The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #679 - Barry Crimmins & Bobcat Goldthwait

00:00:00.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, Bobcat Goldthwait, better known as Bob.

00:00:03.000 Bob's here.

00:00:04.000 And Barry Crimmins, thank you very much for coming.

00:00:06.000 I really, really appreciate it.

00:00:07.000 Hey, Joe, it's great to be here.

00:00:08.000 Where are the drugs?

00:00:09.000 We got a lot of stuff.

00:00:10.000 But I'm mostly a pot guy, so if you want that, we got that.

00:00:13.000 But we got plenty of alcohol.

00:00:15.000 I know you enjoy that, sir.

00:00:17.000 When I was a kid, when I first started doing stand-up, You would go on stage and you would pull a Budweiser out of your blazer.

00:00:24.000 That was part of your jazz.

00:00:27.000 That was the old open where I'd walk out smoking a cigarette and then pull a beer out and take a big chug of it and say, I'm kind of a health nut.

00:00:34.000 That was the open.

00:00:35.000 You know, it was a very fortuitous, just amazing situation to be starting out in stand-up in 1988 in Boston.

00:00:47.000 It was such an incredible spot to be in.

00:00:49.000 Just total dumb luck where I decided to do an open mic night. 0.89

00:00:53.000 Dumb luck got me there.

00:00:55.000 Yeah, Dumla got you there, but for folks who don't know, you were one of the reasons why Boston became what it was.

00:01:04.000 And you and the community that you sort of established at the Ding Ho was the legendary community. 0.90

00:01:10.000 When I came along, it was already gone, right?

00:01:12.000 When did it end?

00:01:14.000 I think around 83, 84, something like that.

00:01:18.000 And then I went to Stitches and tried to maintain that.

00:01:20.000 But then, you know, I mainly became a comedy producer to get stage time and knew other comics needed stage time and also knew comics needed to be treated like someone when they walked into a joint house. 0.99

00:01:32.000 Because I'd been around the country and been treated like shit. 0.99

00:01:34.000 You stand in line. 0.99

00:01:35.000 You have 12 hours since you got in line and you get on for three minutes and then they tell you, you can't come back for three weeks.

00:01:41.000 And it's like, well, I fucking hitchhiked here and, you know, camping out to do comedy.

00:01:47.000 And now I can come back in three weeks. 0.96

00:01:49.000 Thanks. 1.00

00:01:50.000 And it's some gruff shithead with a clipboard who's nasty. 0.98

00:01:53.000 So anybody that walked in the ding, I tried to make sure they were treated well and given a fair chance. 0.98

00:01:57.000 And the thoughts that when we put our shows together, people who...

00:02:02.000 You feel like they're somebody, you're going to act like they're somebody and they're going to do a good job.

00:02:05.000 I think the proof is in the remarkable amount of great talent that came out of there.

00:02:12.000 Phenomenal amount.

00:02:13.000 I mean, it spawned.

00:02:17.000 No, just naming the open mic comedians.

00:02:20.000 All the greats.

00:02:21.000 Do you still remember?

00:02:22.000 Lenny the Loser. 0.99

00:02:23.000 Yeah, Lenny the Loser. 0.99

00:02:24.000 Charlie Gollum.

00:02:26.000 Joe Iosa.

00:02:27.000 Like, I owes you a nickel.

00:02:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:29.000 And I remember...

00:02:31.000 He used to pump his arms when he did his act.

00:02:35.000 But he's doing his act, and the crowd was kind of...

00:02:40.000 Joe Iosa.

00:02:41.000 There was this really terrible thing where the crowd...

00:02:44.000 He's probably listening.

00:02:44.000 Well, yeah.

00:02:46.000 I doubt it.

00:02:47.000 So the crowd did this really evil thing one night.

00:02:50.000 Barry's hosting this open mic.

00:02:52.000 I don't know if you remember this.

00:02:53.000 And then they start laughing at him instead of with him.

00:02:57.000 And he thinks he's killing.

00:02:58.000 And the crowd's going, it's very evil and very Dada. 0.90

00:03:01.000 So he's having the set of his life not knowing that they're making fun of him.

00:03:05.000 Barry is upset by this.

00:03:07.000 And he walks out on stage and goes, I know what you're doing.

00:03:11.000 Now just stop it.

00:03:12.000 It's not nice.

00:03:13.000 Well, because I knew that he would keep...

00:03:15.000 And so I was like, Barry, get off the stage!

00:03:19.000 It's because it's the first time.

00:03:21.000 And it gets to the point where Barry's laying on the stage going, all right, John, tell your last joke ever at the ding-ho.

00:03:30.000 Tell your last joke ever.

00:03:33.000 Well, the problem with those kind of sets is when they get those laughs, those guys are going to stay in the business like four extra years just based on that one night.

00:03:41.000 Because that one set.

00:03:42.000 Yeah.

00:03:43.000 Yeah.

00:03:45.000 Yeah.

00:04:03.000 She's on stage, and Joey goes backstage behind the curtain, and when she hits her punchlines, he would open the curtain up, and his pants would be down. 1.00

00:04:10.000 So his dick and balls would be hanging out. 0.99

00:04:14.000 And you know, Joey's 300 pounds, he's got this giant gut, and it's hilarious. 1.00

00:04:18.000 So every time she hits her punchline, he opens the curtain, and she's smashing it. 0.72

00:04:23.000 And as the set goes on, she gets more and more confident.

00:04:26.000 Because she starts to strut a little bit, and she starts to think, finally an audience gets my humor! 1.00

00:04:32.000 And she's fucking killing. 1.00

00:04:34.000 I mean, every time. 1.00

00:04:36.000 And the next time she went on stage, she bombed.

00:04:39.000 And she chastised the audience, telling them that this stuff killed last week. 1.00

00:04:45.000 And we were like, fuck, she'll never know. 0.99

00:04:47.000 Did she ever catch on? 1.00

00:04:48.000 Did anyone ever tell her?

00:04:49.000 I don't believe so.

00:04:50.000 As far as I know, no.

00:04:53.000 And if you told her, she would never believe you anyway.

00:04:55.000 She'd just put it in a folder in the back of her head.

00:04:57.000 Well, that's the thing, you know, that same thing that keeps us going.

00:05:00.000 What is that?

00:05:02.000 And there's folks that never have done well, and they keep going.

00:05:06.000 Well, that was that open mic night thing where people would get the phantom laughs.

00:05:09.000 People would hear phantom laughs.

00:05:11.000 That was pretty good.

00:05:12.000 Well, even to this day, this is the thing that kills me.

00:05:17.000 These kids, you know, they...

00:05:20.000 They find out about you, and they say, oh, thanks for what you did for comedy.

00:05:24.000 Here, I'm going to send you my latest set. 0.97

00:05:25.000 And it's them bombing in front of four people in a fucking pizza shop, and they say, what do you think of this? 0.99

00:05:32.000 I say, I think whatever money you have, use to buy this up and destroy it. 1.00

00:05:38.000 Are you fucking crazy? 1.00

00:05:40.000 This sucks. 1.00

00:05:41.000 And you've immortalized it. 1.00

00:05:45.000 You know, don't put shitty sets on. 0.98

00:05:47.000 You know, and by the way, kids, when you walk on the stage and no one knows who the fuck you are, how about opening with a joke instead of going, hi, how are you? 0.98

00:05:54.000 Like that golden moment when you can fucking take the stage and get somewhere where they're going, like, wow, how did you think of that opening? 0.98

00:06:02.000 How about saying something funny and that's maybe pertinent to where you are that shows you're on the same planet as the audience, but you're the funny guy. 0.93

00:06:09.000 That's why you're walking Just a suggestion. 0.99

00:06:11.000 Well, Boston has a very low tolerance for fucking meandering on stage. 0.98

00:06:17.000 Yeah, you didn't have a grace period as soon as you came out. 0.99

00:06:21.000 I think this is the best place to develop because of that, because you had to come out guns blazing.

00:06:26.000 You would learn everything else afterwards, but you had to get them.

00:06:29.000 And if you lost them, very few people would start bombing in Boston and recover.

00:06:34.000 There was very little recovery.

00:06:37.000 If you got lit on fire in the moments of your...

00:06:40.000 I mean, I would do it for fun sometimes.

00:06:43.000 Just to see, like, let's see what pit we can get out of today.

00:06:46.000 There'd be a cut man in the corner. 0.97

00:06:48.000 I think I did that subconsciously, but it was just shitty planning. 0.88

00:06:52.000 That's what it turned out to be.

00:06:54.000 Yeah, I wasn't like, that was going poorly, and then he really pulled it up.

00:06:59.000 It never happens.

00:07:01.000 Not in Boston.

00:07:02.000 Man, am I enjoying this interview after, you know, two straight weeks of, like, can we get up and talk about yourself all day?

00:07:08.000 Well, also, we were talking, it's, you know, the nature of the movie.

00:07:12.000 It's...

00:07:13.000 Oh, I've done it.

00:07:14.000 I've led us into it.

00:07:15.000 It's all about... 1.00

00:07:15.000 You fucking moron! 1.00

00:07:16.000 Don't worry about it. 1.00

00:07:17.000 We'll be fine.

00:07:18.000 Chipmunk and beers.

00:07:18.000 I can give you an example, so...

00:07:21.000 You know, the movie...

00:07:22.000 It's called Call Me Lucky.

00:07:23.000 Call Me Lucky.

00:07:24.000 I watch it a lot.

00:07:24.000 Oh!

00:07:25.000 Uh-oh.

00:07:27.000 Get him some paper towels, Jim.

00:07:29.000 I'm sorry.

00:07:30.000 No worries.

00:07:30.000 There you go.

00:07:31.000 Sorry.

00:07:31.000 So, yeah.

00:07:32.000 A little reminder of my visit, Joe.

00:07:34.000 Well, it's fresh beer.

00:07:35.000 It's what happens.

00:07:36.000 So, yeah.

00:07:38.000 So, Call Me Lucky.

00:07:39.000 He really doesn't want to talk about it.

00:07:41.000 We don't have to.

00:07:42.000 But we can, and we can get to it eventually.

00:07:44.000 I can tell you examples of what went horribly wrong.

00:07:47.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:47.000 It's like, we're doing those satellite things, and it's like, you're talking to Tate and Teabag in El Paso.

00:07:52.000 Tate and Teabag again?

00:07:54.000 And so, he's like...

00:07:58.000 You know, the movie deals with Barry talking and dealing with and...

00:08:04.000 Surviving.

00:08:05.000 Childhood rapes.

00:08:06.000 Childhood rapes, you know, when he was four. 0.86

00:08:08.000 And you could tell these guys are like, well, we talk about rape, but, you know, we're never serious.

00:08:13.000 You know, it's really creepy. 1.00

00:08:15.000 Fucking idiots. 1.00

00:08:16.000 It was the worst. 1.00

00:08:17.000 Some people are just not, they just, whatever, they can't...

00:08:20.000 They're just not capable.

00:08:21.000 In the morning.

00:08:22.000 Yeah.

00:08:22.000 Yeah, they just can't navigate anything that's complicated or serious or nuanced or really sensitive emotionally.

00:08:30.000 Some people just don't have the capacity.

00:08:32.000 They shouldn't.

00:08:33.000 You know, Ryan Seacrest. 0.99

00:08:34.000 If you're doing a fucking interview with Ryan Seacrest, it's great if you want to tell them what color you like. 0.98

00:08:39.000 What's your favorite color? 0.99

00:08:41.000 Line three.

00:08:42.000 I like red, but sometimes blue.

00:08:46.000 He's perfect for that.

00:08:48.000 I'm just kind of in awe of someone like him with an empire.

00:08:52.000 But I don't know what he does.

00:08:54.000 I'm not even being negative.

00:08:56.000 He found a hum.

00:08:56.000 He found a hum that secretaries tune into.

00:08:59.000 It's like a whistle that dogs can hear.

00:09:01.000 And he hit that hum.

00:09:04.000 It's like a drone.

00:09:06.000 It never goes too high and it never goes too low. 1.00

00:09:08.000 He never says, fuck this world! 1.00

00:09:10.000 What are we doing with that? 1.00

00:09:11.000 Never.

00:09:12.000 There's none of that.

00:09:13.000 Yeah, he's not threatening the old ladies and little girls.

00:09:15.000 I listen to his radio show in awe.

00:09:17.000 Yeah.

00:09:17.000 His radio show's amazing.

00:09:19.000 Really?

00:09:19.000 For all the wrong reasons.

00:09:20.000 I mean, he's not a bad guy, by the way.

00:09:22.000 I've met him, I did his old show.

00:09:24.000 He has to be.

00:09:26.000 If I used to say that, there'd be a comic.

00:09:30.000 People would be like, ah, he's a nice guy.

00:09:31.000 And he'd be like, yeah, he has to be.

00:09:34.000 I'm funny. 1.00

00:09:34.000 I can afford to be an asshole. 1.00

00:09:39.000 But he's got that market covered. 1.00

00:09:41.000 That bland white guy always wears a suit market cornered.

00:09:46.000 He just knows how to nail it. 0.86

00:09:47.000 It doesn't bother me.

00:09:49.000 Because I did God Bless America.

00:09:51.000 People think I hate the American Idol and all that stuff.

00:09:56.000 I never really cared about it.

00:09:58.000 God Bless America.

00:09:59.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:10:00.000 Your movie was fucking awesome. 0.71

00:10:01.000 Oh, thanks, thanks. 1.00

00:10:02.000 And ruthless, and just ridiculous. 0.99

00:10:05.000 I watched it on a plane, and there's one point in time, I had to fucking, like, do this with my earphones, and go, fucking Jesus. 0.99

00:10:12.000 And then go right back in. 0.99

00:10:14.000 Like, literally, wait till this one hits the planes.

00:10:17.000 Yeah, well, I saw it.

00:10:18.000 I saw it last night.

00:10:19.000 I like you, like, someone leaning over, and there's a baby getting shot with a shotgun.

00:10:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:25.000 It's a crazy fucking movie. 1.00

00:10:27.000 But you had a point, and you went for it. 1.00

00:10:31.000 I like to say it's a violent movie about kindness.

00:10:35.000 It really is.

00:10:36.000 I mean, that's all that Joel's character wants, is people to act right.

00:10:39.000 Right, yeah.

00:10:40.000 And it's not...

00:10:40.000 I don't even agree with...

00:10:42.000 I agree with about 90% of the things that he's mad about, but, you know, because that clearly wouldn't work, it's not a good plan.

00:10:49.000 Yeah.

00:10:51.000 When I came up in Boston, what I was going to say, when I was talking about you getting on stage with the beer bottles, you had this thing that you represented when you would go on stage.

00:11:02.000 This is a guy who stood for something.

00:11:05.000 And a lot of people didn't.

00:11:06.000 And I didn't.

00:11:08.000 We were all just kids.

00:11:09.000 You're finding your way on the stage first.

00:11:11.000 I was one of those kids at first, too.

00:11:13.000 I'm sure.

00:11:14.000 No need to qualify it, but there was a very distinctive...

00:11:20.000 Feeling a very distinct feeling when you got on stage like this is this is a serious person This is a guy who is a stand-up comedian a very funny person But this guy stands for shit the way it's this is this is this is what's right And this is what's wrong and when shit's wrong you pointed out and then you know I followed your career Through the time you did that the it was a cassette at the time I think with Randy Credico and who else was on it with you?

00:11:43.000 Which one? 0.84

00:11:45.000 You guys did a whole political series.

00:11:49.000 Yeah.

00:11:50.000 Oh, Coretico Tingle went.

00:11:51.000 Tingle, right.

00:11:53.000 Was it just you three?

00:11:54.000 No, there were several other people.

00:11:56.000 Bev Mickens, and I'm blanking only because I, you know.

00:12:00.000 Yeah, you've done so much.

00:12:01.000 I'm like, Barry, where are you?

00:12:03.000 I'm going to Nicaragua.

00:12:05.000 It's too common.

00:12:05.000 I'm like, who books that?

00:12:07.000 No.

00:12:20.000 But you know to me and I think you know it was reflective of the way guys were speaking about you in the documentary thus you were an important part of that comedy community because you were a I think comedy communities are only as strong as the strongest link.

00:12:39.000 You could say they're only as weak as the weakest link, but not really in comedy because there's always going to be open micers.

00:12:44.000 Essentially, there's a weird thing like you're not a comic until you're getting paid, but they're all comics.

00:12:50.000 We all were open micers and aspiring, whatever distinction you want to put in the beginning of it.

00:12:57.000 But the strongest member of the community is really where the community lies.

00:13:02.000 And that's where the standards are set.

00:13:05.000 And so you were a very, very important guy to me when I was coming up.

00:13:10.000 Joe, that means a lot.

00:13:10.000 It means a lot to me.

00:13:12.000 I wasn't...

00:13:15.000 I mean, those thoughts didn't really crystallize.

00:13:18.000 I was just trying to do what was right and I was trying to do what I wanted to be in the situation that, you know, I wanted to provide the situation that I wanted to be in myself.

00:13:28.000 And I was immediately rewarded for that with who came in and the blossoming of all that talent.

00:13:34.000 It worked.

00:13:34.000 It was great.

00:13:36.000 And we had a really nice run.

00:13:39.000 Sometimes, like, I don't want to...

00:13:40.000 You know, we've done enough Ding Ho reunions. 0.99

00:13:42.000 It's like going to your Little League reunion. 0.98

00:13:43.000 Well, we're a really good team, but we didn't even win the fucking championship, you know? 0.95

00:13:46.000 But it's great seeing all those people now and then and whatever. 0.97

00:13:51.000 But we really...

00:13:53.000 You know, we really did it together.

00:13:56.000 It was just a matter of just providing this sort of one opportunity.

00:13:59.000 And then, I did the same thing I wanted everybody else to do.

00:14:02.000 I developed at what I was good at.

00:14:04.000 What I was good at was talking about what was going on.

00:14:07.000 What was your first time meeting him?

00:14:08.000 Were you nervous?

00:14:10.000 I'd never met him.

00:14:11.000 Did you see him or did you hear about him?

00:14:13.000 I see him. 0.99

00:14:13.000 I got the fuck out of the way. 0.99

00:14:14.000 I didn't want him to see my ass. 1.00

00:14:17.000 I never met you. 0.99

00:14:19.000 Maybe, hi, what's up?

00:14:21.000 Joe, I knew you, and I knew what you were doing, and I liked you.

00:14:24.000 Thank you very much.

00:14:26.000 It never ended.

00:14:27.000 I'm on your show, and I know I get to tell the truth here.

00:14:31.000 I knew what you were doing, and I saw the spark there, and then I heard what else you were doing.

00:14:35.000 Oh.

00:14:37.000 Now Joe's found... 1.00

00:14:38.000 And you know exactly what I'm talking about because you fucking do it, brother. 1.00

00:14:42.000 You do it. 0.99

00:14:43.000 You found what you're supposed to be talking about.

00:14:45.000 You found what you're supposed to be illuminating people about.

00:14:47.000 And then you found a way to become tremendous at it.

00:14:51.000 And I couldn't be happier that I played a little role in helping to create stage time in a scene somewhere where somebody like you came out of.

00:14:59.000 So thanks, man.

00:15:00.000 You did me right.

00:15:01.000 Thank you.

00:15:01.000 You definitely did.

00:15:02.000 But that fear you were talking about never went away. 0.99

00:15:07.000 I'd have an HBO special, and the phone would be ringing, and I'd go, that's fucking Grimmins. 0.89

00:15:13.000 You would, but you would actually say, you would go, hey, you made a really good point here. 0.99

00:15:17.000 Why the fuck are you picking on Bruce Willis? 0.99

00:15:19.000 He's just an actor. 0.99

00:15:21.000 And we'd just go down the line, and I'd go, okay.

00:15:24.000 It'd be back and forth.

00:15:26.000 Well, I felt that last night when you came up to me after my set.

00:15:29.000 I was like, thank God I didn't know he was in the room when I was up there.

00:15:31.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:15:35.000 Right when I got off stage, I was like...

00:15:37.000 I dodged that bullet.

00:15:38.000 Every movie I make, too, I'm like, oh, I hope he likes it.

00:15:40.000 Oh, man.

00:15:41.000 I really like the new one.

00:15:45.000 Now, when did you know...

00:15:48.000 When did you find out about his...

00:15:50.000 By the way, did you see...

00:15:51.000 We're doing this live on the air.

00:15:52.000 Did you see the New Yorker piece today? 1.00

00:15:55.000 Holy fucking shit, is it a Valentine? 1.00

00:15:57.000 The New Yorker, and not a tiny piece. 1.00

00:16:00.000 I'm thinking if you get a little blurb in the New Yorker, you're doing it.

00:16:02.000 Anyway, so...

00:16:03.000 I'm in a pretty good mood.

00:16:04.000 I just wish I had my kettle drum with me so I could play it.

00:16:09.000 New Yorker!

00:16:13.000 He wants a kettle drum.

00:16:15.000 That's nice.

00:16:15.000 Like Henny Youngman.

00:16:17.000 Oh, okay.

00:16:19.000 Good evening.

00:16:20.000 I was thinking like those Jamaican guys, but that's like a drum. 1.00

00:16:24.000 That would be a nice surprise for me.

00:16:30.000 Someone could surprise me with the...

00:16:33.000 It's not going to happen.

00:16:34.000 Maybe.

00:16:36.000 Maybe.

00:16:36.000 We never know.

00:16:37.000 Depending on if we do well in a word season.

00:16:39.000 So you were saying, when did you find out about the traumatic history?

00:16:44.000 When did you find out about the childhood rape, which was a major part of it?

00:16:47.000 You didn't reveal it until about an hour into the film.

00:16:51.000 The idea isn't like a spoiler alert thing or anything.

00:16:55.000 I wanted people to...

00:16:56.000 No one will be allowed out of the theater at the 30-minute point.

00:16:59.000 Yeah, you know, because tonally I give clues that something's coming.

00:17:03.000 Yeah.

00:17:04.000 And, you know, he talks about some things.

00:17:06.000 So you can tell, and other people do.

00:17:07.000 But I, you know, I get a little weird if people think that I was trying to manipulate him.

00:17:13.000 I wanted people to meet him, know who he was, so they could empathize with him.

00:17:16.000 I wouldn't say manipulate.

00:17:17.000 I would say you set it up beautifully.

00:17:19.000 Oh, thanks.

00:17:20.000 It was great.

00:17:20.000 It was very compelling, captivating.

00:17:23.000 But, you know, knowing Barry and knowing about the story because of you telling me about it, I had no idea.

00:17:30.000 No one had any idea.

00:17:31.000 Well, he told me before he went to the Judiciary Senate hearing.

00:17:37.000 Well, I told you before I went public at all.

00:17:40.000 Yeah.

00:17:40.000 And, yeah, before you did it, talked about it on stage.

00:17:44.000 But he said that he found My reaction was, what was it like? 0.99

00:17:51.000 He was like, alright, because I said, you know, like, oh, there's a reason you're such a dick. 0.89

00:17:56.000 I was like, I've been betting on this all along, because he's going, like, everyone's going, like, Crimin is an alcoholic, and he could tell I would just use it as coolant, you know, it wasn't like I could turn up missing for days, it was just like, you know. 0.98

00:18:11.000 I really did, though.

00:18:12.000 I was running hot, man.

00:18:13.000 I was running real hot.

00:18:14.000 I was always going, no, man, he doesn't have the werewolf.

00:18:18.000 His personality doesn't change.

00:18:21.000 He stops for long periods.

00:18:25.000 Twain said, when the others drink, I like to help.

00:18:28.000 So there was this anger and pain in my friend that I knew for all these years, and when he told me, it wasn't like, I just was like, oh.

00:18:37.000 It was an awful relief, I would say, would be your response.

00:18:41.000 Yeah, I was like, oh.

00:18:43.000 Inside, I'm like, and then I went into panic mode.

00:18:45.000 I go, well, what do I do now?

00:18:46.000 And then I thought, oh, maybe I won't talk.

00:18:51.000 And let him talk.

00:18:52.000 And that's a point that comes out in the film, and People, I would be telling friends about it, and they would be saying to me, well, have you talked to anyone about this? 0.96

00:19:03.000 Yeah, I fucking thought I was talking to you, man.

00:19:05.000 You know, I guess not. 0.99

00:19:07.000 Oh, I gotta go pay somebody $200 to be put on pharmaceutical dry ice until I stop talking about it.

00:19:12.000 That's your plan, right? 0.99

00:19:14.000 Well, listen, shithead, I'm gonna keep talking about it. 1.00

00:19:15.000 Not to you. 1.00

00:19:16.000 Goodbye.

00:19:16.000 You know, thank you for helping me edit my friends list.

00:19:19.000 This guy listened.

00:19:22.000 You've been living in upstate New York for how long now?

00:19:25.000 About the last 10 to...

00:19:28.000 No, for this millennium.

00:19:30.000 What made you decide to go up there?

00:19:32.000 You know what?

00:19:32.000 It's the internet.

00:19:34.000 I can do what I want.

00:19:37.000 And if I have to go work up here somewhere, I've got to go to an airport.

00:19:40.000 So I go to Rochester or Ithaca or Elmira or wherever.

00:19:45.000 But I get to sit there.

00:19:46.000 It's so peaceful.

00:19:47.000 So I hope you come visit me, Joe.

00:19:48.000 I would love to. 0.95

00:19:49.000 Because it's really fucking tremendous. 0.95

00:19:50.000 How far away is it from New York City? 0.98

00:19:52.000 About four and a half, five hours.

00:19:54.000 So that's how you do it?

00:19:55.000 You fly in New York?

00:19:56.000 I fly or I drive.

00:19:57.000 I don't mind driving there sometimes because it's sort of You kind of get in game mode and you get out of game mode on the way back.

00:20:04.000 So I like that.

00:20:05.000 But my house is like, I finally have the ideal place to do some acid.

00:20:10.000 Ah, I see.

00:20:11.000 Ah, yeah.

00:20:12.000 If the parents come home, they're me.

00:20:18.000 It's hard to get good acid, I hear. 0.99

00:20:20.000 It's fucking terrible. 1.00

00:20:21.000 It's awful. 1.00

00:20:22.000 Goddamn government. 1.00

00:20:23.000 I mean, you know, for Christ's sake, well, I think they figured out too many people got smart after that sort of came through. 1.00

00:20:31.000 Oh, they certainly did.

00:20:32.000 I mean, the 1970s, the sweeping act, when they made all the psychedelics illegal, they made stuff that wasn't even psychoactive illegal.

00:20:38.000 Yeah.

00:20:38.000 They just tried to make everything illegal.

00:20:39.000 They just didn't want anybody experimenting with anything that's going to make another Timothy Leary.

00:20:43.000 My friend Tim Walco said about cocaine is how I feel, too.

00:20:47.000 It's like...

00:20:48.000 You know, I don't like to do, I don't like to stay up, I don't do coke, I don't like to stay up late and complain about my Little League coach.

00:20:53.000 So, I was never a coke guy, and you know, in Boston it was bad.

00:20:57.000 I wasn't a coke guy, but I used to say to people, if you want to get high, I'll get some acid.

00:21:01.000 You know, and see if we're looking for the dealer at midnight, you know, because I'll reach into my little drug pocket in my jeans and pull out another ten hits if we need them, you know, but we don't, and you won't.

00:21:12.000 The cops wouldn't even know what it was. 0.95

00:21:13.000 But you'll actually get fucking high, you know, and that's the thing. 0.91

00:21:16.000 You're not going to like... 0.76

00:21:17.000 My only acid experience as well was when I was a total mess and I was drinking and taking other drugs at the same time.

00:21:24.000 Right.

00:21:25.000 So then you wake up.

00:21:26.000 Well, I didn't wake up.

00:21:28.000 I just beat the alcohol and coke war off in jail, in the Watertown Jail.

00:21:32.000 Oh, man.

00:21:33.000 And I'm still high.

00:21:35.000 Watertown Mass? 0.98

00:21:35.000 Yeah, still tripping balls. 0.98

00:21:37.000 And I remember, I remember like this, I thought it was the wall or I don't know. 0.94

00:21:43.000 I just saw this thing going, going, he!

00:21:49.000 The three stooges were in the next cell. 0.91

00:21:51.000 Well, that's what it was.

00:21:52.000 Like, I figured it out later on.

00:21:53.000 It was some dude was snoring, but I was convinced it was...

00:21:56.000 Because you were tripping?

00:21:59.000 It could have went on five minutes or an hour.

00:22:02.000 I'm not sure.

00:22:03.000 But I remember looking at this thing on the wall going...

00:22:06.000 Well, psychedelic drugs can definitely make you interpret sounds in a strange way.

00:22:10.000 Yeah.

00:22:10.000 That's why those South American shamans have those songs that they sing while you take ayahuasca.

00:22:15.000 Yeah.

00:22:15.000 The whole idea behind it.

00:22:16.000 I've never taken ayahuasca, but I've done DMT, which is the same thing.

00:22:20.000 It's the active ingredient.

00:22:22.000 And when you do it with those songs, like you see the songs dance.

00:22:26.000 Wow.

00:22:27.000 It's very, very bizarre.

00:22:28.000 It's insane.

00:22:29.000 Have you done that with the songs?

00:22:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:31.000 They're called Icaros, the South American Icaros.

00:22:34.000 I've only done it one experience.

00:22:37.000 We tripped several times during the night because it's only like a 15 minute experience.

00:22:41.000 So we tripped like four or five times during the night to these songs, but they're incredible.

00:22:46.000 And these songs, you know, they're recorded live.

00:22:49.000 As a guy who's been sober for 34 years, I'm listening to this like it's a vacation you took.

00:22:59.000 I'm never gonna go to Bora Bora.

00:23:02.000 Goldthwait said to me last year, I've been sober for 33 years.

00:23:05.000 I think I'm ready to start dating.

00:23:10.000 I think he was wrong.

00:23:14.000 This is the songs.

00:23:16.000 This is all recorded in the jungle while these people are just deep in the trance of the mother.

00:23:26.000 And this guy will sing.

00:23:28.000 This is just him starting it off and whistling.

00:23:31.000 There's a bunch of them.

00:23:32.000 But they're beautiful.

00:23:34.000 I listen to them sometimes when I'm driving in my car and I can almost trip.

00:23:38.000 Because I remember this experience of being on them.

00:23:40.000 Can I get copies of that?

00:23:41.000 Yeah, I'll get you a copy of it for sure.

00:23:43.000 Is that on iTunes?

00:23:44.000 I don't think it is.

00:23:45.000 I bet it's not.

00:23:51.000 Oh man, that's great!

00:23:54.000 I love that guy.

00:23:56.000 You should see it when these geometric patterns are dancing to that sound spinning around you in infinity.

00:24:03.000 It's very, very bizarre.

00:24:05.000 LSD was my other drug of choice.

00:24:07.000 Friends were my drug of choice, but LSD, back in the day, Let's do some more.

00:24:11.000 I almost have something figured out.

00:24:15.000 Let's go in there one more time.

00:24:17.000 And you know what?

00:24:18.000 I never tell this story, but I'm thrilled to tell it to you. 0.82

00:24:21.000 I was the rat-a-dare of LSD. You know who rat-a-dare was?

00:24:24.000 He was the guy who jumped, who parachuted in to put out oil derrick fires.

00:24:30.000 I didn't know who that was.

00:24:31.000 Have you heard that expression?

00:24:32.000 Not Adair.

00:24:33.000 He parachuted in to put out oil fires?

00:24:35.000 Yeah, and he would lead a team and they would go in and they would put out, yeah, look it up, Red Adair, I'm sure you can find it.

00:24:40.000 Oil fires? 0.98

00:24:41.000 Yeah, like an oil well would blow up and you'd go in and it's like, oh the fuck, is it going to go in here and deal with it? 0.99

00:24:46.000 When someone would be bumming out on acid, I would get the call, they're bumming out. 0.98

00:24:50.000 And in those days, in the early 70s, If they bum out, then they could end up going to the doctor, a hospital, or whatever, and then suddenly they're blathering, they'll turn in everybody, and nobody's doing anything.

00:25:03.000 We just all got some acid.

00:25:05.000 One person got the acid, but they weren't a drug dealer. 0.96

00:25:09.000 They were just the obtainer of the acid, you know, but that's who gave it to me, and that person could end up in fucking Attica or something. 0.91

00:25:16.000 So...

00:25:16.000 I would get these calls from people like they're freaking out, and I got this reputation for being good at helping people who are freaking out doing acid, and I would go in and go like, okay, what'd they do?

00:25:25.000 They did these.

00:25:26.000 How many did they do?

00:25:27.000 They split one.

00:25:27.000 Give me two.

00:25:28.000 I've got to get in there quick.

00:25:31.000 And I would get in there, and then I would, like, have them laughing in a while, and, like, I would do stuff like, get me a Temple Orange, just get me one, you know?

00:25:38.000 I'd, like, eat this, wow, isn't it?

00:25:40.000 See?

00:25:41.000 It's okay.

00:25:41.000 You're on a planet that these things grow from trees.

00:25:45.000 It's an amazing place.

00:25:46.000 Put on an album.

00:25:47.000 What do you like?

00:25:48.000 Come on.

00:25:48.000 There's an old Joni Mitchell.

00:25:50.000 See those things?

00:25:51.000 I know what's freaking you out.

00:25:52.000 Those hieroglyphics you think are almost words, but you can't quite read them, and now you're getting frustrated.

00:25:57.000 No, it's just a cool thing.

00:25:58.000 It's like looking at a beautiful Egyptian crypt carving thing or something.

00:26:03.000 Obviously you can't read Egyptian, but you kind of get the point they were making.

00:26:07.000 Don't worry about it.

00:26:08.000 It'll be an hour later, we're all laughing, and the next morning we're at breakfast, and it's cool.

00:26:12.000 But that's when I was the Red Adair of LSD. Is freaking out on acid like freaking out on mushrooms where you're just trying to control it and you get scared of the experience where it's taking you and you try to resist?

00:26:21.000 I think it's probably maybe a little worse.

00:26:25.000 And plus, I mean, you know, there's shitty acid out there sometimes. 0.94

00:26:28.000 Although then it wasn't that shitty. 0.88

00:26:31.000 It's hard to make, right?

00:26:33.000 You've got to get a bunch of stuff and they monitor that stuff.

00:26:36.000 It's very difficult.

00:26:37.000 It was, you know, to me, it was my favorite.

00:26:40.000 I... You know, if I can ever get a hold of it, I'll do it.

00:26:43.000 But Bob calls me in the movie a lifelong LSD enthusiast, like I'm doing it all the time.

00:26:47.000 It's blowing great credibility to Mike.

00:26:51.000 In this age of drug McCarthyism, how many people they've ruined just by the hand.

00:26:56.000 I'm sorry I made you look bad. 1.00

00:26:58.000 Oh, you fucking... 1.00

00:26:59.000 Sorry. 1.00

00:27:02.000 There wasn't a lot of guys doing it in Boston.

00:27:08.000 You were one of the primary acid enthusiasts.

00:27:12.000 By then it was hard to find, but I would do it once in a while.

00:27:18.000 From the 60s it was a big deal.

00:27:19.000 I was at the University of Miami.

00:27:22.000 We literally had an oil drum full of yellow sunshine.

00:27:25.000 Oh my god.

00:27:26.000 Yeah, it was unbelievable.

00:27:27.000 How much is that?

00:27:28.000 An oil drum?

00:27:29.000 But you only need a drop, right?

00:27:31.000 Yeah, there was a lot of them.

00:27:33.000 I mean, we just kind of, someone was in some sort of trouble and they needed somewhere to put it and then they disappeared and we just sort of inherited it and it was like, you know, I don't know.

00:27:44.000 And then everybody just left with like baggies. 0.97

00:27:47.000 They weren't even baggies then, but just like fill up your pockets with ass and go... 0.99

00:27:52.000 Is it break down? 0.99

00:27:54.000 Does it only last for a certain amount of time?

00:27:55.000 Well, I had enough.

00:27:56.000 I had plenty of friends.

00:27:58.000 Jesus Christ!

00:28:01.000 There's things like Grateful Dead concerts where they needed a lot of help, so it was alright. 0.99

00:28:05.000 So, ten years ago you decided, fuck it, I'm going back to where I grew up? 0.98

00:28:09.000 Is that what the deal was? 0.99

00:28:10.000 Basically, I mean, you know, 15 years ago now.

00:28:13.000 But, yeah, I mean, I love the country.

00:28:15.000 You know, I mean, it really...

00:28:17.000 Soothes me.

00:28:18.000 And I finally just sort of noticed, cut myself a break, you know, I've taken enough of a, you know, I've been through enough shit, and it just soothes me to be there with, you know, with a dog, and I just love the terrain, and it's so verdant there. 0.87

00:28:33.000 I mean, I love it out here.

00:28:34.000 It's so great to come here, especially to see my friends like you two doing so great and having succeeded.

00:28:40.000 It's a completely different It's a good thing to come to LA now than it was when I first came to LA and we were all trying to get our foot in the door.

00:28:47.000 But it's really nice.

00:28:50.000 It's serene.

00:28:52.000 And it's a really nice place to sort of rake myself into a pile and my thoughts into a pile and then distribute them and reflect.

00:29:03.000 And come, I want to have something to say, but be perfectly fine for being missing for a week or two at a time.

00:29:09.000 Well, there's not forced input up there.

00:29:12.000 No.

00:29:13.000 That's the beautiful thing about being anywhere where there's very few people.

00:29:16.000 There's just less input.

00:29:17.000 When people come to my house, like a car will drive by when they first get there. 0.97

00:29:20.000 Six hours later, another car will drive by and they go, I don't know where all this fucking traffic's coming from today. 0.93

00:29:25.000 I'm just really sorry, man. 0.75

00:29:26.000 Well, it's actually two dirt roads to get to his house.

00:29:29.000 Must be fun when it snows.

00:29:30.000 And if you go past, there's a young gal with a giant sow on a chain. 1.00

00:29:36.000 Do you know what I'm talking about?

00:29:38.000 She's got a chain. 0.90

00:29:39.000 There's a woman walking her pig. 1.00

00:29:41.000 It probably weighed like 500 pounds.

00:29:43.000 Do you know what I'm talking about? 0.99

00:29:44.000 Yeah, that pig was killed in a horrible accident. 0.98

00:29:47.000 Car accident? 0.99

00:29:48.000 Yeah, the car was basically total.

00:29:51.000 Jesus Christ.

00:29:52.000 We have a joke about how Barry can ruin anything. 0.98

00:29:55.000 I saw a pig.

00:29:56.000 It's dead.

00:29:59.000 Moving on.

00:30:00.000 So when 2000 rolled around, I guess, you decided to just, once the internet started kicking in, you made a conscious choice to try to go somewhere that's a little bit more peaceful?

00:30:08.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:30:09.000 And I heard you talk a little bit about, but have you thought about doing a podcast?

00:30:14.000 I mean, you know, it just seems as if anybody was right for it.

00:30:17.000 Me and Kaz and I are going to, Paul Kozlowski and I are going to do it, and it's going to be called Over to the Podcast, which is the upstate, the defeated tone.

00:30:24.000 Does Paul live up there, too?

00:30:25.000 Yeah, he just moved back.

00:30:26.000 He just come back.

00:30:28.000 Really?

00:30:28.000 Jesus Christ.

00:30:28.000 Yeah, I'll speak to you in an upstate home for like 193 inches of snow last year.

00:30:35.000 I just sat in my house and worked on my alcoholism until I could get that door open again.

00:30:41.000 That's where I... What is Paul doing these days?

00:30:44.000 A lot of art.

00:30:46.000 People buy his art, and then we're trying to get the podcast going, but he's been pretty busy because he's been swamped with art orders, and I've been pretty busy. 0.97

00:30:56.000 After he hit that pig. 0.97

00:30:58.000 That's right. 0.95

00:30:59.000 It was a performance piece.

00:31:01.000 It was a performance piece.

00:31:05.000 Well, yeah, man, you could easily do a podcast up there, and if you ever do, please do let me know, and I'd be happy to promote it, and I would listen to it every week.

00:31:12.000 Thank you, man.

00:31:12.000 I listen to you all the time, and you just...

00:31:16.000 Really, again, to have even helped rake the dirt that you grew out of is terrific.

00:31:25.000 Thank you very much.

00:31:25.000 That's an honor.

00:31:26.000 You certainly did.

00:31:27.000 Like I said, you were the strongest part of that.

00:31:31.000 You and I have had some little Twitter conversations back and forth over the years about the community and what it's like now.

00:31:37.000 Because Boston is...

00:31:39.000 It's making a little bit of a resurgence.

00:31:41.000 I keep hearing that.

00:31:42.000 And Rick Jenkins is trying to do something in that Chinese restaurant.

00:31:45.000 It's kind of ironic that it all started out at the Ding Ho. 0.80

00:31:47.000 That it goes back.

00:31:49.000 It's definitely, there's some sort of connection between comedy and MSG. It's just, you can't deny it.

00:31:55.000 But back in those days, the MSG would make you pay the comics.

00:31:59.000 Ooh.

00:32:01.000 I don't get it.

00:32:03.000 Well, we paid it to Ding Ho. 0.94

00:32:05.000 Oh, I get it.

00:32:07.000 Oh, Rick doesn't pay people?

00:32:08.000 No, I don't think he makes enough money, too.

00:32:09.000 I understand that.

00:32:11.000 Well, they don't advertise, right?

00:32:12.000 Isn't that part of his fun thing?

00:32:15.000 It doesn't let people know there's a show going on.

00:32:17.000 It's like a poker game.

00:32:18.000 Let them figure it out.

00:32:19.000 Yeah, if you're invited, it's okay.

00:32:21.000 But no, he's done a great job.

00:32:23.000 He's been there longer than any.

00:32:25.000 He's probably the longest-running comedy club in Boston history.

00:32:28.000 We shot some of the movie there.

00:32:30.000 Yeah, I saw.

00:32:31.000 The stuff with Barry now.

00:32:33.000 Because, you know, I didn't want to do that.

00:32:35.000 I didn't want to do that thing in documentaries where they have the triumphant return, because that's always...

00:32:42.000 It feels very cooked.

00:32:43.000 But I just wanted to show that Barry was alive and still relevant, and that's why.

00:32:48.000 And it ended up being great.

00:32:50.000 It was Bradley Stonese for the DP who suggested it.

00:32:52.000 And it ended up really good because Barry ended up narrating a good portion of the movie from the stage, you know?

00:32:57.000 Like when he says, you know, we went back, we went to that basement where...

00:33:01.000 Where I was raped as a kid, you know, that was not something that was cooked.

00:33:08.000 It was something that I was going to film the space where these things happened because I thought that would be powerful and I didn't want to do reenactments.

00:33:17.000 Yeah.

00:33:18.000 Yeah, neither did I. You know, what the fuck? 1.00

00:33:23.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:33:24.000 I would have been testifying in front of another committee. 1.00

00:33:26.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:33:27.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

00:33:28.000 Jesus. 1.00

00:33:29.000 Goddamn. 1.00

00:33:30.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:33:31.000 So when we got there, Barry and I, well, before we got there, we had a big argument. 1.00

00:33:37.000 He says, look, I'm going down there.

00:33:40.000 Because I just kind of wanted him to put it in perspective, but I didn't want him to go down in the basement.

00:33:46.000 Because I also was afraid, you know, I was worried for my friend.

00:33:49.000 I've seen him go into shock.

00:33:50.000 I've seen it.

00:33:51.000 I saw it coming on when we were even there.

00:33:53.000 Oh, it came on.

00:33:54.000 Yeah, I mean, but even before you got out of the car, you know, before you got out of the car.

00:33:59.000 But I know how to operate in a state of shock.

00:34:01.000 That's how I did the child pornography investigation, and that's how...

00:34:05.000 You know, they make their own worst enemies.

00:34:07.000 The child pornography investigation was a huge part of that movie.

00:34:10.000 And the fact that you... 0.99

00:34:13.000 I mean, I think if it was going on today, I think AOL would have gotten a lot more fucking trouble. 0.97

00:34:20.000 Yeah, I think it would have been a much, much bigger story. 0.95

00:34:23.000 But it was also...

00:34:25.000 Let's explain what happens. 0.87

00:34:26.000 So Barry discloses that he was raped as a kid on stage during a benefit for children, basically.

00:34:36.000 It was for the Southern Poverty Law Center, but I was speaking up about what happened in Los Angeles, and everyone was knocking. 0.54

00:34:43.000 It was after Rodney King, and everyone was knocking these kids.

00:34:46.000 I'm trying to get rid of this show.

00:34:47.000 I'm not looking at it.

00:34:50.000 And so at that point I just sort of put my whole life together and I just wanted to say, you know, kids come from somewhere, man.

00:34:59.000 These kids, they come from somewhere. 0.96

00:35:02.000 These guys come from a place where right up the street from their squalid condition are some of the richest people in the fucking world. 0.99

00:35:10.000 And they see it and they don't know what to do and guess what? 0.98

00:35:13.000 Oh gee, they want some stuff?

00:35:15.000 What a surprise!

00:35:16.000 So I was speaking up for them, and it was this long rap, and then at the end of it, I said, everybody comes from somewhere.

00:35:23.000 I came from somewhere, and then I told my story.

00:35:26.000 Yeah.

00:35:27.000 And I talked about a disclosure.

00:35:28.000 But he had planned on that that's how the set was going to go, because Sweeney wanted to close, and Barry's like, I don't think you should close.

00:35:38.000 He insisted on it.

00:35:40.000 I went, well, all right.

00:35:41.000 So Barry talks, you have any con?

00:35:44.000 No.

00:35:47.000 I've never said follow that to anybody, but in so many words, I did that night.

00:35:52.000 So while he was looking for it...

00:35:54.000 What's that?

00:35:57.000 You want more, Barry Crimmins?

00:35:59.000 Let's go, let's go.

00:36:03.000 That's a jackhammer and an ambulance.

00:36:05.000 It's Mass Avenue.

00:36:06.000 So when Barry was looking for other survivors, he became aware that AOL was allowing pedophiles to exchange...

00:36:16.000 Child pornography openly in their chat rooms.

00:36:19.000 Not just exchange it, but back then, the more you used, the more you paid.

00:36:24.000 So they were profiting.

00:36:26.000 It wasn't like today, you can get online all day long.

00:36:28.000 Thank you for making that point.

00:36:29.000 So it was a big deal.

00:36:30.000 So it was a lot of money.

00:36:31.000 Millions.

00:36:32.000 Millions.

00:36:33.000 So they're playing it dumb with me because one nut is bothering them and they just, well, thank you for your being a good citizen of the AOL community, but we have to balance in, as Bob noticed, our corporate growth along with First Amendment rights. 0.99

00:36:49.000 Are you fucking kidding me? 0.99

00:36:50.000 These people are exchanging pictures of children being raped. 1.00

00:36:52.000 There's no First Amendment right. 0.99

00:36:53.000 I don't give a fuck about your corporate growth. 1.00

00:36:55.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:36:56.000 Keep it up. 1.00

00:36:57.000 And then right before they asked me to testify, or when I was already invited to testify two days before, AOL contacts me and says, you know, would you like to get together and meet?

00:37:06.000 They were going to come up with the bribe.

00:37:08.000 And I went, you know what?

00:37:09.000 I'm going to see you Tuesday at the hearing or whatever day it was.

00:37:12.000 So what do you think?

00:37:13.000 I would have loved to meet with them or hear you meet with them just to see what their plan was.

00:37:18.000 I wanted to talk to that guy now, but he wouldn't be in the movie, the attorney for AOL. What's he up to now?

00:37:24.000 What's he up to now? 1.00

00:37:25.000 Sucking Satan's dick somewhere? 1.00

00:37:31.000 He's busy. 1.00

00:37:32.000 Okay, listen.

00:37:33.000 He's not an attorney anymore. 1.00

00:37:35.000 Well, maybe stop sucking Satan's dick. 1.00

00:37:38.000 He's running Paramount. 1.00

00:37:45.000 You guys keep talking.

00:37:46.000 I'm going in the man's room.

00:37:47.000 So Barry, after Barry testified, he wrote an article in the Boston Phoenix that I thought, and this was in 95, and I thought it read like a Frank Capra movie.

00:38:01.000 I'll film more of the holes of the story.

00:38:03.000 Who's Frank Capra?

00:38:04.000 Frank Capra, It's a Wonderful Life, Mr. Deeds, all those kind of...

00:38:08.000 So Barry...

00:38:12.000 Basically, he didn't even pose his kids.

00:38:14.000 He just signed on his kids.

00:38:16.000 And that's all it took.

00:38:17.000 And he got all this evidence against these guys.

00:38:19.000 And he basically embarrassed AOL on the floor of the Senate.

00:38:23.000 But he pretended to be a child to get to lure these child guys.

00:38:28.000 Yeah, but it wasn't even that much.

00:38:29.000 It wasn't that much.

00:38:31.000 You know, it wasn't really that much of a bait.

00:38:33.000 It was pretty easy.

00:38:35.000 We're two kids and we're on and our parents don't because he played as if he was a girl and a boy.

00:38:41.000 And it just came pouring in.

00:38:43.000 It wasn't like he was entrapping these guys.

00:38:45.000 They were just pouring in.

00:38:47.000 And he spent almost a year downloading all these things.

00:38:54.000 He lost 100 pounds.

00:38:56.000 Yeah, it's not in the movie, but he had given the evidence over to the feds, and the reason it's not in the movie is that there was arrests that were made directly because of the stuff that Barry had handed over, but the feds weren't interested in being in the movie, I think,

00:39:11.000 because Barry kind of did their job for them.

00:39:17.000 So, where is he?

00:39:21.000 So, he begged me to make the movie.

00:39:25.000 No, so...

00:39:27.000 So I thought, this reads like a Frank Capra movie, and I asked Barry to write a screenplay, but this was right when you just said he had lost 100 pounds, and I was like going, Barry, this article you wrote for The Phoenix is tremendous.

00:39:38.000 I think it's a picture, you know, and...

00:39:40.000 We can make money!

00:39:41.000 And by the way, you have no idea how to write a screenplay.

00:39:44.000 So Barry, what was your motivation, like when you knew that they were trading pornography? 0.95

00:39:51.000 Child pornography. 0.58

00:39:52.000 Child pornography, excuse me. 0.95

00:39:53.000 I don't care about it.

00:39:54.000 And you decided the way to catch them or the way to gather evidence on them was to pose as a child.

00:40:01.000 Well, no, what I did, I needed a reason to be in the room, okay?

00:40:04.000 If I was in the room as an adult, they would...

00:40:07.000 Be suspicious.

00:40:09.000 If I wasn't sending child pornography back to them. 0.63

00:40:11.000 So I needed to be a child. 0.75

00:40:13.000 Right.

00:40:14.000 So then they're going like, look at the fun you could have.

00:40:17.000 That's what they're literally doing and approaching me with.

00:40:19.000 You know, Doug Stano wrote a whole book about it.

00:40:21.000 About baiting.

00:40:23.000 He used to do it all the time.

00:40:24.000 Like back in the old days, he used to call it baiting.

00:40:27.000 And he used to publish it on his website.

00:40:29.000 Baiting child porn people. 0.99

00:40:31.000 Baiting pedophiles. 1.00

00:40:32.000 I gotta meet Doug. 0.94

00:40:33.000 I've never met him.

00:40:34.000 He's the best. 0.97

00:40:34.000 I'd love the fuck out of that dude. 0.97

00:40:36.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:40:37.000 Yeah, I'll fly him in. 1.00

00:40:39.000 You tell me where you're going to be.

00:40:40.000 Let's do it.

00:40:40.000 Okay, great, great.

00:40:42.000 It's a crazy thing that when you were doing this, it's sort of analogous to how people got away with pedophilia and how they got away with child molesting back in the day, because it was something that was almost, it was just pushed aside.

00:40:57.000 The word taboo.

00:40:58.000 Who works in the favor of the perpetrator.

00:41:01.000 That's why we have to break silence.

00:41:04.000 That's why we have to be kind of specific about different terms.

00:41:07.000 Like people say to me, wow, you admitted you were raped. 0.99

00:41:09.000 I didn't fucking admit anything. 1.00

00:41:11.000 I was raped. 1.00

00:41:12.000 Guilty people rape. 0.99

00:41:15.000 I didn't admit anything. 0.85

00:41:17.000 It's like, you admitted they robbed your home.

00:41:20.000 You admitted you were held up at gunpoint.

00:41:22.000 Well, I disclosed.

00:41:23.000 I chose to disclose.

00:41:25.000 Not everyone Sort of has the wherewithal to do that, or the makeup to do that, but fortunately I did.

00:41:30.000 So I disclosed, but I didn't admit anything.

00:41:33.000 And they tell you, the deep dark secret.

00:41:35.000 No, I dealt with it when I could, and I talked about it when I could, in a fashion that I tried to make as accessible as possible to other people.

00:41:43.000 So people would know, like, look at this guy.

00:41:45.000 This guy's sensible.

00:41:46.000 This guy's got something to say.

00:41:47.000 This guy seems to be lucid.

00:41:49.000 And now he's saying this.

00:41:51.000 But it took a toll on him.

00:41:54.000 Yeah.

00:41:55.000 And so it was a hard time for me because, you know, here was Barry and I saw how ill he got and I was making Police Academy 4. It was really taken away from my time on the set.

00:42:09.000 So you lost 100 pounds while you were doing this?

00:42:12.000 Well, I also became a vegetarian and stuff then.

00:42:15.000 So there's a variety.

00:42:16.000 People draw whatever conclusions.

00:42:18.000 And there's some stuff in the movie.

00:42:19.000 I mean, I just hook people up to begin the movie.

00:42:22.000 And then I didn't say, hey, remember to say this.

00:42:25.000 I just backed off.

00:42:27.000 And I didn't loom while Bob was making the movie.

00:42:30.000 I thought it was enough of a task.

00:42:31.000 So I tried.

00:42:32.000 The one thing I could do is I just kept saying to people, it's Bob's.

00:42:35.000 It's about my life.

00:42:35.000 It's Bob's movie.

00:42:37.000 And Bob's movie about my life is something I'm very...

00:42:40.000 I'll put my money on the right, you know, the right spot on the table.

00:42:44.000 And I knew that coming in.

00:42:47.000 I knew he would do me right.

00:42:48.000 But there's parts in the movie that my daughter has a problem with because the one is the basement because it looks like I asked him to or kind of manipulated him.

00:43:00.000 And we had a fight about that.

00:43:00.000 Yeah, it went the other way.

00:43:01.000 The fight was, I'm going down there, you go through a problem, not around it.

00:43:05.000 You can film this or not, I'm going down there.

00:43:07.000 You don't have a problem with that.

00:43:09.000 Because she didn't like me looking like a manipulative guy.

00:43:12.000 Right.

00:43:12.000 And she didn't like the scene with your sister.

00:43:15.000 Who, again, and my sister, I don't tell anybody.

00:43:20.000 I just said, Bob's making a movie about my life.

00:43:23.000 And at one point in the movie, she says, Well, you know, I knew you were going to interview me, but I didn't know there would be cameras here. 0.99

00:43:31.000 It's a fucking movie, Mary Jo Black. 0.98

00:43:33.000 But she's my sister and she literally saved my life. 1.00

00:43:36.000 I very well may have saved my life.

00:43:38.000 It was close because the degree of violence and just the physicality of things and whatever.

00:43:44.000 She's so important to the movie because people want to discredit victims of abuse and to have a witness.

00:43:50.000 And that's about as much time as we should give those people.

00:43:53.000 Yeah, but I just wanted to show them that we're ironclad.

00:43:57.000 Oh yeah, absolutely.

00:43:58.000 That's why it was key.

00:44:00.000 I mean, she did me a big solid, not just you.

00:44:03.000 So Barry went into...

00:44:05.000 Well, the original Big Salad is what I'm talking about.

00:44:07.000 You know, when she walked in, if she hadn't... 0.99

00:44:12.000 Who knows?

00:44:12.000 Maybe that day, maybe if that guy wasn't stopped, maybe I was just about to be...

00:44:16.000 It's so evil, too, because the girl that was involved as well, the babysitter that lured you in and brought the guy over, and then the girl was trying to stop your sister from getting away.

00:44:27.000 Yeah, I mean, it was her or us. 0.98

00:44:29.000 My fucking heart was pounding when I was watching that. 0.99

00:44:32.000 My hands were sweating, and your sister's crying. 1.00

00:44:37.000 It's like, whoa!

00:44:38.000 Yeah.

00:44:39.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:44:41.000 It's...

00:44:41.000 And then cut to good evening.

00:44:43.000 There's a very bright young comic from upstate New York.

00:44:46.000 Well, that's like when Barry was in the basement, you know.

00:44:49.000 And to me, what he says there is very...

00:44:53.000 You know, it proves that he's not living in it, that he's bringing the message back to the tribe, you know, very Joseph Campbell kind of stuff, you know, that's the, you know, the end, it's a great fourth act.

00:45:04.000 And so he says, he says to me, he goes, I totally blacked out.

00:45:10.000 I don't know what I said.

00:45:11.000 Is any of it, thinking about the movie, which is very sweet, he goes, was any of that usable?

00:45:15.000 And I said, I don't know.

00:45:18.000 I'm playing yackety sax the whole time you're down in that basement.

00:45:25.000 He goes, yeah, you can animate it.

00:45:28.000 But, you know, people get weirded out by that.

00:45:31.000 But how else are two guys that genuinely love each other?

00:45:35.000 We had to keep making plenty of jokes as I went along through some of the...

00:45:40.000 Yeah, of course.

00:45:42.000 Jokes that only he can make and then I can get away with a little bit because I'm close to that album.

00:45:48.000 I fully licensed Bob to use my jokes.

00:45:50.000 But in any case, you know, I'm glad I went into that basement for a few reasons.

00:45:57.000 Number one was because other kids go in that basement.

00:45:59.000 I didn't want to We're good to go.

00:46:16.000 To say, any kid who's ever been in here or any kid who will ever be in here, I hope you have fun and you play with your friends and everything's okay and no one else ever gets hurt here.

00:46:25.000 Ever.

00:46:25.000 And that was really important to me.

00:46:27.000 And the other thing was I kind of, as silly as it sounds, as sort of crunchy granola as it sounds, In a way, well, I mean, I hadn't thought about that place for so long.

00:46:37.000 I wasn't going to walk up to the door and give it the kind of power that I couldn't walk in there.

00:46:42.000 I had every right to walk in there, and so I did.

00:46:45.000 And in a way, I walked in there, and I collected myself as a small child, and we all walked back up the stairs.

00:46:52.000 Beautiful thing in the movie where they talk about I'm walking up the stairs and then this county prosecutor from Cuyahoga County in Ohio says we've arrested over a thousand people for trading child pornography in Cuyahoga County and a lot of what he did is the basis of What's being done nationally about this heinous crime. 0.98

00:47:21.000 So, it's, you know, I mean, it's a fucking beautiful bow on like a ridiculous package. 0.92

00:47:28.000 And I'm, man, did we name the movie The Right Thing. 0.98

00:47:32.000 You know, I'm so fortunate.

00:47:33.000 What year was this that you were doing this with the AOL? 95. 95. So this was the beginning of the internet.

00:47:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:41.000 And like in the movie where the senators so proudly talk about how illiterate they are with computers.

00:47:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:48.000 I don't know who they're trying to appeal to there.

00:47:50.000 Is that supposed to make them folksy or something?

00:47:52.000 Yeah.

00:47:53.000 Yeah, it's just incredible that 20 years ago it was that easy to trade child pornography.

00:48:01.000 They were fearless about it. 0.97

00:48:03.000 And they actually would attack someone who challenged them rather than someone coming in and going like, holy shit, someone sees what we're doing, scatter. 0.98

00:48:11.000 At least that would happen now. 0.97

00:48:14.000 At least they know they're in some sort of danger.

00:48:18.000 Back then, it was like, well, this is a natural progression of things.

00:48:21.000 And plus, I'm just reading these guys.

00:48:23.000 And, you know, I will read what my enemy writes.

00:48:27.000 So, like, I studied Nambla and what they have to say. 0.99

00:48:30.000 And these fucking people, if you're not familiar with Nambla, watch the movie Powder. 0.99

00:48:37.000 It basically puts the entire philosophy of Nambla into a film that Disney paid for that was directed by a convicted child molester. 1.00

00:48:47.000 Really?

00:48:47.000 Yeah.

00:48:48.000 Abso-fucking-lutely. 0.97

00:48:49.000 Watch it. 0.98

00:48:50.000 I didn't know that.

00:48:50.000 Oh, the boy had all the power, and he looks like Michael Jackson.

00:48:54.000 It's like so funny.

00:48:56.000 I thought Powder was about, like, a magic kid or something?

00:48:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:59.000 A magic kid has this power...

00:49:03.000 But the director directed a movie called Clown House.

00:49:06.000 It's a Nambla movie of the millennium. 0.65

00:49:07.000 Yeah, it was the movie, I think, Clown House.

00:49:09.000 And he was caught actively abusing children.

00:49:13.000 A child actor.

00:49:15.000 He was caught and went to jail for it. 1.00

00:49:17.000 And then Disney makes a fucking film with this guy. 1.00

00:49:21.000 Afterwards? 1.00

00:49:22.000 Yes.

00:49:22.000 Yeah.

00:49:22.000 What year was the film made?

00:49:24.000 Mid-90s.

00:49:25.000 To the internet.

00:49:26.000 This is Sean Patrick Flannery, right?

00:49:29.000 Yeah.

00:49:30.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:49:31.000 Wow.

00:49:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:32.000 So fuck that guy. 1.00

00:49:34.000 Fuck him. 1.00

00:49:35.000 I know about him. 1.00

00:49:36.000 I know what his fucking movie's about. 1.00

00:49:38.000 It's the fucking Nambla philosophy put into a movie. 1.00

00:49:41.000 Like, this kid has power over everyone. 1.00

00:49:45.000 Everything's the kid's choice. 1.00

00:49:46.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:49:47.000 Everything isn't the kid's choice. 1.00

00:49:48.000 You're a lying, fucking sack of shit, creep, fucking child rapist that Disney hired. 1.00

00:49:53.000 And when you look at Disney, and they let that guy direct the movie, just consider who might be behind the fucking goofy mask at their theme park. 1.00

00:50:01.000 Thank you. 0.99

00:50:03.000 Wow.

00:50:04.000 That is crazy.

00:50:05.000 This is the guy?

00:50:07.000 That's right.

00:50:07.000 Victor Salva.

00:50:08.000 Look at that mustache. 1.00

00:50:09.000 Fucking relentless sex. 1.00

00:50:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:11.000 I actually am friends with the number one goofy.

00:50:12.000 Boy, I don't know who got him in that right corner picture, but I like it.

00:50:15.000 American film director best known for directing the films Powder and Jeepers Creepers.

00:50:20.000 Jeepers Creepers?

00:50:20.000 That was that horror movie?

00:50:21.000 Yeah.

00:50:22.000 That was a good movie. 1.00

00:50:23.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:50:24.000 But, um... 1.00

00:50:24.000 Attracted controversy for being a convicted sex... 1.00

00:50:27.000 Where is he now?

00:50:29.000 I don't know, but you better not be too close to me.

00:50:32.000 How is that?

00:50:32.000 He's directing the Full House reunion.

00:50:35.000 Fuller.

00:50:35.000 Really Fuller.

00:50:37.000 Fuller House.

00:50:39.000 Oh, my God.

00:50:41.000 Yeah, so there you go.

00:50:43.000 Hey, Victor, a little press for you today.

00:50:44.000 Vic.

00:50:45.000 Victor. 1.00

00:50:46.000 Vic, you fucking Nambla fucking proponent. 1.00

00:50:49.000 Fuck you, piece of shit. 1.00

00:50:51.000 Fuck Disney. 1.00

00:50:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:56.000 So when he directed that movie, he was only like 37. He was only 37, convicted sex offender.

00:51:03.000 Wow.

00:51:04.000 What else did he direct?

00:51:06.000 He directed children into harm.

00:51:08.000 Look at that.

00:51:09.000 Hold on.

00:51:09.000 Look at that Vice piece.

00:51:11.000 He loves convicting, loves terrorizing semi-naked youths. 1.00

00:51:17.000 What?

00:51:18.000 This is from 2012?

00:51:20.000 What is this?

00:51:21.000 Oh, my God.

00:51:23.000 Jesus, Larry and Joseph.

00:51:25.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

00:51:26.000 When people think about Padres, a sexually deviant film director, they are likely to imagine Roman plants giving sex with a 13-year-old. 0.97

00:51:31.000 But those stories are a bit tired and cliched now. 0.83

00:51:35.000 So for those of you with a thirst for horrible stories about film men abusing the power, we present mid-budget journeyman director Victor Salva.

00:51:42.000 Journeyman?

00:51:43.000 He's not a boxer.

00:51:44.000 Yeah.

00:51:45.000 What does that mean?

00:51:46.000 Mid-budget journeyman?

00:51:48.000 Oh, what a weird distinction.

00:51:49.000 I know.

00:51:50.000 Just director.

00:51:51.000 In 1989, Salvo was jailed after molesting.

00:51:54.000 I would prefer if you called me journeyman.

00:51:56.000 Okay, from now on I'm calling you journeyman.

00:51:57.000 Journeyman and Bobcat.

00:51:59.000 Clapton should sue these guys. 0.98

00:52:01.000 Clown house. 0.89

00:52:02.000 So he was jailed after molesting a 12-year-old star.

00:52:06.000 You know what?

00:52:06.000 And you know what?

00:52:08.000 So don't rent his movie.

00:52:09.000 Don't pay for his next defense. 1.00

00:52:11.000 And by the way, the Gary Glitter shit they play in every ballpark, that's his fucking defense one. 0.99

00:52:18.000 And I won't finish it, but hey! 0.99

00:52:21.000 You know that song?

00:52:22.000 He makes money on that every time a ball game's going on.

00:52:25.000 The plot's victims of Clown House are three prepubescent brothers led by the debutante Sam Rockwell who spent their time running hysterically around the enormous surprise.

00:52:35.000 Funny how he has three prepubescent kids in that film, too. 1.00

00:52:39.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:52:40.000 What a piece of shit. 1.00

00:52:41.000 I can't even look at this. 1.00

00:52:42.000 How's this guy not in jail?

00:52:43.000 I thought when you go to jail for something like that, you go to jail for a long time, though.

00:52:47.000 Ah, you'd be surprised.

00:52:48.000 Well, that's...

00:52:49.000 I'm surprised right now, because this is... 0.98

00:52:51.000 Then he came out in Disney and let him make a goddamn movie that was the Nambla movie. 0.95

00:52:57.000 It's like, you know, the Nambla film festival outside of... 0.99

00:53:01.000 God knows what they would show.

00:53:03.000 So what is Namble's philosophy?

00:53:04.000 Basically, it's the kids' choice.

00:53:07.000 That's their ring.

00:53:08.000 Yeah, that's the kids' choice.

00:53:10.000 The kids make all the decisions.

00:53:13.000 You know, I used to think that Namble was something that they joked around about. 1.00

00:53:16.000 You didn't think it was a real thing?

00:53:18.000 No.

00:53:20.000 I used to hear Howard Stern talk about it.

00:53:24.000 Yeah, no, Nambla's real. 0.97

00:53:25.000 And it's not a joke.

00:53:27.000 But the thing is, it's like the Communist Party.

00:53:31.000 Nowadays, if you go to a meeting, you know, it's like 80% FBI agents, so enjoy yourself, Nambla, guys.

00:53:37.000 Remember the hilarious thing when they had a Nambla meeting at the San Francisco Library, and that film crew came in, and everybody walked out, like, crouching. 0.79

00:53:46.000 They're all, like, walking like Groucho Marx.

00:53:48.000 No, I didn't see it.

00:53:50.000 They wouldn't stand up.

00:53:51.000 You know, I bet we could find it.

00:53:53.000 Nambla San Francisco Library.

00:53:57.000 It's hilarious.

00:54:00.000 I just thought for sure if something like that happens, you go to jail for 100 years.

00:54:06.000 I mean, I don't understand how this guy could have been out at 40. Yeah.

00:54:10.000 That means at 37. So if he was convicted and then he was out at 37, he couldn't possibly have done more than, you know, 17, 19 years, right?

00:54:20.000 If he was 18. Well, he didn't do anything close to that.

00:54:23.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:54:24.000 He did a little bit. 1.00

00:54:25.000 And then when they made the movie, though, here's the thing.

00:54:27.000 He wasn't directing that film at 17, 18, you know, I mean, he only did it a bit at a time. 0.99

00:54:35.000 Motherfucker. 0.99

00:54:35.000 You know, the movie they greenlit, that's the other thing that's weird. 0.99

00:54:39.000 They knew it was past, and then they greenlit that movie.

00:54:42.000 He was released on parole in 92, 15 months into his sentence.

00:54:46.000 Whoa.

00:54:46.000 Yeah.

00:54:47.000 He laid low for a while, planning his next move. 0.99

00:54:50.000 What the fuck does that mean? 0.99

00:54:52.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:54:53.000 Oh my god.

00:54:55.000 I mean, the register sex owner who'd recently been doing that was hired to make a film for Disney.

00:55:01.000 Selva's Disney film film was a straight potter, a freakishly intelligent albino boy with telepathic and telekinetic powers. 0.88

00:55:07.000 The film was marketed as a modern-day fairytale which starred such household names as Jeff Goldblum and was at the time decreed to be a sleeper hit after it cost $30 million worldwide, outstripping its modest $10 million budget.

00:55:20.000 Yeah, all I remembered was that, oh my god, you touched me and I've had better...

00:55:24.000 What does that say? 0.92

00:55:26.000 Jeff Goldman comes across Powder in an empty cafeteria and says to him, you touched me and I've had better sex than I've had in 10 years.

00:55:33.000 I want to be a friend.

00:55:35.000 Right, that's not creepy.

00:55:36.000 And this thing got good reviews. 0.99

00:55:38.000 You touched me and I had better sex. 0.99

00:55:41.000 Ah, man, we hit it. 0.99

00:55:43.000 That's what I love.

00:55:44.000 I was looking forward to doing this because I know we would hit some stripe, you know, some vein that you would completely dig, man, and you get it.

00:55:52.000 See, this is my work. 0.97

00:55:53.000 This is what I'm fucking up. 1.00

00:55:55.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:55:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:56.000 He takes Powder's hand as his hair, supposedly due to an electric current, begins to stand on end. 1.00

00:56:02.000 So the idea is that he's holding him, and the power of this child makes his hair stand up.

00:56:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:56:09.000 It's a fucking pedophile movie. 1.00

00:56:12.000 And caresses Powder's face and bald head for around 20 seconds. 1.00

00:56:16.000 What the fuck is wrong with Jeff Goldblum? 0.99

00:56:18.000 I don't know, Jeff. 1.00

00:56:19.000 What is wrong with you? 1.00

00:56:20.000 The fuck? 1.00

00:56:21.000 I don't care. 1.00

00:56:21.000 I don't need to meet movie stars. 1.00

00:56:23.000 Fucking, you know, come on. 1.00

00:56:24.000 I'm glad you're on the fucking rent.com horror ads now. 1.00

00:56:28.000 Apartment. 1.00

00:56:29.000 I'm glad it's falling apart.

00:56:30.000 Well, I'm not.

00:56:31.000 Good luck to you. 0.99

00:56:32.000 But what the fuck? 0.99

00:56:33.000 He was really good in Jurassic Park. 1.00

00:56:34.000 I didn't see that.

00:56:36.000 I missed that.

00:56:37.000 Can you imagine?

00:56:38.000 I didn't happen to see that.

00:56:39.000 He said he really liked Comey Lucky.

00:56:40.000 Did he?

00:56:42.000 Not really.

00:56:44.000 No, you're kidding.

00:56:45.000 Yeah.

00:56:46.000 He's kidding.

00:56:47.000 He's totally kidding.

00:56:48.000 I know that kidding sound.

00:56:49.000 I'm sorry.

00:56:50.000 Maybe he wasn't thinking that much.

00:56:51.000 Maybe the movie was made incrementally and whatever, so I'll give him a break. 0.99

00:56:55.000 But Disney should have fucking known. 0.98

00:56:57.000 Disney's whole business is based on kids, right? 1.00

00:57:00.000 So this is what the big kid studio, the fucking theme park people, they put this piece of shit out, and it's still sort of like honored as this critically acclaimed thing. 0.99

00:57:12.000 And I... I'm no guy who can... 0.99

00:57:14.000 Critics figure out shit that I'm not smart enough or I don't care enough to figure out. 1.00

00:57:19.000 They can follow avant-garde shit. 1.00

00:57:20.000 I don't know what the fuck they're talking about. 1.00

00:57:22.000 But this movie, I know the message better than anybody. 0.99

00:57:25.000 I know what it's about, and I know who they're appealing to. 1.00

00:57:28.000 And they're putting their fucking horse shit in our face and asking us to like it. 1.00

00:57:33.000 Well, you know what? 1.00

00:57:33.000 I don't like it, Disney. 1.00

00:57:35.000 I don't like it, Salva. 1.00

00:57:36.000 Go fuck yourself. 1.00

00:57:37.000 I vaguely recollect that this was an issue that someone had brought up to me before, but I never investigated it, or maybe it was in conversation at the comedy store or something like that, and I never looked into it, but goddammit, this is fucking crazy. 1.00

00:57:51.000 There's fucking jelly in this beer. 0.99

00:57:53.000 What do you mean? 1.00

00:57:54.000 Jelly?

00:57:56.000 What do you mean?

00:57:58.000 Blackberry... 1.00

00:57:59.000 I don't drink at fucking Knott's Berry Park. 0.99

00:58:03.000 Can I see what it says? 0.99

00:58:04.000 What is it? 0.99

00:58:06.000 What the fuck is it? 1.00

00:58:08.000 Taste it. 1.00

00:58:09.000 No, I don't think so, Phil.

00:58:11.000 He's moving on.

00:58:13.000 These Nuevos are really good.

00:58:14.000 I've got to try a Nuevo.

00:58:15.000 These are great.

00:58:16.000 It's from New Mexico.

00:58:17.000 Local beer.

00:58:17.000 All right.

00:58:19.000 So thank you, man.

00:58:21.000 That's the great thing about doing your show, and I've listened to you go off on these riffs for so long.

00:58:26.000 I've got to watch it at no o'clock in the morning because of Don Gavin. 1.00

00:58:30.000 Cut the shit, big guy. 1.00

00:58:32.000 I gotta watch at no o'clock in the morning because I'm on a dish and it uses up too much bandwidth to keep watching. 1.00

00:58:40.000 But if I'm up at no o'clock in the morning, I'm checking out what you've been doing and you fucking kill me, man. 0.99

00:58:45.000 And it's great. 0.99

00:58:46.000 And that's why I was so...

00:58:49.000 I mean, I didn't approach one...

00:58:51.000 I don't think...

00:58:52.000 I might have approached a couple, but like a very few people I approached said, can we come on and do your show?

00:58:57.000 Yeah.

00:58:58.000 You're one of the only ones, man.

00:59:00.000 Thank you very much.

00:59:01.000 You're the last one we're doing.

00:59:03.000 This is it.

00:59:04.000 I'm done.

00:59:05.000 Thank you very much.

00:59:06.000 It's an honor for me. 0.72

00:59:07.000 And I knew I could trust you for me arriving as test pattern boy at the end of fucking 100 interviews. 0.96

00:59:12.000 Like, well, let's go back and now, you like to call it a rape barrier? 0.98

00:59:16.000 Is that what you...

00:59:17.000 Is it a sexual assault or a rape to you? 0.98

00:59:21.000 I'm going to go ahead and use that word, rape. 1.00

00:59:23.000 Is that all right?

00:59:23.000 One thing that really sort of kind of defines you and how you approach things.

00:59:29.000 Very good beer.

00:59:30.000 It's very good, right?

00:59:30.000 Yes.

00:59:31.000 Nuevo.

00:59:32.000 You said that if that guy was alive, that you would want to show him that he didn't break you.

00:59:40.000 That's right.

00:59:41.000 You know...

00:59:43.000 I would show him that my personal revenge would be to behave decently towards him and even advocate for him to be in a situation confined and segregated from any possibility of being near children.

00:59:54.000 Where he was treated in a humane fashion.

00:59:57.000 And if he weren't, I would tell him he could tell me and I would do something about it because I became a human rights activist and not a rapist, not a human rights offender.

01:00:07.000 And so you didn't win.

01:00:10.000 The light that was extinguished in you was never extinguished in me.

01:00:13.000 It survived and I'm so fortunate that it did. 0.74

01:00:17.000 I would have probably said that and then killed him. 0.98

01:00:20.000 For sure. 0.99

01:00:21.000 I stomp spiders.

01:00:22.000 I'm not a big fan of poisonous things.

01:00:25.000 Yeah, well, I understand.

01:00:27.000 I understand.

01:00:28.000 I didn't experience what you experienced, and you have obviously...

01:00:32.000 I couldn't be consumed by it.

01:00:34.000 Of course.

01:00:35.000 Well, you're a very strong person to go that path and to go that route and that's indicative of who you became and that's one of the reasons I think, ironically, like why you became such a strong leader and this powerful person is because you overcame something un-fucking-bearably traumatic very early in your life and you developed this intense sense of right and wrong.

01:00:57.000 I think this is a great time to tell people they should follow me on Twitter.

01:01:03.000 At Crimmins, C-I-M-M-I-N-S. Let's see the record we can set for followers right now at this moment.

01:01:09.000 At Crimmins on Twitter.

01:01:10.000 He was talking about me, Barry.

01:01:12.000 Oh, man.

01:01:14.000 So I seized the moment.

01:01:19.000 This has been the weirdest, hardest movie to promote.

01:01:23.000 More than the Bigfoot movie?

01:01:25.000 Because Bigfoot, it's scary and it was fun.

01:01:28.000 Here, you guys talk.

01:01:30.000 I've got to show Joe a picture that I think he's going to dig.

01:01:32.000 Oh, is it the lizard guy that lives in...

01:01:33.000 No, no.

01:01:34.000 It's the fact that... 1.00

01:01:35.000 Hey, hello, all of Joe Rogan's followers, all you crazy goddamn... 0.99

01:01:42.000 What would you describe your politics? 0.99

01:01:45.000 I'd try not to.

01:01:46.000 Okay, good.

01:01:47.000 I'm trying not to define it.

01:01:49.000 Oh, shoot.

01:01:49.000 I can't get on the interweb.

01:01:50.000 My politics are wait for the aliens to land.

01:01:53.000 My politics are never trust anyone who wants to be in charge.

01:01:58.000 That's perfect.

01:01:59.000 Anybody who wants to be president shouldn't be president. 1.00

01:02:01.000 It's fucked. 0.99

01:02:02.000 I have an idea that people, it should be like jury duty. 1.00

01:02:06.000 Absolutely.

01:02:07.000 Yeah.

01:02:08.000 Absolutely.

01:02:08.000 And then, you know, hey, I'm going to go try to do us proud for a week.

01:02:11.000 I mean, like I ran the ding-ho and did that shit. 0.99

01:02:13.000 I could have parlayed that into something, but I just knew we needed something. 0.99

01:02:17.000 I didn't want to be fucking in charge. 1.00

01:02:19.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:02:20.000 I want to do my shit. 1.00

01:02:21.000 I think it should be by height. 0.99

01:02:22.000 And I don't want anyone to have to approve of it.

01:02:23.000 By height.

01:02:24.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:02:24.000 By height.

01:02:24.000 How did the ding-ho, well, I'm out.

01:02:27.000 How did the ding-ho wind up closing?

01:02:31.000 Chun-Li lost the tax money in a Mahjong game.

01:02:36.000 For real?

01:02:36.000 I sold out four shows on Saturday night.

01:02:38.000 I went over to pick up my notebook on Monday. 0.99

01:02:40.000 There's fucking plywood on the door. 0.99

01:02:42.000 And the ultimate dinghole not here. 0.99

01:02:44.000 Because the joke is, I used to call the club.

01:02:47.000 I'd be out on the road, and I would call in on Saturday night to see him.

01:02:50.000 And this old guy, Henry, is like an 82-year-old Chinese guy who took the takeout orders on the phone. 0.64

01:02:54.000 And I would call up, and I would say, Hey, Henry, it's Barry.

01:02:58.000 Barry not here!

01:03:00.000 And this is back in the day.

01:03:02.000 You've got to get another $2.85 and change.

01:03:05.000 Henry!

01:03:06.000 You know?

01:03:07.000 I want to order!

01:03:08.000 Sean Lee on the phone.

01:03:10.000 You know, I would have to figure some way to break through his...

01:03:13.000 So it turned into my friend, the late, great John Brown.

01:03:18.000 You know, the man who wants...

01:03:20.000 The man who wants... 1.00

01:03:21.000 Ah, you fuck. 1.00

01:03:23.000 The man who wants puked in a wishing well. 1.00

01:03:26.000 The Patterson Kremlin photo?

01:03:28.000 Yeah, it's Barry.

01:03:29.000 How about the one with you?

01:03:31.000 Okay, how about yours? 0.95

01:03:32.000 I was watching the movie, editing, and I was like, holy crap. 0.95

01:03:37.000 That's the holy grail for me. 0.84

01:03:38.000 Well, there's a lot of Bigfoot sightings in upstate New York.

01:03:41.000 Well, that's my thing.

01:03:41.000 I just do movies about a hairy, mysterious man that live out in the woods.

01:03:47.000 I was on some point, but it doesn't matter, because Bob had to mock.

01:03:52.000 You were talking about calling up the ding-ho, and then you had to trick him. 1.00

01:03:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:55.000 So it became ding-ho, not hero.

01:03:57.000 I don't remember the rest of it.

01:03:58.000 What was that?

01:04:00.000 Still, it wasn't enough of a prompt, Joe.

01:04:02.000 It's gone.

01:04:03.000 I have a compartmentalized memory.

01:04:05.000 And plus, I've had a lot of concussions because I played a little ball in my day.

01:04:09.000 Oh, man.

01:04:10.000 Back in the day when spearing was, you know, legal.

01:04:13.000 Yeah, and widely practiced.

01:04:15.000 Yeah, man.

01:04:15.000 Did you enjoy Fran Salamita's documentary?

01:04:18.000 Sure.

01:04:18.000 Fran was a big help in our movie.

01:04:21.000 He gave us footage that wasn't used in that, so that was a big help.

01:04:27.000 It was the first real chance for me to go on record about a lot of stuff.

01:04:31.000 And then some of that was stuff Bob ended up using in our film.

01:04:36.000 So yeah, I enjoyed it a lot.

01:04:38.000 You are in this position now with this film coming out to help a lot of people.

01:04:45.000 I think this film is not just going to tell your story and open up a lot of people's eyes as to the AOL situation.

01:04:56.000 But I think a lot of people.

01:04:58.000 You're such a powerful guy.

01:04:59.000 I'm hearing from them, Joe.

01:05:00.000 I'm sure you are.

01:05:01.000 And they know how to find me.

01:05:05.000 Find me and I'll do what I can.

01:05:11.000 I give everybody as much of a chance as I can.

01:05:16.000 There's a lot of what's sold to abuse survivors that I think is horseshit and that's basically they get quote-unquote empowered and I hate that word because it takes the strength out of the word power.

01:05:27.000 What sounds more like power?

01:05:30.000 Power or empowered?

01:05:32.000 Empowered is like making them wear Birkenstocks or something.

01:05:35.000 So I'm not that big on empowered.

01:05:38.000 But they, like, I did my friend Sam Cedar's podcast a couple weeks back, and he said, I don't want to give away what the movies are.

01:05:48.000 I said, listen, man, it's not that kind of movie, and it hinges largely on the fact that I survived rapes as a child. 0.86

01:05:53.000 Well, I heard from several people who said, you know, you really should have had a trigger warning on there, and it's like, What the fuck do you think I was doing? 0.96

01:06:01.000 What the fuck do you think I was doing when I said it hinges largely? 0.87

01:06:05.000 I was warning you that what it was about right there, but someone has empowered you to have a way to take issue with me because I'm not completely basing. 0.98

01:06:15.000 You know, the whole world isn't based around me. 0.96

01:06:18.000 Even though I got raped when I was four years old, everybody shouldn't be thinking in terms of that all the time because they've been through their own shit and they're dealing with their own shit and they're trying to survive. 0.73

01:06:27.000 So if I can make them more sensitive to this issue, if I can show them that it matters to them, that they deal with other people who have been through this kind of trauma and we want to reduce it as much as absolutely possible, that's good. 0.98

01:06:39.000 But after that, if I'm going to find a way to set up a situation where I'm always the injured party and I prove again and again that I'm persecuted and no one's thinking in terms of me, then I'm never going to get fucking healed. 0.92

01:06:53.000 I'm never going to get fucking healed. 0.80

01:06:57.000 And I try to help other people. 0.97

01:06:58.000 When I help other people, I realize how far along I've come.

01:07:02.000 And I realize there's really something in it for me to do that.

01:07:06.000 And it's not like I'm this altruistic guy.

01:07:08.000 It's like I'm saving my own life.

01:07:10.000 You know, like that AOL investigation that took such courage to do it.

01:07:13.000 No.

01:07:13.000 What would have taken courage was turning my back on those kids and walking away going, oh, I don't want to know what's going on in there.

01:07:20.000 How would I live with that guy?

01:07:22.000 How would I live with myself then?

01:07:24.000 But, you know, it was nice everyone said, oh, gee, what he went through when he was doing that investigation. 0.99

01:07:28.000 What about the kids in the fucking pictures? 0.99

01:07:31.000 That's what I want everyone to know about. 1.00

01:07:33.000 Thanks for caring about me, but it's the kids in the pictures I give a shit about. 0.98

01:07:37.000 It's the kids that are suffering right now. 0.99

01:07:38.000 Somewhere within the sound of my voice, someone, you know, I mean, in this broadcast, like, where this is on, someone in the next apartment or wherever, some kid is going through this shit. 0.99

01:07:52.000 Have the courage to know about it. 0.97

01:07:53.000 That's all I ask for you.

01:07:54.000 Have the courage to know about it.

01:07:56.000 And save the contemporary children. 0.99

01:07:58.000 So you don't have to deal with a bunch of fucking maniac abuse survivors when... 0.99

01:08:04.000 That's all. 0.99

01:08:05.000 And if anybody can defuse the term...

01:08:07.000 James Brown's cape guy's coming in now. 0.99

01:08:10.000 If anybody can defuse the term trigger warning, you're the fucking guy. 0.99

01:08:15.000 Well, thanks. 1.00

01:08:15.000 Jesus goddamn Christ, stop. 1.00

01:08:17.000 We're going to develop a nation of permanent children. 1.00

01:08:20.000 Like, if anybody can tell their story and doesn't need a fucking trigger warning, it's you. 0.99

01:08:27.000 This idea, I don't need trigger warnings. 0.99

01:08:30.000 If you're going to show me something, show me something.

01:08:32.000 And if I don't want to see it, let me know what it is before you show me.

01:08:35.000 Tell me what the...

01:08:36.000 We all knew what the documentary was about. 1.00

01:08:38.000 No need a goddamn trigger... 1.00

01:08:40.000 This fucking term is disgusting. 1.00

01:08:42.000 It's a disgusting term. 1.00

01:08:43.000 It does damage...

01:08:45.000 It just sets people up to stay in the pit, you know, to wallow.

01:08:49.000 It's empowering them to wallow.

01:08:51.000 Like, well, I've got hurt again because the whole society... 1.00

01:08:54.000 It's like, sorry about that shit, man. 1.00

01:08:56.000 But I'm telling you what, I know you're in a pit of your own shit. 1.00

01:08:59.000 I know you're used to the temperature and the smell of it doesn't... 1.00

01:09:02.000 You're used to that and it doesn't bother you that much anymore.

01:09:04.000 But when you stand up and they...

01:09:06.000 And then you go in the house and take a real shower and put on some clean clothes, you're not gonna believe how much better you feel! 0.98

01:09:13.000 So stop letting other people tell you that you have to expect the world to do the impossible and let's be telepathic about what the fuck you've been through! 0.95

01:09:23.000 Get to the point where you can stand up and tell them the story yourself when it's appropriate. 0.99

01:09:28.000 And don't put up with anybody who is truly being insensitive or snickering about any of this shit. 1.00

01:09:33.000 Fuck people who tell me. 1.00

01:09:34.000 People walk up to me all the time and tell me, like, well, you know, the good thing is those guys get arrested, you know, and Bubba will take a hit. 1.00

01:09:40.000 It's like, you're endorsing rape to me? 1.00

01:09:43.000 You're fucking endorsing rape to me, motherfucker? 1.00

01:09:45.000 I don't want anyone raped ever. 1.00

01:09:47.000 Not even raping. 0.94

01:09:48.000 Rape is illegal.

01:09:49.000 How about making jails lawful places?

01:09:51.000 How about that for an idea?

01:09:53.000 How about someone going to jail and realizing the law protects me sometime?

01:09:57.000 I'm not going to be raped.

01:09:58.000 I'm not going to be menaced here. 0.99

01:09:59.000 I'm going to...

01:10:00.000 And maybe they will start thinking about getting reformed.

01:10:03.000 But Jesus Christ, don't joke to me about rape. 0.99

01:10:06.000 Don't tell me you want them all killed and sweep them under that rug. 0.99

01:10:09.000 Because I was born without blood on my hands. 1.00

01:10:11.000 I don't want any fucking blood on my hands now, man. 0.99

01:10:13.000 So don't... 0.99

01:10:14.000 Guess! 1.00

01:10:15.000 These stupid ass fucking lightweight things and presume I'm going to sign off on them. 1.00

01:10:20.000 Because I don't want anyone else ever raped and if it happens, even if it's of a rapist, I'm opposed to it. 1.00

01:10:26.000 And I don't want them fucking killed either. 0.99

01:10:28.000 I want them to live with what they did. 0.99

01:10:30.000 Now this is a difficult, this is a difficult thought, and this is a difficult subject, but did you, after this was all said and done, horrendous moment in your life, many moments in your life, did you try to figure out what would create a person like the guy who did that to you?

01:10:51.000 Yeah.

01:10:51.000 Did you try?

01:10:52.000 I did figure it out.

01:10:53.000 How much time?

01:10:54.000 Yeah, and I can tell you what created him.

01:10:56.000 He was taken out of an abusive home.

01:10:59.000 He was put into foster care and abused many more times, and he was gone.

01:11:04.000 And he was gone.

01:11:05.000 And he was succumbed.

01:11:08.000 By the agony I was put through by him, I survived somehow.

01:11:13.000 I made it, so call me lucky.

01:11:15.000 I didn't become him.

01:11:16.000 I didn't become what I resisted.

01:11:18.000 I didn't pass along the poison.

01:11:21.000 Maybe I did in some ways when I was difficult or whatever, but mostly I didn't.

01:11:26.000 Mostly when I'm mad, I'm mad because it's like Hendrix.

01:11:29.000 A cry of love.

01:11:31.000 It's a cry of love that I make.

01:11:33.000 It's a cry of love.

01:11:33.000 My act has been a cry of love.

01:11:35.000 It's like I don't want the innocent hurt anymore. 0.99

01:11:38.000 I don't want people victimized because of greed and cowardice and bullshit. 0.98

01:11:43.000 I don't want that. 0.97

01:11:45.000 And so I do what I can to stand up to it.

01:11:48.000 Were there moments where you wanted to talk to him?

01:11:51.000 I would have loved to talk to him.

01:11:52.000 I would have loved to talk to him to show him that I didn't become a monster like he was.

01:11:57.000 I would have almost become an advocate for him in the sense that, like, well, let me know if they're mistreating you in here.

01:12:04.000 But he died in prison, no one claimed his body, and I don't know where his grave is. 0.98

01:12:08.000 If I knew where his grave is, I'd go put fucking flowers on it. 0.99

01:12:10.000 Not for him, for me. 0.99

01:12:13.000 The idea that someone could do that after someone did that to them seems insanely counterintuitive.

01:12:18.000 It's like if someone...

01:12:20.000 It's the only thing that saves you, but really saves you, really is redemptive and really saves you.

01:12:26.000 To me.

01:12:29.000 One of the things that you covered in the film that I thought was really a very powerful moment where you talked about this thing that you didn't become him, that you maybe if your sister didn't come down there and catch...

01:12:42.000 I could have been dead.

01:12:43.000 You could have been dead. 0.81

01:12:44.000 It was close, man.

01:12:45.000 It was close.

01:12:46.000 But also that you could have been one of them.

01:12:48.000 You could have been someone who would repeat that.

01:12:49.000 And that would have been worse than death.

01:12:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:12:52.000 I would rather be a victim a thousand times than the perpetrator once, and that's not any bullshit. 0.86

01:12:57.000 Did you contemplate the mechanism?

01:12:59.000 Have you tried to understand the mechanism that turns an abused person into an abuser?

01:13:04.000 What is that?

01:13:06.000 I don't think I'm as nuts and bolts as you are, because I listen to you and I know what detail you go into.

01:13:12.000 So I understand how and what you're asking.

01:13:17.000 But I can't be...

01:13:18.000 There's enough of me that's been through enough that I can't be quite as thorough as you're asking me to be to answer that.

01:13:24.000 I get as close as I can, and I understand what happened, but then after that point, I'm not one of them, and I can't go far enough to say, well, then, of course, if you get past this point right here,

01:13:40.000 then obviously this is the...

01:13:41.000 I can't do that.

01:13:43.000 That is what is too much for me.

01:13:47.000 Well, you know, one of the reasons I was interested in making the movie was when Barry, you know, told me that the guy had died in prison.

01:13:56.000 And I said, how'd that make you feel?

01:13:58.000 And he said, it made me sad.

01:14:00.000 And I said, because you didn't get any closure?

01:14:02.000 You know, you didn't get to confront him?

01:14:04.000 And he said, no, he died alone.

01:14:06.000 And I was really blown away by that, and I thought...

01:14:11.000 I should really make a movie about this.

01:14:13.000 No, I thought, well, this is like, you know, this is Jesus stuff.

01:14:20.000 You know, that's what this is.

01:14:24.000 So, you know, that really did motivate me to make the movie, you know.

01:14:29.000 And so the movie...

01:14:31.000 It was going to be a narrative with someone else playing Barry, and I thought about that for years.

01:14:36.000 He tried a stab at a script, I tried, and it wasn't until, you know, Robin Williams was my pal, and he suggested I make it as a doc.

01:14:45.000 This was just February 2014. And I said, I don't have any money.

01:14:50.000 He says, I'll give you some money.

01:14:51.000 You can start it.

01:14:51.000 Because he was a fan of Barry's and he knew Barry's story.

01:14:55.000 So that's really how the movie came together.

01:14:57.000 It came together really fast.

01:14:58.000 I didn't realize how long it takes to make a doc, you know.

01:15:02.000 Because when I was at Sundance, other directors are going, yeah, we started seven years ago.

01:15:06.000 Seriously, I started four years ago.

01:15:08.000 And I was like, I started February.

01:15:10.000 And they didn't go, hey, all right.

01:15:12.000 They're like, hmm, I hope it's okay.

01:15:15.000 Well, good luck with that, Bob Scratch.

01:15:20.000 How difficult was it to even attempt to tell this story?

01:15:24.000 For you, as a person who loves this guy, and as we know, he's out of the room right now, he was so instrumental.

01:15:31.000 He was the foundation of that whole community, which I think is so important to you and me.

01:15:37.000 And help mold me, you know, because I met him when I was 16. Right.

01:15:41.000 So it's, you know, making a movie that's not a work of fiction with someone you love that you want them to like when it's done and you want people to like the movie and him for the same reason you like him.

01:15:56.000 It was hard.

01:15:57.000 It wasn't, you know, like people will talk about making a movie and they say that was hard.

01:16:02.000 No matter what, I never think, you know, but seeing that these are real people, I don't want to embarrass anyone.

01:16:07.000 I don't want to, I don't want to.

01:16:09.000 No, I know you don't.

01:16:11.000 And I was thinking about how hard I made your work. 0.96

01:16:18.000 There's footage, you know, what the fuck am I gonna do about that? 0.97

01:16:21.000 It's embarrassing.

01:16:22.000 Before this film came out, was there a time where you were trying to figure out how to tell your story?

01:16:29.000 No, I mean, I felt like I had told it a lot, and I felt like the trail was there and people could find it.

01:16:34.000 This is like the dream that it gets told this way.

01:16:39.000 But I didn't expect it.

01:16:40.000 I didn't presume it.

01:16:42.000 And I was completely honored and flattered that it was done, and then it was done so well. 0.95

01:16:49.000 But, you know, I mean, like, part of me doesn't give a fuck about my story. 0.90

01:16:53.000 I mean, I just, like, I, like... 0.75

01:16:56.000 I've learned as I grow up, I've learned not to take life personally.

01:17:00.000 You know, I'm just part of it.

01:17:02.000 And so, I don't expect it to stop for me and do it.

01:17:07.000 But it has in this sense because Bob stopped it and got the footage and sequenced it and put it together and thought these brilliant ways to approach it and then made this beautiful picture.

01:17:18.000 I mean, really, If it wasn't about me, I mean, I would be out crusading to get people to watch this.

01:17:24.000 It just seems immodest at this point, you know, because it's about me.

01:17:29.000 He made such a tremendous movie.

01:17:32.000 Well, there's a lot of folks.

01:17:33.000 I mean, Jeff Stryker, the editor, Clint and Charlie, our producers.

01:17:37.000 They're your people that you put together, you know?

01:17:41.000 Bradley Stonecipher, who I've got to see while I'm in town, by the way.

01:17:44.000 Is he around?

01:17:45.000 I don't know.

01:17:46.000 We should figure that out.

01:17:48.000 How do you follow this?

01:17:50.000 We're doing a sequel.

01:17:53.000 Yeah, call me greedy.

01:17:57.000 I got a book coming.

01:18:01.000 What's the book about?

01:18:02.000 A lot of essays.

01:18:04.000 And then a lot of quips.

01:18:06.000 It's sort of dedicated to generation text.

01:18:09.000 You know, the people there are like... 0.99

01:18:12.000 I mean, I'm trying to hang in there, but it's like I read this shit out. 0.99

01:18:16.000 P-T-G-O-T-R-S-H-U. Half hour later, I'm going like, putting on other shoe? 1.00

01:18:22.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:18:23.000 You've got time to tell me you're putting on your other shoe, but you're in such a hurry, you've got to abbreviate it so I can't figure out what the fuck? 1.00

01:18:32.000 So I have to be calm enough to try to convey this. 0.97

01:18:34.000 Okay, kids.

01:18:36.000 SMH is my least favorite.

01:18:37.000 Shake my head.

01:18:40.000 Oh. 1.00

01:18:41.000 Fucking gross. 0.99

01:18:42.000 Yeah, no, and the whole emoji thing. 0.99

01:18:45.000 I'm a grown man.

01:18:46.000 It's like, come on.

01:18:47.000 I make smiley faces.

01:18:48.000 I'm so sorry.

01:18:49.000 I never did.

01:18:50.000 I knew to get him, I knew to wind him up.

01:18:52.000 Oh, they all send them to me, the whole crew.

01:18:53.000 Smiley face emoticon. 0.95

01:18:55.000 Yeah, I sent one to my friend Paul, and he's like, did you fucking send me a smiley face?

01:18:59.000 I actually texted enough women that I put smiley face emoticon on it.

01:19:06.000 I don't have any emojis, but I do look at the dot dot smiley.

01:19:10.000 Every time I upgrade my phone, they put like a million more of these things on there, and then I hit it by mistake.

01:19:15.000 Barry just sent me a Christmas tree that's puking.

01:19:18.000 I don't know if he's happy or mad.

01:19:21.000 It's a drunk Christmas tree.

01:19:22.000 I don't think he meant there.

01:19:24.000 We're like, we're regressing.

01:19:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:27.000 We're just communicating with hieroglyphs.

01:19:29.000 It's 100%.

01:19:30.000 100%.

01:19:31.000 I got a deer with an arrow in its face. 0.99

01:19:34.000 And a gun pointed at its head. 1.00

01:19:35.000 What the fuck does that mean? 1.00

01:19:37.000 A very depressed deer. 0.99

01:19:38.000 Guys wearing skins. 1.00

01:19:39.000 Yeah, suicidal emojis.

01:19:40.000 Like, how are guns and emojis?

01:19:42.000 Yeah, they are.

01:19:43.000 They are.

01:19:43.000 They're in there.

01:19:43.000 Why are so many people communicating with guns?

01:19:45.000 We need the ones we need.

01:19:47.000 You know, the fart. 1.00

01:19:49.000 The pile of dog shit. 1.00

01:19:50.000 That's another one. 1.00

01:19:51.000 Flatulent.

01:19:53.000 Hey, can I do my Hercules thing on you?

01:19:55.000 Can people see it?

01:19:56.000 What's your Hercules?

01:19:57.000 Throw me the styrofoam boulder. 1.00

01:20:00.000 Who is the fool now? 0.99

01:20:01.000 I ask you, Joe Rogan. 0.99

01:20:03.000 What is that?

01:20:05.000 That's my old Hercules movie bit.

01:20:07.000 Oh, is it like synchronized?

01:20:08.000 No, everybody did it.

01:20:09.000 Yeah, but everybody...

01:20:10.000 No one...

01:20:11.000 They all do it now.

01:20:12.000 But I was in it first!

01:20:13.000 I ask you!

01:20:17.000 I don't...

01:20:18.000 That's unbombing.

01:20:19.000 It's more like kung fu movie stuff.

01:20:21.000 Well, no, that was later.

01:20:22.000 Oh, it was later.

01:20:23.000 So this is pre-that.

01:20:24.000 It was Hercules movies.

01:20:26.000 Uh-uh.

01:20:26.000 Throw me this stuff on Walter.

01:20:28.000 Who is the fool now? 1.00

01:20:30.000 Testicles. 1.00

01:20:32.000 I will get you sooner or later, my friend. 0.98

01:20:35.000 You will come around, and you will understand the point of this joke!

01:20:39.000 This is not playing well on audio.

01:20:41.000 The vast majority of our listeners are just that.

01:20:45.000 Ah, good, good, good, good.

01:20:46.000 We maybe have like...

01:20:48.000 Less than 10% probably watch this.

01:20:51.000 Perfect.

01:20:52.000 It's better. 1.00

01:20:53.000 I love shit that doesn't work. 0.99

01:20:55.000 When you're on Upstate, when you're like... 1.00

01:20:59.000 So you go out and you do...

01:21:02.000 He's had too many beers.

01:21:03.000 He's had four beers.

01:21:04.000 Three is good.

01:21:06.000 When you're in upstate and you go out, you're doing these gigs, are you performing on a regular basis?

01:21:14.000 No, no, but I will be.

01:21:16.000 I mean, regular basis is something.

01:21:18.000 Because that was part of the film.

01:21:20.000 Someone was like, I don't know how he makes money.

01:21:21.000 Someone was asking.

01:21:24.000 I'm about to.

01:21:25.000 I have a great new speakers bureau called Kepler Speakers in New York.

01:21:29.000 If you want me to come talk to you, I will for a fee.

01:21:33.000 And I'm going out and doing a bunch of shows and getting ready and I would like to, you know, I think there might be like kind of a valedictory performance.

01:21:43.000 And then I might be kind of done.

01:21:45.000 You know, maybe just find a little spot, a little lady, settle down in the country, and relax. 1.00

01:21:52.000 Do you have a desire to do stand-up again, or is stand-up sort of like too limited?

01:21:56.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm happy to do stand-up.

01:21:58.000 I did it last night at the belly room of the Comedy Store.

01:22:00.000 It was fun.

01:22:01.000 And they were like, wow, you're allowed to do that? 1.00

01:22:03.000 Yeah, fuck yeah, you are. 0.99

01:22:04.000 You know, so it was cool. 0.99

01:22:06.000 And I love doing stand-up, and I love comics. 1.00

01:22:08.000 I mean, I fuck. 1.00

01:22:09.000 I love comics. 1.00

01:22:10.000 They're my brothers and sisters.

01:22:11.000 And you know what?

01:22:13.000 I put a lot on the line for them, and they put a lot on the line for me.

01:22:17.000 And sometimes people, like a lot of people come to me and they're like, I know I don't do what you do.

01:22:21.000 It's like, no, I'm supposed to do what I'm supposed to do.

01:22:24.000 And that's what I was saying to you before.

01:22:26.000 You've figured out what you're supposed to do, and you're so tremendous at it.

01:22:29.000 It makes the kettle drums in my heart go, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

01:22:33.000 Joe Rogan, la, la.

01:22:35.000 Dun, dun, [... 1.00

01:22:46.000 That's why you fuckers got a few bucks. 1.00

01:22:49.000 Buy me a kettle drum. 1.00

01:22:50.000 Okay.

01:22:51.000 We'll get you a kettle drum.

01:22:52.000 I'm going to have one shipped to upstate New York. 1.00

01:22:53.000 Going to take it on the fucking back of a 500-pound pig. 1.00

01:22:57.000 That's right. 1.00

01:22:57.000 Carried it into a town down a dirt road. 1.00

01:23:01.000 So...

01:23:01.000 But my point is, are you going to tour?

01:23:04.000 Yes, I will.

01:23:05.000 And I will tell you, and you will pass it along to your people. 0.92

01:23:08.000 Is there a website that people can find out about what you're doing?

01:23:10.000 BarryCrimmage.com just got completely renovated by my friends at Slab Media, Jim Infantino, Catherine Infantino in Boston.

01:23:18.000 Today, we just launched the cleaned-up modern version of the website, because I had a wood-burning website before this.

01:23:27.000 And it has a calendar where people, look at that.

01:23:28.000 They will. 1.00

01:23:29.000 Sexy bitch. 1.00

01:23:29.000 Oh, there you go! 1.00

01:23:30.000 Dun-dun [...

01:23:49.000 Right, right, right.

01:23:49.000 So they played right into it.

01:23:51.000 For once, it came into my wheelhouse.

01:23:53.000 Stephen Wright would have been the awesome.

01:23:55.000 Mitch Hedberg.

01:23:56.000 Mitch Hedberg and Stephen Wright.

01:23:57.000 Do you know what Stephen did when he was using Twitter a lot?

01:24:02.000 He wrote a book.

01:24:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:24:04.000 He was writing a book. 0.99

01:24:05.000 What a funny prick. 0.98

01:24:06.000 Read a book on Twitter, 140 characters at a time. 0.98

01:24:09.000 Imagine getting to know him for all these years.

01:24:11.000 I mean, he's like one of my dearest friends.

01:24:13.000 We don't see each other that often when we do.

01:24:16.000 It's just like, talk about just picking right up from where you were the last time.

01:24:21.000 And he came up and saw me out of nowhere.

01:24:23.000 That's why he knew in the movie, you know, when he says in the movie, it's like if Thoreau had a computer, because he was there.

01:24:31.000 I mean, he drove out to see me from Massachusetts just because he kind of wanted to get some context.

01:24:37.000 And, you know, Stephen, he's so honest.

01:24:41.000 He's like, I'm so glad now in my head I know where you are.

01:24:45.000 It's just so great.

01:24:47.000 So he's back in Boston?

01:24:48.000 Stephen Wright is?

01:24:49.000 Well, he lives there.

01:24:50.000 But he goes out and does as many dates as he wants.

01:24:54.000 He lives in Massachusetts.

01:24:55.000 I'm not sure.

01:24:56.000 He lives kind of on 120. I don't want to say exactly where he lives, but it's up near the...

01:25:03.000 Not that far if you went to one of them.

01:25:05.000 Because he pissed off the Juggalos. 1.00

01:25:07.000 Did he?

01:25:08.000 No.

01:25:08.000 I keep hearing about the jungle.

01:25:10.000 I did the gathering.

01:25:12.000 How was it?

01:25:13.000 It was as horrible as you'd imagine.

01:25:16.000 Yeah, I would imagine it would be amazing.

01:25:17.000 It was insane.

01:25:18.000 It was insane.

01:25:19.000 There's no security.

01:25:20.000 There's no lights.

01:25:22.000 There's no...

01:25:22.000 Just people selling bath salts and fighting and...

01:25:28.000 There's a video of a girl just pulling down her pants and a bunch of guys just fucking her. 0.99

01:25:33.000 Have you seen that one? 1.00

01:25:34.000 Well...

01:25:34.000 It's probably just one video of many.

01:25:36.000 The Tila tequila footage where they ran out of Faygo to throw at her.

01:25:43.000 Because they spray each other with Faygo Cola. 0.99

01:25:46.000 So they just knocked over the outhouses and just started throwing human shit at her. 0.99

01:25:52.000 I stress human because... 0.99

01:25:54.000 Like, if you and I were walking on the street and you picked up some dog poo and hit me with it, I'd be mad, but later on we'd be pals.

01:26:01.000 We'd laugh it off. 1.00

01:26:02.000 I'd go, dude, what the fuck? 1.00

01:26:03.000 You hit me with dog shit. 1.00

01:26:04.000 But, you know, if it was like Hobo Duke, that would be a deal breaker. 1.00

01:26:08.000 We wouldn't be pals anymore. 1.00

01:26:10.000 Juggalo shit in that blue liquid. 1.00

01:26:12.000 Hobo Duke! 1.00

01:26:13.000 The Hobo Dukes.

01:26:15.000 That's the new band.

01:26:16.000 Old Hobo Dukes.

01:26:16.000 The Hobo Dukes.

01:26:17.000 Tonight with Hitler's Jism. 0.96

01:26:20.000 So, my opening act was Up Chuck the Clown, and he's driving me around the grounds in a golf cart, and the juggalos are getting out of the way, like, who are the millionaires?

01:26:32.000 So, this juggalo... 0.97

01:26:36.000 Runs up, runs alongside the golf cart, and then just starts punching the fuck out of Upchuck. 0.99

01:26:41.000 Oh, that's right. 0.97

01:26:42.000 You talked about it on the podcast.

01:26:43.000 It was a drive-by beating.

01:26:44.000 He just started whaling on him. 1.00

01:26:45.000 And he's like, fuck you, Upchuck. 1.00

01:26:47.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:26:48.000 You know what really frosted my cake in this whole exchange? 1.00

01:26:52.000 I remember he was saying, you got nothing to worry about.

01:26:55.000 This is like a Dave Matthews concert.

01:26:57.000 And then he gets punched. 0.95

01:27:00.000 That's object to clown music? 0.75

01:27:02.000 With Jimmy Walker and Ron Jeremy. 1.00

01:27:04.000 Holy fuck Christ. 0.99

01:27:06.000 Yeah, that's Joel. 1.00

01:27:07.000 And, um...

01:27:08.000 No, but, like, the idea that, like, I'll talk to Bobcat in a language he can understand.

01:27:12.000 It's like a Dave Matthews concert.

01:27:14.000 I'm like, I wouldn't go see Dave Matthews.

01:27:16.000 I think he's trying to say it's safe.

01:27:18.000 It's chill.

01:27:19.000 Yeah.

01:27:20.000 Dave Matthews conscious.

01:27:21.000 You know what?

01:27:21.000 I got to say this.

01:27:22.000 Krav, they were really nice.

01:27:23.000 But then Upchuck got hit in the head with a can of Faygo.

01:27:28.000 And they kind of slumped over the steering wheel unconscious.

01:27:32.000 And he's like, steer!

01:27:34.000 And so... 0.93

01:27:35.000 He wakes up, and I'm steering with a semi-conscious clown. 0.91

01:27:40.000 Oh, my God.

01:27:41.000 I still can't get you to repeat.

01:27:43.000 I don't think I remember that game show story from Australia.

01:27:46.000 Oh, I can't remember that story.

01:27:48.000 I kept hitting this woman's buzzer. 1.00

01:27:52.000 I was on a game show.

01:27:53.000 And you go, Sophie!

01:27:57.000 I didn't touch the buzzer!

01:27:58.000 He keeps hitting my buzzer.

01:28:00.000 I go, hey, lady, if you're going to lose, just lose.

01:28:02.000 Don't drag me into this.

01:28:04.000 Sophie! 0.80

01:28:05.000 We're good.

01:28:08.000 Oh, man.

01:28:09.000 Wow.

01:28:10.000 Hey, it's great for a Friday night here.

01:28:11.000 Unfortunately, it's Thursday, right?

01:28:12.000 What day is this?

01:28:13.000 I love that you don't know what day it is.

01:28:16.000 I never know.

01:28:16.000 Thursday.

01:28:17.000 Yeah.

01:28:18.000 Thursday.

01:28:18.000 I never know unless I have gigs.

01:28:20.000 I have two gigs tonight.

01:28:22.000 You got two gigs?

01:28:23.000 Yeah.

01:28:23.000 Should we be wrapping this up?

01:28:25.000 Yeah, I got one at the W and I got one at the Comedy Store.

01:28:28.000 What time are you on at the Comedy Store?

01:28:30.000 10.45.

01:28:32.000 Okay.

01:28:33.000 Can you get me in, man? 1.00

01:28:34.000 Fuck yeah, brother. 1.00

01:28:35.000 Don't worry about it. 1.00

01:28:36.000 Come on down. 0.94

01:28:37.000 Keep drinking.

01:28:38.000 I'll take a little nap.

01:28:40.000 We'll wheel you in.

01:28:41.000 No, you know what?

01:28:41.000 This is the end of the tour, not to mention any other films.

01:28:44.000 I understand.

01:28:45.000 This is like the 100th interview in 10 days or something.

01:28:48.000 I can only imagine.

01:28:49.000 I thought it was about you, Ray Barry.

01:28:52.000 It's unfortunate.

01:28:52.000 You have to do press for these things, but it's kind of a part of the thing, right?

01:28:55.000 No, it's important, and I'm thrilled, and I'm so...

01:28:59.000 Again, how much... 0.99

01:29:02.000 I mean, we just named the movie the right thing, because just look at what this fucking guy has done for me. 0.98

01:29:07.000 And he's also had a sort of... 0.98

01:29:10.000 And there's times when I've milked the fact that I'm watching him treat me with kid gloves, and I'm going like, you know, I may let this go on.

01:29:17.000 So August 7th, it's going to be this Friday, and that'll be all across the country?

01:29:25.000 No, no, it'll be in New York.

01:29:27.000 It'll probably show you if you keep scrolling.

01:29:29.000 New York, D.C., Austin, here in L.A. Oh, there it goes.

01:29:35.000 There's the...

01:29:36.000 Santa Ana.

01:29:36.000 IFC, New York.

01:29:37.000 Santa Ana.

01:29:38.000 Beverly Hills.

01:29:39.000 Washington, Angelica, Papa.

01:29:40.000 Vegas.

01:29:41.000 Yeah, okay, so it's all callmeluckymovie.com.

01:29:45.000 It's all available on the website.

01:29:49.000 We drop our T's in upstate New York.

01:29:53.000 I understand.

01:29:54.000 It's going to be available up there, too.

01:29:56.000 Look at that, stitches.

01:29:57.000 Powerful stitches.

01:29:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:59.000 That's where I did my first open mic.

01:30:00.000 Really?

01:30:01.000 Yeah.

01:30:01.000 Who hosted?

01:30:03.000 Jonathan Katz.

01:30:04.000 Oh, wow.

01:30:04.000 Yeah.

01:30:05.000 Yeah, it was pretty cool.

01:30:06.000 Good old John.

01:30:06.000 Love that guy.

01:30:07.000 He's in the movie?

01:30:08.000 Yeah.

01:30:08.000 Yes, he is.

01:30:10.000 When is it going to be available, like on iTunes and all that stuff?

01:30:12.000 It will become, like, it'll be on...

01:30:14.000 Netflix, the whole deal.

01:30:15.000 I think Netflix, yeah.

01:30:16.000 You know, most of my...

01:30:18.000 Actually, all my movies end up on digital platforms, so unlike that...

01:30:32.000 Willow Creek was good.

01:30:35.000 Did it do well?

01:30:36.000 It did well for me.

01:30:37.000 It actually helped.

01:30:38.000 The same company that put that out said, when I said, hey, I want to make a movie about this guy, and it's about his child abuse, they were going, fine.

01:30:48.000 It was really cool.

01:30:49.000 Wow.

01:30:50.000 So Robin had given us the money to start the beginning of it, and then MPI, they were cool, man.

01:30:56.000 They were very supportive of what I do.

01:30:59.000 That's awesome.

01:31:00.000 Barry Crimmins, it's been an honor.

01:31:02.000 Thank you, sir.

01:31:03.000 Thanks for being here.

01:31:03.000 Thanks for being you.

01:31:05.000 You, unbelievable.

01:31:06.000 I'm so honored to be on your show, Bob.

01:31:09.000 First interview I got hammered at, and out of a hundred, I apologize. 0.94

01:31:14.000 I fucking apologize, but I was going to do it somewhere. 0.96

01:31:18.000 I thought he was going to say, Bob, I've had it. 0.99

01:31:20.000 Don't apologize.

01:31:21.000 No more movies.

01:31:22.000 Go cram it. 1.00

01:31:23.000 You can take that sequel and shove it up your ass. 1.00

01:31:26.000 Now I'm hammered, and I'm not hammered, but I'm, you know. 1.00

01:31:29.000 You're up there a little bit.

01:31:29.000 I love you, man.

01:31:31.000 And thanks. 0.98

01:31:32.000 You're the fucking greatest. 0.98

01:31:35.000 You're a beautiful person, Bob. 1.00

01:31:37.000 Honestly, a fucking act of friendship is one thing. 0.99

01:31:43.000 A documentary of it is quite another. 0.97

01:31:45.000 Thank you very much.

01:31:46.000 I love you, brother, and I'm most appreciative.

01:31:49.000 And thank you so much for having me on, Joe.

01:31:50.000 And I hope I get to come back and hang around and see what we fucking skip off on. 0.56

01:31:54.000 Absolutely. 0.83

01:31:55.000 Anytime.

01:31:56.000 Anytime.

01:31:56.000 Come on back.

01:31:57.000 I'm so proud to know you.

01:31:58.000 My honor, sir.

01:31:59.000 Thank you so much.

01:31:59.000 Thank you very much.

01:32:00.000 All right, everybody.

01:32:01.000 We will be back.

01:32:03.000 What's today?

01:32:03.000 Thursday?

01:32:05.000 Wednesday?

01:32:06.000 Thursday?

01:32:06.000 We'll be back tomorrow.

01:32:07.000 All right.

01:32:08.000 Love you guys.

01:32:08.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 06, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #679 - Barry Crimmins & Bobcat Goldthwait

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