The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #828 - Duncan Trussell

00:00:09.000 Man, we're live.

00:00:11.000 Oh, wow.

00:00:12.000 Phil's live, too.

00:00:14.000 How do you know it went live?

00:00:16.000 I trust this guy.

00:00:18.000 You just sense it when it happens?

00:00:20.000 He tells me.

00:00:21.000 Oh.

00:00:21.000 He gives me a countdown.

00:00:22.000 Oh, okay, I see.

00:00:23.000 He gives me a countdown, and then he does this.

00:00:25.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:00:27.000 I'm trying to bring that back when you see people and you like them.

00:00:29.000 You give them the double guns.

00:00:33.000 It's a hard sell these days.

00:00:35.000 Why?

00:00:35.000 Everybody's scared of guns.

00:00:37.000 Oh, you're saying...

00:00:38.000 People don't think it's funny.

00:00:41.000 You know, like if the odds of you doing it, you have to do it within a certain amount of time from a mass shooting, right?

00:00:48.000 Like you couldn't do it the day of.

00:00:50.000 It couldn't be like a Columbine.

00:00:51.000 You're like, Duncan! 0.99

00:00:54.000 People are like, wow, he's so morose. 1.00

00:00:57.000 What a fucked up sense of humor that guy's got. 1.00

00:00:59.000 He's making fun day of. 1.00

00:01:01.000 How could you?

00:01:02.000 Why's that funny to him?

00:01:03.000 That is not funny. 0.99

00:01:04.000 I can't believe you're fucking doing those signs. 0.99

00:01:06.000 Dude, come on. 1.00

00:01:07.000 Can I sit down and talk to you for a second?

00:01:09.000 Bro, don't you think it's time?

00:01:10.000 It's time to really talk about using these gun gestures because honestly, I know it's not really hurting anybody, but we have to pay respect to the people who have lost their lives from these terrible weapons.

00:01:23.000 And I just think we should remove it for reals.

00:01:25.000 You just show me the replacement emoji.

00:01:28.000 Apple has a new emoji.

00:01:29.000 They got rid of the pistol and they turned it into a water gun. 0.90

00:01:33.000 I'll tell you, man, every time I looked at that old pistol emoji, and this is no joke, when I used to look at it, it just filled me with a desire to go shoot up a fucking shopping mall, that emoji. 0.86

00:01:43.000 So I'm glad they got rid of it. 0.94

00:01:45.000 Me, it made me want to go back to the Old West.

00:01:48.000 I wanted to be like a cowboy.

00:01:50.000 Maybe if they had shopping malls. 0.88

00:01:51.000 Wait, wait, [...

00:01:55.000 Apple adds more gender-diverse emojis in iOS 10. That's what Apple adds.

00:02:00.000 Please explain it.

00:02:01.000 I just Googled new emoji to find the water piston.

00:02:03.000 And this is what came up first?

00:02:05.000 How dare you?

00:02:06.000 How dare you bring this up?

00:02:08.000 100 new and redesigned emoji characters, including no more guns.

00:02:13.000 Oh, female athletes. 1.00

00:02:15.000 Okay.

00:02:15.000 That's cool.

00:02:16.000 That's cool.

00:02:17.000 Oh, so, okay.

00:02:17.000 Gender diverse.

00:02:19.000 All right.

00:02:21.000 I'm a little too high for this show.

00:02:22.000 I was thinking gender neutral.

00:02:24.000 There we go.

00:02:25.000 Look at those beauts. 1.00

00:02:26.000 Those are some sweet new emojis.

00:02:29.000 That's actually cool.

00:02:30.000 Nothing wrong with that.

00:02:31.000 Emojis are weird. 0.98

00:02:32.000 It's weird when like friends start sending you emojis because like for the longest time guys never sent emojis.

00:02:39.000 No way.

00:02:40.000 And now it's happening.

00:02:41.000 I love them, man. 0.99

00:02:41.000 What a useful fucking thing. 0.99

00:02:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:02:43.000 The animated gifs and the emojis, praise God in heaven. 0.99

00:02:47.000 It's so great.

00:02:48.000 It saves so much time.

00:02:49.000 It gets across so much more.

00:02:51.000 Language is so limited, man.

00:02:53.000 We have to like...

00:02:54.000 It really is.

00:02:55.000 I think we're going to hieroglyphs.

00:02:58.000 Eventually, yeah.

00:02:59.000 I think that's what these emojis are.

00:03:01.000 Yeah, right.

00:03:02.000 I think they are a modern version of hieroglyphs.

00:03:05.000 That's right.

00:03:05.000 Yeah.

00:03:06.000 They articulate so much, you know.

00:03:08.000 It's like a very efficient form of language.

00:03:11.000 It just needs to get a little deeper so that the emojis are animated a little bit.

00:03:16.000 So that you can sort of tune in the emoji to the specific thing you're trying to convey to somebody.

00:03:23.000 Instead of just a smiley face.

00:03:25.000 Which they have in the Apple Watch.

00:03:28.000 You can control it a little bit, the smiley face emoji.

00:03:32.000 You just need to be able to dial it in a little bit more.

00:03:34.000 Do you think by limiting, like, by keeping it more open-ended, right?

00:03:40.000 Like, instead of having a bunch of, like, descriptives, nouns and verbs and things like that, instead of that, having more of an open-ended idea, like a smiley face.

00:03:50.000 Yeah.

00:03:51.000 Like a smiley face and then knuckles, which is like, yo, give me some knuckles.

00:03:57.000 I'll see you later.

00:03:57.000 Yeah.

00:03:58.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:58.000 Like, you can kind of, like, keep it in this...

00:04:01.000 Weird non-defined state like we both know what it is.

00:04:05.000 Yeah, but it's not it's not written anywhere Yeah, and it relieves you of having to like compose some sentence.

00:04:12.000 Do I use an exclamation mark here?

00:04:15.000 Should I use a comma?

00:04:16.000 What do I need to say?

00:04:17.000 I just want to go I'm gonna see him in like 20 minutes It's way easier to do like an alien head a thumbs up and a smiley face that says everything It's fun, too. 0.99

00:04:27.000 Yeah It's fun when someone sends you an alien head and then a pile of shit. 0.99

00:04:32.000 And you're like, what the hell does that mean? 0.99

00:04:36.000 How do I decipher this?

00:04:38.000 But yeah, it's such a wonderful emerging language.

00:04:44.000 It just needs to get animated.

00:04:46.000 And, you know, the animated GIFs are amazing for really going deep into how you're feeling.

00:04:52.000 Some of them are awesome.

00:04:53.000 Yeah.

00:04:54.000 They're fantastic.

00:04:55.000 They're fantastic.

00:04:56.000 It's so fun to send those things, man.

00:05:00.000 Well, memes.

00:05:01.000 I mean, like, internet memes.

00:05:04.000 Really funny ones are really like a new kind of comedy.

00:05:09.000 Yeah.

00:05:09.000 It's like a short, it's like these are jokes, these are like punchlines, but sometimes better than someone saying anything because you're seeing it.

00:05:17.000 Right. 0.79

00:05:18.000 Like Tom Segura had one on his page today with his face, and there's a popular one that keeps going around, When You Nut But She Keeps Sucking. 0.75

00:05:29.000 Look at Tom Segura's.

00:05:31.000 I mean, this is in no way saying that he invented this, because I think he'd be the first to admit.

00:05:37.000 He's piggybacking on a meme that we all know, right?

00:05:41.000 Right.

00:05:42.000 I don't know who wrote that first meme, when you nut, and she keeps looking.

00:05:46.000 Look at his face!

00:05:49.000 Look at his face!

00:05:50.000 Oh my god, it's hilarious. 1.00

00:05:53.000 But this meme, when you nut and she keeps sucking, there's like fucking hundreds of them. 0.99

00:05:59.000 Have you seen them? 0.99

00:06:00.000 Like, just Google when you nut and she keeps sucking, and then go to images. 0.99

00:06:04.000 And you'll be like, oh my god. 0.95

00:06:06.000 There's so many.

00:06:08.000 Wow, look at that.

00:06:09.000 Dude, there's hundreds of these.

00:06:12.000 Wow.

00:06:15.000 I would like to know the percentage. 0.99

00:06:17.000 I'd like to know the percentage of people who have created these that have never gotten a blowjob. 0.87

00:06:23.000 I wonder what it is, like 15, 20%? 0.94

00:06:27.000 That's a good one.

00:06:28.000 That's Superman.

00:06:28.000 That's a good one.

00:06:35.000 It's funny because you could put that on faces all throughout history, you know? 0.86

00:06:41.000 The chimp!

00:06:42.000 Oh my god!

00:06:45.000 And there's also versions of it. 1.00

00:06:47.000 How you be when you bust, but she keeps sucking. 1.00

00:06:50.000 Or she's still sucking. 1.00

00:06:51.000 This guy's playing the cello. 1.00

00:06:54.000 When you finish, but she keeps sucking. 1.00

00:06:58.000 There's so many of them. 0.96

00:06:59.000 That might be like one of the most persistent jokes currently on the internet.

00:07:02.000 Oh my god, it's a Bill Cosby one.

00:07:04.000 Oh look, they've got the one of the Indian guy who died during a speech, had a stroke.

00:07:10.000 What?

00:07:10.000 Yeah, that guy just died.

00:07:12.000 Oh, I saw that on the internet.

00:07:14.000 Is that what happened?

00:07:14.000 Yeah.

00:07:15.000 He had a stroke as he was speaking?

00:07:17.000 Yes.

00:07:17.000 Whoa.

00:07:18.000 See, look, you can look right before in the related images.

00:07:22.000 Whoa, that's incredible.

00:07:24.000 See?

00:07:24.000 Right before in the universe, out of the universe.

00:07:26.000 Whoa.

00:07:27.000 In, out.

00:07:28.000 And he died right there?

00:07:29.000 Yeah, I think, well, I mean, depends on how you define death.

00:07:32.000 Oh, goodbye.

00:07:34.000 Out of here.

00:07:36.000 The best death. 0.80

00:07:37.000 That is crazy.

00:07:37.000 The best death.

00:07:38.000 That's one of the best deaths you're witnessing.

00:07:41.000 He just made a great point that he thinks is kind of funny, and then he dies.

00:07:46.000 Gone.

00:07:46.000 Wow.

00:07:47.000 A blessed exit from this incarnation.

00:07:50.000 That is a crazy image.

00:07:53.000 Yeah.

00:07:56.000 Who is that guy?

00:07:57.000 Do you know who he is?

00:07:58.000 Nope.

00:08:01.000 How'd you find him, Jamie?

00:08:02.000 Just from the stack?

00:08:04.000 Yeah.

00:08:04.000 That's a crazy story.

00:08:06.000 Who, like, it's so funny, when he died, he guaranteed did not think he would land in a, when you nut and she could keep sucking meme, that the power of his death, that he would shatter into a million things, and one of them is a meme. 0.65

00:08:22.000 Well, here's the thing about these memes.

00:08:24.000 There's guys who are like meme artists, and they're really, really funny.

00:08:29.000 And then there's also people that They're kind of like Carlos Mencia memes.

00:08:36.000 I probably should stop using that guy's name like that.

00:08:39.000 It's rude.

00:08:40.000 What's really sad is everyone knows what that means.

00:08:44.000 Someone just tweeted that there's a product in the UK That stole Mitch Hedberg's joke.

00:08:54.000 It's a rice product that has just written in the back his joke, like when you want to eat rice, when you want to eat 2,000 of the same things or whatever.

00:09:03.000 They just popped that right on the back, but they didn't credit him.

00:09:07.000 They credited the name of their mascot for the company.

00:09:11.000 Well, it's a problem with memes because people do it all the time.

00:09:15.000 There's people that have pages where all their memes are someone else's that they don't give credit for.

00:09:20.000 Right.

00:09:21.000 And then they get caught, and then they have to start retweeting stuff.

00:09:26.000 But sometimes you retweet the wrong person.

00:09:28.000 You retweet someone who just copied it from somebody else.

00:09:33.000 I've had that happen more than once.

00:09:35.000 You don't know.

00:09:36.000 But they're funny.

00:09:37.000 So it's like, what do you do?

00:09:38.000 Do you just retweet it because you think it's funny and you laugh?

00:09:41.000 Or should you hold on to it until you can find ownership?

00:09:44.000 Of the meme?

00:09:45.000 Yeah.

00:09:45.000 I mean...

00:09:46.000 It's a good question, right?

00:09:48.000 It's a good...

00:09:48.000 I think if you...

00:09:50.000 Can give credit.

00:09:51.000 Give credit.

00:09:52.000 But if we spend too much time getting caught up in meme distribution, then we're gonna lose what is so beautiful about the thing, which is that I create some meme, upload it to the internet, and it either like just molders on Imgur or whatever,

00:10:07.000 or It just scatters in a trillion pieces everywhere.

00:10:11.000 There's something really cool and beautiful in that.

00:10:14.000 And I don't think meme transmitters are thieves, mostly. 1.00

00:10:19.000 There's just a few scumbags who take people's shit and don't credit them, and then they get punished. 0.99

00:10:25.000 Usually they get punished by the internet, and severely. 1.00

00:10:29.000 Absolutely.

00:10:31.000 There have been a bunch of people that have done it and they're now making money off of it.

00:10:35.000 That's where it gets weird.

00:10:36.000 Because there's a bunch of people that are just really funny and maybe they're introverts and they never were really good at cracking jokes socially because they're nervous, but they're funny.

00:10:46.000 They have a funny mind.

00:10:47.000 And so this is a form of joke writing and joke telling.

00:10:52.000 A really good one, too. 0.99

00:10:54.000 So somebody had to be the first person to come up with when she, you know, when you come, but she keeps sucking. 1.00

00:11:02.000 So this is like this massive plagiarism that we're all laughing at. 0.96

00:11:07.000 Yeah, but you know...

00:11:08.000 Is that what it is?

00:11:09.000 I don't think...

00:11:09.000 I mean, how do you...

00:11:12.000 Like, that guy deserves credit, because he is funny, right?

00:11:15.000 The guy who invented it first?

00:11:16.000 Yeah, that's a funny guy.

00:11:17.000 Like, that was a good idea.

00:11:18.000 It's funny.

00:11:19.000 He definitely deserves credit for it.

00:11:21.000 So, I know what you're saying, but then eventually you're gonna...

00:11:26.000 Like, I guess you can watermark your meme, right?

00:11:28.000 I guess, yeah.

00:11:29.000 Like, he could have watermarked it.

00:11:30.000 You see that sometimes, but eventually the watermark is gonna get taken off, because, you know, people are putting in new pics.

00:11:36.000 Well, yeah.

00:11:37.000 I mean, the second one is there's hundreds of different images, so you could never watermark that.

00:11:42.000 And what's very funny about it is, take the word cum, for example. 0.95

00:11:46.000 There was a first human who, for whatever reason, decided to call his ejaculation cum. 0.99

00:11:54.000 He just decided on, who the fuck was that guy? 0.99

00:11:56.000 That's a huge point, because that's universal. 0.99

00:12:00.000 It's universal, yeah.

00:12:04.000 How do you trace it back?

00:12:05.000 I mean, every single word that a human being uses, theoretically, you could follow it backwards through time in the same way you follow any organic life form.

00:12:15.000 It's called etymology.

00:12:17.000 You can look at the weird way that language mutates over time, and you know that somewhere way, way back in the back of the line, there had to be somebody who's like, We'll call it a mountain, or whatever the precursor term for mountain was.

00:12:33.000 Somebody was like, it's a hula.

00:12:35.000 Someone does that, right?

00:12:36.000 Has to, right?

00:12:37.000 Has to, someone.

00:12:40.000 Isn't that the idea that at one point in time we all had a universal language, but it became a giant issue because people were sort of conspiring And they were talking too much.

00:12:51.000 So one of the ways that God had separated us.

00:12:53.000 I might be butchering this story.

00:12:54.000 You're talking about the Tower of Babel. 0.81

00:12:56.000 Yeah.

00:12:57.000 They wanted to construct a tower to reach heaven. 1.00

00:13:01.000 And God was, I guess, like, fuck that. 1.00

00:13:04.000 It's like when ants get in your house or whatever. 1.00

00:13:06.000 They're getting too advanced.

00:13:08.000 Do you think that's a reverse engineered idea?

00:13:11.000 Like do you think that someone who maybe has experienced like brief moments of human potential and realized like we're missing out on what people are capable of.

00:13:21.000 There's got to be a way where we could all come together. 0.86

00:13:25.000 But when there's people from one country, like Japan, and they're arguing with someone from Germany, and how much of what the fuck each person is saying is even getting through? 0.98

00:13:34.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:13:34.000 You know? 0.97

00:13:34.000 I mean, you're having translators. 0.97

00:13:36.000 You're supposed to be going to war with people. 0.99

00:13:37.000 You don't even understand what they're saying.

00:13:39.000 Right.

00:13:39.000 Right?

00:13:39.000 Imagine that.

00:13:40.000 Yeah.

00:13:40.000 We could all speak to each other.

00:13:42.000 We all could speak one language.

00:13:44.000 Yeah, what would happen?

00:13:45.000 I mean, isn't that like maybe what that Tower of Babel is all about?

00:13:49.000 Sort of like a reverse-engineered.

00:13:52.000 Almost saying, imagine the power, the god-like power people could have if they could all openly and honestly communicate with each other freely.

00:14:01.000 And experience this idea that you're not my enemy because you were born over there.

00:14:07.000 This is nonsense. 1.00

00:14:09.000 This is some crazy old shit that we should have abandoned a long time ago. 1.00

00:14:12.000 You are looking in the Bible, those stories. 0.99

00:14:16.000 One thing that I just did, I'm so glad you brought this up, just for fun. 0.97

00:14:21.000 One of my favorite in the New Testament, my favorite gospels, the book of John, and the very beginning of the book of John is some of the trippiest shit you'll ever read.

00:14:32.000 I went back to that, and so I did a find and replace. 0.91

00:14:34.000 Anyone can do this.

00:14:35.000 It's so cool.

00:14:37.000 Find and replace the word God with the programmer, and then you can start replacing words with modern-day simulation theory ideas.

00:14:48.000 So, you know, when it talks about Jesus It's like he was sent into the simulation to bring an upgrade and those that accepted the upgrade would be children of the programmer.

00:15:04.000 You start doing that and suddenly you look at this like amazing, it gets really trippy, right?

00:15:10.000 So when you talk about the Tower of Babel and you look at it from the perspective of this is a simulation being run by some intelligent creator force, right? 0.91

00:15:21.000 So you see again and again, well not again and again, but right now I can think of two times where the programmer looks at the simulations like, oh shit, they're about to wake up.

00:15:31.000 Like the same way that Elon Musk is worried about AI becoming too powerful. 0.77

00:15:36.000 In the Bible, the programmer gets really fucking uncomfortable when the simulation appears to be gaining too much power and has to like shift the programming a little bit because there appears to be some kind of In the mythology of the Bible,

00:15:53.000 there seems to be a recurring nervousness that the programmer gets when it seems like the simulation is about to reach some certain level of power or awareness. 0.81

00:16:04.000 In the book of Genesis, they say, you know, they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, gained self-awareness, and there was another tree they weren't supposed to eat from, the tree of life.

00:16:15.000 And God says, it's weird because in the Quran and in the In the Bible, it's referred to as the plural rather than the singular, so God doesn't – the verse is something like, you know, if they eat from the tree of life,

00:16:31.000 they will become like us, right?

00:16:33.000 Not like me, like us.

00:16:35.000 So there's like, we can't keep these – we have to keep these beings Somewhat curtailed because we don't know what they're going to do if they gain too much power.

00:16:45.000 That's in the mythology of the thing.

00:16:47.000 And it kind of works from the simulation theory perspective.

00:16:50.000 If we're a simulation that's on the precipice of a kind of singularity, which would be the simulation somehow becoming self-aware, then for whatever reason, whoever's running the show doesn't want that to happen or hasn't wanted it to happen throughout time,

00:17:06.000 you know?

00:17:07.000 Well, it's also, if you're talking about eating from the tree of life and becoming like them, that is about as psychedelic as you can get.

00:17:18.000 You're literally talking about eating something and becoming a god.

00:17:21.000 You're talking about eating from the tree.

00:17:23.000 What is the tree of life?

00:17:24.000 Everybody's like, oh, whatever.

00:17:26.000 Yeah.

00:17:26.000 Whatever.

00:17:27.000 It's a tree.

00:17:28.000 It's, you know, what God, there was trees back then.

00:17:31.000 Sure.

00:17:31.000 Like, if you're a literal believer of the Bible, you have to think that there was not just an experience where God showed up, right?

00:17:39.000 Not just this thing that happened where God came down and spoke to you and elevated you.

00:17:44.000 No, you're saying people shouldn't eat from a tree.

00:17:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:49.000 Because they could become a god.

00:17:51.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:17:51.000 I mean, that's kind of, if you're translating stuff from ancient Hebrew, To Greek, to Latin, to all these different languages, to English, you know that there's some weird shit being lost along the way. 0.95

00:18:03.000 And one of them is probably calling it a tree. 0.60

00:18:05.000 Right. 0.93

00:18:06.000 Because we didn't even know there's a fucking amazing Radiolab out that's out right now. 0.83

00:18:13.000 It's about trees and the intelligence of trees and that trees communicate and that they share resources and that they allocate resources toward the needier ones. 0.92

00:18:23.000 They have this interaction with fungus, this symbiotic relationship with fungus.

00:18:30.000 It is fucking incredible, man, where the fungus are eating these microscopic bugs and getting their nutrients from these microscopic bugs, and that's where the trees are getting their nutrients from, and some of them get them from salmon.

00:18:44.000 There's trees that were like, they got 70% of their nitrogen from salmon because bears would eat under these trees. 0.99

00:18:51.000 They would eat and they would leave fish heads under the trees, and the bears would continue to return to these same trees, and these trees would eat the fucking fish. 0.63

00:19:00.000 The fungus inside their soil, the mycorrhizal relationship that they have, it's amazing, man. 0.98

00:19:08.000 It's amazing.

00:19:09.000 Dude, they're a life form that we are sleeping on.

00:19:13.000 Yeah.

00:19:14.000 Plants, and this is not a dig against anybody who's a vegetarian or anyone on the other end of the spectrum that only eats meat.

00:19:23.000 Take the ideologies out, because everybody knows that I eat meat.

00:19:27.000 Or everybody that listens to this podcast.

00:19:29.000 And I've had issues with people before that are proselytizing vegans.

00:19:33.000 Yeah.

00:19:33.000 I understand that you're doing it for a good reason.

00:19:36.000 You're doing it for the right purposes.

00:19:38.000 And I'm happy for everybody that is living their life that way.

00:19:41.000 If you're enjoying it and you're healthy, let's all just let that go.

00:19:45.000 Just look at this for a second.

00:19:47.000 Forget about what you're eating.

00:19:49.000 What plants are is some strange, intelligent network of organisms. 0.99

00:19:55.000 And when I say intelligent, I don't say it can fucking do math. 0.64

00:19:59.000 I'm not saying it can send emails and create... 0.99

00:20:03.000 Fucking moon rockets, but they communicate with each other. 0.99

00:20:06.000 There's something going on. 0.99

00:20:07.000 They don't need to do all those other things.

00:20:09.000 We defined intelligence far too frequently by what we have created and what we can do with our fingers and with our mouths and with our ability to communicate with each other audibly.

00:20:20.000 In a manner where I'm talking and you're hearing.

00:20:23.000 And we don't respect other forms of communication because of this.

00:20:26.000 We're so attached to our idea of what communicating is. 0.95

00:20:29.000 We're ignoring some really basic shit with how these plants and these fungi communicate with each other. 0.96

00:20:37.000 They're not just communicating with each other, they're sending signals. 0.98

00:20:40.000 If one of them is getting eaten, they're sending signals through the air, and it's forcing the other plants to change the way they taste to discourage predation.

00:20:49.000 They're communicating when they're hurt.

00:20:51.000 Wow.

00:20:52.000 Dude, they allocate resources to more needy plants. 1.00

00:20:55.000 They find out who in the network is needy, and they allocate resources.

00:20:59.000 This radio lab is fast.

00:21:01.000 Fascinating.

00:21:02.000 That's cool, man.

00:21:02.000 They share resources with these microbes or with these fungus.

00:21:07.000 And also because you were saying, well, they can't send emails.

00:21:10.000 But if you look at, I mean, you separated the human biome somehow from the plant kingdom, which you can't do.

00:21:20.000 We're completely connected to the plant kingdom because we...

00:21:24.000 Need oxygen to live.

00:21:25.000 So we are deeply, deeply woven into that fabric of intelligence that you're talking about to the point that we actually kind of grow out of that fabric of intelligence because we have a symbiotic relationship with plants just to exist on planet Earth.

00:21:43.000 So you're talking about what is called Have you heard of the Web of Indra?

00:21:50.000 No.

00:21:51.000 The Web of Indra.

00:21:52.000 It's also called the Net of Indra or the Web of Indra.

00:21:55.000 What is this from?

00:21:56.000 This is Hinduism. 0.95

00:21:58.000 So the idea is that a way to explain the sort of interconnectedness of all things is this like, imagine like a web or a net where at every single nexus point there is a jewel.

00:22:12.000 The jeweled net of Indra, that's what it's called.

00:22:18.000 Every creature on earth or in this universe that has any kind of sentience at all composes a tiny little jewel on this net.

00:22:29.000 And so this net is every jewel is connected via like whatever connects us to plants.

00:22:36.000 Everything is connected that's alive, which means that any slight Movement in any of these jewels creates a vibration that rolls through infinity, through the entire net of Indra, affecting all other sentient beings in some small way.

00:22:54.000 It's basically the idea is, there it is, the jeweled net of Indra.

00:22:58.000 So anything that you do, it gets sort of vibrated through the rest of the thing.

00:23:03.000 Anything that happens in the micro happens in the macro.

00:23:06.000 Macro happens in the micro.

00:23:08.000 It's a beautiful idea, man.

00:23:10.000 And it seems like this new discovery that's come out about plants has in some way really shone a light on the complexity of that Incredible net, you know, because it's so complex because then it gets down to probably the quantum level,

00:23:28.000 too.

00:23:28.000 I mean, if you think of the quantum reactions happening inside the plants to create these biochemical shifts, it's startling when you imagine all the weird chemical and atomic movement that's happening inside of the thing itself.

00:23:45.000 It's overwhelmingly beautiful and hard to imagine that we get to be a piece of it, which is pretty cool.

00:23:51.000 But the plants are sending email, you know, because we are the plants.

00:23:56.000 The plants are us.

00:23:57.000 The plants are affecting...

00:23:58.000 Remember McKenna always talked about exo pheromones?

00:24:01.000 Remember that?

00:24:02.000 Exo pheromones.

00:24:03.000 He'd say that plants have pheromones that they put out, like what you're saying, to discourage predation, bring in bees.

00:24:11.000 I like that I said predation, like I'm smart, but it's a great word. 1.00

00:24:16.000 So he would say that psychedelics, marijuana, DMT, these are exo pheromones from the vegetable world.

00:24:26.000 I can't do a McKenna impression.

00:24:28.000 But these are exopheromones coming into our biome and shifting our consciousness in a way to try to manipulate our behavior a little bit.

00:24:37.000 And also, you know, all the stuff coming out of the gut biome, too. 0.99

00:24:42.000 Like, not only is there this flourishing vegetable kingdom that is, like, clearly alive and has its own alien intelligence, but we've got fucking... 0.74

00:24:51.000 These gut biomes filled with these bacteria that could theoretically be controlling our cravings, right? 0.99

00:25:01.000 So we're being manipulated by these colonies of alien beings living in our guts, telling us, get another fucking candy bar, man. 0.99

00:25:11.000 Wouldn't that be good? 1.00

00:25:12.000 Isn't that cool?

00:25:13.000 It's so true. 0.84

00:25:14.000 Yeah.

00:25:15.000 It's so true. 0.84

00:25:16.000 There's this darkness inside you that wants that sugar.

00:25:19.000 It's a little demon, a little demon that feeds off sugar. 0.92

00:25:22.000 Well, it's a modern way of saying demonic possession. 1.00

00:25:27.000 In the old days, you'd be like, you got a demon, motherfucker. 1.00

00:25:30.000 Now it's like, well, your gut biome is craving carbohydrates to survive. 1.00

00:25:35.000 Look, if you've got the plague, how is that any different than you being attacked by vampires?

00:25:38.000 Right. 0.50

00:25:39.000 Something's trying to kill you.

00:25:40.000 Do we take comfort in the idea that it's some microscopic thing that we can't even see?

00:25:44.000 Yeah.

00:25:45.000 Does that make you feel better? 1.00

00:25:46.000 It looks a lot weirder than a fucking vampire, by the way. 1.00

00:25:49.000 A lot weirder. 1.00

00:25:50.000 It's not a well-dressed man with a cape and fangs.

00:25:54.000 You're looking at some kind of strange, globular, transforming bit of plasma that's swimming around inside of you, actively trying to destroy you.

00:26:07.000 He can't even see it.

00:26:08.000 He can't even see it.

00:26:09.000 We didn't even find them until, like, what?

00:26:11.000 When did they invent microscopes, if you had to guess?

00:26:14.000 1800s?

00:26:14.000 I couldn't guess that, and that's a sad thing, man.

00:26:16.000 I couldn't guess that.

00:26:17.000 I'm going to guess.

00:26:19.000 I think Brian Callen was talking about this in relationship to them discovering bacteria with surgery.

00:26:26.000 Oh, no, it was Chris.

00:26:27.000 I think it was Chris Ryan.

00:26:28.000 I think Chris Ryan might have been the first one.

00:26:30.000 I don't remember.

00:26:31.000 I'm giving people credit.

00:26:32.000 I'm not sure.

00:26:33.000 But the idea was that they didn't know what bacteria was for like a long time.

00:26:39.000 They didn't wash their hands and people died of horrible infections when they were able to do surgery on people.

00:26:45.000 It's like, oh, good luck.

00:26:46.000 The guy...

00:26:46.000 So this is...

00:26:47.000 I can't remember the guy's name.

00:26:48.000 You maybe can find it, Jamie.

00:26:50.000 It's the guy.

00:26:51.000 He was...

00:26:52.000 He realized, so doctors would apparently, they would like do autopsies on corpses to try to understand how the human body worked.

00:27:01.000 It used to be illegal.

00:27:02.000 It was like a big deal to cut open a corpse.

00:27:04.000 So doctors were studying corpses and apparently they didn't know you should wash your hands after you handle a corpse. 1.00

00:27:11.000 So you would like fuck around with a corpse and then go deliver a baby. 1.00

00:27:16.000 Oh my God. 1.00

00:27:17.000 Right?

00:27:17.000 And the babies, there was a very high infant mortality rate, so I can't remember his name, but a doctor discovered, oh, wow, mind-blowing idea.

00:27:25.000 You should wash your hands before you deliver a baby. 1.00

00:27:29.000 And there it is, yeah. 0.99

00:27:31.000 He ended up in a fucking mental asylum because they weren't listening to him, and apparently a doctor said, gentlemen do not need to wash their hands. 0.99

00:27:42.000 Oh my God. 0.99

00:27:43.000 Yeah.

00:27:43.000 A gentleman.

00:27:44.000 A gentleman does not wash his hands because they're just innately clean.

00:27:48.000 So yeah, man, people had no idea. 0.99

00:27:50.000 They thought that your cum was filled with tiny little men. 0.99

00:27:54.000 You know, like little humans were in there. 0.99

00:27:56.000 Really?

00:27:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:58.000 Why did they think that until?

00:27:59.000 Until the microscope, I imagine. 0.99

00:28:01.000 Until finally someone fucking came on a microscope. 0.99

00:28:07.000 How long after the invention of the microscope did someone shoot a load on one? 0.99

00:28:10.000 Three minutes!

00:28:15.000 Exactly however long it took to reach orgasm after building it.

00:28:20.000 Well, it's like we were talking about virtual reality.

00:28:22.000 We're like, how long before they made a porn?

00:28:24.000 I mean, when the moment they came up with Oculus, we knew.

00:28:29.000 It's a matter of time.

00:28:30.000 Yeah, matter of time.

00:28:31.000 And they did it.

00:28:32.000 And they did it. 0.99

00:28:38.000 And it is going to create some fucking hilarious earthquakes in a lot of different relationships and marriages because people are going to have to define whether or not Fucking a hologram is a form of infidelity. 0.98

00:28:59.000 Like you're gonna have to make a rule for that in your relationship. 1.00

00:29:02.000 Is it okay to fuck a hologram? 1.00

00:29:05.000 Not alive, not a person, but looks like it's fucking you. 1.00

00:29:09.000 Looking you right in the eyes. 1.00

00:29:10.000 Right in the fucking eyes. 1.00

00:29:17.000 Oh my god, dude. 1.00

00:29:19.000 Yeah, it's pretty weird because your brain, when a hologram is looking at you in the eyes in a loving way, your brain doesn't reject it.

00:29:27.000 It's like, oh wow, I think this girl really likes me.

00:29:29.000 Oh wait, it's a hologram.

00:29:31.000 But in one millisecond, you get this feeling of like...

00:29:34.000 Strange connection which is and again we're in the most rudimentary parts of VR only apparently only I just read this it might have been a dated article but only a hundred thousand people or so own an HTC Vive if that's drastically off you guys I'm sorry but not a lot of people have VR goggles right now so not a lot of people and there's a lot of us who are fucking Ear-beating people at parties who clearly just don't want to hear about it any more than you want to hear about someone

00:30:04.000 talking about a dream.

00:30:06.000 But there's a huge group of people right now that are having some of the most psychedelic, mind-bending experiences through technology, and they can't even talk about it or describe it to people, because when you describe it, it's like you're talking about a dream.

00:30:20.000 But you're like, no, this is happening to a lot of us right now.

00:30:24.000 We're going into alternate dimensions via technology and hanging out there, enjoying it, experiencing the freedom from the confines of being Constantly,

00:30:39.000 infinitely located in whatever physical space your body happens to be inhabiting.

00:30:45.000 To suddenly remove that weight, so now I can pop these things on and instantly translocate to some art universe that some geniuses created. 0.98

00:30:56.000 Fuck around, shoot arrows, wander through Minecraft. 1.00

00:31:00.000 Have sex with two girls who I was apparently going to throw out of my house if they didn't fuck me. 1.00

00:31:06.000 That's what the porn is I have. 1.00

00:31:11.000 Which, by the way, I'd never do that, but in this universe, I guess that's what I did.

00:31:16.000 Yeah. 0.74

00:31:16.000 So they're kind of rapey. 0.74

00:31:17.000 What?

00:31:18.000 It's not rapey.

00:31:19.000 It's just like, please, I don't have money for the rent. 1.00

00:31:21.000 Can I suck your dick? 1.00

00:31:22.000 Oh, so it's her idea. 1.00

00:31:24.000 Oh, yeah. 0.59

00:31:25.000 You're not raping her. 1.00

00:31:27.000 So it's not like, look, you got to give up some pussy, otherwise I'm kicking you to the street. 1.00

00:31:31.000 You could say it if you want into the porn. 1.00

00:31:33.000 I mean, you could say whatever you want. 0.65

00:31:34.000 Wait a minute.

00:31:35.000 You have a microphone?

00:31:36.000 You have a microphone, but you can talk to it if you want to be a weirdo.

00:31:39.000 Is there...

00:31:41.000 But okay, how long before you can talk to it?

00:31:43.000 How long before it talks back to you?

00:31:45.000 Well, that's...

00:31:46.000 You're looking at like...

00:31:48.000 So we've got to figure out a way to either...

00:31:51.000 I mean, I imagine that probably exists in some rudimentary way for some kind of CGI-style porn, but to be able to like...

00:32:00.000 Instantaneously communicate with live video porn.

00:32:02.000 You're gonna need some kind of AI that I don't think we probably have just yet, or we are probably on the...

00:32:07.000 But yes, that will happen.

00:32:09.000 It's coming.

00:32:09.000 Oh, that's definitely gonna happen.

00:32:11.000 I watched Ex Machina again on the plane the other day.

00:32:13.000 I watched it for the second time.

00:32:15.000 Yeah, that's cool.

00:32:16.000 It was just as good the second time.

00:32:17.000 That movie freaks me out, man.

00:32:20.000 Why?

00:32:20.000 Because the girl's so beautiful, and she's so attractive.

00:32:25.000 That guy, you could see, as much as he knew that she was a robot, as much as he knew that he wasn't a robot, as much as he knew that she was artificial, he was in love with her.

00:32:37.000 And she was amazing.

00:32:38.000 And it seemed like she cared about him.

00:32:40.000 And when she was talking to him for real, like when the lights went out and the camera was down, spoiler alert, and she was like, don't trust him.

00:32:46.000 I'm like, this is like a real person.

00:32:48.000 It's a real person.

00:32:49.000 She's thinking like a person.

00:32:50.000 It's a person.

00:32:51.000 And he's like completely locked into this idea that it's a person.

00:32:55.000 He's hypnotized.

00:32:55.000 It's a person.

00:32:57.000 I mean, this whole distinction between artificial intelligence and intelligence is the same as the distinction between virtual reality and reality.

00:33:06.000 It's just like another human attempt to be in control of something. 0.98

00:33:10.000 You want to say, oh, I'll tell you if this is fucking reality or not. 0.98

00:33:13.000 Oh, this is virtual reality. 0.98

00:33:15.000 This isn't reality reality, but it's like, oh, really?

00:33:18.000 So reality is compartmentalized into places where there's, if something is created by a human, oh, no, that's not real reality, even though humans are reality.

00:33:28.000 Reality is reality.

00:33:30.000 Intelligence is intelligence, because the intelligence is inhabiting something that isn't the human vessel.

00:33:36.000 It goes back to what we were talking about earlier.

00:33:38.000 What? 0.99

00:33:39.000 Because it's not in a fucking meat body. 1.00

00:33:41.000 Now it's artificially Why? 1.00

00:33:44.000 Intelligence is intelligence.

00:33:46.000 Yeah, and again, I think it goes back to what we were talking about earlier, that we try to define intelligence by our own measures, like the ability to write something down, the ability to move.

00:33:56.000 How about that?

00:33:56.000 We have that inexorably connected to intelligence.

00:33:59.000 You have to be able to move to show me your thinking and communicate it.

00:34:02.000 What this woman was saying, a scientist on this Radiolab podcast, is that she goes, I don't want to say She's like, it's hard to say if they're intelligent. 0.95

00:34:13.000 But what's going on is their network closely resembles a brain.

00:34:19.000 The way it looks and also the way it's operating.

00:34:23.000 It has neuron-like responses.

00:34:27.000 There's data being passed back and forth that we're just, not we, not you, not me for sure, We're not doing any research, but these people, we are someone, I'm saying we as in humans, they're just figuring this out really recently.

00:34:41.000 I think everything has a conscience, or a consciousness rather.

00:34:45.000 I think everything that you eat, and I think that Obviously, plants, for the most part, are way less violent than animals.

00:34:55.000 When you're taking in plants, it seems to make sense that it would be a more peaceful existence, the way you think about it.

00:35:06.000 You're just consuming plants.

00:35:08.000 Look at all the animals that only consume plants.

00:35:11.000 They're all really peaceful.

00:35:12.000 Yes.

00:35:13.000 But then the animals that consume animals and plants, they've got to get dirty. 0.69

00:35:18.000 Yes.

00:35:18.000 Those animals, the ones that only meat, those are the scary ones.

00:35:23.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:35:24.000 Yeah.

00:35:24.000 Well, it kind of makes sense.

00:35:26.000 100%.

00:35:27.000 You need different tools for taking down a...

00:35:30.000 Deer than you do for eating a piece of broccoli.

00:35:34.000 Well, it's just, I think people are trying to, like, move away from the system that requires the violence.

00:35:41.000 And, like, a part of that, the idea of that, is to eat plants.

00:35:45.000 Because, like, even if you're eating a life form...

00:35:49.000 You're less involved in violent activity.

00:35:53.000 Like, if you're eating meat, you're involved in violent activity, right?

00:35:56.000 In some way.

00:35:57.000 Even fish.

00:35:58.000 You're involved in some sort of violent activity.

00:36:00.000 Those fish have to be...

00:36:01.000 They don't just instantaneously die.

00:36:03.000 They gotta be yanked into another dimension, beat over the head with wooden clubs, thrown into ice chests where they'll flop and gasp for air until they finally go still.

00:36:13.000 I mean, that's what happens when you eat fish.

00:36:15.000 Man, you know, it is one thing that all this indicates is how there's so much compassion inside of human beings.

00:36:24.000 Because whether you eat meat or whether you eat a vegetarian diet, if you're thinking about this, it's really cool.

00:36:31.000 That's one of the cool things about us is that we have this sense of like, man...

00:36:36.000 This does seem to be a violent thing that I'm doing here.

00:36:39.000 I know this thing I'm eating has suffered to some degree that I would never want anyone I know to suffer, or myself.

00:36:49.000 So, there's compassion there, man, and we want to live in a world where we don't Hurt things.

00:36:58.000 And if you do want to live in a world where you hurt things, well, then you're probably in a lot of pain yourself, right? 0.89

00:37:05.000 Man, this is the fucking Bhagavad Gita, because the Bhagavad Gita starts with a warrior, Arjun, looking out on this... 0.97

00:37:18.000 This fucking massive army and saying to God, the charioteer, I see my friends here. 0.99

00:37:24.000 I see fathers and teachers and men that I respect. 1.00

00:37:29.000 By killing them, don't I... Destroy my own soul. 1.00

00:37:35.000 Wouldn't it be better to go off into the forest and live as a renunciate than to gain all the wealth in the world, but to have the blood of my teachers on my hands?

00:37:46.000 And this is the beginning of the Bhagavad Gita.

00:37:48.000 And you would think, because it's one of Gandhi's favorite books, That the response would be, you're right.

00:37:54.000 Let's not kill.

00:37:55.000 Let's not fight.

00:37:56.000 We're gonna go in the woods.

00:37:57.000 But the response, God says, you speak words of wisdom, but you do not understand.

00:38:03.000 That's the beginning of the Bhagavad Gita.

00:38:06.000 That's where it starts, is here's why you fight.

00:38:08.000 Here's why you have to kill sometimes.

00:38:10.000 Here's why there is action in the universe that will result in pain and suffering.

00:38:17.000 And this, uh...

00:38:19.000 To me, the best answer to all of this is when Krishna reveals his universal form, he becomes this monstrous thing, and Arjuna is describing what he's seeing,

00:38:35.000 and this is the Oppenheimer quote.

00:38:37.000 I am become death.

00:38:39.000 Destroyer of worlds. 0.82

00:38:41.000 And Arjuna is saying, I see in your teeth The limbs of all humans being chewed and eaten.

00:38:50.000 You're consuming everything.

00:38:52.000 You're eating everything, is basically what he's saying.

00:38:57.000 And then he says, can you please turn back into my friend? 0.92

00:39:00.000 Because it's so fucking intense to see that. 0.93

00:39:03.000 And so the response is, okay, let's stop killing everything. 0.97

00:39:09.000 But look, you're getting eaten by the universe no matter what you do.

00:39:15.000 You're being ground to dust by the force of time.

00:39:20.000 There is no escape from this.

00:39:22.000 You are in the digestive tract of a being that is gradually transforming you into nothingness, depending on what you want to believe, unless you think that there's some eternal perpetual soul, in which case the digestive system is freeing you from the terrible and limited enclosure of the human body.

00:39:42.000 Either way, man, we are being shifted in a dramatic and beautiful way, and as that's happening, To think that you can somehow not realize what you are, which is you are one of the digestive organs in the universe. 0.98

00:39:59.000 No matter what you do, man, you are completely wiping beings out of the universe at every single fucking second. 0.98

00:40:08.000 If your immune system's working, those sweeties who burrowed into your fucking skin and gotten into your mucous membranes, you're wiping them out. 1.00

00:40:16.000 Your blood cells are Heartlessly fucking killing them. 1.00

00:40:20.000 And then maybe you had an ant on your counter. 1.00

00:40:22.000 When you drove your car, I'd say there's a 60% to 90% chance you probably ran over some tiny little fucking bug that was walking across the street. 1.00

00:40:32.000 You can't live in this universe without Killing things. 1.00

00:40:37.000 And you, too, are being killed. 0.99

00:40:40.000 So you're like a little bit of stomach acid helping to dissolve a steak.

00:40:46.000 You're a little bit of the digestive process of the universe, killing and outputting energy from that destruction.

00:40:54.000 That's just what everything is, really.

00:40:56.000 Not to justify a meat diet.

00:40:58.000 If you could become a vegetarian, Do it.

00:41:01.000 Be a vegetarian if you're drawn to it.

00:41:04.000 It is a more peaceful thing.

00:41:05.000 Well, for sure, factory farming is a giant issue for anybody with a conscience.

00:41:11.000 Then when you get into other forms of acquiring meat, then things get more complicated.

00:41:17.000 Because if you're talking about hunting in particular, that's not easy for everybody to do.

00:41:21.000 It's almost impossible for everybody to do.

00:41:24.000 So then you'd have to have ethical farming and then you'd have to decide what is ethical?

00:41:28.000 How do you what is ethical?

00:41:30.000 I mean free range chickens.

00:41:31.000 Yeah free range cows free range chickens You know and you did have to decide that there's a certain cycle of life involved here And then you're willing to take part in it for your own health.

00:41:41.000 You're gonna decide I'd like this my body functions better on this So I'm going to I'm going to allow this to happen or or help it participate. 0.82

00:41:48.000 Yeah help participate in it but um I think when you see a bear eat a salmon, that bear is not thinking for a fucking second about the feelings of that salmon.

00:42:00.000 It's just holding it down and tearing it apart with no hesitation whatsoever.

00:42:04.000 When we reap lettuce from the ground, are we doing a more complicated version of that?

00:42:11.000 Are we pretending that this thing is this non-feeling, non-thinking thing because it doesn't move and it can't send emails?

00:42:19.000 But is it possible that all these things that we call life, all these things, have a consciousness?

00:42:25.000 Everything does. 1.00

00:42:26.000 Squirrels, people, monkeys, fucking alfalfa. 0.99

00:42:30.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:42:30.000 All that shit. 1.00

00:42:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:32.000 This is what I was thinking as I've been doing VR, having so many philosophical thoughts based on this incredible technology.

00:42:41.000 So this is what I started thinking is the human, all living things are like Organic virtual reality goggles, right?

00:42:50.000 So like a squirrel is like a kind of virtual reality goggle that the universe is gazing through in the form of a squirrel's reality, right?

00:43:01.000 So this consciousness, this intelligence, it's like an omnipresent force and every living thing is like a faucet that its life is this intelligence coming through and expressing itself based on the Energetic system of the particular conduit that it's coming through.

00:43:21.000 So a living squirrel is a portal that is opened up to the intelligence of the universe temporarily.

00:43:29.000 And when that intelligence flows through the squirrel, the way electricity runs through a motherboard, then it's animated, right?

00:43:38.000 And so when the squirrel dies, it's not as though the Intelligence is gone.

00:43:44.000 It's just that that particular conduit shuts while there's a billion other conduits in any biome filled with that intelligence pouring through it and behaving according to the way whatever the thing is that it's coming through.

00:44:00.000 If you have different AI programs with different codes, it's still processing the same energy.

00:44:07.000 It's just the energy is being transformed based on whatever the specific system is, you know?

00:44:14.000 So when we eat meat, We're in a weird way eating the virtual reality goggles that infinity was using to experience reality. 0.97

00:44:24.000 And that reality that infinity was experiencing through the VR goggles that you're eating inside your bun Was not a great fucking experience, you know?

00:44:37.000 So composed in that goggle, in that life form that you're eating, this is what the Hare Krishnas say, is all the fear, all the terror, all the momentum of that being's life somehow gets encoded into the atomic structure of the meat that you're consuming. 0.94

00:44:56.000 And so you take a little bit of that suffering into you and that Degrades your life in some slight way that totally makes sense Totally makes sense That there's something that gets through it.

00:45:10.000 I mean, why would we assume that your diet isn't...

00:45:13.000 I mean, if you're eating biological particles, why would we assume that they have no influence on us?

00:45:19.000 Like, we would think that we just...

00:45:21.000 No, I broke it down to protein and water, and that's it.

00:45:25.000 There's no chicken suffering in there at all.

00:45:27.000 We didn't have any chicken suffering.

00:45:28.000 No way!

00:45:29.000 Not a trace of it, but why not?

00:45:31.000 A dullness, just a dull chicken suffering that you get in your mouth.

00:45:35.000 Yeah, just a...

00:45:37.000 I don't know what it is.

00:45:38.000 It's just delicious chicken, but...

00:45:39.000 There's an undertone of existential horror in my chicken.

00:45:43.000 Like a waxy film on the inside of your mouth.

00:45:45.000 Yeah.

00:45:46.000 Just chicken sadness.

00:45:48.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:45:51.000 Man, I can remember, like, when I was a kid, we didn't fucking... 0.72

00:45:54.000 You know, like, you kind of knew the animals were like... 0.66

00:45:58.000 People just were a lot like I'm reading fucking listening to the audiobook rather of Moby Dick the Frank Mueller narration you ever read that book?

00:46:07.000 Who's Frank Mueller?

00:46:08.000 Frank Mueller is the guy is the VO actor who narrated the Dark Tower series by Stephen King and he is the best and so I there's no way I'm fucking reading Moby Dick but listening to someone who understands what he's reading helps you understand it and Yeah,

00:46:29.000 the inflections are in the right place, and he's clearly some kind of super genius who just gets Moby Dick, and he understands every single fucking passage that Melville endlessly writes about the very, the deepest details of whales, man.

00:46:44.000 Melville fucking loved whales, and the book, it is like a sort of portal into before they knew that whales were mammals, right? 0.98

00:46:53.000 So, you know, they thought they were fucking fish. 0.99

00:46:55.000 Leviathan, right? 0.99

00:46:57.000 Isn't that funny that we make that distinction?

00:46:58.000 Let's talk about that. 1.00

00:47:00.000 If they're fish, fuck them. 1.00

00:47:02.000 Oh, they're mammals. 1.00

00:47:03.000 They're us.

00:47:04.000 We can't do that.

00:47:05.000 We got weird teams.

00:47:07.000 We got teams we're on.

00:47:08.000 Okay, so I'll answer to that.

00:47:09.000 If, to use the virtual reality goggle example, let's imagine there's like...

00:47:15.000 15 different virtual reality goggles on the table that represent a kind of spectrum of technological advancement. 0.73

00:47:25.000 So here we've got a, I don't know, remember in the old days you used to have those stupid viewfinders you could flip through and look at? 0.96

00:47:33.000 Okay, so on one side we have a viewfinder, and on the other side we've got Some shit that doesn't even exist yet. 0.97

00:47:41.000 Some neural interface.

00:47:44.000 You put it on a harmonic magnetic field interacts with your brain and you not only go into a location, but you experience the memories, emotions, thoughts, and dreams of the avatar within the game.

00:47:56.000 You literally become the figure.

00:47:57.000 That's on the other side of the spectrum, right?

00:47:59.000 So here we have this sort of like spectrum of potential experience. 0.91

00:48:04.000 I think it would be safe to say that the experience of a broccoli, right, just based on the tech in there, versus the experience of like a, I don't know, a fucking MIT student, 0.81

00:48:20.000 genius, who's like, healthy. 0.84

00:48:23.000 I'd say that you could say that there's varying levels Of experience.

00:48:29.000 As to what is being experienced, who's to say?

00:48:31.000 Now that I say it, I think I'm totally wrong.

00:48:33.000 I'm sorry for the rant. 0.97

00:48:36.000 At the very end of it, some part of me is like, just shut up, man. 0.96

00:48:45.000 That's wrong. 0.97

00:48:45.000 That's not it. 0.97

00:48:47.000 So forgive me, you guys.

00:48:48.000 I try with that one.

00:48:51.000 It flopped in my own brain.

00:48:53.000 They don't all land.

00:48:54.000 They don't all land.

00:48:56.000 If they did, it wouldn't be fun.

00:48:57.000 It wouldn't be fun.

00:48:58.000 But I will admit, when they don't land, and that definitely...

00:49:01.000 I think you're right, man.

00:49:02.000 Why do we make the distinction? 0.99

00:49:03.000 It's like, God damn it. 0.98

00:49:04.000 It's a weird distinction. 0.99

00:49:05.000 I mean, it's an intelligence distinction. 1.00

00:49:06.000 We just decide that fish are stupid as fuck. 1.00

00:49:09.000 But you know what? 1.00

00:49:09.000 They're not. 1.00

00:49:10.000 Here's where they're not.

00:49:11.000 Here's one thing we eat all the time that is probably as smart as a monkey, and that's an octopus.

00:49:17.000 Oh, I know.

00:49:17.000 Yeah.

00:49:18.000 We eat octopus all the time.

00:49:19.000 They are crazy smart.

00:49:21.000 Have you ever seen the new video that they put out of an octopus going through a key, a hole rather, that's the size of a quarter?

00:49:27.000 Yeah, man.

00:49:28.000 Yeah.

00:49:29.000 I did see that.

00:49:30.000 It's crazy.

00:49:31.000 It's amazing.

00:49:33.000 What they can do to their bodies is insane.

00:49:35.000 Yeah.

00:49:36.000 McKenna loved them, right?

00:49:37.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:37.000 He was in love with...

00:49:40.000 Octopi.

00:49:40.000 Is that the plural?

00:49:41.000 Octopi?

00:49:42.000 That's a good question.

00:49:43.000 He was in love with it.

00:49:44.000 I think it is.

00:49:45.000 He thought that they were like the ability to have multiple appendages and the crazy camouflage abilities they have would combine to really...

00:49:57.000 Open up new levels of communication that humans don't have.

00:50:00.000 Because it seems like he was a little frustrated by the limitation of the human vocabulary and the way we emote things to articulate the universe.

00:50:11.000 So it'd be nice to have a bunch of different limbs that had no bones that you can turn any which way while shifting colors. 0.97

00:50:19.000 That beats fucking emoticons by a long shot, man. 0.98

00:50:23.000 I mean, they can change color, and they shoot ink into the air. 0.99

00:50:27.000 And he was one that I first heard speculate that the ink, when they shoot ink into the air, that it might be like erasure fluid.

00:50:33.000 Like, look how small that hole is, and look at this big-ass octopus get through this tiny hole. 0.95

00:50:39.000 I mean, you would look at that hole, and you would be like, there's no way.

00:50:43.000 But these things, not only can they get out of a hole like that, but they can walk on land for long periods of time, climb back up into their fish tanks, lift the lid, get inside, I mean, they're aliens, man.

00:50:56.000 I mean, that might as well be on another planet.

00:50:58.000 We're just used to it because it's on Earth.

00:51:00.000 That thing has a giant, bulbous head, long, movable arms.

00:51:04.000 It knows how to unscrew jars.

00:51:06.000 And he's got a kind of cool, relaxed look on his face.

00:51:09.000 Yeah.

00:51:10.000 He's definitely relaxed.

00:51:13.000 They're emotionless.

00:51:14.000 They're very strange.

00:51:16.000 It's a very strange being.

00:51:18.000 It's very different than a fish. 1.00

00:51:20.000 But it lives with fish, so fuck it. 1.00

00:51:24.000 I mean, they're probably as smart as whales. 1.00

00:51:26.000 Everything is alive.

00:51:29.000 That's the ultimate thing.

00:51:31.000 That's the final place you got to get to is that you are a part of a super organism that is stretching through time in the form of every generation of thing that ever lived.

00:51:45.000 And it's currently It's like this being that has an infinite number of appendages that represent all living forms of life on Earth.

00:51:56.000 And just like the same way that you investigate a thing, all these appendages have wrapped around the planet and they're probing, probing, probing, probing, probing the planet.

00:52:08.000 So it's like every living thing is the very end of an interdimensional, super intelligent appendage.

00:52:18.000 Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where he said that mice are just the ends of the tentacles of an interdimensional creature studying scientists that laboratory mice... 0.99

00:52:32.000 He was a fucking genius. 0.75

00:52:34.000 But in the same way, when you look at every single living being on Earth is actually protruding from generation after generation of being that stretches back to the beginning of organic life on planet Earth. 0.99

00:52:49.000 So it's like Earth suddenly gets life.

00:52:51.000 How? 0.99

00:52:52.000 Who the fuck knows? 0.99

00:52:53.000 My theory? 1.00

00:52:54.000 Aliens.

00:52:55.000 Who knows?

00:52:56.000 Maybe it just randomly happened.

00:52:58.000 Who knows?

00:52:58.000 But so suddenly springing from the earth are these very rudimentary organisms that over the course of millennia gradually stretched out and changed to become various types of devices to study the crevices,

00:53:14.000 crannies and air of this planet until eventually it became monkeys and the monkeys became people and now we're like a very advanced scope That is peering into the atomic and subatomic level of the fucking thing.

00:53:28.000 But when you look at a squirrel's life, an eagle's life, a fucking salmon being eaten by a bear's life, it's interesting to consider that what you're seeing is an Infinite number of scopes through which something that appears to be either investigating this dimension or just enjoying being in it is coming through.

00:53:51.000 You know, that seems to be what's happening.

00:53:53.000 That is an idea that gets echoed in some Eastern philosophies.

00:54:02.000 It's an interesting take on it, for sure.

00:54:05.000 What's definitely happening is there's some consumption going on.

00:54:08.000 Everything's consuming something.

00:54:10.000 That's one of the things about this Radiolab podcast that was so fascinating, where it was talking about these fungi-devouring microscopic insects.

00:54:18.000 And also, like, literally tapping into rocks for minerals.

00:54:23.000 It's really, really intense stuff.

00:54:26.000 And having this intense relationship with these plants where they're feeding off the root systems.

00:54:32.000 Yeah.

00:54:32.000 And the root systems are feeding them and they're feeding the root systems.

00:54:35.000 They're exchanging sugar and minerals.

00:54:38.000 Yeah.

00:54:39.000 It's really crazy, dude.

00:54:40.000 I mean, it's really, really bizarre.

00:54:42.000 Yeah.

00:54:42.000 They were talking about miles and miles of these microscopic fungi in the soil.

00:54:48.000 In the tiny piece of soil, you have miles and miles of microscopic fungi.

00:54:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:52.000 The mycelium, right?

00:54:53.000 Yeah.

00:54:54.000 Okay, so everything's eating itself, but if you imagine that what you're looking at is actually only one-half of Of the thing, because we can't see into the nothingness that happens after death, then it could be that you're actually looking at just one part of a process,

00:55:14.000 right?

00:55:14.000 You're seeing a limited part of an infinite process that's happening, where death is just one piece of it, but the thing that dies isn't annihilated.

00:55:31.000 No, go ahead.

00:55:32.000 So the idea is it's like, okay, what you are is a thing growing out of time, right?

00:55:39.000 You're growing from that which is not into that which is, or that which is not known to that which is known.

00:55:47.000 Because where were you before you died?

00:55:50.000 Who knows?

00:55:50.000 Unknown.

00:55:51.000 Before you were born.

00:55:52.000 Before you were born.

00:55:52.000 Oh, right.

00:55:53.000 Same thing, according to some religions.

00:55:55.000 But, uh, so when you look at that as part of a continuum, right?

00:55:59.000 Instead of just like you are born and then you die and then nothingness, if you look at it as part of an energetic continuum, Of which we can only witness this particular part of the continuum.

00:56:10.000 We don't have the technology yet to peer into the other part of the continuum.

00:56:15.000 So if you look at it as an actual cycle, then the brutality of the universe becomes a little less significant because you realize like, oh no, it's just like...

00:56:26.000 Things diving out of the nothingness into the somethingness, returning to the nothingness, in the same way a dolphin jumps up and goes back down into the sea.

00:56:36.000 That's what we're doing.

00:56:37.000 Only when we dive into time, we take on a form.

00:56:40.000 When we dive out of time, we become the formless, and then we come back out of time again.

00:56:45.000 That's reincarnation. 0.99

00:56:47.000 Reincarnation is Sorry if I've said it on this podcast before, but reincarnation is like a fucking dolphin trick. 0.94

00:56:54.000 Only in this case, the trick that you're doing is called your incarnation. 0.98

00:56:58.000 And the particular way that you live, whether it's, as it is for most people, a kind of failure, because how the fuck are you going to figure out what to do when you dive into time for such a temporary Fleeting lifetime, like just suddenly to be able to do backflips and shit.

00:57:14.000 Maybe you're not going to be able to do that right away, but you dive out of time or out of nothingness, come into somethingness, incarnate, incarnate, incarnate. 0.78

00:57:22.000 Here we are as a being, have a life, and then you go back into the nothingness again.

00:57:26.000 And so the people that we are most amazed by in history are just people who did really awesome tricks with their temporary human incarnation as they came jumping out of the nothingness.

00:57:38.000 That's what we're in right now, man.

00:57:40.000 Just a temporary, transitory state of harmonized atoms that have become aware of themselves, that are about to go through an incredible energetic shift where you become nothing.

00:57:55.000 And then, maybe, become something again for infinity.

00:58:01.000 We have a real hard time having the perspective of your body turning into bacteria or bacteria consuming your body when you die, of that not being a bad thing.

00:58:12.000 That it's a part of life and that you will be conscious inside that bacteria.

00:58:16.000 That maybe your consciousness leaves this. 0.67

00:58:20.000 Travels with you with your cells and your DNA as you're being consumed Yeah, and it becomes a part of some gigantic matrix and that's what maybe that's what you're tapping into when you're doing things like DMT Yeah, when you hit that well of consciousness Whatever the fuck that is that you hit when you you run into that sea of reality Yeah, 0.97

00:58:40.000 when I say reality like this But just intense, God-like, no bullshit. 0.90

00:58:47.000 Like, it knows everything. 0.86

00:58:49.000 There's no bullshit. 0.76

00:58:50.000 And you have to abandon all your worldly thoughts. 0.99

00:58:54.000 Abandon all your ideas of life and death and ego.

00:58:57.000 Yeah.

00:58:57.000 And just give in and be one with the whole thing.

00:59:01.000 And maybe that's what we do all the time when we're sleeping, man.

00:59:04.000 I mean, it's entirely possible that what we don't remember is existing in that realm.

00:59:09.000 And that that realm is something that we're just shut off from. 0.99

00:59:12.000 Because for us to get done what we have to get done with this monkey body, you can't be fucking contemplating that all the time because you're not going to get shit done. 0.98

00:59:18.000 You're going to be too philosophical. 0.99

00:59:22.000 You're going to be too confused.

00:59:24.000 You're going to be so blown away by the images of that other world that you can't handle it.

00:59:30.000 The reality of life just completely takes over.

00:59:34.000 Dude, you didn't...

00:59:36.000 I mean, I don't think you meant to do it.

00:59:39.000 But you articulated, when you said that, the essence of so many different religious systems, which is that here is this omnipresent, infinite, ever replenishing, creative matrix of intelligence that is So much bigger than I am that it's incomprehensible.

01:00:01.000 And like you said, you have to let go of all your worldly ideas, your thoughts, your ego.

01:00:07.000 You have to let your ego die. 0.99

01:00:09.000 Because what the fuck are you gonna do in the face of that thing? 0.99

01:00:13.000 Are you gonna hold on to the stuff you're proud of? 0.99

01:00:16.000 Are you gonna hold on to the...

01:00:17.000 The victories that you've achieved in your minute, flickering human incarnation when you're in the presence of the source of victory in the universe?

01:00:27.000 What are you going to do there?

01:00:28.000 What's the correct reaction to have if a thing like that were real?

01:00:34.000 And so, depending on what religious system you subscribe to, all of those are answers to that question, you know?

01:00:42.000 And you hear the answer coming up In a similar way, usually, which is you serve it. 0.99

01:00:48.000 You try to become a servant to it, because what else are you going to fucking do? 0.98

01:00:53.000 Are you going to teach it? 0.99

01:00:56.000 Are you going to show it how to do something?

01:00:58.000 Are you going to...

01:01:01.000 What are you going to show it out to you, man?

01:01:03.000 You're like, hey, guys, relax.

01:01:03.000 I'm here.

01:01:05.000 I know you've been waiting for a long time, Infinity, but finally I'm amongst you with my wisdom of my 47 years on planet Earth as a tire salesman who finally does DMT for the first time.

01:01:21.000 Everybody sit down.

01:01:22.000 I got it.

01:01:23.000 You come back.

01:01:24.000 Yeah.

01:01:25.000 Let's start with roses. 0.98

01:01:27.000 I like the color of them, but maybe we make it a brighter red.

01:01:30.000 What do you think?

01:01:31.000 How about make it so deer don't want to eat them? 1.00

01:01:34.000 My mom, she has a fucking garden. 1.00

01:01:36.000 She's always mad the deer was eating them roses. 0.99

01:01:40.000 Yeah, this is why I really love this Bhakti Yoga, because it takes that idea.

01:01:51.000 There is A super intelligent creative force in the universe and the word for it is Bhagavan and it basically means maximum everything.

01:02:01.000 So ultimate beauty, ultimate intelligence, ultimate attractiveness, ultimate Ultimate love.

01:02:11.000 It's the ultimate of ultimates, right?

01:02:13.000 So this thing has inadvertently, it depends on what version of it, probably not inadvertently, but this thing has a...

01:02:24.000 It's so potent that the way it's interacting with time is that it's breaking into an infinite number of pieces that have all become semi or super aware.

01:02:36.000 So its consciousness has dispersed itself Through its creation and every single minute element, like some fractal, every single little piece of it is a possessor of this infinite consciousness.

01:02:50.000 And so that infinite consciousness is the source of love and it basically lets you fall in love with it if you want to and it loves you too, which is what's really trippy to imagine.

01:03:05.000 This is a thought experiment, man. 1.00

01:03:08.000 Imagine that thing you just described, that infinite fucking thing, the no bullshit thing that demands that you drop your history like a fucking old nasty bag of shit. 1.00

01:03:20.000 Imagine if that thing also was aware of you completely and also Loved you! 1.00

01:03:28.000 Imagine that shit, man. 1.00

01:03:31.000 That's the craziest idea ever. 1.00

01:03:34.000 That's a crazy fucking idea. 0.99

01:03:36.000 That's better than, you know, like when you kind of like a girl and you start thinking like, maybe you don't do this because you're a fucking muscular super billionaire who hosts the UFC, but somebody like me, if a girl starts liking you, you start thinking like, holy shit, 0.99

01:03:52.000 does this girl... 1.00

01:03:55.000 I think this girl likes me.

01:03:56.000 I think this beautiful, incredibly beautiful girl likes me.

01:04:00.000 Could this be?

01:04:01.000 That's the beginning of all love songs, right? 0.93

01:04:03.000 That's the beginning of all human happiness is, holy shit, the girl I like likes me back? 0.99

01:04:09.000 I think she likes me Holy shit, I think she's falling in love with me, this incredibly beautiful girl. 0.99

01:04:15.000 So Bhakti Yoga is that exact concept transferred to the universe. 0.99

01:04:20.000 So now you're like, wait a minute.

01:04:23.000 This entire, the source of all things in the universe has a personality and it seems to love me? 0.98

01:04:32.000 Not in a fucking tame way. 0.90

01:04:35.000 Not in like... 0.99

01:04:36.000 The way that you might hear, like, Jesus loves you.

01:04:39.000 And then you imagine it being, like, that means you could go over to his house and sit down and have, like, a boring cup of tea and leave.

01:04:45.000 You know?

01:04:46.000 Like, that kind of love.

01:04:48.000 No. 0.99

01:04:49.000 This is a fucking wild, savage, unpredictable love the way your best friend loves you. 1.00

01:04:57.000 Or the way that, like, a comedian loves you. 1.00

01:05:00.000 Which is, like, you don't know what the fuck's gonna happen. 0.93

01:05:02.000 It's not... 0.94

01:05:03.000 The way a comedian loves you? 0.99

01:05:04.000 Yeah, you know, like comedians are gonna do weird shit. 0.99

01:05:07.000 If you're friends with comedians, you're gonna get a lot of like weird fucking pictures sent to you, you know, on a regular basis. 0.98

01:05:14.000 You're gonna get people calling you and playing tricks on you from time to time for no other reason than just to do it, right? 0.97

01:05:21.000 But they love you. 0.97

01:05:22.000 They fucking love you. 0.99

01:05:23.000 That's what's behind it. 0.99

01:05:24.000 So, in the same way, this is the concept.

01:05:27.000 It's not a tame kind of love.

01:05:30.000 It'll kill you. 0.99

01:05:31.000 Like, it'll eat you. 1.00

01:05:33.000 But it still loves you. 1.00

01:05:34.000 And it'll eat you because it knows that you're just a fucking pair of virtual reality goggles. 1.00

01:05:39.000 You're just a temporary flickering thing that's gonna keep going on forever. 0.99

01:05:43.000 This ego and the survival mechanism is what makes us think that it's more important to root for our team.

01:05:52.000 Like, we have teams, right?

01:05:53.000 So, first of all, we're team primate.

01:05:55.000 Don't eat any primates.

01:05:56.000 Once you get past team primate, we're team mammal. 0.92

01:05:59.000 So if you have a choice between killing a gigantic fish or killing a gigantic mammal that you thought was a fish, you gotta kill the fish. 1.00

01:06:06.000 So you can kill fucking blue marlins all day long. 1.00

01:06:08.000 Bring those bitches in, chop them up into steaks, but don't make oil for lamps out of Moby Dick. 1.00

01:06:14.000 That's fucked up. 1.00

01:06:15.000 Don't make fucking oil out of those sweeties, man. 1.00

01:06:18.000 You're the bad guy. 1.00

01:06:18.000 And I agree. 1.00

01:06:20.000 You know, for whatever reason, especially with whales, I have a thing for whales.

01:06:25.000 I have a thing for whales and orcas and dolphins.

01:06:28.000 I'm fascinated by them, like legitimately perplexed.

01:06:32.000 I think that it's entirely possible by both With both dolphins and orcas, that they're just as smart as us.

01:06:39.000 They just don't express it the same way.

01:06:41.000 They have a different kind of existence.

01:06:44.000 They don't want to dominate other than controlling food.

01:06:49.000 They just want to have food.

01:06:50.000 And once they have food, I just think when you listen to scientists talk about their dialects, And the fact that the pod stays together for life, and that they form these tight bonds, and they communicate over great distances with sound frequencies,

01:07:05.000 and these complex languages that they've recognized are different in different areas.

01:07:09.000 So they've recognized they're similar sounds, but there's a dialect to it. 0.99

01:07:12.000 They still don't know what the fuck they're saying. 0.79

01:07:15.000 And part of the reason why we don't know what they're saying is just like how we were talking about emojis being like a form of hieroglyphs. 0.99

01:07:22.000 I don't think we can understand the context of communication when you live in the fucking ocean and you kill fish with your face all day. 0.95

01:07:29.000 I think what we would think of is, where is your house? 0.99

01:07:32.000 Do you guys have cable?

01:07:34.000 How do you guys find out about when the movie Movies are playing.

01:07:38.000 This idea of communication to us, what they're trying to do is locate each other, let each other know their moods, let each other know their horns, let each other know.

01:07:47.000 But we think that that's rudimentary in comparison to our complex system of sounds and very repeatable sounds that we can all express back and forth to each other.

01:07:58.000 But just like emojis, what they're doing, they're...

01:08:04.000 They're expressing themselves in a way that they all understand.

01:08:07.000 Yeah.

01:08:08.000 Yeah, man.

01:08:09.000 And don't forget, they have an awareness of part of the larger part of the earth. 0.99

01:08:14.000 We don't know what the fuck is down there. 0.99

01:08:16.000 That's one of the Moby Dick, right after they, spoiler, they kill a fucking white old Moby Dick, but right after that, in the description. 0.99

01:08:26.000 The description of the way they kill this fucking thing, the way they did it back then, which is, you know, you get in a ship, you row up to the thing, there's a harpooner, he's got a fucking harpoon, and he's got to zing it at the thing, and then you've got to tire it out, reel it in. 0.99

01:08:40.000 This is a fucking whale, right? 0.99

01:08:42.000 This is a Leviathan, right? 1.00

01:08:44.000 You're just a little fucking human in a fucking boat, and you're like nailing this thing with a harpoon. 1.00

01:08:50.000 Finally, when it gets tired enough, you have to find its heart. 1.00

01:08:54.000 Jam the harpoon into its heart and then basically like fuck the hole with a harpoon just jab it in and out of that fucking hole until finally this is description makes you want to cry it's so awful finally like the whale out of its blowhole it like shrieks like a like car brakes or something like it's screaming in pain and then it just blows chunks of guts and lung and heart out Oh 0.99

01:09:30.000 my god. 0.99

01:09:38.000 And Melville describes killing sharks.

01:09:42.000 He's like, you watch the harpooner stab the shark.

01:09:46.000 The shark will start eating its own entrails.

01:09:49.000 Because it'll just start eating itself and then just like tying itself up into a knot as it eats itself in a frenzy.

01:09:56.000 That's how Melville describes it.

01:09:58.000 Oh my god.

01:10:00.000 But after they kill a whale, Ahab, Captain Ahab, poor sad Captain Ahab, he comes out and he does a funeral for the whale's head and he says, what have you seen down there?

01:10:15.000 What have you seen?

01:10:16.000 The graves of millions of sailors, the wrecked ships that no one will ever know are there.

01:10:24.000 That's what a whale sees.

01:10:26.000 So they just have this awareness that we don't. 0.99

01:10:29.000 Like, we'll never know what the fuck's down there. 0.99

01:10:31.000 We hardly can. 0.51

01:10:33.000 Yeah, we don't know what, like, I mean, the Earth is three-quarters water, right?

01:10:37.000 Yeah.

01:10:38.000 So, what's below?

01:10:40.000 Two-thirds.

01:10:40.000 Yeah.

01:10:41.000 What's below the water?

01:10:42.000 Is it two-thirds or three-quarters?

01:10:43.000 I don't know.

01:10:44.000 Is it three-quarters?

01:10:45.000 I haven't measured lately.

01:10:46.000 Whatever it is.

01:10:46.000 It's a lot, right?

01:10:47.000 It's a giant chunk of the Earth.

01:10:48.000 Yes.

01:10:49.000 It's all water.

01:10:49.000 It's white and blue.

01:10:50.000 Yeah.

01:10:51.000 The underneath stuff we so rarely see.

01:10:54.000 I mean, do we see it 1% of what we see above ground?

01:11:00.000 God, I hate to always talk about it, but a brief history of nearly everything.

01:11:03.000 He describes it as like, and this could be wrong, I don't know, but what we know about the ocean.

01:11:08.000 Imagine if someone took like six tractors and dropped them in the middle of like middle America and they drove around for a few nights with their lights on at night. 0.66

01:11:22.000 Some description like that, I can't remember, but it's that limited, because getting a fucking thing underneath all that pressure that's not going to break down, getting out there in the first place to get the thing down that can survive that pressure, forget it. 0.91

01:11:36.000 Plus, that takes a special kind of crazy person that's willing to get in a submarine... 0.98

01:11:41.000 Oh, God.

01:11:42.000 Oh, Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:11:43.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

01:11:44.000 I think I'd rather go to space. 1.00

01:11:46.000 I think I'd rather go to space than be stuck at the bottom of the fucking ocean and then see a drop of water on the side of the wall going, what is that? 0.98

01:11:54.000 What is that? 0.99

01:11:55.000 What's going on? 1.00

01:11:56.000 No shit, man. 1.00

01:11:56.000 What is that noise? 1.00

01:11:57.000 Did you hear that noise? 0.99

01:11:58.000 You hear clink, clink, and you know it's just like a fucking beer can on one of those. 0.99

01:12:03.000 You ever see a stripper crush a beer can with her tit? 1.00

01:12:05.000 No! 0.99

01:12:05.000 They hold a beer can up, and they have one of them Whopper tits, like those double F jammies, and they hold it by the base, because those tits are always like, you know, they're sort of like a ball on the end of an old rope. 0.99

01:12:17.000 Right. 0.99

01:12:17.000 You know, because you have the big, round, ridiculous-sized implants, and they hold the beer can, and they just molly-whop that beer can and crush it. 0.99

01:12:26.000 That's how I would feel if I heard a clink, clink, clink, that I knew that eventually the thousands of pounds of pressure was just going to smush that That tank.

01:12:37.000 I just... 1.00

01:12:38.000 That's a fucked up way to die, man. 1.00

01:12:40.000 Here they go. 1.00

01:12:40.000 Look, look, look. 1.00

01:12:41.000 Look behind you.

01:12:41.000 Boom.

01:12:43.000 Oh, wow.

01:12:44.000 I didn't know this.

01:12:44.000 Look at this.

01:12:45.000 Boom.

01:12:46.000 Boom. 1.00

01:12:48.000 This bitch is crushing them with her tits. 1.00

01:12:50.000 That has to hurt. 1.00

01:12:51.000 Look at Steve Harvey.

01:12:53.000 Boom.

01:12:53.000 Bam.

01:12:54.000 There you go.

01:12:55.000 Wow.

01:12:56.000 Now you know.

01:12:57.000 It's a thing.

01:12:57.000 Now I know.

01:12:58.000 So that's what I think of when I think about submarines.

01:13:01.000 You think when she did that...

01:13:08.000 Ah, man.

01:13:09.000 You think she did that? 0.99

01:13:10.000 The first time she did that she was angry?

01:13:13.000 No, she was on meth the first time, for sure.

01:13:16.000 Is that what she said?

01:13:17.000 No, that's what I would guess.

01:13:18.000 I think a lot of girls have done that. 1.00

01:13:20.000 That's a trick. 0.99

01:13:20.000 That's like the, when you nut, but she keeps sucking. 0.99

01:13:23.000 That's that and mixed boobs crushing beer cans. 1.00

01:13:26.000 So you think the first girl to crush a beer can with her boob was on meth? 1.00

01:13:31.000 No, she was probably a real girl, first of all. 0.99

01:13:34.000 Like, she had real boobs, I mean. 1.00

01:13:35.000 Yeah. 0.63

01:13:35.000 Not just a real girl. 0.63

01:13:36.000 Yeah.

01:13:36.000 You're all real girls, by the way.

01:13:38.000 And everybody's a real girl. 0.79

01:13:39.000 Yeah.

01:13:39.000 If you want to be a real girl, you're a real girl.

01:13:41.000 Right.

01:13:42.000 Right. 1.00

01:13:42.000 But, like, how many guys have broken beer cans with their dick? 1.00

01:13:45.000 How about zero? 1.00

01:13:47.000 Tits are way more powerful than dick in that regard. 1.00

01:13:50.000 What guy's ever, like, held a beer can down and smashed it with his hog? 1.00

01:13:55.000 That guy's a greater man than anybody in this room. 1.00

01:13:59.000 Plus, especially if he does it right side up and he gets the lip of the beer can, the thin part, slams against his dick with the kind of force that's required to bend a beer can, you're gonna crush your dick. 1.00

01:14:12.000 You're gonna hurt your dick. 1.00

01:14:13.000 I gotta disagree with you, man. 1.00

01:14:14.000 I think he becomes... 1.00

01:14:16.000 I think he becomes the hero if he's tied up and he's got to use his dick in the beer can as a form of escape device. 0.99

01:14:26.000 At that point, it becomes more heroic than just... 0.99

01:14:31.000 But you're right. 0.99

01:14:31.000 I mean, no matter what, if you smash a beer can with your cock, then you join some invisible, more elite than the Illuminati. 0.99

01:14:40.000 I bet it's smaller than the seven families that control everything. 0.97

01:14:43.000 Do you think there's like a 14-inch club?

01:14:46.000 Where's all dudes who have 14-inch hogs just hanging out? 1.00

01:14:51.000 There's got to be more than one dude on the planet that has more than a foot long dick, right? 1.00

01:14:56.000 If there's girls that have tits like that and obviously those are fake, but people are weird, right? 1.00

01:15:00.000 People are built strange. 0.99

01:15:01.000 There's guys that are seven feet tall.

01:15:02.000 There's people that are five foot one. 1.00

01:15:04.000 There's a whole bunch of people in between and someone out there is a 14-inch dick. 1.00

01:15:08.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.99

01:15:10.000 Like how many of them?

01:15:11.000 Well, I mean based on my own experience Three. 1.00

01:15:17.000 And they're all assholes. 1.00

01:15:19.000 Well, there was that one guy who kept getting caught at the TSA because his hog is gigantic. 1.00

01:15:26.000 I keep saying hog because it's fun. 1.00

01:15:29.000 Why is he calling it a hog?

01:15:30.000 What are you, 12?

01:15:31.000 Yes. 1.00

01:15:33.000 He's got like a fucking sock, like a rolled up sock. 1.00

01:15:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:37.000 That's what his hog is. 1.00

01:15:38.000 We know the story of John Malkovich, right?

01:15:42.000 Being John Malkovich?

01:15:43.000 John Malkovich the actor, right?

01:15:45.000 Right.

01:15:46.000 So that supposedly they had to get him a body double in a nude scene in a movie. 1.00

01:15:50.000 Because his cock is so gigantic that they thought nobody would believe that was a human's dick. 0.99

01:15:56.000 So they had to get a body double with a smaller cock to have him stand in because his penis is so large that it would disrupt the flow of the narrative. 1.00

01:16:08.000 Did the guy who's telling you this suck your dick? 1.00

01:16:10.000 He said it while he was sucking my dick. 1.00

01:16:16.000 You can't believe how big his dick is. 1.00

01:16:19.000 His dick is so big. 1.00

01:16:21.000 Look it up. 1.00

01:16:22.000 I think it is.

01:16:23.000 Look it up.

01:16:24.000 That is the funniest thing to look up.

01:16:25.000 As if that's confirmed somewhere.

01:16:27.000 I think it's confirmed.

01:16:28.000 I have a feeling that's what's called a rumor.

01:16:31.000 I have a feeling John Malkovich has a great publicist.

01:16:33.000 Yeah.

01:16:34.000 He's like, let's leak this story.

01:16:36.000 Yeah, it's a good move. 0.87

01:16:37.000 Well, I could imagine he would have a giant hog.

01:16:39.000 James Woods supposedly has a giant hog.

01:16:42.000 That's the word.

01:16:43.000 Really?

01:16:43.000 He's talked about it.

01:16:44.000 He's talked about it pretty openly.

01:16:45.000 Trump?

01:16:46.000 Trump has a giant one?

01:16:47.000 Didn't he say he did?

01:16:47.000 He says it's fine.

01:16:48.000 He says it's fine.

01:16:49.000 Oh.

01:16:50.000 In comparison to his hands. 1.00

01:16:51.000 But it's the fact that the guy's running for president and he was joking around about his dick not being tiny. 0.99

01:16:56.000 That is hilarious. 0.99

01:16:58.000 I don't... 0.90

01:16:59.000 I don't know if he's going to make the best leader of the free world, but I welcome someone who's willing to make a dick joke while they're running for president. 0.93

01:17:07.000 I welcome that. 0.74

01:17:08.000 Well, it's going to be really interesting. 0.99

01:17:17.000 I was thinking we were going to talk about the fucking elections anyway, man. 0.99

01:17:21.000 You know what's causing all the trouble right now? 0.99

01:17:23.000 What?

01:17:24.000 This is all technological disruption.

01:17:28.000 Like, we're looking at, this is all a result of technology.

01:17:32.000 I was thinking, like, what's the...

01:17:34.000 Okay, if you could, like, locate the problem, right?

01:17:39.000 It's that... 0.99

01:17:42.000 I don't mean to jump from a goddamn fantastic conversation about enormous cocks to some kind of political shit. 0.99

01:17:49.000 Don't ever worry about where our conversations go, lover. 0.99

01:17:52.000 So thank you.

01:17:53.000 So what you're looking at here, man, is a quote from Ray Kurzweil, which is, things aren't getting worse, our information's getting better, right?

01:18:06.000 And so with Hillary Clinton, Who is a career politician, right? 0.99

01:18:15.000 And we've all known, since we were young, most people, I think, when they think about politicians, they don't think, those are some honest people, those politicians.

01:18:23.000 They usually are telling the truth.

01:18:25.000 I think most of us think politicians, they lie, they warp things, they fabricate things, they use a form of deception to gain control of various power structures.

01:18:37.000 That's what the animal does.

01:18:38.000 So that's not new information when you find out that Hillary Clinton And the DNC, and I don't know if they completely connected those two, but when you find out that they didn't do what they were supposed to do. 0.83

01:18:53.000 They helped Hillary Clinton become the Democratic nominee and they actively tried to fuck up Bernie Sanders, right? 0.66

01:19:00.000 That's creepy. 0.98

01:19:01.000 But it's not a new thing.

01:19:03.000 I know, but it is creepy.

01:19:04.000 It's creepy.

01:19:05.000 And it's even more creepy that the woman who was in charge resigns and then immediately gets hired by Hillary Clinton.

01:19:11.000 Got a great job. 1.00

01:19:12.000 Hillary Clinton's like, fuck it. 1.00

01:19:14.000 I'm going to hire you and it won't do anything. 1.00

01:19:16.000 She hires her. 0.99

01:19:17.000 She's so fucking unafraid of what's going to happen that she hires the woman who did such shitty things. 1.00

01:19:25.000 She had to resign, booed offstage, Hires her into her fucking party because she's like, fuck you! 1.00

01:19:32.000 I'm getting elected. 1.00

01:19:33.000 You're not stopping it, right?

01:19:35.000 But this is, again...

01:19:37.000 It's gangster, too, though.

01:19:39.000 It's gangster.

01:19:39.000 It's also a move on her part where, I mean, she's looking at what Trump is calling her Crooked Hillary.

01:19:47.000 It's a gangster move.

01:19:49.000 I mean, to hire a woman like that right in front of you. 1.00

01:19:52.000 Yeah, Wasserman Schultz.

01:19:53.000 Top post.

01:19:55.000 Mission accomplished at DNC. But this is not a new thing, man.

01:20:02.000 Let's go over this, because what exactly did they do that's so awful about Bernie Sanders?

01:20:07.000 What did they do?

01:20:07.000 So they apparently came up with a way to disseminate information to the press, highlighting certain aspects of Bernie Sanders that would be unappealing to the voter.

01:20:16.000 And they did this, and this has all been confirmed.

01:20:18.000 Can you Google that?

01:20:20.000 Find out what they actually said?

01:20:21.000 Let's find out what they actually said.

01:20:23.000 Summarize the WikiLeaks. 1.00

01:20:24.000 And see if we think they're being a bunch of whiny bitches. 1.00

01:20:26.000 But for sure, they wanted him. 0.99

01:20:27.000 Look, she's got way deeper arms in politics. 1.00

01:20:30.000 She's way more connected than he is, for sure.

01:20:33.000 And this is what we're seeing, too.

01:20:34.000 It's like a big part of being a political candidate is how many favors do you have?

01:20:38.000 How many people are you connected to?

01:20:40.000 How deep does your influence go?

01:20:42.000 Right.

01:20:42.000 And obviously her influence didn't just sit within her own little group of people that were working for her.

01:20:48.000 It had gotten to the DNC itself.

01:20:50.000 So she's deeply embedded in this whole system, whether it's because of friendships or ideologies or people just wanted her.

01:20:57.000 She's the chosen one.

01:20:58.000 Whatever reason, whatever deals were made or whoever, who knows?

01:21:01.000 Who knows what it is?

01:21:02.000 But when you find out that an organization that's supposed to be the head, it's supposed to be if everything was Yeah.

01:21:08.000 On the up and up, it's supposed to be objective and looking for what the people want as the best party.

01:21:13.000 But no, they're actually actively steering it, which is massively corrupt and kind of scary.

01:21:18.000 These people are deciding to steer an entire party, which is 50% of a political process because there's no...

01:21:26.000 We've got Libertarian Party for the first time.

01:21:28.000 People are taking Gary Johnson seriously.

01:21:29.000 He's going to do that town hall debate on Wednesday or town hall, one of those town hall things on Wednesday on CNN. But for the most part, it's Democrats and Republicans in most people's eyes.

01:21:40.000 So what they're essentially doing is rigging half of that process.

01:21:45.000 Yep.

01:21:45.000 That's scary.

01:21:46.000 We don't think anything's wrong with that, but we put Martha Stewart in jail for not telling exactly the truth about where she bought and sold stocks or whatever the fuck she lied about. 1.00

01:21:56.000 We do think something's wrong about it, but we can't do anything about it. 0.94

01:22:01.000 We do think something's wrong, but right now...

01:22:03.000 Okay, so if that institution is corrupt, and if the Republican institution is in some ways corrupt...

01:22:11.000 I think it might be safe to say, and I don't think too many people would be outraged at the idea that there is a institutionalized corruption in the entire American political system.

01:22:24.000 And it's very similar to the problem that happens in bike racing. 0.99

01:22:27.000 If one motherfucker rigs their bike or gets on fucking doping stuff that can't be detected, If you want to have a fair advantage, you've got to rig your bike and start doping too. 0.99

01:22:39.000 Or the person who rigs their bike will always win. 0.99

01:22:42.000 So, if politics is a competition, which it clearly is, and if members of the competition are using nefarious means to achieve their goals...

01:22:53.000 Which they clearly are.

01:22:53.000 Which they clearly are, then that would imply that if you wanted to survive in that system, you would also have to use nefarious means.

01:23:05.000 And this is not new. 0.99

01:23:07.000 This is old, old, old shit. 1.00

01:23:11.000 What's new is technology. 0.99

01:23:13.000 What's new is now people like Julian Assange are shining a light on the corruption and his whole idea is if I reveal this information it will force Reform via the outrage of the people who are supposed to be represented by a person who's breaking the law.

01:23:33.000 That's his idea.

01:23:34.000 We need reform. 0.98

01:23:35.000 And right now, we're at the point where it's very similar to when you're in a family, and this is one of the worst things that can fucking happen, man. 0.98

01:23:42.000 In a family, if there's somebody who's molesting somebody, it happens all the time, where a father or a brother will start fucking molesting somebody, right? 0.97

01:23:54.000 And people in the family know it, but they don't do anything about it. 0.99

01:23:59.000 Because to talk about what grandpa does every couple of years means the complete Disintegration of the fucking family, an apocalypse for the family. 0.95

01:24:11.000 In the same way, as more of these revelations become clear, which we always knew, but you could always float into a happy place and be like, nah, I'm just being a conspiracy dude. 0.97

01:24:20.000 I'm sure the stuff they're doing up on Capitol Hill is all fair and square.

01:24:25.000 You know, you can just believe it, kind of.

01:24:27.000 You just pretend to believe it.

01:24:29.000 Now it's like, well, no, you're wrong. 1.00

01:24:31.000 Look, hey, here's the fucking proof. 0.99

01:24:33.000 And here's going to be more proof. 1.00

01:24:34.000 And there's going to be more proof.

01:24:35.000 And there's going to be more proof.

01:24:37.000 Until finally, the American people are going to have to either just be like... 1.00

01:24:43.000 I'm just going to believe that four is three and three is four because I have a nice comfortable life and I don't want to fucking deal with this shit, man. 0.99

01:24:52.000 I'm just going to trust the banks because the banks like money. 0.99

01:24:56.000 Well, I have my job and as long as I keep my job, I'll keep my benefits.

01:25:00.000 Yeah, and by the way, P.S., man, when you consider that, it's like there's something pragmatic about that, as sad as it is, as depressing as it is, but the real...

01:25:14.000 Awful problem is that this country, I think, is like a metaphysical machine that was built by some very intelligent people who understood the energy flow that comes through a society and the elections were supposed to be an outlet valve for the pressure that builds up when people feel that they're being repressed,

01:25:34.000 right? 0.56

01:25:35.000 And if you start fucking with that output valve by putting up fake politicians that don't truly represent the people And hope that the people will believe that they have elected these people. 0.96

01:25:46.000 If you put two shitty choices in front of us, and we're supposed to look at that and be like, okay, everything's fine, then you're missing the point, which is that there is an energetic system that needs to get released. 0.96

01:26:01.000 At some point, the energy's got to go out. 0.57

01:26:03.000 If it doesn't go out, you get revolution.

01:26:05.000 That's the way the energy goes out the wrong way. 0.98

01:26:09.000 The idea is, let's fucking the American Revolution. 1.00

01:26:12.000 Brutal, bloody, awful, fucked. 1.00

01:26:15.000 These geniuses, many of them Freemasons, got together and they were like, you know what? 1.00

01:26:20.000 Is there a way that we can program history so that a society doesn't destroy itself intermittently with a fucking revolution?

01:26:28.000 Because if we could do that, we'll build one of the most powerful, never-ending societies on Earth because we figured out a way to outflow the pressure that builds up. 0.97

01:26:38.000 So when you start fucking with the goddamn political system and pretend that everything's gonna be okay, you are missing, I think, the point, which is that people who are very smart, maybe a lot smarter than the politicians we have today, recognize something, 0.99

01:26:55.000 built a thing, and said, let's just trust the fucking people. 0.99

01:26:58.000 Let's trust the people, release the steam, and voila! 0.99

01:27:02.000 Everything runs according to plan. 0.98

01:27:05.000 Now, the gears are a little fucking gummed up, man. 0.99

01:27:08.000 A little. 0.99

01:27:09.000 Yeah.

01:27:09.000 A little?

01:27:10.000 How gummed up?

01:27:12.000 How gummed up?

01:27:13.000 I think the gears are really crazy gummed up.

01:27:16.000 I think this is the first time we're realizing how much money people make by running for president.

01:27:21.000 How much money it costs to run for president, but how much money top political figures make in donations and in speeches.

01:27:28.000 Yeah.

01:27:28.000 Have you paid attention to how much they make in speeches?

01:27:31.000 Like Rudy Giuliani and Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton.

01:27:33.000 You mean bribes?

01:27:35.000 Well, this is what it is.

01:27:36.000 These...

01:27:38.000 Corporations can fund various universities.

01:27:42.000 They can donate money to all sorts of different programs where they would have someone speak.

01:27:48.000 And they can decide who gets to speak and who doesn't get to speak.

01:27:51.000 And they also have like the Clinton Foundation.

01:27:53.000 People donate money into that.

01:27:55.000 They don't donate just fuckloads of money.

01:27:58.000 So all these things, but hold on a second.

01:28:00.000 Sorry.

01:28:01.000 What they are essentially, you're paying someone to speak for an hour, and you're going to give them $750,000, and you want me to pretend that that's normal.

01:28:09.000 That's crazy.

01:28:10.000 And what does this person do?

01:28:11.000 They're a public servant.

01:28:13.000 Okay.

01:28:14.000 Okay, so they're a public servant, and while they're publicly serving, they're also making $750,000 to talk.

01:28:20.000 Yeah.

01:28:21.000 That seems a little crazy, doesn't it?

01:28:23.000 Like, why do they make so much money to do that?

01:28:25.000 And who was paying them? 1.00

01:28:26.000 And what do you have to benefit by having them come and read some nonsense, bullshit, boring speech? 0.99

01:28:34.000 A friend of mine went to see Rudy Giuliani after post 9-1-1 when he was on his victory tour. 0.98

01:28:38.000 He was on like a lap of the country doing these speeches because everybody loved him because he saved the world during, you know, September 11th.

01:28:45.000 He was the guy who stood strong and everybody like, wow, Rudy Giuliani is a good man.

01:28:48.000 So he wrote that and he started doing these speeches and he'd come to colleges. 1.00

01:28:51.000 And a friend of mine went to see him and said it was dog shit. 1.00

01:28:55.000 It was a boring ass, like, reading with no passion. 1.00

01:29:00.000 It was a cha-ching! 1.00

01:29:02.000 Go in there and say some nonsense about freedom and the American way and terrorism or whatever the fuck and first responders. 0.99

01:29:09.000 There wasn't anything real. 0.99

01:29:11.000 It was a performance.

01:29:13.000 It was like he was doing a one-man show all across the country for exorbitant sums of money. 0.95

01:29:18.000 God, that'd be fucking great if he was actually doing a one-man show. 0.92

01:29:22.000 153 million dollars in Bill and Hillary Clinton speaking fees documented. 0.97

01:29:28.000 This is just...

01:29:29.000 Jamie just pulled this up.

01:29:30.000 That...

01:29:31.000 That is stunning.

01:29:33.000 That's a...

01:29:35.000 Stunning amount of money.

01:29:37.000 It's over 15 years.

01:29:38.000 It's from 2001 to about now.

01:29:41.000 Still, it's more than...

01:29:42.000 That's perfect, then, because that's $10 million a year.

01:29:46.000 This is more recent of what she gets now.

01:29:51.000 $225,000.

01:29:52.000 That's her standard fee. 0.92

01:29:53.000 Oh, my God.

01:29:55.000 She prefers a private jet and prefers a Gulfstream 450 or larger.

01:29:59.000 The memo outlines that Clinton requires travel by private jet. 0.96

01:30:04.000 You know what would be fucking cool though? 0.92

01:30:06.000 Is this like, if you were like a mad billionaire, could you just get Hillary Clinton to come to your house and just speak to you for an hour in your living room? 0.95

01:30:14.000 This is fascinating.

01:30:17.000 Hold up, scroll back down there.

01:30:18.000 She made $21 million doing what? 1.00

01:30:20.000 She made $21.6 million in speeches in just under two years. 0.64

01:30:25.000 That's amazing.

01:30:27.000 That's incredible.

01:30:28.000 That's so much money. 0.88

01:30:30.000 She's like a kind of crazy animal that you can lure with money. 1.00

01:30:36.000 If you have enough money, you can lure a Hillary Clinton into your house. 1.00

01:30:40.000 You just have to lay it out.

01:30:41.000 She'll show up.

01:30:42.000 If I put carrots in my backyard, I'll probably get a rabbit or two.

01:30:45.000 If you have enough money, you can get politicians to come and start feeding at your mansion.

01:30:50.000 When does it become when does it become a bribe?

01:30:52.000 Okay, so should she like say well you can never be It's weird, right?

01:30:58.000 You couldn't be someone who is in public office and go and also have like a Book reading tour where you read from your novel about crime or something like that You'd have to be like a no fiction person When you're talking,

01:31:14.000 you're talking about what you do for work.

01:31:16.000 That's part of what you're talking about.

01:31:18.000 Nobody's going to ask Hillary Clinton to come and speak about the history of jazz in the United States.

01:31:23.000 She's not going to give speeches on that. 1.00

01:31:25.000 She's going to give speeches on politics, right?

01:31:27.000 I don't know.

01:31:28.000 So why is that okay?

01:31:31.000 Why can you have two jobs?

01:31:33.000 That means you're having a second job.

01:31:34.000 You're doing your job.

01:31:36.000 You're saying the things that you say during your job, but somebody else is paying you too.

01:31:40.000 Why is it okay?

01:31:41.000 Yeah, why is it okay to do that?

01:31:42.000 That seems like very problematic, right?

01:31:48.000 Why is it okay for your husband to go talk?

01:31:52.000 Who was he talking to?

01:31:53.000 The head of the...

01:31:54.000 whoever the prosecutor...

01:31:55.000 Bill Clinton went and had this secret meeting with what's his...

01:31:59.000 Who was it?

01:32:01.000 About what?

01:32:02.000 Oh, right, right, right.

01:32:05.000 Lindsay... 0.60

01:32:06.000 What the hell's her name? 1.00

01:32:11.000 Damn it. 0.99

01:32:12.000 The point is, like, you just are openly, like, hiring the woman who somehow warped the process of getting a Democratic nominee there. 0.99

01:32:23.000 Yeah.

01:32:24.000 What's her name?

01:32:25.000 Loretta Lynch.

01:32:25.000 Loretta.

01:32:26.000 Loretta Lynch.

01:32:27.000 Yeah.

01:32:27.000 Doesn't that sound like a country singer?

01:32:29.000 Yeah.

01:32:30.000 That's what I thought I was wrong at first.

01:32:31.000 I was like, oh, this isn't right.

01:32:32.000 Yeah, Loretta Lynn, right?

01:32:33.000 That's what it sounds like.

01:32:34.000 Loretta Lynch.

01:32:34.000 Yeah.

01:32:35.000 Now, Bill Clinton meets with the Attorney General on an Arizona tarmac.

01:32:39.000 Now, listen.

01:32:39.000 By the way, flew in on his private plane and said that it was impromptu.

01:32:44.000 Who the fuck flies impromptu on a private jet? 0.99

01:32:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:32:50.000 Hey, you know what?

01:32:51.000 Hey, who are we flying over right now?

01:32:53.000 He's just one of us.

01:32:55.000 Wait, are we flying over Loretta Lynch?

01:32:56.000 Oh, come on, stop now. 1.00

01:32:58.000 I'm going to get a piece of apple pie.

01:32:59.000 She's a good woman.

01:33:00.000 We're going to sit on the porch and drink lemonade and talk about our grandchildren.

01:33:04.000 Sit on the porch on the tarmac.

01:33:05.000 Nothing I love more than a nice picnic on the tarmac of an airport.

01:33:10.000 Well, this is the other thing that she lied about, being dead broke after leaving the White House.

01:33:15.000 Right.

01:33:15.000 Not only dead broke, but in debt, she said.

01:33:18.000 Apparently, that's just so not true. 0.97

01:33:21.000 Yeah, and now it's like, to make matters worse, it's like, you have to, there's this weird idea that's like, listen, you might not like Hillary fucking Clinton, Can you go back to that real quick? 0.99

01:33:34.000 But they're like, you better shut the fuck up about her because do you want Trump to be president? 0.99

01:33:40.000 That is what's going on, right? 0.99

01:33:41.000 Yeah.

01:33:42.000 Look what it says here.

01:33:43.000 This is where it's confusing.

01:33:44.000 It says, when Hillary filed a financial disclosure document after entering the Senate in 2001, she reported assets of less than $1.8 million and liabilities of more than $2 million.

01:33:54.000 Well, what were they doing with all the money?

01:33:57.000 What are they spending money on? 0.97

01:33:59.000 Who the fuck, okay, who has like $2 million in assets and $2 million in debt? 0.99

01:34:07.000 Do you have $2 million in debt? 0.99

01:34:08.000 No.

01:34:09.000 Most people don't have $2 million in debt.

01:34:11.000 That's a crazy amount of money.

01:34:13.000 Did you guys have a budget?

01:34:15.000 You're dead broke. 1.00

01:34:16.000 No, you guys are crazy. 1.00

01:34:17.000 What are you, partying? 1.00

01:34:18.000 You guys doing blow and buying Ferraris?

01:34:20.000 Just staying on Amazon late at night. 1.00

01:34:22.000 Who the fuck gets two million dollars in the hole? 0.99

01:34:26.000 If you wanted to have someone that you wanted to balance the budget, wouldn't you pick the person that doesn't get two million in the hole? 1.00

01:34:34.000 I mean...

01:34:35.000 Oh, man.

01:34:37.000 Trump's been bankrupt a gang of times, too, right?

01:34:40.000 Has he been bankrupt a few times?

01:34:41.000 Yep, that's what they say.

01:34:42.000 He says he likes going bankrupt.

01:34:44.000 It's somehow part of some plan. 1.00

01:34:47.000 Now, the question, what about the shit about Saudi Arabia? 0.99

01:34:50.000 What is this? 0.99

01:34:51.000 You don't remember this?

01:34:52.000 I remember when it's like Saturday Night Live was making jokes about them stealing like silverware and fine china and stuff from when they were like leaving like on their last days there. 0.88

01:35:02.000 Oh that's ridiculous.

01:35:03.000 What year was this? 0.76

01:35:04.000 This was like from 2000. Like when they were literally leaving and the bushes were coming in.

01:35:09.000 Oh my god.

01:35:10.000 They were taking all sorts of extra artwork and all kinds of things.

01:35:13.000 And I don't know if it's true but I don't think the meme has gone away.

01:35:17.000 I don't know man.

01:35:19.000 Huh.

01:35:20.000 That's hilarious, though.

01:35:21.000 I don't know.

01:35:21.000 She's so gangster.

01:35:23.000 Part of me, look, I kind of appreciate it, in a way.

01:35:27.000 She's like our Putin. 0.58

01:35:30.000 Yeah, great.

01:35:32.000 Great.

01:35:32.000 Just what we need.

01:35:33.000 I'll tell you, part of me appreciates how gangster she is. 1.00

01:35:36.000 There's a video going around of her talking from 2000 about not having email, and then imagine if she had emails, like what the investigators would find.

01:35:45.000 Sure, of course.

01:35:46.000 Fine, it's on Mike Pence's Twitter page. 1.00

01:35:48.000 Didn't she take money from Saudi Arabia, or is that bullshit? 1.00

01:35:52.000 Allegedly. 0.99

01:35:52.000 I'm not really her accountant, so I can't just... 0.99

01:35:54.000 I don't know.

01:35:56.000 You know, man, I think it's like a crazy time right now, because we're actually getting to witness... 0.99

01:36:02.000 The cool thing about all this shit is, as nefarious as these assholes want to be, they can't keep up with technology. 0.99

01:36:10.000 They're being exposed technologically, and that's going to continue to happen. 1.00

01:36:16.000 And that's pretty fucking badass, man. 0.92

01:36:18.000 No matter how powerful a gangster Hillary Clinton is, she has apparently zero security on her computer systems or very little security. 1.00

01:36:26.000 And maybe if she had great security, she still couldn't stop the infiltration of hackers. 0.99

01:36:34.000 And this is going to keep happening and happening and happening until either we just accept That our politicians are innately corrupt, or we come up with some fucking way to starve them out, to make it so that they are... 0.99

01:36:48.000 But how? 0.99

01:36:49.000 I mean...

01:36:49.000 Well, don't you think Bernie's like the first step in that?

01:36:52.000 Like, Bernie's no perfect person, right?

01:36:54.000 I'm not the most gigantic Bernie Sanders supporter because I've talked to economists that tell me that what he was proposing is not fiscally possible.

01:37:03.000 Yeah.

01:37:04.000 So I don't know if they're right or he's right.

01:37:06.000 And it's all real tricky to me.

01:37:08.000 Like the idea of democratic socialism, like, boy, it sounds good.

01:37:11.000 It sounds good if people got more.

01:37:12.000 I'm warming up to the idea of universal basic income.

01:37:15.000 I kind of like that idea.

01:37:16.000 Because I think if you think about how much resources we spend on things like cops and firemen and damage done and police and rather prisons and how much time maybe we could avoid some of that, like maybe a big chunk of it.

01:37:30.000 I think universal basic income has something that we should explore as a culture.

01:37:37.000 But I think also requiring people to do certain things, like in the community.

01:37:42.000 Requiring some sort of community service.

01:37:44.000 How nice would it be if, I mean, it's nice to be able to pay someone to take out the garbage, but maybe we'd appreciate each other more if we all took out the garbage once a month.

01:37:53.000 No way, man.

01:37:53.000 I disagree with that.

01:37:54.000 That's what they're doing in Venezuela, by the way.

01:37:56.000 What are they doing?

01:37:57.000 They're forcing people to...

01:37:59.000 To be farmers for like 60 days out of the year or something like that.

01:38:04.000 To make them feel good about farmers? 0.97

01:38:07.000 No, because like Venezuela is fucking imploding and they need like... 0.97

01:38:10.000 But I'll tell you, man... 0.95

01:38:13.000 Anytime the government or federal workers get more power in whatever way it may be, that's a bad thing for all of us. 0.98

01:38:24.000 And I think that the more we can push their fucking tendrils out of our consciousness, the better. 0.95

01:38:33.000 And so anytime anyone is suggesting some new... 0.98

01:38:38.000 I don't care how fucking utopian it sounds. 0.90

01:38:41.000 Anytime anyone... 0.98

01:38:42.000 Here's the thing.

01:38:43.000 Do you think the government is corrupt?

01:38:45.000 If the answer is yes, why would you want to give them more power?

01:38:49.000 Why would you want to give them more tax money? 0.55

01:38:51.000 Yeah.

01:38:51.000 Yes.

01:38:51.000 Why?

01:38:52.000 When you're talking about taxing people, you're not talking about giving that money directly to the poor people.

01:38:57.000 Right.

01:38:58.000 You're not.

01:38:59.000 Yeah, man.

01:38:59.000 You're talking about it going to the government, and the government distributes it with no receipt.

01:39:03.000 Right, man.

01:39:04.000 That's what they do right now.

01:39:05.000 Yeah, we don't want that. 0.99

01:39:06.000 That's fucked up. 0.98

01:39:07.000 If these people up there, if they were like, somehow, we actually... 0.99

01:39:11.000 Just imagine.

01:39:12.000 Here's a crazy fantasy.

01:39:13.000 I don't know how you'd implement it, but let's imagine we had a system where, every four years, some of the coolest, smartest people in the country became our leaders. 0.88

01:39:25.000 That would be fucking insane.

01:39:27.000 The coolest, smartest people don't want that job just by nature. 0.89

01:39:29.000 It's a strange job, the idea of wanting to be the person that's in control of everything.

01:39:34.000 And I think until it goes horribly wrong, we're going to stay on the outside and we're going to go, somebody.

01:39:41.000 Come on, somebody.

01:39:42.000 Come on, somebody.

01:39:42.000 I'll tell you, man, I think some of the coolest, smartest people, because they're so cool, I'm just saying, this is a mystery how to get to them.

01:39:50.000 But let's just say you could.

01:39:51.000 It's a mystery how you get to them.

01:39:53.000 Let's say, and let's imagine they're...

01:39:54.000 Who are they?

01:39:55.000 What?

01:39:55.000 Who are they?

01:39:57.000 You don't even have to name a person, but give me the attributes you would want.

01:40:01.000 I would take somebody like Elon Musk.

01:40:03.000 I would take somebody like you.

01:40:06.000 I would take somebody...

01:40:07.000 Why not?

01:40:08.000 I would take somebody like...

01:40:09.000 Because I don't want the job.

01:40:10.000 What?

01:40:11.000 I don't want the job that Elon doesn't either.

01:40:12.000 Alright, fine.

01:40:13.000 But we all sit together in a room and we're like, hey man, let's imagine like five more badasses, right?

01:40:21.000 We all sit together in a room and we say, listen... 0.99

01:40:25.000 I know none of you guys want this fucking job. 0.99

01:40:27.000 You're successful because you're super smart and you're super cool and you're having great lives. 0.99

01:40:33.000 But would you consider for a couple of years helping us work this shit out so the planet gets a little better? 0.95

01:40:42.000 And I guarantee, now again, this is a fantasy, but I guarantee that there will be very few people in that room who'd be like, no! 0.98

01:40:49.000 I'm gonna live my life.

01:40:50.000 You'd be like, yeah, I'll do it for two years, no problem.

01:40:52.000 I'll do it for four years, sure.

01:40:54.000 I would love to help.

01:40:55.000 And so for four years you go into this job truly thinking, man, I'm gonna see if I can reduce the number of people who are fucking Uneducated and hungry and the bombs going off and I'm gonna try to do it by using all of my smartest friends and I'm not doing it because I'm gonna get money from this group or that group.

01:41:16.000 I'm doing it because it feels like the right thing to do.

01:41:19.000 Do you know what that's called, man? 0.98

01:41:20.000 That's called the American fucking dream that the Founding Fathers came up with. 0.98

01:41:25.000 That was the idea. 0.96

01:41:26.000 We're gonna have a group of brilliant, wonderful people who want this particular swath of human beings to be a peaceful, what is it?

01:41:37.000 A peaceful place where you can experience life.

01:41:41.000 Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, right?

01:41:45.000 Freedom, autonomy, community, all these beautiful things.

01:41:49.000 That was the idea.

01:41:50.000 Beautiful idea. 0.99

01:41:51.000 It'll almost make you cry when you think about how beautiful a fucking idea that is. 0.97

01:41:56.000 And then to imagine that that idea over the course of time was gradually deteriorated, gradually infiltrated, gradually broken down. 0.94

01:42:07.000 And of course it was because When there is a powerful empire, the empire is inevitably attacked by entities that want to take it over.

01:42:16.000 Of course, it's the nature of things. 0.99

01:42:19.000 Something powerful, some asshole wants that power. 0.94

01:42:22.000 And so, an analysis of the system over the course of time, or an intentional infiltration by people who have all the money, or just some systemic degradation, a slow sort of Collapse of a million different systems inside the thing has happened that has happened and yet the Concept remains one of the most beautiful ideas one of the most incredible fucking ideas. 0.95

01:42:49.000 They cannot erode the concept Well, maybe it can still be saved with technology Maybe the transparency that's being afforded by technology is going to somehow or another step in and put a halt to what we see as just a standard operational behavior of corruption and influence.

01:43:07.000 Corruption and influence is just so standard that it's right in front of us.

01:43:11.000 When CNN is printing Hillary Clinton's annual earnings for the past two years is $21 million and no one's batting an eye. 0.94

01:43:19.000 She's sitting there with her bite suit.

01:43:22.000 She has that bite suit on. 1.00

01:43:23.000 Looks like a fucking German Shepherd's gonna jump out of the bushes and grab her suit. 1.00

01:43:26.000 She walks around in these boxy bite suits and she's She's making ungodly sums of money from just talking. 1.00

01:43:34.000 And she's doing it right in front of our face. 1.00

01:43:36.000 Yeah.

01:43:37.000 I mean, that's one of the beautiful things about Bernie Sanders.

01:43:40.000 One of the most beautiful things.

01:43:41.000 He says, I didn't take a dime from those people.

01:43:43.000 I don't speak to the banks.

01:43:45.000 Yeah.

01:43:45.000 Because what did you say when you got paid half a million plus or whatever she got paid to speak?

01:43:51.000 How much did she get paid to speak to the banks? 1.00

01:43:52.000 Because there was something fucking bananas about that one. 0.95

01:43:56.000 There was one of the ones that she got paid. 0.97

01:43:57.000 It might have been the $250 million one.

01:43:59.000 The speech you won't release.

01:44:01.000 Yeah, there's a bunch she won't release.

01:44:02.000 She won't release the ones where she talks to banks.

01:44:04.000 They'll get released.

01:44:05.000 They speak in Latin.

01:44:05.000 They get together.

01:44:06.000 They fucking burn babies. 1.00

01:44:08.000 They start talking in tongues and shit. 1.00

01:44:13.000 They're all eyes-wise shut it out. 1.00

01:44:15.000 Hoods on and fucking candlelight. 1.00

01:44:18.000 Pentagrams everywhere. 0.99

01:44:19.000 Yeah, man, I wouldn't be fucking surprised if there's a few things they do that we might consider to be a little abnormal when they get together. 0.93

01:44:26.000 Bohemian Grove. 0.98

01:44:28.000 Look, Bohemian Grove, whatever the fuck they're doing there, whatever they do it for, for whatever reason, they really do, or at least used to, dress up in robes and burn an effigy in front of a fucking giant owl statue, okay? 0.99

01:44:41.000 There's a video of it. 0.99

01:44:42.000 It's real.

01:44:43.000 For them, they say it's fun, and it's just like one of those...

01:44:48.000 Frat pranks or traditions that people do. 0.71

01:44:52.000 They'll dress up in weird costumes and they go through some weird skull and bone ceremony that their grandpappy did.

01:44:58.000 And everybody does it because you want to be...

01:45:01.000 What is it called?

01:45:02.000 Pledged?

01:45:02.000 You want to be pledged?

01:45:03.000 Initiated.

01:45:04.000 Initiated.

01:45:04.000 Yeah, I mean, come on, man.

01:45:06.000 There's a real video of these fucking multi-millionaire guys meeting in Bohemian Grove and burning these... 0.99

01:45:13.000 Look at that. 0.99

01:45:14.000 Hillary Clinton was paid $225,000 to speak at Goldman Sachs Builders and Innovators Conference.

01:45:19.000 Yeah.

01:45:20.000 Builders and innovators.

01:45:21.000 At the Ritz-Carlton Dove Mountain Resort in Marana, Arizona.

01:45:25.000 That is a golfer's paradise.

01:45:27.000 All those rich dudes out there golfing, driving those convertible Mercedes with the metal tops.

01:45:32.000 Golfer's paradise.

01:45:33.000 They're closed and open in like 13 seconds. 1.00

01:45:35.000 Yeah, these guys are, look, they're all fucking monsters. 0.99

01:45:38.000 You know, man, I'll tell you, this is something I was thinking. 1.00

01:45:42.000 And by the way, I'm sorry I did a fucking seemingly patriotic spiel. 0.97

01:45:47.000 I didn't know that was inside of me. 0.97

01:45:48.000 It's not patriotic at all.

01:45:49.000 Well, it is patriotic, but you're right.

01:45:53.000 These people were massively repressed by Europe.

01:45:57.000 They took this incredible chance of getting in boats and coming across an ocean.

01:46:01.000 Yeah.

01:46:02.000 In a time where we're navigating things with something that looks like a protractor.

01:46:06.000 Yeah.

01:46:06.000 I mean, they had sextants.

01:46:09.000 You know, they're staring at the fucking constellations trying to figure out which way to go. 0.99

01:46:12.000 They're manipulating the air to get there. 1.00

01:46:14.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.98

01:46:16.000 And a lot of them are doing that because they want to worship God in a certain way that they're not able to see where they're coming from. 0.99

01:46:21.000 But even whatever their rationale for leaving, they still have the balls to get on a fucking boat and make it across the ocean. 0.99

01:46:27.000 So that puts them in a better place in my eyes than those pussies that stayed back and believed in logic but lived under the rule of the queen. 1.00

01:46:35.000 Those dummies are the king. 1.00

01:46:37.000 Was it a king back then? 0.96

01:46:38.000 Probably a king.

01:46:39.000 Probably a king.

01:46:39.000 But my point is, I don't have a point, but if I had a point, it would be, that's the reason why America is so fucking badass, that at least the reverberations of the initial instincts to start it still exist.

01:46:53.000 Yeah, the idea can't go away.

01:46:54.000 It's like a geometric form, but here's the problem, man.

01:46:57.000 Okay, this is what I was thinking.

01:46:59.000 So, let's imagine that you and I are somehow, I don't know why, we end up on a cruise ship It's like the opposite of a reality show where you find a great person.

01:47:17.000 Over the course of months, they find the world's worst people, right? 0.99

01:47:23.000 And so, maybe the world's most unwise people are the world's dumbest people. 1.00

01:47:28.000 So you end up with a population of 60 idiots on the boat. 1.00

01:47:33.000 And I'm not saying we're not idiots. 1.00

01:47:35.000 I certainly don't consider myself to be a Mensa member. 0.99

01:47:38.000 But let's imagine we're a little more on the ball than these guys are. 0.99

01:47:42.000 The boat fucking wrecks. 0.99

01:47:46.000 We're on an island. 0.99

01:47:46.000 Now we have to build a civilization. 0.99

01:47:49.000 How does democracy become a good thing if the majority of people are kind of not that fucking on point, right? 0.96

01:48:00.000 Let's imagine it's a boat filled with psychotics. 0.99

01:48:03.000 Let's imagine it's a boat filled with people who are paranoid schizophrenics, for example.

01:48:07.000 How do you have a democracy of paranoid schizophrenics running things?

01:48:12.000 And so when you have the news spraying out a paradigm that Is also weirdly corrupt in the sense that the news is being run by groups of people who want to sell advertising and need to be entertaining.

01:48:26.000 And you know they have to at least present this information in a kind of entertaining, possibly warped way.

01:48:32.000 There are cases, including in the recent WikiLeaks dump, where the NDD? No.

01:48:42.000 Non-disclosure agreement?

01:48:43.000 No, the Democratic group, the DNC, was giving talking points to the press, right?

01:48:50.000 So, if the media is painting a picture of the universe that is not Accurate or is warped a little bit based on consumerism or the corporations that are running things, then the people who have tuned into that reality and believe it to be true,

01:49:08.000 you could safely say they are mildly psychotic because they have Bought into a reality tunnel that might not actually exist. 0.99

01:49:16.000 In which case, is a democracy at that point a good thing if the people living in the democracy have for a lifetime been getting bad information shot into their fucking brains? 1.00

01:49:28.000 Marijuana will give you brain damage! 1.00

01:49:31.000 War is good! 1.00

01:49:32.000 Sometimes you just need to fucking kill people. 1.00

01:49:34.000 We have got to get into fucking Iraq because Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction that he is going to Leash on the fucking West. 1.00

01:49:44.000 Wrong information. 1.00

01:49:45.000 But if you believe it, you believe wrong information.

01:49:48.000 And if you believe wrong information, then that means that you are no longer walking along the path that is there, but a path created by other people, right?

01:49:59.000 So that's when democracy gets really interesting.

01:50:02.000 Because now what we have is very powerful hypnotic cobbles of billionaires sending bad information to the population in an attempt to shift their perceptual mechanisms in such a way that they will elect leaders that don't represent them,

01:50:21.000 but that have been created by these machines to take over the The world.

01:50:27.000 And in that case, the democracy becomes a little bit more problematic.

01:50:31.000 So that's another problem.

01:50:33.000 It's like, okay, great.

01:50:34.000 Now let's imagine we suddenly have a functioning democracy.

01:50:36.000 What if a lot of people in that functioning democracy have subscribed to ideas that aren't real and that they're not willing to let go of?

01:50:46.000 Are you writing down, never put Duncan on the show again?

01:50:48.000 No, no.

01:50:49.000 I had to remember something.

01:50:49.000 I keep forgetting.

01:50:50.000 I have to remember it.

01:50:52.000 I don't want to stop your rant.

01:50:53.000 Oh, cool. 0.99

01:50:56.000 Just, you know, when you're high as fuck, like we are right now. 0.99

01:50:58.000 That's so great. 0.99

01:50:59.000 And we start talking about stuff.

01:51:00.000 When you're talking, I have an idea, but I have to follow your idea, and my idea slips away.

01:51:05.000 I had to write it down real quick. 0.98

01:51:06.000 It's just, the idea is, what if many of us, like, the shit we believe ain't real? 0.99

01:51:12.000 And what if that shit that we think is real has been intentionally placed into our heads by corporations with the intention of making us behave in a certain way? 0.99

01:51:20.000 At that point, a democracy becomes problematic. 0.99

01:51:23.000 Like, what are you going to do if, you know, there's so many people right now who believe, like, Trump is putting out a reality tunnel, Hillary Clinton's putting out a reality tunnel.

01:51:33.000 These are two different reality tunnels where many of the pieces of it might not actually reflect what's happening in the world.

01:51:41.000 So it's like, which of these made-up stories are you gonna tune into, or are you gonna reject both of them and go wandering off into the woods alone and try to, in your own way, understand what's happening, minus the influence of the corporate media?

01:51:59.000 I was thinking when we were talking about people coming over in boats that we were talking earlier about the human biome and that your your gut biome in particular it affects your mood your intelligence level your personality it affects your immune system and that That's one thing that I've been really getting into over the last few years.

01:52:17.000 It's really concentrating on probiotics.

01:52:20.000 First, kombucha.

01:52:21.000 That was the big one.

01:52:22.000 I like that GT's kombucha.

01:52:24.000 I like that original flavor.

01:52:25.000 It almost feels like someone blew their nose in it.

01:52:28.000 Those slimy slugs.

01:52:31.000 Those kombucha slugs that you gotta throw down.

01:52:34.000 But it's really good for your immune system, man.

01:52:35.000 It made a big difference with all my travel on the road.

01:52:37.000 But then I started really getting into kefir.

01:52:40.000 Started really getting into, I drink goat's milk kefir several times a week, and I drink like a whole glass of it.

01:52:46.000 And man, the more I've been concentrating on that, kimchi, that's another one that I've really gotten into lately, fermented cabbage, it's really good for you, very probiotic as well.

01:52:57.000 The more I'm doing this, I feel happier, if that makes any sense.

01:53:01.000 It actually makes me feel better.

01:53:03.000 I don't just feel healthier in terms of my immune system's really good, but I feel better. 0.94

01:53:09.000 So what I was thinking is, these poor fucks that got on that boat and came across the seas, when you think about the horrible atrocities committed by the pilgrims or the Columbus's soldiers when they came over here, by one account of a missionary, 0.96

01:53:25.000 they were dashing babies' heads on rocks, they were cutting people's arms off if they didn't bring back their weight in gold. 1.00

01:53:30.000 There was some really dark, dark, dark shit going on. 0.99

01:53:35.000 I wonder if it was a combination of, obviously, barbaric human beings in barbaric times when things were just way fucking different and there was very little accountability for psychopathic behavior. 1.00

01:53:48.000 And in fact, you hired these fucking psychopaths, these abused people, murderers. 1.00

01:53:52.000 Those are your soldiers. 1.00

01:53:54.000 Those are the people you're hiring. 1.00

01:53:55.000 Those are the people that you put on that fucking boat. 1.00

01:53:57.000 Those are the only people that are willing. 1.00

01:53:59.000 So they get across this ocean.

01:54:00.000 It takes months, right?

01:54:01.000 How long did it take to get across the sea?

01:54:02.000 Find that out.

01:54:03.000 I'm going to say three months.

01:54:04.000 Do you think it took three months?

01:54:06.000 I don't know.

01:54:06.000 I'm going to say it took like 90 days.

01:54:08.000 I would think longer than that, man.

01:54:10.000 Probably right.

01:54:11.000 Maybe four months?

01:54:12.000 What do you think?

01:54:13.000 Four months?

01:54:13.000 I don't know.

01:54:15.000 I feel like three months would do it if you knew what you were doing.

01:54:18.000 You got to get the right wins.

01:54:20.000 I mean, it's like...

01:54:21.000 Well, you definitely might not make it.

01:54:24.000 It says approximately two months.

01:54:25.000 Wow.

01:54:25.000 Two months.

01:54:26.000 Quick.

01:54:26.000 It started in early August and got there October 12th.

01:54:29.000 Wow.

01:54:30.000 God, that's so ballsy.

01:54:32.000 Took approximately two months.

01:54:33.000 Christopher Columbus started his voyage in Palos, Spain in early August of 1492 with three ships, the Nina and the Pinto Santa Maria.

01:54:42.000 We all know that stuff.

01:54:43.000 Wow, that's amazing. 1.00

01:54:45.000 Can you imagine just being on that boat, being a fucking fly on the wall on that boat, watching those murderers sail across the ocean and knowing one day you're going to get a day off school for those cunts. 1.00

01:54:55.000 No shit. 1.00

01:54:56.000 I mean, think of that. 1.00

01:54:57.000 They showed up and they just raped and murdered everybody. 0.99

01:54:59.000 And we get a day off school for them. 0.99

01:55:01.000 It's Columbus Day!

01:55:02.000 Praying along the way.

01:55:04.000 Long weekend.

01:55:04.000 We're going to have a suit coming.

01:55:06.000 Woo! 0.99

01:55:08.000 Again, there you go.

01:55:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:55:09.000 The fucking information that we have does not accurately reflect reality. 0.99

01:55:15.000 Right. 1.00

01:55:15.000 We have been conditioned intentionally by a power structure to believe in a reality tunnel that if you don't believe in that reality tunnel, you're considered to be somebody who's a little crazy. 1.00

01:55:29.000 You're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

01:55:31.000 Columbus was a good man. 1.00

01:55:32.000 What are you fucking talking about? 1.00

01:55:33.000 Remember that commercial where the guy's eating salad and his friends going, what do you mean if I buy drugs you support terrorism? 1.00

01:55:39.000 It's a fact.

01:55:40.000 Right, that.

01:55:40.000 He's eating salad.

01:55:41.000 He's a no-nonsense kind of steak bar.

01:55:43.000 Remember that?

01:55:43.000 That.

01:55:44.000 Because it's a fact.

01:55:44.000 I say it because it's a fact.

01:55:46.000 That's it. 0.90

01:55:46.000 The guy's like standing there like, it's that relationship that we all know of that one fucking super good arguing right-wing guy that's a little bit older than the other guy and he kind of clowns them when they have lunch together. 0.90

01:55:57.000 Come on, get your shit together, Mike. 1.00

01:55:59.000 Okay? 0.99

01:56:00.000 We're gonna make the loan go through, but straighten out your credit.

01:56:03.000 Yeah.

01:56:03.000 That's the same guy.

01:56:04.000 Because you're supporting terrorism.

01:56:06.000 It's a fact.

01:56:06.000 He's eating a salad.

01:56:07.000 I say it because it's a fact.

01:56:08.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:56:09.000 There's something psychological, there's like a mindfuck going on because we know that relationship. 1.00

01:56:14.000 We know that paradigm between the really fucking straight-up Republican, no-nonsense, got his shit together, has a cigar and a single malt scotch and that's about it. 0.99

01:56:24.000 And we know that other guy who's like, hey, I heard that Tower 7 is an inside job. 0.99

01:56:29.000 What?

01:56:30.000 Yeah, don't say that.

01:56:32.000 Eating his lettuce. 0.99

01:56:33.000 Don't fucking say that. 0.99

01:56:34.000 It's not true. 0.99

01:56:34.000 It's not true because it's a fact. 0.99

01:56:36.000 Yeah.

01:56:37.000 I know it's a fact.

01:56:38.000 Tower 7's a bad example.

01:56:39.000 But that thing that people like to do.

01:56:41.000 It's a fact. 1.00

01:56:42.000 Well, fuck, man. 1.00

01:56:43.000 I mean, yeah, that... 1.00

01:56:44.000 It's a fact, fucking guy, is our version of a person who has been... 0.99

01:56:49.000 It happens in North Korea. 0.99

01:56:50.000 There's that, like...

01:56:51.000 I don't know if you saw it, but, like, in one of these documentaries about North Korea, which I love to watch because it's the ultimate example of a hypnotized culture. 0.96

01:56:59.000 When you...

01:56:59.000 Ultimate.

01:57:00.000 Ultimate.

01:57:00.000 And it's right now.

01:57:01.000 Right now.

01:57:02.000 Which is insane when you consider what the past could have been like.

01:57:06.000 We don't have a window.

01:57:08.000 We don't have a window into what Genghis Khan's empire was like.

01:57:10.000 We don't have a window to Mao's China.

01:57:12.000 We don't have a window to that.

01:57:13.000 But we have a window right now. 0.98

01:57:14.000 A fucking physical window of real video. 0.98

01:57:16.000 This is it. 0.99

01:57:17.000 This is the guy.

01:57:17.000 This is the no-nonsense guy.

01:57:19.000 Play the commercial.

01:57:19.000 I love this commercial.

01:57:20.000 Go from the beginning.

01:57:21.000 Do it from the beginning.

01:57:23.000 F-A-C-T spells it.

01:57:26.000 This drug money funds terror.

01:57:28.000 It's a ploy.

01:57:29.000 Ploy.

01:57:30.000 A manipulation.

01:57:32.000 Ploy.

01:57:33.000 A drug money funds terror.

01:57:34.000 I mean, why should I believe that?

01:57:35.000 Jamie's new to the internet.

01:57:36.000 He's got several tabs going at the same time.

01:57:38.000 Oh, I thought someone had, like... 0.96

01:57:39.000 You're gonna hear him moaning soon, because he's got his porn... 0.99

01:57:41.000 It's a ploy. 0.99

01:57:42.000 Yeah.

01:57:43.000 This drug money funds terror.

01:57:45.000 It's a ploy.

01:57:46.000 Ploy.

01:57:47.000 A manipulation.

01:57:49.000 Ploy.

01:57:50.000 Look, he's eating.

01:57:50.000 Ploy.

01:57:51.000 I mean, why should I believe that?

01:57:53.000 Because it's a fact.

01:57:54.000 A fact.

01:57:55.000 F-A-C-T fact.

01:57:57.000 So you're saying that I should believe it because it's true?

01:58:01.000 That's your argument?

01:58:02.000 It is true. 1.00

01:58:07.000 This is the dumbest fucking conversation because I want to jump in there and I say, okay, well tell me how that's true. 1.00

01:58:12.000 Give me some specifics of how drug money funds terror. 1.00

01:58:15.000 Can I tell you how it's true?

01:58:16.000 Yeah, you're the guy.

01:58:17.000 I'm the other guy.

01:58:18.000 Here's how it's true.

01:58:19.000 Okay.

01:58:19.000 So, many of the people who are currently in the U.S. government have taken lots of money from the pharmaceutical companies that supply some of the most dangerous drugs on earth.

01:58:35.000 To people all over the planet.

01:58:38.000 And those people in the government are also in charge of dropping bombs on people in other parts of the world.

01:58:46.000 Let me stop you right there. 0.98

01:58:47.000 They also made Viagra and the pill.

01:58:50.000 That's great.

01:58:51.000 Okay.

01:58:52.000 How about that?

01:58:52.000 Don't you use Viagra?

01:58:53.000 Don't you like the pill?

01:58:54.000 Still drugs. 0.99

01:58:55.000 Don't you like to shoot loads in your girl without any consequences? 1.00

01:58:57.000 Yes. 0.99

01:58:58.000 I know we all do.

01:58:59.000 But that's funding terrorism.

01:59:00.000 Every time you shoot a load into your girl, that's funding terrorism.

01:59:05.000 Are you sure?

01:59:06.000 Is it a fact?

01:59:07.000 Is it an FACT fact?

01:59:08.000 It's an FACT fact, baby!

01:59:11.000 Dude, terrorism. 1.00

01:59:12.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:59:13.000 I'll tell you, fucking terrorism. 1.00

01:59:14.000 Terrorism is every time. 1.00

01:59:16.000 I mean, when you start hearing the civilian casualties in Syria and all over the fucking place. 0.99

01:59:20.000 I gotta show you something. 0.98

01:59:21.000 Go back a few days on my Twitter feed.

01:59:25.000 I retweeted this Syrian girl who is praying.

01:59:29.000 Oh, I saw it.

01:59:30.000 I saw it.

01:59:31.000 You've seen it?

01:59:31.000 Okay.

01:59:31.000 Play it again if you want to horrify the fucking audience, but I'd rather not watch it again.

01:59:35.000 Okay, well, let's just describe what it is. 0.99

01:59:37.000 You can go watch it.

01:59:38.000 Forget it, Jamie.

01:59:39.000 He's gonna freak out.

01:59:40.000 He's ready to cry.

01:59:41.000 I'm ready to cry.

01:59:42.000 It's horrible.

01:59:43.000 There's a guy and he's talking to his daughter and she's reciting a prayer and apparently she's reciting some prayer of safety and while they're doing it, you hear, And they both get shot, like, rocketed back and forth,

02:00:00.000 like something hit near their building.

02:00:01.000 You see, like, the reverberations, the impact move them.

02:00:06.000 They jut out of the frame and then the video stops.

02:00:08.000 It's terrifying.

02:00:09.000 I mean, look.

02:00:11.000 It might not even be real.

02:00:13.000 I'm assuming it's real.

02:00:14.000 I'm assuming it's real.

02:00:15.000 Yeah.

02:00:16.000 It might not even be real.

02:00:17.000 But it- because I don't know.

02:00:19.000 I can't verify it.

02:00:19.000 But that happens exactly the way you're looking at it.

02:00:23.000 Whether or not that is an actual representation or whether or not somebody wants you to imagine what it would be like, I don't know.

02:00:29.000 I don't know the veracity.

02:00:30.000 I haven't studied the video.

02:00:32.000 I don't know.

02:00:33.000 Have you?

02:00:33.000 Do you know whether or not anybody's calling bullshit on that video?

02:00:36.000 Well look, they do bomb people. 0.98

02:00:38.000 Exactly.

02:00:39.000 But I'm not sure if you're seeing that or if it's one of those.

02:00:41.000 There's a company that was, I think it's in Australia, that they create fake viral videos to get hits.

02:00:49.000 And they're a special effects company.

02:00:51.000 And they're responsible for a gang of amazing videos that have been online.

02:00:55.000 One of them was this couple that shot a lion.

02:00:59.000 And then you see the lion, another lion, they're standing over a lion taking pictures.

02:01:04.000 This one special effects group made that and a bunch of other fake ones too that a lot of people sent me and they said they were real and I retweeted them like, oh wow, that's crazy, man.

02:01:14.000 But meanwhile, these people are just special effects artists.

02:01:16.000 The lion one didn't get me.

02:01:18.000 I was like, this is too perfectly framed.

02:01:20.000 It's too good.

02:01:22.000 Got me.

02:01:23.000 Didn't get me at all.

02:01:24.000 Plus, I didn't like the way the lion, the way it was looking, the way it was sitting there on the ground.

02:01:28.000 It looked fake.

02:01:29.000 The whole thing looked like a fake lion.

02:01:31.000 But then there's one that came out today that I'm reasonably sure is real.

02:01:36.000 And that's one I was telling you about before the show where there's a bear in this guy's house.

02:01:39.000 And he looks downstairs, and my friend Shane Carwin actually tweeted a picture.

02:01:44.000 I gotta retweet it when I find it. 0.99

02:01:46.000 He tweeted me a picture today of a fucking bear that broke into his friend's cabin and tore it apart. 1.00

02:01:51.000 Tore the refrigerator open, ripped out everything on the floor, ripped out cabinets, just tore his fucking place apart. 0.99

02:01:58.000 And apparently his friend called Shane is like, uh, hey dude, did you use my cabin or something? 0.98

02:02:05.000 Shane Carr was this giant heavyweight UFC fighter.

02:02:07.000 He's a former UFC interim heavyweight champion.

02:02:10.000 He's a gorilla.

02:02:11.000 And so his friend, like, that's the first person he called. 0.99

02:02:13.000 Imagine if someone tears through your house, rips your fucking refrigerator door off the wall, lays waste, like someone just fucking hulked out in your kitchen. 0.98

02:02:24.000 So he calls Shane up first, hey dude, um, did you rip my refrigerator door off? 0.98

02:02:29.000 And then there was another one that's true as well, it's real, where a bear got trapped in someone's car.

02:02:35.000 Somehow or another the bear opened the car door, which they've been known to do, if you leave it open. 0.99

02:02:39.000 Look at that, that's a bear trapped in the back of that fucking Subaru. 0.99

02:02:43.000 Poor guy. 1.00

02:02:44.000 I wonder how long he's in there for.

02:02:45.000 It's a good question.

02:02:46.000 I think they were walking by and they found him.

02:02:48.000 So what a bear does is they know, they figured out over time, that they can open car doors.

02:02:54.000 If they open up a car door, they watch someone open up a car door, like another bear, and then there's food in there, that's it.

02:02:59.000 From then on, they're opening car doors.

02:03:01.000 Right.

02:03:02.000 So when I was in Boulder, one of the people that lived in the town over from where I lived got their car broken into and the bear ate the inside of their car.

02:03:12.000 The bear, I mean, literally ate their seats, ate their dashboard.

02:03:15.000 God dang. 0.98

02:03:16.000 They're crazy. 1.00

02:03:17.000 That sucks. 1.00

02:03:18.000 So this bear is trapped in this guy's car. 0.98

02:03:21.000 This is 100% legit.

02:03:22.000 So he opens up the car door with his paws, climbs inside, and you know, like if a car is like at a kind of an angle, the door will close itself.

02:03:28.000 Sure.

02:03:29.000 Door closed itself.

02:03:30.000 He's like...

02:03:30.000 Just stuck in this car, just mangling it.

02:03:39.000 Look at it.

02:03:39.000 Look at the chair.

02:03:40.000 Torn apart. 0.95

02:03:41.000 Probably shitting all over the dashboard. 0.99

02:03:44.000 Look at him. 0.98

02:03:45.000 I wonder if they're insurance coverage.

02:03:48.000 I wonder if anybody's got a bow and arrow.

02:03:51.000 Time to make some bear sausage, son.

02:03:54.000 You gotta let him out. 1.00

02:03:56.000 I mean, that's fucked up to shoot an animal inside a car. 1.00

02:03:59.000 That's not fair, Chase. 0.99

02:04:00.000 I'm joking around, ladies and gentlemen. 0.99

02:04:01.000 I would definitely let him out, but I'd be fucking pissed. 0.97

02:04:03.000 Because this car is just shot. 0.98

02:04:06.000 It's mangled.

02:04:07.000 You can open up your trunk with a key with some people.

02:04:11.000 Is that what they did?

02:04:11.000 Did they open up the back and let him out?

02:04:14.000 What's happening here?

02:04:15.000 How come the hatch is open?

02:04:17.000 There he is.

02:04:17.000 He just ran off.

02:04:18.000 Yeah, he's running off.

02:04:19.000 That was a pretty decent sized bear.

02:04:22.000 What kind of damage do they do?

02:04:24.000 They seem pretty peaceful, man.

02:04:25.000 Bears always seem like they tend to run.

02:04:28.000 For sure. 0.98

02:04:28.000 Right until they kill you. 0.98

02:04:30.000 Yeah. 0.94

02:04:30.000 You say, oh, it's peaceful. 0.94

02:04:32.000 Oh, it's peaceful.

02:04:33.000 Do you know more people get killed by black bears than by grizzlies?

02:04:36.000 No, I did not.

02:04:37.000 It's weird.

02:04:38.000 Grizzlies, a lot of times, they kill you by accident. 1.00

02:04:40.000 Like, you stumble upon the mom and the cubs.

02:04:43.000 Right.

02:04:43.000 Black bears apparently will actively seek people sometimes when they're really desperate.

02:04:48.000 Oh my god, man, that is fucked. 0.99

02:04:50.000 There's a bear in my neighborhood, supposedly. 1.00

02:04:52.000 Nah, it's not.

02:04:52.000 The Pasadena bears are eating garbage and stuff.

02:04:54.000 They're having a good old time in swimming pools and shit. 1.00

02:04:56.000 You don't have to worry about them. 1.00

02:04:57.000 You gotta worry about predatory bears.

02:05:00.000 Like, there's a guy that I know, Steve Rinello, who hosts the show Meat Eater.

02:05:03.000 One of his friends took a guy out hunting for his very first time they were camping, and a 500-pound predatory black bear climbed in the tent and attacked him.

02:05:12.000 In the middle of the night and his friend shot the bear.

02:05:15.000 The bullet went through the bear and shot his friend in the wrist.

02:05:18.000 So he got shot and he got bit by a bear.

02:05:22.000 His first running trip.

02:05:24.000 Jesus Christ.

02:05:24.000 Broke his wrist.

02:05:25.000 Bullet shattered his wrist.

02:05:27.000 Went through the bear and shattered his wrist.

02:05:28.000 That's terrible.

02:05:29.000 Man, whenever you have those kinds of bad lucks land on top of each other like the balloon accident where like not only do you fall to your death but you're also on fire while you fall to your death.

02:05:39.000 17 people.

02:05:40.000 Terrible. 1.00

02:05:41.000 Fuck hot air balloons, dude. 1.00

02:05:43.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:05:43.000 Fuck being in the sky with fire and cloth. 1.00

02:05:45.000 Never! 1.00

02:05:46.000 What about a hard breeze? 1.00

02:05:47.000 What happens if this bitch gets hit by lightning? 1.00

02:05:49.000 Huh? 1.00

02:05:50.000 Never! 1.00

02:05:51.000 You fucking monkeys. 1.00

02:05:52.000 I watched the video of that guy jumping out of the plane yesterday. 1.00

02:05:54.000 Yes, I did.

02:05:55.000 That was insane!

02:05:56.000 Insane.

02:05:57.000 Tense.

02:05:57.000 Insane.

02:05:58.000 Insane.

02:05:59.000 And by the way, he didn't even hit it in the middle.

02:06:01.000 He hit the edge. 0.98

02:06:02.000 I mean, I'm sure it's a huge fucking net, but not huge enough. 0.98

02:06:06.000 Like, how are you judging that correctly when you're coming down at, who knows how fast he's coming down? 0.98

02:06:11.000 It seems like he lays there for a second, like he's stunned or something.

02:06:14.000 Well, he had to flip over before impact.

02:06:16.000 Jesus Christ.

02:06:16.000 He was practicing flipping over.

02:06:18.000 Wow.

02:06:18.000 Like, he had a, otherwise his face is going to get shredded, right?

02:06:21.000 He's got to land on his back.

02:06:23.000 So this guy's going down, and then right before he hits the bottom, he flips. 0.99

02:06:27.000 See, he's gotta, like, guide himself with his own fucking arms and hope that he doesn't splatter. 0.99

02:06:33.000 That's his GoPro, man. 0.99

02:06:35.000 I mean, how is he possibly gonna judge this?

02:06:38.000 I mean, he has some sort of a, uh, like a wingspan thing going on where his legs are spread.

02:06:44.000 Now watch this.

02:06:45.000 Jesus Christ.

02:06:45.000 He falls over.

02:06:46.000 He turns over right before the end and lands in the net. 1.00

02:06:50.000 What in the actual fuck? 0.99

02:06:51.000 Wow. 1.00

02:06:52.000 And everybody's applauding.

02:06:53.000 He lived!

02:06:55.000 He almost died, but he...

02:06:58.000 Look, it's Bobby Collins and Whippy Goldberg.

02:06:59.000 They're there.

02:07:00.000 They're both celebrating.

02:07:01.000 Wow.

02:07:01.000 He lived!

02:07:02.000 He almost died!

02:07:04.000 But he...

02:07:05.000 He's crying.

02:07:07.000 I did it, Mom. 1.00

02:07:08.000 This girl's got big tits. 1.00

02:07:10.000 Come here. 1.00

02:07:10.000 Take a look at these tits before... 1.00

02:07:12.000 Hey, this guy. 1.00

02:07:13.000 Look at his dick. 1.00

02:07:16.000 Why do they have these people? 1.00

02:07:18.000 Look at this.

02:07:18.000 We are here live on the scene.

02:07:21.000 He didn't die.

02:07:23.000 It's amazing.

02:07:24.000 This is the first time ever a person did this and lived.

02:07:29.000 We're so happy.

02:07:30.000 We're so happy we could broadcast this on television.

02:07:33.000 It's so important.

02:07:34.000 Look at this.

02:07:35.000 Yes!

02:07:36.000 We did it, dude.

02:07:37.000 We did it. 1.00

02:07:38.000 You crazy fuckers. 1.00

02:07:40.000 All of you. 1.00

02:07:41.000 Oh my god, because you know, if that shit didn't work out, if the net broke and for the rest of your life you have to remember what that looks like, just the explosion of guts and the sound that's gonna make when that thing hits the fucking tarmac. 1.00

02:07:57.000 His wife's like screaming or just a silent scream. 1.00

02:08:03.000 Just everyone, just PTSD. You're gonna have to go to a therapist to get that out of your head.

02:08:07.000 You're gonna wake up with the memory of that guy's body just exploding like a fucking watermelon in front of you. 0.97

02:08:14.000 What if the pressure of the situation, the gravity of the situation, the adrenaline rush and the g-force all combined made him stroke out like that Indian dude and he just never even bothered steering and went right into the crowd? 1.00

02:08:30.000 Like a human missile. 0.98

02:08:33.000 Just took out kids and fucking grandma crushed a Subaru. 1.00

02:08:37.000 Scraps a bloody Gatorade colored jumpsuit landing on your kid. 1.00

02:08:42.000 Imagine if you died because this guy hit the ground and his skull went flying through the air and hit you in the face and crushed your head. 0.82

02:08:51.000 You got your head crushed from his forehead.

02:08:53.000 Or even worse, you don't die.

02:08:55.000 You just get...

02:08:57.000 Amputated?

02:08:58.000 No, you just have neurological problems for the rest of your life.

02:09:01.000 Like someone who's in a car accident. 0.94

02:09:03.000 You go into a temporary coma, you come out, you shit yourself for the rest of your life, and people ask why. 0.99

02:09:09.000 It's like a skydiver's skull smashed into me. 1.00

02:09:13.000 Terrible, man. 1.00

02:09:15.000 Fuck, dude. 1.00

02:09:16.000 High-impact. 1.00

02:09:17.000 Avoid that.

02:09:18.000 What?

02:09:19.000 High-impact death?

02:09:20.000 High-impact.

02:09:21.000 Avoid that.

02:09:21.000 Don't jump out of those planes into nets.

02:09:24.000 Stop. 0.97

02:09:25.000 Are they gonna get fuckin' CTE from net falling? 0.91

02:09:29.000 Imagine if that becomes a new thing. 0.78

02:09:30.000 What's CTE? Like, what kind of- CTE? Chronic Traumatic Encephalicy, Encephalope.

02:09:36.000 Oh, wow.

02:09:36.000 It's brain damage that football players get.

02:09:38.000 I would imagine the jolt of going from space into a fuckin' net is considerable. 0.99

02:09:43.000 Yeah, sure. 0.99

02:09:44.000 Yeah, I would imagine that has an impact on your fucking... 0.99

02:09:46.000 It's not easy on your fucking body to fall out of a plane and anything. 0.99

02:09:50.000 It's definitely not what you... 1.00

02:09:52.000 By the way, man, speaking of, like, fucked up, like, sports accidents, and I know you get sick of talking about the UFC, but, dude, that fucking... 0.98

02:10:02.000 What's his name? 0.99

02:10:03.000 Cyborg?

02:10:04.000 What's the guy's name?

02:10:05.000 The guy who got his head crushed in.

02:10:09.000 Cyborg Santos.

02:10:10.000 There's a bunch of cyborgs.

02:10:11.000 There's two male cyborgs and one female cyborg.

02:10:14.000 Makes sense.

02:10:14.000 It's a cool word.

02:10:16.000 I was thinking, man.

02:10:19.000 That thing he did, the knee kick, flying knee kick, smashed the guy's head.

02:10:22.000 You don't ever say knee kick.

02:10:24.000 What do you say?

02:10:25.000 It's a knee.

02:10:25.000 Flying knee.

02:10:26.000 You don't say a knee kick.

02:10:27.000 Guys, listen to my voice.

02:10:29.000 Do I sound like I know a lot about the UFC? You took a little Muay Thai back in the day.

02:10:33.000 Well, my trainer taught me some, but anyway, the point is...

02:10:38.000 Is it possible?

02:10:40.000 You know, okay, basketball.

02:10:41.000 People are getting better at basketball, right?

02:10:44.000 Skateboarding.

02:10:44.000 People are getting better at skateboarding.

02:10:46.000 Right.

02:10:46.000 Is it possible that in the UFC, people are going to become so proficient at beating each other up that it...

02:10:55.000 There will be more of this type of awful accident happening where people just learn how to be powerful enough to crush a person's skull, where you just get better at it, man.

02:11:07.000 Like, if you look at like, and it's not a fair comparison because a skateboard requires a tool, but if you look at like early skateboarding videos to now and see how much it's evolved, And you know the UFC has the market pressure for these fighters to be the best ever because they become like world-renowned fighters and they make a lot of money.

02:11:27.000 So the pressure is there to evolve.

02:11:29.000 If you look at UFC 100 years from now, isn't it possible that fighters are going to get so good that it is no longer safe? 0.99

02:11:40.000 To do the UFC because they're just going to be strong enough to break someone's skull open with their fucking fists or with their knees? 0.98

02:11:47.000 Well, let me answer that. 0.99

02:11:48.000 First of all, it was a very unusual scenario where a guy was diving forward and the other guy was jumping forward with a knee.

02:11:56.000 Right.

02:11:56.000 And they combined in a perfect collision.

02:11:59.000 Right.

02:11:59.000 It's very unusual to happen that way.

02:12:01.000 It's happened before, though.

02:12:04.000 It does happen.

02:12:06.000 It can happen, but that was the most extreme version I've ever seen in my life.

02:12:11.000 In all my years of watching martial arts.

02:12:13.000 Watching martial arts, training in martial arts, seeing fights.

02:12:17.000 I don't know how many fights I've seen live, but it's got to be more than a thousand.

02:12:22.000 It's probably like 1500 or something like that, live.

02:12:25.000 I've never seen it once.

02:12:26.000 I only watched it once on TV. So guys have definitely gotten their nose broken, though, and they've definitely gotten their orbits broken.

02:12:33.000 The orbit broken, orbital?

02:12:35.000 Orbital bone is super common.

02:12:37.000 That's real common.

02:12:38.000 That happens all the time.

02:12:39.000 That happens like once a year.

02:12:40.000 I mean, in that sense, super common.

02:12:42.000 Maybe even more than that.

02:12:43.000 We don't hear about it.

02:12:44.000 Maybe there's small fractures.

02:12:46.000 But Misha Tate, the former women's bantamweight champion, she got her orbital bone broken in a fight. 0.88

02:12:52.000 Bob Sapp had his orbital bone broken in by Cro Cop.

02:12:56.000 I can name a bunch of them where guys have gotten their orbital broken.

02:12:58.000 It's really common.

02:13:00.000 So that's your face.

02:13:01.000 You're getting your face broke.

02:13:02.000 This is just a different version of it, and it was such an extreme impact.

02:13:06.000 Michael Venom Page, the guy who did it, is a sport karate champion.

02:13:10.000 And a really dynamic guy.

02:13:12.000 He's so fucking fast and his technique is so good.

02:13:17.000 His timing is so good. 0.94

02:13:18.000 He's a lifelong martial artist who was competing as a point karate guy.

02:13:23.000 And then he went from being a point karate guy to fighting in MMA. And he can hit guys in this crazy way.

02:13:29.000 Dives in and hits them and they can't hit him back.

02:13:31.000 And when they're running at him, he counters them brilliantly.

02:13:33.000 And that's what he did in this fight.

02:13:35.000 Cyborg, who's...

02:13:36.000 Talented guy who's been around a long time.

02:13:38.000 He's really experienced.

02:13:39.000 He's fought in Strikeforce.

02:13:41.000 He fought in the UFC. Did he fight in the UFC? I feel like he did.

02:13:44.000 I'm almost positive he did.

02:13:47.000 Google that, though, please.

02:13:48.000 Because I know he fought in Strikeforce.

02:13:49.000 He had an epic fight with Nick Diaz in Strikeforce and Jordan Meehan in Strikeforce.

02:13:54.000 Epic, epic fights.

02:13:55.000 So he's a real veteran.

02:13:57.000 And to have this happen to him is even more impressive.

02:14:00.000 It just shows you how good this page kit is.

02:14:02.000 But it's so unusual the way it happened.

02:14:05.000 I've never seen it like that before where a guy just charged in and the other guy didn't just hit him with the knee but jumped in.

02:14:11.000 At him.

02:14:12.000 So you would have to have Michael Venom Page's athleticism, technique, experience, lifelong martial artist, perfect timing.

02:14:20.000 And then also, fight intelligence.

02:14:23.000 Like, he had the intelligence to choose that weapon.

02:14:25.000 He has a full arsenal of techniques.

02:14:27.000 He knew that that would be the most effective blow to land in that moment.

02:14:30.000 So all his lifelong experience of competing as a martial artist led to that moment.

02:14:34.000 So it was a perfect storm for Cyborg's head.

02:14:37.000 The wrong thing at the wrong time.

02:14:40.000 And it can always happen.

02:14:42.000 Just like Dale Earnhardt Jr. died in a car accident.

02:14:45.000 It can happen.

02:14:47.000 Even the great ones can get really badly hurt.

02:14:51.000 But...

02:14:52.000 But you could see it like...

02:14:54.000 I mean, I'm sure you've seen it over those 1,500 fights you've seen.

02:14:57.000 Haven't you seen an evolution in the fighting styles?

02:15:02.000 Yes, but on both sides.

02:15:03.000 The other thing is, I've seen an evolution in people's defense, too.

02:15:06.000 There's guys like Mighty Mouse, who barely get hit.

02:15:09.000 You know, and he's beating guys up, but occasionally you'll get a guy who is like an elite guy, and another guy's an elite guy, and they almost cancel each other out.

02:15:16.000 People get mad.

02:15:17.000 People get mad because there's not enough action, because they're both too smart, and they kind of like canceling each other.

02:15:22.000 That does happen.

02:15:23.000 That happens in fights.

02:15:25.000 So I just think that everybody is definitely getting better, but their defense is getting better as well.

02:15:29.000 And it's just, it's a sport where it's so chaotic and anyone can win by knockout if they connect.

02:15:35.000 And everyone is so fast and everyone has so much technique that the best guys can knock out the best guys.

02:15:42.000 We saw it this weekend. 0.99

02:15:43.000 Matt Brown, who is like one of the top UFC welterweights in the world, he's a fucking animal. 0.98

02:15:48.000 Savage, one of my favorite fighters ever, fought this kid named Jake Ellenberg. 0.95

02:15:52.000 Jake Ellenberger is a very talented guy who's had ups and downs, but he's lost a bunch of fights recently to top-level guys.

02:15:59.000 And this was his last chance in the UFC. They gave him a last chance.

02:16:03.000 They said, you know, they were going to cut him.

02:16:05.000 He said, just give me one more fight. 0.95

02:16:06.000 And they said, okay, we're going to give you Matt Brown, who's a demon.

02:16:09.000 And he's like, okay.

02:16:10.000 So he went in and knocked out Matt Brown the first round.

02:16:13.000 But it was crazy.

02:16:14.000 It was a crazy, chaos-filled fight. 0.86

02:16:18.000 He blasted him with a right hand and kicked him in the body with a liver kick and put him away. 0.69

02:16:22.000 It was a madness fight.

02:16:24.000 And Matt Brown was even coming back after getting hit with the first big punch.

02:16:27.000 But my point is, on any given night, one of these guys connects and they can knock out the other guy.

02:16:34.000 They can both do it.

02:16:35.000 Matt Brown easily could have knocked out Ellen Berger.

02:16:37.000 Easily could have connected.

02:16:40.000 It's possible for all these guys.

02:16:44.000 To knock each other out.

02:16:46.000 So it's a nutty sport, man.

02:16:49.000 No, I get it.

02:16:49.000 They're definitely getting better at it, but they're all getting better.

02:16:53.000 So it's harder to hit them clean.

02:16:54.000 Right.

02:16:55.000 And they're better at delivering shots. 0.88

02:16:56.000 Well, if one person gets better, then everyone's going to adapt to come up with some defense for whatever the thing is that person's gotten better at, I guess.

02:17:05.000 But they learn the techniques.

02:17:06.000 They learn the techniques and they understand when they're coming.

02:17:08.000 But if you had to predict, like if someone's like, if you had to predict five years from now, If you've seen a kind of evolution in the fighting styles, then you've seen something that maybe you can prognosticate in five years,

02:17:24.000 what do you think it's going to look like?

02:17:26.000 How will it be different?

02:17:28.000 How will the UFC change over time if mixed martial arts is an evolving sport?

02:17:34.000 Well, we already know pretty much...

02:17:37.000 I'd say there's always room for new stuff.

02:17:41.000 It's always possible that new stuff comes out.

02:17:43.000 But I would comfortably say we know at least 95% of all the striking options.

02:17:48.000 We're pretty well versed in what a person can do with their bones.

02:17:52.000 And I'm being real conservative when I say 95%.

02:17:54.000 It's probably closer to 99%.

02:17:56.000 But every now and then, someone will do something crazy.

02:17:58.000 Like this guy, I don't know the name of the organization, but just knocked some guy out with an axe kick the other day.

02:18:03.000 And somebody sent it to me, and I was like, ooh, see if you can find that.

02:18:06.000 Axe kick KO in MMA. It's real recent.

02:18:07.000 This is the first time I've seen that in a televised MMA bout.

02:18:11.000 But I saw it a gang of times in Taekwondo tournaments, and I witnessed it firsthand with a very good friend of mine who got knocked out horribly by an axe kick.

02:18:19.000 So I know that axe kicks are real dangerous if a guy's good at them, but you have to have elite flexibility and speed, and you have to know how to land it.

02:18:26.000 And so that was a new one that up until this year, I don't think anybody knocked anybody out with one before.

02:18:33.000 There was a guy named Adlon Amagov who was fighting in Strikeforce, and he fought in the UFC for a little bit, but he got real religious, and he decided to quit fighting.

02:18:41.000 But I think he might have fucked somebody up with an axe kick once. 0.88

02:18:44.000 He had nasty, nasty kicks. 0.94

02:18:47.000 But the point is, that might have been the last of the Mohicans, as far as new techniques that you're going to see people do. 0.88

02:18:53.000 Pretty much everything, round kicks, side kicks, front kicks, we already seen all those.

02:18:58.000 We already know they exist.

02:18:59.000 So that's pretty much covered.

02:19:01.000 What people are getting better at is their ability to deliver those techniques in a fluid form that's imperceptible for the person who's trying to anticipate the movements.

02:19:12.000 So when someone is attacking you, what it's like is, say if you were a really dumb guy and you were in a debate with Christopher Hitchens about something that you really shouldn't have been debating her about. 0.98

02:19:23.000 Like, you really don't know the subject very well, and you're talking shit, and he just starts with his... 0.98

02:19:28.000 He's clinking his whiskey glass around and touching it with his fingers and just demolishes you on real time with Bill Maher, right? 0.99

02:19:35.000 Yes.

02:19:36.000 You know what I mean?

02:19:36.000 I mean, like, that's what Christopher Hitchens could do to any of us.

02:19:38.000 It's so fun to watch him do that, too, man.

02:19:41.000 Oh, and terrifying, because you think, oh my God, what if it was me?

02:19:43.000 What if I got up there to talk about the Iraq War? 0.99

02:19:45.000 I don't know what the fuck I was talking about. 0.99

02:19:47.000 He just buried me. 1.00

02:19:48.000 Did you ever see when he buried most deaf?

02:19:51.000 No.

02:19:51.000 Oh, he...

02:19:52.000 Buried him.

02:19:53.000 Most Def was asking questions about Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

02:19:56.000 He didn't know the difference between Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

02:19:58.000 I don't either.

02:20:00.000 And Most Def was talking about it and Christopher Hitchens just decided he was annoying and just distressed him.

02:20:07.000 Just undressed him publicly.

02:20:10.000 Dressed him down, is that the word?

02:20:11.000 How's the expression?

02:20:12.000 I would almost rather get dragged off by a tiger. 0.99

02:20:16.000 Than have Hitchens destroy me on fucking Bill Maher. 1.00

02:20:20.000 You're so ruthless about it. 1.00

02:20:21.000 I would become a monk.

02:20:22.000 If that happened, I'd be like, well, I'm just going away.

02:20:25.000 I'm going to find a little monastery and just shave my head and say goodbye to the universe.

02:20:30.000 There's some guys that can destroy you, but you almost feel like they're letting you off the hook.

02:20:36.000 Like Sam Harris.

02:20:38.000 Sam Harris destroys people in a very calm way, and he doesn't insult them.

02:20:41.000 Right. 0.99

02:20:42.000 But he does it very logically, but he lets you know that he thinks you're retarded. 0.97

02:20:46.000 Right. 0.77

02:20:47.000 He wouldn't use those words, but I do.

02:20:48.000 But Hitchens shows utter disdain for you while he's scoring on you.

02:20:53.000 Harris seems like there's the hope.

02:20:56.000 Hitchens is pissed.

02:20:58.000 Harris, it feels more like at least there's the hope that he's going to bring you to his side.

02:21:03.000 There's something compassionate in it.

02:21:06.000 But yeah, Hitchens is like, yeah, Hitchens is like, well...

02:21:09.000 You just...

02:21:10.000 I might as well... 1.00

02:21:11.000 You can be part of the genocide that I want to have happen to idiots of the world. 1.00

02:21:16.000 And it's a really intense thing to watch, man. 1.00

02:21:20.000 He must have just constantly read.

02:21:23.000 Like, that guy must have just...

02:21:25.000 Woken up in the morning and just started reading for hours.

02:21:29.000 It was definitely not just smart, but also well-read.

02:21:33.000 We all know people that are very smart, but they don't read that much.

02:21:37.000 He was all of the above.

02:21:39.000 Smart, well-read, and did a lot of debating, and had a lot of conversations with really smart people, which is a big part of it as well.

02:21:45.000 And we're very lucky that we get to listen to those, because that's kind of like having those conversations.

02:21:52.000 Not in the sense that you're saying the words, but being privy to a conversation with a guy like Hitchens, like he's sitting there talking with Sam Harris or some religious leader or something like that, and the logical points that he makes, they're very enriching in a way that a lot of times school isn't even. 0.99

02:22:08.000 A lot of times your professor is a fucking incompetent cunt that got that job because he sucked the right dicks and now he's got tenure. 1.00

02:22:15.000 There's a lot of those shitty professors, man. 1.00

02:22:17.000 There's a lot of those. 1.00

02:22:18.000 There's a Hitchens video.

02:22:20.000 Did you see the one where he talks about what a monster Saddam Hussein was?

02:22:23.000 Have you seen that one? 0.51

02:22:24.000 He was genius.

02:22:27.000 And he was right.

02:22:28.000 He was our monster, though. 0.90

02:22:30.000 Saddam Hussein? 0.99

02:22:31.000 Yeah, he was our monster.

02:22:32.000 We helped that guy. 0.96

02:22:35.000 But his sons were even scarier.

02:22:36.000 Have you ever read some of the things that his sons did?

02:22:39.000 I can't remember.

02:22:40.000 His sons were like Ramsay Bolton from the Game of Thrones, but for real.

02:22:43.000 They fed women to dogs. 0.99

02:22:45.000 They would take a woman, they would take her from her bridal party, rape her, kill her husband, or throw her husband in jail, rape her, and then feed her to their dogs. 1.00

02:22:56.000 And they did this more than once. 1.00

02:23:01.000 Goddamn, man. 0.99

02:23:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:23:02.000 Well, this is what we were talking about when we were talking about, like, North Korea. 0.99

02:23:05.000 By the way, I don't know that this happened.

02:23:07.000 I wasn't there.

02:23:08.000 This is what I heard.

02:23:11.000 This is what...

02:23:11.000 You can read it online.

02:23:13.000 That's what everybody has said.

02:23:14.000 It's pretty much agreed that he did it.

02:23:16.000 But again, like I was criticizing you earlier, I totally could be completely wrong.

02:23:20.000 But this guy, if they did do it, I'm pretty sure they did, or something like it.

02:23:24.000 They didn't do awesome stuff.

02:23:25.000 That was not that long ago, man.

02:23:27.000 They probably did some awesome stuff.

02:23:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:31.000 Like, I bet it wasn't all feeding girls to dogs.

02:23:33.000 I bet it was. 1.00

02:23:33.000 I bet they were complete, total sociopaths and psychopaths from the womb. 1.00

02:23:38.000 Their dad was a murderous dictator. 1.00

02:23:40.000 He raised them, and I bet he raised them to be fucking monsters. 1.00

02:23:44.000 You know he wrote a romance book. 1.00

02:23:46.000 Who did?

02:23:46.000 Saddam?

02:23:46.000 Saddam Hussein.

02:23:47.000 Did you ever jerk off to it? 0.99

02:23:48.000 I haven't read it yet. 0.93

02:23:49.000 I think they're releasing it soon.

02:23:50.000 Look at it.

02:23:51.000 He wrote like a real romantic piece of fiction. 0.96

02:23:55.000 I mean, by the way, I'm not saying that Usain or Bolt or whatever the fuck is weird. 0.89

02:24:00.000 Uday and Kusei. 0.82

02:24:01.000 Uday and Kusei.

02:24:03.000 I think? 0.94

02:24:05.000 It is so fucking terrible when you realize that even the worst people Still have something good about them. 0.97

02:24:14.000 That there isn't a complete monster out there. 0.99

02:24:18.000 Well, there's definitely complete monsters.

02:24:19.000 There have been for sure.

02:24:20.000 I think that inside...

02:24:22.000 You don't think Ed Gein?

02:24:24.000 The guy used to make lampshades out of women's skin?

02:24:28.000 Serial killer? 0.98

02:24:28.000 I think the monstrous part of being a human being is that no matter how fucking awful you are and no matter how terrible Now, this could be completely naive, and I'm sure there's exceptions, but mostly, 0.98

02:24:44.000 no matter how fucking awful you are, some little piece of you, inside of you, glimmering way down there, underneath all the fucking violence and murder, knows... 0.97

02:24:55.000 That you have the potential to be kind. 1.00

02:24:58.000 And it tortures you.

02:24:59.000 And I think that's inside every single person.

02:25:02.000 You can feel it in you all the time, no matter how good or how bad you are.

02:25:06.000 There's always that, like, you want to help.

02:25:09.000 There's always something in there. 0.99

02:25:10.000 Even fucking Dahmer. 1.00

02:25:13.000 Even the worst of the worst, man. 1.00

02:25:15.000 Somewhere in there.

02:25:16.000 It's in every single person.

02:25:18.000 I think it's what we are.

02:25:20.000 And the more separate you get from it, the more you start doing. 0.99

02:25:26.000 It starts with not putting your fucking shopping cart away at the grocery store. 0.99

02:25:31.000 The problem was we're talking about people that aren't broken. 0.99

02:25:34.000 There's people that, through whatever reason, through nature or nurture, there's people that have fuses broken, just like there's people that are born with leukemia, just like some people have cancer, just like some people have epilepsy, just like some people are born with disfigured arms. 0.94

02:25:47.000 Some people's brains are fucking wired wrong from the jump. 0.57

02:25:51.000 There's something wrong biologically with them. 1.00

02:25:53.000 Okay, sure.

02:25:54.000 Right?

02:25:54.000 Wouldn't we assume?

02:25:55.000 Yes, I totally agree that there are people whose fucking brains aren't working, but I don't think we're just our brains. 0.99

02:26:01.000 No, I mean, I don't think so either. 0.99

02:26:03.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:26:04.000 It's not an either-or.

02:26:06.000 It's not a nature or a nurture.

02:26:07.000 It's probably all kinds of stuff going on.

02:26:10.000 I mean, I think some people are most likely born with defective minds, right?

02:26:15.000 We all agree with that.

02:26:16.000 There's definitely people that have challenged learning disabilities, all sorts of issues, and dyslexia.

02:26:22.000 There's all sorts of things that we're absolutely aware of. 0.89

02:26:25.000 There's got to be, for sure, some shit that would lead a person to not understand when they're causing other people harm. 0.97

02:26:31.000 Right. 0.99

02:26:31.000 Or not care. 0.99

02:26:32.000 Or like it.

02:26:33.000 Right. 0.98

02:26:34.000 This is a sociopath, right?

02:26:36.000 See, I like to believe that, because, okay, and this is, you know, an infinite, never-ending argument.

02:26:43.000 Right.

02:26:43.000 Some people believe humans are meat robots.

02:26:47.000 Self-awareness comes from the sum total of all these different processes running at once, and now we have this awareness of the self, whatever that may be.

02:26:58.000 Some people think that there is an infinite Never-ending, undying pixel that a human has grown around, and that thing goes on forever.

02:27:11.000 And that thing is made of love, or for lack of a better word.

02:27:19.000 So the idea is, and I like to believe this idea, as crazy as it may sound, Anyone can be redeemed.

02:27:28.000 Redemption is possible for all humans living today. 0.99

02:27:32.000 There is a way to stop your forward momentum in the direction of selfishness and start moving in the direction of being a little bit less of a fucking prick. 0.99

02:27:42.000 I believe that. 0.97

02:27:43.000 Maybe people that have the inclination or they have the potential to be a psychopath if they were raised by kind and loving people would develop patterns of behavior that are consistent with civilization and with harmony and community. 0.91

02:27:56.000 Like maybe what you get when you get a psychopath is the combination of really shitty upbringing, child abuse, all sorts of awful verbal and emotional shit that happens to people and physical shit that happens to people when they're young and these traits. 0.89

02:28:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:28:10.000 And also maybe some of those traits are triggered by genes expressing themselves in time of great duress. 0.99

02:28:16.000 Yeah.

02:28:17.000 Which is one of the things I was talking about that I forgot earlier.

02:28:19.000 I started on it, but I never finished it.

02:28:21.000 I was talking about the people that came over on these boats, their gut biome. 0.98

02:28:25.000 If we're talking about someone who is on a boat for 60 days eating fucking beef jerky, and they come over here with scurvy, they're desperate, their fucking body's eating itself. 0.98

02:28:36.000 I mean, literally, their body's eating itself. 1.00

02:28:38.000 Your bones are fucking weak. 0.99

02:28:42.000 Your lack of vitamin C is causing you to get ill. 1.00

02:28:46.000 And then you land on this beach, and you're in an insane desperation mode, and you're already a piece of shit. 1.00

02:28:53.000 Right. 1.00

02:28:53.000 You're already a monster. 1.00

02:28:55.000 You're already some monster from Europe. 1.00

02:28:57.000 And you come over here with a fucking... 1.00

02:29:00.000 A free pass to wreak havoc. 1.00

02:29:02.000 These aren't even people. 0.99

02:29:03.000 Look, they're brown.

02:29:04.000 They don't look anything like us. 0.88

02:29:05.000 Right.

02:29:06.000 They get us gold.

02:29:07.000 Hey, get that gold.

02:29:08.000 How do you want me to get it?

02:29:09.000 Any way you can get it. 0.99

02:29:10.000 Okay, I'm going to just cut that dude's arm off until he gives me gold. 0.99

02:29:13.000 Right. 0.99

02:29:13.000 I mean, what? 0.99

02:29:15.000 This is all what we know happened, right?

02:29:17.000 Yeah.

02:29:18.000 When you're starving, I wonder if you really are a different person.

02:29:22.000 Like when you hear about people like the people that came over on the pass in Colorado, the Donner Party, wound up beating each other. 0.51

02:29:30.000 Because they fucking froze to death out there and they didn't know what to do and there was no food. 0.90

02:29:34.000 They just started eating each other. 0.99

02:29:36.000 What is the switch that goes off?

02:29:38.000 Who are you when that happens?

02:29:40.000 Are you even the same person?

02:29:41.000 Right.

02:29:42.000 If you really are, if your personality consists of this ecosystem that we call your body, which we know for a fact has all sorts of different stuff that's going on.

02:29:51.000 There's different stuff on your skin.

02:29:53.000 There's different stuff in your body.

02:29:55.000 There's all sorts of different bacteria that coexists with you and even exist in a symbiotic way, right?

02:30:02.000 Like you need all these things inside your body to consume the food.

02:30:05.000 It's part of your digestive system, right?

02:30:07.000 E. coli is a natural part of the human digestive tract, right?

02:30:10.000 It's all in there, right?

02:30:11.000 Yes.

02:30:12.000 What are you when you're starving? 1.00

02:30:16.000 Are you like some crazy wolf person? 0.96

02:30:18.000 What is a person like? 0.96

02:30:20.000 How scary is someone when they're a day from starving to death and they have a knife?

02:30:27.000 Well, man, I mean, this is the question of free will versus no free will.

02:30:32.000 You're saying if you get in a stressful situation, does some kind of mechanism of the swarms of organisms that make up yourself kick in where you no longer are capable of making decisions?

02:30:45.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:30:46.000 I mean, are you even you?

02:30:47.000 Absolutely.

02:30:48.000 I don't think it ever goes away.

02:30:51.000 And I think that you always have this weird autonomy that the universe will try to trick you into thinking isn't there.

02:31:01.000 And then suddenly you become a...

02:31:05.000 Now, of course, though, I think if you look at the judicial system, there is a form of murder where you don't...

02:31:13.000 Temporary insanity is what they call it, right? 0.99

02:31:15.000 So, you know, there's like people who temporarily have lost their fucking mind and stabbed someone to death. 0.99

02:31:22.000 They prove that in court. 0.99

02:31:23.000 And then in that case, you don't even go to jail. 1.00

02:31:26.000 You've killed someone because you were temporarily fucking insane. 0.98

02:31:29.000 But I don't know, man. 1.00

02:31:31.000 I think that mostly...

02:31:33.000 Mostly, if you really watch yourself, you realize that you're pretty much in control, man.

02:31:39.000 When I watch myself... 0.99

02:31:43.000 When I'm about to be an asshole, like if I'm about to do something because I'm hangry, as they call it, you're talking about the ultimate version of hangry, which is where you result to cannibalism. 0.99

02:31:52.000 Hungry and tired. 0.99

02:31:53.000 Yeah, hangry.

02:31:54.000 Hungry and angry.

02:31:55.000 Hungry and angry.

02:31:56.000 So like, yeah.

02:31:57.000 How do I get tired?

02:31:59.000 Where do I get hungry and tired?

02:32:01.000 That's hired.

02:32:02.000 Oh. 0.99

02:32:04.000 That's higher than a shitty job. 0.99

02:32:07.000 But if you look at yourself, even when you're having biochemical shit going down, and you're about to say something nasty to somebody, or do something nasty, usually you're like, I'm about to... 0.99

02:32:22.000 Like, do I give in to this horrible impulse? 0.98

02:32:24.000 Yes. 1.00

02:32:24.000 Do I just open my asshole up and spray? 1.00

02:32:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:32:29.000 Do I do it?

02:32:29.000 And then you do it.

02:32:31.000 Then you do it.

02:32:31.000 You say, you know what?

02:32:32.000 I'm gonna fucking spray. 0.99

02:32:33.000 And it's... 0.99

02:32:36.000 It's just like coming, too. 0.99

02:32:37.000 It's just like coming, because it's like, when you're about to come, if you want to, this thing, when you watch yourself about to have an orgasm, right, and you watch it build and build and build and build, and eventually it gets to a point where you're going to decide to come, or you can't control it, maybe, and you're going to fucking come, 0.97

02:32:52.000 but you can watch it build and build and build, but then when you come, the orgasm is like a mild seizure of joy. 0.96

02:32:59.000 Your body goes through these, like, Your entire body has a reaction, right? 0.99

02:33:07.000 So in the same way, when you start getting angry, It's just like when you're fucking about to come. 0.94

02:33:12.000 It's building and building and building. 0.97

02:33:14.000 And then you're like, you know what? 0.98

02:33:16.000 I'm gonna fucking tell this person how I really fucking feel today. 0.98

02:33:20.000 But you're angry and then all this weird seizure shit happens. 0.99

02:33:26.000 Stuff comes out of your mouth that you don't even mean. 0.98

02:33:28.000 It's like half real, half not real.

02:33:31.000 But you decide.

02:33:32.000 You decide when to squeeze the trigger.

02:33:35.000 It's not something that you don't have control of.

02:33:39.000 At least mostly.

02:33:40.000 And people who fool themselves into thinking that they don't have control, those are the ones who, I think, Relegate themselves into the world of being some kind of machine, some kind of like victim-y machine.

02:33:56.000 Right, but you know that's not really the free will argument, right?

02:33:59.000 You know the full free will argument, right?

02:34:01.000 I know some free will arguments.

02:34:03.000 The most compelling one, the determinism one, what's compelling about it is that it doesn't exonerate you from your decisions, but what it does say is essentially to think that you are somehow or another Separate from the influence of your life and that the influence of your life hasn't in some way Influenced the way you decide to act and behave and that a lot of those factors that led you influencing the way you act and behavior led to you changing the way you act

02:34:33.000 to behave are completely out of your control and Almost unavoidable in their impact And that these things shape you in some immeasurable way that you'll never be completely autonomous from.

02:34:46.000 You'll never be able to completely separate yourself from the influence of your genetics, of your life experiences, of your neighborhood, of your mom or your dad, your upbringing, the developmental period where you may or may not have been ignored or abused or all those factors play a part in how you decide to behave.

02:35:03.000 And even how you decide to deal with how you decide to behave.

02:35:07.000 Okay.

02:35:07.000 Even your own therapy.

02:35:09.000 Like if you decide, hey man, I'm tired of jizzing all over people with my asshole every time my temperature boils up at the end of the day. 1.00

02:35:16.000 I'm going to figure out how to not come home from a hard day's work at the factory and beat my wife. 1.00

02:35:20.000 Like even that is potentially determined by your past and not really you having free will to decide not to be a piece of shit anymore. 1.00

02:35:29.000 Okay. 1.00

02:35:29.000 Right. 1.00

02:35:31.000 By the way, this is not my theory.

02:35:33.000 This is more of a shitty explanation of what some people have argued.

02:35:39.000 And Harris argued it on the podcast.

02:35:43.000 I wouldn't say he's argued it.

02:35:44.000 I would say that he explained it in a very interesting way.

02:35:48.000 It's compelling.

02:35:49.000 And you have to think about it and take it into consideration when you use terms like free will.

02:35:53.000 Well, I would do, I mean, so it gets down to this point of decision, right?

02:35:59.000 So when I look at like a lot of the decisions that I make, they're spontaneous and they're not, I'm not sitting around thinking like, how am I going to turn my steering wheel at this moment as I'm on the interstate?

02:36:12.000 What mild adjustments am I going to make?

02:36:14.000 This is all just a kind of spontaneous thing that seems to be part of autopilot.

02:36:20.000 And I know a lot of people are running on autopilot.

02:36:23.000 In most of what they do.

02:36:25.000 But I still don't think that it negates free will.

02:36:30.000 It's like a...

02:36:31.000 You could think of your life as a boat.

02:36:34.000 And everyone's in a different shaped boat.

02:36:37.000 And the boat's been shaped by experience, genetics, gender...

02:36:42.000 What kind of boat?

02:36:43.000 Just from my vision.

02:36:45.000 What kind of boat am I in?

02:36:47.000 Yeah, what kind of boat? 0.99

02:36:49.000 My boat has a fucking... 1.00

02:36:52.000 Graying beard in one ball, brother. 1.00

02:36:58.000 Just trying to picture a fishing boat.

02:37:00.000 Are we in a cruise liner? 1.00

02:37:02.000 Let's just say it's a fucking... 0.99

02:37:03.000 For a lot of people, it ain't a cruise liner, right? 1.00

02:37:05.000 It's a raft. 0.97

02:37:05.000 For a lot of people, it's a raft that's built of different things that they've decided to grab out of the infinite world of phenomena and We're going to hammer together to create some kind of vessel, which is their reality tunnel that they're living in, and they're navigating this fucking raft. 0.97

02:37:22.000 So sure, some people, they might have a boat that is a little more cumbersome and a little more difficult to navigate through the never-ending string of decisions that you have to make if you exist inside of time.

02:37:37.000 Still, you can.

02:37:39.000 There's parts of that boat.

02:37:40.000 I guarantee it, man.

02:37:41.000 There's parts of your boat that you can revise.

02:37:44.000 You might not be able to change at all.

02:37:45.000 You're probably not going to be able to change your skin color. 0.99

02:37:49.000 You're not going to be able to change your...

02:37:50.000 yet. 0.99

02:37:51.000 People are certainly changing the gender of their fucking boats, you know? 0.97

02:37:55.000 People are doing that right now, and I think as technology continues to advance, We're going to find that we're more crisper. 0.95

02:38:02.000 I think we're going to find we're more and more able to actually change the structure of our boats according to our desire.

02:38:09.000 But if you really analyze what's going on in your life, you will see that you are actively making decisions from moment to moment.

02:38:19.000 And who's making the decision?

02:38:21.000 Well, I don't know.

02:38:22.000 Well, that's where it gets weird, right?

02:38:23.000 If you want to say it's your gut biome, if you want to say it's the end of a never-ending series of decisions made by a never-ending string of people...

02:38:30.000 But wait a minute.

02:38:31.000 Why does it have to be either or?

02:38:33.000 Isn't it all these things?

02:38:35.000 I think that's where the argument gets really weird because I think it's all these things.

02:38:39.000 Yeah.

02:38:39.000 It's life experiences and it's genetics and it's choices and it's consciousness and it's the willful expression of positive ideas enforcing them on your life and what is the motivation behind that?

02:38:52.000 Is it your past?

02:38:53.000 Is it what you've learned? 1.00

02:38:54.000 Is it a fucking inspirational YouTube video you watched this afternoon? 0.99

02:38:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:38:58.000 Who cares? 1.00

02:38:58.000 Whatever it is, it's a bunch of shit. 1.00

02:39:00.000 It's a bunch of shit going on all over the place. 1.00

02:39:02.000 And I think the idea of separating that is akin to the idea of separating us from all of the life that's on this planet. 0.99

02:39:10.000 I think we've done a weird thing with houses and clothes and cars.

02:39:14.000 We've done a weird thing where we're not touching the world anymore.

02:39:17.000 We're not touching it with our feet.

02:39:19.000 We're not touching it with our skin. 1.00

02:39:21.000 We're allergic to a bunch of shit. 0.99

02:39:23.000 We can't get anything on us. 1.00

02:39:25.000 We can't go anywhere near certain animals.

02:39:26.000 If they touch your skin, you get hives. 0.83

02:39:29.000 There's a bunch of stuff that we've done in separating ourselves from the natural world that's left us really fucking confused.

02:39:36.000 And I think one of those confusions lies in when we've created civilizations and cities.

02:39:41.000 We've lost our contact, our physical contact.

02:39:45.000 We don't have a physical contact.

02:39:47.000 The physical contact in nature is all playing through the bottom of your boots.

02:39:50.000 You're breathing it in still.

02:39:52.000 Do you occasionally touch it?

02:39:54.000 Yeah, you occasionally brush up against a tree.

02:39:56.000 But whatever influence these things have through each other in this insane network of interwoven root systems and mycelium and fungus and rotting leaves and animals all around you and all that stuff,

02:40:14.000 You get through a filter now.

02:40:16.000 All that stuff you get through your car window, all that stuff you get through your clothes...

02:40:20.000 Yeah, sure.

02:40:20.000 You're not in contact with that stuff anymore.

02:40:23.000 And by not being in contact with it, you forget that it has a message.

02:40:28.000 Like...

02:40:28.000 When you lay in the grass, just lay in the grass, just go somewhere and lay in the grass, it feels good.

02:40:34.000 It actually feels like the planet is like, like you're hugging someone.

02:40:39.000 When you hug someone, it feels good.

02:40:41.000 Sure.

02:40:41.000 It feels good to lay in a nice, as long as there's no bugs.

02:40:44.000 Cunty fucking ants might crawl up your asshole. 1.00

02:40:46.000 Feels good to temporary laying some grass. 1.00

02:40:49.000 Yeah, if you don't lay down in a fire ant hive and get fucked up by a bunch of bees. 0.99

02:40:53.000 Or bees. 1.00

02:40:54.000 By a bunch of bugs.

02:40:55.000 But I think that if you go into nature on a daily basis, like there was something that I... I read the other day that I tweeted about...

02:41:02.000 I forget what the university was.

02:41:05.000 They were literally saying that there is an argument that a certain amount of nature is like a vitamin.

02:41:13.000 Antidepressant.

02:41:14.000 Yeah.

02:41:14.000 Well, you get vitamin D from the sun, but there's a certain amount of...

02:41:19.000 Vitality.

02:41:20.000 A certain amount of positive, like, life force that you get from being in nature.

02:41:26.000 Makes sense, man.

02:41:27.000 I mean, I know that whenever I go out, I mean, just like anything, just like, I got plants now that I have to water.

02:41:33.000 Oh, so there's another thing I was going to talk to you about.

02:41:34.000 What?

02:41:34.000 I was going to ask you.

02:41:36.000 Do you think, if these scientists are correct, obviously they are, about this interconnection between plants and about how they communicate with each other and about how they even allocate resources to those that are in need, is it fucked up to keep plants? 0.96

02:41:50.000 Is it fucked up to keep something that you decide, no, you're going to leave in this box, man! 0.85

02:41:54.000 You're going to leave in this box right here! 0.98

02:41:56.000 Oh, it's round!

02:41:57.000 Just keep looking for the outside!

02:41:59.000 Keep spinning around!

02:42:01.000 Keep looking!

02:42:02.000 You know, you're not going to communicate with anybody else because there isn't anybody else.

02:42:05.000 It's just you. 0.99

02:42:06.000 It's just you, lonely and fucked up, sitting in this pot. 0.99

02:42:10.000 Or can they communicate through the air? 0.99

02:42:12.000 Are they communicating through the air?

02:42:13.000 And if it does, does it get through your windows? 0.99

02:42:15.000 Man, I got 7,000 things I gotta feel bad about before my fucking house plants land there. 0.99

02:42:21.000 But should you have plants in your house in a pot? 0.99

02:42:24.000 Should they all be outside?

02:42:25.000 I mean, if they're outside...

02:42:27.000 With their friends?

02:42:27.000 No problem, right?

02:42:29.000 If they're outside, you got a yard, and you dig a hole, and you put your plant in there, and you water it, and it grows, and it's a part of the whole system?

02:42:36.000 That's like a dog with a yard. 0.99

02:42:38.000 Otherwise, you got a German Shepherd, and you keep him in a fucking little tiny kitchen. 0.99

02:42:42.000 You've got them penned in there. 0.99

02:42:43.000 You ever do the thing where you start thinking about how funny the concept of inside and outside is?

02:42:49.000 You ever do that?

02:42:50.000 It's so funny because it's like, okay, in my house, I'm now inside.

02:42:55.000 Even though there's just like a layer of wood around me, I'm in some other place that's different than the outside.

02:43:02.000 Even though, you know, you're really...

02:43:04.000 There is no such thing as inside.

02:43:07.000 I'll tell you one better.

02:43:08.000 How about this?

02:43:09.000 How about the phrase, the great outdoors?

02:43:11.000 Right.

02:43:12.000 What?

02:43:12.000 You mean reality?

02:43:14.000 You mean the earth itself?

02:43:16.000 Like, it is odd to be an enthusiast of the world itself.

02:43:20.000 Yeah.

02:43:21.000 We spend so much time in these artificially created environments with air conditioning and neon light.

02:43:29.000 Is it neon?

02:43:30.000 Depends.

02:43:31.000 LCD light?

02:43:32.000 LCD now.

02:43:32.000 These days.

02:43:33.000 I think this is not LCD though.

02:43:35.000 Fluorescent.

02:43:35.000 Fluorescent, right?

02:43:36.000 That's what I'm looking for.

02:43:36.000 Neon.

02:43:37.000 Neon's like cigars.

02:43:40.000 Yeah.

02:43:41.000 But these artificial environments that we create, we're in them way more than we are on the outside.

02:43:47.000 So when we're actually in the outdoors, we can call ourselves, I'm an outdoorsman.

02:43:51.000 What do you like to do?

02:43:52.000 I like to do the great outdoors.

02:43:54.000 Yeah.

02:43:54.000 That's what I like, bro.

02:43:55.000 Sure.

02:43:55.000 I like to be in the great outdoors.

02:43:57.000 Yeah.

02:43:57.000 The great outdoors is instead of saying the world, nature.

02:44:03.000 I'm a nature enthusiast.

02:44:05.000 I love nature in all its forms, man, including...

02:44:08.000 Houses?

02:44:08.000 Virtual reality.

02:44:10.000 Not just being in a fucking house, Joe, but being inside another universe inside the house. 0.99

02:44:17.000 That is what I like. 1.00

02:44:20.000 And also, guess what?

02:44:21.000 Because a lot of anti-VR people, they're like, you'll forget about outside.

02:44:26.000 No. 0.98

02:44:26.000 I go outside, enjoy the sun, enjoy my shitty little garden. 0.98

02:44:32.000 Speaking of fucking cruelty to plants, God forbid you become one of my plants. 1.00

02:44:40.000 May you never be one of my plants. 0.99

02:44:42.000 But I still go out there and I try to keep them alive.

02:44:44.000 But man, VR is such a beautiful thing because it creates the same, almost the same sense of like, you know, like when you go in a big space and it feels good.

02:44:58.000 I don't know why, but it could be a shitty warehouse.

02:45:01.000 But if it's big, if you go into like an expansive plane, you're like, ah, it feels good. 0.80

02:45:07.000 I put pictures up from the Vatican.

02:45:09.000 I was in the Vatican last week, or two weeks ago, and I went to St. Peter's Basilica, and I put a bunch of photos of it on my Instagram feed.

02:45:15.000 Have you ever been to the Vatican?

02:45:16.000 Not yet.

02:45:17.000 You gotta go.

02:45:17.000 First of all, it is trippy psychedelic.

02:45:20.000 There's a giant pine cone, okay?

02:45:22.000 They have this huge courtyard with a huge pine cone, which represents the pineal gland, and these two peacocks that represent eternal life.

02:45:30.000 Peacocks, apparently, I took that photo.

02:45:33.000 Um, the, uh, the guide was super psyched when I knew what the pine cone meant.

02:45:38.000 His eyes lit up and I said, it represents the pineal gland, right?

02:45:41.000 And he's like, how do you know that?

02:45:42.000 And then we started talking about Christianity and its potential roots in psychedelic drugs and ancient Roman culture and how, you know, like the John Marco Allegro book, the sacred mushroom and the scroll where he thought that what Christianity was initially was a bunch of stories where they hid these psychedelic rituals in parables and Sure.

02:46:04.000 To hid it from the Romans.

02:46:05.000 Because when they were being conquered by the Romans, they didn't want them to know how magical the mushrooms were and that they were a connection to God.

02:46:12.000 And that the pineal gland, like I forget the actual chemical composition of DMT, or not DMT rather, but mushrooms, but what DMT is, dimethyltryptamine, is in some form, that's what happens to psychedelic mushrooms.

02:46:29.000 When you're taking psilocybin, I think it's like 4-Fox-4-Haloxy, and I know I'm butchering it, and dimethyltryptamine, but it's some version of dimethyltryptamine is produced when you consume psilocybin mushrooms.

02:46:43.000 So these guys knew that.

02:46:46.000 They knew that, and then it was a part of their art. 0.99

02:46:48.000 And it represented that pineal gland, this giant fucking 15-foot-tall pine cone. 0.99

02:46:56.000 Represented what they thought was the seat of the soul. 1.00

02:46:59.000 That's why it's sitting there in this fucking this gigantic tray being held up by angels and shit and whoever those saints were. 1.00

02:47:05.000 Seat of the soul, man. 1.00

02:47:07.000 See? 1.00

02:47:07.000 That's the fucking VR goggles for the soul. 1.00

02:47:10.000 That's what that is. 1.00

02:47:11.000 That's the way we peer into this dimension.

02:47:13.000 Look at the St. Peter's Basilica.

02:47:15.000 These photos, this is from something that they built in the 1600s.

02:47:21.000 They had no computers.

02:47:22.000 They had no power tools.

02:47:26.000 There's photos on my Instagram.

02:47:27.000 There it is.

02:47:28.000 So cool.

02:47:28.000 Dude, you're seeing it right now in a picture, and I'm telling you, it doesn't do it justice.

02:47:34.000 This thing's insane.

02:47:35.000 It took hundreds of years to fully complete.

02:47:38.000 And the size of it and the scale of it, it's mind-boggling.

02:47:42.000 There's one photo that I put where you can see the actual people in the background. 0.99

02:47:45.000 Look at the size of that fucking place. 0.99

02:47:48.000 And that is a small sliver of how big the place is. 0.99

02:47:51.000 I'm telling you, it's not doing it any justice.

02:47:54.000 It's perfect.

02:47:56.000 The artwork is staggering.

02:47:58.000 I mean, everybody talks about the Sistine Chapel. 0.98

02:48:01.000 The Sistine Chapel is pretty fucking beautiful. 0.87

02:48:03.000 I mean, without a doubt, it's a modern, I mean, not a modern, an amazing work of art. 0.99

02:48:09.000 But it ain't shit compared to St. Peter's Basilica. 0.96

02:48:12.000 Look at that. 0.98

02:48:13.000 It's the all-seeing eye.

02:48:15.000 Dude, that's the sunroof.

02:48:17.000 That's an eyeball.

02:48:18.000 Yeah, whatever it is.

02:48:19.000 Looking down.

02:48:20.000 No, look at that.

02:48:21.000 That's definitely an eyeball, man.

02:48:22.000 There's a bunch of people in the eyeball and they're angels.

02:48:24.000 There's angels got stuck in God's eyeball.

02:48:27.000 Couldn't that just be a light?

02:48:28.000 Isn't it possible it's just a light?

02:48:30.000 No, Joe, look right underneath that eye.

02:48:32.000 See that pyramid right under the eye? 1.00

02:48:33.000 Dude, how the fuck? 0.99

02:48:45.000 Wow. 1.00

02:48:55.000 Wow.

02:48:56.000 Isn't that amazing? 1.00

02:48:57.000 Dude, the Vatican is a mindfuck. 1.00

02:49:00.000 That floor is 1,700 years old and you walk on it. 1.00

02:49:04.000 Everybody walks on it.

02:49:05.000 Thousands of people a day walk on a 1,700-year-old mosaic floor.

02:49:09.000 Pretty cool, man. 0.91

02:49:10.000 That's where they say they've got all these hidden manuscripts and shit that no one's ever going to see. 0.85

02:49:16.000 That's what you would initially gravitate to, wouldn't you? 0.97

02:49:19.000 Of course.

02:49:19.000 Secrets.

02:49:20.000 The secrets.

02:49:21.000 Are you kidding?

02:49:21.000 The Vatican's filled with secrets, man.

02:49:23.000 Yeah, little boy secrets.

02:49:24.000 Not just that. 1.00

02:49:25.000 Lots of other shit, too, man. 0.99

02:49:27.000 They've been gathering information. 1.00

02:49:29.000 I mean, think about it.

02:49:30.000 It's like they've controlled so many world leaders who have done confessions. 1.00

02:49:35.000 And you think that the Vatican doesn't like when a world leader gives a confession, doesn't write that shit down, put it in the fucking library. 0.99

02:49:42.000 They probably have confessions of some of the greatest kings. 1.00

02:49:46.000 They knew everything, man.

02:49:49.000 It's the priest class.

02:49:51.000 You're freaking me out.

02:49:51.000 That's true.

02:49:52.000 You're freaking me out anyway.

02:49:54.000 I hope I am.

02:49:56.000 You should be, ma'am! 1.00

02:49:59.000 That's a fucking Vatican. 1.00

02:50:00.000 Think about what that is. 1.00

02:50:01.000 Well, they're a country.

02:50:02.000 Yeah, it's a country.

02:50:04.000 Yeah, it's a small country.

02:50:05.000 It's a hundred acre country. 1.00

02:50:07.000 Every time a Catholic puts money in a bowl, a little bit of that money makes it to that fucking place. 1.00

02:50:14.000 That's the nexus point of dough for one of the world's, one branch of the world's main religions. 1.00

02:50:22.000 That's a fucking, that's just all the money. 0.98

02:50:25.000 People who are like, just at the end of their fucking rope, people who have like $3,000 left in their bank account, but they're like, you know I'm gonna give this to the church because God will bless me. 1.00

02:50:35.000 They give that money to the church and that money goes straight to building a fucking shitty lightning-catching statue. 0.98

02:50:43.000 That's what all the money of people who desperately needed it for actual things has gotten sucked to the Vatican where it's used to build gold thrones that the Pope sits on and talks about the importance of charity. 0.99

02:50:59.000 It's hilarious.

02:51:03.000 Well, the new guy doesn't do it anymore.

02:51:05.000 The new guy doesn't do the throne.

02:51:06.000 He doesn't sit on the throne?

02:51:07.000 No, he doesn't.

02:51:07.000 A real chair.

02:51:08.000 Vatican Secret Archives.

02:51:10.000 Six of the most intriguing documents in church history.

02:51:14.000 Oh my God.

02:51:15.000 Documents from the Galileo heresy trial.

02:51:17.000 I'd throw that one out if I was the Catholic Church.

02:51:19.000 Let's forget about that.

02:51:20.000 Let's forget about that.

02:51:22.000 Tell me you wouldn't want to read that.

02:51:24.000 When they were telling him, hey dude, you're wrong. 0.99

02:51:26.000 The earth is the center of the fucking universe. 1.00

02:51:29.000 Now, either you want to stay in that attic for the rest of your life, like that serial killer lady. 1.00

02:51:35.000 Remember that lady? 0.99

02:51:36.000 Serial killer lady. 1.00

02:51:37.000 What was her name?

02:51:38.000 That killed all the young women. 1.00

02:51:40.000 Henry VII asking for a divorce.

02:51:42.000 An annulment.

02:51:43.000 A king has to ask your permission.

02:51:46.000 You've become so powerful.

02:51:47.000 Kings are like, can I please break up with my girlfriend?

02:51:50.000 That's Henry VIII. He was the one that chopped their heads off.

02:51:53.000 Right? 0.84

02:51:54.000 Yeah, that's the ultimate annulment.

02:51:56.000 That's when he got sick of sending letters. 0.98

02:51:58.000 How stupid is it that they still use VIII? We had a guess. 0.99

02:52:01.000 You know, you said the 7th and I said the 8th.

02:52:04.000 I had to count those little lines. 1.00

02:52:06.000 Oh, fuck! 1.00

02:52:06.000 That reminds me. 1.00

02:52:07.000 I'm sure you've already talked about this on the podcast and it's stupid. 1.00

02:52:10.000 So go ahead and call me stupid. 0.99

02:52:12.000 I'm sorry. 0.99

02:52:13.000 Don't preclaim things.

02:52:14.000 You know about the Berenstain Bears thing?

02:52:17.000 Yes.

02:52:17.000 Yeah.

02:52:18.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:52:18.000 Yeah, we've talked about it way, way back in the day. 1.00

02:52:21.000 Well, Vice had a whole article about it.

02:52:23.000 I didn't really remember it, so it wasn't that much of a revelation to me.

02:52:27.000 I don't think I read that when I was a kid.

02:52:28.000 I was more of a Dr. Seuss type kid.

02:52:31.000 I didn't understand that it was, everybody thought it was Steen, but it was Stain.

02:52:34.000 That's what I thought.

02:52:35.000 Yeah, I definitely thought that.

02:52:37.000 But the idea that some people remember that Nelson Mandela died in prison and some people think he got out.

02:52:43.000 That's the trippiest idea.

02:52:45.000 You know the Queen song, We Are the Champions?

02:52:48.000 Yeah.

02:52:48.000 Everybody think it ends with, of the world, but it doesn't.

02:52:53.000 It just ends.

02:52:54.000 And everybody tries to sing of the world, but it doesn't end that way.

02:52:58.000 Like, there's a funny thing that this guy does on YouTube, where he gets in a car, and he drives people around, they lip-sync, they sing along, like karaoke, rather, they sing along to songs, and they're singing along to the Queen song, We Are The Champions, and it gets to the end, and it's George, um, 0.97

02:53:13.000 what the fuck's his name, the actor?

02:53:15.000 George Clooney, um, Julia Roberts, and, uh, someone else. 0.99

02:53:19.000 I forget who the other person is.

02:53:20.000 And they're singing along, and it gets to the end, and they all want to say, of the world, and it doesn't say that. 0.99

02:53:27.000 And they're like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:53:28.000 And they're all confused. 1.00

02:53:29.000 And I thought it did too.

02:53:31.000 Everybody does.

02:53:32.000 It seems like there's a line that we all collectively decided was missing from that song.

02:53:38.000 Yeah. 0.93

02:53:38.000 It's a collective fuck up of memory. 0.93

02:53:41.000 Time traveler proof. 0.86

02:53:42.000 I wish we could play it, but we can't play it.

02:53:44.000 They'll yank us off YouTube.

02:53:45.000 But find the video.

02:53:46.000 See if you can find the video so we can tell people what video to watch.

02:53:50.000 Because it's hilarious watching George Clooney get to the end and want to say, of the world.

02:53:58.000 We are the champions, my friend. 0.99

02:54:02.000 What a bad motherfucker Freddie Mercury was. 0.99

02:54:04.000 You ever listen to Queen every now and again? 1.00

02:54:06.000 Oh, yeah.

02:54:06.000 Throw on some Queen?

02:54:07.000 It's insane.

02:54:09.000 Jesus, he was good.

02:54:10.000 Yeah.

02:54:10.000 He was so good.

02:54:11.000 So good.

02:54:12.000 Bohemian Rhapsody?

02:54:14.000 You play that and you're like, what?

02:54:15.000 What an amazing piece of expression.

02:54:19.000 He seems like he was one of the most disciplined people when it came to his work.

02:54:26.000 He seems like somebody who was constantly working on his voice, just a workaholic.

02:54:32.000 Maybe.

02:54:33.000 Maybe.

02:54:33.000 For sure, unbelievably talented and had an incredible knack for expressing himself.

02:54:39.000 I was listening to some NPR interview with a, I can't remember, she's a famous Broadway singer and she's talking about what she does every day.

02:54:45.000 And it's crazy.

02:54:47.000 Oh, to sing on Broadway?

02:54:48.000 Oh my God.

02:54:49.000 She's like, it's like three hours of physical exercise a day mixed in with an hour of meditation, mixed in with vocal exercises. 0.99

02:54:59.000 So it's like every single day she's doing like an eight hour prep for this shit that she's doing. 0.98

02:55:05.000 It's amazing when you... 0.99

02:55:07.000 Hear about people who are that disciplined.

02:55:09.000 Yeah, that's not good for us. 1.00

02:55:10.000 We can't do that shit, dude. 1.00

02:55:12.000 What? 1.00

02:55:12.000 Here it is. 1.00

02:55:12.000 This is them. 1.00

02:55:13.000 They get to the end.

02:55:14.000 Oh, it's Gwen Stefani was the other one.

02:55:16.000 We are the champions.

02:55:21.000 Okay, we can play it because it's not the music.

02:55:22.000 It's just them singing.

02:55:24.000 But we can't do it because it's their video.

02:55:26.000 They'll be mad too.

02:55:27.000 It's James Corden's show.

02:55:29.000 Who's James Corden?

02:55:29.000 The Late Show.

02:55:30.000 He took over for Craig Ferguson this past year, I think.

02:55:37.000 Here they go.

02:55:39.000 They get to the part at the end.

02:55:41.000 No, we don't have to see this.

02:55:43.000 I'm scared.

02:55:44.000 We're going to get yanked off YouTube.

02:55:46.000 There was a big thing that I tweeted today where some guy was talking about his audio book being on YouTube.

02:55:51.000 Oh yeah, I saw that.

02:55:52.000 Yeah, and this guy said that he sold 50,000 audiobooks, but there was like 19,000 views or something like that on YouTube. 0.99

02:56:00.000 And he was like, what in the fuck? 0.82

02:56:02.000 That's a giant chunk of the people that have listened to my book pirated it. 0.99

02:56:06.000 And he's like, hey, this is how I make a living.

02:56:09.000 I get paid for this stuff.

02:56:10.000 It's interesting because obviously YouTube has them up.

02:56:14.000 And they, you know, somehow or another someone puts it up there and they didn't get it down without a request.

02:56:20.000 Like, there's an algorithm that finds it.

02:56:22.000 You have to find it.

02:56:23.000 So, like, it's totally possible.

02:56:24.000 I'm sure a lot of your bits are up there somewhere where someone's put them up and they put them up on their channel.

02:56:28.000 You just don't know.

02:56:29.000 You mean from the podcast?

02:56:31.000 From podcast?

02:56:32.000 From stand-up?

02:56:32.000 Oh, yeah.

02:56:33.000 But imagine if you had a book and you made all your money.

02:56:36.000 If you're an author, you make all your money off the audio book or a big percentage, at least.

02:56:41.000 Can't they just claim...

02:56:42.000 Do a copyright claim?

02:56:43.000 It seems like you just get it off.

02:56:45.000 But those 19,000 views, he doesn't get.

02:56:49.000 Those are gone.

02:56:50.000 You know?

02:56:51.000 Right.

02:56:52.000 Like how many of those 19,000 views would have translated into him selling an audiobook is the real question.

02:56:57.000 That is the real question, if any.

02:56:59.000 And here's the real question for stand-ups, right?

02:57:01.000 The question is, when your bits make it on YouTube, like say if you do a Comedy Central special in particular, right, and then your bits make it on YouTube, the more people pirate your stuff, I don't know if you'd call it pirating, but the more they take it and they put it on YouTube, the more people are going to see you, the more people are going to come to see you,

02:57:17.000 the more it's going to be worth It to you to do another Comedy Central special, right?

02:57:22.000 So it becomes different for us because we kind of exist for the live shows.

02:57:27.000 Like the live show is the big, big part of what we do, right?

02:57:29.000 Yeah.

02:57:30.000 And anything that'll get more people to go to the live shows is like a better thing.

02:57:34.000 Yeah.

02:57:35.000 I would think so.

02:57:37.000 But not for an author. 0.99

02:57:38.000 For that guy, he feels like he got fucked. 0.97

02:57:42.000 Wasn't he saying that YouTube's culpable here? 0.98

02:57:46.000 YouTube's making money off of the thing in some indirect way?

02:57:50.000 And acting like they're not?

02:57:53.000 Who's the person who uploaded it?

02:57:57.000 Are they generating money from the thing?

02:57:59.000 Or did they just upload it because they love it?

02:58:01.000 That's a good question.

02:58:02.000 I don't know.

02:58:03.000 Yeah, that's where it gets weird.

02:58:05.000 I think in the article he was saying how with a lot of music now, thank God, when you upload it on your YouTube stream, they just get the profits from whatever you're advertising it.

02:58:17.000 And that's way better than what it used to be.

02:58:20.000 They need to upgrade the system so this guy gets the same deal he has with Audible anytime somebody listens to the Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that he deserves that for sure.

02:58:30.000 But here's my weirdness about all this.

02:58:33.000 You know, we were talking about language and the limitations of language and the eventuality of a virtual reality.

02:58:40.000 And I wonder how we're going to digest data and information in a virtual world.

02:58:47.000 Like, if people decide, like, what if you decide...

02:58:51.000 That you want to read books in a virtual world.

02:58:54.000 Yeah.

02:58:54.000 And that this is how you want to read books.

02:58:55.000 The way you want to read books is with your feet up on the couch in your mansion, in your virtual world, while all these girls around you, like, finger-bang themselves with high heels on and Queen's fat-bottom girls. 0.56

02:59:07.000 You make the rockin' world go around, plays in the background.

02:59:09.000 Sure.

02:59:09.000 And you get to sit down and read books in a virtual world.

02:59:11.000 Yeah.

02:59:12.000 What happens then?

02:59:13.000 Like, what happens when you're watching movies in a virtual world?

02:59:17.000 Well, that's probably... 1.00

02:59:18.000 That would be stupid. 0.99

02:59:19.000 Same as streaming. 1.00

02:59:20.000 I think the movies would exist.

02:59:22.000 I think movies in a virtual world, they're definitely coming, right?

02:59:25.000 And you're going to exist in the world.

02:59:27.000 You're not going to sit down and watch a movie.

02:59:28.000 Oh, no.

02:59:29.000 They have great theaters in VR now.

02:59:32.000 You can sit down, put on a movie, and watch it on a massive screen in VR. Don't you think...

02:59:40.000 Why do they do that?

02:59:40.000 Is there limitations in the medium where they can't have the movie play out in front of you?

02:59:45.000 Like if you went to see Jaws, right?

02:59:47.000 Oh, I don't know.

02:59:48.000 It's kind of nice to watch a movie floating in space.

02:59:52.000 I don't mind that.

02:59:53.000 There's an app called Virtual Desktop where you put on your VR goggles and suddenly your desktop is wrapped around you.

03:00:04.000 A giant screen?

03:00:05.000 A giant screen wrapped around you that you then can like...

03:00:09.000 Pull up any kind of movie you might want to watch and so you just like can sit in there and watch and if you look down You see space Yeah, that's it.

03:00:20.000 Virtual desktop.

03:00:21.000 Now, the problem with VR, when you look at that, the problem with VR, like people looking at it on the internet, is that you cannot convey how fucking cool it looks from looking at it that way.

03:00:33.000 Right.

03:00:33.000 Like, suddenly there's this massive thing in front of you.

03:00:38.000 Does space look real?

03:00:39.000 What?

03:00:39.000 Does space look real?

03:00:41.000 It looks...

03:00:43.000 Real enough?

03:00:44.000 Pretty.

03:00:44.000 I wouldn't say that...

03:00:45.000 I mean, I wouldn't say...

03:00:46.000 It doesn't look realistic.

03:00:47.000 I think there are probably some...

03:00:48.000 There's got to be by now some 360 videos that are actually from Hubble. 0.75

03:00:55.000 But it looks good enough where you're like, this is fucking incredible.

03:00:58.000 Well, what's the benefit of, like, they were just watching you play a video game. 0.86

03:01:02.000 What's the benefit of playing a video game on a screen in the virtual world instead of playing the video game in the virtual world?

03:01:08.000 Well, I think...

03:01:09.000 But honestly, in that case, I don't know. 0.99

03:01:11.000 Like, I started a game up in there and was just like, fuck this. 0.98

03:01:14.000 But do you see what I'm saying here? 0.98

03:01:15.000 Because, like, he's clicking menus and stuff.

03:01:17.000 He's using it like a computer.

03:01:19.000 Yeah, I think it's...

03:01:20.000 I don't know if the benefit is the right...

03:01:24.000 It's just badass to suddenly be completely immersed in a new environment doing whatever the work is that you want to do.

03:01:34.000 Though with virtual desktop, I just use it to watch documentaries.

03:01:40.000 About breeding?

03:01:41.000 Yeah.

03:01:41.000 But what I'm thinking is, like, would you rather, like, okay, like, there, perfect example.

03:01:45.000 You're looking at a screen, right?

03:01:46.000 Yeah.

03:01:46.000 Clearly a floating screen.

03:01:47.000 If you watch Jaws and that floating screen, that would not be as good as if you were sitting in your living room and you're looking down and you were on the boat with Roy Schreider.

03:01:54.000 And he's like, we're gonna need a bigger boat.

03:01:56.000 Oh, you mean, like, if there was, like, a VR Jaws?

03:01:58.000 Yes. 0.94

03:01:59.000 Oh, yeah, that'd be fucking cool. 0.69

03:02:00.000 It just doesn't exist yet. 0.82

03:02:01.000 Right, but that's what I'm saying, like...

03:02:03.000 That's gonna happen, right?

03:02:05.000 Of course.

03:02:05.000 Yeah, that'll definitely happen, for sure.

03:02:08.000 No question.

03:02:09.000 And when they do things like that, like, will you be able to enjoy other things in that world?

03:02:15.000 Like, will you be able to go into that world? 0.97

03:02:16.000 Like, here we're in the Swiss Alps, wherever the fuck we are, in a fake world. 0.69

03:02:19.000 Would you be able to go to this place and put on a podcast? 0.96

03:02:25.000 Like, would you be able to, like, look down at your phone, find the Duncan Trestle Family Hour, And start streaming it live on your phone while you're skiing down the side of the virtual hill.

03:02:36.000 Would you be able to do that?

03:02:37.000 Dude, you can already do that.

03:02:40.000 Yeah, look, I mean, look, man, this is like Rick and Morty's video game is accepting that you're in VR. Yeah, there's like...

03:02:52.000 There's all kinds of shit you could do in there. 0.99

03:02:54.000 Like, for example, man, there's a... 0.99

03:02:56.000 In one of these games called Fantastic Contraption, which is one of the most...

03:03:01.000 Dude, show split reality Fantastic Contraption.

03:03:04.000 If you looked at this, where people have managed to put up a green screen and interpolate the two videos so it looks like you're actually in the game, that's the close...

03:03:14.000 Show that Fantastic Contraption is this... 0.97

03:03:17.000 Everything in there is fucking psychedelic. 0.99

03:03:19.000 But check this out. 0.98

03:03:20.000 When you see people...

03:03:22.000 In the reality itself, yeah, there you go.

03:03:26.000 Whoa.

03:03:26.000 Watch what he does.

03:03:27.000 So this guy's walking around.

03:03:28.000 This is what he's seeing.

03:03:30.000 So what we're looking at, what he's seeing.

03:03:31.000 Is this going to, we're going to kicked off YouTube for this?

03:03:34.000 You don't need the audio.

03:03:35.000 No audio, please.

03:03:37.000 I'm worried.

03:03:38.000 So this guy's moving around, and while he's moving around, he's doing a bunch of stuff.

03:03:43.000 There's better videos than this one, though, for sure.

03:03:46.000 Well, just explain to the people that are listening what we're seeing.

03:03:49.000 Oh yeah, you're just seeing like in Fantastic Contraption...

03:03:52.000 What is that?

03:03:52.000 What is Fantastic Contraption?

03:03:54.000 You're in this like weird putting green and you have to build these amazing devices to...

03:03:59.000 the way... 0.99

03:04:00.000 unfortunately these videos you're not seeing the guy actually form the shit. 0.99

03:04:05.000 Like watch this. 0.99

03:04:07.000 What am I watching, Duncan?

03:04:08.000 A lot of people are listening.

03:04:09.000 Watch this.

03:04:10.000 Oh, sorry.

03:04:11.000 You're seeing...

03:04:11.000 Look at this.

03:04:12.000 Look at this.

03:04:12.000 You have to stretch out these tubes to build this weird device that then automates itself to try to...

03:04:21.000 I mean, honest to God, talking about it, you feel like a fucking... 0.98

03:04:24.000 You're listening to an eight-year-old talk about a drawing that they made. 0.99

03:04:27.000 Like, what are you talking about?

03:04:29.000 It's...

03:04:29.000 It's impossible to convey.

03:04:31.000 It's a game, and it's a game where this guy's moving.

03:04:34.000 He's got devices in his hand, and then devices move things in the virtual world.

03:04:39.000 He's holding on to these two, like, controllers.

03:04:42.000 But this is not a good example.

03:04:43.000 If you look up...

03:04:43.000 It doesn't matter.

03:04:44.000 It's still pretty fucking cool. 0.98

03:04:45.000 It's still pretty fucking cool. 0.97

03:04:46.000 Yeah.

03:04:47.000 You'll see it on Friday.

03:04:48.000 I'll show you.

03:04:48.000 I've got it.

03:04:48.000 Listen, what we need to talk about is porn.

03:04:51.000 What's that like, Duncan? 0.66

03:04:52.000 What's it like?

03:04:53.000 In this world.

03:04:54.000 What's it like?

03:04:55.000 So, um...

03:04:56.000 I mean, it's like... 0.86

03:04:59.000 I'll tell you something even better than porn, man. 0.88

03:05:02.000 Uh-oh.

03:05:04.000 Here's what's really cool about VR that I don't think a lot of people have caught on to.

03:05:08.000 Maybe a few of them have.

03:05:09.000 Because the porn, of course, is amazing. 0.99

03:05:14.000 If anything is going to drive VR, and I hope everything drives VR, it's going to be the fucking porn. 0.99

03:05:21.000 Because the porn that is shot for VR is... 1.00

03:05:28.000 Very, very close to experiencing having sex with someone, obviously, minus the body, right? 0.98

03:05:35.000 There's no body there. 0.74

03:05:36.000 There's no body there.

03:05:37.000 But it's amazing, and it's going to cause a lot of great and hilarious problems.

03:05:43.000 And I'm excited to hear The outrage that comes from the world when people start realizing that every single person on earth now has access, not just to, in a voyeuristic way, witnessing...

03:05:56.000 I'm telling you, man, that's... 1.00

03:06:01.000 Whoa, this girl's ass is insane. 1.00

03:06:02.000 And so she's right in front of you, but they're not doing a good job of this because it's got two eyeballs. 1.00

03:06:07.000 Well, that's just how it...

03:06:09.000 Yeah, you have to use virtual desktop to bring those two things together.

03:06:13.000 Like, the porn that you download is broken up and stereoscopic.

03:06:18.000 So the VR goggles bring it together.

03:06:21.000 So you have to get specific programs that are designed for this, right?

03:06:27.000 Yeah, just Google search Reddit, how not to watch VR porn. 0.91

03:06:32.000 So these guys that are watching it, we're watching this guy who's sitting on this bed, and he looks like he's doing everything to keep from coming in his pants. 0.93

03:06:38.000 He's laughing. 0.97

03:06:39.000 I don't ever watch porn like that. 0.96

03:06:41.000 There's sheer joy in him watching that porn.

03:06:45.000 What you're talking about is something that's very different than watching a two-dimensional screen.

03:06:49.000 It's as different as sex and watching a two-dimensional screen, except there's no body there.

03:06:56.000 I mean, you can look around.

03:07:01.000 For example, let's say there was a... 0.99

03:07:04.000 And by the way, I'm not doing this shit. 0.99

03:07:06.000 A friend of mine watches it. 0.99

03:07:08.000 But let's say...

03:07:09.000 Let's say that there was a... 1.00

03:07:11.000 In a VR porn experience, there's a girl who's giving you a blowjob while another girl is shoving her pussy in your face. 1.00

03:07:22.000 You can actually look up And see her pussy. 1.00

03:07:25.000 Not her pussy. 1.00

03:07:26.000 You can look around her pussy and see her face looking down at you. 1.00

03:07:31.000 Just like it was really happening. 1.00

03:07:33.000 So that's VR porn.

03:07:35.000 That's what it's like.

03:07:36.000 So wait a minute. 1.00

03:07:36.000 You can look at her pussy and then you can go back to the other girl sucking your dick. 1.00

03:07:39.000 You can move anywhere. 1.00

03:07:41.000 You can stare at her feet if you're a weirdo.

03:07:43.000 Or not.

03:07:44.000 If you just were a fan of feet.

03:07:47.000 Either way, it's a game changer.

03:07:52.000 It's a game changer, man.

03:07:53.000 It's a game changer, and it's one of the many freedoms that virtual reality is offering people.

03:07:58.000 It's like you were saying, even just watching a movie in 2D, In your virtual reality room, it's pretty awesome.

03:08:07.000 Maybe you don't have the greatest apartment, right?

03:08:10.000 But you put on VR goggles, and suddenly your apartment is transformed into a massive, beautiful space.

03:08:20.000 In the HTC Vive, it comes with VR home, and there's two different versions, but when you go into this space, You feel that same sense of expansiveness that you get from being in a big space.

03:08:34.000 Your body still feels like it's...

03:08:37.000 You still feel that weird sense of freedom that you feel when you're in a big space and you're not there.

03:08:45.000 It's beautiful, man.

03:08:47.000 It's one of the most liberating, incredible technologies. 0.98

03:08:51.000 I think that some people are giving it a little bit of a hard time right now because they see the game From YouTube, and they think, those graphics look like shit. 0.93

03:09:01.000 But let me tell you, man, do Minecraft and VR. Like, I just, I did Minecraft and VR. I play Minecraft and VR regularly now. 0.96

03:09:10.000 But you do Minecraft and VR, and when suddenly you're perched on the edge of a cliff, looking down on some hyper-colored underground river, Your body initially reacts in the same way it reacts to being at the edge of a real cliff.

03:09:27.000 Your balance gets weird. 1.00

03:09:28.000 You're like, fuck, fuck, fuck! 1.00

03:09:30.000 It's that real. 1.00

03:09:31.000 That's the vibe.

03:09:32.000 The HTC Vive is...

03:09:35.000 In. 0.99

03:09:36.000 Fucking. 0.99

03:09:37.000 Sane. 1.00

03:09:37.000 Jesus. 1.00

03:09:38.000 I can't wait to show you, man.

03:09:39.000 It's like, it just works.

03:09:41.000 It doesn't mess up.

03:09:43.000 Like, anytime I want to now, I can go.

03:09:46.000 Like, I've made a room in my house where now I can just put on these goggles and I'm instantly in. 1.00

03:09:52.000 Oh, fucking. 0.98

03:09:53.000 There's a game called Hover Junkers, which is so fun. 1.00

03:09:57.000 What is it?

03:09:57.000 So you, um...

03:10:00.000 You could probably pull it up.

03:10:02.000 You ride around.

03:10:03.000 It knows how big the space is, what's called your play space.

03:10:07.000 It knows how big it is.

03:10:08.000 So you're riding in a craft in this play space, shooting weapons at people, flying around in these other things.

03:10:17.000 So you could all go in your garage.

03:10:21.000 And the garage would become the environment where you're playing your game?

03:10:25.000 Oh, yeah, man.

03:10:26.000 You're not in your garage anymore. 1.00

03:10:28.000 You're flying around on that fucking thing shooting at people, which means you actually have to be good at shooting. 1.00

03:10:33.000 You have to be able to aim. 0.99

03:10:35.000 This isn't like pressing buttons.

03:10:37.000 You need to know how to fire at least some...

03:10:39.000 What are you holding?

03:10:41.000 Are you holding a fake gun? 0.99

03:10:42.000 No, you're holding these controllers that feel exactly like a fucking... 0.99

03:10:45.000 They feel very close to a gun. 0.99

03:10:46.000 And it's got haptic technology, so when you're shooting, it's vibrating.

03:10:51.000 I wonder if this would actually teach you how to shoot better.

03:10:54.000 They have a great archery program.

03:10:56.000 Is it making your archery better?

03:10:59.000 It's making me not do archery, because I just do it.

03:11:03.000 It's way easier.

03:11:04.000 Are you good at it?

03:11:05.000 Are you good at this archery?

03:11:06.000 Yeah, me doing real archery definitely translated into me playing.

03:11:11.000 Look up the...

03:11:12.000 I'm sorry to keep asking you to look up stuff, Jamie.

03:11:14.000 Look up Archery The Lab VR. This is one of my favorite archery programs.

03:11:20.000 They also have VR Boxing, which I haven't tried yet, which I'm excited about because that seems like you could really train people to learn how to box.

03:11:32.000 Let's see.

03:11:33.000 I don't know if this is...

03:11:34.000 Yeah, that's a different archery program than the one that...

03:11:40.000 Look up the Lab... 0.99

03:11:43.000 Fuck, it's Valve. 1.00

03:11:46.000 Look up Valve Archery VR. Oh, there it is. 1.00

03:11:50.000 Yeah, this one's really fucking fun, man. 0.99

03:11:52.000 Yeah, this one is fucking cool. 1.00

03:11:55.000 You just shoot at these little guys who are trying to infiltrate your key. 1.00

03:11:58.000 Whoa! 0.94

03:11:59.000 So you're shooting at things.

03:12:01.000 Yeah, and it's so fun.

03:12:03.000 It's a game.

03:12:03.000 Yeah.

03:12:03.000 Oh my god.

03:12:04.000 Are you pulling a bow back?

03:12:06.000 Like, what are you doing in your hands?

03:12:07.000 So you have two controllers.

03:12:08.000 You're pulling them back.

03:12:09.000 There's haptic, so it vibrates according to the tension of the bowstring.

03:12:14.000 And then when you want an arrow, you're reaching behind your back and pulling it from behind your back.

03:12:18.000 That is nuts, man.

03:12:20.000 Yeah, it's so fun.

03:12:21.000 I wonder if it actually could help your archery skills.

03:12:24.000 For sure.

03:12:24.000 The only problem is, it's really weird because you get used to like...

03:12:28.000 It's different because you use a compound bow, but you know you get...

03:12:31.000 No, it's kind of the same.

03:12:32.000 You get used to...

03:12:32.000 Like I have a place on my cheek where I put my thumb.

03:12:36.000 The anchor point changes because the goggles fuck up your...

03:12:39.000 So you have to get used to a new anchor point. 0.96

03:12:41.000 But it's still pretty fucking fun. 0.93

03:12:43.000 I mean, how often do you get to shoot at things in an archery range like this? 0.98

03:12:49.000 Yeah, this is wild.

03:12:50.000 And I wonder, I mean, they should definitely be able to do something like this for compound bows.

03:12:55.000 Oh yeah, definitely.

03:12:56.000 I'd say go deer hunting with it.

03:12:57.000 There's another archery program that you can get on Steam that looks pretty cool.

03:13:02.000 I can't remember the name of it, though, but it looks a little bit more, I guess, realistic.

03:13:07.000 Well, they have an archery program.

03:13:08.000 See if you can find this archery program where you shoot at a virtual screen.

03:13:12.000 You actually shoot a real bow at these images on a screen.

03:13:17.000 And you go in front of a giant movie theater type thing.

03:13:22.000 And you stand in front of this thing and these animals walk by.

03:13:24.000 Oh, that's cool.

03:13:25.000 And they run from you and they hide. 0.92

03:13:27.000 And you've got to sneak up on them and shoot arrows at them.

03:13:29.000 I mean, I'm sure this will be translated into VR. And I'll tell you, Joe, if I were you, man, I would be developing shit for VR right now. 0.99

03:13:37.000 Developing? 1.00

03:13:38.000 Yeah, goddammit. 0.76

03:13:39.000 I'm not a developer.

03:13:41.000 There are so many ideas that you will have when you try these goggles on.

03:13:45.000 Where you're going to be like, this needs to exist in the world. 0.98

03:13:48.000 Get this shit developed, man, because there's so many things that once you experience it, where you're like, oh, someone needs to build this. 0.99

03:13:57.000 Like, for example, a fucking boxing... 1.00

03:13:59.000 Jamie's nodding. 0.99

03:14:01.000 In the one hour, I think, I got a demonstration of it.

03:14:04.000 I was just sitting there asking the guy, so what about when someone gets a hold of this and they start thinking about doing this thing?

03:14:09.000 And what about when Rockstar gets it and then they start thinking about making Grand Theft Auto this way?

03:14:13.000 He's like, yes, exactly.

03:14:14.000 Quake.

03:14:16.000 Well, Fallout is coming for the Vive, which is going to be pretty fucking cool. 0.91

03:14:20.000 But dude, they have like a boxing program that looks like it's still in development, but a fucking box, a real boxing program, because it tracks the controllers perfectly in real time. 0.83

03:14:33.000 So you could actually learn how to box. 0.96

03:14:34.000 Yes.

03:14:35.000 Wow.

03:14:36.000 Someone needs to build a real, not only learn how to box, but you could train with the great boxers.

03:14:42.000 Maybe you could throw kicks, too.

03:14:44.000 Well, you would have to have something on your foot.

03:14:45.000 You'd have to have another addition.

03:14:46.000 Seems like that could be done with boots, right?

03:14:49.000 Easily, man.

03:14:50.000 Easily.

03:14:51.000 Some kind of sneakers. 0.99

03:14:52.000 You could get a great fucking workout, too. 0.99

03:14:54.000 Oh, I'm sure. 0.99

03:14:54.000 Remember when people were doing Dance Dance Revolution, they lost tons of weight? 0.99

03:14:57.000 Yeah.

03:14:58.000 It was a huge thing.

03:14:59.000 A lot of guys lost, and gals, lost a ton of weight off that Dance Dance Revolution game because it was so fun to do.

03:15:06.000 Well, that's what's funny about VR, is that right now when people think of a video gamer, You're not going to hear someone say, oh, they're lean and tan, and they have such dexterity. 1.00

03:15:17.000 But now, when you think of someone who's great at VR, you've got to be in fucking shit. 0.99

03:15:23.000 There's the boxing program. 0.99

03:15:25.000 I'm going to download it.

03:15:26.000 The creators of this seem like they're super cool. 0.99

03:15:29.000 Hold the fuck up, son. 0.99

03:15:29.000 I think I could get a good workout with this. 0.99

03:15:31.000 They have VR pool, too.

03:15:32.000 How good?

03:15:32.000 I don't want that.

03:15:34.000 Pool's real.

03:15:35.000 But see, the thing about this is, this is something that you could do on your own and get a workout in.

03:15:40.000 What I find interesting about this, too, is you could tune a dude up and you don't feel bad about it.

03:15:45.000 Right, exactly.

03:15:46.000 Now, what you need to do eventually is they're going to have something that looks like this, but it's a robot, like both things.

03:15:54.000 Like, you have a thing that you can actually hit.

03:15:56.000 Well, no, you could already...

03:15:58.000 I'm sure there's a way that you could hang a bag.

03:16:02.000 Because, like, okay, so when I... When I'm talking about something that hits back...

03:16:07.000 Well, yeah, that's going to be crazy.

03:16:10.000 Something that doesn't have to have a lot of power.

03:16:13.000 It could have, like, a really mushy arm.

03:16:16.000 And it knows how to move the way you move.

03:16:20.000 Like it's actually throwing punches at you.

03:16:22.000 So if it hits you, it's not hurting you.

03:16:24.000 You know what that could be, man?

03:16:25.000 It could be like a haptic face mask that registers the punch and vibrates so that you could feel it.

03:16:32.000 You know, wherever it hits you.

03:16:34.000 It could be, but it also could be, like, some sort of a robot that has inflatable arms, and the inflatable arms moved with the program, so as you're looking at Apollo Creed in front of you, when he snaps his Jap out at you, pop!

03:16:49.000 He's throwing this, like, spongy, almost like an inflatable raft...

03:16:56.000 Balloon arm, you know, like when your little kids inflatable balloon toys, you know, like that.

03:17:01.000 Like, it's not gonna hurt you at all.

03:17:02.000 It's just gonna touch your face. 0.97

03:17:03.000 It would be fucking incredible. 1.00

03:17:04.000 And what you're gonna see, man, is people are gonna get really good at this shit. 0.99

03:17:09.000 Like, if you're good at shooting in VR, minus, like, the heft of the gun and the real kick of whatever gun in the real world you're using, it's gonna translate. 0.98

03:17:18.000 We are, tomorrow, at Just Floating Pasadena, Zach Leary and I are testing out, I think for the first time, VR in a float tank.

03:17:29.000 Zach Leary, Timothy Leary's son?

03:17:31.000 Timothy Leary's son.

03:17:31.000 What are you up to, Duncan Trussell?

03:17:33.000 Huh?

03:17:34.000 You dropping out and tuning in and all that jazz?

03:17:36.000 We're trying to induce the observer effect.

03:17:38.000 We've got this awesome guy, Dustin, who's helped us...

03:17:42.000 It helped us build a floating in space program.

03:17:45.000 So the idea is, can you induce the effect astronauts report when they're floating in space looking down on Earth?

03:17:53.000 If you put someone in the zero-g or the semi-zero-g of a float tank and give them the impression that they're staring down on planet Earth, And we've got this genius designer who's...

03:18:05.000 I haven't looked at it yet. 0.90

03:18:07.000 Dude, you are freaking me the fuck out right now.

03:18:10.000 Well, let's hope it works, man. 0.89

03:18:11.000 Because this is something that makes sense to me in my world, the world of the float.

03:18:15.000 Yeah, man.

03:18:16.000 You know?

03:18:17.000 Like, something like that.

03:18:18.000 Adding floating to it.

03:18:19.000 You know, Crash was trying to do something similar a long time ago.

03:18:22.000 He was developing programs.

03:18:24.000 He developed a screen.

03:18:26.000 Crash from the float lab, I should say.

03:18:27.000 He's one of the big innovators of floating tanks in this country.

03:18:31.000 He developed a screen that had one of the lowest emissions of light possible.

03:18:35.000 So that when you'd be lying down in this tank, complete darkness, you would look up at the screen, and the amount of light came out, it was so minuscule that it allowed you to see clearly the images, but didn't show a defined line of a screen.

03:18:48.000 So you were never removed from this idea that you're floating through the universe, but in front of you all these things were playing out.

03:18:54.000 And he had this idea...

03:18:55.000 That you would learn things easier that way like you could watch like a golf documentary or a golf Instructional rather and you could learn like how to swing a golf club properly because you would be seeing it through a first-person perspective well, um Zach's dad Had this idea.

03:19:11.000 I think it's called the- Timothy Leary?

03:19:13.000 Tim Leary.

03:19:14.000 You should probably say who his dad was.

03:19:15.000 Timothy Leary had this idea of the eight circuits of conscience.

03:19:19.000 Oh, is it Zach's dad?

03:19:20.000 Yeah, man!

03:19:21.000 What a sweetie. 1.00

03:19:22.000 Well, I mean, and he was a fucking sweetie. 0.99

03:19:25.000 Tim Leary was like... 0.99

03:19:27.000 Timothy Leary, I put him on the same level as Galileo.

03:19:31.000 He was an incredibly brilliant human being.

03:19:34.000 And a lot of his ideas got lost. 0.94

03:19:36.000 He gets called an LSD propagandist, but there's a lot of other shit he was coming up with. 0.72

03:19:42.000 And one of those was this model. 0.94

03:19:44.000 I think it's the Eight Circuits of Consciousness.

03:19:46.000 The idea is that Humans are meant to migrate into space.

03:19:53.000 In the same way different creatures, when they enter into new habitats, they actually change a little bit.

03:20:00.000 In other words, you take a sea turtle who's laid eggs in the sand, and the first time a little baby sea turtle climbs out of the egg and burrows out of the sand, It's a land creature until it hits water.

03:20:15.000 And then all of a sudden all this other instinctual shit kicks in and it learns how to be a sea turtle. 0.96

03:20:19.000 More than likely it gets eaten. 0.99

03:20:21.000 Not a lot of them make it.

03:20:22.000 But the ones that survive become sea turtles, right?

03:20:25.000 So the idea is that humans are meant for interstellar, for travel in space.

03:20:32.000 And that if we go into zero-g, Then what could potentially happen are changes in our psyche and maybe even in our genetic makeup.

03:20:45.000 Like maybe if we go into space long enough, we'll start transforming into some new creature that we were meant to be.

03:20:53.000 What was it, Ed Mitchell that was talking about?

03:20:55.000 The experience of being in space that he would like to take everybody up there and that you would realize how ridiculous boundaries are and how ridiculous wars are.

03:21:05.000 If you could see the earth as a whole the way he saw it.

03:21:08.000 Ed Mitchell!

03:21:09.000 Is he still alive?

03:21:11.000 I believe he is.

03:21:12.000 Ed Mitchell, we're trying to do it for you, brother.

03:21:14.000 Ed Mitchell's not alive?

03:21:15.000 No, he died.

03:21:16.000 Well, wherever you are, Ed Mitchell.

03:21:17.000 He was an interesting guy.

03:21:19.000 He was an interesting one because he was really into UFOs, especially before he died.

03:21:23.000 He was one of the more compelling cases of someone who went into space and came back with a profound belief in UFOs.

03:21:31.000 Right.

03:21:32.000 But, you know, it's always hard.

03:21:34.000 You don't know the guy.

03:21:35.000 I don't know the guy.

03:21:36.000 I don't know what his motivation was.

03:21:37.000 I hope he was being honest.

03:21:39.000 But there's a lot of money in UFOs. 0.99

03:21:41.000 And if you're a fucking astronaut and you want to cash in, that's the best way. 0.98

03:21:45.000 I'm not saying that he would do it. 0.99

03:21:47.000 I'm not saying that.

03:21:47.000 But the cynic in me has to always go, well, how well do they take care of their astronauts?

03:21:52.000 I mean, how well do they get paid?

03:21:53.000 I'll tell you what, man.

03:21:54.000 If you can tap into some of that sweet, sweet UFO money.

03:21:57.000 UFO dough?

03:21:58.000 Woo! 0.99

03:21:59.000 There's a lot of money in them UFO books. 1.00

03:22:01.000 Fuck little green men! 1.00

03:22:02.000 I want little green bits of paper, motherfucker! 1.00

03:22:04.000 I mean, it's not like Hillary Clinton speaking fees, but if you can get a former US astronaut who went to the moon to sit down and talk to you about the little green men that he might have seen, or the idea that they might exist, Well, you know what, 0.99

03:22:19.000 man? 0.96

03:22:20.000 You know, there are nefarious people in this world, and I don't know if fucking Ed Mitchell saw UFOs or not. 0.96

03:22:27.000 It wouldn't surprise me that there are other creatures that you run into up there that for whatever reason you're not supposed to announce. 0.90

03:22:35.000 I don't know, man, but...

03:22:36.000 It's totally possible.

03:22:37.000 Look, if we could send a robot to Mars, it's totally possible that something's up there.

03:22:41.000 It's totally possible that something is around Earth all the time.

03:22:44.000 We just don't get a chance to see it.

03:22:46.000 I mean, this is what Terence McKenna always talked about.

03:22:48.000 He's like, we spend all this money on these telescopes when for however...

03:22:52.000 Most people won't even sell you DMT. They give it to you.

03:22:56.000 But just however much it costs for whatever the device you use to inhale the DMT or however much it costs you to get down to wherever the ayahuasca shaman was or whatever it is, you're going to encounter...

03:23:10.000 Things that seem to have a personality that is not your personality and that they don't have a normal human body.

03:23:18.000 I was just reading Aleister Crowley last night and he's talking about We use the term angel not because we're saying there's some angel out there, but it's more convenient than saying here is a representation of the higher form of human intelligence that has come in the form of an archetype that our brains translate as an angel. 0.99

03:23:42.000 It's just easier to call it an angel for the sake of just pragmatism because you want to achieve some goal, just call it a fucking angel. 0.92

03:23:50.000 We used to call aliens Angels. 0.99

03:23:53.000 That's what we used to call them.

03:23:54.000 Isn't the idea of a person with no possible way of measuring what something is?

03:24:01.000 Even if whether you have an experience or not, I have to take your word for it.

03:24:03.000 I'm assuming you had an experience.

03:24:05.000 You say it was an angel.

03:24:06.000 The idea of putting a label on that, a definitive label, like, oh, I definitely met an angel. 0.98

03:24:11.000 How the fuck do you know what an angel is? 0.72

03:24:13.000 How do you know it was an alien? 0.99

03:24:15.000 It was definitely an alien?

03:24:16.000 You sure it wasn't an angel?

03:24:18.000 How do you know?

03:24:19.000 You don't know.

03:24:19.000 You're guessing.

03:24:20.000 You don't know what an angel is or an alien is.

03:24:22.000 As a matter of fact, you shouldn't be able to say those words. 0.98

03:24:25.000 Because you don't even know what the fuck they mean. 0.99

03:24:26.000 Either one of those words, you're just saying nonsense. 0.98

03:24:28.000 And for you to be like super definitive about it, like you're definitely sure that it was an angel.

03:24:34.000 Or you're definitely sure that it was an alien. 0.99

03:24:36.000 You're crazy. 0.97

03:24:36.000 You don't even know what you saw. 0.97

03:24:38.000 You don't have anything you can bring back.

03:24:39.000 There's no physical matter where you brought to a scientist and a bunch of peer-reviewed scientists from all around the world studied it and determined that this was actually alien tissue.

03:24:48.000 No, there's none of that. 0.74

03:24:49.000 So no matter what it is, the label's ridiculous. 0.92

03:24:53.000 Right.

03:24:53.000 And to get caught up in the label is kind of to waste your time, unless you're using the label as something to expedite your ability to recontact that thing, in which case labels are fantastic.

03:25:05.000 But if you're using the label to say, oh yes, this is definitely an angel, And then you're, like, getting in the most insanely stupid arguments over that, then it's a bit of a waste of time.

03:25:15.000 But if you have an experience, for example, I don't know, you smoke DMT and you come into contact with a self-transforming machine elf, as Terence McKenna called it.

03:25:26.000 In hyperspace.

03:25:26.000 In hyperspace, right?

03:25:27.000 So, is that really what those things call themselves?

03:25:30.000 If they could?

03:25:32.000 No, of course not.

03:25:33.000 But as a tool or a means of trying to, in some way, bring the Transcendent into this dimension, then language is a necessity.

03:25:44.000 You have no choice.

03:25:45.000 Well, not just that, but in McKenna's case, it was part of the grand theater of being someone who is a DMT evangelist.

03:25:53.000 Right.

03:25:53.000 I mean, part of his...

03:25:55.000 His art of what he is as a performer, like I'm a big fan of his lectures.

03:26:00.000 I enjoyed watching him talk.

03:26:02.000 I enjoyed listening to him talk.

03:26:03.000 But part of what he was doing was very entertaining.

03:26:06.000 He had this oddly soothing voice, this brilliant vocabulary.

03:26:10.000 And one of the things he did in one of these interviews that he did, he was, not interviews, rather, he used to do Q&As with the audience.

03:26:16.000 They'd ask him questions about psychedelic drugs and things along those lines.

03:26:19.000 Someone was asking him something, and he said, you know, they were like, well, what can you do, and how do you differentiate, and how do you keep from being arrested?

03:26:27.000 He goes, well, note, I use big words.

03:26:32.000 You know, and he's a legitimate scholar, and he's like, if you come up with slogans like, drop out, tune in, like the...

03:26:41.000 Tune in, turn on, drop out.

03:26:42.000 Yeah, he goes, that's when they come.

03:26:44.000 And he goes, I keep it low-key.

03:26:46.000 I have these small meetings.

03:26:48.000 They rarely get over a thousand people.

03:26:51.000 And I use a lot of really big words.

03:26:54.000 And I use the richest vocabulary for description that I can muster up.

03:26:59.000 Right.

03:27:00.000 It was interesting because you listen to him and he's obviously incredibly well-educated.

03:27:04.000 And incredibly knowledgeable about the actual physical compounds of all these different psychedelics and their mechanisms for interaction and the monoamine oxidase inhibitors and all these different things that he's saying.

03:27:16.000 It causes people who are not that smart to go, okay, I don't know what he's saying.

03:27:21.000 We let them go?

03:27:22.000 Let them keep talking?

03:27:23.000 What do we do here?

03:27:24.000 I hope to God they don't care that much about people talking about that stuff, man.

03:27:29.000 It's not they. 0.90

03:27:30.000 I don't believe there's a they. 1.00

03:27:32.000 I really don't.

03:27:33.000 There's a few people that are they, but those few people that are they, they're bankers and they're industrialists and they're... 0.99

03:27:39.000 The military-industrial complex, the people that are earning money off of wars and controlling resources, if you really think that they are somehow or another actively trying to capture or capture people that are talking openly about psychedelics, they don't have time for that shit. 0.98

03:27:55.000 I really don't think they do. 0.97

03:27:56.000 Have you seen the video of Tim Leary in front of the Senate at a hearing?

03:28:00.000 That was like 1960...

03:28:03.000 What was it?

03:28:04.000 I want to say it was like...

03:28:05.000 I don't know the year. 0.98

03:28:06.000 It's one of the funniest fucking things ever, though. 0.99

03:28:07.000 Bizarre. 0.99

03:28:08.000 Because he's a madman and he's in front of these, like, just hardcore politicians talking about the LSD experience.

03:28:16.000 Do you think we'll get pulled off YouTube if we play that? 1.00

03:28:19.000 I think that's public fucking... 0.98

03:28:21.000 Don't we own that? 0.99

03:28:22.000 Because it's a...

03:28:23.000 It should.

03:28:24.000 It should be.

03:28:24.000 It'd be a historical thing.

03:28:27.000 Seems like...

03:28:27.000 There's an amount of time that things have to...

03:28:30.000 Right?

03:28:31.000 I don't know.

03:28:32.000 It becomes public domain.

03:28:33.000 If it's like video...

03:28:34.000 I guess it depends on who filmed it.

03:28:35.000 Like if a TV station filmed it, it's theirs.

03:28:38.000 But if it's like the government filming it...

03:28:41.000 Right.

03:28:41.000 I mean, I don't know for sure.

03:28:43.000 Like, I don't know.

03:28:46.000 You've seen video of it?

03:28:47.000 Yeah, there's definitely video footage.

03:28:49.000 I'm looking forward to it.

03:28:49.000 It's on it.

03:28:50.000 There's a documentary right now called Dying to Know, which is an amazing movie about Ram Dass and Timothy Leary's friendship, and it sort of follows the scope of their lives together.

03:29:03.000 It's amazing. 0.96

03:29:03.000 It's fucking well shot. 0.96

03:29:06.000 But it's on there. 0.99

03:29:08.000 I'm surprised it's not...

03:29:11.000 I had another question before I forget this.

03:29:14.000 Again, this is another thing I want to talk about earlier.

03:29:16.000 You know the Fermi Paradox?

03:29:18.000 Yes.

03:29:18.000 Where are all the aliens if civilization is so likely?

03:29:22.000 Yes.

03:29:22.000 Do you think, looking at all this virtual reality, and this is something I explored, I did a single podcast the other day with just me answering questions.

03:29:29.000 Cool.

03:29:30.000 And somebody asked about the Fermi Paradox, and it really made me think about it even more, and I've been thinking about it since then.

03:29:35.000 Do you think it's possible that civilizations never get to travel through space because they get to this thing?

03:29:41.000 They realize that the real juice is in virtual.

03:29:43.000 Like, why do you have to, like, physically traverse between one galaxy to another when you could figure out a way through technology and ultimately through artificial intelligence creating infinitely more complex artificial reality that we're going to never travel,

03:29:59.000 that all of our travel is going to be done internally.

03:30:02.000 Well, yeah, I do.

03:30:03.000 I think that that is a great response to the Fermi Paradox.

03:30:07.000 And I think that our addiction to the idea that we are our body is going to be something that fades away over time and that we stop having this concept that I'm localized in my, that my,

03:30:22.000 you know, We live in a world where people believe that all they are is their body.

03:30:27.000 They think, I am my physical body.

03:30:29.000 That's it.

03:30:30.000 That's what I am.

03:30:30.000 That's the sum total of me.

03:30:32.000 Inside, outside.

03:30:33.000 Inside, body.

03:30:35.000 Outside, everything else.

03:30:37.000 Even though what we were talking about earlier, We know that we're inextricably woven in to the fabric of every single thing.

03:30:45.000 So really, your body is one part of the infinite universe.

03:30:49.000 And right now, you have become completely fixated on it.

03:30:53.000 You think it's you.

03:30:54.000 So VR, you put VR on, first thing that happens, which is one of my favorite things, is you'll hold your...

03:31:01.000 You'll hold your hand up in front of your face, right?

03:31:03.000 Right.

03:31:04.000 And if you have the HTC Vive, you'll see their amazing controllers just floating in the air.

03:31:08.000 But then, you'll look down. 0.99

03:31:11.000 There's no fucking body there, man. 0.99

03:31:13.000 You're looking down and it's just a blank space. 1.00

03:31:15.000 You don't have a body anymore. 0.96

03:31:17.000 Now, when someone touches you in VR, it's really fucking cool. 0.91

03:31:21.000 Because you don't see them. 0.97

03:31:22.000 It's like a ghost is touching you.

03:31:25.000 And I'm not saying I've done this.

03:31:26.000 But if you were to have sex in VR... You've done it.

03:31:30.000 Never, Joe. 0.57

03:31:32.000 Have you done it?

03:31:32.000 I will never have sex out of wedlock.

03:31:34.000 But if you were to have sex in VR, then suddenly you don't have a body anymore. 0.92

03:31:41.000 Okay, but you're having sex in VR with another person who's in VR? Yeah, with another person. 0.82

03:31:45.000 So you have physical sex with someone. 0.92

03:31:47.000 And what do you see on the other side? 0.96

03:31:48.000 It depends on what you decide to be having sex in. 0.99

03:31:51.000 So you could have sex with your girlfriend and pretend it's like the Cookie Monster. 0.99

03:31:56.000 You could have sex with your girlfriend and just be laying in some field looking up at the stars. 1.00

03:32:01.000 You could have the Cookie Monster's feet up in the air, like Bugs Bunny, and you're banging in the ass. 1.00

03:32:06.000 Here's what's weird, man. 0.99

03:32:07.000 This is what's really weird.

03:32:08.000 And no one understands it.

03:32:10.000 But with VR, apparently people have tried it for some reason.

03:32:13.000 They can't do that. 0.98

03:32:15.000 There's no way to bring the Cookie Monster to fuck the Cookie Monster in VR. Put a man on the moon, we could fuck the Cookie Monster. 1.00

03:32:22.000 Absolutely, man. 1.00

03:32:23.000 You could do that.

03:32:25.000 You could definitely do that, but it's kind of like something about the Philosophical implication of not having a body, even if it's being induced by technology, I'm sure you've taken a high enough dose of something where you merge into the universe and you feel like you don't have a self anymore.

03:32:46.000 So to imagine being able to induce that with VR so that now you've removed the thing that you've been identifying with your entire life, your body as yourself, And there's just a blank space, yet consciousness remains.

03:33:00.000 Even though you know you have a body, when you take the goggles off, you know it's there. 0.96

03:33:05.000 As time passes when you're wearing this shit, you begin to forget about there. 0.99

03:33:09.000 You begin to forget about the external world. 1.00

03:33:11.000 And when you finally do take the goggles off, it's like, oh, oh, fuck. 1.00

03:33:16.000 Oh, right. 1.00

03:33:17.000 This is my office.

03:33:18.000 Well, that's the same thing that happens in some ways when you get in a tank.

03:33:22.000 When you're in the tank with no VR technology, you sometimes have experiences where you go into like a dream state and you think things are happening that aren't really happening.

03:33:32.000 And then you wake up out of them and you're in the tank.

03:33:34.000 Right.

03:33:34.000 And they happen in a crazy vivid way because you don't have any sensory...

03:33:39.000 Input.

03:33:39.000 If you have a dream, you're still feeling the bed.

03:33:44.000 Most of the time, you're out of that stage and you're in this dream dimension.

03:33:49.000 But if for some reason you moved a little bit and you hit your pillow or your foot touched the nightstand or something like that, you're going to snap out of it. 0.98

03:33:56.000 When you're in that goddamn tank, you don't feel anything. 0.98

03:33:59.000 You're flying through space already. 1.00

03:34:01.000 That's it.

03:34:01.000 So you can almost use that as a homemade virtual reality thing.

03:34:07.000 Absolutely.

03:34:08.000 Absolutely.

03:34:08.000 But the ability to program is where things get squirrely.

03:34:12.000 Yeah.

03:34:13.000 The ability to create any sort of scenario you would like.

03:34:17.000 Yeah.

03:34:17.000 It's the best.

03:34:18.000 It's going to have so many therapeutic uses.

03:34:22.000 Haptic feedback.

03:34:22.000 What?

03:34:22.000 Haptic feedback.

03:34:23.000 Yeah, man.

03:34:24.000 That's big.

03:34:24.000 It's like haptic.

03:34:25.000 So like, you know, one possible end result could be full-bodied haptic suits in float tanks.

03:34:31.000 Yeah.

03:34:32.000 In the float tank.

03:34:32.000 Oh my God, I just came.

03:34:34.000 Yeah.

03:34:35.000 Well, yeah, it's one of the potential uses of the thing. 1.00

03:34:39.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99

03:34:41.000 There's just so much that's going to happen. 0.99

03:34:45.000 One thing I really hope people do is, and I was thinking about doing this, man, but I always think about doing things like this.

03:34:53.000 I never do it, so maybe one of you guys out there will do it. 0.62

03:34:56.000 Bringing this shit to old senior citizens' homes and letting people who haven't experienced it, who are maybe not going to be in this dimension much longer, have a chance to see what's going on. 0.99

03:35:09.000 Because I think it'd be a great service for people. 0.99

03:35:12.000 People who are like...

03:35:25.000 There's so many weirdly anti-VR people, man.

03:35:30.000 Where are you even counting them?

03:35:31.000 I haven't seen anybody.

03:35:33.000 Dude, I was at a...

03:35:34.000 Well, you know, people are like, ugh, VR. I've already heard that.

03:35:37.000 Like, you know, it's gonna...

03:35:39.000 It's like 3D TV. That kind of shit. 1.00

03:35:43.000 Who's saying this to you? 1.00

03:35:44.000 It's just some dick at a party. 0.99

03:35:46.000 There's no point talking about it. 0.99

03:35:47.000 Maybe I was trying to impress a girl. 0.82

03:35:49.000 There was no girl around. 1.00

03:35:50.000 Maybe he's trying to fuck you. 1.00

03:35:51.000 I fucked him. 1.00

03:35:52.000 Okay. 1.00

03:35:53.000 Did you tell him virtual reality is really a piece of shit? 1.00

03:35:55.000 You think he was negging me? 1.00

03:35:57.000 Yeah, he's probably trying to prod you.

03:36:01.000 Or he didn't like the fact you're smarter than him.

03:36:04.000 I don't know if I was, but I'll tell you, it's going to be one of the most powerful therapeutic tools that's ever existed.

03:36:15.000 Just what it's going to be able to do.

03:36:18.000 You hear about, there was a great...

03:36:21.000 I think it was a Vice article.

03:36:22.000 I can't remember which article about a guy who has to program the music that people listen to during the mushroom studies that they're doing.

03:36:31.000 Like, what playlist do you play for someone who's undergoing psychedelic therapy, right?

03:36:36.000 But this tool for psychedelic therapy, like the ability to...

03:36:40.000 There's a program.

03:36:42.000 Oh, my God.

03:36:43.000 When you come over, I can't wait to show you this.

03:36:45.000 It's called Sound Self.

03:36:47.000 Sound Self.

03:36:48.000 And what it is is...

03:36:50.000 You put these goggles on and headphones that have a microphone on and you chant into the thing, right?

03:36:57.000 So you're like, oh, and it takes, that's it.

03:37:03.000 I mean, again, this stuff is, it takes that.

03:37:06.000 Responds to the sounds you're making and then plays it back through your headphones so you hear your voice being transformed and replaced as like deeper or lower.

03:37:16.000 It's just very psychedelic.

03:37:18.000 And you're watching the images while you're hearing your voice that's being altered.

03:37:22.000 It's like you're doing rounds.

03:37:30.000 How many people are going to be saying that?

03:37:32.000 What's this guy's video so we can get him some views?

03:37:34.000 What does it say?

03:37:35.000 Oculus Rift Game Sound Self Virtual Reality Guinea Pig Review. 0.99

03:37:40.000 Yeah, it's so cool. 0.99

03:37:41.000 Goddamn. 0.89

03:37:42.000 And that's something, if you guys out there have any... 0.99

03:37:44.000 Oh my god, look at that.

03:37:47.000 Looks like a tool video.

03:37:48.000 Yeah, let's explain what we're watching.

03:37:49.000 What we're watching is these crazy three-dimensional computer animations that look like psychedelic trips.

03:37:59.000 It looks almost like a gateway, not DMT itself, but like a gateway to DMT, like right before you blow through.

03:38:06.000 That's right.

03:38:07.000 There's a moment where you see, I think what they describe as the flower of life, before you blast on through to the other side.

03:38:15.000 Now, for those of you who have an HTC Vive, if you want to use this game, you can pay for the Alpha, it's 30 bucks.

03:38:24.000 This guy has goggles with the eyeballs.

03:38:26.000 And then you've got to use something called the Revive Injector to get it to run.

03:38:30.000 Anyone who has a Vive out there will know what I'm talking about.

03:38:33.000 What is the difference between, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but what is the difference between Oculus Rift and a Vive?

03:38:37.000 So, unfortunately, Oculus has created, has made a bunch of deals with developers to make exclusive content for the Oculus, right?

03:38:47.000 And Oculus is great.

03:38:49.000 It's really cool.

03:38:50.000 That was Oculus.

03:38:50.000 That was Oculus, but it's not as good as the Vive for a few different reasons.

03:38:55.000 One of the reasons is the Vive is designed for being able to walk around.

03:39:01.000 The Vive comes with these, and maybe the Rift, you can do it, but it seems like it's more localized.

03:39:06.000 So forgive me, By the way, Oculus Rift people, I love you.

03:39:10.000 Carmack's coming on soon.

03:39:11.000 I had the DK1, I had the DK2. You know John Carmack from id Software?

03:39:15.000 He's involved in Oculus Rift now.

03:39:17.000 Oculus is great, and God bless you guys for making VR possible, because they were the ones. 0.99

03:39:23.000 Palmer Luckey ran with his fucking torch. 0.99

03:39:26.000 He made this fucking happen. 1.00

03:39:28.000 The only problem is that Oculus released without controllers like Vive has, right? 0.99

03:39:33.000 And that was a Big mistake, man.

03:39:35.000 So that boxing thing that we saw that was Vive?

03:39:37.000 That was Vive.

03:39:38.000 But Oculus is releasing controllers now.

03:39:40.000 And honestly, now that I'm getting so sucked into VR, I've actually considered buying an Oculus Rift just so I have both.

03:39:47.000 Jesus Christ, dude.

03:39:48.000 You're deep.

03:39:48.000 You don't really need it because you can use something called Re-Vive, which allows you to play Oculus games on the HTC Vive.

03:39:57.000 You're so deep in this, man.

03:39:58.000 It's weird to see. 1.00

03:39:59.000 It's the coolest fucking thing, Jeff. 1.00

03:40:01.000 This is the same Duncan that was terrified of EverQuest and World of Warcraft and all that other shit that you got sucked into. 0.99

03:40:07.000 You're not terrified of this. 0.99

03:40:08.000 You're just whole hog diving right in here.

03:40:12.000 It feels right.

03:40:18.000 I love that expression.

03:40:20.000 It feels like the right thing.

03:40:21.000 It feels like...

03:40:22.000 And it's cool.

03:40:23.000 I'll tell you, man.

03:40:24.000 By the way, there's not a lot of people right now who have VR gear.

03:40:28.000 And there's just some kind of exciting thing about seeing...

03:40:33.000 Ground floor.

03:40:33.000 Ground floor and being like, oh my god.

03:40:36.000 This is going to change the world.

03:40:38.000 Let's do a podcast from your place.

03:40:41.000 Let's do your podcast this Friday.

03:40:43.000 Duncan and I are doing the Ice House in Pasadena on Friday night.

03:40:46.000 We're doing the 8 o'clock show.

03:40:47.000 Sold out!

03:40:48.000 Sorry!

03:40:49.000 But we'll do a podcast from your house.

03:40:52.000 And we'll do it with me experiencing your VR for the first time.

03:40:56.000 Cool.

03:40:56.000 And we'll get barbecued.

03:40:58.000 We'll try two things.

03:40:59.000 We were so high before this show, I was worried if I was going to be able to pull this off.

03:41:02.000 Man, that breath spray ain't playing around.

03:41:07.000 I was worried.

03:41:08.000 I was worried.

03:41:09.000 I was like, oh no, I'm too gone.

03:41:12.000 I don't know if I can handle this one.

03:41:14.000 Dude, I did a podcast with Sam Harris and I took 12 shots of the breast spray before the podcast.

03:41:18.000 Jesus.

03:41:19.000 I wanted to see what would happen.

03:41:20.000 And I kept going and halfway into the podcast, I was like...

03:41:24.000 Oh my god!

03:41:26.000 It was like I was skiing down a hill, like I was on a Black Diamond ski course.

03:41:30.000 I was up, and I was moving, and I was conscious, and I knew just keep paying attention to the road, left and right and left and right.

03:41:38.000 You're gonna make it.

03:41:39.000 You're gonna make it.

03:41:39.000 Where do you get Jombo from?

03:41:41.000 Shh! 0.97

03:41:42.000 Don't say the name out loud.

03:41:44.000 Really?

03:41:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:41:45.000 It's a girl who has no name.

03:41:47.000 I'm sorry.

03:41:48.000 A girl who has no name.

03:41:50.000 She doesn't.

03:41:51.000 You don't want to say it three times like Candyman in front of the mirror.

03:41:55.000 We'll talk later. 1.00

03:42:01.000 Friday night, you motherfuckers! 1.00

03:42:04.000 So we'll be doing an episode of the Duncan Trussell Family Hour. 1.00

03:42:06.000 Thanks, Joe.

03:42:07.000 We'll be at the Ice House.

03:42:08.000 My pleasure, my brother.

03:42:09.000 I always love doing these.

03:42:10.000 We need to do these more often, you know?

03:42:11.000 We're really good friends, but we see each other and get deeper with each other during these podcasts than we ever do in real life.

03:42:19.000 I know. 0.79

03:42:20.000 Because if we were in real life, we would be talking to other people, we'd be looking at our phones, we'd be doing some other shit. 0.97

03:42:25.000 I know, man. 0.98

03:42:26.000 We'd be eating.

03:42:27.000 I love these moments, Joe.

03:42:28.000 They're some of the happiest moments of my life.

03:42:30.000 So I'm so grateful that you let me be on the show from time to time.

03:42:33.000 I'm grateful that you're on it, man.

03:42:34.000 But what I wanted to say was it's a fascinating thing because I never would have imagined that we would get to know each other better and deeper and more intensely by doing podcasts together where the whole world could hear it.

03:42:49.000 I mean, you and I have had some crazy fucking conversations alone, in private, just you and I just talking about stuff for hours and hours.

03:42:55.000 But there's something crazy about doing these like this. 0.95

03:42:58.000 We're doing them live, and then we're putting them out.

03:43:01.000 They're fascinating, man.

03:43:02.000 We gotta do it more often.

03:43:03.000 Hare Krishna!

03:43:04.000 Hare Krishna!

03:43:06.000 Alright, we'll be back tomorrow with Wayne Fetterman, my friend Wayne Fetterman.

03:43:11.000 Very funny stand-up comic.

03:43:12.000 Neil Brennan's coming.

03:43:14.000 It looked like it was going to be Gary Johnson and Stanhope on Thursday, but Gary Johnson might have to pull out.

03:43:20.000 He got to fly into Wednesday.

03:43:22.000 He's doing a town hall meeting on CNN, which is big news because he's a third-party candidate.

03:43:27.000 That's what happens when people get sick of the two parties.

03:43:29.000 All right.

03:43:30.000 But we'll be back soon.

03:43:31.000 See you.

03:43:32.000 Bye-bye.

03:43:32.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 01, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #828 - Duncan Trussell

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