, it for whatever reason just immediately kills any attractive quality that she might have. 1.00

02:12:36.000 What if she just like whipped my ass at golf or something? 1.00

02:12:39.000 I still feel like I just... 1.00

02:12:40.000 Some guys are fine.

02:12:42.000 Like, pool is a big one for men.

02:12:43.000 They find it demoralizing.

02:12:45.000 Like, they get very intimidated by a woman that's better than them.

02:12:48.000 Like, some guys, even at professional levels, will play, like, a really good woman, a high-level professional woman, and fall apart because they're nervous to play a woman.

02:12:57.000 They don't want to lose to a woman. 1.00

02:12:59.000 I could say from the past, I've played the best Counter-Strike girl teams in the world for events because they don't go to all the same ones, but they have separate events. 0.95

02:13:07.000 When you play them, it does feel like a lose-lose.

02:13:09.000 You're just like, alright, I'm going to either crush them or barely beat them, or if I lose, then it's even worse.

02:13:14.000 Even if I win, I'm expected to crush them.

02:13:16.000 So you play them and you're just like, I've lost a couple rounds before I won any versus a girl. 1.00

02:13:20.000 I'm like, fuck. 0.99

02:13:21.000 And if you lose to them, and then you have to talk to them, are you intimidated? 1.00

02:13:25.000 Do you feel insecure?

02:13:27.000 I mean, at this point in my career, I know all the best girls, so they're kind of my friends in the game.

02:13:30.000 Right.

02:13:31.000 But, yeah, I'm sure at certain points for the guys coming up, they want to be pro-male player, and they play a girls team and lose, they're probably like, I'm going to walk out of the room quietly. 0.98

02:13:39.000 Yeah, I remember watching pool tournaments and like say like a Jeanette Lee or someone like that would enter the tournament and someone who would play like really good would fall apart in front of her because they just couldn't deal with the possibility of losing to this like Really pretty girl like they just they wanted to impress her and they would miss nine balls and just like shit Yeah, 0.92

02:13:58.000 the perception men's bigger stronger faster Well, it's not even just that, it's like men have to win. 0.57

02:14:04.000 You know, they have this I have to win thing.

02:14:07.000 And if you don't win, your self-worth, like, you devalue who you are.

02:14:12.000 I've heard you talk about that stuff in the past, the caveman mindset, right?

02:14:15.000 Back in the day, you just dominate your cave, you hunt, you gather, like, you...

02:14:20.000 Well, that's the reason why...

02:14:21.000 I mean, there's competition over breeding.

02:14:23.000 I mean, that's really what...

02:14:24.000 I mean, the competition over breeding is, you know, hunter-gatherer competition, and then it's like fighting off neighboring tribes that are trying to come in and take them.

02:14:33.000 It's all like... 1.00

02:14:34.000 It's the reason why men are such assholes. 1.00

02:14:36.000 It's benefited the genes. 1.00

02:14:38.000 I mean, that's really what it is.

02:14:40.000 I mean, obviously we're moving past that, because, you know, as a...

02:14:43.000 Technology and society and culture evolves and changes and grows and becomes more and more complex.

02:14:49.000 That stuff becomes less and less necessary.

02:14:51.000 But the genetics and the proclivity, the inclination rather, is always still there.

02:14:58.000 The competition. 0.99

02:14:59.000 So when men lose to women, especially in games like pool, it fucking drives them crazy. 0.99

02:15:05.000 Because they can't just overwhelm them with strength or anything. 0.99

02:15:07.000 Yeah.

02:15:08.000 Ping pong.

02:15:08.000 Some chick whacks that ball by you and ping pong.

02:15:10.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:15:11.000 Fuckity fuck! 1.00

02:15:14.000 Damn, yeah. 1.00

02:15:15.000 Ping pong's intense. 1.00

02:15:16.000 Ping pong's very intense.

02:15:18.000 I'm not interested in it whatsoever.

02:15:21.000 You know Aubrey.

02:15:21.000 Aubrey plays ping-pong really good.

02:15:23.000 He's like, let's play ping-pong. 1.00

02:15:24.000 I'm like, let's go fuck yourself. 1.00

02:15:25.000 Stupid fucking game. 1.00

02:15:26.000 You ever been to those bars, though, that have all sorts of games in them? 1.00

02:15:29.000 Like, they have like shuffleboard, pool, ping-pong.

02:15:31.000 Foosball.

02:15:31.000 Drives me nuts.

02:15:32.000 That's so stupid. 1.00

02:15:34.000 When you're drunk. 1.00

02:15:36.000 Yeah, but it's just, you don't have enough control over that stupid fucking, those shifters. 1.00

02:15:41.000 They don't have enough movement. 1.00

02:15:42.000 You know, it's like...

02:15:43.000 Oh yeah, pissing me off.

02:15:44.000 The ball's going through the middle. 1.00

02:15:45.000 Fuck, I'm gonna grab that shit and throw it out. 1.00

02:15:47.000 You can't even get to it sometimes. 1.00

02:15:49.000 It's like, you can't, it's, you don't have, like, one of the things that I hate about when you play video games like an Xbox controller was how, like, it doesn't, it's not nearly as precise.

02:16:01.000 You get used to that WASD on the keyboard and the mouse and, you know, it becomes a part of who you are. 0.97

02:16:07.000 I have so many stories where, like, I go to, like, a house or a party or something, and everyone's like, that's fucking Pro Gamer Kid!

02:16:12.000 And then everyone's like, play me at FIFA right now, or play me in this game on Xbox. 0.99

02:16:15.000 I'm like, I don't fucking play those games. 0.93

02:16:16.000 Like, I don't care to be good at them. 0.99

02:16:17.000 And they're like, oh, so I can beat you.

02:16:18.000 I'm looking better than the Pro Gamer Kid!

02:16:20.000 And I'm like, alright, cool, dude. 0.99

02:16:22.000 You're really sick.

02:16:23.000 That is an issue though, right?

02:16:25.000 What's that?

02:16:26.000 Switching from a mouse and a keyboard to those Xbox controllers.

02:16:29.000 I could probably, in Counter-Strike, if you were to pick up all my friends, I could play one-on-ten against kids probably playing with an Xbox controller.

02:16:38.000 One-on-ten?

02:16:39.000 One-on-five.

02:16:39.000 I did something for Microsoft a long time ago where they wanted to actually see if the synergy was good to let Xbox kids play me online.

02:16:46.000 And I played these kids one-on-four and I didn't even need sound.

02:16:48.000 I was just running around killing everyone.

02:16:51.000 Because they're so limited with their range of motion that it's not just me.

02:16:56.000 A lot of my friends could do this at a pro level.

02:16:58.000 I'm not just some god, but it's just the difference between...

02:17:01.000 Isn't that something that they also put into the game engine to make it easier to aim with those things, like auto-aiming?

02:17:08.000 That fucks up the precision, right?

02:17:10.000 Yeah, and then everyone has these things that are extenders for the joystick, so it's like longer, so you have an easier time manipulating the joystick.

02:17:17.000 So you know the little thumb pads?

02:17:18.000 Basically makes them twice as long, and that gives you more control, I guess they're called.

02:17:22.000 Yeah.

02:17:23.000 How much more control?

02:17:24.000 Is it more like a mouse, or is it not quite?

02:17:27.000 It just makes it a little bit better.

02:17:28.000 A little bit better.

02:17:29.000 Yeah, more control.

02:17:29.000 All like the Call of Duty and Halo Pros, that first-person shooter pros use them on console.

02:17:33.000 But none of them are...

02:17:34.000 Yeah.

02:17:35.000 That's the thing that sticks up above it.

02:17:37.000 Oh, I see.

02:17:38.000 A ten-year-old uses that.

02:17:39.000 Hmm.

02:17:40.000 So it just makes it slightly better, but still not as good as mouse and keyboard. 0.99

02:17:43.000 Why don't they have mouse and keyboard for these fucking things? 0.99

02:17:46.000 They do. 1.00

02:17:47.000 They have shitty adapters. 0.73

02:17:47.000 Yeah, but nobody plays them. 0.73

02:17:49.000 No, you can use Bluetooth.

02:17:50.000 Nowadays, you can use Bluetooth keyboards, right?

02:17:53.000 There's a bunch of input lag when you use them, but they do make them.

02:17:57.000 Yeah, that's what I had heard.

02:17:59.000 There was a lag between...

02:18:00.000 But they're not allowed in tournaments.

02:18:01.000 They're not.

02:18:02.000 You have to use those things.

02:18:02.000 Yeah, like I couldn't show up and just wax like a Call of Duty tournament.

02:18:05.000 But if I was able to plug in my mouse and keyboard, I could probably. 1.00

02:18:07.000 But that doesn't make any sense to me that they would even have those fucking stupid things. 1.00

02:18:11.000 Why not just have mouse and keyboards? 1.00

02:18:13.000 That's the best input.

02:18:14.000 We always joke that like PC players are the master race because, you know, we always...

02:18:17.000 We always say that.

02:18:18.000 That's like a joke between the communities.

02:18:20.000 We're like, let the casual guys play on their Xbox and PlayStation.

02:18:22.000 And that's what it is.

02:18:23.000 It's just casual gamers. 0.80

02:18:24.000 I'd rather lay back on my couch and play a game of Grand Theft Auto than have my keyboard and mouse and sit there and try to twitch and kill people.

02:18:32.000 Yeah, that's what's cool about the keyboard or the controller.

02:18:35.000 I used to have a thing called...

02:18:38.000 What was it called? 0.99

02:18:39.000 I don't remember what the fucking name was. 0.99

02:18:41.000 But it had a trackball and a handle. 0.99

02:18:44.000 Yep.

02:18:45.000 But a joystick and you would move it around you would shoot with the trigger was kind of cool because you could actually shoot with a trigger And you would aim with the trackball and the trackball was pretty cool Yeah, but not quite as good as a mouse and keyboard It was like a step below like the really good guys can still fuck you up with it But then once I switched over to a mouse and keyboard Then all of a sudden I was moving with my left hand and shooting and aiming with my right as opposed to shooting with my right and moving and aiming with my left That'd be a mindfuck for me. 0.98

02:19:13.000 I know people use that for, like, Photoshop, I think.

02:19:15.000 Trackballs?

02:19:16.000 Yeah.

02:19:16.000 Yeah, they have, like, they just move it around.

02:19:17.000 But a trackball's not nearly as precise as the mouse.

02:19:20.000 Probably not nowadays.

02:19:21.000 Seems like it would.

02:19:22.000 It's weird, because, like, games are really the proving ground for, like, precision.

02:19:27.000 Because it's so critical.

02:19:29.000 Well, that's what's funny when these new, these peripheral companies like Logitech or, yeah, Logitech is one of my sponsors, when they make a new mouse, they've recently, in the past couple years, they have the technology to make amazing stuff, but they always add, like, little, like, ridges or something on the mouse that, as pro gamers, like,

02:19:44.000 Like, to grip the mouse weird and the sensor, they add these specs that, like, don't really apply to our range of motion.

02:19:50.000 They put, like, a million DPI. You could track, well, I'm not going to swipe my arm across the room.

02:19:54.000 Like, I have a certain range of motion and, yeah, I don't know.

02:19:58.000 The controllers essentially need, um, I kind of lost my train of thought there, but...

02:20:02.000 Well, they had those Razer mice. 0.98

02:20:04.000 Well, exactly, yeah, Razer.

02:20:05.000 Back when I was playing, they were still a ball mouse.

02:20:08.000 It was still a ball back then.

02:20:10.000 I know they're laser now, right?

02:20:11.000 Yeah, of course.

02:20:12.000 But they had a weird shape that they had created that some people liked and other people hated.

02:20:16.000 I could never kind of get used to it.

02:20:18.000 It was way weirder than that back in the day.

02:20:22.000 The original Razer mouse, those are Logitech.

02:20:26.000 That's a Microsoft right there.

02:20:28.000 See, there's that little keypad on the top left.

02:20:30.000 That's weird.

02:20:31.000 Yeah, but none of these are the thing that I was talking about. 0.98

02:20:36.000 But this is new shit that they're doing. 0.96

02:20:39.000 What's that one that split keyboard down a little lower, Jamie? 0.99

02:20:42.000 Right there. 0.99

02:20:43.000 What the fuck is that thing? 0.99

02:20:45.000 So since you know a lot of people do WSD, so you got your left hand, and then I guess that's the right-handed version. 0.99

02:20:50.000 This is just an idea.

02:20:51.000 This is a concept.

02:20:53.000 But I've played on something like that, just for one, my left hand only.

02:20:57.000 It's just the WASD. What's your favorite mouse?

02:21:01.000 I use a Logitech G100S. It's ambidextrous, so it's very simple.

02:21:08.000 Look at this trackball.

02:21:11.000 You'll find a lot of the pro gamers, they don't need any more than three to five buttons on their mouse.

02:21:16.000 The World of Warcraft people are casual gamers.

02:21:17.000 They have all these millions of buttons and lights and switches.

02:21:20.000 And that's kind of fun because you have all these macro binds for the spells.

02:21:23.000 But for our game, we just like something you can grip.

02:21:25.000 It's not overwhelming in your hand or has a weird center of gravity or has all these lights.

02:21:29.000 We just need to grip it well and have good tracking.

02:21:32.000 It's pretty simple. 0.99

02:21:33.000 Now, if a new game came out, like say, you know, there's Call of Duty and all these different games, and a new game came out, it became the shit. 0.96

02:21:41.000 And you started to see that trend where everybody was slowly drifting off to that game. 0.96

02:21:45.000 What do you do? 0.99

02:21:46.000 Do you decide, okay, I've got to fucking pick this game up. 0.92

02:21:49.000 And if you do, are you starting from scratch or are you starting from like halfway? 0.97

02:21:54.000 I guess it depends how new the game is.

02:21:56.000 Like, current Call of Duty, if it was on PC, I'd be above average.

02:21:59.000 I would probably be a decent competitive player.

02:22:01.000 You have to learn all the maps, and then the metagame is gone, obviously, because there's no information chunks that exist at this point, because it's a new sport.

02:22:07.000 It's literally a new sport now.

02:22:11.000 I don't know.

02:22:12.000 It depends.

02:22:12.000 If the game has so much support, how viable is it as a job?

02:22:15.000 What do I need to do to make money?

02:22:17.000 Do I need to win every tournament?

02:22:18.000 Do I need to just be a top 100 competitor?

02:22:20.000 Would you dip your toes in? 0.95

02:22:22.000 Would you start fucking with it occasionally and then say, I've got to figure out what to do here? 0.99

02:22:26.000 How do you know where the tide's going? 0.96

02:22:29.000 Yeah, you don't always, but you can kind of tell based off player numbers, right?

02:22:32.000 Counter-Strike GO, the game I play, has kind of had an exponential growth the past year and a half.

02:22:38.000 Still? 0.89

02:22:39.000 Yeah, recently it got a reinsurgence because they took the model of League of Legends where you can customize all the shit in the game.

02:22:45.000 Counter-Strike got a little bland for people because it was the same thing always, but now they've made it so you can customize the way your gun looks and all these little gimmicky things that are pretty cool, but they don't really change the game.

02:22:54.000 And that brought in new players, new money, which makes the game developer pour more money into it, keep updating the nuances.

02:22:59.000 Maybe there's a glitch.

02:23:00.000 In the old game, they would never fix it because that's it.

02:23:02.000 They're not going to release a new version.

02:23:03.000 When the next one comes out, have fun.

02:23:05.000 Well, with Counter-Strike, they constantly update it and upgrade it.

02:23:08.000 So you could tell how popular the game is by just how the community vibe is, how many tournaments are happening, whatnot.

02:23:15.000 Like Dota League of Legends, they have tournaments all the time.

02:23:17.000 Counter-Strike, we have tournaments all the time.

02:23:19.000 Quake, they have QuakeCon now.

02:23:21.000 They don't really have any more tournaments.

02:23:22.000 It just kind of slowly died down.

02:23:24.000 Maybe lack of interest.

02:23:26.000 Back then they didn't have the same model, the game developers that is, to make money.

02:23:29.000 They would just release a game, they make money, they're done.

02:23:32.000 And Quake, the players don't really have an opportunity to make money.

02:23:35.000 Not at this point.

02:23:36.000 Unless they're doing this Twitch thing.

02:23:37.000 They'd have to do this Twitch thing.

02:23:38.000 Yeah, so a couple of them, like, I know the top Quake players, and if they had Twitch now and the game was still big, they would all be in a similar boat as I am, but unfortunately...

02:23:46.000 The game kind of plateaued, and the bubble popped before Twitch got big, and there's no tournaments.

02:23:51.000 They just don't have anywhere to compete.

02:23:53.000 Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.

02:23:54.000 How do you avoid being one of those guys?

02:23:56.000 It seems to me that...

02:23:57.000 It's kind of volatile.

02:23:58.000 You don't really know.

02:23:59.000 Especially if you're a StarCraft player, those guys play StarCraft.

02:24:02.000 There's not many other shooter games, or StarCraft-style games you can go play.

02:24:06.000 Right. 1.00

02:24:07.000 Yeah, if StarCraft goes away, you're fucked. 1.00

02:24:09.000 MOBA has the most options. 0.99

02:24:10.000 So MOBA is the multiplayer online battle arena.

02:24:12.000 That's Dota, League of Legends, and Heroes of New Earth.

02:24:14.000 They're basically almost the same game.

02:24:16.000 Really?

02:24:18.000 Literally one guy created Dota through the Warcraft 3 brand a long time ago, and it had like one map, and that's it.

02:24:24.000 There's like three lanes and whatnot.

02:24:26.000 And all these other games, since there was like, this guy independently made the map, I think it was, Mad Frog, Ice Frog or something, I forget his name, and basically League of Legends, Dota, and Heroes of New Earth, three different game developers, they're almost the same concept game,

02:24:43.000 everything, so slightly different heroes and champions and spells, but basically they normally say, like, people who can't go pro in Dota go pro in League of Legends, people who can't go pro in League of Legends go pro in Heroes of New Earth.

02:24:55.000 So it's like this succession of almost the same game, but just like more and more money and more and more tournaments. 0.91

02:25:00.000 If you put me in a time machine from back when I was playing Quake, and then like in the 90s, and then jumped me here today, I'd be like, what in the actual fuck is going on? 0.97

02:25:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:25:11.000 I want to see this League of Legends shit. 0.99

02:25:14.000 Show me some video game streaming. 0.99

02:25:16.000 No?

02:25:17.000 Nope.

02:25:17.000 I just want to see what they're doing.

02:25:19.000 It looks like an iPad game.

02:25:20.000 Yeah?

02:25:21.000 Yeah.

02:25:21.000 But how's it so popular?

02:25:22.000 It's super casual friendly.

02:25:24.000 This is it here?

02:25:25.000 So, it caters a lot.

02:25:29.000 There's a shit ton of girls and kids and...

02:25:31.000 Scott Jorgensen just sent me a text message.

02:25:33.000 Thanks for the Twitch shout-out, homie. 1.00

02:25:35.000 Because he's got a giant Twitch...

02:25:37.000 So this is the game?

02:25:39.000 Yeah.

02:25:40.000 So this is League of Legends. 1.00

02:25:41.000 Oh, this is dumb shit. 1.00

02:25:42.000 I honestly don't even play the game, so I couldn't tell you what the fuck is going on. 1.00

02:25:45.000 I know vaguely what's going on. 0.95

02:25:47.000 It's what?

02:25:48.000 It's free to play.

02:25:49.000 So that was one of the first games that made their money model, not off selling the game, but off all the things you could buy in the game.

02:25:55.000 Microtransactions.

02:25:56.000 What do you think about microtransactions?

02:25:57.000 I guess I didn't use the right term, but that's what I was talking about earlier.

02:26:00.000 That's what CSGO has now, microtransactions.

02:26:02.000 Those are really problematic for people on phones.

02:26:05.000 That's why Quake was never as big, though, because if they had this model of microtransactions, you could change the way your laser gun works or your rocket gun. 0.99

02:26:12.000 That seems like a fuck. 0.97

02:26:13.000 That would have been like... 0.99

02:26:14.000 I mean, even though it might be a dollar, two dollar transaction, if 300,000 kids are doing it a week, you're gonna see some return. 0.99

02:26:20.000 It seems like they're fucking you, though. 0.97

02:26:23.000 Like, I don't like that. 1.00

02:26:24.000 So they're like, they have a champion they choose, right?

02:26:26.000 And they run around and there's these little, like, minions.

02:26:29.000 I honestly don't really even understand the game too much.

02:26:31.000 So that guy with the green health bar next to him, he's the main one.

02:26:34.000 That's his crew mobbing behind him that... 0.99

02:26:36.000 Yeah, it sucks. 0.96

02:26:37.000 So these are superheroes, I guess? 0.98

02:26:40.000 Is that what this is?

02:26:41.000 Not necessarily superheroes, but heroes meaning they're just like, they're super strong.

02:26:44.000 Those are, you choose, because they have different skill sets, right?

02:26:47.000 One might be more, have more defense.

02:26:48.000 They call him like a tank.

02:26:49.000 He's really strong with his defense.

02:26:51.000 Some are better at attacking.

02:26:53.000 Maybe they attack better close range.

02:26:54.000 Maybe they attack better long range.

02:26:56.000 So it's five versus five normally.

02:26:59.000 So the pro teams go, they're strategizing, hey, do we need, I don't know, I honestly don't know, but they need like, you know, close range attackers to tank this guy, that guy.

02:27:08.000 Do you play a lot of Destiny?

02:27:10.000 No, I would play it if it was on PC, but honestly, first-person shooters, I can't spend my free time playing them anymore unless I'm going to casually play it on a screen game.

02:27:18.000 This is ugly to look at, though.

02:27:19.000 It looks badass, though.

02:27:20.000 Yeah, it seems like a game that you would like.

02:27:22.000 You're talking about this looks badass?

02:27:24.000 No, Destiny, the shooter game.

02:27:26.000 Okay, the other game.

02:27:26.000 This does not look good.

02:27:27.000 I've just never connected to it, you know? 1.00

02:27:29.000 That's stupid. 0.99

02:27:29.000 Counter-Strike and Quake, you see it, you feel it, you ebb and flow. 0.99

02:27:33.000 Their strategy is very intuitive.

02:27:34.000 Yeah, go to a Counter-Strike one.

02:27:36.000 Let's just for...

02:27:37.000 So let's see a good person.

02:27:40.000 Scroll down.

02:27:42.000 So...

02:27:42.000 There's not really any pros playing right now.

02:27:44.000 You can go to the top, though.

02:27:45.000 Actually, scroll down.

02:27:46.000 I saw a name Robin Official.

02:27:48.000 One more down.

02:27:49.000 Right in the middle right there.

02:27:50.000 Click that guy.

02:27:50.000 He's an old Swedish pro.

02:27:52.000 Okay.

02:27:52.000 He hasn't been playing in a while.

02:27:54.000 So...

02:27:55.000 This...

02:27:56.000 See, this is so much more interesting to me.

02:27:58.000 So he's running out of spawn right now.

02:28:00.000 This is a gun round.

02:28:00.000 He's got an AK-47.

02:28:02.000 So...

02:28:04.000 But this is like, you're watching the map, it's three dimensional.

02:28:07.000 So he's gonna see a guy on the left here, most likely.

02:28:09.000 I just couldn't imagine why other games don't do it just like this.

02:28:12.000 Like this, he just got jacked.

02:28:13.000 So now his teammate traded the kill, so it's good, and then they got another kill, so they're an advantage right now.

02:28:17.000 Four versus three, now it's a three versus three.

02:28:19.000 Yeah, that's nice.

02:28:20.000 What I'm talking...

02:28:21.000 Yeah, exactly, right? 0.99

02:28:22.000 Nobody knows the fuck you're talking about. 0.99

02:28:22.000 No, no, no, I'm just pointing at it, right? 0.99

02:28:23.000 The kill, so like...

02:28:25.000 But this is so much more fun to look at.

02:28:28.000 Oh, yeah.

02:28:28.000 Like, if you're playing it, too, it's like it's so much more immersive.

02:28:31.000 Like, you feel like this is going on.

02:28:33.000 When you're looking down, and everyone has, like, a bar with a health bar above their head, and you're throwing spells, and you're looking down, and it's just so bizarre looking.

02:28:42.000 Yeah.

02:28:42.000 And as I said earlier in League of Legends, when someone's getting outskilled or they're winning a round, it's normally pretty drawn out.

02:28:48.000 5, 10, 15, 20 minutes.

02:28:50.000 What's cool about Counter-Strike and very intuitive for a spectator is that right there, you just don't run in and die, right?

02:28:55.000 Well, also, it seems that Counter-Strike...

02:28:56.000 It happens quicker.

02:28:57.000 With Counter-Strike, the physics are very similar to real-life physics. 0.98

02:29:01.000 Like, you can't do any weird shit. 0.53

02:29:03.000 You can do weird shit in Quake where you can jump a little higher than you really would be able to. 0.99

02:29:07.000 You can't lay down in this game. 0.98

02:29:08.000 You can't prone.

02:29:09.000 You can duck, stand, and walk.

02:29:11.000 And run. 0.87

02:29:12.000 You can prone in some games? 0.96

02:29:14.000 In Call of Duty, you can do some weird shit where you jump and then slide. 0.81

02:29:17.000 It's called Superman-ing, I think. 0.96

02:29:19.000 You jump and extend and lay down.

02:29:21.000 It's weird.

02:29:21.000 Wow.

02:29:22.000 Do you get stadiums of people watching you guys play your final matches like League of Legends does?

02:29:26.000 Yeah.

02:29:26.000 Like Korea?

02:29:27.000 Yeah.

02:29:28.000 The biggest one I was at recently was in Poland.

02:29:30.000 We filled it up.

02:29:30.000 There's like a 20,000 person arena.

02:29:32.000 20,000 people.

02:29:33.000 I was in the final for that, but it was awesome to watch.

02:29:35.000 So you were watching, and these guys were playing, and 20,000 people were there.

02:29:40.000 Yeah, I have a video on my Instagram where I'm shooting it over my shoulder, and everyone's like, N.I.P. Virtus.

02:29:46.000 And they're screaming the team names, and it's epic because the arena is now.

02:29:50.000 Wow, 20,000 people screaming that.

02:29:51.000 That's insane.

02:29:52.000 And they normally set it up like every player has a projector to their point of view.

02:29:55.000 So there's like 10 projectors, and then one giant projector for the commentators.

02:29:59.000 Wow.

02:29:59.000 So there's a color, a play-by-play.

02:30:01.000 Wow.

02:30:01.000 Where do you think this is going?

02:30:03.000 If you had to envision, if you had to prognosticate, and you look at where games are right now, and you try to extrapolate, and look five, ten years in the future, what do you think it's going to be?

02:30:13.000 Well, I'm not Ray Kurzweil, but let's see here.

02:30:14.000 But if you were?

02:30:15.000 If I was Ray, I don't think it's success. 0.98

02:30:20.000 Basically, I think what we've realized in the community and a lot of these top people who run the companies realize is that TV and the mainstream routes that everyone wants to go, like reality TV, let's show the gamers behind the scenes, that shit just isn't what is necessary for this world.

02:30:32.000 So what they're doing now, and what I think it'll turn into, is what you're currently seeing now, just a little bit higher production quality and more...

02:30:40.000 More cater to the players when they have events.

02:30:42.000 Maybe players' lounges, better warm-up areas.

02:30:44.000 I think everything's going to be somewhat similar, but tidied up just enough to make all the narratives of the pro teams more clear to the mainstream, to make, when you watch, to make all the information much more presented clearly, because obviously not anyone watching will say, oh, that's their ammo,

02:31:00.000 how much ammo do we have left?

02:31:01.000 That's not really what I was asking.

02:31:02.000 I'm just saying, I think it's going to keep growing, and I think...

02:31:09.000 You're not going to see these astronomical changes where we're like, every match is in a huge Madison Square Garden.

02:31:15.000 That's not really what I meant either.

02:31:16.000 I meant with video games themselves.

02:31:18.000 Yeah.

02:31:19.000 Like, it seems like the games themselves are getting more and more complex and more and more immersive.

02:31:24.000 Like, where could this possibly be going?

02:31:25.000 It sounds like virtual reality type stuff.

02:31:26.000 Yeah, do you think that that's a possibility?

02:31:29.000 Like, the Oculus Rift thing that Carmack was talking about.

02:31:32.000 You don't think so, Brian?

02:31:34.000 No.

02:31:34.000 How come?

02:31:35.000 What do you think?

02:31:35.000 I think there's going to be something that's going to trump that.

02:31:38.000 I think it's nice.

02:31:38.000 It's a fun little gimmick type thing.

02:31:42.000 But like the thing we were talking about earlier about people getting sick and how heavy it is and stuff.

02:31:47.000 I think in 10 or 15 years, that's just going to be like a beta test of what we're talking about.

02:31:52.000 And it's probably going to be just like a contact lens that you put in your eye and it turns your living room into a jungle.

02:31:56.000 So that, I can't comprehend that.

02:31:57.000 Technology, and like you said, exponential growth, the technology is insane.

02:32:00.000 We might just have one chip.

02:32:02.000 We might not need it to...

02:32:03.000 Oculus.

02:32:03.000 We might just have a little tablet thing we put by our temple, and all of a sudden you're experiencing this with no fatigue.

02:32:08.000 Well, have you seen those goggles that turn the whole world into a desktop?

02:32:12.000 The video game?

02:32:13.000 Someone posted a crazy video I want to play.

02:32:15.000 It's called The Void.

02:32:16.000 It's the HD version, or I'll show you.

02:32:18.000 It's Oculus.

02:32:19.000 Oh, okay.

02:32:20.000 Here we go.

02:32:21.000 Go full screen.

02:32:23.000 Start it from the beginning.

02:32:29.000 The Void.

02:32:30.000 Cool graphics.

02:32:33.000 What if you could explore new dimensions, new worlds?

02:32:38.000 From your bedroom.

02:32:41.000 Where dreams become reality.

02:32:46.000 They build a space in a warehouse, kind of.

02:32:50.000 And imagination has no limits.

02:32:54.000 Whoa.

02:32:58.000 Yes, you know I'm down.

02:33:00.000 Okay, so this guy has virtual reality goggles on, unparalleled visuals and body tracking.

02:33:07.000 Oh, so you're wearing some crazy vest.

02:33:10.000 Oh my god, this guy's walking through a warehouse and things are coming at them.

02:33:15.000 Oh my god.

02:33:16.000 Virtual worlds built over physical environments.

02:33:20.000 This is it.

02:33:21.000 Jamie, you just answered my question. 1.00

02:33:23.000 This is the fucking future. 0.99

02:33:25.000 So I definitely think laser tag will get invented. 0.99

02:33:28.000 Yeah, these little laser tag things will be...

02:33:30.000 Environmental effects.

02:33:33.000 Oh my god.

02:33:34.000 And this is for the super casual player, obviously, right?

02:33:36.000 Yeah.

02:33:37.000 Super casual player?

02:33:38.000 No, I'm saying like single player games, right?

02:33:39.000 You're playing your own journey story right here.

02:33:41.000 Not casual, meaning...

02:33:43.000 This is a place where you would rent out like a laser tag and...

02:33:47.000 Virtual tag?

02:33:48.000 I don't think...

02:33:49.000 I don't ever see this taking over where it's in your house and...

02:33:52.000 No.

02:33:52.000 But this could be like an arena, like where you play football.

02:33:56.000 I mean, this could be the future where you're watching people play in a warehouse.

02:34:01.000 See, I think that's when I'm a grandpa.

02:34:02.000 This is amazing.

02:34:04.000 I don't think this is going to be when you're a grandpa, dude.

02:34:06.000 I think this is going to be a game where you accidentally get your girlfriend pregnant and this exists.

02:34:10.000 Whoa, look at this.

02:34:10.000 Like, super soon.

02:34:12.000 This is nuts, man.

02:34:14.000 These guys all have fake swords and they're, oh my god, there's various games that you could play.

02:34:20.000 And they're fighting against dragons with swords. 0.99

02:34:24.000 This is fucking nuts. 0.99

02:34:25.000 This is all a concept, though, obviously. 0.99

02:34:28.000 Well, it seems like they were showing the actual physical environment, like they're creating it.

02:34:32.000 I think it's like a demo of what...

02:34:34.000 CGI on top of it.

02:34:36.000 Well, let's go to thevoid.com and find out. 0.99

02:34:38.000 Go to thevoid.com and see what the fuck... 0.98

02:34:40.000 How'd they get the void? 1.00

02:34:42.000 They must have had to pay for that bitch. 1.00

02:34:45.000 That was my point. 1.00

02:34:46.000 I don't think that'll enter esports.

02:34:47.000 That's, I guess, why I went down the other path of talking.

02:34:50.000 Like, I don't know how that would enter esports.

02:34:52.000 Something I... So you're primarily concerned with the sport, professional sport aspect.

02:34:59.000 That's where my mind attached to it.

02:35:00.000 Pleasant Grove, Utah.

02:35:02.000 Huh.

02:35:03.000 Next summer.

02:35:05.000 So essentially a year from now.

02:35:07.000 I can see how badass.

02:35:08.000 What was that game with the dragons recently that came out single player?

02:35:12.000 Dragonite.

02:35:12.000 No.

02:35:13.000 Look at what they're saying here.

02:35:15.000 Look at what they're saying here.

02:35:16.000 Elder Scrolls?

02:35:17.000 Visions of Infinite Dimensions The Void is exactly what our virtual entertainment centers will offer.

02:35:22.000 Experience everything from haunted castles to dinosaur safaris to futuristic battlefields.

02:35:28.000 And with our competitive or cooperative multiplayer modes, you can share these incredible experiences with family and friends.

02:35:34.000 See, that might be a weird issue, man, if these games start becoming physical.

02:35:39.000 If you start having these competitions, like you're playing teams five on five, or how many people are in Counter-Strike?

02:35:47.000 Five versus five, yeah.

02:35:48.000 Five versus five.

02:35:49.000 Imagine if you're doing five versus five in these things and it becomes about athletics.

02:35:54.000 It becomes about athletes competing in virtual environments in video games.

02:35:59.000 I mean, that really could be possible.

02:36:02.000 Sort of like Dance Dance Revolution, get you guys in shape?

02:36:05.000 Like I said, that's where I need the super suit then after that, so I don't need to get in shape.

02:36:09.000 I just plug in.

02:36:11.000 Yeah, that's going to be weird if people resist the getting in shape part.

02:36:14.000 I mean, who knows what this is going to be or whether this is going to catch on.

02:36:18.000 But I think, like, why would you go to the movies when you could live a movie?

02:36:22.000 When you could go, I mean, imagine if you had, like, The Hobbit, like, that kind of graphics, and you're actually in the environment. 0.98

02:36:31.000 Walk through the battlefield next to Gandalf, fucked.

02:36:33.000 Dude, and they figure out a way to sculpt the ground in a way that makes it feel like you're going uphill and downhill and dirt under your feet and rocks and different terrains. 0.95

02:36:43.000 Well, we know we did figure that out and we're experiencing it in the past of our current development.

02:36:49.000 Yeah, the whole virtual reality.

02:36:52.000 We're a hologram right now, right? 0.92

02:36:53.000 Well, that's the mindfuck of all mindfucks is that one day there will be an artificial reality that's indiscernible from this reality. 0.89

02:37:00.000 How do we know we're not already in it? 0.97

02:37:02.000 We're in it.

02:37:02.000 DMT. Oh, well, people think so.

02:37:04.000 It comes, I mean, it does come up every now and again.

02:37:08.000 Jordan, I think we've said everything we could say about video gaming.

02:37:11.000 Yeah, man.

02:37:11.000 Anything else to add?

02:37:12.000 Yeah, shout out to everyone who learned a little bit about esports today.

02:37:17.000 If you haven't Gotten enough info for me.

02:37:20.000 Feel free to look around.

02:37:20.000 Yeah, and you could find Jordan.

02:37:22.000 What is your Twitter handle?

02:37:26.000 C9N0THING. So C9N0THING. And C9N0THING is your handle online. 0.66

02:37:31.000 Cloud9 is my organization I compete for.

02:37:33.000 And nothing is N0THING. All right.

02:37:36.000 Well, anything else?

02:37:38.000 No.

02:37:39.000 Thanks for everyone for watching.

02:37:40.000 Friends and family.

02:37:41.000 Brian Redband, you got anything going on to tell the people about?

02:37:44.000 GK, right?

02:37:45.000 Yeah.

02:37:45.000 My Twitch channel is Redband, so check that out.

02:37:48.000 What's GK? Yeah, I told my Counter-Shake buddies that I'd say I'd give him a shout-out. 1.00

02:37:51.000 GK is the kids I used to play with from Counter-Shake.

02:37:53.000 They're like, say that at the end.

02:37:54.000 I was like, eh, if I could fit it in.

02:37:55.000 Yeah, you got in there.

02:37:56.000 What are you saying?

02:37:57.000 My Twitch channel is Redman.

02:37:58.000 Me and Jamie play all the time.

02:38:01.000 Also, I'll be in Toronto in July.

02:38:02.000 And Death Squad Friday at the ISOS. Let's do a stream together, ref.

02:38:07.000 You guys are going to do a stream together.

02:38:09.000 Let's do it.

02:38:09.000 You're going to cross streams, too?

02:38:11.000 Cross streams.

02:38:12.000 Touch tips.

02:38:12.000 Let's touch tips.

02:38:13.000 It's after the real stream.

02:38:14.000 Well, listen, man, this has been very illuminating.

02:38:16.000 This is a world that I completely was unaware, peripherally aware of, but you really gave us the full tour of it.

02:38:23.000 I appreciate it.

02:38:24.000 No worries.

02:38:25.000 Congratulations on being able to make a career out of this. 0.98

02:38:27.000 I think it's fucking awesome. 0.92

02:38:28.000 Thank you. 0.89

02:38:29.000 Kudos to you, sir. 1.00

02:38:30.000 And to everybody else, go fuck yourself. 1.00

02:38:32.000 We'll see you next week. 1.00

02:38:33.000 Much love.

02:38:33.000 Big kisses.

02:38:34.000 Oh, Friday night, Vegas.

02:38:36.000 There's still some tickets available.

02:38:38.000 That's tomorrow.

02:38:38.000 Tom Segura, Tony Hinchcliffe, and me at the Codd Theater at the MGM. Holla!

02:38:44.000 See you then.

02:38:45.000 Peace!

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 21, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #651 - Jordan Gilbert (c9n0thing)

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