The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #715 - Remi Warren

00:00:00.000 We're live.

00:00:01.000 Remy Warren.

00:00:02.000 What's up, buddy?

00:00:02.000 Hey, how's it going?

00:00:03.000 Before we get started, let me just say the shirt that I'm wearing, Hunt to Eat shirt, is my friend Giannis Poutelis' shirt, and you can get one.

00:00:11.000 You can get a 15% discount if you go to hunttoeat.com and use the discount code ROGAN. There you go.

00:00:19.000 They gave me a discount code to use.

00:00:21.000 No, they gave you a free one.

00:00:22.000 Well, no, I know, but they gave me one to put on something, and I did, and they accidentally did it wrong, and the shirts were $2 a piece.

00:00:30.000 So jump on now, and you might get a screaming deal.

00:00:33.000 What was the discount? 1.00

00:00:34.000 They fucked up. 0.99

00:00:35.000 They said it like 20% off as like $20 off, a $22 shirt. 1.00

00:00:40.000 Oops.

00:00:41.000 That ought to hurt.

00:00:41.000 Yeah.

00:00:42.000 That ought to hurt. 0.99

00:00:43.000 I was like, oh shit. 0.99

00:00:44.000 So we were just talking about before we got the podcast started that you do yoga when you're not on the road, when you're not guiding? 0.99

00:00:51.000 Yeah, that's my workout of choice.

00:00:53.000 Yeah?

00:00:53.000 I feel like if I'm going to work out, yeah, it's a good stretch.

00:00:58.000 It keeps me limber, plus you're surrounded by hot chicks that are sweating. 1.00

00:01:01.000 It's like not a bad deal.

00:01:03.000 See, I'm going to the wrong class.

00:01:05.000 My class's housewives are just trying to barely keep it together. 1.00

00:01:08.000 Oh no, not where I go.

00:01:10.000 Yeah, it's probably better where I go.

00:01:13.000 Except there's always that one dude with the lower back tattoo, and he's always like, where's Matt right in front of me? 0.97

00:01:19.000 And I'm just thinking, damn it. 0.87

00:01:21.000 Isn't it weird? 0.99

00:01:22.000 Like, for a guy, a lower back tattoo is a real no-no.

00:01:26.000 Yeah, I wonder, but maybe he got it before it was a no-no.

00:01:30.000 Is that possible?

00:01:30.000 When did that happen?

00:01:31.000 Like, five minutes.

00:01:32.000 He was like, in line, and then he got it, and then he walked out, and they were like... 0.99

00:01:40.000 Damn it. 0.98

00:01:41.000 Yeah, there's certain spots. 0.99

00:01:43.000 It's weird, right?

00:01:45.000 There's certain spots where you can tattoo your arms, but if you get up into your neck, people go, hmm.

00:01:51.000 Yeah, rough childhood.

00:01:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:01:54.000 As soon as you get to your face, everybody goes, oh, Jesus, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

00:01:57.000 Yeah, there's certain zones that are okay. 0.99

00:02:00.000 Yeah, like hands.

00:02:02.000 You start doing your hands, you're very hardcore.

00:02:05.000 Yeah, but the lower back is okay if it's incorporated into everything else on your body.

00:02:10.000 It has to be like one of those Japanese Yakuza style bodysuit things. 0.89

00:02:14.000 Yeah, it has to.

00:02:15.000 And you have to work out everything else before you get to the lower back.

00:02:18.000 Can't start with the lower back.

00:02:19.000 It's like a blank space.

00:02:21.000 It's weird though.

00:02:22.000 The tramp stamp.

00:02:24.000 How did that happen?

00:02:25.000 Why was it... 0.94

00:02:26.000 Is it just because that's what you look at when you're having sex doggy style? 0.99

00:02:31.000 You look at that spot? 0.68

00:02:32.000 I haven't...

00:02:34.000 I don't get it.

00:02:35.000 I think it was so you could see it, like the low rider pants and the crop top shirt.

00:02:40.000 Oh, right.

00:02:42.000 That's another thing.

00:02:43.000 And you're like, oh, hey.

00:02:45.000 She's a hoe. 1.00

00:02:47.000 She makes mistakes.

00:02:49.000 She's impulsive.

00:02:50.000 Yeah, that's another thing dudes are not allowed to do.

00:02:52.000 You can have no shirt on, but you can't have a half shirt.

00:02:55.000 No.

00:02:56.000 You know?

00:02:57.000 Or like you can have shorts or long pants, but capris.

00:03:01.000 What is a capris?

00:03:02.000 Oh, those are up to the knees.

00:03:04.000 The calf, the calf.

00:03:05.000 That's so true.

00:03:06.000 That's so true.

00:03:07.000 You can't have those.

00:03:08.000 You can't have those.

00:03:09.000 That's a no-go.

00:03:10.000 That's a definite no-go.

00:03:11.000 That's weird.

00:03:12.000 Like the no shirt's okay.

00:03:14.000 Like if you're at the beach and you have no shirt.

00:03:16.000 But if you have like a jog bra type setup, that's not happening, baby.

00:03:21.000 You can't do it.

00:03:22.000 Well, you'd have to custom make it.

00:03:23.000 And then that's just awkward in itself.

00:03:25.000 Right.

00:03:25.000 Like, why did you cut the bottom of your shirt off?

00:03:27.000 You can cut the sleeves off.

00:03:29.000 I like my belly to be free, bro.

00:03:31.000 I like it to be free.

00:03:32.000 Yeah, we have weird choices when it comes to that. 0.99

00:03:35.000 Like, dude, I fucking still to this day take more shit for wearing a fanny pack. 0.99

00:03:39.000 I wear one all the time. 1.00

00:03:40.000 The first thing I noticed was that fanny pack.

00:03:41.000 I was like, leather fanny pack? 1.00

00:03:43.000 That's next level shit. 1.00

00:03:44.000 That's pretty good. 1.00

00:03:45.000 Fucking strong. 0.98

00:03:46.000 I learned about it from Dice Clay. 0.99

00:03:48.000 Dice Clay was in here and he had this very strong fanny pack.

00:03:50.000 Oh, what is this?

00:03:51.000 You're showing us here.

00:03:52.000 That's real?

00:03:54.000 It says Kid Cudi wore a crop top to Coachella.

00:03:58.000 No, he didn't.

00:03:59.000 He did he really?

00:04:00.000 I don't know.

00:04:01.000 Did Kid Cudi wear that?

00:04:02.000 He was in the podcast.

00:04:03.000 He didn't seem gay.

00:04:04.000 Whoa, there he is.

00:04:05.000 Look at that.

00:04:07.000 It's hot out there, though. 0.99

00:04:09.000 What the fuck ever. 1.00

00:04:10.000 Take your shirt off, son. 1.00

00:04:11.000 There's rules.

00:04:12.000 There's rules in this life.

00:04:14.000 Well, I guess maybe if you got nice abs.

00:04:16.000 Yeah, that's no good.

00:04:17.000 That back one up there, the one that we were just showing? 0.99

00:04:20.000 See, this one, for folks listening, this is fucking completely ridiculous. 0.97

00:04:24.000 Because it's a sweatshirt, like a big puffy sweatshirt, but it's been cut at the midriff, like right where the lower rib is. 0.99

00:04:32.000 That's where it's cut.

00:04:33.000 I just, I don't think I'll ever get into that fashion.

00:04:36.000 Yeah.

00:04:37.000 Yeah, that's, there's someone saying something.

00:04:40.000 I don't know what he's saying, but I don't want to hear it.

00:04:44.000 Whatever that guy's saying.

00:04:46.000 It's weird.

00:04:47.000 It's weird rules. 0.81

00:04:47.000 You know, when I've gone hunting, people have given me shit for having two different kinds of clothes. 0.81

00:04:53.000 Like, you have, like, a Kuyu shirt on and Sitka pants. 0.91

00:04:57.000 Okay, I've always, my whole life, been the opposite of that.

00:05:00.000 I would just mix and match.

00:05:02.000 Good for you.

00:05:02.000 So I'm not wearing, like, the...

00:05:04.000 I hated wearing...

00:05:05.000 I called it, like, the pajamas.

00:05:06.000 Yeah.

00:05:07.000 Like, you look like you're wearing a onesie.

00:05:08.000 Like, I'll use the same company, maybe, but a couple different shades.

00:05:11.000 Yeah.

00:05:12.000 Top and bottom.

00:05:13.000 Well, the hunting thing is a bit of a fashion thing.

00:05:16.000 It is.

00:05:19.000 It's weird, because it's one of the few times where men will comment on each other's fashion.

00:05:25.000 Men don't go, hey man, those are nice blue jeans, bro.

00:05:28.000 I like the cut.

00:05:29.000 Who's making those? 1.00

00:05:30.000 Like, you're staring at my dick. 1.00

00:05:31.000 Something's going on. 0.99

00:05:32.000 Well, it's acceptable, too, for men to wear a $500 pair of pants when they're hunting pants.

00:05:37.000 Yeah, what is that?

00:05:39.000 Right?

00:05:40.000 But there's a fashionista thing going on. 0.99

00:05:43.000 Yeah.

00:05:44.000 You know?

00:05:45.000 And I think a lot of the camouflage isn't even for...

00:05:48.000 Animals.

00:05:49.000 Eyesight.

00:05:49.000 It's for humans.

00:05:51.000 It's totally for humans.

00:05:51.000 A lot of the stuff.

00:05:52.000 I mean, they've done so many studies on camouflage, you know?

00:05:55.000 And that's...

00:05:56.000 I actually did this thing for Apex.

00:05:59.000 We were looking into camouflage.

00:06:01.000 And...

00:06:02.000 It's just crazy.

00:06:03.000 It's one of those things, like, we have a lot to learn about camouflage.

00:06:06.000 Well, what can they see?

00:06:08.000 What can they see?

00:06:09.000 What can animals see?

00:06:10.000 Well, they vary, right?

00:06:11.000 Yeah, they vary. 0.96

00:06:11.000 Like, some animals have really shitty eyesight. 0.96

00:06:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:06:13.000 Like, pigs have shitty eyesight, right? 0.99

00:06:15.000 Yeah, but... 0.97

00:06:15.000 So, like, the way camouflage works is there's, like, matching, where you're kind of just matching the environment. 0.97

00:06:22.000 Maybe one shade of, like, sand-colored bottom.

00:06:25.000 And then there's, like, modeled, where it splotches rock-type shape.

00:06:29.000 And then there's disruptive, where...

00:06:31.000 It essentially breaks up the outline of whatever it is so it doesn't look like what it is.

00:06:35.000 And disruptive, I think, in my opinion, is probably the most effective camouflage when you, like, start to really analyze it.

00:06:43.000 Is disruptive, like, first light has this kind that's, like, dark stripe, light stripe, and it doesn't look...

00:06:50.000 Yeah, and so sometimes you, like...

00:06:53.000 It's like, you look at it and it doesn't really look like, if it doesn't, if camouflage doesn't look like anything, then that's the best, I would say.

00:06:58.000 Really?

00:06:59.000 So is the idea that it breaks up the shape of a human?

00:07:02.000 Yeah.

00:07:03.000 Okay. 0.99

00:07:03.000 So that's what fucks with the animals. 0.99

00:07:05.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:07:06.000 They see the shape of a human and then go, oh, that's death.

00:07:08.000 Yeah.

00:07:09.000 But I did this thing, a friend of mine is an army sniper, and so for this Apex episode, did, made a ghillie suit.

00:07:18.000 Oh. 0.55

00:07:19.000 Crazy.

00:07:20.000 Like, it was cool.

00:07:21.000 Like, a legit one.

00:07:22.000 Not one of those, like, goofy, look like the swamp, well, you still look like the swamp thing, but we're, you would just, like, veg up and match your exact surroundings.

00:07:31.000 Oh.

00:07:32.000 And, I'm not kidding you, we took a picture where he was, like, standing there, and three, four feet away, you just disappear.

00:07:38.000 Do you have the picture?

00:07:39.000 If you have it, email it to Jamie if you have it and put it up on the screen.

00:07:45.000 See if you can.

00:07:46.000 They say that turkeys have really, really good eyesight, right? 0.94

00:07:49.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:07:50.000 I wore a mask, a ghillie suit mask, like a shitty one, when we went turkey hunting. 0.77

00:07:57.000 I'd just see out with a slit. 0.87

00:08:00.000 But it was cool.

00:08:00.000 It was cool to wear it.

00:08:01.000 I felt like I was really hiding.

00:08:03.000 Yeah.

00:08:04.000 I'm invisible.

00:08:05.000 Yeah.

00:08:06.000 But they can't see like, you know, like you have like those real tree camo prints that look just like leaves.

00:08:11.000 Like deers can't see that, right?

00:08:12.000 No, I think, you know, I mean, in my opinion, it just turns to black once you get it to a certain distance.

00:08:18.000 So some camouflage is just really...

00:08:21.000 Like, based on how far away from your prey you might be, because, like, that kind of stuff, you know, it's made for a tree stand, and it looks cool, and you're up in the tree, and you could probably wear a blaze orange pumpkin suit, and they wouldn't see you anyways.

00:08:35.000 Right, you're so high up.

00:08:36.000 Yeah, but, yeah, I mean, and then you get out of distance, and it just looks black or dark.

00:08:44.000 So it doesn't really, I wouldn't think it would be effective for like what I do out west or in the mountains and things like that.

00:08:49.000 Yeah, there's a bunch of weird things that I'm starting to notice because obviously I haven't been hunting for that long.

00:08:54.000 There's a bunch of weird fetishes.

00:08:56.000 The clothes fetish is one of them.

00:08:58.000 There's a boot fetish for sure.

00:09:00.000 Oh yeah, but the questions I get asked, it's like always here.

00:09:03.000 Pull on up to this microphone so you can, sorry, these things are super directional.

00:09:07.000 Yep.

00:09:07.000 Is that better?

00:09:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:08.000 I was just leaning, leaning like a cholo or something.

00:09:13.000 Yeah, the things I get asked the most, boots and camo patterns.

00:09:17.000 Yeah.

00:09:18.000 That's it.

00:09:19.000 Well, people get into it.

00:09:20.000 They think about it before they're doing it.

00:09:22.000 And so it becomes something like they want to look the part.

00:09:25.000 It's like guys want to wear Nike sneakers and the right shorts when they go play pickup basketball.

00:09:30.000 It's kind of the same thing.

00:09:32.000 I always get rifle hunters come out on elk hunts and they're like, Will this camouflage match where we're hunting?

00:09:38.000 And my answer is, you have a rifle. 0.94

00:09:40.000 Like, if they see the shirt underneath your jacket, you're already screwed. 0.72

00:09:46.000 So, we don't necessarily need to worry about it.

00:09:48.000 But, I mean, that being said, I do wear camouflage.

00:09:51.000 Meaning, for people who don't understand what we're saying, when you rifle hunt, you're really far away.

00:09:55.000 Whereas, if you're bow hunting an elk, you would like to be within 50 yards.

00:10:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:10:01.000 What's, like, the longest shot you've ever taken on an elk with an archery?

00:10:06.000 Oh, probably wouldn't be an elk, it'd be a deer.

00:10:09.000 About 80 yards.

00:10:11.000 But that's a long ways.

00:10:12.000 That's not typical.

00:10:13.000 Like, everything was perfect, you know?

00:10:16.000 Yeah, that's a tricky thing, right?

00:10:18.000 With archery, learning when you can pull something like that off.

00:10:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:10:23.000 Because the thing is, you know, I think a lot of people, too, like a lot of hunters, they've got, like, this debate on what's ethical for distance and other things.

00:10:32.000 I think it just depends on the situation.

00:10:34.000 Because there's...

00:10:35.000 I've taken a few animals at what I would consider like the edge of ethical range, but yet I've never lost one.

00:10:44.000 But the only animal that I've ever not recovered was like 30 yards, you know?

00:10:48.000 So anything can go wrong at any distance.

00:10:50.000 It's just, I think it's one of those things.

00:10:52.000 Because I think when you take a further shot, you're banking on, you're paying maybe more attention to all the exact things and not just getting like, oh, it's close, it's going to happen.

00:11:02.000 Is that one of the biggest issues that you have?

00:11:04.000 Because I know you take out really new hunters sometimes.

00:11:08.000 Yeah.

00:11:09.000 One of the bigger issues must be having them make a correct shot.

00:11:14.000 Yeah, that's the hard part, because I think if you're a new hunter, you may not expect the reactions that you're going to have in the moment.

00:11:24.000 You can shoot at the range all you want, you can do all this other stuff, but you can't factor in that emotion of when you're about to take an animal's life, and that's...

00:11:33.000 That's something you can't practice, you know?

00:11:36.000 Yeah.

00:11:36.000 It's just...

00:11:37.000 And so, yeah, so that part of, like, if I'm with someone, I try to keep them calm and just...

00:11:43.000 Because if you're...

00:11:44.000 If somebody that's with you is just like, Oh, my dad, hurry up!

00:11:49.000 Shoot! 0.92

00:11:50.000 Yeah! 0.94

00:11:51.000 Then you're going to be panicked and you're going to just not make a good shot.

00:11:55.000 Whereas if the person's like, Okay, you know, take your time.

00:11:57.000 Like, just real calm and mellow.

00:12:00.000 Do you know of anybody that's ever used beta blockers?

00:12:03.000 Beta blockers.

00:12:04.000 Yeah, beta blockers are something that performers use.

00:12:08.000 I've never experimented with them, but I recently got a prescription because I just want to see what the deal is.

00:12:14.000 I'm trying to figure out when would be a good time to try it.

00:12:17.000 I would think like archery elk would be like the perfect time to try it because your heart rate is just jacked, your adrenaline is flying, your nerves are crackling.

00:12:28.000 Like I think Archery, elk hunting, probably the most nervous I've ever been next to, like, martial arts competition.

00:12:36.000 Like, right up there.

00:12:37.000 Right there.

00:12:37.000 At the edge of, like, martial arts competition is like, it gets this point where people go into shock.

00:12:44.000 Like, it's just, you see it even in the UFC sometimes.

00:12:47.000 You see, like, guys just can't perform right.

00:12:49.000 They're overwhelmed by the moment, the nerves, the adrenaline dump, the whole thing.

00:12:56.000 They just, rah!

00:12:57.000 And guys who are just heroes in the gym, they get on those bright lights, they can't do it.

00:13:02.000 I think archery elk hunting is probably the closest you can get to martial arts competition that I've experienced.

00:13:09.000 And I was wondering, man, I bet if you took a beta blocker, that would probably alleviate a lot of that.

00:13:15.000 It could.

00:13:16.000 Does it last for a long period of time?

00:13:18.000 Because you never know when you take it in the morning and you're just kind of like...

00:13:22.000 What doesn't mellow you out?

00:13:24.000 Oh, okay.

00:13:24.000 Apparently what it does is it blocks the reaction.

00:13:28.000 I should have, like, Mark Gordon explain it to me.

00:13:30.000 Dr. Gordon, who's a buddy of mine, has been on this podcast a bunch of times, who told me about it.

00:13:35.000 But, like, I watched this television show, and it was on nerves and on reactions to stress and pressure.

00:13:45.000 And they had these concert performers, like classical music performers.

00:13:51.000 Yeah.

00:13:51.000 And they talked about how difficult it is to perform in front of live audiences.

00:13:55.000 And then they discovered beta blockers.

00:13:57.000 And then the guy was saying, like, it just changed my life.

00:14:00.000 He said, now I take a beta blocker and I can perform easily the way I perform in the studio when we're practicing in front of thousands of people.

00:14:08.000 It's no problem at all.

00:14:09.000 Yeah, I've noticed that excitement level just clouds your thinking, too.

00:14:12.000 And that's what, in hunting, you don't anticipate, because all of a sudden you're now doing things with clouded judgment.

00:14:18.000 And I guarantee, like, animals can feel that...

00:14:23.000 That tension.

00:14:24.000 I don't know what it is or what they're feeling, but if you are just out there observing an animal or don't really care, don't get that excited...

00:14:31.000 It's almost like some people will go, right before I was going to shoot, it ran off.

00:14:36.000 It's because as that excitement level grows and you freak out, I feel like they sense that energy.

00:14:42.000 They've got a different way of feeling their environment.

00:14:45.000 I mean, fish especially do that.

00:14:47.000 They can feel...

00:14:47.000 Like when I was spearfishing and you dive down...

00:14:50.000 You would consciously try to lower your heart rate and the fish would swim towards you.

00:14:55.000 Really?

00:14:55.000 But as you're freaked out, the fish will not come near you or they'll even swim away.

00:14:59.000 So you go down there and you just have to like essentially zen out and then the fish swim up to you.

00:15:05.000 And then you jack them.

00:15:07.000 Yep.

00:15:08.000 You're like, sushi!

00:15:09.000 I wonder.

00:15:10.000 I mean, we just assume that animals have all the same sets of skills or the same sets of senses that we do.

00:15:17.000 But fish have a bunch of weird things, like that lateral line across their body, which detects movement.

00:15:22.000 And they can get other things from that, right?

00:15:25.000 What else?

00:15:25.000 Well, it's essentially detecting vibrations in the water.

00:15:30.000 Yeah, so it's anything from heart rates to...

00:15:33.000 Fish swimming, other animals moving in the water.

00:15:36.000 They can detect heart rates with that lateral line?

00:15:38.000 Wow.

00:15:39.000 What that means, for people who don't understand what I'm saying, is if you go from a fish's gills and draw a straight line back to their tail, there's actually a line there.

00:15:51.000 And that line is just all like nerve endings, right?

00:15:54.000 Yeah, sensitive nerve endings that pick up.

00:15:57.000 Things that we can't detect in the water.

00:16:01.000 And also the sense of the smell. 0.99

00:16:02.000 Like, can you imagine what a fucking elk sense of smell must be like? 0.99

00:16:05.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:16:05.000 It's unbelievable. 1.00

00:16:06.000 They probably can smell things that we don't even think smell, like fear.

00:16:09.000 Like, they probably can smell that.

00:16:11.000 Yeah, you probably start sweating a little more. 1.00

00:16:13.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 1.00

00:16:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:16:15.000 Because a lot of predators, when they go into that final stock mode, their heart rates slow down.

00:16:20.000 Really?

00:16:20.000 Yeah.

00:16:21.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:16:22.000 Because when you see a cat, when a cat's about to bust a move, they start moving real slow. 0.99

00:16:29.000 And then they fucking... 0.99

00:16:30.000 It's done. 0.99

00:16:30.000 The mad dash. 0.99

00:16:32.000 Yeah, it's like they're lulling their prey into a false sense of contentment and security.

00:16:38.000 They're cool to watch.

00:16:39.000 We did an Apex episode and we were like...

00:16:42.000 Well, let's explain what that means.

00:16:43.000 You have a show called Apex Predator. 0.99

00:16:45.000 It's a fucking great show. 0.99

00:16:46.000 Yeah, thank you. 0.99

00:16:46.000 And it's on Sportsman's channel. 0.99

00:16:48.000 Outdoor channel.

00:16:49.000 Well, they're the same.

00:16:50.000 They're owned by the same people. 0.99

00:16:51.000 Which is a fucking pain in the ass now because that is removed from Viacom. 1.00

00:16:56.000 Have they worked that shit out yet? 1.00

00:16:58.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:17:00.000 Yeah, there was a website that you could go to.

00:17:04.000 What was it?

00:17:05.000 KeepMyOutdoorTV or something like that, Jamie?

00:17:09.000 It's for the Verizon.

00:17:11.000 Yeah, Verizon, I guess, what is it?

00:17:16.000 Fiber Optic, Fios.

00:17:18.000 They pulled all of the hunting channels, and then, like, yeah, that's what it is.

00:17:23.000 So what is the key?

00:17:26.000 Keepmyoutdoortv.com.

00:17:28.000 You can go there and it'll show you.

00:17:31.000 Look, it's telling you to drop Verizon and switch providers today.

00:17:36.000 Is that like a satellite thing?

00:17:40.000 Verizon is a fiber optic line and I believe it's done like the internet.

00:17:45.000 It's Verizon Fios because they have Verizon fiber optic internet service.

00:17:52.000 And for whatever reason, I don't know what it was, whether it's some sort of a deal that they couldn't make or whether they're actually trying to force out.

00:18:01.000 That's what people are worried about, that they're forcing out hunting and fishing shows and they're just removing them because they don't like it or they think it's distasteful or maybe someone at the very top is an animal rights person.

00:18:18.000 I don't know.

00:18:19.000 I really don't know.

00:18:20.000 Yeah, I'm not sure either. 0.54

00:18:21.000 But that would suck if you really enjoyed watching those shows, which I do, and all of a sudden Verizon says, oh, well, this isn't on, but hey, you can watch some fucking fake reality show on people that fake live in the woods on the Discovery Channel,

00:18:38.000 because that's what they're recommending. 0.97

00:18:39.000 Really?

00:18:40.000 Yeah, when people are going to that, they're actually recommending these rigged shows.

00:18:46.000 Which, you know, some of them are fun, like Life Below Zero.

00:18:50.000 But those are real events.

00:18:52.000 Like, watch that show. 0.99

00:18:53.000 They don't have to fake anything, because those fucking people are really living 200 miles above the Arctic Circle. 0.98

00:18:59.000 So instead, if they're like, you really liked Meat Eater, but instead you can watch Alaska Yukon Bear Country Gold Survival Pawn Shop. 0.98

00:19:10.000 LAUGHTER You just said that, but that's gonna be a show now.

00:19:17.000 Someone's listening going, give me a pen!

00:19:19.000 Quick! 1.00

00:19:20.000 Write that down!

00:19:21.000 Jeb has to go into the Yukon and find some gold while he shoots a moose for survival to sell in his dad's pawn shop.

00:19:28.000 And at the end of the show, it's a cooking contest!

00:19:32.000 They have a barbecue off!

00:19:33.000 And Kanye West is making guest appearance.

00:19:37.000 Dude, I watched one of those barbecue shows.

00:19:39.000 I was hooked instantly. 0.99

00:19:41.000 I was like, how the fuck am I going to get hooked by a barbecue show? 0.99

00:19:44.000 Just a bunch of guys barbecuing. 0.99

00:19:46.000 I'm like, this is going to be boring.

00:19:48.000 They're not going to get me.

00:19:49.000 Meanwhile, they got me.

00:19:50.000 I was there for the whole episode.

00:19:51.000 It was one of those back-to-back deals where they showed like two or three episodes in a row. 1.00

00:19:54.000 I watched three of those fucking things. 1.00

00:19:56.000 Three fucking shows where guys are trying to make the perfect brisket. 1.00

00:19:59.000 But there's no secrets given out, I'm sure. 1.00

00:20:03.000 You're no better of a barbecuer.

00:20:05.000 No.

00:20:05.000 Well, you know what the best way to do it is?

00:20:07.000 Pellet grills.

00:20:08.000 That's one thing I realized.

00:20:09.000 Really?

00:20:10.000 Yeah, a lot of those big-time barbecue competitions, they use pellet grills now.

00:20:14.000 Because pellet grills, if you don't know what I'm talking about, pellet grills use real hardwood, but...

00:20:21.000 So if you buy a table like this, they have to saw it.

00:20:24.000 When they saw it, they take the sawdust.

00:20:26.000 You ever use one?

00:20:27.000 You ever use a pellet grill?

00:20:28.000 No.

00:20:29.000 I've got like a pellet stove.

00:20:30.000 Is it the same thing?

00:20:31.000 No, it's like a fireplace, but it uses like compacted pellets.

00:20:34.000 Yeah, well they're real similar.

00:20:36.000 They use these, it looks like a little cylinder.

00:20:40.000 Little tiny cylinders that are compressed sawdust.

00:20:44.000 And the natural sugars in the wood is the only thing that keeps it together.

00:20:47.000 Like if you take it with your fingers, you can break it up.

00:20:49.000 Okay.

00:20:58.000 Okay.

00:21:11.000 Like, plus or minus one or two degrees.

00:21:13.000 It's really good.

00:21:14.000 And, like, a bucket, like the hopper, which is filled, like, say, looks like maybe a five or ten gallon bucket, will last for days.

00:21:22.000 It's amazingly efficient.

00:21:24.000 I have a Yoder.

00:21:26.000 But they have Green Mountain Grills, one I had too, which is really good, and they're fairly inexpensive.

00:21:32.000 And you can barbecue on those things, slow cook, and that's what it looks like.

00:21:36.000 See that hopper?

00:21:36.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:37.000 Yeah, it's just like a pellet stove or whatever.

00:21:40.000 So you see how it works there with the worm drive?

00:21:43.000 Worm drive feeds it into the fire, and then it slowly cooks.

00:21:47.000 That's cool.

00:21:48.000 Oh, dude, it's amazing.

00:21:49.000 So it's like cooking on wood, but you don't have to deal with wood.

00:21:52.000 Exactly.

00:21:53.000 It's all wood.

00:21:54.000 There's no chemicals whatsoever.

00:21:56.000 And you get that smoky taste to the meat, too.

00:21:59.000 It's really nice.

00:22:00.000 I grill on it.

00:22:01.000 I have a Yoder.

00:22:02.000 That I really like because it has an option for direct heat where you crank it up and the fire gets really high and then you put those grill grates down.

00:22:12.000 I remove this heat diffusion plate for slow cooking.

00:22:18.000 You take that out and then the fire goes right under the grill grates.

00:22:20.000 It's amazing for steaks, for anything.

00:22:23.000 That's awesome.

00:22:24.000 Yeah, it's great.

00:22:24.000 Yeah, because I love cooking over wood.

00:22:27.000 Except I've got, like, three cords of wood stacked down in front of the cabin.

00:22:30.000 Oh, do you?

00:22:31.000 Yeah.

00:22:32.000 I'm wood rich.

00:22:33.000 Do you do, like, smoking with, like, a real smoker, like, where you have to feed the logs and make sure the temperature stays steady?

00:22:40.000 No, the smoker, I do the, you know, glass door, easy thermometer on it.

00:22:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:45.000 Set it and forget it, George Foreman style.

00:22:49.000 George Foreman style.

00:22:50.000 Do they have a George Foreman smoker?

00:22:51.000 I don't know.

00:22:52.000 They should.

00:22:52.000 They will now.

00:22:53.000 Yeah, I had one that I used that was like, what is that one company that makes a lot of like smoking and hunting style stuff and they make vacuum sealers.

00:23:06.000 Weston?

00:23:06.000 Yes, Weston.

00:23:07.000 I had a Weston smoker.

00:23:08.000 We had to add wood chips to it.

00:23:10.000 It was kind of, it was fairly like self...

00:23:15.000 Yeah, that's the kind I use.

00:23:16.000 Yeah, you throw them in the bottom and turn it on.

00:23:18.000 That was okay. 0.94

00:23:18.000 But once I started fucking around with that Green Mountain Grill, I gave up on that completely. 0.94

00:23:22.000 I'm like, oh, this is so much easier. 0.98

00:23:24.000 And it's just as good.

00:23:25.000 It wasn't like there was any benefit to doing it the other way.

00:23:31.000 But I think there is something about a real wood smoker.

00:23:35.000 Like when I watch those barbecue competitions...

00:23:38.000 There's something about figuring out how much to open up that little door to make the air go in just enough to keep that temperature steady, and they're checking out.

00:23:48.000 There's something that men do with fire. 0.97

00:23:52.000 There's some weird thing, like if you're at a fire, like a campfire, and you're hanging around with a bunch of people, like a guy who can make a fire good, you're like, oh, you fucking nailed it. 0.79

00:24:03.000 Look at that.

00:24:04.000 It has a good fire.

00:24:05.000 And you're all sitting around.

00:24:07.000 It's like there's something about men and fire that just goes right to your DNA. Oh, yeah.

00:24:12.000 I always say, because I do a lot of hunting alone, and you might be in a random...

00:24:16.000 I was in Africa one time, just by myself, and you hear these noises you've never heard before, and as soon as you get that fire going...

00:24:24.000 It's just a comforting feeling.

00:24:26.000 I think it's just like, it's a primal thing that you know if you have a fire you're going to survive through the night, whether it's cold or whatever.

00:24:33.000 That fire is just our safety system.

00:24:37.000 Most likely.

00:24:37.000 And you see it and you're like, oh, I feel more comfortable.

00:24:39.000 Yeah.

00:24:40.000 Yeah, it's good.

00:24:41.000 Ranella, when he was here, he was here a couple weeks ago, and as he was here, he got a text from his friend that they had just taken this kid out, like I think he's 18 years old, on his first hunt ever.

00:24:54.000 While he's in a tent, he gets attacked by a 500 pound predatory black bear.

00:24:59.000 He wakes up to this bear biting his head.

00:25:02.000 He's screaming, his friend rushes in, shoots the bear, But it goes through the bear and shatters his elbow. 1.00

00:25:09.000 So he gets shot in the fucking elbow. 0.99

00:25:11.000 The bear runs out of that tent into another tent where this other guy shoots it three times with a shotgun and then kills it. 1.00

00:25:18.000 Wow.

00:25:19.000 Where was this at?

00:25:20.000 Alaska.

00:25:21.000 A black bear.

00:25:22.000 Yeah.

00:25:23.000 First ever hunt.

00:25:24.000 His kid's on and he wakes up, his head getting eaten by a 500 pound black bear.

00:25:29.000 That's a bad day. 1.00

00:25:32.000 Big fucking black bear, too. 0.99

00:25:34.000 You know, you're like, man, I hope I don't get bit by a spider tonight. 1.00

00:25:38.000 In your tent.

00:25:40.000 No, no, it's a bear.

00:25:41.000 This camping stuff's pretty cool.

00:25:43.000 We're out here in nature?

00:25:44.000 Yeah.

00:25:44.000 Getting one...

00:25:45.000 Stop biting your fucking head. 1.00

00:25:48.000 Owie. 1.00

00:25:50.000 That's got to suck. 0.99

00:25:51.000 I guess his head was, like, near the door. 0.99

00:25:54.000 I mean, that's the only thing I could think of.

00:25:55.000 His head was, like, near the door, and he left the...

00:25:58.000 Get a little air in here.

00:25:59.000 Zip.

00:26:00.000 You know, with the vestibule open or whatever.

00:26:03.000 You know what's dope?

00:26:03.000 I've never used one, but I would love it.

00:26:06.000 Have you ever seen those campers that they have on top of your roof, like a tent?

00:26:10.000 Do you have one of those?

00:26:12.000 No, I've got my truck set up with the camper shell, and then I've got a shelf in there, and I've got it all set up for traveling.

00:26:19.000 Do you use a Toyota Land Cruiser?

00:26:21.000 Is that what you use?

00:26:21.000 No.

00:26:22.000 In New Zealand, I use a Toyota, but here I've got a Ford F-150.

00:26:27.000 And have you completely set it up just for hunting?

00:26:30.000 And can you sleep in it?

00:26:31.000 Yeah, I can sleep in the back, so when I'm on the road, I've got the side open up.

00:26:37.000 It's like a camper shell on it, and then the side lifts up, and I've got a shelf in there.

00:26:42.000 I'm getting aggressive.

00:26:44.000 Bears! 0.65

00:26:45.000 I've got a shelf in there so I can kind of sleep underneath and keep stuff up top.

00:26:51.000 And then I've got a roof rack and the whole deal.

00:26:54.000 Yeah, because what I first found out about you was from that show, Solo Hunter.

00:26:59.000 And you went on these cool adventures. 0.83

00:27:00.000 I was like, wow, that must be fucking fun to do. 0.97

00:27:04.000 So much fun. 0.97

00:27:04.000 Because you're doing these crazy hunts where you're backpacking out deep, deep, deep into the woods by yourself. 0.97

00:27:12.000 And there's this real element of danger to doing that.

00:27:15.000 Because if you fall, snap an ankle or something like that, like, man, there's no one to call.

00:27:21.000 You've got to get out of there on your own.

00:27:23.000 No one's going to find you.

00:27:24.000 Right.

00:27:24.000 I remember that there was one episode where you slept inside this ancient Indian structure, this ancient Native American structure that you found in Nevada.

00:27:33.000 And I was like, that has got to be one of the fucking coolest things you could ever do. 0.65

00:27:38.000 Oh yeah, it was pretty cool. 0.89

00:27:39.000 You know, I find all kinds of cool places.

00:27:41.000 There's a place in New Zealand that I like to go now that I found it's just a rock you can crawl under and sleep.

00:27:45.000 And then you don't have to bring a tent, you just got your sleeping bag and stuff.

00:27:48.000 That's your spot?

00:27:48.000 That's my spot, yeah.

00:27:50.000 I like to go light, so I try to...

00:27:51.000 We're good to go.

00:28:05.000 I'm like way overweight.

00:28:06.000 Now when you do that, when you do this in this show, this is a different show, it's called Solo Hunter.

00:28:12.000 When you do that, you film everything.

00:28:14.000 You film the setup, you film the actual shot, you film yourself drawing back, you film all this different stuff.

00:28:22.000 Who puts it all together?

00:28:23.000 Do you send it to Tim and Tim Burnett?

00:28:26.000 He puts it together?

00:28:26.000 Yeah.

00:28:27.000 Do you call him up and be like, dude, your editing sucks. 0.96

00:28:29.000 You missed my favorite close-up. 0.84

00:28:31.000 Yeah, actually, I do.

00:28:33.000 Picture me looking whimsical out at the mountain, glassy in the distance.

00:28:36.000 I spent an hour getting that shot when I walked four ridges over.

00:28:39.000 It was four miles away.

00:28:40.000 I used my entire battery.

00:28:41.000 You didn't use it.

00:28:43.000 Do you give him notes?

00:28:45.000 I try to, yeah.

00:28:47.000 We just kind of fly by the seat of our pants on that one sometimes.

00:28:50.000 I mean, it's...

00:28:53.000 Yeah, I just kind of give him the footage. 0.87

00:28:55.000 He sits down and watches everything, which some of it is just ridiculous. 0.98

00:28:58.000 I think if he put together a montage of just the ridiculous shit that I've said, done, filmed, and he's like, why did you do that? 0.99

00:29:05.000 This is one of my all-time favorite shows. 0.98

00:29:07.000 One of the reasons why is when you're solo out there, there's a sense that you get that I feel like I'm with you.

00:29:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:18.000 If you go hunting, say if I'm on Meat Eater or something like that, Maybe it's because I know, but it's like you're really aware that Steve has a crew.

00:29:28.000 There's a production crew, there's PAs, there's guys that are carrying stuff, there's interns, there's, you know, like when we would go hunt, there would be like two guys with cameras that would be following us around.

00:29:39.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:29:40.000 Like when I'm by myself, I run, the other thing I do is I try to do everything like what I call like live spine, live stream.

00:29:47.000 So It's more important for me to get the footage of what's going on than actually have things work out, I guess, and be successful.

00:29:56.000 And so, I mean, I've got two cameras and I try to set things up and it's really tough, but it's so much, it's like you're right there because there's no filter.

00:30:06.000 You see everything that's going on.

00:30:08.000 Yeah.

00:30:08.000 You might see a camera in a shot, and you might see this other stuff, but it's all...

00:30:12.000 Like, that's what it's like to be out there by yourself, I guess.

00:30:15.000 Yeah, well, there's this weird feeling of connection to nature that you get on your show that I don't think you get in that depth on other shows, because I know you're by yourself.

00:30:26.000 Like, I feel like this sort of element of solitude and kind of danger.

00:30:31.000 When you're talking to the camera, you're just talking to yourself.

00:30:33.000 Yeah.

00:30:34.000 There's nobody there.

00:30:35.000 No one there.

00:30:36.000 Imaginary people. 0.68

00:30:37.000 You're trying to figure out how to sneak up on some big bedded mule deer, and you're trying to put it all together, and at the same time you're filming it, which has got to make it twice as hard, right?

00:30:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:46.000 Now it's like...

00:30:47.000 I think it's kind of one of those things you hear hunters that are maybe rifle hunting, and then they get into bow hunting because of the challenge or whatever.

00:30:54.000 And then once I started filming things, I thought, this is the challenge.

00:30:58.000 Like, that's...

00:30:59.000 It's so unbelievably hard, but...

00:31:03.000 For me, it's exciting and fun.

00:31:05.000 It's a new element to add to the hunt.

00:31:08.000 Now, it's almost hard not to...

00:31:10.000 Like, if I go out by myself, even if I know I'm not going to use it for solo hunters or whatever, I still film it myself.

00:31:15.000 I don't know why.

00:31:16.000 So you always film now?

00:31:17.000 Yeah, I do.

00:31:18.000 Wow. 1.00

00:31:19.000 You're like a porn star who takes your work home with them. 1.00

00:31:21.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.98

00:31:23.000 I mean, there was one hunt that I did recently.

00:31:26.000 I'm trying to get away from it.

00:31:27.000 Just hunt more like I used to.

00:31:29.000 But I don't know if there's that element of you feel like you almost cheated it.

00:31:35.000 Because you didn't capture it?

00:31:36.000 Or, yeah, it became not too easy, but you would go back and think, I could have filmed that.

00:31:43.000 You know what I saw recently?

00:31:44.000 Fuse has a stabilizer that you put on your bow that is a camera.

00:31:50.000 Yeah.

00:31:50.000 Have you ever used one of those?

00:31:51.000 No.

00:31:52.000 Some of the places I hunt, it's illegal to have electronic devices attached to the bow.

00:31:57.000 And for like...

00:31:59.000 I just refrain from putting electronic equipment on my bow.

00:32:03.000 I won't even put the GoPro...

00:32:05.000 I might get a shot or two with the GoPro on a bow depending on where I'm at, but...

00:32:10.000 So it would be illegal to have a GoPro on the bow, but you could probably have it on your head?

00:32:15.000 Yeah, it's a gray area in some places.

00:32:18.000 Because it's not like an electronic aid, like a sight light.

00:32:22.000 I think a lot of states have rewritten...

00:32:25.000 The definition because people wanted to put cameras and things on their equipment, but I don't know.

00:32:31.000 So the idea was that archery is supposed to be more difficult and any sort of electronic gadget that you would add that would make it easier would be an unfair advantage and it wouldn't make archery season a little easier and archery season is supposed to be tougher.

00:32:45.000 Is that the idea behind it?

00:32:46.000 Yeah, I think so. 1.00

00:32:47.000 What they would need to do is stop this crossbow shit. 1.00

00:32:49.000 Using a crossbow during archery season, those are two totally different things. 0.99

00:32:54.000 Yeah, that's a more recent development.

00:32:58.000 That might as well be a rifle.

00:32:59.000 I mean, it's a short-range rifle.

00:33:01.000 Yeah, it's a short-range rifle.

00:33:02.000 I mean, you have a scope.

00:33:03.000 You could rest it on something.

00:33:05.000 I mean, you could rest it on a tripod, like a rifle.

00:33:09.000 To be honest, though, I think most compound bows are a lot more accurate and better than crossbows.

00:33:15.000 Really?

00:33:15.000 The ones I've shot, yeah.

00:33:17.000 That's interesting.

00:33:18.000 Well, maybe it's because you're a really good shot, too.

00:33:19.000 No.

00:33:20.000 I mean, I've taken guys out that I've never hunted with a crossbow, but not that I have anything against them, but I feel like they just weren't as effective as a regular bow.

00:33:30.000 Hmm.

00:33:31.000 Do you not watch The Walking Dead?

00:33:33.000 Oh, well, in that case, when you're hunting zombies and elk are completely different.

00:33:38.000 For sure crossbow. 0.56

00:33:41.000 You know what drives me nuts about watching that on that show?

00:33:43.000 I'm like, how is he not getting pass-throughs?

00:33:45.000 He's shooting these mushy zombie heads, and he can pull the arrow out every time. 1.00

00:33:49.000 That shit should be blowing right through that mushy zombie head. 1.00

00:33:53.000 My question is, how does he load the... 1.00

00:33:54.000 Have you ever tried pulling a crossbow back? 1.00

00:33:56.000 It's a pain in the ass! 0.98

00:33:56.000 Yeah, they're like 300-pound pull, and your fingers are going to get caught, so you need a special device to draw the crossbow. 0.98

00:34:01.000 I bet that device is...

00:34:03.000 I think that would slow you down in killing zombies.

00:34:05.000 I think you're right. 1.00

00:34:07.000 He never reloads on the fucking show. 0.99

00:34:09.000 It's just always loaded. 1.00

00:34:10.000 It's an automatic crossbow.

00:34:12.000 In which case, superior weapon of choice.

00:34:15.000 One of them that I saw recently had these handles built into it.

00:34:22.000 Where you pull the handles out, they're on drawstrings, and then you hook the handles to the cord, the string, and then you pull it back with that and then latch it in place.

00:34:32.000 But I was like, why would I do this?

00:34:33.000 This is not as good as a bow.

00:34:35.000 I was like, not only that, I could put another arrow on a bow.

00:34:38.000 Like, when I shot my elk, I shot it, I hit it once, and then it didn't know what happened.

00:34:43.000 It blew right through it.

00:34:44.000 It didn't even know we were there. 0.99

00:34:45.000 It was like, what the fuck is going on? 0.98

00:34:47.000 And within five seconds, I had another arrow on it. 0.99

00:34:49.000 Yeah.

00:34:50.000 If it was a crossbow, I would have been like, hold up, I gotta get this.

00:34:52.000 You gotta get your crank out.

00:34:55.000 Yeah, those are cool, like those old ones that they used to have.

00:34:58.000 When you see, like, when they first invented them, and there was like a stick that was like a lever that was holding it back, and it worked on this sort of a locking mechanism, and tunk!

00:35:08.000 And they would shoot these bolts, like in Game of Thrones style, like those type of crossbows.

00:35:13.000 But even them, that's slower.

00:35:15.000 It's way slower than a regular...

00:35:17.000 I don't see them as a...

00:35:18.000 If you've ever tried to carry...

00:35:20.000 It's not made for walking around.

00:35:23.000 It's the most awkward thing to carry on the planet.

00:35:26.000 Think of a gun that's got like a bow going the opposite direction.

00:35:30.000 It makes a giant... 0.99

00:35:31.000 It's ridiculous. 0.95

00:35:33.000 Yeah, it's a big T. There's no effective way to carry it. 0.96

00:35:36.000 I think it's just...

00:35:37.000 I don't know what the deal is with them.

00:35:39.000 How long before someone makes a crossbow that is in homage to Jesus, where it's a big cross, an actual cross, crossbow?

00:35:47.000 And a bow.

00:35:47.000 Yeah.

00:35:48.000 So you could, like, after you kill an animal, you could put it in the ground and go through the motions.

00:35:53.000 There was one crossbow.

00:35:56.000 Crossbows can get the most interesting names, too, because there was one crossbow.

00:35:59.000 It was called the penetrator.

00:36:01.000 Yeah.

00:36:04.000 Settle down, buddy.

00:36:06.000 Me and my brother, a friend of ours is a photographer, and he needed some models.

00:36:10.000 So me and my brother went out, and so my brother was like the face of the zombie.

00:36:13.000 We were like, oh man, hopefully it's the penetrator.

00:36:17.000 He needed models for his crossbow.

00:36:19.000 Because no one wanted to be the face of the penetrator.

00:36:23.000 The Penetrator. 1.00

00:36:24.000 What a fucking stupid name. 1.00

00:36:26.000 Yeah, they have to have new... 1.00

00:36:27.000 Well, every time bows come out every year, like Hoyt just came out with their new 2016 line of bows, and they have to come out with new names, you know?

00:36:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:36:36.000 But after a while, you run out of fucking verbs. 0.99

00:36:40.000 You run out of adjectives. 0.99

00:36:41.000 You run out of letters to combine together, like...

00:36:45.000 What's a nitrum?

00:36:47.000 I don't know what a nitrum is.

00:36:48.000 Hoyt nitrum.

00:36:49.000 What is that?

00:36:50.000 It's gotta be something awesome.

00:36:53.000 Why don't they just call it the 2016?

00:36:57.000 That's not a bad...

00:36:58.000 Yeah, just like a truck.

00:36:59.000 Same model, just different year.

00:37:03.000 Yeah, F-150.

00:37:04.000 2016 F-150.

00:37:05.000 There's no confusion there.

00:37:07.000 It's not the 2016 penetrator.

00:37:08.000 No.

00:37:09.000 I went...

00:37:10.000 The Dominator.

00:37:11.000 Compound bows, making compound bows is...

00:37:13.000 You think it's just like a bow.

00:37:15.000 It's like a simple...

00:37:16.000 I don't know, like a simple device.

00:37:18.000 Yet the amount of engineering that goes into these bows is crazy.

00:37:23.000 I went to this deal, G5. It's like an archery company, and they also make these prime bows.

00:37:29.000 And I was talking, one of the engineers was kind of going over what it takes to build a boat.

00:37:36.000 And apparently, you really can't build two bows that are identical, that shoot identical.

00:37:42.000 Really?

00:37:42.000 Yeah, because the tolerances would have to be so minute, and so kind of everybody's goal, I think, is to just build two bows that are exact.

00:37:50.000 But they all, the way, because things are constantly moving, the limbs are flexing, and the risers are moving, and everything is just so, there's such a science behind a simple tool like a bow.

00:38:04.000 But when you start putting wheels and cams and all kinds of things on it, just the amount of engineering that goes into it is insane.

00:38:10.000 Yeah, well, the people say that it'll change based on what kind of strings you use.

00:38:13.000 Like, if you switch to winner's choice strings, it's like a real high-tolerance string, and some people prefer the strings that it comes with, and guys will switch back and forth, and adjust their draw length by a quarter of an inch at a time, and monkey around.

00:38:29.000 You can geek out on that stuff if you really want to.

00:38:31.000 I always just kind of get it how I like, and...

00:38:36.000 Leave it alone.

00:38:37.000 Do you get a new bow every year?

00:38:39.000 I do, yeah.

00:38:39.000 Everybody does.

00:38:40.000 That's the problem.

00:38:41.000 That's the worst.

00:38:43.000 Well, it's so different than rifles.

00:38:44.000 It is.

00:38:45.000 By the time you get used to it, it's something new.

00:38:48.000 Yeah, if you have a 10-year-old rifle, that thing's perfect.

00:38:51.000 You can name it.

00:38:53.000 Yeah.

00:38:53.000 It's Betsy.

00:38:54.000 It's old Betsy. 0.99

00:38:54.000 Hannah. 0.99

00:38:54.000 Hannah's my rifle, yeah. 0.99

00:38:56.000 The nitrum's out.

00:38:57.000 The new one's in, you know? 1.00

00:38:58.000 Like, fuck. 1.00

00:39:00.000 Because new bows come out every year, and they'll just have, like, just a little bit more power. 1.00

00:39:04.000 Just a little bit more speed.

00:39:06.000 Just a little bit more this, a little bit more...

00:39:07.000 I can't imagine needing it in some ways, you know?

00:39:12.000 Because, like, think of a guy like Cam Haynes, who kills, like...

00:39:17.000 Everything.

00:39:18.000 With a bow.

00:39:19.000 I mean he killed, this year he killed I think three elk, a moose, two deer, two grizzly bears, two grizzly bears.

00:39:28.000 Two black bears, all with a bow.

00:39:30.000 Wow.

00:39:30.000 All with the same bow.

00:39:32.000 I mean, that bow obviously works.

00:39:33.000 Yeah.

00:39:34.000 Like, you don't need a new bow, dude.

00:39:35.000 No.

00:39:36.000 But the new one's come out, bam, you got to get a new one.

00:39:38.000 You know, he's sponsored by Hoyt, so they sent him the new one right away, and he's got to get it tuned in and got to put the new site on.

00:39:44.000 Oh, this new one is the thing.

00:39:45.000 This new one is the thing.

00:39:46.000 What's wrong with the old one?

00:39:47.000 He killed everything with that old one.

00:39:49.000 But it's these extra few feet per second that you can get with the new one.

00:39:53.000 The extra forgiveness of the accuracy of the bow.

00:39:59.000 People who have never shot a compound bow have no idea how fun it is.

00:40:05.000 Just shooting targets is so...

00:40:08.000 It's relaxing.

00:40:09.000 It's a fun...

00:40:10.000 It's a fun thing to do.

00:40:11.000 Because you can't be thinking about anything else.

00:40:13.000 Yes, exactly.

00:40:14.000 I've noticed, like, if I'm out there and I'm thinking about a lot of things, when you think about things, your eyes...

00:40:19.000 They always say when somebody's lying, their eyes move up and to the right or whatever.

00:40:23.000 But when you're thinking...

00:40:24.000 It's the same thing.

00:40:24.000 If you're thinking about your day's work and whatever, your eyes shift and then you aren't looking through the sight right and you...

00:40:32.000 Yeah, you miss.

00:40:33.000 Yeah, all the things...

00:40:35.000 When you're shooting a bow, it really is like a form of meditation in a lot of ways.

00:40:42.000 For people that are listening to this, if you have no desire ever to hunt, you might be a vegetarian and no desire to eat meat, just try archery for fun.

00:40:50.000 You know, it is a really fun, rewarding discipline because it does something.

00:40:56.000 It's like a form of meditation.

00:40:58.000 When you are locked onto that site or locked onto that target, rather, And everything has to be perfectly aligned and then you release that arrow and then it soars and thunk!

00:41:10.000 Right into the bulls like, ugh!

00:41:12.000 It's the most rewarding feeling.

00:41:14.000 It is.

00:41:14.000 It's weird.

00:41:14.000 It's boga.

00:41:15.000 Yeah!

00:41:16.000 It's like, uh...

00:41:17.000 Yeah, it's a...

00:41:18.000 You gotta be focused and practice and...

00:41:21.000 It's a cool sport.

00:41:22.000 I think there's something in our DNA with archery too.

00:41:25.000 I really think there's something because for thousands of years that was the best weapon that people had for hunting.

00:41:32.000 And I think those people survived.

00:41:34.000 And they survived by hunting with a bow.

00:41:38.000 So I think every human being that's alive has the echo of that DNA in their system, the echo of the memories of the people that survived by arrowing a deer and then the whole family got to eat. 0.99

00:41:50.000 Whereas if you didn't, you didn't fucking eat.

00:41:53.000 I mean, when bows were the only things that you had, the feeling that they must have had when they were trying to survive thousands of years before everybody even bothered writing things down, and they released that arrow and it thunk. 0.97

00:42:06.000 Right into the heart of an animal and you knew you were eating now. 0.99

00:42:09.000 You're probably fucking starving when you shot it. 1.00

00:42:12.000 I think that's in our system. 1.00

00:42:14.000 I think even if you don't want to hunt and you have no desire to kill an animal, it's way better than shooting it.

00:42:21.000 If you shoot a three-pointer, it's kind of cool, but it's nothing like an arrow going into a target.

00:42:27.000 It's accentuated multi-times or multi-fold for whatever reason.

00:42:33.000 When I first started shooting a bow, I was just a kid, and I didn't know anybody that had bows, but I'd watch this guy, his name was Byron Ferguson, and his whole thing was just be the arrow.

00:42:44.000 Instinctive shooting was just a long bow.

00:42:47.000 And, but I mean, there...

00:42:49.000 It was the only advice that I had to shoot a bow was be the arrow.

00:42:53.000 What's that mean as a child?

00:42:55.000 Be the arrow.

00:42:56.000 But I would go out in the backyard and he was a trick shooter. 0.98

00:42:58.000 He'd throw a ring up and shoot through the ring and shoot like aspirin off his wife's head. 1.00

00:43:04.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:43:04.000 What? 0.99

00:43:05.000 Not off her head, but like throw up aspirin and shoot. 1.00

00:43:08.000 She would shoot an aspirin? 1.00

00:43:09.000 Yeah.

00:43:10.000 He would actually hit an aspirin.

00:43:11.000 Shoot an aspirin in the air. 0.99

00:43:11.000 With an arrow. 0.99

00:43:12.000 Yeah.

00:43:13.000 That's incredible.

00:43:13.000 I think the guy has to be one of the best shots in the world.

00:43:15.000 Wow.

00:43:16.000 And it was with a recurve or a longbow?

00:43:17.000 A longbow.

00:43:18.000 Wow.

00:43:19.000 But his philosophy is just be the arrow.

00:43:23.000 Just shoot how it feels.

00:43:26.000 It kind of makes sense if you get to a certain point.

00:43:28.000 I guess probably a tennis player must get to that point, too, where you have the same racket for so long, and you know the weight of a ball, and you kind of know where the ball's going because you hit it so many times.

00:43:40.000 You've done that motion so many times that if you watch Roger Federer or some of the great tennis players, they must have a feel for where that ball's going that far surpasses what a guy like me who never plays tennis could ever be able to understand.

00:43:54.000 Because I think there's a certain point where your brain doesn't work fast enough for the situation.

00:44:01.000 So that's where our instincts kick in.

00:44:03.000 Whenever we...

00:44:14.000 Yeah, that data has to already be inside you, right?

00:44:18.000 Well, that's the thing about instinctive shooting with a bow that doesn't have a sight, like a longbow or recurve.

00:44:24.000 They just kind of know where the arrow's going.

00:44:27.000 They're not range-finding.

00:44:28.000 Right.

00:44:30.000 That's got to be weird, too, because you've got to use the same weight arrows over and over and over again.

00:44:34.000 If you're really using traditional equipment, you're using wooden arrows.

00:44:38.000 Yeah.

00:44:39.000 Very inconsistent.

00:44:40.000 Very inconsistent.

00:44:41.000 They could vary by several grams each arrow, and pfft.

00:44:45.000 That's a big difference in how far it's gonna fly, how it's gonna fly. 0.73

00:44:49.000 Can't really reuse the arrows too much, or the blades get dull, the feathers get fucked up. 0.85

00:44:54.000 Yeah, the feathers get messed up. 0.81

00:44:55.000 Yeah.

00:44:56.000 You seen that guy on YouTube that does all that crazy archery trick shot stuff and he carries the arrows in his fingers?

00:45:04.000 No.

00:45:05.000 You've never seen him?

00:45:06.000 Uh-uh.

00:45:06.000 The dude can shoot, like, three times in the air before he hits the ground.

00:45:11.000 Like, he'll jump off something and go, and he can shoot.

00:45:14.000 Like, he holds the arrows in his fingers.

00:45:18.000 And some people try to discredit him. 0.99

00:45:21.000 I've watched the discrediting him, and I think they're fucking bitter. 0.98

00:45:24.000 I think they're jealous. 0.96

00:45:25.000 He's just good. 0.98

00:45:26.000 What he's doing is fucking amazing. 0.94

00:45:29.000 I mean, unless he's using CGI and faking all of it, what he's doing is amazing. 0.99

00:45:35.000 And I think these bitter bitches need to just get their own attention some other way. 1.00

00:45:39.000 But they're... 0.99

00:45:40.000 What he's done is he's found a way to mimic what he believes is the ancient way of holding arrows.

00:45:47.000 He believes they held them in their fingers, and then they would just be able to reload, like, really quickly.

00:45:53.000 They developed, like, very good finger dexterity, whereas we always think of it as, like, a quiver, and you reach back, pull one out of the quiver, and he's like, that takes too much time.

00:46:01.000 And he thinks that this is the guy. 0.99

00:46:03.000 Like, check this shit out. 1.00

00:46:05.000 Like, watch this. 1.00

00:46:07.000 Like, watch how he's holding it.

00:46:12.000 That's one where he's just got it. 0.99

00:46:14.000 He's throwing a fucking tab of a beer and hitting it. 0.99

00:46:24.000 But he does a lot of jumping. 1.00

00:46:27.000 First of all, this guy looks like he's never even heard a pussy. 1.00

00:46:33.000 That was his favorite clip. 1.00

00:46:34.000 He's like, I shot the head off a plastic bear.

00:46:36.000 Yeah.

00:46:37.000 Well, he throws his bow in the air and he can do it really quickly.

00:46:41.000 These are not as impressive as the ones where he holds multiple arrows in his hands.

00:46:47.000 But it is pretty cool.

00:46:48.000 Yeah, it's pretty cool.

00:46:49.000 He can do it in the right hand or the left hand.

00:46:55.000 He's bowing the right hand and the left hand.

00:46:57.000 Like this is, you can't disprove this.

00:46:59.000 I mean this is, this guy is actually a very, here's one where he's got multiple arrows.

00:47:04.000 He's got two arrows in his hand.

00:47:05.000 Watch this.

00:47:06.000 One, two.

00:47:09.000 Oh, that's a different one.

00:47:11.000 That was one, he sliced an arrow in half with a knife. 0.52

00:47:15.000 He grabs the arrow and shoots it before he hits the ground.

00:47:21.000 Don't try this at home.

00:47:22.000 He's catching arrows? 0.99

00:47:23.000 Oh, he's got a weak-ass bow. 0.99

00:47:26.000 He's a little child's bow. 1.00

00:47:28.000 But he does all this crazy trick shot.

00:47:31.000 See, there you see him holding multiple arrows in between his fingers.

00:47:36.000 That's cool.

00:47:37.000 His name is Lars something or another.

00:47:39.000 It's pretty accurate, too, it looks like.

00:47:41.000 Yeah, very accurate.

00:47:43.000 See, look at that.

00:47:44.000 See how he's holding them? 1.00

00:47:45.000 He's having drinks with people and shooting them in the face. 0.96

00:47:47.000 He's imagining himself in the Old West. 0.77

00:47:49.000 See, this is their arrows in a quiver, and now look, he holds them in his hand.

00:47:55.000 But now this is his style in the draw hand.

00:47:59.000 See how they used to do that?

00:48:01.000 Like these are some ancient hieroglyphs.

00:48:03.000 They showed some ancient photos.

00:48:05.000 They showed them holding the arrows in their hands as they shot.

00:48:08.000 And so he's trying to recapture this old way of doing archery.

00:48:13.000 That's cool.

00:48:14.000 Yeah, archery's fascinating, man.

00:48:17.000 It's just a fascinating thing that someone figured out a long time ago, that you could attach a string to a stick, and if you pull that stick back, it's got energy that goes...

00:48:28.000 It throws it forward. 0.99

00:48:28.000 ...wants it to go back the way it came, and if you put another stick on that string, you can kill some shit. 0.99

00:48:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:35.000 That's a...

00:48:36.000 It's been around for a long time, and it's effective still.

00:48:40.000 Yeah.

00:48:41.000 Well, guys like Cam Haynes, he only hunts with a bow, and he's like, rifle hunting's just not fun, and I don't enjoy it.

00:48:49.000 He's like, I have to get...

00:48:50.000 I can be really far away, barely see the thing, lay it on a rock, look through the scope, squeeze the trigger, and the animal's dead.

00:48:58.000 He's like, it's just the amount of thrill and the amount of skill involved is just so much less that for him, it's just...

00:49:06.000 It's not worth doing.

00:49:07.000 Yeah, I enjoy bow hunting a lot.

00:49:10.000 I also enjoy rifle hunting, though.

00:49:12.000 I kind of didn't rifle hunt for a long time, and then once I started filming my own hunts, I was like, hmm, I might just pick up this rifle and make it.

00:49:19.000 And it's just as hard as...

00:49:20.000 I mean, it depends where you're hunting, too, because when I go on a rifle hunt, a lot of times I'm going into a place that is so hard to hunt Even sometimes just getting there is a challenge and then finding one animal is a challenge.

00:49:35.000 Right.

00:49:35.000 And then getting to where you could shoot that animal and then taking it with a rifle.

00:49:39.000 And I've been on a lot of bow hunts that are a thousand times easier than many of the rifle hunts I've done.

00:49:45.000 So there's kind of a thought where a lot of times I'll go on a hunt and take a rifle, not because it makes it easier or it might...

00:49:55.000 It wouldn't be impossible with a bow, but it's...

00:49:58.000 It's just, it's so challenging in the first place that the challenge is there.

00:50:02.000 Well, you're doing it in a completely different way than anybody else, because as you said, you're filming pretty much every hunt.

00:50:08.000 I mean, there's other hunts where I've gone on, and I haven't, you know, or might not be filming, but you go into an area with such low densities that you might have to walk 100 miles before you even see an animal.

00:50:20.000 Well, that was one of the episodes you did recently.

00:50:22.000 Was it a deer hunt?

00:50:23.000 Yeah.

00:50:24.000 You went on purpose to a low-density area.

00:50:28.000 Yeah, just because I was thinking, eh, no one else is going here.

00:50:32.000 So that's why you went, just because you knew you were going to be alone.

00:50:35.000 Yeah, it was going to be hard, and I thought, well, I'll just stick it out and see what happens.

00:50:38.000 There's one episode of Rinella's show where he went elk hunting, and everywhere they looked, there was hunters.

00:50:43.000 There was orange vests coming up this hill, going down that hill, going towards these elk, and I'm like, wow, that's a drag for two reasons.

00:50:51.000 One, because it becomes a competitive race to try to get to the elk first.

00:50:56.000 But also, too, you don't know these guys.

00:50:59.000 You don't know what...

00:51:01.000 What they're doing.

00:51:02.000 You don't know how squeezy they are, how trigger-happy they are.

00:51:08.000 Some guy got shot this year elk hunting with a bow in the leg, or some guy mistook him for an elk.

00:51:15.000 That's bad.

00:51:16.000 That's terrible.

00:51:17.000 If you mistake someone with a bow... 1.00

00:51:19.000 Yeah, like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

00:51:22.000 That guy's just shooting at everything. 1.00

00:51:24.000 Yeah, that's...

00:51:26.000 That's not normal.

00:51:28.000 No, no. 0.99

00:51:29.000 But with a rifle, a lot of weird shit can happen with people shooting shots they shouldn't make. 0.99

00:51:36.000 They don't know what's behind the animal. 0.99

00:51:38.000 They just take a chance to take a flyer.

00:51:42.000 When you have to take into account other people's ideas of safety, you have to take that into consideration.

00:51:48.000 It kind of ruins the whole idea of hunting.

00:51:50.000 Yeah, I like hunting animals that are acting as animals, not as animals that are acting as hunted animals.

00:51:56.000 I guess because it's two different...

00:51:58.000 It's a little more predictable in one sense, but you're in a natural environment hunting an animal as the animal exists.

00:52:06.000 And that, to me, is what it's all about.

00:52:09.000 I like to be out there a lot of times by myself and not see another person.

00:52:14.000 Yeah, there is a big difference between the way animals act when they're not hunted around people. 0.93

00:52:21.000 I was in Boulder and my wife and I were visiting this house, visiting these people, and we went to the backyard and this fucking giant mule deer in velvet is just walking straight towards us. 0.81

00:52:36.000 Just straight towards us. 0.99

00:52:38.000 And my wife's like, would you want to shoot that deer? 1.00

00:52:42.000 I'm like, I can never shoot that deer.

00:52:44.000 It's a habituated animal.

00:52:45.000 It's a pet.

00:52:46.000 That thing's coming right towards us.

00:52:48.000 Like, it wasn't even a little nervous.

00:52:50.000 It was just walking like this.

00:52:52.000 Looking us right in the eye.

00:52:54.000 A big-ass ten-pointer. 0.56

00:52:56.000 Like a big, old mule deer, too.

00:52:58.000 He was like, he's been in this town forever. 1.00

00:53:00.000 This is my town, bitch. 1.00

00:53:02.000 People aren't predators to him. 1.00

00:53:03.000 At all.

00:53:04.000 It's actually probably a food source.

00:53:05.000 He sees people when they throw apples out.

00:53:07.000 Probably, yeah.

00:53:09.000 At one point in time, we pulled over to the side of the road.

00:53:11.000 My girls have never seen...

00:53:13.000 They've seen deers in our yard before, but they've never seen a big buck just standing on the side of the road.

00:53:19.000 And we pulled over to the side of the road, and we got out of the car, and I said, well, I just want you to stay close to him because I don't think he'll do anything, but just in case, we'll stay on this side of the road, and he'll be on the other side.

00:53:28.000 We're just separated by the road, and he's just looking at us.

00:53:32.000 He just goes back to eating.

00:53:33.000 Doing his thing.

00:53:33.000 Just looking at us.

00:53:34.000 And they're like, that's so cool! 1.00

00:53:36.000 And he was like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:53:38.000 And then he bolted. 0.99

00:53:39.000 And he's like, I don't know what that noise is, but it sounds like a war cry.

00:53:42.000 Let me get out of here. 0.99

00:53:43.000 There's a five-year-old who wants to kill me.

00:53:45.000 But it's so strange when you see them when they're around people, because they become like squirrels.

00:53:50.000 You know, they just sort of hang out.

00:53:52.000 Yeah.

00:53:54.000 I don't know.

00:53:55.000 For me, part of hunting is just being in that place that's remote and wild and adventurous and a way to get away and be there by yourself and be in nature.

00:54:08.000 So, I mean, obviously there's places that you hunt that are closer, but also I think my thing is just kind of going to places that aren't private ranches, that aren't just real wild places and going in there and working hard and trying to hunt animals that may not have seen people.

00:54:24.000 Yeah, when you see something that hasn't seen a person or when there's just no people around, there's this weird moment when you lock eyes on them and you're seeing them and you don't have to exist.

00:54:38.000 They would be doing exactly that same thing whether or not you were ever born and you enter into their world.

00:54:45.000 And it's a very weird, I want to say like a transcendent experience.

00:54:50.000 Because you're in the wild.

00:54:51.000 You're in the real wild.

00:54:52.000 And you get the sense of that.

00:54:54.000 That these animals, they live there. 0.99

00:54:56.000 And they live there looking out for wolves or bears or whatever the fuck they're worried about. 0.99

00:55:02.000 It's not people they're worried about. 0.98

00:55:03.000 Yeah.

00:55:04.000 I think it's cool, too, because you see a different landscape than everybody else sees because, like, when you're hunting, you're never on a trail.

00:55:11.000 You're going cross-country through places that someone else would never have a reason to be there.

00:55:17.000 You know, so there's been a lot of places that I've been and sat down and thought, I wonder if anybody else has ever even been right here.

00:55:23.000 I mean, maybe they've been in this area, but has anyone ever been right here and why would they be here if they weren't hunting?

00:55:30.000 I was actually thinking about this the other day.

00:55:32.000 I was in a spot one time.

00:55:34.000 I backpacked in.

00:55:35.000 I was camping out.

00:55:39.000 Extremely remote place to start off.

00:55:41.000 Hiked in a long ways.

00:55:42.000 No humans around.

00:55:43.000 It was that thought, like, there's probably nobody that has been here.

00:55:47.000 And I set up camp for the night, and I had a bag of potato chips.

00:55:51.000 And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna eat these chips.

00:55:53.000 Open up the chips, and it's starting to get dark.

00:55:55.000 Eat a chip.

00:55:55.000 And I dropped one on the ground, and I'm setting up my tent, and a mouse runs out.

00:56:00.000 And grabs a potato chip and starts eating it.

00:56:03.000 How does that mouse know that it can eat potato chips?

00:56:07.000 That has perplexed me till this day.

00:56:09.000 Like, is that mouse born knowing that it can eat peanut oil fried potato chips?

00:56:16.000 That's a really good question.

00:56:19.000 It's beyond like, I can't figure that out.

00:56:22.000 I would think that would be a giant risk for them.

00:56:24.000 I would think so too.

00:56:25.000 Or why would it even think that that was food?

00:56:28.000 Because I was eating, I was like, this isn't, I'm like in the middle of nowhere and eating a bag of potato chips going, these are some energy, this isn't bad.

00:56:37.000 But it's not natural looking food.

00:56:40.000 It doesn't taste natural.

00:56:42.000 It probably doesn't smell like anything in the woods.

00:56:44.000 No, and I'm thinking this mouse has definitely never had human contact.

00:56:48.000 If you're in a town or something and you, I would just, yeah, pigeons eat things.

00:56:52.000 They know it's food.

00:56:53.000 They've seen other animals eat that food.

00:56:55.000 How did this mouse know that it could eat potato chips?

00:56:58.000 That's a very good question.

00:56:59.000 I would like to talk to a mouse expert.

00:57:01.000 I would too.

00:57:02.000 I mean, they do enough studies on them.

00:57:04.000 I'm sure there's one out there.

00:57:06.000 Yeah.

00:57:06.000 I wonder if the...

00:57:07.000 Maybe it's a salt.

00:57:08.000 Maybe they could smell the salt.

00:57:09.000 I don't know.

00:57:10.000 You know?

00:57:10.000 Because I know animals gravitate towards those salt blocks.

00:57:13.000 Those don't make any sense.

00:57:14.000 Yeah.

00:57:14.000 That they leave down for deer.

00:57:16.000 It's just a natural thing that they need to...

00:57:17.000 Yeah.

00:57:18.000 Maybe that's what it is.

00:57:19.000 Maybe it just recognizes the fact that salt's on it.

00:57:21.000 They could probably smell the salt.

00:57:23.000 That's what I was thinking.

00:57:24.000 Because...

00:57:24.000 I did recently for a new Apex episode a foraging thing, just going out and finding foods, much like a bear would.

00:57:35.000 But I'm trying to think, as a human, do we really have that innate Ability to distinguish poisonous plants from non-poisonous plants.

00:57:45.000 Not really, right?

00:57:46.000 Not really, but I don't know.

00:57:48.000 Is it something maybe that's passed down?

00:57:50.000 Or if you were just left on an island alone, would you figure out what you could eat? 0.96

00:57:55.000 Boy, you'd have to be fucking real careful with things like mushrooms. 0.80

00:57:58.000 Yeah, so that was one of the cool things that I learned is there's actually way more poisonous plants than there are poisonous mushrooms. 0.97

00:58:06.000 Really?

00:58:07.000 Yeah.

00:58:07.000 Well, there's a lot more plants, I guess.

00:58:09.000 But I mean, for the amount of edible plants that there are, there's a lot more plants that are inedible.

00:58:14.000 So the percentage of plants being poisonous is higher than the percentage of mushrooms being poisonous?

00:58:22.000 This was coming from a guy who's like a mushroom expert, and that's what his pitch was.

00:58:27.000 Oh, okay.

00:58:28.000 So maybe he was like pro-mushroom?

00:58:29.000 Yeah, I think he was real pro-mushroom.

00:58:30.000 I like foraging.

00:58:32.000 But, yeah, there's actually a lot.

00:58:35.000 I think there's a lot of mushrooms that, yeah, will kill you dead, and then there's some that'll make you sick, and then there's some that just you can't really eat, and then there's some you can't eat.

00:58:42.000 There's a few, though, that are pretty common that'll kill you dead.

00:58:45.000 Yeah.

00:58:46.000 That's very disconcerting.

00:58:47.000 It is.

00:58:47.000 But I think there's a lot of plants that'll kill you dead, too.

00:58:50.000 A lot of berries.

00:58:51.000 Yeah.

00:58:52.000 Oh yeah, I'm sure. 0.93

00:58:53.000 I don't know shit about plants that you can eat. 1.00

00:58:55.000 If I was left alone in the woods and I had to figure out what to eat, I'd be fucked. 0.99

00:58:59.000 There's a lot of basics. 0.97

00:59:01.000 You learn like 10 basics that are kind of everywhere.

00:59:03.000 Like what are the basics?

00:59:05.000 You've got like cattails and dandelions, like just common plants that are round on things.

00:59:11.000 My grandmother used to make salad with dandelions.

00:59:12.000 Yeah, chicory, violets.

00:59:16.000 Violets?

00:59:17.000 Like the rose?

00:59:18.000 Like a flower, rather?

00:59:19.000 Yeah.

00:59:19.000 You could eat those?

00:59:20.000 Yeah, plant and everything.

00:59:22.000 You probably want to do it while there's flowers on it.

00:59:24.000 Why that?

00:59:24.000 So you can identify it easily.

00:59:26.000 Oh, you want to do it while there's flowers on it? 0.99

00:59:28.000 Unless you know it.

00:59:30.000 There's a lot of lookalikes.

00:59:31.000 Plantain, which is just kind of like a roadside.

00:59:34.000 I mean, it's all over the place.

00:59:35.000 It's not like plantains, but it's a plant.

00:59:39.000 It's called plantain, but it's not like a banana?

00:59:41.000 Right, correct, yeah.

00:59:42.000 Yeah, I watched that Survivorman show, Les Stroud, and he would go, and he's a real expert in what you can and can't eat, and shockingly how little you could find.

00:59:52.000 Shocking.

00:59:53.000 Yeah, that's kind of the thing that struck me, is...

00:59:57.000 As a human, like a bear, when they...

01:00:01.000 Well, plants, they die off in the winter.

01:00:04.000 So then what do you eat?

01:00:05.000 I think a lot of people...

01:00:07.000 I've heard people say, like, oh, humans, our digestive system is more plant-based, which we're opportunistic omnivores as well as predatory omnivores.

01:00:18.000 But once that plant...

01:00:38.000 No vegetables.

01:00:41.000 No fruits.

01:00:41.000 Nothing.

01:00:42.000 Lots of seal.

01:00:43.000 Yeah.

01:00:44.000 Fats.

01:00:44.000 They eat fats and fishes and whale and anything they can kill.

01:00:49.000 I mean, that throws a big monkey wrench into that whole theory.

01:00:53.000 I don't buy that because I think too much of that when people say those things, it's ideologically based.

01:01:00.000 Whether people say, you know, you should only, like, people that are like, I don't need vegetables, I eat all meat.

01:01:06.000 I think that's ridiculous when people say that, because I think vegetables, without a doubt, are really good for you.

01:01:10.000 I feel better when I eat a lot of vegetables.

01:01:12.000 I think it's really good for you.

01:01:14.000 But when people say that you should only eat vegetables, I go, well, that doesn't make any sense either, because that's not evidence-based.

01:01:22.000 That's ideologically based.

01:01:24.000 Yeah, there's a good balance.

01:01:25.000 Yeah.

01:01:26.000 But people that say that, they're almost always like animal rights people.

01:01:29.000 They're almost always vegan, or they're almost always really into animals, and the idea that we don't have to consume animals, which I kind of see what you're saying.

01:01:38.000 I don't agree with it, but I see what you're saying.

01:01:40.000 But when you say that it's healthier, it's better for people, or it's...

01:01:45.000 That's ideological.

01:01:46.000 That doesn't make sense logically.

01:01:49.000 No.

01:01:50.000 On either side.

01:01:51.000 I mean, we can't just eat...

01:01:53.000 Well, we can.

01:01:54.000 We can.

01:01:54.000 Just eating only meat and eating...

01:01:56.000 We're omnivores.

01:01:58.000 We should eat both.

01:01:59.000 But, I mean...

01:02:01.000 My personal belief is that we should hunt for the meat that we eat.

01:02:04.000 And not everyone can do that, but it's just for me.

01:02:06.000 It's a more natural system.

01:02:08.000 It makes more sense to me.

01:02:09.000 That is the real problem, right?

01:02:10.000 Because not everyone can do it. 0.98

01:02:11.000 The real problem is we've fucked ourselves in this position, literally fucked ourselves into this position where we have 20 million people jammed into a city. 0.98

01:02:20.000 Right. 0.99

01:02:21.000 I mean, that's what we did. 0.98

01:02:21.000 We fucked until we ran out of space, and now we have all these people piled up. 0.98

01:02:25.000 We have to keep trucking food into this fuck festival that we call cities. 1.00

01:02:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:02:30.000 And no one's growing anything. 0.99

01:02:32.000 I mean, we have these goddamn giant chunks of property that people are, you know, packed into, and apartment buildings, and houses, and fucking roads, and no one's growing a goddamn thing. 0.98

01:02:44.000 And there's so many ornamental plants that have no utility, like, at all. 0.99

01:02:49.000 That's so true!

01:02:49.000 What if we just replaced every plant you couldn't eat with a plant you could eat?

01:02:53.000 Yeah!

01:02:53.000 Palm trees.

01:02:54.000 Fucking palm trees. 1.00

01:02:56.000 Those do fruit, but they cut them off. 1.00

01:02:59.000 We don't want anybody dying.

01:03:01.000 Do you know 150 people die every year because coconuts fall on their head?

01:03:05.000 That's a bad day.

01:03:07.000 All across the world.

01:03:09.000 150 people worldwide a year from coconuts.

01:03:15.000 Larry would be with us today when we had that horrible coconut accident.

01:03:19.000 Well, you gotta think, man.

01:03:20.000 A full coconut.

01:03:21.000 Like, I bought one the other day from a supermarket.

01:03:23.000 And when you got...

01:03:25.000 For people who've never seen a coconut in the wild, when you're buying them from a supermarket, they've already been husked.

01:03:31.000 So you're getting the inside.

01:03:34.000 The outside is this hard sort of husk that makes it quite a bit heavier.

01:03:39.000 And you've got to chop through all that to get to the round brown piece, and you chop through that, and that's how you get the milk and the fruit, the coconut white stuff itself. 0.99

01:03:48.000 But if one of those falls from 80, 90 feet up and hits you in the head, you're fucking gone, dude. 0.98

01:03:55.000 That's a wrap. 1.00

01:03:56.000 That's a wrap.

01:03:57.000 That's a lot of weight coming down real fast.

01:03:59.000 I had a buddy who used to live in Hawaii, and they used to pick fresh mangoes.

01:04:02.000 They'd go pick wild mangoes.

01:04:04.000 Just walk down this road, and they would find mangoes and grab them, and take a basket full of mangoes home.

01:04:10.000 It's like, wow.

01:04:11.000 If you live in Hawaii, you kind of can forage for fresh fruit and live.

01:04:19.000 I recently heard this, and maybe it's incorrect, but I'm pretty sure it's true, that mangoes are somewhat related to poison ivy.

01:04:30.000 So if you're highly allergic to poison ivy or poison oak or sumac, then mangoes you would probably be allergic to as well.

01:04:37.000 Really?

01:04:38.000 Yeah.

01:04:38.000 Wow.

01:04:39.000 Find that out, Jamie.

01:04:41.000 Yeah, that should be looked at.

01:04:42.000 Yeah, that should be Googled.

01:04:45.000 Because I recently got poison oak, or poison ivy, and so I was just looking it up.

01:04:51.000 Is that the only time you've ever had it?

01:04:53.000 Yeah.

01:04:53.000 Really?

01:04:54.000 Yeah.

01:04:54.000 That's crazy.

01:04:55.000 And it wasn't that bad, but it was days later, so it must have...

01:05:00.000 Huh.

01:05:01.000 I don't know.

01:05:01.000 Yeah, maybe when I washed everything together, like threw the rain gear in it.

01:05:05.000 When we were hunting turkeys in Napa for a meat eater, and there was poison oak everywhere, and everyone was terrified of it.

01:05:14.000 A bunch of guys on the crew got it.

01:05:16.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:05:17.000 But I fucking went way out of the way to not get it. 0.96

01:05:20.000 To not get it. 0.99

01:05:20.000 Took my clothes off outside the car, put them, I was like in my underwear outside. 0.99

01:05:26.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:05:27.000 Come look. 1.00

01:05:27.000 I'm throwing my shit in a bag in the back, not touching it with my hands, taking it out from there when I got home. 1.00

01:05:35.000 I made sure that anything that might have come in contact with that stuff, because Ronello was saying he got it on his dick. 1.00

01:05:41.000 That's a bad day. 0.99

01:05:42.000 A lot of bad days happening today.

01:05:45.000 Coconuts fought on your head.

01:05:46.000 There's no worse place, I would think.

01:05:50.000 Yeah, that's the worst place.

01:05:51.000 But you think about it, if you're touching the trees and then you have to go to take a leak and you get it on your deck.

01:05:56.000 Is it true?

01:05:57.000 Yeah, it is.

01:05:58.000 Oh my goodness.

01:05:59.000 It is true.

01:06:00.000 You're a... 0.99

01:06:00.000 Dodged a bullet on that one. 0.99

01:06:03.000 You're... 0.97

01:06:03.000 Wow, what a weird word. 0.97

01:06:05.000 U-R-U-S-H-I-O-L. How do you say that? 1.00

01:06:12.000 Urushiol is a chemical found in the oil of the mango sap.

01:06:15.000 Urushiol is also found in poison ivy and poison oak.

01:06:18.000 Therefore, people who have a history of reactions to poison ivy and poison oak should be cautious when handling mangoes.

01:06:24.000 Wow.

01:06:25.000 That's interesting.

01:06:26.000 Very interesting.

01:06:28.000 When I did Fear Factor, we found out that if you are allergic to shellfish, you're also allergic to roaches.

01:06:33.000 Same exact enzyme in roaches.

01:06:38.000 And so people that we had on the show, well, I should say person, one dude, he ate a bunch of roaches and he had shellfish allergy.

01:06:45.000 And it just...

01:06:47.000 His throat closed up to the side of like a soda pop straw.

01:06:52.000 They probably didn't test for that.

01:06:54.000 No.

01:06:54.000 Well, they panicked.

01:06:55.000 They had to take this guy to the hospital.

01:06:57.000 They had to give him a shot.

01:06:58.000 I think we had an EMT standing by, always.

01:07:01.000 So I think they gave him a shot of adrenaline or something like that.

01:07:04.000 Epinephrine, you think?

01:07:04.000 Is that what they gave him?

01:07:05.000 Yeah.

01:07:06.000 And then they sent him to the hospital and they kicked him off the show.

01:07:09.000 Get out of here, kid.

01:07:10.000 You lose. 1.00

01:07:11.000 Keep your mouth shut.

01:07:12.000 It's never happened.

01:07:14.000 And...

01:07:15.000 We dodged so many bullets on that show.

01:07:18.000 That show, man, I mean, they did a great job with, don't get me wrong, did a great job with stunts.

01:07:24.000 They planned things out well in advance and they got approval from the network for every step of the way, but they dodged a lot of bullets.

01:07:31.000 Was there anything on there that you thought to yourself, I kind of want to try that?

01:07:35.000 Oh yeah, yeah, a bunch of them.

01:07:36.000 Especially the car stunts, like flipping cars off the top of a building.

01:07:40.000 Because they would flip them into these gigantic stacks of cardboard boxes.

01:07:45.000 That's how they would do the car stunts.

01:07:49.000 So they would have these folded up cardboard boxes and they would stack them like the size of a building, like two stories up.

01:07:56.000 And they had a crew of guys that would go in there and stack these boxes.

01:08:00.000 So they had boxes, like they'd have a cardboard box that was like, and the inside of it was like an X. And they would close the box up and then put another one on top of it.

01:08:08.000 And close that box up, put another one on top of it.

01:08:09.000 And they would have like stacked up 50 boxes high.

01:08:14.000 And then they would flip these cars through the air off the top of like a 10-story building.

01:08:19.000 Boom! 0.99

01:08:19.000 And we just land on this giant building of boxes, of cardboard boxes, and then sink to the bottom. 0.99

01:08:25.000 But it was totally safe that way, and it was so cool.

01:08:29.000 That's what I wanted to try.

01:08:31.000 I've always wondered this, because I remember watching an episode of Fear Factor.

01:08:34.000 What's the deal with those hundred-year-old eggs?

01:08:36.000 Wasn't that on there?

01:08:37.000 It's not really a hundred-year-old.

01:08:38.000 Yeah, what's the truth?

01:08:39.000 It's an expression.

01:08:40.000 Okay.

01:08:41.000 The Chinese call it 100-year-old eggs.

01:08:43.000 And what it means is it's a style of fermenting where they would take an egg and they would bury it in the ground.

01:08:52.000 I don't remember the whole process, but it's only really like a few months old.

01:08:55.000 Okay.

01:08:56.000 But they become black. 1.00

01:08:58.000 Just nasty. 1.00

01:08:58.000 Yeah, the white becomes... 1.00

01:09:00.000 But nasty to us, but to Chinese people, it's a delicacy. 1.00

01:09:04.000 Oh, okay.

01:09:05.000 So it is something that people normally eat.

01:09:07.000 Yeah.

01:09:07.000 Well, that was one of the things that we had to do early on.

01:09:10.000 We could only serve people something that someone somewhere ate.

01:09:14.000 In the world.

01:09:15.000 Gotcha.

01:09:16.000 So, like, if we serve people eyeballs, like sheep's eyeballs, that's a pretty common thing that people eat.

01:09:21.000 Right.

01:09:21.000 Especially in places where they don't have much money.

01:09:23.000 There's protein in that.

01:09:24.000 Don't throw it away.

01:09:25.000 Eat it.

01:09:26.000 So there's a history of people eating sheep's eyeballs.

01:09:28.000 We could serve sheep's eyeballs.

01:09:30.000 Bugs.

01:09:30.000 Human placenta.

01:09:31.000 Yeah.

01:09:31.000 Placenta.

01:09:32.000 Believe it or not, right?

01:09:33.000 That's a weird one.

01:09:35.000 People cook it. 0.51

01:09:36.000 That's disgusting. 1.00

01:09:37.000 It's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:09:38.000 I've eaten a lot of strange things, but... 0.99

01:09:41.000 The most recently strange...

01:09:42.000 I tried to eat a live slug.

01:09:45.000 Don't do that.

01:09:45.000 It's bad.

01:09:46.000 Why did you do that? 1.00

01:09:47.000 My fucking chickens don't even like those things. 1.00

01:09:49.000 It immediately builds up this amazing amount of film in your mouth. 1.00

01:09:55.000 Makes everything numb.

01:09:56.000 I can taste it. 0.90

01:09:58.000 I guess you can get some kind of brain worm from it as well. 0.91

01:10:02.000 Oh, dude! 0.81

01:10:05.000 At first, I kind of bit it in half to kind of gut it.

01:10:08.000 And I was like...

01:10:12.000 And then immediately I regretted my decision.

01:10:15.000 It was instantaneous.

01:10:17.000 But it took a few seconds.

01:10:18.000 It was like one bite, two bites, and I was like, what's happening?

01:10:23.000 This is not good.

01:10:25.000 And at that moment I realized, no, humans have no clue what you can eat.

01:10:30.000 Why did you have to eat it raw?

01:10:32.000 Was it for the show?

01:10:33.000 Obviously.

01:10:34.000 Yeah, I didn't have to.

01:10:35.000 I just found it.

01:10:36.000 I was thinking.

01:10:37.000 Why not?

01:10:37.000 I've never eaten a raw slug.

01:10:40.000 And I was thinking about it, and in my mind I was like, I know there's something strange about him.

01:10:46.000 I know it won't kill you.

01:10:48.000 And I was like, yep, this is why people don't do it.

01:10:50.000 Well, you and Rinella ate a coyote on that Mexico show.

01:10:54.000 That was hard to watch.

01:10:55.000 It wasn't that bad.

01:10:58.000 It wasn't good.

01:10:59.000 It wasn't bad.

01:11:00.000 But when you burn the hair off of it, that's what I was like, oh, Jesus Christ.

01:11:04.000 Dipping it in that pond water.

01:11:07.000 It was a stagnant pool in northern Mexico.

01:11:11.000 Yeah.

01:11:13.000 You're just asking for the new aids.

01:11:15.000 You're just asking to create it.

01:11:16.000 Oh, God.

01:11:17.000 So we got coyote aids from Pondwater.

01:11:21.000 Singed coyote aids.

01:11:22.000 Well, Ranella's got everything. 1.00

01:11:26.000 He's got it all, man.

01:11:27.000 He's had everything.

01:11:29.000 He had Jardia and Lyme disease at the same time.

01:11:34.000 That's the worst combination of things you can have.

01:11:37.000 Because he got trichinosis, too.

01:11:40.000 He got trichinosis as well.

01:11:41.000 And so now, once I found out he got trichinosis, I thought, if Steve Rinella can get trichinosis, anybody can get trichinosis.

01:11:49.000 Because him talking about bears and trichinosis goes hand in hand.

01:11:53.000 Yeah.

01:11:54.000 And, I mean, when you're cooking over a fire, though, a lot of the stuff you eat is undercooked.

01:11:58.000 Yeah.

01:11:59.000 So I recently went on a bear hunt and brought a meat thermometer with me and I ate some brown bear because I always hear that brown bear is inedible.

01:12:12.000 Right.

01:12:14.000 And I'm just one of those people, I'm not going to believe it until I've tried it, because I've heard a lot of other things don't taste good.

01:12:20.000 And I have a really good...

01:12:21.000 I'm defending myself now.

01:12:23.000 I have a really good sense of taste as I put a slug in my mouth.

01:12:27.000 But...

01:12:29.000 I thought it was the best bear I've ever eaten.

01:12:30.000 Really?

01:12:31.000 Yeah.

01:12:32.000 Was it interior?

01:12:33.000 No.

01:12:33.000 It was coastal and it was eating a seal, a dead seal carcass.

01:12:37.000 And it was good.

01:12:38.000 But it was a younger bear.

01:12:40.000 Oh.

01:12:41.000 Hmm.

01:12:41.000 It wasn't...

01:12:42.000 I mean, for meat, it was better than any black bear I've ever had.

01:12:48.000 Really?

01:12:48.000 Yeah.

01:12:49.000 Was it the back straps?

01:12:51.000 Yeah, all of it.

01:12:52.000 So you ate everything.

01:12:53.000 You ate the whole bear.

01:12:54.000 And how did you cook it?

01:12:56.000 Well, we started over the fire.

01:12:59.000 And it was good?

01:13:00.000 Yeah, it was good.

01:13:01.000 You could visibly see parasites, like worms in some of the areas, like around the stomach and other places.

01:13:09.000 But that's why it was thermometer time.

01:13:12.000 But you could visibly see the parasites?

01:13:14.000 Wow.

01:13:15.000 I think that immediately makes people think it's going to be bad.

01:13:20.000 Yeah.

01:13:20.000 I'm bringing my bear, the bear that I have left, to a sausage guy in Bakersfield.

01:13:27.000 Makes good sausage.

01:13:28.000 Yeah.

01:13:28.000 That's probably the best way to do it, where you don't worry about it.

01:13:31.000 This guy makes sausage, and he makes really good summer sausage.

01:13:35.000 So if you get the summer sausage, it's already cooked.

01:13:37.000 It's probably a good thing for something like bear.

01:13:40.000 That one element always kind of bums me out.

01:13:43.000 You always have to worry about it having a parasite.

01:13:46.000 That's what I really like about deer or elk or something like that.

01:13:49.000 You don't have to think about that.

01:13:50.000 You eat it pretty rare.

01:13:53.000 It's really good.

01:13:53.000 You almost have to undercook it.

01:13:56.000 There's no fat in it.

01:13:57.000 If you cook it too much, it's just dry.

01:14:00.000 I think a lot of people almost don't like wild meat because they don't prepare it right.

01:14:05.000 Yeah, it gets chewy.

01:14:07.000 It's real chewy.

01:14:08.000 But if done right, there's nothing better.

01:14:11.000 Yeah, I was at elk camp.

01:14:13.000 These guys were putting A1 steak sauce on elk.

01:14:16.000 I was like, you guys should all go to jail.

01:14:18.000 Should all be in jail for this.

01:14:20.000 This should be illegal.

01:14:22.000 This one guy took all of his elk and ground it up, made hamburger out of everything, the whole elk.

01:14:28.000 All of it.

01:14:29.000 Yeah.

01:14:29.000 I was like, that seems...

01:14:30.000 I mean, look.

01:14:31.000 It's so religious.

01:14:32.000 Yeah.

01:14:32.000 Elk burgers taste great.

01:14:33.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:14:34.000 But why are you doing that?

01:14:36.000 Like, do you not know how to cook it?

01:14:38.000 Like, this seems crazy.

01:14:40.000 Yeah, I like cooking it in large pieces, almost like a roast, and the backstrap big pieces, and then slicing it after it's cooked.

01:14:47.000 That way it's always cooked right.

01:14:50.000 It's such a distinct flavor that the only way you get it from a store is if they get it from New Zealand, which is really weird.

01:14:58.000 Yeah, and those...

01:14:59.000 If you get...

01:15:01.000 Deer, like, venison.

01:15:02.000 It doesn't distinguish what it is.

01:15:04.000 Most of the time it's red deer or fallow deer.

01:15:07.000 Oh, really?

01:15:07.000 So if you get venison from New Zealand venison?

01:15:10.000 Yeah, it's generally red deer or fallow deer.

01:15:11.000 And they're, I call them, like, lot-raised but grass-fed.

01:15:15.000 Because the grass grows so easy and well over there.

01:15:19.000 They're so green.

01:15:20.000 Yeah, there's no...

01:15:21.000 There's not a lot of supplemental winter feeding or anything like that.

01:15:25.000 So it's grass-fed.

01:15:27.000 Most of the time, no pesticides or any of that kind of stuff would be added.

01:15:31.000 It's not necessary.

01:15:33.000 Because the animals there don't have a lot of the things that we...

01:15:37.000 I mean, they have tuberculosis, but that's...

01:15:39.000 They don't have, like, mad cow over there or anything like that.

01:15:41.000 So they don't have to...

01:15:43.000 They don't have a lot of the bugs that we have.

01:15:45.000 In some places, they have ticks, but not everywhere.

01:15:47.000 So they don't have to...

01:15:53.000 It's just weird that we have so many deer and elk over here, but yet when you buy meat, a good percentage of it is coming from New Zealand.

01:16:01.000 Yeah, because you can't sell wild game meat in America that's wild.

01:16:07.000 And I see the reason for it, because once you put a value on something, a monetary value, then people opt to break the law even more.

01:16:15.000 It's like rhinos and elephants.

01:16:17.000 If there was no value of the horns or the tusks, no one would care.

01:16:22.000 No one would shoot them illegally.

01:16:24.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:16:27.000 Rhino tastes good.

01:16:28.000 Corey Knowlton said that it was one of the best meats he's ever eaten when he shot that black rhino.

01:16:33.000 That's an expensive steak.

01:16:34.000 I would say that too.

01:16:35.000 Like when I spend $30 on a steak, I go, God, that was the best steak I ever had.

01:16:41.000 When you spend $350,000 to shoot an endangered rhino and then eat it and then get death threats for the next six months pretty much every day.

01:16:50.000 You're like, you're eating that steak on the house.

01:16:52.000 It's so worth it.

01:16:53.000 Well, he said it was really good.

01:16:55.000 He said it was legitimately good.

01:16:56.000 I've heard hippo's really good as well. 0.98

01:16:58.000 It's a cousin of a pig, right? 0.76

01:17:00.000 Isn't it? 0.98

01:17:00.000 I'm not sure about that. 0.98

01:17:02.000 I think hippo's related to a pig. 0.96

01:17:04.000 I think it's like the cousin of a pig. 0.95

01:17:07.000 Something along those lines. 1.00

01:17:08.000 Just a giant fucking nasty pig. 1.00

01:17:11.000 You've seen that video where the hippo is chasing the people on a speedboat? 1.00

01:17:16.000 Nope.

01:17:16.000 I haven't.

01:17:17.000 Such a crazy video.

01:17:18.000 See if you can find that video, Jamie. 0.99

01:17:20.000 Because these guys are in a boat, and they're trying to get away, and this hippo's swimming after them, just charging in the water after them, and is right on their ass. 0.96

01:17:29.000 And it's as big as the boat. 0.99

01:17:31.000 It's fucking enormous. 0.98

01:17:32.000 They move fast. 1.00

01:17:34.000 So fast.

01:17:35.000 I was in Africa, and a friend of mine...

01:17:38.000 There's a PH there and I was helping out.

01:17:41.000 PH means professional hunter.

01:17:43.000 That's like a guide in America.

01:17:45.000 They call them professional hunters in Africa for folks listening.

01:17:49.000 And so there was a problem hippo.

01:17:51.000 It was just one that was a danger and could kill people.

01:17:54.000 So we went in there to go find it.

01:17:58.000 And the speed that they move...

01:18:01.000 Was insane.

01:18:03.000 I've never seen anything that size move that fast.

01:18:06.000 It kind of freaks you out because you're in real tight quarters and it's in the water and you see these bubbles just coming.

01:18:11.000 It's like, get ready.

01:18:13.000 It's coming towards you to get you.

01:18:17.000 Here it is.

01:18:18.000 Watch this.

01:18:19.000 Check this out.

01:18:23.000 They're huge.

01:18:31.000 Look at the size of that thing! 1.00

01:18:43.000 The size of that fucking thing. 1.00

01:18:45.000 Yeah, people don't know because of Hungry Hungry Hippo. 1.00

01:18:48.000 I played that with my five-year-old the other day.

01:18:50.000 See, it's because Disneyland stopped that ride where they shoot at the hippos.

01:18:54.000 They had a ride where you shoot at the hippo?

01:18:56.000 Yeah, wasn't it the...

01:18:57.000 I think it was some kind of jungle boat thing.

01:18:59.000 I remember that as a kid, and the guy would pretend like he was shooting at the hippos.

01:19:03.000 Oh, really?

01:19:03.000 They stopped it?

01:19:04.000 People call you a monster now. 1.00

01:19:06.000 You monster! 1.00

01:19:08.000 You shot the Hungry Hungry Hippo. 0.99

01:19:09.000 I mean, they probably stopped that about 20 years ago.

01:19:11.000 Oh, dear.

01:19:11.000 Well, there's so many weird things that we've turned cute, like polar bears.

01:19:16.000 Polar bears, you sell Klondike bars and Coca-Cola, you know, hippos.

01:19:22.000 They're sweet, and they dance around, they have bows in their hair.

01:19:25.000 Tutus.

01:19:26.000 Yeah!

01:19:26.000 I mean, we've done some weird things to animals.

01:19:29.000 I mean, Yogi Bear. 0.99

01:19:30.000 Yogi Bear's a fucking grizzly, man. 1.00

01:19:33.000 He is. 1.00

01:19:33.000 Yogi Bear lives in Yellowstone Park, right? 1.00

01:19:35.000 Yeah.

01:19:35.000 That's where he's supposed to live.

01:19:37.000 Or he's supposed to live in...

01:19:38.000 Jellystone.

01:19:39.000 Jellystone.

01:19:39.000 But it's basically the same thing.

01:19:41.000 But he's big.

01:19:42.000 He's way too big to be a black bear, right? 1.00

01:19:44.000 He's fucking giant. 1.00

01:19:45.000 Yogi's huge. 1.00

01:19:46.000 He wears a hat.

01:19:47.000 You know, he's like, boom, just trying to get a little picnic basket.

01:19:51.000 You know, I mean, what did we do? 0.98

01:19:52.000 We confused the shit out of little kids. 0.97

01:19:54.000 And then Bambi. 0.98

01:19:56.000 Bambi.

01:19:56.000 Bambi was the one.

01:19:57.000 That ruined hunting for everybody.

01:19:59.000 And it also...

01:20:01.000 Bambi's a buck. 1.00

01:20:03.000 It's a man's name, apparently.

01:20:06.000 Bambi's a man's name? 0.73

01:20:07.000 Think about it. 0.88

01:20:08.000 Bambi was a buck. 1.00

01:20:10.000 So, we associate Bambi with female. 0.99

01:20:13.000 I thought Bambi was a female. 1.00

01:20:14.000 No? 0.60

01:20:14.000 No, it's a buck. 0.60

01:20:15.000 Bambi's a buck. 1.00

01:20:16.000 Well, the bucks are never taking care of the offspring. 1.00

01:20:19.000 That's why that movie's stupid. 0.99

01:20:21.000 Bambi's a boy named Sue, really, in the deer world. 1.00

01:20:24.000 It's a Johnny Cash song.

01:20:26.000 It's like his dad knew he wouldn't be around, so I'm gonna name you Bambi.

01:20:30.000 You're gonna grow up to be tough, son.

01:20:33.000 Everybody missed the point of that movie.

01:20:34.000 That's really what it was about.

01:20:36.000 A lot of hunters will talk about that movie like it was the end of good days.

01:20:43.000 Like it changed the way America perceived hunting.

01:20:46.000 Because all of a sudden you get this adorable Bambi.

01:20:49.000 This adorable sweet deer.

01:20:51.000 And it was right around the same time where Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer came out.

01:20:55.000 But there's no cows that have come across that way. 1.00

01:20:58.000 Cows are fucked. 1.00

01:21:01.000 There's no happy cows. 1.00

01:21:03.000 Well, in California there's happy cows.

01:21:05.000 I was driving through LA today and saw so many happy cows.

01:21:10.000 I think you're talking about people who overeat.

01:21:13.000 I passed no less than 12 McDonald's on the way here. 0.92

01:21:17.000 It's so gross.

01:21:18.000 It's such a culture shock for me because I literally spend most of my life around very few people.

01:21:24.000 And even yesterday, I was just out in the mountains of Montana guiding hunters.

01:21:28.000 And then I come here and look around and you just feel like...

01:21:31.000 Holy smokes, this is reality here.

01:21:34.000 Well, this is this reality.

01:21:36.000 This reality, yeah.

01:21:37.000 It's completely different than what I'm used to.

01:21:38.000 And I think a lot of people don't realize that there are people who live completely different than them.

01:21:43.000 People in Montana have no clue what this world is, and people here have no clue what that world is.

01:21:48.000 I love Montana.

01:21:50.000 I love it.

01:21:50.000 I was just in Bozeman last week.

01:21:52.000 Yeah.

01:21:53.000 We were pheasant hunting for Bourdain's TV show, and we're wandering around Bozeman.

01:21:58.000 It's like, what a great place.

01:21:59.000 Isn't Bozeman awesome?

01:22:01.000 It's amazing.

01:22:01.000 So ZPZ, you know, they do Steve's show, and they do mine.

01:22:05.000 0.0.

01:22:07.000 They've just opened, like, an office in Bozeman, so I get to go there.

01:22:10.000 Dodie.

01:22:10.000 Dan Dodie's got it.

01:22:11.000 Yeah, man.

01:22:11.000 Love that dude.

01:22:12.000 Man, Bozeman is a cool town.

01:22:14.000 It's the best.

01:22:15.000 It's just got a cool vibe, and even, like, there's Well, I guess the town is essentially 47 bars down Main Street, interspersed with sandwich and steak shops.

01:22:27.000 So I guess, really, there's nothing not to like about it.

01:22:30.000 Yeah, it's pretty much perfect.

01:22:31.000 And then not that many people.

01:22:33.000 I mean, the whole city, or the whole state has like a million people, right?

01:22:36.000 Yeah.

01:22:37.000 I think the whole state.

01:22:38.000 Yeah.

01:22:39.000 It's like the third largest state.

01:22:41.000 Yeah, by volume.

01:22:43.000 It's the third largest state, and it has...

01:22:46.000 Like what we said, like less than a million people and no traffic.

01:22:50.000 It doesn't exist.

01:22:51.000 There's no traffic jams.

01:22:52.000 Five o'clock, what happens?

01:22:54.000 Nothing.

01:22:54.000 You just drive.

01:22:55.000 It's like normal.

01:22:57.000 And I mean, all around it, there's just...

01:22:59.000 You can be in the mountains.

01:23:00.000 You can get away from people.

01:23:01.000 There's big wilderness.

01:23:02.000 Oh, it's beautiful.

01:23:03.000 We saw a lot of antelope, a lot of pronghorn.

01:23:06.000 We saw quite a bit of pheasants.

01:23:09.000 I didn't get one, but I'm probably not supposed to say what happened on the show.

01:23:13.000 It's a mystery.

01:23:14.000 But somebody did.

01:23:15.000 Huh.

01:23:16.000 He's taller than me.

01:23:16.000 He's got gray hair.

01:23:19.000 We saw mule deer when we were out there.

01:23:21.000 It's beautiful. 0.98

01:23:22.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.99

01:23:23.000 Such a great state. 0.99

01:23:25.000 Yeah.

01:23:26.000 It's wild.

01:23:27.000 I mean, it is as close to wild and real wilderness as you can get in America.

01:23:31.000 And Alaska's another notch above that.

01:23:35.000 Alaska's like, oh yeah? 1.00

01:23:36.000 Check this out, bitch. 1.00

01:23:37.000 Look what we got. 1.00

01:23:38.000 Yeah.

01:23:39.000 We got even bigger.

01:23:41.000 Is that the biggest state?

01:23:42.000 Alaska, yeah.

01:23:43.000 Yeah.

01:23:43.000 The biggest state, the least amount of people.

01:23:46.000 It's probably got the least amount of people, right?

01:23:48.000 Yeah.

01:23:48.000 Doesn't that make sense?

01:23:49.000 Yeah, so technically Montana is not the third largest state.

01:23:52.000 I guess it would be Alaska, Texas, California, right?

01:23:55.000 I don't know.

01:23:56.000 I'd heard it was the third.

01:23:57.000 They kept saying it was the third.

01:23:59.000 Maybe it is third.

01:23:59.000 Whatever it is.

01:24:00.000 I don't know.

01:24:00.000 It's giant.

01:24:01.000 It's fucking enormous. 1.00

01:24:02.000 I'm not smarter than a fifth grader. 1.00

01:24:05.000 Well, it's not smart.

01:24:06.000 It's information that's absorbed.

01:24:09.000 If you're really smart, you would have actually gone out there and measured it.

01:24:12.000 Right, that's true.

01:24:13.000 But the mountains out there, there's something amazing about them.

01:24:17.000 There's something amazing about that kind of solitude when you're in those areas where you sit down.

01:24:23.000 You can sit down on a ridge, like if you're glassing or something like that, and you just hear nothing.

01:24:27.000 You just hear wind. 0.99

01:24:29.000 And you look out and you realize, this mountain doesn't give a fuck if you exist. 0.99

01:24:34.000 It doesn't care if you're here, if you're gone, if you fall off this cliff and smash your head on the rocks. 0.99

01:24:41.000 Still there. 0.68

01:24:44.000 Same.

01:24:44.000 Exactly the same.

01:24:45.000 You know, some animals will find you, they'll eat you, and that's a wrap.

01:24:49.000 You know, and then everything keeps moving, keeps moving the same direction it always has, thousands and thousands of years.

01:24:55.000 And then we think that the mountains themselves came about through seismic activity that forced the crust of the earth to shift and move upwards and to thousands and thousands of feet above sea level. 0.97

01:25:09.000 Like, what a fucking crazy place. 0.99

01:25:12.000 It is. 1.00

01:25:13.000 Meanwhile, you're in LA, checking out McDonald's.

01:25:16.000 More happy cows.

01:25:18.000 When you're doing this show, and we briefly touched on it before, it's called Apex Predator, and it's on the Outdoorsman.

01:25:24.000 Outdoor Channel.

01:25:25.000 Outdoor Channel.

01:25:26.000 Sportsman's Network, Sportsman's Channel, and the Outdoor Channel.

01:25:29.000 And the Outdoor Channel has...

01:25:33.000 Your show, you're trying to imitate the methods that various animals use in trying to survive and hunt prey.

01:25:43.000 And I got curious about a couple of these that I haven't seen yet.

01:25:46.000 First of all, the mountain lion one.

01:25:48.000 What did you do for the mountain lion one?

01:25:49.000 So, yeah, so the show is kind of, I see it as almost a natural history lesson, where we're looking at humans are, in my opinion, undoubtedly, The coolest species on the planet because we can adapt so many things that other animals do so well.

01:26:08.000 But the other thing that we're looking at is how did humans become these top hunters?

01:26:14.000 It's called apex predator, not that I'm the apex predator or that we're studying apex predators, but humans as a whole are pretty much at the top of the food chain.

01:26:22.000 And we can look at everything a certain animal does or something in nature that's specialized and possibly try to mimic it in a way.

01:26:31.000 And so with the mountain lion episode, what we did is the mountain lion is a very silent predator.

01:26:39.000 They're quiet.

01:26:39.000 And that's one of the reasons they're so effective.

01:26:42.000 And so my thought was, well, can humans be as quiet as a mountain lion?

01:26:48.000 How do we do this?

01:26:49.000 So I looked at a mountain lion and met with a mountain lion expert.

01:26:53.000 And then we actually did some experiments on the mountain lion as far as measuring its force it exerts on the ground and how...

01:27:00.000 Essentially how loud it is and when it walks and the way it walks with slow motion cameras and everything.

01:27:06.000 And then I tried to mimic that in a certain way by using moccasins or even bare feet.

01:27:13.000 And what I found out while doing this is pretty cool.

01:27:17.000 I don't want to give it all away, but humans really, like the way we walk now, we heel strike.

01:27:22.000 And it's a forceful impact.

01:27:24.000 And what that forceful impact does is it puts, because we're bipedal, we put...

01:27:27.000 You know, all of our weight on one foot at a time pretty much as we're moving our feet.

01:27:33.000 And that's allowed.

01:27:34.000 And especially the way we do it.

01:27:37.000 As humans, modern footwear has dictated the way we now walk with our heel strike.

01:27:42.000 We used to walk almost identical to the mountain lion with our toes first, slowly rolling our planet and being quiet.

01:27:51.000 So we've kind of evolved into this loud, bumbling animal when originally we naturally are quiet like the mountain lion.

01:28:00.000 I've tried to run that way.

01:28:03.000 On your toes.

01:28:04.000 On your toes?

01:28:04.000 And it feels so odd.

01:28:06.000 It does.

01:28:07.000 It feels like I'm doing it wrong, you know?

01:28:09.000 Because the design, like what you're saying, of footwear is what is making people run heel first.

01:28:16.000 It's running shoes.

01:28:17.000 Yeah, I mean, obviously we found out it makes you faster, but then you...

01:28:21.000 Does it?

01:28:22.000 I think it has to.

01:28:24.000 I don't know.

01:28:26.000 The way it was explained to me is you're propelling forward off your toe, so that's giving you more ground force to push off at a running gait.

01:28:37.000 Because if you land on your toe, you have to lean forward more and you don't have as much ground force exerted because you're using the inertia of the heel to roll forward and push forward.

01:28:46.000 That makes sense.

01:28:47.000 But, I mean, it makes us...

01:28:51.000 I think sort of, yeah, it's got to make us faster is what it was explained to me.

01:28:55.000 But when you're on your toes, You absorb more shock.

01:29:03.000 Mm-hmm.

01:29:03.000 So I think you have probably less injury.

01:29:07.000 Well, when I first started reading about this and hearing this, I watched my kids run around.

01:29:11.000 And especially when they run around barefoot.

01:29:13.000 And they run toes first.

01:29:15.000 Toes first.

01:29:15.000 It's just that's natural for them.

01:29:17.000 It's the natural way.

01:29:17.000 You see them do it.

01:29:18.000 You learn to walk different.

01:29:19.000 Yeah.

01:29:19.000 And it's hard to reverse because you're trained so much to walk like that.

01:29:25.000 But the only real way to do it is just go without...

01:29:28.000 I used moccasins because...

01:29:30.000 There's a lot...

01:29:31.000 It was...

01:29:31.000 You actually still feel the ground the same.

01:29:34.000 It was just a piece of leather to keep the thorns and everything else.

01:29:36.000 Because I was going miles a day.

01:29:39.000 And your feet would get tired and sore.

01:29:41.000 And you had to walk on your toes.

01:29:45.000 Because otherwise...

01:29:46.000 Your knees hurt.

01:29:47.000 Your whole body hurt.

01:29:48.000 You have to.

01:29:49.000 There's no way to do it otherwise when you're barefoot.

01:29:52.000 Is that going to change the way you wear footwear when you go hunting?

01:29:56.000 Do you wear like a thick, heavy mountain boot?

01:30:02.000 What boot I wear depends on the terrain and what I'm doing.

01:30:04.000 But generally, if I'm stocking in on something, I generally just take my shoes off.

01:30:09.000 I always have.

01:30:10.000 I go in my socks or barefoot.

01:30:12.000 Just to be quiet.

01:30:14.000 Yeah.

01:30:14.000 Because that, you know, the stiff sole of a boot, you can't feel the ground.

01:30:21.000 Right.

01:30:22.000 And as a hunter, you really need to be able to feel the ground.

01:30:25.000 Snapping twigs and things along those lines.

01:30:28.000 I think there's a lot of things that hunters do that I think a lot of people may not...

01:30:34.000 And I notice it when I guide people or whatever, even guys that hunt a lot, but maybe not the type of hunting that I do.

01:30:41.000 Even the way we walk, a lot of people walk and they look down at the ground.

01:30:45.000 I don't get that.

01:30:46.000 They don't want to step on anything.

01:30:48.000 Yeah.

01:30:48.000 But yet, it's because we don't, we've, same thing, we no longer need to feel the ground, but we should be walking with our heads up looking around.

01:30:57.000 We know how to walk.

01:30:57.000 We know what's in front of us.

01:30:58.000 That's when the poisonous spider gets you.

01:31:01.000 Right, I think that's what people worry about.

01:31:03.000 No, it's the bear that gets you while you're sleeping, because you shouldn't sleep.

01:31:06.000 That's right.

01:31:07.000 You should look around and walk.

01:31:08.000 You should sleep during the day, when the bears are sleeping.

01:31:10.000 That's the move.

01:31:11.000 That is the move.

01:31:13.000 Or sleep in a tree, but if you fall.

01:31:17.000 Yeah, the move is, there's no move.

01:31:20.000 The move is your truck.

01:31:22.000 That's the move. 1.00

01:31:22.000 Sleep in the fucking truck. 1.00

01:31:23.000 I've always thought that. 1.00

01:31:25.000 That's got to be the move.

01:31:26.000 Sleep in some sort of a camper-type situation.

01:31:29.000 Those ones that I saw that have...

01:31:31.000 They had it on a Land Cruiser where it's like a shelf that folds over and then a ladder comes down.

01:31:38.000 The ladder acts as sort of a prop.

01:31:40.000 And then from there, they pop this tent up and then you're sleeping on the roof of the truck.

01:31:45.000 I'm like, that's perfect.

01:31:46.000 I saw one once at a trailhead and thought, oh, that's pretty neat. 0.99

01:31:49.000 It also kind of looked like a pain in the ass there, too. 0.99

01:31:52.000 A little bit. 0.99

01:31:53.000 It's a little high.

01:31:55.000 It's only about six inches above the truck.

01:31:58.000 Not too bad when you think about a whole tent in there.

01:32:01.000 But if someone's going to climb up that ladder, at least you're going to hear it.

01:32:05.000 I think if you've got a tent out and a bear comes and gets you in your tent, The statistical probability of that is so small that it was just bad timing.

01:32:16.000 It might be your time.

01:32:17.000 Well, I wonder if they had an open tent.

01:32:21.000 I have to ask Rinella how that kid got bit in the head. 0.65

01:32:24.000 Yeah, but I mean, especially in Alaska, I spent a lot of time up there this year, and it's so wet, and you have that...

01:32:31.000 Tent open most of the time just to kind of keep air flowing and keep everything more dry it seems like.

01:32:39.000 I do at least.

01:32:40.000 You leave it open when you sleep?

01:32:41.000 I close the vestibule but I leave a lot of the tent open, you know, vent it because I think a lot of people just close themselves in there and then your body creates sweat and steam and then nothing ever dries out.

01:32:52.000 When you...

01:32:53.000 There's all these different moves now to try to...

01:32:57.000 Or movements now to try to hike and camp out as lightly as possible.

01:33:03.000 Like super light packs.

01:33:04.000 Some guys don't even bring their own water.

01:33:06.000 They just bring filters. 0.78

01:33:08.000 So they can find water and filter it along the way.

01:33:11.000 And then it sort of adds to the element.

01:33:12.000 Like you're living almost off the land.

01:33:16.000 Like really close to off the land.

01:33:17.000 And I know you've done hunts...

01:33:19.000 Where you literally did you didn't bring any food like there was some of your episodes where you were starving to death on TV. Yeah Yeah, I like to go light sometimes at my own detriment.

01:33:31.000 I think you know there's times where Yeah, I think They always say hunt like you're hungry.

01:33:41.000 I've done some research on things and your physiology changes.

01:33:48.000 There's a lot of animals that only hunt when they're hungry.

01:33:51.000 There's some that just always hunt.

01:33:54.000 Not hungry, but literally starving.

01:33:56.000 But you sense more.

01:33:57.000 Your sense of smell is heightened.

01:33:59.000 I think you do, they call it more exploratory sniffing, but you're just taking in more senses and dissecting everything a little bit more.

01:34:06.000 Because everything's sort of ramped up because you need resources?

01:34:09.000 Yeah, because you're hungry.

01:34:10.000 So when you walk into a place, if you walk into a grocery store or a restaurant or you're walking down the street and you're really hungry, you'll smell the turkey roasting a lot further away than you would...

01:34:19.000 If you are on a completely full stomach, because your brain is not searching for food at that point.

01:34:25.000 Yeah, my wife always says don't go grocery shopping when you're hungry.

01:34:28.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:34:28.000 Because then you come home with a bunch of fucking donuts and shit. 1.00

01:34:31.000 When you walk through the bread aisle when you're hungry, you smell the bread. 1.00

01:34:34.000 Yeah.

01:34:35.000 You don't at any other time.

01:34:36.000 You're like, I need bread.

01:34:38.000 That's so true.

01:34:39.000 You never smell it when you're full.

01:34:42.000 That's so true.

01:34:43.000 So physiologically, are there changes that are going on?

01:34:45.000 Yeah, you're doing more exploratory.

01:34:47.000 Well, you're smelling more times.

01:34:50.000 Your brain's processing what's coming in because it's looking for food.

01:34:53.000 So this is actually a measurable fact.

01:34:55.000 Wow.

01:34:56.000 That makes sense.

01:34:57.000 It makes sense that it's designed like that. 0.98

01:34:59.000 And it also makes sense that maybe your senses would be heightened and you'd be less prone to fuck around and really get down to business. 0.99

01:35:12.000 Going backcountry type. 0.93

01:35:13.000 You can't carry everything you need most times.

01:35:16.000 So yeah, you need to drink what water's there.

01:35:18.000 You need to...

01:35:19.000 I mean, I'll bring as much food as I can on a normal trip.

01:35:23.000 But a lot of times I may...

01:35:25.000 Yeah, if you can find something also to eat or catch fish or whatever.

01:35:30.000 It just aids in you being able to stay out there longer.

01:35:33.000 Yeah, but you just have to rely on the ability to do that.

01:35:35.000 And when you don't...

01:35:36.000 Like there was that one trip that you did on Solo Hunter where you...

01:35:39.000 I think it was a mule deer hunt.

01:35:41.000 Yep, in Nevada.

01:35:43.000 Yeah, and you basically were starving to death on TV. Yeah, and part of that was I had food with me on that one, but I was burning way more calories than I was taking in.

01:35:53.000 Because you're hiking in the high country.

01:35:55.000 Yeah, and it was rough, steep stuff, and I didn't bring enough food.

01:36:00.000 But I also wasn't finding any deer, so I just kept staying on and didn't have enough food.

01:36:06.000 And then eventually I found a deer.

01:36:07.000 I was like, finally...

01:36:09.000 When you ate that deer, was that the best tasting thing you've ever eaten in your life?

01:36:12.000 Yeah, it was good.

01:36:12.000 I think I ate the heart raw.

01:36:14.000 Oh, you bit into it on this show!

01:36:17.000 Yeah.

01:36:18.000 Like, when you did the black bear episode, what did you do for that?

01:36:21.000 That was foraging.

01:36:23.000 Oh, so you did all foraging.

01:36:24.000 All foraging.

01:36:26.000 I wouldn't call it a survival episode, because I think that's kind of...

01:36:29.000 It's hard to...

01:36:31.000 I've decided the only real way to do a survival type show would be to film yourself.

01:36:36.000 And that's the truth because...

01:36:38.000 Like Les Trout does.

01:36:39.000 Yeah.

01:36:39.000 And I think like maybe the...

01:36:40.000 I don't know if you've seen Naked and Afraid.

01:36:42.000 Yes.

01:36:42.000 I think that one's...

01:36:43.000 Like the way they have it set up, it could be...

01:36:45.000 It's super legit, in my opinion.

01:36:48.000 But I think also like when you're trying to do...

01:36:52.000 Film a survival show.

01:36:53.000 You're also filming a TV show.

01:36:54.000 So you need to do certain things for filming that are detracting from surviving.

01:36:58.000 So you may not be dedicating 100% attention to finding food and other things, I guess.

01:37:05.000 But, yeah, I didn't bring any food or anything with me.

01:37:07.000 So for three days I foraged like a bear would.

01:37:10.000 And I wasn't intending to hunt anything.

01:37:12.000 I was just foraging.

01:37:14.000 And you'd be like, well, is this a hunting show?

01:37:16.000 Well, it's not really a hunting show.

01:37:17.000 But it's also...

01:37:19.000 I wanted to see what lesson I learned from that.

01:37:22.000 And I learned a pretty sweet lesson as far as why Humans possibly needed to hunt, you know? 0.97

01:37:32.000 As far as it sucks. 0.99

01:37:33.000 Yeah, well, yeah, it devotes so much time, and you're eating, I call them like bitter leafy greens, just sticks and twigs, and it tastes like shit, you know? 0.99

01:37:43.000 And how much calories can you get out of that, though? 0.98

01:37:46.000 Not that much.

01:37:47.000 I mean, you can get enough energy, what I call it is like getting enough energy to go out hunting, because you at some point are going to want A substantial meal.

01:37:58.000 And even just I mean, obviously, like three days, you can fast for, you know, you don't need that food.

01:38:05.000 But when you're working and doing things, like if you were going out hunting, yeah, you're burning a lot of calories to try to get a bigger score that you can have for a longer period of time.

01:38:15.000 Whereas foraging, you're just kind of constantly gathering.

01:38:18.000 Little salads, like little salads with no dressing.

01:38:22.000 So monotonous.

01:38:23.000 You would eat through that so quick, too.

01:38:25.000 Your body would just, like, light that on fire.

01:38:27.000 Yeah. 0.93

01:38:27.000 At some point when you're eating, I mean, like, real bitter stuff like chicory and dandelions and crap, and it's just so bitter. 0.93

01:38:35.000 It's like, I'll just go hungry. 0.51

01:38:36.000 Just longing for some Newman's Own salad dressing.

01:38:39.000 Exactly.

01:38:40.000 Something.

01:38:40.000 Cook it.

01:38:41.000 I was like, this slug would probably be better than that.

01:38:45.000 Now, when you ate the slug, and you said that there was a worm that you could possibly get, the brain worm, did you know about that beforehand?

01:38:51.000 No.

01:38:53.000 Apparently, I've done a lot of things that I find out.

01:38:56.000 I like to do things and then research afterwards.

01:38:58.000 It's kind of like trial by fire.

01:39:00.000 I've dodged a lot of bullets.

01:39:01.000 I guess. 1.00

01:39:02.000 I think they eat rat shit that has something in it. 1.00

01:39:06.000 Who does? 1.00

01:39:07.000 Bears do? 0.97

01:39:08.000 Slugs. 0.95

01:39:08.000 Oh, slugs do. 0.95

01:39:09.000 Oh, slugs eat rat shit and then that's somehow or another. 1.00

01:39:12.000 But it'd be in their intestines. 1.00

01:39:14.000 I know enough to not eat intestines of a lot of things.

01:39:20.000 I didn't even know slugs had intestines.

01:39:22.000 I thought they were just a slug.

01:39:23.000 Yeah, they've got a whole little system going on.

01:39:25.000 A whole tract going on.

01:39:26.000 Yeah.

01:39:27.000 Well, I've fed...

01:39:28.000 My chickens love snails. 0.99

01:39:31.000 They'll fuck a snail up, man. 0.99

01:39:33.000 If they find a snail... 0.99

01:39:34.000 My chickens are funny, man.

01:39:36.000 They'll stand by.

01:39:37.000 Like, if I'll pick up a rock... 0.97

01:39:39.000 They'll wait around the rock, and I'll lift up the rock, and they fucking swarm under the rock looking to get at whatever's in there. 0.93

01:39:46.000 They know now. 1.00

01:39:47.000 Their brains are so small. 1.00

01:39:48.000 They're so stupid. 1.00

01:39:50.000 But they know now that when I go near a rock, I'm going to pick it up for them. 1.00

01:39:54.000 They know there's some shit underneath that rock. 1.00

01:39:55.000 They go after it. 1.00

01:39:56.000 But when they see a snail, they'll fucking fight over it. 0.99

01:39:59.000 They'll check each other out of the way and jack that snail. 0.99

01:40:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:04.000 They're predatory little fuckers. 1.00

01:40:05.000 Snails are a lot better than slugs. 1.00

01:40:07.000 I'm a I mean, Warren's seal of approval.

01:40:10.000 But you ate everything raw.

01:40:12.000 You didn't try to cook anything?

01:40:13.000 No, I cooked stuff too.

01:40:14.000 Did you?

01:40:14.000 Yeah.

01:40:15.000 You'll have to watch the episode.

01:40:16.000 I eat something that might even make fear factor.

01:40:20.000 Really?

01:40:21.000 But it was good.

01:40:22.000 I was like, oh, hey, this is delicious.

01:40:24.000 Now, what about, I saw the Otter episode, and you held your breath for like four minutes, right?

01:40:29.000 Yeah, a little over four minutes.

01:40:30.000 That's crazy.

01:40:31.000 I did it in this studio.

01:40:33.000 I had that guy, the Iceman, Wim Hof.

01:40:35.000 Have you heard of that guy?

01:40:36.000 He's the guy that summited Everest in his shorts with no shirt on.

01:40:41.000 Yeah, with ice shoes on.

01:40:43.000 He ran a half marathon in Finland at 30 below zero weather with no shoes and shorts with no shirt on.

01:40:50.000 Yeah, he's got this crazy breathing method.

01:40:52.000 It's this wild breathing method and he's got 26, I believe, world records.

01:40:59.000 For endurance and cold and the ability to withstand cold.

01:41:03.000 He was supposed to swim 50 yards under the ice to this hole in Antarctica.

01:41:09.000 Was it Antarctica?

01:41:11.000 Wherever it was. 0.99

01:41:12.000 Somewhere cold as fuck where he swam under ice. 0.97

01:41:14.000 Anyway, it was so cold, the water was so cold that his eyeballs froze and he couldn't see. 0.98

01:41:19.000 So he couldn't find where the hole is to pop up at 50 yards in.

01:41:23.000 So he swam back and forth.

01:41:25.000 So we wound up swimming.

01:41:26.000 The actual distance was over a hundred yards underwater.

01:41:29.000 That's crazy.

01:41:30.000 With one breath.

01:41:31.000 Yeah.

01:41:32.000 That's insane.

01:41:33.000 Because holding your breath in cold water is super hard.

01:41:37.000 Yeah.

01:41:37.000 It's really hard.

01:41:38.000 That's one of the things we found on Fear Factor.

01:41:41.000 We'd put these people in cold water and make them do these stunts. 0.98

01:41:44.000 As soon as you get in there, you're...

01:41:46.000 You start shivering and you're using up your oxygen.

01:41:48.000 Have you ever tried the long breath hold thing?

01:41:52.000 The longest I've ever held it was on the show.

01:41:55.000 Two minutes and like 30 seconds or something like that?

01:41:57.000 That's not that long.

01:41:58.000 That two and a half minute threshold, it's a crazy experience.

01:42:03.000 Yeah?

01:42:04.000 Because everybody can hold their breath for that four or five minutes, I think.

01:42:07.000 Yeah, well you did it the first time, you only did it for a couple minutes, right?

01:42:11.000 Well, just like straight out of the gate, no practice, just a minute and a half.

01:42:15.000 And then, yeah, and by the end of the few hours, I was holding my breath for over four minutes.

01:42:20.000 And this was just someone teaching you a method?

01:42:24.000 Well, really, it's just a mental thing.

01:42:26.000 Yeah?

01:42:27.000 It was just knowing that you aren't going to die when your body's screaming that you are.

01:42:32.000 Ah.

01:42:33.000 It's a weird...

01:42:34.000 But once you break the...

01:42:35.000 Once you break through that threshold, you're like...

01:42:40.000 And even when I got up...

01:42:42.000 I was thinking to myself, I could have gone longer.

01:42:44.000 Really?

01:42:45.000 Yeah, because he was there and the first thing they teach you is like when you're with a dive buddy or whatever, these things, he's like, breathe.

01:42:53.000 The first thing they tell you is breathe because you get up and you forget to breathe.

01:42:56.000 Like everybody blacks out at the surface because it's almost like you figured out you really don't need air. 0.55

01:43:02.000 It's just the mental aspect of thinking that you do.

01:43:05.000 It's really weird.

01:43:06.000 And they kind of explain the whole stages of your body that you'll go through and then know when you actually do need to breathe.

01:43:15.000 And it's like the coolest feeling, though, when you get up and you're like, wow.

01:43:20.000 It's a mental thing and a physical thing.

01:43:23.000 It's a cool feeling.

01:43:24.000 Well, it's a primal terror.

01:43:26.000 Not having any air is a primal terror.

01:43:28.000 It makes people panic.

01:43:31.000 And when you're exhausted, that's one of the things that MMA fighters do to each other. 0.94

01:43:36.000 When they're exhausted, they'll cover the other guy's mouth and nose.

01:43:40.000 It's a legal tactic.

01:43:42.000 And you'll see it in grappling matches.

01:43:45.000 A guy will have a guy's back and he's trying to choke him and he'll cover his hole, cover his mouth and his nose. 0.77

01:43:52.000 And when you try to move that guy's hand, that's what will choke you because you're exposing your neck.

01:43:57.000 You might be defending your neck and then they just cover your mouth hole and then you have to open up a little.

01:44:03.000 To try to stop covering your mouth, and that's when they get an arm under your neck.

01:44:07.000 Yeah, and once you start to panic, you use up all that essential oxygen.

01:44:12.000 Well, Wim Hof has held his breath for seven minutes.

01:44:15.000 And I was like, Jesus Christ.

01:44:16.000 Just sitting here?

01:44:17.000 Yeah, he can just hold it for seven minutes.

01:44:19.000 Yeah.

01:44:20.000 He's held it for seven minutes underwater, I think, too.

01:44:22.000 Yeah, there's people that can go 12 plus.

01:44:25.000 But didn't David Blaine make some world records?

01:44:29.000 I think so, yeah.

01:44:30.000 And what he did, he lung-packed with pure oxygen, is what I heard.

01:44:34.000 Yeah.

01:44:35.000 Yeah, he, like, breathed in from a tank or something like that, right?

01:44:38.000 And then it allows you to hold it much longer, I guess.

01:44:42.000 Yeah.

01:44:43.000 But still.

01:44:43.000 That first, like, well, if you did two and a half minutes, that first minute feels like forever.

01:44:49.000 Yeah, I probably could have kept going a little longer, but I was starting to panic.

01:44:52.000 Yeah, you just get...

01:44:53.000 The other thing, though, is to initiate the mammalian dive reflux, you need to, like...

01:44:58.000 Splash your face with water.

01:44:59.000 You need to kind of like lower your heart rate, kind of almost meditation style, lower your heart rate, get into a place where your body's ready for it.

01:45:08.000 That's what they call mammalian dive reflex?

01:45:10.000 Yeah, it's the same reflex that whales and all aquatic mammals use to hold their breath.

01:45:17.000 And humans have the exact same dive reflex that whales have.

01:45:20.000 Have you ever heard the theory of the aquatic ape?

01:45:24.000 No.

01:45:24.000 It's a really fascinating theory about human beings.

01:45:27.000 They believe that human beings evolved around water.

01:45:31.000 And that's why our babies are so fat. 0.83

01:45:33.000 Because like a chimp baby, chimp babies are sinewy. 1.00

01:45:37.000 They come out of the gate like yoked. 0.99

01:45:39.000 Chimp babies like this. 1.00

01:45:40.000 They're fucking shredded. 1.00

01:45:42.000 And our babies are so fat. 1.00

01:45:44.000 And the idea is that our babies, like if you take a chimp baby and you throw it in the water, apparently the little fucker will drown. 1.00

01:45:50.000 But if you take a human baby and you throw it in the water, the baby will hold its breath. 1.00

01:45:54.000 Right.

01:45:55.000 Yeah, it's that mammalian dive reflex.

01:45:57.000 We automatically know how to hold our breath.

01:46:00.000 Yeah, so there's a theory.

01:46:01.000 We don't know how to swim, though.

01:46:02.000 That's where it came from, that we literally evolved to be around water and we're around water, which kind of almost makes sense when you think about the fact that the high population centers are always around ports.

01:46:14.000 Yeah.

01:46:15.000 We're always around water, and that's how we've been traveling back and forth for eons.

01:46:19.000 Well, there's a lot of food underwater as well.

01:46:22.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:46:23.000 Now, when you did the otter episode, did you try to eat shit that you found under the water, like an otter? 0.92

01:46:29.000 I did an open water spearfishing thing. 0.95

01:46:31.000 Oh, that's right.

01:46:32.000 Yeah.

01:46:33.000 Yeah, spearfishing is like not fishing.

01:46:35.000 It's like underwater hunting.

01:46:37.000 Yeah, that's cool.

01:46:37.000 It's fun.

01:46:39.000 I've done it before, and once I did this, like, learned from a guy who really knows what he's doing, I realized that everything I had done in the past probably should have killed me.

01:46:49.000 It's like, the top ten things not to do, I did.

01:46:52.000 Like what?

01:46:53.000 What are those things?

01:46:54.000 Let your air out.

01:46:55.000 As I would swim up.

01:46:57.000 And I would dive pretty deep without anybody.

01:47:01.000 Like without a buddy. 1.00

01:47:03.000 And just all kinds of stupid stuff. 1.00

01:47:05.000 So did you do the proper calculations? 1.00

01:47:08.000 Like Bourdain was telling me he loves scuba diving.

01:47:11.000 But he said one of the hardest things...

01:47:13.000 Was learning the calculations, like you've been this deep for this long, so you have to go to this area and wait, and then go to that area and wait.

01:47:21.000 There's calculations that you have to do to make sure you don't get the bends.

01:47:25.000 You don't do that when you take a breath from the surface.

01:47:28.000 Because when you're scuba diving, you're breathing compressed air.

01:47:31.000 So as you go different depths in the water, the pressure changes on your body, so the amount of oxygen in that space changes.

01:47:39.000 So if you take a breath, like if you dove down, Took a breath from compressed air and went up, your lungs would explode.

01:47:45.000 You'd be dead.

01:47:46.000 Whoa.

01:47:46.000 That's why when you free dive, it's one breath.

01:47:48.000 You can't be down there and go emergency sipping on oxygen and then shoot up to the surface because you'll float right up to the top and explode.

01:47:56.000 Oh, wow.

01:47:57.000 You'd be dead.

01:47:58.000 If you take it from the surface, your lungs change with the space of air.

01:48:04.000 If that makes sense.

01:48:05.000 That does make sense.

01:48:06.000 So as you dive deeper, your lungs compact, but what that does is it puts the same amount of oxygen in a smaller amount of space.

01:48:14.000 So it's almost like you feel you have more breath, I guess, but you feel the pressure.

01:48:21.000 And then as you go up, your lungs expand, so it kind of feels...

01:48:23.000 So you can kind of play with your breath hold based on the depths that you're at.

01:48:28.000 I've never been in deep water before, but I would imagine the pressure must feel really freaky.

01:48:34.000 What does it feel like on your body?

01:48:37.000 It just feels heavy to pressure.

01:48:42.000 Wow.

01:48:43.000 I never thought about that before.

01:48:45.000 And so your buoyancy changes as well.

01:48:46.000 So it depends how deep you're diving, but I was weighted for 33 feet.

01:48:52.000 So at 33 feet, I would float to the top.

01:48:55.000 Below 33 feet, you sink.

01:48:58.000 So the first 33 feet, you kick down.

01:49:01.000 You're kicking harder because you're floating.

01:49:03.000 Once you get past that, you can slowly kick to change the amount of energy you're doing.

01:49:09.000 You can keep going down, down, down because you're sinking.

01:49:12.000 And then when you come back up, you need to kick hard.

01:49:14.000 And then once you hit 33 feet, you pretty much just float to the surface.

01:49:17.000 So if you blacked out...

01:49:19.000 As long as you're above 33 feet, you'll pop back up.

01:49:21.000 Wow.

01:49:22.000 So on your way up, because most of the blackouts happen at the top. 1.00

01:49:24.000 What kind of crazy assholes figured out how to take air, stick it in a tank, connect a tube? 0.98

01:49:31.000 I mean, when did they first start doing that? 1.00

01:49:32.000 When did scuba diving first start getting done?

01:49:34.000 I'm not sure.

01:49:36.000 I know they used to pump it from the surface in the big helmets, you know?

01:49:40.000 Oh, that's right!

01:49:41.000 Yeah, so they'd be on the top.

01:49:42.000 I remember watching videos about that. 1.00

01:49:44.000 Boy, those fucking things must have leaked like crazy, too. 1.00

01:49:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:48.000 They'd probably use tree sap and shit. 0.99

01:49:51.000 Just lead suit. 1.00

01:49:54.000 Just drop you in like a rock. 1.00

01:49:55.000 The first time somebody got the bends, they'd probably go, what's wrong with this pussy? 1.00

01:49:58.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:49:59.000 Probably had a new idea.

01:50:01.000 They were just making it up as they went along.

01:50:03.000 But free diving is not the same issues, right?

01:50:06.000 You could take a deep breath and you can go as deep as you want and come back up as quick as you want, right?

01:50:11.000 Yep.

01:50:11.000 No speed.

01:50:12.000 And that's how you did it.

01:50:13.000 Yep.

01:50:14.000 So that seems to me like super risky though, right?

01:50:18.000 Like if you're down there and you're running out of air, that's got to be...

01:50:21.000 No?

01:50:23.000 I don't know.

01:50:24.000 I mean, it could be.

01:50:25.000 I guess if you...

01:50:26.000 So I think it's like anything if you do it safely.

01:50:29.000 Right.

01:50:29.000 Yeah, it's kind of unnerving.

01:50:31.000 When you dive down and you look up and it's like you're really deep.

01:50:34.000 And you're holding your breath.

01:50:36.000 You're holding your breath.

01:50:36.000 But if you start to panic, you're going to – it's counterproductive.

01:50:40.000 Right.

01:50:40.000 You're going to use up your – so when you feel like you're out of air and you start panicking – Then you're gonna be out of air faster.

01:50:48.000 Fucked. 1.00

01:50:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:50:49.000 Now, when you do it, and you dive down, and you go as deep as you can, and then you're spearfishing, do you have, like, a watch on that tells you, like, where you're at?

01:50:58.000 No.

01:50:59.000 Or are you just going based on, I can hang in here if I get another 30 seconds, then I gotta start heading up?

01:51:04.000 Yeah, pretty much.

01:51:04.000 And you can, like, you could drop a line down that you could almost see, like, dive by a line that has markings on it, I guess.

01:51:10.000 I mean, I'm by no means a dive expert.

01:51:13.000 Right.

01:51:13.000 But...

01:51:14.000 I mean, it's one thing that I do enjoy doing.

01:51:17.000 It seems awesome.

01:51:18.000 Yeah.

01:51:19.000 Now, when you do do it, though, what is the longest time you've ever...

01:51:23.000 I mean, you held your breath for four minutes.

01:51:25.000 What was the longest time you ever held your breath while you were free diving and spearfishing?

01:51:28.000 Probably two minutes.

01:51:30.000 Two minutes.

01:51:30.000 Yeah.

01:51:30.000 It's about half.

01:51:31.000 Because you can go...

01:51:32.000 What you would do is go down, say, 40 feet and just hang for a minute and then get back up.

01:51:39.000 It's like 30 seconds down, minute.

01:51:42.000 Back up to the surface.

01:51:43.000 And so you're going to like a reef or something like that?

01:51:45.000 Yeah, or just like, for that episode we were in open ocean.

01:51:48.000 Most everything I've done before was fishing around, like spearfishing around reefs.

01:51:52.000 But this was...

01:51:54.000 Open ocean.

01:51:56.000 That's kind of weird because you're kicking down and there's no bottom.

01:51:59.000 Just blue water.

01:52:00.000 You see a giant shark swim by.

01:52:02.000 You saw sharks?

01:52:03.000 Yeah.

01:52:03.000 Oh, God.

01:52:04.000 But then you get there, you hang, and you see this whole school of fish, and then they come up to you.

01:52:09.000 Like, big school of big fish.

01:52:11.000 I mean, these are 40-pound fish.

01:52:13.000 There's a video that somebody sent me from South Africa of these guys.

01:52:16.000 South Africa?

01:52:17.000 Maybe Australia.

01:52:18.000 Not sure.

01:52:19.000 I think it was Australia now that I think about it.

01:52:20.000 These guys caught a marlin and they're bringing in the marlin and a shark mauls it like feet from the boat.

01:52:27.000 Like six, seven feet from the boat.

01:52:30.000 Cuts it in half.

01:52:31.000 And all they pull up is the fin.

01:52:32.000 Or the nose.

01:52:35.000 What do they call it?

01:52:36.000 It's a big shark.

01:52:36.000 What do they call it?

01:52:37.000 The sword.

01:52:38.000 The sword.

01:52:38.000 Whatever it is.

01:52:40.000 Like, everything from the gills back is gone.

01:52:42.000 It was a big shark.

01:52:43.000 It was a great white.

01:52:44.000 Just severed it in half. 0.88

01:52:45.000 Smashed it. 1.00

01:52:46.000 It's like, fuck that. 1.00

01:52:48.000 Fuck all that. 1.00

01:52:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:52:50.000 Yeah.

01:52:51.000 They throw a propane tank in there and try to shoot it with a.30-06 afterwards.

01:52:57.000 Great movie.

01:52:58.000 Now, when you saw the big shark, did you freak out at all?

01:53:01.000 No, and it was gone as quick as it appeared.

01:53:04.000 It was pretty cool, though, because I needed a break after a while because it was just kind of starting to get seasick.

01:53:11.000 And I got on the boat and Dan Doty threw a line in and caught a fish.

01:53:17.000 And he's fighting this fish.

01:53:18.000 It's like, sweet!

01:53:19.000 And then all of a sudden his rod just doubles over.

01:53:21.000 The fish is gone.

01:53:22.000 That shark just hammered it. 0.59

01:53:24.000 Took it.

01:53:25.000 Oh my god.

01:53:26.000 It's pretty cool.

01:53:27.000 That is cool.

01:53:28.000 And then the shark was gone.

01:53:29.000 We only saw it briefly.

01:53:30.000 I don't even remember what kind it was. 1.00

01:53:33.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:53:34.000 But I mean it ate a 40 pound fish. 1.00

01:53:36.000 Where were you guys again when you were fishing?

01:53:38.000 Gulf of Mexico, Florida.

01:53:40.000 Yeah, there's a lot of fish down there and a lot of sharks.

01:53:42.000 Yeah, it was cool.

01:53:44.000 The whole west coast of California, like down through Mexico, a lot of sharks.

01:53:49.000 Apparently there's a breeding area that's around San Francisco.

01:53:53.000 Like San Francisco, the Great Whites, they breed up there. 1.00

01:53:57.000 Which is very unnerving.

01:53:59.000 Yeah.

01:54:00.000 Right outside of a city, the biggest monster predator on the planet.

01:54:04.000 Between San Francisco and Alcatraz.

01:54:06.000 Yeah.

01:54:06.000 Yeah, right there.

01:54:07.000 Yeah, where people are swimming.

01:54:09.000 Yeah.

01:54:09.000 That's where they breed.

01:54:10.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:54:12.000 Fuck all that. 1.00

01:54:14.000 Have you seen that? 1.00

01:54:15.000 I'm sure you've had to have seen that video.

01:54:17.000 I just recently saw it, though.

01:54:18.000 I'm kind of outdated.

01:54:19.000 But...

01:54:21.000 The surf competition where the dude, the shark grabs it.

01:54:23.000 That's pretty cool.

01:54:24.000 Yeah.

01:54:24.000 It's crazy.

01:54:26.000 Well, explain what happened.

01:54:28.000 Well, he's paddling in a surf competition.

01:54:30.000 Then all of a sudden, the guy just went under, right?

01:54:34.000 Yeah.

01:54:34.000 The shark grabbed, somehow went for the board and got his leash.

01:54:39.000 Yeah.

01:54:40.000 It was funny because the announcers had no clue what was going on.

01:54:43.000 They're just kind of talking normal.

01:54:45.000 It'd be like you announcing UFC and a bear coming in and eating the dude and just continuing on like, oh, something strange is going on out there.

01:54:53.000 Nate Diaz has disappeared from the octagon.

01:54:57.000 Yeah.

01:54:57.000 What about, there was one that you did that was a Golden Eagle one.

01:55:01.000 What did you do with that one?

01:55:02.000 We looked at the way that the eagle uses vision.

01:55:07.000 I mean, they can see prey animals from up to two miles away, which is insane.

01:55:12.000 I've heard that about bald eagles in Alaska that they can see fish on the water.

01:55:16.000 Yeah.

01:55:17.000 Like fish that are coming up on the surface they could see for miles.

01:55:20.000 Yeah.

01:55:20.000 They say that eagles have, well, even as they're flying, they can see things so much faster.

01:55:25.000 It's almost like if you explain a camera the way it has frame rates.

01:55:29.000 You can change the frame rate of a camera.

01:55:30.000 It's how many frames per second.

01:55:32.000 Well, we have essentially the same thing in our brain of how many images we can see per second.

01:55:36.000 So if something's moving real fast, we can't see it.

01:55:38.000 Whereas the Eagle, as it's flying, it sees more images at once.

01:55:43.000 Plus they have two centers of focus in their eye, so they can focus near and far simultaneously.

01:55:48.000 Whereas our eyes change, we look at our hands and everything else is blurry, and we look at the wall and our hands are blurry.

01:55:53.000 But they can focus on two things at the exact same time.

01:55:56.000 So they're looking at it like...

01:55:59.000 Like a video camera.

01:56:00.000 Yeah.

01:56:01.000 Instead of like a film camera.

01:56:03.000 Yeah.

01:56:03.000 Or a video camera.

01:56:05.000 This might be too technical, but a video camera with a high f-stop.

01:56:09.000 That means that like it's...

01:56:11.000 But it's actually different.

01:56:13.000 Like the less light you let in, the more things are in focus.

01:56:17.000 But they have two centers of focus where our eyes just have one.

01:56:22.000 Huh.

01:56:22.000 Yeah.

01:56:23.000 Wow.

01:56:24.000 Yeah.

01:56:25.000 But then we related that to using optics and being able to sit up on a mountaintop and spot animals from two plus miles away consistently.

01:56:36.000 Yeah, that's the one thing that animals haven't figured out yet.

01:56:39.000 Optics.

01:56:39.000 Yeah.

01:56:40.000 Imagine if you could get an eagle pair of binoculars.

01:56:42.000 Yeah.

01:56:42.000 Well, the eagle, yeah, it's got the optics built into its head.

01:56:46.000 I wonder if they, I mean, they can spot things from miles away, but I mean, I wonder if they have, like, a magnified vision.

01:56:54.000 Yeah, they do.

01:56:55.000 They do.

01:56:56.000 It's just like looking through optics.

01:56:58.000 I mean, they can spot things.

01:56:59.000 Their visions...

01:57:00.000 It's hard to quantify it as...

01:57:03.000 Because we use numbers with our optics like eight times or...

01:57:07.000 They say an antelope has like eight power binocular vision, so you throw up your eight power binoculars and it's like what an antelope says.

01:57:14.000 But they also obviously can see right in front of them when they're eating their food.

01:57:17.000 So it's different.

01:57:18.000 So they can see as they're flying, they can look like on the hill two miles away and right below them.

01:57:24.000 It's such a fast rate that they can spot things.

01:57:26.000 They kind of have a search image in their head of what an animal looks like and then when they see it, they key on it and fly.

01:57:32.000 That direction.

01:57:33.000 That's one of the more fascinating things about vision is that so many different animals have different kinds of vision that have simultaneously evolved.

01:57:40.000 Yeah.

01:57:41.000 Like the octopus, which is another animal that you study.

01:57:44.000 Okay, hands down, coolest animal on the planet.

01:57:47.000 Really?

01:57:47.000 I don't even know if it's from this planet now.

01:57:49.000 Really?

01:57:50.000 It's so weird.

01:57:51.000 In what way?

01:57:52.000 Okay, their vision.

01:57:54.000 They don't see the octopus.

01:57:57.000 The one thing I was looking at is their ability to camouflage.

01:57:59.000 And I don't think a lot of people realize that's probably the most amazing thing about the octopus.

01:58:04.000 If you can find a video of octopus, they can shapeshift and change their color and shape instantly.

01:58:12.000 Have you ever seen that?

01:58:13.000 No.

01:58:14.000 Oh, this is going to blow your mind.

01:58:15.000 Yet, we don't know how...

01:58:17.000 With all of our technology, we cannot replicate it, and we don't know how they do it.

01:58:21.000 But they have chromatophores in their skin, which is like pigment cells, and they can change the color of their skin, but because they have no bones, they can also adjust the shape instantaneously to match whatever's around them.

01:58:34.000 Like coral.

01:58:35.000 Yeah.

01:58:35.000 Well, they can...

01:58:36.000 Whatever it is.

01:58:37.000 Like multiple colors...

01:58:38.000 And they can match it identically, yet they don't see color.

01:58:42.000 But they can match the color identically.

01:58:44.000 So they almost feel like...

01:58:46.000 We don't know how this works, but there is a running theory that they somehow see through their skin that we don't understand.

01:58:54.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:58:56.000 You gotta see these videos.

01:58:57.000 There's a bunch of videos of just octopus camouflaging themselves.

01:59:01.000 There's one clip that we use in the show where it goes up to this rock and instantly morphs itself.

01:59:09.000 It's a live-action cloaking mechanism.

01:59:13.000 Crazy.

01:59:14.000 That's a great way of describing it.

01:59:16.000 This one...

01:59:17.000 I'm going to have a tough time showing it to the audience because YouTube might take it down, but...

01:59:21.000 Okay, well, let's just show it to us.

01:59:24.000 So we won't put it on the...

01:59:26.000 What's the name of this for people?

01:59:29.000 Okay, Shapeshifting Octopus. 1.00

01:59:31.000 Okay, so we'll look at it and people on YouTube, go fuck yourself. 1.00

01:59:37.000 Slow motion right now, by the way. 1.00

01:59:38.000 So this is slow motion and it's, oh my god.

01:59:42.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:59:43.000 Do you even see that octopus?

01:59:45.000 Whoa! 1.00

01:59:46.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:59:47.000 And people don't really know that they do that. 0.99

01:59:50.000 Well, describe what we're looking at for people that can't see this.

01:59:53.000 The octopus goes to a rock that has multiple textures on it.

01:59:58.000 I would say there's some kelp and some kind of plant materials, a brown rock.

02:00:03.000 It changes its skin to match probably... 0.94

02:00:08.000 We see three, four colors in there.

02:00:10.000 Well, that's not even a rock.

02:00:12.000 And the texture.

02:00:12.000 That's a plant.

02:00:14.000 Yeah, it's a plant.

02:00:15.000 So it became that algae.

02:00:17.000 Exactly. 0.99

02:00:18.000 That's fucking insane. 0.99

02:00:19.000 I need to see that again. 0.99

02:00:21.000 I had no idea they could do that.

02:00:23.000 They do it instantaneously, too.

02:00:25.000 There's some videos of it where it's so fast.

02:00:29.000 Within a second, it changes.

02:00:31.000 That's the way they had to play it in slow motion.

02:00:33.000 So that right there, we're looking at an octopus.

02:00:35.000 That is insane!

02:00:36.000 That's insane. 1.00

02:00:37.000 That is fucking insane. 1.00

02:00:39.000 That is a goddamn alien. 1.00

02:00:40.000 And then he shoots ink and disappears. 1.00

02:00:43.000 So he follows it, and then it does it again.

02:00:46.000 Boom.

02:00:47.000 Clungs down to the ground.

02:00:49.000 So now if you were looking down on it, it's matching the spots and everything of the ground.

02:00:54.000 That is insane.

02:00:56.000 That is insane.

02:00:59.000 So now it's a slow-motion version of it.

02:01:02.000 I want to see the fast-motion version of it again, because it doesn't even make sense.

02:01:05.000 But the slow-motion version is really cool, too.

02:01:08.000 We're looking at this thing, and I swear, it has all the bumps of algae.

02:01:13.000 It looks like the Predator from the movie, when it becomes the octopus again.

02:01:18.000 It's a cloaking mechanism.

02:01:20.000 That's what I was talking about earlier, as far as camouflage goes.

02:01:23.000 We put so much science into camouflage, and this is...

02:01:28.000 This is the et-all, be-all of camouflage.

02:01:31.000 If we could figure that out, as far as any application for it, that's what we aspire to.

02:01:36.000 And yet, with all of our technology, I hopped in a plane and flew all this way while I was, you know, emailing someone across the country simultaneously.

02:01:45.000 Yet, we can't figure out how the octopus does that.

02:01:47.000 That is a...

02:01:47.000 I had no idea.

02:01:48.000 I had no idea.

02:01:49.000 Because, I mean, we're not exaggerating this, folks.

02:01:52.000 If you're watching this, or if you're listening, you really have to watch this.

02:01:55.000 I've never seen this before.

02:01:57.000 Isn't it crazy?

02:01:57.000 So one of the things is, like, we brought this to light in the show, is this is the fact that people should learn about the octopus.

02:02:04.000 And it's not like a thing it does every once in a while.

02:02:06.000 It does it constantly.

02:02:07.000 It's always doing that.

02:02:08.000 Look at this one.

02:02:09.000 Whoa.

02:02:11.000 And every species of octopus can do it. 1.00

02:02:13.000 What the fucking colors, man? 1.00

02:02:15.000 Crazy. 1.00

02:02:16.000 This is incredible.

02:02:18.000 The shapes.

02:02:19.000 It's amazing.

02:02:21.000 Well, they're so f- Oh, Jesus Christ. 0.99

02:02:23.000 Crazy. 0.99

02:02:24.000 They just turned into some stripe thing. 0.98

02:02:26.000 They'll also make themselves look like another, like, almost look like a predator.

02:02:30.000 So if something bigger is coming at them, they'll boom, flash and make like an eye and crazy stuff to protect themselves.

02:02:36.000 Wow.

02:02:37.000 I almost feel bad eating them, but they're my favorite sushi.

02:02:40.000 I really enjoy them.

02:02:42.000 It's okay.

02:02:43.000 They live very, very short lives as well.

02:02:46.000 Do they?

02:02:47.000 And their brain capacity, they advance so fast.

02:02:51.000 An octopus lives about two years.

02:02:53.000 That's it?

02:02:54.000 Even these giant Pacific octopus, maybe, I guess, well, I just think they live, I can't remember exactly, three, four years maybe, tops.

02:03:02.000 That's it.

02:03:02.000 Yeah, and then, but they learn rapidly.

02:03:05.000 Like, they can figure out, what the fuck is that? 0.99

02:03:08.000 As an octopus. 1.00

02:03:09.000 What the fuck is that? 1.00

02:03:10.000 It looks like a bear with an algae suit on and it's running on two legs. 1.00

02:03:16.000 While looking like a stick.

02:03:17.000 While looking like some piece of floating coral or some plant matter.

02:03:24.000 That is insane.

02:03:25.000 I literally had no idea.

02:03:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:03:28.000 That's probably one of the most amazing things I discovered while doing this shit. 0.97

02:03:31.000 Did you have any idea before this? 0.98

02:03:34.000 Not to this capacity.

02:03:36.000 And I'm thinking to myself, how did I not know?

02:03:38.000 I feel like I know a decent amount about a lot of things.

02:03:41.000 Get some more, Jamie.

02:03:42.000 There should be...

02:03:43.000 I wish I could find the...

02:03:44.000 I wish we had that episode going right now.

02:03:47.000 It's going to air here in a few weeks.

02:03:49.000 Well, when it airs, text me when that one's going to air, and the next day we'll play some clips from it if we can.

02:03:58.000 You guys won't pull us off YouTube, right?

02:03:59.000 Nah, nah.

02:04:00.000 You can do whatever you want.

02:04:01.000 He pulls us off YouTube.

02:04:03.000 I really had no idea.

02:04:07.000 Look at that, man.

02:04:08.000 I thought they just became like the color.

02:04:11.000 I didn't know that they could assume the texture of algae.

02:04:15.000 And when we're talking about the texture of algae, we're not exaggerating.

02:04:18.000 I mean, it looks like leaves.

02:04:20.000 And it goes to the sand.

02:04:20.000 Like, look at that!

02:04:21.000 And then it goes back.

02:04:23.000 Look at the speed that it changes instantaneously.

02:04:26.000 Oh, my God.

02:04:29.000 Instant. 0.99

02:04:31.000 And they're really fucking smart, too. 0.96

02:04:33.000 That's the other weird thing. 0.97

02:04:34.000 So we were in the...

02:04:36.000 This wasn't on the show, so I don't mind talking about it.

02:04:38.000 Because there was this one octopus, and we were just kind of like messing with it in the grab. 0.89

02:04:42.000 You know, their suckers are pretty strong and on you.

02:04:45.000 And we would use these little pieces of fish.

02:04:49.000 And there was this thing that was like a wand where we could kind of lure it out.

02:04:53.000 Well...

02:04:54.000 It had figured out the fish was sitting up on the top of the tank.

02:04:58.000 So it, like, distracted us by grabbing the wand, and as we're doing this, our arm reaches up, grabs the whole dish, and brings it in. 0.81

02:05:05.000 It's like, screw you guys, I'm not playing your game anymore. 0.56

02:05:07.000 It was so weird. 0.99

02:05:09.000 Like, smarter than I was.

02:05:11.000 Well, you've heard about the fish tank that was missing.

02:05:14.000 The guy was missing some really expensive tropical fish, and he had two fish tanks across from each other, and they set up a camera, and he watched the octopus climb out of one tank, go across the floor, climb up the other tank, lift up the lid, climb inside, jack the fish, eat it,

02:05:30.000 climb back out of the tank, go across the floor again, back into his tank.

02:05:35.000 Yeah, the Denver Aquarium where we did this episode at had locks on the octopus tank top.

02:05:42.000 Padlocks.

02:05:44.000 Look at that, man.

02:05:45.000 It's crazy.

02:05:45.000 It makes you wonder, like, what kind of life is out there in the universe if this is on our own planet and that is an alien.

02:05:52.000 It's weird.

02:05:53.000 And I've heard that they can figure out if you put a fish... 0.99

02:05:57.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

02:05:57.000 Look at this. 0.99

02:06:01.000 Dude, if you saw that on the ground, if something just popped up like that on the ground and looked like that, you'd say, oh, this is obviously some sort of a poisonous fucking monster. 0.99

02:06:09.000 I gotta run away from this thing. 0.99

02:06:10.000 And they'll change based on thinking predators are after them.

02:06:14.000 That looks like a poisonous moray eel right there.

02:06:17.000 It's like white.

02:06:17.000 Yeah.

02:06:19.000 Black and white stripes.

02:06:21.000 And then the fact that it can go from black and white stripes to all tan and looking like a piece of coral to green and looking like algae. 0.99

02:06:31.000 What the fuck? 0.99

02:06:32.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:06:34.000 The crab's like, hey bitch. 1.00

02:06:35.000 And it's puffing its body up to look bigger. 1.00

02:06:37.000 Yeah, and it's going to eat that crab. 1.00

02:06:40.000 That's what it's going to do.

02:06:41.000 The crab knows it, too. 0.99

02:06:42.000 That's the fucked up thing about it. 0.99

02:06:44.000 They'll jack crabs and lobsters and shit, and they just engulf them, and then inside of them, they have this beak. 0.99

02:06:51.000 Yes. 0.98

02:06:51.000 Have you seen the evidence of the kraken that they found, the fossil evidence? 0.98

02:06:56.000 No. 1.00

02:06:56.000 Pull that shit up, Jamie. 1.00

02:06:58.000 They recently discovered, I think within the last five or six years, they discovered these fossilized suction cups from an enormous octopus. 1.00

02:07:08.000 And they think that at one point in time, the idea of the kraken Like, that was like a mythological creature that there was some enormous octopus that would take out boats and shit and kill people.

02:07:22.000 They think there really was something that was that big now.

02:07:24.000 Well, there's quite a few species of, like, even giant squid that we've never actually seen alive.

02:07:29.000 Maybe now we have, but...

02:07:31.000 Well, we've seen a few of them now, but they're really recently, too, like within the last decade.

02:07:36.000 Like, look at that.

02:07:36.000 They think this is from a 100-foot-long octopus.

02:07:41.000 It's a fossil.

02:07:42.000 Imagine a 100-foot octopus that's as smart as they are. 0.69

02:07:46.000 They would kind of tap one side of the boat as you go look over the ocean.

02:07:50.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

02:07:51.000 It's crazy.

02:07:51.000 Well, they probably jacked people out of boats.

02:07:53.000 They probably really did if they found out they could eat people.

02:07:55.000 I mean, look, a person, especially back then, people were tiny.

02:07:59.000 Yeah.

02:07:59.000 You know, like the average Roman soldier, I think, was only like five foot two or something like that or five foot three.

02:08:06.000 People were really little back then.

02:08:07.000 Like Civil War, in the Civil War, the average man that was fighting the Civil War was 130 pounds.

02:08:13.000 They were like tiny little people.

02:08:15.000 Wow. 0.99

02:08:15.000 Because nobody had any fucking food. 0.99

02:08:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:08:17.000 They hadn't figured out proper hunting methods.

02:08:20.000 They weren't recreationally working out either.

02:08:22.000 Yeah.

02:08:23.000 We're just working.

02:08:24.000 There was no, you know, weight gaining powder that you buy from GNC. No one was doing squats.

02:08:30.000 And these fucking giant 100 foot octopus probably would jack those people. 1.00

02:08:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:08:36.000 I mean, it only makes sense. 1.00

02:08:37.000 They would just...

02:08:38.000 Why would they...

02:08:38.000 They don't have morals.

02:08:40.000 You know, the idea that, well, the humans are our friends.

02:08:43.000 No.

02:08:43.000 No, they'd flip that boat over.

02:08:45.000 But imagine just looking in the water and seeing a 100-foot octopus.

02:08:50.000 I mean, a 100-foot octopus is many times bigger than the room we're in.

02:08:54.000 Right.

02:08:55.000 Yeah, and they change their size, too.

02:08:59.000 They fill up, I mean... 0.99

02:09:00.000 Many times bigger than this fucking room we're in, man. 0.99

02:09:04.000 Door to door here. 1.00

02:09:06.000 From here to here.

02:09:07.000 How big is this place?

02:09:08.000 What would it be?

02:09:10.000 20 feet?

02:09:11.000 20 feet.

02:09:11.000 Maybe.

02:09:12.000 Right.

02:09:12.000 Five times bigger than that!

02:09:14.000 A fucking octopus! 1.00

02:09:16.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:09:17.000 Jesus, Jamie!

02:09:18.000 Is that just its head?

02:09:20.000 I think its whole body, from tip to tip to head.

02:09:23.000 I think it says they found it in Nevada, too.

02:09:25.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:09:26.000 Of course.

02:09:26.000 Probably it's like the Berlinic theosaurus area or something.

02:09:29.000 Yeah, probably.

02:09:30.000 If they found it in Nevada, that means Nevada was probably underwater, just like parts of Montana that they keep finding.

02:09:36.000 The Great Basin Lake.

02:09:37.000 It was the largest lake in North America.

02:09:40.000 Look at that, man.

02:09:41.000 Look at that.

02:09:44.000 How do you say that?

02:09:45.000 Ichthyosaur State Park in Nevada may be a part of the beak of an ancient giant cephalopod such as an octopus or a squid.

02:09:55.000 Wow.

02:09:55.000 I used to go there, look around as a kid, you'd find, see some cool stuff.

02:10:00.000 Yeah, okay, so this was 2013 that they found this.

02:10:03.000 So I was reading this thing about, it was on DIG, and DIG is a great website, like a portal to a bunch of other really cool articles, and it had one of them where they were saying they will never find all the dinosaurs because of the nature of gathering fossils.

02:10:19.000 Right.

02:10:20.000 Fossils, they find apparently, see if you can find that article because I don't want to misquote it, but I think they were saying that they find two new species of dinosaur a month.

02:10:31.000 Wow.

02:10:32.000 Yeah.

02:10:33.000 Like, what?

02:10:35.000 I think the name of the article is, we'll never find all the dinosaurs.

02:10:40.000 But I think that was one of the things that they were saying, was there are so many dinosaurs we're finding, but the nature of a fossil being discovered, or created rather, when we die, most likely we will not be fossils.

02:10:53.000 We'll just rot, and then we'll get eaten by bacteria.

02:10:56.000 Bacteria or whatever and rodents and whoever the fuck eats our bones and that'll be the end of it like if you leave I mean I'm sure many times you've stumbled across some bones out in the woods yeah there were some animal and you know what you're saying is just like what remains and if you came back in 10 years that'll be gone too yeah well think about a million years think about 10 million years now think about 65 million years the last time we had dinosaurs now think about 250 million years was another extinction event So, 0.55

02:11:26.000 look at that.

02:11:27.000 So, you see if you find what the number is, because if you scroll down, they were talking about, part of the article was how often they find...

02:11:39.000 This is not the same article, although it has the same...

02:11:42.000 I think it's the same...

02:11:44.000 It might have been an aggregate thing, where they took it from one scientific study and made a bunch of articles about the...

02:11:53.000 With the same title, but they don't know.

02:11:56.000 They don't know how many dinosaurs they were. 0.99

02:11:59.000 They don't know what the fuck they all looked like. 0.95

02:12:01.000 There's probably a shitload of them that everybody ate and they can't find any fossils of them. 0.99

02:12:06.000 Like the chickens of the dinosaur world.

02:12:08.000 Good luck finding them.

02:12:10.000 The bottom of the food chain.

02:12:11.000 Well, that's why it's amazing to me when they find something like that hobbit person, you know, that thing that they found in the island of Flores. 1.00

02:12:18.000 Do you know about all that?

02:12:19.000 I heard about it.

02:12:20.000 It was 13,000 years ago was the closest one, or the most recent one, rather.

02:12:27.000 And it was a tiny little human-type thing that was like three feet tall when it was fully grown, and it was like humanoid.

02:12:36.000 And it was smaller-brained than a human.

02:12:39.000 Dwarfs.

02:12:40.000 Yeah, like a hobbit. 0.94

02:12:41.000 But it wasn't like dwarfism in it?

02:12:43.000 No.

02:12:44.000 Well, there was a debate about that, but then they found enough fossils where they said, nope, this is a totally different thing.

02:12:50.000 At first they were saying, you know, I think the first...

02:12:55.000 First discovery, they were saying this is a new species, but they were pretty cautious about it.

02:12:59.000 They were saying, well, it might be someone who has some sort of a weird disease.

02:13:02.000 Then they found a bunch of them.

02:13:03.000 And then there was some speculation that they believe they're wiped out by people because they were cannibalizing people.

02:13:08.000 They were coming after people, and people were coming after them, and there's a war between us.

02:13:14.000 Angry hobbits.

02:13:14.000 Yeah, little hobbits that eat people.

02:13:17.000 I don't know if they know. 0.98

02:13:18.000 That might be all horseshit, though. 0.94

02:13:19.000 That might be just total speculation. 0.96

02:13:21.000 I mean, I would speculate, too.

02:13:22.000 Why not?

02:13:23.000 Exactly.

02:13:24.000 But I mean, exactly like what you're talking about with the giant kraken, the giant octopus.

02:13:29.000 Of course it would eat people.

02:13:30.000 Everything would eat people. 1.00

02:13:31.000 We have this weird idea because we live in cities and like, you know, we think of hippos as being something with a tutu on and a fucking bow in its hair. 0.98

02:13:39.000 Well, they don't want to eat us. 0.98

02:13:40.000 Well, of course they do.

02:13:42.000 They want to eat everything they can eat.

02:13:44.000 If they can eat you, they definitely want to eat you.

02:13:45.000 They don't not want to eat you because you have a beard and you have an icon.

02:13:49.000 Exactly.

02:13:49.000 You know?

02:13:49.000 The ones that could really inflict damage, though, for some reason, don't eat.

02:13:54.000 The one I'm most scared about.

02:13:56.000 Killer whales.

02:13:57.000 Yeah, they're cool.

02:13:58.000 They're so smart.

02:13:59.000 If they decided to just all of a sudden gang up on humans, we would be at such a loss.

02:14:04.000 We would never go in the ocean again. 1.00

02:14:05.000 Yeah, we'd be fucked. 0.99

02:14:06.000 As long as Netflix stays out of the ocean and they don't watch Blackfish, we're safe. 0.99

02:14:11.000 But as soon as they find out what happened at the end of that movie... 0.97

02:14:15.000 It's so fucking wrong. 0.90

02:14:17.000 We're done. 0.98

02:14:18.000 Well, it's so crazy that we still keep them in captivity because we've always kept them in captivity.

02:14:24.000 Because if we didn't ever have them captive, and we discovered them in the ocean, these super intelligent creatures, and we found out about their capabilities, we found out about their language, the fact they have dialects, the fact they live in these complex, ordered societies, they stay with the same pod for life,

02:14:42.000 they have family, like deep connections with these other orcas that they consider their family, and then we just steal them, steal them and stick them in a fish tank.

02:14:51.000 Communicate across the oceans through essentially whale internet.

02:14:54.000 Whoa! 0.98

02:14:54.000 Yeah, it's not crazy and then we're assholes we stick them in a tank and fat people eat cotton candy and stare at them you Make it jump higher. 0.98

02:15:04.000 This is a ripoff We're assholes we're fucking really shitty animals to do that to whales and to killer whales and It's really shitty. 1.00

02:15:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:15.000 Well there was a thing that I was listening to this TED talk where they were talking about sustainable organisms and that a lot of the logic that we apply to hunting and trapping some organisms thinking that we're gonna help the food chain out doesn't wind up helping and one of them was whales that the Japanese had made this idea they had this idea Well, 0.70

02:15:39.000 if we hunt a certain amount of whales, we'll have more fish and more krill, because the Japanese eat all these krill, or the whales, rather, eat all these krill, and if we hunt the whales, it'll help the krill and the fish population. 0.88

02:15:51.000 But apparently, that's not the case, because one of the reasons why there's so much krill is because of the whales, because the whales will let loose these enormous shits. 0.91

02:16:02.000 They come up and just shit these giant clouds of whale shit, and algae grows from that. 0.94

02:16:08.000 And then the krill are attracted to the algae, and the krill eat the algae, and that's what sustains them. 0.95

02:16:13.000 So when they started hunting the whales, it actually lowered the population of krill, and they had to put it all together.

02:16:21.000 That's a crazy cycle.

02:16:22.000 Yeah.

02:16:23.000 We never really know what we're messing with, I think.

02:16:28.000 We know so little.

02:16:29.000 And that's the thing.

02:16:30.000 One of the things people might say that aren't into hunting, well, let's just leave it the way it was.

02:16:37.000 Release all the wolves and then let nature take care of itself.

02:16:40.000 But that's...

02:16:41.000 It's an impossible thing because we've already affected the landscape so much that nothing, I mean especially with non-native species and invasive plants and habitat deforestation and so many other things that the thought of just letting nature Run itself isn't even an option now.

02:17:05.000 And then you even look at it even further and go, like, human hunters have been in the equation since all these animals have been here.

02:17:12.000 When has the elk existed when humans haven't hunted it?

02:17:16.000 I don't know an answer to that because there isn't one.

02:17:18.000 Well, no one knows the answer.

02:17:20.000 You'd have to go past 10,000 years.

02:17:22.000 You'd have to go past the Ice Age.

02:17:23.000 Right.

02:17:24.000 It's like, well, the wolves were not the only predators on North America since humans have been here.

02:17:30.000 No.

02:17:31.000 Well, there was lions.

02:17:32.000 Yeah.

02:17:33.000 All kinds of species.

02:17:34.000 Are we going to find that lion or find some DNA from it and bring it back from extinction?

02:17:41.000 We don't even know why those things went extinct.

02:17:43.000 Nobody bothered to write that down.

02:17:44.000 Yeah.

02:17:45.000 Oh, we did that.

02:17:47.000 Nobody knows.

02:17:48.000 There's still debate as to what happened to the woolly mammoth.

02:17:50.000 Some people still think that it was humans.

02:17:52.000 There was some paper that was recently published that was saying that there was evidence that they were coming into estrus younger and younger, and that this was because of hunting pressure.

02:18:03.000 They believe it was because of hunting pressure.

02:18:05.000 Could have been hunting from other predators as well.

02:18:08.000 Could be.

02:18:09.000 It was pure speculation, I mean, mixed with some evidence, but there's also some evidence that they died in a giant mass extinction that people like Randall Carlson have connected to an asteroidal impact.

02:18:22.000 And it was also roughly the same time period as the end of the Ice Age.

02:18:27.000 So they think that asteroidal impacts slammed into the Earth.

02:18:32.000 And not just even global warming, but just massive asteroidal impacts all over the planet.

02:18:38.000 That there was some sort of a mass extinction event worldwide that coincided with the end of the Ice Age and...

02:18:45.000 The different eras of construction methods for things like the Old Kingdom in Egypt, giant archaeological digs like Gobekli Tepe.

02:18:58.000 I'm having Randall Carlson and this guy Graham Hancock on.

02:19:03.000 They're going to be on November 19th.

02:19:06.000 And Graham Hancock just wrote a book about it called The Magicians of the Gods.

02:19:10.000 And he had an old one that was super popular.

02:19:13.000 It sold like millions and millions of copies called Fingerprints of the Gods.

02:19:16.000 And then it's all basically asserting.

02:19:19.000 Back then, he was trying to put the pieces together and saying there's evidence of lost civilization.

02:19:25.000 And the way he described it, he said, we are essentially a civilization with amnesia.

02:19:30.000 And that something happened somewhere along the line.

02:19:32.000 And there's all this evidence of these ancient structures that were made by advanced civilizations.

02:19:37.000 We really don't have any idea.

02:19:39.000 It just keeps going in circles.

02:19:40.000 Yeah.

02:19:40.000 And it makes sense that natural disasters did it.

02:19:44.000 Right.

02:19:45.000 And then, between the time of him publishing that book and Randall Carlson coming around, and Randall Carlson's been dedicating his whole life to...

02:19:55.000 Researching asteroid impacts and natural disasters that are caused by global collisions, you know, things coming from the sky and slamming into the earth.

02:20:04.000 But he's amassed a giant database of factual evidence that, you know, from other sources.

02:20:12.000 So it's not like him finding this stuff, but it's like they've discovered things like tritonite, which is, I think I'm saying it right, but it's a nuclear glass.

02:20:21.000 And all over Europe and Asia.

02:20:23.000 And when they do those core samples of the Earth, it cuts down around 12,000 years.

02:20:28.000 And that nuclear glass happens when they do nuclear tests, but it also happens when meteors impact the Earth. 0.85

02:20:35.000 So they found this shit all over the place at about 12,000 years. 0.97

02:20:39.000 Wow. 1.00

02:20:40.000 Which means there was just a fucking... 0.99

02:20:42.000 We were a shooting gallery 12,000 years ago. 0.98

02:20:45.000 It's crazy to think, like, we're so stable right now, and then one meteor...

02:20:50.000 Could ruin it, and then we need to get really good with those crossbows.

02:20:53.000 We've got to make our own bows.

02:20:55.000 Yeah.

02:20:55.000 We've got to make our own sticks.

02:20:57.000 And if you're living in a place like L.A., you're going to have to start fighting off people.

02:21:00.000 There's not going to be enough food.

02:21:02.000 No.

02:21:03.000 Well, there's enough people, I guess.

02:21:05.000 Yeah.

02:21:05.000 We're going to have to start eating them.

02:21:07.000 Eat the fat, slow ones.

02:21:08.000 I think I'll stay in the mountains for that one.

02:21:10.000 Yeah.

02:21:11.000 That's a good idea.

02:21:11.000 You'll be like, hey, want to come down and do a podcast during the apocalypse?

02:21:15.000 Can I do it from my phone?

02:21:17.000 Yeah.

02:21:17.000 Well, that's the other thing is that once the power goes out, we're not going to have any access to hard drives.

02:21:22.000 We're not going to have any access to phones.

02:21:24.000 We're not going to have any access to the grid.

02:21:26.000 And if the grid's out for more than a couple of years, it's going to stay out.

02:21:30.000 You don't know how to fix it.

02:21:31.000 I don't know how to fix it.

02:21:32.000 I have no clue how the things I use work.

02:21:35.000 If we killed off 70% of the population, we would be right back to the Stone Age.

02:21:39.000 Yeah.

02:21:40.000 Because the idea that those 30%, that we would be lucky enough to have people who are so innovative and so educated that they would be able to figure out how to restart civilization, no.

02:21:50.000 I'm still not sure that this phone isn't somewhat magic.

02:21:53.000 What?

02:21:54.000 Does anyone know how it works?

02:21:56.000 Well, it is magic, but so is that octopus, you know, and they're both made by nature.

02:22:01.000 I mean, the phone is natural. 0.90

02:22:03.000 It just doesn't seem natural because people made it, but people are natural, and people's curiosity is natural, and the phone is just as natural as a fucking beaver dam. 0.96

02:22:12.000 It really is.

02:22:14.000 It's just some weird thing that a natural creature has figured out how to do when given enough time and enough source material, enough Sharing information with these other weird monkeys and one monkey figures out a diode and the other monkey figures out how to make glass and this monkey figures out how to forge metal and this monkey figures out how to write code and they all get together and next thing you know you got an iPhone.

02:22:37.000 That's cool.

02:22:38.000 Or you got an octopus, you know?

02:22:40.000 Or you got an iPhone you can watch an octopus on.

02:22:43.000 Yeah, I mean, that's the other thing about the octopus is when all this shit has happened on Earth, as far as there was, I want to say where it I'm trying to remember when they've they've knocked it down to they believe that there was one point time There was only a few thousand human beings left on earth and it wasn't long ago It was like 70,000 years ago and they've coincided it with the Explosion of one of the world's great super volcanoes and

02:23:13.000 that it put the earth into nuclear winter for a long period of time. 0.79

02:23:16.000 Most of the plants died.

02:23:18.000 Most of the animals died.

02:23:18.000 A giant percentage of the population of human beings died.

02:23:21.000 And that's why there's so little biodiversity amongst human beings or genetic diversity amongst human beings.

02:23:28.000 I can't remember where the Indonesia, I want to say, I might be wrong, where the super volcano was that went off.

02:23:36.000 But see if you can find that.

02:23:39.000 Supervolcano 70,000 years ago killed off a giant percentage of the population.

02:23:42.000 So that's where all these preppers are ready for the Yellowstone supervolcano and it's going to be... 0.99

02:23:48.000 Well, those guys are idiots because they go on TV and everybody knows they're in Pasadena. 1.00

02:23:51.000 They're just going to fucking go right to that guy's house because he's got canned peaches and bullets. 1.00

02:23:55.000 Was it in Indonesia? 0.99

02:23:56.000 Yeah.

02:23:58.000 So that supervolcano that erupted 70,000 years ago basically almost killed us off.

02:24:04.000 We got down to a few thousand people.

02:24:06.000 And yeah, I mean, we've got real close a few times.

02:24:10.000 So 70,000 years ago, I mean, obviously people weren't that advanced, but whatever they did know, they got down to nothing.

02:24:18.000 You know, you get down to 2,000 people.

02:24:20.000 There's 2,000 of us.

02:24:21.000 Yeah, it's a giant episode of Naked and Afraid.

02:24:26.000 You're like, oh, remember back when I was your age, we actually had things.

02:24:31.000 Yeah. 0.90

02:24:31.000 I mean, all the shit that we have right now that we think of as cool, like televisions and all that. 0.90

02:24:37.000 I have the most retarded theory when it comes to all this stuff. 0.99

02:24:40.000 I think that what we're essentially doing is preparing to give birth to an artificial life. 0.90

02:24:45.000 That's what I think.

02:24:46.000 I think that we're essentially like a technological cocoon, and then we're going to become some sort of an electronic, artificially created butterfly.

02:24:54.000 That's what I think. 0.94

02:24:55.000 I think that's one of the reasons why we have these inclinations towards materialism, because materialism feeds this desire to constantly innovate and continue to come up with newer, better shit. 0.95

02:25:06.000 Like we were talking about with bows, like Cam Haynes' new bow. 0.97

02:25:09.000 He doesn't need a bow. 1.00

02:25:10.000 Killed two fucking grizzly bears. 1.00

02:25:12.000 His bow's perfect. 1.00

02:25:13.000 His bow's perfect, but Hoyt has to come up with a new bow every year.

02:25:17.000 So they will make a bow that's even better than that bow, and it'll come out next year or this year.

02:25:22.000 But this desire to constantly innovate and look for the biggest, bestest, newest, greatest, latest thing is what causes innovation.

02:25:32.000 And that innovation will ultimately lead to artificial life.

02:25:36.000 I just think it's inevitable.

02:25:37.000 I think if you extrapolate, look at where everything's going, there's no way around it.

02:25:41.000 And while that's going on, I'll still be in the mountains.

02:25:43.000 Yeah, you'll be out there with a bugle.

02:25:46.000 Oh, there's robots that do stuff?

02:25:49.000 Well, I'm still out here.

02:25:50.000 Meanwhile, what's more fun?

02:25:53.000 Is it more fun to play video games or elk hunting?

02:25:55.000 Well, I've done both, and I'll tell you right now, elk hunting is way cooler.

02:25:59.000 I think so.

02:25:59.000 And when it's over, first of all, it's way cooler than a video game, and it's real.

02:26:03.000 And when it's over, you get to eat.

02:26:05.000 Yeah.

02:26:06.000 It's a good deal.

02:26:07.000 Dude, when I shot that elk that's out there in the lobby, and it was walking up the hill, and I'm hiding behind a tree at full draw for like 30 seconds as it's walking up the hill, and I know that it's going to be within 20 yards of me.

02:26:21.000 It's close.

02:26:22.000 And it's going to be right there, and it's stomping, and it's 1,000 pounds, and it's screaming.

02:26:27.000 Yeah!

02:26:29.000 Like, there's nothing like that.

02:26:30.000 There's nothing like that.

02:26:31.000 It's exciting, especially that close.

02:26:34.000 It's like, you feel like they're just going to see, like they just look right through.

02:26:38.000 Yeah.

02:26:39.000 Oh, yeah.

02:26:39.000 Well, they're just so big.

02:26:41.000 Yeah.

02:26:41.000 They're so big.

02:26:43.000 Were you sitting on the ground?

02:26:44.000 We were standing.

02:26:45.000 I was standing.

02:26:46.000 I was right, we were, there's just two trees together.

02:26:50.000 And there was like a little gap between them where you could see the elk coming up the hill.

02:26:54.000 And we're like looking at them coming.

02:26:55.000 Yeah.

02:26:55.000 And he was coming in hot.

02:26:57.000 Coming in hot, pissing all over himself.

02:26:59.000 We got real lucky.

02:27:03.000 We went out.

02:27:04.000 We're at this place called Tohono Ranch.

02:27:06.000 And when we went out on this trail, we got to this place where these elk were fighting. 1.00

02:27:12.000 And a couple males had got together and they were like, fuck you, no fuck you, crash! 1.00

02:27:18.000 Which was like some Jurassic Park shit. 1.00

02:27:21.000 Because if... 0.97

02:27:22.000 Even if you have no desire to hunt, folks, I just encourage you, around September, find somewhere, whether it's Colorado or Utah or California, anywhere where there's elk are, and just have someone take you out near them and just listen.

02:27:37.000 That's crazy.

02:27:38.000 It's so cool.

02:27:38.000 They make the coolest sounds.

02:27:40.000 I mean, they're very vocal, very aggressive.

02:27:43.000 Yeah.

02:27:43.000 It's cool.

02:27:44.000 Well, the sounds that they make, if you've never heard them before...

02:27:48.000 Yeah.

02:27:51.000 Dude, that's pretty good.

02:27:52.000 I recorded them.

02:27:53.000 I got a...

02:27:54.000 Hold on a second.

02:27:54.000 Let me see if I can find it here.

02:27:56.000 I've got a video where I recorded it.

02:27:58.000 See if I can get some of them where you can hear it.

02:28:01.000 The cows are cool.

02:28:03.000 I mean, the cows even make a weird high-pitched...

02:28:05.000 Yeah.

02:28:05.000 Yeah, that's weird, too.

02:28:07.000 Like, they're communicating with each other.

02:28:09.000 It's a very strange animal, man.

02:28:12.000 Here, I gotta play this.

02:28:21.000 That's the call.

02:28:22.000 Yeah.

02:28:23.000 That's my friend Brian, who's making the noise.

02:28:25.000 And he's trying to pull them closer to us.

02:28:28.000 But you hear them off in the distance.

02:28:30.000 They start screaming.

02:28:31.000 That's it.

02:28:33.000 But that thing you hear in the background, that's elk screaming at each other.

02:28:37.000 Yeah, bugling.

02:28:44.000 Yeah.

02:28:46.000 Yeah.

02:28:52.000 The loud one's fake.

02:28:54.000 This one's real.

02:28:56.000 Eh.

02:28:57.000 I don't know where my best one is, but...

02:29:00.000 They make some weird...

02:29:01.000 Those red deer, which are fairly related to elk, very similar, but they roar instead of bugle.

02:29:07.000 Yeah, they sound like lions.

02:29:08.000 Yeah, they sound like lions.

02:29:09.000 Like...

02:29:14.000 They look like something out of Dr. Seuss, too.

02:29:16.000 Yeah.

02:29:17.000 They don't look...

02:29:17.000 Like, stags don't look real.

02:29:18.000 Nah, they don't.

02:29:19.000 Yeah, especially like...

02:29:20.000 Caribou don't look real either.

02:29:22.000 Yeah, their antlers are way too big for their head. 1.00

02:29:25.000 They look stupid. 1.00

02:29:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:29:26.000 I took my dad caribou hunting this year. 1.00

02:29:27.000 That was really fun.

02:29:29.000 But...

02:29:29.000 And he shot a big caribou.

02:29:31.000 And it's like...

02:29:31.000 The horn...

02:29:32.000 The antlers themselves...

02:29:34.000 That's the hardest part to carry out, because it's just cumbersome.

02:29:37.000 It's awkward.

02:29:38.000 Awesome trees growing out of an animal's head.

02:29:40.000 Well, between them and moose and elk, it's like, how did this happen? 0.99

02:29:46.000 Where they evolved uniformly to have these, like, super similar, bizarre, tree-like growth growing out of their head that they only use when they're fucking. 0.97

02:29:56.000 Yeah, and then they lose them. 0.99

02:29:57.000 And after they're done fucking, they lose them. 1.00

02:29:58.000 Just gone. 1.00

02:29:58.000 And then they grow them back. 1.00

02:30:00.000 Well, we found Brian, my friend from Tohono Ranch, found a dead elk that got stabbed by another elk.

02:30:07.000 They were duking it out, and one of them just ran the other one through with his antlers and killed him.

02:30:11.000 And he was a big elk, too, like a big 6x6.

02:30:13.000 Huge, 1,000-pound dead elk with holes in his body.

02:30:17.000 Yeah, that'll happen.

02:30:18.000 I've seen, well, at least red deer, but when they fight, and then the third one, when they get in a fight with three, and the one just kind of...

02:30:25.000 Side punches him while they're fighting.

02:30:27.000 Sucker punches him. 0.96

02:30:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:30:29.000 It's always that bitch. 1.00

02:30:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:30:30.000 He's not even involved in the fight. 1.00

02:30:32.000 No, he's not even...

02:30:33.000 He wasn't even in the running.

02:30:36.000 It's just so crazy that this has been going on like this for thousands of years.

02:30:39.000 That's how they do it.

02:30:40.000 They grow trees out of their head. 1.00

02:30:42.000 They smash into each other and the girl's like, alright, you can fuck me. 1.00

02:30:45.000 I like the way you tree fight. 1.00

02:30:46.000 But the elk are probably looking at us going like, look, dudes are into belly shirts now.

02:30:52.000 Like...

02:30:55.000 They're like, that's so weird. 1.00

02:30:56.000 Oh, he's got the best metal box that he drives around in and he gets to fuck. 1.00

02:31:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:31:02.000 Yeah.

02:31:02.000 It's all nature itself.

02:31:04.000 I mean, the octopus.

02:31:05.000 I mean, it's way weirder than anything you'll ever see in the world of the ground, you know, the land world.

02:31:12.000 That's more bizarre than anything I think I've ever seen in my life.

02:31:15.000 The ocean's really our largest wilderness.

02:31:17.000 I mean, it's...

02:31:17.000 It's huge.

02:31:18.000 I think there's a lot we don't know about it.

02:31:19.000 There's some crazy stuff.

02:31:21.000 I think most of the stuff you...

02:31:23.000 It wasn't...

02:31:23.000 That's the thing that I think about, like, the Kraken.

02:31:26.000 It's this legend, or Loch Ness Monster, or Bigfoot, or whatever.

02:31:29.000 And then once we identify it, oh, it's just an octopus.

02:31:33.000 You know what I mean?

02:31:33.000 If we didn't know octopus existed, and we're like, there's this animal in the ocean that shapeshifts and changes colors and inks and can look like other animals and is really smart...

02:31:43.000 And we give it some crazy name, you know, and then we find it and it's just normal.

02:31:49.000 Once we identify it and it's a real thing, it becomes boring.

02:31:52.000 It's just normal.

02:31:52.000 It's an octopus.

02:31:53.000 What is that?

02:31:54.000 What is that?

02:31:55.000 We have a weird desire to only chase the unknown.

02:31:58.000 I don't know.

02:31:59.000 That's a strange thing when it comes to nature.

02:32:01.000 The discovery of new species, it's a precedent above all, like they've found a new frog. 1.00

02:32:08.000 But at the end of the day, it's just a fucking frog. 0.99

02:32:10.000 It's just a frog. 0.99

02:32:10.000 And even if it does the most amazing thing, say the frog did the same thing the octopus does, changes its shape and color and everything. 0.99

02:32:17.000 After about a week, you're like...

02:32:19.000 Oh, it's a frog that changes color.

02:32:21.000 Cool.

02:32:21.000 What's next?

02:32:21.000 Oh, there's probably a monkey man out there.

02:32:24.000 Yeah, if we found Bigfoot, that's what it would be.

02:32:26.000 We actually found Bigfoot.

02:32:28.000 It would be pretty cool, but we would just open a Bigfoot world right next to SeaWorld, and that would be...

02:32:33.000 You'd be over it.

02:32:34.000 Yeah.

02:32:34.000 You'd be like, oh, well, it's just a hairy monkey.

02:32:37.000 And then we find out he's stupid. 1.00

02:32:38.000 He's not even as cool as orcas. 1.00

02:32:40.000 And he doesn't even like Jack Link's beef jerky.

02:32:44.000 Yeah, and he hates John Lithgow.

02:32:46.000 Yeah.

02:32:48.000 He sees John Lithgow, he starts screaming. 1.00

02:32:51.000 Harry and the Andersons is bullshit! 0.99

02:32:54.000 Yeah, that is the one disappointing thing about my friend Les Stroud, is that he's still looking for Bigfoot, doing that Survivorman Bigfoot show. 0.99

02:33:02.000 I don't know, man.

02:33:03.000 He believes in it, man. 1.00

02:33:04.000 I love that guy, but the guy he goes with, though, I think is a fucking total bullshit artist. 0.99

02:33:10.000 I got approached by a dude, and I was at some show somewhere, doing like a trade show type thing. 0.99

02:33:16.000 Guys like talking to me, like all serious about He had a business card too, which makes it real legit.

02:33:24.000 He's like, I'm a squash hunter and he's talking about the family groups and he knows their intricacies and he can show me and he wants me to come out there and film it for solo hunting. 0.99

02:33:35.000 He's trying to fuck you. 0.99

02:33:36.000 Yeah, I was like, dude. 1.00

02:33:39.000 One, who's crazier? 0.67

02:33:40.000 You? 1.00

02:33:41.000 You either believe this bullshit, or you're just a straight-up liar. 1.00

02:33:46.000 In which case, that would make me an idiot forever going out there. 1.00

02:33:50.000 There's a lot of crazy people out there for sure, but it's the romantic thing about Bigfoot. 0.99

02:33:55.000 It's so romantic to people.

02:33:57.000 I had this guy tell me that it was a government conspiracy to hide Bigfoot because of the logging industry.

02:34:04.000 He goes, think about it.

02:34:06.000 Think about it.

02:34:08.000 They shut down the logging industry for a spotted owl.

02:34:12.000 What do you think they would do if we found a giant monkey?

02:34:16.000 Think about it!

02:34:17.000 I just did.

02:34:18.000 It makes no sense.

02:34:21.000 Well, Brinello was talking about it on his podcast recently.

02:34:24.000 He's like, where's the scat? 1.00

02:34:25.000 Where's the shit? 1.00

02:34:26.000 Where's the droppings? 1.00

02:34:27.000 Bigfoot would drop giant logs.

02:34:29.000 You'd find it.

02:34:31.000 My thought is, I'm out in some wild places a lot.

02:34:34.000 If I ever saw a Bigfoot...

02:34:37.000 I don't even know if I would care that much to tell anyone.

02:34:39.000 I'd be like, oh, okay.

02:34:41.000 That was cool.

02:34:42.000 Come on, you would care. 0.98

02:34:43.000 No, because you'd just be the crazy guy. 0.93

02:34:45.000 Do you want to be that guy? 0.97

02:34:47.000 I don't.

02:34:48.000 I'm like, okay, well, it's there, whatever, I guess.

02:34:51.000 It's true.

02:34:51.000 Who cares?

02:34:52.000 Yeah, you might want to just keep it to yourself.

02:34:53.000 Yeah, whatever.

02:34:54.000 But even if you told your friends, like, Remy's losing it.

02:34:56.000 I think he fell on his head.

02:34:57.000 Yeah.

02:34:57.000 What we think is he probably, like, fell on his head while he was out.

02:35:00.000 Maybe a coconut.

02:35:02.000 Maybe he got jacked by a coconut while he was out elk hunting.

02:35:05.000 My favorite is the people.

02:35:06.000 They're just like walking.

02:35:08.000 I thought I saw something over there.

02:35:11.000 And then it wasn't there, so it was a Bigfoot.

02:35:13.000 That's my favorite.

02:35:14.000 I tell these people, I was alone once, and I thought I saw a wolf.

02:35:18.000 Oh, yeah.

02:35:18.000 For like two seconds.

02:35:19.000 It was a squirrel.

02:35:20.000 Yeah.

02:35:20.000 It was a squirrel!

02:35:21.000 I thought it was a wolf.

02:35:23.000 People driving down the roads, when you see a house cat in an open field, it looks like a Black Panther. 0.98

02:35:28.000 That happens all the time.

02:35:30.000 All the time.

02:35:30.000 Lack of perspective in the distance.

02:35:32.000 It looks huge.

02:35:33.000 I was talking to the guy when we did the bear episode.

02:35:36.000 The biologist was like, yeah, to be honest, we don't...

02:35:39.000 Most of my work is just people calling saying they see panthers and mountain lions that just turn out to be house cats.

02:35:44.000 He's like, that's the majority of my work.

02:35:45.000 That's crazy.

02:35:47.000 Well, they've done that in England, where they've spotted panthers in England, and they're trying to figure out what it is.

02:35:53.000 In the wars.

02:35:55.000 Most people think that it was actually just cats, house cats.

02:35:58.000 But, you know, you get a big, fat house cat, and it's dark out, and you're shitting your pants because you're alone.

02:36:03.000 Yeah.

02:36:03.000 Everything looks bigger.

02:36:05.000 Spooky. 0.99

02:36:05.000 Like, I really did think this fucking squirrel was a wolf for like a whole second or two. 0.99

02:36:11.000 It was eating out of your bird feeder? 0.99

02:36:13.000 No, we were in Alberta.

02:36:14.000 I gotta put this drink down.

02:36:16.000 I gotta stop it with the meth!

02:36:18.000 We were in Alberta, and we knew that there was wolves in the area.

02:36:23.000 There's a lot of wolves in the area.

02:36:25.000 In fact, they hunt them quite a bit up there now.

02:36:28.000 Because they're having a lot of problems with them because they can't figure out what the real numbers are.

02:36:33.000 Their grizzly problems are even bigger in Alberta because they don't have a season on grizzlies and grizzlies aren't scared of people at all because there's no season on them. 0.99

02:36:42.000 They just don't give a fuck. 0.72

02:36:43.000 They just come towards people and they believe it's gonna take a couple tragedies before they open up a season on them. 0.99

02:36:51.000 You've been to Alberta, I'm sure.

02:36:53.000 I actually haven't.

02:36:54.000 You haven't?

02:36:54.000 No, I want to.

02:36:55.000 Well, it's like any super dense wilderness where good luck trying to count what the fuck's in there. 0.99

02:37:01.000 Yeah, you have no clue. 0.99

02:37:01.000 How do you... 0.99

02:37:02.000 I don't even know how they do it.

02:37:03.000 They do hair traps.

02:37:05.000 Oh, okay.

02:37:05.000 They do DNA samples, but before that...

02:37:08.000 Yeah, it's weird.

02:37:09.000 Even if they do that, I mean, how can they have enough traps?

02:37:13.000 You're looking at...

02:37:14.000 I have some video of us driving to one of the locations we went to, and it's insane. 0.97

02:37:19.000 Like, we're coming over this crest, and everywhere to the left and everywhere to the right is just a dense forest with no fucking people anywhere there. 0.93

02:37:26.000 And a shitload of bears, and a shitload of moose, and a shitload of elk, and they just don't know. 0.98

02:37:32.000 They just don't know.

02:37:33.000 No clue.

02:37:34.000 The only way they know is by hunters with camera traps.

02:37:37.000 And the catch-22 is the hunters don't want to report the grizzlies.

02:37:41.000 Because if they report the grizzlies, then they shut down the black bear hunting.

02:37:45.000 Because right now, grizzlies are endangered.

02:37:48.000 Or I should say protected.

02:37:49.000 They're not endangered.

02:37:50.000 They see them every day.

02:37:52.000 They're literally shutting down.

02:37:55.000 A lot of people don't like the idea of baiting.

02:37:59.000 They don't like the idea of leaving out food.

02:38:02.000 Rinella explained his own distaste for it the last time he was here.

02:38:05.000 I totally get it.

02:38:06.000 But if you want to hunt bears in Alberta, you have two choices.

02:38:11.000 You either can't hunt them in the spring, because you'll never find them, or you hunt them in the fall when they're eating berries on hills.

02:38:18.000 You can find them there. 0.98

02:38:19.000 You can spot and stalk and shoot them there. 1.00

02:38:20.000 But if you want to shoot them, other than that, you have to bait. 0.57

02:38:24.000 And so they bait, and they set up these bait stations, and they get these bears accustomed to coming into these one areas to get food.

02:38:30.000 Well, they're shutting them down all the time, because grizzlies come in.

02:38:33.000 And my friend John Rivett, who's up there, says, dude, you don't even want to see them when they come in.

02:38:40.000 He goes, because you're looking at black bears, and black bears, you know, big ones like 500 pounds. 0.95

02:38:44.000 And then all of a sudden this fucking bus comes in through the woods, and they come in totally different. 0.99

02:38:49.000 They're not quiet. 0.99

02:38:50.000 They're not trying to sneak around.

02:38:52.000 Just own the place.

02:38:52.000 Own the place, snapping twigs and coming in like a school bus.

02:38:56.000 And he goes, and then when you see them, you're like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:39:00.000 They're just so big. 1.00

02:39:02.000 Just a big monster brown bear that just scares everything away.

02:39:06.000 And you've got to shut the bait down and get out of there.

02:39:09.000 So they shut the baits down, and then some of them, they'll take carcasses from the black bears. 0.68

02:39:15.000 You know, after they take the meat off of it, they take what's left, and they'll throw them in the areas where the grizzlies are.

02:39:21.000 Just to try to maintain them in that area.

02:39:23.000 Try to habituate them to that one area.

02:39:26.000 But even that, good luck.

02:39:28.000 He's like, there's a lot of them.

02:39:29.000 They really don't know.

02:39:30.000 They don't know how many.

02:39:31.000 So there was a study recently that came out that I tweeted that was showing how there's way more grizzlies up there than they thought ever.

02:39:39.000 Yeah, the grizzlies are one of those things where their overall range is diminished, but the places they are...

02:39:48.000 I would maybe not go as far as overpopulating, but they're getting there.

02:39:52.000 They're pretty brazen.

02:39:55.000 I know a lot of people that used to hunt certain areas and they say the grizzlies have gotten so bad that they just don't hunt them anymore.

02:40:01.000 And a lot of that I just take with a grain of salt because I think some people just get overly spooked about things like that.

02:40:08.000 But these are people that I trust and believe that they know what they're doing.

02:40:12.000 They aren't Well, there's also that weird thing that happens when grizzlies get used to being around people and when people are shooting elk or deer and they hear a gunshot and they think it's a dinner bell.

02:40:22.000 And they come running towards where the gunshot was because they know there's going to be a gut pile.

02:40:26.000 That gets spooky.

02:40:27.000 Because bears are really habitual.

02:40:29.000 That's why they have to capture them or kill them when they catch them eating people's garbage.

02:40:34.000 Because once they find garbage, that's their spot. 0.99

02:40:36.000 They're just going to keep coming back.

02:40:37.000 I was doing this film project thing in Alaska, and I tracked down this guy that killed a Kodiak bear with a knife.

02:40:48.000 Buck knife.

02:40:49.000 What?

02:40:50.000 Yeah.

02:40:50.000 It was a crazy story.

02:40:52.000 Older guy, too.

02:40:53.000 His name was Gene Moe.

02:40:54.000 There's been a ton of articles written about it in, like, Outdoor Life.

02:40:58.000 This was back...

02:40:59.000 It wasn't that long ago, but I can't remember exactly.

02:41:01.000 Did he put the knife in a musket and shoot it?

02:41:03.000 No.

02:41:04.000 I mean, you're like these bear stories, and I'm tracking down some of these bear stories.

02:41:09.000 And so he's on Kodiak Island.

02:41:11.000 Kodiak brown bears are the biggest bears in the world, but they don't...

02:41:15.000 There's not that many attacks, surprisingly, for the size of the bear and the many there are, but there's also not.

02:41:21.000 Kodiak Island isn't like Yellowstone Park.

02:41:24.000 I mean, you don't have that many people there, really.

02:41:27.000 So he's skinning out a deer, turns around, the bear is just on him.

02:41:45.000 Oh my god.

02:41:53.000 And then I guess he stabbed it enough times.

02:41:56.000 He kept like trying to feed it his arm while just like he said he was out of strength.

02:42:01.000 I think the bear went off started like laid down was bleeding out.

02:42:04.000 He might have crawled to his rifle at that point.

02:42:07.000 I think he I can't remember if the bear was dead or not but he shot it after the bear was just like laying there.

02:42:12.000 And then hikes, you know, three, four miles back to the beach.

02:42:16.000 And he was like, I can't remember how old he was.

02:42:18.000 He had over 60, something like that.

02:42:20.000 Yeah, I remember this story now.

02:42:22.000 Yeah, he was in his 60s.

02:42:23.000 Yeah, he was, and then he says, so then his son, they meet his son, they take him to this, there's one cabin there where there's year-round residents.

02:42:31.000 And it was actually on, I think, Raspberry Island there.

02:42:35.000 And they bring him into this cabin.

02:42:37.000 There's a German couple that lives there.

02:42:40.000 And like he said, they brought him in the cabin and for some reason, I cannot remember exactly why, but the dude that owned the cabin ended up taking a chainsaw and cutting out the wall so the rescuers could come in and get a stretcher and like stabilize him because he was just dying on the table.

02:42:54.000 And they take him to Kodiak Hospital to do all the surgeries, skin grafts, everything saved his life.

02:42:59.000 He ended up buying the bear back at an auction and they made like a rug thing.

02:43:06.000 They didn't give him the bear?

02:43:08.000 No, because, well, in Alaska, if you kill a bear without the proper tag, it's your responsibility to skin it out and bring it in.

02:43:16.000 So his son went back while he's in the hospital because you have to do it.

02:43:20.000 So his son went back, skinned the bear out, turned it over to the Alaska department.

02:43:25.000 And then they auction that stuff off or whatever.

02:43:28.000 That's rude.

02:43:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:43:30.000 That is fucking rude. 0.99

02:43:30.000 But he ended up with the bear. 0.99

02:43:32.000 And so it was kind of cool to see.

02:43:34.000 You saw the bear and then you saw the buck knife.

02:43:36.000 And there's still the bear's hair in the buck knife.

02:43:39.000 Oh, he didn't clean it.

02:43:39.000 No, he's got it right next to it on the wall.

02:43:42.000 It was a cool experience.

02:43:43.000 It was a cool experience hearing the story firsthand.

02:43:46.000 Wow.

02:43:47.000 It was a pretty intense story as he was telling it.

02:43:49.000 I can only imagine.

02:43:50.000 It was cool.

02:43:51.000 That's crazy.

02:43:52.000 It would have been cooler if he didn't shoot it. 0.91

02:43:54.000 He just buck-knifed it.

02:43:56.000 Yeah, that's what I think.

02:43:58.000 But I mean, he did fend it off with the knife.

02:44:00.000 Yeah, I guess.

02:44:02.000 Well, it's amazing that it didn't get his head.

02:44:03.000 Yeah.

02:44:05.000 He must have been really smart with his arms.

02:44:06.000 And his legs, too, kicking and pushing. 1.00

02:44:09.000 Oh, fucking Christ. 0.99

02:44:11.000 God, when you see the head, I've only seen a grizzly bear head a few times. 1.00

02:44:20.000 I've never seen one of them in the wild.

02:44:22.000 Except for when I was a kid once, I saw one in Yellowstone.

02:44:25.000 But they would come up to people's car doors back then.

02:44:29.000 People would feed them at Yellowstone from cars.

02:44:32.000 They used to like...

02:44:33.000 Remember that?

02:44:34.000 Yeah.

02:44:35.000 So here's a sandwich.

02:44:36.000 They would feed them.

02:44:37.000 They would allow that for some strange reason.

02:44:39.000 But I've seen skulls before.

02:44:41.000 And when you see a skull, and it's this wide, and you think about that, and it's the mass of the thing when you're...

02:44:50.000 Just a giant eating machine.

02:44:53.000 An enormous, crushing eating machine.

02:44:56.000 The thing that I always remember when I think about grizzly bears is there's this video of a bear chasing a moose and chases the moose down, tackles it, And just starts eating it.

02:45:10.000 Gut first.

02:45:11.000 And this moose is trying to get away and this grizzly is just eating its guts.

02:45:15.000 Just decides just to hold it down and start eating.

02:45:18.000 You know, they didn't even bother killing it.

02:45:20.000 It's like, I gotcha.

02:45:21.000 Yeah.

02:45:21.000 You're mine.

02:45:22.000 Well, the grizzly doesn't.

02:45:23.000 The grizzly is not sad for it.

02:45:25.000 He's like, he's stoked, you know.

02:45:27.000 He's pumped.

02:45:28.000 He is pumped, but it's just the brutality of what he's doing, you know, holding this thing down.

02:45:34.000 You've seen that video where the grizzly is killing a deer in this guy's yard, and the deer's screaming.

02:45:41.000 Can you play it?

02:45:42.000 Yeah.

02:45:43.000 Pull it up, Jamie.

02:45:46.000 Deer in backyard, and the brown bear's got him, and it's screaming, just... 0.96

02:45:54.000 This bear's on its back and just fucking mauling it in this guy's yard. 1.00

02:45:59.000 And the guy's looking out the back window like, oh, fuck. 1.00

02:46:02.000 The bear's thinking, why'd you put a yard here? 1.00

02:46:06.000 Exactly.

02:46:07.000 Don't matter me, dude.

02:46:08.000 This is it right here.

02:46:14.000 Wow, that's intense.

02:46:15.000 Yeah.

02:46:19.000 And the bear, for people that are just listening to this, the bear's on top of it, just jacking its back and its neck and it's screaming.

02:46:28.000 And the kids are standing right there.

02:46:30.000 Somebody's standing right there.

02:46:33.000 Oh my god.

02:46:37.000 A mule deer.

02:46:39.000 Yeah.

02:46:40.000 It's a pretty big deer, too.

02:46:41.000 Yeah.

02:46:42.000 And not a big bear.

02:46:43.000 No.

02:46:45.000 It might even be a color phase, right?

02:46:46.000 Yeah, it is.

02:46:47.000 It's a black bear then?

02:46:48.000 It's a black bear, yeah. 0.81

02:46:50.000 Not all black bears are black.

02:46:51.000 Yeah, color-faced black bear for people listening.

02:46:55.000 They can get, like, blonde even.

02:46:57.000 Blonde, red.

02:46:57.000 Oh my god, is that bear attacking that chick?

02:47:00.000 Oh, that's a dummy that was in the zoo.

02:47:03.000 That's a lady that climbed over the fence. 1.00

02:47:05.000 The polar bears are our friends!

02:47:07.000 Don't make me watch this.

02:47:09.000 Shut this off.

02:47:10.000 I can't.

02:47:10.000 I just can't.

02:47:11.000 I can't.

02:47:12.000 Have you ever been in a situation where you felt, like, vulnerable to animals?

02:47:17.000 No.

02:47:18.000 No, I haven't.

02:47:19.000 I mean...

02:47:21.000 I've seen animals be semi-aggressive, but no.

02:47:27.000 Nothing that's, uh...

02:47:29.000 Real serious.

02:47:30.000 Have you been in areas that have large wolf populations?

02:47:32.000 I have, yeah.

02:47:33.000 Like, reintroduced wolves?

02:47:35.000 Yeah, reintroduced wolves.

02:47:36.000 Have you noticed a difference between when they were before or how they are now?

02:47:40.000 Yeah, well, now things are changing because there's a season for them and everything.

02:47:43.000 Like, they're managed now.

02:47:45.000 In some places, right?

02:47:46.000 Yeah.

02:47:46.000 Not in Wyoming, right?

02:47:47.000 Wyoming still doesn't have a season, I believe.

02:47:49.000 Do they?

02:47:49.000 Maybe it's not anymore what they did for a while.

02:47:53.000 I don't know.

02:47:54.000 They keep changing it back and forth.

02:47:55.000 But...

02:47:57.000 Yeah, I mean, there's definitely, in one of the areas that I grew up hunting and guiding and all that stuff, yeah, the wolf population exploded in there, but also the elk population exploded after a fire because there's a huge dynamic between forest fires and...

02:48:14.000 Elk.

02:48:15.000 Because of this new growth?

02:48:17.000 Yeah, new growth.

02:48:17.000 They need that new growth.

02:48:18.000 So one of the things that really hinders, and that's the thing that comes back to humans regulating too much, is we do fire prevention and try to prevent forest fires when huge forest fires increase populations.

02:48:33.000 So there's a huge ebb and flow, and when we hinder that and try not to have fires, then animal populations decline, actually.

02:48:40.000 So that's a huge thing, too, but that's a whole other topic.

02:48:43.000 Well, it's the micromanaging of some incredibly complex systems that we don't totally understand, like forest fires or like predators.

02:48:53.000 We've tried to keep predators away from certain types of prey to allow these animals to survive.

02:49:00.000 The weird thing about it is when you really look at the overall population of animals on this planet, the animals that have ever existed, 90-something percent of everything that's ever existed is extinct.

02:49:12.000 Yeah.

02:49:12.000 And it probably will continue to be that way, I would imagine.

02:49:16.000 Unless we keep fucking with it. 0.99

02:49:18.000 There's some animals that will probably just go extinct. 0.99

02:49:21.000 And yeah, maybe humans had a huge part to do with it.

02:49:24.000 And maybe others, you know, I don't know if we did.

02:49:27.000 Maybe they would have gone extinct anyways. 0.67

02:49:29.000 I feel like the rhino's probably on the brink now.

02:49:32.000 It's pretty close.

02:49:33.000 Yeah, there's...

02:49:34.000 Yeah, it's sad.

02:49:35.000 It's too bad.

02:49:36.000 It's such a cool animal.

02:49:37.000 And they're so prehistoric.

02:49:39.000 Apparently they move incredibly fast.

02:49:41.000 Yeah.

02:49:42.000 Like, it's such a wild animal.

02:49:44.000 When you look at it, like, that might as well be a stegosaurus.

02:49:47.000 Like, what is the difference between that, you know, and a triceratops?

02:49:50.000 Not much.

02:49:51.000 Not much.

02:49:51.000 Warm blood.

02:49:52.000 Yeah.

02:49:53.000 I mean, some different variations in the horns.

02:49:56.000 Yeah, triceratops is a cold-blooded animal, right?

02:49:58.000 But were some of the dinosaurs, I want to say a few of them were warm-blooded, like some of the...

02:50:04.000 Beings, enormous creatures that lived during that time were warm-blooded.

02:50:08.000 I think that's a more recent debate.

02:50:11.000 Yeah, but on the wolves, yeah, they've definitely reintroduced areas affected populations.

02:50:18.000 And then...

02:50:20.000 The wolf populations then explode, like elk populations explode, wolf population explodes, elk population drops, wolf population remains large.

02:50:30.000 And you would almost think, well, over time, the wolves would...

02:50:36.000 Start to die off, but they can also just become more nomadic, kill off an area, and then just move on.

02:50:43.000 Yeah.

02:50:44.000 You know? 0.98

02:50:44.000 They're fucking smart, too. 0.98

02:50:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:50:46.000 They are. 0.99

02:50:46.000 When you did that wolf episode, that was really cool. 0.99

02:50:49.000 Because, you know, when you mimic the tactics that they use of chasing animals into, like, traps.

02:50:57.000 Yep.

02:50:58.000 They set traps for elk.

02:51:00.000 Yeah, they would...

02:51:01.000 Well, a wolf hunts animals by chasing.

02:51:04.000 So if an elk stands its ground, the wolves generally won't go in and kill it because they stand a risk of being injured.

02:51:14.000 So they incite it to run.

02:51:16.000 And as they get it on the run, then they can get it from the back end, slow it down, and kill it. 0.69

02:51:21.000 And that's how they hunt.

02:51:23.000 And yeah, so in that episode, me and my brother tried to do the same thing.

02:51:27.000 Run the elk.

02:51:29.000 Catch up and cut them off and hunt like the wolf.

02:51:33.000 I mean, they have a lot of... 0.96

02:51:35.000 Well, they've got a lot better stamina than us.

02:51:37.000 And they're just far superior at doing it.

02:51:41.000 But humans are pretty good...

02:51:43.000 At doing it as well, which is pretty impressive.

02:51:45.000 Well, that's a big thing in Africa, right?

02:51:47.000 Yeah, persistent hunting.

02:51:49.000 And the other thing about elk is how quick they can move up the side of a mountain.

02:51:52.000 Yeah, but they tire out fast.

02:51:54.000 Do they?

02:51:54.000 Yeah, if you chase it, you'll see their tongues are hanging out.

02:51:58.000 They're a big, large animal.

02:51:59.000 Like, even if you think of a horse, if you push a horse up a mountain, you can walk up a mountain faster than a horse over a long period of time.

02:52:06.000 Really?

02:52:07.000 Yeah, especially in the heat.

02:52:08.000 They just start to overheat.

02:52:09.000 Whereas we sweat and we carry water and they're just like...

02:52:13.000 I would have never imagined that because when I see people packing out with horses, I'm like, well, that's because the horses don't get tired.

02:52:19.000 No, they do get tired.

02:52:20.000 I mean, they sweat still.

02:52:22.000 They sweat.

02:52:23.000 But they...

02:52:25.000 Yeah, they...

02:52:28.000 Well, a horse can carry a lot more weight than us, and it's not on your back.

02:52:32.000 Like, the horse isn't complaining the next day.

02:52:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:52:35.000 He's like, yeah, this is fun.

02:52:36.000 I like this. 0.98

02:52:37.000 I'm fucking tired, man. 1.00

02:52:38.000 I just don't know how to say cut the shit. 1.00

02:52:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:52:41.000 He's like, he just tries, next time you go to round him up to pack, he's like, he's a little hard to get through the corral.

02:52:48.000 Oh, do they?

02:52:48.000 Do they get sore, too?

02:52:49.000 They must.

02:52:50.000 Oh, yeah, they get sore, and they sweat.

02:52:52.000 You just don't push them, either.

02:52:53.000 Right.

02:52:54.000 Like, you take it slow, and walk, and...

02:52:58.000 We're about out of time.

02:53:00.000 Is there anything else you want to add or let people know?

02:53:03.000 There's another way to get your show, right?

02:53:05.000 Yeah.

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02:53:10.000 Yeah, if you've got the Verizon Fios problem or you want maybe saw an episode, missed an episode, you want it, I know where you can get it.

02:53:17.000 You do?

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02:54:20.000 Very cool.

02:54:21.000 And Solo Hunter, you're on some of those episodes.

02:54:24.000 Tim Burnett is on the other ones, and that's on the Outdoor Channel as well.

02:54:30.000 And we've got those on VHX now, too.

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02:54:34.000 Okay.

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02:54:35.000 Yeah, there's no promo codes, but...

02:54:36.000 Okay.

02:54:37.000 And they're free on YouTube, so...

02:54:38.000 Yeah, and those are great, too.

02:54:40.000 All right, Remy Warren, thanks a lot.

02:54:41.000 Thank you very much.

02:54:41.000 A lot of fun, brother.

02:54:42.000 Yeah.

02:54:43.000 All right, folks, we'll be back tomorrow with Daniele Bolelli.

02:54:46.000 So we'll see you then.

02:54:47.000 Much love.

02:54:48.000 See ya.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 29, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #715 - Remi Warren

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