The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #714 - John Wayne Parr

00:00:00.000 Yes!

00:00:01.000 That's my ode to Brody Stevens.

00:00:02.000 What's up, brother?

00:00:03.000 How are you?

00:00:04.000 Great to see you.

00:00:04.000 Mate, I can't believe I'm here again.

00:00:06.000 This is awesome.

00:00:06.000 Can't believe you're here again, too.

00:00:08.000 I can't believe five days ago you were in a world title fight.

00:00:10.000 Look at you.

00:00:11.000 You look great.

00:00:12.000 Yeah, I was straight after the fight.

00:00:14.000 I had to go to hospital.

00:00:15.000 I spent about four hours in hospital.

00:00:16.000 I thought I broke my foot, but luckily all the x-rays came back clear.

00:00:20.000 Swelling's going down a lot now, so at one stage, yeah, I didn't think I was going to be able to fight December the 5th, but it looks like I'm on now with Cyrus.

00:00:26.000 Oh, wow.

00:00:27.000 Okay, so did you kick an elbow or something?

00:00:29.000 Do you know?

00:00:30.000 Who knows?

00:00:30.000 I kicked his knees about half a dozen times.

00:00:33.000 It didn't hurt because my face was so jacked up from all the cuts.

00:00:37.000 And then it wasn't until I was getting stitched up that I noticed my foot was starting to go elephantitis.

00:00:42.000 Expand.

00:00:43.000 And then once the stitch was done...

00:00:45.000 I saw a cyborg come into the change room to get a photo with me, and as I stood up to get a photo with her, then I realized the pain was rushing to my foot.

00:00:50.000 I was like, okay, I think my foot's broken.

00:00:53.000 Luckily, there was an ambulance there.

00:00:55.000 We got straight into the emergency, and then, yeah, got on to the painkillers, which took me into a different dimension.

00:01:02.000 What did they give you?

00:01:03.000 What stuff?

00:01:04.000 I don't know.

00:01:05.000 It's different names here in America to Australia.

00:01:08.000 Oh, okay.

00:01:09.000 Like oxycodones or something along those lines?

00:01:12.000 It was straight in with an injection.

00:01:13.000 Oh, probably morphine.

00:01:14.000 Yeah.

00:01:14.000 That's the good stuff.

00:01:16.000 This pink elephant came into the room and started chatting to me and said, Hey, I don't think your foot's not broken, but you are in a different galaxy now, so welcome. 1.00

00:01:26.000 That was pretty cool. 0.99

00:01:27.000 Was it really a pink elephant or are you just fucking around? 1.00

00:01:29.000 I could be possibly fucking around. 1.00

00:01:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:01:34.000 So you've had 300 and how many stitches in your face?

00:01:38.000 15 now, 315. 315 now.

00:01:40.000 I broke 300 about four weeks before I got to America with an accident in the gym sparring.

00:01:46.000 And I thought, okay, 300, you beauty.

00:01:48.000 And then Cosmo was polite enough to give me another two cuts with another 15 stitches.

00:01:54.000 So now I thought my plateau was 300. So now my next goal, I guess, is 400 because I've already passed the 315. Oh my goodness.

00:02:02.000 Who's got the most stitches in their face ever in Muay Thai?

00:02:05.000 Oh, mate, that's a good question.

00:02:06.000 I reckon I'd have to be close.

00:02:07.000 You've got to be up there.

00:02:08.000 I'd have to be.

00:02:10.000 But I'm starting to...

00:02:11.000 Now my doctor, he said...

00:02:13.000 Because I bring my own doctor with me when I come to fight everywhere around the world.

00:02:16.000 And he said it's just scars breaking on scars now.

00:02:19.000 I've got the Nick Diaz sort of eyebrows.

00:02:22.000 So this one's had at least maybe 80 in it alone, this eye.

00:02:26.000 One left eye, 80 stitches.

00:02:28.000 Well, that's the main, because that's the right elbow too coming down.

00:02:30.000 Well, that's the knock on Muay Thai as opposed to glory, which unfortunately they just got...

00:02:38.000 They lost their deal with Spike TV or cancelled their agreement with Spike TV. I don't know what happens, but they pulled Glory off Spike, which is really very disappointing for me as a fan of kickboxing, and I was just hoping that that would translate into people getting more understanding in this country of high-level kickboxing.

00:03:01.000 Yeah, I was lucky.

00:03:05.000 Glory was the one and then you had the lion fight.

00:03:08.000 So I reached out to Scott Kent with the lion fight and I said, oh mate, is there any chance you can put me on?

00:03:13.000 I've seen how much exposure they're having with AXS TV and with their deal.

00:03:19.000 Everyone in the world is paying attention to the lion fight right now.

00:03:22.000 And because it's pure Muay Thai as well, I thought this is definitely the show to try and be on to raise the profile.

00:03:28.000 So I jumped on board and then I'm so devastated that I lost.

00:03:32.000 It was such a tough fight.

00:03:34.000 But at the same time, even though I'm lost and I'm sad, I knew that I gave 100%.

00:03:40.000 And hopefully the crowd was entertained enough to hopefully invite me back and hopefully Scott was happy with my performance.

00:03:46.000 It was a great, fun fight.

00:03:48.000 But what I was going to say is that glory doesn't have elbows.

00:03:51.000 And the thing that people worry about with lion fight and pure Muay Thai is that there's a lot of cuts.

00:03:57.000 And a lot of people get cut, and primarily get cut by elbows.

00:04:01.000 But the way I look at it is that it's an excellent weapon.

00:04:06.000 And if you should be able to kick, or if you're able to kick, and you're able to knee to the face, and you're able to...

00:04:12.000 Do all the things you can in MMA. Why can't you elbow in Muay Thai?

00:04:16.000 And why can't you clinch?

00:04:19.000 Yeah, exactly the same as MMA. How can you take away the rules and water it down into one sort of category and then call...

00:04:27.000 I think it's hard.

00:04:28.000 The same deal when Nathan Corbett came over here.

00:04:31.000 He's the elbow master.

00:04:32.000 And then when he came over here to fight for glory, he got beaten by Spong.

00:04:36.000 He got beaten by Saki.

00:04:37.000 And everyone's saying...

00:04:39.000 Well, but if he had his elbows, that would have changed the...

00:04:41.000 Maybe.

00:04:42.000 Who knows?

00:04:42.000 You'll never know.

00:04:43.000 But you certainly, it makes you think.

00:04:46.000 And, you know, when you're thinking, that's bad.

00:04:49.000 In the cage or in the ring or wherever you're competing, the idea is to train so hard and train exactly how you're going to fight so that it all comes out automatically.

00:04:59.000 And when your automatic instinct for Nathan, I mean, how many fights has he had?

00:05:03.000 I think close to 70. Yeah, I mean, think about all those fights that he had throwing elbows.

00:05:07.000 Think about all those training sessions throwing elbows.

00:05:10.000 And then all of a sudden he's in positions where he's like, okay, don't throw an elbow.

00:05:13.000 Because that's normal.

00:05:14.000 You're getting in the clinch and it's just normal for you.

00:05:17.000 Yes.

00:05:18.000 And then all of a sudden they tell you you can't do it.

00:05:19.000 I mean, it's problematic.

00:05:21.000 I mean, it's nice for these guys to be able to have another outlet.

00:05:25.000 I know Tyrone Spong is doing some boxing now, just some straight boxing, which...

00:05:31.000 I think probably at least he has shoes on, so he'll be just thinking that it'll help him not throw kicks and not thinking he can throw elbows and things.

00:05:40.000 The guys who are the best and the guys who are the best at that particular style of Muay Thai, it'd be great to see them use all their weapons.

00:05:49.000 It'd be great to see them utilize all the techniques of Muay Thai.

00:05:52.000 You see how technical Muay Thai is.

00:05:55.000 I don't think people from the outside that are watching it appreciate it for what it really is.

00:06:02.000 It's incredibly intense and technical martial art.

00:06:07.000 Yeah, well, Thailand's how many hundred years old?

00:06:10.000 So it's already perfected to the rule set, and then everyone's trying to water it down to make it their own specific sort of rule set.

00:06:19.000 But it's not the authentic...

00:06:21.000 When you keep it as it is, the product's already there.

00:06:24.000 You don't have to change it.

00:06:25.000 It's already fine and perfect enough and fast.

00:06:29.000 So it's a shame that different organizations are trying to...

00:06:33.000 I suppose people don't like the clinch as much.

00:06:35.000 Sometimes they think it's getting a little bit boring.

00:06:37.000 And plus when you get two guys that aren't at a certain level, it does seem a little bit sort of dull.

00:06:43.000 It's not entertaining.

00:06:44.000 But in the early levels.

00:06:45.000 But so does grappling in a very low level.

00:06:48.000 So does a lot of things at a low level.

00:06:49.000 But I don't think you should ever Sort of make rules that are dictated just to make people that are at a low-level fight in a more fan-friendly, enjoyable way.

00:06:59.000 I think you should just allow the people that are watching it to see the difference between a novice and someone who's an expert and see someone who uses the clinch to their advantage and see all the different techniques that can be landed from the clinch, the use of the knees, the elbows from the break.

00:07:16.000 You know, there's a lot of beautiful techniques that can be used from the clinch that you don't see because what Glory has done is sort of adopt the rules of K1, which the Japanese had kind of decided, hey, there's got to be a way to make these guys fight in a more exciting and fast-paced way.

00:07:32.000 Let's make the rounds, you know, just let's make the fight shorter instead of having many rounds, like 10 rounds or 12 rounds or something like a boxing match. 0.66

00:07:41.000 Let's just do like three rounds and have them go fucking crazy for three rounds, you know?

00:07:46.000 Yeah, when I fought in Europe, I fought in an organization called Super League back in 2003, 2004. And that was the same deal. 0.93

00:07:54.000 Again, we're not going to spend airfare money...

00:07:56.000 Flying you all the way from Australia and get cut in the first round and have the fight stop 60 seconds in.

00:08:01.000 Otherwise, it's a waste of money for us.

00:08:02.000 So we'll keep the knees, we'll keep everything else, but we'll just eliminate the elbows just in case that does happen.

00:08:08.000 Does Lion Fight do drug testing?

00:08:11.000 There was no urinary test after mine.

00:08:14.000 Nothing?

00:08:14.000 No.

00:08:15.000 Wow.

00:08:16.000 I think we're in Vegas, and now they've moved to Temecula.

00:08:23.000 I think they're on the other side as well.

00:08:24.000 I forget the other place they're at, but no, there was no one waiting for a jar for me.

00:08:29.000 Now, is Temecula, it's a casino, right?

00:08:33.000 Yes.

00:08:34.000 You guys were at a casino?

00:08:35.000 Yes.

00:08:35.000 Pechanga, is that what it is?

00:08:36.000 Yes.

00:08:36.000 And is that a Native American reservation where they can do whatever they want?

00:08:40.000 They have their own regulations?

00:08:42.000 Yes.

00:08:42.000 You know, they kept martial arts alive, mixed martial arts alive in California.

00:08:46.000 Native American reservations did because they put on King of the Cage in Native American reservations when you couldn't have MMA in California.

00:08:55.000 It was illegal.

00:08:56.000 And so we used to drive out We're good to go.

00:09:20.000 Boy, I would like it if they drug tested guys.

00:09:23.000 Yeah, I'd definitely feel a lot safer if I knew I wasn't fighting pure animals. 0.99

00:09:29.000 Just dudes, juice to the tits. 1.00

00:09:31.000 Well, Cosmo Alexander's a big fella, and he's quite a bit larger than you. 0.99

00:09:36.000 The guy that you fought was...

00:09:37.000 He's about 6'3".

00:09:40.000 When they announced him, they said 6'1", but there's no way he's 6'1".

00:09:43.000 When I was looking up at him, when the referee brought us together, it was like looking at Michael Jordan or something. 0.99

00:09:48.000 I said, holy shit. 0.98

00:09:50.000 And then once the fight starts too, just trying to bridge that gap, they get into his range. 0.99

00:09:56.000 It was either...

00:09:57.000 As you explode in to try and land your combinations, those knees are flying past your head, left and right.

00:10:04.000 Yeah, it just makes it so much harder when they're so big.

00:10:06.000 And the funny thing is he can make, I think 70 is 155. He can cut all the way down.

00:10:12.000 What?

00:10:12.000 Yeah.

00:10:13.000 His last fight before he fought me was 71 kilos.

00:10:16.000 And I know before that he's fought at 70. And Ben, he's not a skinny 70 either.

00:10:20.000 Once he feels right out after a weigh-in, he's still got the muscles and he still looks like a V. Yeah.

00:10:27.000 And to his credit, I beat him back in 2008 and he's just improved.

00:10:34.000 Lips and browns.

00:10:35.000 The way that he fought me on Friday night, he fought really well.

00:10:39.000 He used his range, he used good power.

00:10:42.000 His power was so crazy.

00:10:44.000 Everything he hit me with was loaded.

00:10:46.000 So, yeah, good full credit to him.

00:10:48.000 I tried my best.

00:10:50.000 But yeah, he was just on his game.

00:10:52.000 Yeah, he looked very, very sharp.

00:10:54.000 There were some great moments in that fight.

00:10:55.000 It's really interesting, man.

00:10:57.000 You have a way of moving, a very specific way of moving inside the octagon, or inside the ring, rather.

00:11:04.000 If I watched you, like, just silhouette, if someone showed me a silhouette of you moving, I'd go, oh, that's John Wayne Parr.

00:11:10.000 Like, I could totally tell.

00:11:12.000 It's so interesting.

00:11:13.000 You have your own very specific style of moving.

00:11:17.000 And I would imagine that that style is like, I mean, you do a lot of things that other Muay Thai guys do, like you're very light on the front foot, but there's a way you have of throwing punches and combinations and so heavy off that front left leg is very specific to you, you know?

00:11:33.000 And I think that...

00:11:34.000 For a lot of guys, that's got to present them.

00:11:38.000 It's very effective, but it's unique.

00:11:41.000 In your style of movement, I can't think of another guy.

00:11:45.000 If I watch certain guys, I go, oh, well, that guy fights like this guy.

00:11:49.000 He kind of moves a little bit like him.

00:11:51.000 Or Tiago Alves is sort of like that guy.

00:11:53.000 You can kind of do that with a lot of fighters.

00:11:56.000 But not with you.

00:11:56.000 You've got this weird, sort of unusual timing.

00:12:01.000 Especially that left leg, man.

00:12:02.000 You're like one of the best guys I've ever seen at that front left leg counter to the body when a guy's throwing a punch.

00:12:09.000 Yeah, no, thank you.

00:12:11.000 Yeah, all that time spending in Thailand, that was one of their main things.

00:12:13.000 It was telling me it's so hard to block off the back leg.

00:12:16.000 Because that lead leg's so light.

00:12:17.000 And the majority of the time, 90% of the people are throwing leg kicks.

00:12:20.000 So you've got that lead leg ready.

00:12:22.000 But when it's time to throw the left...

00:12:24.000 It's really hard to block, so I've perfected that left.

00:12:27.000 On the pads, I'm throwing that 70% of the time, and my right leg's my power leg.

00:12:31.000 Really?

00:12:31.000 My left leg's my counter, so I'm throwing that more than anything.

00:12:36.000 I started off with a really strong right leg, and my left leg was okay, and I just worked at it, worked at it, worked at it, to make it my main weapon.

00:12:45.000 It's like a jab for a boxer becomes their main weapon.

00:12:47.000 Yeah, and then as soon as someone comes in to strike, I throw that left leg, and it's not only am I trying to score, but I'm using it as a break to try and stop you from throwing your combinations also.

00:12:56.000 If I don't land on your ribs, I'm hitting your arm, so I'm pushing you off balance, so you can't throw the right hand.

00:13:01.000 Or I want to try and break that right hand down, so that's taking the power away from your right punch. 1.00

00:13:05.000 And you're putting weight into it, too, and landing with the shin, which also keeps the knee and the thigh bone from you to them.

00:13:13.000 It creates a space.

00:13:14.000 Yes.

00:13:14.000 And there's a lot of power to it.

00:13:15.000 Yes.

00:13:16.000 You use that so effectively, man.

00:13:18.000 And I should have used it more, too, because in the after-fight speech, Cosmo was saying, oh, he was hurting me with that left leg.

00:13:23.000 And then...

00:13:23.000 Oh, he said to the body, right?

00:13:25.000 He said that, yeah.

00:13:26.000 On the after fight.

00:13:26.000 That's right.

00:13:27.000 And that's like, ah, damn it. 0.98

00:13:28.000 I should have used it more. 0.98

00:13:31.000 There was a couple of unique moments in that fight.

00:13:33.000 One of them was in the third round when you just opened up with this crazy flurry.

00:13:38.000 Yes.

00:13:38.000 Like, what was going on there?

00:13:39.000 Did you just have this feeling? 1.00

00:13:41.000 Did you just say, I'm just going to put a barrage on this motherfucker and see what happens? 1.00

00:13:46.000 Oops. 1.00

00:13:46.000 Yeah, my theory is if I can get someone covering up, I'm not going to stop. 1.00

00:13:51.000 So if the opportunity comes, it might take me 30 punches, it might take me 50 punches.

00:13:55.000 But eventually, if I can find that gap and I hit you hard enough, I know I can drop you.

00:14:00.000 So I was just trying my hardest to try and land that big one to try and put him down.

00:14:03.000 And I knew that I've done enough work in the gym to throw all night.

00:14:08.000 My gas tank was full.

00:14:09.000 There was no way I was going to gas.

00:14:10.000 Yeah.

00:14:11.000 I just kept throwing, throwing, throwing, thinking, come on, just learn that good one to just give myself an eight count to get myself back into the game.

00:14:18.000 But yeah, I think he wore a 30-ish and then he got out of the corner and then shrugged it off. 0.99

00:14:24.000 I was like, damn it. 0.99

00:14:24.000 Now I'm screwed. 0.99

00:14:26.000 Well, you know, it's funny because you see a guy blocking punches and covering up, but guys get knocked out through gloves all the time. 0.86

00:14:34.000 Yes, yes.

00:14:35.000 Especially with kicks, right?

00:14:37.000 And then it's, I'm also trying to get in your head as well to make you, trying to break you down, thinking this guy's a machine, how can I stop him?

00:14:47.000 Yeah, but unfortunately, it didn't work.

00:14:49.000 Cosmo was good.

00:14:51.000 He was very good.

00:14:51.000 Yeah.

00:14:52.000 There's another unique moment in the fourth round.

00:14:54.000 You rocked him with a right hand, and then he started cleaning the bottom of his feet.

00:14:59.000 Yes, yes.

00:14:59.000 He was hurt.

00:15:00.000 Yes.

00:15:01.000 He was hurt.

00:15:01.000 He's like, oh, something on my foot.

00:15:02.000 Like, bitch, you just got rocked. 1.00

00:15:05.000 First, I thought he lost his mouthpiece. 1.00

00:15:07.000 No.

00:15:08.000 And then...

00:15:10.000 As I seen him, I've gone to jump in, and then I thought he lost his contact.

00:15:15.000 I don't know what was going on.

00:15:16.000 But it was a full, like, no, no, no.

00:15:18.000 You're wrong.

00:15:18.000 I'm right.

00:15:19.000 Just a second.

00:15:20.000 And then it's like, oh, no. 1.00

00:15:22.000 He was fucked. 1.00

00:15:23.000 I should have jumped on him. 1.00

00:15:25.000 He played a little mind game there.

00:15:27.000 It was effective.

00:15:28.000 That's a veteran move.

00:15:29.000 It's like, stop, stop, stop, stop.

00:15:30.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:15:31.000 Yeah.

00:15:32.000 Okay, I'm good.

00:15:32.000 It's like, ah.

00:15:34.000 And you tried to move in and the referee got in between you.

00:15:37.000 Yeah, the referee did it as well. 1.00

00:15:38.000 The referee fucked up. 0.99

00:15:39.000 He didn't know what was going on either. 1.00

00:15:41.000 He got hustled as well.

00:15:43.000 So to his credit, he pulled that move.

00:15:45.000 Yeah, that could have been my shot.

00:15:47.000 Well, you could tell too, because after that he wasn't the same.

00:15:50.000 And then in the fourth round, or the fifth round rather, you came on strong in the fifth round.

00:15:54.000 The fifth round was all I knew.

00:15:56.000 I think you hurt him bad in that fourth round.

00:15:59.000 I think you stung him.

00:16:00.000 That's the only reason why a guy would ever do a con move like that.

00:16:05.000 Like, hold on, man.

00:16:05.000 I gotta clean the bottom of my feet.

00:16:06.000 Like, the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:16:08.000 You don't get to clean the bottom of your feet and the guy stops. 1.00

00:16:11.000 There's no timeouts in kickboxing.

00:16:13.000 It was very strange.

00:16:14.000 And then we were chatting afterwards and you came into the change room and we had our chat And then he goes, oh man, you wouldn't believe it.

00:16:23.000 The very last punch you threw, you broke my nose.

00:16:26.000 Now I can't breathe.

00:16:28.000 So as I've gone into the hospital to the emergency, he was in one of the other rooms getting his nose put back together.

00:16:33.000 But you could see his nose leaking when he was talking to Pat Milicic.

00:16:37.000 His nose was leaking.

00:16:38.000 But he's a tough guy and he seems like a really, really nice guy too.

00:16:41.000 We've fought each other three times now and then we've also fought on the same cards here in Jamaica and Australia and a few other places and nicest bloke.

00:16:49.000 He's just the most genuine.

00:16:51.000 And then even when we got put together for this fight, we were messaging each other privately on Facebook and Just talking about different things.

00:17:00.000 So there's no animosity.

00:17:01.000 It's just business.

00:17:03.000 He's got to get paid.

00:17:03.000 I've got to get paid.

00:17:04.000 And competition.

00:17:05.000 It's competition.

00:17:06.000 We beat each other up.

00:17:07.000 And then at the end of it, again, we go into each other's change room.

00:17:10.000 We high-five.

00:17:11.000 Good fight.

00:17:11.000 Thank you very much.

00:17:13.000 You know, that's interesting because that's a big part of fighting is the camaraderie between fighters.

00:17:20.000 But also a big part of fighting is the mental game when there is no camaraderie. 0.91

00:17:25.000 When guys are fucking with each other and it becomes emotional. 0.76

00:17:27.000 And there's a lot of fighters that have been tripped up by emotions. 0.95

00:17:30.000 Like Donald Cerrone was on the podcast and we were talking about his fight with Nate Diaz. 0.99

00:17:36.000 And Nate Diaz talked all kinds of crazy shit to him, knocked his cowboy hat off, you know, called him every fucking name in the book. 1.00

00:17:43.000 And then when they fought, Donald was all fucked up emotionally. 1.00

00:17:46.000 He was so emotionally invested in beating this guy's ass and not losing to this guy that he just couldn't perform at his best. 1.00

00:17:53.000 He just was so tied up. 0.99

00:17:55.000 And Conor McGregor, he does that to everybody. 0.99

00:17:58.000 He fucks with you so hard. 0.98

00:17:59.000 By the time you get in there, you don't even know who you are. 0.99

00:18:02.000 He's got you convinced you're a totally different person. 1.00

00:18:05.000 You just want to kill him, and then you can't even hit him. 1.00

00:18:08.000 It's such a mindfuck when you wind up hating someone. 0.99

00:18:12.000 So, in that sense, it's got to be a pleasure when you meet a gentleman like Cosmo Alexander, who's a great fighter as well, and you don't have to think about all that jazz. 0.68

00:18:21.000 You can just be yourself.

00:18:23.000 Yeah, no.

00:18:23.000 I'm very lucky with the sport.

00:18:25.000 I haven't had any Conor McGregors or Nick Diaz that I've Ever in all your fights?

00:18:31.000 There was one time I was on a television show called The Contender.

00:18:34.000 There was a French gentleman that was sort of getting under everyone's skin and he was talking a lot of smack. 1.00

00:18:40.000 But at the same time...

00:18:40.000 Yeah, what was that guy's name?

00:18:42.000 Rafik.

00:18:43.000 Rafik.

00:18:44.000 And then everyone was coming up to me saying, you've got to knock this bloke out, you've got to knock this bloke out.

00:18:47.000 And then even the film crew were coming behind the scenes saying, you've got to knock this bloke out, you've got to get this guy off this show.

00:18:52.000 On our show, as soon as you lost, you went home.

00:18:55.000 So...

00:18:57.000 Yeah.

00:19:01.000 Yeah.

00:19:04.000 Yeah.

00:19:17.000 It's that way with everything, man.

00:19:19.000 It's that way with everything.

00:19:20.000 As soon as you get emotionally invested in something like that and just you're dealing with that other thing which is even bigger and more central to your thoughts than your actual task at hand.

00:19:31.000 You're dealing with this like this talk jazz blah blah blah, which is you're gonna fight. 0.98

00:19:36.000 I mean you're gonna you're gonna engage in the most intense form of competition ever and you're concentrating on this bullshit like talking bullshit like what difference does it make what we say if we're gonna fight? 0.99

00:19:46.000 Well, the difference is, if you can fuck with a guy's emotions, he can't fight good. 1.00

00:19:50.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:19:53.000 At the weigh-in with Cosmo, at the airport, I bought myself a little boomerang souvenir.

00:20:01.000 And then I presented that to Cosmo at the weigh-in.

00:20:03.000 And then we hugged and shook hands and took a photo with the boomerang.

00:20:07.000 And it was just a gentleman gesture.

00:20:09.000 It's like, oh, well, at least you're going to remember me.

00:20:11.000 And then...

00:20:12.000 But then you look at the UFC and then you've got Dana White standing in the middle and they're holding guys back.

00:20:17.000 It's like, well, 24 hours time, you're going to punch each other in the face anyway.

00:20:21.000 So why all this acting?

00:20:25.000 And then same with Conor McGregor and Aldo.

00:20:28.000 Every time they get together, it's like, well, technically you can't really do it now.

00:20:31.000 You're both going to get in a lot of trouble or you're going to get fined by either the commission or Dana or UFC. So...

00:20:39.000 I know it sells tickets too.

00:20:40.000 It does sell tickets.

00:20:42.000 It's riveting.

00:20:43.000 You can't not watch it.

00:20:44.000 You can't not tune into the websites and the replays.

00:20:49.000 Being a gentleman sometimes can be boring when you look at it like that.

00:20:53.000 It's kind of a catch-22, right? 1.00

00:20:55.000 Because you can make a lot of money by being an asshole. 1.00

00:20:58.000 Yes. 1.00

00:20:59.000 Right?

00:20:59.000 I mean, God, people pay attention to you.

00:21:01.000 It becomes this huge media selling point.

00:21:05.000 It's a story.

00:21:06.000 Look, the Jon Jones-Daniel Cormier fight.

00:21:09.000 I do believe that Jon Jones is the best light heavyweight on the planet.

00:21:13.000 And I think he beat Daniel Cormier because he's incredibly skillful and because he's just so good. 0.94

00:21:18.000 But I also believe that Daniel Cormier was fucked up going into that fight emotionally. 0.99

00:21:23.000 Because John had talked so much shit to him. 0.99

00:21:25.000 They got in a fight at the weigh-ins where they, like, literally were throwing punches at each other. 0.99

00:21:30.000 And they had to be separated.

00:21:31.000 It was a giant brawl.

00:21:32.000 It wasn't a weigh-ins, rather.

00:21:33.000 It was a press conference.

00:21:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:35.000 Giant brawl at the press conference.

00:21:37.000 Knocking people over.

00:21:38.000 Throwing shoes at each other.

00:21:40.000 I mean, it was madness.

00:21:41.000 But...

00:21:42.000 John can handle that stuff better than Daniel can.

00:21:44.000 John can still perform at the same level under those circumstances.

00:21:49.000 I don't think Daniel did.

00:21:51.000 Yeah, no, that was insane.

00:21:54.000 That was crazy.

00:21:55.000 Well, that's Connor, too. 1.00

00:21:58.000 Part of what Conor's doing is fucking with people. 0.99

00:22:00.000 That's what Muhammad Ali did to Sonny Liston. 0.97

00:22:03.000 When Muhammad Ali first fought Sonny Liston, he was screaming and yelling at him so bad at the weigh-ins that they weren't going to let him fight.

00:22:11.000 That they thought there was something wrong with him.

00:22:13.000 Because his heart rate was so crazy and his blood pressure was so high.

00:22:18.000 They were worried that this guy's not fit to fight.

00:22:21.000 And then he calmed down.

00:22:23.000 He's like, just relax.

00:22:23.000 Go ahead.

00:22:24.000 I know what I'm doing. 0.99

00:22:26.000 I'm just fucking with this dude. 0.99

00:22:27.000 And it turned out that he knew that Sonny Liston, although he's terrifying and he's this massive hard puncher and knocked everybody dead, he was scared of crazy people. 0.99

00:22:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:41.000 And that's what Muhammad Ali did. 1.00

00:22:42.000 He just acted like a fucking crazy person. 1.00

00:22:44.000 He used to drive to Sonny Liston's house. 1.00

00:22:46.000 He would park his car on Sonny Liston's lawn and yell out at him in the middle of the night.

00:22:51.000 Just yell at him.

00:22:52.000 Really?

00:22:52.000 Get up, Sonny!

00:22:52.000 I'm gonna kick your fucking ass, Sonny!

00:22:54.000 He would say all kinds of crazy shit. 1.00

00:22:56.000 Sonny Liston, you ain't shit! 1.00

00:22:57.000 Sonny Liston, I'm the man! 1.00

00:22:59.000 I'm the champ!

00:23:00.000 The champ is here! 1.00

00:23:01.000 He would say all kinds of crazy shit on the lawn. 1.00

00:23:03.000 Like, on his fucking lawn while the guy was trying to sleep. 1.00

00:23:06.000 He's doing Shannon Briggs. 1.00

00:23:09.000 Well, what Shannon Briggs does now, yeah.

00:23:11.000 Shannon Briggs is hilarious, isn't he?

00:23:14.000 Let's go, champ! 1.00

00:23:16.000 Did you pay attention to his Instagram?

00:23:18.000 It's amazing.

00:23:19.000 I was for a while, but then it's on loop.

00:23:22.000 It's pretty much every single video you watch is exactly the same, whereas I only had a bit of class about it.

00:23:26.000 Oh, same as Connor.

00:23:27.000 Connor's a genius as well.

00:23:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:29.000 The breakout, the rampant, he's like, that's gold.

00:23:32.000 That was pretty cool.

00:23:33.000 Yeah, break out the red panties, yeah. 0.72

00:23:35.000 If you're fighting me, break out the red panties, honey. 0.99

00:23:38.000 We made it.

00:23:39.000 Yeah, no, he's a genius. 1.00

00:23:41.000 Connor is the best shit talker ever. 1.00

00:23:44.000 How do you even think of that? 1.00

00:23:45.000 You're lying in bed, lying on your pillow, thinking, you know, what color panties do my missus wear when we...

00:23:52.000 The red ones.

00:23:52.000 The red ones are probably the best ones.

00:23:54.000 I don't even think he's thinking it.

00:23:55.000 I think that's just him.

00:23:56.000 I think he's just free and just thinks that way, you know? 1.00

00:24:01.000 He's just an amazing shit talker. 1.00

00:24:03.000 He's so good at it. 1.00

00:24:04.000 Yeah.

00:24:04.000 I talked to Hans a fair bit between the last couple of days, and he reckons he's such a good guy.

00:24:09.000 Hans Molenkamp?

00:24:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:11.000 Hans said, when you talk to him one-on-one, he said he's just the nicest, politest gentleman you'll ever meet.

00:24:17.000 I think?

00:24:33.000 And he wasn't like that earlier in his career.

00:24:35.000 He became like that, really, when he got to the UFC. I mean, he had a hair of that before.

00:24:40.000 He had a little bit of that before, where he was confident and he would talk well.

00:24:44.000 I've been following Conor for years.

00:24:47.000 I tweeted him a long time ago, like several years ago, back when he was fighting in England, I believe it was.

00:24:54.000 I think it was England.

00:24:55.000 I'm not sure.

00:24:56.000 Fighting in some overseas organization.

00:24:58.000 I watched it on YouTube. 1.00

00:25:01.000 And I was like, this guy's fucking talented. 0.99

00:25:03.000 He's talented. 0.99

00:25:04.000 He's got a clean left hand, too.

00:25:06.000 His left hand power punch. 1.00

00:25:09.000 That's a fucking good night Irene punch, man. 1.00

00:25:11.000 From this apple. 0.99

00:25:12.000 Yeah, he's so good at measuring guys, too.

00:25:15.000 Very good at measuring.

00:25:16.000 And he has very off-speed movement.

00:25:18.000 His movement is unusual.

00:25:20.000 Very difficult to turn.

00:25:22.000 That's one of the things I was thinking about when I was watching you fight.

00:25:25.000 Unusual movement, you know, it's a very difficult thing for guys to deal with.

00:25:31.000 Like a lot of fighters will tell you that sparring with a person who has a very traditional style is almost like comforting sometimes.

00:25:38.000 But when you spar with a guy who might not even be as skillful, but is doing things all wrong, but has a lot of power, like does things like real weird.

00:25:47.000 The guy who just fought Sugar Shane Mosley, that crazy guy who smokes cigarettes from Nicaragua. 0.97

00:25:53.000 Yeah, Ricardo Mayorga.

00:25:54.000 Ricardo Mayorga is a perfect example.

00:25:56.000 When he used to fight the late, great Vernon Forrest, he beat that dude because Forrest couldn't deal with his weird, crazy punches coming from everywhere.

00:26:05.000 It was madness.

00:26:06.000 Those punches were coming from behind his calf and over the top and hit you on the nose. 1.00

00:26:11.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:26:13.000 Everything was winking and wild and with murderous intentions. 1.00

00:26:16.000 It was so street.

00:26:18.000 It was not skillful.

00:26:21.000 It was not like fighting a Roberto Duran who was incredibly skillful but also raw too.

00:26:28.000 With Riccardo Majorga, everything was awkward. 0.99

00:26:30.000 It's like you didn't know what the fuck. 0.99

00:26:31.000 You couldn't get into this rhythm. 0.98

00:26:33.000 Like when you see like two very skillful boxers fight, you know, you see they're looking for openings, they're probing, but you see like a common rhythm or a rhythm that you've seen before, you know?

00:26:46.000 It's a conventional way of moving.

00:26:49.000 Yeah, same in Bangkok.

00:26:50.000 You watch two professional ties and they're training identical So when you put them against each other, now you're watching a chess game.

00:26:57.000 Well, back in the 90s anyway, then you chuck in your Raymond Deckers, or luckily for myself, you throw in the hands because they weren't really boxing back then.

00:27:06.000 And all of a sudden, you've thrown out the rhythm because all of a sudden they're like, what the hell's going on here?

00:27:12.000 Yeah, Ramon Deckers used to do everything hard.

00:27:15.000 Everything hard. 1.00

00:27:16.000 Every fucking punch was murder. 1.00

00:27:18.000 Every kick was murder. 1.00

00:27:19.000 Yes.

00:27:19.000 But see, the difference between you and him was that you fought smart enough to get to 39 years old and still can fight in world title fights.

00:27:29.000 Yes.

00:27:29.000 Whereas by the time he was in his late 30s, his body had just been destroyed.

00:27:33.000 Yes.

00:27:33.000 He destroyed his ankles.

00:27:35.000 They say that by the time he had his last few fights, his ankles were so bad that his doctors told him, if you break your ankle again, we might have to amputate your foot.

00:27:44.000 Yes.

00:27:44.000 And so he switched his stance.

00:27:46.000 He started kicking with his other leg. 1.00

00:27:48.000 But then the fight would get heated up and he'd go, fuck it! 0.99

00:27:50.000 And he would go right back and throw that same kick over and over again. 1.00

00:27:55.000 Just slam into the guy's arms. 0.93

00:27:57.000 Slam into their knees. 1.00

00:27:58.000 Slam into their shin. 0.99

00:27:59.000 Yeah, he's a man. 0.98

00:28:00.000 He's a king.

00:28:00.000 I said that last time too.

00:28:01.000 He's still a king.

00:28:02.000 I still think he's...

00:28:03.000 Oh, he was amazing, man.

00:28:04.000 Hand for pound, the greatest ever.

00:28:06.000 He was the man.

00:28:06.000 He's someone I'm trying to implement still.

00:28:08.000 And I said that last time too.

00:28:10.000 Yeah.

00:28:11.000 Yeah, my whole...

00:28:13.000 Every single time I have a fight, I'm trying to emulate, trying to walk in his footsteps to become the next him.

00:28:20.000 How have you gotten to 39 years of age though?

00:28:24.000 With all your cuts and all that stuff, but you don't have any injuries that have stopped you from competing at the world-class level.

00:28:32.000 Just luck.

00:28:33.000 I've been so fortunate to have good genetics.

00:28:36.000 And I still have the passion.

00:28:38.000 I still wake up every morning at 5.30.

00:28:40.000 I'm on the road at 6.30.

00:28:42.000 I'm still running 12Ks.

00:28:44.000 I'm still hitting the pads just as hard.

00:28:46.000 I'm still doing massive rounds.

00:28:48.000 For this last prep board, I was running 100 kilometers a week.

00:28:52.000 I ran for 10 weeks.

00:28:53.000 So I worked out I ran 1,000 kilometers for this camp.

00:28:56.000 So that's morning and night all together.

00:28:58.000 What is that in American?

00:29:00.000 600 miles.

00:29:01.000 So 600 miles for over 10 weeks. 0.99

00:29:04.000 That's a lot of fucking miles, dude. 0.99

00:29:06.000 Nine rounds on the pads. 0.99

00:29:07.000 Sounds better when you say 1,000, though.

00:29:08.000 Yeah, yeah, sounds cool.

00:29:11.000 I should go to meters.

00:29:16.000 Nine rounds on the pads.

00:29:17.000 I was two boxing, five tie, two or three leg shields.

00:29:20.000 Wow.

00:29:21.000 And then I'm still running with the young kids.

00:29:23.000 I'm still sparring the young guys in Australia.

00:29:25.000 I've got a couple of young gentlemen, Jake Lennon and Elliot Compton.

00:29:27.000 I come to the gym on Saturdays.

00:29:29.000 They're in their early 20s.

00:29:31.000 I'm still holding my own with them and they're like the best prospects Australia has and I'm not losing.

00:29:37.000 Do you think that that's because of your passion?

00:29:39.000 Do you think that's because of your enthusiasm?

00:29:41.000 That you truly love Muay Thai and I know you do.

00:29:44.000 I mean to you it's just like it's so exciting and invigorating and fulfilling and do you think that that's what happens to fighters?

00:29:53.000 First, the waning enthusiasm even before the body starts to fail?

00:29:59.000 I'm not sure.

00:30:00.000 No, because I've had other students that I've...

00:30:03.000 Because I run the gym, I've had guys that have had 30, 40 fights that are world beaters.

00:30:07.000 But their shoulder pops or their knee goes or their ankles goes. 0.97

00:30:10.000 And then they have to retire.

00:30:11.000 It's not a case that they want to.

00:30:13.000 They have to.

00:30:14.000 Where I've been so fortunate that my knees are intact.

00:30:16.000 My shoulders are good.

00:30:18.000 I've had a few problems with my hands, but nothing really to stop me.

00:30:23.000 Surgeries with your hands at all?

00:30:24.000 No, no, nothing.

00:30:26.000 I've just had stitches.

00:30:27.000 No surgeries at all?

00:30:28.000 Lots and lots of stitches.

00:30:30.000 But besides that, I'm just so blessed that...

00:30:34.000 Besides...

00:30:37.000 Good genetics and the passion.

00:30:41.000 My life, from the time I was four years old, all I wanted to be was a martial artist and now I'm getting older and I know that my time is coming.

00:30:49.000 I don't want to stop.

00:30:50.000 I want to ride the wave all the way until I pass, but I know I can't, but I want to.

00:30:55.000 If I had my way, I'd fight to the very day that I go to my grave.

00:30:59.000 Are you more careful now that you're 39 years old?

00:31:02.000 Are you more careful now about your diet, about rehabilitation, about those kind of things?

00:31:07.000 I'm more aware about losing weight before a flight.

00:31:12.000 Before I was trying to do a Thai way, I was trying to lose 10 kilos in 3-4 days.

00:31:15.000 Now I'm doing over a 10-week period, so I'm only losing those last few kilos.

00:31:21.000 Do you think that though when you're fighting a really big guy like Cosmo Alexander who most likely lost a shitload of water weight the day before the fight and then IV rehydrated which is legal in Muay Thai still not legal in MMA anymore at least in the UFC Do you think that that is a detriment to you,

00:31:43.000 though?

00:31:44.000 This one, I went up a weight division also.

00:31:46.000 I usually fight middle... 0.96

00:31:47.000 160 middleweight.

00:31:50.000 The boxing weight division.

00:31:51.000 And this was 168?

00:31:53.000 167. Because I was flying to America, I didn't want to starve myself on the plane.

00:31:57.000 I didn't want to get here, and I didn't want to have to put the sweatsuit on.

00:32:00.000 I didn't want a sauna.

00:32:01.000 So I only had to lose 2 kilos, 6 pounds.

00:32:06.000 So there's nothing.

00:32:08.000 And then...

00:32:09.000 And then come weigh-in time, I felt comfortable.

00:32:12.000 But then come fight time, the size difference was like, oh my god.

00:32:15.000 It was different, but it's interesting that you were the one who was coming on in the fourth and fifth round.

00:32:20.000 My fitness.

00:32:21.000 I wanted it so bad.

00:32:24.000 I can't remember how long it's been since I've wanted a world title so bad.

00:32:29.000 I've been very fortunate enough to win 10, but I wanted this one.

00:32:32.000 Because like I was saying last time I was here...

00:32:35.000 I want to try and reach...

00:32:37.000 I've been lucky enough to be famous in Australia and be famous in Thailand and make my name in Japan.

00:32:42.000 But America is like the last frontier where I haven't really sort of excelled.

00:32:48.000 I wanted that title to say, America, this is me.

00:32:53.000 And then I lost.

00:32:54.000 But I hope I put an entertaining fight in.

00:32:57.000 Oh, you definitely did.

00:32:58.000 You definitely did.

00:32:59.000 How many titles does Lion Fight have?

00:33:01.000 How many divisions?

00:33:02.000 Do they have a 160?

00:33:04.000 160, yes.

00:33:05.000 I believe...

00:33:06.000 Oh, no, it was that other young Thai kid that... 1.00

00:33:09.000 I forgot his name.

00:33:10.000 Joe Nanawatt?

00:33:11.000 Possibly.

00:33:12.000 I think that's...

00:33:13.000 Yes.

00:33:13.000 Well, he's one of the stars in Lion Fight.

00:33:16.000 I personally think that Lion Fight has some of the best skilled kickboxers in the world today.

00:33:22.000 I really enjoy watching those shows.

00:33:24.000 I mean, especially they'll...

00:33:25.000 They'll bring in some ties that are just murderous.

00:33:28.000 The level of Muay Thai that they show, you get to see this beautiful execution of the style.

00:33:36.000 Jarena that just fought on the semi-main from Holland.

00:33:39.000 She's amazing.

00:33:40.000 She was.

00:33:41.000 And then...

00:33:41.000 Her fight was against Cyborg.

00:33:43.000 I didn't hear about her until she fought Cyborg. 0.77

00:33:45.000 And then I was really intrigued to see how Cyborg would fight against pure Muay Thai rules.

00:33:49.000 And then the Dutch girl came and said, who is this?

00:33:52.000 And then it's like, whoa. 0.99

00:33:54.000 She's a beast. 1.00

00:33:55.000 There's the difference of pure Muay Thai against pure MMA. It was beautiful to watch.

00:34:00.000 Jorina Barsch is her name and she's tall and long. 0.96

00:34:04.000 You know Dutch people are among some of the tallest Europeans.

00:34:07.000 The average height is six feet tall.

00:34:09.000 They're very big people, you know, and Jorina is like probably one of the most technical women in the world when it comes to Muay Thai and that you got to see that in that fight with Cyborg. 1.00

00:34:19.000 I mean when she pushed kicked her in the face and knocked her down. 1.00

00:34:22.000 I mean she's she's a beast, man. 1.00

00:34:24.000 She's a beast. 1.00

00:34:25.000 Do you believe it has anything to do with the nutrients that are in pancakes?

00:34:32.000 Pancakes?

00:34:33.000 Dutch pancakes?

00:34:37.000 Don't the Dutch people like pancakes and you smoke some pigs? 0.54

00:34:40.000 I don't know.

00:34:42.000 I don't know.

00:34:43.000 I don't think so.

00:34:44.000 I think it probably has to do with marijuana.

00:34:46.000 Marijuana is making them grow.

00:34:48.000 No, I think it's just, you know, probably hardy people, you know, hardy. 0.99

00:34:51.000 It gets cold as fuck there. 0.96

00:34:53.000 You know, the strong survived. 0.99

00:34:55.000 It's like Vikings. 0.98

00:34:56.000 Why are they so fucking big? 0.97

00:34:57.000 Like those people in Iceland that always win those strongest man competitions. 0.97

00:35:00.000 Why is that?

00:35:01.000 Why is all these Iceland guys that keep winning?

00:35:03.000 When you see them, you go, oh yeah, I get it. 0.99

00:35:06.000 It's a fucking Viking. 0.99

00:35:07.000 That's a Viking that made it to 2015 with some Viking genes. 1.00

00:35:12.000 You've got nothing else to do besides pick up big boulders and put them 100 meters down the road. 0.98

00:35:16.000 But it's interesting what you said, though, about Jorina when she fought Cyborg, because I'll tell you what, I was super impressed with her technique and super impressed with her skill level, but I was impressed with Cyborg's grit and determination because she was getting her fucking ass kicked, and she hung in there, and she kept trying to win that fight. 0.98

00:35:33.000 She kept chasing that girl down, and she was getting beat. 0.76

00:35:36.000 She was getting beat, and she was losing, and she was technically outmatched, I think there's a difference in someone who's really good at hitting things hard and someone who's really good at Muay Thai.

00:35:48.000 Someone who's really good at setting things up.

00:35:50.000 I think that what she can do better than Cyborg is set things up technically.

00:35:56.000 It's not that Cyborg can't learn that.

00:35:59.000 She certainly can.

00:36:00.000 But when you see someone who's used to, like, takedowns and submissions and dealing with little gloves and dealing with fighting people that are nowhere near her technical level, that was without a doubt the best striker Cyborg's ever faced.

00:36:13.000 Because she's been fighting girls that, literally, there have been assaults. 1.00

00:36:16.000 You know, you've seen a lot.

00:36:18.000 Like, the toughest girl she ever fought was Gina Carano. 1.00

00:36:20.000 And, you know, that was a good fight.

00:36:22.000 It was a good fight up until Cyborg started beating her down.

00:36:25.000 But the level of Muay Thai...

00:36:28.000 In something like Lion Fight.

00:36:29.000 Who's the girl who fought Jorina this past weekend?

00:36:32.000 She's very good.

00:36:34.000 From Czech? 0.77

00:36:35.000 Yes.

00:36:35.000 Yeah, from the Czech Republic?

00:36:38.000 All apologies.

00:36:39.000 I forget her name, but she was very good as well.

00:36:41.000 Very tough.

00:36:42.000 But that was a pleasure to watch that fight because those girls were very technical, you know? 1.00

00:36:47.000 What Doreena brought to the table with the cyborg fight was a lot of front kicks to the face, which I don't think MMA people use as effectively because they can't use it because of the catches and the takedowns. 1.00

00:36:58.000 And also the straight-up knees because Doreena is so tall. 1.00

00:37:02.000 What a normal person would throw to the body, she can throw to the face, no problem whatsoever. 1.00

00:37:06.000 So, all of a sudden, you have those two different elements coming at you, and that's what kept landing over and over.

00:37:12.000 That kept dropping her, especially when she was holding the ropes and teeping in the corner, and Cyborg was rushing in to try and knock her out and running straight in on those front kicks.

00:37:20.000 Yeah.

00:37:21.000 She throws it to the body well, too.

00:37:22.000 She did that in this fight, too. 0.98

00:37:24.000 Yeah.

00:37:24.000 She throws that front kick to the body real well, and she follows it up with nice straight punches, and she's so long.

00:37:30.000 So long, yep.

00:37:30.000 She keeps you at the end of her punches.

00:37:32.000 Yeah, I... Man, I get frustrated when I see that Muay Thai is not more popular in the United States.

00:37:38.000 I really do.

00:37:38.000 You know, and I know I'm not the only one because the big thing that everybody always says about MMA, which of course I disagree with because I have a background in Jiu Jitsu, but that when it goes to the ground that it's boring.

00:37:49.000 I don't think it's boring because I understand what's happening and to me it's fascinating.

00:37:52.000 I want to see like a guy like Damien Maia, when he takes guys down and strangles them, to me that's beautiful.

00:37:57.000 That's art.

00:37:58.000 I want to see how he's setting things up.

00:38:01.000 When he fought Neil Magny in his last fight, I couldn't wait to interview him because he made some adjustments on the ground and took the guys back.

00:38:08.000 And the guy was defending in the first round.

00:38:11.000 I was like, what adjustment did you make?

00:38:13.000 And he was explaining it to me.

00:38:15.000 And I could see the technique and the art in his words.

00:38:18.000 To him, it was a problem to be solved.

00:38:21.000 And that's...

00:38:23.000 I see that in Muay Thai, too.

00:38:24.000 And I think for, you know, everybody that, like, the meatheads that watch MMA, oh, I hate when it goes to the ground.

00:38:31.000 Well, why don't you like Muay Thai, then?

00:38:33.000 Why isn't Muay Thai, like, the biggest, most popular combat sport in the world?

00:38:38.000 Because it's all stand-up.

00:38:39.000 And if you watch Lion Fight, man, you might see five, six knockouts a night. 0.98

00:38:43.000 Like, Dream Killer Bolanos, that fucking kid with his spinning elbow KO in his last fight? 1.00

00:38:48.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:38:50.000 Wild stuff, man! 1.00

00:38:51.000 I think also AXS TV is one of those weird stations.

00:38:57.000 Mark Cuban owns it.

00:38:58.000 It's at the end of the dial on DirecTV. 0.99

00:39:00.000 You can't fucking find it. 0.97

00:39:02.000 I think that it's one of those things where somehow or another there has to be a consciousness shift where people have to be able to appreciate it. 0.99

00:39:10.000 You know, and I don't know what that shift is.

00:39:13.000 I don't know how to make that shift.

00:39:14.000 I don't know what it would be that would cause it to get on some big event on television.

00:39:19.000 You know, Yotsin Clyde, maybe you and Yotsin Clyde again!

00:39:22.000 Again!

00:39:23.000 You're trying to get me killed. 1.00

00:39:24.000 Come on, you beat him! 1.00

00:39:25.000 Well, I was lucky.

00:39:26.000 I was very lucky.

00:39:28.000 Australian judges, I was lucky.

00:39:29.000 You are your two.

00:39:31.000 Too kind.

00:39:32.000 Too humble.

00:39:33.000 I just need exposure.

00:39:35.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:39:36.000 What I've realized is, I think I said this last time as well, the UFC is so good at making superstars.

00:39:42.000 And then when you, for instance, Gloria Lion Fight, you can say Tyrone Spong is fighting, Kyrgyz Saki, for instance.

00:39:51.000 Amazing.

00:39:51.000 Nobody knows who they are besides the hardcore Muay Thai guys.

00:39:56.000 Amazing fight.

00:39:57.000 Because MMA is so big, everyone knows the Cowboy Cerrone's.

00:40:00.000 Everyone knows the George St. Pierre's.

00:40:02.000 So when they fight, you already know their history. 0.99

00:40:04.000 You already know this guy's a killer. 1.00

00:40:06.000 This guy's going to talk shit. 1.00

00:40:09.000 But you know what? 1.00

00:40:10.000 That's only been the case for 10 years.

00:40:12.000 Yeah, true. 0.98

00:40:13.000 In 2005, when Stephen Bonner and Forrest Griffin fought on Spike TV, nobody knew who the fuck those guys were. 0.98

00:40:20.000 Yep. 0.99

00:40:21.000 They were fighting so hard that at one point in time, I believe the statistic was 10 million people were watching that fight, which for a cable TV fight was fucking insane.

00:40:33.000 And the reason why so many people watched it is they started watching it.

00:40:37.000 It was like 3 million people or something like that because it was the finals of Spike TV. And during the fight, the numbers went up like...

00:40:45.000 Substantially. 1.00

00:40:46.000 And they believed that people were literally calling people up and going, you got these crazy white motherfuckers are beating the shit out of each other on Spike TV. Go turn this on right now. 1.00

00:40:55.000 And they literally believe that it was through word of mouth during the fight.

00:40:59.000 That changed MMA history.

00:41:01.000 Because during that fight, because it was so crazy and so wild, and those guys just put the pedal to the metal and went nuts for the entire fight.

00:41:11.000 And they were so evenly matched that after it was over, a sport was made.

00:41:15.000 I mean, a sport was made by one fight.

00:41:17.000 That's not an exaggeration because to this day, Although it was a great performance by Diego Sanchez, nobody talks about Diego Sanchez versus Kenny Florian.

00:41:26.000 Yep.

00:41:27.000 Diego Sanchez fought Kenny Florian for the 185 pound title on that same night, and Diego took Kenny down and beat the shit out of him, stopped him.

00:41:34.000 Yep.

00:41:34.000 But nobody talks about that fight.

00:41:35.000 It was the fight between those two guys, between Forrest Griffin and Stefan Bonner, that literally made MMA. Yes.

00:41:43.000 The numbers just started going crazy like everybody started tuning in and it just picked up and then the ultimate fighter took off and then it picked up more and more and more and more and then It became a huge sport, but it literally was born out of one event.

00:41:55.000 Yep That was we need something like that for Muay Thai We need something like that for kickboxing one big thing where people go holy shit And if that can happen, I think, and you also need a promoter like Dana White and, you know, owners like the Fertittas.

00:42:12.000 You need some powerful organization that's got balls and money and really gets behind it.

00:42:18.000 And then you need a lot of luck.

00:42:19.000 Yes.

00:42:19.000 Well, that's it.

00:42:20.000 I don't know how Katwin fucked up because they had everything. 0.94

00:42:24.000 They had the... 0.97

00:42:25.000 Yakuza!

00:42:27.000 Sorry.

00:42:28.000 Sorry.

00:42:29.000 I coughed.

00:42:31.000 They had the money.

00:42:32.000 They had the TV. They had the slow motions.

00:42:35.000 They had the highlights.

00:42:36.000 They had the missing fingers.

00:42:37.000 They had the dudes with the body suits. 0.83

00:42:39.000 The body tattoos.

00:42:41.000 I don't know, man.

00:42:42.000 They were gigantic in Japan.

00:42:45.000 Since they've disappeared, it's like, where do we go?

00:42:47.000 Where does the kickboxing go?

00:42:48.000 If I'm a young kid and I'm watching the TV, UFC is the only way to go.

00:42:54.000 It's like, hey, do you want to be a Muay Thai fighter?

00:42:56.000 Why?

00:42:57.000 I can be on a cereal box.

00:43:01.000 Now it's gone so far that you can be a legitimate household name.

00:43:07.000 Whereas in Muay Thai, you might get a few little medals or trophies to put on your pool room, but there's no...

00:43:15.000 No one driving Mercedes Benz as a Muay Thai player.

00:43:18.000 It's so unfortunate.

00:43:20.000 There's not even a $100,000 payday for a Muay Thai guy.

00:43:23.000 If you get 10 grand, you're like, yeah, 10 grand!

00:43:26.000 But I still gotta go to work Monday.

00:43:29.000 Yeah.

00:43:30.000 And for women, it's even crazier. 1.00

00:43:32.000 I mean, think about the small group of talent, the depth of talent in women's MMA. There's a perfect example. 1.00

00:43:40.000 The UFC 115-pound strawweight champion, Ioannion Jacek, is a Muay Thai champion.

00:43:45.000 Six-time world Muay Thai champion. 0.98

00:43:47.000 And she's just murdering chicks. 1.00

00:43:50.000 Just murdering them. 1.00

00:43:51.000 She's nasty. 1.00

00:43:53.000 She is so nasty. 1.00

00:43:55.000 But... 0.98

00:43:57.000 Other than her, you know, you have a bunch of people in her division that are really...

00:44:01.000 Honestly, there's a few with some experience that are getting better, but they're not world championship level.

00:44:08.000 You know, they're just...

00:44:09.000 And if you're a girl who wants to make it in fighting, and you look at the pool of talent that's in the UFC right now, in the women's division, especially 115-pound division, you're going to be compelled to try to make it there. 0.99

00:44:20.000 At 135, you get that murderer, Ronda Rousey, flipping bitches on their heads and shit. 1.00

00:44:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:26.000 Snapping arms.

00:44:27.000 That's a tough one because she's so advanced. 0.99

00:44:31.000 She's so advanced that she's just smashing everybody they put in front of her. 1.00

00:44:36.000 That's a tough one because you would have to learn how to grapple at a very high level to even be able to hang in there with her.

00:44:43.000 And now her striking is getting way better too, so it becomes problematic.

00:44:46.000 But what is the one thing that no one's ever done to Ronda Rousey? 1.00

00:44:50.000 Kick the shit out of her legs. 1.00

00:44:52.000 Strike. 1.00

00:44:53.000 Keep her away.

00:44:54.000 Stuff the takedown and kick the shit out of her legs. 1.00

00:44:56.000 We haven't seen that at all. 0.99

00:44:58.000 Like, at all.

00:44:59.000 We've seen no...

00:45:00.000 How much would you like to see a world championship level Muay Thai fighter like Ioannion Jacek who's fighting at a natural 135 who fights Ronda Rousey.

00:45:11.000 Someone who comes out there and you see this like super high level striking game with good takedown defense and sprawls.

00:45:17.000 Now you gotta fight. 0.99

00:45:19.000 Now you got some crazy shit happening. 0.99

00:45:20.000 That's what we were supposed to expect with Kate Zagano. 0.99

00:45:23.000 That was supposed to happen in February.

00:45:25.000 Yeah, but Kat Zagano's not world class in Muay Thai. 0.99

00:45:27.000 But then the bell went.

00:45:28.000 She's tough.

00:45:29.000 The bell went and she ran in. 0.59

00:45:30.000 She dove into her arms.

00:45:32.000 Yeah.

00:45:32.000 Okay, what did you...

00:45:33.000 She's fucked up. 0.99

00:45:34.000 She's going to be laying in bed for a very long time going, what did I do? 1.00

00:45:38.000 Well, Kat Singano also, you have to think, has never fought in that stage before. 0.98

00:45:43.000 That stage itself is just such a mindfuck. 0.51

00:45:47.000 You're standing in that octagon, the bright lights, the cameras are on you, and you're like, ah! 0.99

00:45:53.000 You know, I mean, that's probably half the reason why she made that mad, crazy bum rush across the octagon and just wanted to attack her. 0.96

00:46:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:01.000 I heard the same thing from Faraz when I was training with George.

00:46:05.000 He says, people don't understand that they fight in the prelims and then, because George has done it so many times, he's so used to the pressure.

00:46:12.000 But then you get the guys that are fighting George and then all of a sudden it's 5-5, you're on the posters, you're doing all the media, and then you have to walk out in front of that 25,000 people or whatever, the MGM or...

00:46:27.000 Or how about when he fought Toronto?

00:46:28.000 Or Toronto.

00:46:29.000 60!

00:46:30.000 60,000!

00:46:31.000 And you're the bad guy.

00:46:32.000 Yeah, in Canada!

00:46:35.000 And then, yeah, the pressure just breaks them before they even walk.

00:46:39.000 Well, breaks them probably weeks in advance.

00:46:41.000 And then the day comes, you think you can handle it, and the day comes, and then you implode on the inside.

00:46:47.000 Or not.

00:46:48.000 Or you're like Jon Jones. 0.99

00:46:49.000 You fight Shogun in your first world title fight, you're 24 years old, and you beat his ass. 1.00

00:46:54.000 You stop him, and everybody goes, holy shit, look at this guy. 0.99

00:46:58.000 I mean, I think John was 23, actually, now that I think about it. 0.98

00:47:01.000 He was the youngest ever UFC champion.

00:47:03.000 And I believe that Josh Barnett won the UFC heavyweight title when he was 24. So I think, I might be off by this, but I think John was 23. But that's a special guy.

00:47:14.000 John, just a special competitor.

00:47:16.000 And I think that for someone like Kat Zingano, that media pressure is just as much pressure. 0.84

00:47:21.000 Having all those people ask you, what's it like?

00:47:24.000 What's it going to be like when you get in there?

00:47:25.000 How are you going to win?

00:47:26.000 How are you going to beat Ronda?

00:47:28.000 What are you going to do about her arm bars?

00:47:30.000 I mean, think about that.

00:47:31.000 What are you going to do about her arm bar?

00:47:32.000 Oh, I'm not worried about that. 0.98

00:47:33.000 Fucking 15 seconds in, you're arm barred. 1.00

00:47:35.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:47:36.000 The only question, the only question. 1.00

00:47:38.000 Yeah, and then you get armbarred.

00:47:39.000 Times that by 10,000 times every period of three months prep. 0.99

00:47:44.000 Yeah, it's a mindfuck. 0.98

00:47:46.000 Yeah, driving insane.

00:47:47.000 But I think someone like Ioana, who is a world champion already, she's so used to competing at an incredibly high level, and then she had to get her bearings in the UFC. She had that one really tough fight with Claudia Gidea, where it was neck and neck.

00:48:02.000 Very, very close fight.

00:48:04.000 And then, from then on, she's gone to just dominate. 0.97

00:48:06.000 And I think that a woman like that, like, if you could find someone like that at 135, it would be very interesting. 0.68

00:48:11.000 Because although Ronda is getting better at striking, you very rarely, if ever, see her throw kicks.

00:48:17.000 It's very rare.

00:48:18.000 Yes.

00:48:19.000 And for someone who's a good Muay Thai fighter, man, that is...

00:48:22.000 And also, Ronda has notoriously had problems with her knees. 1.00

00:48:26.000 You know, I think you have to find someone that can fight going backwards as well.

00:48:29.000 Because as soon as that bellwings run the charges across the cage, and then anyone that's silly enough to stand in front of her and think they can strike standing on the spot, they're going to get taken down straight away. 0.96

00:48:38.000 So you're going to have to be mobile, otherwise she's going to grab you and flip you upside down on your head and inside out. 1.00

00:48:44.000 You're also going to have to be world-class as an athlete.

00:48:48.000 And I think that she is, but I don't think anybody she's ever fought is, except maybe Sarah...

00:48:56.000 You could say...

00:48:57.000 Not Alexis Davis, but Sarah McMahon.

00:49:02.000 Is that her name?

00:49:03.000 The Olympic silver medalist in wrestling?

00:49:06.000 She was obviously an excellent wrestler. 1.00

00:49:10.000 So you've got that.

00:49:11.000 She was obviously an excellent wrestler. 1.00

00:49:13.000 But as an MMA fighter, there's some holes in her game. 1.00

00:49:18.000 She's not very good off of her back either.

00:49:21.000 She gets put on her back and she doesn't do so well.

00:49:24.000 But I think Ronda, she's a winner overall. 0.99

00:49:27.000 That's the most important thing.

00:49:29.000 That person like the Jon Jones mentality, the person who just knows how to win, and is not going to get rattled by the pressure, is not going to get rattled by all the hype and all the bullshit talk, and is going to be able to go in there and perform at their maximum level.

00:49:43.000 Ronda obviously can do that. 1.00

00:49:45.000 And she even said... 1.00

00:49:47.000 Recently she said the more fucked up and crazy her life is, the more fucked up and crazy things are, the better she fights. 1.00

00:49:53.000 Which is just nuts. 1.00

00:49:55.000 Her last fight with Beth, that right hand you landed, you've never seen another girl knock out another girl with a single punch like that. 1.00

00:50:03.000 That was insane.

00:50:05.000 Not in MMA, at least.

00:50:06.000 The only time I've ever seen that in kickboxing.

00:50:10.000 Well, you know what? 0.98

00:50:11.000 Holly Holm has knocked some bitches dead with head kicks. 1.00

00:50:14.000 Head kicks. 1.00

00:50:14.000 But a single right hand, that was nasty. 1.00

00:50:17.000 It was nasty.

00:50:17.000 It wasn't like she just flash knocked down, either.

00:50:20.000 She was out.

00:50:21.000 Oh, she was dead.

00:50:22.000 She was dead.

00:50:22.000 She was hurt already.

00:50:24.000 And then, you know, she tagged her. 1.00

00:50:26.000 What was fucked up is she tagged her with the right hand. 1.00

00:50:28.000 And then as she's going down, Ronda was already throwing the left. 1.00

00:50:31.000 Yep.

00:50:31.000 You know?

00:50:32.000 And the left landed, too, as her body was already given out. 0.99

00:50:35.000 Yes.

00:50:35.000 That was nasty.

00:50:36.000 That was a wake-up call to a lot of people that she's like learning how to strike too. 1.00

00:50:41.000 But, with all due respect, Betch Cohea is a brawler.

00:50:45.000 Like her technique is, it's not that good.

00:50:48.000 She throws like kind of arm punches and she's like physically like She's bulldog-ish. 1.00

00:50:54.000 She's tough and strong, but she's not moving like Jacek.

00:51:00.000 She's not moving like an elite striker. 1.00

00:51:02.000 She's throwing barrages of punches, and the pressure for her must have been off the fucking charts in Brazil, fighting Ronda Rousey, talking so much shit. 1.00

00:51:13.000 And then she fucked up and talked about Ronda's dad and suicide and all that. 1.00

00:51:18.000 And the Brazilians kind of turned on her for that. 0.99

00:51:21.000 And then at the weigh-ins, the Brazilians were cheering Ronda, which never happens.

00:51:27.000 That's how much she's transcended.

00:51:29.000 She can go to Brazil and then the Brazilians will cheer her. 0.86

00:51:32.000 I've never seen that in my life.

00:51:34.000 Wait till she hits Australia. 1.00

00:51:35.000 She's a global phenomenon. 0.93

00:51:39.000 She's amazing.

00:51:40.000 I think once she hits Australia, I think the amount of support she's going to get there is going to be off the charts as well.

00:51:45.000 Yeah.

00:51:46.000 I just wish Holly had more fights in the UFC. I was going to ask you on the side what you think about that fight.

00:51:52.000 I think a little bit early for poor Holly. 1.00

00:51:55.000 But she's an amazing boxer. 1.00

00:51:56.000 To win so many world titles in boxing.

00:51:59.000 Oh yeah.

00:51:59.000 And then that head kick's a killer too.

00:52:01.000 Well, it's not that I don't think that Holly is capable.

00:52:05.000 One of the things I said is I don't think that's a smart fight because I want to see her fight some more people. 0.91

00:52:10.000 I want to see her fight Misha Tate.

00:52:12.000 I want to see her fight, you know, fill in the blank, Amanda Nunes. 1.00

00:52:16.000 I want to see her fight some tough girls and put on a show and then have everybody clamor for it. 1.00

00:52:22.000 I believe you've mentioned Amanda before.

00:52:25.000 She's a terror.

00:52:26.000 She knocked out Sarah McMahon in her last fight. 1.00

00:52:28.000 She was awesome.

00:52:29.000 She's a beast, dude. 1.00

00:52:30.000 And you can tell she wants it too. 0.97

00:52:32.000 She's not in there to be a statistic. 0.95

00:52:34.000 She wants that title belt bad. 1.00

00:52:36.000 It is Sarah McMahon, right?

00:52:37.000 Am I saying that?

00:52:38.000 Make sure I'm right. 0.99

00:52:40.000 I'm almost positive I am, but for whatever reason, I see her face in front of me, and for whatever reason, Sarah seems like I fucked up. 0.98

00:52:47.000 I have too many names in my head, man. 0.98

00:52:49.000 I really do.

00:52:51.000 Yeah, it is?

00:52:51.000 Right.

00:52:52.000 Thank you.

00:52:53.000 But I think Holly is physically very capable, without a doubt, and technically very capable. 1.00

00:52:59.000 Without a doubt, she'll be the best striker runners ever faced.

00:53:01.000 No question about it.

00:53:02.000 It's whether or not she can keep the fight standing, she can keep Ronda off her, whether she can deal with the pressure. 0.99

00:53:08.000 When she goes out there and there's 70,000 fucking people. 0.98

00:53:12.000 That's 10,000 more than we've ever done before. 0.99

00:53:14.000 And it's already almost sold out, I think.

00:53:17.000 It's crazy.

00:53:18.000 From fighting main events in Albuquerque to coming to Australia and fighting in front of our biggest football stadium in Melbourne.

00:53:24.000 And to look across the octagon at that blonde demon... 1.00

00:53:28.000 Coming out to that fucking Joan Jett song. 1.00

00:53:30.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:53:31.000 I don't think I've ever heard anyone call her the one demon before. 0.99

00:53:35.000 She's a demon, dude. 1.00

00:53:36.000 There's no question about it. 0.99

00:53:37.000 When you're locked in that thing with her and she goes after those girls, that's a demon.

00:53:42.000 So after we did the podcast in February, I was lucky enough to go to the UFC here in the Staples Center.

00:53:48.000 And then we went to the weigh-in and it was very cool.

00:53:51.000 And then, so Edmund and Runda were walking down the driveway to come into the hotel.

00:53:58.000 And as a fanboy, I had my iPhone.

00:54:02.000 I was like, oh, should I go ask for a photo?

00:54:03.000 Should I ask for a photo? 1.00

00:54:04.000 No, fuck it. 1.00

00:54:05.000 Why not? 1.00

00:54:06.000 And then I've shimmied over like a little scared little boy.

00:54:10.000 It's like, oh...

00:54:11.000 Excuse me, Ron, do you mind if I get a picture?

00:54:13.000 And she goes, oh, sorry, no photos until after the fight.

00:54:16.000 And then Edmund had his arm around her and he's looked at me and then he stopped her and he goes, hey, this is the guy.

00:54:23.000 This is the guy.

00:54:24.000 And she's looked at Edmund and he's going, oh, so this is the guy.

00:54:27.000 He goes, this is the guy.

00:54:28.000 So he's pushed her into my arms and said, oh, you've got to get a photo with him.

00:54:31.000 This is the guy.

00:54:33.000 Well, Edmund knows who you are for sure.

00:54:34.000 Yeah, he was amazing.

00:54:36.000 So then we took a photo and she's amazing.

00:54:39.000 She's such a cool person.

00:54:41.000 I was so scared.

00:54:42.000 I was so starstruck.

00:54:43.000 And then she was just normal.

00:54:45.000 And then afterwards, I come down and got a couple of drinks at the hotel bar there.

00:54:51.000 And Edmund was there.

00:54:51.000 And he made his way over to come and have a chat to me.

00:54:54.000 And then we just talked with long-lost friends.

00:54:57.000 He was such a gentleman as well.

00:54:58.000 He was such a nice guy.

00:55:00.000 Yeah, people get a, they have a, for whatever reason, there's a misconception about what he's like, you know.

00:55:07.000 I think part of it's the Armenian thing.

00:55:10.000 You know, Armenians are just so, they're so masculine, you know, and they have this certain way about them that a lot of people, they misread that, you know.

00:55:18.000 They just, they're fun people, man.

00:55:21.000 They're very proud, very fun people.

00:55:23.000 I'm a fan of Armenians.

00:55:25.000 I really like them.

00:55:26.000 Because I was in the Ultimate Fighter too, so I was expecting a certain sort of presence.

00:55:30.000 But then when it was just...

00:55:32.000 Oh, he's a gentleman.

00:55:34.000 He's awesome.

00:55:35.000 He was so cool.

00:55:35.000 Yeah, he's a gentleman.

00:55:36.000 And then we just started talking about Muay Thai and fighting.

00:55:39.000 And then actually my wife used to fight on the same cards as him back in the day when he was competing.

00:55:45.000 Where did he compete?

00:55:46.000 Did you ever see him compete?

00:55:48.000 No, they fought on the same cards here in Cali.

00:55:53.000 In Buena Park?

00:55:54.000 Buena Park. 1.00

00:55:55.000 That's when you know you're fucked. 1.00

00:55:57.000 Just kidding. 1.00

00:56:00.000 Buena Park.

00:56:02.000 He's done some great things with other fighters, too.

00:56:06.000 He's really improved Travis Brown's hands.

00:56:08.000 He's done some real good work with him.

00:56:10.000 Like you saw in Travis Brown's fight against Brenda Shaw, you saw some sharp combinations.

00:56:16.000 But then again, he got knocked out by Arlovsky in the fight afterwards.

00:56:19.000 But that was just chaos.

00:56:21.000 But I'd heard that in the gym, it's an interesting dynamic between fighters.

00:56:25.000 Sometimes fights...

00:56:26.000 When you look at guys on paper, Travis was ranked number three in the world and Arlovsky wasn't.

00:56:32.000 Arlovsky was a guy that everybody thought was at the end of his time.

00:56:37.000 But...

00:56:39.000 Arlovsky has been a world-class striker for a long time.

00:56:43.000 Arlovsky had been a heavyweight champion in the UFC, had a nasty power in his punches, a nasty right hand.

00:56:49.000 And in the gym, there's no pressure.

00:56:52.000 In the gym, he could be himself.

00:56:53.000 And in the gym, he had been used to bullying Travis around, apparently.

00:56:56.000 He had been beating Travis up when they had sparring sessions.

00:56:59.000 That was what the word was.

00:57:00.000 So when they'd gotten into the octagon together, like for everybody else, it was like, man, Arlovsky's got a tough fight.

00:57:09.000 I've spotted this guy a hundred times.

00:57:10.000 I'm going to go after him.

00:57:11.000 And so they went after each other.

00:57:14.000 And at one point, Travis had him down, man.

00:57:16.000 Had him down and hurt bad.

00:57:17.000 And Arlovsky came back from that and knocked him out.

00:57:20.000 And that was one of the craziest rounds in heavyweight history.

00:57:23.000 Yeah, that was mad. 0.99

00:57:23.000 Fucking madness. 0.99

00:57:25.000 That was so cool. 1.00

00:57:26.000 Wild, wild round.

00:57:27.000 And then Arlovsky goes and fights Amir.

00:57:29.000 And I was expecting the same Arlovsky.

00:57:31.000 I was expecting the same fireworks.

00:57:35.000 And unfortunately, it was a little bit of...

00:57:37.000 Not quite the same enthusiasm in that one. 0.53

00:57:40.000 I think in that fight, I think one of the things that happens in really high pressure fights, and I think this correlates with what we were talking earlier about pressure and about like, you know, we were talking about guys that put too much pressure on themselves from shit talking and get too much emotionally wrapped up in it.

00:57:57.000 When a fight is a fight where they say the winner is going to be the number one contender and will next fight for the title, those fights suck at least 50% of the time.

00:58:07.000 Because at least 50% of the time everybody locks up and nobody wants to do anything stupid because a win virtually guarantees you a shot at the title.

00:58:15.000 But but the fight wasn't good because neither guy pulled the trigger and it was like it was very lackluster It's like both guys were like hesitant and and even Arlovsky Even though he won the fight when I was interviewing him.

00:58:28.000 He wasn't happy.

00:58:29.000 Yeah, he wasn't happy.

00:58:30.000 He was devastated.

00:58:31.000 He was just crazy He won he won he he thought he was gonna have the next shot of the title But then you know then the fight was bad So that's one of the weird things about the UFC that people don't like Is that there isn't any, like, clear structure.

00:58:43.000 Like, when Misha Tate won, she was virtually guaranteed a shot at the title.

00:58:47.000 Beat Jessica Ai, you got a shot at the title. 0.91

00:58:49.000 She beats Jessica Ai and is like, ah, listen.

00:58:52.000 Surprise.

00:58:53.000 It's not, you're not ready for that.

00:58:54.000 Like, what?

00:58:56.000 So she's, she's actually, she made some interview recently where she said that she should probably think about what she's going to do when she retires.

00:59:04.000 And she should probably at least consider that.

00:59:06.000 And I was like, whoa, she's, like, thinking about retiring?

00:59:10.000 And that's an interesting thing when you look at the number one person in the division, which is clearly Rhonda, who's made... 0.92

00:59:16.000 I think she made like $6 million last year or $7 million. 0.98

00:59:20.000 Something fucking crazy like that. 0.98

00:59:21.000 And that's in fighting. 0.99

00:59:23.000 Forget about all these ads she's doing. 0.99

00:59:25.000 She's in a million different fucking commercials. 1.00

00:59:27.000 I mean, she's probably made that much on top of that with just ads and endorsements and movies. 0.99

00:59:33.000 She's done two big movies.

00:59:35.000 She's making... 0.99

00:59:36.000 Fucking truckloads of money, right? 0.99

00:59:38.000 And then there's Misha Tate, who's the number two girl in the division. 0.99

00:59:42.000 Arguably, I mean, even though she's lost to Ronda three times, she's the number two girl in the division, right?

00:59:48.000 Yes.

00:59:49.000 And how much do you think she makes?

00:59:51.000 I mean, it's a fraction.

00:59:53.000 A small fraction.

00:59:54.000 And it's not like she's not hot. 1.00

00:59:55.000 She's hot as fuck, right? 1.00

00:59:57.000 She's got a beautiful body. 1.00

00:59:59.000 Great ass. 1.00

01:00:00.000 Sorry I said that. 1.00

01:00:01.000 Sorry, Misha. 0.95

01:00:02.000 I'll do respect.

01:00:03.000 She's a great fighter, too. 0.97

01:00:04.000 She's very tough.

01:00:05.000 I believe there's photos of you at the Wayne.

01:00:07.000 Possibly.

01:00:08.000 I don't know if it was her. 1.00

01:00:09.000 I think it was looking at Rhonda's ass. 1.00

01:00:11.000 I've looked at a few asses at the Wayne's. 1.00

01:00:13.000 They get bored. 0.99

01:00:14.000 There's nothing to do.

01:00:14.000 I'm standing there.

01:00:16.000 They're in their underwear, feet away from me.

01:00:18.000 I'm not being a creep.

01:00:19.000 She's doing my job.

01:00:22.000 But, you know, Misha probably makes a very, very small fraction of what Rhonda makes.

01:00:28.000 And she's elite. 0.99

01:00:30.000 She's an outstanding fighter. 1.00

01:00:31.000 She's tough as shit, man. 0.99

01:00:33.000 And, you know, and people love her. 0.99

01:00:35.000 It's weird.

01:00:36.000 Yeah.

01:00:37.000 I believe she's into the movies now as well.

01:00:39.000 Her cyborg and Holly did that last one on her Instagram and Facebook as well.

01:00:43.000 Yeah, but who's making that movie?

01:00:44.000 Who's going to see that movie?

01:00:46.000 Yeah.

01:00:46.000 And what is that movie?

01:00:47.000 That movie's some fucking 3 a.m. 0.99

01:00:49.000 Cinemax. 1.00

01:00:50.000 Fucking zombie movie kicking zombies heads off or something. 0.99

01:00:53.000 You know, it's like people when people would tell me, oh, he's doing movies now. 0.99

01:00:57.000 I'm like, look, I know a lot of people doing movies.

01:01:00.000 Like, what kind of movie?

01:01:01.000 You know, are they doing a...

01:01:03.000 I think B.J. Ben did a couple movies.

01:01:06.000 Well, even Gina Carano's done, like, she's done some big movies.

01:01:09.000 And she did that one movie.

01:01:11.000 What was that movie?

01:01:12.000 She was a star.

01:01:13.000 Haywire.

01:01:14.000 Nobody saw it, and then because nobody saw it, nobody gave a shit about it, it faded away, and then you don't hear about her as a movie star anymore.

01:01:20.000 She was that close, that close to being this runaway train movie star.

01:01:27.000 There's Fast and the Furious, and there's all...

01:01:29.000 Ronda was in that.

01:01:31.000 Ronda was in one of those, right?

01:01:32.000 And then also Deadpool.

01:01:34.000 I think that one's coming out.

01:01:35.000 She's got a major part in that as well.

01:01:37.000 Oh, okay.

01:01:37.000 Gina does, right.

01:01:37.000 Hopefully that might skyrocket her career.

01:01:40.000 The ads or the previews for Deadpool look badass.

01:01:43.000 My point is, it's a tough racket.

01:01:46.000 The movie business is a tough racket.

01:01:48.000 I remember Frank Shamrock saying to me once, he said he was going to get into acting.

01:01:53.000 He said, I'm going to take over the world of acting, same way I took over the world of fighting.

01:01:56.000 I'm like...

01:01:56.000 Good luck with that, dude.

01:01:58.000 You can't even control that. 1.00

01:01:59.000 It's not like you can run hills better than anybody and kick people's asses. 0.98

01:02:03.000 When you're fighting, you can be undeniable. 0.91

01:02:06.000 You're fighting, they lock you in that octagon, or you hop over the ropes into that ring, and when the referee says, fight, there's nothing that can save that guy. 0.99

01:02:15.000 You storm after him and knock him out, and you're the fucking king. 0.99

01:02:19.000 But in the world of acting, my God, there's so many hoops and ladders and so much bullshit. 1.00

01:02:25.000 And it doesn't matter if you're the best. 0.99

01:02:27.000 Coming from you, you know exactly what's going on.

01:02:28.000 Sort of.

01:02:29.000 I've done some acting, but I've been very lucky to be on the outside of it all looking in.

01:02:34.000 Because I was always a stand-up comic.

01:02:36.000 I always had that as my real career.

01:02:38.000 And then this acting thing was something I did when they offered me money to do it.

01:02:42.000 But it's not something I really chased after that much.

01:02:44.000 Yeah.

01:02:45.000 And so when I watched other people that were chasing after it, I got to see the psychological aspect of it. 0.54

01:02:50.000 You see people kissing people's asses because you want everybody to like you, because you want to get cast in these movies, and you've got to make friends with the right social circles, you've got to be on the right red carpets, you've got to support the right causes, you have to have the right political affiliations. 0.96

01:03:05.000 It's a mess, man. 1.00

01:03:06.000 It's a fucking mess. 1.00

01:03:07.000 You can't say anything controversial. 1.00

01:03:09.000 You can't do anything too fucked up. 0.97

01:03:12.000 There's certain things you can get away with as an athlete you can never get away with as an actor. 1.00

01:03:17.000 Because if you did, they would just write, unless you're like some fucking Johnny Depp style, huge, undeniable movie star, you can get away with a lot of shit. 0.98

01:03:25.000 But that's just, you become undeniable. 0.99

01:03:27.000 You have so much fan base.

01:03:28.000 Yeah, he's already there, so he can do what he wants now.

01:03:31.000 It doesn't matter.

01:03:32.000 But even like Tom Cruise. 1.00

01:03:33.000 Tom Cruise fucked up. 0.99

01:03:35.000 He did a bunch of wacky interviews where he was talking about Brooke Shields and Scientology. 1.00

01:03:41.000 Antidepressants.

01:03:42.000 Yeah, and antidepressants. 0.99

01:03:43.000 Dude, his fucking movie ticket sales dropped after that. 0.99

01:03:47.000 And it took a while for them to rebound. 1.00

01:03:50.000 Took a couple of years from the rebound.

01:03:51.000 Yeah, the Scientology didn't help things at all. 1.00

01:03:54.000 No, that's wacky fucking shit, dude. 1.00

01:03:57.000 But again, it's that weird world of acting. 1.00

01:04:00.000 When Frank was telling me he was going to take over that world, I'm like, Jesus.

01:04:04.000 I mean, not doubting you, but good luck.

01:04:07.000 It's not the same world.

01:04:10.000 It's not like I'm going to take over the world of being a marathon runner.

01:04:13.000 Well, no one can stop you.

01:04:15.000 Everybody's at the starting line, ready, go.

01:04:17.000 You get an equal shot.

01:04:18.000 You're running the same road.

01:04:20.000 You're not running the same road when you're acting, man. 0.98

01:04:22.000 Anybody ever talk to you about doing some fucking karate movies? 0.98

01:04:26.000 Kicking some John Wayne Park style kicks in movies? 0.96

01:04:29.000 We've dabbled a fraction, but only for free, but not only just like shorts for the YouTube, but nothing.

01:04:35.000 For fun?

01:04:36.000 Just for fun, yeah.

01:04:37.000 Australian stuff or American stuff?

01:04:39.000 After I did the documentary with the Bus of Venom, we played around a little bit, and then we went to Thailand, and then I was lucky enough to work with some Thai stuntmen, and they'd work with Tony Jaar, and it was amazing.

01:04:50.000 That guy's incredible.

01:04:51.000 So these thumbmen that I got to work with, you throw an inch past their face and they literally throw themselves back 10 feet onto concrete, onto their back.

01:05:03.000 And then they lay there dead for three seconds, open their eyes.

01:05:08.000 Okay, do it again.

01:05:09.000 This time we're going to cut in a bit shorter.

01:05:11.000 And then they throw themselves again and again and again.

01:05:13.000 You've got to really know how to fall, man. 1.00

01:05:15.000 Shit. 1.00

01:05:16.000 You don't have to do nothing. 1.00

01:05:17.000 They sell it.

01:05:17.000 They make it look amazing.

01:05:19.000 I mean, the guys who fall, they've got to really know how to fall and not hurt themselves.

01:05:23.000 Yeah, different league. 0.98

01:05:25.000 I'd rather punch someone in the face. 0.99

01:05:27.000 It's a lot easier. 0.99

01:05:28.000 I'd rather make my money through violence instead of pretending to be violent.

01:05:32.000 And the documentary that you were talking about, if people didn't understand you through your thick Aussie accent, it's Blessed with Venom.

01:05:37.000 Yes.

01:05:37.000 And it's a great documentary.

01:05:39.000 And it details your life and learning Muay Thai and moving to Thailand and living there and fighting there.

01:05:46.000 And it's a really cool documentary, man.

01:05:49.000 Thank you.

01:05:50.000 So many people were messaging me saying, Joe Rogan sent me here on the YouTube comments saying, thank you very much for Joe Rogan.

01:05:57.000 Great documentary.

01:05:58.000 So it's...

01:06:00.000 I was saying before, when it got released in Australia, it was lucky enough to be open in cinemas.

01:06:05.000 So we had cinema release and then, yeah, it just went nowhere.

01:06:08.000 So it's on YouTube now.

01:06:09.000 So if you want to have a look a bit, not only about my career, but also about Thai culture.

01:06:15.000 So about an Aussie going to Thailand and learning the Thai customs and culture and learning how to speak Thai and eating on the floor and sleeping on the wooden floor and training seven hours a day. 0.69

01:06:26.000 It's pretty...

01:06:27.000 And then fighting the killers too.

01:06:29.000 I wasn't just going in there and making up numbers.

01:06:30.000 I was lucky enough to start at the bottom and then work my way up to winning two world titles in Bangkok.

01:06:36.000 So it's a happy ending.

01:06:38.000 Yeah, it's a fascinating documentary, too, because, like, culturally, it's such a unique thing for someone to do, to immerse themselves in the world of the Thai and of these Muay Thai fighters and live like they live and train like they live.

01:06:54.000 And a guy coming from Australia and moving there and doing that, it's always, to me, amazing to watch someone just enter into a world that's so completely different than theirs.

01:07:05.000 Barely had a grasp at all of the language and you know, you're training with these guys that have been essentially preparing for fights the way they have the way they did it with you for hundreds and hundreds of years before you were ever born.

01:07:20.000 Yeah, and then what happened was so say I've moved into this camp and there's about ten ten fighters there and then One night I've had my fight.

01:07:30.000 I've won I've gone to patio with all the Westerners hanging out for a week's holiday and And I've come back and all the other kids had run away.

01:07:37.000 So then there was only me and the superstar.

01:07:39.000 So now I was giving them 50% of my prize money after every fight.

01:07:43.000 So now I was in the camp's best interest to try and make me as good as I could, as fast as I could, so I could win more fights, to make more prize money, so they get 50% more income.

01:07:53.000 So the only way they could survive is for me to become the best that I could, so they could get more money, if that makes sense.

01:08:00.000 Yeah, that's what a fortuitous roll of the dice for you.

01:08:03.000 Yeah, so I was thrown under the, not under the bus, but...

01:08:06.000 Into the meat grinder.

01:08:07.000 Looking back, looking back, it was like the biggest blessing that could happen, because if there was 50 people there, I would have been stuck in a bag by myself, but because it was only me and the superstar, and then the superstar, Sang Ten Noe, he had no...

01:08:19.000 What's his name?

01:08:20.000 His fight name was the Deadly Kisser.

01:08:22.000 The Deadly Kisser?

01:08:24.000 The Deadly Kisser.

01:08:24.000 Why is that?

01:08:25.000 Because there's so much gambling in Thailand, so if he thought he was beating his opponent, at the end of the round, he'd give him a kiss on the cheek, and that would show all the punters, okay, I've got this, so they'd all bet on him, so they'd all bet him. 1.00

01:08:34.000 So if you're being kissed by him, it means he's kicked your ass. 1.00

01:08:37.000 Oh, no. 1.00

01:08:38.000 So, yeah, the deadly kisser.

01:08:39.000 Did the opponents know his nickname was the deadly kisser?

01:08:42.000 Oh, if they gave, yeah, because after the round, the ding, he'd walk up and just give you a kiss on the cheek. 1.00

01:08:47.000 They were like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

01:08:48.000 You're not kicking my ass. 1.00

01:08:49.000 Fuck, fuck. 1.00

01:08:50.000 Did people try to move away from the kiss? 1.00

01:08:53.000 Ran with Dekka.

01:08:54.000 Did he?

01:08:54.000 He fought Dekka three times.

01:08:55.000 Oh, really?

01:08:56.000 Dekka's like, no! 1.00

01:08:57.000 Get away from me! 1.00

01:08:58.000 Get those filthy lips away from me! 1.00

01:09:03.000 How did the fights go with him and Dekka? 0.96

01:09:05.000 It was 2-1.

01:09:07.000 Dekka won the last one.

01:09:08.000 Sancten won the first two.

01:09:09.000 The first one was Japan. 0.87

01:09:10.000 The second one was Lampini.

01:09:11.000 The third one was in Holland.

01:09:13.000 It was very, very close, but yeah, Dekka was...

01:09:15.000 Sancten was about 36, 37. It was like me versus Cosmo.

01:09:31.000 How old was Decker at the time?

01:09:33.000 Possibly about 34, 35. So that was towards the end of his run too, right?

01:09:39.000 He had a heart attack.

01:09:41.000 He was only like 42 or 43, right?

01:09:43.000 I think 44. 44 was it?

01:09:44.000 44 in a park. 1.00

01:09:45.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:09:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:09:47.000 How crazy. 1.00

01:09:48.000 He was riding his bike.

01:09:49.000 Riding his bike in a Dutch park.

01:09:51.000 And then, yeah, he has a memorial there where they come and lay heaps of flowers.

01:09:55.000 And I think they've spray-painted the little tunnel with the big memorial of Decker.

01:10:01.000 And it's very...

01:10:04.000 What a crazy way to go for a world-class athlete, world championship kickboxer, riding a bike at a relatively young age.

01:10:12.000 Yeah, he was the king.

01:10:13.000 He came to Australia and he hung out with me at my gym because he was fighting a friend of mine.

01:10:18.000 He was training a guy that was fighting Nathan, so they needed someone to train for the week to prepare.

01:10:23.000 So I was lucky enough.

01:10:25.000 The promoter rang me and said, do you mind if Raina comes and trains at your gym for a week? 0.99

01:10:28.000 It's like, oh, yes.

01:10:30.000 So, yeah, I hung out with him morning and night.

01:10:32.000 What was he like?

01:10:34.000 Just the dude. 0.79

01:10:36.000 He was just an animal.

01:10:38.000 And so many stories.

01:10:39.000 It's like me and you.

01:10:39.000 I could just sit here and just listen to you all day like a little schoolboy, just asking stories.

01:10:44.000 What's about this fight?

01:10:45.000 What about that fight?

01:10:46.000 Do you have any injuries?

01:10:47.000 And then he'd just go on.

01:10:48.000 He'd just...

01:10:49.000 Yeah, it was just a little boy just listening to greatness.

01:10:53.000 So it was really cool.

01:10:56.000 He gave me a pair of shorts that I have up in my gym that I'm so proud of that he fought multiple times in.

01:11:02.000 But yeah, just the wars.

01:11:06.000 Muhammad Ali of Muay Thai, pretty much.

01:11:08.000 He was the first one to put it on the map to say, look, there is a possibility for white people to beat Thais at their own sport in Thailand at the big stadiums. 0.73

01:11:17.000 And not only win, but knock them out in devastating fashion.

01:11:20.000 His style was so aggressive, too.

01:11:22.000 God, it was so exciting to watch.

01:11:24.000 He's one of my all-time favorites.

01:11:26.000 And then Rob Kamen, who was different because Rob was a bigger guy.

01:11:30.000 Yes, yes.

01:11:30.000 But very technical.

01:11:32.000 He's so technical.

01:11:32.000 God, he has such a system.

01:11:33.000 I had the honor of training with him quite a bit.

01:11:36.000 And he's so technical, man.

01:11:38.000 His system.

01:11:39.000 He has such a system for Muay Thai, for kickboxing, for putting combinations together and placement and movement. 0.98

01:11:47.000 He's a fucking interesting guy, Rob Kamen, man. 0.87

01:11:50.000 Very interesting guy. 0.98

01:11:51.000 It was hard for him to get the same accolades as Raymond because Raymond was fighting the ties at their most craziest weight, the 63s, the 61, the 63s.

01:12:02.000 You say that, you mean kilos, which is like 135, 140, something like that.

01:12:07.000 Yes, 135, 130-ish.

01:12:08.000 Yeah.

01:12:09.000 And then whereas Rob was a little bit bigger and he was fighting ties a little bit smaller so he was knocking them out but at the same time he should have been knocking them out because he's a big man.

01:12:17.000 And then when you're fighting Westerner versus Westerner you're not going to get the same worldwide sort of...

01:12:21.000 Right.

01:12:21.000 Whereas Raymond was...

01:12:23.000 He was fighting like the pure killers at their weight and not just beating them but knocking them out.

01:12:29.000 So and then...

01:12:30.000 When the tires are paying attention and the country's stopping to watch a Westerner come to their country to knock out their best, then you know you've made it. 0.71

01:12:38.000 Yeah, he was a real phenomenon.

01:12:40.000 And that's one of those things that for people that don't know the sport or aren't aware of it, you can go right now to YouTube and go on a journey through the world of Of one of the greatest combat sport athletes ever.

01:12:55.000 And Ramon Deckers has so many fights on YouTube.

01:12:58.000 You can go and watch them, and you'll understand what we're talking about.

01:13:01.000 When you just watch that guy just slam those kicks in and attack with a barrage of beautiful punches. 0.94

01:13:06.000 He was a monster. 0.99

01:13:08.000 He was a monster. 1.00

01:13:08.000 His pressure, too. 1.00

01:13:10.000 He'd push guys into the corner, onto the ropes.

01:13:12.000 And then it wouldn't matter if he got hit 14 times on the way in.

01:13:15.000 He'd just, give me one.

01:13:17.000 Just give me one.

01:13:18.000 Bang, bang, bang, bang.

01:13:19.000 And then...

01:13:19.000 Boom.

01:13:20.000 And then just knock him out unconscious. 0.77

01:13:21.000 My style is so hard.

01:13:23.000 It was such a hard style.

01:13:25.000 He did a seminar at my gym.

01:13:27.000 He said, just have three or four of us.

01:13:29.000 We'll just keep it tiny.

01:13:30.000 We'll just keep it really small.

01:13:31.000 That's what he wanted?

01:13:32.000 A three or four person seminar?

01:13:33.000 Yeah, he didn't want the big hundred people.

01:13:36.000 He just said, let's keep it six people max.

01:13:38.000 Wow.

01:13:39.000 No, he said, let's keep it an odd number so I can join in.

01:13:42.000 Oh, so you're like five.

01:13:43.000 And then he took turns of going one by one with us.

01:13:46.000 And then he'd say, okay, put your hands up.

01:13:48.000 I'm going to demonstrate a demonstration.

01:13:50.000 And he'd go, one, two, hook, leg kick.

01:13:52.000 And then you're thinking, he's going to tap, and it's like, boom, boom, boom, and then chop!

01:13:57.000 And then your eyes would go, bink! 0.54

01:13:59.000 What the hell was that? 0.80

01:14:00.000 So he hit you hard. 0.95

01:14:01.000 He sort of looked at me as if he was shocked that he hit me so hard in my reaction.

01:14:07.000 He goes, what?

01:14:08.000 I said, oh, yeah, that was crazy.

01:14:10.000 And he goes, oh, in Holland, this is normal.

01:14:12.000 This is what we do because on the ring, there's no surprises.

01:14:14.000 So if we train like this on the ring, and I'm just looking at him going, dude, there is no way in hell I'd like to train with like this, especially every day for a couple of hours, every single day.

01:14:26.000 That'd be detrimental to my health.

01:14:29.000 Well, ultimately, do you think that that's part of what broke him down as he got older?

01:14:33.000 Yeah.

01:14:34.000 He was devastated, like, physically.

01:14:36.000 By the time he was done, his ankles were gone.

01:14:38.000 Yeah, possibly, possibly.

01:14:40.000 And I think he got to the stage where his body was so destroyed, where he could only do pads.

01:14:44.000 He couldn't even, I don't think he could spar.

01:14:46.000 I remember him telling us at lunch, he said, hey, I'll just do pads, pads, pads.

01:14:49.000 And because he was fighting so regularly, he didn't have to spar because he was fighting possibly every two weeks or so.

01:14:54.000 So, yeah, he was, yeah.

01:14:57.000 That's the eternal debate because like in in MMA as well Joe Duffy was supposed to be fighting Dustin Poirier this past weekend in Ireland in a huge card in Dublin sold out in like an hour just Irish love fights right and Joe Duffy's the last guy to beat Conor McGregor and he's an Irishman so everybody's excited to see him the Saturday before the fight a week before the fight he gets a concussion hey Yeah,

01:15:24.000 sparring hard, sparring hard, going out for it, you know?

01:15:26.000 And they pull out of the fight.

01:15:28.000 So he pulls out of the fight the week of. 0.99

01:15:30.000 They gave him some examinations, and the doctor looked at him and said, Listen, man, you got fucked up. 0.98

01:15:36.000 You need a lot of time off. 0.99

01:15:38.000 You need a few months off.

01:15:39.000 You can't fight.

01:15:40.000 Yeah, count backwards from 10, apple, orange, lemon.

01:15:44.000 LAUGHTER That's the eternal debate.

01:15:49.000 Do you spar like the Dutch? 1.00

01:15:52.000 Do you fucking go crazy like Melvin Manhoof in Mike's gym? 0.99

01:15:56.000 You just fucking attack, attack, attack and just take your lumps and deal with it and then when you fight, you'll fight like that because you fight like that all the time. 0.99

01:16:05.000 Or do you take a more intelligent approach? 0.99

01:16:09.000 Like many fighters do, like the Thais do, where they spar and they don't spar hard at all, right? 0.98

01:16:13.000 Well, the Thais don't even... 0.97

01:16:14.000 When I first got there, there was no shin pads or...

01:16:18.000 Yeah, it was no...

01:16:19.000 It was just...

01:16:19.000 And then you could almost wear bag mitts and it was just tap, tap, tap, tap.

01:16:23.000 And then...

01:16:23.000 So you're just working on movement and timing.

01:16:25.000 No shin pads.

01:16:26.000 So it'd be shin on shin.

01:16:27.000 It'd still be fast and then you'd pull out that like karate, like point karate style.

01:16:31.000 But it was Thai boxing.

01:16:32.000 And then you still know if you got or not.

01:16:35.000 So if the shin landed across your ribs, it'd be pulled.

01:16:37.000 It'd be just a tap. 0.99

01:16:38.000 It's like, damn it. 0.99

01:16:39.000 And then you'd spar with the kids that were 10 years old and saying, do you want no shin pads? 0.99

01:16:44.000 And then no one got hurt.

01:16:46.000 And then after three hours, you're still smiling.

01:16:48.000 You're still joking.

01:16:49.000 But you've learned so much. 0.99

01:16:51.000 You've learned that you just got your ass kicked by a 10-year-old without getting beat up, if that makes sense. 0.99

01:16:56.000 When we box, we spar about 80-90%. 1.00

01:16:59.000 But when we kick and play and clinch, it's a bit more controlled.

01:17:03.000 The clinch is harder, I suppose.

01:17:06.000 Because you can do that in a clinch.

01:17:08.000 The same like jujitsu.

01:17:09.000 You can go full blast and you don't have to worry about it because you're not striking each other.

01:17:13.000 Yeah, I've had 122 fights now. 0.99

01:17:16.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.98

01:17:17.000 I'm sweet. 1.00

01:17:18.000 Well, listen to you.

01:17:19.000 You're talking, you're fine.

01:17:20.000 There's no dementia, there's no slurring words.

01:17:24.000 Have 122 boxing fights.

01:17:26.000 Jesus Christ.

01:17:29.000 Yeah, and then you hear about MMA guys, and then if they have more than 30 fights, it's a big deal.

01:17:35.000 But then Jeremy Horn had over 100 fights, but very intelligent, fought real smart, very bright guy, very technical.

01:17:43.000 He's not an athletic, powerful, super freak athlete.

01:17:48.000 Everything he had to do was proper technique and intelligence.

01:17:51.000 And to this day, over 100 fights, Jeremy Horn, you would never know it, talking to him or looking at him.

01:17:56.000 You know, he looks great, talks great.

01:17:58.000 The majority of the ties have had two, 250 fights.

01:18:02.000 And then, yeah, it's just normal.

01:18:04.000 250 fights. 0.99

01:18:06.000 That is fucking crazy. 0.99

01:18:07.000 We had a 10-year-old kid in our camp that had 100 fights as a 10-year-old. 1.00

01:18:11.000 He'd fight Monday, Tuesday, rest Wednesday, fight Thursday, Saturday, possibly rest Sunday.

01:18:16.000 And then every time he'd fight, he was making 500 baht, 500 baht.

01:18:20.000 So then his parents didn't have to work almost.

01:18:23.000 He was making enough money as a junior...

01:18:26.000 Fighting four times a week, five times a week, where he could support the family just as a 10-year-old.

01:18:33.000 So for them over there, it's a necessity.

01:18:37.000 As a 10-year-old, if you're 25 kilos too, you're not whacking with 100% power either.

01:18:42.000 You're scoring, you're playing the game.

01:18:44.000 It's not until you get into your 13s, 14s, and then you start using a bit more force and you start to get more damage on the shins and a bit more...

01:18:51.000 You've got to be a bit more wary of the punching power.

01:18:53.000 But as a junior, from say 7 to 10, you can definitely get away with fighting 3, 4, 5 times a week, no problem.

01:19:00.000 Well, some people say that that's the best way to teach kids too because they learn before they can hurt each other.

01:19:05.000 Yes.

01:19:05.000 And you learn how to move properly and your body develops like that.

01:19:11.000 You know your body develops like there's people that are That started out like they had like a martial arts background when they were young and then they started putting on weight like muscle weight, but they're still like super flexible and It's because their body sort of developed throwing kicks and their body developed doing those motions And if you can learn like there's a lot of people that believe that as as a boxer That if you don't start when you're young,

01:19:35.000 you'll never achieve a Floyd Mayweather level or a Roy Jones Jr. level.

01:19:40.000 It's not possible.

01:19:41.000 Your body has to develop doing that.

01:19:44.000 In Australia, there's a big controversy right now because the Athletic Commission and the government, they're all talking.

01:19:51.000 They're talking.

01:19:52.000 They don't want juniors to compete in any form of combat sport whatsoever until the age of 18, which I think is ludicrous because if that happens...

01:20:00.000 You've got the rest of the world that have already excelled to a certain level.

01:20:06.000 And if we don't start competing until 18, we're already behind the eight ball.

01:20:09.000 We're so far behind. 0.98

01:20:11.000 But that's so ignorant. 1.00

01:20:12.000 That's ignorant on their part. 1.00

01:20:13.000 That's people who don't understand combat sports because that's the time to learn. 0.99

01:20:16.000 Yes, yes.

01:20:17.000 And then it's also, you're not learning.

01:20:19.000 It's not about the fight.

01:20:20.000 It's about the culture.

01:20:21.000 It's about the lifestyle.

01:20:23.000 It's about living healthy and training and training the body and getting flexible and It's about getting over the fear of getting in competition as well.

01:20:30.000 It's about experiencing what young people are terrified of. 1.00

01:20:35.000 Getting your ass kicked. 1.00

01:20:36.000 And experiencing it in the gym, right? 1.00

01:20:38.000 My daughter was lucky enough to start fighting at the age of eight.

01:20:41.000 That's hilarious.

01:20:42.000 How many people say that?

01:20:43.000 My daughter was lucky enough to start fighting at the age of eight.

01:20:47.000 I remember she walked in as a little baby girl, and I was so petrified as a father.

01:20:53.000 But then she walked out like a woman. 1.00

01:20:55.000 She walked out as a warrior, as an eight-year-old warrior.

01:20:57.000 And then ever since, she's had this passion for the fighting.

01:21:01.000 She loves collecting trophies.

01:21:02.000 She loves making magazines and doing interviews.

01:21:08.000 It makes you become a better person, I believe.

01:21:12.000 I think it makes you evolve.

01:21:16.000 Evolve is the right word?

01:21:17.000 Yeah, sure.

01:21:17.000 Yeah, it definitely...

01:21:19.000 People that never fought will never understand what it's like to have that bond against someone to compete for a couple of minutes and then after that, no matter what happens, I've always...

01:21:30.000 With 122 people, I can say...

01:21:32.000 I'm not just a friend, but I've shared a moment in time with me and you.

01:21:37.000 We've...

01:21:38.000 We went into a different dimension for that time that we fought each other.

01:21:41.000 Does that make sense?

01:21:42.000 It does make sense.

01:21:44.000 There's nothing that can erase that memory of me and you standing toe-to-toe and exchanging blows.

01:21:50.000 This is why I love the sport so much because I have such a deep passion for it.

01:21:56.000 Well, when I was watching that Cosmo Alexander fight, I was actually thinking that.

01:21:59.000 I was like, these guys, they're sharing a crazy...

01:22:01.000 Because I was also thinking, like, you're 39 years old, and I don't know how much longer you can compete at this elite, world-class level.

01:22:08.000 You know, you're fighting in a world championship fight.

01:22:10.000 And I'm watching this, and I'm like, man, this is an intense moment that these two guys are sharing.

01:22:14.000 And afterwards, you guys are smiling and hugging each other.

01:22:17.000 And I was like, wow, those guys really did just share a very, very intense experience and a very intense moment that very few people will ever understand.

01:22:25.000 Yeah, it's such a...

01:22:27.000 And then to erase that from childhood memories, like for young kids not to have that experience, I think that's so sad because what's better, especially coming from myself, to go to school fighting on Saturday in a tournament and go to school on Monday and tell them the boys,

01:22:45.000 oh yeah, I've got a gold medal for whatever competition they've played.

01:22:48.000 It would be jiu-jitsu, taekwondo, karate.

01:22:51.000 It doesn't matter if it's more.

01:22:52.000 It could be anything.

01:22:53.000 Or even soccer, football.

01:22:55.000 You've gone out on the weekend and you've excelled at that sport that you've put your life into.

01:23:03.000 The boys come over to your house.

01:23:05.000 They have a sleepover.

01:23:06.000 You've got four or five Trevis up on the shelf.

01:23:08.000 Nothing can make you more proud than to be there from my fighting days.

01:23:15.000 I think it also teaches you how to overcome very scary moments, very difficult moments.

01:23:20.000 And I think when you don't overcome difficult moments, you always have that fear, like, how would I do under pressure?

01:23:28.000 What would happen to me under pressure?

01:23:30.000 I mean, how would I do when the chips are down, when I'm nervous?

01:23:33.000 And people who compete, they have the experience of doing that.

01:23:37.000 And I think that's where character is built.

01:23:39.000 Character is built through adversity.

01:23:41.000 And I think to deny young kids the opportunity that, especially out of ignorance, because if they don't, they don't understand that young kids don't get hurt the way adults do.

01:23:50.000 When you're fighting, like, you know, you see a guy like Gokhan Saki fighting Tyrone Spong.

01:23:54.000 Those are big boys.

01:23:56.000 Yes. 1.00

01:23:56.000 Big, heavy, throwing guys that are throwing fucking bombs. 1.00

01:24:00.000 There's a big difference between that and two six-year-olds that are fighting Muay Thai with headgear on and big gloves and shin pads in an amateur fight. 0.99

01:24:09.000 What those kids are doing is they're learning how to do something that's very difficult.

01:24:12.000 Yes.

01:24:13.000 And overcoming that moment.

01:24:16.000 The same fear but with the protection.

01:24:17.000 So it's almost the same.

01:24:19.000 I like what you said.

01:24:20.000 I shared one of your quotations on my Instagram the other day that absolutely killed it about people that have never been in a street fight.

01:24:28.000 It's that same thing where you have people that are, you always say, oh, that guy, he's pissing me off if I'm just going to knock him out.

01:24:35.000 It's like, no, you're not.

01:24:36.000 No, you're not.

01:24:37.000 You have no idea.

01:24:38.000 If that guy hits you back, you know how much that's going to hurt?

01:24:41.000 Yeah.

01:24:43.000 Well, what I said was that I don't understand how people who have never had any martial arts experience at all are willing to fight.

01:24:49.000 Yes. 0.98

01:24:50.000 Like, they're crazy. 0.96

01:24:50.000 Like, they're fighting. 0.96

01:24:51.000 I've seen people fight in the streets that you could tell when they're fighting that they have no fighting experience at all.

01:24:56.000 They don't know anything. 0.99

01:24:57.000 And yet they're willing to take a chance and fight some guy they don't even know and they're going to somehow or another think they're going to kick this guy's ass? 1.00

01:25:05.000 Like, you don't even know. 1.00

01:25:06.000 You don't know anything.

01:25:07.000 They just...

01:25:10.000 Just flailing.

01:25:11.000 I've seen it happen.

01:25:12.000 It's terrifying.

01:25:13.000 I don't understand it.

01:25:14.000 I don't know how people are willing to do that.

01:25:16.000 I'm so mad right now.

01:25:17.000 I'm just going to walk over there and knock him out.

01:25:19.000 It's not that easy.

01:25:22.000 And then once that confrontation starts, if you hit that person and you don't knock him out, you're just going to piss him off.

01:25:26.000 Or you break your hand.

01:25:28.000 How many times have people done that? 0.81

01:25:30.000 Throw a punch and hit a guy in the forehead and just smash your hand open?

01:25:33.000 Or they break a bottle or they pull something out of their pocket. 0.99

01:25:38.000 It's life or death now.

01:25:41.000 Great.

01:25:41.000 You don't know how to fight at all.

01:25:43.000 And you're in a life or death situation where you just hope this guy doesn't kill you.

01:25:46.000 Let's hope somebody that rescues you beforehand.

01:25:49.000 It's terrifying.

01:25:50.000 Especially because there's a big difference and I think that's where a lot of people get confused when it comes to martial arts and they equate it with violence.

01:25:59.000 The competition of a fight or of an event like a martial arts event It's a very very different thing because you're preparing for a skill contest and the skill contest may be dangerous and there's a there's Possibly violent endings to these things but it's not violence in the sense of you're not like trying to go out and Find someone and make them your victim what you're doing is you're trying to compete you're competing and in doing so you you learn something

01:26:30.000 about yourself and you develop a confidence that for someone who's never competed like that you never totally understand and Yes.

01:26:36.000 A violent game of chess.

01:26:38.000 Yeah.

01:26:38.000 And even more crazy than chess.

01:26:40.000 Especially MMA. Because there's so many moves.

01:26:44.000 There's so much going on.

01:26:46.000 If you're playing chess, you have so much time to think about it. 0.99

01:26:50.000 Unless you're playing that speed chess shit where they're hitting the clock.

01:26:53.000 But when you're playing chess and you're overlooking this board, I mean, not taking anything away from chess, because chess is a fascinating game, and there's so much complexity to it, and there's so many different moves, so many different possible combinations, but believe it or not, there are more possible combinations in fighting. 0.97

01:27:11.000 There's more possible combinations.

01:27:13.000 The outcome is more terrifying.

01:27:15.000 More is at stake.

01:27:16.000 Your physical health is at stake.

01:27:18.000 You're gambling your health.

01:27:21.000 On discipline, you have to get up in the morning, you have to overcome your body being tired and sore, and you gotta get up when you don't want to, when that warm bed is calling you. 0.73

01:27:32.000 You gotta put on your fucking running shoes, and you gotta go do your road work, and you gotta do your strength and conditioning, and you gotta spar when you don't wanna spar, and your body's starting to get run down, and you gotta make sure you get the right amount of sleep, you gotta make sure you get the right amount of nutrition.

01:27:44.000 There's all these variables, emotions, The physical fear, the fear of your own demise, not the nerves of a match. 0.99

01:27:52.000 I'm sure chess players get nervous before they have a match, but do you think they get nervous the way a fighter gets nervous?

01:27:57.000 I don't think it's possible.

01:27:59.000 They don't have to go in the hospital after that.

01:28:01.000 Yeah.

01:28:01.000 And then there's no fear, oh, am I going to get knocked out?

01:28:03.000 Am I going to get cut?

01:28:05.000 When I compete, I try to tell people that are coming up through the sport, oh, what's it like to have your first fight?

01:28:11.000 It's like we were saying before, once the bell rings, everything goes numb.

01:28:15.000 And you don't have time to think, so you have to take yourself, everything's on that muscle memory.

01:28:19.000 So many times I've been punched at, or kicked at, or an elbow has shown, and I've blocked it with a quarter of a second to go.

01:28:28.000 And I think in my head, if that had hit me flush, I would have been knocked out.

01:28:31.000 But somehow or other, my body knows the blocking time, the countering time, and then...

01:28:37.000 I don't hear anything.

01:28:38.000 I don't see anything besides my opponent.

01:28:40.000 I can't...

01:28:41.000 Yeah, I'm just in this different world.

01:28:43.000 And then the end of the fight, the bell rings, ding, and all of a sudden it seems the world opens back up again.

01:28:50.000 I'm back on the chair.

01:28:51.000 I can hear voices again.

01:28:53.000 And then I can't remember the fight.

01:28:55.000 The fight's just a blur.

01:28:57.000 It's not until people say, hey, do you remember this or that, or until you watch the replay on the phone or the internet or the replay, but...

01:29:05.000 Yeah, you're just into a different realm completely.

01:29:08.000 It's such a unique experience to turn off your brain and just rely on pure instinct.

01:29:15.000 Yeah, again, that's why I love it.

01:29:18.000 I love it so much.

01:29:19.000 Well, it's got to be an intensity that no one else could ever understand.

01:29:22.000 And that's probably a bond that you share with those people that you get into the ring with, like Cosmo Alexander, that the average person would just never...

01:29:31.000 Be able to understand what you guys have gone through.

01:29:34.000 Yeah, and then the idea you've been cut and the one eye is blurry from the blood and you don't want to wipe it because that's a tell from your opponent that the blood's starting to annoy you.

01:29:44.000 So you've got to try and stay there with one eye all red and bloody and yucky and you can feel the stickiness in your eye and you can feel the pain, you can feel your eye throbbing and then you've got to turn off.

01:29:57.000 You've got to go so much soul-searching to keep focused on being violent and trying to win no matter how.

01:30:07.000 Even though you're losing, you know that you have to try and come back and still knock this guy out.

01:30:12.000 And make adjustments.

01:30:12.000 And make adjustments and turn the pain off yet still trying to focus on what I'm doing is not working so I have to try and up the ante and try something else and that might get me in more danger again where I might get even more cut or more beat up or another knee to the face.

01:30:28.000 Do you ever work with a hypnotist or a psychologist or a sports psychologist or anything like that?

01:30:33.000 I know Vinnie Shulman.

01:30:36.000 Yeah, I know Vinnie.

01:30:38.000 I'm good friends with Vinnie, but I never work with anyone.

01:30:40.000 You should try it with Vinnie.

01:30:42.000 I was wondering, I was like, what is this?

01:30:45.000 Hypnosis.

01:30:46.000 Vinnie put me under, but I knew I was under, but I was like, whoa, this is a strange state he puts you in.

01:30:52.000 He's a very interesting cat.

01:30:54.000 Vinny's cool.

01:30:55.000 He came out to Australia with a friend of mine, Andy Hallison, and then they hung out for a week.

01:30:59.000 And we were good buddies.

01:31:01.000 And then in Australia as well, there's a lot of mind coaches as well that I've noticed that are starting to appear out of somewhere.

01:31:07.000 But because I've been in Thailand so long, I don't believe I need...

01:31:11.000 Mind coaching.

01:31:11.000 I believe I'm already at that stage in my life where I know exactly what I want.

01:31:16.000 Same with this world title with Cosmo.

01:31:17.000 I know I wanted it.

01:31:18.000 I didn't need someone to tell me that I wanted it.

01:31:20.000 I know I want it. 0.97

01:31:21.000 And when I lose it, it just fucking pisses me off. 0.92

01:31:25.000 I think a lot of people have that thought about what it is. 0.97

01:31:28.000 And I did as well.

01:31:30.000 Like, oh, well, what you're going to do is it's going to solidify what you want and you go after it.

01:31:35.000 I don't necessarily think it's that.

01:31:38.000 Instead of hypnosis, what Vinny likes to think of it is you're optimizing the pathways for your focus.

01:31:45.000 And instead of saying, I know what I want, I'm going to go get it, it's sharpening that to a razor's edge.

01:31:51.000 And I think everyone should look into it.

01:31:56.000 Not necessarily saying that everyone should implement it.

01:31:59.000 Here's a perfect example.

01:32:00.000 Roy Jones Jr. in his prime, I would say...

01:32:04.000 Do everything you're doing. 0.99

01:32:05.000 Don't change a goddamn thing. 0.99

01:32:06.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

01:32:07.000 I mean, when he was fighting and just moving like no one has ever moved before, knocking guys out with combinations that were just ridiculous.

01:32:14.000 Like, how could you say that guy needs to go to a mind coach?

01:32:17.000 You can't, right?

01:32:18.000 But...

01:32:19.000 I really honestly believe that even though I would say just do whatever you're doing, if he did go to a mind coach, he'd probably take it to an even different level.

01:32:29.000 Probably take it to an even higher level.

01:32:31.000 I think that everything you do, everything you do, As good as you're doing it, you could do it better.

01:32:38.000 I think everything can be optimized, you know, and I think everything has layers and levels to it.

01:32:44.000 And to say, this is good enough, we're done here, I just think, honestly, it almost like...

01:32:51.000 It disrespects the process of evolution.

01:32:54.000 It disrespects the process of getting better at it, of greatness. 0.93

01:32:58.000 Like, for every Roy Jones Jr., there's a guy watching Roy Jones Jr. and thinking, I gotta figure out a way to beat that motherfucker, and training harder, and maybe he has just as many physical gifts, and maybe he has just a slight edge in some sort of a weird, strange way because he's been watching Roy Jones Jr. compete. 0.95

01:33:16.000 I don't know, man. 0.96

01:33:17.000 I think that this sport is all about...

01:33:20.000 Like, minute differences.

01:33:22.000 Like, all combat sports.

01:33:24.000 Do you know who Nick Kurson is?

01:33:26.000 Strength and conditioning coach.

01:33:28.000 Really highly, highly respected.

01:33:30.000 Trains Rafael Dos Anjos, who's the UFC lightweight champion, and trains Ruslan Provodnikov, a famous boxer, and a bunch of other elite athletes.

01:33:40.000 Done some work with Joe Schilling now, too.

01:33:41.000 He's doing some work with Joe Schilling.

01:33:43.000 And he said something really interesting when Rafael Dos Anjos beat Anthony Pettis.

01:33:49.000 And he said, One of the things that we did with him, all these strength and conditioning drills, it's about executing and getting there just slightly faster.

01:34:01.000 And he's like, even though he dominated that fight, think about those exchanges.

01:34:04.000 He dominated those exchanges by maybe a half a second.

01:34:07.000 Like he landed a half a second quicker.

01:34:09.000 His recovery was just a little quicker.

01:34:13.000 He was able to re-engage just a little quicker.

01:34:15.000 And those little tiny edges, those little tiny edges, means he lands first, and it means he's dominating.

01:34:22.000 And even though his advantage, like physically, his advantage of execution was so small, it was enough.

01:34:28.000 Those little advantages are enough to win a fight.

01:34:31.000 And it's incredible when you think about it that way, that...

01:34:35.000 This sport is just a matter of these incremental increases in ability.

01:34:41.000 Incremental advances.

01:34:43.000 It's so fascinating to me.

01:34:44.000 I never grow tired of it.

01:34:46.000 I guess I'm sort of in the caveman era too, where I believe I think what the mind coaches are doing are awesome, but at the same time, I don't need someone to pat my back and say, hey, you're doing a good job.

01:34:57.000 I don't think they're doing that, though.

01:35:01.000 Talk to Vinny.

01:35:02.000 Maybe he can give you a bit of an insight on it.

01:35:05.000 But I think you're right, too.

01:35:08.000 I'm not saying he's right and you're wrong.

01:35:11.000 I think you're right too, because you're a proven champion.

01:35:16.000 And that mindset, the steely determination that you've developed, nobody needs to tell you how to do it. 0.97

01:35:21.000 I firmly believe you're one of those guys who wake up at 3 o'clock in the morning and say, it's go time, and you put your shorts on, wrap your hands, and you don't know what the fuck to do. 0.98

01:35:29.000 You're just going to fall into it. 0.98

01:35:31.000 It's your thing.

01:35:32.000 You've been doing it forever.

01:35:34.000 Because there's a gentleman in Australia that's doing it, and then if someone's having a bad day, I know they call him and say, oh, mate, I had a bad session.

01:35:39.000 What do I do?

01:35:40.000 Oh, mate, don't worry.

01:35:41.000 Tomorrow's a new day.

01:35:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:35:43.000 Where I know, okay, today I fucked up. 0.99

01:35:45.000 Tomorrow I'm going to train harder and make sure that doesn't happen again. 0.98

01:35:48.000 Yeah, you're on mine, Coach.

01:35:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:50.000 And then I've got no one else to blame but myself, too.

01:35:52.000 Right.

01:35:52.000 So I'm very lucky in Australia that I own the gym.

01:35:56.000 I'm my own trainer, my own manager.

01:35:58.000 I do all my negotiations with promoters.

01:36:03.000 I have my friends that come in, like Kevin from New Zealand here, that comes and helps me.

01:36:08.000 And we work on different, we talk.

01:36:10.000 I give him ideas of what I want to do on the pads.

01:36:14.000 So everything, I'm in control of my own destiny, if that makes sense.

01:36:18.000 I've got no one dictating me what to do.

01:36:21.000 I was the one that reached out to Scott Kent to try and get on the line.

01:36:25.000 I'm the one that's reaching out to all these different guys.

01:36:28.000 You like that, but some people don't, right?

01:36:31.000 Some people just don't want to train.

01:36:33.000 They don't want to think.

01:36:34.000 They want their manager to tell them who to fight.

01:36:36.000 They want everything set up for them, and they just want to concentrate on training.

01:36:39.000 Yeah, well, because I finished Thailand.

01:36:42.000 When I moved back to Australia from Thailand, there was no one for me there, so...

01:36:47.000 I opened a gym because I needed someone to train so I had to teach classes to pay the rent so I could still have someone to train and that sort of blossomed into the gym started being successful so then I started having more guys training underneath me that wanted to fight and all of a sudden I'm working their corners and learning how to wrap hands and now I'm trying to do everything.

01:37:06.000 And then also at the same time, trying to create my own career as well.

01:37:10.000 So I've been so lucky.

01:37:13.000 It just sort of happened.

01:37:16.000 It's not like I wanted a coach.

01:37:19.000 I'd love to have a coach, but at the same time, what I've been doing has been working and I've been lucky enough to be successful.

01:37:25.000 Where would you train if you didn't have to run your school?

01:37:29.000 Is there a place in the United States or in Thailand or anywhere in the world where you would train?

01:37:34.000 Thailand was perfect for four or five years and then I definitely grew out of that and when it was time to come to Australia it was perfect.

01:37:44.000 But where would I train?

01:37:45.000 You grew out of it.

01:37:46.000 How so?

01:37:47.000 The fights were so hard for so small money.

01:37:51.000 So high-level fights, very dangerous fights.

01:37:53.000 Very dangerous fights.

01:37:54.000 Again, with guys with 200, 300 fights.

01:37:57.000 And then your prize money is enough for a Happy Meal. 1.00

01:37:59.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:38:01.000 So it was crazy. 1.00

01:38:03.000 And then by the time you convert that Happy Meal money to Australian money, yeah, you're buying a pack of chewing gum. 0.99

01:38:08.000 God damn it. 0.97

01:38:09.000 What's the cheapest you ever fought for? 0.99

01:38:11.000 The cheapest I fought for was 1,000 baht, which was $25.

01:38:19.000 And then you have to pay money to the gym, and then you got to think about training expenses and food.

01:38:24.000 You're losing money.

01:38:24.000 A lot of money.

01:38:25.000 Yeah, it sort of sucked.

01:38:27.000 But then I worked my way up, and then my last fight in Thailand was for a million baht, which was approximately 35,000 Australian.

01:38:34.000 That's not bad, right?

01:38:35.000 Yeah, if that's okay.

01:38:36.000 But it was probably like a super elite, world-class fight.

01:38:40.000 Yeah, and then from there, I've been on the 30s, the 40s for the last 10 years, so...

01:38:45.000 So I've been very fortunate that way that I've enough to survive and live comfortably and only have to train and look after the gym.

01:38:53.000 We're a lot of other people that I manage and they're lucky that if they get $3,000 they've hit the jackpot.

01:39:01.000 So it's such a hard sport to try and become a superstar.

01:39:05.000 It's so hard.

01:39:05.000 So if there was one place where you would train, it was totally up to you.

01:39:10.000 I guess Holland.

01:39:12.000 Holland.

01:39:12.000 Which gym do you know?

01:39:15.000 Good question.

01:39:16.000 I'd probably train with Core Hammers.

01:39:18.000 Core Hammers is a legend.

01:39:19.000 He's got the writing on the board with Raymond and then what's the gentleman now that trains at a glory that's doing this?

01:39:29.000 Nicky Holson. 0.69

01:39:30.000 Nicky Halskin is a beast.

01:39:31.000 I'm not sure he's with Cor Hemazoo.

01:39:33.000 He was for a while.

01:39:34.000 I don't know if he is anymore.

01:39:36.000 I believe he's still with that circle of guys. 0.79

01:39:39.000 He's a beast, though.

01:39:40.000 God, he's so good.

01:39:41.000 He's amazing.

01:39:42.000 He's excellent.

01:39:42.000 He's one of my dream fights.

01:39:44.000 I'm probably a little bit older fighting now because he's in his peak and I'm a little bit older.

01:39:47.000 But he was one of the guys that I always thought that we'd cross paths, but we never did.

01:39:52.000 Wait, is he glory?

01:39:55.000 76, I believe.

01:39:57.000 77. George's weight.

01:39:59.000 Walter.

01:40:00.000 Okay, so it's 170?

01:40:01.000 I believe so, yes.

01:40:02.000 A little heavier, a little more like Cosmo Alexander. 0.99

01:40:06.000 Cosmo, and a killer too. 0.52

01:40:08.000 He's got dynamite. 1.00

01:40:09.000 Nasty left hook. 0.99

01:40:10.000 Nasty, nasty punches, just like Raymond. 0.75

01:40:13.000 Very similar.

01:40:14.000 He was a Raymond Decker mini-me.

01:40:17.000 Well, he has a very technical style though, very intelligent.

01:40:20.000 You know, like when he fought Raymond Daniels.

01:40:22.000 A good high knee as well.

01:40:23.000 Yes.

01:40:24.000 The knee to the face is a killer. 0.99

01:40:25.000 When he fought Raymond Daniels, Daniels throws all those wild combinations and crazy shit, you know, and just walked him down. 0.97

01:40:31.000 Figured how to keep the pressure on him, throw a lot of leg kicks, throw combinations, rip that left hook to the body, and eventually he took him out. 0.90

01:40:38.000 And once he presses him into the corner too, there's no escape.

01:40:40.000 And he's got that nice switched knee to the face.

01:40:43.000 Well, Raymond Daniels is an interesting case.

01:40:45.000 Do you know who he is?

01:40:46.000 Yes, yes.

01:40:46.000 They fought twice.

01:40:47.000 Yeah, they fought twice and he stopped them both times.

01:40:49.000 You know, Raymond Daniels is an interesting case because there's a guy who was elite at a very odd style of fighting.

01:40:55.000 He was elite at point karate. 0.96

01:40:57.000 And if you watch point karate fights online, you realize like, God, this guy just blitzes in with this crazy shit and then they would stop it. 0.95

01:41:04.000 And point karate, for people who don't know, is like a really high-level game of tag with karate. 0.89

01:41:10.000 Because once you touch the guy, like literally touch them, they stop it and they score the point.

01:41:15.000 So...

01:41:16.000 It's very difficult to transition from that into continuous fighting.

01:41:21.000 Like when you fight in kickboxing or in Muay Thai or in MMA, when you hit a guy once, he hits you back, you hit him again, and it's all about hitting and not being hit and movement.

01:41:32.000 What karate, what they get really good at is this blitz where they jump on you and ta-tack!

01:41:37.000 But they have to get used to you hitting back and the referee not stopping the action.

01:41:42.000 So credit to Raymond Daniels.

01:41:43.000 He went from doing this one style of jumping in and hitting a guy once to this continuous style.

01:41:52.000 And then also factor in leg kicks.

01:41:54.000 Because in these karate tournaments, you can't kick the legs.

01:41:57.000 So he's jumping in with all these wild kicking and punching techniques.

01:42:01.000 And then...

01:42:03.000 He goes from that to this incredibly difficult, grueling style of fighting.

01:42:10.000 The guys have their hands up very high.

01:42:12.000 They're throwing a lot of leg kicks. 0.90

01:42:13.000 And he's excelled at it, except at the very elite level.

01:42:17.000 When he's fought the very best guys, like Joseph Valtellini stopped him.

01:42:20.000 Same thing.

01:42:21.000 Attack the legs, attack the legs, get him to block the leg, goes up high and head kicks him. 0.82

01:42:25.000 But it's utilizing the Muay Thai style to defeat this style where he's got so many tools, but he doesn't quite have all of it together at a world-class level.

01:42:38.000 But if you let the guy fight on the outside, man, he's got that blitz.

01:42:43.000 That blitz and those wild kicks.

01:42:45.000 He's really interesting.

01:42:46.000 Yeah, very unorthodox.

01:42:47.000 Added the spins and the jumping.

01:42:50.000 But you've got to wonder, man, with a guy with those type of skills, If he could get his hands at the same level as a Nicky Holtzkin or a Valtellini and get those leg kicks at the level that those guys have, man.

01:43:05.000 Yeah, no, it's crazy.

01:43:07.000 But Nicky Holtzkin, I don't know if anyone can fight him right now.

01:43:10.000 He's probably the king at that weight division.

01:43:14.000 Yeah, there's a lot of talent and glory.

01:43:17.000 It really drives me nuts seeing them leaving Spike TV. It really bums me out.

01:43:23.000 Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen now because without them and the prize money, again, without the exposure, what happens now?

01:43:30.000 What happens to...

01:43:32.000 Lion Fight's the only channel to go near, I suppose.

01:43:35.000 And now Bellator is doing the kickboxing version as well with their last show with the ring in the cage.

01:43:40.000 So that was interesting.

01:43:41.000 But that was combined with Glory.

01:43:43.000 Yeah, I suppose, yeah.

01:43:44.000 Yeah, I think that was what they were doing.

01:43:46.000 I mean, they were just trying to have a big, crazy, Japanese-style event. 1.00

01:43:51.000 I don't know, man.

01:43:52.000 It just bums me out.

01:43:53.000 It just bums me out that for whatever reason it didn't catch on.

01:43:58.000 And Spike is obviously where the UFC took off, so it's not like it can't happen there.

01:44:03.000 But whatever reason, it just didn't.

01:44:06.000 Yeah, it's hard.

01:44:08.000 It's hard for us strikers.

01:44:11.000 You have to get the steel cup on the corners in between fights.

01:44:14.000 And you got any change?

01:44:17.000 Pass the hat around.

01:44:19.000 What about in Holland?

01:44:20.000 Do they make money in Holland fighting?

01:44:23.000 I believe they shut down all the big shows.

01:44:26.000 There's a massive show called Showtime where they used to have half a football stadium.

01:44:30.000 And I believe they had like 30,000 to 40,000 people that would come to these events three or four times a year.

01:44:36.000 And then apparently the Hells Angels were involved with a little bit of washing. 0.97

01:44:41.000 Watching this and that.

01:44:42.000 And then they got banned from doing the big shows.

01:44:45.000 So that's why there's nothing happening in Holland now. 0.99

01:44:47.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:44:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:44:48.000 Again, again. 1.00

01:44:49.000 That was the place to go.

01:44:51.000 Holland and Showtime.

01:44:52.000 And Cosmo was a former Showtime champion also.

01:44:55.000 And Badahari.

01:44:56.000 Badahari.

01:44:57.000 Love watching that guy fight. 1.00

01:44:58.000 He's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:45:00.000 Sammy Shield, all these crazy killers, all the Dutch. 1.00

01:45:03.000 It was such an amazing show. 0.98

01:45:04.000 And then because they knocked it on the head, now there's...

01:45:07.000 Where do you go?

01:45:08.000 Like that was the...

01:45:09.000 Besides Thailand, Holland was that place and now that's dried up. 0.67

01:45:14.000 Now it seems that... 0.98

01:45:15.000 Maybe Japanese can fucking pick up slack and come back with K1 again. 1.00

01:45:19.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:45:19.000 Because I know they're trying to do a new MMA promotion. 0.98

01:45:21.000 They have Fedor for New Year's.

01:45:23.000 Yes.

01:45:23.000 But here's a problem.

01:45:24.000 There's no heavyweight talent out there.

01:45:26.000 They can't find Fedor an opponent.

01:45:28.000 Someone said his opponent's four fights or something with two winners.

01:45:32.000 Oh, that guy.

01:45:32.000 They pulled that guy out.

01:45:34.000 Yeah.

01:45:34.000 Apparently he's not in shape.

01:45:35.000 That was an Indian gentleman, I believe, from India.

01:45:38.000 Yeah.

01:45:38.000 I don't even, I know who he is, but it's just not world-class.

01:45:41.000 It's not for a guy like Fedor.

01:45:44.000 Yeah.

01:45:44.000 Like, you know, you're talking about arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time, and you're going to have him fight a guy who's just nowhere near his league for a New Year's Eve show.

01:45:52.000 That's crazy.

01:45:53.000 Yeah.

01:45:53.000 You need world-class talent.

01:45:55.000 There was so much excitement when he announced that he was coming back, and then there was the talk of...

01:45:59.000 Well, he's supposed to fight in the UFC! That's what he's supposed to do!

01:46:02.000 Yeah, there was talk of the UFC, then there was talk of going to Bellator, and then he was going to make the big announcement, and then, okay, we're going to Japan.

01:46:09.000 Well, I think at least Spike TV is going to air the fight.

01:46:12.000 I think they did something in conjunction with Spike TV for this event.

01:46:17.000 So I believe, I don't want to, I'm just pretty sure that it's in conjunction with Spike TV, the Fedor. 0.98

01:46:25.000 But who the fuck is he going to fight? 0.98

01:46:26.000 There's no one out there. 0.99

01:46:27.000 Unless Randy Couture comes out of retirement.

01:46:29.000 Yeah.

01:46:29.000 And Randy's 50-whatever years old.

01:46:32.000 And you're going to need a strong undercard to support it as well.

01:46:35.000 And everybody's signed.

01:46:36.000 Everyone's signed with either Bellator or UFC. It's crazy.

01:46:40.000 Or World Series of Fighting.

01:46:41.000 Between those three shows, they have everybody.

01:46:43.000 Yeah.

01:46:44.000 I mean, Bellator doesn't even really have a heavyweight champion.

01:46:47.000 You never see their heavyweight champion fight. 0.97

01:46:49.000 I mean, who the fuck is their heavyweight champion? 0.97

01:46:50.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:46:51.000 It's like, I don't think the guy has fought.

01:46:53.000 I don't think their heavyweight champion has fought in like two years or something crazy like that.

01:46:56.000 Yeah.

01:46:57.000 It's a mess, man.

01:46:58.000 It really is a mess.

01:46:59.000 It's very unfortunate.

01:47:04.000 I'd like to see him fight a quality opponent if he's going to come back.

01:47:08.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:47:09.000 Like the pro days, that would have been amazing.

01:47:11.000 Yeah, well, they did it before.

01:47:13.000 Why can't they do it again?

01:47:15.000 I think there's got to be some upstarts, some young, up-and-coming fighters out there all over the world that are very talented.

01:47:25.000 It's a matter of having a quality talent scout who really is deep in the game, who understands fighting, who can go out there and recruit those guys at a young age and then Well, the Japanese also, there's another angle that must be considered, is that the Japanese became big, 0.77

01:47:42.000 the organizations, by having pro wrestlers fight in MMA matches like Takata.

01:47:49.000 When Takata fought Hicks and Gracie, Hicks and Gracie was the man in the fucking Brazilian Jiu Jitsu world, right? 0.76

01:47:56.000 And he was the man in the Gracie world. 0.86

01:47:59.000 When Hoist Gracie was winning the UFC, he always said, listen, my brother's ten times better than me.

01:48:03.000 And he always said that.

01:48:04.000 And then his brother goes and fights for Japan Valley Tudo and becomes a superstar in Japan.

01:48:09.000 And then his brother, people don't know, Hickson fought in the very first Pride.

01:48:13.000 Hickson fought Takata.

01:48:15.000 And so when Hickson was fighting in Japan, Hickson was a superstar.

01:48:19.000 Takata was a pro wrestling superstar.

01:48:21.000 And that's what made Pride take off. 0.93

01:48:23.000 And then, obviously, they were doing these gigantic arenas, Saitana, Super Arena, and these huge fucking venues and New Year's Eve shows. 0.96

01:48:34.000 They have to figure out how to rebuild that. 0.78

01:48:36.000 But I don't even think pro wrestling is where it's at anymore in Japan.

01:48:40.000 I think Japan, they get fickle.

01:48:42.000 These young kids, they dress like Elvis, they dye their hair purple, and then next year, they become accountants.

01:48:49.000 That's the new thing.

01:48:50.000 They have these weird fads they get into.

01:48:53.000 What's the gentleman?

01:48:56.000 Genki Sudo.

01:48:57.000 Yeah.

01:48:57.000 He turned into the singer, rock star, robot dancing.

01:49:01.000 Yeah.

01:49:02.000 Exactly like you were saying.

01:49:04.000 One day here, MMA superstar, Muay Thai.

01:49:07.000 Well, he was MMA as well.

01:49:08.000 He was everything.

01:49:09.000 Very good grappler.

01:49:10.000 K1 MMA and all of a sudden he's doing...

01:49:13.000 Yeah.

01:49:13.000 Rockstar.

01:49:14.000 He's a character, man.

01:49:16.000 He's a man.

01:49:17.000 What can he do?

01:49:18.000 That was awesome.

01:49:20.000 He fought Butterbean in MMA. Butterbean, yeah.

01:49:24.000 The big heavyweight boxer.

01:49:25.000 He did the jumping back kick off the top rope and then got him in a heel hook, I believe.

01:49:31.000 That was nuts.

01:49:32.000 And he was outweighed by like... 1.00

01:49:34.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:49:34.000 At least 150 pounds, right? 1.00

01:49:37.000 Yeah.

01:49:37.000 Butterbean's got to be 300 pounds.

01:49:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:49:39.000 Plus.

01:49:40.000 Madness.

01:49:40.000 Pure madness.

01:49:41.000 And then I don't know how the promoter can say, they go, I got a good match.

01:49:46.000 So how do you even justify putting that on and then sitting back and going, oh, this is going to be awesome?

01:49:51.000 Well, they put on a lot of freak shows in Japan.

01:49:53.000 A lot of freak shows.

01:49:54.000 That was one of the other things that they did to attract attention.

01:49:56.000 They had guys that were fighting guys way smaller than them.

01:50:00.000 You know, like...

01:50:02.000 Oh, the Thai. 1.00

01:50:03.000 Remember the Thai kid?

01:50:05.000 Mighty Moe.

01:50:06.000 And he fought... 1.00

01:50:07.000 Fuck, what's his name? 1.00

01:50:10.000 Cal Clay. 1.00

01:50:11.000 Yes, Cal Clay.

01:50:13.000 Cal Clay did the jumping...

01:50:14.000 Round kick.

01:50:15.000 And then brought the leg back and hit him with the heel on the way down. 1.00

01:50:19.000 Yeah.

01:50:20.000 I think he was outweighed by at least...

01:50:23.000 70 kilos at least.

01:50:25.000 At least.

01:50:26.000 Mighty Mo was a bomber too.

01:50:29.000 That was like you were going to see someone get killed.

01:50:33.000 I thought Mighty Mo was going to put him into his grip.

01:50:36.000 Kalkurai would fight with his hands down too.

01:50:37.000 Almost like a Taekwondo fighter. 0.95

01:50:39.000 He was crazy.

01:50:40.000 He was fighting them regularly. 0.72

01:50:42.000 He fought Hongman Choi from Korea.

01:50:44.000 Yes, he did.

01:50:44.000 That's right.

01:50:45.000 The seven foot two blue haired monster. 0.59

01:50:47.000 And then should have beaten him too, but they wanted to create him.

01:50:51.000 They tried to build Hogman Choi up so he'd become the next K1 star.

01:50:54.000 But in theory, if you watch the fight, Kalkoi should have won that one.

01:50:58.000 A 76 kilo, 5 foot 10 Thai versus 7 foot 2 Korean beast. 0.95

01:51:05.000 And then landed a head kick too.

01:51:07.000 You see one of the photos where his legs are completely vertical.

01:51:10.000 Completely split, yeah.

01:51:12.000 What happened to K1 Max?

01:51:14.000 They had some wild fights over there.

01:51:16.000 Remember when Masato was over there?

01:51:17.000 I was on K1 for two years.

01:51:18.000 And Cool Vince Phillips came over, the former boxing champion, and fought Masato in a kickboxing fight.

01:51:24.000 He got his legs destroyed.

01:51:25.000 He fought the handsome MMA guy as well.

01:51:30.000 He fights for UFC also.

01:51:31.000 What's his name?

01:51:32.000 Can you please tell me his name?

01:51:34.000 Handsome.

01:51:36.000 Sexy Yammer. 1.00

01:51:37.000 Oh.

01:51:37.000 He fought Sexy Yammer MMA. Did he really?

01:51:40.000 Vince Phillips did?

01:51:41.000 Yeah.

01:51:42.000 Oh, how dare he.

01:51:43.000 Was it Vince?

01:51:44.000 He fought one of the boxers from America.

01:51:47.000 So he's come over and fought MMA for the first time.

01:51:51.000 And then we were catching a lift together in the hotel.

01:51:54.000 And I asked him, I said, oh, I say, what's your game plan?

01:51:56.000 Have you been doing much MMA? And he goes, no.

01:51:58.000 I'm just gonna treat it like a street fight. 1.00

01:52:00.000 I'm just gonna punch that motherfucker in the face. 1.00

01:52:03.000 And once he realizes my power, and it's like... 1.00

01:52:06.000 That always works.

01:52:07.000 Yeah, so I gave him a tap on the shoulder.

01:52:09.000 It's like, oh, good luck with that.

01:52:10.000 And then after the fight, we caught the same lift back to the room. 1.00

01:52:14.000 And those motherfucking Japanese set me up, man. 1.00

01:52:17.000 They knew damn right I had no chance in hell in that fight. 1.00

01:52:21.000 What did he think?

01:52:22.000 Did you expect? 1.00

01:52:23.000 Of course you're going to get killed. 1.00

01:52:24.000 And then the funny thing was, he was talking a whole lot of shit at the press conference. 1.00

01:52:28.000 Oh, Francois Botha. 1.00

01:52:30.000 Not Botha, no.

01:52:31.000 No, he fought Botha, though.

01:52:33.000 He submitted him, and Botha was a former boxing champion who fought K-1, right?

01:52:38.000 He came from...

01:52:40.000 He was an American boxer from, I believe it was Texas.

01:52:43.000 He fought Sexy Yama, I think it was 2005. I don't know who the fuck it was. 0.99

01:52:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:52:53.000 So anyway, he had the press conference, he was talking all this stuff.

01:52:57.000 So during the fight...

01:52:58.000 There were so many times that the American boxer was giving his arm, and then he just pushed the arm out of the way and just rained down punches more and more and more.

01:53:07.000 He wanted to punish him instead of tapping him out.

01:53:09.000 Oh, really?

01:53:10.000 It was quite crazy. 1.00

01:53:12.000 I don't know who the fuck it was. 0.99

01:53:13.000 I'm looking at his record, and I don't see anybody in there that I recognize as a... 0.99

01:53:18.000 As a boxer?

01:53:19.000 Michael Lermo?

01:53:20.000 No.

01:53:22.000 I don't know who that is.

01:53:23.000 Yeah, it was like a special... 0.77

01:53:24.000 Because it was K1 card as well, it was K1 Max card, and they threw in an MMA fight there just for shits and giggles. 0.72

01:53:30.000 Oh, okay. 0.69

01:53:30.000 K1 Max. 0.69

01:53:31.000 It was Michael Lerma.

01:53:32.000 I don't know who that dude is, though.

01:53:33.000 I don't know.

01:53:34.000 Let me Google him real quick.

01:53:35.000 Is there an American flag beside it?

01:53:37.000 Yep.

01:53:38.000 Yeah, he's a boxer.

01:53:39.000 Yep.

01:53:40.000 Visit page.

01:53:41.000 K1. Yeah, that's who it was.

01:53:43.000 That's who it was.

01:53:44.000 Iron Horse Boxing Club.

01:53:46.000 Yep, that's him. 1.00

01:53:47.000 I'm just going to kick his ass, bro. 1.00

01:53:49.000 I'm just going to kick his ass. 1.00

01:53:51.000 Yeah, that shit doesn't really work. 1.00

01:53:55.000 And then they do it all the time. 1.00

01:53:57.000 Also, they had a Japanese boxer versus Masato as well.

01:54:01.000 And the same deal as well.

01:54:02.000 He didn't learn how to check.

01:54:03.000 And Masato just went in there and just destroyed his legs.

01:54:06.000 Masato was an excellent fighter.

01:54:08.000 He was very, very good.

01:54:10.000 He was the man that every single person wanted to fight because he was the one that was rocking up to the Wayans in a Ferrari.

01:54:17.000 He was the Conor McGregor of K1. But was he talking shit? 1.00

01:54:23.000 He didn't have to. 1.00

01:54:24.000 He was actually silent.

01:54:27.000 He was like this...

01:54:28.000 You mean Conor McGregor, I mean they were stylish and he had nice clothes on, suits.

01:54:33.000 He was doing the Rolex commercials and he was driving the Ferraris and he had the hairstyle where he had the blonde tips and every single girl, every single 40,000 seat arena and all dressed pretty much.

01:54:52.000 And then the little golf clubs when they come out, just the pure excitement of just being in the same room as him.

01:54:57.000 He was a beautiful man.

01:54:58.000 He was...

01:54:59.000 He retired young too.

01:55:01.000 Yeah.

01:55:02.000 And then once he retired, K1 collapsed probably a year later.

01:55:06.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:55:06.000 Because they didn't have the star anymore.

01:55:08.000 Without one fighter, he was the pinnacle.

01:55:13.000 And I wanted to fight him, and then every single person wanted to fight him because if you beat him, that was going to launch you to the stratosphere of just becoming an overnight phenomenon.

01:55:24.000 He fought Borkau, right?

01:55:25.000 Yes, the same year that I fought Borkau.

01:55:27.000 I fought Borkau first in the first fight, and then it was Masato-Borkau final, and then Borkau...

01:55:36.000 I should have won after three.

01:55:38.000 They called it a draw.

01:55:39.000 And Masato's eyes closed.

01:55:41.000 He had a limp.

01:55:42.000 He's probably...

01:55:42.000 I think he started urinating blood the next day.

01:55:45.000 And they called it an extension.

01:55:47.000 And they said, a draw!

01:55:48.000 One more round!

01:55:49.000 And Masato's looked at Borkhouse going, oh no.

01:55:52.000 This isn't going to be good.

01:55:53.000 So then Borkow's gone out there and done the business for another three minutes.

01:55:57.000 And they've awarded the K1 Max title to Borkow.

01:56:01.000 But the next day you heard, yeah, Masato wasn't healthy.

01:56:05.000 They should have stopped it.

01:56:06.000 But because he was Japanese, they wanted...

01:56:08.000 Wow.

01:56:09.000 They want to give him a chance to win.

01:56:10.000 Yeah.

01:56:11.000 Wow.

01:56:11.000 Yeah.

01:56:11.000 That's not good.

01:56:12.000 And a guy like that, it's interesting that he never came back.

01:56:16.000 Masada ended up winning the K1 Max twice, so to his credit, he'll be undeniably the greatest Japanese...

01:56:23.000 Because in the heavyweights, they had...

01:56:27.000 What was the heavyweight champion's name?

01:56:30.000 Not champion, the heavyweight...

01:56:32.000 Musashi?

01:56:35.000 Musashi, yeah.

01:56:37.000 And he never sort of excelled to their level where Masato did.

01:56:40.000 So for Masato to win the K-1 twice against legit world killers... 0.67

01:56:46.000 Well, he was a real world championship caliber kickboxer.

01:56:50.000 He was a man.

01:56:50.000 And really probably the only Japanese that fought at that level.

01:56:53.000 I think if it wasn't for Masato, there would have been no K1 Max.

01:56:58.000 He was the kid that shined that said, yep, we need to make a 70 kilo division because this kid's going to take us all away and put us on the war stage as legitimate as a country.

01:57:09.000 But it's unique in combat sports that he decided to stay retired.

01:57:13.000 Yes.

01:57:14.000 And I wonder what that was.

01:57:16.000 It was just probably the punishment from some of those fights just got to a point where...

01:57:19.000 Yeah, money, fame.

01:57:21.000 I think you got to the stage where he'd already conquered the sport and there was nowhere for him to go anymore.

01:57:28.000 He'd already done everything and had money in the bank.

01:57:31.000 And then I think you get to the stage where you don't want to wake up at 6 in the morning anymore.

01:57:35.000 You don't want to have to put ice on your knees and your shoulders after every session.

01:57:41.000 Yeah, everybody that fights in MMA or kickboxing, there's always that one person in every sport that has that life.

01:57:50.000 Whether it's Ronda Rousey in women's MMA, you know, and then the other girls are looking at her and they, you know, they're struggling. 0.95

01:57:57.000 Or whether it's Masato or whether it's Conor McGregor, there's like this one person.

01:58:03.000 There's a few outliers that sort of figure it out.

01:58:05.000 And then Holly Holmes even came out and said, I want what Ronda has. 0.99

01:58:10.000 I wanted what Masato had.

01:58:12.000 I would love to...

01:58:14.000 Ferrari.

01:58:15.000 I remember one commercial, he's in a Ferrari, he pulls up, you see that pull up, then the door opens. 0.95

01:58:21.000 Like a spaceship, and then they focus in on his Rolex watch, and it's like, damn, and he's in a suit, and he's looking stylish, and he's got, yeah, he's got just the king. 0.74

01:58:30.000 It's like, oh, look at this guy. 0.96

01:58:31.000 This is, what a hero.

01:58:34.000 And because you're both playing the same game, it's like, how come I can't be him?

01:58:38.000 I'd love to be him.

01:58:39.000 That'd be so cool.

01:58:40.000 Did the guys in K-1, the heavyweight division K-1, did those guys make good money?

01:58:47.000 Well, they'd had an eight-man tournament once a year, and when it was at its peak, they had the Tokyo Dome, 90,000 people, and it would sell out in two hours.

01:58:57.000 And then you'd have to fight three times in approximately three hours, and the grand prize was $500,000 US. Do you know how much profit they must have made?

01:59:09.000 If you have 90,000 people in an arena, and you're selling those, you know, just think about it, even if it's only 10 bucks, that is a fuckload of money. 0.92

01:59:19.000 That is a goddamn fuckload of money, and you're only paying out 500 grand to the winner, and you have pay-per-view. 0.84

01:59:25.000 And Mr. Issue might have forgot to pay taxa for a few years in a row. 0.99

01:59:29.000 So then he had to do...

01:59:31.000 I think he believed he had to do a little bit of...

01:59:33.000 Time?

01:59:34.000 No, he got...

01:59:36.000 Home detention.

01:59:38.000 Oh, that's it?

01:59:39.000 Home detention for a few years.

01:59:41.000 Oh, that's great.

01:59:41.000 And that's when...

01:59:42.000 Get pizza delivered.

01:59:43.000 Watch TV. It's better than jail, man.

01:59:47.000 But yeah, and then the other gentleman took over K1, and that's when the sideshow started happening.

01:59:52.000 That's when the Bob Sapp started coming in, Hong Man Choi started coming in.

01:59:56.000 Oh, is that what happened?

01:59:57.000 Yes.

01:59:57.000 Oh, wow.

01:59:58.000 So Eshi had this platform where everything was 90,000 people.

02:00:02.000 And then everything was perfect.

02:00:04.000 And then it sort of started declining from that moment on.

02:00:08.000 That's too bad because in the glory days of K1, you know, back in the Ernesto Hus days and Peter Ertz and Mike Bernardo.

02:00:17.000 Those fights were so technical, so high level, so great.

02:00:21.000 Jerome LeBanner.

02:00:23.000 I mean, oh my God.

02:00:24.000 We had Sam Greco that was fighting for Australia.

02:00:27.000 He was the Australian hero.

02:00:29.000 Yeah.

02:00:29.000 And then, yeah.

02:00:31.000 Sammy Schiltz.

02:00:32.000 Yes.

02:00:33.000 Oh, well, this is before the Schiltz era.

02:00:34.000 Yeah, it was before, right?

02:00:35.000 Yeah, this is the golden era.

02:00:37.000 Maury Smith.

02:00:38.000 And then just seeing to be those eight guys that would just keep knocking each other out year after year after year for about 10 years in a row.

02:00:44.000 And as a teenager, There was just the, someone would get a VHS of the latest Grand Prix, and then you'd sit there and you'd watch it, and it'd be so, yeah, you couldn't move.

02:00:55.000 Yeah, all the boys would sit around with the popcorn.

02:00:57.000 Remember Andy Hoog?

02:00:58.000 Andy Hoog was an undersized guy.

02:01:00.000 Andy Hoog, remember those days?

02:01:02.000 Yeah, the spinning heel kicks to the thighs. 0.99

02:01:05.000 Yeah, wheel kick to the thigh. 0.99

02:01:07.000 Yes.

02:01:07.000 Nobody was doing that, man.

02:01:08.000 No one was doing that.

02:01:09.000 Yeah.

02:01:10.000 Well, he was a Kyokushin, right? 1.00

02:01:11.000 He was Kokushin, yes.

02:01:13.000 Same as Sam Greco.

02:01:14.000 He threw a lot of wild kicks.

02:01:15.000 Sammy Schilt, Sam Greco, Andy Hug, they all had that Kokushin mentality of walk forward, throw leg kicks. 1.00

02:01:25.000 But Andy Hug was only like 5'10 or something like that, right?

02:01:28.000 He wasn't a big guy and he had to put on a lot of muscle in order to fight those heavyweights.

02:01:33.000 Very undersized when you see him fight a lot of those guys in that division.

02:01:39.000 Today, I'd knock you out, and then a month later, I'd knock them out.

02:01:42.000 How crazy is that?

02:01:43.000 They fought like that.

02:01:45.000 Everyone would fight each other six, seven, eight times, and it'd be a 50-50 split.

02:01:49.000 Who was ever on that day was going to win.

02:01:51.000 And whoever didn't get knocked out in training, who got knocked out the furthest amount of time from that tournament?

02:01:59.000 Yes.

02:01:59.000 Because those guys were destroying their chins.

02:02:01.000 Yes, yes.

02:02:02.000 If you think about it, I mean, how could you get knocked out and then get knocked out again a month later? 0.99

02:02:06.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.98

02:02:07.000 The Mark Hunts. 0.99

02:02:08.000 Remember Mark Hunts?

02:02:09.000 Back when he was, him and Ray Sefu, standing toe-to-toe, dropping their hands, taking pot shots at each other's chin, and just standing there and smiling.

02:02:18.000 And then another rally, it was, yeah, that's the sort of stuff that made legends.

02:02:22.000 And that was when Mirko, Mirko Krokop first started fighting K1. He was so skinny.

02:02:26.000 Yes.

02:02:26.000 Remember how thin he was?

02:02:27.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:02:28.000 I guess he wasn't lifting weights or anything back then, maybe.

02:02:31.000 Or just wasn't as much.

02:02:33.000 He had to put on weight as well.

02:02:36.000 Jerome LaBanna was always the bridesmaid.

02:02:39.000 Always doing the business.

02:02:40.000 And then when it always came to the eight-man, he'd never quite successfully get close.

02:02:46.000 You remember when he almost won, but he broke his arm against Hoost?

02:02:52.000 Shattered his forearm?

02:02:54.000 Yep. 1.00

02:02:54.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

02:02:55.000 Those were some amazing, amazing fights. 1.00

02:02:57.000 And again, that's something that a lot of Americans just never experienced.

02:03:01.000 It didn't air over here.

02:03:03.000 Before the UFC era came, that was the pinnacle.

02:03:06.000 That was combat sports, pretty much.

02:03:09.000 It was before the UFC, because it was before Pride.

02:03:12.000 It was before the UFC. That was the big martial arts event, was the K-1 Grand Prix.

02:03:18.000 Yes. 0.98

02:03:19.000 When you'd win, you'd get that big trophy, and the fucking confetti would come from the sky, and the giant check. 1.00

02:03:24.000 You remember that shit? 1.00

02:03:26.000 Remember the giant cheques? 1.00

02:03:27.000 Yes.

02:03:28.000 Where'd the giant cheques go?

02:03:29.000 I got a giant cheque.

02:03:30.000 I would like to see a giant cheque come back.

02:03:32.000 I got a million baht giant cheque.

02:03:34.000 Oh, wow.

02:03:34.000 From my gym, what I'm quite proud of.

02:03:36.000 From Thailand?

02:03:37.000 From Thailand.

02:03:38.000 Wow.

02:03:38.000 A million baht.

02:03:39.000 Looks good.

02:03:40.000 Yeah, it looks good.

02:03:40.000 All those zeros.

02:03:41.000 Someone says, how much is it?

02:03:42.000 Nah, don't ask.

02:03:43.000 That doesn't matter.

02:03:44.000 It's not about money.

02:03:45.000 Look at all those zeros.

02:03:46.000 Who cares how much it's worth?

02:03:47.000 And it's in Thai, so who cares? 1.00

02:03:49.000 You're missing the point, son.

02:03:50.000 It's not about money.

02:03:52.000 It's about giant cheques.

02:03:54.000 Yeah, K1 was cool.

02:03:57.000 But you think of K1 only paying out 500 grand to the winner.

02:04:01.000 Yes. 1.00

02:04:02.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

02:04:03.000 That's a lot of money they're making at 90,000 seats. 1.00

02:04:06.000 Yes.

02:04:07.000 So, I don't know.

02:04:10.000 What's 90,000 times 10?

02:04:12.000 Is that 9 million?

02:04:13.000 90 million?

02:04:14.000 900,000.

02:04:15.000 No, no, no.

02:04:16.000 Just add a zero.

02:04:17.000 Oh, right.

02:04:18.000 Okay.

02:04:18.000 So, it's more than 10 for the gate, though.

02:04:21.000 Like, what's the gate?

02:04:22.000 It's usually, I don't know, probably $20, $30, $40 a ticket, plus concessions and parking and all that extra stuff.

02:04:27.000 Right, so $90,000 times $10 is only $900,000, but it's way more than $10 a ticket, right?

02:04:33.000 It's probably $100, which is a $9 million gate.

02:04:37.000 But then ringside is probably way more than $100.

02:04:39.000 Like ringside at a UFC could be as much as...

02:04:42.000 Like, 500 bucks, maybe even more, right?

02:04:44.000 Oh, for sure.

02:04:45.000 Like, a big boxing match, I know that...

02:04:47.000 Well, a lot of it's like scalpers, too, right?

02:04:49.000 You never know.

02:04:49.000 Well, MGM, I paid...

02:04:51.000 To watch George St. Peter vs.

02:04:53.000 Hendrix, I paid $500, and I was up in the bleachers.

02:04:56.000 My nose actually bled.

02:04:59.000 That's how high up I was.

02:05:00.000 Your nose actually bled?

02:05:01.000 Yeah.

02:05:02.000 I have a feeling that was because you probably got punched in that nose fairly recently.

02:05:06.000 I bet if my nose was up there, it wouldn't have bled.

02:05:08.000 The oxygen levels were so low that I started getting dizzy. 0.88

02:05:12.000 That's ridiculous.

02:05:13.000 I had to duck under a plane. 0.98

02:05:15.000 The nosebleed. 0.99

02:05:15.000 Who the fuck gets a nosebleed on a mountain? 0.99

02:05:17.000 Is that shit real? 1.00

02:05:18.000 Do you get nosebleeds when you go to a mountain? 1.00

02:05:21.000 I don't get nosebleeds.

02:05:22.000 You get a nosebleed on a plane?

02:05:23.000 No.

02:05:26.000 Pressure.

02:05:27.000 Right.

02:05:27.000 Cabin.

02:05:28.000 That makes sense.

02:05:29.000 But I've never heard anybody get a nosebleed in the nosebleeds.

02:05:32.000 When you jump out of a plane, you don't get nosebleeds.

02:05:34.000 Really?

02:05:35.000 When you parachute.

02:05:36.000 Maybe you, bro.

02:05:37.000 Not me, bro.

02:05:40.000 Well, you didn't know me then, man.

02:05:41.000 I would have hooked you up with better seats. 0.98

02:05:43.000 That's ridiculous. 0.85

02:05:44.000 See, that was such an important fight. 0.90

02:05:45.000 You want to be close.

02:05:46.000 Well, I think I told you last time the lady bought me my ticket for free to go and be part of the...

02:05:51.000 Because I wasn't going to go at all.

02:05:52.000 Yeah, the lady bought my ticket. 1.00

02:05:54.000 But then I bought the ticket to watch the fight.

02:05:57.000 But anyway, it was...

02:05:59.000 Fights are so interesting live because you get this energy from being there in that arena.

02:06:04.000 You can't reproduce it watching it at home.

02:06:06.000 I don't think people that see it at home will ever truly know what it's like to see a live fight.

02:06:12.000 Also, there's something that gets...

02:06:14.000 I remember the first time I went to see a boxing match, I remember thinking, oh, there's no commentary.

02:06:19.000 This is weird. 0.67

02:06:20.000 There's something that sterilizes it a little bit about hearing Jim Lampley hear ABC Wide World of Sports or whatever the fuck it was back in the day when I was... 0.90

02:06:28.000 Watching boxing.

02:06:30.000 And then to go see a boxing match live, you're like, oh, there's no one talking.

02:06:33.000 You know, you're just hearing, thump, thump, thump, thump, bang!

02:06:36.000 You know, you're seeing someone, like I was there when Mickey Rourke, Mickey Rourke, Mickey Rourke?

02:06:41.000 Mickey Ward, rather.

02:06:43.000 Confusing people.

02:06:44.000 Mickey Ward was coming up in Lowell, Massachusetts before he ever had those crazy fights, a series of fights with Arturo Gatti.

02:06:51.000 I saw him fight when he was a really young professional and we saw him fight in Lowell.

02:06:56.000 Me and my buddy Jimmy Lawless went to see him fight live.

02:06:59.000 It was just being there in a small arena with a local hometown guy and see a local boxing match and hear the slap of leather on faces and bodies.

02:07:11.000 It's such a different experience than watching it on television, which is so much more...

02:07:16.000 It seems like it's not really happening.

02:07:19.000 Even if it's happening, even if it's brutal, you're not there, you know?

02:07:23.000 Same with our local promotion that I'm doing now with my wife, with the CMT. CMT meaning Caged Muay Thai.

02:07:32.000 So you actually feel the fight while you're in the room.

02:07:37.000 Not only watching it, but you're flinching as someone gets hit.

02:07:42.000 Your hairs are up on your body and back of your neck.

02:07:46.000 You've got goosebumps.

02:07:47.000 You can't not look away from the cage because at any given second someone's going to get knocked out.

02:08:07.000 The Thai oil?

02:08:09.000 Yeah.

02:08:11.000 Liniment. 1.00

02:08:12.000 Yeah, what does that shit do? 1.00

02:08:13.000 Does that shit do anything? 1.00

02:08:14.000 Yeah, it warms you up. 1.00

02:08:15.000 It's nice and warm, so you massage it into the skin so that you're nice and loose.

02:08:18.000 So when you're shadowboxing, your body's on fire.

02:08:20.000 So you feel, instead of skipping for 10 minutes, you put the tire oil on, you rub it in, and then you're already warm. 0.98

02:08:27.000 My friend who's a doctor told me, listen, man, if that shit did anything, it would get into your muscles itself and you'd be poisoned. 0.99

02:08:32.000 Really? 0.99

02:08:33.000 I go, really?

02:08:34.000 He goes, yeah, it's called a topical analgesic.

02:08:36.000 It heats up your skin.

02:08:36.000 It doesn't do a damn thing.

02:08:37.000 I go, really? 0.83

02:08:39.000 If you've got a light sweat and you put that stuff on, you're on fire.

02:08:44.000 You're going to try and put yourself under a hose and try and put yourself off.

02:08:47.000 But let me ask you this.

02:08:47.000 If that's the case, how can you put that stuff on your skin and then you're clenching?

02:08:51.000 And if you're clenching, that stuff can get in someone's eyes, no?

02:08:54.000 No.

02:08:56.000 Maybe.

02:08:57.000 It does.

02:08:58.000 Yeah, it does.

02:08:59.000 But you're massaging in 15 minutes before you walk out. 0.97

02:09:02.000 Right, but then if you're grabbing and you're fighting for the plum, right, and you've got that shit on your forearms, and this guy's turning away, and it gets in his eyes, does that happen to you? 0.96

02:09:12.000 By the time you get onto the ring, it's absorbed. 0.89

02:09:16.000 I don't know about all that.

02:09:17.000 that's why you can't use in the ufc ufc in the early days man dudes which is grease yeah and we can put vaseline all over our bodies well between the the liniment and the vaseline all over so yeah you come out and you and you're shining and you're glossy and yeah oh yeah we're catching the kicks and you can pull out of the catches oh right the only thing is if you're the last fight of the night so if you um teep someone in the stomach and then you put your foot on the canvas You get oil on the canvas.

02:09:44.000 By the time you're in the last fight, the canvas is just an ice skating rink.

02:09:47.000 It's terrible.

02:09:48.000 And then if you've got logos on the canvas as well, between the Vaseline and the stickers, it's a complete nightmare.

02:09:56.000 That was a nightmare in MMA for a while, that they would have all these ads on the Octagon.

02:10:01.000 And they would spray these ads down with spray paint, essentially, or like an iron-on.

02:10:08.000 And it wouldn't absorb like canvas.

02:10:11.000 For people who don't know, canvas, when you get it wet, actually you get more traction.

02:10:17.000 It's actually kind of nice, which is why when you watch MMA fights, sometimes you see guys pour water on the ground and then they'll move their feet on the water because maybe their skin is dry and they want to get their skin nice and moist and it actually gives you like a little traction.

02:10:29.000 A dry canvas sometimes can be slippery, especially a fresh canvas. 0.99

02:10:33.000 But those fucking logos are the worst. 1.00

02:10:36.000 Those things are terrible. 1.00

02:10:38.000 If they're stickers, they're not painted on.

02:10:39.000 Yes, if they're stickers, that vinyl, because it doesn't absorb any moisture.

02:10:43.000 So the moisture sits on, if you step on it, whoop!

02:10:45.000 And then you're scared to throw a kick.

02:10:47.000 So for a kicker who doesn't want to go to the ground, oh, it's a nightmare.

02:10:51.000 It's a mess.

02:10:52.000 Then one of your biggest weapons has been removed.

02:10:54.000 Yeah, it's good if you've got a lazy eye because then you can watch one canvas and then watch your opponent the same thing.

02:11:01.000 He's joking.

02:11:02.000 You can't do that if you have a lazy eye, right?

02:11:04.000 Do you have to pick which eye you look through?

02:11:06.000 I used to have a girlfriend that had a lazy eye. 1.00

02:11:08.000 Oh, how dare you.

02:11:09.000 A joke's coming.

02:11:10.000 I had to get rid of her because she was seeing other people. 1.00

02:11:15.000 I knew that joke and you fucking got me with it anyway, you son of a bitch. 1.00

02:11:19.000 How dare you? 1.00

02:11:21.000 How dare you?

02:11:22.000 I knew that one coming.

02:11:23.000 I knew that joke, but first of all, I knew a joke was coming because you had a, here's a joke coming look in your face.

02:11:30.000 And I heard that one, but I forgot it. 1.00

02:11:32.000 Fucking marijuana. 1.00

02:11:34.000 That's what it is. 1.00

02:11:35.000 I forgot.

02:11:35.000 Long-term memory.

02:11:37.000 Got me. 1.00

02:11:37.000 Damn. 1.00

02:11:39.000 So I've got to try and keep my brain intact so I can try and be funny like you. 0.99

02:11:44.000 That's why I want another thing on longevity in this sport.

02:11:47.000 Well, your brain is amazingly intact for 120 fights.

02:11:50.000 That's incredible.

02:11:50.000 If you tell most people, what's a guy going to be like, 39 years old, he has 120 fights.

02:11:54.000 Oh, a fucking guy can't even wipe his own ass. 1.00

02:11:55.000 He's got to hire people to do that. 1.00

02:11:57.000 Look at you.

02:11:57.000 You're fine.

02:11:58.000 Yeah.

02:11:59.000 But do you think that that is just because of all that sparring as well, that very technical, what we call playing, where you're just tapping each other, not hard, you know, Ramon Decker, Dutch-style fighting in the gym every day,

02:12:17.000 but instead just working on technique?

02:12:19.000 Well, I've heard different theories with boxers, for instance.

02:12:23.000 Boxers will spar for twice a week, three times a week, leading up to a fight for 10 weeks.

02:12:28.000 And then their brain damage is caused from the sparring.

02:12:32.000 Not the actual fight, but the actual preparation.

02:12:34.000 And then times that by 30, 40 fights.

02:12:36.000 Well, how many fighters have more than 40 fights in boxing?

02:12:39.000 So, I don't know.

02:12:42.000 I've been hit with a lot of hard shots where a lot of people say, how come a normal person will be knocked out and you didn't?

02:12:47.000 I guess it's just luck.

02:12:49.000 I have nothing but...

02:12:50.000 Lochte, you have a good chin.

02:12:51.000 Yeah, lucky that it's not gone yet.

02:12:56.000 Yeah, a good chin is really for, you know...

02:13:00.000 Cosmo whacked me hard.

02:13:01.000 Oh, he certainly did.

02:13:02.000 He didn't miss.

02:13:03.000 He got me multiple times.

02:13:04.000 That flying knee, man.

02:13:05.000 That one flying knee, was that the second round that he caught you with that?

02:13:08.000 I don't remember what round it was.

02:13:10.000 Second or third round, he hit you with a flying knee, but...

02:13:13.000 You know, never had you hurt, never had you down, never had you wobbly.

02:13:17.000 Yeah, the cuts hurt, but at the same time, there wasn't one point in the fight where I thought, oh, I can't go on.

02:13:23.000 It's like, no, no, every time he hit me hard, I was more so, I've got to get it back.

02:13:27.000 There's a difference between the phrase, had you hurt, and something hurt.

02:13:33.000 People listen to that and they go, well, of course he got hurt.

02:13:36.000 He got hit.

02:13:37.000 He already said he had all these stitches.

02:13:39.000 When someone says in the fighting world he was hurt, it means his body's not functioning right.

02:13:45.000 Like you got whacked and all of a sudden you see your legs go rubber or you see a guy cover up maybe to a liver shot and you realize he's hurt.

02:13:52.000 He's hurt.

02:13:52.000 I was never winded or never at a point where I thought, oh, if I get hit one more time, I'm going to get down.

02:13:58.000 There was no point whatsoever during the fight.

02:13:59.000 I was getting hit, but at the same time, there was never another moment where I thought, I can't not win this fight until the bell rang, and then it's like, okay, now I'm out of time. 0.99

02:14:09.000 When you watched the fight in the replay, did that fourth round incident where you cracked him with that punch and you started cleaning his feet, did that drive you fucking nuts? 0.98

02:14:15.000 No, I haven't watched the fight yet. 0.98

02:14:17.000 I'm so disappointed in myself.

02:14:19.000 You're going to be very angry when you watch that fourth round.

02:14:24.000 Build the courage up to watch it because I'm still trying to get over it.

02:14:29.000 It's heartbreaking when you lose, man. 1.00

02:14:31.000 It sucks. 0.96

02:14:31.000 I can only imagine you preparing like that. 0.96

02:14:34.000 You've invested that 10 weeks and then all you want...

02:14:36.000 I can taste it.

02:14:38.000 I want it.

02:14:38.000 I can feel the belt around my waist.

02:14:41.000 I want to...

02:14:42.000 And then when the decision comes and they raise the opposition's hand, it's just so heartbreaking.

02:14:48.000 And then look at people's faces that believed in you as well.

02:14:52.000 Like Hans, he came on board with Monster just before this fight came up.

02:14:56.000 So yeah, again, I've got to thank them for coming on board as well.

02:14:59.000 Monster Energy drinks.

02:15:00.000 Yeah, Monster.

02:15:01.000 For them to sponsor a Muay Thai guy.

02:15:02.000 It's great.

02:15:03.000 I want to win.

02:15:05.000 For them to be proud to have their logo on my shorts. 0.99

02:15:08.000 And then when you lose, I've got to look at Hans in the face and think, fuck man, I'm... 1.00

02:15:12.000 I'm sorry I let you down. 1.00

02:15:13.000 Oh, listen, man.

02:15:14.000 You didn't let anybody down.

02:15:15.000 You fought a great fight against a world-class fighter. 1.00

02:15:18.000 I mean, Cosmo Alexander is a bad motherfucker. 0.99

02:15:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:21.000 You fought a great fight.

02:15:22.000 But you know what I mean?

02:15:23.000 It's so many people.

02:15:25.000 It is what it is.

02:15:26.000 And then my little girl, she's 12 years old.

02:15:28.000 She's sitting in front row.

02:15:29.000 And then my wife said, oh, yeah, she was in tears because she used to see dad winning.

02:15:35.000 So not only did he lose, but he's cut up and he's limping and he's broken. 0.94

02:15:40.000 It sucks.

02:15:42.000 But it doesn't diminish your enthusiasm for wanting to compete. 0.98

02:15:48.000 Yeah, I can't wait.

02:15:49.000 I'm fighting Soros on the 5th of December.

02:15:51.000 So once my foot's sealed, I'll get back to Australia.

02:15:54.000 I'll get back on the roads, get back on the pads.

02:15:55.000 And now I'm more determined to make up for this loss.

02:15:57.000 I want to make sure that I'm not only going to beat Soros, but I have to go out there and destroy him to get back my credibility as one of the top guys. 0.73

02:16:06.000 Are you still fighting that black dynamite dude? 1.00

02:16:09.000 Yes, Soros. 0.65

02:16:10.000 That's his name.

02:16:11.000 Soros. 0.78

02:16:12.000 What is his full name?

02:16:13.000 Soros, Washington.

02:16:14.000 Soros. 0.78

02:16:14.000 Cyrus. 0.78

02:16:15.000 Yeah, Cyrus.

02:16:15.000 Cyrus.

02:16:16.000 Okay, that's where I got confused.

02:16:17.000 You were saying Soros.

02:16:18.000 I was saying S-O-R-O-S. Yeah. 1.00

02:16:21.000 I was like, who the fuck is that? 1.00

02:16:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:16:23.000 But Cyrus, it's a goddamn Australian accent. 1.00

02:16:26.000 Cyrus, Washington. 1.00

02:16:28.000 He's a wild dude.

02:16:29.000 Who has the accent?

02:16:30.000 If you were in my country, you'd have the accent. 0.84

02:16:32.000 Good point.

02:16:34.000 I'll be in your country soon.

02:16:36.000 I'll be in your country next month.

02:16:38.000 Cyrus.

02:16:40.000 In the cage.

02:16:41.000 MMA gloves.

02:16:42.000 Muay Thai rules. 0.66

02:16:43.000 That's a different world. 1.00

02:16:44.000 But he's a killer too. 1.00

02:16:45.000 He's another killer. 0.99

02:16:47.000 He's exactly like the gentleman you're saying from Glory with the Daniel with the spinning kicks and the hook kicks and the crazy style. 0.63

02:16:54.000 But he's more adapted to Muay Thai than Cyrus has.

02:16:58.000 He's a wild guy to watch, man. 1.00

02:17:00.000 He does a lot of crazy shit. 1.00

02:17:01.000 A lot of spinning back kicks, the body, wheel kicks. 1.00

02:17:03.000 I put up a highlight reel of his on Facebook the other day and the amount of people that watch that.

02:17:08.000 I'm just like, what are you doing fighting this guy for?

02:17:10.000 Because he's good.

02:17:11.000 Why do I want to fight him?

02:17:13.000 Because he's awesome.

02:17:14.000 He's going to bring such an entertaining fight for the Australian crowd that they're going to be crazy if they don't come along and watch it because it's going to be madness.

02:17:22.000 Yeah, he's an interesting guy.

02:17:24.000 And he's a black belt in Taekwondo as well as being very proficient at Muay Thai at a world-class level.

02:17:31.000 And combining those two things together is very interesting.

02:17:34.000 He's doing the bare knuckle boxing there now as well.

02:17:37.000 He's fighting with headbutts.

02:17:38.000 Bare knuckle boxing with headbutts.

02:17:40.000 Where's he doing that?

02:17:42.000 Either Cambodia or Burma. 0.92

02:17:46.000 Jesus Christ.

02:17:46.000 What happens when you get hurt and you gotta go to the hospital in Cambodia?

02:17:50.000 They just give you your own chicken.

02:17:52.000 Here, do your own voodoo. 0.99

02:17:54.000 They give you a ball of yarn and a fish hook. 1.00

02:17:58.000 Stitch yourself together, bitch. 1.00

02:17:59.000 We're done. 1.00

02:18:00.000 Oh, fuck, man. 1.00

02:18:02.000 Yeah, so hopefully he doesn't have his natural instinct to try and headbutt me in the clinch. 1.00

02:18:06.000 Yeah, no kidding, right?

02:18:08.000 But how many fights does he do like that?

02:18:10.000 From his Facebook record that I shared when the match first got made, he was like 70 with 50 wins, 47 knockouts.

02:18:23.000 Jesus Christ.

02:18:24.000 But I believe he's had a few more fights than that.

02:18:26.000 He said, oh, that's actually my older record.

02:18:28.000 It's actually this now.

02:18:29.000 But when I got off his Facebook and then people were going, what?

02:18:32.000 You're 39. You're not in your prime anymore.

02:18:35.000 Why would you fight someone so dangerous for us?

02:18:37.000 Because I want to give the Australian public and the fans fights that you're going to not want to miss.

02:18:44.000 When people say that you're not in your prime though, you still fight like you're in your prime.

02:18:49.000 I feel like I'm in my prime.

02:18:49.000 You're not fighting like when I watched you fight, I'm watching you fight Cosmo, who's a big, strong guy, and you're not fighting like a guy who's over the hill.

02:18:59.000 You're fighting like a cautious, smart veteran who's facing a very dangerous, fast guy.

02:19:05.000 And you fought very well.

02:19:06.000 It wasn't like a fight like, oh man, this guy's lost a step.

02:19:10.000 It wasn't like that, man.

02:19:11.000 I'm an honest dude.

02:19:13.000 If I see someone losing a step, it makes me very concerned.

02:19:16.000 Because that trying to pretend that that didn't happen is super dangerous.

02:19:21.000 I don't see that with you.

02:19:22.000 The only time that I feel old is when someone asks me.

02:19:24.000 Because in the gym, I feel like I'm still 25, but when someone says, how old are you? 1.00

02:19:29.000 And then when I hear the word, leave my lips, and I say 39, it's like, fuck. 0.99

02:19:33.000 Do you attribute that to consistency? 1.00

02:19:35.000 Or, I mean, you're very clean with your diet?

02:19:37.000 Like, what is it?

02:19:38.000 Ah, brr.

02:19:39.000 I don't know.

02:19:41.000 What's your diet like?

02:19:43.000 It's okay. 1.00

02:19:44.000 My wife's half Mexican-American, so she cooks me a lot of tacos and shit. 1.00

02:19:49.000 Lots of tacos. 0.99

02:19:51.000 Lots of Thai food, lots of Asian, lots of Japanese.

02:19:55.000 Do you avoid anything?

02:19:56.000 Do you avoid sugar or alcohol?

02:20:00.000 Opium?

02:20:01.000 Heroin?

02:20:01.000 Those are bad things.

02:20:02.000 Do you try to stay away from those?

02:20:03.000 That's good to stay away from.

02:20:04.000 Especially right before a fight.

02:20:07.000 Try.

02:20:08.000 I try.

02:20:09.000 Well, they're very compelling.

02:20:11.000 I hear.

02:20:11.000 No, but no evidence.

02:20:13.000 I eat hamburgers.

02:20:14.000 I can't say that I'm a saint.

02:20:16.000 I'm definitely...

02:20:17.000 But I don't drink.

02:20:18.000 I'm lucky to have five beers a year.

02:20:21.000 So I stay off the alcohol.

02:20:22.000 That'll help.

02:20:22.000 That'll help a lot.

02:20:23.000 That adds longevity.

02:20:25.000 Do you get hopeful when you see a guy like Bernard Hopkins?

02:20:29.000 Yes. 0.99

02:20:30.000 Fucking 50 years old. 1.00

02:20:30.000 Yes, I do. 1.00

02:20:31.000 He's probably that guy.

02:20:33.000 And then also, like you were saying before, Randy Couture, he's also a gentleman that's proving that you can still fight with the guys that are in their late 20s, early 30s.

02:20:46.000 Yeah, he won at a world championship level deep into his 40s.

02:20:50.000 Yeah, and then, again, another gentleman that can put a conversation together that's had all these fights.

02:20:55.000 And Bernard Hopkins, again, it's just...

02:20:59.000 Randy is completely lucid.

02:21:01.000 When you're talking to him, he's articulate, he's a gentleman.

02:21:04.000 Entrepreneur. 0.68

02:21:05.000 He's not silly.

02:21:06.000 He's making money from different avenues.

02:21:09.000 I saw him hitting the pads the other day.

02:21:10.000 He was working out with Jay Glazer, the guy who does the NFL for Fox.

02:21:15.000 Jay was holding the pads for him and Randy was hitting him. 0.99

02:21:17.000 I was like, I wonder what the fuck he's doing. 0.99

02:21:19.000 I wonder if he sees Fedor and he's like, you know, listen, man, I'll fucking take that one big fight. 1.00

02:21:25.000 Because, shit, he could probably make a shitload of money. 1.00

02:21:27.000 Even Shane Mosley, Shane Mosley. 1.00

02:21:30.000 But Randy might still be under contract.

02:21:32.000 He might still have some UFC contract thing going on.

02:21:36.000 Didn't Dana expelling from UFC where he's not allowed to enter the arenas anymore or something?

02:21:42.000 I don't know.

02:21:45.000 That's sad to me.

02:21:46.000 How do you do that? 0.97

02:21:47.000 That guy can do whatever the fuck he wants if I'm running the UFC. You're Randy Couture. 0.97

02:21:50.000 Go fight your mom. 1.00

02:21:52.000 I don't give a shit. 1.00

02:21:53.000 You always get ringside seats. 0.99

02:21:56.000 That's Captain America.

02:21:58.000 I don't know.

02:21:59.000 But if he did come back, it would be weird.

02:22:02.000 Because he's been off for a long time.

02:22:04.000 And the last time he fought, I believe, was in Toronto at the Rogers Arena.

02:22:09.000 And he got jumping front kicked in the face by Lyoto Machida.

02:22:12.000 And he got knocked out.

02:22:13.000 Machida.

02:22:14.000 That was the famous Steven Seagal.

02:22:16.000 That was the first time that anyone has ever won by a front kick to the face since Steven Seagal invented it.

02:22:22.000 Well, jumping front kick to the face. 0.86

02:22:24.000 Jumping front kick.

02:22:25.000 Anderson had won by a front kick to the face before when he fought Vitor.

02:22:29.000 I apologize.

02:22:29.000 That was the Steven as a girl.

02:22:31.000 Have you ever tried a jumping front kick to the face in a Muay Thai fight?

02:22:35.000 Jumping front kick?

02:22:36.000 No, but I landed a front...

02:22:38.000 I used to try and land one front kick to the face every fight as a trademark thing back when I was in my early...

02:22:45.000 Really?

02:22:46.000 Yeah, that was my thing to try and land one.

02:22:48.000 Actually, my wife, she was known as... 0.61

02:22:52.000 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

02:22:55.000 What is it?

02:22:58.000 So her Thai name translated was the beautiful front kick face.

02:23:04.000 The beautiful front kick face.

02:23:09.000 I bet it sounds cooler in Thai.

02:23:12.000 How do you say it in Thai?

02:23:19.000 So much better than beautiful front kick facer.

02:23:25.000 And then she broke a couple of girls' noses with the heel striking to the nose. 1.00

02:23:30.000 And yeah, she's awesome. 0.98

02:23:33.000 My wife's really amazing when it comes to fighting. 1.00

02:23:35.000 It's interesting because the ties use the teep to the face, almost like the flat part of the foot more, and almost like a push kick.

02:23:43.000 Yes.

02:23:43.000 You know, like to push you back.

02:23:44.000 Very rarely would you see someone getting actually knocked out.

02:23:47.000 You can see their head get snapped, but you wouldn't see them actually getting knocked out.

02:23:50.000 Yeah, they don't throw it like a karate-style front kick.

02:23:53.000 Like a semi-short always used to throw it to the body.

02:23:56.000 He would throw it like a thrust kick, a different style of kicking.

02:24:01.000 I wonder why the Thais never threw it like that, because obviously when you watch Anderson vs.

02:24:05.000 Vitor, it's the same kick, it's just done with a slightly different style, and it's very effective.

02:24:11.000 Yeah, it was weird.

02:24:12.000 It was nuts. 0.86

02:24:13.000 And then for Machida to replicate that same kick not long later, it was like, damn, these things are pretty cool. 0.99

02:24:20.000 And never see it again.

02:24:21.000 I mean, you see guys attempt it, but there's not been a single knockout.

02:24:24.000 And Justin Buchholz got a knockout, I think, in Ring of Fire.

02:24:28.000 I think that's where he fought, which is Sven Beans organization in Colorado.

02:24:34.000 I think that's where Justin...

02:24:35.000 He's one of the alpha male...

02:24:38.000 Uriah Faber's camp, one of the trainers there, one of the fighters.

02:24:41.000 I think he's a fight this weekend.

02:24:42.000 He might have fought this weekend.

02:24:44.000 But you very rarely see guys knock guys out with it these days.

02:24:49.000 It was those two fights, Justin's fight, and I can't remember another knockout since in the UFC. People try it.

02:24:57.000 But it hasn't been utilized as effectively.

02:25:02.000 What do you got there for me?

02:25:02.000 There we go.

02:25:04.000 There you are.

02:25:05.000 John Wayne Parr, Cosmo Alexander.

02:25:08.000 Bam. 0.97

02:25:08.000 T. Front kick to the face. 0.97

02:25:10.000 Hey! 0.99

02:25:11.000 What is that?

02:25:12.000 That thing that they always do when people throw kicks?

02:25:15.000 In Australia, we call that a high five to the face with your foot.

02:25:21.000 Oh, okay.

02:25:22.000 That's a little awkward.

02:25:24.000 You should try to make something a little more eloquent.

02:25:26.000 Come on with a better name.

02:25:28.000 Monster must like that, though.

02:25:29.000 You highlighted the M on your shorts.

02:25:31.000 It's perfect.

02:25:32.000 That's a perfect picture for the wall, right?

02:25:37.000 Quite happy that Cosmo was kind enough to stand there for me for the photo shoot to let me execute the phone kick to that one.

02:25:43.000 Very nice of him.

02:25:44.000 What a gentleman he is.

02:25:45.000 What a gentleman he is.

02:25:46.000 I'll have to upload one to Instagram later on, so everyone can check it out.

02:25:49.000 So your fight for cage Muay Thai, you guys are using the small gloves.

02:25:54.000 Yes.

02:25:54.000 And using the Muay Thai gloves.

02:25:56.000 Are you the only organization that has full striking with Muay Thai rules, but with...

02:26:03.000 MMA gloves?

02:26:04.000 I believe so.

02:26:05.000 And then a gentleman, Martin Hogan in Ireland.

02:26:10.000 He's seen my promotion, then he's started it as well.

02:26:14.000 And then he's done three shows so far in Ireland.

02:26:17.000 And his last show, Conor McGregor and...

02:26:20.000 What's the other gentleman from Iceland that fights?

02:26:24.000 Gunnar Nelson?

02:26:25.000 Gunnar.

02:26:25.000 Gunnar was there as well.

02:26:26.000 And they were both in the crowd.

02:26:27.000 And I think they were both blown away by the adrenaline of the cage because it's so exciting and it's so fast and there's no ground.

02:26:34.000 And then if there's no action on the fence, within five seconds it's broken up.

02:26:38.000 So it's just continuous violence.

02:26:42.000 Do you like the breaking it up, though, with the clinch?

02:26:44.000 Because in Muay Thai, you know, in real Muay Thai, they don't break it up.

02:26:47.000 If there's no action.

02:26:48.000 So if you're throwing knees and it becomes a stalemate within two or three seconds, if there's no action, they break it straight away.

02:26:54.000 Only if there's no action.

02:26:56.000 Whereas in MMA, you can press someone against the fence and hold, hold, hold.

02:27:00.000 Well, the UFC usually will stop it and separate you. 0.97

02:27:04.000 Eventually.

02:27:05.000 I honestly believe that, especially in MMA, since grappling is such an integral part of mixed martial arts, I don't think they should ever break things up. 0.98

02:27:12.000 I think if a guy's got you down and he's just holding you down, that's tough shit. 0.79

02:27:16.000 You've got to figure out how to get up. 0.97

02:27:18.000 I don't think it should score very well for the guy on top, but I don't believe in stand-ups because I feel like...

02:27:24.000 Especially for a striker, right?

02:27:26.000 You have five minutes and every round starts standing up.

02:27:30.000 Every round starts with your advantage.

02:27:32.000 No round starts on the ground.

02:27:33.000 You never start where like, okay, this round, John, you're on top.

02:27:37.000 You know, you start on top because he was like, no, but every round starts standing up.

02:27:41.000 And that's the advantage of the striker.

02:27:43.000 The grappler has to figure out how to get a hold of him, how to get him to the ground.

02:27:46.000 I think once you've done that, it's the guy on the grounds business to try to get back up. 0.98

02:27:50.000 People go, oh, that's fucking boring. 1.00

02:27:51.000 You're gay. 1.00

02:27:52.000 You like the fucking guy's bra... 1.00

02:27:54.000 I'm just saying there's only five minutes, okay? 1.00

02:27:57.000 And for grappling, five minutes is not that long.

02:28:01.000 Say, if you were grappling with another guy who was also at your level in grappling, and you guys were tangling for five minutes...

02:28:09.000 If you're both at the same level, there's going to be a lot of stalemates and it takes little incremental improvements and advances for you to get to a position where you finally get to a mount or you finally get an arm bar or you finally get a choke.

02:28:23.000 It's hard to do.

02:28:24.000 And you can't do it if you keep standing people up when they stalemate.

02:28:27.000 Yeah.

02:28:28.000 Because stalemate's a part of grappling.

02:28:31.000 It's your job to figure out, if you're on the bottom, how to get up or how to submit them from your back.

02:28:36.000 It's the guy's job on the top to hold you down and to figure out how to get you in a better position and to dominate you and to figure out how to submit you.

02:28:43.000 But it's not enough time.

02:28:45.000 Five minutes is not enough time.

02:28:47.000 The same when pressed against the fence when sometimes they're stuck there for more than two minutes.

02:28:53.000 When the guys get impatient, then they make mistakes.

02:28:56.000 Like if a guy's pressing you up against the cage and he's kneeing your legs and he's hitting you with short elbows and you're just waiting for the referee to separate.

02:29:03.000 If the referee doesn't separate, you might do something silly.

02:29:07.000 You might make a mistake.

02:29:08.000 And that's what they're trying to do.

02:29:10.000 Randy Couture was the master at that, at holding guys up against the cage.

02:29:13.000 They didn't separate him very often because he was constantly moving.

02:29:17.000 He'd be constantly punching you, constantly kneeing your body, kneeing your legs.

02:29:21.000 He was working you, and he was pushing on you and wearing you out.

02:29:25.000 That was a big part of his strategy.

02:29:27.000 I just feel like, you know, with MMA, they're trying really hard to make it more fan-friendly.

02:29:34.000 And they're trying really hard to make the action, like, more exciting to watch.

02:29:38.000 But I think in doing so, you water down the art a little bit.

02:29:41.000 And there's an art with two guys trying to figure out what to do to each other to defend and to attack and figure out who can win.

02:29:51.000 I don't know.

02:29:51.000 That's just my feeling.

02:29:52.000 But I think if you're going to have pure stand-up, just pure stand-up striking, I think what you're doing is the best way to do it.

02:29:59.000 I think small gloves and I think doing it in a cage where you don't have to worry about guys falling through the ropes.

02:30:07.000 I've seen that in a lot of events, especially when guys start clinching and they get up against a rope and maybe their butt goes through two ropes and they slid back or maybe they're ducking away from a punch and they wind up falling out of the ropes.

02:30:17.000 It happens too much.

02:30:19.000 I've seen...

02:30:19.000 I was at a local Muay Thai show in the ring, and they had two gentlemen clinging away, and the other guys, they've fallen straight through the center.

02:30:28.000 And then they had the judges' table right beside the ring, and they had all the trophies lined up.

02:30:34.000 And it was those trophies where the angel was on top of the trophy with the hands clasped together, and it was like razors.

02:30:44.000 And the guy's head...

02:30:46.000 He missed the trophy by inches and it flopped onto the desk and if it had been a little bit to the left, he would have been pierced straight through his eye.

02:30:55.000 It would have been detrimental. 0.98

02:30:57.000 Why the fuck would they have sharp objects right next to the ring when guys are throwing each other around? 0.98

02:31:01.000 That would have been horrific. 0.99

02:31:02.000 It was definitely sickening.

02:31:04.000 So I always make sure with our shows now our trophies are under the table.

02:31:07.000 That was a learning curve.

02:31:08.000 But Narn Hopkins fell...

02:31:10.000 Well, no, he didn't fall out.

02:31:11.000 Didn't he fall out of any once?

02:31:12.000 Yeah, he fell out and broke his shoulder.

02:31:13.000 That's right.

02:31:14.000 Yeah.

02:31:15.000 But in the cage, from a personal experience, I've had 118, 19 fights in the ring, but to be locked in that cage, not as a spectator, but as a fighter, It's such a different atmosphere and a different arena.

02:31:31.000 It definitely brings out a completely different beast.

02:31:34.000 When you know your opponent's wearing those little gloves, every single sense in your body is tingling because if you make a mistake, you're going to be completely dominated or wiped out or knocked unconscious.

02:31:49.000 What do you think about Bare Knuckle?

02:31:51.000 Bare knuckle.

02:31:51.000 I haven't tried it.

02:31:53.000 It sounds very painful.

02:31:56.000 And then because of my hands too, I think the idea of smacking someone in the forehead with bare knuckle wouldn't be healthy for my longevity.

02:32:04.000 So I like the idea with having hand wraps and having the small gloves.

02:32:07.000 Because with my CMT gloves, it's half padding, half gel.

02:32:12.000 And it's almost a six ounce instead of a four.

02:32:15.000 So it's not like a complete...

02:32:17.000 It's still fingerless.

02:32:18.000 Did you design them?

02:32:19.000 I had them talk with a company in Australia to help design them, make them thicker.

02:32:24.000 As a promoter, I didn't want to have someone dying on my show.

02:32:27.000 So I made it a thicker padding because there's no taking down, there's no holding.

02:32:33.000 It's just complete trauma for five rounds.

02:32:38.000 Well, the argument is, I mean, I see what your point is, but the argument is that, you know, you're saying you wouldn't want to break your hands on someone's forehead.

02:32:46.000 The argument is that you could throw a shin kick with full power.

02:32:50.000 So shin, which is much more powerful than a punch, shin to the head, right?

02:32:54.000 Knee to the head, elbows to the head.

02:32:56.000 Why do you allow someone to tape up their wrist and form an unnatural bond, right?

02:33:01.000 And then tape up their hands and make it nice and hard so you can punch full blast.

02:33:06.000 Whereas the reality is, hands should be used judiciously because there's not a lot of room for error.

02:33:13.000 If you do make a mistake and you punch full blast and you hit someone in an elbow, they cover up like that and your knuckle slamming in the elbow, you might shatter your hand.

02:33:20.000 You might shatter your hand on their forehead.

02:33:22.000 You might shatter your hand in a lot of different ways.

02:33:24.000 And you have to be way more clean with your strikes and it makes it more realistic.

02:33:29.000 And they think, a lot of people think, that that would actually alleviate a lot of the brain damage.

02:33:35.000 Okay.

02:33:36.000 What do you think of that?

02:33:38.000 Yeah, just my hands are always sort of...

02:33:40.000 I've had a little bit of difficulties in the past with them, so it's nice.

02:33:44.000 It's reassuring that when I have the hand wraps on, that's keeping my wrist into a nice firm place, so when I punch wrong, that I'm not going to break my hand.

02:33:54.000 And just having that cushioning over the top of the knuckles because the knuckles are so sensitive that I've broken them before.

02:34:02.000 And I know my hands are wrapped properly that I can hit with full force and not have any repercussions.

02:34:07.000 Does that argument make sense to you though?

02:34:09.000 It does, it does.

02:34:09.000 But I think there'd be more open hand slaps.

02:34:13.000 Slaps, yeah.

02:34:13.000 Like bass.

02:34:14.000 Bass rootin and time cracks.

02:34:16.000 Yes.

02:34:16.000 His style was pretty insane.

02:34:19.000 You definitely wouldn't want to punch with a closed fish.

02:34:21.000 To the body, maybe you would, right? 0.74

02:34:24.000 To high-five someone's face with your palm.

02:34:27.000 But then you'd have a lot of eye pokes.

02:34:30.000 That's a real issue with MMA. Yes.

02:34:32.000 No, it's CMT. We've had a few pokes as well.

02:34:35.000 Yeah, man.

02:34:36.000 I wish they figured something out to fix that.

02:34:39.000 That's the only danger.

02:34:41.000 What I'm doing with the CMT gloves is with the fingerless because a lot of people are saying, well, why are you doing it?

02:34:46.000 There's so many problems with the UFC and the pikes. 1.00

02:34:48.000 Why do you want to bring that same element into what you're doing with the cage? 0.98

02:34:51.000 But at the same time, if you wear boxing gloves in the cage, it just looks so dumb.

02:34:58.000 It does because you spend every single weekend watching UFC and And then you're trying to get the same respect from the MMA fans for what you're doing with Muay Thai rules.

02:35:09.000 And you've got these big pillows on, yet the UFC guys wearing the fingerless ones.

02:35:13.000 Well, is it possible that you could do something that's not fingerless, but that's also very light, that looks like a bag glove?

02:35:20.000 But it's the visual.

02:35:21.000 I think it's the visual that sells.

02:35:24.000 And as a fighter as well, I know when I put them on, I feel like I'm a warrior.

02:35:29.000 It's a weird...

02:35:32.000 I know that when I close my fist and then when I clinch, I know that I have my fingers and I can catch the kicks a lot easier and manipulate the guard so I can throw elbows easier as well.

02:35:43.000 It's a different element of fighting.

02:35:45.000 I've had so many fights with gloves and then you put these little things on and then the bell rings and then I feel free.

02:35:51.000 Because when I'm training, I train for 10 weeks with no gloves.

02:35:54.000 When I'm clinching, I train when I play spa with the kicks.

02:35:57.000 And then all of a sudden I'm restricted when I put boxing gloves on.

02:36:00.000 And then I can't execute the same game plan when I'm training to when I'm fighting.

02:36:06.000 Does that make sense?

02:36:07.000 It does make sense, but why wouldn't you just train with the gloves?

02:36:12.000 The boxing gloves.

02:36:18.000 In the cage though.

02:36:22.000 I see your point about it not looking right.

02:36:24.000 I definitely see your point. 0.97

02:36:26.000 I want the MMA people to look at my promotion and say, fuck yeah, that's cool. 0.98

02:36:32.000 Right. 0.98

02:36:32.000 Well, it's everything that they want out of MMA. Yes. 0.98

02:36:35.000 Especially people that don't like the ground game.

02:36:37.000 It's everything they want.

02:36:38.000 They want wild, crazy, stand-up strikers.

02:36:39.000 I'm not going to get their respect if I wear boxing gloves.

02:36:41.000 I need to make it the same environment with everything the same.

02:36:45.000 Just eliminate the ground so those strikers have a platform to fight in that same arena.

02:36:51.000 I get so many emails from people that want to fight on the show because they want to feel that rush of the cage.

02:36:57.000 They want to feel that rush of MMA gloves.

02:36:59.000 But there's no platform for them to do it besides mine.

02:37:06.000 It's an interesting sort of a transition.

02:37:10.000 It's like the gladiator days where you're fighting in the Coliseum.

02:37:13.000 Don't they do that in Thailand?

02:37:15.000 They do one where they wrap the hands, like big crazy hand wraps? 0.86

02:37:19.000 Yes, they've just started that in the last few years also.

02:37:22.000 Thai Fight is called.

02:37:23.000 The same deal with the hand wraps as well.

02:37:26.000 But it's in a ring still.

02:37:27.000 It's in a ring and they have big giant hand wraps.

02:37:30.000 They're not totally...

02:37:32.000 Yeah.

02:37:33.000 I've heard rumors that there may or may not be an MMA glove similar sort of style underneath or if it's a softer cotton or it's not like pure...

02:37:42.000 Well, it's big.

02:37:43.000 Yeah, it's big.

02:37:44.000 Those are big hand wraps.

02:37:45.000 It's not like as simple as like the regular wrap that you would wear when you're boxing.

02:37:49.000 Yeah, and it's not a cage.

02:37:50.000 Under a glove.

02:37:50.000 No, it's not a cage.

02:37:51.000 It's not a cage.

02:37:52.000 The cage is a big selling element.

02:37:54.000 I know when I walk into an arena and I see a ring, it's like, yeah, yeah, fight tonight, you beauty, I'm excited. 0.96

02:38:00.000 I walk into an arena and I see a cage and it's like, oh, someone's going to get fucked up tonight. 0.97

02:38:09.000 It's a different beast. 0.98

02:38:10.000 You walk into an arena and it's a different animal.

02:38:13.000 It's funny you say that because that was always like a thing that people thought was holding MMA back because MMA was in a cage and people didn't like the idea of cage fighting, in quotes, cage fighting.

02:38:22.000 But look at it now.

02:38:23.000 It's a billion dollar business.

02:38:24.000 Well, UFC. UFC is not MMA in general.

02:38:27.000 Only UFC. You know, there was an article that was recently out about the World Series of Fighting, which has some really good fighters in it.

02:38:34.000 The World Series of Fighting...

02:38:35.000 You know, there's some super high-level guys in the World Series of Fighting.

02:38:40.000 You watch some real good fights, and they're not making any money.

02:38:44.000 They're losing money.

02:38:45.000 They're on NBC Sports, you know, and I don't know how much NBC Sports pays them, but there was some article on The Underground about them losing money and being in dire financial straits.

02:38:54.000 And for me as a fan, I hate hearing that, because I want guys to have options.

02:38:59.000 Because when guys get cut from the UFC, a lot of times they'll go to World Series of Fighting, one of these other organizations like Jake Shields or John Fitch, and they'll build up, win a few fights over there, and maybe they can come back to the UFC. And I like hearing that.

02:39:11.000 I want to see that.

02:39:12.000 That's what happened to Arlovsky.

02:39:13.000 Anthony Johnson.

02:39:14.000 Anthony Johnson.

02:39:15.000 He fought Arlovsky in World Series of Fighting.

02:39:17.000 Yes.

02:39:17.000 I like that.

02:39:19.000 That has to be available, and it can't be available if these guys aren't making any money.

02:39:23.000 It's the same in Australia.

02:39:26.000 I love UFC. I love it.

02:39:29.000 I'm there every single weekend.

02:39:30.000 I'm buying all the pay-per-views.

02:39:31.000 I'm watching all the replays.

02:39:32.000 I love your commentary.

02:39:34.000 I love every single thing about it.

02:39:37.000 And then I go to a local MMA show and I'm bored shitless.

02:39:42.000 They've got two guys that...

02:39:44.000 And then it's Australia too because we don't wrestle.

02:39:46.000 So within 10 seconds they're both on the ground and they don't have the skill set to stand back up and they sort of get stuck for five minutes.

02:39:53.000 But when you watch UFC, they're at such a high level that it's like two worms.

02:39:57.000 The next minute they're up again, they're down.

02:39:59.000 The Jiu Jitsu is so crazy.

02:40:00.000 The striking is so amazing.

02:40:02.000 You've got the Cerrone's and it's such a...

02:40:05.000 And then what I want to do with the CMT too...

02:40:08.000 I've heard Dana White say in interviews, if any competition promotion had any brains, they'd steal everything that I'm doing in the UFC and try and replicate that for their own promotion because what we're doing is a winner formula.

02:40:21.000 So that's what I want to try and do with my show.

02:40:23.000 I'm trying to bring internationals in.

02:40:24.000 I'm trying to create every single aspect, as much as I can, similar, but in the striking world.

02:40:31.000 Do you think that that's what would be your primary focus when you retire?

02:40:35.000 Promoting and promoting like cage Muay Thai? 0.82

02:40:37.000 Yeah, my life is fighting.

02:40:39.000 Whether I'm doing it or promoting it or teaching it or seminars or...

02:40:44.000 I have no other interests outside of fighting.

02:40:47.000 That is all I do.

02:40:49.000 And then that's my wife's life as well.

02:40:52.000 Between us, yeah, that's it.

02:40:55.000 I don't even know if there is a world outside of fighting.

02:40:58.000 I hear there is.

02:41:00.000 When you watch MMA and say you watch like UFC or high-level UFC, what is the one thing that you think that when you see striking, is there anything that bugs you?

02:41:13.000 Is there things that you watch that you see people doing wrong or things you would like to see them improve upon?

02:41:19.000 I enjoy Warriors.

02:41:22.000 I enjoy people that are willing to put it all on the line.

02:41:26.000 Even gentlemen such as Diego Sanchez.

02:41:30.000 His striking, to me, isn't elite, but at the same time, he...

02:41:35.000 He drops his hands, he calls his opponent on, he screams and he runs in.

02:41:40.000 For me, that's excitement.

02:41:41.000 It doesn't have to be technical or textbook, but to have that adrenaline dump of sitting there and watching him for a whole round just going crazy. 0.99

02:41:49.000 He's nuts. 0.76

02:41:50.000 For me, that's amazing. 0.96

02:41:51.000 He's one of my all-time favorites for sure because of that.

02:41:54.000 And then John Jones, again, like you were saying, different elements of his elbow strikes.

02:41:58.000 Gufterson, for another example.

02:42:01.000 Everyone has Anthony Johnson. 0.99

02:42:04.000 He's a monster.

02:42:05.000 Again, his boxing, you wouldn't say is textbook boxing, but at the same time, if he hits you, you're out. 0.85

02:42:10.000 Yeah.

02:42:10.000 I love that.

02:42:11.000 I love it.

02:42:12.000 That's why I love it because I'm on the edge of my seat every single...

02:42:15.000 That's why UFC is so good too.

02:42:17.000 You don't have to wait till the main event to watch the fights.

02:42:20.000 You can sit there from the prelims to the last fight and enjoy every single fight because you know that every single fight is going to be completely different to the last.

02:42:27.000 Yeah, no question about that.

02:42:29.000 But as a world-class striker, when you watch guys in the UFC, do you see holes in their style?

02:42:34.000 Or when you watch MMA, it doesn't even have to be UFC, just any MMA. What do you think about the level, coming from a world championship Muay Thai fighter's perspective, what do you think about the level of kickboxing in MMA? If it was pure kickboxing rules,

02:42:51.000 yeah, it's...

02:42:52.000 It's a different kettle of fish, but it's entertaining.

02:42:56.000 I watch it for the...

02:42:57.000 I can't say it's good or bad because what they do works.

02:43:02.000 And also, you have to consider the fact that they're avoiding takedowns and things along those lines.

02:43:06.000 There's so many different elements.

02:43:08.000 For me to say, this is good, this is bad, I would be disrespecting the sport.

02:43:13.000 So I'd rather...

02:43:17.000 It's entertainment.

02:43:19.000 That's why I invest my money every single weekend because I love it.

02:43:23.000 I think it's amazing.

02:43:24.000 I'm a Muay Thai guy.

02:43:25.000 I love UFC. I just wish I was a young teenager that was starting out.

02:43:33.000 I know which path I'd definitely go.

02:43:36.000 Do you go down the MMA path?

02:43:38.000 Yeah.

02:43:39.000 Because it's so big?

02:43:40.000 I want to be the Anthony Pettis on the Wheaties Box.

02:43:42.000 I'd love to be the George St. Pierre driving around and living in a penthouse and being in the NOS commercials and the Ronda Rousey.

02:43:53.000 Do you plan on training MMA fighters?

02:43:57.000 I know you work with George quite a bit.

02:43:59.000 I've worked with him once for the two weeks.

02:44:01.000 That was pretty cool.

02:44:02.000 I work with a couple of gentlemen in Australia that are coming up.

02:44:08.000 But if the opportunity arose and someone would like to shoot me an email, I'm happy to...

02:44:13.000 Now all those training sessions that you did with George over that two weeks, which fight was that for?

02:44:18.000 Hendrix.

02:44:19.000 His very last one.

02:44:20.000 And what did you guys basically work on?

02:44:23.000 Hendrick was a southpaw, so we're working on keeping everything basic and then lots of right-hand left hooks, lots of inside thigh kicks with the right leg for taking out that lead, southpaw leg, moving away from the power left hand because he's a monster.

02:44:39.000 And then every time we spar, I replicate Johnny's sparring style.

02:44:44.000 So I throw lots of overhand lefts and just being that craziness exploding in.

02:44:50.000 And then George was...

02:44:54.000 John Denneher, after a week of having George on the pads, he was blown away about how much power I was starting to get out of George's punches and kicks and then freestyling on the pads that he'd never done before.

02:45:08.000 Yeah, we had such a good time.

02:45:11.000 But then I came too early in the camp.

02:45:16.000 There were still 14 weeks between Our training session and the fight.

02:45:19.000 So by the time I went back to Australia, he sort of went back to the old training regime.

02:45:26.000 What was the difference between your training?

02:45:29.000 I had the pleasure of working out with you and one of the things that I found was really interesting is that even when you throw a jab, you're throwing a jab almost like a right hand. 0.95

02:45:36.000 You're throwing a jab like you're pulling back with your right hand and fucking thrusting with your left hand. 0.99

02:45:41.000 Yes. 0.98

02:45:41.000 You know, and was that like the style that you were? 0.98

02:45:43.000 Yeah, I had George.

02:45:44.000 George, when George was double jabbing before, it was a long jab, short jab, whereas I had him cocking that shoulder for both jabs, so both of them were, and they'll make them big cracking noise, bam, bam.

02:45:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:45:58.000 So you were trying to get him to be more aggressive with his power?

02:46:01.000 Is that what you were concentrating on?

02:46:02.000 Yes, trying to execute a lot more power shots.

02:46:05.000 And just keeping it simple.

02:46:07.000 So keeping it down to four or five different techniques against the southpaw.

02:46:11.000 Because against the southpaw, you can't do the crazy tricks.

02:46:14.000 You've got to keep it basic but smart.

02:46:16.000 So you don't want to run into that left power hand either.

02:46:19.000 And then I believe...

02:46:22.000 He fought the wrong fight against Johnny.

02:46:23.000 He was moving into the hand instead of away from the hand.

02:46:26.000 And then he took a lot of damage.

02:46:28.000 And I believe we talked about this last time as well.

02:46:30.000 I believe George marginally just won that fight.

02:46:35.000 But I think if I had stayed there for a little bit longer or closer to the fight, I could have got him away with less damage.

02:46:47.000 Sorry, do you think that maybe he had one foot out the door?

02:46:50.000 Because he was kind of saying after that fight that he's really, you know, he's probably wants to take some time.

02:46:56.000 I mean, he wound up retiring, but he wanted to take some time away and that this was just, you know, it was too much for him.

02:47:02.000 Do you think that coming into that fight, maybe he had that in his head?

02:47:06.000 Possibly.

02:47:06.000 That's always a bad spot for a fighter to be at, right?

02:47:09.000 Have one foot out the door? 0.77

02:47:10.000 Yeah.

02:47:10.000 I was saying to my friend Kevin, it was the highlight of my training as a person.

02:47:17.000 It was training George for those two weeks.

02:47:19.000 And the first three days that I was with him...

02:47:21.000 It was so mind-blowing that how famous he was.

02:47:26.000 People coming up morning, taking photos, we're eating.

02:47:29.000 And then after the third day, fourth day, then you realize this thing, this machine doesn't turn off.

02:47:35.000 And then he can't go to the chemist to buy shampoo.

02:47:41.000 Chemist?

02:47:42.000 That's what you guys call a grocery store pharmacy?

02:47:45.000 Oh, you call it the chemist. 0.99

02:47:47.000 You're like, where the fuck are you getting your shampoo? 0.98

02:47:52.000 He might go into the toilets to pass stool, and you've got people waiting at the side of the cubicle to wait to get a photo with him. 0.99

02:48:00.000 Every time we went somewhere, it'd always have to be through the VIP entrance.

02:48:03.000 He couldn't walk through the front door.

02:48:05.000 Especially in Montreal, right?

02:48:07.000 So one time we went to a nightclub.

02:48:08.000 And then we've gotten in through the VIP, and then we're walking to our table, and then we're about maybe 15 feet from our table, and someone says, Jazz P, Jazz P. And without a word of a lie, the whole dance floor stopped dancing.

02:48:24.000 Everyone's looked at us, turned, and the whole club's walked towards that table.

02:48:28.000 Oh, no.

02:48:29.000 And without losing a beat, we've turned straight back around and walked straight back out of the nightclub because...

02:48:35.000 It was like a tsunami of fans that had just come in.

02:48:38.000 And he knew he wasn't going to be able to sit down.

02:48:39.000 Yeah, he said, we'll come back here a couple of hours later when they're distracted.

02:48:44.000 I can't come in right now because it's like this every day.

02:48:49.000 This is normal.

02:48:51.000 And he has his good friends that are his bodyguards that stand around him the whole time because people say, can I get a photo?

02:48:59.000 And the bodyguards will step in and say, oh, no flashes.

02:49:02.000 As soon as the flash goes off, then the whole club's going to come.

02:49:04.000 And then George will say yes.

02:49:06.000 And then the bodyguards, oh, sorry.

02:49:07.000 Oh, but George said yes.

02:49:08.000 Look, mate, you don't understand.

02:49:10.000 If the camera goes and we've got a problem...

02:49:13.000 Everybody's gonna want a photo.

02:49:14.000 Yeah, everyone wants a photo.

02:49:16.000 And even a red light, we're driving in the car, me and George got the radio on.

02:49:22.000 We stopped by the red light, and all you hear is GSP, GSP, and for, to his credit, the champion is, he always looks, waves, smiles, and then solo just drifts forward just a fraction, just so he's out of eyesight of the fans.

02:49:38.000 Overwhelming.

02:49:39.000 He'd rather, from your car park even, he'd catch a taxi from the front gate to the back gate because from walking 100 feet would be a half an hour with photos and handshakes and high fives.

02:49:53.000 And people are rude. 0.99

02:49:54.000 People are crazy. 0.97

02:49:55.000 People just come up and they stick their phone in his face like this. 0.95

02:49:59.000 You know what it's like.

02:50:00.000 You're a superstar.

02:50:01.000 You'd have this every single day as well, surely.

02:50:04.000 Yeah, I don't have anybody sticking their phone directly in my face too often, but it's happened a few times.

02:50:09.000 But I think with George, it's a totally different thing because he's a national hero as well.

02:50:13.000 I mean, he won Sportsman of the Year award in Canada where hockey is like their national sport.

02:50:18.000 Yes.

02:50:19.000 And he won over hockey players. 0.99

02:50:21.000 I mean, he was on the fucking... 0.99

02:50:22.000 He was in these Gatorade commercials. 0.99

02:50:24.000 I mean, he had transcended...

02:50:26.000 The sport to the point where he was an international superstar and he's from Canada.

02:50:32.000 And they're so proud of that in Canada.

02:50:34.000 Canada is such a proud country that a guy like George is probably like a hundred times more famous than me.

02:50:39.000 We went to New York for one week to train with John Denner here at the Gracie's Academy.

02:50:45.000 And even in New York, it was no different.

02:50:47.000 Montreal and New York were just as insane as each other.

02:50:50.000 Yeah, I would think Montreal would be probably a little bit more crazy, but yeah, at that level, I mean, George, when he was a champion especially, I wonder if he can get around now a little bit better.

02:50:59.000 Yeah, I hope so.

02:51:01.000 Maybe people just ask him questions.

02:51:02.000 When are you coming back, George?

02:51:03.000 I heard you're going to find Anderson Silva, George.

02:51:07.000 Yeah, and then even the websites, you notice all the, I read the MMA websites every single day, and then there's always, at least once a week, there's something about George is doing this, or he might come back, or this is happening, and so he's still relevant, he still hasn't disappeared yet, they still need him in that circle.

02:51:24.000 Well, he's still training.

02:51:26.000 Yeah, he's still a man.

02:51:26.000 I know Sage Northpett was in TriStar recently, and he had done some training with George, and I think, you know, George still has a little bit of the itch, but...

02:51:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:51:35.000 I'd love for him to come back.

02:51:36.000 I think he is UFC and he's such a great ambassador as well.

02:51:41.000 He's not just a...

02:51:41.000 He's a gentleman.

02:51:42.000 Not just a great fighter, but he represents everything good that's about combat sports.

02:51:46.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:51:47.000 Everything good about martial arts.

02:51:49.000 And he started as a martial artist.

02:51:51.000 I mean, that's really what he is.

02:51:52.000 Yes.

02:51:52.000 And that's why he would always go to the octagon with his guillon and the whole deal.

02:51:57.000 He's...

02:51:58.000 He's a really unique guy, and no better ambassador in his time to carry the flag.

02:52:05.000 Yes, and then even a lot of people change after once they reach that superstardom, whereas George has always stayed grounded, and then people would come up, and the majority are great, and then some people, the time I spent with him,

02:52:21.000 hey, every time I get a photo of a celebrity, I get carried, so pick me up.

02:52:25.000 And he's like, oh...

02:52:28.000 Okay, there's your photo. 0.99

02:52:32.000 People are so fucking weird. 1.00

02:52:34.000 Every time I get a photo with a celebrity, I fart on them. 1.00

02:52:37.000 Come on, George.

02:52:38.000 Get over here. 0.99

02:52:38.000 I'm going to fart on you real quick. 0.99

02:52:40.000 Come on, George.

02:52:41.000 They might have had a few drinks and there's no politeness.

02:52:43.000 Hey, I want a photo.

02:52:44.000 Give me a photo.

02:52:44.000 Or they just grab him.

02:52:46.000 Like that Tyson highlight where they just grab him around the neck.

02:52:49.000 Give me a photo.

02:52:53.000 He doesn't change though.

02:52:54.000 He doesn't like it, but at the same time he does it.

02:52:59.000 He's a good man.

02:53:02.000 He's very open-minded too.

02:53:05.000 I've watched him train with people.

02:53:06.000 I think I've seen you in a few confrontations on YouTube where people are a bit aggressive when it comes to asking for your stuff and you have to give them a slight, hey, just...

02:53:16.000 I don't know necessarily.

02:53:17.000 I don't think there's any YouTube videos of people asking for photos or anything like that.

02:53:20.000 It might be that I don't know of.

02:53:22.000 But yeah, people get drunk.

02:53:23.000 Alcohol is the worst drug in the world.

02:53:25.000 It's the worst drug in the world for people to make mistakes under pressure too because they see a guy like George... 1.00

02:53:30.000 And like, holy shit, it's George St. Pierre. 0.99

02:53:32.000 I ain't scared of him. 1.00

02:53:33.000 You know, like, whatever that's stupid. 0.99

02:53:35.000 Chuck Liddell used to get guys trying to pick fights with him. 1.00

02:53:38.000 Chuck Liddell has a murderer's eye.

02:53:42.000 Like, you look in his eyes, there's a killer in there.

02:53:44.000 And dudes would get drunk and pick fights with him. 1.00

02:53:47.000 People are so stupid. 1.00

02:53:49.000 Donald Cerrone was telling me, on the podcast, some guy punched him in the face in the Whole Foods parking lot. 1.00

02:53:55.000 And he's like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

02:53:58.000 It's like, Jesus Christ! 1.00

02:54:00.000 You just run into the wrong people, man. 0.99

02:54:02.000 And booze and whatever the fuck else they're doing with their head. 0.91

02:54:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:54:07.000 It's a crapshoot out there when you meet the general public.

02:54:10.000 Yes, so...

02:54:11.000 About YouTube. 0.99

02:54:15.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:54:15.000 Me and you had that little spa. 0.99

02:54:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:54:17.000 People are fucking crazy. 1.00

02:54:19.000 Why do people get... 1.00

02:54:20.000 They stay anonymous, yet they have such an opinion that they have to...

02:54:25.000 Me and you...

02:54:26.000 We had an understanding.

02:54:27.000 You had a sore back.

02:54:28.000 You didn't want to spar. 1.00

02:54:29.000 But you said, oh, look, fuck it. 1.00

02:54:31.000 Let's do it. 1.00

02:54:31.000 And then we had the best three minutes. 1.00

02:54:33.000 We laughed.

02:54:34.000 We had fun.

02:54:35.000 It was no big deal.

02:54:36.000 I said, oh, you mind if I upload it?

02:54:37.000 You said, yeah, go for it.

02:54:38.000 Yet everyone thinks it's so serious.

02:54:41.000 Well, they also think we're somehow upset at each other or something.

02:54:43.000 It was just...

02:54:45.000 For me, it was fun.

02:54:46.000 It was fun to be able to...

02:54:47.000 For me, it was fun.

02:54:48.000 It was cool.

02:54:48.000 It was a highlight of...

02:54:50.000 We should have probably recorded the whole thing.

02:54:51.000 It was a highlight of, like, whatever, an hour and a half of us training together.

02:54:55.000 I was really impressed with a lot of the variations of techniques you do, like the way you throw the knee, especially.

02:55:03.000 I never saw anybody throw a knee with, like, it completely sideways the way you did it and the combinations in which you did it. 0.94

02:55:10.000 So, I think in MMA or in any martial art, It's always cool when you get a chance to work with people and learn a bunch of different shit.

02:55:20.000 And at the end of it, throwing some light kicks and punches and stuff and moving around with each other, to me, it was just fun. 0.81

02:55:27.000 You had a suspected bulging disc. 0.94

02:55:29.000 Yeah, well, it's definitely something fucked up with it.

02:55:32.000 But it's better now. 0.99

02:55:33.000 So to take it like we were competing, like a UFC title, it was a play spa in your garage for shits and giggles. 0.96

02:55:41.000 You can't read that though, man. 0.97

02:55:43.000 You're reading the comments.

02:55:44.000 You can't read those.

02:55:45.000 That's like opening yourself up to the retards of the world. 1.00

02:55:48.000 Like, hey retards, how do you feel I should govern my life? 1.00

02:55:52.000 What should I do differently? 1.00

02:55:54.000 You fucking don't know anything! 1.00

02:55:56.000 You fucking loser! 1.00

02:55:58.000 You should kill yourself, loser! 1.00

02:56:01.000 Go eat some shit! 1.00

02:56:02.000 Eat dicks! 1.00

02:56:03.000 You just can't, you can't listen to that. 0.99

02:56:04.000 Yeah, I remember, I think I sent you a private message about two weeks later, I was going, dude, how do you, how do you put up with it?

02:56:09.000 And you said, you said, just don't, don't read it. 0.98

02:56:12.000 Yeah, how the fuck did that guy get to be a world champion? 0.98

02:56:14.000 If you were spying with me, bro, I'd open him up, bro. 0.99

02:56:18.000 Yeah, people were correcting your technique.

02:56:20.000 It was hilarious. 1.00

02:56:21.000 Like, will you just, please shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:56:23.000 See, there was a segment of you showing me a particular combination and someone was saying that you were showing it wrong. 0.99

02:56:31.000 Oh, yeah.

02:56:31.000 I was reading that and I was like, what am I reading this for?

02:56:33.000 What am I doing?

02:56:35.000 I'm not even taking my own advice.

02:56:36.000 And meanwhile, if you found that guy, he probably weighs six pounds. 1.00

02:56:41.000 He's in his mom's basement, shit in his own pants. 1.00

02:56:43.000 Like, who knows who you're listening... 1.00

02:56:45.000 When you...

02:56:46.000 Read a sentence on the internet and it starts with a letter and it ends with a period.

02:56:51.000 It looks like a normal person wrote it.

02:56:52.000 And you just read it. 0.98

02:56:54.000 Like if you wrote a sentence or if he wrote a sentence or some crazy dude who has no fucking grasp of reality at all, it still looks the same because it's a sentence. 0.84

02:57:04.000 And you don't know, like when you read someone's opinion, you don't know what the, what's that guy like?

02:57:09.000 Like, that's the thing about opinions.

02:57:11.000 There's always guys, and you know them, everybody knows them, there's always guys in the gym that'll see someone, and they probably don't know what the fuck they're doing, but they'll see someone hitting the bag, or they see someone doing a technique, and they'll come over and correct them, right? 1.00

02:57:22.000 There's always those fucking morons. 1.00

02:57:24.000 You know, there's a million of those fucking morons, right? 1.00

02:57:27.000 Well, when you meet that guy and you know he's an idiot, and you know that guy from the gym, you can just go, oh, Mike is the guy who gave you advice. 1.00

02:57:35.000 Listen, Mike's half retarded. 1.00

02:57:37.000 He got shot in the head when he was two. 0.99

02:57:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:57:39.000 There's a difference between that and seeing the guy's written words.

02:57:44.000 It's the beautiful thing about the internet, is that anybody can say anything.

02:57:49.000 You have a full, open, free forum for expressing yourself.

02:57:55.000 But the reality is, If you have a million people, okay? 0.99

02:58:00.000 At least 1% of those people are gonna be out of their fucking mind. 0.99

02:58:04.000 At least 1%. 0.99

02:58:05.000 So if you got a hundred people, that's one person.

02:58:09.000 But if you got a million people, or a hundred million people, look at the United States, 300 million people. 1.00

02:58:15.000 How many of those people are out of their fucking mind? 0.99

02:58:18.000 It's at least three million. 1.00

02:58:20.000 At least.

02:58:21.000 Three million douchebags that are leaving comments on YouTube. 0.65

02:58:25.000 And they're getting John Wayne Parr to talk about them. 0.73

02:58:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:58:28.000 I was right!

02:58:30.000 It was right!

02:58:31.000 He can say it all you want. 1.00

02:58:32.000 Your fucking technique's dog shit, bro. 1.00

02:58:35.000 I don't know how you got to be a world champion, bro. 1.00

02:58:38.000 Not on my watch. 1.00

02:58:40.000 You ain't pulling that shit with me. 0.99

02:58:42.000 I'll tell you what. 1.00

02:58:44.000 That's what you're gonna get, man.

02:58:46.000 It's the world we live in.

02:58:47.000 It's a beautiful world, though.

02:58:49.000 It's beautiful, and it's chaos, and it's fun, but I think we're all learning how to navigate this world, the world of comments.

02:58:57.000 I have friends that won't go on the underground anymore.

02:59:00.000 Fighters, they just won't go.

02:59:01.000 They go, I can't.

02:59:02.000 It hurts my feelings.

02:59:03.000 They go, I'll read what people are saying about me, and it hurts me.

02:59:06.000 It only hurts you if you don't know that.

02:59:08.000 If you knew that guy, it wouldn't hurt you. 1.00

02:59:11.000 If you were around him when he was saying that, you'd be like, oh, you're a fucking idiot! 1.00

02:59:16.000 You're an idiot with a typewriter! 1.00

02:59:18.000 You get the type keys? 1.00

02:59:19.000 Oh, okay, I get it.

02:59:20.000 But you don't get it when you see just a sentence.

02:59:23.000 A sentence, it looks like a normal person wrote that.

02:59:25.000 Diego Sanchez wrote on Twitter saying, you bagged me out, but I bet if we met in person, you'd be the first one to ask for my autograph.

02:59:34.000 Oh, it's true.

02:59:34.000 They would say that to him.

02:59:36.000 They talk all kinds of shit with him. 1.00

02:59:37.000 How can you talk shit about Diego Sanchez? 1.00

02:59:39.000 That guy has given more people the most crazy, holy shit entertainment. 1.00

02:59:46.000 Diego's had more fucking wild, chaotic, filled rounds. 0.99

02:59:51.000 And wild moments in MMA. That motherfucker wins fights in the third round when he's losing the first two rounds. 1.00

02:59:57.000 He's got his face hanging off and he doesn't give a fuck and he still comes out swinging. 1.00

03:00:01.000 You have to be a real piece of shit to talk bad about that guy. 1.00

03:00:05.000 A real piece of shit. 1.00

03:00:06.000 Melendez, that third round, that's still one of my favorite rounds. 1.00

03:00:10.000 How about you dropped him with an uppercut in the fucking third round after losing those first two rounds. 0.98

03:00:14.000 Drops him, almost has him out. 0.99

03:00:16.000 Same thing with Jake Ellenberger.

03:00:17.000 Took his back, too.

03:00:18.000 Yeah! 1.00

03:00:18.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

03:00:20.000 Dude, Diego's a warrior. 1.00

03:00:22.000 That guy's got my respect forever.

03:00:24.000 He's so crazy.

03:00:25.000 The Martin Kampman fight, same thing. 0.91

03:00:26.000 First two rounds, losing. 1.00

03:00:27.000 His fucking face is falling off in the third round. 1.00

03:00:30.000 He's chasing Martin Kampman down. 1.00

03:00:33.000 Crazy!

03:00:34.000 Yeah, you got to respect warriors. 0.54

03:00:37.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

03:00:38.000 I mean, it's just there's a bunch of disrespectful shitheads out there. 0.99

03:00:42.000 Do you think it's because of the... 0.99

03:00:45.000 With Muay Thai, for instance, we have a culture.

03:00:48.000 It's very Buddhism and it's very... 0.97

03:00:51.000 Sawadee Cup and everything, the whole business of this and that.

03:00:54.000 Well, explain what that means, what you're saying.

03:00:57.000 Most of these people are listening to this.

03:01:00.000 They class their hands together in prayer.

03:01:02.000 It's a way of showing that I'm unarmored.

03:01:04.000 That's the original...

03:01:06.000 Instead of shaking hands, the ties.

03:01:08.000 And then the males aren't touching the females either.

03:01:11.000 It's a real humility and a real honest appreciation of each other.

03:01:16.000 So they have this century-old culture, whereas MMA is so tap-out, ridden, Budweiser.

03:01:26.000 So the fans, it's a different sort of culture.

03:01:31.000 Do you believe it's sort of... 0.98

03:01:33.000 Well, all that bro-dude bullshit was frowned upon in Taekwondo. 0.99

03:01:36.000 I mean, I grew up in Taekwondo, which is very... 0.99

03:01:38.000 I always spoke to my instructor.

03:01:40.000 I called him sir or mister.

03:01:42.000 It was either Mr. Kim or sir.

03:01:44.000 You know, when he said something to me, there was no question.

03:01:47.000 It was always, yes, sir.

03:01:48.000 And it was always...

03:01:49.000 There was this bowing, respect-type admiration that you had for your instructor and for fellow competitors.

03:01:56.000 And that's a big part of what martial arts is, is respect for each other. 0.99

03:02:00.000 On the other hand, I like the shit talking. 0.99

03:02:02.000 I like what Conor McGregor does. 0.99

03:02:04.000 I like the just bleed guy in the audience going, it's fun too, but I think you lose something where there's a beautiful respect to Muay Thai.

03:02:15.000 And another thing about Muay Thai is the audiences are respectful.

03:02:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:02:18.000 When you go to those events, you very rarely hear stupid shit being yelled at. 1.00

03:02:23.000 Even though people are drinking, there's applause for both the winner and the loser. 0.99

03:02:28.000 There's a tremendous amount of respect that's involved in it because it's not that popular and because it's not mainstream, those people in the audience have a deep appreciation for the art of Muay Thai.

03:02:39.000 Yeah, they're hardcore.

03:02:40.000 They're there for a reason because they want to see it.

03:02:42.000 It's not like it's on TV and they're just watching it for the sake of watching it.

03:02:45.000 They're there because they want to be there.

03:02:46.000 Yeah, that's the only reason.

03:02:48.000 It's not a scene.

03:02:49.000 It's like they're there to see Muay Thai.

03:02:52.000 Yeah, and then, yeah, the MMA culture is just so... 1.00

03:02:56.000 Well, there's a lot of fucking posing and fake and assholes. 0.99

03:03:00.000 I mean, my friends, I'll get my friends tickets, you know, and they'll go to the fights and they'll sit beside some guys like, Why does he fucking... 1.00

03:03:08.000 I'm telling him! 0.99

03:03:09.000 Do the fucking kick! 1.00

03:03:10.000 I'm told, you know, people just yell out advice and they get drunk and they're stupid and they're posing because they're insecure. 1.00

03:03:18.000 So they're drunk at these events and they're trying to pretend that they know more than the fighter knows. 0.99

03:03:23.000 It's overwhelming.

03:03:25.000 I'm hoping that the human race survives this era.

03:03:28.000 I'm really hoping that this internet era enlightens us to our douchey ways and we just slowly but surely rise from the ashes of what we've created.

03:03:38.000 I don't know.

03:03:39.000 When I read comments I get confused.

03:03:44.000 Listen, my brother, we just did three hours.

03:03:46.000 We're out of time.

03:03:46.000 It's already nine o'clock.

03:03:48.000 Crazy. 1.00

03:03:48.000 Holy shit. 1.00

03:03:49.000 This is the John Wayne Parr experience. 1.00

03:03:50.000 Mate.

03:03:51.000 Thank you again.

03:03:51.000 My brother, anytime, man.

03:03:52.000 Open invitation, please.

03:03:53.000 My pleasure.

03:03:54.000 Anytime.

03:03:55.000 And next time in town, let's train some more.

03:03:56.000 Let's do it again.

03:03:57.000 Yes, please.

03:03:58.000 Let's do it.

03:03:58.000 A lot of fun.

03:03:58.000 Let's do it.

03:03:59.000 When are you going to be around again?

03:04:00.000 You have any plans?

03:04:01.000 I'm talking to Hans.

03:04:03.000 I'm talking to Scott Kent.

03:04:04.000 Hopefully I'll be back sooner than later. 1.00

03:04:06.000 Oh, fuck you. 1.00

03:04:06.000 They have to have you back, man. 1.00

03:04:07.000 And next time you come back, we'll make sure, probably try to get you in before, too, so people can tune in and know that the fight is coming.

03:04:16.000 John Wayne Parr, ladies and gentlemen.

03:04:17.000 Follow him on Twitter.

03:04:18.000 John Wayne Parr on Twitter.

03:04:20.000 CageMuyTai.com?

03:04:21.000 CageMuyTai.

03:04:22.000 December 5th.

03:04:22.000 I'm fighting Cyrus.

03:04:24.000 Cyrus.

03:04:25.000 Cyrus.

03:04:25.000 Not Soros.

03:04:26.000 Not whoever that other guy is that he invented.

03:04:29.000 Cyrus Washington, Black Dynamite.

03:04:30.000 Should be a lot of fun.

03:04:31.000 And can people watch that online or anything?

03:04:33.000 Yes.

03:04:34.000 I'm going to have a...

03:04:35.000 FightLiveTV.com.

03:04:37.000 FightLiveTV.com.

03:04:39.000 I will tweet it.

03:04:39.000 I'll let you guys know about it December 5th.

03:04:41.000 Thank you, my brother.

03:04:42.000 I really appreciate it.

03:04:43.000 Thank you very much.

03:04:43.000 Thank you.

03:04:44.000 All right, folks.

03:04:44.000 We'll be back tomorrow.

03:04:46.000 Until then, be nice to each other.

03:04:47.000 Bye-bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 28, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #714 - John Wayne Parr

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