The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #851 - Shane Mauss

00:00:03.000 Shane Moss, ladies and gentlemen, live from our studio in beautiful 818. Thanks for having me.

00:00:10.000 Thanks for coming, buddy.

00:00:11.000 I was saying before the show, you have the Duncan Trussell seal of approval.

00:00:15.000 Yeah, thanks, Duncan.

00:00:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:17.000 I just had my second time on his show recently.

00:00:20.000 He's an awesome dude.

00:00:22.000 He's one of the rarest people I've ever met in my life.

00:00:25.000 I don't know anyone like Duncan.

00:00:27.000 No, me either.

00:00:28.000 There's a few guys that I know, like, that is just a stone-cold original.

00:00:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:33.000 Duncan's one of those.

00:00:35.000 Yeah, he's hilarious.

00:00:35.000 He's awesome.

00:00:36.000 Did he give you the full virtual reality experience over there?

00:00:39.000 I did.

00:00:39.000 That stuff's amazing.

00:00:41.000 I can't...

00:00:41.000 And he told me that the porn is really crazy in it, too, but he didn't show me any of the porn.

00:00:45.000 Yeah, he got me close to the porn.

00:00:47.000 He gave me the headset, like, dude, he got...

00:00:49.000 No, no.

00:00:50.000 I got, like, right up to the wall, and I'm like, I'm not going!

00:00:53.000 I'm not going into the Matrix!

00:00:55.000 Yeah, I hit a wall in his room shooting or dodging a thing or whatever.

00:01:02.000 It is exceptionally realistic.

00:01:05.000 It's incredible.

00:01:06.000 Did you do the archery game where the cartoons storm the castle?

00:01:11.000 How fun is that?

00:01:12.000 There's another archery one that I played too that's awesome.

00:01:16.000 There's one that you had to, an archery game, where you had to dodge, like, and you're, like, moving, like, the Matrix to dodge away from there.

00:01:23.000 It was, like, a good workout.

00:01:26.000 So you can see the arrows.

00:01:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:28.000 Yeah.

00:01:28.000 No, I would imagine it is a good workout, because I did his boxing one, and that's a good workout.

00:01:32.000 You're, like, boxing against this guy, this video guy, and I showed it to some fighters, and I was, like, I really think that this could be an amazing training tool.

00:01:41.000 If they We could figure out how to make the headset so that maybe if the cord was in the back, if it didn't interfere, as long as you didn't do anything when you had to spin around, it would probably be effective.

00:01:52.000 But they can map your body movements.

00:01:55.000 Like they had that, Jamie, you would know this, that wasn't there an Xbox One where it just sort of takes a picture of your body as you're standing there?

00:02:03.000 Yeah, the Kinect.

00:02:04.000 I had this fixed before the show.

00:02:05.000 I'll get it fixed again.

00:02:07.000 Yeah, the Kinect can read your body heat.

00:02:11.000 It can pick up...

00:02:12.000 It's not reading your skeleton, but it can pick up your limbs and stuff.

00:02:15.000 So it picks up the length of your limbs as well?

00:02:17.000 It can tell where they're moving.

00:02:18.000 If you do the Insanity or something like that, that will work out.

00:02:22.000 It can tell how high you're lifting your knees up.

00:02:24.000 And if you're not bringing them up to the right level, it'll tell you, like, bring them up higher.

00:02:27.000 Lift your legs higher.

00:02:28.000 Lift your knees up.

00:02:29.000 You're not going high enough.

00:02:30.000 It'll give you points based on...

00:02:34.000 Obviously, this is rudimentary in comparison to what it's going to be in a few years.

00:02:37.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:38.000 And with police training and stuff like that, especially once...

00:02:41.000 I don't know exactly how they do it, but once it's kind of wireless, so you don't have the cord attached to you, and then maybe you could have...

00:02:49.000 Larger facilities than just a small room eventually.

00:02:53.000 I think they're already doing that.

00:02:55.000 Didn't you say they were already doing that?

00:02:56.000 They're doing warehouses.

00:02:57.000 They're setting up warehouses for VR sets.

00:03:00.000 And they're going to have feedback in the warehouses, like fans that blow wind on you.

00:03:07.000 And there's going to be movement on some parts of the ground.

00:03:09.000 Oh, that's amazing. 0.99

00:03:10.000 They're going to have some cool shit. 0.98

00:03:11.000 Yeah, I played one of the ones, was a paintball one, with other people that were online. 0.99

00:03:19.000 And, I mean, I guess we've had kind of, people have been playing other people online, but when you're doing it in virtual reality, it's just a totally different thing.

00:03:27.000 Well, I can only imagine.

00:03:28.000 I saw there was one that they had these people on an omnidirectional treadmill.

00:03:33.000 Have you seen those?

00:03:35.000 No.

00:03:36.000 I get the idea.

00:03:37.000 Yeah, you're in a circular containment and you have like a harness on your waist so that you don't ever walk forward and touch the bars, right?

00:03:44.000 So you're kind of strapped in place.

00:03:46.000 And then your feet dictate which way this surface that you're on spins.

00:03:51.000 It's a treadmill, but it's not a treadmill like it's always going so you have to keep up with it.

00:03:56.000 It's a treadmill that you propel, which I've seen before.

00:03:59.000 Some people actually like those.

00:04:00.000 They put them on like A serious incline, and they do crazy sprints on these self-propelling, self-moving treadmills.

00:04:07.000 So this guy had this...

00:04:09.000 Oh, is that it?

00:04:10.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:04:11.000 There's the omnidirectional treadmill.

00:04:12.000 So see how he's hooked up to this harness?

00:04:14.000 So he's in the center of it, and it seems to spin on bearings or something.

00:04:19.000 And so he's moving, like literally moving through this virtual world.

00:04:27.000 You could have just enormous landscapes...

00:04:30.000 That play out.

00:04:31.000 That's amazing.

00:04:33.000 Yeah.

00:04:34.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

00:04:35.000 Yeah, people are going to get lost in there. 0.94

00:04:37.000 You're also going to get really fucking tired. 0.58

00:04:39.000 Because I'll tell you what, playing that archery game, my arms were so tired. 0.97

00:04:44.000 Just from holding, it's like a static thing with your left arm in particular.

00:04:48.000 You're holding your arm in one position, and then your right arm that you're drawing the bowstring back, you're holding that in one position constantly.

00:04:56.000 Because the game is like 20 minutes long.

00:04:58.000 Did you do the paintbrush stuff?

00:05:00.000 I did not.

00:05:01.000 I only did two things.

00:05:02.000 I did the boxing one.

00:05:03.000 Well, I did three.

00:05:03.000 I did the boxing one.

00:05:04.000 I did the archery one.

00:05:06.000 Then I did the one where you just stand there and the whale comes up to you.

00:05:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:10.000 Which is insane.

00:05:11.000 Well, the paint stuff, I think, is going to be...

00:05:14.000 I think that is one that's kind of like...

00:05:24.000 I thought it was amazing, though.

00:05:37.000 You use a spray can here.

00:05:39.000 You put sparks in this area.

00:05:41.000 And then you can walk through it.

00:05:42.000 You can make a circle around yourself and then walk through it and shrink it and enlarge it.

00:05:47.000 And you can see all these people that have painted entire ships, like spaceships, that you can then go inside and walk around and see all the different areas that they've made.

00:05:57.000 And you can add your own graffiti to it and stuff like that.

00:06:01.000 I think that's going to be...

00:06:02.000 To have someone like Alex Gray or something like that get in there.

00:06:07.000 Yeah, I saw a demonstration of that where they were doing it in three-dimensional.

00:06:11.000 This guy made something like you're describing.

00:06:14.000 It's four little different rooms that he has within the little...

00:06:18.000 The virtual world?

00:06:21.000 The virtual big room you have.

00:06:23.000 He made four little ones.

00:06:24.000 And these are all little paint things that you can make using the program.

00:06:28.000 And what program is he on?

00:06:30.000 Is this Oculus?

00:06:31.000 It's on Vive.

00:06:32.000 It's called Tilt Brush.

00:06:33.000 It's the actual program.

00:06:34.000 Did you know the guy who invented Oculus is only like 24?

00:06:38.000 Yeah, did you hear about the stuff going on with him this weekend?

00:06:42.000 Yeah, he's a Trump supporter and his girlfriend's a Gamer Gator.

00:06:46.000 He paid like a billion dollar, million dollars.

00:06:49.000 His girlfriend?

00:06:50.000 Hold on, what'd he say?

00:06:50.000 He paid for a fund that funded those memes, like the Trump memes.

00:06:57.000 There's a meme fund?

00:06:58.000 Yeah, I'll look it up while we're talking about it.

00:07:01.000 Yeah, I'll show you.

00:07:02.000 That's hilarious.

00:07:03.000 There's a meme fund.

00:07:04.000 There's a strange world that we're in.

00:07:05.000 Palmer Luckey, I think is his name.

00:07:06.000 Palmer Luckey.

00:07:07.000 Does that sound right?

00:07:08.000 Oh, okay.

00:07:09.000 How weird.

00:07:11.000 A meme fund.

00:07:13.000 That seems so counter...

00:07:15.000 I mean, it's more effective than the commercials they put on TV, probably.

00:07:21.000 Oh, yeah!

00:07:22.000 Everyone on Facebook.

00:07:24.000 Especially because Facebook's kind of like...

00:07:27.000 A lot of older people are on there now. 0.98

00:07:29.000 And they're real suckers for those. 0.95

00:07:32.000 Like, I like America. 0.92

00:07:35.000 Share this if you're brave enough.

00:07:40.000 And then you have to share it.

00:07:42.000 There's a lot of that going around.

00:07:45.000 It's like those old letters that, like when I was a kid, the chain letters had come and if you didn't send it to like seven people, you'd have bad luck or, you know, whatever it is.

00:07:54.000 And now people are falling for that with like Trump memes. 0.67

00:07:57.000 Are you aware of shitposting? 0.81

00:08:00.000 No.

00:08:01.000 Okay.

00:08:01.000 Jamie alerted me to this new thing.

00:08:04.000 Jamie's my post.

00:08:05.000 I'm already interested.

00:08:06.000 Catchy name.

00:08:07.000 I'm old, so I need Jamie to keep me in touch with the young folk.

00:08:12.000 But there's a thing called shitposting.

00:08:14.000 And what shitposting is, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's part of the alt-right.

00:08:19.000 Correct? 0.84

00:08:19.000 Is that how it's connected? 0.84

00:08:21.000 Not necessarily.

00:08:22.000 They do it, but I don't think it has any...

00:08:24.000 It doesn't have an affiliation?

00:08:25.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:08:26.000 But the idea is you're just posting a bunch of ridiculous shit. 1.00

00:08:31.000 Just to do it. 1.00

00:08:32.000 Right. 0.97

00:08:33.000 And maybe your intelligence level may be several steps above the stuff you're posting, and you're kind of half-trolling and being shitty at the same time. 0.95

00:08:42.000 Yeah, it's like a form of trolling. 0.95

00:08:44.000 It's a new turn. 1.00

00:08:46.000 But by the same shit posting, you know it's shit. 1.00

00:08:50.000 Is that the idea behind it? 1.00

00:08:51.000 The value of what you're posting is shit, I believe, is the description. 0.96

00:08:55.000 Right, but you're aware of it when you're doing it, right? 0.99

00:08:58.000 That's why it's like trolling, yeah.

00:08:59.000 And so the idea is just to rile people up who are like Hillary supporters or something?

00:09:03.000 Yeah.

00:09:04.000 Huh.

00:09:05.000 This is the most bizarre political event I can ever remember in my life.

00:09:11.000 It's too much.

00:09:12.000 I don't handle it well.

00:09:14.000 I try to not watch the news and stuff and it's still just so pervasive.

00:09:18.000 You have to watch it.

00:09:18.000 I know.

00:09:19.000 It's like a sports that you have to follow.

00:09:22.000 It's like a sporting event that you have to follow.

00:09:23.000 There was a video that a bunch of celebrities put out that is so goddamn confusing.

00:09:29.000 Because it's celebrities telling you to go out and vote. 0.98

00:09:33.000 And they're showing all this stuff that makes both of them look fucking terrible.

00:09:38.000 It's such a confusing video because it's all this stuff about Benghazi, all this stuff about the Hillary Clinton scandals, the various scandals. 0.75

00:09:46.000 It's playing on in the background while... 0.97

00:09:50.000 Iron Man, what the fuck's his name, Robert Downey Jr. talks and then a bunch of other celebrities talk and some of them are like really ridiculous. 0.99

00:09:58.000 Like some of them are starting to cry when they're talking. 0.99

00:10:01.000 This is so important.

00:10:05.000 To be a part of that decision.

00:10:07.000 You might think it's not important.

00:10:08.000 You might think you're not important.

00:10:10.000 But that's not true.

00:10:12.000 But there's another version of this that has, okay, maybe this is different.

00:10:16.000 I think I've been hoodwinked.

00:10:18.000 I think this is probably the real one, because it says save the day and the channel saved the day. 0.96

00:10:23.000 And the other one is someone made it and took their speeches with some of their imagery, but then put a bunch of stuff in the background showing, like, how fucked up the Benghazi situation is, how fucked up Donald Trump's past is,

00:10:39.000 how many people are suing Trump University.

00:10:42.000 And then, like, so it makes this thing about saving the day...

00:10:46.000 I guess most of what save the day is, is, like, anti-Trump. 0.96

00:10:51.000 But when you see the video that whoever has created this put together online, it shows a lot of fucked up Hillary stuff, too. 1.00

00:10:58.000 It really lets you know, like, hey, you ain't saving shit, stupid. 1.00

00:11:02.000 One or the other. 1.00

00:11:03.000 It's weird that it's changing...

00:11:05.000 This culture and memes and everything else, it's completely changing what the role of politicians is, what the president actually does, whereas it used to be like you'd need a representative to ride on horseback or whatever.

00:11:20.000 And now we don't really need any of that anymore.

00:11:23.000 And so now these are just people that are going around giving pep talks because by necessity they have to raise a certain amount of money so they have to go to each town and say...

00:11:34.000 I like America the most, the other guy doesn't like America the best, and I support the troops the most, the other person doesn't, and they're just giving the same talk.

00:11:44.000 I don't know how they could have any time to actually be doing the job.

00:11:49.000 They're just going around marketing, and it's kind of by necessity.

00:11:52.000 And how about when they're marketing and they have another job already?

00:11:57.000 Like, they're already a senator or something like that, and they don't give up the job, they just start campaigning?

00:12:02.000 Right.

00:12:03.000 Like, when the president was campaigning for a re-election.

00:12:06.000 Like, a good percentage of him working, like him doing his job, was him campaigning to do it again.

00:12:13.000 Yeah.

00:12:15.000 Yeah, that's... 1.00

00:12:16.000 What the fuck?! 1.00

00:12:17.000 And it's getting earlier and earlier, too.

00:12:20.000 So we'll be done.

00:12:21.000 We've been hearing about this for like two years now.

00:12:24.000 And then after the election, we'll maybe get like maybe a year break before they'll start in on what the next election cycle is going to be.

00:12:32.000 And everyone thinking this is very important and exciting.

00:12:36.000 It's time to change things.

00:12:38.000 Very important.

00:12:39.000 I don't have a solution, but I do have a question.

00:12:43.000 Like, wouldn't it be better for everybody if you couldn't advertise?

00:12:49.000 Wouldn't it be better for everybody if you also couldn't pay people to put promos up or posters up, if that was completely off the table?

00:12:57.000 Like, maybe you could say, listen, okay, here's the deal.

00:13:00.000 People can support your campaign, you know, they can get behind you, they can endorse you, but no ads.

00:13:07.000 Yeah, yeah, like we need a cultural spam filter.

00:13:11.000 Yeah.

00:13:11.000 Yeah, because now, even if these people genuinely say it's just this person who genuinely wants to make a difference, is super smart, they know just how to do the job, they won't be able to.

00:13:24.000 Right, Obama.

00:13:24.000 They have to go out.

00:13:25.000 Yeah, Obama's a very bright dude, seems like a hard-working guy, but he's still, you know, he's just out there giving pep talks and having to, you know, raise funds.

00:13:35.000 And I think it's ridiculous to try to pretend that one person is even capable of running the United States government, something so monstrously huge.

00:13:43.000 Encompassing the IRS, the CIA, the NSA, the FBI. Fucking go on down the line with every union and all the different special interest groups that he has to, you know, they all contribute to his campaign. 0.90

00:13:56.000 He has to help them out. 0.99

00:13:57.000 There's so many different people he has to meet from other countries.

00:13:59.000 There's so many different foreign interests he has to address.

00:14:02.000 There's so many different deals that are on the table. 0.99

00:14:04.000 How the fuck could he... 0.99

00:14:06.000 It's like having a hundred jobs. 0.99

00:14:08.000 Yeah.

00:14:08.000 And why not, rather than going to each small town and giving the same speech, I mean, we have the internet, we have TV, why not just get together and have like a podcast or like once a week where you just talk about what you're doing and what your plans are and you're getting together with certain whatever experts you're working with.

00:14:28.000 And giving a summary on what's actually happening and how things work so people are involved and understand and can give feedback on it.

00:14:38.000 100%.

00:14:39.000 100%.

00:14:40.000 I mean, that's, because right now there's just, like, no substance.

00:14:44.000 And even, I used to think the debates were like, oh, okay, finally, they're going to be saying something, you know, of substance, but it's just, you have one person on one side, one on the other, and they're just digging their trenches,

00:14:59.000 and they're not open to the other person's idea.

00:15:02.000 They're not having a conversation. 0.99

00:15:03.000 Like, I wish someone would just make these two children just sit down and And have a fucking conversation over tea or something like that. 0.99

00:15:13.000 But it's never going to happen because all they're trying to do is win. 0.99

00:15:15.000 And that's really what they're trying to do.

00:15:17.000 They're trying to employ the best strategy for success. 1.00

00:15:19.000 They're going to figure out a way to get in that fucking White House. 1.00

00:15:22.000 It's just so strange. 1.00

00:15:24.000 Frustrating.

00:15:24.000 It's so strange and it goes along the same lines to me as there's some certain things that have been around for a long time that I'm like, how did they ever let this get in?

00:15:34.000 Like if you are operating for the greater good of the people, not for the most amount of money that you're going to receive for making these decisions, but if you're operating for the greater good of the people, why would you let pharmaceutical drug companies make advertisements?

00:15:48.000 Why would you let politicians make advertisements? 0.98

00:15:51.000 Why would you let the cigarette industry? 0.97

00:15:54.000 How the fuck is that still around? 0.96

00:15:56.000 How are you still allowing that? 0.98

00:15:59.000 And then you're saying that marijuana should be illegal. 0.93

00:16:02.000 There's so many of these ancient things that are so ridiculous that have been around forever.

00:16:06.000 Well, and then things like the DEA, which just, what was that, three weeks ago when they decided they weren't going to reschedule it, even though everything's going that direction, clearly?

00:16:16.000 Not just everything.

00:16:18.000 There's nothing pointing the other direction.

00:16:20.000 There's not like, well, we have some conflicting studies and it looks like marijuana could possibly do some sort of memory damage or this or that.

00:16:28.000 No, there's none of that.

00:16:29.000 Yeah, it's just, it's kind of like, I remember the gay marriage debates.

00:16:34.000 Like, ten years ago, it was just like, I don't care if you're the most homophobic, you have your religious beliefs, or whatever it is, but the inability to see that this is happening, that this is where it's going, and you're just wasting a lot of time on a losing battle,

00:16:50.000 is kind of troubling, that people aren't able to...

00:16:54.000 Look at society and be able to make better predictions.

00:16:57.000 Well, they got caught up in a lot of it is religious.

00:17:00.000 A giant percentage of it is the beliefs that people have about gay people that are based on whatever religion they grew up with.

00:17:08.000 It's the only reason why you would care.

00:17:10.000 People who are agnostic, I guarantee if you like did some sort of a survey and checked atheist versus pick whatever religious designation, you know, and saw which ones were against gay marriage.

00:17:21.000 Right.

00:17:22.000 It would be almost all of them the religious ones.

00:17:24.000 There's no like, there's no secular argument against it. 1.00

00:17:27.000 The only argument against it is, look, you fucking people got it light, gay folk. 1.00

00:17:31.000 Don't get married. 1.00

00:17:33.000 Don't do it.

00:17:33.000 Yeah.

00:17:34.000 You can't get pregnant. 1.00

00:17:35.000 They can't rope you in.

00:17:36.000 You don't have to get legally entangled to some other dude that you might get tired of blowing.

00:17:40.000 Okay?

00:17:41.000 Just do it.

00:17:43.000 Don't buy into it.

00:17:45.000 It's kind of like...

00:17:46.000 I feel that way about some of the...

00:17:49.000 When they celebrate...

00:17:52.000 Jessica Jones or something like that where it's like, finally there's like a strong female lead and it's like...

00:17:58.000 Who's Jessica Jones? 1.00

00:17:59.000 It's a TV show on Netflix, like one of those comic book TV shows.

00:18:03.000 It's just the idea of...

00:18:05.000 How dare you think we should know that? 0.95

00:18:07.000 I thought this was like some news story that like a bleppo or whatever it was that Gary Johnson, the capital of the series, fucked up and didn't know what it was. 0.98

00:18:16.000 But the idea of a strong female lead being a shitty action movie. 0.99

00:18:23.000 Women can make shitty mindless shooter movies too. 1.00

00:18:27.000 Why is that a positive thing? 1.00

00:18:31.000 Rather than having a female be president in a movie or some substantial... 0.99

00:18:36.000 Well, they've already had that.

00:18:37.000 Angela Bassett was president in one movie one time. 0.97

00:18:39.000 But the big one was, of course, Sigourney Weaver in Fucking Alien. 0.97

00:18:45.000 She's the best badass chick ever. 1.00

00:18:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:47.000 Who's more badass than her?

00:18:49.000 She didn't have any fucking superpowers. 1.00

00:18:50.000 Just a woman who survived on a spaceship with a fucking creature that nobody had ever seen before. 1.00

00:18:57.000 Right, right. 1.00

00:18:57.000 That movie was the shit. 1.00

00:18:59.000 Nobody nobody disliked that movie because a woman was the lead see that's where all this Ghostbuster shit falls apart You know people are crying sexism and all this is no, it wasn't good. 1.00

00:19:11.000 Yeah, it just wasn't good You know, there's a lot of I haven't seen it. 0.89

00:19:16.000 What was that movie that everyone loves the wedding movie the wedding planner? 0.93

00:19:19.000 No bridesmaids bridesmaids everybody loves that fucking movie Like, universally. 0.97

00:19:24.000 I've never heard anybody who saw that movie who didn't think it was funny. 0.99

00:19:27.000 I've only watched like an hour of it, but I was laughing my ass off. 0.99

00:19:29.000 It's fucking funny. 0.98

00:19:30.000 And it's just funny. 0.99

00:19:32.000 It's funny whether...

00:19:33.000 It's like when Sarah Silverman goes up.

00:19:34.000 She's not funny for a chick. 1.00

00:19:36.000 She's just fucking funny. 1.00

00:19:38.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:19:39.000 Exactly.

00:19:39.000 You know?

00:19:39.000 It's like that's...

00:19:40.000 When it's just that, it's undeniable.

00:19:43.000 You know?

00:19:43.000 Like, Alien is an undeniable movie.

00:19:46.000 And it doesn't matter if, like, it would have been even better if it was Brad Pitt.

00:19:49.000 No, it wouldn't have.

00:19:50.000 It's perfect.

00:19:51.000 It's perfect as it is.

00:19:53.000 So, like, the idea that we need a female leader so badly that we're willing to take this one that's embroiled in controversy.

00:20:00.000 She faints.

00:20:02.000 She's fainting. 0.62

00:20:02.000 If we bring it up, we're a sexist. 0.62

00:20:04.000 You're not supposed to fall asleep when you're just walking around.

00:20:09.000 I mostly just don't like the idea of any time there's another Clinton or another Bush.

00:20:15.000 Just because someone else, their father made it.

00:20:18.000 Or their husband or whatever else made it.

00:20:21.000 So now they also get to...

00:20:23.000 And people are like, oh, I remember that name.

00:20:25.000 We're scared of change.

00:20:27.000 That's why we keep doing Spider-Man movies.

00:20:28.000 There's another Spider-Man reboot.

00:20:30.000 We're going to reboot the Hulk.

00:20:31.000 I mean, that's what we do.

00:20:32.000 We like to reboot things.

00:20:34.000 How many King Kongs have they made? 0.99

00:20:35.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:20:36.000 You know? 1.00

00:20:38.000 A gang of the Hulks. 0.80

00:20:40.000 There's three different guys that have been the Hulk in modern days.

00:20:43.000 Eric Bana, right?

00:20:47.000 Ed Norton.

00:20:48.000 And then the last one was Mike Ruffalo.

00:20:50.000 Mark Ruffalo, who was also in this campaign.

00:20:53.000 He's very politically active, that Mark Ruffalo guy.

00:20:56.000 So yeah, we're having a Clinton reboot.

00:21:00.000 How many times can they do a Batman movie?

00:21:03.000 How many guys have been Batman?

00:21:04.000 Christian Bale, right?

00:21:05.000 Ben Affleck, Michael Keaton, George Clooney.

00:21:09.000 More Batmans than anyone, right? 1.00

00:21:11.000 That's the most reboots.

00:21:12.000 Or has it been Superman?

00:21:13.000 Superman had a TV show.

00:21:15.000 Plus, why bother after Christopher Nolan?

00:21:18.000 I mean, he knocked it out of the park.

00:21:21.000 Which one was that?

00:21:22.000 That was the last three with Batman Begins and Dark Knight.

00:21:29.000 He's the guy he made Inception and Interstellar and Memento. 1.00

00:21:34.000 Also, Christian Bale's just a motherfucker. 0.99

00:21:37.000 That guy's great in everything. 1.00

00:21:38.000 He's great in everything.

00:21:40.000 You know, you watch, I'm sure you've seen Serial Killer.

00:21:44.000 What is it?

00:21:45.000 American Psycho.

00:21:46.000 American Psycho.

00:21:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:47.000 Oh, my God.

00:21:49.000 And I really, that's a disturbing book, man. 0.97

00:21:52.000 It's somehow or another way more fucked up in book form, because it's way more graphic. 0.94

00:21:57.000 Did you read it? 0.97

00:21:57.000 No. 0.97

00:21:58.000 Brett Easton Ellis?

00:21:59.000 I don't read fiction, actually.

00:22:00.000 I've been meaning to.

00:22:01.000 Oh, really?

00:22:01.000 Yeah, I don't know why.

00:22:02.000 It just doesn't attach to me.

00:22:04.000 That's really common.

00:22:05.000 There's a lot of people that don't.

00:22:07.000 Really?

00:22:07.000 Yes.

00:22:08.000 Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher, they call Game of Thrones, they call it make-em-ups.

00:22:16.000 They don't like fiction things because you can just make up anything.

00:22:20.000 Oh, now a dragon comes and eats you.

00:22:22.000 I love it on TV. I don't know.

00:22:25.000 I think that if I read more fiction, I think it would help my vocabulary and I'd be a better communicator possibly, but I just don't attach to it.

00:22:35.000 Yeah, I like it.

00:22:36.000 I like preposterous science fiction-y type stuff.

00:22:40.000 I think that would be my way in.

00:22:42.000 Yeah.

00:22:42.000 Like stuff dealing with physics and future and technology stuff.

00:22:46.000 I like horror ones, too.

00:22:47.000 I was always a huge Stephen King fan, just because it's just such an escape, you know?

00:22:52.000 Like to read about something that's just fun but crazy, you know?

00:22:56.000 You just get lost in someone else's ideas, someone else's creativity.

00:23:01.000 And the only way they really get to express it fully is to just make up an entire world.

00:23:06.000 You know, whereas, like, if someone...

00:23:07.000 I mean, obviously, you're creative when you write a book about anything.

00:23:11.000 You could write a book about nature.

00:23:12.000 You could be a wildlife biologist that writes an amazing book about nature.

00:23:15.000 You could be creative in your telling of these stories and make it exciting.

00:23:19.000 This is kind of a difference to me.

00:23:21.000 When I'm listening to a song or I'm watching a movie or I'm reading a book, I always try to think this is someone's creativity.

00:23:30.000 Like, this is coming out of a person's brain.

00:23:32.000 Yeah, they invented this whole idea, this premise.

00:23:36.000 Yeah, that's fascinating to me.

00:23:38.000 I don't have a mind for that.

00:23:42.000 Well, people who are into creating movies especially, I think, that's a very specific mindset of looking at all these different things and going, oh yeah, I've got to piece these together, and I have to have an arc, and I have to have a hero, and I have to have this, and I have to have a, okay,

00:23:57.000 how do I mix this up?

00:23:59.000 How do I make it good?

00:24:00.000 I know.

00:24:01.000 When I watch Christopher Nolan or Quentin Tarantino or something like that, the story's so good, I'll get teary-eyed.

00:24:10.000 Just at the story structure.

00:24:13.000 And it'll end and be like, that was perfect.

00:24:15.000 That's exactly how it needed to end.

00:24:18.000 And I'm blown away by that, and jealous, because I can't imagine myself ever thinking of anything like that.

00:24:24.000 Yeah, no, there's some movies that you just walk out of there, you're like, I'm going to do better at whatever I do today, because I saw that movie.

00:24:30.000 Yeah.

00:24:30.000 You know who used to tell me that all the time?

00:24:32.000 It was Paul Mooney.

00:24:33.000 Paul Mooney used to always say that when he wanted to write, he would go get entertained.

00:24:37.000 He goes, go see a show, go see a live show, go to the movies, he goes, go be entertained, and then you'll write better.

00:24:43.000 Yeah, I mean, I thought that when I kind of got into doing more science stuff with my work, rather than just straight stand-up, I realized that, well, if you want to be interesting, like, read interesting things.

00:24:57.000 Be interested in interesting things, you know?

00:25:00.000 It just fills that well.

00:25:02.000 I want to talk to you about that, but before I talk to you, I don't want to forget about this.

00:25:06.000 We were talking about, I think we say Kratom.

00:25:10.000 I think we call it Kratom.

00:25:12.000 And this is something that is in the news right now because it's helped a lot of people overcome opiate addiction.

00:25:20.000 Yeah.

00:25:20.000 And they're about to make it Schedule 1, meaning that it has no medical...

00:25:28.000 Right, right.

00:25:29.000 Highly addictive, no medical use whatsoever.

00:25:31.000 Are you going to take it right now live on this podcast?

00:25:33.000 I'm going to take some right now.

00:25:34.000 It's legal to do.

00:25:35.000 Boy, they're going to get you retroactively.

00:25:38.000 I know, I know.

00:25:39.000 The statute of limitations on illegal drugs.

00:25:42.000 It takes like an hour to kick in, and this is a very mild dose.

00:25:47.000 It is 1223 at 123. I'm going to start asking you weird questions.

00:25:51.000 I'm already on some.

00:25:53.000 You're already on some before. 1.00

00:25:54.000 You're just taking this shit all day long? 1.00

00:25:56.000 No. 1.00

00:25:57.000 I take it before I do podcasts.

00:26:00.000 Oh, why?

00:26:00.000 Well, I still have some pain management issues from an injury.

00:26:04.000 Yeah, tell everybody about the injury because it's crazy.

00:26:06.000 It's a crazy story.

00:26:09.000 This was a couple years ago.

00:26:11.000 I was in the best shape of my life and I was rock climbing like three, four times a week and doing CrossFit and all this.

00:26:20.000 I've always been lanky like this my whole life and I actually had muscles for the first time in my life and just felt like Superman.

00:26:27.000 I was supposed to be rock climbing.

00:26:29.000 It was on my birthday and there were some fires in Sedona where the rock climbing was supposed to be.

00:26:36.000 So we went for a hike instead just to see a little bit of Sedona.

00:26:39.000 It was my first time there.

00:26:41.000 And I was out with my friend Mikey.

00:26:45.000 So he was like 300-400 pounds.

00:26:51.000 I think he was like 400 pounds.

00:26:54.000 His whole life he's been hugely obese.

00:26:57.000 And then he went on this diet that he just drank coffee with butter in it for...

00:27:05.000 Like, 40 days?

00:27:06.000 That's it?

00:27:07.000 That's all he ate?

00:27:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:08.000 He cracked himself out.

00:27:10.000 And then he, uh...

00:27:11.000 How much did he lose in 40 days?

00:27:13.000 Like...

00:27:13.000 A thousand pounds?

00:27:14.000 Like, 200 pounds.

00:27:15.000 What?

00:27:15.000 Like, he lost, like, all of his weight.

00:27:18.000 And then he was, like, a normal person.

00:27:20.000 That sounds crazy.

00:27:22.000 I know.

00:27:22.000 He lost 200 pounds in 40 days?

00:27:24.000 I don't know if it was that much.

00:27:25.000 It was significant.

00:27:27.000 It was like well over 100 pounds.

00:27:29.000 In 40 days?

00:27:30.000 Yeah.

00:27:31.000 And he, and then he, so then he started doing like jujitsu and started like becoming active for like the first time in his life.

00:27:39.000 Wow.

00:27:39.000 And was like all excited about this.

00:27:41.000 And so he was like, oh, I have this, there's this one shortcut that I want to take.

00:27:45.000 My wife will never let me.

00:27:47.000 And so let's, let's go and do that.

00:27:49.000 And My wife won't let me take a shortcut? 0.99

00:27:52.000 Because it was too high of a jump.

00:27:53.000 And we got to this.

00:27:56.000 And I looked.

00:27:58.000 And I was like, yeah, that's too high.

00:28:00.000 And he was like...

00:28:01.000 So because he's been so huge his whole life, he has no idea of how...

00:28:08.000 He's never been able to jump before. 0.96

00:28:12.000 And I know, because I'm an adrenaline junkie, I love heights, I've been climbing trees and jumping off shit my whole life. 0.71

00:28:19.000 And I was like, this is too high.

00:28:23.000 And he's like, I think if we, like, climb down a little, it'll be okay.

00:28:26.000 I'm like, I don't know.

00:28:27.000 And I was wearing barefoot running shoes at the time.

00:28:30.000 And then he was, like, determined he was going to do it.

00:28:32.000 And I was like...

00:28:33.000 So it was jumping from a cliff onto another cliff.

00:28:37.000 And so if...

00:28:38.000 You couldn't roll.

00:28:40.000 And if you landed it wrong and you rolled off, it was like...

00:28:44.000 Death.

00:28:44.000 Hundreds of feet.

00:28:45.000 Oh, Jesus fucking Christ. 0.99

00:28:47.000 And so now I'm like, I'm going to watch this guy roll off this cliff because he's new to physical activity. 1.00

00:28:55.000 He doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. 0.97

00:28:56.000 And he's about to jump off this thing that's too high. 0.99

00:28:59.000 On the other side, he's been carrying around an extra hundred plus pounds on his legs his whole life.

00:29:04.000 His legs are probably strong as hell.

00:29:05.000 Yeah, yeah, I imagine.

00:29:07.000 And it was weird because he had weird skin hanging off everywhere and stuff from stretch marks and stuff.

00:29:16.000 So he was determined.

00:29:18.000 And I was looking at it and I was like, you know what?

00:29:21.000 I think that I could make it.

00:29:23.000 Oh, jeez. 0.99

00:29:23.000 And then I can at least be there so he'd make sure he doesn't roll off this fucking cliff in front of me. 0.99

00:29:29.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

00:29:31.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, it's one of those things you feel like a fool in hindsight. 0.76

00:29:35.000 And I was like, you know, I've jumped off stuff higher than this.

00:29:39.000 It's just that I'm wearing bad shoes and I can't roll.

00:29:41.000 I'm going to have to take it with my feet.

00:29:43.000 And I even told him, I was like...

00:29:45.000 I'm gonna be risking breaking a heel because I broke a heel once before when I was like a teenager. 0.99

00:29:50.000 I love jumping off shit. 0.99

00:29:52.000 And so... 0.99

00:29:54.000 But it wasn't like the end of the world.

00:29:56.000 I was like, you know, if I break a heel, it won't.

00:30:00.000 I'll still be able to get around.

00:30:01.000 It's just like a couple-month thing.

00:30:03.000 And in my mind, this is the worst of what's going to happen.

00:30:07.000 And so I went for it, and I jumped, and I landed.

00:30:13.000 And as soon as I landed, I heard both of my heels break.

00:30:19.000 It just...

00:30:20.000 The sound shot through my body and I heard it like, it sounded like a branch like snapping underwater.

00:30:26.000 And I was, I think I was in shock or something because I just kind of turned and looked at him and I was like, I just broke both my heels.

00:30:35.000 And I said it just like that.

00:30:36.000 And so he thought I was like joking.

00:30:38.000 So he is just about to, I'm like, no, no, no.

00:30:40.000 I really broke both my heels.

00:30:41.000 You're going to have to go around and try to help me down.

00:30:44.000 And I started making my way down.

00:30:46.000 It took him like a half hour, 45 minutes to get to me.

00:30:49.000 And I had to kind of, Do you remember when you were in school, in gym class, did you have to do that crab walk thing where your belly's facing the air?

00:30:57.000 So I had my left foot just was already like five times its size within like 30 seconds.

00:31:04.000 And so I couldn't use that at all.

00:31:06.000 And then my right foot, I couldn't even tell if it was totally broken or if I just bruised it real bad.

00:31:12.000 But I was able to use my toes, thankfully.

00:31:15.000 And so I had to kind of like...

00:31:17.000 Uh, one foot crab walk, uh, down.

00:31:20.000 And then he got around to me and was, and like a couple people were trying to help me for a little bit, but it was too steep for anyone to help me.

00:31:28.000 So I just kind of had to make it down on my own.

00:31:30.000 Once we were at level ground, which took like three hours, um, of just like, it was an exceptionally annoying, uh, I mean, it was painful.

00:31:41.000 I'd scoot down for a little bit, and then I'd have to take a break for a few minutes and just roll around in the fetal position in pain.

00:31:50.000 And he was like... 0.96

00:31:57.000 He was like, so this was his dumb idea? 0.92

00:31:59.000 And on the way down, he's just standing there next to me, waiting for me, trying to lighten the mood by telling me jokes and stuff. 0.96

00:32:07.000 I'm like, dude, this is not the time for jokes. 0.97

00:32:11.000 I am fucking pissed right now. 0.96

00:32:13.000 And I was like, it's fine. 0.99

00:32:16.000 It's gonna be fine. 0.97

00:32:17.000 I just fucking need to focus and get through this. 0.98

00:32:20.000 And got down, went to the hospital. 0.98

00:32:22.000 I still, I mean, it hurt.

00:32:25.000 Real bad.

00:32:26.000 And we had to go to a second hospital because the one was too full.

00:32:29.000 And then, I mean, I thought it was bad, but I thought, I was like, this is more than just a little break.

00:32:39.000 This is like, this is a pretty big break.

00:32:41.000 And then the doctor came in and he's like, this is really serious.

00:32:45.000 And your heel's in like 20 pieces.

00:32:48.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:32:50.000 Do you have an x-ray so I can freak out?

00:32:52.000 Yeah, it's actually the...

00:32:54.000 Is it online?

00:32:55.000 I made an album about it called My Big Break.

00:32:58.000 Oh, look at this, Jamie. 1.00

00:32:59.000 You're on the fucking ball. 1.00

00:33:00.000 That's the cover art. 1.00

00:33:02.000 Oh, wow.

00:33:02.000 It's the x-ray of my heel.

00:33:04.000 Well, this is the x-ray post-surgery.

00:33:06.000 It's got all the screws and plates in it.

00:33:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:10.000 I imagine I have the originals around somewhere.

00:33:13.000 And maybe somewhere way back in my Facebook you could see some of the scars and stuff like that.

00:33:20.000 It's real gross.

00:33:21.000 I'm not sure if you'd be able to find it or not.

00:33:25.000 So they put these metal plates in and kind of screwed in the bigger pieces of the bone that were still there.

00:33:33.000 Like where they wanted them to be eventually because it's you can't just put the bone It's like if you if you snap like a candy bar and try to put it together There's all these crumbs and stuff like that missing and so they just kind of put it in place where it was supposed to be and and and they're like well,

00:33:50.000 hopefully it just kind of grows back and comes together right and and it did really the real issue was so they The way they did the surgery, they told me ahead of time.

00:34:04.000 He's taking his shoes off, ladies and gentlemen.

00:34:05.000 It's a first.

00:34:06.000 You see that?

00:34:06.000 What am I looking at?

00:34:07.000 Right here?

00:34:08.000 Yeah, what is that?

00:34:09.000 That's from where they went in with the surgery.

00:34:12.000 Oh, okay.

00:34:12.000 So, they said they didn't want to do the surgery at first, because they were like, this is really complicated surgery, but if we don't do it...

00:34:21.000 I don't think you're ever going to walk right again.

00:34:24.000 Why did they not want to do it?

00:34:26.000 They weren't qualified to do it?

00:34:27.000 Is that the idea?

00:34:28.000 No, this guy was like...

00:34:29.000 I got referrals and this guy was like as good of...

00:34:33.000 Go further back than that.

00:34:35.000 There's some real disgusting stuff.

00:34:38.000 So...

00:34:41.000 Just the area that it's in.

00:34:44.000 And so there's this...

00:34:46.000 It's like a 90 degree angle that they have to cut in.

00:34:49.000 In the corner of it...

00:34:50.000 Oh, there we go.

00:34:52.000 That doesn't look good.

00:34:53.000 And that was like...

00:34:55.000 That was like months and months later, too.

00:34:58.000 What?

00:34:58.000 So this is post-surgery?

00:35:00.000 This is like four months after the fact.

00:35:02.000 That's still what it looked like.

00:35:03.000 It looks like it's dead tissue.

00:35:05.000 Yeah, a lot of scar tissue and stuff.

00:35:06.000 So see where it's open there?

00:35:07.000 And that corner ripped open there.

00:35:09.000 Like, I hope this corner doesn't rip open, because this sometimes happens with this surgery.

00:35:14.000 And if it does, you're going to be really susceptible to infection.

00:35:18.000 Right.

00:35:18.000 And so I had...

00:35:20.000 I couldn't...

00:35:20.000 When I... At the time I lived in Malibu and my place had like 50 steps and there's no way I could like get up with groceries and everything with two broken feet.

00:35:29.000 I could get around on crutches a little bit but I ended up having to spend like three months in my parents basement because I couldn't care for myself or anything so like on top of having to cancel three months of work We don't have a safety net.

00:35:47.000 And having no income.

00:35:49.000 It was actually like, I'm very grateful for my parents.

00:35:54.000 But it's just embarrassing when you're like, I had to move into my parents' basement.

00:35:59.000 I'm sure they understand, though. 0.86

00:36:01.000 This is not like you were a loser and couldn't wake up on time for your job.

00:36:06.000 You lost your apartment. 1.00

00:36:08.000 This is just, fuck, man. 1.00

00:36:10.000 The worst part of it. 1.00

00:36:11.000 How long did it take you to start walking again?

00:36:13.000 So after three months, I got back on the road, and there was still this little kind of wound that had opened up.

00:36:23.000 It wasn't healing, and then I started...

00:36:25.000 It was just taking...

00:36:27.000 They told me it was going to take at least six months to...

00:36:32.000 Start walking.

00:36:33.000 And it ended up taking much longer than that because so about four or five months in I got on the road and then a doctor thought that maybe I was getting just a topical infection and gave me some Stuff that wasn't good enough for the infection.

00:36:52.000 And then I started...

00:36:54.000 So about four or five months later, I started having fevers.

00:36:58.000 And then I went into the hospital.

00:37:00.000 And then they're like, you have a bone infection.

00:37:02.000 And I was like, oh, God.

00:37:04.000 Because they're like, this is really serious because that's when you can lose your foot and stuff.

00:37:09.000 If they can't stop the infection, they just have to cut it off.

00:37:12.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:37:13.000 Came back, canceled all my work again, came back to L.A. They did a surgery, and I was really thankful that I'd happened to sign up for the health care.

00:37:26.000 This was right when the universal health care just came out.

00:37:28.000 Otherwise, I'd be bankrupt from it, but it was still, certainly, it was not perfect.

00:37:33.000 At all.

00:37:34.000 They wouldn't let me do stuff out of state.

00:37:35.000 I had to get myself back to California.

00:37:39.000 What do you mean by stuff out of state?

00:37:40.000 You mean surgical procedure?

00:37:41.000 Surgery and hospital checkups I had to pay.

00:37:45.000 You had to do them in California because of your insurance?

00:37:47.000 Yeah.

00:37:47.000 And so when I was in Wisconsin, I had to pay out-of-pocket for that.

00:37:51.000 And it's kind of not supposed to be that way either.

00:37:56.000 I mean, I would call and try to, and the insurance company would be like, you need this one form.

00:38:01.000 Okay.

00:38:01.000 I'd call this company and they'd be like, yeah, only doctors can get that form.

00:38:05.000 And so I'd tell my doctor and he'd be like, no, you can get that.

00:38:08.000 You have to go here.

00:38:09.000 And then it was like around and around.

00:38:10.000 Sometimes I'd have to like pretend I was the doctor. 0.98

00:38:13.000 When I was on the phone with people just to get this fucking form that I'd need. 0.98

00:38:17.000 And so I paid out of pocket. 0.98

00:38:18.000 So I was like, you know, getting medical bills that were piling up.

00:38:22.000 And so the second surgery, what they did was they just cut out.

00:38:26.000 They took out the hardware.

00:38:28.000 That's what got infected.

00:38:29.000 And then they kind of...

00:38:32.000 Where the holes were from the screws.

00:38:34.000 They kind of drilled those out a little bit.

00:38:36.000 And then they just cut off...

00:38:38.000 They cut as big of a hole as they possibly could in my foot to suck out as much of the infection as possible.

00:38:45.000 And so I thought I was going to be in a hospital for...

00:38:48.000 And I still hadn't walked at this point.

00:38:50.000 And then I thought I was going to be...

00:38:51.000 They were like, you'll be in a hospital for like a week and a half or so, two weeks.

00:38:56.000 And I was like, okay, fine.

00:38:58.000 I'm like, I'm in...

00:38:59.000 Finally, someone's going to be taking care of me.

00:39:02.000 We're just going to get this done right.

00:39:03.000 I have my computer.

00:39:04.000 I was in good spirits and getting a lot of work done and stuff.

00:39:09.000 And then two days later, they were like, your insurance is saying that they think you're better and you need to go home.

00:39:16.000 And now we need to show you how to care for yourself.

00:39:19.000 So they had to train me on how to...

00:39:22.000 I had to give myself IV antibiotics three times a day.

00:39:26.000 What?

00:39:26.000 Yeah, they put lines in my arm, and I had to make sure that they were sanitary all the time.

00:39:35.000 Wait a minute.

00:39:36.000 Hold on a second.

00:39:37.000 That's a complex medical procedure.

00:39:39.000 Giving yourself an IV? Dude, I had to Google it.

00:39:42.000 I fucking Googled how to do it. 0.97

00:39:44.000 What's the name of your insurance company? 0.99

00:39:47.000 I don't know.

00:39:48.000 Do I have the...

00:39:51.000 That's insane.

00:39:54.000 So that's the other thing, is I have like two different insurance companies.

00:39:58.000 So this is like Health Net, and then there's like this Lakeside Medical Group.

00:40:01.000 So you don't know which one was the company?

00:40:03.000 And I never know which one is like, I'd call one and they'd be like, no, that's your other company.

00:40:08.000 I'd call the other one, no, that's this company.

00:40:10.000 It was just a year of dealing with this. 1.00

00:40:13.000 So because of the fact that this was so expensive, they just decided to say, fuck this guy. 0.99

00:40:17.000 Let's make him do all the medical stuff himself. 0.99

00:40:19.000 Yeah, they were like...

00:40:20.000 I've never heard of that before.

00:40:22.000 They were like, well, he's a young guy.

00:40:23.000 He seems like he's in good spirits and healthy.

00:40:26.000 He seems like a bright guy.

00:40:27.000 He could take care of himself.

00:40:29.000 I think it was the logic behind it.

00:40:32.000 And so let's get him out of here because it's expensive.

00:40:34.000 Could you fight it?

00:40:35.000 What's that?

00:40:36.000 Could you fight it?

00:40:37.000 I tried.

00:40:37.000 I was like, I can't do this on my own.

00:40:40.000 When they showed me what I had to do, it was, so once I'd get the IVs hooked up, and I'd have to figure out how to get bubbles out of the lines and stuff like that.

00:40:48.000 I was Googling, how do you get bubbles out of the lines?

00:40:52.000 That's literally what I said.

00:40:53.000 Then I had to, the first time they showed me what I had to do, I couldn't believe it.

00:40:59.000 They're like, now watch this, because you're going to have to do this yourself.

00:41:02.000 And then, so this huge hole in my foot was packed full of gauze, and they started pulling out this gauze.

00:41:08.000 I didn't know how big the hole was at first, but then it was like one of those magic scarves that kept on coming.

00:41:16.000 And then they're like, so you're going to need to take this out, and then look in here, look in your hole, you're going to need to clean it out, and clean off your bone and stuff.

00:41:25.000 Oh, Jesus, you can see your bones.

00:41:27.000 Oh yeah, I had to like scrub it off. 1.00

00:41:30.000 And then I had to pack it full of shit again. 0.99

00:41:35.000 And all this with like wearing gloves and a mask and everything like that. 0.99

00:41:41.000 And then I'd have to like put a rubber thing on to take a shower.

00:41:46.000 I had to do this three times a day.

00:41:47.000 And then I couldn't sleep either because I needed the IV antibiotics had to be every eight hours and it took two hours to do them.

00:41:54.000 And so I could never get like a full eight It took two hours to set it up?

00:42:02.000 It took two hours for the IV fluids to go in.

00:42:05.000 Oh, to kick in.

00:42:06.000 So I'd hang up these bags and stuff.

00:42:10.000 I'd hook up the IVs.

00:42:11.000 Then I'd spend 20 minutes with my foothold.

00:42:15.000 And then after a few weeks of that...

00:42:19.000 See, they would always be like, Okay, we can get you another home visit or something like that.

00:42:26.000 It would be like a week after I actually needed it.

00:42:29.000 Because then I got this vacuum suction cup thing that they put on my feet.

00:42:35.000 And it just kind of sucks all the infection stuff out.

00:42:41.000 And...

00:42:44.000 It closes up and creates blood flow into that area.

00:42:49.000 Things actually work amazingly well.

00:42:52.000 So then I had this device and a vacuum and I started performing again. 0.93

00:42:58.000 I'd have to take this vacuum off myself and close up my fucking foothold and then go on stage and perform and then get off and put this vacuum back on. 0.94

00:43:09.000 I remember... 0.99

00:43:11.000 Because I had, before I, before I, I went through a big breakup before I broke my feet.

00:43:21.000 And when I, and I had been in like 12 years of relationships.

00:43:24.000 And so I was like, I'm not dating for a year.

00:43:27.000 I'm not going to have sex.

00:43:28.000 I'm not going to think about women for a year. 0.59

00:43:31.000 I'm just going to get my head straight.

00:43:32.000 And I did that.

00:43:34.000 It was great.

00:43:35.000 Got tons of work done.

00:43:36.000 And then, then when I started getting back into things.

00:43:39.000 You broke your feet.

00:43:40.000 It was. 0.95

00:43:40.000 No, I had already, I broke my feet during this time, which helped when, like, you don't have a sex drive when both of your feet are broken. 0.95

00:43:49.000 And then, but when I started getting back into it, like, I remember I brought a girl back to I went back to my hotel when I still had this fucking vacuum on my foot and I was just like, it was fucking awkward. 0.92

00:44:04.000 And I hadn't had sex in like a year or two, so I'm like trying to figure out how to have sex again. 0.99

00:44:08.000 I got a fucking vacuum attached to my foothold. 0.97

00:44:11.000 What was your health like? 0.99

00:44:13.000 I mean, what kind of like energy levels did you have?

00:44:15.000 It would seem like if you're going through, your body's trying to repair itself for such a long period of time, it has to wear on you, right?

00:44:21.000 Yeah, I mean, it was more just the depression of it all and the stress was harder than...

00:44:28.000 I was getting plenty of sleep and stuff, but it was a depressing time.

00:44:32.000 But ultimately, it was kind of good, in a way.

00:44:37.000 Character building?

00:44:38.000 A little bit.

00:44:39.000 I mean, I got a good album out of it.

00:44:43.000 I... So, I mean, when I started in Boston, when I started doing comedy, I was, like, fearless.

00:44:49.000 I would do, like, the ballsiest stuff, always trying new material, and I just did not give a shit, and I got a lot of attention for it, and I caught some breaks early on.

00:44:59.000 And once I started making money and doing The Road, it was like... 0.96

00:45:03.000 Then you're worried about, like, getting negative comment cards and all this shit, and that's like my livelihood.

00:45:09.000 And it was just watering down what I was doing, and I wasn't fearless on stage anymore. 0.99

00:45:18.000 So after breaking my feet and having three months at my parents' house, it kind of was just like, I don't give a fuck anymore. 0.97

00:45:24.000 I'm just doing exactly what I want to do. 0.95

00:45:26.000 And it really created a change in my career.

00:45:31.000 I thought that album and the new act that I'm doing now are the best that I've ever been.

00:45:36.000 How long ago was the incident and the accident, and how long did it take you to recover?

00:45:41.000 So it was two years ago in May.

00:45:45.000 And then I... About one year in, I started using a cane.

00:45:53.000 That was really hard when I started using a cane because I was like, yes, light at the end of the tunnel!

00:46:00.000 And then I realized, oh, every other step that I take for the rest of my life, I think, is going to hurt.

00:46:06.000 Just every other step. 1.00

00:46:09.000 That's why I take Kratom before a podcast because there's always a part of my brain that That can't stop thinking about my stupid fucking foot. 1.00

00:46:18.000 So is it hurting you right now? 1.00

00:46:20.000 No.

00:46:21.000 Right now it feels fine.

00:46:22.000 But when you walk here?

00:46:24.000 Well, the cardam helps.

00:46:25.000 But if I'm not on that, most days it's just like having a pretty sore foot.

00:46:31.000 And then some days, like probably now it's coming along better than I thought it would actually.

00:46:37.000 About three days out of a month.

00:46:39.000 I have this streak, and I don't know what causes it.

00:46:41.000 I don't know if it's inactivity, the weather, whatever.

00:46:44.000 I have a streak of three days where I should be using a cane again.

00:46:49.000 If you saw me, you'd be like, what's wrong with that guy?

00:46:52.000 Years later.

00:46:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:55.000 About a year and a half after I started using a cane.

00:46:58.000 I was on a cane for about six months, and then I started going without the cane and just using it sometimes.

00:47:06.000 It's been quite an ordeal.

00:47:08.000 Are you doing any exercising?

00:47:11.000 Actually, as crazy as this might sound, I got back into rock climbing.

00:47:16.000 I know how that sounds.

00:47:19.000 Hear me out!

00:47:21.000 I only do indoor stuff.

00:47:23.000 So here's what I can't do.

00:47:24.000 I can't run or jump.

00:47:26.000 I can't do any quick activities, and I couldn't do like squats or anything like that on it.

00:47:32.000 But what I can do is slow, deliberate movement.

00:47:37.000 That will help with flexibility.

00:47:39.000 Right now it's mostly flexibility and mobility issues and nerve damage issues.

00:47:44.000 Like the bone's totally fine.

00:47:46.000 Can you stand on your tippy toes?

00:47:49.000 Can you stand on the balls of your feet?

00:47:51.000 I can a little bit.

00:47:53.000 On my bad foot, I can't do a calf raise, like a one-legged calf raise.

00:47:58.000 Could you...

00:48:00.000 Could you bend down with your heels up?

00:48:03.000 Could you go all the way down?

00:48:05.000 Could you stay on the balls of your feet and then go down a squat position with your heels off the ground?

00:48:12.000 A little bit.

00:48:14.000 What I was thinking, there's a thing called a Hindu squat.

00:48:16.000 And what a Hindu squat is, it's a bodyweight squat, and I'm a big proponent of it.

00:48:20.000 I love them.

00:48:21.000 I do them all the time.

00:48:22.000 And I do them in sets of like 150, 160. Sometimes when I'm in really good shape, I do 200 at a time.

00:48:30.000 And then I do, this is my main leg workouts.

00:48:33.000 I do those, and then I do kettlebell squats afterwards.

00:48:36.000 But the thing about the Hindu squats is it's all body weight. 1.00

00:48:39.000 You don't use any weight.

00:48:40.000 Sometimes I put a weight vest on, but most of the time I don't do any weight.

00:48:43.000 But if you look at that diagram up there, you see when you go down...

00:48:48.000 Your heels come off the ground.

00:48:50.000 Your hands go behind your heels.

00:48:53.000 And then as you go up, your hands stay parallel to the floor in front of you.

00:48:57.000 So as you go up, you push off with the balls of your feet, not with your heel.

00:49:01.000 So as opposed to a regular squat, if you had weight behind your back with a bar, that weight would be on your heel.

00:49:08.000 You would actually concentrate on keeping it on your heel.

00:49:12.000 Keeping your you know when I do squats like with weight I look up I always look straight up so I make sure that my spine's in alignment But there's a lot of weight on your heel there.

00:49:21.000 Yeah, yeah Well, actually that doesn't the weight on the heel that like the heels totally fine It's it's more of a mobility issue and and like all the tendons and stuff like that that they went through during the surgery and all the nerve damage from it So like actually going up on my toes is is one of the harder parts Maybe it'd be a good thing to break everything up in there.

00:49:44.000 Yeah.

00:49:45.000 When I do like a really intense hike, my foot feels better.

00:49:50.000 Oh, man.

00:49:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:51.000 Well, you should definitely do these then.

00:49:53.000 Yeah.

00:49:53.000 I guarantee you they would help.

00:49:55.000 I want to get on the fucking Joe Rogan program. 0.99

00:49:58.000 All right, dude. 0.99

00:50:00.000 Give me a rundown of everything I need to do.

00:50:03.000 I was in the best shape of my life, and this whole thing made me fall out of all of it, and I would love to get back there again.

00:50:10.000 I guarantee you, if it's just a mobility issue, if you don't have actual pain in your heel, I bet you can get back to it.

00:50:15.000 Because I know a lot of guys have plates all over their body.

00:50:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:18.000 They have all sorts of different things holding their bones together, and they get back into full shape.

00:50:22.000 Yeah, and I do.

00:50:23.000 I need to break up the scar tissue and all that kind of stuff.

00:50:26.000 See this woman here? 1.00

00:50:27.000 Okay, she's doing it wrong, because you're actually supposed to go on the balls of your feet, and you're supposed to drop your ass all the way down to the back of your calves. 0.98

00:50:39.000 People doing YouTube things don't even know how to do it right. 0.96

00:50:41.000 There's a guy named Matt Fury.

00:50:42.000 He's kind of an odd duck, but he's a big proponent of them.

00:50:46.000 He's got a bunch of videos of him doing it online.

00:50:49.000 Here you go.

00:50:49.000 That's how you do it.

00:50:50.000 See how's this guy?

00:50:51.000 As he goes down, his heels come off the ground, and then he touches the ground in a circular motion, and then he brings his arms parallel in front of him.

00:50:58.000 These are great.

00:50:59.000 I think I could do that.

00:51:00.000 They're super easy for, like, the first 10, and then 20 gets a little harder, and then 30 gets a little harder, and then 40 gets a little harder. 0.99

00:51:08.000 And then you start hitting, like, 90, and you go, okay, I got 60 more of these motherfuckers to go, and then, you know... 0.99

00:51:14.000 Your legs get super fatigued. 0.99

00:51:16.000 But that's like what I like to do for legs.

00:51:19.000 I start off with kettlebell swings just to sort of get everything loosened up.

00:51:23.000 I do it light for a couple sets.

00:51:24.000 Then I do heavy ones.

00:51:26.000 And then from there, everything's all warmed up and loosened up.

00:51:30.000 Then I get into those Hindu squats. 0.99

00:51:32.000 Because I feel like that's something that's always hard to do.

00:51:36.000 I went hiking in Nevada with...

00:51:40.000 Couple friends of mine that were very fit my friend Dan Doty Who was we were doing a TV show up there and he's that he was the cameraman and he was much better Than me at doing these hill things and I was realizing while I was doing like god damn it This is a very specific thing like if you do it all the time If you,

00:51:57.000 like, cameramen especially, they get in some really incredible shape and they do these outdoor shows because they're constantly carrying this camera and walking around.

00:52:06.000 So if you were doing a show on hiking and you had a guy following you, this guy has to follow you, all the stuff you're doing. 0.99

00:52:12.000 Plus, he's carrying a big-ass fucking camera. 0.98

00:52:15.000 As he's sitting there shooting what's supposed to be you doing some impressive thing. 1.00

00:52:19.000 Yeah.

00:52:20.000 Like, I'm the one with 60 pounds on me.

00:52:22.000 He's the real athlete.

00:52:24.000 But just the ability to pick your body up and down, like, for long periods of time, just hiking.

00:52:30.000 You know, like, you could lift weights, and you could do a lot of stuff that you feel like, oh, I'm in pretty good shape.

00:52:35.000 But it's the monotonous grind of hours and hours of going up hills.

00:52:39.000 You go, whoa, this is something different.

00:52:41.000 Well, it also, with hiking, your foot goes in all these unpredictable angles, and that is what's helping the most.

00:52:49.000 I do stretches and stuff like that, but I feel like the stretches, I'm not mixing it up enough.

00:52:56.000 Yoga's been helping.

00:52:57.000 When I got back into rock climbing, my gym had a yoga class, so I was able to do that again.

00:53:01.000 Can you balance on one foot?

00:53:03.000 A little bit.

00:53:04.000 Not very well.

00:53:05.000 Does it get shaky?

00:53:06.000 Yeah.

00:53:09.000 Fortunately, it was my dominant leg that got hurt, so I think it will keep on recovering well because there's a little more strength to start with.

00:53:17.000 But my calf is pretty atrophied and everything.

00:53:20.000 So I just also have to get a lot of strength back.

00:53:24.000 When I fell out of exercising, I've been a little lazy about it, too.

00:53:29.000 Isn't it interesting how easy that is to do?

00:53:31.000 Like, even for me, like, I've been exercising my whole life, but if I take a few days off, I know I have to get back to it.

00:53:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:53:38.000 But part of me is like, come on, man, fuck this. 1.00

00:53:42.000 I've never been an exercise guy, but I was probably working out, like... 1.00

00:53:48.000 That's crazy!

00:53:50.000 That's amazing!

00:54:07.000 I'm vaping now.

00:54:09.000 After I started drinking again, cigarettes followed shortly after. 0.99

00:54:14.000 And so I've been smoking cigarettes for about a year, which I fucking can't stand cigarettes.

00:54:19.000 And so I've been vaping, and I'm hoping in like three months I'll be able to go from vaping to... 0.70

00:54:24.000 Chew?

00:54:26.000 I don't think I want to do the dip.

00:54:28.000 I tried dip recently.

00:54:30.000 It gives you quite a buzz.

00:54:31.000 It's interesting stuff.

00:54:32.000 I accidentally swallowed it.

00:54:35.000 One of the most interesting things that I learned from the injury was how your physical...

00:54:44.000 Health or well-being alters your perception of the world.

00:54:51.000 Have you ever heard of this study?

00:54:52.000 They do the hot and cold cup study where they have someone come in to fill out a survey.

00:54:58.000 That's what they tell them.

00:54:59.000 And then a person gets in an elevator and there's someone in there, like a confederate, an actor, is in there that's like, here, my hands are full.

00:55:10.000 Could you hold this cup for me?

00:55:11.000 And it's either like a hot A cup of coffee or whatever, or a cold drink?

00:55:15.000 And the person's like, sure, takes the drink.

00:55:17.000 Goes up the elevator, gets off, gives it back to them, you know, says bye, goes in, takes the survey, and then afterwards, and this is what it's actually about, afterwards they go, did you meet anyone on the way in?

00:55:30.000 And they're like, actually, I met someone in the elevator, and then they'll be like, so...

00:55:36.000 Can you describe that person?

00:55:38.000 And if they had the hot drink, they would more often describe them as being warm or friendly.

00:55:48.000 And if they had the cold drink, they would describe them as cold or distant.

00:55:53.000 And the idea is that the way our brains...

00:56:00.000 Evolved kind of these higher ideas of what like being distant as a personality trait or whatever means has to be built over this pre-existing kind of five senses kind of software.

00:56:15.000 And so there's all these metaphors.

00:56:18.000 So you call someone like bright or you say we're having a deep conversation or someone's shallow.

00:56:24.000 So a lot of these ways in which we describe life is... 0.97

00:56:28.000 is kind of used through these physical metaphors and I remember when I when I broke my feet I remember thinking The whole fucking world is broken. 0.96

00:56:40.000 Like, I remember thinking...

00:56:42.000 Like, I was going down this mountain for like three hours, and I wasn't just worried about my feet. 0.99

00:56:48.000 I was also like, in the fucking political system, isn't it? 0.98

00:56:51.000 Like, everything just seemed broken. 0.99

00:56:53.000 Like, the whole world.

00:56:55.000 And then I also remember, after I got the second surgery, after the bone infection and stuff, and having to change all this, I remember feeling like...

00:57:03.000 Like, something...

00:57:05.000 Like...

00:57:07.000 This nagging feeling that I couldn't get over.

00:57:09.000 I was like, something's missing from my life.

00:57:12.000 There's just this deep hole somewhere in my soul. 0.99

00:57:17.000 And then one day I realized, I'm like, oh, there's a fucking hole in my foot. 0.99

00:57:21.000 There's an actual hole in my foot. 0.98

00:57:23.000 That's what's missing.

00:57:25.000 And just how much that your physical senses can alter what your perception of the world is.

00:57:33.000 For sure.

00:57:33.000 How you feel physically.

00:57:35.000 Yeah.

00:57:36.000 It changes how you interact with other people.

00:57:38.000 It changes how people perceive you.

00:57:40.000 It changes the kind of conversations you have because maybe you'll have more enthusiasm or energy or friendliness or whatever it is when you engage with people.

00:57:50.000 Yeah, and then you can have two broken feet and they can give you morphine and you can be like, oh, life's fine.

00:57:55.000 It's gonna be great.

00:57:56.000 Morphine did it?

00:57:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:57.000 How do you go from morphine to this kratom stuff?

00:58:00.000 This Kratom stuff I just discovered like three weeks ago.

00:58:02.000 I haven't taken painkillers and this isn't...

00:58:07.000 I don't know.

00:58:08.000 I think the research is out on it.

00:58:09.000 I'm not saying people should do Kratom.

00:58:11.000 It's working for me.

00:58:12.000 Do you ever try cannabis?

00:58:15.000 Edible cannabis?

00:58:16.000 Yeah, I like edibles.

00:58:18.000 I'm not a big weed smoker.

00:58:20.000 I probably smoke like twice a week maybe at the most.

00:58:23.000 That's hilarious.

00:58:24.000 That's only in California can you say that.

00:58:25.000 I'm not a big weed smoker.

00:58:27.000 I take days off.

00:58:28.000 I have, like, I probably, yeah, probably once or twice a week I have, like, a hit of weed.

00:58:33.000 Okay.

00:58:34.000 But edibles help a bit, and the CBDs, I don't know if, I can't tell if the CBDs are helping or not.

00:58:42.000 It seems like they do a little bit, but I'm still experimenting with some of that stuff.

00:58:46.000 The Kratom, I just, I was just in, I was in Wilmington, North Carolina, doing this Dead Crow Club, and I had When I'm doing lots of stand-up and on my feet in one place is when it seems to have a lot of trouble.

00:59:02.000 And I was just bitching about it because it was one of those three days where I was just having a rough few days with it.

00:59:10.000 And they were like, you should go to the Kratom bar.

00:59:12.000 I was like, what's that?

00:59:13.000 Kratom.

00:59:13.000 Yeah, they have these bars that they have like kava and kratom and stuff.

00:59:18.000 And so I went pretty skeptical, especially when something's legal.

00:59:21.000 I'm like, okay, that's not going to do anything.

00:59:25.000 And I had some and right away it was...

00:59:32.000 Within an hour, I was like, oh, my foot feels perfect right now.

00:59:36.000 And I walk just like a normal person when I'm on the stuff.

00:59:39.000 I'm a little skeptical.

00:59:40.000 I imagine there's some addictive...

00:59:43.000 I had a scientist send me a paper about it, and I guess there are some side effects.

00:59:47.000 I haven't read them all yet, but it's just not near what any other painkiller is.

00:59:51.000 Why are they making it a Schedule 1?

00:59:53.000 Is there a real issue that people could die from it?

00:59:55.000 What's the LD50? Which is, if people don't know, lethal dose at 50%, meaning that if you give 100 rats a certain amount, 50% of them are going to die at a certain level.

01:00:07.000 Yeah, I have no idea.

01:00:09.000 I haven't done enough research into it.

01:00:12.000 And I imagine it's not that well studied, which I understand why the FDA or whatever can't just have companies making who knows what they're putting in a bottle.

01:00:24.000 I get that.

01:00:26.000 But, I mean, if you look at what people are saying about Kratom, people that are...

01:00:33.000 Trying to manage their pain and nothing else works or everything else is really addictive or makes them woozy or whatever.

01:00:40.000 This stuff is like, I feel very energetic and enthusiastic and just sharper than normal when I do it.

01:00:47.000 How does it help people get off of opiates?

01:00:50.000 Because it's a partial opiate.

01:00:54.000 Partial opiate?

01:00:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:56.000 I don't know exactly what that means.

01:00:58.000 But you take this stuff all the time.

01:00:59.000 How come you're not reading things on it?

01:01:03.000 Seems like you're a smart guy.

01:01:04.000 Yeah, I've probably taken it like 15 times now.

01:01:07.000 That's it?

01:01:08.000 Yeah, yeah, something like that.

01:01:09.000 But you took it twice in front of me.

01:01:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:13.000 Well, I call that once.

01:01:17.000 We'll count that as one.

01:01:20.000 It's going to be illegal next month, so I'm like, I'm going to try this stuff and see how it feels.

01:01:24.000 What's the justification?

01:01:26.000 Is there any justification for the Schedule 1 classification?

01:01:29.000 Is it something that people need to worry about?

01:01:31.000 I mean, if you look at how the DEA just didn't reschedule marijuana, which is, think about it, if you're them, if you reschedule marijuana, it's basically like you're saying, hey, should we just get rid of our own jobs?

01:01:47.000 You know, should we just make a law that gets rid of our jobs? 1.00

01:01:53.000 And that's a cynical way of looking at it.

01:01:55.000 That's a cynical way of looking at it. 1.00

01:01:56.000 The people who aren't aware of the reality of all the facts and statistics, they will look at you and go, well, that's ridiculous hippie bullshit. 0.99

01:02:03.000 But no, no, it's not. 0.99

01:02:04.000 No, that is what's going on.

01:02:06.000 There's no other way around it.

01:02:09.000 Yeah.

01:02:09.000 I mean, the MAPS organization, which is actually sponsoring my tour that I'm doing, they...

01:02:17.000 When I've had them on...

01:02:18.000 Explain what that is.

01:02:19.000 MAPS, a multidisciplinary...

01:02:20.000 Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies.

01:02:23.000 And they're the ones doing, like, the MDMA trials and stuff for PTSD and whatnot.

01:02:28.000 And they say they actually like working with the FDA. Like, the FDA is not the problem at all.

01:02:35.000 It's the DEA. Well, a bunch of cops.

01:02:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:38.000 Listen, one of the big issues with medical marijuana or legalizing marijuana is prison guard unions, which is kind of hilarious.

01:02:45.000 Yeah.

01:02:46.000 It's like they're literally trying to keep things illegal so that they keep their jobs so they have more hours.

01:02:52.000 Exactly.

01:02:52.000 It's crazy.

01:02:53.000 It's, again, one of those things that shouldn't be legal, just like advertising drugs.

01:02:56.000 Well, when Nixon scheduled it in the first place, he hired a team of scientists and all of these different politicians and different experts in different fields to advise him.

01:03:10.000 And then they advised him to not schedule it, to have it be legal and focus on treatment for things.

01:03:17.000 And he was like, nope, we've got to get rid of these hippies. 1.00

01:03:21.000 Well, that's what it did.

01:03:22.000 It really...

01:03:22.000 And this was something that came out over the last year.

01:03:25.000 I don't know if it was the Freedom of Information Act or whatever it was, but they released some papers that showed that what the drug war was truly all about was the civil rights movement and the hippies.

01:03:34.000 The anti-war movement and the civil rights movement.

01:03:36.000 And that they were trying to attack the leaders of the civil rights movement and the leaders of the anti-war movement.

01:03:42.000 And one thing they all had in common was marijuana.

01:03:45.000 And LSD. Yeah.

01:03:47.000 And mushrooms, I'm sure, too.

01:03:48.000 So that's when the sweeping psychedelics act of 1970 was passed.

01:03:52.000 It was all passed under the guise of attacking the political forces that were trying to take Nixon out of office. 1.00

01:03:58.000 Nixon was such a piece of shit. 1.00

01:04:00.000 He was such a horrible, horrible piece of shit. 1.00

01:04:03.000 Clearly. 1.00

01:04:04.000 When you go back and see what that guy did and who he was and what he stood for, it's wow.

01:04:10.000 When you're getting impeached or have to resign, wouldn't you go back and look at the things that he did and be like, you know what, maybe we do a redo on that whole presidency and whatever he did, we re-examine that?

01:04:24.000 Yeah, all the different things that he was involved in.

01:04:26.000 Yeah, they should have gone over every one of his, everything that he passed with a fine-tooth comb. 0.98

01:04:30.000 You had a crook in office. 0.98

01:04:31.000 I'm not a crook! 1.00

01:04:33.000 He was a real crook, real scary guy.

01:04:35.000 I have my take on why all of that happened was because of psychedelics. 0.90

01:04:42.000 Psychedelics have this testable effect on it.

01:04:45.000 A person's openness.

01:04:48.000 So if there's a big five personality indicator, it's not perfect by any means.

01:04:54.000 But it's used quite a bit in psychology.

01:04:57.000 So you have conscientiousness.

01:04:59.000 Like I'm low in conscientiousness.

01:05:01.000 I'm a very disorganized person.

01:05:04.000 I'm kind of messy.

01:05:06.000 Agreeableness.

01:05:07.000 I'm a little low in agreeableness.

01:05:08.000 I like to argue with people and stuff.

01:05:10.000 And then there's stability or sometimes called neuroticism.

01:05:13.000 I'm in the middle there.

01:05:14.000 And then there's extroversion also in the middle.

01:05:16.000 And then there's openness.

01:05:17.000 So if you're very high in openness, that means not only are you not averse to novelty or you can't get enough of it, you love...

01:05:46.000 Are you a tarot card reader?

01:05:49.000 Yeah, I know.

01:05:50.000 It sounds a lot like tarot cards.

01:05:51.000 And really, some of these things shouldn't be taken much more seriously than tarot cards, but it does do a nice job.

01:05:58.000 So you ask people questions like, do you consider yourself a clean person?

01:06:03.000 Like, strongly agree, strongly disagree, wherever in between.

01:06:06.000 And so you're filling out questions like that, and that's how it's kind of determining.

01:06:10.000 And it's self-evaluation, which there's problems there.

01:06:12.000 Or there's a website called Apply Applesauce.

01:06:16.000 You go to it and plug it in, and it goes through everything you've liked on Facebook and kind of determines your personality traits based on that.

01:06:24.000 So if you're really low on openness, you're like the kind of person that's always been in their hometown, kind of, why go anywhere else?

01:06:31.000 This is great.

01:06:32.000 Traveling is scary to you.

01:06:34.000 Your country's the best.

01:06:34.000 You haven't been to other countries, but you know that your country is the best.

01:06:38.000 Whatever church you're brought up in is absolutely the right one. 0.99

01:06:41.000 The other ones kind of sound ridiculous. 0.90

01:06:42.000 And outsiders are very scary.

01:06:45.000 And one thing that psychedelics have been pretty well studied to do now is that a single dose of psychedelics will, for a good amount of time, often a year, sometimes for the rest of your life, you'll be more open.

01:06:58.000 You'll rate higher in openness for the rest of your life.

01:07:01.000 So people were doing more psychedelics at this time.

01:07:04.000 I think?

01:07:31.000 And starting to question authority, I think it did play a little bit of a factor in a little bit of the civil rights movement.

01:07:39.000 So you think this was a conscious decision by the powers that be to try to limit psychedelics because they were worried specifically about people becoming more open?

01:07:47.000 No, I don't think that they understood that's what was happening.

01:07:51.000 I think that psychedelics had this effect.

01:07:53.000 I don't think the government knows a lot.

01:07:55.000 I don't think they do either.

01:07:57.000 But they did do those.

01:07:58.000 There's quite a lot of tests that went on, especially with LSD, with the military, and then of course there was the Harvard, the very famous Harvard LSD studies, which, there's a good argument, created Ted Kaczynski.

01:08:11.000 I'm sure you're aware of that, right?

01:08:12.000 What was the German documentary?

01:08:15.000 I believe it was called The Net.

01:08:16.000 It all highlighted how Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, was a part of these LSD studies at Harvard. 0.99

01:08:22.000 They fucking fried that dude's brain. 0.97

01:08:25.000 He went to Berkeley. 1.00

01:08:26.000 He was probably crazy already, but he went to Berkeley, became a professor, hoarded off all his money, just saved enough money to implement his plan, and then bought that little cabin in the woods and started killing people who were involved in technology.

01:08:38.000 Because he was convinced, because of his LSD trips, And really, he's right.

01:08:43.000 Well, he was an exceptionally bright guy.

01:08:46.000 That was what was kind of peculiar and very scary about him.

01:08:50.000 He was a genius.

01:08:52.000 Well, that's how they found him out. 0.98

01:08:53.000 His brother recognized his crazy, rambling scribe. 0.97

01:08:57.000 From the manifesto.

01:08:58.000 His brother recognized the manifesto and probably is thinking it might be his brother anyway because when his brother came back from the LSD trips apparently he was absolutely convinced that technology was going to be the end of mankind that we had to stop in its tracks.

01:09:13.000 That it was this like Trojan horse and that people were creating all this technology but he was extrapolating.

01:09:18.000 He was seeing the future and seeing everything.

01:09:20.000 He's right.

01:09:21.000 He's right.

01:09:21.000 I mean, this is one of the things we're talking about today as AI becomes more and more of a reality.

01:09:26.000 You know, even Elon Musk, that famous speech that he said that we're summoning the demon.

01:09:30.000 Like, this is essentially what Ted Kaczynski saw. 1.00

01:09:33.000 He's just in his crazy fucking head. 1.00

01:09:35.000 He said the way to fix this is to kill people that are made from technology. 1.00

01:09:38.000 I mean, he's nuts. 1.00

01:09:39.000 Good idea, poor execution.

01:09:42.000 Well, not even a good idea, just an odd reality of the possibilities of the future.

01:09:48.000 Yeah.

01:09:49.000 Well, so to clarify, just so I'm not coming off like I think it's a conspiracy, I don't think the government knew any of this stuff.

01:09:56.000 I don't think anyone knew a lot of these effects.

01:09:58.000 I think a lot of these cultural memes or laws that happen is just kind of something that just kind of happened, an idea that was stumbled upon, that just kind of ended up working in the interest of the lawmakers.

01:10:12.000 So I think people happened to start taking...

01:10:28.000 Yeah.

01:10:42.000 And then they associated those two together.

01:10:44.000 Also, that's one of the things that I find interesting.

01:10:46.000 I think it was Timothy Leary said this, but apparently Terrence McKenna asked Timothy Leary and he denied that he ever said it.

01:10:54.000 So no one knows who said it.

01:10:55.000 But it was one of those guys during that time said that LSD has been known to cause people who don't take it to go crazy.

01:11:07.000 Yeah.

01:11:09.000 Yeah, that's a fun way of putting it.

01:11:11.000 I'm paraphrasing.

01:11:11.000 It's more elegant than that.

01:11:13.000 But that's really the way it is.

01:11:16.000 I know so many people that don't smoke pot, and when they hear I smoke pot all the time, they're like, what?

01:11:20.000 You smoke pot all the time.

01:11:22.000 How do you get things done? 0.97

01:11:24.000 Potheads are lazy.

01:11:24.000 I'm like, you're saying that but you don't smoke pot.

01:11:26.000 How can you say that?

01:11:27.000 Yeah, I think it affects everyone differently.

01:11:30.000 I know people that function at very high levels and pretty much only do when they're on weed.

01:11:37.000 If they stop taking pot, they become dumbed down.

01:11:43.000 It helps them.

01:11:44.000 I don't know if it's a dependency or whatnot. 0.99

01:11:46.000 But some people, it motivates them and they can clean the house, they can take care of shit. 0.93

01:11:51.000 It doesn't have that effect on me. 0.98

01:11:53.000 It makes me a little paranoid.

01:11:55.000 It dulls me down a little bit, I feel like.

01:11:58.000 But edibles I like.

01:11:59.000 Edibles don't have that effect.

01:12:01.000 Well, do different strains have an effect on you differently?

01:12:04.000 I can't tell.

01:12:04.000 I mean, I feel like I've tried a bunch of different strains and I can't find anything that...

01:12:09.000 I like to, at the end of the night, have a hit of weed if I'm by myself and watch a movie or something like that.

01:12:15.000 Or if I'm just hanging out with a friend watching a movie.

01:12:18.000 In a social situation, the reason why I wouldn't want to smoke weed before doing this podcast is because I would worry that I would get in my head too much and be overanalyzing things.

01:12:31.000 Well, also, when you're doing something like this, it's being broadcast. 0.99

01:12:36.000 Like, if you and I were just hanging out and we smoked a joint together, we could say ridiculous shit and go, how dumb did that sound? 0.98

01:12:42.000 That's one of the things that we've done on this podcast a million times, just... 1.00

01:12:45.000 Just do it. 1.00

01:12:47.000 And then, you know, people, you say ridiculous shit and say, oh my god, it's so ridiculous. 1.00

01:12:50.000 And then people realize, oh, everybody gets retarded when they smoke pot. 1.00

01:12:54.000 It's not like just me.

01:12:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:56.000 But I think that there's some people like you that say that, that different strains don't affect them any differently.

01:13:04.000 I don't know that they don't.

01:13:05.000 I just can't figure out what it is.

01:13:07.000 For me, there's a real big difference, particularly with the Cushes, any serious Indicas. 1.00

01:13:15.000 They have almost a narcotic effect on me.

01:13:18.000 I enjoy it, but it's not what I would smoke before I would go on stage.

01:13:23.000 See, when I, now I, so, here's the other problem, I guess, with my, the way that I smoke.

01:13:29.000 When I first started, when I first got my medical marijuana card, went into this amazing, the first time you walk into a dispensary, it's like, yes, oh my god, the future!

01:13:40.000 And I, you know, went crazy.

01:13:43.000 I spent like 700 bucks.

01:13:45.000 Give me like, money's no object.

01:13:47.000 I want the finest of every kind of everything that you have.

01:13:51.000 And then I realized that...

01:13:54.000 What happens when you smoke the best of the best is, for me, I have one hit and then I'm in a coma.

01:14:02.000 One hit?

01:14:03.000 One hit and I am out or I'm like crazy paranoid.

01:14:07.000 So now what I do is I just get, usually if I'm going to get weed rather than edibles, I just get stuff out of the shake jar that's like five bucks a gram or whatever. 0.99

01:14:18.000 This is the new shit, son. 0.99

01:14:19.000 What is it? 1.00

01:14:20.000 Edible breath spray.

01:14:22.000 Is it like a CBD? No, no, no, no, no.

01:14:26.000 No, this will change your fucking life. 1.00

01:14:28.000 This has, it's a thousand milligrams a dose. 0.99

01:14:33.000 I don't know how it works, but you're only supposed to take six pumps.

01:14:37.000 And you get 1,000 milligrams or something?

01:14:39.000 I don't know.

01:14:39.000 The whole thing is 1,000 and it's about 6 milligrams per spray.

01:14:43.000 This one is 175. Oh, then that's a smaller one.

01:14:46.000 Yeah, there's different...

01:14:47.000 Is it a smaller size?

01:14:47.000 Yeah, there's like 375 milligram.

01:14:49.000 The whole bottle is that much.

01:14:51.000 But I think there's some...

01:14:51.000 6 milligrams of spray?

01:14:53.000 Yeah.

01:14:53.000 Can I try it?

01:14:54.000 Yep.

01:14:54.000 That's probably...

01:14:55.000 I think there's some...

01:14:55.000 And I just put it under my tongue and then...

01:14:57.000 I think there's some that are more potent.

01:14:59.000 This one's the most potent.

01:15:00.000 Anyway, this one that's the most potent.

01:15:02.000 This is a thousand.

01:15:03.000 This is like a thousand milligram brown.

01:15:05.000 You're not supposed to eat the whole thing at one time.

01:15:07.000 You're supposed to take like a nibble.

01:15:08.000 Well, he makes a 1500 too, which is really problematic.

01:15:12.000 What I like about edibles is...

01:15:14.000 Is how it's measured and there seems to be like a little difference in between Brands and stuff, but I know 5 milligrams nothing 10 milligrams just kind of feel a little good 15 milligrams.

01:15:26.000 I'm starting to get high 20 now.

01:15:28.000 I'm high 25 now. 0.94

01:15:30.000 I'm really high and I don't do more than that I took 10 sprays And then did a podcast, and I was shitting my pants.

01:15:38.000 I think I might have done 12. I might have done 12. 12 sprays, and I did a podcast where the whole time I was doing the podcast, I was skiing downhill, just hoping I didn't have to change.

01:15:48.000 Like, hoping I didn't have to turn or avoid another skier.

01:15:51.000 I was like, oh Jesus!

01:15:53.000 Oh Jesus, stay up!

01:15:54.000 Just stay up!

01:15:58.000 Yeah, I've been high on stage probably 20 times in my...

01:16:02.000 I've been in comedy for like 12 years or something like that.

01:16:05.000 And I probably had 10 of those times where I felt like I was giggly and having fun and it helped the show.

01:16:13.000 And then I had 10 of those times where I... It was just like, I couldn't think straight, I couldn't remember anything, and it's just not worth the risk for me.

01:16:22.000 It's a total crapshoot.

01:16:23.000 Yeah, one time I said the setup of one joke with the punchline of another joke.

01:16:30.000 And at the time, like it was just a really hot audience, and I was doing really well.

01:16:36.000 And at the time they laughed, and I was like, I realized why, I was like, wait a second.

01:16:41.000 What are you guys laughing at?

01:16:42.000 And then I went back and I told both jokes and explained why I screwed up. 0.99

01:16:47.000 So I was like, so I don't know what the fuck you guys were laughing at. 0.98

01:16:49.000 Because what I said made no sense. 0.99

01:16:51.000 Maybe it was just my inflection was funny or something like that.

01:16:54.000 Wow, that's funny.

01:16:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:16:56.000 Maybe they didn't want to seem stupid. 1.00

01:16:57.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:16:58.000 It's like one of those Dennis Miller things.

01:16:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:00.000 You laugh at his reference.

01:17:01.000 Oh, yes!

01:17:03.000 You know what was a heartbreaker for me?

01:17:04.000 Somebody told me he doesn't really know what he's talking about, that he just comes up with these really obscure references because they work well in a joke form.

01:17:11.000 Really?

01:17:11.000 Norm MacDonald told me that.

01:17:13.000 He was like, yeah, he doesn't even know those things.

01:17:14.000 I went, what?

01:17:16.000 Come on.

01:17:17.000 Yeah, I just had a podcast talking with a guy.

01:17:20.000 One of the reasons why we laugh at things is because you're conveying that you have that same knowledge.

01:17:28.000 That you get it.

01:17:29.000 That you understand the context for it or whatever.

01:17:31.000 It's like advertising that you also know this.

01:17:35.000 Well, you want to be in with a cool crowd.

01:17:38.000 The cool crowd knows the joke.

01:17:40.000 Ah, that's hilarious.

01:17:41.000 Why is it hilarious, Shane?

01:17:45.000 Because I want you to like me.

01:17:47.000 I know.

01:17:49.000 It's weird that a lot of the...

01:17:51.000 And I have plenty of movie references and stuff now, but it seems like a lot of the quote-unquote smart comedy these days is just movie references.

01:18:01.000 It's like, well, why is that?

01:18:02.000 You watch a lot of TV. I don't get why that's smart that you know of this obscure show.

01:18:08.000 I don't know what you're referring to.

01:18:10.000 You go into alt rooms or something?

01:18:12.000 Is that what that is?

01:18:13.000 That happens in alt rooms.

01:18:15.000 I like alt rooms as well, but I see that sometimes where I'm like, that's just a movie that no one knows about that you watched.

01:18:25.000 I don't get why that's smart.

01:18:28.000 That's not indicative of intelligence.

01:18:30.000 It's just like, ooh, other people don't know that, so it seems like it's smart.

01:18:34.000 Right, you're clever because you remembered something.

01:18:36.000 Right.

01:18:37.000 That's pointless.

01:18:38.000 Yeah.

01:18:39.000 That was a complete waste of time.

01:18:41.000 So back to this Kratom stuff, where do you buy it?

01:18:44.000 You can get it on a head shop or you can get it online for about another week.

01:18:48.000 That is so crazy.

01:18:49.000 And so now once it becomes Schedule 1, then it's like pot or heroin.

01:18:54.000 Like if you get caught with it, you're going to jail.

01:18:55.000 Yeah, I mean, the schedules don't necessarily affect what the penalties are.

01:19:01.000 Like you'll get in more trouble for a Schedule 2 cocaine than you will a Schedule 1 marijuana.

01:19:06.000 Right.

01:19:07.000 So I don't know what the actual penalties will be for, but yeah, I think it will be a Schedule 1. So then they have to establish penalties.

01:19:14.000 But do they establish penalties based on science?

01:19:16.000 I mean, do they have any logic behind what they're saying?

01:19:18.000 No.

01:19:18.000 I mean, I don't think they establish any penalties based on science.

01:19:24.000 I don't think our prison system...

01:19:26.000 I think if a scientist were running the prison system, they would scrap it and start all over.

01:19:32.000 It'd be about reforming and rehabilitation, which is what it's supposed to be about.

01:19:36.000 Right.

01:19:37.000 And, yeah, I don't think...

01:19:39.000 I don't think we're doing great science with our prison system in any way.

01:19:44.000 Yeah, the whole thing is just One person telling another person what they can and cannot put in their body, where you can't demonstrate that it's hurting anybody else but that person.

01:19:54.000 To me, that's like, okay, if that's the case, well, why is it okay to rock climb?

01:19:58.000 Because rock climbing is obviously dangerous.

01:20:00.000 Why is it okay to bungee jump?

01:20:01.000 Why is it okay to jump out of airplanes?

01:20:04.000 That stuff's all legal, but you can't take this Kratom stuff.

01:20:06.000 And you can, I mean, you can...

01:20:11.000 Where is it that they use those bullet ants and, like, put them on their hands?

01:20:15.000 Yeah.

01:20:16.000 And, like, you can trip doing that.

01:20:19.000 The pain.

01:20:20.000 The pain's so intense that they trip like they do with this during ceremonies.

01:20:24.000 You can run a marathon and get into a transcendental state because your body's going through such torture that it goes into this different part of your brain that pushes you through it.

01:20:36.000 And, um, I mean, you can hallucinate from lack of sleep.

01:20:39.000 Uh, For like six months of my life, I was trying to do the thing where every two hours you sleep for like 20 minutes or whatever.

01:20:47.000 For how long did you do that?

01:20:48.000 Like six months.

01:20:50.000 Really?

01:20:50.000 Yeah, I like trying like crazy weird different things and I go on all these weird different kicks.

01:20:57.000 It was a nightmare.

01:20:58.000 I started hallucinating after a while.

01:21:00.000 So explain, every two hours you sleep for 20 minutes?

01:21:02.000 Yeah, I would set the alarm for like 20 minutes and yeah. 0.98

01:21:07.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.62

01:21:08.000 You know, so I was... 0.93

01:21:10.000 It was before I was a comedian, and it was...

01:21:12.000 I was trying to...

01:21:13.000 I was working third shift in a factory, and then at the same time, I was going to school, like, just tech school for, like, a backup plan.

01:21:21.000 I wanted to be a comedian, but I was also, like, very scared and didn't know how to start.

01:21:26.000 And so I was taking, like...

01:21:29.000 16 or 18 credits or something like that.

01:21:32.000 And I also had a social life.

01:21:36.000 So every two hours, I just had a time to take a nap.

01:21:38.000 And the crazy thing was, it all ran together.

01:21:41.000 So if I was in there for a lecture on Monday, and then on Friday there was a test on it, it was as if I just heard it.

01:21:50.000 It was like it was all one day.

01:21:52.000 It was like, yeah, we just talked about this.

01:21:54.000 Wow.

01:21:54.000 Yeah, it was really weird.

01:21:56.000 And then I tried taking, like, supplements and stuff like that to, like, do energy-boosting things.

01:22:02.000 And then one day I got anal leakage from, like, all these supplements I was taking.

01:22:12.000 And then I decided to stop doing that. 0.83

01:22:15.000 It was just like a tan, like an oily... 1.00

01:22:20.000 Like a shit oil? 1.00

01:22:21.000 Yeah, like a shit oil. 1.00

01:22:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:23.000 And I was like, you know what? 1.00

01:22:25.000 This isn't worth it.

01:22:25.000 And I dropped out of school.

01:22:28.000 Jesus Christ.

01:22:29.000 And started sleeping regularly.

01:22:31.000 I've had a weird life.

01:22:33.000 Say if you went out at 9 o'clock at night, you and your friends went out, would you just go somewhere at 11 and take a nap?

01:22:38.000 Yeah.

01:22:39.000 I couldn't go out that often. 0.94

01:22:42.000 That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

01:22:45.000 Where's Shane? 0.95

01:22:45.000 Shane wants to take his 20 minutes. 0.95

01:22:47.000 And then two hours later, hey, you guys want to eat?

01:22:50.000 I've got to take a nap.

01:22:53.000 I'll meet you guys there. 0.99

01:22:54.000 The thing was, if you didn't follow the schedule really strictly is when you'd get fucked. 0.98

01:22:59.000 So if I did end up having some drinks or something like that and hanging out with friends and not doing that nap, or if I was at work and I wouldn't get my break when I was supposed to, it would really fuck me up. 0.97

01:23:11.000 And I started hallucinating when I was driving.

01:23:13.000 I fell asleep behind the wheel once and almost crashed my car, went into a ditch and was able to drive out of it.

01:23:20.000 And so I put an end to that experiment.

01:23:22.000 But yeah, I couldn't believe I did it for as long as I did.

01:23:25.000 Looking back on it, it's like, it didn't seem that crazy to me at the time.

01:23:29.000 I don't know why.

01:23:30.000 So what is that?

01:23:30.000 What is 12 hours at 20 minutes?

01:23:35.000 Because it's half.

01:23:36.000 It's double, right?

01:23:36.000 Every two hours.

01:23:38.000 So 12 hours at 20 minutes.

01:23:40.000 So you're essentially sleeping in...

01:23:42.000 So yeah, like four hours a day, I guess.

01:23:44.000 And...

01:23:46.000 But by doing it in these long stretches where two hours, then 20 minutes, two hours, then 20 minutes, you never really get into, like, heavy REM sleep or...

01:23:53.000 No, I don't think so.

01:23:55.000 I mean, I would start to...

01:23:57.000 I would, like, wake up in a little bit of a dream state.

01:23:59.000 Wow.

01:24:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:01.000 That's so weird.

01:24:02.000 Don't recommend it.

01:24:03.000 You did it for six months.

01:24:04.000 Yeah.

01:24:04.000 That's amazing that you have that kind of, like, stick-to-itiveness that you...

01:24:08.000 When I get focused on something.

01:24:10.000 I guess.

01:24:11.000 But yeah, I mean the point is, there's a million ways to trip.

01:24:15.000 You can't stop people from tripping.

01:24:16.000 Have you done the holotropic breathing thing?

01:24:19.000 No, but I just started hearing about this recently.

01:24:22.000 Can you explain it to me?

01:24:23.000 I've never done it.

01:24:24.000 My friend Aubrey's done it several times.

01:24:26.000 There's people who really know how to do it correctly.

01:24:30.000 There's a couple different ways.

01:24:31.000 Is this that Wolfen, or what's that guy's name?

01:24:33.000 No, no, no.

01:24:34.000 Wim Hof. 0.67

01:24:35.000 Similar.

01:24:36.000 You know, Wim Hof has some pretty, there's some psychedelic aspects to his breathing technique, I think, too.

01:24:40.000 It definitely puts you in a state of mind.

01:24:42.000 But the holotropic breathing thing, somehow or another, it forces your body into a psychedelic state.

01:24:48.000 I've had actually a couple people that have done it.

01:24:50.000 It takes a while, but through this specific style of breathing. 0.98

01:24:53.000 See if you can find it, Jamie, so we can tell people what the fuck we're talking about. 0.93

01:24:56.000 I haven't done it, obviously. 0.93

01:24:57.000 But I know of several people who do kundalini yoga who have also done DMT. And they say that through kundalini practice, when you get deep into it on a regular basis, when you do it daily, you can achieve DMT-like states on the natch.

01:25:15.000 Well, I went...

01:25:16.000 Since doing DMT now, if I eat mushrooms, I can meditate myself into a DMT state for like five to ten minutes.

01:25:25.000 While you're on mushrooms?

01:25:26.000 Uh-huh.

01:25:26.000 I did mushrooms in a float tank recently.

01:25:29.000 Holla! 1.00

01:25:29.000 I recommend that. 1.00

01:25:31.000 And that was...

01:25:33.000 I don't know if it's because of how much DMT I do or whatever, but that was like a DMT trip to me.

01:25:37.000 Yeah.

01:25:38.000 It was like a little more controlled, and I could pop out of it anytime that I wanted to, but that was like four...

01:25:45.000 I mean, it would take me, like, five minutes to get into it.

01:25:49.000 And then, within five minutes, I mean, I had music playing inside of my head and, like, these crazy, like, DMT stories happening in different worlds that I was seeing and, like, palaces and, like, other areas with, like, scary weird clowns and stuff like that.

01:26:07.000 I was, I mean, it was the best trip of my life.

01:26:09.000 And it was, like...

01:26:11.000 Full-on hallucinations.

01:26:12.000 Because I did float tanks a couple times just sober, and I never really saw anything.

01:26:16.000 I didn't like hallucinate or anything.

01:26:18.000 It was just kind of like meditation on steroids, I felt like.

01:26:20.000 It is definitely like meditation on steroids, but float tanks are something where the more comfortable you get with the experience, the easier you slip into it.

01:26:29.000 So the quicker you slip into it, like when I go into it, I've done it so many times now because it's in my house, that I lay down and my body goes up.

01:26:37.000 Here we go again.

01:26:37.000 Good times.

01:26:38.000 Just relax.

01:26:39.000 Yeah.

01:26:40.000 I've done it.

01:26:40.000 It's not like, oh my god, I can't believe I'm floating.

01:26:43.000 Those states of mind that you get to when you're in that I can't believe I'm floating thing, it takes you a while to relax.

01:26:50.000 You're floating around, you're bumping against a wall, you're trying to center yourself.

01:26:53.000 I think that state, though, combined with the mushrooms, it's got to be an accelerant.

01:26:59.000 Yeah.

01:26:59.000 So, you've done that?

01:27:01.000 Mushrooms in a float tank?

01:27:02.000 Yeah.

01:27:02.000 And did it bring on hallucinations for you as well?

01:27:05.000 I've had the strongest hallucinations, honestly, is from too much edibles.

01:27:09.000 I've had too much edibles where I went into the tank where I just got to like, oh my god, I'm gonna die!

01:27:15.000 And you get in there and I just have had full-blown...

01:27:18.000 I had this one insane, intense experience where I... Felt like I was in a jungle, like I was in a jungle, and I was walking through the jungle with these people, and they were all speaking a language, and I understood the language.

01:27:33.000 And in my mind, I was thinking in their language, and then I realized it.

01:27:38.000 I went, oh my god.

01:27:39.000 God, I'm thinking in this other lane.

01:27:40.000 And then I'm out of it.

01:27:41.000 And then it went away.

01:27:42.000 But for the brief few moments where it happened, I mean, I could remember feeling the dew on the ground and feeling the leaves under my feet and walking through the jungle with these people.

01:27:55.000 There's a lot of folks that believe that the reason why we have instincts, the reason why, you know, like an animal comes out of its mother's body immediately goes to the breast and instinctively starts sucking, that there's certain data that's just encoded in our body.

01:28:10.000 And what it comes from is the experiences of all the different beings that existed before us that bred and eventually became us.

01:28:18.000 That this is just mass database of Experiences of all your ancestors and they're all sort of collected together.

01:28:24.000 So the idea is that occasionally you can tap into some distant memory that's locked in like, oh, look what I found!

01:28:33.000 It's our high school yearbook!

01:28:34.000 This is crazy! 0.99

01:28:35.000 And you open up what's essentially your DNA's high school yearbook from some, you know, fucking sub-Saharan experience when you were half a monkey person. 0.99

01:28:45.000 Yeah, like memory stored in DNA or something like that. 0.99

01:28:49.000 So that's, I mean, my scientific mind would just say that, you know, genes that are set up to have this inclination to suck on your mother's tits end up being passed on easier and whatnot. 0.99

01:29:07.000 But I've had full-on... 0.99

01:29:10.000 Yeah.

01:29:31.000 Oh, I had mushrooms in the fridge.

01:29:33.000 I bet I gobbled those things.

01:29:34.000 And then I closed my eyes, and I saw...

01:29:38.000 I saw, like, inside my brain was kind of like a...

01:29:52.000 I think?

01:30:01.000 All of life, like, going all the way back to...

01:30:05.000 So I saw, like, all these different battles and stuff, and, like, my ancestors, and then it went all the way back to, like, being monkeys and all that, and it went back to, like, this first little plant seed, like, springing, sprouting,

01:30:22.000 and then it was over.

01:30:24.000 And that's not...

01:30:25.000 I mean, it wasn't an accurate representation of the history of evolution, but it's still insane that my brain was able to do that.

01:30:33.000 Yeah, but isn't that creativity, though?

01:30:35.000 I mean, isn't that your brain on mushrooms absorbing information that you already know?

01:30:39.000 Yeah.

01:30:39.000 Or sort of manipulating it?

01:30:41.000 Yeah.

01:30:41.000 I think so.

01:30:42.000 I think it would be hard to have a mechanism where memories are stored in the DNA. Yeah, but this is the problem with that.

01:30:47.000 There's been studies done that show that they exist.

01:30:49.000 Here's what they did.

01:30:50.000 They took these rats or mice and they put a citrus spray in the air and then they electrocuted their feet.

01:30:57.000 So every time they sprayed the citrus smell, they gave them a charge on their feet and they hurt them.

01:31:02.000 Their children, who never experienced any of this, Their DNA from these mice created these children.

01:31:09.000 The children, they would spray the citrus spray in the air and they would automatically have this terror response.

01:31:16.000 Like they would freak out.

01:31:17.000 They have an accelerated panic level.

01:31:19.000 Measurable.

01:31:20.000 So they realized that...

01:31:21.000 And they weren't pregnant when they did this or anything? 0.96

01:31:24.000 Nope.

01:31:25.000 Nope.

01:31:25.000 They had a significant amount of time between the actual experiences and when they're pregnant.

01:31:31.000 And you know, rats and mice and shit, they're not pregnant for very long. 1.00

01:31:36.000 Is pregnant for like 16 days or something like that. 0.99

01:31:39.000 And then they give birth.

01:31:41.000 It's something crazy like that.

01:31:42.000 I think that's what a hamster.

01:31:43.000 Maybe I'm confusing hamster.

01:31:45.000 But a hamster is pregnant for like 16 days and shits out a litter and then 16 days later you get pregnant again. 0.99

01:31:51.000 They could just...

01:31:52.000 21 days.

01:31:53.000 21 days for a rat?

01:31:54.000 Okay.

01:31:55.000 So it's real quick.

01:31:57.000 So they did these tutties. 1.00

01:31:59.000 They tortured these little meeses, zapped their feet with that citrus spray in the air, and then there's a clear indication that that memory of that smell being attached to danger was transmitted to their children.

01:32:11.000 Hmm.

01:32:12.000 That's incredible.

01:32:13.000 Yeah.

01:32:14.000 So this is why I think, well, it only makes sense.

01:32:18.000 I mean, I've heard of studies like that.

01:32:19.000 I don't know why people would be incredulous about it, because how else do we get all these instincts?

01:32:23.000 I mean, why would we assume that memories are not somehow or another stored in the very genetic media?

01:32:28.000 Like, a memory is in my brain.

01:32:30.000 It's in my hard drive.

01:32:31.000 I take it out.

01:32:32.000 I move it.

01:32:32.000 No, your memory somehow or another is in your consciousness.

01:32:36.000 We don't exactly know where.

01:32:38.000 We know when areas of the brain get injured, it affects memory.

01:32:42.000 But that could very well be that the areas of the brain are involved in processing memory, not necessarily storing memory.

01:32:48.000 We don't know really, realistically, that there's only one area.

01:32:53.000 Like there's certain things like DMT is produced not just in the brain, but it's also produced in the liver and in the lungs.

01:32:58.000 They know this for a fact.

01:32:59.000 So it's one of those things where Maybe other things are stored in other parts of the body.

01:33:06.000 We just assume that the very body itself doesn't have some sort of memory.

01:33:11.000 But when you talk to people that have limbs that have been removed, they have phantom itches and things along those lines, that's one explanation for that phenomenon, is that you have a memory.

01:33:22.000 Your actual tissue has a memory of that limb.

01:33:27.000 Hmm.

01:33:27.000 Well, there's also a body map in the brain.

01:33:32.000 Yeah, maybe that's not just a good example.

01:33:34.000 But the mice example is probably the best one.

01:33:36.000 Well, it does make me think of how information from our environment can affect the fetal environment.

01:33:46.000 Like females... 1.00

01:33:49.000 Females in lower income places or in lower parts of the social kind of hierarchy in humans will tend to have and there's all these different species that have where the species can kind of pick depending on the environment whether it's going to be a male or female.

01:34:07.000 So lower status females tend to have Daughters more and like the kings that are higher status tend to have more sons because sons if they're doing very well have the opportunity to mate a bunch and spread their genes on quite a bit more but a female even if it's like a lower status female or low income or whatever female can always have like at least a couple children whereas a lot of men get kind of our evolutionary dead ends you know if a dude's brought up poor he's gonna have

01:34:37.000 a harder time I think?

01:34:58.000 I just, yeah, I can't conceptualize how it would work.

01:35:02.000 I've read other studies like that, and I don't know enough about them, haven't read enough about them.

01:35:07.000 Why can't you conceptualize why there would be a strong connection between that smell, which was always followed by an electrocution, that it somehow would be stored in the DNA of the animal, which would be a smart thing to pass on to the children.

01:35:19.000 Oh, it would be.

01:35:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:35:21.000 Rupert Sheldrake had an example about this, where he was talking about children In inner cities, they're not afraid of car accidents or murder or bank robbers or real threats.

01:35:36.000 They're worried about monsters, even though they don't ever see monsters.

01:35:39.000 They're worried about monsters in the closet.

01:35:40.000 And he correlated it to an ancient fear of cats.

01:35:46.000 Like jaguars, and leopards, and lions, and things that kill people forever.

01:35:50.000 And that, at night, these things with big teeth that hide in the dark and wait to get you, the monsters.

01:35:55.000 Which, you know, there's a video of this guy where a lion, or a tiger, rather, charges him.

01:36:03.000 Full clip charges him.

01:36:05.000 And it is as terrifying as any horror movie you'll ever see in your life.

01:36:09.000 The thing veers off like about 30 or 40 yards away from him and decides not to run at him.

01:36:14.000 But it's running at him full clip with this insane speed that I kind of knew the Tigers could run that fast.

01:36:21.000 But until you see it, You go, oh my god, like, they're so fast.

01:36:26.000 It's just this furious snarl and just unbelievable pace as it moves towards them, and it's a monster, you know?

01:36:36.000 And if you saw that, if that killed one of your friends, and you had children, that would be passed on to their kids.

01:36:42.000 They're like, be scared of monsters.

01:36:44.000 Yeah.

01:36:46.000 Well, sometimes when people take ayahuasca, they report seeing these snakes or worms as well.

01:36:54.000 Jaguars, too.

01:36:56.000 But I think that there's a physiological reaction where your body's thinking that it's been poisoned, which it kind of has been in a little bit of a way.

01:37:06.000 And I think that maybe in the non-conscious, there's this projection of...

01:37:15.000 In your ancestral past, if you're poisoned, it's probably because of a snake or some parasite or bacteria or something like that.

01:37:22.000 So maybe that, because that is, like you say, maybe stored in the DNA or in the memory somehow, even if you've never ran into a snake, perhaps you would hallucinate one if your body thinks that you've been poisoned, being like, what happened here?

01:37:37.000 And kind of running through a simulation of what must have happened.

01:37:41.000 That certainly could be possible.

01:37:42.000 I mean, there's a lot of variables.

01:37:43.000 I don't think there's any one clear way at this time to figure out what the hell's going on.

01:37:49.000 Or, you know, like people that interpret dreams. 0.97

01:37:51.000 You know, oh, what that means is, you don't know what the fuck that means. 0.88

01:37:55.000 I had a dream that I was running from Godzilla on a skateboard with my cousin who I haven't seen in 20 years. 0.95

01:38:00.000 You think that's, you can interpret that?

01:38:02.000 No.

01:38:03.000 That's, you know, oh, well, you're troubled by your Yeah, you and your cousin have this tension, and the last time you saw them, you saw a lizard.

01:38:12.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:38:12.000 Or maybe the human imagination is just bizarre.

01:38:16.000 Yeah.

01:38:16.000 It's very, very, very strange.

01:38:19.000 And incredibly powerful.

01:38:20.000 I mean, the idea that we can dream and I can have a dream where I'm making up all of these people or people that I know and doing perfect impressions of them in maybe different languages that you don't normally know.

01:38:34.000 And you do it all without even realizing you're doing it.

01:38:38.000 You think it's happening to you.

01:38:39.000 You don't even realize you're making up the storyline and writing the script and putting together the actors.

01:38:46.000 And you're doing it in your sleep.

01:38:48.000 You wake up well rested.

01:38:49.000 If you sit and read a book, you'll get tired.

01:38:52.000 You'll get fatigued using your brain like that.

01:38:55.000 But your brain can do all of that in your sleep.

01:38:58.000 And you wake up well rested.

01:39:00.000 It took no energy at all for the brain to do that.

01:39:03.000 Well, it's got to be drugs, right?

01:39:05.000 I mean, it's got to have something to do with DMT. They don't know for sure, but they do believe that when you're in heavy REM sleep, your brain's producing all this DMT. Now that they know, now that the Cottonwood Research Foundation has done those studies on rats, where they've proven that live rats are producing dimethyltryptamine in their pineal gland,

01:39:23.000 they know that this is actually the source of it, right?

01:39:26.000 This is like the first time.

01:39:27.000 Before, it was all just anecdotal evidence.

01:39:29.000 Now that they know that, It's totally possible that once testing measures get better and they can figure out how to detect things at a more accurate rate, they are eventually going to do studies on people that are asleep.

01:39:41.000 And they're going to be able to measure your DMT levels and where it's coming from and when it spikes.

01:39:45.000 And if they can somehow or another...

01:39:46.000 You know how they're starting to be able to do things now where they can show you images and you can receive those images in your visual cortex?

01:39:56.000 Mm-hmm.

01:39:57.000 Yeah, I have to think that eventually they're going to be able to interpret whatever kind of dream data is going on in your head, at least in some sort of crude form.

01:40:10.000 DVR your dreams, kind of.

01:40:11.000 Yeah, eventually get better.

01:40:13.000 And if we live a thousand years from now, I mean, who knows?

01:40:16.000 What are you showing me here, Jamie?

01:40:17.000 I was looking something up that I remember someone came in here talking to us about.

01:40:20.000 This is called DreamSphere.

01:40:22.000 It's an app that people are supposed to download and type in what, like, the dreams they just had.

01:40:27.000 And the app is getting what it's called, like, big data.

01:40:29.000 It's getting all the information on what metrics people are dreaming about.

01:40:33.000 Colors, things, data.

01:40:34.000 Oh, yeah, and it shows you the people around you who are dreaming like you.

01:40:37.000 Yeah, and this is, like, 2 million people have downloaded this, and you can find out what other people are dreaming about, kind of, like, based on a map.

01:40:43.000 And I think the person that was in here that was talking about it said that they're finding out people are dreaming about the same things at the same times all over the world, or...

01:40:50.000 Something like that.

01:40:51.000 Who said that?

01:40:52.000 I don't remember because he said it wasn't official data.

01:40:55.000 Was that Rick Doblin?

01:40:56.000 I can't remember exactly. 0.99

01:40:58.000 Imagine if it's everybody dreaming about having sex with Hillary. 0.96

01:41:02.000 We realized, like, whoa, it's an epidemic. 0.96

01:41:04.000 And then we realized she put it out there.

01:41:05.000 It's from chemtrails.

01:41:06.000 She's spraying it in the sky.

01:41:08.000 It's interesting that they have the people that can't talk or whatever, ALS, like Stephen Hawking, basically.

01:41:19.000 You can show...

01:41:21.000 You can now show them, you can give them MRIs, show them pictures of certain words that are useful, like bathroom or whatever it might be, and then it can determine what part of the brain is lighting up when they are thinking of a bathroom.

01:41:39.000 And then you can hook them up and they can just concentrate on the word bathroom and then it will know that they're saying bathroom. 0.99

01:41:50.000 Stephen Hawking just hates using new technology and shit. 0.99

01:41:55.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

01:41:56.000 Yeah, he hates it. 0.99

01:41:57.000 That's why his voice is still fucking shittier than my GPS. He likes old computers. 0.99

01:42:02.000 Yeah, he just doesn't like learning new technology stuff, even though that's what gets him around and talks for him and everything. 0.99

01:42:10.000 He's like, ah, who needs that new shit? 0.96

01:42:13.000 But yeah, so once we can map the brain and figure out... 0.99

01:42:18.000 I mean, yeah, that's the dream, to DVR, like, dreams or a DMT trip or something like that, and then slow it down.

01:42:27.000 Because it's a DMT trip, there's just a billion things happening all at once, and it's impossible to articulate.

01:42:33.000 I don't think you're ever going to be able to slow it down, because I think we look at it in terms of what we would see in normal reality.

01:42:38.000 Like, if you had a scene that you could, like, say when...

01:42:42.000 You know, you were 15, you hit a home run in a Little League game, and you remember it so clearly because you were the hero.

01:42:49.000 You came back, everybody carried you around on your shoulders.

01:42:51.000 If you could go back and replay that over and over again, if you had a recording of it in your mind, and you could go back and see it in real time and replay it, it would all make sense.

01:42:59.000 You'd see the grass moving in the breeze.

01:43:01.000 You would see the clouds floating gently overhead.

01:43:03.000 You'd see the players in the field.

01:43:05.000 You'd see people talking and laughing in the stands.

01:43:08.000 It would all make sense because it's all references and things that exist in this dimension, in this plane.

01:43:15.000 The problem with DMT is if you took even one hundredth of the images that you're seeing, just a little corner of it, and just looked at it and tried to examine what the fuck it is, it's a Constantly changing geometric pattern that's somehow intelligent.

01:43:29.000 And it's fractal-like, too, so to zoom in...

01:43:32.000 And it has...

01:43:33.000 Some things have an effect on it.

01:43:35.000 Like, have you ever done DMT to Icaros?

01:43:38.000 Those South American songs that they can play?

01:43:41.000 Um, no.

01:43:42.000 I do, um...

01:43:44.000 Although I think the shaman was doing them on my couple of ayahuasca ceremonies that I did.

01:43:52.000 But ayahuasca didn't really take for me.

01:43:55.000 It was a bit of a disappointment.

01:43:56.000 Oh, did you go to a bad place?

01:43:57.000 No, I just didn't have enough.

01:43:59.000 Wasn't strong enough?

01:44:00.000 Yeah, I told him I was like...

01:44:03.000 I was like, I do lots of DMT. I'm ready.

01:44:05.000 I just want to fucking get there. 0.95

01:44:07.000 Let's go for it. 0.95

01:44:07.000 And then it wasn't enough. 0.95

01:44:09.000 It was like a good mushroom trip.

01:44:12.000 So it was good, but it wasn't...

01:44:13.000 Yeah, it was enjoyable other than sitting in a room listening to other people throw up.

01:44:19.000 I just don't have the stomach for that.

01:44:21.000 And it was also like...

01:44:23.000 I don't know.

01:44:24.000 It was... 0.97

01:44:26.000 My bullshit detector was just kind of going off a lot. 0.98

01:44:29.000 There was just a lot of people dressed in, like, white moo-moo things, and it was just like... 0.98

01:44:35.000 A lot of wooden beads?

01:44:36.000 Yeah, there's a girl who had a magic wand, and I was like, come on.

01:44:41.000 She was so hot, too. 1.00

01:44:43.000 I was like, you're just so hot, no one's ever called your bullshit. 1.00

01:44:46.000 Did you say that to her? 1.00

01:44:47.000 No, no, no.

01:44:47.000 Of course not.

01:44:48.000 You'd be banging her right now. 1.00

01:44:49.000 You wouldn't even be on this podcast.

01:44:50.000 Yeah.

01:44:51.000 Just totally what's up. 0.88

01:44:52.000 Like a dude would never be able to fucking carry around a magic wand without some lady being like, what's up with that? 1.00

01:44:58.000 You could. 0.98

01:44:59.000 Kanye West could have a line of magic wands.

01:45:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:01.000 He could.

01:45:02.000 Yeezys.

01:45:02.000 Yeezy wands.

01:45:03.000 I feel like he could pull it off.

01:45:05.000 Drake could do it.

01:45:06.000 It was...

01:45:07.000 I was trying to be as open-minded as possible, but it was also like...

01:45:12.000 The shaman going around and blowing smoke on the crown of my head was a bit much for me.

01:45:17.000 I was like, alright, this guy's gonna blow on my hair now.

01:45:20.000 You weren't high enough.

01:45:23.000 If you were super high, you'd be like, oh my god, I'm connecting with him.

01:45:26.000 Through the smoke.

01:45:27.000 And then I didn't like that you had to go and kneel in front of him to do the thing.

01:45:31.000 It was just so churchy.

01:45:33.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:45:34.000 You had to kneel in front of him?

01:45:36.000 Yeah, he had to go and sit down in front of him.

01:45:39.000 Does he kneel too, or does he stand up?

01:45:42.000 He's sitting pouring the... 1.00

01:45:43.000 His dick was out, actually, come to think of it. 0.99

01:45:48.000 But, yeah, I mean, if I was doing ayahuasca, or if I was giving someone ayahuasca, I would be bowing to them for being brave enough to try it. 1.00

01:45:57.000 Yeah, how weird that he made you kneel in front of him.

01:45:59.000 Yeah, it rubbed me the wrong way.

01:46:01.000 It should.

01:46:02.000 I don't think I've heard that before, but I have heard of like, skeezy ceremony guys.

01:46:07.000 This guy wasn't skeezy at all.

01:46:08.000 He was super cool and really bright and everything. 0.54

01:46:11.000 I just thought, I thought some of it was a little silly.

01:46:13.000 Sorry I interrupted you.

01:46:14.000 No, it's okay.

01:46:15.000 No, it's, there's a lot of that to these things. 0.99

01:46:17.000 Like, it's, what you're experiencing is so beyond the reality that we all know, that all the other silly shit almost seems okay. 0.99

01:46:26.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:46:27.000 You know, Mother Gaia!

01:46:29.000 We open ourselves to you.

01:46:30.000 Please take me down the path of wisdom and enlightenment.

01:46:34.000 I open myself to you.

01:46:36.000 I come here with acknowledgement of my past troubles and thankfulness. 0.99

01:46:42.000 You know, this shit that people say, like, look, man. 0.99

01:46:44.000 You know what? 0.99

01:46:45.000 I actually, you know, they say to set an intention and everything.

01:46:48.000 I set an intention.

01:46:49.000 I was like, I want to understand why I have some self-esteem issues and why I don't have more confidence.

01:46:56.000 And...

01:46:57.000 And, you know, I was like, I'm going to play along.

01:46:59.000 I'm going to be as open-minded as possible.

01:47:01.000 And I will say, during that ayahuasca trip, I was the most confident I've ever felt in my entire life.

01:47:07.000 Like, it was just a feeling.

01:47:08.000 Like, I could do anything. 1.00

01:47:10.000 Unfortunately, it was all geared toward, like, wow, this is a bunch of bullshit. 1.00

01:47:13.000 Like, I was pretty confident that it was... 1.00

01:47:16.000 I was like, can I just go outside and, like, trip by myself?

01:47:18.000 Because I feel great.

01:47:20.000 I'm just in a room of people, like, puking and farting everywhere.

01:47:23.000 And, like, I just can't...

01:47:24.000 It's not for me.

01:47:26.000 And bowing.

01:47:26.000 Yeah, and bowing.

01:47:28.000 With magic wands.

01:47:29.000 And I also...

01:47:30.000 I have a couple things.

01:47:33.000 I think some people are misrepresenting what's happening.

01:47:36.000 I think that when you're...

01:47:39.000 As someone who's almost died probably 20 times in my life, I've had a near-death experience and breaking my feet kind of...

01:47:48.000 I think that...

01:48:10.000 One, when your life flashes before your eyes, it's not like some, hey, let's just have a quick, fond, nostalgic run through what our life was and visit some old memories.

01:48:21.000 This is your brain going like, do we have anything for this situation?

01:48:25.000 Have we seen a TV show that will get us out of this?

01:48:28.000 Do we remember first aid class?

01:48:31.000 And it's going back and back and back.

01:48:32.000 And I'm wondering if it's going back far enough to what the fetal environment is.

01:48:38.000 I wonder if we do have memories somewhere stored in it.

01:48:41.000 And because the fetal environment could have easily been all of these weird structures and cities and fractal-like...

01:48:47.000 It doesn't seem that odd to me that that's what the environment before you came out of the womb could look like.

01:48:54.000 And if it's taking you back...

01:48:55.000 Do you mean before you came out of the womb, you mean like what you're experiencing while you're in your mother's womb?

01:49:01.000 Yeah.

01:49:01.000 With your eyes closed in the darkness?

01:49:03.000 The first little bits of consciousness.

01:49:05.000 So you think the first little bits of consciousness might be tripping?

01:49:07.000 Yeah, like these kind of fractal-like structures.

01:49:12.000 I think fractals are, I mean, fractals you're able to put a finite, you're able to fit infinity into a finite space somehow.

01:49:20.000 It's the weird counterintuitive thing about fractals.

01:49:26.000 But if you were, if you made packets of information that were fractal-like, that would be a great way to transport information or like transport ideas into I think.

01:49:36.000 And so I think that could be the very origins of consciousness.

01:49:40.000 And then when we came out, we were seeing this, but it was all like a blob.

01:49:43.000 You didn't see like walls or pictures or like you didn't understand sound.

01:49:47.000 It was just a blob of information coming at you that you...

01:49:51.000 Later had to be taught or decipher.

01:49:54.000 But I think the origins of it could have been like these...

01:49:58.000 Like I've seen a lot of holographic cities that kind of look like computer chips a little bit and that sort of thing.

01:50:04.000 And it wouldn't surprise me if that's what the first little...

01:50:08.000 Like say you get this machine where you can record dreams.

01:50:11.000 If we can record then what's happening when you're a fetus, it wouldn't surprise me if it was something like this.

01:50:18.000 And I think that...

01:50:21.000 Ayahuasca and DMT have a way of triggering near-death experience, whether you're consciously aware of it or not. 0.99

01:50:29.000 And it's like, what the fuck is happening right now? 0.98

01:50:31.000 Just like when you... 0.98

01:50:32.000 Why do you think it triggers near-death experiences?

01:50:36.000 Or it tricks your brain into thinking maybe you're dying.

01:50:39.000 Really?

01:50:40.000 I've never had that experience on DMT. Never had the experience where it made me feel like maybe I was dying.

01:50:46.000 It made me feel like maybe I went somewhere where I wasn't supposed to be.

01:50:50.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:50:51.000 Like, oh my god, you fucked up now. 1.00

01:50:52.000 You went to a place where you're not even supposed to see this yet. 1.00

01:50:55.000 I haven't necessarily felt it that much myself either, other than I felt like I, you know, I've forgotten that I'm a human that smoked DMT. I'm just like a different thing entirely.

01:51:05.000 To unpack this a little bit, though, for people that are like, these fucking hippies, what are they yapping about? 0.99

01:51:09.000 The brain does produce endogenous psychedelic chemicals. 0.99

01:51:13.000 It produces 5-methoxy-DMT, it produces NN-dimethyltryptamine, two super potent psychedelic drugs the brain produces and we don't understand why.

01:51:21.000 It's entirely possible that if the adult human brain produces it, that a baby's brain produces it as well.

01:51:26.000 So if it's in that womb state, which is in a lot of ways sort of like a sensory deprivation tank, but with of course the feeling and the cortisol effect of the mother and the oxytocin and all the all the different hormones and Responding directly to the stress of the mother.

01:51:43.000 There's a lot going on with the the body inside the body, right?

01:51:47.000 But we should assume that those brains are experiencing what we know to be possible in the human mind which is psychedelic chemicals and And I've seen actual dreams on DMT trips, like a regular dream, like you're used to having, which is unusual because that's nothing what the normal DMT world looks like.

01:52:05.000 So you mean while you're taking DMT or while you're dreaming?

01:52:07.000 Because I've had dreams where you go into the DMT world.

01:52:11.000 I've experienced both.

01:52:13.000 But I've had...

01:52:15.000 I've smoked DMT, and then I'd see a guy walking down a hall holding a box, and then I'd look at him, and he'd look at me and be like, uh-oh, and then start twitching like there was a glitch in the metrics,

01:52:30.000 and he's like, Uh-oh!

01:52:31.000 Uh-oh! 0.94

01:52:32.000 Like making fun of me.

01:52:34.000 And then he'd just reach back and grab the wall and pull it and it would be like this veil that then it became the whole world and started like the DMT space that you're more familiar with.

01:52:46.000 If you could sell that in a virtual reality environment, like here's the game.

01:52:50.000 You wake up, you're in a classroom, you lift your head up like, oh, I must have fallen asleep in class and everybody left me here.

01:52:56.000 Right.

01:52:56.000 And you go out in the hallway and there's a guy walking down the hallway and he's carrying a box of books.

01:53:00.000 And you go, excuse me, excuse me.

01:53:01.000 And you go up to him and you grab his shoulder and he turns and looks at him and goes, uh-oh. 1.00

01:53:06.000 That would be the shit. 1.00

01:53:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:08.000 That's inevitable, though. 1.00

01:53:09.000 They're going to be able to figure out a way to create a virtual.

01:53:12.000 It's one of the things that actually McKenna believed, that they were going to be able to figure out how to create a virtual DMT world, which would give people the DMT experience without actually taking DMT. Mm-hmm.

01:53:22.000 Is that your brain would somehow or another synchronize with this virtual world and you would have a full-blown DMT trip.

01:53:29.000 And this is...

01:53:29.000 He thought this up.

01:53:31.000 I'm sure he was tripping.

01:53:33.000 But he thought this up in, I believe, the 90s.

01:53:35.000 Or maybe the 80s.

01:53:36.000 It might have even been the 80s that he was talking about this.

01:53:39.000 It's when virtual reality was still...

01:53:42.000 Like, people had predicted its...

01:53:45.000 You know, that virtual reality was going to blow up and going to be huge, but it took a long time until recently where the technology caught up to the concept.

01:53:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:53:53.000 Like, they finally are starting to get that hoverboard working.

01:53:57.000 The Lexus one?

01:53:58.000 Is that the one you mean?

01:53:59.000 The one with the air...

01:54:00.000 The same guy that made the pack that goes in water and then shoots the air, he made a board that you stand on that uses fans, and he hovers like...

01:54:13.000 30-40 feet above the ground.

01:54:15.000 Have you seen that video?

01:54:16.000 No!

01:54:17.000 I thought you were talking about the Lexus hoverboard, which uses magnets somehow.

01:54:22.000 It's got some super-cooled magnets with liquid nitrogen or something like that, I believe.

01:54:27.000 And the Lexus one is really cool.

01:54:29.000 I haven't seen that.

01:54:31.000 It's sort of a proof of concept.

01:54:33.000 And what they're doing right now is they're using it, and the guy stands on it like a skateboard, and he sort of slides around on things, and it's only a couple inches off the ground, but it's clearly floating.

01:54:44.000 Like, look at here.

01:54:45.000 No, this isn't it.

01:54:46.000 This is the other one?

01:54:47.000 This is another one called the ARCA board.

01:54:49.000 Oh, so this one's all fans?

01:54:51.000 This isn't the one that I was...

01:54:53.000 It might not be real? 0.99

01:54:53.000 This looks fake as fuck. 0.99

01:54:55.000 This looks like a sitcom actor. 1.00

01:54:57.000 Um...

01:54:58.000 Whoa, is that real?

01:54:59.000 So...

01:55:00.000 Um...

01:55:03.000 I could run faster than that.

01:55:04.000 I'm not impressed.

01:55:05.000 Find the Lexus one.

01:55:06.000 Whoa, that is pretty dope though.

01:55:08.000 Is this real?

01:55:11.000 I don't believe that guy.

01:55:13.000 Oh wow, a bunch of fans.

01:55:15.000 So if you just put flyboard air test one.

01:55:19.000 Go to the Lexus thing first.

01:55:21.000 I want to show you this Lexus thing because I know you haven't seen this.

01:55:25.000 I think the Lexus one's on magnets and stuff.

01:55:28.000 Yeah, it's super cooled magnets with some sort of liquid nitrogen.

01:55:31.000 Look at that.

01:55:32.000 See how it's so, all that air that's coming out of the bottom, that's the liquid nitrogen.

01:55:36.000 So, I think Lexus is assuming that this technology, sort of like Back to the Futures shit, that this technology is eventually how we're going to get around with cars.

01:55:46.000 And one of the interesting things about that, if they really do figure out how to do this, if we get around in cars that are not connected to the ground with wheels, even though there will be momentum as we collide with each other if we fuck up, it won't have nearly the same kind of impact, because you won't have the friction of the road that makes the vehicle absorb the energy of the other It'll absorb it a little bit and then bounce you back.

01:56:10.000 Yeah, well, with having...

01:56:12.000 Eventually our power lines will be superconductors too, so they're cooled down enough so you're not losing all that...

01:56:19.000 You're losing something like a quarter of the energy is just lost in the wires in transit.

01:56:25.000 Right.

01:56:26.000 So, I had...

01:56:28.000 Did you find the flyboard?

01:56:29.000 Yeah.

01:56:31.000 Flyboard air test. 0.99

01:56:32.000 Holy shit. 0.97

01:56:33.000 This guy's flying. 0.99

01:56:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:56:35.000 Okay, this is way cooler than that other piece of shit. 1.00

01:56:38.000 Yeah, this is amazing. 1.00

01:56:39.000 The other people just quit.

01:56:40.000 This is nuts!

01:56:41.000 How long can this guy stay on this thing for?

01:56:43.000 I think like five or ten minutes or something like that.

01:56:45.000 And watch him stick this landing, too.

01:56:48.000 It's incredible how much control he has over it.

01:56:51.000 This is amazing.

01:56:52.000 Now, is this available for public consumption?

01:56:55.000 I think it will be.

01:56:57.000 Are you a representative of this company?

01:56:59.000 Has this been a ploy?

01:57:00.000 I hope to be.

01:57:01.000 I will happily represent the hoverboard company.

01:57:04.000 I want to be associated with them.

01:57:07.000 Look at that crazy wind that's coming from it.

01:57:09.000 In that other frame, you can see when there's a dark background, you can see the force of the air below it.

01:57:14.000 Back up a little bit, Jamie, so you can see the force of the air below that thing.

01:57:18.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:57:19.000 See that force?

01:57:20.000 Back up a little bit so you can see it.

01:57:22.000 Look as he's flying how much air that thing must be pumping.

01:57:26.000 Look at that.

01:57:27.000 That's crazy. 0.51

01:57:29.000 And it's fucking up the water underneath it as he's swimming around, or he's flying around.

01:57:34.000 That's incredible, man.

01:57:35.000 Oh, yeah, watch the landing here.

01:57:38.000 Look at how accurate this is.

01:57:43.000 Look at that.

01:57:43.000 That's like a 5x5 space that he just landed dead center.

01:57:47.000 And he landed right next to two guys that were so confident they just stood there while he's flying around on what looks like, it's like a box.

01:57:56.000 Yeah.

01:57:56.000 It doesn't even look like a skateboard.

01:57:58.000 It looks like a circular, like a small trampoline.

01:58:01.000 It's so small.

01:58:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:58:04.000 Fucking amazing. 0.96

01:58:05.000 Mission One coming soon. 0.98

01:58:06.000 Flyboard.

01:58:08.000 What is the date of this video, Jamie?

01:58:11.000 It was like a year ago, maybe?

01:58:14.000 April of this year.

01:58:15.000 Oh.

01:58:16.000 It's just a matter of time before someone has one of those, and they're flying right in front of your window, jerking off on your house.

01:58:21.000 It's 100% gonna happen.

01:58:23.000 Right?

01:58:24.000 Someone's gonna be the first guy. 0.94

01:58:25.000 And then, like, they're shooting down drones, someone's gonna shoot one of those guys.

01:58:29.000 Someone's gonna go to Britney Spears' house and whack off on her roof, and they're gonna get arrested, and it'll be, like, the new thing. 1.00

01:58:35.000 Like, planking was a thing for a while.

01:58:38.000 Jerking off on famous people's houses would be a new thing.

01:58:42.000 Yeah, we're going to not be able to control the skies.

01:58:45.000 It's sort of like the ocean.

01:58:46.000 I think the ocean is fascinating for friends who, I have friends that have boats, you know, like guys who like to go fishing.

01:58:52.000 And I've never had a boat.

01:58:55.000 But one of the things that I've always thought was incredible is like, if you live like Marina Del Rey or something like that, and you have a boat, and you hop out in your boat, you just go out into another world.

01:59:04.000 Yeah. 0.91

01:59:05.000 You're a fucking space traveler on a boat and you're roaming around this enormous swath of ocean. 1.00

01:59:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:59:12.000 And you're free to go left and right and up and down and there's no roads and there's no restrictions.

01:59:17.000 You can do whatever you want.

01:59:18.000 So I can't believe people are so...

01:59:20.000 I mean, I think space travel is exciting and everything, but everyone's like, what if we found aliens?

01:59:26.000 I was like...

01:59:26.000 There's aliens.

01:59:27.000 They're in the ocean.

01:59:28.000 And it's cheap to get to them.

01:59:30.000 Every time we go down deeper, we discover all these new worlds down there.

01:59:35.000 They're constantly finding crazy new life forms.

01:59:38.000 I wonder what the number or the percentage of documented life forms in the ocean are.

01:59:43.000 Because they're always finding new freaky variations.

01:59:46.000 Did you ever see that squid that they found that has crab legs?

01:59:50.000 No.

01:59:50.000 Yeah, it's crazy, man.

01:59:52.000 It's a giant squid that they found in Mexico, and it was a camera that was attached to one of those oil rigs.

01:59:59.000 So they were essentially just checking the oil rig, and there was this thing that was floating right next to the oil rig, this really freaky-looking alien squid that has, like, crab legs.

02:00:12.000 Like, really bizarre, like, obvious bends to the legs.

02:00:15.000 Like, check this out.

02:00:16.000 Look at this. 1.00

02:00:16.000 Look at that fucking thing, man. 1.00

02:00:19.000 Like, look how long its tentacles are. 1.00

02:00:22.000 It's enormous.

02:00:24.000 This is 2007. What's the name of this video, Jamie, so people can...

02:00:29.000 Alien-like squid filmed at oil drilling site.

02:00:33.000 Is this the one I picked?

02:00:34.000 That's exactly what I would call it.

02:00:36.000 Video courtesy of the Shell Oil Company.

02:00:38.000 Shell, doing a good job at finding aliens in the ocean.

02:00:41.000 There's like that blue planet or something.

02:00:44.000 One of those BBC documentaries like Planet Earth, but just ocean stuff.

02:00:48.000 And you watch it and it's like, you could show people and they would think that you're watching like a CGI made up thing.

02:00:55.000 Yeah.

02:00:55.000 Like about aliens.

02:00:56.000 Like have you ever seen anything like this before?

02:00:58.000 Back it up so you can see that image again with the articulating bent arms. 0.99

02:01:03.000 Like, what the fuck is that, man? 0.99

02:01:05.000 Just look at that. 0.99

02:01:06.000 If you saw that thing floating in space, right?

02:01:09.000 Or you're just on a swim. 0.98

02:01:11.000 Well, if they were on their way to the moon and they saw that thing floating in space, they would go, Holy shit! 0.98

02:01:17.000 There's an alien in space that's watching over the planet! 0.98

02:01:21.000 We found out that they're very intelligent.

02:01:23.000 They can solve puzzles.

02:01:25.000 We would think that is the most incredible discovery ever, but we see this thing in the ocean, like, oh, it's just here.

02:01:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:01:32.000 Depends on where you put things, right?

02:01:35.000 Like, if you put...

02:01:35.000 Anything is more interesting if you put it in space.

02:01:38.000 There was an orange.

02:01:39.000 We found an orange on the moon.

02:01:40.000 Oh, my God.

02:01:41.000 And there's, like, that...

02:01:42.000 Like, I was talking about how your brain perceives things as metaphors.

02:01:46.000 Everything that's, like, getting high is good or you're feeling, like, up rather than down is bad, you know, and hell's under the earth and heaven's up in the clouds and stuff.

02:01:58.000 There's something...

02:01:58.000 I don't know if it's just this natural, like...

02:02:01.000 Our inherent fight against gravity.

02:02:03.000 That makes us think, like, that's what you want to obtain.

02:02:08.000 To lift off, to be up there, you know?

02:02:10.000 Well, don't you think hell is definitely because of volcanoes?

02:02:13.000 I mean, it only makes sense.

02:02:15.000 Well, yeah.

02:02:16.000 Makes sense.

02:02:17.000 I mean, have you ever been near a volcano before?

02:02:19.000 No.

02:02:20.000 The Big Island has awesome tours.

02:02:22.000 You can hop in a helicopter, you can fly over the Big Island of Hawaii, and you can actually watch the island grow, because the island grows something like a foot a day or something like that.

02:02:31.000 You can literally see the lava come out of the chutes and go into the ocean and create new land.

02:02:39.000 That's awesome. 0.95

02:02:40.000 It's fucking awesome. 0.87

02:02:41.000 Yeah. 0.94

02:02:41.000 And you're flying over this helicopter, the helicopter, rather, you're flying over this volcano, and you look down into lava. 0.94

02:02:49.000 You see the very center of the earth oozing out of its zit, out of this weird surface, which has created the entire Hawaiian island chain, by the way.

02:02:57.000 The entire Hawaiian island chain is just volcanoes.

02:03:00.000 That's all it is.

02:03:01.000 Volcanoes in the middle of the ocean that erupted millions of years ago and poked their way through the top, and they're constantly growing and changing.

02:03:09.000 Reality is far more interesting than what humans were able to make up in their wildest fantasies of trying to explain what was happening.

02:03:17.000 Well, once we get a grip on reality, or we get a good account of reality, then you can get pretty creative with your imagination.

02:03:24.000 Right, right.

02:03:28.000 It's insane.

02:03:30.000 The idea that there's hundreds of billions of galaxies out there and that each one of them has, you know, infinite possibilities about what kind of planets are on there, how far they are from their stars, how many stars are in the solar system, what else is out there in terms of life,

02:03:45.000 what are the possibilities of things surviving out there.

02:03:48.000 They think it's possible that some living things could maybe even survive in space detached from a planet.

02:03:54.000 Right.

02:03:54.000 I mean, even the reality of evolution, like, right, I mean, when you get far enough into it and you look at all these different examples, it's, the reality of evolution is actually crazier than, like, there was a God and he had a son named Jesus.

02:04:10.000 Like, it is, it's also more accurate.

02:04:13.000 But I remember I used to be like, how could anyone believe, you know, I was very angry.

02:04:20.000 I was raised strictly Catholic, so I had some bitterness about all of that.

02:04:25.000 But then once I started learning more about evolution, it's just like, oh, I didn't know half of this stuff.

02:04:32.000 No wonder these people...

02:04:34.000 No one's been given the opportunity to learn it when you're brought up in a small town and that's just your upbringing.

02:04:41.000 Right.

02:04:42.000 Yeah.

02:04:43.000 I mean, man, just stop and think about the Big Bang. 0.86

02:04:48.000 If you want to mindfuck yourself, think about the idea that these scientists are proposing that the universe itself, everything that you say, was smaller than the head of a pin, and had infinite mass, and somehow or another exploded and created everything we see in the stars today. 0.86

02:05:02.000 What? 0.98

02:05:03.000 Are you sure?

02:05:06.000 And that's under debate.

02:05:07.000 I mean, there's other proposals.

02:05:09.000 There's other scientific ideas that have been bandied about.

02:05:12.000 Parallel universes, brains, membranes colliding.

02:05:16.000 You know, there's different universes and dimensions that are just slightly separated from each other and they collide.

02:05:22.000 The endless process of expansion and contraction.

02:05:26.000 And that's what happens.

02:05:27.000 That the entire universe expands infinitely and then pulls back into an infinitely small spot.

02:05:32.000 And then, like, you know, every...

02:05:34.000 X amount of billion years just repeats the cycle.

02:05:37.000 Yeah, and I mean, I think that our brains are endlessly fascinating, too, just that, I mean, humans like to give themselves a lot of credit, but I think that we have, kind of like the movie Inside Out, I think we have vast universes inside of our head that seem all expansive,

02:05:55.000 because I think that Dreams and hallucinating are coming from inside the mind.

02:06:03.000 I don't believe that you're connecting with different dimensions and stuff like that, but it certainly looks like it, which means you have, if I'm right, which who knows, then it means that you have this whole multiverse set up just for running all these different tasks, just for walking around and making decisions.

02:06:20.000 There's entire universes inside of your head.

02:06:23.000 Which is totally possible, but I don't have a position.

02:06:27.000 I don't have a position on whether or not it's in my mind or whether or not it's real.

02:06:30.000 And I think it's entirely possible that we need to consider the possibility that everything that's in your mind, everything that's imaginary, is actually real.

02:06:40.000 Meaning that the imagination is responsible for every single thing any human has ever done.

02:06:45.000 Every car that's ever been built, every podcast that's ever been made, every television that's ever been designed, all of that has come out of the imagination.

02:06:53.000 The imagination is this strange force inside of human, quote-unquote, consciousness that living physical, or not living, but solid physical things come from.

02:07:04.000 Literally, it's the seed of these solid physical things.

02:07:07.000 So when we say that we're imagining or hallucinating that we're experiencing some divine entity that comes to us from another dimension and explains the universe, the nature of reality...

02:07:20.000 It's entirely possible that that is a hallucination, meaning that physical thing, you can't kidnap it, you can't throw a net on it and bring it back from the wormhole and plop it down in front of the police department and say, look, I found it!

02:07:33.000 Proof of another dimension!

02:07:34.000 I brought something back!

02:07:35.000 Right.

02:07:36.000 But if you went to visit with God, say if someone proved that there is a heaven and that God is real and you can have a brief visit with God and you go to God and you talk to Him and in 15 minutes explains the nature of the universe and love and the concept of positive energy and all these different things,

02:07:53.000 please take this back with you.

02:07:55.000 Please take this back with you and do what you can to make the world a better place.

02:07:58.000 Well, if you have a trip or if you actually go to meet God, Or if you have a trip where you imagine you meet God, the experience is exactly the same.

02:08:08.000 I don't think we know what's real and what's not real.

02:08:12.000 I think we're super cocky and we're real nervous.

02:08:15.000 Like one of the reasons why we get paranoid when we smoke pot is because we start becoming aware of variables that we might have suppressed or chosen to ignore and then we're confronted with them and all of our insecurities and like a cascade, tidal wave sort of a situation where you can't handle all the data that you've been putting aside. 0.99

02:08:30.000 Like, oh, fuck! 0.99

02:08:31.000 Yeah, I smoke weed and I'm like, oh, my fucking to-do list. 1.00

02:08:35.000 I think about bills I didn't pay when I was 18. Yeah. 0.98

02:08:38.000 Like, what did I do?

02:08:39.000 There's weird things that happen to the mind, and I don't know how much of what we call the imagination.

02:08:48.000 We try to think of it as like, oh, it's just imagining things.

02:08:51.000 Man, I don't know.

02:08:53.000 I think it's entirely possible that we're really hung up on this word real.

02:08:59.000 Like what's real and what's not real.

02:09:01.000 I think we're real hung up on that.

02:09:03.000 Our day-to-day lives is dependent on imagination.

02:09:06.000 We've all imagined democracy or these laws.

02:09:09.000 We're a human invention that came from imagination that we imagine is real.

02:09:14.000 Even every corporation isn't an actual thing.

02:09:17.000 It's an idea that we just imagine and we You take it for granted.

02:09:20.000 You don't have to go like, do I believe in 7-Eleven?

02:09:27.000 You take it for granted that 7-Eleven is just an idea.

02:09:32.000 A judge could close down 7-Eleven with one of his ideas at any moment, and then it would no longer exist.

02:09:39.000 But the buildings are still there.

02:09:42.000 7-Eleven's not the building.

02:09:44.000 It's not the employees.

02:09:45.000 It's just an idea.

02:09:48.000 An idea implemented in the physical form that you can experience.

02:09:52.000 Right.

02:09:52.000 You can go and touch it.

02:09:53.000 You can walk in the door.

02:09:53.000 You can smell it.

02:09:54.000 But I just don't know if that makes it real and then everything that happens to you in your dream is not real.

02:10:01.000 I don't know.

02:10:02.000 I don't know what real is in terms of if you want to be successful in this world.

02:10:08.000 If you want to be successful in this material world, you have to consider the fact that laws are real.

02:10:12.000 You can't drive a thousand miles an hour in a 20-mile zone.

02:10:15.000 You can't punch babies.

02:10:16.000 There's a lot of real consequences for real actions because this world has rules, right?

02:10:21.000 Right.

02:10:21.000 But it doesn't mean that the trips that you have, these intense, transcendent, psychedelic experiences are hallucinations.

02:10:30.000 It doesn't mean that they're not real.

02:10:32.000 It means we might be entirely hung up on containing our consciousness and our thinking and our awareness to what we can touch and bang on and pick up and measure and look, I put it on a scale, I know it's real.

02:10:45.000 And these physical laws that we've applied to like this reality, what we call reality.

02:10:51.000 I don't necessarily know.

02:10:53.000 I think it's entirely possible to me that that might be a limiting factor on how we perceive the universe around us and that it's left over from having to worry about predators and hunting and gathering and we're moving, I believe, slowly away from that.

02:11:09.000 Not even slowly.

02:11:11.000 And I think our ability to Thank you.

02:11:31.000 Like, the realm of possibilities, as we can imagine it.

02:11:35.000 It spans dramatically.

02:11:35.000 I mean, who's even to say that punching babies is a bad thing?

02:11:38.000 I know.

02:11:39.000 I love babies.

02:11:40.000 How dare you. 1.00

02:11:41.000 You fucking single guys and your baby-punching ways. 1.00

02:11:46.000 But here's where I'm... 0.99

02:11:49.000 I try to be very, very skeptical of my trips because I've seen God in different universes and the whole bit and it seems like as real as anything I've ever experienced did.

02:11:59.000 My problem with my memory and perception of it is that it's just such a short amount of time and it's so different and so exciting that I think the brain just automatically...

02:12:11.000 I think that's very salient.

02:12:14.000 And the brain really attaches to these new and novel...

02:12:26.000 I like to say that.

02:12:28.000 Imagine instead there was someone who was born on... 0.95

02:12:36.000 Yeah.

02:12:38.000 Yeah.

02:12:43.000 Yeah.

02:12:46.000 Yeah.

02:12:52.000 Get it now!

02:12:53.000 There's like these things called jobs and like these entry-level positions and like these hierarchies and you can if you show up on time each day you can establish yourself in this hierarchy you know and then and you'd if you went in on different days it would seem like a different world like I thought I had it all figured out but then I was like this person that was in a cube typing away and then you think you have that figured out and then you hit a casual Friday and We're like,

02:13:18.000 it was weird.

02:13:19.000 I thought they all had uniforms and then they all looked different.

02:13:23.000 This, to me, this perception is just as much the trip as any psychedelic will ever get you on.

02:13:30.000 It's just that that's such a short amount of time.

02:13:33.000 This reality is very bizarre.

02:13:34.000 And we're accustomed to it.

02:13:36.000 We're just used to it.

02:13:41.000 That your reality is different than his reality, than my reality, than another person's reality. 0.99

02:13:47.000 Then what you were talking about before being how the way you view the world and how the world seems to you is more fucked up when you're hurt. 0.99

02:13:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:13:54.000 When you were injured.

02:13:55.000 Yep.

02:13:56.000 It might entirely be possible that when you make good decisions, when you decide to take care of your body, when you decide to eat healthy, when you decide to meditate or do yoga or practice mindfulness or set out an intention for your day and say, you know,

02:14:11.000 today I'm not going to complain about anything.

02:14:13.000 You know, I'm going to show up on time.

02:14:14.000 I'm not going to complain.

02:14:15.000 I'm going to be a nice person.

02:14:17.000 When a negative thought comes into my brain, it's going to be a mandate.

02:14:21.000 I'm going to do my best to push that out and replace it with a positive thought.

02:14:24.000 When someone...

02:14:25.000 It chooses to exercise that sort of a protocol, chooses to go forth with a list of things that they're going to, this is how I'm going to treat life, this is how I'm going to think about life, and I'm going to be fluid while I'm doing it, but I'm not going to allow all these things that I know to be detrimental aspects of life.

02:14:43.000 I'm not going to allow those in if I can help it.

02:14:46.000 Just doing that changes the world, right?

02:14:48.000 I mean, it literally changes your world.

02:14:50.000 Yeah.

02:14:51.000 And I think it's entirely possible that what you're talking about when you're saying that when you're enthusiastic and you're embracing the psychedelic experience, that it's possible that your brain creates all this new stuff.

02:15:01.000 But that might...

02:15:02.000 That might be the point.

02:15:03.000 That might be the point of all of it.

02:15:05.000 When you have these psychedelic trips and your brain on these psychedelic trips interacts with those songs and the music, the Icaros.

02:15:13.000 I know you didn't have the best experience of it because the DMT wasn't that strong in the ayahuasca.

02:15:19.000 But I've had experiences with the songs where you see the experience moving to the song.

02:15:25.000 Well, if a song can alter the way...

02:15:28.000 And I know there's something special about sounds and music.

02:15:32.000 There's a special connection between creative sounds that people have put together and concocted and put together in some sort of a beautiful song.

02:15:42.000 There's a response that the body has to those.

02:15:45.000 If you're on a treadmill and a great song comes on, you feel like you could run faster.

02:15:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:15:50.000 Music contains some sort of inspiration.

02:15:53.000 There's sad songs.

02:15:54.000 Yeah, but there's an effect, right?

02:15:55.000 But that effect also has an effect on the psychedelic world.

02:15:59.000 When you're tripping, those songs have an effect.

02:16:01.000 Yeah.

02:16:08.000 On experiences when you're running into people, it might have an effect on the psychedelic dreams.

02:16:13.000 It might have an effect on your future. 0.98

02:16:15.000 And it might not just be hippie bullshit. 0.97

02:16:17.000 The thinking positive and choosing to act and go forth in a positive way is just a... 0.99

02:16:24.000 Just like a good karma, sort of hippie, nonsensical way of trying to control the uncontrollable, which is this random world we live in.

02:16:33.000 It might not be true.

02:16:34.000 We just might think that because it's comforting.

02:16:37.000 We might want to think that there's less control than there actually is.

02:16:43.000 I think that, well, that's a lot.

02:16:48.000 So, one, the way in which, so I sometimes at home, I'll have like an animal planet, like planet Earth or whatever on mute.

02:16:59.000 And then I'll be playing music.

02:17:01.000 And I'll have people over.

02:17:03.000 And people think that it's...

02:17:05.000 Because I'm playing the music through the TV. People think that...

02:17:07.000 They're like, what is this program?

02:17:09.000 What's this...

02:17:09.000 I'm like, oh, it's just that...

02:17:11.000 It's just on mute with music playing over it.

02:17:14.000 But if I don't tell people that...

02:17:16.000 They'll be watching it and if it's like a happy-go-lucky song, they're like, oh man, these animals sure got it good.

02:17:23.000 Don't they?

02:17:24.000 Look at how relaxing that looks.

02:17:27.000 Just laid out in the sun and then if it's like a real intense dark song, they're like, oh my god, are they ever gonna make it?

02:17:33.000 Like it completely changes their perception of it.

02:17:36.000 This is why we have soundtracks and everything else.

02:17:38.000 Of course.

02:17:39.000 And I actually think that music altering the psychedelic State or world or perception or whatever you want to say is like I listen to this band Spongle that makes music specifically for DMT I think that that's one of my rants really as a Spongle song has this long rant where me and Jim Brewer were so barbecued on pot lollipops and this is like the

02:18:09.000 early 2000s Some guy called in and he asked us a question about something about DMT and I went on this crazy rant about DMT. And they put it in a song.

02:18:24.000 I wouldn't want to hear that while I'm tripping.

02:18:27.000 I don't like when there's words in their songs.

02:18:29.000 I try to only listen to music ones.

02:18:31.000 Way too aggro.

02:18:32.000 I'm super enthusiastic.

02:18:34.000 But I was just hanging out with my friend and we were just so high.

02:18:37.000 We're...

02:18:38.000 We barely should be talking to people.

02:18:39.000 Definitely not answering phone calls.

02:18:41.000 See, to me, the fact that a different song, and I'll see a different story, and it's pretty predictable.

02:18:47.000 I'll play this song again, and I know I'm going to see this purple woman dancing around or whatever. 1.00

02:18:53.000 And the fact that that influences that perception, that world that you're in, is more of an indicator to me that it's coming from within your head and not...

02:19:07.000 Transporting you to a different dimension or making you perceive a different dimension because why would it influence that dimension?

02:19:13.000 A better example, I smoked DMT once and I had my dog jumped on my lap while I was on a DMT trip and then it came into my DMT trip like all colorful and in codes and stuff and then I saw like kind of a bit of a dream state of Of where I would...

02:19:34.000 I saw myself setting my dog down, but I was like sitting in a different spot.

02:19:39.000 I was at the kitchen table, and it's where my dog would normally jump on my lap and where I'd normally be like, no, and sit down.

02:19:46.000 And so it was like accessing that part of that brain that has the memory like, this is when we put the dog down.

02:19:52.000 And then I lifted it off of me.

02:19:54.000 And I think there's all these...

02:19:55.000 I see lots of things like that, like these exemplars, like these kind of...

02:20:04.000 Prototype objects that your brain is using to retrieve, like if you're gonna throw a frisbee, I think that you're accessing this ideal frisbee throw in your mind.

02:20:16.000 You can probably close your eyes and picture it right now.

02:20:18.000 And I think that that's in there, like these prototypes that our brain draws off of, because I've seen that on a DMT trip, like a silhouette of a perfect frisbee throw, and then the guy's like, You might be

02:20:49.000 right.

02:20:49.000 Or they might not be mutually exclusive.

02:20:52.000 They might intertwine.

02:20:53.000 It's entirely possible that everything is connected and that when you are imagining things in the DMT realm, you're imagining things in another dimension and they're happening in that dimension because your imagination can create things in that bizarre, detached from your body world that you experience under intense psychedelic states.

02:21:11.000 It might not be mutually exclusive.

02:21:13.000 It might not be, oh, this is all my imagination.

02:21:16.000 That might be true.

02:21:18.000 You might be creating this, but that also might be real in that dimension, in that state, as far as real goes.

02:21:25.000 You know, this 15-minute lifetime, that's what you have.

02:21:28.000 You have a 15-minute DMT lifetime.

02:21:30.000 You're there for 15 minutes, and it feels like a lifetime.

02:21:32.000 Five minutes most of the time.

02:21:33.000 You've got to go deeper, son.

02:21:37.000 I usually use a vape pen.

02:21:40.000 A vape pen?

02:21:41.000 Yeah.

02:21:44.000 Why do you use one of those?

02:21:45.000 Because it's a lot smoother and you can just draw bigger hits and it's fast.

02:21:52.000 It's like an oil vaporizer.

02:21:55.000 It has like a little cup.

02:22:03.000 Yeah.

02:22:06.000 Yeah.

02:22:08.000 Yeah.

02:22:16.000 It's pretty...

02:22:17.000 Put in G-Pen.

02:22:20.000 And you're doing like...

02:22:21.000 I have a G-Pen.

02:22:21.000 I know what it is.

02:22:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:22:23.000 It's one of those.

02:22:25.000 I've tried so many different methods of smoking it, and that's just, I think, the most potent way.

02:22:31.000 And so...

02:22:33.000 I had an intense one about a week or two ago, and I had about six big rips, but I was already in there, and then I had two more big ones.

02:22:43.000 While you were in there.

02:22:44.000 It was a bit much.

02:22:46.000 It's going to be a little while before I can get back in there.

02:22:49.000 I'm going to have to process for a while.

02:22:51.000 I went for years after one, where I didn't want to go back.

02:22:54.000 I went months recently.

02:22:57.000 It was so heavy.

02:22:59.000 The way I describe it, it was very slippery for like two weeks.

02:23:04.000 Everything seemed fake.

02:23:06.000 Driving cars, I was constantly worried about cars flying over from other lanes and smashing into my windshield.

02:23:11.000 All these weird paranoid thoughts.

02:23:14.000 What I logically and objectively Feel like it's possible that it was the ego trying to regain control by like activating distress and like physical worry sort of intentions.

02:23:30.000 Like worry about strangers, worry about random crime or accidents or things along those lines. 0.98

02:23:36.000 You know, that it was like, my brain was like, hey, the world's a hard fucking place. 0.78

02:23:39.000 You know, it's like the conservative right-wing aspect of the mind sort of kicks in tenfold. 0.97

02:23:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:23:45.000 I've experienced that.

02:23:47.000 I've experienced where I'm walking down the street and then I have to be like, wait, is this real?

02:23:52.000 Or was that real?

02:23:54.000 Because it seemed really real.

02:23:55.000 But here's my take on it, is that DMT is too perfect.

02:24:00.000 Like, everything's too perfect in there and symmetrical.

02:24:04.000 Like, it would take, say, this world that we know is a simulation, it would take far more computational power than To put all these little flaws in.

02:24:12.000 To put like a spill on the coffee table or whatever.

02:24:15.000 It was 11 billion years since the Big Bang and 4 billion years of evolution. 0.99

02:24:20.000 All to get this fucking little spill on a coffee table. 0.98

02:24:24.000 Whereas DMT is like these... 0.98

02:24:27.000 You can make good DMT representations just using some fractal programs.

02:24:33.000 Or Alex Gray paintings.

02:24:35.000 Yeah.

02:24:36.000 And that's with, like, we're doing this with computers that we built and we're monkeys.

02:24:42.000 Right, but again, isn't it just what we're used to?

02:24:44.000 We're used to this imperfect world, so we think the imperfect world is normal, you know?

02:24:48.000 Maybe this is the oddity.

02:24:49.000 Maybe the oddity of the coffee spills is what's really strange, and that what DMT represents is the energy that creates the world itself unharnessed, sort of unbridled, unattached to culture, language, physical bodies, anything that we come to accept as being a normal thing.

02:25:07.000 I think there's a perfect world simulated within our mind that we're trying to act out on.

02:25:12.000 Right, but why make that distinction is the question. 0.98

02:25:15.000 And not that there's anything wrong with what you're doing versus what I'm doing, but why make a choice that it's in your mind versus What a lot of people like to say, who the fuck knows? 0.97

02:25:25.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:25:26.000 No, I say who the fuck knows as well. 0.99

02:25:28.000 Right. 0.99

02:25:28.000 I'm just trying to be... 0.99

02:25:30.000 Objective?

02:25:31.000 Scientific?

02:25:31.000 Objective, scientific, skeptical of my own perceptions, because when I'm in there, I'll come out and be like, I just saw God, no doubt about it.

02:25:39.000 Do you feel like, and this is one of the reasons why I'm getting to this line of questions, there's actually a point to it, do you feel like, because I know that you do a lot of stuff with science, and part of your presentation, your comedy show, involves science.

02:25:51.000 When you're under the scrutiny, and this is a very good thing, of other scientists and other people that are going to judge what you're saying and making sure that you're correct about your facts, do you find that you tend to be more skeptical or tend to lean towards Occam's razor,

02:26:08.000 more acceptable answers, more scientifically plausible, or at least more scientifically acceptable in academic circles.

02:26:17.000 Absolutely.

02:26:18.000 I think that, one, my brain just likes working that way anyway.

02:26:23.000 I was always a big fan of math and very good at it, and I kind of liked numbers because you could make sense of the world.

02:26:32.000 And I would say that I was actually scared to the psychedelic show that I do now.

02:26:37.000 I was planning on doing it like five years from now or so.

02:26:40.000 I've been sitting on it for like a couple of years, really.

02:26:43.000 And I was like, well, once I'm like a bigger name or something, then maybe I'll have the power to go out and do this because I have my podcast.

02:26:51.000 I interview scientists each week and I need to reach out to these people.

02:26:54.000 I'm like, oh, I don't want them thinking I'm like some burnout or some lunatic or something like that.

02:26:58.000 So absolutely, that absolutely factors in my perception of things.

02:27:08.000 Also, none of my memories of any of this stuff are reliable.

02:27:12.000 You know what would be interesting with the idea you were talking about before, if you scanned someone's brain and then you watched the replay of them hitting a home run or something?

02:27:23.000 Well, that memory wouldn't necessarily be accurate.

02:27:25.000 In fact, there's a good chance that it wouldn't be.

02:27:28.000 And so you could see different people's, how people's memory looks as opposed to what was actually captured on CCTV or whatever it might be, you know?

02:27:40.000 Well, as your example, the hot and cold thing, but how all the different factors that sort of are involved and how you feel about things.

02:27:47.000 yeah and and just everyone also we're very ego driven we tend to think that we tend to think that we're smarter and more attractive and more skilled driver or whatever yeah you know that do you know the study where they took the faces and they morphed to them like 10 degrees five times and each way to make them more or less attractive so you take your face and I think?

02:28:29.000 All of the pictures, all mixed up to a person and give them like a second to pick it or whatever.

02:28:34.000 And people predictably will pick the one that's 10-20% more attractive.

02:28:43.000 So you think of yourself as like 10-20% Like, around 15% smarter, more attractive, more skilled at driving, whatever it might be, because that gives you the confidence, which is often beneficial in life.

02:28:56.000 But you're not thinking 30% more, because now you're delusional.

02:29:00.000 Right.

02:29:01.000 Well, some people do, though.

02:29:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:29:03.000 They tip that scale. 0.73

02:29:04.000 And there's people with low self-esteem that don't, you know.

02:29:08.000 There's a lot of factors.

02:29:09.000 Yeah, there are.

02:29:10.000 And also, one person's perception of you, like objective perception, might be very different.

02:29:15.000 Like, you and I might observe someone, and you might come away with a take, like, oh, this guy's this and that, and I'd be like, hmm, I thought he was this or that.

02:29:23.000 And then we would discuss it, and then I'd figure out, well, he reminded you of this asshole you used to know, and he reminded me of my best friend from high school, and just weird things, and again, things we bring into how we approach anything. 0.97

02:29:38.000 Your brain to save it. 0.98

02:29:39.000 I mean, you just can't sit and analyze every little aspect.

02:29:45.000 I could sit in this table and really see every single little grain of it if I wanted to, but at some point the brain has to be like, who cares?

02:29:53.000 That's not valuable information.

02:29:55.000 You've got to eat.

02:29:57.000 Unless you're going to sleep every two hours.

02:29:58.000 So we jump to a lot of conclusions.

02:29:59.000 We stereotype.

02:30:01.000 We simplify everything.

02:30:03.000 And that's one of the reasons why we chastise people for racism, because we know how easily the inclination to judge people specifically on what they look like is, and how unfair it is.

02:30:12.000 You know, and how reminding ourselves over and over again that that's not cool, it like gives the whole culture more of a relaxed feeling.

02:30:21.000 Humans are so strange, man.

02:30:23.000 It's so cool to be a person.

02:30:26.000 It's so bizarre when you think about all the variables and the possibilities of human behavior and how different cultures accept certain things and we look different and we live in different climates. 0.84

02:30:36.000 We're such an odd fucking creature that's just completely overwhelming this globe. 0.75

02:30:41.000 Yeah, existence is a bizarre thing that I just, I can't get my head around existence. 0.98

02:30:47.000 I never really liked it that much.

02:30:50.000 Existence?

02:30:50.000 Yeah, I didn't.

02:30:51.000 Before you broke your heels or after?

02:30:53.000 Before.

02:30:53.000 Really?

02:30:54.000 When I was a kid.

02:30:55.000 When you were all cross-fitted up, you didn't like existence?

02:30:57.000 No, I did then.

02:31:00.000 You were healthy and vibrant.

02:31:03.000 You had all this energy.

02:31:05.000 I mean, I was always a young, angsty young man.

02:31:11.000 Very bitter about the world.

02:31:13.000 Most of the best stuff comes from that.

02:31:14.000 Very depressed.

02:31:15.000 Yeah. 0.50

02:31:16.000 When I started comedy, I used to drink like a lunatic.

02:31:21.000 Now I drink more like a normal person.

02:31:25.000 When I was my most hungover, which I'd only get four hangovers a year, but when I was as sick as I've ever been, that's when I'd get my best writing done.

02:31:36.000 It's like some self-defense mechanism or something like that.

02:31:39.000 My brain doesn't operate like that anymore, but...

02:31:42.000 Well, I think when you're in periods of extreme emotion or energy or just a transitionary moment in your life, whether it's a breakup or the end of a job or moving to a new place, it sort of kicks in this effect.

02:31:57.000 The newness, the novelty of that experience sort of kicks in this effect where you want to express yourself.

02:32:04.000 You want to sort of reestablish your point of view on things, your perspective on things.

02:32:09.000 A lot of great stuff comes from that.

02:32:12.000 A lot of great music, especially, right?

02:32:14.000 I mean, teen angst and angst.

02:32:16.000 It's like, where's the Nirvana without angst?

02:32:19.000 Yeah.

02:32:20.000 Right?

02:32:20.000 I mean, one of the greatest bands of all time.

02:32:23.000 Yeah.

02:32:23.000 Rape Me, My Friend?

02:32:24.000 Really?

02:32:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:32:25.000 You know, I mean, that is just pure response to just the frustrations of the world.

02:32:32.000 Preaching to the choir.

02:32:33.000 Nirvana was my first love.

02:32:34.000 Dude.

02:32:35.000 I, to this day, remember a buddy of mine playing it for me.

02:32:39.000 And it was a cassette tape, and we were in Newton, Massachusetts.

02:32:43.000 It wasn't even my friend.

02:32:44.000 It was my friend Jimmy's friend.

02:32:45.000 We were over at his house, and he was like, you gotta hear this.

02:32:47.000 It's called Nirvana. 0.99

02:32:48.000 And we were playing, and we were both like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:32:51.000 These guys went deep. 1.00

02:32:53.000 It smells like teen spirit, you know?

02:32:54.000 I hadn't really listened to any music at the time that I discovered Nirvana.

02:32:59.000 I discovered Nirvana through Weird Al.

02:33:01.000 Did a parody of Smells Like Teen Spirit that I liked.

02:33:04.000 And then I was like, that music sounds pretty cool.

02:33:07.000 And then I found the real version.

02:33:08.000 And that was the first time I enjoyed music that wasn't a joke.

02:33:12.000 My friend Eddie was in a band back in those days, and he was in a metal band, and he was like, that song, that band completely killed metal.

02:33:24.000 They completely killed hair bands, like Poison and those kind of bands.

02:33:28.000 They just...

02:33:29.000 Died.

02:33:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:33:30.000 Because they seemed so silly. 0.99

02:33:32.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.65

02:33:33.000 You know, like, you know, it just seemed like, you know, it's like you had water in your ear, and you got the water out of your ear, and also you could hear, and you could,

02:33:49.000 hey man, why don't you stuff your ear up with cotton?

02:33:51.000 Man, I'm not into that, dude.

02:33:52.000 I'm not wearing makeup.

02:33:53.000 I'm not putting on hairspray.

02:33:54.000 I'm not teasing my hair up.

02:33:57.000 There's just something about the real rawness of that music.

02:34:01.000 I mean, even Guns N' Roses, man.

02:34:03.000 Remember when Axl Rose used to tease his hair? 0.98

02:34:05.000 His hair's all sprayed up and fucked up like an 80s girl from Dallas. 0.98

02:34:10.000 Remember that? 0.99

02:34:12.000 Yeah.

02:34:12.000 Nirvana came along and he was like, no more hairspray, bro.

02:34:16.000 This is not working, man.

02:34:18.000 Yeah, I mean, there's so much great comedy that came out of anger and horrible times.

02:34:24.000 Yeah, there he is.

02:34:25.000 It was teased up here.

02:34:27.000 If you go to the Welcome to the Jungle, Welcome to the Jungle video is the best example of it.

02:34:34.000 It's crazy, man. 0.85

02:34:35.000 The different shifts in culture and what's acceptable and then just becomes completely ridiculous. 0.95

02:34:41.000 Look at that. 0.86

02:34:42.000 He he he he he he.

02:34:44.000 Look at all that hair.

02:34:46.000 It's crazy.

02:34:46.000 But that was what people did back then.

02:34:49.000 That was like a big look.

02:34:52.000 I remember he had so many tattoos, I was like, oh my god, that guy's ruined his body with all his tattoos.

02:34:57.000 I remember thinking that when I was a kid.

02:35:00.000 I still have a natural, like, Midwestern aversion to tattoos.

02:35:08.000 I think tattoos are, like, I'm starting to grow in appreciation for them, but it's, like, taken me work to get there, and I don't have any myself.

02:35:18.000 It's an embracing in the finite aspect of life.

02:35:22.000 This is not going to last.

02:35:24.000 Like this idea that you're going to ruin your body forever.

02:35:26.000 Your body's not going to be around forever.

02:35:28.000 You know, like, what's it going to look like when you're 80?

02:35:30.000 Do you think anybody wants to see your back when you're 80?

02:35:33.000 It doesn't matter if there's a unicorn on it. 1.00

02:35:35.000 Your back looks like shit. 1.00

02:35:36.000 You have an old, crazy, wrinkly back. 1.00

02:35:38.000 And then when that comes, you're just going to be concentrating on staying alive. 0.63

02:35:42.000 I like the idea of having little snapshots from your life.

02:35:46.000 Even if, say, your tattoo has nothing to do with anything, just a cool design, you'll still remember that period of your life a little bit more, I think, looking at that tattoo.

02:35:57.000 You'll remember when you got it and where you were at that state.

02:36:00.000 That's what Anthony Bourdain has.

02:36:01.000 He has a gang of tattoos all from different trips.

02:36:04.000 He gets them in different trips and sort of reminds him, oh, I got this in Bali.

02:36:08.000 This was from Hawaii.

02:36:10.000 And having something like that, to him, it's like these anchors for these incredible experiences that he's had. 0.97

02:36:18.000 Who the fuck has traveled more over the world than that guy, right? 0.53

02:36:21.000 I think he'd look good in a Japanese bodysuit, dude. 0.97

02:36:23.000 What do you think?

02:36:24.000 What's a Japanese bodysuit?

02:36:26.000 They go crazy Yakuza style.

02:36:27.000 They go from the neck down. 0.98

02:36:29.000 They have everything, all the way, your butt, all the way down to your feet.

02:36:33.000 I'm not picturing what you're describing.

02:36:35.000 You've never seen a Yakuza Japanese tattoo bodysuit?

02:36:38.000 You've never seen these guys?

02:36:39.000 It's crazy.

02:36:40.000 They do the whole bodysuit.

02:36:42.000 That's you.

02:36:43.000 That's me?

02:36:44.000 Yeah, man.

02:36:44.000 I'm telling you.

02:36:45.000 You're missing out.

02:36:46.000 This is your future.

02:36:47.000 How old are you?

02:36:48.000 Yeah, why not?

02:36:48.000 How old are you now?

02:36:49.000 I'm 36. Not too late.

02:36:50.000 Start now.

02:36:51.000 Start now, you'll be done in 10 years.

02:36:52.000 Just get working on it.

02:36:53.000 By the time you're 46, you look like this, dude.

02:36:55.000 That's a good look.

02:36:56.000 That's scary to me.

02:36:58.000 You know, I do really like those 3D tattoos.

02:37:02.000 Yeah, like really good ones?

02:37:04.000 Yeah, if you just Google 3D tattoo images with the girl's weird creepy leg that looks hollow. 1.00

02:37:12.000 That leg there, I think that looks cool as fuck. 0.96

02:37:15.000 Oh yeah, that's amazing. 0.99

02:37:16.000 That's one of the best ones I've ever seen.

02:37:18.000 That's incredible, really.

02:37:19.000 Yeah.

02:37:20.000 It's bizarre.

02:37:21.000 It's so bizarre.

02:37:22.000 She looks like a wood carving, if you haven't seen it.

02:37:24.000 It looks like a thin piece of wood we've carved out.

02:37:28.000 Yeah.

02:37:29.000 I think if I was going to get something, it'd either be something like that, or...

02:37:33.000 I don't know that I'll ever have a memory that I'll get a tattoo of.

02:37:36.000 Look at that brick star, Jamie.

02:37:38.000 Look at that brick star in the middle, on the top.

02:37:39.000 Yeah.

02:37:40.000 Whoa. 1.00

02:37:41.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:37:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:37:42.000 That's incredible. 1.00

02:37:43.000 Yeah.

02:37:44.000 Look what he's done to the outer skin where it looks like ripped parchment and below it is all of his ideas. 0.99

02:37:51.000 What a great fucking tattoo. 0.99

02:37:52.000 That's a great tattoo. 1.00

02:37:56.000 Yeah.

02:37:56.000 You know, you've got to find a good artist, too.

02:37:58.000 You've got to have someone you trust to draw on you.

02:38:02.000 Whoa, that guy's foot. 0.99

02:38:03.000 That's fucking freaking me out, man. 1.00

02:38:04.000 Maybe you should get that shit. 1.00

02:38:06.000 Yeah, just as a reminder to not jump so much. 1.00

02:38:09.000 I still am not afraid of...

02:38:11.000 I still love heights to this day.

02:38:14.000 Really? 0.87

02:38:15.000 Yeah, I won't jump off shit anymore because I'd feel silly if I hurt myself again, but I can't get enough of them. 0.98

02:38:20.000 Did you see that? 0.98

02:38:20.000 I put a video up on Instagram a couple of days ago that someone sent me. 0.98

02:38:24.000 Oh my god.

02:38:26.000 Oh my god.

02:38:27.000 James Kingston just posted of him up in Hollywood.

02:38:29.000 That's not as freaky as the one that I put.

02:38:31.000 It is pretty freaky.

02:38:32.000 But this other one is freaky because it's like most of it is looking down and jumping down to their feet on these little ledges.

02:38:41.000 Like, look at this.

02:38:42.000 Watch this. 1.00

02:38:42.000 Prepare to shit your pants. 1.00

02:38:44.000 Watch this. 1.00

02:38:44.000 Watch this guy. 1.00

02:38:45.000 Ha ha! 0.86

02:38:46.000 He drops down.

02:38:47.000 I mean, he's hanging over the edge.

02:38:49.000 I'm freaking out just watching this.

02:38:51.000 See, that's the kind of stuff that I like.

02:38:54.000 I'm way into.

02:38:56.000 Like, I want to do that.

02:38:59.000 Oh, see, dude, my hands are sweating right now.

02:39:01.000 I'm like, dude, okay, we did it.

02:39:03.000 We did it.

02:39:03.000 Let's get out of here.

02:39:04.000 Climb back up. 0.93

02:39:05.000 Yeah, I've done weird shit like that. 1.00

02:39:08.000 So even though you busted your fucking... 1.00

02:39:10.000 Look at this! 1.00

02:39:10.000 Oh, Jesus Christ! 1.00

02:39:12.000 Yeah, that seems...

02:39:14.000 That's like something that I could see myself doing. 0.98

02:39:18.000 Goddammit, son! 0.98

02:39:20.000 I can't watch this.

02:39:22.000 You could see yourself doing that, really?

02:39:23.000 Yeah.

02:39:24.000 Why, man?

02:39:24.000 Maybe not the jumping.

02:39:26.000 I don't know.

02:39:27.000 I've always been a bit of an adrenaline junkie.

02:39:31.000 I like pushing it a little too far.

02:39:33.000 It gets me in trouble sometimes.

02:39:35.000 Well, I guess it did that one time.

02:39:37.000 Many times in my life.

02:39:39.000 What other times?

02:39:41.000 I've had to go to jail and stuff like that.

02:39:43.000 What did you have to go to jail for?

02:39:46.000 I've had just drinking mostly.

02:39:49.000 Way, way, way back before I was a comedian or anything.

02:39:53.000 I had a couple drunk driving tickets, and I've run from cops like a hundred times in my life.

02:39:58.000 You've run from cops?

02:40:00.000 In a car?

02:40:01.000 No, no, no.

02:40:01.000 On feet?

02:40:03.000 On a car twice, actually.

02:40:04.000 Twice?

02:40:05.000 Yeah.

02:40:06.000 The first time I got away, the second time I didn't.

02:40:09.000 Jesus Christ, dude. 1.00

02:40:10.000 You're a fucking criminal. 1.00

02:40:11.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:40:12.000 Shane Moe's criminal. 0.89

02:40:14.000 I just had this very sheltered, wholesome upbringing that fucked with my head because I just knew it wasn't reality and I just tried to do everything that I could to rebel against it. 0.72

02:40:27.000 What kind of car were you driving when you were running away from the cops?

02:40:30.000 I was driving a 95 Honda Civic stick shift.

02:40:34.000 All that happened was...

02:40:36.000 What kind of cops are we raising? 0.88

02:40:38.000 The guy that...

02:40:39.000 I know.

02:40:40.000 So the cop was driving past me, and then he saw me, and then he had to turn around.

02:40:48.000 Right.

02:40:49.000 And I think I was speeding or something like that.

02:40:52.000 But he had to go past me and turn around, and it was in my neighborhood.

02:40:56.000 And I just took a couple turns quick and hid behind a building, turned my lights off.

02:41:01.000 And I saw him through these windows.

02:41:03.000 It was real intense.

02:41:04.000 Pull up to the stop sign.

02:41:06.000 I saw him looking for me back and forth through this road.

02:41:09.000 And then I saw him take off in the other direction. 0.95

02:41:11.000 And then I just fucking flipped around and I got the hell out of there. 0.70

02:41:14.000 It was awesome. 0.80

02:41:15.000 What was he looking for you for?

02:41:16.000 I think I was just speeding.

02:41:18.000 Just rubbing banks.

02:41:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:41:20.000 I think, who knows, if I was like swerving or whatever else, or you just saw a kid that was, you know, I was like 16, 17 at the time, saw a kid that was out at like 1 in the morning or whatever, and might have done something.

02:41:32.000 I don't know.

02:41:32.000 The second time when I got caught...

02:41:37.000 This is so fucking stupid. 1.00

02:41:41.000 I was driving and I was like flying. 1.00

02:41:46.000 I don't know what my reasoning was exactly.

02:41:48.000 Like I said, I was an adrenaline junkie, but I was like flying through stop signs and stuff.

02:41:52.000 I was going like 70 miles an hour in a 20 mile an hour zone and like...

02:41:56.000 Three or four in the morning.

02:41:58.000 I was trying to get back to my friend's house before they went to bed so I would have a place to crash.

02:42:03.000 That was like my weird logic behind it.

02:42:06.000 And also it was fun for me to be drunk and driving this fast.

02:42:10.000 And I blew through a few stop signs and then I saw... 0.99

02:42:15.000 And then I saw this car with its lights on, and I'm like, fuck, that's a cop. 0.96

02:42:19.000 But I just kept on driving anyway that fast, and I kept on swerving around corners. 0.92

02:42:25.000 And he was catching up to me pretty easily.

02:42:28.000 And then when he put his lights on, I pulled over, And then he came up and I was like, oh, thank God!

02:42:36.000 I thought you were this person that was chasing me.

02:42:39.000 They had this Dodge Neon that was like similar, kind of made up headlights that would look similar.

02:42:45.000 You had a whole creative story?

02:42:46.000 Yeah, and there's like a couple people, a couple cops showed up and I was, because they called me in when they were like, this is a chase.

02:42:53.000 But as soon as the guy put his lights on, I pulled right over.

02:42:56.000 And, um...

02:42:58.000 And he... 0.94

02:42:59.000 I don't know if I was fucking fooling these two good dudes or what, but it was like, I think they're gonna let me go. 0.98

02:43:08.000 And then this woman cop showed up that knew me, because I had like 11 underage drinking tickets and shit. 1.00

02:43:15.000 She's like, is that Shane Moss? 0.94

02:43:17.000 He's like, he's up to something.

02:43:19.000 Give him a breath of lies.

02:43:20.000 And she comes over, and I was wearing a winter coat, and she's like, what's in your pockets?

02:43:25.000 And I looked down, and I had two beer cans in each pocket that couldn't have been more obvious. 1.00

02:43:33.000 Like, ah, fuck. 0.99

02:43:35.000 And I took them out, and that was my second Dewey. 1.00

02:43:40.000 Yeah.

02:43:40.000 Never got another one.

02:43:42.000 Good for you.

02:43:42.000 Yeah.

02:43:43.000 Yeah, that's a good time to end.

02:43:45.000 I was 20 years old, and I had a bit of arrested development.

02:43:49.000 I was a bit immature.

02:43:53.000 I was extremely rebellious.

02:43:55.000 A bit of an adrenaline junkie.

02:43:57.000 Yeah.

02:43:57.000 Where can people see your show?

02:43:58.000 Because we've got to wrap this up.

02:43:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:43:59.000 I have a 65-city tour with my show about psychedelics.

02:44:05.000 It's called A Good Trip.

02:44:06.000 So if you live in the United States, I will be in your area.

02:44:09.000 I'm making a large loop around the U.S. and then a small loop.

02:44:14.000 And it's Shane Moss on Twitter.

02:44:16.000 M-A-U-S-S dot com.

02:44:17.000 And it's Shane Comedy on Twitter.

02:44:19.000 Shane Comedy on Twitter.

02:44:20.000 Shane, what is it on Instagram?

02:44:22.000 I don't have an Instagram, actually.

02:44:24.000 And my podcast is HereWeAre.

02:44:26.000 So if you go to HereWeArePodcast.com, I have a different scientist on each week talking about their research.

02:44:32.000 Cool.

02:44:32.000 Thanks, Shane.

02:44:33.000 This was a lot of fun, man.

02:44:34.000 Thank you so much.

02:44:34.000 I had a great time talking to you, man.

02:44:35.000 Yeah, me too.

02:44:36.000 I will be back tomorrow with John Anthony of the famed Magical Egypt 1 and 2 DVD series.

02:44:43.000 A fucking fascinating discussion on Egypt will certainly follow.

02:44:48.000 See you soon. 0.98

02:44:48.000 Bye. 0.98

02:44:50.000 Thanks so much!

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 26, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #851 - Shane Mauss

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