The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #665 - Neal Brennan

00:00:00.000 We're live.

00:00:00.000 Neil Brennan in the middle of tweeting.

00:00:02.000 What are you doing, huh?

00:00:03.000 I'm using my Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge right now.

00:00:07.000 Oh, it's a beautiful phone.

00:00:09.000 Hi, thanks.

00:00:09.000 Your voice is so commercial.

00:00:11.000 Thanks very much.

00:00:12.000 You were on stage the other night in the belly room, and we were in the green room.

00:00:15.000 We're like, his voice is so commercial. 0.99

00:00:17.000 Like, it sounds like that goddamn commercial. 0.98

00:00:19.000 I'll never be able to separate the two now. 0.99

00:00:21.000 I know.

00:00:22.000 I shouldn't say that commercial.

00:00:23.000 I'll just say that series of commercials. 0.99

00:00:25.000 How many of those fucking things have you done? 1.00

00:00:26.000 You know what? 1.00

00:00:27.000 I don't know.

00:00:27.000 Probably 30. Jesus!

00:00:29.000 I just do sessions, and then they do whatever they want. 1.00

00:00:32.000 At least you do other shit, man. 0.99

00:00:33.000 If you were just doing that, and then you became the Verizon guy, you know? 1.00

00:00:37.000 Ugh! 0.97

00:00:37.000 Can you hear me now? 0.97

00:00:38.000 Like that guy?

00:00:39.000 Ugh! 1.00

00:00:39.000 That guy's fucked! 1.00

00:00:40.000 He's fucked! 1.00

00:00:40.000 Dell? 1.00

00:00:41.000 You're getting a Dell?

00:00:42.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:00:42.000 Oh, that guy's fucked. 1.00

00:00:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:44.000 How about the girl?

00:00:44.000 The insurance girl?

00:00:46.000 Flo.

00:00:47.000 Is that her name?

00:00:47.000 Flo.

00:00:48.000 Yeah, but at least they keep making those. 1.00

00:00:50.000 She is fucked once she's done, though. 1.00

00:00:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:51.000 But she's probably made a killing by this point. 1.00

00:00:53.000 Hopefully.

00:00:54.000 But is it worth it?

00:00:56.000 At what price, Flo? 0.98

00:00:58.000 But that guy from that fucking commercial that always gets in the accidents and falls down and gets hurt, you know that handsome gentleman? 1.00

00:01:04.000 Yeah, they cast him in a lot of shit. 0.99

00:01:05.000 He's in movies, too. 1.00

00:01:06.000 He's always in movies.

00:01:07.000 He was in John Wick.

00:01:09.000 John Wick was good, right? 0.99

00:01:10.000 Fuck yeah, it was good. 0.99

00:01:11.000 I've heard it's good, I just haven't watched it. 0.99

00:01:13.000 I mean, it's no brilliant Like super creative, undeniable work of art, but it's fun as shit as far as like a really wild, crazy entertainment.

00:01:25.000 It's just, it's like crazy action sequences, right? 0.89

00:01:28.000 The craziest!

00:01:29.000 Because the guy who directed it was a fight coordinator, apparently.

00:01:32.000 Yeah.

00:01:32.000 So he just had ideas for, like, the ideas he'd never given people, I think.

00:01:37.000 Oh.

00:01:37.000 And so he was like, eh.

00:01:39.000 So he just saved it.

00:01:40.000 He basically sandbagged.

00:01:41.000 He must have.

00:01:43.000 He sandbagged everyone he worked for and then unleashed it.

00:01:45.000 Well, doesn't that work with, like, writers?

00:01:47.000 Like, you're a writer.

00:01:48.000 Doesn't that work with writers sometimes?

00:01:50.000 Like, if you see, like, especially writers that are writing for someone else, like a monologue or something like that?

00:01:55.000 I know what you're getting at.

00:01:57.000 No, I mean, like, look, I don't...

00:01:59.000 There's certain jokes that, like, if I'm writing for...

00:02:03.000 Like, Rock or something.

00:02:04.000 It's usually for like the BET Awards.

00:02:07.000 So it's not like, ugh, I would have done that topical joke about Usher.

00:02:14.000 That's the thing about monologues.

00:02:17.000 They're pretty disposable.

00:02:18.000 But yeah, I know people on SNL that sucked as writers, and they became cast members, and then all of a sudden they had a lot of good ideas.

00:02:26.000 They just stored them all like squirrels. 0.92

00:02:28.000 Yeah, just like totally sandbagged people.

00:02:30.000 Yeah, because comics are like inherently kind of self-obsessed, you know, and the idea of like writing selflessly for someone else and making them much better.

00:02:40.000 I was talking to somebody about this yesterday.

00:02:42.000 The fact that...

00:02:45.000 It's an accepted thing in comedy. 0.99

00:02:48.000 It's just the accepted cast system that Rock is basically saying, like, hey, I'm funnier than you, and I'm hosting a show, so fucking give me jokes. 0.98

00:02:57.000 Is that what he's saying? 0.98

00:02:59.000 That's what the world's saying.

00:03:01.000 I don't think it's that explicit.

00:03:03.000 At the same time, there's something flattering about the fact that one of the best comics wants him to remember.

00:03:07.000 It's great.

00:03:09.000 But there's also something about, like, you, come here, rub my back.

00:03:15.000 Hey, other MMA fighter, come run my back. 1.00

00:03:17.000 You're not in this fight.

00:03:18.000 I'm ranked higher than you, so come run my back. 0.97

00:03:20.000 You're just like, okay.

00:03:21.000 You get paid and it's fun and all that stuff.

00:03:22.000 See, I don't think of it that way at all.

00:03:24.000 I think of it as, first of all, for him.

00:03:25.000 Honestly, I don't either.

00:03:26.000 I know you don't.

00:03:27.000 It's very intelligent for him, because it's a smart way to do it, and a lot of people don't do it that way.

00:03:31.000 They don't bring in other people to help them, and their work can kind of suffer.

00:03:36.000 Yeah.

00:03:36.000 You know?

00:03:36.000 Like, he's pretty smart in that way that he's, like, looking at it objectively.

00:03:41.000 Like, there's other strong people around.

00:03:42.000 If I bring them in, it'll make my already strong act even stronger.

00:03:46.000 He doesn't do it for his act.

00:03:47.000 He'll do it for TV shows.

00:03:49.000 Monologues.

00:03:49.000 Yeah.

00:03:49.000 Monologues.

00:03:50.000 And so it's not...

00:03:52.000 And the other thing with Rock is... 0.99

00:03:54.000 It's generally you write stuff for him and send it to him so that he can be confident in his shit. 0.99

00:03:59.000 So you're like, okay, my shit's better than this. 1.00

00:04:03.000 Which is fine. 1.00

00:04:04.000 Well, you just need a giant mound of shit to chop away at and then you find where the gems are. 0.95

00:04:10.000 If you only have a few pretty decent ideas and you're trying to build them up, that's way less effective than an enormous catalog of ideas and you get to try and pick the best ones. 0.98

00:04:20.000 Yeah, that's what Rock always says.

00:04:23.000 He's like, I have comedy writers around the way.

00:04:26.000 Rappers have gold chains.

00:04:28.000 That's all he spends his money on.

00:04:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:31.000 He's not going to buy a chain. 0.99

00:04:33.000 He's like, I'll just have a writer write for a fucking movie with me. 1.00

00:04:37.000 That's smart. 0.99

00:04:38.000 Well, that's why he's Chris Rock.

00:04:40.000 He's got his effective strategy for optimizing all of his shows and all of his sets. 0.98

00:04:47.000 He knows what the fuck he's doing. 0.86

00:04:49.000 The thing that I was, when you were saying about having other people come in and look, I find that a lot of guys, comedian-wise, when you get to the theater level, it's basically all your audiences are henpecked. 0.99

00:05:05.000 All of your audiences are predisposed to like you.

00:05:08.000 Do you ever, and what I found is a lot of people when they go to theaters, their act either plateaus or gets worse. 0.98

00:05:16.000 Do you ever specifically go to rooms where they don't know you're coming so you can get a better read on shit? 0.98

00:05:23.000 Yeah. 0.77

00:05:24.000 Well, I do a lot of sets during the day, like regular sets at the improv or the store where they're there to see a wide variety of people.

00:05:32.000 I do a lot of those.

00:05:33.000 I think those are important. 0.96

00:05:34.000 I think sets at the store are important, period, because it's a fucking jaded group down there. 0.96

00:05:38.000 It's beautiful and magical, but it's jaded. 0.98

00:05:41.000 Yeah.

00:05:41.000 It's the hardest room in the world.

00:05:43.000 The belly room? 0.82

00:05:44.000 Yeah.

00:05:45.000 You might as well be doing stand-up for one person.

00:05:47.000 100%.

00:05:47.000 The people are right in front of you.

00:05:49.000 The worst part of a belly room is there's people to the right that could just charge the stage.

00:05:55.000 They're right there. 0.99

00:05:56.000 They're fucking right there. 1.00

00:05:57.000 They can just sprint at you. 0.99

00:05:58.000 Yeah.

00:05:59.000 Well, it's also, they have, you know, it's great, though. 0.98

00:06:02.000 Like, all we're saying, you know, about the thing, like, the worst part of it, but even the worst part about it is magic, because that room is fucking magic, man.

00:06:11.000 That belly room, if you get something to work in that belly room, we were talking about this last night, that there's the belly room and the ice house, and the ice house is maybe the best club ever.

00:06:22.000 It's got the rep, and having done it, it's like the easiest club.

00:06:25.000 Easiest.

00:06:25.000 Yeah.

00:06:26.000 Well, it's just set up perfect.

00:06:28.000 The ceiling is low.

00:06:30.000 Everyone's stuffed in there.

00:06:31.000 It's very contagious laughter.

00:06:32.000 It's great acoustics.

00:06:33.000 It's all wood everywhere.

00:06:35.000 The laughter really reverberates.

00:06:37.000 And it's got... 0.98

00:06:38.000 Whatever the fuck, 50 years of comedy burned into the walls. 0.98

00:06:43.000 It's the oldest club in the country. 0.99

00:06:45.000 I think it's older than 50 years old.

00:06:47.000 Isn't it?

00:06:48.000 Yeah, I think it is.

00:06:49.000 I think it's like 55 years old or something like that.

00:06:51.000 But it's essentially the oldest comedy club on earth.

00:06:54.000 Because the oldest clubs for comedy were in America.

00:06:57.000 It's the oldest one in America.

00:06:58.000 So it's the oldest, longest running club ever.

00:07:01.000 So it's a super rare place.

00:07:03.000 But it's way easier than like the OR or especially the belly room.

00:07:08.000 It's a different kind of...

00:07:09.000 Louie was saying in an interview, like, when he's in L.A., he'll go, he'll do, like, an alternative show, then he'll do the improv or the laugh factory, and then he'll do the store.

00:07:21.000 And it's like, if it works...

00:07:24.000 He's like, everything will work at an alternative room, some stuff will work at the improv, and one thing will work at the store.

00:07:31.000 And the one thing that works at the store that he keeps.

00:07:34.000 That's smart.

00:07:35.000 Yeah.

00:07:36.000 But you need all of those, because when I was just doing the store only, I think my act suffered a little bit.

00:07:42.000 Where does it go?

00:07:43.000 Because that's the thing, it's hard to...

00:07:44.000 What is the psychographic of the store?

00:07:46.000 You think they...

00:07:47.000 Because I still couldn't tell you, having been working there six, seven years, I still couldn't tell you like the psychology of that kind of person, of the average, of the audience's collective Unconscious kind of thing.

00:08:00.000 Well, first of all, let me just say this.

00:08:02.000 It's way better now.

00:08:04.000 My second run at the store from 2007 on, I wasn't there.

00:08:09.000 So I started up again December 2014. It's way better.

00:08:14.000 It's just better.

00:08:15.000 It's a better club.

00:08:16.000 The young guys coming up are better.

00:08:17.000 There's a better vibe.

00:08:18.000 The audiences are better.

00:08:20.000 When I was there in the early 2000s, man, I was a war zone.

00:08:23.000 It was all old-timers, right?

00:08:26.000 I mean, it was all clubs were old.

00:08:27.000 But it was also the audience was just like monsters.

00:08:30.000 There was a lot of monsters. 0.83

00:08:32.000 Like rapey? 1.00

00:08:32.000 Dumb, heckly, drunky, no crowd control at all. 1.00

00:08:36.000 They have real crowd control now. 1.00

00:08:38.000 They'll kick people out if they're retarded. 1.00

00:08:39.000 They didn't used to do that. 0.94

00:08:41.000 They'll kick people out if they say eight things.

00:08:43.000 Yeah.

00:08:44.000 You have to say eight. 1.00

00:08:45.000 Yeah, you have to say fucking eight. 0.99

00:08:46.000 Any of these clubs are like, no, we're good. 1.00

00:08:48.000 It's fucking get them out. 0.99

00:08:50.000 They say more than one thing, get them out. 1.00

00:08:52.000 They kicked a guy out of the ice house last night.

00:08:54.000 He started, like, early on this one bit, he kept yelling the same thing out while the bit was going out.

00:09:00.000 And I figured, let me ignore him.

00:09:01.000 And then we got to the end of the bit, and he's still yelling out the thing. 1.00

00:09:04.000 I'm like, I heard you, you fuck. 0.99

00:09:05.000 And he's like, well, I know I was talking about that thing on your podcast. 1.00

00:09:07.000 I go, we're not having a conversation. 1.00

00:09:09.000 It's a fucking show. 1.00

00:09:10.000 And then he keeps going. 1.00

00:09:11.000 I'm like, oh, fucking Christ. 0.99

00:09:12.000 And then when the bouncers come over to take him away, he goes, are you serious? 0.99

00:09:16.000 Like, are you serious?

00:09:17.000 I was helping.

00:09:18.000 What do you think, they just picked you?

00:09:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:09:20.000 They just randomly picked a guy and decided to fuck with him. 1.00

00:09:22.000 That's what I said the other day to a woman who was yelling. 1.00

00:09:24.000 I go, do you go to fucking Katy Perry concerts, sit at the bottom of the stage and just sing along with her? 1.00

00:09:30.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:09:31.000 Like, I don't need your help. 1.00

00:09:33.000 They didn't book the show and go, those four guys and then hopefully someone will come and heckle them.

00:09:37.000 Yeah, but a Katy Perry concert, if you go and sit there and sing along with her, it's probably flattering.

00:09:41.000 She can't hear you, yeah, but if you're at the foot of the stage doing it, it's probably annoying.

00:09:47.000 The worst would be if you were saying, don't sing that song!

00:09:50.000 Yes, precisely.

00:09:51.000 Don't you have another song?

00:09:52.000 John Mayer was telling me, the name drop, was saying that the biggest issue at his shows now...

00:10:01.000 Girls running to the foot of the stage, turning their back to him, and taking a selfie.

00:10:06.000 Oh, no.

00:10:07.000 He has security to, like, stop it.

00:10:10.000 It's like, if I didn't stop it, there'd be hundreds of people every show.

00:10:14.000 Wow.

00:10:14.000 And it's hugely distracting, because there's a thing darting at the thing you're looking at.

00:10:18.000 Well, don't you find it distracting when you look out into the crowd and you see like ten phones up taking photos of you?

00:10:24.000 Yeah.

00:10:25.000 Or taking a selfie or taking a picture.

00:10:27.000 Hey, here I am with the Neil Brennan show.

00:10:28.000 Hey! 0.99

00:10:30.000 Killing it! 1.00

00:10:31.000 Hashtag killing it! 1.00

00:10:32.000 Hey! 0.99

00:10:32.000 Hashtag winning! 0.99

00:10:33.000 Hashtag tiger blood!

00:10:35.000 I mean, there's so many people who want to take pictures now that Hannibal Buress did some weird thing at one of his shows.

00:10:42.000 Where they have some new technology.

00:10:44.000 It's like a pouch.

00:10:45.000 And they give you this pouch, you close it, and when you're inside the club, the pouch doesn't open.

00:10:50.000 Yeah.

00:10:51.000 So you can't get to your phone.

00:10:52.000 Yeah.

00:10:52.000 So if your phone rings, if you feel like you must answer it, you have to leave the venue, and then the pouch will open.

00:10:58.000 I guess it works on some sort of, like...

00:11:01.000 A frequency, like if you're past, like one of those electronic dog callers, you know those things?

00:11:06.000 So it's something like that. 1.00

00:11:07.000 But man, the reaction to it was like, fuck you. 1.00

00:11:10.000 I was reading all the reaction. 1.00

00:11:11.000 Oh, so you actually, okay.

00:11:13.000 I tweeted it.

00:11:14.000 Yeah.

00:11:14.000 You know, because I saw the story, I'm like, hmm, this is kind of interesting.

00:11:17.000 I wonder how people feel about this.

00:11:18.000 Not that I would implement it.

00:11:20.000 I feel like the Streisand effect is in effect, you know, the Streisand effect.

00:11:24.000 You know what that is?

00:11:26.000 Barbara Streisand, they found her house and they put her house online.

00:11:30.000 Like someone took a photo of it and like, this is where Barbara Streisand's house is.

00:11:34.000 And so she was offended. 0.99

00:11:36.000 She made this big deal and she's like, fuck you, take my house down, this and that. 1.00

00:11:41.000 And because she put so much effort into fighting the fact that her house was down, way more people knew about her house, and they all attacked and went after her. 0.99

00:11:49.000 I think if you tell people, you can't bring your cell phone to my show, then they start wearing GoPros.

00:11:55.000 They put a GoPro on, or they'll film from one of those glasses that has the lens in the center of it.

00:12:02.000 Have you had that at the show?

00:12:03.000 No.

00:12:03.000 I had a guy Google Glasses.

00:12:06.000 Oh, Google Glasses. 0.99

00:12:07.000 At the Laugh Factory, and I go, dude, I can't fucking... 0.99

00:12:10.000 Yeah. 0.91

00:12:10.000 I don't know if you're taping. 0.91

00:12:12.000 Right. 1.00

00:12:12.000 So, you're just being a dick. 1.00

00:12:14.000 Right. 1.00

00:12:14.000 Because, you know, it's all I can think about now is this fucking dude with a visor in my peripheral vision, and he might be... 1.00

00:12:22.000 He could be fucking periscoping it now. 0.98

00:12:24.000 Can you periscope from Google Glass? 0.99

00:12:26.000 I don't know.

00:12:26.000 I think Google Glass might even be dead.

00:12:28.000 Do you periscope this show?

00:12:29.000 I do periscope things, but no, not the show.

00:12:32.000 How come?

00:12:32.000 I want to tweet about this, by the way.

00:12:34.000 Where should people go?

00:12:36.000 The show?

00:12:36.000 Yeah.

00:12:36.000 I already tweeted it.

00:12:37.000 Okay.

00:12:38.000 Just go to mine and retweet it if you need to.

00:12:40.000 You're a bit addicted to that phone.

00:12:41.000 No, hold on. 1.00

00:12:42.000 You can't put that fucker down. 1.00

00:12:43.000 Let me just get it over with. 1.00

00:12:44.000 Get your sister taste. 0.94

00:12:46.000 Joseph.

00:12:46.000 Just a taste, baby.

00:12:47.000 No, no, [...

00:12:48.000 No, I got it.

00:12:49.000 It's ironic.

00:12:49.000 I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it.

00:12:50.000 You're a commercial actor for a cell phone company, and you're addicted to cell phones. 0.58

00:12:55.000 The snake is eating the tail.

00:12:59.000 Wrapping around you.

00:13:00.000 Neil.

00:13:02.000 All right, retweeting.

00:13:04.000 Why aren't you periscoping Neil?

00:13:08.000 All right, I'll cut.

00:13:10.000 You pushed it away.

00:13:11.000 I love it.

00:13:12.000 I love it.

00:13:13.000 It's out of range.

00:13:14.000 Is it haunting you right now?

00:13:15.000 That it's out of range?

00:13:16.000 No?

00:13:16.000 Sometimes it haunts me.

00:13:18.000 I put my phone over there. 0.83

00:13:19.000 But what if there's something important happening right now in the world of van to four-wheel drive conversions or whatever the fuck I'm looking at? 0.66

00:13:27.000 The thing with the cell phone thing?

00:13:28.000 Someone was telling me when you go, again, this isn't my name drop, when you go to Drake's house when girls come over, he makes everyone turn their cell phones in.

00:13:37.000 Really?

00:13:37.000 Yeah.

00:13:38.000 Smart.

00:13:39.000 Yeah.

00:13:39.000 Because they're gonna want to take a picture.

00:13:41.000 Of course.

00:13:42.000 Yeah.

00:13:42.000 And he's just like, no, you can't do it.

00:13:44.000 So he makes them, like, put it in a bucket or something?

00:13:46.000 Yeah.

00:13:46.000 I don't know the specifics of it, but...

00:13:49.000 Good move.

00:13:49.000 Yeah.

00:13:50.000 You should have a vault.

00:13:51.000 Smart.

00:13:52.000 Put your phone...

00:13:53.000 Why is a table in the vault?

00:13:54.000 That's where your phone goes.

00:13:55.000 Yeah.

00:13:55.000 What?

00:13:56.000 Everybody puts their phones in the wall.

00:13:58.000 You want to say it?

00:13:59.000 Yeah.

00:14:02.000 No phones.

00:14:03.000 No phones, baby.

00:14:04.000 But how are we going to take a selfie, Drake?

00:14:08.000 I got it, baby.

00:14:09.000 I got it.

00:14:09.000 Well, you have to have, if you're like one of those big-time baller rapper characters and you're trying to keep everything on the DL, or at least keep as much of your private life private as possible, you've got to take some serious precautionary steps.

00:14:24.000 I've heard of guys having pre-nups, or not pre-nups, but non-disclosures.

00:14:29.000 I mean, not everybody, but that's a common thing.

00:14:33.000 I've heard things where you can't even be in the bedroom with the person until you've signed an NDA. Wow.

00:14:43.000 Well, if you're worried about a fake rape accusation, that's the way to deal with it, I guess. 0.96

00:14:49.000 But then the girl could say, well, I was, like, thinking we were going to make out, and as soon as I signed it, he just started raping me. 0.91

00:14:56.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:14:56.000 And then it's like, well, but you said you wouldn't say it. 0.97

00:15:01.000 But look here, honey, I'm in a tough spot.

00:15:03.000 Because you said, yeah, I think they assume once I sign this.

00:15:10.000 Not like all bets are off, but I think they just assume.

00:15:13.000 I don't know, man.

00:15:14.000 I would think that, yeah, I guess.

00:15:15.000 If you're Michael Jordan, though, what do you do?

00:15:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:19.000 You have to.

00:15:21.000 Well, those guys, when you're worth as much money as a guy like Michael Jordan, you become not just a human being, but an opportunity.

00:15:28.000 Yeah.

00:15:29.000 You're a multinational corporation walking around, and people are looking to do slip-and-fall accidents and charge you with it.

00:15:38.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:15:39.000 Completely.

00:15:40.000 100%.

00:15:40.000 Right?

00:15:41.000 You've got to think that that is...

00:15:44.000 He's a target in that sense. 0.99

00:15:46.000 Whereas if you're worth that kind of money, people look at you and they go, look, if I sue this motherfucker for a hundred million dollars... 0.99

00:15:51.000 If things go badly, I get five. 0.98

00:15:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:15:53.000 I mean, he might only give me half a million dollars just to shut the fuck up. 0.99

00:15:56.000 Yep. 0.98

00:15:57.000 And then, boom, you're out the door with a half a million bucks.

00:15:59.000 And, you know, nothing really even happened to you.

00:16:01.000 And there's a bunch of people that do that over and over and over and over and over.

00:16:05.000 Michael Jordan probably gets sued every day.

00:16:08.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:16:09.000 Yeah, between the corporation and the, just every, like, there's, yeah.

00:16:13.000 Wow. 0.99

00:16:14.000 Isn't that fucked? 1.00

00:16:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:16:15.000 I was reading about this one guy who was involved, I forget what the case, but it turned out that he had sued, like, dozens and dozens of people for, like, he's a professional lawsuit litigator, or lawsuit court. 0.99

00:16:31.000 Claimant. 0.97

00:16:32.000 Whatever the fuck it is. 1.00

00:16:33.000 Some shit. 1.00

00:16:34.000 And this guy just does that. 1.00

00:16:36.000 It goes from one to the next.

00:16:38.000 Tries to figure out how to make some money and then sues this guy and then sues that guy for fraud and this guy for fraud.

00:16:44.000 That's a creepy abuse.

00:16:46.000 There's a music company like that that just will go after the slightest...

00:16:53.000 Really?

00:16:54.000 Yeah, it's like they're known in the music industry, they will sue you. 0.86

00:16:59.000 It's like Commodore music or some shit, and they'll just go after fucking the slightest, it kind of sounds like this, and it holds people up, and people just settle. 0.59

00:17:10.000 Well, every now and then, when one does get through, like that song that was like... 0.97

00:17:14.000 Blurred Lines, yeah.

00:17:15.000 Yeah, Marvin Gaye.

00:17:16.000 Yeah.

00:17:16.000 I mean, that was exactly...

00:17:18.000 Like, how the fuck did they not know that people are going to see that? 0.99

00:17:22.000 I think there's so much copying in the music business that I think they were just like, yeah, it's just kind of like, someone sounds just like fucking that song. 0.99

00:17:32.000 You know what I was listening to? 0.94

00:17:33.000 I was listening to a podcast, I can't remember what it was the other day, but they were playing Bob Dylan songs that were stolen, that Dylan stole.

00:17:41.000 What?

00:17:41.000 Because he was doing all folk songs.

00:17:44.000 So it was all sort of public domain, but he was taking other people's melodies and And then making them, changing the lyrics, and those became hits for him. 0.91

00:17:55.000 Yeah, it was, it blew my mind, because you go, Bob Dylan, of all people, he's like, you know, the poet laureate of the fucking 20th century, yeah.

00:18:02.000 Just as much as anybody else, yeah.

00:18:03.000 George Harrison got sued for two different songs.

00:18:08.000 Was My Guitar, was that one of them?

00:18:11.000 They were both hits.

00:18:13.000 One was like, I'd like to teach the world to sing.

00:18:16.000 I think he did one that...

00:18:17.000 I think Coke did it before him.

00:18:20.000 Really?

00:18:20.000 And then he did something that sounded like and lost that.

00:18:23.000 I believe.

00:18:23.000 I could be wrong, but...

00:18:24.000 I'd like to buy the world of Coke.

00:18:25.000 Yeah.

00:18:26.000 That was before I'd like to teach the world to sing?

00:18:28.000 No, I... No, that's the same song.

00:18:31.000 Oh.

00:18:33.000 I don't know what George Harrison's was, but I know that he lost two lawsuits.

00:18:38.000 But the Thin Lines one, after all the different lawsuits and all the different people that have been sued for stealing lines in songs or stealing melodies, you would think that they wouldn't think that they could pull that off.

00:18:50.000 Yeah, I was surprised they won, to be honest with you.

00:18:53.000 Really?

00:18:54.000 Yeah, I was surprised they won, because you can make a case it's different enough.

00:18:57.000 Really?

00:18:58.000 Yeah.

00:18:58.000 It's not the same tempo.

00:19:02.000 Oh, okay.

00:19:03.000 Maybe I was wrong.

00:19:05.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:19:05.000 Maybe we need to listen to it.

00:19:06.000 I know they did another one.

00:19:08.000 They tried to go after him for another Marvin Gaye song.

00:19:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:14.000 But that one's like much more shaky than this one.

00:19:17.000 And Pharrell's a creative guy, so it's not like they're dealing with some hack.

00:19:21.000 And he wrote the whole thing.

00:19:22.000 Is it possible that Pharrell's a little bit of a hack?

00:19:26.000 Look, anything's possible, Jeff.

00:19:29.000 Anything is possible.

00:19:30.000 I mean, yeah.

00:19:32.000 Everyone's a little bit of a hack, I guess.

00:19:34.000 Bob Dylan's a little bit of a hack.

00:19:36.000 Precisely.

00:19:37.000 None of us are safe.

00:19:38.000 None of us are safe.

00:19:39.000 If Bill Cosby's raping, what chance do the rest of us have?

00:19:44.000 Is that the biggest shock that you've ever heard in all of your years?

00:19:47.000 No!

00:19:47.000 You know why?

00:19:48.000 Why? 1.00

00:19:48.000 Because I met him 20 years ago, and he was a fucking dick, and... 1.00

00:19:54.000 When his show started, the sitcom, I was like, I don't like that guy. 1.00

00:19:58.000 Really?

00:19:58.000 I promise you.

00:19:59.000 As a ten-year-old, I was like, I don't like that guy. 1.00

00:20:01.000 Just a fucking egomaniac. 1.00

00:20:02.000 I knew it from the... 1.00

00:20:03.000 I mean, I'm rarely that right about something. 0.80

00:20:06.000 Rarely do I not like someone and they turn out to be, like, a serial rapist, but... 0.99

00:20:11.000 Usually he was just kind of a dick, but to become a... 0.99

00:20:14.000 I was like, yeah, that totally makes sense. 0.98

00:20:15.000 So before you ever met him, you had this...

00:20:18.000 You'd made him.

00:20:19.000 You'd figured it out.

00:20:20.000 Didn't like...

00:20:21.000 Never liked the sitcom.

00:20:22.000 Thought I was crazy.

00:20:23.000 Really?

00:20:24.000 Yeah.

00:20:24.000 When I went to college, NYU, there was an essay in some English lit book explaining what the formula for the show was, which was...

00:20:35.000 The kids have an original idea...

00:20:41.000 An original desire, an original idea, and then Bill Cosby spends the episode chopping them down.

00:20:47.000 And it was like, yeah, that's exactly what every episode was.

00:20:50.000 And I hated it just as a kid. 1.00

00:20:52.000 I'm like, fuck this guy. 1.00

00:20:54.000 Fuck him! 1.00

00:20:55.000 Like, let him have a fucking, let Ruby or whatever, Rudy, have a fucking, let her get a pet. 1.00

00:21:03.000 Or whatever she wanted. 1.00

00:21:06.000 So you met him?

00:21:07.000 Yeah.

00:21:08.000 And how long after you saw the show did you meet him?

00:21:11.000 I met him in 1993 at the Arsenio Hall Show, the original.

00:21:17.000 Really?

00:21:18.000 Yeah.

00:21:18.000 So did we know each other then?

00:21:21.000 Yeah, it was after I, I mean, we hadn't seen it, but it was like, after I was a doorman, moved out here, and went to, and met the woman who worked at Arsenio, and through Dave, and whatever, so she was like, whenever there's somebody cool on, she's like, come and meet someone.

00:21:36.000 So, met him, and he was talking about Slavery.

00:21:42.000 And he was like, it was me, him, and two black dudes.

00:21:46.000 And he goes, he, Bill Cosby goes, and then the Dutch man came and pointed at me.

00:21:51.000 And I was like, I'm not Dutch.

00:21:53.000 He was like, you know, close enough.

00:21:55.000 But the fact that he would point at me, he was like, we're not, you know I'm not. 0.99

00:21:58.000 What are the odds I'm fucking Dutch? 0.89

00:22:00.000 And the fact that he just like pointed at me and was, and he's a... 0.99

00:22:05.000 Predator, like wildly smug guy.

00:22:08.000 Wildly smug, yeah.

00:22:10.000 Huh.

00:22:11.000 Like, you know, smart guy, but not as...

00:22:14.000 He's one of those guys who'll talk and then say, in other words, four times.

00:22:18.000 It's like, no, you're making the same point four different...

00:22:20.000 Like, I got it the first time.

00:22:22.000 Right.

00:22:22.000 To impress himself?

00:22:23.000 Yeah.

00:22:24.000 In my experience, yeah. 0.99

00:22:26.000 Yeah, smug, like really smug people, like, God damn it. 0.98

00:22:29.000 Like, what are we doing here? 0.99

00:22:31.000 Are we wrestling or are we having a conversation?

00:22:33.000 Like, what are we doing here?

00:22:34.000 Well, they're not, you're not there.

00:22:36.000 Yeah.

00:22:37.000 You don't, it doesn't matter who they're talking to. 1.00

00:22:40.000 You're just a warm, you're just like a, if they're the predator, you're just like fucking red. 0.99

00:22:45.000 Like, you're just a thing that they're talking at. 1.00

00:22:47.000 Yeah.

00:22:47.000 And the heat signature.

00:22:50.000 Yeah, you're a walking heat signature.

00:22:52.000 Yeah.

00:22:54.000 Well, that to me was the only thing that made sense about this.

00:22:59.000 It's like, how could someone drug somebody like that? 0.98

00:23:02.000 And then I thought about it and I was like, I bet if you have lived decade after decade of people just kissing your ass and everyone around you is like some weird form of a yes man, like you have a whole industry behind you. 0.97

00:23:15.000 When he's on the show, like think about he has all the production assistants and the producers and the executive producers and the cameramen and the sound guys and the makeup people and everyone is just... 0.90

00:23:25.000 Yeah.

00:23:26.000 Mr. Cosby and that's your existence and you get on stage in front of that crowd and you're making this show for America. 1.00

00:23:32.000 And he's a fucking... 1.00

00:23:34.000 Killer comedian. 1.00

00:23:35.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:23:35.000 He's a fucking killer. 1.00

00:23:37.000 I don't like the guy and I'm saying he's a killer. 1.00

00:23:39.000 And do you think that you just developed this sort of like really distorted psychotic view of yourself in relationship to the rest of the world?

00:23:49.000 I don't think so because he's the first famous person that's...

00:23:53.000 I think he had the pathology before he was famous. 1.00

00:23:56.000 The idea that, I've never heard of a famous person like, oh yeah, so my shit now is, I got to the drug bitches and rape them when they're asleep level. 1.00

00:24:06.000 Like, that's not a level. 0.99

00:24:07.000 That's not like a known, so I think it was a thing that he had.

00:24:13.000 In some ways, I don't feel bad for him, but what do you do?

00:24:21.000 You know, any sexual desire you have, you're eventually gonna do.

00:24:24.000 You can quell it for four nights.

00:24:27.000 So you're saying, like, if you have that...

00:24:29.000 What do you do?

00:24:30.000 ...kind of creeper desire. 0.88

00:24:31.000 Like, there was This American Life about a guy who was a pedophile.

00:24:35.000 He was 19. He was a pedophile. 0.96

00:24:38.000 Had sexual feelings for, like, 10, 12-year-old boys. 0.99

00:24:41.000 Hadn't acted on it.

00:24:42.000 And it's like, what do I do?

00:24:45.000 Jesus Christ.

00:24:45.000 What do you do?

00:24:46.000 That's like, when people go so-and-so, like, prostitutes, whatever, it's like, transvestite, whatever, it's like, poor him! 1.00

00:24:54.000 Like, in some ways, it's like, your dick makes you do awful shit. 1.00

00:24:58.000 So I believe he had that before he was famous or anything. 1.00

00:25:03.000 I wonder if that part is that this was a more commonly accepted practice.

00:25:09.000 Because he had a bit that he used to do about Spanish fly.

00:25:12.000 You know that bit?

00:25:13.000 Yeah.

00:25:14.000 I wonder if like people didn't think that it was that big of a deal or as big of a deal as they think of now.

00:25:20.000 Like maybe people didn't think of hitting someone with a Mickey.

00:25:24.000 That's what they used to call it.

00:25:25.000 They had a cute little name for it.

00:25:26.000 Whereas now it's like drug rape.

00:25:29.000 Yeah.

00:25:29.000 You know?

00:25:30.000 Yeah.

00:25:30.000 To me that Spanish fly...

00:25:33.000 Argument was a that just sounded like one of those remember back in the day bits like remember speak and spell it's like one of those bits for generation But yeah, I think it was way more like there was I was reading about the one of the girls who lived at Hugh Hefner's house and He offered her a quaalude and said back in the old days they used to call these leg openers Or thigh openers.

00:25:54.000 And it's just like, I believe it.

00:25:57.000 I believe that they used to call them thigh openers.

00:25:58.000 Yeah, it's like, yeah, women, even 30 years ago, didn't have a lot of rights. 0.96

00:26:04.000 Like, sexual harassment, I don't think the first sexual harassment suit was till, at the earliest it was the late 70s.

00:26:12.000 It's amazing how much things have changed and how quickly things have changed.

00:26:16.000 We were reading yesterday on the podcast, was it yesterday, the day before yesterday, this speech by Lincoln when he was debating, like 1858, debating the rights of black people.

00:26:28.000 And even Lincoln, back then, was saying that he didn't think that they should be allowed to serve on juries or vote or even intermarry with whites.

00:26:37.000 And it was like, whoa, that's not that long ago, man.

00:26:40.000 He thought that there were four-fifths of a person.

00:26:43.000 It's like, you're not three-fifths, but you're not five-fifths either.

00:26:48.000 And, you know, the argument is, well, listen, you have to put it into context.

00:26:52.000 Like, his time, during his time, this was revolutionary.

00:26:55.000 Yeah, that was progressive.

00:26:56.000 It was incredibly progressive.

00:26:57.000 Yeah.

00:26:58.000 That's not that long ago, man.

00:26:59.000 No.

00:27:00.000 It's not long ago at all.

00:27:01.000 That's not even 200 years ago.

00:27:02.000 What's cool is, the period that we're living in now, is you can get rights. 0.99

00:27:07.000 I mean, this shit is like the gay rights movement and the trans rights. 0.99

00:27:10.000 I mean, I've never seen a movement like this Them get traction rights. 1.00

00:27:15.000 The marriage thing's amazing.

00:27:17.000 They're starting to get gay marriage all over the country.

00:27:19.000 It's like popping up, pop, pop, pop. 1.00

00:27:21.000 Yeah, it's because it was stupid anyway, but... 0.99

00:27:24.000 Well, first of all, let's be honest. 1.00

00:27:26.000 Marriage is pretty fucking stupid. 1.00

00:27:27.000 Retardant. 1.00

00:27:28.000 And this is coming from a married person.

00:27:29.000 Yeah.

00:27:29.000 The idea of, like, you're going to sign a contract to someone based on romance.

00:27:33.000 Yeah.

00:27:33.000 Like, you know, I get it.

00:27:35.000 I get that you'd want it.

00:27:36.000 You'd want some sort of security. 0.99

00:27:37.000 But if you're gay and you can't even make people... 1.00

00:27:40.000 You can't even get pregnant, okay? 1.00

00:27:42.000 Unless you guys figure out how to...

00:27:44.000 You have to get a surrogate, or you're talking about, you know, maybe friends that are also lesbians that want a kid, and, like, I'll tell you, we'll have two kids. 1.00

00:27:53.000 You give me one, and I'll tell you...

00:27:55.000 How do you work it out that they're going to be your kids?

00:27:58.000 Yeah, but it wasn't about that. 0.95

00:28:00.000 It was about, like, you also couldn't visit your gay lover in the hospital. 0.51

00:28:04.000 You couldn't get, like...

00:28:05.000 Insurance rights, all that stuff.

00:28:06.000 No, look, it's...

00:28:08.000 Even if you don't want to get married, it's equality. 0.99

00:28:12.000 You don't want a fucking law that says a man can't marry another man that he loves. 1.00

00:28:18.000 That's gross and stupid. 1.00

00:28:20.000 And the fact that that was common until really recently. 1.00

00:28:24.000 And the argument being like, cause it ain't right. 0.94

00:28:27.000 Well, that's not a fucking, it ain't right's not a legal argument. 0.94

00:28:31.000 It's still being going on today. 0.97

00:28:32.000 These guys that are running for Republican office, it's still happening today.

00:28:37.000 Yeah.

00:28:37.000 You know, I mean, Rick Santorum was just talking about it recently.

00:28:40.000 All these fucking dummies. 1.00

00:28:41.000 What is that guy? 1.00

00:28:43.000 Ted Cruz.

00:28:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:28:44.000 That fucking dummy doesn't believe in it. 1.00

00:28:46.000 They're just gonna lose. 1.00

00:28:47.000 It's like you fucking dumbasses. 1.00

00:28:48.000 There's enough people that cling to that stupidity that are still on their side for now. 1.00

00:28:54.000 They're like the last fucking Confederate flag holdouts. 1.00

00:28:57.000 And is there or is there not something in the Bible about it? 0.99

00:29:01.000 Because I've heard two different arguments.

00:29:02.000 Yeah, men are not supposed to lie down with men.

00:29:04.000 It's an abomination.

00:29:05.000 That's what it says.

00:29:06.000 But says who? 1.00

00:29:08.000 You're dealing with multiple translations of a book that was bullshit. 0.98

00:29:12.000 A fake book from 2000 years ago, yeah. 0.97

00:29:13.000 Well, not only this, more than 2,000 years ago.

00:29:15.000 The oldest versions of the Bible that we know of today are the Dead Sea Scrolls.

00:29:19.000 And the Dead Sea Scrolls is the only version of the Bible that's in Aramaic.

00:29:24.000 And when they try to translate it, the stories are similar but different.

00:29:28.000 There's all sorts of wacky shit in the Dead Sea Scrolls that isn't in any of the other books, any of the other religious texts.

00:29:35.000 And then you get to the oldest version of the Bible, it's all in ancient Hebrew. 0.99

00:29:38.000 Who the fuck speaks ancient Hebrew? 0.99

00:29:40.000 You've got to translate that to Latin, and they translated that to Greek, and a lot of shit gets missing in the process. 0.99

00:29:47.000 They wrote ancient Hebrew, too.

00:29:49.000 Ancient Hebrew letters and numbers were interchangeable.

00:29:52.000 Words had numerical value to them.

00:29:54.000 There was no number, so the letter A was also the number one.

00:29:58.000 Yeah.

00:29:58.000 So it could mean anything.

00:29:59.000 Well, it's just such a different context.

00:30:02.000 There's a different meaning to everything.

00:30:05.000 Like the word God and the word love, they have the same numerical value.

00:30:09.000 And numerical values are actually important when you're saying a sentence.

00:30:14.000 You know how you say a sentence?

00:30:16.000 There's tone, there's sarcasm, you can see things in it.

00:30:21.000 That's why texting is hard to...

00:30:22.000 Exactly.

00:30:23.000 Are you mad at me? 0.99

00:30:24.000 Like, no, man, we're fucking around. 0.99

00:30:25.000 You know, sometimes people don't know. 1.00

00:30:27.000 No, I'm mad at you.

00:30:28.000 But in ancient Hebrew, apparently, it's hard for us to put it into perspective and kind of understand the way they communicated.

00:30:36.000 But when they wrote things down, there was inherent numerical quality to the sentences.

00:30:41.000 They had like a sum.

00:30:43.000 It was like the sentence had numbers to it.

00:30:48.000 There are 50 arguments against why the Bible is real, and there's one pro-argument, which is, I like it.

00:30:58.000 It makes me feel good.

00:30:59.000 That's the only argument you can give.

00:31:01.000 Well, the idea that God would write one book a long time ago, tell one dude, and then go off to manage...

00:31:09.000 Grasshopper populations and make sure hurricanes happen. 1.00

00:31:11.000 Like, where have you been, man?

00:31:13.000 How come you don't tell us again?

00:31:15.000 Don't you understand?

00:31:16.000 There's 30 different versions of this.

00:31:17.000 Wouldn't you want to clear it up? 0.99

00:31:19.000 Yeah, you're a dick at this point. 0.78

00:31:20.000 Like, if you made a quote, like, if there was a controversial issue that came up, you know, and you made a quote, and then a bunch of people took that quote and butchered it and twisted it up 15 different ways to Sunday, and you were aware of it, Wouldn't you want to correct that? 0.98

00:31:34.000 Wouldn't you want to come back and go, whoa, whoa, whoa?

00:31:36.000 I didn't say you have to eat babies that are the color of orange.

00:31:40.000 That is not what I said. 0.99

00:31:41.000 You guys fucked the whole thing up. 0.97

00:31:44.000 But not this God guy. 0.99

00:31:46.000 He's like, I told you.

00:31:47.000 I told you.

00:31:48.000 I told you once.

00:31:50.000 And I'm not going to tell you again.

00:31:52.000 What about all these people that are lying about what you said?

00:31:54.000 You've got to figure out who's lying.

00:31:55.000 It's not my problem.

00:31:56.000 It's not my game, bro.

00:31:58.000 So you believe in a God?

00:32:00.000 I don't not believe.

00:32:03.000 I think it would be super arrogant to say, I don't believe in God.

00:32:06.000 I've seen so many things on psychedelic drugs that don't make any sense at all.

00:32:10.000 And I'm like, why would I ever be so cocky as to think that I have the whole framework of the universe spelled out?

00:32:16.000 It's purely speculation, even for scientists.

00:32:19.000 Like, for scientists.

00:32:21.000 And scientists are studying the very nature of matter itself, down to subatomic particles and quasars and supernovas and gas clouds and all these different things they're studying.

00:32:33.000 At the end of the day, All they are really truly aware of is what they can perceive with their own senses in this existence They don't know what happens when you die They don't know if it's just a gateway to another new completely different kind of experience They don't know and the idea that it's not that it's just death It's death,

00:32:52.000 and it's black, and it's darkness.

00:32:54.000 Well, where did you come from in the first place?

00:32:55.000 Why are you even here?

00:32:57.000 Why are you even here as a conscious entity?

00:32:59.000 Like, why is the idea of you, you thinking about you, that is a real thing?

00:33:03.000 Like, what purpose does it serve?

00:33:05.000 And why does it exist?

00:33:06.000 And is it possible that this whole thing is just a long process Sort of like a seed goes into the ground.

00:33:15.000 Water gets on that seed.

00:33:17.000 This seed sprouts, pops through the ground, becomes a tree.

00:33:21.000 The tree gives fruit.

00:33:23.000 The fruit drops fruit.

00:33:24.000 That fruit goes into the ground, becomes new trees.

00:33:27.000 Animals eat those trees. 0.98

00:33:29.000 We're a part of this weird, crazy ecosystem and the ecosystem that has created a human being with all their creativity and self-awareness and all their ability to reflect and change and this crazy desire for innovation, 0.93

00:33:45.000 like to have the newest, greatest shit, the biggest, coolest thing, the fastest thing, the smartest thing, the most advanced thing. 0.53

00:33:52.000 We're constantly searching for this newer, better product. 0.95

00:33:56.000 It would seem to me that all of that is a part of some almost inescapable process of change.

00:34:04.000 Change and improvement and change.

00:34:06.000 It seems like the whole thing is always changing, right?

00:34:10.000 Like a cloud forms or rather a planet forms out of clouds and dust and all kinds of shit and eventually turns into a planet, eventually acquires water, eventually has an atmosphere and then life comes out of it and that life spreads out into other planets and All of it seems to be this constant state of either improvement or death.

00:34:31.000 Improvement and death.

00:34:32.000 Improvement and death. 0.99

00:34:34.000 And to say that it's not building towards something, like how the fuck do you know? 0.98

00:34:38.000 How do you know? 0.51

00:34:39.000 I mean, we literally might be building towards heaven.

00:34:43.000 And if human beings, with all of our interest in trans rights and gay rights and being progressive, I really contemplate this a lot.

00:34:51.000 I think about this all day.

00:34:52.000 I wonder if what we're doing by this movement that you say, some of it's exaggerated and ridiculous, and some of the people that are involved in it are ultimately really shitty people that have attached themselves to an interesting idea, but the trend seems to be inescapable.

00:35:08.000 And the trend of technological innovation as well as the trend of social awareness, they might, if you extrapolate and you look at where they're going like a thousand years from now, a hundred thousand years from now, it might reach a point of really like a technologically created heaven.

00:35:23.000 It is totally possible.

00:35:25.000 A technologically created heaven, created by human beings? 0.98

00:35:28.000 Created by whatever the fuck fuels a human being. 0.98

00:35:31.000 We look at it as us, like human beings. 0.99

00:35:33.000 We did it.

00:35:34.000 But what is a human being?

00:35:36.000 I mean, there's a bunch of different instincts and a bunch of different desires that are sort of sewn into the existence of being a person.

00:35:43.000 And they're inexorable.

00:35:45.000 You know, you have them if you're living in the jungle.

00:35:47.000 You have them if you live in the city.

00:35:49.000 I mean, people just have this weird, inescapable desire to do a bunch of core things.

00:35:55.000 Well, maybe those core things are very important and key ingredients towards creating technology and towards creating awareness and connection of ideas and information from entity to entity until the entire thing thinks as one.

00:36:09.000 So the entire thing thinks is one and has massive technological capabilities and literally can escape the very dimension that it's currently trapped in.

00:36:17.000 The dimension that it thinks is all that there is.

00:36:20.000 This is all that there is because I can knock on it with my knuckles and I can put it on a scale and I can run a tape measure by it and tell you exactly how long it is.

00:36:28.000 So that's what is real.

00:36:29.000 But that's not even what's real.

00:36:31.000 That's what's real right now that you can experience.

00:36:33.000 And we might be a part of one continual, never-ending cycle That ultimately leads to God.

00:36:41.000 Yeah.

00:36:42.000 Yeah, possible.

00:36:43.000 That's the thing.

00:36:44.000 I don't find it arrogant to say I don't believe.

00:36:47.000 I don't think so either.

00:36:49.000 Well, I think it's arrogant to say you know there's no God.

00:36:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:51.000 I don't think anyone knows there's no God.

00:36:53.000 But say, I don't believe in God.

00:36:54.000 Yeah.

00:36:55.000 Okay.

00:36:55.000 Well, I don't believe in God either.

00:36:57.000 But I don't not believe in God.

00:36:58.000 Right.

00:36:59.000 Is there a God?

00:37:00.000 I don't know.

00:37:01.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:37:02.000 I've met some crazy shit in psychedelic trips. 0.99

00:37:05.000 Give me a couple examples if you can. 0.99

00:37:08.000 Well, things that knew everything that I've ever done, everything that I've ever said, and who I was.

00:37:14.000 Exactly.

00:37:14.000 Down to the core.

00:37:15.000 Things?

00:37:16.000 What do you mean, things?

00:37:17.000 Things.

00:37:17.000 Entities.

00:37:18.000 That I can see right through you.

00:37:19.000 Now, what are those entities?

00:37:21.000 This is in a trip, or this is on human?

00:37:23.000 Yeah, in a trip.

00:37:23.000 This is like, you meet this guy and he knows everything.

00:37:26.000 Well, you're not meeting a guy.

00:37:27.000 You're meeting like a geometric pattern.

00:37:30.000 Right.

00:37:32.000 Especially DMT trips, you can't really isolate what something looks like.

00:37:35.000 Because it only looks like that for the briefest of moments.

00:37:39.000 Yeah.

00:37:39.000 And then it changes and looks like something else and it changes.

00:37:41.000 And as you think about what it is, it alters.

00:37:45.000 And it's almost like some bizarre lesson in perception and your own definitions of the world around you, that you are in some way, by the way you interface with the world, changing the very nature of the world itself.

00:37:59.000 And this is like some weird lesson that they try to teach you while you're involved in these trips.

00:38:04.000 It seems like they're trying to explain to you there's It's not just you have a bad attitude or not just anybody has a bad attitude. 0.97

00:38:11.000 It's not just that you get tied up in the momentum of those bad attitudes and the mistakes caused by those bad attitudes and the energy that's put out and the ripple effect of all that energy and how it goes out into the rest of the population and how it comes back to you and you get trapped like a goddamn spiderweb. 0.97

00:38:29.000 And explains it to you.

00:38:30.000 Literally, the way that you interface with the world changes the world, changes your world, changes the people that are in your world, but also changes how those people interact with other people in the world. 0.87

00:38:42.000 It's this very freaky, fucking bizarre thing to have that be told to you by jesters, like giant jesters who have multi-dimensional heads that spin around and give you the finger. 0.54

00:38:55.000 Yeah, but I would say that's just your own consciousness. 0.98

00:38:59.000 Manifested as a person.

00:39:00.000 It may be.

00:39:00.000 Or an entity or a wall or whatever.

00:39:02.000 It's totally possible.

00:39:03.000 We don't know what your own consciousness really means.

00:39:06.000 Yeah.

00:39:06.000 I mean, first of all, look, a human being is not an individual.

00:39:09.000 Every human being is a host of an unnumberable, I mean, like, literally an uncountable number of bugs.

00:39:17.000 Like, the amount of parasites and the amount of different bacteria.

00:39:21.000 They say there's more E. coli in a person's body than there have ever been people ever.

00:39:27.000 So think of that.

00:39:29.000 What?

00:39:30.000 Just to stop and think about.

00:39:31.000 And you need that. 1.00

00:39:32.000 If that's not in your body, you're fucked. 1.00

00:39:34.000 Sometimes I think about shit like the fact that we even know what E. coli is. 1.00

00:39:39.000 Like, science is fucking... 0.99

00:39:40.000 Like, the last 70, 80 years, it's just like, what? 0.99

00:39:43.000 Yeah.

00:39:44.000 How did you even... 1.00

00:39:45.000 How the fuck did you get... 1.00

00:39:47.000 What? 1.00

00:39:48.000 I had Brian Cox on, the professor who's this brilliant guy who works at CERN, who works at the Large Hadron Collider, and he was trying to explain the searching for the hadron and searching for the Higgs boson particle.

00:40:03.000 Yeah.

00:40:04.000 Halfway into the conversation, you're like, where?

00:40:06.000 What?

00:40:06.000 How did you find this out?

00:40:08.000 Who?

00:40:09.000 What did you do?

00:40:10.000 You know, we're just a couple hundred years away from a guy making fire with steel and flint.

00:40:15.000 That's the only way they made fire. 0.98

00:40:17.000 Clink, clink, clink.

00:40:18.000 That's how they had to make fire.

00:40:19.000 And you guys have figured this out?

00:40:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:22.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:40:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:23.000 It's unbelievable. 1.00

00:40:26.000 It's really hard to believe.

00:40:28.000 Yeah.

00:40:28.000 Very, very, very hard to wrap your head around.

00:40:30.000 What are they going at with the Higgs boson, by the way?

00:40:32.000 What will that lead to?

00:40:35.000 Well, they're trying to recreate, and they have, apparently.

00:40:38.000 Recreated the conditions milliseconds after the Big Bang and prove that there's this one particle that was theoretical up until recently.

00:40:47.000 And they've measured it.

00:40:48.000 They're like 99.0% sure that they've isolated this particle and measured it. 0.96

00:40:54.000 But along the way, they've also identified a bunch of other shit that they weren't sure if it was real. 0.63

00:41:01.000 Or created some things that were just theoretical. 0.88

00:41:05.000 One is this stuff called Clark...

00:41:08.000 Quark gluon, quark gluon plasma, that's insanely heavy.

00:41:13.000 Like, if you had a bowling ball full of this stuff, it would be heavier than the world.

00:41:17.000 Yeah.

00:41:17.000 And they've figured out how to isolate that.

00:41:20.000 And it's also the same sort of thing.

00:41:22.000 It's something that exists, like, milliseconds after the Big Bang.

00:41:25.000 It's like a part of the very creation of the universe itself.

00:41:30.000 So there won't necessarily be, like, and if this is true, then...

00:41:34.000 Then we all get the floating skateboard.

00:41:36.000 Did you see the floating skateboard yesterday?

00:41:37.000 Yes, I did, yeah. 0.99

00:41:38.000 Fucking unbelievable. 0.98

00:41:39.000 What's funny is how long it took me to get used to it, though. 0.98

00:41:42.000 I'm like, oh, good, there's a floating skateboard now. 1.00

00:41:43.000 And you just go back to your dumb life. 1.00

00:41:46.000 You're not like, oh, fuck. 1.00

00:41:48.000 We gotta get it. 1.00

00:41:50.000 Yeah.

00:41:52.000 It'll be totally normal. 0.98

00:41:53.000 I mean, a car is fucking insane. 0.95

00:41:56.000 If you didn't have a car and somebody gave you a car, is this it? 0.98

00:41:59.000 Alexa.

00:42:00.000 Lexus has created a real, rideable hoverboard.

00:42:03.000 Okay, so here's a guy with a skateboard, and he gets off, and he steps on...

00:42:09.000 It says, there is no such thing as impossible.

00:42:12.000 And it's smoking.

00:42:14.000 I don't like the smoke. 1.00

00:42:15.000 I think that's an after-effect, and I think it's stupid. 0.99

00:42:18.000 I thought it was the best part of this ad. 0.98

00:42:20.000 But it's never gonna smoke.

00:42:22.000 It's just a matter of figuring out how.

00:42:24.000 So he's gonna stand on this now.

00:42:27.000 Lexus hover.

00:42:28.000 They're not showing you any more than that?

00:42:30.000 No. 1.00

00:42:30.000 That's the tease, you fucks! 1.00

00:42:32.000 That's it? 0.99

00:42:33.000 You gotta see this new RX, though.

00:42:34.000 This thing.

00:42:35.000 What is it?

00:42:35.000 I'm just kidding.

00:42:36.000 I'm a big fan of the Lexuses.

00:42:38.000 Yeah.

00:42:38.000 Japanese engineering.

00:42:39.000 It's a little slightly different than the German engineering. 0.95

00:42:42.000 All of it's pretty fucking badass, though.

00:42:44.000 Did you have the 400? 1.00

00:42:45.000 Goddamn. 0.99

00:42:46.000 What's that? 0.99

00:42:46.000 Did you have the 400X, that one? 0.99

00:42:49.000 The Lexus?

00:42:50.000 Yeah.

00:42:50.000 No, I have a SUV, the LX570. Oh, I have the RX400, sorry.

00:42:57.000 Yeah, they're fucking amazing. 0.98

00:42:59.000 It's like driving a living room. 0.99

00:43:00.000 Yeah, it's huge. 0.99

00:43:01.000 Smooth as fuck. 0.97

00:43:02.000 Oh yeah, it's so floaty. 1.00

00:43:04.000 It just floats down the highway.

00:43:05.000 Yeah.

00:43:06.000 They make amazing automobiles.

00:43:08.000 If you think about the fact that the automobile's only been around for a little over a hundred years, too, and the amount of innovation that's happened with that.

00:43:15.000 Yeah.

00:43:16.000 And that's even retarded by other industries. 0.97

00:43:20.000 Like, it should be further along. 0.98

00:43:21.000 Well, I think with this Tesla shit, like this Elon Musk character getting involved, that guy's making an SUV now that's gonna be all electric. 0.94

00:43:30.000 He's making a two-door also. 1.00

00:43:32.000 He's making a bunch of shit. 0.99

00:43:34.000 But the fact, the bigger thing that he did was he basically gave up all his patents. 1.00

00:43:39.000 He's like, here, just let's make it good.

00:43:41.000 Let's make this an actual thing.

00:43:43.000 Well, he's like a real live Tony Stark type character.

00:43:46.000 Yeah.

00:43:47.000 He's got that new thing for the wall, too.

00:43:49.000 New battery system.

00:43:51.000 For solar.

00:43:52.000 For houses, yeah.

00:43:53.000 Because you can't get...

00:43:54.000 The thing that I didn't realize about solar is you can't get it at night.

00:43:58.000 Unless you store it.

00:43:59.000 Yeah, you have to store it.

00:44:00.000 And you can't.

00:44:00.000 It's really, really hard to store.

00:44:02.000 Well, most of the time you have these solar rooms.

00:44:06.000 Like, there was a cabin that a friend of mine has in Colorado, and she's got these, like, solar batteries hooked up to the cabin, and, you know, it's like a room, you know, gotta go in the battery room, see what's going on, and the batteries were dead, it was fucking up,

00:44:22.000 and it was a real problem. 1.00

00:44:23.000 The guy who was staying in the cabin was like, what the fuck, you know, they don't have fucking lights, you know, this is stupid, we're camping here. 1.00

00:44:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:29.000 It just wasn't working correctly, but with this Elon Musk thing, Elon Musk's is very small. 1.00

00:44:35.000 It's not that big.

00:44:35.000 Yeah, it's like half, about this high, like half the table.

00:44:40.000 Yeah, like a small coffee table.

00:44:41.000 Yeah.

00:44:41.000 And you can put it on the wall.

00:44:43.000 Can you put it on the wall?

00:44:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:45.000 Really?

00:44:45.000 That's what it's for, a power wall.

00:44:47.000 Yeah, see how it's up there?

00:44:48.000 It mounts to the wall.

00:44:50.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:44:51.000 It's a home battery that charges using electricity generated from solar panels or when utility rates are low and powers your home in the evening.

00:44:57.000 It also fortifies your home against power outages by providing a backup electricity supply. 0.89

00:45:03.000 Pretty fucking sweet. 0.71

00:45:04.000 Yeah, well, that's the... 0.98

00:45:04.000 I have a Volt. 0.98

00:45:05.000 I was gonna get a Tesla, and I got the Chevy Volt because someone pointed out...

00:45:11.000 What if there's a power outage?

00:45:12.000 I was like, yep, that'll do it.

00:45:14.000 Yeah, the Volt takes both, right?

00:45:16.000 Is that the deal?

00:45:17.000 No, the Volt, yeah, the Volt takes both.

00:45:18.000 I can go to gas.

00:45:20.000 When the revolution comes, I can...

00:45:21.000 That's a smart move right now.

00:45:22.000 You got your feet in both worlds.

00:45:24.000 I got a little bit of both, Joe.

00:45:27.000 Do you, when you put it up with gas, does it charge the battery?

00:45:31.000 No, it basically, you get 40 miles of electric.

00:45:35.000 Just pure electric.

00:45:37.000 Yeah, and then once you... 1.00

00:45:38.000 That's pretty stupid, I'm gonna be honest. 1.00

00:45:40.000 Why? 1.00

00:45:40.000 What do you mean? 1.00

00:45:41.000 40 miles is not enough.

00:45:41.000 The average person drives 36 miles a day.

00:45:44.000 But what about those extra four miles that you go to get a sandwich?

00:45:47.000 Gas, bro.

00:45:48.000 Just switch over to use a drip of gas.

00:45:50.000 It doesn't die.

00:45:51.000 No more gas.

00:45:52.000 It's out.

00:45:53.000 Oh, you're talking about when the revolution comes?

00:45:55.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:45:56.000 Yeah, I don't know what to tell you.

00:45:58.000 You better have a power wall.

00:46:00.000 You gotta have one of them Elon Musk.

00:46:02.000 Yeah, but even then it's probably...

00:46:03.000 Although, no, if you have the solar... 0.98

00:46:06.000 Well, solar is only going to work as long as the fucking weather stays exactly the same. 1.00

00:46:10.000 If you have solar and you live in a place like Columbus, Ohio in the winter, good luck, fuckface. 1.00

00:46:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:15.000 You're not going to get much power unless they develop some sort of new shit. 1.00

00:46:18.000 But if your skies are gray, like where I grew up in Boston, the winter is all gray. 0.99

00:46:22.000 Everything's gray.

00:46:24.000 But maybe those new ones actually can work. 0.99

00:46:26.000 I feel like they gotta be getting better with like overcast shit. 0.98

00:46:30.000 But it's not like being out in the desert. 0.99

00:46:32.000 It's not like Palm Springs or some shit like that where you can just power the whole world from it. 0.92

00:46:35.000 Yeah.

00:46:36.000 Hopefully that'll happen in the next 15, 20 years.

00:46:38.000 Well, it's amazing when you look at LA. I mean, the one resource that we have in abundance is sunshine.

00:46:43.000 I mean, that is the power resource.

00:46:45.000 And do virtually nothing with it.

00:46:46.000 Very little.

00:46:47.000 Yeah.

00:46:47.000 Because we don't have to.

00:46:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:49.000 Because the DWP has a fucking monopoly. 0.99

00:46:52.000 Are you worried about the water? 1.00

00:46:53.000 Yes.

00:46:54.000 Yeah, me too.

00:46:55.000 How could you not be?

00:46:56.000 Yeah.

00:46:56.000 Like, I don't know what's going to happen.

00:46:58.000 Well, we're not going to have much water.

00:47:00.000 Yeah.

00:47:00.000 That's going to happen.

00:47:01.000 Like, you think that that's a new normal thing now?

00:47:04.000 Mm-hmm.

00:47:05.000 I think it's like, essentially, we're a giant desert city.

00:47:09.000 We're actually admitting what we're like now?

00:47:11.000 Mm-hmm.

00:47:11.000 Well, we're a desert city that had intermittent rainfall.

00:47:15.000 But the reason why LA was created in the first place as a Hollywood, as a movie production place, was because it was so consistent with its weather. 0.99

00:47:22.000 That means you're living in a place that sucks.

00:47:25.000 I mean, it's great for the sun, but it's not good for life. 0.98

00:47:29.000 Well, yeah, we're not supposed to be here.

00:47:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:31.000 It's not inhabitable unless you do a lot of shit. 1.00

00:47:34.000 Unless you're like, we're going to reroute the Colorado River. 0.99

00:47:37.000 It's just like, dude, maybe we just stay near the Colorado River.

00:47:41.000 Well, what's interesting is with climate change, one of the things I'm keeping an eye on is what happens to Seattle's weather.

00:47:47.000 Because I have a buddy who just moved up to Seattle.

00:47:49.000 I have a theory about that. 0.96

00:47:50.000 Yeah, and he fucking said this winter was amazing. 0.96

00:47:53.000 He was like, dude, it barely rained. 0.97

00:47:56.000 It wasn't that cloudy.

00:47:56.000 It was wonderful.

00:47:58.000 And he was coming from Brooklyn.

00:47:59.000 I think Seattle, Portland and Seattle become LA. And Vancouver becomes San Francisco.

00:48:06.000 Dude, I like the way you think.

00:48:07.000 Yeah, I think that's in like 50 years.

00:48:10.000 You're probably dead right.

00:48:11.000 You're probably dead right.

00:48:13.000 I'm a big fan of Seattle as it is.

00:48:14.000 I've thought about getting property in Vancouver a bunch.

00:48:17.000 You've really committed to this.

00:48:19.000 I'm really done the research.

00:48:20.000 Very, very expensive real estate in Vancouver.

00:48:22.000 Yes, but a lot of beautiful Asian girls. 1.00

00:48:24.000 Oh shit, someone is thinking ahead. 1.00

00:48:27.000 Oh shit, someone did a recon. 1.00

00:48:29.000 He's thinking ahead. 1.00

00:48:30.000 Well, they're great Canadians.

00:48:32.000 First of all, Canadian girls, they're just... 1.00

00:48:34.000 They're reasonable.

00:48:36.000 Yeah, they're more chill.

00:48:37.000 They're fun.

00:48:38.000 They're more fun.

00:48:39.000 Yeah.

00:48:40.000 They're less...

00:48:41.000 I've found they've been less...

00:48:43.000 Jaded?

00:48:44.000 They're less...

00:48:44.000 I don't know.

00:48:45.000 The hottest girls...

00:48:46.000 I have a better chance with hot Asian... 1.00

00:48:48.000 hot Canadian girls than I do with hot American girls. 1.00

00:48:51.000 Hmm.

00:48:52.000 Like, the hottest girls I've dated generally were Canadian. 0.80

00:48:55.000 Really?

00:48:55.000 Yeah.

00:48:56.000 You think they're less worried about looks?

00:48:58.000 I think they're just worried about...

00:48:59.000 I think they're just more... 0.99

00:49:00.000 They actually, like, care if you're nice and cool and shit. 0.97

00:49:04.000 And decent. 0.99

00:49:05.000 Well, their whole culture is just so different because they didn't come from this marauding... 1.00

00:49:10.000 Take over the world sort of mentality that the United States has. 1.00

00:49:15.000 You know, the United States has this leader of the world, go fuck yourself, America, land of the free, Toby Keith. 1.00

00:49:21.000 You know, they don't have that up in Canada. 1.00

00:49:23.000 They don't have any of that.

00:49:25.000 A lot of times I think like the military-industrial complex is just because we have the bombs.

00:49:30.000 It's like, well, we got the bombs.

00:49:32.000 It's like, we got the avocados. 0.99

00:49:34.000 We got to make some fucking guacamole, man. 1.00

00:49:36.000 Like, we fucking paid for the bombs. 1.00

00:49:38.000 Let's fucking use these things. 1.00

00:49:40.000 Well, talk about a cycle. 0.99

00:49:41.000 That's the big cycle.

00:49:42.000 It's like, you can't not extract that money.

00:49:45.000 The people that are making bombs and the people that are involved in the military, they can't not do that.

00:49:49.000 Yeah, they're not going to stop.

00:49:51.000 It's too much money.

00:49:52.000 Yeah, they're not going to stop asking.

00:49:53.000 We just have to stop giving it to them.

00:49:56.000 What do you make of the thing of, like, well, the thing of, like, lost jobs?

00:49:59.000 Because that's a non-argument to me.

00:50:01.000 Lost jobs from the military-industrial complex? 0.87

00:50:04.000 Yeah, like, when we take that away, we're gonna, man, I got 8,000 people in my district and all that shit. 0.99

00:50:08.000 It's like, well, fucking have them do something else. 0.99

00:50:10.000 Same thing with coal. 0.99

00:50:11.000 They say that about coal industry.

00:50:13.000 They say it about...

00:50:13.000 Horseshoes.

00:50:14.000 Yeah, basically.

00:50:15.000 Yeah, precisely.

00:50:16.000 It's like, well...

00:50:17.000 What about the blacksmiths?

00:50:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:50:18.000 You're putting a lot of blacksmiths out of business with your fancy fucking... 0.99

00:50:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:50:22.000 Fancy wagon.

00:50:23.000 Seeing the car.

00:50:23.000 Well, that's the other thing, is when computers and robots take over, there will be blue-collar people breaking into factories to beat up the robots.

00:50:36.000 Probably.

00:50:37.000 They really will.

00:50:38.000 They'll go in with sledgehammers, and they'll start, which I believe is the...

00:50:44.000 Is the definition of a Luddite are people that were so anti-robot that they beat them up?

00:50:54.000 They beat machines up, right?

00:50:56.000 That really was... 0.98

00:50:57.000 It is so fucking funny. 0.94

00:51:00.000 But they're not wrong. 0.97

00:51:01.000 Yeah, they're not wrong.

00:51:02.000 Yeah, that was like during the industrial age, right?

00:51:05.000 Look at this.

00:51:05.000 Remember of any bands of English workers who destroyed machinery, especially in cotton and woolen mills, as they believe was threatening their jobs in 1811 to 1816?

00:51:15.000 That will be...

00:51:15.000 Wow.

00:51:16.000 That will be a...

00:51:18.000 I believe that will be a huge thing.

00:51:20.000 Yeah.

00:51:21.000 It's like, but Stanhope's...

00:51:22.000 You ever hear Stanhope's bit about, like...

00:51:25.000 Where they're like, oh, it's only 5% unemployment.

00:51:28.000 Shouldn't we be going for 100% unemployment?

00:51:32.000 Don't we all just not want to work? 0.99

00:51:33.000 Why are we going toward this fucking dumb work thing? 0.99

00:51:38.000 Why don't we all figure it out so none of us have to work? 0.99

00:51:42.000 Because people have associated working with making money and making money with staying alive.

00:51:47.000 And the only way you can contribute is if you work. 0.76

00:51:50.000 And the only way you can get money to stay alive is if you are in this the one thing that everybody's worried about right everybody's worried about not being able to pill that pay their bills and Starving to death having their children go hungry and like fuck what if we what if we live like the places that we know exist all over the world This place is all over the world where children go hungry Well,

00:52:08.000 there's also that Protestant work ethic thing, where it's like, it's next to godliness. 0.80

00:52:12.000 It becomes one, too.

00:52:14.000 God smiled, you know what I mean?

00:52:16.000 Like, when the man worked.

00:52:17.000 Like, that's a huge tenant.

00:52:19.000 Well, don't you think that that's one of those tenets, that those existed because people were trying to To instill this idea of you have to stay alive.

00:52:27.000 And so it's good to work hard. 0.98

00:52:29.000 Nobody wants to fucking farm and plow the fields. 0.99

00:52:32.000 But if you don't do it, we're all going to fucking starve. 0.99

00:52:34.000 So let's make it a religious ethic. 0.97

00:52:36.000 Let's make it a super important thing that God really likes.

00:52:39.000 And when you plow, God loves it when you plant seeds.

00:52:41.000 Sow the seed.

00:52:42.000 Go do it.

00:52:43.000 God loves it.

00:52:44.000 Is it even possible to have, would that be possible to have 100% unemployment?

00:52:49.000 I mean like could society society's based on Bartering and trading and yeah, and there's also work that people like to do.

00:52:56.000 What about that?

00:52:57.000 What if you're a dentist and you enjoy doing dentistry?

00:52:59.000 Do you want a hundred percent unemployment like when I have all these clients?

00:53:03.000 I enjoy fixing their teeth. 0.99

00:53:04.000 What's the fuck robots bro? 1.00

00:53:06.000 I went to school for it. 0.99

00:53:07.000 I'm fast and they got robots though, but you didn't go to school Yeah, you didn't go to school.

00:53:13.000 You didn't have to do any of that.

00:53:15.000 What about people that are, like, car enthusiasts that fix cars?

00:53:18.000 What about people that make clothes, that are really into designing clothes?

00:53:21.000 Yeah, I think you still do it, but the idea that you have to do it to survive, I think is just an interest.

00:53:27.000 I don't disagree with them.

00:53:28.000 Like, that you'd want...

00:53:30.000 Someone in this robots...

00:53:32.000 Someone would have to make the robots.

00:53:34.000 Right.

00:53:34.000 That's work, right?

00:53:35.000 But, yeah, at some point, someone's gonna have to work in the robots.

00:53:38.000 Even if there's robots making robots...

00:53:41.000 Someone has to service the superhero, you know what I mean?

00:53:43.000 Like, so someone's gonna have to work. 0.98

00:53:45.000 And then that guy is gonna want shit for the work he did. 0.87

00:53:48.000 And then it just becomes a bartering society. 0.94

00:53:51.000 It doesn't seem like it's ever possible to go to 100%, but you might be able to get down to like 10% plus robots.

00:53:57.000 Yeah.

00:53:57.000 If you get down to 10% working, 90% unemployed.

00:54:01.000 That's an awesome sentence, by the way.

00:54:02.000 Blank, blank, plus robots.

00:54:03.000 Yeah.

00:54:04.000 Because once you've got robots in the mix, everything changes.

00:54:06.000 You don't need a whole lot of people to run the robot.

00:54:08.000 Because you get robots that fix robots, you know, and then the robots that fix the robots that fix the robots.

00:54:13.000 Who watches the watchmen?

00:54:14.000 Who watches the watchmen?

00:54:15.000 That's correct.

00:54:16.000 Who robots the robots? 0.80

00:54:19.000 I mean, you would have to make sure that also that the people that did do all the work, that you kept a steady supply of them and kept them educated.

00:54:27.000 Because if you didn't, and then we ran out of people that knew how to fix the robots, and then we're just scrambling, like we have to relearn how to fix robots?

00:54:34.000 I couldn't... 0.91

00:54:35.000 There was a book, I think it was White Noise, Don DeLillo, but it talked about like, I couldn't fucking fix a clock. 0.95

00:54:44.000 I couldn't fix it. 0.92

00:54:45.000 I couldn't fix the light.

00:54:47.000 I couldn't fix any of it. 0.99

00:54:48.000 If something, like, if I was the last guy, like, I couldn't fix shit. 0.99

00:54:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:54:52.000 Yeah.

00:54:52.000 At all.

00:54:53.000 Well, you know, I had a whole bit about that. 0.98

00:54:54.000 About dumb people, like, not realizing they're dumb because they buy a lot of smart things that other people figured out. 0.98

00:55:01.000 And then one day the power goes out. 0.99

00:55:03.000 And, like, what do you do when the power goes out?

00:55:04.000 Well, what I usually do is I sit around and I wait.

00:55:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:07.000 I figure someone's fixing that shit. 1.00

00:55:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:09.000 And then that person's, but that person's dead. 1.00

00:55:11.000 And no one would know.

00:55:12.000 What happened to him?

00:55:13.000 Yeah.

00:55:14.000 And the idea of the joke was if I left you alone in the woods with a hatchet, how long before you could send me an email?

00:55:21.000 Like, how long would it take? 0.99

00:55:22.000 Nobody knows how to make a fucking computer. 0.99

00:55:24.000 Nobody knows how to build an engine. 1.00

00:55:27.000 Who the fuck knows how to forge metal? 0.99

00:55:29.000 Pull it out of the ground and turn it into a cast iron block? 1.00

00:55:31.000 I couldn't start a fire!

00:55:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:33.000 I couldn't...

00:55:34.000 I mean, I would literally... 0.99

00:55:35.000 If I started a fire, it would be based on shit I saw on Survivor. 0.99

00:55:39.000 I swear to God. 0.98

00:55:41.000 I think I could start a fire if I had the right stuff, but you have to make sure you have the right stuff, and it wouldn't be easy.

00:55:47.000 It's not easy at all.

00:55:49.000 Like, you'd have to have rope, and a stick, and another stick.

00:55:53.000 Yeah, it's like that sort of thing that they do.

00:55:56.000 Yeah, it becomes a bow, and then, like, I don't know when to, like, go over to the thing, to the...

00:56:02.000 Well, you know what they do? 0.62

00:56:04.000 There's a guy on a show called Life Below Zero, and this fucking dude doesn't bring matches with him because he doesn't want to rely on matches. 0.94

00:56:11.000 He's like, what if I run out of matches? 0.97

00:56:13.000 What if I rely on a lighter?

00:56:14.000 So this is his mouthpiece that he puts in, and then he has a stick.

00:56:17.000 See if there's a video of it.

00:56:19.000 His name is Glenn.

00:56:20.000 Pull up Glenn from Life Below Zero Makes a Fire on YouTube.

00:56:25.000 And he puts this bit, he has this piece in his mouth, and the piece, like, clamps down on the top of the stick so that he could use the bow with two hands and really get a lot of friction.

00:56:35.000 So he has the bow that's wrapped around, the string of the bow is wrapped around the stick, and he's going right to left, right to left, right to left, right to left.

00:56:42.000 And there's...

00:56:43.000 As it spins, the friction starts, you see little smoke, and he's pushing dry tinder in there, and then he gets a little ball of fire, and then he builds it up.

00:56:53.000 How long have you seen it?

00:56:54.000 It doesn't take much time.

00:56:55.000 If we don't see it, it doesn't?

00:56:56.000 No, it doesn't take much time.

00:56:57.000 But you've got to carry a thing around in your mouth?

00:56:59.000 Sure, it has to be online.

00:57:00.000 If it's not online, they should be fired.

00:57:02.000 Here we go.

00:57:02.000 Here he goes.

00:57:03.000 So this guy, this is how he does it all the time.

00:57:04.000 Give us some volume.

00:57:06.000 See, I don't use the headlamp, because what happens if I run out of headlamps?

00:57:09.000 It's true.

00:57:11.000 What he's filming.

00:57:17.000 This guy's living so gangster up there.

00:57:20.000 So he holds this caribou antler piece in his mouth. 1.00

00:57:24.000 Then he wraps a string around this fucker. 1.00

00:57:27.000 Watch how he does this. 1.00

00:57:28.000 This is pretty wild.

00:57:31.000 So he's pulling right, left, right, left, right, left.

00:57:34.000 And watch how quick it works.

00:57:36.000 Wow.

00:57:38.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:57:39.000 Yeah.

00:57:41.000 It's incredible.

00:57:42.000 And he has this fire starting thing, and he reuses it over and over again, because the more he does it...

00:57:47.000 His teeth are ruined, we should point out. 1.00

00:57:49.000 Yeah, his teeth are fucked. 1.00

00:57:50.000 Biting on caribou antlers, bitch. 1.00

00:57:52.000 What's he trying to do? 1.00

00:57:53.000 And so then he reuses that, the little thin plate of wood that he has underneath it.

00:58:01.000 Reuses that over and over again, so it's sort of black and charred, which makes it a little bit more flammable.

00:58:06.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:58:07.000 That's awesome. 1.00

00:58:08.000 This is how this motherfucker makes a fire. 1.00

00:58:09.000 And you saw how quick it was. 1.00

00:58:11.000 Yeah, but Joe can't he write a joke?

00:58:13.000 Nope.

00:58:13.000 He's not perfect.

00:58:14.000 He's not the ubermunch.

00:58:16.000 Have him, uh, have him write a sketch.

00:58:19.000 Nope.

00:58:19.000 See how it is.

00:58:20.000 Look at you.

00:58:21.000 Yeah?

00:58:22.000 Well, you think you could do this?

00:58:23.000 Hey, strongest man. 1.00

00:58:24.000 Do a fucking strong seven, bro. 1.00

00:58:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:58:26.000 How about you write for Chris Rock, Strongest Man? 0.99

00:58:29.000 Yeah, you fucking piece, you fucking jamook. 1.00

00:58:31.000 Oh, great. 1.00

00:58:31.000 You could pick up a big stone ball, you fucking dunce. 1.00

00:58:34.000 You know what else can do that? 1.00

00:58:35.000 A tractor.

00:58:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:58:37.000 You're a human tractor, fuckface. 1.00

00:58:39.000 Yeah, basically. 1.00

00:58:39.000 With no jokes. 1.00

00:58:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:58:41.000 Piece of garbage. 1.00

00:58:41.000 Go do a tight seven. 1.00

00:58:42.000 Do a tight seven.

00:58:44.000 Warm the crowd up.

00:58:46.000 Yeah, warm the crowd up for at midnight.

00:58:52.000 Do Brody's job.

00:58:53.000 Enjoy it! 1.00

00:58:55.000 He yelled out 818 till I die last night on stage and the fucking place broke out into applause. 1.00

00:59:00.000 That's all fucking funny. 1.00

00:59:04.000 He was at the Ice House last night. 0.99

00:59:05.000 He was hilarious.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, he's very funny.

00:59:08.000 But yelling out, 818 till I die!

00:59:11.000 Yeah.

00:59:11.000 And the place just went, yes!

00:59:16.000 Yeah.

00:59:17.000 He's great.

00:59:18.000 They know.

00:59:18.000 They know what to expect from Brody Stevens.

00:59:20.000 I like that he's carved out a little thing for himself.

00:59:24.000 People like Kimmel, those kind of guys, people who really appreciate Brody, have made a big deal about him.

00:59:36.000 It's nice to see him getting...

00:59:38.000 He still doesn't get the attention that he deserves.

00:59:40.000 I want to do something where we do it in conjunction with the Comedy Store.

00:59:44.000 And we film Brody's late night sets.

00:59:47.000 Just film a gang of them.

00:59:49.000 And we find the gem.

00:59:50.000 Find the one gem and take that and turn it into a comedy special.

00:59:54.000 Yeah.

00:59:55.000 That's easy to do.

00:59:56.000 Yeah.

00:59:56.000 Because some of those shows that he does, those late night shows, they're just...

01:00:00.000 Fucking magical, man. 0.97

01:00:02.000 They're just magical shows. 0.99

01:00:03.000 Like, very inspired. 1.00

01:00:05.000 Yeah, just nuts, off the fucking charts, weird. 1.00

01:00:08.000 Yep. 1.00

01:00:08.000 You know, the narratives that he creates in the audience with the various people that he's fucking around with. 1.00

01:00:13.000 Yeah. 0.91

01:00:14.000 All completely ad-libbed, as opposed to those fake ad-lib guys.

01:00:17.000 Mm-hmm.

01:00:18.000 You know those fake ad-lib guys?

01:00:20.000 I know they exist.

01:00:22.000 I haven't caught anyone.

01:00:24.000 Oh, it's the worst.

01:00:24.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:00:25.000 Are there some that we know?

01:00:27.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:28.000 Okay.

01:00:28.000 Yeah.

01:00:28.000 There's a lot.

01:00:29.000 Not that much anymore, because people are getting hip to it.

01:00:32.000 Yeah.

01:00:32.000 But there used to be a bunch of guys who, every night, would pretend, look at this guy, he's thinking, huh, and she's thinking, huh.

01:00:39.000 Yeah.

01:00:40.000 Well, he's like, well, and she's like, huh, but they say the same thing every night, and everybody's like, oh my God, so brilliant.

01:00:45.000 Yeah.

01:00:45.000 But it's really an act.

01:00:47.000 It's like an act that pretends to be an ad-libbed act.

01:00:51.000 Yeah.

01:00:52.000 I would agree with that. 1.00

01:00:52.000 Those motherfuckers. 1.00

01:00:54.000 Those motherfuckers. 1.00

01:00:54.000 Goddammit, Neil. 1.00

01:00:55.000 How dare they make $61,000 a year?

01:00:57.000 How dare they?

01:00:58.000 If they're lucky.

01:00:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:01:00.000 So tell me about this fucking thing that you just did. 0.99

01:01:04.000 All right. 0.99

01:01:04.000 For anybody who doesn't know what ketamine is... 0.99

01:01:08.000 I will tell them.

01:01:09.000 I will tell them the whole narrative.

01:01:10.000 To hold the whole deal.

01:01:11.000 One of the times I was here, we talked about 5-HTP. Yeah.

01:01:14.000 That was a long time ago.

01:01:15.000 Yeah.

01:01:16.000 That got me into it, and that's when we started creating New Mood.

01:01:20.000 Yeah.

01:01:20.000 So I'd taken 5-HTP. I basically had depression most of my adult life, probably my whole life.

01:01:26.000 And when you define depression, like right now, I'm talking to you, we're hanging out, we're having fun, we're laughing, everything seems cool.

01:01:34.000 I'm pleased right now.

01:01:35.000 You're great.

01:01:35.000 Yeah.

01:01:36.000 When does it slip in?

01:01:38.000 Here's the thing.

01:01:39.000 It was never suicidal.

01:01:41.000 It was just like the best I could feel.

01:01:45.000 What I could feel was adrenaline.

01:01:48.000 And ego.

01:01:49.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:01:50.000 But it was never like joy, happiness, sort of, you know, like the more fuzzier stuff.

01:02:00.000 You just couldn't feel it.

01:02:02.000 Just didn't happen.

01:02:03.000 No joy, no happiness.

01:02:04.000 Not really.

01:02:05.000 Again, but not miserable.

01:02:08.000 Okay, but let me ask you this.

01:02:09.000 While this is going on and great things would happen.

01:02:12.000 Yeah.

01:02:12.000 Like, you had some great things happening.

01:02:13.000 First of all, you're the co-creator of The Chappelle Show, which is, in my opinion, the greatest sketch comedy the world has ever known.

01:02:18.000 Yeah.

01:02:18.000 So that was a great thing.

01:02:19.000 Yes.

01:02:20.000 During that time, was there joy?

01:02:24.000 There was ego.

01:02:25.000 Ego.

01:02:26.000 And there was adrenaline.

01:02:28.000 But there was never...

01:02:29.000 It never felt like...

01:02:34.000 My brain would, like, talk me out of it.

01:02:36.000 It would talk me out of why I should be...

01:02:39.000 Why I should enjoy it, if that makes sense.

01:02:43.000 It would talk me out of it, just like, well, yeah, but you've got a partner, you've got to...

01:02:46.000 Okay, so your brain would tell you, well, you know, you're doing well, but let's be honest, you're doing it because of Dave Chappelle, and, you know, even though your writing is really great, would it be so great if Skippy from Family Ties was the star of the show, the show would still bomb?

01:03:00.000 I would say yes, I'm kidding.

01:03:02.000 You know what I'm saying.

01:03:03.000 No disrespect to Skippy.

01:03:07.000 That's when I knew I needed to go on antidepressants is I had sold a script in like 1999 and I was on the phone with an agent who was saying that two studios were bidding for it and I was driving up La Brea crying.

01:03:25.000 On the phone with the guy, and tears were running down my face.

01:03:28.000 I'm like, this isn't right.

01:03:29.000 Wow.

01:03:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:30.000 So you were crying because you still felt like shit? 1.00

01:03:32.000 Yeah, I felt like shit. 1.00

01:03:35.000 Yeah, I just felt like shit. 0.99

01:03:36.000 And part of the shit was like, I can't even fucking enjoy this. 0.99

01:03:40.000 Right. 0.99

01:03:40.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:03:41.000 Like, just like, I wish I could feel this shit. 0.99

01:03:43.000 Right, so your tears were like, tears of like, goddammit, how come I can't even feel this? 1.00

01:03:49.000 Like, why even do this shit? 1.00

01:03:50.000 Right. 1.00

01:03:51.000 If you're not, and that's what I would get out of his ego.

01:03:54.000 Wow.

01:03:55.000 Like, adrenaline.

01:03:57.000 From being in a cool situation or doing something cool or whatever.

01:04:01.000 Even killing on stage.

01:04:04.000 For example, when I know certain people get off stage, when, for instance, Chris Rock, to bring him up again, when he gets off stage, he is...

01:04:15.000 The nicest... 0.99

01:04:17.000 He's so fucking gacked off of the crowd. 0.96

01:04:20.000 He's so just like high on adrenaline and like just good feeling and basically like... 1.00

01:04:29.000 Like, just good, like, fucking chemicals that are escaping me. 0.99

01:04:33.000 But, like, serotonin and shit like that. 0.99

01:04:34.000 Dopamine. 0.95

01:04:34.000 Yeah, dopamine and serotonin. 0.95

01:04:35.000 He's just fucking flying. 0.97

01:04:37.000 Right. 0.97

01:04:37.000 I would never feel like that. 0.97

01:04:39.000 I'd feel like, oh, I just fucking murdered. 0.96

01:04:41.000 But I would never be like, because I'm... 0.97

01:04:43.000 There was no...

01:04:45.000 I wouldn't enjoy it.

01:04:48.000 Enjoy it.

01:04:49.000 I wouldn't enjoy it.

01:04:50.000 I wouldn't not enjoy it.

01:04:51.000 But it was flat.

01:04:52.000 It was flat.

01:04:53.000 It was like, I might as well have not done that, but...

01:04:57.000 It didn't...

01:04:58.000 Me and Dov one time talked about getting off stage.

01:05:00.000 Sometimes you just want to take the mic and throw it down. 0.98

01:05:03.000 It's like, well, fucking that didn't even help. 0.97

01:05:05.000 Um, so, so, so I've taken antidepressants for, since I was crying on the prayers in 1999. So, uh, so I took them, and I took Zoloft at first, worked great, really worked well. 0.98

01:05:20.000 And I remember telling, uh, Chappelle, I think, I said, I go, I now know why people dance.

01:05:27.000 Like, that was how I knew, like, oh, this works.

01:05:31.000 Because I understand the feeling that would make people want to dance.

01:05:36.000 Or just like that sort of collective joie de vivre, for lack of a better word.

01:05:44.000 So did that, took us a lot, probably worked for 10 years, 9-10 years, you know, with varying effect, but after a while it just stopped working. 0.98

01:05:51.000 Now when it stopped working, or when I would try to go off it, I would get like a tension in my fucking temple that literally couldn't, 0.90

01:06:07.000 like a knot in my temple, like if it needed to get massaged, it would just form. 0.94

01:06:12.000 And that's how I knew like, oh, I'm fucking depressed again, because it would just form.

01:06:17.000 And what was, when you said it wasn't working, so what was the shift? 0.79

01:06:22.000 It started working, in the beginning it was great, and then...

01:06:25.000 There is a term for it, and I always forget it, but it's like efficacy, long-term efficacy just...

01:06:33.000 Tapers off.

01:06:34.000 Decreases, yeah.

01:06:34.000 Hmm.

01:06:35.000 And that's specific to Zoloft?

01:06:37.000 No, it's all of them.

01:06:38.000 All of them.

01:06:38.000 It can be all of them.

01:06:41.000 So, then I switched to, and then probably the last four or five years, I've switched a bunch, because all the ones I tried had some side effect.

01:06:51.000 What is the feeling, though, that you have on them?

01:06:53.000 Is it like a feeling of, you have like more energy?

01:06:57.000 Do you have a little more energy, for sure.

01:07:00.000 You have more...

01:07:01.000 You have like more generosity of spirit if that makes sense like just like you want You're less of like a hater Hmm because you're not you don't feel so Depleted yourself that you can actually be like, oh, that's good man.

01:07:16.000 That's fun.

01:07:16.000 That's awesome What's hard for people to be happy for other people if they're not happy about yeah 100% it's very hard because no one's mean because they're in a good mood Yeah, you know other people don't deserve happiness.

01:07:26.000 You can get it.

01:07:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:28.000 Why the fuck do you get it? 0.99

01:07:29.000 Yeah, um So, that's like any troll. 1.00

01:07:33.000 It's like you just see, it's because you're unhappy, man.

01:07:35.000 It's alright.

01:07:35.000 Like, I get it, just don't take it.

01:07:37.000 My success isn't your failure.

01:07:39.000 Right.

01:07:39.000 But that's how it feels, because you can't do it.

01:07:41.000 You can't even get, not only can you not do Stan or whatever the thing they're mad at you for, they can't even feel what they imagine you feel from doing it.

01:07:50.000 Right.

01:07:51.000 So I tried a bunch the last four or five years.

01:07:54.000 They would work, but there always is some side effect.

01:07:57.000 Nausea.

01:07:58.000 One, I was like gaining weight and I wasn't eating and I was gaining weight.

01:08:03.000 Yeah, it was so weird. 0.99

01:08:06.000 Shit like that. 1.00

01:08:07.000 And then the last one was nausea and my dick was in a coma. 1.00

01:08:14.000 Like, literally, I took the boner drug. 0.99

01:08:21.000 Viagra?

01:08:22.000 Yeah.

01:08:22.000 Didn't work.

01:08:23.000 What?

01:08:24.000 Yeah.

01:08:24.000 Didn't work.

01:08:25.000 That's how fucking, like, dead it was. 1.00

01:08:28.000 Like, literally, it's like, put the fucking charges, put the fucking... 1.00

01:08:31.000 Clear. 1.00

01:08:32.000 Clear, back, nothing.

01:08:33.000 Wow.

01:08:34.000 Yeah.

01:08:35.000 So you had to get off that immediately.

01:08:37.000 Yeah, well, yeah.

01:08:38.000 What's more important, happiness or boners?

01:08:41.000 No. 0.99

01:08:42.000 Well, what was interesting is it was interesting for the few months that I had it to not have to worry about boners or pursuing girls or fucking texting and tindering and all that shit. 0.99

01:08:56.000 Just like, I don't give a shit. 1.00

01:08:58.000 Wow. 0.99

01:08:58.000 Nothing. 0.99

01:09:00.000 They seem like nice people.

01:09:02.000 Yeah.

01:09:04.000 Now, what does it do?

01:09:05.000 Does it somehow or another deplete your testosterone?

01:09:08.000 I don't know why that...

01:09:10.000 The thing about antidepressants is they don't know why they work.

01:09:14.000 They know that they work.

01:09:16.000 They have theories about why they work.

01:09:19.000 I was on a class of antidepressants called SSRIs, which are short for Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor, which means it's basically a double negative...

01:09:31.000 Reuptake inhibitor.

01:09:33.000 It's basically when the serotonin goes out, Usually it gets collected quickly, but if you take this drug, it leaves the serotonin out in your brain longer.

01:09:45.000 I believe.

01:09:47.000 Reuptake inhibitor.

01:09:47.000 Yeah, so it inhibits reuptake.

01:09:50.000 So it's like, hey, stay out.

01:09:52.000 Hey, run around a little bit.

01:09:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:09:54.000 Serotonin.

01:09:54.000 So that's if you take the drug.

01:09:56.000 I think if I didn't take the drug, it would be... 0.64

01:10:03.000 I don't know I guess it would my brain would collect it super quick I'm of the mind that I don't have enough serotonin to begin with like I just have I feel like I have a serotonin deficiency naturally, but whatever so So I'm so what my dick was like in a coma and I was throwing up like pretty regularly like three days a week Wow,

01:10:24.000 I just be driving and go like oh I'm gonna throw up and Throw up and then be fine.

01:10:30.000 So essentially with these drugs you're trying to somehow or another re-engineer your neurochemical makeup.

01:10:38.000 Yeah.

01:10:39.000 Yeah, I mean you're trying to help it basically.

01:10:41.000 I don't think you can re-engineer it.

01:10:43.000 I'll get to the re-engineering.

01:10:45.000 Right.

01:10:45.000 But I don't I think with the drugs you just go like It's basically a band-aid.

01:10:50.000 It's basically just like, hey, reroute, hey, go over there. 0.96

01:10:52.000 It's never like your fucking synapses are in different places, you know what I mean? 0.89

01:10:57.000 But it's amazing that they're doing this and they're not exactly sure, as you say, how they work. 0.98

01:11:03.000 Yeah.

01:11:04.000 Yeah, they don't.

01:11:05.000 They really don't. 0.99

01:11:05.000 What the fuck is that about? 0.99

01:11:06.000 They have theories. 0.99

01:11:07.000 Obviously, they know that SSRIs... 1.00

01:11:11.000 They selectively, you know, re-upped it, whatever, fucking... 0.98

01:11:16.000 But they don't know exactly... 0.99

01:11:18.000 They don't even know if it's in your brain or if it's in your stomach.

01:11:23.000 There's a new thing.

01:11:24.000 There was an article in The Atlantic two days ago that's saying a lot of...

01:11:28.000 First of all, all of those chemicals we talked about, like serotonin and all that stuff, it's mostly in your stomach.

01:11:35.000 Which people don't know.

01:11:38.000 So, they're basically saying, like, they're looking in people's feces, and they think that the amount of chemicals or combinations you have in your stomach can affect mood.

01:11:50.000 Wow.

01:11:51.000 Yeah.

01:11:51.000 Well, that's what the concept behind probiotics affecting your mood are.

01:11:55.000 Yes.

01:11:55.000 100%.

01:11:56.000 By the way, I was getting a bunch of colds.

01:12:00.000 And I started taking probiotics and I haven't gotten one.

01:12:02.000 Dude, I almost never get sick.

01:12:04.000 Yeah.

01:12:04.000 I drink kombucha every day.

01:12:06.000 Yeah.

01:12:06.000 I have the GT's kombucha, the kind that you have to have an ID to show.

01:12:10.000 Is that true?

01:12:11.000 How come?

01:12:12.000 It has more than one half of one percent of alcohol.

01:12:13.000 Okay.

01:12:14.000 That's all it is.

01:12:14.000 It's a tiny, tiny, tiny amount.

01:12:16.000 You'd have to drink like 30 of them to catch the buzz you'd get from one beer.

01:12:19.000 But it's worth it.

01:12:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:12:23.000 But it's a stupid law. 0.99

01:12:25.000 But the probiotic effect of the fermentation of this live culture is what's causing the alcohol. 1.00

01:12:31.000 Yeah.

01:12:32.000 But it's so good for you, man.

01:12:33.000 Yeah.

01:12:34.000 It's been, like, crazy.

01:12:35.000 Changed my life.

01:12:36.000 Yeah.

01:12:36.000 Like, traveling used to make me sick.

01:12:38.000 I was always getting sick.

01:12:38.000 I don't get sick anymore.

01:12:40.000 If I do get sick, it's very quick.

01:12:42.000 It's in and out.

01:12:42.000 It's a quick turnaround.

01:12:43.000 Yeah, I would highly recommend it.

01:12:45.000 Yeah, because if you're traveling all the time as a comic on the road, your immune system takes a beat.

01:12:50.000 Even in first class, Joe?

01:12:51.000 It does.

01:12:52.000 Even in first class.

01:12:54.000 I rode Coach the other day for the first time in a long time.

01:12:57.000 People were touching me as I was sitting there.

01:12:59.000 I was like, why are you touching me?

01:13:00.000 Your leg is touching my leg.

01:13:02.000 There's obviously something comforting about that.

01:13:04.000 Everybody's just touching each other.

01:13:06.000 You're just sitting there, and you know that your arm's going to touch the guy next to you, and everybody just accepts it.

01:13:10.000 This is the world we're living in for the next couple hours.

01:13:13.000 Isn't that okay?

01:13:13.000 I mean, why is that bad?

01:13:14.000 As long as everyone's arm is touching everyone's mouth, I'm cool.

01:13:18.000 And as long as no one gets greedy, as long as everyone's friendly with the space, you don't manspread and bop into the other guy's side.

01:13:28.000 But also hygiene.

01:13:30.000 That's a big one.

01:13:31.000 It's huge. 0.99

01:13:32.000 Because if you're touching people and they stink, that's fucking brutal. 0.98

01:13:35.000 I've had that habit of friends. 0.99

01:13:36.000 How long was the flight?

01:13:38.000 Well, it was two flights.

01:13:39.000 What happened was...

01:13:40.000 To Vegas or something?

01:13:41.000 No, it was to Canada. 1.00

01:13:42.000 I fucked up. 1.00

01:13:43.000 It's so stupid, I just don't want to move. 1.00

01:13:46.000 My flight takes off. 1.00

01:13:49.000 It took off at a certain time.

01:13:51.000 And I had it written the time I was supposed to get up.

01:13:56.000 I had reversed so instead of Thinking that I was supposed to get up at 9 o'clock The flight was at 9 o'clock and I was like, oh no Like I thought the flight was like 11 and I got there.

01:14:10.000 I gotta think in the future I think you should just go based on what time the flight leaves I don't leave it up to the airline what time you should wake up Well, it was just such a boneheaded move.

01:14:21.000 I just had too many different things going on and I wrote it down somewhere.

01:14:24.000 Yeah.

01:14:24.000 And just incorrectly wrote it down.

01:14:26.000 Yeah.

01:14:27.000 But anyway, point being, I had to switch the flights, blah, blah, blah.

01:14:30.000 And I was thinking, like, it's kind of like the only time where people ever touch people that they don't know.

01:14:34.000 Except Jiu-Jitsu class, maybe.

01:14:36.000 You know?

01:14:36.000 And then you're trying to kill each other.

01:14:37.000 Yeah, mass transit.

01:14:38.000 Yeah.

01:14:39.000 Mass transit.

01:14:40.000 Especially, like, you see Tokyo, where they push people in.

01:14:43.000 It's insane, yeah.

01:14:43.000 They literally have guys whose jobs are to shove people deeper and deeper into those boxes.

01:14:49.000 Yeah.

01:14:50.000 They make six figures doing that.

01:14:53.000 And I think people get depressed, some people get depressed from a lack of human contact.

01:14:58.000 Absolutely.

01:14:59.000 I'll get to that in a second. 0.97

01:15:01.000 So, okay, so I was just like, taking, like the last one, I was like, I'm so sick of fucking taking, because the thing with antidepressant, Pills is that you don't... 0.95

01:15:12.000 It's a complete guessing game what's going to work for you. 0.98

01:15:15.000 Because the one I was taking that was making my dick fall asleep and make me throw up was supposed to have the lowest side effect profile of all of them. 0.98

01:15:25.000 But I've had ones that had... 0.99

01:15:28.000 More, they were supposed to do worse shit, and they didn't. 0.99

01:15:30.000 So I was like, I'm so sick of this. 1.00

01:15:32.000 So I just started looking up other shit to do. 0.98

01:15:37.000 And the big one that kept coming up that I saw was ketamine. 0.98

01:15:42.000 So...

01:15:43.000 I was like, that's interesting.

01:15:45.000 I knew it was like a party drug, but I didn't really know that much about it.

01:15:48.000 It's a very weird party drug. 0.99

01:15:50.000 Yeah, having done it, I'm like, why the fuck would you ever take that around people? 0.96

01:15:55.000 So there's a guy in Santa Monica, Dr. Steven Mandel, and that's a picture of me getting the ketamine. 0.94

01:16:04.000 Are you allowed to talk about this guy?

01:16:06.000 I don't know.

01:16:06.000 I mean, I think I can.

01:16:09.000 Yeah.

01:16:10.000 Oh, okay.

01:16:10.000 Well, I mean the guy's name.

01:16:12.000 He mentioned, I don't mind if you talk to him.

01:16:15.000 So you got an IV dose.

01:16:17.000 He was an anesthesiologist who basically came up with a regimen that's for depression.

01:16:25.000 By the way, he's not the only one.

01:16:27.000 There's probably hundreds in America right now.

01:16:29.000 That are doing this?

01:16:30.000 Yeah.

01:16:31.000 With ketamine?

01:16:31.000 Yeah.

01:16:32.000 Whoa.

01:16:33.000 Especially if you go on Reddit or any of the boards, any kind of antidepressant boards or whatever.

01:16:43.000 There's people that did it.

01:16:44.000 And there's another one called TMS. The other one that's making a comeback is just the Cuckoo's Nest one.

01:16:51.000 Electrical shock therapy?

01:16:53.000 Yeah, because they were doing it wrong, apparently, and there's a way to do it now. 0.96

01:16:58.000 The amperage was too high, so they were just fucking frying people. 0.98

01:17:04.000 They were cooking your brain too much. 0.95

01:17:05.000 But if you cook it a little bit, yeah, exactly.

01:17:07.000 You don't want to grill it.

01:17:08.000 Yeah, precisely.

01:17:09.000 So if you little something, steam it. 0.99

01:17:11.000 Yeah, you can poach an egg, but you should throw an egg on your fucking Weber. 0.98

01:17:15.000 So that's made a comeback, and then there's another one called transcranial magnetic stimulation where they just basically shoot magnets at your brain. 0.99

01:17:24.000 But that's five days a week for five weeks.

01:17:29.000 Ketamine.

01:17:30.000 The treatment is you do six sessions in two weeks.

01:17:37.000 So it's Monday, Wednesday, Friday of two weeks.

01:17:42.000 And I did it last week and the week before.

01:17:45.000 So first time I go in, and again, I don't know if I could have researched it.

01:17:49.000 All I knew that when you go in, you have basically, when you do ketamine, you have like an out-of-body sort of experience, meaning like a dissociative experience, which seems pretty vague.

01:18:02.000 So he hooks the IV up.

01:18:06.000 And within 15 seconds, I was like, gone.

01:18:14.000 Like, at first you just get sleepy, and then I was in the trip that you were talking about. 0.99

01:18:20.000 Fucking geometric shapes. 0.97

01:18:23.000 The thing about tripping that I forgot is how good the transitions are. 1.00

01:18:27.000 It'll go from geometric shape to a bear's face to just crazy shit for 45 minutes. 0.91

01:18:37.000 And then you come out of it, and you slowly come out of it, and you wear noise-canceling headphones. 0.97

01:18:44.000 I'm just in a doctor's office.

01:18:45.000 In a weird, not even weird, like those 1970s doctor's offices that you see in LA. Just sort of a shitty elevator and whatever. 0.65

01:18:56.000 So when I came out of the first one, I was like, it was rough.

01:19:00.000 Because A, I didn't know I was going to trip like that.

01:19:02.000 And B, I had been...

01:19:04.000 I didn't get a ton of sleep the night before.

01:19:07.000 And so I was...

01:19:09.000 And I'd flown that day.

01:19:09.000 I was just kind of groggy.

01:19:11.000 And I felt really shitty.

01:19:14.000 And it took me...

01:19:15.000 I was like...

01:19:16.000 After I was done, I probably laid in the bed there for like an hour. 0.98

01:19:20.000 So I was like, I can't do shit right now. 0.97

01:19:22.000 Like I can't... 0.99

01:19:23.000 I could barely stand.

01:19:25.000 Yeah.

01:19:25.000 So, the first day was rough.

01:19:27.000 And that night, I still felt shitty that night.

01:19:31.000 I was like, I don't think I'm going to do it again.

01:19:33.000 Like, that was too rough. 0.95

01:19:34.000 And then I woke up Tuesday morning and felt fucking great. 0.94

01:19:41.000 I was like, uh-oh. 0.96

01:19:43.000 I gotta do it again.

01:19:44.000 Felt great, like...

01:19:45.000 I felt clear.

01:19:47.000 Here's the...

01:19:48.000 One of the ways my depression manifested itself was like, I felt...

01:19:56.000 My head felt heavy, and I felt like I had a lead weight on my forehead.

01:20:03.000 You know, that's the way I felt when I did ecstasy.

01:20:06.000 The day after.

01:20:08.000 The day after.

01:20:09.000 It felt amazing when I did it.

01:20:11.000 Okay, and that's what it is, because it depletes...

01:20:13.000 Yeah, all the serotonin's gone.

01:20:15.000 Yeah, and that's basically what people with depression a lot of times are, like, just every day.

01:20:20.000 It's basically just like a headwind.

01:20:21.000 It's not... 0.99

01:20:22.000 It's just like, fucking, could this be a little bit easier? 0.99

01:20:25.000 Like, I'm not asking for a miracle. 0.99

01:20:27.000 I'm just, like, I'm just sick of having to walk into the wind all the time.

01:20:30.000 Right, right.

01:20:31.000 A little bit uphill into the wind. 1.00

01:20:33.000 It's just like, fuck. 0.99

01:20:33.000 Alright, so I did it again that Wednesday and every time I did it. 0.99

01:20:41.000 The other thing, one of the ways that they kind of gauge it is you do like an inventory, a questionnaire, like a 25 question questionnaire, like how do you feel about your future?

01:20:54.000 And it's not good, fine, neutral, whatever.

01:20:59.000 Each one has a point value.

01:21:01.000 They add it up.

01:21:02.000 If it's in the high teens or 20s, that means you're depressed.

01:21:06.000 If you're in the low teens, you're good, whatever.

01:21:11.000 And I think mine went from low 20s to single digits in the two weeks.

01:21:19.000 Wow. 0.63

01:21:20.000 And the only downside, and I can't get a perfectly clear read because I'm quitting the SSRI, the one that the dick killer, I'm quitting that at the same time. 0.65

01:21:33.000 So I'm just like, I'm sort of having withdrawal from that. 0.99

01:21:36.000 The way it was manifesting itself for a couple weeks was like, I just felt like shit. 0.96

01:21:40.000 I just felt like I had the flu, but not coughing or sneezing. 0.99

01:21:42.000 Just like run down.

01:21:44.000 When you wean yourself off of an SSRI, is there a protocol for doing that?

01:21:49.000 Just taper.

01:21:50.000 That's all you can do.

01:21:51.000 And when they say taper, do you get smaller pills?

01:21:56.000 You just clip them in half.

01:21:58.000 That's what I did.

01:21:59.000 And you take less of them?

01:22:01.000 Yeah, you just do.

01:22:03.000 I was on 20, went to 10, went to 5, now I'm at 0. And how long you been at zero?

01:22:08.000 I don't know.

01:22:09.000 I think three or I think four weeks.

01:22:12.000 So how do you feel right now?

01:22:13.000 I feel I feel better every day from the from the SSRI effect Has gotten better every day.

01:22:19.000 I feel like, I don't feel nauseous. 0.92

01:22:21.000 I'm not nauseous, just like, I don't feel like shit.

01:22:23.000 The only way it's kind of manifesting itself now is like, one of my eyes is a little, like, feels like I have something in it. 0.99

01:22:30.000 That's the gay eye. 1.00

01:22:32.000 Got it. 0.98

01:22:33.000 Gay eye for a straight guy. 0.85

01:22:34.000 That's what it is. 0.94

01:22:35.000 Yeah, so one of my eyes feels a little gay.

01:22:39.000 So, as you, there's no other word for it. 0.79

01:22:42.000 So, I just put eye drops in.

01:22:44.000 That's it.

01:22:45.000 Yeah.

01:22:45.000 And it might be unrelated, the eyeball thing.

01:22:48.000 I think it's related because I've looked it up.

01:22:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:51.000 Yeah, there's like, there's, you know, SSRI withdrawal, if you just Google that.

01:22:55.000 And they have eyeball issues.

01:22:57.000 Yeah, it's like, it'd be a little cloudy.

01:22:59.000 Huh.

01:23:00.000 Some people, it usually lasts like three weeks. 0.78

01:23:02.000 Some people, I've seen guys on Reddit that were like, I've fucking had this for six months. 0.96

01:23:07.000 Jesus. 0.97

01:23:08.000 Which would make me crazy, I think.

01:23:10.000 Yeah, how could you not be?

01:23:11.000 Yeah.

01:23:12.000 So let me ask you this.

01:23:13.000 So you take it the first time, and how many days afterwards did you feel great?

01:23:17.000 You said two?

01:23:18.000 One.

01:23:18.000 One day.

01:23:19.000 The next day. 1.00

01:23:19.000 You feel like shit after it's over? 1.00

01:23:22.000 Felt like shit after it was over. 1.00

01:23:24.000 Felt like basically went home and just laid on my couch. 0.99

01:23:28.000 Did you feel like physically worn out?

01:23:30.000 I just felt like, I guess like I had a high fever. 0.99

01:23:37.000 You know that feeling of just like, I can't do shit. 0.93

01:23:40.000 Was it possible that it was the stress of the experience because you didn't expect it? 0.98

01:23:45.000 Yeah, possibly, yeah, because you ever had anesthesia?

01:23:48.000 You know when you come out of it?

01:23:49.000 It feels, that's like my least favorite feeling in the world.

01:23:53.000 That's basically what it was. 0.99

01:23:54.000 That feeling of like, oh fuck, like I could throw up, I'm not gonna. 0.98

01:23:59.000 So it could be a bunch of issues. 0.98

01:24:01.000 Did you have the same feeling every time you did it?

01:24:05.000 Yeah, basically.

01:24:06.000 Okay.

01:24:07.000 I would need to take a nap.

01:24:09.000 Every time?

01:24:10.000 Yeah.

01:24:11.000 Because basically, when I did it on the Wednesday, I took a nap and did a spot that night.

01:24:19.000 Wow.

01:24:20.000 Yeah.

01:24:21.000 I ran into you that night.

01:24:23.000 We talked about it.

01:24:23.000 It was at the Improv, maybe.

01:24:25.000 Well, I ran into you at the store, and you told me that you did the last treatment that day.

01:24:29.000 Yeah, but that was Friday.

01:24:30.000 That was, like, less than a week ago.

01:24:32.000 Yeah.

01:24:33.000 Okay, it was a different time.

01:24:34.000 And that Friday, because I had done it enough, what I found, what was interesting was, every session, it would take me longer to go into the trip.

01:24:45.000 Meaning like my body was getting used to it was building up like a tolerance for it for the ketamine How long is like it's all IV? Yeah, it's IV based the first time like I said 20 seconds and The last time was probably Four or five minutes.

01:25:03.000 And he was upping the dose, I think.

01:25:06.000 Wow.

01:25:07.000 Well, I ran into you after the first time you did it, and I ran into you, I think, Friday was after the last time you did it.

01:25:14.000 And unfortunately, we didn't have a chance to talk much until now, so I couldn't get an objective sense of how you seemed.

01:25:21.000 Yeah, what was interesting was the Friday...

01:25:25.000 Of the first week, I had...

01:25:29.000 It might have been Friday or Saturday.

01:25:31.000 But there was a thing that was happening to me on stage where I was like...

01:25:33.000 For like months, I felt shitty. 0.61

01:25:35.000 You know when you feel shitty, you can't kill that hard? 0.69

01:25:39.000 Like there's basically a cap.

01:25:40.000 I had a cap on my set for months. 0.99

01:25:43.000 And it was making me fucking crazy. 0.86

01:25:45.000 Because I was like, it's not me. 0.89

01:25:47.000 Like, it's my... 1.00

01:25:48.000 It's A, this fucking... 0.99

01:25:49.000 A, it's depression. 1.00

01:25:50.000 B, it's the SSRIs.

01:25:51.000 And now it's the SSRIs and the ketamine. 0.98

01:25:55.000 But on the Friday or Saturday, I fucking murdered in the main room, which, you know, is like hard to do. 0.98

01:26:02.000 But it was because I was clear. 0.98

01:26:04.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:26:05.000 Like, I was finally like, oh, I know.

01:26:07.000 The audience wouldn't feel like a sludginess to me.

01:26:11.000 There was like a real, like, you know, more of just like a laser.

01:26:16.000 Focus.

01:26:16.000 Yeah.

01:26:17.000 On point.

01:26:17.000 Yeah.

01:26:18.000 Yeah, man.

01:26:18.000 I've had nights where I'm tired.

01:26:20.000 That is the worst goddamn feeling when you're exhausted and you're trying to come up with energy to go on stage. 0.98

01:26:25.000 When you're physically, your body's physically exhausted. 0.99

01:26:28.000 Yeah.

01:26:29.000 So you were kind of battling that a lot.

01:26:31.000 Yeah.

01:26:31.000 And then you're taking...

01:26:32.000 It fucking affects writing, too. 0.99

01:26:34.000 Oh, sure. 0.99

01:26:35.000 Like, being depressed.

01:26:36.000 Like, I haven't written...

01:26:37.000 I think I've got basically to an hour, but it took me, like, two years.

01:26:41.000 Like, it wasn't like...

01:26:42.000 Right.

01:26:42.000 I'm not like you where I can take a couple months and just come with a newer burr or any of these guys.

01:26:46.000 Like, first of all, I think it would take me longer than six months anyway.

01:26:50.000 But it was... 0.99

01:26:51.000 And part of it, I wanted to go, like, my fucking brain isn't working. 0.99

01:26:54.000 Right. 0.99

01:26:55.000 Because I just run out of options in terms of SSRIs and shit. 0.98

01:26:58.000 And also that's a primary focus of your mind. 0.99

01:27:00.000 It's like, how the fuck do I get happy? 0.98

01:27:02.000 You're trying a million different medications, all these different ideas. 0.97

01:27:06.000 And like, it's just frustrating.

01:27:08.000 Okay, so you do it the first time, and then the next day you feel great.

01:27:12.000 You're still on the SSRIs.

01:27:15.000 Or you're weaned off.

01:27:16.000 No, I was done.

01:27:17.000 I mean, I was just done.

01:27:18.000 Now I'm just in withdrawal.

01:27:18.000 Did you have to be weaned off of them?

01:27:20.000 Because, like, this is something that's a big issue with ayahuasca.

01:27:23.000 Like, no, no, I said that.

01:27:24.000 Like, I'm from Dijon.

01:27:25.000 Yeah.

01:27:26.000 Ayahuasca.

01:27:26.000 Oh, you can't do SSRIs if you take ayahuasca.

01:27:30.000 You'll die, right?

01:27:31.000 Well, it's very dangerous.

01:27:32.000 Yeah.

01:27:33.000 SSRIs are dangerous with ayahuasca, with dimethyltryptamine.

01:27:38.000 Mushrooms are very closely related to dimethyltryptamine.

01:27:42.000 There's people that take mushrooms and they also are taking SSRIs and I've heard that that's kind of funky too.

01:27:48.000 I'm trying to think if I've ever done that.

01:27:50.000 Ari was on SSRIs, I think, and he was taking mushrooms.

01:27:53.000 I think I've done that.

01:27:54.000 Maybe he was on a different kind of medication.

01:27:55.000 I think I've taken SSRIs on mushrooms.

01:27:57.000 I know for a fact, Ari did ask his doctor and told him, and apparently the type of medication he was on was fine with mushrooms.

01:28:04.000 I think I did it once or twice on SSRIs.

01:28:07.000 It was fine. 0.96

01:28:09.000 What's really dangerous, apparently, is if you take a prescription MAO inhibitor, And then you take mushrooms or you take ayahuasca, then it's super fucking dangerous. 0.99

01:28:18.000 I think MAIO inhibitors have a big profile with, like, don't take it with other shit. 0.98

01:28:24.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:28:24.000 That's on more warnings than most things. 0.92

01:28:27.000 Yeah.

01:28:27.000 I believe I've read this.

01:28:29.000 I'm, like, 98% sure I read this.

01:28:32.000 Most people...

01:28:33.000 Oh, I did read it.

01:28:34.000 It was this guy, Carl Hart, who'd be a great guest.

01:28:37.000 Yeah, I've had him.

01:28:38.000 Oh, alright, there you go.

01:28:39.000 I love that guy. 0.87

01:28:39.000 He's fucking awesome. 0.87

01:28:41.000 Said that most people that die of heroin overdoses are drunk. 0.99

01:28:45.000 Like, most of the overdoses are because they combine it with alcohol.

01:28:50.000 That makes sense.

01:28:51.000 Yeah.

01:28:51.000 He was on O'Reilly the other day, and I texted him.

01:28:54.000 I was like, how the fuck do you do that? 0.98

01:28:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:28:57.000 Like, you talk for five seconds and he's interrupting you.

01:28:59.000 And then they cut away from him for a breaking news report on the lady getting arraigned in upstate New York for helping the prisoners escape.

01:29:08.000 Yeah.

01:29:08.000 You know, and there's a panel.

01:29:09.000 There's him and a bunch of other people.

01:29:11.000 They're all talking about drugs, and he barely got a chance to talk. 1.00

01:29:13.000 It's also like, what good does that shit do? 0.99

01:29:16.000 That's what I always wonder, like, when they go, hey, you want to come on a panel on CNN? I'm like, no. 1.00

01:29:20.000 I'm not gonna change any minds, and it's also... 0.96

01:29:23.000 It's a shitty way of communicating.

01:29:24.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.90

01:29:25.000 This is the way to communicate.

01:29:26.000 Yes.

01:29:27.000 This is the best way.

01:29:28.000 In Woodland Hills.

01:29:30.000 In an office park. 0.99

01:29:32.000 Yeah, in a shitty office park. 0.99

01:29:33.000 This is the way to do it. 0.99

01:29:35.000 Red underlighting.

01:29:36.000 So you go and you do it the first time.

01:29:40.000 The day afterwards, you start to feel better.

01:29:43.000 Felt clear in the way...

01:29:47.000 I would compare the trip in and of itself, the actual trip, like LSD. LSD, but without the speed.

01:29:53.000 But with a lot of visuals, though.

01:29:55.000 All visuals.

01:29:56.000 All visuals.

01:29:57.000 Yeah.

01:29:57.000 Crazy.

01:29:58.000 So, the way McKenna described ketamine, I've never done ketamine, but the way...

01:30:03.000 You know, McKenna and John Lilly was a huge pioneer of ketamine.

01:30:07.000 John Lilly's the guy who invented the isolation tank.

01:30:09.000 Oh, great. 0.99

01:30:10.000 One of his things that he used to like to do was shoot ketamine intramuscularly, like shove it right into his fucking muscle. 0.99

01:30:17.000 I think that's what I did. 0.99

01:30:18.000 Well, you did it at IV. But the intramuscular is a slower release and apparently lasts for hours.

01:30:23.000 And he would bang, whack himself and climb into the tank and be gone for a fucking day. 0.99

01:30:29.000 Zoom around. 1.00

01:30:30.000 That's crazy.

01:30:31.000 And McKenna described it like...

01:30:33.000 This is a very interesting way of describing psychedelics.

01:30:36.000 He believed...

01:30:38.000 Whether or not I was correct, but he believed that every psychedelic you take, you're experiencing not just your trip, but the trip of all the people who have ever tripped on that psychedelic.

01:30:49.000 So when you're taking mushrooms, you're not just experiencing the mushroom.

01:30:53.000 You're experiencing the mushroom as it has interfaced with countless human beings all throughout humanity.

01:30:59.000 All the different people have taken the mushrooms and had these beautiful experiences.

01:31:03.000 You experience those experiences as well.

01:31:05.000 Yeah.

01:31:07.000 I don't disagree.

01:31:08.000 I don't agree with that because I can't, but it seems like, yeah, it's possible.

01:31:11.000 But what he said about ketamine was, he felt like ketamine was a new drug.

01:31:15.000 And he felt like when he took ketamine that he was in a giant office building that was empty.

01:31:21.000 It's like a vacant office building.

01:31:23.000 He's like, he would walk around and there was no one there.

01:31:26.000 He would like look around, there was cubicles, there was lights, there was these big open spaces, but there was no one in the room.

01:31:31.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

01:31:32.000 He said it was just devoid of the kind of experience that you have when you take other sorts of psychedelics.

01:31:38.000 Did you experience...

01:31:38.000 I was in...

01:31:39.000 The things that I remember, one of the things I remember was like getting...

01:31:44.000 I would start on me and then just pull out wide, like for lack of a better example, like Google Maps or in my head it was more like Grand Theft Auto.

01:31:55.000 And like where I am, there's the, I'm in Santa Monica and I just go, there's California, there's whatever.

01:32:04.000 I was aware of every sort of your whole experience people that I went to high school with people that I know now like just everyone was sort of there if not like actually but sort of you know I think about them and then it was like I was in The Matrix is too simplistic,

01:32:24.000 but did you see the new Land of the Lost, perhaps, with Will Ferrell?

01:32:31.000 No.

01:32:32.000 There's just a weird black void scene.

01:32:35.000 It's basically a black void with a Tron floor.

01:32:41.000 There was no Tron floor.

01:32:44.000 It was more of a disco floor, actually, of white. 0.90

01:32:49.000 I didn't have the disco floor, but I did have the sort of black void, and then shit would form out of that, and it was sort of lit.

01:32:58.000 The fill lighting, as they call it, would be green.

01:33:02.000 Like, the way your wall's red, it would be green.

01:33:05.000 So...

01:33:07.000 And it was, there you go.

01:33:08.000 He just made a grin.

01:33:09.000 Oh man, I'm back there.

01:33:10.000 Dude, I can't believe you, man.

01:33:12.000 So, the trip was pleasant.

01:33:15.000 It was never, like, I never freaked out, I never...

01:33:18.000 Did you experience entities?

01:33:21.000 Was there anything that you were communicating with you there?

01:33:23.000 Was it all just shapes?

01:33:24.000 Yeah, it was all shapes.

01:33:25.000 So it was just you?

01:33:26.000 Shapes and feelings, like, shapes and, like, I would think of stuff.

01:33:31.000 And when you say you would think of stuff, was the stuff that you would think of related to depression?

01:33:37.000 Was it related to what you were trying to fix?

01:33:38.000 Yeah, because of what I'm trying to do.

01:33:40.000 Right.

01:33:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:42.000 So what kind of stuff was going through your head while you were having this experience? 0.99

01:33:45.000 Just like about love and fucking... 0.99

01:33:48.000 Like the time I went into... 0.99

01:33:50.000 You should have the Hulk music on cue for any time someone starts talking about...

01:33:53.000 The time I did the Float Labs thing.

01:33:56.000 Right.

01:33:57.000 Made me get a dog because I went to Float Labs and I floated and I was in the middle.

01:34:02.000 I was like, you gotta love something, man.

01:34:05.000 And I got a dog.

01:34:07.000 And that dog has been the bane of my existence.

01:34:11.000 That dog has bit more people. 1.00

01:34:14.000 Fuck you for sending me there. 1.00

01:34:16.000 Kills old ladies. 1.00

01:34:17.000 So yeah, I thought of a lot.

01:34:20.000 I was just thinking about it, but it wasn't that much. 0.98

01:34:23.000 It wasn't it was more yeah, I thought about like what if there's an earthquake also like Fucking if you're if you're tripping on on like Ketamine you're gone. 0.96

01:34:35.000 Yeah, my eyes are closed I couldn't open them like I wouldn't have physically been able to open them I was like what if there's a fucking earthquake, but then I'm just feeling Wow, what a weird thing to focus on. 0.97

01:34:47.000 So you try to sabotage on us. 0.70

01:34:49.000 It would just come into my, like...

01:34:50.000 Don't you get that when you're on weed, though, sometimes?

01:34:52.000 I don't do weed.

01:34:53.000 Oh, that's right. 0.88

01:34:54.000 And weed will let you consider all the possible fuck-ups that could go wrong. 0.96

01:34:59.000 Even the earthquake, I was like, eh, get demolished. 1.00

01:35:02.000 So you die. 0.99

01:35:03.000 Everybody's gonna die.

01:35:03.000 It felt like more of like a...

01:35:05.000 It was gonna be like the San Andreas, and The Rock would not save me.

01:35:09.000 Well, what they think about that when it comes to psychedelic experiences is like it's your...

01:35:14.000 The thing about psychedelic experiences that's universal is the ego dissolving properties of it.

01:35:18.000 And they think that a lot of this...

01:35:21.000 What that feeling is when you're trying to...

01:35:25.000 You know, to try to think about all the things that could go wrong.

01:35:27.000 It's almost your ego not wanting to let go.

01:35:30.000 It's like, hey, you need me, man. 0.99

01:35:31.000 Because what if the fucking earthquake happens? 0.98

01:35:33.000 Or what if you, you know, what if something's happening right now? 0.99

01:35:35.000 What if someone's breaking into your car?

01:35:37.000 And the paranoia and the fear, the survival instinct is a part of the ego.

01:35:42.000 It felt like I was...

01:35:45.000 Backstage in my brain, if that makes sense.

01:35:48.000 Huh.

01:35:48.000 Like, I was seeing the machinations, I was feeling it, but I'd also see how it got there.

01:35:55.000 So you could see the wiring.

01:35:57.000 Yeah, but that's what I always feel like when I did LSD, when I did the ketamine.

01:36:03.000 I was like, oh, it feels like you're...

01:36:04.000 I feel like I'm getting a tour of my brain.

01:36:09.000 So what's supposed to be the mechanism for repair or for fixing?

01:36:14.000 This is another thing that they don't really know.

01:36:16.000 They don't know.

01:36:18.000 But I can tell you that it worked.

01:36:25.000 Because I felt better...

01:36:28.000 Every day.

01:36:29.000 It has to do with the SSRIs for sure, but I also feel like the thing that I've been noticing is, and this is such a weird symptom of improvement, I've been laughing at my own jokes more. 0.99

01:36:45.000 Which sounds like when it's fucking, you know, so you're an egomanic. 0.91

01:36:48.000 No, I'm just enjoying the idea as, like, an independent thing. 0.99

01:36:54.000 Right.

01:36:55.000 Like, I'm having fun.

01:36:56.000 Like, me and this person are playing, for lack of a better word. 0.99

01:36:59.000 Like, we're just fucking around. 0.97

01:37:00.000 Like, so, that, to me, is a symptom of feeling better. 0.99

01:37:04.000 And I also physically feel better.

01:37:07.000 Wow.

01:37:07.000 Okay, so the first one makes you feel better.

01:37:10.000 Is there an increase every time you do it, two through six?

01:37:14.000 He didn't tell me.

01:37:15.000 I'm betting there was.

01:37:17.000 You mean an increase in dosage?

01:37:18.000 Yeah.

01:37:18.000 I meant an increase in how you feel.

01:37:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:21.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:37:22.000 Because I'd feel, it would take me longer to get in the trip, and then the hangover would be way less.

01:37:28.000 Like, I think last Friday, I didn't take a nap.

01:37:31.000 Wow.

01:37:32.000 In fact, I know I didn't take a nap because I got it at 4 and I had like an 8.15.

01:37:38.000 So I did, I was tripping from 4.15 to 5 and then figured out how to go and had a good set.

01:37:47.000 Wow.

01:37:48.000 Yeah.

01:37:49.000 So, is this something that you're going to have to repeat, or is it supposed to be like you whack it out in six tries?

01:37:54.000 At this point, how long it lasts varies.

01:38:01.000 He said it could be a few weeks, it could be a few months.

01:38:06.000 He did tell me, he said, these are the things that will make it last longer.

01:38:09.000 Diet, exercise, obvious, sleep.

01:38:12.000 He said to sleep with the sun.

01:38:14.000 He's like, wake up early if you can.

01:38:17.000 And another doctor told me that more serotonin is produced early in the day than late.

01:38:23.000 So if you wake up early to wake, early to rise.

01:38:26.000 Yeah.

01:38:27.000 That's basically, like, that's better for your mental health.

01:38:30.000 Keeps a man healthy.

01:38:31.000 That is correct.

01:38:33.000 Early to bed.

01:38:34.000 So, yeah, it's like going to bed, trying to wake up at 7 or 8. But how are you going to go to bed early?

01:38:39.000 You're a comic.

01:38:40.000 I haven't yet.

01:38:40.000 That's not going to work, right?

01:38:42.000 You're just going to be tired all the time.

01:38:43.000 No, but I can go to bed.

01:38:44.000 There are days during the week I can go to bed at 9 or 1. I do feel like there's ideas that are available to you when you wake up early in the morning that aren't available to you at any other time of the day.

01:38:54.000 Like, sometimes I force myself to get up early in the morning just to sit down and write, because I think that sometimes I force myself awake.

01:39:02.000 Like, if I set my alarm for 6...

01:39:04.000 And then I'll get up and I'll sit in front of that computer at 6.30.

01:39:07.000 I'm all cloudy-eyed.

01:39:08.000 But then somewhere on like 6.20 or 6.45, 6.50, 20 minutes later, I start getting ideas.

01:39:15.000 And then they start coming out.

01:39:17.000 And then there's this initial wake-up, and then the coffee hits in.

01:39:20.000 And there's this initial wake-up ideas that I think are almost different because they're really connected to the sleep world.

01:39:26.000 You were just sleeping just a small amount of time ago.

01:39:28.000 Yeah.

01:39:29.000 And you can't, you don't have defenses at that point. 1.00

01:39:32.000 You can't be like, it's stupid. 1.00

01:39:33.000 You're just like, ugh. 1.00

01:39:34.000 Yeah, well that's one of the reasons why people like writing really silly shit late at night. 0.99

01:39:39.000 Like the news radio writers, they didn't even start working until like 2 o'clock in the morning. 0.99

01:39:43.000 I think that was mostly Paul.

01:39:44.000 Yeah.

01:39:45.000 It was Paul.

01:39:45.000 It was Paul being in his 20s and...

01:39:47.000 It was also a message that was madness.

01:39:49.000 Yeah.

01:39:49.000 Like, Paul knew what he was doing.

01:39:51.000 And they would write the silliest shit. 1.00

01:39:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:39:53.000 Because they were barely awake. 1.00

01:39:54.000 They were just, like, laughing and...

01:39:56.000 Yeah, I'd always heard that that show, they just play video games.

01:39:59.000 That's mostly what the writers did.

01:40:00.000 They got me addicted.

01:40:01.000 They had a local area network set up with computers playing Quake on them. 0.99

01:40:05.000 And you would go there and we'd all play real-time against each other and talk shit and laugh. 0.97

01:40:09.000 That's awesome. 0.99

01:40:10.000 Oh my god, it was so addictive.

01:40:11.000 I like being up.

01:40:13.000 That's the thing.

01:40:13.000 I don't like getting up, but I like being up.

01:40:15.000 Right.

01:40:15.000 Getting up is the hard part.

01:40:16.000 Forcing yourself to get up out of the bed.

01:40:18.000 Oh, you know what?

01:40:18.000 I have a thing on my phone that's really funny.

01:40:22.000 It's either for you or not.

01:40:24.000 It's an app called I Can't Wake Up.

01:40:26.000 Right?

01:40:27.000 Okay.

01:40:27.000 It's an alarm clock.

01:40:29.000 It goes off.

01:40:30.000 It plays music or whatever, chime or vibrates, whatever.

01:40:34.000 In order to turn it off, you have to basically enter a code.

01:40:40.000 So it's like a 25 or 30 character code.

01:40:44.000 Caps, numbers, lowercase. 0.99

01:40:46.000 Takes fucking 55 seconds. 1.00

01:40:50.000 To do, and by the time you're done, you're like, fuck it, I'm up. 0.99

01:40:53.000 Oh my god, if you're doing that next to a girl, if you're dating a girl, and she doesn't have to get up, she'd be so mad at you. 1.00

01:41:00.000 You fucking asshole, you just get out of the bedroom! 1.00

01:41:04.000 Yeah, it's really funny, and it works, actually. 1.00

01:41:08.000 I have no problem getting up.

01:41:10.000 I don't like it, but I do it.

01:41:12.000 But I grew up getting up every day, because I had a paper route from the time I was like 17 until I was like 21. Yeah.

01:41:20.000 Maybe even 22. I kept it till.

01:41:24.000 So I'm used to just like, just get up.

01:41:26.000 Get up!

01:41:27.000 You know, just get up.

01:41:29.000 Yeah, the other, so diet, exercise, get up with the sun, and everything that was interesting was talk therapy.

01:41:38.000 Fine.

01:41:39.000 The other thing with therapy, I got so sick of talking.

01:41:42.000 I was like, I need a physical cure.

01:41:44.000 Like, I know what the problems are.

01:41:47.000 It's not making me feel better. 0.99

01:41:49.000 Like, it's a fucking physical issue. 0.99

01:41:51.000 I promise you. 0.99

01:41:53.000 And that's pretty much been established, right?

01:41:54.000 I mean, it's pretty much been established that there are a large majority of people or a large number of people that have depression.

01:42:02.000 There's a depleted amount of serotonin.

01:42:05.000 Yeah, well, yes.

01:42:07.000 Is that established?

01:42:08.000 Yes.

01:42:08.000 As far as I'm concerned, it's established.

01:42:10.000 But they don't really know.

01:42:13.000 And there are certain therapies, CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy, that works really well for people.

01:42:22.000 Now, what do you do when you do that?

01:42:24.000 I don't know, because I haven't done it.

01:42:25.000 Now, when you're getting...

01:42:27.000 Do you get measured?

01:42:28.000 Like, do they measure your serotonin?

01:42:30.000 They take your blood...

01:42:31.000 I don't think they have...

01:42:31.000 They don't have a measurement for it.

01:42:33.000 Whoa.

01:42:34.000 Yeah. 0.77

01:42:35.000 Look it up, but I've Googled it, because I've been like, how the fuck do I prove this?

01:42:40.000 But they do have serotonin syndrome, right? 0.97

01:42:42.000 Where you're taking 5-HTP and an SSRI, and it gives you too much serotonin, it can really fuck with you? 0.57

01:42:47.000 Yeah.

01:42:48.000 So how do they know it's giving you too much serotonin?

01:42:49.000 I think by the symptoms.

01:42:51.000 Hmm.

01:42:53.000 Um...

01:42:54.000 Seems like, it seems weird that they don't have a way of measuring what your levels are.

01:42:58.000 Because, can they measure your levels of dopamine?

01:43:00.000 I don't think so.

01:43:01.000 Whoa. 1.00

01:43:03.000 The brain is so fucking complicated, man. 1.00

01:43:05.000 Oh, they know, like, nothing. 0.99

01:43:06.000 They know nothing about it, because it's impossible to, there's no, you know what I mean?

01:43:10.000 It's like, you can look at a heart, most of it, that's physical.

01:43:13.000 It's just like blood, the thing, the liquid goes in, then it comes out.

01:43:17.000 It's mechanical, whereas the brain is not mechanical.

01:43:19.000 Well, one of the things that you brought up was Carl Hart, Dr. Carl Hart.

01:43:23.000 And there's a lot of really brilliant people today that are trying to get people to understand addictions and what are the root cause of addiction.

01:43:31.000 And Gabor Mate had some interesting stuff to say about that too in the movie The Culture High.

01:43:37.000 And one of the main issues they're talking about is that a lot of these people that are addicted, that deal with addictions, or people that are depressed, and people that have these moments in their life they're trying to get over the hump, they're dealing with childhood abuse, or they're dealing with childhood stress,

01:43:55.000 or really traumatic events.

01:43:56.000 I've had a lot of therapists tell me I have PTSD. A lot of therapists tell me that.

01:44:00.000 Well, you didn't have the easiest childhood.

01:44:03.000 No.

01:44:03.000 I think it's partially like, my dad never hit me, but he used to beat the shit out of my brothers, and I was like three.

01:44:10.000 So I think that must have been traumatic.

01:44:13.000 How could it not be?

01:44:14.000 How could it not be?

01:44:16.000 I mean, I can't imagine that.

01:44:18.000 I can't even imagine that. 0.97

01:44:20.000 Yeah, it was shitty.

01:44:21.000 It's just a shitty way to, and then like there's so many kids you don't get like the enough nutrients basically. 0.79

01:44:26.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:44:27.000 So, and they say like a lot of that, a lot of serotonin levels are based on that early shit. 0.97

01:44:34.000 It can only, it only makes sense. 0.99

01:44:36.000 Yeah.

01:44:36.000 It only makes sense that your brain is programmed based on the experiences that it has to deal with.

01:44:43.000 Yeah.

01:44:43.000 And that if you're dealing with, like, that's one of the things they say about extremely violent neighborhoods.

01:44:47.000 Kids that grow up in violent, like Michael Irvin was telling me this.

01:44:51.000 The kids that grow up in violent families and around violence, they literally, from the womb, the mother, as she's dealing with high cortisol levels and stress levels and adrenaline.

01:45:00.000 Yes.

01:45:01.000 The mother is programming the child from the time it's inside of her body to be more reactive, to explode, to freak out.

01:45:08.000 Yeah, cortisol at an early age, I feel like, killed serotonin.

01:45:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:13.000 I could be making that up, but it sounds right.

01:45:15.000 So, would you categorize what you're doing by having these experiences with ketamine, like a rewiring?

01:45:24.000 Yes.

01:45:25.000 So that's what you're saying earlier.

01:45:26.000 You're going to think I'm crazy, but there have been times in the last week Where I can feel my brain physically not moving, but like...

01:45:39.000 Adjusting.

01:45:42.000 Maybe a certain amount of energy was inside that area.

01:45:45.000 Well, that's the thing about the brain. 0.99

01:45:46.000 It fucking knows what it is. 1.00

01:45:48.000 They know about dendrites and nerve endings and all that shit, but they don't know about... 1.00

01:45:54.000 They don't really know.

01:45:55.000 They just know chemicals and the synapses, but they don't know exactly how they interact.

01:46:00.000 So...

01:46:02.000 I felt, my brain has felt different physically.

01:46:05.000 And my sleep has been all over the place.

01:46:08.000 One night I couldn't, I woke up at 6 and couldn't get back to sleep.

01:46:12.000 Like, and then another day I slept till like 11 in the morning.

01:46:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:19.000 11 or 12. Like, late.

01:46:20.000 So it's been all over the place, which lets you know, like, there's an adjustment going on.

01:46:24.000 Do you get the sun in your bedroom?

01:46:27.000 Yeah.

01:46:27.000 You don't sleep with curtains closed?

01:46:30.000 No.

01:46:30.000 So when the sun comes in, you wake up?

01:46:32.000 No.

01:46:32.000 That's how you're supposed to do it, right?

01:46:33.000 Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

01:46:34.000 Yes.

01:46:35.000 That goes to that waking up with the sunshine thing.

01:46:39.000 So...

01:46:40.000 And the other thing, the other symptom that I feel like it's better is I've been writing more. 0.99

01:46:44.000 It's like, fucking thank God. 0.99

01:46:46.000 Fucking thank you. 0.99

01:46:48.000 Not just writing more, but being more productive with your writing. 0.99

01:46:51.000 Yeah, being more productive with it.

01:46:53.000 Because you don't strike me as a guy who would be lazy, like not writing.

01:46:56.000 No, but, but, like, you know, I'm not, I'm not, like, if I don't have an idea, I just don't write.

01:47:02.000 Right.

01:47:03.000 I'm not one of these people like, no, no, no, no, no.

01:47:05.000 There's something funny about the sky.

01:47:07.000 Let's figure it out.

01:47:08.000 That's never how it's been for me.

01:47:10.000 I write entries.

01:47:13.000 I write blog entries or essays, and then I extract funny ideas from them.

01:47:17.000 That's what I've been doing.

01:47:17.000 I feel like if I sit down and just try to write joke, joke, jokes, it's not my style.

01:47:23.000 It's not the most effective way.

01:47:25.000 I create a lot of pulp.

01:47:27.000 There's a lot of nonsense that I don't need. 1.00

01:47:30.000 Fucking tell me about it. 0.99

01:47:31.000 But I accepted that as a part of the process, that I'm just like mining. 0.99

01:47:34.000 Like you don't just tap into a mountain and go, oh look, it's all gold. 0.98

01:47:38.000 Like no, it's gold mixed in with rock and bullshit and you gotta find it. 1.00

01:47:42.000 And again, I think some people are just better at distilling their shit. 1.00

01:47:45.000 Or their shit comes to them more distilled. 1.00

01:47:48.000 But don't you think though that, for me at least, almost all of it sucks until I bring it to the stage. 1.00

01:47:54.000 I have to find out what it really is.

01:47:57.000 I have to push it out in front of people.

01:48:00.000 I got this new bit that I worked out last night for the first time ever at the Ice House, and as I was working it out, I was like, oh, finally, I know.

01:48:08.000 Because I didn't know.

01:48:09.000 Before I was like, is there something in this?

01:48:11.000 I don't know if there's anything in this.

01:48:13.000 That's the thing about comedy is you're never sure.

01:48:15.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:48:15.000 You're never fucking sure. 0.97

01:48:16.000 So I don't, I literally go on with this and go, I don't know, if you asked me to bet, I'd lose money a lot of the time. 0.98

01:48:24.000 Right.

01:48:24.000 And then sometimes it's like a tagline that's the funniest line.

01:48:27.000 That gets the huge laugh and you're like, oh, alright.

01:48:30.000 Or a throwaway.

01:48:30.000 I still said it.

01:48:31.000 Yeah.

01:48:34.000 I'm still taking the credit.

01:48:35.000 I'll take the credit.

01:48:36.000 I didn't think it was where I thought.

01:48:38.000 Do you think that that attitude, that thinking about the credit, like what we were talking about before, that was the boost that you got, was you would get ego and you would get adrenaline and you wouldn't get the joy.

01:48:47.000 Do you think that it's detrimental to concentrate on the credit?

01:48:50.000 Do you think that it's better to achieve a zen state? 0.99

01:48:53.000 Yeah, well that's the thing I've said on here before, which when me and Dave did the show, we wouldn't tell people who wrote what.

01:49:00.000 Because it was like, it's none of your business.

01:49:02.000 Because you're just going to use it to judge the person who didn't write it.

01:49:04.000 Who didn't come up with it.

01:49:06.000 So yeah, I don't...

01:49:07.000 It's a frivolous...

01:49:10.000 Whenever I'm with a group of people, if I'm writing in a room, my feeling is...

01:49:15.000 Generally how it works with me is...

01:49:17.000 I don't pitch anything for a while up front. 0.99

01:49:21.000 And I'm like, dude, you gotta fucking pitch him. 0.95

01:49:23.000 And then by the end, I've either caught up or beat most of the people. 0.98

01:49:29.000 Because I... I just want to contribute.

01:49:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:33.000 I just want to contribute to the role. 0.99

01:49:37.000 I want to hold my own, but I'm not like, I'm going to fucking vanquish these motherfuckers, because it's comedy. 0.99

01:49:45.000 It's silly, and how you come up with it is so communal. 0.99

01:49:51.000 Well, in that sense, but I'm talking about in the sense of actually writing things for you, for you on stage, not in the writer's room when you're writing for a sitcom or something like that. 0.63

01:49:58.000 We're talking about you coming up with a tagline out of nowhere and go, well, I'll take it.

01:50:02.000 I still want credit for that.

01:50:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:50:04.000 I mean, I'm joking about it in that I guess it's like the ego.

01:50:09.000 It's just like, I didn't know that was the thing.

01:50:11.000 It's like the guy who invents...

01:50:13.000 It happens a lot with pharmaceuticals, actually.

01:50:15.000 They think it's for high blood pressure, and then it ends up being for...

01:50:17.000 For depression.

01:50:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:50:20.000 So it's like, oh, cool.

01:50:21.000 But the credit thing I don't get too hung up with.

01:50:24.000 I'm like glad that I came up with it.

01:50:26.000 But I'm like you, where there's such... 0.98

01:50:29.000 You know chaff like just fucking nothing yeah, and then it's what's nice is when you have a thought or like a long-held Idea about something and then eight years later you come with a joke for it Yeah, and for me also sometimes I find puzzle pieces and they they're like little islands and all sudden clink can I click together and they have a bridge and then they become awesome like I know where oh my god you puzzle fucker buddy Come on over. 1.00

01:50:57.000 Now you're exciting. 0.99

01:50:58.000 Now you're part of a little continent.

01:51:00.000 It's not an island anymore.

01:51:02.000 Yeah, because after a while, if you have enough bits in your act, if you have like five or six ideas, or eight or whatever, then you can just...

01:51:11.000 You'll just end up filling up those eight more than like, I gotta come up with two more.

01:51:15.000 It's just like the eight get longer with those little puzzle pieces.

01:51:18.000 Now, after doing these six treatments, do you anticipate this being like a quarterly thing that you do to just keep your brain charged in this state?

01:51:28.000 Yeah, he told me that there's a guy who does it once a month, whether he feels like he needs it or not.

01:51:33.000 By the way, I should say it's $600 of treatment.

01:51:36.000 Jesus.

01:51:36.000 Yeah.

01:51:37.000 That's a lot of money.

01:51:37.000 Yeah.

01:51:38.000 So you are...

01:51:39.000 But by the way, they were like, it's $3,500.

01:51:42.000 I was like, I'll give you... 0.99

01:51:43.000 Name your fucking price. 1.00

01:51:44.000 If it's going to work, I'll give you half my life savings. 1.00

01:51:47.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:51:48.000 Right. 1.00

01:51:49.000 Like, none of this shit means anything if I'm not happy. 0.98

01:51:53.000 Not only that, as an artist, as someone who's more productive if you're happy, it's worth a shitload of money. 0.99

01:51:59.000 Yeah.

01:52:00.000 That's 100% true.

01:52:01.000 And also more productive when your brain's working properly.

01:52:04.000 How long has this gentleman been doing this?

01:52:08.000 Didn't ask.

01:52:09.000 He was an anesthesiologist.

01:52:13.000 By trade, he was an anesthesiologist.

01:52:16.000 By the way, it's approved by the FDA. That's what's so crazy.

01:52:21.000 The first thing I said when I came out of the trip, I go, I can't believe the FDA approved that.

01:52:25.000 How did they know?

01:52:27.000 Because it works.

01:52:29.000 He said it's like 70-80% of people it works with persistent depression.

01:52:37.000 Persistent, mildly untreatable depression.

01:52:40.000 What if people aren't depressed?

01:52:41.000 What about a guy like me?

01:52:43.000 I don't know.

01:52:44.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:52:46.000 A whole monkey in with your fucking neurology there, Rogan. 1.00

01:52:50.000 I mean, it might. 1.00

01:52:51.000 I don't think it'll... 0.91

01:52:51.000 It fucks me up. 0.91

01:52:52.000 I don't think it'll fuck you up any more than DMT or Ayahuasca or anything. 0.99

01:52:57.000 I was gonna do Ayahuasca.

01:52:58.000 Yeah.

01:52:59.000 And then, the more I read about it, I was like, eh.

01:53:02.000 Just like...

01:53:03.000 What's the matter?

01:53:04.000 Really throwing up for hours and fighting diarrhea.

01:53:08.000 And then it also seemed like nebulous in terms of, is that what happens?

01:53:12.000 I've only done DMT. I've done the pure extract, which is what ayahuasca is, is a slow release version of DMT. Okay.

01:53:21.000 So what happens is, with DMT, they get it down to this freebase form, which is essentially, they process it down to the raw crystals, and you smoke that, and you get pure DMT. Or, the way Rick Strassman did it, Rick Strassman, finally we rescheduled, his health is doing much better,

01:53:37.000 and he'll be here in August.

01:53:40.000 I think he's going to be here in August.

01:53:43.000 But he wrote a great book called DMT, the Spirit Molecule.

01:53:46.000 Yeah, they made a documentary, right.

01:53:48.000 Yeah, and I hosted the documentary.

01:53:49.000 Oh, great.

01:53:50.000 It's in my queue, Joe.

01:53:51.000 Yeah, we'll go watch it.

01:53:52.000 You'll see me.

01:53:52.000 I'm beautiful.

01:53:54.000 But it was connected to Rick's work, but it was a lot of other experts, Dennis McKenna and a lot of different people interviewed talking about the drug.

01:54:04.000 But what he found, he had, this is all FDA approved as well, and they did these trials out of the University of New Mexico where they gave people intravenous DMT. Which is just like they're doing the intravenous ketamine with you, you know, boom, right into this bloodstream and a long-term effect.

01:54:21.000 Just like your experience, it's like a 45-minute trip, as opposed to DMT, which is like 15 minutes.

01:54:29.000 So the ayahuasca, what they've done is they figured out a way to have DMT and MAO inhibitor, a natural MAO inhibitor.

01:54:36.000 Okay.

01:54:37.000 Because monoamine oxidase, which is MAO, dissolves DMT in the gut.

01:54:41.000 So if you try to take it orally, your body just breaks it down.

01:54:44.000 And one of the reasons for that is that DMT exists in so many different plants that it was just orally active on its own.

01:54:50.000 You would get high every time you eat a salad. 0.97

01:54:52.000 You'd be tripping your balls off. 0.97

01:54:54.000 It would be edible, but you would be freaking out. 1.00

01:54:57.000 Your neurotransmitter levels would go through the fucking roof every time you ate vegetables. 0.96

01:55:02.000 So they figured out how to do it in a hospital setting, just like what you're doing, a doctor's office setting, sort of like what you're doing. 0.99

01:55:13.000 And they had, you know, really, really, really profound results with it to the point where it was really, really life-changing shit for the people that were a part of it. 0.97

01:55:23.000 Yeah, because it's just like a fucking, it's like having a, it's like, you know when you see boxers working with like a weighted vest? 0.98

01:55:29.000 It's like, take the vest off. 0.99

01:55:31.000 So that's what you feel like after you got out of there.

01:55:32.000 You took the vest off.

01:55:33.000 Yeah.

01:55:34.000 And you took the vest off more and more every time you did it.

01:55:37.000 Yeah.

01:55:37.000 And so the sixth one, after the sixth one's over, describe what it's like the next day after the initial...

01:55:43.000 Smaller hangover and just general...

01:55:47.000 And I was taking that...

01:55:49.000 Like I said, the scores would go down. 0.98

01:55:52.000 It's called the Beck questionnaire or some shit. 0.93

01:55:56.000 And I just feel like... 0.98

01:56:00.000 I like my dog more. 0.99

01:56:02.000 I mean, it's just the dumbest shit, but it's like, I write more, I laugh at my own jokes more, I like my dog more. 0.99

01:56:10.000 The other thing that he said, which I was going to mention, of the things that will make it last longer, diet, health, exercise, talk therapy, and a close personal connection. 0.99

01:56:24.000 That's what he said.

01:56:24.000 Close personal connection.

01:56:25.000 Yeah.

01:56:26.000 With someone.

01:56:27.000 With someone.

01:56:27.000 Yeah.

01:56:28.000 With a love.

01:56:28.000 Yeah.

01:56:29.000 Are you capable of love?

01:56:32.000 I'm out on the streets looking.

01:56:34.000 Looking for love in all the wrong places?

01:56:36.000 I'm looking for a candidate.

01:56:38.000 Trying to make this ketamine last, girl.

01:56:46.000 Now what are you doing for exercise?

01:56:48.000 Cattle bells and treadmill.

01:56:50.000 Which I always do.

01:56:54.000 But it's just a YouTube kettlebell exercise regimen.

01:57:00.000 Yeah, that's hard to motivate yourself.

01:57:02.000 You should go take a class.

01:57:03.000 The thing is, I don't have a hard time.

01:57:05.000 When I got my treadmill, my accountant was like, trust me, you're never going to use it.

01:57:09.000 My clients get them and never use it.

01:57:10.000 I was like, I'm Irish Catholic. 0.99

01:57:12.000 I'm fucking going to use it. 0.99

01:57:14.000 Trust me. 1.00

01:57:14.000 I will be like, no, you motherfucker, you will. 1.00

01:57:20.000 Do you ever see an accountant talking shit like that, questioning your will? 1.00

01:57:23.000 Say, listen, bitch. 1.00

01:57:24.000 Sign checks, you fuck. 1.00

01:57:26.000 He did that when I invested in that laugh stub website that does the tickets for all the comedy clubs. 1.00

01:57:36.000 I invested in it four, five, six years ago.

01:57:40.000 And he's like, I quadrupled my money. 1.00

01:57:45.000 And I was like, by the way, my dad's a fucking lawyer. 0.99

01:57:48.000 Like, I'm not a rube. 0.99

01:57:50.000 My dad was a tax lawyer.

01:57:52.000 Like, I'm not like, wait, wait.

01:57:53.000 And I invested in a restaurant recently.

01:57:55.000 He's like, yeah, you can sit at the corner table. 0.99

01:57:56.000 I'm like, I'm not doing it to sit at the fucking corner table. 0.98

01:58:00.000 I'm doing it because I think it's a good investment. 0.99

01:58:01.000 You need a new accountant.

01:58:02.000 He sounds like a negative Nancy.

01:58:03.000 He is. 1.00

01:58:04.000 What a dick. 1.00

01:58:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:58:05.000 So, uh... 1.00

01:58:06.000 If I had an accountant like that, I'd be like, listen, fuck face. 1.00

01:58:09.000 He's trying to... 1.00

01:58:09.000 I mean, he's trying to be cautious. 1.00

01:58:10.000 That's what he's trying to do. 1.00

01:58:11.000 Fuck him. 1.00

01:58:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:58:13.000 Fuck him. 1.00

01:58:15.000 Cautious people are great, but not that cautious. 1.00

01:58:17.000 Where you're getting cautious about a fucking treadmill, you micromanager. 0.99

01:58:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:58:21.000 Just let them buy the treadmill. 0.98

01:58:22.000 Yeah, let the kid have some fun. 1.00

01:58:24.000 Let the kid have a fucking exercise equipment in his house. 1.00

01:58:26.000 Yeah, I use it all the time. 1.00

01:58:28.000 And kettlebell's the same thing.

01:58:30.000 So do you feel like a noticeable change when you have a good workout?

01:58:33.000 Do you feel like elevated?

01:58:35.000 No, I have yet to get that.

01:58:37.000 You don't get like a runner's high? 0.98

01:58:38.000 No, at this point, I just, because I just wasn't, because I felt shitty and didn't exercise for like three weeks, now I'm like fucking doing kettlebells and I'm like fuck afterward just because I'm out of shape basically. 0.98

01:58:51.000 Right. 0.99

01:58:51.000 So I'm in that like fucking Jesus. 0.99

01:58:53.000 So the three weeks where you were weaning yourself off of the drugs? 1.00

01:58:57.000 The last couple months, I just haven't had time to do that shit. 1.00

01:59:02.000 And I haven't been home and shit, so. 1.00

01:59:03.000 Right. 0.98

01:59:04.000 So, but now that I'm back on it, I'm hoping...

01:59:06.000 I've never had a runner's high.

01:59:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:08.000 People are like, yeah, you got a runner's high.

01:59:09.000 I'm like, I've never had a runner's high? 1.00

01:59:11.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:59:12.000 Wow. 1.00

01:59:13.000 That would require serotonin.

01:59:15.000 I think you've got to go deep to get a runner's high, too.

01:59:17.000 You've got to be exhausted.

01:59:18.000 Yeah, I think it's...

01:59:21.000 I can't remember what the mechanism is, why you get it.

01:59:25.000 It's like one of those things where your body thinks you're dying or something. 0.98

01:59:28.000 My buddy Cameron Haynes just ran a fucking 24-hour run. 0.99

01:59:31.000 A mile track, 24 hours. 0.99

01:59:34.000 He did 106 laps.

01:59:37.000 He ran 106 miles in 24 hours.

01:59:40.000 His legs swelled up to twice their size. 0.99

01:59:43.000 His feet are fucking bleeding. 0.98

01:59:44.000 He's had videos on his Instagram of him them popping these blood volcanoes in his feet popping and squirts up in the air. 0.99

01:59:52.000 What did he do it for? 1.00

01:59:53.000 To be an asshole. 1.00

01:59:54.000 So let everybody know that he can run 106 miles. 1.00

01:59:57.000 I like that his body hulked out afterward.

01:59:59.000 Like, I guess we're a hulk now. 1.00

02:00:01.000 Fuck it, let's hulk out. 1.00

02:00:02.000 He pushes himself. 1.00

02:00:03.000 He's really into pushing himself.

02:00:05.000 You know, like testing his mental toughness, testing his mental boundaries.

02:00:09.000 Yeah.

02:00:10.000 So he ran 106 miles. 1.00

02:00:11.000 Fucking psycho. 1.00

02:00:12.000 He's crazy. 1.00

02:00:14.000 He's a professional bow hunter. 1.00

02:00:16.000 He's a crazy guy as it is. 0.99

02:00:18.000 Say no more. 0.98

02:00:19.000 He regularly throws a 135 pound rock in his backpack and climbs up hills.

02:00:25.000 To simulate, like, what it's like to pack out meat when you're hunting.

02:00:29.000 Cause you gotta, these mountain hunters, mountain hunting is incredibly difficult to do physically.

02:00:35.000 Did you do it?

02:00:35.000 Is that the one you did?

02:00:36.000 I've done it a couple times.

02:00:37.000 Yes.

02:00:37.000 But the climbing up was the most shocking.

02:00:40.000 Like, how tired you get.

02:00:41.000 Yeah.

02:00:42.000 Like, I'm in shape.

02:00:42.000 I work out all the time.

02:00:43.000 Yep. 1.00

02:00:44.000 I'll climb that mountain, bitch. 1.00

02:00:45.000 But you guys are talking like, holy fuck. 1.00

02:00:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:00:47.000 If you're not doing that specifically, like, constantly climbing, You get fucking exhausted. 1.00

02:00:53.000 And then you miss out on opportunities. 0.66

02:00:56.000 And he's a professional.

02:00:58.000 That's what he does.

02:00:58.000 So he gets in shape literally for that.

02:01:01.000 And then along the way, he got addicted to getting in shape.

02:01:04.000 And then you get addicted to results and addicted to performance.

02:01:09.000 The other thing I was going to mention was since taking the ketamine, my recall has gotten better.

02:01:17.000 Memory.

02:01:17.000 Yeah.

02:01:18.000 Because that's the thing that is sort of unsung about depression.

02:01:22.000 It fucks your memory up.

02:01:24.000 Like you can't recall words.

02:01:26.000 Well, it makes sense because memories increased by upping your neurotransmitters.

02:01:31.000 Yeah.

02:01:31.000 When you take nootropics, that's one of the things that we found when we did the double blind placebo studies at the Boston Center for Memory with AlphaBrain was that one of the big markers that it increased in is memory.

02:01:42.000 Memory, and even reaction time, executive function, all those things that you're attaching to, or the opposite of it, you're attaching to depression.

02:01:50.000 This slowness, this drag, this weight.

02:01:54.000 Yeah, the other thing, last night, last two nights when I've been at clubs, I remember everyone's name.

02:02:00.000 Normally I'm like, I think I know your name, I couldn't tell you what it is.

02:02:05.000 Like I could see their name next to their face.

02:02:09.000 Wow.

02:02:10.000 Which again, just the weird thing that you don't think about. 0.99

02:02:13.000 And then when it happens, you're like, fucking, okay, good. 0.99

02:02:16.000 I thought my memory was fucked up. 0.98

02:02:17.000 If I could remember how I used to think of you when I first met you, like way back at the Boston Comedy Club, you were never like jovial. 0.86

02:02:25.000 You never were like real happy.

02:02:28.000 Ever.

02:02:28.000 You were always cool.

02:02:29.000 Yeah.

02:02:29.000 We were always friendly with each other.

02:02:32.000 Yeah, fucking throw the ball around a little bit. 0.99

02:02:33.000 Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? 0.99

02:02:35.000 When I was a kid, I was like that.

02:02:37.000 There was a picture of me as a baby.

02:02:40.000 I'm one and a half, and I'm like literally staring at the picture, like staring at the camera, and Chappelle goes, and you've had that look on your face ever since.

02:02:53.000 Yeah, you were always kind of stoic.

02:02:55.000 Yeah, and it's not, and the thing is, it's like, the other thing, it sucks going through life going like, I know there's something better.

02:03:01.000 I know there's something, I don't want to be like this.

02:03:04.000 Like, I know...

02:03:05.000 That there is a...

02:03:07.000 I know if I wasn't like this, life would be more enjoyable.

02:03:11.000 And I know it's not... 0.98

02:03:13.000 You know, it's the thing with depression is a lot of times people think it's just like, oh, well, you don't fucking... 0.99

02:03:18.000 It's like when Henry Rollins said fucking, I can't believe Robin Williams killed himself. 1.00

02:03:22.000 It's like, well, then you don't fucking understand depression, dickhead. 1.00

02:03:25.000 It's not like getting lung cancer because you didn't even breathe right. 1.00

02:03:28.000 He's got that whole suck it up attitude, down pat.

02:03:32.000 Yeah.

02:03:32.000 But...

02:03:34.000 I don't...

02:03:35.000 I can't subscribe to that. 0.98

02:03:37.000 I've known way too many people that have had, like, real fucking problems with it. 0.93

02:03:40.000 And I think it can be adjusted with behavior modifications, the way you treat people, the way you interface with people, with exercise, with diet. 0.97

02:03:51.000 A little bit.

02:03:51.000 There's a lot going on.

02:03:52.000 But some people, man, it's not enough. 0.98

02:03:55.000 Some people just are still fucking depressed. 0.98

02:03:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:03:57.000 I've gone to therapy fucking... 1.00

02:04:00.000 15 years. 1.00

02:04:01.000 Ari said mushrooms helped him a lot.

02:04:03.000 Yeah, there's a lot of people say, like, mushrooms, they're trying to, they're, mushrooms is in this whole ketamine, iboga, iboga, iboga, iboga, yeah, but the extract is iboga. 0.96

02:04:16.000 Ayahuasca, all that shit.

02:04:18.000 There's a thing in South America, or Costa Rica, it's like an ibogaine retreat. 0.99

02:04:26.000 And you see, there are videos on this retreat thing, you see a guy transform in a week.

02:04:32.000 And it's not fake.

02:04:34.000 You can see it in his carriage, in his eyes.

02:04:37.000 Like, it's amazing. 0.82

02:04:39.000 So, yeah, I think some people, it's just like, you gotta fucking do a hard restart.

02:04:44.000 Yeah, hard restarts are great for phones and people.

02:04:47.000 Yeah, which brings me to the Samsung Galaxy S6, Joe.

02:04:51.000 You know, when you do the math, it's simple.

02:04:55.000 6 is greater than 6. What?

02:04:58.000 Is that one of the answers?

02:04:59.000 That is.

02:05:00.000 Maybe you should do punch-up on that.

02:05:03.000 I do a little, but I can't pick what they pick.

02:05:07.000 They should listen to you.

02:05:09.000 I think they're popular, though.

02:05:10.000 They do listen to me sometimes.

02:05:11.000 They're very popular.

02:05:12.000 But, like, I think the ads are popular, so I can't argue with them.

02:05:14.000 Well, it's just funny. 1.00

02:05:15.000 All those ads on YouTube, it's just, in the comments, it's just Apple, Samsung, Apple, Samsung, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. 1.00

02:05:25.000 It's like, dude, you gotta, this can't be that important. 1.00

02:05:28.000 Well, people get hung up on brands so hard.

02:05:30.000 You know, I've had people that I've talked to that say, I'll never buy a Ford. 0.99

02:05:35.000 I'm a fucking Chevy guy. 0.99

02:05:36.000 You're like, what is wrong with you? 1.00

02:05:38.000 Superstition.

02:05:39.000 I don't buy Apple, dude.

02:05:41.000 I'm a Windows guy.

02:05:42.000 Yeah.

02:05:43.000 Okay.

02:05:44.000 Jesus Christ.

02:05:45.000 What if all of a sudden Apple comes up with the greatest thing ever?

02:05:47.000 Are you going to stick to your guns?

02:05:49.000 Because they trick you into...

02:05:50.000 Because it's not about the product.

02:05:51.000 It has been about the product and advertising for 20, 30 years.

02:05:54.000 It's about...

02:05:55.000 The cultural meaning of the thing.

02:05:58.000 Especially big brands. 0.99

02:06:00.000 That's why sneaker companies and shit like that, once they go south, once they're for losers, good luck. 0.99

02:06:07.000 Forget it. 0.99

02:06:08.000 Good luck.

02:06:08.000 Once you see one homeless guy wearing them...

02:06:12.000 And I'm talking to you, and one.

02:06:16.000 I would see and one, like, once you see or like...

02:06:19.000 And one had its day in the sun.

02:06:21.000 Yeah.

02:06:21.000 But it didn't work.

02:06:22.000 For like two years, yeah.

02:06:22.000 What happened?

02:06:23.000 And then it was just homeless guys.

02:06:24.000 I don't know.

02:06:25.000 It's interesting.

02:06:26.000 I'm sure it's interesting. 0.98

02:06:27.000 They fucked up their brand. 0.91

02:06:28.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:06:29.000 What other brands would you say are inexorable or unfixable?

02:06:33.000 Pony in the 80s.

02:06:35.000 Pony's back, though.

02:06:36.000 They, no?

02:06:37.000 They tried.

02:06:38.000 What about Puma?

02:06:39.000 Puma was a little shaky for a while.

02:06:40.000 Now it's kind of classic.

02:06:42.000 Some are European companies.

02:06:45.000 I think Nike owns Converse, and I think Adidas owns Puma.

02:06:50.000 Converse All-Stars never stopped.

02:06:53.000 They never went away.

02:06:54.000 They never did.

02:06:54.000 They hung in there just by...

02:06:56.000 The fact that it's not expensive and badass fucking sneaker. 0.98

02:07:00.000 They're like stylish enough and neutral enough. 0.98

02:07:04.000 Yeah.

02:07:04.000 They don't call a lot of attention.

02:07:05.000 They don't go on and on about it.

02:07:07.000 You know what I mean?

02:07:07.000 Chucks.

02:07:08.000 All day.

02:07:09.000 So then there's like a bunch of other companies that are like, New Balance?

02:07:13.000 Hmm, not sure.

02:07:14.000 Yeah.

02:07:14.000 Well, New Balance, some of them are just for runners.

02:07:16.000 Like, some are just like, uh, Sacani.

02:07:19.000 Oh, yeah.

02:07:20.000 New Balance.

02:07:21.000 What about Adidas?

02:07:23.000 Brooks, apparently.

02:07:23.000 Adidas is always gonna have a certain, like, shell tops are always gonna have a certain amount of class.

02:07:27.000 Yeah.

02:07:27.000 My Adidas.

02:07:29.000 And Nike's got the...

02:07:31.000 Pro athlete angle. 0.99

02:07:33.000 Yeah, but they've got like the fucking... 1.00

02:07:35.000 Like the super... 1.00

02:07:38.000 The one that's been like cool that black dudes wear. 1.00

02:07:40.000 Yeah.

02:07:41.000 The clean ones.

02:07:42.000 My white...

02:07:43.000 The clean ones.

02:07:44.000 I can't think of the name of it.

02:07:45.000 Do you request in your rider a new pair of sneakers with every show that you do?

02:07:50.000 I do not.

02:07:50.000 Like Eddie Griffin?

02:07:51.000 Yes.

02:07:52.000 Those are the ones.

02:07:53.000 It's that shoe.

02:07:54.000 White sneakers.

02:07:55.000 It's the white Air Force Ones.

02:07:56.000 Thank you very much.

02:07:57.000 It's the white Air Force Ones.

02:07:59.000 That's a perennial for them.

02:08:00.000 A perennial.

02:08:01.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:08:02.000 And the other one is the fucking Air... 0.99

02:08:07.000 It's the first one with the bubble. 0.99

02:08:10.000 Remember when it used to be Timbalands?

02:08:11.000 Air Max.

02:08:12.000 Air Max, that is correct.

02:08:13.000 Remember when it used to be Timbalands?

02:08:15.000 Yeah.

02:08:16.000 Timberlands with no laces?

02:08:17.000 Yeah.

02:08:18.000 Yeah, I remember.

02:08:18.000 I was there, Joe.

02:08:20.000 What happened there?

02:08:20.000 It wasn't jovial.

02:08:21.000 That didn't work.

02:08:23.000 No, in certain areas.

02:08:24.000 They never went out.

02:08:26.000 They never went out.

02:08:26.000 In certain areas, they never went out.

02:08:28.000 Is it like Doc Martens with depressed white people? 0.82

02:08:30.000 That is correct.

02:08:31.000 Doc Martens, there's a big part of the depressed punk rocker.

02:08:35.000 Angry.

02:08:35.000 Rebellion.

02:08:36.000 Yeah.

02:08:36.000 They want to be from Liverpool.

02:08:38.000 Not talking to your parents. 1.00

02:08:39.000 Fuck my parents. 1.00

02:08:40.000 I'm doing heroin. 1.00

02:08:41.000 Look at my shoes.

02:08:43.000 I'll be on St. Mark's if anyone needs me.

02:08:47.000 Doc Martens are a weird one.

02:08:48.000 Like if you wore a Doc Martens, you're basically like giving up on the rest of society.

02:08:53.000 And they're not good looking.

02:08:54.000 They started like skinheads made them popular.

02:08:57.000 Like, they were, like, big in the skinhead community, and then they kind of took off from there.

02:09:01.000 It's like, are we sure?

02:09:02.000 Well, they represented, like, a certain aesthetic of, like, a person who's just not following the norm.

02:09:07.000 You like dark things, clouds.

02:09:09.000 Yes.

02:09:11.000 Yeah.

02:09:11.000 Safety pins in your clothes.

02:09:13.000 It's like the Johnny Rotten fucking Malcolm McLaren shit. 1.00

02:09:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:09:18.000 Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, says Kevin. 1.00

02:09:22.000 All these fucking weirdos, man. 1.00

02:09:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:09:25.000 So, yeah, I've got to say, so far, so good with the ketamine.

02:09:30.000 Well, that's great to hear that you've found something that's an actual solution.

02:09:34.000 Yeah.

02:09:34.000 That, at least in this one run...

02:09:37.000 Yeah.

02:09:38.000 Have people had an issue similar to the way you were saying that these...

02:09:46.000 SSRIs, they would work for a little while, but then they stopped working.

02:09:48.000 Have people had an issue like this with ketamine, or is it too early to tell?

02:09:51.000 I think they've...

02:09:54.000 My feeling, personally, is like, at a certain point, I'll do something else.

02:10:00.000 But I don't think it's a matter of quitting.

02:10:04.000 I don't know what would happen.

02:10:05.000 I don't think it would be like...

02:10:06.000 The SSRI thing is, A, chemicals leaving your body.

02:10:10.000 That's the withdrawal, which creates any drug withdrawal.

02:10:13.000 It's just your body's trying to compensate.

02:10:16.000 With this there's no there's no ketamine in me Now to speak of right I guess there's maybe ketamine create something in your brain that whatever So well that's one of the weirdest things about some psychedelic trips is you feel like there's rewiring going on You feel that with DMT like they're working in your brain like you see them peripherally and you're looking at you going Yeah, 0.91

02:10:37.000 and they're like doing some shit off to the side. 0.61

02:10:39.000 That's what I mean. 0.98

02:10:40.000 It's like going backstage You're right. 1.00

02:10:41.000 You're just like oh fuck. 1.00

02:10:42.000 This is the oh go. 1.00

02:10:43.000 Hey guys How are you?

02:10:45.000 Well, I think you're seeing...

02:10:46.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're seeing is like the roots of where your behavior is coming from when you're saying that you see the wiring under the board.

02:10:55.000 Yeah, I just see more like the board.

02:11:00.000 The board itself.

02:11:01.000 Yeah, not necessarily like...

02:11:03.000 Do you see your childhood?

02:11:04.000 The lever.

02:11:05.000 Do you see your childhood?

02:11:06.000 No, I didn't see my childhood very much.

02:11:08.000 Do you see you in the current state?

02:11:10.000 I don't really see...

02:11:11.000 It was a POV. We all know POV from porn.

02:11:16.000 It was a POV shot of me basically laying in the same position as I was on the bed, which is just like, you know, sitting up in the bed.

02:11:26.000 So it was just me basically.

02:11:28.000 At one point it became like a little roller coaster.

02:11:31.000 Like but a fun kind of smooth like water ride But it's just me kind of going through different things and Some of the times it was just like white blah, you know just like and you you going into it with a mindset where you're trying to cure your depression are you trying to Eliminate it or mitigate it.

02:11:52.000 Yeah, I didn't yeah, I was like I'm just hopeful and Right.

02:11:57.000 But while you're having these experiences, while you're on the water slide, is this a theme?

02:12:01.000 Are you thinking?

02:12:03.000 Or are you just experiencing it?

02:12:06.000 It's just kind of nice, a nice feeling. 0.99

02:12:08.000 And then at times I would be like, oh fuck, I'm in Santa Monica, I'm trying to treat depression. 0.99

02:12:12.000 Whoa. 0.99

02:12:13.000 And you would think that while you're in the middle of the trip?

02:12:15.000 Yes.

02:12:15.000 Wow.

02:12:16.000 Yeah.

02:12:16.000 And the other thing is, I could hear the doctor sometimes.

02:12:20.000 What would he say?

02:12:22.000 Oh, but there's a nurse watching you the whole time. 1.00

02:12:24.000 A nurse?

02:12:25.000 Is she hot? 1.00

02:12:25.000 She's super fucking hot. 1.00

02:12:27.000 Really? 0.99

02:12:28.000 Stephanie, if you listen.

02:12:29.000 Is she really?

02:12:30.000 She was cute. 0.89

02:12:30.000 Yeah, Joe. 0.89

02:12:31.000 She was.

02:12:32.000 She's stacked.

02:12:32.000 That's where the POV came in handy.

02:12:34.000 She's got a corset on. 0.81

02:12:35.000 Yeah.

02:12:36.000 So she was watching.

02:12:37.000 She just watches you.

02:12:39.000 And I was like, hey, would you videotape me?

02:12:41.000 And she was like, yeah.

02:12:41.000 And then I got him.

02:12:42.000 She was like, you didn't do anything, so I didn't videotape you.

02:12:43.000 I was like, it wasn't really the point.

02:12:46.000 You're supposed to catch me while I'm under, so I would say this is me under.

02:12:50.000 Yeah.

02:12:50.000 A couple times.

02:12:51.000 She's got her own artistic direction. 1.00

02:12:53.000 She's got her own fucking, you know how they get. 1.00

02:12:54.000 Goddamn nurses. 1.00

02:12:55.000 So, yeah, so there's a nurse watching you. 1.00

02:12:58.000 And then there was, they also use ketamine for pain management.

02:13:03.000 If people have chronic pain that they can't get rid of.

02:13:06.000 Really?

02:13:07.000 Yeah, ketamine's treatment.

02:13:08.000 Why ketamine for that?

02:13:09.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:13:10.000 It's the same fucking thing. 0.99

02:13:12.000 Something's going on, yeah. 0.99

02:13:13.000 The not knowing why it's effective is very strange.

02:13:16.000 Yeah, and the dosage, my understanding is the dosage is way less than people would take on the street. 0.98

02:13:21.000 And the fact that it's way less than people would take on the street, and I was still fucking tripping my balls off... 0.87

02:13:27.000 Is, I don't know what happens on the street. 0.99

02:13:30.000 Well, the street ones, they're taking, they're snorting it.

02:13:32.000 Or they're smoking it.

02:13:34.000 Oh, so it's less, so maybe it gets cut down by the body.

02:13:37.000 Oh, you gotta imagine.

02:13:38.000 It's getting processed by your stomach.

02:13:41.000 You know, it's going through your organs and all that jazz.

02:13:43.000 You're just shooting it right into your blood.

02:13:45.000 You probably need it way less.

02:13:46.000 Yeah.

02:13:48.000 So...

02:13:49.000 So yeah, so...

02:13:50.000 You should look into Lily. 1.00

02:13:52.000 Look into John Lily, because he really was a fucking nut for ketamine. 1.00

02:13:55.000 He became addicted to it. 1.00

02:13:57.000 Oh, that's interesting.

02:13:57.000 Yeah.

02:13:58.000 Well, he apparently was just...

02:14:00.000 I can't imagine getting addicted to it, because it's pretty...

02:14:03.000 I know another guy who got addicted to it.

02:14:05.000 Like, it's a day.

02:14:07.000 Well, a guy who was into it as a club drug, he got addicted to it, and came out here...

02:14:12.000 A buddy of mine took him out here to rehab.

02:14:15.000 He was a fighter.

02:14:16.000 There's a place in Thousand Oaks.

02:14:18.000 It's a rehab place that specializes or did specialize in ketamine.

02:14:27.000 He wound up dying from it.

02:14:30.000 He died.

02:14:31.000 From withdrawal or overdose?

02:14:32.000 From drug overdose, whatever kind of drug.

02:14:34.000 Who knows if it was ketamine or a bunch of other things.

02:14:37.000 Or a combo, yeah.

02:14:38.000 With ketamine, but he had a real ketamine problem.

02:14:41.000 So ketamine, like, recreationally does carry with it.

02:14:43.000 Dude, I wouldn't know to...

02:14:45.000 I wouldn't... 0.99

02:14:45.000 It's like, you can't fucking trip. 0.99

02:14:48.000 I wouldn't want to... 0.99

02:14:49.000 It's like, would you want to do shrooms every day?

02:14:51.000 Some people would, but it's like everything else.

02:14:54.000 Like, you know, should you be able to get a tattoo?

02:14:56.000 Yeah, of course.

02:14:57.000 Some people want to tattoo every part of their body, including their eyeballs.

02:15:00.000 Okay. 0.96

02:15:01.000 Well, that's not me, but as long as I can say I want to have a sleeve, I can't stop some guy from turning his eyeballs into Toad from the X-Men or whatever the fuck he's doing. 0.92

02:15:11.000 What was that guy's name? 0.79

02:15:12.000 Wasn't Toad, right?

02:15:13.000 Something like that?

02:15:14.000 Frog? 0.99

02:15:15.000 The fuck's his name? 1.00

02:15:16.000 Wolverine? 1.00

02:15:17.000 No, the froggy guy.

02:15:19.000 I don't think there was a frog in X-Men.

02:15:21.000 What was he? 0.99

02:15:21.000 The guy with the fucking tail? 0.99

02:15:23.000 Nightcrawler? 1.00

02:15:24.000 No, there was Nightcrawler and there was another guy that was like a toad.

02:15:28.000 Whatever. 0.66

02:15:29.000 You know what I'm saying. 0.99

02:15:30.000 You know what the fuck I'm talking about. 1.00

02:15:31.000 Big, crazy, West Borland-looking black eyes. 1.00

02:15:33.000 I would have no interest in doing that. 0.88

02:15:35.000 I would like to do it as little...

02:15:37.000 Is that a different one?

02:15:38.000 What is that one?

02:15:40.000 That's a different one.

02:15:42.000 So that's not the frog?

02:15:45.000 That's not the one I was talking about. 0.99

02:15:46.000 Well, who the fuck is that? 0.99

02:15:48.000 That's the frog. 1.00

02:15:49.000 I was talking about the...

02:15:50.000 Oh, you're talking about somebody else.

02:15:52.000 The other guy who's up there.

02:15:53.000 The other guy is the guy with that guy right there.

02:15:56.000 The guy to the left of that.

02:15:57.000 The other guy.

02:15:57.000 That guy.

02:15:58.000 Yeah.

02:15:59.000 Oh, alright.

02:16:00.000 Yeah.

02:16:00.000 That's what he looked like.

02:16:01.000 Alright.

02:16:02.000 Whatever.

02:16:03.000 Yeah, I couldn't imagine doing it.

02:16:06.000 It was pleasant, but it wasn't that pleasant. 0.97

02:16:08.000 Because the hangover's not, like, I hate that fucking feeling of coming out of anesthesia. 0.99

02:16:13.000 Like, I had a septum surgery, and the guy didn't take out enough shit, but that's a whole other thing. 0.98

02:16:20.000 But when I came out of it, it was in New York, like, probably eight, nine years ago. 0.99

02:16:26.000 When I came out of it, it was the fucking worst feeling coming out of the anesthesia, and I couldn't breathe. 0.52

02:16:33.000 I was like, can I please get some water? 0.95

02:16:35.000 And she was like, we can't give you water. 0.98

02:16:37.000 It's that thing where they're like, Mr. Brown, it's just like this jarring fucking thing where they're trying to wake you up. 0.95

02:16:42.000 And I was like, please. 0.98

02:16:43.000 And she's like, I can give you an ice cube. 0.95

02:16:45.000 She gave me an ice cube. 0.99

02:16:46.000 I hocked up a fucking blood pellet that was like, well, what if I hadn't... 1.00

02:16:51.000 Asked for that shit. 1.00

02:16:52.000 It was dangerous. 1.00

02:16:54.000 So you had swallowed like a clot?

02:16:57.000 Basically, yeah.

02:16:58.000 Breathed in a clot and got stuck.

02:16:59.000 Or yeah, some blood booger or something. 0.99

02:17:02.000 I put some pictures on Twitter after I got my deviated septum done where I was blowing out these fucking silver dollar-sized hunks of blood and booger. 0.99

02:17:10.000 Did you get enough meat? 0.98

02:17:11.000 The guy didn't take enough meat up.

02:17:13.000 Yeah, my guy was awesome.

02:17:14.000 He did a great job.

02:17:15.000 I almost want to get it again.

02:17:16.000 Get it again.

02:17:17.000 Alright.

02:17:17.000 I love it, man.

02:17:18.000 Now that I've come out of the fucking ketamine, maybe I can double up. 0.99

02:17:21.000 Having nose breathing, being able to breathe through my nose, I didn't get that until I was like 40. At 39, I think I had it done. 0.99

02:17:28.000 I still can't really breathe out of one of my asses. 1.00

02:17:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:17:33.000 For me, it's magic.

02:17:34.000 Can you imagine the kind of shape I'd be in if I had both nostrils?

02:17:37.000 I can't imagine.

02:17:37.000 I'm terrified.

02:17:38.000 Fucking guy. 1.00

02:17:39.000 Fucking guy running marathons and shit. 1.00

02:17:42.000 This guy's got two nostrils. 1.00

02:17:43.000 He knows what to do with them.

02:17:44.000 Well, it's just nice to be able to breathe.

02:17:46.000 Just to be able to breathe out of your nose with your mouth closed.

02:17:49.000 I was a mouth breather most of my life.

02:17:50.000 Yeah.

02:17:51.000 But apparently it's not an easy surgery.

02:17:53.000 And some people, it doesn't work right on them.

02:17:57.000 Does it grow back?

02:17:58.000 That's the other thing I've heard.

02:18:00.000 It grows back to like...

02:18:02.000 But I've heard like it just repeats.

02:18:05.000 No, mine hasn't.

02:18:07.000 Okay.

02:18:07.000 How long ago was it?

02:18:08.000 Mine's been seven years.

02:18:09.000 It's amazing.

02:18:10.000 Yeah.

02:18:10.000 They trim your turbinates, I think they're called.

02:18:13.000 Those big bones in there.

02:18:14.000 And they also cut out a lot of calcified blood on me.

02:18:17.000 Oh, really?

02:18:18.000 Yeah.

02:18:18.000 Mine was all...

02:18:21.000 Like they there was like an x-ray the guy's like I don't think you need anything and then he showed he did like the x-ray and It there was so much like cartilage or whatever.

02:18:29.000 It was totally it was like it was like cinnamon bund to fit Oh God, so I guess he took that out, but he didn't take out enough shit They say that there's a large percentage of people that deal with block septums that this is super common because your nose is so fragile and You're whacking on a door and all of a sudden it's bent and now you don't breathe right for the rest of your life until you get an operation.

02:18:51.000 I've heard, whether it's true or not, that a lot of it has to do with inbreeding. 0.97

02:18:56.000 I really have. 0.99

02:18:57.000 I've heard that Jewish people and Irish people have fucked up noses from inbreeding. 0.99

02:19:00.000 Really? 0.99

02:19:01.000 Where'd you read that? 0.99

02:19:02.000 I ain't fucking on Reddit, bro. 0.99

02:19:04.000 Where do you think I fucking read it? 0.99

02:19:07.000 Well, you know how fighters get cauliflower ear? 0.99

02:19:09.000 Yeah, which is rough.

02:19:10.000 They get that with their nose as well.

02:19:13.000 You get it with your nose.

02:19:14.000 Inside your nose?

02:19:15.000 Yeah.

02:19:15.000 Got it.

02:19:15.000 The soft tissue inside your nose bleeds and swells and fills with blood, and that blood hardens and calcifies.

02:19:21.000 And there's nothing you can...

02:19:22.000 Gotta get in there and scrape it out.

02:19:24.000 Gotta get an operation.

02:19:25.000 Can they do anything for cauliflower ear?

02:19:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:19:28.000 They cut the ear, they flay it open, and then they scrape out all the calcification.

02:19:33.000 And it's just calcified ear.

02:19:37.000 Yeah, it's just blood that becomes calcified.

02:19:40.000 When blood leaks, like when you have breaks in the blood vessels, apparently, and it's under the surface of the skin, it swells up, like fills up with blood, and then that blood hardens and becomes like calcium.

02:19:53.000 Someone I know was telling me that they woke up with vertigo, and it turned out Because a friend of hers had had it for months, and they go, yeah, it turned out it was just a piece of dust in my inner ear.

02:20:12.000 So basically, if you ever wake up with vertigo, one of the ways you get rid of it is literally like trying to get water out of your head.

02:20:19.000 You're trying to just jar the dust or whatever it is. 0.89

02:20:23.000 Like somersaults fucking laying on your side. 0.99

02:20:25.000 I swear to God, somersaults is one of the cures. 0.99

02:20:29.000 So if anyone wakes up with vertigo, How weird is it that your ears control your balance?

02:20:37.000 Like somehow your ears and your balance are connected.

02:20:39.000 Yeah.

02:20:40.000 And your nose and your taste buds are connected.

02:20:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:20:43.000 What the fuck is going on with the human design? 1.00

02:20:45.000 What about a shit design? 1.00

02:20:46.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 1.00

02:20:46.000 Your balls are on the outside. 1.00

02:20:48.000 Yeah, that's what I've been saying about that no god thing. 0.99

02:20:50.000 And every time you come, you can make a person.

02:20:52.000 Yeah. 0.87

02:20:52.000 It's ridiculous. 0.87

02:20:53.000 It's too wild. 0.99

02:20:54.000 It's too ridiculous. 0.98

02:20:55.000 It's a trick. 0.99

02:20:56.000 It tricked us. 1.00

02:20:57.000 The fucks. 1.00

02:20:58.000 Yeah, so... 1.00

02:20:59.000 Goddamn tricks. 1.00

02:21:01.000 Goddamn tricks. 1.00

02:21:02.000 So, look man, I'm happy to hear that, you know, this is really working for you. 0.99

02:21:07.000 Yeah, I'm still not, I think I'm still not hoping that I have maybe 30 more percent upside.

02:21:15.000 To go?

02:21:16.000 More room?

02:21:17.000 I think with the SSRI stuff, like once that completely dissipates, yeah.

02:21:22.000 But I'm like, it's more enjoyable from the POV than it was.

02:21:29.000 Would you recommend this to other people?

02:21:32.000 Do you recommend this to other people?

02:21:33.000 Yeah, I wouldn't, you know, recommending a medical treatment, it's personal, but if you feel like... 0.95

02:21:39.000 All I can tell you is I tried a bunch of shit, and the reason they do ketamine... 0.72

02:21:44.000 There's another one called TMS, which is the magnetic one. 0.99

02:21:47.000 There's a guy in Chicago who does both at the same time. 0.99

02:21:49.000 Jesus Christ, this guy's a mad man. 1.00

02:21:51.000 What the fuck's he trying to do? 1.00

02:21:52.000 Make a Superman? 1.00

02:21:55.000 Come out of it, you're psychic.

02:21:56.000 Yeah, so you're the doctor.

02:21:59.000 So you... 1.00

02:22:01.000 Yeah, there's a bunch of shit. 1.00

02:22:04.000 And it's like, if you're just sick of it... 1.00

02:22:07.000 I was just sick enough of it that I was like, I don't name the price, name the hardship.

02:22:13.000 Because there's nothing, I'm just sick of it.

02:22:16.000 Well, you know, kudos to you for keeping, keep searching.

02:22:19.000 And TMS, the transcranial magnetic stimulation, is covered by some insurance.

02:22:26.000 With magnets?

02:22:27.000 Yes.

02:22:27.000 On your head?

02:22:28.000 Yes.

02:22:28.000 And they don't know how it works.

02:22:30.000 But they got it.

02:22:31.000 And I was on a show the other night, by the way.

02:22:34.000 It was like a science show, science slash comedy show.

02:22:38.000 Like there were panelists that were scientists, panelists that were comics.

02:22:41.000 A woman on the panel... 1.00

02:22:45.000 She's involved in a magnet thing that increases people's sex drive forever. 1.00

02:22:52.000 Fucking chicks. 1.00

02:22:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:22:54.000 Like, shoot magnets and you're way hornier. 1.00

02:22:58.000 That sounds crazy.

02:23:00.000 But I said, I don't think men need it.

02:23:02.000 Right. 1.00

02:23:03.000 Because the dudes fuck your life up. 0.99

02:23:05.000 So the idea is you give it to women? 0.99

02:23:06.000 Yeah.

02:23:06.000 Like, it's a Spanish fly in a magnet form.

02:23:08.000 Basically, yeah. 0.99

02:23:09.000 So while your chick is asleep, you put a fucking magnet thing in the head and you jazz her up. 1.00

02:23:12.000 You fucking get your magnets out. 1.00

02:23:14.000 And there are people online that were saying they can make it at home. 1.00

02:23:17.000 Not the sex one, but the transcranial one.

02:23:20.000 Well, there's been all sorts of magnetic pulse to ease depression.

02:23:24.000 Look at that.

02:23:25.000 Wow.

02:23:26.000 Yeah, what does it say? 0.99

02:23:37.000 But they use that transcranial stimulation for a lot of different shit. 0.96

02:23:42.000 There was not magnetics, but electric... 0.99

02:23:46.000 They had these electrodes that they were attaching to people's brains that helped them learn shit quicker.

02:23:51.000 There's all sorts of weird little hacks that you can use that help stimulate little areas of the brain that they covered on Radiolab. 0.84

02:23:59.000 There was a Radiolab episode about this woman who went through a sniper school test.

02:24:03.000 I heard that one.

02:24:04.000 You see that one?

02:24:05.000 Yeah.

02:24:05.000 That one was amazing.

02:24:06.000 Listen to that one.

02:24:07.000 That one was amazing because she did it and then she did it the second time. 1.00

02:24:10.000 She's like, everything was in slow motion.

02:24:12.000 It felt like it only took five minutes, and it was 20 minutes later.

02:24:15.000 She basically ate a zone pill.

02:24:17.000 Like, I'm in the zone now.

02:24:20.000 It's amazing.

02:24:21.000 I love this.

02:24:22.000 I love that there's so many people working on all these different ways to improve the way the brain functions, and they're kind of still in this infancy with it. 0.92

02:24:29.000 They're fucking with it and adding pills and jazzing you up. 0.98

02:24:31.000 I'm grateful just for the shit they've done so far. 1.00

02:24:34.000 It's like, fucking thank you. 1.00

02:24:35.000 Even for the pills that didn't work, it's like, fucking at least you're trying. 0.99

02:24:38.000 Yeah, that's really cool. 0.95

02:24:40.000 I've never had a depression issue, I don't think.

02:24:42.000 I mean, I think I might have when I was really young, but I don't have it.

02:24:46.000 I definitely don't have it now, but I sympathize with it, and I know a lot of people have had it, and they've come back, and they're much better.

02:24:55.000 You know, Irish fear is one that I always point to.

02:24:58.000 Ari was severely depressed at one point in time.

02:25:00.000 And now he's just amazing. 1.00

02:25:02.000 He's the happiest fucker I know. 1.00

02:25:04.000 From terms, you think? 1.00

02:25:05.000 Had a lot to do with it.

02:25:07.000 Success had a lot to do with it.

02:25:08.000 Ari's really successful now. 0.99

02:25:09.000 And he doesn't feel like he's on the outside anymore.

02:25:12.000 He's not...

02:25:13.000 He felt like I think for a while like that he wasn't being recognized he was being recognized by us You know like all of our friends and like crowds would laugh at him But the industry wasn't taking him seriously or he wasn't connecting yet.

02:25:24.000 I had another brain thing over two days. 0.98

02:25:27.000 I think it was earlier this week Where one day I was like fucking no one cares about you and the next day I like it was a professional gripe where I'm like all that shit and then the next day I had the same thought, 0.99

02:25:42.000 and then it was followed by like, well then fight! 0.99

02:25:46.000 You know what I mean?

02:25:46.000 Like, fight it!

02:25:47.000 You gotta fight! 0.98

02:25:47.000 Yeah, like, yeah, it was like, then fucking do something about it! 0.98

02:25:50.000 Whereas the day before, I was just like, hopeless. 0.97

02:25:52.000 Like, that's the thing, is like, one of the depression things is like, learned helplessness.

02:25:57.000 They think that was one of the things that like, that was a behavioral thing.

02:26:01.000 Where it's like you have to, like when mice couldn't, when they realized they couldn't get out of a box, they just stopped trying.

02:26:09.000 But then there were certain mice that they gave, I think a chemical to that would keep, that would like just fight, fight, fight, fight until they died.

02:26:16.000 But that was the thing of like, okay, like I wasn't getting that a month ago.

02:26:21.000 That learned victim mentality, that's a groove that's like carved in people and some people it's become so prominent that they just automatically drop right into that and then they're a victim.

02:26:34.000 And they search for that and then they use it for arguments.

02:26:38.000 They also use it in arguments, like they become a victim in the argument.

02:26:41.000 It's super common and it's so self-defeating but it's so a normal part of like really weak thinking. 0.99

02:26:49.000 Yeah, but having said that, some of weak thinking is as chemical a problem as fucking diabetes. 0.99

02:26:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:26:59.000 You know what I mean?

02:26:59.000 Exactly.

02:27:00.000 And also, not everybody has the same exact fucking childhood and growing up.

02:27:05.000 Experiences so your your formative experiences that you're having with its shaping your personality What giant percentage of them are completely out of your control? 1.00

02:27:13.000 Yeah, and how arrogant is it to assume that everybody had the experiences that you had so you've gotten through them Yeah, everybody else Henry Rollins needs to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and not fucking shoot themselves like Robin Williams that pussy fucking pussy Yeah, I mean that's the crazy. 0.99

02:27:27.000 Well that's like when people say it's like a a Depression is like a strength thing. 0.99

02:27:33.000 If you're talking about mental fortitude, I've got a pretty good track record of shit I've done. 0.98

02:27:41.000 Same with Robin Williams. 0.99

02:27:42.000 Fucking not easy what he's done. 0.99

02:27:45.000 Fucking write however many hours of stand-up he stole. 0.99

02:27:50.000 No, but to write a ton of stand-up to be that good an actor, to be just... 1.00

02:27:53.000 His recall was fucking amazing. 0.97

02:27:55.000 Like, he's got a good brain, and he's not like a weak guy. 0.99

02:27:58.000 Well, it's good at some things, at least.

02:28:00.000 You know, Mark Gordon, who's a good friend of mine who's a doctor, he's an expert in...

02:28:05.000 Traumatic brain injury and recovery from traumatic pain injury.

02:28:08.000 Yeah, and one of the things that he talked about he actually wrote a paper about this about people that have gone through Very significant operations where they've been under anesthesia for long periods of time and had like open heart surgery that type of shit There's a large percentage of them that experience some pretty significant depression after it's over and And they think it has to do with hormonal imbalances that occur after these traumatic...

02:28:33.000 I've heard that, yeah.

02:28:34.000 But some people have like a kind of...

02:28:36.000 It seems like Letterman had the opposite.

02:28:39.000 Like, he had heart surgery and was like a new man. 0.99

02:28:41.000 He was just appreciative and shit like that. 0.98

02:28:43.000 Well, that's true, too. 0.98

02:28:44.000 You know, some people, they go through these near-death experiences and it wakes them up.

02:28:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:28:48.000 Like, they realize, hey, asshole, this is almost over. 1.00

02:28:50.000 Maybe it's time to be nice to people. 0.99

02:28:52.000 Yeah.

02:28:52.000 Maybe appreciate.

02:28:53.000 Smell the flowers. 1.00

02:28:54.000 You're fucking David Letterman, dude. 1.00

02:28:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:28:55.000 Go out and hug some folks, you know? 1.00

02:28:57.000 Yeah, that's...

02:28:58.000 He started taking antidepressants.

02:29:00.000 Did he really?

02:29:00.000 Yeah, it was on Alec Baldwin's podcast.

02:29:02.000 He talked about it.

02:29:03.000 Alec Baldwin has a podcast?

02:29:05.000 Alec Baldwin, he had a podcast.

02:29:06.000 I don't know if it came back.

02:29:08.000 That guy's got golden pipes, first of all.

02:29:11.000 The way he talks.

02:29:12.000 Is that what you're saying?

02:29:14.000 This is Alec Baldwin.

02:29:15.000 It's a joy to listen to that podcast.

02:29:18.000 That's an easy hour right there.

02:29:19.000 But his ego would keep me from enjoying a lot of it.

02:29:23.000 Don't pay attention to that part. 1.00

02:29:24.000 You're listening to fucking golden pipes. 1.00

02:29:26.000 I'll take an ego with pipes like that. 1.00

02:29:28.000 What if you were paparazzi?

02:29:30.000 Would you hold a grudge?

02:29:30.000 Yeah, I think that's what made him...

02:29:32.000 It was on a public radio station in New York, and they were like, you can't be saying faggot and all that stuff. 0.99

02:29:37.000 Like, sorry, man. 0.99

02:29:38.000 Can't say it.

02:29:39.000 Can't do it.

02:29:41.000 But yeah, so he was talking about it on Alex's podcast, and it was like, he went on them shortly after that.

02:29:51.000 I think he had shingles, too.

02:29:52.000 And he was just miserable.

02:29:55.000 And they were like, go on it.

02:29:56.000 And he's like, really?

02:29:57.000 And he said, like, it's, I don't know what the analogy was, but he's like, it was just like, it was like, I had clumpy hair that I couldn't get a comb through, and now I could get the comb through it or something.

02:30:05.000 I don't remember what the, but something similar to that.

02:30:07.000 But he's kind of chubby, and he doesn't look like he exercises, and I bet he doesn't eat right.

02:30:11.000 Letterman?

02:30:12.000 No.

02:30:12.000 Oh, no, I'm talking about Letterman.

02:30:13.000 I thought you were talking about Al Baldwin.

02:30:14.000 No, Letterman.

02:30:15.000 Letterman talked about it on Alex's podcast.

02:30:17.000 Oh, Al Baldwin's not on antidepressants.

02:30:19.000 No, he's on podcasts.

02:30:20.000 Oh, okay.

02:30:21.000 Well, Letterman also, this is post-open-heart surgery?

02:30:25.000 Yeah.

02:30:25.000 That makes sense.

02:30:26.000 I'd heard stories about him where he was, you know, I'd hear stories where he wouldn't be happy with the monologue and he'd just be banging his head against the wall.

02:30:33.000 Yeah, I heard that too.

02:30:34.000 I heard that from my friend who's his assistant.

02:30:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:30:37.000 He fucking hated everything he did. 0.99

02:30:39.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:30:39.000 And that's one of the reasons why he was the best. 0.98

02:30:41.000 Yeah.

02:30:41.000 It's just the way it is.

02:30:42.000 Yeah.

02:30:43.000 He would, yeah.

02:30:44.000 There's a story in that late night book, The Late Shift, that I think it was in that book, but Peter LaSalle had a big house in Malibu.

02:30:54.000 Who's Peter LaSalle?

02:30:55.000 He was the exec producer of The Tonight Show and like an exec producer on Late Night with David Letterman and then he became one on the new one too.

02:31:03.000 So he was sort of like Letterman's go-between for Johnny.

02:31:08.000 And he had a beautiful...

02:31:10.000 And Letterman was like, man, I could never have a house like this.

02:31:12.000 And he goes, you make ten times the money I make.

02:31:15.000 Like, you could totally, and he's like, really?

02:31:17.000 Like, it just never occurred to him that things were good, and he could do well.

02:31:25.000 Another thing, I'm more apt to cry now as well.

02:31:28.000 In a good way.

02:31:29.000 Not like, like I saw Inside Out and cried.

02:31:33.000 Aww.

02:31:33.000 Which isn't like a good, yeah, sweet.

02:31:35.000 But, uh, but like...

02:31:37.000 So you feel more?

02:31:39.000 Yeah.

02:31:39.000 Yes.

02:31:40.000 Wow.

02:31:41.000 Yeah.

02:31:42.000 So far.

02:31:43.000 I'm happy for you, dude. 1.00

02:31:44.000 Or you get addicted and die. 0.90

02:31:45.000 I think it's awesome.

02:31:46.000 I'm happy for you.

02:31:47.000 Yeah, I'm happy for myself.

02:31:47.000 And I appreciate you coming on here and talking about it.

02:31:49.000 Well, no, yeah, I, cause it's fucking, cause the thing with therapy that it's very, first of all, people don't know it's very hard to find a good therapist. 0.94

02:31:57.000 Like, people are too quick to go, like, yeah, they're fine. 0.96

02:31:59.000 You gotta shop around, which people don't realize, and with antidepressants you gotta shop around. 0.99

02:32:03.000 And if none of them work, keep looking for other shit. 0.95

02:32:06.000 Like, don't just go, I can't do it. 0.99

02:32:09.000 Right.

02:32:11.000 So, yeah.

02:32:12.000 But I look forward to the rest of my life, Joe.

02:32:15.000 I look forward to hanging out with you, Neil Brennan. 1.00

02:32:17.000 You're a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:32:18.000 Thanks, buddy. 1.00

02:32:19.000 I appreciate it, man.

02:32:19.000 You too.

02:32:20.000 I appreciate you coming on.

02:32:20.000 I appreciate you talking about this.

02:32:22.000 It takes a lot of courage.

02:32:23.000 Oh, yeah.

02:32:23.000 No problem.

02:32:24.000 Neil motherfucking Brennan. 0.99

02:32:25.000 Follow him on Twitter and Instagram. 0.99

02:32:29.000 Any website?

02:32:30.000 You got a website?

02:32:32.000 NeilBrennan.com.

02:32:32.000 I don't know what's going on there.

02:32:34.000 It's filled with like raccoons and shit at this point. 0.99

02:32:36.000 Nobody uses websites anymore. 1.00

02:32:37.000 Websites are all like social media.

02:32:39.000 Social media is too effective. 1.00

02:32:41.000 Alright, fuckers. 0.99

02:32:43.000 We'll be back with podcast number 666 on Monday. 0.99

02:32:47.000 And who's the guest?

02:32:49.000 Duncan Trussell, of course.

02:32:51.000 Pray Satan or Allah or whoever you like. 1.00

02:32:53.000 Alright, love you fuckers. 1.00

02:32:55.000 See you soon. 1.00

02:32:56.000 Bye-bye.

02:32:56.000 Big kiss.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 25, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #665 - Neal Brennan

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