The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #853 - Adam Greentree

00:00:00.000 Five, four, three, two, one.

00:00:05.000 Now, most people in America consider Calabasas to be one of the safest places.

00:00:11.000 That's where the Kardashians chose to live, not Adam Greentree.

00:00:15.000 Adam Greentree lives in Australia, surrounded by brown snakes, which kill you like instantly, right? 0.55

00:00:22.000 Don't they kill you?

00:00:22.000 Pretty quick?

00:00:23.000 Yeah, pretty quick. 0.73

00:00:25.000 How many spiders do you have that'll kill you instantly? 0.86

00:00:27.000 Like a ton of them.

00:00:28.000 A hundred.

00:00:28.000 A hundred, right?

00:00:29.000 You've got crocodiles.

00:00:30.000 You've bathed. 1.00

00:00:31.000 I saw the video of you and Cam Haynes in a fucking puddle that crocodiles swim around in. 1.00

00:00:38.000 That might have been my idea, too. 0.99

00:00:40.000 But yet, the one day he's in Calabasas, which is like the safest place in America.

00:00:45.000 Untrue, but yep.

00:00:48.000 Well, tell me what happened.

00:00:49.000 Well, so I hopped out of the hotel first thing this morning to go and try and find a decent coffee here in America.

00:00:55.000 And there's police surrounding the whole area where the coffee shop was and they had guns drawn and everything.

00:01:03.000 And then I heard later that someone actually had a gun out and there might have even been shots fired.

00:01:08.000 Yeah, crazy stuff.

00:01:09.000 And then I'm like...

00:01:10.000 Had a coffee bean?

00:01:11.000 It was, had a coffee bean, yeah.

00:01:11.000 Yeah.

00:01:14.000 Find out what happened, Jamie.

00:01:15.000 See if there's a story.

00:01:17.000 I said it was probably like some wife mad at her husband. 0.75

00:01:21.000 Yeah, it seemed more serious than that.

00:01:22.000 Called in the police.

00:01:23.000 He's got a gun!

00:01:24.000 Like, that's happened before.

00:01:25.000 That happened with Ron White.

00:01:27.000 I think his girlfriend packed a gun in his luggage. 1.00

00:01:30.000 That happened with Sam Kinison, too.

00:01:32.000 His girlfriend packed a loaded gun in his luggage and then called the police on him.

00:01:36.000 That's crazy. 0.99

00:01:37.000 But straight away, I'm like, it's safer in the mountains with the grizzly bears and crap. 0.99

00:01:44.000 Yes and no. 0.89

00:01:46.000 Definitely not safer if you actually run into a grizzly bear.

00:01:46.000 Definitely is.

00:01:50.000 But for the most part, it's pretty peaceful, right?

00:01:52.000 Yeah, most people are worried about grizzly bears, but you could be around them for days and days, and most likely nothing's going to happen.

00:01:59.000 Most likely.

00:02:01.000 Most likely.

00:02:02.000 But when you were up there, did you run into some wolves?

00:02:05.000 Yeah.

00:02:06.000 Well, I've seen wolves, and then the grizzly bear's the one that sort of really scared me.

00:02:11.000 I had a handgun out, and I actually had to draw that handgun a few times while I was up in the mountains.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, there was one real big grizzly, like size 11 boots, that come in around camp and was hunting all the trails around camp.

00:02:22.000 Size 11 boots, so it's like a 12-inch pad?

00:02:26.000 Yeah.

00:02:26.000 Oh my god.

00:02:27.000 How big do you think it was?

00:02:29.000 Did you see the actual bear itself?

00:02:31.000 Yeah, so once I actually killed the bull, which was about day 10 or 11, he was sleeping on the carcass about 60 metres from it.

00:02:39.000 He was sleeping on your carcass?

00:02:41.000 He slept on it.

00:02:43.000 Did he eat some of it?

00:02:43.000 He didn't touch it.

00:02:45.000 What?

00:02:45.000 Yeah, it was like the first day.

00:02:47.000 So I killed that bull in the afternoon, packed out a decent load of meat that night, went back in the first morning, the next morning, to pack out the rest of the meat, and was going in there looking, thinking there could be a bear on the carcass.

00:02:59.000 And sure enough, I seen a bit of brown hair in the creek bottom.

00:03:03.000 So he's just sleeping on it?

00:03:05.000 Just sleeping there.

00:03:06.000 And so I yelled at him.

00:03:07.000 He pricked his ears up and had a look around.

00:03:10.000 I yelled at him the second time and he jumped up and...

00:03:12.000 He disappeared like that.

00:03:14.000 Like, scary.

00:03:16.000 This is thick timber.

00:03:18.000 A lot of deadfall and everything.

00:03:20.000 And he just disappeared through that.

00:03:22.000 And it actually got me thinking that if you didn't see a bear coming from a distance, handgun, bear spray, whatever you've got, you'd be in serious trouble.

00:03:30.000 Because he just left that scene dead quiet and in a flash.

00:03:34.000 They can move so fast in those pads that they have on the bottoms of their feet.

00:03:38.000 It makes them so silent.

00:03:39.000 Padded and quiet, yeah.

00:03:40.000 And you would think that a thousand-pound animal wouldn't be able to move that quick.

00:03:44.000 Yeah, so I'm strapping meat to my pack.

00:03:47.000 Obviously, there's always a blind spot when you're hunched over.

00:03:50.000 I reckon it took me three times longer to get the meat on my pack because I was just constantly looking over, waiting for that bear to come back.

00:03:56.000 Because I haven't actually been to the carcass again yet.

00:03:58.000 I've seen the bear on the way back in.

00:04:02.000 Pretty scary.

00:04:03.000 How big was it?

00:04:03.000 Giant.

00:04:04.000 Big.

00:04:05.000 Like 11 feet tall?

00:04:07.000 Yeah, it'd be 11 feet tall.

00:04:08.000 Yeah, scary.

00:04:11.000 And you're alone, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep into the mountains.

00:04:14.000 At the end of that hunt, I was talking to the fishing game warden in the area, and a big grizzly had gone into another hunter's camp on the mountain and just absolutely destroyed his camp.

00:04:24.000 Now, I don't know if it was the same bear or a different bear, but on three occasions, a big brown bear or grizzly come back into my camp.

00:04:32.000 And each night that he'd come in, he'd get a little bit closer.

00:04:35.000 So the first night he circled camp about 50, 60 metres away.

00:04:38.000 The next night he circled camp about 30 metres away.

00:04:42.000 And the third time he came in, he'd come right into the back of camp, like 15 metres away, let out this gnarly growl.

00:04:49.000 And at this point, my buddy Grant Hughes has come in to help me pack out some meat.

00:04:53.000 He's in his tent, I'm in my tent, when you hear this bear walking in through the snow and lets out a growl.

00:04:58.000 I didn't want to go...

00:05:00.000 Like, Grant, did you hear that?

00:05:01.000 Or, Grant, there's a bear in camp.

00:05:03.000 I didn't want to let the bear know that I'm in the tent, man.

00:05:05.000 I just laid there dead quiet.

00:05:07.000 I had the handgun sitting on my chest, loaded, ready to go.

00:05:11.000 And I laid awake for like three hours.

00:05:14.000 Like, you heard the bear walk off.

00:05:16.000 And I laid awake for three hours, and I get up in the morning, and I'm like, dude, did you hear that bear?

00:05:20.000 And he's like, did I hear the bear? 0.99

00:05:21.000 Holy shit, dude. 0.99

00:05:22.000 I didn't want to move or make a sound. 0.99

00:05:24.000 He had the same idea as me.

00:05:25.000 He didn't want to give away his location.

00:05:27.000 And I'm like, yeah, it took me three hours to get to sleep.

00:05:29.000 And he's like, sleep? 0.99

00:05:30.000 You got fucking sleep? 1.00

00:05:32.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:05:34.000 He was like, hell pissed off, man. 1.00

00:05:35.000 He laid awake all night.

00:05:36.000 Well, you're in like a tent burrito.

00:05:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:40.000 You're a human burrito. 0.90

00:05:41.000 And you're even staying warm in your sleeping bag, you know?

00:05:43.000 He's got to be able to smell you, too.

00:05:44.000 They must know you're in there.

00:05:46.000 I wonder if they smell you and then they smell the meat, what they would be more attracted to.

00:05:53.000 I don't know.

00:05:53.000 I don't reckon I smell real good, so hopefully the meat...

00:05:56.000 I bet they like things that don't smell good, though.

00:05:58.000 They probably do, yeah.

00:05:59.000 Meat was hanging up probably a good mile from camp, because we had a few different drop points, because it was a four days hike out of meat.

00:06:07.000 So we had different drop points along the way, and I never wanted to take any meat in the camp except for what I'd be eating each night.

00:06:13.000 Which cooked meat might smell pretty good to a bear, but I was more concerned about the scent that we would be carrying on our boots from meat site to meat site and then walking back into camp.

00:06:23.000 But that bear had already been in the camp.

00:06:26.000 He knew where we were and he was doing his rounds obviously every night.

00:06:29.000 Have you done an adventure like this before?

00:06:31.000 This is an epic adventure because you went to Montana, you parked, and then how many miles did you go deep into the woods?

00:06:38.000 It was probably about 12 miles in the end.

00:06:40.000 That's no trails or anything like that, 12 miles in.

00:06:42.000 12 miles into Montana.

00:06:45.000 Montana is, if folks have never visited Montana, is one of the most unspoiled parts of America.

00:06:53.000 Below Alaska, but not far below it.

00:06:56.000 So you're already super remote, like we're already a long way from anywhere.

00:07:00.000 And parked at a trailhead, so obviously I had 11 days solo by myself, and then my buddy Grant came in to help me pack that bull out.

00:07:08.000 It ended up being 14 days in the end by the time we got the meat out.

00:07:12.000 Wow.

00:07:13.000 Yeah, it's cool.

00:07:14.000 I've done similar adventures because a lot of back home in Australia is all super remote.

00:07:20.000 So 90% of it's backcountry, really back home.

00:07:25.000 But it's a different kind of backcountry when you're dealing with wolves and bears.

00:07:29.000 Yeah, it definitely is.

00:07:30.000 This was solo, minimal gear because everything's in your backpack that you've got for the hunt.

00:07:36.000 So it's super light and you're cutting down on a lot of essentials that you need just to get back in there.

00:07:42.000 When you do this, I've been obsessed with lightweight backpacking lately.

00:07:47.000 It's awesome.

00:07:47.000 I've been paying attention to these guys that do the Appalachian Trail.

00:07:52.000 Yep.

00:07:53.000 They hike from Georgia all the way up to Maine.

00:07:57.000 It takes five months.

00:07:58.000 That's insane. 0.67

00:07:59.000 They're insane.

00:08:00.000 But it's one of those things... 0.98

00:08:01.000 There's a real problem with the human brain.

00:08:03.000 It's like we were talking about our pal Cam Haynes in this 200-mile run he just did.

00:08:07.000 And when there's a challenge in front of you and you find out that someone has done it before, you start going, hmm, man, maybe I could do 200 miles...

00:08:14.000 He's like, there's something fucked up about people's brains where when you find that someone's doing something like, I have zero desire to take five months out of my life and walk from Georgia to Maine.

00:08:25.000 Yeah, but I bet you once you got it done, that's the difference. 0.96

00:08:28.000 Well, part of my brain was like, hmm. 1.00

00:08:30.000 I started thinking about it, and I'm like, shut up, stupid. 1.00

00:08:33.000 You're not fucking hiking to Maine. 1.00

00:08:36.000 Stop it. 0.99

00:08:37.000 But part of me was listening to this guy.

00:08:40.000 It was on the Rich Outdoors.

00:08:42.000 You've done Rich's podcast before.

00:08:43.000 It's his podcast.

00:08:44.000 One of his buddies is a trail guy, and they were talking about lightweight gear and how they pack stuff.

00:08:51.000 The difference between what a guy uses for hunting and what someone uses for, like, just these long, long, long, long hikes, where they essentially wear the same clothes for five months.

00:09:01.000 That sounds hygienic.

00:09:02.000 Yeah.

00:09:03.000 Well, I mean, I guess you maybe get a chance occasionally to wash them somewhere, but everything is, like, the lightest possible stuff that you could have.

00:09:13.000 And when you do this, say, if you're going to go out there and you're planning on how many days?

00:09:19.000 15. I wanted to do at least half the month in Montana and I wanted to do the other half of the month in Idaho.

00:09:26.000 So 15 days and a little bit of the trip's got to be unprepared in a sense.

00:09:31.000 When you're doing 15 days, that sort of hunt because the country's like straight up and down.

00:09:37.000 There's no other way to do it.

00:09:38.000 There's no, I'm going to drive to the Ridgeline or I'm going to walk a decent trail to the Ridgeline or take an ATV and it's just all on foot, straight up and down country.

00:09:47.000 So And to have a little bit of roughness to a trip like that, where you are roughing it, that's a bit of the appeal as well, and the experience in doing it.

00:09:58.000 I was just talking with the guys at Hoyt, and they were asking, what's the essentials that you had in your pack that you wouldn't go without?

00:10:06.000 And I'm like, well, how about I tell you about the stuff that I wish I had in my pack and that I didn't go without?

00:10:11.000 Like, what stuff do you wish you had?

00:10:12.000 I didn't take any rain gear in.

00:10:14.000 I didn't take any rain gear in, and I didn't check the weather before I went in, deliberately, because I didn't want any deterrent on the trip.

00:10:14.000 What?

00:10:21.000 Like, oh, it's going to snow, or it's going to hail, or there's going to be gale force winds, I shouldn't go in today, or I should pack this extra.

00:10:27.000 I just, I wanted to ignore all that, just go in, just live in the wilderness, basically, with the minimal.

00:10:34.000 And, um...

00:10:35.000 I got all that weather.

00:10:37.000 I got hail three times.

00:10:38.000 I got gale force winds.

00:10:40.000 I got rain followed by snow.

00:10:42.000 So soaking wet, then freezing cold.

00:10:45.000 And you just had to stay active the whole time.

00:10:48.000 I'd literally get to a mountain and I'd sit down for two minutes and you'd go from sweating to freezing cold because you were wet.

00:10:56.000 And actually hike the mountain just to get warm.

00:10:59.000 Were you wearing wool?

00:11:01.000 Nah, all synthetics.

00:11:03.000 So synthetics, in some cases, it's harder to maintain your body temperature when you sweat, right?

00:11:11.000 There's pros and perks to both, yeah.

00:11:13.000 So, like, I've got a synthetic sleeping bag as well.

00:11:16.000 It weighs a little bit more, but I could jump in that sleeping bag wet at night and wake up in the morning and dry.

00:11:24.000 Yeah.

00:11:38.000 But as far as sweating in your clothes and getting your stuff wet, wool maintains body temperature better?

00:11:44.000 It does.

00:11:45.000 Yeah, it does.

00:11:46.000 Next to skin is really good.

00:11:48.000 So Under Armour's got some really good next to skin clothing.

00:11:51.000 And I'll get wet in that next to skin clothing and stay warm because it's similar to a wetsuit. 0.96

00:11:57.000 A wetsuit's designed to have some liquid in it and the liquid gets warm and keeps your body warm.

00:12:02.000 That next to skin clothing's the same where it's sitting right on your skin and it's going to stay warm like that.

00:12:08.000 So is it like a spandex almost or something?

00:12:10.000 Yeah, it is.

00:12:11.000 It looks a bit pansy when you're walking around.

00:12:14.000 Like a superhero?

00:12:14.000 Yeah, like Robin Hood in tights.

00:12:16.000 So that was a fuck up, right? 0.98

00:12:18.000 You should have probably brought some rain gear. 0.99

00:12:20.000 Well, I don't want to call it a fuck up because I deliberately done it to keep weight down. 0.84

00:12:26.000 But how much weight is like a lightweight rain poncho? 0.97

00:12:31.000 I don't want to know.

00:12:32.000 A few ounces?

00:12:33.000 Let's just say it was really heavy and I couldn't carry it.

00:12:36.000 It seems like it's not that heavy.

00:12:38.000 Yeah, but where do you stop?

00:12:39.000 Where do you stop, dude?

00:12:40.000 Well, that is the big question, right?

00:12:42.000 Yeah, it's where do you stop?

00:12:43.000 And I was already hiking in going, this is killer.

00:12:46.000 Like, this is hurting.

00:12:48.000 How heavy was your pack?

00:12:50.000 Yeah, I don't get into that sort of stuff.

00:12:52.000 You don't weigh it?

00:12:53.000 Nope, I don't weigh it.

00:12:54.000 Same with the food.

00:12:57.000 I'll just go, there's a dinner, there's some lunchtime snacks, there's some energy and that's it.

00:13:03.000 If you go in for 15 days, how many days worth of food do you carry?

00:13:06.000 I only took in 10 because I was confident of killing a bull.

00:13:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:13.000 And I didn't run out because I shot a grouse.

00:13:17.000 I cooked the grouse up.

00:13:18.000 Then I killed my bull and I was eating meat.

00:13:20.000 And I was even cooking meat and then packing it the next day to eat cold, which obviously helped.

00:13:26.000 Have you heard this story about me and Cam going on the Arnhem Land trip in the Northern Territory and not packing any food?

00:13:32.000 People haven't heard this.

00:13:34.000 Now he hates me. 0.95

00:13:36.000 Well, this is the most ridiculous thing ever, because you guys had to filter buffalo piss water. 0.99

00:13:41.000 It still tastes like piss. 0.97

00:13:43.000 The colour went out of it, but it had the same taste, it had the same smell.

00:13:48.000 And my question is, if the water's filtered, shouldn't the smell leave it?

00:13:53.000 Yes.

00:13:54.000 It should, shouldn't it? 0.89

00:13:55.000 Yeah, you're drinking piss.

00:13:56.000 You're drinking piss, basically. 0.71

00:13:57.000 For sure you guys drank piss.

00:13:59.000 I bet you it's got hell awesome energy in it, though.

00:14:01.000 Because of buffaloes? 1.00

00:14:03.000 Why don't you just suck a buffalo's dick? 1.00

00:14:03.000 Yeah, I suppose. 1.00

00:14:05.000 You feel even better about yourself.

00:14:07.000 What energy I have!

00:14:08.000 This is amazing!

00:14:10.000 I don't know why you would think you get pissed.

00:14:12.000 I told him to do it first, at least.

00:14:14.000 I told him to drink the water first?

00:14:16.000 Yeah, he can test it.

00:14:17.000 He's doing fine.

00:14:18.000 Well, they have those crazy filtration systems, like gravity filters.

00:14:21.000 Is that what you used?

00:14:22.000 Yeah, so I took one of those in the mountains on this trip as well.

00:14:25.000 I never pulled it out.

00:14:26.000 I never used it once because I was always drinking water from the highest source, like directly where it's coming out of the mountain.

00:14:32.000 And if you do that, you're okay?

00:14:33.000 You don't have to worry about...

00:14:34.000 No, I don't know. 0.99

00:14:35.000 I don't want to say yes, because everyone will go and do it and get sick and sue my ass. 0.97

00:14:39.000 But I've always had an iron stomach, and I think it's from just doing all that sort of stuff as a kid. 0.96

00:14:46.000 You sort of grow with that, and I think your body's...

00:14:51.000 Yeah, I think.

00:15:15.000 Right.

00:15:32.000 It's coming right out of the ground.

00:15:34.000 It's coming right out of the ground.

00:15:35.000 So you can literally catch it as the streams.

00:15:37.000 Yeah.

00:15:37.000 That makes sense.

00:15:38.000 It's like a well.

00:15:39.000 And that's handy as well, because I'm camped at the top, so I want to find the highest water source so I don't have to drop down so far each day.

00:15:45.000 Collect water.

00:15:45.000 Right.

00:15:48.000 It's always a good feeling, actually, when you come across fresh water like that.

00:15:51.000 So how many liters is your pack?

00:15:52.000 How heavy is your pack?

00:15:53.000 It's a 2200. Oh, it's a small pack?

00:15:55.000 Yeah.

00:15:56.000 Wow.

00:15:57.000 That's very small.

00:15:58.000 Yeah.

00:15:59.000 It's the Badlands.

00:16:00.000 That's crazy!

00:16:01.000 Use a 2200 litre pack for a 15 day hunt?

00:16:05.000 Yep, that's how light I'm going in.

00:16:07.000 Wow!

00:16:08.000 I have a couple of things that are strapped to that pack, which would make it bigger than that, but generally everything fits inside that pack.

00:16:14.000 So what's in the pack?

00:16:16.000 Do you take a jet boil?

00:16:18.000 Yeah, so I've got similar.

00:16:21.000 It's an MSR reactor.

00:16:23.000 They're really good.

00:16:24.000 I used it in the cold.

00:16:26.000 It was that freezing in my tent, like the whole tent froze over.

00:16:29.000 I actually turned it on in the tent to warm the tent when I was getting changed or unchanged at night.

00:16:34.000 A little bit pansy, but hey, I got it done and put a smile on my face.

00:16:38.000 It boils water super quick.

00:16:39.000 So if the weather's miserable and you just want to get it done, it boils water super quick.

00:16:44.000 And you run a tank of propane, small water?

00:16:46.000 Yeah, just a real little backpack one.

00:16:48.000 And then because I went in there when it was stinking hot, like it was cooking, like it was the hottest weather you'd have.

00:16:55.000 You wouldn't even imagine having a fire in that weather from risk of a wildfire, you know, starting the bushfire, to, you know, it hailed, it rained and it snowed, everything got wet.

00:17:05.000 It was safe at that point to have a fire.

00:17:07.000 And then a lot of the cooking that I end up doing was just over the fire.

00:17:10.000 I was saving my gas each night.

00:17:12.000 Um, cause I would have ran out of gas before those 15 days were up if I was using just that one canister the whole time and that you'd end up having to pack out, go into town, buy the gas and then pack all the way back in.

00:17:24.000 You'd end up losing two days cause it was a, it was a full day walking out with no weight at all.

00:17:30.000 Like just speed walking down the mountain, trying to get out of there was a full day.

00:17:33.000 So, um, Yeah, I've got my reactor.

00:17:36.000 I've got my water filter, but like I said, I never used it.

00:17:39.000 I've got a small one-person tent, a mattress, a really good sleeping bag.

00:17:44.000 It's actually overrated for the conditions, but I always think you're better off going overrated.

00:17:48.000 You get some bad weather like I had, and you've got an underrated sleeping bag, and you're not getting sleep.

00:17:53.000 You're going to miss hunting hours for sure.

00:17:57.000 Then I've just got a couple of knives.

00:17:58.000 I've got a full safety kit, bandages.

00:18:03.000 I've actually been carrying, I didn't use them on this trip either, but a little water filtration pill, which is always handy.

00:18:11.000 So you didn't have to carry your filter kit every day.

00:18:13.000 If you come across some decent water that was down low, you could just put the pill in.

00:18:17.000 But where a lot of people go wrong with the water filtration and the pills is you still require both if you come across dirty water because the pill's only going to kill bacteria within reasonably clear water.

00:18:31.000 It's not going to kill the solids.

00:18:33.000 So if you're scooping up dirty water, putting a pill in and then drinking it, anything that's within the solids of that water, you're still going to get sick from.

00:18:40.000 So in a sense, you still need the two of them if you're doing a hunt like that.

00:18:47.000 The water filtration is awesome because it's 99.999% of all bacteria that's going to filter out of your water.

00:18:54.000 And the pills are what?

00:18:55.000 Like it's a chlorine or something?

00:18:56.000 Yeah, they're like a chlorine pill.

00:18:58.000 Yeah, there's a few different ones out on the market.

00:18:59.000 So you take those essentials, you essentially wear the same clothes every day?

00:19:04.000 Same clothes every day.

00:19:06.000 I take a few, change the socks and underwear.

00:19:09.000 And yeah, same clothes every day.

00:19:12.000 And then if I did get a hot day, this was the plan, it never ever happened.

00:19:16.000 But if I did get a hot day and I came past a stream...

00:19:19.000 I was actually going to wash some clothes in a dry bag, just a bit of water in the clothes, and then hang them up.

00:19:25.000 I just never got that break in the weather.

00:19:28.000 I wanted to hunt every day and every minute of light, so I'd just get up in the morning and put wet clothes on if I didn't dry them on the fire that night.

00:19:34.000 So it sounds like most of the weight in your pack is food.

00:19:38.000 Generally, yeah.

00:19:39.000 Just 10 days of food, and how many pounds of food do you take in a day?

00:19:42.000 Around two?

00:19:44.000 Yeah, maybe a bit less.

00:19:46.000 Yeah, might have been a bit less.

00:19:48.000 I smash the chocolate bars when I'm out there in the mountains.

00:19:51.000 Oh, dude.

00:19:52.000 Why chocolate bars?

00:19:52.000 I smash chocolate at home, but when I'm in the mountains, I really smash chocolate.

00:19:57.000 I just like that bit of a fix, and it's a bit of a pick-up, you know, and to keep you going.

00:20:03.000 It's no different than a fire.

00:20:05.000 If you get a fire going at night, it's that bit of a boost, a spirit boost.

00:20:10.000 And it's the same as a chocolate bar.

00:20:12.000 Just to sit down and hoe away on a chocolate bar. 0.99

00:20:15.000 Life's good.

00:20:16.000 Keep going.

00:20:17.000 Doesn't matter.

00:20:18.000 But as far as energy, don't you crash when you have one of those things?

00:20:22.000 Do you go up high and get a sugar crash?

00:20:24.000 No, I don't really crash.

00:20:26.000 It's funny.

00:20:26.000 I hear it with a lot of people, but...

00:20:28.000 Yeah, I never crash.

00:20:30.000 Brendan Burns was saying the same thing.

00:20:31.000 He brings like Snickers bars.

00:20:33.000 Yep, Snickers bars are really good.

00:20:35.000 Milky Ways, they're like a Mars bar back in Australia, but like Milky Ways here.

00:20:40.000 Anything sugary.

00:20:42.000 Good.

00:20:43.000 Well, I also would imagine the amount of calories you're burning when you're walking up mountains like that.

00:20:48.000 With a pack on, a heavy pack.

00:20:48.000 Yeah.

00:20:50.000 It's huge.

00:20:52.000 But I had the desire to actually go and do this trip and do a bit of weight loss at the same time.

00:20:57.000 I think if I wasn't going to do weight loss at the same time, then I'd probably pack some more food, some more goodies.

00:21:03.000 So you did it on purpose?

00:21:04.000 Yeah, I did it on purpose.

00:21:04.000 Like saying, I need to lose some weight?

00:21:05.000 Yeah, I did.

00:21:06.000 And I did.

00:21:07.000 I lost weight.

00:21:08.000 Yeah, I lost a lot of weight doing it.

00:21:10.000 But yeah, definitely done it on purpose.

00:21:12.000 There'd be some days where I'd just have a snack in the morning for breakfast, like an energy bar, an actual energy bar in the morning.

00:21:20.000 And I'd go all the way through and I wouldn't hike back in the camp until 11.30 at night because I was trying to stay out where I thought the bulls were.

00:21:27.000 And I'd have a quick dinner in camp that night and that was it.

00:21:31.000 And I wouldn't even feel hungry throughout the day.

00:21:33.000 Yeah.

00:21:34.000 I think just from being so active, and obviously good water intake whenever you can, there was never a point where I'm like, oh, far out, I'm starving today, you know, I'm not going any further until I eat or anything like that.

00:21:46.000 It was all go, go, go, and yeah.

00:21:49.000 Now, when you take a plan like this, when you decide to go on a deep, deep mountain hunt like this, how do you pick where you're going?

00:21:59.000 Are you studying Google Earth?

00:22:01.000 Are you getting tips from people?

00:22:03.000 Studying Google Earth's the big one.

00:22:05.000 And I'd suggest for anyone that wants to do a backpack hunt, like a do-it-yourself hunt, is study Google Earth.

00:22:13.000 And I would do a radius.

00:22:14.000 I'd look for a radius with the least amount of roads, any sort of infrastructure around it, like the most wilderness-looking area.

00:22:22.000 Even away from trailheads.

00:22:23.000 I hate being near a trailhead or where there's a trail that people are going to be walking in on or anything like that.

00:22:29.000 Like, I mean, real backcountry.

00:22:30.000 You've got to bush bash it to get in there.

00:22:32.000 Just find...

00:22:34.000 Do your research, find the area with the least amount of activity and then put a dot in the middle or roughly in the middle and that's where you should set up camp.

00:22:43.000 Get in there, live with the bulls or whatever animals you're hunting, get in there and live with them.

00:22:49.000 I think not being afraid to fail on a hunt's the big one because, you know, a lot of people, well, there mightn't even be any bulls there, but, you know, who cares?

00:22:57.000 It's going to be an awesome experience anyway.

00:22:59.000 And it's a place that you can tick off the list.

00:23:01.000 Oh, I'm not going back there.

00:23:02.000 There was nothing there.

00:23:02.000 And then next year, try the next spot or the next week, try another spot.

00:23:07.000 Um...

00:23:08.000 I had hunted around that area previously, so I knew there was elk in the area.

00:23:14.000 I just had never been that far back in before.

00:23:17.000 And I'll tell you the truth, it nearly completely failed on me because I went days and days without hearing or seeing an elk.

00:23:23.000 But the sign was there to say they were in there.

00:23:26.000 It's just that the grizzlies and the wolves were hunting that area so hard that it shut the elk up and pushed a lot of them out of the area.

00:23:33.000 Ooh.

00:23:34.000 Yeah, and then I was nearly the new food source.

00:23:40.000 Wow.

00:23:41.000 So when you get in there and you don't see anything for a couple of days, what is the mindset?

00:23:47.000 There's heaps of doubt, and there's always that...

00:23:50.000 It's like you second guess yourself. 1.00

00:23:52.000 This was a stupid move. 1.00

00:23:53.000 You shouldn't have came in here. 1.00

00:23:54.000 You need to change spots.

00:23:56.000 But then it's like, but at the same time, you're experiencing this for a reason.

00:23:59.000 This is how hunting should be.

00:24:00.000 Hunting should be hard.

00:24:02.000 Hunting should never be, unless you've done your research, going into a place and there's just like game walking past you everywhere.

00:24:08.000 There should always be, because that's the hunt, right?

00:24:10.000 Finding it or going through the hardship to find it.

00:24:14.000 Tracking it, finding where's the better spot within that area.

00:24:18.000 So at the same time that my mind's like, you know, you've made a bad decision, this is a crap spot to be, there's the whole experience of like, no, this is how hunting should be.

00:24:28.000 It should be difficult. 0.97

00:24:29.000 You should have to work your ass off to try and find the animal.

00:24:32.000 And when you actually do find the animal, how much better is it?

00:24:35.000 Because, you know, it's just like if you hunted for 11 months, We're good to go.

00:25:02.000 And I did that shot, and dude, I teed up.

00:25:05.000 I was crying because I knew how much had gone into it.

00:25:09.000 And it's not just the effort, but obviously I'm away from my wife Kim and the kids.

00:25:14.000 I'm away from the kids for a month now. 0.98

00:25:17.000 There's all that sacrifice, there's all the hard shit, there's all the effort. 1.00

00:25:20.000 There's walking in, there's putting up with that absolutely atrocious weather, and then finally one opportunity comes up and you kill that animal, as well as killing the animal. 1.00

00:25:29.000 That's a hard thing to do. 0.97

00:25:31.000 Man, I balled up.

00:25:32.000 I was crying.

00:25:33.000 I think I cried a dozen times.

00:25:34.000 Every time I thought about it, when I was standing over the bull, I was crying.

00:25:38.000 Wow.

00:25:39.000 And I'm like, that's why it's got to be that hard.

00:25:41.000 So you can appreciate the animal, so you realise what has to go into the hunt to actually get something killed.

00:25:47.000 I think every hunt should be like that.

00:25:48.000 I hope they're not.

00:25:49.000 Well, there's a lot of elk in Montana, but Montana is so huge.

00:25:54.000 I mean, it's such a massive, massive place, and the amount of wilderness that you're encountering, if you have herds of elk all over the place, it's super likely that you could wind up in a spot with nothing around you for miles and miles around.

00:26:09.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:10.000 So, I think the hard bit with that country that I've been going into is the wolf population is getting so big.

00:26:18.000 I know you love wolves.

00:26:19.000 There's pictures of frigging wolves in this joint everywhere. 0.71

00:26:22.000 I do love them. 0.99

00:26:23.000 I want to shoot one. 1.00

00:26:25.000 I want to shoot a dozen of them. 1.00

00:26:27.000 Well, they're scary. 1.00

00:26:28.000 Yeah, they are definitely scary.

00:26:29.000 What's weird is what we were talking about before the podcast started, you were talking about Australia and what you call the greenies, which are the green people that want to, they don't want animals to die and they want this population to explode, but there's not a balance.

00:26:43.000 And that was the idea behind reintroducing wolves.

00:26:48.000 Was to create a balance because there was a lot of animals that were living in the Yellowstone, greater, you know, Yellowstone area.

00:26:56.000 And so they introduced these wolves.

00:26:58.000 But the problem was they had an agreement when they introduced these wolves that when they reached a sustainable population, they reached a certain number, several thousand wolves, then they would open up a hunting season on them to try to control the population.

00:27:11.000 But as soon as they reached that number, the people that were involved in the relocation of the wolves and the wildlife protection people and all the people that are like really animal rights advocates, they backed out of it.

00:27:25.000 And they said, no, we don't want any hunting on any of these wolves ever.

00:27:29.000 And so there's this big battle.

00:27:31.000 And a lot of states have opened up hunting seasons on wolves, Montana included.

00:27:35.000 But still, there's a battle.

00:27:36.000 There's a battle to try to control the wolf populations.

00:27:39.000 It's funny.

00:27:40.000 So I went into Yellowstone last year after my hunt, just sightseeing, and I had all my photography gear.

00:27:47.000 And I didn't see a single elk.

00:27:50.000 You gotta go near where the people are.

00:27:52.000 I saw a ton of them.

00:27:53.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:27:54.000 I was there with my kids.

00:27:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:27:56.000 I got selfies with fucking elk. 0.99

00:27:58.000 Yeah, I didn't see any wolves though either. 0.99

00:28:00.000 No. 1.00

00:28:01.000 The whole time I was like, fucking wolves. 0.99

00:28:02.000 They've wrecked this joint, but I didn't see any wolves either. 0.99

00:28:06.000 Well, the elk have decided that people are super safe because no one has hunted in Yellowstone for, you know, a hundred and whatever the hell years.

00:28:12.000 So when you go to the visitor area, when you first pull into Yellowstone, like Yellowstone has like this, uh, and this is on the Montana side. 0.97

00:28:19.000 Yellowstone has this area where there's like a gas station and there's like a store and it's fucking elk everywhere.

00:28:25.000 Like I'll show you on my phone. 0.97

00:28:27.000 I got selfies.

00:28:28.000 I got elk selfies.

00:28:30.000 But they're not even remotely nervous about people.

00:28:35.000 They don't care, yeah. 0.99

00:28:36.000 You don't have to do shit to them. 0.99

00:28:38.000 You know these Axis deer that you have in Texas? 1.00

00:28:41.000 The chittle deer? 1.00

00:28:43.000 Look at your stupid head. 1.00

00:28:46.000 Yeah, that's all I've seen. 1.00

00:28:48.000 See the elk in the background?

00:28:50.000 Oh, they're just living in the hotels by the looks of it.

00:28:52.000 Isn't that hilarious?

00:28:52.000 That's cool.

00:28:53.000 They're just chilling back there, and there was a gang of them, man.

00:28:55.000 That's awesome.

00:28:56.000 They were all over the place.

00:28:59.000 It's really weird, because it's like right when you pull into the area, all you see is just loads of elk everywhere.

00:29:06.000 They're all hanging out.

00:29:08.000 So the chittle deer that we have, they go and live near the station. 1.00

00:29:11.000 So a station in Australia, obviously, is just like a ranch, like a big farm.

00:29:16.000 Because of the dingoes, just smash the population.

00:29:20.000 So those chittle deer, they go and live near the homesteads because the dingoes are less likely to come around the homesteads. 1.00

00:29:26.000 It's really crazy.

00:29:27.000 And then you move, if you're hunting, you'll be like, ah, screw this, I'm going back into the backcountry.

00:29:32.000 There's going to be heaps more deer back there compared to around the house.

00:29:35.000 And there'll be no deer out there at all.

00:29:37.000 Or they'll be very limited.

00:29:38.000 There'll be the stags that are moving through the area and that's about it.

00:29:42.000 The nucleus of the chittle deer live around the homestead where it's safe. 1.00

00:29:46.000 They're not dumb. 0.73

00:29:47.000 That's interesting. 0.81

00:29:48.000 That's the same thing with deer around here.

00:29:51.000 You find them in suburban areas.

00:29:53.000 Yeah.

00:29:53.000 But you also find coyotes in suburban areas, too.

00:29:56.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:29:56.000 But less mountain lions.

00:29:57.000 Mountain lions try to avoid human populations more, and that's what usually gets the deer out here.

00:30:02.000 All the news back home has been mountain lions behind your house, probably.

00:30:07.000 There's quite a few.

00:30:07.000 Yeah, that's cool.

00:30:08.000 They take pictures of them.

00:30:09.000 There's bobcats.

00:30:10.000 I've seen bobcats out near me.

00:30:12.000 But there's mountain lions in California for sure.

00:30:15.000 There's quite a few of them.

00:30:16.000 California is an interesting place because, you know, California, they don't want to control the predators.

00:30:23.000 They want the predators to control the game population.

00:30:26.000 And because of that, there's not that many deer here.

00:30:29.000 Yeah, I understand that.

00:30:31.000 And I can see the method behind it.

00:30:34.000 My issue is that humans, in a sense, are the ultimate predator, right?

00:30:38.000 And that everything should be not controlled, but, you know, what's a good way of saying this is that being the apex predator that we are, we've obviously got a part in the whole food chain as well when it comes to things like that.

00:30:57.000 Some people don't agree with that.

00:30:59.000 Yeah, I understand that.

00:31:00.000 And I can see, you know, we were talking before about the wolves being introduced to control the population and the numbers, but there's obviously got to be a point where the wolves are controlled as well, right?

00:31:11.000 So who does that?

00:31:12.000 Well, that was all done early, early on in North America because of cattle ranchers.

00:31:18.000 So what they would do is they would shoot wild horses.

00:31:21.000 They had a huge wild horse problem.

00:31:22.000 And the wild horse problem is actually re-emerging.

00:31:26.000 There's quite a few wild horses in North America, and they're trying to figure out what to do with them.

00:31:30.000 And it's really controversial.

00:31:32.000 It's kind of interesting.

00:31:33.000 But what they would do back then was they would shoot these wild horses and then they would shoot a wolf.

00:31:38.000 They would shoot like one of the alphas and they would take the wolf and rub it and take its scent glands and rub it all over the dead horse and then fill the horse up with strychnine.

00:31:48.000 So the other wolves would come around, they would smell their missing alpha friend and they would eat this horse carcass and they would get the strychnine and die.

00:31:58.000 So doing that, they extirpated wolves from the majority of the American West.

00:32:03.000 That's how they killed them all.

00:32:05.000 But then they realized that they did a terrible thing by doing that, and so they started reintroducing them.

00:32:11.000 There's a balance somewhere.

00:32:12.000 Obviously, I love wolves.

00:32:14.000 I think they're cool as hell.

00:32:15.000 But there is a balance.

00:32:17.000 But the balance is real tricky.

00:32:19.000 There's a very small number of them in Washington State, but the small number of them, the small number of wolf packs, have started attacking cattle ranches.

00:32:30.000 And they're killing these cattle. 0.94

00:32:32.000 And so these ranchers want these wolves killed. 0.99

00:32:35.000 And so they've decided to kill some of the wolves. 1.00

00:32:37.000 And it's a huge controversy in Washington State because they're like, look, there's not that many fucking wolves. 0.99

00:32:41.000 And you guys are going to kill these wolves because they're killing the cattle. 1.00

00:32:44.000 But you're going to kill the cattle, too. 0.98

00:32:46.000 If you want to have cattle, this is the price you pay.

00:32:49.000 But I'm sure you've seen how they run cattle out here.

00:32:52.000 They just let them roam around on public land.

00:32:54.000 You know, when we were in Nevada...

00:32:57.000 We were deer hunting with Steve Rinella.

00:33:00.000 And we saw a lot of deer.

00:33:01.000 Deer were everywhere.

00:33:02.000 But we saw way more cows. 1.00

00:33:04.000 Fucking cows are everywhere. 1.00

00:33:06.000 And they roam all throughout this public land. 1.00

00:33:10.000 And the ranchers pay some sort of a fee.

00:33:14.000 And that was what that whole thing was going on.

00:33:17.000 Yeah, a lot of that happens back home in Australia as well.

00:33:19.000 Yeah, so they roam all over the place. 1.00

00:33:22.000 There's fucking cow shit everywhere. 1.00

00:33:24.000 We're essentially, we're camping out, so we're sleeping on cow shit. 1.00

00:33:27.000 There's cow shit everywhere you look. 0.99

00:33:28.000 Was it comfortable? 0.99

00:33:29.000 It was not bad.

00:33:30.000 Did you spread it out a bit first?

00:33:31.000 Well, I actually wound up sleeping in the back of the Suburban.

00:33:33.000 We had a Suburban, and I was like, why are you guys going to sleep on the ground when you just fold the seats back and sleep on this flat area?

00:33:40.000 So I camped out in the back of a Suburban while these dummies are sleeping on the ground. 0.91

00:33:44.000 On cow patties, like all hunched over.

00:33:47.000 Well, they want to be down with nature, man.

00:33:49.000 Down with cow poo. 1.00

00:33:50.000 If you want to be down with nature, take off the sleeping bag.

00:33:53.000 You want to really get...

00:33:55.000 Exactly.

00:33:56.000 But it's, you know, these animals, if you're going to let them wander around like that, roam free, which is nice because they're essentially almost wild.

00:34:03.000 They're free-range cattle.

00:34:05.000 They're eating grass.

00:34:06.000 It's the healthiest cattle you can eat.

00:34:08.000 But wolves like to eat them too. 0.91

00:34:09.000 And so it's real tricky.

00:34:11.000 It's like, where do you draw the line there?

00:34:14.000 There's not that many wolves, and these wolves are eating these cows.

00:34:17.000 But to the ranchers, each cow is worth several thousand dollars every time a wolf kills a cow.

00:34:23.000 That's a big loss of income.

00:34:25.000 I suppose it's working.

00:34:27.000 There's got to be some sort of line there where we work in conjunction with wildlife.

00:34:31.000 Whether you're a rancher or not, whether you're losing income or not, that's got to be part of the system.

00:34:38.000 Maybe it should be subsidized by the taxpayers.

00:34:40.000 Instead of killing the wolves, maybe they should subsidize some of these ranchers.

00:34:44.000 I mean, if these wolves are killing, it's only a certain amount.

00:34:47.000 As long as they've taken some measure of protection to try to keep the wolves away, but to ensure a healthy wolf population would ensure a balanced ecosystem.

00:34:57.000 They can't bring it back to where they used to be, because where they used to be, there was no wolves.

00:35:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:03.000 There's a funny thing at home, how you're saying it should be subsidised.

00:35:07.000 My business is in northwestern Australia for the mines, and they've got their own private train line.

00:35:14.000 They run their own trains with iron ore.

00:35:16.000 And the train line's unfenced so the cattle can cross the train line.

00:35:20.000 Anytime a train hits one of those cows, they've got to pay the farmer, you know.

00:35:24.000 Oh, wow.

00:35:25.000 And I've heard stories about the farmer just going out and shooting his cattle along the train line so that the mines pay him for the cows.

00:35:33.000 Oh, really?

00:35:33.000 Because they look like they're being hit.

00:35:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:35.000 It's pretty funny.

00:35:36.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:35:37.000 Yeah, so maybe we could do something like that where the wolves just pay out every time they kill a cow.

00:35:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:35:42.000 Hey, some people believe that shit. 1.00

00:35:43.000 Well, someone would probably do that. 1.00

00:35:45.000 There's probably some unscrupulous people.

00:35:47.000 But then they'd get caught, and then they'd get prosecuted.

00:35:49.000 It would balance itself out.

00:35:51.000 But there's a certain amount of numbers where the wolves reach a high population number where all the other animals start getting threatened.

00:35:58.000 Like, there was a recent situation in Wyoming where these wolves killed 19 elk and didn't even eat them.

00:36:05.000 They just killed them.

00:36:06.000 Just frill killing. 1.00

00:36:07.000 Just fucking around, having a good time. 1.00

00:36:09.000 They will do that. 0.99

00:36:11.000 That's the point where obviously we've got to stand in, make a good decision, whether it's a tag system or some sort of culling.

00:36:18.000 I think before the program we were talking about where kangaroos need to be culled because it's a little bit like...

00:36:25.000 So the greens don't want to...

00:36:28.000 The greenies. 0.76

00:36:29.000 They don't want to kill the kangaroos, but for the better...

00:36:33.000 For the better benefit of kangaroos, there has to come a point where the numbers need to be controlled, otherwise they eat their self out of land and home, they get diseases, and it takes weeks to die, like a suffering death.

00:36:46.000 No one wants that.

00:36:47.000 So you can't be just for one and not the other.

00:36:50.000 My buddy Mike Hawkridge, he lives up in B.C., in northern B.C., British Columbia, and he was attacked by a wolf.

00:36:58.000 Like, he had shot a wolf in midair as it was jumping at him.

00:37:01.000 They have so many wolves up there that they have literally had open season.

00:37:06.000 Like, there's no tag limits.

00:37:07.000 You can shoot wolves all day long.

00:37:09.000 Sounds like I need to go there.

00:37:10.000 Yeah, we went up there, and we were moose hunting.

00:37:13.000 That's where I got this one.

00:37:15.000 And we found a calf that had been torn apart by wolves, and it was really fascinating.

00:37:19.000 But he put this up on his Instagram.

00:37:22.000 His Instagram is bcoutfitter.

00:37:25.000 This is him last night. 1.00

00:37:27.000 Listen to this shit. 1.00

00:37:29.000 Oh, that's awesome. 1.00

00:37:31.000 This is just last night.

00:37:41.000 I'd be howling back.

00:37:42.000 Come in, baby, and see what happens.

00:37:44.000 He actually started it.

00:37:44.000 Well, that's what it started.

00:37:46.000 He started the howl.

00:37:47.000 We can hear it here.

00:37:48.000 Yeah, he called them.

00:37:50.000 That's him.

00:38:00.000 That's eerie.

00:38:01.000 That sound.

00:38:02.000 When you're in camp by yourself and you hear that going all the way around you. 1.00

00:38:06.000 What a fucking awesome animal. 0.98

00:38:08.000 It's cool and eerie at the same time. 0.99

00:38:09.000 It's the coolest animal ever.

00:38:10.000 Because they're smart.

00:38:12.000 They operate in packs.

00:38:13.000 They have a really complex social system.

00:38:16.000 I'll tell you this cool little story when I was in Northwest Territory, like just above the Arctic Circle.

00:38:21.000 The first time I've been into that country, like the Mackenzie Mountains.

00:38:24.000 And I was actually hunting moose, but I had a wolf tag as well.

00:38:28.000 And the very first morning, like, we get up out of the tent, we walk out up the river.

00:38:31.000 I'm with a guide, Byron.

00:38:33.000 And I see, like, a pack of wolves coming down the river.

00:38:36.000 So they'd been hunting that area.

00:38:38.000 I think it'll end up being day three.

00:38:40.000 They chased a caribou up and down the river, like, just to a lavering sweat.

00:38:45.000 Then they chased it in the river and they surrounded it in the river.

00:38:49.000 And that caribou, and it was a bull as well, got to the point, its whole body was quivering because it's been really hot and then it's been chased into this freezing cold river.

00:38:58.000 At that point, the wolves just left it and they all went up and sat in the sun because they were all wet as well.

00:39:04.000 They went and sat in the sun and they got all dry and then it was like Mother Nature just took over from that point.

00:39:09.000 They got the caribou to the point where they knew it was going to die and left it.

00:39:13.000 It couldn't hold its own legs up.

00:39:16.000 It ended up laying down in the river and drowned in the river.

00:39:18.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:39:19.000 How cool is that that they knew that?

00:39:21.000 So the wolves get to the point where they're like, okay, we've got to go and sit in the sun now and dry out.

00:39:26.000 This thing's dead anyway.

00:39:27.000 We're just going to come back to it in an hour once it's drowned in the river. 1.00

00:39:29.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:39:31.000 How do they know that? 1.00

00:39:32.000 And then by that afternoon, that caribou was just a rib cage.

00:39:32.000 That's crazy.

00:39:37.000 They absolutely plucked every bit of meat and organs out of that caribou. 0.94

00:39:42.000 How cool is that?

00:39:42.000 Wow.

00:39:43.000 I've got photos of it, actually.

00:39:45.000 Do you have them online anywhere?

00:39:47.000 They're probably on my Instagram.

00:39:49.000 Early days Instagram.

00:39:51.000 I tag them on my Instagram.

00:39:53.000 See if you can find those, Jamie.

00:39:55.000 You'll see this caribou just standing in the water.

00:39:59.000 It was just quivering.

00:40:01.000 It was done.

00:40:02.000 It was done and they knew that it was done.

00:40:03.000 They're just like, we'll come back in an hour and eat. 0.99

00:40:05.000 How fucking smart are they? 1.00

00:40:07.000 How fucking smart are they? 1.00

00:40:08.000 They know that. 1.00

00:40:10.000 Have you also heard that in their spore...

00:40:15.000 Yeah.

00:40:35.000 For the wolf to grab them at a later date.

00:40:37.000 Wait a minute.

00:40:38.000 Can we look this up? 0.99

00:40:39.000 They eat the elk, they shit out what they ate, and spores... 0.87

00:40:45.000 Spores are released into the dirt. 0.96

00:40:47.000 When the elk's eating, eating the grass, they take it into their system.

00:40:52.000 And it reduces their lung capacity?

00:40:54.000 It reduces their lung capacity.

00:40:56.000 So it's like they're poisoning the elk before they jack them?

00:40:58.000 What?

00:40:59.000 Is that not the ultimate predator or not?

00:41:01.000 That is insane!

00:41:02.000 Yeah.

00:41:03.000 How is nature so complex?

00:41:05.000 I don't know.

00:41:05.000 It's cool, isn't it?

00:41:06.000 It's so amazing.

00:41:07.000 Well, the thing about wolves now, too, that's really kind of cool.

00:41:10.000 See, I'm so torn.

00:41:11.000 I'm so torn.

00:41:12.000 Because on one hand, I love elk hunting.

00:41:14.000 I love elk.

00:41:15.000 I love the idea that they're out there and they're wild.

00:41:17.000 But I'm a big fan of wolves. 0.97

00:41:19.000 I love the fact that these wolves are so fucking badass. 1.00

00:41:23.000 Yeah, how many ranches right now are going, fuck you, Joe Rogan? 1.00

00:41:27.000 A lot. 1.00

00:41:27.000 Well, my friend Mike, where he lives in BC, his neighbor's ranch, a gang of them, jumped a cow. 1.00

00:41:33.000 They got hungry in the winter and they said, you know, let's just fucking do this. 0.97

00:41:37.000 How much easier of a feed is that? 0.99

00:41:39.000 Pretty easy.

00:41:40.000 An elk that runs flat out, that's got legs that stand this tall off the ground, or a fat cow that's down here that won't even run away, you know? 0.92

00:41:47.000 It's penned in, too.

00:41:48.000 The elk was penned in.

00:41:50.000 Or the cow, rather.

00:41:51.000 Cow, yeah. 1.00

00:41:51.000 And they jumped the fence, I guess, and just... 1.00

00:41:55.000 This is one of the things that's so appealing to me about bow hunting.

00:41:58.000 It's not actually just bow hunting.

00:42:00.000 It's the whole outdoors.

00:42:01.000 It's the whole picture.

00:42:01.000 Yeah.

00:42:02.000 And wildlife, when you get into it like this and you start looking at it and thinking about it, it's crazy.

00:42:07.000 Who doesn't want to be a part of that?

00:42:08.000 Well, we're so filtered from it, for the most part.

00:42:11.000 Most people's interaction with wild animals is the zoo or a squirrel.

00:42:15.000 Yeah.

00:42:16.000 You know, ooh, look, I see a skunk.

00:42:17.000 You know, there's an eagle.

00:42:20.000 Oh my goodness.

00:42:21.000 Oh my gosh.

00:42:22.000 Yeah, I saw an eagle.

00:42:23.000 Like, it's a big day.

00:42:25.000 But to actually go to a place like where you went and to hear, oh!

00:42:30.000 Yeah.

00:42:30.000 Well, a lot of people are always like, oh, that's crazy.

00:42:34.000 It's actually not that crazy when you go out and experience.

00:42:36.000 That sort of thing's happening all the time.

00:42:38.000 It's just that people are so disconnected because they're not out there experiencing it.

00:42:42.000 I was telling a story about, we've got a wedge-tailed eagle at home, and I can hear this pig squealing like, I'm like...

00:42:50.000 Like, my ears just can't pick up where this pig squealing's coming from, and it's going straight over the top of my head.

00:42:54.000 There's a wedge-tailed eagle with this pig, and it flies it over.

00:42:58.000 It knew exactly what it was doing, and flies it, gets it up real high, and it drops it perfectly over this rocky outcrop on the mountain to open it up.

00:43:07.000 Like, that's like me and you going, I need a steak knife to cut into this meat.

00:43:11.000 Yeah.

00:43:12.000 That eagle's just going, I need a rocky outcrop to cut into this meat.

00:43:15.000 How big was the pig?

00:43:17.000 Yeah.

00:43:17.000 That's pretty decent.

00:43:18.000 Looks like this.

00:43:19.000 Like 40 pounds?

00:43:20.000 Yeah, 40 pounds maybe.

00:43:20.000 50 pounds?

00:43:21.000 30. I've seen them drop goats off cliffs.

00:43:26.000 Yeah.

00:43:26.000 Like the goats are climbing cliffs and the eagle swoops down and grabs a hold of it and is like, Get over here!

00:43:31.000 How about that video where the eagle tries to pick up the baby out of the pram or whatever?

00:43:35.000 I don't think that's real.

00:43:36.000 Oh, you don't?

00:43:37.000 Yeah, I think that's fake. 1.00

00:43:39.000 Stupid internet. 1.00

00:43:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:42.000 Seriously.

00:43:42.000 I'm sure that's probably happened before.

00:43:44.000 Oh, it's definitely happened.

00:43:45.000 When you look in the eye of an eagle, you realize, oh yeah, that thing would eat a baby.

00:43:49.000 The idea that it wouldn't eat a baby is a joke.

00:43:49.000 Yeah.

00:43:51.000 They're built for it.

00:43:52.000 It's just another animal. 1.00

00:43:53.000 Yeah, they don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:43:54.000 Kid. 0.99

00:43:55.000 No offense to anyone's babies.

00:43:56.000 Yeah, no offense.

00:43:57.000 I love babies.

00:43:58.000 But the reality is, there's a great video of this guy in Alaska.

00:44:03.000 We've played it on the podcast before, the guy with all the eagles in his yard.

00:44:06.000 Eagles in Alaska are so prevalent.

00:44:08.000 I have a friend who goes up there, and she was telling me that they're like pigeons. 1.00

00:44:12.000 She's like, they're like fucking pigeons. 1.00

00:44:13.000 They're everywhere. 1.00

00:44:14.000 Like, you don't even care anymore. 1.00

00:44:15.000 Get these fucking things out of here. 0.99

00:44:16.000 But this guy's got this backyard, and in his backyard, he's got fucking hundreds and hundreds of eagles. 1.00

00:44:25.000 I mean, maybe not hundreds. 0.96

00:44:27.000 Maybe 100?

00:44:27.000 50?

00:44:28.000 50 eagles?

00:44:29.000 10. Over 30. Over 30. Okay.

00:44:31.000 Over 30. But they're fucking everywhere. 1.00

00:44:33.000 Is this the video? 0.99

00:44:34.000 Is this the same one?

00:44:35.000 So what it is is he's got a...

00:44:37.000 Where did I come up with hundreds?

00:44:39.000 How dare me.

00:44:39.000 So he's got a bunch of fish that he's got laid out.

00:44:43.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:44:43.000 And they've got it.

00:44:45.000 I'm like, look at this. 0.99

00:44:45.000 Look at all these fucking eagles just walking around this guy's backyard. 0.99

00:44:49.000 This ain't shit compared to what we're going to show you in a minute, folks. 0.99

00:44:52.000 But these eagles are wandering around this guy's yard, and he has his kid take a bucket of fish and dump it out for these eagles. 0.99

00:45:00.000 And I just would not be that confident having these fucking monsters come near my kids. 0.99

00:45:07.000 Oh, that would be cool. 1.00

00:45:09.000 Those are raptors, man.

00:45:10.000 Yeah.

00:45:12.000 My little girl would run out there and try and grab each one of them. 1.00

00:45:16.000 God, look at this thing.

00:45:17.000 They're so weird.

00:45:19.000 It's such a weird animal.

00:45:21.000 That's a living dinosaur right there.

00:45:23.000 Oh, it really is.

00:45:24.000 Yeah.

00:45:25.000 It's such a weird animal, too.

00:45:27.000 It's just so strange that we chose that heartless monster as the American bird. 0.95

00:45:32.000 You know?

00:45:33.000 I mean, couldn't the American animal be like a puppy or something cute?

00:45:36.000 Yeah, we've got like...

00:45:37.000 On our coins, we've got like platypus and wombat. 0.70

00:45:40.000 Nothing with teeth, nothing with claws.

00:45:41.000 That's a good move.

00:45:42.000 Because this thing is just...

00:45:44.000 A living dinosaur, like literally a raptor, a flying raptor.

00:45:48.000 Look at it, it's just creeping up to it.

00:45:50.000 It wants that fish, but it doesn't want to take a chance of getting shot.

00:45:53.000 I want one.

00:45:54.000 An eagle?

00:45:55.000 Up on my property up in the mountains on my farm, we've got a couple of wedge tails that hang around up there.

00:45:55.000 Yeah.

00:46:02.000 And whenever we kill a deer, we leave the carcass out.

00:46:04.000 I'll put a scouting camera on it and stuff like that.

00:46:07.000 And just to see these things come down and eat and what they do, so cool.

00:46:10.000 Now, a wedge-tail eagle, is it the size of a golden eagle or a bald eagle?

00:46:14.000 Yeah, they get a couple of meters in wingspan.

00:46:17.000 So it is like that big.

00:46:17.000 They're huge.

00:46:17.000 Oh, wow.

00:46:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:19.000 Wow.

00:46:20.000 Have you ever seen the harpy eagle?

00:46:22.000 That's the biggest one. 0.99

00:46:24.000 Yeah, it lives in Venezuela and they eat monkeys and it's fucked up to watch, man. 1.00

00:46:24.000 Really? 1.00

00:46:30.000 It's really crazy.

00:46:31.000 How'd you be a monkey?

00:46:32.000 How stressful would your life be? 1.00

00:46:33.000 I think about that shit all the time. 0.99

00:46:36.000 I'd just be straight up stressing the whole time. 1.00

00:46:38.000 I'd just lay out and be like, just get it over and done with. 0.99

00:46:40.000 Yeah, and they love sloths, because sloths are just designed to get fucked up by eagles. 0.99

00:46:45.000 I love sloths, too. 0.99

00:46:46.000 They're cool. 0.96

00:46:47.000 This eagle is goddamn huge. 1.00

00:46:49.000 Look at the monkeys, like, fuck this! 1.00

00:46:50.000 The monkey's like, get out of here, man! 1.00

00:46:52.000 But the sloth can't do anything.

00:46:54.000 They're just so slow. 1.00

00:46:55.000 They can't do shit. 1.00

00:46:57.000 Except for stare at it and go, piss off. 1.00

00:46:57.000 Shit. 1.00

00:47:00.000 Look, he just walks up to it and grabs it. 1.00

00:47:02.000 He's like, eh, let me just fucking claw the shit out of you here, dude. 1.00

00:47:04.000 Bloody, get off me, you cunt. 1.00

00:47:06.000 Don't touch me. 1.00

00:47:07.000 Look at this poor sloth. 1.00

00:47:08.000 Not a goddamn thing you can do. 1.00

00:47:10.000 Look at him. 0.98

00:47:11.000 Whoa, this is a weird one.

00:47:12.000 I haven't seen this video. 0.99

00:47:14.000 Watch out, I'll touch your titties. 1.00

00:47:15.000 Get out of here. 0.99

00:47:16.000 The only one I've seen before is one swoops down and grabs one.

00:47:19.000 This one actually says sloth fights back.

00:47:22.000 Oh, barely.

00:47:23.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's really a fight, but...

00:47:25.000 Look at that speed!

00:47:28.000 Joe, that's gonna be you when you're 90. Get out of here!

00:47:30.000 You son of a bitch! 1.00

00:47:31.000 I'll get you in a headlock. 1.00

00:47:32.000 I'll fucking kill you! 1.00

00:47:34.000 Just so weird that nature gave this animal no defense system. 1.00

00:47:38.000 I mean, nature just fucked the sloth. 1.00

00:47:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:40.000 How cool are they, though?

00:47:41.000 You see that one walking, and it's like...

00:47:41.000 Sloth.

00:47:43.000 It almost looks like it's got bloody algae growing on it.

00:47:46.000 That green one that's coming up to the road?

00:47:48.000 How weird are they?

00:47:49.000 Well, a lot of them do have...

00:47:51.000 Do they?

00:47:51.000 Yeah, they do have green growing on them.

00:47:52.000 They look like they smell bad.

00:47:53.000 There's one at a zoo here that has all this mold grow all over its back, and you can...

00:47:58.000 Yeah, look at that right there. 0.96

00:47:59.000 Yep, that's the one. 0.99

00:48:00.000 It's because they move so slow that literally moss and shit can grow on them. 1.00

00:48:05.000 What a fucking goofy-ass animal. 1.00

00:48:07.000 You're very productive, Jamie, eh? 1.00

00:48:08.000 As soon as you say something, he's like, boom.

00:48:10.000 He's the best.

00:48:11.000 Jamie's the best.

00:48:12.000 Look at this thing.

00:48:13.000 He needs another one.

00:48:14.000 Another raise.

00:48:15.000 Another raise for Jamie. 1.00

00:48:16.000 Look at this fucking thing, man. 1.00

00:48:18.000 Look at how it rocks. 1.00

00:48:20.000 I mean, that doesn't even look real.

00:48:21.000 If you told me that that was a creature in a movie, I'd be like, that's going to come and get you.

00:48:25.000 That's the bogey monster. 0.98

00:48:26.000 Oh my god.

00:48:27.000 The bogey monster who comes in the middle of the night, slowly climbs up to your bed. 0.97

00:48:32.000 He only eats babies.

00:48:34.000 That's what it looks like. 0.95

00:48:35.000 It looks like some fake human.

00:48:36.000 It's crazy that technology's brought us this far, where we can look at a video right now at that sloth, but to tell you the truth, if you hadn't travelled the world, you wouldn't even know that animal really existed. 0.58

00:48:46.000 Well, that's why they used to have to have zoos. 0.98

00:48:48.000 That's one of the main reasons why I'm opposed to zoos.

00:48:50.000 I mean, I'm pro-zoo as far as, like, they raise a lot of money for conservation.

00:48:55.000 There's some animals that actually thrive in zoos.

00:48:58.000 Like, we were joking around about it the other day about giraffes. 0.95

00:49:00.000 I used to have this joke in my act about giraffes don't give a fuck about being in a zoo. 0.91

00:49:04.000 They don't feel bad at all. 0.90

00:49:05.000 They love it.

00:49:06.000 They just wander around going, another day with no lions.

00:49:09.000 Yeah.

00:49:09.000 And then just slowly wander around.

00:49:11.000 Because giraffes are the only animal where you let babies feed them. 1.00

00:49:14.000 But what if they don't realize they've got life that good?

00:49:18.000 Like us today. 0.99

00:49:19.000 You know, like it takes a backcountry hunt for you to go home and go, shit, I just flick a switch and a light comes on. 0.99

00:49:24.000 I turn a tap and hot water comes on. 1.00

00:49:26.000 Those giraffes are probably just ignorant and they really don't know, you know? 1.00

00:49:29.000 They definitely don't know. 0.99

00:49:30.000 The truth is they've got a good, there's not lions chasing them every day. 0.95

00:49:33.000 Well, what's fucked up about the Santa Barbara Zoo?

00:49:35.000 Santa Barbara Zoo is great, but the giraffe cage is right next to the lion cage. 0.95

00:49:42.000 Like, literally.

00:49:44.000 Is that to remind them?

00:49:45.000 Oy, this is what it could be like?

00:49:48.000 That's what they should do.

00:49:49.000 They should let them out for a week.

00:49:51.000 They should let them out for a week. 1.00

00:49:52.000 Let lions and shit chase them around. 0.99

00:49:54.000 Let them back in the zoo and go, see? 1.00

00:49:56.000 That's what it could be like.

00:49:57.000 What do you want?

00:49:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:58.000 Stop being such an asshole. 1.00

00:49:59.000 Just eat your lettuce. 1.00

00:50:01.000 But look at this.

00:50:02.000 People can feed them.

00:50:03.000 Look at that little kid.

00:50:04.000 Look at that little kid.

00:50:05.000 No one's even remotely worried about the behavior of giraffes.

00:50:07.000 They've never exhibited any aggressive behavior towards people.

00:50:10.000 Except for that little kid.

00:50:10.000 He looked a bit stressed.

00:50:11.000 He just didn't know. 1.00

00:50:13.000 He's just maybe a little pussy. 1.00

00:50:14.000 How about that? 1.00

00:50:16.000 A kid's gonna grow up. 1.00

00:50:17.000 Learn jiu-jitsu and kick your ass. 1.00

00:50:20.000 I don't think he's gonna need more than jiu-jitsu for a giraffe. 1.00

00:50:23.000 You'd be about 90. You'd be right.

00:50:24.000 You need a Hoyt. 0.99

00:50:26.000 So these giraffes are right next to this fucking cage where, I mean, they're only separated by a couple of fences. 0.99

00:50:32.000 There's two fences and right over there is these lionesses. 1.00

00:50:35.000 That's awesome.

00:50:36.000 And you can get, they have thick glass, you can get right, like where you are to me, you can get right up to the lion.

00:50:41.000 Really?

00:50:41.000 And when you get right up to them, you feel so vulnerable.

00:50:44.000 Yeah. 0.85

00:50:44.000 Like, you know there's glass, but that cat's looking at you, and you're like, your whole body just starts going, get the fuck out of here. 0.85

00:50:49.000 And so it should.

00:50:51.000 That's your instinct saying, dude, what are you doing?

00:50:54.000 Yeah, there's something about cats, man.

00:50:56.000 Oh, you've seen this one where this baby is standing there, and it turns its back, and the lion can't even help it.

00:51:03.000 Yeah, no, it's just the instinct.

00:51:05.000 Yeah, but as soon as the kid turns its back, it's like, now. 1.00

00:51:10.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:51:12.000 Shit. 1.00

00:51:13.000 Did you see any mountain lions when you're out there? 1.00

00:51:16.000 One coming to the kill site, his prints were all through the snow there.

00:51:19.000 Really?

00:51:20.000 Yeah, and that country's pretty known for mountain lions as well.

00:51:24.000 Two or three years ago when I was in there, we got fresh snow and I went right up high.

00:51:28.000 Big mountain tracks.

00:51:29.000 And that's just because there was fresh snow.

00:51:31.000 I'm sure there was fresh mountain tracks everywhere I walked every day, but it's just that there was fresh snow and it left the tracks perfectly in the snow.

00:51:37.000 How many times do you walk past a mountain lion and it's staring at you?

00:51:41.000 Or how many times has there been a mountain lion off in the distance looking at you?

00:51:44.000 And you had no idea it was there.

00:51:45.000 They're there.

00:51:46.000 You don't know if they're there.

00:51:46.000 And then every now and then you'll get a weird feeling like I'm being...

00:51:50.000 It's a funny sense, you know, and I hate saying about it because people will say, oh, bullshit. 0.87

00:51:54.000 But I'll get a funny feeling that something's looking at me.

00:51:57.000 And if I stop at that point and have a look around, chances are I'll find a deer or a fox or something staring at me from up on the ridge or in the timber or something like that.

00:52:07.000 Happened with Shane Doran.

00:52:08.000 You had Shane on the show a long ago.

00:52:10.000 Shane was out hunting with me just before he'd come on your show.

00:52:13.000 And I stopped, and I'm like, ah, dude, I've just got this weird feeling of being watched.

00:52:17.000 And we looked around, and then, yeah, there's a buck, like, looking behind a tree, staring straight at us, you know?

00:52:21.000 So it's like, it tickles a sense, that's for sure.

00:52:24.000 Do you think, now this is going to get into the woo-woo, yeah, woo-woo-woo, 100% re-ignites.

00:52:50.000 We can't have gone through such a long period where you had to hunt.

00:52:55.000 That's just how people were.

00:52:56.000 The natural world is people out in the woods, just like with the animals, that all that ignites.

00:53:04.000 And it fades when we're looking at...

00:53:08.000 We're good to go.

00:53:26.000 I feel like something's watching us, or the way you react, or you're listening, or what you hear, and just all your senses become so fine-tuned to the wilderness.

00:53:36.000 Man, it's a beautiful thing.

00:53:38.000 Yeah, the move forward is an interesting way of looking at it, because I don't think technology necessarily is having us move forward, but what it's definitely having us do is move different.

00:53:48.000 We're interacting with each other less in the physical sense and more in the digital sense, and we're way less likely to interact with the rest of the wild world.

00:53:58.000 I mean, the wild, that's a weird term too.

00:54:01.000 Like, I've always felt like the word outdoors.

00:54:04.000 Like, I love the outdoors.

00:54:05.000 Like, how fucking weird are people that we call the whole world outdoors, but are, you know, like, We're so used to being in these shelters that the sheltered life is normal, but the outdoors, out of the shelter. 0.88

00:54:17.000 Well, that's the actual world. 0.97

00:54:18.000 That's the actual world.

00:54:19.000 Yeah, that's the actual world.

00:54:20.000 You what?

00:54:21.000 You go to the outdoors?

00:54:22.000 You want to go out there camping?

00:54:23.000 You go to the outdoors?

00:54:25.000 Yeah.

00:54:25.000 Oh, well.

00:54:26.000 Outdoors.

00:54:26.000 What a weird description.

00:54:28.000 The outdoors.

00:54:30.000 It's a strange way of looking at the wilderness.

00:54:32.000 The wilderness is a much better term.

00:54:34.000 But outdoors is like, oh, I love the great outdoors. 1.00

00:54:37.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:54:39.000 I love the world how it is today. 1.00

00:54:41.000 I think you said it on a show not long ago.

00:54:43.000 We've never had it better than we have now.

00:54:46.000 100%.

00:54:46.000 If you don't think we've got it better now, it's because you're not appreciating everything that there is.

00:54:52.000 So I like technology in the sense that I can connect with a lot of people.

00:54:56.000 You.

00:54:56.000 Cam Haynes, you know, stuff like that.

00:54:58.000 I wouldn't have friendships with you guys if it wasn't for how technology was today.

00:55:02.000 Yeah, you live on the other side of the planet.

00:55:04.000 Exactly.

00:55:04.000 How crazy is that?

00:55:05.000 And the world becomes really small.

00:55:08.000 So I love all that, but at the same time, I just hate the disconnect that people have.

00:55:12.000 I hate that...

00:55:14.000 I think? 0.99

00:55:40.000 Rubbish service. 1.00

00:55:41.000 Someone comes to your house and collects your friggin' rubbish. 1.00

00:55:44.000 Serious? 1.00

00:55:45.000 No, serious.

00:55:46.000 You think about it.

00:55:47.000 There was a point where we couldn't get done what we would today because you had so much else to do.

00:55:53.000 Right. 1.00

00:55:54.000 Your own rubbish. 0.99

00:55:54.000 Probably grow your own vegetables or drive or walk or horse ride the day into the town to get vegetables or whatever it was. 0.99

00:56:03.000 And...

00:56:04.000 Washing your clothes.

00:56:06.000 Sitting there with a scrub and brush and washing your clothes over a board would take hours and hours.

00:56:10.000 Now you just throw it in a machine.

00:56:11.000 I'll come back and get it when it's convenient for me and pull it out.

00:56:14.000 So you get to do a lot more in today's world, but there's so much to do that a lot of people don't get to do what we do and go outdoors and experience that or appreciate those things because they haven't had that hardship before.

00:56:27.000 The mountains can be a hard and miserable experience, but it makes you appreciate the things in modern life that aren't hard anymore.

00:56:37.000 It's a perspective enhancer because it's a reality check because you realize, wow, what a strange world we live in that we need shelter and we need fire and we need all this stuff in order to survive.

00:56:49.000 But without that stuff, when you're out there as minimalistic as you've done it, like doing it with a small pack, which is Just a few days worth of food and sleeping under a cloth house, a little tent, you know?

00:57:00.000 I mean, that's a perspective enhancer because it gives you this real appreciation of what people have actually accomplished.

00:57:07.000 But most folks are not doing that.

00:57:10.000 And so they get really detached from where their food comes from, really detached from the world itself.

00:57:16.000 And it's not It's not their fault.

00:57:18.000 It's just the environment that you're accustomed to.

00:57:21.000 We're all accustomed to supermarkets and restaurants and being able to just get a bottle of water.

00:57:26.000 You know, oh, I'm thirsty.

00:57:27.000 Let me just pop the top on this water. 1.00

00:57:29.000 And people will still complain about that shit. 1.00

00:57:31.000 That's the crazy thing. 1.00

00:57:32.000 People will still complain about that.

00:57:34.000 And I'm like, dude, you need to check yourself.

00:57:36.000 I went to Africa a couple of years ago and was in a real poor village in Mozambique.

00:57:42.000 And everyone's still smiling.

00:57:45.000 It was an unseasonal year and it was really cold.

00:57:48.000 So we go through this village and a lot of these villages have never seen a white person before.

00:57:54.000 And we go through these villages and it's three o'clock in the morning and they're all standing around a fire.

00:58:00.000 And I said to the guy beside me, the local guy, I'm like, oh, do they all start work early?

00:58:06.000 And he's like, no, they're not.

00:58:08.000 They can't sleep.

00:58:09.000 And I'm like, what do you mean they can't sleep?

00:58:10.000 And he's like, well, it's really cold.

00:58:12.000 They don't have blankets or anything like that.

00:58:14.000 So they get up in the morning and they start a fire and they all huddle around the fire to get warm because it's freezing.

00:58:20.000 And it's not that they don't have the money to buy blankets.

00:58:24.000 There's no blankets.

00:58:25.000 There's no friggin' blankets for sale.

00:58:27.000 It's as simple as that.

00:58:28.000 There's not like, oh, they don't have the $20 to buy a blanket.

00:58:31.000 There's not even the resource for there to be a blanket available for them to buy.

00:58:35.000 There's babies crawling around in dust that's like 6, 7, 8 inches thick, the dust, around the village, because, you know, they all walk around the village and create a lot of dust.

00:58:45.000 No one's complaining there.

00:58:47.000 That's what they're used to and they're happy. 0.89

00:58:49.000 Throw someone from our society in that, man, they'd be miserable. 0.99

00:58:53.000 They'd probably cut their own friggin' wrists. 0.99

00:58:56.000 And I come home from there thinking those people have got it that hard, that's what they're used to, but they've got it that hard and they're still smiling. 0.95

00:59:05.000 It was a bit of a check for me.

00:59:07.000 I've got power, I've got running water, and I've always been appreciative of these things anyway, but...

00:59:14.000 We've got power.

00:59:15.000 We've got water.

00:59:15.000 We've got, in Australia, we've got Medicare, you know, like real good health services.

00:59:19.000 We've got everything like that, and people still find something to complain about.

00:59:23.000 And it's just because they haven't been through a real hardship in their life that they don't realize.

00:59:27.000 It could be a hell of a lot harder than this.

00:59:29.000 This isn't even hard.

00:59:30.000 It's easy.

00:59:31.000 It's just what we're used to, and we're used to complaining about it.

00:59:33.000 Well, it's also...

00:59:35.000 One of the strange things that we've created by creating houses that have electricity inside them and easy access to food and shelter, sleep in a nice comfortable mattress.

00:59:47.000 By doing that and by detaching ourselves from the natural world, I think we remove just a little bit of the mystery of being alive.

00:59:55.000 How bizarre it really is to be a living creature.

00:59:59.000 How amazing it is.

01:00:00.000 Amazing, yes.

01:00:01.000 I mean, when you're walking through the woods and you're seeing that grizzly bear who's sleeping on the carcass of that elk, that bear has been living like that probably for, if you ran into an 11-foot bear, how many years is he?

01:00:14.000 Like 15 years old maybe?

01:00:15.000 15, yeah. 0.98

01:00:16.000 Yeah, it's a giant fucking huge monster bear that's just out there surviving the hard way for a long time in Montana. 0.97

01:00:25.000 Yeah, going through these winters. 0.99

01:00:27.000 Doesn't give a shit if it rains, if it's sunny, if it's snowing. 0.99

01:00:31.000 Doesn't even give a shit about a pack of wolves. 1.00

01:00:33.000 Black doll eyes. 1.00

01:00:35.000 You see their eyes when you look?

01:00:36.000 I ran into one grizzly bear in my life where it was in the wild.

01:00:41.000 Only once.

01:00:42.000 And it was last year with Cam in Alberta.

01:00:44.000 I was actually with Jen.

01:00:46.000 Oh, yeah, nice.

01:00:48.000 Jen said, turn around, he's a grizzly. 0.87

01:00:49.000 And we turned around, there's this grizzly looking at us. 1.00

01:00:52.000 And this motherfucker was looking through me. 0.99

01:00:55.000 There's such a difference in the way they look at you. 1.00

01:00:58.000 He's not looking at you and going, oh, that's Joe Rogan.

01:01:01.000 No, they look through...

01:01:02.000 But they look through you in the strangest apex predator way.

01:01:07.000 Well, they have, like, this dead look in their eyes.

01:01:09.000 They're very...

01:01:09.000 It's a very strange animal.

01:01:11.000 Yeah.

01:01:11.000 It is.

01:01:12.000 It's like...

01:01:13.000 I shouldn't say soul.

01:01:14.000 This is probably a bit of a harsh way.

01:01:16.000 I don't even know if a soul is real, but I know what you're saying.

01:01:18.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:01:19.000 They don't give a shit. 1.00

01:01:20.000 Compassionless. 1.00

01:01:20.000 Yeah, they don't give a shit. 1.00

01:01:22.000 That's what it is. 1.00

01:01:23.000 Compassionless.

01:01:23.000 This is just a part of life.

01:01:25.000 If I feel like I'm going to eat you, I'm going to frigging eat you. 0.99

01:01:27.000 I remember the first video I ever saw of a bear killing a moose. 0.99

01:01:31.000 The bear chased the moose, knocked it down, and started eating it guts first while it was alive, just holding it down and eating it.

01:01:38.000 That's nature, right?

01:01:39.000 Yeah.

01:01:40.000 This is the funny bit, you know, where these extreme greenies think these animals go around like, you know... 1.00

01:01:47.000 Hugging each other. 0.97

01:01:47.000 Yeah, like, oh, that's my cousin, you know, we'll catch up and have a beer later and shit like that. 0.97

01:01:52.000 No, they don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:01:53.000 They don't care if you're screaming and howling. 1.00

01:01:56.000 It's just going to eat you.

01:01:57.000 It's like a lot of the coyote dingoes back home.

01:02:01.000 If dingoes get a calf back home, they're not like, oh, I'm going to be humane with this calf.

01:02:06.000 I'll bite its throat first, I'll tear its throat out, make sure it's died and it's peaceful and stuff like that.

01:02:12.000 They'll just start eating it right there and there. 1.00

01:02:13.000 It will die in its own time.

01:02:16.000 That's not even a thought process for these animals.

01:02:18.000 No, they're just concerned with consumption.

01:02:20.000 When you do see them do it, too, when you do see them eat something, it's like, oh, yeah, of course that's how they do it.

01:02:28.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:02:28.000 Yeah, but you don't think of it that way.

01:02:31.000 You know, it's movies, man.

01:02:32.000 Movies have confused the shit out of people, and then being away from them for long periods of time... 0.73

01:02:37.000 Yeah, but we can't blame the movies because it's on that individual. 0.62

01:02:41.000 I'm smart enough.

01:02:42.000 You're smart enough.

01:02:43.000 Common sense tells you that that's a movie.

01:02:46.000 They're not really like that.

01:02:47.000 You know, how can people be that disconnected to think that's actually how animals live their life? 0.96

01:02:53.000 It's just a friggin' movie.

01:02:54.000 Yeah, but the people, they just... 0.93

01:02:56.000 I don't think they really think that, but they're not exposed to the harsh reality of it.

01:03:01.000 I don't think they really think that the bears talk to each other in English, and then they hug each other, and they help people. 0.99

01:03:07.000 But the reality of seeing bears in Klondike bar commercials and Coca-Cola ads, that does fuck with your head. 0.84

01:03:14.000 It does, in some way, plants these seeds of what Rinella calls... 0.96

01:03:20.000 What does it call it?

01:03:21.000 Charismatic megafauna.

01:03:23.000 Yeah.

01:03:23.000 You know, these things become your friends, your long-lost wilderness friends.

01:03:28.000 Man, I've got a cat.

01:03:29.000 I've got a dog at home.

01:03:30.000 I love them.

01:03:31.000 Like, cool.

01:03:32.000 But at the end of the day, I know it's an animal.

01:03:34.000 And it's not a senseless way of saying it, because I believe hunters, or the hunters that I've met, are the most compassionate people that you'll ever meet.

01:03:42.000 Because it is a hard thing to take an animal's life, but I know it's part of the process, you know?

01:03:49.000 It's not like I'm just, let's just go out and kill an elk.

01:03:51.000 Yeah, we got an elk killed.

01:03:53.000 I'm totally not that hunter at all.

01:03:55.000 Nothing turns me off more.

01:03:57.000 I'm not that sort of person.

01:03:58.000 I'll have a quiet time with that animal.

01:04:01.000 I'll put my hand on it and everything and just be thankful.

01:04:04.000 I know it's an animal.

01:04:06.000 I know the meat's going to be used.

01:04:08.000 I know I'm doing the right thing.

01:04:10.000 But it's still, that's the human emotion part of it, you know?

01:04:13.000 And that's what, in a sense, that's why I got upset when I killed that bull elk, you know?

01:04:17.000 It's like, it is a beautiful creature.

01:04:19.000 I understand that's definitely a beautiful creature and it's a hard thing to do.

01:04:24.000 But that's the food chain.

01:04:26.000 Well, it's also very sustainable.

01:04:28.000 And what's interesting is what you're doing is you're dipping your body, your mind, your feet into the wild world.

01:04:35.000 That elk is going to get eaten by something.

01:04:37.000 If it's not you, it's going to get eaten by that bear that was sleeping on the carcass.

01:04:40.000 Yeah, nothing goes to waste.

01:04:42.000 I completely understand that after hunting.

01:04:45.000 After getting so far in the hunting, I completely understand that.

01:04:48.000 Nothing goes to waste.

01:04:49.000 Nothing ever.

01:04:50.000 If an animal breaks its leg, something's going to take care of that thing.

01:04:54.000 It's just all part of the cycle.

01:04:55.000 It's all part of the big picture of the world.

01:04:57.000 The biggest creature on the world is the world itself.

01:05:02.000 It feeds off everything.

01:05:03.000 Us.

01:05:04.000 We're even part of the world's prey.

01:05:07.000 Yeah, in a way, yeah.

01:05:09.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:05:10.000 Well, it becomes this super complex system that has everything in place.

01:05:13.000 It's got a system to dissolve bodies, and the bacteria dissolves what the animals don't eat, and there's just this really complex pattern that's in place that's been in place forever.

01:05:24.000 And what you're doing as a hunter is just going into it and becoming, for a brief period, Week or so, you're becoming a part of that system.

01:05:32.000 Or a month.

01:05:33.000 Or a month for you. 0.98

01:05:35.000 And you're acquiring your food that way, which I obviously, and you obviously think, is way better than going to a fucking supermarket and hiring some supermarket hitman to do the work for you and feeling that you're guilt-free. 0.97

01:05:48.000 I worked at the Abattoirs for some time. 0.97

01:05:50.000 What is that?

01:05:51.000 Abattoirs, like a slaughterhouse.

01:05:53.000 Oh, that's right.

01:05:54.000 Abattoirs?

01:05:54.000 Yeah, Abattoir in Australia.

01:05:55.000 You know what that is?

01:05:56.000 You ever heard of that?

01:05:57.000 I think it might be in Australian.

01:05:58.000 Yeah, it's very secluded here in America.

01:06:01.000 How would you know about that?

01:06:03.000 Yeah, we don't know too much about you other than like Crocodile Dundee.

01:06:07.000 That's crazy.

01:06:09.000 Land Down Under.

01:06:10.000 Sometimes I'll use a saying or say something.

01:06:12.000 I'm like, do you understand that word or not?

01:06:14.000 Abattoir.

01:06:15.000 Slaughterhouse.

01:06:16.000 Is that normal?

01:06:18.000 Did I say it right?

01:06:18.000 Spanish Central.

01:06:19.000 Hmm.

01:06:20.000 Spanish Central? 1.00

01:06:21.000 It's Australia, bitch. 1.00

01:06:22.000 Spanish speakers? 1.00

01:06:23.000 Is it a Spanish word?

01:06:25.000 Must be.

01:06:25.000 Huh.

01:06:26.000 Interesting word.

01:06:27.000 I'll just start calling it Slaughterhouse.

01:06:29.000 Slaughterhouse.

01:06:29.000 Yeah.

01:06:30.000 And so 7,000 sheep would go past on a chain.

01:06:34.000 I just had the one job to do.

01:06:36.000 And there'd be 700 people.

01:06:38.000 Were you making a slashing?

01:06:40.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:06:40.000 Is that what you did?

01:06:41.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:06:41.000 You just cut their throats? 0.95

01:06:42.000 There would be 700 other workers just on the slaughter floor part. 0.97

01:06:47.000 So that meat was passing 700 people's hands, mouths, the whole lot, through a...

01:06:54.000 I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with this, because the population of the world demands that.

01:06:58.000 Not everyone can hunt now.

01:06:59.000 So I don't have an issue with slaughterhouses or anything like that.

01:07:01.000 But I'm saying that meat goes through a way different process, I would have to say, for a better word, brutal process, where...

01:07:13.000 Those animals get herded on to a truck, like a semi-trailer, driven to the slaughterhouse, put in small yards, pushed through a gate to go past all those people's hands that are cutting the meat.

01:07:26.000 That's before it even gets to the point where it's going to get cut up for packaging.

01:07:30.000 And then, obviously, it gets sent out to different grocery stores and then sold from there.

01:07:35.000 My meat passes these hands here.

01:07:37.000 That's it.

01:07:38.000 Yeah.

01:07:39.000 That's the only meat that it passes.

01:07:40.000 I get to inspect every single animal in its natural form because I'm the one that kills it.

01:07:46.000 Isn't it strange that that's the norm, that the norm is a slaughterhouse?

01:07:49.000 And that's only been around for a couple hundred years.

01:07:52.000 Yeah.

01:07:52.000 Before that, everybody did it the hard way.

01:07:54.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:07:55.000 Yeah, but yet...

01:07:57.000 We seem to be the outsiders for doing it like that.

01:08:01.000 This is so much more natural.

01:08:03.000 It's freaking beautiful.

01:08:04.000 The process is actually beautiful once you get to know it and you look at it. 0.76

01:08:09.000 Everyone thinks, you had to gut an animal.

01:08:11.000 Do you know how clean it is to gut an animal?

01:08:13.000 Like, it's clean.

01:08:14.000 It's not a messy job at all.

01:08:17.000 And there's no, like, I've got to block my nose.

01:08:20.000 I don't want to smell it.

01:08:21.000 No, it doesn't smell bad at all.

01:08:21.000 There's no smell.

01:08:22.000 There's nothing.

01:08:23.000 This is clean meat.

01:08:24.000 And that's what I'm saying.

01:08:25.000 The blood on my hands at that point is clean.

01:08:28.000 Wouldn't bother me to eat a chocolate bar and lick my fingers after it.

01:08:31.000 You can eat the meat completely raw.

01:08:32.000 Exactly.

01:08:33.000 It's red meat.

01:08:33.000 It's not a predator.

01:08:34.000 I mean, the only thing you have to worry about is if you eat a pig or if you eat a mountain lion or something like that.

01:08:39.000 You've got to worry about trichinosis.

01:08:40.000 We don't even have that at home.

01:08:41.000 You don't have trichinosis?

01:08:42.000 Nope.

01:08:43.000 And so you can eat your pigs pretty rare?

01:08:46.000 You could.

01:08:47.000 You definitely could.

01:08:48.000 So come here and they cook bacon and it's like a crusty bit of cardboard.

01:08:53.000 I'm sure you do the same.

01:08:55.000 Well, I didn't know that.

01:08:56.000 So I cooked some bacon for our friends that we stayed with, Ed and Kay Westbrook.

01:09:00.000 They were on that bear hunt with us, Ed and Kay.

01:09:02.000 And I'm used to just having my bacon slightly cooked.

01:09:06.000 So I just slightly cooked it and put it on the plate.

01:09:08.000 I ate all my bacon.

01:09:09.000 They didn't eat their bacon.

01:09:10.000 I'm like, oh, they mustn't be big bacon eaters.

01:09:12.000 And then after the fact that I've eaten my bacon, thanks Kay, she's like, yeah, we really like to cook our bacon well because of trichinosis. 0.99

01:09:20.000 And I'm like, what the fuck? 0.98

01:09:22.000 Like, you let me eat mine though? 1.00

01:09:24.000 Well, it's much less of a concern with domestic pigs.

01:09:28.000 They actually lowered the temperature that you're supposed to kill or cook, rather, domestic pork. 0.97

01:09:34.000 It used to be like 165 degrees, which is what they recommend you cook and bear at.

01:09:39.000 Now it's 140 degrees.

01:09:40.000 Yeah, okay.

01:09:41.000 So you're okay.

01:09:42.000 I'm okay.

01:09:42.000 I should be cool.

01:09:43.000 Well, they don't ever get out.

01:09:44.000 I mean, unless something gets to them.

01:09:47.000 The way you get trichinosis by eating something with trichinosis, the horrific nature of pig farming, of domestic, the way they raise it, these factory farms, it's horrible.

01:09:57.000 Yeah.

01:09:58.000 I mean, it really makes you never want to eat pork again.

01:10:00.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:10:00.000 It's really disgusting.

01:10:01.000 Yeah, I'm just happy filling my freezer with naturally harvest meat.

01:10:07.000 100%.

01:10:07.000 Kim eats it, the kids eat it, they all love it.

01:10:09.000 But isn't it interesting what you said earlier that everybody can't do that?

01:10:13.000 They can't do it.

01:10:14.000 That's bizarre.

01:10:15.000 It is bizarre.

01:10:16.000 It's because of what we're talking about.

01:10:19.000 You've got to have this job, you've got to make good money, you need to be successful.

01:10:24.000 I think?

01:10:36.000 Whatever.

01:10:37.000 Being a good father.

01:10:38.000 Like, that's the sort of... 0.99

01:10:39.000 The work shit or whatever. 1.00

01:10:41.000 Who gives a shit? 1.00

01:10:42.000 Leave your job tomorrow if you have to to go and do something that you enjoy in life, right? 0.99

01:10:46.000 That's the end story because you're not going to get to your deathbed and be like, oh, I really wish I pushed and got that better position at work or whatever.

01:10:53.000 You're never going to do that.

01:10:55.000 You'll always be like, I wish I did...

01:10:58.000 I wish I went and climbed friggin' Everest or whatever it is.

01:11:02.000 That's what it's going to be, but we all get caught up in this trap is, no, I've got to have the newest car, the nicest house, we need to live in this suburb, I need to be the CEO at work, I need to do that sort of thing.

01:11:14.000 Well, I think we're set up with this desire in our heads to attain things that we think are difficult to attain that we see.

01:11:21.000 Like we see a shiny car and we see a beautiful house.

01:11:24.000 We see all the different trappings of modern society.

01:11:28.000 We see those things and they're very appealing to us.

01:11:30.000 They seem to be like goalposts of success.

01:11:35.000 And then if we can reach those things, maybe we'll reach more happiness or we'll feel better about ourselves.

01:11:40.000 We'll have some status that we can brag about.

01:11:43.000 And you chase that stuff until your heart stops beating.

01:11:46.000 That's the trap.

01:11:46.000 Yeah.

01:11:46.000 I do the same thing.

01:11:48.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:11:49.000 I'll see an advertisement for a car or something like that and be like, I really like that car. 0.99

01:11:53.000 But then there's another part of me that clicks and go, you don't need that frigging car. 0.97

01:11:57.000 Why do you want that car? 0.97

01:11:58.000 That car means you've got to work longer or work more.

01:12:00.000 Or something else to maintain or something like that.

01:12:03.000 Are you going to want to get that car scratched in the bush?

01:12:06.000 That's another thing.

01:12:07.000 I'm like, no, I've already got a car.

01:12:08.000 Just be happy with what you've got. 1.00

01:12:10.000 You're an idiot. 1.00

01:12:11.000 If you go and chase that, you're an idiot. 1.00

01:12:13.000 Just be happy with what you've got. 1.00

01:12:14.000 Life's good.

01:12:15.000 More outdoor experience.

01:12:18.000 More time for your kids.

01:12:18.000 More time for your wife.

01:12:20.000 Whatever in that sense.

01:12:25.000 That's a whole modern society thing.

01:12:28.000 Indigenous Australia... 0.99

01:12:30.000 Not all of Indigenous Australia, but most of Indigenous Australia because it's so young to our culture, you know, because Australia was only discovered in...

01:12:37.000 Maybe Jamie can look it up because I don't know the exact date.

01:12:40.000 I probably should.

01:12:44.000 Indigenous Australia don't seem to have that desire.

01:12:47.000 They're just happy with what they've got.

01:12:49.000 And it's something to be envious of, that they're just happy with that, that they're not going to waste their life going and chasing silly things, you know.

01:12:58.000 Yeah.

01:12:58.000 Well, at the end of the day, those things that you're chasing, you can't take them with you.

01:13:02.000 That's right.

01:13:03.000 Yeah.

01:13:03.000 And even if you leave them behind for your family, I mean, they're only going to enjoy them until they stop living.

01:13:08.000 But it's like the masterpiece is enjoying your life to the utmost and having the most success with your family, with your friends, the most relationship success, the most harmony with the people that you come in contact with. 0.96

01:13:23.000 But that doesn't seem to be rewarded the same way in our world as someone who's got some baller house and a fucking helicopter picks him up and he's got golden underwear. 0.93

01:13:33.000 But that fades, right? 0.98

01:13:34.000 Yeah, it does.

01:13:35.000 They can have that helicopter and I guarantee you that it fades and they want something new.

01:13:40.000 There's something new that you're desiring past that.

01:13:43.000 What I've tried to train myself to desire and what I do desire now is experiences, like worldly experiences.

01:13:50.000 Coming to America for the month.

01:13:53.000 Man, I'd sell my...

01:13:54.000 If it meant to have to sell the house that I'm in...

01:13:56.000 A kin would kill me, so I wouldn't. 1.00

01:13:58.000 Let's find something else.

01:14:00.000 If I had to sell my car...

01:14:02.000 To come to America for a month?

01:14:03.000 To come to America for a month, I'd do it.

01:14:05.000 Wow.

01:14:05.000 I'd drop it.

01:14:07.000 100%.

01:14:07.000 Because the...

01:14:10.000 And it's not even the stories that I'll tell you or Cam or Antonio or one of my friends back home.

01:14:15.000 It's not even those stories.

01:14:16.000 It's the stories within myself and the experience within myself.

01:14:20.000 That's where the real value is.

01:14:22.000 That's the real currency of this world is what's inside me right now and how I feel after doing this trip.

01:14:28.000 Man, this trip was miserable.

01:14:30.000 I won't lie to you, but it's an enjoyable miserable. 1.00

01:14:33.000 How do you work that shit out? 0.99

01:14:35.000 How could being in the snow, being wet, flogging myself out for 16, 17 hours every day into the dark of night and getting back in the camp, being miserable, how could that be enjoyable? 0.99

01:14:47.000 Because the second you get back to camp, you're like, oh, a fire.

01:14:51.000 That's awesome.

01:14:52.000 Second you lay down, yeah, I'm just like, oh, it's so good to lay down. 0.99

01:14:56.000 It's like you've got to go through hardship to find the good shit in life. 0.97

01:15:00.000 I went through this five days on Prince of Wales Island with Rinella and my friend Brian Callan, and it was raining every day. 0.98

01:15:07.000 It's pouring rain every day.

01:15:09.000 The hunt was unsuccessful, too.

01:15:11.000 We didn't get a deer.

01:15:12.000 But we came back, and I was so happy.

01:15:14.000 I was like, the sun is so warm.

01:15:16.000 That's It's so nice.

01:15:17.000 There's no rain, and it's the same as it is today, which is beautiful.

01:15:21.000 I mean, it was beautiful today, but I didn't really appreciate it the way I appreciated it when I came back from Prince of Wales.

01:15:26.000 Yeah, definitely, yeah.

01:15:27.000 I really do believe that you have to go through some difficulty to appreciate good stuff.

01:15:33.000 Like, if you're born into, like, a...

01:15:35.000 Some super wealthy multi-billionaire family and you've got a Ferrari when you're 16 and you fly around everywhere in private jets and you live in a giant mansion.

01:15:45.000 I just don't think that you can ever appreciate the difficulty of life.

01:15:50.000 I work for what I've got today.

01:15:53.000 I had a hard upbringing and stuff like that.

01:15:56.000 My father was an abusive alcoholic.

01:15:58.000 I lived on the streets for some time and I really believe that put me where I am with my family.

01:16:05.000 I absolutely adore my family.

01:16:07.000 I'd do anything for my wife and kids.

01:16:08.000 I'd cut my own arms off and sell them if I had to.

01:16:11.000 That's because of the hardship that I had when I was growing up.

01:16:15.000 My business is very successful today and I believe that's because I didn't have anything growing up as a kid.

01:16:21.000 We were poor.

01:16:22.000 We were very poor.

01:16:24.000 We had nothing.

01:16:25.000 We didn't do Christmases because there was no money to do Christmas.

01:16:29.000 And coming from a broken family like that to now having my own family, I know how to treat them right because of how we were treated so wrong as kids and how my mother was treated. 0.99

01:16:41.000 I know how to treat Kim or it's how I'm proven that That shit don't fly in my house. 1.00

01:16:49.000 This is how it actually is. 1.00

01:16:50.000 You love your family to death.

01:16:51.000 You do absolutely anything for them.

01:16:54.000 The biggest thing that I'm proud of in life is having the family that I've got today.

01:16:58.000 Bow hunting aside, man, I'd drop bow hunting.

01:17:01.000 You know how much I love bow hunting. 0.99

01:17:03.000 Shit, I'd drop bow hunting for my family. 1.00

01:17:05.000 I'm not going to do it if Kim's listening. 1.00

01:17:08.000 Lucky you don't have to.

01:17:10.000 But, yeah, that is an interesting thing how people come from, a lot of folks that come from abusive, alcoholic families, they wind up being really considerate, really compassionate, and really dedicated to keeping on the straight and narrow.

01:17:27.000 You know, I have my friend Maurice, he grew up with an alcoholic grandmother who raised him, and they used to...

01:17:33.000 They used to lock him in a room and just leave him there where they would go out drinking and he couldn't get out of the room.

01:17:39.000 There was no food.

01:17:40.000 He was always hungry and never drank in his whole life.

01:17:43.000 I'm a non-drinker and it's just because of how I've seen my father was drinking.

01:17:49.000 I believe I wouldn't be like that drinking because I care about the person on the street I don't even know.

01:17:54.000 That's the sort of person that I am.

01:17:56.000 So I don't believe I would be the violent drunk that my father was.

01:18:01.000 But it's something I don't want to even promote to my kids.

01:18:04.000 I don't even want to promote it to my friends.

01:18:05.000 So I won't drink.

01:18:07.000 And I don't need to drink. 0.89

01:18:08.000 I'm silly enough, as you can tell. 0.81

01:18:09.000 Yeah, I've seen that many times, man. 0.90

01:18:12.000 People who grew up in that sort of abusive, substance-abusing family, they grow up and they're clean as a whistle and they don't have nothing to do with it.

01:18:21.000 And it makes total sense.

01:18:22.000 Yeah, it turns you right off it.

01:18:24.000 Yeah, it's interesting how that works, man. 0.85

01:18:25.000 How sometimes you have to see someone just fucking completely ruining their life in order for you to get it in your head. 0.88

01:18:32.000 Well, that is not me. 0.89

01:18:33.000 I've seen all the negatives in it, and then I was like, I don't want any negatives in my life at all.

01:18:38.000 I'll do anything to avoid them.

01:18:40.000 That's why I keep on the straight and narrow and try and be a real positive person.

01:18:45.000 I just don't want anything negative like that in my life.

01:18:49.000 I've seen alcohol as being a negative breeder because people do stuff that they usually wouldn't.

01:18:57.000 100%.

01:18:57.000 But at the same time...

01:19:00.000 I can be at work or something and the guys are drinking and having a good time and there's no issue at all. 0.99

01:19:05.000 Shit, I'll stay up all night with them having a good laugh. 0.99

01:19:07.000 I just don't need it to have fun anymore because I've never had it and obviously, you know, I've been turned off as a young bloke. 0.99

01:19:16.000 Yeah, I mean, it's not necessary.

01:19:18.000 I mean, it's a social lubricant, and I enjoy it.

01:19:21.000 But I didn't grow up in an alcoholic environment.

01:19:23.000 I grew up in a violent environment.

01:19:25.000 So, you know, domestic violence to me is a very scary thing.

01:19:30.000 And I couldn't imagine ever hitting my wife or hitting my kids or hitting...

01:19:36.000 I just...

01:19:37.000 I can't imagine it.

01:19:38.000 You know, it was...

01:19:39.000 It was so stressful growing up as a kid that I think that's why I've tried to live my life without any stress now.

01:19:46.000 And having my own business can be stressful, but I've tried to grow up without having any stress.

01:19:52.000 And just to have a figure like that in your life growing up as kids, I've got two sisters as well that were obviously affected by it as well.

01:20:02.000 It's a little bit like...

01:20:16.000 I've used it as fuel myself, but I know a lot of people don't and it actually affects them.

01:20:22.000 As they get older, it affects them more and more.

01:20:24.000 It does, and it also affects—if you see violence too often in the young—and by the way, I should really expand on this.

01:20:32.000 Like, the violence that I saw was nothing.

01:20:34.000 I mean, you know, my dad hit my mom a few times.

01:20:37.000 You know, he smacked her around.

01:20:38.000 I saw him hit some other people, too.

01:20:40.000 He's just a— That's horrible, yeah.

01:20:42.000 That's enough.

01:20:43.000 It's bad, but— It's not violence in comparison.

01:20:46.000 It never hit me.

01:20:48.000 I've seen many people who've lived way more violent upbringing, way, way worse than what I've seen.

01:20:54.000 But one of the things that happens to young people when they see violence on a regular basis is your brain gets programmed.

01:21:04.000 To accept, not just accept that, but to be wary of that, and to be ready to respond to that.

01:21:10.000 And so you develop a much quicker temper, and the consequences of being in a dangerous situation become much more real.

01:21:18.000 And you're much more likely to act in a violent way. 0.99

01:21:21.000 When children see violence, they see people getting hit, and they see that kind of shit on a regular basis. 1.00

01:21:25.000 Yeah, it's like the norm. 1.00

01:21:26.000 It becomes normal.

01:21:27.000 I think it's normal.

01:21:27.000 It becomes an option.

01:21:29.000 Yeah.

01:21:32.000 It's just like programming.

01:21:34.000 I mean, you know, you have children.

01:21:35.000 When you raise a kid, it's so fascinating to watch kids learn and grow.

01:21:41.000 And you see what they respond to.

01:21:43.000 And you see when you can talk to them and get them alone and have fun with them and respond and rationalize with them.

01:21:52.000 I try to talk to my kids like they're adults.

01:21:54.000 I talk to them like they're little kids.

01:21:56.000 I give them a lot of love and a lot of...

01:21:57.000 But I try to explain things like they're really smart.

01:22:00.000 Yeah.

01:22:01.000 They probably are really smart because you like that.

01:22:03.000 My kids are like that.

01:22:04.000 They get it kind of, but they keep asking questions and we work it out.

01:22:08.000 What does that mean?

01:22:10.000 We've had conversations about what to do if someone's being mean to you.

01:22:15.000 My daughter was like, someone's being mean to me at school. 0.96

01:22:17.000 I go, well, how are they being mean to you?

01:22:19.000 She's like, well, they said something mean about my hair.

01:22:21.000 I go, well, do you like your hair?

01:22:23.000 And she's like, yeah, I like your hair.

01:22:25.000 I go, do you think they really think there's something wrong with your haircut or are they trying to make you feel bad?

01:22:29.000 She goes, I just think they're mean.

01:22:30.000 I go, well, they're probably trying to make you feel bad, right?

01:22:33.000 And so why do you think they're trying to make you feel bad?

01:22:35.000 Well, a lot of it is because when kids are little, they realize that they can affect someone.

01:22:40.000 And maybe they don't even understand that it's going to have a really bad feeling on you, but it's like a toy that they can play with.

01:22:46.000 Like they can say something mean and you react and they realize it.

01:22:49.000 And this is something that people have to get through.

01:22:52.000 I go, what you should do is realize how that makes you feel and decide you're never going to do that to somebody else, especially not someone who's your friend.

01:22:59.000 So we have these long conversations about feeling, about communication. 0.98

01:23:03.000 And then I explain to her always that whenever I tell my kid about something, I always say, whatever you've done, I've done it worse, and I'm dumber than you. 0.99

01:23:12.000 For sure. 0.98

01:23:13.000 When I was your age.

01:23:14.000 Especially my eight-year-old, who is the...

01:23:19.000 The middle child, but she's very curious and very interested in progress.

01:23:25.000 We talk about things like getting smarter, and one of the things I always say is I go, you're way smarter than I was when I was eight. 0.99

01:23:32.000 When I was eight, I was really dumb, and I did a lot of stupid things. 0.98

01:23:34.000 But also, I was a boy, and I think I was a little more reckless and impulsive and a little crazier. 0.96

01:23:38.000 But I'm like, so anything you've done, like if you don't tell the truth about something, or if you blame somebody else for something that you did, I did it all.

01:23:45.000 I did all those things.

01:23:46.000 So I'm not mad at you.

01:23:48.000 It obviously worked out for me.

01:23:49.000 I'm here.

01:23:50.000 I'm alive.

01:23:50.000 I'm healthy.

01:23:51.000 I have you.

01:23:51.000 So it's going to be okay.

01:23:53.000 So no one's going to not love you if you make a mistake.

01:23:56.000 It's totally a part of being a person.

01:23:58.000 There's no way to navigate this life without making mistakes.

01:24:01.000 So by having those kind of conversations with them, I think I alleviate at least some of the anxiety.

01:24:07.000 Because kids are always worried about how you feel, about what they've done.

01:24:11.000 They don't want you to be upset at them.

01:24:13.000 They don't want you to be...

01:24:14.000 And I always like...

01:24:15.000 Even if you do something bad...

01:24:16.000 I still love you.

01:24:17.000 It's just part of life. 0.99

01:24:19.000 I'd fuck up still as an adult, as a 49-year-old man. 1.00

01:24:23.000 I still make stupid fucking mistakes. 1.00

01:24:24.000 And in the end, it doesn't even matter. 1.00

01:24:26.000 It doesn't matter. 1.00

01:24:27.000 It's just shit you can get past. 0.99

01:24:29.000 It's all good. 1.00

01:24:30.000 It's all good.

01:24:31.000 Chill out, people.

01:24:32.000 Exactly.

01:24:32.000 But it's hard to...

01:24:33.000 Well, you know what?

01:24:34.000 That's another thing, that being in the woods and being in the wild... 0.99

01:24:38.000 Like, when you see a fucking 11-foot-tall grizzly bear sleeping on an elk carcass and you're by yourself... 0.99

01:24:44.000 Boy, does insults about a haircut seem fucking trivial. 0.99

01:24:49.000 Exactly! 1.00

01:24:50.000 Eight-year-olds getting mad at each other on a playground seems so fucking stupid. 1.00

01:24:54.000 Like, look at this thing! 1.00

01:24:55.000 This thing could eat me.

01:24:56.000 Yeah.

01:24:57.000 Yeah, isn't that funny?

01:24:58.000 It is funny.

01:24:59.000 I think, I mean, again, like you were saying about how being in the woods and then coming back here, like, wow, I could just hit a switch.

01:25:04.000 I think, you know, having that perspective and being out in the wild, it's one more thing that gives you this sort of greater picture of how bizarre and amazing life really is.

01:25:18.000 Yeah.

01:25:18.000 Do you have this saying, no use crying over spilt milk?

01:25:20.000 Yeah, we have that.

01:25:22.000 I think we invented it.

01:25:23.000 I think you guys borrowed it.

01:25:24.000 I think we invented it, along with Wi-Fi.

01:25:26.000 You guys invented Wi-Fi?

01:25:27.000 I can't believe that.

01:25:29.000 One guy, he's probably American, he was an expat, probably went over there and claimed Australia.

01:25:33.000 He's probably hiding from his taxes.

01:25:35.000 Well, like, I just live by, there's no use crying over spilt milk.

01:25:39.000 Like, if something's happened, like, if there's even something stressful...

01:25:42.000 It's done now.

01:25:43.000 Let's just deal with it because it's done now.

01:25:45.000 There's no use carrying on about it.

01:25:46.000 Right.

01:25:47.000 It doesn't make anything any better to get upset about it.

01:25:49.000 It doesn't.

01:25:49.000 It's just like, let's just deal with the situation.

01:25:51.000 Let's just get beyond it.

01:25:53.000 But it's so common to be upset about it and everybody else does it and it becomes a pattern.

01:25:57.000 You see it and, you know, I mean, I'm guilty of it myself. 0.99

01:26:00.000 I've gotten upset about stupid shit before too, but sometimes it's just a perspective thing. 0.99

01:26:04.000 And also sometimes it's a busy thing. 0.99

01:26:06.000 Like sometimes you become, I'm guilty of this.

01:26:09.000 I do too many things.

01:26:11.000 Yeah.

01:26:11.000 And in doing too many things, sometimes I get my stress level too high, like my base stress level.

01:26:18.000 It's like there's too many things I'm managing all at once, and then I could be irritable.

01:26:22.000 A lot of stuff that I shouldn't be irritable about.

01:26:24.000 Kim's the same.

01:26:25.000 Kim's got a little business, Pretty Little Party Co. 1.00

01:26:28.000 And she gets so busy, she'll get caught up with it that she'll get to the point and she's like, Fuck, I've just got to slow down. 0.99

01:26:35.000 I've got to do less. 0.96

01:26:36.000 I've got to do less so I can actually fit in more things, but more things that I enjoy.

01:26:41.000 Yeah.

01:26:42.000 But at least she's got that outlook.

01:26:44.000 At least she gets to that point and she's like, yeah, okay, I'm getting too busy.

01:26:48.000 I'm actually losing quality time with whatever in life that she enjoys.

01:26:53.000 Yeah.

01:26:54.000 I used to be the same at the business because I'd put in these crazy hours with the business.

01:26:58.000 I practically built the business so it could support itself and I can walk away and go bow hunting.

01:27:04.000 But to get to that point, I put in a few years of just...

01:27:07.000 I'd be up until 1 o'clock in the morning doing things for the business and trying to keep it growing and then...

01:27:14.000 How big do you want it? 0.98

01:27:15.000 Because the more shit you have in life, business, all those sorts of things, the less time you actually have in life to do the things that you want, right? 0.98

01:27:26.000 So I got to the point and I'm like, well, I don't really want the business to be any bigger than it is now unless I get in some other managers and things like that. 0.99

01:27:34.000 And it's just finding that point, okay, stop, because you're really not enjoying life anymore.

01:27:39.000 Let's just roll it back a little bit.

01:27:41.000 Yeah, I've done that more this year.

01:27:44.000 I used to do all the UFC pay-per-views, and I used to do the Fox events too, and I cut it back to only North American pay-per-views, no more Fox events.

01:27:53.000 I cut it in half.

01:27:54.000 They can blame bowhunting.

01:27:55.000 Yeah.

01:27:56.000 Because you found bowhunting.

01:27:57.000 That's part of the problem. 0.99

01:27:58.000 Shit, I need more time for bowhunting. 1.00

01:28:00.000 That's part of the problem. 0.99

01:28:01.000 I was telling you on the way over here that I really think I need to do a bowhunting TV show just so I can have an excuse.

01:28:07.000 To go more, so I don't...

01:28:09.000 Listen, honey, I gotta go to work.

01:28:11.000 Just make it up.

01:28:12.000 And it's in Australia, dude.

01:28:14.000 You gotta come in and hunt with me.

01:28:15.000 You can only see it online in China, but it's gonna be huge.

01:28:21.000 I don't know, man.

01:28:23.000 There's definitely a line that you cross between not doing enough and then doing the right amount and then doing too much and knowing how to pull it back.

01:28:32.000 It's hard to pull things back, though.

01:28:34.000 Yeah.

01:28:34.000 Most people, they feel like if they're not moving forward, they're moving backward.

01:28:39.000 If they're not doing more, they're doing less.

01:28:41.000 Yeah, that's a human condition, isn't it?

01:28:44.000 Well, it's part of this, you know, go-get-em society, especially in America.

01:28:48.000 I mean, I don't know exactly what the attitude is over in Australia.

01:28:52.000 No, it's exactly the same.

01:28:54.000 It's different with different people, but I'll have an hour at home.

01:28:57.000 It doesn't even have to be something I want to do.

01:28:59.000 I can be doing housework on the house or doing something at work.

01:29:03.000 It doesn't even have to be something that I actually want to do.

01:29:06.000 But if I'm not doing something for an hour, I am bored shitless, dude.

01:29:10.000 Like, hide the knives. 0.98

01:29:12.000 I'm going to cut my wrist. 0.99

01:29:13.000 Like, bored shitless. 0.99

01:29:15.000 Like, I need to be doing something.

01:29:16.000 And like I said, it doesn't even have to be something I want to do, but I have to have something to do.

01:29:20.000 One of the things that I've realized how to do or learned how to do over the last few years is go on an actual vacation.

01:29:26.000 Where I go and I can just sit on the beach and drink margaritas and put my feet up and play with my kids.

01:29:33.000 No!

01:29:33.000 I can't!

01:29:34.000 I go fishing, though!

01:29:36.000 Well...

01:29:38.000 We were organizing a trip recently to Hawaii, and I was saying, well, if you go to Lanai, I can hunt axes deer.

01:29:45.000 Exactly.

01:29:45.000 Hook up with Shane.

01:29:46.000 The problem is I'll be up at 6 o'clock in the morning.

01:29:48.000 I won't see my family.

01:29:49.000 There's no break there at all.

01:29:50.000 It's not a vacation.

01:29:53.000 It won't be a vacation.

01:29:54.000 But fishing is easy, and they like it.

01:29:57.000 My kids like it.

01:29:58.000 It's fun.

01:29:59.000 Bring your kids to Australia, too.

01:30:01.000 They'll take you out on some mad fishing at work.

01:30:03.000 Australia is a strange place, man.

01:30:05.000 It's a strange place because it's a 16-hour flight away.

01:30:08.000 Well, it's that too. 0.99

01:30:09.000 But it's also a strange place in that what they've done in America with reintroducing wolves, what they've done in Australia, what I think is really bizarre, is feral cats and foxes to deal with some of the- That shit never works. 0.70

01:30:27.000 So they brought rabbits out to feed one of the early colonies within Australia. 0.92

01:30:33.000 Because that was for the people.

01:30:34.000 The rabbits were for the people. 0.96

01:30:35.000 That's why they brought them in.

01:30:37.000 Food source.

01:30:37.000 Well, all the animals in Australia, particularly New Zealand, all the game animals, all of them have been introduced from somewhere else.

01:30:43.000 That's correct.

01:30:44.000 So the deer species are all gifts from royalty along the way.

01:30:48.000 And then you've got other species that weren't gifts at all.

01:30:51.000 We just brought them in because we thought it was going to benefit Australia.

01:30:54.000 But most of them, if not all of them, done the complete opposite.

01:30:57.000 So they brought in the fox to look after the rabbit. 0.99

01:31:00.000 Well, there's so much other shit that the fox would just prefer to eat that's easier than catching a rabbit. 0.99

01:31:04.000 They just hate that. 0.99

01:31:05.000 And it's our...

01:31:09.000 It's like the species that lives in Australia.

01:31:12.000 It's not like, oh, it's something else we want to get rid of.

01:31:15.000 No, it's something else we wanted to keep because they're natives.

01:31:18.000 Like ground nesting birds and things like that.

01:31:20.000 You name it.

01:31:21.000 And then you spend enough time out in the woods and you'll see just about the craziest things.

01:31:27.000 And we've seen feral cats now because the birds started nesting out on lakes, on old trees that were growing in the lake.

01:31:33.000 They'd be safe there, right?

01:31:34.000 Yeah.

01:31:35.000 No, the feral cats were swimming across the lake at night.

01:31:38.000 We're actually seeing this.

01:31:40.000 Swimming?

01:31:40.000 Under light.

01:31:41.000 Swimming across the lake at night.

01:31:42.000 Climbing these birds that are nested in the trees out on the lake and snatching the chicks and the bird.

01:31:48.000 Just devastating to our population of wildlife. 0.99

01:31:51.000 I've never heard of a fucking feral cat swimming in a lake. 1.00

01:31:54.000 Crazy, dude. 1.00

01:31:55.000 So they just figured out how to do it? 0.98

01:31:57.000 No, they just figured out how to do it.

01:32:00.000 Me and my buddies were out there all bombing them up.

01:32:03.000 There's the point right there.

01:32:05.000 The right thing to do is get in and cull those cats out to that sort of point. 0.98

01:32:11.000 Well, that was what I was going to bring up, because when I was in Australia, you gave me some of your Australian bowhunting magazines, and there's fucking pictures of dudes posing with cats. 0.98

01:32:19.000 They've got a dead cat! 0.98

01:32:21.000 That's a proud moment for a hunter, because of how devastating they are.

01:32:25.000 I understand.

01:32:26.000 I get it.

01:32:27.000 The same way coyotes are here in the Midwest.

01:32:29.000 I've got a cat at home.

01:32:30.000 I'm not lining it up.

01:32:31.000 I'm not thinking about shooting me a cat at home.

01:32:32.000 That's different.

01:32:33.000 It's a cat that's got a collar on and it's got a bell on and it stays at the house.

01:32:37.000 But isn't that bizarre? 0.87

01:32:39.000 You love that cat, but another cat, you'll shoot it right to those. 0.99

01:32:42.000 Feral dogs. 0.92

01:32:42.000 You've got dingoes and you've got feral dogs. 0.92

01:32:45.000 And feral dogs are just a domestic dog that's gone wild.

01:32:50.000 And they're the same. 0.68

01:32:51.000 They'll frill kill.

01:32:52.000 They're devastating to our population of wildlife.

01:32:58.000 Wombats take a good hit.

01:33:00.000 Echidnas will get harassed.

01:33:01.000 Have you ever seen an echidna?

01:33:02.000 Echidna?

01:33:03.000 Yeah, echidna.

01:33:04.000 What is it?

01:33:05.000 It's like a porcupine.

01:33:07.000 But he's cooler.

01:33:08.000 All of our wildlife, he's cooler than your wildlife.

01:33:09.000 How dare you?

01:33:12.000 You don't have wolves.

01:33:13.000 You don't even have wolves.

01:33:14.000 We've got dingoes.

01:33:15.000 A dingo would eat a wolf whole.

01:33:16.000 Oh, how dare you?

01:33:18.000 That's so not true.

01:33:19.000 How big is a dingo?

01:33:21.000 Not as big as a wolf. 0.99

01:33:22.000 How the fuck is that going to work out? 0.99

01:33:24.000 I'm bullshitting you. 0.99

01:33:26.000 But it's crazy, because you guys are so scared of coming out to Australia. 0.98

01:33:29.000 You've got snakes and spiders, and I'm in the bush here for one day, and there's a giant friggin' grizzly bear, like, at my tent.

01:33:35.000 And I'm like, I'll take the spiders and snakes, please.

01:33:39.000 Do you think a grizzly bear's scarier than a croc?

01:33:41.000 Nah.

01:33:42.000 Crocs are just a cold-hearted killer. 1.00

01:33:46.000 If you went in the water near any crocodile, it'd come and have a crack at you. 0.90

01:33:51.000 If you went near any bear, I reckon about 50% of them, 40% of them might attack you.

01:33:57.000 It might even be less than that.

01:33:58.000 Where it just seems like a crocodile is so stuck in the Jurassic period that anything that comes to that water is just going to get chomped.

01:34:06.000 I'll tell you a quick little story.

01:34:07.000 So I'm in Arnhem Land last year.

01:34:09.000 Arnhem Land is like Northern Territory of Australia.

01:34:11.000 How do you say it?

01:34:11.000 Arnhem Land?

01:34:12.000 Arnhem Land.

01:34:13.000 Arnhem?

01:34:13.000 Arnhem.

01:34:14.000 How are you spelling that?

01:34:16.000 It's A-R-M-H-E-H. H is how you say H? Yeah. 1.00

01:34:22.000 H? H? H? Like this thing?

01:34:25.000 Yeah.

01:34:26.000 H. We say H. You say H? H. You guys put an A in there.

01:34:30.000 Probably not us guys, just me.

01:34:31.000 That's it.

01:34:32.000 Arnhem.

01:34:33.000 Arnhem.

01:34:36.000 Arnhem.

01:34:36.000 Arnhem Land.

01:34:38.000 Okay, it's a vast wilderness area.

01:34:39.000 It sure is.

01:34:41.000 That's God's land right there.

01:34:43.000 Beautiful.

01:34:43.000 Paradise.

01:34:45.000 Paradise for an outdoorsman.

01:34:47.000 Is it?

01:34:47.000 Hell.

01:34:48.000 Absolutely hell for any city slicker.

01:34:50.000 It is out there.

01:34:51.000 Mosquitoes, crocodiles, buffalo.

01:34:54.000 God, that picture is amazing.

01:34:55.000 Yeah, it is a spectacular place and virtually untouched.

01:34:59.000 So that's very appealing.

01:35:00.000 Wow.

01:35:00.000 That's the crazy thing about Australia is the population.

01:35:03.000 That you guys have essentially the population of Los Angeles in a place as big as the continental United States.

01:35:10.000 Yeah, thank Christ for that.

01:35:11.000 Yeah, it's nice.

01:35:12.000 Yeah, it is nice.

01:35:13.000 Even when we went to, like, you go to a nice city like Melbourne, like, God, it's beautiful.

01:35:18.000 Yeah, that's like a little country town for you guys.

01:35:20.000 Yeah, oh it is.

01:35:22.000 It's like Boulder, Colorado.

01:35:23.000 And we're like, get us out of here.

01:35:24.000 There's too much traffic.

01:35:25.000 So you're in Arnhem Land and what happened?

01:35:28.000 I'm in Arnhem Land and I shoot this massive big boar pig and it runs down.

01:35:33.000 So I shot it and it just ran down.

01:35:35.000 It was just on the edge of the water and it's fading, like it's seconds away from dying.

01:35:40.000 And I walk over there and as I walk over there, I sort of sit down and just give the animal its peace.

01:35:46.000 You know, I don't want to give it an adrenaline rush or anything like that because it could take longer for it to die.

01:35:50.000 So I just sit down quietly and...

01:35:54.000 Snap.

01:35:55.000 Massive big saltwater crocodile just lunges out of the water and grabs his pig and starts swimming it out across this river.

01:36:01.000 Whoa.

01:36:02.000 I was seconds away from walking down there and essentially dragging that pig back up the bank a bit so I could get photos. 1.00

01:36:10.000 That croc was sitting right there.

01:36:12.000 Like, within seconds, that crocodile was sitting on the edge of the bank or just under the water where it could grab that pig.

01:36:18.000 Wow.

01:36:18.000 That's how quick it can happen.

01:36:20.000 People walk down and go, I'll just be quick.

01:36:22.000 I'm just going to wash my face really quick.

01:36:23.000 It's always hot there.

01:36:24.000 So the most appealing thing in the heat is like you see water and it's like, oh, water.

01:36:29.000 Go down there, I'm just going to splash a bit of water over my face and arms.

01:36:31.000 It'll be real quick.

01:36:32.000 Gone.

01:36:33.000 And they go for anything.

01:36:34.000 Yeah, they go for anything.

01:36:35.000 They don't have a reluctance to kill people at all.

01:36:38.000 Definitely not.

01:36:42.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:36:43.000 Look at this.

01:36:43.000 Got an elephant by the nose.

01:36:45.000 Well, that's not a stray. 0.74

01:36:46.000 There's a bloody elephant there. 0.67

01:36:47.000 Yeah, that's a Nile croc. 1.00

01:36:49.000 There goes your pay rise, Jamie.

01:36:51.000 It's still a crocodile.

01:36:53.000 Aren't they the same animals?

01:36:54.000 Nah, yeah. 1.00

01:36:55.000 What's the difference between the crocodiles in Australia and those fuckers? 1.00

01:36:58.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:36:59.000 Those fuckers are in Florida now. 1.00

01:37:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:37:02.000 Assholes in Florida. 1.00

01:37:03.000 Florida is just overrun with assholes. 1.00

01:37:05.000 Not everybody. 1.00

01:37:06.000 If you're listening in Florida and you're a nice person, I appreciate it.

01:37:11.000 Steve Owen, legend.

01:37:12.000 Yeah.

01:37:13.000 The crocodiles in the Nile crocodiles have been introduced to Florida. 0.99

01:37:19.000 Assholes have just released them into the Everglades. 0.98

01:37:21.000 No, it's not. 1.00

01:37:22.000 They have a shoot to kill. 0.98

01:37:23.000 No, it's not. 0.98

01:37:23.000 I'm being sarcastic. 0.98

01:37:24.000 I know.

01:37:24.000 I know you are.

01:37:25.000 I was being sarcastic back then.

01:37:27.000 They have a shoot-on-sight order.

01:37:30.000 Really?

01:37:30.000 If you see a Nile crocodile, you're supposed to kill it on sight because they're terrified of them developing a sustainable population.

01:37:36.000 Because the crocodiles they have, the native crocodiles in Florida, are small, but they're very aggressive.

01:37:40.000 They're way more aggressive than alligators, but they're smaller. 0.99

01:37:44.000 But now they have these fucking Nile crocs. 0.99

01:37:46.000 That's just absolute savage and just swallow a person whole. 0.99

01:37:49.000 And you're talking about the Everglades, which is just overrun with things for them to eat.

01:37:53.000 So there's a high likelihood of them achieving a large size.

01:37:57.000 Where did they get that idea from? 1.00

01:37:59.000 They're assholes. 1.00

01:38:00.000 People have them as pets. 1.00

01:38:01.000 The same thing as pythons.

01:38:02.000 You know the python situation in Florida?

01:38:04.000 Yeah, so people have had them as pets and then released them into the wild?

01:38:07.000 Yep.

01:38:07.000 Is that how they got there?

01:38:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:38:08.000 They get too big and they go, fuck this man. 1.00

01:38:11.000 I'm going to let it go. 1.00

01:38:13.000 Hey, you little crocodile! 0.74

01:38:15.000 Go out and enjoy the wild! 1.00

01:38:17.000 And they think they're doing the right thing by releasing this thing into the fucking swamps. 1.00

01:38:20.000 Oh, that's hellish. 0.99

01:38:21.000 Well, they have a breeding population now. 1.00

01:38:23.000 They have a breeding population of Nile crocodiles in fucking Florida. 0.99

01:38:27.000 Yeah, so back to the Australian introduced species. 1.00

01:38:30.000 Like, it didn't stop at foxes.

01:38:32.000 They kept making these mistakes.

01:38:33.000 You know the cane toads?

01:38:34.000 We have a lot of trouble with the cane toads now.

01:38:36.000 Cane toads?

01:38:37.000 Cane toad.

01:38:37.000 What's a cane toad?

01:38:38.000 Oh, they've virtually overtaken Australia.

01:38:40.000 They're going to have their own businesses and run for parliament and everything eventually.

01:38:44.000 What are they? 0.97

01:38:45.000 They're like a big toad.

01:38:47.000 You're opening your hands like a pizza.

01:38:50.000 Oh, not a pizza.

01:38:51.000 Oh my god!

01:38:52.000 There's a cane toad.

01:38:53.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:38:54.000 That thing's huge!

01:38:55.000 It's like a bunny rabbit!

01:38:56.000 They've got these glands on their back and it's got a poisonous toxin in it. 0.99

01:38:59.000 Oh, that's great.

01:39:00.000 And so our bird wildlife, our snakes, I know you hate snakes, but snakes are protected in Australia, by the way.

01:39:06.000 You can't just go and kill a snake when you want.

01:39:08.000 And they've still got their place there, 100%.

01:39:10.000 Snakes have got their place in Australia.

01:39:12.000 The snakes eat them, and these poisonous toxins will kill out the snakes, they'll kill out bird life.

01:39:18.000 They're just horrific.

01:39:20.000 Jesus Christ, look at the size of these things.

01:39:22.000 So why did they bring in the toads?

01:39:23.000 Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure they brought them in to fight off a cane beetle that was eating our cane crops.

01:39:29.000 And there's that many other bugs in that that the cane tail would have been like, yeah, I'll just eat what I want. 1.00

01:39:34.000 What a stupid thing. 1.00

01:39:36.000 Can't we learn? 1.00

01:39:37.000 Well, people are very, very infantile with the perspective on the ecosystem.

01:39:43.000 Like the idea that you could just, oh, we've got a little problem here.

01:39:46.000 There's a little opening.

01:39:47.000 I'll stick a slot in there, just shove a predator in there, and it'll fill that opening. 1.00

01:39:52.000 They didn't consider all Cane toads are great stowaways and can be easily transported in your goods and luggage.

01:40:10.000 When you are packing up to leave from an area where cane toads are present, it is important to thoroughly check that you are not accidentally carrying a cane toad.

01:40:19.000 Yeah, they're not a good thing.

01:40:21.000 Tasmanian tiger?

01:40:22.000 Yeah.

01:40:23.000 Have you heard of the Tasmanian tiger?

01:40:24.000 Yeah.

01:40:24.000 Yeah, it's like extinct now, right?

01:40:26.000 Yeah.

01:40:26.000 But they've got the DNA from one.

01:40:27.000 If they're going to reintroduce something, let's do it.

01:40:30.000 Are they going to reintroduce one?

01:40:32.000 No, they won't.

01:40:32.000 They have the DNA from them?

01:40:33.000 They won't, but they should.

01:40:34.000 Now, if they had wanted to introduce that, if they wanted to take the DNA from a Tasmanian tiger and reintroduce it, wouldn't they have to have something that was like a similar animal and reintroduce it?

01:40:45.000 Possibly.

01:40:46.000 I don't know how it works.

01:40:47.000 I think I got that from Jurassic Park.

01:40:49.000 Probably.

01:40:50.000 That's true, though.

01:40:51.000 I think that's how they do it.

01:40:52.000 Well, isn't that what they said they were going to do with the woolly mammoth?

01:40:55.000 Like, there was this Russian scientist that were thinking about reintroducing the woolly mammoth, and they were going to use the DNA from a woolly mammoth from some, you know, fossilized something or another, and they were going to combine it with the DNA from a regular elephant.

01:41:09.000 Okay.

01:41:10.000 I think.

01:41:11.000 That'd be interesting.

01:41:11.000 I think in some cases like that, you know, not trying to be God or anything, but that should happen.

01:41:17.000 It's a good thing, right?

01:41:18.000 I don't know.

01:41:19.000 I think it's only extinct because of human interactions.

01:41:22.000 Right.

01:41:23.000 So, I don't know.

01:41:26.000 I don't know either, but 90% of everything's extinct.

01:41:29.000 90% of everything that's ever lived.

01:41:30.000 It's like, where do you draw the line?

01:41:32.000 Do we bring back dinosaurs?

01:41:33.000 You know, when do we draw the line? 1.00

01:41:34.000 Fuck, that'd be good hunting. 1.00

01:41:35.000 Ooh, T-Rex. 1.00

01:41:36.000 Do we bring back Bigfoot?

01:41:37.000 Yeah.

01:41:38.000 Would you hunt a T-Rex?

01:41:40.000 If there's enough of them.

01:41:41.000 What if they taste good?

01:41:42.000 Imagine that, because alligators taste good.

01:41:44.000 Well, they do, yeah.

01:41:45.000 Have you eaten one?

01:41:46.000 Yep.

01:41:46.000 John Dudley kills them all the time.

01:41:48.000 He eats them. 0.97

01:41:48.000 Yeah, he's a slayer. 0.97

01:41:49.000 He's a slayer.

01:41:50.000 Yeah.

01:41:50.000 He said that their tails, like alligator tail, like the meat from them, is apparently more rich in protein than elk or moose.

01:41:57.000 Really?

01:41:58.000 That's crazy.

01:41:58.000 Should be packing that into the backcountry.

01:42:00.000 It's supposed to be really good for you.

01:42:02.000 Super lean, cook it quick, sear it, little seared alligator.

01:42:07.000 So, our crocodiles back home are protected as well.

01:42:10.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:42:10.000 There's no tag or anything for them.

01:42:12.000 You can't kill a crocodile if you see one?

01:42:13.000 You can't kill a crocodile, no.

01:42:15.000 They relocate them. 0.99

01:42:18.000 Here, go kill something over here, please. 1.00

01:42:20.000 Yeah, the city in the Northern Territory, which is all part of Arnhem Land there, is Darwin City, and the river runs right into the city, and there's crocodiles right in there. 0.56

01:42:31.000 So guys will go out...

01:42:36.000 Oh no.

01:42:54.000 And they release them near where I'm hunting, unfortunately.

01:42:57.000 But they catch these problem bears, and they release them miles away, and then a week later they show back up to the same destination.

01:43:04.000 It's crazy.

01:43:05.000 They know how to get back.

01:43:06.000 They have some sort of internal compass.

01:43:08.000 One of the things about saltwater crocodiles that's so terrifying is a friend of mine was telling me that they were on some sort of a boat, and they were deep out into the ocean, miles out, and they saw a saltwater crocodile swimming out there.

01:43:20.000 And I went, what?

01:43:21.000 Yeah.

01:43:22.000 Like, how far?

01:43:23.000 I think he said he was something like three to five miles away from shore.

01:43:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:43:27.000 And this fucking crocodile is just out there swimming by itself. 1.00

01:43:29.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:43:30.000 Probably going to eat a great white shark or some shit. 1.00

01:43:34.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:43:35.000 It's a goddamn dinosaur. 1.00

01:43:37.000 Look at that thing. 1.00

01:43:38.000 Yeah, that's crazy. 0.99

01:43:39.000 When Cam came out, and we were up in Arnhem Land, and I was telling him about all the dangerous shit, you know, like a crocodile... 0.98

01:43:46.000 You know, there's crocodiles in any bit of water here. 0.97

01:43:48.000 You won't even know and there'll be a crocodile in there.

01:43:51.000 And how buffalo charge you and scrub bulls charge you.

01:43:54.000 And I told him about all the poisonous bushes and everything.

01:43:57.000 And at the end of one day, we got back with like half hour light.

01:44:01.000 And because I didn't pack any food in, we had to catch fish every day or try and shoot something to eat.

01:44:06.000 So we got back half an hour early one afternoon.

01:44:09.000 We're like, we'll go for a quick fish.

01:44:10.000 We've got to catch some fish.

01:44:11.000 You know, we've got to get some food into us.

01:44:14.000 And we walk out and it's stinking hot.

01:44:17.000 It's like 56 degrees Celsius.

01:44:20.000 They're like sweating it out.

01:44:22.000 What is that like Fahrenheit?

01:44:23.000 Is it like 110?

01:44:25.000 That's probably even a bit higher.

01:44:27.000 Really?

01:44:27.000 Yeah.

01:44:28.000 It's hot.

01:44:29.000 And I'm like, oh, we might be able to swim in one of the rock pools.

01:44:32.000 You don't want to swim out in the ocean because one of them crocs is going to grab you.

01:44:35.000 122. Jesus Christ.

01:44:36.000 50 is 122. What's 56?

01:44:39.000 Oh my God.

01:44:40.000 Jack it up, baby.

01:44:42.000 Oh Jesus, 132?

01:44:44.000 Yeah, walk in the park.

01:44:45.000 132 degrees temperature.

01:44:46.000 That's why we're drinking buffalo piss because you had to keep hydrated or die.

01:45:00.000 Wow.

01:45:19.000 And anyway, so we're going out and there's a rock pool.

01:45:21.000 I'm like, well, we'll be safe to swim in that rock pool.

01:45:23.000 And the tide had gone out.

01:45:24.000 We've got big tides, like seven metre tides, you know, they come in and out every day.

01:45:28.000 And the tide had been in and when it had gone out, it left a bunch of box jellyfish in that little pool.

01:45:35.000 Then the ocean itself where we're fishing in, you wouldn't be able to dip your hand in the water without getting stung by box jellyfish.

01:45:41.000 And box jellyfish will kill you. 0.99

01:45:42.000 Oh, you're dead, dude. 0.98

01:45:44.000 That was a four and a half hour chopper flight out to get there because we did it in the wet season. 0.91

01:45:49.000 You couldn't drive any of the roads.

01:45:51.000 I had to hire a helicopter to get us out there.

01:45:53.000 So it would have been four and a half hours for a helicopter to come in and then four and a half hours back to the hospital.

01:45:59.000 You're dead in that time.

01:46:00.000 You're dead in the first hour.

01:46:02.000 Like, it's, yeah, you've got to have your wits about you in that sort of country, for sure.

01:46:07.000 So, barks, jellyfish, what do they look like?

01:46:10.000 They're unusual?

01:46:11.000 They're tiny, they're nearly clear. 0.99

01:46:12.000 They're like, yeah, look at that shit. 1.00

01:46:15.000 And that'll kill you instantly. 1.00

01:46:16.000 And that's the one thing I didn't tell Cam about. 0.99

01:46:18.000 And we get out to the rocks and I'm like, all the crazy shit that I've told you, dude, that's what would have killed us here. 0.93

01:46:25.000 If we jumped in the water, like, oh, let's just jump in for a quick dip. 0.96

01:46:30.000 Wow. 1.00

01:46:31.000 Who's that mad bastard? 1.00

01:46:32.000 That's that crazy fucker from River Monsters. 1.00

01:46:34.000 Wow, look at that one that got that guy's leg. 1.00

01:46:36.000 Go back to that leg picture, Jamie.

01:46:39.000 Go full screen on that. 1.00

01:46:41.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:46:43.000 That's a sick tattoo. 1.00

01:46:44.000 Yeah, well, I think you keep that for life, probably, right?

01:46:47.000 Did that person just get close enough to the...

01:46:49.000 Never go near the water again.

01:46:51.000 Is it like an anti-venom?

01:46:52.000 Oh, is that a baby? 0.99

01:46:53.000 Oh, god damn. 1.00

01:46:55.000 One-year-old? 1.00

01:46:56.000 Oh! 0.60

01:46:58.000 Oh my god.

01:46:59.000 Will Smith was in a movie, remember, and he's gonna donate his organs at the end of the movie and that's how he commits suicide. 0.81

01:47:07.000 He's gonna jump in a bath with box jellyfish. 0.99

01:47:10.000 What fucking movie was that? 1.00

01:47:11.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:47:12.000 I Am Legend? 0.99

01:47:15.000 That's the scariest shit than I Am Legend. 0.99

01:47:17.000 Yeah, it is kind of. 0.99

01:47:18.000 I mean, there's so many monsters that exist.

01:47:20.000 Seven Pounds?

01:47:21.000 Seven Pounds.

01:47:23.000 What is that movie about?

01:47:24.000 I think that's the one with the kid.

01:47:27.000 The kid?

01:47:29.000 Isn't that the one where he's poor?

01:47:31.000 Like he becomes a successful person? 1.00

01:47:34.000 Oh, I don't want to see that shit. 1.00

01:47:36.000 Oh, get that fucking thing away from me. 1.00

01:47:38.000 Oh, he actually does kill himself? 1.00

01:47:41.000 So he actually does?

01:47:42.000 And he tips the box jellyfish in the water with him now.

01:47:44.000 Oh, get out of here. 1.00

01:47:45.000 I don't want to see this shit. 1.00

01:47:46.000 Yes, you do. 1.00

01:47:47.000 You're coming out. 1.00

01:47:48.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:47:50.000 That's a movie he dies with box jellyfish. 1.00

01:47:52.000 That's a retarded way to die. 1.00

01:47:53.000 There it is. 0.99

01:47:54.000 Nice. 0.99

01:47:55.000 Oh, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:47:56.000 They're not even that big. 1.00

01:47:57.000 Get that out of here, Jamie. 0.95

01:47:58.000 I don't want to say it!

01:47:59.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:48:01.000 Anyway, when you come out, I won't take you to the ocean.

01:48:03.000 Why are there so many things that kill you? 1.00

01:48:04.000 Well, you take them to the ocean, then the fucking sharks get you. 0.99

01:48:06.000 You know why there's so many things that kill you? 1.00

01:48:07.000 Because people weren't supposed to live in Australia. 0.98

01:48:10.000 It's true. 0.54

01:48:10.000 That's what I always think about work, because it's so friggin' hot. 0.54

01:48:13.000 It's so desolate that it's like, it just wasn't designed for people, this part of the Earth.

01:48:18.000 No.

01:48:19.000 That's how I think.

01:48:20.000 Well, people didn't live then, so they didn't balance it out.

01:48:22.000 It's some of the oldest Earth.

01:48:24.000 On earth.

01:48:25.000 Actually, I shouldn't say people didn't live there. 0.95

01:48:27.000 Western dummies like you and I. White people. 0.98

01:48:31.000 We definitely didn't.

01:48:32.000 The indigenous people that lived there.

01:48:33.000 They did.

01:48:34.000 They lived on the mainland.

01:48:36.000 There's actually some really interesting areas up there.

01:48:39.000 It's called the Dampier Archipelago in the Pilbara region of Western Australia.

01:48:44.000 There's over 70,000 rock art in the area.

01:48:49.000 They still don't know the significance of it, but 70,000 Rock arts in that area.

01:48:54.000 Wow.

01:48:56.000 Kangaroos, sea turtles, creatures that don't even exist anymore.

01:48:59.000 When you look at the picture, you're like, was that a real animal they were drawing? 0.99

01:49:02.000 Or were they just like, ah, I'm just going to fuck around here. 0.98

01:49:04.000 So they don't even know whether or not it was a real thing? 0.94

01:49:06.000 Because it doesn't exist anymore?

01:49:07.000 Doesn't exist anymore.

01:49:08.000 Wow.

01:49:09.000 Yeah.

01:49:10.000 Well, the kangaroo thing, we were talking about that before the podcast, and we said we're going to show this video.

01:49:15.000 I did not know that kangaroos were protected...

01:49:19.000 Like, you can't just shoot kangaroos over there.

01:49:21.000 All of our native animals, you can't hunt any of our native animals in Australia.

01:49:24.000 Everything we can hunt, there's 27 or 28 species, are all introduced.

01:49:29.000 They're an invasive species, like a feral pest.

01:49:32.000 That's why we're allowed to hunt them.

01:49:34.000 It's not like the American system where you're hunting your natives, like your whitetail and elk and everything like that.

01:49:41.000 And that's why we don't have a tag season, or we don't have any seasons at all.

01:49:46.000 In New South Wales, they've just introduced a season in the last couple of years, and there's one species of deer in Victoria, the lower part of Australia, where you need a tag for.

01:49:59.000 That's it.

01:50:00.000 All those other species you don't need a tag for, and there's no season.

01:50:03.000 What species of deer?

01:50:05.000 Holt deer.

01:50:05.000 Why do you need a tag for those?

01:50:06.000 Oh, there's not a bunch of them, and they're trying to manage them.

01:50:09.000 It's really good what they're doing.

01:50:10.000 They're doing a good job.

01:50:12.000 So, the kangaroo thing.

01:50:14.000 I had no idea that the numbers of kangaroos were as high as they are. 0.97

01:50:19.000 So, you were telling me about this looks like a kangaroo plague, and then Jamie pulled the video up, and this is fucking insane. 0.99

01:50:25.000 Just Google kangaroo plague Australia, and what you see is something from a fucking horror movie. 0.98

01:50:32.000 It looks like thousands of kangaroos. 0.99

01:50:34.000 I mean, I have no idea how many of there are, but they're just running across this field like ants.

01:50:39.000 I bet if they had antlers, they wouldn't. 1.00

01:50:41.000 Jesus Christ.

01:50:42.000 I mean, it is completely insane when you look at that video.

01:50:45.000 I have no idea.

01:50:47.000 Yeah, so...

01:50:48.000 That's crazy!

01:50:49.000 It's like I was saying, the same people that are like, you can't cull the kangaroos, you know, you can't hunt the kangaroos, you can't shoot the kangaroos.

01:50:55.000 Well, kangaroos are a deer species, right?

01:50:58.000 Right.

01:50:59.000 I don't think so.

01:51:00.000 I think they're like a marsupial cousin of a deer.

01:51:03.000 Okay.

01:51:04.000 I think.

01:51:05.000 I think they even taste like deer.

01:51:07.000 They taste good.

01:51:08.000 Do they?

01:51:08.000 Really rich red meat.

01:51:10.000 Super, super lean.

01:51:11.000 A lot of the bodybuilders and stuff like that love kangaroo meat.

01:51:15.000 When did kangaroos start getting yoked up?

01:51:18.000 Have they always had big muscles?

01:51:19.000 They've always had big muscles.

01:51:20.000 We didn't see that in America until recently.

01:51:22.000 Did ya?

01:51:22.000 Really?

01:51:23.000 The internet over the last few years has showed us kangaroos choking each other. 1.00

01:51:28.000 They're doing weights and shit. 0.99

01:51:30.000 That's what it looks like. 1.00

01:51:31.000 They're fucking giant. 1.00

01:51:32.000 There's a video of those two kangaroos fighting and one kangaroo chokes the other one unconscious. 1.00

01:51:36.000 Look at that kangaroo.

01:51:37.000 That's normal.

01:51:39.000 Like, come on, man.

01:51:40.000 That's incredible.

01:51:40.000 We never saw kangaroos like that when I was a kid.

01:51:43.000 So that looks like a big red kangaroo, though.

01:51:46.000 Well, the red ones are the biggest ones, right?

01:51:48.000 Yeah, they're huge.

01:51:50.000 My friend Eddie Ift was in Australia.

01:51:52.000 He's done a bunch of stand-up out there.

01:51:53.000 And he was out there with some Australians.

01:51:55.000 And I forget what the story... 1.00

01:51:57.000 Fucking that doesn't even look real man. 0.99

01:52:00.000 That does not look real. 1.00

01:52:01.000 Bitch you wanna arm wrestle? 1.00

01:52:03.000 Oh fuck that man. 1.00

01:52:04.000 So that was what what happened with Eddie. 1.00

01:52:06.000 He got out of the car for some reason and he saw this kangaroo and he thought it was a statue because it was so big and He thought it wasn't real.

01:52:16.000 He said it was like seven feet tall. 0.98

01:52:18.000 He was like, there's no fucking way this is a real kangaroo. 0.98

01:52:20.000 He literally thought it was a statue because it was sitting there. 1.00

01:52:22.000 And his friend starts screaming, get back in the fucking car! 0.99

01:52:27.000 And the thing turns around and looks at him. 0.99

01:52:29.000 And then he realized that this giant thing in front of him was an actual kangaroo.

01:52:33.000 And apparently they're very aggressive.

01:52:34.000 Oh, if they're corners or they feel threatened, they'll...

01:52:37.000 They'll kick your stomach out. 1.00

01:52:38.000 Because what they do is they latch onto you with their claws.

01:52:40.000 They've actually got a real big claw.

01:52:42.000 They've got claws like that. 1.00

01:52:43.000 They'll latch onto you.

01:52:44.000 And then they balance themselves on their tail and they kick with both legs.

01:52:48.000 And they've got like a single toenail that's like...

01:52:51.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:52:53.000 That is insane.

01:52:55.000 That does not look real.

01:52:56.000 And the fact that they can balance that way on their back tail is incredible.

01:53:01.000 Yeah, so they'll balance on their back tails and they'll kick with both their legs and then...

01:53:05.000 Yeah.

01:53:05.000 Look how he's, like, balancing himself.

01:53:07.000 That's so strange.

01:53:08.000 It's such a strange animal.

01:53:11.000 God, that is a bizarre.

01:53:13.000 I hate full flexing.

01:53:14.000 Come on, mate.

01:53:14.000 Come, Dan.

01:53:15.000 200-pound ripped kangaroo crushes metal.

01:53:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:53:21.000 Look at him.

01:53:22.000 He's bending cans. 1.00

01:53:24.000 Look at the arms in this motherfucker! 1.00

01:53:26.000 They're so strange. 1.00

01:53:28.000 They're a cool animal.

01:53:29.000 Oh, they're very cool.

01:53:30.000 If you come up the farm, when you come out to Australia, you'll see kangaroo fights.

01:53:33.000 They do it all day, every day. 0.98

01:53:34.000 They beat the shit out of each other? 0.99

01:53:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:53:36.000 Do they always choke each other out?

01:53:37.000 Nah. 1.00

01:53:37.000 Is this some new shit? 1.00

01:53:38.000 Are they learning how to do this? 0.99

01:53:39.000 Nah, that's pretty weird.

01:53:40.000 Oh, look at that.

01:53:40.000 Turns around.

01:53:43.000 I'll spinning back kick that thing right in the fucking chest. 1.00

01:53:47.000 He wants me to pitch. 1.00

01:53:49.000 Yeah, he's pissed. 0.93

01:53:50.000 I wonder if he could take a leg kick. 1.00

01:53:52.000 I always think if I was going to fuck with a kangaroo, I would just arm drag him and take his back. 1.00

01:53:56.000 I bet if you take his back, he wouldn't know what to do. 1.00

01:53:59.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:54:00.000 Take his back.

01:54:01.000 I don't know.

01:54:02.000 Find out. 0.95

01:54:02.000 Choke him. 0.95

01:54:03.000 We'll test it out when we get there.

01:54:04.000 Need some, like, thick clothing, a Kevlar.

01:54:07.000 Something where you can't cut your guts out.

01:54:10.000 Yeah.

01:54:10.000 Because, you know, it probably won't even go for your face, right?

01:54:12.000 It'll probably go for your guts. 0.98

01:54:13.000 Oh, go for your guts. 0.96

01:54:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:15.000 Kick you in the guts. 1.00

01:54:15.000 If you can protect that, if you can figure out a way to, like, move in on them, juke them, fake them, get them to move, get a hold of one of them paws, arm drag them, I'm going to film it. 1.00

01:54:25.000 I'm filming it for sure.

01:54:27.000 It's going to be awesome.

01:54:28.000 It'll be on the news.

01:54:29.000 Joe Rogan tries to take on a kangaroo today and gets his stomach kicked out.

01:54:32.000 This is how I die.

01:54:35.000 There's a bunch of these videos of these kangaroos choking each other out.

01:54:39.000 I've never seen them choke each other out.

01:54:41.000 Oh, there's a great video, um, these two kangaroos are fighting in, like, a suburban neighborhood, and they're in a street, and one kangaroo, he gets like a, like a, what you would call, like, a vice grip clamp, like, in jiu-jitsu you would use, or wrestling, you would, like, clamp, you, like, you scoop the back of someone's neck like this with one arm,

01:54:58.000 and the other arm comes down, and you clamp down like this, this is it. 0.94

01:55:01.000 And he fucking chokes him to sleep. 0.98

01:55:03.000 This has got to be Canberra, for sure. 0.99

01:55:04.000 See if you can fight, this, I don't think this is it.

01:55:06.000 Oh, they're big boys, they count for it. 0.99

01:55:06.000 They just start kicking each other's asses. 0.99

01:55:08.000 Nice. 1.00

01:55:09.000 But they're in a regular neighborhood, fucking each other up. 0.98

01:55:12.000 But see if you... 1.00

01:55:13.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:55:18.000 You should commentate this shit. 1.00

01:55:19.000 I should, but it's all the standard moves. 0.99

01:55:22.000 It's very Rock'em Sock'em Robots.

01:55:25.000 Look how they snap each other's heads back, too. 0.68

01:55:27.000 Yeah, two good bucks.

01:55:28.000 Yeah, they only go for the guts.

01:55:30.000 Ooh, look at that move, though.

01:55:31.000 I like how they balance on that tail.

01:55:33.000 That is really crazy.

01:55:34.000 See if you can find kangaroo chokes out other kangaroo because he puts them to sleep. 0.72

01:55:40.000 Like, literally gets the clamp down on them and then turns his neck.

01:55:44.000 See, that's another thing we invented in Australia.

01:55:46.000 Choke-outs. 0.98

01:55:47.000 Yeah, choke-outs.

01:55:47.000 I don't think so.

01:55:48.000 Kangaroos did? 0.96

01:55:49.000 People learned from kangaroos?

01:55:50.000 Maybe.

01:55:51.000 Maybe someone actually saw...

01:55:53.000 Maybe that's a new fun school, too.

01:55:54.000 The kangaroo.

01:55:55.000 I bet people didn't know that you could choke people out until they saw someone do it, right?

01:55:58.000 Yeah, here it is.

01:55:59.000 So, they start going at it and one kangaroo...

01:56:04.000 See if you can find out where he does it.

01:56:06.000 Oh yeah, he's going for it.

01:56:08.000 He gets a front headlock. 1.00

01:56:12.000 See, the one kangaroo is kind of being a bitch here. 1.00

01:56:14.000 Here it is. 1.00

01:56:16.000 So he's got the clamp.

01:56:17.000 See?

01:56:18.000 Look at the clamp.

01:56:19.000 He gets a hold of the neck, and he's bending his neck in a really funny way, and he traps the head up against his chest.

01:56:25.000 I mean, this is like a Japanese necktie right here.

01:56:27.000 And he grabs a hold of it, and he's clamping down on it.

01:56:30.000 It's not even like he's paying attention.

01:56:31.000 It's like he's looking for girls.

01:56:32.000 Hey, ladies. 1.00

01:56:34.000 He knows he's got this shit. 1.00

01:56:35.000 Look at him. 1.00

01:56:36.000 I wonder if he's done that before, if that's his move.

01:56:38.000 Yeah, I've got this unlocked, baby.

01:56:40.000 So he clamps down on it and he holds it in place and the kangaroo fights for a little while and then, bam, passes out.

01:56:46.000 That's awesome. 1.00

01:56:47.000 And he's like, what, bitch? 1.00

01:56:49.000 Where's the cheers? 1.00

01:56:50.000 What, bitch? 1.00

01:56:52.000 What a bizarre bodied animal. 1.00

01:56:54.000 There's nothing like them.

01:56:56.000 We're so used to seeing these animals that they don't seem weird to us.

01:57:01.000 But when I think about it, I'm like, these things are on two legs.

01:57:05.000 Yeah.

01:57:05.000 What else is on two legs?

01:57:07.000 Nothing.

01:57:07.000 Have you ever seen a platypus?

01:57:09.000 Well, they kind of go on the front leg.

01:57:10.000 Like, look there.

01:57:12.000 Yeah, when they're just walking along.

01:57:14.000 Have you ever seen a platypus?

01:57:16.000 Not in real life.

01:57:31.000 The wombats are just crazy. 0.72

01:57:32.000 They're all over the farm.

01:57:34.000 You'll see them everywhere when you come out.

01:57:36.000 They just dig these massive big holes and they're the craziest creature you've ever seen. 0.99

01:57:41.000 It's just like a big, big, fat, stumpy rat.

01:57:44.000 I know the name wombat, but honestly, I couldn't pick one out of a lineup. 0.94

01:57:48.000 Really?

01:57:48.000 I don't really know what it looks like.

01:57:50.000 Let's get to that...

01:57:51.000 What is it?

01:57:52.000 Kitchener?

01:57:53.000 What is it?

01:57:53.000 How do you say it?

01:57:54.000 Echidna.

01:57:54.000 Kidna?

01:57:55.000 Kidna.

01:57:56.000 I want to see what a kidna is first. 0.99

01:57:57.000 What's a kidna?

01:57:58.000 It just looks like a porcupine.

01:58:00.000 Oh, it's better than a porcupine, dude.

01:58:03.000 That's all I could find when I looked it up. 1.00

01:58:04.000 Your shit's jacked again. 1.00

01:58:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:58:06.000 They've got this crazy beak. 0.92

01:58:09.000 Only one ear again, Jamie. 0.64

01:58:11.000 It's got a crazy beak.

01:58:13.000 It's got a crazy beak. 0.73

01:58:14.000 It sniffs out like ants in an ant mound.

01:58:17.000 And it'll dig out the ants. 0.66

01:58:19.000 It'll dig out ants in logs. 0.98

01:58:21.000 It sniffs them out.

01:58:22.000 Look at that dude.

01:58:23.000 How crazy is that?

01:58:26.000 Yeah.

01:58:26.000 That's echidna?

01:58:27.000 Yeah.

01:58:28.000 Me and the kids were just, um, there was one on the road the other day.

01:58:31.000 That has a beak? 0.99

01:58:32.000 Yeah, it's got a full beak.

01:58:33.000 That's a beak.

01:58:34.000 Hedgehogs look like that, kind of. 1.00

01:58:36.000 That's better than a hedgehog.

01:58:37.000 That looks like a hedgehog.

01:58:38.000 Definitely better than a hedgehog.

01:58:40.000 What's that thing?

01:58:41.000 Get rid of it.

01:58:42.000 Come on.

01:58:43.000 Well, it's weird.

01:58:44.000 It's like part bird.

01:58:46.000 It's got a beak like a bird. 0.98

01:58:48.000 It's part sick, awesome animal. 0.96

01:58:50.000 Whoa, look at that. 1.00

01:58:51.000 What a fucking bizarre little thing. 0.99

01:58:53.000 So, there was one on the road digging the other day. 0.99

01:58:55.000 Well, the other month now, because I've been away for so long.

01:58:58.000 And me and the kids, whenever we see them on the road, we'll move them off the road.

01:59:02.000 And the kids got out, and you can actually...

01:59:04.000 All those spikes are super sharp, but you can actually touch them because it's taken up so much room on your hand.

01:59:10.000 Like, you know, there's 100 spikes on each hand.

01:59:12.000 You can actually touch them.

01:59:13.000 And we moved this thing off the road, and the kids were even normal about it.

01:59:18.000 They were like, oh, yeah, cool, kidna, you know, because they've seen them 100 times.

01:59:21.000 And I was like, anyone that wasn't from Australia, though, that was seeing this for the first time, this animal with a beak, when I started thinking about it, and these turned back claws, like their claws turned back like that.

01:59:30.000 It's for digging, right?

01:59:32.000 Right.

01:59:33.000 Craziest animal in the world, when you think about it in that sense.

01:59:36.000 You know, if you'd never ever seen one before and you come across it for the first time, you'd be like, whoa, look at this thing.

01:59:40.000 This thing's crazy. 0.99

01:59:41.000 Yeah, it's like a porcupine fucked a duck. 1.00

01:59:43.000 Right? 0.99

01:59:44.000 Doesn't it look like that?

01:59:45.000 Like, kind of?

01:59:45.000 How does he have a beak?

01:59:47.000 That's not a bad way of putting it.

01:59:47.000 Or like a platypus, too.

01:59:49.000 They lay eggs, but they're a mammal.

01:59:51.000 Yeah, and they've got like the big duck beak. 1.00

01:59:53.000 Yeah.

01:59:54.000 It's crazy.

01:59:55.000 But the laying of the eggs is so strange.

01:59:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:58.000 Like, what is that?

01:59:59.000 They've got a poisonous spike as well.

02:00:01.000 They do?

02:00:01.000 Yeah.

02:00:02.000 Where is it?

02:00:03.000 Underneath them. 0.99

02:00:04.000 It might be like an anal spike or something like that. 0.99

02:00:10.000 Interesting. 0.99

02:00:11.000 Not nice.

02:00:11.000 I probably wouldn't want to play around with one.

02:00:13.000 Yeah, don't finger its butt. 1.00

02:00:15.000 The wide variety of animal life is very weird. 0.93

02:00:19.000 It's very weird when you think about how many different things.

02:00:22.000 And then again, what you were talking about, about the introduction of foxes and cats, they all fit into a system.

02:00:28.000 Like, look at that thing.

02:00:29.000 There's a platypus.

02:00:30.000 So it has like this funky, like kind of furry beaver looking tail.

02:00:34.000 It has a duck beak, webbed feet.

02:00:39.000 What?

02:00:40.000 Have you ever eaten beaver?

02:00:42.000 Nah.

02:00:43.000 Had beaver with ranella.

02:00:44.000 It's really good.

02:00:45.000 Really?

02:00:46.000 Yeah, it's delicious, man.

02:00:47.000 It tastes like beef.

02:00:48.000 I don't like the sound of it.

02:00:49.000 I know.

02:00:50.000 I wouldn't either.

02:00:50.000 I wouldn't have normally even thought that you could eat it, but he killed one, and then braised it, and then slow cooked it, and it was like a pot roast with potatoes and carrots.

02:01:03.000 It was delicious.

02:01:05.000 It was so good.

02:01:07.000 I could never eat a beaver.

02:01:09.000 Because remember the dead beavers in bear camp?

02:01:11.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:13.000 It's the thought now.

02:01:15.000 Really?

02:01:15.000 Yeah, I couldn't do it.

02:01:16.000 I could.

02:01:17.000 Unless I was slightly hungry, I'd do it.

02:01:19.000 Yeah, slightly. 0.98

02:01:20.000 I'm telling you, if Steve Rinella cooked you a bowl of this beaver pot roast or whatever the fuck it is that he made, it was amazing. 0.97

02:01:27.000 It was really good. 0.98

02:01:28.000 Oh, it sounds good.

02:01:29.000 It was like a strange beef.

02:01:31.000 A strange beef?

02:01:34.000 Yeah, like you got...

02:01:34.000 You're turning me off again.

02:01:35.000 You had me before.

02:01:36.000 No, it was like a beef from...

02:01:39.000 I was like, alright, no, I'll try.

02:01:40.000 Like, where is this?

02:01:40.000 This is beef from Nicaragua.

02:01:42.000 Oh, interesting.

02:01:43.000 It's got a different flavor to it.

02:01:45.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:45.000 It's like a...

02:01:46.000 It's reminiscent of beef, like a cousin of beef.

02:01:50.000 That's what it tastes like.

02:01:51.000 A cousin of beef?

02:01:52.000 It's very weird.

02:01:53.000 And it's kind of fatty, and it's kind of like tender.

02:01:56.000 Yeah, okay.

02:01:57.000 Well, Steve will have to hook me up on a hard one.

02:01:58.000 I'm telling you, you'd be shocked.

02:02:00.000 Somewhere along the line, they made it illegal to hunt them for food, though.

02:02:05.000 They're a fur-bearing animal, so you have to have a fur trapper's license in America to eat them.

02:02:11.000 Yeah.

02:02:11.000 But there's people at the turn of the century, like Rinella is amazing in his knowledge of the history of animals in America and the history of hunting in America.

02:02:20.000 But apparently, many, many, many years ago, beaver trapping and beaver pelts were so valuable that the richest man in the world, in like the early 1800s, made all of his money from beaver pelts.

02:02:34.000 Really?

02:02:35.000 Yeah.

02:02:35.000 We should bring that back in.

02:02:37.000 I'd kill some beavers for some cash. 0.99

02:02:38.000 I think it was before felt. 0.74

02:02:42.000 And once they came up with felt, like for hats and stuff like that, because the gentlemen wore felt hats, they didn't need beaver as much anymore, and beaver kind of fell out of favor, and people stopped doing that.

02:02:54.000 I wonder how big numbers the beaver population dropped at that time.

02:02:59.000 Oh, gigantic.

02:03:00.000 Slaughter.

02:03:02.000 That sort of history behind animals, you know, when they've got that value on them, and there's just an open slaughter is what seems to drive a lot of things to extinction.

02:03:10.000 Right.

02:03:10.000 Well, that's one of the interesting things about America.

02:03:13.000 Like, if you buy elk or venison in America, most of it is from New Zealand, which is really strange.

02:03:20.000 It is strange.

02:03:21.000 And the reason is, you can't...

02:03:22.000 Like, market hunting was like a giant factor in the slaughter of countless amounts of buffalo, of elk, of deer, even antelope.

02:03:34.000 Like, they killed everything back in the day.

02:03:37.000 And it was a lot of men returning from the war at the turn of the century that just went on, you know, these trips.

02:03:43.000 And that's the way that you could make money.

02:03:45.000 The way you can make money is go hunting for meat.

02:03:48.000 And they brought that meat to market.

02:03:50.000 Yeah.

02:03:51.000 I mean, the...

02:03:52.000 I think the idea of these animals being precious and preserved and wildlife, the way we think of it, they didn't have these thoughts in the 1800s.

02:04:02.000 It was a resource, and they just abused it.

02:04:05.000 I mean, we've all seen the photos of the stacks of buffaloes.

02:04:09.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:04:10.000 A lot of them were just for the hides.

02:04:11.000 Where we are today is definitely...

02:04:13.000 I think a lot of people think that's still happening today.

02:04:15.000 Like hunters are still that sort of person.

02:04:19.000 Whereas hunters are the ultimate conservationists now.

02:04:22.000 And the system that America's got in place is the best system anywhere in the world where there's a tag, there's a season.

02:04:28.000 They manage and regulate the population.

02:04:32.000 So let's just say elk, the numbers were...

02:04:40.000 We're good to go.

02:05:04.000 We're good to go.

02:05:17.000 We're not going to go out and just slaughter the numbers.

02:05:20.000 They're an introduced species into Australia.

02:05:23.000 They are bad to the environment if the numbers are too big, and hunters treat them like that.

02:05:29.000 We're not going to go out and wipe out the whole population.

02:05:34.000 Hunters are very good at, you know, there's only 20 bucks in this area at the moment, because there should be a certain buck to doe ratio.

02:05:42.000 There's only 20 bucks in this area at the moment.

02:05:44.000 We're not going to kill 19 of them.

02:05:46.000 There's going to be one buck left. 1.00

02:05:48.000 You know, we're going to kill the oldest buck in that area. 0.98

02:05:50.000 There's only 20 there. 1.00

02:05:51.000 Let's just kill the oldest buck in that area. 1.00

02:05:52.000 That's a good population. 1.00

02:05:54.000 It's sustainable.

02:05:56.000 They're not damaging the environment in that number.

02:06:00.000 And I think there's a big difference there between the American and the Australian hunter in that sense that you guys would do the same thing.

02:06:10.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:06:11.000 If there wasn't a tag in place or a season in place, today's society would do the same thing because we've learned from the past.

02:06:17.000 Some would, but there's a bunch of people that wouldn't.

02:06:21.000 The majority, though.

02:06:22.000 The majority.

02:06:23.000 But I think there's quite a few that wouldn't.

02:06:27.000 Yeah.

02:06:29.000 I mean, that is one of the main stereotypes of the hunter, is like beer drinking, shooting everything that moves.

02:06:38.000 And I feel today that it couldn't be further from the truth.

02:06:41.000 It seems like there's more of the responsible hunter, the one that's got a good job or a good business or whatever it is, that goes out.

02:06:50.000 And you've been the perfect example of that.

02:06:53.000 I wanted to thank you when I first came on the show, that the light that you've shown on hunting...

02:06:58.000 Is how hunters are today, the majority of hunters are today.

02:07:01.000 We're just not these savage killer machines that are just like, yeah, kill it!

02:07:05.000 We're very conservative in a sense. 0.95

02:07:10.000 It's not just about going out and getting a shot off.

02:07:12.000 If you are that sort of hunter, I believe you're in it for all the wrong reasons.

02:07:16.000 It's about the experience, the connection with the outdoors, that meat, that precious meat that you get off each one of those animals.

02:07:26.000 Also, the money that we spend on gear, the money that you spend on outfitters and trips, that money and tags in particular all goes to conservation, to preserving the habitat of these animals.

02:07:36.000 And a lot of these animals, especially like white-tailed deer, there's more white-tailed deer here in America today than there were when Columbus came here.

02:07:44.000 And some of the incomes all some of these small towns rely on, right?

02:07:47.000 Yes, sure.

02:07:48.000 Is through hunting.

02:07:49.000 And something that I've always pushed, because it's frowned upon in Australia in a big way, because it's not the typical thing to do.

02:07:56.000 Hunting's not popular?

02:07:57.000 No, definitely not.

02:07:59.000 And it's not accepted like it is here in America.

02:08:02.000 How did you get into it?

02:08:03.000 I got myself into it, which was really, really weird.

02:08:06.000 Hoyt were asking me the same thing.

02:08:07.000 They're like, oh, so did your dad hunt?

02:08:09.000 And I'm like, no, you know, like I come from a broken family.

02:08:14.000 I seen a bow up in a store and I was like, what's that thing?

02:08:18.000 Because it was like a compound bow, you know, I'm like, what's that thing?

02:08:21.000 And he's like, oh, it's a bow.

02:08:23.000 And so I ended up buying the bow.

02:08:25.000 And when I bought the bow, he gave me, like, it was just a black and white magazine.

02:08:28.000 Like, I was only 17. I'd run around with, like, a fiberglass pole with a string bent on it before and used to make my own arrows, like Robin Hood stuff, you know.

02:08:36.000 But never had seen anything like that.

02:08:38.000 And the magazine he gave me was a guy with a massive big water buffalo on the front cover.

02:08:44.000 And I'm like, you can kill things with this?

02:08:46.000 Yeah. 0.70

02:08:48.000 The majority of people that never hunt have been like, so you can kill a rabbit with one arrow, but if you're going to shoot a buffalo, it must take 20 arrows.

02:08:55.000 So I was like, at the time, he must have shot it 20 times or something like that to kill it.

02:09:00.000 No.

02:09:00.000 A rabbit's got a pair of lungs, a buffalo's got a pair of lungs.

02:09:03.000 You put a hole through both of those lungs, that thing's dead in the same amount of time.

02:09:08.000 Well, now I've shot a bunch of buffalo, you know, and it's just like, that's the craziest thing, isn't it? 0.89

02:09:13.000 It was just like, it was a guy in a magazine with a buffalo dead, and I was like, you can kill things with that.

02:09:18.000 And now I'm like this full-blown hunter, you know, and it's just...

02:09:22.000 What was the process, though?

02:09:23.000 So you got a bow, and did you take lessons?

02:09:26.000 Did you teach yourself?

02:09:27.000 No, I didn't have lessons, just taught myself.

02:09:28.000 What year is this?

02:09:31.000 Well, I was 17. I'm 20. No, not 20. I wish I was 20. 29th tomorrow to here, right?

02:09:40.000 It's my birthday in Australia today, so I'm 36. So I was 17 at the time.

02:09:45.000 So it would have been 97. So it's almost 20 years.

02:09:49.000 Almost 20 years, yeah.

02:09:50.000 So you're dealing with very little internet back then, right?

02:09:53.000 No internet.

02:09:54.000 No internet.

02:09:55.000 Yeah.

02:09:55.000 Even though we invented Wi-Fi, we didn't know internet.

02:09:58.000 Yeah.

02:09:58.000 You guys didn't have Australia internet?

02:10:01.000 We probably did.

02:10:02.000 Like I said, I was poor, I didn't know.

02:10:03.000 But you're not, my point is you're not getting any information online, teaching.

02:10:07.000 Learn all your own mistakes.

02:10:09.000 That's why I was, I actually was a big part of a bowhunting forum in Australia for many years, and I just like, if I had that when I was coming up through bowhunting, The time, energy and money that I would have saved by just getting the right information straight off the internet,

02:10:25.000 like being able to do research or even going to a club and there's 20 other guys at the club that you could at least get information out of.

02:10:34.000 I never had any of that. 0.99

02:10:36.000 But shit still got killed. 0.99

02:10:38.000 And that's what I always say to people. 1.00

02:10:40.000 You don't need the best of everything.

02:10:43.000 If your budget can only afford you...

02:10:46.000 You know, some recurve bow and some cheap arrows, I guarantee you're still going to be successful with that gear if you put in the time.

02:10:55.000 There's no doubt about it.

02:10:58.000 So, I just had this cheap bow, cheap arrows, probably didn't even wear camouflage at the time, and just went out into the outdoors and just worked it out myself.

02:11:10.000 And this was pre-range finders?

02:11:12.000 Pre-range finders.

02:11:13.000 So, how did you decide, like, where to aim?

02:11:16.000 It was a guess.

02:11:18.000 You're using your own knowledge.

02:11:22.000 You're using your own skills.

02:11:24.000 That's what sucks about some of today's technology in that.

02:11:27.000 Because you lose that, right?

02:11:28.000 You're using a rangefinder.

02:11:30.000 You're relying on a rangefinder.

02:11:32.000 I still go out to the range sometimes where I'll just go around shooting clumps of grass or whatever with no range finder.

02:11:38.000 Guess the distance, have a shot, then range it.

02:11:40.000 Just so you get to learn distances and no distances.

02:11:44.000 I'm pretty good at like 30 yards.

02:11:46.000 No, 10. No release aids, dude.

02:11:50.000 Right, so you did it with your fingers?

02:11:51.000 Yeah, it was all fingers.

02:11:52.000 When did you start using a release aid?

02:11:54.000 I don't know what year it was, but...

02:11:58.000 Ten years in?

02:11:59.000 Yeah, about ten years in.

02:12:00.000 Were you making your own arrows?

02:12:02.000 Yeah, I'd make my own arrows.

02:12:03.000 They were all timber arrows.

02:12:04.000 Like, you'd use timber arrows, a big two-blade broadhead.

02:12:08.000 You're saying timber?

02:12:09.000 Is that what you're saying?

02:12:09.000 Timber, yeah.

02:12:10.000 Timber, like wood.

02:12:11.000 Yeah.

02:12:11.000 Okay.

02:12:12.000 So, wood arrows.

02:12:13.000 You're making your own wood arrows?

02:12:14.000 Yeah.

02:12:15.000 Like, you're cutting your own dowels and the whole deal?

02:12:17.000 Yeah.

02:12:17.000 Some guys did.

02:12:18.000 You'd be able to just buy, you know, like 12 dowels already spine.

02:12:23.000 They'd all be spine tested to say 80 pounds.

02:12:25.000 And then you'd glue your broad head on, you'd sharpen the front up, you'd glue your broad head on.

02:12:30.000 You glued it on?

02:12:31.000 Yeah, you'd glue your broad head on.

02:12:32.000 Hmm.

02:12:33.000 No inserts.

02:12:34.000 Yeah.

02:12:35.000 And then feathers. 0.67

02:12:37.000 You'd use five-inch feathers on everything.

02:12:39.000 Wow.

02:12:39.000 And just fingers on the string, free fingers on the string.

02:12:43.000 No sights or anything like that.

02:12:44.000 It was just open-sided.

02:12:46.000 It was very instinctive shooting.

02:12:47.000 Right.

02:12:48.000 Or some guys would use the arrow and line up down the arrow. 0.93

02:12:50.000 Yeah.

02:12:52.000 But a lot of the times we were effective out to 50, 60, 70 metres.

02:12:56.000 If you did enough practice, you were still effective out to those ranges, but it took a lot more time.

02:13:01.000 Did you weigh your arrows and weigh your broadheads?

02:13:03.000 Yeah, you'd weigh your arrows and broadheads.

02:13:05.000 So you kind of kept them in a certain range?

02:13:07.000 Yeah, you'd keep them all identical.

02:13:09.000 You'd spin test them all once you put your broadhead on them.

02:13:13.000 You could get spine testers back in those days and you'd spine test them and you'd turn your shaft to get to the closest spine.

02:13:19.000 It wouldn't be perfect on each one.

02:13:21.000 We're talking timber here.

02:13:22.000 Right.

02:13:22.000 And you'd get your spine pretty accurate on each one.

02:13:25.000 You'd glue your broadhead on in that sense and your knock as well.

02:13:30.000 So everyone was spying the same up and down, yeah.

02:13:33.000 Wow. 1.00

02:13:34.000 Dude, you're a goddamn pioneer. 1.00

02:13:36.000 Yeah, it was simple. 1.00

02:13:37.000 Oh, no.

02:13:38.000 That's a funny thing.

02:13:39.000 Yeah, you're basically like a mountain man.

02:13:40.000 One of them trappers that came over here on some beaver-skinned canoe. 0.94

02:13:44.000 That's crazy, man.

02:13:45.000 So you'd have to practice a lot.

02:13:47.000 So I'll go out with my—I've got the Hoyt Defiant there, and I'll sight that bow in, and, you know, I'll just shoot once a week or whatever— You know, if I can shoot daily, I will.

02:13:58.000 But with traditional gear, you had to shoot daily.

02:14:01.000 You had to have...

02:14:02.000 I'd have 50 or 100 arrows every single day just to keep the skill level up.

02:14:07.000 And it was the same shooting a bow that was open sights.

02:14:10.000 You know, no sights or anything like that in fingers.

02:14:12.000 You had to constantly shoot that bow to be accurate.

02:14:15.000 So it's almost like throwing a rock in that you've got to kind of have a sense of how far it's going to go with the amount of effort.

02:14:21.000 Exactly like throwing a rock, yeah.

02:14:23.000 And where to...

02:14:24.000 You pick it up so that if you know it's a certain distance away, you kind of, in your head, know the arc of the arrow?

02:14:30.000 Yeah.

02:14:30.000 I wouldn't get a new bow every year because if you got a new bow, you had to start all over again.

02:14:35.000 Right.

02:14:36.000 Whereas I knew the cast of that bow.

02:14:37.000 I know where an arrow fell.

02:14:39.000 I know where an arrow shot flat, too.

02:14:41.000 Yeah.

02:14:43.000 But like I said, hunting, I used to kill just as much back then as I do with today's technology, but I've got to spend less time with today's technology.

02:14:51.000 Well, you're also in Australia, which is very different, because what you're saying is you can hunt all year round, you can shoot things every day, you can shoot as many animals as you want.

02:15:00.000 Exactly.

02:15:00.000 So you could go out in one day and kill 12 deer, and that's fine.

02:15:04.000 You just take them and give the meat away to your friends.

02:15:06.000 You wouldn't unless you were just culling, because the numbers have got so bad.

02:15:10.000 Right, of course.

02:15:12.000 But you could.

02:15:13.000 You could.

02:15:13.000 You definitely could.

02:15:14.000 Yeah, and there'd be...

02:15:15.000 No one would bat an eye at this.

02:15:17.000 And then you just have a lot of friends and just give them the meat.

02:15:20.000 Yeah, a lot of friends.

02:15:21.000 Everybody would like to come over.

02:15:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:15:23.000 Do you wind up giving a lot of your meat away?

02:15:25.000 Heaps.

02:15:26.000 Heaps.

02:15:26.000 Heaps, yeah.

02:15:28.000 I like shooting the deer while they're fat, so before they go into the rut, because they go into the rut fat and they come out looking like a greyhound, you know?

02:15:35.000 Yeah.

02:15:36.000 They just lost so much condition.

02:15:39.000 So I like to shoot a couple of deer before the rut.

02:15:42.000 And they've also got a lot of fat on them at that point, which is really good for making sausages.

02:15:46.000 I like making my own sausages.

02:15:48.000 I'll fill the freezer with that, and then I've just got a list of just family.

02:15:52.000 Like, put friends aside, I've just got a list of family that will take the meat off me, which is really good, because especially with the deer, a lot of the deer meat gets all used.

02:16:01.000 Some of our big mountain bores and things like that...

02:16:05.000 I'm not a big fan of eating them big rank boars.

02:16:07.000 It's super, super gamey.

02:16:10.000 But it still doesn't go to waste.

02:16:11.000 It's dog meat or it goes back in the mother nature right there and then.

02:16:14.000 Have you ever brined them?

02:16:16.000 Like brined a boar ham?

02:16:18.000 I'd like to try.

02:16:19.000 My buddy Antonio does all that sort of stuff and he makes those big cranksy sausages, like a cured sausage.

02:16:26.000 Man, delicious.

02:16:27.000 Awesome.

02:16:28.000 Yeah, apparently, if you cook them well, those old boars are really delicious.

02:16:33.000 You just have to know how to brine them and cook them well.

02:16:36.000 Well, the Europeans love them.

02:16:38.000 So we've got our professional pig hunters back home that hunt for human consumption. 0.93

02:16:44.000 The meat goes to human consumption, and the majority of it gets sent overseas.

02:16:48.000 They love it, and they pay big dollars for it.

02:16:50.000 How do they consume it?

02:16:52.000 Like, sausage?

02:16:54.000 Anything, I suppose.

02:16:55.000 I think the whole animal gets shipped over.

02:16:57.000 Right, but I wonder how they mainly eat it.

02:17:00.000 I don't know.

02:17:02.000 The rut is a crazy thing, man, and most people aren't aware, but deer and elk and, I guess, stags and a lot of those other animals, they only have sex once a year. 1.00

02:17:11.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:17:12.000 It's kind of crazy. 1.00

02:17:12.000 Crazy. 1.00

02:17:13.000 But what a crazy design. 0.73

02:17:15.000 Like, nature has it set up, so most of the year they're not even horny.

02:17:19.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:17:20.000 Then one time a year they lose their fucking minds. 1.00

02:17:25.000 Just crazy. 1.00

02:17:26.000 Don't eat.

02:17:27.000 Don't drink.

02:17:28.000 That's the only thing on their mind.

02:17:29.000 Just go ballistic all day long.

02:17:31.000 Sometimes all night long.

02:17:32.000 I've never hunted deer in the rut.

02:17:34.000 I've only hunted deer in Wisconsin season and in Montana.

02:17:39.000 We hunted deer and they weren't in the rut.

02:17:42.000 But apparently when they're in the rut, they lose their marbles.

02:17:44.000 But I've seen elk in the rut.

02:17:47.000 And it's the most bizarre thing.

02:17:49.000 Can't even control their tongue anymore.

02:17:51.000 Their tongue's hanging out. 1.00

02:17:52.000 Their dick is flopping up and down when they scream. 1.00

02:17:55.000 Literally, they have a rod going all the time. 1.00

02:17:57.000 They're jizzing all over their chest.

02:17:59.000 They're screaming at the top of their lungs. 0.99

02:18:02.000 Our red stags, they put their head between their legs.

02:18:05.000 Like, they're in the rut. 0.97

02:18:06.000 They put their head between their legs. 0.99

02:18:07.000 They piss in their mouth, right? 1.00

02:18:10.000 They hold it all in their mouth.

02:18:11.000 Then they gurgle it as they trot along, so all the spray goes all over their body.

02:18:16.000 What? 0.52

02:18:16.000 Like, imagine doing that before sex. 0.52

02:18:18.000 Like, yeah, I've just got to get this done, babe. 1.00

02:18:21.000 You know, I've just got to piss in my mouth and spray it all over me. 0.95

02:18:23.000 I've got to get ready, baby. 0.98

02:18:25.000 You know how I feel about you.

02:18:26.000 And you know how happy they are when that happens? 1.00

02:18:28.000 Like, they're prancing around like, I'm king shit. 0.99

02:18:31.000 I wonder what that's all about. 1.00

02:18:32.000 What kind of evolutionary advantage is there to pissing in your own mouth and spraying it up in the air?

02:18:37.000 You reckon we've ever done that and then they're just like, you know, we're not going to write this bit in anymore because it's just drastic.

02:18:42.000 We really don't need it.

02:18:43.000 There's no benefit.

02:18:44.000 You get yellow teeth.

02:18:45.000 You just lie on your shoulders. 1.00

02:18:47.000 You put your ass up in the air and you just piss. 1.00

02:18:49.000 Hold on to the back of your knees. 1.00

02:18:51.000 You've got to scoop them. 1.00

02:18:53.000 Pull your dick towards your face. 1.00

02:18:57.000 It's hard, but it's awesome to see in nature. 1.00

02:19:00.000 I gotta see that.

02:19:01.000 See if you can find that.

02:19:02.000 Is it a red deer?

02:19:03.000 Yeah, red deer.

02:19:04.000 I think our rooster deer might do it too.

02:19:06.000 They're super medieval.

02:19:07.000 Are they the ones that roar like a lion? 1.00

02:19:10.000 What a weird fucking noise that is. 0.99

02:19:12.000 A lot of people don't even realize there's deer in Australia. 0.99

02:19:16.000 There's six species in Australia.

02:19:17.000 And they'll go out camping and they'll hear that and they're like, oh, there's a big cat in Australia.

02:19:23.000 Because that's a bit of a myth.

02:19:25.000 There's big cats in Australia.

02:19:27.000 That's what makes a lot of people think of it.

02:19:29.000 They're like, we're scared shitless.

02:19:30.000 We couldn't sleep last night.

02:19:31.000 I'm like, where was it?

02:19:32.000 Where's the spot?

02:19:32.000 I want to know where the spot is.

02:19:33.000 Because I know it's a deer.

02:19:35.000 Well, did you hear that there was a rumor for years and years and years people had talked about spotting big cats in the UK? Yeah.

02:19:43.000 And then they found out that there was a fucking sanctuary that released big cats. 0.99

02:19:47.000 Yes. 1.00

02:19:48.000 They just admitted to it.

02:19:49.000 In the 90s, I think.

02:19:51.000 In the late 80s or the 90s, they had released a couple of Pumas in the UK countryside.

02:19:57.000 Pumas?

02:19:57.000 Yes.

02:19:58.000 Pumas.

02:19:58.000 Puma.

02:19:59.000 Pumas.

02:20:00.000 No, like the sneaker?

02:20:01.000 Puma.

02:20:02.000 Like, welcome to America.

02:20:04.000 Oh, here he is. 0.65

02:20:05.000 He's pissing.

02:20:05.000 Oh, yeah, look at that.

02:20:06.000 He's pissing in his fucking mouth. 1.00

02:20:09.000 What in the hell? 1.00

02:20:10.000 And he loves it. 0.65

02:20:11.000 Have you tried it?

02:20:12.000 Don't knock it.

02:20:13.000 Give it a go.

02:20:14.000 Oh, no.

02:20:14.000 Look, he's pissing all over himself.

02:20:16.000 He doesn't even look like he's in a rut. 0.99

02:20:17.000 He's just doing it for the fuck of it. 0.98

02:20:19.000 You don't think he's in the rut? 0.99

02:20:20.000 Nah, there's another stag there. 0.99

02:20:21.000 He should be beating the shit out of it. 0.99

02:20:23.000 Well, he's a little one, though. 0.99

02:20:24.000 The other stag is big. 0.99

02:20:25.000 He probably got to be real careful while he fucks with that other dude. 1.00

02:20:28.000 Are they penned up? 0.99

02:20:28.000 He's not doing it right. 0.99

02:20:30.000 Yeah, he should be, like, pissing right in his mouth so he can Google it. 0.93

02:20:33.000 Well, that's the thing in New Zealand, right? 0.94

02:20:35.000 New Zealand, a lot of the stags, they're high fence.

02:20:38.000 I hate it.

02:20:39.000 I don't want to piss off some hunters that do it, but closed range is against everything that I'm about.

02:20:45.000 It's a fake currency for what hunting is.

02:20:48.000 You get these massive big red stags and just crazy inches on top of inches.

02:20:52.000 No one ever writes, this is the closed range stag that I shot in New Zealand.

02:20:56.000 Right.

02:20:57.000 No one ever writes that.

02:20:58.000 They're just like, oh, I've got a big red stag, you know, blah, blah, blah.

02:21:00.000 And so many hunters that aren't educated in that sense, and I'm not having to stab at them from not being educated, they shouldn't have to be in that sense, are looking at that going, oh, that's what you can expect when you go to New Zealand or Australia.

02:21:13.000 No, it's friggin' not.

02:21:14.000 They're penned animals. 0.53

02:21:15.000 Right, and they feed them high-protein food.

02:21:17.000 They feed them high-protein food.

02:21:19.000 They're being genetically bred. 1.00

02:21:21.000 It's just all that crazy shit. 1.00

02:21:23.000 Right. 1.00

02:21:23.000 I think? 1.00

02:21:43.000 Isn't that the difference between free range and fair chase and these high fence operations?

02:21:49.000 And it's a very contentious argument because a lot of people are growing these white-tailed deer in America.

02:21:56.000 And again, they're introducing this crazy food to their diet and they're growing these ridiculous racks that don't even look like racks.

02:22:03.000 Have you ever seen those? 0.96

02:22:04.000 They look like bushes growing out of their head. 0.73

02:22:06.000 And they look so fake. 1.00

02:22:07.000 Yeah, I think they're ugly. 1.00

02:22:09.000 They are ugly. 0.99

02:22:10.000 I don't enjoy looking at them. 0.99

02:22:10.000 I don't enjoy looking at them either. 0.99

02:22:12.000 It looks weird.

02:22:13.000 It's like some sort of a strange, weird-bred dog or something.

02:22:17.000 When you see their antlers and their 290-inch whitetails, what is that?

02:22:23.000 Because hunting should be so natural.

02:22:25.000 And that's so far from being natural, especially when it's wildlife.

02:22:28.000 I'm not talking about walking around with a stick and string that you've carved out of a tree yourself.

02:22:32.000 I'm talking about just a natural environment.

02:22:35.000 Right.

02:22:35.000 Landscape and animal.

02:22:37.000 Yeah, well, animals that are living in the wild, literally no interaction with people other than when the hunter...

02:22:43.000 Especially what you're dealing with, because you're dealing with very few hunters and, like, expansive areas where very few people even go into.

02:22:51.000 Yeah.

02:22:52.000 Yeah, and they don't muck around.

02:22:53.000 They see you and they're gone like that.

02:22:54.000 There's no, like, oh, that dude might have food in his pocket.

02:22:58.000 I'm going to walk over there and have a feed.

02:22:59.000 No.

02:23:00.000 They're like, what the...

02:23:02.000 There's another big issue in America where they have these feeders and these people, they put a blind outside of a feeder and then the feeder goes off at a certain time and these people sit in the blind and wait for the feeder to go off because the deer are programmed to come towards the feeder when it's going off and you just whack them.

02:23:18.000 Yeah, I'm not interested in that myself, but I don't frown upon it.

02:23:22.000 They call it baiting, right?

02:23:23.000 Well, what it is is it's like meat acquisition.

02:23:26.000 It's not really hunting.

02:23:27.000 I mean, it's probably better for the animal.

02:23:30.000 And they've put the effort in to set that up right and trip that animal.

02:23:33.000 So it's a little bit like...

02:23:34.000 Like I said, it's not my style of hunting, but the free-range thing really gets me.

02:23:39.000 I don't want to go on about it because I'm going to upset too many people, but...

02:23:42.000 I know what you're saying, but think about what you were saying earlier about your experience in Montana.

02:23:46.000 You're, you know, 11 days in, 12 miles deep into the woods by yourself.

02:23:51.000 That's the real deal.

02:23:52.000 I mean, that is as real as it gets.

02:23:55.000 But there's a thing about hunting where, you know, people that are really into bow hunting look down on people that shoot with a rifle.

02:24:01.000 People that are really into wilderness hunting and fair chase look down on people that hunt high fence.

02:24:07.000 You know, I get the arguments.

02:24:09.000 I even get the arguments for some high fence.

02:24:12.000 Like, a friend of mine went to this high fence operation in Texas, and I was like, man, that seems kind of crazy that these animals are all pendent.

02:24:19.000 He's like, it's 10,000 acres.

02:24:21.000 He's like, the fence circles 10,000 acres.

02:24:24.000 But they're put there, right?

02:24:25.000 Yeah.

02:24:26.000 Or they're genetically bred still.

02:24:27.000 Well, they're put there.

02:24:27.000 They're access deer and all sorts of, like, Neil guy and all sorts of weird foreign species.

02:24:34.000 He's like, yeah, they have been put there, but...

02:24:37.000 They're wild.

02:24:38.000 They're Roman wild. 0.99

02:24:39.000 I'm like, man, that's a weird argument then.

02:24:41.000 Because I get it.

02:24:43.000 If I needed to hunt for meat, it's a good way to do it, right?

02:24:47.000 Even if it's only a few hundred acres, you know the animals are there.

02:24:50.000 You just go find them and get them for meat.

02:24:52.000 But even if it's 10,000 acres, at what range is it really wild?

02:24:56.000 Is it wild at 50,000 acres?

02:24:59.000 Is it wild at 100,000 acres?

02:25:02.000 If it's fenced in, if there's a fence anywhere...

02:25:04.000 For me, it's just got to be unfenced.

02:25:06.000 Unfenced, period.

02:25:07.000 So when I went to Africa, I got pretty stitched up when I went to Africa, because it's just like an operation. 0.96

02:25:13.000 It's just an income for them, you know?

02:25:14.000 Stitched up?

02:25:15.000 What do you mean by that? 1.00

02:25:16.000 Stitched up, fucked over. 1.00

02:25:17.000 Oh yeah? 1.00

02:25:18.000 Yeah.

02:25:19.000 By the outfitter there.

02:25:20.000 He was a con artist, basically.

02:25:23.000 I don't want to go into too much detail.

02:25:26.000 So I was supposed to go straight into Zimbabwe and hunt buffalo, Cape Buffalo.

02:25:31.000 Those are dangerous.

02:25:32.000 Yeah, before I got there, he took me to his...

02:25:35.000 They call them ranches or whatever.

02:25:37.000 All that means is high-fence operation.

02:25:40.000 In South Africa, and I understand parts of South Africa because it has bred animals that are on the brink of extinction, and then it's good for them because they're there now.

02:25:50.000 But it's just not for me, that closed-range hunting.

02:25:52.000 Everything's closed-range.

02:25:54.000 I absolutely hated it because I just want an animal that's there naturally, Or has not been genetically bred or brought in or anything like that.

02:26:05.000 And before I got there these guys were like, what size buffalo do you want to shoot?

02:26:10.000 And I'm like, well, we'll just see what's big for the area.

02:26:13.000 Like, that's all you can do. 0.54

02:26:14.000 You can only shoot the big animal for the area.

02:26:16.000 If you're after an old animal or a trophy animal, you can only shoot what's big for that area.

02:26:19.000 So usually I spend the first half of the trip understanding what's a big animal or an old animal for the area.

02:26:26.000 Then you'll hunt it for the other half of the trip.

02:26:28.000 They're like, what size buffalo do you want to shoot?

02:26:30.000 Well, let's just say, what's big for the area?

02:26:33.000 Oh no, we'll just bring one in on a truck. 0.98

02:26:35.000 Before you get here, you just tell us what size you want.

02:26:37.000 We'll bring it in and release it. 0.99

02:26:39.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:26:41.000 If I'm going to do that, I'm going to go to a farm and say, can I buy that cow and cut it up for meat? 1.00

02:26:46.000 Right?

02:26:47.000 So that's a little bit on at least that operation in South Africa.

02:26:52.000 I'm not saying they're all like that.

02:26:53.000 There's a lot of them like that.

02:26:55.000 There is a lot of them like that.

02:26:56.000 And then I end up paying extra because I'm like, no, if I've got to hunt free range, it's the only way I'm going to hunt.

02:27:02.000 And that's what I was coming here for, to hunt a free range Cape Buffalo.

02:27:07.000 Yeah.

02:27:10.000 Yeah.

02:27:30.000 So, yeah, it's a horrible industry over there in that sense.

02:27:37.000 And I can be at blame as well.

02:27:39.000 I should have done more research on that outfitter.

02:27:42.000 But I won that hunt for a charity auction.

02:27:45.000 It wasn't the sort of thing that I was, like, you know, researching for weeks and weeks trying to find a good outfitter to go to and shoot a Cape Buffalo.

02:27:53.000 Yeah.

02:27:54.000 That was a bit unfortunate in that sense.

02:27:55.000 There's an amazing documentary on it from Louis Theroux, who's a wildlife or rather a documentarian from the UK. Great guy.

02:28:05.000 Who's been on the podcast a couple times and talked about it the first time.

02:28:08.000 But it's all about these African high fence hunting trips. 0.77

02:28:13.000 And he was over there for a long time and got the guy to kind of explain exactly what's going on over there.

02:28:19.000 But it was just really bizarre to see people, you know, They had these lions, and they had them, like, right there.

02:28:27.000 I mean, there was two sets of fences, one fence and a fence right behind it, and they took a dead calf, and they throw it over the fence, and they watched the lions tear it apart.

02:28:35.000 But you look at the lions, you look at the people, you can go hunt those lions.

02:28:39.000 They just let one loose, they take it out, and it's all high fence.

02:28:42.000 But they were explaining that these animals were on the verge of extinction just a few decades ago.

02:28:47.000 And because of these high fence operations, now they're thriving.

02:28:50.000 But they're thriving in these bizarre conditions where they're fenced in and people hunt them.

02:28:55.000 Can't they just put them out in the wild and let them thrive out there in a closed-off area?

02:28:59.000 You know, and then there's the poaching thing.

02:29:01.000 Poaching is a weird word for it because a lot of those people are just hunting for food.

02:29:04.000 Exactly, yeah.

02:29:05.000 They're just poor people.

02:29:06.000 The villages that I went through, because we'd find snares, and they'd rip them down, and it wasn't the commercial side of poaching.

02:29:16.000 It wasn't like they were collecting the antlers or ivy or whatever and selling it and getting massive amounts of dollars.

02:29:21.000 These were people that were snaring to try and catch animals to eat.

02:29:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:29:26.000 If I'm going broke and my family's hungry, I'm going to be the first one to fucking step over a fence and kill something. 1.00

02:29:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:29:31.000 I can tell you right now because I know I'm doing the right thing. 0.99

02:29:34.000 Yeah.

02:29:34.000 So there's a funny line there where there's a couple of different types of poaching, you know, and it's that one that's commercial and they're just slaughtering everything, elephants, lions, whatever.

02:29:44.000 Rhino horns.

02:29:44.000 Rhino horns, which is freaking horrible.

02:29:46.000 Yeah.

02:29:46.000 Then there's the villager, or let's just call them locals because they live there.

02:29:51.000 It should be their land.

02:29:52.000 They're just poor people.

02:29:53.000 Exactly.

02:29:53.000 They're just trying to feed their family.

02:29:55.000 Yeah.

02:29:56.000 Man, I can't...

02:29:57.000 There's no hate in that.

02:29:58.000 No, there's no hate in that.

02:29:59.000 And those people are shot. 0.99

02:30:00.000 They shoot them.

02:30:02.000 I mean, it's... 1.00

02:30:02.000 Scary shit. 1.00

02:30:03.000 I mean, apartheid is dead in South Africa, but goddamn racism is still real strong in a lot of areas there. 1.00

02:30:10.000 And those people that are just poor black people that live there... 0.99

02:30:13.000 That's the other thing that I hated about the hunt, dude. 1.00

02:30:16.000 Man, the people that I was with were friggin' racist. 0.99

02:30:19.000 Like... 0.99

02:30:20.000 I come back from that trip and talking to Kim about it.

02:30:23.000 I choked up.

02:30:24.000 I started crying.

02:30:25.000 I can't believe what those people have to go through over there.

02:30:28.000 And they were the people that were helping me on the hunt.

02:30:30.000 They were smiling.

02:30:31.000 They were happy the whole time. 0.88

02:30:33.000 And here's these people saying he would kill his own mother for the scraps on the table. 0.99

02:30:38.000 I'm like, how can you frigging say that? 0.99

02:30:40.000 How dare you say that? 0.98

02:30:42.000 You don't know that person.

02:30:43.000 That's what they were like.

02:30:45.000 Just deeply ingrained generation after generation.

02:30:48.000 I loved the local people, but I hated the outfit that I was with.

02:30:51.000 Wow, that's disturbing, man.

02:30:53.000 It's just sad.

02:30:54.000 I mean, how do you ever fix that?

02:30:57.000 And, you know, what's really crazy is for a lot of people, that's their dream, to go to Africa and hunt the big seven, you know, or the big five.

02:31:05.000 There's this movement of people acquiring all these trophies and going to Africa and shooting all these different animals, and that's the way they do it. 0.91

02:31:13.000 They go to these outfitters that can guarantee they can get in front of these animals.

02:31:17.000 Yeah.

02:31:17.000 I think you've just got to do your research on the outfitters.

02:31:20.000 Let's run all the scumbag ones out of the industry. 1.00

02:31:22.000 Do your research on the outfitter. 0.99

02:31:25.000 Talk to other hunters that have been there.

02:31:26.000 And not just one.

02:31:27.000 Talk to six other hunters that have been to the operation.

02:31:30.000 Demand for the numbers or the emails for who their past clients are and go there.

02:31:35.000 Australia doesn't have that.

02:31:37.000 Australia's built a hunting industry which is tiny.

02:31:40.000 It's like, have you ever heard about hunting in Australia?

02:31:42.000 Like, oh, come to Australia and shoot a... 0.95

02:31:44.000 Whatever.

02:31:45.000 Species of deer?

02:31:46.000 You don't.

02:31:46.000 Because it's not that big.

02:31:48.000 It's not like New Zealand or it's not like Africa where they've built a big industry on it.

02:31:52.000 How did New Zealand get so big?

02:31:55.000 I don't know.

02:31:56.000 They must have had the right people or government pushing it at some point.

02:31:59.000 Because people are always going on there.

02:32:01.000 New Zealand's known for it.

02:32:02.000 Beautiful country.

02:32:03.000 Awesome.

02:32:05.000 But Australia's industry is built on having excellent access to excellent numbers of game.

02:32:12.000 So if you book a hunt in Australia, it's not like someone's gone, you know, there's a big industry here, so let's just make up a business, Australian hunting safaris, and let's just get people in.

02:32:24.000 We don't have game, but they're going to come anyway because we're known for hunting.

02:32:29.000 You book a hunt in Australia, I guarantee you, it's going to be out of place, as long as you do a little bit of research.

02:32:33.000 But practically everywhere has big game numbers, and that's why they've started the business on a hunting outfit, because they've got so much game, and they're like, oh, this could work out really good for hunters.

02:32:44.000 There's a ton of game here.

02:32:46.000 Come along.

02:32:47.000 So it's not like that in Africa.

02:32:50.000 A lot of those places have really got nothing. 0.79

02:32:54.000 You know, it's arid lands, and you fed all this bullshit that the hunting's gonna be unreal, and it's not at all, which is what I experienced.

02:33:02.000 Now, how many people, though, are willing to do something like what you did in Montana, or what you and Cam did in Australia, which is probably even crazier, because you didn't even bring anything with you? 0.81

02:33:11.000 Why do you have to keep bringing that up?

02:33:13.000 Because you guys survived off the land.

02:33:16.000 I mean, how many days were you out there for?

02:33:17.000 I just want to fix something up about that.

02:33:20.000 The helicopter pilot said...

02:33:22.000 You've got to keep your gear basically to a backpack hunt because the chopper couldn't carry a lot of weight.

02:33:29.000 So then I was like, well, I can't pack a lot of food because I'm already at my weight limit.

02:33:35.000 Cam's already at his weight limit.

02:33:37.000 Our buddy Owen's already going to be at his weight limit.

02:33:40.000 So I simply couldn't really pack food.

02:33:42.000 I couldn't pack fresh water or anything like that because the chopper actually struggled to get off the ground once it was fuelled up.

02:33:50.000 And then, so, that's the real story about it, yeah. 0.99

02:33:53.000 But those fucks won't tell you that part of the story. 0.99

02:33:56.000 They won't be like, oh, we couldn't take food because the chopper couldn't carry it. 1.00

02:33:58.000 They're always like, Adam didn't bring any food.

02:34:00.000 Why am I responsible?

02:34:02.000 No, the way Cam described it was like, you guys had just made this conscious decision to try to rough it.

02:34:06.000 Oh, that sounds good.

02:34:07.000 That sounds better, right?

02:34:09.000 I thought it was pretty gangster.

02:34:10.000 No, we did, because I was like, it'll be part of the experience. 0.96

02:34:13.000 We'll have to catch buffalo, we'll have to kill. 0.99

02:34:15.000 We're going to kill. 1.00

02:34:16.000 Come on.

02:34:17.000 And we did, you know, but the buffalo that we killed was so tough.

02:34:21.000 I think it might have been Cairns' first bull that he killed.

02:34:24.000 It was so tough that you just chewed the meat, you got the liquid out of it, and then you had to take the meat out of your mouth because you couldn't break it down.

02:34:32.000 What?

02:34:33.000 It was an old bull.

02:34:34.000 It was a giant old bull.

02:34:35.000 He told me that he was practicing with his bow with the same piece of meat in his mouth for 30 minutes.

02:34:42.000 That sounds about right.

02:34:43.000 That's insane.

02:34:44.000 Now, what about the liver?

02:34:45.000 Couldn't you eat the liver?

02:34:48.000 We could.

02:34:48.000 You'd want to check it over.

02:34:50.000 Most of Australia's species in game are disease-free.

02:34:54.000 That's one of the beauties in Australia.

02:34:55.000 You can cut the raw meat off any animal in Australia and just eat it.

02:34:58.000 You won't get sick.

02:35:00.000 If you do get sick, don't blame me, but you shouldn't get sick.

02:35:03.000 If you don't get sick, I'll drink a buffalo piss. 0.64

02:35:06.000 Exactly. 0.98

02:35:06.000 Yeah, just so tough. 0.98

02:35:11.000 But you didn't eat the liver?

02:35:13.000 No, we didn't take it.

02:35:14.000 We should have, now that you've said that.

02:35:16.000 I love liver. 1.00

02:35:19.000 Cam don't eat that shit. 1.00

02:35:21.000 Doesn't he? 1.00

02:35:21.000 He won't eat heart. 1.00

02:35:22.000 He won't eat liver. 1.00

02:35:23.000 He's a pussy. 1.00

02:35:24.000 He'll run like 200 miles but won't eat liver. 1.00

02:35:27.000 He runs for 78 hours in a row.

02:35:29.000 He won't eat a liver.

02:35:30.000 That's not impressive.

02:35:32.000 He just doesn't like it, I guess.

02:35:33.000 Get a new shirt, dude.

02:35:35.000 I don't eat liver.

02:35:37.000 I just don't understand it.

02:35:38.000 I think it tastes delicious.

02:35:39.000 But it's also really good for you.

02:35:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:35:42.000 And I think there's some sort of an obligation to eat as much of the animals as you can.

02:35:45.000 Yeah, I'll do it.

02:35:46.000 Oh, definitely.

02:35:46.000 I'll do it next time.

02:35:47.000 Especially a majestic thing like an elk.

02:35:50.000 The indigenous population love it when we go out there for a hunt.

02:35:53.000 Oh, yeah?

02:35:53.000 Because that is three and a half days, four days' drive from my house to go there to go hunting.

02:36:00.000 Yeah.

02:36:02.000 That's hard to take meat that far home, you know, where your vehicle, if you're in a vehicle, is already packed up.

02:36:07.000 And if you did the chopper thing, you wouldn't be taking any out.

02:36:09.000 You'd have to donate it all to the indigenous. 1.00

02:36:12.000 So when we go out for a hunt, they love it because we're shooting bulls and cutting up meat.

02:36:16.000 How do they cook it?

02:36:19.000 No different than any of us would. 0.99

02:36:20.000 So how the fuck do they chew through that thing? 0.98

02:36:22.000 If they're out of community, which is like an outstation, they're on the land, you know, they're out on the land. 0.99

02:36:32.000 Most indigenous cook, just by putting the meat straight in the fire, you know, still very traditional way, they'd just put the meat in the ashes.

02:36:38.000 No grill.

02:36:38.000 Just on the ashes.

02:36:39.000 So if they killed a wallaby or a kangaroo, they wouldn't gut it, they wouldn't skin it or anything.

02:36:46.000 They'd throw it straight in the fire like that.

02:36:49.000 What would we wrap meat in?

02:36:50.000 Like alfoil or something like that and cook it in the fire like that?

02:36:53.000 The skin just acts like that and it gives the meat a lot of flavour and everything like that.

02:36:57.000 Why do we have to complicate things so much?

02:36:59.000 Oh, let's put some alfoil around it.

02:37:01.000 Let's put some spices in there and stuff like that. 0.51

02:37:03.000 Because it tastes better.

02:37:04.000 Why does it taste better?

02:37:05.000 Because we're so used to doing that.

02:37:07.000 But if you'd never done that, if we'd never ever done that, meat would just taste good just how it is in plain.

02:37:14.000 Maybe.

02:37:14.000 Or maybe they figured it would taste better with salt and pepper and garlic salt.

02:37:18.000 Definitely, right?

02:37:20.000 So there's like some spice company that's going to go through Indigenous Australia now, giving them more spices so that they get used to it.

02:37:27.000 They get addicted.

02:37:28.000 Sales go up.

02:37:29.000 Yeah, so they throw it on the fire without gutting it at all.

02:37:32.000 And then do they eat the guts? 0.58

02:37:33.000 Yeah.

02:37:33.000 I don't think they eat the guts, just the meat and everything around it.

02:37:36.000 They'd probably eat the organs and things. 1.00

02:37:38.000 Same with fish. 0.69

02:37:39.000 They'll just throw a fish straight on the fire. 0.97

02:37:40.000 I've done that plenty of times.

02:37:41.000 That's good eating like that.

02:37:43.000 So it won't be scaled and the scales act as like the protective barrier between the ashes and everything getting to the good meat and cooking the fish better.

02:37:52.000 It seals in all the flavour and taste and the juices.

02:37:55.000 Once the fish is cooked, then you just sort of wipe the scales off and it's beautiful, clean flesh right there.

02:38:01.000 Huh.

02:38:02.000 Hmm.

02:38:04.000 That's interesting.

02:38:05.000 I've never cooked anything on ashes, like flat on ashes.

02:38:08.000 We will.

02:38:08.000 Okay.

02:38:09.000 You're going to need like a month in Australia.

02:38:11.000 A month?

02:38:12.000 What's a month?

02:38:12.000 A month.

02:38:13.000 Oh, a month.

02:38:17.000 I thought it was a new animal that I need to learn about.

02:38:19.000 How about when I was in bear camp and I was like 18 north and he's like, what's 18?

02:38:24.000 18. That's how I say 18, 17, 16, 15. Well, you guys, you have an interesting way of saying words.

02:38:32.000 Yeah.

02:38:32.000 It's proper English.

02:38:34.000 I don't think it is.

02:38:35.000 But Australia is different.

02:38:37.000 Definitely not proper English.

02:38:38.000 Yeah.

02:38:38.000 It's weird because if you didn't know Australians, you guys sound like you're kind of English.

02:38:44.000 Really?

02:38:44.000 Yeah.

02:38:45.000 Well, there's like South African. 0.98

02:38:46.000 That's like me calling you Canadian. 1.00

02:38:47.000 There's Australian.

02:38:48.000 Well, we're close.

02:38:50.000 Right?

02:38:50.000 They only have a few words they say different than us, like about.

02:38:53.000 A. Yeah, A. About.

02:38:55.000 About.

02:38:57.000 We're going to go around about Las Vegas.

02:39:01.000 But they're polite, so it's all good.

02:39:02.000 Very polite.

02:39:03.000 They're the most polite people ever.

02:39:04.000 Besides Australians. 0.99

02:39:05.000 They're pretty polite, too. 1.00

02:39:07.000 But Canadians are like, for North America, they're the fucking kings. 1.00

02:39:11.000 The kings. 1.00

02:39:12.000 Kings of politeness.

02:39:13.000 But, um...

02:39:15.000 So back to this crazy hunt that you did with Cam. 0.99

02:39:18.000 If you couldn't eat the buffalo, how the fuck did you guys... 0.99

02:39:21.000 I mean, you kind of ate it. 0.99

02:39:22.000 Well, you'd just chew it up and you'd find a softer spot to chew on.

02:39:25.000 And you guys lived off of that?

02:39:26.000 Yeah.

02:39:27.000 That and barramundi for the whole trip.

02:39:28.000 What's a barramundi?

02:39:29.000 Fish?

02:39:30.000 Yeah, real good fish.

02:39:31.000 Like, probably the best fish in the world.

02:39:32.000 Oh, really?

02:39:33.000 Yeah.

02:39:33.000 How do you catch that?

02:39:35.000 Lures.

02:39:35.000 We took little fishing rods in and we took a couple of lures.

02:39:38.000 Is it a freshwater or a saltwater fish?

02:39:39.000 They're both.

02:39:41.000 Where did you guys catch them?

02:39:43.000 Well, we were camped right on the coast.

02:39:46.000 It was horrible in a sense.

02:39:48.000 It was good, but it was horrible.

02:39:49.000 It was nice because you'd get a wind each night, but it was horrible because you were near a lot of water and a river mouth, and the mosquitoes were...

02:39:58.000 As soon as it started getting dark, mosquitoes would be in plague precautions.

02:40:02.000 Your arms would go black.

02:40:04.000 covered in mosquitoes if you didn't put something on.

02:40:06.000 Like I said, we had to go light, so I only had one tiny little tube of like an insect repellent.

02:40:12.000 And those mosquitoes are that brutal that you'd put that, you know, and they'd stay off you for like two minutes.

02:40:17.000 Cam didn't even have a net.

02:40:19.000 So I had a hammock, and I'd sleep in a hammock, and I had a net over me, but my back would just get smashed by mosquitoes because my back's just laying against the net, no mattress or anything.

02:40:30.000 I'd wake up in the morning just agonizing, wanting to scratch, and Cam was the same, you know.

02:40:35.000 No net at all.

02:40:36.000 They were just smashing his face all night.

02:40:38.000 Oh, my God.

02:40:39.000 Yeah.

02:40:40.000 Your eyes not swell shut.

02:40:42.000 I don't know.

02:40:43.000 So can you cover yourself up with mud or anything?

02:40:45.000 You could if you went to that effort, I suppose.

02:40:48.000 I would have done it.

02:40:49.000 Yeah, you would have done it. 1.00

02:40:50.000 Fuck you, I'm a pussy. 1.00

02:40:51.000 I don't like mosquitoes. 1.00

02:40:52.000 No, it's just like...

02:40:54.000 You just dealt with it?

02:40:55.000 Yeah.

02:40:56.000 You know, it's not even part of the thought process, in a sense, when you're on a hunt like that.

02:41:00.000 Because you just want to be a part of the hunt.

02:41:02.000 And that's a part of the hunt.

02:41:04.000 It's a miserable part of the hunt, but that's just a part of the hunt.

02:41:06.000 I don't even like a fly buzzing around my head when I'm practicing in my backyard.

02:41:10.000 Really?

02:41:11.000 Yeah.

02:41:13.000 Flies will be breeding in the corner of my eye and I'll just hold a conversation and people will be like, dude, I can't talk to you anymore.

02:41:21.000 I'm like, what?

02:41:22.000 What's up? 1.00

02:41:23.000 He's like, there's a fucking fly fucking in the corner of your mouth. 1.00

02:41:26.000 Like, can you shoo it? 1.00

02:41:29.000 You just get used to it.

02:41:30.000 How many days did you guys do that hunt?

02:41:33.000 It must have been eight.

02:41:36.000 I think it was eight in the end.

02:41:37.000 Now, when you decided to climb into that water to cool off, you didn't consider the possibility that there was crocodiles in there?

02:41:45.000 Yeah.

02:41:46.000 The water was muddy.

02:41:47.000 And it's hard to tell you if it's muddy because there's a big saltwater crocodile stirring it up.

02:41:51.000 Because the buffalo go and wallow in every bit of water there is.

02:41:54.000 Right.

02:41:57.000 So, we walk the edge and you look for crocodile slides, croc slides.

02:42:00.000 Doesn't mean there's no crocs there if there's no croc slides, but we walk the edge and there was no croc slides.

02:42:05.000 Now, and Owen's a local.

02:42:06.000 He's a teacher up in the Indigenous community there.

02:42:10.000 He knows the waters pretty well.

02:42:12.000 It's hard to tell if a croc's moved in there over the season or anything like that, but we walk the edge and you're just that desperate to get wet.

02:42:20.000 Cam was even to the point where he's like, can we just die?

02:42:23.000 I'd... 0.93

02:42:24.000 I'd actually prefer to cool off and then die. 0.99

02:42:26.000 Let's just do it. 0.99

02:42:27.000 And then...

02:42:28.000 Wow.

02:42:29.000 And you're the same.

02:42:29.000 Like, you're desperate.

02:42:30.000 It's that hot that you're just desperate.

02:42:33.000 Right.

02:42:33.000 In a sense, I think it was essential to get in the water at that point to get rehydrated, you know, just for skin intake.

02:42:41.000 And...

02:42:43.000 The water was the same temperature as outside.

02:42:45.000 Like, you'd go into the water and you couldn't feel that you're going into liquid because the water's that hot as well.

02:42:50.000 It's just been boiling in the sun.

02:42:51.000 But to lay in there and just chill out in the mud, and every now and then you'd, because it's all muddy bottom, every now and then you'd sort of push the mud out and it would release some cooler waters that sort of hadn't been cooked by the sun.

02:43:01.000 It'd be like, oh, ha, ha, ha.

02:43:05.000 That's what I mean. 1.00

02:43:06.000 You really have to go through that shit to appreciate things in life. 0.99

02:43:10.000 And one of those things that I just appreciated in life was pushing through the mud and getting a little bit cooler water, you know? 1.00

02:43:14.000 It's like, oh, this is paradise. 0.99

02:43:16.000 And then two seconds later, you're like, oh, this is as uncomfortable as shit, you know? 0.99

02:43:20.000 Well, the fact that people lived that way and struggled through those kind of environments and those kind of temperatures for untold years before they ever figured out ice. 0.99

02:43:29.000 Ah, ice.

02:43:30.000 Refrigerator.

02:43:31.000 Eskimos.

02:43:31.000 Air conditioning.

02:43:32.000 Not Eskimos. 1.00

02:43:33.000 They were like, heat, baby, heat.

02:43:35.000 Yeah, that's another extreme.

02:43:37.000 Have you ever seen when people go up there and go hunting in like Nunavac?

02:43:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:43:42.000 They go hunting for those fucking big hairy things. 0.99

02:43:46.000 What's those big hairy things? 1.00

02:43:48.000 Ox.

02:43:49.000 Yeah, muskox. 0.97

02:43:50.000 That thing is ridiculous. 0.98

02:43:51.000 That looks like a Star Wars animal. 0.99

02:43:53.000 Yeah, it does, yeah.

02:43:54.000 It doesn't even look real.

02:43:55.000 Cut the guts open and crawl in and get warm.

02:43:56.000 Yeah, I mean, I've seen those things, and you just go, okay, so people live up there, and they hunt those things, and then they live down where you are, and they hope for cool mud.

02:44:09.000 Those buffalo that we hunt, it'll be like you'll think, ah, there's not going to be anything out anywhere today.

02:44:14.000 It's stinking hot.

02:44:15.000 Everything will be in the shade under a tree or tucked under a riverbank or something like that.

02:44:19.000 Those buffalo, as black as they are, will be standing out in the open, complete sun, just grazing, nothing even bothering them.

02:44:27.000 Now, most people listening to this have no idea what a scrub bull is. 1.00

02:44:31.000 They hear the term scrub bull, they don't know what it means, but it's a domestic cow.

02:44:35.000 Basically, a domestic cow that's gone wild over many, many centuries in Australia.

02:44:41.000 They're all interbred, and they're pretty crazy looking. 0.97

02:44:44.000 That's a scrub bull. 1.00

02:44:44.000 Wow! 1.00

02:44:45.000 Look how cool that thing looks.

02:44:47.000 That's like a Brahmin there. 0.99

02:44:48.000 So he's a bit of a breed bull.

02:44:50.000 Look at the back on that thing.

02:44:52.000 What a strange hump.

02:44:53.000 And all it is, is that bull would be living in country where a lot of different other scrub bulls haven't come through. 0.78

02:44:58.000 So it's still a fully wild bull, but...

02:45:00.000 Whoa.

02:45:02.000 Yeah, nice scrubber.

02:45:05.000 Scrubber.

02:45:05.000 What is that one right next to it, Jamie?

02:45:07.000 With the crazy horns, yeah. 0.99

02:45:09.000 Yeah, he's a big boy.

02:45:10.000 Whoa.

02:45:11.000 That's a scrub bill too?

02:45:12.000 Yeah, that's...

02:45:13.000 Man, that's in America.

02:45:14.000 Look at the trees in the background.

02:45:15.000 Those are American trees?

02:45:16.000 Come on.

02:45:17.000 Is that it?

02:45:18.000 It says Canada.

02:45:19.000 Oh, Canada.

02:45:20.000 What is that?

02:45:21.000 Same thing, right?

02:45:23.000 No.

02:45:23.000 They can't even come over here unless we let them.

02:45:26.000 And they don't let us over there if you've got a drunk driving conviction.

02:45:30.000 So they have scrub bulls in Canada?

02:45:32.000 That's weird.

02:45:33.000 I've never seen that before.

02:45:34.000 I thought that was an Australian thing.

02:45:36.000 Yeah.

02:45:36.000 What is that one down there?

02:45:38.000 These people are just fucking shooting their cows. 1.00

02:45:41.000 Yeah, he'd be a scrubber. 1.00

02:45:42.000 Wow, what a weird...

02:45:44.000 Okay, so that's a buffalo.

02:45:47.000 That's not a scrub bowl.

02:45:48.000 Yeah, that's a big water buffalo.

02:45:49.000 What a crazy thing that is.

02:45:51.000 So that is something from Asia, correct?

02:45:54.000 Yep, from Asia.

02:45:55.000 What kind is that?

02:45:56.000 That's a water buffalo.

02:45:58.000 Just called a water buffalo?

02:45:59.000 Yep.

02:46:00.000 So there's a cape buffalo that are from Africa.

02:46:02.000 What is that one, not the lower left corner, but the one right next to it, Jamie?

02:46:07.000 Yeah, what is that? 0.97

02:46:08.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

02:46:09.000 That's a good scrub ball. 0.99

02:46:10.000 See how all the colours vary in that?

02:46:12.000 Because they're a real interbred animal.

02:46:15.000 Interbred with?

02:46:16.000 Other variety of cattle.

02:46:21.000 Now, the meat value is not as good, or the breeding value is not as good, because they're bitsers.

02:46:26.000 They're a bit of this, and they're a bit of that.

02:46:27.000 They're a bit of everything.

02:46:28.000 It's like a dog.

02:46:29.000 You buy a purebred dog...

02:46:31.000 Or you buy a mongrel, which is a couple of different species in one. 0.96

02:46:34.000 What has the big value is the purebred, right? 0.99

02:46:37.000 Right.

02:46:38.000 And it's the same with these cattle.

02:46:39.000 So the big issue with the cattle industry, especially in these northern parts of Australia, is these scrub bulls, these feral cattle, don't have any respect for fences.

02:46:51.000 They'll just walk straight through a fence into a farmer's Yeah. 0.64

02:47:18.000 Roam free and stay out there.

02:47:20.000 They'd eventually become just like that.

02:47:22.000 That's right.

02:47:22.000 So they're just an unchecked species of animal in Australia, the scrub bull.

02:47:26.000 And they're just free to come and go wherever they want.

02:47:29.000 So a lot of farmers really push to shoot them out or get them culled or rounded up or off their property.

02:47:36.000 Aren't they unbelievably aggressive, too?

02:47:38.000 They're super aggressive.

02:47:39.000 More aggressive than a buffalo?

02:47:41.000 Yeah.

02:47:42.000 Wow, why?

02:47:42.000 I wonder why.

02:47:43.000 I don't know.

02:47:44.000 Because they're pissed off because they're interbred. 1.00

02:47:46.000 Really?

02:47:46.000 Yeah.

02:47:47.000 That's definitely not why.

02:47:50.000 They're just a cranky animal.

02:47:51.000 We've also got... 0.99

02:47:52.000 Well, bulls are pretty fucking aggressive. 0.99

02:47:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:47:54.000 I mean, obviously, the bulls... 0.99

02:47:55.000 I'm talking like bull cows that we have in America.

02:47:58.000 That's why people ride them.

02:47:59.000 They only get eight seconds if they're lucky.

02:48:01.000 Yeah.

02:48:01.000 They're trained to be like that, though, right?

02:48:03.000 I don't know.

02:48:04.000 Are they?

02:48:04.000 Some of them are just natural...

02:48:06.000 I don't know.

02:48:06.000 Naturally pissed off.

02:48:07.000 It's a good question, because when you see bullfighters, are those bulls trained to try to fuck up the matador? 0.96

02:48:14.000 I mean, I don't know. 1.00

02:48:15.000 Our scrub bulls would just do that shit off their own back, I can tell you now. 1.00

02:48:18.000 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. 1.00

02:48:19.000 They're really aggressive.

02:48:20.000 We've got bangtang bulls as well.

02:48:22.000 I've heard of those things.

02:48:22.000 Bangtang?

02:48:23.000 Cattle?

02:48:23.000 Or like barley cattle?

02:48:24.000 What's a bangtang? 0.96

02:48:25.000 What does it look like?

02:48:26.000 Jamie will bring one up, no doubt.

02:48:28.000 How do you say it?

02:48:29.000 Bangtang. 0.60

02:48:30.000 Spell it, excuse me.

02:48:32.000 B-A-N-G-T-E-N-G. Bangtang. 1.00

02:48:38.000 Yeah, I believe.

02:48:40.000 It's one word?

02:48:41.000 One word, yeah, bangtang. 0.92

02:48:43.000 So back home, that native lands, they're nearly extinct, so they'll be back home, they'll be back home.

02:48:50.000 Okay, so in Indonesia they're almost extinct, but in America, or rather Australia, they run wild.

02:48:57.000 And they're like a velvet-skinned cattle.

02:48:59.000 Yeah, they run wild.

02:49:00.000 Velvet-skinned.

02:49:01.000 Whoa, look at his skin. 1.00

02:49:02.000 Man, they are a beautiful creature.

02:49:04.000 What a weird-looking cattle. 0.91

02:49:06.000 Yeah, they're such a good creature.

02:49:08.000 Type in...

02:49:10.000 Good hand, outback experience.

02:49:12.000 That's one of my buddies that guides there, for anyone interested.

02:49:15.000 And he's got access to these bangtang on some of the most beautiful country that you've ever seen, like in Northern Australia.

02:49:23.000 Yeah, bring up something from Carl's there.

02:49:25.000 Is that a bangtang?

02:49:27.000 Yeah, he's an old one.

02:49:27.000 See that boss going across the head?

02:49:29.000 It looks like their skin is suede.

02:49:32.000 Yeah.

02:49:33.000 And they will charge on movement.

02:49:36.000 Really?

02:49:36.000 One of those old bulls, if they see movement, they'll prefer to come at you than turn away.

02:49:41.000 Because there's a risk in turning their back to you, right?

02:49:43.000 Right.

02:49:44.000 If you get within a certain distance.

02:49:46.000 And there's Carl there with the Yeti hat on.

02:49:53.000 I shot one last year or the year before with Carl and it comes straight at us and Carl's carrying a big gun like I shot it with a bow and Carl lifted up the gun and he shot this bangtang as it was charging and it literally dropped nine feet from Carl.

02:50:08.000 Like it just looked straight at him and just hammered straight at him.

02:50:11.000 I got a second shot off as it was running and actually broke its leg which made it stumble.

02:50:17.000 And then it just comes straight back up and kept coming to Carl and he pulled the gun up and he shot it straight between the eyes.

02:50:21.000 It was an amazing shot.

02:50:23.000 Yeah, don't hunt one of those with a bow, by the way.

02:50:25.000 That thing, man, they will tear you up.

02:50:28.000 They're a scary critter.

02:50:29.000 What a weird animal. 1.00

02:50:30.000 Well, I guess it's because you fucking shot it with a bow and arrow, too, right? 0.99

02:50:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:50:33.000 Probably very upset with you. 1.00

02:50:34.000 Yeah, probably. 0.74

02:50:36.000 Yeah, I mean, it seems like a crazy idea to shoot one of those things by yourself, though.

02:50:40.000 Like, you almost have to have a rifle backup.

02:50:41.000 Yeah.

02:50:42.000 But if that's the case, why hunt it with a bow?

02:50:45.000 Exactly.

02:50:45.000 If you have to have a rifle backup, you probably only hunt it with a rifle.

02:50:48.000 The first hunt that I did with Buffalo was with a gun.

02:50:50.000 The very first time I went was...

02:50:51.000 Sounds like a good move.

02:50:52.000 No, I had the bow.

02:50:53.000 My buddy had the gun.

02:50:54.000 Oh.

02:50:54.000 Yeah, my buddy Aaron Grant, he's a really good shot, too.

02:50:57.000 So, it was like...

02:50:58.000 Hey, you want to come on this trip with me?

02:50:59.000 It would be good. 1.00

02:51:00.000 You can shoot one. 1.00

02:51:01.000 But in that case, like, why not just hunt with a rifle? 1.00

02:51:05.000 Because you're not going to kill it with a bow that quick.

02:51:07.000 Yes. 0.99

02:51:08.000 It might.

02:51:08.000 You can.

02:51:09.000 You can.

02:51:10.000 95% of the time you can. 1.00

02:51:12.000 That 5% is a motherfucker, isn't it? 1.00

02:51:14.000 So I shot three bulls on that trip. 1.00

02:51:15.000 I got three complete pass-throughs from my arrow, and I got three bulls that died right in view.

02:51:20.000 I didn't have a single issue, you know.

02:51:22.000 But what the rifle done is it got you to go to places that you usually wouldn't, like that bull's out in the open.

02:51:30.000 Yeah.

02:51:46.000 All my other trips since, I've never hunted with rifle backup.

02:51:49.000 But you've got to know your boundaries.

02:51:53.000 There's a big lone bull out there.

02:51:55.000 There's no trees.

02:51:56.000 He's right out in the open. 0.89

02:51:58.000 You take a shot at him.

02:51:59.000 He's the first thing he looks at. 0.96

02:52:01.000 He's going to clean you up.

02:52:02.000 And they do it.

02:52:03.000 That thing happens. 1.00

02:52:05.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:52:06.000 That seems ridiculous. 1.00

02:52:08.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:52:08.000 You're coming to do it. 1.00

02:52:09.000 No! 1.00

02:52:10.000 Bullshit. 1.00

02:52:10.000 No, no, no, no, no, no. 1.00

02:52:12.000 You'll love it.

02:52:13.000 I'm not doing that.

02:52:13.000 You'll lap it up.

02:52:14.000 That doesn't... 0.99

02:52:14.000 What's the least likely to kill you if you shoot it? 0.99

02:52:19.000 Buffalo. 0.98

02:52:20.000 We'll go buffalo hunting.

02:52:21.000 Really?

02:52:21.000 No.

02:52:22.000 No.

02:52:22.000 Hell no.

02:52:23.000 The least likely to kill you? 1.00

02:52:24.000 A friggin' rabbit. 0.99

02:52:27.000 Rabbits are good. 0.98

02:52:27.000 Yeah, rabbits are good. 0.98

02:52:29.000 Come out there Australia to hunt a rabbit.

02:52:31.000 Awesome. 1.00

02:52:32.000 Well, you have to kill a lot of them, don't you? 1.00

02:52:34.000 They're overpopulated. 1.00

02:52:35.000 Yeah, they're overpopulated. 0.78

02:52:35.000 You've got to skewer them. 0.78

02:52:36.000 Yeah. 0.52

02:52:37.000 Get as many as you want.

02:52:38.000 It's a funny thing.

02:52:39.000 As big as that animal is, you know, and me saying, know your boundaries.

02:52:43.000 If you do the right shot on that animal, that's the first thing.

02:52:47.000 You know, you've got to make sure that shot's right, the angle's right, you know, you're confident with your bow.

02:52:51.000 You put that shot into the right spot, then there's no risk because that animal's dead before it gets to you.

02:52:59.000 Staying still after the shot, you know, like I said, I'm not the person to shoot something and go, yes, yes, I shot it.

02:53:03.000 I'm not like that.

02:53:05.000 I think it's a little bit disrespectful even, but it's also...

02:53:08.000 It's also dangerous and it's unpeaceful for the animal.

02:53:11.000 Because you do that, it gives the animal an adrenaline boost.

02:53:14.000 Animals with an adrenaline boost, man, that's a hell reckoning.

02:53:19.000 Especially a buffalo.

02:53:21.000 Yeah, or buffalo.

02:53:21.000 That will carry them.

02:53:23.000 It might make their death longer because they're filled with adrenaline and stuff like that.

02:53:30.000 You shoot an animal and you be quiet.

02:53:32.000 You put the shot in the right spot. 0.85

02:53:33.000 It's so peaceful.

02:53:35.000 I've actually shot things and they've been like, What was that?

02:53:37.000 Put their head down to start feeding again and toppled over.

02:53:41.000 While they're feeding, they don't even know they're hit.

02:53:43.000 That's one of the beauties about bowening.

02:53:45.000 It's that peaceful. 1.00

02:53:45.000 And that's why you don't carry on like a frigging jerk once you shoot something. 1.00

02:53:49.000 Just quiet, nice and humble. 1.00

02:53:52.000 The animal dies peacefully.

02:53:54.000 That's what every hunter should drive for.

02:53:56.000 Yeah.

02:53:57.000 Also, you would have to have the proper equipment, right?

02:53:59.000 If you're going to penetrate the side of a buffalo, you have to have a very strong bow and heavy arrows.

02:54:04.000 Yeah.

02:54:06.000 I like that because you can't tell if you're going to hit a rib on the way in or the way out.

02:54:11.000 And with my setup, like, I mostly shoot 70 pounds when I'm shooting 80 at the moment.

02:54:16.000 And that heavy arrow and a solid one-piece, it's just a solid piece of steel two-blade broaded, those VPA broaded.

02:54:22.000 Shane Doran shoots them as well by Vantage Point Archery.

02:54:25.000 It's 150 grains.

02:54:27.000 That's a heavy broadhead. 0.88

02:54:28.000 Yeah, then it's got a decent insert behind it, like 92 grain insert, and then a nice heavy shaft, and then let's just talk about the 80 pound bow.

02:54:38.000 With that 80 pounds, I can find a rib on the way in on the buffalo, and I can find a rib on the way out, and that arrow's still just going to bust straight through there.

02:54:46.000 Now, how heavy is the arrow?

02:54:49.000 Well, it depends what I'm shooting, but with the 80-pound, I'm shooting 670 grains.

02:54:54.000 Wow.

02:54:55.000 Yeah, and with the 70-pound bow, it's not much different.

02:54:58.000 It's about 620 grains.

02:55:00.000 670 grains is really heavy.

02:55:02.000 Yeah, but it makes a quiet bow, and it makes a punch when it hits animals.

02:55:05.000 And how many feet per second are you getting out of that?

02:55:07.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:55:07.000 I don't even get into that technical shit. 0.99

02:55:09.000 Do you do sight tapes or do you do it by eye and then write it on the tape? 0.99

02:55:15.000 No, I've got sight tapes.

02:55:17.000 So how do you calculate your sight tapes if you don't...

02:55:21.000 Well, I've got the Trophy Taker or Option Archery sight now and it's the Option 5 or Option 6 sight.

02:55:28.000 It's got an adjustable pin or you've got all your fixed pins that you flip in place.

02:55:33.000 Now with that one, I just shoot my 20 and...

02:55:36.000 I actually shoot all my pins in, out the 50, and then I match it up with the sight tape, and then I stick that on the bow at the 20-meter mark.

02:55:44.000 So then when I pull the multiple pin out of the way, I've just got the single pin that winds up and down to their marks.

02:55:49.000 Obviously, I shoot it and check it, which I have, and it's spot on.

02:55:52.000 It's perfect.

02:55:53.000 Okay, so you don't do anything like Archer's Advantage, do it through a computer calculation?

02:55:57.000 That's interesting.

02:55:58.000 I just like shooting it all myself.

02:55:59.000 It's so heavy. 0.99

02:56:00.000 I will move each pin for that shot.

02:56:02.000 So I'll shoot in, you know, 0 to 20, the first pin.

02:56:07.000 And then I'll walk back to 30 and I'll shoot and I'll just keep shooting and adjusting that, you know, in tiny little increments if I have to.

02:56:14.000 Do you have a range at your house that you do all this stuff?

02:56:17.000 I do it all up at my farm.

02:56:18.000 You know, I sent you those photos at the time of that cabin that I built.

02:56:21.000 That's amazing.

02:56:22.000 That cabin's incredible.

02:56:23.000 I just got a crazy...

02:56:24.000 I can shoot as far as I like. 0.94

02:56:26.000 Well, let me tell you...

02:56:26.000 We're almost done here, but let me tell you people about your photography, too, because you take some incredible photography when you're out.

02:56:33.000 And you have this book that you made of your photography that I got a chance to look at.

02:56:38.000 Yeah, did I have to bring that along, did I? That's cool.

02:56:41.000 Must have had BearCamp.

02:56:41.000 You brought it somewhere.

02:56:42.000 Yeah, I would have had BearCamp.

02:56:44.000 Yeah, you brought it to BearCamp, but also you sent me to your website too, and I got a chance to look at some of the photos that you have up.

02:56:49.000 Yeah.

02:56:49.000 You take some amazing pictures, man.

02:56:51.000 Yeah, I love it.

02:56:52.000 That's the other thing that I carry in my pack, and people freak because it's the Canon 5D, the Mark III. It's an external flash, spare batteries.

02:56:59.000 It weighs a ton right there.

02:57:00.000 How much does it weigh?

02:57:02.000 Not a ton, but...

02:57:03.000 20 pounds?

02:57:04.000 Yeah, it'd have to be.

02:57:05.000 Is that what you've got?

02:57:06.000 Is that it?

02:57:06.000 Same camera?

02:57:07.000 Oh, can I hold it?

02:57:09.000 Then add a flash, like a big full-size external flash to that, and batteries.

02:57:14.000 This feels heavy.

02:57:14.000 That's a lot in the pack.

02:57:15.000 This feels like it's probably 10 pounds, right?

02:57:18.000 The end result of that is that's how you get those crazy photos.

02:57:22.000 Wow, do you carry a tripod as well?

02:57:24.000 Yeah, I carry a little tripod.

02:57:25.000 Wow.

02:57:26.000 Do you use the same tripod?

02:57:28.000 Wow, look at that photographer.

02:57:31.000 You know, people can actually go to First Man Image, which is another Instagram account that I've got.

02:57:36.000 God, that picture's incredible.

02:57:37.000 And there's a heap of pictures like that on there.

02:57:39.000 Now, this picture is from how long ago, Jamie?

02:57:43.000 That's Idaho.

02:57:43.000 That's just the other day.

02:57:45.000 Yesterday.

02:57:45.000 One day ago.

02:57:46.000 Now, how do you take this photo, like, where you see all those stars?

02:57:49.000 Is it just setting the aperture correctly?

02:57:51.000 Yeah, it's setting the aperture correctly.

02:57:53.000 The lens that I use, it's a Sigma Art lens.

02:57:56.000 It's a 20mm lens, and the f-stop on that lens is only, like, 1.4.

02:58:01.000 Like, that's super, super low, right?

02:58:04.000 What does that mean? 0.96

02:58:05.000 I don't know shit about photography. 0.94

02:58:07.000 Like, your eye being closed up, and then, you know, say an F4, right? 0.97

02:58:11.000 Your eye's really closed up, and an F1.4 would be like that.

02:58:16.000 Like, imagine how much more light and everything you could get in.

02:58:19.000 That's probably a basic way of explaining it.

02:58:21.000 Okay.

02:58:22.000 And then, I will...

02:58:24.000 Oh, so I'll set the camera up.

02:58:25.000 It's got to be on a tripod, because that's like a...

02:58:28.000 Well, there you go.

02:58:29.000 Oh, okay.

02:58:29.000 Jamie's got to explain.

02:58:30.000 Hey, I got it right.

02:58:31.000 It's an F number, Wikipedia...

02:58:34.000 It's like exponentially larger.

02:58:37.000 Every time you drop in an increment, it gets exponentially larger.

02:58:42.000 And then as you go higher in f-stops, it'll get smaller.

02:58:45.000 Okay.

02:58:45.000 There you go.

02:58:46.000 I'm self-taught.

02:58:48.000 I'm not really into the lingo, but there you go.

02:58:51.000 I got it right.

02:58:52.000 So the same thing is with bowhunting.

02:58:54.000 You're self-taught with photography as well.

02:58:55.000 Self-taught, yeah.

02:58:56.000 That's what happens when you live out in the jungle.

02:58:58.000 Fire. 1.00

02:58:58.000 Fucking bangtangs and wild snakes and shit. 1.00

02:59:02.000 So that's obviously set up on a tripod, and it's about a 15-second exposure. 0.99

02:59:07.000 So, you know, it's open for 15 seconds.

02:59:10.000 It gathers in a lot more light. 1.00

02:59:11.000 God damn, that is fucking beautiful. 1.00

02:59:15.000 How many days ago is that from, Jamie? 1.00

02:59:18.000 Six days ago?

02:59:19.000 Yeah.

02:59:20.000 God!

02:59:21.000 That is your tent.

02:59:22.000 What an amazing picture.

02:59:24.000 This is your tent, and your tent looks like, did you have a headlamp inside the tent or something that illuminated it?

02:59:30.000 Yeah, tiny little headlamp.

02:59:31.000 So you left that on.

02:59:32.000 Left that on, set the camera up.

02:59:35.000 God!

02:59:36.000 The stars, man.

02:59:37.000 So that's what you're seeing every night while you're camping up there?

02:59:40.000 Yep.

02:59:40.000 Every night until the moon come in.

02:59:43.000 Man, that's fucking pretty. 0.96

02:59:44.000 I love moonless nights just for that very same reason. 0.98

02:59:48.000 Moonless nights are the best.

02:59:49.000 There's nothing like that view of the Milky Way.

02:59:52.000 It's insane.

02:59:53.000 Hey, if you can, Jamie, if you go back a little bit, you'll see some dead buffalo pictures.

02:59:59.000 Around that time, I was taking some star shots when I was in Arnhem Land.

03:00:04.000 There's no light pollution anywhere up there.

03:00:09.000 The stars with the naked eye, the aperture and everything can come back so much further on those nights because even with the human eye, it's just crazy.

03:00:18.000 Wow.

03:00:19.000 Yeah, it's just lit up.

03:00:20.000 You could actually walk around in the dark just lit off the Milky Way.

03:00:23.000 No moon.

03:00:24.000 You could walk around in the dark up there just because there's so many more stars that you can see.

03:00:29.000 It's crazy and your eyes just open up to it.

03:00:32.000 There's a benefit of bow-hunting, people. 1.00

03:00:34.000 Or the outdoors.

03:00:34.000 Don't even get into bow-hunting.

03:00:35.000 Just go camping in the outdoors.

03:00:37.000 Nah, you might have to go up a little bit.

03:00:39.000 That's pretty cool, though.

03:00:40.000 That was a solo camp that I had.

03:00:42.000 Go up or down?

03:00:45.000 Older.

03:00:46.000 Older.

03:00:49.000 That's a pretty good one.

03:00:51.000 Whoa! 0.71

03:00:53.000 Oh my god. 1.00

03:00:54.000 Check that shit out. 1.00

03:00:54.000 That's like you're in a spaceship. 1.00

03:00:56.000 Yeah.

03:00:57.000 I mean, that really is like a spaceship.

03:00:58.000 Yeah.

03:00:59.000 So yeah, if any of your listeners are into the outdoors and not necessarily killing, because obviously Adam Greentree Bowen has got a lot of harvest kills on it.

03:01:09.000 If you're just into photography, just go to First Man Image.

03:01:12.000 First Man Image?

03:01:14.000 First Man Image.

03:01:14.000 Adam.

03:01:15.000 Oh, Adam.

03:01:17.000 I get it.

03:01:17.000 First man, like Adam and Eve.

03:01:18.000 Do you know how many people didn't get that?

03:01:19.000 Nobody.

03:01:20.000 Me.

03:01:21.000 I'm one of the latest who didn't get it.

03:01:23.000 First man image on what?

03:01:25.000 On Instagram?

03:01:26.000 Instagram, yeah.

03:01:27.000 Do you spell it in some sort of weird Australian way?

03:01:32.000 First.man.image.

03:01:33.000 Is that what it is?

03:01:34.000 I think so.

03:01:35.000 So it's adam.greentree.bowhunter if you're interested in looking at dead animals and stars.

03:01:41.000 And if you just want photography, first.man.image. 1.00

03:01:45.000 And you're a pussy if you only go to that one. 1.00

03:01:47.000 How dare you? 1.00

03:01:49.000 First.man.image.

03:01:50.000 Oh, yeah, man. 0.99

03:01:51.000 Goddamn, you take some pretty pictures, dude. 0.99

03:01:54.000 That's amazing that you're self-taught. 0.98

03:01:55.000 I've been thinking about it lately that I need to get into photography, at least somewhat, to just take pictures other than with my iPhone.

03:02:03.000 That's the best.

03:02:04.000 When you do so much, it's the best way to capture a memory because I can look back on the photos now and go, that's right, how cool is that, or whatever.

03:02:12.000 Sometimes I do so much and I get carried away with doing so much hunting that it's like if I didn't take a photo, I'd actually forget that moment because there's so much happening.

03:02:20.000 And I just love showing it to my kids and friends and people that are interested.

03:02:24.000 It's a really good promotion for the sport.

03:02:27.000 I used to think...

03:02:28.000 Do you call hunting a sport?

03:02:30.000 I don't.

03:02:30.000 I hate that word.

03:02:31.000 But you just used it.

03:02:32.000 I know.

03:02:33.000 Yeah, it's a common word that people use.

03:02:35.000 At least you correct me.

03:02:36.000 I feel like there's a better word for it, like natural life.

03:02:40.000 A natural part of me, or discipline.

03:02:42.000 I think discipline is a better word for it.

03:02:44.000 I hear the sport, like, you know, welcome to the sport, glad you're getting involved in the sport, and I'm like, ooh.

03:02:51.000 So, or we could call it a pastime.

03:02:54.000 I've called it a pastime a lot.

03:02:55.000 Yeah, but a pastime doesn't seem significant enough.

03:02:57.000 It doesn't, yeah.

03:02:59.000 It seems like it's not...

03:03:01.000 I mean, you shoot an elk, is that a pastime?

03:03:03.000 No.

03:03:04.000 It's way more than that.

03:03:06.000 It's like a life experience.

03:03:09.000 Who I am.

03:03:10.000 What we are.

03:03:11.000 And then some, right?

03:03:12.000 Yeah.

03:03:13.000 So, you know, with you getting into the sport... 0.99

03:03:15.000 I'm not going to say it's shit. 0.99

03:03:16.000 See? 1.00

03:03:17.000 With you getting into bow hunting, I guarantee you, you wish you found that 20 years ago.

03:03:22.000 Bowhunting?

03:03:23.000 Yeah.

03:03:24.000 You know what?

03:03:24.000 I'm happy I found it when I found it.

03:03:26.000 Of course.

03:03:27.000 I'm busy.

03:03:27.000 I used to hate the idea of someone's going to go through life and never find this connection.

03:03:33.000 And that's the big push for me to promote bowhunting.

03:03:36.000 I've written for the Australian outdoor magazines for like 12 years now.

03:03:42.000 And a lot of people think it's like a self-promotion.

03:03:45.000 Like, I don't care.

03:03:45.000 I don't care if I didn't have any viewers at all.

03:03:48.000 As long as people were getting that exposure, I was putting that out there for people to go, oh, I should try this.

03:03:56.000 It looks cool.

03:03:56.000 This dude's really enjoying it.

03:03:58.000 Here's the benefits in it and going and doing it because it drives me nuts just thinking that someone should have that connection.

03:04:04.000 They just don't know it yet because a lot of the guys, especially the older guys that I've introduced to bowhunting, Have always been like, man, I would have never known about this before.

03:04:14.000 And they've just got...

03:04:15.000 Now I can't imagine them as anything else but hunters.

03:04:18.000 Because they just thrive on it that much and it's done so much for their lives.

03:04:22.000 Or just the outdoors.

03:04:23.000 Some guys that get into it try and be like, it's not for me, but I really love camping and being out there in the wilderness.

03:04:28.000 And even archery.

03:04:30.000 Yeah, definitely.

03:04:30.000 Just shooting a target for me is like a form of therapy.

03:04:33.000 Yeah, it's like a zen moment.

03:04:35.000 Yeah.

03:04:35.000 Yeah, there's so much concentration going on that it cleanses your mind.

03:04:39.000 And if I can shoot bows for an hour every day, man, it just alleviates stress in some sort of a strange, like, you know, for lack of a better word, zen way.

03:04:50.000 Yeah.

03:04:51.000 That might be the best word for it, actually.

03:04:52.000 What you were talking about earlier, like going out to the wilderness, no technology or anything like that, what it does to the mind is it frees the mind.

03:04:59.000 It's like it resets me.

03:05:01.000 It's like hitting the reset button.

03:05:02.000 It's all good.

03:05:03.000 It's all fresh now.

03:05:04.000 It just gives you time to think.

03:05:08.000 Yeah, and even people that aren't into hunting, I totally understand that.

03:05:11.000 And like I said, I've been really paying attention a lot to people that do these long-term hikes and also overlanding, people that just go on these crazy adventures.

03:05:22.000 Like, they get off the beaten path and they develop these vehicles that are capable of driving over adverse conditions, and they just...

03:05:30.000 Figure out a way to live.

03:05:31.000 Out there in the desert or out there in the mountains.

03:05:33.000 It's fascinating to me because there's a longing, I think, that people have to get away from the concrete, to get away from the electricity, and to just feel the stillness of the actual world.

03:05:47.000 Unencumbered.

03:05:52.000 Uncompressed by civilization and buildings and language. 0.85

03:05:57.000 When you're out there, man, I've never done what you've done, but when you're out there for 11 days, you don't even talk to anybody for 11 days?

03:06:05.000 So this trip I did, because I had internet service at the top, or reception, and I kept doing this Insta stories, you know?

03:06:12.000 Yeah, those were great.

03:06:12.000 Great, by the way.

03:06:13.000 Oh, you were watching them?

03:06:14.000 Yeah, I watched all of them.

03:06:15.000 I wish you'd saved them, though.

03:06:17.000 The thing about extra stories, they disappear. 0.85

03:06:19.000 That absolutely sucks.

03:06:20.000 You know what Hoyt need to do if you're listening? 0.97

03:06:22.000 Next year, send a photographer out or a film dude and we'll film the whole thing.

03:06:26.000 Yeah, but then some dude's going to be talking to you and complaining and farting. 0.88

03:06:29.000 That's the rules.

03:06:29.000 He can't talk.

03:06:30.000 He's got to have his own campsite and shit like that. 1.00

03:06:33.000 He can't jump in if a bear's trying to eat me. 1.00

03:06:35.000 Someone's a pre of the dog.

03:06:36.000 I can't even help you from a bear, huh?

03:06:39.000 So that sucked, but I've had trips where you don't talk to people for days and days on end, and just the fact of coming back into civilization and opening your mouth feels weird.

03:06:50.000 To talk.

03:06:51.000 Oh, it feels absolutely weird.

03:06:53.000 But even when you're talking up there, you're not talking to anybody.

03:06:56.000 No, that's right.

03:06:57.000 Yeah.

03:06:57.000 I mean, you're talking to the phone.

03:06:59.000 You're like, hey, I'm up here.

03:07:01.000 I just heard a wolf.

03:07:01.000 You tend to talk to yourself every now and then.

03:07:03.000 You do.

03:07:03.000 You seriously do.

03:07:04.000 Every now and then, you'd be like...

03:07:06.000 And then you think like, why do they say that out loud?

03:07:09.000 Because you haven't interacted with anyone for so long. 1.00

03:07:11.000 You know, it'll be something like, oh, you fell over, you frigging dummy. 1.00

03:07:14.000 You know? 1.00

03:07:15.000 Right.

03:07:15.000 Which happened a few times.

03:07:16.000 Well, you definitely don't want to break a leg up there. 0.98

03:07:18.000 Nah, you'd be screwed. 0.71

03:07:19.000 Did you bring a satellite phone? 0.98

03:07:21.000 Yeah, I had a satellite phone. 0.99

03:07:22.000 So in case shit goes bad. 0.96

03:07:24.000 Yeah, and it's got an SOS button built into it. 0.99

03:07:28.000 I even say it to Kim, my wife, you don't see that side of things, but I do actually take precautions.

03:07:35.000 I take a sat phone, that's it.

03:07:39.000 There's management within it, but you just don't see it.

03:07:43.000 Listen, dude, there's a very small handful of people, even in the hunting world, that are doing what you're doing, that are taking those kind of crazy adventures and just diving into it.

03:07:54.000 It's awesome, man.

03:07:55.000 I was really blown away by those Instagram stories and following you every day.

03:07:59.000 I follow you several times a day.

03:08:00.000 I would go in and check in on it.

03:08:02.000 That's weird.

03:08:02.000 Make sure everything's going on.

03:08:03.000 Slow up.

03:08:04.000 Awesome.

03:08:04.000 Yeah, that is good.

03:08:06.000 Oh, that's good, because I never see you liking any of my shit. 1.00

03:08:08.000 Oh, man. 0.99

03:08:09.000 I'm like, I hope he's seen this.

03:08:10.000 I should probably like things more.

03:08:11.000 I just look at them.

03:08:12.000 I enjoy them.

03:08:12.000 I need to hit that little heart button.

03:08:13.000 People love you when you hit that heart button.

03:08:15.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:08:16.000 Give a little bit of love.

03:08:17.000 I'll give you a little love.

03:08:18.000 You need to do one of them trips.

03:08:20.000 No, I don't.

03:08:20.000 Yes, you do.

03:08:21.000 Definitely not. 0.92

03:08:21.000 I'm telling you, you'll frigging thrive on it, dude. 0.92

03:08:23.000 It's interesting.

03:08:24.000 I don't think I do, too.

03:08:25.000 Yep, you would.

03:08:26.000 You'd love it.

03:08:27.000 I don't mind.

03:08:28.000 I would like to go and do, you know, like a deep backpack trip, a solo.

03:08:32.000 I don't know about all that.

03:08:33.000 I don't want anybody finding my sneakers.

03:08:36.000 You know what I'm saying?

03:08:37.000 A foot still inside from wolf marks all over it.

03:08:41.000 That would be so ironic if I were eaten by the wolves that I love so much.

03:08:44.000 Yeah, that's funny.

03:08:46.000 Well, hey, brother.

03:08:47.000 Thank you very much for doing this.

03:08:48.000 It was a lot of fun.

03:08:49.000 Thanks for having me on the show.

03:08:49.000 Really appreciate it.

03:08:50.000 It's always cool hanging out with you.

03:08:51.000 I'm glad we got a chance to do this.

03:08:52.000 Awesome.

03:08:53.000 And again, adam.greentree.bowhunter on Instagram.

03:08:59.000 And where else can people get you?

03:09:01.000 first.man.image on Instagram.

03:09:03.000 Or you can find Bo for those on Facebook as well.

03:09:05.000 And you have a website?

03:09:07.000 No website.

03:09:07.000 No website?

03:09:08.000 Yeah.

03:09:09.000 No website and no weirdos, thank you.

03:09:11.000 No weirdos.

03:09:12.000 Alright folks, thank you very much.

03:09:13.000 See you soon.

03:09:14.000 Bye!

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 28, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #853 - Adam Greentree

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