The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #739 - Duncan Trussell & Christopher Ryan

00:00:02.000 How strong are these?

00:00:03.000 Shouldn't have two, right?

00:00:06.000 I definitely wouldn't have two of those.

00:00:08.000 Okay.

00:00:09.000 It's 240 milligrams of caffeine. 1.00

00:00:12.000 Yeah, fuck that. 1.00

00:00:12.000 No, I can feel it rising inside of me. 1.00

00:00:14.000 Yeah, baby.

00:00:15.000 See, why you want to ruin Star Wars?

00:00:16.000 What?

00:00:17.000 I was kidding!

00:00:20.000 I'm not gonna do that, man.

00:00:22.000 I heard a lot of people were saying that they heard it was crap and that it wasn't good, but everybody I know that saw it said it was awesome.

00:00:29.000 I loved it. 0.95

00:00:30.000 You loved it.

00:00:31.000 I went with people who didn't like it.

00:00:33.000 It's like, what are you thinking, man?

00:00:34.000 What did you think we were gonna go see?

00:00:36.000 It's called Star Wars.

00:00:38.000 Like, it's the most obvious kind of thing.

00:00:41.000 I don't know why people have expectations for Star Wars.

00:00:44.000 What was the expectations?

00:00:47.000 I guess they're looking for a plot.

00:00:52.000 I guess they're looking for some kind of deep meaning or something like Quentin Tarantino or some Kubrick-esque thing.

00:01:02.000 It's Star Wars.

00:01:03.000 It's a space opera.

00:01:06.000 Go in there.

00:01:08.000 With no expectations, be happy for the colors.

00:01:11.000 That's it.

00:01:12.000 The beautiful colors.

00:01:13.000 And then after that, if there's something else, it's things flying through space and lasers.

00:01:18.000 It's a very confined genre.

00:01:20.000 It's very confined.

00:01:21.000 And you know it's not going to step outside of the box.

00:01:23.000 It's not going to be weird sexually.

00:01:25.000 It's not going to have some strange murder tension.

00:01:28.000 There's not going to be any unrequited love.

00:01:31.000 There's going to be just some normal space themes with Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey.

00:01:37.000 That's it.

00:01:37.000 It's mixed in with a lot of mystical stuff that you can connect to, which is beautiful.

00:01:41.000 It's great.

00:01:42.000 I had a great time.

00:01:42.000 Have you ever heard Lucas talk about his friend Joseph Campbell?

00:01:45.000 Like, literally wrote Star Wars based on Joseph Campbell's steps of a hero's journey.

00:01:51.000 It's fascinating.

00:01:52.000 They were good friends.

00:01:53.000 Yeah, The Hero with a Thousand Faces is his classic book.

00:01:57.000 Yeah.

00:01:57.000 Have you seen his interviews with Bill Moyers?

00:02:00.000 Yes.

00:02:01.000 The Power of Myth?

00:02:01.000 That was fantastic.

00:02:03.000 He's awesome.

00:02:03.000 Or was awesome.

00:02:04.000 So Joseph Campbell used to go up and give a lecture at Lucas Ranch every year on mythology.

00:02:10.000 What's Lucas Ranch?

00:02:11.000 Where George Lucas made Star Wars.

00:02:13.000 Oh, George Lucas Ranch.

00:02:13.000 Oh, okay.

00:02:14.000 Up in, I think it's Marin or Sonoma.

00:02:16.000 And so he would go up when they were working on the original Star Wars and give a lecture to the crew, everybody, about mythology every year.

00:02:24.000 And then when Campbell died, your friend and mine, Stanley Krippner, filled in for him.

00:02:29.000 Oh, wow.

00:02:30.000 That's interesting.

00:02:31.000 Wow, Stanley's amazing, too.

00:02:32.000 What an interesting guy that was.

00:02:34.000 I just saw him a week ago.

00:02:35.000 Duncan happened to text me while I was talking with doing a podcast with Stanley or just finished.

00:02:40.000 And I said, oh, you've got to meet my friend Duncan.

00:02:42.000 He's really interesting.

00:02:43.000 He's a comedian, but he's really into the spiritual stuff.

00:02:46.000 And he just got back from hanging out with Ram Dass in Hawaii.

00:02:50.000 And Stanley says, well, does he know that Ram Dass was a stand-up comedian for a time?

00:02:56.000 I feel like he got him mixed up with Timothy Leary.

00:02:58.000 Because I know Timothy Leary went on a tour doing some kind of thing called stand-up.

00:03:04.000 But I don't think Ram Dass did it.

00:03:07.000 But I know Timothy Leary tried stand-up.

00:03:10.000 Well, he said he saw him in the village, in a club.

00:03:13.000 Ron Doss?

00:03:14.000 Ron Doss, yeah.

00:03:15.000 Well, hey, why not?

00:03:16.000 He's probably on acid.

00:03:17.000 Richard Alpert.

00:03:18.000 Alpert. 1.00

00:03:18.000 He's probably thinking, fuck it, why not? 1.00

00:03:20.000 Let me give it a shot. 1.00

00:03:21.000 I mean, he's a great speaker, and he is pretty funny.

00:03:24.000 Yeah, you said he's a very humorous guy to talk to, right?

00:03:26.000 Yeah, he's super funny, yeah.

00:03:28.000 Yeah.

00:03:28.000 Which is, I've noticed that seems to be a quality in people who have a real spiritual practice.

00:03:34.000 They're funny.

00:03:34.000 They're always funny.

00:03:35.000 They always have this real specific non...

00:03:40.000 Bullshit style of humor.

00:03:42.000 It's really hard to offend them. 0.97

00:03:44.000 Quite often that's how I can tell if somebody's got a real practice is they're usually impossible to offend.

00:03:51.000 Like there isn't anything that you can say that's gonna make them upset. 0.87

00:03:55.000 But you know, the alarm bells start going off in my mind when you get around people Who you say something and you see, oh shit, I triggered the alarm system.

00:04:04.000 I have offended this person, which is really curious to me. 0.97

00:04:07.000 How are you in tune with the universe and yet still something that a monkey descendant says out of the end of his feeding tube causes you to feel revolted? 0.51

00:04:20.000 You're so vulnerable. 1.00

00:04:21.000 If you're so tough, why are you such a pussy, essentially, psychically? 1.00

00:04:26.000 Well, it's like the opposite of tough. 1.00

00:04:28.000 No, yeah, but I agree.

00:04:30.000 Like, sophisticated.

00:04:32.000 Like, you know what's going on.

00:04:33.000 The way they've described it, or I've heard it described, which is super cool, whenever Ram Dass talks about his guru, Neem Karoli Baba, Is that there was nothing there.

00:04:44.000 Like, there's no obstruction.

00:04:47.000 Like, anything that...

00:04:48.000 Everything was just sort of going through this person, you know?

00:04:50.000 As opposed to, like, me, I get on the phone with Bank of America, they've frozen my card because I went to Australia, and, like, I'm... 0.99

00:05:00.000 Seething with rage, you know, like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:05:03.000 I'm in another fucking country! 1.00

00:05:05.000 I have to check in with my fucking bank, you know, or whatever it is that, like, triggers you to freeze up. 0.99

00:05:12.000 Some people, they get to the point, theoretically, where that, like, convulsive seizure-like freezing up doesn't happen. 0.99

00:05:20.000 I'll tell you, I can get that in spurts.

00:05:22.000 I can get that in spurts from yoga.

00:05:24.000 And here's how I can prove it. 0.99

00:05:25.000 A guy fucking nailed me on the highway while he wasn't paying attention. 0.99

00:05:28.000 Hit the brakes, skid. 1.00

00:05:30.000 I watched him plow into my fucking car, my white Porsche, the expensive one. 0.99

00:05:34.000 And it's a rare car, too. 1.00

00:05:36.000 I'm like, fuck, I hope he didn't total the car. 0.98

00:05:38.000 I got out, and the first thing I said was, are you okay? 0.99

00:05:41.000 Eh.

00:05:41.000 I go, I'm okay.

00:05:42.000 We're cool.

00:05:43.000 And I literally wasn't upset at all.

00:05:45.000 I wasn't upset, but I've been doing yoga like four days a week, and I was a little high, you know, probably still from the afternoon.

00:05:52.000 I was probably like at least under the influence of cannabis to the point where I was like a little bit more relaxed, but I just...

00:05:59.000 I can only get there for bursts.

00:06:01.000 When you're busy with work and life and it can overwhelm and you get mad at someone doing a shitty job parking. 1.00

00:06:08.000 Like, come on, fuckhead. 1.00

00:06:09.000 Park your fucking car, stupid. 1.00

00:06:11.000 You're backing up again. 1.00

00:06:13.000 Oh my God, look at this retard. 1.00

00:06:14.000 You're backing up again. 0.99

00:06:15.000 And then I'll be like, I'll catch myself like, why?

00:06:17.000 I'm not even talking to this guy.

00:06:19.000 This guy's in a car, you know, 100 feet from me and I'm openly mocking him out loud.

00:06:25.000 Yeah, and corroding your insides as you do it.

00:06:28.000 I heard Wim Hof talking about this, and maybe it was on your podcast.

00:06:33.000 He was talking about being under the ice and his retinas froze, and he couldn't find the hole to get out.

00:06:38.000 And whoever he was talking with asked him, like, so, you know, what was the panic like?

00:06:44.000 And he said, well, you know, when I'm in those situations, or like when I got lost in a whiteout on Mount Everest in my shorts, there's no stress.

00:06:54.000 Because then it's all just like it takes you back to yourself, to who you really are.

00:06:59.000 And I know in my core I am like, you know, competent and, you know, confident.

00:07:07.000 And so he was saying like it's been demonstrated that you can generate more stress hormones lying in your bed and just thinking about something stressful.

00:07:16.000 Oh, wow.

00:07:16.000 Then what actually happens when you're in a moment of actual danger, you sort of shift into another gear.

00:07:23.000 Like when that car hit you, that changed your whole world, right?

00:07:26.000 It's like now you're framing it as, am I going to survive this?

00:07:30.000 Well, I knew I was going to survive because he wasn't going that fast.

00:07:32.000 But I was thinking that my car was going to be towed.

00:07:34.000 And you're watching them in the rearview mirror?

00:07:36.000 Yeah, I was stopped.

00:07:37.000 Dude, some guy almost hit me today.

00:07:40.000 On his phone, with his phone literally on the steering wheel, as he's texting and driving, it just went right into my lane.

00:07:47.000 It's constant.

00:07:48.000 People are constantly doing it.

00:07:49.000 They're just not paying attention.

00:07:50.000 And if something happens, when the guy rear-ended me, the lane was closed for some reason, like construction, so everybody had gotten to that on-ramp on Hollywood or the 101 in Highland.

00:08:02.000 You know that exit?

00:08:03.000 And it was shut down for whatever reason.

00:08:05.000 So we were all stopped in a big line.

00:08:07.000 And this dude just barely paid attention. 1.00

00:08:09.000 And then all of a sudden, shit! 1.00

00:08:11.000 And I could see his face gritting his teeth and pulling his face. 1.00

00:08:13.000 I'm watching in my rear view, tensing up.

00:08:16.000 Bang! 1.00

00:08:17.000 My car stalls out, goes flying into another lane.

00:08:20.000 That's where you don't want to be on a motorcycle.

00:08:22.000 Oh my god, yeah.

00:08:23.000 Oh my god, yeah.

00:08:24.000 That's so dangerous.

00:08:26.000 If you get hit like that on a motorcycle, you might be paralyzed.

00:08:29.000 You might be dead.

00:08:30.000 Easily.

00:08:31.000 And you can't get off in time.

00:08:32.000 And it's not your fault.

00:08:32.000 That's the thing.

00:08:33.000 I rode a bike for seven and a half years, and I always felt like I've got everything under control, but there's that.

00:08:40.000 There's those wild parts.

00:08:41.000 Do you jump off? 0.97

00:08:41.000 If you have the time, do you jump off and get the fuck out of the way? 0.97

00:08:44.000 Well, I never... 0.96

00:08:45.000 I wasn't like a competitive, you know, racer.

00:08:49.000 If you're stopped dead and you see a guy coming from behind you...

00:08:52.000 Do you jump off?

00:08:53.000 Or do you let it hit you? 1.00

00:08:54.000 What the fuck do you do? 0.99

00:08:55.000 I don't know, but I'll tell you, you're hyper aware of all the space around you on a bike. 1.00

00:09:00.000 So I'm always, if I'm stopped, and I know, like on a highway situation, I'm always watching behind me.

00:09:06.000 Yeah, you have to be.

00:09:07.000 Because you feel, you develop that vulnerable sense. 1.00

00:09:09.000 Fuck that, man. 1.00

00:09:10.000 Bikes are scary. 1.00

00:09:11.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:09:11.000 Remember Bill Burr telling us what it, he was, I guess at the Ice House, he's like, riding a motorcycle is like, imagine sitting on the hood of your car, driving that way. 1.00

00:09:21.000 Fuck that! 0.99

00:09:23.000 It's like, you look down at the road buzzing by you at 70 miles an hour, and it's like, I could reach out my toe and just grind it off, you know? 1.00

00:09:30.000 Yeah, but it's like a metaphor for so many other things in life, right?

00:09:35.000 Do you really want to have the illusion of separation?

00:09:41.000 Or are you actually safer being intimate with the danger of what's going on, so you're hypervigilant?

00:09:49.000 Because in a car, you're looking at your phone, you're fucking with the radio, because you've got this sense that I'm in a room and everything's cool until you hit the tree, you know?

00:09:58.000 There's definitely that. 0.63

00:09:59.000 You can definitely get too detached, and as things get more and more automated, it's gonna be weirder and weirder.

00:10:05.000 Now you can tell your car things, like you've used that Hey Siri function.

00:10:10.000 Yes.

00:10:11.000 So you ask your car to text people, text people, tell it to send.

00:10:15.000 Last time I was on your podcast, you and I did this whole thing, and I saw a bunch of people tweeted like, man, it fucked up my phone!

00:10:23.000 I shut it off.

00:10:24.000 They're listening to the podcast in the car.

00:10:26.000 I shut it off.

00:10:26.000 Because I'm like, how hard is it for me to press the button?

00:10:28.000 All I have to do is press the button and then I say it.

00:10:31.000 You know?

00:10:32.000 I don't have to do the hey Siri thing.

00:10:35.000 But my point being is they have the Teslas now that they're coming with...

00:10:39.000 They have a new download that allows you to have your car automate itself.

00:10:44.000 Like, you set the directions and it navigates.

00:10:47.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

00:10:47.000 It drives.

00:10:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:48.000 It fucking drives itself. 1.00

00:10:50.000 So, like, then it's going to get real weird when we switch back and forth between that and then actual driving. 0.99

00:10:56.000 Like, the space out factor of people, like, when they have to drive again, they might not be used to it.

00:11:02.000 Yeah, it's the space between automation and like semi-automation and full automation that is going to be really dangerous.

00:11:09.000 But man, the dream is you leave your house, your car looks like a little living room, a little pod with a couch in it, coffee maker, a TV, and you just sit on the couch.

00:11:22.000 Tell the car or take me to Vegas.

00:11:24.000 And it just takes you there.

00:11:26.000 And you just relax and you sleep.

00:11:27.000 You can look out the window.

00:11:29.000 The interstates are just going to look like houses.

00:11:31.000 Yeah, but you miss you with your aviator sunglasses on, the wind blowing your hair.

00:11:36.000 Your driving gloves.

00:11:36.000 Yeah, driving gloves.

00:11:37.000 How about driving shoes?

00:11:38.000 Let's get crazy.

00:11:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:40.000 There's little nubs on them.

00:11:41.000 She has driving shoes? 1.00

00:11:42.000 That's so funny.

00:11:45.000 You're shifting the gears.

00:11:46.000 Let's say you have like an old Fiat or something cool where you look like you're a poet or something.

00:11:51.000 Sure.

00:11:52.000 I'm sure there are people back...

00:11:54.000 Scarf over your shoulder.

00:11:56.000 I'm sure there are carriage drivers who are like, imagine, think of missing the lash as it slaps onto the horse's back.

00:12:05.000 The smell of the farts.

00:12:06.000 Yeah.

00:12:07.000 I'm sure there's a nostalgia attached to antiquated technologies, but it's like, sure, great, but I'm going to be sitting in my pleasure pod with VR goggles on as I get taken to Florida.

00:12:21.000 Pleasure pod.

00:12:22.000 We're off the sacred river flows.

00:12:25.000 But you're missing the pleasure of the wooden wheel losing traction on the muddy road.

00:12:30.000 Exactly.

00:12:31.000 The box and A non-aerodynamic box being dragged by horses starts to go sideways near the edge of the cliff, and you're like, what an adventure!

00:12:38.000 What a great time to be alive!

00:12:40.000 Well, I don't even have to ride the horse.

00:12:42.000 I can ride in a box behind the horse.

00:12:44.000 Modern technology is awesome.

00:12:46.000 Progress.

00:12:47.000 And you'd be in that box with fine silk, like velour seating.

00:12:51.000 Yeah.

00:12:51.000 Women with push-up bras.

00:12:54.000 They have corsets. 0.88

00:12:55.000 They all have corsets.

00:12:56.000 Lots of ruffles.

00:12:58.000 Big flowy skirts. 1.00

00:12:58.000 Fucking bandits. 1.00

00:13:00.000 Imagine trying to bang a chick in one of those skirts. 1.00

00:13:02.000 What a disaster. 0.99

00:13:04.000 You gotta make a choice. 1.00

00:13:05.000 Either you don't see her vagina, or you don't see her face. 1.00

00:13:08.000 It's one of the others. 0.99

00:13:09.000 It's one of the others.

00:13:11.000 You can't have it both ways.

00:13:13.000 It's like, if you push that thing up, she's gone.

00:13:18.000 Let you go! 1.00

00:13:19.000 I wanna see you!

00:13:20.000 I wanna see you too!

00:13:23.000 Hold on.

00:13:24.000 Let me get to it.

00:13:25.000 That's funny. 1.00

00:13:27.000 You know Hasidic Jews have sex through a sheet with a hole cut in it? 1.00

00:13:31.000 My friend John used to have a joke about it. 0.98

00:13:33.000 That the women used to look at the clothesline and see who had the biggest hole. 1.00

00:13:39.000 John Tobin.

00:13:40.000 I like to think about that stuff, man. 1.00

00:13:43.000 Someone had to be the first person to be like, you know what, let's put a big sheet over you and cut a hole right over your pussy so I don't see you anymore. 1.00

00:13:52.000 That didn't evolve, did it? 1.00

00:13:54.000 You don't even touch.

00:13:55.000 It's not just to not see you.

00:13:57.000 Your bodies don't touch together.

00:13:59.000 So someone invented that, though, right?

00:14:00.000 There was a person who's like, I've got an idea. 1.00

00:14:02.000 Let's start putting the women in blankets and fucking a hole. 1.00

00:14:06.000 Right? 1.00

00:14:07.000 It doesn't evolve, right, Chris?

00:14:08.000 It's like there's one person who's incredibly... 0.98

00:14:13.000 Crazy, I guess. 0.96

00:14:14.000 Well, it may have evolved.

00:14:16.000 You know, it may have just been like a hanky over someone's face initially, you know, and then it grew.

00:14:22.000 You never know.

00:14:23.000 It may have started as a blindfold.

00:14:25.000 But it implies a communication about it.

00:14:27.000 Like, you have to tell your friends, like, well, you know, I put a handkerchief over her face last night.

00:14:32.000 Maybe you guys should start doing that.

00:14:34.000 Well, even crazier that it took off.

00:14:36.000 It's not like one guy doing it.

00:14:38.000 Like, Hasidic Jews, it's a huge population of people in America.

00:14:42.000 Right.

00:14:42.000 Like, in New York City, there's a very big community of Hasidic Jews.

00:14:47.000 Yeah.

00:14:47.000 And they're all doing that with a blanket?

00:14:49.000 I don't know if they all do it.

00:14:51.000 I don't know.

00:14:51.000 It's a sheet, right?

00:14:52.000 And I think the women all shave their heads and wear wigs, too. 1.00

00:14:56.000 Good.

00:14:56.000 Good, shave it.

00:14:56.000 See, I see it as an expression.

00:14:58.000 No makeup either.

00:14:58.000 No makeup and no talking.

00:15:03.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:15:03.000 They have to shave their heads and wear a wig. 1.00

00:15:06.000 Well, I think about it.

00:15:08.000 And the Arabs make them cover their hair, right? 1.00

00:15:10.000 Hair is erotic.

00:15:11.000 I think it's an expression of anti-eroticism, anti-pleasure, right? 1.00

00:15:15.000 You're only fucking to have kids. 1.00

00:15:17.000 There's no pleasure involved. 0.99

00:15:18.000 So we're going to do as much as possible to remove everything that isn't purely functional.

00:15:23.000 How bizarre.

00:15:25.000 You know, you're talking about the Tesla thing.

00:15:27.000 The thing that's bizarre about that is in the fine print it says it's in beta.

00:15:31.000 You want your car?

00:15:32.000 A self-driving car that's in beta?

00:15:35.000 No thanks!

00:15:36.000 It says that, that they're not responsible for any accidents, so you should always, you know, watch the road and be prepared to step in if something goes wrong.

00:15:44.000 Like, well, thanks for nothing! 0.92

00:15:46.000 Back in my computer-making days, I used to have friends that would get the latest builds of software, of operating systems, rather, and so they would run, like, beta versions of, like, new Windows operating systems, and the shit was always crashing. 0.82

00:16:00.000 But it was kind of half of the fun.

00:16:02.000 Half of the fun for those guys was like saying, hey man, I'm using Windows NT, you know, blah, blah, blah, and this is the new shit, and it's really only for servers, so I have to have a workaround with certain drivers for video cards. 0.72

00:16:14.000 Jesus. 0.97

00:16:14.000 There's all this crazy shit they used to do. 0.97

00:16:16.000 Remember those, like, when you got Windows, you had to get this giant pack of disks? 0.98

00:16:23.000 Remember that?

00:16:23.000 There were so many, man.

00:16:25.000 Remember, it was like sometimes you'd get two of these tubes filled with those things.

00:16:29.000 Remember you would start off with a floppy?

00:16:31.000 Yeah.

00:16:32.000 You'd have to start out with a floppy.

00:16:33.000 That was like your install disk?

00:16:34.000 Your boot disk.

00:16:35.000 Is that how it worked?

00:16:35.000 Yeah, the floppy was like, you'd stick that in, then you'd have to stick CD-ROMs in.

00:16:39.000 Like, what in the fuck? 0.99

00:16:41.000 My first exposure to computers was when I worked in real estate in New York, in the Diamond District, full of Hasidic Jews. 1.00

00:16:48.000 That's how I know this.

00:16:49.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:16:51.000 And the guy had a computer the size of a refrigerator, and one of my jobs was to back up the discs every week.

00:16:57.000 And you'd pull out these drawers and put this thing down and turn it and pull it out, and the disc was about that big.

00:17:03.000 Wow!

00:17:03.000 You're showing your hands like a large open album.

00:17:07.000 Oh, sorry, that's right.

00:17:07.000 Bigger than an album.

00:17:08.000 Yeah, like a large pizza.

00:17:10.000 A large pizza?

00:17:11.000 Yeah.

00:17:11.000 How many gigs was on that?

00:17:13.000 I don't know.

00:17:13.000 I think it was megabytes.

00:17:15.000 Oh my god, that's hilarious.

00:17:17.000 Isn't that hilarious?

00:17:17.000 This was like 86 or so.

00:17:19.000 That's so funny.

00:17:20.000 Wow.

00:17:21.000 It's so funny, like the amount of storage space that we have now.

00:17:24.000 It's kind of nuts.

00:17:25.000 And then also like that so much of it is in the cloud.

00:17:28.000 Yeah.

00:17:28.000 Like if you'd notice like on the new iPhone software, it doesn't download all your songs.

00:17:35.000 It shows you all your songs, but when you go to play them, it streams them. 0.98

00:17:39.000 Yeah, I don't get that because I want the shit on my phone so if I'm not connected or I don't have to pay for the data, it's my fucking stuff. 0.95

00:17:47.000 I got, you know, 128 gigs on my phone. 0.99

00:17:49.000 Fill it with music.

00:17:50.000 I can't figure out how to do it.

00:17:51.000 Well, you set it so that it's available offline and then you download all of them.

00:17:56.000 You have to download all of them.

00:17:57.000 It's super annoying.

00:17:58.000 I did it in the hotel the other day.

00:18:00.000 It's like now downloading 847 songs. 0.99

00:18:03.000 And I was like, what the fuck? 0.98

00:18:05.000 But, you know, when you're in a place that doesn't have cell phone service and you go to your music list, I was trying to use it in the gym. 0.99

00:18:10.000 There was no service. 1.00

00:18:11.000 I was like, oh, you fuckers. 1.00

00:18:12.000 It's not on my phone. 1.00

00:18:13.000 And I had to figure it out.

00:18:16.000 That's the complaints.

00:18:17.000 Back in the day, that wasn't your complaint.

00:18:19.000 Back in the carriage and horse days. 0.97

00:18:21.000 Don't catch the cholera as they're on your fucking slippery ride over the top of the mountain where you might wind up eating all your friends because you get stuck up there. 0.88

00:18:29.000 That's crazy, man, that we are constantly surrounded by some cloud of invisible data that consists of all information that has ever been recorded. 0.98

00:18:39.000 That's crazy. 0.96

00:18:41.000 Did you hear about that guy that was, oh, he went to sea, he got shipwrecked at sea for like over a year with another guy, and he made it by like drinking rainwater and eating turtles and all kinds of crazy shit, but it's the nuttiest story. 0.99

00:18:56.000 He's like on a raft for a fucking year. 0.96

00:18:58.000 But his companion's family is now suing him because they say that he ate them. 0.99

00:19:04.000 Yeah.

00:19:05.000 He ate the other guy.

00:19:06.000 Right.

00:19:06.000 I heard about that.

00:19:07.000 Is this the Mexican guy?

00:19:08.000 The two Mexican fishermen?

00:19:09.000 Are they Mexican?

00:19:10.000 I don't know.

00:19:11.000 I don't know if they're Mexican.

00:19:12.000 But just the thought behind it.

00:19:14.000 Jamie, see if you can find a story.

00:19:15.000 Just the thought behind it.

00:19:17.000 And being sued.

00:19:17.000 That's what's funny.

00:19:18.000 It's cannibalism. 0.96

00:19:20.000 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 It's not a criminal complaint.

00:19:22.000 It's a civil suit.

00:19:23.000 I don't know what it is.

00:19:25.000 Because I don't know if it's American.

00:19:26.000 I don't know if they have a different legal system.

00:19:28.000 I don't even know what it is.

00:19:29.000 But I don't even know if they're suing or if they're trying to accuse him of it.

00:19:33.000 Of murdering him or something?

00:19:34.000 Or eating him. 0.66

00:19:35.000 It's the eating that bothers them. 0.99

00:19:36.000 But if he's dead, eat him.

00:19:38.000 Well, that's what I say. 1.00

00:19:39.000 Eat me if I die.

00:19:40.000 But what they say is that this guy...

00:19:42.000 Good T-shirt, by the way.

00:19:44.000 ...was claiming that he kept the dude on the boat with him for company for six days, then threw him overboard. 0.99

00:19:48.000 Yeah, he sued for $1 million for eating shit, man. 0.99

00:19:51.000 But here's the thing. 1.00

00:19:52.000 How they prove...

00:19:55.000 How do you even accuse a guy?

00:19:57.000 I think he talked about it.

00:19:59.000 He talked about eating him?

00:20:00.000 Yeah, because he's Salvadorian, but they were in Mexico and they got swept out.

00:20:04.000 I've read about this one.

00:20:06.000 So he talked about eating the guy?

00:20:07.000 Yeah, so I think that's how they...

00:20:09.000 But in the story, it says that he just threw the guy overboard.

00:20:13.000 It seems like you would want your family member to have, like, given his life for somebody.

00:20:18.000 It kind of makes your family member a hero.

00:20:20.000 Lots of cultures eat their dead, you know, when someone dies, they eat them. 0.58

00:20:25.000 Yeah, and it's an honor.

00:20:26.000 That is incredible.

00:20:27.000 More than a year, let's see.

00:20:29.000 See if he admitted, Jamie.

00:20:31.000 See if anywhere he admitted.

00:20:33.000 He paid this guy to accompany him on a short fishing trip off the coast of Mexico.

00:20:38.000 Wow.

00:20:40.000 Yeah, and he wrote a book, so they want the money from the book.

00:20:44.000 Yeah.

00:20:45.000 That's what they're doing.

00:20:45.000 Yeah, you might be right.

00:20:49.000 Or, he might have ate that dude.

00:20:51.000 You know, there's a...

00:20:52.000 He looks like he did.

00:20:54.000 He looks like he'd eat a dude.

00:20:55.000 You know, I used to think, I think most people think, some cultures were just cannibals for the hell of it, you know? 0.71

00:21:01.000 Like, they were just especially evil, like the Aztecs or whatever.

00:21:05.000 Right.

00:21:05.000 And then others just weren't.

00:21:06.000 But, you know, if you think about it, it doesn't make sense.

00:21:08.000 The Europeans killed just as many people as the Aztecs did. 0.99

00:21:11.000 They were just as ruthless. 0.98

00:21:12.000 They're burning them at the stake, you know?

00:21:14.000 They even cook them, but they didn't eat them, right?

00:21:16.000 Right.

00:21:16.000 So then I read this guy, Marvin Harris, this anthropologist who wrote a book called Cannibals and Kings.

00:21:22.000 He went back and looked at societies that were cannibalistic and those that weren't, especially in the South Pacific, because some islands were, some islands weren't, whatever.

00:21:31.000 And in Latin America.

00:21:32.000 And what he determined was that the societies that were cannibalistic Yeah.

00:22:02.000 Or dogs or animals that eat the same food as humans.

00:22:05.000 So you need to domesticate an animal that doesn't eat what humans eat.

00:22:08.000 So it's not competing, right?

00:22:10.000 And there were none in North America.

00:22:12.000 So that's why they were cannibals. 0.98

00:22:13.000 Wow.

00:22:15.000 That's crazy.

00:22:15.000 That's fascinating.

00:22:17.000 It's also important to note that one of the key tenets of Catholicism involves a kind of metaphysical cannibalism, which is, you know, the communion.

00:22:27.000 The body of Christ.

00:22:28.000 The body of Christ.

00:22:29.000 And they call that...

00:22:31.000 The conversion of the wafer into the flesh of Christ, they have a name.

00:22:35.000 They think that when the priest is doing the ritual, it's turning it into the flesh of Jesus.

00:22:41.000 Right, the trans... 1.00

00:22:42.000 Transubstantiation is the name for it.

00:22:45.000 And that's where you're shifting the wafer into the flesh of a God that you're eating.

00:22:50.000 That's totally real.

00:22:51.000 Well, it's totally real.

00:22:52.000 Totally real.

00:22:53.000 You can taste it.

00:22:55.000 To get the right stuff if it's kosher.

00:22:57.000 Many of them do think that it is real.

00:22:59.000 I'm sure.

00:23:00.000 It's God flesh, which is actually a really old...

00:23:02.000 That's a very old tradition, which is you eat a God. 0.85

00:23:06.000 You eat the sacrifice God to get its energy or something.

00:23:09.000 Well, it had to all originate within theogens.

00:23:12.000 There's no doubt that at all.

00:23:13.000 Immediately what I thought of is the Amanita Muscaria where the psychoactive component stays active after it's metabolized. 0.99

00:23:21.000 So the piss of the shaman who's eaten Amanita Muscaria will get you high as shit. 0.99

00:23:26.000 So they fed them piss. 1.00

00:23:28.000 Apparently Amanita Muscaria is very hard to get right.

00:23:31.000 I've never gotten high off of it.

00:23:33.000 We tried it once.

00:23:35.000 It didn't work. 0.96

00:23:36.000 But then we tried psilocybin mushrooms with it, and we had a fucking insane journey.

00:23:41.000 So they might have worked together in a sort of synergistic way, but apparently by itself it's really hard, and they think that it might be a geographical variant, and then also seasonally, and then genetically.

00:23:56.000 You have to get the right stuff, and the right stuff might not even exist in most places anymore.

00:24:00.000 Right.

00:24:01.000 That's pretty interesting, isn't it?

00:24:02.000 All the lost...

00:24:06.000 Pharmacology, the stuff that we'll never even know about, like...

00:24:09.000 Soma.

00:24:09.000 Soma, yeah.

00:24:10.000 What is it?

00:24:11.000 They don't know.

00:24:11.000 What is this stuff?

00:24:13.000 You hear about this all the time, all of these old technologies that are just gone.

00:24:17.000 And the Ellusian Mysteries.

00:24:19.000 You know, I didn't realize this until recently.

00:24:22.000 The Champs Elysees, or however you pronounce it in Paris, that's the Ellusian mushrooms.

00:24:28.000 Oh, wow.

00:24:29.000 That's what it translates as Ellusian mushrooms.

00:24:32.000 Champs, right?

00:24:32.000 Champignones.

00:24:35.000 Unquestionably, without a doubt, there were people that lived a long time ago that discovered psychedelic plants.

00:24:40.000 Yes, for sure.

00:24:41.000 They had to have.

00:24:42.000 And all you have to just consider, I mean, this is the most rational way to look at it.

00:24:46.000 If you lived at that time, and you had no science, you had some myths and fables, and you had some rules to live by, and you found those things, you would think that you had found God.

00:24:59.000 Right.

00:25:00.000 If you just ate, you don't have a scale, you're just eating these mushrooms that you find, and you eat 10 grams of them, good lord, you're gonna meet God.

00:25:09.000 You, like, literally will be transported to God. 1.00

00:25:11.000 And everybody, you know, people will listen to this kind of shit, and they'll go, oh man, that's so stupid, you know, you're just tripping, you're just hallucinating. 1.00

00:25:18.000 You gotta take this into consideration, I know I've said it before, but it is important to repeat. 1.00

00:25:23.000 When you have an experience, it doesn't matter if that experience is like you could put it on a scale or hit it with a stick.

00:25:29.000 It's a real experience.

00:25:32.000 No one's saying that you're meeting God when you do mushrooms.

00:25:38.000 But what I am saying is it's the same thing as meeting God.

00:25:42.000 The experience is so profound that it would be like doing that.

00:25:48.000 When you do DMT, perfect example, it is like meeting the highest power It's like meeting a god.

00:25:57.000 It's like meeting a sea of gods.

00:26:00.000 It feels like it.

00:26:01.000 There's a place where things can be both true and untrue, I think.

00:26:05.000 And what you're talking about is that overlap.

00:26:08.000 For me, it's where, you know, like placebo effect.

00:26:11.000 You say, well, it's just a sugar pill.

00:26:13.000 Yeah, it's just a sugar pill, but it has demonstrable, measurable, repeatable effects on people.

00:26:18.000 Hypnosis is another one. 0.97

00:26:19.000 Like, well, how the fuck does that work, right? 0.79

00:26:21.000 Nobody's explained this. 0.96

00:26:23.000 And I think when you're talking about seeing God, that is ultimately a subjective experience that happened or didn't.

00:26:32.000 And if it did, then it did. 0.86

00:26:33.000 And there's no one from outside who can say, it's just bullshit or that's some sort of Richard Dawkins denial of the sacred. 0.98

00:26:41.000 Right. 0.99

00:26:42.000 Because you experienced it.

00:26:44.000 And so I'm sort of sympathetic.

00:26:46.000 I mean, I trash religion as much as the next guy, but I'm sympathetic for the experience of someone who says, look, I go there, I have these rituals, I smell that stuff, I was raised in this tradition, and I am transported to another world that makes my life better.

00:27:02.000 I can't say that's not real. 0.99

00:27:05.000 Despite the bullshit of the Bible or whatever. 0.99

00:27:08.000 No, I agree with you. 0.99

00:27:09.000 You know what I think is problematic is the label.

00:27:11.000 Like, even how I said it.

00:27:13.000 Like, you'll meet God.

00:27:14.000 Like, that word is so loaded.

00:27:17.000 That's a big part of the problem.

00:27:19.000 A big part of the problem with just the idea of religious ideas.

00:27:23.000 Like, forget about...

00:27:25.000 The words that you're using, whether you're using the word prayer or scripture or whatever the name you have for your deity, those are just noises you're making and they correspond to whatever the cultural context is of the Hindu god or the Christian god.

00:27:45.000 But if you just think of the feeling, The feeling of wanting to be a good Christian, right?

00:27:52.000 The feeling of wanting to please God, not by blowing up abortion clinics or any of those, none of the wacky aspects of it that we sort of connect to it when we think about like radical, fundamental religion on any side of the fence,

00:28:07.000 right?

00:28:08.000 But the feeling that you're getting, like you're feeling, if you're all together in church and you really are praising his name, You really are praising the idea of this loving God that wants fellowship and wants camaraderie and brotherhood.

00:28:22.000 Whatever that feeling is and whatever that thought is, take out all the words, Jesus Christ and praise Jesus and Buddha and Muhammad and Allah.

00:28:33.000 Take out all those words and what is the feeling?

00:28:36.000 That feeling is the search for this positive feeling.

00:28:40.000 This positive source, like this thing that ultimately we can all eventually reach if we put aside all of our ridiculous monkey behavior and greed and jealousy and anger and lust and just get to us at our very best.

00:28:56.000 You know, and it's almost like it's like a guide to get you there.

00:28:59.000 But we get tripped up on the words that are attached to the guide, like the word God or the word Muhammad or the word Allah or, you know, Krishna.

00:29:08.000 Yeah, Krishna.

00:29:09.000 Go down the line. 1.00

00:29:10.000 And the fucking parasites that latch on to this and, you know, start selling shit and, you know, making a structure around it. 1.00

00:29:18.000 Changing it. 1.00

00:29:19.000 Rules.

00:29:20.000 Controlling people with it.

00:29:21.000 Duncan started off talking about how you can recognize someone, not just as a spiritually enlightened person, but as just a person you want to hang out with, if they are really hard to offend, if they have a good sense of humor.

00:29:33.000 If they don't have a sense of humor, there's something wrong.

00:29:38.000 But you think about the Old Testament God. 1.00

00:29:40.000 He's the most easily offended motherfucker imaginable. 0.99

00:29:44.000 You know, like the book of Job. 1.00

00:29:45.000 Have you ever read the book of Job? 0.99

00:29:47.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.98

00:29:48.000 Like, Job is this, you know, great guy, does everything he's supposed to do, everything's cool, and the devil and God are hanging out one day, and the devil's like, The devil says, like, people don't really like you so much, man. 0.99

00:30:02.000 You know, you think everybody loves you.

00:30:03.000 And God's like, of course people love me.

00:30:04.000 Look at Job.

00:30:05.000 He's perfect.

00:30:06.000 He does everything I tell him.

00:30:07.000 And the devil's like, yeah, but he only does what you tell him because you've been good to him. 1.00

00:30:11.000 Fuck with him a little bit and you'll see what happens. 1.00

00:30:13.000 So God, being the fucked up asshole that he is apparently, killed Job's wife and kids. 1.00

00:30:21.000 But you know, that's not a... 1.00

00:30:22.000 I mean, it's not meant to be taken literally, though.

00:30:24.000 I mean, that's not a literal...

00:30:26.000 That's a story of the fact that no matter...

00:30:28.000 Word of God, Duncan, of course it's to be taken literally.

00:30:32.000 How dare you question what... 1.00

00:30:33.000 What kind of truck driver motherfucker... 1.00

00:30:35.000 This is how cocky Duncan is. 1.00

00:30:36.000 Duncan is like, well, I think what Jesus really meant...

00:30:41.000 I think God wasn't so good with his words back then.

00:30:45.000 And since I've gone to college in Asheville, North Carolina.

00:30:48.000 He's got a PhD out here.

00:30:50.000 I've been talking to God.

00:30:51.000 God gave me a PhD.

00:30:53.000 But no, I think that you run into trouble if you start looking at mythology as though that's really what it means.

00:31:01.000 But look at the God that's being depicted there. 1.00

00:31:06.000 Whatever the story is, he's jealous, he's capricious, he's cruel, he's a fucking alcoholic father. 1.00

00:31:14.000 So if you look at the universe, like right now, at this moment, mothers are dying of cancer, kids are getting exploded by bombs, dogs are attacking fucking old people in the park. 1.00

00:31:27.000 You know what I mean? 0.93

00:31:29.000 The story of Job has always struck me more as a kind of like...

00:31:34.000 The story of how, look, man, you can't understand the infinite.

00:31:38.000 Like, when I step on an ant, you know what I mean?

00:31:41.000 To me, it's like, well, I stepped on an ant today, but for whatever that ant's tiny little subjective universe happens to be, I've completely obliterated it.

00:31:50.000 I wiped it out.

00:31:51.000 That ant could never possibly understand the interaction that just happened there, but it was a real interaction. 0.99

00:31:57.000 So it seems like the story of Job is more like, What the fuck are you, universe? 0.96

00:32:01.000 This incredible thing that I'm surrounded by that seems to, very capriciously, at random times, just destroy people and lives. 0.99

00:32:11.000 And like, shit man, I just heard about this family driving under an underpass, and like a concrete block fell out of a truck, landed on the goddamn Range Rover, Bam! 0.99

00:32:21.000 Entire family zapped out of this universe. 1.00

00:32:25.000 And to me, Job was...

00:32:26.000 That's what the story is, is like, how can someone be a servant of love, like what you were talking about?

00:32:32.000 How can someone connect to this desire to, like...

00:32:36.000 Give love and happiness and joy into the universe when at any second guaranteed for any human being there could be and there will be a tragedy more devastating than anything you could ever imagine because that's just the way the world works.

00:32:51.000 You're gonna die, your wife, Your family, your friends, this is the reality we're in, and how in that kind of swirling vortex of chaos and violence do you find a place where regardless of all of that, 0.99

00:33:06.000 you will still be committed as much as you can to do that thing you did on the road when the fucking car hit you. 1.00

00:33:13.000 Instead of getting out and fucking pummeling the guy because your adrenaline's flowing, you ask, hey, are you alright? 1.00

00:33:19.000 That's wild. 0.99

00:33:20.000 I mean, to you it might seem like not that big a deal, but if everyone on planet Earth started doing that, whoa, holy shit, it'd be a whole new... 0.92

00:33:28.000 I think, I mean, I agree with what you're saying, but I think there's an underlying assertion of the cruelty of the universe that I think is distorted. 0.88

00:33:40.000 Okay?

00:33:41.000 I think that, you know, I was watching this nature program a couple weeks ago, and there was a seal.

00:33:46.000 I may have even talked with you about this last time I was on.

00:33:49.000 But there was, like, a seal playing in the waves, and then you hear the, like, doo-doo [...]-doo, and you see the shadow coming up, and it's a great white, and it hits the seal.

00:33:58.000 And then the guy, the narrator, actually says, we slowed this down to 140th of normal speed, right?

00:34:05.000 And you see the teeth of it, and the, ah!

00:34:08.000 And the seal's flopping around, and there's blood everywhere.

00:34:11.000 And meanwhile, the narrator's saying, the struggle for survival is never over.

00:34:17.000 And so I'm watching that, and I'm thinking, well, but seals seem kind of happy to me, right?

00:34:23.000 How come they're not more stressed out?

00:34:25.000 Because all the seals I've seen were lying on rocks and chilling and barking and having fun.

00:34:30.000 So I looked up this seal.

00:34:32.000 It was a harbor seal, I think.

00:34:33.000 They live to be about 30. So let's say this one's in its prime.

00:34:36.000 It's 25, okay? 0.99

00:34:38.000 Its whole fucking life, it's been lying on warm rocks and eating fresh fish. 0.99

00:34:42.000 And then in Half a second, it's dead. 1.00

00:34:45.000 Okay?

00:34:46.000 And we're looking at that as evidence of the cruelty of nature?

00:34:50.000 What's the ratio there?

00:34:52.000 You know, what's the ratio of good days to bad days in that seal's life? 0.98

00:34:55.000 It's pretty fucking good. 0.98

00:34:56.000 True. 0.98

00:34:57.000 And I read this amazing account of being pounced on by a lion by, I think it was...

00:35:04.000 Who searched for Livingston in Africa?

00:35:08.000 I remember Dr. Livingston, I presume.

00:35:10.000 Anyway, that guy...

00:35:12.000 He got pounced on by a lion.

00:35:13.000 He didn't describe it this way, but the endorphins that are released when you're dying, right?

00:35:20.000 Especially in prey animals.

00:35:22.000 He was completely detached, completely relaxed, watching this lion tossing him around.

00:35:28.000 Well, they think there's an evolutionary advantage to both species, both the predator and the prey, in them having this endorphin release when they get got.

00:35:36.000 Because when lions attack antelopes or when big cats catch deer, the deer kind of give in, man.

00:35:44.000 They get jacked, but they kind of fight a little and then they kind of give in.

00:35:50.000 But bears, those kind of animals, they don't really give in like that.

00:35:56.000 So if a cat and a mountain lion or a mountain lion rather than a bear go at it, the bear isn't just going to give in to the mountain lion.

00:36:04.000 If the mountain lion bites the bear in its neck, the bear is going to try to turn and bite him back and they're going to tooth and claw it out.

00:36:10.000 They're not going to give.

00:36:11.000 I wonder if he would give in to a dinosaur.

00:36:14.000 Ooh, that's a good point.

00:36:15.000 Something where the power is overwhelming and you feel it.

00:36:19.000 Like, I ain't getting out of this.

00:36:20.000 I wonder if that's what triggers the release.

00:36:22.000 That's a very good point. 0.99

00:36:23.000 That thing that you're talking about right there, Is the secret of happiness, which is that fucking release. 0.99

00:36:30.000 Because if you really look at it, man, we are in the mouth of a super predator. 0.99

00:36:35.000 It's the entire universe and it's slowly killing us right now.

00:36:39.000 You're bumming me.

00:36:41.000 Why does that bum you out?

00:36:42.000 It's true.

00:36:43.000 It's like, I mean, it does sound like dire, but on one level it sounds dire.

00:36:47.000 But then the idea is like you have to accept the situation that you're in.

00:36:52.000 And it is true. 0.71

00:36:53.000 We are like being like, we're in the mouth of the most incredible, most powerful, most omnipresent thing ever.

00:37:01.000 Earlier when you were talking about, you know, you smoke DMT, you have this experience of God.

00:37:05.000 You see God, whatever it is.

00:37:07.000 You see this incredible matrix of consciousness.

00:37:11.000 Theoretically on ayahuasca, I haven't done it on mushrooms.

00:37:16.000 But the funny thing about it is, right now, minus the psychedelic, you are surrounded by an entire universe of which pieces of the universe are alive and aware of you and are talking to you.

00:37:27.000 The psychedelic sort of just force-feeds you that reality.

00:37:31.000 Exactly.

00:37:31.000 Or it puts a different coat of paint on top of it, so now it seems unique or new.

00:37:37.000 It's novel again.

00:37:37.000 It's novel again, but it's just another level of the same experience that's happening, Partially living universe that has a tendency from time to time to produce life.

00:37:53.000 This universe that we're in produces life, and you're part of it, and you're surrounded by an infinite ocean of that tendency.

00:38:01.000 So that's very overwhelming, I think, for people, which is why they begin to accept, oh, this is just completely normal, this thing. 0.99

00:38:09.000 And then that's when you take the psychedelic and you're like, holy shit! 1.00

00:38:12.000 Shit! 1.00

00:38:13.000 I saw God! 1.00

00:38:14.000 It's like, no.

00:38:15.000 You saw the exact same thing that you've been seeing, it's only that you saw it in a different form.

00:38:20.000 For whatever reason, people don't want to accept this stuff that's happening around us right now as God.

00:38:26.000 They don't want to accept it.

00:38:27.000 They don't want to accept that what this thing is around us is supernatural.

00:38:31.000 It's crazy.

00:38:32.000 Well, see, when Joe was talking earlier about foragers finding these substances, I was thinking exactly what you're talking about because we take those substances and it's like a revelation, right?

00:38:45.000 And the veil is pulled back.

00:38:46.000 What is the veil?

00:38:48.000 The veil is culture.

00:38:49.000 We live in a culture that is constantly trying to put out the fire of mystery in us.

00:38:54.000 It's constantly saying, no, life is about having this car.

00:38:58.000 This kind of house, get a new air conditioner, go to work.

00:39:01.000 Don't be looking for mystery. 1.00

00:39:03.000 Just go to work and punch the fucking clock, alright? 1.00

00:39:05.000 Go work in your mine or your cubicle or whatever. 1.00

00:39:08.000 It's constantly trying to get us to accept this bum fucking deal, right? 1.00

00:39:14.000 Whereas foragers, they're surrounded by mystery every day. 0.99

00:39:17.000 Every day, everything's alive.

00:39:19.000 Everything is full of spirit.

00:39:21.000 There's the spirit of the river, the spirit of the clouds, the spirit of the air.

00:39:24.000 They're surrounded by spirits.

00:39:25.000 So I wonder what their experience with psychedelics is like, because I don't think it has...

00:39:31.000 I mean, I'm sure it heightens everything and is amazing and obviously has sacred value.

00:39:37.000 But I don't think it has that same revelatory aspect that it does for us.

00:39:43.000 It might be a different, even deeper revelatory thing because they're not confined to the bullshit of buildings and streets and traffic lights and taxes and all these things that we hold in the forefront of our mind. 0.96

00:39:55.000 Our consciousness that are really just retarded. 0.96

00:39:57.000 We've created these things.

00:39:58.000 Most of the things that people come up with to occupy their mind during the day are things that we've come up with that we've discovered or created and decided that they're significant.

00:40:11.000 Like taxes or jobs or social status for breeding.

00:40:16.000 I think it gets back to Duncan's point.

00:40:18.000 I think the whole thing is an edifice built to distract ourselves from our mortality.

00:40:23.000 I think that's what civilization is.

00:40:25.000 It certainly could be or it could be a mechanism for us to continue to create technology and innovate. 0.94

00:40:32.000 Because the best way to do that is to not have a good perspective, not realize that if our perspective is really good and we realize that we're these temporary beings who just love each other and spend as much time together in camaraderie and in friendship as possible, we're not going to get shit done.

00:40:48.000 We're all going to look at all the...

00:40:51.000 We're good.

00:40:52.000 We just keep using these phones and everyone's fine.

00:40:55.000 We look at our TVs and that is a very big TV. We're good.

00:40:58.000 My computer is super fast.

00:41:00.000 We're good.

00:41:00.000 My internet seems fine.

00:41:01.000 Let's just leave all this stuff alone and hang out.

00:41:05.000 Right.

00:41:06.000 You need the discontent to create the technology.

00:41:09.000 So the question is, but whose interest is all this in?

00:41:14.000 Because it's not in ours.

00:41:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:17.000 It's the superorganism.

00:41:18.000 Do you know the Marshall McLuhan quote?

00:41:20.000 Marshall McLuhan's... 0.66

00:41:21.000 Or the sex organs of the machine.

00:41:23.000 That's my favorite quote ever.

00:41:25.000 And I think that one of the things we've done by lighting everything up also is we've gotten rid of the psychedelic vision that is space.

00:41:33.000 You no longer see space.

00:41:35.000 If you go on a trip to the desert, and you go out to the high desert, and you look up at night, you're like, wow!

00:41:42.000 You get that majestic vision of the cosmos.

00:41:46.000 We don't get it in LA anymore.

00:41:47.000 It's gone.

00:41:48.000 It's gone.

00:41:48.000 We smoked it out.

00:41:50.000 We smoked it out with streetlights. 0.99

00:41:51.000 And you got tomatoes that'll look good for a long time, but have no fucking flavor. 0.99

00:41:55.000 And roses that don't smell like roses. 0.99

00:41:58.000 They don't?

00:41:59.000 What do they smell like?

00:41:59.000 They smell like nothing.

00:42:00.000 Why?

00:42:01.000 Because they've got a breed that will last much longer, looking good, but it doesn't have the smell.

00:42:08.000 But you just spray perfume on them, bro.

00:42:09.000 That's what they do.

00:42:11.000 Seriously.

00:42:12.000 Seriously, that's what they do.

00:42:13.000 They spray rose perfume on roses? 0.99

00:42:15.000 I went to dinner once.

00:42:17.000 This French chick made me dinner. 1.00

00:42:18.000 This beautiful, wonderful French woman.

00:42:22.000 But I didn't like anything she liked, so it was a difficult relationship.

00:42:27.000 She liked sailing.

00:42:28.000 She had this little sailboat.

00:42:29.000 And for me, sailing...

00:42:31.000 It's like skin cancer.

00:42:33.000 Guaranteed.

00:42:33.000 Skin cancer.

00:42:34.000 Oh, because you're so pale?

00:42:35.000 Because I'm super pale.

00:42:36.000 I'm out on the water, no shade.

00:42:38.000 We're waiting for wind.

00:42:39.000 I'm dead. 0.62

00:42:40.000 I'm dead.

00:42:40.000 Anyway, so she made this dinner for me one night, and I went to her place, and everything was beautiful, and it was all set up with candles and nice silver.

00:42:50.000 And it was escargot. 0.99

00:42:53.000 I don't fucking eat escargot, man. 0.99

00:42:55.000 I'm American. 1.00

00:42:56.000 I don't eat snails.

00:42:58.000 But I was going to go through it just because she went into all this trouble.

00:43:01.000 28, 29, something like that.

00:43:04.000 And so she has this big pot of escargot, all these shells in the sauce, tomato sauce, and she puts it on.

00:43:11.000 So I pick up the first one and suck up the sauce, and there's no snail.

00:43:15.000 And I'm like, whew, lucked out.

00:43:16.000 And then I pick up the next one, same thing.

00:43:19.000 Again, no snail.

00:43:20.000 And I'm looking at her across the table, and she's getting this weird look on her face.

00:43:26.000 There were no snails.

00:43:27.000 She'd bought the shells.

00:43:29.000 They sell the snails separately.

00:43:31.000 You have to put the snails back in the shells.

00:43:35.000 What?

00:43:36.000 I don't know.

00:43:37.000 Something about you spraying perfume on roses with no smell reminded me of that story. 0.99

00:43:41.000 That is so ridiculous. 0.95

00:43:43.000 Yeah, so she made a big pot of snail shells. 1.00

00:43:46.000 So you guys just said, snail shell soup.

00:43:50.000 Tomato snail shell soup.

00:43:52.000 That's hard to say.

00:43:53.000 Snail shell soup.

00:43:54.000 Snail shell soup.

00:43:56.000 Yeah, my mouth doesn't want to say that for some reason.

00:43:57.000 Snail shell soup.

00:43:58.000 Snail shell soup.

00:43:59.000 Snail shell soup.

00:44:00.000 Snail shell soup.

00:44:01.000 Snail shell soup.

00:44:02.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:44:03.000 It is bizarre that they would separate them.

00:44:06.000 Why would you take the snails out and make people put them back in?

00:44:09.000 Maybe to clean them?

00:44:10.000 Shipping, yeah.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, maybe it's like a cleanliness issue.

00:44:13.000 But then you would know that they weren't fresh.

00:44:16.000 The whole idea is that you want to catch them.

00:44:17.000 They do something to them, though.

00:44:19.000 That's something that I was...

00:44:21.000 There's a guy online who is a wild game cook, a famous wild game cook.

00:44:27.000 He's been on Steve Rinello's television show, and one of the things that he does is...

00:44:33.000 He takes wild foods like mushrooms and stuff and incorporates them like if he eats like a deer.

00:44:40.000 He cooks a deer meal.

00:44:42.000 He'll use like a lot of the local ingredients like local plants and local mushrooms and things like that.

00:44:48.000 And he did that with some snails and he had to purge them.

00:44:53.000 So I guess you do something where you take them and you like leave them in water for a long period of time or something.

00:44:59.000 Like let them defecate and let them piss. 1.00

00:45:01.000 Oh, right. 0.98

00:45:02.000 I think that might be...

00:45:03.000 That makes sense.

00:45:04.000 Yeah.

00:45:04.000 You don't want to eat snail piss.

00:45:06.000 No way.

00:45:07.000 No way.

00:45:08.000 That's what you even eat lobster, right?

00:45:10.000 That whole line down the lobster and snails.

00:45:13.000 Yeah, shrimp. 1.00

00:45:13.000 Fucking gross. 1.00

00:45:14.000 It's their poop line. 1.00

00:45:16.000 Have we talked about fecal transplant?

00:45:19.000 Have you guys talked about that?

00:45:20.000 We have, definitely.

00:45:21.000 I haven't stopped talking about it.

00:45:24.000 Since you had it.

00:45:26.000 It's pretty bizarre.

00:45:27.000 The idea that microbes from another person's poop can actually help your body.

00:45:32.000 Yeah, that's pretty wild, huh?

00:45:33.000 When being born vaginally, you get your mother's microbiome all over your skin and in your mouth and stuff from her vaginal secretions. 0.75

00:45:41.000 So when kids are born C-section, they don't get that.

00:45:44.000 They're much more likely to have asthma and all this stuff. 0.99

00:45:47.000 So what you got to do, even if you have a C-section, is smear pussy juice all over the kid's face, literally. 1.00

00:45:53.000 I don't think you should say that. 0.99

00:45:55.000 We should probably edit that out.

00:45:58.000 That's just what the doctor ordered. 0.99

00:46:00.000 There are new rules in this society, and you're not allowed to smear pussy juice on babies anymore. 1.00

00:46:04.000 Would you start working for Subway? 1.00

00:46:07.000 At Harvard, that'll get you fired. 0.94

00:46:10.000 I think it was Yale, but yeah.

00:46:13.000 We were talking before the podcast started about the social justice warrior placemats that Harvard had given to children to take home with them. 1.00

00:46:22.000 And I say children because if your parents are paying for your education, you're a fucking child. 0.99

00:46:25.000 You're still a child. 1.00

00:46:27.000 I don't care if you're 18. I don't care if you can vote. 0.86

00:46:29.000 I don't care if you can go to war.

00:46:31.000 They sent these placemats home with these kids explaining how to talk to your parents if controversial issues come up, like if your parents exhibit xenophobia or sexism or transphobia.

00:46:45.000 Right.

00:46:46.000 And so they literally are giving them these placemats.

00:46:50.000 Can we see them?

00:46:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:51.000 We'll pull it up.

00:46:52.000 Harvard just apologized for it today.

00:46:54.000 For the placemats?

00:46:55.000 Yeah.

00:46:55.000 Well, some intelligent people apparently got a hold of them.

00:46:58.000 What the fuck are you doing? 0.98

00:47:00.000 Are you teaching people how to be only liberal progressive thinkers? 1.00

00:47:05.000 Like think only the way you guys want them to think?

00:47:08.000 Are they allowed to have a nuanced opinion on subjects that are controversial?

00:47:12.000 Like there's some things you're not allowed to have a nuanced opinion about.

00:47:15.000 You're not even allowed to debate it.

00:47:16.000 And that was what happened at Yale when they were talking about offensive Halloween costumes.

00:47:20.000 Here it is.

00:47:21.000 The Yale Student Act tips for talking to family members.

00:47:25.000 Oh my god, this is hilarious.

00:47:27.000 Listen mindfully before a formula.

00:47:29.000 Breathe.

00:47:31.000 A thoughtful response.

00:47:33.000 Ask questions when people express strong opinions.

00:47:36.000 Affirm.

00:47:36.000 Clarify the difference between the good intentions and the impact.

00:47:39.000 Speak.

00:47:40.000 Speak from a place of mutual interest, sharing personal experiences and emotions.

00:47:45.000 Oh my God. 0.96

00:47:46.000 And they talk about black murders in the streets. 0.99

00:47:48.000 Why don't they just listen to the officer? 0.97

00:47:51.000 If they just had obeyed the law, this wouldn't have happened.

00:47:55.000 Response.

00:47:56.000 I mean, come on.

00:47:57.000 Look at this.

00:47:57.000 This is hilarious.

00:47:58.000 Do you think the response would be the same if it was a white person being pulled over?

00:48:03.000 Like, look at what they're doing here.

00:48:06.000 They're teaching people how to talk to their parents about controversial social issues like Islamophobia.

00:48:15.000 Oh my god.

00:48:16.000 What does this say?

00:48:17.000 We shouldn't let anyone in the U.S. from Syria. 1.00

00:48:19.000 We can't guarantee that terrorists won't infiltrate their... 1.00

00:48:21.000 This is like the worst fucking Christmas dinner ever. 1.00

00:48:25.000 This is such a horrible... 1.00

00:48:27.000 This is not the Christmas dinner, this is the fucking O'Reilly factor! 0.99

00:48:30.000 The U.S. has been accepting refugees from the war-torn areas around the world for decades. 0.98

00:48:35.000 Remember the wars in Central America?

00:48:37.000 They were extremely violent, and the U.S. accepted refugees. 1.00

00:48:40.000 Alright, whatever.

00:48:41.000 It's just boring.

00:48:42.000 Look at this Yale student activism one. 0.97

00:48:44.000 Why are the black students complaining? 1.00

00:48:47.000 Shouldn't they be happy to be in college? 0.97

00:48:49.000 Response.

00:48:50.000 When I hear students expressing their experiences of racism on campus, I don't hear complaining.

00:48:55.000 Instead, I hear young people uplifting a situation that I may not experience.

00:49:01.000 You know what my dad starts doing at this point?

00:49:03.000 When I'm reading this, my dad will start going...

00:49:07.000 It's non-black. 1.00

00:49:10.000 Alright, alright, alright! 0.99

00:49:14.000 By the way, uplifting is not a fucking verb. 0.98

00:49:17.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:49:18.000 No.

00:49:18.000 Could somebody tell these fancy boys?

00:49:21.000 Son, you need to get a different drug dealer.

00:49:23.000 But there's a Harvard placemat.

00:49:25.000 It's about the Yale student protests.

00:49:27.000 Oh, I see.

00:49:28.000 But listen, if non-black students get the privilege of a safe environment, I believe that same privilege should be given to all students.

00:49:37.000 You just said nothing. 0.92

00:49:38.000 That is a nonsense statement.

00:49:40.000 Yeah.

00:49:40.000 You don't hear them complaining when they're complaining?

00:49:42.000 Well, that's bizarre.

00:49:43.000 If people are complaining, they're definitely complaining.

00:49:45.000 They might have a very good point.

00:49:46.000 Exactly.

00:49:46.000 There's nothing negative about complaining.

00:49:48.000 They might have a very good point.

00:49:49.000 If you don't hear complaining, then you're not paying attention. 0.88

00:49:51.000 I agree with the black murder section, though. 0.70

00:49:53.000 That seems pretty logical, the response.

00:49:56.000 Why don't you read it?

00:49:57.000 Do you think the response would be the same if there was a white person being pulled over? 0.51

00:50:01.000 In many incidents that result in the death of a black body in the street, these victims are not breaking the law and are unarmed with Tamir.

00:50:09.000 This all seems right on.

00:50:11.000 He was a 12-year-old boy playing in the park.

00:50:13.000 When the officers pulled up, they gave no verbal commands and shot within two seconds of arriving at the scene.

00:50:19.000 He was not breaking any laws.

00:50:21.000 You know, it's just because I just watched, someone made a YouTube montage Of cops shooting people.

00:50:27.000 Oh, it's insane.

00:50:27.000 You've seen that.

00:50:28.000 Yeah, it's insane.

00:50:29.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:50:30.000 And I was thinking, my Christ, man, if I was black and got pulled over by a cop, I'd be shitting myself. 0.99

00:50:35.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:50:35.000 Because they just shoot. 1.00

00:50:37.000 Not only that, you're dealing with someone who is encountering bad people all day.

00:50:42.000 Most of the people that cops encounter all day are breaking the law. 0.97

00:50:45.000 Most of the people, they're either pulling them over or going too fast, or they're doing something stupid, or they're trying to steal something, or they're trying to rob somebody, or they're showing up at a scene after someone's done something fucked up. 0.87

00:50:56.000 So just think about the stress that a normal person's under, and multiply that times a hundred. 0.55

00:51:01.000 You get paid like 40 grand a year.

00:51:03.000 People want to shoot at you. 0.98

00:51:04.000 You're wearing a goddamn bulletproof vest, and you're going to someone And let's not forget that a lot of these dudes are coming back from wars. 0.99

00:51:21.000 A lot of them have PTSD and they were trained where they were an occupying force. 0.99

00:51:26.000 So they take that training and they apply it to joining the police force, and the population is the enemy.

00:51:32.000 Everyone is a potential suicide vest. 0.82

00:51:36.000 I got in a conversation with my Uber driver, this black dude, and he was talking about getting pulled over recently. 0.94

00:51:43.000 And I told him, man, I haven't been pulled over in like, I don't know, nine years?

00:51:47.000 And he's like, what?

00:51:51.000 Really?

00:51:51.000 I'm white, LOL. Yeah.

00:51:55.000 He gets pulled over all the time. 1.00

00:51:58.000 That's fucked up, man. 0.99

00:52:00.000 To live in that kind of world where you realize that you just have to accept getting pulled over and you have to accept the fact that there's some chance if you make the wrong move or if the cop snaps for whatever reason, 1.00

00:52:16.000 You're dead!

00:52:17.000 It happens all the time.

00:52:18.000 There was that one where the cops pulled that guy over, and there's a video of him, the completely different interaction the cop described. 1.00

00:52:25.000 The guy pulls his gun out, and he just shoots the guy in his fucking car. 0.99

00:52:28.000 No one's in trouble, no one's scared, no one's in danger. 1.00

00:52:31.000 Terrible.

00:52:32.000 There's people...

00:52:33.000 It just shouldn't be cops.

00:52:35.000 There's definitely people that shouldn't be cops.

00:52:37.000 I think most people.

00:52:38.000 How about that?

00:52:39.000 And what about these cases where they, like, swat right into someone's house in the middle of the night and shoot them in bed, and then it's like, oh, wrong house.

00:52:46.000 Or they shoot their dog. 0.76

00:52:47.000 Oh, they love shooting the dogs. 0.97

00:52:50.000 And taking the property.

00:52:51.000 That's the other thing.

00:52:52.000 This country, they're motivated.

00:52:54.000 What's the word?

00:52:55.000 Motivated.

00:52:56.000 Motivated.

00:52:56.000 Yeah, there's a word there.

00:52:58.000 Incentivized. 0.99

00:52:59.000 To get into shit, you know, to get into trouble, to find trouble. 0.99

00:53:04.000 Because they get the house, they get the car. 0.99

00:53:06.000 Well, do you know, in 2015, cops took more property than burglars did.

00:53:11.000 Wow!

00:53:11.000 Yeah, I saw that.

00:53:14.000 What?

00:53:14.000 Think about that.

00:53:15.000 Wait a minute!

00:53:17.000 Yeah.

00:53:17.000 And that goes right into the local police department's budget.

00:53:20.000 Yeah.

00:53:21.000 It doesn't even go to Washington.

00:53:23.000 They bought margarita machines in North Carolina.

00:53:25.000 Did you see that?

00:53:26.000 I did see that. 1.00

00:53:27.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:53:27.000 When they pull people over, and if you have money, they just take it. 0.99

00:53:30.000 They say, well, you have to figure out a way to prove to us that this money was made by legal...

00:53:34.000 Asset forfeiture surpassed burglaries for the first time ever.

00:53:37.000 That's crazy.

00:53:38.000 And that's an important point.

00:53:39.000 You don't even have to be charged with a crime.

00:53:42.000 They can just say, what are you doing walking around with 10 grand in cash?

00:53:45.000 That's ours.

00:53:46.000 You've got to prove.

00:53:47.000 And also, think about how much of this is related to drugs.

00:53:50.000 So when you realize the asset forfeiture is actually happening for something that shouldn't be illegal anyway.

00:53:57.000 Do you watch...

00:53:58.000 Have you watched, it's called, like, Drunk Tank.

00:54:00.000 Have you seen this show?

00:54:01.000 Where, like, it's like, I don't know, it shows, it's a show where after someone gets pulled over for a DUI, they get thrown in the drunk tank.

00:54:09.000 Man, there is to me nothing more vile than seeing a cop smugly like searching a person and pulling marijuana out of his pocket and being like, well, well, well, what do we have here?

00:54:23.000 Marijuana.

00:54:24.000 Look at this.

00:54:25.000 That's going to be something that history is going to judge in the most intense way.

00:54:31.000 Every single cop that's been on a reality show smugly Taking someone's weed for them, putting handcuffs on them because they had weed for eternity. 0.97

00:54:41.000 They're going to be looked back on in a really fucking awful way. 0.92

00:54:45.000 They're going to want to scrub the internet of that footage because they're enforcing a law that, I mean, we all know, I'm going to preach in the fucking choir here, but there's something so foul about it, that smugness, you know? 0.99

00:54:57.000 It's so disgusting. 0.99

00:54:58.000 For nothing. 0.65

00:54:59.000 For nothing.

00:55:00.000 For literally nothing.

00:55:01.000 For literally nothing.

00:55:01.000 Yeah.

00:55:02.000 Well, not less than nothing.

00:55:04.000 Something they enjoy.

00:55:06.000 It's not just for nothing.

00:55:07.000 It's more disgusting than that because it's positive.

00:55:11.000 It's beneficial.

00:55:13.000 It enhances their life.

00:55:14.000 It makes food taste better.

00:55:16.000 Right.

00:55:17.000 Well, that gets us back to seeing God in a mushroom, right?

00:55:20.000 Yeah.

00:55:21.000 Every culture that's ever had access to hallucinogens has seen them as the greatest gift of the gods, right?

00:55:28.000 The most sacred, the most beautiful gift they've been given.

00:55:31.000 In our country, in the United States, you go to prison for longer under minimum mandatory for having...

00:55:37.000 LSD, five years.

00:55:39.000 Yeah, right, LSD, than for second-degree murder.

00:55:42.000 Think about that.

00:55:43.000 That's insane.

00:55:44.000 So it's not only wasteful and weird and awkward.

00:55:49.000 And to me, that ties into my argument that we live in a culture that...

00:55:55.000 It sets out to deny mystery.

00:55:57.000 This is where I differ from you.

00:55:59.000 I don't know if the culture sets out to deny it or if all these things are kind of in place and they all benefit each other and the overall result is that the culture denies its reality.

00:56:10.000 I don't necessarily think there's any design involved.

00:56:14.000 No, no.

00:56:14.000 Well, see, this is a design versus evolution.

00:56:17.000 I agree with you.

00:56:17.000 I think it's a system that replicates itself and supports itself and spins out sub-mechanisms that support the central mechanism.

00:56:25.000 Yeah.

00:56:25.000 Yeah, I don't think Henry Kissinger's behind it all.

00:56:28.000 No, I know you don't, but I mean, I don't think there's anyone that doesn't want us, anyone that doesn't want us to be aware of our...

00:56:36.000 I just don't think anyone's paying attention.

00:56:38.000 Oh, sure.

00:56:38.000 The entire advertising industry doesn't want us to We need to know the reality of what they're selling.

00:56:43.000 Yeah, but they're not even...

00:56:43.000 Oh, that's different.

00:56:44.000 Yeah, okay.

00:56:46.000 There's something to that.

00:56:46.000 I mean, there's a whole...

00:56:48.000 You know, Edward Bernays, right?

00:56:49.000 The great...

00:56:50.000 Yeah.

00:56:51.000 The guy who founded advertising, essentially, and also worked for the CIA. Also came up with the, we're defending freedom abroad justification for American military adventures.

00:57:01.000 I mean, he was central, and he very clearly said, like, we need to create reality for people.

00:57:06.000 That's right.

00:57:09.000 We're good to go.

00:57:27.000 And we needed them to think that we were in charge.

00:57:30.000 That was the first thing.

00:57:32.000 You would have certain rules that they had to abide by.

00:57:35.000 And the first rule would be, don't let them take psychedelics, man. 0.99

00:57:39.000 Because if they start fucking tripping, they're going to realize we're just three dudes. 0.99

00:57:43.000 Just like them, and they're not going to listen to us anymore, which is why I think there is a five-year mandatory minimum when it comes to LSD, because when you take LSD, the entire thing seems absolutely absurd, from money to the government to jobs. 1.00

00:58:00.000 It all seems like a ridiculous thing that everyone else seems to have accepted as like, yeah, this is just how you do shit. 0.98

00:58:05.000 Right, but question. 0.98

00:58:06.000 The people that are enforcing the laws are not the people that created those laws, and the people that are enforcing the laws most Certainly have not experienced these things.

00:58:16.000 That's why we need to get cops tripping. 1.00

00:58:19.000 Yeah, but it's...

00:58:19.000 You're right.

00:58:20.000 But I agree.

00:58:21.000 I think that there's a certain momentum that these laws and that this propaganda has sort of set in motion that's going to be really hard to slow down and stop, and we're starting to do that with pot.

00:58:33.000 The availability and the relaxation of the way people view pot in 2015 is way different than We're doing it with hallucinogens, too.

00:58:44.000 I mean, there's approved research going on.

00:58:47.000 There's fantastic clinical application. 0.95

00:58:50.000 The old guard has to die.

00:58:52.000 Well, yeah, that's how it works. 1.00

00:58:55.000 The people that started those laws, the fucking Joe Fridays, the Dragnet guys, those guys are dead. 0.65

00:59:02.000 So, like, the people that, like, started this whole, the sweeping Psychedelic Legislation Act of 1970, I believe it was, when they made everything Schedule I. Nixon. 0.96

00:59:11.000 Yeah, they were just trying to batten down the hatches. 0.99

00:59:14.000 We gotta stop these fucking hippies. 1.00

00:59:15.000 Like, everything was crazy. 1.00

00:59:16.000 The response to the Vietnam War, everybody wanted to get out. 0.59

00:59:19.000 There was, like, this culture explosion that was going on.

00:59:23.000 They were trying to throw wet blankets on.

00:59:25.000 That's right.

00:59:25.000 They were trying to figure out how to do it.

00:59:27.000 Those people that did that, they're all dead.

00:59:29.000 So these new sort of DEA people and drug enforcement officers, they're operating under this assumption that what they're doing is in some way good.

00:59:39.000 Right.

00:59:40.000 Because it's been in place for a long time, and this is just how it is.

00:59:44.000 And look, there's a reason why heroin's illegal, son.

00:59:47.000 There's a reason why cocaine's illegal, son.

00:59:49.000 What? 0.96

00:59:49.000 Marijuana's gonna rot your brain, son. 0.96

00:59:51.000 Do you do that? 0.81

01:00:06.000 Well, have you heard of the...

01:00:09.000 There's a thing.

01:00:10.000 You probably know there's a name for it.

01:00:11.000 When somebody gets invested into a religion or a cult, you get into a cult and after you've invested yourself for a certain amount of time, when you get really sucked into the cult, just the fact that you've been in it for 4, 5, 10, 0.99

01:00:27.000 15 years is enough to keep you in it even though you know it's complete bullshit. 0.96

01:00:31.000 So you stay in it only because you've invested too much energy. 0.99

01:00:34.000 Like when they predict the apocalypse and then it doesn't happen?

01:00:37.000 Yeah.

01:00:37.000 And those people are just like, well that doesn't shake their belief at all.

01:00:40.000 They just stick to it because their ego is completely committed to it.

01:00:43.000 Imagine if like your entire life you had been enforcing legislation that was completely absurd, that wasn't based on anything in reality, that in fact For your entire life, you're enforcing legislation that was in some way dampening or pushing your society back,

01:01:03.000 pushing back the evolution of your culture, and you have to come to terms with the fact that you did that.

01:01:09.000 You are an agent of the state, and you enforce laws that shouldn't have been there at all. 0.98

01:01:15.000 Man, that's a fucking tough pill to swallow. 0.99

01:01:17.000 The fact that you may have killed some people. 1.00

01:01:20.000 There's people out there who have put bullets in people just for growing marijuana, something out of the ground.

01:01:26.000 Or for being an Afghani adolescent, you know?

01:01:30.000 I mean, think about all the soldiers.

01:01:31.000 That's what the PTSD is all about, right?

01:01:33.000 They're coming back and they're like, what the f- I interviewed three vets on my show.

01:01:37.000 I did sort of a, you know, a series of vet interviews.

01:01:41.000 Tangentially speaking, available on iTunes.

01:01:43.000 Thank you, Joe.

01:01:46.000 And yeah, that's some of the stuff that comes up, you know? 0.98

01:01:48.000 It's like, you fucking shoot people because you're there, and that's what you do, and they moved, and they had, you know, whatever. 1.00

01:01:54.000 It's fucked up. 1.00

01:01:55.000 You gotta come to terms with it, you know? 0.99

01:01:57.000 They just have to come to terms. 0.99

01:01:58.000 But you have to come to terms with it because it's cowardly to continue to fucking enforce a goddamn thing even though you know that it's no longer relevant. 0.99

01:02:07.000 There's no need to do it. 0.99

01:02:08.000 There never was a need to do it. 0.97

01:02:09.000 You just have to take the bitter pill and go through a few fucking days of feeling guilty, you know, and understand that what you did was wrong. 0.79

01:02:19.000 It's a real easy thing to say, but the problem is until the laws get changed, it's not going to seem real to people that are still caught up in the haze of culture. 0.96

01:02:29.000 Right.

01:02:30.000 You know, because culture has kind of a haze.

01:02:31.000 Like, you get sucked into it, and you're in it, and that's why people do different things in different places, and it seems normal to them.

01:02:37.000 And then we see it.

01:02:38.000 They're, what?

01:02:39.000 They eat with sticks? 1.00

01:02:40.000 What are they, fucking crazy? 1.00

01:02:41.000 Don't they know about spoons? 1.00

01:02:43.000 It's like culture becomes the norm.

01:02:46.000 It becomes what you accept.

01:02:47.000 And right now, our culture accepts the fact that you get locked up for drugs.

01:02:51.000 And you don't want your kids to be a druggie. 0.98

01:02:53.000 You don't want your kid to be a loser. 1.00

01:02:55.000 They become potheads. 1.00

01:02:56.000 They become lazy.

01:02:57.000 We have these thoughts that were really all the seeds were started in the 1930s with all those crazy Reefer Madness movies.

01:03:04.000 I mean, it's the same stuff.

01:03:05.000 It just has gotten less and less ridiculous. 0.99

01:03:10.000 Even to this day, if you talk about getting high, you talk about smoking pot, the vast majority of people look at it the same way as if you say, I got fucked up. 0.99

01:03:18.000 We went and drank, and I got hammered. 0.99

01:03:21.000 I was so blasted.

01:03:22.000 But there's a very big difference in what it's doing to your body.

01:03:25.000 Like, one of them is closing off awareness.

01:03:27.000 One of them is opening up awareness.

01:03:29.000 We're putting them in the same category.

01:03:30.000 And this is not a knock on alcohol.

01:03:32.000 I'm a fan of alcohol.

01:03:33.000 I enjoy it.

01:03:34.000 But it's a completely different experience.

01:03:36.000 But when you explain it to people, they'll look at you the same way.

01:03:40.000 Ah, you guys got stoned, huh? 1.00

01:03:42.000 You fucking crazy kids. 1.00

01:03:44.000 Meanwhile, you got stoned and might have realized exactly what was wrong in your relationship and tried to fix your life and wrote something down. 1.00

01:03:51.000 It's going to be like the new chart, the new path of your destiny. 0.99

01:03:55.000 More you got drunk and shit in your neighbor's lawn because you thought it would be cute. 1.00

01:04:00.000 Fuck this cat. 1.00

01:04:01.000 It is cute. 1.00

01:04:01.000 Put it on YouTube. 1.00

01:04:03.000 We're talking... 0.99

01:04:04.000 Was that cat fucking line of dig at me, man? 0.99

01:04:06.000 No, man, no, man. 0.99

01:04:07.000 I'm not that guy.

01:04:08.000 We promised we weren't going to talk about that.

01:04:10.000 That thing you're talking about, man, that thing where you're like, well, well, well, guess you're high right now, that's deep North Korean level conditioning. 0.69

01:04:20.000 It's no different than people in North Korea praying to dear leader.

01:04:24.000 You have been, depending on how old you are, you have been in a war.

01:04:29.000 The war on drugs.

01:04:30.000 It's a real war.

01:04:31.000 It's a war where people have been killed and imprisoned.

01:04:34.000 And as part of all wars, propaganda.

01:04:36.000 You have to have propaganda.

01:04:38.000 And money.

01:04:40.000 Conditioned by some very intense brainwashing that was created by the CIA to try to control your mind.

01:04:48.000 And so you have been infected with propaganda if you think that drugs should be illegal.

01:04:52.000 You are a victim of the drug war. 0.99

01:04:54.000 And you know another fucking casualty of the drug war? 0.99

01:04:57.000 Truth man, I was thinking like how much I lied to my mom I was in high school taking LSD having these powerful life-changing experiences beautiful experiences where I was realizing so much about Society and myself and a lot of shit I didn't understand and I would have loved to have talked to my mom about it, 0.99

01:05:19.000 but I couldn't talk to my mom about it I Because if my mom found out I was doing fucking LSD, she would freak out. 0.96

01:05:26.000 And parents, they go through their kids' drawers. 0.98

01:05:29.000 They become agents of the state.

01:05:31.000 They're digging through their kids' drawers to try to find a substance that has been on the planet for a very long time, marijuana, or a substance like LSD that is profoundly beneficial to a person who takes it in the right way.

01:05:45.000 And they've become agents of the state and they're forcing in their house, in the home, which should be a place of absolute truth and trust and acceptance and growth.

01:05:57.000 It's been transformed into this kind of weird gulag.

01:06:00.000 It's been turned into this bizarre prison place where the parents somehow have got to enforce these absolutely arbitrary laws and that I don't think that anyone is ever going to be able to calculate how much damage that has done to society, 0.90

01:06:18.000 that we have placed our teens into a position where they have to fucking lie to their parents about having the most profound experience accessible via chemicals. 0.97

01:06:28.000 But there's a lot of people that think that you shouldn't fuck with any entheogens, any psychedelics, while you have a young, developing mind. 0.99

01:06:36.000 Well, I'm not one of them. 0.98

01:06:38.000 I mean, I can't...

01:06:40.000 I can't be!

01:06:41.000 I did it all through high school and I absolutely am so grateful to that.

01:06:45.000 I'm so grateful for the information stream because I didn't have the internet, man.

01:06:50.000 My encounter with what LSD was was through pure government propaganda.

01:06:56.000 It was like finding books where it talks about Timothy Leary. 0.63

01:07:00.000 An insane lunatic who lost his mind.

01:07:03.000 It paints a picture of people who are advocates of the psychedelic experience as being some kind of evil, drug-addled lunatics as opposed to being what they really are, which is rebels and heroes in a completely insane war that has destroyed countless lives. 0.99

01:07:22.000 So I wasn't able to go on the internet and look this shit up and find out that Indeed this experience that I'm having which appears to be beneficial is truly beneficial to a great many people all I had was Bullshit like you're gonna you know if you take five hits of acid you're legally insane Yeah, 0.97

01:07:42.000 or the old classic I made sure to take five so I'm covered if I do something good I'm insane I'm gonna talk like from the 1940s from now on Why, I'm insane, Duncan. 0.96

01:07:57.000 Say, what do you mean by this beneficial experience?

01:08:02.000 Well, it's sad, you know, it really is.

01:08:04.000 And what's really sad about it is, like, other wars, the casualties, you know, we build walls with names on them in other wars.

01:08:12.000 But in this particular war, so many people who are just farmers and alchemists are laying in their graves.

01:08:19.000 And nobody realizes that these were heroes.

01:08:22.000 These were people who were in the face of insanity making the decision that regardless of what the state was telling them to do, they were going to follow their hearts.

01:08:31.000 And a lot of them went to jail for it.

01:08:33.000 A lot of them are in jail for it.

01:08:34.000 They're political prisoners.

01:08:36.000 That's the word.

01:08:36.000 That's it.

01:08:37.000 This is very strange how hard it is for us to break momentum of habit.

01:08:41.000 And that's part of what's going on is there's a momentum of habit that looks at all these things as being negative.

01:08:47.000 Well, and there's a governmental system that's supremely unresponsive to new ideas, right?

01:08:52.000 Because of the way Congress is set up.

01:08:54.000 But one of the things that's changing then, I think, is what's happening in Colorado with the tax revenue.

01:08:58.000 Yeah, and Oregon.

01:08:59.000 Yeah, and Oregon.

01:08:59.000 But Colorado has a longer history of it.

01:09:02.000 Right now, they've made more money for the first time ever from marijuana and taxes than they do alcohol.

01:09:08.000 Right.

01:09:08.000 And crime goes down.

01:09:09.000 Yeah.

01:09:09.000 Crime went down.

01:09:10.000 Drunk driving went down.

01:09:11.000 Crime went down to record levels.

01:09:12.000 Yeah.

01:09:13.000 Drunk driving went up.

01:09:14.000 Real estate went up 19%.

01:09:16.000 Prescription overdoses down.

01:09:19.000 Down.

01:09:19.000 Because people are using marijuana for pain control.

01:09:21.000 And tourism up.

01:09:23.000 Hot girls moving in.

01:09:25.000 Party time.

01:09:26.000 All up.

01:09:28.000 There's negatives, too. 0.85

01:09:29.000 Hippies. 0.99

01:09:29.000 Freaks. 0.99

01:09:31.000 A lot of lazy bitches moving in, too. 1.00

01:09:33.000 Speaking of hippies. 1.00

01:09:34.000 A lot of people attracted, like metal filings.

01:09:35.000 I slept in Terrence McKenna's bed the other night.

01:09:37.000 Wow. 1.00

01:09:39.000 Did you jerk off in it? 1.00

01:09:39.000 I felt it. 1.00

01:09:40.000 No, no.

01:09:41.000 Should've.

01:09:42.000 No, it's beautiful.

01:09:44.000 Where is Terrence McKinnis' bed?

01:09:45.000 Well, it's a bed he slept in often in Mill Valley.

01:09:49.000 Oh, wow.

01:09:49.000 Yeah.

01:09:50.000 That's awesome.

01:09:51.000 I always wanted to buy his house on the Big Island, but it burnt down.

01:09:54.000 It burnt down with like thousands of books.

01:09:56.000 Yeah.

01:09:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:09:58.000 How the fuck does a house burn in Hawaii? 0.99

01:10:00.000 I don't know, man. 0.99

01:10:00.000 In a rainforest. 0.99

01:10:01.000 He lived in a rainforest in Hawaii.

01:10:03.000 Volcanic eruption?

01:10:04.000 Yeah, it's called Girlfriend with Kerosene. 1.00

01:10:07.000 You left me, you fuck! 1.00

01:10:12.000 Do you guys know I'm nominated for a porn award? 1.00

01:10:15.000 Did I tell you that?

01:10:16.000 A porn award?

01:10:17.000 Yeah, an AVN award.

01:10:19.000 Wow, okay.

01:10:20.000 Is that good?

01:10:21.000 Yeah.

01:10:21.000 Best non-sex scene in a movie.

01:10:24.000 What movie was this?

01:10:25.000 It's called Marriage 2.0.

01:10:27.000 And I'm up against Ron Jeremy, Dick Chibbles.

01:10:32.000 Yeah.

01:10:33.000 Duncan has nothing to say, Duncan.

01:10:36.000 What about your congratulations?

01:10:37.000 Forgive me.

01:10:38.000 That's amazing.

01:10:40.000 I hope you win.

01:10:41.000 Yeah, me too.

01:10:42.000 Well, I was going to ask if you guys would go to Vegas and accept it on my behalf.

01:10:47.000 Send Red Band.

01:10:48.000 He'll be there anyway.

01:10:51.000 Get it for us.

01:10:54.000 Yeah, those things just seem like too much sadness for a guy with daughters.

01:10:59.000 Yeah.

01:11:00.000 The Avian Awards.

01:11:01.000 Definitely.

01:11:03.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

01:11:04.000 Maybe it's a party.

01:11:05.000 Brian says it's all like cam girls now.

01:11:08.000 That's like the majority of what it is.

01:11:09.000 I think there's, I just read about this documentary about the shift in pornography, the way that pornography, that industry is kind of disintegrating because of the internet.

01:11:20.000 It's all free.

01:11:21.000 One of the many fucking disrupt, the internet is disrupting everything, man, isn't it? 0.93

01:11:24.000 It is. 0.94

01:11:25.000 From porn to taxi cabs to everything is getting reconfigured by it.

01:11:30.000 It's so fascinating.

01:11:31.000 It's unbelievable.

01:11:32.000 It's a very weird time.

01:11:34.000 Not just taxi cabs.

01:11:35.000 I told you rental cars.

01:11:36.000 The Skirt rental car company, they just drop your rental car off and then they pick it up later. 1.00

01:11:42.000 Like, they bring it to you.

01:11:43.000 It's sort of like Uber for rental cars.

01:11:45.000 If they could just get a sofa in there, we'd be in Duncan's future.

01:11:49.000 It will.

01:11:50.000 You need a sofa.

01:11:51.000 They'll have some sort of a pod.

01:11:52.000 I always thought they should make cars with cameras, right?

01:11:56.000 And so you actually sit backwards in the car and look at a screen that's projected of what's in front of you and you drive backwards.

01:12:04.000 Because you think about it, if you're in a collision, You're good if you're driving backwards.

01:12:08.000 Not really. 1.00

01:12:09.000 You're fucked. 1.00

01:12:10.000 If you're going to get crushed, you're going to get crushed. 1.00

01:12:12.000 And it's not good to not know when you're impacting.

01:12:15.000 Well, you would know.

01:12:16.000 Because as far as you're...

01:12:18.000 It's like a virtual...

01:12:19.000 It's as if you're looking out the windshield.

01:12:21.000 But you're actually shifted backwards and it's cameras projecting on the back screen.

01:12:26.000 Oh, it's hurting my brain thinking about that.

01:12:27.000 You probably throw up constantly.

01:12:29.000 Why am I going the wrong way?

01:12:29.000 This sensation would be weird.

01:12:31.000 That's true.

01:12:32.000 That's true.

01:12:33.000 You have massive cars like this.

01:12:35.000 I just feel like you wouldn't want to see the car, like, coming at you, rear-ending you.

01:12:41.000 I don't know.

01:12:43.000 Yeah, you wouldn't, because it'd be closed.

01:12:45.000 Man, did you see that, uh, the video of Elon Musk finally landing the rocket?

01:12:49.000 Yeah, I didn't see it. 0.97

01:12:49.000 That's fucking cool, man. 0.97

01:12:50.000 That's great. 0.99

01:12:51.000 Oh, yeah, it's badass.

01:12:52.000 It's just, like, straight out of, like, old 50s sci-fi.

01:12:56.000 It's, like, exactly the same thing.

01:12:57.000 He did it.

01:12:58.000 He landed a rocket.

01:12:59.000 Yeah.

01:13:00.000 And that guy, I heard that he is part of a, uh, him and some other people have, uh, Said that they're going to give a billion dollars to create a new artificial intelligence research center or something?

01:13:11.000 Because they're terrified.

01:13:14.000 Elon Musk and the guy in England...

01:13:17.000 Stephen Hawking.

01:13:18.000 Stephen Hawking.

01:13:19.000 You know, they're...

01:13:20.000 I like how you want to do the guy.

01:13:22.000 Thank you.

01:13:23.000 Weird, shaky movement.

01:13:24.000 That's the universal sign.

01:13:25.000 And I knew who you were talking about.

01:13:27.000 That guy that's... 1.00

01:13:28.000 Oh, yeah, he's fucked. 1.00

01:13:29.000 Yeah, that guy. 1.00

01:13:30.000 Yeah, they're terrified of it.

01:13:32.000 Yeah, they're really...

01:13:33.000 How do you feel about it?

01:13:36.000 About artificial intelligence and the idea.

01:13:38.000 Duncan sucked into his artificial intelligence right now.

01:13:40.000 Sorry, sorry, sorry.

01:13:41.000 That's very rude.

01:13:41.000 You went right to the phone.

01:13:42.000 Sorry, sorry.

01:13:43.000 Hey, you talk right now.

01:13:44.000 Just mention it.

01:13:44.000 I'm going to check my texts.

01:13:45.000 That is exactly what I did!

01:13:49.000 Hey, give me your thoughts on this.

01:13:52.000 I did that.

01:13:53.000 I'm sorry.

01:13:54.000 That's 100% what I did.

01:13:56.000 Joe's busted both of us.

01:13:58.000 My impression of a...

01:14:00.000 Well, you can't help it, though. 1.00

01:14:01.000 Just the fucking things are heroin. 1.00

01:14:03.000 They pull you. 1.00

01:14:04.000 Yeah, they get you.

01:14:05.000 You just want to check.

01:14:06.000 Maybe the next tweet is going to be amazing.

01:14:09.000 Someone's going to send me the coolest article ever.

01:14:10.000 It'll change my life.

01:14:11.000 I'm going to read it, and I'm just going to learn.

01:14:13.000 But do you read articles?

01:14:14.000 I find I store them. 1.00

01:14:16.000 I'm like a fucking squirrel in October, man. 0.98

01:14:18.000 I got so many tabs open and so many things in Evernote to read later. 0.99

01:14:23.000 I'll never read all this stuff, but I've got this acquisitive thing like, oh, that'll be interesting.

01:14:28.000 I'll save that.

01:14:29.000 That'll go there.

01:14:30.000 And it's just a mess.

01:14:32.000 It's a massive...

01:14:33.000 I'm like a hoarder.

01:14:34.000 I'm an intellectual hoarder.

01:14:35.000 It's a mess, man.

01:14:36.000 I try to practice mindfulness when I'm going through my phone, so I kind of watch myself as I'm doing it.

01:14:42.000 Because I know I'm addicted, and I can see what I'm in as a really awful pattern.

01:14:46.000 And it's like when you go through it, and you analyze what's happening, You see that it is a form of drug.

01:14:55.000 You see that you are getting, like, little hits off of it.

01:14:58.000 You are getting, like, weird little, like, moments of, like, strange information intoxication.

01:15:03.000 Like, you get these little, like, upticks. 0.98

01:15:05.000 Like, when you find a particularly, like, oh shit, a fucking Vice documentary on the liberation of the city in Iraq. 0.99

01:15:12.000 Whoa! 1.00

01:15:12.000 There's a cat eating a Fucking man's leg. 1.00

01:15:15.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:15:17.000 Uptick, uptick, uptick. 0.99

01:15:19.000 You're getting these, like, weird little hits, and it's kind of cool, and it keeps you, like, stuck in a cycle.

01:15:24.000 But that pull you're talking about, man.

01:15:27.000 I had this, like, awesome goth friend who was into, like, I can't remember if it's...

01:15:34.000 There's a differentiation between death metal and black metal, and I was getting in trouble for mixing them up, but, like, he was, like...

01:15:40.000 Explaining to me about Vlad Vignes, Burzum.

01:15:45.000 I always get in trouble.

01:15:45.000 I get the whole story mixed up, but basically he was explaining how these guys are actually burning down churches and they were really hardcore, man!

01:15:53.000 So he plays this Burzum, this death metal for me.

01:15:57.000 He's like, listen, I was super stoned.

01:15:58.000 He's like, listen, listen.

01:15:59.000 I'm listening to it.

01:16:00.000 He's like, do you feel the pull? 0.99

01:16:03.000 It's like, shit, man, I do a little bit. 0.99

01:16:05.000 I know what you're talking about. 0.99

01:16:06.000 It's got a weird, dark little gravity to it that if I allowed it to, I could see how I would start getting more and more and more into it. 0.99

01:16:13.000 It's the same with these fucking phones, man. 0.99

01:16:15.000 They have a true... 0.99

01:16:18.000 Weird magnetic subjective magnetism where you always feel it's almost a physical feeling man like you'd almost feel it Pulling your attention towards it.

01:16:29.000 They're like black holes for attention.

01:16:31.000 Well, it's interactive That's the big factor the big factor is it's interactive you click on things you can make things happen You can open things look at pictures.

01:16:38.000 It's one of the things that people like about Instagram You're you're clicking on it and you go.

01:16:41.000 Oh look at that picture.

01:16:42.000 Look at this picture.

01:16:43.000 Oh, I'm gonna comment And you're interacting.

01:16:45.000 And that interacting is like some bizarre introduction to a new type of society.

01:16:51.000 These are the first steps.

01:16:53.000 These social media steps, these are the first steps.

01:16:56.000 This new type of integrated communication that we're experiencing.

01:17:00.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:17:00.000 But like we're talking about with the city, the city separates us from the realization that we are just temporary beings collecting things needlessly because we're only going to be here for a short amount of time, but yet we spend all of our focus trying to accumulate the largest pile of shit before we die. 0.98

01:17:16.000 That's sort of the same thing is going on with phones.

01:17:19.000 It's the same thing that's going on with everything.

01:17:21.000 It's like it's slowly pulling us into its trance, and the more we feed into it, the more we work hard, the more they'll make more of these, the more they'll make better ones of these, the more these things will deeper and deeper integrate themselves into your life until the point where they're symbiotic, until the point where that new Google contact lens, 0.99

01:17:38.000 have you seen that shit? 0.99

01:17:39.000 Google's coming out with a contact lens. 1.00

01:17:41.000 I just knew it would happen. 1.00

01:17:42.000 They've got a goddamn contact lens. 1.00

01:17:43.000 It's going to be Google Glass, the contact lens. 1.00

01:17:45.000 No fucking way, man. 0.99

01:17:46.000 It's going to be able to tell your blood sugar if you're a diabetic. 1.00

01:17:50.000 Oh, it's not projecting shit. 0.99

01:17:51.000 Oh, no, no, it does. 0.99

01:17:52.000 It's doing everything. 1.00

01:17:52.000 Oh, you can see shit on it? 1.00

01:17:53.000 Oh, it's going to do everything. 0.99

01:17:54.000 It's going to do everything. 0.93

01:17:55.000 So you can have like porn going in your left eye 24-7?

01:17:58.000 Navigation in your right eye. 0.97

01:17:59.000 Porn in your left eye. 0.99

01:18:02.000 Look into my eyes. 1.00

01:18:03.000 That's the worst!

01:18:04.000 Can people see it? 1.00

01:18:07.000 Are you watching people fucking? 1.00

01:18:09.000 There's black dicks in your eyes. 1.00

01:18:10.000 Tiny little... 1.00

01:18:11.000 And I think it's a matter of time.

01:18:15.000 It's a matter of time before they create eyes that are better than these eyes.

01:18:19.000 For sure.

01:18:19.000 These eyes that we have that I need reading glasses now to read things that are fine print.

01:18:23.000 I can't read a book anymore.

01:18:25.000 I have to have a pair of glasses.

01:18:26.000 I'm reading a book about how to strengthen your eyes.

01:18:29.000 When I wear reading glasses, when I read the book, it's hilarious.

01:18:32.000 You know, the myopia is like out of control and they say it's because kids are indoors all the time.

01:18:38.000 I think it probably has a lot to do with it.

01:18:40.000 This woman named Katie Bowman was on the show, and one of the ways she described it as a cast, she said if you're always looking at something that's the same...

01:18:50.000 It was Katie Bowman, right?

01:18:51.000 They brought this up?

01:18:52.000 Pretty sure.

01:18:53.000 She was saying if you're always looking at a certain distance, a certain space, then that becomes like a cast.

01:18:59.000 So if you put your arm in a cast and the muscle atrophies, but when you're outside, like a normal person is, you're looking at things that are close, you're looking at things that are far away, and it doesn't distort your When you're staring at a screen all the time, which I am, all the time, either doing a podcast or going online or whatever,

01:19:15.000 that fucks with your eyes. 0.92

01:19:16.000 That's why, you know, people who would read all the time would get glasses, and people would correlate it, like, oh, he fucked up his eyes from reading. 1.00

01:19:24.000 Like, we would always say that. 1.00

01:19:25.000 But then they would say, oh, that's bullshit. 0.98

01:19:27.000 But no, it's not. 0.99

01:19:27.000 It's not bullshit. 0.99

01:19:28.000 If you read enough, you're looking at that space as right in front of you only. 0.99

01:19:32.000 You're looking at something really close up, and it fucks with your eyes. 0.95

01:19:35.000 Right. 1.00

01:19:36.000 Yeah, and also masturbation makes you go blind. 0.99

01:19:39.000 No, no, no. 0.98

01:19:40.000 That's true, right?

01:19:41.000 Not if you use your left hand.

01:19:43.000 You just need balance.

01:19:45.000 It's all about balance.

01:19:46.000 You need balance.

01:19:48.000 But this thing you're talking about, aren't they finding out that there's actually something about the energy being radiated from the things at night?

01:19:59.000 Like it fucks with your sleep cycle, too?

01:20:00.000 Oh, yeah. 0.86

01:20:01.000 The blue wavelength.

01:20:02.000 That's what it's called.

01:20:03.000 So get f.lux, L-U-X. It's great. 0.99

01:20:07.000 What is it?

01:20:07.000 In fact, I just interviewed a sleep scientist two days ago in San Francisco, a really interesting guy, does research at Stanford, Dan Pardee, and we were talking about that.

01:20:17.000 It's the blue end of the wavelength, which is what you get from sunlight, affects the centers of your brain that sort of tell you what time it is in your circadian rhythm and all that.

01:20:27.000 So as you get toward evening, you want the light to glow more and more gold, yellow, and eliminate the blue.

01:20:35.000 So this app just automatically filters your screen based upon where you are and what time it is.

01:20:41.000 And it's good.

01:20:42.000 It helps with the sleep.

01:20:43.000 Because if you're looking at blue light right before you go to bed, your brain thinks you're in the midday, you know?

01:20:49.000 That makes sense.

01:20:50.000 Okay, that makes sense.

01:20:51.000 They have a new plane that they're doing.

01:20:53.000 They're creating this new plane.

01:20:54.000 They're going to make it out of carbon fiber and they're going to adjust the light in the plane to match the light in the area you're going so that your circadian rhythms don't get interrupted.

01:21:04.000 No windows.

01:21:05.000 Yeah, and apparently in doing this, somehow or another, they're going to eliminate...

01:21:10.000 The type of jet lag that a lot of people suffer from.

01:21:13.000 Yeah.

01:21:14.000 Because by the time you arrive, you're already calibrated.

01:21:17.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:21:17.000 I don't know how the fuck they're doing that. 0.95

01:21:19.000 It doesn't make any sense to me. 0.98

01:21:21.000 I've seen...

01:21:22.000 16-hour flights, you know.

01:21:23.000 I've seen this...

01:21:24.000 I heard about this new kind of light that they have that you can put in basements that somehow perfectly replicates sunlight so that it's...

01:21:34.000 I don't know.

01:21:35.000 It's amazing, but it's super expensive.

01:21:36.000 So you can grow weed?

01:21:37.000 Well, no, it's not.

01:21:38.000 I've heard of those, too.

01:21:40.000 I've heard of a thing, man.

01:21:41.000 It's called hydroponics.

01:21:42.000 Have you heard of it?

01:21:43.000 I guess everybody's just growing tomatoes.

01:21:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:21:46.000 You fucking go down Ventura Boulevard, and there's like 15 different stores selling you indoor tomato growing supplies. 1.00

01:21:53.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:21:53.000 That's a lot of tomatoes. 1.00

01:21:55.000 I remember when I used to just think that's what it was. 0.99

01:21:57.000 Like, shit, yeah, there's a lot of indoor farmers. 0.99

01:21:59.000 Yeah, another heirloom specialist. 1.00

01:22:02.000 Well, did you hear about the former FBI agents whose house got broken down?

01:22:07.000 They broke down the door.

01:22:09.000 DEA agents, I think they shot their dog.

01:22:11.000 I don't know.

01:22:12.000 They love to shoot dogs.

01:22:13.000 They have to.

01:22:13.000 It's in the Constitution.

01:22:14.000 Arrested them and then found out that they were just really growing tomatoes.

01:22:18.000 They literally were growing tomatoes.

01:22:20.000 So these people were former agents.

01:22:23.000 These guys were retired agents. 1.00

01:22:25.000 They're trying to grow some vegetables, make a nice salad, and they got a fucking gun to their back. 1.00

01:22:30.000 That's karma. 1.00

01:22:31.000 There's some karma.

01:22:31.000 There's some karma in that.

01:22:32.000 I guess so.

01:22:33.000 Well, at least, if not karma, there's a recognition of the system that you participated in for most of your adult life.

01:22:38.000 Right.

01:22:39.000 There's your career.

01:22:40.000 Here's what you did.

01:22:40.000 You fed this machine.

01:22:41.000 A machine that's looking for too much electricity being used in your basement, which could be indicative of plant growth. 1.00

01:22:48.000 If you have plant growth in your house, well, you fucker, you're probably a criminal. 1.00

01:22:51.000 Time to kick your door in with guns. 1.00

01:22:54.000 Think about that. 0.97

01:22:55.000 Boom, boom, boom. 0.99

01:22:56.000 Goddammit. 0.97

01:22:56.000 We talk about this all the time, but if you really... 0.97

01:22:59.000 Let yourself accept the fact that right now at this moment, flying over neighborhoods are high-tech helicopters scanning the radiation from the houses to find out if inside there are growing plants that aren't accepted by the state.

01:23:19.000 That's really weird, man.

01:23:20.000 That's why I'm leaving. 1.00

01:23:22.000 I'm going back to Spain where they don't do that shit. 1.00

01:23:24.000 They don't do that there? 0.99

01:23:25.000 They don't do it in Portland either, though, dude.

01:23:26.000 You can stay in Portland.

01:23:28.000 They don't have the resources.

01:23:29.000 Go to Eugene.

01:23:30.000 They're definitely not doing it there.

01:23:32.000 I like Eugene.

01:23:33.000 It's nice.

01:23:33.000 But have you seen the new radar that they have now where they can look deep into your house?

01:23:40.000 They can look into your house and see your silhouettes so they can watch people fuck. 0.99

01:23:45.000 They could look through this screen and literally see you inside your house, blinds drawn, banging your wife on the bed. 1.00

01:23:51.000 But who wants to see two skeletons fucking? 1.00

01:23:53.000 I do. 1.00

01:23:54.000 I love it.

01:23:55.000 Why not?

01:23:55.000 I think you could see images.

01:23:59.000 Like you could see the outside of the body as well.

01:24:02.000 It's not just as simple as you see the skeleton only.

01:24:04.000 Well, eventually you'll see.

01:24:05.000 I'm sure they'll figure out a way to interpolate whatever data they're gathering and turn it into something that isn't shadows.

01:24:11.000 It's just a matter of time.

01:24:12.000 And it's a matter of time.

01:24:13.000 Any technology that is being controlled by the state Because it's too expensive for normal people to obtain.

01:24:21.000 Eventually, more than likely, will become less and less expensive, and everyone will have it.

01:24:27.000 So, if right now, there's some insane technology that people are using to look through walls and see shadows fuck, then it's a, what, 10, 15 years before it's gonna be something that you could just order, or something that you can download on your super sophisticated phone.

01:24:41.000 Like drones for Christmas.

01:24:43.000 NYPD is using mobile x-ray vans to spy on unknown targets.

01:24:49.000 Wow.

01:24:49.000 A friend of mine used to work for the company who makes those.

01:24:52.000 And what they were doing was they were scanning container ships coming in and out of the country or coming into the country.

01:24:58.000 So they could look for drugs without opening up the containers.

01:25:01.000 Look what this says.

01:25:02.000 Stop right there for a second.

01:25:03.000 New York City won't reveal how often cops bombard places, vehicles, or people with radiation, or if there are health risks for residents.

01:25:11.000 They won't reveal it.

01:25:13.000 They don't talk about it.

01:25:14.000 The technology was used in Afghanistan before being loosed on US streets.

01:25:18.000 Each x-ray van cost an estimated $729,000.

01:25:23.000 To $825,000. 0.99

01:25:25.000 That's a big fucking difference. 0.96

01:25:26.000 I will not talk about anything at all about this, New York Police Commissioner Bill Bratton told a journalist. 0.99

01:25:31.000 Even though you paid for it.

01:25:32.000 Wow. 1.00

01:25:33.000 Yeah, how's that for a fuck you? 1.00

01:25:34.000 It falls into the range of security and counterterrorism activity that we engage in. 0.99

01:25:38.000 He added they're not used to scan people for weapons.

01:25:41.000 But you know what's hilarious?

01:25:42.000 They've used the terrorist acts, like various terrorist acts all across the world, to catch people selling drugs.

01:25:48.000 Because you can sell drugs as an act of terror.

01:25:51.000 It falls under.

01:25:53.000 Sure.

01:25:53.000 Financing.

01:25:54.000 They just passed some new Patriot Act.

01:25:57.000 You know that, right?

01:25:59.000 Do you know the new Patriot Act that was like quietly secretly passed? 0.99

01:26:03.000 Is that the CISA or whatever the fuck it is? 0.97

01:26:07.000 Yeah, the one where Obama said, I'm going to watch Star Wars and he apparently just signed this demonic thing. 0.99

01:26:14.000 Yeah, it's scary.

01:26:15.000 Well, there's a lot of leeway now for what they can and can't spy on you for.

01:26:22.000 What they decide to look into your life for.

01:26:24.000 So let me, if we follow up what you were saying about how something controlled by the state, you know, gets miniaturized and cheaper and eventually becomes available to everyone.

01:26:34.000 If we apply that same thing to weaponry, I've been thinking about this for a long time.

01:26:38.000 Nukes are getting smaller and smaller.

01:26:40.000 They've got suitcase nukes now.

01:26:41.000 Thank God.

01:26:42.000 Yeah.

01:26:43.000 Much more convenient.

01:26:45.000 It's so annoying to have to carry one in your truck.

01:26:48.000 Are we going to come to the point where any terrorist group, so-called terrorist group, and I use that word in air quotes, can have access to these things?

01:26:59.000 What's that going to mean to world politics?

01:27:04.000 Kind of like everyone in Switzerland has guns, you know, this philosophy, if everyone had guns, everyone would chill out and be nice to each other.

01:27:11.000 Are we going to come to that point internationally, where if people are aggrieved enough, they can really fuck up the game?

01:27:20.000 Then the tension will shift to not having people so aggrieved. 0.98

01:27:24.000 Because right now, we don't give a fuck, right? 0.99

01:27:26.000 We'll go blow them up. 1.00

01:27:27.000 If they're that pissed off, they're going to come for us, then we'll send drones and kill them all. 1.00

01:27:31.000 But if they could come for us with a speedboat and nukes... 0.99

01:27:35.000 Is that a game changer or do you think the whole thing just shifts to another level and stays the same?

01:27:39.000 We would have to address the root of the problem if it was that accessible.

01:27:43.000 That's what I'm thinking.

01:27:45.000 It's like the ultimate statement of an armed society is a polite society.

01:27:50.000 It's almost like the ultimate expression of that. 0.98

01:27:52.000 Like a well-armed nuclear society is fucking super polite. 1.00

01:27:57.000 Imagine knocking on your neighbor's door and telling him his dog's barking too loud when he's wearing a fucking nuke vest. 0.99

01:28:01.000 He's like, um, what were you saying? 0.99

01:28:04.000 My dog's making too much noise? 1.00

01:28:05.000 Fuck it, man. 1.00

01:28:06.000 I want to take care of him. 1.00

01:28:07.000 Do you want the dog?

01:28:08.000 I'm gonna hit this button.

01:28:09.000 Let's just do this.

01:28:10.000 I'm gonna wipe out the whole block.

01:28:11.000 No, man, what you're talking about, I did an interview up at...

01:28:15.000 That's a very good point. 0.55

01:28:16.000 I did an interview at Singularity University, and he brought up this exact thing, which is that, you know, he was explaining it in terms of, Bioweapons that people are creating these like apparently are like fucking around with jeans in their garages.

01:28:37.000 And then he was saying like things like the ability to launch satellites and just about anything you can imagine.

01:28:43.000 What he said...

01:28:45.000 And I think he may have, I mean, I don't know, he didn't say he was exaggerating, but he said we're looking at, if technology continues to accelerate as it is, we're looking at a point in human history where anybody, if they wanted to, could destroy the entire planet or cause massive damage.

01:29:03.000 And so, You think to yourself, alright, well let's imagine that that was the case, and somehow, by some miracle, every government of the world suddenly figured out a way to address everybody's personal issues.

01:29:16.000 There was still gonna be one or two, more likely a thousand people, who were like, no, that's cool, man, but...

01:29:24.000 I think I'm gonna detonate this nuclear bomb that I've created in my 3D printer getting from fucking who knows how I mean it's a big question mark or something even worse than that so this thing what you're talking about I think is the that awful race Terence McKenna talked about that we're in which is that here we have this race between absolute destruction and some kind of via tech technology that doesn't even exist yet and some kind of utopian Awakening. 0.90

01:29:55.000 I know this kind of stuff probably makes you want to punch me, but... 0.99

01:29:58.000 It makes me want to hug you and kiss you. 1.00

01:30:01.000 Because it's ridiculous. 0.99

01:30:02.000 But these are these two races that are happening right now.

01:30:07.000 One of them is, without question, technology is going to get to the point where every single human has access to some kind of device more powerful than any other human in the past ever had access to.

01:30:22.000 And the question is, Is that going to happen before some other form of technology emerges that makes us all unify into one organism or some beautiful thing happens?

01:30:36.000 I mean, it's a pretty terrifying...

01:30:38.000 It's a terrifying relay race, man.

01:30:40.000 It really is.

01:30:41.000 It's not a relay race.

01:30:42.000 It's a terrifying race.

01:30:44.000 But isn't that kind of always the case?

01:30:45.000 Like, we need some sort of a problem to overcome it.

01:30:49.000 We need competition.

01:30:50.000 We need a yin and a yang.

01:30:51.000 We need a dark and a light.

01:30:52.000 We need...

01:30:53.000 You know, we need a tide.

01:30:55.000 We need, like, a cycle. 0.57

01:30:56.000 It's almost like we need this resistance of, like, us building towards this technological singularity, almost, that's gonna be in your fuckin' iPhone, and everyone's gonna have the ability, and we're like, well, we have to fix humanity in order to have this happen!

01:31:11.000 The only way that we're gonna survive is we fix humanity!

01:31:14.000 And so, you know what I've been thinking?

01:31:16.000 And this is something, I've never talked to an economist about this, but, in my own stupid head, I think we're gonna run into a bottleneck with technology, and I think one of the big bottlenecks is technology is all about access to information, right?

01:31:31.000 Technology, like as far as what's going on, it's like your ability to do things, whether it's to project images on screens or to download things faster or to number crunch or the various different things that technology can do.

01:31:46.000 But what we're using, the way we're using it today, A big factor is the ability to exchange information and the access to information and the access to each other.

01:31:55.000 And it seems like it's getting closer and closer and closer, right?

01:31:57.000 Access is getting quicker.

01:31:59.000 There's more information.

01:32:00.000 It's easier to get to.

01:32:01.000 The boundaries between people are getting smaller and smaller.

01:32:03.000 What's the bottleneck?

01:32:04.000 Bottleneck's going to be money, and money is ones and zeros.

01:32:08.000 That's what money is.

01:32:09.000 Ultimately, all information becomes available to all people at all times.

01:32:14.000 That's ultimate enlightenment, right?

01:32:16.000 Instantaneous information constantly available to everyone.

01:32:19.000 Well, isn't money information now?

01:32:21.000 Because money's not sacks of gold.

01:32:22.000 You're not talking about, you know, I've got 15 bushels of gold.

01:32:26.000 How many you got?

01:32:27.000 I win.

01:32:27.000 No, we're talking about some weird ones and zeros and plastic that makes these ones and zeros transfer.

01:32:34.000 Your magnetic strip, you slide on the machine, you punch in your numbers.

01:32:38.000 It's not real anymore.

01:32:40.000 It's information.

01:32:41.000 And transferring our money to information.

01:32:45.000 The bottleneck is going to be money.

01:32:47.000 We're going to come to this ultimate point where we realize, look, we can't protect money anymore.

01:32:52.000 You can't say, this is Duncan's money, this is Chris's money, because it's going to be just money.

01:32:56.000 It's going to be just money.

01:32:58.000 And, I mean, maybe there'll be some sort of a merit-based use system Where you can have access to money or use money.

01:33:06.000 We'll have to figure out some sort of a way around it, but it'll have to be some sort of like ethical thing that we all agree on.

01:33:11.000 If I'm looking at it correctly and I'm looking at all these trends that lead to quicker and quicker access to information, more and more availability of that information, access to information becoming universal, what's the money?

01:33:25.000 Money is information.

01:33:26.000 It's ones and zeros.

01:33:27.000 That's all it is.

01:33:28.000 Well, how are you going to stop it if that's the trend?

01:33:30.000 If the trend ultimately becomes instantaneous, constant access to all information for everybody, no secrets, none exist anymore.

01:33:38.000 They don't exist.

01:33:39.000 I can read your email.

01:33:40.000 You can read mine.

01:33:41.000 We're all communicating with each other.

01:33:42.000 That's it.

01:33:42.000 There's no more secrets.

01:33:44.000 How does money fit in there? 0.98

01:33:45.000 Unless we go back to fucking collecting clamshells and putting them on strings and this is, look how many knots I have on my string. 0.98

01:33:52.000 That's what I mean. 0.98

01:33:52.000 That's what I used to do. 0.98

01:33:53.000 We don't have silver coins and shit. 0.97

01:33:54.000 What are we going to do? 0.97

01:33:55.000 But I would question the premise that money ever was real.

01:34:00.000 You seem to be saying that we're reaching a point where it will no longer be real, like bushels of gold.

01:34:05.000 That's just symbolic, too.

01:34:07.000 I don't think money ever was anything more than agreement between people that we're all going to pretend this is real.

01:34:12.000 It's true, right?

01:34:13.000 Because locally, your money is different than someone in Greece.

01:34:17.000 You go with your money there.

01:34:19.000 There's some exchange.

01:34:20.000 You have to make an agreement.

01:34:21.000 Do you accept my money?

01:34:22.000 Well, I accept your money, but it's not really worth a dollar.

01:34:24.000 How much is it worth over here?

01:34:26.000 75 cents. 0.99

01:34:27.000 God damn it! 0.99

01:34:28.000 But last month it was $1.25. 0.99

01:34:30.000 Well, times have changed.

01:34:30.000 We don't like your money as much anymore.

01:34:32.000 And they make deals.

01:34:34.000 Our central bank, who's staffed by people we don't know.

01:34:37.000 I mean, there's a lot of mystery at the heart of that.

01:34:39.000 We used to be able to go to Canada, and it was awesome.

01:34:42.000 We'd do Montreal, and you'd get like $1.50 for a dollar.

01:34:46.000 Right.

01:34:46.000 Something like that.

01:34:46.000 Yeah.

01:34:47.000 And it was amazing.

01:34:48.000 Food would be cheaper.

01:34:50.000 Everything would be cheaper.

01:34:51.000 Like, oh, your money goes a long way in Canada.

01:34:53.000 And then it shifted.

01:34:54.000 And then the Canadians would come to America because the money would go a long way here. 0.97

01:34:57.000 Their money was worth more than ours.

01:34:58.000 Have you ever heard of Grant Morrison?

01:35:00.000 Yeah.

01:35:00.000 Do you know Grant?

01:35:01.000 You should have him on the show, man.

01:35:02.000 He's fantastic.

01:35:02.000 A genius.

01:35:03.000 But refresh my memory.

01:35:05.000 Grant Morrison, he writes a bunch of incredible comic books.

01:35:08.000 One of them I'm super into right now are graphic novels called The Invisibles.

01:35:12.000 But he's really smart.

01:35:13.000 There's a Grant Morrison lecture.

01:35:16.000 He was at a Disinfo gathering, and he gives this really cool lecture or talk.

01:35:22.000 And one of the things he said is that the super elite...

01:35:26.000 They have gone back to a barter economy because money doesn't mean anything to you if you have billions and billions and billions of dollars.

01:35:32.000 So the normal way to get someone to do something is to say, okay, I'll give you X dollars for you to do this thing.

01:35:38.000 But if you've got infinite money, And someone asks you to do something to give you more money to add to your infinite pool of money, it's not an incentive anymore.

01:35:47.000 You're not incentivized by money, so it's more like, what can you do for me?

01:35:52.000 It goes back to some kind of weird, maybe you're gonna barter power, maybe you're gonna barter some Access or something like that, but money is irrelevant to the super elite.

01:36:03.000 Money only means something to people who are in the lower and middle class. 0.80

01:36:07.000 Once you have an infinite amount of the shit, it's completely and absolutely irrelevant, which is what you're saying. 0.95

01:36:13.000 Everything then, theoretically, would have to go back to some weird barter economy. 0.97

01:36:17.000 Right, but we're never going to reach a point of ultimate resources where everyone has the same access to things that the super elite does because there's just not enough stuff.

01:36:24.000 Well, this is where you get into, like, this is where you get into the idea of experience generation.

01:36:30.000 You know, like, if we get to, like, Google, this thing you're talking about, Google contact lenses, it's not going to stop at the eye.

01:36:37.000 Right. 0.99

01:36:38.000 Like, technology is doing the thing to us that the fucking face suckers on aliens do. 1.00

01:36:44.000 It started off far away. 0.99

01:36:46.000 It was our phones.

01:36:47.000 It was our computers.

01:36:49.000 Then it, like, it was on our desks.

01:36:52.000 It was a nice, safe distance.

01:36:54.000 Then it got into our pockets.

01:36:55.000 It tried to climb onto our face with the Google Glasses, but nobody liked that.

01:37:00.000 But now it's getting into our eyes, and it's not going to stop at our eyes.

01:37:03.000 Technology is going to merge with our consciousness, and when it merges with our consciousness, the theory would be that it could somehow create experiences that were indistinguishable from reality, which means that, really, what's the difference?

01:37:16.000 There is no more We're already using bionic parts on people.

01:37:21.000 Right.

01:37:22.000 Sure.

01:37:22.000 Hips.

01:37:23.000 Yeah.

01:37:24.000 Yeah, all sorts of stuff.

01:37:26.000 My wife has ocular implants. 1.00

01:37:28.000 She has lenses surgically implanted in her eyes. 0.91

01:37:32.000 Yeah, this is, I mean, this is not new stuff.

01:37:34.000 They're doing artificial knees.

01:37:36.000 They're doing artificial hips. 1.00

01:37:38.000 I mean, how long is it going to be before someone comes along and says, listen, Duncan, you have two choices.

01:37:44.000 You can either wear glasses, you have 2400 Yes.

01:37:47.000 And, you know, we have glasses for you and that's fine if you enjoy it.

01:37:49.000 Or, it's a really simple procedure.

01:37:51.000 It takes five minutes.

01:37:52.000 We replace your eyeball with an artificial eyeball.

01:37:55.000 Do it.

01:37:55.000 You don't feel any pain.

01:37:56.000 But you'll have to put up with ads every 60 seconds.

01:37:59.000 Okay, well, I'll opt out.

01:38:00.000 Well, you can click that ad.

01:38:01.000 You can click the ad.

01:38:02.000 You just reach up.

01:38:04.000 You touch the X in space.

01:38:08.000 What's the name of that thought experiment about the ship?

01:38:11.000 Somebody's ship?

01:38:12.000 You know the one where it's like, the idea is like a sailor is sailing across the ocean and the mast, he needs to replace the mast.

01:38:21.000 And so he replaces the mast and then he replaces, I can't remember his name.

01:38:24.000 And it's a different ship.

01:38:26.000 By the time he gets there, All new parts, but it's still a ship.

01:38:29.000 So it's like with technology, it's the same thing.

01:38:33.000 Like, what if we keep replacing ours?

01:38:34.000 There it is, the ship of Theseus.

01:38:36.000 That's it, yeah.

01:38:38.000 So yeah, the idea is like, what is humanity?

01:38:42.000 Or when do we stop being a human?

01:38:44.000 Well, that's the whole idea about downloading consciousness, right?

01:38:46.000 Figuring out a way to put consciousness into a computer.

01:38:49.000 And how do you know when you've done it?

01:38:51.000 Like, how do you know what consciousness is?

01:38:52.000 I mean, is consciousness inexorably attached to your physical being?

01:38:56.000 Or is consciousness something that's out there that your consciousness is riding around this meat wagon?

01:39:03.000 Right.

01:39:04.000 Is that what's going on?

01:39:05.000 There's no agreement on that.

01:39:07.000 Also, we need to define what we mean by human.

01:39:09.000 Because I would argue that we've already left human experience and we're already well into something else.

01:39:15.000 What would you call it that we're into?

01:39:18.000 I equate it to, and you might know this, that every locust starts off as a grasshopper.

01:39:26.000 And what happens is there's this particular, the best example is in North Africa.

01:39:32.000 It's this species of grasshopper that when the density, the population density gets tight, sufficiently tight, there's a trigger point.

01:39:41.000 And different genes are triggered and activated in the body.

01:39:45.000 They're pre-existing genes, so it's the same DNA, but it changes the shape of the head, changes the legs, changes the coloration, and changes the behavior, and that's when they become locusts and swarm.

01:39:57.000 And so I think that humans are like the grasshopper locusts, and I think that with agriculture, we became locusts and started swarming, and we're well into swarm behavior at this point.

01:40:08.000 And so for the sake of argument, I would say...

01:40:11.000 Human, the way I would define it, is hunter-gatherer, which is 95 plus percent of our time on the planet.

01:40:17.000 That's human behavior.

01:40:19.000 And what we are now is shifted into this other, you could say artificial, you could just say emergent behavior pattern that conflicts with our grasshopper-ness, right?

01:40:32.000 And that we're suffering from.

01:40:33.000 That's what this latest book is about.

01:40:35.000 And so...

01:40:37.000 You know, I would say we're no longer human.

01:40:39.000 It's like we're a bunch of poodles talking about when we stop being wolves, you know? 0.97

01:40:43.000 I'll tell you this, if I was a fucking locust, and there was a grasshopper that's like, you're not a grasshopper anymore, I'd be like, awesome! 0.97

01:40:51.000 Because I can fly. 0.98

01:40:53.000 I'm flying.

01:40:54.000 I've evolved.

01:40:55.000 This is our major disagreement here, is you want to be a grasshopper?

01:40:58.000 I'm cool with being a locust, but...

01:41:02.000 But it's an interesting thing, right?

01:41:05.000 Well, what I think he's saying is there's more inherent biological happiness into remaining a grasshopper or remaining a human.

01:41:12.000 Right.

01:41:12.000 That's why the things that resonate most deeply with us are the things that reflect that pre-agricultural life.

01:41:19.000 You hunting, for example.

01:41:21.000 You're not having trouble focusing your mind when you're hunting.

01:41:24.000 It just comes to you.

01:41:25.000 You don't think about anything else.

01:41:27.000 You're tapping in.

01:41:28.000 Have you ever caught a nice fish?

01:41:29.000 You've gone fishing before.

01:41:30.000 Yes, I have.

01:41:31.000 You know that feeling when you catch a nice fish?

01:41:33.000 There's a feeling.

01:41:34.000 There's a primal reaction.

01:41:37.000 I'm saying a nice fish because it's easier for people to accept because it's a cold-blooded animal.

01:41:42.000 There's something about when you get a nice deer in your sights and you're ready to end its life.

01:41:46.000 People are like, no!

01:41:48.000 Right when I'm about to eat a bear.

01:41:50.000 No!

01:41:51.000 But you say a fish, they go, oh, you caught a fish?

01:41:53.000 They eat other fish.

01:41:54.000 Yeah.

01:41:55.000 Whatever.

01:41:56.000 It's just for whatever reason, people don't care if you catch a fish. 0.99

01:41:58.000 They don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:41:59.000 We differentiate. 0.99

01:42:01.000 We have more value in warm-blooded animals than we put in fish. 1.00

01:42:07.000 For whatever fucking reason. 0.99

01:42:07.000 Well, because fish can't scream. 0.99

01:42:09.000 I mean, I think if...

01:42:12.000 Mitch Hedberg's got that great joke, like, thank God the fish can't scream because the ocean would be the scariest place because you'd just be hearing screaming.

01:42:21.000 Fish jacking each other.

01:42:22.000 That's true.

01:42:23.000 That's right.

01:42:24.000 But there is something about their expressionlessness that makes some people, I think.

01:42:28.000 They don't take care of their young. 0.95

01:42:29.000 That's a big one.

01:42:30.000 Like this woman said that to me, one of the reasons why she eats fish. 1.00

01:42:32.000 She doesn't eat chicken or any other animals.

01:42:34.000 I go, why?

01:42:35.000 She goes, well, fish don't take care of their young. 1.00

01:42:37.000 I was like, damn, that's gangster. 0.99

01:42:39.000 She drew the line in the sand. 1.00

01:42:40.000 And they eat each other.

01:42:41.000 They do.

01:42:42.000 Well, they're cannibals. 0.99

01:42:43.000 Almost exclusively.

01:42:44.000 I mean, almost universally.

01:42:46.000 Like trout.

01:42:47.000 One of the best ways to catch trout is with little baby trout lures.

01:42:50.000 They look like a trout.

01:42:51.000 Largemouth bass.

01:42:52.000 Little largemouth bass lures.

01:42:53.000 Occasionally, you catch them with those. 0.99

01:42:55.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:42:56.000 They're just here to eat. 0.99

01:42:57.000 Whatever they can eat.

01:43:00.000 But it's innately, inherently meaningful is what I'm saying, right?

01:43:05.000 And the reason it's inherently meaningful is because that's the animal that we evolved to be.

01:43:09.000 And now we live in this society that's distracting us from that, trying to sell it back in little pieces.

01:43:15.000 Maybe you can afford a hunting weekend in Utah at this ranch.

01:43:19.000 And what the hell was the point?

01:43:21.000 We're talking about losing the change of humanity.

01:43:25.000 When do we stop being human? 0.99

01:43:26.000 Yeah, I think we already have and I think that's the major fucking ailment of our time. 0.99

01:43:31.000 It's certainly a part of it. 0.98

01:43:32.000 It's a part of it.

01:43:33.000 And I certainly think there's a series of reward systems in our bodies that are not getting checked off like they used to.

01:43:40.000 Like rewards like fear, overcoming fear, difficulty, physical exertion, all these different things that people did.

01:43:48.000 And then the thing of seeing the fish, catching the fish.

01:43:52.000 There's this visceral, genetic response to getting a fish.

01:43:55.000 Like, you got it, now you're going to eat.

01:43:57.000 And your friends are going to eat.

01:43:59.000 Yes.

01:43:59.000 When you pull a big fish out, you're like, ah!

01:44:01.000 There's this weird feeling where everybody get a little charge.

01:44:06.000 Like, we had a successful gathering.

01:44:08.000 You got something.

01:44:09.000 And now we can eat.

01:44:11.000 And that's built in.

01:44:13.000 It's built into your system.

01:44:14.000 And it doesn't exist when you go to the supermarket and you pick up that salmon steak that's already in saran wrap.

01:44:18.000 And it's already got the little styrofoam bottom.

01:44:21.000 You don't feel a damn thing.

01:44:22.000 You don't feel anything.

01:44:23.000 But you get the same amount of nutrients.

01:44:25.000 It's very strange what we've done.

01:44:27.000 We've completely removed all the natural elements while needing those natural elements at the same time.

01:44:33.000 So we've removed any connection that we have to, like, we're eating this...

01:44:38.000 Chris has brought this amazing ham.

01:44:40.000 What is this stuff called again?

01:44:41.000 Jamon jabugo.

01:44:42.000 It's delicious.

01:44:43.000 And explain it because it's a really cool way they make it.

01:44:46.000 Right.

01:44:46.000 It's made from pigs that are the same race of pigs that the Romans brought to Spain originally 2,000 years ago.

01:44:53.000 It's called pata negra, which means black foot.

01:44:57.000 So in Spanish ham, there are different gradations, and this is the highest gradation.

01:45:03.000 And all they do is eat acorns.

01:45:05.000 They live out in these big open fields.

01:45:08.000 Beautiful.

01:45:08.000 I've driven through there in Extremadura on my motorcycle.

01:45:12.000 And then they're cured.

01:45:13.000 It's not cooked at all.

01:45:14.000 It's not smoked.

01:45:15.000 It's cured with salt, lots of salt, and then hung up in certain temperature.

01:45:20.000 How long is it good for?

01:45:21.000 How long does it sit for?

01:45:23.000 Forever?

01:45:23.000 Forever.

01:45:24.000 And you can buy these.

01:45:25.000 I mean, I would love to bring you one, but I don't think they let them in the country.

01:45:28.000 But you buy the whole leg.

01:45:29.000 Whoa, like a whole ham that's cured.

01:45:31.000 Yeah, and in most Spanish houses, they'll have a ham and it'll be there. 0.74

01:45:34.000 And so they've got this holder and you have a long knife and you slice it really thin.

01:45:40.000 So it just doesn't go bad at all?

01:45:41.000 No, because it's cured.

01:45:42.000 That's incredible that you could have a whole ham leg sitting out.

01:45:45.000 All the way inside, yeah.

01:45:47.000 That's crazy.

01:45:48.000 So you put a towel over it or something so that flies don't get on it and that's it, you know?

01:45:53.000 And it's a traditional thing around Christmas to give a gift of a ham.

01:45:59.000 And it'll last five, six months, whatever, until they're done eating it.

01:46:03.000 That's crazy.

01:46:04.000 So my point being that this meat is in front of us.

01:46:07.000 It's delicious.

01:46:07.000 It's from an animal that wasn't even alive on this continent.

01:46:11.000 Someone killed it in Spain, did all this stuff to it.

01:46:14.000 You brought it over here.

01:46:14.000 We're eating it.

01:46:15.000 We have zero connection to any of those activities.

01:46:18.000 We're just eating it.

01:46:20.000 It's delicious.

01:46:20.000 We're loving it.

01:46:22.000 But it's all...

01:46:23.000 But not as much as if we'd raised the pig and been involved in the process, you know?

01:46:28.000 Well, I cooked a ham.

01:46:29.000 I smoked a ham.

01:46:30.000 I haven't done one for about six months, but the last one I did was an animal that I shot, and I smoked it in my...

01:46:37.000 You know, I brined it for six days, and then I smoked it.

01:46:40.000 It was like this big project that I did.

01:46:41.000 And yeah, it was a way different sort of a feeling when you're eating it.

01:46:44.000 It's like I have a leg.

01:46:46.000 I have a pig leg of a full ham on the bone.

01:46:49.000 It's about that big.

01:46:50.000 It's sitting in my freezer that I'm eventually going to brine sometime soon.

01:46:54.000 And I'll stick that sucker in this, it's like water with garlic and salt and brown sugar, and it sits in there for about six days. 0.96

01:47:02.000 And then I smoke it at like 250 degrees for hours and hours until it's just this juicy, delicious, 140 degrees in the center, so you know all the parasites, potential parasites are dead. 0.99

01:47:14.000 God, so good.

01:47:16.000 I got a big green egg, and I gotta say, man, there's nothing, there's some weird piece that comes over you.

01:47:23.000 What's a green egg?

01:47:23.000 It's just like, it's a really cool grill, man, and it's a fire grill, so you've gotta, you know, so there's no, it's not a gas grill, so you have to adjust the, there's like all these wonderful dials you have to adjust to get the heat right, but yeah, man, like when you're sitting over an open fire cooking,

01:47:41.000 It feels good.

01:47:42.000 I mean, I know what you mean. 0.98

01:47:45.000 It's like this thing like, oh shit, I miss this feeling. 0.97

01:47:48.000 This feels as good as when I jump into a swimming pool or something. 0.99

01:47:53.000 It's like elemental.

01:47:55.000 Or like a nutrient.

01:47:56.000 What he needs that you're not getting, and then you eat it, and your body's going, please, thank you, give me more.

01:48:01.000 Well, there's also this, like, there's moments that people throughout history have had success hunting and then eaten that meal over a campfire, and when you do that, that is the most rewarding of all fires.

01:48:13.000 Like, I've eaten meat that we shot, like, hours before from a deer on a campfire in the middle of Montana, and it was one of the greatest nights of my life.

01:48:22.000 It was amazing.

01:48:23.000 Me and Brian Callahan and Steve Rinella and my friend Ryan Callahan and a bunch of other friends were on this show.

01:48:29.000 And when we were sitting around this fire, we were eating, I was like, I can't remember a more enjoyable meal.

01:48:33.000 Because there's fire and there's an animal that was just killed and we're cooking it and preparing it together.

01:48:38.000 There's all this camaraderie.

01:48:39.000 There's this successful hunt aspect of it.

01:48:41.000 And then there's this primal satisfaction that you get from watching meat cook over fire.

01:48:47.000 And feeling the warmth of the, I don't know how cold it was, but there's a sense of accomplishment.

01:48:51.000 Like, we're comfortable because we're smart.

01:48:54.000 I love sleeping in a tent when it's raining, and you're like, wow.

01:48:58.000 Like, arm's length for me is miserable cold drizzle, and I am warm, I got my candle lantern, I got my doobies, I'm like completely happy here.

01:49:09.000 I love the sense of accomplishment in that.

01:49:11.000 That's another great feeling, the feeling of rain when you're safe inside.

01:49:15.000 We're sleeping in a van, even, you know, just the sound.

01:49:18.000 So I think this is the key to human happiness that we're ignoring, that our society takes all these things, that we're free and daily reality for our ancestors...

01:49:30.000 Takes them away and sells back cheap copies, along with antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds.

01:49:37.000 Right.

01:49:37.000 I think that's a summation of where we are.

01:49:40.000 Do you think that it's possible that we, like you said, are no longer human and we're becoming this other thing, that this is a drawn-out process and we're just caught up in the wake of it?

01:49:50.000 Yeah, we're in the process of being domesticated.

01:49:54.000 I mean, that's why I think when you look at the extreme progressive left movement that are just so...

01:50:05.000 Focused on like using the correct gender pronouns.

01:50:08.000 Do not offend.

01:50:09.000 Don't use this like we were talking about with this Harvard placemat that they're handing back.

01:50:13.000 This is like an uber domestic domestication thing.

01:50:17.000 I mean, it's almost like domestication.

01:50:20.000 Well, you look at the American male. 0.99

01:50:23.000 I mean, yeah, talk about getting your Balls snipped, man. 0.99

01:50:26.000 In the last 15 years, it's become offensive to even be a man. 0.98

01:50:30.000 It's become offensive to express a happiness with masculinity.

01:50:34.000 Right.

01:50:35.000 Like, to be a bro.

01:50:36.000 To be a straight man.

01:50:36.000 You can't be a bro.

01:50:37.000 There's even a term for it.

01:50:40.000 Look at...

01:50:41.000 I think if you look at what the real problem is, it seems to be that people have mistaken language with intention.

01:50:49.000 And so that's where the problem is.

01:50:52.000 It's that words, you know, certain words...

01:50:56.000 I mean, I've had it happen on Twitter where you get...

01:50:59.000 I think I did a podcast with Aubrey and he said, the female perspective... 0.99

01:51:04.000 And so someone on Twitter gets into an argument with me over how you shouldn't say female perspective.

01:51:11.000 And I was saying, well look, I know about the female perspective because I see from it a lot. 0.65

01:51:16.000 Because inside of me, I have a feminine side of me, so I know what that is.

01:51:23.000 Carl Jung was talking about the anima and the animus, that there's a masculine and a feminine inside of everybody, that they're just in you.

01:51:30.000 Not me, bro.

01:51:31.000 I know, you're free of it.

01:51:33.000 You're free of it.

01:51:34.000 Speak for yourself, bro. 0.99

01:51:36.000 But it's that, when people get caught up in the symbol versus what the symbol is representing, and completely ignore the fact, like think of how many different forms of fuck there are, like the term fuck, or how many different forms of the word shit there are. 0.99

01:51:52.000 And all of them are intention-based, you know? 1.00

01:51:54.000 Like, you could say, if I say, there's so many ways I could say fuck you to you. 1.00

01:51:58.000 Like, I'd be like, fuck you, man. 1.00

01:52:00.000 Or I could be like, hey, fuck you, man. 1.00

01:52:02.000 And it's two different fuck yous. 1.00

01:52:04.000 Or you could do something awesome and I'd go, dude, fuck you. 1.00

01:52:08.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:52:09.000 Like that works too, right?

01:52:11.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:52:11.000 Or like, man, I'm going to fuck you, Joe. 1.00

01:52:15.000 The point is, every single one of these has behind it an energy that has been encapsulated into the sound, and that energy is all that matters to me. 0.99

01:52:27.000 And the fact that everyone has been caught up in the sound itself and forgotten the fact that the energy behind it is all that matters, that's where things are getting fucked up.

01:52:36.000 Exactly what we were talking about earlier when we were talking about religion. 0.80

01:52:39.000 Exactly.

01:52:40.000 And drugs, right?

01:52:41.000 We're talking about why people are addicted to drugs.

01:52:44.000 We're not talking about the emptiness of their lives that leads them into those heroin and prescription drugs and all that.

01:52:50.000 Also terrorism.

01:52:51.000 We're talking about bombs going off and people getting killed.

01:52:54.000 We're not talking about why someone's life is so empty that you put on a suicide vest in the first place.

01:53:00.000 We're looking at the surface of things and we're not interested in what's going on behind.

01:53:04.000 I was watching Fox News the other day.

01:53:07.000 And there was some woman who was on, and she was doing one of those open letter to the president things.

01:53:12.000 And she was doing it all Fox News-y.

01:53:14.000 And she was saying, this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values.

01:53:20.000 And she was going to this thing about responding, and Obama's response to the terror attacks in Paris.

01:53:26.000 Not sufficiently bro-ish.

01:53:27.000 Exactly.

01:53:28.000 Not sufficiently aggressive or didn't make her feel comfortable that he's on top of it.

01:53:35.000 Your job is to keep me safe.

01:53:37.000 But it's just really an opportunity for her to step up and proclaim her ideology to be the greatest ideology.

01:53:46.000 And this other ideology that's killing people Right.

01:53:50.000 These representatives of this ideology.

01:53:52.000 There's the enemy of this United States of America, which was founded by my cult. 0.87

01:53:57.000 Right.

01:53:58.000 That's it, man.

01:53:59.000 That's interesting.

01:54:00.000 Just saying.

01:54:00.000 Yeah, because you realize that there is a kind of war that's raging around this planet, but it's like a war against people who are For whatever reason, intent on expressing anger into the world, intent on expressing power over other people into the world,

01:54:18.000 and people who are thinking, I think there might be another way.

01:54:21.000 Maybe there was a way that we could re-adapt or maybe evolve to fit into this society, or maybe there's a whole new way where we don't have to try to constantly punch back at a person who has punched us.

01:54:34.000 That's the war. 0.99

01:54:35.000 It's just a war between when you get fucking hit on the interstate, when your nice car gets hit because some asshole isn't paying attention, do you get out and scream at him or do you ask him if he's okay? 1.00

01:54:47.000 And there's a whole group of people who think, no, you fuck that motherfucker up. 1.00

01:54:51.000 You teach him a lesson. 1.00

01:54:52.000 Let him understand that if he's not paying fucking attention, he's going to get fucked up. 1.00

01:54:56.000 You become dead. 1.00

01:54:57.000 The hand of God in the world, bringing vengeance as much as you can.

01:55:02.000 Or the other version of it is you try to overcome that desire and you become a servant of some concept, which is the most important thing, even if we've lost everything, man.

01:55:13.000 Even if we become locusts and it's all gone, and you know, the more you talk about it, man, the more I do know what you mean.

01:55:19.000 Earlier, I was like, ah, I'm a locust, but I do hear what you're saying.

01:55:22.000 I think it's very sweet and actually kind of tragic and sad.

01:55:25.000 But if this is the case, then we still have to figure out a way to, like, Even now, as much as possible, put out into the world, love, and it doesn't matter what language we're using, if love is behind it, I think that's the highest thing, by the way.

01:55:40.000 I think that's all that matters, is like, that meal was good because you were with people you loved. 0.67

01:55:45.000 If you were sitting after that hunt with a bunch of people that you disliked or assholes, I bet it wouldn't have been as delicious of a meal. 0.96

01:55:52.000 Yeah, but here's the problem with that thought. 0.98

01:55:54.000 It wouldn't have been as good.

01:55:55.000 We had several meals behind the campfire where we didn't kill anything.

01:55:58.000 It wasn't as good.

01:56:00.000 And also, you're in a love-supporting environment there.

01:56:05.000 You're working together, you're in nature, you're around a fire.

01:56:09.000 And you're successful at something that's difficult. 0.97

01:56:10.000 All those things, even if they were assholes, you'd probably find more common ground with them there than you would sitting around a conference table. 0.92

01:56:20.000 There's also a separation from society, complete total separation. 0.97

01:56:25.000 When you're up there, there's no cell phone signal.

01:56:26.000 You don't hear anything.

01:56:28.000 It's complete silence.

01:56:29.000 It's a very strange feeling of almost a lonely detachment because you realize you're not just off the grid.

01:56:36.000 The grid is nowhere to be seen.

01:56:38.000 And you need each other.

01:56:39.000 Yeah, you need each other.

01:56:40.000 I think that's where we come from.

01:56:43.000 We come from this place where we need each other and where the first thing you think...

01:56:47.000 You know, like hunter-gatherers, they share arrows.

01:56:52.000 They do?

01:56:53.000 Yeah, they typically share arrows.

01:56:54.000 So I make arrows a certain way, you make them another way, whatever.

01:56:57.000 But then we all give them to each other.

01:56:59.000 They're constantly flowing.

01:57:00.000 So you might be on a hunt where you shot the elk.

01:57:03.000 That arrow that you shot is in the elk, but I made it.

01:57:07.000 And it's a way of obscuring who gets credit for the kill.

01:57:11.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:57:12.000 And you find this universally among foragers, whether it's in the Inuit or in Papua New Guinea.

01:57:18.000 They have these mechanisms to make sure that the sharing happens, not only of the meat, but of the reputational aspect.

01:57:26.000 That's interesting.

01:57:27.000 Everybody's cool.

01:57:29.000 There are all these mechanisms built in to keep anybody from getting too big for their britches.

01:57:33.000 Until the cannibals move in. 0.99

01:57:36.000 And then they start killing people and eating them because there's no protein because their owls suck and they couldn't get any elk. 0.98

01:57:43.000 Yeah, it's a problem. 0.99

01:57:44.000 The cannibals will move in. 1.00

01:57:45.000 Those motherfuckers. 1.00

01:57:46.000 You gotta be ready. 1.00

01:57:47.000 I love that idea.

01:57:48.000 Here's the good news about the locusts.

01:57:49.000 They do switch back to grasshoppers.

01:57:52.000 Oh, you can be a grasshopper again.

01:57:53.000 The swarm stops.

01:57:54.000 Yeah, eventually. 1.00

01:57:55.000 And then you can't fly anymore, you fuck. 1.00

01:57:57.000 And locusts are cannibalistic and grasshoppers aren't. 1.00

01:58:00.000 Wow.

01:58:01.000 To tie it into the whole cannibalism thing. 0.95

01:58:02.000 They eat each other?

01:58:03.000 Yeah.

01:58:03.000 That's why they swarm, because if you slow down, the one behind you will eat you.

01:58:07.000 Oh my god.

01:58:09.000 That's the work.

01:58:09.000 That's what we are.

01:58:11.000 It's like working at Amazon.

01:58:11.000 Well, that's what's like working in New York City.

01:58:15.000 Working at Amazon is supposed to be crazy, right?

01:58:16.000 Yeah, and those warehouses.

01:58:17.000 They all run around.

01:58:18.000 Especially this time of year.

01:58:19.000 They have a timer.

01:58:21.000 I think it was a Radiolab podcast.

01:58:23.000 It was one of the podcasts that I listened to that talked to an ex-employee at Amazon about what kind of stress it is to work.

01:58:29.000 Say if you order something.

01:58:31.000 Say if you order an LED flashlight.

01:58:33.000 Yeah.

01:58:33.000 And it shows up on their, they have like a little pad, like a, you know, a tablet device, and it has a timer.

01:58:40.000 And it's like, you have to go find this, and you have to grab it, and you have like 30 seconds.

01:58:45.000 So you're like literally running, looking for this flashlight, and you have to get it to the sorting, and put it in the box, and get the label on it.

01:58:54.000 It's like a terrible game show.

01:58:56.000 Yeah.

01:58:57.000 Exactly.

01:58:58.000 There was a show like that when I was a kid where you had to run the money maze or something like that.

01:59:04.000 I remember that.

01:59:04.000 You had to fill your cart up with the most expensive things or something.

01:59:07.000 Well, no, this is a different one.

01:59:09.000 This is where you got, like, couples, and you got the wives up on a platform and the two husbands down, and there's a maze where the wall's seven feet high, and the women can see where the money is, and they're yelling to their husbands like rats, like, no, go left!

01:59:24.000 No, I said left!

01:59:25.000 Ah!

01:59:26.000 And the husbands are scurrying around in the maze.

01:59:28.000 And whoever gets to the money pot first wins.

01:59:31.000 It's a good divorce-generating game show.

01:59:34.000 Like so many of them.

01:59:36.000 What do you think, man?

01:59:37.000 You think it's hopeless?

01:59:39.000 When you talk about it, and you talk about it, and then I think about it...

01:59:44.000 It fills you with a kind of weird nostalgia.

01:59:49.000 You think, my God, there's a type of life that is clearly still accessible to people, but maybe not accessible to everyone as a whole.

01:59:58.000 Do you have any idea of how you would reorganize or restructure society?

02:00:04.000 What I say in the book is, there's no way we're going back.

02:00:08.000 That's over, right?

02:00:09.000 Because they're 7 billion, they're going to be 10 billion in 100 years.

02:00:12.000 There's no way.

02:00:13.000 There's not enough land or animals or whatever.

02:00:15.000 So we're going to live in an artificial environment.

02:00:18.000 But, you know, you're going to live in a zoo.

02:00:20.000 Do you want to live in the Calcutta Zoo or the San Diego Zoo?

02:00:23.000 Right?

02:00:23.000 I mean, come on.

02:00:24.000 The San Diego Zoo, it's built with an understanding of the natural environment of the animals that are enclosed there. 0.88

02:00:30.000 So I want to live in a natural environment that's got my interests in mind, and in order to do that, you have to understand what kind of animal Homo sapiens is, which means you have to cut through a lot of the bullshit propaganda that you've been hearing your whole life. 0.90

02:00:42.000 This Hobbesian bullshit about how prehistoric people all died in their 30s, and it was a struggle for survival, and predators lurked in every shadow, and it was this terrible You know, dangerous world.

02:00:53.000 You actually look at the anthropological data, hunter-gatherers are chilled out, happy, relaxed people who are not dealing with the sorts of chronic stress we are. 0.97

02:01:02.000 And you hear all these bullshit arguments that wouldn't last a second if they weren't Propping up the civilizational edifice, like that everyone died in their 30s in Hunter Gathers. 0.61

02:01:14.000 That's absolutely untrue. 0.98

02:01:16.000 But I just heard the Dean of the Medical School of Columbia University say it in an NPR interview.

02:01:23.000 It's everywhere.

02:01:25.000 Not the worst thing to happen, dude.

02:01:26.000 Die young.

02:01:27.000 Well, there's certainly some benefits to modern medicine, 100%.

02:01:30.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:01:31.000 But there's also some negative consequences of our overly complicated society.

02:01:36.000 There's no doubt about it.

02:01:37.000 I mean, the levels of depression that people experience and the levels of discontent with their existence, you know, we were talking yesterday about people wanting to take a chance to go do something.

02:01:48.000 They want to do something outside of what they're doing for a job.

02:01:51.000 Maybe they like making pottery or whatever it is.

02:01:55.000 They just don't have the time.

02:01:56.000 Maybe they want to be a tattooist.

02:01:57.000 They just don't have the time to dedicate, to jump into it.

02:02:00.000 And then along the way, you get saddled up with debt and maybe a family that you have an obligation to feed, and then you're stuck and you're trapped.

02:02:07.000 That trap, that feeling of discontent with one's own daily existence, your day-by-day life, is more commonplace than not.

02:02:15.000 It's way more common.

02:02:17.000 It's essential, as we were saying, to keep you running on the wheel.

02:02:19.000 You've got to believe the Rolex is going to make you happy.

02:02:22.000 The car is going to...

02:02:23.000 Then the next thing is going to do it.

02:02:26.000 And that's a pernicious lie that we've heard so many times we come to believe it's an aspect of reality itself.

02:02:33.000 And it isn't!

02:02:35.000 And that's, you know, if you look at the hunter-gatherer data, what you see is these people who, I mean, you were talking about it earlier, how we need something to, like, a challenge to take us to the next level.

02:02:46.000 For them, the challenge is like, oh, we're going to go hunting.

02:02:49.000 You know?

02:02:50.000 And it'll feel great, and we'll eat.

02:02:52.000 And if we don't eat, then we'll eat tomorrow.

02:02:54.000 Well, that's why those subsistence shows, have you ever watched those A&E shows and Discovery Channel shows?

02:02:59.000 Those shows are extremely popular today.

02:03:01.000 Right.

02:03:01.000 Because people are sort of recognizing that, like, wow, these people seem happy, and all they have is, like, five dogs.

02:03:08.000 They live in Alaska, and they just take their sled out, and they chop down a fucking tree to build a house with. 0.95

02:03:13.000 Like, these people are, like, living on the air. 0.99

02:03:15.000 They're scooping salmon out of the river.

02:03:16.000 It's the immediacy.

02:03:17.000 Yeah.

02:03:17.000 That's the thing, the immediacy.

02:03:19.000 Just to play devil's advocate here, isn't this a different version of what you're talking about?

02:03:23.000 The modern human thinks, if I have this thing, a car, or whatever the thing is, a nicer job, a better whatever, I'll be happy.

02:03:31.000 What you're saying is, if I have an immediacy, if I'm more connected to nature, if I move to Alaska, if I become a hunter, I'll be happy.

02:03:39.000 But both of these things have within them the idea that I need some other thing to be happy.

02:03:47.000 Whereas the...

02:03:48.000 What I keep hearing and what I subscribe to is that to be happy, you have to be in the present moment, wherever you are, whatever situation you're in, whatever's going on, whether you're in an office, in a job you don't like, in a marriage you don't like, with a bunch of kids that you don't like.

02:04:05.000 Instead of fleeing from that by planning some fantasy of becoming a tattooist or a potter, the real way out Is to allow yourself to be fully in the experience of what's happening right now.

02:04:19.000 And that, that thing itself, just doing that, and maybe that is what happens when you're in nature is you're more in the present moment.

02:04:26.000 Yeah, but that makes way more sense when you're in nature.

02:04:28.000 Because if you're working in an insurance company and you're just going over clients' claims day in and day out, it's super hard to be in a joyful moment.

02:04:36.000 It's super hard to be there when you really want to get out of there and make music. 0.99

02:04:40.000 You have songs and ideas in your head, you want to put them to wax, but your fucking kids need... 0.99

02:04:45.000 Formula? 0.99

02:04:46.000 The thing is, the idea is, sure, for sure, but this is where you're at right now.

02:04:54.000 That's it.

02:04:54.000 That's where you are.

02:04:55.000 You're not in a situation where you're gonna start a band, and you're not in a situation where you're gonna become a potter right now.

02:05:01.000 Could be in the future, but the trick is that even though you're not in the fucking Anirondacks hunting, and you're not fishing, even though you're wherever you're at right now, Get into that place.

02:05:14.000 And it's not about happiness. 0.72

02:05:15.000 It's certainly not about joy or bliss or anything like that.

02:05:18.000 You're not feeling joy and bliss.

02:05:20.000 You're feeling a kind of claustrophobic horror at the concept that the situation you're in right now is going to continue forever.

02:05:28.000 And so your mind is fabricated an escape route, which is this thing or that thing, whatever it may be.

02:05:34.000 But the true situation is that until you train yourself to be in the present moment, It doesn't matter where you are.

02:05:44.000 You're dead.

02:05:45.000 You're not alive.

02:05:46.000 It doesn't matter.

02:05:47.000 You have to train yourself to get in the moment.

02:05:49.000 Then once you're in the moment, then start making the moves.

02:05:53.000 Okay, now you say in the moment.

02:05:55.000 How do you address that?

02:05:56.000 When you're thinking about you being in the moment, like your own personal experience, what do you do to try to achieve that sort of centered feeling?

02:06:05.000 Well, it's the practice of mindfulness.

02:06:08.000 So it's the idea of, you know, it's...

02:06:12.000 I will notice.

02:06:14.000 From time to time when I'm lucky, that I've been carried away by my thoughts. 0.99

02:06:18.000 Like that fucking thing you were saying about laying in bed, you can generate more stress chemicals. 0.99

02:06:22.000 I'll recognize like, holy shit, I've been in a vortex of thinking for the last two days. 1.00

02:06:29.000 I've been caught in this like endless recurring series of worries or scenarios or whatever it may be or things I need to do or things I just did. 0.84

02:06:40.000 And suddenly I realized I haven't been here at all.

02:06:44.000 At all.

02:06:45.000 I've just been caught up in what's called in your head.

02:06:47.000 You're caught up in the thought pattern.

02:06:48.000 So the practice is...

02:06:52.000 And this is something like, you know, Jack Kornfield talks about how the guy who taught in meditation, Ajahn Chah, was saying to him that...

02:07:04.000 One of his students was saying, I'm too busy to meditate.

02:07:08.000 I'm too busy to meditate.

02:07:09.000 I don't have time to do that.

02:07:10.000 And his response was, are you too busy to breathe?

02:07:13.000 Are you too busy to breathe?

02:07:14.000 You can breathe, right?

02:07:15.000 That's all you need to do.

02:07:17.000 All you need is your breath.

02:07:18.000 And no matter where you are, what you're doing, where you're at, you can put your attention away from the...

02:07:26.000 Incredible array of worries that you have.

02:07:28.000 Incredible array of fantasies that you have.

02:07:30.000 Incredible array of, if this had happened, I'd be happier.

02:07:33.000 Or if I could do this, I'll be a better person.

02:07:35.000 And just bring it to your breath.

02:07:38.000 In and out.

02:07:39.000 In through the nose, out through the nose. 1.00

02:07:41.000 And then, it's not going to stop these fucking thoughts. 1.00

02:07:44.000 But instead of you being controlled by them and caught up in them. 1.00

02:07:48.000 I mean, talk about looking at your fucking cell phone. 1.00

02:07:50.000 Get rid of cell phones. 1.00

02:07:52.000 People are still looking at cell phones.

02:07:53.000 It's just their various worries and things that they're constantly ruminating over.

02:07:57.000 It's another form of the cell phone.

02:07:59.000 You're fixating on these endless recurring worries.

02:08:02.000 So you bring it to the breath, the worries emerge, the happiness, whatever it is, is there, but It's not you.

02:08:11.000 You're not identifying with it anymore.

02:08:13.000 You're not identifying with the specific emotional state, the specific intellectual state, the specific thing anymore.

02:08:21.000 You're just observing and watching.

02:08:23.000 And that thing, that consciousness, the more you become that, the more you will find yourself experiencing what you were talking about.

02:08:31.000 These rare moments of peace. 0.99

02:08:33.000 These moments of like, whoa, holy shit. 0.97

02:08:36.000 Regardless of what's happening around me, I'm still I'm centered, untouched, unfreaked out, unanxious. 0.99

02:08:46.000 I'm just watching.

02:08:47.000 So that's the concept.

02:08:49.000 And it's a very hopeful concept because some people do not have access to the kind of zoo you're talking about.

02:08:56.000 Prisoners, for example.

02:08:58.000 People who are incarcerated right now, they don't get to get out of that system.

02:09:02.000 So they have to find a way in the midst of all of that negative phenomena to allow themselves to experience the same kind of peace or tranquility that you are experiencing with your friends in front of that campfire.

02:09:14.000 And that is why the concept of cultivation is so important in Buddhism, which is the idea that these experiences, which We're good to go.

02:09:40.000 It's a feeling of being, what did you call it, a situation of acceptance and love?

02:09:44.000 It's that feeling of being truly safe.

02:09:46.000 Not safe because of the government, but safe because you're surrounded by people who love you and you're loving them and you know that you could be taken care of.

02:09:54.000 The concept is that feeling can be cultivated.

02:09:57.000 And that cultivation starts with some form of the practice of mindfulness or whatever you want to call it.

02:10:04.000 I think what you're saying actually isn't in conflict at all with the other point.

02:10:10.000 Because the mindfulness being here in the moment, I think if you've got a shitty job in a cubicle and you're trying to distract yourself from it, you're listening to podcasts all day while you shuffle paperwork or whatever, right?

02:10:26.000 And you're not really being in the moment. 0.97

02:10:28.000 It is advantageous to be in the moment if it allows you to see that the moment is fucking killing you. 0.98

02:10:36.000 Yes, exactly. 0.95

02:10:37.000 And then you make a realistic, you're not going to be a hunter-gatherer, but you make a realistic plan to change your life.

02:10:43.000 Yeah, that's it, man.

02:10:44.000 It can be abused, right?

02:10:46.000 I mean, if you're in prison, that's a different deal.

02:10:48.000 You're going to be there for 10 years.

02:10:50.000 You're not going to, like, don't try to escape, is my advice.

02:10:52.000 But if it's just a dead-end job...

02:10:55.000 I mean, I got this great email a couple days ago from someone who...

02:10:58.000 I had these guys on who live in camper vans, several.

02:11:02.000 One guy...

02:11:04.000 One guy, funny guy, he worked in a tiger sanctuary in Thailand, teaching baby tigers not to eat people, essentially.

02:11:11.000 He was like the guinea pig who would go in and play with the baby tigers to teach them, like, don't eat people, people are cool.

02:11:19.000 Anyway, he flew to Chile, bought a VW camper van, and drove from Chile to Alaska in this camper van, and just picked up people along the way and, you know, had all these adventures.

02:11:28.000 Four years, I think he said.

02:11:30.000 Wow.

02:11:30.000 Four years of driving?

02:11:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:11:33.000 I mean, off and on, you know, it would break down.

02:11:35.000 I think he swapped out the engine five times or something, because VW vans are not known for reliability.

02:11:41.000 Anyway, so somebody who listened to this series of podcasts I did with people who live in their vans, some guy's like, yeah, I quit my job.

02:11:48.000 My wife and I bought a van.

02:11:49.000 We've been in it six months. 0.98

02:11:50.000 And it's fucking awesome! 0.97

02:11:52.000 You know? 0.96

02:11:52.000 It's like he completely changed his life. 0.96

02:11:54.000 And he's thrilled.

02:11:55.000 I love to hear a show like that.

02:11:56.000 Well, if you live in a shitty situation like that long enough with a job you hate and bills that don't make any sense and for stuff that you don't even want or enjoy anymore, then that idea of getting in that camper and just driving across the country seems amazing.

02:12:10.000 It seems like freedom.

02:12:11.000 And it's doable.

02:12:12.000 It's doable.

02:12:13.000 For a lot of people. 0.99

02:12:13.000 If you're willing to give up a lot of the bullshit, you know? 0.99

02:12:17.000 That's right. 0.99

02:12:18.000 Yeah, that's the thing, man.

02:12:19.000 My friend Steve Maxwell, he doesn't even have a camper.

02:12:22.000 He just lives in hotels.

02:12:24.000 He has a bag for all of his belongings.

02:12:26.000 He's a personal trainer.

02:12:28.000 He's like world-renowned.

02:12:29.000 He puts on these camps and seminars and stuff like that.

02:12:32.000 Him and his girlfriend, they travel all over the world, constant travel.

02:12:36.000 That's all they do.

02:12:36.000 They stay from hotel to hotel.

02:12:38.000 And he trains people.

02:12:39.000 Everywhere.

02:12:40.000 And he used to have a big gym, and he used to have a house, and then he went from the big gym in the house, he got divorced, he got a camper van, like you sleep in it.

02:12:49.000 Got sick of that. 1.00

02:12:50.000 Sold that fucking thing. 1.00

02:12:51.000 Said, you know what? 1.00

02:12:51.000 I'm just gonna get everything down to a 10 gallon bag. 1.00

02:12:54.000 He's got a 10 gallon bag with all his worldly possessions, and that's it.

02:12:58.000 Digital nomads.

02:12:59.000 You know about them?

02:13:01.000 It's a growing, thriving world of young people who have jobs where they do stuff on the internet, right?

02:13:07.000 They're either coding or editing or whatever.

02:13:09.000 Something you can do through the computer.

02:13:11.000 So if you're making money through the computer, why are you living in LA where you're paying two grand, three grand for, you know?

02:13:17.000 So they moved to places like Bangkok, Ecuador.

02:13:20.000 There's like hot spots around the world where there are thousands of these people living out of backpacks. 0.87

02:13:25.000 They live in guest houses and they work in cafes or wherever they get Wi-Fi and that's what they're doing.

02:13:31.000 And it's a funny thing because they're ahead of the laws, right?

02:13:34.000 So tax laws don't know what to do with these people. 0.99

02:13:37.000 Because you're not stable anywhere, and the laws are all set up where you pay tax where you are.

02:13:43.000 Well, I'm three months in Bangkok, then I'm off to Chile, then I'm off here.

02:13:47.000 Like, well, who do I pay tax to?

02:13:49.000 Well, then we'll take it to the next level.

02:13:50.000 What if you switch everything to digital currency?

02:13:53.000 You're finding more and more people are accepting Bitcoin and other forms of digital currency, so they start using that to pay for their rent, pay for their food, pay for their drinks, pay for their travel.

02:14:01.000 There's no record of anything.

02:14:02.000 No. 1.00

02:14:03.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:14:04.000 And then they live in Thailand sometimes. 1.00

02:14:06.000 Yeah.

02:14:06.000 Sometimes they don't.

02:14:09.000 Isn't that wild, man?

02:14:10.000 That's how it should be.

02:14:11.000 The idea of you being constrained to a patch of dirt and you have to have a piece of paper to show the other people and the other patch of dirt so I can cross over.

02:14:19.000 Can I enter into your kingdom?

02:14:21.000 Depends.

02:14:22.000 Did you at one point in time drive your carriage under the influence of wine?

02:14:27.000 Not me, sir, but I was in the car.

02:14:30.000 Close enough!

02:14:33.000 Denied entry into my kingdom of Canada!

02:14:36.000 If you're in a car with someone and they're drunk and you're sober and you get pulled over, you're gonna get a DUI. What?

02:14:41.000 Yes.

02:14:42.000 If that person's drunk and you're an adult and you're sober and that person's drunk driving, you can get a DUI too.

02:14:47.000 What? 0.99

02:14:48.000 No shit, I didn't know that. 1.00

02:14:49.000 Yeah, you can get in trouble for allowing someone to drive a car. 1.00

02:14:52.000 I don't know what exactly...

02:14:53.000 Find out what exactly the law is. 1.00

02:14:55.000 That is fucked. 1.00

02:14:55.000 Yeah, and how the fuck would you know? 1.00

02:14:57.000 It's extremely similar. 0.98

02:14:58.000 It's extremely similar.

02:14:59.000 If you are...

02:15:00.000 I believe in...

02:15:01.000 It might be a state-to-state basis, or I might have just made it up.

02:15:03.000 But I'm pretty sure it's true.

02:15:05.000 If you are drunk...

02:15:06.000 I hope you made it up.

02:15:07.000 I really hope you made it up.

02:15:08.000 If you are drunk and you have a passenger in your car, that passenger, I think, can get arrested as well.

02:15:14.000 Wow.

02:15:15.000 Even if they don't have a driver's license?

02:15:17.000 If they're an adult, I think they can get arrested as well.

02:15:19.000 If they don't have a driver's license at all, that's a good point.

02:15:22.000 That's interesting.

02:15:22.000 Because then it's like, well, officer, I took the wheel, but you're driving without a license.

02:15:26.000 Like, well...

02:15:27.000 But, you know, my point being, they won't let you in Canada if you have a DUI. They'll go, fuck off, get out of here. 1.00

02:15:34.000 They turn you around. 1.00

02:15:34.000 They want no douchebags. 1.00

02:15:35.000 They won't let you in Canada if you have a violent assault on your arrest record.

02:15:39.000 I almost got kicked out of...

02:15:40.000 I almost got not let into Canada.

02:15:43.000 For what?

02:15:44.000 For having stolen a Snickers bar in Alaska in 1982. Oh, my God.

02:15:49.000 Yeah.

02:15:49.000 I went to prison.

02:15:50.000 I think I told that story.

02:15:51.000 Yeah, you did.

02:15:52.000 That's hilarious.

02:15:53.000 But I was told, like, when I did four days, you know, and then I went before the magistrate and he said, if you don't get arrested again in a year, this will go off your record and all that.

02:16:03.000 So ever since when I've been asked if I've ever been convicted of a crime, I always said no, because I figured it's not on my record.

02:16:09.000 I don't want to confuse everybody and, you know, whatever.

02:16:12.000 But the first time we went into Canada at BC, you know, he asked all these questions and we went and sat down and he called me up, you know, like, no, just you, not my wife.

02:16:22.000 And he's like, is there anything you want to tell me about 1982?

02:16:26.000 Yeah.

02:16:27.000 I said, 1982?

02:16:28.000 I don't know.

02:16:28.000 I was in college.

02:16:29.000 I don't know.

02:16:30.000 He said, arrest and conviction.

02:16:34.000 Fairbanks, Alaska.

02:16:35.000 I'm like, are you kidding me? 0.97

02:16:37.000 And I told him I ate a Snickers bar in a fucking grocery store and it turned into this thing, but they told me it wasn't on my record. 0.92

02:16:43.000 And he said, well, Canada gets your FBI records. 1.00

02:16:50.000 So there's a federal level where that shit doesn't go away. 0.99

02:16:53.000 You know, it's even more deep because Eddie Bravo got arrested and never even went to jail. 0.99

02:16:58.000 And it shows up every time he goes into Canada.

02:17:00.000 He got arrested because he worked for a check cashing company.

02:17:03.000 And so he used to drive around with large sums of cash on them, and he got pulled over by the cops.

02:17:07.000 Cops pulled him over, and he said, Officer, I want to let you know that I have a loaded handgun in the car.

02:17:12.000 Here's my license to have it.

02:17:13.000 They go, please step out of the car.

02:17:14.000 They handcuff him.

02:17:15.000 They check everything, make sure it's all kosher.

02:17:17.000 Everything checks out.

02:17:18.000 They let him go.

02:17:19.000 But that incident is on his record.

02:17:23.000 So when he goes into Canada, they pull him aside every time.

02:17:25.000 I got stuck with him once. 0.95

02:17:27.000 Now I fucking, if we go to Canada together, I let that dude get ahead of me. 0.99

02:17:31.000 Like, dude, I'll fucking meet you outside. 0.99

02:17:33.000 Because he gets dragged into that room, and then they start asking you questions, too. 0.96

02:17:37.000 And I'm like, dude...

02:17:38.000 At least they're Canadian. 1.00

02:17:39.000 Yeah.

02:17:39.000 I mean, it's coming the other way.

02:17:41.000 Here's where it gets...

02:17:42.000 Here it is.

02:17:43.000 Um, you...

02:17:50.000 Wow.

02:17:52.000 Wow.

02:18:05.000 Yep.

02:18:06.000 You'll need to prove, the paragraph before that said you need to prove that you're not currently licensed to drive, don't know how to drive, or have a medical restriction that prevents you from driving.

02:18:18.000 Crazy.

02:18:19.000 Yeah, see?

02:18:19.000 So I'm kind of right.

02:18:20.000 So you're better off being shitfaced. 0.98

02:18:22.000 So if you're shitfaced and your friend's driving, then you're okay. 0.99

02:18:27.000 Mmm, yeah. 1.00

02:18:28.000 If you're shit-faced and your friend's driving, you're like, I wouldn't fucking drive. 1.00

02:18:31.000 I'm drunk, man. 1.00

02:18:32.000 I'm so drunk.

02:18:32.000 I didn't even know he was drunk.

02:18:33.000 So if you get pulled over and you're not drunk, hit that bottle before the cop comes up to the car.

02:18:39.000 Just splash whiskey all over your face and fall asleep.

02:18:41.000 That's hilarious.

02:18:41.000 If you're hammered, you're okay.

02:18:43.000 He should play sleeping.

02:18:45.000 Or just say, I took acid more than five times. 0.59

02:18:47.000 I'm legally insane.

02:18:49.000 I couldn't drive. 0.97

02:18:50.000 Dude, the real scary thing about what you're talking about as far as getting into other countries because of shit on your record, this is something that when I interviewed Aaron Frank at Singularity University, they try to think about what are the implications of these technologies. 0.94

02:19:04.000 So, you know the recent terrorist attack where they shot up the people, that couple shot up the people, and apparently, even though I think this got disproven... 0.95

02:19:13.000 San Bernardino?

02:19:14.000 San Bernardino, they were talking about how one of them was a professed jihadist on their Facebook page.

02:19:21.000 And they were saying, well, we don't check social, whatever they've posted on Facebook.

02:19:25.000 We don't do that. 0.99

02:19:26.000 And a lot of news stations are saying, a lot of people are saying, what the fuck? 1.00

02:19:31.000 That's crazy. 0.99

02:19:31.000 You should check that. 0.99

02:19:32.000 You should definitely check that. 0.96

02:19:35.000 At Singularity University, they were saying, what happens if the society changes so much that shit that you've posted online and admitted to doing becomes illegal? 0.51

02:19:48.000 What happens then when all of that stuff is infinitely accessible by all future governments? 0.72

02:19:54.000 What happens when, if like, who knows, you know, this is the scary thing to me.

02:19:58.000 Well, that happened, right, with McCarthy and the communist hunt.

02:20:02.000 Chicken shift.

02:20:03.000 And that's the terrifying thing, and I don't want to put negative energy out there.

02:20:07.000 I think we're all beings of love, and ultimately everything's going to be okay.

02:20:11.000 But...

02:20:13.000 But the one scary thing about when you look at like for-profit war, for-profit conflict, and you look at the fact that there is a benefit to some awful thing happening in the United States on a big scale,

02:20:29.000 there's a monetary benefit to a great many people, Living in the United States, weapons manufacturers, legislators, people who just get off on controlling other people, and you realize that it not only benefits them,

02:20:44.000 but there also is a huge incentive for people in other parts of the world to create that event, knowing that all it takes is one catastrophic event.

02:20:53.000 One catastrophic event.

02:20:54.000 We're like, what, one dirty bomb away?

02:20:59.000 It's the new September 11th away from experiencing one of the greatest Diminitions of personal liberty that has ever happened in this country, and there's a lot of people who would like that to happen,

02:21:14.000 and they're not just terrorists.

02:21:16.000 There's people who would like that to happen who run prisons.

02:21:19.000 There are people who would like that to happen who want World War III to happen because they sell weapons. 0.98

02:21:26.000 And that, to me, is fucking scary to think. 0.96

02:21:29.000 And if something like that did happen, and we enter into some new Orwellian Your awfulness and all your shit that you've posted, every single one of your podcasts show, you're going first, man. 0.99

02:21:43.000 I'm moving to Canada. 0.98

02:21:44.000 What?

02:21:44.000 I'm moving to Canada.

02:21:45.000 Oh, it doesn't matter.

02:21:46.000 You can't get into Canada. 1.00

02:21:47.000 You can't get into fucking Canada with the stuff you posted on your Facebook page. 1.00

02:21:50.000 They won't let me in? 1.00

02:21:51.000 Well, no.

02:21:52.000 I mean, we're talking about going by a boat.

02:21:52.000 Or they won't let you out.

02:21:53.000 What's that?

02:21:55.000 I'll stay.

02:21:55.000 I think you've got to get out now.

02:21:56.000 That's why I'm going next week.

02:21:57.000 Maybe Australia.

02:21:58.000 Nowhere safe.

02:21:59.000 Australia seems like a good move.

02:22:00.000 Australia's awesome.

02:22:01.000 Melbourne.

02:22:02.000 Yeah, Australia's nice.

02:22:03.000 Melbourne's amazing.

02:22:04.000 Although Sydney's pretty nice too.

02:22:05.000 No, Melbourne's got, they've got some seriously strict drug laws, man.

02:22:08.000 I was at the...

02:22:09.000 New South Wales.

02:22:10.000 I was in Australia at the...

02:22:12.000 No, actually, I was in New Zealand, not Australia.

02:22:17.000 Sorry.

02:22:18.000 I think Australia has strict drug laws too.

02:22:19.000 They do.

02:22:20.000 New South Wales does.

02:22:21.000 They'll bring sniffer dogs around, you know, like out in public just to try to find weed on people. 1.00

02:22:26.000 Well, you're fucked then. 0.99

02:22:27.000 You can't even wash the weed out of your hair. 1.00

02:22:29.000 Out of your beard.

02:22:30.000 Dogs are going to smell it.

02:22:34.000 Like they're baying a cat.

02:22:37.000 Like a cat's up a tree.

02:22:41.000 Well, again, I think we're there.

02:22:43.000 I mean, you keep phrasing things in terms of, like, what if we're on the verge of, and I keep thinking, dude, we've been there for a long time.

02:22:50.000 Yikes.

02:22:50.000 I mean, Eisenhower's, you know, his parting speech, the military-industrial complex, is...

02:22:55.000 You know, he was warning, we're in a situation after World War II where the army doesn't stand down.

02:23:00.000 All these industries that sprang up.

02:23:02.000 Los Angeles is a result of World War II, right?

02:23:06.000 Raytheon and Boeing, they're all on the West Coast because they were pumping out those airplanes and ships to go beat the Japs, and then they're looking for something to do. 1.00

02:23:14.000 Well, they've got to keep us on a war footing forever.

02:23:16.000 I just consulted my Harvard placemat, and you shouldn't say Japs.

02:23:21.000 Did you say Japs?

02:23:23.000 I thought I said Nips. 1.00

02:23:24.000 I'm sorry.

02:23:25.000 Oh my god, that's even worse.

02:23:28.000 Cultural appropriation.

02:23:30.000 You're culturally appropriating their word.

02:23:32.000 Sushi eating.

02:23:34.000 That always gets me that we make up names for countries.

02:23:37.000 We don't like the name they use.

02:23:38.000 What do you guys call yourself?

02:23:39.000 Nippon?

02:23:40.000 We don't like it.

02:23:41.000 We're going to change it.

02:23:42.000 Japan.

02:23:43.000 Japan, please.

02:23:44.000 We just decide.

02:23:47.000 There's a bunch of them like that, right?

02:23:48.000 There's quite a few countries.

02:23:50.000 Isn't Greece?

02:23:51.000 They don't call themselves Greece, right?

02:23:52.000 What do they call themselves?

02:23:53.000 It's Greek to me.

02:23:54.000 I don't know.

02:23:58.000 Turkey.

02:23:59.000 Do they call themselves turkey?

02:24:02.000 I don't know.

02:24:03.000 There's a few countries like that.

02:24:04.000 I don't remember where they are.

02:24:04.000 And does the word they use mean turkey?

02:24:07.000 I don't know.

02:24:08.000 You know?

02:24:08.000 I don't think so.

02:24:09.000 I don't know.

02:24:10.000 It's weird that it's the same as that bird. 0.98

02:24:14.000 If it wasn't for Thanksgiving, would anybody give a fuck about turkey? 0.98

02:24:18.000 No, I don't think so. 0.99

02:24:19.000 The country?

02:24:20.000 Nobody likes to eat turkey.

02:24:23.000 I mean, it's good, but it's not the best.

02:24:25.000 A chicken is better than turkey.

02:24:26.000 Can we agree?

02:24:27.000 Yeah, there's no Kentucky Fried Turkey.

02:24:32.000 Yeah, there's no turkey stores.

02:24:33.000 There's chicken stores everywhere.

02:24:35.000 There's Popeye's chicken, there's Kentucky Fried Chicken, there's probably Church's chicken. 0.79

02:24:41.000 I wonder if Edward Bernays...

02:24:41.000 You know Edward Bernays?

02:24:42.000 There's no Turk filet.

02:24:43.000 You know Bacon for Breakfast is completely an invention of this advertising guy?

02:24:48.000 No way.

02:24:49.000 Yeah, he was hired by the company, I forget the name of the company, but they're still around in some form, that hired him to sell more pork.

02:24:57.000 And so he came up with this idea, like, bacon and eggs, what's for breakfast?

02:25:00.000 You've got to, like, integrate it into the cultural tradition.

02:25:03.000 Breakfast meat.

02:25:03.000 And ever since then, it's been considered breakfast meat, and boom.

02:25:07.000 Meanwhile, it's awesome.

02:25:08.000 So congratulations, sir.

02:25:10.000 He was also behind the fluoridation of...

02:25:13.000 The water supply hired by Alcoa because they had all this byproduct of making aluminum, which is this fluoride.

02:25:22.000 And they wanted to, like, what are we going to do with all this stuff?

02:25:24.000 You know, we've got to find a way to sell it.

02:25:25.000 Who can we sell it to?

02:25:26.000 And he figured out, like, oh, we can, you know, it's good for dental.

02:25:29.000 It'll save everyone and get the government to buy it.

02:25:32.000 That's so funny we accept that, man.

02:25:33.000 Because, like, if someone comes over to your house and you're like, do you want some water?

02:25:38.000 And they're like, yeah.

02:25:38.000 And you're like, do you want me to add some fluoride to it?

02:25:43.000 Yeah, it is a chemical that kills you, so yeah.

02:25:45.000 Yeah, go ahead.

02:25:46.000 Could you put a little fluoride in here?

02:25:48.000 Fluoride can kill you.

02:25:49.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:25:50.000 It doesn't take a whole lot.

02:25:51.000 Yeah.

02:25:51.000 Like how much kills you?

02:25:52.000 Like a couple teaspoons full?

02:25:53.000 I don't know.

02:25:54.000 I have no idea. 0.82

02:25:55.000 But you die with white teeth.

02:25:57.000 But is that real?

02:25:58.000 What's going on with dental hygiene versus, I mean, is it Florida in the water that makes a difference or being conscious of dental hygiene that's made the difference in tooth decay in people?

02:26:09.000 Well, I mean, talking to me, I'm always going to take it back to foragers.

02:26:14.000 Foragers have amazing teeth. 1.00

02:26:16.000 They're all ground out of meat and roots and shit, though. 0.99

02:26:18.000 Well, some, if there's sand in the diet. 1.00

02:26:22.000 Weston Smith.

02:26:23.000 What is this?

02:26:24.000 What are you putting this up?

02:26:24.000 Oh, this is Bernays.

02:26:26.000 Yeah.

02:26:26.000 It said that the bacon for breakfast, and he is also responsible for fluoride in the water.

02:26:32.000 And Dixie cups.

02:26:32.000 That's what he just said, right?

02:26:33.000 Yeah.

02:26:33.000 For Dixie cups.

02:26:34.000 Wow. 1.00

02:26:34.000 See, Jamie is just, like, showing that I'm not full of shit. 1.00

02:26:38.000 I love it, Jamie. 0.98

02:26:39.000 Thank you.

02:26:43.000 What?

02:26:43.000 Look at this.

02:26:44.000 His campaign for Dixie Cups scared people into thinking the glasses they were drinking out of were unsanitary and could be replaced by disposable cups.

02:26:51.000 Wow.

02:26:53.000 Did you read this before you put it up?

02:26:54.000 That's insane.

02:26:55.000 Oh yeah, and it was the Beech Nut Packing Company that hired him for the pork. 1.00

02:26:58.000 Oh my god, what a cunt this guy was. 1.00

02:27:00.000 It's amazing. 1.00

02:27:01.000 But the bacon, he got right.

02:27:03.000 Oh, he got everything right, man.

02:27:05.000 He's dead on with the bacon.

02:27:06.000 Bacon's awesome.

02:27:07.000 He also was behind the Virginia Slims thing.

02:27:09.000 Like, how can we use feminism to get women to buy cigarettes? 1.00

02:27:13.000 It's a feminist cigarette. 1.00

02:27:15.000 You've come a long way, baby. 0.99

02:27:16.000 I bet that guy got laid like crazy. 1.00

02:27:18.000 I bet he was just a fucking maestro. 1.00

02:27:20.000 And he was Freud's nephew. 1.00

02:27:21.000 Oh my goodness.

02:27:22.000 So he had the benefit of psychological examination under his uncle.

02:27:25.000 And he's proud of himself.

02:27:26.000 Like, he doesn't seem slightly ashamed of any of it.

02:27:29.000 He just died like 10 years ago. 1.00

02:27:31.000 Shit. 1.00

02:27:31.000 No, but there's interviews with him where he's like, yeah, he did all this shit. 1.00

02:27:34.000 Well, he's really happy. 0.99

02:27:35.000 His success ratio was amazing, right?

02:27:37.000 Oh, he hit everyone out of the park over and over. 1.00

02:27:40.000 If that's what you're trying to do and no one tells you it's evil, You know what's really fucked up is those goddamn drug commercials. 0.99

02:27:47.000 Those drug commercials where people are happy and they're walking hand in hand in meadows and then they start talking about explosive bloody diarrhea. 0.99

02:27:54.000 But they always do it in that voice that I think we're being trained to ignore.

02:27:59.000 There's that voice at the end of the thing.

02:28:01.000 Side effects may include whatever.

02:28:03.000 Just ignore what I'm saying and watch the pretty picture.

02:28:06.000 Watch the pretty picture. 1.00

02:28:06.000 Ask your doctor about this bullshit. 1.00

02:28:09.000 They should have to show you those side effects while they're doing it. 1.00

02:28:12.000 Oh, this is hilarious.

02:28:14.000 I don't know if you've seen this.

02:28:15.000 I tweeted this the other day. 1.00

02:28:17.000 Australia came up with this thing called the stoner sloth, and it's so stupid that it's backfiring and causing people to smoke pot. 0.99

02:28:25.000 Also, stoner sloth, if you go to stonersloth.com, it's an actual weed website. 0.99

02:28:31.000 What's funny about it is that it actually brought all this business to...

02:28:36.000 Because if you go to stonersloth.com.au...

02:28:39.000 I don't know the exact...

02:28:42.000 Yeah, there it is.

02:28:46.000 Stonersloth.

02:28:46.000 Yeah, if you go to stonersloth...

02:28:49.000 Whatever their website is,.au...

02:28:51.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:28:54.000 And they only sell Indica.

02:28:57.000 Indica.

02:28:59.000 Yeah, there it is. 1.00

02:29:00.000 You're worse on weeds, stoner sloth. 0.99

02:29:02.000 So that's AU. Now take the AU off. 0.99

02:29:04.000 I haven't tried it.

02:29:05.000 I might embarrass myself here.

02:29:06.000 But in an article I read, they said it goes to a weed website.

02:29:10.000 Oh, I guess not.

02:29:11.000 Maybe somebody bought it.

02:29:12.000 Yeah.

02:29:12.000 Who knows?

02:29:13.000 The government shut it down.

02:29:14.000 The stoner sloth social network?

02:29:15.000 They have a stoner sloth social network?

02:29:18.000 What, do they think it's going to turn to the next Facebook?

02:29:19.000 Oh, that's social.

02:29:19.000 I don't know.

02:29:20.000 They think it's going to turn to the next Facebook?

02:29:22.000 But yeah, this is like a big embarrassment. 1.00

02:29:24.000 Let's play it because it's fucking so stupid. 1.00

02:29:27.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

02:29:27.000 It's awesome. 1.00

02:29:28.000 I haven't seen it. 0.99

02:29:30.000 It's so dumb. 1.00

02:29:31.000 But it's like that fucking thing. 1.00

02:29:33.000 Here's the thing about the talking dog commercial that we all enjoyed back in the day. 1.00

02:29:37.000 Yeah.

02:29:38.000 Those were made by a partnership for a drug-free America. 0.93

02:29:40.000 And the fucked up part about a partnership for a drug-free America is they're funded by alcohol and tobacco companies and pharmaceutical companies. 0.98

02:29:47.000 And my joke was, that's like hookers doing commercials against strippers. 1.00

02:29:50.000 Right. 0.92

02:29:51.000 And it really is.

02:29:52.000 Like, them doing commercials against pot.

02:29:54.000 It's insane.

02:29:55.000 Like, they're not against drugs.

02:29:57.000 Just our drugs.

02:29:58.000 Against the drugs that they don't sell.

02:30:00.000 Yeah.

02:30:00.000 Pins down.

02:30:02.000 Delilah.

02:30:03.000 Pins down, Delilah. 1.00

02:30:06.000 It's a sloth that's in class. 1.00

02:30:10.000 You're worse on weed, Stoner Sloth. 0.99

02:30:14.000 But little did the creators know...

02:30:16.000 Oh, I see.

02:30:18.000 That's StonerSloth.com.

02:30:20.000 There it is.

02:30:21.000 Wow, somebody put it down.

02:30:22.000 It's also the name of an online cannabis product retailer.

02:30:25.000 It's not up anymore, though.

02:30:27.000 That's what's weird.

02:30:28.000 I wonder if their website got crushed.

02:30:31.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:30:34.000 StonerSloth.com.

02:30:36.000 Yeah.

02:30:36.000 Well, this is something that Australia's doing because they're kind of behind the times when it comes to marijuana propaganda.

02:30:43.000 They're still buying into some shit that we thought of 15, 20 years ago. 1.00

02:30:48.000 New South Wales government adds, this is just so stupid. 1.00

02:30:53.000 Australia would be perfect if it had weed, but that's the thing about the world. 1.00

02:30:57.000 There's no perfect place, you know? 1.00

02:30:59.000 You go to the most amazing jungle island habitat and, you know, well, you're gonna hang out with these fucking people. 0.99

02:31:07.000 Right. 0.99

02:31:08.000 You know?

02:31:10.000 Australia, though.

02:31:11.000 Other than that, other than their stance on weed, Melbourne's one of my favorite places I've ever been.

02:31:16.000 Yeah.

02:31:16.000 Reminds me a lot of San Francisco.

02:31:18.000 Yeah.

02:31:19.000 The sort of cafe vibe and progressive, interesting people.

02:31:23.000 Very smart.

02:31:23.000 Very smart people.

02:31:24.000 You guys should do the...

02:31:25.000 I went down there to do this thing called the Festival of Dangerous Ideas.

02:31:29.000 Hmm.

02:31:30.000 You guys would both fit right into the vibe.

02:31:33.000 It's really cool.

02:31:34.000 It's like TED. I think we might have talked about it.

02:31:36.000 It's like TED, but without the sort of brand protection paranoia.

02:31:41.000 Yeah, that's a great way to put it, too.

02:31:43.000 Brand protection.

02:31:44.000 They're just like, you know, just say something crazy and provocative, and we just want people to walk out of here talking about whatever you say.

02:31:52.000 That's great. 1.00

02:31:52.000 Bring that shit to LA and we're in. 1.00

02:31:54.000 Because we're not getting on a fucking plane flying across the ocean to sound provocative in your country where you get arrested for weed still. 1.00

02:32:01.000 But they do it in the Sydney Opera House. 0.99

02:32:03.000 That's pretty cool.

02:32:04.000 Oh, okay.

02:32:04.000 I played there.

02:32:05.000 That's an awesome spot.

02:32:07.000 Sydney's awesome too.

02:32:08.000 I like Sydney as well.

02:32:09.000 I like both.

02:32:10.000 I like Sydney. 0.95

02:32:11.000 Melbourne was interesting because the food was fucking sensational. 0.97

02:32:15.000 Oh, yeah. 0.95

02:32:16.000 A lot of the Asian market food.

02:32:18.000 Yeah.

02:32:20.000 Did you go up to the Barrier Reef and do all that business?

02:32:23.000 I didn't either.

02:32:24.000 I was only up there for a few days for the fights and I had a couple shows.

02:32:27.000 Oh, you were there just recently for the Rousey thing.

02:32:30.000 It's amazing how wrecked your brain gets when you come back. 0.63

02:32:34.000 Just wrecked. 0.94

02:32:35.000 For days, I would work out and I'd just be like where I'd normally be able to do like 10 reps of something I'd get to like six and be like fuck I got three more seven fuck two more I just couldn't do it I almost couldn't do the same physical things that I used to do I mean I could get to it but if I was gonna do 10 reps I'd probably get to like nine or eight but getting to it would be way harder I was amazed. 0.96

02:33:03.000 I couldn't believe it, man. 0.98

02:33:04.000 And everyone's like, you're going to be fucked up for about a week from that. 0.99

02:33:07.000 It's true. 0.99

02:33:08.000 It really does wreck you.

02:33:09.000 It does something weird to you.

02:33:11.000 You feel like your battery is broken.

02:33:14.000 Well, this guy, Dan, who does all the sleep research, this is his area. 0.96

02:33:18.000 He's looking into why that fucks you up so bad.

02:33:21.000 Can you change melatonin using different medications and different techniques?

02:33:27.000 He works with seals and stuff.

02:33:29.000 He's a hardcore guy.

02:33:31.000 And apparently there are all these techniques that you can do, changing your sleep cycle before you go, and time so you wake up at a different time and all that.

02:33:39.000 It just seems like too much trouble to me.

02:33:41.000 You know what they say, too?

02:33:42.000 This is very bizarre.

02:33:43.000 It's way harder to go from Australia to the United States than it is to go from the United States to Australia.

02:33:48.000 Right.

02:33:48.000 Like, apparently that doesn't fuck up your circadian rhythms as much.

02:33:51.000 Yeah, going east is harder.

02:33:53.000 We're just so weird because we want to think of ourselves as being like very simple, very simple, very autonomous little beings that I just need my food, my vitamins, and I'm normal.

02:34:03.000 No, you're like tied into the cycles of the earth itself, the light and dark, the literal rising and setting of the sun has a direct effect on the rhythm of your body.

02:34:15.000 Your biological operating system falters when you throw that and it has to readjust and set things back.

02:34:24.000 And think about women who are menstruating with the phases of the moon every month. 0.99

02:34:27.000 I mean, that's really intense.

02:34:29.000 My favorite one is when a bunch of chicks live together and they start... 1.00

02:34:33.000 Smell each other's pussies, and their bodies don't even realize it, but they get these coinciding menstrual cycles. 0.99

02:34:39.000 How strange is that? 0.99

02:34:41.000 And if that's happening, what other stuff is happening that we don't know about?

02:34:44.000 How much are humans harmonizing with each other in other ways that we aren't even aware of?

02:34:49.000 Well, my favorite example of that is this guy Bruce Vedekind in Switzerland who did research that's become known as the Sweaty T-Shirt Study.

02:34:58.000 I don't know if I've talked about this on the podcast before.

02:35:00.000 So he wanted to understand why women's sense of smell is so much stronger than men's.

02:35:06.000 Women can smell about seven times more than men. 1.00

02:35:09.000 Really? 0.85

02:35:09.000 Yeah, which is... 0.85

02:35:10.000 Seven times?

02:35:10.000 If you come home with, you know, smelling funny, you're not going to get away with it.

02:35:14.000 Wow, that sucks for them, man. 1.00

02:35:17.000 Well, you mean coming home smelling funny like smelling like pussy on you. 1.00

02:35:20.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

02:35:21.000 Yeah.

02:35:21.000 Yeah, don't think you're going to get away with that.

02:35:23.000 So anyway, so he wanted to understand why is this, and his hypothesis was that women are picking up information about men's immune system from their pheromones, from the way they smell.

02:35:33.000 Because you'll hear women often will say, like, he's a cool guy, he's got a good job, he's funny, whatever.

02:35:39.000 But the smell's not right.

02:35:40.000 It's a deal breaker.

02:35:41.000 The smell.

02:35:42.000 They'll say the smell.

02:35:43.000 The smell.

02:35:43.000 And it's not that he smells bad.

02:35:44.000 It's just the smell's not right.

02:35:46.000 That'll be a deal breaker for a lot of women. 1.00

02:35:48.000 You never hear a dude say that, right?

02:35:49.000 Yeah, but people do smell better.

02:35:52.000 Some people just smell good.

02:35:54.000 They just smell them.

02:35:54.000 They just want to squeeze them.

02:35:56.000 They smell good.

02:35:57.000 You know, and I'm not talking about like perfumes or anything.

02:36:00.000 Yeah, just body feels right.

02:36:00.000 Which I kind of find a little bit offensive.

02:36:02.000 I've always felt like perfume's a little offensive.

02:36:04.000 Like, I want to know what's going on here.

02:36:06.000 Why are you tricking me?

02:36:06.000 Because it's masking.

02:36:08.000 Yeah, you're tricking me with your fucking smoke bomb thrown down. 1.00

02:36:11.000 I can't... 1.00

02:36:12.000 I'm trying to find out where's the real you in there.

02:36:15.000 Right. 1.00

02:36:15.000 Like, no one's ever smelled a woman, like a healthy woman, and go, man, I wish you'd fucking spray some roses on this bitch. 1.00

02:36:21.000 Right. 1.00

02:36:22.000 You know?

02:36:24.000 Well, France in the old days. 0.53

02:36:26.000 Well, that's a different thing, right?

02:36:27.000 You're dealing with personal hygiene issues.

02:36:29.000 But today, when you're dealing with people that take regular showers, bathe, they don't stink.

02:36:35.000 Sorry, just to finish this story, check this out.

02:36:37.000 Because this is important knowledge for people to have.

02:36:39.000 So he got a bunch of guys who were deficient in one part of their immune response.

02:36:46.000 And then a bunch of women who were also deficient in one part. 1.00

02:36:49.000 The immune response, it's called immune histocompatibility index.

02:36:54.000 And let's say it has five elements.

02:36:56.000 So they would find a bunch of guys who were low in one or two or number three or number four, whatever, and women who had the same different deficiencies.

02:37:04.000 My hypothesis was that a woman who's low in factor three won't be attracted to men who are low in factor three.

02:37:11.000 They'll be attracted to men who are high in factor three because then the babies will be healthy, right?

02:37:16.000 Right.

02:37:16.000 So he gets these guys to wear t-shirts for three days and nights with no deodorant, no showers, no soap, nothing, then puts the t-shirts in plastic bags.

02:37:25.000 Then he has the women smell the bags and mark on a piece of paper how attractive they thought the men were, based only on the smell of the t-shirts, right? 0.84

02:37:34.000 And he found that with 80% of the women, they chose as he predicted, that they chose the men high in the thing that they were low in, and they avoided the men who were low in the thing that they were low in.

02:37:44.000 But in about 20%, they seem to be choosing randomly.

02:37:48.000 So he went back and looked at the women again and found that those 20% were on birth control pills.

02:37:54.000 So the birth control pill short circuits that response.

02:37:59.000 So think of how many couples have gotten together when she's on the pill and they both like Louis CK. Joe's looking into the distance.

02:38:09.000 Was she on the pill when I met her?

02:38:11.000 I talked about this at an interview in San Francisco on the PBS station down there, and as I'm talking, the guy's going, making the gesture like, that happened to me, but be quiet, don't say it.

02:38:21.000 And after the interview, he's like, dude, that's exactly, my wife went off the pill and she was done with me.

02:38:27.000 She didn't want me sleeping in the same bed.

02:38:29.000 She didn't want me in the same house.

02:38:31.000 Spooky.

02:38:32.000 A lot of marriages are falling apart because they got together when the woman couldn't smell his compatibility. 0.67

02:38:39.000 And it's not his fault. 1.00

02:38:40.000 Holy shit! 1.00

02:38:41.000 Yeah, isn't that heavy? 1.00

02:38:42.000 That's a mind blower.

02:38:44.000 And it's one of these things, like Duncan was saying, where we ignore these natural reflexes to our detriment.

02:38:51.000 You know, we pretend we're not animals. 1.00

02:38:53.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:38:53.000 Of course we're animals. 1.00

02:38:55.000 The coinciding menstrual cycles alone, obviously, there's some crazy shit going on, but that is another level of crazy shit. 0.99

02:39:02.000 I didn't even think about all the factors that would lead to you being out of whack if your body's constantly thinking it's pregnant. 0.99

02:39:09.000 That's what the pill does.

02:39:12.000 It tricks your body into thinking, don't get pregnant, you're already pregnant. 0.86

02:39:15.000 And that's why a lot of women have much less libido when they're on the pill. 1.00

02:39:19.000 Oh, yeah.

02:39:19.000 You're already pregnant.

02:39:20.000 Some girls, it's really bad. 1.00

02:39:21.000 I dated a girl, and off the pill, she was so fucking horny. 1.00

02:39:25.000 But then she got on the pill, and it was like, it just stopped. 0.99

02:39:28.000 And then she got off the pill again.

02:39:30.000 She's like, we've got to figure out something else, because I don't even like sex.

02:39:32.000 When I'm on the pill, she's like, I'm totally disinterested.

02:39:35.000 Wow. 0.67

02:39:35.000 But off the pill, she was crazy horny. 0.67

02:39:37.000 It was like a switch went off.

02:39:39.000 It took like two days.

02:39:41.000 She started taking the pills, and then it just...

02:39:43.000 It just shut down.

02:39:44.000 She would be dry. 0.99

02:39:46.000 And then off the pill, she's a freak. 0.99

02:39:48.000 It's nuts.

02:39:49.000 That concept, though, that there's this data field, like a chemical data field surrounding everybody.

02:39:57.000 Makes sense.

02:39:57.000 That you can tune into and understand...

02:40:01.000 Aspects of like deep aspects to know of a person's like some specific Deficiency in their immune system just from your nose That's crazy and that kind of stuff lends credence to the idea of telepathy or clairvoyance or people who can read other people really well like maybe they're just somehow Better at like detecting whatever chemical field is around the person and can decode it in a certain way What are we doing with people?

02:40:27.000 We have a whole culture of women that are taking pills that trick their body into not being able to recognize the clues of incompatibility. 1.00

02:40:35.000 Yeah, think about how many kids are born with health deficiencies because of this, because people low in, you know, number three and get together and these kids have...

02:40:46.000 Wow.

02:40:46.000 Yeah, there's all sorts of, you know, we were talking earlier about smearing vaginal fluid on a newborn baby who's born through C-section.

02:40:53.000 Again, we're pretending we're not animals.

02:40:56.000 We're pretending there's not, you know, huge benefit in being contaminated with life, you know? 1.00

02:41:03.000 That we're these sterile creatures that exist separate from our shit and our piss and our... 0.93

02:41:08.000 Well, it's one of the things you realize from grappling and jujitsu when you start getting really into it, that you have to keep a healthy biome. 0.98

02:41:15.000 You have to keep healthy skin flora.

02:41:17.000 It's critical.

02:41:18.000 One of the first things they tell you when you start training is you should start taking supplements like acidophilus, something probiotic, because you want to keep your skin flora healthy.

02:41:27.000 And you want to not use antibiotic soap.

02:41:30.000 A lot of times when people get infections, one of the problems is they've created a barren wasteland on the surface So infections take hold and then you treat those infections with more antibiotics and you kill off all the natural healthy, like acidophilus in particular is supposed to be aggressive towards certain types of infections.

02:41:50.000 So that like if you keep a healthy skin flora, you're less likely to get things like ringworm or things along those lines.

02:41:58.000 Well, this is also what they're talking about.

02:42:00.000 There's a new kind of antibiotic resistant.

02:42:03.000 Yeah.

02:42:03.000 What is that?

02:42:04.000 Can you explain that?

02:42:05.000 Because I keep reading about it.

02:42:06.000 It sounds terrifying.

02:42:07.000 Well, the pathogens are constantly mutating in response to whatever antibiotics have been developed.

02:42:14.000 And we've come to the end of this particular line of antibiotics.

02:42:17.000 So there are no more variations on this molecule.

02:42:21.000 They keep tweaking it, tweaking it.

02:42:23.000 And they've tweaked it every which way possible.

02:42:26.000 And this pathogen has mutated once again, as we knew it would.

02:42:30.000 And there's nothing.

02:42:31.000 There's no response.

02:42:33.000 So if you get this infection, you're dead. 1.00

02:42:36.000 You're fucked. 1.00

02:42:36.000 It puts us back to the, what, 14? 1.00

02:42:38.000 It puts us way back.

02:42:39.000 It puts us back to where...

02:42:41.000 To the plague or whatever. 0.95

02:42:42.000 You gotta get your arm amputated.

02:42:44.000 We had Rhonda Patrick.

02:42:46.000 Have you ever listened to her?

02:42:47.000 Dr. Rhonda Patrick?

02:42:48.000 Yeah, I think I have.

02:42:49.000 She had a pretty significant MRSA infection, a staph infection that just wouldn't go away.

02:42:54.000 And you know how she fixed it?

02:42:56.000 With topical use of ground garlic and grapeseed extract.

02:43:00.000 The ground garlic apparently has this radical effect on MRSA. And another thing that supposedly helps too is cannabis oil.

02:43:09.000 Cannabis oil is supposed to be really good at fighting off staph infections.

02:43:14.000 You know what else is good?

02:43:15.000 I mean, I don't know about staph, but... 1.00

02:43:16.000 Pussy. 1.00

02:43:16.000 Pussy juice. 1.00

02:43:17.000 Seawater. 1.00

02:43:18.000 Seawater?

02:43:19.000 Seawater's good.

02:43:20.000 My wife irrigated wounds with seawater a lot in Mozambique.

02:43:25.000 And pissing on your feet keeps the athlete's foot away.

02:43:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:43:28.000 Isn't that weird?

02:43:29.000 Yeah, we were taught that in wrestling.

02:43:31.000 In wrestling, if you've got athlete's foot, you piss on your feet.

02:43:34.000 Yeah, or just piss on your feet every morning, especially that first piss is really because it's fully uric acid accumulated overnight.

02:43:40.000 Just piss on your feet every morning in the shower and you just don't get athlete's foot.

02:43:44.000 Well, that's why people drink their piss.

02:43:45.000 They would drink their first piss of the morning because it supposedly has all our vitamins and nutrients in it.

02:43:51.000 It's very bizarre practice.

02:43:52.000 Yeah, I don't know about that one.

02:43:54.000 That's the right response.

02:43:57.000 I've done it.

02:43:58.000 I've drank my piss a few times to experiment.

02:44:00.000 Did it help?

02:44:00.000 I don't know.

02:44:01.000 Probably not.

02:44:02.000 I'm probably better off with a multivitamin. 0.62

02:44:05.000 It seems to me, if you were meant to drink your piss, then you wouldn't piss.

02:44:09.000 Your body would just send it right back in. 0.64

02:44:12.000 Right. 0.99

02:44:13.000 Yeah, but why are your balls on the outside? 0.99

02:44:16.000 Some people can kick them. 0.99

02:44:17.000 No, it's to keep them cool.

02:44:18.000 I know.

02:44:18.000 Oh, okay.

02:44:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:44:19.000 Like, there's some flaws in the system.

02:44:21.000 That's the wrong metaphor for me, man.

02:44:22.000 I don't think this is a flaw.

02:44:25.000 Well, it is if, you know, otherwise you would go, you would dehydrate.

02:44:30.000 I mean, if you never dehydrate, if your body would never express water in that way, like you take water in, you keep a healthy level, and it's like oil in your car.

02:44:39.000 Like, you know, your level's there.

02:44:40.000 You're good.

02:44:41.000 But no, we're like constantly getting rid of it.

02:44:43.000 But I guess it actually cycles through your body and it takes impurities out.

02:44:47.000 Exactly.

02:44:47.000 There's a lot of other things going on when you drink a lot of water.

02:44:50.000 That's why one of the things that happens to people when they're dehydrated, they get kidney stones, you get crystallized things in your body, and you have to piss those out of your dick hole. 0.99

02:45:00.000 I had a kidney stone. 1.00

02:45:02.000 Were you dehydrated?

02:45:04.000 I don't think so.

02:45:05.000 Does beer count?

02:45:07.000 Well, it's diuretic.

02:45:08.000 Yeah.

02:45:08.000 No, I don't know.

02:45:10.000 Right?

02:45:10.000 Alcohol's diuretic, right?

02:45:11.000 Yeah.

02:45:12.000 Yeah, but they say it dehydrates you, alcohol, ultimately.

02:45:15.000 Yeah.

02:45:16.000 But here's an interesting piss fact.

02:45:18.000 Did you know that all animals piss the same amount of time?

02:45:21.000 All of them?

02:45:22.000 It's this bizarre fractal thing.

02:45:24.000 Yeah, Jimmy can confirm whether...

02:45:26.000 Jamie, his name's Jamie.

02:45:26.000 Sorry, Jamie, Jamie, Jimmy.

02:45:28.000 Call him young Jamie.

02:45:29.000 Young Jamie.

02:45:30.000 Yeah, apparently it's like the size of the bladder and the volume of the urethra is...

02:45:38.000 It's like a fractal thing where it could be a mouse or an elephant.

02:45:42.000 So a full piss takes the same amount of time for an elephant as it does for a mouse.

02:45:46.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:45:48.000 Well, you ever seen an elephant piss?

02:45:50.000 It's like, Jesus Christ.

02:45:51.000 I've never seen it.

02:45:51.000 It's a waterfall.

02:45:52.000 It's insane.

02:45:53.000 You ain't drinking that.

02:45:53.000 It's insane.

02:45:55.000 Most mammals take 21 seconds to eat.

02:45:57.000 So it's the same with humans?

02:45:59.000 Not if you're drinking beer.

02:46:01.000 Well, but it's the size of your bladder, right?

02:46:04.000 So it doesn't matter what's in it.

02:46:06.000 Yeah, but if you fully hold your piss in for like a long time, and you finally get to a bathroom, and you're like, uh, I've definitely pissed longer than 20 seconds.

02:46:14.000 That was really nice of them to include an image of a beagle pissing in case you wondered what it looked like. 0.96

02:46:20.000 It's probably the least offensive penis that they could find. 0.99

02:46:25.000 Like one that doesn't represent the patriarchy. 0.99

02:46:27.000 A beagle. 0.99

02:46:28.000 He couldn't get like a pit bull dick. 0.98

02:46:30.000 And they got racehorse in there. 0.98

02:46:31.000 Did you see that?

02:46:33.000 We'll pee for about as long as a rhino a racehorse because people say, I'm pissed like a rhino. 0.85

02:46:38.000 I gotta piss like a racehorse.

02:46:39.000 But I think they're just talking volume.

02:46:41.000 You ever seen a racehorse piss?

02:46:42.000 Good lord.

02:46:43.000 Yeah.

02:46:43.000 The volume is just stunning.

02:46:45.000 And it comes fast.

02:46:45.000 Oh, yeah.

02:46:46.000 It's stunning.

02:46:47.000 High pressure.

02:46:48.000 Yeah, it's like, wow!

02:46:50.000 So, I'll tell you what, this kidney stone made me think there is a god and he loves me, or she, because it was a horrible thing.

02:46:58.000 You guys haven't had a kidney stone, right?

02:46:59.000 Yeah.

02:47:00.000 It's just like...

02:47:01.000 So, I wake up...

02:47:02.000 I think I told this story on a live podcast I did with you in San Francisco.

02:47:07.000 I don't remember.

02:47:07.000 A long time ago, yeah.

02:47:08.000 I remember thinking, why am I telling this story?

02:47:12.000 So I woke up excruciating abdominal pain. 0.97

02:47:16.000 Casilda, my wife, who's a doctor, thought I had a gas-like bubble in my intestine, so she had me upside down on the sofa with a funnel stuck in my ass, and she was pouring off. 1.00

02:47:26.000 Hollow! 0.99

02:47:27.000 I like how we party at Chris Ryan's house. 1.00

02:47:30.000 She's pouring extra virgin olive oil up my ass. 1.00

02:47:33.000 And I remember lying there upside down. 1.00

02:47:35.000 That's someone who cares about you.

02:47:36.000 I remember thinking, like, honeymoon's over, we're into marriage now.

02:47:39.000 This is marriage.

02:47:42.000 Because she's a doctor.

02:47:44.000 She's completely, like, the body's the body. 1.00

02:47:46.000 She doesn't give a shit. 1.00

02:47:46.000 She's clinical. 1.00

02:47:47.000 But anyway, it turns out it was a kidney stone.

02:47:49.000 Long story, it had already gone into the tube between my kidney and my bladder.

02:47:55.000 And so that's what the pain is, that it's sort of scraping its way down the tube.

02:47:59.000 But it didn't block the flow, so I wasn't having the kidney infection, which people sometimes get, that's really dangerous.

02:48:05.000 Would they do that and they operate on you?

02:48:06.000 Well, what they wanted to do is they send sound waves in from the back and the front and they calibrate it so that the waves meet right where the stone is. 1.00

02:48:15.000 No, when you say the back and the front, you mean your dick hole and your butthole? 1.00

02:48:17.000 No, no, it's in your abdomen. 1.00

02:48:19.000 Oh.

02:48:19.000 It's going from your kidney in this little tube down to your bladder.

02:48:23.000 Well, how do they get that sound in there?

02:48:26.000 So they do an x-ray and find exactly where it is, right?

02:48:30.000 And then they have, like, sonogram machines, right, that are sending vibrations in, and they meet at the point where the stone is, and they'll break it into sand, and then you can piss it out.

02:48:39.000 What?

02:48:40.000 Yeah, it's great.

02:48:41.000 What?

02:48:41.000 But, unfortunately, mine had already passed through the tube into my bladder by the time they got around to it, so they're like, well, if it's in the bladder, we can't do it.

02:48:49.000 We're going to have to go in through your dick, through your pee hole, with, like, needle-nose pliers. 1.00

02:48:55.000 Oh! 1.00

02:48:56.000 They go up and grab this thing and then pull it out through your dick. 1.00

02:49:00.000 You're awake? 1.00

02:49:00.000 You're awake while this is happening? 1.00

02:49:01.000 Yeah!

02:49:02.000 And I had the meeting with the anesthesiologist and I'm like, can you just put me under for this?

02:49:07.000 I do not want to be awake when something's gone.

02:49:09.000 No, I want to look in your eyes.

02:49:10.000 I want to see the soul scream behind your retina.

02:49:16.000 Man up!

02:49:16.000 Man up, boy!

02:49:17.000 So I was, like, not into this, right?

02:49:20.000 And I'm on the waiting list. 1.00

02:49:22.000 And it's like any day they're going to call me and I'm going to go in and they're going to, like, put this thing up my dick. 0.99

02:49:27.000 And meanwhile, it was New Year's Eve. 0.99

02:49:31.000 Casilda and I wake up in the morning, New Year's Day morning. 0.94

02:49:35.000 We have sex. 0.98

02:49:36.000 I go downstairs to the bathroom and I'm pissing in the bathroom sink because we have this Asian toilet, squat toilet. 1.00

02:49:45.000 So if I piss in that standing up, it splashes all over.

02:49:47.000 So the deal is I piss in the sink and rinse it and it's fine.

02:49:51.000 You never notice.

02:49:52.000 You never notice.

02:49:52.000 So I'm pissing down the side of the sink and bloop.

02:49:56.000 How comes the stone?

02:49:59.000 Painless.

02:49:59.000 How big is it?

02:50:00.000 It's like half, I don't know, is that a centimeter?

02:50:03.000 Something like, you know, about the size of your fingertip.

02:50:06.000 It's a real rock.

02:50:07.000 It was like a snowflake.

02:50:09.000 It was a wafer.

02:50:10.000 Thick.

02:50:11.000 Thicker than a snowflake, but like a wafer. 0.99

02:50:13.000 It just popped out and somehow it had gotten into the tube and the orgasm, the ejaculation pushed it right up to the end of my dick and then when I pissed it just popped out. 0.99

02:50:23.000 It was no pain at all. 0.99

02:50:24.000 It was masked by the orgasm.

02:50:26.000 So it lubed it up?

02:50:27.000 It lubed it up and it filled my head with endorphins or whatever when I was having the orgasm so I didn't feel the pain.

02:50:35.000 I felt like a slight burn but like yeah whatever.

02:50:38.000 It was fantastic.

02:50:39.000 So that's my kidney stone story.

02:50:41.000 So I do, but I think I'm being looked over.

02:50:44.000 Cassie took it to the hospital and had it analyzed.

02:50:47.000 What'd they say?

02:50:48.000 Well, I guess they can, by looking at the chemical composition, they can tell what causes it, if it's a chronic thing or if it's dehydration or whatever.

02:50:57.000 What if it was from another planet, bro?

02:50:59.000 Exactly.

02:51:00.000 That'd be amazing.

02:51:01.000 It was moon rock. 0.90

02:51:02.000 You're pissing out on an alien implant.

02:51:03.000 How did a moon rock get in there?

02:51:04.000 Tiny little writing on it. 0.81

02:51:06.000 Well, when Duncan and I were doing that silly...

02:51:08.000 Help! 0.98

02:51:08.000 Help me, I'm stuck in here. 0.98

02:51:09.000 When Duncan and I were doing that silly show, the Joe Rogan Questions Everything show, we ran into these people that do think that they have implants in their body that aliens have.

02:51:18.000 And they'll find, like, some bizarre imperfection in their skin and they'll swear that wasn't there before and that there's something in there.

02:51:25.000 And one of them was insanely hot.

02:51:27.000 And we got Duncan to talk to her and Duncan's like, yeah, I mean, probably.

02:51:31.000 Most likely, yeah.

02:51:33.000 I mean, totally makes sense.

02:51:35.000 No.

02:51:35.000 I was being a good journalist.

02:51:37.000 If it was a bald, fat man in his 60s, Duncan would have went, like, wait a minute.

02:51:43.000 Why do you think that that's an alien implant? 0.70

02:51:46.000 Why would you just think it's a scratch?

02:51:48.000 I resent this.

02:51:49.000 I missed that episode.

02:51:50.000 No, you're questioning my journalistic integrity.

02:51:54.000 Well, you were amazing when you talked to the underground bunker guy who was gonna start a cult.

02:51:58.000 Now that was intense, man.

02:51:59.000 That was intense.

02:52:00.000 I'll never forget driving around underneath that mountain with that guy.

02:52:04.000 It was pretty nuts, man.

02:52:06.000 The guy has an underground mountain base.

02:52:08.000 Like, ready for the apocalypse.

02:52:10.000 Renting RV spaces.

02:52:12.000 In New Mexico or something?

02:52:13.000 Where was it?

02:52:13.000 I can't remember, man.

02:52:14.000 I just know it was out in the middle of nowhere.

02:52:16.000 Renting RVs.

02:52:17.000 So you can, like, rent a space.

02:52:19.000 Like a parking.

02:52:20.000 You park your RV. You take your camper van.

02:52:23.000 But they had this, like, underneath this mountain, there's, you know, he'd set up example homes that you could live in in this paradise, and he kept saying how, like, there's going to be a wine bar.

02:52:32.000 That's one thing he kept saying, but...

02:52:36.000 Everyone you know is dead, but...

02:52:38.000 There's a wine bar.

02:52:40.000 But what was weird is that you got out of him that he was going to be the king.

02:52:44.000 That's right.

02:52:45.000 Yeah, he was.

02:52:46.000 He was going to be in charge, man.

02:52:47.000 And he had set up an RV with a little bit of astroturf in front of it and some playground equipment.

02:52:56.000 Like that's what the future looked like under there.

02:52:58.000 It's like your kids would be able to play in the darkness of this massive cavern.

02:53:04.000 He kept saying how they were about to have like an airtight door put in and really, really spooky.

02:53:11.000 There's a lot of different places like that.

02:53:12.000 There's a lot of caverns that people are planning on living in.

02:53:17.000 They'll call it progress.

02:53:19.000 Did this guy dig it out, or was it always there?

02:53:21.000 The military had used it.

02:53:23.000 The military dug it out.

02:53:25.000 They were using it as some kind of storage facility, and so he bought it from them and then converted it to this theoretically dystopian future place that you go to to save yourself when the bombs go off.

02:53:40.000 It sounds like an alien movie.

02:53:41.000 Like they just didn't tell them that they had stored alien artifacts in that same location and while they're there it comes alive and like we have movement in the corridor.

02:53:51.000 What?

02:53:51.000 There's nothing in the corridor but us.

02:53:53.000 We've double checked and triple checked.

02:53:55.000 Well, we just found this manuscript and we're not sure what to make of it.

02:54:00.000 Yeah, man.

02:54:02.000 It sounds like that movie Room to me.

02:54:04.000 Did you guys see that?

02:54:05.000 Room.

02:54:07.000 It's about this woman who's kidnapped by this dude who locks her in a room and rapes her and it's this terrible thing, but she has a kid.

02:54:15.000 And the kid doesn't know there's a world outside.

02:54:19.000 And so she and she wants the kid to be happy.

02:54:22.000 So she tells them all these stories and all this stuff.

02:54:24.000 And the kid grows up in this garage, basically thinking like that's the whole world.

02:54:29.000 And you think about it, that's applicable to I mean, talk about a metaphor.

02:54:33.000 You know, we're told what reality is.

02:54:35.000 We're told what to believe.

02:54:37.000 And it's a matrix.

02:54:38.000 It's all these things.

02:54:39.000 The Matrix.

02:54:40.000 Gnosticism.

02:54:41.000 It's the idea that what we are in right now is actually an interdimensional prison.

02:54:48.000 And we've been trapped by these super advanced beings that have kept us here called the Dark Archons. 0.98

02:54:54.000 And that they like power and authority.

02:54:58.000 And so anybody...

02:55:00.000 So basically this idea...

02:55:02.000 I think it's called Discordianism.

02:55:04.000 But the idea is that Because we are in an interdimensional prison where we've had this consensus reality given to us by people like Bernays, Chef Bernays, who whipped up this reality tunnel that we're all existing in.

02:55:21.000 Because we are in this situation, anyone enforcing the reality tunnel We're good to go.

02:55:42.000 Do anything to break a ridiculous rule, any time you do anything to break a mundane law, any time you do anything to subvert the authority of someone getting off on their power, you are actually taking part in a kind of holy war and subverting this very ancient and terrible prison that all humanity is trapped in where People parade around as though they have some kind of right to authority. 0.99

02:56:07.000 Kings, being the classic case, they somehow convinced people that they were gods on earth. 0.98

02:56:14.000 Clearly just human beings, the ultimate liars. 0.85

02:56:17.000 You're not a god, you're a human who's convinced us that you have some kind of power. 1.00

02:56:21.000 And so anytime you do anything to subvert those people, whether it's some fucking asshole who's wearing a crown and has convinced you that he's the A divine being sent here. 1.00

02:56:30.000 Whether it's some son of a bitch in one of those reality shows who's like going through your pockets for weed. 1.00

02:56:35.000 Anytime you do anything to even disrupt that system a little bit, you're doing a holy act in the great war against the interdimensional prison keepers who are keeping us trapped here. 0.99

02:56:46.000 Look up Discordianism.

02:56:47.000 It's awesome.

02:56:48.000 And on that note, that's three hours in.

02:56:50.000 Awesome!

02:56:52.000 That's nice.

02:56:53.000 I was gonna say, I can hear that rant already on YouTube.

02:56:56.000 It's already there.

02:56:57.000 People have already...

02:56:58.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:56:58.000 With animation and fucking dark overlords. 0.99

02:57:01.000 Ladies and gentlemen, that's it. 0.99

02:57:03.000 What are we calling this?

02:57:04.000 Shrimp parade?

02:57:05.000 Shrimp parade!

02:57:06.000 It's over, folks.

02:57:07.000 Thank you, everybody.

02:57:08.000 Much love.

02:57:09.000 See you soon.

02:57:10.000 Bye-bye.

02:57:10.000 Bye.

02:57:13.000 Oh, that was great.

02:57:14.000 I got it.

02:57:14.000 I was.

02:57:15.000 I got it.

02:57:16.000 Raise the sword.

02:57:17.000 Raise the sword.

02:57:24.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 22, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #739 - Duncan Trussell & Christopher Ryan

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