The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #783 - John Dudley

00:00:04.000 Yes!

00:00:05.000 We're live, John Dudley.

00:00:07.000 Hey, buddy.

00:00:07.000 Put the phone away and let's get popping.

00:00:10.000 No, I have some important subjects that I wanted to vent about.

00:00:15.000 Oh, did you put them on like a little note?

00:00:17.000 Yeah, I got a notepad.

00:00:19.000 I'm pretty good about doing homework, so I love your podcast.

00:00:22.000 So listening through, there was craft you talked about.

00:00:25.000 I was like, oh yeah, I got to get on.

00:00:26.000 Oh, you got to bring it up?

00:00:27.000 Yeah.

00:00:28.000 So John Dudley, the world famous archery coach, he's got a TV show, he's got a podcast.

00:00:33.000 I found out about you because of the TV show first, the podcast second, which I became obsessed with.

00:00:38.000 If you're into archery, like I know some of these people that are listening to this podcast, they get into archery.

00:00:42.000 Because it sounds fun, like, ooh, maybe I need a new hobby.

00:00:45.000 And then you go down that crazy rabbit hole.

00:00:48.000 Well, when I found you, you're down the rabbit hole like a few light years. 0.82

00:00:53.000 You're gone, man.

00:00:54.000 Freaking Johnny Depp down in that deep.

00:00:56.000 Johnny deep.

00:00:57.000 You're gone.

00:00:58.000 You're gone down the archery rabbit hole.

00:01:00.000 I had no idea the rabbit hole goes so deep.

00:01:02.000 But let's show this video.

00:01:04.000 We're going to play this video.

00:01:05.000 This is before John came up here.

00:01:07.000 Now, I just need to explain...

00:01:10.000 How difficult it is just to even hit a target at 100 yards.

00:01:14.000 This is at 100?

00:01:15.000 Yeah.

00:01:16.000 Okay, 100 yards is the length of a football field.

00:01:20.000 I'm not going to shut that thing off.

00:01:21.000 It's off.

00:01:21.000 Just shut the volume off there.

00:01:24.000 100 yards is the length of a football field.

00:01:27.000 For archery, it's so hard to hit something as wide as your wingspan at 100 yards for the average person. 0.65

00:01:35.000 And so John made this ridiculous shot on one of the gorilla kettlebells from Onnit. 0.80

00:01:42.000 Yeah, this was a... 0.71

00:01:44.000 This is going to be an unbelievable challenge.

00:01:47.000 I've got Joe Rogan's favorite workout tool.

00:01:50.000 I've got an Onnit Kettlebell Primal and Kong is going to have to make a decision whether he's going to let this arrow pass or not.

00:02:00.000 I'm going to try to put an arrow through that two inch handle right there and actually at this distance of a hundred yards And the angle that arrow has to come in, I bet it's even smaller.

00:02:13.000 This is going to be an unbelievable challenge.

00:02:16.000 Definitely going to have to defy the odds.

00:02:18.000 My idea is to put them right here on this shelf and I've got a curtain right behind so hopefully it'll stop the arrow but also let it do its thing so that we can capture all this on tape right at dark.

00:02:32.000 I'm going to put an arrow through a two inch gap in the handle.

00:02:39.000 If Kong lets it pass.

00:02:56.000 There he is.

00:02:57.000 Let's check it out. 0.91

00:02:58.000 It's so ridiculous that that actually went in that little hole at 100 yards. 0.57

00:03:04.000 Did you have to try more than one attempt?

00:03:06.000 This was actually my first shot with everything set up because I had to do a little bit of homework.

00:03:13.000 What I did was I knew I couldn't see the hole in the...

00:03:17.000 Handle good enough to aim at it.

00:03:21.000 So I actually sighted my bow in to where I hit four and a half inches high from Kong's face.

00:03:28.000 So I literally aimed right at Kong's shiny face and I had my bow sighted in to hit four and a half inches high to make it through the gap.

00:03:36.000 That's insane.

00:03:37.000 Yep.

00:03:37.000 Yeah.

00:03:38.000 My wife's filming right here. 0.86

00:03:39.000 Sharon was running the iPhone.

00:03:41.000 But I had four cameras out so we could get some cool angles and stuff.

00:03:44.000 Nailed it!

00:03:45.000 I wanted to wait till night so that that lighted knock could give a little bit more wow factor for everyone watching. 0.98

00:03:52.000 This is such a ridiculous shot.

00:03:57.000 Thanks to the Onnit people too. 0.93

00:04:00.000 That was awesome, getting that thing.

00:04:02.000 Look at that.

00:04:03.000 Yeah, that was pretty crazy.

00:04:04.000 Right there, Hoyt Carbon Defiant.

00:04:06.000 There you go, Joe.

00:04:08.000 How awesome is that?

00:04:10.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:04:11.000 And you can watch that on YouTube.

00:04:12.000 It just went up on YouTube.

00:04:14.000 On the Knock On Archery.

00:04:16.000 Did you guys put it up too?

00:04:17.000 We'll put a link up.

00:04:18.000 Jamie, if you can, tweet it and I'll retweet it when we get a chance.

00:04:23.000 That's insanely hard to do.

00:04:25.000 I mean, I never did any archery whatsoever until about three years ago.

00:04:29.000 I mean, maybe I might have done it.

00:04:31.000 I think I might have done it in the Boy Scouts.

00:04:33.000 Yeah, everyone says that.

00:04:35.000 You know what's funny is every person that finds out, one, they're In disbelief that there's actually like professional archers.

00:04:43.000 But then they say, oh, I tried archery like back in school one time in gym and I loved it.

00:04:49.000 But then everyone says, but I hit my arm.

00:04:52.000 Right.

00:04:52.000 They like remember that they tried it once and they loved it, but they hit their arm.

00:04:57.000 That's what they always say.

00:04:58.000 Yeah, I always thought you had to wear those wrist things.

00:05:01.000 Like when I would see people that were shooting bows without those wrist things, I'm like, they're like riding a motorcycle without a helmet. 0.91

00:05:08.000 These people are crazy. 0.98

00:05:09.000 They're loose people. 1.00

00:05:10.000 Well, the way some people shoot, it is like riding a bike without a helmet.

00:05:14.000 You peel some skin off if you do it the wrong way.

00:05:16.000 Well, that's what I've been going into over these last couple of days with you, and it's one of the more fascinating aspects about this.

00:05:22.000 I don't want to call it a sport, because I think archery is a lot of different things.

00:05:27.000 It's a discipline, for sure, but when it's done correctly, in a lot of ways, it's almost like a martial art.

00:05:34.000 It's like a weapon art.

00:05:37.000 In martial arts, when you see someone do something, like if someone's really good at judo or something like that, Like when they execute a throw, and it's just perfect position and perfect technique, it's beautiful.

00:05:48.000 You know, there's like a beauty to it.

00:05:50.000 And when you see an archer, like I was talking to you about that, when I was watching and trying to get it in my head, this sort of flow that you have in what you do, it's super similar in a lot of ways.

00:06:03.000 And something that I really didn't predict, like...

00:06:07.000 I guess I just always assume that I kind of know what something is if it seems pretty straightforward.

00:06:13.000 Like, oh yeah, you pull the string back and then you let the arrow fly.

00:06:17.000 Pretty straightforward.

00:06:18.000 Like, I think that's most people's idea of what archery is.

00:06:22.000 But then when you really pay attention to the technical aspects of all the different stuff that's going on and all the different things you think about and how you literally cannot have anything on your mind other than All the technique involved your foot placement,

00:06:38.000 your technique in standing, your breathing, how you're drawing it back, the position of your front shoulder, the position of your rear elbow, how you're pulling, how do you respond after the arrow is released?

00:06:50.000 There's so much going on that when you put it all together, it leaves no room for For homework. 0.99

00:06:58.000 There's no room for relationship bullshit. 0.97

00:07:00.000 There's no room for taxes. 1.00

00:07:01.000 There's no room in there, man.

00:07:03.000 If you want to make a nice shot like that, I guarantee you, if we could have a brain scan of your head, the second you release that arrow at 100 yards to go in that two-inch gap, there would be nothing in there other than what you did.

00:07:17.000 There would be no other cells that would be fired up.

00:07:20.000 No, that's one thing.

00:07:22.000 And actually, yesterday when we were shooting, Towards the end of the day, you got to the point where your mind was clear.

00:07:32.000 It's almost like, for me, your family came home.

00:07:37.000 Things were winding down.

00:07:38.000 You knew that work was over.

00:07:40.000 It was right before dark.

00:07:42.000 For me, I love shooting at first light and at last light because it seems like that's when I'm not really worried about someone texting me or calling me.

00:07:50.000 I'm not worried about a problem at home.

00:07:52.000 And I shoot with a clear mind, and I'm way more efficient at my practice, and it is a form of meditation.

00:07:59.000 I mean, like you said, it's an art, and if you're clouded, then it will reflect that on the target.

00:08:08.000 I mean, it's like if your arrows are in one spot, then you know you have a single focus.

00:08:14.000 And it's almost like the more those arrows are spread, that's a representation of...

00:08:19.000 How many other thoughts and distractions you have going in your mind?

00:08:23.000 I mean, and I look at it that way when I shoot.

00:08:26.000 I'm trying to narrow everything down to just a movement.

00:08:30.000 And you look at good golfers, the ones that swing easy and it just literally looks like flow, they're such good strikers and they're so much more efficient.

00:08:41.000 When you see people that are trying to be robotic and almost like hack something, Then it's too systematic.

00:08:49.000 You see someone that does professional karate or something, if they're in a forms competition, if they're real rigid going around, it's just not what it's meant to be.

00:08:59.000 It's supposed to be a dance.

00:09:01.000 It's supposed to be literally a mental musical that's playing.

00:09:06.000 And if your mind is clear, then it's a form of meditation.

00:09:11.000 It really is.

00:09:12.000 No question about it.

00:09:13.000 And that same state of total, complete concentration exists in a bunch of different disciplines.

00:09:20.000 And finding it in archery now, or I should say recognizing it.

00:09:25.000 I definitely haven't hit it.

00:09:27.000 But finding that, seeing it, and recognizing that sort of...

00:09:33.000 Super high-level flow that comes into play when someone's excellent at what they do.

00:09:39.000 I've seen that in pool.

00:09:40.000 I've seen that watching professional pool players.

00:09:43.000 A perfect example, you were talking about striking the ball really hard as a golfer.

00:09:48.000 There's a guy named Francisco Bustamante.

00:09:50.000 He's one of the best pool players in the world.

00:09:52.000 He's from the Philippines. 0.84

00:09:54.000 And Francisco Bustamante has the most ridiculous break. 0.97

00:09:58.000 You would think, if you watch his break shot, that he weighs 400 pounds and has arms like tree trunks. 0.99

00:10:04.000 You watch that break, it's just blah, blah, and those balls go flying.

00:10:10.000 If you watch the speed of the ball, it's effortless.

00:10:14.000 The way he does it is he has this perfect amount of timing and flow.

00:10:18.000 Here you can see him do it here.

00:10:20.000 This isn't him.

00:10:21.000 This is a different guy.

00:10:22.000 If you just look up Bustamante, Francisco Bustamante Breaking.

00:10:27.000 That's what it says.

00:10:27.000 It says that there?

00:10:28.000 Well, this is definitely not him.

00:10:29.000 This is some overweight gentleman.

00:10:32.000 What if he gained weight?

00:10:33.000 Oh, that is him.

00:10:34.000 That is him.

00:10:34.000 He's in a weird pose.

00:10:37.000 Oh, that's what it is.

00:10:38.000 Oh, okay.

00:10:38.000 It's just a weird pose.

00:10:40.000 I thought when he was bent over, I thought that was his whole body.

00:10:43.000 He is loading up.

00:10:43.000 Yeah.

00:10:44.000 But he's a tiny guy.

00:10:46.000 Like, if you see him physically, yeah.

00:10:48.000 I mean, he might weigh, like, well, he's a little fat now.

00:10:50.000 He's getting older.

00:10:51.000 But when he was young, he probably weighed, like, 140 pounds.

00:10:54.000 But he was like, bah, blam!

00:10:56.000 Oh my goodness. 0.99

00:10:58.000 Look at those balls. 1.00

00:10:59.000 They go flying everywhere. 0.99

00:11:00.000 No one's like him.

00:11:01.000 Yeah, dog, get after it.

00:11:04.000 Yeah, he's excited.

00:11:04.000 I think he just won on the break or something like that.

00:11:06.000 That is sweet.

00:11:07.000 I've seen him make six balls on the break.

00:11:10.000 Like, he's playing nine ball.

00:11:11.000 He makes six balls on the break.

00:11:12.000 He's got three balls to run out.

00:11:14.000 He's just insanely good.

00:11:15.000 But he's just a devastating player all around.

00:11:19.000 And one of the things when you watch him play, and a lot of the Filipinos, Filipinos are so good.

00:11:24.000 There's so many really good Filipino pool players.

00:11:26.000 But they have this gentle flow to what they're doing.

00:11:30.000 Everything is like a ballet, like effortless.

00:11:34.000 The weight of the cue does all the work, and everything looks so flowing, like a dance.

00:11:42.000 Well, the one thing that's so cool about...

00:11:46.000 Well, the one thing I'm really proud of as an archer is that I've got to the point where I have a platform to get people involved.

00:11:53.000 And that was when I found out that you really liked my podcast, which the podcasts are totally geared around education and learning.

00:12:02.000 I got to a platform to where I could help people.

00:12:06.000 And now there's people like you that are coming in that...

00:12:09.000 Never really have considered that whole world.

00:12:12.000 And they come in and I look at people that like, you know, they go to the YMCA, they want to take like Tai Chi or they want to take yoga.

00:12:19.000 They're looking for a stress-free type of hobby.

00:12:25.000 And archery is a great sport for that.

00:12:28.000 It's growing so much.

00:12:29.000 I mean, Hollywood's embracing it, obviously, with a lot of the movies, but they're not portraying it as an art form.

00:12:36.000 Yeah, and when that movie, what the hell is it called?

00:12:39.000 Hunger Games.

00:12:40.000 Hunger Games.

00:12:42.000 When she started becoming more famous, or that movie, rather, became popular, archery took off, didn't it?

00:12:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:49.000 A lot of people got involved.

00:12:50.000 Yeah, I mean, you look at the Avengers, you look at Hunger Games, there's actually so many, even a lot of the sitcoms now, you know.

00:13:01.000 Obviously, crossbows are popular because of the Walking Dead, but when it comes to true archery, you just see a lot more archers coming in.

00:13:08.000 Lord of the Rings, Legolas was so popular because of that.

00:13:14.000 It's really such a cool sport.

00:13:16.000 I mean, it's an Olympic sport, and we actually have a phenomenal Olympic team here in the U.S. Our men's team is definitely going to be contenders for another medal.

00:13:25.000 They were silver medalists last year.

00:13:27.000 And so you were saying that compound bows are not in the Olympics?

00:13:30.000 No.

00:13:30.000 It's recurve bows?

00:13:30.000 Yep, it's recurve bows.

00:13:32.000 And it's kind of a tradition, and honestly, it's a different style of art, but it's super graceful, too.

00:13:39.000 And I mean, I think everyone has something that they like.

00:13:44.000 Some people like the simplicity of a sport.

00:13:47.000 It's like there's people that go and want to only have a longbow.

00:13:52.000 They don't want sights.

00:13:54.000 They just want the zen part of trying to pull back with no sights.

00:13:58.000 But then there's also people like us that want to see how finite and accurate you can become.

00:14:05.000 So they like the techie side, which is where compound bows come in.

00:14:08.000 They're much more efficient, and obviously the accuracy, as we've seen, is almost mind-blowing at times.

00:14:15.000 Pretty mind-blowing.

00:14:16.000 And it's also for a guy like me, because I'm a gadget dork.

00:14:21.000 So it combines both things.

00:14:23.000 It combines the zen aspect of complete and total discipline and focus and looking at one task and drowning out the rest of the world.

00:14:31.000 But it also has, like...

00:14:33.000 Geeky stuff like different kinds of sights and this is a new cam that they just came out with and these are different kinds of strings and when you do this it makes this better and this is so much going on with it.

00:14:44.000 Oh yeah you can you know if I look back at the bows I started with and I've I've only been shooting professionally since 97 so I mean it's 19 years I guess it seemed I'm getting old now but um that's a long time the bows that I used then that are at the house You wonder how in the heck you shot that good with them and actually two months ago I was at the Olympic headquarters like the Olympic Museum so they have all these awesome Olympic artifacts

00:15:14.000 of like swim trunks people wear or like you know the javelin got to see the original recurve bow like j bars was actually on display and they constantly change them so if you're visiting the museum you're not seeing the same things all the time but You look at those pieces of equipment,

00:15:32.000 the bikes, I mean, the bikes that people rode in the Olympic Games, it's like, holy cow, how are they that efficient?

00:15:39.000 It's almost more impressive because now we've gotten so advanced in our equipment that it's easier to be at the level, I think, than 20 years ago because the equipment just wasn't there.

00:15:54.000 You know, I almost wonder if those people...

00:15:57.000 Didn't have to put in two or three times the time and be just that much more elegant at what they did because their equipment was almost a handicap back then. 0.98

00:16:09.000 Could they perform the same kind of feats?

00:16:11.000 Like, could someone shoot an arrow like that?

00:16:13.000 Like, was it a common thing to be able to shoot what you did, a hundred yards, and shooting through that two-inch opening into the kettlebell handle?

00:16:21.000 I'm sure there are people that were.

00:16:23.000 There's actually a lot of people in archery now that are pushing this envelope.

00:16:28.000 I mean, long-distance shooting is becoming super popular.

00:16:31.000 And, you know, to a lot of the real target archers that are out there that are listening to this podcast, see, when we go to a full FITA tournament, we shoot 30...

00:16:41.000 What does FITA stand for?

00:16:43.000 Well, now it's World Archery.

00:16:45.000 So, at World Archery event, if you shot a full target round, You would shoot arrows at 30 meters, 50 meters, 70 meters, and 90 meters.

00:16:57.000 And I found out from you that 90 meters is 99 yards.

00:17:01.000 It's one of the easiest metric conversions to do.

00:17:04.000 You take the first number and you add it.

00:17:07.000 So if you got 40, take the 4 and add it behind the 40. You got 44 yards if it's 40 meters.

00:17:13.000 So yeah, that's one of the one metric system that I never forget.

00:17:18.000 So 99 yards is where we would stand on the line and shoot at.

00:17:22.000 And I think I told you that back in 2005, I was really focused on...

00:17:29.000 Shooting well for the U.S. team when I was on the compound team and there were several tournaments that I was really focused on.

00:17:35.000 I knew that I was going to be shooting a national championship in Britain and Australia.

00:17:42.000 I was going to be going.

00:17:43.000 I think I shot one in Poland.

00:17:46.000 Had one or two here in the U.S. You know, that year, I think I logged, I mean, I shot two, three, four hundred arrows a day in 90 meters.

00:17:58.000 For me, the further you go out, it's like putting a bigger microscope on things that you're doing wrong.

00:18:04.000 You know, it's just like an archer.

00:18:08.000 If you look at a golfer that's making long putts, obviously it's magnifying mistakes in their swing.

00:18:14.000 Or golfers that are drivers, people that really are just sitting there trying to be accurate at the long game, it magnifies mistakes.

00:18:22.000 So I really like shooting at longer distances.

00:18:24.000 I know you do too.

00:18:26.000 Because it magnifies a mistake and you can correct it easier and it really helps bring things together.

00:18:33.000 But that year, I shot well over 30,000 arrows at 99 yards during training.

00:18:40.000 That's insane.

00:18:41.000 Yeah.

00:18:42.000 I mean, and there's professional archers.

00:18:44.000 I guarantee you there's archers right now somewhere that's preparing for a World Cup event or something.

00:18:50.000 And there's people that literally have calluses and Thicker than most weightlifters just from grabbing a hold of that release.

00:18:58.000 I remember looking at an Olympic recurve shooter's fingers one time, and I remember his hands, his three fingers that he grabs his string with.

00:19:09.000 It looked like a frog hand because the tips were so big from pulling blood.

00:19:15.000 You know, I think because he and I mean these guys you look at the people that are like the Olympic training centers that are just there they get up they go eat and then they shoot until five or six at night and they eat and then they go and do a weight training session.

00:19:31.000 I bet you there's people that do a thousand arrows a day.

00:19:35.000 So you can build up some stamina.

00:19:39.000 It's really impressive.

00:19:42.000 But in saying that, I think with archery, you know that I'm really big into fitness as well.

00:19:49.000 I credit my fitness.

00:19:51.000 And my story as an athlete prior to being an archer as part of what's helped me be successful.

00:19:58.000 And there's a big difference between quantity and quality.

00:20:04.000 And a lot of people make the mistake I think with any sport of just trying to practice more or train more.

00:20:14.000 And even weightlifters.

00:20:16.000 You know, I see people that I go in the gym and they're like on one exercise.

00:20:19.000 And then when I leave the gym in 50 minutes or an hour, they're like maybe done two different types of exercise.

00:20:26.000 And it's just, it's not efficient.

00:20:29.000 You know, I think a lot of people as athletes sometimes miss the boat of quality over the quantity.

00:20:36.000 And Right.

00:20:48.000 You don't try to push through it.

00:20:55.000 If we're just out here getting repetition, I guess that's one thing, but we really don't need to do that aiming at a target.

00:21:02.000 Well, you had a really good point, too, about those bad shots and bad repetitions.

00:21:07.000 You've got to get those out of your head.

00:21:10.000 So it's not just that you made a bad shot.

00:21:12.000 Now you have to make a bunch of good shots to try to get away from the effect of the bad shot.

00:21:17.000 It's not as simple as the one bad shot.

00:21:19.000 No, it's imprinting.

00:21:21.000 I mean, it's...

00:21:22.000 It's an imprint, and I think with any type of athletic, and it's probably that way with fighters, I'm sure, too.

00:21:28.000 If you get someone that's just really in a rhythm and in a flow, if all of a sudden they start making a mistake or doing something bad, as a coach, you try to get them back into that rhythm again so that you can weed out that imprint.

00:21:44.000 And that's tough as an athlete sometimes.

00:21:47.000 People that...

00:21:48.000 And I'm sure for fighters, you know, you look at people that come out and have a disappointing loss, it's almost like that's an imprint.

00:21:54.000 It is, and that's why that statement, you're only as good as your last fight, is so disturbing to fighters.

00:22:00.000 Yeah, and that's one thing, one of the most important things that I learned as a competitive archer, and I had a temper when I first...

00:22:12.000 If I made a bad shot, you know, kind of like when you kind of put one in the pool.

00:22:20.000 When you put one in the pool and you were pissed off.

00:22:26.000 That's how I would be on a tournament.

00:22:29.000 I would freaking ram my stabilizer into the ground so hard that I would crack it.

00:22:34.000 Well, my problem wasn't that I just did it once.

00:22:38.000 It's a really complicated, geeky sort of an explanation, folks, but there's a certain type of release.

00:22:43.000 Where it's a tension-based release, and that's what we're practicing with.

00:22:46.000 The difference between pulling a trigger and then allowing the tension, but you have to hold the safety while you pull it back.

00:22:52.000 Otherwise, the arrow just boink, it just flies.

00:22:55.000 I mean, it's not like it's going to shoot anything.

00:22:58.000 It's going really slow, but it lobs in a very embarrassing and just very disappointing way.

00:23:04.000 Just boink, comes off your thing. 0.99

00:23:05.000 As you're pulling the bow back, it goes boink, and you go, what the fuck? 0.99

00:23:09.000 I did this again. 0.99

00:23:10.000 I did it three times.

00:23:12.000 I did it yesterday and today.

00:23:13.000 It's super embarrassing.

00:23:17.000 I was definitely annoyed at myself.

00:23:20.000 Well, when I would make something like that that would really trigger me into a pissed off realm, I would let one mistake...

00:23:30.000 Affect everything else after that.

00:23:33.000 And a lot of athletes, the really good athletes that I watch in any sport, tennis players, golfers, the key is when you have a negative moment to not let it affect what hasn't happened yet.

00:23:49.000 So, a guy came up to me one time after I made a bad shot and he could tell I was getting hot.

00:23:54.000 And he looked at me and he said, you know, the only arrows you have control on right now are the ones that are still in that quiver.

00:24:03.000 And for me, it completely changed my outcome as a professional archer.

00:24:11.000 And I've brought so much of what archery has done to me as an athlete into my life.

00:24:17.000 And there's times where something really torques you off, and you have to just look at, okay, everything I do from here on out is the only thing I have control on.

00:24:30.000 Because...

00:24:31.000 That's history.

00:24:33.000 I haven't figured out a way, once that release goes, pling, to actually grab that arrow and pull it back and stick it back in the quiver or put it back on the string.

00:24:45.000 It's like a perfect representation of life. 0.99

00:24:48.000 You make a decision, if it was shit... 0.98

00:24:52.000 You have to reset and say, what do I need to do with myself to get back on track in life? 0.98

00:24:59.000 We make bad decisions at times, but how do we make a good decision to get back online?

00:25:06.000 Yeah, it's management of the mind in a lot of ways.

00:25:09.000 And one of the things that I also like about archery, love about archery, is that it's absolute.

00:25:15.000 You can't pull that...

00:25:17.000 Arrow back like it's flying through the air and either it hits the bullseye or you missed It's it's just it is what it is.

00:25:24.000 It doesn't care about where you live It doesn't care who your uncle is.

00:25:28.000 It doesn't care how much money you make a year It doesn't care like the arrow is gonna go.

00:25:32.000 It's an absolute discipline and I think you coming from professionals or coming from sports rather sports background played a lot of football and When you play sports, especially insanely competitive sports, you learn where all the edges are to be had.

00:25:49.000 You learn where all the edges are to be had as far as technique, as far as conditioning, as far as all the different things you have to do in order to be successful and to win.

00:25:57.000 And everyone knows that in most sports, especially in a physical sport like football, there's a fucking lot of work involved.

00:26:03.000 There's not a single person who jumps off the bench and You have to learn how to move.

00:26:13.000 You have to learn all of the different plays.

00:26:16.000 You have to learn technique involved in different aspects of the sport.

00:26:20.000 And I think coming from a competitive background in athletics, you've kind of translated that understanding of where all the problems are In archery, because there's a lot of people that don't have good coaching, and so they start off with a lot of really bad habits.

00:26:37.000 And then they have to figure out a way to either break those habits, or they live with those habits, and then they do the best they can.

00:26:45.000 We're good to go.

00:27:03.000 And I would have to go, oh Jesus, I've got to figure out a way to break this guy of this thing because as soon as he gets tired or as soon as he panics, the knee goes down, the foot goes up, he loses all the power, the hips don't engage.

00:27:15.000 But if I could take a kid, like a five-year-old kid, and show them that from the beginning, their instinct would be to throw it correctly.

00:27:22.000 The instinct, even when tired...

00:27:24.000 Knee comes up, hip turns over, body extends, full power.

00:27:28.000 And those things are so hard to unlearn once you get like a bad path.

00:27:35.000 That's why I really do think that archery in a lot of ways is a martial art.

00:27:41.000 Yeah, oh yeah.

00:27:42.000 Well, you look at the whole Asian culture, and I've said time and time again, I've coached all over the world, and that's kind of what I do now.

00:27:53.000 I do a lot of coaching that most people don't even know about with teams that just would rather have confidentiality in whether or not they're working with an outside source, which is great.

00:28:06.000 But when I... Probably the best place I ever taught was when I went to India.

00:28:12.000 I was supposed to have 16 archers.

00:28:18.000 Once I got there, there was about 140. It was unbelievable.

00:28:23.000 Anyone they thought could be a potential winner for their team was there.

00:28:27.000 There were so many kids and adults that were there.

00:28:32.000 I remember I took several members of the team that had a bad habit of You know, punching the trigger and anticipating the shot, which is a big negative in archery.

00:28:42.000 And I gave them a device, same one I gave you.

00:28:45.000 I gave them a release that forces them to not think about actually aiming the front sight of the bow.

00:28:53.000 It's a device that makes them focus on the movement.

00:28:58.000 Of archery, pulling through the bow, letting the front arm go forward, the back arm to come back.

00:29:04.000 And I remember I gave them string and that release.

00:29:07.000 I took all their bows away and locked them up because I said, until you can do this, we're not going any further.

00:29:13.000 So I took those eight and I had them do that to the side.

00:29:17.000 And then I came over and I started trying to work on all these other people.

00:29:20.000 And there was like...

00:29:21.000 This person needed their bow worked on.

00:29:23.000 This person needed to watch me shoot.

00:29:26.000 People wanted to take pictures or video of me shooting.

00:29:30.000 Then we went to lunch.

00:29:32.000 Then the whole thing started over again.

00:29:35.000 Then when it came to dinner time, I told them, you guys all go ahead.

00:29:40.000 I'm going to pack up my gear.

00:29:42.000 Well, once the whole big crowd left, those same eight kids were still over there with strings on Pulling on that release and almost every one of them were damn near bloody in their hand from just executing.

00:29:58.000 And I came over, I'm like, oh my goodness, have you guys been here the whole day?

00:30:02.000 Yes, sir.

00:30:03.000 Yes, sir.

00:30:04.000 There's like, there's, there, that culture, there's, it's just no wonder to me why like martial arts is such a discipline, because that culture teaches discipline and hard work within that art.

00:30:22.000 Better than anything and I think that archery coming out of you know out of Asia I think all the like the Korean team are so strong because of their disciplines and I'm sure with the martial arts it's the exact same thing they're not afraid to take what the coach says and just do it until the coach says no and a lot of people here in any sport are looking for the shortcut.

00:30:52.000 People at the gym, they want Five-hour body. 0.98

00:30:56.000 Yeah, they want the shake that, you know, melts fat.

00:30:59.000 They want to be able to go in and get the machine that, you know, does four-minute abs or whatever.

00:31:05.000 And the reality is you have to have commitment and you have to have discipline in anything in life.

00:31:12.000 Otherwise, if you don't, you're just going to be another person bitching about why someone else has something you don't because you're not willing to put the effort in for it.

00:31:22.000 Yeah, and then on the other hand, it's not a good idea to cut your hands with a rope.

00:31:26.000 Take some time off, kids.

00:31:28.000 Yeah, slow down.

00:31:31.000 Don't be afraid to raise your hand and say, Coach, can we take a break here?

00:31:34.000 And then I should point out to a lot of people that there's a lot of people that don't want to get involved in anything like archery that aren't interested in it because they feel like they don't want to hunt.

00:31:44.000 They don't want to be a bow hunter.

00:31:45.000 I've heard that before.

00:31:46.000 I'm not interested in that.

00:31:47.000 I'm like...

00:31:49.000 You don't have to be interested in that.

00:31:51.000 That's the furthest end of the extreme spectrum when it comes to archery.

00:31:55.000 You could enjoy archery with just a yard.

00:31:58.000 A yard and a target.

00:32:00.000 You don't need to shoot anything other than a target.

00:32:04.000 Yesterday and today, we were just shooting targets.

00:32:06.000 Very fun.

00:32:07.000 Super fulfilling.

00:32:09.000 At the end of the day, you know, especially because yesterday we made a lot of progress.

00:32:13.000 At the end of the day, I was like, wow, you know, this feels great.

00:32:17.000 It's cleansing.

00:32:18.000 You've made a dramatic improvement.

00:32:20.000 I mean, I'm really pumped with how you are.

00:32:23.000 What I love about archery is, hopefully you can't hear that.

00:32:27.000 This is dang good.

00:32:29.000 By the way, when Joe does his commercials, which actually it's the only thing on TV I don't fast forward through the commercials because I love how you do them.

00:32:38.000 But when he talks about the butter coffee, take his advice on it.

00:32:42.000 It's good.

00:32:43.000 I've enjoyed it.

00:32:45.000 Yeah, get some good coffee, some good grass-fed butter, and some MCT oil.

00:32:50.000 Blend it all up.

00:32:51.000 Yeah, it was awesome.

00:32:53.000 I think what's so cool about archery, too, is it's not a sport that is limited by your age.

00:33:00.000 And for that matter, it's not totally limited by your physical physique.

00:33:06.000 Well, how about that guy that has no arms?

00:33:08.000 Oh yeah, Matt is unbelievable.

00:33:10.000 Incredible.

00:33:11.000 Yeah, Matt Stutzman is, I mean, it should be Matt Stutzman.

00:33:14.000 He's, I mean, the armless archer.

00:33:16.000 He's so, I mean, kind of his nickname is inspirational archer, and he's definitely just that.

00:33:22.000 For someone to be able to shoot with their legs is amazing.

00:33:28.000 And actually, Matt, we haven't talked about this, but Matt and another para-archer here from the U.S. named Jeff Fabry, that Shoots with his mouth.

00:33:37.000 He was in a motorcycle accident, and now he's a para-archer.

00:33:41.000 Yeah, there's Matt Stutzman right there.

00:33:42.000 And so how does Matt, he holds the bow with his right foot, and then his left foot's on the ground, and how does he release the bow?

00:33:51.000 So, well, he's actually designed...

00:33:54.000 Jeff Fabry's next, I think, too, on to the right.

00:33:58.000 So he's developed a release to where he's actually able to push on it with his chin, and he actually activates from back tension now.

00:34:05.000 They've designed a release for him where he can hook on and he slowly starts to continue to move back until it triggers the string to fire.

00:34:14.000 And as he moves back he's still looking through his peep sight?

00:34:18.000 Yep.

00:34:18.000 It's a small movement.

00:34:20.000 You know how small the movement is.

00:34:21.000 I mean, when I talk about that movement, it's very finite.

00:34:24.000 It's a matter of an inch or two.

00:34:25.000 I think that's Jeff right there.

00:34:27.000 Yeah, there's Jeff Avery.

00:34:29.000 So yeah, when I did last year when I had to have my shoulder redone, I did not want to miss archery season and just really took it as a personal challenge to not put my head down.

00:34:44.000 And I learned to shoot.

00:34:47.000 It was actually my bow arm was the one I had worked on, so I had to learn to shoot with my mouth using my opposite arm and my non-dominant eye, which was...

00:35:00.000 I'm thankful for it.

00:35:01.000 People ask me all the time if I regret this or if I would do that different.

00:35:07.000 Screw that.

00:35:09.000 The past is the past.

00:35:11.000 I just want to look forward on everything.

00:35:13.000 When I messed up my shoulder, I was bummed about it, but in all fairness, I thought it was a really good challenge.

00:35:22.000 To look at a sport that I love from a new direction.

00:35:26.000 Yeah, to look at the technique involved.

00:35:28.000 Yep.

00:35:28.000 You know, I think someone said it, I forget who it was, that one of the best ways to get good at something is to do it with your opposite hand.

00:35:37.000 Oh.

00:35:38.000 And that not just doing it, like say if you're boxing and you're working on your straight right hand, a lot of times when you do your straight left hand, It actually improves your straight right hand.

00:35:51.000 Because in learning how to do it in an awkward way, what you're doing is sort of programming into your mind the critical aspects of the technique.

00:35:59.000 How to throw the hips in, when to plant.

00:36:03.000 And then when you go over to your more coordinated side, it's just like super tuned in to the critical aspects of the movement.

00:36:11.000 So then when you throw a left hand, then you switch over to your right side and you're like, It's even better.

00:36:16.000 It's even faster.

00:36:17.000 It's even cleaner.

00:36:18.000 And I think that that probably makes sense with archery as well.

00:36:22.000 I bet a lot of people would probably benefit, although it's not a traditional thing to do, probably benefit from having both a left-handed bow and a right-handed bow and learning how to shoot left-handed.

00:36:30.000 Well, look at how many skateboarders get better when they learn to skate goofy.

00:36:34.000 You know, if they learn to skate with the opposite foot.

00:36:37.000 Back when I was a skater, you know, You either skated straight foot or you skated goofy.

00:36:44.000 But then people didn't really switch back and forth a lot at that time, like the freestyle skaters did back then.

00:36:52.000 But then when I got away from skating and started playing football for a while and then archery, and then all of a sudden, you know...

00:36:59.000 We're good to go.

00:37:20.000 You know, what's funny is sometimes I've seen you say, you know, hey, I'm talking about hunting today, but some of you listeners might get pissed, but whatever, because some people just want UFC or some people don't like to hear the hunting.

00:37:30.000 You can't ever worry about that.

00:37:31.000 Yeah, but what's super...

00:37:34.000 What's important is that people need to take some of these elements and apply them to their life.

00:37:38.000 And what I really believe is when I get better as an athlete is when I recognize whatever my biggest weakness is and that's what I focus on making my strength.

00:37:48.000 I call it selective cycling.

00:37:50.000 I work on this with a lot of my students.

00:37:52.000 I'll literally take the one thing that they do the worst and that's all I want them to do.

00:37:58.000 For almost a month, because a lot of psychology has shown that if you have a negative habit, it normally takes about 21 days to recreate a positive habit, right?

00:38:12.000 So you have to be able to take your weakness and mentally be tough enough as an athlete to be willing to make that your strength.

00:38:21.000 And I've had several things in my career that were my weakness that are now my strongest aspect.

00:38:30.000 Field archery was my biggest weakness.

00:38:32.000 Now it's my biggest strength.

00:38:34.000 What is the difference between field archery?

00:38:36.000 Well, it's not on flat ground.

00:38:38.000 You know, once you start changing angles, and once you start having to make shots in canyons, you have to learn wind, you have to learn trajectory, you have to learn cuts.

00:38:47.000 So field archery is, you have like a course that you have to run, and it's all outdoors in the woods.

00:38:53.000 Yep.

00:38:54.000 It would be outdoors.

00:38:55.000 It would be, you know, the really difficult field courses are like throughout like cliffs and mountainous areas to where, you know, you have shots where they're straight up way over your shoulder where you're aiming on, you know, 50 degree angles and then you're aiming down or somewhere I've even had to aim straight down between my legs.

00:39:16.000 Those types of things are extremely technical.

00:39:19.000 If you had golfers that had to play in really difficult terrain, obviously they have to start learning draws and fades and they have to start learning clubs that play differently in the wind.

00:39:31.000 It would be the same thing.

00:39:34.000 It pointed out, just like when we shoot at longer distances, like, I mean, you were shooting amazing at eight, were we at 80 yards?

00:39:43.000 Yeah.

00:39:43.000 On your rubber deer, your rubber elk, you call it.

00:39:46.000 I always laugh at the rubber.

00:39:49.000 It's, but, um...

00:39:51.000 You were shooting amazing and then you would have one shot where something wasn't right, but it would show up.

00:39:57.000 And that's what field archery did to me.

00:39:58.000 It really started to open up my weaknesses.

00:40:01.000 And for me as an athlete, I'm always so competitive that I want to know what I suck at.

00:40:08.000 Because I think if you're really going to master something, regardless of the craft...

00:40:13.000 You have to be so well-rounded.

00:40:16.000 And I mean, the UFC is that way.

00:40:17.000 Even as a spectator, I'm not a fight specialist by any means, but I've always loved watching the UFC. And it's funny how the people who won the early UFC versus how rounded you have to be now to win...

00:40:37.000 Yeah, it's a different world now.

00:40:41.000 Completely different world.

00:40:42.000 And you also, much like we were talking about before in the UFC, you have to be able to pretty much execute from both sides.

00:40:48.000 It's very rare that someone only has a good right kick.

00:40:51.000 You have to learn how to kick with the left side too.

00:40:53.000 But in jiu-jitsu, that exists as well.

00:40:55.000 There's a lot of guys that have a strong side.

00:40:57.000 They only like to pass to the left or they only like to pass to the right.

00:41:01.000 They only submit guys off their right arm.

00:41:03.000 It's real common to have a side where you're really good at it.

00:41:07.000 One thing you said the other day when we were sitting there talking, you were talking about setting up moves for jiu-jitsu and how evolving it is, how it continually evolves.

00:41:18.000 And all of a sudden, a new move will get invented.

00:41:21.000 And you'll be practicing that, and then someone just notices, like, wait, there's a big weakness right there.

00:41:29.000 Do this. 0.98

00:41:30.000 And we've kind of eliminated someone getting that move done on you, and then it's like, holy crap.

00:41:36.000 Well, so how do we actually combat that? 0.57

00:41:42.000 It's just a continual chess game.

00:41:45.000 Yeah, it really is.

00:41:46.000 And the body can move in so many different ways.

00:41:48.000 It's one of the more interesting aspects of jiu-jitsu is there are so many different ways the body can move.

00:41:53.000 So when two people are engaging each other, the possibilities of attacks and counterattacks are near infinite.

00:42:00.000 It's a spectacular example of an extreme discipline and something that It becomes, for a lot of people, it becomes a massive, massive obsession.

00:42:13.000 Did you see the Anthony Bourdain thing that he won a jiu-jitsu tournament?

00:42:16.000 Uh-uh.

00:42:17.000 Anthony Bourdain starts jiu-jitsu at 58 years old.

00:42:22.000 I think he had quit smoking.

00:42:25.000 He wasn't smoking anymore because he stopped smoking when his daughter was born, I think.

00:42:29.000 But still was hitting the booze.

00:42:31.000 Still wasn't eating healthy.

00:42:33.000 He was on statins for his blood pressure or cholesterol, I guess.

00:42:38.000 He just wasn't healthy.

00:42:41.000 Gets into jiu-jitsu because of his wife. 1.00

00:42:43.000 His wife is a maniac. 0.99

00:42:44.000 She loves jiu-jitsu. 0.99

00:42:46.000 Gets into it, and now he's obsessed.

00:42:47.000 Trains every day, often twice a day, and he just won a jiu-jitsu tournament.

00:42:51.000 Has a blue belt at, what is he, 59 or something like that?

00:42:54.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

00:42:55.000 Fucking incredible. 0.99

00:42:56.000 59-year-old Anthony Bourdain took home the gold at his first jiu-jitsu tournament. 1.00

00:43:00.000 I mean, get the fuck out of here. 0.93

00:43:02.000 That's awesome.

00:43:03.000 To me, as someone who loves jiu-jitsu, I'm just blown away.

00:43:06.000 I'm blown away.

00:43:07.000 I just love seeing a guy like him who is a madman at so many different things.

00:43:13.000 And...

00:43:14.000 Also, a guy who's an artist, and his art being culinary, being a chef.

00:43:21.000 I learned from watching his show that that's an art form.

00:43:25.000 I didn't really consider it before I watched No Reservations, his old show.

00:43:30.000 I watched him interact with all these cooks, and a light bulb went off.

00:43:35.000 I'm like, oh, cooking's an art!

00:43:37.000 Oh, heck yeah.

00:43:38.000 I never thought of it that way.

00:43:39.000 I thought of it as like, oh, that guy knows how to cook.

00:43:42.000 This guy makes some good this, and that guy cooks some good that.

00:43:45.000 But I didn't think of it in the same way I look at maybe a guy who's an amazing sculptor.

00:43:50.000 I didn't think about it that way.

00:43:51.000 And then I realized that when I watched his show, I was like, yeah, really, I never did.

00:43:55.000 I always just thought, oh, this guy's a good kick.

00:43:57.000 You know, this guy knows how to make sausages, or this guy's really good at lasagna or something.

00:44:01.000 You know, it didn't...

00:44:04.000 It didn't seem like an art.

00:44:05.000 So seeing him, a guy who highlighted that there is an art in cooking food, then become obsessed with this art of jujitsu.

00:44:15.000 Which I think in a lot of ways, like we were saying about archery, that there's parallels.

00:44:21.000 I mean, people think of kendo, which is a Japanese sword fighting art.

00:44:24.000 That's unquestionably a martial art.

00:44:26.000 Well, then so is archery.

00:44:28.000 I mean, if kendo's a martial art, so is archery.

00:44:30.000 100%.

00:44:30.000 Because archery involves a weapon.

00:44:34.000 But it's so much more than that, man.

00:44:36.000 It's so much more than that.

00:44:37.000 It's some...

00:44:38.000 Weird crazy moving meditation that I feel like when it goes well like yesterday when we shot really well and We shot tight groups at 80 yards.

00:44:50.000 After it's over, physically, you feel better.

00:44:55.000 You feel charged up.

00:44:57.000 You feel elevated.

00:44:58.000 You feel better than if you did nothing.

00:45:00.000 If you could take a drug that makes you feel the way you feel when you hit a perfect X at 80 yards, like that...

00:45:09.000 You would take that drug all day.

00:45:10.000 Oh yeah.

00:45:11.000 If that was a cigarette?

00:45:12.000 I'm on it.

00:45:12.000 I'm on it right now.

00:45:14.000 I'm friggin' high on bullseye. 0.97

00:45:16.000 High on bullseye. 0.93

00:45:17.000 You didn't get any? 1.00

00:45:19.000 I've been pounding that crap all morning, man. 0.99

00:45:22.000 Lit up right now. 0.99

00:45:23.000 My skin's tingly.

00:45:24.000 Yeah, it's a very strange, I guess, discipline.

00:45:28.000 A martial art discipline.

00:45:30.000 But I think almost labeling these things in any other way than just calling them what they mean.

00:45:35.000 It is archery.

00:45:36.000 When you put them in categories, when you categorize things as this is a sport or this is a hobby, it almost trivializes the benefits, the positive benefits of it.

00:45:46.000 It's funny that you say that because now I know I could never pull you away.

00:45:51.000 Because I love, as an athlete, to step away with perfection.

00:45:59.000 And you would shoot a group that was perfect, and I knew that we were close to being done for the day, and I'd be like, alright, let's end on that.

00:46:08.000 And you're like, no way, dude, I'm doing another one.

00:46:11.000 But then if you make one negative shot in that group, you were pissed again, which I can understand too, because I'm so competitive that way.

00:46:20.000 But I also love...

00:46:22.000 That feeling that you're talking about, it's awesome sometimes to have that.

00:46:27.000 And it's important.

00:46:28.000 And that's what I was trying to work with you on is it doesn't get better than what you just did.

00:46:35.000 You're on a high.

00:46:36.000 I want you to step away thinking about your trip all night so tomorrow you visualize it long enough.

00:46:46.000 The way I think is tomorrow you're more likely...

00:46:50.000 To be able to duplicate.

00:46:52.000 I don't ever like to go to bed on a negative.

00:46:57.000 Right.

00:46:58.000 So that's actually what I was trying to do.

00:47:03.000 You know, we're not good enough friends where I can be like, listen, give me your...

00:47:07.000 Well, I don't know.

00:47:07.000 I guess I did take some stuff away from you.

00:47:10.000 Some of the releases that I was using, he won't let me use.

00:47:13.000 Right.

00:47:13.000 I've hit them in your house.

00:47:16.000 Well, this is very geeky stuff.

00:47:17.000 So for people that are listening to this, they don't understand.

00:47:19.000 But because there's so many different aspects of archery, there's where you're standing, what your posture is, how you're focusing, what you're looking at, what you're concentrating on.

00:47:31.000 Because of that, there's There's a tendency to anticipate the shot and it becomes sort of overwhelming because you're managing all these different things.

00:47:41.000 So what a lot of people try to concentrate now in the world of archery is getting what you call a surprise shot, meaning that this is just for the people at home, obviously not for you.

00:47:51.000 Meaning that when you pull back, the thing that you're concentrating on is just focusing on the target.

00:47:59.000 All of your technique as far as keeping the bow balanced and level and keeping it on top, all that stuff is something you've already worked on.

00:48:08.000 All you're working on now is pulling through the shot.

00:48:10.000 So you don't think about executing the shot like, ready, go!

00:48:14.000 And when you think of that ready, go, that pressing that button...

00:48:17.000 You have a tendency or a possibility of punching it, of hitting it wrong, of tweaking and twisting.

00:48:23.000 And we talked about that today because in a lot of ways it's like a fight in that when a fighter trains for a fight, you're training for something that is going to be a moment that's like months away from now.

00:48:37.000 So all of this work and effort then comes to fruition in this one moment.

00:48:42.000 Fighter number one, are you ready?

00:48:43.000 Fighter number two, are you ready?

00:48:45.000 Fight! 0.99

00:48:45.000 Holy shit, here it is, it's happening. 0.99

00:48:47.000 But at least in a fight, you've got a few rounds. 0.99

00:48:52.000 You can kind of settle in after the first minute so you can relax and get into the groove of everything.

00:48:57.000 In archery, oftentimes, all that training and preparation, whether it's for a tournament or even more critically, if you're hunting, it comes down to that one moment.

00:49:08.000 And that moment sometimes can be completely overwhelming because that moment, although your practice has been constant and diligent, that moment is entirely alien.

00:49:19.000 This moment didn't exist during any of the practice.

00:49:23.000 There was never the elevated heart rate.

00:49:24.000 There's never the freak out.

00:49:25.000 There's never the massive consequences if you make an error.

00:49:28.000 Everything has to be in place.

00:49:30.000 And those things are what make a discipline so rewarding when you actually pull it off.

00:49:37.000 All those things.

00:49:39.000 Like knowing that there's so many different factors involved and then this alien moment.

00:49:45.000 So those factors involved.

00:49:46.000 All the discipline factors.

00:49:49.000 You have to drill them into a point where they become a part of you.

00:49:52.000 They become ingrained in your genetics.

00:49:55.000 They become a part of your DNA. So that in that one insane, heart-pounding moment, you can execute it flawlessly.

00:50:04.000 And the best way to do it, which I'm learning from you, is by figuring out how to do it with a surprise shot.

00:50:10.000 So that way you take out the anticipation aspect of it.

00:50:14.000 The less you think about it, the more likely it is for things to happen.

00:50:20.000 You have to be so focused on the process that the prize happens without your expectation.

00:50:27.000 The really interesting part about what I've learned as a competitive archer is...

00:50:35.000 It's the fastest buzz kill of any sport I've ever had.

00:50:40.000 And what I mean by that is there's times where you're standing on the line, you realize, okay, archer number one, one arrow.

00:50:51.000 Archer number two, one arrow.

00:50:52.000 Closest to center decides a gold medal match.

00:50:56.000 You literally let go and you're, you know, you're sitting there, you know, shitting pickles, your heart rate's beating out your neck, you know, you're trying not to, I actually had this, I've had this feeling go both ways, but you let that arrow go and you have so much adrenaline that you can barely manage it.

00:51:18.000 And then you shoot and you see the shadow of that arrow hit out of the gold to where you know you lost.

00:51:26.000 And it's instantly gone.

00:51:31.000 You're not nervous.

00:51:33.000 You're not sweating or shaking.

00:51:35.000 You just knew you blew it.

00:51:37.000 And it's wiped so fast.

00:51:41.000 It's really, really strange that the release of one product of art form...

00:51:50.000 You instantly know that you screwed up.

00:51:54.000 I've been that way as a hunter, too, where you get nervous and all of a sudden that shot happens.

00:52:01.000 For some people, they make the shot and then they get like that.

00:52:07.000 But sometimes you make that shot and it's amazing how fast it's just gone.

00:52:14.000 It's such a rewarding thing when you can take, you know, that ball of just emotion and just say, I got this.

00:52:25.000 And you freaking clamp down on it.

00:52:28.000 And then you see that arrow go into the gold.

00:52:33.000 And it's just like, it's such a reward.

00:52:36.000 Like for me, that's what, you know, I think for you and your mentality and me and mine, You get so much reward for that that, for me, I never really worried about a trophy or a medal.

00:52:48.000 Or, you know, for that matter, the checks never really mattered either.

00:52:51.000 When I was younger, I needed them.

00:52:54.000 But, you know, I just came to the realization that, you know, every trophy I have at home is tarnished.

00:53:01.000 You know, they need cleaning.

00:53:02.000 You know, they just wilt away.

00:53:04.000 But what imprints I have in my mind of moments...

00:53:09.000 That's what pulls me through as a person, and it's a positive aura that I can reflect on.

00:53:17.000 I know that what's satisfying to me, and I feel so content with life, is these small little goals and accomplishments that I've had where I've controlled myself, not the situation.

00:53:31.000 I was in a gold medal match in Poland, and They had the gold medal match in the square of the main town.

00:53:41.000 You were shooting from the beach into the main square of the town.

00:53:46.000 And our match was first.

00:53:48.000 And I was the first archer.

00:53:49.000 So I stepped up.

00:53:50.000 We were in a team round.

00:53:52.000 And there were so many people.

00:53:54.000 I raised my bow.

00:53:56.000 I pulled back.

00:53:57.000 I was going into my shot.

00:53:59.000 And as I'm looking through my scope at the target...

00:54:04.000 About four people's heads come like looking in like this.

00:54:10.000 Because there were people lined all the way down.

00:54:13.000 And this is 70 meters.

00:54:15.000 So everyone's evidently was shuffling to try to get to see the archer.

00:54:20.000 Not realizing, like, okay, there's an arrow going over your head.

00:54:24.000 So I'm going from, like, mentally having a sight picture that I'm not nervous about to all of a sudden thinking, if I shoot someone in the face, I don't want to spend the rest of my life in a Polish prison. 1.00

00:54:37.000 Didn't you have someone like cleaning the line, getting the people to back up?

00:54:40.000 No, it was just like, I don't think they really thought that people were going to come in.

00:54:44.000 And I remember I drew back and I was so, I mean, you've seen me shoot in my element.

00:54:48.000 It's very smooth.

00:54:50.000 So then all of a sudden there was like, my front arm was like, you know, I got into that tremor mode.

00:54:56.000 Like, you know, what you have when the anxiety sets in.

00:55:00.000 And I remember I shot and they called 10 and I came off the line and my teammate that was with me goes, What the hell, dude?

00:55:10.000 Why are you shaking so bad?

00:55:11.000 He's like, what the hell, dude? 0.51

00:55:12.000 You almost missed. 0.98

00:55:13.000 What's up with you?

00:55:14.000 Like, as we're passing one another, and I go, you'll see. 0.95

00:55:18.000 And he freaking pulls back, and he goes, what the F? So that next round, I'm like, get freaking people out of the way.

00:55:29.000 Like, I had people's faces in my scope.

00:55:31.000 That's a YouTube video waiting to happen.

00:55:34.000 Somebody catching one to the temple, leaning into the path. 0.96

00:55:37.000 That's just so ridiculous.

00:55:38.000 You don't want one to the temple. 0.96

00:55:40.000 And if you don't know, like when you're looking through a site of an archer, a bow, archery sites are very small.

00:55:47.000 So you're looking at a very narrow window.

00:55:50.000 So for these people to actually be in your site, they had to be extremely close to the path of the arrow.

00:55:56.000 Well, the arrow was arcing over their melon.

00:55:58.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:56:01.000 Because they were between me and the target.

00:56:04.000 That's so crazy, though.

00:56:05.000 It was very crazy. 1.00

00:56:07.000 That's so dumb. 1.00

00:56:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:56:08.000 I was like, what is up with this? 1.00

00:56:11.000 If they did what I did at the pool today.

00:56:12.000 Doink.

00:56:14.000 How easy is that?

00:56:15.000 It's easy when you're concentrating all the other things.

00:56:18.000 It weirds me out.

00:56:19.000 I've been at places where I'm practicing and you're shooting and then someone else is at this club and you go down to pull your arrow and then all of a sudden you're sitting there pulling arrows and you're like, yo, what's up?

00:56:32.000 Oh, God.

00:56:33.000 Oh, I'm aiming at that other target.

00:56:35.000 It's like, okay, well, yeah, you know how many Joe Rogan pool shots I've seen in my target?

00:56:41.000 I want to be on the receiving end of that.

00:56:43.000 It certainly can happen.

00:56:44.000 You know, what you've got set up is really cool.

00:56:47.000 That giant, long range at your house.

00:56:50.000 So you could practice in your yard like that.

00:56:53.000 There's a video that you put up.

00:56:54.000 John set up my bow.

00:56:56.000 I got this bow from Hoyt.

00:56:58.000 John set it up perfect, and he took these crazy shots, and one of them he took was 122 yards. 0.75

00:57:05.000 And to be able to do that and to have this big open space like that in your yard has got to be fucking awesome.

00:57:12.000 It's way cool.

00:57:13.000 Yeah, actually, when we bought my house, my wife Sharon... 0.58

00:57:19.000 She knew that we wanted to move out to a farm because before I moved to Iowa so I could get more deer tags.

00:57:27.000 You laugh about that.

00:57:28.000 It's hilarious. 0.99

00:57:28.000 Who the fuck moves to a state so they can get more deer tags? 0.99

00:57:33.000 You can get an extra deer tag. 1.00

00:57:35.000 Who doesn't?

00:57:36.000 I'll guarantee you right now, if Cam Haynes could get two elk tags if he crossed the state line, I'll guarantee you he would do it.

00:57:43.000 Oh, he loves Oregon.

00:57:44.000 He travels a lot anyway.

00:57:46.000 See, I get three buck tags, actually, so I bet you three.

00:57:49.000 You have a different situation, though.

00:57:51.000 Like, whitetail hunting in Iowa is just so different, and plus it's...

00:57:55.000 For folks who aren't aware, it's like a tradition.

00:58:00.000 It's an Americana thing.

00:58:03.000 Whitetail hunting is probably the biggest hunting pastime in America.

00:58:10.000 More people hunt whitetails.

00:58:11.000 More people spend more time hunting whitetails.

00:58:13.000 Than anything.

00:58:14.000 And it's also, like, probably some of the best meat you're ever going to eat in your life.

00:58:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:20.000 I've been crushing mine.

00:58:22.000 I mean, yeah.

00:58:24.000 I love...

00:58:25.000 That's why I was so surprised when you said you didn't see, like, cooking as an art.

00:58:30.000 I actually...

00:58:31.000 When I go someplace nice, I... I take pictures of my food because, to me, I see it that way.

00:58:39.000 Actually, I cooked some back straps the other night.

00:58:43.000 I cooked some back straps.

00:58:45.000 I cooked some vegetables in a coconut oil or something.

00:58:50.000 Then I sliced through that tenderloin and folded them all down and then stacked my little half strap up and leaned them against there.

00:58:59.000 I was just looking at it like...

00:59:02.000 Why would people not want to do this?

00:59:04.000 Why would people not want to be able to do this for themselves?

00:59:08.000 To make a nice meal.

00:59:08.000 Yeah, to make a nice meal.

00:59:10.000 And obviously it's something that is a reward of hard work and dedication that I've put in through the year.

00:59:18.000 One saying that I made on my TV show during the first few seasons is...

00:59:25.000 I'm in target archer to become a better hunter, and I'm a better hunter because I'm a target archer.

00:59:30.000 I got into professional archery 100% because I wanted to be more proficient and ethical knowing that I was a bow hunter.

00:59:43.000 And I kind of had the, it was actually the same type of feeling.

00:59:46.000 I was, I was only 10, but it, or I mean, when I started competing, I started hunting when I was 10. So there was like six or seven years there where I wasn't competing.

00:59:57.000 But I remember having one hunt where I felt so much anxiety and I like blew a shot and I just completely missed and I couldn't explain why.

01:00:07.000 And it was at that moment that I'm like, you know what, if I'm going to do this, I need to be able to be.

01:00:13.000 Ethical at it. 0.95

01:00:15.000 So at that point, I was kind of looking for a way to become better.

01:00:21.000 And I was actually, it was right before I was supposed to leave for my first football camps for college, I was driving down a road and there was a sign on the road that said, 3D archery shoot.

01:00:35.000 And it was just an arrow pointing down.

01:00:37.000 And I pulled in.

01:00:38.000 I had like my hunting bow in the back of my truck, you know, kind of drive in.

01:00:43.000 And I see all these people like shooting on this practice range.

01:00:46.000 And then I see like groups of four going into this course to like shoot.

01:00:50.000 And it was all foam animal targets with scoring rings on them.

01:00:55.000 And you step up to the line.

01:00:57.000 You look at the target.

01:00:58.000 You try to figure out how far it is without having a range finder.

01:01:03.000 And then you make a shot.

01:01:05.000 And depending on, you know, all the scoring is within the ethical kill zone of an animal.

01:01:11.000 So after, I think it was 15 targets.

01:01:16.000 It was a 40-target course.

01:01:18.000 After 15 targets, I didn't have a single arrow left in my quiver.

01:01:23.000 I'd lost all of them.

01:01:24.000 And it was like a wake-up call.

01:01:26.000 It was the first time...

01:01:29.000 That I had ever felt defeated at something.

01:01:31.000 It was the first time that I had a very clear wake-up call of, maybe you're not good enough to be doing this, you know?

01:01:42.000 And for me, that was a trigger.

01:01:44.000 As a competitor, I think the standout athletes in any sport are the ones that take those moments very personal.

01:01:54.000 And change a direction to make it their best.

01:01:59.000 Or either realize I'm either going to be good at this or I need to find something else to be good at, you know, to focus all your energy to.

01:02:09.000 One thing led to another.

01:02:10.000 I went to an archery shop where I saw a lot of guys with like shirts on that said like the name of a shop.

01:02:16.000 So I knew they were like kind of local shooters for representing this store.

01:02:21.000 So the next day I was in that store and I said, hey, I want to get better.

01:02:26.000 I know a lot of guys here were shooting and a lot of those guys were in the range.

01:02:31.000 And I just started asking questions.

01:02:32.000 A lot of people didn't want to help, which is why I really want to help the archery world.

01:02:38.000 It's my way of giving back.

01:02:39.000 Because there were people that didn't want to help me.

01:02:42.000 But then I remember a guy came in and said, are my arrows done?

01:02:47.000 And the guy behind the counter said, let me check in the back.

01:02:50.000 And he kind of walked past me and he goes, come here, kid.

01:02:53.000 Because I had hung out in that store for about four days just kind of watching and looking around.

01:02:58.000 I didn't really have any importance.

01:03:00.000 so he takes me in the back room and he says you got to build these guys arrows for me because i forgot to do them and i said i don't know how to build arrows and he goes okay you take this feather you put in this clamp put glue right down this feather like this put the arrow in this jig you push down on it then you turn the wheel go to the next arrow after you get to the end Take the clamp off,

01:03:24.000 put another feather in.

01:03:25.000 He literally gave me the thing.

01:03:27.000 I was in there trying to figure out how to do this.

01:03:30.000 You didn't even work there?

01:03:31.000 No.

01:03:31.000 I was there literally stalking people in the range.

01:03:35.000 I was the weird guy in the corner with the hunting bow that was probably my dad's hand-me-down.

01:03:40.000 I'm stalking all the shooters.

01:03:43.000 About an hour later, I came out with this guy's arrows that he probably paid $100 for and some snot-nosed kid that had never even built them built them for the guy.

01:03:53.000 And so he goes, alright, good job.

01:03:56.000 And he goes, here, now go do these.

01:03:58.000 And two weeks later, I remember telling my dad, hey, I think I'm not going to do the football thing.

01:04:07.000 And he's like, what do you mean?

01:04:09.000 And I said...

01:04:10.000 I got offered a job at this archery shop.

01:04:13.000 I'm going to do it.

01:04:14.000 And my dad's like, so you're not going to play college football and get an education?

01:04:20.000 You're going to work at an archery shop?

01:04:21.000 He goes, what's this archery shop paying?

01:04:23.000 I said, $4.10 an hour.

01:04:28.000 Yeah, that was...

01:04:29.000 My dad's been so good. 1.00

01:04:31.000 Both my parents have been so supportive on everything in life, but that was the one time where he looked me in the face and just said, this is a really stupid decision. 0.97

01:04:42.000 But, hey, I mean, you know, it's... 0.52

01:04:44.000 I just think it's a great story because it shows that if someone's willing to commit to a dream, then...

01:04:54.000 As long as you're able to put in the work and stay focused on it, There's so many people that make businesses out of dreams or careers out of sports that you would never even consider.

01:05:07.000 Well, just think of that story.

01:05:08.000 Now you're traveling all over the world coaching international teams and archery.

01:05:13.000 I mean, it's a crazy story if you really stop and think about it.

01:05:17.000 It's really weird.

01:05:19.000 I have some friends that are very successful according to the business world.

01:05:27.000 And there's times where I'm with those people and then they're introducing me to like a senator or governor.

01:05:36.000 And then they're like, well, John, you know, it's like, hey, this is my personal friend, John.

01:05:42.000 And I'm, you know, with the president of the university or something.

01:05:46.000 And they're like, so, John, what do you do?

01:05:49.000 And it's one of these, you want to be able to say, oh, I have an MBA. Or, you know, yeah, I do rocket science stuff.

01:05:56.000 But it's like, I'm an archer.

01:05:59.000 Yeah, I shoot a bow for a living.

01:06:01.000 And they're just like...

01:06:02.000 Really?

01:06:03.000 I'm a slingshot master.

01:06:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:06:05.000 But then you start explaining what you're actually doing and you realize it's a really big world and there's such great people there.

01:06:19.000 It's really nice to be able to say I don't have any regrets in life because...

01:06:25.000 I'm in an industry that I love.

01:06:27.000 I'm doing something that I really, really love.

01:06:30.000 And there's such good people around it.

01:06:33.000 And all you have to do is get up every morning when the alarm goes off.

01:06:38.000 Mine goes off pretty early.

01:06:40.000 And then just put in the work.

01:06:43.000 And I just think it's so cool to know that there's Opportunity like that.

01:06:49.000 There's a different path that maybe perhaps other people hadn't considered.

01:06:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:53.000 Yeah.

01:06:53.000 And just, you know, it's such a...

01:06:57.000 Great country to live in, too, here in the States, because you can take something that no one really might not believe in but yourself, and if you apply the work to it, you can make it happen.

01:07:07.000 And in traveling through all the different parts of the world that I've traveled, I've gone to places where you just, you know, you really wish you could give some of those people a chance, because you can tell that they have such heart and such desire,

01:07:22.000 but they don't have opportunity.

01:07:25.000 That's sad.

01:07:26.000 Like to me, that's really sad that there's not opportunity everywhere.

01:07:31.000 And then you come here and you see someone that has potential or opportunity, but they're lazy and they won't put in the work.

01:07:41.000 Yeah, they don't have the desperation.

01:07:43.000 They don't have the desire.

01:07:45.000 They don't have the drive.

01:07:46.000 You know, I think a lot of times for some people, when they're young, it's not enforced early on that when you work hard at something, it's really rewarding when it's over.

01:07:57.000 And it's difficult to work hard at something. 0.98

01:07:59.000 It's difficult to get your ass out of bed. 0.98

01:08:00.000 It's difficult to force yourself to get up off the couch. 1.00

01:08:03.000 It's difficult.

01:08:04.000 But once you do it, it's always good.

01:08:06.000 It always feels good.

01:08:08.000 And even if you do something and it doesn't work out well, like even if you're practicing archery and the shots don't go well, you're involved in the discipline and it's giving you something to concentrate on.

01:08:18.000 And that energy and momentum will translate to the rest of your life.

01:08:22.000 If you're working to improve at something, whether it's archery or...

01:08:26.000 Jiu-jitsu or anything.

01:08:27.000 When you're working to improve on it, I firmly believe that that motivation and that momentum of improvement applies to the rest of your life.

01:08:37.000 And it's one of the things that people love about any particular discipline is the aspects of it and the qualities of it that sort of transfer onto your everyday life.

01:08:48.000 You know, it's weird because until you and I communicated some on the phone, when I worked for an archery company and I was just a sales guy making calls, I never got to see faces.

01:09:00.000 All I ever heard was voices.

01:09:01.000 So voices for me are always triggers because for 10 years I was just making calls.

01:09:07.000 When you and I first talked on the phone and I heard your voice directly from my device, I actually realized, I haven't even told you this, but when I work out or when I shoot,

01:09:23.000 and a lot of times when I'm just working in my building, I've comprised Like, about five hours of an MP3 that's nothing but motivational sayings that I've heard someone say.

01:09:39.000 Whether it's...

01:09:40.000 And that's all I play.

01:09:43.000 It's my ambient sound.

01:09:44.000 And you were on there twice about just almost like what you just talked about.

01:09:53.000 Just a positive...

01:09:55.000 It was just a positive rant that you had about...

01:09:59.000 All people have to do is make a step in a direction.

01:10:02.000 You might look in the mirror one time and you don't like what's there, but you have the opportunity to turn around and go a different way.

01:10:11.000 One thing that I really try to drive to people, because there's times you talk to someone and you know that they're down in the dumps.

01:10:21.000 One thing I tell people is, You know, motivation gets you going.

01:10:27.000 Commitment keeps you going.

01:10:30.000 You know, it's no different than the New Year's resolution.

01:10:34.000 I freaking hate that.

01:10:35.000 I hate if there's any time I don't want to go to the gym, it's two weeks after New Year's.

01:10:42.000 Because it's like this swarm of people.

01:10:46.000 And to me, there's people in there who are like, you know what?

01:10:50.000 Good for them.

01:10:52.000 They're not in shape.

01:10:54.000 Good for them to come here.

01:10:56.000 But then it's so disappointing when it's like two days they're gone.

01:11:02.000 Well, it's so common, too.

01:11:04.000 Yep, yep.

01:11:05.000 And if you're at that stage and you're at the point where you're like, you know what, I want to change myself physically.

01:11:12.000 It's funny how many people won't even...

01:11:17.000 It's funny how many people are going to the gym to work out, but they'll circle the gym parking lot like 10 times.

01:11:25.000 Because they don't want to walk far.

01:11:27.000 They want the first row to open up.

01:11:30.000 Park as far away from the front door as you can and warm up by walking in.

01:11:35.000 Skip.

01:11:36.000 Yeah, skip to the loo.

01:11:38.000 Well, I think a lot of people need a life coach.

01:11:42.000 I think this is one of the conclusions that I'm coming to in life.

01:11:47.000 Is that people need to either find a way to motivate themselves through all the different stuff that's available online.

01:11:55.000 There's a million different websites and Instagram pages and lots of YouTube videos that show some motivation and they can help you.

01:12:02.000 But human beings learn from each other and I think most of the cultures in the past Not trying to glorify the past and say they had it nailed and we don't but most of them were in tighter knit groups and they Emulated the behavior and the patterns of the successful members of that group the leaders of that tribe that's where Traditions came from.

01:12:26.000 That's where skills were passed on and that's where ethics and that's where certain philosophies were passed down from generation to generation.

01:12:35.000 These were the most beneficial to the community as a whole, to the individual, to the culture, whatever it is.

01:12:43.000 This world that we're living in today, we're almost in a lot of ways Like you were saying, people with so much opportunity but too lazy.

01:12:54.000 We're almost, in a lot of ways, just lacking in a pattern, a correct pattern, and a coach or a mentor or a person who is...

01:13:06.000 Ahead of you, but honest.

01:13:08.000 Like, ahead of you as far as, like, maybe been alive longer, or maybe had more experiences, but very honest about the difference between you and them.

01:13:16.000 Because a lot of people think that you see something, like, we were talking about today, this is a ridiculous...

01:13:24.000 When I was on MTV, we were talking about Downtown Julie Brown.

01:13:28.000 Yeah, because I was singing on the line.

01:13:30.000 And I remember thinking, while you were saying that, you go Downtown Julie Brown was probably on MTV back when you were on MTV. And I was like, yeah, but I was a peon.

01:13:41.000 She wouldn't know who I was.

01:13:42.000 I was on...

01:13:43.000 One of, you know, X amount of comedians on the MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour.

01:13:47.000 Like, I probably couldn't even talk to her, say hi to her.

01:13:50.000 And then I remember thinking, like, I put myself in that state of mind that I had back when I was 23 or whatever I was when I was on that show, and I felt, like, insignificant.

01:14:01.000 And like, whoa, that's downtown Julie Brown.

01:14:04.000 And then I've realized like now that that's nonsense.

01:14:07.000 Like now I know that's nonsense.

01:14:09.000 But in my head, thinking about that time, I felt like I did when I was 23. Yeah, I could see it.

01:14:17.000 You said it.

01:14:18.000 That was your first reply.

01:14:19.000 You're like, yeah, I was just a peon then.

01:14:21.000 And then all of a sudden, I think once you thought about first few seconds, you're like, you know what?

01:14:26.000 F that. 0.99

01:14:26.000 Well, it's so ridiculous. 0.99

01:14:28.000 It's so ridiculous. 0.99

01:14:29.000 But I did think that way back then. 0.97

01:14:31.000 I think a lot of other people think that way now.

01:14:34.000 And whether it's someone who's an aspiring archer that looks at your accomplishments and then looks at you back when you were this stalker kid hanging around a bow shop in comparison to how they are.

01:14:44.000 And I think that's a big help to people, to hear a story like that.

01:14:50.000 And to know that now you travel all over the world and you coach international teams and To see someone admit that I think is very important. 0.96

01:15:00.000 To see someone discuss that I think is very important to a lot of us because most people don't have fucking mentors.

01:15:08.000 And most people aren't even involved in a discipline that tests them in that manner. 0.83

01:15:13.000 A lot of people are involved in education, right?

01:15:16.000 You go through high school.

01:15:17.000 You go to college.

01:15:17.000 You get a degree.

01:15:18.000 You're studying.

01:15:19.000 You're practicing.

01:15:19.000 But how much of that, what you're doing, has the aspects of the obsession with a discipline like archery or like jujitsu or something along those lines?

01:15:29.000 You're not getting the same intensity and focus.

01:15:32.000 You're reluctant to do the work.

01:15:34.000 You're doing it because you have to, because you've got to get a degree, because you've got to get a job, because you don't want to be a loser.

01:15:39.000 And so you're pursuing these things with a lack of passion.

01:15:42.000 And then you enter into the workforce.

01:15:44.000 Hopefully you're doing what you love.

01:15:46.000 Most of the time people are not.

01:15:48.000 Most of the time people are doing what they think is a good job that they can get by with.

01:15:51.000 And so they're committed to this path of not being excited, not being obsessed, and then not challenging themselves, and not rising above, and not gathering up some of the possible lessons that you can.

01:16:05.000 And it could be anything.

01:16:07.000 It could be anything.

01:16:09.000 If you want to make knives, if you love making jackets, if you like painting, there's no one particular thing that it should be for you.

01:16:18.000 You just have to find out whatever starts that spark in you.

01:16:22.000 For you, it was archery.

01:16:23.000 For me, it was stand-up comedy.

01:16:25.000 Or martial arts.

01:16:27.000 It could really be anything.

01:16:28.000 But I think we need things like that. 0.95

01:16:31.000 If people don't have things like that, if they just work and then they go home and they watch TV and they go home and they watch TV, you're not fucking living life at level 10. You're not going to hit it. 0.89

01:16:43.000 You're never going to feel that.

01:16:44.000 And I'm not saying you're going to be at level 10 every day, but there's going to be some moments, like when you were talking about being on the line, two archers, this is for one shot for the gold medal, and you're like, ah!

01:16:57.000 That feeling, those feelings are integral to being a human being.

01:17:04.000 The feelings of being challenged and of learning what you're capable of and what you're not capable of through those challenges.

01:17:11.000 Absolutely.

01:17:12.000 And the thing is, too...

01:17:13.000 You have to be able, when you've made that decision, the next thing that you should come to terms with is say, you know what, I'm going to push myself further than I've ever pushed myself.

01:17:25.000 And I know dang good and well there's going to be a block.

01:17:29.000 There's going to be resistance.

01:17:30.000 I heard in a podcast from you long ago, you talked about the book, The War of Art.

01:17:36.000 I bought it.

01:17:37.000 Steven Pressfield.

01:17:50.000 There is going to be a point where you're not going to like this.

01:17:54.000 And you need to know right now that we're going to push through it.

01:17:57.000 So a lot of times when people make that determination and that decision in life of, you know what, I'm going to go to the gym.

01:18:04.000 I'm going to get ready.

01:18:06.000 You need to also think, you know what, there's going to be, I'm going to have a voice in my head that's going to tell me this is too hard and I'm going to have a point of resistance.

01:18:15.000 But I'm telling myself right now when I get that, That's my opportunity to go further than I've ever had in the past.

01:18:22.000 I know right now that when I get to that, I am pushing through it.

01:18:28.000 If you're only focused on one particular goal and not seeing the obvious distractions or things that you know are going to be in that path and mentally build Build up yourself to know when I get to that resistance,

01:18:45.000 I'm driving through.

01:18:47.000 You know, I listened to that podcast with Steve-O and he talked about he knew he was ready to beat his habits.

01:18:55.000 And when he was in there and they're like telling him that he should be going, he's like, no, I want like...

01:19:04.000 He probably knew deep down inside that if he left, it was gonna be an opportunity for him to fail.

01:19:10.000 So he had already made up his mind that he was going through that.

01:19:15.000 And so many people in life Just don't push that one time and then they never really see how far they can go.

01:19:26.000 One time I heard Les Brown say, would you rather go through life aiming too high and miss or aiming too low and hit?

01:19:41.000 I mean, I would rather aim high and And fall short and still be further ahead than aiming too low and hitting exactly a low goal.

01:19:51.000 You know, I think you have to be willing to fail and get good at it.

01:19:58.000 I lost way more tournaments than I've ever won.

01:20:01.000 And some of the people that, like, question why I'm at, where I'm at in archery, they're like, well, you never won that much.

01:20:08.000 You know what?

01:20:08.000 I'm probably lost more than anybody that's good.

01:20:11.000 But I dang sure know that it made me a better person.

01:20:15.000 And when I lost, I was at the tournament the next week, making sure that I worked on whatever it was that caused me to lose.

01:20:23.000 I remember a guy one time saying, you haven't really figured out how to win yet.

01:20:32.000 And that's critical for an athlete.

01:20:34.000 Well, it's critical that moment that happens in any competition where you're worried about the event, you're worried about the outcome, and that worry can overwhelm your abilities.

01:20:46.000 Yep.

01:20:47.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:20:47.000 And when you get to that point, you have to be willing to dig deep down and say, you know what?

01:20:55.000 I'm going to go.

01:21:06.000 Then there probably wouldn't be any sense of inner accomplishment to it.

01:21:11.000 You've literally done everything you can to get to that moment.

01:21:14.000 That's a defining moment.

01:21:16.000 So which way are you gonna go?

01:21:18.000 You know, then you have a decision to make.

01:21:20.000 And for me, my victories were so much sweeter Because I had failed a lot before that.

01:21:29.000 And it got to the point where I remember being in a match one time, and I had taken like several second-thirds leading up to that.

01:21:37.000 And I remember getting there, and I just, I closed my eyes on that last arrow, and I just, I'm like, I'm freaking sick of blowing it.

01:21:47.000 Screw that.

01:21:49.000 I'm not doing it again.

01:21:51.000 I'm going to make a good shot.

01:21:53.000 Sounds like a Rocky movie.

01:21:54.000 Yeah.

01:21:56.000 Yeah, keep going.

01:21:57.000 And then so I just closed my eyes and made the shot.

01:22:03.000 And then when I made it, the victory seemed so much sweeter because I had pushed through adversity to get there.

01:22:10.000 You know, I think that's...

01:22:13.000 That's what I love about archery, is that one day you're so good, and then the next day you see flaws and you see mistakes.

01:22:20.000 Well, it's a long rabbit hole, too.

01:22:22.000 That's the weirdest thing about archery.

01:22:24.000 You wouldn't think it's such a long rabbit hole.

01:22:26.000 There's so much to learn and so many different places to go.

01:22:29.000 And there's so many people that you watch TV. I watch hunting shows, much to the chagrin of my family.

01:22:36.000 I think it's hilarious.

01:22:37.000 But some of them are so bad.

01:22:40.000 They're such bad production.

01:22:42.000 Like, if you want to learn bad television, like, say, if you're a person out there that's aspiring to do a TV show, there's some hunting shows out there that look like they were made by blind people that were drunk. 0.98

01:22:55.000 And the animals, like, especially the archery shows, they fucking miss more than they hit them.

01:23:01.000 I mean, if someone from, like... 0.99

01:23:04.000 If someone wanted to make an argument against the ethical use of archery for hunting, all they need to do is watch some of those fucking shows. 0.97

01:23:14.000 But I think it's a difficult thing to do, and some people kind of half-ass it. 0.99

01:23:20.000 And some of those people that do half-ass it, they're on television.

01:23:23.000 Well, and that brings up a really good point, because I know a lot of people that probably are listening that Either know myself or know that you're a hunting advocate and a conservationist like myself.

01:23:35.000 We owe it to ourselves as a hunting community to realize that there's a big opposition pushing back.

01:23:45.000 And we have a responsibility to represent ourselves ethically and also appreciate other people's feelings and appreciate that there are people that might not like it.

01:24:00.000 And you really have an opportunity to either Do something that's going to really piss them off, or if you're going to maybe do something to where it'll at least let them keep an open mind.

01:24:12.000 Well, the best way to do that, I think, is have conversations about it.

01:24:15.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:16.000 I mean, I can't tell you how many Facebook messages and Twitter messages I've gotten from people that have told me that they had a particular view, a negative view about hunting.

01:24:24.000 Until they listen to, like, maybe a podcast with Steve Rinella or Cameron Haynes or Jim Shockey.

01:24:29.000 And they realize, like, oh, this is not what I think it is.

01:24:33.000 Not only is it not what I think it is, you must do something to control these animal populations.

01:24:40.000 And the one thing, I've said this before, but I'm going to say it again.

01:24:42.000 To anybody that thinks there's no reason to ever kill wild animals, I have two words for you. 0.98

01:24:49.000 Feral pigs. 1.00

01:24:51.000 You better do something, because if you don't do something, they will fucking overwhelm the earth. 0.99

01:24:57.000 But what about people, man? 0.93

01:24:59.000 People are overwhelming the earth, too, man.

01:25:02.000 Yeah, I like people. 1.00

01:25:03.000 You can have sex with them. 1.00

01:25:04.000 You can talk to them. 1.00

01:25:05.000 You can go to the movies with them.

01:25:06.000 They make cars.

01:25:07.000 I'm a big fan of people.

01:25:09.000 Except people that make parking lots.

01:25:11.000 Yeah, they're making some narrow parking lots in California.

01:25:27.000 Someone finally fired those people and then they started designing parking lots.

01:25:31.000 Because freaking you can't park your junk in anything anymore.

01:25:35.000 They never have an obvious way to get to the strip mall that's right next door. 0.99

01:25:40.000 They make you exit the freaking Pac-Man exit where you have to go around all the ghosts and shit to finally get to the one way to get out. 0.92

01:25:48.000 And then turn and go down to get into the next one. 0.96

01:25:50.000 Well, they definitely are trying to shove too many spots in places.

01:25:54.000 Like, I was somewhere recently, oh, Santa Barbara, where it's real nice, but there's not that many people.

01:26:00.000 And one of the things that I noticed when I was there, I was like, look how big the parking spots are.

01:26:04.000 They're nice and wide.

01:26:05.000 Because they're not overwhelmed by the same amount of people.

01:26:09.000 There's only like 100,000 people in all of Santa Barbara.

01:26:12.000 It's like an easier way to get around down there.

01:26:15.000 Yeah, I like that. 1.00

01:26:16.000 Fuck yeah, man. 1.00

01:26:17.000 There's too many goddamn people. 1.00

01:26:18.000 Yeah, I don't want a smart car. 0.99

01:26:19.000 Jamie, we're moving.

01:26:19.000 You ready to move?

01:26:20.000 Thumbs up from Jamie.

01:26:22.000 What's that?

01:26:22.000 We're moving.

01:26:23.000 Santa Barbara. 1.00

01:26:24.000 Fuck it! 1.00

01:26:24.000 Let's do that. 1.00

01:26:27.000 You need a person like...

01:26:29.000 You need a full-time range manager.

01:26:32.000 They need to build a range.

01:26:33.000 That's the next step.

01:26:34.000 If I get deeper and deeper with this, I'm going to open up an archery shop.

01:26:37.000 I think so, for sure.

01:26:38.000 I think an archery school would be the way to go, honestly.

01:26:42.000 I really think that there are a lot of different martial arts schools, and I've been involved in a bunch of them, and I think that teaching martial arts is gigantic, but one of the things that's a problem with archery, and most particularly with bow hunting, is the learning curve is extremely steep,

01:26:57.000 and it's not obvious at all as to where to start.

01:27:00.000 The learning curve to start archery is just go to an archery store.

01:27:04.000 Go to a shop.

01:27:06.000 But, I mean, I've had experience with shops that didn't know what they were doing.

01:27:09.000 And I went there and I got bad advice from them.

01:27:11.000 And I saw people that really didn't exactly know what they were doing.

01:27:14.000 And they were telling me, oh, you don't need that.

01:27:16.000 Oh, you don't need this.

01:27:17.000 And there's so many people out there that probably would be interested in archery.

01:27:25.000 And I know there's a lot of people that are interested in hunting as well.

01:27:28.000 They just don't know where to start.

01:27:29.000 And I think having classes in a shop is probably a really good idea and probably something I'm going to get into in the future.

01:27:38.000 Well, I want to see that.

01:27:39.000 Yeah, no, I would love to.

01:27:40.000 I'm coming to your grand opening.

01:27:41.000 I'm coming to your grand opening.

01:27:42.000 All right, man, you're in.

01:27:43.000 But I would have to most certainly have people that were there that were really good that could teach classes and teach people how to do it.

01:27:52.000 You know, like, you were showing me the video of your son hunting alligators.

01:27:55.000 Yep.

01:27:56.000 And I said it right as you were saying.

01:27:58.000 I was like, look at his form!

01:28:00.000 Your kid is perfect form, like a world champion archer.

01:28:04.000 The way he's got his posture, the way he released.

01:28:08.000 And when we were watching that, I was thinking, well, here's a kid that's learned from the beginning how to do it correctly.

01:28:16.000 So when you look at him as opposed to...

01:28:19.000 That picture that you sent me of the archer that's on television that has an arrow that he's pulling back, his string is deep tucked into his face, where for sure when you're pulling your string back and it's digging into your face, the pressure of your face on that string is going to change the path of the arrow.

01:28:36.000 You're never supposed to dig it into your face like this guy has it.

01:28:39.000 Then you look down, his arrow is not even attached to the string.

01:28:43.000 It's like hanging off and he doesn't even know it. 0.98

01:28:47.000 And this guy's on television, and that fucking picture was used for an ad. 0.98

01:28:51.000 The picture was on an ad, which means they took the picture, somebody looked at it, and they were so careless that they went, yep, good enough! 0.99

01:28:59.000 Keep going!

01:29:00.000 We got it!

01:29:01.000 Nailed it! 0.99

01:29:02.000 And they took that, and they put it on fucking television, or they put it in a magazine or what have you. 0.98

01:29:07.000 But when you see someone who started from the beginning, like your son, with perfect form, how old was he in that? 0.98

01:29:12.000 Like 10?

01:29:13.000 Yeah, he started when he was nine.

01:29:15.000 So in that picture, with that video with the alligator, he was 10. When you see that, as opposed to someone who's been doing it wrong their whole life, you realize the importance of original technique, like having it, like your original lessons, the first lessons you get,

01:29:30.000 imprinting correctly.

01:29:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:32.000 And that's a big part of what I'm doing.

01:29:35.000 Can I plug the... 1.00

01:29:37.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:29:37.000 Well, your show, which is called Knock On TV, it's on the Sportsman's Channel. 1.00

01:29:43.000 Yeah, it's on the Sportsman's Channel.

01:29:45.000 And they're both owned by the same people now, right?

01:29:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:47.000 The Outdoor Channel and the Sportsman's Channel are both owned by the same people.

01:29:50.000 And then, you know, the YouTube site, Knock On Archery, there's a lot of...

01:29:54.000 If you go through there, and if you're not a hunter, then move past that, because there's a lot of how-to stuff, and that's the direction that I'm really going to be going.

01:30:03.000 The whole focus on this brand...

01:30:06.000 I think I have a hat on.

01:30:21.000 The show is geared around and it took a long time for me to convince the network for me to dedicate, you know, right now I have three segments that are how to be better with your form in the dead center segment.

01:30:34.000 Then the field recon segment is how to be better in the field as a hunter, you know, some type of a technique.

01:30:40.000 And then I have the third segment called Knocked and Ready to Rock, which last year was literally how to buy a bow and completely set up the bow to start to finish throughout the whole episode.

01:30:50.000 And there's a video of that.

01:30:51.000 It's over an hour long.

01:30:53.000 It's on YouTube, which is a very difficult, time-consuming, and involved process.

01:30:59.000 Yep.

01:30:59.000 And then this year, the Knocked and Ready to Rock segment is all about learning to build your own arrows.

01:31:04.000 But as I move forward through the seasons and through the You know, through the YouTube channel.

01:31:10.000 I'm going to continue to try to work on building all these fundamentals to become a good shooter.

01:31:15.000 And Harry and my wife, they both started out with no experience at all.

01:31:22.000 And it's funny how if you show the basic fundamentals and you're taught right from the very beginning how easy you can get to perfect form.

01:31:31.000 It's when you go into it with like...

01:31:35.000 I always say women and kids are way easier teaching than guys because there's not the macho factor. 1.00

01:31:41.000 Guys are like, shit, dude, I know how to grab. 1.00

01:31:43.000 Here, give me that. 1.00

01:31:44.000 I'll show you how to do it. 0.99

01:31:45.000 Well, they also worry more about being a loser. 0.99

01:31:48.000 Whereas people who are not worried about, man, if I fuck this up, damn, dude, I'm a loser and this guy's a winner. 0.99

01:31:56.000 There's a lot of people that don't like learning things because they don't want to fuck up. 0.99

01:32:00.000 And I think when you teach a woman or a young person, they have less ego. 0.99

01:32:07.000 They don't think of themselves as being the shit yet. 0.99

01:32:10.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:32:11.000 Well, women just don't have as many ego problems as men do in that regard.

01:32:14.000 Well, I've looked a lot into sports psychology.

01:32:21.000 And the first time I talked to you, one of the things where I was really hoping you could help me with...

01:32:26.000 And if anyone's listening out there that's like a sports psychologist, I actually, I have a big ADD problem.

01:32:34.000 I'm very, but it also has been a huge part of my success as an archer because I zone things out.

01:32:43.000 There's times where I've been in competitions, people come up to me and say, hey, sorry, I bumped you with the camera or whatever.

01:32:48.000 And it's like, when?

01:32:50.000 Because I like, I don't like, you're so tunnel visioned on stuff.

01:32:54.000 You see heads in those tunnels.

01:32:56.000 Yeah, the heads kind of was a distraction.

01:32:58.000 That was my Adderall.

01:32:59.000 But yeah, I've really wondered, you know, is ADD or, you know, is that like an asset to getting in the zone faster?

01:33:10.000 Yeah, we talked about that.

01:33:11.000 And my issue is, what is ADD? You know, I'm not exactly sure that everyone who has ADD really has a disorder.

01:33:22.000 You're 100% right.

01:33:24.000 I think a lot of it is a style of thinking or a way of thinking.

01:33:27.000 You know, right now, like, my dad's a psychologist, and it's amazing to me how many people will, you know, I've got friends that'll, like, go to the shrink for a 30-minute session, and then they're like, oh, yeah, I got some Adderall, dude.

01:33:41.000 I got ADD really bad.

01:33:42.000 When I got diagnosed with mine, I went for three different days and almost did like a psychological evaluation.

01:33:51.000 I mean, it was like questioning, questioning, questioning.

01:33:54.000 And I remember like reading through this thing that a true psychologist did to diagnose what I had.

01:34:01.000 And I remember one of the lines said, it was like one of the beginning lines, it's like...

01:34:06.000 John has always been a fairly normal boy.

01:34:09.000 He never had a problem soiling his linens or something like that.

01:34:13.000 That sounds like what you would read when someone became a serial killer.

01:34:17.000 John has always been a normal boy.

01:34:19.000 Until we found the one hand sticking out of the dirt in the backyard, we never suspected anything.

01:34:23.000 That's kind of what it was like.

01:34:24.000 But is ADD recognized 100%?

01:34:29.000 Is it universally recognized like there is an issue with ADD? I would say so.

01:34:34.000 Pull that up, Jamie.

01:34:36.000 The case against ADD. How about that?

01:34:38.000 Google that.

01:34:39.000 Let's give it a shot.

01:34:40.000 They argue that there's more people coming that are saying they have ADD. I think because doctors are so quick to prescribe nowadays.

01:34:51.000 What does it mean?

01:34:52.000 It means attention deficit disorder.

01:34:54.000 So what does exactly that mean?

01:34:55.000 Well, like for me, it's sometimes people are talking to me when I'm so zoned out on something else, I never hear it.

01:35:02.000 You know, there's constant distraction.

01:35:04.000 There's constant distraction.

01:35:06.000 If I'm tuned into you, then, you know, a lot of times, like, you know, I'll be focused on something and my wife like has to snap at me like a dog.

01:35:16.000 See, but that to me is not attention deficit disorder.

01:35:19.000 That's not attention deficit at all.

01:35:21.000 That's extreme attention on one thing.

01:35:23.000 And just an unwillingness to engage with distractions.

01:35:28.000 But then there's times, what's weird about it, is then there's times where you're trying to focus on something and it's like...

01:35:36.000 Every stimuli comes into play.

01:35:38.000 Right, but what are those things that you're trying to focus on?

01:35:41.000 Is it ever anything that you're really interested in? 0.98

01:35:44.000 Or is it just some shit you have to do, like fix a pipe? 0.96

01:35:47.000 Well, certainly there's times where people are talking to you and you really don't want to listen to them. 0.99

01:35:52.000 I have a feeling that's what attention deficit disorder is. 1.00

01:35:56.000 People are bored as fuck. 0.99

01:35:58.000 Or that is a lot of the time. 0.99

01:36:01.000 There's this wide range of the way people think and the way people address situations.

01:36:08.000 You can even see it in your children. 0.76

01:36:11.000 My middle child is very outgoing and very loud and silly and she'll talk to anybody. 1.00

01:36:16.000 But my youngest child, if she doesn't know you, she ain't saying shit. 0.99

01:36:21.000 You can say hi to her, and she's like, whatever, dude. 0.98

01:36:23.000 She'll hide behind me? 0.99

01:36:24.000 I ain't talking to this guy.

01:36:25.000 She just has her own style of engaging with people. 0.87

01:36:29.000 And they both also have their own very distinct likes and dislikes as far as the kind of TV shows they like, or the kind of toys they like, or the kind of art that they do.

01:36:40.000 And I just think that that same variety applies to things that people are interested in and not interested in in life. 0.98

01:36:49.000 And we take these fucking kids, man, and this is a big part of the problem with education. 0.98

01:36:55.000 There's a lot of different jobs out there. 0.99

01:36:58.000 And the path for a guy who wants to be a professional archer versus the path for a guy who wants to be an audio engineer, these are very different paths and they involve very different amounts of data, different kinds of data, different stimuli. 0.99

01:37:11.000 And we take people, and especially when they're young, We make them pay attention to shit they don't give a fuck about. 0.98

01:37:18.000 And I don't think it's good for them. 0.99

01:37:20.000 When I was in high school, they always said, oh, he doesn't pay attention.

01:37:23.000 He's got no...

01:37:23.000 Put something in front of me that I care about, and that's all I pay attention to.

01:37:28.000 So it's not that I'm a fucking ne'er-do-well, but you make me feel like I am. 0.99

01:37:32.000 You make me feel like I'm a loser because I don't give a fuck about math or Spanish history. 0.99

01:37:37.000 Sorry it's not ringing in my 13-year-old head. 1.00

01:37:40.000 I'm thinking about tits right now. 0.99

01:37:41.000 I don't have time for Spanish history. 1.00

01:37:43.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.98

01:37:44.000 But you might talk to me about pirates and all of a sudden, for whatever reason, that spark gets lit and now I'm interested. 0.99

01:37:50.000 And now I'm obsessed with pirates and I want to read books about pirates and I want to talk about pirates.

01:37:54.000 There's all sorts of different things that people get excited about and interested in.

01:37:59.000 But the problem, I think, or one of the problems with formalized education and our For some strange reason, our need to diagnose certain styles of thinking and certain styles of approaching life as problematic, as ADD,

01:38:15.000 or he's got ADHD. Oh, he can't stop.

01:38:19.000 He's in a fucking classroom. 1.00

01:38:21.000 They're teaching nonsense. 1.00

01:38:23.000 He's sitting on a plastic chair. 1.00

01:38:25.000 He wants to run through the fucking wall. 1.00

01:38:27.000 It's everything I could do. 1.00

01:38:28.000 I have a neighbor, and sometimes this guy corners me. 1.00

01:38:31.000 And he'll tell me some stupid shit about his son's basketball game or some other shit. 1.00

01:38:35.000 And I literally want to run up a tree. 1.00

01:38:37.000 I just want to...

01:38:38.000 And I don't have ADD. I don't have ADHD. I'm fucking bored, man.

01:38:45.000 And you're kidnapping me with this stupid goddamn conversation. 1.00

01:38:48.000 And I'm like, yeah, hey, look at the time. 1.00

01:38:50.000 Gotta go.

01:38:50.000 So I told him, you know, if you're going to get some time on that bench...

01:38:55.000 And that's how I felt when I was in school.

01:38:57.000 I felt a lot of that in school, and I think that's a lot of what's going on. 0.99

01:39:01.000 We're all interested in different shit. 0.90

01:39:04.000 And formalized education in a lot of circles and a lot of schools is just too limited for some of the kids in class. 0.98

01:39:10.000 I remember Harry, his first football team, I'm thinking he was like 9 or 10, and one of the kids shows up with like a big can of Monster, and he's like drinking it.

01:39:20.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:39:20.000 And we were trying to control the kid, and I went over to her mom, and I said like, You know, and it was every day.

01:39:27.000 How old was this kid?

01:39:28.000 He was 10. Oh my god!

01:39:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:31.000 And I remember going over and the mom said, the mom goes, yeah, we just have such a problem controlling.

01:39:37.000 And the thing is, it was 8 in the morning for a football game.

01:39:41.000 And she goes, we just, he just never listens.

01:39:44.000 I mean, the doctor says he has ADD. And I'm like, you just gave him a green monster at 8 in the morning.

01:39:50.000 He's 10 and he had like a double can of monster.

01:39:54.000 I'm talking the The big ones.

01:39:55.000 Yeah, the big daddies.

01:39:56.000 And how much do you think he weighed?

01:39:58.000 Uh, 100 pounds?

01:40:00.000 Jesus Christ!

01:40:02.000 That's like...

01:40:03.000 I could be wrong, but I think...

01:40:06.000 That's more than two adult-sized servings.

01:40:09.000 Could be wrong, but I think I know the problem.

01:40:12.000 Yeah, it might be your kid's on crank.

01:40:14.000 I mean, that's crank!

01:40:16.000 That's extreme doses of caffeine!

01:40:18.000 And sugar! 1.00

01:40:19.000 There's sugar in those things! 1.00

01:40:20.000 And you don't even know what else, really.

01:40:22.000 Yeah, and you know what, man? 0.99

01:40:23.000 They gotta stop selling you some shit and saying it's more than one serving. 1.00

01:40:27.000 Fuck you! 1.00

01:40:28.000 I hate that! 1.00

01:40:29.000 You can't do that anymore.

01:40:30.000 You gotta stop doing that. 0.99

01:40:31.000 If it's in one package and it's like a drink, that's a fucking serving. 0.99

01:40:35.000 Stop saying it's two servings. 0.99

01:40:37.000 Yeah, unless it's like a box of something that you're gonna cook.

01:40:43.000 If it's a box, that's multiple servings.

01:40:46.000 Right. 0.96

01:40:46.000 Don't tell me this bottle of water is two freaking servings. 0.96

01:40:49.000 Well, that's fine. 0.90

01:40:50.000 Well, it is.

01:40:50.000 You could say it.

01:40:51.000 Just kidding.

01:40:52.000 Does it?

01:40:53.000 No, just kidding.

01:40:54.000 But that's fine, because there's no negative consequences in drinking a bottle of water.

01:40:59.000 It's universally agreed that an eight-ounce bottle of water is not going to hurt anybody. 0.99

01:41:03.000 But one of those fucking monster energy drinks, or... 0.99

01:41:06.000 My trainer had a protein bar the other day. 1.00

01:41:10.000 It was like a small one too, man.

01:41:12.000 It was only like maybe three inches long.

01:41:14.000 It was a small protein bar.

01:41:15.000 And he goes, oh, I got to get my protein bar.

01:41:17.000 I go, your candy bar? 1.00

01:41:18.000 I'm fucking with him. 1.00

01:41:19.000 I go, dude, you're eating candy. 1.00

01:41:20.000 He goes, no, man.

01:41:21.000 I go, how many grams of sugar in that?

01:41:23.000 And he goes, nine.

01:41:25.000 I go, really?

01:41:26.000 I go, how many servings in each bar?

01:41:28.000 He goes, no way.

01:41:29.000 I go, check. 0.99

01:41:30.000 And he goes, fuck, it's two. 1.00

01:41:31.000 Yep. 1.00

01:41:32.000 I go, that's 18 grams of sugar in that little tiny thing.

01:41:35.000 That's a candy bar.

01:41:36.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:41:36.000 I coached that with teams, actually, because when I competed, the one thing that I think was, that I found really, really helpful is to be able to travel and keep yourself in your same daily routine with your rest and your diet and,

01:41:53.000 more importantly, your garbage intake.

01:41:55.000 Because people will go to a tournament and then they'll, like, pop in and they'll grab, like, you know, A power bar. 0.52

01:42:04.000 You know, like the chocolate-covered power bar, and then they go to a tournament and they're like having a snack, and then all of a sudden like two target sailors are like, I don't know what's up.

01:42:12.000 I'm kind of like bouncing all over the place.

01:42:14.000 I'm thinking, you just had 40 grams of sugar.

01:42:17.000 And they're like, when?

01:42:19.000 And I go, well, you just ate that marathon bar, you know, 19 grams of sugar per serving.

01:42:26.000 Yeah, double it.

01:42:27.000 You know, you just like totally had a full-blown insulin drop, you know.

01:42:33.000 And you do have one, too.

01:42:34.000 You know, I've been on this crazy diet now for two months, and I stepped off it the other day.

01:42:38.000 I had a cheeseburger and a chocolate shake.

01:42:41.000 Woo-wee! 1.00

01:42:43.000 It wasn't worth it.

01:42:44.000 It wasn't worth it.

01:42:45.000 But it was worth something.

01:42:47.000 It was worth something while I was eating it.

01:42:49.000 It was glorious.

01:42:50.000 It was a wonderful cheeseburger with blue cheese and bacon.

01:42:53.000 It was very good. 0.96

01:42:54.000 And the chocolate shake was pretty goddamn good. 0.96

01:42:56.000 And the chocolate shake, it was a chocolate malt, in fact. 0.97

01:42:59.000 Pretty goddamn good.

01:43:01.000 Good lord, because I haven't been eating that way, the crash after it was over, it was devastating. 0.94

01:43:08.000 Like I could barely stay awake an hour later because my insulin level just...

01:43:12.000 My whole body was just like, what did you do? 1.00

01:43:15.000 After months, two months of eating clean, you just took a shit in your mouth. 1.00

01:43:22.000 And I recognized that that had probably been a normal thing for me. 1.00

01:43:28.000 For most of my life, if I had eaten a cheeseburger and a shake, within an hour afterwards, I just was crashed.

01:43:36.000 I was just done.

01:43:37.000 But that's most people the way they eat all the time.

01:43:40.000 They just get used to that terrible feeling.

01:43:42.000 When I give seminars, a lot of times you have a lunch break, and I pay attention to the people...

01:43:50.000 When they hit the lunch break, I pay attention to what some people are eating.

01:43:55.000 Because you can tell a lot by a person by what they're throwing. 0.96

01:43:57.000 If you've got an option of something good or something crap, there's some people that just go right for the crap.

01:44:05.000 Then there's some people that go for the good stuff.

01:44:07.000 As soon as your session starts back up, and I'm sure you've done this where you give speeches or seminars, after meals, there's always four people that are out.

01:44:19.000 And they can't help it.

01:44:21.000 Because they ate a bunch of garbage, and they had this huge insulin dump.

01:44:27.000 And you know they've their bodies like trying to fight off all that and then they crash and a lot of times I'll like wake people up and I'll say okay I was waiting for that to happen because now is what I want to talk about the importance of nutrition during performance because the reason several people in here can't stay awake right now is because of what they did during their lunch break a lot of A lot of events,

01:44:55.000 sports-related events that are like all-day events, they have breaks.

01:44:59.000 Archery always had a break at noon.

01:45:02.000 I never wanted to be hungry at the break.

01:45:05.000 I tried to continually pick and hydrate throughout the whole event, just like I do at home during the day, so that I wasn't starving.

01:45:15.000 You see competitors that are leading the pack and they run to the frickin' concession stand And they want to like pound two or three burgers because they know that they're not going to get to eat till five o'clock.

01:45:25.000 And then all of a sudden their scores just start to peter out and they start making mistakes.

01:45:31.000 And then all of a sudden, towards the end, they come back again.

01:45:34.000 And they're saying like, I just had that freaking several ends.

01:45:38.000 I just struggled.

01:45:39.000 And it's like...

01:45:40.000 How do you think?

01:45:41.000 Yeah, why?

01:45:42.000 Well, at the time, I wasn't telling all my competitors, but I'm like, I saw that coming.

01:45:46.000 Well, until you try to live clean, until you try to eat clean, and you don't eat cheeseburgers and shakes, you don't understand how much of an impact it really has.

01:45:56.000 Because I think people associate how they feel with just normalcy.

01:46:00.000 They think that, well, this is just what happens.

01:46:02.000 At the end of the day, I get tired, man.

01:46:03.000 I need naps.

01:46:04.000 When I started drawing this primal diet, the Marxism diet, and I brought my body into a state of ketosis, it was the first time ever that in between meals I didn't have that crash, where I didn't feel terrible, where I could go six, seven hours and not feel bad at all. 0.82

01:46:22.000 Because your body, when it hits that state, is starting to burn off the fat.

01:46:26.000 And so your body has a supply of fat, so it just starts converting the fat in your body to energy.

01:46:32.000 It's amazing.

01:46:33.000 And it's amazing that so few people eat and live like this.

01:46:37.000 Yeah, that was really interesting because the one thing I asked you was I said, what's really the difference between that and the Atkins, right?

01:46:46.000 More fats.

01:46:47.000 Right.

01:46:47.000 And that was, to me, it made sense then, you know, where the Atkins, there's a lot more focus on the protein.

01:46:54.000 You know, I get people that are uneducated on eating clean.

01:46:57.000 You know, we look at what you and I just ate for lunch.

01:47:00.000 I mean, we like knocked back an avocado like nothing.

01:47:03.000 Some people are afraid of an avocado because they say it's fattening.

01:47:06.000 I mean, talk about not knowing what's up.

01:47:09.000 Yeah, they don't understand dietary fats and the importance of certain amounts of healthy fats, of getting the amount of oils and fats that your body needs, healthy oils, super important.

01:47:23.000 And avocado oil and avocados in general, one of the most healthy fats you can consume.

01:47:27.000 Super, super good for you.

01:47:31.000 Getting the right amount of nutrients in your body has just such a massive effect on how the whole goddamn thing works and Again, I go back to the the mentor thing and the life coach thing because until you Have talked to someone that you trust that's that's done it and is there you know until you know some guy who's a competitive You know marathon or something like that and he says listen If you do this, 0.90

01:47:58.000 your body will work better. 0.92

01:47:59.000 You've got to trust me.

01:48:00.000 You've got to trust me and try to clean up your diet.

01:48:03.000 If most people just cut out one thing at a time, they would see a big difference.

01:48:09.000 I actually have a thing that I call halving.

01:48:13.000 I've got a ton of success stories of hunters that were motivated by posts that I made with like food or you know they just see a post that I do and they're like I really I'm just tired of where I'm at as you know Billy Bob the bow hunter or you know I'm tired of where I'm at archery I've never I've been in it 10 years and I've never made progress what do I need to do you know I'll get some photos of them and a lot of times I notice that they're out of shape and I'm like listen If you're shooting on a line and you look down and

01:48:43.000 you can't see your feet, because you know a big part of my shot routine is the first step is really your feet, your stance.

01:48:53.000 Imagine martial arts.

01:48:55.000 You're trying to talk to someone about their stance.

01:48:57.000 They can't even see their feet.

01:48:58.000 It's like, okay, we need to address another problem as well.

01:49:01.000 You know, you might not want to hear this, but we need to address this problem.

01:49:05.000 And for me, when I started down that path, because I had about three years of my life where I, you know, it's funny how when it comes to like the path of an arrow or the path of life, all it takes is the smallest movement to get you going a certain direction.

01:49:21.000 And then all of a sudden, before you know it, you're like so far off the course and you're like, how the hell did I get here?

01:49:27.000 Yeah.

01:49:28.000 And I had a point in my career where I was that way.

01:49:30.000 I was like, you know, I was like, I remember I had to, I put on like a pair of 38 underwear and I was like, what the hell?

01:49:39.000 You know, I used to wear like 30, 38 pants.

01:49:42.000 Now I'm in a 38 freaking, and then I look at my legs because, you know, and I've got a pretty good story about Big Bird, but I always like, I've got Big Bird legs, you know, and I'm thinking...

01:49:52.000 Frick, that's how round my waist is? 0.96

01:49:55.000 As long as that frickin' leg, that's how big around I am? 0.95

01:49:59.000 So what I started doing was just halving.

01:50:01.000 And every time I ordered my normal meal at a restaurant, if it comes out and there's a burger, I took half the bun and then half the fries, I frickin' slid them off, and I gave them to the lady and said, can you take that?

01:50:15.000 And I would literally eat half the carbs that was on my plate.

01:50:19.000 I just halved everything as soon as it came out.

01:50:22.000 So I was in my normal routine in life.

01:50:25.000 If Sharon and I went to Applebee's or whatever, and I ordered my normal little meal, if it was a carb or junk, whatever they gave me as a portion, I halved it.

01:50:36.000 And I mean, just that and then getting rid of, like, soda.

01:50:42.000 And all of a sudden, it was just like, zoom.

01:50:44.000 In a matter of months, you've just completely changed your directional path.

01:50:50.000 And cut down the amount of calories substantially.

01:50:52.000 And once you get to that point, you're motivated by what you're seeing.

01:50:57.000 And then it's like...

01:50:59.000 I'm going to have that again.

01:51:01.000 Like, normally I'm used to having this.

01:51:03.000 I'm going to have that again.

01:51:04.000 And, you know, there's times where I might feel like bread, like I told you that.

01:51:09.000 For the most part, I don't like, you know, I feel really good when I'm not eating starch or carbs.

01:51:14.000 I feel way better that way.

01:51:16.000 However, certain carbs are, I think, really critical for times where, you know, there's times where I'm needing to write or I'm needing to speak, and I kind of just feel fuzzy in the head.

01:51:27.000 And for me, sometimes I think it's like your cognitive is like craving some brain food.

01:51:33.000 We should try some ketones, too.

01:51:34.000 I'm going to get you some exogenous ketones.

01:51:36.000 Yeah, I've been digging trying your dietary routine.

01:51:39.000 It's good.

01:51:40.000 Exogenous ketones have a big effect on mental function.

01:51:43.000 It's very, very healthy for you, too.

01:51:45.000 It's not junk, not stimulants, just healthy foods.

01:51:51.000 One of the ways that I got to know Cameron Haynes is because in being on a few hunts and going into the mountains and Experiencing what it's like just a hike at high altitude.

01:52:03.000 I just really underestimated the amount of stress that it takes on your body, how difficult it is to do.

01:52:10.000 And so then I started researching fitness and hunting.

01:52:15.000 I'm like, there's got to be someone out there that's really into it. 0.99

01:52:17.000 And then I found Cam, who's just a fitness fucking nut. 0.99

01:52:20.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:52:21.000 Does ultramarathons and all that jazz.

01:52:23.000 And that's how Cam and I became friends, is by...

01:52:25.000 Looking at his sort of style of getting ready for the mountains, like pretty much all of what he does, whether it's weight training, whether it's just running, running mountains.

01:52:35.000 It's preparing him to be a better hunter.

01:52:38.000 And I don't think many people that view hunting consider that. 1.00

01:52:42.000 They think of hunting as being a fat guy who's drinking beer waiting for a deer to pass by so he could shoot it in the dick. 1.00

01:52:48.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:52:48.000 That's how a lot of people look at hunting. 1.00

01:52:52.000 They look at it as a bunch of cruel assholes or that dentist guy who goes over to Africa and shoots a lion and fucks it up. 1.00

01:52:58.000 That's how a lot of people look at hunting. 0.99

01:53:00.000 And it's one of the reasons why hunting has a bad rap.

01:53:04.000 Especially in terms of its benefit As a tool for conservation.

01:53:10.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:53:11.000 People say, well, that's bullshit. 1.00

01:53:13.000 The only reason why people call it a conservation tool is because it gives them an excuse to kill animals. 0.99

01:53:18.000 Most of the money, most of the money to preserve wetlands, to preserve wildlife habitat, most of that money is a direct result of hunting.

01:53:26.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:53:28.000 That's a fact.

01:53:29.000 It's an undeniable fact.

01:53:30.000 So all these people out there that are calling themselves conservationists that never donate...

01:53:34.000 And then they'll say something mean and rude about hunting.

01:53:37.000 And even eat a cheeseburger after they say it. 0.99

01:53:40.000 There's a lot of fucking crazy intellectual dishonesty out there when it comes to this subject. 0.96

01:53:45.000 And also in terms of what we should or shouldn't do in terms of being the stewards of the earth. 0.99

01:53:51.000 Like we were talking about wild pigs.

01:53:53.000 If you don't think that we should do something to control the population of wild pigs, it's because you've never been around wild pigs.

01:53:59.000 Yep.

01:54:00.000 They have two, three litters a year. 0.99

01:54:02.000 They'll have three or four babies every litter, and they fucking keep going. 1.00

01:54:06.000 They got more than that. 0.99

01:54:08.000 How many did they get? 0.96

01:54:09.000 Pigs? 0.61

01:54:10.000 I'm guessing seven to ten.

01:54:12.000 In a litter?

01:54:13.000 Yeah.

01:54:14.000 And how many litters a year?

01:54:15.000 At least two, right?

01:54:16.000 They could do two.

01:54:16.000 Yeah, I think it's...

01:54:18.000 What is it?

01:54:18.000 Every three months they can chuck them out?

01:54:20.000 Well, they can chuck one out in six months after being born, which is insane.

01:54:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:54:24.000 Yeah.

01:54:26.000 It's amazing how...

01:54:29.000 I think?

01:54:46.000 Dude, we were in your yard and your wife comes out and there's like two coyotes in the yard scoping out your chicken house. 0.92

01:54:53.000 And then when she took the kids to school, she ends up telling us, yeah, there's a coyote running down the road with a freaking rooster hanging out of its mouth.

01:55:00.000 Yeah, they're common.

01:55:01.000 I mean, they're like, you have to control some of that.

01:55:06.000 You have to control predator populations because nothing else does.

01:55:09.000 And whitetails, I'm telling you.

01:55:11.000 Yeah.

01:55:12.000 Frank Zane, he was a three-time Mr. Olympia.

01:55:15.000 Frank used to do, he still does, he still does, but Frank and Arnold used to do archery as kind of an R&R, you know, from their bodybuilding.

01:55:25.000 That was kind of their zen, their stress relief was shooting.

01:55:29.000 And when I went to the Arnold and competed, Frank and Arnold ended up coming in to have like a We're good to go.

01:55:59.000 Are there any really good archers coming that can coach?

01:56:02.000 So she asked around and ended up connecting Frank to me.

01:56:07.000 So when Frank and I talked, I was like a big fan of him because I was a fitness guy for my stress relief.

01:56:14.000 And he wanted coaching because he goes, when Arnold and I shoot together, I don't want him to think that I've practiced, but I want to freaking beat him.

01:56:22.000 So I actually worked with him a little bit, and he did end up shooting.

01:56:28.000 And then Frank and I became friends, and he's an animal.

01:56:34.000 He's down from South of San Francisco, I think.

01:56:38.000 And he never really talked negative about me when he knew that I was a hunter and stuff, but I could tell it wasn't necessarily something that he favored.

01:56:47.000 But he eats meat.

01:56:49.000 Well, absolutely.

01:56:50.000 But he wasn't against it.

01:56:52.000 He wasn't, like, dead set against it.

01:56:54.000 I think he just didn't...

01:56:55.000 Wasn't interested in it.

01:56:55.000 Right.

01:56:56.000 So I pick him up at the airport, and we're driving back, and he said, so do you, like, hunt deer all the time?

01:57:03.000 And I said, yeah, I hunt them all the time.

01:57:04.000 And he's like...

01:57:06.000 He's like, well, how do you feel about it?

01:57:10.000 And I said, you have to do it.

01:57:12.000 And he's just like, really?

01:57:13.000 And he never said anything negative, but I remember we were three miles from my house and a frickin' deer comes across the road and we're like in my little Hyundai accent and I frickin' smoke this thing. 0.99

01:57:26.000 And he's like, he's just like, holy shit! 0.98

01:57:29.000 Like, he's like, you know, he's never seen like a freaking animal smash the car. 1.00

01:57:34.000 And he's just like, that was a freaking deer. 0.97

01:57:37.000 We just hit a deer. 0.98

01:57:38.000 And I said, yeah, dude.

01:57:40.000 Imagine if 850,000 people in the state of Wisconsin weren't out hunting a year.

01:57:48.000 850,000.

01:57:49.000 Is that how many hunt in Wisconsin?

01:57:51.000 Yeah, between bow hunting and gun hunters.

01:57:52.000 You can look it up.

01:57:53.000 I was in Wisconsin for opening season, not last year, but the year before last, and the morning light is like a war just started.

01:58:01.000 It's crazy here.

01:58:02.000 It was like, remember when we used to watch like shock and awe, like when the shock and awe happened?

01:58:07.000 That's what it sounds like.

01:58:09.000 Well, we talked about Michigan on the podcast before that in last year or every year, 50,000 car accidents involving deer a year just in Michigan alone.

01:58:19.000 And so people that think, well, there's no other way to take care of that.

01:58:23.000 This is what people have to understand.

01:58:24.000 Unless you want to bring in wolves.

01:58:25.000 And guess what?

01:58:26.000 You don't want to bring in wolves.

01:58:27.000 You don't want wolves in your neighborhood.

01:58:29.000 You don't want to look that in the face.

01:58:31.000 Well, you did.

01:58:33.000 That story is crazy.

01:58:34.000 I was telling a friend of mine about it.

01:58:37.000 The story of you, you were in Alberta and you shot an elk and these wolves circled the elk.

01:58:43.000 How many wolves were there?

01:58:46.000 Well, at first there was just the one.

01:58:49.000 The one came in.

01:58:51.000 And, you know, the one came in on us.

01:58:54.000 And that's one I do want to say off the beginning.

01:58:57.000 One thing that I always do as a hunter is I always buy a predator tag if it's available.

01:59:03.000 If I know that I can buy a tag for coyotes or wolves, I always have one in my pocket because...

01:59:11.000 You do see them.

01:59:12.000 They're out there.

01:59:13.000 And they're out there way more now.

01:59:15.000 And this is an exact reason why you've got to do it.

01:59:19.000 Because literally we had an elk down.

01:59:22.000 And next thing you know, we're out there getting it ready to cut it up and stuff.

01:59:28.000 And get it out of there.

01:59:30.000 And all of a sudden this big wolf comes in.

01:59:33.000 And I had spotted it.

01:59:34.000 And we weren't really being noisy.

01:59:36.000 So I ended up shooting that wolf.

01:59:39.000 And...

01:59:40.000 It kind of went off and, you know, with a bow, there's no noise.

01:59:44.000 So what we didn't realize was there was a pack there.

01:59:48.000 And that was actually, it was an alpha female because of the size of it. 0.99

01:59:53.000 I mean, you saw the size of it.

01:59:54.000 It's as big as me.

01:59:56.000 And it actually went off.

01:59:59.000 And then we kind of thought, well, that was freaking freaky.

02:00:02.000 Well, then about 20 minutes later, all of a sudden we see another one and we see another one. 0.91

02:00:07.000 And we're kind of like, holy crap.

02:00:09.000 So we start moving into this draw and one of them was like making like a noise, almost like it was injured or something.

02:00:17.000 It was like whimpering.

02:00:18.000 So we're like, what is the deal?

02:00:20.000 So we were on high ground with the elk and then we started moving down into this ravine because we saw the wolves down in there.

02:00:28.000 And next thing you know, we get down in there.

02:00:31.000 And I start looking around and there's like hair on the trees.

02:00:35.000 There's like, I mean, it looked like that movie Into the Grey.

02:00:39.000 The Grey.

02:00:40.000 The Grey.

02:00:40.000 That's exactly what it looked like.

02:00:42.000 The Liam Neeson movie. 0.55

02:00:43.000 There was like freaking hairy turds everywhere. 0.96

02:00:46.000 It was just, there was like beds, there was hair rubbed on the trees.

02:00:49.000 And I start looking around, there's like holes dug in.

02:00:52.000 And I'm like, I literally look at my two buddies that were there with me and I said, we're right in the freaking den.

02:01:00.000 Like, you know, and I think we had, that elk was not too far, you know, our elk wasn't too far from the dead.

02:01:05.000 So when you shot an elk that they probably thought of as theirs?

02:01:09.000 Oh, they definitely thought of it was theirs.

02:01:11.000 Yeah, they definitely thought that was theirs.

02:01:14.000 So then, once we're down there, all of a sudden we hear this howl.

02:01:19.000 We're like down there, we hear this howl, and it was definitely an alpha.

02:01:22.000 Because an alpha, the howl, it literally turns your blood instantly cold.

02:01:28.000 If you're right in on a true wolf howl.

02:01:32.000 I mean, it's like so freaking low and deep, and it just like chills your blood.

02:01:38.000 Well, you realize it's not a game.

02:01:39.000 Well, yeah. 0.97

02:01:40.000 Then I realized, I'm like, we're in their freaking den. 0.94

02:01:42.000 And, you know, I'm kind of looking down. 0.98

02:01:44.000 I'm like, okay, well, I shot an elk.

02:01:46.000 Then I shot that.

02:01:46.000 I've got two arrows left.

02:01:49.000 So, and, you know, both my guides kind of had, you know, once we said, oh, there's wolves, they like grabbed a gun.

02:01:56.000 We kind of went down in there to see what was up.

02:01:58.000 Well, now this happens.

02:01:59.000 And next thing, after that alpha sounded off, it was like, ooh.

02:02:07.000 I think it was 12 sounded off all the way around us.

02:02:12.000 We're literally down, anyone who's been in Alberta, you know that the farmland is level, and then it falls into the river system.

02:02:20.000 So we're literally, they have the high ground, there's a dozen wolves, and we're in the middle. 0.99

02:02:26.000 And we're like, what the crap? 0.98

02:02:27.000 So I'm like, get your back to a tree. 0.99

02:02:29.000 So we kind of all spin around, and we're sitting there, and next thing you know, here comes two dogs on a Full-blown, I'm talking like full-blown like this, like freaking coming.

02:02:41.000 And I mean, it turned into chaos.

02:02:44.000 There was like bullets flying. 0.98

02:02:46.000 I mean, there's freaking arrows skipping off junk. 0.99

02:02:48.000 And we ended up shooting both of those wolves dead. 0.99

02:02:52.000 And there's a few gunfires going off. 0.80

02:02:55.000 Well, I'm down to like one arrow left.

02:02:57.000 And I told the guy, I said, how many bullets you got?

02:03:00.000 And he goes...

02:03:02.000 Well, I didn't, you know, I just grabbed the gun to a couple bullets.

02:03:06.000 Like, I didn't know we were, this was all going down.

02:03:09.000 So we're kind of like, we need to get out of here.

02:03:12.000 So we started backing up, and next thing you know, the Alpha sounded off again, and they all reported.

02:03:18.000 This time, there's only two, or two less.

02:03:23.000 So, next thing I know, I'm like, kind of, we're trying to back out.

02:03:27.000 So when you say, wait a minute, hold on a second.

02:03:28.000 You say they reported, so there's, they know that two were dead.

02:03:32.000 Yes.

02:03:32.000 So all of them are howling.

02:03:34.000 I'm certain that the first howl was the alpha male pretty much saying, is everyone in position?

02:03:45.000 Because then they're all like, yes, yes, all the way around.

02:03:49.000 Then all of a sudden the two come, all hell breaks loose.

02:03:53.000 Then we're like, the alpha sounds again, but he's in a different location.

02:03:57.000 He was actually to my left, like right here, and really close.

02:04:03.000 And I mean, it's thick in there.

02:04:04.000 You've been there.

02:04:05.000 You know how thick it gets.

02:04:07.000 So then they sound off.

02:04:08.000 Well, now this time there's two less.

02:04:11.000 So...

02:04:14.000 I'm kind of looking because I know this wolf that sounded was, and I know it's the alpha.

02:04:18.000 So I like grab my bow and I start kind of creeping over there.

02:04:22.000 And as soon as I get to where I can see, he's like freaking standing right there.

02:04:28.000 How far away?

02:04:31.000 30 yards.

02:04:33.000 Which a wolf can cover.

02:04:34.000 Jamie, pull up that picture from Joe's Instagram.

02:04:39.000 It was about a week ago.

02:04:40.000 You found those pictures of those wolves.

02:04:43.000 Yeah, I forget who the photographer was, but he's got some amazing photographs of wolves.

02:04:47.000 Yeah, it was not the most recent one that was on that dead moose.

02:04:52.000 That was from National Geographic.

02:04:53.000 That was actually a bison.

02:04:55.000 That was from yesterday.

02:04:56.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

02:04:57.000 Yesterday or the day before.

02:04:58.000 Look at that.

02:04:59.000 That right there, that is exactly the face that I saw.

02:05:05.000 But he was head on.

02:05:07.000 He wasn't broadside.

02:05:08.000 But that face where he was literally looking at me like that.

02:05:12.000 And I mean, you're in a fight or flight situation.

02:05:14.000 I'm totally in a fight or flight.

02:05:16.000 I had one arrow left on my string.

02:05:19.000 I freaking grabbed my bow.

02:05:21.000 I literally, I like, I just, I kind of looked at him.

02:05:24.000 I knew at that moment, it was like he was coming.

02:05:27.000 Yeah, that's like freaking deja vu.

02:05:30.000 That's deja vu right there.

02:05:31.000 The Twitter, the Instagram page, Jamie, go back up a little bit, is CJM underscore photography.

02:05:38.000 And if you go to that guy's Instagram page, he's got amazing photographs.

02:05:42.000 And he's out there with them.

02:05:44.000 There was another one that I had, and it's just right before that, Jamie.

02:05:48.000 Before that wolf picture, there was another wolf picture.

02:05:50.000 That one.

02:05:51.000 Look at that one, man.

02:05:52.000 He's got snow all over his face, and his teeth are bared.

02:05:55.000 That's a cool picture.

02:05:58.000 To me, that's pretty cool.

02:06:00.000 Wolves are amazing.

02:06:01.000 They're amazing.

02:06:02.000 And the one thing people underestimate about hunters is our respect for animals.

02:06:06.000 If you love them, why did you kill it?

02:06:08.000 I totally respect them.

02:06:10.000 I love them, but I can tell you that other picture right there.

02:06:12.000 When you have that looking at you in the face, I mean, I knew it was like freaking do or die. 0.99

02:06:18.000 And I literally looked at that thing and I said out loud, I said, I'm going to shoot you in the effing face. 0.99

02:06:25.000 I like how you don't swear. 0.99

02:06:27.000 Yeah, sorry.

02:06:27.000 It's cute.

02:06:28.000 And my boy might listen.

02:06:32.000 I understand.

02:06:32.000 And I remember I drew back.

02:06:34.000 I literally drew back and I anchored and I came into my peep.

02:06:40.000 Which means, for people who don't know, there's like a little circle that you look at through the string where you're lining up with the sight.

02:06:47.000 You were lining up the shot.

02:06:49.000 Lining up the shot, and as soon as I kind of brought my shot down to where that wolf was, there was nothing there.

02:06:56.000 He bolted.

02:06:57.000 I think he just like...

02:06:58.000 Yeah.

02:06:59.000 Like, ninjad. 1.00

02:07:00.000 Well, if they're that wise and that big and that old, they've got to know what a hunter is.

02:07:06.000 They're so smart.

02:07:07.000 They're so smart.

02:07:08.000 I mean, they had to have known that you killed the elk, and they had to have known that you killed those other two wolves that chased you, that went after you guys to try to get the elk.

02:07:15.000 I think he came in to think, okay, you called a fight, we responded...

02:07:25.000 Now he's like sizing up, okay, I've lost.

02:07:29.000 Here's what I've lost.

02:07:31.000 I want to know what I'm going against.

02:07:32.000 He kind of came in and he freaking looked at us all.

02:07:35.000 And then that was it.

02:07:38.000 Good thing they can't count.

02:07:39.000 They knew he only had two arrows left.

02:07:43.000 Two arrows and two bullets.

02:07:44.000 How many bullets did that guy pick up?

02:07:46.000 He only picked up three.

02:07:47.000 It was bone chilling.

02:07:48.000 I mean, I have, you and I both have friends that are, grizzlies, cats, I mean, cats are notorious for stalking hunters too, because I mean, they are the ultimate hunter.

02:08:00.000 But grizzlies and wolves, I mean, you have to be on guard.

02:08:06.000 There's places now where grizzlies are strongly becoming such a problem when it comes to—they have to be controlled.

02:08:16.000 They're just starting to get to be too many, especially for the food source.

02:08:20.000 Yeah.

02:08:21.000 Well, there's people that worry about them being wiped out.

02:08:24.000 And I read this article about it recently, and it was just so filled with misunderstanding or misinformation.

02:08:29.000 We're talking about wiping out grizzlies that if they did open up back to grizzlies, grizzlies back to hunting again, they would be wiped out.

02:08:35.000 People don't understand how it works.

02:08:37.000 There's an allotment, a certain amount of tags that get distributed because wildlife biologists Deem that there's too many of them, and that it's problematic for all the other animals that live in the area.

02:08:49.000 You have to understand, when they put tag limits on white-tailed deer, or they put tag limits on wolves, they do it because they've deemed that there's an issue.

02:08:59.000 And there's obviously people want to hunt deer, but there's also an issue.

02:09:04.000 Like we were talking about the state of Pennsylvania.

02:09:06.000 There's some areas, I don't know if it's still the case, but there were some areas in Pennsylvania where they brought in hunters year-round, no tag limits.

02:09:14.000 They were like, just please come on down and shoot.

02:09:16.000 And it was on Michael Waddell, his show.

02:09:19.000 Oh yeah.

02:09:20.000 T-Bone was there.

02:09:22.000 They shot like three or four deer in a day.

02:09:24.000 And it was in the middle of summer.

02:09:26.000 They just went down there and shot deer because there's just so many of them.

02:09:29.000 And they were shooting them in like a residential area. 0.99

02:09:31.000 They were in a tree stand in like this dude's fucking yard and it's overrun with deers. 0.99

02:09:36.000 I think I met a guy that was literally begging me to come. 0.99

02:09:42.000 He said there's a deer season in the residential areas, I think in New Jersey.

02:09:46.000 And he said there's like so many deer in people's backyards and the timber is so...

02:09:51.000 He just said it's like...

02:09:52.000 There's just so many that they're issuing a lot of urban tags.

02:09:57.000 Bowhunting tags.

02:09:58.000 Yeah, and they have to.

02:09:59.000 And they have to.

02:10:00.000 Did you see the bears fighting in Far Rockaway, New Jersey?

02:10:03.000 Did you see that video?

02:10:04.000 No.

02:10:04.000 Uh-uh.

02:10:04.000 You want to see it?

02:10:05.000 Yeah.

02:10:06.000 Bring up that video. 0.99

02:10:07.000 Two, no bullshit, bonafide seven foot. 1.00

02:10:11.000 400-plus pound bears going to war in a residential community, knocking over fucking mailboxes and garbage cans, rolling out into the street, fur flying, biting each other. 1.00

02:10:23.000 Look at the size of these fuckers. 1.00

02:10:25.000 But are they cute? 1.00

02:10:27.000 Did anyone try to pet them or anything?

02:10:28.000 Yeah, they should have just made friends.

02:10:29.000 But look at these guys going at it. 1.00

02:10:31.000 These are big fucking bears. 1.00

02:10:33.000 Two big boars. 1.00

02:10:35.000 What?

02:10:35.000 The size of these guys.

02:10:38.000 What kind of move is that?

02:10:39.000 Was that a judo throw? 0.95

02:10:41.000 It was shitty jiu-jitsu. 0.97

02:10:43.000 Look at him, he's reaching for a back leg, dude. 0.97

02:10:46.000 It's like mall jiu-jitsu.

02:10:47.000 He's trying to ankle pick.

02:10:49.000 Did you see it?

02:10:50.000 He went in for a back leg. 0.99

02:10:52.000 Well, this goes on for a long time, too, and the guy who's filming it is filming it from his car.

02:10:57.000 I guess he's got his hand out the window.

02:10:59.000 So they go crashing through the bushes.

02:11:01.000 They go tumbling out into the street.

02:11:03.000 They take out some mailboxes.

02:11:04.000 I mean, there's the mailbox. 1.00

02:11:06.000 These fuckers are big, man. 1.00

02:11:08.000 They're big-ass bears. 1.00

02:11:10.000 They are.

02:11:11.000 Those are really big.

02:11:12.000 And they keep going back. 0.98

02:11:14.000 See, this one guy wants the garbage. 0.77

02:11:15.000 And that's what it is.

02:11:17.000 It's so funny if a lady just came out to go shopping. 0.98

02:11:20.000 Well, that fucking easily could happen. 0.99

02:11:22.000 That's how people die. 1.00

02:11:24.000 A lady got killed in Florida last year by one of these fuckers. 1.00

02:11:27.000 Yeah, they're serious. 0.99

02:11:31.000 What a lot of people don't realize, too, every year I go up, you always catch slack for being a bear hunter, but I go up to British Columbia every year.

02:11:41.000 And bear hunt.

02:11:42.000 And it's all spot and stalk there.

02:11:45.000 It's all fair chase.

02:11:48.000 But during the course of a six-day hunt, I remember one year I saw 82 bears on a six-day hunt.

02:11:58.000 That's insane.

02:11:59.000 I mean, some of the bears you might see twice.

02:12:02.000 But there were so many bears.

02:12:04.000 And it's like, you know what?

02:12:06.000 You have to manage that.

02:12:07.000 It's healthy for them, too.

02:12:09.000 Otherwise, this happens.

02:12:10.000 And you want to watch this in your yard?

02:12:13.000 Well, this is what could happen. 0.99

02:12:15.000 And what's interesting is Jamie and I, we were laughing because we found this fucking poster, this billboard, that said they're all Cecil. 0.98

02:12:22.000 And it's a bear and a lion hugging each other. 0.99

02:12:25.000 And it said, stop the New Jersey bear hunt.

02:12:29.000 There are people out there that are emotionally wrecked.

02:12:33.000 They're children.

02:12:35.000 They're an emotional wreck.

02:12:37.000 They're a child who doesn't understand that nature is a ruthless, vicious, beautiful, majestic thing.

02:12:44.000 And wildlife biologists are the ones who know the best.

02:12:49.000 These crazy emotional people that get so wrapped up in this idea that these animals are like people. 0.98

02:12:56.000 They have this fucking picture of this bear and this lion hugging each other and the bear has tears. 0.99

02:13:02.000 And the lion has tears. 1.00

02:13:03.000 Look at this.

02:13:04.000 They're hugging each other.

02:13:06.000 It says, ban the bear hunt.

02:13:08.000 They are all Cecil. 1.00

02:13:10.000 SaveNewJerseyBears.com You guys are out of your fucking mind. 1.00

02:13:14.000 Wow. 1.00

02:13:14.000 If bears didn't exist... 1.00

02:13:17.000 They didn't exist and they were in a movie.

02:13:19.000 They would be a monster. 1.00

02:13:19.000 It'd be some beast living in the woods that fucking eats baby deer right out of the vagina of the deer when they pull them out. 1.00

02:13:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:13:28.000 And they literally catch a deer that's giving birth to a fawn and they pull them out of each other. 0.99

02:13:32.000 They eat cubs on a regular basis.

02:13:35.000 There's so much cannibalism in the bear community. 0.78

02:13:38.000 Yeah, I've seen a lot.

02:13:39.000 It's not a community, really.

02:13:40.000 It could be.

02:13:41.000 I don't think it is.

02:13:42.000 Well, they have equal rights. 0.99

02:13:44.000 Tell me that fucking story that you were telling me yesterday about the grizzly bear that got into the shed or got into the cabin. 0.99

02:13:50.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:13:51.000 Yeah, just the sheer power.

02:13:53.000 I actually have my, like, wilderness father.

02:13:57.000 His name's Bert.

02:13:58.000 He's up there where I hunt in B.C. He has stories of the wilderness.

02:14:03.000 He'd be the ultimate character for you to have on.

02:14:05.000 He's like a real-life...

02:14:08.000 He's got stories, but there was a bear that kept destroying the camps and the cabins.

02:14:15.000 They ended up just kind of calling the bear Big Earl or something.

02:14:20.000 And they would come to the camps...

02:14:24.000 We're good to go.

02:14:43.000 Well, they came to camp and they figured, well, this is going to keep him out because he was blowing through all the windows.

02:14:49.000 Every year he'd blow through the windows.

02:14:51.000 So they boarded the windows up and they had this door.

02:14:54.000 So evidently he got mad.

02:14:56.000 They could see where he was really mad about how they boarded the windows up.

02:15:00.000 So...

02:15:01.000 We're good to go.

02:15:16.000 And there was one claw there. 0.88

02:15:19.000 He had evidently reached in with two claws and freaking hooked the backside of that door frame and ripped a freaking door out of a log home.

02:15:29.000 And pulled one of his own claws out? 0.66

02:15:30.000 And pulled his claw out.

02:15:32.000 That's how they knew they got the bear, because they ended up getting a permit to get the bear, and he had nine claws.

02:15:38.000 Whoa.

02:15:38.000 So he freaking threw that to the side, went in the cabin...

02:15:43.000 He licked the frickin' oven clean, but he could still smell that there's, like, grease somewhere inside there that he, like, wanted to get to. 0.52

02:15:53.000 So the whole frickin', the whole stove was smashed about this high off the ground.

02:16:01.000 So a couple inches off the ground.

02:16:02.000 A couple inches off the ground.

02:16:03.000 He literally just got on it and squished that frickin' full-blown stove.

02:16:09.000 Just like we would a pop can under our foot to like squirt some extra grease out the side of that big Oreo cookie that he thought it was and licked it clean.

02:16:20.000 Well, it gets better.

02:16:21.000 So there was curtains over the sink in the cabin.

02:16:27.000 And the curtains were all gone.

02:16:29.000 And the other thing, too, I think there was two big five-gallon things of cooking oil that were in the camp.

02:16:37.000 So Bert told me that there was one claw mark in the cooking oil, and then the frickin' things, like a Capri Sun.

02:16:45.000 He had frickin' popped a hole in these five-gallon things of cooking oil and frickin' squirted them.

02:16:51.000 Dry like an old Capri Sun.

02:16:54.000 Threw those to the side.

02:16:55.000 Well, the curtains were gone, too.

02:16:58.000 Because Bert thinks because of cooking, like the grease and crap that got on the curtains, he like freaking, they were gone.

02:17:07.000 He ate them.

02:17:07.000 Yeah.

02:17:08.000 Well, at the time, they didn't know.

02:17:10.000 His wife, Mary Jane, was like... 0.85

02:17:13.000 What happened to the curtains?

02:17:15.000 He's like, I have no idea.

02:17:16.000 But he had lived in there.

02:17:18.000 So, I mean, he had, like, piled the couch up.

02:17:20.000 And, I mean, he, like, lived in that cabin.

02:17:22.000 The bear.

02:17:23.000 The bear did.

02:17:24.000 A full-blown 10-foot frickin' grizzly.

02:17:27.000 Mountain grizzly.

02:17:28.000 So then they went down to the next camp, which was 20 miles away, and I didn't tell you this part.

02:17:34.000 So they get in there, and it's just an absolute frickin' wreck.

02:17:38.000 It looks like a life-size mouse home. 0.98

02:17:42.000 Just crap everywhere. 1.00

02:17:45.000 So Mary Jane's cut a snow shovel, and she's scooping all this frickin' shit off the ground. 1.00

02:17:52.000 And there was all these material dingleberries, and she's like... 1.00

02:17:57.000 What are those dingleberry things? 0.98

02:18:00.000 And Bert goes, that's all the balls off the curtains from Grizz camp. 0.93

02:18:04.000 The frickin' bear, like, ate the curtains in the other camp. 0.85

02:18:08.000 Once he destroyed it, he kept walking down the road 20 miles to the next frickin' cabin. 0.99

02:18:14.000 Destroyed that one and freaking shit out. 0.98

02:18:17.000 20 miles. 0.99

02:18:18.000 Yeah.

02:18:18.000 Oh yeah.

02:18:18.000 So he was the king of the mountain.

02:18:20.000 Oh yeah.

02:18:21.000 They have a huge range. 0.57

02:18:22.000 But yeah, he like, you know, freaking slung dingleberry juice and 10 gallons of freaking oil all across the next camp just to prove a point. 0.73

02:18:32.000 Imagine what kind of diarrhea a bear gets after 10 gallons of oil. 0.93

02:18:35.000 Just drink oil and eat curtains.

02:18:38.000 Yeah.

02:18:38.000 It's probably about the same kind I get after like six Chicken McNuggets.

02:18:42.000 It's hard out there for a bear.

02:18:44.000 It's a hard world.

02:18:45.000 It is.

02:18:46.000 It's just a crazy animal.

02:18:47.000 It's such a majestic...

02:18:49.000 I mean, we're super lucky that they're alive.

02:18:51.000 We're super lucky that they're around.

02:18:53.000 And that's the difference between, I think, people who are like really hardcore animal rights activists and people who are wildlife biologists and conservationists, like both agree that bears are amazing.

02:19:08.000 And that's where I think that these people, they have a misconception. 0.98

02:19:12.000 They think that hunters want to kill animals and they're vicious and they're mean and cruel and they have little dicks. 0.99

02:19:19.000 And some of them do, I'm sure. 0.99

02:19:21.000 I got one.

02:19:22.000 Mine's small, yeah.

02:19:23.000 What if you?

02:19:23.000 What if you're admitting that?

02:19:24.000 Well, like I said- But you're a giant guy.

02:19:26.000 You're like 6'5".

02:19:28.000 That could be it.

02:19:29.000 Maybe it's just small compared to everything else.

02:19:32.000 I hope so.

02:19:33.000 I hope so, too.

02:19:33.000 For you.

02:19:34.000 I mean, for the first part, you've got to admit your problem if you're going to move on, right?

02:19:38.000 It's how you get better at archery. 1.00

02:19:39.000 It's how you get better at dealing with your dick. 1.00

02:19:43.000 But my point was that both love bears. 1.00

02:19:46.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:47.000 They just don't want them to be a problem.

02:19:51.000 So...

02:19:52.000 When you're looking at what this bear did to that cabin, you can say, whoa, the cabin's in his neighborhood.

02:19:58.000 Nothing's his neighborhood.

02:19:59.000 How about that?

02:20:00.000 I just said it.

02:20:01.000 If people live out there and the bear comes in their house, it's not that the bear came into his own house. 1.00

02:20:08.000 It's a fucking person's house. 1.00

02:20:09.000 And if you don't think that way, then you're a problem. 1.00

02:20:12.000 You're a problem. 1.00

02:20:13.000 The bears are fucking bears. 1.00

02:20:16.000 All right? 1.00

02:20:17.000 And if you don't differentiate the difference between the value of a person and controlling populations of bear, well, you're a ridiculous person. 0.99

02:20:25.000 You're not looking at this thing correctly. 0.99

02:20:28.000 No one's saying the bear should be wiped out.

02:20:30.000 But when you talk about an animal that can flatten a stove...

02:20:34.000 Flatten a stove and pull a door out of the frame with nine foot long spikes surrounding...

02:20:42.000 Nine inch.

02:20:43.000 Nine foot.

02:20:44.000 How crazy is that?

02:20:44.000 That's some big guy spikes.

02:20:46.000 Nails as big as the bear.

02:20:48.000 Nine inch long spikes.

02:20:49.000 You're talking about an insane animal that if you don't control their populations, they're going to decimate everything.

02:20:56.000 The only thing that's saving them is them.

02:20:59.000 Them eating cubs.

02:21:00.000 That's the only thing that controls the population of them if they're no hunter.

02:21:03.000 Yeah, the only thing controlling the population is the food chain.

02:21:07.000 I told you this the other day.

02:21:09.000 I feel like as a hunter, I love what I've got to witness as a hunter because I feel like I've spent way more time...

02:21:21.000 Enjoying the creations of the wild because I've been out there.

02:21:26.000 Really out there?

02:21:27.000 Yeah.

02:21:27.000 How else would you have gotten a chance to see wolves in that environment that you saw them?

02:21:32.000 I mean, that's a confrontational environment with wolves. 0.96

02:21:35.000 Yeah, I wouldn't prefer to be in the middle of a freaking wolf attack to see them. 0.70

02:21:40.000 But you see things, like I told you, the time where a freaking bull moose, probably about the size of the one that you've got over there, You know, literally watch this freaking grizzly square off to this bull moose and hit it.

02:21:57.000 The grizzly literally just hit the freaking top back part of a full-blown moose and just broke it.

02:22:03.000 And it's like dinner time.

02:22:06.000 Snapped its back.

02:22:06.000 Yeah, snapped it.

02:22:07.000 You saw that?

02:22:07.000 I mean, just the sheer power.

02:22:09.000 Yeah.

02:22:09.000 Where was this?

02:22:10.000 Up in BC. Wow.

02:22:11.000 I mean, you look at that.

02:22:14.000 How far away was it from you?

02:22:15.000 It was a ways off.

02:22:16.000 I mean, it was like a binocular watch, but still, there's things like that.

02:22:20.000 There's things like, you know, you talked about how the rivets up in Alberta, you know, where they have the bear camp, you saw like a boar.

02:22:31.000 Maybe they were telling you the story.

02:22:32.000 No, I saw a boar and a sow fighting.

02:22:34.000 Okay, going at it.

02:22:35.000 Yeah.

02:22:36.000 Well, I've seen, and I told you this, and I actually, I shot the boar, but I spotted a big...

02:22:45.000 Bear in a field and I was hunting and it was spot and stalk and as I'm starting to stalk All of a sudden, a sow comes out and starts freaking posturing to the male.

02:22:58.000 And then all heck broke loose, just like that.

02:23:01.000 That's what it was like.

02:23:02.000 And I mean, I'm within 100 yards of it.

02:23:04.000 I mean, it's ferociously loud.

02:23:07.000 And then after they break up, the boar goes running to this huge...

02:23:12.000 You've seen the timber up there.

02:23:14.000 The timber's gigantic.

02:23:15.000 I think a couple stories high.

02:23:17.000 He freaking jumps on this tree and starts going.

02:23:20.000 And I mean, I'm talking like full speed. 0.51

02:23:22.000 Full speed bear. 0.65

02:23:23.000 I mean, it's like, it's an incredible chase and fight.

02:23:28.000 He freaking hits this tree and he's freaking going up it like bark is just ripping out. 0.97

02:23:33.000 And the black female is going right behind him. 0.98

02:23:37.000 And at the time, I still didn't realize what's up until he gets almost to the top and I see two colored cubs up there.

02:23:46.000 I mean, like, branches are coming off.

02:23:49.000 Like, nothing is stopping this dude.

02:23:51.000 He's frickin' going. 0.64

02:23:53.000 And right before he gets to the cubs, the frickin' female launches and grabs the ham hock and just lets go of the tree. 1.00

02:24:04.000 Brings the both of them down. 0.95

02:24:06.000 And lets the weight freaking bring them down and just boom!

02:24:13.000 And then all heck breaks loose.

02:24:14.000 They go up into the timber and it's just like a crazy fight.

02:24:20.000 Yeah, we were in a similar situation where there was a mother with her cubs, and then the boar came in looking to kill and eat the cubs.

02:24:27.000 Yep.

02:24:27.000 Oh, yeah.

02:24:28.000 Yeah.

02:24:28.000 And we talked about...

02:24:29.000 There's argument to why.

02:24:30.000 I haven't seen the evidence on, you know, you feel like it's just...

02:24:34.000 Well, as Ranella said that there's recent evidence that shows that these bears are looking to eat these things, like, almost immediately when they come out of hibernation.

02:24:44.000 Because of ease of diet.

02:24:46.000 Yeah, because they're just food.

02:24:47.000 Yeah.

02:24:48.000 I personally think, because they always tend to be more aggressive on the cubs from what I've experienced, the further into May that you get.

02:24:58.000 Right.

02:24:58.000 The closer you get to rut, the more likely, you know, I kind of think those boars might have bred one or two sows.

02:25:05.000 They're horny. 1.00

02:25:06.000 I mean, so horny. 0.77

02:25:09.000 And then they're wanting another one.

02:25:12.000 And they know that's the only thing that's going to trigger for them to come back in.

02:25:17.000 But, you know, after that fight broke up and the sow, you know, she ended up standing guard. 0.98

02:25:24.000 She kind of called her cubs down and they hauled. 1.00

02:25:27.000 Well, that big boar ended up coming out.

02:25:30.000 And he was, you know, it was like a seven-foot chocolate.

02:25:33.000 And that's the one I got.

02:25:35.000 You know, so...

02:25:37.000 Some people might be like, oh, he was trying to kill the babies, and then next thing you know, I got it.

02:25:43.000 So I kind of feel like I did.

02:25:46.000 You saved babies?

02:25:47.000 You're a conservationist?

02:25:48.000 Yeah, I was definitely a conservationist in that element.

02:25:50.000 People also don't realize that you eat bears, too.

02:25:53.000 People have been eating bears forever, and they taste good.

02:25:56.000 They think that you only eat deer and elk, and everything else is trophy hunting.

02:26:01.000 Yeah, it's amazing to me, just the beauties that I've seen.

02:26:07.000 I love sitting in a whitetail stand, and I spend a lot of time in a whitetail stand, just sitting quiet.

02:26:15.000 And for me, it's like meditation, because it is so quiet at times.

02:26:22.000 Sometimes I've heard birds and noises where I'm like, I've literally never, ever heard, like, what is that?

02:26:30.000 Like, I've never heard that.

02:26:31.000 And one of the coolest things that I've experienced is I've been in the timber during the fall where there's just colors, like a painting, just colors.

02:26:43.000 You know how it is in the Midwest.

02:26:45.000 And there's days when, like, the first fall snap really happens when I believe trees just decide to let go.

02:26:57.000 Have you ever watched any of the Harry Potter movies?

02:27:00.000 You ever see that tree that just like freaking cleans itself off?

02:27:04.000 And then all of a sudden he just decides...

02:27:06.000 Well, I've been in the timber where it was like the trees were almost communicating and everyone just said, let go.

02:27:14.000 And literally, like someone just moved a fresh canvas.

02:27:18.000 Just all the colors of fall just let go.

02:27:22.000 And you literally watch the whole...

02:27:25.000 Color of fall go to the ground and it's bare.

02:27:29.000 Who can say they've seen that?

02:27:32.000 Pretty rare.

02:27:33.000 It is amazing to see these cycles of nature, to see them in person.

02:27:37.000 And I think that's one of the things that a lot of people are missing by living in cities. 0.98

02:27:41.000 There's a lot of really cool shit that you could see out in the woods. 0.85

02:27:46.000 There's so much, so much of it is just like inherently fascinating or like it appeals to us in some sort of a primal way. 0.97

02:27:54.000 Do you remember that squirrel I sent you the other day?

02:27:56.000 Yeah.

02:27:57.000 The squirrel the hawk got.

02:27:59.000 Yeah, that was crazy.

02:28:00.000 I mean, I was out for a little walk and I came across a really nice buck, an awesome buck, literally dead.

02:28:23.000 No.

02:28:28.000 It's hard to say.

02:28:29.000 I think, you know, I think with any type of animal, especially when the males have such a limited time to breed, they really exert themselves.

02:28:39.000 I mean, it's like looking...

02:28:41.000 I've seen bucks that literally look like that fighter that fought Kimbo or whatever, you know?

02:28:48.000 Yeah, I've literally seen them. 0.87

02:28:51.000 I've seen them walking and they're like a freaking...

02:28:55.000 They're a fully-skinned zombie just because they've just been running. 0.89

02:29:00.000 They came too much.

02:29:01.000 Yeah.

02:29:02.000 They're done.

02:29:03.000 You've looked like that a few times, I heard.

02:29:06.000 You get tired, man.

02:29:09.000 Yeah.

02:29:09.000 And I think when they get that run down, it's no different than me.

02:29:13.000 When I'm traveling a lot, especially when I'm skipping time zones, and I really have a hard time getting into a sleep pattern and a recovery pattern, You just get sick.

02:29:23.000 You get the flu. 0.99

02:29:25.000 You get some freaking stupid little bug that's on an airplane from some guy like three seats over that's coughing. 1.00

02:29:32.000 I think you just wear your immune system down and you're vulnerable. 1.00

02:29:36.000 And then winter comes in and it's tough on somebody's deer.

02:29:43.000 Well, they don't eat for days sometimes.

02:29:44.000 Oh, yeah.

02:29:45.000 Days.

02:29:45.000 Or just get after it.

02:29:47.000 I saw a buck one time.

02:29:50.000 I'd see him as far as I could see with the binoculars over here.

02:29:55.000 Thirty minutes later, I'd see him as far as I could see with binoculars go through this creek bottom and this creek bottom.

02:30:01.000 I was actually sitting on this pond dam.

02:30:05.000 And about 11 in the morning, here he comes.

02:30:08.000 He's just like freaking...

02:30:09.000 He's just walking with this zombie walk.

02:30:11.000 Like he's trying to find a scent trail of a doe that's in estrus.

02:30:16.000 And he's just been breeding for weeks.

02:30:18.000 And I remember he's just freaking coming in.

02:30:21.000 And he literally just comes running and he hits the pond.

02:30:25.000 And he's sitting in the pond like with just his head sitting out.

02:30:30.000 And he's like...

02:30:35.000 And then he comes up out and he's just like, he goes like, shakes.

02:30:44.000 And then he's gone again. 0.75

02:30:46.000 It's just like, holy crap, this poor dude is just like running this like marathon of the rut. 0.86

02:30:54.000 Well, there's so much competition, too, in a place like Iowa. 0.97

02:30:56.000 That's part of what ramps them all up, is there's so many other deer there.

02:31:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:31:01.000 It's cool to watch.

02:31:03.000 So many die that way.

02:31:04.000 Well, I found that buck that day, and then two minutes later, I'm walking through the forest like, oh, here's a cute little squirrel.

02:31:14.000 I see the squirrel like, and he's looking at me on the side of this tree like, is this person going to hurt me?

02:31:22.000 And all of a sudden, like...

02:31:24.000 Frickin' boom! 0.99

02:31:25.000 This like red-tailed hawk just frickin' pounds this thing and I'm like looking around like what the heck and then the hawk looks at me and starts to fly and then drops the squirrel.

02:31:35.000 And I went over and here's the squirrel with like two talon marks.

02:31:41.000 One through its eye, one through its mouth, and one up through the drum.

02:31:45.000 Did you put that online?

02:31:45.000 Did you put that picture on?

02:31:46.000 No, I can send it to Jamie, though, if you want.

02:31:48.000 No, you should put it on your Instagram page, because it's a crazy picture.

02:31:51.000 Yeah.

02:31:52.000 It's a weird thing to see.

02:31:53.000 Yeah.

02:31:54.000 Nature is interesting, but I'm a conservationist.

02:32:01.000 I'm a huge supporter to the Boone and Crockett Club.

02:32:05.000 I've really tried to become...

02:32:09.000 I've done what it takes to become a professional member now of the Boone& Crockett Club and I'm really focused on trying to give more back on the conservation side because there's so many important things that these organizations do for wildlife.

02:32:28.000 As much as people want to say they...

02:32:30.000 I've just never seen an anti-hunting community Come anywhere where I'm at and put in time establishing habitat and actually doing things that grow the population and,

02:32:50.000 you know...

02:32:51.000 I plant food and I probably leave 5,000 bucks a year worth of food in my dirt to help grow deer and help my deer population.

02:33:02.000 Don't you think though that there's a lot of people that have opinions about animals and about wildlife that really spend very little time with animals and in wildlife?

02:33:12.000 They have this very convenient idea I told a friend of mine the number that we discussed in the podcast earlier about Michigan having 50,000 car accidents a year.

02:33:24.000 And he was like, you're lying.

02:33:25.000 And I'm like, dude, Google it.

02:33:26.000 And he looked at it and he just sat, he like literally looked at his phone and sat down, like plopped down. 0.99

02:33:31.000 Holy shit. 0.97

02:33:32.000 I go, you're not there. 1.00

02:33:34.000 If you're there, you would know.

02:33:35.000 Like it's overwhelming. 1.00

02:33:37.000 Because his opinion or his point of view was that these hunters are just these people that are just assholes that like to shoot animals. 0.99

02:33:45.000 Like they do need to do this. 1.00

02:33:48.000 Like they need to do this.

02:33:50.000 You might not think it, but there's no way you have a survey of the whole world or the whole country.

02:33:56.000 You just don't.

02:33:57.000 And if you did, I bet you'd have a different opinion.

02:33:59.000 Have you seen some of the numbers, like what Allstate Insurance posts about how many vehicle deaths and dollars and vehicle collisions there are just with white-tailed deer, with one...

02:34:13.000 Insurance company.

02:34:14.000 Let's find out.

02:34:15.000 I have it on my laptop if you want me to grab it.

02:34:17.000 Well, Jamie could pull it up.

02:34:18.000 I'm sure it's on Google.

02:34:19.000 Yeah, it is.

02:34:19.000 But just Google how many car accidents involve deer nationwide.

02:34:24.000 Yep.

02:34:24.000 I bet it's...

02:34:25.000 If Michigan has 50,000 a year...

02:34:28.000 It's mind-blowing.

02:34:29.000 Even the number of deaths would...

02:34:31.000 is...

02:34:32.000 Well, in Cam Haynes' hometown, some guy just died.

02:34:36.000 Some guy hit a deer and then the guy in front of him died.

02:34:40.000 Or the guy behind him.

02:34:41.000 The guy hit a deer and went flying through the air.

02:34:43.000 175 to 200 fatalities every year and 10,000 injuries.

02:34:48.000 There's approximately 1.5 million deer-related car accidents annually.

02:34:53.000 I'm going to say that again.

02:34:54.000 There are 1.5 million deer-related car accidents annually.

02:35:01.000 You didn't know that, did you?

02:35:03.000 Nope.

02:35:04.000 Over $1 billion in vehicle damage and 175 to 200 fatalities, as well as 10,000 injuries.

02:35:13.000 Oh my god.

02:35:15.000 In 2012, it said 200 deaths, $4 billion a year.

02:35:22.000 Yep. 1.00

02:35:23.000 Fucking Christ. 1.00

02:35:24.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:35:25.000 A lot of people don't know that.

02:35:27.000 The continent is large.

02:35:29.000 It's big.

02:35:30.000 Let me ask you this.

02:35:31.000 It's funny.

02:35:32.000 People whine and cry about how much insurance goes up.

02:35:38.000 How much do you think it would go up if we didn't help that?

02:35:41.000 Yeah.

02:35:42.000 Well, also, how about health insurance because of ticks, Lyme disease?

02:35:47.000 Oh, yeah.

02:35:48.000 And just your injuries.

02:35:49.000 More people going in for hitting one.

02:35:51.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:35:52.000 My dad actually, he always wanted to have his teeth perfect.

02:36:00.000 And I remember he wore braces for a long time to get his teeth fixed.

02:36:07.000 And, like, no sooner than he had them done and was wearing a retainer, and my dad's like, he's got a truck at home, like a big truck, but he never drives it because he always, he, like, drove a little bitty Honda.

02:36:20.000 And he frickin' hit a deer.

02:36:22.000 He hit a buck, like, a month after getting his, like, finally the dentist saying you don't have to wear your retainer. 0.78

02:36:29.000 He hit a buck and The horns stuck through his windshield and the horns stopped on his steering wheel and the body came in and hit him in the face.

02:36:41.000 Oh my god.

02:36:42.000 And he had to like get, he literally has fake teeth in the front.

02:36:46.000 Wow.

02:36:47.000 Yeah.

02:36:49.000 So...

02:36:49.000 Jesus Christ.

02:36:53.000 Yeah, I had no idea it was 1.5 million.

02:36:56.000 I told you.

02:36:57.000 But that's crazy.

02:36:58.000 That's a way better statistic than the 50,000 in Michigan.

02:37:01.000 Yeah, that's nothing.

02:37:03.000 I mean, well, that's a lot.

02:37:05.000 It's a lot.

02:37:06.000 It's a lot.

02:37:07.000 But in the whole scheme of things, you know, my wife... 1.00

02:37:11.000 My wife's from England. 0.68

02:37:15.000 She had never hunted.

02:37:16.000 Her family never hunted.

02:37:18.000 They have no idea about that stuff.

02:37:20.000 They have no relation to hunting, right?

02:37:24.000 So when she came over...

02:37:26.000 She was, you know, she knew I hunted and she was open-minded to it because I showed her numbers like this.

02:37:33.000 I said, okay, I understand you don't understand it, so let's talk about some of this stuff.

02:37:39.000 Do you realize this?

02:37:41.000 Do you know that at our house, if you drive around, you're gonna see a deer from your car like almost any time you're driving around our area after dark?

02:37:51.000 Or Wait until you see how many dead deer are on the side of the road during the first three weeks of November driving down the highway in Iowa.

02:37:58.000 You know what I mean?

02:37:59.000 So she kept an open mind and she realized really quick we couldn't grow a garden.

02:38:06.000 You know, in Wisconsin, they were like eating us all the time.

02:38:10.000 I mean, they were everywhere.

02:38:11.000 And she's just like, you know what?

02:38:13.000 I get it.

02:38:14.000 I never saw this.

02:38:15.000 I didn't see this much stuff in England.

02:38:18.000 We didn't have it.

02:38:20.000 That's why we weren't hunting there.

02:38:22.000 It's not because people aren't necessarily hunters.

02:38:25.000 It wasn't in some areas.

02:38:27.000 It isn't a needed conservation.

02:38:30.000 It is conservation.

02:38:32.000 Here.

02:38:33.000 That's the reality.

02:38:34.000 It is.

02:38:35.000 Well, imagine if you could see all 1.5 million car accidents in a scene, like one after the other.

02:38:42.000 Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

02:38:44.000 Because you've got to think, there's 365 days a year, there's 24 hours in a day.

02:38:49.000 So if you could look at all the footage that's accumulated every year in one giant loop, like one highlight reel of car accidents...

02:38:59.000 You couldn't watch it in a year.

02:39:00.000 Well, you couldn't.

02:39:02.000 Well, you'd watch two people die, or 200 people die, too.

02:39:05.000 But just the sheer volume would kind of wake people up.

02:39:09.000 If you could watch the sheer volume, if they put together a movie...

02:39:14.000 That was three hours long.

02:39:16.000 That was just all the car accidents in the last six months with Deere.

02:39:20.000 People would go, oh my god, we're at war.

02:39:22.000 We're at war and they're attacking cars.

02:39:24.000 They're literally suicide bombing cars.

02:39:27.000 They're jumping out in the street and taking out drivers.

02:39:29.000 Well, for over three hours you would see someone die every minute.

02:39:33.000 Yeah.

02:39:33.000 In that compilation.

02:39:35.000 Yeah, you'd just see boom, boom, boom, boom, smash, hoof to the face, antlers to the neck.

02:39:41.000 It was over and over and over again.

02:39:42.000 You'd have a lot more candidates for that LSD trial.

02:39:47.000 I mean, there'd be some serious traumatic syndrome.

02:39:50.000 Oh, the MDMA? Yeah.

02:39:51.000 Yeah, the MDMA trial.

02:39:53.000 Yeah, that would flip people over in the end. 0.95

02:39:55.000 Listen, we've got to get the fuck out of here. 0.96

02:39:56.000 It's 4 o'clock. 0.99

02:39:57.000 Oh, yeah, you've got shooting, dude.

02:39:59.000 We just banged through three hours.

02:40:00.000 How about that?

02:40:01.000 Thanks, buddy.

02:40:01.000 Thank you, man.

02:40:02.000 Thanks, Jamie.

02:40:02.000 Thanks for coming down here, and thank you very much for all the coaching, man.

02:40:05.000 It's been amazing.

02:40:06.000 I've learned so much from you.

02:40:07.000 And anybody that's into archery, I encourage you, go to KnockOnArchery on YouTube.

02:40:15.000 KnockOnTV for social media.

02:40:17.000 And KnockOnTV on Twitter.

02:40:19.000 I put that already up on my Twitter page.

02:40:21.000 And there's the television show that is on the Sportsman's channel.

02:40:24.000 John Dudley, ladies and gentlemen.

02:40:26.000 Thanks, everybody.

02:40:27.000 Try archery.

02:40:28.000 You'll like it.

02:40:29.000 Alright, we'll be back tomorrow with the great Dom Irera.

02:40:31.000 See ya!

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 12, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #783 - John Dudley

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