The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #792 - Lewis, from Unbox Therapy

00:00:00.000 Should we smoke weed?

00:00:04.000 We're live already?

00:00:05.000 I asked, should we smoke weed?

00:00:07.000 Right when Jamie gave me the gun sign.

00:00:10.000 What's up, brother?

00:00:10.000 Good to see you, man.

00:00:11.000 Yeah, you too, man.

00:00:12.000 It's good to be back.

00:00:14.000 It's good to have you back.

00:00:15.000 This is like warm time, though, in Toronto.

00:00:17.000 You didn't really want to leave that bad right now.

00:00:19.000 Yeah, you know what?

00:00:20.000 But I kind of felt like today out here was almost the perfect weather anyways.

00:00:25.000 Oftentimes I'll come out here, like I'm not a guy who needs to be in the heat.

00:00:30.000 You know?

00:00:30.000 Right.

00:00:31.000 I'm not one of these people, when it snows or whatever, like I'm complaining.

00:00:34.000 I can handle it.

00:00:36.000 I feel like genetically I'm built for that environment.

00:00:38.000 Well, you're a Canadian.

00:00:39.000 That's right.

00:00:40.000 Canadians.

00:00:41.000 Born and bred.

00:00:42.000 They can deal with it.

00:00:43.000 So, yeah, so I'm not, you know, I don't mind a little bit of the cold, but today here in LA, this is God's weather.

00:00:52.000 This is like...

00:00:53.000 I think if every day could be exactly like this out here, there'd be a compelling argument.

00:00:58.000 But it's those hot days, getting into the car and burning.

00:01:01.000 Am I fired up today?

00:01:03.000 Am I fired up this morning?

00:01:05.000 This is coffee number three, all right?

00:01:06.000 Blame the caffeine.

00:01:08.000 There's two arguments, right?

00:01:09.000 The argument is if it's really cold out, you can always dress for the cold.

00:01:14.000 But you can't really dress for the warm.

00:01:16.000 Yeah, right.

00:01:17.000 Undress. 0.97

00:01:18.000 But you could freeze to death.

00:01:20.000 It's super hard to heat up to death. 0.99

00:01:23.000 Like, you gotta really fuck up to heat up to death. 0.99

00:01:26.000 The desert! 1.00

00:01:27.000 The desert!

00:01:28.000 The desert will kill you pretty much.

00:01:29.000 You gotta go to Death Valley.

00:01:30.000 I actually know a dude who died like that.

00:01:33.000 Really?

00:01:33.000 Yeah, he went on like a sort of a spiritual walkabout kind of a thing.

00:01:37.000 This guy Evan Tanner.

00:01:38.000 He was a UFC fighter, former middleweight champion.

00:01:41.000 Actually, I feel like I may have heard that.

00:01:43.000 Yeah, he was into these, you know, these long periods of solitude and spiritual quests and he decided to go out into the desert and...

00:01:52.000 You know, just try to find himself or whatever.

00:01:55.000 I don't know exactly what his purpose was.

00:01:57.000 But when you get out there and it gets to like 120, 130 degrees, you get disoriented.

00:02:03.000 And he couldn't figure out where he put his water.

00:02:06.000 Wow.

00:02:06.000 Yeah, he couldn't find where his stuff was.

00:02:09.000 You know what's funny?

00:02:10.000 How about that stuff in movies and whatnot, cartoons, where every time somebody's in the desert, they're seeing a mirage.

00:02:17.000 Yeah.

00:02:17.000 What is that about?

00:02:19.000 Well, you can definitely hallucinate before you die.

00:02:22.000 And do you think that's what that's predicated on, is an actual history of people having seen these oasis situations?

00:02:29.000 Well, you know what it is.

00:02:30.000 You know how when you're driving on the road and the road is really hot, it looks like it's wet, it looks like there's water on the road?

00:02:37.000 Right, from the heat waves.

00:02:39.000 Exactly.

00:02:39.000 That illusion on the road can recreate itself, I'm sure, in desert situations.

00:02:45.000 It only makes sense.

00:02:46.000 Right.

00:02:47.000 And it's what you want to see.

00:02:48.000 Yes.

00:02:49.000 So you're like, you know you're in rough shape.

00:02:51.000 Yeah.

00:02:52.000 You create what you need to see.

00:02:53.000 Can you imagine if you did?

00:02:54.000 Imagine if you're like almost dying and you find water.

00:02:57.000 You'd be so psyched.

00:02:59.000 You'd be like, yes.

00:03:00.000 I mean, I think those are the kind of moments that make people really truly appreciate life. 0.97

00:03:04.000 And I think that's one of the reasons why people in LA are so fucking spoiled. 0.96

00:03:08.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

00:03:08.000 And ridiculous is because they don't experience real weather. 0.99

00:03:12.000 It gets a little warm, and then the worst thing they have to do is turn the AC on.

00:03:16.000 But they don't have to shovel their way out of snow.

00:03:18.000 They don't have to drive on slippery roads.

00:03:21.000 They don't have to...

00:03:22.000 And there's a certain amount of community that comes with everybody sort of bonding together because it's a blizzard.

00:03:27.000 Right.

00:03:28.000 You remember those?

00:03:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:29.000 Sure.

00:03:30.000 You experience it all the time.

00:03:31.000 Happens all the time, yeah.

00:03:32.000 Yeah, it's the kind of situation, I think, where any time as a human being you lose a little bit of control over a situation, whether it's the weather or something else, you kind of take yourself outside of that realm of how we like to compartmentalize things.

00:03:50.000 The epitome of self-centeredness is being in control of absolutely every experience you have and never letting go.

00:03:56.000 And the rest of the world around you as well.

00:03:58.000 Yes.

00:03:58.000 Not just your experiences.

00:04:00.000 Exactly.

00:04:01.000 It's a control kind of situation. 0.96

00:04:03.000 And choosing to live in a place where shit can go wrong or you can have a snowstorm or whatever is kind of... 0.95

00:04:14.000 It's kind of an element in that. 0.99

00:04:16.000 It's an aspect of losing control over the space.

00:04:19.000 And so what ends up happening, you've got people sliding around. 0.99

00:04:22.000 You've got essentially people coming to the realization that the planet can kick the shit out of you if it wants to. 0.77

00:04:31.000 I guess an earthquake would work that way. 0.87

00:04:33.000 Earthquakes do work that way.

00:04:35.000 Even a horrible thing like 9-11 works that way.

00:04:38.000 It did.

00:04:39.000 When I was in New York, we filmed Fear Factor in New York like less than a year, I think, after 9-11.

00:04:46.000 It was pretty close to when it happened.

00:04:47.000 And man, it was just such a different vibe.

00:04:50.000 Everybody was so friendly.

00:04:52.000 Everybody was so friendly and so nice.

00:04:55.000 And I had a friend who blacked out.

00:04:58.000 We were all...

00:05:00.000 Hanging out in front of this bar, and we stepped outside, and a couple of them smoked cigarettes, and I pulled out a joint.

00:05:07.000 I go, who wants to get down with this?

00:05:08.000 And they're like, okay, let's go.

00:05:10.000 They're like these producers, like, I can't believe we're doing this.

00:05:14.000 And one of them, I guess she just doesn't smoke pot, or she just, for whatever reason, she took a hit, and then you see her eyes roll behind her head, and her legs go down, and she almost fell. 0.96

00:05:26.000 Like, we had to catch her.

00:05:27.000 Passed out?

00:05:28.000 Yeah, she blacked out from weed. 1.00

00:05:29.000 I mean, like, it all just went...

00:05:31.000 Do you think it was the weed, or was it in conjunction with kind of the drama of the whole event having happened?

00:05:38.000 No, no, it was definitely the weed, because she's from L.A., and we flew in to film Fear Factor there, and she just had a weird reaction to pot, for whatever reason. 0.98

00:05:47.000 It was fucking space weed, too. 0.99

00:05:49.000 God! 0.99

00:05:51.000 Anyway, so we called the first responders, right?

00:05:53.000 We called the whatever they call.

00:05:54.000 I don't know who they call.

00:05:55.000 Paramedics.

00:05:56.000 Firemen showed up. 1.00

00:05:57.000 And I swear to God, these guys were treated like fucking superheroes. 0.99

00:06:02.000 Firemen and then cops came behind them and everybody was so nice and so friendly to them. 0.99

00:06:07.000 Because it was at that sort of honeymoon period after 9-11 when you realized, hey, when shit gets awful, we need these people. 0.97

00:06:14.000 We have to count on these people. 0.98

00:06:15.000 Yeah.

00:06:16.000 So people were more friendly in the city in general and then really thankful when the firemen showed up.

00:06:21.000 Yeah, there certainly is a kind of reset button effect when some kind of disaster happens where people feel like they've lost control, even for a moment. 0.94

00:06:33.000 Dude, like, I'm out here on the highway, or anywhere for that matter, and you have those moments where you're sitting around looking at all these vehicles and wondering how the hell this shit is staying together.

00:06:45.000 Like, how is everybody on this path? 0.98

00:06:47.000 Because it only takes... 1.00

00:06:49.000 One asshole. 1.00

00:06:50.000 What percentage of individuals is that to like screw it up for everyone else, whether you're flying a goddamn plane into a building or swerving the wrong way or looking at your text messages or whatever it is. 1.00

00:07:01.000 I think, you know, often we kind of take these disasters and we kind of hold them up, you know, CNN style, like replay it over and over again.

00:07:11.000 When in reality, there's an argument to be made that the amazing part is that it's held together as well as it is.

00:07:17.000 Half the time.

00:07:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:18.000 Well, that's the argument.

00:07:20.000 There's a lot of arguments when it comes to that, but one of them about gun violence.

00:07:24.000 Somebody showed me a chart the other day of how many people have guns, how many people actually get shot by guns, and who are the people that are getting shot by guns.

00:07:35.000 How many of the people that are getting shot by guns are involved in gang violence or criminal activity?

00:07:40.000 And then it boils down to how many people, I mean, your chances of getting shot, your actual chances of getting shot.

00:07:47.000 Like, do we really have a gun problem?

00:07:49.000 Or do we have a numbers problem?

00:07:51.000 And it really, if you look at the hard, raw facts, it's way more of a numbers problem.

00:07:56.000 It's a 300 million people problem.

00:07:58.000 That's what it is.

00:07:59.000 And if you look at the actual number of guns versus the number of gun incidents, it's shockingly low.

00:08:05.000 But it's just we're dealing with so many human beings.

00:08:08.000 And those numbers just seem...

00:08:12.000 I just don't think human beings are supposed to have access to 7 billion human beings on Earth's worth of drama and stories.

00:08:20.000 LAUGHTER You know?

00:08:22.000 Yeah.

00:08:23.000 You know, when it comes back to the gun situation, I think that there's...

00:08:28.000 The issue there, the way I see it, is a communication issue.

00:08:32.000 In that, I think, you've got these different groups picking a side on it.

00:08:36.000 It is sort of relative to their personal experience and how they've been affected by it.

00:08:41.000 Sure.

00:08:42.000 As opposed to big picture, like, what's actually happening.

00:08:45.000 And inevitably, what will happen is you'll have some kind of...

00:08:50.000 Some kind of Columbine situation and all of a sudden everybody cares because of the type of people affected by it.

00:08:56.000 Of course.

00:08:56.000 But then half the year when it's a different group of people shooting each other, then it's not making headline news in the same fashion.

00:09:04.000 So I think it's a lot more segmented.

00:09:06.000 I think that the issues affecting certain communities are more community issues than they are national issues.

00:09:13.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:09:14.000 Oh, they definitely are.

00:09:15.000 Yeah, like look at Chicago.

00:09:16.000 Right.

00:09:17.000 And Chicago's close to you guys.

00:09:19.000 Yeah, very much so.

00:09:20.000 And the weird thing about Chicago is it's really nice.

00:09:24.000 Beautiful.

00:09:24.000 If you're in the right spot, it's one set of circumstances, and then on the other side of some imaginary line, it's a different set of circumstances.

00:09:32.000 Their murder rate is up more than 70% this year from last year.

00:09:37.000 And last year was insane.

00:09:38.000 At least that's what I read.

00:09:40.000 I mean, it sounds right.

00:09:41.000 I keep hearing about it.

00:09:43.000 It's terrible.

00:09:43.000 There was some kind of a blog I was reading which was like based on infographics and all this guy does, the entire blog is just following Chicago violence.

00:09:52.000 That's the whole thing.

00:09:53.000 And he had it all mapped out.

00:09:55.000 He had every single shooting, fatal shooting, where the person was hit.

00:09:59.000 It's like an amazing amount of detail that he went into on this particular blog.

00:10:04.000 Yeah.

00:10:04.000 72% soared 72% in 2016. Shootings up more than 80%.

00:10:09.000 88%.

00:10:10.000 Wow.

00:10:11.000 That is insane.

00:10:12.000 So murder up 72%, shootings up 88% the first three months of 2016 compared to the same period last year. 1.00

00:10:20.000 Fuck, man. 0.99

00:10:21.000 There was a video that this guy did. 1.00

00:10:22.000 He was live streaming his neighborhood, and he got shot on video.

00:10:25.000 Did you see that? 1.00

00:10:27.000 God, it's fucked up. 0.99

00:10:28.000 He's just hanging out there, you know, walking around, and I don't know what he was saying, but he was filming something, and all of a sudden, you see him drop, and then you see the shooter standing over him, shooting at somebody else. 1.00

00:10:41.000 This is fucking crazy. 0.99

00:10:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:44.000 You know, we look at, like, Juarez, Mexico. 1.00

00:10:46.000 Here it is.

00:10:46.000 This is it.

00:10:47.000 So this guy is hanging out here.

00:10:51.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:10:52.000 I can't be out here without the stove being open.

00:10:55.000 At least I'm gonna duck and hide for cover.

00:10:59.000 At least I'm gonna duck for cover?

00:11:01.000 Is that what he's saying?

00:11:02.000 So he's listening to music.

00:11:09.000 So he's wandering around.

00:11:10.000 Yep.

00:11:13.000 And someone just shot him.

00:11:15.000 How many books?

00:11:16.000 What the?

00:11:18.000 This guy unloaded the whole clip? 0.98

00:11:22.000 Crazy.

00:11:22.000 And that guy survived?

00:11:23.000 No, that guy's dead as fuck. 1.00

00:11:25.000 Oh, right. 1.00

00:11:27.000 Well, that's weird, watching somebody die.

00:11:30.000 I'm not really into that.

00:11:32.000 Yeah.

00:11:33.000 I mean, I assume he's dead.

00:11:36.000 I feel like if that guy kept shooting like that, probably his work was done.

00:11:40.000 That's what it sure seemed like, but the weird thing is it looked like he was shooting over top of him.

00:11:44.000 Did he die?

00:11:45.000 It says he was in critical condition.

00:11:47.000 Oh.

00:11:47.000 I mean, by now he might be, but he might have also survived, so...

00:11:51.000 That place is a war zone.

00:11:53.000 Yeah, it's weird.

00:11:54.000 And I think at this point, we've got enough evidence to realize that at some root level, we are still animals.

00:12:03.000 And when it comes to vengeance, revenge, everybody's susceptible.

00:12:07.000 If your brother or your neighbor gets killed or somebody you care about, you just want to go and do the same thing.

00:12:14.000 Whether it's in Chicago or it's in the Middle East or wherever it happens to be, people have been doing it.

00:12:19.000 You know, I was...

00:12:21.000 I don't remember who I was talking to about this, but it was regarding whether or not more humans were responsible for killing other humans in modern history or disease, like which one was the bigger figure.

00:12:32.000 Right.

00:12:33.000 And I was sitting there thinking about it.

00:12:35.000 I didn't know, but when I looked it up, it was like shocking figures in the direction of...

00:12:42.000 Humans killing humans.

00:12:43.000 Really?

00:12:43.000 Of course, you're including all the wars that have ever happened.

00:12:47.000 Millions of people that have died.

00:12:48.000 But this is modern history.

00:12:51.000 Over time, who knows?

00:12:52.000 I don't know if it was on a Wikipedia page or something.

00:12:55.000 You know the craziest statistics I've ever heard about humans dying?

00:12:58.000 What's that?

00:12:58.000 Half of all the people that have ever died ever were killed by malaria.

00:13:02.000 Mosquitoes.

00:13:03.000 The most dangerous animal on the planet. 1.00

00:13:05.000 Fucking malaria, man. 1.00

00:13:05.000 I know a dude who's had it more than twice. 1.00

00:13:07.000 Justin's got it again.

00:13:09.000 Justin Wren, he got it again.

00:13:11.000 He lives in the Congo.

00:13:12.000 Well, he spends time in the Congo.

00:13:14.000 He's got this foundation called Fight for the Forgotten.

00:13:17.000 And they go and they build wells in the Congo for people. 0.73

00:13:21.000 And he's been over there many many times and this is the second time he got malaria and one of the things he was saying is there's different forms of malaria and some malaria will last six months some malaria lasts five years and some malaria lasts thirty years thirty year malaria That's kind of like that Lyme disease.

00:13:41.000 Hangs around, right?

00:13:42.000 Well, Lyme disease is devastating.

00:13:44.000 That's some really bad stuff.

00:13:46.000 Especially if you don't catch it quick.

00:13:48.000 There's a gigantic amount of people on the East Coast that have Lyme disease.

00:13:52.000 Stuff just stays in your system.

00:13:53.000 Well, it's from deer ticks.

00:13:55.000 And they have to figure out what to do about that because there's a lot of places in the East Coast that are just overwhelmed with deer.

00:14:01.000 Because they don't have predators, so they have all these deer.

00:14:04.000 And the only predators that they're having now, coyotes, have kind of expanded their range.

00:14:10.000 And there used to be an animal that was more in the West, in the prairies.

00:14:14.000 Right.

00:14:14.000 There's this amazing podcast right now, if anybody's interested in this.

00:14:19.000 My friend Steve Rinella has this show called Meat Eater.

00:14:22.000 And it's on the Sportsman's Channel.

00:14:24.000 And there's a new podcast, or not new, but he's been doing it for a while.

00:14:28.000 It's called The Meat Eater Podcast.

00:14:29.000 And he's got this guy on named Dan Flores.

00:14:32.000 And Dan Flores is a historian.

00:14:35.000 And he was one of Steve's former professors.

00:14:37.000 And he has this book coming out about coyotes. 0.98

00:14:41.000 And it is fucking fascinating. 0.96

00:14:43.000 The knowledge that this guy drops about coyotes will blow you away. 0.98

00:14:47.000 First of all, coyotes are wolves.

00:14:50.000 It's a kind of wolf.

00:14:51.000 They used to call them prairie wolves.

00:14:53.000 That's what they used to call them, but it's like a type of wolf.

00:14:56.000 And they breed with wolves, most wolves, except gray wolves, because gray wolves have a different genetic line.

00:15:04.000 They had left North America millions of years ago and then came back within X amount of thousands of years.

00:15:10.000 And so they kill coyotes when they find them.

00:15:13.000 But red wolves and some other North American wolves that still survived, those wolves bred with coyotes and they're creating this thing called a coy wolf, which is like a hybrid of coyotes and wolves.

00:15:27.000 Let me ask you something.

00:15:28.000 Is this, where geographically is that happening?

00:15:31.000 All over the world.

00:15:32.000 All over the country, rather.

00:15:33.000 All over this country.

00:15:33.000 This country, like I said, there used to be a small range of coyotes.

00:15:37.000 But due to persecution, they've expanded their range.

00:15:40.000 Part of it, the persecution is not by humans, but by the gray wolves.

00:15:43.000 Because the gray wolves are killing them.

00:15:45.000 So what coyotes do, this is so fascinating.

00:15:48.000 Coyotes, when they call out.

00:15:49.000 When you hear coyotes, and then other ones call out.

00:15:53.000 What they're doing is, they're doing a roll call.

00:15:55.000 They're making sure that everybody's there.

00:15:57.000 And when coyotes get killed, when coyotes are under pressure, when coyotes get killed, there's a reaction in the mother where the female coyotes have larger litters.

00:16:08.000 So the normal litter, if nothing's disturbed, is between three and four pups.

00:16:12.000 But if they get killed, if they notice that their numbers are dwindling, their numbers jack up to as many as 13 to 14 puppies.

00:16:21.000 Per litter.

00:16:22.000 Bonkers. 0.72

00:16:23.000 And they're doing that as a result of being persecuted.

00:16:26.000 Real-time upgrades.

00:16:27.000 Real-time upgrades.

00:16:28.000 So one of the things that they've been studying this is in Yellowstone Park.

00:16:31.000 Because Yellowstone Park, for more than 70 years, had no wolves.

00:16:35.000 Because they had eradicated wolves.

00:16:37.000 They had extirpated them from Yellowstone Park.

00:16:39.000 Then they reintroduced them in the 1990s.

00:16:41.000 So the population of coyotes during that time was exactly the same.

00:16:46.000 It was completely steady until they brought in wolves.

00:16:49.000 And when the wolves started killing the coyotes, because they're gray wolves that they brought in from Canada, the gray wolves started killing the coyotes, the coyotes expanded like crazy and multiplied like nuts.

00:16:59.000 And now, the initial thing that happened when they brought in wolves was that the wolves killed a giant percentage of the coyotes, and the coyote population dropped by 50%.

00:17:07.000 But then, once the coyotes started having much larger litters because they were being killed off by wolves, Their numbers went as high as they were before, and now even higher, and now they've expanded their range.

00:17:19.000 So thanks to the reintroduction of wolves in Yellowstone Park, we've got coyotes all over the continental North America now.

00:17:25.000 Wow. 0.99

00:17:26.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:17:27.000 It's interesting that you brought this up. 0.99

00:17:29.000 I had a very weird experience recently.

00:17:32.000 I live just north of the city in Toronto.

00:17:36.000 Like, still a completely urbanized area.

00:17:39.000 It would be like here to downtown LA, let's say.

00:17:42.000 And I was going to visit my parents' house.

00:17:45.000 They live roughly in the same area.

00:17:47.000 And I went past a place where I went to elementary school.

00:17:52.000 In a neighborhood.

00:17:53.000 Houses everywhere.

00:17:55.000 A wolf came straight in front of my vehicle, limping, looked right at me, and continued on into the back of that elementary school.

00:18:04.000 A legit wolf.

00:18:05.000 I was like, is this a coyote?

00:18:07.000 And I'm sizing it up as I'm staring at it.

00:18:09.000 So sure enough, I'm like, this can't be true.

00:18:12.000 I've never seen a wolf my whole life in this area.

00:18:16.000 And then so what I ended up doing is I went online and I typed the town name along with wolf and sure enough people have been spotting Wolves coming into that area.

00:18:25.000 Look at this.

00:18:26.000 My friends live outside of Edmonton.

00:18:28.000 They live in Alberta.

00:18:29.000 That's a big one.

00:18:30.000 There's a big wolf was in front of my friend's truck today.

00:18:32.000 Just walking around. 1.00

00:18:33.000 That fucking thing. 1.00

00:18:35.000 He just sent me this this morning. 1.00

00:18:36.000 Just walking around on the street staring at him. 1.00

00:18:39.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:18:42.000 Yeah, that's a different kind of animal. 1.00

00:18:44.000 The way they look at you is...

00:18:45.000 They're fascinating, but coyotes are almost more fascinating because of their ability to adapt.

00:18:50.000 You know, they tried to wipe out the coyote during the 1930s.

00:18:53.000 I don't want to give too much of this information because this is all Dan Flores' information.

00:18:58.000 It's all really much better distributed by him off of this Meat Eater podcast.

00:19:03.000 You really should...

00:19:04.000 It's not the most recent Meat Eater podcast, but the one before that.

00:19:07.000 And today's date is the 20...

00:19:09.000 What are we, the 20...

00:19:10.000 30th?

00:19:10.000 30th of...

00:19:11.000 Of April.

00:19:13.000 So find it.

00:19:14.000 Find it.

00:19:14.000 Listen to it.

00:19:15.000 It's amazing.

00:19:15.000 You might not be into hunting, and I get that if you're not a hunter.

00:19:19.000 It's not a hunting podcast.

00:19:20.000 That one is not about hunting.

00:19:21.000 It's all about the Wild West and about the animals that used to exist on the plains.

00:19:27.000 And they're actually trying to set aside a gigantic chunk.

00:19:31.000 I think it's in Montana or something like that.

00:19:33.000 Where they're trying to establish a new Yellowstone type of situation where they bring in a lot of these animals and allow them to live in a natural way in some large sort of, you know, like a savanna type area,

00:19:50.000 like that, like recreating sort of the African savannas.

00:19:53.000 Wow.

00:19:53.000 Yeah.

00:19:54.000 Now that sounds dangerous to me.

00:19:57.000 Well, they're just talking about animals that already exist.

00:20:00.000 Oh.

00:20:00.000 Animals like wolves and bison and elk.

00:20:02.000 Oh, like local...

00:20:04.000 Well, they're trying to have a protected area. 0.99

00:20:07.000 A large, wild, protected area where they can't develop and no one can frack and that kind of shit. 0.99

00:20:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:20:14.000 There's a video I put up the other day from, I think it was in Sweden?

00:20:18.000 I forgot what town it was in, but they were lighting a lake on fire. 0.97

00:20:23.000 The lake has gotten so fucked up from fracking that you can light the lake on fire. 0.81

00:20:28.000 So they go up to this lake with a blowtorch, and they blow it on the lake, and the whole lake lights on fire. 0.92

00:20:35.000 That's like a bigger version of what the people were doing on the taps, right?

00:20:39.000 Yes.

00:20:39.000 I don't know much about fracking.

00:20:41.000 The tap thing is controversial only because some people say that some of that natural gas that got into that water had already gotten into that water, and this is a common phenomenon that you could actually document back decades before fracking ever existed.

00:20:57.000 So it could be that the natural gas, which was already in the water, right?

00:21:02.000 They're already trying to...

00:21:04.000 That's what they're trying to get out when they're fracking, right?

00:21:07.000 That it was already leaking into some water in some places. 0.99

00:21:10.000 But that doesn't remove the possibility of fracking making more of that shit get into people's water supply. 0.94

00:21:17.000 So it's real tricky because these people that are anti-fracking... 0.98

00:21:23.000 They want to point out the dangers of fracking.

00:21:26.000 And the people that are pro-fracking, they want to pretend that there's no danger.

00:21:30.000 And it's like there's no middle ground.

00:21:31.000 Yeah.

00:21:31.000 It's like the documentary on Netflix, Merchants of Doubt.

00:21:35.000 Have you seen that?

00:21:36.000 Yes.

00:21:36.000 Amazing.

00:21:37.000 Yeah.

00:21:38.000 It's all about the agenda and the amount of money you have to further that agenda.

00:21:44.000 And how much you can extract if you can push your agenda.

00:21:47.000 Exactly.

00:21:47.000 You extract money.

00:21:48.000 And then you put it back in to continue the lobby or whatever it might be to continue that conversation.

00:21:52.000 And it's like, when they talk specifically about how individuals, they only need a fragment of information in order to confirm their pre-existing bias.

00:22:03.000 Yes.

00:22:03.000 Like, you don't need a whole story.

00:22:05.000 You just have to present the alternative argument, make people think it's an argument in the first place, and then they'll pick the side that's more convenient to them.

00:22:14.000 Like climate change.

00:22:15.000 That's a perfect one.

00:22:16.000 I mean, there's this young Republican kid from my jiu-jitsu class who's, like, somebody brought up climate change.

00:22:21.000 It wasn't even a conversation I was involved in.

00:22:23.000 And he goes, it's a cycle.

00:22:25.000 There's always been a cycle of change. 1.00

00:22:26.000 I go, are you a fucking earth scientist, dude? 0.99

00:22:29.000 What do you do? 0.99

00:22:30.000 You just got out of the Marines, and I'm pretty sure you weren't studying earth science in Afghanistan.

00:22:36.000 Come on, man.

00:22:37.000 This is a super complicated issue that a lot of people, they have decades of science behind them, and they're researching the numbers, they're trying to figure this out.

00:22:47.000 They've got a consensus.

00:22:48.000 How come you're not with them?

00:22:51.000 You know, I think part of it is the fact that the way we've sort of been conditioned via media is to feel empowered.

00:23:00.000 You know?

00:23:01.000 It's like, you watch this clip and you think you're getting information, but in reality you're getting a headline.

00:23:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:23:08.000 Because that's the flow that'll keep you engaged.

00:23:11.000 Where you feel like you're getting smarter, but there's no way in hell you're putting in the time to be educated on certain subject matter.

00:23:18.000 You're getting just enough To, as I said before, confirm kind of what you thought already and then go out and pretend that, as you mentioned, you're some kind of authority on the situation when there's other people out there that have invested so much more in their perspective.

00:23:34.000 But instead of admitting like, hey, I don't know too much about it or it is a complicated issue or there's more to the conversation, there's something empowering about picking a side even if you don't necessarily know.

00:23:46.000 Well, I think there's something very problematic about headlines, too.

00:23:50.000 Like, these gotcha, clickbait headlines.

00:23:52.000 Like, there was a headline recently about Bill Nye the Science Guy.

00:23:56.000 You know who Bill Nye is?

00:23:58.000 Oh, yeah, I know who he is.

00:23:58.000 You know what the bow tie is?

00:23:59.000 I grew up on that shit. 1.00

00:24:00.000 Well, Bill Nye the Science Guy has done a fantastic job. 1.00

00:24:02.000 Don't ruin my childhood.

00:24:03.000 No, no, no.

00:24:03.000 It's not a bad thing about him.

00:24:05.000 He's fine.

00:24:05.000 It wasn't him.

00:24:06.000 But Bill Nye the Science Guy...

00:24:08.000 He's done a fantastic job of trying to make science interesting to people, and trying to educate people, and trying to make science something that's compelling, and make young people drawn to it.

00:24:21.000 So, Bill Nye, the science guy, was having a conversation with this guy, and the article, the topic of the article, or the headline said, Bill Nye favors prison terms for climate deniers. 0.99

00:24:35.000 So you're like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:24:37.000 So, like, has Bill Nye lost his fucking mind? 1.00

00:24:39.000 Has he gone crazy? 1.00

00:24:40.000 So I read this piece, and then I watch the actual interview with Bill Nye.

00:24:46.000 He never said such a thing, ever.

00:24:50.000 Someone suggested that climate deniers should go to jail because these...

00:24:57.000 Energy CEOs and these people that are spreading misinformation are directly harming the people that are going to be affected by that.

00:25:05.000 They know that they're saying something incorrect.

00:25:07.000 They do it to distribute propaganda, and there's other people that are going to be affected by it.

00:25:13.000 So Bill Nye says, that's interesting.

00:25:15.000 When you're talking about these energy CEOs and these people are making choices that are going to directly affect our quality of life, what do we do about it?

00:25:23.000 That's all he said!

00:25:24.000 I mean, that's literally all he said.

00:25:26.000 The headline says, Bill Nye favors climate deniers going to jail. 1.00

00:25:30.000 I mean, this clickbait bullshit. 1.00

00:25:32.000 So then you read that, and you're like, he's a fucking fascist! 1.00

00:25:34.000 You're not even a scientist! 1.00

00:25:36.000 Do you know where he got his degree?

00:25:37.000 And who's the type of personality who's most inclined to pick that is an individual who doesn't want to invest in discovering even the article.

00:25:46.000 Because it's easier.

00:25:48.000 It's easier to take the headline and form your perspective than it is to invest into it.

00:25:53.000 Also, because the people that are putting that headline out, all they want to do is make people read it.

00:25:59.000 That's it.

00:25:59.000 Watch it, read it, get the clicks, get the money.

00:26:02.000 That's where they get the ad clicks.

00:26:03.000 The impressions.

00:26:04.000 Yeah, I mean, that's the only thing they're trying to do.

00:26:06.000 And they're trying to make it as salacious and as inviting as possible.

00:26:09.000 Yeah, and the thing is, the only way to really combat that is to bounce, is to get out of there as quickly as possible.

00:26:16.000 Because the way I understand it, not necessarily an expert in the field...

00:26:21.000 Kind of done a few things on YouTube, but as far as Google PageRank is concerned, if a site is getting a quick bounce rate, like if people are landing on it and leaving really quickly, then it could potentially be ranked lower in the future because of that.

00:26:38.000 Oh, okay.

00:26:39.000 So you have to have a certain amount of time that you hover on a site before you get real money?

00:26:44.000 Yeah.

00:26:44.000 No, no.

00:26:45.000 Not for them to unlock money, but for them to surface in the future.

00:26:48.000 Like Google will penalize sites that have low retention.

00:26:52.000 Oh.

00:26:53.000 Just like videos that have low retention.

00:26:54.000 That's very intelligent.

00:26:56.000 Yeah, but the problem is that you probably had to read the whole damn thing to get to the conclusion that he didn't say it.

00:27:01.000 I watched the interview itself.

00:27:04.000 Oh, it was video.

00:27:05.000 Yeah, it was video and there was a text along with the video. 1.00

00:27:09.000 We should name the site, the piece of shit site that ruined your day. 1.00

00:27:14.000 Okay. 1.00

00:27:14.000 Well, it didn't ruin my day. 1.00

00:27:16.000 If you can find it on...

00:27:18.000 Because I defended Bill Nye on Twitter, and I said that's not his words, it's not what he was saying.

00:27:23.000 But let's watch the video itself.

00:27:25.000 And if we watch the video itself, you can see how deceptive it is to say that he favors people who deny climate change to go to jail.

00:27:34.000 Because that's not what he's saying at all.

00:27:37.000 Essentially, he's saying that we should look at people that are ruining the earth, like these energy CEOs that wantonly pollute these areas in order to gain profit.

00:27:48.000 Here we go.

00:27:49.000 Let's just play it so we can hear it.

00:27:53.000 The environmentalist here at the People's Climate March in 2014, September.

00:27:58.000 He said that the climate deniers, his word, and energy CEOs belong at The Hague with three square meals and a cot with all the other war criminals. 0.75

00:28:07.000 What is your thought on that?

00:28:08.000 Do you think some of the rhetoric on your side, as I'm sure both sides, but some of the rhetoric on your side gets too carried away?

00:28:13.000 I mean, what's your thought on jailing skeptics as war criminals?

00:28:17.000 We'll see what happens.

00:28:18.000 Was it appropriate to jail the guys from Enron?

00:28:22.000 Interesting.

00:28:23.000 Okay, right?

00:28:24.000 So we'll see what happens.

00:28:25.000 Was it appropriate to jail people from the cigarette industry who insisted that this addictive product was not addictive and so on?

00:28:33.000 And you think about, in these cases, for me as a taxpayer and voter, The introduction of this extreme doubt about climate change is affecting my quality of life as a public citizen.

00:28:49.000 So I can see where people are very concerned about this and are pursuing criminal investigations as well as As well as engaging in discussions like this.

00:29:01.000 See, that is a very measured response. 0.98

00:29:04.000 And he's essentially talking about people like the BP people that fucking polluted the Gulf. 0.98

00:29:10.000 That's what he's talking about. 0.93

00:29:11.000 You know, he's not saying that, you know, someone who, like the kid from my jujitsu class that thinks it's a cycle of life...

00:29:17.000 You should go to jail.

00:29:18.000 Yeah, and even if you look at the very end there, he made sure to say, I can see why people might think something like that, instead of necessarily confirming that that's the outcome he wants to see.

00:29:27.000 Yeah, I mean, he's making good points.

00:29:29.000 Yeah.

00:29:32.000 Like that Merchants of Doubt movie, which is an amazing movie.

00:29:35.000 If you watch that movie, you realize that the same people that were working for the tobacco industry, that were denying the addictive effects of tobacco, are the same people that are denying climate change.

00:29:46.000 The same human beings.

00:29:48.000 Like, not the same kind of people, but the exact same people.

00:29:54.000 Yeah, that's a little bit much.

00:29:56.000 Well, that's what they do.

00:29:57.000 And they get checks.

00:29:58.000 There's direct checks from these tobacco companies.

00:30:01.000 There's direct checks from these energy companies.

00:30:03.000 They're getting paid for this.

00:30:05.000 Yeah.

00:30:06.000 You know, coming back to the clickbait subject, I don't think that clickbait is always bad.

00:30:13.000 No, it's not always bad.

00:30:14.000 Like, I think there's a difference between clickbait and lying.

00:30:18.000 Right.

00:30:18.000 You know, like, I think sometimes clickbait gets too much of a bad rap.

00:30:22.000 Like...

00:30:23.000 In the sense of, I think a headline should be intriguing.

00:30:27.000 It should pique your interest.

00:30:28.000 It should compel you to click.

00:30:30.000 Yes.

00:30:30.000 Which you could say is bait.

00:30:32.000 But I feel like navigating the real world is full of clickbait.

00:30:36.000 Oh, sure.

00:30:37.000 Just coffee is clickbait.

00:30:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:38.000 I mean, when you see a girl on a...

00:30:40.000 Yes!

00:30:41.000 That's clickbait.

00:30:43.000 That's clickbait.

00:30:43.000 Yeah, so in that sense, I feel like, you know, there's a place for it, but I think people use the technique to essentially lie, and it gives the whole kind of system a bad rap.

00:30:55.000 Well, in that Bill Nye situation, there's not only is it clickbait, I think it's, like, he should fucking sue. 0.86

00:31:01.000 I mean, not really, but... 0.98

00:31:03.000 Let's not employ any more lawyers, Joe.

00:31:05.000 Let's not get the ball rolling in that direction. 0.99

00:31:07.000 But so many people on my timeline were calling him a fascist, and these fucking left-wingers are so far left, now they're right. 0.98

00:31:15.000 Nobody had watched the video. 0.98

00:31:17.000 Nobody had read it.

00:31:18.000 It was just immediate reaction with as little information as possible for you to be upset.

00:31:24.000 Yeah.

00:31:25.000 Again, the knee-jerk response of the web.

00:31:29.000 You know, there's a lot of stuff going on YouTube right now.

00:31:32.000 I'm kind of immersed in the YouTube world, social media world, whatever.

00:31:36.000 There's a lot of drama that's getting rewarded recently.

00:31:40.000 Like, what kind of drama?

00:31:42.000 Oh man, like, without going into too much detail, there's a lot of channels that popped up kind of hating on people.

00:31:51.000 Yeah, that's all they do.

00:31:53.000 Yeah, and that's like the entire agenda is to use other people's content as the vehicle for you to have a channel. 0.97

00:32:00.000 So like, today I'm going to shit on this video, and tomorrow I'm going to shit on that video.

00:32:04.000 So there's this kind of conversation about whether or not that—like, is that still fair use in that environment? 0.95

00:32:11.000 Because the understanding—I mean, it's not definitive, but the understanding I have of fair use is that, like, if you're compelling people to go look at the original, like you just did with the information about coyotes— You took a moment and you said, okay, this is this guy's research or whatever,

00:32:27.000 so go check him out.

00:32:29.000 You actually did him a service there instead of the alternative of you could have just talked about it and so on.

00:32:34.000 Well, in the case of these types of videos, people are using actual clips from these channels that they're shitting on.

00:32:40.000 And that's making up their channel.

00:32:43.000 Exactly.

00:32:43.000 And maybe more importantly, they don't...

00:32:47.000 They don't compel you to go look at the original because essentially they're hating. 1.00

00:32:53.000 Why would you go as a viewer and go source out this thing that this person that you like is telling you is a piece of shit anyways? 0.99

00:33:00.000 You're not going to go watch the original, right? 1.00

00:33:02.000 You're happier to listen to this guy shit on stuff. 0.99

00:33:04.000 So anyway, the problem is that... 0.99

00:33:09.000 Algorithmically, it feels like drama sells, right?

00:33:13.000 Just like in the regular world.

00:33:15.000 And so some of these channels are rapidly growing.

00:33:17.000 Rapidly growing on the backs of essentially making fun of people.

00:33:22.000 So there's some sort of feeling in the community that YouTube has changed or you get a lot of these people that are like, make YouTube great again, stuff like that.

00:33:32.000 But I mean, I don't necessarily agree with that.

00:33:34.000 But I think that there is maybe a conversation to be had about how much freedom we're willing to give individuals to essentially build their product on the back of other people's.

00:33:46.000 Well, that is an important issue when it comes to fair use. 0.99

00:33:49.000 Like, if someone just decided to make an unboxing, unboxing therapy channel, and all their shit is just shitting on what you do. 0.99

00:33:57.000 Look at this fucking dummy talking about watches. 0.99

00:34:00.000 That's not really fair use. 0.99

00:34:02.000 I mean, they're kind of stealing your content and becoming something with your content only, exclusively.

00:34:07.000 Or other people's content.

00:34:09.000 Like, they don't really have content.

00:34:10.000 Their content is other people's content. 0.97

00:34:12.000 And you get a few layers deep on that, and you realize it's kind of a fucked up scenario. 0.94

00:34:18.000 And you wonder about what it breeds. 0.94

00:34:21.000 There was this issue with the Fine Brothers.

00:34:25.000 Do you know who they are?

00:34:25.000 The Fine Brothers.

00:34:26.000 I've heard them.

00:34:27.000 Who are they?

00:34:28.000 Yeah, so they have this really popular channel, maybe like 10, 11, 12 million subscribers or something.

00:34:33.000 Jesus.

00:34:34.000 Yeah, and they do react videos.

00:34:36.000 Oh, so they watch something and then they react to it.

00:34:38.000 No, no, no.

00:34:39.000 They don't personally.

00:34:40.000 They have people on.

00:34:41.000 So it'll be like, kids react.

00:34:43.000 Then it'll be like, grandparents react.

00:34:46.000 And then it'll be like, famous YouTubers react.

00:34:48.000 Athletes react.

00:34:49.000 Somebody's reacting.

00:34:50.000 Right.

00:34:51.000 But essentially, the core of their...

00:34:53.000 And they've been doing this for a long time.

00:34:54.000 The core aspect of the model is that there's this thing you're reacting to, whether it's a viral video, a trend, whatever it might be.

00:35:03.000 Well, recently they tried to trademark the term React so that anybody who uploaded a video with the term React in it, that they could claim it and earn the ad revenue.

00:35:15.000 Oh my god, they must be stopped.

00:35:19.000 Did you know about this Jamie?

00:35:21.000 I think I told you about this at one point when it first maybe like started online. 0.99

00:35:26.000 What kind of fucking cunt thinks that they can own the word react? 1.00

00:35:29.000 So they launched this video where essentially they're explaining how this process will work for people. 1.00

00:35:38.000 They're telling you that you can sign up with us today and we'll license it back to you.

00:35:44.000 What?!

00:35:46.000 Who the fuck are these guys? 1.00

00:35:49.000 They're out of their fucking mind. 1.00

00:35:51.000 They are out of their fucking mind. 1.00

00:35:52.000 The story gets better. 1.00

00:35:53.000 Yeah, but here's the thing though, real quick, they're not the only ones.

00:35:57.000 So there's other companies out there that have already been doing this in quiet.

00:36:01.000 There's a company called Jukin Media.

00:36:04.000 And, um, there was a story, this guy, uh, what was his name?

00:36:09.000 Uh, Devin Supertramp.

00:36:10.000 He makes, like, action, action videos.

00:36:12.000 I don't know what you would call them.

00:36:13.000 Action videos?

00:36:14.000 Sure.

00:36:15.000 He used a, he used a title called, People Are Awesome.

00:36:19.000 That was the title of his video for his demo reel.

00:36:22.000 I've seen that.

00:36:23.000 Yeah.

00:36:23.000 And he didn't know that Juke and Media had already trademarked that title.

00:36:30.000 People are awesome.

00:36:32.000 They own it and have owned it.

00:36:33.000 How can you own People are Awesome?

00:36:36.000 Exactly.

00:36:37.000 Because whoever's got enough money to pay the right lawyer, God knows how it happens.

00:36:41.000 That's insane.

00:36:42.000 The idea that you can trademark those three words together, that is so insane.

00:36:47.000 So they were able to issue a copyright pulldown on his video.

00:36:52.000 Oh my God.

00:36:52.000 And so that was acting as his demo reel to get jobs and stuff like that.

00:36:57.000 And so he did a follow-up kind of explaining what had happened.

00:37:01.000 But so anyway, getting back to kind of the drama component, it's like people are kind of looking at YouTube now a little differently.

00:37:08.000 Like, wow, maybe here's this completely open space where people were allowed to do whatever they wanted.

00:37:14.000 But like, what are the consequences of that?

00:37:17.000 Well, you're putting out a certain type of frequency, right?

00:37:19.000 I mean, that's what you're putting out.

00:37:20.000 If you're putting out a frequency, what you're saying is you want to own all the react videos. 0.99

00:37:26.000 That's the greedy cunt frequency. 1.00

00:37:29.000 You threw out the greedy cunt bat signal, and you're letting everybody know you're a piece of shit. 1.00

00:37:33.000 You're a piece of shit, and you want to steal money. 1.00

00:37:35.000 Well, you know the best part is... 1.00

00:37:36.000 That's stealing money, right?

00:37:38.000 I mean, it's stealing money.

00:37:38.000 If you make a reaction video, you want to watch Two Girls, One Cup, or a guy getting run over by a buffalo, If they want money from you watching that video, that's stealing.

00:37:48.000 What they've done is they've used lawyers to circumvent the system.

00:37:51.000 They've jacked the system and they're gonna try to steal.

00:37:54.000 Have they actually copyrighted the word react?

00:37:56.000 Is this valid?

00:37:57.000 So they retracted. 0.99

00:38:00.000 What happened was the internet lost its shit, as you would expect. 0.98

00:38:04.000 And these guys, there were videos on YouTube which were live streams. 0.99

00:38:09.000 These were so funny when this was going on.

00:38:12.000 Essentially what they were is the subscriber count of their channel shortly after the controversy had hit and it just like fell off a cliff.

00:38:20.000 It should go to zero.

00:38:22.000 It never went to zero.

00:38:23.000 100% go to zero.

00:38:24.000 It should go to zero.

00:38:25.000 It never went to zero.

00:38:26.000 They don't deserve anything.

00:38:27.000 If that's what they want to do, you really want to reach out to everyone using the word react in a video and you want money from them. 1.00

00:38:33.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:38:34.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:38:35.000 You're everything that's wrong with distributing content over the internet. 1.00

00:38:38.000 That's everything that's wrong with it. 0.98

00:38:39.000 You've taken one of the sneakiest, most diabolical fucking tricks in all of the legal system, and you've applied it to this open, free world of the internet. 1.00

00:38:49.000 And you're a piece of shit. 1.00

00:38:50.000 That's a parasitic behavior. 1.00

00:38:52.000 Let me ask you something.

00:38:53.000 That's cancer.

00:38:53.000 I agree.

00:38:54.000 They came back, retracted it, apologized. 1.00

00:38:58.000 Fuck them. 1.00

00:38:59.000 Fuck them. 1.00

00:39:00.000 Fuck them for even thinking that that would be okay. 1.00

00:39:02.000 Come on, Joey! 1.00

00:39:02.000 I thought you were gonna give them a second chance. 1.00

00:39:04.000 No fucking chances. 1.00

00:39:05.000 You can't think like that. 1.00

00:39:06.000 You can't do that.

00:39:08.000 You can't do that.

00:39:09.000 You can't go after people.

00:39:10.000 It's not like it has anything to do with anything you created.

00:39:14.000 Yeah.

00:39:14.000 You're just stealing.

00:39:15.000 There were some stories going around that they had effectively shut down these small-time channels.

00:39:21.000 Oh my god.

00:39:21.000 Completely.

00:39:22.000 People who had these- Cunts. 0.96

00:39:24.000 Who are they again? 0.54

00:39:25.000 The Fine Brothers. 0.98

00:39:25.000 Cunts! 0.98

00:39:26.000 Cunts! 0.99

00:39:27.000 You can't do that, man. 0.99

00:39:29.000 There's probably some lawyer who talked them into doing that.

00:39:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:31.000 Hey, we're gonna own this.

00:39:32.000 It's gonna be amazing.

00:39:33.000 We got it.

00:39:33.000 We got it, dude.

00:39:34.000 We got the copyright.

00:39:35.000 Yeah! 1.00

00:39:37.000 Fuckers. 1.00

00:39:38.000 It's a weird... 1.00

00:39:38.000 Ugh! 1.00

00:39:39.000 That's so gross!

00:39:41.000 The idea behind going after people with...

00:39:43.000 It's not like...

00:39:45.000 There's something that you created and they came along.

00:39:48.000 Something completely unique and you wanted to copyright that.

00:39:51.000 You know what happened was they went so far as trying to go after Ellen because she did reactions on TV. Oh my god.

00:40:01.000 So she would have kids reacting.

00:40:03.000 But you know what the craziest part?

00:40:04.000 They should go to jail.

00:40:04.000 You should go to jail for that.

00:40:06.000 You fucked up the whole legal system. 0.98

00:40:07.000 Didn't that format exist before that? 1.00

00:40:09.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:40:10.000 Did Bill Cosby do that? 1.00

00:40:11.000 Dude, I did a react to Two Girls One Cup video like in 2003 or something like that.

00:40:18.000 Way back.

00:40:18.000 Brian and I did it.

00:40:19.000 You should have copyrighted.

00:40:21.000 So gross. 0.71

00:40:23.000 Yeah. 0.86

00:40:24.000 It's so gross, man.

00:40:26.000 But anyway, I don't know.

00:40:27.000 I think, I don't know.

00:40:29.000 It's scary both ways, because at the same time, you're like, well, do you really want YouTube to come in as this massive governing body to stop stuff like this from happening?

00:40:37.000 Well, that, yeah.

00:40:38.000 That kind of stuff, yeah.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, I agree. 0.95

00:40:40.000 There's some clear-cut shit, like the word react, you can't use react, or people are awesome. 1.00

00:40:45.000 Fuck you, man. 1.00

00:40:46.000 People Are Awesome is still there and still functioning. 1.00

00:40:49.000 Oh, fuck. 0.99

00:40:49.000 If we title this video right here People Are Awesome, we're gone. 0.99

00:40:53.000 They would take it down.

00:40:53.000 They're ripping us down instantly.

00:40:54.000 See, that doesn't seem right to me.

00:40:56.000 That's like saying love.

00:40:59.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:01.000 Copywriting the word love or action.

00:41:05.000 People are awesome.

00:41:06.000 How many people have said that?

00:41:08.000 Didn't Disney copyright Happy Birthday?

00:41:12.000 Well, Happy Birthday to You, the song, was copywritten for a long time, but it's since been dissolved.

00:41:18.000 Now, because he used to go to a restaurant and they used to have to sing their own, like, Happy Happy Birthday.

00:41:23.000 They couldn't sing Happy Birthday to you.

00:41:27.000 That song that we all know, the iconic song, somebody owned it.

00:41:31.000 So if you wanted to sing that song in your restaurant, when someone came in, they were celebrating a birthday, you would actually get fined.

00:41:37.000 You would actually have to pay money.

00:41:39.000 Let me ask you this.

00:41:40.000 I mean, just because we're on the topic, how do you feel in general about digital rights and whatnot?

00:41:47.000 Are you...

00:41:49.000 Are you really fancy about it?

00:41:51.000 Let's say you had some content.

00:41:54.000 I know sometimes you have musicians on here, right?

00:41:57.000 And they kind of seem to me to be a little bit out of touch with the internet space.

00:42:03.000 And I'm just wondering, if a person is purchasing or streaming or buying something that somebody's trying to sell digitally, How do you feel about that?

00:42:18.000 How do you think that should work?

00:42:20.000 Selling things digitally?

00:42:21.000 Well, let's say, for example, you had a record and you found out that a bunch of people were pirating it.

00:42:26.000 How hard would you be willing to go after them?

00:42:29.000 Well, see, it completely depends upon whether or not...

00:42:33.000 What your business is so I my feeling is that one of the things about music and You could use the same argument for stand-up comedy is that pirating in a lot of ways empowers people like like when someone puts up my stand-up on their YouTube channel I'm not into taking that down because I think that even when I was selling it,

00:42:55.000 I'm not into taking that down.

00:42:57.000 And the reason being is because I think the more people see it, the more people will come to see your live shows, the more people will come to support your stand-up, whether it's on Netflix or Comedy Central or whatever.

00:43:07.000 They'll pay more attention to it.

00:43:09.000 So in a way, it's kind of free advertising in that way.

00:43:13.000 Music companies don't tend to think about it that way. 0.98

00:43:16.000 And we had a recent problem that was pretty fucking disgusting. 0.95

00:43:19.000 Well, we had an act on, and the musical act played a small section of one of their songs. 0.95

00:43:27.000 And then the music company that owned that section of the song wanted all the ad rights for our show, for that episode.

00:43:36.000 And so, you know, we contacted the artist, and the artist said, well, I'll get that taken care of.

00:43:41.000 The music company's decision was, no, just tell them to not dispute the claim, and we'll take the ad revenue, and then it'll be fine.

00:43:48.000 We won't take down the video.

00:43:50.000 I go, you won't take down... 1.00

00:43:51.000 It's a fucking three-hour video. 0.99

00:43:52.000 We paid 15 seconds of a song, and you want all the ad revenue. 1.00

00:43:56.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:43:57.000 And I told them, I'm like, look, dude, you get this taken care of, or I'm gonna delete the episode. 1.00

00:44:01.000 You go, fuck yourself. 1.00

00:44:02.000 Like, this is ridiculous. 1.00

00:44:03.000 That's some greedy, sneaky bullshit that record companies are still trying to do. 0.99

00:44:08.000 Because record companies have to justify the fact they've got X amount of employees in a giant building on Sunset. 0.98

00:44:13.000 You don't need that anymore.

00:44:15.000 Okay?

00:44:15.000 Your business is dead.

00:44:17.000 Okay?

00:44:18.000 Sorry.

00:44:18.000 But this is what you got.

00:44:20.000 You got iTunes Music, Google Play, and that's it!

00:44:23.000 That's it!

00:44:23.000 That's your business now.

00:44:24.000 The real business is artists getting their shit out on YouTube and on social media and then doing concerts. 0.95

00:44:31.000 And that's where they make the bulk of their money.

00:44:33.000 They used to be the opposite.

00:44:35.000 It used to be artists made the bulk of their money from the record sales and then they made some of the money from concerts.

00:44:41.000 So what happens was...

00:44:42.000 The record companies would rip them off for record sales and they would come up with all these elaborate accounting methods to fix the profit so they made it look like all their expenses had to be paid first before they counted the profit.

00:44:57.000 They didn't take into consideration the artists learning how to play, going on the road, Doing all these gigs, creating this song, all the time spent writing.

00:45:06.000 They don't take that into consideration, but they do calculate all their employees, all their expenses, all their advertising revenue, how much it costs to rent their building, how much it costs for insurance, how much it costs for errors and omissions insurance.

00:45:20.000 All those different things they do take into account before you get paid. 0.98

00:45:24.000 So the artists were fucked. 0.98

00:45:26.000 Like, there's a lot of artists that got unbelievably bad record deals. 1.00

00:45:29.000 Like, the reason why Prince had changed his name to a symbol, because they fucking owned his name. 0.98

00:45:35.000 So that crafty bastard just decided to make his name some sort of a weird symbol and become the artist formerly known as Prince, and they couldn't do shit about it. 0.98

00:45:43.000 It was a really clever workaround for Prince. 0.99

00:45:46.000 But it was... 0.99

00:45:47.000 Essentially in response to these devious practices by these fucking record companies, right? 0.96

00:45:52.000 So in that sense I think like if someone if you have an album and everybody loves it and then people start pirating it and then it gets all over the place like Some musicians I had Paul Stanley on from kiss I heard that one. 0.96

00:46:05.000 That's kind of what I'm referencing.

00:46:06.000 He was super adamant about it, but he's so old-school, man.

00:46:09.000 Yeah.

00:46:09.000 He's so old-school.

00:46:10.000 He was super adamant about it that it's stealing.

00:46:11.000 Well, I get this vibe from those conversations that, like, it's almost like these people are kind of...

00:46:18.000 They don't get it.

00:46:19.000 They're wishing that an ecosystem existed still that doesn't.

00:46:24.000 Of course. 0.96

00:46:25.000 Well, he made fucking hundreds of millions of dollars through that ecosystem. 0.98

00:46:28.000 But I think the truth is, the hard truth...

00:46:31.000 Is that, at least on the economic side, music isn't worth what it used to be worth.

00:46:37.000 Absolutely.

00:46:38.000 And I don't like saying that because, to me, it matters.

00:46:40.000 And, like, I engage with it and it hasn't, like, in a non-economic way.

00:46:46.000 It might mean more than ever, now that more people have access to it and you can be exposed to so much more of it.

00:46:51.000 But on, like, a per-song basis...

00:46:54.000 There's a supply and demand situation now.

00:46:56.000 We have an abundance of potential music to interact with, so there's no way that each song can possibly be worth what it used to be worth.

00:47:05.000 Well, there's no way because it's so easy to access now.

00:47:08.000 That's one thing.

00:47:09.000 And the other thing is, the sheer numbers of songs that get put out every day, they all exist now. 0.80

00:47:16.000 You could go back and listen to some Roy Orbison from the 1950s, or you can listen to some shit that some new band you haven't heard of just put out last week.

00:47:25.000 They haven't stopped making bands. 0.97

00:47:27.000 They haven't stopped making music.

00:47:29.000 It's all just adding up.

00:47:30.000 So the collective pile of music is massive.

00:47:33.000 I would say it's accelerating because the barrier to entry in actually...

00:47:38.000 Creating continues to be lowered.

00:47:40.000 Yes.

00:47:40.000 Like actually the equipment you need.

00:47:42.000 A laptop.

00:47:43.000 That's it.

00:47:43.000 Yeah, you know, laptop, microphone.

00:47:45.000 I mean, you can create music on, you know, GarageBand.

00:47:48.000 100%.

00:47:49.000 You really can create a good...

00:47:50.000 Have you ever heard of Toneta?

00:47:52.000 Do you know who Toneta is?

00:47:53.000 No.

00:47:53.000 Toneta is an interesting cat, man.

00:47:55.000 He's a guy who lives in Toronto.

00:47:59.000 Cool.

00:48:00.000 What's up, Toneta?

00:48:01.000 Let's link up.

00:48:01.000 He's like this weird, androgynous guy in his 50s who's got a kid who makes his own music.

00:48:09.000 And he got famous for these songs on YouTube.

00:48:12.000 This is him. 0.96

00:48:14.000 He makes these videos where he just puts up a curtain behind him, and he makes these YouTube videos, and he sings these songs, and some of them are fucking good. 0.98

00:48:25.000 Like, pull up Really Big Cock. 0.97

00:48:30.000 That's one of my favorite...

00:48:32.000 That seems like the right place to start.

00:48:33.000 But here's the thing. 0.97

00:48:34.000 It sounds like ridiculous, right?

00:48:36.000 But it's actually a cool song.

00:48:39.000 Like, listen to the...

00:48:40.000 Let's play it.

00:48:41.000 Give me some volume, Jamie.

00:48:43.000 Look at this guy.

00:48:45.000 There's no money in this for him. 0.98

00:48:47.000 He's just some weirdo hanging out.

00:49:09.000 These are good songs.

00:49:13.000 It's a hell of a bass line there.

00:49:15.000 But look at this video.

00:49:16.000 I mean, this could not be any more Geocities.com.

00:49:19.000 You know?

00:49:20.000 I mean, it's so low rent.

00:49:22.000 He does it in his apartment in Toronto.

00:49:25.000 He just has a camera pointed at him.

00:49:27.000 Like, really primitive.

00:49:29.000 He's got a bunch of different weird dresses that he puts on and outfits.

00:49:34.000 And he's really strange.

00:49:37.000 But this guy, he does it all himself.

00:49:39.000 And he's got this massive cult following from doing this all himself.

00:49:43.000 I bought his vinyl.

00:49:44.000 I own his stuff.

00:49:46.000 I bought it on iTunes, and I bought the vinyl of it, too, just because I want to support it.

00:49:50.000 Yeah, and you know what?

00:49:51.000 That's a great point you make there.

00:49:53.000 I remember reading something recently, don't quote me, I don't know the figures, but that artists, a lot of artists are actually making more off the vinyl than they are off the digital.

00:50:01.000 Even though the volume is so much lower, just because the actual per unit cost is so high.

00:50:06.000 So like, big bands are doing special edition releases on vinyl and such to kind of get back some of that lost revenue that's existed because of digital.

00:50:17.000 So that's an interesting angle to take, but I think people are like you, where you're kind of almost doing it not because you really need to have it on vinyl, but because you want to support something that you like.

00:50:27.000 Unfortunately, I think it's a small percentage of people that do that.

00:50:30.000 Most people, if they can get it for free, they get it for free, because most people are constantly worried about their bills.

00:50:35.000 And if you can get something for free and download it and no one's watching, I mean, that totally makes sense.

00:50:40.000 Artists making more of vinyl sales than streaming services.

00:50:43.000 This is the article I read.

00:50:43.000 Well, streaming services are the worst.

00:50:45.000 But are they?

00:50:46.000 They are, and here's why.

00:50:48.000 They're owned by the record companies, and they've circumvented the whole selling album system.

00:50:52.000 Right, but isn't it the demand from the customer that is always going to drive the marketplace?

00:50:59.000 If people want streaming services, sorry to break it to you.

00:51:02.000 That's the reality we have to live in.

00:51:05.000 Well, they want free money, too.

00:51:06.000 If you could just hand out free money, that would be great as well.

00:51:08.000 But I mean, in this particular case, with music, right?

00:51:11.000 Doesn't music work better when you can just launch any song that exists on the planet?

00:51:15.000 Here's the problem.

00:51:15.000 These streaming services are profitable, and they're making a lot of money.

00:51:18.000 Now, if the streaming services are making a lot of money, the artists aren't making any money.

00:51:22.000 An artist doesn't need to be on Spotify.

00:51:24.000 There are plenty of examples of people who pulled their stuff off.

00:51:26.000 Taylor Swift.

00:51:27.000 Me.

00:51:27.000 Oh.

00:51:28.000 My podcast won't.

00:51:29.000 I won't put my podcast on it.

00:51:30.000 There you go.

00:51:30.000 That's easy.

00:51:31.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:51:31.000 Well, it's because the amount of money that they pay you is fucking ridiculously low. 0.98

00:51:35.000 Right. 0.98

00:51:35.000 It's insane. 0.98

00:51:36.000 Taylor Swift pulled her shit off Spotify. 1.00

00:51:38.000 When you get a big art, it's like Taylor Swift pulling their shit off Spotify. 1.00

00:51:41.000 I don't know how much she made off Spotify.

00:51:43.000 The figure is maybe... 0.99

00:51:46.000 They're disgusting. 0.53

00:51:47.000 A couple million or something? 0.87

00:51:48.000 No, she didn't make a couple million bucks. 0.98

00:51:49.000 I don't know, maybe $500,000?

00:51:52.000 No, no, no.

00:51:52.000 It was so low, it was insane.

00:51:54.000 I think it's somewhere in there.

00:51:56.000 I think it's way less than that.

00:51:58.000 But that's for the biggest artist that exists on the platform.

00:52:01.000 Well, we went over this before, where we looked at the one song that got played the most on Spotify and how much that artist got for it.

00:52:09.000 And it was like 2,000 bucks.

00:52:11.000 Yeah, it's a fraction of a penny per play.

00:52:13.000 But see, my feeling though is, is the Spotify audience, are they a crossover of the iTunes audience, or are they a crossover of the pirating audience?

00:52:22.000 I think they're a radio audience.

00:52:23.000 Because it's like, instead of tuning into a local radio station...

00:52:26.000 I guess what I'm saying is, in the absence of Spotify, do those millions and millions of users, do they turn to iTunes and give you the 99 cents, or do they give you nothing?

00:52:34.000 Because if they're giving you nothing, And stealing it, right, then isn't Spotify better than that alternative?

00:52:41.000 If it's the pirating audience.

00:52:43.000 Exactly.

00:52:43.000 And this is the fear, this is the thing that the music business doesn't seem to want to address, is that when Napster hit, everybody was a pirate.

00:52:51.000 I don't care who you are.

00:52:52.000 Right.

00:52:52.000 I walk around and talk to people.

00:52:54.000 Yeah, I was a pirate. 0.99

00:52:54.000 It was so superior to any other method for discovering music, even if you didn't want to steal things, it's like, fuck, this is too good. 0.99

00:53:02.000 Right. 0.58

00:53:03.000 But the problem is, this is not pirating, because pirating nobody benefited from.

00:53:08.000 Everybody got free stuff, but no one profited.

00:53:10.000 What this is is record companies supporting these streaming services.

00:53:13.000 I might disagree with that.

00:53:14.000 Well, again, this is not a direct...

00:53:17.000 But hold on, let me finish my sentence.

00:53:18.000 Go ahead.

00:53:18.000 Record companies created a platform, a financially profitable platform to stream from.

00:53:24.000 That's a big difference between that and pirating, because pirating doesn't have any central location.

00:53:30.000 They're just floating around.

00:53:31.000 The only central location was Napster, right?

00:53:34.000 So Napster got taken down because of that.

00:53:36.000 But Napster wasn't really profitable.

00:53:39.000 Like, these Spotifys, they've figured out a way to sort of circumvent this whole downloading situation, make things streaming.

00:53:46.000 They stream everything.

00:53:47.000 But there are alternatives to Spotify, like Jay-Z's service, Tidal.

00:53:52.000 Yeah, and they're equally criticized.

00:53:54.000 Yeah, except that one is owned by artists, not record labels, and they have similar issues in trying to pay actual artists, because at the end of the day, if they raise the price of their service, if Spotify goes from $10 to $20, people aren't going to have it.

00:54:09.000 Well, what are the percentage of people that use Spotify that actually pay?

00:54:12.000 I bet it's way less.

00:54:13.000 I bet most people get the free Spotify, like the vast majority.

00:54:18.000 I'm sure the data's out there.

00:54:19.000 It's a good question.

00:54:20.000 Because I don't think people are paying for it.

00:54:22.000 I guess what I'm trying to get back to is just this idea that music just simply isn't as valuable as it was.

00:54:27.000 And I think that it's tough as an artist.

00:54:30.000 Again, I can sense, I feel the pressure of artists right now.

00:54:34.000 Well, it's the way you're saying it.

00:54:35.000 Yeah, I know.

00:54:36.000 It's problematic in the way you're...

00:54:38.000 Economically.

00:54:39.000 Economically.

00:54:39.000 I'm not saying the value, the inherent value in expression, like...

00:54:43.000 Maybe a better way to say it is the market is completely changed and dissolved.

00:54:46.000 There you go.

00:54:47.000 It's not that the work is less valuable.

00:54:50.000 It's arguably more valuable in troubling times.

00:54:53.000 These are certainly troubling times and music is a massive source of inspiration and mood and enhancement to people.

00:55:01.000 And that's why I also curbed it by saying it's arguably more important emotionally and all the rest of it.

00:55:09.000 But I'm just specifically talking about that.

00:55:12.000 I think...

00:55:13.000 I think artists need to recognize that and then whatever system comes forth for how to deliver the future of how we listen to music, at least they're involved in that process instead of just participating in the current one.

00:55:29.000 It's like you need to be on Spotify for a number of different reasons as an emerging artist because that's the way people are discovering music.

00:55:35.000 So there's a lot of pressure there to participate even though you're not getting rewarded for it.

00:55:41.000 As an emerging artist, but as an artist that already is doing well and established making money and you realize that Spotify needs people like you in order to legitimize its company, then it becomes an issue, right?

00:55:55.000 Well, our subscriber growth in the last six months of 2015, what does that mean?

00:55:58.000 Okay, just 10 million paid subscribers.

00:56:01.000 Apple Music, 10 million.

00:56:03.000 According to Stats Now, Spotify just crossed 100 million total users.

00:56:08.000 A paying number could be more than 30 million.

00:56:11.000 Why don't they tell you that?

00:56:12.000 But what does that mean, though?

00:56:14.000 That's not a real number.

00:56:15.000 They're saying could be more.

00:56:16.000 Whenever something says could be more, it could be three people.

00:56:19.000 It could be more than 30 million, but it could be like five dudes.

00:56:23.000 Spotify announces 20 millionth paying subscriber.

00:56:27.000 Okay, back in June of 2015. Spotify announces 20 millionth paying subscriber with an ad-based free user base of 55 million.

00:56:36.000 Okay.

00:56:36.000 That's a pretty decent...

00:56:37.000 75 million total and 20 million paying subscribers.

00:56:41.000 Huh.

00:56:42.000 See, the problem is, too, if you have a podcast on it, they can get rid of your ads. 0.99

00:56:47.000 They can put their own shit on it. 0.98

00:56:48.000 They can do whatever they want. 0.99

00:56:49.000 Listen, I'm not making an argument for Spotify.

00:56:53.000 It piqued my interest in the number of times that it's being discussed.

00:56:57.000 I think, yeah, big artists, they can take a stand.

00:57:00.000 Taylor Swift can take a stand.

00:57:01.000 She doesn't need the $500,000.

00:57:03.000 But if you look at those numbers, that's a lot of money.

00:57:06.000 You're talking about 75 million people.

00:57:09.000 So 50, whatever they are, 50 million, they're using ad revenue.

00:57:14.000 And then the other 25 million, they're actually paying for the service.

00:57:18.000 That's an insane amount of money.

00:57:19.000 75 million people paying $10 a month.

00:57:22.000 Or 25 million people paying $10 a month.

00:57:25.000 And then the other 50 just getting their ad revenue from. 1.00

00:57:28.000 That's a lot of fucking people. 0.99

00:57:29.000 Yeah, but you can see the breakdown. 1.00

00:57:31.000 It's not like hand over fist that they're making money.

00:57:35.000 Right, but it's still the record companies.

00:57:36.000 The record companies are the ones that are in charge of this.

00:57:39.000 They're massive contributors to these companies.

00:57:42.000 Yeah, of course.

00:57:43.000 So they've figured out a new way to not pay artists and to stay open, stay valid.

00:57:48.000 Yeah, artists appear to be people that...

00:57:51.000 Get taken advantage of, have been, for the last 50 years.

00:57:54.000 The Jay-Z thing is a great thing.

00:57:56.000 Like, to have artists doing it.

00:57:57.000 But see, he was charging more, and that's why their user base, they're in trouble.

00:58:03.000 Apparently, they're in trouble, because they couldn't build a substantial user base at the cost they wanted to get.

00:58:07.000 How much is he charging?

00:58:08.000 Well, what is it?

00:58:08.000 It was like 20 bucks?

00:58:10.000 Yeah, but higher quality, you're getting two.

00:58:12.000 Yeah.

00:58:12.000 Higher quality audio?

00:58:13.000 Yeah.

00:58:14.000 Yeah.

00:58:14.000 Lossless audio.

00:58:15.000 Higher quality audio...

00:58:17.000 People don't care about that, though, which is the issue.

00:58:20.000 They really don't, right?

00:58:22.000 They just get the 320 kilobyte because you can't hear the difference.

00:58:25.000 It's really hard to.

00:58:26.000 Well, I had an amp once that I attached to my iPod.

00:58:30.000 I had an iPod and then an iPod amp.

00:58:32.000 I set it up once, never use it again. 0.99

00:58:34.000 That's bullshit. 0.99

00:58:35.000 Like, it's barely better. 1.00

00:58:36.000 Convenience.

00:58:37.000 That's the thing.

00:58:39.000 Convenience, in many ways, trumps quality.

00:58:41.000 It trumps your...

00:58:43.000 Well, that's the beauty of iTunes.

00:58:45.000 Yeah.

00:58:45.000 And then Apple's music streaming service.

00:58:47.000 Well, see, but in the case of iTunes, you can make the argument, like, Apple's then involved in the promotion of your business, right?

00:58:53.000 Because they're getting a huge chunk.

00:58:54.000 Yeah, they're the biggest distribution of all music right now, if you want to break it down that way.

00:58:58.000 They're not...

00:58:59.000 No CDs are being sold at like Best Buy unless you can really search really hard and find the one Best Buy that has. 0.96

00:59:03.000 Yeah, who the fuck has CDs anymore? 0.97

00:59:05.000 I threw a CD. I had a white stripe CD in my office. 0.99

00:59:08.000 I was cleaning out my office and I was sitting on my desk.

00:59:10.000 I'm like, I'm just gonna throw this out.

00:59:11.000 I have it on my phone. 0.99

00:59:12.000 Why would I want a stupid copy of it that I'm not gonna plug in anywhere? 0.99

00:59:16.000 Here's the thought on that though. 0.99

00:59:17.000 I've been having a lot recently because I've seen some things happen.

00:59:20.000 If all of the music you like, let's say, pick your ten favorite albums of all time, you don't have them a physical copy of, but you have them saved on your Apple, your iMusic, whatever service you pick.

00:59:31.000 If it's all in the cloud, they can technically go change that music whenever they choose to.

00:59:36.000 Change it.

00:59:37.000 Yeah, Kanye West has been doing something really recently right now, where he put out an album on Tidal last month, and for about a month they were kind of tweaking it.

00:59:44.000 They were changing the mastering on it, they were changing the featured artists on it even on one song.

00:59:49.000 Oh, so while it was up, he was tweaking it.

00:59:51.000 He's gone back on another album that's already been out for a long time now and changed some of the mastering on two of those songs, and some people think he might be doing more.

00:59:57.000 No one knows.

00:59:58.000 But it's a thought that I've been having that.

01:00:00.000 One of my favorite albums, I went to go back and find, the track order is out of order now.

01:00:05.000 Some of the songs are missing.

01:00:07.000 It's because that artist has decided not to have the version of that album up on Spotify the way it originally was.

01:00:14.000 So if you wanted to have that album, you need to own it the way he put it out in 2011. Or you never have that actual album.

01:00:21.000 You have whatever they have existing in the cloud, and that's what you get to have for the future.

01:00:25.000 That's fascinating. 0.99

01:00:26.000 That's some deep shit. 0.98

01:00:27.000 See, I support someone being able to do that, because that's kind of interesting. 0.99

01:00:31.000 Like, what he's doing by changing the mastering and adding new tracks and fucking around with things, it actually is compelling.

01:00:38.000 Like, it makes you want to kind of tune into it, and it's very intelligent on his part. 0.99

01:00:41.000 I think he does, like, as dumb as that dude is, Yeah. 0.99

01:00:45.000 And as egocentric as that dude is, he's so ridiculous, but he makes some really good moves. 1.00

01:00:49.000 Like when he goes on this massive rant about Bill Cosby being innocent right before he releases his shit. 1.00

01:00:55.000 I mean, it's a classic troll move. 0.99

01:00:58.000 Yeah, it's a little too much for me most of the time, but...

01:01:00.000 He's so entwined in the world of hate, though.

01:01:04.000 He has so much hate coming at him, it almost makes sense to cultivate that hate and use it, like, judo-it in the right direction.

01:01:11.000 He knows what he's doing, for sure.

01:01:13.000 100%.

01:01:13.000 He knows what's gonna happen when he tweets something crazy.

01:01:15.000 Yeah!

01:01:16.000 I mean, look, do you really think he thinks Bill Cosby's innocent? 1.00

01:01:19.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:01:20.000 Nobody thinks Bill Cosby's innocent. 1.00

01:01:22.000 Even Bill Cosby's sitting around with his one fucking good eye going, maybe I did rape those girls. 1.00

01:01:27.000 Even he is, like, coming to terms with the fact that he might be a piece of shit. 1.00

01:01:31.000 His wife left him. 1.00

01:01:32.000 I mean, even that crazy wife of his would smile through all those interviews. 0.98

01:01:35.000 She's like, I'm a ghost. 0.99

01:01:36.000 That's dark.

01:01:37.000 That's dark.

01:01:38.000 You look at those interviews and you watch her.

01:01:41.000 She's smiling.

01:01:41.000 She knows something's up.

01:01:44.000 Well, she's been protected by royalty for so long because he existed... 0.79

01:01:48.000 as a celebrity in a strange time when an artist can get away with almost anything I mean you were in a bubble you were different and I think that being in a bubble and also I think for a guy like you or I to try to even understand what it's like to be as famous as Bill Cosby it's impossible I think it's probably an unmanageable level of fame at a certain point in his life you know especially when he had Bill Cosby himself and the Cosby show on NBC he was fucking royalty man And during that 0.99

01:02:18.000 time, he was inviting these girls to come over and read scripts and suck his dick and fucking drugging them and they'd wake up with their panties down by their ankles and cum in their hair. 1.00

01:02:27.000 They didn't know what the fuck was going on and he just got away with it over and over and over again. 1.00

01:02:31.000 And because he got away with it and because of the way people treated him, it sort of fostered this really crazy sociopathic behavior that he had. 0.99

01:02:39.000 Yeah.

01:02:40.000 Where does that stand?

01:02:41.000 Oh, he's going to jail.

01:02:42.000 Oh, he is.

01:02:43.000 Oh, yeah.

01:02:44.000 They're trying him, man.

01:02:46.000 The criminal case is going to go forward. 0.78

01:02:48.000 The judge already ruled that she had signed some shit saying that she couldn't testify against him, that she wouldn't bring charges, and that she wouldn't reveal the details of the case. 0.68

01:03:00.000 But then she did reveal the details of the case. 0.94

01:03:02.000 So you know what he did?

01:03:03.000 He sued her.

01:03:04.000 So he's suing her for going back on her deal because he paid her off.

01:03:09.000 I think he paid her like several million dollars to keep her mouth shut. 1.00

01:03:13.000 And because she is now talking about it, now he's suing her for that money back.

01:03:19.000 And the argument was that because they had made this deal, he shouldn't be able to be prosecuted.

01:03:26.000 But unfortunately for him, the deal that he had made was a verbal deal only.

01:03:30.000 There was nothing written down. 0.99

01:03:31.000 This is one of the things the judge had said, like, you gotta get this shit written down, dude. 0.99

01:03:36.000 We're going to trial. 0.99

01:03:37.000 So he's going to be charged.

01:03:39.000 And they recently announced it over the last couple of days that they're charging him.

01:03:44.000 There's a criminal case.

01:03:45.000 Oh, man. 0.77

01:03:46.000 I mean, he's an old, old man with half an eyeball.

01:03:49.000 Would that be a jury in that case?

01:03:51.000 That's a good question.

01:03:52.000 Or a judge?

01:03:53.000 I don't know.

01:03:53.000 That's a very good question.

01:03:54.000 Because you've got to wonder, being a juror up against Bill Cosby.

01:03:58.000 I don't think anybody would think that he's innocent.

01:04:00.000 At this point in time, I don't think anybody thinks he's innocent.

01:04:03.000 I think the water's completely tainted.

01:04:06.000 Except for Kanye West.

01:04:08.000 He believes it.

01:04:10.000 I think in a way, what they're doing... 1.00

01:04:11.000 Well, Chuck D. That was one of the fucking saddest shit. 0.99

01:04:15.000 Chuck D. was calling him Dr. Cosby. 1.00

01:04:18.000 Why is that?

01:04:19.000 I don't know.

01:04:20.000 Because of the show?

01:04:21.000 Was he a doctor on the show?

01:04:22.000 He's a doctor, like an honorary degree that they retracted.

01:04:27.000 So he was calling him from Public Enemy.

01:04:31.000 What is with those titles?

01:04:32.000 You know, like you're a doctor, so everywhere you go, everyone has to call you doctor.

01:04:35.000 He actually wanted people to call him Dr. Cosby.

01:04:38.000 That was one of his things. 1.00

01:04:40.000 He's a fucking weird guy, man. 0.99

01:04:41.000 I've told this story before, but I'll tell you it again just for you. 0.99

01:04:44.000 There was a show that I did in Seattle, the Seattle area, this casino, and one of the people that was working there said that Cosby used to have these people sit down before the show.

01:04:54.000 He had all the employees, like the ushers, the door people, they'd sit down and watch him eat dinner.

01:05:00.000 He would sit there and eat curry, and they had to watch him.

01:05:03.000 They'd stand in the room and watch him eat before the show.

01:05:07.000 Watch him.

01:05:08.000 Watch him eat.

01:05:09.000 That's one of those things.

01:05:10.000 He wanted people to watch him eat his curry.

01:05:11.000 So he would sit down there and eat, and they would all just stand there and say nothing.

01:05:14.000 They weren't allowed to talk.

01:05:15.000 They'd sit down there and watch him eat.

01:05:17.000 And he also had security guards tuck him in bed at night.

01:05:21.000 Like, he'd go and lay down on his bed, and he wanted them to tuck him in, shut the lights out, and leave.

01:05:26.000 Okay, let me ask you this.

01:05:26.000 Let me ask you this.

01:05:27.000 Is this the case Of just a severely fucked up individual? 0.98

01:05:31.000 Or is this the case of a relatively normal individual getting fucked up by circumstances? 0.99

01:05:38.000 Like being this super famous figure? 1.00

01:05:41.000 You're responsible for getting fucked up. 1.00

01:05:43.000 If you're a normal person and you get super famous and you become fucked up, you are responsible. 1.00

01:05:47.000 But a high percentage do, though. 0.92

01:05:49.000 Yeah, but not in that way.

01:05:50.000 That's an extreme version of it.

01:05:52.000 That's a different kind of way. 0.98

01:05:53.000 Ego might get in the way and a lot of people might trip over the dick of ego. 0.95

01:05:58.000 That's super common.

01:05:59.000 I saw when Prince died recently, I saw an infographic, I don't even know, maybe you tweeted it, about the average age of male pop stars when they die.

01:06:09.000 I don't know who tweeted it.

01:06:11.000 He was the exact age.

01:06:12.000 55?

01:06:13.000 Whatever age he was, 54, somewhere in there.

01:06:17.000 That's the average age for a male pop star.

01:06:19.000 Female wasn't too different either. 0.98

01:06:20.000 Well, his situation was he was addicted to painkillers.

01:06:24.000 Well, it just recently came out that he had...

01:06:27.000 He overdosed.

01:06:29.000 But he had been refusing treatment for AIDS as well.

01:06:31.000 Is that true?

01:06:33.000 I don't know if that's true.

01:06:34.000 Oh, really?

01:06:34.000 Yeah, let's look that up.

01:06:35.000 But I know for sure he had a hip issue, like a severe hip problem, that he'd probably need hip surgery.

01:06:41.000 He was taking pain medication, and he had overdosed on pain medication.

01:06:45.000 Yeah, yeah, no, he was definitely addicted to pain medication as well.

01:06:47.000 I just remember a story coming out shortly after.

01:06:50.000 About HIV? That he had believed that he wasn't going to take treatment.

01:06:55.000 That boy.

01:06:55.000 Prince suffered from AIDS but refused treatment as he believed God would cure him, U.S. tabloid claims.

01:07:00.000 See, that's U.S. tabloid claims.

01:07:03.000 But he was a Christian scientist, wasn't he, or a Jehovah's Witness? 0.72

01:07:07.000 Yeah, Jehovah's Witness. 0.84

01:07:08.000 And Jehovah's Witness don't use medicine, right? 1.00

01:07:12.000 Isn't that what's going on?

01:07:14.000 But wait a minute, then. 0.99

01:07:15.000 How the fuck is he taking pain pills, then? 0.99

01:07:17.000 Supposedly he was on opiates, too, so I don't think... 0.99

01:07:19.000 Well, that's pain pills, yeah.

01:07:20.000 That logic doesn't make sense, I suppose. 0.99

01:07:23.000 Well, people are just fucking convenient with their logic, aren't they? 0.99

01:07:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:07:26.000 He was a weird guy, man. 0.99

01:07:27.000 First of all, Prince was like androgynous and he was all about free love and he wore high heels, but he didn't like gay people.

01:07:33.000 Do you know one of the things that Prince... 0.95

01:07:35.000 I mean, Prince is like a known homophobe.

01:07:37.000 And one of the things that he said in a recent interview, and I hate to disparage him in his death because he was a brilliant artist and all that good stuff, but... 0.97

01:07:43.000 He was talking about how one of the problems with the world today is that God set all these rules and then, you know, people just decide they want to stick their dick in this hole or that hole and just do anything they want to do and you can't do that. 0.97

01:07:55.000 And they were asking him about gay marriage. 0.99

01:07:57.000 And, you know, he was saying that this is not what God wanted.

01:08:00.000 This is not what God asked for.

01:08:01.000 See if you can find the exact quote because it was pretty disturbing coming from a guy that you expect because of his sort of androgynous nature and how weird he was.

01:08:10.000 Yeah, do you think he's like going further in that direction because...

01:08:14.000 He's getting older?

01:08:15.000 No, no, no, no.

01:08:16.000 I meant just maybe because of his actual personal experience.

01:08:19.000 Like in a way, you know, some people, they overcompensate on one side.

01:08:24.000 Honestly, I think with Prince, based on what I've seen of his interviews, I think he was insanely sheltered because he was so famous and that he could basically say anything and nobody would disagree with him. 0.97

01:08:37.000 And he cultivated some really fucking wacky opinions. 0.78

01:08:41.000 First of all, he believed that the government was spraying things in the sky that made people fight in the ghetto. 0.98

01:08:45.000 I remember that.

01:08:46.000 I heard that interview.

01:08:47.000 Yeah, it's insane.

01:08:48.000 It was like, everybody would be fine, and then they would be spraying in the sky, and then be like, why is everybody fighting?

01:08:53.000 Why are we all fighting?

01:08:55.000 Because you're poor, and you're living in the ghetto, and there's crime, and that's just what happens in crime-riddled areas.

01:09:01.000 There's violence.

01:09:02.000 It's not the government spraying the sky.

01:09:04.000 Like, what a random thing to do. 0.97

01:09:06.000 The government just decided to spray the entire city and then hope that everybody beats the shit out of each other? 0.98

01:09:11.000 For what purpose? 0.98

01:09:11.000 Very convenient. 0.98

01:09:12.000 They have money in ambulances?

01:09:14.000 Like, where's the profit margin in this to spend millions of dollars spraying the sky with anger chemicals? 0.98

01:09:20.000 And what fucking chemicals have been proven to make people angry when you spray it from the sky? 0.98

01:09:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:09:26.000 Whiskey vapor. 1.00

01:09:27.000 They'd probably be more fucking and hugging. 0.99

01:09:30.000 I mean, what percentage of people actually get angry when they get drunk? 0.99

01:09:33.000 There's another one, because think about all the people that go to bars, right?

01:09:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:09:37.000 You get a fucking bar filled with people, you got a thousand people in there. 1.00

01:09:40.000 How many of them become angry when they're drunk? 1.00

01:09:42.000 It's not even one.

01:09:43.000 It's a small percentage.

01:09:43.000 It's a very rare thing that people get super angry and violent because they're drunk.

01:09:48.000 Most, like, I get happy.

01:09:50.000 Same.

01:09:50.000 When I'm drunk, I'm hugging and laughing.

01:09:52.000 I might get a little obnoxious, but I'm not mean.

01:09:55.000 I'm definitely not looking to start fights.

01:09:58.000 So, yeah, that's a weird one.

01:09:59.000 I think some people will say, like, hey, that guy's an angry drunk.

01:10:04.000 Some people are, yeah.

01:10:05.000 Yeah, you've heard that before.

01:10:06.000 But is that just maybe who they are all the time?

01:10:09.000 I think there's some deep-seated problems.

01:10:12.000 Yeah, and then somehow the alcohol sort of coerces it out of them, maybe?

01:10:16.000 Well, the alcohol releases your inhibitions and your anger.

01:10:20.000 What does it say?

01:10:20.000 Prince denies anti-gay rights remarks.

01:10:23.000 New Yorker stands by story.

01:10:25.000 This is from 2008. Yeah.

01:10:26.000 Yeah, but see, the problem is they quoted him.

01:10:28.000 It was like there were direct quotes.

01:10:30.000 Yeah, well, as far as this story came out, I'm assuming when he died, a lot of quotes came out of stuff he said.

01:10:35.000 And this story, which I traced back, which is when he was still alive, obviously, he came out after this story came out in the New Yorker.

01:10:41.000 He said he was grossly misquoted, and they took everything he said out of context.

01:10:45.000 Right.

01:10:45.000 They stood by their story, however.

01:10:47.000 Well, let's read the context, though.

01:10:49.000 I mean, even when you read the actual quote itself, here's the quote.

01:10:52.000 It's up a little bit higher.

01:10:54.000 There we go.

01:10:54.000 That's his response itself.

01:10:54.000 He goes, you got the Republicans, basically they want to live according to the Bible, but there's a problem with interpretation, and you've got some churches, some people basically doing things and saying it comes from here, but it doesn't.

01:11:05.000 Then you've got the opposite of the spectrum, you got blue, you got the Democrats, and they're like, you can do whatever you want, gay marriage, whatever, but neither of them is right.

01:11:12.000 Asked about his perspective on social issues, gay marriage, abortion.

01:11:16.000 Prince tapped his Bible and said, God came to earth and saw people sticking it wherever and doing it with whatever, and he just cleared it all out.

01:11:25.000 He was like, enough.

01:11:27.000 Okay. 1.00

01:11:28.000 That's hilarious because a lot of people fucked each other in the ass listening to Let's Go Crazy. 1.00

01:11:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:35.000 How many people sucked a cock because it was like, we're going to party like it's 1999, and they just said, fuck it, I'll just do ecstasy in my asshole. 1.00

01:11:45.000 I think he's sheltered, or he was sheltered, and I think he's a brilliant... 1.00

01:11:54.000 The outlier of outliers when it comes to brilliant artists.

01:11:57.000 And I think that you're by yourself too much.

01:12:01.000 You don't get to mingle.

01:12:02.000 You don't get to hang with people.

01:12:03.000 You don't have real conversations.

01:12:05.000 But that's why I say, even in the case of Bill Cosby, are we looking at a condition of the circumstance?

01:12:11.000 Because if we have this data that says, hey...

01:12:14.000 Pop stars are dying 30 years before the regular public, on average.

01:12:20.000 These people obviously have an unusual enough circumstance that it's affecting all of them the same, unless the type of people drawn to that career in the first place are already substantially different than the rest of the public.

01:12:32.000 Well, they're definitely substantially different than the rest of the public in that they've developed as an entertainer from their formative years.

01:12:39.000 I mean, Prince was an artist and a musician when he was very young.

01:12:42.000 And then when he came out with I Want to Be Your Lover, I think he was only like 20 years old or something like that.

01:12:48.000 How old was he when I Want to Be Your Lover came out?

01:12:52.000 Yeah, definitely Young. 1.00

01:12:53.000 That was a fucking jam, too. 1.00

01:12:55.000 Goddamn, that was a good song. 1.00

01:12:57.000 Because I remember I was living in Boston. 0.97

01:12:59.000 I'm 48, he was 55, so he's not that much older than me when he died.

01:13:03.000 And I was living in Boston when that song came out, and it was a jaw-dropper.

01:13:07.000 I was like, who is this guy?

01:13:08.000 With no shirt on, on the cover, trying to figure out what the hell...

01:13:12.000 Yeah, he was 20 or 21. 20 or 21. And that is a fucking beautiful song.

01:13:17.000 To this day, I'll play that song out of nowhere. 0.98

01:13:19.000 And it's just, he was an amazing artist.

01:13:22.000 So if he was that good at 20, 21, I mean, he was involved in music from the time he was a small boy.

01:13:30.000 So he developed in a very bizarre and strange way and was under the microphone at an incredibly young age.

01:13:37.000 To be that huge at 20 years old and also to be such a revolutionary guy when it came to style and fashion.

01:13:46.000 Dude, I had an overcoat when I was like 21. A long overcoat because I saw Prince with one.

01:13:51.000 I used to listen to Prince music.

01:13:52.000 I loved Prince when I was a kid.

01:13:53.000 He was so good.

01:13:54.000 He was so different and interesting.

01:13:57.000 There were so many good songs like Controversy.

01:14:00.000 You know, he had some and then also like some guys sort of like came along with him like Morris Day in the time because they were in Purple Rain They sort of came along with him and they got famous for a brief period of time, too He was amazing man.

01:14:12.000 It was amazing But I think I've always said this that I think you can't there's there's a balance in this world that you can't achieve when you achieve greatness when you achieve that kind of greatness I think it's at this at that is at the sacrifice of balance, right?

01:14:27.000 Whether it's balance in your social life or balance in your ability to have a healthy and objective perspective.

01:14:36.000 I think that's what we're seeing with Kanye West, too. 1.00

01:14:39.000 In order to really go after something and just be obsessed with it to the point of just carving out this magnificent diamond of art, you gotta be a fucking nut, man. 0.99

01:14:49.000 You gotta be Richard Pryor. 1.00

01:14:51.000 You gotta be nuts. 1.00

01:14:52.000 You gotta be out of your fucking mind to make something perfect. 1.00

01:14:56.000 And what he made was perfect. 1.00

01:14:58.000 I mean, Purple Rain is goddamn perfect. 0.96

01:15:01.000 He was perfect. 0.99

01:15:02.000 This shit that he did that you just to this day just go, God damn, he was so good that all the other stuff is probably a symptom of a lack of balance and development in his overall life that led to this incredible brilliance in his art form. 0.99

01:15:21.000 Right. 1.00

01:15:21.000 So there has to be, there has to be, you have to sacrifice, you have to take from somewhere. 1.00

01:15:25.000 Well, they say James Cameron's out of his fucking mind. 1.00

01:15:27.000 That's right. 1.00

01:15:27.000 They say James Cameron is out of his fucking mind. 1.00

01:15:29.000 And if you're on the set with James Cameron, like if someone's painting a wall, he'll fucking take the paintbrush away from you. 0.99

01:15:35.000 And he'll start doing it right. 0.95

01:15:36.000 It's gotta be like this! 1.00

01:15:37.000 Because he's a madman. 1.00

01:15:39.000 And that's why... 1.00

01:15:39.000 I mean, James Cameron made a fucking submarine and went to the bottom of the ocean with it. 1.00

01:15:43.000 You know about all that? 0.99

01:15:45.000 I heard about that.

01:15:45.000 Dude!

01:15:46.000 He was researching for the abyss or something.

01:15:48.000 He broke a world record for...

01:15:49.000 No, for his new movie.

01:15:50.000 Oh, right.

01:15:50.000 Okay.

01:15:50.000 He's gonna do Avatar 2 underwater.

01:15:53.000 This crazy fuck. 1.00

01:15:55.000 He's filming shit underwater. 1.00

01:15:56.000 I mean, he's not just like a groundbreaking guy. 0.99

01:16:00.000 He's like the groundbreaking guys are calling him up for advice because he's way ahead of everybody. 0.94

01:16:05.000 He's a maniac. 1.00

01:16:06.000 He's making a fucking submarine to film a movie. 1.00

01:16:09.000 He's breaking world records in a single man submarine. 1.00

01:16:12.000 Look at this.

01:16:13.000 This is him. 1.00

01:16:14.000 I mean, this is he fucking went to the bottom of the ocean by himself in this fucking thing that he created. 0.99

01:16:22.000 I mean, he's revolutionizing the science behind filming underwater so that he can make movies. 0.99

01:16:28.000 Do you think anybody tells him what to do? 0.98

01:16:30.000 Who the fuck could tell him what to do? 0.99

01:16:32.000 Like nobody, like none of- Nobody. 1.00

01:16:34.000 His wife better shut the fuck up too. 1.00

01:16:36.000 Everybody better shut the fuck up when James Cameron talks. 1.00

01:16:39.000 It's like when they're about to make a movie and he goes in there and it's just like they just write the check and get the fuck out of the way. 0.99

01:16:44.000 They don't even write checks. 0.92

01:16:45.000 No.

01:16:45.000 I bet he probably writes the checks and then they write a check too after it's all over.

01:16:49.000 Yeah.

01:16:49.000 I mean, he's insanely wealthy, insanely brilliant, and some of his movies are some of the greatest movies of all time.

01:16:55.000 I mean, he's just...

01:16:56.000 He just knows how to do it big.

01:16:58.000 Like, you know, there's some people that thought like Avatar was, oh, it's Pocahontas in space.

01:17:02.000 Like, stop! 0.97

01:17:03.000 Look, yes, there's iconic themes that exist in a bunch of different mediums, but that movie is fucking amazing. 0.99

01:17:09.000 And if you overthink it, and you say, oh, I've heard this all before, you know, this is fucking... 0.90

01:17:14.000 Well, I mean, you could say the same for a lot of the sort of classic stories. 0.88

01:17:18.000 But he just, he nailed this insane version of that genre.

01:17:23.000 It's like saying a rock and roll song.

01:17:25.000 Like, there's some classic rock and roll themes that you would, you'd see, if you heard of this song, yeah, well, there's like themes in songs that you just kind of accept because it's cool to hear them in songs.

01:17:37.000 And that's essentially what he's done on a grand scale in Avatar.

01:17:41.000 Yeah.

01:17:42.000 No doubt.

01:17:43.000 No dispute.

01:17:43.000 James Cameron's a badass.

01:17:45.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:17:47.000 Yeah, no doubt. 1.00

01:17:47.000 But to be that bad of a motherfucker, you gotta be crazy. 1.00

01:17:50.000 He's making four Avatar sequels. 1.00

01:17:52.000 Jesus.

01:17:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:17:54.000 You gotta be a bad motherfucker to be that. 1.00

01:17:55.000 You know, but imagine the stress. 1.00

01:17:58.000 The stress of having that project.

01:18:01.000 Yeah.

01:18:02.000 Ugh! 0.97

01:18:02.000 Yeah, of course. 0.97

01:18:03.000 Moving people around?

01:18:04.000 Oh my god, yeah.

01:18:05.000 Getting location, going to the bottom of the ocean?

01:18:08.000 And that's the only way to make a movie.

01:18:09.000 You can't make a movie by yourself.

01:18:10.000 No!

01:18:11.000 You gotta have actors, you gotta write the script, you have a guy who points the camera.

01:18:15.000 I hate the whole, all that, all the baggage, all the people.

01:18:20.000 It's a nightmare, it's weight!

01:18:21.000 That's why I'm a comedian, dude.

01:18:23.000 That's brilliant!

01:18:23.000 So simple.

01:18:24.000 Well, that's why I'm on YouTube!

01:18:25.000 Yes, so simple.

01:18:26.000 Just do whatever you want.

01:18:27.000 You want to know something?

01:18:28.000 I had a bit of a nightmare situation out here.

01:18:31.000 Out here?

01:18:31.000 Yeah, out here.

01:18:33.000 That's why I'm out here.

01:18:34.000 Well, I'm out here to be here on this show right now.

01:18:36.000 But yesterday, you know, I was on set.

01:18:40.000 I had to shoot this thing. 0.96

01:18:41.000 I'm not going to mention any brands or names, but there's like fucking a hundred people on set. 0.99

01:18:47.000 Of course. 0.98

01:18:48.000 And I mean...

01:18:49.000 You don't need them.

01:18:51.000 And then they want to try to jizz in the soup.

01:18:53.000 Yes!

01:18:54.000 Yeah.

01:18:54.000 Yes!

01:18:55.000 That's the best way to put it!

01:18:56.000 Yeah.

01:18:57.000 And it's just...

01:18:57.000 How about if you wear a different suit for every different segment?

01:19:02.000 Dude, it's like, I've made over 850 fucking product videos that millions of people choose to watch! 0.98

01:19:09.000 Choose. 0.99

01:19:10.000 Choose!

01:19:10.000 This is not one of these situations where you got to stick it in front of their face on the way to where they're going.

01:19:16.000 This is something people like. 0.99

01:19:18.000 Like, let me look at the goddamn thing and get excited about it. 0.99

01:19:21.000 Well, guess what? 0.99

01:19:22.000 Newsflash, we don't have to fake it. 0.98

01:19:24.000 They want to fake shit that doesn't need to be faked because it fits the protocol of the machine. 0.98

01:19:30.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:19:31.000 It's like, it just sucks the life out of all of it.

01:19:34.000 Like, I think...

01:19:36.000 There's this thing that happens. 0.93

01:19:38.000 I mean, granted, whatever, James Cameron's brilliant and the shit they do in Hollywood is fucking amazing and all the rest of it, but I'm in this weird situation where, like, I'm the guy. 0.84

01:19:49.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:19:50.000 I'm not acting.

01:19:51.000 Right.

01:19:51.000 I'm the guy, so if I go on this thing and I don't look like the guy, well, that's not why I'm here.

01:19:56.000 Okay, like, what are they trying to change? 0.87

01:19:58.000 Like, what are they specifically fucking with? 0.99

01:20:00.000 Oh, man. 0.99

01:20:01.000 All of it.

01:20:02.000 You name it.

01:20:02.000 All of it.

01:20:03.000 Really?

01:20:03.000 You name it.

01:20:03.000 That's so crazy.

01:20:04.000 Okay, so here's an example.

01:20:05.000 Like, when I do my videos, I want everything to be live.

01:20:09.000 Everything.

01:20:09.000 We shoot three concurrent angles.

01:20:11.000 If we catch it, we catch it.

01:20:13.000 If we don't, so be it.

01:20:15.000 That's what it was.

01:20:16.000 Right, so it's authentic.

01:20:17.000 Yeah, because I want to capture, like, you know, I feel like your relationship with a product is a lot like a relationship with another person.

01:20:23.000 Now, you guys think I'm perverted at this point.

01:20:26.000 I don't mean in that way, Joe.

01:20:27.000 Okay?

01:20:28.000 Okay, I didn't say anything, dude.

01:20:29.000 Just the way you're looking at me, right?

01:20:32.000 I look at you that way all the time.

01:20:34.000 But I'm saying it's like this process of getting to know the thing.

01:20:39.000 Well, as a person who watches you, sorry to interrupt you, but that authenticity comes through and that's one of the reasons why your videos are so compelling.

01:20:45.000 Because when you open up a video and you're checking out a new phone and you're going over the edges and you're experiencing it for the first time with the person that's watching the video.

01:20:53.000 Yes.

01:20:54.000 I want to be, you know, you, the proxy version of you.

01:20:57.000 Like, how would you engage with this thing?

01:20:59.000 And in many cases, the de facto standard for these types of videos was like a person who had, was more sort of journalistic.

01:21:10.000 They're expected to make a report on the thing.

01:21:12.000 And it's like, that's cool.

01:21:13.000 I respect that.

01:21:14.000 That's part of it too.

01:21:15.000 But at the same time, it's like it doesn't, that part of it doesn't necessarily capture the excitement associated with the thing, the oohs and the ahs, and all that kind of natural reaction, which is impossible to fake.

01:21:28.000 All the rest of it you can.

01:21:30.000 All the rest of it when it comes to like, let's do that line again because, I don't know, you didn't say the spec right, or whatever.

01:21:36.000 Like, that would be the equivalent of the situation I was in yesterday.

01:21:39.000 But it's like, I'm willing to sacrifice some of that to get the intangible stuff, which is the oohs and ahs that will never happen again, not in the same way.

01:21:49.000 You know?

01:21:49.000 Yeah.

01:21:50.000 And I agree with you.

01:21:51.000 And I think that you understand what you're doing and you understand the appeal of what you're doing.

01:21:56.000 And to sacrifice that, to polish it, to make it more professional, or to make it more...

01:22:03.000 That's actually going to lessen the appeal of it.

01:22:05.000 And that's what they don't understand.

01:22:06.000 It's a fine line. 0.99

01:22:07.000 It's like those fucking videos where people have these edits every five seconds. 0.99

01:22:11.000 They say something, there's a cut, and they say something, there's a cut. 0.99

01:22:13.000 You know that style of YouTube video?

01:22:15.000 Jump cut. 1.00

01:22:16.000 That shit is gross, man. 1.00

01:22:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:17.000 And there's a guy who did that recently. 1.00

01:22:19.000 It was a video about bow hunting.

01:22:22.000 And he's trying to do that style.

01:22:24.000 And bow hunting, which is like one of the most organic, visceral, primal things you could ever engage in as a human being. 0.99

01:22:31.000 You're going to go out and collect your food with a fucking sharp stick and a bow. 0.98

01:22:36.000 And so this guy's using this... 0.99

01:22:39.000 This common thing that you see these girls do. 1.00

01:22:42.000 And then I was like, there's got to be a better way.

01:22:45.000 Bouncing around the screen like he's in this corner?

01:22:47.000 He wasn't doing that.

01:22:48.000 He was standing right in front of it.

01:22:49.000 But the fast cuts.

01:22:51.000 There was no pauses.

01:22:53.000 It's disconcerting.

01:22:54.000 It throws you off.

01:22:56.000 That is the opposite of authentic.

01:22:58.000 Because you know that there's all these edits and those edits take you out. 1.00

01:23:02.000 Also, those edits treat you like you're a moron. 1.00

01:23:05.000 Like you're so fucking stupid, you can't even listen to a guy talk. 1.00

01:23:09.000 Your attention span is so short. 1.00

01:23:12.000 I can't listen to Louis open this VR box and go over this thing in real time and inspect the overall build factor.

01:23:21.000 To be quite honest with you, I'm kind of, you know...

01:23:24.000 I mean, you have this platform here where people sit down for hours.

01:23:28.000 You know, that's becoming not, you know, that's not the status quo on the internet.

01:23:33.000 The internet keeps chopping it in the other direction, getting shorter and shorter.

01:23:37.000 Conversation has to move faster.

01:23:39.000 You got to jump, the bow hunting guy's got to jump around the screen and so on.

01:23:43.000 And I mean, if you get obsessed with analytics and stuff, you can see like how often an average person watches for and so on.

01:23:51.000 And there's no denying the fact that people's attention spans are shrinking.

01:23:56.000 But it's like, do you want to contribute to that?

01:23:58.000 Or do you think that there's enough people that are willing to accept the alternative?

01:24:04.000 Because, you know, you've got an example here, which is unusual.

01:24:08.000 What do you think happens here that people stick around for three hours?

01:24:13.000 I never thought about it.

01:24:14.000 That's what happens.

01:24:15.000 I never thought about it.

01:24:16.000 I just said I like talking to people.

01:24:18.000 So let's record it.

01:24:19.000 Right.

01:24:19.000 You know, I mean, but man, I took a lot of heat in the beginning from people that were telling me I had to edit it.

01:24:24.000 Oh, really?

01:24:25.000 It was so many people.

01:24:25.000 Oh, my God.

01:24:25.000 It was like some of the earliest comments were like, why is this show three hours long?

01:24:29.000 This is bullshit. 0.99

01:24:29.000 No one's going to listen to three hours. 0.99

01:24:31.000 Like, even my friends were telling me this.

01:24:32.000 Like, dude, you got to edit it.

01:24:33.000 Make it an hour.

01:24:34.000 I go, why?

01:24:35.000 Really?

01:24:35.000 I go, after an hour people just shut it off.

01:24:37.000 If they don't want to watch more than an hour or listen, it was listen back then.

01:24:40.000 You don't want to listen more than an hour, just shut it off at an hour. 0.99

01:24:43.000 Who gives a fuck? 0.99

01:24:43.000 Interesting, yeah. 0.99

01:24:44.000 But it was a who gives a fuck thing. 0.99

01:24:45.000 Like, I'm going to do what I want to do. 0.99

01:24:47.000 I'm not trying to make money off this.

01:24:49.000 I'm not trying to do anything unusual.

01:24:50.000 I just like having conversations with people.

01:24:52.000 So let's bring in someone interesting and let's talk.

01:24:55.000 Because the art of conversation, just having a conversation for the purpose of having a conversation is lost in a lot of venues.

01:25:03.000 Because what you're getting instead is interviews.

01:25:06.000 You and I are friends.

01:25:07.000 We've been friends for a couple years now.

01:25:09.000 When we sit down, I'm super confident that we're just going to have fun.

01:25:11.000 And we're going to talk and we're going to have a conversation.

01:25:14.000 That's why this podcast, I left my house today and I was like, I'm going to go have fun with Lewis.

01:25:18.000 We're going to have a good conversation.

01:25:19.000 It's going to be cool because that's what I want to hear.

01:25:22.000 I want to hear people having a conversation.

01:25:24.000 And so for me, it was just a matter of, well, I'm going to have this conversation.

01:25:27.000 It gives me an opportunity to sit down with someone for three hours, which is super rare in this world.

01:25:32.000 For sure.

01:25:32.000 When do you ever get a chance to put your phone aside and just sit down and just look at a friend in the eyes and just talk about things?

01:25:40.000 Before, I mean, when I was, you know, I've been here for a couple days, and I'm telling people, okay, no, you know, Saturday, I can't hang out, whatever, I'm going to be on the podcast.

01:25:47.000 And they're like, what do you guys do to prepare for that?

01:25:50.000 And on your podcast, I'm like, no, nothing.

01:25:52.000 Like, you actually just sit down, and you just start talking.

01:25:55.000 And they're like, for how long?

01:25:57.000 For three hours?

01:25:58.000 No, come on. 0.85

01:25:59.000 How do you do it?

01:26:00.000 You know, like there's some kind of magic to it.

01:26:02.000 When it's, when as you said, it is the simplest thing.

01:26:04.000 It's like, it's like, or it's maybe it's a forgotten thing of just being able to do this.

01:26:09.000 Well, if you actually are interested in life and you find another person who's actually interested in life.

01:26:13.000 It's a great way to put it.

01:26:14.000 I think the hard part is ending it at three hours.

01:26:16.000 Is it three hours?

01:26:17.000 We haven't even talked about a million different things.

01:26:21.000 I've been watching your videos. 0.99

01:26:22.000 I've got a lot of fucking questions. 0.99

01:26:23.000 There's a lot going on in the world. 0.99

01:26:25.000 There's so much to talk about.

01:26:27.000 I don't understand people who don't have anything to say.

01:26:30.000 That, to me, is perplexing.

01:26:32.000 When someone says, like, how can you find things to talk about for three hours?

01:26:35.000 How do you not talk?

01:26:37.000 Yeah.

01:26:38.000 Well, in that sense, I think that there's kind of like a service being...

01:26:42.000 Like, it's surprising to me how many...

01:26:45.000 Like, when I'm saying, okay, I'm going to be on here and I put it on my Twitter or whatever, like, how many people, like, pumped about it?

01:26:50.000 Pumped.

01:26:50.000 Like, oh, thank God.

01:26:52.000 Amazing, right?

01:26:53.000 Like, they love the idea of it.

01:26:55.000 And for me...

01:26:59.000 Right, right, right.

01:27:14.000 Yeah.

01:27:38.000 I think what ends up happening in giving people that access is that it means more to them.

01:27:43.000 Like, you simply can't get to know somebody in a three-minute segment that you can in three hours.

01:27:48.000 It's impossible.

01:27:49.000 So what they actually end up getting here is something that matters substantially more to them.

01:27:55.000 Well, they kind of get, like, digital friendships.

01:27:57.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:27:58.000 Yeah.

01:27:59.000 I think that's exactly, I think, how it's looked at.

01:28:03.000 In a world where we realize that there is this increasingly short attention span, you wonder how much of this kind of stuff here actually replaces the real-world version of it.

01:28:15.000 If people can't be in a movie theater without being on their phones, if they can't drive without being on their phones, if we are literally building new pathways in our heads for how we look at spare time, then is this thing an alternative to that?

01:28:31.000 Is this where people get that?

01:28:33.000 Well, you know what I think a lot of people do with podcasts?

01:28:35.000 It's one of the things that I do with podcasts.

01:28:37.000 It replaced radio in my car.

01:28:39.000 Oh, for me too.

01:28:40.000 100%.

01:28:41.000 When I drive around, I don't listen to radio anymore.

01:28:43.000 I listen to different podcasts.

01:28:45.000 100%.

01:28:45.000 Like Meat Eater, Radio Lab, TED Radio Hour, all my friends like Joey Diaz's podcast and Ari's and Duncan's.

01:28:52.000 I listen to all my friends' podcasts and different people's podcasts.

01:28:56.000 I just think it's an amazing thing.

01:28:57.000 I love the fact that at a red light, you could just go to your thing, press play, find it.

01:29:03.000 Oh, there's a new episode of this out.

01:29:05.000 Boom.

01:29:05.000 Press play and it goes.

01:29:06.000 So it stimulates you when you're in your car.

01:29:09.000 It gives you interesting conversations when you're on a plane or when you're at the gym.

01:29:14.000 And it replaces a lot of traditional standard media in that way. 0.80

01:29:18.000 Also, because there's no ads, there's ads in the beginning, and if you want, you fast-forward through those fuckers, but the three hours of the podcast is totally uninterrupted. 0.94

01:29:27.000 That's unusual, though. 0.96

01:29:29.000 Well, it's my choice.

01:29:30.000 I was unwilling to do it any other way because I don't want it to be interrupted.

01:29:33.000 Did they try to get you to change it? 0.99

01:29:35.000 Fuck yeah, they still do. 1.00

01:29:36.000 Really? 1.00

01:29:36.000 Yeah, fuck you! 1.00

01:29:38.000 It's not available. 1.00

01:29:40.000 I'm just not doing it.

01:29:41.000 They want me to interrupt the middle of the conversation and go...

01:29:43.000 You know, I don't know if you know about Squarespace, Lewis, but Squarespace is a platform.

01:29:48.000 Nothing against Squarespace.

01:29:49.000 Nothing against Squarespace at all.

01:29:50.000 They're awesome.

01:29:51.000 And it wasn't Squarespace that was asking.

01:29:53.000 It's the agents that sell these things.

01:29:55.000 Of course.

01:29:56.000 They give zero fucks about the content itself, about the actual important part.

01:30:01.000 There was another thing that I had to fight with.

01:30:03.000 They were like, there's no way you're going to get ads unless they do it in the middle of the show.

01:30:06.000 I go, well, then I'm not going to have ads.

01:30:08.000 This is not my primary source of income.

01:30:10.000 So for me, this is...

01:30:12.000 A labor of love, if you will.

01:30:14.000 I mean, I want to do it correctly.

01:30:16.000 You're making me feel special here.

01:30:17.000 No, it is.

01:30:18.000 I don't have anybody on that I don't want to have on.

01:30:20.000 There's no one that tells me what to do.

01:30:22.000 There's no producer.

01:30:23.000 So if I have someone like you on or anybody, it's because I think it's going to be an interesting conversation.

01:30:27.000 I'm looking forward to having it.

01:30:29.000 That's it.

01:30:29.000 That's the agenda.

01:30:30.000 That's the whole thing.

01:30:31.000 So I'm not interrupting that.

01:30:32.000 I don't have any...

01:30:33.000 I think it's a great message.

01:30:34.000 I've got to be honest with you.

01:30:36.000 I don't think there's a lot of people out there pushing that particular message in the space I'm in.

01:30:41.000 I think, you know, especially since, particularly on the video side, on the YouTube side, it's emerging as this, like, real business, real enterprise.

01:30:49.000 Well, it's because there's so much money in it, though.

01:30:51.000 So much money in it.

01:30:52.000 It's craziness.

01:30:53.000 Yeah, it's bonkers.

01:30:54.000 Yeah.

01:30:55.000 But at the same time, there's no rulebook on it, you know?

01:30:58.000 Yeah.

01:31:01.000 Yeah.

01:31:22.000 To be empowered by knowing that you can do it.

01:31:25.000 Well, I got Steve Vernello to do it.

01:31:27.000 The Meat Eater podcast.

01:31:28.000 They don't interrupt the podcast anymore.

01:31:30.000 Oh, he used to?

01:31:31.000 They used to interrupt it.

01:31:32.000 Like, if you listen to the Dan Flores episode, there's no interruptions.

01:31:35.000 And that's what makes it good.

01:31:36.000 This is my ethic.

01:31:38.000 Number one, don't do anything.

01:31:40.000 Or do your best, obviously.

01:31:41.000 Do your best to make it entertaining.

01:31:43.000 Don't do anything that would compromise the quality of it just for profit.

01:31:48.000 And as long as you just do that.

01:31:49.000 Do your best.

01:31:50.000 Don't do anything that would compromise the quality.

01:31:51.000 I'm going to be completely honest here. 0.95

01:31:52.000 I've fucked up on a number of occasions. 0.98

01:31:55.000 Like in completing what you just said. 0.99

01:31:59.000 There are times where I get too deep.

01:32:01.000 Too deep. 1.00

01:32:02.000 And then I'm in it and I'm like, holy fuck. 1.00

01:32:04.000 This is a nightmare. 1.00

01:32:05.000 Like how so?

01:32:06.000 Well, I mean with a brand or a sponsorship or something like that.

01:32:10.000 Where it'll be like, I'll know it's a nightmare once I'm in it.

01:32:15.000 But even though I've been sold a bill of goods that isn't the thing that I actually signed up for.

01:32:19.000 It happens frequently.

01:32:22.000 I mean, I'm dealing with the biggest brands on the planet.

01:32:24.000 And they're like, yeah, it's going to be completely conversational. 0.98

01:32:28.000 You're just going to discover the goddamn thing or whatever. 0.97

01:32:30.000 And then you get there and it's like, here's your script. 1.00

01:32:32.000 And it's like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:32:34.000 Oh, so you like for a certain product, they've actually given you a script? 0.99

01:32:37.000 If you're there for a launch or something.

01:32:39.000 They give you scripts?

01:32:40.000 No, I don't read a script. 1.00

01:32:42.000 I never read a goddamn script. 0.99

01:32:44.000 But they tried to. 1.00

01:32:45.000 Exactly.

01:32:45.000 Whoa.

01:32:46.000 And what is that conversation like when you tell them no?

01:32:49.000 It's like a bunch of producers pretending that it's impossible for me to say that.

01:32:53.000 Oh, how about this?

01:32:54.000 How about them trying to change your wardrobe?

01:32:57.000 They're trying to change your wardrobe?

01:32:58.000 I'm like, dude, I've been in this hoodie forever!

01:33:00.000 I got the hat on!

01:33:01.000 Like, people know how I look!

01:33:03.000 It's this weird situation of, like, advertisers and the business side of the thing not being used to the idea of people...

01:33:14.000 Basically disrespecting the audience is what it is.

01:33:17.000 Because you're going to come at it from a respectful point of view.

01:33:20.000 I'm going to come at it from a respectful point of view.

01:33:22.000 But they're used to inserting things that nobody wants.

01:33:25.000 So they automatically assume if they're working with you that nobody wants what you're talking about in reference to that project or whatever.

01:33:33.000 So they come at it from a negative, from a guilty point of view.

01:33:36.000 As opposed to like, hey, people like this guy the way he is.

01:33:40.000 Yeah.

01:33:40.000 Leave them alone.

01:33:41.000 Right.

01:33:41.000 You know, that's what they signed up for.

01:33:43.000 Why are we trying to rewrite it?

01:33:44.000 Because they want to jizz in the soup.

01:33:45.000 That's what it is.

01:33:46.000 It's like, if you're going to have that environment, if you're going to have this situation where there's like 50 or 100 people to get this piece of content, everybody in there needs to carve out that groove for themselves, a place to fit.

01:34:00.000 Right.

01:34:00.000 And they look for some way that they can tell everybody.

01:34:05.000 Like, Lewis was going to wear that hat.

01:34:06.000 Yes!

01:34:07.000 And I told him, look.

01:34:08.000 Yes!

01:34:09.000 See, this I feel like you must have encountered.

01:34:11.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

01:34:12.000 And how do you deal with it?

01:34:13.000 Well, luckily, in the podcast, I really didn't encounter it that much.

01:34:17.000 Because I encountered it outside of the podcast and it's one of the reasons like doing Fear Factor was a big one.

01:34:22.000 Like sometimes I would show up with stubble and they'd be like, you gotta shave.

01:34:24.000 I go, why?

01:34:25.000 Why do I have to shave? 1.00

01:34:27.000 Is someone gonna watch the show and go, this motherfucker didn't shave today. 1.00

01:34:30.000 I'm changing the channel. 1.00

01:34:31.000 I'm like, stop!

01:34:32.000 Stop! 1.00

01:34:33.000 And we would have these arguments where I'd have some stubble on my face and they would tell me, you really gotta shave.

01:34:38.000 I'm like, you can't tell me how to look.

01:34:40.000 This is what I am. 0.99

01:34:41.000 Don't look ridiculous. 1.00

01:34:42.000 I don't have a fucking big dildo poking out of my forehead. 1.00

01:34:45.000 Like, there's nothing unusual about how I look. 0.99

01:34:48.000 You don't get that right. 0.98

01:34:50.000 It's really fucked up when you think about it. 0.98

01:34:51.000 Imagine, right now, if you and I were wearing makeup, looking at each other. 1.00

01:34:55.000 Right, like powder and shit. 0.99

01:34:57.000 We're like regular guys. 0.99

01:34:58.000 We're like regular guys having a conversation in makeup. 1.00

01:35:01.000 Like, that's so fucked up! 0.99

01:35:02.000 Well, let me tell you something. 0.99

01:35:04.000 There are podcasts where they put makeup on before they do the podcast.

01:35:06.000 That's a fact.

01:35:07.000 I've seen them.

01:35:08.000 I believe it.

01:35:08.000 They have a lady standing there and she'll powder your forehead.

01:35:11.000 I know.

01:35:12.000 And she'll just, I'm going to put some anti-shine on your nose. 1.00

01:35:15.000 How pissed off must people in the Hollywood makeup business be at YouTube and online media?

01:35:23.000 Well, the numbers.

01:35:23.000 When they get the numbers in, they realize you don't really have to make someone look like a cartoon.

01:35:28.000 That's right.

01:35:28.000 Yeah.

01:35:29.000 In fact, you could make the argument that if our goal is to connect with people on the other end, form these relationships, it's better to look to just in every way to be as close as you can to the real you.

01:35:40.000 Right.

01:35:40.000 Because that's how you form relationships in real life.

01:35:42.000 Unless you're never going to see people in real life.

01:35:44.000 Unless you're like one of those Instagram girls that just wear He puts filters on and takes pictures of himself. 0.90

01:35:49.000 I know a dude who does that.

01:35:50.000 I know a comedian dude who does that. 0.99

01:35:52.000 He puts filters on his fucking pictures and you look at him and you go, whoa, what's going on with your face? 1.00

01:35:58.000 You're a cartoon. 1.00

01:35:59.000 You know what that is?

01:36:00.000 That's the beauty mode.

01:36:03.000 Mmm, beauty mode.

01:36:04.000 It's on a lot of Korean devices.

01:36:07.000 Korean devices?

01:36:08.000 Specifically.

01:36:09.000 Really?

01:36:10.000 Like Samsung-type things?

01:36:11.000 Samsung-type things, LG-type things.

01:36:14.000 They have a beauty mode? 1.00

01:36:16.000 Well, you know the situation out over there.

01:36:19.000 The situation.

01:36:20.000 Well, I mean, regardless...

01:36:21.000 They do have a situation when it comes to plastic surgery.

01:36:23.000 Extreme one.

01:36:24.000 Yeah, so that's where I'm going with it.

01:36:25.000 Very bizarre.

01:36:28.000 It's, uh...

01:36:28.000 It makes...

01:36:29.000 So this beauty mode, it makes your eyes bigger.

01:36:33.000 It smoothens your skin.

01:36:35.000 It changes the color, the complexion.

01:36:37.000 It can lighten it up.

01:36:38.000 It's very bizarre, dude.

01:36:39.000 Does it only work on LG and Samsung?

01:36:42.000 Well, that's where it ships from.

01:36:43.000 I'm sure you could get an app on any phone.

01:36:45.000 But if you get, like, a Korean model, a Korean version of pretty much any flagship, that's the default camera app.

01:36:51.000 It actually is going to have beauty mode on by default.

01:36:54.000 What?

01:36:55.000 Yeah, it's going to be like...

01:36:56.000 By default?

01:36:56.000 Yeah, it can be at level 5 out of 10 potential beauty mode.

01:37:00.000 But you know you see these selfies or whatever?

01:37:02.000 It looks like the person is painted.

01:37:04.000 You've seen them, I'm sure.

01:37:06.000 There was one famous situation where that chef...

01:37:11.000 Who's the chef?

01:37:12.000 Mario Batali?

01:37:13.000 No, the one who's always yelling.

01:37:16.000 Emeril?

01:37:16.000 No, no, no.

01:37:16.000 Bam!

01:37:17.000 No, the one who's yelling at people, like, get out of my kitchen!

01:37:20.000 Gordon Ramsay?

01:37:20.000 Gordon Ramsay.

01:37:21.000 Oh, that guy.

01:37:22.000 Gordon Ramsay and the mom of the Kardashians.

01:37:26.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:37:27.000 What a combo.

01:37:28.000 So, she took the photo with the filter on.

01:37:30.000 So, they each took their own.

01:37:31.000 They each took their own, and one of them, they looked...

01:37:34.000 Oh, my God.

01:37:34.000 And so, somebody did, like, a comparison.

01:37:36.000 Oh, that's right, because she, of course, had a filter on. 0.99

01:37:39.000 Oh, big time.

01:37:41.000 Made her look like an angel.

01:37:42.000 Big time.

01:37:43.000 So, yeah, it's a good point, though.

01:37:44.000 It's like, what...

01:37:46.000 As we continue to progress into this digital realm, which one is the real you?

01:37:51.000 Well, we're hiding that reality.

01:37:52.000 We're hiding that reality with these filters.

01:37:54.000 And I think that's...

01:37:55.000 Okay, there you go.

01:37:56.000 Okay, there's hers.

01:37:57.000 Look at her face.

01:37:59.000 Look at his!

01:38:00.000 Look at his!

01:38:01.000 Okay.

01:38:02.000 That is so bizarre.

01:38:03.000 There's the reality.

01:38:04.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:38:06.000 Yeah, man.

01:38:07.000 Wow, what a difference.

01:38:08.000 Yeah, man.

01:38:09.000 Wow, she's like in a fog there.

01:38:12.000 That's so creepy.

01:38:13.000 That mode of photographing people is so creepy.

01:38:17.000 Like I said, I know a male comedian who uses that.

01:38:20.000 Well, I don't know, man.

01:38:21.000 All of it is weird.

01:38:23.000 You need to kind of, in your head, you need to set up some rules.

01:38:27.000 That's what I want to do.

01:38:28.000 We need the rule book.

01:38:29.000 We need the social media rule book.

01:38:32.000 Yeah, we definitely do.

01:38:33.000 Well, we kind of have it.

01:38:34.000 We kind of have it in a way where a person like you or I, there's a clear rule book. 1.00

01:38:38.000 We look at that and we're like, get the fuck out of here.

01:38:41.000 But it's unwritten. 0.97

01:38:42.000 It is unwritten.

01:38:42.000 I need to write it down.

01:38:43.000 Why?

01:38:45.000 You know and I know.

01:38:46.000 Everybody knows.

01:38:47.000 That's true.

01:38:47.000 It is kind of fun that way, but I feel like we could maybe save the situation.

01:38:53.000 We could say, hey...

01:38:54.000 No, you don't want to save it.

01:38:56.000 You want to leave it like that?

01:38:56.000 You want them to be able to still do that.

01:38:58.000 Yeah, that's true. 1.00

01:38:58.000 You want people to look like a fucking cartoon. 1.00

01:39:00.000 Okay, Joe. 1.00

01:39:02.000 How many times do you take a selfie before you post it?

01:39:10.000 What's your maximum?

01:39:11.000 It's not that many, man.

01:39:13.000 Come on, Joe.

01:39:13.000 Give us the truth here.

01:39:14.000 Listen, I'm a 48-year-old guy who's not that good looking.

01:39:18.000 There's not a whole lot I'm doing to make it look any better.

01:39:20.000 I mean, I might look for the best, like, smile, or, like, this one looks best.

01:39:26.000 Take a few shots.

01:39:27.000 But it's me.

01:39:27.000 Every one of them is me.

01:39:29.000 That's true.

01:39:29.000 There's no weird filters or shenanigans.

01:39:30.000 Are we capping it at some point? 0.99

01:39:33.000 Like, are we going, like, fuck, I just took... 0.99

01:39:34.000 Well, it depends on what you're trying to do. 0.99

01:39:35.000 Like, maybe you're trying to get everything in the background.

01:39:37.000 It's really dependent upon what you're trying to do.

01:39:39.000 Okay.

01:39:40.000 Okay.

01:39:40.000 But it's never more than like a couple.

01:39:42.000 You ever gone over 10?

01:39:44.000 I don't believe so.

01:39:45.000 Unless I was trying to achieve something very strange.

01:39:50.000 I love how everybody's like a fine art photographer now that we have phones.

01:39:54.000 I mean, how would I ever get to 10?

01:39:57.000 No, I don't know.

01:39:59.000 I'm kind of joking around, to be quite honest.

01:40:02.000 But I catch myself sometimes. 0.99

01:40:04.000 What the fuck am I doing here? 0.99

01:40:05.000 I'm a grown-ass man in this place here. 0.99

01:40:09.000 Like, what am I, taking angles here?

01:40:11.000 Like, you know, I kind of...

01:40:13.000 Do you do duck lips? 0.97

01:40:14.000 Ass out? 0.63

01:40:17.000 The arch? 0.99

01:40:17.000 I might break the internet, Joe. 0.99

01:40:19.000 The pussy-out arch? 0.99

01:40:20.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:40:21.000 But then I think about it.

01:40:23.000 I think, okay, if I catch myself, fairly confident guy, you know, I'm happy with myself to a certain degree. 0.97

01:40:30.000 If I catch myself at 10 or whatever the number is, How many goddamn photos are these professional Instagram girls taking before they pick one to post? 1.00

01:40:40.000 Very good point. 0.98

01:40:41.000 Could it be a hundred?

01:40:42.000 Some of them is probably shocking numbers.

01:40:45.000 And then some of them, what's really weird, because they're taking these really, like...

01:40:51.000 Supposedly clandestine photos, but, like, who's taking the photo?

01:40:54.000 Like, why are you, like, looking off in the distance whimsically like no one's around? 1.00

01:40:58.000 There's a fucking guy right there with a camera, you lying bitch! 1.00

01:41:01.000 What are we doing here? 1.00

01:41:03.000 What are we selling?

01:41:04.000 Yeah, well, you know, in the early days of Instagram, one of the unwritten rules was only phone photos.

01:41:12.000 If it didn't come off your phone, you just broke the rules of Instagram.

01:41:15.000 Oh, I didn't know there was a rule.

01:41:17.000 Again, Joe, if I had the book, you would know.

01:41:21.000 It'll be on Amazon.com.

01:41:23.000 I'll be kick-starting it, actually.

01:41:24.000 But that's crazy because that guy that sent me these wolf pictures should pull up his Instagram so we could give this guy some props.

01:41:33.000 No, no.

01:41:33.000 See, in his particular case, those obviously aren't phone photos.

01:41:36.000 Right.

01:41:36.000 And he has broken the rules.

01:41:38.000 But that rule went away a long time ago. 1.00

01:41:40.000 Everybody was like, fuck it. 1.00

01:41:41.000 Oh, it did go away. 1.00

01:41:41.000 Yeah, because photos from real cameras look amazing. 1.00

01:41:45.000 Yeah, but this...

01:41:45.000 Okay, that's...

01:41:46.000 Okay, I see what your point is.

01:41:47.000 Yeah.

01:41:48.000 Yeah, but why would there be only photos from...

01:41:51.000 Why was that a rule?

01:41:52.000 Because it's kind of like cheating.

01:41:53.000 Like, Instagram.

01:41:55.000 It should be, like, in the moment.

01:41:57.000 Oh, okay, okay.

01:41:58.000 And what you just described of, like, this model overlooking Cabo or whatever it is, like, that's not Instagram.

01:42:05.000 I mean, it is.

01:42:06.000 It is now.

01:42:07.000 But in the early days, it sure as hell wasn't.

01:42:08.000 So did people get upset when they saw a professional photography shot?

01:42:12.000 In the early days?

01:42:13.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.94

01:42:16.000 Amongst some of the tight-knit groups on there, some of the bigger photo pages that emerged, it was kind of like, hey, I built this business on the back of a stupid cell phone camera, and then some person comes in.

01:42:30.000 With all this heavy duty equipment and kind of interrupts it.

01:42:33.000 And I don't know how much of it was just them being competitive and how much of it was them believing in the ethic of it being instant.

01:42:41.000 My friend Meg has an Instagram page where it's all just Polaroids.

01:42:46.000 It's a photo of Polaroids.

01:42:47.000 A photo of a Polaroid.

01:42:48.000 Yeah.

01:42:49.000 It's kind of cool.

01:42:49.000 Yeah, that's all she does.

01:42:50.000 Or maybe she scans them.

01:42:52.000 I don't know if she scans them.

01:42:53.000 For the record, I'm not of the opinion.

01:42:56.000 Look at this guy.

01:42:56.000 This is CJM underscore photographer.

01:42:58.000 His name is Chris Montano.

01:43:00.000 And he sent us these photos of these wolves.

01:43:04.000 See that wolf down there?

01:43:05.000 That's one of the ones that he sent us. 0.99

01:43:07.000 I mean, that is a fucking amazing photograph. 0.98

01:43:10.000 Looking right at him. 0.99

01:43:10.000 Black timber wolf. 0.99

01:43:11.000 Yeah.

01:43:13.000 Oh, it says it.

01:43:14.000 He's got a promo code right now.

01:43:16.000 Promo code ROGAN. So if you go to ChrisMontano, M-O-N-T-A-N-O-J-R.com, ChrisMontanoJr.com, and use the promo code ROGAN, you get 20% off your entire purchase.

01:43:31.000 I guess he has these prints for sale, but let me pull it up so people can see it here.

01:43:37.000 Yeah.

01:43:37.000 That's amazing stuff.

01:43:39.000 I mean, I think anytime you look at a photograph and you go, how did he get that shot?

01:43:43.000 That's a good sign.

01:43:44.000 Yeah, so we're going to put these on the wall.

01:43:47.000 I'm getting tired of looking at Elvis.

01:43:49.000 Wow. 0.99

01:43:49.000 So I'm going to decorate the back wall behind me with some other shit. 0.99

01:43:51.000 And the thing is, it's made out of metal. 0.98

01:43:53.000 Yeah, he printed it on metal.

01:43:54.000 That's wild.

01:43:56.000 It's dope. 0.55

01:43:56.000 I'm a... 0.55

01:43:57.000 You know, if I had one thing that I could look at forever, like if I had only one kind of art, it would absolutely be wildlife art.

01:44:04.000 Like, wildlife art to me is the most compelling. 0.96

01:44:07.000 It's just something about, especially like predators, like eagles and wolves and bears and shit. 0.91

01:44:11.000 Did you see that video was making the rounds of, um... 0.99

01:44:14.000 Yes.

01:44:16.000 The eagle that ate the cat.

01:44:19.000 Okay, fine.

01:44:20.000 You probably tweeted it then.

01:44:21.000 I did, for sure.

01:44:22.000 It was awesome.

01:44:24.000 It's funny, when I come on here, every time I'm referencing something, I'm like, was it Joe that posted that, or was it somebody else?

01:44:32.000 But yeah, it's weird how people have that kind of...

01:44:38.000 How they have that perception of, like, nature only applies to stuff that I don't recognize.

01:44:44.000 Exactly.

01:44:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:45.000 Like, you're not a part of it.

01:44:46.000 Like an eagle eating a salmon is fine.

01:44:49.000 Yep.

01:44:49.000 But an eagle capturing a cat and feeding it to his chicks, not good.

01:44:53.000 And then they had to, I guess I was reading through the article there, and they had to say, like, oh, the cat was probably already dead. 1.00

01:44:59.000 Bullshit. 0.99

01:45:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:01.000 Bullshit. 1.00

01:45:02.000 They fucking scoop up cats all the time. 1.00

01:45:03.000 Sure, why not? 0.99

01:45:04.000 That's a lie.

01:45:05.000 Yeah, why not?

01:45:06.000 We're weird.

01:45:06.000 We have a hierarchy of animals.

01:45:08.000 And things like cats and dogs are more favorable.

01:45:13.000 That's why that Yulin Dog Festival in China is so problematic for people.

01:45:17.000 Is that dog eating?

01:45:18.000 Yeah.

01:45:19.000 Yeah.

01:45:19.000 My brother ate dog.

01:45:21.000 Yeah?

01:45:21.000 Well, he was in China here and there, and he said that there was one point where they were at a restaurant that all they had was dogs, so he was in.

01:45:28.000 Whoa.

01:45:29.000 That's all they had?

01:45:30.000 It was a dog.

01:45:31.000 It was a...

01:45:31.000 A dog restaurant.

01:45:33.000 Like Kentucky Fried Chicken, but dogs.

01:45:36.000 Kentucky Fried Dogs.

01:45:37.000 There you go.

01:45:38.000 But anyway, I don't know.

01:45:39.000 It's problematic.

01:45:41.000 I think it comes back maybe full circle to the whole way that we started this conversation, just about people, whatever's convenient.

01:45:48.000 You want to compartmentalize certain things.

01:45:50.000 That's the way that's going to be.

01:45:51.000 And it's not...

01:45:53.000 Yeah, and it's a similar thing with the coyotes and me seeing a wolf here, and it's like, whoa!

01:45:58.000 Right! 0.98

01:45:58.000 You get this reset of like, holy shit. 0.98

01:46:01.000 That's a natural animal. 0.99

01:46:02.000 You feel small.

01:46:03.000 And probably you even more so, because you actually go out in the wilderness and whatnot, go hunting and whatnot.

01:46:07.000 I mean, it's a humbling experience, I assume.

01:46:10.000 It's very humbling.

01:46:11.000 It's very psychedelic.

01:46:12.000 People think that that sounds crazy, like going out to kill an animal is psychedelic.

01:46:16.000 But what's psychedelic about it is...

01:46:18.000 It's boundary dissolving in that you enter into a truly wild world, and there is these large animals that live in this wild world, and you feel their world.

01:46:29.000 There's no cell phone service out there.

01:46:32.000 You're in the woods with the trees and the animals, and you're a part of this natural environment for a very brief time.

01:46:38.000 And people are like, well, why would you want to go there and kill those animals and this?

01:46:42.000 There's all these weird arguments that you could have back and forth about this, these conversations that you could have about whether or not it's okay to kill these animals.

01:46:51.000 I've made these conversations with myself, believe me.

01:46:53.000 Before I started hunting for the first time, my thought was, I'm either going to go hunting, and I'm going to never eat meat again, I'm going to become a vegan, or I'm going to be a hunter.

01:47:03.000 And I decided to be a hunter.

01:47:04.000 And one of the reasons why I decided to be a hunter is, I realized I don't like factory farming, I think it's fucked up, I think the way we get our food... 0.51

01:47:11.000 I think we've made a huge mistake.

01:47:14.000 It's a great decision, but a huge mistake at the same time, in that we've all...

01:47:20.000 We've decided to live in these gigantic urban areas.

01:47:23.000 And these urban areas, that becomes our natural world.

01:47:26.000 And in that natural world, we don't see tigers.

01:47:28.000 We don't see wolves.

01:47:30.000 We don't see bears.

01:47:30.000 We don't see these animals.

01:47:32.000 So our association with these animals is very unnatural.

01:47:36.000 Our world consists of streets and cars and buildings and elevators.

01:47:40.000 And that's our natural world.

01:47:42.000 That's the natural world that we live in. 0.87

01:47:44.000 When you go out into the woods and you see the actual natural world, the tooth, fang, and claw natural world, and you find mountain lion shit that has hair in it, and you look around and you see an elk at the top of a ridge, 0.98

01:48:00.000 and he's trying to fuck all these other cow elk and trying to fight all these bulls that are coming in. 0.98

01:48:06.000 Last time I was elk hunting, they had found a dead elk that had been killed by another elk. 0.99

01:48:11.000 This thousand pound animal that died because this other animal with fucking a tree grown out of its head speared it in the side and killed it. 0.99

01:48:20.000 I mean it's really wild to see like these things kill each other so they can fuck. 0.99

01:48:25.000 And you're out in that world, and when you do, it makes everything seem... 0.99

01:48:32.000 The whole predator-prey experience seems very intensified.

01:48:38.000 Like, your connection to your food is very intense.

01:48:42.000 The whole thing is like...

01:48:44.000 And also, from a wildlife management standpoint, what we're talking about with Lyme disease, the reason why they have Lyme disease is because they have too many deer.

01:48:53.000 They have too many deer.

01:48:54.000 They have these ticks. 0.97

01:48:55.000 These ticks get on these deer.

01:48:56.000 They develop this disease, and these ticks get onto people.

01:48:59.000 And it's because of an overabundance of deer, the overpopulation. 0.99

01:49:03.000 They could nip that shit in the bud if they could figure out how to dwindle down the population of deer. 0.99

01:49:08.000 Hmm. 0.99

01:49:08.000 When you have too many animals, too many game animals, too many wild animals, and the balance gets overrun, whether it's too many wolves or too many bear or too many deer, wildlife biologists understand what the correct numbers are in order to keep that harmony. 0.99

01:49:25.000 And you have two options.

01:49:26.000 Option number one, hunters.

01:49:28.000 They pay money.

01:49:29.000 They go out there.

01:49:31.000 And the money from those tags is responsible for the protection of these wildlife areas, protection of habitat, or option number two, they hire snipers.

01:49:40.000 They hire people to go out there and kill these animals, and that's what they're doing in Zimbabwe with lions.

01:49:45.000 They're killing 200 lions, rather, this year because they have so many lions now because of what happened with the dentist.

01:49:53.000 Where the dentist went over and shot Cecil the lion and became this big thing.

01:49:57.000 Well, they had a control of their population.

01:49:59.000 They had this sort of ecosystem balanced out.

01:50:03.000 And the hunters got scared.

01:50:04.000 The hunters got scared.

01:50:05.000 They moved off.

01:50:07.000 They don't go there anymore.

01:50:08.000 And so now they have all these lions that are destroying this undulate population.

01:50:12.000 So they made a wildlife biologist decision to go in there and kill 200 lions to lessen the impact on the undulates.

01:50:20.000 Yeah.

01:50:20.000 And in North America, they do that with bears, they do that with mountain lions in most states.

01:50:25.000 They figure out what is the healthy number where all these animals can coexist.

01:50:30.000 Yeah, well, it's one thing to have an opinion on that matter, and it's a different thing to actually have exposure and then maintain that opinion.

01:50:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:39.000 It's one thing to be on Twitter, sitting on your couch, Watching TV saying a couple words about how you think about the planet, the wilderness, and so on.

01:50:50.000 But to maintain that perspective when you're actually in it, I would have to believe and speculate that that's a difficult thing to do.

01:50:58.000 Well, there's a deep respect that comes and a deep love for an animal that is going to sustain you and feed you.

01:51:06.000 The thing about it is these animals, they're not going to live forever if you don't do that.

01:51:11.000 Their life is incredibly brutal and incredibly short.

01:51:14.000 And what you're doing as a hunter is you're going into that world and you're dipping your toes into it for a brief amount of time, a week or whatever it takes to find an animal.

01:51:22.000 And then that animal's gonna feed you for months.

01:51:24.000 And to me, it's so much more ethical than buying it from a store.

01:51:29.000 I mean, that can't even be argued.

01:51:31.000 Yeah.

01:51:31.000 But from a vegan perspective, like, they don't want anything to die, they want everything to live forever, but it doesn't work that way.

01:51:37.000 Because first of all, if you don't shoot animals, If you don't control bear populations, the bear are going to decimate the moose population.

01:51:45.000 They're going to decimate the deer population.

01:51:47.000 They eat all the calves.

01:51:48.000 They eat all the fawns.

01:51:49.000 That's just what they do.

01:51:50.000 That's what they've always done.

01:51:51.000 Not only that, they go and they eat each other.

01:51:53.000 Bears are all cannibals. 0.79

01:51:54.000 I mean, there's a massive amount of cannibalism in the bear world.

01:51:58.000 They eat cubs.

01:51:59.000 It's one of the first things that males do when they come out of hibernation. 0.99

01:52:03.000 And if you don't control their populations, they will do that to every fucking thing that's out in the woods. 0.99

01:52:09.000 And the only thing that can control their population is another predator. 0.99

01:52:12.000 And the only predator for bears is people.

01:52:14.000 That's it.

01:52:15.000 And the people will go, what about people?

01:52:17.000 People are overpopulated, man. 1.00

01:52:18.000 Why don't you fucking shoot people? 1.00

01:52:20.000 Why don't you kill yourself? 1.00

01:52:21.000 How about I start with you, you fuck? 1.00

01:52:22.000 Sounds about right. 1.00

01:52:23.000 You non-human loving fuck. 1.00

01:52:25.000 Yeah, I mean, life eats life. 1.00

01:52:28.000 And that is a weird reality.

01:52:30.000 I think there's a part of it, though, the complicated part of it is that obviously everybody can't Exactly.

01:52:38.000 Well, that is true, but that doesn't mean that everybody can't survive on the amount of money that you make every year.

01:52:45.000 It doesn't mean you should give up that money, because everybody can't make the amount of money that you make.

01:52:50.000 Why are you singling me out here?

01:52:51.000 I'm just saying, for anybody.

01:52:53.000 Look, if you make more than $35,000 a year, you're in the top 1% of the world.

01:52:56.000 We live in a very strange time.

01:52:58.000 I just mean, I think some people's perspectives are formed by, in some ways, their capabilities.

01:53:04.000 If all they ever knew was going to McDonald's or whatever...

01:53:08.000 It's a hard thing to break.

01:53:09.000 It is a hard thing to break, and it's a hard thing to recognize that it can't...

01:53:13.000 Well, people say it's not sustainable for the entire population.

01:53:16.000 Well, I'm not the entire population.

01:53:17.000 Not only that, what we're doing is not sustainable for the entire population of the world.

01:53:21.000 Personally, I don't know.

01:53:21.000 I'm kind of optimistic about it.

01:53:23.000 I don't know if it's sustainable or not sustainable.

01:53:24.000 Hunting is not.

01:53:25.000 There's not enough animals.

01:53:27.000 There's just not.

01:53:28.000 You gotta farm them.

01:53:29.000 Yeah, I mean, if you wanted to eat the way people eat today, there has to be some sort of farming going on if you want to eat the amount of meat.

01:53:35.000 And people find that problematic, and that's for a good reason.

01:53:39.000 They're right.

01:53:39.000 Is there a way to do the farming part better?

01:53:41.000 Maybe.

01:53:42.000 There certainly is.

01:53:43.000 But there's also problems with just eating vegetables.

01:53:47.000 Just eating vegetables, first of all, displaces massive amounts of wildlife.

01:53:51.000 Second of all, when you buy grain, you are responsible indirectly for the death of thousands of animals.

01:53:57.000 There's just no way around it.

01:53:58.000 Those combines are indiscriminate, and they grind up deer fawns and rabbits and rats and mice and groundhogs and everything else.

01:54:06.000 Then, on top of that, pesticides.

01:54:08.000 Yeah.

01:54:09.000 You know, I mean, unless you're buying absolute organic where there's no pesticides used, you're for sure going to be responsible for the death of millions of bugs.

01:54:18.000 If you live in a house, you display, you know what I mean? 0.98

01:54:20.000 Like, everybody's fucking with animals. 0.98

01:54:22.000 And on top of that, there's some very real and compelling evidence that plants have a level of intelligence. 0.98

01:54:29.000 We don't want to think of them as sentient because they can't communicate with us.

01:54:33.000 They don't say anything to us like, ow, don't chop me down, it hurts.

01:54:36.000 But they communicate with each other.

01:54:38.000 There's something that plants do.

01:54:40.000 Now this is a crazy thing that they found with giraffes, that the plants that giraffes eat, if they're downwind, so like if the giraffes are eating this plant and the wind from the plant they're eating goes downwind and catches these other plants, the plants will change the chemical composition of their leaves and become more bitter,

01:55:00.000 making them less attractive to predation.

01:55:03.000 So they're communicating with each other. 0.99

01:55:05.000 It's like telepathic shit right there. 0.96

01:55:07.000 I don't remember what planet was that does that, but they have proven that plants do calculations, that plants are doing some kind of strange mathematics, that they're communicating with each other. 0.98

01:55:19.000 They know when other plants are being chopped down. 0.93

01:55:22.000 There's some shit going on with life, and we don't have the capability to understand dolphins, okay? 0.98

01:55:29.000 We don't know what they're saying. 0.98

01:55:30.000 When dolphins communicate with each other, they have a complex language, they have dialects, they sound differently in different parts of the world, they recognize each other, they have a very bizarre way of communicating that we have not been able to decipher.

01:55:43.000 But we recognize that it's going on because it's close enough to our own kind of communication that we say, oh, these things are smart and they're talking to each other.

01:55:52.000 Well, there's something going on with plants, too.

01:55:55.000 And this is a recent thing where the science behind it is starting to catch up, where it's emerging, where they're doing these tests and they're running these numbers and they go, look...

01:56:05.000 They're not wooden in the sense that it's not...

01:56:08.000 You're not talking about a rock.

01:56:10.000 A living plant has some sort of awareness.

01:56:14.000 There's something going on.

01:56:16.000 And different ones have more awareness.

01:56:18.000 And there's some sort of communication through the actual...

01:56:21.000 Actually, ecology of the ground.

01:56:24.000 I mean, the ground itself is a living thing.

01:56:27.000 Dirt itself is some sort of an organism.

01:56:30.000 Like a person is.

01:56:33.000 Like a person is an ecosystem.

01:56:35.000 We are responsible for the lives of Untold trillions of bacteria that live inside of us, right?

01:56:43.000 Well, it's the same thing can be said of the dirt itself.

01:56:45.000 The dirt itself is some sort of a strange balanced ecosystem, right?

01:56:49.000 Where worms and bacteria and all of these different funguses and all these different life forms all exist together and then the plant feeds off of those life forms and the plant in some respects It relies on the death of biological things like mammals and rats and bugs.

01:57:08.000 It relies on them for the very nutrients that it needs to make a plant in the first place.

01:57:13.000 It's all very, very complex and deep.

01:57:16.000 It's all connected.

01:57:18.000 And to deny that you're eating life, some strange life form, when you're having a salad is the height of convenience.

01:57:26.000 There's nothing wrong with eating a salad, but I don't think there's anything wrong with eating an elk steak either.

01:57:32.000 Life is consuming life, and it's just more obvious when you shoot an animal and you're there when it dies.

01:57:39.000 What about when humans find a way to grow meat in a lab?

01:57:46.000 It's gonna be very interesting, and they're kind of there right now.

01:57:48.000 Yeah, I remember reading something about They had the meat ready to go, but they couldn't actually consume it because the governing body or whatever for food and beverage or whoever the hell it is said that it would be illegal to consume it.

01:58:04.000 For some reason, again, probably some food lobby or something. 0.98

01:58:08.000 But theoretically, right, we could find a way to manufacture all this shit. 1.00

01:58:13.000 100%. 1.00

01:58:14.000 Yeah, we can.

01:58:15.000 There's gonna be a way one day.

01:58:16.000 And then what do we do?

01:58:17.000 What do we do with wildlife then?

01:58:19.000 Good question.

01:58:19.000 Well, here's a better question.

01:58:21.000 What do we do when we have robot fuck dolls and there's no need to date? 0.99

01:58:25.000 What happens when... 0.99

01:58:26.000 I don't think we're that...

01:58:27.000 I think we're already there.

01:58:28.000 We're pretty close. 0.99

01:58:29.000 Because, I mean, it's not a robot fuck doll, but you have porn already, which many people consider to be one of the sort of... 0.99

01:58:41.000 Building blocks. 0.99

01:58:42.000 That's what I was looking for.

01:58:43.000 Building blocks of the web.

01:58:44.000 Like the reason that the web was adopted or VHS or DVDs or whatever.

01:58:50.000 HTML5. It all goes the way of porn.

01:58:52.000 When porn adopts that, everything else goes along with it.

01:58:54.000 The sort of fundamental needs that people have and so on.

01:58:58.000 And so...

01:58:59.000 Yeah, man.

01:59:00.000 You have to wonder how disconnected from other people we can get as this stuff continues to improve.

01:59:06.000 We were looking earlier at this HoloLens development kit.

01:59:10.000 I was recently playing with the HTC Vive, which is probably the VR headset to get right now.

01:59:16.000 And it's like, man...

01:59:18.000 These experiences are getting closer.

01:59:22.000 And you look at the camera that Facebook just came out with.

01:59:25.000 I don't know.

01:59:25.000 It's like $60,000.

01:59:27.000 Facebook buying Oculus has to be one of the creepiest things on the planet.

01:59:32.000 To know that they see where that's going and that they were interested in that.

01:59:37.000 And what their sort of agenda and objectives are currently.

01:59:40.000 Well, virtual communities.

01:59:41.000 That's what's going to happen.

01:59:43.000 We're all going to be able to sync up together in some virtual place.

01:59:45.000 Right.

01:59:45.000 And we'll all be, like, low-calorie takers at that point.

01:59:49.000 We're all going to look like Asian supermodels with big tits. 1.00

01:59:51.000 That's what we're going to be. 0.98

01:59:52.000 We're going to go there, and we're all going to, like, sync up with each other. 0.99

01:59:54.000 And we're probably going to be able to fuck each other in some sort of a virtual environment. 0.99

01:59:58.000 Yeah, it's a total recall, man. 0.99

01:59:59.000 But the thing is, it's actually...

02:00:01.000 And Tonetta's going to be playing. 0.99

02:00:02.000 Got a really, really, really, really, really nice cock. 0.97

02:00:05.000 The physiology part of it is only part of the conversation. 0.99

02:00:10.000 There's also the psychological part in that.

02:00:12.000 For the most part, I feel like...

02:00:16.000 There's a trade-off.

02:00:17.000 I feel like women in my life make me different than I would be if they weren't in my life. 1.00

02:00:21.000 And in many ways, I think they make me a more moderate person.

02:00:27.000 Like, about the way I think about a lot of things. 1.00

02:00:29.000 Because you want to fuck. 1.00

02:00:30.000 And you want them to like you. 1.00

02:00:32.000 That's what it is, right?

02:00:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:00:33.000 Whatever the reasoning is, the biological part pulls you in, but then there's a psychological aftermath of you now being a different person because of the moves you made in the first place.

02:00:45.000 And then there's the compromise.

02:00:46.000 You have to figure out how much do you compromise. 1.00

02:00:48.000 Like, do you become some sort of hen-pecked bitch? 1.00

02:00:50.000 Yes. 1.00

02:00:50.000 Because we know a lot of guys that are hen-pecked bitches because they've given in to the aggression of their mate. 1.00

02:00:55.000 Like, their mate is the dominant one in the relationship. 0.99

02:00:58.000 You know, I have a relative like that.

02:01:00.000 I have an uncle like that. 0.98

02:01:01.000 I just got a wife that just runs the ship and everybody just gets the fuck out of the way. 0.51

02:01:04.000 So part of me worries, though, that, like, in the absence of those interactions, what happens to the psyche of...

02:01:13.000 Males and females now just kind of allowed to bathe in their own perspective over and over and over again and never have to make those adjustments and never have to make those compromises.

02:01:25.000 Because historically, that hasn't really been a good sign. 1.00

02:01:29.000 You send a bunch of guys into jail without any females or you send them off to war without any females, they become fucking savages pretty goddamn quickly. 0.99

02:01:38.000 So is that what's going to happen? 0.99

02:01:40.000 Is the digital onslaught going to create some kind of hyper-aggressive male?

02:01:45.000 It may do the opposite.

02:01:47.000 Oh.

02:01:48.000 It may do the opposite because all of your sexual needs would be satisfied so easily.

02:01:53.000 All the time.

02:01:53.000 So easily that you'll be satiated.

02:01:56.000 So your need for sex is not going to be there anymore.

02:02:00.000 So maybe your need for posturing and aggression won't be there anymore because the need for you to be preferable to the other men.

02:02:08.000 You don't have to posture.

02:02:09.000 You don't have to peacock. 1.00

02:02:11.000 And if you could just put on your Facebook virtual reality headset and go fuck the Asian supermodel in another dimension, why would you be a dick? 1.00

02:02:19.000 I'm with you on that. 1.00

02:02:20.000 But what about never having to compromise?

02:02:23.000 That's a problem. 0.98

02:02:24.000 See, because we talked before about all these people that suck because they want to control everything about their lives. 0.99

02:02:31.000 Right. 0.98

02:02:31.000 Because they don't want to interact with people. 0.98

02:02:33.000 It's all got to be their way. 0.99

02:02:34.000 What the fuck is this lineup? 0.99

02:02:35.000 What the fuck is this car in front of me? 1.00

02:02:37.000 What the fuck is this and that? 1.00

02:02:38.000 They want to complain about everything. 0.99

02:02:39.000 I want to sue this person over here and do this over there.

02:02:41.000 And in an environment where we take that a step further, and now we never compromise for other people, when we do emerge from Our headset world, what is our personality?

02:02:53.000 It's a good question because what is our personality based on?

02:02:56.000 Most of our personality is based on the long-running equation of your life.

02:03:02.000 All the interactions you've ever had with other people and how they've reacted to you and how you've adjusted your personality accordingly.

02:03:08.000 Yes, there's a cool...

02:03:09.000 This is reminding me of something.

02:03:11.000 There's a cool channel on YouTube called Smarter Every Day.

02:03:14.000 I don't know if you've ever seen it.

02:03:15.000 No, never heard of it.

02:03:15.000 Okay.

02:03:16.000 It's a guy, he's a scientist, and he does these videos that sort of, I don't know, attacks sort of everyday things that might seem obvious, but then breaks them down a little bit.

02:03:27.000 Anyway, he did a video about a bicycle.

02:03:30.000 And what happened was, this was a bicycle that had a gear in the steering.

02:03:35.000 So that left was now right, and right was now left.

02:03:39.000 Oh, I can't remember this.

02:03:40.000 Maybe you've seen this before.

02:03:41.000 And what he did was, he took this bicycle around to various talks that he was giving at different universities and stuff.

02:03:49.000 And he made a bet to people in the audience, I bet you $100 that nobody in here can ride this bike.

02:03:55.000 And of course, every time he got somebody coming up going, I can do it easily, whatever.

02:03:59.000 They get on the bike, they couldn't pedal it once.

02:04:01.000 Even though they're completely aware of what change has been made to it.

02:04:05.000 And so he spent six months before he could actually get down the street on this bike that was reversed.

02:04:12.000 And what he talks about in the video is about how he has...

02:04:16.000 The pathways that he had created in his mind for how to ride a bike...

02:04:21.000 We're very difficult to rewrite.

02:04:24.000 Once they're in there, they're in there.

02:04:26.000 And so he did an experiment where he took his eight-year-old, I want to say, who had just recently learned how to ride a bike the right way, gave him the same bike, and in a couple of weeks he had it down.

02:04:36.000 The kid could ride either bike.

02:04:38.000 He could ride the reverse bike or the regular bike.

02:04:41.000 And so he was building this kind of...

02:04:45.000 Perspective that like but potentially when it comes to language when it comes to learning when it comes to everything that the absence of those Pathways for young people actually makes them more Flexible yeah a greater ability to change their way of thinking right on a more frequent basis Because he was looking big picture at it and the funny thing is when he went back To go back to the regular bike.

02:05:09.000 He couldn't ride the regular bike Hmm Wow That doesn't make any sense. 0.83

02:05:14.000 Maybe he's retarded. 1.00

02:05:16.000 That's possible. 0.92

02:05:17.000 I doubt it, though.

02:05:17.000 He's a really smart guy.

02:05:19.000 I doubt it, though.

02:05:19.000 He might just be uncoordinated.

02:05:22.000 I would like to see the same thing with athletes.

02:05:25.000 We're getting you the bike, Joe.

02:05:26.000 I would like to see the same thing with an athlete.

02:05:28.000 That they could figure it out?

02:05:29.000 Well, they might have a better understanding of how their body works.

02:05:32.000 It's true.

02:05:32.000 I don't think that...

02:05:33.000 I don't know how critical the test was.

02:05:36.000 I think he had a number of test subjects.

02:05:38.000 Yeah, because I just feel like it's like a boat.

02:05:40.000 You know, like when you're steering a boat, if you want to go right, you turn the rudder left.

02:05:46.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:05:47.000 Like if you have an outboard motor behind you and you want to go to the right, you have to go like that.

02:05:51.000 Conceptually, it makes complete sense.

02:05:53.000 It's the fact that it's actually...

02:05:55.000 There it is.

02:05:56.000 It's actually not the fact that you don't know how it's working.

02:05:59.000 It's the fact that you keep triggering back into that state of mind of riding a bike.

02:06:04.000 And when you're riding a bike, you're not thinking about riding a bike.

02:06:07.000 You're just riding it.

02:06:10.000 Yeah.

02:06:10.000 You can watch a bunch of people fail in the actual video.

02:06:15.000 Well, it makes complete sense because pathways that you've developed are incredibly difficult to break.

02:06:20.000 And one of the things that when I was teaching martial arts I found was it's way easier to teach a person who has no martial arts experience whatsoever than a person who studied a different style.

02:06:37.000 Yeah.

02:06:54.000 I feel like if the black belt had bad technique and bad form and bad Bad mechanics if I could watch the two of them progress over a few years Eventually the white belt would surpass the black belt and move forward and be able to reach their full potential where the black belt with bad mechanics even though they might know how to fight good or Because they might know what they can do and even though what they're doing is not optimized with the most effective technique They know what how it works and how it fits 0.96

02:07:25.000 in the language of the community Like I think fighting is kind of like a language and even with like your shitty words and your bad grammar You could still form a sentence and still talk and communicate with people that's similar to the articulation of a real polished Technical martial artist versus a person with like a very limited vocabulary with street knowledge The person with the polished vocabulary will be able to express themselves more clearly.

02:07:48.000 And expressing yourself is what you're actually doing when you're fighting.

02:07:52.000 That's a really cool way to look at it. 0.99

02:07:53.000 So the person who starts out with nothing is better off than the person who starts out with shit technique. 0.98

02:08:00.000 Unless the person who starts out with shit technique is super open-minded And has no ego and is willing or has very good control of the ego and is willing to try to completely learn everything from scratch and not go into it saying, hey, I'm already black belt. 0.99

02:08:15.000 I already know my shit. 0.99

02:08:16.000 Right. 1.00

02:08:17.000 Yeah.

02:08:17.000 Which most people do.

02:08:18.000 It's an interesting topic.

02:08:20.000 I think it applies across the board, to be quite honest.

02:08:22.000 You know, I started working with a couple people for my channel.

02:08:27.000 I have an editor now.

02:08:28.000 He's a guy who I've known for a long time, but he doesn't have a background in editing at all.

02:08:34.000 He didn't have any kind of preconceived notions of what these videos should look like, but I liked that when he came in because I was like, you know, I can kind of...

02:08:43.000 Finesse this idea of how I want things to look and how I want them to be and he can kind of learn Starting with this These parameters the ones that you know as opposed to somebody coming in who would have been like a professional in the space And I think that particular perspective is something that a lot of startups are are doing as well when it comes to hiring new people is it's like are you hiring?

02:09:06.000 Are you hiring a person and their skill set?

02:09:08.000 Or are you hiring a personality?

02:09:10.000 Are you hiring potential?

02:09:11.000 And what is the difference in each of those decisions?

02:09:14.000 Sure, if you hire a professional, probably you're going to be able to snap your fingers and be achieving things immediately.

02:09:20.000 But in the end, is that person as capable of flexing and floating along with the needs of that business over time?

02:09:27.000 That's a good point.

02:09:28.000 And also, do they come into that business with a preconceived notion of what their future is going to be based on, like, I'm going to move from here to there, and then I'll get a corner office, and then blah, blah, blah.

02:09:38.000 And they have this idea already mapped out in front of them.

02:09:40.000 And then when things aren't that way, they maybe be disappointed or don't know how to react.

02:09:45.000 Yeah, this is the equivalent of the bicycle pathway thing, but mapped out in a different scenario.

02:09:50.000 But it gets me thinking about myself, too, in what are my pathways that I can't break in thinking about subject matter in looking at the way I behave.

02:10:02.000 Because I feel like not being able to ride the bike the other way is the perfect example of...

02:10:08.000 How we treat a lot of things.

02:10:10.000 I think our perspective should always be floating.

02:10:13.000 We should always be able to – in politics and stuff, they're always talking about that guy, he flip-flopped.

02:10:19.000 He used to say that.

02:10:20.000 Now he says this.

02:10:21.000 Well, isn't that normal?

02:10:22.000 Isn't that life?

02:10:23.000 Well, flip-flopping in politics is hilarious.

02:10:26.000 Because it's the one part of life where you're supposed to have a preformed decision by the time you enter into public office.

02:10:33.000 And it never changes.

02:10:34.000 That's right.

02:10:34.000 You can't evolve.

02:10:35.000 It's weird.

02:10:36.000 As a society, it seems that we value, for some reason, a person who doesn't change their opinion.

02:10:42.000 When in reality, it should be the other thing.

02:10:44.000 Well, also, some of these opinions, it's not like murder is bad.

02:10:48.000 You know what I mean?

02:10:49.000 I mean, they're complex issues that require a lot of consideration.

02:10:53.000 Yes.

02:10:54.000 Especially when it comes to things about maybe the economy or things about what shouldn't be a crime.

02:11:01.000 Is it actually a crime to make people prisoners?

02:11:06.000 Is that more of a crime than selling drugs?

02:11:09.000 What is the crime here?

02:11:11.000 It should be dynamic.

02:11:12.000 And it always has been dynamic.

02:11:14.000 That's the thing.

02:11:14.000 But I don't know what it is exactly that holds it back.

02:11:18.000 Also, I think it's a fine line because on the other side of it, if a person's bouncing around from day to day on how they feel about something, it could be a fucking nightmare as well. 0.95

02:11:25.000 Well, then they shouldn't be a leader. 0.97

02:11:27.000 Yeah.

02:11:27.000 I mean, that's sort of the problem.

02:11:28.000 I even mean in your life, in a relationship.

02:11:30.000 Of course.

02:11:31.000 Yeah.

02:11:32.000 It's like there's this groove somewhere in the middle of committing to certain things but being open-minded about others.

02:11:38.000 It's kind of a balance to it.

02:11:39.000 Well, isn't that the case with pretty much everything in life?

02:11:42.000 That life really doesn't have a whole lot of real solid black and whites.

02:11:46.000 That there's a lot of room for consideration.

02:11:48.000 There's a lot of variables that you're managing on a daily basis when it comes to many things in life.

02:11:54.000 Definitely.

02:11:55.000 And that's why a lot of things, when you look at them and you go, ooh, well, okay, there's a lot of ways to look at this.

02:12:00.000 And when someone wants to come at it from a real hard black or white perspective, that usually is either someone with a deep agenda or someone who doesn't have a considered nuanced perspective of the subject at hand.

02:12:13.000 It's one of the most...

02:12:15.000 It's one of the most frustrating things about living a substantial part of my life on the internet is that, and I don't know if we talked about this previously or not, but it's this idea of everybody having kind of a microphone.

02:12:29.000 Everybody being able to blast out their kind of perspective.

02:12:35.000 I don't like the comment section on YouTube.

02:12:37.000 And my comments are not that bad, okay?

02:12:40.000 But I don't like the way it works.

02:12:42.000 The idea that you could create this video, put all this effort into it, formulate a perspective, and then everybody's gonna scroll to the top comment, and this dude put in what?

02:12:56.000 10 seconds?

02:12:57.000 A knee-jerk reaction, and he gets to occupy that real estate?

02:13:00.000 I don't like it.

02:13:01.000 I think there's a better way to do that.

02:13:03.000 What is the better way?

02:13:06.000 I think...

02:13:08.000 The person who published the thing has to have a little bit more control over...

02:13:13.000 Kind of like in a forum, traditionally, how you could have moderators who had certain abilities that others didn't.

02:13:19.000 You should be able to promote people in your community to be kind of the authority figures.

02:13:24.000 Just like everything else you have to manage in life when it comes to people.

02:13:26.000 But isn't that censorship in a lot of ways?

02:13:28.000 I mean...

02:13:29.000 No!

02:13:29.000 I don't think it's censorship...

02:13:30.000 You have the option to not have comments.

02:13:32.000 Okay, but that's not a good look.

02:13:34.000 It's not a good look?

02:13:34.000 No!

02:13:35.000 You have comments turned off...

02:13:38.000 You're a feminist. 1.00

02:13:39.000 Yeah.

02:13:40.000 If I come to your video and you have comments turned off, I'm like, oh, I get it.

02:13:43.000 I get it. 1.00

02:13:44.000 You're probably talking bullshit. 0.99

02:13:46.000 Because you're not even willing to have anybody say anything here. 1.00

02:13:49.000 Well, they can say it.

02:13:50.000 They just don't say it right underneath your work.

02:13:52.000 Yeah, see...

02:13:54.000 I wish.

02:13:55.000 I mean, it would be cool if it was that way.

02:13:57.000 It would be cool.

02:13:58.000 And trust me, whenever I engage in anything slightly more artistic or subjective online, I'm thinking, man, it'd be cool to turn off the comments and let it just breathe a little bit.

02:14:09.000 But at the same time, I'm like, this is the format that has been what everyone's accepted and expects now.

02:14:17.000 And so I feel like probably the healthier approach is this idea of tweaking it.

02:14:21.000 And What are the numbers?

02:14:25.000 What percentage of people actually comment? 0.98

02:14:27.000 It's fucking tiny. 0.99

02:14:28.000 It's so fractional. 1.00

02:14:29.000 But they dominate the goddamn perspective. 1.00

02:14:32.000 That's the problem. 1.00

02:14:33.000 And the ones with the shittiest points of view are the ones that are the loudest.

02:14:37.000 The loudest, most black and white, just like the headline science we were talking about before. 0.98

02:14:41.000 There's a reaction that you have to a really negative, aggressively shitty comment. 0.98

02:14:46.000 Yes. 0.93

02:14:46.000 Where it's like a... 0.93

02:14:47.000 I'm gonna reply to that.

02:14:49.000 Now there's a whole thread underneath that guy's single comment, which then pushes it to the top because it's creating conversation.

02:14:56.000 And this is stuff that like on the highest level, the biggest businesses in the space, if you're Google, if you're Facebook, they're having boardroom meetings about this stuff.

02:15:05.000 Did you hear about what Clinton's doing?

02:15:06.000 No.

02:15:07.000 Hillary Clinton is spending one million dollars to combat forum trolls and people on Reddit and Twitter and social media.

02:15:16.000 Yeah.

02:15:16.000 With what?

02:15:17.000 With her own mercenaries?

02:15:18.000 Who's gonna do it?

02:15:19.000 Exactly. 0.99

02:15:19.000 They have a hundred people that are working for her that actively go out and correct people that are saying negative things about this fucking career criminal that might be the President of the United States someday. 0.99

02:15:32.000 See, I don't like that either. 0.98

02:15:33.000 You know, when I'm talking about maybe tweaking the comment system, hell no to that.

02:15:38.000 But look at this.

02:15:39.000 Like, do you have it, Jamie?

02:15:41.000 It is bizarre.

02:15:42.000 Yeah, it's creepy.

02:15:43.000 I mean, this is the first time anyone's ever done this before and done it openly.

02:15:46.000 The way that politicians have been able to use social media.

02:15:50.000 Paying online trolls to attack anyone disparages her.

02:15:53.000 Hey, who's the guy who wrote that?

02:15:55.000 Isn't that the guy, the Twitter guy?

02:15:58.000 Oh, is it that guy? 0.80

02:15:59.000 People were complaining, is he black or is he white? 0.99

02:16:01.000 He's the white guy that pretends to be black. 0.97

02:16:04.000 It's not Izzy. 0.98

02:16:06.000 He definitely is.

02:16:07.000 I don't know.

02:16:07.000 I haven't followed it.

02:16:08.000 If you follow it, there's no evidence whatsoever there's any African American in him at all.

02:16:13.000 You look at his brothers and his sister, they all look like him.

02:16:15.000 His dad's white.

02:16:16.000 The whole thing is a mess. 0.96

02:16:17.000 His mom's white. 0.51

02:16:19.000 Yeah.

02:16:19.000 Don't ever pull up this guy's articles.

02:16:22.000 There's a lot of other articles on it. 1.00

02:16:24.000 That guy's a fucking fraud. 1.00

02:16:28.000 It's weird that that guy's employed, too. 1.00

02:16:30.000 He's employed by the Daily News or something like that.

02:16:32.000 Yeah, that's what it was.

02:16:33.000 Jesus Christ.

02:16:34.000 Do you guys have Google?

02:16:37.000 Like, what are you doing, Daily News?

02:16:39.000 Probably because you can promote the article and tweet it out.

02:16:42.000 I assume he has a following.

02:16:43.000 I guess.

02:16:43.000 There's a lot of that going on.

02:16:45.000 Who the hell knows?

02:16:46.000 That is a lot of what's happening with these newspapers, too.

02:16:50.000 They've sort of fallen into the clickbait realm, too.

02:16:53.000 They have to survive on that.

02:16:55.000 Do you remember when they used to try to make you pay to subscribe?

02:16:58.000 Some do.

02:16:59.000 New York Times is still paywall.

02:17:00.000 You get like 10 articles and then you have to pay to continue to be on it.

02:17:06.000 Newspapers, I mean, those institutions are the most entitled group of people that still exist.

02:17:12.000 Then maybe radio.

02:17:13.000 I can't wait, to be honest, for every car on the planet to ship with Android Auto or Apple CarPlay because then it's a wrap.

02:17:22.000 Android Auto, the problem is, I've seen a lot of cars that have Google CarPlay.

02:17:28.000 I have it in one of my cars.

02:17:29.000 Oh, okay, cool.

02:17:29.000 But I don't recall ever seeing a car with Android Auto.

02:17:33.000 But isn't Android at least 50% of the smartphone market?

02:17:37.000 Oh yeah, probably more.

02:17:39.000 Maybe not in the US. Globally, it's more than 50. More than 50. Yeah, because in emerging markets, nobody can afford iPhones.

02:17:47.000 But you could tell me this.

02:17:50.000 The latest Samsungs, like the Galaxy S7, it's basically a wrap, right?

02:17:55.000 I mean, they're a wash. 0.66

02:17:57.000 You've got pros and cons, but they're both pretty goddamn commensurate. 0.87

02:18:01.000 Oh yeah, 100%.

02:18:02.000 I wouldn't have a problem recommending...

02:18:04.000 Yeah, an S7, any of the Nexus devices.

02:18:10.000 What else?

02:18:11.000 I mean, the one that I didn't really like that much.

02:18:14.000 I haven't made a video about it.

02:18:15.000 Sometimes, the problem with me is sometimes if I'm not into something, I just don't make a video about it.

02:18:20.000 And so people are like, why is this guy always so fucking excited about everything? 0.89

02:18:23.000 It's like, well, shit, I want to make a video about the stuff I'm excited about. 0.99

02:18:26.000 Trying to be positive. 0.99

02:18:27.000 Yeah, and I understand how that can look like, you know...

02:18:31.000 You're not taking a strong position, but if I put my SIM card into a phone and I'm not feeling it, it's not going to last in there very long.

02:18:39.000 So anyway, I had some issues with LG's latest phone, even though I like some stuff about it.

02:18:44.000 The G5, it's a modular phone.

02:18:47.000 I don't know if you remember, there was this thing called Project Aria?

02:18:53.000 I remember.

02:18:54.000 It was a modular phone.

02:18:56.000 Anyway, that obviously never happened, but LG kind of Took the approach of trying to make what the consumer version of that would look like.

02:19:03.000 So there's modules.

02:19:04.000 So the battery compartment, you can pull out the battery and then reinsert a camera module, which is going to give you a better grip, different attributes to the camera.

02:19:15.000 What? 0.98

02:19:15.000 Pull this fucking thing up. 0.98

02:19:17.000 You can then pull that out and you can put in another module, which is a better headphone amplifier. 0.99

02:19:23.000 So you can run better headphones off of your phone.

02:19:26.000 Really? 1.00

02:19:26.000 Yeah, so, and I like, like, that kind of shit turns me on. 1.00

02:19:30.000 I like that stuff. 1.00

02:19:32.000 So when I see it, I'm like, fuck, I want to support that. 0.98

02:19:34.000 Even if it's not 100% polished. 0.99

02:19:36.000 Yeah, so here you go.

02:19:38.000 If you scroll down, you can see how the battery pulled out on the bottom in that picture there?

02:19:42.000 Uh-huh.

02:19:43.000 So they call them friends.

02:19:44.000 That's a bit of an issue with translation there.

02:19:47.000 Ew.

02:19:48.000 But the different modules are called friends, and you'll see here he can slide it out.

02:19:52.000 Hopefully he does.

02:19:53.000 In this clip here.

02:19:54.000 There.

02:19:55.000 So that pops out.

02:19:56.000 Whoa.

02:19:56.000 And you could even just carry around another battery, which that's becoming a tougher thing to do with phones, obviously.

02:20:03.000 Yeah.

02:20:03.000 Oh, you're getting killed here.

02:20:04.000 Fucking ants. 1.00

02:20:05.000 Getting hit. 1.00

02:20:07.000 I like the options.

02:20:08.000 I don't want to save. 0.96

02:20:09.000 I want to be a loser. 0.83

02:20:10.000 Can I click on I want to be a loser?

02:20:13.000 So anyway, I don't know if they show any of the other modules here, but they're opening it up to third parties as a port.

02:20:19.000 So essentially, if you're an audio maker and you want to have your own amp, or if you're God knows what accessory you might want to have utilized that, maybe a bigger battery.

02:20:29.000 Right.

02:20:30.000 You know, maybe a...

02:20:32.000 Who knows?

02:20:33.000 Whatever it is that you might want to improve, you could access that and do so.

02:20:36.000 What an uphill battle it is, though, for these cell phone companies to come up with something that you can get other people to jump in on and make accessories for.

02:20:44.000 Because people look at it and go, man, I don't know if this is going to catch on.

02:20:47.000 Do we use our resources and our engineers to develop something for this LG platform? 0.97

02:20:52.000 We can just make some shit for the iPhone and it's going to sell for sure. 0.96

02:20:55.000 And this is a problem. 0.98

02:20:57.000 This is why there's such a huge abundance of accessories for that platform.

02:21:01.000 And it's something to consider for a person.

02:21:03.000 There's some of the modules.

02:21:04.000 Wow, the module on the bottom, the brown one, is that the camera one?

02:21:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:21:08.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

02:21:09.000 Wood and grip. 1.00

02:21:09.000 So you get a real shutter, like a regular camera. 1.00

02:21:12.000 What is that upper left one that looks like a speaker?

02:21:14.000 That's actually LG's camera one.

02:21:17.000 That thing is?

02:21:17.000 That's a camera?

02:21:18.000 So basically what it does is it gives you a bigger battery, first of all, and then it gives you some control over the shutter as well as a wheel.

02:21:26.000 Now, on a professional camera, that wheel normally would be mapped to shutter speed or something more professional style of interaction.

02:21:35.000 So it wouldn't just be click and go.

02:21:36.000 You could get more control over the manual functions of it.

02:21:40.000 And that one in the middle, I think, is a digital analog converter.

02:21:46.000 So a headphone amp from, I think it's Bang& Olufsen?

02:21:49.000 Some high-end audio company.

02:21:50.000 So you can drive bigger headphones.

02:21:52.000 But anyway, I really like the approach.

02:21:53.000 Another thing they did on that phone is they put two lenses on the back.

02:21:56.000 And a lot of people think on the next iPhone we might see two lenses as well.

02:22:01.000 I'll ask you this before I get into this next part.

02:22:04.000 Actually, you know what?

02:22:05.000 I'm going to get to that in a second.

02:22:06.000 I'm going to go dual lens.

02:22:08.000 But the dual lens on the LG, one of them is super wide angle.

02:22:13.000 So you can capture a really wide frame.

02:22:16.000 That's one of my pet peeves about phone cameras.

02:22:19.000 You can see both of them there.

02:22:20.000 They're not very wide.

02:22:21.000 So you want to capture a group or architecture or a beach or something.

02:22:25.000 It's always this really narrow field of view.

02:22:28.000 So in this particular case, one of them is super wide, and one of them is a more standard field of view.

02:22:33.000 And so it's like having an interchangeable lens system, but it's always in your phone.

02:22:37.000 So right from within the app, you can switch between lenses.

02:22:40.000 That's interesting.

02:22:41.000 I like that.

02:22:41.000 So the iPhone might do something similar.

02:22:43.000 What do you not like about this phone?

02:22:45.000 Okay, so I don't know how fair it is, but really the way I evaluate a phone is how it kind of interacts with all the other devices that I expect it to interact with. 0.51

02:22:56.000 So, for example, if I get in my truck and I want this shit to seamlessly connect via Bluetooth, start playing my podcast, and so on, this phone, for whatever reason, it had no problem linking up The multimedia portion to play the music,

02:23:13.000 the podcasts, but the headset portion, for whatever reason, it wouldn't connect for answering phone calls via my Bluetooth. 0.60

02:23:20.000 Again, this is anecdotal.

02:23:21.000 This is my personal experience.

02:23:23.000 It's tough to even put that out there because who knows?

02:23:26.000 It's just the way that's talking to my truck.

02:23:29.000 But that issue doesn't exist with any of the other flagships, so that's something that I'm going to consider.

02:23:35.000 Another thing is build.

02:23:36.000 So a lot of people were upset because of the way that that modular portion fits in.

02:23:40.000 It's not completely flush.

02:23:42.000 It's a little bit rough around the edges.

02:23:44.000 And so, again, it's so competitive in this marketplace that any little inch you're going to give up is going to have a drastic impact.

02:23:52.000 And lastly, I don't like their software, their skin that they put on Android, but we talked about this before.

02:23:56.000 I'm like a purist when it comes to that, and I usually modify that anyways.

02:24:00.000 But there was some weirdness from the get-go about not just the skin they have on there, but But how hard it is to really switch it around too much.

02:24:08.000 The Samsung theme store is a little bit more elaborate if you want to change the appearance of the way your TouchWiz.

02:24:14.000 TouchWiz has gotten a lot better, but I still have a Nexus in my pocket right now.

02:24:17.000 Now, the Nexus phones, what's the service?

02:24:21.000 Illuminate this.

02:24:22.000 There's something where, with Google, you can pay Google, and that becomes your provider.

02:24:29.000 And your phone will work on everything.

02:24:31.000 T-Mobile, Verizon.

02:24:33.000 Not everything.

02:24:34.000 No?

02:24:35.000 Well, is it?

02:24:35.000 I don't think so.

02:24:36.000 No?

02:24:37.000 No, I think it's just select carriers because I think the Verizon bands are different.

02:24:42.000 Oh, they're CDMA. Right.

02:24:43.000 Yeah.

02:24:44.000 But I thought that CDMA and GSM, like most phones will work on CDMA and GSM like the iPhones will.

02:24:49.000 Like if you travel overseas and you're in a GSM environment only, you have Verizon.

02:24:54.000 Yeah, iPhone is actually one of the few.

02:24:55.000 I'm not sure if Nexus does or not.

02:24:57.000 Really?

02:24:57.000 That seems crazy that they wouldn't.

02:24:59.000 It bounces around.

02:25:00.000 I think it might be T-Mobile and it can bounce to Sprint and AT&T. Well, that's CDMA and then GSM as well then.

02:25:06.000 So they're going back and forth between two different types of payments.

02:25:08.000 Yeah, maybe they are.

02:25:08.000 I'm not 100% sure.

02:25:10.000 That service is not available where I am.

02:25:11.000 Oh, okay.

02:25:12.000 Is it in Canada?

02:25:13.000 Yeah, no.

02:25:14.000 So I'm not 100% sure on that, but with Nexus devices in general, You can do whatever you want with them.

02:25:20.000 They're completely unlocked.

02:25:21.000 So even if you just went to the Google Play Store and ordered a Nexus 6P or 5X, any SIM card you put in there is going to work.

02:25:28.000 And Nexus does it that way so they can give you the pure Google experience.

02:25:32.000 You're buying it directly from Google with no skins, no apps, no touch wiz, no bullshit.

02:25:37.000 And the tough part about that is there's so few people who have ever even experienced it because you can't pick it up in a Verizon store or an AT&T store.

02:25:44.000 That's got to be frustrating for the Google people.

02:25:46.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:25:48.000 But at the same time, it feels like they could do more from a marketing perspective to build awareness around the brand.

02:25:53.000 Definitely, because I'm barely aware of it.

02:25:55.000 I know.

02:25:55.000 Most people are.

02:25:56.000 I think part of it has to do with the oil business and the highway business.

02:26:02.000 You don't want to piss off carriers.

02:26:04.000 Because carriers still pull so much weight in this world.

02:26:07.000 But it's just weird that the carriers would want to jizz all over the soup.

02:26:10.000 Oh, we're back there.

02:26:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:26:12.000 Why are the carriers jizzing on the Google suit?

02:26:14.000 Well, hey, I mean, there's tons of evidence of Verizon and Comcast and fucking you name it. 0.96

02:26:22.000 Like, they're all trying to protect this really... 0.95

02:26:25.000 This really strange business.

02:26:27.000 I mean, they started out as, what, cable companies and doing home phones.

02:26:31.000 And then it was like, all of a sudden, this whole thing was mobile.

02:26:33.000 AT&T. And we could bounce around.

02:26:37.000 And it's like, really, the business has changed, but they've continued to try to lock you into this...

02:26:43.000 Bundle.

02:26:44.000 The bundle of things that you could have.

02:26:46.000 The TV package that's $200 and you watch four stations.

02:26:50.000 I mean, they're banking so hard that I can understand what they're trying to protect.

02:26:55.000 They're trying to lock you in.

02:26:57.000 Anything you buy that they're going to lock you into a contract and it's a few hundred dollars, I mean, it's pretty obvious.

02:27:02.000 There's a bit of a play there.

02:27:03.000 Yeah.

02:27:04.000 People are wising up, though.

02:27:06.000 A lot more people are buying their own devices now.

02:27:09.000 So, Jamie, see if you can figure out what exactly that Nexus service is and how it works.

02:27:15.000 Google Fi?

02:27:16.000 Yeah, Project Fi.

02:27:19.000 It's not saying anything on here specifically about which networks.

02:27:23.000 Click on the network button.

02:27:24.000 It just says it uses the best network, and it goes from LTE to Wi-Fi back and forth.

02:27:28.000 It doesn't say which carrier they're actually in.

02:27:30.000 LTE to Wi-Fi?

02:27:32.000 Yeah, it bounces back and forth.

02:27:33.000 LTE. LTE, I'm sorry.

02:27:35.000 To Wi-Fi.

02:27:38.000 But how's it using Wi-Fi when you're driving?

02:27:40.000 Oh, get access to two 4G LTE networks.

02:27:43.000 Okay.

02:27:44.000 So it's two networks.

02:27:45.000 I don't remember who they are.

02:27:46.000 Project Fi access the best of two 4G LTE networks so you can connect to more towers and get fast speeds at more places.

02:27:53.000 I'm nearly positive that one of them is T-Mobile.

02:27:55.000 It doesn't say on here.

02:27:56.000 Why wouldn't it not say?

02:27:58.000 That seems crazy.

02:27:59.000 They might have a white paper somewhere on the internet that you can get your hands on, but...

02:28:03.000 Listen to this.

02:28:03.000 Connect to better Wi-Fi.

02:28:05.000 There are lots of Wi-Fi hotspots out there, but not all of them are high quality.

02:28:10.000 Project Fi automatically connects you to more than a million free open Wi-Fi spots.

02:28:14.000 We verified for fast...

02:28:16.000 But how does that affect you while you're walking around?

02:28:20.000 Is it really going to go from Wi-Fi to Wi-Fi? 0.94

02:28:22.000 That sounds ridiculous.

02:28:23.000 They had a little graphic on here that kind of just shows it. 0.84

02:28:26.000 But I mean, it's just graphics.

02:28:27.000 It's not real-life application.

02:28:29.000 Right, right, right.

02:28:30.000 It's not giving you actual data.

02:28:33.000 Experience.

02:28:34.000 Yeah.

02:28:35.000 Mm.

02:28:35.000 Calls and text over Wi-Fi for more coverage.

02:28:39.000 See, this sounds good in paper, like maybe in 10 years.

02:28:42.000 Yeah.

02:28:43.000 Calls transition seamlessly from Wi-Fi and cell phone networks.

02:28:45.000 Tell it to people their phone drops off left and right and they're yelling at you.

02:28:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:28:49.000 I fucking hate this. 0.99

02:28:50.000 Switching networks is a bit of a nightmare. 0.99

02:28:53.000 I don't know.

02:28:53.000 I mean...

02:28:53.000 Again, this is kind of, to me, this is kind of along the lines of that modular phone.

02:28:57.000 It's like, I like it.

02:28:58.000 It speaks to me in some way.

02:29:00.000 This idea of innovating in the space, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's all the way there.

02:29:07.000 Jamie, see if you can find, instead of this commercial cartoon they're showing us, actual data of what networks they're using and how it works.

02:29:16.000 You probably can, yeah.

02:29:17.000 Because Chris Ryan, Dr. Chris Ryan, the guy who wrote Sex at Dawn, he was the one who first told me about it, and that's why he bought the phone.

02:29:23.000 He's like, I love it because everywhere I go, it just finds the best service.

02:29:27.000 Yeah.

02:29:27.000 And I was like, oh, okay.

02:29:28.000 That sounds like a great idea if it's in paper.

02:29:32.000 Who's a partner?

02:29:33.000 Sprint and T-Mobile.

02:29:35.000 Okay.

02:29:35.000 Needless carriers in the US to launch our service.

02:29:38.000 Well, you know what, man?

02:29:39.000 So that's exactly what Ting does.

02:29:42.000 Ting uses Sprint and T-Mobile as well.

02:29:44.000 They use T-Mobile for GSM and Sprint for CDMA. And so you would get the same coverage that you get with T-Mobile or with Ting.

02:29:52.000 But with Ting, you only pay for what you use.

02:29:55.000 Ting has a great deal where if you barely use it, like I've barely used my phone before and I've got a $10 bill.

02:30:01.000 Yeah.

02:30:02.000 The one thing that they have there is that Wi-Fi transition thing.

02:30:05.000 Yeah.

02:30:06.000 Maybe you're using less data.

02:30:07.000 I don't know.

02:30:07.000 But you have to log into Wi-Fi networks.

02:30:09.000 That's what I don't understand.

02:30:10.000 How could that be verifiable?

02:30:11.000 I know.

02:30:12.000 And they're like reliable.

02:30:13.000 I don't know about that.

02:30:14.000 I mean, but this idea of free Wi-Fi hotspot, if you go to like Starbucks and use their hotspot or Coffee Bean, you have to log in.

02:30:22.000 Mm-hmm.

02:30:23.000 So are you going to have to pre-login to all these places in order for it to seamlessly transition?

02:30:27.000 Yeah, unless they've got some kind of clearance, maybe, where those IMEI numbers could somehow have access.

02:30:31.000 I'm not 100% sure how that works. 0.99

02:30:33.000 Boy, that sounds fishy as fuck. 0.92

02:30:35.000 I'm not 100% sure how that works, but Wi-Fi calling and whatnot is cool, because generally speaking, even in your own places, like the places you frequent, like your office and your house and such... 0.98

02:30:43.000 I have Wi-Fi calling on my phone.

02:30:45.000 I love it.

02:30:45.000 Exactly.

02:30:46.000 It's amazing.

02:30:46.000 It's high quality.

02:30:47.000 You have a great connection.

02:30:49.000 So it does make sense in theory.

02:30:50.000 The way they were showing it on their graphic is probably overstating it.

02:30:54.000 Right.

02:30:54.000 Yeah.

02:30:55.000 But anyway, so in the Android space, I think it's pretty easy.

02:30:59.000 I think right now for me, it would be probably an S7 or the Nexus 6P is in my pocket, which I like.

02:31:07.000 Can I see that?

02:31:07.000 Yeah.

02:31:08.000 Pull that bitch out. 1.00

02:31:09.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:31:09.000 This, again, what you're seeing a lot of now is you're seeing the fingerprint scanner being moved to the back of the device. 0.99

02:31:16.000 So you could just do it as you're holding it open?

02:31:18.000 So yeah, exactly.

02:31:19.000 You'll notice it sort of fits in there.

02:31:20.000 Wow.

02:31:21.000 Yeah, that's nice.

02:31:22.000 I like that.

02:31:23.000 That's actually really clean.

02:31:25.000 I've actually got a skin on it.

02:31:26.000 Oh, this is a skin?

02:31:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:31:28.000 It would look a little different.

02:31:29.000 It's a little more grippy like that.

02:31:31.000 I like it.

02:31:31.000 Yeah.

02:31:32.000 This is really thin and nice.

02:31:33.000 Yeah.

02:31:34.000 It's, um...

02:31:35.000 Is this a 6P? Is that what it is?

02:31:36.000 That's a 6P. It's the bigger brother, so the 5X is pretty much identical.

02:31:40.000 The screen's a little lower resolution on that one.

02:31:42.000 No physical buttons on the outside.

02:31:43.000 Just over here on the side.

02:31:45.000 Yeah, but none on the screen.

02:31:45.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:31:46.000 No, they're all digital, so...

02:31:47.000 Yeah.

02:31:47.000 Well, if you look at an iPhone, that giant home button increases the size of the bezel substantially.

02:31:55.000 Yeah, it does.

02:31:55.000 Another thing that phone makers, I don't remember if I talked about this before, is forward-facing speakers.

02:32:01.000 It's such a huge thing.

02:32:03.000 The fact that we don't have that on a lot of devices yet.

02:32:05.000 Yeah, the iPhone has a little dinky speaker on the bottom.

02:32:08.000 On the bottom.

02:32:09.000 It's like, from a design perspective, you can't imagine ever doing a drawing where for any reason you'd do that unless it was an absolute necessity.

02:32:16.000 But the thing is, a lot of phone makers keep trying to slim down the devices.

02:32:19.000 It has to be thinner every single generation.

02:32:22.000 And so that usually means they're subtracting things rather than adding them, which is a problem for people who are super into tech.

02:32:28.000 Are you complaining about the thickness of that?

02:32:30.000 That could be a little bit thicker if you've got better battery life, say a better camera, right?

02:32:34.000 Or do you need it to be that thin?

02:32:35.000 No, I'm good with it the way it is.

02:32:37.000 I like it.

02:32:37.000 The battery life is fine.

02:32:39.000 The 6 Plus?

02:32:40.000 Yeah, it has a huge battery. 0.97

02:32:41.000 It's pretty fucking good. 0.92

02:32:42.000 Yeah, it has a huge battery. 0.97

02:32:43.000 I was actually okay with the 6. The 6 was okay.

02:32:45.000 The battery life was not bad.

02:32:47.000 I picked up one of these again, and I was like, ah.

02:32:50.000 I like the screen better.

02:32:51.000 I like the big screen.

02:32:52.000 Bigger screen, yeah.

02:32:53.000 Especially for going on a website or something like that and reading emails.

02:32:56.000 The real argument against the big screen is one-handed use.

02:33:01.000 Right.

02:33:02.000 So if you're a person who takes public transit on the subway and they got a coffee in one hand, then you can make the argument that any of these giant phones, it's difficult to interact with them one-handed.

02:33:11.000 Well, then the argument is the new iPhone, the one that they've come out with, the old 4-inch one.

02:33:16.000 The SE, yeah. 0.98

02:33:17.000 That sucker fits right in your hand. 0.99

02:33:19.000 Oh, it's tiny. 0.99

02:33:20.000 Perfect.

02:33:20.000 But it's so easy to text one-handed with.

02:33:22.000 Oh, yeah.

02:33:23.000 Definitely.

02:33:24.000 I was kind of lukewarm about it, just because it's like...

02:33:27.000 Going backwards.

02:33:28.000 It's like, what are we...

02:33:29.000 You know, the stuff I get excited about is the innovation and sort of the people behind it, the research, development and such.

02:33:38.000 And it's like any time you see a company kind of going back.

02:33:41.000 But then again, I thought about it when I made a video about it.

02:33:44.000 It's like, well, if you drive a Porsche, they don't look all that different.

02:33:48.000 Well, not only that, a Porsche is smaller than an SUV. Like if you invented an SUV and you're like, I don't I don't want to drive an SUV. I want a little car that zips around.

02:33:56.000 That's kind of what that phone is.

02:33:57.000 It's like a little sports car.

02:33:59.000 Yeah, because it's fast.

02:34:01.000 It's fast.

02:34:01.000 They upgraded the camera.

02:34:03.000 I feel like we could have seen a new design.

02:34:07.000 That's all.

02:34:07.000 It would have been interesting.

02:34:08.000 They've had a lot of time to figure out what they wanted to do with a smaller phone.

02:34:11.000 But the edginess of that old phone, it grips.

02:34:15.000 It's got a hard, angular sort of edge to it that fits right in your hand.

02:34:20.000 That one is one of the slipperiest phones that exist.

02:34:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:34:23.000 Well, that's why I like this skin.

02:34:24.000 I got this skin.

02:34:25.000 It's got texture on the outside, and it's wood.

02:34:27.000 Yeah, you're gripping.

02:34:28.000 Yeah, I like it.

02:34:30.000 So the issue with the next iPhone, this is what I'm going to ask you, Joe.

02:34:33.000 There's rumors, they're probably beyond rumors, that they're going to give up the headphone jack.

02:34:39.000 Yeah, that's gross.

02:34:40.000 You're not happy about that? 0.84

02:34:41.000 No, I think that's gross. 1.00

02:34:43.000 Like, cut the shit. 1.00

02:34:43.000 What if you're gonna get improved audio? 1.00

02:34:45.000 How much improved?

02:34:46.000 What are you doing?

02:34:47.000 You're just making things proprietary.

02:34:49.000 They're trying to sell a fuck ton of Beats headphones, is what they're trying to do.

02:34:53.000 They own Beats now.

02:34:53.000 See, and then also the problem with that is, are you gonna be able to charge it at the same time as listening to music?

02:34:58.000 Is it gonna be one of those things?

02:34:59.000 So here's the thing.

02:35:01.000 I had an idea.

02:35:04.000 I'm just going to put it out there because I'm not going to do it.

02:35:06.000 I'm too fucking busy.

02:35:07.000 But for a set of headphones that use that port that actually have a battery that charge your phone while you're listening. 0.92

02:35:14.000 Because you know a lot of people carry around backup batteries anyways.

02:35:17.000 That's not a bad idea.

02:35:18.000 I'm not going to make it.

02:35:19.000 Like I said, I'm busy.

02:35:20.000 That's not totally a bad idea.

02:35:22.000 But anyway, the point being is it's not universal.

02:35:24.000 So you couldn't just be over at your friends and grab any pair of headphones.

02:35:28.000 All the stuff you may be already invested in.

02:35:30.000 A lot of people have invested a lot into audio.

02:35:32.000 And everything fits with this 3.5mm universal jack.

02:35:37.000 And it's been that way for God forever.

02:35:39.000 50 years?

02:35:40.000 More.

02:35:41.000 More than 50 years.

02:35:42.000 It used to be a quarter-inch jack like this stuff here, which could be adapted, but essentially it's been that analog connection for as long as there's been audio equipment.

02:35:51.000 So this is a big move.

02:35:52.000 If the leader in the marketplace gives up on that and goes with a strictly digital connection, you can expect all the other people to follow suit because Apple just has that kind of pull.

02:36:02.000 Well, they were the first ones to abandon the floppy disk.

02:36:04.000 Remember that?

02:36:05.000 CD drive.

02:36:06.000 Yeah, they abandoned everything.

02:36:07.000 I mean, the new ones, these new laptops, they don't even have a USB. They just have the C, USB-C. Yeah.

02:36:15.000 Like, what?

02:36:16.000 One port to provide power, to interface with it.

02:36:20.000 It really should have two.

02:36:22.000 Most of the PC manufacturers with competitive products to that MacBook have two USB-C ports.

02:36:28.000 Yeah.

02:36:28.000 Do you think that they're trying to establish the cloud?

02:36:32.000 Is it to try to encourage people to upload data to the cloud?

02:36:36.000 That's part of it.

02:36:37.000 That's part of it.

02:36:38.000 But honestly, not to be too pessimistic about it, but Apple does have a history of this sort of planned obsolescence.

02:36:46.000 And I fully believe that...

02:36:50.000 At least with the next generation, a lot of people were hoping it would be this generation.

02:36:53.000 You'll just see that second port, and they'll go, now with two ports.

02:36:57.000 Everybody runs the lineup for it.

02:36:59.000 But anyway, the most controversial thing on the next version is certainly going to be this idea of giving up the headphone jack.

02:37:07.000 Is that confirmed?

02:37:09.000 It's pretty fucking close. 0.51

02:37:10.000 I got a question about that. 0.91

02:37:11.000 Wouldn't they still be able to use that little port to have headphones that plug into the charging port?

02:37:16.000 An adapter, you mean?

02:37:17.000 Those are new headphones everyone has to go buy, but that doesn't completely kill...

02:37:22.000 Headphones.

02:37:22.000 Yeah, oh yeah, they could totally stick an adapter.

02:37:24.000 Yeah, but then you'd have to have some new thing in your pocket that you'd hold on to.

02:37:28.000 That's annoying.

02:37:29.000 It doesn't have to be an adapter, but they could put out, just like they put out earbuds with every iPhone, they could just give you new ones that plug into there.

02:37:36.000 Oh yeah, no doubt.

02:37:37.000 Oh yeah, no doubt.

02:37:38.000 Right, but the problem is you wouldn't be able to charge it at the same time.

02:37:41.000 You'd have to have one or the other.

02:37:43.000 I'm saying that wouldn't be wireless.

02:37:44.000 The new ones they give you wouldn't be wireless.

02:37:46.000 They just plug into the port we charge into now.

02:37:48.000 Right, that's what I'm saying.

02:37:49.000 You couldn't charge and listen at the same time.

02:37:52.000 Oh, I get you on that. 1.00

02:37:53.000 Yeah, I know there's going to be some drawback and people are going to lose their shit and then everybody's going to buy the fucking iPhone. 0.98

02:37:58.000 Well, it's so convenient that it works so seamlessly with your laptop, and Macs do make the best operating system for home computers, in my opinion. 0.98

02:38:08.000 We're going to try some Windows shit out, because Razer is going to send us some laptops.

02:38:11.000 I heard about this. 0.94

02:38:13.000 Am I invited to this party, or what?

02:38:15.000 Hell yeah.

02:38:17.000 You want to get in on the Doom party?

02:38:18.000 We're going to have a Doom LAN party.

02:38:20.000 Do you really know what you're getting into here?

02:38:22.000 In what way?

02:38:23.000 Well, I don't know.

02:38:23.000 I mean, how elaborate will this thing be?

02:38:25.000 What kind of systems are you getting?

02:38:26.000 What's happening here?

02:38:27.000 We're probably going to use Razer's laptop systems. 0.82

02:38:30.000 They have gaming laptops that are pretty fucking substantial. 0.61

02:38:33.000 Sure they do. 0.82

02:38:33.000 Yeah, definitely. 0.82

02:38:34.000 The Razer Blade.

02:38:36.000 I actually was one of the Razer developers early back in the day in the 90s.

02:38:43.000 Excuse me?

02:38:44.000 Yeah.

02:38:44.000 I was one of the guys who helped them with their mice.

02:38:47.000 Get out of town.

02:38:48.000 You know how much cred you're getting right now?

02:38:50.000 The original Razor guy, Robert Krakow, was a friend of mine.

02:38:54.000 And he was trying to figure out...

02:38:57.000 I met him, I think, at E3. I think I met him there.

02:39:00.000 I forgot where I met him.

02:39:01.000 But I was friends with the id Software guys way back in the day.

02:39:05.000 I met John Carmack way back during Quake 2 when they were developing Quake 3. I got to play Quake 3, the early developer model.

02:39:11.000 You were deep, man.

02:39:13.000 That was deep.

02:39:13.000 They had their original, the Razer Mamba, their original high sensitivity mouse.

02:39:19.000 And ergonomically, people didn't like it.

02:39:22.000 They loved the fact that it was like a really super sensitive module inside of it that would, the sensor that would pick up the movement.

02:39:30.000 It was super sensitive and high DPI, but we didn't like the ergonomics.

02:39:34.000 The shape didn't seem right.

02:39:36.000 What was wrong with the shape?

02:39:37.000 Too flat?

02:39:37.000 It was a really weird shape.

02:39:38.000 It had like a hump in the back, then it leaned forward to a flat front like a duck's foot.

02:39:43.000 It was real weird.

02:39:45.000 Do you remember the early shape?

02:39:46.000 I'm trying to remember it right now.

02:39:47.000 I don't think I can pinpoint it in my head.

02:39:50.000 Well obviously people have different shaped and sized hands.

02:39:53.000 And also some people employ the claw.

02:39:55.000 Yes.

02:39:55.000 They have a different grip.

02:39:56.000 Yeah.

02:39:57.000 And so I guess you'd want a different shape depending on the grip you utilize.

02:40:00.000 Well, there's a lot of variables, right?

02:40:02.000 One of the variables is do you rest your arm?

02:40:05.000 Do you rest your arm or you're a hoverer?

02:40:07.000 And do you go with high sensitivity or you do low sensitive and quick movements?

02:40:11.000 And do you use mouse sampling?

02:40:15.000 Like, you know, there's like mouse acceleration.

02:40:19.000 Do you know what that is?

02:40:19.000 Yeah, of course.

02:40:20.000 So like if you move quicker, the mouse actually moves quicker than that.

02:40:24.000 Yeah.

02:40:24.000 It works on some sort of like a gyroscope, or that's probably not the right word.

02:40:29.000 Accelerometer.

02:40:30.000 Yeah, accelerometer.

02:40:31.000 Whereas if you move quicker, it actually covers distance quicker than your movement.

02:40:36.000 It helps you move quicker.

02:40:38.000 And then when you're into flying slower movements, it slows down.

02:40:41.000 Some people like that.

02:40:42.000 Some people don't like that.

02:40:43.000 Depending on the game.

02:40:44.000 Depending on how you play.

02:40:46.000 But for me, it was first-person shooters.

02:40:48.000 So me and my friend Lou Morton, who was a hardcore gamer, who was one of the writers for NewsRadio, and a bunch of friends that were in my Quake clan at the time, we got together with the Razor guy.

02:41:02.000 And we had a LAN party.

02:41:04.000 And we brought in a bunch of different shaped mice.

02:41:08.000 And we all showed which mouse we used and why we used it.

02:41:12.000 And I believe at the time I was using a Microsoft mouse.

02:41:15.000 And I really liked laser mice because back then they were...

02:41:21.000 They were not quite good enough for games.

02:41:24.000 They were a little awkward.

02:41:25.000 They weren't as sensitive.

02:41:26.000 They would miss things.

02:41:27.000 But they wouldn't require cleaning.

02:41:29.000 And the ball mice required cleaning.

02:41:32.000 Oh, God.

02:41:32.000 Yeah, right.

02:41:32.000 And so we all had these different ones that we would use.

02:41:35.000 And so they compiled all of our suggestions and then created their next generation mice.

02:41:41.000 So this was in the 90s.

02:41:42.000 So I was like one of the early guys that helped them with the shape of mice.

02:41:47.000 So imagine all the kids out there right now with a Razer mouse.

02:41:51.000 I was just one of them.

02:41:53.000 There's a lot of people.

02:41:54.000 He's like, don't get carried away there.

02:41:55.000 I wouldn't do that because it was a gaming mouse that one of the big...

02:41:59.000 Logitech.

02:42:00.000 Logitech had the best shape.

02:42:01.000 I love Logitech mice.

02:42:02.000 I use one right now.

02:42:04.000 I use the...

02:42:04.000 What is it called?

02:42:06.000 The Performance MX. Love it.

02:42:09.000 Wouldn't use anything else.

02:42:10.000 But they had one that was specifically designed for gaming, and it only had three buttons.

02:42:14.000 But the shape of it, the Logitech gaming mouse just fit perfectly in your hand.

02:42:19.000 I think it was the MX518. That was a super popular gaming mouse back in the day.

02:42:23.000 Could be.

02:42:24.000 I mean, they just called it the Logitech gaming mouse.

02:42:26.000 Oh, did they?

02:42:26.000 Yeah, it was a gray mouse.

02:42:28.000 It didn't have any buttons other than the three buttons on the top.

02:42:31.000 This might be earlier than I'm thinking.

02:42:32.000 Yeah, it was kind of crude and primitive, but people really loved it because you would set these buttons for different things.

02:42:39.000 Some of them would set one of the buttons for a jump.

02:42:42.000 Some of them would set one of the buttons.

02:42:43.000 The way I would have it, I would have the index finger would be my trigger.

02:42:46.000 That's how it would shoot.

02:42:47.000 The middle button would be a rail gun, and the far left button would be a rocket launcher.

02:42:51.000 So if I wanted a rocket launcher, I'd hit that far button, it would come to me instantly and I could shoot it, and then the railgun would be the one that I would count on for like a long-range sniper shot.

02:43:00.000 And so you have all your keys, your keys would be in front of you, WA, S, and D for movement, and then various weapon keys were just really close, like lightning gun was up here, a C, you would hit that for this and that for that, and you would configure it based on what you would like.

02:43:15.000 Yeah, that was one, but that was not the one.

02:43:18.000 This is probably a new one.

02:43:20.000 That looks more modern, yeah.

02:43:20.000 I'm trying to find one from the 90s.

02:43:22.000 No need, but that's pretty dope.

02:43:25.000 That one right there.

02:43:26.000 They have tons of buttons now.

02:43:29.000 The performance mice now, you could have...

02:43:32.000 Never mind the ones for those massive multiplayer games.

02:43:36.000 Yeah.

02:43:36.000 Oh, those guys are crazy.

02:43:37.000 Those mice can have like 30, 40 buttons on them to trigger certain behaviors.

02:43:42.000 I don't know.

02:43:42.000 I'm not an expert in that space.

02:43:44.000 Those games scare the shit out of me.

02:43:46.000 Really? 0.99

02:43:47.000 Those massive multiplayer games are the ones that just suck your life up.

02:43:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:43:50.000 Those people just vanish from the world.

02:43:53.000 Now, what is going to happen with those people when they get a hold of something like this?

02:43:57.000 This box that we have in front of us, Lewis and I were playing with this before the show, and we had the gentleman in that helped work with it.

02:44:05.000 Yeah, let me give them a shout-out.

02:44:08.000 Master of Shapes on Twitter.

02:44:10.000 These guys, they create...

02:44:12.000 Mostly VR experiences, but this headset here is actually an AR headset, and you may have heard of it.

02:44:19.000 It's called the Microsoft HoloLens.

02:44:21.000 Essentially, you've got a lens in front of you in a fairly narrow field of view, but what ends up happening is you have this digital representation that's overlaid on your own physical space.

02:44:31.000 That's how I would describe it.

02:44:32.000 You tried it out, Joe.

02:44:34.000 Why don't you give us some feedback?

02:44:36.000 Well, right now it's kind of crude.

02:44:39.000 There's some holes in it.

02:44:40.000 And this is just developer kit, so it's not meant to be a polished consumer product.

02:44:44.000 But it's pretty...

02:44:46.000 It's pretty revealing as far as what the potential is.

02:44:50.000 And we're in for a wild ride in the next 20 years.

02:44:54.000 I mean, what we're seeing with this is kind of a crude version of virtual reality in a video game where things are coming at you. 0.99

02:45:04.000 But you know they're bullshit. 0.99

02:45:05.000 They don't look real. 1.00

02:45:07.000 You're pressing a clicker and you can shoot them out of the air.

02:45:10.000 It's kind of fun.

02:45:11.000 It's kind of interesting.

02:45:12.000 From a gaming perspective, I still think...

02:45:15.000 The VR experiences are a lot more immersive than something like this where you can still see your surroundings.

02:45:20.000 Exactly. 0.54

02:45:21.000 When you put the headset on and everything is gone, and you're doing some zombie game or some shit.

02:45:25.000 I was playing with the HTC Vive recently.

02:45:30.000 Most people are saying that's the one to get for VR headsets.

02:45:33.000 Really?

02:45:34.000 Over Oculus Rift?

02:45:35.000 Yeah, just the way the tracking is done.

02:45:37.000 It's a very smooth experience.

02:45:39.000 They've got controllers that come with it that map against the headset itself.

02:45:44.000 They're wireless.

02:45:45.000 You're still wired into a huge gaming PC via your head.

02:45:48.000 But it's kind of cool.

02:45:49.000 Some of the demos I did have these digital walls that you bump into.

02:45:54.000 So you know the limits of where you can go.

02:45:58.000 But some people have done some really interesting things.

02:46:01.000 If you can bring up Jamie Into the Void.

02:46:04.000 Have you seen this yet?

02:46:06.000 No.

02:46:06.000 Okay.

02:46:07.000 Should I say anything or should we play the clip?

02:46:09.000 Just play it.

02:46:09.000 Okay, play the clip Into the Void.

02:46:12.000 Yeah.

02:46:12.000 I'm curious if someone is going to develop something like those laser tag warehouses.

02:46:17.000 Oh my god. 0.98

02:46:18.000 How the fuck did you just nail it? 0.99

02:46:20.000 How did you just nail it? 0.99

02:46:20.000 That's what we're about to watch. 0.99

02:46:22.000 Somebody in Salt Lake City built this experience where you have this pack on, which if you get shot, it's like an actual physical...

02:46:30.000 I think we have talked about this before.

02:46:32.000 Did this come up?

02:46:33.000 I feel like this came up in one of the Red Band podcasts.

02:46:35.000 I feel like it did too.

02:46:36.000 I'm looking for it right now.

02:46:38.000 Or just Void?

02:46:39.000 Yeah, I see something called The Void.

02:46:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:46:41.000 That might be it.

02:46:42.000 See, because if you can establish, if you can get a place...

02:46:45.000 Where you have this enormous warehouse space, and then in that warehouse space, you set up like, have you ever played paintball?

02:46:52.000 Of course.

02:46:53.000 I played paintball once in Boston. 0.97

02:46:55.000 There's this place in Lynn that had these black lights, and it was a warehouse, and you would run around, there was boxes and all these barriers and shit. 0.94

02:47:00.000 So here it is right here. 0.94

02:47:01.000 Okay, here we go.

02:47:02.000 Where dreams become reality. 0.98

02:47:05.000 Okay, so this girl is walking around, and there's actual walls, and she turns a corner, and she's in some fucking magical land. 0.88

02:47:14.000 So the computer in this case is in the backpack. 0.93

02:47:17.000 Whoa.

02:47:17.000 So you're completely untethered.

02:47:19.000 Oh my god.

02:47:22.000 And so...

02:47:23.000 They've constructed all this stuff...

02:47:27.000 Unparalleled visuals and body tracking.

02:47:30.000 And so you're wearing a suit, like an X-Men type uniform.

02:47:33.000 And it's got sensors on it.

02:47:36.000 Virtual worlds built over physical environments.

02:47:38.000 I do believe we've talked about this.

02:47:39.000 This looks a little familiar now that we're getting to this part of it.

02:47:42.000 I don't feel like it looked exactly like this.

02:47:44.000 No, I feel like this is the updated version of what we saw before.

02:47:47.000 I think they've actually launched now, I think.

02:47:49.000 You can actually go do it.

02:47:50.000 It's not just a concept.

02:47:52.000 4D environmental effects. 0.99

02:47:54.000 So you got air that blows on you and shit? 0.98

02:47:56.000 Yeah, to go along with what's happening. 0.99

02:47:58.000 Wow, do you have rain?

02:48:00.000 Explore with and play against others.

02:48:03.000 Whoa.

02:48:04.000 So they would have to be mapped in that physical space as well.

02:48:07.000 Well, at least you're going to move around a little and get some exercise.

02:48:10.000 I kind of like that.

02:48:12.000 I like the idea of actually holding a physical gun and having to aim a physical gun.

02:48:17.000 Give you some hand-eye coordination.

02:48:19.000 And by the way, of course, this is how they're going to train soldiers now.

02:48:22.000 Oh yeah, big time.

02:48:23.000 They're going to get people that are really good at doing it this way and they're going to train them for the battlefield.

02:48:28.000 This is wild, man.

02:48:29.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:48:31.000 Doom.

02:48:32.000 Yeah, you can imagine if when that thing grabs hold of you, and your vest is gripping you tighter, and you're feeling the physical surroundings, that's going to hijack our sensory system big time.

02:48:44.000 Sure, especially when it gets better and better, where it's more and more reactive.

02:48:48.000 You can feel it in very specific areas of your body if something grabs your shoulder like a zombie.

02:48:54.000 From behind, you turn, it actually has its hand on your shoulder. 0.99

02:48:57.000 Holy fuck. 0.99

02:48:58.000 And the thing is, after people grow up with those kinds of experiences, how the fuck are they going to go to the movie theater and just sit there? 1.00

02:49:04.000 They're not. 0.97

02:49:05.000 Well, the movies are going to have to ramp it up.

02:49:07.000 That will be, yeah, that'll be the equivalent of what it is.

02:49:10.000 Maybe Disney, maybe some Star Wars down the road, you'll be in it.

02:49:14.000 Well, sometimes, though, you just want to go to the movies, you know?

02:49:17.000 You want to go on a date, eat some popcorn, sit down and relax.

02:49:19.000 Right.

02:49:20.000 Although I think that those experiences, who knows? 0.97

02:49:23.000 Who knows if the next generation will give a fuck about any of that. 0.97

02:49:27.000 They don't need a date. 0.99

02:49:28.000 They don't need the popcorn.

02:49:30.000 Yeah, right?

02:49:30.000 They don't even need a date.

02:49:31.000 No, that's what I'm saying.

02:49:33.000 They got it all figured out, man.

02:49:35.000 They don't need to leave the house.

02:49:36.000 What is our personality, the collective personality of human beings? 0.96

02:49:40.000 How much is it going to be affected by robot sex slaves? 0.97

02:49:44.000 100%. 0.98

02:49:45.000 100%.

02:49:46.000 No one will compromise for anything. 1.00

02:49:48.000 We will be such ugly motherfuckers, dude. 1.00

02:49:53.000 Or be completely unneedy? 1.00

02:49:56.000 No.

02:49:56.000 Not at all.

02:49:57.000 I do not think so.

02:49:59.000 Where are you at, Jamie?

02:50:00.000 You want to weigh in there?

02:50:01.000 We're getting real close to demolition, man, I feel like.

02:50:03.000 All the things that are happening with that.

02:50:05.000 Taco Bell is going to become everyone's favorite meal. 0.99

02:50:07.000 We're going to have to wipe our asses. 0.99

02:50:08.000 Taco Bell? 0.99

02:50:08.000 Why is Taco Bell going to be a... 0.99

02:50:09.000 That's just what it was in the movie.

02:50:10.000 Oh. 0.84

02:50:11.000 Three shells to wipe our asses, and no one knows what that means still, and that's what we're headed to. 0.96

02:50:15.000 Yeah. 0.93

02:50:16.000 Or The Matrix, or whatever sci-fi film you choose.

02:50:19.000 No wonder.

02:50:20.000 Ultimately, I think we're just becoming...

02:50:23.000 We continue to have a smaller slice of the pizza.

02:50:27.000 And the digital realm, the internet, the data realm continues to have a bigger slice of the pizza.

02:50:34.000 So, as long as that continues in that kind of direction, we're going to become more and more passengers and less and less drivers.

02:50:44.000 And, of course, that's happening, too.

02:50:47.000 I'm sure you heard about the Model 3. Like, they...

02:50:50.000 They moved so many fucking units, sight unseen. 1.00

02:50:54.000 Like, can you imagine buying a car without seeing it? 1.00

02:50:58.000 These people...

02:50:59.000 Tesla's are so proven, though, and it's Elon Musk.

02:51:01.000 He's, like, literally Tony Stark.

02:51:03.000 Exactly.

02:51:04.000 But all that stuff, all that hype around it, right, it doesn't come easy.

02:51:08.000 It's all part of kind of a perspective.

02:51:11.000 They represent something bigger.

02:51:12.000 Like, in so many ways, tech is like our god.

02:51:15.000 Like, we worship it.

02:51:17.000 Like, this is evidence of that, in my opinion. 1.00

02:51:19.000 If you're going to buy something without seeing it, that's the ultimate fucking cult. 0.99

02:51:24.000 The ultimate coercion. 0.98

02:51:25.000 But you're only buying it from a massively proven brand.

02:51:29.000 100%.

02:51:30.000 But it's like...

02:51:31.000 Do you know how many people do that with Porsche as well?

02:51:33.000 Listen, with iPhones?

02:51:35.000 Yeah, but Porsche has a Model R that's coming out.

02:51:38.000 It's actually very retro.

02:51:39.000 The Porsche Model R is so spoken for.

02:51:42.000 It's a 911 with a GT3 engine, but a six-speed manual transmission, and none of the external...

02:51:52.000 What am I looking for? 0.89

02:51:59.000 Aerodynamic spoilers and shit like that. 0.97

02:52:01.000 It looks like a regular 911. And all the aerodynamics are sort of built into the undercarriage of the car in order to keep it down at weight. 0.90

02:52:07.000 And what they've done is made a very retro type experience.

02:52:11.000 What about all the electronics?

02:52:13.000 Well, you can shut all that But this car, there's so few of them that they're selling this car now for a million dollars. 0.92

02:52:20.000 This is a regular fucking 911 that just has retro capabilities and people are selling them sight unseen for a million dollars. 0.94

02:52:30.000 But I understand it at the high end. 0.99

02:52:32.000 Because at the high end, this is not car number one for most people.

02:52:35.000 This is like, yeah, on a whim, whatever. 0.99

02:52:37.000 I have some fucking money burning a hole in my pocket. 0.97

02:52:39.000 In the case of the Model 3, that's a $35,000 car. 0.99

02:52:42.000 Wasn't that more understandable then?

02:52:45.000 How so?

02:52:46.000 Because it's less of a risk.

02:52:47.000 No, no, no.

02:52:48.000 I'm talking about volume.

02:52:49.000 Right.

02:52:49.000 So I looked at their numbers and then went and referenced it against, like, what about Honda Civic?

02:52:54.000 How significant is this number?

02:52:55.000 Like, I'm sure Porsche is only going to make, what, 50 of those?

02:52:58.000 You know, I don't know.

02:52:59.000 Not that many.

02:52:59.000 Not even maybe.

02:53:00.000 Not that many for North America.

02:53:01.000 Yeah, so in those cases, you understand it.

02:53:03.000 Like, it's, you know, super exclusive.

02:53:05.000 They'll probably make, like, 911. That's probably what they'll do.

02:53:08.000 Exactly.

02:53:09.000 And number one and number 911 will be worth the most and whatever.

02:53:13.000 But in this case, it was like, there's not as much that can be learned from a sort of small experiment like that.

02:53:19.000 But there's a lot more that can be learned from when you're moving half a million cars. 0.97

02:53:23.000 Because then it's like, holy fuck, this is now an industry trend. 0.98

02:53:26.000 This is not like some outlier. 0.99

02:53:29.000 Right. 0.87

02:53:29.000 And so when I saw the numbers and I'm like, holy shit, like Honda only sold this number of whatever last month. 0.87

02:53:34.000 Now we have this significant, we kind of have proof of concept in a different way now.

02:53:39.000 Yeah, I definitely agree with you there.

02:53:42.000 I think that the proven brand of Tesla has gotten people so excited about what this guy's capable of with a smaller, less expensive car that the price of entry for the Model S or whatever it is, the expensive one, was a little too much.

02:53:57.000 Yeah, yeah, certainly.

02:53:58.000 When you come around with a $35,000 version of it, and it looks pretty dope, and it has that big laptop screen just like the other ones do, people just jumped in.

02:54:06.000 Yeah, oh yeah, 100%.

02:54:07.000 But the part that brought me to Tesla in the first place was just the autonomy of them.

02:54:11.000 They're completely capable right now of driving themselves.

02:54:14.000 They do.

02:54:14.000 I have a buddy who does it.

02:54:16.000 He gets on the highway and texts.

02:54:17.000 Oh yeah, 100%.

02:54:18.000 He just drives.

02:54:19.000 Well, apparently the BMW 7 Series does the same thing as well.

02:54:22.000 And certain Mercedes-Benz.

02:54:23.000 But they want you to have your hand on the wheel.

02:54:25.000 It actually asks you to have your hand on the wheel.

02:54:27.000 Which to me still makes...

02:54:29.000 Makes a little bit of sense.

02:54:30.000 I know.

02:54:30.000 See, that's the thing.

02:54:31.000 Obviously, there's going to be some friction between where we're going and where we're at and how much control we're willing to give to these systems.

02:54:39.000 But getting back to the pizza thing, that's a huge one.

02:54:43.000 If we're willing to give up control of our vehicles, I think we're also probably willing to give up control of a lot of other things.

02:54:51.000 I'm not sure if we talked about this before, but there was this really interesting...

02:54:57.000 I don't know if I read it or if it was on a podcast.

02:54:59.000 It was relating to Facebook in the early days and how one of the biggest issues they had was people getting tagged in photographs that didn't want to be tagged.

02:55:08.000 And so they did this kind of test where they were like, well, how the hell do we allow people to get taken off the photograph without having to go to their friend and saying, I don't want to be tagged in that photograph?

02:55:19.000 Because that was an embarrassing thing to do.

02:55:21.000 Right.

02:55:21.000 And so what they did is they put in these stock answers that you can send off to your friend.

02:55:27.000 Like, select A, B, C. Like, I don't want to be in that photo or I look stupid or whatever.

02:55:33.000 And the second that they made it a multiple choice, way more people began to use it because they didn't have to come up with their own reason.

02:55:41.000 They felt like it was more accessible.

02:55:44.000 So humans are low friction. 1.00

02:55:45.000 We're lazy as fuck. 0.99

02:55:47.000 And many times we get overwhelmed at the prospect of having to come up with our own, I don't know, our own method for dealing with the awkwardness of life. 0.99

02:55:56.000 So if you can imagine in the future, if these things, our phones and the systems we interact with...

02:56:03.000 Get really smart at figuring out the correct responses for certain inquiries.

02:56:08.000 Let's say a girl texts you and she's like, hey man, meet me at 8pm or call me later.

02:56:13.000 What if your phone knows better than you are, than you do, at what the correct response is if you want to sleep with her later?

02:56:20.000 Like, here's the 50% likelihood if you say this...

02:56:23.000 This might be the outcome.

02:56:25.000 But if you say that, you understand where I'm going with this?

02:56:27.000 Well, sort of, but that doesn't take into account personality and the playful nature that people engage in each other and how that's attractive.

02:56:34.000 It takes into account nothing of that.

02:56:36.000 Right.

02:56:36.000 Okay?

02:56:37.000 But you and I are fully aware of that.

02:56:39.000 Facebook has this exorbitant amount of data to say people aren't doing that.

02:56:43.000 Right. 0.99

02:56:44.000 People prefer to have the fucking stock response. 0.99

02:56:47.000 Look at emoji. 1.00

02:56:48.000 Where the fuck did emoji come from? 0.99

02:56:50.000 Hmm. 0.99

02:56:51.000 And now everybody's like...

02:56:52.000 It's like there's a face for everything.

02:56:54.000 Right.

02:56:54.000 You used to make your own fake ones on your phone with characters.

02:56:58.000 And before that, you didn't do it at all.

02:56:59.000 I still do that.

02:57:00.000 I don't use emojis.

02:57:01.000 Well, anyway, they blew up.

02:57:02.000 Everybody's using them now as this alternative form to expressing yourself with the tools you have available because they're de facto.

02:57:10.000 So there's something accepting about seeing...

02:57:14.000 Answering a multiple choice question versus one that requires more input from you.

02:57:18.000 The same reason people jump to conclusions when they're building a response or a perspective on any of those issues.

02:57:23.000 And I envision a future.

02:57:25.000 I mean, if you've ever used any of the wearable devices, I'm not wearing one right now. 0.97

02:57:29.000 They fucking bother me way too much.

02:57:31.000 What do you got on there? 0.99

02:57:31.000 This is just a G-Shock. 0.99

02:57:33.000 It's a plain watch.

02:57:33.000 Okay.

02:57:34.000 Because these things, like, I don't understand how that's helpful, to be quite honest.

02:57:38.000 I don't like it.

02:57:40.000 It interrupts more than anything else.

02:57:41.000 It's like, the objective was what?

02:57:42.000 To get me to look at my phone less?

02:57:44.000 But now I'm flashing you in the face every five seconds?

02:57:47.000 Yeah, it is odd.

02:57:47.000 Like, they really didn't solve the problem.

02:57:49.000 Maybe we have to figure out how to use them better.

02:57:51.000 But one thing I noticed immediately on the Apple Watch when I was experimenting with it was the auto-responses.

02:57:57.000 For questions, for texts, for anything.

02:57:59.000 It would have five or six options for how to get back to that person.

02:58:02.000 And maybe none of them are perfect, but just the easiness of it is why you want to interact with it.

02:58:08.000 You're like, ah, fuck, maybe I'm not late because I'm at the grocery store, but it's easier than pulling out my phone and telling the person where I actually am. 0.85

02:58:15.000 How far away do you think we are from entire conversations taking place with predetermined questions and answers? 0.99

02:58:22.000 This is what I'm talking about.

02:58:23.000 I'm saying that.

02:58:24.000 Pete's is shrinking.

02:58:25.000 And our involvement in any of this, the meaning of any of this, is becoming less evident.

02:58:31.000 Eventually, it'll be computers talking to computers through us.

02:58:34.000 And then...

02:58:34.000 We'll just be the vehicle for the delivery.

02:58:36.000 And we'll be the thing that helps it get to that point.

02:58:39.000 Well, isn't that the thing that people are worried about more than anything anyway, is artificial intelligence?

02:58:44.000 And what better way for artificial intelligence to emerge than to convince us to stop using our own?

02:58:49.000 Yes.

02:58:50.000 Yes.

02:58:52.000 It's an amazing hack.

02:58:54.000 It is.

02:58:54.000 It plays on our own inability to put in work.

02:58:58.000 Well, it also reduces variables and it cuts down the unlikelihood of success.

02:59:04.000 It cuts down on all the possible pitfalls and mistakes and chooses a much more potentially successful scenario for you.

02:59:13.000 And this is what's going on on the web on a daily basis. 0.98

02:59:15.000 When you're on YouTube and that next recommended video comes up and it catches your attention, that's this fucking thing in action. 0.99

02:59:21.000 And it works. 0.98

02:59:23.000 And they're the smartest people in the world, engineers sitting around day and night, A-B testing.

02:59:28.000 What works on Joe Rogan?

02:59:29.000 What works on this other person?

02:59:31.000 And then hyper-focusing in on the success stories.

02:59:35.000 And finding the things that are universal.

02:59:38.000 And ultimately what we end up finding out is that we all think we're so fucking unique, yet our behavior is the complete opposite. 0.99

02:59:44.000 We all do the shit we're expected to do.

02:59:47.000 So fascinating that no one saw any of this coming either like 10 years ago No one thought that that was gonna be a real issue that you're gonna have a bunch of Predetermined answers to a phone call coming in how do you respond with a text? 0.83

02:59:59.000 Yes gives you a bunch of options.

03:00:00.000 Yes.

03:00:00.000 Nobody Nobody thought that that was like a slippery slope.

03:00:04.000 How about this? 0.99

03:00:04.000 How about how do you trust that anything if you're gonna be like fuck Is the robot talking to me again or is it actually you this time? 0.99

03:00:12.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

03:00:13.000 Can you imagine having those conversations with your loved ones? 1.00

03:00:15.000 Yo, turn your fucking, turn your robotic responses off. 1.00

03:00:18.000 Yeah, right? 1.00

03:00:19.000 Because what about getting back to people, right? 0.98

03:00:21.000 I suck at it. 0.52

03:00:22.000 What about robotic responses that mimic the way that you talk all the time? 0.97

03:00:26.000 Yes, because they're analyzing your keyboard in real time and making suggestions already.

03:00:30.000 Yeah.

03:00:30.000 They're already pooling the data.

03:00:32.000 Yeah.

03:00:32.000 You know, but the thing is, we know we're lazy to begin with.

03:00:35.000 Now, if we can get this system in place to auto-respond, I can't even get to all the emails I have right now.

03:00:40.000 Right.

03:00:40.000 So, if I can turn this guy on when I'm not available, this responder...

03:00:46.000 Answer emails for you.

03:00:47.000 Bingo.

03:00:48.000 Oh, if you could download your consciousness into a robot assistant that knows exactly what you would say.

03:00:53.000 Yeah, robot version of me.

03:00:56.000 Is it me saying it, though?

03:00:59.000 Nope.

03:01:00.000 I don't know.

03:01:02.000 Then you're getting into the whole what is consciousness thing.

03:01:05.000 I don't even know if it's transferable.

03:01:07.000 If it is transferable, then it would be you, right?

03:01:10.000 Is it essential?

03:01:11.000 Yeah.

03:01:11.000 Is it necessary?

03:01:12.000 Or are these emotions and all these things that we're clinging to, we hold on to so dearly, are they just artifacts of our ancient primate ancestors?

03:01:20.000 Yeah, 100%.

03:01:22.000 Definitely.

03:01:22.000 I think the cool part of this, like the weird thing to identify is how our physiology has been kind of the system for the distribution.

03:01:32.000 Like our own, we talked, we started off the podcast talking about entitled people, talking about that self-centric emerging kind of way of living.

03:01:41.000 And you look at these things, that's what they needed.

03:01:43.000 They needed us to develop into those people.

03:01:46.000 We had to become dependent on them.

03:01:48.000 We had to have everything we wanted to see available on a whim for us to become the person necessary to continue this distribution process.

03:01:56.000 We had to rely on it.

03:01:58.000 We had to stop relying on ourselves in order to enable the reliance on something else.

03:02:04.000 We shut down our own sort of Our own sort of response mechanisms for a lot of things. 0.99

03:02:11.000 I wake up in the morning and this fucking thing, I pick it up. 0.99

03:02:14.000 I pick it up and I look at it and my fucking neck is cranked up and I'm in pain. 0.99

03:02:19.000 Why have I not had a coffee yet? 0.99

03:02:21.000 Why am I not on my way to work?

03:02:23.000 Why am I not making something that I get incredible amount of fulfillment out of?

03:02:28.000 And again, I think a lot of people aren't willing to admit this.

03:02:31.000 Nobody ever wants to admit that something has control over them.

03:02:34.000 But in this particular case, there are plenty of times where I go, why am I looking at this right now?

03:02:38.000 And I'm still looking!

03:02:39.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

03:02:40.000 It's fucked! 1.00

03:02:40.000 And then you go check something else, and then you go look at this. 1.00

03:02:42.000 It is fucked. 1.00

03:02:43.000 It is, in a lot of ways. 1.00

03:02:44.000 Well, that's why a lot of people are flipping the flip phones.

03:02:46.000 Great transition.

03:02:47.000 I have a phone in my office right now.

03:02:50.000 It's called Punk'd.

03:02:51.000 Bring up a picture of this thing.

03:02:52.000 Punk'd?

03:02:53.000 It's made by a company in Denmark.

03:02:54.000 It is the intentionally modern, nice-to-look-at dumb phone for people trying to get off the system.

03:03:01.000 Bring it up.

03:03:02.000 Whatever happened to discipline?

03:03:05.000 See, is that fair?

03:03:06.000 Is it fair?

03:03:07.000 Sure.

03:03:08.000 If you leave heroin out. 0.62

03:03:10.000 Are you going to shoot heroin?

03:03:11.000 I don't shoot heroin. 0.84

03:03:12.000 Well, here's the thing. 0.84

03:03:13.000 Are you going to shoot heroin? 0.84

03:03:14.000 I have discipline. 0.96

03:03:15.000 Yeah.

03:03:16.000 I'm sure it's wonderful.

03:03:17.000 But the heroin addicts, it's right there.

03:03:19.000 You can't have it right there.

03:03:20.000 What happened when they put, what was that study?

03:03:23.000 The cocaine in the mouse?

03:03:24.000 Yeah, that study's no good.

03:03:25.000 No?

03:03:26.000 No.

03:03:26.000 Here's why.

03:03:27.000 Because it's in an artificial environment.

03:03:28.000 Oh yeah, they were depressed to begin with.

03:03:30.000 Well, they're in a cage, and they're being stared at by people.

03:03:34.000 If you take those monkeys, those same mice, and you leave them in the woods, they wouldn't be doing the cocaine.

03:03:38.000 Yeah, they'd be happy in woods mice.

03:03:39.000 But here's the thing.

03:03:40.000 You have data, and you have opinion, right? 0.96

03:03:44.000 And in big fucking digital companies, they value one way more than the other. 0.97

03:03:49.000 Right. 0.99

03:03:49.000 Data. 0.99

03:03:50.000 And the truth of the matter is that people can't keep away.

03:03:54.000 Whether we want to argue it, it's like we are the proof.

03:03:59.000 The evidence is out there.

03:04:00.000 Or it's hijacked our curiosity.

03:04:01.000 With every click, something fascinating may come, even if it doesn't.

03:04:05.000 There you go.

03:04:06.000 Even if it doesn't.

03:04:06.000 There you go.

03:04:07.000 So it's like, discipline over what?

03:04:09.000 Discipline over the way we think about everything?

03:04:11.000 You know what I mean?

03:04:13.000 We just have to recognize when it becomes a problem, stop using it that way.

03:04:16.000 Yeah, but again, I think that's like, it's not going to slow it down.

03:04:22.000 It's not going to slow it down for everybody, that's for sure.

03:04:24.000 Or most people.

03:04:25.000 The mass movement continues on.

03:04:28.000 You find this punk thing?

03:04:30.000 He can't find it.

03:04:31.000 Oh, it's P-U-N-K-T. Sorry, they're getting fancy with... 1.00

03:04:37.000 What can I say?

03:04:38.000 They're from Denmark.

03:04:39.000 Maybe that's how they spell it there?

03:04:42.000 Yeah.

03:04:43.000 It has battery life for like two weeks.

03:04:46.000 Really?

03:04:47.000 All it does is make phone calls!

03:04:50.000 You know, anyway.

03:04:51.000 Yeah, look at that little guy right there. 1.00

03:04:53.000 The punk phone launched at the London Design Festival lets you call and text.

03:04:57.000 It also has nice buttons and it's easy to hold.

03:05:00.000 And that's about it.

03:05:02.000 Okay, but the texting even is that old school method of like...

03:05:05.000 Yeah, so you're not going to want to, yeah.

03:05:07.000 Yeah, you press four times to get a Z. Yeah.

03:05:10.000 Yeah.

03:05:11.000 But see, the weird thing was...

03:05:13.000 For somebody who wanted to make this statement, you had to go buy literally some old device.

03:05:18.000 Well, here's a new one.

03:05:20.000 It's a modern design, but it's intentionally done.

03:05:24.000 Yeah.

03:05:25.000 You know what the designer is saying about it?

03:05:27.000 They're not trying to convince people to quit with their smartphone.

03:05:31.000 They're just saying, hey, put a SIM card in it.

03:05:34.000 Set up call forwarding when you go on vacation.

03:05:36.000 And just don't take this.

03:05:38.000 If somebody really needs you, they can get in touch with you.

03:05:40.000 Right.

03:05:41.000 But otherwise, you're not going to have that pull.

03:05:43.000 And so I haven't cracked it open yet.

03:05:45.000 I'm going to do a challenge.

03:05:47.000 Well, I'd like a flip phone better than that, honestly.

03:05:49.000 Because flip phones, you can shut it to hang up, which is like the ultimate hang up.

03:05:54.000 It's pretty cool.

03:05:55.000 Yeah, I mean, I missed that.

03:05:57.000 Click.

03:05:58.000 Yeah.

03:05:59.000 Perk out.

03:06:00.000 Flip phones are cool, don't get me wrong.

03:06:02.000 I had a flip phone too.

03:06:04.000 I don't know why they took that particular approach.

03:06:05.000 I just think they're interesting because they're making that statement as opposed to like the flip phone marketplace, which is just like old leftover phones.

03:06:13.000 I feel like you can just self-discipline.

03:06:15.000 Maybe I'm old school.

03:06:16.000 Joe, there's no such thing.

03:06:18.000 I like it.

03:06:19.000 I use discipline. 0.99

03:06:19.000 Listen, I think discipline is fucking incredible. 0.99

03:06:23.000 It's one of the greatest characteristics a human being can have. 0.98

03:06:27.000 But.

03:06:28.000 I didn't say but.

03:06:29.000 You were ready to.

03:06:29.000 You said but.

03:06:31.000 No, I mean, when it comes to phones, I think we have the evidence.

03:06:33.000 I think we have the evidence.

03:06:34.000 We certainly do.

03:06:35.000 Even you, I believe you have that moment that I spoke of.

03:06:37.000 Oh, 100%.

03:06:38.000 Definitely do.

03:06:39.000 So where's the discipline at that point?

03:06:40.000 When I realized it, I put it down.

03:06:42.000 Right, but it's too late.

03:06:43.000 It already got you.

03:06:44.000 Not too late.

03:06:44.000 It already clickbaited you.

03:06:45.000 No, and then I realize the next day and I don't do it.

03:06:47.000 I check my text messages when I wake up.

03:06:49.000 I look at people I care about that actually have my number.

03:06:51.000 I look at that.

03:06:52.000 I go, okay.

03:06:53.000 Then I check my emails or anything super important I have to get to. 0.99

03:06:56.000 And then I put that fucker down and then I go about my day. 0.99

03:06:59.000 And you know what? 0.99

03:06:59.000 I think I'm coming off kind of harsh here. 0.99

03:07:01.000 I'm a guy who talks about technology all the time. 0.97

03:07:03.000 It sounds like I'm shitting on technology. 0.61

03:07:04.000 No, you're just recognizing a real issue. 0.78

03:07:06.000 That's all.

03:07:08.000 So I'm going to do an experiment.

03:07:10.000 I have the punk phone.

03:07:11.000 I'm going to do, and I'm announcing it here.

03:07:13.000 Okay.

03:07:13.000 This is the first time anybody's heard of it.

03:07:15.000 How long are you going to live on the punk phone?

03:07:18.000 This is what I want to ask you.

03:07:19.000 I'm going to send you text messages with nothing but YouTube links.

03:07:23.000 Nothing but links to websites and autopilot videos.

03:07:28.000 I want to Rickroll you. 0.57

03:07:29.000 This is sabotage.

03:07:30.000 This is a real question for you, coming from your perspective.

03:07:34.000 How long do I need to do it for to really gather the insight necessary to say, hey, this is how this thing is changing me?

03:07:41.000 I think you should talk to someone who's done it.

03:07:42.000 Like, what you should do is you should have a conversation with Ari Shafir.

03:07:46.000 So he's had a text phone, or a flip phone rather, for over a year now.

03:07:49.000 Still?

03:07:50.000 Oh, yeah.

03:07:51.000 Yeah, he decided he was an addict, and he said, look, I'm not going to change it any other way.

03:07:55.000 I tried to say, well, just have some discipline.

03:07:57.000 Nope, not going to do it, because I'm an addict.

03:08:00.000 And so he just got a flip phone, and that's all he uses.

03:08:02.000 He has a flip phone that flips two ways, so you can flip it sideways and actually has a full keyboard, so he can send a reasonable text message.

03:08:09.000 But that's what he does.

03:08:12.000 Talk to him.

03:08:13.000 I mean, some people have told me that in order to build a habit, it has to be 30 days?

03:08:21.000 I think it's 90. Oh, shit. 1.00

03:08:23.000 That ain't gonna happen. 1.00

03:08:25.000 You can't do it for 90 days?

03:08:27.000 Dude, what am I gonna do on my channel?

03:08:31.000 Would you do it for 30, though?

03:08:33.000 30 days?

03:08:34.000 30 was the high end of consideration.

03:08:36.000 I was thinking two weeks.

03:08:37.000 Yeah.

03:08:38.000 Give it a shot.

03:08:39.000 Yeah.

03:08:39.000 I don't know.

03:08:40.000 But for me, it's hard because it's kind of my business, too.

03:08:43.000 Right.

03:08:44.000 It's different.

03:08:45.000 Well, it's mine as well.

03:08:46.000 With comedy, I rely heavily on information.

03:08:50.000 I rely...

03:08:50.000 And podcasting as well.

03:08:52.000 I rely really heavily on finding out what's going on in the world, what's the new latest shit that's going down right now. 0.98

03:08:58.000 I mean... 0.95

03:08:59.000 So many times during this podcast, Jamie will pull something up as the podcast is going on, like, breaking news, check this out.

03:09:05.000 Paris just got attacked, or this just happened, or that just, you know?

03:09:09.000 Conor McGregor retired. 1.00

03:09:10.000 We gotta end this, bitch. 1.00

03:09:11.000 We're out of time. 1.00

03:09:12.000 Okay.

03:09:12.000 Really?

03:09:13.000 Are we?

03:09:13.000 Oh, we flew by.

03:09:14.000 Three plus hours.

03:09:16.000 What?

03:09:16.000 Yeah, we're over three hours.

03:09:17.000 We win.

03:09:17.000 Dude.

03:09:18.000 See, it's so easy.

03:09:20.000 Like, what we were saying before.

03:09:22.000 It is.

03:09:22.000 Like, it's really harder to end it than it is to just...

03:09:25.000 I mean, it's easy to keep going.

03:09:28.000 Keeping going is the easy part.

03:09:30.000 It's incredible.

03:09:30.000 Lewis from Unbox Therapy, ladies and gentlemen.

03:09:32.000 Enjoy it on YouTube.

03:09:33.000 The most, uh, really intensive, uh, like, comprehensive breakdowns of technology from a cool dude.

03:09:42.000 Thanks, brother.

03:09:42.000 Appreciate it, man.

03:09:43.000 Thank you.

03:09:43.000 We'll do this more often, man.

03:09:44.000 You got it. 1.00

03:09:45.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

03:09:45.000 See you soon. 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 30, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #792 - Lewis, from Unbox Therapy

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