The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #734 - Brendan Schaub

00:00:00.000 Yeehaw! 0.92

00:00:00.000 And we're live. 0.92

00:00:02.000 Dum-dum-dum! 0.98

00:00:03.000 Brendan Chobb, I've got to talk to you about marijuana and exercise.

00:00:06.000 Oh, wow.

00:00:07.000 Together as a group.

00:00:08.000 Really?

00:00:08.000 I am a huge fan.

00:00:10.000 Today I did something I haven't done in a long time.

00:00:12.000 I haven't been getting high and working out. 0.97

00:00:14.000 I got high and did yoga a couple weeks ago, and I fucking loved it. 0.90

00:00:19.000 It was a 90-minute class, and I thought I was abducted by aliens, and I lost time. 0.99

00:00:24.000 Hot aliens?

00:00:25.000 Hot aliens in spandex?

00:00:27.000 The place I go to is not that...

00:00:28.000 Well, they're very nice people.

00:00:30.000 I'll just say that.

00:00:31.000 But when I was in the class, usually the class, like 90 minutes, it's rough.

00:00:36.000 Especially at those last 20. You gotta grind.

00:00:39.000 You gotta stay focused.

00:00:41.000 Mentally tough.

00:00:42.000 Mentally challenging. 1.00

00:00:43.000 It sounds like bullshit. 1.00

00:00:44.000 Like, you know, like, oh, come on, these housewives are tough? 1.00

00:00:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:47.000 I've been through some shit. 0.99

00:00:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:49.000 I've been through some shit with football and fighting in a 90-minute class. 0.99

00:00:54.000 What? 0.99

00:00:55.000 And I didn't know it was 90 minutes.

00:00:56.000 I thought it was 60. I was like, damn, I'm about to freak out. 0.98

00:00:59.000 I didn't have water. 0.99

00:00:59.000 You didn't have water? 0.99

00:01:00.000 I didn't have water.

00:01:01.000 Oh, no.

00:01:02.000 I'm super gangster.

00:01:03.000 I was like, yeah, 60 minutes.

00:01:04.000 I'm cool with water.

00:01:05.000 Then it gets to that hour mark, and I look over the girl next to her. 0.96

00:01:07.000 I'm like, damn, aren't we supposed to rap soon? 0.92

00:01:09.000 She goes, oh, no, honey. 0.98

00:01:11.000 It's 90 minutes.

00:01:13.000 You should have seen my face on camera.

00:01:15.000 I was like, God.

00:01:15.000 How did you do it with no water?

00:01:17.000 I'm about to break.

00:01:18.000 I'm about to break.

00:01:20.000 You need to try that Wim Hof method.

00:01:22.000 That dude, didn't he do like a marathon in the middle of the desert in Africa or something like that?

00:01:27.000 No water?

00:01:28.000 Yeah, he's an animal.

00:01:29.000 Me making it through yoga, no water, just the same as him.

00:01:32.000 I'm telling you, man.

00:01:33.000 I'm telling you, bro.

00:01:34.000 I was about to break. 0.99

00:01:35.000 I was like, damn, these house moms are about to break. 1.00

00:01:37.000 Look at this bitch. 1.00

00:01:38.000 There was something about doing it high where it was easier. 0.99

00:01:40.000 And I don't necessarily know if that's good.

00:01:42.000 See, I think that sometimes those mental struggles, that's good for the mind.

00:01:47.000 I agree.

00:01:47.000 It steals up the mind.

00:01:48.000 And the weed made it almost easy.

00:01:51.000 Easier.

00:01:51.000 Way easier.

00:01:52.000 To the point where I was like, that was an hour and a half?

00:01:54.000 I never do that when I'm sober.

00:01:56.000 Ever.

00:01:57.000 You're kind of freaking out towards the end? 0.99

00:01:59.000 You're not freaking out, but you're just like, damn. 0.99

00:02:01.000 Just grinding. 1.00

00:02:02.000 What I try to do towards the end of a yoga class, we sound like the biggest pussies that have ever walked the face of the earth. 1.00

00:02:09.000 You know when yoga gets hard? 0.99

00:02:10.000 Hey, whatever, bro. 1.00

00:02:11.000 I love that shit. 1.00

00:02:13.000 Fucking yoga gets hard, bro. 1.00

00:02:14.000 The fucking tough get going. 1.00

00:02:15.000 You keep going, bro. 1.00

00:02:16.000 I toughen up, bro.

00:02:17.000 I got mental toughness. 1.00

00:02:19.000 I'm doing chaturanga and shoot for real, so I don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:02:23.000 90-minute yoga will fuck you up. 1.00

00:02:25.000 It will fuck you up. 0.99

00:02:26.000 But what I do is I just try to concentrate on my breathing. 0.99

00:02:29.000 That's it.

00:02:30.000 Just concentrate on my breathing and I don't let anything in.

00:02:32.000 I don't let any complaints in.

00:02:34.000 I don't let any I'm tired in.

00:02:36.000 I just won't.

00:02:36.000 I know it's there, but I just bear down and really focus on breathing and bear down and focus on whatever I'm trying to do physically, whatever the posture is.

00:02:44.000 Dude, for me, it was...

00:02:47.000 I'm working so much and all I care about is work, and it's all I think about all the time, but when I go to yoga, it's so hard, it takes my mind off what's going on. 0.99

00:02:55.000 So it's like a reset button, but it is a motherfucker. 0.99

00:02:57.000 I feel the exact same way. 0.98

00:02:59.000 There's something about holding poses and the difficulty and the focus that it requires to do it right.

00:03:05.000 It sort of erases your mind.

00:03:06.000 It cleans your mind out.

00:03:07.000 It's almost like a car wash for your brain.

00:03:09.000 Yeah, it's almost like a little reset.

00:03:10.000 Then it helps later in the day.

00:03:12.000 Oh yeah, it helps you.

00:03:14.000 You're so much...

00:03:16.000 Less, I want to say reactive, but you're more relaxed when it comes to outcomes of things.

00:03:22.000 You're more relaxed when it comes to interactions with people.

00:03:25.000 I swear to God, I think it makes you a nicer person.

00:03:28.000 I agree.

00:03:28.000 It opens you up.

00:03:29.000 I'm more open-minded.

00:03:31.000 I think it...

00:03:32.000 You know, I've been going for about three weeks now in Santa Monica.

00:03:36.000 When I first got there, literally no one talked to me. 0.99

00:03:38.000 They're like, look at this fucking meathead in here. 0.99

00:03:41.000 No one talked to me. 1.00

00:03:42.000 I was in the back.

00:03:43.000 I'd come out, they'd have their little groups, and I'd just be on my own.

00:03:47.000 Prejudice.

00:03:48.000 I know, man.

00:03:49.000 Racism's real.

00:03:50.000 Prejudice.

00:03:51.000 Real.

00:03:51.000 It's not racism.

00:03:52.000 We're a race of men.

00:03:53.000 Race of men.

00:03:54.000 Race of real men. 0.74

00:03:55.000 That's what it is.

00:03:55.000 They're racist against real men.

00:03:57.000 They're my friends.

00:03:57.000 I want them over now, though.

00:04:00.000 They're cool.

00:04:00.000 You want them over now?

00:04:01.000 What's up, Tina? 1.00

00:04:02.000 You know, all that shit. 1.00

00:04:04.000 Eventually you're going to get tea together. 1.00

00:04:06.000 It's tough, man.

00:04:06.000 You never know.

00:04:09.000 There's a place that I passed by in Santa Monica that has some yoga class, but it's like a factory that produces hot chicks with towels under their arm. 1.00

00:04:18.000 You want to talk about mental toughness?

00:04:21.000 Try not popping a boner in my yoga class.

00:04:23.000 Straight up.

00:04:24.000 I get in there, I'm like, God. 0.99

00:04:26.000 Damn, the teacher goes, eyes forward, gaze forward, sir. 0.99

00:04:29.000 Oh my god, she tells you that? 1.00

00:04:31.000 Oh, to everyone.

00:04:32.000 Gaze forward. 1.00

00:04:33.000 Wow, they catch people staring at asses. 1.00

00:04:35.000 I'm sure. 1.00

00:04:36.000 I'm sure. 0.99

00:04:36.000 That's distracting as fuck. 0.99

00:04:38.000 Imagine if you're doing your pose and some dude is staring at your crack. 1.00

00:04:40.000 I bet.

00:04:41.000 That's annoying.

00:04:42.000 If I was a chick, I'd be pissed. 0.88

00:04:43.000 I get it, man.

00:04:44.000 It is dark in there, though.

00:04:45.000 Unless that's what I'm into.

00:04:46.000 Some girls are into that. 1.00

00:04:48.000 I agree.

00:04:48.000 They go and pretend they don't like it.

00:04:49.000 God, I hate it when people look at me.

00:04:51.000 You know what's weird? 0.99

00:04:52.000 God damn it. 1.00

00:04:53.000 How dare you? 1.00

00:04:54.000 I hate it. 1.00

00:04:55.000 Your ass cheeks are hanging out the back doing downward dog. 1.00

00:04:58.000 But some of the dudes in there, you know, God bless them, they're not in great shape, and they just say, fuck it. 1.00

00:05:04.000 They're in basically a Soonga, gut out, that's it. 1.00

00:05:07.000 Yeah.

00:05:08.000 Yeah, there's this guy that goes to my class, and I admire him. 0.99

00:05:11.000 He's this old, fat, white guy. 0.95

00:05:13.000 And he has, it looks like, probably never done a sport in his life. 0.98

00:05:17.000 He might not have even ever used the stairs.

00:05:19.000 He might have just used elevators his whole life.

00:05:21.000 I mean, he looks like he's never even thought about exercise.

00:05:25.000 Like, nobody informed him what it was.

00:05:26.000 He just got behind a desk and started eating.

00:05:28.000 Kind of awesome.

00:05:29.000 Then he hit, like, 60. And I don't know what motivated him.

00:05:34.000 I've never had a conversation with him, but this dude is in there...

00:05:37.000 Grinding.

00:05:38.000 Grinding.

00:05:38.000 Shirt off.

00:05:40.000 Bandana.

00:05:41.000 He wears a white bandana like the Karate Kid.

00:05:43.000 Yes! 0.99

00:05:44.000 Fucked up, gray, balding, you know, the whole deal. 1.00

00:05:48.000 It's like the hair is chaos and giant gut and gray hair all over his stomach and his tits. 1.00

00:05:54.000 His tits? 1.00

00:05:55.000 He's in there grinding. 1.00

00:05:56.000 That fucking guy's in there grinding, you know? 1.00

00:05:58.000 I appreciate the I'm way too vain to do any of that. 1.00

00:06:10.000 I hold the position like... 1.00

00:06:13.000 Like, if I fall, everyone's going to be like, look at this asshole. 1.00

00:06:16.000 I stick with it. 0.99

00:06:17.000 Well, there's levels, for sure, of commitment to a position, right?

00:06:21.000 For sure.

00:06:22.000 And that's the difference you see in people.

00:06:23.000 Like, there's this one girl in the class that I go to, she's Indian.

00:06:27.000 And I think she's Indian.

00:06:29.000 She looks like she's Indian.

00:06:30.000 Talking feather Indian? 0.92

00:06:31.000 Or dot Indian? 0.97

00:06:32.000 No, no.

00:06:32.000 I'm talking people from the country India, not Native Americans.

00:06:35.000 That'd be dot Indian. 1.00

00:06:36.000 Because I am politically correct.

00:06:37.000 Me too, man.

00:06:38.000 That's dot Indian. 1.00

00:06:41.000 I don't think they like to be defined that way.

00:06:43.000 I think they like Dollar Mende, Indian. 1.00

00:06:46.000 Okay.

00:06:46.000 You know who Dollar Mende is?

00:06:47.000 No.

00:06:48.000 No?

00:06:48.000 You don't?

00:06:48.000 Oh my god.

00:06:50.000 To pull up the song Tunic Tunic Tune, this guy, there's a dude named Dollar Mende, okay?

00:06:57.000 And he's like this Indian pop star guy.

00:07:01.000 And he's got at least one song.

00:07:03.000 I tried to listen to his other songs. 1.00

00:07:05.000 Dog shit. 1.00

00:07:05.000 I couldn't get into him. 1.00

00:07:06.000 I bet.

00:07:06.000 But he's got one song that is one of my all-time favorite songs.

00:07:09.000 What? 0.99

00:07:09.000 I don't know what the fuck he's singing. 0.99

00:07:10.000 Is it big over here? 0.99

00:07:11.000 You gotta pull up the video.

00:07:12.000 Pull up the video and show it to Brendan on this screen right here.

00:07:15.000 The one over here so we don't get kicked off of YouTube.

00:07:18.000 Oh, I hope he's awesome.

00:07:19.000 Oh my god, is he awesome?

00:07:20.000 Dude, you're not even gonna believe this is a real dude.

00:07:23.000 Really?

00:07:23.000 And you're gonna like this song.

00:07:24.000 I used to play this song when I worked at Fear Factor.

00:07:27.000 Hold it, start from the beginning.

00:07:30.000 Yes, no, the music.

00:07:32.000 Right there, and then give me some volume.

00:07:34.000 Here we go. 0.98

00:07:42.000 Look at the shitty graphics. 0.99

00:07:44.000 Terrible graphics. 0.99

00:07:45.000 Asteroids are coming in.

00:07:46.000 Look at this. 0.99

00:07:47.000 It's like fucking Atari. 1.00

00:07:51.000 Look at this dude. 0.99

00:07:53.000 You took the audio off?

00:07:57.000 Do you think they're real close for this?

00:07:59.000 Yeah.

00:08:00.000 You think?

00:08:01.000 Yeah.

00:08:02.000 Look at this guy. 1.00

00:08:04.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:08:06.000 Tell me. 1.00

00:08:08.000 There's two of him.

00:08:10.000 Him and him in the video.

00:08:13.000 He's like, you know what we need?

00:08:15.000 We need more of me.

00:08:16.000 I mean, he's dressed in traditional Indian, what looks like magician's garb. 1.00

00:08:23.000 Oh, this is full fucking Aladdin up in this bitch. 1.00

00:08:26.000 Come on, how awesome is this? 1.00

00:08:27.000 It's awesome.

00:08:30.000 You know what I like about it?

00:08:32.000 I have no idea what he's saying.

00:08:34.000 So it's like music that you make with your mouth. 1.00

00:08:38.000 Is his other song just dog shit? 1.00

00:08:41.000 I just couldn't get into them. 1.00

00:08:42.000 Maybe someone needs to turn me into the right one.

00:08:45.000 I'm sure he has some other hits.

00:08:47.000 It's like Gangnam Style.

00:08:48.000 You know who Gangnam Style is?

00:08:50.000 He came out with another one, though.

00:08:51.000 Is it a hit?

00:08:52.000 It's a pretty big hit.

00:08:53.000 Really?

00:08:54.000 What's it called?

00:08:54.000 My Daddy or something?

00:08:55.000 I got it from my daddy.

00:08:57.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:08:57.000 Well, people, all you fucking haters out there, One hit wonder my ass. 1.00

00:09:01.000 You know, Howard Stern was saying that once. 1.00

00:09:03.000 I was listening to him.

00:09:03.000 He was talking about that guy saying, what's he going to do now?

00:09:05.000 It's like, it's over for him.

00:09:07.000 I'm like, how?

00:09:07.000 Why would you hate on him?

00:09:08.000 Well, this is the other thing.

00:09:09.000 Like, maybe.

00:09:10.000 Maybe it's over.

00:09:11.000 But why?

00:09:12.000 If the guy can do it once, why can't? 0.98

00:09:14.000 Like, what is it that makes a fucking one hit wonder? 0.98

00:09:17.000 What is it? 0.99

00:09:18.000 Like, why does someone become a one hit wonder?

00:09:21.000 If you could put together like a banging song, like there's a series of one hit wonders, like if you go to websites, like the best ever one hit wonders.

00:09:29.000 But if you could put together like one of those unbelievable banging songs, why can't you put together another one?

00:09:35.000 Like I don't get it.

00:09:36.000 Do you think fame fucks them up?

00:09:37.000 Yeah!

00:09:38.000 Like the struggle.

00:09:39.000 Uh-huh.

00:09:39.000 Same with a lot of things.

00:09:41.000 Definitely.

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:42.000 But that's one ingredient in a giant poisonous stew.

00:09:46.000 A huge ingredient though.

00:09:47.000 Yeah.

00:09:47.000 It's a big one.

00:09:48.000 Huge one.

00:09:49.000 It's also who wrote that song, like what kind of collaboration, you know, did the person who write that song, did they write the rest of the songs?

00:09:57.000 True.

00:09:58.000 But a lot of times too, like when a band gets big and they have like maybe one hit or one album and then, you know, fame comes, the tour comes, they're busy, some guy feels like he needs more notoriety, drugs kick into play.

00:10:13.000 Drugs is a big one, man.

00:10:14.000 Drugs is a big one.

00:10:14.000 Yeah.

00:10:15.000 Especially the downers.

00:10:16.000 Heroin and stuff and booze.

00:10:18.000 Guys who just booze every night.

00:10:21.000 It just slowly pulls away.

00:10:23.000 It gets to a point where I think they're overwhelmed.

00:10:28.000 If you were a rock star and you're on stage and you're singing songs and there's 25,000 people out there and they're all screaming, it's probably overwhelming.

00:10:37.000 Could there be a better job though?

00:10:39.000 What?

00:10:41.000 It's tough.

00:10:41.000 You really don't have to train that much.

00:10:43.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:10:44.000 What?

00:10:46.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:10:47.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:10:48.000 You gotta practice, but we're talking about practice.

00:10:51.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:10:52.000 We're talking about practice.

00:10:53.000 They practice, man.

00:10:54.000 You ever go to band practice and watch those guys go over songs?

00:10:57.000 Sure haven't.

00:10:57.000 It's way harder than being a comedian.

00:11:00.000 No, I get that.

00:11:01.000 I'm compared to being an athlete.

00:11:03.000 Like, look at... 0.99

00:11:05.000 If Jay-Z wanted to have tits down to his ankles and eat hamburgers all day, he could do it and still make great music. 0.99

00:11:11.000 Like, the discipline's different. 0.99

00:11:12.000 Maybe, but you can't... 1.00

00:11:13.000 Here's the thing about being a fat fuck. 1.00

00:11:15.000 You can get famous being a fat fuck, and people will love you as a fat fuck, like Biggie, but you can't start out like Snoop Dogg and then look like Biggie. 1.00

00:11:24.000 And then blow up. 1.00

00:11:24.000 You can't do that. 1.00

00:11:25.000 Then you're a loser. 1.00

00:11:27.000 Okay. 1.00

00:11:28.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:11:29.000 I see what you're saying.

00:11:29.000 Like, we can't have evidence that you used to be healthy and then you're unhealthy.

00:11:33.000 We can't celebrate that.

00:11:35.000 That's what it is.

00:11:37.000 There's rules.

00:11:37.000 There's rules of perception.

00:11:39.000 You know, the guy who doesn't give a fuck has never given a fuck. 1.00

00:11:41.000 That's why he's always been fat. 1.00

00:11:43.000 Biggie's always been fat.

00:11:44.000 You see him when he was 17 when he's rapping on the corner? 0.72

00:11:46.000 Yeah, he's thick. 0.99

00:11:46.000 He's fat. 0.99

00:11:47.000 Yeah, he's a thick kid. 0.97

00:11:48.000 Yeah, he's never watched what he ate.

00:11:49.000 Not a day, not a moment in his life.

00:11:51.000 True.

00:11:51.000 So that's his thing.

00:11:52.000 Probably shouldn't eat that.

00:11:53.000 That's his thing.

00:11:53.000 Yeah, that's him.

00:11:55.000 That's him.

00:11:55.000 But if you look like Tupac, all six-packed out, and then you became like Biggie, nah.

00:12:01.000 But what other job, and I think this is why I'm obsessed with musicians, it's something I don't understand.

00:12:08.000 It's the unknown to me, right?

00:12:10.000 Like any athletic endeavor, whatever, I get it.

00:12:12.000 Hard work, talent.

00:12:13.000 But musicians, to me, it's so in this kind of outer space world because I've never been musically gifted ever.

00:12:20.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:12:20.000 I don't get any of it.

00:12:21.000 So when I watch them, what other job can you, like you see like Amy Winehouse, and these are terrible examples, but Kurt Cobain just fucked up getting on stage and just kill it. 0.98

00:12:31.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.80

00:12:32.000 Well, they've been doing it so long, though, it's like a part of their memory, you know?

00:12:36.000 They just know how to do it.

00:12:38.000 They just know how to do those songs, and they get in there, and they get in the groove, and the music hits them, and they just go with it.

00:12:43.000 And I think that Harrowall.

00:12:46.000 Harrowall.

00:12:46.000 I think that Harrowall.

00:12:47.000 I think that stuff...

00:12:49.000 It has some magical properties when it comes to music.

00:12:51.000 I don't recommend doing it, and I don't think that's the only way to make great music.

00:12:55.000 I think there's probably some safer alternatives that also get you to a great place.

00:13:00.000 But there's so many people that did heroin that made insane music.

00:13:04.000 A ton, man.

00:13:05.000 So many.

00:13:06.000 A ton.

00:13:06.000 So many.

00:13:07.000 And what Amy Winehouse, apparently it was booze was the one that killed her. 1.00

00:13:10.000 Booze was big.

00:13:11.000 Did you see her documentary, Amy?

00:13:12.000 No.

00:13:13.000 I heard it's awesome.

00:13:14.000 Did you see it? 1.00

00:13:14.000 That shit is amazing. 1.00

00:13:15.000 I heard it's awesome. 1.00

00:13:16.000 Amazing.

00:13:16.000 It's a real bummer, man.

00:13:18.000 Super bummer.

00:13:18.000 Because she finally kind of gets sober.

00:13:20.000 I mean, this isn't a fucking spoiler alert. 0.99

00:13:23.000 Everyone knows she's dead. 0.97

00:13:24.000 But she finally gets sober, and she's kind of doing the right things.

00:13:29.000 And then her manager and dad were like, yo, you need to go back on tour.

00:13:32.000 And she's like, I'm telling you, this is a bad idea, man.

00:13:34.000 Because when I'm on tour is when I want to use.

00:13:36.000 Because I hate being away.

00:13:37.000 They put her on tour, and that's what did it.

00:13:38.000 So, did they say she needed to go on tour because she needed money?

00:13:41.000 Is that what it was?

00:13:42.000 No, she just had prior commitments.

00:13:44.000 They're like, you owe it to them. 0.98

00:13:45.000 And that's when she goes on, I think it's Germany, where she's just so fucked up, falls off stage, and she, like, forgets the words, and they start booing her. 0.99

00:13:51.000 You know, self-sabotage. 0.99

00:13:52.000 Yeah, it was horrible, man.

00:13:53.000 It's so tough to watch.

00:13:55.000 Well, you know, it's interesting.

00:13:56.000 We had Stevo on the podcast, and Stevo went through a pretty lengthy detoxification sort of thing.

00:14:03.000 You know, he got sober, and then he went through this, like, lengthy rehab.

00:14:08.000 And like at a live-in place and you know, he went into great detail about it and about How long it took him till he was like legitimately sober like confident had a good foundation He was like legitimately sober and now he tours and does all these kinds of things which is crazy still does that sober Yeah,

00:14:26.000 like to inflict that pain when he's dead sober now to me is crazy.

00:14:29.000 He's out of his mind.

00:14:30.000 He's definitely out of his mind But when he's doing all this, he's confident that he's not going to start using again.

00:14:37.000 I think when you're someone like Amy and you're just clear of it, and then the pressure of doing those performances...

00:14:43.000 It's the temptation, right?

00:14:44.000 You just can't be around it.

00:14:47.000 Steve-O doesn't even drink, right?

00:14:49.000 He won't do anything.

00:14:49.000 I don't think he does anything.

00:14:50.000 He does nothing.

00:14:51.000 Nothing.

00:14:51.000 I think that's how it has to be.

00:14:53.000 For him, I think everybody's got their own thing.

00:14:55.000 I know dudes who have had problems with booze.

00:14:59.000 And then they quit the booze, and then they'll start smoking weed one day.

00:15:03.000 And then they're like, oh, I can handle this.

00:15:04.000 Like, I have friends like that.

00:15:05.000 And I know, like, Anthony Bourdain has famously had a problem with heroin.

00:15:10.000 But he drinks.

00:15:11.000 He drinks, loves weed.

00:15:13.000 And he's fine.

00:15:14.000 He's...

00:15:14.000 Fine.

00:15:15.000 He's not even remotely an alcoholic.

00:15:17.000 He doesn't drink when he's at home.

00:15:18.000 Like, you could say he enjoys alcohol.

00:15:21.000 He's an alcohol enthusiast.

00:15:23.000 Big difference, though.

00:15:24.000 Yeah, he doesn't have a physical addiction.

00:15:27.000 Yeah, big difference.

00:15:28.000 Yeah, he talks about how when he's home, he doesn't drink.

00:15:30.000 He just doesn't drink.

00:15:31.000 You know, and he doesn't need it.

00:15:32.000 That's crazy discipline.

00:15:33.000 I don't think it's discipline.

00:15:35.000 Really?

00:15:35.000 I think there's a—well, I think it most certainly is discipline, that he chooses not to, but it's also an ethic, but it's also I think we're talking about like a physical need, like a physical addiction, and he doesn't have that.

00:15:47.000 Some people do, though.

00:15:48.000 Some people do. 0.99

00:15:49.000 They get a little bit of alcohol in them, and then they're fucked, and they can't stop. 0.97

00:15:54.000 I've met them. 0.99

00:15:54.000 I know it's true. 0.99

00:15:55.000 I've met people like that, rather.

00:15:58.000 I know it's true.

00:15:59.000 I know they do it.

00:15:59.000 I've seen it.

00:16:00.000 Do you have an addictive personality?

00:16:01.000 Not with booze.

00:16:02.000 No.

00:16:03.000 No, not at all with booze.

00:16:04.000 What about marijuana?

00:16:05.000 No.

00:16:06.000 Neither one.

00:16:06.000 You could stop right now.

00:16:08.000 I enjoy them.

00:16:09.000 I enjoy them.

00:16:10.000 Big difference, though.

00:16:10.000 But if I go on vacation, I don't take weed with me.

00:16:13.000 If I go away, I'm with my family most of the time. 0.98

00:16:15.000 I don't take shit with me. 0.99

00:16:16.000 Sometimes I'll take a breath strip for the flight. 0.99

00:16:20.000 Or if I get a crazy idea and I have to write something down and everybody's asleep, I'll pop a breath strip in.

00:16:25.000 Go on a journey.

00:16:26.000 Go on a little journey.

00:16:27.000 Get creative, man.

00:16:29.000 Would you say you're addicted to work?

00:16:30.000 No, there's different kind of addictions.

00:16:32.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:16:32.000 No, definitely not.

00:16:34.000 Really?

00:16:34.000 No, I enjoy it.

00:16:35.000 I feel like you're the harsh working guy I know.

00:16:36.000 But I enjoy it.

00:16:37.000 I get that.

00:16:38.000 But it's not addictive.

00:16:39.000 Like, I could quit.

00:16:40.000 I could quit all of it except comedy, I think.

00:16:43.000 I mean, I could do that, too.

00:16:44.000 I could quit that, but that would bum me out.

00:16:45.000 Comedy's the most fun.

00:16:47.000 But everything else...

00:16:49.000 Even the most fun aspects of it, I could walk away from.

00:16:52.000 Like, what's the most fun aspect about the UFC? It's actually watching the fights.

00:16:56.000 100%.

00:16:57.000 It's not working.

00:16:58.000 Yeah.

00:16:58.000 That's not the most fun aspect of it.

00:17:00.000 It's being literally the best seat in the house, watching the best fighters in the world.

00:17:03.000 That is the best part of it.

00:17:05.000 But the talking part actually makes it less enjoyable.

00:17:08.000 The working part makes the fights less enjoyable.

00:17:11.000 I bet, man.

00:17:12.000 Like, I enjoy the fights more when we're doing these fight companions than any other time.

00:17:16.000 Me too.

00:17:17.000 We're all hanging.

00:17:18.000 And we're broadcasting too.

00:17:20.000 There's like this extra element because it's going out there too and we know people are laughing with us.

00:17:24.000 For sure, man.

00:17:25.000 Yeah.

00:17:25.000 But whenever I go to the fights when I'm physically there, I don't have as good of a time.

00:17:30.000 I think for me, because I've been in there, I get these nerves and this stress.

00:17:35.000 And so for me, I don't enjoy it.

00:17:37.000 So like this weekend, I can't tell you how many times when I was at Fox, I would see you at the fights.

00:17:41.000 I'm like, I won't be there, man.

00:17:43.000 I'd rather stay here and watch it.

00:17:45.000 Well, there's another thing about watching at home.

00:17:48.000 You get the perfect angles.

00:17:49.000 You're seeing it from inside the cage.

00:17:52.000 Whereas, from outside the cage, you're looking through the fence.

00:17:55.000 You don't consider that until you go there.

00:17:57.000 And you go, oh, you gotta look through the fence to see the fights.

00:17:59.000 I've seen some of the greatest fights of all time up close, but through a fence.

00:18:05.000 Whereas a lot of people that are watching it at home, there's a thing you have to do when you're looking through a fence.

00:18:11.000 You're not focusing on the thing that's closest to you.

00:18:13.000 You're focusing on the thing that's past you.

00:18:15.000 So you always have this peripheral distraction.

00:18:18.000 That fence is always going to be there.

00:18:19.000 Well, being cage-side isn't the best seat.

00:18:22.000 It's the most expensive seat in the house.

00:18:24.000 But really, you almost want to be in that first middle tier, so you have this view, so you're over the cage.

00:18:30.000 Does that make sense?

00:18:31.000 Yes, 100%.

00:18:31.000 And that's especially for boxing.

00:18:33.000 100%.

00:18:34.000 For boxing.

00:18:35.000 Boxing has a way better viewing position than the UFC. Because the rings are low, and you can see every punch that lands to the face, like, super clear.

00:18:45.000 There's never an obstruction.

00:18:47.000 Whereas, like, even me being right there at the desk, if someone's behind a post, like, you'll see me sometimes.

00:18:54.000 I have to get on top of the table. 0.89

00:18:56.000 I get up on the table and I'm like looking here to make sure like if I need to know if a camera's not showing me where a hand position is if someone's going for a guillotine I don't know if they have their hands clashed or something I have to physically get up and move sometimes and I'm fucking right there you know when you're at home there's you you're you're watching that shit clean and sometimes I feel like when you're at home you're getting those best angles it makes the fight even if it was a phenomenal fight that much more epic because you're seeing You know what I'm saying? 0.50

00:19:24.000 Like when you're a person, it's kind of hard to kind of break down what you've actually seen. 0.96

00:19:29.000 When you see it clear on camera and they're doing the replays, you're like, holy shit. 0.98

00:19:33.000 And you hear it better. 0.99

00:19:34.000 You hear it better.

00:19:35.000 100%.

00:19:35.000 Because you've got a microphone inside the cage, so you hear those, whack!

00:19:39.000 You know, like we'll play some shots sometimes, like we're going to play this back so you can hear it.

00:19:43.000 So you get to hear like a knee slamming into someone's ribs or something like that, whack!

00:19:48.000 Like Kyle Noak, I think we did that in his knockout in Australia, that front kick to the body.

00:19:53.000 He shot this perfect front kick to the body and the dude just went...

00:19:57.000 Peter Sabato, he made this...

00:19:59.000 You can hear it.

00:20:01.000 Nothing he can do.

00:20:02.000 But you hear the slap of the ball of his foot just slamming into that dude's body.

00:20:08.000 It was like a perfect front kick.

00:20:09.000 Kyle Noak looks great.

00:20:11.000 That's the thing, a lot of those shots...

00:20:15.000 Especially heavyweights.

00:20:18.000 You're not going to hear them that good inside the actual arena itself.

00:20:21.000 There's so much crowd noise.

00:20:23.000 Unless you're right there, it's hard to hear.

00:20:26.000 Even when you're on the first tier, it's hard to hear the impact with everybody yelling and all that screaming.

00:20:31.000 I don't know when I'll go to another live event.

00:20:33.000 For me, it's too stressful.

00:20:34.000 Even football games are tough for me to go to.

00:20:35.000 The UFC, it's just so intense.

00:20:38.000 For me, it gives me these nerves being right back there.

00:20:40.000 I hate staying in hotels because of The stress of Fight Week.

00:20:45.000 Wow.

00:20:45.000 I hate it.

00:20:46.000 Ask Callen.

00:20:47.000 When Callen and I go on the road, I always look for an Airbnb house because I hate hotels.

00:20:51.000 Wow.

00:20:52.000 Because I get super stressed.

00:20:53.000 I get anxiety.

00:20:54.000 Isn't that rough?

00:20:55.000 Oh, you want to go on vacation with me?

00:20:57.000 No.

00:20:58.000 Wow.

00:20:58.000 You really don't.

00:20:59.000 I know.

00:20:59.000 It's an issue.

00:21:00.000 That's funny.

00:21:01.000 I know, man.

00:21:01.000 That's a weird issue.

00:21:02.000 Yeah, it is.

00:21:05.000 The thing about being there live, though, is the energy in the room that you get where it feels like history.

00:21:12.000 There's been some fights where I was at where I was taking it on and I'm like, wow.

00:21:17.000 I just went into some history.

00:21:19.000 When Weidman knocked out Anderson, I remember when Anderson went down and Weidman was just playing basketball with his head.

00:21:25.000 Ba-boom, ba-boom, ba-boom.

00:21:26.000 And it was sinking in. 0.99

00:21:28.000 Oh my god, Anderson is fucking out cold. 0.99

00:21:30.000 This is real. 0.99

00:21:31.000 It didn't seem real.

00:21:33.000 You know how when something that's truly spectacular like that happens, it almost doesn't seem real as it's going on.

00:21:39.000 Looks like a video game.

00:21:40.000 Yeah.

00:21:40.000 Well, especially because Anderson had beaten everybody for so long.

00:21:43.000 We had got it in our head that Anderson wins.

00:21:46.000 Anderson beats everybody.

00:21:47.000 Anderson beats Stefan Bonner.

00:21:48.000 It looked like he was going to lose to Chael Sonnen.

00:21:50.000 Throws up that triangle and catches him.

00:21:51.000 Anderson beats this guy.

00:21:52.000 Anderson knocks out Vitor with a front kick.

00:21:54.000 And then you see...

00:21:56.000 That Chris Weidman left hook just crank, just crank on his chin.

00:22:02.000 And then you see Anderson's eyes roll back, and you're like, your brain is trying to process it.

00:22:07.000 Like, am I seeing this?

00:22:08.000 Is this real?

00:22:10.000 And then he's down, and I'm like, ah! 0.99

00:22:12.000 And then I remember whatever fucking noises I make, like, oh! 0.99

00:22:14.000 Oh! 0.99

00:22:15.000 And then Weidman's on top of him, boom, boom, boom, boom!

00:22:19.000 And they stop the fight, and I go, oh my god! 0.60

00:22:22.000 Crazy.

00:22:22.000 You just realize.

00:22:23.000 Did I just see this?

00:22:25.000 I think there's no other live sporting event better than a good, solid UFC fight.

00:22:31.000 There's no better live event.

00:22:33.000 Like this weekend, UFC 194, obviously it's sold out, but that will be the best live event to go to.

00:22:40.000 Yeah, there's nothing live.

00:22:41.000 Now, on the other end of that, if it's a sleeper, if it's a rough night, It is the worst event to go to.

00:22:50.000 It gets boring.

00:22:51.000 It's a long night, it gets really boring.

00:22:55.000 It can get boring.

00:22:56.000 Yes.

00:22:56.000 I mean, it's like anything, but it's tough, man.

00:22:59.000 You know what I think is a tough thing when they have fights in high altitude?

00:23:03.000 You know, like, unless you got all Colorado guys and Albuquerque guys and they're fighting in Denver. 1.00

00:23:08.000 Like, shit, man. 1.00

00:23:09.000 Who the fuck thought to put Mark Hunt and Ben Rothwell in Denver? 1.00

00:23:12.000 Who's like, you know what, sign him up for Denver. 0.99

00:23:14.000 And then how about this?

00:23:15.000 Then they go put Mark Hunt with Fabrizio in Mexico City, which is 2,000 feet above Denver.

00:23:20.000 Oh, and you give him like a six-day notice and he's 200 pounds.

00:23:23.000 And he almost won.

00:23:24.000 Talk about that.

00:23:25.000 Well, warrior.

00:23:26.000 Yeah, came out in the first round, almost won.

00:23:28.000 You know, and then comes out in the Stipe Miocic fight out of shape.

00:23:32.000 You know?

00:23:33.000 Gets beaten down in that fight.

00:23:34.000 And then they're great.

00:23:35.000 Oh, my God.

00:23:36.000 In great shape.

00:23:37.000 Phenomenal shape.

00:23:38.000 He didn't even have to cut any weight at all to make 265. Well, I saw they just announced Verdum, Kane, February 8th or 6th.

00:23:45.000 Yeah, that's the Super Bowl weekend.

00:23:47.000 That's when Jamie does all his gambling.

00:23:49.000 Look at him.

00:23:49.000 I hear that, Doug.

00:23:50.000 Smiling.

00:23:50.000 Look at him.

00:23:51.000 Football gambling.

00:23:52.000 Look at him.

00:23:52.000 He gets crazy.

00:23:53.000 He gets Scrooge McDuck in his brain.

00:23:55.000 Ha, ha, [...

00:23:57.000 But did they announce where that fight's at?

00:23:59.000 Is it Vegas?

00:23:59.000 It's a Vegas fight for sure.

00:24:01.000 I couldn't imagine it being anywhere else.

00:24:02.000 A fight like that, that's a big fight.

00:24:04.000 There's going to be a lot of betting.

00:24:06.000 Unless it's in Brazil.

00:24:08.000 Don't honeydick Kane and make him go to Brazil. 1.00

00:24:11.000 Let's keep him in Vegas, man.

00:24:13.000 Listen, man.

00:24:14.000 Kane is one of my favorite all-time fighters.

00:24:17.000 However, he's not the champ anymore.

00:24:19.000 The champ is Fabricio Verdum. 0.97

00:24:21.000 And if Fabricio Verdum wants a fight in Brazil, what if he's only going to have one fucking title fight ever? 0.97

00:24:26.000 Who knows? 0.99

00:24:27.000 Hey, homeboy, it doesn't work like the asshole he home out is to being champ. 1.00

00:24:31.000 They said, hey, real quick, Holly, just a reminder, you ain't shit. 1.00

00:24:34.000 You're going to fight when Ronda's ready. 0.98

00:24:36.000 So we're going to do it in July.

00:24:38.000 How rude.

00:24:39.000 Tell me about it.

00:24:40.000 I didn't make this decision. 0.99

00:24:41.000 I'm just saying, the champ really, a lot of times, unless your name's Conor McGregor or Ronda Rousey, you don't have shit to say. 0.96

00:24:47.000 Well, it is such a different scenario than it is in boxing. 0.96

00:24:51.000 But in boxing, there are some parallels.

00:24:53.000 Like you saw Tyson Fury beat Vladimir Klitschko.

00:24:55.000 Did you see that?

00:24:58.000 Bizarre fight. 0.99

00:24:59.000 He beat the shit out of him. 0.93

00:25:00.000 But Vladimir Klitschko forgot how to box. 0.96

00:25:02.000 I think age caught up with him.

00:25:04.000 You think that's what it is? 1.00

00:25:05.000 Just overnight, he looked like pure shit. 1.00

00:25:06.000 And Tyson's tough to fight, man. 1.00

00:25:08.000 Yeah, he's tough.

00:25:09.000 He's undefeated.

00:25:10.000 But he's undefeated.

00:25:11.000 He's taller than Klitschko.

00:25:13.000 He's very awkward.

00:25:14.000 He didn't really respect him.

00:25:16.000 He's playing these games.

00:25:17.000 I don't know.

00:25:18.000 It looked like something was wrong with Klitschko's right hand.

00:25:20.000 Did it?

00:25:20.000 He didn't throw anything.

00:25:21.000 He threw nothing.

00:25:22.000 I think he was worried.

00:25:23.000 I agree.

00:25:24.000 He couldn't get the timing done. 1.00

00:25:25.000 Shit-talking. 1.00

00:25:26.000 I think the shit-talking got to him. 1.00

00:25:27.000 The guy constantly talks shit, fuck with his emotions, you know? 1.00

00:25:30.000 And I think he's all wound up tight. 1.00

00:25:33.000 I think that's a big, big issue with fighters.

00:25:35.000 Big issues.

00:25:36.000 Even with Klitschko, though?

00:25:37.000 He's been through the wringer.

00:25:38.000 He hasn't lost 10 years.

00:25:39.000 Doesn't matter. 1.00

00:25:40.000 That kind of shit-talking, that kind of disrespectful shit-talking, I think it still gets to you. 1.00

00:25:44.000 Then your boy, Aldo's fucked Saturday. 1.00

00:25:45.000 Aldo's a different guy. 0.99

00:25:47.000 Then Klitschko?

00:25:48.000 Yes.

00:25:48.000 You're talking about an Olympic gold medalist.

00:25:50.000 Yes, but Klitschko has been a guy that they have labeled as a guy who has issues with mental toughness.

00:25:57.000 He got knocked out by Corey... 0.99

00:25:59.000 What the fuck is his name? 0.99

00:26:00.000 I want to say Corey Anderson? 1.00

00:26:01.000 What the hell?

00:26:02.000 No, not Corey Anderson. 0.97

00:26:04.000 The South African guy knocked him out.

00:26:06.000 And then Lamont Brewster knocked him out, too.

00:26:09.000 Both guys knocked him out.

00:26:10.000 And, you know, the guys were saying, like, that he had issues with mental toughness.

00:26:15.000 That was the rap on him.

00:26:16.000 This is not my opinion.

00:26:17.000 This is like the boxing insiders that knew him from the gym would say these things.

00:26:22.000 And that was one of the things that they brought up in this fight, that Tyson Fury believed from talking to people that trained with Klitschko, with Emanuel Stewart, that Klitschko could be broken.

00:26:33.000 He could be bullied. 0.99

00:26:34.000 He could be fucked with. 1.00

00:26:35.000 You can get inside his head. 1.00

00:26:37.000 You know?

00:26:38.000 What was his name?

00:26:38.000 What was the first guy?

00:26:40.000 No one's been able to do it for 10 years.

00:26:42.000 Yeah, I mean, look, he's giant and he has a great jab.

00:26:45.000 I'll tell you who fucks up both these boys and he fights Saturday night.

00:26:46.000 That Anthony Joshua guy from England.

00:26:48.000 I'm telling you, man.

00:26:49.000 Did you look this kid up?

00:26:50.000 Yeah, I did.

00:26:51.000 Yeah, he looks terrifying.

00:26:52.000 God dog.

00:26:53.000 And you know who everybody's ducking?

00:26:55.000 Shannon Briggs.

00:26:56.000 They really are.

00:26:57.000 They don't want none of that.

00:26:58.000 I mean, he's older, but yeah.

00:26:59.000 He's older.

00:27:00.000 He's 43 years old. 1.00

00:27:02.000 But he is still packing some serious fucking power. 1.00

00:27:06.000 He's got a wicked left hook to the body. 1.00

00:27:09.000 He's nasty as fuck, I agree. 1.00

00:27:12.000 He's got a skillful delivery of punches that is unparalleled in that division. 0.99

00:27:16.000 I think if you watch the way he delivers combinations, he can deliver a one-two vicious left hook to the body that there's not a lot of guys in that division could do.

00:27:24.000 It's a craft.

00:27:25.000 I know, but it's hard to sell a 43-year-old.

00:27:27.000 Oh yeah, it is.

00:27:28.000 Corey Sanders, that's who it is, thank you.

00:27:31.000 Pull up the last fight, Shannon Briggs' last fight. 1.00

00:27:35.000 Dude, he's fighting a guy who does not deserve to be in the ring with him, right?

00:27:39.000 He's a former world champion, and at one time he's like one of the biggest prospects in the heavyweight division.

00:27:43.000 But he hits this dude with a one-two, like a gentle one-two, and then just pops him on the left hook, left hook to the liver, and the guy goes...

00:27:52.000 His body just crumbles.

00:27:54.000 It's the way he delivers it, like there's a fluidity to his left hook, like Nicky Holtzkin.

00:27:59.000 You ever seen Nicky Holtzkin throw that left hook?

00:28:01.000 Probably the best left hook in the world. 0.99

00:28:03.000 That left hook is a goddamn thing of beauty. 0.99

00:28:06.000 It's from the heavens. 0.99

00:28:07.000 The way Nicky throws it too, it's like he gets you thinking about these head punches and then snap!

00:28:13.000 He just snaps it in, like right in the pocket in that liver shot.

00:28:17.000 You know they, not to go back to them, but you know they took Tyson Fury's title away.

00:28:20.000 Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

00:28:22.000 That's what I was going to say.

00:28:23.000 In MMA, you can't look at it that way.

00:28:27.000 Well, I guess we're going to see a replay.

00:28:29.000 But why don't you bring it back to the beginning, Jamie, so you can watch it from the beginning.

00:28:34.000 Briggs is jacked, son.

00:28:36.000 Well, can we go to the beginning of the video?

00:28:38.000 Just go all the way to the beginning.

00:28:40.000 There you go.

00:28:41.000 Right to the beginning.

00:28:42.000 But look at this.

00:28:42.000 That's it.

00:28:43.000 That's exactly what I was looking for.

00:28:44.000 Do that again. 0.95

00:28:45.000 Play that again.

00:28:46.000 Play that again.

00:28:47.000 But just watch the fluidity.

00:28:48.000 Pop, pop.

00:28:49.000 Watch this.

00:28:50.000 Come on, son.

00:28:52.000 That's nasty.

00:28:52.000 Pop, pop, and then that left hook under the arm.

00:28:55.000 Who the fuck? 0.99

00:28:56.000 Who boxes like him in the heavyweight division? 1.00

00:28:58.000 I would say one more time.

00:29:00.000 Do that thing from the beginning.

00:29:02.000 Look at that.

00:29:03.000 The whipping fluidity to his punches.

00:29:07.000 He's got this real refined style of punching.

00:29:12.000 He's going to struggle with a younger guy like that.

00:29:15.000 Joshua or Dante Wilder, though.

00:29:17.000 They're not going to sit there.

00:29:18.000 That's true.

00:29:19.000 They're going to push a hard pace.

00:29:20.000 They're going to get in his face.

00:29:20.000 That guy he's fighting, he got straight off the bus.

00:29:23.000 Look at this son.

00:29:25.000 Yeah.

00:29:25.000 That's nasty.

00:29:26.000 Yeah.

00:29:27.000 But, you know, he had a hard time with Vitaly Klitschko.

00:29:29.000 Vitaly Klitschko beat him up.

00:29:31.000 But I don't know if he was working as hard back then as he was now.

00:29:33.000 He's sort of like a reborn kind of a guy.

00:29:36.000 Good for him, man.

00:29:38.000 He's got all these motivational videos online, too.

00:29:40.000 He's an interesting guy.

00:29:41.000 I'm a fan.

00:29:42.000 I am, too.

00:29:43.000 Me, too.

00:29:43.000 I want to see him get a shot before he's too old.

00:29:46.000 You know, he's 43. It's going to be tough, man. 0.83

00:29:48.000 Dude, him and Tyson Fury would be some wild shit. 0.99

00:29:51.000 That would be a wild ass fight. 0.99

00:29:52.000 Him and Deontay Wilder, that would be another wild fight.

00:29:56.000 Dude, I'm trying to see Deontay Wilder and that Joshua guy.

00:29:59.000 Yeah, that would be interesting.

00:30:01.000 But boxing, right?

00:30:03.000 It takes forever for anything to work out.

00:30:05.000 Did you see Canelo Alvarez?

00:30:07.000 Yes.

00:30:07.000 Miguel Cotto?

00:30:08.000 How good did Alvarez look?

00:30:09.000 Jesus Christ.

00:30:10.000 He looked good.

00:30:11.000 He looked good.

00:30:12.000 To me, he's not the savior.

00:30:13.000 Like, he's not the Mexican savior that we're all looking for.

00:30:17.000 He could be.

00:30:17.000 Not yet.

00:30:18.000 Not yet.

00:30:19.000 If I'm Canelo's camp, you're not fighting Triple G next.

00:30:23.000 We're not doing that.

00:30:24.000 That's a bad idea. 0.99

00:30:25.000 As a fan, I'm like, fuck yeah, fight. 0.98

00:30:27.000 You know what the problem with the Triple G fight is? 0.98

00:30:30.000 If I was a promoter, I would say that guy only sold 145,000 pay-per-views in his last fight. 0.98

00:30:37.000 Nobody knows who the fuck he is yet. 1.00

00:30:39.000 And he's dangerous as fuck. 1.00

00:30:40.000 He's dangerous as fuck. 1.00

00:30:41.000 And if you're going to have that fight, it should be maximized. 1.00

00:30:44.000 I agree, man.

00:30:45.000 When Floyd and Manny, they almost missed the boat, right?

00:30:47.000 Oh, they missed the boat. 0.96

00:30:49.000 Well, they kind of did, but they still hit it pretty goddamn hard. 0.84

00:30:53.000 It was the biggest fight ever. 0.80

00:30:54.000 It went big.

00:30:54.000 I'm just saying it could have been bigger if they did it two years ago.

00:30:56.000 They got lucky and they pulled it back once Manny came back and won some fights and looked really good.

00:31:01.000 But if you look at that division right now, you know, like, if you look at, like...

00:31:09.000 If you look at Canelo's fight with Floyd, that was a good fight for Canelo to learn.

00:31:15.000 He's really young.

00:31:17.000 He's trying to figure it out.

00:31:18.000 It's too much for him.

00:31:19.000 Too much for him.

00:31:19.000 Made him mainstream.

00:31:20.000 But if you look at Gennady Golovkin, he's a totally different kind of a guy.

00:31:26.000 He's a dangerous guy.

00:31:28.000 No, he's ready to go. 0.93

00:31:29.000 He's ready to fight anyone in the world and beat him right now.

00:31:32.000 Canelo's not at that stage yet.

00:31:33.000 He might be, though.

00:31:35.000 You think?

00:31:35.000 Yeah.

00:31:36.000 After being an older Kodo?

00:31:37.000 Yeah, but he looked good.

00:31:39.000 He looked good.

00:31:39.000 He was showing all kinds of skills that he hadn't shown before.

00:31:42.000 That counter uppercut.

00:31:43.000 He was doing a lot of nasty stuff in there.

00:31:45.000 His defense looked amazing. 1.00

00:31:46.000 And he fucking hits hard. 0.98

00:31:47.000 He scares guys, because he doesn't throw a lot of half-speed stuff. 0.99

00:31:51.000 Yeah, it's just it's an assault, you know, and you feel that like that pressure right off the beginning Like he puts his pressure on Cotto and that pressure is always there.

00:32:00.000 It's a part of the fight It's like his power and his presence they are an added element that Cotto has to consider that he didn't have to consider with Cotto Like with Cotto he had a minus P's and Q's he had a huge good defense and you know,

00:32:16.000 he had to stay on it But he's really only dealing with a left hook Cotto really never hurts guys that bad with his right hand.

00:32:22.000 But he has a very nasty left hook, but he's really been fighting smaller guys, too.

00:32:26.000 I was going to say, he's a lot smaller.

00:32:28.000 Cotto's thing, even if he was landing, Canelo didn't respect.

00:32:31.000 He just walked through it.

00:32:32.000 Canelo's like probably a buck seventy when he's walking around.

00:32:35.000 He's tiny.

00:32:35.000 I've done stuff.

00:32:36.000 Canelo or Cotto?

00:32:37.000 Cotto.

00:32:38.000 Cotto's tiny.

00:32:39.000 I've done campaigns with that guy, and he is totally Tiny.

00:32:43.000 What is he, like 5'5", 5'6"?

00:32:45.000 5'6", probably.

00:32:46.000 And he weighs 155 in shape, right?

00:32:50.000 Yes.

00:32:51.000 Yeah, and Canelo cuts down and then probably gets in the 170s, right?

00:32:56.000 He's a big boy.

00:32:57.000 Bigger for that weight class.

00:32:58.000 And that's why Floyd wanted a catchweight fight with him, right?

00:33:01.000 Exactly.

00:33:01.000 Yeah.

00:33:01.000 And that's why they did a catchweight with Cotto and Canelo.

00:33:04.000 Yes.

00:33:05.000 See, we've got to weaken that kid.

00:33:06.000 We weaken him to get him down there.

00:33:08.000 See, but the thing I do like about boxing is by the time these guys reach their potential, they've had like 20 or 30 fights.

00:33:15.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:33:16.000 They've had a lot of experience.

00:33:17.000 They're ready for that next step.

00:33:19.000 Exactly.

00:33:19.000 In the UFC, we don't have that, really.

00:33:20.000 Exactly.

00:33:21.000 We just don't have that.

00:33:22.000 Like, look at Paige and Rose. 0.96

00:33:24.000 Rose, I think, is, what, 3-2 or some shit like that? 0.81

00:33:27.000 And they're headlining. 0.89

00:33:29.000 Yeah.

00:33:29.000 It's tough, man.

00:33:30.000 Well, that's also the women's division is a little bit less experienced. 0.95

00:33:33.000 Not a little.

00:33:33.000 A lot less experienced in the men's division.

00:33:35.000 There's that.

00:33:36.000 That's a bad example.

00:33:37.000 But, like, at least Sage Northcutt, like, I mean, you want to talk about a mismatch.

00:33:42.000 This fight tonight?

00:33:43.000 Cody Pfister?

00:33:44.000 How dare you?

00:33:45.000 What's that face?

00:33:46.000 He's out there.

00:33:47.000 His mom's out there.

00:33:48.000 How dare you?

00:33:49.000 His parents are watching.

00:33:50.000 I know. 0.99

00:33:51.000 Sage is going to kick his head off. 0.96

00:33:53.000 I mean, that fight is tailor-made for him. 0.99

00:33:55.000 We'll see.

00:33:55.000 But I'm just saying, I'm not saying it's an easy fight.

00:33:59.000 Cut to one of those YouTube videos.

00:34:00.000 Cody Pfister on top ground.

00:34:03.000 Chob's come out in 30 seconds. 1.00

00:34:04.000 And Chob's like, fuck me. 1.00

00:34:06.000 Oh, I know, right? 1.00

00:34:07.000 Oh, there you go, Chob.

00:34:08.000 Way to go. 1.00

00:34:09.000 You don't know shit, you fucking idiot. 1.00

00:34:11.000 You didn't call the Rhonda fight either, you idiot. 1.00

00:34:14.000 I'm just saying, I like this step for Sage, right? 1.00

00:34:18.000 Yes.

00:34:18.000 Like, it's a good progression in his career.

00:34:20.000 Well, he's in a deep, deep, deep, deep, deep division.

00:34:23.000 He is jacked.

00:34:24.000 That boy is in shape. 0.90

00:34:25.000 We need a new word.

00:34:26.000 We need a new word.

00:34:27.000 Is that a jacked?

00:34:27.000 Jacked and shredded, because he's like some new thing.

00:34:29.000 He doesn't have any fat.

00:34:30.000 He has no fat, and he's swolled up.

00:34:32.000 I can't think that's healthy.

00:34:33.000 I've got to think that some fat is probably good for your body.

00:34:36.000 It's good for cardio, too.

00:34:38.000 Yeah.

00:34:38.000 It's good for your cardio.

00:34:39.000 Well, it's also like, depending on what your body's using for fuel, what are you using for fuel?

00:34:44.000 Is your body using fat, or is your body using glucose?

00:34:47.000 Because you're not getting any glucose in a five-round fight.

00:34:50.000 Oh, look at this boy.

00:34:52.000 I mean, he looks like he'd just be the lead singer of a boy band right now.

00:34:56.000 Somebody on the underground, I forget what the exact quote that he looks like. 0.92

00:34:59.000 I'm going to butcher this because I don't have it in front of me, but they said something like, he looked like a boy band fucked an American Eagle.

00:35:07.000 Whoever that is that said that, I'm sorry, I didn't give you credit. 0.97

00:35:10.000 This kid's just shredded. 0.98

00:35:12.000 Yeah, I think he said something like, someone from NSYNC fucked an American Eagle. 0.99

00:35:17.000 Yeah, it's true. 0.98

00:35:19.000 Yeah.

00:35:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:35:23.000 How long do you think he can keep pussy away? 1.00

00:35:26.000 Because it's got to be like a swarm of malaria-ridden mosquitoes flying into his hotel room. 1.00

00:35:32.000 Think about every fucking... 0.99

00:35:33.000 What? 1.00

00:35:34.000 Every girl wants to get with it. 1.00

00:35:36.000 And he's at Texas A&M. I don't know if you've ever seen the smoke shows at Texas A&M. Those are my favorite girls.

00:35:43.000 They're the best.

00:35:44.000 God bless them.

00:35:44.000 Them and Australians.

00:35:46.000 The Australians get wild. 1.00

00:35:47.000 They're pretty hot.

00:35:48.000 I just feel like homeboy is going to have to break at some point.

00:35:51.000 But you know what's weird?

00:35:52.000 Do you see the article on his dad?

00:35:55.000 I heard, but I didn't bother digging in because I figured, you know what, I don't even want to read this.

00:36:00.000 I mean, it's just his dad has, you know, apparently a dark past that has nothing to do with him. 0.99

00:36:04.000 They just assume that his dad has this weird past that Sage is on some shit. 0.99

00:36:09.000 I don't think so. 0.98

00:36:10.000 Well, say the path.

00:36:11.000 What is the path?

00:36:12.000 Pat, I think you went to prison for 10 plus years for selling steroids and other stuff.

00:36:19.000 And cocaine, right?

00:36:20.000 Yes.

00:36:20.000 Yeah.

00:36:21.000 Well, that's a good combination.

00:36:23.000 If you want to be really angry and strong.

00:36:24.000 Especially if you're in pride.

00:36:26.000 It's a hell of a drug.

00:36:28.000 You'll win a belt.

00:36:29.000 Yeah, I hope it doesn't have anything to do with him.

00:36:31.000 I hope his dad is reformed.

00:36:32.000 No, I'm sure.

00:36:32.000 Come on.

00:36:33.000 He's just a freak, man. 0.97

00:36:34.000 Could be.

00:36:35.000 Well, he's also been training since he was five.

00:36:37.000 And here's the thing about steroids.

00:36:40.000 You need a lot more than that to look like that.

00:36:43.000 100%.

00:36:43.000 That's genetics, man.

00:36:44.000 It's genetics and it's insane work.

00:36:46.000 Yes.

00:36:46.000 There's just no way around it.

00:36:48.000 I'd say more genetics than anything.

00:36:50.000 100%.

00:36:50.000 At his age, more genetics.

00:36:52.000 And I think a strict diet for the majority of his life.

00:36:55.000 I mean, he's been eating lean chicken, and he details what he eats.

00:36:59.000 Really?

00:37:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:00.000 I mean, he's in college, too, so I'm sure after this fight he's balls deep in Chipotle or something.

00:37:04.000 I think he is, man.

00:37:05.000 I think he's one of those guys.

00:37:07.000 Those guys are tough to hang out with.

00:37:09.000 Those are scary.

00:37:09.000 Look at him.

00:37:11.000 He's got this fucking glow that's like, yeah, everything's amazing. 0.99

00:37:16.000 He's still coming out of the womb. 1.00

00:37:17.000 He has no idea.

00:37:19.000 He's never seen anything dark in his life. 0.99

00:37:21.000 Did you see him deadlift 500 pounds or some shit? 0.99

00:37:24.000 Does he really? 0.99

00:37:25.000 He looks at the camera and he's like, hey, everybody.

00:37:27.000 He's just like...

00:37:28.000 Jesus sets it down.

00:37:29.000 Well, we were waiting for these guys to start showing up these guys who's who have been a project by some overzealous father Who has a martial arts background and it takes the kids?

00:37:38.000 Yeah, well, I don't want that guy.

00:37:40.000 You know I'm saying maybe he did in the 80s.

00:37:42.000 Yeah tap on the 90s when the tab I'll start If he had a tabloid shirt in like 98, I'll accept it.

00:37:48.000 And he's watching just Rich Franklin.

00:37:50.000 What is that?

00:37:50.000 Oh, there he is.

00:37:51.000 Look at him.

00:37:51.000 Look, he's like, hey, there you go.

00:37:53.000 Hey, check this out, everyone.

00:37:54.000 Is that real?

00:37:55.000 Yeah, that's real.

00:37:56.000 Look, hey.

00:37:57.000 That guy lifted 500 pounds like it's nothing.

00:37:59.000 I don't know how much that is.

00:38:01.000 It looks like a shitload, though.

00:38:02.000 That's a lot of weight.

00:38:04.000 I don't know who that is.

00:38:05.000 I'm not mad at that. 0.99

00:38:06.000 What is that girl sticking her ass out? 1.00

00:38:07.000 Holy jeez. 0.99

00:38:07.000 I'm not mad at her. 0.99

00:38:09.000 Yeah, that's a strong fucker. 0.99

00:38:11.000 He's definitely talented. 0.99

00:38:13.000 He's got a lot of techniques, too.

00:38:14.000 And he's really good at transitioning between striking and grappling.

00:38:17.000 But what I was going to say when we got on this long, circuitous route is that someone like a Holly Holm is not in a position like a Tyson Fury is. 1.00

00:38:27.000 Where Tyson Fury can say, fuck it, I don't want to fight this Russian cat. 1.00

00:38:32.000 She's not? 1.00

00:38:32.000 But hold on, let me finish. 1.00

00:38:33.000 Sorry, brother.

00:38:33.000 Let me finish.

00:38:35.000 He can say, Tyson Fury can say, I don't want to fight this Russian dude. 1.00

00:38:39.000 And they go, fuck it, we're stripping you the title. 1.00

00:38:40.000 He's like, whatever, bitch. 1.00

00:38:41.000 I know I'm still the champ. 1.00

00:38:42.000 Everybody knows I'm the champ.

00:38:43.000 I just beat Vladimir Klitschko. 1.00

00:38:45.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:38:45.000 Like, he can do that and get away with it. 1.00

00:38:47.000 And he can go to Bob Arum.

00:38:49.000 Or he can go to, you know, Golden Boy.

00:38:52.000 Or the Money Team.

00:38:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:54.000 There's all these different promoters.

00:38:56.000 Floyd Mayweather is all these different promoters that will put on excellent fights that are big pay-per-view events that HBO can show.

00:39:03.000 That's the difference.

00:39:05.000 With the UFC, it's the UFC. There's one game in town.

00:39:08.000 So if Holly Holm says, you know what, I'm not waiting for Ronda Rousey.

00:39:13.000 I'm fighting Misha Tate. 0.99

00:39:15.000 Put the fucking fight together. 1.00

00:39:16.000 Can't do it. 1.00

00:39:17.000 Really?

00:39:17.000 I disagree.

00:39:18.000 But this is what I'm saying.

00:39:19.000 I disagree.

00:39:20.000 How can she? 0.99

00:39:21.000 She can say, listen, if you don't give me a fight before then, come July, I'm not doing shit. 0.98

00:39:28.000 Oh, and your biggest payday? 0.98

00:39:29.000 I'm not doing anything.

00:39:30.000 You can't do that.

00:39:31.000 Why?

00:39:31.000 Because she's got a contract.

00:39:32.000 I'm sure she has a contract.

00:39:34.000 They can't fine her.

00:39:35.000 I don't know what the contract says when you're the champion, do you?

00:39:39.000 I would assume that it says something.

00:39:42.000 They must have to get it in writing in some way that you're obligated to defend your title against a challenger of their choosing.

00:39:50.000 I would assume.

00:39:51.000 Okay, if I was going to run a promotion like the UFC... And that's fine.

00:39:54.000 I'm just saying if...

00:39:56.000 Let's say, if I'm Jon Jones, Rhonda's calling the shots, my man.

00:40:01.000 I don't know if you guys realize, Rhonda's basically like, listen, I have this movie here, I need to fight here. 0.99

00:40:05.000 That's how this is going down.

00:40:07.000 Okay, let me correct you.

00:40:08.000 Let me correct you.

00:40:12.000 That's not what's going on.

00:40:13.000 What's going on is a number.

00:40:15.000 That number is 200. UFC 200. They want to make it the biggest fucking UFC the world has ever known.

00:40:23.000 They're already advertising it, okay? 0.95

00:40:25.000 You'll see these big, like, big images.

00:40:28.000 It just comes on July 2016, UFC 200. There's no other number, hold on, there's no other number that's like that.

00:40:34.000 That they're looking towards this thing.

00:40:36.000 Then, there's also this gigantic arena that's opening up in Vegas in April.

00:40:41.000 So they know that that's where they're going to do it, and they know they're going to do it in July.

00:40:44.000 So this is what's motivating.

00:40:46.000 No, I get that, Joe.

00:40:47.000 If you don't think that they're the ones that are guiding this to July and not Ronda, guarantee you it's them.

00:40:54.000 I'm not saying that.

00:40:55.000 I'm saying previously, before Ronda's been able to, with movies and everything, decide when she fights. 0.97

00:41:00.000 Yeah, well, not now, though.

00:41:01.000 No, not now.

00:41:01.000 This is whatever.

00:41:02.000 I don't know if her jaw's messed up or with this now.

00:41:06.000 I'm just saying if I'm Holly, she has more power than she thinks.

00:41:10.000 Yes and no.

00:41:12.000 Because if someone was out that long, because it's a long time, you know what I'm saying?

00:41:16.000 But from a business standpoint, I'm with Dana White.

00:41:19.000 That fight has to happen.

00:41:20.000 You can't have Holly fight anyone else.

00:41:22.000 See, I disagree.

00:41:23.000 Really?

00:41:24.000 Yeah, I disagree.

00:41:25.000 Watch how many pay-per-views Holly vs. 0.99

00:41:27.000 Misha sells. 0.88

00:41:28.000 Okay, listen.

00:41:29.000 First of all, this is what I think.

00:41:30.000 This is my personal opinion.

00:41:31.000 This is just opinions.

00:41:33.000 I think you're crazy to not have more than one superstar.

00:41:38.000 Okay?

00:41:38.000 And I think Holly has the legit possibility of being a superstar.

00:41:42.000 Legit.

00:41:43.000 She has everything going for her.

00:41:45.000 She's a preacher's daughter.

00:41:46.000 She is very well-spoken.

00:41:48.000 She's very calm and she's got a great personality and she's sweet and people root for her.

00:41:54.000 And in the face of all the craziness and the trash-talking, the media obligations and the pressure, she showed character and she never cracked.

00:42:01.000 And when she got in there, she performed like a world-class fighter. 0.88

00:42:04.000 I agree.

00:42:05.000 And became the new champion.

00:42:06.000 That's a potential superstar, okay?

00:42:08.000 For sure.

00:42:09.000 And if Ronda's gonna be out for this long amount of time, why rush her?

00:42:13.000 I mean, if July, okay?

00:42:15.000 You're talking about July, right?

00:42:16.000 We're in December.

00:42:17.000 January, February, March, April, May, June, July.

00:42:21.000 Seven months.

00:42:21.000 She just said in an interview that she's not gonna be able to eat an apple for six months.

00:42:25.000 Forget about taking impact.

00:42:27.000 So how is that gonna happen in July and have her be at her optimum? 1.00

00:42:32.000 How is it going to happen?

00:42:33.000 I don't know.

00:42:33.000 The UFC's pushing it.

00:42:35.000 I don't know.

00:42:37.000 I haven't talked to anybody.

00:42:38.000 My personal opinion. 1.00

00:42:40.000 Holly Holm could be a fucking monster. 1.00

00:42:44.000 She could be a monster. 1.00

00:42:45.000 And she could be a monster on the level of any champion in combat sports. 1.00

00:42:50.000 Any champion in the UFC. She can. 1.00

00:42:53.000 If Holly Holm just goes on to dominate the way Ronda dominated, and we all know that she knocked Ronda out, if she gets in there and fights, fill in the blank, fill in whatever girl's name, And head kicks her into oblivion on television. 0.96

00:43:05.000 Everybody's like, holy shit, we got a new one. 0.53

00:43:07.000 Ronda didn't become Ronda immediately. 0.99

00:43:09.000 She became Ronda with a series of spectacular victories.

00:43:13.000 Holly Holm strings a few of those together, you got another gigantic dynamo. 1.00

00:43:17.000 Then, when Ronda's ready to come back, and she's 100% healed and healthy, and has made some corrections, and really worked on fixing whatever holes were exposed during her game, then you have this monumental Fucking super fight. 0.97

00:43:32.000 And if Misha wins, then you've got a crazy fucking love triangle here. 0.98

00:43:37.000 No. 0.99

00:43:37.000 See, and this all sounds great. 0.99

00:43:40.000 I'm saying no, because this all sounds great.

00:43:42.000 Unless Holly and Misha fight, or Holly fight Cyborg, and she loses, your biggest payday goes out the window.

00:43:49.000 Cyborg's out the window, because now she's saying she's not going to make 135. Let's just look at what we got here.

00:43:56.000 Misha.

00:43:56.000 Okay, if Misha wins, if Misha beats Holly Holm, and then Misha wants to fight Ronda again.

00:44:02.000 I'm good.

00:44:04.000 You're good. 1.00

00:44:04.000 You're crazy. 1.00

00:44:05.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

00:44:06.000 She's already lost twice. 1.00

00:44:07.000 What if she keeps the fight standing and outstrikes her?

00:44:09.000 They've only fought twice.

00:44:10.000 That's true.

00:44:10.000 You tell me that's going to break records?

00:44:13.000 I think it'd be an interesting fight.

00:44:14.000 No, no, no.

00:44:15.000 I didn't ask that.

00:44:15.000 I think it'd be an interesting fight.

00:44:17.000 I don't know if it'll break records.

00:44:18.000 I think that to break records is Holly.

00:44:20.000 Yes.

00:44:20.000 Holly-Ronda is your money fight.

00:44:23.000 But if Holly... 1.00

00:44:24.000 I think the long game is if Holly gets even better, if she gets even more recognition, and Ronda fully heals up, And you also give a chance for Misha Tate to take that title.

00:44:36.000 You run a risk. 0.96

00:44:37.000 But I think even if Misha Tate beats Holly and they have a three-round rematch or a five-round main event rematch, non-title fight, if Misha's got the strap and Holly and Ronda go at it in a five-rounder, that shit would still be bananas. 0.97

00:44:52.000 Gigantic. 0.98

00:44:53.000 I agree.

00:44:54.000 And everybody makes money.

00:44:55.000 You get more superstars.

00:44:57.000 You get more high-level superstars.

00:45:02.000 Marquee matchups.

00:45:03.000 I don't think Ronda has three or four fights left in her. 1.00

00:45:07.000 Why did he say that?

00:45:09.000 Because she said, if I lose to Holly, I'm going to retire.

00:45:11.000 So by even saying, if I fight Holly and I lose, I'm going to retire.

00:45:15.000 She said that?

00:45:15.000 She said that in a recent interview.

00:45:17.000 She goes, if I were to lose to Holly, I'm done.

00:45:19.000 I retire.

00:45:20.000 I'm not making that up.

00:45:21.000 So as soon as someone says, if this were to happen, I'm going to retire, that means you're already thinking about the end of the road.

00:45:28.000 So there's going to be no round robin.

00:45:30.000 So the short game and the big payday and the short scheme is Ronda Hawley. 0.82

00:45:34.000 So I get the July weight. 0.97

00:45:36.000 I'm just saying it sucks for Hawley.

00:45:38.000 That's the only person that loses in this is Hawley.

00:45:40.000 I think July is going to be tricky if Ronda's telling...

00:45:45.000 If she's honest or if she's accurate rather about how long it's gonna take her to heal up She just got cleared She just got cleared, but she also did an interview where she said she's not gonna be able to eat an apple I know that's why I don't understand.

00:45:57.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

00:45:58.000 And she's also staying with I forget his name now fucking Edmund she's staying with Edmund too. 0.96

00:46:05.000 So that's another thing. 0.96

00:46:06.000 So she's staying with Edmund and this is the issue.

00:46:09.000 Where do you think she should go?

00:46:11.000 I have no idea.

00:46:12.000 If I had a plan, I would tell you, Joe.

00:46:13.000 But she has to get better.

00:46:15.000 And I think everyone's doing her a disservice, including Dana White, including Edmund, saying, you've been so busy, all this stress.

00:46:22.000 Because all it is, Ronda, Ronda, Ronda.

00:46:24.000 Can we give Holly the credit and say, Holly's just better, man.

00:46:28.000 And for Ronda to beat her, she has to get better in striking. 1.00

00:46:31.000 That's the only way she's going to beat her. 1.00

00:46:33.000 If you think she's going to beat her by grappling, you're full of shit. 1.00

00:46:35.000 It's not going to happen. 1.00

00:46:37.000 So to fight in July and she's shooting a movie, really? 0.92

00:46:40.000 And she's staying with the same trainer.

00:46:42.000 Why do you think the outcome is going to be different?

00:46:44.000 Well, it could.

00:46:45.000 First of all, I disagree that she couldn't beat her in grappling.

00:46:48.000 I think it's very possible that she could catch her with something.

00:46:51.000 It's very possible.

00:46:52.000 There could be a scramble and she can catch her. 0.96

00:46:54.000 100% it's possible.

00:46:56.000 But why do you say it's not then?

00:46:57.000 I'm saying the chances of her beating Holly, because there are only chances to grapple, right?

00:47:01.000 Right.

00:47:02.000 Okay, so let's say that doesn't work again and we're back to stand-up.

00:47:05.000 Okay.

00:47:06.000 So why would you think of continuing what you're doing is going to be any different?

00:47:09.000 But wouldn't you say she has a distinct advantage in grappling? 0.94

00:47:12.000 If it goes down there?

00:47:13.000 If it goes down there, right?

00:47:14.000 But wouldn't you say that?

00:47:15.000 Like Holly's only been grappling for a few years.

00:47:17.000 100% and Holly's never been taken down.

00:47:19.000 Well, she was down in this fight, but it was really, she was on top.

00:47:23.000 She took Ronda down. 0.99

00:47:24.000 She took Ronda down, and the one time where Ronda was going for the arm bar, Ronda was on the bottom. 0.86

00:47:28.000 Mm-hmm.

00:47:30.000 But, theoretically, I mean, at least if you looked at the two of them in terms of just raw grappling, you would have to think that Ronda's got a much higher level of her game. 0.60

00:47:39.000 100%.

00:47:40.000 If she didn't get tagged the way she got tagged in that fight, it is a big if.

00:47:45.000 It's a giant if.

00:47:46.000 It's almost an insurmountable if.

00:47:47.000 If you take away Holly's...

00:47:48.000 Phenomenal striking.

00:47:50.000 You don't have to take away a striking.

00:47:52.000 You just have to avoid it.

00:47:54.000 You have to figure out a way to avoid it.

00:47:55.000 And one of the ways to avoid it is not go head-on.

00:47:57.000 Like, you look at the Raquel Pennington fight.

00:48:00.000 Raquel fought a much more conservative fight with Hawley, and that was a split decision. 0.99

00:48:05.000 It's a different demeanor.

00:48:06.000 You're talking about footwork angles, less aggressive.

00:48:09.000 That's not how Ronda got this famous.

00:48:11.000 It's true, but that doesn't mean anything.

00:48:13.000 It's like, what do you have to do to win?

00:48:14.000 Forget about what got you famous.

00:48:16.000 What's the best tactical, technical approach to fighting someone who is as talented a striker as Holly? 1.00

00:48:22.000 And do you have that skill set in seven months?

00:48:26.000 That's a good question.

00:48:27.000 Do you have the skill set to get great footwork, avoid Holly striking, get her down to the ground?

00:48:32.000 And we know that there's only a couple ways to develop the kind of movement that she's gonna have to get, and one of those is sparring. 1.00

00:48:40.000 100% Like you're gonna have to spar so you're gonna have to be able to get hit and if you have five six months Where you can't get I mean who knows she might have overestimated that they might like look at it again in a couple months might heal up quick Maybe there's some things they can do to help it heal up who knows who knows but if if she say if she was fine If she's fine now,

00:48:58.000 like, didn't have any teeth problems, didn't have any of that, like, how long do you think she should wait before she starts getting hit? 1.00

00:49:04.000 After a vicious, flatline, head kick knockout from one of the best kickboxers in the female bantamweight division, right? 1.00

00:49:15.000 I mean, she's the best.

00:49:16.000 In a perfect world?

00:49:17.000 She's the, actually, let's call her the best.

00:49:19.000 Between her and Jermaine Rondame, who's an outstanding Muay Thai champion, multiple I think that...

00:49:41.000 Man, that level, the level of kickboxing is very dangerous.

00:49:45.000 Her head kicks that she hides behind those punches, you go back and watch Holly's early fights, she gets those hands in front of you and then whack! 1.00

00:49:52.000 That fucking left high kick comes out of nowhere. 0.99

00:49:54.000 In a perfect world, I would say probably six months without any contact. 0.99

00:49:59.000 Six months without any contact.

00:50:00.000 Can't do that, though.

00:50:01.000 That's a smart move.

00:50:02.000 Can't do that if you're fighting in seven months.

00:50:04.000 Well, shouldn't it always be in a perfect mood?

00:50:06.000 In a perfect world?

00:50:07.000 And shouldn't, like...

00:50:09.000 There's outside pressure, though, Joe. 0.99

00:50:10.000 The outside pressure, they should stop and think about what the fuck they're doing. 0.99

00:50:14.000 I really believe that. 0.99

00:50:15.000 I think they should make sure...

00:50:17.000 Look, if Rhonda is going to perform at her best, you should have everything lined up so you know she's good to go before anything gets set up. 0.95

00:50:27.000 Everything should be lined up.

00:50:28.000 Well, I agree.

00:50:29.000 Everything should be lined up.

00:50:30.000 There should be no... 0.99

00:50:30.000 And again, we're talking out of our ass. 0.99

00:50:32.000 We haven't talked to Rhonda. 0.99

00:50:33.000 We don't know what her... 0.99

00:50:33.000 I have no idea. 0.99

00:50:34.000 This is from an interview she did.

00:50:35.000 People tell me this. 1.00

00:50:36.000 I try to avoid this shit. 1.00

00:50:39.000 Did you see the other thing she said in the interview? 1.00

00:50:41.000 That she was out from the first punch?

00:50:43.000 No, I didn't see that.

00:50:44.000 She said she got cracked by that first punch and she's basically...

00:50:47.000 Had no recollection.

00:50:48.000 ...on survival instincts.

00:50:49.000 She just didn't know.

00:50:49.000 But is that...

00:50:51.000 How does she know that?

00:50:53.000 Here's the thing.

00:50:55.000 When you get head kicked like that, right?

00:50:58.000 You forget a lot of things.

00:51:00.000 Your memory becomes this weird blur of events.

00:51:06.000 It's very hard to discern exactly what things took place in what order after being head kicked like that.

00:51:15.000 Like if you've had fights like the Var Johnson fight, perfect example. 0.98

00:51:19.000 You fought a fucking scary dude and you fought super smart. 1.00

00:51:22.000 You got in on that motherfucker and you took him down over and over again. 1.00

00:51:25.000 You controlled the fight. 1.00

00:51:27.000 You controlled it perfectly.

00:51:28.000 So you got out of that fight with a perfect recollection of how it went down, right?

00:51:31.000 But you've had fights before where after the fight Like the Roy Nelson fight.

00:51:36.000 Roy Nelson, Crow Cop, even though I won the Crow Cop fight, when I look back, I'm like, what?

00:51:41.000 Someone was telling me how I took him down.

00:51:43.000 I'm like, I did?

00:51:44.000 I don't remember that.

00:51:45.000 The Travis Brown fight, I thought it was the uppercut that really fucked me up, but it was when I went for a takedown and he sprawled and I landed on my neck after watching it.

00:51:53.000 I remember that's when I was really fucked up because it landed on my neck and it rattled me. 0.92

00:51:58.000 That's how T.J. Grant got his concussion. 0.96

00:52:01.000 Really?

00:52:01.000 Same exact way.

00:52:02.000 Yeah, people don't realize that.

00:52:03.000 Like, you know, when two guys are shooting, one guy's shooting for a takedown and the other guy's trying to defend, that hip to the face is super common.

00:52:10.000 Super common to get your belt wrong.

00:52:11.000 I very rarely watch my fights back.

00:52:13.000 And then I watch this, the Trash Brown fight, probably like, I don't know, right after the fight.

00:52:19.000 And I watch it and I'm like, oh, I'm not the same guy.

00:52:22.000 So you got rattled, you got rattled with that, and then you got rattled again with the punch.

00:52:26.000 Yeah, because after it rattled me, then I watch my movement, and I'm real slow, and our whole game plan was to avoid getting back to the cage.

00:52:35.000 I go straight back to the cage, hands down.

00:52:37.000 It's like, that's not me.

00:52:38.000 We trained 12 weeks to avoid that.

00:52:40.000 Yeah, head trauma, man.

00:52:42.000 Head trauma.

00:52:43.000 So in a perfect world with Rhonda, it's six months, and, you know, it's six months.

00:52:49.000 Wonder what a neurologist would say me to you know Someone who really understands head trauma from like a physical like just Just breaking it down to the actual physical components of the brain And all the connective tissue and what kind of damage was done and look at it with an MRI and you find look for inflammation and what are the issues I agree I'll tell you this,

00:53:13.000 though. 0.97

00:53:14.000 If there's anyone who can pull it out of her ass and get a win with that amount of time, six months with that schedule, it's Ronda Rousey. 1.00

00:53:21.000 With her tenacity and everyone's saying, oh, she should have left the camp. 0.99

00:53:25.000 For her, that's fire for the fuel. 1.00

00:53:28.000 So for her, I think...

00:53:29.000 Fuel for the fire.

00:53:30.000 Fuel for the fire.

00:53:31.000 She's going to use that and really take it to another level, which is scary. 1.00

00:53:36.000 But at the same time, is that the best way to go?

00:53:39.000 I don't think so.

00:53:40.000 It is interesting in the UFC, as opposed to other combat sports, where in other combat sports, the champion is in the driver's seat.

00:53:48.000 Like, Roy Jones Jr., when Roy Jones Jr. was the champ of the world, there was a Roy Jones show, okay? 0.99

00:53:54.000 He was in the goddamn driver's seat, and everybody else, you gotta wait with your fucking warm, wet towel to wash his balls, and someone else gotta be there with a towel to dry them off. 0.99

00:54:03.000 Like, it's the Roy Jones Jr. show, okay? 1.00

00:54:05.000 Whoever wants it.

00:54:06.000 Is it HBO? Is it pay-per-view?

00:54:07.000 Yeah.

00:54:08.000 They're lining up to see Roy Jones.

00:54:09.000 It's not the, you know, WBC, you know, WBC boxing.

00:54:14.000 It didn't mean that. 0.99

00:54:15.000 He could have thrown those fucking belts in the trash and fought everybody. 1.00

00:54:18.000 Nobody would have cared. 1.00

00:54:19.000 I think with Holly it's tough because she has this tremendous skill set and she's such a good person.

00:54:28.000 But, you know, it's kind of like the Chris Weidman effect.

00:54:31.000 They're so damn good, but now we see the Conor McGregor and the Ronda Rousey.

00:54:35.000 He's like, Holly, right?

00:54:37.000 And I took all this heat because I said, I don't think there's any other girl who can carry a pay-per-view main event like Ronda right now. 1.00

00:54:43.000 It's just not going to happen.

00:54:44.000 So I get all this heat.

00:54:46.000 And I know you disagree a little bit.

00:54:47.000 I get all this heat.

00:54:48.000 But Holly just beat Ronda, right? 0.82

00:54:51.000 Holly's on top of the world. 0.99

00:54:52.000 Holly's not on the front cover of USP in the magazine.

00:54:54.000 Holly's not doing interviews like Ronda's doing right now.

00:54:56.000 Yeah, but it just happened.

00:54:56.000 It just happened.

00:54:57.000 I'm just saying.

00:54:58.000 Yeah, but this just happened.

00:55:01.000 Holly is now the thing in MMA. She's the number one story. 1.00

00:55:05.000 Not yet.

00:55:06.000 No, no, no.

00:55:06.000 That's not true.

00:55:07.000 She's the number one story.

00:55:08.000 No, Rhonda's the number one story.

00:55:09.000 No, the girl who knocked out Rhonda is the number one story because she's the winner in this. 0.95

00:55:13.000 I disagree.

00:55:14.000 I disagree with you because she's the winner in this.

00:55:17.000 She's a successor.

00:55:18.000 She might not be as famous as Ronda, but she's got the momentum. 1.00

00:55:22.000 She's the winner.

00:55:23.000 She's the one right now who's the champion. 0.99

00:55:25.000 She's the one right now that people are like, wow, what a fucking performance by Holly Holm. 0.97

00:55:29.000 Eyes are on her now, as far as an athlete and a fighter. 0.98

00:55:32.000 I think all eyes are on Ronda.

00:55:34.000 Can she bounce back from this?

00:55:35.000 Well, there's gonna be that, too.

00:55:36.000 There's gonna be that, too.

00:55:37.000 No, there's way more than that.

00:55:38.000 But Ronda lost in that fight. 0.99

00:55:41.000 100%.

00:55:41.000 Holly won.

00:55:42.000 I agree.

00:55:43.000 Holly is the story right now.

00:55:44.000 She's the winner. 0.99

00:55:45.000 Other than Aldo and McGregor, and for the hardcore fans, Wybin and Rockhold, Holly Holm is the fucking story. 0.99

00:55:52.000 She should be. 0.98

00:55:53.000 I agree.

00:55:53.000 She should be.

00:55:54.000 In my eye, she's the story.

00:55:55.000 I agree.

00:55:56.000 And she should get more notoriety than anyone right now. 0.93

00:55:58.000 I think that, and I think... 0.98

00:56:00.000 If marketed correctly, she has the potential to be fucking gigantic. 1.00

00:56:05.000 Could she be as big as Ronda? 0.98

00:56:06.000 Is Ronda as big as she is because she's an antagonist? 0.99

00:56:09.000 Is she as big as she is because she's the person who says all that crazy shit, fucks with girls at the Wayans, and she's got that fucking attitude about her and comes out to that Joan Jett song and was beating girls' asses and was pulling it off? 1.00

00:56:21.000 Is that what it was? 1.00

00:56:22.000 Check, check, check, check, check.

00:56:24.000 But when a Holly Holm comes along and shows you an alternative approach, and an approach that ultimately is more successful against that one person.

00:56:33.000 We have one fight, you know that white fight, one fight between the two of them, Holly's flawless, right? 1.00

00:56:39.000 Flawless performance.

00:56:41.000 But it doesn't make any sense. 0.99

00:56:42.000 I mean, do we have a limited amount of fucking superstars? 0.99

00:56:45.000 Is there a limited amount of female champs that become huge? 1.00

00:56:48.000 I think no.

00:56:49.000 I think Holly has all the ingredients. 0.85

00:56:51.000 It's not gonna be the same kind of star, because I doubt there'll be as many people who hate her.

00:56:57.000 But that hate also fueled pay-per-view buys, people that were happy when Ronda lost. 0.85

00:57:02.000 There was all this extra reality TV shit that's going on with a Ronda Rousey experience. 0.95

00:57:07.000 Well, she crossed over to pop culture, so everyone was chiming in. 0.98

00:57:10.000 She crossed over.

00:57:10.000 She became like this cultural icon globally.

00:57:15.000 True.

00:57:15.000 She became a big...

00:57:16.000 And the first woman ever that was like this ass-kicker like that, that looked like her. 1.00

00:57:20.000 There's never been one of those before. 0.99

00:57:22.000 I agree.

00:57:23.000 So Holly comes along... 0.99

00:57:24.000 Holly's going to be a different kind of star. 1.00

00:57:26.000 She's going to be a big star.

00:57:27.000 I think Holly's going to be a big star.

00:57:29.000 She's not going to be a Ronda star.

00:57:31.000 She's not going to get the pay-per-view numbers like Ronda. 1.00

00:57:32.000 I don't know about that, man.

00:57:35.000 You might be right.

00:57:36.000 Hopefully I'm wrong.

00:57:37.000 I love Holly.

00:57:38.000 I think Holly's the greatest thing to happen to the women's division in a long, long time.

00:57:43.000 But she's a great person.

00:57:44.000 And if I had a daughter, I can point to Holly and say, you can act like her. 1.00

00:57:48.000 This is good.

00:57:48.000 I agree.

00:57:49.000 And we can't say that for a very long time.

00:57:51.000 Right.

00:57:51.000 I agree 100%.

00:57:52.000 She's a classic example of like an honorable mixed martial arts competitor. 1.00

00:57:58.000 That's what you want.

00:57:59.000 She's a true martial artist.

00:58:00.000 And she acts like a true champion.

00:58:01.000 Yes.

00:58:02.000 True pro.

00:58:02.000 I think that with the right fights, she could be gigantic.

00:58:06.000 This is her mainstream coming out party, right?

00:58:10.000 She knocks out Ronda Rousey, this giant upset, this huge performance. 0.94

00:58:13.000 She looks spectacular.

00:58:15.000 This is a coming out party.

00:58:16.000 And then she fights someone else.

00:58:18.000 You don't necessarily have to have this rematch right away.

00:58:21.000 And I think this also sets the seeds up for other people to get attention, like Kat Zingano, who knocked out Misha Tate. 0.98

00:58:27.000 Remember that fucking fight? 0.98

00:58:28.000 If Kat Singano didn't charge after Ronda like that, what if Kat was able to stuff the takedown and turn that fight into a fucking brawl? 1.00

00:58:35.000 Who knows what fight we missed out on because Kat decided to throw a crazy flying knee. 1.00

00:58:41.000 Worst game plan of all time in UFC history.

00:58:42.000 She probably meant that to you.

00:58:44.000 100% she will. 0.99

00:58:46.000 But she is a fucking badass. 1.00

00:58:48.000 Hell yeah, she's a badass. 1.00

00:58:48.000 That girl is a badass. 1.00

00:58:50.000 Super skilled.

00:58:50.000 You watch that fight with Misha Tate, when she hits her with that overhand elbow, whack!

00:58:55.000 Whack! 1.00

00:58:55.000 I mean, oh! 1.00

00:58:56.000 She's nasty! 1.00

00:58:57.000 See, I think, and they're all so close in the women's division at 135, I think Holly's going to struggle with Tate and Kat. 0.59

00:59:05.000 I think she's the perfect Achilles heel for Ronda. 1.00

00:59:07.000 I think these other matchups are a lot tougher for her.

00:59:10.000 They might be.

00:59:11.000 And sometimes that's interesting.

00:59:13.000 For us, the media needs a dominant champion, man.

00:59:17.000 To be a superstar, you need to be dominant.

00:59:20.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.

00:59:22.000 I think rivalries are great, too.

00:59:24.000 Sugar Ray Leonard, when he lost to Roberto Duran, got even more famous.

00:59:27.000 And then when they did it again in the rematch, the NoMas fight, that fight was gigantic!

00:59:31.000 No, yeah, those guys are badass.

00:59:32.000 I don't think Kat Zingano, and you can compare Kat Zingano and those guys are badass. 1.00

00:59:37.000 Respectfully, I agree.

00:59:38.000 I agree.

00:59:39.000 Skill-wise, you're right.

00:59:41.000 I'm with you, man.

00:59:42.000 Those are phenomenal fights.

00:59:43.000 We're talking about moments in time where people are popular, where they're fighting for titles.

00:59:47.000 I'm saying for the women's division right now, you need a dominant champ. 1.00

00:59:50.000 You need a dominant champ. 0.85

00:59:51.000 I don't know about that, man. 0.95

00:59:53.000 If Holly goes out and face-kicks Tate in the first round, then gets Captain Gano and drops her, all right, now we fucking got something. 0.63

01:00:00.000 But she loses to Tate. 1.00

01:00:01.000 It's like, oh, fuck. 1.00

01:00:02.000 Now, here's another thing. 1.00

01:00:03.000 And I hate to be the jinx here.

01:00:05.000 I hate to be the guy who talks about this, but for a girl like Rhonda, who's gonna go into movies and is gonna, you know, take off and become this... 1.00

01:00:15.000 Yeah, she's fine either way.

01:00:17.000 But is she?

01:00:18.000 Because do people want to see those movies the same way they wanted to see those movies when she was smashing Alexis Davis and armbarring Misha Tate, knocking out Betch Cohea?

01:00:28.000 Is there that same draw?

01:00:30.000 Well, I'll say this.

01:00:32.000 I don't think people are going to Rhonda movies because she's a phenomenal actress. 1.00

01:00:36.000 Does that make sense?

01:00:37.000 Like, I'm not going to see Ronda's movies.

01:00:38.000 You gotta see her.

01:00:39.000 You gotta see her act in this.

01:00:40.000 She is amazing.

01:00:42.000 She is...

01:00:42.000 Right, well, you go to see her because she's supposedly the baddest woman on the planet.

01:00:47.000 Yes.

01:00:48.000 Now, Holly Holm...

01:00:49.000 Shut her down. 0.99

01:00:50.000 Yes.

01:00:51.000 So now Holly is thought to be the baddest woman on the planet. 1.00

01:00:53.000 Correct.

01:00:54.000 Right?

01:00:54.000 Correct.

01:00:54.000 Unless she fights Cyborg, if they figure out a catch weight fight, you know, in MMA, that's really the big scary fight for her.

01:01:01.000 For sure.

01:01:02.000 You know, and she said she would fight her.

01:01:03.000 Yeah, I know.

01:01:04.000 She's fought at 152 in boxing.

01:01:07.000 You know, Holly Holm, she's gangster. 1.00

01:01:10.000 But, I mean, I think, other than that, what would you do if you were the promoter?

01:01:16.000 Let me ask you this.

01:01:17.000 What would you do?

01:01:17.000 If I'm Dana White?

01:01:18.000 Yes.

01:01:19.000 Scrooge McDuck?

01:01:20.000 What do you do?

01:01:21.000 If I'm Scrooge McDuck, Dana White?

01:01:24.000 Well, I fire Reebok right now.

01:01:26.000 By the way, I say Scrooge McDuck like three or four times a week now, strictly because of you.

01:01:32.000 Yes!

01:01:34.000 He sent me this text the other day with a picture of Scrooge McDuck sitting on a pile of gold, and I was just laughing.

01:01:40.000 I love that character.

01:01:43.000 If I'm Dana White, I... I'd do exactly what he's doing.

01:01:49.000 Would you?

01:01:51.000 What about the long game?

01:01:55.000 How much money do you need in the bank before you start looking at the long game?

01:01:59.000 Well, your cash cow is Ronda Rousey, right?

01:02:01.000 That's right.

01:02:03.000 But how much does that cash cow work? 1.00

01:02:05.000 I'm with you.

01:02:06.000 Is he so close to Ronda?

01:02:07.000 Is he one of these guys saying, oh, you just need to fight her again, get healthy, and you're going to beat her?

01:02:12.000 And then he's thinking the long game there, and then the third fight's going to be even bigger.

01:02:15.000 Well, it could be that he has 100% faith in her, and he thinks that if Ronda cuts the distractions out of her life, comes back in focused...

01:02:24.000 And attacks and does the fight the correct way that she'll win. 1.00

01:02:28.000 He could think that.

01:02:30.000 And I think that's a bad way to think.

01:02:32.000 I think then you need to jump in line and you're a yes man.

01:02:34.000 Because someone needs to sit her down and be like, listen, I just think we need to work on some things.

01:02:39.000 That should be the plan.

01:02:41.000 Here's the other thing.

01:02:43.000 There's no evidence of that.

01:02:46.000 If you're gonna look at a fight, and you're gonna look at a result, and you're gonna assess what went wrong, what went right, what could be changed, what could be different, there's no evidence that she could have done it better.

01:02:59.000 What I mean is not that she couldn't have fought better.

01:03:02.000 What I mean is that we don't have any evidence.

01:03:04.000 Our only evidence is Rhonda's past fights and Holly's past fights.

01:03:09.000 It's all we can go off of.

01:03:10.000 The evidence of the first fight that they had, it was a domination by Holly.

01:03:14.000 So there's no evidence that Rhonda could have done better. 0.53

01:03:17.000 You have to look at it technically.

01:03:20.000 I agree.

01:03:21.000 You have to look at the attacks, the interactions, the exchanges, right?

01:03:25.000 So they have these exchanges inside the octagon.

01:03:28.000 And in those exchanges, Holly had all the answers.

01:03:31.000 She had all the answers and she had the right strategy and the right movements.

01:03:34.000 And you saw her reacting to things that she knew were going to take place.

01:03:38.000 The left hand goes for the clinch.

01:03:40.000 She's moving it away.

01:03:42.000 She's landing counter shots. 0.99

01:03:43.000 She lands that beautiful counter straight left. 1.00

01:03:46.000 She's throwing that oblique kick. 1.00

01:03:49.000 She's attacking the knee and the thigh with that oblique kick. 1.00

01:03:53.000 She does that thing fast, too. 1.00

01:03:55.000 And she's very agile.

01:03:57.000 True.

01:03:58.000 So you look at that, and you look at these interactions, you go, well, there's a lot of work to be done here.

01:04:03.000 This is not just a simple matter of someone being tired.

01:04:07.000 You have to solve all...

01:04:09.000 There's technical issues.

01:04:10.000 Yes, giant technical issues.

01:04:12.000 So do you just chalk it up to, you know what, we just need to get you healthy because you just got to do what you do, she does what she do, and hopefully it's good enough.

01:04:19.000 If not, either way, it's a big payday.

01:04:21.000 I think you give her time.

01:04:22.000 I think you have to give her time.

01:04:24.000 Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez.

01:04:27.000 That's a mouthful when you got butter coffee in your face.

01:04:30.000 Yeah, it's tough.

01:04:30.000 Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out Manny Pacquiao and Freddie Roach says to him, you can't fight for a year.

01:04:36.000 We're not doing nothing for a year.

01:04:38.000 I want you to rest up because it was a brutal knockout.

01:04:40.000 I like that.

01:04:40.000 It is.

01:04:40.000 Well, look at Freddie Roach.

01:04:42.000 Freddie Roach has trauma-related Parkinson's from his career in boxing.

01:04:46.000 I think what he did is smart, it's ethical, it's intelligent, and it's correct.

01:04:51.000 And he did it because he's a guy who's experienced the effects of not doing that, of being rattled inside the cage, and he did it because he wanted the best result for Manny.

01:05:00.000 So Manny comes back a year later, doesn't look like he's had any ill effects because of that knockout.

01:05:05.000 He looked great.

01:05:05.000 Because he fully healed.

01:05:07.000 Now, how many guys have we seen come back like Anderson Silva?

01:05:10.000 Gets knocked out by Chris Weidman, just brutally knocked out.

01:05:13.000 Comes back and in the second fight gets dropped in the first round from a punch in the clinch.

01:05:18.000 Which, you know, probably wouldn't have dropped him a few years ago.

01:05:22.000 Look at Lyoto Machida.

01:05:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:05:24.000 You get to a certain point where you've taken enough damage where if you don't allow your body to fully recover from that damage, you're gonna have a diminished ability to absorb punishment.

01:05:34.000 I'll tell you this, man, I don't envy Dana White.

01:05:37.000 I don't either.

01:05:38.000 He doesn't have time to have a perspective like you and I do either. 0.99

01:05:44.000 You gotta realize this fucking guy is 24-7 making calls, setting up meetings, doing this, flying here, doing this, press conference and that and this thing and that thing. 0.99

01:05:54.000 Dana White's life is fucking overwhelming. 1.00

01:05:56.000 For him it's also a business too. 0.99

01:05:58.000 Yes.

01:05:59.000 You and I are not trying to make money.

01:06:01.000 We're looking at it in terms of like, okay, what do you think is, if you had to move all the pieces on the board in order to achieve checkmate, in order to achieve the best result, what's the move?

01:06:11.000 What's the move?

01:06:12.000 Do you just go all in, you know?

01:06:14.000 I don't think you do.

01:06:16.000 I don't think you do.

01:06:17.000 I think you have to be real careful, also you have to be real careful, You have a big superstar, right, like Rhonda, and your big superstar gets flatlined.

01:06:26.000 Okay, that is probably the worst result. 0.80

01:06:28.000 If you want women to get into MMA, you want women to, like, come up, like, you know, we want to have a lot more people that are really into fighting, a lot more women that are into it, and then you watch the number one woman get just fucking blasted into the middle of the universe. 0.95

01:06:41.000 Not good for business. 0.87

01:06:43.000 Yeah.

01:06:43.000 Like Michael Chevelle says, astral traveling.

01:06:46.000 That's what he likes to say.

01:06:48.000 I love Chevelle.

01:06:48.000 Me too.

01:06:51.000 If that happens again, and she suffers like serious repercussions, now you've got a real problem with your sport.

01:06:57.000 Well now the story's over, though.

01:06:58.000 Yeah, the story's over?

01:06:59.000 The story's over.

01:07:00.000 Yeah, and you know, and I think the story doesn't have to be over.

01:07:03.000 I think this is obviously, there's some lessons to be learned from that fight, right?

01:07:09.000 Technically, strategy-wise, like when you're chasing after a striker.

01:07:15.000 Sure, in the reaction of the public's eye, absolutely. 0.99

01:07:17.000 But when you're chasing after a striker, that shit is never a good idea, especially if you don't have good head movement. 0.98

01:07:22.000 Chasing a striker like Holly, who's so agile, and you have knee problems, so you're not the most agile, so you've got knee problems. 0.99

01:07:29.000 You've got a girl who does flips at the end of every fight. 1.00

01:07:31.000 At the end of every fight, she stands on her trainer's hands, and Mike Winklejohn flips her through the air, and she goes flying like a fucking acrobat. 1.00

01:07:37.000 It's amazing. 0.98

01:07:37.000 Yeah, and she never misses it. 0.98

01:07:38.000 She nails it.

01:07:40.000 She's amazing.

01:07:40.000 Every time.

01:07:41.000 Amazing.

01:07:41.000 She's an athlete.

01:07:42.000 She's a fucking super athlete just like Rhonda. 1.00

01:07:45.000 I'll go you one better. 1.00

01:07:46.000 She might be a better athlete because if you look at her, she never gets out of shape. 1.00

01:07:49.000 She's totally ripped. 1.00

01:07:51.000 She's like her body is optimized, right?

01:07:54.000 If you want to look at someone whose body's optimized, you would say, well, here's a girl who has a minimal amount of body fat. 1.00

01:08:01.000 She's got a good amount of muscle. 1.00

01:08:03.000 Like you could tell she works hard and Is in phenomenal shape.

01:08:07.000 The two of them fight, and in the first round, Rhonda comes back exhausted. 1.00

01:08:11.000 Holly's not.

01:08:12.000 They both fought the same round.

01:08:15.000 Rhonda is exhausted. 0.54

01:08:17.000 Holly's not.

01:08:18.000 Is it because of the punishment she took?

01:08:19.000 That probably had something to do with it.

01:08:21.000 It's also the way she fights, too.

01:08:22.000 It's also the way she fights. 0.99

01:08:23.000 Yes.

01:08:23.000 But that's a part of being an athlete.

01:08:25.000 I agree.

01:08:25.000 Part of being an athlete is making smart choices.

01:08:28.000 I agree.

01:08:28.000 Especially a combat sports athlete.

01:08:30.000 Making smart choices and adjusting.

01:08:32.000 It's life and death.

01:08:33.000 Yes.

01:08:33.000 And adjusting.

01:08:34.000 No win or lose, not lose.

01:08:35.000 Yeah.

01:08:36.000 Adjusting mid-fight is critical.

01:08:39.000 And having off-speed, different rhythms to rely upon.

01:08:43.000 But Ronda's never had to make those adjustments.

01:08:46.000 Exactly.

01:08:47.000 And then you're trying to make them with a superior athlete.

01:08:49.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:08:50.000 And then you're like, ah, fuck. 1.00

01:08:51.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:08:52.000 You know, I had a buddy who wanted to do MMA and he's a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt and he was doing very minimal striking training and we talked about it and I said, look dude, do you know like what you can do to a white belt? 0.91

01:09:04.000 You know that feeling where you get in there and you roll with a guy and he's a white belt and you just fucking strangle him, just wrap him up, strangle him, you do whatever you want? 1.00

01:09:11.000 Somebody's gonna do that to you with kickboxing. 0.92

01:09:13.000 And it ain't fun.

01:09:13.000 There's no tapping out.

01:09:14.000 It's not fun at all.

01:09:15.000 And you can't think that it's...

01:09:17.000 They don't know.

01:09:18.000 Because even though kickboxing, I don't think there's the same broadness that there is in jiu-jitsu, where I think jiu-jitsu is almost like never-ending as far as techniques.

01:09:29.000 Yes.

01:09:29.000 But...

01:09:30.000 Kickboxing has so much depth like real high-level kickboxing has so much depth and there's so much there's so much so many variables with guys who are really good who have like very specific like styles and way to draw you in and they set traps for you and you think They're doing this and they're doing that and they're setting up kicks with punches and punches with kicks and they're trapping you and kneeing you and elbowing you in the face.

01:09:56.000 There's so much going on, man, that if you think that you're just going to go in there with some bullshit guy who holds the pads and uses those pool floaties and taps your gloves. 1.00

01:10:07.000 You're an idiot. 1.00

01:10:07.000 Or you just have no idea what you're getting into, which is very unsafe. 1.00

01:10:11.000 Very unsafe.

01:10:12.000 So you better be one of two things. 0.99

01:10:13.000 You better be some fucking stud, Phil Davis-type, all-American wrestler who could just pretty much take down anybody in the division so you get to dictate where the fight takes place. 0.99

01:10:23.000 Or don't fight that guy! 0.99

01:10:25.000 Learn how to fucking kickbox first, man. 1.00

01:10:28.000 You're gonna get shinned. 1.00

01:10:29.000 And you get shinned in the head that is one of the worst results you could ever have in MMA. Ever.

01:10:33.000 If somebody arm bars you, you tap.

01:10:35.000 If somebody chokes you out, you wake up.

01:10:37.000 You wake up and you go, what happened?

01:10:39.000 And you're okay. 1.00

01:10:40.000 You get fucking Gonzaga'd in the head. 1.00

01:10:43.000 Like Gabriel Gonzaga knocked out Cro Cop or Cro Cop knocked out Vanderlei. 1.00

01:10:47.000 Jesus!

01:10:48.000 Dude, you know Cro Cop? 0.64

01:10:49.000 I mean, you know Gonzaga's fighting, I think, tonight or tomorrow night.

01:10:52.000 He's on this car.

01:10:53.000 Did you know that?

01:10:54.000 I had no idea.

01:10:55.000 I had no idea.

01:10:56.000 I had no idea.

01:10:56.000 Who's he fighting?

01:10:57.000 He's fighting some Russian cat.

01:11:00.000 Yeah, he's on the undercard.

01:11:02.000 How crazy is that? 1.00

01:11:03.000 I was going through the fight card, I'm like, oh shit, Gonzaga's doing the damn thing. 1.00

01:11:07.000 Is it tonight? 0.99

01:11:08.000 Is he fighting tonight?

01:11:09.000 He's on fight pass?

01:11:10.000 Jesus Christ.

01:11:12.000 Where is it?

01:11:13.000 I don't see it.

01:11:15.000 I don't see it on the schedule.

01:11:17.000 Oh, that's tomorrow night.

01:11:18.000 Oh, it's tomorrow night.

01:11:19.000 Okay.

01:11:20.000 Surprising, though, right?

01:11:21.000 I had no idea.

01:11:22.000 Hey, 35 fights in three days.

01:11:24.000 What is going on with that?

01:11:25.000 What's the idea behind that?

01:11:27.000 I should probably ask.

01:11:29.000 I feel like you'd know more than I would.

01:11:30.000 I should know more than you.

01:11:32.000 What's wrong with me?

01:11:32.000 I don't know.

01:11:33.000 For sure just text Dana.

01:11:34.000 He's not going to return my text.

01:11:37.000 He would return your text.

01:11:39.000 Not if I was like, hey, man. 0.99

01:11:40.000 What the fuck are you guys doing? 0.99

01:11:42.000 What's up with 35 fights, bro? 1.00

01:11:43.000 Why are you guys fucking up so hard? 0.98

01:11:46.000 But I think it's amazing. 0.99

01:11:47.000 It's a Christmas weekend for fighters, or for fans.

01:11:50.000 It's phenomenal.

01:11:51.000 But nothing matters except for UFC 194. Konstantini Rokin.

01:11:56.000 Yeah, okay, that guy's a beast. 0.99

01:11:57.000 A big, fucking tough Russian guy. 1.00

01:12:00.000 That's an interesting fight, man. 0.99

01:12:01.000 Yeah, Gonzaga, man.

01:12:03.000 He was so scary when he was at Gonzaga.

01:12:07.000 I wonder who he's trying to do now.

01:12:08.000 I wonder if he's just making a living, or if he wants to reassess.

01:12:13.000 I mean, how old is he now?

01:12:17.000 I mean, a guy like Gonzaga, though, like...

01:12:22.000 I gotta say he's 35 or 36, right?

01:12:25.000 This sucks to say, but it's like, he's never gonna be champion.

01:12:29.000 That's not happening. 0.91

01:12:32.000 And you can say, well, that's not necessarily true, because look at...

01:12:35.000 What are you gonna say?

01:12:36.000 Mark Hunt?

01:12:37.000 Something like that?

01:12:38.000 It's just tough, man.

01:12:40.000 He's gonna have a hard time, for sure.

01:12:42.000 Mm-hmm.

01:12:44.000 Your boy, Mitrione, looked really good against him.

01:12:46.000 He looked great.

01:12:47.000 Mitrione's fast.

01:12:48.000 And that's the thing, like, Gonzaga, when he gets on the scale, you know, and Gonzaga steps on the platform when he weighs in, it's almost like he's made out of rock.

01:12:56.000 He's so dense.

01:12:57.000 He's in the way he moves, like, thump, thump, thump, thump.

01:13:01.000 Like, even Brock Lesnar didn't make that kind of noise when he got onto the scale.

01:13:04.000 Gonzaga's so dense.

01:13:05.000 Before I fought him in Anaheim, uh...

01:13:09.000 I remember walking by him, and we were actually supposed to get on the fire's bus.

01:13:12.000 I see him in Starbucks eating two glazed donuts. 0.99

01:13:15.000 I was like, God damn. 1.00

01:13:17.000 In my mind, I was like, God damn, that's gangster. 1.00

01:13:19.000 He didn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:13:20.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:13:22.000 Look at that guy. 0.99

01:13:23.000 It's not the right way to approach it, but respect. 1.00

01:13:25.000 Fuck it. 1.00

01:13:26.000 That Shane Carwin fight? 1.00

01:13:27.000 Remember that fight?

01:13:28.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:13:29.000 He was kind of whooping Shane's ass and Shane said, cool story! 1.00

01:13:32.000 He caught Shane and had him hurt and he moved in for the kill. 1.00

01:13:35.000 Took him down.

01:13:36.000 Took Shane down. 1.00

01:13:37.000 I was like, oh shit. 1.00

01:13:38.000 Then Shane got up and just threw like this half-ass, kind of just like a flick of the wrist, just a little and knocked him out. 0.99

01:13:44.000 Well, he threw a right hand.

01:13:46.000 It was just a little like a...

01:13:47.000 Like a six inch right hand. 0.99

01:13:48.000 Shane hit so fucking hard. 0.99

01:13:50.000 Oh my god. 0.98

01:13:51.000 He hit so fucking hard. 0.92

01:13:53.000 Yeah, there's like, there's gonna be a wave of those guys, man. 0.96

01:13:57.000 It's gonna take a few years maybe, you know, these elite wrestlers that are coming up that are learning how to strike when they're in high school, you know, and they're competing as wrestlers, and they're gonna make it into the UFC in the next couple of years, especially as the money gets bigger.

01:14:11.000 Like, there's no...

01:14:12.000 The money has to get bigger.

01:14:13.000 You know, there's no doubt that Fabricio Verdum is like a super talented, super skillful guy, but the public's consciousness and the awareness of him is not nearly as high as it was when Kane beat Brock Lesnar.

01:14:25.000 That was the height of the heavyweight division, right?

01:14:27.000 Wouldn't you say?

01:14:28.000 And I think it's mainly due because of Brock.

01:14:31.000 Because Kane Jr. Dos Santos, that was awesome.

01:14:34.000 Two superior athletes going on it, but still not the same because of Brock.

01:14:38.000 Yeah, Brock brought some new element.

01:14:41.000 You know, he brought the world wrestling entertainment people.

01:14:45.000 But I think in order to get those big boys, those freak athletes involved, the money would have to be higher.

01:14:51.000 Gotta come up.

01:14:52.000 Have to.

01:14:52.000 You gotta get those football guys who are, you know, interested in giving it a shot.

01:14:55.000 You know, I have a kid on the way, and if he's anything like Brock Lesnar, that little bastard's not fighting, you better go get that money in baseball or NFL. Yeah.

01:15:04.000 Would you worry about NFL with head collisions and all that shit? 0.96

01:15:07.000 Not as much, because the juice is worth the squeeze, not as much as fighting. 0.95

01:15:11.000 Because fighting, I mean, like, I retired, I got an Instagram post that said, hey man, congrats, and then like an email. 0.97

01:15:19.000 You know, you retire in the NFL, you retire in the NFL, you know, you got some shit coming your way. 0.96

01:15:25.000 So it's just different. 0.97

01:15:26.000 Even if you only had like a couple years in?

01:15:28.000 If you have three and a half years or more, you get a stipend every month, you have health insurance.

01:15:33.000 Really?

01:15:33.000 Yeah, you're pretty taken care of.

01:15:35.000 Wow, that's nice.

01:15:36.000 To a certain degree how much you played.

01:15:39.000 That's nice.

01:15:39.000 Yeah.

01:15:40.000 Yeah, that would be ideal if fighters knew.

01:15:44.000 You think so?

01:15:44.000 The UFC would get there.

01:15:45.000 They have to.

01:15:46.000 They have to.

01:15:47.000 You think so?

01:15:48.000 And they know that, yeah.

01:15:48.000 They know that.

01:15:50.000 And this isn't a knock on Dana White or Lorenzo or anything like that.

01:15:53.000 We're just in the, we basically have leather helmets on right now.

01:15:56.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:15:56.000 If you go back, if you commit to the NFL, they're going to get there.

01:15:59.000 They take all this heat and even I give them shit, but it's so new, man. 0.98

01:16:03.000 They're trying their best. 0.99

01:16:04.000 This stuff does not happen overnight.

01:16:06.000 Don't you think it almost has to pass through a few generations?

01:16:09.000 Maybe, what is this sport going to be like 50 years from now when Dana's not around anymore?

01:16:13.000 I mean, when we're not around anymore, what is this sport going to be like then?

01:16:16.000 Maybe, when you look back at football, football's been around a long fucking time. 0.92

01:16:21.000 A long fucking time, and it's slowly gotten to this point. 0.98

01:16:25.000 I think... 0.98

01:16:26.000 What MMA really needs right now is competition.

01:16:29.000 They need a lot of competition.

01:16:31.000 And Bellator is just...

01:16:33.000 You're not going to get there with Dada 5000 and Kimbo Slice. 0.51

01:16:36.000 You're just not.

01:16:37.000 It's a good fight.

01:16:38.000 It'll be fun to watch, I'm sure.

01:16:40.000 Hoist Gracie versus Ken Shamrock 3...

01:16:43.000 Look, they're legends.

01:16:44.000 They deserve to fight if they want to fight.

01:16:48.000 They have earned it.

01:16:48.000 And I know that's something that Ken has alluded to.

01:16:50.000 He said, you know, he earned his right to compete.

01:16:54.000 I agree.

01:16:55.000 Absolutely.

01:16:55.000 100%.

01:16:56.000 So does Hoyce.

01:16:57.000 Absolutely.

01:16:57.000 100%.

01:16:58.000 They deserve their right to compete.

01:16:59.000 But it's not the same as the UFC right now.

01:17:04.000 And until it becomes...

01:17:05.000 Until someone comes along...

01:17:08.000 Like, Strikeforce kind of almost had it.

01:17:10.000 You know, they were close. 0.99

01:17:12.000 Before Strikeforce was owned by the UFC, Fader was fighting Brett Rogers, and you know, there was some shit going on. 0.99

01:17:17.000 Yeah! 0.98

01:17:19.000 They were doing well. 1.00

01:17:19.000 There was some shit going on. 1.00

01:17:20.000 It was like, whoa, this is pretty goddamn good. 1.00

01:17:22.000 It was pretty goddamn good. 0.60

01:17:23.000 See, I think the UFC to get there, we just need time on our side. 0.94

01:17:28.000 The struggle they're going to have is, you know, the NFL's dealing with a little bit now with the concussion stuff.

01:17:34.000 I think when MMA down the road, we're going to see the concussion.

01:17:37.000 It's really, then people are like, dude, what are we doing?

01:17:39.000 And the pay's nowhere near.

01:17:40.000 So when I say the NFL's worth the squeeze, it's because you're taking care of compensation-wise. 0.99

01:17:45.000 So yeah, you're going to have some fucked up knees and your brain's going to be oatmeal. 0.94

01:17:48.000 But in the UFC, I mean, man, like I said, you get an email and a repost on Instagram. 0.99

01:18:07.000 100% Joe. 0.68

01:18:10.000 I mean, what if this fight takes place, and in the first round, Holly just fucking slams a shin right into Ronda's jaw, and she stiffens up and just falls straight back like Terry Edom? 0.99

01:18:22.000 Remember when Terry Edom caught him with that wheel kick? 0.92

01:18:25.000 And he just stiffened and fell straight back?

01:18:27.000 Bang! 1.00

01:18:28.000 The probabilities that happen are very high.

01:18:30.000 Very high.

01:18:31.000 Well, this is what you have to realize if you've never been hit before.

01:18:34.000 When you get knocked out like that, you can't get hit for a long time.

01:18:39.000 It's not the same.

01:18:40.000 It takes a while before you build back the resistance to get to the point where you have a baseline.

01:18:46.000 Your baseline is like how you are right now.

01:18:48.000 If you get hit right now, like, wow, that would hurt, but...

01:18:51.000 You'd be able to absorb a much better shot than if you had just gotten a concussion.

01:18:56.000 If you had just gotten a concussion recently, and then you get hit again, your brain's like, what the f-?

01:19:00.000 And we've seen it.

01:19:01.000 We've seen so many guys get knocked out and then come back.

01:19:04.000 A lot of times it happens, I'm going to cut you off, but a lot of times it happens in camp. 0.96

01:19:08.000 Like before I fought Rothwell, like weeks before, Carwin fucked me up, man.

01:19:14.000 If I was knowledgeable how I am now, I'd be like, dude, I don't know if I should fight. 0.91

01:19:19.000 This is not good.

01:19:20.000 But my, you know, back in the day, you know, this is whatever, three, four years ago, they're like, just no more sparring, you'll rest.

01:19:26.000 Well, it's two weeks before the fight.

01:19:28.000 That's really not enough time.

01:19:29.000 It's not enough for a concussion.

01:19:30.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a decent shot, but, you know, I've had way worse, and he clips me, and it's, you know, it's tough, man.

01:19:34.000 Yeah, it just shut you off.

01:19:36.000 Yeah, well, Joe Duffy, how about that?

01:19:38.000 A week before he was supposed to fight Dustin Poirier, he gets knocked out in camp.

01:19:41.000 He gets a concussion.

01:19:43.000 And they have to pull him out, you know?

01:19:45.000 See, that's why whenever MMA math, people try saying, well, Rockhold, Machida, Machida Weidman, MMA math does not work for me.

01:19:54.000 Because I know Machida was not ready to fight when he fought Rockhold.

01:19:57.000 I was in his camp.

01:19:58.000 We were like, dude, this is not the Machida we know.

01:20:00.000 So he goes in and destroys him, gets clipped, you know, it's a different Machida.

01:20:04.000 So that doesn't work for me.

01:20:05.000 So what was wrong with Machida?

01:20:07.000 He just needed time off.

01:20:08.000 His biggest issue is he'll go right back to sparring.

01:20:12.000 We're not talking like light sparring and hitting mitts.

01:20:15.000 He goes right back to the dog days of sparring as soon as he's done.

01:20:19.000 So, you know, he was getting clipped, he was having just a rough time, and he just wasn't ready to take that fight.

01:20:25.000 So you were watching him train, and you knew that something was up?

01:20:27.000 I think everyone did.

01:20:29.000 Really?

01:20:29.000 Yeah.

01:20:30.000 And so now, you know, everyone's like, dude, you need a break.

01:20:32.000 So he's taking a long time off.

01:20:35.000 He fought Munoz, where was that?

01:20:37.000 In England?

01:20:38.000 Is that where it was?

01:20:40.000 His first fight at 185?

01:20:41.000 When he head kicked him.

01:20:43.000 Yeah, he looked sensational.

01:20:44.000 They were training together, too.

01:20:46.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:20:46.000 Yeah.

01:20:47.000 Yeah, because we were all training together and then Mina was like, dude, I gotta fight Machida and everyone was kind of like, ooh, fuck. 1.00

01:20:54.000 But if you watch him from that fight to like the Machida you see now, it's like, man, a little shopworn. 0.96

01:21:00.000 He's had some tough fights.

01:21:01.000 The old Romero fight.

01:21:02.000 But that happens.

01:21:02.000 Yep.

01:21:03.000 That happens, man.

01:21:04.000 Yeah.

01:21:04.000 That happens.

01:21:05.000 And like...

01:21:06.000 Like, I think it happened with Klitschko.

01:21:08.000 I hate going back to boxing.

01:21:09.000 I think it just, whatever reason it happens that, it's a certain fight where you're like, oh my god, it's not the same guy. 1.00

01:21:15.000 Oh, fuck, man. 0.97

01:21:16.000 And is it, you know, Jose Al has been undefeated for 10 years. 1.00

01:21:20.000 He's been through the ringer.

01:21:21.000 He's fought the best of the best.

01:21:22.000 To me, he's number one pound for pound.

01:21:24.000 There's no one better.

01:21:24.000 You look at his resume.

01:21:25.000 To me, he's number fucking one. 0.95

01:21:27.000 Now, it's Saturday night, the time where we see him, it's like, oh, it's not the same Jose we've seen. 0.97

01:21:32.000 There's going to come a day, there's going to be a fight.

01:21:36.000 Unless he retires.

01:21:37.000 See, I think that he is definitely one of the all-time greats, and I think he's definitely one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, but he doesn't fight The same sort of dominance that Mighty Mouse does.

01:21:52.000 He'll beat Uriah Faber down.

01:21:54.000 He crushed his leg and beat him down and knocked out Chad Mendes in their first fight.

01:21:59.000 But if you look at the Ricardo Lamas fight, Lamas had him on his back in the fifth round.

01:22:04.000 He's beaten on him.

01:22:04.000 So did Hominick.

01:22:05.000 Yeah, so did Hominick.

01:22:06.000 He fades towards the end. 0.87

01:22:08.000 And if you look at the fight with Chad Mendes, that was a fucking very, very close fight, that second fight. 0.79

01:22:13.000 Phenomenal fight. 0.91

01:22:13.000 Very close fight. 0.91

01:22:14.000 I think 45 is more stacked than Mighty Mouse.

01:22:17.000 Mmm, maybe.

01:22:18.000 I think he's more stacked.

01:22:19.000 So he's fighting tougher competition.

01:22:20.000 That's certainly a good argument.

01:22:22.000 However, John Dodson knocked out TJ Dillashaw at 135. He's a fucking monster. 1.00

01:22:28.000 He's fast as shit. 1.00

01:22:29.000 Super athletic and dangerous as fucking. 1.00

01:22:32.000 Mighty Mouse just shut him down. 1.00

01:22:33.000 I agree.

01:22:34.000 I just think over 10 years and he's fought the who's who and beat them.

01:22:38.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:22:39.000 It's such a subjective title.

01:22:41.000 If you want to talk about pound for pound, who's going to rip everyone's face off is Jon Jones.

01:22:46.000 There's no one better than Jon Jones to ever enter the octagon. 0.99

01:22:48.000 He's literally going to grab everyone and rip their freaking face off if he wanted to. 0.98

01:22:52.000 So that's pound for pound. 0.98

01:22:53.000 You think he's going to fight heavyweight now?

01:22:54.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:22:55.000 He's going to go in there, he's going to fight DC, and he's like, cool, let's fight heavyweight.

01:22:59.000 Yeah.

01:23:01.000 Wow.

01:23:02.000 He's so jacked.

01:23:03.000 What are we doing? 0.98

01:23:04.000 He's so jacked. 1.00

01:23:06.000 Like has his shit together. 0.99

01:23:07.000 You know, that happens to people when they become like real technical and they're, you know, they're strong but in a grappling sense and then they start lifting weights. 0.99

01:23:16.000 Because now they have all this ability to do things from technique that's backed up by all this horsepower.

01:23:22.000 Eddie Bravo's game changed so hard when he started lifting weights.

01:23:28.000 There's Eddie Bravo pre-weights and there's Eddie Bravo post-weights.

01:23:32.000 And they're totally different guys.

01:23:34.000 He was just a small guy who had really good technique.

01:23:38.000 And then he got to the point where he was lifting weights like a couple days a week, steady, for years.

01:23:44.000 He wouldn't stop.

01:23:45.000 He's just like, I gotta get stronger.

01:23:47.000 He's like, I'm just battling in the gym constantly with these guys who are bigger and stronger than me.

01:23:52.000 And then as soon as he started putting mass on, and he started getting really strong to go with that technique, he was just smashing people.

01:23:59.000 Different animal.

01:23:59.000 See, Shinkawa and myself, we're a little different.

01:24:01.000 We spent too much time in the weight room when we should have been doing technique.

01:24:04.000 Right.

01:24:04.000 Like, we're in the weight room, like, spotting each other on the bench.

01:24:06.000 I'm like, God, I feel like we should work on punching and kicking.

01:24:10.000 He's like, you think? 1.00

01:24:11.000 I'm like, well, you're huge as fuck as it is. 0.99

01:24:13.000 I don't think we're going to get any better squatting all the time. 0.99

01:24:15.000 Especially if you fight a guy like Junior Dos Santos.

01:24:18.000 Like, Junior couldn't lift nearly as much as Shane, but when they got in the cage together, Junior was lighting him up because of just boxing technique.

01:24:25.000 Lighting him up, yeah.

01:24:25.000 That's where technique comes into play.

01:24:27.000 That's what it is.

01:24:27.000 It's about getting hit.

01:24:28.000 You want to talk about a fight that should have happened years ago?

01:24:30.000 Dos Santos over him.

01:24:32.000 Next week.

01:24:33.000 What do you think about that fight?

01:24:35.000 I mean, Dos Santos is with a new camp, with ATT, so I think that's good.

01:24:40.000 This fight should have happened a year or two ago.

01:24:42.000 I don't think Junior's ever the same.

01:24:44.000 I think after those two Kane losses and then after that Stipe fight, I mean, what?

01:24:49.000 You want to talk about Miles?

01:24:50.000 Brutal fight.

01:24:51.000 So I don't know, man.

01:24:52.000 Yeah.

01:24:53.000 And then with Overeem with this new drug testing, I mean, what are we going to get?

01:24:56.000 We're going to get the 205 Overeem?

01:24:57.000 What's he going to look like?

01:24:58.000 Right.

01:24:59.000 There's a lot of variables, man.

01:25:01.000 A lot of variables.

01:25:02.000 A lot of variables, Doug.

01:25:03.000 Same with Jose Aldo.

01:25:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:06.000 Yeah.

01:25:07.000 Yeah, you're making the...

01:25:09.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:25:09.000 He might be on steroids face.

01:25:10.000 Well, I'm just saying...

01:25:11.000 Might have been.

01:25:12.000 Maybe he's not, but let's...

01:25:13.000 That's the face you're making, though. 1.00

01:25:15.000 He might have been on some shit. 0.99

01:25:16.000 Let's say he's not, right? 1.00

01:25:19.000 No, let's say he is, but then the strict drug testing comes into play.

01:25:23.000 We're talking about a different animal, man.

01:25:25.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:25.000 Completely different animal.

01:25:27.000 Not the same guy.

01:25:28.000 That's an X factor for me.

01:25:29.000 That's a huge X factor.

01:25:30.000 It has to be.

01:25:31.000 But we don't know.

01:25:32.000 We don't know what he was doing and what he wasn't doing.

01:25:34.000 All speculation.

01:25:34.000 100%.

01:25:35.000 I have no idea.

01:25:36.000 Because he never got tested positive for anything.

01:25:38.000 Never.

01:25:39.000 And he's an absolute animal.

01:25:41.000 I could say that for anyone.

01:25:43.000 You go through UFC 194, you say that for a lot of guys.

01:25:46.000 It's an X factor.

01:25:49.000 Yeah.

01:25:50.000 That's interesting, man.

01:25:52.000 We can't know.

01:25:53.000 You know, we can't know who was on water, who was on something and got caught.

01:25:58.000 There's no way unless people get caught.

01:26:00.000 Yeah, when you get caught, you know, they always say, oh, you know, I didn't know.

01:26:04.000 Someone gave me this diet.

01:26:05.000 Has there ever been a guy who someone actually did give, they gave him a protein shake and he drank it?

01:26:10.000 And they're like, oh, yo, dog, I forgot to tell you steroids and that.

01:26:13.000 I didn't have it. 1.00

01:26:14.000 Motherfucker, I thought this was chocolate weight. 1.00

01:26:16.000 Nah. 1.00

01:26:17.000 Nah, man, I put steroids in it.

01:26:20.000 Hey, real quick, just for all the listeners out there, that's never happened.

01:26:23.000 I think it's got to have happened once. 1.00

01:26:24.000 People are idiots. 1.00

01:26:25.000 There's a lot of idiots in the gym. 1.00

01:26:26.000 And then they test positive? 1.00

01:26:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:26:27.000 I like that.

01:26:28.000 He's like, I didn't even know what I was taking. 1.00

01:26:29.000 This guy was just giving me injects in my ass. 1.00

01:26:30.000 He told me his vitamin C. It is possible that if you were at a bad gym, and you're hanging around with a bunch of fucking morons, and they want you to fail, and there's dudes that are doing juice, they'll put some juice in your protein drink. 1.00

01:26:42.000 Here's the solution. 0.99

01:26:43.000 Don't let anybody mix your protein drinks. 1.00

01:26:44.000 Fuck no. 1.00

01:26:45.000 Especially some asshole who doesn't really like you. 1.00

01:26:46.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:26:47.000 Keep it on your shit. 1.00

01:26:49.000 But there has to be a guy out there that actually did have someone drop a steroid in his protein drink, and he pissed positive, and he probably tells everybody, and they're like, yeah, yeah, sure. 1.00

01:26:58.000 He's like, no, fucking it actually did happen! 1.00

01:27:01.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:27:02.000 That would be such a bummer! 1.00

01:27:05.000 Bummer! 0.97

01:27:06.000 I'm surprised you'd be failed the steroid test.

01:27:09.000 You'd be so freaked out like I can't believe that the actual thing that everybody jokes about really did happen to me.

01:27:16.000 It's like actually going into a van that says free candy.

01:27:21.000 Is there a really free chant here?

01:27:22.000 That's a very clunk. 1.00

01:27:23.000 Ow, fuck! 1.00

01:27:24.000 You're that guy. 1.00

01:27:26.000 Beat you over the head. 0.98

01:27:27.000 I'm like, goddammit, how did I fall for that? 0.98

01:27:29.000 This card tomorrow is pretty good.

01:27:32.000 There's a lot of good fights on this card.

01:27:34.000 The card on Saturday is insane.

01:27:36.000 But the one big fight that's on tomorrow, well, there's a couple big fights besides Frankie Edgar and Chad Mendes, but Barboza and Tony Ferguson's son. 1.00

01:27:46.000 That's a motherfucker. 0.98

01:27:48.000 Barboza and Tony Ferguson, son. 1.00

01:27:51.000 I love Ferguson in that fight.

01:27:55.000 That's a crazy fight, dude. 1.00

01:27:56.000 That's a motherfucker. 1.00

01:27:57.000 That is a crazy fight. 1.00

01:27:59.000 I just think it's Ferguson's time, man. 0.99

01:28:01.000 He's so fucking good. 0.99

01:28:02.000 He's dangerous. 1.00

01:28:03.000 Very dangerous.

01:28:04.000 But so is Barboza.

01:28:06.000 I agree.

01:28:07.000 I just feel like Tony just hits like a Mack truck.

01:28:11.000 He does.

01:28:12.000 He does.

01:28:13.000 It's a very interesting fight.

01:28:15.000 Very interesting. 0.99

01:28:17.000 He's gonna have to deal with those fucking leg kicks, though. 1.00

01:28:19.000 Goddamn, Barboza kicks fast. 1.00

01:28:20.000 I don't think it gets out of two rounds. 0.98

01:28:22.000 I think Tony stops him in two.

01:28:23.000 Wow.

01:28:24.000 I know, right?

01:28:24.000 That's how much I believe in Tony.

01:28:26.000 I just think 2016 is kind of the year of Tony Ferguson at that weight.

01:28:30.000 Wow, strong statement.

01:28:32.000 I know, right?

01:28:32.000 Brendan Schaub going out on a limb here.

01:28:34.000 I'll tell you what, man.

01:28:35.000 You're making predictions.

01:28:36.000 Like, you're making a strong prediction.

01:28:39.000 I know. 1.00

01:28:39.000 Sometimes it backfires like a motherfucker. 1.00

01:28:42.000 Ha! 1.00

01:28:44.000 Barbo's a monster. 1.00

01:28:45.000 He is a monster. 0.99

01:28:46.000 That Paul Felder fight, that switch kick that he was landed to Felder's ribs. 0.95

01:28:49.000 I've never seen anything like it.

01:28:50.000 Fastest I've ever seen.

01:28:51.000 I agree.

01:28:51.000 I've never seen anything like it.

01:28:53.000 He was like a 110-pound Thai guy.

01:28:56.000 You know, like you watch those Muay Thai champions, those flyweight dudes that are just like lightning bolts.

01:29:00.000 That's like what kind of speed he was dropping that switch kick in.

01:29:04.000 I remember, like, literally, I had to, like, readjust my metric when I was judging it, like, watching, like, what's a fast kick and what's not a fast kick.

01:29:12.000 His kick was so much faster than anybody else's that I had to readjust, like, what I thought was a fast kick.

01:29:18.000 He's going to land some of those.

01:29:19.000 I just think Tony's going to counter and end the night.

01:29:22.000 Well, Michael Johnson gave him a lot of pressure, and Barboza had a real hard time with that.

01:29:27.000 But...

01:29:28.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe Barboza was traveling back and forth from Florida to New Jersey to train with Mark Henry while that was going on.

01:29:37.000 Now he lives down there.

01:29:39.000 Correct.

01:29:40.000 That'll make a big impact.

01:29:41.000 Different animal.

01:29:41.000 And that's what we saw in the fight with Paul Felder.

01:29:44.000 We saw like the best version of Barboza we've ever seen.

01:29:47.000 The most focused, the fastest, the best prepared.

01:29:52.000 If he's with Mark Henry, I'm telling you, man, I spent maybe four weeks with Mark Henry.

01:29:57.000 I've never seen anything like it.

01:29:59.000 The reason, maybe just because he's Frank Yeager's guy in Edwin Barboza, he doesn't get a lot of notoriety like Frost or Greg Jackson. 0.98

01:30:06.000 I'm telling you, man, it's some other level shit, man. 0.98

01:30:10.000 Really? 0.99

01:30:10.000 I'm telling you, he was like, let me see you move around. 0.99

01:30:14.000 And he had this guy hold mitts for me. 0.99

01:30:16.000 And he filled out a fucking notepad of about six pages long, front and back. 1.00

01:30:20.000 Just all this shit. 1.00

01:30:22.000 And he was obsessed with it. 1.00

01:30:24.000 Texting me.

01:30:26.000 Voicemails where he's like, just listen to him.

01:30:28.000 You don't respond, just listen.

01:30:29.000 And it was all these combos. 1.00

01:30:30.000 I was like, holy fuck. 1.00

01:30:33.000 Wow. 1.00

01:30:34.000 And you see Edwin Barboza and you see frickin' Frankie Edgar, how talented these guys are.

01:30:39.000 And now, Chris Weidman brought Mark Henry in to help with the Rockhold fight.

01:30:44.000 Really?

01:30:45.000 And that was the X Factor for me.

01:30:48.000 That's what pushes you over the top, Weidman over Rockhold?

01:30:50.000 It did, and I thought Rockhold was gonna win earlier in the week.

01:30:55.000 And then I've been listening, and then Mark Henry says he's working with Weidman.

01:30:58.000 I was like, oh, hell no.

01:31:00.000 Really?

01:31:01.000 So it was just Mark Henry coming in as a trainer that made you switch over?

01:31:04.000 I was this close.

01:31:06.000 I was this close to picking Weidman or Rockhold.

01:31:09.000 And then just, I don't know, I'm with Weidman.

01:31:12.000 Wow, that's interesting.

01:31:15.000 That's a pretty serious level of respect for Mark Henry.

01:31:19.000 Dude, I've worked with Feras, and those are the best in the business.

01:31:23.000 Lester Bowling, Greg Jackson, all these phenomenal coaches, Tony Jeffries, all these guys.

01:31:28.000 I've never seen anything like Mark Henry. 1.00

01:31:30.000 As soon as I heard he's on board, I was like, oh, fuck. 0.99

01:31:33.000 You're talking about another level. 0.98

01:31:35.000 What do you think about his style as opposed to the style that Bang is showing TJ Dillashaw, which is a lot of switching of the stances, a lot of variations in the approach and the attack, where you're constantly overloading the mind.

01:31:49.000 You never know what a guy's gonna do.

01:31:51.000 What do you think of that?

01:31:52.000 I think Bang's style works for one guy in the world.

01:31:56.000 For TJ? Yep.

01:31:57.000 What about what it's doing for Danny Castillo?

01:31:59.000 Danny Castillo's looking fantastic.

01:32:01.000 He's not looking like TJ. He looks good.

01:32:03.000 For him, well, first of all, they came in at different levels of striking.

01:32:07.000 I agree.

01:32:07.000 Especially kicking-wise.

01:32:09.000 I agree.

01:32:09.000 He looks better.

01:32:10.000 But I think for that obsessive style and for what TJ does, they're the perfect combo.

01:32:16.000 It does not get any better than that.

01:32:18.000 So you think it's a style-makes-trainer matchup?

01:32:20.000 Yes, 100%.

01:32:22.000 Yes.

01:32:23.000 Try and listen to...

01:32:24.000 Well, you won't be there.

01:32:25.000 They fight on Friday night.

01:32:26.000 You're not doing the fight.

01:32:26.000 But if you can, listen to Mark Henry when he's coaching Frankie Edgar.

01:32:30.000 He has a towel on.

01:32:32.000 He's sweating.

01:32:33.000 And they have different language every time.

01:32:37.000 They have different variables every time.

01:32:38.000 It's never the same.

01:32:39.000 So that nobody can get it?

01:32:40.000 No one can get it.

01:32:41.000 It's literally like a video game.

01:32:43.000 ABBBC, ABBC. And they're doing the thing.

01:32:45.000 It's like a fucking video game. 1.00

01:32:47.000 Wow. 1.00

01:32:47.000 I've never seen anything like it, man. 1.00

01:32:49.000 Wow, very interesting.

01:32:51.000 And see, he's just a striking guy, right?

01:32:54.000 Just striking.

01:32:54.000 So who does the transitions between the striking and the grappling?

01:32:57.000 How do they orchestrate that in the training?

01:32:59.000 Yeah, I know Weidman has his whole camp with Ray Longo and Matt Ser and all that, so they all come together.

01:33:07.000 I've heard stories about Weidman.

01:33:08.000 I don't think people realize how strong Weidman is.

01:33:11.000 I've heard him just molly whopping heavyweights, just destroying dudes.

01:33:16.000 And Weidman, when I break down the tape, he just has this X factor that I don't think Luke has.

01:33:20.000 Granted, Luke's gone five rounds more.

01:33:23.000 A lot of people don't realize that.

01:33:24.000 Luke's gone five rounds in Strikeforce.

01:33:26.000 Jack Ray, Tim Kennedy beat both of them.

01:33:27.000 Great grapplers.

01:33:28.000 But I just think Weidman has this X factor that it's hard to engage.

01:33:33.000 You can't put a number on it, if that makes sense.

01:33:35.000 I know it sounds weird.

01:33:36.000 Rockhold thinks he's gonna be able to stay on the outside and have success the way Anderson did in the first round of the first fight and Vitor did in that opening flurry of the fight that they had.

01:33:47.000 And he thinks he's gonna be able to do some damage there.

01:33:49.000 If you look at that fight, the Vitor fight where Vitor had Weidman stunned, he nailed him a couple times, and then Vitor moved in for the kill, but Vitor just didn't have the stamina.

01:33:58.000 He just couldn't sustain it, and then he didn't have the defense in the ground. 0.96

01:34:02.000 Weidman took him down and just fucked him up. 0.99

01:34:03.000 It was just a beatdown. 1.00

01:34:04.000 As soon as Weidman shot that double, got to hold those legs tight, dropped him down, total control of the ground, and just beat the shit out of him. 0.83

01:34:11.000 I don't think he'll be able to do that the same way to Rockhold.

01:34:15.000 I think Rockhold's going to be a much harder guy to take down, and a much harder guy to keep down.

01:34:19.000 I think Rockhold's got a way better wrestling camp with DC and Kane, and Rockhold's just shown really good takedown defense in the past.

01:34:25.000 I agree.

01:34:26.000 It makes it tricky.

01:34:28.000 I think that fight gets super interesting if Rockhold uses his height and reach in kicking.

01:34:32.000 He's a really good kicker.

01:34:34.000 He keeps it on the outside.

01:34:35.000 Phenomenal left kick. 1.00

01:34:36.000 What is his fucking background besides wrestling? 1.00

01:34:39.000 Surfing. 1.00

01:34:40.000 But where did he learn how to kick like that?

01:34:41.000 He was surfing and he was bullshitting around.

01:34:44.000 I know he did some judo when he was young.

01:34:47.000 Karate background or anything?

01:34:48.000 No, and then walked into AK when he was super young.

01:34:50.000 How old was he?

01:34:51.000 I think 17. Okay, so Javier has been kind of coaching him from the beginning, huh?

01:34:57.000 Yeah, so I mean, Rockhold, I think, will get his kicks off, and to keep that distance, I just feel like...

01:35:05.000 Weidman's going to get him down.

01:35:07.000 And Weidman, this is the X Factor, is Weidman also is a phenomenal grappler, man.

01:35:11.000 He's been training with Marcelo Garcia forever.

01:35:14.000 I mean, he's a stud on the ground.

01:35:16.000 I think AK's overlooking that.

01:35:18.000 I think they're worried about the striking, they're worried about the pressure and all that, and they think Rockhold thinks he's going to take you down and pop up.

01:35:23.000 I get that. 1.00

01:35:24.000 Weidman's a motherfucker down there. 0.99

01:35:26.000 He controlled Vitor Belfar on the ground like you've never seen. 1.00

01:35:29.000 Like a building.

01:35:29.000 Literally.

01:35:30.000 He's so heavy on top, man.

01:35:31.000 Well, Donaher's his guy, too.

01:35:33.000 And Donaher's the master.

01:35:35.000 He's a real wizard.

01:35:37.000 He's so smart, too.

01:35:38.000 He's a guy that when you have that guy in your corner, there's a distinct advantage when it comes to strategy.

01:35:45.000 And if you're training with him on a regular basis, he doesn't make mistakes.

01:35:49.000 He doesn't make mistakes in assessment or execution.

01:35:52.000 He knows what to do and when to do it and how to do it right.

01:35:56.000 He just knows. 1.00

01:35:56.000 He's not weighed down by stupid ideas. 1.00

01:36:00.000 To me, it's the best fight in middleweight history. 0.99

01:36:03.000 Two guys just in their prime, man.

01:36:05.000 I have no idea who's going to win.

01:36:06.000 I can see these guys fighting two or three times, talking about a trilogy.

01:36:09.000 Well, it really all depends on the result of the first fight.

01:36:11.000 A lot of people thought that could have been the case with Vitor and Wyman, but Wyman just smashed him.

01:36:15.000 If Weidman can do that to Rockhold, then the whole game changes.

01:36:19.000 Do you think Weidman needs a breakout performance in order to achieve a higher level of stardom?

01:36:26.000 Something has to happen for people to recognize how great he is.

01:36:29.000 Let's say Weidman goes in there and knocks him out in the first round.

01:36:32.000 But then Conor McGregor goes in and knocks Jose Aldo out in three rounds.

01:36:36.000 We're not talking about Weidman.

01:36:37.000 He gets honey-dicked again.

01:36:39.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:36:40.000 He's honey-dicked again. 0.79

01:36:41.000 My bad, dawg.

01:36:42.000 Maybe next time.

01:36:43.000 Because we're not talking about Weidman.

01:36:45.000 It's true.

01:36:46.000 All we're talking about is Conor Aldo.

01:36:47.000 That's all we're talking about. 0.98

01:36:49.000 And it's all trash talk. 0.99

01:36:50.000 It's the trash talk. 0.93

01:36:52.000 On paper, both of them are equally intriguing. 0.84

01:36:55.000 But the trash talk of Connor has pushed the whole thing way over the top as far as wanting to see it.

01:37:02.000 It's like, ah!

01:37:02.000 But it's kind of calmed down because of the injury and there's been this delay.

01:37:06.000 Because on that world tour, I was like, holy fuck, this is insane. 0.99

01:37:10.000 I think Conor McGregor mindfucked Jose Aldo. 0.99

01:37:13.000 Not really anymore.

01:37:14.000 I don't know about all that.

01:37:15.000 I don't think so anymore.

01:37:16.000 I don't think it's as bad this time.

01:37:17.000 I think it's still in his head.

01:37:19.000 It doesn't matter.

01:37:19.000 We don't know what the reaction to that is going to be.

01:37:22.000 Some guys, the worst shit you can do is get him riled up. 0.99

01:37:25.000 Well, if you look at Jose Aldo's past, any time a guy brings a fight to him, he gets fucked. 1.00

01:37:30.000 If Jose Aldo, if it's super respectful and he gets ahead on you, he coasts. 0.97

01:37:34.000 He takes rounds off, he coasts.

01:37:35.000 We've seen it, man.

01:37:36.000 But I think Conor McGregor, he bit off all he can chew, man.

01:37:39.000 Because Jose Aldo, when you're bringing the fight to him, you get one hell of a Jose Aldo.

01:37:43.000 We look at Mendez-Jose, too.

01:37:45.000 What?

01:37:46.000 To me, that's one of the greatest fights ever.

01:37:48.000 It's going to be interesting to see what approach Aldo takes.

01:37:51.000 Because what if Aldo comes out southpaw? 0.99

01:37:54.000 Then shit gets interesting. 0.99

01:37:56.000 Because one of the benefits that Connor has is that he fights southpaw. 1.00

01:38:00.000 He's got a nasty right hand.

01:38:01.000 True.

01:38:02.000 He throws almost like disdainful half-speed kicks and he uses your positioning and judging you to set up other things.

01:38:08.000 And then he mixes those half-speed kicks up with very fast techniques.

01:38:11.000 Spinning kicks and things along those lines.

01:38:13.000 That front kick to the body.

01:38:15.000 And then he'll throw like a disdainful roundhouse kick, almost like daring you to try to counter it so he can look to drop that left hand in on you. 0.98

01:38:21.000 He does a lot of interesting shit as far as like varying his rhythm and his approach and his movement, his long wide stance, just a lot of shit that's hard to judge.

01:38:31.000 But if Aldo immediately initiates grappling, This is something that I don't think people have been thinking of. 0.97

01:38:40.000 That's exactly what I was going to say. 0.99

01:38:41.000 Aldo is fucking nasty on the ground. 1.00

01:38:44.000 Nasty. 1.00

01:38:44.000 World champion. 1.00

01:38:45.000 Yeah, he's like, he beat Cabrinha in straight jiu-jitsu.

01:38:49.000 Okay?

01:38:50.000 So if Aldo just clinches and drags that fight to the ground very early in the fight.

01:38:54.000 Look, we saw in the corner with Conor and Chad Mendes.

01:38:57.000 Chad took him down and held him down and was landing some nasty ground and pound with essentially no camp.

01:39:04.000 I mean two weeks, which is like your weight cutting.

01:39:06.000 You know, you don't have any cardio.

01:39:08.000 It's just like you're not gonna improve in two weeks because the last week is all just about recovery anyway. 0.89

01:39:13.000 So he's got like seven days to work out for Conor for a fucking world title fight while he's doing all this press, right? 0.85

01:39:19.000 Aldo's got all the time in the world. 0.99

01:39:21.000 He's got all the time in the world, and he is a monster on the ground. 0.77

01:39:25.000 That's his background.

01:39:26.000 His background is not striking.

01:39:28.000 His background is jiu-jitsu.

01:39:29.000 So to me, and you hit it right on the head, no one's talking about it.

01:39:33.000 Jose's going to grapple him.

01:39:35.000 Because Conor's hard to figure out, especially early in the rounds.

01:39:37.000 He's doing all these weird angles. 0.99

01:39:39.000 It's like, fuck, man, what am I going to do? 0.99

01:39:40.000 He's going to grapple him. 1.00

01:39:41.000 That's what I think.

01:39:42.000 And he's a stunt athlete, too. 0.66

01:39:44.000 Freak! 1.00

01:39:45.000 He can get ahold of you and drags you to the ground and all of a sudden, you know, he's got your back and he's fucking blasting you with punches and elbows. 1.00

01:39:52.000 It could get real weird. 0.82

01:39:53.000 Because if I'm watching the Mendez fight, especially that first round when Mendez kept taking him down, Jose Camp is going, alright, this is what we're going to do.

01:40:04.000 And then let's get it, stay in the third, fourth, fifth round.

01:40:07.000 Start teeing off.

01:40:08.000 Here's a look at it another way. 0.99

01:40:09.000 Connor comes in like a serpent with all this slippery movement and he drops one of those fucking piston left hands in on Jose's chin. 1.00

01:40:18.000 Then shit gets real weird real quick. 1.00

01:40:21.000 That could happen too. 0.99

01:40:22.000 I agree.

01:40:22.000 Blam!

01:40:23.000 He lands one of those fucking corkers on him and starts talking shit to him and gets in front of his face. 1.00

01:40:28.000 Jose's never been in a fight at this magnitude. 1.00

01:40:31.000 No.

01:40:31.000 Never.

01:40:31.000 Never with the shit-talking.

01:40:33.000 The shit-talking changes everything. 1.00

01:40:34.000 The shit-talking and all the eyes on this fight and the pressure. 1.00

01:40:38.000 He's been champ, you know, forever. 0.99

01:40:40.000 He's been undefeated for 10 years.

01:40:41.000 He's never been in this kind of fight.

01:40:43.000 No, not even close.

01:40:44.000 He's gotten a lot of attention in Brazil.

01:40:46.000 Like the first Chad Mendes fight was a giant victory for him in Brazil.

01:40:49.000 Ran out to the audience, was cheering with him.

01:40:51.000 They held up the flag.

01:40:52.000 Different animal.

01:40:53.000 It's a different thing.

01:40:54.000 And I also, Jose will get hit.

01:40:56.000 He'll go straight back and he does get hit.

01:40:58.000 We see Chad Mendes in other fights where he gets hit.

01:41:00.000 He's not elusive.

01:41:01.000 He's not like Mighty Mouse.

01:41:02.000 No, if you get hit by Conor McGregor, the game is over. 1.00

01:41:05.000 He hits like a fucking Mack truck. 1.00

01:41:07.000 Yeah, he snaps those punches in. 1.00

01:41:10.000 He's big. 0.91

01:41:10.000 And he mixes shit up real good with uppercuts and straight punches and comes at different angles. 0.91

01:41:16.000 He gets unpredictable with his movements when he's in close. 0.92

01:41:18.000 Like if you look at his fight with Marcus Brimage, that beautiful combination that he landed to take Brimage out.

01:41:24.000 Amazing.

01:41:24.000 And how good does his Max Holloway wing look now?

01:41:27.000 Exactly. 0.97

01:41:28.000 And he did that with a fucked up knee. 0.99

01:41:29.000 Yeah, he jacked his knee in the first round. 0.97

01:41:33.000 So, there's a lot going on in that fight.

01:41:35.000 There's a lot going on in that fight.

01:41:36.000 What?

01:41:37.000 And I think after, let's say Conor wins that fight, his toughest matchups are looming, you know?

01:41:43.000 They're waiting for him.

01:41:44.000 Well, Tony Ferguson's already called him out. 1.00

01:41:46.000 Tony's like, come on up to 155, bitch. 1.00

01:41:48.000 This might be his last fight at 45, too. 0.99

01:41:50.000 Most likely will be with the IV. Donald wants to fight him, too.

01:41:52.000 Of course. 1.00

01:41:53.000 That's a fucking fight, son. 1.00

01:41:55.000 Pettis. 1.00

01:41:55.000 Well, Donald shouldn't be thinking about anything but the 18th. 1.00

01:41:58.000 That's going to be a tough one.

01:42:00.000 That's a tough one.

01:42:00.000 It's a tough one.

01:42:01.000 Rooting for my boy Cerrone.

01:42:02.000 I am too.

01:42:03.000 I'm also rooting for Dos Anjos. 1.00

01:42:05.000 That's the fucking problem with being a commentator. 1.00

01:42:08.000 You gotta fucking root on everybody. 1.00

01:42:10.000 Not me! 0.99

01:42:10.000 As a human being, I'm way closer to Donald. 0.99

01:42:13.000 Donald's my friend.

01:42:14.000 But when I watch those two fight, I'm a fan of martial arts.

01:42:18.000 Yeah, you're a professional.

01:42:20.000 But when I watch those two fight, I'm a fan of both those guys.

01:42:22.000 Me too.

01:42:23.000 I'm a Rafael Dos Anjos fan. 1.00

01:42:25.000 That motherfucker is a beast. 1.00

01:42:27.000 That beatdown that he put on Pettis, the way he did it... 1.00

01:42:29.000 He's the nicest guy in the world, too.

01:42:31.000 He's the best.

01:42:31.000 The nice guy.

01:42:32.000 When I was fighting, and I never forget this stuff.

01:42:35.000 Anytime guys go out of their way to be nice to me, I never forget it.

01:42:37.000 When I was in Brazil for a press conference before I fought Nogueira, it's like, whatever, 14 weeks before the fight. 0.97

01:42:44.000 You know, Brazilians aren't exactly a big Brown fan when you're fighting the biggest guy in the fucking city. 0.94

01:42:49.000 No one's doing me favors. 0.98

01:42:51.000 And Dos Anchos gave me rides everywhere.

01:42:54.000 Took me to gyms, made sure I was cool, made sure where to eat.

01:42:58.000 He was great, man.

01:42:59.000 He's a great dude.

01:43:00.000 I always like talking to him.

01:43:01.000 He's always a very friendly guy.

01:43:02.000 Cowboy and I are from Denver, same team.

01:43:04.000 Cowboy's my boy.

01:43:05.000 Yeah.

01:43:06.000 No, I get it.

01:43:06.000 So it's tough, man.

01:43:07.000 I'm always biased.

01:43:08.000 Don't ever get it twisted.

01:43:09.000 Whenever I make picks, I'm always biased.

01:43:10.000 Yeah.

01:43:11.000 I feel you.

01:43:12.000 I like this fight as a martial artist because...

01:43:15.000 As someone who looks at the problems that both guys present, I like this fight because the physicality of Dos Anjos is something that guys have to deal with.

01:43:24.000 He's worked real hard on his conditioning and his strength and conditioning routine.

01:43:28.000 He trains with that Nick Kurson guy, who's Marv Marinovich's disciple. 0.98

01:43:32.000 They do some wild, crazy, explosive, plyometric shit. 0.99

01:43:35.000 They do a lot of strength shit. 0.99

01:43:36.000 And a lot of it about just reducing the amount of time it takes you to act and to perform your actions. 0.99

01:43:43.000 Just getting it down, just fractions of a second, just fractions of a second, constantly exploding, constantly moving. 0.98

01:43:49.000 There's all sprints and box jumps and that kind of shit.

01:43:52.000 If you watch some of his training modalities, it's really fascinating to watch all these different techniques they apply, all these weird flexibility things he does.

01:44:00.000 That's cool. 0.99

01:44:01.000 Oh, he does a lot of wild shit, man. 0.99

01:44:03.000 The one thing I don't like is how much time Cowboy's had off. 0.99

01:44:06.000 Cowboy likes to go and go, and that's when he's his best.

01:44:09.000 When you have a lot of time off and he has to think about the fights, that's usually trouble. 1.00

01:44:13.000 But Cowboy's a motherfucker, man. 1.00

01:44:14.000 He's so dangerous. 1.00

01:44:15.000 He's got a lot of momentum right now.

01:44:16.000 He's got a lot of momentum. 0.99

01:44:18.000 You know, and he's a really fucking tough guy. 0.99

01:44:22.000 He takes a good shot. 0.99

01:44:24.000 They don't get any tougher than Donald Cerrone. 0.99

01:44:25.000 He takes a good shot, and he's really fucking sneaky with his Muay Thai. 0.99

01:44:30.000 Very sneaky. 0.99

01:44:31.000 And off his back, man.

01:44:32.000 I'm telling you, his X-Fact, off his back.

01:44:34.000 I've rolled with Cowboy, it's like, Jesus, man.

01:44:36.000 Yeah, he's very slick off his back.

01:44:38.000 It's one of the best things about being a kickboxer that has a really good guard game.

01:44:41.000 Because you don't worry about getting taken down.

01:44:43.000 Because you're very offensive off your back.

01:44:45.000 Unless you're fighting Dos Anjos.

01:44:46.000 I know. 0.98

01:44:47.000 High level grappler, black belt, who does not give a fuck about your guard. 1.00

01:44:52.000 Who's also strong as shit. 1.00

01:44:55.000 Yes. 0.99

01:44:55.000 Like you saw that Nate Diaz fight, he just ragdolled Nate Diaz. 0.99

01:44:59.000 And just brutalized that leg, too, with those leg kicks. 0.98

01:45:03.000 It's going to be interesting to see if he decides to stand with Donald, like how he decides to approach it. 0.99

01:45:07.000 He's so fucking fast.

01:45:09.000 That was the thing that got me in the Pettis fight, like how... 0.94

01:45:12.000 Fast he is to engage and fast he is to execute.

01:45:15.000 He's like, right there, right there, right there, bang!

01:45:17.000 He put tremendous pressure on Pettis right from the beginning, and Pettis doesn't like that.

01:45:22.000 Pettis likes you to stay on the outside and give him time to get his timing.

01:45:27.000 Like, Barboza loves that.

01:45:29.000 Exactly.

01:45:29.000 Yeah, a lot of them like that.

01:45:30.000 And the way to beat those guys, a lot of time, is that kind of pressure.

01:45:34.000 Get in their face. 0.98

01:45:34.000 And Donald had a hard time with Nate in their first fight, or their fight, rather, because Nate put a lot of pressure on him in the first round, and there was a lot of shit-talking. 0.98

01:45:42.000 Yep. 0.99

01:45:42.000 I think he got emotionally invested in that shit-talking a little too much. 0.99

01:45:46.000 You want to talk about leg kicks? 0.99

01:45:47.000 We don't even talk about this. 0.99

01:45:48.000 I hate to go back to it, but Jose Aldo has a motherfucker for a kick. 1.00

01:45:52.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:45:52.000 What? 1.00

01:45:53.000 Horrible.

01:45:53.000 And you've got to remember, Conor has that wide stance.

01:45:56.000 Yep.

01:45:56.000 Yep, he does.

01:45:57.000 That's a game fact.

01:45:57.000 Because you land four of those leg kicks.

01:45:59.000 We're talking about a different night.

01:46:00.000 Yep.

01:46:00.000 And he's also...

01:46:02.000 We're assuming that Connor's going to fight Southpaw and that Jose's going to fight Orthodox.

01:46:07.000 We're assuming.

01:46:07.000 And if he does do that, then it opens him up for that inside leg kick, for sure.

01:46:12.000 That's a powerful technique.

01:46:14.000 And it also head kicks.

01:46:16.000 And Jose's not been a head kick kind of a guy.

01:46:18.000 But Conor is, you know?

01:46:20.000 And if Conor is in that position, he's in the strong leg back position, and Jose's opened in that orthodox position.

01:46:28.000 So what I'm saying, folks, if you don't know what we're talking about, if someone fights a southpaw means they have their right foot forward.

01:46:33.000 Orthodox, the way most boxers fight, they have their left leg forward. 0.87

01:46:36.000 When Conor has his right leg forward, the inside of his leg, which is a very sensitive, soft, tender area, he gets opened up for those inside leg kicks.

01:46:47.000 It'll slow your game down.

01:46:48.000 You're only in a couple of those world-class kicks, it'll slow your game down.

01:46:51.000 Yeah, but I mean, I kind of think that Conor's anticipated that, and he's probably going to, you know, time his movement.

01:46:56.000 And then also you look at, like, that was the kick that did in Anderson, because Weidman checked it.

01:47:01.000 And Weidman checked it perfectly and snapped Anderson's leg.

01:47:04.000 So there's that possibility, too.

01:47:06.000 You know, if they go shin to shin a couple of times, woo!

01:47:08.000 I've never been more excited than for a fight card since Saturday night.

01:47:12.000 It's stunning.

01:47:13.000 Spectacular.

01:47:14.000 It's so good in so many ways.

01:47:16.000 Can I hate on one of the fights on the card, Joe, real quick?

01:47:19.000 Please do.

01:47:20.000 Gunnar Nelson, Damian Mai, I think, is there.

01:47:22.000 How dare you.

01:47:22.000 I know.

01:47:25.000 I hope I'm wrong.

01:47:26.000 I hope I'm wrong. 0.96

01:47:27.000 Every other fight on that card is ridiculous.

01:47:29.000 I think just style-wise, I just don't see that being fun.

01:47:32.000 You look at their previous wins, Gunnar Nelson really finishes only by submission.

01:47:38.000 You ain't submitting Damian Maia.

01:47:39.000 That ain't happening.

01:47:40.000 Then his other wins are decision.

01:47:42.000 Damian Maia is either submission or decision.

01:47:44.000 Imagine if Gunnar did submit Damian Maia.

01:47:48.000 Can you imagine that?

01:47:49.000 It'd be sick.

01:47:50.000 Can you imagine if he could do that?

01:47:51.000 It'd be so sick.

01:47:53.000 Is it possible?

01:47:54.000 I'm a fan.

01:47:55.000 Is it possible that Damien could submit Gunnar?

01:47:58.000 I mean, I don't even know if that's possible.

01:47:59.000 I agree.

01:48:00.000 Well, the thing is, we talk about Gunnar Nelson's background in jiu-jitsu.

01:48:04.000 He's the far cry from Damien Maia.

01:48:06.000 Don't get twisted, people.

01:48:07.000 He is.

01:48:07.000 As far as...

01:48:08.000 You know celebrated true traditional jiu-jitsu Damien Maia is a motherfucking monster. 1.00

01:48:13.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:48:14.000 100% as far as achievements.

01:48:15.000 Yes.

01:48:15.000 But when you look at what Gunnar Nelson has done, like he's an elite grappler.

01:48:20.000 He really is.

01:48:20.000 He beat Jeff Monson, son.

01:48:22.000 Yes, he did.

01:48:22.000 What?

01:48:22.000 Dominated him.

01:48:23.000 Yes.

01:48:23.000 And he's also small for the division, which is where it gets interesting because Damien Maia is large for the division.

01:48:30.000 Damien Maia cuts a lot of weight and this would be his first time doing it without an IV. Oh, see all these X-Factors, son?

01:48:36.000 The other thing is, David Meyer, he's not exactly Lance Armstrong in the cardio department.

01:48:40.000 So you want to talk about submissions later in the round, there's going to be one.

01:48:44.000 It's probably going to be Nelson.

01:48:45.000 Well, and with no IV, he could even be more weakened by this weight cut.

01:48:49.000 It's a factor.

01:48:51.000 How about Susan Romero?

01:48:52.000 We didn't even talk about that. 1.00

01:48:53.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:48:55.000 Jacare is fighting Yoel Romero. 1.00

01:48:57.000 First of all, Yoel Romero has the best body that has ever walked on Earth.

01:49:03.000 He is cheeked.

01:49:04.000 Who looks better than that?

01:49:06.000 That's a superhero.

01:49:07.000 He's a superhero.

01:49:08.000 That's a superhero. 1.00

01:49:09.000 That's fucking Aquaman. 1.00

01:49:10.000 That's Spider-Man. 1.00

01:49:11.000 Straight up.

01:49:12.000 That's Superman.

01:49:13.000 Straight up.

01:49:13.000 Look at that build.

01:49:14.000 That shit's ridiculous. 1.00

01:49:15.000 And Jacare's a fucking savage too, man. 1.00

01:49:17.000 Jacare's bicep is like three inches longer than a normal bicep. 1.00

01:49:21.000 It goes to the middle of his forearm. 0.85

01:49:23.000 He was born to choke people. 0.80

01:49:24.000 He was literally born to choke people unconscious.

01:49:27.000 It's going to be interesting to see if Yoel can avoid the submissions if it goes to the ground.

01:49:31.000 It's going to be interesting because Yoel is such an elite wrestler.

01:49:34.000 I mean, his wrestling is outstanding.

01:49:36.000 You know what?

01:49:36.000 It's outstanding, but he's been taken down the octagon by inferior guys.

01:49:39.000 It's because he doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

01:49:41.000 Because he just gets right back up. 0.99

01:49:43.000 You're not getting right back up on Jock, right?

01:49:44.000 No, no, no.

01:49:45.000 He's not going to have that approach. 0.99

01:49:46.000 That's a fucking tough one to call. 0.97

01:49:47.000 He's going to be much more conservative, I think, in his approach as far as his attacks. 0.99

01:49:51.000 But he's got so much faith in that fast twitch muscle fiber, too. 1.00

01:49:57.000 Because he drops those fucking fast shots on you. 0.99

01:50:00.000 So does Sousa, though. 1.00

01:50:01.000 So does Jacare. 1.00

01:50:02.000 What the fuck, son? 1.00

01:50:03.000 Especially now. 1.00

01:50:04.000 The Yushin Okami fight, when Jacare unloaded on Okami.

01:50:07.000 What, you worried about my jiu-jitsu?

01:50:09.000 What?

01:50:09.000 How about worried about knuckle sandwich?

01:50:11.000 Knuckle sandwich, son.

01:50:12.000 I think someone's getting dropped.

01:50:15.000 That's a wild fight.

01:50:16.000 I think he ends up on the feet and someone's gonna land a bomb.

01:50:19.000 You know what gets me?

01:50:20.000 I almost wish that Yoel...

01:50:22.000 It's like, I almost wish he was fighting for the title now.

01:50:25.000 Because I feel like he's 36. He's 36. Time is not on his side.

01:50:28.000 No, especially not with this kind of testing.

01:50:31.000 Yeah.

01:50:32.000 Time is not on his side.

01:50:33.000 Testing ain't doing him any favors.

01:50:35.000 And he has injuries.

01:50:36.000 They were supposed to fight before.

01:50:38.000 Well, he's had his neck operated on.

01:50:40.000 Of course.

01:50:40.000 He's got a big slice in the back of his neck.

01:50:42.000 You see him when he steps on the scale at the weigh-ins where he had disc surgery.

01:50:47.000 I don't know what they did.

01:50:48.000 He don't wrestle for that long without having some issues. 0.93

01:50:51.000 Yeah, he's a monster.

01:50:53.000 He's maybe one of the greatest amateur wrestlers to ever come out of Cuba. 0.99

01:50:57.000 He's just a freak, man.

01:50:58.000 A monster wrestler. 0.70

01:50:59.000 He eats shots, though, and he's not exactly a cardio machine either.

01:51:02.000 Nope, and he's got to be real careful about how he explodes and how he paces himself. 0.99

01:51:06.000 I mean, these are two fucking kegs of dynamite going after each other. 0.98

01:51:09.000 Two different approaches. 1.00

01:51:12.000 Goddamn, that's a good fight. 0.99

01:51:13.000 Whoa! 0.98

01:51:14.000 And we're not even talking about Uriah Faber.

01:51:16.000 Uriah Faber's on this card.

01:51:17.000 No one's even brought it up.

01:51:20.000 Yeah, they just have him on the card just in case Aldo didn't show up.

01:51:23.000 Yep, that's exactly what it is.

01:51:24.000 Let's get real here, everybody.

01:51:26.000 That's exactly what it is.

01:51:26.000 Yeah.

01:51:27.000 I probably gave him a good stipend.

01:51:29.000 Yeah, he's on the card.

01:51:31.000 Stay in shape.

01:51:31.000 Yeah, do your thing, Uriah.

01:51:32.000 Do you know Frankie Sainz?

01:51:35.000 S-A-E-N-Z? How do you pronounce it?

01:51:37.000 Sainz?

01:51:38.000 Sainz?

01:51:39.000 Sainz?

01:51:40.000 Sainz?

01:51:40.000 It's not good if we don't know his name.

01:51:42.000 Well, if he wins, it's good for him.

01:51:44.000 Yeah.

01:51:45.000 If he wins for him, it's gigantic for him. 0.93

01:51:47.000 Jeremy Stephens and Max Holloway, it's another fucking bang-up fight, too, nobody's bringing up. 0.94

01:51:50.000 Dude, I'm impressed with Holloway, man. 1.00

01:51:52.000 Fuck yeah, man. 0.99

01:51:53.000 That Cub-Swanson fight opened up a lot of people's eyes. 1.00

01:51:56.000 They were like, whoa.

01:51:58.000 And this kid's only, like, 24. He's young, talented, fucking dude's up. 0.99

01:52:02.000 What's he won, five in a row, seven in a row since losing to Conor? 0.99

01:52:05.000 Five, probably?

01:52:06.000 He's won quite a few and looks better every single time he's inside the octagon.

01:52:09.000 Hey, Stevens, for sure let's not suck in our gut like that when we take a picture, though.

01:52:14.000 Can't do that. 0.97

01:52:15.000 It's obvious.

01:52:16.000 Caught him out of camp for photos.

01:52:18.000 It's obvious.

01:52:18.000 I've been there.

01:52:19.000 It's like, God damn it. 1.00

01:52:20.000 And you know this shit's going to be on the promos and shit. 1.00

01:52:23.000 I would have tanned and did some fucking push-ups. 1.00

01:52:26.000 Yeah, Jeremy Stevens has some fucking dynamite in his hands. 1.00

01:52:30.000 He has dynamite. 1.00

01:52:31.000 And his kicks, too.

01:52:33.000 When he knocked out Honey Jason, that head kick. 0.98

01:52:36.000 Nasty. 0.89

01:52:38.000 That was a flatliner. 0.97

01:52:39.000 He's almost like the Rumble Johnson of this weight class.

01:52:42.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

01:52:42.000 Like he is just a fucking ball of knockout. 1.00

01:52:46.000 But then, I just think Holloway, he's too good. 1.00

01:52:49.000 He has too many tools to win.

01:52:50.000 We'll see.

01:52:51.000 I like it.

01:52:52.000 I like that fight.

01:52:53.000 I like it a lot. 1.00

01:52:54.000 I think Jeremy Stephens, you zig when you should have zagged, you fuck up, you make a mistake. 1.00

01:52:59.000 Oh, it's over. 1.00

01:53:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:01.000 He'll shut the fucking lights out on you. 1.00

01:53:03.000 That Dennis Bermudez fight, how about that? 1.00

01:53:05.000 How about that fight? 1.00

01:53:07.000 Bermudez is a motherfucker. 1.00

01:53:08.000 Bermudez was looking good in that fight, too. 1.00

01:53:10.000 Jeremy Steeves dropped the bomb on him.

01:53:12.000 He can do that, man, and he holds that power deep into the third round, too.

01:53:15.000 You gotta remember, also, he knocked out the champ.

01:53:18.000 He knocked out Dos Anjos.

01:53:19.000 That's right.

01:53:20.000 Yep.

01:53:20.000 People forget that.

01:53:21.000 I don't forget it.

01:53:22.000 He knocked out Dos Anjos at 55 and then dropped down to 45. Feels like he's got a better shot at 45. I wonder how many guys are gonna continue to try to compete at 45 with this IV ban.

01:53:34.000 Not many.

01:53:35.000 Yeah, I wonder how Jeremy's going to do, because I think this will be his first fight without the IV as well.

01:53:39.000 Well, think about Aldo and McGregor, too. 0.98

01:53:41.000 McGregor's some motherfucker for them to get down. 0.99

01:53:43.000 You look at McGregor when he gets on that scale, it's like... 1.00

01:53:46.000 Yeah, he looks like he's got...

01:53:46.000 Dead man walking, so...

01:53:48.000 Yeah, like a horrible stomach disease or something.

01:53:50.000 Yeah.

01:53:51.000 If McGregor knocks out Aldo, is he the biggest star in the UFC? Yeah.

01:53:55.000 Yeah, he's the biggest.

01:53:56.000 100%.

01:53:57.000 He's the biggest right now.

01:53:58.000 You think?

01:53:58.000 I mean, Rhonda's the biggest, but she's not because she's not the champ.

01:54:01.000 He's the champ.

01:54:02.000 They will have parades for him in Ireland.

01:54:05.000 I'll have a parade for him.

01:54:06.000 Yeah, but you have to understand the level of champ, like, their level of love that he gets is so, like, women... 0.99

01:54:13.000 Like, looked at Ronda like this new thing.

01:54:16.000 There's this new thing that never existed before.

01:54:18.000 This beautiful female combat sports champion who's totally dominant. 1.00

01:54:22.000 But Ireland has a long history of combat sports athletes, and right now Conor McGregor is as big as anyone that's ever been.

01:54:31.000 And if he beats Aldo and he smashes Aldo, the way he talks and his charisma, the way he dresses, his whole package, the whole thing, there's no one like him.

01:54:40.000 They will have a goddamn parade for him in Ireland and he will be the biggest star MMA has ever seen. 0.73

01:54:46.000 He will eclipse Brock Lesnar and Ronda Rousey together. 1.00

01:54:49.000 He's gonna be the fucking Mac Daddy. 0.99

01:54:51.000 You know the thing about Conor, too? 1.00

01:54:53.000 That's a big if, right?

01:54:54.000 It's a big if. 1.00

01:54:55.000 It's a fucking if, man. 0.99

01:54:56.000 I think the UFC needs it. 0.99

01:54:58.000 I think UFC needs him to win so bad.

01:55:00.000 Nope.

01:55:01.000 Nope.

01:55:02.000 I disagree.

01:55:03.000 I disagree.

01:55:04.000 If Conor gets knocked out dead by Jose Aldo, then Aldo looks even better.

01:55:09.000 Aldo looks even better, and then next people want to see Aldo fight someone else.

01:55:13.000 Who, Frank Yeager again?

01:55:14.000 I don't ever look at it in terms of like, what would be the best result for the...

01:55:18.000 Oh, I do all the time.

01:55:19.000 I don't.

01:55:20.000 I want martial arts.

01:55:22.000 That's what I want.

01:55:22.000 I'm with you, Joe.

01:55:23.000 That's all great, but we're in the...

01:55:24.000 I want exchanges.

01:55:25.000 I want to figure out what's the best style.

01:55:28.000 Is it this long stance with these crazy weird movements and throwing in traditional martial arts techniques? 0.96

01:55:34.000 Or is it hard Dutch style with fucking world-class Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu? 0.98

01:55:38.000 We know that works. 0.99

01:55:39.000 She's been winning for 10 years.

01:55:40.000 But does it work against Conor? 0.99

01:55:43.000 What if Conor fucking spinning back kicks him in the liver five seconds into the fight like he did with Chad? 0.99

01:55:47.000 Then we got the biggest fighter of all time. 1.00

01:55:50.000 Wild shit. 0.99

01:55:50.000 But the thing is, if I'm a businessman, not as a martial artist, if I'm a businessman, Conor winning is the golden ticket. 0.99

01:55:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:55:58.000 By far.

01:55:59.000 And it's the long play, too.

01:56:00.000 Because Jose, you know, he's not going to be around that much longer.

01:56:03.000 Right, but there's never been a guy like Conor before, and the UFC's been fine.

01:56:06.000 Like, you know, it's not necessarily the best thing for the sport.

01:56:09.000 Oh, no, they're going to be fine.

01:56:10.000 Dana's still Scrooge McDuck.

01:56:11.000 I'm not saying that, son.

01:56:13.000 I'm not saying he goes broke.

01:56:15.000 But I don't even think it's...

01:56:16.000 I'm just talking about getting new heights.

01:56:17.000 I don't think so.

01:56:18.000 Look at this.

01:56:21.000 Scrooge McDuck doing the backstroke through a sea of gold. 0.99

01:56:25.000 I fucking love that guy. 0.98

01:56:29.000 I just never thought about it until you started bringing up Scrooge McDuck. 0.99

01:56:33.000 I never thought about that cartoon. 0.99

01:56:34.000 It's random as fuck. 0.99

01:56:36.000 Whenever you talk about money, like, I ain't Scrooge McDuck. 0.99

01:56:38.000 I'm like, that's right, Scrooge McDuck.

01:56:41.000 He had a lot of money.

01:56:41.000 Ballin', son.

01:56:43.000 I think this fight for martial artists, this fight is...

01:56:47.000 It's like the ultimate who knows.

01:56:49.000 It's like the ultimate.

01:56:50.000 The Weidman fight as well.

01:56:52.000 They're both ultimate who knows.

01:56:53.000 The only difference being that we saw Weidman get wheel kicked in the head by Vitor.

01:56:58.000 We saw that.

01:56:59.000 You saw Rockhold get wheel kicked.

01:57:01.000 Oh, did I say Weidman?

01:57:02.000 I'm sorry.

01:57:03.000 Yeah, we saw Rockhold get knocked out by Vitor's wheel kick in the first round.

01:57:07.000 That's the only variable.

01:57:08.000 That was mutant Vitor, though.

01:57:10.000 It was mutant Vitor.

01:57:11.000 I missed that.

01:57:12.000 Me too.

01:57:12.000 You know, there's part of me that all this...

01:57:14.000 Look, I'm very torn on TRT Vitor.

01:57:18.000 Obviously.

01:57:19.000 I'm very torn.

01:57:20.000 Very torn. 0.96

01:57:20.000 Because as a person who enjoys TRT myself, like, goddamn, there's some benefits to that stuff. 0.96

01:57:26.000 You can't have that, though, man. 0.99

01:57:28.000 No, you can't.

01:57:29.000 But why not?

01:57:30.000 I get it.

01:57:30.000 Because Bisping's left eye is why not.

01:57:32.000 Yes, you're right.

01:57:33.000 But okay.

01:57:34.000 But that was a shot that landed.

01:57:36.000 Are we absolutely sure that that shot was landed because of TRT? I mean, that's the thing with TRT. If I can throw a spinning back kick a hundred times naturally, I take TRT, I can throw it a thousand times.

01:57:47.000 100% it's helped me throw that back kick.

01:57:50.000 Especially if you can achieve hyperhuman levels and maintain them.

01:57:53.000 So that's what people, I don't think, totally understand about this argument about TRT. So all you have to do, when they're talking about the dosage, dosage varies for every athlete that takes it.

01:58:04.000 But what they want to do is maintain a high normal, right?

01:58:08.000 So high normal is like 800. This would be the number that they would look for in your blood test.

01:58:12.000 100 to 1,000, right?

01:58:13.000 Yeah.

01:58:13.000 Is that right?

01:58:14.000 It's very rare.

01:58:15.000 You get to 1,000.

01:58:17.000 It's like super rare. 1.00

01:58:18.000 Like African dudes who eat elephant meat and fucking kill lions with sticks. 1.00

01:58:22.000 Those guys might hit 1,000 naturally. 1.00

01:58:24.000 Jesus Christ.

01:58:25.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:58:25.000 It's a fucking super fucking genetic spell. 1.00

01:58:29.000 Like Yoel Romero. 1.00

01:58:31.000 There are probably some times in his life where he's at a thousand.

01:58:33.000 But most people...

01:58:35.000 You have to be like some super stud.

01:58:36.000 You know, it barely exists.

01:58:38.000 They're out there, I'm sure.

01:58:39.000 They're out there.

01:58:39.000 There's outliers, right?

01:58:41.000 There's these, like, fuck... 1.00

01:58:42.000 Like those Iceland dudes. 1.00

01:58:44.000 Those gigantic power...

01:58:45.000 Like the mountain.

01:58:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:58:47.000 Obviously, he probably does some fucking Mexican supplements. 1.00

01:58:49.000 Yeah! 1.00

01:58:50.000 The mountain?

01:58:50.000 I believe.

01:58:51.000 What?

01:58:51.000 But...

01:58:52.000 Even on top of that, you're dealing with Mexican supplements on top of a superhuman guy, a gigantic seven-foot-tall gorilla man. 0.96

01:59:01.000 Then you're the mountain.

01:59:01.000 Yeah, you're the mountain, right?

01:59:03.000 So when you're in camp, like this is one of the things that Weidman was yelling at Vitor, because when Vitor's blood work came back from camp, there's a guy that had been...

01:59:13.000 Taken off of TRT. Got on TRT because his testosterone was low.

01:59:17.000 But when he's in camp training for Weidman, they test his testosterone and it's three times higher than Weidman's.

01:59:23.000 Weidman's at three, he's at 12. And everyone's like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:59:27.000 Or was it four times? 0.99

01:59:29.000 So he's...

01:59:30.000 Who knows?

01:59:32.000 Who knows what's going on?

01:59:33.000 He got away with it.

01:59:35.000 Whatever it is, either he figured out a way to get his testosterone up naturally, or he figured out a way to do it and not get caught.

01:59:42.000 But when you're a guy like Weidman, who's a young guy who's doing it by the book and doing it totally, your body gets broken down by training and it takes some serious mental power, some serious willpower to keep pushing through.

01:59:55.000 When you're a guy who's taking that TRT, all you have to do is maintain that high normal.

02:00:00.000 So you might, if your workouts are brutal and they're breaking your body down, you gotta...

02:00:06.000 Bang! 1.00

02:00:07.000 Revitalize that bitch. 1.00

02:00:09.000 And he might be taking giant doses several times a week. 1.00

02:00:13.000 For sure.

02:00:14.000 And if he's doing that, he's operating at a level that a normal human being just can't.

02:00:19.000 He can't train that much.

02:00:20.000 It doesn't mean if you're 19. It doesn't matter if you're 45. You can't do it.

02:00:24.000 You know what the thing is, though?

02:00:26.000 Granted, you know, TRT does help and all that.

02:00:28.000 You still have to put in the work.

02:00:30.000 100%. 1.00

02:00:30.000 He's still putting in the fucking work you idiotic. 1.00

02:00:32.000 Yeah, 100%. 1.00

02:00:34.000 Like, people are like, oh, Barry Bonds, he couldn't hit a bit.

02:00:36.000 No, you take all the steroids you want and try hitting that many home runs.

02:00:39.000 Exactly.

02:00:40.000 No, they still have so much talent, man.

02:00:42.000 You have to have all the above.

02:00:43.000 You do.

02:00:43.000 You have to have the talent, and then you have to, and that's what Vitor had.

02:00:46.000 But they also think that there's a thing that happened where he had this crazy confidence because of that shit. 0.99

02:00:51.000 Yes. 0.99

02:00:51.000 It was a different kind of confidence. 0.99

02:00:53.000 It's just a different person.

02:00:54.000 He was a different person in those fights.

02:00:57.000 There's a lot of guys like that. 0.99

02:00:58.000 Overeem, when he fought Brock, I mean, what the fuck? 0.99

02:01:02.000 Oh my god. 0.99

02:01:03.000 That was terrifying.

02:01:04.000 It made me not want to fight anymore.

02:01:06.000 265, shredded. 0.99

02:01:08.000 I looked at his arm, I looked at his, and then I looked at his arm, and I was like, fuck this, man. 0.99

02:01:12.000 And Brock just couldn't fucking take him down. 0.99

02:01:14.000 Pull that fight up. 0.99

02:01:15.000 Find that fight.

02:01:16.000 See if you can find that fight online.

02:01:17.000 Overeem versus Brock Lesk.

02:01:18.000 He would have finished third or fourth in Olympia, probably?

02:01:20.000 Wouldn't it be great if there was no testing, just so you could see that guy?

02:01:24.000 I don't know if it was.

02:01:25.000 I don't know, man.

02:01:26.000 I don't know.

02:01:27.000 I don't know.

02:01:28.000 Because then you're talking about who has the best doctor.

02:01:30.000 I know.

02:01:30.000 But I mean, okay.

02:01:31.000 Like, when Overeem fought Badr Hari, do you think Badr Hari was clean? 0.99

02:01:37.000 Fuck, I love Badr Hari. 1.00

02:01:39.000 I hate to throw him under the bus. 1.00

02:01:40.000 I hate to as well, so let's just leave it at that.

02:01:44.000 They were all doing it, though!

02:01:46.000 I mean, K1 is a different kind of an environment, you know?

02:01:50.000 And I think those guys have been, you know, these guys in Holland that have been caught, so here's over him.

02:01:56.000 Just look at the size of him.

02:01:58.000 Look at those tracks, son!

02:01:59.000 And he's coming out with a low stance, too.

02:02:02.000 Hey, look how bad Brock's stance.

02:02:03.000 Brock's throwing leg kicks.

02:02:06.000 He's throwing leg kicks and doing like some Jeet Kune Do hand techniques. 1.00

02:02:09.000 He's trying to jab his ass. 1.00

02:02:10.000 A quick jab. 1.00

02:02:10.000 He doesn't know what to do. 1.00

02:02:11.000 He doesn't know what to do.

02:02:13.000 He's got this guy coiled up in front of him.

02:02:16.000 Ooh! 0.96

02:02:17.000 And Overeem just barely missed a handmaker overhand right.

02:02:20.000 I don't think anyone beats that Overeem.

02:02:22.000 That's the scariest guy maybe ever in the octagon.

02:02:24.000 Low stance.

02:02:26.000 Good luck taking him down. 0.98

02:02:27.000 He also could take a shot when he was juiced up like this. 1.00

02:02:31.000 Fuck yes. 1.00

02:02:32.000 God damn it. 1.00

02:02:33.000 Look at the amount of mass he was carrying then as compared to now. 0.99

02:02:37.000 Look at this strategy.

02:02:39.000 Look, here's the takedown defense.

02:02:41.000 Nothing.

02:02:41.000 Brock gets the single.

02:02:43.000 Not even close.

02:02:44.000 Brock just couldn't complete the single.

02:02:45.000 That's so crazy. 0.98

02:02:46.000 He's got a hold of that single and he couldn't go a goddamn thing about it. 0.97

02:02:50.000 Brock is mixed up with the stand-up, though, here. 0.98

02:02:52.000 Yeah, well, for him, that's pretty good, but just the ferocious fucking power that Overeem has is always looming, see? 0.98

02:02:58.000 It's looming. 0.98

02:02:59.000 He's keeping him at bay.

02:03:00.000 You will never see two freaks like this in the Octagon ever again.

02:03:04.000 Oh, boom, there's that knee to the body. 1.00

02:03:06.000 There's another one.

02:03:06.000 Oh, son!

02:03:07.000 Then the kick.

02:03:08.000 Brock's trying to keep him up, but he's already hurt.

02:03:09.000 He's, oh, you have a bad gut?

02:03:11.000 That's cool.

02:03:11.000 Check this out.

02:03:13.000 He's throwing some good jabs.

02:03:14.000 Yeah, he really is.

02:03:15.000 But it's just Overeem's cut already.

02:03:17.000 He got cut over his right eye.

02:03:19.000 That flat top ain't helping nobody.

02:03:21.000 Come on, it looks beautiful.

02:03:22.000 I like it. 0.99

02:03:23.000 Oh, it's nasty fucking uppercuts. 1.00

02:03:25.000 Here's that knee to the body. 1.00

02:03:26.000 Ooh! 1.00

02:03:27.000 That already fucked him up, and then he kicks him up. 0.99

02:03:28.000 And here comes the kick. 0.99

02:03:29.000 The kick was nasty.

02:03:31.000 He throws that kick right under that right arm. 0.88

02:03:35.000 You're never going to see two muscular do- Ooh! 1.00

02:03:39.000 Hit him with that right kick. 1.00

02:03:40.000 There's a left kick that he lands in this fight that I remember watching three or four times in a row like, ooh, that one.

02:03:46.000 That one wasn't a good one.

02:03:47.000 Dude, I loved watching Brock fight. 0.94

02:03:49.000 Goddamn Overeem looked good back then. 0.98

02:03:51.000 Jesus! 0.99

02:03:52.000 Different animal now, isn't he?

02:03:53.000 Jesus!

02:03:55.000 Yeah, I mean, it makes you think, like, I get it.

02:03:59.000 I mean, I'm not really saying that guys should be able to...

02:04:01.000 There it is.

02:04:01.000 It's a knee, actually.

02:04:02.000 I'm sorry.

02:04:03.000 Boom.

02:04:04.000 Boom.

02:04:05.000 I'm not saying the guy should be able to do whatever.

02:04:07.000 There's the kick.

02:04:08.000 There's that left kick.

02:04:10.000 Yep.

02:04:10.000 Boom.

02:04:11.000 The one that went right under the armpit. 0.93

02:04:13.000 I'm not saying that a guy should be able to do whatever they want.

02:04:15.000 Just pull it back to that left kick to the body again. 0.98

02:04:18.000 Just one more time, I want to see that.

02:04:20.000 You know what the thing is, though, Joe?

02:04:21.000 You also got to chop it up.

02:04:22.000 This is a few years ago, too.

02:04:24.000 Over him has miles on him, man.

02:04:26.000 Boom! 0.99

02:04:27.000 He's fighting K-1, Pride, UFC. He has miles on him.

02:04:30.000 Oh yeah, 100%, but I think that's one of the things...

02:04:32.000 It's not all just TRT. I think one of the things that TRT does is take those miles off.

02:04:37.000 A few miles?

02:04:38.000 I think it takes a lot off.

02:04:39.000 If you do enough, and I think that's what we saw with Vitor.

02:04:42.000 Well, here it is, man. 0.99

02:04:43.000 This fucking... 1.00

02:04:43.000 He lands his right knee first and hurts him, and then he lands that left kick to the body. 1.00

02:04:48.000 Yeah, look where his right hand is when he lands this.

02:04:50.000 Boom! 0.99

02:04:51.000 Then watch, you can see it fucks him up. 0.98

02:04:54.000 He's hurting him. 0.96

02:04:55.000 This is terrifying though.

02:04:57.000 Look how low it is.

02:04:58.000 Slam! 1.00

02:04:58.000 Oh God! 1.00

02:05:00.000 Right underneath.

02:05:01.000 Just shin to the gut.

02:05:02.000 And that's right after he had that surgery for diverticulitis.

02:05:08.000 Yeah, man.

02:05:08.000 Had a big chunk of his colon removed or his intestines removed rather.

02:05:11.000 I'm a big Brock fan.

02:05:12.000 I like both those guys.

02:05:14.000 Big Brock fan though.

02:05:16.000 Over him then in that fight, boy, we had a lot of options.

02:05:20.000 There's so many good fights for that guy.

02:05:22.000 He's the best.

02:05:23.000 Seeing him against Junior or him against Kane or him against...

02:05:26.000 There were so many fights we could have seen him.

02:05:28.000 He's the best, man.

02:05:30.000 It's interesting how different a guy becomes when you take that stuff away from him.

02:05:34.000 I mean, it is the ultimate proving ground for testosterone.

02:05:38.000 It's the ultimate proving ground.

02:05:39.000 Fighting is for sure.

02:05:40.000 Yes!

02:05:41.000 Watching the difference between these guys and what they can pull off when they're on it and when they're not.

02:05:46.000 I'm sure you can see a difference in football players, but the difference is you're not seeing them to a finish in a particular contest against another human being.

02:05:56.000 We get to see their movements like you see a guy sprinting on the field You could see a guy making good plays you could see a guy being energetic and pulling off But you're not seeing them in a sustained environment for five minutes at a time Three five minute rounds and watching their movements and analyzing them against another human being I agree.

02:06:13.000 It's very like in fighting steroids.

02:06:15.000 It's very black and white I think it's very clear whether someone's on it very clear Well, it's hard to say...

02:06:22.000 No, I'm not saying...

02:06:22.000 I can't look at a guy and go, he's taking it.

02:06:24.000 Right.

02:06:25.000 But if, like, Vitor.

02:06:26.000 Right.

02:06:26.000 Like, when he fought...

02:06:27.000 But Vitor, in Brazil, it was like, holy good God.

02:06:32.000 And then Vitor, when he fought White, I was like, aw, man.

02:06:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:34.000 Aw, fuck. 1.00

02:06:35.000 It was like, the way I described it, like, a football that had, like, one quarter of the air missing. 1.00

02:06:39.000 Yeah, it was just some... 1.00

02:06:39.000 It was like, fuck. 1.00

02:06:40.000 Something happened. 1.00

02:06:41.000 Like, something's going on.

02:06:42.000 But if you watch, say, like, a fight and a guy is a super athlete, guys will assume...

02:06:48.000 Like, people are already saying Sage Northcutt's on steroids.

02:06:50.000 That's not fair.

02:06:51.000 He's 19. Yeah, that's not fair.

02:06:53.000 That's the world we live in, though.

02:06:54.000 Yeah, of course.

02:06:55.000 So it's hard to tell by looking at somebody, but you can tell if they change radically.

02:07:00.000 Like, if you go back to Vitor's fight with Rich Franklin, watch that fight, watch the Rich Franklin fight, his body.

02:07:07.000 And then watch his fight in the Rockhold fight.

02:07:09.000 Yeah, man.

02:07:09.000 Watch his body in that fight.

02:07:09.000 Or if a guy has a crazy losing streak, then all of a sudden he's coming back.

02:07:15.000 He's like this new guy.

02:07:16.000 That's always a signal to me.

02:07:19.000 Something changes.

02:07:21.000 And it ain't just kicking and punching.

02:07:23.000 Because you know how to do that.

02:07:24.000 I totally get that it should be illegal, and I totally agree that it should be illegal, but part of me makes me go, wow, it's just so interesting to see something that allows you to do your sport way better, and they won't let you do it.

02:07:36.000 I know.

02:07:37.000 I know.

02:07:39.000 You know, I mean, everything else.

02:07:42.000 Everything else you can do.

02:07:43.000 I mean, like, we'll talk about, like, you know, different supplements, like different companies that sell stuff, like these testosterone boosters and all these different weight gain.

02:07:56.000 There's all sorts of stuff.

02:07:57.000 All those things work a little bit.

02:07:59.000 Creatine's a muscle enhancer.

02:07:59.000 It affects your performance, helps you recover and all that stuff.

02:08:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:08:03.000 All different vitamins, different amino acids.

02:08:05.000 They all have an effect.

02:08:06.000 You can have a little effect.

02:08:08.000 What are you taking?

02:08:09.000 Branched-chain amino acids?

02:08:10.000 We'll allow it.

02:08:11.000 That's going to help.

02:08:11.000 Well, what about HGH? So if a guy injures his knee, there's studies now that HGH is proven to really help aid in the process of recovery, where before, guys were kind of fucked.

02:08:24.000 Oh, yeah. 0.95

02:08:25.000 100% athletes should take HGH. Yeah, right?

02:08:28.000 Especially when there's a significant injury they're trying to recover from.

02:08:31.000 But if they're under the testing protocol of the USADA, they can't do it.

02:08:34.000 I know.

02:08:35.000 They can't even do it while they're recovering from an injury.

02:08:36.000 Who's that hurting?

02:08:37.000 Athletes.

02:08:38.000 It's certain athletes and it's certain the UFC. Right.

02:08:41.000 Because now that athlete that maybe you could, let's say it's Anderson Silva, you could have taken half of his time away from the sport and he could be fighting sooner.

02:08:50.000 Do you think there should be different standards, though?

02:08:53.000 I mean, between combat sports and other sports.

02:08:58.000 Different standards of like what you can and can't do as far as enhancing your body because of the fact that what you're trying to do ultimately is do damage.

02:09:05.000 Yeah.

02:09:06.000 100%.

02:09:06.000 It has to be more stringent.

02:09:07.000 Not that she is ever.

02:09:09.000 Think if Holly looked like over him. 1.00

02:09:11.000 She was on some massive shit and kicked around in the face. 1.00

02:09:13.000 Right. 1.00

02:09:13.000 It's a different result. 1.00

02:09:14.000 Totally different result.

02:09:16.000 Yeah.

02:09:16.000 If it turned out that she had tested positive after that fight...

02:09:20.000 Good lord.

02:09:21.000 All the hate would come her way now. 0.99

02:09:23.000 Yes. 1.00

02:09:24.000 And then, oh my god, you gotta cheat to beat Rhonda, you fucking loser, you piece of shit. 1.00

02:09:27.000 They would hate her. 1.00

02:09:29.000 Yeah.

02:09:30.000 It's crazy, man.

02:09:31.000 It's crazy.

02:09:32.000 But it's also, don't you think there's a different reaction when a woman gets caught taking an anabolic steroid versus a man?

02:09:41.000 It's like a freak thing.

02:09:42.000 Yes.

02:09:43.000 I think when guys do it, it's kind of like, ah, yeah, that makes sense.

02:09:46.000 Right.

02:09:47.000 A little bit.

02:09:47.000 With women, it's like, what?

02:09:49.000 You went deep. 1.00

02:09:49.000 You fucking cheater. 1.00

02:09:51.000 You went deep. 1.00

02:09:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:09:52.000 Dude, I know girl jiu-jitsu competitors that are taking testosterone. 1.00

02:09:55.000 They don't even get paid.

02:09:57.000 I mean, let's for sure relax.

02:09:59.000 They're just doing jujitsu.

02:10:00.000 They're doing jujitsu.

02:10:01.000 Yeah, let's not do that.

02:10:02.000 And they're doing testosterone.

02:10:03.000 Let's not do that.

02:10:04.000 Yeah, they're doing like creams and stuff like that.

02:10:07.000 Like Cyborg will never be able to shake that steroid stuff.

02:10:11.000 Ever.

02:10:12.000 Did you ever watch her first fight?

02:10:13.000 Have you ever seen her first fight?

02:10:14.000 She'll never be able to shake any of that.

02:10:16.000 She might be clean now. 0.98

02:10:17.000 I'm not saying she's on stuff.

02:10:18.000 I have no idea.

02:10:20.000 That's always going to be brought up.

02:10:21.000 Every time she fights now.

02:10:23.000 Well, because we all, it's like, you saw what she looked like.

02:10:28.000 You saw that she didn't look anything like anybody that you knew that hadn't done anything that was a woman. 0.59

02:10:35.000 Like, when women get athletic, and they get strong, and they lift a lot of weights, they very rarely look like that.

02:10:43.000 There's this level of musculature and thickness and density and shredded at very low body fat with very high muscle content.

02:10:53.000 You're like, whoa, there's a lot going on here.

02:10:55.000 We're just not speculating.

02:10:56.000 She tested positive.

02:10:57.000 100%.

02:10:57.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:10:58.000 I'm not like, oh no, I think she's on it.

02:11:00.000 No, no, no.

02:11:00.000 She failed the test.

02:11:01.000 Yeah.

02:11:01.000 Yeah, so that's always gonna travel with her.

02:11:03.000 Always.

02:11:04.000 Speaking of big-ass girls in jiu-jitsu, you know that Gabrielle? 1.00

02:11:08.000 You know what I'm talking about? 0.68

02:11:09.000 Oh, yeah.

02:11:09.000 Gabby?

02:11:09.000 You know she's striking now at Black House.

02:11:11.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

02:11:11.000 She's looking pretty fucking good. 0.98

02:11:12.000 Dude, she's like 6'4". 1.00

02:11:14.000 She's gonna fight MMA in Japan. 1.00

02:11:16.000 She signed some big deal out there. 0.98

02:11:17.000 But the problem with her is she's 200 plus pounds. 1.00

02:11:19.000 Who the hell's gonna fight her? 1.00

02:11:20.000 They found like some big Russian bitch with a beard or something. 1.00

02:11:24.000 Just knocking this Russian grizzly bear out. 1.00

02:11:28.000 Just like you look at her and she's such a freak now. 1.00

02:11:31.000 It's like she used to be this really heavy woman with a lot of body fat. 1.00

02:11:36.000 She was really big and she was just so bulky.

02:11:40.000 She was so big and then like she must have done like facial reconstruction. 1.00

02:11:45.000 She must have gotten something done to her face, too. 0.95

02:11:48.000 And don't forget about them titties. 0.99

02:11:50.000 She got them BS titties. 0.98

02:11:52.000 And she lost all the body fat. 1.00

02:11:55.000 Shredded. 0.96

02:11:55.000 She's shredded. 0.96

02:11:56.000 Who the fuck has ever done that before? 0.99

02:11:58.000 Gone from being, like, really fat and overweight forever and just dominating girls in jujitsu, doing really well, to all of a sudden being shredded. 0.99

02:12:08.000 Shredtown 3000. Overeem vs. 0.96

02:12:11.000 Brock Lesnar.

02:12:11.000 100%.

02:12:12.000 Yeah.

02:12:12.000 And now she's doing MMA. I think she has a fight coming up or something.

02:12:16.000 In Japan, she's on Ryzen.

02:12:17.000 She's on the Ryzen card, isn't she?

02:12:19.000 Yeah, I feel like she is.

02:12:20.000 I'm almost positive.

02:12:21.000 But my thing is...

02:12:22.000 Yeah, look how big she is next to Kat Zingano. 1.00

02:12:24.000 And Kat's a big girl.

02:12:25.000 Googly moogly.

02:12:26.000 Kat's not small.

02:12:27.000 Yeah, she's a good 50 pounds heavier than Kat. 0.99

02:12:29.000 Gabby Garcia, that's right.

02:12:31.000 But she trains with my good friend Mike Safai at Anderson Silva's gym, and he's like, dude, you should see this girl hit. 0.99

02:12:37.000 Oh, I'm sure.

02:12:38.000 I'm sure.

02:12:39.000 She's huge.

02:12:40.000 The other thing is, like, she got so good at jiu-jitsu, and she was dominating women at jiu-jitsu. 0.99

02:12:45.000 She's, like, smashing them.

02:12:46.000 She gets any of those girls on the ground now with that body? 1.00

02:12:49.000 I mean, that body, she must have so much more endurance. 0.99

02:12:51.000 She lost, though, that little Mackenzie girl.

02:12:53.000 I know.

02:12:54.000 Mackenzie's a dime piece, too, son.

02:12:55.000 Isn't that amazing?

02:12:56.000 Yeah.

02:12:57.000 That girl weighs, like, 130. How does she do that? 0.99

02:13:00.000 I'm a fan.

02:13:01.000 Fuji, too.

02:13:02.000 Jiu-jitsu.

02:13:03.000 Jiu-jitsu is the only martial art where a small, talented guy really can beat a bigger, stronger, faster guy just by knowing the techniques.

02:13:12.000 Like a guy like Marcelo Garcia when he fought Rico Rodriguez in that grappling match.

02:13:16.000 It's just a fight, a match.

02:13:19.000 Everybody knew Marcelo was going to win.

02:13:20.000 It was the point where Marcelo took Rico's back.

02:13:23.000 Rico sort of violated the rules.

02:13:26.000 He slammed him.

02:13:28.000 He slammed him because Marcelo was backpacking him.

02:13:31.000 He was on him and he didn't want to get choked out.

02:13:33.000 So he threw all of his 240 plus pounds backwards with Marcelo on his back.

02:13:39.000 So he landed all the weight on Marcelo's back.

02:13:42.000 Just slammed him to the ground.

02:13:44.000 And then Marcelo leg locked him.

02:13:46.000 Such a badass.

02:13:48.000 This technique.

02:13:50.000 Speaking of leglocked, your boy Ryan Hall fights.

02:13:52.000 I know.

02:13:53.000 Tomorrow.

02:13:54.000 What happened?

02:13:55.000 Was someone supposed to fight him and they couldn't get a visa or something?

02:13:59.000 No.

02:13:59.000 So the guy who was, he's from England, he lied on his visa to get in there and he had some felony or something on it.

02:14:07.000 So they didn't allow him back in the States to fight for the finale.

02:14:10.000 So Ryan Hall stepped up.

02:14:12.000 But Ryan Hall lost already in the house.

02:14:14.000 Who did he lose to?

02:14:16.000 I forget.

02:14:17.000 I haven't watched.

02:14:18.000 I binge watch.

02:14:19.000 I like to binge watch those things in a row.

02:14:21.000 You know, I've been doing the show on Fox Sports Live, so I just watch.

02:14:24.000 I like watch them right before I go on the show, but I don't watch The Ultimate Fighters.

02:14:28.000 Well, I've been crazy busy, too, and since I'm concentrated on this card, I'm not calling those other cards.

02:14:33.000 I'm only calling that one card.

02:14:35.000 I didn't watch it too much.

02:14:36.000 The Artem guy, he's Connor's boy. 1.00

02:14:38.000 He's knocking motherfuckers out. 1.00

02:14:39.000 It is hard. 1.00

02:14:40.000 Yeah.

02:14:40.000 He hits hard, but he also drops his hands, and he throws these winging punches.

02:14:45.000 Yes.

02:14:45.000 So, it's interesting.

02:14:46.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

02:14:47.000 It's interesting.

02:14:48.000 Yeah, it's gonna be trouble. 0.84

02:14:49.000 It's a crazy fucking week, and no one's even talking about Chad Mendes and Frankie Edgar. 0.96

02:14:52.000 Not at all. 0.99

02:14:53.000 No one's even talking about it. 0.99

02:14:54.000 Listen, you ain't shit unless you're frickin' Jose or Conor this weekend. 0.99

02:14:58.000 Even Chris Weidman's like, come on, man. 0.99

02:15:01.000 Come on.

02:15:02.000 Give me some love here.

02:15:03.000 Jacare and freaking, you know, we skipped over him almost.

02:15:09.000 Yeah.

02:15:09.000 Well, we always want someone like Conor to come along who believes in himself in a way that we can't imagine believing in ourselves.

02:15:15.000 We want someone to come along who says crazy shit like he says. 0.99

02:15:20.000 He's like our Muhammad Ali, but Irish and small. 1.00

02:15:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:15:22.000 Yeah, but in a weird new way, you know?

02:15:27.000 Where you like it, though.

02:15:28.000 Because if you meet Conor, granted he does believe himself more than anyone, but he's such a good dude. 0.99

02:15:33.000 I had lunch with him, and I'm like, God damn, man. 0.98

02:15:35.000 I'm on your side, man. 0.99

02:15:36.000 You're such a good person.

02:15:37.000 He's a great guy.

02:15:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:39.000 And he really does fuck with their heads, man. 1.00

02:15:41.000 He really does a number on dudes. 1.00

02:15:44.000 They get in there, they're all discombobulated by the time they get in there with him. 0.99

02:15:47.000 And I think other fighters respect that because the amount of shit that he's talked and he puts so much pressure on himself, it's like, damn, and he still pulls it off. 0.99

02:15:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:55.000 Because even in little interviews when I was fighting, when I'd talk a little bit of shit, I'd get off the phone and be like, oh, shit. 1.00

02:16:01.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:16:02.000 He talked about the Mark Hunt thing when Mark Hunt got mad at you and you're like, hey. 1.00

02:16:05.000 Hey, man.

02:16:06.000 I like sending my DM on Twitter.

02:16:08.000 Hey, bro.

02:16:09.000 I was just joking, man.

02:16:10.000 What's up, brother?

02:16:11.000 He's cool. 0.99

02:16:11.000 He was cool as fuck, though. 0.99

02:16:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:16:13.000 He was super cool. 0.99

02:16:14.000 Mark Hunt.

02:16:15.000 Yeah, Mark Hunt.

02:16:16.000 See, there's a guy.

02:16:17.000 Imagine him on testosterone replacement.

02:16:19.000 Oh, my God.

02:16:20.000 He's not doing nothing.

02:16:21.000 Ain't no one fighting that guy in TRT. There's something about Samoans.

02:16:26.000 They're built better.

02:16:29.000 They're just sturdier.

02:16:31.000 They're like tanks.

02:16:31.000 They're tanks.

02:16:32.000 They're tanks and I'm a bike.

02:16:33.000 Like, his knees are twice the size of a normal person's knees.

02:16:36.000 When you see, like, Mark Hunt inside the octagon...

02:16:38.000 Yeah.

02:16:39.000 He was made to fight, man. 1.00

02:16:41.000 That fucking dude throws bombs, too. 1.00

02:16:43.000 What's next for him, though? 1.00

02:16:44.000 That's a good question.

02:16:45.000 Because, you know, he's coming off a big win over Bigfoot Silva. 0.98

02:16:48.000 What the fuck is going to happen to Bigfoot? 0.96

02:16:49.000 Do you think they're going to let Bigfoot go? 0.98

02:16:51.000 If they release Bigfoot, will it be in time for him to fight Fedor and Pride? 0.99

02:16:54.000 God damn it. 0.99

02:16:55.000 And Ryzen. 0.99

02:16:56.000 Ryzen.

02:16:57.000 Did they give him a fight yet?

02:16:58.000 I don't think so.

02:16:59.000 I don't know.

02:16:59.000 I don't know what's going on.

02:17:00.000 But if they gave him enough time, if they were nice, and they'd go, look, Bigfoot ain't going around.

02:17:06.000 But you can go over to Japan and let y'all...

02:17:08.000 I don't see why they wouldn't, because what's left for Bigfoot?

02:17:11.000 Where's Bigfoot go?

02:17:12.000 What are we going to do with Bigfoot?

02:17:14.000 In Japan, they're not going to make him weigh in.

02:17:15.000 He can weigh whatever he wants.

02:17:16.000 They'll let him take whatever he wants.

02:17:18.000 And if anybody has a right to take testosterone, it's Bigfoot.

02:17:22.000 He has a pituitary gland tumor, and that's why he has giantism. 1.00

02:17:25.000 Yeah, but that motherfucker took advantage of it. 1.00

02:17:27.000 Allegedly. 1.00

02:17:28.000 Perhaps.

02:17:29.000 That's what the commission says.

02:17:30.000 According to the commission.

02:17:31.000 According to these biased tests done with his blood work. 1.00

02:17:35.000 Bullshit tests. 0.99

02:17:36.000 I'll tell you, that's a great game plan. 0.99

02:17:37.000 Because in the UFC, There ain't nothing for you, homie. 1.00

02:17:40.000 There's nothing for you.

02:17:41.000 You can't do that anymore.

02:17:43.000 There's no title shot.

02:17:44.000 They're going to throw you to the Wolves and just build off your name.

02:17:46.000 He still hits hard.

02:17:47.000 He's still dangerous. 1.00

02:17:48.000 He fucked up Overeem. 0.96

02:17:49.000 That was one of the best highlight reel knockouts in the heavyweight division. 0.98

02:17:53.000 That combination of punches that he landed on Overeem.

02:17:55.000 The best.

02:17:56.000 When he got him up against the cage. 0.99

02:17:57.000 The fucking best. 0.99

02:17:57.000 Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. 0.99

02:17:58.000 How about when he knocked out Travis Brown?

02:18:00.000 Oh, yeah.

02:18:01.000 Travis ate that right hand against the cage.

02:18:04.000 But Travis blew his hamstring out, remember?

02:18:06.000 His leg gave out.

02:18:07.000 Yeah, no, I do remember that.

02:18:08.000 I remember him getting blast in the face, though. 0.99

02:18:10.000 But also, that was Bigfoot on some shit. 0.99

02:18:12.000 It was. 0.99

02:18:13.000 So none of that matters.

02:18:14.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:18:14.000 We don't have that Bigfoot.

02:18:16.000 For sure, ask for your walking papers and go fight Fedor and get all big and swole.

02:18:20.000 But what would they give him his walking papers?

02:18:21.000 He doesn't have enough time to fight Fedor.

02:18:24.000 It's like December 10th now.

02:18:26.000 We're talking today, December 10th. 0.99

02:18:28.000 Give Fedor a puff cake, like he always fucking fights these days, and then let's have Bigfoot get on some shit and do his thing. 0.98

02:18:34.000 I can't believe they keep saying Fedor, Emil, and Anko with a to-be-announced opponent this month. 0.99

02:18:41.000 I tell you what, you know what I'm talking about?

02:18:43.000 Business 101?

02:18:44.000 Don't do that. 1.00

02:18:45.000 What the fuck are you guys doing? 0.99

02:18:46.000 That's what they've always done. 1.00

02:18:47.000 It's stupid. 1.00

02:18:48.000 That's what Pride always did. 1.00

02:18:49.000 This ain't the Pride days, man.

02:18:51.000 We need matchups.

02:18:52.000 We need good matchups.

02:18:53.000 I'm not buying a paper you just fade over some schmunk on it. 1.00

02:18:56.000 Well, it's not a pay-per-view.

02:18:58.000 It's going to be on Spike.

02:18:59.000 So there's that.

02:19:00.000 That's right.

02:19:01.000 But still, you're not going to get huge numbers doing that anymore.

02:19:05.000 I wonder what kind of numbers they will get.

02:19:07.000 Because this is the Ken Shamrock fight, too.

02:19:10.000 Hoist Gracie, Ken Shamrock.

02:19:12.000 You know what?

02:19:12.000 People will buy that.

02:19:13.000 Kimbo Slice, people will buy that.

02:19:15.000 I mean, buy it means watch it.

02:19:17.000 They'll watch it.

02:19:17.000 It'll get a million people.

02:19:19.000 You don't think it'll get a million people?

02:19:21.000 It's free?

02:19:21.000 Yes.

02:19:22.000 It'll get a million.

02:19:22.000 On Spike, it'll get a million.

02:19:23.000 It'll get a million.

02:19:24.000 I'll watch Kimbo Slice.

02:19:26.000 Kimbo and Dada, and then Hoist and Ken, and then Fedor as well.

02:19:30.000 I think that's the car.

02:19:31.000 That's the rising car, right? 0.99

02:19:32.000 I'm going to get my fucking camo tap-out shirt out of the box, too, and put that shit on and go back to 2002. Do you have one with the yellow collar? 0.99

02:19:39.000 I did, man.

02:19:39.000 It was so sick.

02:19:41.000 I just say, hey, Bellator.

02:19:42.000 Hey, Bellator.

02:19:43.000 Let's do something new, man.

02:19:45.000 Let's try and get some fresh blood in there. 0.99

02:19:47.000 What they need to do is pay Benson a shitload of money and get him to go over there.

02:19:52.000 That's right.

02:19:53.000 How about that Michael Page guy?

02:19:55.000 Yeah.

02:19:55.000 He's fun.

02:19:56.000 He's fun.

02:19:57.000 He hasn't fought top competition, but he has the potential.

02:20:01.000 He's fun to watch. 0.99

02:20:02.000 He does a lot of wild shit. 1.00

02:20:03.000 A lot of wild shit. 1.00

02:20:04.000 A lot of wild results. 1.00

02:20:06.000 Crazy knockouts.

02:20:07.000 I wonder what's going to happen with him.

02:20:08.000 Uh, Ben.

02:20:09.000 It's a good question.

02:20:10.000 It's a very good question.

02:20:11.000 I heard some Korean organization offer him a ton of money.

02:20:14.000 Only $200,000 a fight.

02:20:17.000 Yeah.

02:20:17.000 That's not that much.

02:20:18.000 That's okay.

02:20:19.000 It's decent.

02:20:20.000 It's decent, but it's not enough to take a risk and leave the UFC, because who knows if they're even going to be around in a year.

02:20:25.000 Well, if they're going to be around, you can get sponsors when you're over there, no one's really watching.

02:20:30.000 That's not worth it.

02:20:31.000 Exactly.

02:20:31.000 That's not worth it.

02:20:32.000 Well, he's not getting any sponsors over here.

02:20:34.000 That's part of the problem. 1.00

02:20:35.000 You're going to pray to God they spell your name right and shit. 1.00

02:20:38.000 What? 1.00

02:20:39.000 What?

02:20:40.000 What?

02:20:40.000 Anderson Aldo?

02:20:42.000 Isn't that great?

02:20:43.000 How about they called Anthony Pettis the mauler? 0.99

02:20:45.000 That's fucking awesome. 1.00

02:20:46.000 That's so stupid. 1.00

02:20:47.000 I love it. 1.00

02:20:48.000 It's like someone inside the company is trying to sabotage it or something.

02:20:51.000 Yeah, I feel like there's someone in there just like, God, how can I fuck this up?

02:20:53.000 I think there's some dude who works for the company that he's on the underground, and he's like a secret saboteur, and he's going into the database and changing things after hours. 0.99

02:21:05.000 They're like, what the fuck? 0.96

02:21:06.000 They get there, the teachers are printed. 1.00

02:21:07.000 What the fuck is Anderson Aldo? 0.99

02:21:09.000 What is this? 0.99

02:21:10.000 He's like, oh, I already put it up.

02:21:11.000 And he's, ah!

02:21:12.000 Something has to be going on.

02:21:14.000 Who knows?

02:21:15.000 Who knows?

02:21:15.000 Maybe someone from Adidas.

02:21:17.000 Growing pains.

02:21:17.000 Adidas owns them.

02:21:19.000 Oh, they do?

02:21:19.000 Adidas owns Reebok.

02:21:20.000 They do?

02:21:21.000 They're like the red-headed stepchild. 0.56

02:21:22.000 Maybe it's someone from Nike.

02:21:24.000 Maybe Nike didn't like the deal, so they let Reebok get the deal, then they sabotaged the company with spyware.

02:21:30.000 That's only legit.

02:21:32.000 Like, it makes no sense to me.

02:21:34.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:21:35.000 For the design of the shirts, too.

02:21:37.000 How about that?

02:21:37.000 How about the design?

02:21:38.000 Like, would you guys spend 20 minutes? 0.99

02:21:41.000 It's just like there's some guy who's like, you think I can make these dumbasses wear this? 0.97

02:21:45.000 You think someone's gonna sign off on it? 0.99

02:21:46.000 I mean, if you just put that out on the internet and you said, come up with a design idea and, you know, we'll give you 50 grand or something like that, which is jack shit for Reebok. 0.99

02:21:57.000 Yeah, not shit. 0.89

02:21:57.000 Just get fans who are fans of the sport with Photoshop and you open yourself up to this just gigantic pool of people that come up with ideas. 0.89

02:22:06.000 You can get some dope stuff, man.

02:22:08.000 Oh my God, man.

02:22:09.000 Oh my God.

02:22:09.000 Phenomenal stuff.

02:22:10.000 And instead, they just basically, they didn't even spell the names right on all of them.

02:22:14.000 God.

02:22:14.000 You know, I mean, how much time was put into that?

02:22:18.000 It's just a bummer, man.

02:22:20.000 It is a bummer.

02:22:21.000 Bums me out.

02:22:22.000 Just because I love the UFC, it makes the UFC look bad. 1.00

02:22:25.000 Reebok, do whatever the fuck you want, but by signing this deal, now we look like dumbasses. 0.99

02:22:29.000 Only to the hardcore fans. 1.00

02:22:31.000 They're the only ones who even know about it.

02:22:32.000 Most people have no idea why anybody's wearing a Reebok pair of pants versus a thing.

02:22:36.000 I mean, you have to be deep in it like we are. 0.99

02:22:38.000 The average guy who's watching it, fucking Buffalo Wild Wings, he doesn't give a shit. 0.99

02:22:43.000 He doesn't give a shit, but also, that guy's not going to buy a fight kit. 0.99

02:22:47.000 You're right. 0.99

02:22:47.000 You know who else isn't going to buy a fight kit? 0.99

02:22:50.000 Me and you.

02:22:51.000 Just start going outside and pointing at people.

02:22:53.000 You'll be successful.

02:22:55.000 I agree.

02:22:55.000 I mean, you just can't.

02:22:57.000 Who's buying it?

02:22:58.000 Have you seen one?

02:22:58.000 Have you ever seen one?

02:22:59.000 I've never seen one.

02:23:00.000 I've never seen one.

02:23:00.000 Some guy tweeted me earlier today.

02:23:01.000 He goes, holy shit, Sean. 0.99

02:23:02.000 I'm seeing Conor McGregor fight kids. 0.99

02:23:04.000 Oh, that's different.

02:23:05.000 At the, you know, at the island people.

02:23:07.000 Yeah, but they probably smell like Guinness. 1.00

02:23:09.000 They put an American flag on Conor McGregor's shit. 1.00

02:23:12.000 I think they did that on the website. 1.00

02:23:15.000 What they did, though, also...

02:23:16.000 No, some guy ordered it and took pictures like, this can't be right.

02:23:20.000 Oh, God.

02:23:20.000 Really?

02:23:20.000 Yes.

02:23:22.000 Physically had it.

02:23:22.000 I was like, come on, man.

02:23:24.000 I got a fucking Conor McGregor shirt. 0.98

02:23:26.000 Well, how about the Ireland shirt that they made where they didn't include Northern Ireland? 0.99

02:23:30.000 That was a big one.

02:23:31.000 Oh my god.

02:23:32.000 That was a big one.

02:23:32.000 That's a massive insult to those people.

02:23:36.000 That's a massive insult.

02:23:38.000 Like, you're trying to sell the image of their land, and you don't...

02:23:41.000 I mean, this has been this historical dispute between the North and the South, and you're gonna not include Northern Ireland?

02:23:48.000 Dude, Conor McGregor's head coach was like, you guys better change that right now. 0.98

02:23:51.000 I'm ripping all this Reebok shit off my walls. 0.99

02:23:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:23:54.000 It's a big deal, man.

02:23:55.000 It's a huge deal for those guys.

02:23:56.000 It's just details, man.

02:23:57.000 It comes down to just details. 0.97

02:24:00.000 I'm sure Dana's getting so much shit from it, he's going to start focusing on it more. 0.98

02:24:04.000 I hope so. 1.00

02:24:05.000 But it's a fucking nightmare, man. 1.00

02:24:09.000 They've done nothing good. 0.99

02:24:10.000 Because at least if they were fucking things up, the guys were getting paid, it's like, don't worry, we'll figure it out.

02:24:15.000 And the fighters are like, it's all good, baby.

02:24:16.000 They can't do that when you're not paying guys.

02:24:18.000 That's exactly how fighters would be, too. 0.99

02:24:20.000 They wouldn't give a shit. 0.98

02:24:20.000 If you spell their name wrong, we'd give them half a million dollars. 0.98

02:24:23.000 I don't I don't give a fuck. 1.00

02:24:24.000 Call me Brandon. 1.00

02:24:25.000 Give me 500 grand.

02:24:26.000 Brandon Shaw.

02:24:27.000 I'll change it.

02:24:28.000 You want Brandon? 0.99

02:24:29.000 That's cool.

02:24:30.000 That'd be your nickname.

02:24:31.000 Brandon!

02:24:32.000 Brandon!

02:24:33.000 Shaw! 1.00

02:24:34.000 Just fucked up. 1.00

02:24:35.000 Brandon will be in quotes. 1.00

02:24:37.000 You just take that on as your new nickname.

02:24:39.000 Brandon.

02:24:41.000 It's like Sage Northcutt.

02:24:43.000 Someone tagged me on his Instagram.

02:24:44.000 He posts, oh, get my shirt for the fights tonight.

02:24:47.000 And the t-shirt's $34.99.

02:24:50.000 Well, that's an issue there.

02:24:51.000 And then Sage is getting such a big following. 1.00

02:24:54.000 Do your own shit, man. 1.00

02:24:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:24:56.000 We've been over this. 1.00

02:24:57.000 I beat it to a dead horse.

02:24:59.000 Reebok, you'll figure it out. 0.89

02:25:00.000 Well, you got a unique opportunity to do that because of the podcast.

02:25:03.000 And you connect with all these people, and then you have this network of people that listen to your stuff.

02:25:07.000 You give them a free podcast all the time.

02:25:09.000 They want to wear those Fighter and the Kid shirts.

02:25:10.000 They want to drink coffee out of the Fighter and the Kid mug.

02:25:14.000 It's hard for a fighter...

02:25:16.000 To establish all that stuff and get it going while they're in the middle of training camps.

02:25:20.000 I get that, too.

02:25:21.000 Managers.

02:25:22.000 Yeah, all that jazz.

02:25:23.000 Someone should recommend it to him.

02:25:24.000 Oh, yeah.

02:25:24.000 I mean, I think...

02:25:25.000 He shouldn't be focused on it.

02:25:26.000 Don't get me twisted.

02:25:27.000 Don't get it wrong.

02:25:28.000 I just feel like if you're not on that model yet, you're getting left behind.

02:25:32.000 It's true.

02:25:32.000 But, you know, these managers and these agents and stuff, they probably don't even know how to do it.

02:25:38.000 They're not even aware.

02:25:40.000 Because everybody's just concentrating on the fight game.

02:25:42.000 You have to diversify.

02:25:43.000 You're not making money doing that.

02:25:45.000 So you're taking 20% of his money that he already earned from Reebok?

02:25:49.000 That makes no sense.

02:25:50.000 How are you going to make money?

02:25:51.000 How much can a fighter make doing seminars?

02:25:53.000 Like when someone starts doing seminars?

02:25:55.000 How much can they make?

02:25:57.000 A decent money if you go on tours.

02:25:59.000 But that's a beast, man.

02:26:00.000 How much do they make?

02:26:01.000 Like how much can a guy, like a big name guy make for a day?

02:26:04.000 I'm not sure.

02:26:05.000 I'm not that, you know, I'm not a superstar, but you know, I was getting, I did a seminar once and I got like six grand.

02:26:12.000 That's pretty good.

02:26:13.000 That's pretty good.

02:26:13.000 How many people were in there?

02:26:16.000 It was in Canada.

02:26:18.000 I mean, it was packed.

02:26:20.000 It was packed.

02:26:21.000 A couple hundred?

02:26:21.000 Yeah.

02:26:22.000 No, maybe a hundred.

02:26:23.000 Maybe a hundred. 0.97

02:26:24.000 Yeah, Eddie Bravo does some pretty fucking big seminars. 0.92

02:26:26.000 I don't want to be rude, though, and ask him how much he makes. 0.76

02:26:29.000 But I would think that if you do a bunch of those, like in a row, like you do a gang of those...

02:26:34.000 That's a real living.

02:26:35.000 They have to be legit, though.

02:26:37.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:26:37.000 A lot of times when a guy is so technical and he's such a good fighter, he can't relate that in words very well.

02:26:45.000 So the seminar kind of sucks.

02:26:46.000 It also seems that jujitsu is the seminar that people want to go to. 0.98

02:26:50.000 It's very hard to get people to go to an MMA seminar, or very hard to get people to go to a Muay Thai seminar, or harder, but jiu-jitsu seminars are typically pretty fucking giant.

02:26:59.000 Well, I feel like jiu-jitsu is more lucrative, right?

02:27:01.000 Like, people who sign up for jiu-jitsu, especially in California, if you're going through that whole belt system, you gotta have some bank.

02:27:07.000 So they're gonna sign up for a jiu-jitsu seminar.

02:27:09.000 Machida does a shitload of seminars in Brazil, karate seminars. 0.83

02:27:12.000 Right, yeah, he does, yeah.

02:27:14.000 But his family has that background.

02:27:15.000 His brother, his dad can help.

02:27:16.000 It's a little different animal.

02:27:17.000 Yeah, and he's famous.

02:27:18.000 He's a former champion.

02:27:20.000 Super famous, yeah.

02:27:21.000 It's different if you're famous.

02:27:22.000 Yeah, it's an interesting thing.

02:27:27.000 Seminars.

02:27:28.000 Seminars are very fascinating to me.

02:27:30.000 And also, putting together a gym and making that gym a successful entity, a successful business, is so hard to do.

02:27:37.000 Do you know anything about Combat Sports Academy, the CSA, Kevin Ross trains out of, I guess Gina Carano's up there now, too.

02:27:44.000 I've heard of it.

02:27:45.000 Miriam Nakamoto.

02:27:46.000 I've heard of it. 1.00

02:27:47.000 Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker, the guy who runs that gym. 0.99

02:27:49.000 He knows what he's doing, and he's got a giant gym. 0.99

02:27:52.000 He's got a lot of members, and he puts on seminars and teaches people how to run gyms, how to successfully run gyms, and set up training programs, stuff like that.

02:27:59.000 That's brilliant.

02:28:00.000 Yeah, I want to go.

02:28:01.000 I should go to it sometime, just to watch.

02:28:03.000 I'd be good.

02:28:04.000 Yeah, we should go.

02:28:04.000 Yeah, I'd be good.

02:28:05.000 I think he does it annually.

02:28:06.000 I think he does it annually.

02:28:07.000 Just go and see what they're doing.

02:28:08.000 Because Onnit does that, too, though, a little bit, right?

02:28:10.000 Different, though.

02:28:11.000 Different.

02:28:11.000 I'm just saying they do a thing how you can qualify to be a trainer from Onnit Academy.

02:28:16.000 Right, but this is the difference being that it's training protocol, like John Wolfe does a lot of things, but it's all like kettlebells and steel maces and things like that.

02:28:25.000 It's exercises.

02:28:26.000 You know, there's a difference between teaching someone how to perform exercises correctly, like kettlebell certifications are pretty common, you know, like Pavel does a bunch of them, a bunch of different kettlebells.

02:28:41.000 Steve Maxwell does.

02:28:42.000 He has his own certification process.

02:28:44.000 I think Mahler, Mike Mahler does as well.

02:28:46.000 The real big name guys have these certification protocols because they figure out what's the best way to implement their training regimen, and then they teach it to people so they can teach it to other people.

02:28:55.000 And once you get the technique down, the movements down, stuff like that, but I think it's way more complex to get a bunch of people to sign up for your gym.

02:29:03.000 I think that's hard for people to do.

02:29:04.000 And he's teaching them how to run the gym and be successful?

02:29:07.000 I think so.

02:29:07.000 I'm pretty sure.

02:29:08.000 That's a motherfucker. 0.99

02:29:09.000 And I think also how to set up training schedules and calendars and how to peak fighters. 1.00

02:29:16.000 That's priceless. 0.74

02:29:17.000 He should be killing it. 1.00

02:29:18.000 There should be a ton of people in there. 1.00

02:29:20.000 A lot of people come to those things. 1.00

02:29:21.000 He should be killing it. 1.00

02:29:22.000 Because to learn that is priceless, man. 1.00

02:29:24.000 He's got some CrossFit shit going on, too. 0.96

02:29:28.000 Their Instagram post has a lot of his CrossFit game stuff, a lot of CrossFit classes and exercises. 0.98

02:29:35.000 So I think his gym is both a strength and conditioning gym and a Muay Thai gym.

02:29:39.000 Smart, man.

02:29:40.000 They have some MMA fighters there as well.

02:29:42.000 But it's like Muay Thai, it's very hard to get a lot of people to sign up for Muay Thai.

02:29:46.000 Not a lot of people want to get their face split open.

02:29:48.000 Not a lot of people want to get cut up by elbows.

02:29:51.000 Not the masses.

02:29:51.000 That's why jiu-jitsu is so lucrative.

02:29:53.000 Exactly.

02:29:54.000 You get old ladies to do jiu-jitsu. 1.00

02:29:55.000 Even CrossFit.

02:29:56.000 That's why CrossFit's so big, man.

02:29:58.000 Yeah.

02:29:59.000 It's hard to run a gym, man. 0.98

02:30:01.000 Even running a fucking 24-hour fitness or a LA fitness or something like that. 0.97

02:30:06.000 Since I was a kid, you know, my dad's a businessman. 0.98

02:30:08.000 Since I was a kid, a gym or a restaurant is not the way you want to go.

02:30:11.000 People ask me, are you going to start a gym?

02:30:12.000 Absolutely not.

02:30:13.000 The chance of you making legit money off that?

02:30:16.000 Good luck, man.

02:30:17.000 It's hard.

02:30:17.000 It's so competitive.

02:30:18.000 Unless you're some Scrooge McDuck. 0.98

02:30:20.000 Like Dan Lambert who doesn't give a fuck yeah who puts together some just I mean, I don't know I don't ever ask Dan, but I can't imagine how long it took him before ATT was Profitable takes a long ass time. 0.98

02:30:31.000 I'm sure it's probably profitable now because it's so big and so famous so popular I might be wrong. 0.98

02:30:38.000 He might just be doing it for the money.

02:30:40.000 He might be just breaking even, yeah.

02:30:41.000 He might be doing it for the fun rather than the money.

02:30:44.000 It's also, when you think about how many different schools and colleges produce professional football players, right?

02:30:54.000 They go from the high school system to the college system.

02:30:56.000 They go from the college system into the NFL. You know, I mean, there's the wealth of talent, nationwide, established These systems as these kids come up in.

02:31:08.000 It's about 300 a year.

02:31:09.000 So established, right?

02:31:12.000 MMA is not like that.

02:31:13.000 No.

02:31:14.000 You have these random professional gyms, and some of them, like, there's fighting, like, Johnny Hendricks left team takedown.

02:31:20.000 I know.

02:31:20.000 So what he's going to do is he's going to have someone fucking hold mitts for them and do some boxing work and then work out with, like, the Oklahoma State wrestling team and, like, whoa.

02:31:28.000 Is that what he's saying? 0.84

02:31:29.000 Yeah.

02:31:30.000 Yeah.

02:31:30.000 He's got to put together his own camp.

02:31:32.000 He's leaving Team Takedown.

02:31:33.000 That's tough, man.

02:31:34.000 It is tough.

02:31:35.000 And also, he lives in Dallas.

02:31:36.000 Team Takedown was in Dallas.

02:31:38.000 It's the big place in Dallas.

02:31:40.000 They came up together.

02:31:41.000 I think they had some sort of a problem because the Team Takedown thing, if I'm talking out of my ass here, because it's all just stuff I've read on the internet, but I believe what they did is they give the fighters a salary.

02:31:52.000 And they give them, you know, they set them up.

02:31:55.000 Room and board.

02:31:56.000 Take care of everything, but when the money starts rolling in, they get 50%.

02:32:00.000 God, dog, 50%?

02:32:02.000 We're talking about Johnny Hendricks, the champ.

02:32:04.000 Yep. 0.98

02:32:04.000 That'd be annoying as fuck. 0.98

02:32:05.000 Yep. 0.99

02:32:05.000 Well, he's not the champ anymore. 0.99

02:32:06.000 Yeah, but still, he was for a while.

02:32:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:32:10.000 You gotta wonder, you know, what's the most profitable way to do it.

02:32:13.000 50 is a lot.

02:32:14.000 50 is a ton, but also at the same time...

02:32:17.000 Was Johnny a guy that didn't have anything?

02:32:19.000 He's coming from Oklahoma from college and like, listen, we're going to invest all this money into you hoping you become the champ and then we'll get our money back on the investment.

02:32:26.000 Exactly.

02:32:26.000 And then did it happen?

02:32:27.000 Johnny was like, listen, I don't know the details. 1.00

02:32:29.000 Was Johnny like, fuck this, man. 1.00

02:32:30.000 It's too much money. 1.00

02:32:31.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:32:32.000 I mean, it's hard to tell.

02:32:34.000 It's hard to tell.

02:32:34.000 And then there's the argument that could be made where if you have a high-level champion like a Johnny Hendricks, it makes the whole gym better.

02:32:42.000 It's worth a lot of money to the gym just to have him training there.

02:32:46.000 100%.

02:32:47.000 That's huge, man.

02:32:48.000 Because it changes people's attitude about a gym.

02:32:50.000 It brings better guys into the gym.

02:32:52.000 100%.

02:32:53.000 Here's a perfect example.

02:32:55.000 Muscle Farm.

02:32:56.000 You found out that TJ just moved to Muscle Farm.

02:32:58.000 Everybody went, whoa, hold on.

02:33:00.000 That's a ballsy move by Muscle Farm.

02:33:02.000 That's a gangster move, right?

02:33:03.000 Yeah.

02:33:04.000 You get a guy like Matt Brown's there, too.

02:33:07.000 You get a guy like Matt Brown.

02:33:08.000 So you got Matt Brown and you got TJ Dillashaw.

02:33:10.000 Okay, you're making moves.

02:33:11.000 You got Matt Brown, you got T.J. Dillashaw, you got Brandon Thatch, Neil Magny.

02:33:16.000 Yep, yep, yep.

02:33:17.000 Neil Magny just beating Calvin Gaslam.

02:33:19.000 That raises it big time.

02:33:21.000 Those are gangster moves, right?

02:33:24.000 That's how you get a gym popular.

02:33:26.000 So now here we are talking about the Muscle Farm gym.

02:33:28.000 If they didn't do that, would we be talking about it?

02:33:30.000 No.

02:33:30.000 Well, Rampage was training there years ago.

02:33:32.000 Did we talk about it?

02:33:33.000 He was like the first one.

02:33:34.000 We didn't talk about it.

02:33:35.000 How about Sage?

02:33:35.000 You know Sage Northcutt left TriStar?

02:33:38.000 He did?

02:33:38.000 Yeah.

02:33:39.000 His dad pulled him from TriStar.

02:33:40.000 What?

02:33:41.000 Yeah.

02:33:41.000 When?

02:33:42.000 That's in the recent article I read.

02:33:44.000 His dad took him out of TriStar.

02:33:45.000 He's training in Dallas now. 0.98

02:33:46.000 Some local gym in Dallas or some shit like that. 0.95

02:33:49.000 Or wherever he's from in Texas. 0.99

02:33:50.000 Whoa.

02:33:52.000 Station, whatever.

02:33:53.000 Hmm.

02:33:53.000 I wonder what that's all about.

02:33:54.000 I don't know.

02:33:56.000 French girls.

02:33:57.000 They'll get you.

02:33:58.000 They'll get you.

02:34:00.000 Bonjour! 1.00

02:34:01.000 Sage has to just fucking... 1.00

02:34:03.000 If he doesn't, I don't know. 1.00

02:34:06.000 I wouldn't want to change his fucking sheets. 0.99

02:34:08.000 I wouldn't want to fucking be the person who has to wash that kid's sheets. 1.00

02:34:13.000 You know? 0.98

02:34:16.000 The amount that just must fly out of his body in the middle of the night from his dreams. 1.00

02:34:20.000 Like fucking Spiderman. 1.00

02:34:21.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:34:23.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

02:34:24.000 He's gonna have a tough road as far as distractions go.

02:34:28.000 But hey, worst things could happen to you.

02:34:30.000 I agree.

02:34:31.000 It's a good thing. 1.00

02:34:32.000 Or he might just fly off the fucking handles. 0.99

02:34:34.000 See, North Scott Prince returned to TwiStar after UFC Fight Night 80. Eyes, future acting, modeling gigs. 0.99

02:34:39.000 Oh, it's over.

02:34:40.000 Well, yeah.

02:34:41.000 It's over.

02:34:41.000 Hey, man.

02:34:42.000 Acting and modeling gigs.

02:34:43.000 You got a long ways to go in the UFC. Let's talk about modeling and acting.

02:34:46.000 Yeah.

02:34:46.000 Well, maybe he just sees the potential for money and realizes he can only fight so much.

02:34:51.000 I mean, that's always possible.

02:34:53.000 That is always possible, man.

02:34:54.000 I mean, look, you have to think about it that way.

02:34:56.000 Look at what's going on with you.

02:34:58.000 Look at how much more money you make now doing your podcast than you were making when you were fighting and how much easier it is for you.

02:35:04.000 It's not even close.

02:35:04.000 Not even close.

02:35:06.000 And the podcast is growing every month.

02:35:09.000 I saw you guys were in the top ten of all the podcasts in the world the other day.

02:35:12.000 Yeah.

02:35:12.000 Holla.

02:35:13.000 Holla.

02:35:14.000 Hello, episode.

02:35:14.000 Scooch.com coming, son.

02:35:15.000 Whatever the fuck it was. 1.00

02:35:16.000 It's crazy. 0.99

02:35:17.000 And on top of that, you're doing these live shows that are selling out months in advance.

02:35:21.000 Yeah.

02:35:22.000 And that's super profitable.

02:35:23.000 And all that comes to you.

02:35:24.000 It doesn't have to go through the UFC. You make your own schedule.

02:35:28.000 No one tells you what to do or what not to do, what you can and can't say.

02:35:31.000 You don't get some angry phone call from somebody that says, why'd you say that?

02:35:35.000 You're not supposed to talk about that. 0.99

02:35:37.000 You talk about whatever the fuck you want. 1.00

02:35:38.000 I can't believe my life, man. 0.99

02:35:39.000 I'm doing the best I've ever done in my life.

02:35:41.000 So a kid like this sees...

02:35:43.000 The possibilities of the future and he goes look you got to take what you can take You got to take what's there.

02:35:48.000 You don't put it aside to try to pursue like this Potentially lucrative Career as a UFC champion.

02:35:56.000 You know what the difference is though is he's what 19?

02:35:59.000 Yeah, he's 19. He's a freak athlete He's already getting notoriety He's not he's not gonna Be able to take that step into movies like Rhonda did or George St. Pierre unless he's super successful.

02:36:12.000 So if he already has one foot out the door now, you're about to get eight the fuck up in that division at 155. Yeah, maybe.

02:36:20.000 Or maybe he doesn't really have one foot out the door.

02:36:23.000 Maybe these are just things that come his way.

02:36:25.000 He says, sure, if I have the time.

02:36:26.000 I mean, who knows what kind of dad, son, relationship he has, or how disciplined he is.

02:36:31.000 I don't know.

02:36:32.000 Only time will tell, but all the trappings are laid out in front of him.

02:36:36.000 When you see that, I mean, and that's what we kind of missed with the Ronda Rousey thing.

02:36:40.000 We didn't really talk about it.

02:36:42.000 She had been able to pull it off.

02:36:43.000 She was so successful.

02:36:44.000 We thought she was the exception.

02:36:46.000 The exception.

02:36:47.000 And then Holly Holmes said, nah, check this out.

02:36:49.000 Whack! 1.00

02:36:50.000 Ain't no exceptions, motherfucker! 1.00

02:36:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:36:53.000 That's why I think that fight was good for martial arts.

02:36:55.000 Because it showed you.

02:36:56.000 You can't violate the rules of engagement.

02:36:59.000 You have to be prepared for any type of engagement.

02:37:03.000 Yeah, it's a fight.

02:37:04.000 Well, Connor said that.

02:37:05.000 He goes, I let no distractions.

02:37:07.000 You know, I think everyone can learn from the Rhonda fight.

02:37:09.000 There's no distractions for me.

02:37:11.000 Smart.

02:37:12.000 And he goes, I've been offered movie, TV deals.

02:37:14.000 He goes, I do not care about that.

02:37:16.000 There's no distractions for me. 1.00

02:37:17.000 When I hear that, I'm like this motherfucker. 0.98

02:37:20.000 Because if Ronda didn't do all those things, if she put all those things aside and just went to a Spartan-like existence from the jump and never varied from her course and had outstanding training every step of the way, you're talking about a truly unusual athlete. 0.98

02:37:37.000 Truly unusual outlier of an athlete.

02:37:40.000 Someone who's got that kind of focus and drive.

02:37:44.000 It's going to be interesting to see what happens, man.

02:37:47.000 It'll work out.

02:37:49.000 For the rest of the world.

02:37:51.000 Well, hopefully it works out for her.

02:37:53.000 Yeah, well...

02:37:55.000 I mean, yeah, hopefully.

02:37:57.000 But then again, hopefully it works out for Holly, too.

02:37:59.000 I agree, man.

02:38:01.000 You have to kind of look at it that way.

02:38:02.000 But what's work out?

02:38:03.000 Like if, you know, I know Rhonda's not materialistic, but when you say work out, if you're talking about bank account, yeah, she's fine.

02:38:08.000 But it's more than that for her.

02:38:10.000 Of course.

02:38:10.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:38:11.000 So work out depends.

02:38:12.000 She's fine because of the way she lives.

02:38:14.000 She's not living like Scrooge McDuck.

02:38:18.000 That's true.

02:38:19.000 You know, she's pretty frugal for someone who's very wealthy. 0.96

02:38:23.000 She has a small house, you know?

02:38:25.000 She's not balling out of control. 0.53

02:38:27.000 No.

02:38:28.000 So think of that, but then also think about what does she do now, you know?

02:38:33.000 She had an opportunity for real greatness and for a moment had achieved it.

02:38:38.000 She had this opportunity to be the first ever UFC women's pathway champion. 0.99

02:38:42.000 She took it and then ran with it, smashed everybody in front of her and became this gigantic fucking superstar until she fought Holly. 1.00

02:38:50.000 But now it's like the whole fucking game board has changed. 0.99

02:38:55.000 Everything's changed. 0.99

02:38:57.000 The reality has changed.

02:38:58.000 Everything has shifted.

02:39:00.000 And you need to adjust to this new reality.

02:39:04.000 I feel like women's fighting is kind of similar to boxing. 1.00

02:39:09.000 In boxing, if you lose a fight, you're kind of fucked. 0.97

02:39:11.000 In women's division, it's not that deep. 1.00

02:39:14.000 So when you lose a fight, you're kind of fucked. 0.99

02:39:16.000 There's an asterisk. 0.99

02:39:17.000 As soon as you lose, it's kind of like...

02:39:18.000 Yeah, no, you were great, but there's a little asterisk here now.

02:39:21.000 Right.

02:39:22.000 And men, it's not that way.

02:39:23.000 So let's say Conor and Jose, you know, they can go back and forth.

02:39:27.000 They're going to be fine.

02:39:29.000 Maybe.

02:39:30.000 Maybe.

02:39:30.000 It's interesting.

02:39:31.000 It's interesting, right, man?

02:39:32.000 So interesting.

02:39:32.000 And you know what?

02:39:33.000 How about the fucking strawweight division? 0.98

02:39:35.000 It's so shallow that you've got Paige Van Zandt, who I love. 0.98

02:39:39.000 She's fucking so scrappy and aggressive, but she's already number seven. 1.00

02:39:44.000 She's 3-0. 0.99

02:39:45.000 How about Rose's?

02:39:46.000 I think Rose's record's 2-3 or something.

02:39:48.000 I think Rose's ranked number 12 or something.

02:39:50.000 Is that what she's ranked?

02:39:50.000 Yeah, I think she's higher than that, isn't she?

02:39:52.000 She might be higher than that. 0.78

02:39:53.000 I mean, there's some girls ranked like... 1.00

02:39:54.000 Oh, yeah, I'm talking about the guy Uriah's fighting is ranked number 12. She's ranked number 3?

02:39:59.000 Rose's?

02:39:59.000 Yeah, Rose is badass.

02:40:00.000 Her record's like 2-3 or something.

02:40:01.000 She's phenomenal. 1.00

02:40:02.000 She's badass. 1.00

02:40:03.000 Phenomenal.

02:40:03.000 And she's wild, and she does a lot of really explosive things.

02:40:07.000 She's dangerous. 1.00

02:40:09.000 Very, very dangerous. 0.99

02:40:10.000 But that is a goddamn great fun fight, right? 0.94

02:40:13.000 But there's not a lot of those in that division. 0.93

02:40:15.000 There's not.

02:40:16.000 It's like, she's like, for Paige, being that young and that talented, and that, like, she's fun!

02:40:22.000 Like, she's smiling.

02:40:23.000 She's great! 0.97

02:40:23.000 It's all fun and games until you win that fight and you fight fuckin' Ioana. 0.97

02:40:27.000 Gotta fight that demon. 0.99

02:40:28.000 Who's gonna fuckin' rearrange your face. 0.99

02:40:30.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:40:31.000 In five rounds. 0.98

02:40:32.000 Uh, or, Claudia Gadea, who's a fuckin' destroyer as well. 1.00

02:40:36.000 Claudia's nasty, man. 1.00

02:40:37.000 That girl's nasty. 1.00

02:40:38.000 You know what I heard? 0.98

02:40:39.000 I heard...

02:40:40.000 I'm not breaking news.

02:40:42.000 It's probably kind of a rumor.

02:40:43.000 They might announce it already in the press conference, but Klaja and Joanne are the next tough coaches.

02:40:48.000 Ooh.

02:40:49.000 I like that.

02:40:50.000 Do you?

02:40:51.000 Yeah.

02:40:52.000 I like that.

02:40:53.000 I like that fight.

02:40:54.000 I love the fight.

02:40:56.000 Split decision.

02:40:57.000 Yeah.

02:40:57.000 Phenomenal fight.

02:40:58.000 Yeah.

02:40:58.000 It's a good fight.

02:40:59.000 Oh, you don't like them as coaches? 0.99

02:41:00.000 I don't give a fuck with coaches, honestly. 0.99

02:41:02.000 I don't like drama. 0.99

02:41:03.000 If I want to watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, I'll watch drama.

02:41:06.000 You know?

02:41:07.000 I want to watch fights.

02:41:08.000 I want to watch fights.

02:41:09.000 I'm with you, Joe, but the Ultimate Fighter is a long process.

02:41:13.000 Yeah.

02:41:14.000 No, I understand.

02:41:15.000 I don't particularly like the fights on the Ultimate Fighter that much.

02:41:20.000 No, I don't either.

02:41:20.000 I could be wrong with it.

02:41:21.000 That's a rumor I heard.

02:41:22.000 It's from a legit source, but...

02:41:25.000 Yeah.

02:41:26.000 Most of the guys in The Ultimate Fighter, I appreciate the fact that they're learning and they're getting better, but when guys get gassed out in the middle of the first round...

02:41:32.000 That's tough.

02:41:33.000 It's all like...

02:41:34.000 I know how hard it is to even do what they're doing.

02:41:38.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:41:39.000 I'm not demeaning them.

02:41:40.000 But in order for me to really want to pay a lot of attention to fighters, they have to achieve a certain level.

02:41:47.000 Because you've seen that level.

02:41:48.000 Right.

02:41:48.000 I've seen it too many times.

02:41:49.000 So I see so many...

02:41:50.000 Like Uriah Hall, when he was on The Ultimate Fighter, I was like, ooh, okay.

02:41:55.000 He could do some damage. 1.00

02:41:56.000 This motherfucker could do some damage. 1.00

02:41:58.000 Yes. 1.00

02:41:58.000 Robert Whittaker, same thing. 1.00

02:41:59.000 I was like, ooh, okay.

02:42:01.000 You know, there's guys.

02:42:03.000 There's guys you see.

02:42:04.000 They go, all right.

02:42:04.000 It's rare, though.

02:42:06.000 It's rare.

02:42:06.000 Like last night or whatever, early, not last night, two days or whatever, they asked me on The Ultimate Fighter, who do you think can be successful in the UFC? Who would you pay money to see?

02:42:16.000 My answer was no one.

02:42:18.000 Probably no one right now.

02:42:20.000 They have a long ways to go.

02:42:21.000 Actually, to get to the UFC, they have a long ways to go.

02:42:24.000 The answer is the guy who's the youngest, who's the most focused, who has the most attention you could put to it, who's the best athlete, who's in the best camp.

02:42:32.000 Best camp.

02:42:33.000 All those things.

02:42:34.000 Like you can you capitalize on your experience there and learn and grow?

02:42:37.000 It's a great farm system.

02:42:39.000 It's a great farm system The problem is you're taking like people that you know, they might not be fully grown.

02:42:45.000 They haven't sprouted yet They're not they're not and you're throwing them right into the the mixed martial arts Super Bowl.

02:42:51.000 It's interesting because yeah exactly because the alternate fighters used to be guys where you You know, 2-0, 3-0, and then, you know, you're on that show, and then you kind of have a huge following, and then you're in the UFC and can have a couple of build-up fights, but at least you have a fan base.

02:43:04.000 Well, now, it's like these guys, they get launched right into the mix.

02:43:08.000 Like, I think, you know, I fought Roy Nelson, which I had no business fighting at the time, and then, like, six months later, I was fighting Gabriel Gonzaga.

02:43:15.000 I went from fighting a guy in the Ultimate Fighter with two fights to Gabriel Gonzaga. 0.99

02:43:19.000 I was like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:43:19.000 Former heavyweight championship contender. 0.99

02:43:22.000 Yeah, man.

02:43:22.000 I was like, Jesus Christ.

02:43:24.000 Yeah, that is the trickiest thing about going from that show right into the big leagues. 0.97

02:43:30.000 What the fuck happened in that one dude that fought Efrain Escudero and Efrain beat him? 0.95

02:43:37.000 Everybody was all hyped up on him. 0.99

02:43:39.000 Dana was like, he's like an Anderson Silva.

02:43:40.000 Oh, he's fighting Felipe Nova.

02:43:42.000 He's fighting tonight.

02:43:43.000 Is he?

02:43:44.000 I think he's on the card.

02:43:45.000 I think so. 1.00

02:43:46.000 He was a fucking talented kid. 1.00

02:43:48.000 He's one of those guys, you see him against guys who are of a lesser caliber, and he looks like a monster. 0.99

02:43:55.000 Yeah, but let's never call him Anderson Silva ever again, everybody.

02:43:59.000 Well, you know, I think it's hard to judge when you're watching people that are fighting people that aren't that good. 0.96

02:44:04.000 God damn, he looks shredded there, though. 0.98

02:44:05.000 He does look shredded. 1.00

02:44:06.000 He's a henzo guy.

02:44:08.000 But didn't he have some weird problem where he was, like, blacking out?

02:44:12.000 Didn't he have some serious issue?

02:44:14.000 Like he would have a fainting spell or something like that?

02:44:18.000 A medical issue?

02:44:18.000 Like a fainting goat thing?

02:44:20.000 Yeah, it was something wrong.

02:44:21.000 He was out for a while and then he was fighting all around.

02:44:24.000 And then he got back to the UFC. Yeah, he fought other places.

02:44:28.000 I'm just looking at Rose and Van Zandt.

02:44:30.000 Is that the sexiest fight of all time?

02:44:32.000 I hate to be sexist.

02:44:33.000 Oh, dude.

02:44:34.000 Is that Tim Means versus John Howard? 0.98

02:44:37.000 Are you fucking kidding me? 1.00

02:44:38.000 That's the dirty bird, son. 1.00

02:44:39.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:44:40.000 I didn't even know this is happening. 1.00

02:44:42.000 This is tonight?

02:44:44.000 What?

02:44:45.000 Is it on now?

02:44:46.000 Actually on now?

02:44:47.000 Is it on Fight Pass?

02:44:53.000 Really?

02:44:53.000 Whoa.

02:44:54.000 Jesus Christ.

02:44:55.000 Okay, so there's a few fights before you get to Tim Means. 0.99

02:44:58.000 That is a fucking bang-up fight, man. 0.98

02:45:01.000 That's a great fight. 1.00

02:45:02.000 Tim Means is nasty. 0.98

02:45:03.000 He's nasty.

02:45:04.000 I mean, he got caught by Matt Brown, but not after he tagged Matt Brown.

02:45:08.000 That was a fun fight, man.

02:45:10.000 It was a very fun fight.

02:45:11.000 The Dirty Bird's fun to watch.

02:45:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:45:12.000 He's super technical.

02:45:14.000 And he's an Albuquerque guy outside of Jackson's gym.

02:45:18.000 He's at that other gym.

02:45:19.000 What's it, NHB or something like that?

02:45:20.000 I forget.

02:45:22.000 I forget.

02:45:23.000 I should pull it up.

02:45:27.000 I'm not sure, but Tom is his trainer.

02:45:30.000 Why am I drawing a blank?

02:45:34.000 John Howard.

02:45:35.000 Tom Vaughn.

02:45:36.000 Tom Vaughn is his trainer.

02:45:37.000 To say what's Jim or no?

02:45:39.000 I'll find out.

02:45:40.000 She's a Jim Miller is a good one. 1.00

02:45:43.000 Oh, yeah, Chiesa. 1.00

02:45:45.000 I always fucked up. 0.99

02:45:46.000 I know, I didn't even know that Jim Miller was fighting. 1.00

02:45:50.000 Oh, fuck yeah, that Koran won. 1.00

02:45:51.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:45:53.000 Kaylee Koran.

02:45:54.000 Yeah.

02:45:54.000 She's a little beast.

02:45:56.000 Goddamn, there's some crazy ass fights going on. 1.00

02:45:59.000 It's crazy. 0.99

02:45:59.000 What an amazing time. 0.99

02:46:01.000 These three days are nuts.

02:46:03.000 It's almost like there's an overwhelming wealth of goodness that happens over three days.

02:46:08.000 My brain's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:46:10.000 Yeah.

02:46:11.000 Man.

02:46:13.000 This is what's going on right now?

02:46:15.000 This fight?

02:46:16.000 Yeah?

02:46:16.000 Guy's got some great tattoos.

02:46:19.000 Guy's got a set of hair on him.

02:46:21.000 It's an awesome time to be an MMA fan.

02:46:23.000 Are you going to go to EBI on Sunday?

02:46:26.000 Is this Sunday?

02:46:26.000 Eddie Bravo and it's Inventational?

02:46:27.000 Yeah.

02:46:28.000 Are you going? 1.00

02:46:28.000 Yeah, fuck yeah. 1.00

02:46:29.000 You want me back? 1.00

02:46:29.000 I'll go with you. 1.00

02:46:30.000 Yeah.

02:46:30.000 What time?

02:46:32.000 I got a wild ride, man.

02:46:34.000 I fly in early in the morning.

02:46:36.000 I think it starts at...

02:46:39.000 I want to say it starts at 4, 3 or 4, Eddie thinks it starts.

02:46:44.000 I don't know.

02:46:45.000 I'll go for sure.

02:46:46.000 Maybe it starts at 5. Let's talk about it.

02:46:48.000 I'll find out what time it starts.

02:46:49.000 Yeah, yeah, let's talk about it.

02:46:49.000 Well, let's find out what time the Eddie Bravo Invitational starts.

02:46:54.000 I knew I had enough time to get home and take a nap, and then head out.

02:46:58.000 It's almost sold out, folks, if you're thinking about going.

02:47:02.000 Five o'clock.

02:47:03.000 Five o'clock?

02:47:04.000 Two days, 23 hours from now.

02:47:05.000 And what's the name of the theater?

02:47:10.000 Oh, it's at the...

02:47:11.000 The venue?

02:47:15.000 The Orpheum in downtown, which is an awesome theater. 0.98

02:47:18.000 It's a really cool fucking old theater. 0.93

02:47:20.000 But it might be sold out now. 0.98

02:47:23.000 It was real close to sold out up until like last night.

02:47:30.000 So it might already be sold out. 0.55

02:47:32.000 But if you want to go see a really fucking exciting jujitsu competition and you're interested in martial arts, you're interested in jujitsu, even if you've never competed, you've never trained, This is the one to go to. 0.50

02:47:44.000 Because, first of all, it's like a great bunch of killers that are inside the brackets, including Gary Tonin, who's one of the best in the world in no-gi grappling. 0.98

02:47:56.000 He's fucking sensational. 1.00

02:47:57.000 He's a killer. 1.00

02:47:58.000 And Danny Propagos, who as a brown belt, he was a world champion. 0.97

02:48:05.000 Nathan Orchard is in this, who's also one of Eddie's black belts, who's elite.

02:48:08.000 There's a whole bunch of really good, high-level talent.

02:48:11.000 And the system that Eddie's created, the way they reset the fights, they battle it out, they have a certain time limit, and then after that time limit, if no one has finished anybody, Then they put them in positions, like they'll start off with you on a guy's back,

02:48:27.000 with an over-under hook, with both hooks in.

02:48:30.000 And you say, ready, go.

02:48:31.000 And then if he taps you, then you get to start in that same position.

02:48:35.000 And it's sort of like overtime rounds in wrestling.

02:48:38.000 Sick.

02:48:38.000 It's a great idea.

02:48:39.000 At first I was like, boy, I don't know about that.

02:48:42.000 But then you see it live, you go, oh, this works. 0.93

02:48:45.000 And it's fucking super exciting. 0.92

02:48:47.000 It's by far the most entertaining and most well-done jiu-jitsu show there is, I think. 0.84

02:48:50.000 What's the website that they can go to if they want to?

02:48:53.000 EddieBravoInvitational.com.

02:48:54.000 That's what it is.

02:48:56.000 EddieBravoInvitational.com.

02:48:58.000 And if you want, you might be able to still get a couple of tickets for the Orpheum, but it might be sold out.

02:49:03.000 But you can watch it online at BudoVideos.

02:49:05.000 What is it?

02:49:06.000 BudoVideos.com.

02:49:08.000 Go there, and I'm sure Eddie Bravo's Twitter page has all the information, as well as 10thPlanetJJ.com.

02:49:15.000 I think we're out of time.

02:49:17.000 Are we out of time yet?

02:49:18.000 Yeah.

02:49:19.000 Awesome, man.

02:49:20.000 It's been fun.

02:49:21.000 Always.

02:49:21.000 We got a lot to talk about.

02:49:22.000 We broke it down.

02:49:24.000 This is a wonderful time if you're an MMA fan.

02:49:27.000 It's the best, man. 1.00

02:49:28.000 This is shit. 1.00

02:49:29.000 It's the best. 1.00

02:49:30.000 All right, brother.

02:49:30.000 Finally Kid Live Tour.

02:49:32.000 Oh, yeah.

02:49:32.000 San Francisco, Sacramento, Portland, Seattle, San Diego, Vegas, baby.

02:49:37.000 A lot of that shit sells out in advance. 1.00

02:49:39.000 So get on it, you fucks. 1.00

02:49:41.000 All right. 0.98

02:49:41.000 Thank you, everybody, and we'll see you next week. 0.98

02:49:43.000 Bye.

02:49:48.000 I feel great, I feel nice.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 10, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #734 - Brendan Schaub

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