The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #712 - Wim Hof

00:00:01.000 And boom, we're live.

00:00:03.000 You're here.

00:00:04.000 Thanks.

00:00:04.000 A wolf t-shirt on, nonetheless.

00:00:07.000 Yes.

00:00:09.000 Endurance, you know.

00:00:10.000 Is that what it is?

00:00:10.000 Yeah, something.

00:00:11.000 I bought it this morning.

00:00:13.000 I thought it's of the Lakota Indians in Venice Beach.

00:00:18.000 Venice Beach, Lakota Indians, they're probably not legit. 1.00

00:00:22.000 Probably.

00:00:23.000 They're probably from Pakistan or something.

00:00:24.000 Yeah, probably, but the symbol, it symbolizes endurance, but not, you know, not physical endurance, that stuff.

00:00:33.000 But more like believing.

00:00:36.000 You have a very fascinating life, my friend, and you have done some amazing things.

00:00:42.000 I've been paying attention to you for the last couple months pretty intensely, and leading up to this podcast, I've been researching you a lot.

00:00:51.000 First of all, I want to know, how did all this get started?

00:00:54.000 For people who don't know who you are, you've accomplished a ton of world records.

00:00:59.000 You've endured things that most people think may be physically impossible.

00:01:04.000 You've proven they're possible.

00:01:05.000 You've shown that you can alter your immune system on demand.

00:01:09.000 You can regulate levels of stress hormones that people thought were unable to be controlled by the human mind.

00:01:19.000 We're autonomous and you're doing this all like on your own.

00:01:23.000 I've never heard of anybody else doing this.

00:01:24.000 First of all, how did you get started in this and What led you to this?

00:01:30.000 Yes Like many Probably I was in a soul search and I visited many countries traditions languages esoteric disciplines and also like you,

00:01:45.000 you know karate and kung-fu and yoga and But also the dervish, the Sufi, Buddhism, all kinds of traditions and disciplines, but it could not really fulfill me in the depth.

00:02:01.000 A certain day, it was a Sunday, I was attracted to cold water.

00:02:08.000 I don't know why, but because I was seeking already for years, you have a charge within you.

00:02:15.000 You always keep on looking, searching, seeking.

00:02:20.000 And at that moment I felt the attraction and I knew I'm going to go in, you know, ice water.

00:02:26.000 And it only took me 30 seconds or one minute, it took, but I felt this is it.

00:02:35.000 This is able to connect me with the depth of my physiology, the way nature has meant it to be.

00:02:43.000 So it felt too good.

00:02:45.000 I felt connected.

00:02:47.000 This is not something you were drawn to before?

00:02:50.000 Not really.

00:02:51.000 Per accident.

00:02:53.000 I was more conscious at that moment.

00:02:56.000 And from there I began to do it every day.

00:03:00.000 17 years old I was then.

00:03:03.000 That's about 38 years ago.

00:03:06.000 And from there I began to do it on daily, you know, every day.

00:03:12.000 And this is in Holland?

00:03:13.000 This is in the Netherlands.

00:03:15.000 It's cold water.

00:03:16.000 It's cold water.

00:03:17.000 Water transmits the temperature like 25 times more than the air.

00:03:24.000 But I returned the other day and the other day because I felt so good.

00:03:30.000 I felt connected.

00:03:32.000 And it's all about the connection within which I was looking for, the depth, which I could not find in books.

00:03:42.000 I read about hundreds of books on philosophy, on religion, on esoteric disciplines, all kinds of books, you know, searching, searching, searching.

00:03:53.000 But the answer is not in the head.

00:03:56.000 The answer is in the body and the brain together.

00:04:00.000 And cold water triggered this.

00:04:03.000 And then from there on, the cold water at a certain point, when you do it regularly, you become conscious your breathing pattern is going to change.

00:04:13.000 Because you got to be more effective.

00:04:16.000 You need more oxygen to withstand the impact of the cold.

00:04:21.000 And that needs oxygen.

00:04:22.000 It needs combustion in the cell.

00:04:25.000 And feeling it, I was doing that.

00:04:28.000 And I changed my breathing pattern.

00:04:30.000 And when I changed my breathing pattern, it's when the magic began.

00:04:35.000 Then I began to see, you know, lights by manipulating the breathing differently.

00:04:41.000 Seeing lights?

00:04:42.000 Like how so?

00:04:43.000 Yeah.

00:04:44.000 In the yoga, they call it the chakras.

00:04:48.000 In Chinese, they call it the qi, the qi, and so forth.

00:04:54.000 I found out that this was very possible in a very short period of time.

00:05:01.000 And this is nothing someone showed you how to do?

00:05:03.000 This is something you figured out on your own?

00:05:05.000 The cold is my only master.

00:05:07.000 The cold is my only teacher.

00:05:10.000 When you say you altered your breathing patterns, what do you mean exactly?

00:05:16.000 When I went in at a certain point, I knew how to be very relaxed going in, then let the cold impact go within, and then begin breathing deeper.

00:05:32.000 And then a certain dance between the cold and your breath begins to start up, begins to charge your body.

00:05:42.000 And after 25 breaths like that, Very conscious in the cold.

00:05:50.000 The cold is a force and it has its impact.

00:05:53.000 And you go along with the cold and what it does on the physiology, and you use your breathing.

00:06:01.000 Now I know what happens physiologically, but then, those days, it was all by feeling.

00:06:06.000 What does happen physiologically?

00:06:08.000 You become fully charged.

00:06:11.000 The carbon dioxide goes out.

00:06:14.000 O2 begins to roam freely throughout the body and fills up every cell.

00:06:21.000 And the pH levels go up.

00:06:24.000 When you say you altered your breathing, what you're showing me here is just breathing in and breathing out.

00:06:29.000 What's specifically different about that than normal breathing?

00:06:33.000 The way I used it was after 25 breaths.

00:06:39.000 It was so fully charged.

00:06:44.000 I could stay like five to seven minutes under the ice.

00:06:48.000 Every time.

00:06:49.000 Very controlled.

00:06:50.000 And that means that there is not only a whole lot of oxygen inside the body, but the pH levels go up.

00:06:59.000 Now, later on I began to understand by science, by thinking about it and deducting and all that.

00:07:08.000 I saw that we are able to tap into the brainstem, the adrenaline.

00:07:16.000 We showed lying in bed, people producing more adrenaline.

00:07:21.000 Now I know how to show it to people just in a couple of days.

00:07:25.000 That means every listener right now is able to do that.

00:07:29.000 So we have proven this scientifically.

00:07:32.000 And it showed that people lying in bed were able to produce more adrenaline than somebody in fear going for its first bungee jump.

00:07:42.000 Bungee jump.

00:07:44.000 But I'm still confused as to how you're doing anything differently other than deep breathing.

00:07:49.000 You're taking a deep breathe in and a deep breathe out.

00:07:52.000 No, we retent from breathing after exhalation.

00:07:57.000 Retent? 0.59

00:07:58.000 We stop breathing after exhalation.

00:08:01.000 Once.

00:08:01.000 Breathe in.

00:08:02.000 Show me the method.

00:08:03.000 If you go with me 30 times.

00:08:08.000 Okay.

00:08:10.000 Let go.

00:08:11.000 Fully in.

00:08:13.000 Once again.

00:08:14.000 Fully in.

00:08:15.000 Letting go.

00:08:18.000 Right on.

00:08:19.000 Fully in.

00:08:20.000 But letting go.

00:08:22.000 Not fully out.

00:08:23.000 Just letting go.

00:08:24.000 But fully in.

00:08:27.000 Once again.

00:08:28.000 And once again.

00:08:30.000 Come on.

00:08:30.000 Don't hesitate.

00:08:31.000 Give it.

00:08:34.000 It's about changing the chemistry right now in your body.

00:08:38.000 So I'm breathing in...

00:08:39.000 You become lightheaded.

00:08:41.000 And at a certain point, you're so fully charged and the pH levels go to a very high level, you're able to stay without air in the lung for minutes.

00:08:55.000 Just keep on.

00:08:56.000 Feeling is understanding.

00:08:59.000 Go on.

00:09:01.000 And deeply in.

00:09:02.000 Letting go.

00:09:04.000 Deeply in.

00:09:05.000 Letting go.

00:09:10.000 10 times more.

00:09:11.000 Deeply in.

00:09:12.000 Letting go.

00:09:14.000 Deeply in.

00:09:15.000 Letting go.

00:09:16.000 I'm gonna time it.

00:09:18.000 Letting go.

00:09:19.000 Deeply in.

00:09:21.000 Let him go.

00:09:22.000 Give it fully.

00:09:23.000 Take him in.

00:09:24.000 Let him go.

00:09:25.000 Take him in.

00:09:26.000 Let him go.

00:09:28.000 Take him in.

00:09:30.000 Let him go.

00:09:31.000 No hesitation.

00:09:32.000 I do this with the ovary as well.

00:09:35.000 And he feels wonderful.

00:09:39.000 Take him in.

00:09:40.000 Fully let him go.

00:09:45.000 Okay, five times more.

00:09:47.000 Deeply in.

00:09:49.000 Letting go.

00:09:50.000 Deeply in.

00:09:52.000 Letting go.

00:09:53.000 Deeply in.

00:09:55.000 Letting go.

00:09:55.000 Two times more.

00:10:00.000 Letting go and stop.

00:10:03.000 Just stop.

00:10:05.000 Witness.

00:10:06.000 Without air in the lungs, you are able to stay much more than normally.

00:10:15.000 Why?

00:10:16.000 Because we change your chemistry.

00:10:19.000 Carbon dioxide went out, O2 went up, filled up all the cells and the pH levels go up.

00:10:27.000 Then we are able to tap into the central nervous system and at the end we got the brainstem.

00:10:34.000 And that's the place of the pineal gland, hypothalamus, pituitary gland. 0.99

00:10:39.000 And the pineal gland makes the secretion of adrenaline in dangerous situations.

00:10:45.000 Normally we do not get into it because of our shallow breathing.

00:10:51.000 But this is the way to get into the The most primitive part, the reptilian brain, without many difficulties, and fend off bacteria, getting better into the endocrine systems.

00:11:05.000 We'll talk about it later.

00:11:07.000 You're past 1.10 in minutes, and you're still on.

00:11:14.000 That shows that the capacity to fill yourself up with oxygen is a lot more than we normally use.

00:11:22.000 And as we do not use it, we are not making use of the full capacity of our physiology.

00:11:29.000 Now we found out we got a different layers, and we never use it.

00:11:34.000 And this is the way to learn to use it, to tap in and bang, into the primitive brain, into the endocrine systems, immune systems, the way nature has meant it to be.

00:11:45.000 Everybody is able to do it.

00:11:48.000 145. And this is only round one.

00:11:50.000 If we would do like three rounds, you would go to three minutes, four minutes.

00:11:54.000 Without air.

00:11:56.000 Without training.

00:11:57.000 It only shows the capacity to store up oxygen inside.

00:12:02.000 We never use that.

00:12:04.000 You're doing great.

00:12:06.000 He's doing already 2.5, almost 2.10.

00:12:10.000 Whenever you feel the urge to breathe, you don't need to force.

00:12:14.000 It's only learning how to oxygenize the body and all the cells.

00:12:19.000 You're going great, man.

00:12:21.000 Nice one.

00:12:22.000 Feels good, huh?

00:12:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's okay.

00:12:27.000 2.30.

00:12:30.000 Yeah, when you feel the urge to breathe, you breathe in fully and keep it for 10-15 seconds.

00:12:36.000 Then that's one round.

00:12:38.000 Fully in and keep it.

00:12:40.000 And now you press your belly. 0.89

00:12:46.000 The neck and then the head.

00:12:49.000 And now you are able to tap into the brainstem.

00:12:54.000 Yeah, that's it!

00:12:57.000 If we would do it again, you would...

00:13:00.000 You know, supplement...

00:13:02.000 I got very light-headed.

00:13:02.000 It was interesting.

00:13:03.000 Yeah, of course, that's right.

00:13:04.000 In the breathing, the breathing in part.

00:13:05.000 Sure, sure.

00:13:06.000 So, to explain to people at home, what I'm doing is I'm breathing in all the way, as deeply as I can, but I'm not breathing out all the way.

00:13:13.000 Yeah.

00:13:14.000 I'm just breathing out a little bit.

00:13:16.000 And then I'm breathing in more, and I'm just breathing out a little bit.

00:13:18.000 I'm breathing in more, and I'm breathing out a little bit.

00:13:21.000 Yes.

00:13:22.000 If you breathe in completely, you get all the oxygen possible inside.

00:13:27.000 If you just let it go, Then you get it to where the exchange of the gases happen.

00:13:34.000 And this is the way best to oxygenize the body.

00:13:41.000 So, it's a different way to get into the chemistry of the body, and we have shown this.

00:13:47.000 That's one of the fascinating things. 0.99

00:13:49.000 If people are listening to this, go, this guy's fucking crazy. 1.00

00:13:52.000 Yeah, absolutely. 1.00

00:13:54.000 You're definitely crazy. 1.00

00:13:55.000 Crazy about life and my wife. 1.00

00:13:56.000 In a beautiful way.

00:13:58.000 In a beautiful way.

00:13:59.000 I know, I know.

00:13:59.000 What you've done is you've...

00:14:02.000 You've allowed scientists to test you every step of the way and you've proven that all this is true.

00:14:07.000 When we're saying these things, I mean, these are things that have been studied at universities.

00:14:12.000 What was the university in Holland?

00:14:14.000 Radboud University.

00:14:15.000 Radboud.

00:14:16.000 And they injected you with an endotoxin?

00:14:20.000 Endotoxin, yes.

00:14:21.000 To prove that you can auto-regulate your immune system.

00:14:26.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:14:27.000 Normally it's a controlled experiment and they did it with thousands of people already and nobody was able to control to the depth of the immune system.

00:14:40.000 Because the endotoxin provokes a response in the immune system, you become feverish, you get headaches, all over agony, uncontrolled shivering, vomiting, you know, things like that happen.

00:14:55.000 But the people I trained, first I did it myself, then they said, yeah, but you are the Iceman, you are an exception on the rule, and you confirmed the rule because of this.

00:15:06.000 No, I said, anybody can do this.

00:15:09.000 Why would they say that you confirm the rule?

00:15:11.000 If they have a rule and one person can do something different, then the rule doesn't work.

00:15:15.000 It's not a rule anymore.

00:15:17.000 That's absolutely true between us, but in science it only works, it's only validated if it is a group who is doing it.

00:15:25.000 Right, but how many in the group are doing your method?

00:15:28.000 That's the thing.

00:15:29.000 When they test normal people on things, the amount of people that are doing what you're doing and trying these kind of experiments and going under ice and breathing the way you're breathing, it's almost none.

00:15:42.000 Worldwide.

00:15:43.000 I mean, I'm sure more people now are inspired to do it because of you, but so I don't understand how they could say that you confirm the rule because you don't, you know, it doesn't apply to you.

00:15:54.000 Yeah, that's a saying, you know, the exception confirms the rule.

00:15:58.000 That's a Dutch saying.

00:16:00.000 So I told them, yes, I'm the Iceman, I got so much experience, I did so many challenges on records, but no.

00:16:08.000 The thing, my mission is to show that everybody is able to tap in their physiology a lot deeper just in a couple of days.

00:16:18.000 And it has been shown, 12 people in a comparative study, 12 people been instructed and 12 people non-instructed.

00:16:26.000 The non-instructed people got to be sick, all of them, and the instructed people, all of them, were not sick.

00:16:35.000 Now this endotoxin, what exactly is the endotoxin?

00:16:38.000 The endotoxin is a part of a bacteria and the immune system recognizes it as a negative intruder.

00:16:49.000 So that's why it is a controlled experiment.

00:16:54.000 And this is the way they inject it, and they try to learn about the immune system, the endocrine systems, by doing this controlled experiments on many, many people all over in the world.

00:17:07.000 Now, prior to doing this, what made you think that you could do this?

00:17:10.000 Like, what convinced you that you could actually regulate your immune system to react to a response that was injected into your body like that?

00:17:19.000 Now you're talking too.

00:17:21.000 Now we begin to talk.

00:17:23.000 Like 25 years ago, I already stated and told everybody the autonomic nervous system and the immune systems related to the autonomic nervous system can be influenced.

00:17:36.000 The autonomic nervous system will be no longer autonomic.

00:17:40.000 And that's what I told.

00:17:42.000 Many people mocked me because of it.

00:17:44.000 And they told me negatively that I was crazy and all that.

00:17:48.000 See, 25 years ago you were in your 20s then.

00:17:51.000 No, no, no.

00:17:53.000 Yeah, thirties.

00:17:54.000 Okay.

00:17:55.000 How old are you now?

00:17:56.000 Fifty-six.

00:17:57.000 Okay.

00:17:58.000 Yeah, fifty-six.

00:18:01.000 But then, I told it then, and now it's scientifically proven.

00:18:06.000 Yeah.

00:18:08.000 Why?

00:18:09.000 Because inside I know.

00:18:11.000 So you're this thirty-one year old guy, and you have this idea in your head that you can control your immune system.

00:18:19.000 Yes.

00:18:20.000 What gave you this thought that you could do this?

00:18:23.000 You know, in the beginning, when I was 17 years old, as the story began, I went into the cold and it just felt good.

00:18:33.000 I felt connection.

00:18:34.000 After years of searching, then you have a certain kind of knowledge, you know, from the inside also, the gut feeling and intuition, and that's more than what we think.

00:18:47.000 And this is not a reaction to how your body felt when you got out of the water, like you're saying, hmm, I feel like I get less sick, I feel like I'm healthier.

00:18:56.000 This is just, it was that, too.

00:18:58.000 Yes, yes.

00:18:59.000 But it was also, you felt internally that you were controlling it, like you could feel it?

00:19:04.000 Yes, yes.

00:19:05.000 Oh yeah, you get a real sense.

00:19:07.000 Listen, you are a fighter, for example.

00:19:10.000 You got opponents.

00:19:11.000 But this time, the opponent is yourself.

00:19:15.000 And you know it from the inside.

00:19:18.000 And you feel it from the inside.

00:19:21.000 And it makes you happy, it makes you strong, and it makes you healthy.

00:19:24.000 And this is what we have lost from nature.

00:19:28.000 And now it's back.

00:19:31.000 So, in a sense, what you've done is you tapped into something extremely primal by dealing with one of the most primal elements of all, which is cold.

00:19:39.000 Yes.

00:19:40.000 So, in the Vice documentary, I thought it was really fascinating, you said cold is your god.

00:19:47.000 Yes, it is.

00:19:50.000 If I had a teacher, I've never had a teacher.

00:19:53.000 That's amazing.

00:19:54.000 And no guru or mentor or saifu or anything like that.

00:20:00.000 The cold.

00:20:01.000 That's my teacher.

00:20:02.000 That's my God.

00:20:03.000 I've been dodging the cold since I was a little kid.

00:20:06.000 It's amazing.

00:20:07.000 You just felt compelled to jump into that.

00:20:11.000 Yes.

00:20:12.000 And what was... 1.00

00:20:14.000 When you're saying this to people, when you're 31 years old and you're telling people, I can control my immune system, they must have been like, you're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

00:20:21.000 Look at this guy. 0.99

00:20:22.000 He's jumping in the freezing water and he says he can control his immune system.

00:20:25.000 How did you convince people to the point...

00:20:28.000 That you got actual scientists to measure your blood, do legitimate scientific studies on you.

00:20:36.000 Was it your accomplishments?

00:20:38.000 You went, for people who don't know, you did a bunch of really unbelievable tasks.

00:20:44.000 You climbed Everest in your shorts.

00:20:47.000 Did you have shoes on when you climbed Everest?

00:20:49.000 Yes, I had to, with spikes.

00:20:51.000 Spikes, because you were climbing on ice.

00:20:53.000 Otherwise it's too slippery.

00:20:55.000 No shirt on.

00:20:57.000 No shirt on.

00:20:58.000 That's insane.

00:21:01.000 I think going to buy clothes is insane because it's like you're not challenging nature.

00:21:08.000 You can go up with a car as well.

00:21:11.000 And then you go up Everest.

00:21:14.000 Anything artificial you use in nature doesn't make you having the right connection with nature.

00:21:21.000 And what I wanted to challenge in all the challenges I did, like marathons beyond the polar circle in mid-winter and shorts, but also in the heat of the desert without drinking, We're hanging by one finger on a mile up in the air.

00:21:39.000 What?

00:21:40.000 In wintertime.

00:21:41.000 You hung by one finger a mile up in the air?

00:21:44.000 Yes, yes.

00:21:45.000 Where was this?

00:21:45.000 At the altar in Holland between two hot air balloons and then climbing between them.

00:21:51.000 And then there was a, you know, a thing, a device.

00:21:55.000 You just hooked it on with one finger?

00:21:57.000 Yes.

00:21:57.000 How long did you hang there for?

00:21:58.000 25 seconds.

00:22:00.000 Jesus Christ.

00:22:00.000 25 seconds.

00:22:01.000 With one finger?

00:22:03.000 And in wintertime.

00:22:05.000 Oh my God.

00:22:05.000 In wintertime.

00:22:06.000 You know you lose control when the blood becomes colder in the hands.

00:22:11.000 Yeah.

00:22:11.000 You lose control.

00:22:12.000 So that was the challenge.

00:22:13.000 It's mind over matter.

00:22:16.000 And I wanted to show that in all the challenges, the adaptive power of ours is enormous.

00:22:23.000 But as we are not stimulating or using that anymore, You get a neglected body and become sick or half in its potency.

00:22:35.000 It's all very illogic.

00:22:36.000 So the powers that our body has, the untapped powers that we probably had for millennia, dealing with the cold, dealing with the heat, dealing with adversity, dealing with struggle, all those powers are not being tapped into, so because of that the body just atrophies and it doesn't know what to do with itself.

00:22:54.000 Exactly.

00:22:55.000 You think that that may be also a cause of depression?

00:22:59.000 Yes.

00:23:00.000 I'm right now into new research.

00:23:03.000 As soon as I want to do research, they did research on mindfulness.

00:23:11.000 For example, mindfulness related to depression.

00:23:15.000 And I think not only me, also psychiatrists.

00:23:19.000 They saw the blood values, the markers in the blood within our study.

00:23:25.000 And most probably our method, this, what we just did.

00:23:29.000 It brings the people very much faster into controlling their endocrine system.

00:23:35.000 The endocrine system is about hormonal balances in the body and because we are not able to tap into that, We are victimized because of too much stress, or this, or the daily life, or whatever,

00:23:51.000 and we get depressed, and we are not able to get out of it.

00:23:54.000 Now, this method, because of tapping into the endocrine systems, makes you feel you are able to rebalance the hormonal disturbance in the body, creating eventually in length depression.

00:24:13.000 So, I want to research on this, because this is, my wife died in 95, Because of suicide.

00:24:21.000 I had four children with her.

00:24:23.000 I was powerless then.

00:24:24.000 My heart was broken and I had no money, no nothing.

00:24:29.000 And then this struggle and this fight began.

00:24:32.000 I'm going to prove this to the world and create a shortcut for anybody who is depressed or sick and everything.

00:24:42.000 And now we got the key.

00:24:44.000 We got the key to The endocrine systems and the immune systems.

00:24:49.000 And anybody can do this.

00:24:51.000 And because it is done by science, it's beyond speculation.

00:24:54.000 We make it a choice.

00:24:56.000 And that's why I'm on a mission.

00:24:59.000 And this mission brings me here to Joe Rogan, who's a good guy.

00:25:03.000 He's a fighter himself.

00:25:04.000 And he loves life.

00:25:06.000 And he brings it out.

00:25:08.000 And he tries people out.

00:25:09.000 I can see.

00:25:10.000 I can tell.

00:25:11.000 Try people out?

00:25:12.000 Yeah, try people out.

00:25:14.000 Who are you?

00:25:15.000 What are you doing?

00:25:16.000 And things like that.

00:25:19.000 I like it.

00:25:20.000 I love it.

00:25:22.000 And we need to do this.

00:25:23.000 Because we've got to change this world where there is no control.

00:25:26.000 I mean, we can build.

00:25:28.000 We can fly to the moon.

00:25:31.000 We can make...

00:25:32.000 This is more intelligence than the whole Apollo 13 project.

00:25:38.000 Yes?

00:25:39.000 This is the fruit of our mind.

00:25:42.000 And the power of our mind is enormous.

00:25:45.000 But now it is time to use the same power to learn to control our happiness, strength and health.

00:25:53.000 And we have shown this now.

00:25:55.000 So you feel like...

00:25:58.000 What happened with your wife, that your wife killed herself, was due to depression.

00:26:03.000 And you feel like that type of depression, the depression that a lot of people experience, is because their mind is not stimulated the way it was intended to by nature.

00:26:15.000 Is that a fair way of describing your thoughts on this?

00:26:19.000 And that we're left with a residual effect of civilization, in a way, where your mind is overwhelmed with things that really are not natural, like living in a cubicle, the stress of office life, traffic, things that aren't natural.

00:26:35.000 Exactly.

00:26:35.000 We are living toward the system, but it should be going around.

00:26:40.000 The system, once again, should serve our happiness, strength, and health.

00:26:46.000 And now we have proof that we are able to tap into the endocrine systems and the immune system far deeper.

00:26:55.000 So we got to try this and it is natural.

00:26:58.000 Anybody can do this in just a couple of days.

00:27:01.000 Right now we are in the third year of the university books here in America.

00:27:07.000 Testing the Iceman.

00:27:08.000 It's not about me anymore.

00:27:10.000 It's about the comparative study.

00:27:12.000 And then it tells the endocrine systems and the immune systems.

00:27:17.000 And it only takes one guy.

00:27:20.000 It's endurance.

00:27:23.000 You know, believe that we are able to tap in deeper into our physiology, thus enabling the person to direct his hormonal secretions.

00:27:39.000 Strength, for example, lying in bed, as we told already, producing, lying in bed.

00:27:45.000 There's no rhinoceros coming to that guy.

00:27:48.000 No, he's at ease.

00:27:49.000 And he controls completely the stress hormone.

00:27:53.000 And a controlled stress hormone works like medicine.

00:27:57.000 A non-controlled stress hormone works in the end acidic.

00:28:01.000 And that becomes no good.

00:28:04.000 We are victimized because we have no control in daily life anymore, but the stress is there.

00:28:09.000 So the stress is there, but there's no physical exertion.

00:28:12.000 Yes.

00:28:13.000 And that's why they've shown tests that in many cases exercise can be just as good as antidepressants, just as good as medication for people who are depressed.

00:28:22.000 Which totally makes sense if what you're saying is right.

00:28:25.000 It totally makes sense that your body like has a desire to exert itself and it is a built-in system that's designed to deal with certain natural stresses running from predators dealing with the cold and dealing with weather and climate and And nature and the adversities of the environment as far as like challenging yourself climbing hills and exerting yourself.

00:28:49.000 We don't do that that much and because of that that's what you think leads to this dis-ease of the brain.

00:28:56.000 Yes and you know for many people who are depressed they are quite unable to Get into the body and begin to run and things like that.

00:29:09.000 It's the brain.

00:29:11.000 And we are going to solve this by very easy techniques.

00:29:16.000 Instead of them having to run because their environment is really pressing upon them, they feel completely immobilized.

00:29:25.000 But if you are able to tap into the brain and let them make feel the change, that he is changing the chemistry of the brain, Then he becomes a different person much faster.

00:29:40.000 But I'm subject to science and I want more research on this and soon we have the outcomes and then we will tackle this problem with depression.

00:29:53.000 It's related to the endocrine systems and having no connection with it.

00:29:59.000 Normally the hypothalamus in our primitive brain, the brain stem, is not under our control.

00:30:08.000 But these breathing techniques, deriving from being in the cold so much, they are very effective, not only in the cold, which is stress, But also in the heat, also for a predator, also on Mount Everest where there is a lack of oxygen outside,

00:30:25.000 and also for daily stress.

00:30:28.000 What was the first one of these experiments that you tried to do to try to show the effectiveness of your methods?

00:30:37.000 I was at the physiological department in the same university, different department, and that's the cold physiological department.

00:30:47.000 And I stood there for 80 minutes in a tank full of ice.

00:30:53.000 For 80 minutes.

00:30:55.000 Fully connected to wires.

00:30:58.000 Blood was taken.

00:31:00.000 So you're just covered in ice?

00:31:02.000 Covered in ice.

00:31:02.000 I've seen the pictures of it, it looks insane.

00:31:05.000 Except for this arm, because the blood was taken away from it.

00:31:11.000 And you know what they saw.

00:31:14.000 And I was talking to these people, to these professors, because I was very much in control.

00:31:23.000 And they saw the core temperature even rising while I was inside.

00:31:28.000 Your core temperature was rising while you're covered in ice for 80 minutes?

00:31:31.000 Yes, yes.

00:31:32.000 You see how much power we have.

00:31:35.000 You know how much power cold can be.

00:31:38.000 But how much more power we are able to learn to control?

00:31:43.000 And that the blood taken from me while I was in the tank, I got a few remarkable results.

00:31:52.000 One is, the blood taken, it was exposed to endotoxin afterwards, but in a laboratory, without me, ex vivo it's called, and they saw Normally, it has a very violent reaction on the immune cells in the glass of the laboratory.

00:32:15.000 And this time, 0%, 100% suppression.

00:32:21.000 And that's my blood.

00:32:22.000 100%.

00:32:23.000 100%.

00:32:24.000 So the endotoxin just gets squashed the moment it gets in there.

00:32:27.000 And that's the bacteria. 0.88

00:32:28.000 Yeah.

00:32:29.000 And that's the immune system. 0.88

00:32:30.000 And that's the way we are actually built to be able to.

00:32:35.000 And that was one thing.

00:32:38.000 Another remarkable thing.

00:32:40.000 Before, I was going into the tank.

00:32:43.000 They took blood from me as well.

00:32:45.000 And this blood was looked upon, into it, by a microscope, and they saw 300% more metabolic activity in the cell without moving.

00:33:04.000 That's the mind.

00:33:06.000 My mind was already into, I go inside that one, in that box.

00:33:12.000 I need to do 80 minutes.

00:33:14.000 I program up to cell level what I'm about to do.

00:33:20.000 I need more energy because energy is needed to withstand the impact of the cold.

00:33:28.000 So I control my body by my mind, and that's all of us.

00:33:32.000 And this mind then makes the connection with the hypothalamus, which is the brainstem, and that is able to control the hormonal system, the immune systems, the vascular system, all the systems.

00:33:48.000 Now when you say that your metabolic rate rose 300%, is that a normal thing because of the cold?

00:33:54.000 Because that's one thing that they tell you, that it's a great way to lose calories, just dress very lightly when it's cold outside, and it forces your body to work hard to stay warm.

00:34:03.000 So it was an effect of that?

00:34:05.000 Yeah, it was.

00:34:07.000 It was.

00:34:08.000 It was, and that's also a thing about the brown fat adipose.

00:34:14.000 We got all these cells, but as we never exposed to cold anymore, it's not stimulated.

00:34:20.000 It's like a muscle.

00:34:21.000 You're not trained.

00:34:23.000 It becomes weaker.

00:34:24.000 So we got also these cells which need stimulation.

00:34:29.000 I did experiments with the brown fat adipose in the nuclear department of nuclear medical department in Maastricht, a different university.

00:34:42.000 And it showed that I had the same brown fat adipose levels as a young man, like 20 years, 15 years.

00:34:52.000 They still have it.

00:34:54.000 You get older and you wear clothes and you lose it.

00:34:58.000 It's logical, but I always expose myself to cold on a regular basis.

00:35:04.000 So, they had me exposed as well in an experiment like that, and they saw that I, with the same level or amount of brown fat adipose cells, I could produce five times more energy.

00:35:23.000 That's what they saw.

00:35:25.000 So compared to these guys, because of the breathing and influencing on cell level, I was able to do five times more.

00:35:35.000 And this could be a solution for people who have overweight, because when the fat is consumed, Which is very in the moment when you need it.

00:35:46.000 Then it gets depleted.

00:35:49.000 Then the rest of the white fat in the body is being withdrawn very systematically, very effectively, direct.

00:35:59.000 And like five times more effective.

00:36:02.000 It's maybe a solution for many people living in the West with, you know, obese problems and heart problems, vascular problems because of it, etc.

00:36:12.000 There's a type of therapy that's becoming really popular here in America called cryotherapy.

00:36:18.000 A lot of athletes use it.

00:36:19.000 And I started using it a few years ago.

00:36:22.000 A lot of people from jujitsu were telling me about this thing.

00:36:25.000 You go, you stay in this, it's a box, it's 250 degrees below zero and you do three minutes in it.

00:36:31.000 Yeah.

00:36:31.000 I do it four days a week now.

00:36:33.000 It's amazing.

00:36:34.000 It's nice.

00:36:35.000 It's amazing.

00:36:35.000 I get out of there, I feel so great.

00:36:37.000 And I had my friend, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, who's a scientist, and she explained what's happening inside of it.

00:36:45.000 And then I took her to the chamber and had her stand in the...

00:36:50.000 The cryo chamber.

00:36:50.000 And she said it was incredible when she got out of it.

00:36:53.000 She was a scientist.

00:36:55.000 She understands the body very well.

00:36:57.000 So she knew that it was raising her levels of neoprenephrine and her whole body was being stimulated by this reaction to this extreme 250 degree below zero cold.

00:37:09.000 Yes, I did it too.

00:37:12.000 Have you done the one where you get inside of it fully or the one that's just from the neck below?

00:37:17.000 Fully and up till the neck a couple of times.

00:37:21.000 Yeah, I could stay quite long inside.

00:37:24.000 I bet you could stay in there forever.

00:37:25.000 What could you go in there for?

00:37:26.000 I don't know, maybe 10 minutes or something.

00:37:30.000 But still feeling okay.

00:37:31.000 I do 3 minutes?

00:37:33.000 Yeah, 3 minutes is okay too.

00:37:34.000 I do 3 minutes and 30 seconds and I do it more than anybody in the whole place.

00:37:37.000 I can't believe you could do 10 minutes.

00:37:39.000 Yeah, you know, it's a thing with nature.

00:37:43.000 You just keep going and keep going and then you just push your boundaries.

00:37:46.000 That's it.

00:37:47.000 But it is not necessary to re-establish the right natural connection between your brain and your endocrine systems and immune systems.

00:37:58.000 Just a little bit of cold is enough to trigger the vascular system the right way.

00:38:04.000 Enabling it to work better with the nervous system and then the breathing and focus.

00:38:12.000 Your mind.

00:38:13.000 Like the mind was able, without moving, to produce 300% more metabolic activity in the cell.

00:38:21.000 That is mind.

00:38:23.000 The mind is so much able to do so much more.

00:38:27.000 And this is the quintesis.

00:38:29.000 This is the essence of what I come to tell you.

00:38:32.000 We've got to change our belief.

00:38:34.000 We gotta change the way we think.

00:38:37.000 It's like a paradigm shift.

00:38:40.000 Why?

00:38:41.000 Because we have proven with thousands and thousands of results, beyond speculation, that we are able, if we use our mind once again, Not in dependency for doctors and this and that.

00:38:56.000 No, you are able to repair yourself whenever you feel not healthy or depressed or with a loss of energy, you know, strength, happiness and health.

00:39:12.000 Then you should go in.

00:39:15.000 And breathe better.

00:39:16.000 They will re-establish the connection with the endocrine systems and immune systems and the brain together.

00:39:25.000 And then repair whatever is producing an obstacle for you to function in the world.

00:39:31.000 Maybe you are able to function in the world, but you don't feel good.

00:39:35.000 You don't feel happy and you don't feel strong.

00:39:39.000 So say if a person had a cold, a slight cold, what would you recommend they do?

00:39:45.000 I would say breathing once.

00:39:48.000 Breathing your method.

00:39:49.000 Yes.

00:39:50.000 Breathe in fully, as hard and deep as you can, and then just exhale a little bit.

00:39:54.000 And then breathe in as far as your lungs to stretch.

00:39:57.000 Yes.

00:39:57.000 How many times?

00:39:58.000 Like 20 times?

00:39:59.000 20 times.

00:39:59.000 Then take them in, and then go to the place, to the spot where you feel the cold is happening.

00:40:08.000 Could be in the throat, could be here, could be, you know, somewhere in this part.

00:40:14.000 So go in your mind to that spot.

00:40:16.000 You know what happens when I'm in the ice for an hour, for example?

00:40:21.000 Most of the times I begin to feel it, the cold, at the part of the kidneys, which is mostly on the surface, and the cold gets there, the ice.

00:40:34.000 Then I ain't got no...

00:40:36.000 There is no way I'm able to move because it's like six, seven hundred kilos of ice around me and I'm not able even to breathe very much because it's pressurizing.

00:40:50.000 What I learned is to think it a way within a minute.

00:40:55.000 Within a minute I make the difference from the brain to the kidneys and change the temperature like 10 degrees.

00:41:04.000 This is a measurable thing?

00:41:05.000 You've changed a measurable 10 degrees?

00:41:07.000 Dr. Ken Kamler, who did experiments with me.

00:41:12.000 I did records here in New York, in Florida, I don't know, a couple of places.

00:41:19.000 And while I was in the show, for example, Regis and Kelly show.

00:41:24.000 You know, the guys.

00:41:26.000 And he saw my core temperature was dropping, was dropped to 32 degrees Celsius.

00:41:37.000 I don't know, but it's far lower.

00:41:40.000 It's very low.

00:41:42.000 People are normally not able to raise the temperatures anymore.

00:41:46.000 They just go into unconsciousness and coma and things like that.

00:41:53.000 But I rose the temperature back and he said he never had seen a person do that because physiologically stated in the science books it's not possible.

00:42:06.000 And I say, you know, so much more is possible than not only connecting with your core temperature But also with the endocrine systems.

00:42:16.000 Now when you say you were raising your temperature, what was the environment that you were raising your temperature in?

00:42:21.000 You were in the water while this was happening?

00:42:23.000 Yes, in the tank.

00:42:25.000 So you were in the tank, freezing cold, and you raised your temperature from there?

00:42:29.000 Yes.

00:42:30.000 That's amazing.

00:42:32.000 No, what we are able to do.

00:42:34.000 That's amazing.

00:42:36.000 Life is amazing.

00:42:37.000 Life is a wonder.

00:42:40.000 And we have to re-experience that.

00:42:42.000 And that's the paradigm shift.

00:42:43.000 We are able to learn to control.

00:42:46.000 It needs some steady attention.

00:42:48.000 Like a baby needs attention to grow up.

00:42:51.000 We need to pay attention to ourselves again, trust ourselves again, believe.

00:42:56.000 Believing is neurotransmitters in the right way and when it connects with the body again and we got the techniques and it has been shown with thousands of results that we are able to control.

00:43:10.000 The endocrine systems, or better said, our mood, becoming happy, yes or no, serotonin, melatonin, dimethyltreptamine, and all the other hormones, we are able to tap into that system.

00:43:24.000 We have shown that.

00:43:26.000 Another one, the strength, which is adrenaline, epinephrine, norepinephrine, noreadrenaline, cortisol, and all that, we have shown.

00:43:35.000 More than somebody lying in bed than somebody going into a bunker gym.

00:43:41.000 That's strength.

00:43:42.000 And then health.

00:43:42.000 Health is the immune systems.

00:43:45.000 Learning to tap into the immune systems and like cryotherapy, as you were mentioning, it goes up to the bone marrow.

00:43:56.000 It activates these blood markers over there and people with arthritis then are able to move better again after a session like that.

00:44:08.000 But we, with these breathing techniques, we get into the bone marrow as well.

00:44:13.000 And there we have the T cells.

00:44:17.000 The T cells and the B cells.

00:44:18.000 And they are a part of the specific immune system.

00:44:22.000 And the specific immune system normally only begins to work after two weeks.

00:44:28.000 And then the body knows what kind of molecules it needs to produce to kill the intruder cell.

00:44:35.000 And it gets on the membrane, the skin of the cell, and it kills it.

00:44:41.000 Instead of inflamating the older body, it goes very specifically.

00:44:46.000 But it takes two weeks.

00:44:47.000 We do it in one quarter of an hour with this breathing.

00:44:51.000 And only with this breathing you are able to control the pH level.

00:44:57.000 And the pH level right as we are mammals.

00:45:02.000 If you look in nature, you see all these mammals.

00:45:05.000 If you take blood from them, they all have the right pH degree.

00:45:09.000 Very alkaline.

00:45:11.000 But only because we wear clothes and we live in a comfort zone.

00:45:16.000 We do not stimulate.

00:45:18.000 Thus, oxygen doesn't get as deep as it could.

00:45:23.000 You have shown this.

00:45:25.000 Two and a half minutes without air in the lungs.

00:45:28.000 That means the capacity to store up oxygen is far bigger than you normally use.

00:45:34.000 That's still pretty minor though, right?

00:45:36.000 You held your breath for seven minutes.

00:45:39.000 Is that what you did?

00:45:40.000 Yes, and under the ice.

00:45:42.000 But once again, what did you do?

00:45:47.000 You have been fighting people I never could win off.

00:45:50.000 Because I was not trained to do that.

00:45:53.000 You have trained to do that.

00:45:55.000 I trained to do this.

00:45:57.000 That's the range of possibilities.

00:46:00.000 But it's very unimportant.

00:46:03.000 We don't need to know heroes.

00:46:05.000 We need to become healthy, strong, And happy.

00:46:09.000 Does it matter whether you breathe in through your nose or in through your mouth?

00:46:13.000 Because there's a big thing in yoga, and they teach you that, and a lot of other...

00:46:17.000 In jiu-jitsu, they try to teach you to breathe in through your nose.

00:46:20.000 I wrote books on the subject before.

00:46:23.000 Now I say, doesn't matter what kind of hole you use, just get it in.

00:46:31.000 You know, these girls and these women, just tell them that. 0.98

00:46:36.000 Make a joke, but the serious thing is we got it scientifically endorsed.

00:46:40.000 No speculation.

00:46:41.000 Just do it.

00:46:42.000 It is easy, accessible, very effective.

00:46:45.000 Because the idea is when you breathe in through your mouth, it induces panic breathing.

00:46:50.000 That's what they say in jujitsu, that to keep yourself calm, you're supposed to...

00:46:57.000 You breathe in through your nose and out through your mouth.

00:46:59.000 In through your nose and out through your mouth.

00:47:00.000 And in yoga, they try to teach you to do the entire class through your nose.

00:47:04.000 You don't think it matters.

00:47:06.000 No, it doesn't matter at all.

00:47:08.000 I'm going to tell them that tomorrow.

00:47:10.000 Yeah, just do it.

00:47:12.000 In this technique, which has been shown as the first group in the world to be able to tap into the autonomic nervous system, related to the immune system and endocrine system, it shows the depth And this depth normally is a result,

00:47:29.000 maybe, of yogis who are really going into Samadhis and Dharanas and into the Kundalini up to the Sahasrara and all that, the Kumbhaka yogis.

00:47:42.000 I know all this, all the terminology.

00:47:46.000 I've been doing Sanskrit and Hindi before, but I thought it would be far too complicated.

00:47:59.000 They made it into a myth.

00:48:01.000 We Westerners, we have no time.

00:48:03.000 We want to understand things the way we are living.

00:48:09.000 And I thought to simplify it and science backed it up.

00:48:16.000 Now, when you're talking about your breathing, you were saying that when you were young, that when you discovered this type of breathing, that you could see the lights.

00:48:24.000 Yes.

00:48:25.000 You know, that's one of the core components of kundalini yoga.

00:48:28.000 Yeah, chakras. 1.00

00:48:29.000 Yeah, that they experience this intense state due to this specific type of breathing.

00:48:35.000 I haven't practiced it.

00:48:36.000 This is the nervous system.

00:48:38.000 I could make you do this in 15 minutes.

00:48:40.000 But what is that?

00:48:42.000 Is it just your body's production of psychedelic chemicals?

00:48:44.000 That's the nervous system.

00:48:45.000 Nervous system.

00:48:46.000 The nervous system is about electrical potential.

00:48:49.000 So it's just firing?

00:48:50.000 That's it.

00:48:51.000 And you are just manipulating the nervous system, pressurizing it, and then electricity comes out bigger.

00:49:00.000 So what you were saying before about someone who has a cold, so you would tell them to utilize your breathing method and concentrate on the area in which they're sick.

00:49:09.000 Like if they have a lung infection, concentrate on clearing the lungs.

00:49:13.000 Any infection, any disease, anything they got, we have the ability to connect with our body.

00:49:19.000 You just have to absolutely believe it.

00:49:21.000 And you have to absolutely be focused on it.

00:49:23.000 If you want your phone, if I want my phone, then I need to grab this one.

00:49:29.000 Not this one, not this one, and not that.

00:49:32.000 I have to be busy with what I'm doing, for real.

00:49:35.000 You have to grab the actual phone.

00:49:36.000 You've got to go to the place where something is happening.

00:49:41.000 So if there is a disturbance, you go to the disturbance until you release it.

00:49:45.000 You've got to learn to connect once again.

00:49:48.000 That's the change of the belief.

00:49:50.000 The change of the belief is nothing more than the mind, which is neurotransmitters, electrical potentials, and use it once again instead of being alienated because of comfort behavior.

00:50:05.000 You learn to use these neural microbiological patterns again, which are existent, but they are down-exercised, un-exercised.

00:50:19.000 That's why we don't trust them, because they are not so strong.

00:50:24.000 Learn that these are very capable Of you making connection with the endocrine systems, immune systems far deeper, thus being able to control happiness, health and strength.

00:50:37.000 And we are going to prove this more and more because I'm dealing with the universities and I want to I want cold measurements, figures, statistics, no speculation.

00:50:49.000 Well, that's what separates you from a lot of people who've made these crazy claims.

00:50:54.000 You've actually done physical feats that show extraordinary abilities.

00:50:58.000 What you did in Mount Everest, no one's ever done before, and I've never even heard of anyone attempting to do something like that.

00:51:03.000 You ran a marathon, a half marathon in Finland.

00:51:07.000 Did you run it barefoot?

00:51:09.000 Yes.

00:51:10.000 Above, I mean, you were, how cold was it out?

00:51:13.000 It was like minus 30 outside?

00:51:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:16.000 And you were shirtless, right?

00:51:20.000 Yeah, yeah, just shorts.

00:51:22.000 Shorts, barefoot, you run a half mile at minus 30. So that's, what is that, 13 miles?

00:51:28.000 Yeah, 13 miles. 1.00

00:51:30.000 Jesus fuck. 1.00

00:51:32.000 Yeah, it was something. 1.00

00:51:33.000 It was something, man.

00:51:34.000 But that's undeniable.

00:51:34.000 That's undeniable.

00:51:35.000 So when people...

00:51:36.000 Is that why you started doing these things, so that people would pay attention to what you're doing?

00:51:40.000 Because when you hear someone's doing that, when you hear someone's climbing Mount Everest in their shorts, you go, what?

00:51:46.000 Okay, what is he doing?

00:51:47.000 How's he doing that?

00:51:48.000 And then when you find out that you're incredibly healthy, and you're vibrant, and you're doing all these things, and you're allowing yourself to be tested, and you're showing this ability to regulate your immune system, and this is all incredibly exciting stuff, and then the scientists come in, because then they're like, okay,

00:52:03.000 what is going on here?

00:52:05.000 Exactly.

00:52:05.000 We have to change our beliefs about what is possible with the human mind.

00:52:09.000 Exactly.

00:52:10.000 And be very clear about it.

00:52:12.000 No speculation.

00:52:13.000 It all began with, you know, when I felt so powerless with my wife.

00:52:19.000 Then, those days, I loved her to death, but not in that way, of course.

00:52:23.000 I work now with the four children I have with her.

00:52:27.000 I had with her.

00:52:28.000 I still have with her.

00:52:30.000 And I began to...

00:52:32.000 I only could find rest and peace within the depth of my own...

00:52:39.000 Being.

00:52:40.000 Emotionally.

00:52:41.000 You know, you cannot see it, but it is there.

00:52:44.000 And for that, I went into nature.

00:52:46.000 I began to climb without gear and go into the ice more.

00:52:50.000 And this made me silent within.

00:52:53.000 That was my curing.

00:52:55.000 It calmed all the horrible stress and depression.

00:52:58.000 Yes.

00:52:58.000 Emotion is stress.

00:53:00.000 And later on, I began to understand about it.

00:53:04.000 But then it caught the attention of the news.

00:53:09.000 And then they began to ask, but are you able to do this then too?

00:53:14.000 And I told them, oh yeah, I can do that.

00:53:18.000 I can swim under the ice, like distances.

00:53:21.000 Oh yeah, I can climb a mountain barefoot in the snow.

00:53:24.000 Yeah, I can hang by one finger in the air.

00:53:27.000 Yeah, I can run a marathon shirtless beyond the polar circle midwinter.

00:53:33.000 I can do all this.

00:53:35.000 And then...

00:53:36.000 Signs came in.

00:53:37.000 It came into the newspapers and the internet and all that.

00:53:43.000 How is this possible?

00:53:46.000 Did they not believe you at first?

00:53:48.000 Yeah, of course.

00:53:51.000 It tells in the university books now, which have been dedicating one chapter about the Iceman, which is the study which we did.

00:54:03.000 There you see the old story where professors normally, they say, yeah, this is not possible.

00:54:10.000 In the books it's stated, it is not possible to do a half marathon barefoot or climbing Mount Everest that way because of the physiology of ours and the hardships outside.

00:54:23.000 It's not possible.

00:54:24.000 But this guy is doing it.

00:54:25.000 So, how?

00:54:27.000 So, I began to raise questions, and then they invited me to be tested.

00:54:33.000 And they were skeptical, of course.

00:54:35.000 They were absolutely skeptical.

00:54:37.000 I only want clinical proof of what I was doing, which surpassed the physiological laws stated in the books.

00:54:45.000 If I was able to produce that in laboratory settings, and then they had something to start off with.

00:54:54.000 To do which could be a possible method or abilities, evidence-based, helping people who are sick.

00:55:07.000 And now we are going to do more clinical studies showing sick people to be able to cure a lot faster or not having to make use of as much medicine as they do now because I'm not anti-pharmaceutics or anything like that because I'm not into politics but I want people to know There is so much more within every

00:55:37.000 person here in the world which will enable you to tackle a disease Unhappiness and having no energy or strength and we are able to do that and that's love.

00:55:52.000 I want to bring back love in the world constituted by happiness, strength and health.

00:55:58.000 It's just fascinating that you're such an outlier that it took one person to come up with this method and one person to challenge these ideas that the body can't do this and now they have to reconsider.

00:56:11.000 There's seven billion people on the planet.

00:56:14.000 We've been around for who knows how long.

00:56:16.000 We've thousands of years of written history.

00:56:18.000 And then they had these laws that they believed that the body was capable of doing and not capable of doing.

00:56:23.000 This is where it ends.

00:56:24.000 That your body can't do this, your body can't do that.

00:56:27.000 And you came along, one guy, Wim Hof, you come along and you change everything.

00:56:33.000 That's amazing.

00:56:35.000 That's truly, truly amazing.

00:56:37.000 It's amazing.

00:56:38.000 You know, it's a...

00:56:40.000 I was never out there to change the world, but because things happened in my life, I was triggered in the depth of my body and even in the emotional part, as I explained before,

00:56:56.000 because of my wife and all that. 0.96

00:56:58.000 And now I'm very, very certain I got a mission.

00:57:01.000 It was born in 2007 in the Feinstein Institute, Manhattan, New York, when Dr. Kevin Kammler gave me the results, blood results, after an experiment in the Feinstein Institute,

00:57:17.000 which is a biochemicals institute.

00:57:19.000 And he told me, if you are able to reproduce these results And pass it on to a group of persons, say in two weeks, then that would mean huge consequences for human mankind.

00:57:33.000 Then the missionary was born.

00:57:36.000 My mission was born.

00:57:38.000 And since then, I want to get into it and beyond speculation, prove it by evidence.

00:57:46.000 And it is belief.

00:57:48.000 Emotion and belief are very close together.

00:57:52.000 We lost the emotion, we lost the feeling, the sensitivity, and we lost the belief within ourselves.

00:57:59.000 And we got to go back to the belief.

00:58:02.000 Belief is able to tackle science.

00:58:05.000 Belief is able to tackle any problem in life by every person.

00:58:12.000 And belief is chemistry.

00:58:14.000 And we have to go back to that chemistry.

00:58:16.000 And we are showing this by scientific evidence and results.

00:58:22.000 I think what you're doing is so important.

00:58:24.000 It's so important to human beings because we were operating under a false assumption.

00:58:32.000 And this false assumption had made it into textbooks.

00:58:35.000 And if a guy like you comes along and shows a method for changing your physiology, and if you could teach that to children early on, you would change their operating paradigm.

00:58:44.000 You would change the way their mind views the world.

00:58:47.000 And that's why I'm here.

00:58:50.000 That's why I'm here at Joe Rogan's already.

00:58:52.000 Thank you.

00:58:54.000 Now I understand why you can hang by one finger.

00:58:57.000 What is that feeling like, man, when you're hanging a mile in the air?

00:59:01.000 By one finger.

00:59:02.000 What is that feeling like?

00:59:03.000 It felt great.

00:59:06.000 You know, all the things that I do, I never know it before I'm doing it.

00:59:12.000 You never know what it's going to feel like?

00:59:14.000 Yeah, what's going to feel like?

00:59:15.000 Did you practice hanging from your finger before you did it?

00:59:17.000 Oh yeah, but then at home.

00:59:19.000 If you fall, you just fall 30 centimeters.

00:59:25.000 But over there, it's a different thing.

00:59:28.000 You know, you learn to surpass your fears.

00:59:31.000 You learn to calculate with your body as a part of the calculation.

00:59:36.000 What was the scariest one of these stunts that you tried to attempt?

00:59:40.000 The scariest.

00:59:41.000 Most exciting, most of the fear, because fear is just, you know, advising signal within, which was the one.

00:59:55.000 Maybe swimming under the ice.

00:59:58.000 I lost track.

01:00:01.000 Listen to this story.

01:00:02.000 This is nice.

01:00:04.000 I had no goggles on when I dove in one meter thick ice.

01:00:12.000 So the ice is three feet thick, for people who don't know what a meter is.

01:00:15.000 You're diving into the water.

01:00:17.000 And where is this?

01:00:17.000 In Finland.

01:00:18.000 Finland.

01:00:19.000 So the water.

01:00:20.000 Beyond the polar circle.

01:00:21.000 Insanely cold water.

01:00:22.000 It's like needles.

01:00:25.000 But I was trained.

01:00:26.000 I did not even feel the needles.

01:00:28.000 Because that's one thing.

01:00:30.000 And then I did my breathing really good.

01:00:33.000 This was the day before I was going to do, attempting to do a world record.

01:00:39.000 So I had a general repetition.

01:00:42.000 And there was nobody.

01:00:44.000 Only one diver somewhere, but he was not in the water.

01:00:50.000 To me, I didn't want to just try and train half the distance.

01:00:56.000 No, if I have to do it tomorrow, I'm going to do all the distance now.

01:01:01.000 But nobody took real attention and nobody was so serious.

01:01:06.000 They only thought, we are the safety around the real record with the television and this and that and all that.

01:01:13.000 So, I began to do this breathing, which you just did.

01:01:18.000 And then at a certain point, I was so lightheaded and this and that, but then in the water, in the cold, and you become fully charged with oxygen.

01:01:28.000 So much that your pH levels go really up.

01:01:33.000 There you feel lost.

01:01:41.000 First you need to go under the ice and then you begin to swim.

01:01:45.000 Stroke by stroke.

01:01:46.000 Every stroke is something more than a yard.

01:01:49.000 How far are you going under the ice?

01:01:52.000 The length in that record was about 60 yards.

01:01:58.000 So 60 yards holding your breath under the ice.

01:02:04.000 But 40 yards later, I could not see anything anymore.

01:02:09.000 Because the retina froze.

01:02:12.000 Your retina froze?

01:02:13.000 Yes.

01:02:14.000 Retina froze. 0.86

01:02:15.000 And I missed the hole at 60 yards.

01:02:20.000 And I was counting subconsciously.

01:02:23.000 I had it all figured out.

01:02:25.000 So much strokes, that means then I'll arrive at the other hole.

01:02:31.000 How far in did you go blind?

01:02:34.000 Like 70, 75 yards.

01:02:39.000 It's when I... I need to go back.

01:02:42.000 You only think very instinctively at that moment.

01:02:46.000 There is no space for thinking.

01:02:48.000 And now, when you say you went blind, how much could you see?

01:02:51.000 Very little?

01:02:51.000 Very blur.

01:02:53.000 Blur. 0.90

01:02:54.000 Yes.

01:02:54.000 So, I went on swimming and trying to find a way to the hole, but I never found it.

01:03:01.000 And I had actually, in the distance, I made the biggest distance ever.

01:03:06.000 Done.

01:03:07.000 I could never reproduce this.

01:03:10.000 But it doesn't matter.

01:03:11.000 The thing is, I lost the fear of death right over there.

01:03:16.000 It's like every animal in the world dies, you know, in peace.

01:03:22.000 When they die, not of an accident or this or that.

01:03:27.000 Because their blood is alkaline.

01:03:30.000 The pH level is really up.

01:03:32.000 And the body is able to retreat in the nervous system, then go into the central nervous system, and then the tunnel of the light, and that's it.

01:03:42.000 You go to sleep.

01:03:43.000 And I had the same sensation.

01:03:45.000 My pH levels were so rosen before I went in, That there was never a lack of oxygen, or the lack of oxygen was there, but it was never disturbing with withdrawal.

01:04:03.000 There was no panic.

01:04:04.000 Of the energy.

01:04:05.000 There was absolutely no panic.

01:04:07.000 Actually, I felt a little bit good, you know, like a rush.

01:04:11.000 Like going to sleep.

01:04:13.000 Wow.

01:04:13.000 So you thought you were close to death?

01:04:16.000 Yes.

01:04:17.000 So somebody grabbed you and saved you?

01:04:18.000 Like two times I experienced this.

01:04:20.000 I lost my fear of death.

01:04:22.000 And that's a personal story.

01:04:24.000 I wouldn't try it under, you know, beneath the water, these breathing exercises.

01:04:30.000 You have to learn first to recondition your body to its natural state.

01:04:35.000 And then you get a different connection.

01:04:37.000 You are more able and become more conscious of your abilities.

01:04:41.000 So someone grabbed you and brought you to the hole?

01:04:43.000 Yes, to the 50 meter hole.

01:04:44.000 Back.

01:04:45.000 So you had turned around?

01:04:47.000 Yes.

01:04:47.000 And went backwards trying to find out where the hole was?

01:04:49.000 Yes, yes.

01:04:50.000 So there was more than one hole set up?

01:04:52.000 Hole was here, hole was there.

01:04:54.000 I went that way.

01:04:55.000 So one was set up in 50 meters?

01:04:57.000 Oh, so you missed it.

01:04:58.000 I tried there and then they brought me back here.

01:05:01.000 I did more than double the distance.

01:05:03.000 So for people listening, you missed it by going to the right, and then you went to the left, and you couldn't find it.

01:05:08.000 So there was a 50-meter hole, and then when was the second hole?

01:05:10.000 70 meters?

01:05:11.000 No, no, no.

01:05:12.000 It's just...

01:05:13.000 One 50-meter hole.

01:05:14.000 One 50-meter hole.

01:05:15.000 That's it.

01:05:16.000 There was just one hole.

01:05:17.000 Okay.

01:05:17.000 So you just totally missed it.

01:05:19.000 Yeah.

01:05:19.000 And so then they brought you back to the hole.

01:05:21.000 Yeah.

01:05:21.000 So you did accomplish what you set out to, but you did it while being blind.

01:05:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:28.000 I'm still blind.

01:05:29.000 And double the distance.

01:05:30.000 Did it mess with your vision at all permanently?

01:05:32.000 No, no, no, no.

01:05:33.000 So when you got out of the water, how long was it before you could see again?

01:05:38.000 Almost directly.

01:05:40.000 Really?

01:05:40.000 Almost directly.

01:05:41.000 Yeah, the blur stayed a little.

01:05:45.000 As oxygen comes back, it almost directly was restored again.

01:05:54.000 One of the things that I found fascinating about the cryo tank is that your eyeballs don't get cold.

01:05:59.000 It's like, why does everything get cold but my eyes don't get cold?

01:06:03.000 I found that fascinating when I'm outside and I'm freezing cold too.

01:06:07.000 It's never the eyeball itself.

01:06:08.000 And I don't know if there's a lack of nerve endings or I don't know what it is.

01:06:13.000 We are not built to swim under ice.

01:06:15.000 No.

01:06:16.000 We are built to be able to walk like Inuits outside for hours and days and maintain vision because that's survival. 0.92

01:06:27.000 Right, but you can also get snow blind, right?

01:06:30.000 Yes, with the white.

01:06:32.000 Yeah, the white.

01:06:32.000 Somehow or another the reflection off the white.

01:06:35.000 Yeah, that's the different story, yes.

01:06:38.000 Yeah, with a word.

01:06:40.000 Like on Mount Everest, on these mountains, actually, we are not built to get up there either, I found out.

01:06:49.000 But it's amazing.

01:06:52.000 But you did it, and you did it in shorts.

01:06:55.000 Yes.

01:06:55.000 Did that piss off the other people that are trying to climb Everest?

01:06:58.000 What?

01:06:59.000 Did that piss off the other people that are trying to climb Everest?

01:07:01.000 Yeah, I don't think it is a challenge to do it in clothes.

01:07:08.000 Yeah, it's no challenge.

01:07:10.000 You are not in contact with the natural environment at that moment.

01:07:16.000 But how come so many people die if it's not a challenge?

01:07:19.000 It seems like it's a big challenge.

01:07:21.000 Are they just not prepared properly?

01:07:23.000 Yeah, there's a lack of oxygen over there.

01:07:26.000 And if you use all the time oxygen at a certain point, you don't use oxygen, and you get in a storm or a blast or a whiteout, then you're just lost.

01:07:39.000 Yeah, a simply loss.

01:07:40.000 Up there, it's a different loss.

01:07:43.000 Now, listen, I am going for the fourth time now, climbing Kilimanjaro in January, coming, and I teach people to do it in a record time, without mountaineering experience,

01:07:59.000 and even having diseases like Roma, or asthma, or chronic diseases, things like that.

01:08:07.000 In four months, Four days, actually.

01:08:10.000 One day in one month, I train them.

01:08:13.000 And then they have to do homework, say, exercising at home and believing.

01:08:18.000 Just be in it.

01:08:20.000 No, no ego, we go, I always tell.

01:08:25.000 Then in four months, the oldest participant without mountaineering experience is 76 years old, and we are going to do it in a record time.

01:08:36.000 That's learning how to use, if you know how to use, the adaptive power of ours, and you endorse it with the right breathing and belief, The belief was the neurotransmitters who are influencing on cell level.

01:08:54.000 The breathing brings about the right pH level and then the adaptive force is able to adapt, to enter into the body because the chemistry is right.

01:09:06.000 And when you say the right pH levels, is this something that's been measured?

01:09:09.000 Yes.

01:09:10.000 The difference in the pH levels of your body from this?

01:09:13.000 Yes, we just completed new studies.

01:09:15.000 And it showed that all the people who were doing this, they had a pH level average of 7.8.

01:09:26.000 And then went down to the normal, real, natural standard, which is 7.3, 7.4.

01:09:35.000 But most of us, we have lower, more acidic state levels of pH degrees.

01:09:44.000 And we did research on pain.

01:09:49.000 Now, if you are able to control to 7.6, pH level, you are able to control the pain signal.

01:09:59.000 It falls apart.

01:10:01.000 Trimerization, trimer, it's the three components.

01:10:05.000 And if you bring up the pH level controlled to 7.6, it falls apart.

01:10:11.000 You don't feel the pain anymore.

01:10:13.000 And we lost the ability to suppress or control the pain.

01:10:17.000 Now, with this breathing, influencing on the pH level, consciously, you're able to learn to control the pain.

01:10:25.000 We just finished the studies, and 100% screw once again.

01:10:30.000 Wow.

01:10:30.000 Now, this Mount Kilimanjaro thing, is this the first time you've ever led a group of people?

01:10:35.000 It's a third time already.

01:10:37.000 Would you like anything else to drink?

01:10:38.000 No, no.

01:10:39.000 More coffee or anything?

01:10:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:10:41.000 Beer.

01:10:41.000 Yeah.

01:10:42.000 Okay.

01:10:42.000 Let's get a few beers.

01:10:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:10:44.000 Oh, boy.

01:10:45.000 Here we go.

01:10:45.000 Yeah, sure, man!

01:10:47.000 So, this Mount Kilimanjaro thing, you're going to take these people... 1.00

01:10:52.000 Do you have any concern, taking a 76-year-old person without any understanding of their physical condition?

01:10:57.000 Do you going to give them a thorough examination or have someone do that?

01:11:01.000 How are you going to approach that?

01:11:03.000 You know, after 30 years or 35 years, almost 40 years already, of, you know, experience of exposing the body, The physiology, two extremes.

01:11:16.000 I know and I can feel if I'm fit or somebody is able or fit to do being part of a calculation in the extreme.

01:11:28.000 I learned to climb without gear on rocks.

01:11:31.000 That means you read the rock first and then you are part of the calculation.

01:11:38.000 Is Sam Adams in there?

01:11:40.000 Yeah.

01:11:41.000 Get some of those too.

01:11:43.000 Hey, have a nice beer, man.

01:11:44.000 Yeah.

01:11:45.000 Have a Heineken.

01:11:46.000 That's from your people, right?

01:11:47.000 No, that's not.

01:11:48.000 That's German, right?

01:11:49.000 Isn't it?

01:11:49.000 Boston.

01:11:50.000 Oh, is that a Boston?

01:11:51.000 What is that?

01:11:52.000 Yesterday, it was in Boston.

01:11:54.000 Boston is Chicago in the other one.

01:11:57.000 Yeah.

01:11:57.000 Oh, so it's Heineken.

01:11:59.000 But Heineken, what is that?

01:12:00.000 Is that from Germany?

01:12:02.000 Amsterdam.

01:12:03.000 Isn't that from Amsterdam?

01:12:03.000 Amsterdam.

01:12:04.000 Your people.

01:12:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:06.000 Well, your people have accomplished some incredible things.

01:12:10.000 Holland is the birthplace, well not the birthplace, but one of the greatest kickboxing nations in the world.

01:12:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:16.000 I'm training Alistair over it.

01:12:18.000 Yeah, I want to talk about that.

01:12:19.000 So, what are you doing for Alistair?

01:12:21.000 The same I did with you and get into you.

01:12:25.000 Yeah, you know, if you're doing...

01:12:27.000 Cheers.

01:12:28.000 Yeah, cheers, man.

01:12:34.000 So, with Alistair, how did Alistair find out about you?

01:12:38.000 And how did this get started? 0.99

01:12:40.000 Alistair is absolutely not stupid. 0.99

01:12:43.000 He's a controlling and intelligent person. 0.91

01:12:46.000 Yeah, he's a very smart guy.

01:12:48.000 Who's calculating what he is doing.

01:12:50.000 And he's trying to get always the best out of it.

01:12:54.000 So...

01:12:55.000 He came to me because of people saying, hey, this guy is scientifically endorsed.

01:13:01.000 He got some methods about breathing and focus, and it's all been measured.

01:13:06.000 So he asked me to come by, and he came by.

01:13:12.000 This is in Holland?

01:13:13.000 In Holland, in Amsterdam, where this beer come from.

01:13:17.000 Cheers.

01:13:18.000 Cheers.

01:13:22.000 And we just had a talk, and the man is so in control of his body, he can read my mind when he's talking with me, if I'm being right, because he can feel what happens with his logic and his body.

01:13:42.000 So he thought it to be right and okay, and then he's listening.

01:13:50.000 He's a pupil.

01:13:51.000 He's very humble.

01:13:52.000 He's a nice guy.

01:13:53.000 That's all.

01:13:55.000 And he is learning, listening, respecting.

01:13:59.000 Okay?

01:14:01.000 And then he took it up.

01:14:02.000 I told him what to do.

01:14:04.000 I told him, you have to regain the connection with the hormonal system.

01:14:11.000 You know, when you fight, you try everything, and your hormonal system gets out of balance, sort of.

01:14:19.000 It's possible.

01:14:20.000 From stress.

01:14:21.000 Yeah, from stress.

01:14:22.000 Training.

01:14:23.000 Yeah, and those people live in the extremes.

01:14:26.000 So your hormonal system gets out of control.

01:14:29.000 And we bring it back first.

01:14:32.000 And you know what you want.

01:14:35.000 You want to win.

01:14:36.000 But moreover, you want to have control within.

01:14:39.000 And you want to feel that you are able to steer and direct your body.

01:14:45.000 And in the training, you want to get better.

01:14:47.000 But if you frustrate yourself, then it's because of hormonal disbalance.

01:14:52.000 And you're training, training, training, but it doesn't get through.

01:14:57.000 And what we do is just taking away the blockages and the disbalance.

01:15:03.000 Thus, you've got an open way.

01:15:05.000 Because when you want to increase, you want to become better.

01:15:09.000 And you know your feeling.

01:15:12.000 And then take up with cold water, I told him.

01:15:17.000 Easy does it.

01:15:18.000 You begin with cold showers.

01:15:20.000 That's all.

01:15:21.000 And now he's taking cold baths, you know, ice baths every day.

01:15:26.000 And two weeks later he told me he is improving so much.

01:15:31.000 That he regained the connection with his deeper physiological systems, the endocrine and the immune system as well, but he is healthy already.

01:15:44.000 But endocrine systems, that's important for him because, you know, it's pure adrenaline what happens when you do a match.

01:15:52.000 But you're living toward it.

01:15:54.000 I have learned how to deal with the mind.

01:15:56.000 I explained about the mind as well.

01:16:00.000 And now, Two weeks later, I got a phone.

01:16:04.000 He told me I'm going to win.

01:16:07.000 Why?

01:16:07.000 Because I feel I'm in charge with my own body.

01:16:13.000 And I'm not talking, you know, Alistair Overeem is his person.

01:16:18.000 I don't know the way he is now, but I'm going to meet him, say, next week and do a last training, directing, simply awakening His ability, like everybody, the ability to connect with the deeper physiological systems within our body,

01:16:38.000 enabling us to do about anything, because this adaptive power is really so far out.

01:16:46.000 Well, for fighters, that could be a huge advantage because one of the big things that happens to them during hard training is their endocrine system starts to break down.

01:16:55.000 Their testosterone levels are very, very low during training camps because they're oftentimes overtraining, meaning their body can't recover.

01:17:03.000 They're training so hard, their body doesn't have enough time to recover.

01:17:05.000 You think that you can stimulate the production of testosterone?

01:17:09.000 Yes.

01:17:09.000 In people's bodies?

01:17:10.000 Oh, yes.

01:17:11.000 You know, think logically.

01:17:15.000 Testosterone is about procreation and all that, you know, and defense of your territory.

01:17:22.000 It's a natural thing.

01:17:24.000 But if you keep on training, training, training, training, then the body shuts down because there is no need to defend.

01:17:33.000 You are looking for some imaginary opponent.

01:17:39.000 That's what the nature of this endocrine system is telling you.

01:17:42.000 So you have to learn to control this primitive, reactive part of ours.

01:17:48.000 It's a primitive brain, the brainstem, and learn to bring it under your dominion.

01:17:54.000 And as we are, if you take on too much adrenaline, then it becomes acidic and you mess up the endocrine systems.

01:18:04.000 Very logic.

01:18:05.000 Now, we have shown that without forests, we are able to produce more adrenaline than somebody going into a bunker jump, you know, very fearful.

01:18:18.000 And how do you do that?

01:18:19.000 You were saying that earlier, like if someone's lying on their back… What did you do?

01:18:23.000 The breathing method?

01:18:24.000 Exactly.

01:18:25.000 But do you have them visualize something terrifying?

01:18:27.000 No.

01:18:28.000 Once again, if I want my beer, I'm not grabbing this telephone.

01:18:33.000 Right.

01:18:33.000 Neither this one.

01:18:35.000 There's my beer.

01:18:38.000 Just be busy with what you are aiming at.

01:18:42.000 Okay.

01:18:43.000 That's it.

01:18:44.000 And visualization comes from itself, you know?

01:18:48.000 You see a mountain and you feel, I want to climb this.

01:18:52.000 Then it'll be there every time you are there and tuning the body toward the eventual performance.

01:19:02.000 And this is the way it is done inside.

01:19:05.000 And sometimes you can, you know, visualize first and then...

01:19:12.000 But I say, like breathing, bite the nose, bite this, or this, or that.

01:19:18.000 Oh, it doesn't matter what kind of hole you use, just make it happen.

01:19:22.000 But how do you stimulate adrenaline, though?

01:19:24.000 Like, if you have someone lie on their back.

01:19:26.000 Like, if you have me lie on my back and I'm starting to do your breathing exercises.

01:19:29.000 Got you.

01:19:30.000 You know what we do?

01:19:31.000 They saw it in the university.

01:19:36.000 They saw...

01:19:38.000 They got these devices to measure the saturation of oxygen in the blood.

01:19:44.000 And normally at sea level, like here, it's like 100%.

01:19:48.000 But this is only the measurement device.

01:19:51.000 They created it.

01:19:53.000 And it goes from 100% to 30%.

01:19:56.000 30% everybody is dead.

01:19:58.000 Something like that.

01:20:00.000 At 40, 50 normally.

01:20:02.000 There people die.

01:20:04.000 So, they have these measurements.

01:20:06.000 They measured us.

01:20:08.000 No, the guys I trained.

01:20:11.000 And they saw not only 100%, but probably 150%.

01:20:19.000 But the measurement device is wrong.

01:20:22.000 It's just based on what we think that our body is capable of.

01:20:29.000 I put this aside.

01:20:31.000 We do this breathing exercise.

01:20:33.000 Then you see directly on the monitors what happens if you are without air in the lungs, staying without air in the lungs, like you did.

01:20:45.000 Two and a half minutes.

01:20:47.000 What happens?

01:20:48.000 Everybody after one and a half minutes got to this 100% on the device, on the monitor.

01:20:56.000 Probably 150, but it was only visually shown and visible.

01:21:03.000 After one and a half minute, the 100% was reached.

01:21:06.000 Then it went into 90, 80, 70, 60, 50, 40, 30. Measurement device shuts down.

01:21:15.000 Bang! 1.00

01:21:15.000 We go even lower. 1.00

01:21:18.000 And then the body, the primitive brain...

01:21:23.000 The brainstem, the reptilian brain, who only reacts like reptilians, cold, warm, deprivation of air, things like that.

01:21:33.000 You know, very primitive.

01:21:35.000 The brainstem of ours works like that.

01:21:39.000 It reacts.

01:21:41.000 At that moment, it doesn't think there is no oxygen.

01:21:47.000 No, it just reacts because there is no oxygen inside the body.

01:21:53.000 But because the pH levels have been risen, nothing is happening to the body.

01:22:02.000 The primitive brain is reacting, the brainstem, and it gets into this survival mode.

01:22:11.000 And so much that the adrenaline is over there.

01:22:17.000 So it's just about holding the breath for long periods of time while you raise the pH level.

01:22:21.000 How simple is it?

01:22:22.000 Well, that makes sense.

01:22:25.000 And in that way, without any damage in the brain or nothing like that, it also begins to, if you do it on a regular basis, it begins to reestablish neural patterns between the neocortex,

01:22:42.000 The surface of the brain, our thinking, and the primitive brain.

01:22:46.000 That makes sense because when you had me hold my breath, and I only did it for two minutes, but I was starting to panic.

01:22:52.000 My body was going, what are you doing, dude?

01:22:55.000 What are you doing? 1.00

01:22:55.000 Come on, breathe, bitch. 1.00

01:22:56.000 My body was telling me, come on, breathe, breathe. 1.00

01:22:58.000 I'm... 1.00

01:22:59.000 Hey, Joe Rogan is a bitch. 1.00

01:23:02.000 I call myself a bitch all the time. 1.00

01:23:04.000 Me too. 0.99

01:23:04.000 That's my secret. 0.99

01:23:06.000 My secret is I'm not a fan of me. 1.00

01:23:08.000 Life is a bitch! 0.97

01:23:10.000 My secret is I'm not very impressed by me. 0.99

01:23:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:23:12.000 Me too.

01:23:13.000 Me too.

01:23:14.000 Now, this Mount Kilimanjaro thing, I want to get back to that, because to me, what's dangerous about that is not you, because I think that you have a very deep understanding of who you are and what you're capable of, and obviously you've done amazing things, but these other people...

01:23:31.000 How do you know them?

01:23:33.000 How well do you know these folks?

01:23:35.000 How do you feel them?

01:23:35.000 Yeah, how well do you know them?

01:23:37.000 And how...

01:23:38.000 Feel, you love that.

01:23:39.000 Knowing is feeling.

01:23:41.000 You love that, yeah.

01:23:41.000 Feeling is understanding.

01:23:42.000 Right.

01:23:43.000 And we have the ability, like, living in a, you know, we're a pack of wolves.

01:23:48.000 No, we are mammals too, in a pack of people.

01:23:51.000 Hmm.

01:23:52.000 We are able to exist in nature.

01:23:55.000 And as I know the challenges in nature and how to counteract in interaction with nature, I know how to lead people in extreme conditions.

01:24:07.000 And I already did it twice.

01:24:09.000 First were 26 people.

01:24:11.000 The oldest one was 65 people without mountaineering experience and with Four bypasses, coronary bypasses.

01:24:20.000 You're 65 years old?

01:24:21.000 And coronary bypasses, and a guy with cancer, two people with the disease of Crohn, one with roma arthritis.

01:24:31.000 What is roma?

01:24:32.000 Roma, roma arthritis.

01:24:34.000 Is it roma arthritis?

01:24:35.000 Yeah, arthritis, arthrosis, you have all kinds.

01:24:39.000 And autoimmune diseases.

01:24:42.000 And we had a lot of them.

01:24:44.000 MS, multiple sclerosis, for example.

01:24:47.000 And have you been able to help those people improve their conditions?

01:24:51.000 Not only.

01:24:52.000 26 people.

01:24:54.000 And we told them in the press, we are going to climb the Kilimanjaro in three days, in shorts.

01:25:02.000 And everybody's saying, but in this condition, without mountaineering experience, people are going to die.

01:25:09.000 The physiology states that this is not possible.

01:25:12.000 Many, many, many, many arguments.

01:25:14.000 And then we didn't do it in three days, we did it in two days.

01:25:18.000 Oh my God.

01:25:19.000 And they changed, these guys.

01:25:21.000 They have a lot more control within their lives and they know from within.

01:25:27.000 Then last year, or this year, January, we did it once again over.

01:25:33.000 We took 16 hours off from the two days, from the 46 hours, went to 31, 48 hours to 31 hours.

01:25:44.000 And this time, the oldest man is 76. I can feel it.

01:25:49.000 If one is able to do it, it's him.

01:25:52.000 And then I still have to see about the youngsters, because their mind is yet not so in connection with the body.

01:26:02.000 That's interesting that you say that, because ultramarathons are typically run by older people.

01:26:09.000 It's one of the more interesting aspects of that endurance sport.

01:26:12.000 Brain-body connection.

01:26:13.000 They're also tougher.

01:26:15.000 Yes.

01:26:16.000 And, you know, like the Bushmen, they hunt a kudu, like for two days, and the kudu is... 0.76

01:26:23.000 And they just...

01:26:25.000 Persistence training.

01:26:27.000 That's us.

01:26:28.000 We do conscious breathing.

01:26:31.000 And this conscious breathing is a neural pattern between the body and mind.

01:26:36.000 And the animal hasn't got it.

01:26:37.000 Well, the animal is also not physiologically capable of running long distances like a person is.

01:26:42.000 They tire out.

01:26:43.000 They're built for sprints.

01:26:45.000 And that's what they do.

01:26:46.000 They just wear them out.

01:26:47.000 They persistence hunt.

01:26:48.000 They chase them down and they wear them out.

01:26:50.000 But oftentimes they're too exhausted at the end of it to even enjoy it.

01:26:54.000 Yes, yes.

01:26:55.000 Okay, but it shows once again the mind and the breathing.

01:27:02.000 Because the breathing, when people get a headache, which is the first sign of acclimatization problems, high-altitude disease, AMS, acute mountain sickness is what it is, then just make them breathe and bring more oxygen to the brain.

01:27:19.000 So if you're climbing up, you're not using any of those oxygen tanks that a lot of those people use?

01:27:25.000 Nothing like that.

01:27:26.000 And when you hear about people dying up there, do you think that you could have helped those people if you taught them breathing techniques?

01:27:32.000 Oh, yes, yes, yes.

01:27:33.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:27:35.000 So all the, you know, 26 people ranging from 22 to 65 with coronary problems with all these diseases and still able to do it within two days, in shorts.

01:27:48.000 They're all in shorts.

01:27:50.000 76-year-old guys in shorts.

01:27:52.000 Yes, yes.

01:27:53.000 And women, not only in shorts. 0.99

01:27:56.000 Wow.

01:27:57.000 It happens, you know?

01:27:59.000 And it's possible.

01:28:00.000 People transform.

01:28:02.000 People get back to their natural ability.

01:28:05.000 That's it.

01:28:06.000 Wow.

01:28:07.000 That's a big responsibility to take a group of people like that and to be...

01:28:11.000 You understand.

01:28:13.000 It is a big responsibility.

01:28:15.000 But I'm so sure...

01:28:17.000 Because I trust nature.

01:28:20.000 So I just respond to what I feel naturally with these people. 0.99

01:28:25.000 But what if you get somebody with you that's a legitimate bitch? 1.00

01:28:28.000 Like what if someone signs up for it and they just fold under pressure? 0.99

01:28:32.000 There are people like that that do that.

01:28:34.000 Yeah, I know what you mean.

01:28:35.000 I say no ego, we go.

01:28:38.000 Like before.

01:28:40.000 Right.

01:28:40.000 And this is that.

01:28:41.000 And I got a very good sense of controlling and detecting if somebody is hiding something.

01:28:47.000 Because if you hide something and you have an attitude on the mountain, the mountain is much stronger than you.

01:28:55.000 It is going to break you.

01:28:57.000 And you think that would be a big issue, the attitude of the person?

01:29:00.000 Yes.

01:29:01.000 Yes, it will horrify the person's situation and then it will block us from going up and get a rhythm out.

01:29:15.000 It's just a problem.

01:29:16.000 But he or she won't be able to get up on the mountain anymore.

01:29:23.000 And you're saying an attitude, meaning like a negative attitude or an attitude of ego, like the ego protecting you from giving in and realizing your true potential, right?

01:29:34.000 You have to learn to let go.

01:29:35.000 Like in the cold as well, you have to learn to let go.

01:29:38.000 Then things can happen in the body naturally.

01:29:41.000 And then you are able to manipulate.

01:29:43.000 And they can absorb your mindset as well.

01:29:46.000 They can absorb your example.

01:29:48.000 And that's one of the things, like I can tell just talking to you and being around you, that you have this very powerful belief in what you're saying and what you're doing.

01:29:57.000 And when people are around you and they give in...

01:29:59.000 That's Joe Rogan telling me that, huh? 1.00

01:30:01.000 He's a fucking good bitch, man. 1.00

01:30:06.000 We love life. 1.00

01:30:07.000 I love you, man.

01:30:09.000 I love you, too.

01:30:10.000 People absorb that.

01:30:11.000 When people are around someone like you that has this legitimate, powerful belief in what you're saying and what you've proven to be true, then other people absorb that.

01:30:22.000 And it's one... 0.99

01:30:23.000 It's a thing that if someone has an attitude, meaning a negative attitude, they have too much ego, they're going to say, well, who the fuck's this guy? 0.99

01:30:30.000 Well, why does he think he knows this? 0.99

01:30:32.000 Well, you know what I've done?

01:30:33.000 Let me tell you what I've done.

01:30:35.000 That type of person is going to fall apart, right?

01:30:38.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:39.000 I always say, yes, the hard nature is my teacher, and he is merciless but righteous.

01:30:48.000 Yeah, merciless but righteous is true.

01:30:51.000 You know what is possible because you have achieved it.

01:30:55.000 And they know that you know this truly.

01:30:57.000 You know, there are people, you know, in Taekwondo, the teacher is called sabonim, you know, like sensei in karate.

01:31:08.000 Sabonim is the Korean version of it.

01:31:10.000 And what that means, the literal translation is, one who leads by example.

01:31:15.000 But you, leading by this example, you're doing this and showing these people that this is all possible, they absorb that.

01:31:22.000 That's one of the reasons why it's so important to be around positive, motivated people.

01:31:28.000 When you're around them, you take that in.

01:31:31.000 When you're around people who are troubled and are falling apart and failing at everything, you take that in too, and it's bad for you.

01:31:38.000 You could be around people that are always in trouble, and your life will be affected by their negativity.

01:31:44.000 Yes.

01:31:44.000 So when you take these people with you, you are raising them up with your own mind, with your own belief in what you have done and what they can do.

01:31:54.000 You make them better.

01:31:56.000 Yes, sir.

01:31:57.000 It is that way.

01:31:58.000 We should heal each other again.

01:32:00.000 Yeah.

01:32:01.000 And we can.

01:32:02.000 We can if everybody does their own part.

01:32:03.000 Yes. 1.00

01:32:04.000 If everybody gets in that fucking water. 1.00

01:32:07.000 Don't be scared. 1.00

01:32:08.000 Get in that water.

01:32:10.000 Do you think that the cold water is maybe even better than a cryo chamber?

01:32:15.000 Because it's so hard to breathe in cold water.

01:32:18.000 You know, when I was hosting Fear Factor, one of the hardest things that we had people do was cold water stunts.

01:32:26.000 Especially if you're not used to it.

01:32:29.000 I've jumped in cold water before.

01:32:31.000 One of the craziest feelings is you can't breathe.

01:32:34.000 When you get in the water, your body goes...

01:32:38.000 It's like this weird thing where your body, you can't...

01:32:41.000 Even if your head is above water, you can't...

01:32:43.000 Like if I get in a pool, okay, like a normal pool, like a swimming pool, it's nice.

01:32:49.000 I can breathe.

01:32:50.000 I breathe just like I can right now.

01:32:52.000 But if you get in cold water, even if you're up to the same level, your head is above water, you can't breathe.

01:32:58.000 It constricts your body's ability to take in oxygen.

01:33:01.000 You're like...

01:33:05.000 Do you think then, in that sense, that maybe there's more benefit even to getting in a tub of ice and water than there is in one of those cryo chambers?

01:33:15.000 I think so, yes.

01:33:17.000 You can do it longer too, right?

01:33:19.000 Yes.

01:33:20.000 You see the difficulty with cold water.

01:33:23.000 You see.

01:33:24.000 And as you see, that means that it needs a greater performance and greater control over the body to do that.

01:33:34.000 But then, once you do this consciously, you get a bigger control over your body.

01:33:40.000 And you are able to perform better.

01:33:43.000 And it's a vascular thing.

01:33:44.000 I can't explain, but it takes quite some time.

01:33:49.000 Maybe the smart thing to do is to do both things.

01:33:52.000 Do like a cryo chamber for the physical effects because they say that the cytokines are released in the body when you get to like 150 degrees below zero.

01:34:00.000 That's like the most benefit where your body produces the most anti-inflammatory reaction.

01:34:05.000 You don't get that cold when you get in the ice bath.

01:34:08.000 With water and the ice, it doesn't get to 250 degrees below zero, but maybe there's more benefit with the mind and with controlling the breathing in that respect, because you have to breathe in deeper, longer, and you can sit in an ice bath for 20 minutes,

01:34:24.000 as opposed to the three minutes of the...

01:34:26.000 When I've taken people into the cryotherapy place, they say, I don't think I can do it.

01:34:31.000 I'm like, well, the first time you do it, you only do it for two minutes.

01:34:34.000 You count to 60 twice.

01:34:35.000 And it's over.

01:34:36.000 Just go one, two, three, four, five, six.

01:34:39.000 You do that, you're one-tenth of the way there.

01:34:42.000 You count to six, you're one-tenth of the way to 60. Do it ten times, you get to 60. Do it again, and you're done.

01:34:49.000 It's over.

01:34:49.000 It's two minutes.

01:34:50.000 It's nothing.

01:34:50.000 You can hold your breath for two minutes.

01:34:51.000 It's not that hard.

01:34:53.000 But an ice bath is a different story.

01:34:55.000 You get in that ice bath, you climb into that thing, and it's half ice, half water, you can't breathe.

01:35:03.000 That's when you really have to...

01:35:04.000 Yeah.

01:35:06.000 But you can't, for athletes, you can't train after you do the ice bath.

01:35:11.000 After you do the ice bath, your body is so cold that they say you can't work out afterwards.

01:35:15.000 But you can work out after you do cryotherapy.

01:35:18.000 So maybe the benefit for athletes is to do a combination of the two things.

01:35:22.000 Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

01:35:23.000 Do.

01:35:24.000 When I get these people going, within a couple of hours, you will see that they are able to do so much more.

01:35:35.000 It's awakening the right pH levels once again, controlling it by breathing and focus, using focus, and then having a lot more control over the chemistry, and the chemistry is needed, controlled, when you get the impact of the Cold,

01:35:51.000 which is a force, you need to produce chemically within your own body, consciously, a contra-force, an opposing force.

01:36:02.000 And we are quite able to do that, but you have to know how to do that.

01:36:07.000 And for every individual it's a little bit different.

01:36:10.000 So for tuning, like.

01:36:13.000 So, yeah, it's a vascular thing.

01:36:17.000 You say, we are able to go like 20 minutes in a cold ice bath, eventually, but not in a cryo-therapeutical chamber.

01:36:31.000 And that's because it works different on the body.

01:36:36.000 And it works on the marrow.

01:36:38.000 It gets deeper inside.

01:36:40.000 It's dry.

01:36:41.000 It's dry.

01:36:42.000 And, you know, water gets 25 times faster into the body.

01:36:46.000 It's a different force.

01:36:48.000 And I recommend myself, I don't know exactly, but I would recommend the ice bath beyond cryotherapy.

01:36:58.000 And cryotherapy is, you know, very artificial.

01:37:01.000 You need a tank, you need this, and people are not able to get into it, etc.

01:37:07.000 But when you get the means, hey, cryotherapy is okay.

01:37:11.000 I always said the cold is okay.

01:37:14.000 But there needs to be so much more research.

01:37:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

01:37:20.000 Yeah, there needs to be more research.

01:37:22.000 So much more research.

01:37:23.000 And once again, I want to be beyond speculation, but we are able, and that's my belief, like 25 years ago I told everybody, the autonomic nervous system in relationship to the immune system can be influenced far deeper.

01:37:41.000 And they mocked me then.

01:37:43.000 And now it's science.

01:37:45.000 And they changed the books.

01:37:47.000 And now I tell everybody, listen up.

01:37:50.000 Health, strength, happiness is ours.

01:37:55.000 That's our natural state.

01:37:56.000 And whatever we use therein, cold or heat or stress or this or that, which is an impact on the body, we are able to withstand it or able to control it as we are able to control the system which is our producing happiness,

01:38:13.000 strength and health.

01:38:14.000 Well, your story, one of the most amazing aspects of it, is your story is a story of persistence and belief.

01:38:22.000 Because you've been doing this for a long time, but it's not until recently that you've sort of broken through to the mainstream.

01:38:28.000 I think Vice had a lot to do with that.

01:38:31.000 That Vice piece was so powerful.

01:38:33.000 Thanks, Vice.

01:38:34.000 Vice.

01:38:34.000 Shane Smith, my man.

01:38:36.000 Yeah, right on.

01:38:36.000 When you watch that piece, it's undeniable because you're seeing you do these things and you're watching your enthusiasm and your belief, you're taking these other people, those reporters that were with you through these experiments and these techniques.

01:38:54.000 It's got to feel good for you to finally be able to get this word out and to realize that the light is at the end of the tunnel and that you've sort of reached this place where your ideas have gone viral.

01:39:07.000 Yes, recognition.

01:39:08.000 Do you know who Kelly Starrett is?

01:39:09.000 He's a famous strength and conditioning coach, and he's the author of The Supple Leopard, Becoming the Supple Leopard.

01:39:16.000 He's a very, very respected strength and conditioning coach.

01:39:19.000 When he found out that I was going to have...

01:39:20.000 I didn't even talk to him, but he found out through the grapevine that you were going to be on my podcast, and he sent me a text message.

01:39:26.000 And I'll paraphrase it, but he said that what your work is some of the most important work that's being done today in the world of understanding the human body.

01:39:34.000 That's what he was saying.

01:39:35.000 He was saying that what you're doing right now for athletes and for people that want to understand how their body works is some of the most important shit that's happening right now. 0.84

01:39:45.000 And that for self-empowerment, that's got to feel good for you, doesn't it?

01:39:50.000 I mean, what does it feel like to you to realize that from the time you're 17, having this calling to jump into cold water, to getting this understanding of what that really means, to this breathing method you're developing, and then having this scientific This proof,

01:40:08.000 this elaborate testing that was done on you that shows that your method has been proven.

01:40:14.000 It's effective.

01:40:15.000 It's real.

01:40:16.000 It's written down.

01:40:17.000 It's undeniable.

01:40:19.000 Emotionally, you know, how deep can you go if you lose your wife, etc.

01:40:27.000 It has been healed.

01:40:29.000 It's one of my songs too.

01:40:33.000 I think now I've scientifically proven it.

01:40:37.000 Recognition has come.

01:40:39.000 The mockery has stopped.

01:40:41.000 Respect is regained, re-established.

01:40:44.000 And that's good.

01:40:45.000 But there is still so much work to do because...

01:40:49.000 The love and the care for the planet, for the children, for all the living beings still is not established.

01:40:56.000 We gotta change the mind and we gotta go on now.

01:40:59.000 I don't want anybody to suffer anymore from not being happy or not having strength or not being healthy.

01:41:07.000 And bring back the harmony.

01:41:10.000 Until that, we need to go on, but I'm really thankful for people like yourself and this person.

01:41:19.000 Kelly, thank you very much for endorsing this.

01:41:25.000 We are going on and Harvard is coming in, which is one of the best universities of the world and we will undeniably prove That we are able to become strong, healthy, and happy.

01:41:40.000 Everybody.

01:41:41.000 What does Harvard want to do?

01:41:43.000 I don't know yet, but you know the same person you were talking about, Rhonda.

01:41:49.000 Dr. Rhonda Patrick.

01:41:51.000 Exactly, Rhonda Patrick.

01:41:53.000 She was with me two weeks ago or one and a half week in Amsterdam or in the Netherlands, my place.

01:42:00.000 We had a great, great discussion.

01:42:02.000 Later, she looked it up and compared the blood results with the The threat number one in America, which is arteriosclerosis.

01:42:13.000 It's the heart disease, anything what goes with the arteries and the veins and all that.

01:42:20.000 And that our alkalosis within this technique is capable of influencing in the arteriosclerosis.

01:42:32.000 Not a little bit, big time.

01:42:33.000 It's chemistry.

01:42:35.000 So we got it not only for the public enemy, number one, killing so many people in the U.S. It's all over the Western world.

01:42:45.000 We got it also for depression and we got it also for actually any disease.

01:42:51.000 We got to bring back the belief That we are beings who naturally should be happy, strong and healthy.

01:42:59.000 And as long as there are systems or this or complications and nobody knows anymore how to be happy and without war and without tensions and too much grieving and too much greed and all that, then we got work to do because the new world is a world of harmony.

01:43:18.000 And we are working on this and we do this together.

01:43:22.000 I love the fact that you believe that, and I think that it is possible.

01:43:25.000 And I really do.

01:43:27.000 I mean, I've been called a...

01:43:28.000 Cheers, my brother.

01:43:29.000 Cheers.

01:43:30.000 I think we live in a unique time because we can share information now in a way that was never possible just a decade ago.

01:43:37.000 And something like this, a podcast, it's free, and it goes out instantly, and then the world gets it.

01:43:44.000 Beautiful.

01:43:44.000 And then this information gets shared and transferred, and everybody gets a hold of it, and then it reshapes the way people think.

01:43:50.000 The millions of people that will listen to this, it will absolutely affect their lives.

01:43:54.000 And how many of them will act on it?

01:43:56.000 It's up to them.

01:43:57.000 But it is possible, and it will become viral because of that.

01:44:01.000 Your ideas are becoming viral.

01:44:03.000 Yes, and it's a non-dogmatic choice.

01:44:06.000 We give the people no religion, we give the people results, no speculation.

01:44:12.000 If you do this, then this happens.

01:44:15.000 And we want to bring back the natural state, which is healthy, strong and healthy.

01:44:22.000 Anybody can do this because it's endorsed with thousands of results.

01:44:26.000 And these are the means.

01:44:28.000 You are helping to make a paradigm shift possible.

01:44:33.000 So, it's great work, what you do.

01:44:35.000 And the world needs it.

01:44:36.000 And somebody needs to do it.

01:44:38.000 So, we do this together.

01:44:40.000 And for that, this is good.

01:44:42.000 It is very good.

01:44:43.000 But the beautiful thing about, it's not really work.

01:44:45.000 I'm just having a conversation with a cool guy.

01:44:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:44:49.000 That's the beautiful thing about this.

01:44:50.000 Likewise.

01:44:51.000 Now, do you monitor your diet at all?

01:44:53.000 Are you conscious about what kind of foods you eat?

01:44:55.000 Do you have a specific diet that you follow?

01:44:58.000 They messed up food really good.

01:45:01.000 They synthesized it and they volumized it and they make it really shiny.

01:45:06.000 If you take a paprika, you don't need a mirror.

01:45:10.000 Right.

01:45:11.000 But the nutrients therein, they are changed.

01:45:15.000 Maybe half or less than half of the nutrients which normally should be in there.

01:45:21.000 Vegetables, you mean, yeah.

01:45:23.000 Vegetables.

01:45:23.000 They're making you more durable.

01:45:24.000 Yes.

01:45:25.000 And also with the meat and all that.

01:45:29.000 So my diet is more vegetarian.

01:45:34.000 And I eat once a day.

01:45:37.000 Once a day?

01:45:37.000 Yeah, once a day after six.

01:45:39.000 After six?

01:45:40.000 After six.

01:45:40.000 So you haven't had anything to eat?

01:45:42.000 No.

01:45:45.000 After 35 years, today I had my breakfast.

01:45:48.000 Yeah.

01:45:50.000 I never have a breakfast, but it's because of the jet lag.

01:45:54.000 It took energy.

01:45:56.000 What time is it now in Holland?

01:45:58.000 In Holland, it's like a nine hours difference.

01:46:00.000 Nine hours ahead.

01:46:01.000 Ahead.

01:46:02.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:03.000 Well, that makes sense.

01:46:04.000 It's midnight.

01:46:04.000 It takes energy.

01:46:06.000 But because I have this control over the endocrine systems, the melatonin, serotonin, which is the day and the night, I didn't suffer any jet lag, but still it takes energy.

01:46:18.000 You don't suffer jet lag when you fly that far?

01:46:21.000 No, no, no.

01:46:23.000 That's, you know, hormones.

01:46:25.000 So by doing your breathing method, you can sort of mitigate that?

01:46:30.000 Is that what it is?

01:46:32.000 Yes, sir.

01:46:33.000 I have a rule that I follow whenever I go anywhere that I might get jet lag.

01:46:38.000 I go immediately to the gym.

01:46:40.000 It's the first thing I do.

01:46:41.000 That's your way to regain strength and connection with the body.

01:46:46.000 I exert myself in a very, very strong way.

01:46:49.000 I don't do a light workout.

01:46:51.000 I do a ferocious workout when I land, and it usually resets me.

01:46:55.000 Right.

01:46:56.000 Yeah, I understand.

01:46:57.000 Because if you do a ferocious workout, you get into the adrenaline axis of yourself as well.

01:47:05.000 Well, I do a lot of, people might think it's silly, but I do a lot of things when I work out.

01:47:10.000 One of the things that I do is I work myself into this state where I feel like what I'm doing is I'm fighting for my life.

01:47:16.000 I mean, it might sound crazy, but I put myself in a position.

01:47:20.000 Sounds beautiful.

01:47:22.000 If I lift weights or if I run on an elliptical machine or one of those things, do some sort of cardiovascular, I do it like I'm fighting for my life.

01:47:30.000 And I feel like that's the way to do it to get the maximum benefits of it.

01:47:34.000 Now, listening to you, it makes sense why I'm doing this.

01:47:37.000 I've just been doing this sort of instinctively because I feel like over the years of exercising, that's the way I've gotten the best results. 0.99

01:47:44.000 But people say, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:47:46.000 You're not fighting for your life. 0.99

01:47:47.000 Like, I know I'm not, but in my mind I am.

01:47:50.000 When I do it, I'm 100% committed to it because my survival depends on it.

01:47:56.000 You're literally fighting for your life when you do extremes like I do.

01:48:02.000 And you know it.

01:48:04.000 And you are very focused at that moment that you have to go beyond your conditioning.

01:48:10.000 You're not playing.

01:48:11.000 You're not pretending.

01:48:12.000 You're under the ice.

01:48:13.000 You are fighting for your life.

01:48:15.000 And, you know, a jet lag is something.

01:48:17.000 Out of your conditioning.

01:48:19.000 If you are conditioned, you're not able to surpass the effects of a jet lag.

01:48:27.000 But if you are able to get out of the conditioning, go through it all, then you are able to regain contact with the serotonin, melatonin balance within the body.

01:48:41.000 Yeah, overcome jet lag.

01:48:42.000 There is no jet lag.

01:48:44.000 So one meal a day in the evening, and what's typically a meal for you?

01:48:51.000 Oh, I like pasta.

01:48:53.000 I'm sorry.

01:48:54.000 It's terrible for you.

01:48:56.000 They say it's terrible, et cetera, but I like macaroni.

01:49:00.000 It's delicious.

01:49:02.000 I'm Italian.

01:49:03.000 I enjoy it.

01:49:03.000 It tastes great.

01:49:04.000 I love it, too.

01:49:05.000 I love it.

01:49:07.000 So you eat a lot of pasta?

01:49:09.000 Well, that's a lot of carbs.

01:49:10.000 You burn off a lot of calories, obviously, if you're doing all this crazy physical stuff.

01:49:13.000 I can eat anything.

01:49:14.000 I can eat anything, any amount, but I do it after 6 o'clock.

01:49:20.000 Why after 6 o'clock?

01:49:21.000 When you wake up in the morning, is it you're not hungry or is it a conscious decision?

01:49:24.000 I don't want to be stuffed.

01:49:26.000 I eat very lightly.

01:49:28.000 I eat very lightly in the morning.

01:49:30.000 My first meal is almost always fruit now.

01:49:33.000 That's mostly what I eat.

01:49:34.000 If I work out in the morning, I have like a few pieces of fruit, and I don't stuff myself.

01:49:39.000 I do it until I feel like I don't need anymore, and then I work out.

01:49:42.000 And then afterwards, I have something light.

01:49:44.000 Like today, I had some sushi.

01:49:45.000 Very light.

01:49:46.000 You know, not much.

01:49:47.000 Sounds great.

01:49:48.000 And then at dinner, I usually eat a lot.

01:49:50.000 But it's not about you, you know?

01:49:52.000 It's about those people who are Getting in so much.

01:49:57.000 Right.

01:49:58.000 It's not...

01:49:59.000 They don't use it in the body anymore.

01:50:02.000 They're taking in too many calories.

01:50:03.000 Yeah.

01:50:04.000 And they have no control.

01:50:06.000 But it tastes good.

01:50:07.000 This is about it.

01:50:07.000 See, I think for a lot of people, the problem is they go to a job that they don't really enjoy, and they're stuck in traffic, and then they get to work, and the reward is they'll have a donut.

01:50:16.000 They'll have some coffee.

01:50:17.000 They'll have an egg sausage sandwich with cheese and mayonnaise and...

01:50:24.000 But you're getting sensations when you're eating that that are pleasurable, and that's their reward.

01:50:30.000 And to take that reward away from them, you're giving them a few less bright spots, an otherwise dull day.

01:50:38.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly is what you call it.

01:50:42.000 And that's so.

01:50:44.000 The day's got to be dull.

01:50:46.000 We've got to bring back...

01:50:49.000 The intensity of the wonder of the day.

01:50:53.000 And that comes with being consciously connected with the depth of your physiological systems.

01:51:00.000 It also comes with making good choices as to what you do for a living and how you spend your time.

01:51:06.000 Oh, yes.

01:51:07.000 We need to be creative, all of us.

01:51:10.000 Because creation and being creative is the expression of the soul.

01:51:14.000 And the soul needs to breathe.

01:51:16.000 Like anything, you know?

01:51:18.000 And it needs to expand in consciousness.

01:51:20.000 Yeah, I've always had a real hard time with the expression creative people.

01:51:23.000 This guy's creative.

01:51:24.000 He's creative.

01:51:25.000 She's creative.

01:51:26.000 Because people are all creative.

01:51:28.000 Everyone's creative.

01:51:29.000 It's just a matter of finding what it is that you're creative with.

01:51:32.000 Some people are creative with constructing cars.

01:51:35.000 Some people are creative with clothing.

01:51:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:38.000 People are creative.

01:51:39.000 Like, it's a part of being a human being.

01:51:41.000 It's not...

01:51:41.000 Saying someone's a creative person is like saying they're a hard rock.

01:51:46.000 You know, everyone, everybody's creative.

01:51:49.000 Yeah, the serenity which goes along when people are creative is beautiful.

01:51:56.000 It's a natural part of being a child.

01:51:58.000 Every child draws and paints and plays with things and sculpts and makes little things, and it gets beaten out of us.

01:52:07.000 It gets beaten out of us in school and beaten out of us with jobs and beaten out of us with responsibilities and careers.

01:52:13.000 Pink Floyd.

01:52:14.000 Yeah.

01:52:15.000 Teacher, leave them kids hello. 1.00

01:52:17.000 All we all is just another brick in the wall.

01:52:22.000 Cheers, brother.

01:52:23.000 Yeah, my man.

01:52:27.000 Yeah, but for a lot of people, they're like, that's great, but how do I get out of this?

01:52:32.000 And that's, unfortunately, that's your own path.

01:52:35.000 You've got to figure that out on your own.

01:52:36.000 But if you can, the problem, people also, people get burdened down with bills and responsibilities and debt, credit card debt.

01:52:43.000 First of all, they get you with student loan debt.

01:52:44.000 I don't know how it is in Holland.

01:52:46.000 Do you guys have public universities?

01:52:48.000 Yes, yes, same thing.

01:52:50.000 Oh, man, there's a resistance to that in this country, and it makes me sick. 0.99

01:52:53.000 School should be fucking free. 0.99

01:52:55.000 It should be free. 0.97

01:52:56.000 You're not making any money, and we should encourage people to learn as much as possible so that they could contribute more.

01:53:01.000 And I don't know how to do it, but if I have to pay more taxes, Jesus Christ, I'll pay more taxes.

01:53:06.000 I think we should all be enthusiastic about people being able to get out of school without being hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.

01:53:14.000 I mean, we have an enormous problem in this country.

01:53:17.000 We don't have the same problem.

01:53:20.000 We got a partial, you know, you got to re-deposit the loan which you build up, something like that.

01:53:33.000 It's much smaller.

01:53:34.000 Yeah, it's smaller.

01:53:35.000 Yet it is not the solution.

01:53:39.000 The solution should be that the system is so complicated, so away from us, it should begin to look, people should be strong, healthy and happy.

01:53:55.000 Are we able to do that?

01:53:57.000 And that's what we do scientifically right now.

01:54:02.000 The science didn't prove it all.

01:54:15.000 There is more to prove.

01:54:17.000 And the school is not where we should live for.

01:54:22.000 The life is the school.

01:54:24.000 And in life, we should be happy, strong, and healthy.

01:54:27.000 That's the way we are naturally built.

01:54:30.000 It seems like it's all tied together, right?

01:54:32.000 Yes, yes.

01:54:34.000 It's quite logic, very simple, very effective, very there.

01:54:38.000 And, yeah, we just keep on making sense.

01:54:43.000 We lost the sense!

01:54:46.000 Do you think that society has moved too fast for our bodies?

01:54:49.000 I think this is all kind of tied together.

01:54:52.000 You're talking about depression and you're talking about how our body is not really designed to deal with the stress that it deals with without any of the physical taxing of the actual unit of the body itself.

01:55:05.000 You know, the stress of exercise, of exertion, of dealing with the environment and the cold Yes.

01:55:12.000 All these things are sort of there's demands that are on the body and the same could be said about the demands of society, the demands of our culture, the demands of civilization.

01:55:24.000 Do you think that maybe what's happened is...

01:55:28.000 That our civilization has gotten too advanced too fast and our bodies just have not been able to adapt.

01:55:33.000 So they're left in this state of confusion and anguish because they're trying to get what they...

01:55:39.000 There's reward systems that are deeply ingrained in our DNA and they're not being satisfied.

01:55:45.000 Yes, exactly.

01:55:46.000 That's the neural connection between the neocortex and the brainstem, the primitive part, the human part of the thinking, and the reptilian, the primitive brain, the brainstem, is cut off somehow.

01:56:03.000 And that's why we don't control the stress, just stress, which is stress hormone.

01:56:11.000 And the endocrine system is connected to the brainstem.

01:56:16.000 And we lost this.

01:56:17.000 And there's too much going on.

01:56:19.000 And we think the body will follow, but it is not following anymore.

01:56:23.000 We have problems.

01:56:24.000 And what we right now do is consciously bring back the neural Channeling between the neocortex with the brainstem.

01:56:35.000 And then I think it'll make sense again.

01:56:39.000 So exercise, breathing, diet, all in consciousness, mindfulness, all these things are connected to live a happy life.

01:56:47.000 Yes, because happiness is about controlling the endocrine systems, and they are resetting over there, and that needs neural challenging.

01:56:56.000 What is the difference between the way you approach a cold environment versus the way you approached...

01:57:03.000 What is the thing that you did in the desert with no water?

01:57:07.000 I did it with a physiologist, a doctor, who was monitoring me, and he saw...

01:57:15.000 Without me having prior experience in the heat.

01:57:19.000 You didn't have any experience in the heat at all?

01:57:22.000 No.

01:57:22.000 Where did you go and what did you do?

01:57:25.000 In Namib Desert.

01:57:26.000 Where's that?

01:57:28.000 Sausage Vallée near South Africa.

01:57:33.000 Yeah, I went down there and it's a very dry desert.

01:57:38.000 Maybe the driest desert in the world.

01:57:42.000 Maybe the second.

01:57:43.000 I don't know.

01:57:44.000 Enough to have an impact on the physiology.

01:57:48.000 And I went up there and I lost 5.2 liters of water.

01:57:55.000 Yeah, you know.

01:57:57.000 Things happening.

01:57:59.000 That's jugs.

01:58:01.000 So you ran a marathon?

01:58:03.000 Is that what it was?

01:58:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:58:04.000 So it was 26 miles in that desert?

01:58:06.000 Without drinking?

01:58:07.000 No drinking water at all?

01:58:08.000 No drinking.

01:58:08.000 Did you rehydrate beforehand?

01:58:10.000 Did you drink a shitload of water before you ran?

01:58:13.000 Two coffee.

01:58:14.000 Two cups of coffee.

01:58:17.000 I'm a little bit addicted to coffee.

01:58:19.000 I don't know if I'm going to master this.

01:58:21.000 It doesn't matter.

01:58:24.000 It tastes good.

01:58:26.000 But that's all.

01:58:28.000 No, my mind was already there, you know.

01:58:30.000 I'm going to do this, whatever.

01:58:35.000 No extra water or anything like that.

01:58:38.000 And so you brought in physiologists to monitor your body while you're doing this?

01:58:42.000 Yes, and then he saw all the range.

01:58:46.000 My core body temperature remained 37 degrees.

01:58:51.000 It's like, you know, the normal body core temperature.

01:58:54.000 But do I lost 5.2 liters of water?

01:58:58.000 So even in extreme conditions, you are able to control the body.

01:59:03.000 And while you're running, Are you actively engaging in these breathing exercises while you're running?

01:59:10.000 I always say to the persons who would do endurance, you know, long distance running, could be 100 kilometers or 100 miles or 500 miles, they probably are knowing, not probably, they have to know,

01:59:27.000 To breathe more than the normal conditioned breathing patterns which are shallow.

01:59:35.000 Because if you're not breathing deep enough, you will exhaust the reserves of oxygen in the tissue.

01:59:43.000 And then the man with the hammer comes.

01:59:46.000 You become acidic.

01:59:48.000 You're not able to run anymore.

01:59:50.000 That's because the depletion of the oxygen in the tissue is done.

01:59:54.000 I like the expression, the man with the hammer comes.

01:59:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:58.000 You're not able to do anything.

02:00:01.000 That's a crazy way to look at it, though.

02:00:03.000 And then the man with the hammer comes.

02:00:04.000 Yeah.

02:00:09.000 So, I always say, take one principle, because we have the ability to store up more oxygen, but then you have to go past your conditioned breathing pattern, which is too shallow.

02:00:22.000 And under performance, under pressure, it will just take the oxygen out of your tissue and then at a certain point it's depleted and you are not able to run anywhere because your pH levels become too low.

02:00:36.000 So you are able to influence while you perform.

02:00:46.000 Thinking, you know what thinking does, influencing cell level.

02:00:49.000 But, also, breathe more than you feel is needed.

02:00:55.000 Oh, okay.

02:00:57.000 So, if you're running and you're like...

02:00:58.000 Instead, you just go...

02:01:04.000 Take big deep breaths.

02:01:06.000 And just mess with your own body. 0.52

02:01:08.000 Then you're able to get into the tissue and maintain in the cell biology oxygen instead of disconnecting and becoming acidic.

02:01:21.000 Oxygen is inside and gets on and is producing energy.

02:01:25.000 It's called aerobic dissimulation.

02:01:27.000 It's a process in the cell.

02:01:29.000 But we are very able to do that.

02:01:31.000 And I do that and I show that people just in a couple of hours how to do it.

02:01:36.000 I stand with people like even barefoot in the snow, in short.

02:01:43.000 Say on day two or three for one hour in the horse stands.

02:01:48.000 You know the horse stands?

02:01:49.000 And then stand for one hour in shorts and freezing temperatures barefooted for one hour in the snow in horse stands because they influence coal takes oxygen to combust energy combustion and it takes energy and it needs oxygen.

02:02:10.000 And the horse stance is a performance.

02:02:14.000 It's a pressure.

02:02:15.000 So it creates heat?

02:02:17.000 It creates heat.

02:02:19.000 It creates control.

02:02:21.000 It shows that we are able to influence cell biology by bringing consciously more oxygen inside, thus producing more energy.

02:02:33.000 So how do you keep people from getting frostbite?

02:02:38.000 Because I would think that standing in the snow barefoot could make you get frostbite.

02:02:43.000 After an hour, they are still not suffering from frostbite, anything.

02:02:49.000 So how do you get frostbite then?

02:02:50.000 We begin to sing and we begin to have fun.

02:02:53.000 Are you guys drinking while this is going on?

02:02:55.000 I had these East European and Russian people coming to my place as well.

02:03:01.000 And they look really tough and this and that.

02:03:05.000 And they have this attitude.

02:03:06.000 I say...

02:03:07.000 Okay, let's do an experiment.

02:03:10.000 If somebody is very tough, etc.

02:03:13.000 We take a bottle of vodka, we put it in front of us, we stand outside in the horse stands, Barefooted.

02:03:22.000 And then in one hour or one half hour, we drink all the bottle and still remain in balance because the cold is affected if you get alcohol in the blood.

02:03:36.000 So you need more oxygen.

02:03:38.000 You need more control.

02:03:39.000 And we drink the whole bottle of vodka.

02:03:42.000 Oh, you drink vodka, not water, vodka.

02:03:45.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, vodka.

02:03:46.000 I think you said water.

02:03:47.000 Yeah, vodka comes from the word water.

02:03:51.000 Water is water. 0.98

02:03:53.000 That's how crazy Russians are. 1.00

02:03:58.000 Vodka water, same thing. 0.99

02:04:01.000 Just drink.

02:04:03.000 So they put a bottle of vodka in front of them.

02:04:07.000 And they have to drink the whole bottle.

02:04:09.000 I do crazy experiments.

02:04:12.000 I guess.

02:04:12.000 Yeah, man.

02:04:13.000 Come on.

02:04:15.000 Life is crazy.

02:04:16.000 You gotta do crazy experiments.

02:04:18.000 Under anybody's definition, life is crazy.

02:04:21.000 But we're having fun.

02:04:23.000 But we never did it.

02:04:26.000 But I think, you know, if you have a hangover, a hangover, you know, then if you do 20 minutes just breathing, Then you have no hangover anymore.

02:04:39.000 It works that way.

02:04:41.000 You are learning to detox yourself in 20 minutes.

02:04:45.000 I have a guy that I do podcasts with occasionally.

02:04:48.000 His name is Dr. Carl Hart and he's an addiction specialist and brilliant guy.

02:04:52.000 And he explained hangovers to me in a way that I never understood.

02:04:57.000 We have this very confused sense of what addiction is, and he said what a hangover is, is your body being addicted to alcohol, even from one binge session.

02:05:07.000 Your body creates these mitigating responses to the alcohol, and then when the alcohol is no longer present, your body has this horrible headache, and what it is is a compensatory response to the alcohol.

02:05:19.000 That's what it is.

02:05:20.000 Amazing.

02:05:22.000 Adaptive.

02:05:22.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what a hangover is.

02:05:24.000 Adaptive forces.

02:05:25.000 Yeah, so he redefines the premise of addiction, and he believes that our ideas of addiction are very self-limiting.

02:05:33.000 Yes.

02:05:33.000 So we have very self-limiting ideas about our control over life itself.

02:05:41.000 Yes, and then your breathing method just flushes this out of the system.

02:05:47.000 Yeah, in any sense.

02:05:49.000 What other athletes have you worked with other than Alistair?

02:05:54.000 Olympic sports, like rowing people, people doing judo.

02:06:03.000 Also very aerobic, right?

02:06:05.000 Yeah, skaters, hockey team.

02:06:13.000 And when did these people start coming to you?

02:06:16.000 Yeah, whenever I had the scientifically endorsed results, this is when people begin to think, hey man, this is real.

02:06:25.000 People think when it is scientifically proved, then something is real.

02:06:30.000 Now, how do you have the time to engage all these people?

02:06:33.000 I mean, it seems like you've got a lot of people pulling on your time now, right?

02:06:37.000 Yeah.

02:06:37.000 Yeah, it does.

02:06:39.000 But once again, I got my mission.

02:06:42.000 My mission is to help as much children in the world as possible.

02:06:46.000 We have to bring back care and love.

02:06:48.000 And this is my mission.

02:06:50.000 And I believe in what I do.

02:06:53.000 So let the science come.

02:06:55.000 But the science, as I see it sometimes, is as fast as a slow turtle.

02:07:02.000 The science has to be very thorough.

02:07:04.000 The problem is you're legitimate, 100%, but a lot of people are not. 0.97

02:07:09.000 I've had a lot of people on this podcast that I thought were legit, and then after talking to them, and then after going over their stuff, and then after being in contact with people who've criticized their work, you realize they're bullshit artists. 0.96

02:07:21.000 They're just really good at being a bullshit artist, and some of the stuff they say is true. 0.97

02:07:25.000 That's the art itself. 0.99

02:07:26.000 It is, it is. 1.00

02:07:27.000 Unfortunately, those people, they bullshit themselves as well. 1.00

02:07:30.000 That's one of the fascinating things about bullshit artists, is they're their own victim. 1.00

02:07:34.000 They're the victim of their own work. 0.99

02:07:37.000 A guy like you, it's frustrating to you because you are legit and you want this message to get out there.

02:07:42.000 But that scientific method is critical because that scientific method is also establishing the veracity of your work.

02:07:49.000 It's establishing that absolutely what you're doing is provable and it's real.

02:07:54.000 It's one of the things that makes you so unique is the fact that it's not just you and your method.

02:07:58.000 It's not just anecdotal evidence.

02:08:00.000 It's the fact that there's a bunch of people out there that have actually tested you that have no vested interest whatsoever in you being accurate.

02:08:06.000 In fact, would probably like to debunk you just as much as they would like to prove you accurate.

02:08:12.000 And they can't.

02:08:12.000 And that's when things get very, very, very interesting.

02:08:15.000 What's fascinating to me is that you're this one guy. 0.98

02:08:18.000 You're like an outlier in the most extreme sense of the term because there's seven billion people and this one guy has figured some shit out. 0.97

02:08:27.000 What if you weren't around, man? 0.99

02:08:29.000 What if you didn't exist? 1.00

02:08:30.000 We might never figure this shit out. 1.00

02:08:32.000 It might be a hundred years before somebody figured it out. 1.00

02:08:34.000 You know?

02:08:35.000 It makes you wonder what people knew.

02:08:37.000 Now we work together.

02:08:39.000 Yes.

02:08:41.000 I do not only love you, I love your work.

02:08:44.000 I love your spirit.

02:08:45.000 No, I love the spirit.

02:08:47.000 And that's why I love you.

02:08:49.000 You know, for what we do.

02:08:50.000 And it needs to be done.

02:08:52.000 Somebody needs to do it.

02:08:54.000 And if we do it together, we are stronger.

02:08:56.000 Well, listen, I love you too, and I love your spirit, and I love what you're doing, and I will help you in any way I can.

02:09:01.000 I will get this word out as much as possible.

02:09:03.000 I believe what you're doing, man.

02:09:05.000 I think what's fascinating is that the parlor tricks, as it were, or your feats, your amazing endurance feats, that's what's bringing people to you.

02:09:16.000 When you see you on Everest in your shorts, There's this one image of you out in the snow, and you're bouncing on some ice. 0.98

02:09:28.000 That gets people going, what the fuck is this guy doing?

02:09:32.000 And then they start researching it, and then they start realizing, whoa, this guy, there's been scientific examinations of his claims, and it holds up. 0.95

02:09:41.000 Here's this one image of you here.

02:09:44.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:09:45.000 That's a great picture, man. 1.00

02:09:46.000 When people see shit like that, they go, what the fuck is this crazy guy doing? 1.00

02:09:50.000 He's got no shorts on, he's out in the snow, it's freezing cold out, and he's having a great time. 1.00

02:09:56.000 It's very contagious in a lot of ways.

02:09:59.000 I have a great time, man.

02:10:01.000 Seems like.

02:10:02.000 What's going on here?

02:10:02.000 What is in this picture here?

02:10:04.000 This is Columbia Sportswear.

02:10:06.000 This is a commercial.

02:10:08.000 Oh, it's a commercial they did for you.

02:10:10.000 Yeah, they did it.

02:10:12.000 And that's on the Mont Blanc and that's in the Alps.

02:10:20.000 Wow.

02:10:21.000 Yeah, more stuff.

02:10:24.000 That's a crazy picture to see you out there in that frozen tundra in your shorts.

02:10:30.000 Yeah.

02:10:31.000 No shirt on.

02:10:32.000 It's all there, you know.

02:10:33.000 How about the one when you're up there in the lotus position?

02:10:35.000 Yeah, that one.

02:10:37.000 Where's that?

02:10:38.000 That's Iceland.

02:10:40.000 Iceland.

02:10:40.000 Jesus.

02:10:41.000 Now, how do you keep your legs from getting frostbite?

02:10:44.000 What causes frostbite and how are you able to stop that from happening?

02:10:49.000 We got an ability to maintain...

02:10:54.000 Above zero within the cell biology.

02:10:59.000 But as we not expose ourselves anymore, we get frostbite, etc.

02:11:04.000 But if you get into the system and you learn to control right and you get the right pH degrees, then the frostbite will not come because we got a mechanism to do that.

02:11:20.000 That will bring the cell temperature just above zero.

02:11:25.000 That means in Fahrenheit, what is it?

02:11:28.000 32. Because if it gets below, you get irreparable cell damage.

02:11:34.000 But yeah, we are mammals and we are able to do that, like dogs and etc.

02:11:39.000 Well, we know that people adapt to certain environments.

02:11:42.000 You know, like they know that Inuits have adapted a very interesting ability with their hands, where their hands don't freeze up and get numb.

02:11:51.000 Whereas a person like me from California, if I was in their environment, I would have a real struggle.

02:11:56.000 But for them, it comes natural, and their body's adapted to this extremely harsh environment.

02:12:02.000 It seems like...

02:12:03.000 Human beings are much more pliable than we give them credit for.

02:12:07.000 That's the adaptive power which we have and never resort to because we live in a comfort zone, a kind of behavior, and we think we can control nature.

02:12:21.000 But as long as we do not control what makes us happy, strong, and healthy, we have no control at all.

02:12:28.000 And I want to bring it over there.

02:12:31.000 That's interesting.

02:12:32.000 So what we've been doing is trying to control nature.

02:12:35.000 We've been trying to build houses and heat them up.

02:12:38.000 And we've been trying to control the environment instead of control ourselves to adapt to the environment.

02:12:44.000 Exactly.

02:12:45.000 And it's nice to have a nice fireplace and everything accommodated, etc.

02:12:52.000 But sometimes, like a dog, you need to go out.

02:12:56.000 And you know what else, too? 1.00

02:12:57.000 The fireplace, you don't appreciate that fireplace unless you're cold as fuck. 0.99

02:13:00.000 That's when you really appreciate it. 0.99

02:13:02.000 It's when you really begin to enjoy.

02:13:04.000 Yeah, like after your eyeballs thaw out.

02:13:07.000 Like, are you talking about going blind?

02:13:09.000 I bet if you got in front of a fire then, it would be a glorious fire.

02:13:13.000 You're very silent and serene at that moment.

02:13:16.000 Enjoying every bit.

02:13:18.000 We need the harsh to appreciate the mellow.

02:13:21.000 We need hard things to appreciate soft things.

02:13:25.000 We need violence, I think, sometimes to appreciate peace.

02:13:29.000 There's something fascinating about human beings that we almost are designed to overcome.

02:13:35.000 And if we do not overcome, we find ourselves lost.

02:13:39.000 Yes, and it's all about consciousness.

02:13:43.000 Being aware of life itself, which is a wonder.

02:13:48.000 So we are going to bring it back first chemically and then make understandable that consciousness and love are the best things on earth, accessible for everybody.

02:14:01.000 Now, are you experiencing over, like, how, what has been the last, like, few years?

02:14:07.000 Like, what has it been like where people are awakening themselves to your accomplishments and your work and your belief?

02:14:13.000 What has it been like?

02:14:14.000 It seems like is at least me on the outside becoming more and more aware of you.

02:14:19.000 It's like I'm getting people tweet at me all the time with your videos and articles about you and all these different people ask me about getting you on.

02:14:27.000 It seems like there's an awakening that's going on.

02:14:30.000 How much of a requirement has that been on your time and you?

02:14:34.000 And what does that feel like to you, to have all these people sort of like overwhelmingly coming after you now?

02:14:40.000 Yeah, I love it.

02:14:41.000 I love it.

02:14:43.000 And I think this way and being with people like you, like Joe Rogan, is an entity.

02:14:51.000 It's not just you.

02:14:53.000 It's more.

02:14:54.000 It's an image.

02:14:55.000 We've got to use and abuse.

02:14:57.000 All this for the goal to bring it non-dogmatically to anybody and every person in the world.

02:15:05.000 We want to make the world happy.

02:15:07.000 We want to make it strong and healthy.

02:15:09.000 We want to bring consciousness of the wonders of life itself.

02:15:14.000 And as long as it is not there, then all these people who tweeted you And who are helping me now.

02:15:24.000 That's the way I feel it.

02:15:26.000 It's love itself that brings me toward this mission and the destination of it.

02:15:36.000 It's helping children, love and care.

02:15:38.000 I thank these people very, very much from the heart.

02:15:42.000 And we still need to go on.

02:15:44.000 So we all need you.

02:15:46.000 You keep bringing up children.

02:15:48.000 That's a primary focus.

02:15:50.000 Is that because you feel like they're the most receptive to new ideas?

02:15:55.000 Exactly.

02:15:55.000 They are open and they have to learn from people who are wise.

02:16:00.000 You know, we are the elders.

02:16:03.000 Somebody's got to do it.

02:16:04.000 And that's us.

02:16:06.000 So we have the responsibility.

02:16:09.000 And are we able to respond?

02:16:12.000 And that's right now, right here.

02:16:15.000 That's why I'm here with you.

02:16:17.000 And you're asking, and I can feel you go deeper into it all.

02:16:28.000 What is deeper than love?

02:16:30.000 What is deeper than the care for a child?

02:16:33.000 And that's what we need.

02:16:35.000 And once it begins to establish the love continuously, without fear of disease, without fear of being unhappy, without fear of having no energy, etc., then the love will bloom.

02:16:50.000 Because that's the natural flower of every person.

02:16:56.000 That's why I call it children.

02:16:58.000 We have to make this beautiful, beautiful planet, which is actually the best spot in all the universe.

02:17:07.000 We don't need to look beyond Mars or there or there or there.

02:17:12.000 Just look within and make this world a better place in harmony with the nature.

02:17:17.000 And it begins with the children.

02:17:19.000 I share that idea and I've been saying to people for a long time that one of the things that makes me so enthusiastic and so optimistic about the future is the fact that we can reach kids now in a way that we couldn't reach them before.

02:17:31.000 We can reach kids with ideas and with open-mindedness and with just massive amounts of information that just weren't available before.

02:17:38.000 That if you can change their opinion or inform them or expose them to new ideas that generate new creative ideas inside them Then you have broken the system and this system that's designed to carve paths that have already been They've already been traveled and then you know I want to be a lawyer just like my dad and you get on that same fucking path and you get stuck and And I think now there's an infinite number of paths and they're branching off into infinite different directions

02:18:09.000 and new streams and new tributaries.

02:18:12.000 And I think we live in a beautiful time because of that.

02:18:15.000 Because a guy like you in Holland can get your ideas out.

02:18:19.000 You see, I do a few things and then all of a sudden people know about it and then it spreads.

02:18:23.000 And then you connect with other people and you connect to me and I connect to the internet.

02:18:27.000 And then it connects us and then there's people that are...

02:18:30.000 Practicing what you do, and then they're going to tell their friends, and they're going to tweet about it and write blogs about it, and boom, boom, boom, and make videos, and then it's overwhelming.

02:18:39.000 It becomes overwhelming, and then it becomes a natural part of life.

02:18:42.000 Yes.

02:18:43.000 And it is overwhelming.

02:18:44.000 The wonder of life is overwhelming.

02:18:46.000 It is.

02:18:47.000 And media is helping us.

02:18:49.000 It is.

02:18:50.000 The internet and all that.

02:18:51.000 This kind of media is the best because no one's controlling it.

02:18:54.000 You know, the fact that anybody...

02:18:56.000 You could start your own podcast right now.

02:18:58.000 Nobody is controlling it.

02:18:59.000 You ever thought about starting a podcast?

02:19:01.000 No, not yet.

02:19:02.000 Why not?

02:19:02.000 I got this.

02:19:04.000 I got him to help me on the podcast.

02:19:06.000 You never did this.

02:19:07.000 Why didn't you do that?

02:19:10.000 We'll talk to him.

02:19:11.000 Jamie will school him.

02:19:12.000 We'll get this straight.

02:19:13.000 Right on.

02:19:14.000 So beside the Harvard thing, the studies, what else do you have going on that people can look forward to?

02:19:19.000 We got different universities and we got different protocols out to do work on arthritis.

02:19:29.000 Arthritis.

02:19:30.000 Yeah.

02:19:30.000 And different autoimmune diseases in general.

02:19:34.000 And about depression.

02:19:36.000 I want to get...

02:19:37.000 We are able to control depression.

02:19:40.000 Really.

02:19:41.000 That's amazing.

02:19:42.000 I mean, that's a huge, huge, huge problem, not just in this country, but all over the world.

02:19:47.000 Yes, exactly.

02:19:48.000 It's one of the main problems that plagues modern human beings.

02:19:51.000 Yes, and it's not so difficult.

02:19:54.000 It's very simple.

02:19:55.000 But, you know, the genius of things is to make things simple, and that's belief.

02:20:01.000 We are built to be happy, strong, and healthy.

02:20:03.000 We just need to go back to nature, the natural laws within us, and connect again.

02:20:12.000 Very simple.

02:20:14.000 Is there anything that people should read that you've done or watch besides the Vice documentary?

02:20:22.000 Is there anything else that you recommend people check out?

02:20:26.000 You know, this study, which we did, It's actually the first study that showed that the autonomic nervous system in relationship with the endocrine systems and immune systems are deeply able to be influenced.

02:20:44.000 So bacteria has no chance. 0.58

02:20:47.000 Things like that, you know?

02:20:49.000 That's crazy because that's also, you know, I had a friend of mine who got a staph infection, a horrible staph infection.

02:20:55.000 I posted a photo of it online the other day because he got MRSA, which is medication-resistant staph infection.

02:21:00.000 It's horrific.

02:21:02.000 Horrific.

02:21:02.000 He should do this.

02:21:04.000 You think that something like this could help that?

02:21:07.000 I think I'm sure about it.

02:21:09.000 But my son, my team, is always saying, I don't say you are curing people, unless it is totally scientifically proved.

02:21:19.000 It was 25 years ago.

02:21:21.000 I stated something that is scientifically proved now, and it changes science as it is.

02:21:27.000 Well, I think what they're doing is they want to rein you in just because they understand the importance of what you're saying.

02:21:33.000 Yeah.

02:21:34.000 And that, you know, they're optimistic, but cautiously optimistic.

02:21:39.000 It is so.

02:21:40.000 But if I see the person and always they won't get worse of it, at least.

02:21:48.000 And I saw miracles happening because life is a miracle.

02:21:52.000 I saw people getting back to life.

02:21:55.000 To be in connection with life and trust within their own natural ability.

02:22:01.000 And then changing all the disbalances so much that they felt confident within their own bodies again.

02:22:11.000 And regaining control over the immune systems.

02:22:16.000 And then diseases go.

02:22:20.000 It's very simple.

02:22:21.000 You just need to do it.

02:22:23.000 You just need to activate those systems that are already inherent in the body.

02:22:26.000 Exactly.

02:22:27.000 You know, I just think guys like you...

02:22:29.000 I mean, I want to say guys like you, but I don't know anybody else like you.

02:22:32.000 But I think what you've done is so amazing and so important because out of all these human beings, of all this stuff that's going on, all the different activities and interactions, all the different thoughts...

02:22:43.000 It just takes one person to step out with a new, unique idea that could be completely revolutionary and change the way people behave and the way people interface with nature.

02:22:54.000 And I think you've done that.

02:22:55.000 And I thank you very much, man.

02:22:57.000 Thank you for coming on here.

02:22:58.000 I really, really appreciate it.

02:22:59.000 I love you.

02:23:00.000 It's a pleasure.

02:23:01.000 I love your work.

02:23:02.000 Thank you.

02:23:03.000 And keep on and...

02:23:05.000 We do it together.

02:23:06.000 Yes, absolutely.

02:23:07.000 We are all on the same mission, bringing back love and confidence that we are able to do, you know, to be a part of this wonder.

02:23:16.000 Well, anything you ever need tweeted or put on Facebook or put on the podcast, just let me know and you got an open invitation to come back anytime you want.

02:23:23.000 I really appreciate it.

02:23:24.000 Yes, sir.

02:23:25.000 Thank you very much.

02:23:26.000 Wim Hof, ladies and gentlemen.

02:23:27.000 And your Twitter page is what?

02:23:29.000 It's Iceman...

02:23:30.000 What is it?

02:23:31.000 Innerfire.nl?

02:23:33.000 No, the Twitter page is...

02:23:34.000 It's actually Iceman Hoff.

02:23:39.000 It's Iceman underscore HOF. And that's the Twitter page.

02:23:45.000 And your website is...

02:23:47.000 What is your website?

02:23:48.000 Your website is...

02:23:51.000 Wim Hof... 0.69

02:23:52.000 What is it?

02:23:53.000 Wim Hof Method dot com.

02:23:56.000 Wim Hof Method. 0.57

02:23:57.000 W-I-M-H-O-F Method dot com.

02:24:01.000 Thank you, brother.

02:24:02.000 Appreciate it.

02:24:02.000 Right on.

02:24:03.000 All right, folks.

02:24:04.000 See you soon.

02:24:06.000 Mother, holy mama. 0.63

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 21, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #712 - Wim Hof

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