The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #656 - Bryan Callen

00:00:00.000 A Twitter campaign for me.

00:00:01.000 Guys!

00:00:02.000 Brian motherfuckin' Callan.

00:00:04.000 You can find him on Twitter at B-R-Y. I'm sure someone has confiscated B-R-I-A-N Callan. 0.99

00:00:12.000 Yeah, how dare they?

00:00:13.000 And they probably fucked you. 0.85

00:00:14.000 They've probably done terrible things to that account.

00:00:16.000 I hate the name, Brian, because I have to always say it's B-R-Y. Oh, that is annoying.

00:00:21.000 It's just, you know, it's a unique great, so I spent my whole life going, actually, with a Y. It's a boring name to begin with.

00:00:29.000 It's not like it's a unique name.

00:00:30.000 Dude, I'm Joe.

00:00:31.000 That is the most boring name.

00:00:33.000 Yeah, but you can't really mess with that name.

00:00:35.000 J-O. It's just so simple.

00:00:37.000 I've seen people write a J-O at Starbucks.

00:00:39.000 That's annoying.

00:00:41.000 They're trying to fuck with me.

00:00:42.000 They're trying to make me a woman. 0.98

00:00:43.000 That's exactly right.

00:00:44.000 You have a lot of feminine energy. 1.00

00:00:46.000 Honestly, I didn't want to tell you that.

00:00:47.000 J-O. I'm J-O. With the features, your delicate features in your face.

00:00:52.000 That long aquiline nose.

00:00:53.000 J-O. I have a delicate bone structure.

00:00:56.000 Joe, is that a girl or a boy, that guy Rogan?

00:00:58.000 J.O. Rogan's girl.

00:01:00.000 This is how unoriginal my family is.

00:01:02.000 My grandmother's name was Josephine.

00:01:04.000 My grandfather's name was Joseph.

00:01:06.000 My dad's name was Joseph.

00:01:08.000 And my name is Joseph.

00:01:09.000 That's terrible.

00:01:10.000 Fucking apes.

00:01:13.000 I want them to be named after me!

00:01:15.000 The fucking kid's gotta have my name!

00:01:19.000 My grandma's name is Rose.

00:01:20.000 Grandfather's name is Dominic.

00:01:22.000 So those are normal names.

00:01:23.000 Victoria.

00:01:24.000 Michael.

00:01:25.000 Yeah.

00:01:26.000 My mother had a cool name, but she didn't like it. 1.00

00:01:28.000 My mother was born.

00:01:29.000 Her name was Asanta.

00:01:31.000 Asanta?

00:01:32.000 Asanta.

00:01:33.000 Damn.

00:01:33.000 Yeah, she didn't like it.

00:01:34.000 She hated it.

00:01:35.000 So she changed it to Susan.

00:01:37.000 That's crazy.

00:01:38.000 Yeah, she wouldn't let anybody...

00:01:39.000 I didn't even know her name was Asanta until I was in high school.

00:01:42.000 My friend's mother was a hippie, and she named him Blue Quanwantiga Lawless.

00:01:48.000 Oh, no.

00:01:50.000 Didn't Gwyneth Paltrow name her kid Apple?

00:01:54.000 Without even knowing that, I will say to you 100% she did.

00:01:59.000 We have an issue with that, but why is Apple any worse than Joe?

00:02:04.000 It's not.

00:02:05.000 It's just not.

00:02:06.000 I think the people that I have, and I don't even know how to explain it, and I'm going to get into a larger point about it.

00:02:11.000 I have this strange reaction, and it's not a positive one, whenever a celebrity in Hollywood names their kids something really cool.

00:02:20.000 Right, like it might be adorable if it was your neighbor.

00:02:23.000 Yeah.

00:02:24.000 If your neighbor had a kid named Apple, and they were really nice.

00:02:26.000 Well, I think what makes me more, what annoys me more is that they're making the name of the kid about themselves, not about the kid.

00:02:32.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

00:02:33.000 I think that's what bothers me about it.

00:02:35.000 Yeah, I think you're probably on to something.

00:02:37.000 You're on to, you sense the pretension.

00:02:40.000 Yeah.

00:02:41.000 Like when Puffy Combs, I think it was...

00:02:43.000 Is that the right word?

00:02:43.000 It's pretension, but it's also a little bit of spectacle.

00:02:47.000 It's a little bit like, hey, I named my kid Brooklyn, Apple, and Rumor, which are all cool names.

00:02:55.000 And I'm not saying, and maybe I would do the same, but I do feel like, again, of course, you're making a little bit about yourself.

00:03:02.000 You've got to name your kid...

00:03:04.000 Maybe you feel the pressure to name your kids something very different.

00:03:07.000 I don't know.

00:03:08.000 Yeah, I think...

00:03:10.000 I'm being a little...

00:03:10.000 No, you're onto something, though.

00:03:12.000 We don't like, like, fake energy people.

00:03:15.000 Nobody likes, like, I'm a healer.

00:03:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:19.000 There's like that fakeness that comes with...

00:03:21.000 But we do like, like, we were talking about yoga before this...

00:03:25.000 Show started like we like people that are really in the yoga because they actually enjoy the benefits of it And they're really they're really kind of down to earth and centered Those are nice people to be around.

00:03:35.000 Yes, but the ones who are faking that thing are fucking gross Well, they're wearing it like a costume, right?

00:03:41.000 So it becomes a character that they've taken over and again, that's something called affectation.

00:03:47.000 Yeah They're not doing it for the utility of yoga, like where you're working something out, whether it's peace of mind or getting more centered or whatever, and getting healthier.

00:03:56.000 I think that some people actually wear that cloak and become somewhat tyrannical about it.

00:04:02.000 They put on the outfit, the costume, now they're a yogi, now they're going to speak about being on the spiritual path, and within that is always a little bit of a...

00:04:12.000 Look at this.

00:04:13.000 These common cattle.

00:04:14.000 These people who drink coffee and other stimulants and obviously eat meat.

00:04:19.000 That's kind of what I think we react to.

00:04:21.000 I was listening to this conversation in yoga class with this woman who was advising this man on what he should do with his diet.

00:04:28.000 She was saying that meat is toxic. 0.99

00:04:30.000 Meat is toxic.

00:04:32.000 It's toxic.

00:04:33.000 I mean, the way she was doing it, it's fucking protein and water. 1.00

00:04:37.000 It's one of the most easily digestible things that people eat.

00:04:41.000 I love to do with people like that whenever they mention toxins.

00:04:43.000 Like, you sweat out all these toxins.

00:04:44.000 What toxins?

00:04:46.000 What are the toxins?

00:04:47.000 How's it going through your sweat?

00:04:48.000 Yeah, what are they?

00:04:49.000 You know where toxins get filtered?

00:04:51.000 Your fucking liver, okay?

00:04:52.000 Yeah, and your kidneys.

00:04:53.000 They're in your blood.

00:04:53.000 Your liver filters it out.

00:04:55.000 You're not getting toxins out of your body.

00:04:57.000 Right.

00:04:58.000 Oh, somebody told me they did some foot thing where they put you in a foot bath and the water turns brown.

00:05:03.000 Yeah, because the toxins in your body. 0.53

00:05:05.000 Meanwhile, they've done experiments on that, which is it reacts with the metal in the water to create with a certain sodium compound, and it creates rust.

00:05:15.000 It's rust.

00:05:16.000 Oh, so what is it they're putting on your feet?

00:05:18.000 They put like an oil on your feet?

00:05:20.000 Yeah, they put your feet in there and then they have an electric charge.

00:05:23.000 They put potassium in like a nail with an electric charge.

00:05:25.000 It's toxins, man.

00:05:26.000 And that brown stuff is coming out of your feet. 1.00

00:05:29.000 And they make a lot of money that way.

00:05:30.000 Somebody tried to tell me that.

00:05:31.000 They're taking the toxins out of your body and after you do it, you just feel amazing.

00:05:36.000 It's like, oh God, this is one of the beautiful things about the internet, is those people, like you can go, okay, is that real?

00:05:42.000 And then you Google it and you go, no, here's all these studies and they show that you're retarded. 0.98

00:05:46.000 There's a book I read about that where they break that particular thing down, that putting your feet in the water turns brown and all the toxins come out.

00:05:54.000 God, that's so dumb, but it's like, here it is, before iron cleanse.

00:05:59.000 Oh, look at that.

00:05:59.000 After a 30 minute treatment.

00:06:01.000 Amazing.

00:06:02.000 Except for you can do the same thing and take your feet out and put another compound in there and it turns brown as well.

00:06:07.000 Look at that fucking bullshit.

00:06:09.000 Look at that.

00:06:10.000 Like, they're really trying to pretend that all that brown is coming out of your body. 0.96

00:06:13.000 Yep.

00:06:13.000 If you have all that stuff in your body, you're fucking dying.

00:06:16.000 Alright?

00:06:17.000 That's really bad.

00:06:18.000 Yeah.

00:06:18.000 It's very weird.

00:06:19.000 I guess it sucks it out of your body.

00:06:22.000 So gross.

00:06:23.000 There's so much of that gross fake shit out there.

00:06:26.000 That gross fake, like, healing and psychic healers and zone healers.

00:06:31.000 But even that, even that is always, if you actually scratch into it, and I've spent enough, you know me, I've got a lot of patience for those people.

00:06:38.000 You do.

00:06:38.000 Like, I love them.

00:06:40.000 How about the one who came up to you the other day, the one that we both know, that said to you something, it's about allowing.

00:06:46.000 Oh! 0.60

00:06:47.000 Please tell me more.

00:06:49.000 Please tell me more about this text message.

00:06:51.000 We don't have to name names, but please tell me more.

00:06:53.000 It's just an interesting...

00:06:54.000 I'm very hesitant, too, in case he listens to the...

00:06:57.000 Or that person listens to your podcast like everybody else does.

00:07:00.000 But, yeah, some people tend to decide that they...

00:07:06.000 I think it's very common, especially in L.A. and places, for people to believe that they...

00:07:11.000 I found the answer.

00:07:12.000 I know all this conventional wisdom is your thing, but I actually have a roundabout way, and then they'll play with words, and they'll say, it's not about doing, it's kind of about allowing.

00:07:24.000 And you're like, you know, I love that.

00:07:26.000 I'm just like, I'll give you rope.

00:07:28.000 I'll be like, dude, tell me more immediately so I can talk about it on Joe Robbins' podcast with 16 million...

00:07:37.000 Oh, Christ.

00:07:38.000 You deal with that all the time, man.

00:07:41.000 My biggest thing with the healer kind of crowd, and some of them are great people, of course, and maybe they do some good, of course, but a lot of them are wearing it to bludgeon you with it, or it's a piece of identity.

00:07:54.000 Everything else has kind of gone well, and they turn their own crisis into sort of a...

00:08:00.000 You know, they've found their calling, which is to be a healer.

00:08:04.000 Also, I don't buy the ideas of people that are trying to be leaders and trying to push things and trying to create these movements and trying to...

00:08:16.000 If they don't do something to push themselves, like if I see you and you have a sloppy face and a big old double chin and your gut is hanging off your pants, you greedily await your food as you're sitting around with all these people that are listening to you.

00:08:30.000 I'm like, you're a guy that's caught up in the grips of not taking care of your own meat wagon.

00:08:35.000 Yes.

00:08:35.000 So why don't I listen to you about how you describe how we're supposed to live life and how the peaceful energy flows through your chakras and like, What exactly are you saying?

00:08:46.000 Are you just trying to get people to listen to you?

00:08:48.000 Because that's what it kind of seems like.

00:08:50.000 It kind of seems like you just want to be a leader.

00:08:52.000 That's usually what it is.

00:08:54.000 They don't push themselves.

00:08:57.000 I think unless you're involved in some adverse situation, some situation where you have to encounter adversity and find out what you're made of, Whatever you're doing, whatever pursuit, if you're doing one of those, what are those crazy mutters, those crazy races those people do? 1.00

00:09:11.000 Tough mutters.

00:09:12.000 People love that, man.

00:09:13.000 You know why they love that?

00:09:14.000 Because they're getting fucking pushed.

00:09:16.000 They have to find out what they're made out of. 0.51

00:09:18.000 You don't find that in a cubicle.

00:09:20.000 You just fucking don't.

00:09:21.000 And I think there's a crazy desire that people have to do triathlons.

00:09:25.000 I'm gonna see if I can do it.

00:09:26.000 I want to do a sub-three-hour marathon.

00:09:28.000 It's like these fucking desires to push.

00:09:30.000 Push yourself!

00:09:31.000 Because we don't encounter enough mortality.

00:09:34.000 We don't encounter enough disease.

00:09:37.000 We don't encounter enough sadness to make ourselves aware of the special moment that you have when you've achieved peace.

00:09:45.000 And I really think we have a genetic memory of all those things.

00:09:47.000 Yeah, I do.

00:09:48.000 You know, you're put in a world where you're not being tested.

00:09:51.000 And struggle is such a huge part of the human experience.

00:09:54.000 And the other thing about gurus, though, is that whenever you see somebody who talks a lot, And they're telling you the secrets and methodology and technology of life.

00:10:02.000 The problem with that is that when you see people really accomplish something, like John Wayne Parr or whatever, if you ask John Wayne Parr to tell me the secrets of fighting, John Wayne Parr would look at me and go, well, you'd probably have to go train for 10 years, and a lot of it is something you have to experience and practice,

00:10:19.000 not something I can tell you about.

00:10:21.000 And I think anybody who has A sharp profile who has really, really cool ways of putting words together.

00:10:30.000 You should be a little bit aware of that person.

00:10:33.000 Here's a good example of that.

00:10:34.000 You are what I would consider a master stand-up comedian.

00:10:38.000 You've been doing stand-up comedy for more than a decade, professionally.

00:10:42.000 You're hilarious.

00:10:44.000 You know, every time I see you, you're killing.

00:10:46.000 If you had to tell someone how to do stand-up, how the fuck would you even begin?

00:10:51.000 And imagine having the gall to tell someone how they should do stand-up.

00:10:56.000 It's incredible.

00:10:57.000 But the reality is, life is kind of like stand-up in a way.

00:11:01.000 It is.

00:11:01.000 In that you have to do it your way.

00:11:03.000 You know, and if you like wearing dresses and ball gags and getting beat up by chicks, who the fuck am I to say there's something wrong with that? 1.00

00:11:10.000 As long as you're not hurting anybody, and if you are hurting them, it's because they want you to hurt them.

00:11:14.000 You're in some weird situation.

00:11:16.000 Who gives a fuck?

00:11:18.000 Really, who gives a fuck?

00:11:20.000 So when some guy comes along, it's about allowing.

00:11:23.000 Sometimes, sometimes it's about being in your car going, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and then you go to work with a big smile on your face.

00:11:30.000 Yeah.

00:11:31.000 Because you're laughingly and jokingly, completely in the nature of, like, joking around, all through your day, where we're shit-mouthing people, or fuck-mouthing people.

00:11:42.000 I do that all the time!

00:11:43.000 Fuck yeah, it's therapeutic!

00:11:44.000 I do it all the time just for amusement.

00:11:46.000 I amuse myself.

00:11:48.000 I'll see myself in the car like, come on, fuckface, come on, fuckface! 1.00

00:11:52.000 You fucking dummy!

00:11:54.000 You fucking dummy!

00:11:55.000 But I'm never really mad at that guy.

00:11:58.000 I'm mocking it because it's fun to do.

00:12:00.000 It makes a normal, ordinary moment entertaining.

00:12:04.000 I think you're right.

00:12:06.000 I think life is a lot like stand-up in that sense.

00:12:08.000 We have different styles of living, you know, it's it's one of the cool things about life and I think everybody's person like different personalities gravitate towards different styles of living just Automatically and organically the same way people gravitate towards jobs You know the way some people are just drawn.

00:12:25.000 I want to be a comic book illustrator.

00:12:27.000 I'm drawn to it You know or some people like fuck always love music man.

00:12:30.000 Just always want to be a musician and My son, I told you I went to, I watched him at his school play, whatever, and he's not even four.

00:12:40.000 And it was so funny because all the kids were singing their songs and doing their thing, and my son is on the sidelines pulling his mouth open as wide as he possibly can.

00:12:52.000 Then he jumps over and just jumps in his kid's face.

00:12:55.000 Then he decides, I'm getting out of here.

00:12:57.000 Pulls his shirt up and walks off stage.

00:12:59.000 He gets the teachers chasing him.

00:13:01.000 He realizes it.

00:13:02.000 He's disrupting everything.

00:13:03.000 And he did a variation of that for all four songs.

00:13:06.000 And my wife was like, you know, this is crazy and this is bad.

00:13:10.000 And I was like, listen, all I know is I was exactly the same.

00:13:15.000 I don't remember it being a good thing.

00:13:17.000 It's probably going to be a bit of a struggle for him.

00:13:18.000 Who knows how to navigate it?

00:13:20.000 But there's one thing for sure.

00:13:21.000 He's not a conformist.

00:13:22.000 He's very different, and he sees the world very differently, and he'd way rather be doing this thing over here.

00:13:28.000 And, you know, I kind of looked, I was like, I thought to myself, I've always been the exact same way.

00:13:34.000 I've always been that way.

00:13:35.000 I wonder if it's genetics.

00:13:37.000 It has to be because he's so similar to me to the point where I remember doing that.

00:13:42.000 I remember going, this is embarrassing.

00:13:45.000 I'm not going to sing like everybody else.

00:13:47.000 I remember looking over, I was in kindergarten and I saw their mouths wide open and they were singing and I was like, well, that's embarrassing.

00:13:54.000 And my mother came over and she said, what's wrong?

00:13:58.000 And I said, I don't think we should be doing this.

00:14:01.000 And she said, why?

00:14:02.000 And I said, because we're not that good.

00:14:05.000 I knew at that age, I was very aware at that age how bad we were at singing and dancing.

00:14:12.000 That's funny.

00:14:12.000 And I think my son felt the same way.

00:14:14.000 He was a little embarrassed at the bad performance.

00:14:18.000 Because there's nothing worse than seeing, I don't know, 16, three and a half year olds trying to sing a song.

00:14:23.000 Yeah, you gotta wait until they're five before you even go to those things, for real.

00:14:28.000 100%.

00:14:29.000 They just can't do it yet.

00:14:31.000 Forget it.

00:14:31.000 It's chaos, but it's adorable.

00:14:32.000 People love watching their kids do things.

00:14:34.000 You know, it's like their kid gets to be a star for a brief moment in time.

00:14:38.000 It's true.

00:14:39.000 Yeah, that's a weird thing.

00:14:40.000 It's a weird thing.

00:14:41.000 What is your...

00:14:42.000 Let me ask you this question.

00:14:43.000 We haven't talked about it, but...

00:14:45.000 And be honest.

00:14:46.000 What was your first reaction?

00:14:48.000 Like, your first gut reaction, if you even had one, when you saw the picture of Bruce Jenner on Vanity Fair under the title, Call Me Caitlyn?

00:14:58.000 Well, I got it when I was bear hunting with a bow and arrow.

00:15:04.000 Let's just pause for a second.

00:15:06.000 That's when I got it.

00:15:07.000 Let's have a moment of silence for that.

00:15:08.000 Jamie sent it to me.

00:15:10.000 Jamie was the first one to send it to me, and then my wife sent it to me.

00:15:13.000 And I was like, oh, fuck it.

00:15:14.000 Actually, no, my wife was first and Jamie was second.

00:15:17.000 Sorry, dude.

00:15:18.000 She got you.

00:15:18.000 But it was very close.

00:15:20.000 It was basically both of them sent it to me.

00:15:22.000 And I had bare blood on my clothes, and we were stopping into this town to go on a dock to catch some walleye in Northern Pike.

00:15:32.000 Just as manly as it gets.

00:15:35.000 Yeah, I was doing man shit.

00:15:36.000 For real man shit, you know?

00:15:40.000 Eat meat or don't eat meat, but if you are going to eat meat, you really can't be upset at people hunting.

00:15:45.000 You really can't.

00:15:46.000 Because it's exciting, and it's a huge discipline, and the food is amazing.

00:15:53.000 The meat that you get from wild game is so much better.

00:15:57.000 It also, the money that parks make from hunting and basically...

00:16:04.000 Well, the Wildlife Federation.

00:16:05.000 Yes.

00:16:05.000 Fish and wildlife.

00:16:06.000 Helps preserve a great deal of habitat for animals.

00:16:09.000 It preserves more habitat for animals because of hunting than anything else.

00:16:12.000 The conservation aspect of hunting is totally overlooked because people want to look at hunters like there's some evil person.

00:16:18.000 We live in this really fucked up, contradictory society where every day you're driving down the street, you're passing by gas stations that are filled with meat snacks.

00:16:28.000 Disgusting meat that's ground up into some fucking goofy hamburger and frozen and you microwave it.

00:16:34.000 It's all that shit.

00:16:35.000 Those bean and beef burritos they sell.

00:16:38.000 What is that?

00:16:39.000 That's murdered animals that were ground up.

00:16:42.000 They come from three different countries sometimes that were killed six months ago.

00:16:45.000 Oh, easily.

00:16:46.000 Easily.

00:16:46.000 Who knows how long that shit's been frozen for.

00:16:48.000 And nobody seems to...

00:16:51.000 It doesn't seem to phase anyone.

00:16:52.000 You know, you walk into a supermarket, you're passing by just rows and rows of meat.

00:16:57.000 Every McDonald's, every jack-in-the-box is meat, meat, meat, meat, meat.

00:17:02.000 But we're completely disconnected from it.

00:17:04.000 By living in this...

00:17:05.000 I think cities are awesome, by the way.

00:17:08.000 And you know when I really started to appreciate cities?

00:17:10.000 When you and I started going on these trips.

00:17:12.000 When you and I went to Montana, or even better recently, like a perfect example, when we did that Prince of Wales show, we went on to Prince of Wales Island, we got rained on every fucking day for five days, and when we came back to L.A., it was amazing.

00:17:26.000 I loved this place so much.

00:17:29.000 The sun felt so good.

00:17:30.000 It's one of the greatest messages I've ever gotten from you.

00:17:33.000 I just get this random message.

00:17:35.000 Hey...

00:17:35.000 Hey, hey, it's Joe.

00:17:37.000 Hey, do you feel really great?

00:17:40.000 I feel fucking amazing.

00:17:42.000 I don't know if you do, but I feel fucking amazing, man.

00:17:44.000 How do you feel?

00:17:45.000 Do you feel amazing?

00:17:48.000 I don't fucking know what he's talking about.

00:17:50.000 I felt like I was on drugs.

00:17:52.000 Like, coming back from that rainy, miserable, cold five days to coming back to LA felt like I was on drugs.

00:17:59.000 It was because I realized that like we had a first of all we had a great time being rainy and miserable laughing our asses off It was moving when I saw Steve Rinald at the end of that say, you know, I kind of miss Brian and Joe's Comedy because being up here alone.

00:18:14.000 There's a profound sadness I feel I feel that way to actually did you feel that like very sad I feel so sad when I look out I maybe I feel so alone or I feel like What it would be like to live in such solitude and such silence all the time.

00:18:29.000 Well, it's totally humbling.

00:18:31.000 It's totally humbling.

00:18:33.000 And I feel like I might be totally bullshitting here, okay?

00:18:37.000 And I'm willing to admit that.

00:18:39.000 But I feel like when, even if I'm in a beautiful park-like setting, like if you go to Griffiths Park and you're sitting up in there, even if you find yourself a swath of land where all you see is trees and you're sitting down, there's still...

00:18:53.000 There's a feeling in the air of civilization and the feeling in the air of civilization I don't know if it's Wi-Fi signals or radio signals or television signals or cellular signals I don't I don't know if it's an actual physical thing I don't know if there's a feeling that you get obviously you can't tune into someone's cell phone with your fucking brain but are you aware in some sort of weird peripheral sense That all these signals are around you all the time.

00:19:19.000 I don't know, but I know that it feels totally different to be outside on a mountain in Prince of Wales.

00:19:25.000 There's a feeling in the air, and there's this, first of all, this very humbling, absolute, undeniable realization that not only are you not special, but that this part of the world does not give a fuck about you and will forget about you the moment you stop existing.

00:19:43.000 You're so insignificant.

00:19:45.000 So insignificant.

00:19:45.000 You're so insignificant, and I think a lot of my sadness came from feeling like being on par with a tree next to me.

00:19:55.000 I'm that anonymous, I'm that insignificant, and there's nothing around here that cares about me.

00:19:59.000 Maybe that's an egocentric way to look at it, but it certainly was very real and felt that way.

00:20:05.000 And I just, I don't know, it's...

00:20:08.000 Maybe that's what it is.

00:20:09.000 I think you're supposed to experience that.

00:20:10.000 I think it keeps people in line.

00:20:12.000 I think there's two things that we fucked up on as a race.

00:20:16.000 Well, many things, obviously.

00:20:18.000 But two things that we fucked up on that are rarely discussed.

00:20:21.000 And I think one of them is that we have almost a built-in need to be around nature.

00:20:28.000 And when you're around nature, you get feelings from that experience that are not...

00:20:35.000 They're not described enough.

00:20:37.000 They're not expanded upon enough.

00:20:39.000 They're not endorsed and appreciated enough.

00:20:43.000 I think it's an integral part of being a person.

00:20:47.000 And I think that when we're spending all of our times in these hard surfaces and these straight lines and these things that we create, I just do not think it's good for you.

00:20:57.000 I think your body's not designed for it.

00:21:00.000 I think there's some reward systems that you get from being out in these solitary environments.

00:21:08.000 It's certainly what most of our history is.

00:21:11.000 Very little stimulus.

00:21:12.000 If you think about the amount of stimulus, auditory and visual stimulus, you deal with Every day, from just blinking lights, all the things you see.

00:21:22.000 Our very recent ancestors were not ever exposed to that.

00:21:26.000 They say sometimes that we're exposed to more stimulus in a day than some of our ancestors were their whole life, in terms of how predictable, still, expansive their lives were, where you couldn't venture too far.

00:21:41.000 The other thing about where we were, especially in Prince of Wales Island, was that not even Native Americans would go up there.

00:21:47.000 In fact, even animals would be like, you know what, too rainy up here, we're gonna go down below.

00:21:53.000 So we were kind of truly where no one in their right mind would go.

00:21:57.000 Except Ranella, he's a fucking maniac. 1.00

00:21:58.000 The mountain goat.

00:21:59.000 He's a fucking maniac, that dude.

00:22:01.000 Like a legit maniac.

00:22:02.000 The long-suffering mountain goat.

00:22:03.000 Waiting to get clawed by a grizzly.

00:22:05.000 Remember, that was one of the first things he told me.

00:22:07.000 How'd I get clawed, like, right across the chest?

00:22:10.000 Like, right here?

00:22:11.000 I was like, what the fuck are you talking about, man?

00:22:13.000 If that happens, you're most likely dead.

00:22:15.000 He's amazing.

00:22:16.000 Yeah.

00:22:16.000 I wonder if he feels differently now that he got run over by a moose.

00:22:19.000 Did you ever see that episode?

00:22:20.000 I didn't see that episode.

00:22:21.000 Where the moose got him?

00:22:22.000 Yeah.

00:22:23.000 Fucked.

00:22:23.000 Moose charged him and got behind him and fucking nailed him in the ass.

00:22:27.000 They're not friendly animals.

00:22:28.000 He already shot it.

00:22:30.000 He already shot it?

00:22:30.000 Yeah, it was down and wounded and he walked up on a wounded moose and it ran at him and his gun misfired.

00:22:36.000 Wow.

00:22:37.000 Dude.

00:22:38.000 Yeah, dude.

00:22:39.000 I mean, that's death.

00:22:40.000 I mean, you could really easily get stomped to death.

00:22:42.000 Yeah.

00:22:43.000 If I had...

00:22:45.000 Just watching the video, I did not have a sense of how truly big they are.

00:22:51.000 When you see one in real life...

00:22:52.000 Yeah, I have.

00:22:53.000 And I had not seen one.

00:22:55.000 I don't think I had seen one before I hunted them.

00:22:58.000 Maybe I have.

00:22:59.000 Oh, no, I have, for sure.

00:23:00.000 Well, that leg you're carrying.

00:23:01.000 No, I have for sure, because I was with Ari, and we took pictures of them in Alaska, but it was females. 1.00

00:23:06.000 I hadn't seen one with the full antlers before.

00:23:08.000 It was in the summer, and it was females. 0.99

00:23:11.000 And they were really, really, really big, but the ones that we saw when we were in B.C., like, fucking Christ.

00:23:16.000 God.

00:23:17.000 Just think about shooting that thing, and this is where Rinella was in B.C., too.

00:23:20.000 Yeah.

00:23:20.000 Shooting that thing, and then it stomps you.

00:23:23.000 Yeah, no thanks.

00:23:24.000 Fuck, man.

00:23:25.000 They're so goddamn big.

00:23:27.000 Yeah.

00:23:27.000 The one I got was 900 pounds.

00:23:29.000 The one my friend Ben O'Brien got was 1,400 pounds.

00:23:32.000 God!

00:23:33.000 1,400 pounds!

00:23:34.000 1,400 pounds.

00:23:35.000 I think a horse, the average horse weighs like...

00:23:39.000 1100. Dude, it was so big.

00:23:41.000 Jesus.

00:23:41.000 He walked out into the road in front of us, and the charge that you get, the adrenaline charge, when you see one, you're like, Jesus!

00:23:50.000 Yeah.

00:23:50.000 They didn't even look real.

00:23:51.000 They were both the same size.

00:23:52.000 They were both these enormous bachelors.

00:23:54.000 It was right after they had got done rutting.

00:23:56.000 And so they were just eating like crazy.

00:23:58.000 They were just starved because they've been fucking for weeks and weeks and weeks.

00:24:01.000 And they walked out into the middle of the road, and we slammed the brakes in the car, and you look at them like, God!

00:24:06.000 Their body was bigger than the top of the truck.

00:24:08.000 It was like up to like the windshield area of the truck.

00:24:11.000 Jesus.

00:24:11.000 They're insane how big they are.

00:24:13.000 By the way, we were talking about your first reaction to Caitlyn Jenner.

00:24:17.000 Yeah, no, no.

00:24:18.000 I'm gonna get back to that.

00:24:18.000 Oh, you are?

00:24:19.000 Yeah.

00:24:19.000 Alright.

00:24:20.000 The other thing that I was gonna say is I think we are...

00:24:23.000 And I want this to be like...

00:24:26.000 I'm trying to be as objective about this as possible.

00:24:29.000 And I'm trying to be as sensitive about this as possible.

00:24:32.000 But I think...

00:24:34.000 I think all this move towards the feminine and demonizing masculine behavior and all of this Appreciation for marginalized people is all it's all awesome.

00:24:50.000 I really think it's important I think people go too crazy with it and they attack people that would ordinarily be their allies But I think that what all this is Doing like the reason why this move towards acceptance is happening is because I think we're evolving and I think that as people are evolving as we realize that there really is no Right or wrong way to live and if Bruce Jenner wants to be a woman now who gives a fuck?

00:25:14.000 He should totally be a woman I think this is this is all a positive thing and it's all moving towards some softer style of being a human being and It probably won't be within our lifetime, but I think several lifetimes from now People are probably going to be way kinder on a regular basis than they are right now.

00:25:36.000 I think they're way kinder today than they've ever been before.

00:25:38.000 No doubt.

00:25:39.000 Way more aware of things now than they've ever been before.

00:25:42.000 Easier to empathize because we have too much information to know how similar we are to, say, a white guy is to a Chinese person to a black person.

00:25:49.000 It's just...

00:25:50.000 Right.

00:25:50.000 It's hard to deny that.

00:25:52.000 You rarely see somebody arguing that.

00:25:53.000 And this is where I think the divide comes in.

00:25:56.000 There's an anti-masculinity feeling.

00:26:01.000 And like that, you know, men who are into things are jocks and meatheads and assholes.

00:26:07.000 And if you're into sports or martial arts or other, somehow or another, because you embrace this, it excites you and you enjoy it.

00:26:16.000 And you surround yourself with other people that also enjoy it.

00:26:19.000 There must be something wrong with you.

00:26:20.000 You must be a mean person.

00:26:23.000 Like, just because you're masculine, you must be mean. 0.93

00:26:25.000 I reject that outright.

00:26:27.000 So do I. I think it's ridiculous.

00:26:28.000 That also, you must be insensitive and cruel.

00:26:30.000 I reject that as well outright.

00:26:32.000 It's not true.

00:26:33.000 It's not true.

00:26:34.000 You can be masculine and be very sensitive.

00:26:37.000 Dude, I had to do this fucking thing for the UFC yesterday, where it was a speech about the Hall of Fame, and Jeff Blatnick is getting into the Hall of Fame, and Jeff Blatnick He was an Olympic gold medalist, beat Alexander Carellin in Greco-Roman.

00:26:53.000 He was this amazing guy.

00:26:57.000 And I started crying.

00:27:00.000 I was like, I had to stop myself from crying when I was talking about this guy because he beat cancer and won a gold medal.

00:27:05.000 And then he was like really nice to me, man.

00:27:08.000 Like when I first started working for the UFC. I remember that.

00:27:10.000 I remember Big Jeff.

00:27:11.000 He was a great guy.

00:27:13.000 I'm a bitch, dude.

00:27:14.000 I cry all the time.

00:27:16.000 I'm emotional about a lot of shit all the time, man.

00:27:20.000 A movie or even some songs will get me.

00:27:23.000 I'll be in my car and a song will make me fucking cry.

00:27:25.000 Yep.

00:27:26.000 It doesn't mean because someone embraces masculine activities whether it's martial arts or whether it's Hunting or anything it doesn't mean that that person is going to be homophobic It doesn't mean that that person is going to be a negative person or but there's this push I think because of What's happening now with all this,

00:27:52.000 our society's movement towards civilization, movement towards a much more non-violent life, although the awareness of rape, man, there had to have been a lot of rape going on in college when I was young, but I never fucking heard about it.

00:28:06.000 But all you're hearing about, like, on a constant basis is the amount of sexual violence that takes place in colleges.

00:28:12.000 And some people are saying they're overreacting, this, that, but it's good.

00:28:16.000 Like, it's all this trend of, like, recognizing...

00:28:19.000 Giving the voiceless voice.

00:28:22.000 Yes, and recognizing that what is important here?

00:28:25.000 Is it the style of life?

00:28:26.000 Is it the style of life you live?

00:28:28.000 Should I be mad at you if you wear a dress?

00:28:30.000 No!

00:28:31.000 I should be mad at you if you rape people that wear dresses. 1.00

00:28:33.000 I should be mad at you if you beat people up because you don't like the way they look.

00:28:36.000 Someone on Twitter today, some trans woman had a black eye and she made some tweet about it.

00:28:43.000 I forget her name.

00:28:43.000 I don't follow her.

00:28:45.000 I just clicked on a link and I found it.

00:28:47.000 And some guy punched her for being a transgender person.

00:28:51.000 Yeah, Kristen Beck was on our podcast on Fighter and Kid and talked about getting beat up just because she walked by some guys. 1.00

00:28:57.000 Seal Team Six Command though, and they had hair from behind, but that's an everyday reality.

00:29:02.000 An everyday reality.

00:29:03.000 And a very, very short time ago, and I'm talking about less than 15 years ago in our lifetime, any of those derogatory words like fag, faggot, making fun of gay people was an acceptable prejudice.

00:29:15.000 You heard it all the time.

00:29:17.000 All of us said it because you just made fun of people.

00:29:20.000 Well, how about, like, you go listen to, like, some old Eddie Murphy.

00:29:24.000 Listen to Eddie Murphy Raw.

00:29:25.000 Oh, my God.

00:29:26.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:29:27.000 Meanwhile...

00:29:28.000 It's, like, really, like, hate speech.

00:29:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:30.000 Meanwhile, he likes...

00:29:31.000 Allegedly.

00:29:33.000 Yeah.

00:29:33.000 Allegedly.

00:29:34.000 Yeah.

00:29:34.000 Well, you know what they say.

00:29:35.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:36.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:37.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:38.000 Well, but, you know, what you're talking about also is like Matthew Arnold, who was this awesome sort of philosopher, romantic, and he said, yes, the United States is the, and forgive me if it's not Matthew Arnold, I'm almost positive, but he says, yes, the United States is a very powerful country with the biggest guns and a roaring stock market and the National Football League.

00:29:56.000 But somewhere along the line, if you embrace all of that, you'll forget to be interesting.

00:30:01.000 And you have to remember as a country, as a society, that you must make place for the gentler spirits.

00:30:08.000 For your artists, for your quote-unquote weirdos.

00:30:11.000 For your dreamers, for your wonderers, and I think that's to our credit, that it does create more beauty, it does create more diversity, it creates more interesting innovation when people who don't have the biggest muscles feel safe,

00:30:28.000 feel like they have a voice, feel like they have somewhere to go if they get beat up.

00:30:33.000 You have a society where muscles and guns, i.e.

00:30:36.000 Rome, i.e.

00:30:37.000 Russia, Yeah, where muscles and guns rule the roost, and that's most of the world, by the way.

00:30:42.000 How about all these guys that are getting beaten up in Russia for being gay?

00:30:45.000 Yeah.

00:30:45.000 It's like really common shit.

00:30:47.000 Exactly.

00:30:47.000 So anytime most societies concern themselves almost exclusively with how to control their populations, whether they do it through sheer force like Russia does, or whether they do it through religion like Saudi Arabia does, those countries essentially practice a form of apartheid.

00:31:05.000 And what I mean by that is that 50% of their population At least, to say nothing of the gay people and the different people and the transgender people, those people are so marginalized and they're wasted because they're put in one place and they're told to do just a couple of things that have been allowed by this male architecture,

00:31:24.000 this male scaffolding that's been put in place and been there forever.

00:31:28.000 And it just stifles spirit.

00:31:31.000 It stifles Ingenuity, creativity, and most of all, it stifles the truth.

00:31:38.000 And in that sense, you know, of course there's a place for these people and these societies have evolved, and there's a lot of great things about Russian society and Saudi society and everything else, but that's an important aspect to keep in mind.

00:31:50.000 That's an important thing, and that's what I think this movement is a positive thing.

00:31:55.000 Well, it's about information.

00:31:57.000 You know, these people have a voice now, and you start thinking of them as people, as opposed to, like, transgender people never had a community before.

00:32:04.000 I mean, how would they have to find other transgender people and hang out with them?

00:32:09.000 It would be very difficult to get that going.

00:32:12.000 You know, now you meet online, you have these forums, you have Twitter and things along those lines.

00:32:17.000 Like, people from any weird, generally marginalized part of society can find a community now.

00:32:25.000 Nick Schwartzen did this joke.

00:32:26.000 I believe it's on his special, so I'm not adding it.

00:32:28.000 He goes, before the internet, if you had a fetish, it kind of sucked because you kind of had to kind of try it out on the person.

00:32:34.000 You'd be at dinner and you'd be like, all right, I'm going to go to the bathroom.

00:32:36.000 Don't do his joke on the air.

00:32:37.000 I think he's already done this.

00:32:38.000 Okay.

00:32:39.000 Yeah.

00:32:40.000 I wouldn't otherwise, but he goes, well, I'm going to go to the bathroom or I could piss on your face. 1.00

00:32:44.000 Just kidding.

00:32:45.000 Just kidding.

00:32:46.000 I was like, that's so fucking true.

00:32:50.000 That's so true.

00:32:50.000 You had to find it.

00:32:51.000 But my feeling with the Caitlyn Jenner thing was only that I kind of felt like there are two things that go on in my mind now with this.

00:33:00.000 One is that I found that he was, she was now, looked like, I have a bit of 35, not 65. That was good Photoshop.

00:33:07.000 Well, you know, the other thing is he underwent a 12-hour surgery to more feminize his face.

00:33:14.000 Apparently, up until now, he preferred the he pronoun.

00:33:18.000 I don't know if he's saying she now.

00:33:20.000 I believe she is.

00:33:21.000 It's Miss Jenner, if you don't mind.

00:33:23.000 She? 0.98

00:33:23.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:33:24.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:33:25.000 I'm saying she.

00:33:26.000 And again, by the way, your face and your tone, I must piggyback because the thing that I resent a little bit...

00:33:35.000 A little bit.

00:33:36.000 He said, I'm not even allowed to think it's a little weird and a little strange.

00:33:39.000 Exactly!

00:33:40.000 And I do find it a little weird and a little strange.

00:33:42.000 Of course it's weird.

00:33:42.000 I'm allowed to.

00:33:42.000 I've known him as Bruce Jenner.

00:33:44.000 And by the way, I wish I had his body because I'd be ridiculous.

00:33:46.000 No, you don't.

00:33:47.000 No, not now.

00:33:48.000 No.

00:33:48.000 Just before.

00:33:49.000 Jesus, even before.

00:33:50.000 Did you ever see him walking around Malibu?

00:33:51.000 It's a disaster.

00:33:52.000 Was it?

00:33:53.000 It's a fucking harbor of neglect.

00:33:55.000 Oh, he didn't.

00:33:55.000 Yeah, but the whole thing is falling apart.

00:33:57.000 He was taking estrogen, dude.

00:33:58.000 Give him a break.

00:33:59.000 How long was he doing that for?

00:34:00.000 Apparently for a very long time.

00:34:02.000 Really?

00:34:02.000 Yes.

00:34:03.000 Like how long?

00:34:03.000 I heard 20 years or something.

00:34:06.000 20 years.

00:34:07.000 Yeah, something crazy.

00:34:08.000 Jesus Christ.

00:34:08.000 He was letting that beautiful machine.

00:34:11.000 He was just putting on a layer of feminine fat, and that's fine. 1.00

00:34:14.000 Whoa.

00:34:15.000 But am I bad?

00:34:16.000 I'm not a bad person.

00:34:17.000 You know I support anybody.

00:34:19.000 I protect him.

00:34:20.000 I protect anybody's right to do what they want like that.

00:34:22.000 But I'm allowed to feel it's a little strange.

00:34:25.000 I'm allowed to kind of go, I have to call him Miss now.

00:34:28.000 Well, he got a boob job, right?

00:34:30.000 Yeah.

00:34:30.000 That's weird.

00:34:31.000 I'm just thinking about it.

00:34:32.000 He's got kids, and I feel for his kids.

00:34:34.000 I'm sure they're accepting or whatever, but it's got to be weird.

00:34:37.000 Even Kristen Beck said, it is weird.

00:34:39.000 I can't even figure it out myself.

00:34:41.000 I don't know.

00:34:43.000 It is weird.

00:34:43.000 It's definitely weird.

00:34:44.000 And I think that anything that you can't make fun of is bullshit.

00:34:49.000 If you can't make fun of it, you can make fun of everything.

00:34:52.000 You can make fun of politics, you can make fun of sex, you can make fun of gender, you can make fun of transgender, you can make fun of everything.

00:34:59.000 Don't say you can't make fun of it, because that's nonsense.

00:35:02.000 Then you're losing out on free speech.

00:35:04.000 And by the way, the best way, the best way to...

00:35:09.000 Marginalize something is to not be allowed to talk about it.

00:35:12.000 You change the thing.

00:35:14.000 You make it a sacred thing.

00:35:16.000 You don't make it a thing that you could talk about and discuss.

00:35:19.000 So you don't even know if the thing that you're talking about, if it's honest.

00:35:22.000 Are we being honest about what is happening here?

00:35:26.000 Because for every person who does everything in life that's weird, there's going to be people that love it, and there's going to be people that hate it.

00:35:34.000 But you don't know what it is until everybody sits down and talks about it.

00:35:37.000 Like, why does this kid want so much fucking attention?

00:35:39.000 Oh, he's an attention whore. 0.84

00:35:41.000 And we figure it out.

00:35:42.000 We all discuss it.

00:35:43.000 When it comes to sexual things, sexual aspects of behavior, then we get ultra super sensitive.

00:35:50.000 We get really sensitive.

00:35:51.000 It's really interesting.

00:35:51.000 Much more sensitive than anything else we do, whether it's behavior, whether it's occupation.

00:35:56.000 When you get down to sexual and gender things, people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:36:00.000 Don't talk about that.

00:36:02.000 You can make fun of lawyers all you want.

00:36:04.000 You're probably going to need lawyers, but you can make all the dead lawyer jokes you fucking want.

00:36:08.000 You could throw lawyers in the bottom of the ocean.

00:36:10.000 You could talk about gunning them all down the streets like dogs.

00:36:13.000 You could be a fucking blogger, like the Huffington Post, and you should say, damn the lawyers, we should gun them down like dogs.

00:36:20.000 And you could say that, and no one is going to get angry at you, and no one's going to march against you, and no one's going to call you lawyer-phobic.

00:36:28.000 There's a blog called Kill All the Lawyers.

00:36:30.000 There you go.

00:36:31.000 Now, imagine if you said, kill all the transgender people. 0.96

00:36:35.000 Like, whoa.

00:36:36.000 What if a transgender dude sucked your dick, and you found out about it, and you were really mad, so you started to blog, kill all the transgenders? 0.99

00:36:44.000 Like, what the fuck, man?

00:36:46.000 No, people would freak out.

00:36:48.000 Because when you want to kill somebody based on sex or gender, if you have anger towards them because of sex or gender, it becomes very charged.

00:36:57.000 Very charged.

00:36:58.000 Did I mention that there was a guy in my acting class who used to dress in drag?

00:37:03.000 Very beautiful.

00:37:04.000 Amazing.

00:37:06.000 Was very elegant and I always...

00:37:08.000 Elegance is a good word for a dude.

00:37:10.000 He was an elegant man and one day he goes, he looked at me and I had done a scene in acting class and he said, that was sexy baby.

00:37:20.000 And I go, oh yeah, you think so?

00:37:22.000 I go, you better watch out.

00:37:23.000 And he goes, you better watch out.

00:37:24.000 I put your dick and balls in my mouth. 1.00

00:37:26.000 Yeah, he told me this.

00:37:28.000 And he just turned on me.

00:37:29.000 I was like, what?

00:37:30.000 I put them all in my mouth.

00:37:34.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:37:34.000 I thought I talked about it on my podcast. 0.71

00:37:36.000 I put your dick and balls in my mouth. 1.00

00:37:38.000 Oh, that's a lot of...

00:37:39.000 That's okay.

00:37:40.000 That's impressive.

00:37:41.000 It's probably hurt my balls, but...

00:37:43.000 Yeah, that wouldn't be comfortable.

00:37:44.000 I don't think so.

00:37:45.000 You'd feel his teeth for sure.

00:37:46.000 His mouth was very normal size, by the way.

00:37:47.000 I took a look.

00:37:48.000 Maybe he's, like, snaky.

00:37:50.000 Yeah.

00:37:50.000 Like, stretched out ligaments or some shit.

00:37:52.000 He ended up being, actually.

00:37:53.000 We dated for a while.

00:37:54.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:37:54.000 See? 0.71

00:37:54.000 How I turned that? 0.71

00:37:55.000 Hey! 0.99

00:37:56.000 What did you just do?

00:37:57.000 But there's a weird charge.

00:38:00.000 Racial hate is very similar in a way. 0.94

00:38:04.000 There's a lot of charge to racial hate, but there's some racial hate you can kind of get away with.

00:38:09.000 Black people can say some pretty nasty shit about white people, and we let it slide. 1.00

00:38:13.000 I saw this guy's Twitter, some Spanish guy.

00:38:17.000 He's a journalist, and he's like, I'm happy when all white shows get canceled. 0.99

00:38:22.000 I'm like, could you imagine if someone said that about black shows?

00:38:25.000 Yeah.

00:38:25.000 You can't.

00:38:26.000 You know, it's because there's enough white shows.

00:38:29.000 But that's also because there's so many white shows.

00:38:29.000 Yeah, because it's an overpopulation.

00:38:31.000 But the point being, it's like, you know, Cain Velasquez has this brown pride shirt or brown pride tattoo.

00:38:38.000 He couldn't have white power on your shirt.

00:38:39.000 He has, well, pride.

00:38:41.000 He has brown pride tattooed on his chest.

00:38:43.000 If you had white pride tattooed on your chest, you would never be able to fight in the UFC. True.

00:38:47.000 It's interesting.

00:38:48.000 You definitely have to explain yourself.

00:38:49.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's wrong, because I think the sentiment behind it is right.

00:38:53.000 The sentiment behind it is that, like, why are you proud about being white? 0.54

00:38:58.000 We're everywhere.

00:38:59.000 Relax.

00:39:00.000 Just relax.

00:39:00.000 We have the power.

00:39:01.000 Exactly.

00:39:02.000 Relax.

00:39:03.000 And why are you upset that he's proud that he's Mexican?

00:39:05.000 Relax.

00:39:06.000 But it's a double standard.

00:39:08.000 It is absolutely a double standard, but it's the correct one. 1.00

00:39:11.000 It's interesting.

00:39:12.000 Yeah.

00:39:14.000 That's why things can't be cut and dry.

00:39:17.000 It can't be the same for everybody.

00:39:19.000 Because it's just not the same for everybody.

00:39:21.000 It's not.

00:39:22.000 And what's interesting is that white, I would imagine, I think when California couldn't pass that proposition on gay marriage, A lot of the opposition came from the black and brown communities, because especially the Latino communities are very religious.

00:39:38.000 Well, Hari Shafir had a great joke about it.

00:39:41.000 Oh, he did?

00:39:41.000 Yeah, he had a great joke about it.

00:39:42.000 He's dead right that African Americans voted, like, it was a disproportionate amount that voted against gay marriage. 1.00

00:39:49.000 Yeah.

00:39:50.000 But, again, that can be grounded in religion, that can be grounded in tradition, all those things.

00:39:55.000 Yeah, fear, you know, but there's a lot of nonsense when it comes to that stuff.

00:40:00.000 And I think all that's, like, again, that's starting to dissolve.

00:40:03.000 I think it's starting to dissolve.

00:40:05.000 And I think even, like, the backlash that people are getting for, you know, like, I guess the UFC is a big one.

00:40:12.000 That's a big target.

00:40:13.000 I hear about that all the time, like the anti-violence aspect of it or anything else that people enjoy that is very violent, whether it's football or any other contact sport.

00:40:22.000 There's a lot of people that really resist it and think that it's detrimental to society.

00:40:27.000 And I think contrary.

00:40:28.000 I think it's actually very good for it.

00:40:30.000 I worry more about whenever you're trying to empower a group of people very vocally and with great energy.

00:40:38.000 Sometimes what I worry about is, and it happens all the time, is you end up being somewhat tyrannical to another group of people.

00:40:46.000 Those people that might not understand what you're doing.

00:40:49.000 Those people that have religious reservations to what you're doing.

00:40:54.000 Or whatever their reasons, or just it doesn't sit right with them, or they think it's weird, or they think it's unnatural.

00:41:00.000 I was talking to a 77-year-old man about this Bruce Jenner thing, and he's a good man.

00:41:05.000 And he goes, it's unnatural.

00:41:07.000 We're celebrating the unnatural.

00:41:08.000 That's what he thought.

00:41:09.000 But it's not unnatural.

00:41:10.000 I'm not saying it is.

00:41:10.000 I'm just saying.

00:41:11.000 But what I'm saying about it is, it occurs enough.

00:41:15.000 Right.

00:41:15.000 So that you know it's not unnatural.

00:41:17.000 It's just unusual.

00:41:18.000 It's a bad argument anyway.

00:41:18.000 I didn't get into it with him.

00:41:19.000 What I'm saying is that everybody has their point of view.

00:41:23.000 And sometimes, for example, I think, if you look at TV and stuff, I actually think we've become very intolerant of male behavior, not just the traditional prototypical masculine behaviors, but sexual behavior as well.

00:41:38.000 So I think a lot of men are really afraid to sound even remotely like they like having sex.

00:41:45.000 A lot with different women, even if they're single, because they'll be called a creep. 0.87

00:41:50.000 They'll be called a scumbag.

00:41:51.000 They'll be called all these things.

00:41:53.000 That used to be something that was actually celebrated.

00:41:56.000 And if you look at TV, a lot of TV shows, especially mainstream TV, If a guy's on that show and he has, I don't know, God forbid he's got a girlfriend and another girlfriend.

00:42:07.000 Forget that.

00:42:07.000 But if he has five different women that he's sleeping with, you don't see that often.

00:42:14.000 You just don't see...

00:42:15.000 Because we know a lot of guys, especially when we were younger, who were that kind of masculine bent that put up a lot of numbers.

00:42:21.000 You don't see...

00:42:22.000 I haven't seen too many of those characters on mainstream TV. And if you do...

00:42:26.000 They are crucified.

00:42:28.000 They're just dirtbags.

00:42:29.000 And I think that's interesting.

00:42:31.000 I don't think that used to be the case as much.

00:42:33.000 I think that a lot of men are afraid to talk about sex the way women have for a long time.

00:42:39.000 Well, it's the same thing.

00:42:40.000 Because women have been more marginalized. 0.85

00:42:42.000 Their sexuality has been more of something to be ashamed of.

00:42:46.000 If they're sluts. 1.00

00:42:47.000 Like, Kim Cattrall from that Sex and the City, she was a very loose woman.

00:42:53.000 She was out there running around all willy-nilly, having sex with a bunch of different gentlemen. 1.00

00:42:58.000 I mean, but that was celebrated.

00:43:00.000 Like, she was empowered.

00:43:01.000 Yeah.

00:43:01.000 Because she was this cougar.

00:43:03.000 She was on top, right?

00:43:04.000 Yeah, she's running around fucking all these guys and sucking their dicks in bathrooms, doing a bunch of dirty, naughty shit, and it was great. 1.00

00:43:11.000 But if there was a show about a guy who did that with a bunch of women and then thought less of the women after he was done with them, you would go, what a piece of shit.

00:43:19.000 That's what I mean.

00:43:19.000 He wants to watch this show.

00:43:21.000 Yeah.

00:43:21.000 So what a woman could do by getting done with guys, fucking them and tossing them aside, no one cares.

00:43:27.000 There's virtually no backlash whatsoever.

00:43:30.000 But if a man has the exact same behavior, he's a piece of shit.

00:43:34.000 It's fascinating.

00:43:36.000 It is fascinating.

00:43:37.000 Because with the woman, we're essentially watching like a superhero. 0.99

00:43:40.000 We're watching a woman who's turned the tables. 1.00

00:43:42.000 Now, she's the predator and the men are the prey.

00:43:45.000 Yeah, you go, girl.

00:43:47.000 You get them.

00:43:48.000 And after they're done, throw their phone away.

00:43:51.000 Delete all of their text messages from your phone.

00:43:54.000 Delete their number and never call them again.

00:43:56.000 Fuck him.

00:43:58.000 Move on, girl. 1.00

00:43:59.000 She becomes this...

00:44:01.000 If a woman did that to a man, he'd be like, oh, wow. 0.99

00:44:04.000 Or a man did that to a woman. 1.00

00:44:05.000 He'd be like, God, what a dick that guy is.

00:44:07.000 But again, that's artificial.

00:44:09.000 That's not natural.

00:44:10.000 That's kind of a lie, too.

00:44:12.000 That's kind of where...

00:44:12.000 It's not.

00:44:13.000 There's girls out there like that. 1.00

00:44:14.000 Of course there are.

00:44:14.000 I'm saying that when that's kind of like...

00:44:18.000 When it's suggested that that's how women really are, all of all women, you go, well, we're a lot more complicated than that.

00:44:24.000 And not really.

00:44:25.000 Well, I think...

00:44:26.000 If I had a friend that got done over by a girl like Kim Cattrall and she never called back, I would laugh my dick off. 1.00

00:44:33.000 I would think it would be so funny.

00:44:34.000 I would talk to him about it every day.

00:44:35.000 I'd be like, so she never called you again?

00:44:37.000 Never called you, she just dumped you? 0.86

00:44:39.000 Like, it would be funny to guys.

00:44:40.000 Guys would laugh about it.

00:44:41.000 Sure, I've had it done to me!

00:44:42.000 I had it done to myself, to me, maybe three times, one by a pretty famous woman.

00:44:46.000 And I was like, excuse me?

00:44:50.000 I was like, how dare you?

00:44:52.000 You don't want more of this?

00:44:54.000 They get tired of you, man.

00:44:55.000 They get tired of your bullshit.

00:44:56.000 That's normal, too.

00:44:57.000 Or they just got tired of me in general, in bed.

00:45:00.000 To get back to that Bruce Jenner thing, the Caitlyn, whatever he's going to call himself.

00:45:05.000 Call him Cal Herb.

00:45:07.000 I don't even know how much is true and how much is not true, because I was listening to this radio show and they were talking about how he underwent a 12-hour surgery to change his face, more feminize it.

00:45:16.000 I do not know if that is the truth or not.

00:45:19.000 But, who cares?

00:45:21.000 That's my take on it.

00:45:22.000 My take on it is, I think it's cute.

00:45:25.000 I think, you know, let him do whatever he wants to do.

00:45:27.000 I mean, he's not interesting to me.

00:45:29.000 He's not interesting to me.

00:45:30.000 Isn't he getting the Arthur Ashe Award at the ESPYs for Courage?

00:45:36.000 Okay.

00:45:37.000 Well, it's kind of courageous, but it's not like it's not a person that's been seeking attention by any means necessary for a long time.

00:45:44.000 It's not like we're now talking about a guy who was on a reality show for a long fucking time.

00:45:47.000 That's what I mean.

00:45:47.000 And now this is a reality show.

00:45:49.000 Well, it's also...

00:45:49.000 It's like we're not being honest about...

00:45:52.000 The gentleman in question.

00:45:54.000 Exactly.

00:45:55.000 Or the woman in question.

00:45:56.000 So that's what I felt when I saw him on the cover of Vanity Fair with that airbrushed and everything.

00:46:01.000 I went, more power to you if you want to do that, but that feels a little bit like spectacle.

00:46:07.000 Yeah.

00:46:07.000 I mean, what does he do?

00:46:08.000 He just lives this nonsense life on television.

00:46:12.000 I mean, this is a guy that we're celebrating.

00:46:15.000 The only thing that's interesting is that he doesn't want to be a man anymore.

00:46:19.000 That's the interesting aspect of him.

00:46:20.000 Everything outside of that is not interesting.

00:46:22.000 He lives this really bizarre life.

00:46:25.000 I just can't imagine anybody who didn't need it want to live like that.

00:46:29.000 When you have a microscope up your ass on this weird show, and you're living out these false scenarios that are planned by producers.

00:46:38.000 So, today, we went to try to figure out what's wrong with the washing machine.

00:46:42.000 The fuck you did?

00:46:43.000 You know?

00:46:44.000 This is all nonsense.

00:46:45.000 You know it's nonsense.

00:46:46.000 So this guy's been on this nonsense show for X amount of years, just...

00:46:51.000 It's a really bizarre way to put yourself out there, right?

00:46:57.000 And then he decides that he's a woman, and that becomes the most interesting aspect of him.

00:47:02.000 Way more interesting than anything that he had ever done before, other than win the gold medal in the decathlon.

00:47:08.000 He was a great athlete.

00:47:09.000 But nobody cared.

00:47:11.000 Everybody wanted to pay attention to his daughter.

00:47:13.000 Everybody wanted to pay attention to the mom. 0.85

00:47:15.000 And Bruce Jenner was this poor, sad character that was hanging around the show that I always just think was emasculated.

00:47:22.000 I love that bit you do.

00:47:25.000 The new bit?

00:47:25.000 Dude.

00:47:26.000 Don't tell anybody.

00:47:27.000 I won't, but he did a bit.

00:47:29.000 By the way, thanks for opening for me.

00:47:31.000 My boy Joe Rogan drives all the way down on No Sleep and opened both shows for me.

00:47:36.000 Talk about a friend.

00:47:37.000 Meanwhile, that bit, I had to go on and do an hour after you, and I was like, that is a hell of a bit.

00:47:45.000 Oh, thanks, man.

00:47:46.000 Dude!

00:47:46.000 It's better today.

00:47:47.000 I knew, because it's so new, and I wonder what this is going to really turn into.

00:47:52.000 It's good.

00:47:54.000 I enjoy doing it, because it's got so much going on to it.

00:47:56.000 It took me out of my show, but it helped me, too.

00:47:58.000 I'd rather watch this right now.

00:48:00.000 That was fun.

00:48:02.000 The taping of your show was excellent.

00:48:03.000 It went well.

00:48:04.000 It was really fun.

00:48:05.000 Thanks, everybody, for coming down.

00:48:06.000 It was so cool.

00:48:09.000 So, back to the Bruce Jenner thing.

00:48:11.000 I think if it encourages more people to do that, if that's their real calling, great.

00:48:17.000 Great.

00:48:17.000 I know people that change genders and they're very happy.

00:48:21.000 That's totally possible.

00:48:23.000 It's totally possible.

00:48:24.000 The biggest thing, too, is that apparently the suicide rate for kids who feel this way is very high.

00:48:29.000 Like, according to Kristen Beck, it's 45% of something crazy.

00:48:33.000 Fuck, man.

00:48:33.000 Yeah.

00:48:34.000 Fuck.

00:48:35.000 It's just hard.

00:48:36.000 It's hard to be a normal person.

00:48:39.000 Hard to be a person like a normal white male in America who's not poor.

00:48:46.000 Just a normal middle of the world person.

00:48:48.000 It's very difficult.

00:48:49.000 So imagine being marginalized.

00:48:53.000 I mean, imagine.

00:48:54.000 Just imagine.

00:48:55.000 Already there are just a group of people you've never met who hate your guts.

00:48:58.000 And actually some who would actually kill you.

00:49:01.000 Well, you can feel that.

00:49:03.000 There's certain neighborhoods where you can go in there as a white man, and you'll be a victim. 0.65

00:49:07.000 You'll be like an instant victim.

00:49:09.000 They'll target you.

00:49:10.000 I mean, there's parts of the world where that's absolutely true.

00:49:13.000 There's parts of America, I'm sure, where that's absolutely true. 0.86

00:49:15.000 But overwhelmingly, you got it easy as fuck.

00:49:18.000 Easy as fuck.

00:49:19.000 So, when you have it easy as fuck, sometimes I think it's easy to take for granted someone who doesn't.

00:49:24.000 Not necessarily saying that Bruce Jenner didn't have it easy.

00:49:26.000 Because, you know, you watch him on that show, he's not struggling.

00:49:29.000 He's just being weird.

00:49:30.000 No.

00:49:30.000 You know, but there's people in this world that are going through all sorts of pain for no fault of their own.

00:49:39.000 They're just born in a shitty household.

00:49:41.000 They're just born with the wrong human beings guarding over them and raising them and communicating with them and they're fucked from birth. 0.59

00:49:48.000 And that's something that nobody wants to admit.

00:49:51.000 Well, that's also kind of always how I've looked at things where I was born on third base and told to run home.

00:49:58.000 You know, I'm a white American male in 2015 who gets paid and good looking.

00:50:03.000 I got a ridiculous jawline, shredded, and I get paid to make people laugh.

00:50:08.000 I mean, I get paid to make people laugh and I'm healthy.

00:50:11.000 What's attractive about people that have a situation like that is that you're appreciating it.

00:50:18.000 When we talk to comics that whine about how many shows they have to do or that they can't get the sitcom made or they can't...

00:50:26.000 Man, it's fucking business.

00:50:27.000 I'm just tired.

00:50:28.000 Fucking agents.

00:50:29.000 I have those conversations with people.

00:50:30.000 I'm like, you're exhausting.

00:50:31.000 Lack of perspective.

00:50:33.000 You're exhausting.

00:50:34.000 Pick up a history book or a newspaper.

00:50:36.000 Also, I think people are in this weird position.

00:50:39.000 Actors are perpetually in this position.

00:50:42.000 And comics are in this position to a certain extent because they want to have sitcoms and things along those lines.

00:50:46.000 You have to be chosen.

00:50:48.000 You have to be chosen.

00:50:50.000 You have to be chosen.

00:50:52.000 Someone has to say, I'm going to hire Brian Callen for my show and we're going to make him a star.

00:50:57.000 Whereas, what's going on now, for the first time ever, is people are doing podcasts that are turning them into famous people.

00:51:05.000 You guys are famous from that fucking podcast.

00:51:08.000 It's crazy.

00:51:08.000 The Fighter and the Kid is a giant podcast.

00:51:10.000 Yeah.

00:51:11.000 I mean, you were already famous before that, and Shaub is already famous for the UFC, but there's a coalescence.

00:51:17.000 There's this crazy energy behind you guys in that show that I see all the time.

00:51:23.000 When I was opening for you on your show, when you were filming your comedy special, the audience was filled with those Fighter and the Kid shirts.

00:51:31.000 Crazy.

00:51:31.000 I saw, I don't know how many I saw, but I saw all the different models, all the different ones you have.

00:51:36.000 And so I think what a guy like you gets to do that a lot of guys don't have that opportunity is you get to just be yourself.

00:51:47.000 You get to be yourself.

00:51:48.000 That's right.

00:51:48.000 And you don't have to worry about the decisions of these other people that are trying to cast you or no deals to me.

00:51:55.000 That's where all the frustration seems to come from.

00:51:57.000 Those guys, it's all about dealing with other people.

00:51:59.000 Yeah.

00:52:00.000 And that's what acting is all the time.

00:52:02.000 What acting is all the time is getting chosen.

00:52:04.000 Yeah.

00:52:05.000 When you can become autonomous- And saying somebody else's words, wearing somebody else's clothes in somebody else's story.

00:52:11.000 If you can become autonomous and you can get away from anybody else's opinions and ideas that they have to throw them into the soup, then you're truly responsible for your own work.

00:52:21.000 And when you're truly responsible for whatever the fuck you're actually doing, then you have a totally different kind of connection to it.

00:52:27.000 So these guys, they get angry about the business, about the way the business is changing in a weird way.

00:52:33.000 If you enjoy being a comic, you really don't have to do anything else anymore.

00:52:39.000 Back in the day, it was just like, boy, I hope I can keep this comedy thing afloat until I get that sitcom.

00:52:45.000 Everybody wanted to get that sitcom.

00:52:46.000 Remember that?

00:52:47.000 Yeah, that's all anybody wanted.

00:52:48.000 I know.

00:52:49.000 It was the end of the Holy Grail.

00:52:50.000 We would get mad when actors would fake it.

00:52:53.000 You know, actors would put together some bullshit, fucking generic act.

00:52:56.000 Yeah.

00:52:57.000 And you knew that all they had was this seven minutes that they were faking to try to get on a sitcom.

00:53:02.000 Yep.

00:53:02.000 And everybody was like, yeah, he's an actor.

00:53:04.000 He's just an actor.

00:53:05.000 He's an actor faking it.

00:53:06.000 We had these weird distinctions.

00:53:09.000 But the guy's up there doing stand-up with some stand-up that he wrote, but nope, nope, he's faking.

00:53:14.000 Nah, he's faking.

00:53:15.000 It's for acting.

00:53:15.000 It's just for acting.

00:53:17.000 Like the end result.

00:53:18.000 Well, you would get these people that would go up there and do that, and you really could see that they were like Tom Hanks in Punchline.

00:53:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:27.000 Yeah.

00:53:27.000 They're like acting like a stand-up.

00:53:30.000 But then it's like, well, who the fuck should you be able to make...

00:53:33.000 Who are you to make that distinction?

00:53:35.000 Yeah.

00:53:35.000 You know, why should you be able to make the distinction?

00:53:37.000 Funny's funny.

00:53:37.000 Funny's funny, right?

00:53:39.000 So how can you decide that he's not a real stand-up because he...

00:53:43.000 Wanted to put together seven minutes you used to always tell me to stand up I worked so hard at acting remember how hard like I'd be in class and I just worked at it and I would do scenes and I would cry and I And then I just I don't know man.

00:53:56.000 It's what happened is I just when I got a taste of real stand-up Mm-hmm and then with the podcast and then I was like man I gotta go where I got to drive where and sit on a set for how long would do five minutes of acting it's if people saw how movies are made I think they'd have a lot less reference for the entire process.

00:54:15.000 If people saw how Cole was pulled out of the ground, I think they'd appreciate it more.

00:54:19.000 I agree.

00:54:20.000 Than just going and buying it.

00:54:22.000 That's right.

00:54:22.000 Cole would be on the cover of People magazine.

00:54:25.000 Yeah, it's just I don't enjoy the process.

00:54:27.000 I don't enjoy the process and I don't enjoy some of the actors.

00:54:30.000 I've met a lot of actors that are cool as fuck.

00:54:32.000 But there's a lot of them that are a lot of fucking work.

00:54:35.000 Like a brutal amount of work.

00:54:38.000 Communicating with them is very frustrating.

00:54:40.000 And they're stressed out all the time.

00:54:42.000 They're in this thing where they're always trying to get approved.

00:54:46.000 They're always trying to get cast.

00:54:48.000 And you've got to create a network that way.

00:54:50.000 You have to.

00:54:51.000 You know, you're selling yourself.

00:54:53.000 And it's not easy.

00:54:54.000 And you're selling yourself as being exactly like everybody else.

00:54:57.000 I mean, there's like a hum that they all have.

00:55:01.000 They all have the same frequency hum.

00:55:05.000 They try to stay on that frequency.

00:55:07.000 They don't vary because they want those jobs.

00:55:09.000 They want to be...

00:55:10.000 They don't even have their own political opinions a lot of the times.

00:55:13.000 They just absorb this left-wing ideology that seems to be floating around Hollywood.

00:55:18.000 Yep.

00:55:19.000 Yep.

00:55:19.000 I know.

00:55:20.000 It's a weird place, man.

00:55:21.000 It's a weird place.

00:55:23.000 But I think it's fucking changing in a big way, man.

00:55:26.000 What was the internet?

00:55:27.000 Podcasting?

00:55:28.000 I think everything's changing.

00:55:29.000 I think we're going to look back.

00:55:31.000 I think we're in the middle of the storm, and I don't think we quite realize how significant some of the changes in culture have been.

00:55:38.000 Well, they always say that when people are in an epoch, when they're in a changing movement, like...

00:55:43.000 People who were coming into the Renaissance didn't know they were in the Renaissance, didn't call it the Renaissance, didn't know that there was something called the Renaissance or that they were even in the Dark Ages before that.

00:55:54.000 So there are countless examples of that where this is the most important date.

00:55:57.000 They weren't aware of that.

00:55:58.000 They weren't aware of the Bronze Age, then the Metal Age and all that.

00:56:02.000 So you're living your life and those kinds of forces and trends and movements are more subtle than that.

00:56:10.000 Yeah, I think this one, though, is so crazy that it reveals a lot about the nature of recognition.

00:56:18.000 Meaning, like, recognizing when things are weird.

00:56:21.000 Because I don't think we're recognizing it nearly as much as it deserves.

00:56:25.000 What do you mean?

00:56:26.000 Well, I think that people get used to things.

00:56:29.000 It's like if you go, like, Justin Wren, the UFC fighter.

00:56:33.000 He's been on this podcast a bunch of times.

00:56:34.000 He does the Fight for Forgotten.

00:56:36.000 Foundation that he created to go and build wells for the pygmies, you know, he goes down there and builds these pygmies these wells just a great guy But those folks who live there that is their life and that is what they're used to just like when we were on that Prince Edward Prince of Wales Island That was our life for those five days. 0.79

00:56:54.000 Yeah, that's one of the reasons why when I came back here it felt so good to realize that This feeling of sun on your face is very pleasurable.

00:57:02.000 This feeling of being around people and having, you know, the convenience of grocery stores and restaurants that are good and comedy clubs and all the good aspects that a city provides.

00:57:13.000 It made me, like, acutely aware of that.

00:57:16.000 Because being in that environment, that could be light.

00:57:20.000 You adapt to that.

00:57:22.000 People are super adaptative.

00:57:24.000 Adaptative?

00:57:25.000 Adaptive?

00:57:26.000 Why does that look wrong?

00:57:27.000 Adaptation.

00:57:28.000 Adaptative.

00:57:29.000 No, it is adaptive.

00:57:31.000 Yeah, but people are really really adaptive.

00:57:34.000 We can change and we can morph and we can and I think in Some ways we're not aware of when it's happening It just becomes a normal life like text messages and photos and being able to Google things becomes normal but I think historians When they look back on the era between 1994 and 2015,

00:57:56.000 they will see a tornado of information.

00:58:01.000 They will see an unprecedented amount of data that's being passed back and forth to the point where at the end, at the very end of the line, 2015, more data gets done in like an hour, more data gets passed by in 24 hours than the entire history of the human race.

00:58:21.000 Just stop and think about that.

00:58:23.000 It's incredible.

00:58:23.000 The entire history of the human race, that's how much data we produce every day.

00:58:31.000 You're talking about the movement of information.

00:58:34.000 By the way, I don't know if those numbers are exactly correct.

00:58:38.000 It might be like two days or one day.

00:58:39.000 Whatever the fuck it is.

00:58:40.000 It's some insanely small amount of time that represents the entire history of human beings writing things down.

00:58:47.000 Most of it's bullshit.

00:58:49.000 Most of it's Facebook messages and text messages and tweets.

00:58:52.000 But the bottom line is, it's exchanges.

00:58:56.000 Okay, it might be nonsensical social exchanges that don't mean anything, LOL, WUT. It might be bullshit.

00:59:03.000 It might be Instagram pictures of your ass in yoga pants. 0.87

00:59:05.000 It might be nonsense.

00:59:07.000 But in that nonsense, there's an unprecedented amount of tweets.

00:59:12.000 That are leading people to check out articles, that are leading people to maybe reform opinions or reconsider preconceived notions, and then you'll start reading comments, how other people agree or disagree, and you start communicating with each other, and an unprecedented sort of exchange is taking place.

00:59:31.000 I just don't think we noticed it.

00:59:33.000 Most people noticed it because it just happened while we were alive.

00:59:36.000 It's also humanizing a lot of those experiences.

00:59:39.000 So I think when you frame, for example, this Bruce Jenner thing, when you frame it like, and people really do understand it, when you frame it when somebody says, listen, Not only have I always felt this way, but the overwhelming evidence is that anybody or most people who become transgender or go through gender reassignment surgery,

00:59:57.000 if you look at how they always felt, if you ask them, they always felt this way, kind of like the way somebody who is gay generally, usually will say, I've always been attracted to the same sex.

01:00:09.000 So when you frame it that way and you see it and you see a person that, you know, is very real to you and acting the way everybody else does, it's hard not to empathize.

01:00:18.000 It's hard not to have compassion.

01:00:20.000 So that, in that sense, information is nudging us all.

01:00:25.000 Together all closer at least at least I think it you're right.

01:00:29.000 We are becoming nicer more gentle more understanding.

01:00:33.000 Yeah, we're becoming more aware of our Of our similarities as opposed to differences.

01:00:38.000 Yeah focusing on our differences.

01:00:40.000 Yeah, I think the similarities What's what's super important like the core the core process is how we treat each other.

01:00:48.000 That's like what's super important and If we're treating each other in a negative way simply because of some ideas that we might have on Who a person should or shouldn't be whether or not you should sleep with men like that's that's one of the best ones like the or whether or not I retweeted something from the 1930s I believe it was where a woman was going to jail for being a lesbian and It's a crazy picture.

01:01:17.000 Jamie, see if you can pull it up.

01:01:19.000 It's on my Twitter feed somewhere, not that far down.

01:01:24.000 It's from Old Pix Archives.

01:01:26.000 It's from 1940, when it was a crime to be a homosexual.

01:01:31.000 And this woman, you know, they're giving her a mugshot for being a lesbian. 1.00

01:01:36.000 It's like, just think about that.

01:01:38.000 That's not that long ago, man.

01:01:40.000 What was that, 75 years ago?

01:01:41.000 Look at that.

01:01:42.000 That's horrible.

01:01:43.000 Yeah.

01:01:43.000 That's scary to think of, man.

01:01:46.000 That's how fucked up people can be.

01:01:49.000 That's how ignorant people can be.

01:01:50.000 It hasn't been that long.

01:01:52.000 It hasn't been that long since we've had civilization.

01:01:55.000 No.

01:01:56.000 It's only been a few thousand years.

01:01:58.000 The civilization they had a few thousand years ago, too, by the way, you can keep it.

01:02:03.000 Yeah, you can keep it.

01:02:03.000 You mean before anesthesia?

01:02:05.000 Antibiotics?

01:02:06.000 How about the fucking Romans, all the horrible shit that you heard people did back then in war?

01:02:10.000 And that's a really interesting point because the Romans and the Mongols... 0.98

01:02:15.000 You know, back then it was an excuse enough just to say, I'm stronger, I own you.

01:02:20.000 Oh, and by the way, slavery was the order of the day. 0.97

01:02:24.000 You took human beings as property.

01:02:25.000 Always.

01:02:26.000 Nowadays, what's interesting is that when any country does something that's bad...

01:02:32.000 Russia and Ukraine couldn't just say they were trying to annex territory.

01:02:37.000 They justify what they were doing, the Putin regime justifies what they're doing, on the idea that, look, we're just protecting our Russian people that are there.

01:02:48.000 No matter who you're talking to, no matter what country you're talking to, no matter Syria, when they're bombing the rebels, whatever, Syria, the Assad regime will talk about the fact that they are protecting a lot of different communities in a very diverse country.

01:03:01.000 Et cetera, et cetera.

01:03:02.000 And what I think is interesting is that with so many people watching, anybody who's doing anything that could be considered violent, murderous, bad in general, must be justified along moral grounds.

01:03:17.000 It's no longer allowed to say, we're fucking taking over your country because we're Roman and Romans are better.

01:03:24.000 That used to be all the excuse they needed.

01:03:27.000 We're Romans.

01:03:28.000 We have a right to...

01:03:30.000 To everything we can see.

01:03:32.000 It belongs to us because we are superior, and everyone else is not.

01:03:38.000 So they can either die, get out of the way, or be our slaves.

01:03:42.000 Well, that was the only way you survived back then, is if you were the stronger one with that attitude, because that was the attitude that you were going to encounter.

01:03:51.000 Like, what the Mongols did when they found a new civilization. 0.87

01:03:54.000 Like, when they found the Pope, the first contact with the Pope was saying, we're aware that you weren't aware, but this is the Great Khan. 0.88

01:04:01.000 The Great Khan runs everything, so you're going to have to pay some fucking tribute and bow down, or you're all dead.

01:04:07.000 Like, that's it.

01:04:08.000 That's how it goes.

01:04:09.000 And that was what they did.

01:04:10.000 They believed they ruled over everything on the earth.

01:04:13.000 Like, they didn't have a territory.

01:04:15.000 What territory?

01:04:16.000 What?

01:04:17.000 The whole thing.

01:04:17.000 They wanted the whole earth.

01:04:20.000 And that was the standard operational behavior of, like, the classic marauders from 1,000 to...

01:04:26.000 I mean, that was the 1200s.

01:04:28.000 Imagine what was, like, 1,000 years before that, where they were really savages, or 2,000 years before that.

01:04:32.000 But it raises questions about whether this stuff is endemic to human beings.

01:04:36.000 Like, they were doing a study on chimps.

01:04:39.000 And they have a lot of evidence, they've already seen it, but they have a lot of evidence even like from past chimps that, you know, different, when they study different areas and communities, that a group of large, a large group of males will come in and overrun a smaller group of males in an isolated area and kill all of them.

01:04:57.000 Beat the fucking shit out of them.

01:04:59.000 Kill them.

01:05:01.000 Come in and either kill their kids or, you know, have sex with the women. 1.00

01:05:05.000 Very human-like behavior.

01:05:07.000 Very typical.

01:05:08.000 And it used to be that the idea that human beings were violent like that was because we didn't know any better and that it wasn't a natural impulse.

01:05:17.000 In fact, we're not naturally violent because kids aren't.

01:05:21.000 And so that's a learned behavior.

01:05:23.000 Problem is, you see that kind of behavior in the animal world.

01:05:27.000 You see it among dolphins and you see it among chimps.

01:05:31.000 And you certainly see it in spades in indigenous cultures that have had very little contact with other cultures, have not shared information with other cultures.

01:05:41.000 Well, if there's no civilization, if you don't have an infrastructure, if you don't have food that's coming in, then you have struggle.

01:05:48.000 And when you have struggle, you have danger.

01:05:50.000 When you have danger, you have people that are going to take advantage of people that are weaker than them, and you have a breakdown of what we consider civilization.

01:06:00.000 And when you get into these really rural communities, the further and further back in time, the more and more prevalent that shit's gonna be.

01:06:08.000 That's the way people behave.

01:06:09.000 Scarcity also changes the way your brain behaves.

01:06:12.000 Of course, you get competitive.

01:06:14.000 It gets super dangerous.

01:06:15.000 I think that people are capable of amazing feats of kindness, and people are awesome to be around, and people are also un-fucking- believably evil.

01:06:25.000 Like, if you look at that ISIS video, I didn't watch it, but it was described to me, of the Jordanian pilot who's lit on fire.

01:06:32.000 They did it in slow-mo from different angles.

01:06:35.000 I mean, they filmed it.

01:06:36.000 They set it up.

01:06:37.000 They set up a shot, and then they filmed this guy getting burned to death.

01:06:41.000 The fact that people are capable of that kind of cruelty to each other, and at the same time, there's selfless people that are out there like Justin Wren, who's living with the pygmies in the Congo, and he's digging wells for them.

01:06:54.000 Well, they always say human beings, not all day, but the book, Our Inner Ape, the author says that we are a bipolar ape.

01:07:01.000 Yeah.

01:07:02.000 We're a bipolar ape capable of incredible cruelty and incredible kindness, incredible acts of destruction, incredible acts of beauty.

01:07:08.000 And that is called the problem of humanity.

01:07:12.000 That is exactly what we are.

01:07:15.000 We're also in this constant state of struggle.

01:07:17.000 And I think one of the things that people are...

01:07:20.000 Like the negative push that I totally understand against masculine thinking and masculine behavior is that...

01:07:28.000 We're moving towards this more aware, more sensitive, more or kind society.

01:07:34.000 And the further you move away from those roots of the ancient barbarians, the better off we're going to be. 1.00

01:07:41.000 Maybe.

01:07:42.000 Maybe.

01:07:43.000 But I would also suggest that male aggression... 0.89

01:07:48.000 I like how you're fucking playing with your belt.

01:07:51.000 I'm playing with my belt as I'm talking about this.

01:07:53.000 I don't fuck around.

01:07:54.000 Male aggression.

01:07:55.000 That's like a classic storyteller.

01:07:57.000 It's funny how I did that.

01:07:57.000 Naturally, too.

01:07:59.000 I'll tell you what, boys.

01:08:00.000 Tell you something.

01:08:01.000 Pull up a chair, boys.

01:08:02.000 How many guys do that?

01:08:03.000 They pull up their belt when they're about to tell you something serious.

01:08:05.000 Listen, here.

01:08:06.000 Don Frye.

01:08:07.000 Let me tell you what.

01:08:08.000 That's a man's man. 0.97

01:08:09.000 That's a man's man. 0.97

01:08:10.000 Saw him yesterday.

01:08:10.000 I was obsessed.

01:08:13.000 But I think masculine aggression has also given us so many of the goodies.

01:08:19.000 You want to go through the list of heaps of fresh vegetables in the middle of the wintertime.

01:08:25.000 All the inventions that push us beyond our biology.

01:08:29.000 It takes, it requires a little aggression, I think, sometimes, and even, God forbid I say it, competition, ruthless competition.

01:08:40.000 That's how things progress.

01:08:41.000 The problem with that is that people are going to lose, and people don't like losing because they think losing is a bad feeling.

01:08:46.000 So they think of competition and competitive people as being negative.

01:08:49.000 Okay, so that's my worry about the feminization, quote-unquote, of our society. 0.53

01:08:56.000 I think that we have to be very careful that we don't forget the positive aspects of what you'd call...

01:09:06.000 Unoriginal macho energy!

01:09:07.000 I think the problem is that it's not masculine energy that's a problem that people are upset about.

01:09:12.000 I think it gets misconstrued.

01:09:14.000 I think the problem that we all have is with assholes.

01:09:18.000 That is the problem across the board, whether it's women or it's men. 1.00

01:09:21.000 When you see like these crazy radical feminists who attack speakers because they, you know, want to support men's rights and Divorce court and whatever the fucking reason is that the really aggressive like this is archetypal video of this super aggressive Feminist outside of this thing in Toronto and she's got red hair and she's screaming at people like what she wants and what she doesn't want for men and when they can shut the fuck up and you know and and she's telling people in the audience shut the fuck up the people that exist 1.00

01:09:52.000 like that then they become the problem because Because the problem is not like the idea that women deserve everything that men deserve and that we should have equal treatment by law.

01:10:01.000 The problem is assholes.

01:10:03.000 Yeah.

01:10:04.000 Is assholes representing a point of view that I probably don't disagree with.

01:10:07.000 Yeah.

01:10:08.000 But I disagree with her.

01:10:09.000 Right.

01:10:09.000 And I disagree with someone who is generalizing about an entire gender.

01:10:13.000 Mm-hmm.

01:10:13.000 Because that's ridiculous.

01:10:14.000 Of course it is.

01:10:15.000 Or generalizing about a type of person that is in that gender.

01:10:19.000 Mm-hmm.

01:10:19.000 Like, you can't.

01:10:20.000 Everybody is entitled to start from zero.

01:10:24.000 And as soon as you're prejudiced, whether you're prejudiced against white people, or whether you're prejudiced against men, or whether you're prejudiced against gays or transgenders or whatever the fuck it is, as soon as you stop treating that person and you come at them from a totally even spot,

01:10:41.000 then you're the asshole. 0.93

01:10:43.000 Right.

01:10:43.000 And I would suggest that, you know, we benefit also and enjoy a lot about life based on people who created things whose motives, their motives, may have been less than stellar.

01:10:56.000 Sure.

01:10:58.000 It's done by just pure ego, domination, greed, and those things do not always create bad things.

01:11:06.000 In fact, a lot of times they create incredible innovations, better ways to do things.

01:11:12.000 What's another word for innovation?

01:11:14.000 Another word for innovation is destruction.

01:11:16.000 You're destroying how people used to do it.

01:11:20.000 When we came up with The internal combustion engine and put it in a vehicle and turn it into a car.

01:11:27.000 People that made a lot of money making buggy whips went out of fucking business.

01:11:33.000 Because I don't need your fucking buggy whip because my car doesn't respond to buggy whips. 0.99

01:11:38.000 It responds to what I call rock oil, which turned out to be oil.

01:11:42.000 So that's the other thing to keep in mind.

01:11:45.000 Innovation is...

01:11:47.000 It's an aggressive thing.

01:11:50.000 It's competition.

01:11:51.000 It's destruction.

01:11:52.000 Well, you know, we deal with that all the time with businesses, right?

01:11:55.000 When businesses start to get pressure in the marketplace from other outside businesses, and you deal with this weird thing that happens with commerce.

01:12:06.000 You know, it becomes this gigantic contest, and some aspects of it we feel like we need to save.

01:12:12.000 Like, that's what happens in the banking business.

01:12:14.000 Right, they go to the government and say, don't let us fail.

01:12:16.000 Well, what's really interesting to me is, like, there's people that got bailouts, right?

01:12:20.000 Like, who got bailouts?

01:12:22.000 Almost all the banks.

01:12:23.000 Almost all the banks.

01:12:23.000 Goldman Sachs, etc.

01:12:24.000 Were there other businesses that got bailouts as well, or just banks?

01:12:28.000 The car industry was bailed out as well.

01:12:32.000 Turned out, both cases, by the way, turned out to be success stories to an extent.

01:12:36.000 They really did.

01:12:37.000 They made the money, and while GM especially has made some amazing fucking cars, but I always respected that Ford didn't take any money.

01:12:46.000 They were doing well enough, and I don't remember why.

01:12:49.000 They make the best trucks.

01:12:50.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:12:51.000 Yeah, Ford pickup trucks, they sell a lot of fucking trucks, dude.

01:12:55.000 Everywhere you go, you go to like a hunting ranch, or you go to like cattle ranches, they drive those fucking F-150s.

01:13:00.000 Those things are bulletproof.

01:13:02.000 Also, what bankrupt a lot of those companies were their pension plans.

01:13:05.000 So you would retire, they'd pay medical benefits for your entire family for the rest of your life, and you got 95% of your salary.

01:13:11.000 Here's the payoff.

01:13:14.000 So what is the money?

01:13:16.000 549 billion?

01:13:17.000 That's how much they got?

01:13:18.000 Keep in mind, everybody!

01:13:19.000 What the fuck is that?

01:13:21.000 A billion seconds is 33 years, roughly.

01:13:24.000 So that's how much a billion dollars is.

01:13:26.000 Yeah, but they're not giving them seconds, they're giving them dollars.

01:13:28.000 That's what I mean.

01:13:30.000 So 549, is that what it was?

01:13:32.000 549 billion?

01:13:33.000 That is insane!

01:13:35.000 That hurts.

01:13:36.000 I believe the banks paid off that money, though.

01:13:38.000 I'm sorry if I'm wrong.

01:13:39.000 Look at those numbers.

01:13:41.000 For the most part, they all paid it off.

01:13:42.000 The government made a lot of money off that deal.

01:13:43.000 Really?

01:13:44.000 Yes, because they got interest.

01:13:45.000 Wow.

01:13:45.000 So they made actually a lot more money.

01:13:47.000 No shit.

01:13:48.000 Yep.

01:13:48.000 The banks paid back.

01:13:49.000 What do they do with the money that they earned, that they got from it?

01:13:53.000 What happens to that?

01:13:54.000 They paid it back with interest.

01:13:55.000 No, no, no.

01:13:56.000 I mean the government.

01:13:57.000 What does the government do with that money?

01:13:58.000 I don't really know.

01:14:00.000 They don't give it back to the people that pay the taxes, do they?

01:14:02.000 It does things like builds roads and things, I guess.

01:14:05.000 Maybe.

01:14:05.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:14:05.000 They don't have to account for it.

01:14:07.000 It's the most ridiculous system ever.

01:14:08.000 Well, we know that when you throw money, just money at a problem, like in Baltimore, I believe, which is the worst school system in the country, I think we spend federal dollars, we spend More money per student.

01:14:20.000 It's the third most amount of spending per student than any other town or state in the union.

01:14:27.000 That's kind of amazing.

01:14:28.000 And guess what?

01:14:29.000 You can't just throw money at a problem.

01:14:32.000 So many of these issues...

01:14:34.000 That I'm kind of becoming fascinated with.

01:14:35.000 Don't require money or it's not a Democratic or Republican issue.

01:14:40.000 For example, one of the biggest challenges we're going to face is that there are a lot of people out there who don't fit into the 21st century economy.

01:14:50.000 They don't have skill set that requires that.

01:14:54.000 They do manual labor.

01:14:55.000 They do minimum wage jobs.

01:14:58.000 You can raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, I guess.

01:15:00.000 I don't know what it's like to run a small business.

01:15:02.000 I know a lot of small business people say that's too much.

01:15:03.000 I don't know.

01:15:04.000 But that's actually not the problem.

01:15:08.000 Every time you hear Democrats or Republicans talking, they say things like, hey man, we've got to do something about this income inequality.

01:15:16.000 So the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, and we've got to tax the rich.

01:15:20.000 Everybody has their point of view.

01:15:21.000 No, trickle-down economics.

01:15:22.000 The problem is, in fact, that what's really going on is technology is taking the place of a lot of these unskilled jobs.

01:15:31.000 And we are going to have, as technology grows exponentially, Robots and different forms of technology are gonna take over so many of the jobs that people have now.

01:15:42.000 Bus drivers.

01:15:43.000 We're gonna have autonomous vehicles.

01:15:45.000 I don't know when it's gonna be, but bus drivers will be out of business, out of work.

01:15:48.000 And there are so many examples of that.

01:15:51.000 What we have to start doing, rather than worrying about redistributing wealth, the most important thing is getting these people ready for the 21st century economy, which is probably going to change all the time.

01:16:06.000 Which means you've got to figure out how you're going to fit in to an economy that doesn't operate the way traditional economies work anymore.

01:16:15.000 There's just different needs, different services, things are always changing, things are very trendy.

01:16:20.000 That's the biggest challenge.

01:16:21.000 And that's a hard fucking pill to swallow for someone who's banked their entire family's existence on horseshoes.

01:16:26.000 Damn right!

01:16:27.000 Also this goddamn engine thing comes along and no one needs a fucking horseshoe. 0.98

01:16:30.000 But you can't go to the government and say, hey government bail me out and give me subsidies for the rest of my life because somebody has to pay for that and that's all of us.

01:16:39.000 And so taxes get higher and that's what we have to be careful of.

01:16:42.000 I just really, there is a place for government but you have to be careful of saying, hey the government's gonna come in here and save The day.

01:16:50.000 It's a bankrupt way of thinking.

01:16:52.000 You've got to evolve.

01:16:53.000 You've got to change.

01:16:54.000 You've got to be honest.

01:16:55.000 You've got to be honest.

01:16:56.000 This might be a skill that's no longer needed.

01:17:00.000 And robots are going to change everything.

01:17:02.000 They are going to change everything.

01:17:03.000 And then when you get intelligent robots, you have like these robot slaves.

01:17:07.000 You're going to have robots that are going to do all your construction.

01:17:09.000 You're going to have absolute precise measurements on things.

01:17:13.000 You'll have a robot that's building houses.

01:17:14.000 Like a human being builds houses.

01:17:17.000 But robots.

01:17:18.000 Robots walking upstairs carrying gigantic bags of cement with no strain on their back.

01:17:22.000 All manual label jobs.

01:17:24.000 Robots.

01:17:25.000 I don't think you're going to see any robot stand-up comics, guys.

01:17:27.000 So I think our jobs are safe for at least our lifetime.

01:17:29.000 Well, we're lucky as fuck.

01:17:31.000 Not just the comics, but also that you can't fix that with a robot.

01:17:37.000 You can't make a robot funny.

01:17:38.000 But they have done some random joke generators, but you know what?

01:17:41.000 They lack that pop of the great bits.

01:17:45.000 Yeah.

01:17:45.000 The great bits that have this unique perspective.

01:17:48.000 They're not going to get a robot to mimic Bill Burr.

01:17:51.000 Or I was gonna say yes, absolutely Joey Diaz I was gonna say Mitch Hedberg actually because his absurdist point of view was like really only effective I think with his way of communicating like his his style of delivery You know you're not gonna figure that out with a computer.

01:18:08.000 You're just not not gonna figure out why it's appealing It's We're lucky as shit.

01:18:15.000 Being a person who's getting out of school now and thinking about jobs that used to exist just a short while ago that are nonsense now.

01:18:23.000 They're just nonsense jobs.

01:18:25.000 Like, how many people in the era of, you know, 1995 had some sort of...

01:18:34.000 Training and school and education and technologically related things and technology, creative technology.

01:18:41.000 By the time they get out of school, everything that they learned is irrelevant.

01:18:46.000 Didn't you have a problem with that, Jamie?

01:18:49.000 To explain your problem, I mean, I went to school to work in a recording studio.

01:18:54.000 Right.

01:18:54.000 And at worst, maybe work in a radio station, they would say.

01:18:58.000 And this is kind of like what my education has kind of turned into, to be able to control, essentially, a radio show.

01:19:04.000 But there are no recording studios for me to go work in.

01:19:07.000 They don't exist anymore.

01:19:08.000 There's maybe five in LA. There's probably a couple more than that, but anyone that has been working there for the last 15 years is still working there.

01:19:14.000 They're not hiring new young blood to come in because they need to work for the next 15 years. 0.99

01:19:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:19.000 There's just not that much of a demand.

01:19:21.000 And they're not making music in those studios either.

01:19:24.000 You can do it at home.

01:19:25.000 You can do it at home easy used to have to have like these incredible systems, right?

01:19:28.000 And now you just have like a regular Apple computer or even a Windows computer is fine, right?

01:19:32.000 Dave Grohl's movie called like Sound City or something like that I believe came out a couple years goes really good and kind of shows How that all happened over the last ten years?

01:19:40.000 Yeah, it's you're finding these houses for sale.

01:19:43.000 There's a lot of houses that have like recording studios built in them for sale But you don't need all that shit.

01:19:49.000 Yeah There's a lot of those instances Of the technology.

01:19:57.000 The technology just doesn't wait for you.

01:19:59.000 If you learn computer programming pre-1990, what are you going to do today?

01:20:05.000 What are you going to do, stupid?

01:20:06.000 Yeah.

01:20:07.000 What are you going to do?

01:20:07.000 You have your old schools?

01:20:09.000 It's...

01:20:10.000 Anything technologically related, like banking on one thing over another.

01:20:15.000 Somebody just invited me to some startup of some new multimedia, social media sort of a thing.

01:20:25.000 And I remember thinking, good luck with this.

01:20:28.000 Good luck.

01:20:29.000 Why would I invest any of my time to try to...

01:20:32.000 Go check out, go to a speech and see the unveiling of this thing.

01:20:37.000 If it's good, it'll get online.

01:20:39.000 I'll hear about it.

01:20:40.000 That's it.

01:20:41.000 That's it.

01:20:42.000 You're not going to get behind anything before it's good.

01:20:44.000 You don't know why it is or why it isn't.

01:20:47.000 Who's to say?

01:20:48.000 Certain things catch on, certain things don't.

01:20:50.000 But you've got to let them just catch on.

01:20:52.000 You've got to let them catch on.

01:20:53.000 I had some academics come to me because they had listened.

01:20:56.000 I have a lot of academics on my podcast, the old Brian Count show.

01:21:04.000 I had some academics come to me and say, listen, we want to put together a convention, something called Evocon.

01:21:11.000 So it's a convention on evolution and we want to get all the great minds of evolution together and people that understand it and get together and have a convention about evolution and with the idea that we can get that 40% of Americans or whoever it is who don't believe in evolution over on our side.

01:21:28.000 Let's give them the evidence because the scientific community Science is fascinating, but they've done a very bad job communicating their message.

01:21:35.000 They don't do a good job communicating.

01:21:37.000 Because what happens with academics and people in that world is that they become very insular.

01:21:42.000 And they become very incestuous.

01:21:44.000 And they're only talking to each other, and they're not talking to people who are casting votes and who ultimately have a say in public policy and stuff.

01:21:54.000 Well, you know, I learned from Kevin Afolta, who was on the podcast the other day, who was a scientist, And works a lot with GM foods, GMO foods, and explaining what they really are.

01:22:04.000 One of the things he was talking about to me was that he works for the public, essentially.

01:22:12.000 He's a public scientist.

01:22:13.000 But when they research something or come to some conclusions, they publish them in these papers or journals.

01:22:19.000 These journals are often hidden behind paywalls.

01:22:22.000 Yes.

01:22:23.000 So the very people that paid to fund these studies don't really have access to them.

01:22:29.000 And there was a kid who went to jail for hacking into a university.

01:22:36.000 Yeah, they were charging him with some serious crime.

01:22:40.000 Is that Aaron Schwartz?

01:22:41.000 I think it was Aaron Schwartz, yeah.

01:22:43.000 Was that the same case?

01:22:45.000 Yeah, he hacked into all these sort of academic papers that were not made public.

01:22:51.000 Yeah, he made them public.

01:22:52.000 You had to pay for them.

01:22:52.000 You had to pay for them and he hacked them and made them public.

01:22:55.000 Without the professor's intellectual property, that's their intellectual property.

01:22:59.000 They didn't give a say so.

01:23:01.000 The university makes money off of it, and he just gave them to everybody, and then they threatened him to make an example, and he ended up killing himself.

01:23:09.000 Well, how do you feel about that?

01:23:10.000 That seems, here, more than a year after Swartz killed himself rather than face prosecutions, questions about MIT's handling of the case persist.

01:23:17.000 Yeah.

01:23:18.000 Scroll down.

01:23:19.000 I feel as though, I think Aaron Schwartz, you know, if you have, if somebody has intellectual property, it's an academic paper on something, and they can make money off it, they should be allowed to make money off it.

01:23:33.000 And if it's your property and somebody comes in and breaks into your password and just gives it away for free, that's not cool.

01:23:39.000 Right.

01:23:40.000 I think that's what he did.

01:23:41.000 I don't know.

01:23:42.000 But.

01:23:43.000 If you are a public scientist, and if you are working for a university that receives tax dollars from the community, and you do this work, doesn't that work belong to everyone?

01:23:55.000 Because everyone paid for it.

01:23:57.000 If not, how are you public?

01:23:58.000 If you're getting money and you're earning money from the money that was put up by the public to pay for you.

01:24:06.000 I mean, you have to kind of define what we allow and what we don't allow.

01:24:09.000 So in some ways, he probably had a really good point.

01:24:12.000 The way he went after it was kind of theft.

01:24:14.000 I mean, he invaded someone's property, which is the university.

01:24:18.000 Whether or not it should be their property, that's debatable, but the fact that he wasn't allowed into their servers and he got in there.

01:24:25.000 All he did was download some stuff, so it's not malicious.

01:24:28.000 I think whatever crime they should have pointed at him would have been like nothing.

01:24:34.000 Like a fine.

01:24:35.000 Maybe say, hey man, you can't just break into people's...

01:24:37.000 You can't just hack into people's servers.

01:24:38.000 That is fucked up.

01:24:39.000 So you should get some sort of fine for that.

01:24:42.000 But the idea of jail time...

01:24:43.000 I mean, I'm talking about a $500 fine or $1,000 or something like that.

01:24:47.000 Put him on probation and say, don't ever do this again, man.

01:24:49.000 You can't hack into people's...

01:24:51.000 But the idea that this guy was under so much stress that he killed himself over releasing academic papers, which clearly there's no malice involved.

01:24:59.000 You're not trying to hurt anybody.

01:24:59.000 Well, they threaten him with, I think, life in prison.

01:25:01.000 I mean...

01:25:02.000 They threaten for something terrible.

01:25:03.000 He's trying to release things that make people smarter.

01:25:07.000 You know, he's trying to put more of that out there.

01:25:09.000 And then you do the math and you go, well, how did this stuff get funded?

01:25:12.000 Did it get funded by taxpayers?

01:25:14.000 Why the fuck do we have to pay for it?

01:25:15.000 Why do I have to pay for the results of these pub studies?

01:25:18.000 Yeah.

01:25:19.000 Pub med studies or whatever the fuck they are.

01:25:21.000 If somebody publishes something in a paper and it was funded by taxpayers, it should be available.

01:25:26.000 It should be in a public library somewhere.

01:25:28.000 What did this guy talk about as far as GMOs?

01:25:31.000 I mean, there's a lot of misinformation out there, right?

01:25:33.000 Yeah, it's a long, long podcast.

01:25:35.000 We did three full hours, and he was great.

01:25:38.000 He's a really, really interesting guy.

01:25:40.000 And, man, people have some crazy misconceptions, and they stick to them like glue.

01:25:44.000 No matter what he said on the podcast and what he explained on the podcast, you see people arguing with it online.

01:25:50.000 They're religious.

01:25:51.000 They're religious.

01:25:52.000 They're fundamentalists about it, yeah.

01:25:53.000 They don't understand what it means to modify these foods, like these ideas of frankenfoods, these ideas of what's dangerous and deadly.

01:26:01.000 It's something that people have been doing forever.

01:26:03.000 They've just been doing it, and he was explaining how they were splicing plants together and creating hybrids of plants, and that they would take, you know, the pollen...

01:26:11.000 Sometimes they require less pesticides.

01:26:14.000 But he's always saying, he was talking about it, this has been done forever.

01:26:16.000 Yeah.

01:26:16.000 And it's like...

01:26:17.000 The difference being that now they're engineering certain things to turn on jeans or turn off jeans.

01:26:23.000 And people are concerned that this could be really dangerous.

01:26:26.000 And he was really honest about it, man.

01:26:29.000 He's like, yes, there should be some concern.

01:26:33.000 He was really honest about the whole idea of, yeah, we don't exactly know that this is going to be safe for everybody at every single turn, every time.

01:26:42.000 But if you just look at the things, we're going over the things that kill people right now, like peanuts and...

01:26:48.000 I mean, Brian has a fucking allergy to penicillin.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, my mother does too, she'll die.

01:26:53.000 If my mother eats one Brazil nut, one, she'll die. 1.00

01:26:57.000 That's crazy.

01:26:58.000 So think of that.

01:26:59.000 Just imagine if that was a drug.

01:27:01.000 If that was a drug that was released by the pharmaceutical company, would those numbers be tolerated?

01:27:06.000 Boy, I don't think so.

01:27:07.000 I don't think so.

01:27:08.000 So if it's a combinatory plant or vegetable, something that they've created, and it whacks out one person out of 100 million, should that be okay? 0.91

01:27:17.000 I don't think it should, but man, it's a tough argument.

01:27:21.000 We make those calls all the time.

01:27:23.000 Aspirin kills a number of people.

01:27:25.000 Thousands of people every year.

01:27:27.000 Now, nobody in their right mind is going to ban aspirin.

01:27:29.000 It's a great drug and helps a lot of people with chronic pain.

01:27:32.000 Dude, a lot of people drink too much water and die from that every year.

01:27:36.000 That's right.

01:27:36.000 Anything is toxic in certain quantities.

01:27:42.000 That's a fact.

01:27:43.000 But the thing about this is that people are worried about cancer because they're worried about what they're doing to these plants are not natural, and that's how they're able to fight off these pesticides.

01:27:53.000 And it's a legitimate concern.

01:27:55.000 When you look into what's actually going on, actually being done, I think most of the plants that we're worried about when it comes to that stuff, I think those are the ones that they feed to animals.

01:28:06.000 And then you're worried about, okay, now you're eating the animal that's eating this stuff that has this roundup shit on it.

01:28:11.000 Like, what is, what's that?

01:28:13.000 What's going on there?

01:28:14.000 Because, like, we were talking about bears.

01:28:16.000 Like, if you eat a bear that's been eating blueberries, it's supposed to be, like, the most delicious meat in the world.

01:28:21.000 Steve Rinello talks about this.

01:28:23.000 He had an episode where he shot this bear in Alaska, and as he's butchering the bear, the bear fat has blue.

01:28:30.000 It's a blue hue, like, almost a purple hue.

01:28:33.000 Because of the blueberries this thing's been eating. 1.00

01:28:36.000 Who's to say that if you're giving a fucking cow or you're giving some whatever animal some this Roundup shit if it's in if you're spraying it on vegetables to kill bugs and then those vegetables get fed Are you washing them before you give them your cows like how exactly are you treating them to make sure there's nothing in there?

01:28:57.000 If there is something in there just like how the blueberry makes the bear taste different That's gotta do something to what you're eating.

01:29:04.000 It's just got to and It's just gotta be affecting the flesh that you're taking into your body.

01:29:09.000 And there's a potential, if you're eating toxic shit, if that cow is eating some pesticides, that's gotta be able to get into the meat. 0.83

01:29:20.000 So maybe the yoga lady was right.

01:29:23.000 Wait a minute.

01:29:24.000 The meat is totally toxic and bad.

01:29:26.000 Toxic!

01:29:26.000 I mean, look, if you look at it that way, she kind of almost has a point.

01:29:30.000 If you're not getting, like, free-range, grass-fed...

01:29:33.000 If indeed Roundup is that bad, if indeed it does get in the meat, if indeed it does...

01:29:37.000 Well, kills bugs.

01:29:38.000 ...into a quantity that affects you, I don't know.

01:29:41.000 Did you ever see the, um, there was a...

01:29:44.000 One of these shows where this guy had offered to drink Roundup.

01:29:49.000 He had said it was totally safe.

01:29:50.000 You don't have to worry about it.

01:29:52.000 He goes, I would drink it.

01:29:53.000 And the guy goes, you drink it?

01:29:54.000 Yeah, well, I've got a glass here.

01:29:55.000 Drink it.

01:29:56.000 And the guy goes, well, you're just being a total jerk.

01:29:58.000 And he leaves.

01:29:59.000 You should watch it because it's hilarious.

01:30:01.000 Well, the guy did drink.

01:30:02.000 I don't know if it was Roundup.

01:30:04.000 Watch this.

01:30:04.000 Let's hold on.

01:30:05.000 Start it from the beginning and give us some volume because this is wonderful.

01:30:08.000 It's French.

01:30:09.000 I love this.

01:30:09.000 Hold on.

01:30:10.000 I believe...

01:30:11.000 That glyphosate in Argentina is causing increases in cancer.

01:30:15.000 You can drink a whole quart of it and it won't hurt you.

01:30:18.000 You want to drink some?

01:30:19.000 We have some here.

01:30:20.000 I'd be happy to, actually.

01:30:21.000 Not really, but...

01:30:23.000 Not really?

01:30:23.000 I know it wouldn't hurt me.

01:30:25.000 If you say so, I have some glyphosate.

01:30:27.000 No, no, I'm not stupid.

01:30:28.000 Ah, okay, so you...

01:30:30.000 No, but I know...

01:30:30.000 So it's dangerous, right?

01:30:31.000 No, people try to commit suicide with it and fail fairly regularly.

01:30:35.000 Tell the truth.

01:30:36.000 It's not dangerous to humans.

01:30:37.000 No, it's not.

01:30:38.000 So you're ready to drink one glass of glyphosate?

01:30:40.000 No, I'm not an idiot.

01:30:42.000 Interview me about golden rice.

01:30:44.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:30:45.000 Okay, then it's finished.

01:30:46.000 Then the interview is finished.

01:30:48.000 That's a good way to solve things.

01:30:50.000 Yeah.

01:30:52.000 You're a complete jerk.

01:30:53.000 You're a complete jerk.

01:30:55.000 Come on, man.

01:30:56.000 You're a complete jerk.

01:30:57.000 He got mad quickly, didn't he?

01:30:58.000 Yeah, of course he did.

01:30:59.000 If you dare me, I'm going to have to probably drink it.

01:31:02.000 Well, he's a liar.

01:31:03.000 He's a liar.

01:31:04.000 The guy who, they were spraying the trees, I think it was California, the orange trees for fruit flies or whatever, and he started the meeting.

01:31:13.000 He was the owner of the company, started the meeting by drinking an entire glass of it.

01:31:17.000 Oh, my God.

01:31:17.000 Yeah, and carried on.

01:31:19.000 He goes, so here's how dangerous it is.

01:31:20.000 Ready, guys?

01:31:21.000 Glug, glug, glug, glug, glug.

01:31:23.000 Doesn't taste good or whatever.

01:31:24.000 Boom.

01:31:24.000 And that was a famous way he started that sort of like to prove to everybody that this product is not toxic.

01:31:31.000 Okay, but then how does it kill bugs?

01:31:33.000 Well, I think bugs, I don't know, but I do know that usually it'll attack the bug's central nervous system or something, or it causes some, it fucks with one enzyme.

01:31:42.000 I would like to talk to that dude today.

01:31:43.000 What if he's turning into the fly?

01:31:44.000 Exactly.

01:31:45.000 He's just got really thick hair, and he's strong as shit.

01:31:48.000 It just gets weird.

01:31:49.000 And he throws up stuff on his food, and then...

01:31:52.000 He fucks all the time.

01:31:53.000 Remember when Jeff Goldblum was just...

01:31:55.000 Oh, great movie.

01:31:56.000 Great movie.

01:31:58.000 It's a great goddamn movie.

01:31:59.000 Jeff Goldblum is about seven, eight.

01:32:01.000 He's a giant man.

01:32:02.000 It's huge.

01:32:03.000 Fucking huge.

01:32:04.000 He's so talented, man.

01:32:05.000 I love him in Jurassic Park.

01:32:07.000 It's one of all time.

01:32:07.000 He's also got an impossible dick.

01:32:10.000 Whoa.

01:32:10.000 He's got an impossible dick on him.

01:32:12.000 How big?

01:32:13.000 I hear it's, first of all, there are two things that he has going for him, and I know a girl dated him, and I dated her for about ten minutes, and she said, well, he plays the piano, concert piano, he's a concert pianist, basically, and he's got a donkey dick. 0.91

01:32:28.000 And I thought, I said, of course, I went, hold on, I stop everything, fuck his piano, let's get to his dick immediately. 0.89

01:32:34.000 Immediately.

01:32:35.000 And I had to ask her, she showed me her forearm, she said, it's as big as my forearm.

01:32:39.000 Whoa, just a monster horn.

01:32:41.000 Yeah, and I said, and of course, and I said, you slut. 1.00

01:32:43.000 Dude, how dare you?

01:32:45.000 And I said, who's better in bed?

01:32:47.000 And she goes, I'm not going to talk about that.

01:32:48.000 Well, you lost there.

01:32:49.000 I definitely lost to the 6'6", donkey dick, piano playing, rich as shit, successful as fuck.

01:32:56.000 If you watch that movie, The Fly, you'll get an idea of how he fucks, too.

01:32:59.000 Yeah.

01:33:00.000 Yeah, he's a stud.

01:33:02.000 He's got an easy bone structure.

01:33:04.000 I love him in Jurassic Park.

01:33:06.000 It's one of my all-time favorite roles of his.

01:33:08.000 He's just great.

01:33:09.000 Yeah, he's an interesting dude.

01:33:10.000 You know, he was in Invasion of the Body Snatchers?

01:33:12.000 Yes, I do know that.

01:33:14.000 You know, I was amazed.

01:33:15.000 I was like, God, was he like 20?

01:33:16.000 He also had a very tiny part in Annie Hall.

01:33:19.000 Really?

01:33:19.000 Yep, he was almost an extra.

01:33:22.000 Wow.

01:33:23.000 God, is he unique.

01:33:24.000 Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker.

01:33:25.000 He's great as a scientist, too, because as a scientist, he has all these unique quirks about the way he describes things and processes things.

01:33:32.000 You totally believe he's intelligent enough to be making that.

01:33:35.000 Like in The Fly, it's a perfect example.

01:33:37.000 Can you imagine a dull actor playing that role?

01:33:40.000 When he's pitching it and he's passionate about it, that excitement, you really believe it.

01:33:47.000 You really believe he's the guy who created that transporter.

01:33:50.000 There's also that kind of a thing he does.

01:33:53.000 He's always thinking about it as he talks about it.

01:33:56.000 I just wear the same clothing all the time and pick it up from Einstein because that way I don't have to think about what I wear.

01:34:01.000 But I believe it.

01:34:02.000 Me too.

01:34:03.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:34:03.000 Me too.

01:34:04.000 He's one of those guys where while he's doing it on stage or in a, you know, on the movie, you really believe, you forget that it's Jeff Goldblum.

01:34:13.000 Yeah.

01:34:13.000 Even for brief moments.

01:34:15.000 Like, he's good enough that it just hypnotizes you.

01:34:17.000 And you go like, wow, he fucking kicked ass in that one.

01:34:19.000 Yeah.

01:34:20.000 There's only a few of those people out there.

01:34:22.000 Walk-in is probably that way, too.

01:34:24.000 Faye Dunaway.

01:34:26.000 That's a name from the past.

01:34:27.000 Faye Dunaway.

01:34:29.000 Dude, Chinatown. 1.00

01:34:30.000 Watch Chinatown with Jack Nicholson.

01:34:32.000 Goddamn, she could act.

01:34:33.000 Phenomenal movie.

01:34:34.000 Jesus Christ, she was good.

01:34:36.000 So was he, too, man.

01:34:37.000 Jesus Christ, that's a good movie.

01:34:39.000 What's his name in the movie?

01:34:40.000 Hank or something?

01:34:41.000 I don't remember.

01:34:41.000 Forget it, Hank.

01:34:42.000 It's Chinatown.

01:34:43.000 Fuck.

01:34:44.000 She's my mother.

01:34:45.000 No, she's my daughter.

01:34:46.000 She's my sister.

01:34:48.000 She's my daughter.

01:34:49.000 She's my sister.

01:34:49.000 Remember that?

01:34:50.000 Where he's slapping her face.

01:34:52.000 And they cut his nose.

01:34:54.000 They sliced his nose.

01:34:56.000 You know, for 10 points, you know who actually cut his nose?

01:34:59.000 No.

01:34:59.000 That was Roman Polanski.

01:35:01.000 Really?

01:35:01.000 That was the director.

01:35:02.000 Wow.

01:35:03.000 And then he had sex with a 13-year-old and had to go to France and he could never come back.

01:35:08.000 I think, yeah.

01:35:10.000 Didn't he drug her or something, too?

01:35:12.000 She was on drugs and she was high and he sodomized her as well in a jacuzzi. 1.00

01:35:17.000 But did he drug her?

01:35:19.000 No, I think she was doing the drugs and she had had sex with somebody else. 1.00

01:35:23.000 And she'd been there before, but she's 13. I had an argument with a bunch of fans of his.

01:35:28.000 Oh, God.

01:35:29.000 And I said, look, it's fine.

01:35:31.000 I know that you're coming up with reasons why he could and he should be let back in the United States.

01:35:35.000 It's fine.

01:35:36.000 If it was your daughter, if it was your 13-year-old, 13, just how would you feel?

01:35:42.000 That's not the point.

01:35:43.000 It is the point.

01:35:44.000 Wow, how's that not the point?

01:35:45.000 It's the point.

01:35:46.000 The point is, like, well, the only thing that could be not the point is, is he that same guy now?

01:35:53.000 Is he that same guy now, or were you dealing with a guy who, if many people don't know, Roman Polanski, terrible as he might be, suffered one of the most insane things that can ever happen to a person.

01:36:06.000 The Holocaust? 0.88

01:36:07.000 The Manson family killed his wife and cut his pregnant wife's belly open and smeared blood all over the wall.

01:36:16.000 I mean, what they did...

01:36:19.000 That was the Tate-LaBianca murders.

01:36:22.000 Sharon Tate was Roman Polanski's wife.

01:36:24.000 She was an actress, right?

01:36:25.000 That was his baby at the time and his wife at the time.

01:36:29.000 I mean, that has got to be a mind breaker.

01:36:34.000 Now, I'm not saying that that would resort someone to pedophilia.

01:36:38.000 But, I mean, who knows what was going on in that guy's mind or life at that point.

01:36:44.000 If he's not that guy anymore, and that woman, wherever she is, if she's still alive, forgives him, I could see him being able to lead a normal life.

01:36:55.000 I mean, there's been enough...

01:36:56.000 He was also, I believe, a concentration camp survivor, or at least he had been in the Holocaust in Poland as a Jew and had to flee.

01:37:03.000 Yeah, I think one of those two, I remember as well.

01:37:06.000 So it's like, look, that guy's been through some horrific, horrific shit, and it certainly doesn't justify or exonerate him, rather, from anything terrible that he's done.

01:37:18.000 But...

01:37:19.000 At a certain point in time, you've got to go, like, what should be done about something that happened 25 years ago?

01:37:25.000 Should he have to do time in jail?

01:37:27.000 Has he escaped that punishment?

01:37:28.000 Well, there is a statute of limitations for that very reason and to answer that question.

01:37:33.000 But you know what I'm saying about it?

01:37:35.000 100%.

01:37:35.000 Yeah.

01:37:36.000 That's why the statute of limitations exists, because you're not thought to be that person anymore?

01:37:39.000 I believe that's the logic behind, I believe that's at least the partial logic behind that law.

01:37:50.000 Contracts like contracts and leases and things along those lines like it's like agreeing that you're gonna be the same person to a certain extent like a marriage or More relevant even if somebody on death row who committed a crime when he was 18 now he's 45 and is a very different person than when he was 18 That was there are a lot of examples of that Well,

01:38:13.000 why are you expected to be responsible for things that you did 18 over, but under 18, you become a juvenile?

01:38:23.000 But the reason for that is physiological, actually.

01:38:25.000 The reason for that is that the frontal cortex of a teenager is not fully developed, and that's the area of your brain you use to make decisions.

01:38:34.000 And so teenagers, biologically, from what I understand, are more impulsive and all that.

01:38:39.000 Especially boys.

01:38:40.000 Teenage boys have the worst...

01:38:52.000 Yeah.

01:39:02.000 And a lot of it is a lack of perspective, lack of understanding what the consequences of your actions are, and these weird impulses that teenagers have, these weird ancient fucking primate impulses that still exist, that are, you know, passed down.

01:39:15.000 I remember them very well.

01:39:16.000 I just got over them three years ago.

01:39:19.000 Yeah, man.

01:39:20.000 It's not easy, evolving.

01:39:23.000 The other thing, I mean, I don't know whether he knew she was 13. There are a lot of issues, but, I mean, at the end of the day, if you have sex with a 13-year-old, you know, and she's drugged up, I don't know, man.

01:39:32.000 You know?

01:39:32.000 Yeah.

01:39:33.000 I can't forgive you.

01:39:34.000 No, it's 100% crazy.

01:39:35.000 Yeah.

01:39:36.000 The other two factors, the Holocaust thing and whether or not that's true, is that true?

01:39:40.000 Did we figure that out?

01:39:41.000 I think he had to flee the country.

01:39:42.000 What is it?

01:39:43.000 Yeah, he was living in the Krakow ghettos. 0.99

01:39:45.000 He wasn't in, like, a camp.

01:39:46.000 Now, the Krakow ghettos, but let me give you an example. 0.91

01:39:48.000 The Krakow ghettos, I believe this is a good statistic. 1.00

01:39:51.000 Four million Jews lived there roughly over almost 700 years in Poland.

01:39:57.000 They were a huge part of the fabric, the academic fabric and the business fabric.

01:40:01.000 And by the end of that four years, five years of four million, five million Jews, there were about less than 50,000 left.

01:40:10.000 They'd all been killed.

01:40:11.000 And Krakow, remember, most of the terrible concentration camps were in Poland.

01:40:15.000 And if you lived in that Krakow ghetto, During that time period it was the worst some of the worst probably one of the worst places to be in the history Look at that during the age of five he attended primary school for only a few weeks until all the Jewish children were Abruptly expelled.

01:40:30.000 Yep.

01:40:30.000 God, that's gotta be so fucking scary Yeah, just tell your children you can't go to school anymore cuz you're Jews and they got then they were sent off Sent off to concentration camps, killed very quickly.

01:40:42.000 Fuck, man.

01:40:43.000 A lot of them died on the trains on the way there.

01:40:45.000 All Jewish children over the age of 12 to wear white armbands with the blue Star of David imprinted for visual identification.

01:40:53.000 Fuck.

01:40:57.000 And again, this doesn't exaggerate.

01:41:00.000 Watch his father taken away.

01:41:01.000 This is horrible, horrible, horrible shit.

01:41:04.000 Yep.

01:41:05.000 Yeah.

01:41:06.000 But still, like, okay, so what do you do with a guy like that?

01:41:11.000 What do you do?

01:41:12.000 Do you let him back in here?

01:41:14.000 I mean, he obviously went through a bunch of horrendous shit.

01:41:17.000 Do you make him come back in here and go to jail?

01:41:20.000 Like, what do you do?

01:41:21.000 Like, you say, hey, you can come back and live in America, but you have to go to jail for A year?

01:41:27.000 How many years did you make him go to jail for what he did?

01:41:30.000 I don't know.

01:41:32.000 I can't answer that question.

01:41:33.000 10 years?

01:41:34.000 25 years?

01:41:35.000 You know, today, you would say it would be 25 years, at least, right?

01:41:39.000 If someone did that to a 13-year-old, you'd say 25 years in jail.

01:41:45.000 If he comes over here, and it's so many years after the crime, does he have to do the same amount of time that he would have had to do if it was the 1970s when he was convicted?

01:41:55.000 I don't think that if he came over here, he would be thrown in jail.

01:42:01.000 Would he?

01:42:01.000 My question is, would you be subject to the ideas and the laws of 1970?

01:42:07.000 Oh, that's interesting.

01:42:08.000 Or would you be subject to the ideas and the laws of 2015?

01:42:11.000 I think if you were tried in absentia, Then you would be.

01:42:15.000 But I'm not sure.

01:42:17.000 Yeah, because I think probably the punishments probably varied between then and now.

01:42:23.000 Well, the punishments also vary on circumstance.

01:42:26.000 So rape, murder have a specific, you know, they carry with them a penalty.

01:42:32.000 Right.

01:42:32.000 That penalty is predicated upon the circumstances and a lot of other things.

01:42:38.000 That wasn't always the case, was it?

01:42:40.000 Well, now you're talking about the difference between natural law and circumstantial law.

01:42:47.000 So, you know, natural law would say, whatever the case, what you did was out of the nature of how human beings would behave.

01:42:55.000 You stole something, there's no other reason, there's no other circumstance, it doesn't matter, it's not relevant, you go to jail.

01:43:01.000 You killed somebody, the fact of the matter is that it's unnatural to kill somebody, you pay with your life.

01:43:07.000 Well, modern societies realize that crimes are committed—and I don't even think it was modern societies.

01:43:13.000 I mean, it was always the question.

01:43:14.000 The biggest—Cicero, it goes back to the Romans, where it says, look, if you park your chariot here in this town, well, you're going to get a fine.

01:43:23.000 Oh, but you know what?

01:43:24.000 Where I live in Carthage, I can park my chariot there.

01:43:27.000 And the guy goes, all right, well, here's a warning.

01:43:29.000 Don't do it again, because now you're in Rome.

01:43:32.000 But, if you snatch a baby out of a woman's arms and kill it, or something terrible, regardless, the law will say in Rome, no, you go to jail.

01:43:43.000 No, but in Carthage we're allowed to do that, or I'm from the Mongol-Tartar steppes, we do that.

01:43:48.000 Fine.

01:43:48.000 That's fine.

01:43:49.000 You're still gonna pay with your life.

01:43:51.000 Why?

01:43:52.000 Because what you did falls under an unnatural act.

01:43:58.000 So no matter what your culture says, that was an unnatural act, an unnatural act meaning they were outside the realm of human conduct, and so you must pay a price regardless of where you're from, including whether or not you knew that was right or wrong.

01:44:15.000 That's a very important aspect of law.

01:44:18.000 It's something that people talk about all the time.

01:44:21.000 That's how you start drawing distinctions between crimes that are excusable based on circumstance and crimes that just...

01:44:30.000 Like drug smuggling.

01:44:31.000 Or how about...

01:44:32.000 Drug smuggling is one thing, but there are crimes like all of us in most societies would suggest that if an adult has sex with a five-year-old, I don't give a fuck, It's an unnatural it's an unnatural crime and you're all you're gonna do you're gonna do did you see that the Silk Road creator got life in prison without the possibility of parole no did you see that it's insane the Silk Road as in Afghanistan no the Silk Road is it was a dark web there's a great documentary

01:45:03.000 by Alex Winter what's it called the deep web and it's about the dark web it's about this the system that was created by the military and And They were using it to buy and sell drugs and some people who bought those drugs died and they they overdosed These people that were using it were not him and wasn't the guy who created it The guy created just a portal for people to use it He created a way for people to communicate and exchange drugs for money or for bitcoins

01:45:34.000 or for whatever They were investigated by these DEA agents turned out the DEA agents stole like hundreds of thousands of dollars and And Bitcoin, and transferred it into personal accounts, and there was a lot of fuckery involved.

01:45:46.000 And he went to jail, and they just tried him and convicted him, and the judge sentenced him to life in prison.

01:45:55.000 Life.

01:45:56.000 For creating a website.

01:45:57.000 If the appeal is not successful, he will concurrently serve two life sentences, a 20 year sentence, a 15 year sentence, and a 5 year sentence without parole.

01:46:09.000 Wow.

01:46:10.000 Fuck, man.

01:46:11.000 For creating this technology, this sort of secret tunnel to...

01:46:17.000 Well, he created a way for people to be able to buy and sell drugs.

01:46:22.000 Illegal drugs.

01:46:23.000 Was he working for a cartel or something?

01:46:25.000 No, no.

01:46:26.000 He thought he was working for good because he's a talented programmer and he figured out a way to let people buy things that they wanted to buy.

01:46:35.000 It was giving people the opportunity a way to anonymously or semi-anonymously trade goods and funds for things that were deemed prohibited.

01:46:47.000 I'm surprised that they weren't able to argue, create a better defense for him.

01:46:51.000 Well, I don't think you get a chance to, man.

01:46:53.000 I think you get railroaded by the government in these sort of cases.

01:46:55.000 They wanted to convict him.

01:46:57.000 If they want to, they can keep things out of evidence.

01:47:01.000 The idea that you get a totally fair trial is really sad.

01:47:05.000 It's not the case, especially when it comes to drugs.

01:47:08.000 You know, when Todd McCormick got arrested, he went to jail for growing medical marijuana legally under state laws.

01:47:14.000 They addressed him, they arrested him, and prosecuted him in a federal court.

01:47:18.000 When they get you in a federal court, the first thing they tell you is, there is no such thing as medical marijuana, so you're not allowed to mention medical marijuana.

01:47:25.000 You can't use it as a defense, you can't bring it up.

01:47:27.000 Like, you could cause a mistrial or you could get sanctioned by the court if you change the definitions, if you bring up the fact that it's legal in your state.

01:47:37.000 Since it's not legal federally, it's irrelevant.

01:47:40.000 So they silence you from communicating the realities of this nuanced situation.

01:47:45.000 They try to pretend that it's black and white.

01:47:47.000 You were selling drugs, yes or no!

01:47:49.000 Well, yes, but I was selling them legally in the state of California as voted upon by the people of California.

01:47:55.000 There was a proposition that was passed.

01:47:57.000 Medical marijuana was passed.

01:47:58.000 I was selling it legally through this proposition.

01:48:01.000 And they can't say that.

01:48:02.000 So he went to jail.

01:48:04.000 Never in his defense was he ever allowed to even say he was growing it legally in his state because federal charges trump state laws.

01:48:14.000 Goddamn.

01:48:15.000 Federal government just decides.

01:48:17.000 They're dictators.

01:48:18.000 They just decide.

01:48:19.000 I don't give a fuck what you voted for.

01:48:22.000 The whole group of us, we say fuck you.

01:48:24.000 And we say fuck you about something that's never killed a single person ever.

01:48:28.000 Amazing.

01:48:29.000 We're talking about all these different things that kill people.

01:48:33.000 We're talking about salt killing people and aspirin killing people and how many people die from drinking too much water.

01:48:39.000 Even though millions of people smoke weed, no one dies from it.

01:48:44.000 You just can't do it.

01:48:45.000 You can't do it.

01:48:47.000 You could die from water way quicker than you could die from weed.

01:48:50.000 Isn't that weird?

01:48:51.000 Goddamn.

01:48:51.000 It's stupid as fuck.

01:48:53.000 And the fact that people will go to jail for that and have gone to jail for that is stupid as fuck.

01:48:59.000 It's a magic plant.

01:49:00.000 It's another thing that's changing.

01:49:01.000 It's another thing.

01:49:02.000 I think the evidence is just too overwhelming.

01:49:04.000 It is.

01:49:04.000 It's an old law, but it's amazing how slowly these things move when it comes to getting rid of a law.

01:49:12.000 Because there's a cottage industry that grows up around enforcing that law.

01:49:16.000 Exactly.

01:49:16.000 And there's a lot of money in enforcing.

01:49:19.000 Lobbyists when it comes to prison guard groups that want to keep their jobs, privatize prisons.

01:49:24.000 There's a lot of that.

01:49:26.000 It's the issue with the flat tax.

01:49:28.000 Why not just tax people a certain percentage?

01:49:31.000 Just make a flat tax.

01:49:32.000 No big deal.

01:49:33.000 There are just too many vested interests in how the tax code is so complicated.

01:49:39.000 You've got to hire accountants.

01:49:42.000 And you've got to hire a lot of people to help you with that stuff.

01:49:44.000 So do you think that's why people don't want a flat tax?

01:49:47.000 It's one of the reasons the pressure is on.

01:49:51.000 It's just people who have an incentive to keep the system the way it is.

01:49:56.000 Well, it's also the fact that we were talking about before where you don't have to...

01:50:01.000 For all the money that you give them?

01:50:03.000 That seems insane.

01:50:04.000 Like, could you imagine a new system, if they tried to start it off fresh today?

01:50:08.000 We just want, you know, X amount of money, and hey, don't worry about it, we're just gonna run everything.

01:50:12.000 But you should show me where my money went.

01:50:14.000 Show everybody where their money went, and let's all compare notes.

01:50:17.000 Find out how much money is being spent on shit that we don't want at all.

01:50:21.000 You don't get to say.

01:50:23.000 Well, right now, I don't know what I'm taxed, but I probably see half my money.

01:50:26.000 Just think about it.

01:50:27.000 You work for the government.

01:50:28.000 I was going to say, 50% of my day is spent working for someone else.

01:50:33.000 For the government.

01:50:34.000 You spend a lot of money.

01:50:36.000 That money gets taxed.

01:50:39.000 Everything you buy gets taxed.

01:50:41.000 And on top of that, the money itself gets taxed.

01:50:43.000 Yeah.

01:50:44.000 That's right.

01:50:45.000 So how much?

01:50:45.000 How much do they really need?

01:50:47.000 How big is it?

01:50:49.000 What are they doing with it?

01:50:50.000 Passing laws and enforcing those laws and taxing.

01:50:54.000 It takes a lot to run a coercive body called the U.S. federal government.

01:51:03.000 How much can be trimmed?

01:51:05.000 The libertarian believes that government should be treated like a necessary evil.

01:51:09.000 You need it for some things.

01:51:12.000 That's the motto.

01:51:13.000 But you should treat it as though it's a necessary evil.

01:51:16.000 Be aware that government always does two things.

01:51:19.000 It always grows, and its nature is coercive.

01:51:23.000 And I'm going to quote my father.

01:51:25.000 This is not my idea.

01:51:26.000 But he always says, government is a business of intent.

01:51:29.000 Not results.

01:51:31.000 There's an intention.

01:51:32.000 There's an intention.

01:51:33.000 I'm gonna pass a healthcare law.

01:51:35.000 It's gonna be 2,400 pages.

01:51:37.000 Nobody will read it.

01:51:38.000 No one who votes it into law.

01:51:39.000 They're not gonna read it.

01:51:40.000 It's just too complicated.

01:51:41.000 But it'll be 2,400 pages and actually more than that at the end of it.

01:51:45.000 And it's intended to make healthcare more affordable for everybody.

01:51:50.000 Who wouldn't want that? 0.71

01:51:51.000 I do.

01:51:53.000 It's like the Patriot Act.

01:51:54.000 Yeah, it's the intention.

01:51:55.000 Now let's see how it works in practice.

01:51:57.000 That's what you have to be aware of.

01:51:59.000 It's not very effective.

01:52:00.000 And more importantly, we should all know that it's not the only answer.

01:52:04.000 There are other ways to engineer What we call equality of opportunity.

01:52:11.000 There are other ways.

01:52:12.000 You just have to be a little more creative than to say, let's tax the rich, quote-unquote.

01:52:18.000 Well, by the way, the rich and the poor, it's always changing, isn't it?

01:52:20.000 Isn't it always moving?

01:52:21.000 Some people start out in bad jobs.

01:52:23.000 They work their way up, make a lot of money.

01:52:26.000 You've got to just be careful when you talk about this stuff.

01:52:29.000 It's a changing definition.

01:52:32.000 And we are stuck in orthodoxy of thinking.

01:52:35.000 We break into camps.

01:52:36.000 It was established a long fucking time ago when the world was different.

01:52:39.000 The world was way different when they started establishing income tax.

01:52:43.000 It was just way different.

01:52:44.000 And they could get away with dictator-type shit like that.

01:52:49.000 But if there was no tax system in place and they just started taxing us, taking all this money, we'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck, man?

01:52:56.000 Like if you were just paying state taxes.

01:52:58.000 Or just paying income tax.

01:53:00.000 Or just sales tax.

01:53:02.000 But there's a way to make taxes really fair.

01:53:04.000 Like, I think there should be a carbon tax.

01:53:05.000 And what I mean by that is that if you spend a lot of money on...

01:53:08.000 If you put a lot of carbon in the air, then just pay your share.

01:53:11.000 So in other words, if you have a really big...

01:53:13.000 If you want to buy a big truck with lots of power, that's fine.

01:53:16.000 But it's going to cost you a little more money.

01:53:19.000 Whatever carbon you use, depending on what kind of fossil fuel you use, it's going to put out a certain metric of carbon in the air.

01:53:29.000 You could tax it that way.

01:53:30.000 You don't have to tax everybody.

01:53:31.000 That makes sense.

01:53:32.000 It also makes sense, the idea that if you buy something, like say if you buy a new car, you're going to use the roads.

01:53:40.000 You're benefiting from some other work that had to be done and had to be paid for.

01:53:45.000 So for every percentage of every car, there should be something that goes to some highway fund.

01:53:49.000 I think there is, by the way.

01:53:50.000 That makes sense.

01:53:51.000 Yeah.

01:53:51.000 That totally makes sense.

01:53:52.000 Yeah.

01:53:53.000 I think a lot of taxes make sense.

01:53:54.000 What doesn't make sense is that we don't get an accounting of it, and that it's totally...

01:53:59.000 I mean, the budget, and when you find out what the deficit is, you're like, wait a minute, what are you talking about?

01:54:04.000 What does that even mean?

01:54:05.000 Trillions of...

01:54:06.000 You owe trillions?

01:54:07.000 To fucking who?

01:54:08.000 Let me ask you this question.

01:54:09.000 So when you're paying for Social Security, whether you know it or not, you're paying Social Security.

01:54:14.000 So when you retire at 65, you'll be eligible to a check every month or a week or whatever.

01:54:18.000 Do you get that even if you're rich?

01:54:19.000 Now let me ask you this.

01:54:20.000 You do?

01:54:21.000 Why?

01:54:21.000 You do?

01:54:22.000 Good question.

01:54:23.000 But more importantly...

01:54:24.000 That's crazy.

01:54:25.000 You're going to get it when it starts at 65, right?

01:54:27.000 It's the people's bank.

01:54:28.000 What happens when you die at 64?

01:54:30.000 What happens to that money?

01:54:31.000 What happens to it?

01:54:32.000 Exactly.

01:54:32.000 Guess what?

01:54:33.000 What?

01:54:33.000 Your family doesn't get it.

01:54:35.000 What?

01:54:35.000 What I understand, it goes into the ether.

01:54:38.000 So someone steals it?

01:54:39.000 Uh-huh.

01:54:41.000 Where does your Social Security go when you die?

01:54:44.000 Back into the till?

01:54:45.000 That's what I believe.

01:54:46.000 And then what happens there?

01:54:49.000 I don't know, but you've been paying into a till for a long time.

01:54:51.000 Well, you have to look no further than civil forfeiture laws.

01:54:54.000 Look at those fucking creepy things, where they just pull you over and you have $10,000 on you, and they decide we're going to take it because we think you're selling drugs.

01:55:00.000 Goddamn.

01:55:00.000 I'm on my way to buy a fucking car!

01:55:02.000 They could take your money, and then you've got to fight for it in court.

01:55:04.000 Well, you're going to have to prove it, big guy.

01:55:05.000 And they'll take your fucking money and spend it on shit for their precinct. 0.97

01:55:11.000 It's the biggest thing you have to watch out for.

01:55:12.000 These guys got busted.

01:55:13.000 They bought a margarita machine.

01:55:15.000 Yeah.

01:55:15.000 With the money that they stole from someone.

01:55:17.000 What a surprise.

01:55:18.000 What a surprise.

01:55:19.000 The growth of the state.

01:55:20.000 What you mean by growth of the state is just more people.

01:55:22.000 More people.

01:55:23.000 People who are in a position of power over you.

01:55:25.000 And when they have something written down, they think they're allowed to enforce it because it's written down.

01:55:29.000 It's a law.

01:55:29.000 Look, it's written right there.

01:55:31.000 Even if it doesn't make any sense.

01:55:32.000 And then you have to, don't forget, if you have a law and then you have people that enforce the law, you must also have watchdogs.

01:55:38.000 You have to have an agency that actually watches those people, just like the cops have internal affairs.

01:55:42.000 But who watches the watchers?

01:55:44.000 So the biggest question in political philosophy is what?

01:55:48.000 The biggest question in political philosophy is who is governing the governor?

01:55:52.000 Yeah.

01:55:53.000 I'm so fucking profound.

01:55:54.000 Not really.

01:55:55.000 Hey, Jamie, can you look up that Social Security statistic?

01:55:57.000 Which statistic?

01:55:58.000 Where does the money go?

01:55:59.000 I'm looking right now.

01:56:00.000 Thank you.

01:56:01.000 We're going to have to wrap this bitch up. 1.00

01:56:02.000 What time is it?

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01:56:24.000 Fight out the kid tease.

01:56:25.000 Here's the reality.

01:56:26.000 If you should die before you begin to get your monthly check, your family will get a payment in cash amounting to 3.5 cents on every dollar of wages you have earned after 1936. If, for example, you should die at age 64 and you had it earned $25 a week for 10 years before that time,

01:56:42.000 your family would receive $455.

01:56:46.000 That's not much.

01:56:47.000 I think that's trying to say, on the other hand, it says on tile other hand.

01:56:51.000 On the other hand, if you have not worked enough to get the regular monthly checks by the time you're 65, you will get a lump sum.

01:56:59.000 Or if you should die, your family or estate would get a lump sum.

01:57:03.000 So you only get 3.5 cents on every dollar of wages that you earned.

01:57:09.000 They get 3.5 cents on every dollar of wages that you earned after 1936. So is that 3.5%?

01:57:17.000 3.5 cents on every dollar.

01:57:20.000 I think this is also from 1936. Oh, Jesus.

01:57:24.000 This could have also changed since then, but this is on the Social Security website.

01:57:26.000 Yeah, we shouldn't read anything.

01:57:27.000 Those people thought the world was flat.

01:57:29.000 Yeah, I think it might be different now.

01:57:31.000 It might be different.

01:57:32.000 It is.

01:57:35.000 Social Security, the idea of...

01:57:37.000 I mean, who knows how much it's changed.

01:57:38.000 But the idea behind it is great.

01:57:40.000 You know, the idea that you're going to throw some money in and that it's going to help old people out when they can't work anymore.

01:57:45.000 It sounds wonderful, but they live in abject poverty.

01:57:48.000 God, it doesn't pay much.

01:57:49.000 God, it pays so little.

01:57:50.000 I know.

01:57:51.000 And how else could you do it?

01:57:53.000 I mean, is there enough money out there to pay everybody well?

01:57:57.000 I get a SAG pension.

01:57:58.000 I'll get some real money for my SAG pension.

01:58:01.000 Look at you.

01:58:01.000 I'm an actor, man.

01:58:02.000 Screen Actors Guild, bro.

01:58:03.000 Sexy bitch. 1.00

01:58:03.000 All that time in acting class paid off, kids. 1.00

01:58:06.000 Brian motherfucking Callen with a Y, B-R-Y. You got Irvine tonight. 1.00

01:58:11.000 I gotta go.

01:58:12.000 The traffic to Irvine is a motherfucker.

01:58:15.000 Yes, you do.

01:58:15.000 Had a great time there last night.

01:58:17.000 Bunch of crazy drunks.

01:58:19.000 Birthday parties and shit.

01:58:21.000 It's her birthday!

01:58:23.000 Oh, come see me in San Francisco.

01:58:25.000 Go see them, you fucks. 0.82

01:58:26.000 Punchline, June 25th, 26th, 27th.

01:58:29.000 Go, my friends.

01:58:30.000 Or is it 26th, 27th, 28th?

01:58:31.000 I don't know, man.

01:58:32.000 Figure it out.

01:58:33.000 Something wacky along those lines.

01:58:35.000 Punchline, San Francisco, June.

01:58:36.000 Punchline, San Francisco, June.

01:58:37.000 One of the best clubs in the country, by the way.

01:58:39.000 Love it.

01:58:40.000 Love it.

01:58:40.000 Perfectly designed.

01:58:42.000 Got a great vibe to it.

01:58:43.000 All right, you fucks.

01:58:45.000 We'll see ya.

01:58:46.000 Much love.

01:58:47.000 It's not very professional.

01:58:48.000 Big kisses.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 06, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #656 - Bryan Callen

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