The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #872 - Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson

00:00:00.000 Rogan, experience.

00:00:05.000 And we're live.

00:00:06.000 Gentlemen, here we go again.

00:00:08.000 What's happening?

00:00:09.000 Back in the room.

00:00:10.000 A pleasure to see you guys, as always.

00:00:12.000 This is one of my favorite podcasts that we ever do.

00:00:15.000 And this is very timely.

00:00:18.000 Because, first of all, the big New York Times article about the possibility of a comet hitting Los Angeles, the preparations for what they would do if a comet hit Los Angeles, and the comet known as Donald Trump that's hit the United States.

00:00:36.000 He's even got the hair.

00:00:37.000 It's just the whole thing.

00:00:39.000 I mean, if the end of the world was coming, boy, it's all on the wall.

00:00:42.000 You know, the writing's all there.

00:00:44.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:00:45.000 So what's the latest and the greatest?

00:00:47.000 Well, the latest and the greatest is, I mean, last year when we sat down with you, I think it was last November.

00:00:54.000 Yeah, it was almost a year.

00:00:55.000 Got floated in the discussion the idea that this really important comet research that's going on, which is just changing our whole view of history and prehistory and of the future of humanity.

00:01:05.000 That it would be good to make a film about this and crowdfund it.

00:01:08.000 I actually mentioned that to the scientists, and they said what we really need is more funding for our research.

00:01:14.000 And so they've, inspired basically by your show, they have put out a crowdfunding campaign, which is linked on my website.

00:01:23.000 It's the Comet Research Group, and it's a big story right now.

00:01:28.000 So how can people find it really quickly?

00:01:30.000 It's Indiegogo Comet Research Group.

00:01:33.000 Much quicker way.

00:01:34.000 Just go to my website, grahamhancock.com, and there's a revolving banner, which is the Comet Research Group.

00:01:40.000 Click on that, and you're in business.

00:01:42.000 Beautiful.

00:01:42.000 Okay, grahamhancock.com, and then crowdfunding for Comet Research.

00:01:47.000 And so what are they trying to put together?

00:01:50.000 Well, they're wanting to...

00:01:52.000 You see, the thing is, these guys have actually not had any official funding.

00:01:55.000 This is a group of major, highly credentialed scientists who for the last decade have been investigating the extraordinary story of a massive series of comet impacts on the North American ice cap 12,800 years ago.

00:02:09.000 That is the global cataclysm that wipes out a whole civilization from prehistory.

00:02:15.000 So that's why it's of interest to me.

00:02:18.000 They're not coming at it from that point of view.

00:02:20.000 They're coming at it from rediscovering something that we've lost about ourselves.

00:02:24.000 Something that's really important to understand the role of cataclysms in the story of the Earth.

00:02:29.000 And they need to do much more research.

00:02:30.000 They need to go back to Greenland and look for the nanodiamonds in the Greenland ice cores.

00:02:37.000 There's an ancient city.

00:02:39.000 Which they're not revealing the name of, which they're pretty certain was wiped out by a comet impact about 4,500 years ago.

00:02:45.000 They want to go there and investigate that.

00:02:47.000 So there's a lot of fieldwork they need to do to drive home this hypothesis and to, frankly, put down the opposition because there's been so much opposition to this idea from people with vested interest in other theories.

00:02:59.000 And that's why these guys have not got funding.

00:03:01.000 So the only place they're going to get funding to do this further research is from members of the general public.

00:03:06.000 And that's what we're hoping that will happen.

00:03:09.000 It's called the Comet Research Group.

00:03:11.000 There's a banner on my site and all the links are there to their crowdfunding, to their website, which is full of masses of scientific information, and to their Facebook page as well.

00:03:20.000 It is a very unusual thing, the fact that we know that comets and all sorts of various large objects have impacted the Earth.

00:03:29.000 We see the craters, we know they exist, but it's so rarely discussed.

00:03:34.000 It's so strange.

00:03:35.000 If it wasn't for this article in the New York Times, I can't remember one of the last time it even came up, and it's such a huge issue.

00:03:42.000 It's a massive issue.

00:03:43.000 It's a massive issue.

00:03:43.000 Both Randall and I have really given a great deal of thought to this, and I think, Randall, Point is that catastrophes are the untold story of our past.

00:03:53.000 We were given a little hint of it.

00:03:57.000 February of 2013, Chelyabinsk, Siberia.

00:04:01.000 Remember the event?

00:04:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:02.000 Now that was just a little cosmic speck.

00:04:05.000 Came in, it was about 50 feet in diameter, which is about...

00:04:10.000 And it came in at a fairly low angle.

00:04:12.000 It blew up nearly 18...

00:04:13.000 Get that thing right in front of you.

00:04:14.000 Right in front of me, like this?

00:04:16.000 Yeah, if you flatten it out, it's usually easier.

00:04:18.000 How's this?

00:04:19.000 Is this better?

00:04:19.000 Yeah, sure.

00:04:20.000 There we go.

00:04:21.000 So it came in, I think it exploded 12 miles, about 20 kilometers up in the atmosphere.

00:04:26.000 But it was still enough to damage thousands of buildings.

00:04:30.000 And injure 1,500 people.

00:04:31.000 Now the thing about that one is if it had been slightly larger, if it had come in at a slightly steeper angle, a little bit higher velocity, you could have had thousands of fatalities rather than just injuries.

00:04:43.000 And that would have been major headline news at that point.

00:04:46.000 As it was, it's already forgotten.

00:04:48.000 But you do remember?

00:04:50.000 Yes.

00:04:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:51.000 We may even have talked about that.

00:04:53.000 I believe we did.

00:04:54.000 I think we even showed videos of it.

00:04:56.000 What's fascinating is Russia has so many of those dash cam cameras.

00:05:03.000 That's right.

00:05:03.000 Because they have so much insurance fraud, apparently, over there.

00:05:06.000 People slam into each other all the time, and they want to record it.

00:05:09.000 So we're fortunate enough to have so many of those videos because of that.

00:05:13.000 Which puts it on the record, whereas otherwise it would not be.

00:05:17.000 I think people don't...

00:05:18.000 I don't like to talk about cataclysms and catastrophes, and actually, nor do I. Nobody wants a horrible cataclysm to occur, but this is the point, which is that the prospect of a comet or asteroid cataclysm on the Earth is actually much higher than has been...

00:05:52.000 We should be focusing a bit on this.

00:05:56.000 Well, at least just to heighten awareness of it, and also the possibility that we've been nailed a bunch of times and we've forgotten about it.

00:06:04.000 And this is the big thing that you've been dealing with your entire career, this skepticism about past civilizations.

00:06:11.000 I mean, I got into it with Michael Shermer, who's a friend of mine, who's a very famous skeptic.

00:06:16.000 I got into him with it yesterday.

00:06:19.000 Because I posted that you were going to be on and he started chirping something about civilizations 12,000 years ago.

00:06:26.000 Where's the evidence?

00:06:27.000 I'm like, dude, you're saying this and you don't even know about Gobekli Tepe.

00:06:31.000 So I sent him Gobekli Tepe and literally like five hours later, he wrote something claiming that, well, that was made by hunter-gatherers.

00:06:39.000 It was all just really to sort of suit his narrative.

00:06:41.000 But he doesn't know that.

00:06:42.000 No one knows that.

00:06:43.000 Nobody knows that.

00:06:44.000 They're so determined to keep the existing model.

00:06:47.000 And when new evidence comes in, which can't be explained by the existing model, they just try to explain away the new evidence and not think, maybe it's time to change our theory.

00:06:57.000 This is the unfortunate thing.

00:06:59.000 But cataclysms, a global cataclysm, the massive event that happened 12,800 years ago, the younger Dryas... 0.99

00:07:10.000 We're good to go.

00:07:30.000 I'm quite sure that Shermer is not really educated in the extreme events that have really taken place on this planet in the last 10 to 20,000 years, and what that would do to any kind of evidence.

00:07:43.000 And maybe while we have some time here today, I've brought a few things to try to convey some sense of how extreme some of these changes have been, and how one would actually be quite shocked to find anything Well,

00:07:59.000 Michael Shermer's a brilliant guy. 0.66

00:08:00.000 I don't mean to shit on him.

00:08:02.000 But what is disturbing to me is that his knee-jerk reaction to this, without having any research at all in the subject, not knowing at all about Gobekli Tepe, which was discovered in, what, the 90s? 0.89

00:08:13.000 Yeah.

00:08:13.000 96. So this is, to me, this is something that I've looked at because of you guys in great depth.

00:08:19.000 When I read your book, I was just completely enthralled with this idea of history having some sort of rise and fall and civilization having these resets.

00:08:28.000 So I've been absorbed in it for a long time.

00:08:30.000 But what's fascinating to me is people that consider themselves to be skeptical or, you know, or, I mean, he's a skeptic professionally.

00:08:38.000 Sure.

00:08:38.000 But many people who question anything that's outside of what they've been told, as soon as they hear any sort of a theory outside of what they've been told, they immediately call quackery.

00:08:47.000 Absolutely.

00:08:48.000 But it's a weird knee-jerk reaction to something, especially when you talk about asteroids, that is a very real part of our past.

00:08:56.000 We have a ton of evidence.

00:08:57.000 I mean, there's actual craters that you can look at on Earth.

00:09:00.000 The Moon, which has no atmosphere, is littered with them.

00:09:04.000 And if we look at the Moon as a model for what could possibly have happened to Earth, or at least, you know, some of them, obviously, with the Moon having no atmosphere, it's going to get hit a lot more than we are.

00:09:14.000 Sure.

00:09:15.000 But still, I mean, this is a very real situation that this...

00:09:20.000 This solar system, you know, at least as far as we know, the only solar system that has to deal with this.

00:09:25.000 But we know.

00:09:26.000 This is a real issue.

00:09:28.000 We've seen impacts.

00:09:29.000 Well, it's like you just said.

00:09:30.000 On the one hand, you have Earth scientists looking at the Earth.

00:09:33.000 And what they're realizing is that the Earth is pockmarked with scars.

00:09:36.000 And each of these scars represents a tremendously powerful catastrophe that's happened in the history of the Earth.

00:09:42.000 Now, that's accepted by mainstream science.

00:09:45.000 Major catastrophes have happened in the history of the Earth.

00:09:48.000 But where this thing now is about to come full circle is the recognition that these kinds of catastrophes have also influenced the rise and fall of civilization, and a lot more extremely than has been recognized up to this point.

00:10:02.000 And while geologists and Earth scientists are looking at the surface of the Earth and realizing that etched into the surface of the Earth or imprinted into the surface of the Earth are hundreds of scars, of which undoubtedly are only a small percentage of the total that exists.

00:10:17.000 At the same time, astronomers are looking out into near-Earth space and discovering that We cohabit space with a lot of stuff.

00:10:25.000 It's not as empty as we thought.

00:10:26.000 Just within the last six or seven weeks, we've had two close flybys.

00:10:29.000 Of previously undiscovered asteroids?

00:10:31.000 Of previously undiscovered asteroids.

00:10:33.000 This is the point, because NASA keeps saying, well, we've counted 1,650 asteroids, and none of them are going to hit the Earth in the next hundred years.

00:10:41.000 Well, yeah, that's true.

00:10:42.000 But what about all the ones they haven't counted, which are estimated to run into hundreds of thousands and which haven't been seen yet?

00:10:47.000 And what happens is we see them roughly 10 days before they pass the Earth.

00:10:52.000 That is not enough time to do anything about them.

00:10:55.000 But we have time if we're prepared to be rational and reasonable as a civilization to take care of this issue.

00:11:00.000 Now, when you're dealing with hundreds of thousands of near-Earth objects that are flying around, what are the things that could be done to protect Earth?

00:11:10.000 You can paint.

00:11:11.000 It's low-tech, actually.

00:11:13.000 You can paint one side of the asteroid, affect its albedo so that the sun's rays push differentially on one side rather than the other.

00:11:19.000 That will shift its orbit slightly.

00:11:21.000 It has to be calculated.

00:11:22.000 You can give it a little knock with a rocket, basically.

00:11:26.000 You don't want to blow it up.

00:11:27.000 You don't want to turn, you know, your one big piece of artillery shell into buckshot.

00:11:32.000 You don't want to do that.

00:11:33.000 You want to...

00:11:34.000 You want to move it into a safer orbit.

00:11:36.000 You can mount jets on it.

00:11:37.000 People are looking now to mining asteroids.

00:11:39.000 Of course, our society always goes, our civilization always goes for where the money is to be made.

00:11:45.000 But if we can mine asteroids, we can move asteroids.

00:11:48.000 And the technology is there.

00:11:50.000 And ironically, the most dangerous asteroids are going to be the ones that are the closest to the Earth, which are the most accessible.

00:11:57.000 And the asteroids pretty much have...

00:12:01.000 Unbelievable amounts of resources on them.

00:12:03.000 I mean, pretty much everything that is being mined on the Earth can be found in asteroids, from the hydrocarbons to precious metals to all of these things.

00:12:11.000 And we're not that far away from technologically being able to actually, you know, mount expeditions to asteroids and mine them.

00:12:20.000 And that's the solution I kind of prefer because, again, these things are tremendous sources of Of all kinds of things that would be usable to an expanding civilization, and we could feasibly,

00:12:36.000 within a decade or two, be mining asteroids.

00:12:40.000 And again, the ones that are the easiest to access are also going to be the ones that are more dangerous, because they're the ones that are coming closest to the Earth.

00:12:48.000 So, another point here is that there is one specific danger.

00:12:54.000 There's one specific, if you like, region of the sky that really needs to be looked at.

00:12:58.000 And this is the region of the sky.

00:13:00.000 This is why I wrote Magicians of the Gods, because of this discovery, that there's a thing called the Taurid Meteor Stream, Which is 30 million kilometers wide and which envelops the solar system and the Earth on its orbit around the Sun passes through the torrid meteor stream twice a year.

00:13:17.000 Turns out the torrid meteor stream is the debris of a giant comet that came in to the inner solar system about 20,000 years ago.

00:13:27.000 That thing was at least 100 kilometers in diameter, according to their calculations.

00:13:32.000 It may have been more so.

00:13:33.000 And then, like other comets like Shoemaker-Levy 9, which spectacularly hit Jupiter in 1994, it began to break up into multiple fragments.

00:13:40.000 And those carry on orbiting on the original path.

00:13:43.000 And as they break up more and more, they degrade, and small bits and large bits break off, and it gradually fills up a kind of huge hoop of debris.

00:13:52.000 That the Earth is passing through twice a year.

00:13:54.000 It takes us 12 days to pass through it.

00:13:56.000 We do two and a half million kilometers a day on our orbital path, 12 days to get through the torrid meteor stream.

00:14:02.000 And the scientists of the Comet Research Group have made the point that a big object out of the torrid meteor stream, multiple objects as a matter of fact, was what hit the North American ice cap 12,800 years ago.

00:14:15.000 It looks like there was a second series of impacts 11,600 years ago from the same source.

00:14:20.000 It looks like there were other impacts in the Bronze Age.

00:14:23.000 The most recent, almost definite impact out of the Taurid meteor stream was Tunguska in Siberia back in 1908. That hit on the 30th of June 1908 and that's at the peak of the Taurid June shower when we passed through the Taurids in June and in November.

00:14:40.000 And what they're saying is we really need to focus on this torrid meteor stream.

00:14:44.000 Their calculations are that there are hundreds and hundreds of massive objects in that torrid meteor stream.

00:14:50.000 And, you know, as a comet breaks up into bits, those bits become asteroids, and those asteroids are circling in the torrid meteor stream.

00:14:57.000 And I've likened it to strapping on a...

00:15:00.000 A blindfold and crossing an eight-lane interstate twice a year and just hoping that we don't hit any heavy traffic, you know, that we meet bicycles or motorcycles rather than trucks.

00:15:12.000 But the trucks are out there and what the Comet Research Group scientists are saying is we need now to be in-depth investigating the Taurid meteor stream because it appears to be the hidden hand in human civilization. 0.92

00:15:23.000 It has wiped out episodes of our history in the past and there's no reason to expect that it won't do so again unless we do something about it because the remnants of that original giant comet are still circling in the Taurid meteor stream and they are fucking dangerous.

00:15:38.000 Now, how is this being received in mainstream science?

00:15:41.000 I mean, is there any resistance to this?

00:15:43.000 Because it seems like this is all pretty straightforward and traceable.

00:15:47.000 Mostly being ignored.

00:15:48.000 Mostly being ignored.

00:15:49.000 And why do you think that is?

00:15:50.000 By scientists who have a vested interest in other ideas.

00:15:55.000 First of all, there's a vested interest in not admitting that cataclysms are important at all.

00:16:00.000 This goes right back To really to the 19th century when science began to take shape in the form that we know it now and they wanted to separate themselves off, understandably, from superstition.

00:16:11.000 So they didn't want anything to do with something that sounds like the biblical flood, for example.

00:16:15.000 They felt they would be contaminated by that and they preferred to explain any cataclysmic evidence as a result of gradual processes.

00:16:23.000 So you really think it's because of the reluctance to accept religion or religious ideas or to separate themselves from it?

00:16:29.000 No, I think that's where it started.

00:16:31.000 That's where it started.

00:16:31.000 They wanted to separate themselves off from that.

00:16:33.000 Now they've gone a long way from that, and many, many scientists have got a vested interest in what is called uniformitarianism or gradualism.

00:16:40.000 And they don't like to hear about cataclysms having any major impact on the story of life on Earth.

00:16:46.000 So is it sort of the momentum of these initial desires to escape religious influence that have sort of led them down this path?

00:16:53.000 Yes.

00:16:54.000 And then there are others who have a vested interest in current accounts of global warming.

00:16:58.000 Others who have a vested interest in extinctions taking place now.

00:17:02.000 They want to say that our ancestors were responsible for the extinction of all the mammoths and mastodons and so on and so forth.

00:17:07.000 Whereas the Comet Research Group scientists are saying, no, those huge megafauna of North America were wiped out as a result of the mammoths.

00:17:15.000 There's a massive series of impacts on the North American ice cap.

00:17:17.000 I'm reading a book right now by Dan Flores, a really interesting book called Coyote America.

00:17:21.000 He's a wildlife historian and he is really an expert on all the different forms of wildlife in North America, where they originated, where they migrated to.

00:17:30.000 And one of the more fascinating things about it is he's talking about all these animals that went extinct, you know, 10,000 plus years ago, this mass extinction event, and never once does he bring up cataclysms and there's all these different There's different ideas, and one of the big ones being that human beings with atlatls,

00:17:48.000 which is like really a very weird sort of a spear-throwing device, wiped out the woolly mammoths and all these other animals, and it seems so preposterous. 0.56

00:17:56.000 It's a lunatic idea.

00:18:00.000 You find that hunter-gatherer peoples don't overkill their game. 0.69

00:18:03.000 They hunt them respectfully, they take what they need, and they leave the rest because it's a renewable resource for them.

00:18:08.000 So I don't think hunter-gatherers wiped out the mammoths in North America.

00:18:12.000 The evidence is compelling, it was the comment.

00:18:14.000 Well, the evidence that you brought up when you were here the first time, when you showed the images of all those mammoths that had been literally knocked over with broken legs from the impact of something, mass burial grounds, like these mass, you know,

00:18:29.000 not burial grounds, obviously, but mass casualties.

00:18:34.000 Mortality sites.

00:18:35.000 Mortality sites is a good way of putting it. 1.00

00:18:36.000 That's a good way of putting it.

00:18:37.000 Yeah, in fact, Graham, I visited one up in South Dakota called Hot Springs, where there's just several dozen.

00:18:44.000 Nobody knows how many are actually there, but there's at least several dozen, two species, woolly mammoths and Columbian mammoths, that have been entombed.

00:18:53.000 And while we were there, interestingly, you know, the guide, the woman giving us the tour there was kind of giving a gradualist explanation that, well, over long periods of time, these mammoths wandered into a sinkhole and were too dumb to get out, and so they became entombed.

00:19:09.000 And I asked the question, well, what studies have been done on the sedimentary matrix in which their remains are being found Because as I'm looking at this sedimentary matrix, I'm seeing a massive deposit.

00:19:23.000 In other words, a deposit that was...

00:19:25.000 Instantaneous.

00:19:26.000 Instantaneous.

00:19:27.000 And when I brought that up, she actually got very irritated.

00:19:31.000 Really?

00:19:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:32.000 Dismissed my question.

00:19:33.000 Didn't...

00:19:34.000 Well, we've got it all worked out.

00:19:36.000 We know about that.

00:19:37.000 Well, what is it?

00:19:39.000 Well, we've got it all worked out.

00:19:40.000 And it immediately went on with her narrative.

00:19:43.000 Wow.

00:19:43.000 But yet, I had an article...

00:19:46.000 That was actually written by one of the original scientists that worked on the site, and his description was, well, it could have been that, but also as an alternative, and he used the term bloat and float, that what you had was woolly mammoths that had been caught in a flood,

00:20:02.000 drowned, and their bloated carcasses floated into a depression in the landscape, and that's where they were entombed.

00:20:08.000 And that makes a whole lot more sense to me than the fact that You know, individually, over several thousand years, these mammoths wandered into this sinkhole and then couldn't get out.

00:20:19.000 But you've got to bear in mind, we're talking about, you know, at the end of the last ice age, 120 roughly species of megafauna that disappeared, which is about equivalent to the same number of megafaunal species that inhabits the Earth today.

00:20:32.000 Well, it was a short period of time where something like 65% of the North American mammals went extinct?

00:20:37.000 75%.

00:20:38.000 Very short period of time, right?

00:20:39.000 Very short period of time.

00:20:40.000 Pretty much...

00:20:42.000 Totally coincident with that period called the Younger Dryas.

00:20:45.000 And so there's nothing resembling what we're capable of doing today back then.

00:20:50.000 I mean, when you look at human extinction events, human-caused extinction events, it's very logical.

00:20:55.000 What we're doing today with pollution and the expanse of civilization and weapons are super sophisticated.

00:21:02.000 If we wanted to, we could wipe out a lot of different species. 1.00

00:21:04.000 Yeah, but what we're actually seeing is that at the end of what's called the Balling Alorod, which was the...

00:21:11.000 Gradual warming at the end of the last ice age that preceded the sudden catastrophic change at 12,800 was the Clovis culture that existed for three to five hundred years, I think?

00:21:22.000 Yes.

00:21:23.000 But they suddenly were gone, right?

00:21:26.000 Exactly simultaneous with the mammoths.

00:21:28.000 And then there are interesting studies coming out now showing that, at least continental-wide, there was apparently a major human population crash, exactly coincident with the megafaunal extinctions.

00:21:39.000 Because you had quarries that had been mined for centuries that are suddenly abandoned.

00:21:45.000 You have campsites that had generations of debris and toolkits accumulating and so on, debris from the fluting of the spear points and so on, that are suddenly abandoned.

00:21:59.000 So the evidence actually suggests that the human population crashed, which would certainly imply that they would have been far less capable of wiping out all of these species of megafauna.

00:22:11.000 Also, the studies of their diet and their life ways suggest that they were quite diverse.

00:22:16.000 They were hunter-gatherers, and they focused mostly on small game.

00:22:20.000 They ate a lot of fish, a lot of shellfish.

00:22:23.000 They gathered food.

00:22:24.000 And why would they go after the biggest, most dangerous You know, in the whole array of animals.

00:22:34.000 And with incredible efficiency hunt them to extinction in a hundred years.

00:22:38.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:22:38.000 No, it makes no sense at all.

00:22:40.000 It seems pretty silly.

00:22:42.000 Something else from that time, if I may say, Randall mentioned the Clovis culture.

00:22:46.000 This is, for a very long time, really until just a couple of years ago, All of the mainstream academics in the fields of archaeology and anthropology were saying there were no human beings in North America before, let's say, 13,000 years ago, give or take 500 years.

00:23:02.000 They came across the Bering Land Bridge.

00:23:04.000 The Bering Strait at that time was above water, sea level was lower.

00:23:08.000 They entered the Americas then.

00:23:10.000 They weren't hit there before.

00:23:10.000 Now, in the last two to three years, there's just been a whole raft of new scientific research and no Scientists today is prepared to defend the Clovis model anymore.

00:23:20.000 It's accepted, of course, that there have been human beings in America for 50,000, 60,000 years, and there's weird genetic links.

00:23:26.000 Like, for example, there's a trace that connects Aboriginal Australians with North Americans.

00:23:32.000 They had a common ancestor.

00:23:34.000 It's a very peculiar thing that's going on.

00:23:36.000 And so what happens is that actually these scientific models, which constrain and restrict research for so long, do get overthrown.

00:23:44.000 And that Clovis model is being overthrown, and what the missing piece of the puzzle, I think, for everybody working in this field is the cataclysm, the comet, what happened between 12,800 and 11,600 years ago, which changed everything.

00:23:57.000 Is it bizarre to you guys or frustrating in any way that this is not a mainstream idea?

00:24:02.000 This is very much fringe, but yet it's not something that we don't have any evidence about.

00:24:09.000 Whenever I put out a book Immediately, there's this huge hostile reaction to it.

00:24:16.000 Like the Michael Shermer thing that we were talking about.

00:24:17.000 Like the Michael Shermer thing.

00:24:18.000 I mean, I would say Magicians of the Gods, which I published in 2015, which deals with this whole comet issue, is actually the most thoroughly documented, the most thoroughly referenced book that I've ever written.

00:24:28.000 It's calm.

00:24:28.000 It's measured.

00:24:29.000 They actually don't read it.

00:24:31.000 They just say, oh, Hancock's brought out another book.

00:24:33.000 He's a pseudoscientist.

00:24:34.000 That's what they always call me, or a pseudo-archaeologist. 0.93

00:24:36.000 And it's obviously rubbish because it disagrees with everything that we know.

00:24:40.000 Well, that's the point of the heretic in society, is to offer an alternative view and well-documented evidence. 0.76

00:24:47.000 But it seems that we're dealing with such a deeply ingrained mindset, which is connected in curious ways to power structures in our society, that it's very difficult to change it.

00:24:57.000 Absolutely.

00:24:58.000 And like Graham mentioned earlier, there's kind of a...

00:25:01.000 It went from a religious motive, I think, in the 19th century, and now it's more a political motive.

00:25:06.000 And again, the idea that...

00:25:09.000 Every day you'll find something, you know, coming from various factions that were destroying the Earth, and the Earth has never suffered this kind of, you know, assault on it before, and, you know, we're causing the sixth great mass extinction,

00:25:24.000 and we're going to cause catastrophic global warming if we pump another 50 or 100 parts per million of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and so What that has done is like many, I won't say many, but several of the scientists now that have been in the forefront of criticizing the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis are also very much involved in the global warming movement and The idea that we are now precipitating the sixth great mass

00:25:54.000 extinction.

00:25:55.000 Having looked now at mass extinctions and been really an obsession of mine for about 30 years now, I've looked at everything from the Cretaceous Tertiary to the Permian Triassic, you know, right on down the line to the most recent one, which to me is really in some ways the most interesting because the most recent mass extinction that we're talking about is the one that took place while we humans We're part of the story.

00:26:20.000 Between 12,800 and 11,600 years ago, the Younger Dryas.

00:26:24.000 Yes, the Younger Dryas, which is still an unexplained climate anomaly that happened.

00:26:30.000 And I mentioned this, I think, in previous broadcasts, that, you know, what you had was you had this spasm of extreme warming followed by rapid shifting into extreme cold, literally within a matter of a few years.

00:26:43.000 And we're talking about climate changes that are up to 15 degrees Fahrenheit within perhaps one to five years, which utterly dwarfs anything that we've experienced since the Industrial Revolution began.

00:26:57.000 And we still don't really understand.

00:27:00.000 And that's why this research is so important, because now we understand that there was something cosmic that happened.

00:27:06.000 It's left its imprint in the landscape over, what, four continents, five continents now?

00:27:12.000 Over 50 million square kilometers of the Earth's surface.

00:27:15.000 There's a giant debris field.

00:27:17.000 There's stuff that is only produced by massive impacts.

00:27:22.000 These things come in at 70,000 miles an hour.

00:27:25.000 And, you know, if they have any diameter at all, if they're 100...

00:27:30.000 Metres or more in diameter, they are going to hit the earth really hard.

00:27:35.000 They're not going to burn up in the atmosphere.

00:27:37.000 And when they do, they pack a huge amount of kinetic energy, a huge amount of heat and shock, and that creates very definite chemical products, so nanodiamonds.

00:28:04.000 I don't understand why this is controversial.

00:28:07.000 I really don't.

00:28:07.000 I mean, I do, I understand it, because I know that once people start teaching things, once people start doing lectures and giving speeches, They want to stick to their guns, and they want to somehow or another avoid anything that's going to contradict what they've been espousing for so long.

00:28:22.000 This is a game changer.

00:28:24.000 This information, it changes everything.

00:28:25.000 It changes the way we've looked at our past, it changes the whole story of archaeology, and it changes the way we're going to look at the future.

00:28:32.000 I think that...

00:28:33.000 People in academia are reluctant to embrace that change.

00:28:37.000 And they're afraid of being called pseudoscientists because there's a whole lobby of skeptics who use this word pseudoscientist or pseudo-archaeologist as an instant dismissal of other ideas.

00:28:48.000 And those who are in the profession, they don't want to get tarred with that brush.

00:28:52.000 They want to keep themselves clean and pure.

00:28:54.000 I understand that, but you're talking about hard evidence.

00:28:56.000 Yeah.

00:28:56.000 You're talking about this nuclear glass, you're talking about nano-diamonds, you're talking about core samples that show this massive shift, when you do the ice core samples, massive shift in temperature, and you're talking about very clear evidence of impacts that we know exists.

00:29:10.000 It's not like a comet's a theory.

00:29:12.000 It's not like it's Bigfoot or something.

00:29:14.000 We're looking for the final piece of evidence that shows that a comet is a real thing.

00:29:17.000 Exactly.

00:29:18.000 It's real!

00:29:19.000 It's totally real, but it's so difficult.

00:29:22.000 For those who are invested in other models to accept.

00:29:25.000 And unfortunately, they have the ear of the media.

00:29:28.000 By the way, all the scientists in the Comet Research Group are absolutely mainstream scientists.

00:29:35.000 And they have taken a lot of flack from their colleagues for even daring to investigate this area.

00:29:41.000 That's why they've had no funding.

00:29:42.000 They've had to fund themselves all the way along.

00:29:44.000 That is so crazy.

00:29:45.000 Because this is not a controversial thing in my mind.

00:29:48.000 It should not be.

00:29:49.000 It should not be.

00:29:50.000 This is not an airy-fairy thing.

00:29:51.000 We're not talking about psychics.

00:29:52.000 We're not talking about UFOs.

00:29:54.000 We're talking about something we know exists.

00:29:56.000 So to bury your head in the sand over something like this seems to me so preposterous.

00:30:01.000 Vested interest.

00:30:02.000 Right now, NASA is spending the equivalent of one attack helicopter a year on investigating the comet and asteroid danger.

00:30:10.000 You know, $50 million a year.

00:30:12.000 That's not that much.

00:30:13.000 It's...

00:30:13.000 Peanuts.

00:30:14.000 It's a tiny, it's a minuscule sum.

00:30:16.000 Hundreds of billions of dollars on massive, sophisticated military equipment, which we can use to slaughter one another in ever more sophisticated ways.

00:30:25.000 But just $50 million a year on saving the Earth from a potential cataclysm that could put our civilization back into the Stone Age tomorrow.

00:30:33.000 And I don't mean to keep harping on Michael Shermer because I like Michael, but he highlights this sort of natural inclination to poke fun at something that he has done no research on whatsoever.

00:30:46.000 When I pointed out Gobekli Tepe and I sent him some articles from National Geographic, he went radio silent.

00:30:53.000 He should know about it.

00:30:55.000 It's astonishing the number of people who- For sure, without mocking it.

00:30:58.000 If you're going to mock it, you should actually know what you're mocking.

00:31:01.000 And to say that Gobekli Tepe was created by hunter-gatherers, well, I'm sorry, that's just a theory.

00:31:06.000 That's not a fact.

00:31:07.000 It doesn't seem very reasonable either.

00:31:21.000 It's not enough to say, oh, they were just hunter-gatherers.

00:31:24.000 There was something extraordinary.

00:31:24.000 They moved the stones from a half a mile away.

00:31:26.000 I mean, there's some serious sophistication.

00:31:29.000 I mean, how big were these stones?

00:31:31.000 Well, the biggest one actually is still in the quarry.

00:31:33.000 They left it because it had a fault in it.

00:31:35.000 They clearly intended to move it.

00:31:37.000 50 tons.

00:31:38.000 You're looking at 20-foot-high objects.

00:31:40.000 And then it's the putting together of them.

00:31:42.000 See, here's the problem.

00:31:45.000 Hunter-gatherer societies are not the kinds of societies that produce large-scale fixed monuments.

00:31:52.000 Why?

00:31:52.000 Because they don't generate a surplus.

00:31:54.000 You can't pay for somebody to become an architect of those times, somebody to become an astronomer.

00:32:00.000 You're busy hunting and gathering and that's what you do.

00:32:03.000 Agriculture generates a surplus and that is the problem at Gobekli Tepe because there is no background.

00:32:09.000 This site just appears out of nowhere amidst what appears to be a hunter-gatherer community, but what they're not considering is the possibility we're looking at a technology transfer, that the survivors of a lost civilization, who already had all that knowledge, came to Gobekli Tepe and used that site as a center of initiation to teach the local hunter-gatherers how to do agriculture.

00:32:30.000 And that's now taken as the beginnings of civilization.

00:32:33.000 I would say it is the reinvention or the remaking of civilization.

00:32:37.000 So when we're looking back at Sumer and any artifacts we find in ancient Mesopotamia and that area, Iraq, those are the people that are sort of reinventing and relearning.

00:32:49.000 Well, actually, when we talk of Mesopotamia, which means between two rivers, the Tigris and the Euphrates, Gobekli Tepe is sitting right there in the headwaters between the Tigris and the Euphrates.

00:32:59.000 And we cannot separate that from the later cultures that enter history 5,000, 6,000 years ago.

00:33:04.000 They're part of the lineage that descended from Gobekli Tepe times.

00:33:08.000 And what's fascinating about Gobekli Tepe is the way it doesn't fit, the way there's no background to it, that you would expect to see them practicing.

00:33:17.000 Learning architectural skills.

00:33:18.000 The oldest stuff should be the worst.

00:33:20.000 And as they carry on it gets better.

00:33:22.000 That site ran for a thousand years.

00:33:24.000 The best stuff is the oldest.

00:33:25.000 A thousand years later what they were producing wasn't so good.

00:33:28.000 This is a real anomaly and it needs to be investigated, not mocked by skeptics, but actually explored to consider maybe this does rock the whole paradigm.

00:33:37.000 And it's kind of ironic that in their desire to get away from the ancient myths and tales in the Bible, they've ignored those ancient myths and tales which all talk about cataclysms.

00:33:48.000 Well, part of our modern psychology is to imagine that we are somehow so far advanced from our predecessors that we now represent the pinnacle of civilization, and anything that preceded us has to be looked upon almost as, you know, as if the workings of children.

00:34:05.000 It requires a major psychological shift to admit or accept that our ancestors may have been far, far more sophisticated than we had imagined in our 19th century models, which basically still dominate thinking today.

00:34:21.000 And, you know, in Graham's book he devotes several chapters to the story of one 19th or 20th century heretic, J. Harlan Bretz.

00:34:30.000 And his story, to me, kind of encapsulates the whole process of forcing this paradigm shift.

00:34:37.000 And for years, he was out there exploring this evidence that there had been this tremendous flooding in Washington State.

00:34:44.000 And all of his critics were dismissive without ever even going out and looking at the evidence firsthand in the field.

00:34:50.000 But what he did was he stuck to his guns for three decades and continued to amass evidence to the point where they just couldn't dismiss it anymore.

00:35:01.000 And finally, a group of them went out And begin to explore the landscapes for themselves.

00:35:10.000 And one of the leaders, I think you talked about it in your book, James Gallulli, who was sort of the leader of the skeptic faction that had set out, their sole purpose was to discredit and lay this whole flood heresy to rest once and for all.

00:35:24.000 But he went out in the field, and they spent about eight days in the field.

00:35:29.000 Where he's seeing this evidence for himself over and over again.

00:35:33.000 And when you look at just one piece of it, you might be able to say, okay, there's other explanations for that.

00:35:39.000 But what happens is when you get multiple lines of evidence all converging, and there's no way to individually explain away each one of those things other than just saying, oh, well, it's all coincidence.

00:35:52.000 James Galluli was honest enough so that after a week out there, they were at a place called Palouse Falls in southern Washington, which was one of these areas where these tremendous inland tsunamis swept across the land.

00:36:06.000 And I actually just visited there about eight weeks ago when I took a group of people out there and took them to Palouse Falls to show them right on the spot where James Galluli was standing when he finally had his epiphany.

00:36:19.000 Do you have any images of that that you brought with us?

00:36:21.000 I have images.

00:36:22.000 I can dig them up here, yeah.

00:36:23.000 I sure do.

00:36:25.000 Yeah, I've got some really interesting images to show you.

00:36:28.000 Which relates, because, see, this flooding stuff relates directly to the idea of the impact.

00:36:33.000 And we can get into a little bit of that, explaining how these parallel lines of evidence are now converging.

00:36:42.000 But the interesting thing about Galluli was that In the descriptions of the trip, he wandered off by himself for a long time, away from the group, and was standing there looking at this massive cataract with 400-foot cliffs and this little tiny ribbon of water flowing over it and this huge canyon below it and these big boulders.

00:37:06.000 For a whole week, he'd been seeing this stuff.

00:37:09.000 And it finally got to the point where It was undeniable.

00:37:13.000 And he walked back to the group, and the words out of his mouth, verbatim, were, how could I have been so wrong?

00:37:19.000 And he finally admitted.

00:37:21.000 And that was like a turning point.

00:37:23.000 And now, again, Graham describes this very effectively in the book, how, in a way, the flooding phenomena was hijacked and then placed within this more gradualistic context.

00:37:36.000 Really to avoid the fact that it was something so anomalous and such a departure from our modern experience that we had to look outside of our modern experience to find an explanation.

00:37:47.000 What they wanted to do was find something within our modern experience, and this is the cornerstone of the uniformitarian approach, is that we look for a modern example and then we extrapolate backwards from that.

00:38:00.000 So what they did was they saw, well, In the modern world, we have pro-glacial lakes, lakes that form in front of glaciers, and sometimes these pro-glacial lakes might be held in by an ice dam or another glacier.

00:38:15.000 These ice dams will give away and they will cause pretty catastrophic flooding.

00:38:20.000 They're very common up in Iceland because you've got several volcanoes under the Icelandic ice sheets, and up there they use the term Jokalaups to describe these outburst floods.

00:38:31.000 But here's the thing.

00:38:32.000 When you look at the modern versions of it, you basically are looking at floods that are less than 1,000th of one single flow from these floods we're talking about that happened 12,000 and 13,000 years ago.

00:38:45.000 1,000th.

00:38:46.000 Less than 1,000th.

00:38:48.000 Less than 1,000th in peak discharge and in total volume.

00:38:52.000 And it has been admitted in several places.

00:38:55.000 I've extracted the quote saying, well, we do admit that this is a major extrapolation upwards, but never mind.

00:39:04.000 Never mind, it's so disturbing to me.

00:39:06.000 See, Harlan Bretz, for 30 years, was walking the walk in the Channel Scablands, and what he saw was evidence for, as he called it, a humongous flood, which actually rose and fell within three weeks.

00:39:20.000 And he went through decades of being...

00:39:23.000 He was put aside by his colleagues, insulted, they mocked him, they laughed at him, just as the skeptics do today.

00:39:30.000 But gradually the evidence began to mount and they couldn't deny it anymore, that there had been flooding and actually eventually they gave Harlan Bretz, Jay Harlan Bretz, the Penrose Medal which is the ultimate, you know, The ultimate bestowal of geology in America.

00:39:43.000 He got the accolade.

00:39:45.000 He was more than 90 years old at that time.

00:39:48.000 He said at that time, he said, all my enemies are dead, so I have no one left to gloat over.

00:39:54.000 But the point is, in a way, there was nothing to gloat about because what they did was they separated him from his central idea.

00:40:02.000 Instead of accepting that there had been one huge flood, and that was always his view, They said, oh, there must have been 70 or 80 floods that caused all this damage.

00:40:11.000 And that's what we are seriously challenging right now.

00:40:15.000 It's so ironic in a way that the human desire for knowledge is what has led us to where we are today.

00:40:21.000 We have this insatiable desire for knowledge and for innovation.

00:40:25.000 But that same human desire to achieve is also what...

00:40:31.000 The ego's responsible for that.

00:40:33.000 And the ego blocks anything that's contrary to what you've already established as fact.

00:40:38.000 Exactly.

00:40:39.000 As soon as you see something that might throw a monkey wrench into the gears of what you've been teaching and practicing your whole life, and I know that you've gone through this with Egypt, your whole issue with the Sphinx and with Dr. Shock and John Anthony West, who was on the podcast last month.

00:40:54.000 John was with you just recently.

00:40:55.000 Yeah, he's amazing.

00:40:56.000 By the way, I'm going to be doing an event in New York with John Anthony West.

00:40:59.000 When?

00:41:00.000 On the 29th of November.

00:41:02.000 Where?

00:41:03.000 Again, it's linked on my website.

00:41:05.000 The details are on the Talks and Events page.

00:41:07.000 It's in some church somewhere, but I'm going to give a presentation, and then I'm going to interview John live on stage.

00:41:12.000 First time I've ever done that.

00:41:14.000 I'm kind of podcasting in a way.

00:41:15.000 He's such a character.

00:41:16.000 He's an amazing man.

00:41:17.000 I love that dude.

00:41:18.000 And Magical Egypt is, I think, one of the most important things that anybody could ever watch.

00:41:22.000 I think that DVD series is just insane.

00:41:25.000 It's so spectacular and so fantastic.

00:41:27.000 And next to going to Egypt, which I haven't done, I think that's probably the second best thing.

00:41:32.000 You bet.

00:41:33.000 You bet.

00:41:33.000 And John is an example of why we need heretics.

00:41:36.000 This is the thing, you see, that science today, yes, you're right, we have this thirst for knowledge and its human characteristic, but also we get invested in particular positions.

00:41:45.000 And when people criticize those positions, we take it as an existential threat and where we get all angry and hot and bothered about it.

00:41:51.000 If we allow that to happen too much, if we don't keep a place for heretics in our society, then we're never going to do anything novel. 1.00

00:41:58.000 We're gradually going to get locked down.

00:42:02.000 We need heretics.

00:42:03.000 John has been the leading heretic on ancient Egypt for decades, pointing out that we should listen to what the ancient Egyptians said, that their civilization was not a development.

00:42:14.000 It was a legacy.

00:42:15.000 It was a legacy from the time of the gods.

00:42:17.000 And that casts me back again to this whole issue of a lost civilization.

00:42:20.000 Now, when Gobekli Tepe was discovered, it vindicated you in so many ways, but what are the possibilities, if any, of more of these sites being explored and exposed?

00:42:31.000 Huge.

00:42:31.000 I mean, are there more that people are looking at right now?

00:42:34.000 Are there any that are under the radar?

00:42:36.000 Just a year ago, at the bottom of the Sicily Channel, at a depth of more than 120 feet, it's been underwater for at least 9,000 years, is a huge megalithic site.

00:42:48.000 Before the discovery of Gobekli Tepe, that site could never have been explained.

00:42:53.000 The dating is absolutely definite.

00:42:54.000 The seas rose and covered it at least 9,000 years ago.

00:42:57.000 We don't know how long it stood there before it was covered by the rising seas.

00:43:01.000 But there it sits underwater, and I think underwater discoveries, and I've had a part to play in this over the years, are one of the ways forward.

00:43:09.000 We need to look at those areas.

00:43:10.000 Because there was a 400-foot rise in sea level at the end of the Ice Age, You're looking at the amount of land that would be put together in, say, Europe and China added together.

00:43:20.000 That amount of land was swallowed by those rising seas.

00:43:23.000 And archaeology has largely proceeded without taking account of those lost lands.

00:43:28.000 I'm not saying they haven't looked at all, but they're primarily, in marine archaeology, interested in shipwrecks.

00:43:33.000 Now this megalithic site, is there images of this that we could look at?

00:43:37.000 There are, yeah.

00:43:39.000 I can probably find it.

00:43:43.000 Monolith at the bottom of the Sicily Channel.

00:43:45.000 Try that.

00:43:46.000 Try that.

00:43:47.000 Search on that.

00:43:47.000 Pull that up, Jamie.

00:43:52.000 So what does this look like?

00:43:53.000 And has this been clearly established that this actually is the work of man, that this is not some sort of a yardang or something?

00:43:59.000 Of course there's dispute.

00:44:00.000 Right, of course.

00:44:02.000 The mainstream is not going to just accept this overnight, but again, it's mainstream scientists who found it.

00:44:06.000 They're absolutely certain that they're dealing with a man-made site.

00:44:08.000 There are holes drilled through these megaliths.

00:44:11.000 One of them is very, very large.

00:44:13.000 There's a series of other megaliths round about.

00:44:16.000 It's not a natural thing.

00:44:17.000 So here we're looking at some of it right now.

00:44:20.000 Yeah, so there's that big, big megalith broken into two parts right there.

00:44:23.000 Oh, wow.

00:44:24.000 Yeah.

00:44:25.000 And this we can say, often with archaeological sites, the problem is dating them.

00:44:31.000 You know, for example, there are incredible megalithic temples all over the island of Malta, not far away from this place.

00:44:36.000 Incredible megalithic temples.

00:44:38.000 But they can't date the stone directly.

00:44:41.000 They have to date organic material associated with the stone, and that can give them misleadingly young dates.

00:44:47.000 In a case of a site that's been covered by sea level rise, there can be no argument.

00:44:52.000 Nobody went down there and built that 9,000 years ago.

00:44:55.000 It had to be built before the seas rose, and that puts a minimum age on it of 9,000 years.

00:45:00.000 What are the best images that we can look at?

00:45:02.000 Because right now I'm just seeing rocks.

00:45:04.000 It's very difficult because I'm looking at something very two-dimensional.

00:45:06.000 And I'm afraid that's all you're going to see.

00:45:08.000 Those are the best images of it that exist.

00:45:11.000 Go to the scuba diver one, right above that.

00:45:12.000 That's in Yonaguni.

00:45:13.000 Oh, okay, different one.

00:45:14.000 That's not in the Sicily Channel.

00:45:17.000 So what are the biggest pieces down there?

00:45:21.000 Is it this right here?

00:45:22.000 Is this what you're...

00:45:22.000 Yeah, that big thing there.

00:45:24.000 It's about 30 feet long, I think.

00:45:26.000 And is it...

00:45:27.000 What leads you to believe that this is man-made?

00:45:31.000 The scientists who worked on it, the fact that there are holes drilled through the stone, the fact that you can go to neighbouring areas like Armenia and find really very ancient megalithic sites where they have exactly the same kind of holes drilled through the stones, and the holes seem to have been used for astronomical sightings.

00:45:49.000 Now this site's a mess, it's been knocked over by the sea, it's fallen down, but we're seeing the same thing, big megaliths with holes drilled through them.

00:45:55.000 And you're also dealing with 9,000 plus years of erosion and barnacle growth and all that stuff.

00:46:00.000 All of that.

00:46:01.000 And the ocean is a difficult place to work, you know.

00:46:04.000 It's not easy.

00:46:05.000 Visibility can be bad.

00:46:06.000 You're dealing with currents.

00:46:07.000 There's all kinds of problems.

00:46:08.000 But this is an important discovery.

00:46:09.000 Bring in James Cameron and his crazy little submarine.

00:46:11.000 Bring in James Cameron.

00:46:13.000 Well, I spent seven years scuba diving all around the world looking at this stuff, and, you know, it's pretty convincing in my view.

00:46:19.000 Well, it does make sense that if we do know for a fact, and we do, that the sea level rose dramatically at the end of the Ice Age, it makes sense that some things would be buried under the water.

00:46:30.000 Well, and during the Ice Age, whatever, you know, you don't have to talk about advanced civilizations or anything, but during the Ice Age, living on the coastlines and establishing your villages, communities and everything on the coastlines would have been probably one of the most benign places to get,

00:46:47.000 you know, because for one thing, you're down near sea, the sea level, the presence of the seas is going to, you know, smooth out the climate and so forth.

00:46:56.000 You're going to have probably most cultural development during the Ice Age is going to be close to the sea.

00:47:02.000 So it's going to be underwater now, just like Graham was talking about.

00:47:07.000 And so this, to me, is probably the future of archaeology, is marine archaeology, where a lot of discoveries are going to be made.

00:47:15.000 And that particular thing, I mean, there's a lot of megalithic structures around the world that if you set that thing up like this and put those siding holes through it, would look precisely like.

00:47:27.000 Scrape the barnacles off of it, you know, and no one's saying, oh, it's proven.

00:47:31.000 But what it is, is we have to keep an open mind and say, well, there are some very strong similarities here, so let's investigate this thing further.

00:47:38.000 And that's the whole point of all this, is all of this stuff needs more research.

00:47:43.000 It doesn't need some cavalier dismissal by somebody who's, you know, protecting their own paradigm.

00:47:50.000 It needs more research on all fronts.

00:47:53.000 I mean, because I think that there's enough evidence that is now accumulated to suggest that there is a deep history to the human species on Earth.

00:48:01.000 And we're just beginning to really appreciate how much deeper it really is than the conventional models of history.

00:48:06.000 And rather than just waving an arm and dismissing this...

00:48:11.000 With a skeptical sneer.

00:48:13.000 With a skeptical sneer, exactly.

00:48:15.000 Well, what's interesting is that there is accepted scientific models of humanity when you're talking about supervolcanoes, right?

00:48:22.000 Like the supervolcano of 60,000, 70,000 years ago.

00:48:25.000 Mount Toba.

00:48:25.000 Yeah, I mean, they pretty much accept that that wiped out the vast majority of human beings on Earth.

00:48:31.000 And why is the super volcano hypothesis so easily accepted, but yet the asteroid will impact?

00:48:38.000 Both of them are real events.

00:48:39.000 Both of them are historically documented.

00:48:42.000 In fact, we've never watched a super volcano take over the world, but we've seen asteroids hit other planets.

00:48:49.000 We've actually watched Shoemaker-Levy, like you were talking about before.

00:48:52.000 Bombarding Jupiter, unbelievable.

00:48:54.000 Bigger impact than the planet Earth itself.

00:48:56.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:58.000 Boom! 0.99

00:48:59.000 Yeah, and actually more than 20 impacts.

00:49:02.000 Each one of them would have wiped out all life on Earth if that object had hit the Earth.

00:49:09.000 Strange.

00:49:10.000 Another thing, we were talking about underwater structures, but let's also consider the possibility, and again John Anthony West's work is important here, let's also consider the possibility that we have misidentified a number of structures that are standing in plain view, like the Great Sphinx.

00:49:25.000 Egyptology, read any Egyptological text, any encyclopedia actually, they will tell you that thing was put there by a specific pharaoh, pharaoh Khafre of the fourth dynasty, around about 2500 BC. That is not a fact.

00:49:39.000 That is an opinion, but it's presented as a fact.

00:49:42.000 There is not a single inscription that relates the Sphinx to that pharaoh, not a contemporary inscription, not one dating from 2500 BC. In fact, there's nothing at all.

00:49:53.000 It's just the assumption, because it's close to a pyramid, which they assume the same pharaoh built, again on the absence of evidence, that the Sphinx must have been built by them, but John Anthony West was the first to see.

00:50:05.000 That actually when we look at the Sphinx, we're looking at a highly eroded stone object.

00:50:09.000 And that erosion is very odd.

00:50:11.000 And that's why he brought Professor Robert Schock, professor of geology from Boston University, to Giza in 1992 to look at the Sphinx and say, what actually caused this weathering on the Sphinx?

00:50:21.000 And Schock immediately saw it.

00:50:23.000 What caused it was exposure to a very long period of heavy weathering.

00:50:27.000 Heavy, heavy rainfall.

00:50:29.000 And no such rains have fallen in Egypt in the last 5,000 years, but they did fall during the Younger Dryas.

00:50:36.000 We had a prolonged rainout from this comet impact as that ice cap was pulverized and a massive amount of ice water was thrown up into the upper atmosphere.

00:50:45.000 A prolonged rainout, which could have been the cause of the erosion on the Sphinx.

00:50:48.000 Now, what has occurred new?

00:50:51.000 What discoveries have been discovered in the last year?

00:50:55.000 What is new that we can look at?

00:50:59.000 In terms of archaeology, there's not much new.

00:51:03.000 Gobekli Tepe, at the moment, is in deep freeze.

00:51:07.000 It's right 30 miles from the Syrian border.

00:51:09.000 There's been massive unrest in Shanliurfa, which is the main town.

00:51:15.000 Archaeology is very difficult for them to carry on there.

00:51:18.000 It's basically just frozen.

00:51:20.000 So they've just sort of stopped.

00:51:22.000 They've just kind of stopped, you know.

00:51:23.000 And in fact, there's an amazing number of these sites.

00:51:26.000 Another site I visited for Magicians of the Gods was Baalbek in the Lebanon.

00:51:30.000 Absolutely stunning site.

00:51:31.000 And again, I'm convinced that that site is nuanced.

00:51:34.000 It is, yes, there is a Roman temple there.

00:51:37.000 But they put that temple there because the site was sacred long before.

00:51:40.000 And there's this incredible...

00:51:41.000 U-shaped megalithic wall which surrounds Baalbek, which does not appear to have any connection to the Roman structure at all.

00:51:50.000 Again, that's an area which is subject to tremendous unrest and difficulty, and it's difficult for archaeologists to proceed.

00:51:57.000 But just in 2014, they made a huge new discovery at Baalbek of a buried block which weighs 1,460 tons, Which was sitting there on the site.

00:52:11.000 They've been working that site for a hundred years.

00:52:13.000 They only found it in 2014. 1,000 tons?

00:52:17.000 1,460 tons.

00:52:19.000 Is that 2 million pounds?

00:52:20.000 Is that what that is?

00:52:20.000 I don't know.

00:52:21.000 Maybe Randall's math is better than mine in converting it into pounds.

00:52:24.000 Well, times 2,000 pounds.

00:52:27.000 2,000 pounds to a ton, to an imperial ton.

00:52:32.000 Whatever.

00:52:32.000 Add three zeros on it.

00:52:34.000 Double it and add three zeros on it.

00:52:36.000 It's a horrendous amount of pounds.

00:52:38.000 Put it that way.

00:52:38.000 It's the single largest block of stone ever cut and quarried in the ancient world.

00:52:42.000 And they found this just in 2014. They found it in 2014. Now, there's another big one right beside it, which has been in plain view for about the last hundred years.

00:52:50.000 And it's astonishing to me that this one, which is just below it, was covered by sediment.

00:52:54.000 Do you have an actual calculator?

00:52:56.000 You might be the only person less.

00:52:58.000 I never go anywhere without my calculator, Joe.

00:53:00.000 You have a real calculator.

00:53:01.000 Uh-huh.

00:53:01.000 Nobody has one of those.

00:53:02.000 We were just talking about that yesterday. 0.99

00:53:04.000 We're like, who the fuck buys calculators? 0.98

00:53:05.000 It's not an iPhone, it's an actual calculator. 0.98

00:53:06.000 I'm the last guy on Earth to carry one of these.

00:53:11.000 Wow.

00:53:12.000 So Baalbek was also the site of, I mean, there's many monoliths that have been discovered there, and it's a really fascinating site that many people have sort of overlooked when you talk about ancient structures from the past.

00:53:22.000 Absolutely.

00:53:23.000 I have to resist.

00:53:24.000 I've got nothing against aliens, but I don't need aliens to explain these things.

00:53:31.000 I think a much leaner and more elegant explanation for these huge archaeological anomalies is a lost human civilization.

00:53:39.000 Much better.

00:53:39.000 That's been the case that I've been making for 25 years.

00:53:43.000 I think the alien thing is a bit of a distraction.

00:53:46.000 Of course there's aliens.

00:53:47.000 Of course the universe is full of life.

00:53:49.000 But the ancient archaeological sites are not good evidence for that idea.

00:53:54.000 Unless you massage the evidence a lot.

00:53:56.000 They're not good evidence.

00:53:56.000 I think we are dealing with a lost human civilization.

00:53:59.000 And at Baalbek...

00:54:00.000 20 feet above the ground.

00:54:01.000 We have three blocks of stone joined so closely together that you can't get an edge of a sheet of paper between them.

00:54:08.000 Each one weighs more than 900 tons, and they are 20 feet above the ground.

00:54:13.000 It's a stunning achievement.

00:54:15.000 It's just absolutely astonishing.

00:54:17.000 How on earth did they do that?

00:54:19.000 And how does mainstream archaeology deal with that?

00:54:22.000 They say, oh, the Romans built it all.

00:54:23.000 Ah, the Romans.

00:54:24.000 Yeah, the Romans did it. 0.89

00:54:26.000 The Romans did do some awesome stuff.

00:54:27.000 They did do some awesome stuff.

00:54:29.000 They absolutely did.

00:54:30.000 But this site is separate from the Roman site.

00:54:32.000 It surrounds it, but it's not part of it, in my view.

00:54:35.000 In terms of your question, what's happened within the last year or two, I would think that probably the most significant thing, or certainly right up there, would be the comet research and the discovery.

00:54:45.000 I mean, like this article I have right here, which came out in 2014, so it's not that old.

00:54:51.000 A nano-diamond-rich layer across three continents consistent with major cosmic impact at 12,800 years ago.

00:55:01.000 And it's something like 24, 25 highly pedigreed scientists.

00:55:07.000 And these are the Comet Research Group.

00:55:09.000 These are the scientists from the Comet Research Group who have funded all their research themselves.

00:55:13.000 They came out with another paper in 2015. Where was this published, if anybody wants to read this?

00:55:17.000 That's in the Journal of Geology.

00:55:19.000 Yeah.

00:55:19.000 But then there's the proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences host a lot of their work as well, and the proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences get into trouble for hosting their work, but they feel it's important, so they keep on hosting it.

00:55:30.000 This is so spectacularly confusing to me, because that's rock-solid science.

00:55:34.000 Yeah.

00:55:34.000 I mean, this is evidence.

00:55:36.000 This is actually, you can weigh this stuff.

00:55:37.000 You can measure it.

00:55:38.000 You can run tests on it and find out what its components are.

00:55:42.000 This, to me, is so baffling.

00:55:43.000 Yeah.

00:55:43.000 It's very baffling.

00:55:44.000 They had brought out another paper in 2015. I won't go into the...

00:55:47.000 Some of the details are boring, but it's called a Basian chronological analysis.

00:55:51.000 And basically what they were looking at, they asked themselves, is it possible that this evidence, these nanodiamonds, these melt glass, the carbon spherules, could that have been laid down gradually?

00:56:01.000 And the chronological analysis that they've done absolutely answers that.

00:56:05.000 No, it was not laid down gradually.

00:56:08.000 This whole thing unfolded in a period of about 24 hours.

00:56:11.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:56:13.000 What a night.

00:56:15.000 Yeah, and what had happened, Joe, was that for years, archaeologists had recognized this black mat layer at about two dozen or more of the Clovis sites around North America, which there had been over 50 of them that had been studied.

00:56:33.000 And it was C. Vance Haynes who wrote an interesting paper saying that He was the one who noted that below this black matte layer, which is only two to three inches thick in most sites, you found evidence of the Clovis culture.

00:56:48.000 You found their tool kits and their spear points and so on.

00:56:53.000 You found evidence of the extinct megafauna, but not above it.

00:56:58.000 You would find this evidence of this Cultural activity and the megafauna right up to the bottom of the black mat layer, but not above it. 0.91

00:57:09.000 So what finally happened was in 2007, Richard Firestone and Alan West and some of their colleagues, and it was just basically a small group at that point, took a look at this closer look, and that's when they began to discover these impact proxies,

00:57:25.000 usually right at the base of the layer.

00:57:27.000 And the layer itself is carbonaceous, which suggests that there had been a lot of soot deposited, which would imply widespread wildfires.

00:57:35.000 In fact, there was a study right off the coast of California on the Santa Rosa Islands that pretty much concluded that there was just massive wildfires that pretty much just...

00:57:46.000 It annihilated everything.

00:57:47.000 And then this was preceded by the deposition of this black matte layer.

00:57:51.000 And right at the bottom of this black matte layer is where you find the nanodiamonds, the magnetic grains, the microspherals, the carbonaceous spherals, fullerenes.

00:58:01.000 You find these impact proxies, and they're not all the same at all the sites.

00:58:05.000 In fact, that's been one of the things that the critics have seized upon.

00:58:08.000 But what they're doing is, I think, taking an oversimplified model.

00:58:12.000 And when you look at a comet fragmentation event, you could be looking at the individual pieces, could have very different compositions.

00:58:21.000 And what we were talking about earlier, the torrid meteor stream, I'm not convinced at this point that it was necessarily just a single impact event.

00:58:29.000 It may have been a bombardment episode that may have lasted even several decades.

00:58:35.000 It may have then ceased for a while.

00:58:37.000 And we were talking about this last night over dinner that there seems to be a second spasm At 11,600 years ago.

00:58:45.000 It's also associated with a massive rise in sea level.

00:58:50.000 There's two meltwater spikes, meltwater spike 1A and meltwater spike 1B. I'm quite convinced that these meltwater spikes that have been documented by marine geologists and oceanographers are correlated with these melting events of the ice sheet that I've been looking at in terms of their geomorphic The only way I can describe some of these meltwater events is that the only modern analog to this would be a tsunami.

00:59:19.000 And we've seen some pretty devastating tsunamis within the last decade or two, both in Indonesia and in Japan.

00:59:26.000 And I don't know if you've ever seen any of the videos of these tsunamis.

00:59:30.000 Anybody listening, it is definitely worthwhile to go online and look at some of these videos where you can actually see the unbelievably powerful effects of a 30 or 40 or 50 foot tsunami, right?

00:59:43.000 Now, some of the landscapes, and I have some images we can pull up here shortly.

00:59:49.000 These are places in Montana, Idaho, Washington, where you literally had a tsunami sweeping over the land that was over a thousand feet deep.

00:59:59.000 And that tsunami came off the ice cap.

01:00:01.000 That's not an oceanic tsunami.

01:00:03.000 Right.

01:00:04.000 It's a freshwater tsunami.

01:00:06.000 It's meltwater coming off this catastrophic melting of the ice sheet.

01:00:10.000 And I've traced the sources of some of these meltwater.

01:00:13.000 I've made two trips now up into the plateau country of British Columbia looking for the source of this meltwater.

01:00:19.000 Because in the conventional models now of this flooding that goes back to Harlan-Bretz and basically what they've done is they said initially There could have been no flood because Harlan-Bretz didn't provide a source for the water.

01:00:36.000 The critics said, well, you're saying that all of this evidence in the landscape is evidence of the flood, but what was the source of the flood?

01:00:42.000 And he didn't have a source.

01:00:44.000 So the critics then said, well, you don't have a source for the flood water, therefore the flood didn't take place.

01:00:49.000 Then as the research evolved, you had independent evidence accumulating in western Montana by J.T. Pardee, who was with the U.S. Geological Survey.

01:01:01.000 And he was investigating evidence that the mountain valleys of western Montana had been filled up with an enormous volume of water.

01:01:08.000 And this volume of water seemed to be exactly the same time as Brett's floods.

01:01:14.000 He then assumed that this was a giant lake, and because you can see, and I think we have some images, I think Jamie has some images, so we'll pull them up shortly, where on the mountainside you see the shorelines etched, you know, a thousand feet above the valley floor.

01:01:29.000 And what he then decided was that, based upon an old 19th century interpretation by T.C. Chamberlain, that there had been an ice dam, he said, well, there must have been an ice dam west of here somewhere, in the Clark Fork Valley, A giant lake backed up,

01:01:45.000 burst through the ice dam, and then this is what would have caused Harl and Bretz's floods.

01:01:51.000 So now the geological community is shifting because, number one, the evidence is overwhelming and they can't deny it anymore.

01:01:59.000 But what they're doing is looking for a gradualist or a more uniformitarian explanation.

01:02:04.000 So they immediately latched onto this.

01:02:06.000 Well, there was a giant pro-glacial or in front of a glacial lake.

01:02:12.000 Well, you're talking about somewhere between 520 and 550 cubic miles of water.

01:02:18.000 That's a lot of water, right?

01:02:20.000 And normally, when you have a large lake, you have a huge catchment basin that is feeding lots of streams and rivers that are feeding into that lake.

01:02:28.000 When you look at any of the big lakes around North America, You have the lake, and then you have this big old catchment basin, and all of that's feeding it.

01:02:36.000 In Lake Missoula, the whole lake fills almost the whole catchment basin.

01:02:41.000 It's like, to me, what they did was they said, okay, we're just going to push the source of the water from here over to here, but let's not go into the question of where did the water come from that's filling these mountain valleys of western Montana.

01:02:54.000 And this is what I did.

01:02:56.000 I spent a couple of weeks in September going up into some of these, following these valleys up into British Columbia.

01:03:03.000 And there's spectacular evidence.

01:03:06.000 And it's almost like The American geologists stop at the 49th parallel and they say, well, that's the Canadians preserve up there.

01:03:17.000 We'll let them, they've got their own theories, we've got ours.

01:03:20.000 Interestingly, the Canadians are saying that we think that the water for these floods came from up here.

01:03:27.000 But they don't like that because, you see, one of the leading geologists who's saying that these floods came from Canada is John Shaw, who basically came up with this idea that drumlins, which are these inverted boat hull-shaped landforms that are found by hundreds of thousands in the regions where glaciers were,

01:03:50.000 That they were formed not by the glaciers grinding over the landscape, but they were actually formed by massive subglacial flows of water.

01:03:57.000 And his critics have all been saying, well, here's the problem.

01:04:02.000 What's the source of your water?

01:04:04.000 Therefore, it wasn't water.

01:04:06.000 It wasn't subglacial floods.

01:04:07.000 It parallels Harlan Bretz's story very closely.

01:04:13.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:04:14.000 Shaw and his colleagues couldn't really come up with a plausible explanation for how you could form these massive subglacial reservoirs.

01:04:21.000 In fact, what they call the Livingstone Lake event required 84,000 cubic kilometers of water.

01:04:28.000 And 84,000 kilometers, I can do it really quickly here.

01:04:32.000 We divide that by 36. That's about 2,300 cubic miles of water.

01:04:39.000 That's more than all of the Great Lakes combined.

01:04:42.000 Vastly bigger than all of the Great Lakes combined.

01:04:44.000 It's probably every lake in North America combined.

01:04:47.000 And he said this one event required over 2,000 cubic miles of water.

01:04:53.000 Well, where did that water come from?

01:04:54.000 So he basically said, well, there must have been a reservoir somehow that formed.

01:04:59.000 His critics have said, that's impossible.

01:05:01.000 You couldn't form that much water under the ice sheet.

01:05:05.000 Well, what's happened now is the idea of a major cosmic impact into the ice sheet has completely obviated the need for a subglacial reservoir, because now we have a way of instantaneously melting enormous volumes of ice.

01:05:21.000 It's no longer a mystery where the water came from.

01:05:23.000 It's fully explained and this has been the missing piece of the puzzle until the Comet Research Group began to identify this evidence.

01:05:29.000 Well, it's baffling to me that this is a source of controversy because we know that the Great Lakes were created by melting glaciers.

01:05:35.000 We also know that there's vast areas of North America that are flattened by these glaciers.

01:05:40.000 You know, a buddy of mine, my friend Doug, lives in Cazenovia, Wisconsin, which is what's called the Driftless area, where the glaciers didn't go through.

01:05:48.000 I just was there in May.

01:05:51.000 It's beautiful.

01:05:52.000 It's beautiful.

01:05:52.000 It's gorgeous.

01:05:53.000 Rolling hills, and it wasn't crushed flat like other parts of North America were.

01:06:00.000 Right.

01:06:00.000 So we know.

01:06:01.000 We know that those glaciers melted, and they created the Great Lakes.

01:06:04.000 I mean, the Great Lakes were from glaciers.

01:06:07.000 We know that.

01:06:07.000 That's an established fact.

01:06:09.000 So why is all this confusing?

01:06:10.000 I just don't understand why they wouldn't just add that to it.

01:06:12.000 They're just going to accept the glaciers.

01:06:15.000 Somehow or another, in the last 10,000 years, the glaciers just decided to stop smashing North America flat and melt and create these great inland oceans of fresh water.

01:06:25.000 Bizarre.

01:06:26.000 It's very bizarre.

01:06:27.000 Ultimately, a lot of ideology is involved in this.

01:06:32.000 There's this desire, also in the modern world, there's a desire not to panic the public, not to say things that are going to cause panic, you know.

01:06:41.000 You know, with Donald Trump being president?

01:06:43.000 Don't you think people are ready now?

01:06:45.000 I think people are ready for panic.

01:06:47.000 I think so.

01:06:48.000 Has anybody debated you on this?

01:06:50.000 Either one of you on this?

01:06:51.000 Well, you know, I tried to, but not specifically on this, I tried to do a debate with Zahi Hawass, who's the guy who runs the Giza Pyramids. 0.87

01:06:57.000 He's a madman.

01:06:58.000 Yeah, total, total, I mean, very crazy event. 0.99

01:07:01.000 There's a video of it online.

01:07:03.000 There's a video.

01:07:03.000 It's quite hilarious.

01:07:03.000 There's a video of it online.

01:07:05.000 The debate lasts, what, 30 seconds?

01:07:07.000 Something like that.

01:07:09.000 And then later on, when he finally agreed to come back into the room, because he was so angry with me, he walked out.

01:07:16.000 When he finally came back into the room, he was asked a question about Gobekli Tepe, and just like your skeptic, he didn't know anything about Gobekli Tepe.

01:07:23.000 Well, he claimed not to know about it.

01:07:25.000 I mean, this is supposed to be the world's most famous Egyptologist, and he knew nothing about this incredible site in a neighboring country.

01:07:33.000 We need more.

01:07:33.000 But one point to make.

01:07:34.000 Randall was talking about the second event 11,600 years ago.

01:07:39.000 With an episode of Cataclysm, which begins 12,800 years ago and ends 11,600 years ago.

01:07:46.000 Both episodes accompanied by massive floods.

01:07:50.000 And the 11,600 years ago date, I may have mentioned this last year, it's in Magicians of the Gods.

01:07:55.000 What's interesting about that is that is the exact date that Plato gives us for the destruction of the lost civilization of Atlantis.

01:08:03.000 Plato, that's the only source we have for Atlantis.

01:08:06.000 It comes to us, many people think it's all over the place, but it's not.

01:08:09.000 Atlantis comes to us from the Greek philosopher Plato, who lived around 340 BC. And he got the story through his family line from his ancestor Solon, who had visited Egypt in 600 BC. And there Solon was told of a great civilization that had existed on Earth that was the progenitor civilization of Egypt,

01:08:29.000 but that was destroyed in a terrible cataclysm.

01:08:32.000 And he asked at a cataclysm involving a gigantic flood, and Atlantis was submerged beneath the waves and was never seen again.

01:08:39.000 And so Solon said to the priests, when did this happen?

01:08:42.000 And they said, 9,000 years ago.

01:08:46.000 That was in 600 BC. So that's 9,600 BC. That's 11,600 years ago.

01:08:51.000 That's meltwater pulse 1b.

01:08:53.000 How could they know?

01:08:54.000 How could they now?

01:08:55.000 We have to start taking this stuff more seriously.

01:08:57.000 Instead of sneering at it and skepticizing it out of existence, we need to leave a little bit of room for extraordinary ideas possibly being right.

01:09:05.000 That's the main beef I have with the skeptics, is that they want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

01:09:09.000 I want to add something to that.

01:09:10.000 In Timaeus, Plato discusses Atlantis in two dialogues.

01:09:15.000 And into Timaeus.

01:09:17.000 He prefaces the story of Atlantis by recounting the myth of Phaeton.

01:09:22.000 Now the myth of Phaeton is a very interesting story and Basically, what it is, is Phaeton was the offspring of Halios, the sun god, who was raised, didn't know who his father was.

01:09:33.000 His mother kept it a secret from him, and then one day he was being taunted at school because all of his schoolmates had, you know, recounting the great deeds of their fathers and everything.

01:09:43.000 So he went home distraught, and finally his mother said, well, actually, your father is the big granddaddy of them all, Halios, the sun god.

01:09:50.000 So Phaeton decides he's going to go and find his father.

01:09:55.000 And eventually does, and he goes to some celestial realm where his father is located, The way it is with the Greek gods, they have unlimited powers, except they also have certain restrictions.

01:10:10.000 For example, if a god makes a promise, he or she cannot go back on it, right?

01:10:16.000 So, when Helios sees Phaeton, his lost son, come, he's so overjoyed, he says, I'm so happy to see you, I will grant you any boon you want.

01:10:24.000 And Phaeton says, I want to drive the chariot of the sun.

01:10:27.000 I want to drive your chariot.

01:10:31.000 Helios says, well, I meant anything you wanted except that.

01:10:36.000 So it goes back and forth and back and forth.

01:10:38.000 Finally, Phaeton convinces his father, let me do it.

01:10:42.000 His father says, look, you've got to hang on to those reins tight because those steeds are going to pull away from you.

01:10:48.000 He gets in there, the gates of the sun open, it describes, in the myth, you can go, you know, you can read Edith Hamilton or Bullfinch or any of the great retellings of the Greek myths and they'll describe it in there.

01:11:00.000 It goes through the signs of the zodiac and then all of a sudden it careens off and heads down to earth.

01:11:05.000 And then it describes this whole litany of catastrophes setting the earth on fire.

01:11:09.000 And finally, Jupiter, at the beseeching of Poseidon, who's afraid that the oceans are going to boil away, gets Zeus to mount Olympus and hurl his thunderbolt,

01:11:25.000 which knocks Phaeton from the sky, and he falls to Earth and falls into the river Eridanus, which is a metaphor for the Milky Way.

01:11:34.000 And his sisters, the Heliades, then Weep over the death of their brother and their tears fall to earth and cause the great flood.

01:11:42.000 Plato then, after referencing that myth, he then says, now this has the form of a myth, but what it really represents is a declination or a declining of the bodies in space orbiting around the earth and an eventual falling to earth of one of those bodies and a conflagration of all things triggered by the fall of that body.

01:12:04.000 It's intriguing that he mentions the zodiac.

01:12:06.000 Because the Taurid meteor stream is so cold, because it appears to come at us from the direction of the constellation of Taurus, a zodiacal constellation.

01:12:14.000 That's where those shooting stars, amongst which are some very large objects that have hit us in the past and can hit us again in the future, that's where they come from.

01:12:22.000 They come from that area of the sky.

01:12:25.000 It's actually an illusion.

01:12:26.000 It appears that they're not actually coming from Taurus.

01:12:29.000 It looks like that.

01:12:30.000 They come from that area of the sky.

01:12:32.000 They come from that area of the sky.

01:12:33.000 And so anybody in ancient times who was witnessing, and according to the Victor Klube and William Napier and those guys who are the British neocatastrophists that have been doing all of this work for decades on the torrid meteor shower have concluded that,

01:12:49.000 you know, in times past, it was an extremely active shower and would have created some pretty darn impressive light shows, even if it wasn't causing catastrophes down here below.

01:13:01.000 But what they've conjectured is that there might be times of multiple Tunguska-like impact bombardment, Because there could be thousands of objects within the tarred meteor stream on the same scale as the Tunguska object.

01:13:17.000 And if you go and you read the accounts, the eyewitness accounts, over and over again, people are saying things like, well, it looked like it was being disgorged from the sun.

01:13:26.000 It looked like it was being born out of the Sun, right?

01:13:29.000 It looked like a second Sun in the sky.

01:13:31.000 Like, for a short period of time, the Sun had a twin, right?

01:13:34.000 Well, the summertime taurids are coming from their perihelion passage around the Sun.

01:13:40.000 So, like Graeme was saying, they make an elliptical orbit out to Jupiter and back around the Sun in this stream, right?

01:13:47.000 Earth crosses that stream twice each year.

01:13:49.000 One time, late June, early July, we cross, but at that point, they're coming from the direction of the Sun.

01:13:56.000 So their arrival to Earth is going to be very difficult to see because they're coming from the direction of the Sun, right?

01:14:03.000 But that's exactly where, on June 30th, a torrid meteor would be coming from.

01:14:08.000 And then also the fact that it's the perfect date for the peak of the shower and the The correct place in the sky, to me, is pretty convincing evidence that it was most likely a remnant of that torrid stream.

01:14:21.000 The other time that the Earth crosses is late October, early November.

01:14:25.000 In fact, we've just passed out of it within the last week, basically.

01:14:29.000 But it peaks, interestingly, coincidentally, between, like, October 30th and November 4th or 5th.

01:14:36.000 So it's peaking right around Halloween time.

01:14:39.000 In fact, they've been called the Halloween meteors, and there's some very interesting...

01:14:42.000 Halloween fireworks sometimes.

01:14:44.000 The Halloween fireworks, yeah.

01:14:46.000 But there's some very interesting work done by a researcher back around the early 20th century named Grant Halliburton, who spent about 15 years researching the connections between ancient calendars.

01:15:00.000 And he concluded one thing very interesting was that a lot of these ancient calendars were being synchronized by people's observations of the rise and fall of the Pleiades, which is the shoulder of the bull.

01:15:12.000 The Pleiades comprises basically part of that constellation of the bull.

01:15:18.000 The constellation of Taurus, yeah.

01:15:19.000 Yeah, the shoulder of the bull.

01:15:20.000 And what he came up with was that in his research, he discovered that many of these stories that were associated with the slaying of the celestial bull, you know, Gilgamesh and Enkidu in the earliest And so,

01:15:44.000 what he then found out, though, was that in many cases, our modern Halloween actually goes back thousands of years to an ancient Day of the Dead that was observed all over the Earth, At the same time, every year,

01:16:00.000 even in the southern hemisphere, and it usually revolved around a commemoration of the culmination of the Pleiades, which is when the Pleiades crosses the local meridian.

01:16:11.000 In other words, it reaches the keystone of the royal arch, so to speak, up in the sky.

01:16:16.000 So if you go out on Halloween now and you face the south in the northern hemisphere, you will see the Pleiades right at midnight.

01:16:23.000 At midnight, they will be, if you think of the Arch of the Zodiac as being like a clock, it's right there at midnight, at midnight, right?

01:16:33.000 Well, here's the interesting link, is that in all of these myths, what Halliburton discovered over and over again was that the Day of the Dead ultimately went back to myths of the destruction of the world by a great flood and or fire.

01:16:50.000 It's fascinating that it's all coming out of the constellation Taurus, too, and it's the celestial bull that they're fighting in these ancient myths, and all these cultures around the world are celebrating the Day of the Dead at this exact same time.

01:17:02.000 This is amazing stuff.

01:17:03.000 And right now our science is closing its eyes to this.

01:17:07.000 I think it's fair to say, with the Taurid meteor stream, which is a very big issue in this whole discussion, That we are dealing with a hidden hand in human history.

01:17:15.000 It's something that is going to ultimately require us to re-explain almost everything.

01:17:20.000 The skeptics hate it.

01:17:22.000 They can't bear it.

01:17:23.000 Because, first of all, it involves cataclysms.

01:17:28.000 And secondly, it involves the possibility of losing a whole civilization from the record.

01:17:32.000 It's really...

01:17:33.000 It's really interesting when you look at the dates of this cluster, this episode of bombardment between 12,800 and 11,600 years ago, that's the period that just immediately precedes what mainstream academia think of as the very beginnings of civilization.

01:17:52.000 Maybe it's not even their fault.

01:17:53.000 This is so recent.

01:17:55.000 This science is so new that they've not had time to adapt to it.

01:17:59.000 But if they adapt to it and take this into account, then suddenly what was an extraordinary and absurd and impossible idea, that there was a lost civilization 12,000 years ago, becomes a very plausible and reasonable idea.

01:18:12.000 Once we take that on board, then we can start opening our eyes to archaeological anomalies like the Great Sphinx, like Baalbek, like submerged ruins, like Gobekli Tepe, and begin to consider what does all this mean?

01:18:27.000 Are we in fact a species with amnesia?

01:18:30.000 Are we here forgetful of the truth about ourselves? 0.99

01:18:34.000 Maybe that's why we're so fucked up, you know, because we just actually don't know. 0.97

01:18:37.000 We've made up a story about where we came from and what we are. 0.99

01:18:40.000 I certainly think it plays a part.

01:18:42.000 And I also think that conservative skepticism is probably prudent when you're dealing with most scientific issues.

01:18:47.000 Of course.

01:18:47.000 Most things that come up that people are claiming.

01:18:49.000 I mean, there's so many charlatans out there and crazy people that are claiming new discoveries.

01:18:54.000 But in some cases, they examine these discoveries as long as they're far enough away from us or weird enough.

01:19:01.000 Like this new planet that they believe.

01:19:04.000 They have a 90-plus percent.

01:19:05.000 Planet Nine, yeah.

01:19:06.000 Yeah.

01:19:06.000 They're pretty sure there's something outside past the Kuiper Belt, and they think it's massive.

01:19:11.000 They think it's at least four times maybe larger than the United States, or than, excuse me, the world.

01:19:17.000 Than the world, and got an orbit of about 10,000 years.

01:19:20.000 Yeah.

01:19:20.000 And that's interesting with comets, because this huge massive object circulating in the outer solar system Correctly if I'm wrong,

01:19:38.000 but what is the source of all these near-earth objects?

01:19:42.000 Does it have anything to do with Earth 1 and Earth 2?

01:19:44.000 Does it have anything to do with the initial impact that created the Moon?

01:19:48.000 Because we were hit by another planet, right, during the formation of the Earth, and this is all scientifically established astro-scientists, or astrophysicists rather, and astronomers all agree on that, right?

01:20:00.000 There's a lot of debris that would go back to that time.

01:20:04.000 But comets are another story because they're coming in from the far reaches of outer space.

01:20:09.000 They're coming in from the Oort cloud and the Kuiper panel, just vast distances away.

01:20:14.000 They're voyagers.

01:20:15.000 They're kind of messengers from the distant reaches of the cosmos who come in in an unpredictable way because their orbits are destabilized by something like Planet Nine.

01:20:24.000 Isn't there something called Bode's Law where you can measure the mass and the orbit of a certain planet and you can accurately depict where the next planet is going to be?

01:20:32.000 And doesn't that fall apart somewhere between Mars and Jupiter?

01:20:35.000 With the asteroid belt.

01:20:36.000 Yeah.

01:20:37.000 Which would indicate that something was probably there at one point in time.

01:20:40.000 The asteroid belt, that it was an exploded planet.

01:20:42.000 Of course, there's a lot of opposition to that theory, too.

01:20:45.000 You know, you're right.

01:20:46.000 Skepticism really has an important role to play.

01:20:50.000 It's really essential that we are skeptical.

01:20:53.000 Otherwise, we'd all be following Zachariah Sitchin and waiting for the Anunnaki to land. 1.00

01:20:57.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:20:58.000 We would have sold our houses December 21st, 2012, and we'd all be going, what the fuck? 0.99

01:21:02.000 Now I'm homeless. 0.99

01:21:03.000 Exactly.

01:21:03.000 Four years later.

01:21:04.000 And I have to say, there's a skeptic called Michael Heiser who has done really an excellent job of thoroughly debunking the bogus translations of Zachariah Sitchin.

01:21:14.000 Yeah, is he?

01:21:14.000 SitchinIsWrong.com?

01:21:15.000 Is that him?

01:21:16.000 SitchinIsWrong.com. 0.62

01:21:17.000 It's a very useful site.

01:21:19.000 I hated him and loved him at the same time.

01:21:21.000 So it's so sad.

01:21:22.000 I love the idea of the aliens come down and manipulating the monkeys and making us to mine gold.

01:21:28.000 It's a wonderful story.

01:21:29.000 But unfortunately, it's a work of science fiction.

01:21:31.000 It's not a work of fact. 0.99

01:21:32.000 Damn it, Zachariah. 0.99

01:21:34.000 I knew him. 0.99

01:21:35.000 He was a fascinating man.

01:21:36.000 I once drove him from Stonehenge to London.

01:21:38.000 We had many conversations.

01:21:39.000 He was a deep and serious researcher, but I think he got carried away with his own fantasy.

01:21:46.000 I also think that that fantasy became very lucrative, and it also became a source of identity to him.

01:21:52.000 I followed him pretty closely as well.

01:21:54.000 I read The Twelfth Planet, and I got really into his research, and this is in my early pot smoking days.

01:22:00.000 When I first started smoking pots, I was all in.

01:22:04.000 I was all in.

01:22:05.000 And then as I got wiser and then as I got, I don't know, maybe not wiser, just I started recognizing objectively why these things are so attractive.

01:22:16.000 The fantastical is more attractive than the practical.

01:22:20.000 Something else.

01:22:21.000 Again, I don't want to put Sitchin down, and I'm here also to say that Sitchin did a lot of really good work.

01:22:27.000 He was a clever guy, and he did a lot of very, very, very thorough research.

01:22:31.000 I've just lost my track, actually, smoking too much dope.

01:22:34.000 Where was I going?

01:22:35.000 Well, we were talking about all the difference between the fantastical and the practical, that there's this inclination to accept things that are fun.

01:22:45.000 You know, that's what I was going to say, is that when you start talking about the Anunnaki, those from heaven to earth came, these fantastic creatures from...

01:22:53.000 Thank you.

01:22:53.000 You've brought my memory back.

01:22:55.000 Planet Nibiru.

01:22:55.000 Thank you.

01:22:55.000 I remembered what I was going to say.

01:22:57.000 Maybe you need some pot, because I know Rhonda wants some. 1.00

01:22:59.000 Could be good.

01:23:00.000 What's interesting is that the level of technology that Zachariah attributes to the Anunnaki oblique Nephilim...

01:23:09.000 That that level of technology is the level of technology that we had in the 1970s when we were, you know, NASA was doing its stuff.

01:23:17.000 So it's NASA technology from the 1970s that is projected out onto...

01:23:23.000 Hand it over to Greg.

01:23:24.000 That is projected out onto his theory of the past.

01:23:29.000 Now, it seems to me very unlikely that the Nephilim or the Anunnaki would have had for 400,000 years, which is what he's saying, the same technology that NASA had in the 1970s.

01:23:39.000 It's much more likely that he's projecting that onto the data rather than that it's actually inherent in the data.

01:23:45.000 There was also some interesting ideas that he had that turned out to be ideas that scientists had also proposed about preserving our atmosphere by levitating or by suspending reflective particles in our atmosphere.

01:23:58.000 And that is something that the Anunnaki in his books were going to use gold for, because gold has such unique properties, which is why they use gold to plate things, because you could take a little tiny piece of gold, you could plate this entire table.

01:24:11.000 Gold is a really spectacular I mean, there's nothing like it, right?

01:24:18.000 Absolutely.

01:24:19.000 No, there's a lot of really good material in Sitchin, but unfortunately, the translations of the texts, the translations of the texts are not translations of the texts.

01:24:28.000 They misrepresent the texts.

01:24:29.000 Often what he did was he took a 19th century translation and he massaged it.

01:24:34.000 So that it would, you know, fit his argument.

01:24:37.000 And that's a pity.

01:24:37.000 So we need sceptics and they help us to sift out the wheat from the chaff.

01:24:41.000 But occasionally what the sceptics do with this drive to criticise anything that's not mainstream, occasionally what they do is they let go a really good idea which deserves investigation and which the human species could benefit from.

01:24:56.000 And that's my feeling is we're this amazing species.

01:24:58.000 We've developed all this science.

01:25:00.000 Why are we so ready to let go Full of wonderful ideas.

01:25:05.000 Well, it's also fascinating to me that because of what Sitchin has been sort of criticized for, people now ignore the stuff that's absolutely undeniable, like the actual stone tablets themselves, the clay tablets, where you can see the depictions of the solar system.

01:25:20.000 Somehow or another, these people from 6,000 plus years ago had a detailed map of the solar system.

01:25:26.000 They had a clear idea of the solar system.

01:25:27.000 With the size in like a relatively correct order, and the planets in the right place, like they somehow or another knew that Jupiter was bigger than Mars.

01:25:37.000 They knew these things in some weird way, and we don't know why, and we don't know how.

01:25:42.000 Also, the caduceus representing the double helix of the DNA, that's a really fascinating concept too, that the caduceus is used for medicine, and it's used to...

01:25:53.000 I mean, he had some really interesting points, Zechariah did.

01:25:57.000 So it's kind of too bad.

01:25:59.000 There was so much crazy involved in that.

01:26:01.000 I think what any of us should do when we're exploring the deep and hidden mysteries of the past is to go to a lot of different sources.

01:26:10.000 Don't just stick with the mainstream.

01:26:11.000 Don't just stick with the alternative, but try to bring it all together.

01:26:15.000 And in a way, that's what I try to do in my books, except the skeptics still hate them.

01:26:19.000 Yeah.

01:26:20.000 But it's so hard, because it's so fun to go with the crazy story.

01:26:24.000 Yeah.

01:26:24.000 Like, the alien story is so compelling.

01:26:27.000 It's so fun.

01:26:28.000 Very compelling story.

01:26:29.000 I mean, if we found some sort of evidence of aliens, it would be so utterly spectacular, even if it was a simple alien.

01:26:36.000 Like, I've always said this, that if we found, like, a jellyfish on the moon, we would freak out.

01:26:41.000 But, you know, there's really complex, bizarre things at the bottom of our ocean that we've never discovered.

01:26:46.000 They're just not in the correct location for us to be excited.

01:26:50.000 And then the other issue, we're getting slightly off our flood topic here.

01:26:54.000 That's okay.

01:26:54.000 But the other issue of entities, the encounters with entities, anybody who's smoked DMT will know that As I have, as you have, that will know that you do encounter entities in the DMT state, and they do communicate with us.

01:27:11.000 And there's a lot of parallels with the ETs, or the aliens, as they're described in modern UFO abduction accounts.

01:27:18.000 And Rick Strassman, have you ever had him on your show?

01:27:20.000 You know, Rick got sick.

01:27:21.000 He was supposed to be here a couple of times.

01:27:23.000 We're trying to reschedule it now, but he had some pretty serious health issues.

01:27:27.000 We had a date scheduled out, but I love that guy.

01:27:30.000 I've had a chance to sit down with him a couple of times and talk to him.

01:27:33.000 Of course, you presented DMT this way.

01:27:35.000 Yeah, he's brilliant, and he's so important to me because I remember when I did it, I was so confused. 0.95

01:27:43.000 I mean, to me, it was like my first DMT experience changed everything I thought about the world, and I immediately didn't give a shit about aliens anymore.

01:27:50.000 It was almost instantaneous. 0.98

01:27:52.000 Before then, I was like, Roswell, they've got the ship, man.

01:27:56.000 It's in a hangar.

01:27:58.000 But what I encountered doing DMT was so spectacularly alien that the pedestrian concept of something that looks like a person but has a bigger head and large eyes.

01:28:07.000 And higher tech.

01:28:08.000 Yeah.

01:28:08.000 I mean, as weird and cool as it would be if it was real, it was nothing.

01:28:12.000 I mean, literally not one millionth as interesting as what you absolutely can encounter when you do DMT. That's the alien.

01:28:19.000 That's the aliens, an utterly alien realm filled with alien intelligences.

01:28:24.000 And of course, again, the skeptics say, oh, it's all just made up in your brain, but we don't know that.

01:28:27.000 And Rick is open to the possibility that we are dealing with areas of reality that are not normally accessible to our senses and that become accessible to our senses by retuning the receiver wavelength of the brain, which is what...

01:28:39.000 He suggests DMT does.

01:28:40.000 And I think that's very plausible.

01:28:42.000 And at the very least, those who are interested in UFOs and aliens should be also investigating this line of inquiry.

01:28:48.000 Can we use changes in consciousness to understand the majestic complexity of the universe in which we live?

01:28:55.000 And I think the answer is definitely yes.

01:28:57.000 And many of Rick's volunteers, I paraphrase, but they came back with reports that the entities who'd encountered them said, we are so I'm glad you've discovered this technology.

01:29:07.000 Now we can communicate with you much more easily.

01:29:10.000 You know, it's fascinating.

01:29:12.000 So there's a technology for encountering other intelligences, and against that, this mechanistic, simplistic, alien meme that's going around now that they're a bit like us, but they came here in higher tech, it's dull by comparison with that.

01:29:27.000 Just dull by comparison.

01:29:28.000 If you're interested in anybody, the book is amazing.

01:29:30.000 It's called DMT, The Spirit Molecule.

01:29:32.000 And he has a new book that he's putting out about- DMT and the spirit and the soul of prophecy.

01:29:37.000 Yeah.

01:29:38.000 And he's just a really, really interesting guy.

01:29:41.000 But his experience that he did, experiments that he did were the first, I think, in many, many decades to get approved by the government.

01:29:48.000 Correct.

01:29:48.000 So he did everything above ground.

01:29:51.000 I mean, he was above board.

01:29:52.000 He did, and because it was government approved, his remit was that he had to find some therapeutic benefit for DMT, and he couldn't, actually.

01:30:02.000 But that's not the point.

01:30:03.000 I'm sure, actually, there are therapeutic benefits, but that's not the point.

01:30:06.000 The point is, here is a tool for investigating the mystery of consciousness and the mysterious nature of reality. 0.70

01:30:12.000 And, I mean, fuck me, if we get five or six volunteers who haven't compared notes, all coming back who've met entities who've said, we're so happy you found this technology. 0.96

01:30:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:30:21.000 It's hard to explain that as just to reduce it to brain activity. 0.99

01:30:25.000 Not only that, when we talk about things that are so big and are ignored by mainstream culture, this is one that's just like that.

01:30:33.000 You're talking about an endogenous human chemical that not only is in us, but is in thousands of different plants.

01:30:39.000 I mean, how many different plants contain DMT? Huge number.

01:30:42.000 I mean, very prosaic ones like peas and you know...

01:30:46.000 Well, there's the main story.

01:30:47.000 Acacia, that's what I was gonna say.

01:30:49.000 The Australian National Tree is actually illegal.

01:30:51.000 Isn't that, but the Jerusalem, the professors from the University of Jerusalem, I believe?

01:30:56.000 Benny Shannon.

01:30:57.000 Yeah, what they were talking about, they believe that that's what the story of the burning bush in Moses is.

01:31:01.000 So that is mimosa with the DMT and Syrian rue with the monoamine oxidase inhibitor.

01:31:08.000 In other words, it's ayahuasca.

01:31:10.000 But a Middle Eastern alternative of it, doing the same thing molecularly.

01:31:14.000 And isn't it possible in some way that the idea of the burning bush was them figuring out how to dry or extract DMT and burn it?

01:31:21.000 Very likely.

01:31:22.000 Very possibly, right?

01:31:22.000 Because we're talking about the burning bush producing God, and it just so happens that this bush, the acacia tree is incredibly common and super rich in DMT, and it's all over the area.

01:31:32.000 I should probably insert at this point that if you're at all familiar with the Masonic ritual, you'll know that the acacia plant plays a central role.

01:31:40.000 That's right.

01:31:41.000 You're one of them 1% Mason characters.

01:31:44.000 Every now and then on Facebook, Randall, I get accused of being a Freemason.

01:31:50.000 Hancock is a Freemason.

01:31:52.000 I know several.

01:31:54.000 As though it explains everything.

01:31:55.000 I know lots of Freemasons.

01:31:56.000 I've spoken in Masonic lodges, but I'm an author and I shouldn't belong to clubs, you know.

01:32:00.000 I went to a wedding that my friend Duncan Trussell was performing at for these two Satanists in like 2003. And to this day, it was one of the LaVey's, Anton LaVey or Stanton LaVey, whatever it is, his son.

01:32:15.000 And his son got married.

01:32:17.000 Some young hedonist, you know, and they call themselves Satanists.

01:32:21.000 And so Duncan performed at this wedding, and I went there. 0.99

01:32:24.000 To this day, I get fucking tweets about being a Satanist. 0.98

01:32:27.000 So I can't join your little club, pal. 0.99

01:32:29.000 I can't be one of your masons. 0.99

01:32:31.000 I need to confess here, Graham.

01:32:33.000 Yes.

01:32:33.000 You didn't realize this, but I secretly initiated you.

01:32:36.000 Oh, my God.

01:32:37.000 Oh, you're in.

01:32:38.000 How do you get in?

01:32:39.000 How do you secretly initiate somebody?

01:32:41.000 Can you do that, for real?

01:32:42.000 No.

01:32:43.000 Oh, okay.

01:32:43.000 You scared me.

01:32:44.000 I sort of did.

01:32:45.000 Sort of?

01:32:46.000 You could get him in if you wanted to, though, right?

01:32:48.000 If you know the people.

01:32:49.000 Oh, of course.

01:32:50.000 Even you, Joe.

01:32:52.000 I don't think so.

01:32:52.000 It's not happening, bro.

01:32:54.000 I met a couple of Masons. 1.00

01:32:56.000 They're very cool.

01:32:56.000 Well, most Masons don't really understand the corpus of symbolism that they're sitting on top of.

01:33:03.000 I've got to say that.

01:33:04.000 Not to get off on the Freemasons, but simply, there's a mass of symbolism.

01:33:09.000 And that's the whole...

01:33:10.000 That's the thing that they're custodians of, and most of them don't have a clue what it means, but they're doing an important job by preserving this corpus of symbolism through the layout of the lodge, the meaning of every component in the lodge, because it's a purely astronomical allegory.

01:33:28.000 And then you have the Masonic carpets, and that's where you have the whole story of the comet, the flood.

01:33:33.000 It's all there.

01:33:34.000 The acacia plant, it's all there.

01:33:36.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's also an integral part of how Washington, D.C. was designed.

01:33:42.000 Is that true?

01:33:43.000 Yeah, to some extent.

01:33:44.000 I honestly haven't studied that too much.

01:33:47.000 What I've seen is that there's a bunch of videos where you can watch it, where they sort of describe how the layout...

01:33:54.000 You know, is in some way some sort of sacred geometry and what it's based on.

01:33:58.000 Freemasons were massively involved in the construction of Washington, as they were of many great cities.

01:34:03.000 The city I live in England has got, you know, major Masonic architecture. 0.99

01:34:06.000 So is it like people like me, like my initial prejudice, I hear something like the Masons, like, oh, fucking dude's in a cult. 0.99

01:34:12.000 Get out of here. 1.00

01:34:12.000 Leave me alone. 1.00

01:34:13.000 Like, we assume that all groups of people that follow anything somehow or another are wacky. 0.86

01:34:21.000 Masons, in my opinion, they're largely a drinking club for men. 0.98

01:34:24.000 Mainly that's what it is.

01:34:25.000 They don't let women in at all?

01:34:26.000 But you can make special arrangements to bring women into a lodge.

01:34:29.000 For example, my wife, when I've given a talk in a lodge, I've given talks in two or three lodges, been asked to do so, then they make a special ceremony to allow my wife, Santa, to come in, because I won't go anywhere without Santa.

01:34:41.000 So women can go in, but then there are others within masonry who are pursuing deeply esoteric interests and exploring the mysteries, and you can have incredible conversations.

01:34:52.000 In fact, it's just another group of people who are doing their thing.

01:34:56.000 It's not for me.

01:34:57.000 I wouldn't join.

01:34:59.000 I think if I joined Freemasonry, it would weaken me as an author.

01:35:02.000 I think I'm better able to comment on these things by not being a member of any such group.

01:35:07.000 That's interesting.

01:35:08.000 Why do you think that?

01:35:09.000 Well, because I think I have to remain open to all possibilities.

01:35:12.000 And if I commit myself to a particular line, I don't commit myself to a particular religion.

01:35:17.000 I don't commit myself to a particular men's club either, which is what masonry is. 1.00

01:35:21.000 I think if I commit that, then ultimately I would become a spokesperson for that.

01:35:26.000 And I don't want to be that.

01:35:28.000 That makes a lot of sense, considering your occupation and how important being open-minded has been to your life.

01:35:33.000 It's vital.

01:35:35.000 Absolutely.

01:35:35.000 Without it, how could you have ever done Fingerprints of the Gods?

01:35:38.000 I could not.

01:35:40.000 I mean, the thing, the initial thing where you were telling me about Ethiopia, that place where they believe that the Ark of the Covenant lays, which is one of the most bizarre ideas ever.

01:35:53.000 That was my first book on a historical mystery, was The Sign and the Seal of the Lost Ark.

01:35:57.000 And when you go into it, it's so interesting.

01:36:01.000 But I've always imagined you, as a young guy, forced to sort of reconcile with this bizarre piece of evidence. 0.95

01:36:08.000 You've got these old men that have cataracts in their eyes, like they're on radiation sites, and no one's allowed to go inside and see this thing, and they claim they have the Ark of the Covenant in there, and like, what the fuck is in there?

01:36:20.000 It was the beginning of a magical journey for me. 0.60

01:36:23.000 It's been a magical journey for all your fans, too.

01:36:25.000 For guys like me, man.

01:36:26.000 When I read Fingerprints of the Gods, to me, it was one of those books I just couldn't put down.

01:36:31.000 It was so mind-blowing.

01:36:32.000 And this, again, was in the heart of my...

01:36:34.000 Yeah.

01:36:36.000 Fingerprints was published in 1995 and Magicians came out in 2015 and I would say in that time when I made the case for a lost civilization and a global cataclysm in Fingerprints of the Gods I can't Begin to account for the amount of hostility and anger and rage that I generated in the academic community.

01:36:56.000 And the idea was considered to be absolutely absurd.

01:36:59.000 Twenty years later, with magicians of the gods, it's not so absurd anymore.

01:37:03.000 The evidence is mounting.

01:37:04.000 We have incredible evidence now for a global cataclysm in exactly the period that counts, between 12,800 to 11,600 years ago.

01:37:12.000 And we have sites like Gobekli Tepe.

01:37:14.000 We have a redefinition of the Sphinx.

01:37:15.000 The whole area is just about to Explode in the future.

01:37:20.000 We're on the edge, I believe, of a paradigm shift, and this comet material is central to it.

01:37:25.000 What I really appreciate about your courage is that you've also had the courage to admit when you've made mistakes.

01:37:30.000 You don't in any way pretend to be some sort of No, I'm absolutely not a guru.

01:37:39.000 I don't want to be anything like that.

01:37:40.000 I'm a reporter.

01:37:41.000 That's what I am.

01:37:42.000 And I'm a reporter who's reporting on offbeat subjects.

01:37:45.000 And to some extent, I'm an outsider.

01:37:48.000 So one of the talks I do now is about being an outsider.

01:37:51.000 I think there is a place for outsiders in society.

01:37:54.000 Well, I don't think you're an outsider.

01:37:56.000 I think you're an outsider from the established mainstream ideas.

01:38:01.000 Me and Randall are the same.

01:38:02.000 We're both outsiders in that area and working in different fields to get into this.

01:38:06.000 But don't you think that these established channels that were so deeply grooved in distributing information, those things have widened so wide now.

01:38:15.000 A professor could do a podcast.

01:38:18.000 He could teach a class and he could write a book.

01:38:21.000 Or he can do a podcast on a certain subject.

01:38:25.000 You're aware of Dan Carlin and that Hardcore History podcast, which I just can't stop raving about.

01:38:29.000 But what he's done is brought historical, accurate, but really dramatic stories of real events that took place to millions.

01:38:40.000 Like, you know, that's just that no one's doing that.

01:38:42.000 But it's not mainstream.

01:38:45.000 Well, what's more mainstream than being number one on the iTunes podcast list, which he is all the time?

01:38:51.000 What is more mainstream?

01:38:53.000 And he must be getting millions of downloads.

01:38:55.000 It's part of the big changes taking place in our society.

01:38:57.000 The old structures are being overthrown.

01:38:59.000 They're being thrown away.

01:39:01.000 It's a very uncomfortable time.

01:39:02.000 It's a very uncertain time.

01:39:03.000 It's a very exciting time.

01:39:04.000 Right.

01:39:04.000 Because we can build out of this something amazing in the future.

01:39:08.000 The Internet's had a huge part to play in it, the fact that people can communicate with one another all around the world.

01:39:12.000 Well, since I've had a web presence in the last...

01:39:14.000 I was a late comer, but maybe two to three years ago, I've been getting contacted by, I mean, professionals from around the world.

01:39:22.000 I've got probably a dozen major ones I've...

01:39:25.000 Geologists who want to know more about, and interestingly, you said earlier about debating, you know, I'm always looking for somebody to debate about this.

01:39:34.000 Right.

01:39:34.000 You know, because I have questions and I'm thinking maybe somebody, even somebody who would disagree with me on something could still help me answer some of those questions.

01:39:42.000 Right, right.

01:39:43.000 But I try to associate as much as possible and hang out with professionals in the field.

01:39:49.000 And of course what I discover is that A lot of them are working in these things part-time, almost clandestinely, without making it part of their...

01:39:57.000 If I go on a field trip of geologists into the floodlands, none of them are really working on it full-time.

01:40:04.000 It's all part-time.

01:40:05.000 They're working for the government, they're working for the oil companies, or exploration, mineral exploration, whatever.

01:40:12.000 They're doing this research into geological catastrophes.

01:40:16.000 On their own time.

01:40:18.000 But recently, just last summer, I got invited to actually present some of my research to the Atlanta Geological Society, which is the largest Society of Professional Geologists in the Southeast.

01:40:31.000 So I jumped at the chance, rather than, you know, and so I presented hoping that I would get challenged, that somebody would say, wait a second, there's a flaw in your thinking here.

01:40:41.000 Didn't happen.

01:40:42.000 So did you make friends with some of these mainstream geologists?

01:40:46.000 Oh yeah, well, I mean, I've been known, I mean, I just took a trip in September, spent 10 days back out in the floodlands, and I had a geologist with me on that trip.

01:40:58.000 So yeah, I'm getting to know more and more people who are working as well.

01:41:02.000 You know, I majored in geology in college, so I still am in touch regularly with the head of the geology department.

01:41:09.000 I see her pretty much on a regular basis and have been keeping her apprised of some of my stuff.

01:41:14.000 And she has offered to sponsor me at whatever point I think that I can pull it together as a dissertation.

01:41:21.000 But we'll see how that goes.

01:41:23.000 I mean, my objective was to learn geology, not to become a professional geologist.

01:41:27.000 I wasn't interested in working for the government or working for, you know, the energy industry.

01:41:32.000 I had geological questions, and that's why I majored in geology.

01:41:35.000 And you've walked the walk, and in my opinion, you know more about this stuff than ten fully PhD geologists.

01:41:42.000 Yeah, you always freak me out.

01:41:43.000 So, what's fascinating to me about all of this is that I think what you've done has been very measured.

01:41:52.000 You know, everything you back up with facts and photographs and descriptions and disclaimers.

01:41:57.000 You know, when you say, well, it is possible, you will go down other various paths.

01:42:01.000 You're not dogmatic about these ideas, but you've spent so much time going over this.

01:42:08.000 I don't know if there's another, if there's a commensurate guy in mainstream archaeology that has been public about it the way you have been.

01:42:16.000 Because if there is, I feel like we probably would have heard about him.

01:42:19.000 Your podcasts have been, the ones that we've done, they've been seen by millions of people.

01:42:23.000 They've been listened to by millions of people.

01:42:26.000 I mean, the information's getting out there.

01:42:28.000 It's making a real difference.

01:42:30.000 You're always going to have the guys, like, I think Michael Shermer's very important, I'm not criticizing him, but that knee-jerk reaction to do something, to mock something or put down something that's not mainstream.

01:42:39.000 Like, one of his tweets, he said, you know what archaeology with evidence is?

01:42:44.000 And he wrote, archaeology.

01:42:46.000 Like, why would you even tweet that?

01:42:48.000 That doesn't even make any sense.

01:42:49.000 Like, that's someone who's not paying attention to your work.

01:42:51.000 Because all you do is focus on evidence.

01:42:53.000 I'm reminded of the Shakespearean line, me thinks the lady doth protest too much. 1.00

01:42:57.000 Why does he need to say that it's got the evidence, you know?

01:43:00.000 Or is he tweeting at you?

01:43:01.000 It's like Fox News saying fair and balanced, you know?

01:43:03.000 He's tweeting at you with this.

01:43:05.000 Meanwhile, your entire book is based on photographic evidence and all the other various pieces of evidence.

01:43:12.000 Facts, documents, detailed research.

01:43:14.000 It's all about examining all these pieces of evidence.

01:43:17.000 These aren't things that you've invented.

01:43:19.000 No.

01:43:20.000 These are actual real sites that you can look at.

01:43:23.000 I'm drawing inferences from them that they don't like.

01:43:25.000 That's the thing.

01:43:26.000 Well, Robert Schock and guys like him are so important.

01:43:30.000 Guys who have the courage, who's a Boston University professor, who has the courage to look at the stones and say, this is the product of water erosion.

01:43:40.000 Kudos to Robert Schock as a geologist, as a career academic geologist who's taken that risk and put himself out there and followed the evidence where it leads.

01:43:49.000 Another one is Danny Hillman Natawajaja in Indonesia, who's been responsible for the investigation of this extraordinary site at Gunung Padang.

01:44:09.000 Yeah.

01:44:12.000 We are finding academics who are willing to engage and willing to discuss.

01:44:17.000 I got into a very interesting email correspondence with a guy called Daniel Lohmann at Baalbeck, from the German Archaeological Institute, who's an architect and an archaeologist.

01:44:27.000 And he was very civil with me, and he answered my questions.

01:44:30.000 We went into it in depth.

01:44:31.000 We had quite a long debate.

01:44:32.000 That's very refreshing.

01:44:34.000 That kind of thing wasn't happening 20 years ago.

01:44:36.000 Yeah, that is very refreshing.

01:44:37.000 Now, what about those pyramids in Bosnia?

01:44:41.000 What is the deal with that?

01:44:43.000 I've been there.

01:44:45.000 I know Sam Osmanagic, personally.

01:44:47.000 Sam is the guy who's promoted the site.

01:44:50.000 I like Sam very much.

01:44:52.000 I must say, when I'm in his aura, I'm extremely convinced.

01:44:56.000 But when I look rationally at the so-called pyramids, I don't think they're pyramids.

01:45:02.000 I think they're hills.

01:45:03.000 I did spend, with Sam showing me around, I did spend three days in Bosnia looking at the so-called pyramid of the sun, the pyramid of the moon, the love pyramid and so on and so forth.

01:45:13.000 I do see that a tourist industry has built up around this, and it's a fabulously beautiful, intriguing site, massive, beautiful, mountainous place, but they are hills.

01:45:22.000 They are not pyramids.

01:45:23.000 Impression is given that there are tunnels, passageways inside the pyramids.

01:45:28.000 That's not true.

01:45:29.000 The passageways are about two, two and a half kilometers away.

01:45:32.000 They're very low tech.

01:45:34.000 I just don't see it.

01:45:36.000 And for that reason, I did not cover the Bosnian pyramids in Magicians of the Gods.

01:45:40.000 I'm not going to say they're not pyramids.

01:45:41.000 I'm not going to write a book saying that they're wrong.

01:45:44.000 But they didn't excite me enough to justify devoting a chapter to them.

01:45:49.000 There's much more exciting and important archaeological discoveries that are being made, like Gobekli Tepe, which need more space.

01:45:55.000 And there's some pyramid-like structures or hills in China as well, right?

01:46:00.000 There's thousands of pyramids in China.

01:46:04.000 Xi'an, the province of Xi'an, is just the moment you land there, from your aircraft, you're seeing pyramids everywhere.

01:46:10.000 Really?

01:46:10.000 There are certainly hundreds and hundreds of them, distributed across fields, vanishing off into the distance in all directions.

01:46:19.000 They've been terraced and used as agriculture.

01:46:22.000 Local farmers...

01:46:25.000 I went there with Chinese archaeologists.

01:46:27.000 They haven't excavated a single one.

01:46:30.000 Not one.

01:46:32.000 Why not?

01:46:32.000 They said, we don't have...

01:46:34.000 This was nearly 10 years ago I was there.

01:46:35.000 They probably got the money now, but they said then they didn't have the money.

01:46:39.000 They said, we're an old country.

01:46:40.000 We don't mind if we wait 200 years to get to grips with this.

01:46:44.000 Jesus Christ!

01:46:45.000 And the famous tomb of the first emperor is part of this pattern.

01:46:49.000 It is also a pyramid.

01:46:50.000 It has also not been excavated.

01:46:51.000 The terracotta army around it has been found.

01:46:53.000 The terracotta army is amazing.

01:46:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:56.000 It was on display somewhere, wasn't it?

01:46:58.000 Where you can go and see it live?

01:46:59.000 Yeah, they did some kind of traveling exhibition.

01:47:00.000 I'd want to see that thing.

01:47:01.000 I'd want to look at those things.

01:47:03.000 What a bizarre concept.

01:47:05.000 Now, these pyramids, so this one that this emperor was buried in that had the terracotta army, was that a pyramid as well?

01:47:13.000 It is a pyramid.

01:47:14.000 It is.

01:47:14.000 Absolutely.

01:47:15.000 It's a man-made pyramid.

01:47:16.000 The terracotta army was buried around its edges, not in the pyramid itself.

01:47:22.000 So the army was there to protect him?

01:47:23.000 Yeah, to protect his soul into the afterlife seems to have been the idea.

01:47:28.000 And then there's a mythology that's come down, that within the pyramid is a lake of mercury, that there are mechanical devices in there which will fire arrows at you if you go in, that there's a whole story about how intensely protected it is, and up to this day it's not been excavated.

01:47:44.000 That's so crazy!

01:47:46.000 How could someone leave that alone?

01:47:47.000 And you know, even major archaeological sites like Tiwanaku in Bolivia, for example, you'll find that only about 2% of the site has been excavated.

01:47:55.000 I don't know how we can draw inferences about the whole site from a tiny little fraction like that.

01:47:59.000 And that's the problem, I think, with archaeology, and it's why we have to...

01:48:04.000 You know, consider another way.

01:48:06.000 We're looking at an image of the terracotta army now, in front of this pyramid, and it is spectacular.

01:48:13.000 Now that I think about it, I don't think that was on display anywhere.

01:48:17.000 I think maybe they had a couple of them.

01:48:18.000 They brought some of them.

01:48:19.000 They came to the British Museum.

01:48:20.000 There were a number of museums they came to.

01:48:21.000 But it's so much bigger than I thought it was.

01:48:24.000 I mean, there's thousands.

01:48:26.000 There's thousands of these terracotta figures.

01:48:29.000 Absolutely.

01:48:30.000 And this pyramid was made out of what?

01:48:32.000 Was it stones?

01:48:32.000 Ram to earth, mainly.

01:48:34.000 Okay.

01:48:35.000 So they just sort of shaped the ground.

01:48:38.000 They just dug around it.

01:48:38.000 Yeah, they brought in earth and turned it into a pyramidial mound.

01:48:42.000 But it wasn't...

01:48:43.000 It's not massive stone blocks.

01:48:45.000 It's not massive stone.

01:48:46.000 That's why they can grow crops on the sides of some of these pyramids. 0.99

01:48:48.000 Wow, how weird.

01:48:49.000 Yeah.

01:48:50.000 So they would build these giant mounds of dirt and then dig holes in them and support them?

01:48:55.000 Well, they probably created the interior, you know, subterranean as they were building the whole thing over it.

01:49:01.000 And they just stacked dirt on top of it.

01:49:03.000 Yeah.

01:49:04.000 Wow, what a weird way to make a house.

01:49:06.000 Yeah, and then we have to consider this with, you know, with archaeological sites all around the world, is that any site may actually not be the product of just one culture, but may have been reworked and worked over and used by many different cultures over many different periods.

01:49:20.000 This is stunning to me.

01:49:21.000 I found out about this because of a friend of John Anthony West, who was here with him.

01:49:25.000 He showed me he lives in China, and he was showing me some video of it.

01:49:28.000 And I was like, how do I not know about this?

01:49:30.000 I had no idea there was this many of them.

01:49:31.000 Also, here's one that's exposed.

01:49:34.000 What's this one?

01:49:36.000 Controversial ancient pyramids of China.

01:49:38.000 That one looks exposed.

01:49:39.000 That one looks blocky.

01:49:41.000 Well, that is another thing about China that we just don't have a clue. 0.99

01:49:47.000 When we think about the age and scale of things, we're so silly.

01:49:52.000 We've only been around since, you know, 1776 is when the country was established.

01:49:57.000 It's not really that long ago.

01:49:58.000 You're dealing with China. 0.95

01:49:59.000 You're dealing with literally thousands of years of civilization all rising and falling and taking place and adapting and growing all in this one area.

01:50:10.000 But still, in our eyes, in a lot of ways, it's kind of behind, right?

01:50:15.000 I mean, they're behind environmentally, they're behind when it comes to human rights.

01:50:19.000 Consider this.

01:50:20.000 The Portuguese, in the late 1400s, have rounded the Cape of Good Hope, and they've entered the Indian Ocean in their little ships.

01:50:30.000 They've entered the Indian Ocean and they actually establish a huge empire.

01:50:34.000 They go to Malacca.

01:50:35.000 They go all over the place, okay?

01:50:37.000 The seas are open to them.

01:50:38.000 If they had come 40 years earlier, they would have encountered the Chinese treasure ships.

01:50:43.000 Ships that were 50 times larger than the little caravels that the Portuguese were sailing in. 0.97

01:50:49.000 You know what the Chinese did at that time?

01:50:51.000 They went through a period where they felt they just wanted to give gifts to people.

01:50:55.000 And they put together these huge fleets carrying incredibly precious gifts, silks and ceramics, and they took them all around the Indian Ocean and they just gave them to people.

01:51:05.000 So off the coast of East Africa and in East Africa you can find remains of this pottery from this episode.

01:51:10.000 And then a Chinese emperor came along and he closed the doors, burned all the boats, shut everything down, and didn't let anybody speak to China for 200 years. 0.99

01:51:20.000 Whoa, what a dick. 0.98

01:51:22.000 Well, he felt that it was time for the Chinese culture to turn inward. 1.00

01:51:26.000 And they were afraid that their ancient culture...

01:51:30.000 On one hand, there might have been maybe a laudable motive in that they were concerned that the ancient culture was going to get contaminated by too much contact with degenerate cultures from other places, and that was a factor in it.

01:51:44.000 That constant desire to maintain the current situation It's human.

01:51:50.000 We have to say it's some kind of human nature.

01:51:53.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:51:54.000 I'd love to see some of these images of the drone stuff from the Camus Prairie.

01:51:59.000 Yeah, let's have a look at it.

01:52:02.000 You got that material there, James?

01:52:03.000 Those Chinese parents are still blowing my mind. 0.99

01:52:06.000 They blow my mind as well.

01:52:07.000 I just can't believe they haven't been excavated.

01:52:09.000 It's an eerie, spooky scene.

01:52:11.000 I would recommend anybody to go to see it.

01:52:13.000 It's incredible how many of them there are.

01:52:16.000 Wow.

01:52:17.000 And how unexplained it all is.

01:52:19.000 And again, it feeds into my general point is we don't remember our past.

01:52:22.000 What are we looking at here?

01:52:24.000 Can we pause so I can talk about what we're looking at?

01:52:28.000 Yeah, you look at this one that way.

01:52:29.000 You can hit the mic right in front of you.

01:52:31.000 Okay, this is the beginning of it.

01:52:32.000 Okay, here's what we're looking at.

01:52:33.000 Get that mic right up to you there.

01:52:34.000 We're looking at a place in western Montana called Camas Prairie.

01:52:38.000 And you see some hills in the foreground and you see a basin in the background.

01:52:43.000 Right here on top of this hill and down on the side here you see that there are some quarrying operations.

01:52:48.000 Those are quarrying gravel.

01:52:50.000 Because everything you're looking at here, this whole landscape between the hills are these large masses of gravel.

01:52:56.000 Trillions of tons of gravel.

01:52:59.000 Now what we're going to do is we're going to start sweeping around as the video plays and you're going to notice down here a series of ripples.

01:53:08.000 Okay, I see that.

01:53:09.000 Okay, and I'm gonna have Jamie pause in a second, but let's keep coming around.

01:53:13.000 Do you start seeing the ripples on the landscape?

01:53:17.000 Let's pause right there.

01:53:19.000 Right there, let's pause.

01:53:21.000 Now, I wish I had a pointer, but if you look up, you're gonna see a flat piece of land like a tongue coming out, rounded.

01:53:28.000 Yeah, Jamie's...

01:53:36.000 I need to get you a laser.

01:53:38.000 That's a delta.

01:53:39.000 That's a delta.

01:53:40.000 You know what a delta is?

01:53:42.000 You ever heard of a delta?

01:53:44.000 It's when a river comes into a body of water and it's carrying sediment.

01:53:48.000 And because the river is moving along swiftly, it's carrying the sediment.

01:53:51.000 But when it comes into the standing body of water, it slows down and it drops its sediment.

01:53:56.000 It builds a delta.

01:53:58.000 The whole city of Portland, for example, is built on a giant delta.

01:54:02.000 New Orleans is built on a delta.

01:54:05.000 So what we're seeing there is a delta.

01:54:07.000 And then in front of it, we're seeing rippled landscape.

01:54:12.000 Let's keep coming around, Jamie.

01:54:14.000 Rippled landscape that looks exactly like the beach looks.

01:54:17.000 Yeah, keep coming around with that.

01:54:19.000 That's the thing, it's fractal, because this is the whole mystery of this, that this happens at a scale of inches on beaches and a scale of hundreds of feet here.

01:54:26.000 Stop again.

01:54:27.000 Good lord.

01:54:28.000 Now, right here in the middle, you see a massive delta, spewed out like a big tongue, splayed out.

01:54:34.000 And then right down here, you start seeing the ripples.

01:54:36.000 And there's a farmhouse.

01:54:38.000 You see the farmhouse there?

01:54:40.000 Now those ripples are, the tallest ones are about the height of a five-story building.

01:54:46.000 Whoa.

01:54:48.000 How bizarre.

01:54:49.000 Okay, let's keep swinging around here.

01:54:52.000 Stop this for a second, if you don't mind.

01:54:55.000 No, I don't mind.

01:54:56.000 So these things, they're the size of a five-story building.

01:54:58.000 What is that, like 70 feet or something like that?

01:55:00.000 50 feet.

01:55:00.000 50 feet?

01:55:01.000 Okay.

01:55:02.000 So those are 50 feet high, and how much water...

01:55:06.000 We'll get to that.

01:55:08.000 Let's see the rest of it.

01:55:09.000 And these are just dirt, right?

01:55:11.000 Well, if you dig into one, what you're going to find is they're a massive...

01:55:16.000 Okay, let's pause again.

01:55:18.000 Look at this.

01:55:19.000 This is crazy.

01:55:21.000 This is totally crazy.

01:55:22.000 This is one of the craziest things you'll ever see.

01:55:25.000 These ripples, repeated ripples, in an area where there's nothing else like it.

01:55:29.000 This is the fingerprints of the flood.

01:55:31.000 That's what it is.

01:55:32.000 Wow!

01:55:34.000 Where can someone look at this?

01:55:35.000 How does someone look at this?

01:55:37.000 In real?

01:55:38.000 No, this right now.

01:55:39.000 This is what we're looking at.

01:55:40.000 This is this video.

01:55:42.000 Well, my colleague Brad Young did this with his drone, and I think he's got it on the website Geocosmic Rex.

01:55:51.000 Is this being played in the YouTube video right now?

01:55:53.000 Okay.

01:55:53.000 All right.

01:55:54.000 So the YouTube people are cool with it.

01:55:56.000 If you're listening on iTunes, Find it, man.

01:55:58.000 Find it on YouTube.

01:56:00.000 But it's worth looking at, is my point. 1.00

01:56:02.000 This is mind-blowing shit. 0.98

01:56:04.000 And I think you made the crucial point, Joe, which is that we can understand what this is because we can see it on any beach. 1.00

01:56:10.000 We can see how water flows receding across a sandy medium will produce ripples.

01:56:16.000 But here, they're on this unbelievable scale where they're hundreds of feet long and 50 feet high, where they dwarf houses, and they're lying all across.

01:56:24.000 And what that tells us is that a huge water flow went across this plain and did this.

01:56:29.000 Well, seeing it from this perspective, Above, which is a rare perspective unless you're in a plane or a helicopter or something.

01:56:35.000 You get a chance to look at it this way, you really get a better sense of what it is.

01:56:39.000 If you were on the ground there, you'd probably say, oh, look at all the hills.

01:56:41.000 It's hard to see.

01:56:42.000 You don't quite get the impression.

01:56:43.000 Now, we did visit this location, and to that day it was overcast, so you don't quite get the effect like you do when you've got a low sun angle.

01:56:53.000 It really helps you to see what's going on in the landscape.

01:56:56.000 Can I ask you, is there a dispute to this?

01:56:59.000 No, no.

01:57:01.000 Nobody disputes it.

01:57:01.000 Nobody disputes this from a flood?

01:57:04.000 Not anymore.

01:57:05.000 Wow.

01:57:05.000 No.

01:57:06.000 In fact, it was this J.T. party...

01:57:08.000 Let's be clear.

01:57:08.000 Nobody disputes that it was caused by massive water flows.

01:57:12.000 Exactly.

01:57:12.000 But those same people would still not buy into the notion that there was this one humongous flood.

01:57:16.000 Okay, so they think it's an accumulative effect, but that this was all created by water.

01:57:20.000 This was the bottom of Lake Missoula, right?

01:57:22.000 Yes, and this is supposed to actually represent the draining of Lake Missoula.

01:57:26.000 Right.

01:57:27.000 Whereas I argue, from a number of different reasons, that this is the filling of Lake Missoula.

01:57:32.000 I have a friend of mine who, his friend lives in Montana, and they found a dinosaur on his ranch.

01:57:37.000 Oh, wow.

01:57:38.000 Yeah, like, really recently.

01:57:40.000 That's a nice thing to find.

01:57:41.000 We should come back to that, because there's a connection here.

01:57:43.000 Yeah, well, the Great Western Inland Sea, all that area, there was, I mean, this was a crazy place at one point in time.

01:57:50.000 It still is, arguably.

01:57:50.000 Yeah.

01:57:51.000 In a different way.

01:57:53.000 The water here, Joe, that did this, the way to visualize this is to, again, begin to think of tsunami.

01:58:00.000 You have to think tsunami because tsunami is the closest scale of water flow that we've experienced in modern times.

01:58:08.000 No river flood.

01:58:10.000 Has even approached this.

01:58:12.000 No flood in any floodplain.

01:58:14.000 Nothing that we can put into perspective.

01:58:16.000 Right.

01:58:16.000 The closest we can get to it is a tsunami.

01:58:20.000 But even there, you've got to picture the tsunamis that we've experienced in the last decade and a half in Indonesia and Japan.

01:58:27.000 When they made landfall, those tsunamis were roughly between 20 and 50 feet, depending on where you were Relative to the oncoming wave and how far distant you were from it.

01:58:39.000 Here what you have to visualize is a tsunami sweeping over the land that's over a thousand feet deep.

01:58:46.000 That's what happened here.

01:58:49.000 And we know that because we can trace the high water marks on the hillsides.

01:58:54.000 The high water marks are clearly etched into the hillsides.

01:58:59.000 So we now know, based upon the study of the ripples, and the water here was moving down.

01:59:05.000 It's filling this basin.

01:59:06.000 It's rushing in in a great tsunami from the north of fresh water, melt water, coming off the ice sheet.

01:59:12.000 And it's sweeping down over this land at probably two or three hundred million cubic feet per second, which is an inconceivable amount of water.

01:59:21.000 It's many times in excess of every river on Earth flowing today all at once.

01:59:28.000 It's beyond that many times.

01:59:30.000 Ten or twenty times beyond that.

01:59:32.000 One of the trippier things about water is that water in itself is kind of fractal in some sort of a weird way.

01:59:38.000 When you look at the actual molecules of water, it's almost like we don't distinguish it as being a fractal thing because we see it as like this moving flow.

01:59:46.000 But if you're looking at the actual molecules of water, A cup of water that you dip your fingers in, which is seemingly completely innocuous, becomes this massive element of change when the volume is a thousand feet high and just rolling over with massive amounts of weight behind it.

02:00:06.000 It's that same stuff.

02:00:07.000 Massive amounts of weight.

02:00:08.000 Enough weight that it's actually causing seismic responses.

02:00:14.000 We can only imagine.

02:00:15.000 How much weight are you talking about that can create these 50-foot-high walls?

02:00:19.000 But what's fascinating to me is that we don't have a scale in our minds as a reference, like the difference between that little cup and...

02:00:30.000 These gigantic waves that you see that surfers travel by jet ski to get to, you know, off of, I believe it's Mexico.

02:00:39.000 Right.

02:00:39.000 You ever seen those massive waves?

02:00:41.000 They go way out, miles out, to get to these crazy waves, and we ride them in, they're like 60, 70 feet high.

02:00:47.000 That's the comparison, almost like a glass of water to those waves, and then that to this.

02:00:52.000 It scales up, it scales up, it scales up, and at a certain point it can change the whole story of civilization.

02:00:58.000 It almost doesn't compute.

02:00:59.000 You can intellectualize it, but it's almost not computing.

02:01:02.000 One of these flood flows here is three orders of magnitude greater than the largest measured modern flood.

02:01:10.000 In other words, over a thousand times greater.

02:01:13.000 In terms of peak discharge or volume, you would have to scale up at least a thousand times greater than any modern measured flood To get to the smallest, really, of these flows here.

02:01:26.000 Because this is just one place, one locale, on five states, where you can trace literally an ocean of fresh water sweeping across the entire Pacific Northwest.

02:01:41.000 Pretty much washing away anything that was there.

02:01:43.000 It's almost like we have a defense mechanism built in where we ignore how vulnerable we really are.

02:01:50.000 Maybe that's one of the reasons why people are so reluctant to really go deep into studying asteroid impacts.

02:01:56.000 I think it is.

02:01:56.000 Or even to pay attention to this stuff.

02:01:58.000 Like that this could happen.

02:02:01.000 And this is, I mean, those are not two separate subjects, because this is the result of the comet impact on the ice cap.

02:02:08.000 This is why I feel that the research in this field is so vital.

02:02:12.000 Okay, right there.

02:02:13.000 Yeah.

02:02:14.000 Now, here, notice.

02:02:16.000 This is crazy.

02:02:16.000 That's a beach.

02:02:17.000 Yeah, but it's a beach for giant monsters, is what it is.

02:02:23.000 You can see in this here that you've actually got three massive currents converging here.

02:02:29.000 Do you see that over here on the right, you've got a massive current coming in that would be from the west.

02:02:35.000 And then we're standing, we would be standing looking down current Of course, the drone I'm guessing here is about 200 feet in elevation.

02:02:45.000 So the top of the water was another 800 to 900 feet above this perspective right here.

02:02:52.000 And it's moving very, very fast.

02:02:55.000 And it's sweeping down into a river valley that's down in those mountains you see in the distance.

02:03:01.000 And from there it's being carried down and joining up other equally as large floods coming in from other valleys.

02:03:07.000 And all of this is happening at once, and it's covering five states, basically.

02:03:13.000 And that's just one region that's being affected by this sudden catastrophic melting of the ice sheets.

02:03:19.000 We are dealing with the largest flood that ever occurred on Earth.

02:03:21.000 It's as simple as that.

02:03:22.000 This is insane.

02:03:24.000 I mean, it's insane to look at.

02:03:25.000 And it happened here in North America, and it happened 12,800 years ago, and its story has yet to be fully told.

02:03:33.000 Isn't it possible that there was something larger before, like the 65 million year ago one that hit the Yucatan?

02:03:38.000 What kind of an impact did that have?

02:03:41.000 Well, actually, if that had happened 12,000 years ago, we wouldn't be having our meeting today.

02:03:46.000 None of us would be here.

02:03:48.000 Yeah, that would be a wrap, right?

02:03:49.000 Yeah, that was a single large object about six miles wide.

02:03:53.000 That was a much more devastating impact than the impacts of 12,800 years ago.

02:03:59.000 But nevertheless, those impacts of 12,800 years ago were really, really bad.

02:04:04.000 And they did stuff like this.

02:04:05.000 And anything that was in the way of this, of these massive flows of water, would have been rubbed completely from the story.

02:04:12.000 And this all makes sense.

02:04:13.000 Yeah, and here's the thing that the Michael Shermers don't get.

02:04:17.000 When you understand the extent of this, the scale of this phenomena, and the severity, the inconceivable severity of this, in the aftermath of an event like this, what would remain of a city, a village?

02:04:32.000 A refrigerator. 0.99

02:04:33.000 No, not a goddamn thing. 0.99

02:04:35.000 Nothing. 0.99

02:04:35.000 Nothing would exist in the aftermath of this. 0.99

02:04:39.000 And most things wouldn't exist.

02:04:40.000 I mean, you find like an old refrigerator or a car up on blocks in someone's backyard in the south, and it's, you know, the 1970s, and the rot has gotten into the frame.

02:04:51.000 Nature's going to eat it up. 0.96

02:04:52.000 Yeah, nature's eating it up just in a couple of decades.

02:04:54.000 Right.

02:04:55.000 What's it going to be like in a couple thousand years?

02:04:56.000 It's going to be non-existent.

02:04:57.000 We should not be surprised about how little we really know about our past.

02:05:01.000 This is also a comfort game with archaeology.

02:05:03.000 Oh, yeah, we've got the past all worked out.

02:05:05.000 We understand it.

02:05:05.000 Here it is.

02:05:06.000 This is what we teach in schools.

02:05:07.000 This is what our friends in the media report.

02:05:09.000 This is the facts.

02:05:10.000 It's not the facts.

02:05:11.000 We know nothing.

02:05:12.000 There's been so much lost, so many missing pieces of the puzzle that we're desperately trying to stitch together.

02:05:19.000 And it's important, I think, that we...

02:05:22.000 I actually do get some clarity on events like this because we still live on this planet and we have kids and we have a future and we want to...

02:05:29.000 Hopefully.

02:05:30.000 Hopefully.

02:05:30.000 Not if one of those big boys comes our way.

02:05:32.000 Well, that's right.

02:05:33.000 But again, I come down to this, which is that we are not dealing with gloom and doom and the end of the world.

02:05:40.000 We're dealing with a problem that humanity should be confronting.

02:05:43.000 We should not be sticking our heads in the sand.

02:05:45.000 We should be confronting humanity.

02:05:46.000 This problem.

02:05:47.000 And that's why I support the work of the Comet Research Group because they are the only people right now who are confronting this problem and really getting to grips with it.

02:05:55.000 We should all confront.

02:05:56.000 I mean, we should absolutely all support them and confront it because if something like this can happen once, what really makes sense is how many stories of floods there are in ancient times and how many parallels there are.

02:06:10.000 And how many there are from North America.

02:06:12.000 Oh, dozens and dozens.

02:06:14.000 Yeah, it was Caitlin, the Indian artist who spent 30 years or so pre-Civil War, I think maybe a decade after the Civil War, painting Indians of different tribes.

02:06:26.000 And he wrote a book called Last Rambles Among the North American Indians.

02:06:30.000 Very, very interesting book.

02:06:31.000 But what really is interesting to me when I read the book years and years ago was his final conclusion to the book.

02:06:36.000 He says, after all of these different customs and traditions that have been handed down amongst these tribes...

02:06:41.000 They all have one thing in common.

02:06:43.000 They all have a memory or a story of a gigantic world-destroying flood.

02:06:47.000 And this included tribes down into Central America that he visited.

02:06:51.000 I believe the Americas are the repository.

02:06:55.000 The Native American peoples who have been subjected to so much destruction over the years, they...

02:07:02.000 In their mythology, their traditions, their memories, they keep more of this than almost anybody else.

02:07:07.000 It's really tragic what has happened in the Americas from the time of the Spanish conquest, the deliberate destruction of knowledge, the terrible, horrendous abuses that Native American people suffered.

02:07:19.000 Our wisdom keepers.

02:07:20.000 They are the people who passed down the oral tradition and remembered the past.

02:07:24.000 So not only do we have cataclysms wiping the human memory, but we ourselves actively get involved in the human memory and wipe it.

02:07:31.000 We rub it out.

02:07:32.000 The burning of the Maya codices by the Spanish friars.

02:07:35.000 Thousands and thousands.

02:07:36.000 God knows what was in those documents.

02:07:38.000 You know, we might have had a whole other story about ourselves if we could have had access to those, but instead we're this destructive, cannibalistic species that just goes and smashes everything to bits.

02:07:49.000 It's a weird impulse that human beings have is when they move into an area and they take over it, one of the things they like to do is destroy their icons.

02:07:55.000 Destroy everything.

02:07:56.000 What's going on with ISIS and all these ancient Buddhist structures. 0.95

02:08:00.000 These thousand plus year old beautiful sculptures.

02:08:02.000 Absolutely.

02:08:03.000 And they're blowing them up, you know, and yelling praise God while they're doing it.

02:08:07.000 It's really...

02:08:09.000 Very bizarre.

02:08:09.000 It's a very bizarre inclination that we have, but it's almost like we don't want people to know.

02:08:14.000 It's a bizarre, almost human instinct to wipe out the past and just to constantly keep moving forward.

02:08:21.000 Or is there some trauma?

02:08:22.000 Is there some collective trauma, some deeply suppressed memory that we can't quite confront?

02:08:28.000 That's exactly the thought I had, because I think that's the one way, one of those areas where Velikovsky finally really nailed it, was mankind in amnesia.

02:08:37.000 That somehow we carry the trauma.

02:08:40.000 Because once you begin to get a handle, and you get to get the picture of these events as they occurred, and did occur, and would have been experienced by our ancestors, You've got to understand, what would it be like to see your entire world completely obliterated,

02:08:55.000 starting over again from basically a barren mudfield?

02:09:00.000 You know, that's essentially what these people were faced with.

02:09:03.000 If they lived at all, and so few probably did.

02:09:05.000 Obviously they did, because here we are.

02:09:07.000 But, you know, again, the evidence is emerging of major cultural collapse.

02:09:11.000 If you had a guess, what percentage of the population of human beings, this is obviously just a guess, but how many do you think were wiped out?

02:09:19.000 Half of them?

02:09:20.000 Three quarters of them?

02:09:21.000 I don't think that would be unrealistic.

02:09:23.000 No.

02:09:23.000 It doesn't seem like it would be.

02:09:24.000 And if it was that number, and those people, that's enough for people to survive. 0.95

02:09:29.000 And if it was that number, boy, what a strange fucking mythical past they would have.

02:09:35.000 The other thing to bear in mind is, in the world today, our world, we have an advanced civilization. 0.96

02:09:42.000 America, you know, Germany, the industrialized technological countries.

02:09:48.000 And we have coexisting with them in South America, in the Namibian desert, we have hunter-gatherers.

02:09:55.000 So the notion that hunter-gatherers and an advanced civilization might coexist in the same epoch of history should not be strange to us because we're doing that today.

02:10:06.000 And that's what I would suggest happened Before 12,800 years ago, before the cataclysm of 12,800 years ago, that there was a fairly advanced civilization that was capable of mapping and exploring the world, creating gigantic works of architecture, and it coexisted with hunter-gatherers.

02:10:23.000 And who were the ones who survived the cataclysm?

02:10:27.000 The answer is the ones who survived the cataclysm were the hunter-gatherers, not the sophisticated peoples.

02:10:32.000 A few of them survived and they then settled amongst the hunter-gatherers and tried to transfer some of their knowledge and skills to them.

02:10:39.000 And it's the same today.

02:10:40.000 If we were to have a repeat of the Younger Dryas cataclysm today, I don't think that people from Los Angeles or London would be amongst the leading survivors.

02:10:51.000 I think the survivors would be people like the hunter-gatherers of the Amazon rainforest, because they're in the business of surviving.

02:10:57.000 That's what they do.

02:10:58.000 It's not a mystery to them.

02:10:59.000 It's not even a problem.

02:11:00.000 They do it all the time.

02:11:02.000 They would carry the human story forward, and 10,000 years from now, their descendants would be telling a myth about how there was once a great civilization on this planet, so advanced that they could even go to the moon.

02:11:30.000 I think?

02:11:35.000 So, there would be a differential survival rate.

02:11:38.000 I would say that those who are more technologically advanced are less likely to survive because they depend on a complex interrelated network of skills.

02:11:47.000 And any individual on his or her own, most of them...

02:11:50.000 Well, you're different, Joe, because you do know how to survive, but a lot of people don't know how to survive.

02:11:54.000 Yeah, I barely know how to survive.

02:11:56.000 I'd most likely starve to death.

02:11:57.000 But at least you've worked at it.

02:11:58.000 Yeah, but I'm not that good at it.

02:12:00.000 But most of us haven't even worked at it at all.

02:12:02.000 We haven't got a clue. 0.99

02:12:03.000 Let me fucking open everybody's eyes to all these people that think that you could just go out there and shoot animals and stay alive. 1.00

02:12:08.000 Good fucking luck. 1.00

02:12:10.000 You're probably screwed if you have a rifle. 1.00

02:12:13.000 Even if you have a rifle, you're probably screwed. 1.00

02:12:15.000 If you have a bow and arrow, you're gonna fucking starve to death. 1.00

02:12:17.000 Right. 1.00

02:12:17.000 It's extremely difficult to get close. 1.00

02:12:21.000 And yet hunter-gatherers for thousands and thousands of years have succeeded in doing that, like the Bushmen of the Kalahari. 0.51

02:12:28.000 I think there was less humans and more animals.

02:12:31.000 I think that's also part of the rub.

02:12:33.000 One of the terrible things we've done is taking these giant swaths of land and made them entirely inhabitable for wildlife, like cities.

02:12:44.000 How many people grow food in the city?

02:12:46.000 What is the percentage?

02:12:47.000 Is it even one-tenth of one percent of people in the city grow their own food?

02:12:50.000 Probably not.

02:12:50.000 It's probably not even that.

02:12:51.000 So you have these massive, essentially, deserts where no wildlife exists other than predatory species like coyotes and ravens and things like that.

02:13:00.000 And then you go out from there, and then you have these vast farmlands.

02:13:05.000 The only benefit of the vast farmlands is the amount of deer that exist now is greatly more than when Columbus landed.

02:13:12.000 But it's because they've almost become an agricultural animal.

02:13:16.000 It's almost like they're almost a domesticated animal.

02:13:18.000 They're a free, wild, domesticated animal.

02:13:21.000 I have a friend who has a farm in Iowa, and when you go there, it's very strange because he's got these wild, giant, 300-pound forest horses running around his backyard. 0.99

02:13:32.000 I mean, they're fucking everywhere. 0.93

02:13:34.000 There's all these giant deer. 0.99

02:13:35.000 And when we were there, it's what's called the rut.

02:13:37.000 So they're very horny. 0.99

02:13:39.000 So the big bucks who usually hide, they show themselves.

02:13:42.000 I'm like, this is a crazy place.

02:13:44.000 There's all these wild animals that exist along with people.

02:13:48.000 And even in a game-rich place like that, it's incredibly difficult to get to one.

02:13:53.000 And you'd have to have vegetables.

02:13:54.000 You'd have to have your own vegetables.

02:13:56.000 So let's imagine a situation where all the resources of our cities, all the amenities, all the infrastructure are gone. 1.00

02:14:02.000 Most of us are fucked. 0.99

02:14:04.000 I would say radically. 1.00

02:14:05.000 I would say, in fact, our civilization, which appears so strong, is actually very, very fragile.

02:14:11.000 Extremely.

02:14:12.000 Just a little push.

02:14:13.000 It's like when you look out the window and you're like, wow, that's the outside.

02:14:16.000 No, that's a piece of glass.

02:14:18.000 You're outside.

02:14:19.000 Knock that piece of glass and you're outside.

02:14:21.000 You know how effortless it is?

02:14:23.000 Yeah.

02:14:23.000 It just seems impenetrable because, you know, you pull the shades tight and you set your alarm clock and you sleep.

02:14:29.000 You're sleeping next to glass.

02:14:32.000 It's hilarious. 1.00

02:14:33.000 You feel confident and yet you're sleeping next to a piece of fucking glass. 0.99

02:14:36.000 There's this incredible complacency and arrogance of modern civilization that we are the apex and pinnacle of the human story, that we're the best that's ever come. 0.99

02:14:45.000 And that's a danger.

02:14:47.000 Mythologically, that is a very dangerous place to be.

02:14:50.000 When you start imagining yourself as the Apex and the pinnacle of everything.

02:14:54.000 That's precisely when the universe reminds you that you are not that at all.

02:14:58.000 Yeah, it's a very weird Existence that we have where we just sort of look at how things are right now and we can't imagine things being any different No matter what whether it's people that have to come to The realization that they've been injured like someone breaks their leg and also it just doesn't compute like how come I can't walk anymore Well,

02:15:18.000 your reality is now shifted And this reality that we have here with this fairly healthy Earth could shift at any moment.

02:15:26.000 The Yellowstone volcano is the one that's been freaking me out the most over the last few years.

02:15:31.000 Another big issue.

02:15:32.000 Yeah.

02:15:33.000 An interesting parallel would be if we look at what happens in smaller catastrophes, like we've seen today.

02:15:40.000 When we look at the...

02:15:42.000 For example, when Katrina hit New Orleans, right?

02:15:46.000 It was almost as if the human species separated into two subspecies.

02:15:51.000 You had one group of people that rose to the occasion and did heroic things.

02:15:57.000 They organized and they saved people spontaneously, you know, because the government was conspicuously absent for five days, the first five days.

02:16:05.000 Of the Katrina disaster.

02:16:07.000 And here you had a major flooding of New Orleans, and you had people spontaneously organizing and performing these heroic actions of saving their fellow man and doing just stupendous things, superhero-type things.

02:16:22.000 But then you had another segment of the population that just went completely barbaric.

02:16:27.000 And you had mass rapes and smashing of businesses and looting and just people running wild, complete unrestrained gangs and just committing violent acts at random.

02:16:43.000 And America, the richest country on earth, did not manage that crisis well.

02:16:47.000 And that was a little crisis by comparison with what we're talking about here.

02:16:51.000 Remember when Kanye West got on TV? George Bush does not like black people. 0.93

02:16:55.000 I don't remember that.

02:16:56.000 But yeah, George Bush, I think it was on day four, George Bush flew over in Air Force One and looked out the window.

02:17:03.000 Good move.

02:17:03.000 Wave.

02:17:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:17:04.000 Give people hope.

02:17:05.000 But there's lessons in those kinds of events.

02:17:08.000 Sure.

02:17:09.000 Yeah, we're not prepared.

02:17:10.000 And we have to extrapolate from that.

02:17:12.000 And, you know, if you go back, you know, I oftentimes, as a thought exercise, think, how would we respond if we knew that there was a high probability of a Younger Dryas type event or series of events impending in our future?

02:17:27.000 What would you do, start drinking or...?

02:17:29.000 What can you do?

02:17:30.000 It all depends on lead time.

02:17:31.000 Right.

02:17:32.000 It all depends on lead time.

02:17:33.000 What if it's a 10 day lead time?

02:17:34.000 You're not going to be able to shoot a rocket up there.

02:17:36.000 Listen man, fire up that Uber again and let's go hard to the end.

02:17:41.000 Yeah.

02:17:42.000 10 days.

02:17:42.000 But 10 years or 20 years.

02:17:44.000 Then we can do some stuff.

02:17:46.000 Then we can do some stuff.

02:17:46.000 The real scary thing is, there's two scary things.

02:17:49.000 One, if you survived. 1.00

02:17:51.000 Because you're like, fuck. 0.99

02:17:53.000 You know, if you really did survive and everybody else was jacked and all of a sudden you're dealing with some Mad Max type reality where people are starving to death and they're very desperate and they become almost like animals. 1.00

02:18:03.000 That's entirely inside the realm of possibility.

02:18:06.000 Well, that's what we learned from Katrina.

02:18:08.000 Or the other terrifying possibility is that you leave the future of civilization up to those other people. 0.96

02:18:16.000 Is that they survive, and they have kids, and their kids survive, and somehow or another, somewhere along the line, we get better and better at understanding our place here, which is what I think has happened.

02:18:25.000 And all it would take is one...

02:18:27.000 I mean, this is...

02:18:28.000 As much as people are complaining right now, as much as there's riots in the streets because...

02:18:33.000 Or, excuse me, protests in the streets.

02:18:35.000 Some riots, apparently.

02:18:37.000 But over the president-elect, what this time is, it represents the greatest time in history when it comes to safety, when it comes to knowledge, access to information, the way we understand each other.

02:18:47.000 I don't think it's ever been better as far as as long as we know.

02:18:50.000 We have everything at our feet.

02:18:52.000 There's incredible potential.

02:18:55.000 In modern civilization.

02:18:57.000 But the problem is that there's also very rigid mind control.

02:19:02.000 The way that our societies work is it's turning people into drones. 0.80

02:19:06.000 People brought up to believe that their only purpose in existence is production and consumption.

02:19:11.000 The people forced to fit into a sort of narrow place in the machine, mass media beaming, you know, messages at us all the time.

02:19:20.000 Even the concept of democracy is absurd.

02:19:22.000 When you don't have complete transparency, when there are secrets, when things are hidden, how can the people vote, you know, with a clear mind if a lot is being hidden from them?

02:19:31.000 That's not democracy.

02:19:33.000 Democracies, in fact, invest in mind control, most unfortunate development.

02:19:38.000 Well, I wonder how long it's going to take before the rigid mindsets that are in place right now and this idea of this resistance to change that we were talking about when it comes to science, when it comes to accepting this...

02:19:54.000 Asteroidal impact theory and I think that exists in politics.

02:19:57.000 I think it exists in religion.

02:19:59.000 I think it exists socially the way we approach relationships and friendships and Just all of it is evolving in front of our eyes.

02:20:06.000 I was watching a movie last night Not another teenage movie.

02:20:11.000 Is that what it is?

02:20:11.000 Is that what it's called and I was live tweeting it so smoking pot and writing and Sometimes I just like to have the TV on and not listen to it.

02:20:18.000 Just just sometimes I like to like See some things when I'm just writing things sometimes I don't that last night I chose to do it that way and I just got so enamored in this weird movie from 2001 This is a the movie felt like a time machine.

02:20:32.000 It's like I was Watching this culture that does not exist anymore.

02:20:37.000 It's one of those like Teenager movies were like in college and they're drinking there's a lot of naked women and really racist sexist humor and it's really crude and goofy and stupid and I'm like this is so bizarre because they this doesn't exist anymore this kind of film like this is like this is like Al Jolson with blackface on or something and in a way it's like a cultural time machine like you get to go and for a brief moment see like this comedy that somebody concocted

02:21:08.000 in 2001 which seems so recent But it's such a, in that film, you get evidence of this weird cultural change. 0.81

02:21:16.000 I shouldn't say weird.

02:21:18.000 Massive cultural change that's happened as far as the way we're allowed to joke around about things. 1.00

02:21:22.000 Like, there's some racist shit in that movie. 1.00

02:21:25.000 Like, racist and sexist shit. 1.00

02:21:27.000 And violence, like men punching women in the face and shit. 1.00

02:21:29.000 Like, that you just can't really do in a comedy today. 0.99

02:21:32.000 And that's only 15 years ago.

02:21:34.000 And what is it going to be like if we can avoid getting hit by a rock, blowing ourselves up, Yellowstone blowing up in our face?

02:21:41.000 If we can keep going, I think we're on a great path, regardless of what people think about the president-elect.

02:21:47.000 I think we're on a great path.

02:21:49.000 It's a hazardous path.

02:21:51.000 It's a path where the future is not at all certain.

02:21:54.000 But humanity is at one of those...

02:21:58.000 Crossroads.

02:22:18.000 Out there in the world.

02:22:19.000 I do think people are waking up.

02:22:21.000 I think they are questioning old structures. 0.99

02:22:23.000 They're refusing to put up with the bullshit any longer. 0.99

02:22:26.000 More and more people are doing that. 0.99

02:22:28.000 It's happening in the realm of politics.

02:22:29.000 It's happening in the realm of dealing with the big corporations.

02:22:31.000 It's happening in the realm of investigating the past.

02:22:34.000 We're just not going to be told what to think anymore.

02:22:37.000 That's encouraging.

02:22:38.000 But then on the other side, there are huge efforts being put precisely into making people think in certain ways, whether it's the advertising industry, whether it's political messages.

02:22:46.000 And so we have to be aware of that.

02:22:48.000 And it could go down the drone path, I mean like the beehive path, which would be, why even bother to be human if your society is turning you into a worker drone and a beehive life existence?

02:23:01.000 Or it could go down an expansion of consciousness and a realization of the incredible, beautiful potential of the human race.

02:23:08.000 I honestly feel like that's where it's going.

02:23:10.000 I honestly do.

02:23:11.000 I'm optimistic.

02:23:12.000 I'm very optimistic.

02:23:13.000 Well, that's beautiful to hear because this is a time.

02:23:16.000 I was watching the John Oliver show.

02:23:18.000 It's a great show on HBO. Very funny guy and he's very left-wing leaning as is his show.

02:23:24.000 But they had this fuck 2016 thing where they were just naming off all the horrible things that happened in 2016. And then just saying goodbye to this terrible year. 0.97

02:23:33.000 I'm like... 0.98

02:23:34.000 Yeah, but a lot of good shit happened this year, too. 0.90

02:23:36.000 There's a lot of fantastic discoveries, a lot of interesting observations, a lot of people learned a lot of things in 2016 as well. 0.96

02:23:44.000 And I think that...

02:23:45.000 And quite a number of American states have made cannabis legal.

02:23:48.000 Yes.

02:23:49.000 That's a huge development.

02:23:51.000 It's also a big...

02:23:52.000 It's going to be a big factor.

02:23:54.000 In our cultural evolution, it really will.

02:23:56.000 Well, it was a big factor.

02:23:57.000 In the 60s, it was a huge factor.

02:24:00.000 In effect, what happened, you had a very closed conservative society and then you had an outside shock in the form of the psychedelic drugs that came in and completely stirred up everything in art and music and fashion and even into scientific concepts of our place in the universe and time and space and in so many ways That had just a major impact on the direction that our society went.

02:24:26.000 And what would be the equivalent today or in our near future in terms of an outside shock that would suddenly wake people up would be another event, another Tunguska event.

02:24:40.000 And based upon everything that I've seen, it would suggest that events like that are going to happen and probably within our lifetime.

02:24:49.000 And when it does happen, Especially if the message of the story has been out and enough people have heard it.

02:24:56.000 5% of the people or 10% of the people are aware that there is this major impending potential paradigm shift.

02:25:04.000 And then we have an event like that.

02:25:06.000 An event like Tunguska 1908. I think that's all it would take because the magnitude of that event would have been such that it occurred today And you had anywhere from a million to two million people instantly wiped out, or a whole city instantly annihilated from a shot from space.

02:25:26.000 What effect would that have on the planetary consciousness?

02:25:31.000 And which, with this latest exercise, NASA coming late to the party finally seems to be thinking about.

02:25:37.000 What happened if L.A. is hit by, you know, a 350-foot diameter?

02:25:41.000 Right, and that's the thing, is because when the probability models for a Tunguska-type event were first laid out in the 50s and 60s and into the 70s, it was pretty much determined that it was like something that would happen once a millennium, once every couple of millenniums,

02:25:57.000 then it sort of got contracted to once every few centuries.

02:26:00.000 You know, it may be that it's actually much more like one or two a century.

02:26:05.000 Or maybe even perhaps clustered events where you may have three or four or half a dozen of those type events occurring over a very short window of time.

02:26:15.000 But an event like that happening, not one that would cause the extinction of civilization by any means, but an event like that that could, you know, wipe out a thousand square miles of landscape completely in an instant would have a major effect,

02:26:30.000 I think, on The people of this planet.

02:26:34.000 It would focus minds.

02:26:35.000 It would focus minds in a way that nothing else would.

02:26:38.000 To me, is it pessimistic to say that might be what it's going to take?

02:26:43.000 Or is it just realistic?

02:26:45.000 I don't know.

02:26:46.000 Well, I think it's like the massive impact versus the slow trickle effect.

02:26:50.000 I mean, is it going to happen eventually?

02:26:52.000 Or is it going to happen in one gigantic swoop because of an event like an asteroidal impact where it kills a bunch of people and we wake up to the fragility of our existence?

02:27:01.000 But either way, it's a waking up of humanity.

02:27:03.000 And that is in process.

02:27:04.000 It's happening.

02:27:05.000 That is in process now.

02:27:07.000 Look, as a Brit, observing what's been happening in America as an outsider, I'm enormously encouraged by the legalization of cannabis movement that is taking place here and what it all means.

02:27:19.000 Sure, I like to smoke a joint, but this is not about getting high.

02:27:22.000 It's not about recreation.

02:27:23.000 What this is about is recognizing the sovereignty of adults...

02:27:27.000 To make decisions over their own bodies, their own health, and their own consciousness while doing no harm to others. 0.97

02:27:33.000 That's what it's about, and that's a really fucking important issue.

02:27:36.000 For me, that is the most important issue, because if we live in a society that is not prepared to recognize Adult sovereignty over one's own body and one's own consciousness, then that cannot be a free society in any meaningful way. 0.91

02:27:49.000 And so I applaud the people of America in those states who have voted for full legalization.

02:27:54.000 That's a brilliant thing to do and that's going to have an impact around the world because the war on drugs, all the ideology and lies about cannabis are all going to be proved wrong.

02:28:04.000 We're going to know that the emperor wears no clothes, that you can legalize cannabis and civilization does not fall apart, as the war on drugs lobby have been telling us for ages.

02:28:12.000 It's going to change everything, and it's a beautiful thing because it's the American people, whereas the American state, America as a governmental state presence on the world stage, has been the dark force behind the war on drugs. 0.99

02:28:27.000 It's, for me, a beautiful thing that it's the American people state by state who are winding that back and saying, we will not put up with this shit anymore. 0.81

02:28:35.000 I think what you were talking about earlier is really important, too. 0.98

02:28:38.000 We were talking about different...

02:28:40.000 Factions of our civilization are creating, to this day, they're still creating disinformation and still trying to mislead people.

02:28:48.000 But I think that goes to what we were talking about before, where it's a system, and systems protect themselves.

02:28:54.000 They develop almost a consciousness of their own.

02:28:58.000 It's scary, in a way.

02:28:59.000 Big bureaucracies, armed bureaucracies, they've got a kind of personality.

02:29:02.000 Well, even when there's no financial stake in it, there's just a social stake, like what you're seeing right now with the left versus the right.

02:29:09.000 There's some people, like my friend Wanda Sykes just got booed offstage at some thing last night, apparently, where she went on some anti-Trump rant, and people got super upset at her.

02:29:20.000 There's these systems that are in place, this almost like wanting to fight.

02:29:27.000 It's not...

02:29:29.000 It sets us up in this bizarre team mentality where this left protects its ideas of the future and the right protects its ideas.

02:29:37.000 And I'm watching these people go at it back and forth on social media and it's toxic.

02:29:41.000 And I don't like to use that term because it's so compromised by, you know, toxic sexuality or toxic masculinity.

02:29:48.000 There's so many uses of that word in our culture.

02:29:50.000 But I think that this desire to fight with each other Yeah, and be deeply unpleasant and say really horrible, hurtful, ghastly things.

02:29:57.000 You see it so often and really, I mean, vile.

02:30:00.000 And from the left, too, as well as the right.

02:30:02.000 The left is supposed to be the people that are caught.

02:30:03.000 Toxic is the right word.

02:30:04.000 Exactly.

02:30:05.000 And I think that we have to resist the urge to fight.

02:30:08.000 I think this is when people push too far on the left, that's when the alt-right emerges.

02:30:14.000 When people push too far on the right, that's when the left comes up, and that's when Kent State emerges.

02:30:20.000 You have all these weird factions duking it out that have so much in common.

02:30:24.000 And a lot of times, the things that they don't have in common, it's either because of an ignorance or it's because of an ideological dispute or a lack of communication.

02:30:32.000 And I think if those three things are in place, at least open lines of communication, which is also fostered by marijuana.

02:30:39.000 Exactly.

02:30:40.000 You get these people talking openly and vulnerably about these things, and you find out that a lot of our misgivings and our misunderstandings about each other are just misconceptions, miscommunications.

02:30:51.000 And even if we disagree on things, I have friends that I disagree on a lot of stuff with, but we're very close.

02:30:58.000 Yeah.

02:30:58.000 Because you're allowed to have different opinions.

02:31:00.000 Of course.

02:31:01.000 That's what makes the world interesting.

02:31:02.000 It doesn't have to be we hate each other because one person's left.

02:31:04.000 We can listen to somebody else's opinion with empathy rather than with hatred or anger.

02:31:10.000 It's too attractive to be on a team. 1.00

02:31:12.000 Like the fucking Masons. 1.00

02:31:17.000 Yeah, it is, man. 1.00

02:31:18.000 It's too attractive.

02:31:19.000 It's too attractive.

02:31:20.000 And we love, I mean, we love city versus city.

02:31:22.000 We love that.

02:31:23.000 We love when, you know, Chicago is going to take on Cleveland. 1.00

02:31:26.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:31:27.000 We love that stuff. 1.00

02:31:28.000 It's the tribal thing.

02:31:29.000 You know, we've not really evolved out of that.

02:31:32.000 We've changed our social structures, but we're still tribal mentality.

02:31:36.000 Nationalism is just tribalism writ large.

02:31:39.000 That's all it is.

02:31:39.000 Yes, it really is.

02:31:40.000 Just like religion is just a cult with a lot more people.

02:31:43.000 Yeah.

02:31:44.000 Exactly.

02:31:44.000 Should we look at one more?

02:31:46.000 Yeah, we can look at as many as you want, man.

02:31:48.000 Roll the party.

02:31:49.000 What do you got?

02:31:50.000 Let's see the next one.

02:31:51.000 Back to the flood.

02:31:52.000 This is the place that I didn't get to take Graham, that I really wanted to.

02:31:56.000 I really wanted to take you here.

02:31:58.000 Let's see it.

02:31:59.000 So you're going to see it second best, possibly.

02:32:02.000 This is the potholes. 0.99

02:32:05.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:32:06.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:32:07.000 This is crazy.

02:32:09.000 What we're looking at, folks, the people who are just listening in, You have to go to the YouTube now, because this is insanity. 0.91

02:32:17.000 This is as close for a dummy like me to look at something like that and then go, oh, yeah, that's definitely a river.

02:32:26.000 A river? 0.91

02:32:26.000 Carve that. 0.91

02:32:27.000 Okay, what you're looking at there is a gigantic extinct set of cataracts, like you would find at Niagara Falls, but to use Graham's term, writ large.

02:32:40.000 We're looking at a ridge.

02:32:41.000 We're looking east.

02:32:43.000 The tsunami wave that swept down over these four states, one branch of it swept off to the west.

02:32:49.000 This particular branch of it was 400 feet deep when it hit this ridge.

02:32:54.000 And what it did was it spilled over the ridge, and down here in the foreground you see the modern-day Columbia River.

02:33:00.000 From the top of the ridge, where you see the agriculture and the landscape, down to the river is about a thousand feet.

02:33:07.000 So you basically have to picture you've got this huge sheet of water, three to four hundred feet deep.

02:33:14.000 It's rushing over and it finds the lowest spot within this ridge and that's where it starts focusing its energy.

02:33:22.000 And as it does, it begins to just strip away the rock.

02:33:26.000 Now what you're looking at here is this cataract complex is about five miles across.

02:33:31.000 And the water came and you see you've got those kind of curved finger lakes at the top.

02:33:35.000 And those tunnels?

02:33:37.000 Those are potholes.

02:33:38.000 That's insane.

02:33:39.000 Potholes are formed by underwater turbulence.

02:33:42.000 And in a flood this swiftly moving with this much turbulence, you literally have vorticular eddies, high intensity, high amplitude, high energy underwater tornadoes.

02:33:54.000 Literally underwater tornadoes.

02:33:56.000 Now these underwater tornadoes are typically, in this case, about a half a mile wide.

02:34:01.000 Oh my gosh!

02:34:01.000 And they're spinning at a high rate of speed, and right there, they're probably 600 feet deep.

02:34:06.000 Because the water pouring over the ridge is at least 200, and you can see what it's done to the bedrock.

02:34:12.000 Anybody listening, you've got to look at this.

02:34:14.000 You have to look at this and then listen to the scale.

02:34:16.000 This is a gigantic scar in the landscape, of which there are hundreds around this region.

02:34:24.000 And the exact location, Randall?

02:34:26.000 This is Potholes Cataract, the exact location.

02:34:31.000 Somebody wants to get to it?

02:34:32.000 We're in Washington State still?

02:34:34.000 Yes, we're in Washington State.

02:34:35.000 Central Washington is going to be right on the Columbia River, just below Wenatchee.

02:34:41.000 Okay, where we saw that huge erratic.

02:34:45.000 Giant 18,000-ton boulder brought there and chained in an iceberg, an iceberg floating on the flood, an iceberg the size of an oil tanker carrying an 18,000-ton boulder, carried on the flood, grounds 700 feet up a valley side,

02:35:01.000 rests there as the floodwaters recede, the ice melts away, and the boulder is left sitting there.

02:35:06.000 We're going to look at a picture of that boulder in a second.

02:35:09.000 What do the people back in this part of the country, what do they think about this?

02:35:13.000 Well, you know, they're only just catching on to what they're sitting on top of.

02:35:17.000 The first time I went out here in 98, there was the Ice Age Floods Institute, and I went to their only location, which was in the Better Business Bureau in Moses Lake, Washington.

02:35:29.000 And they had one room in the back of this Better Business Bureau, or no, Chamber of Commerce, Chamber of Commerce.

02:35:35.000 And there was two elderly ladies in there who were basically the overseers of the group. 1.00

02:35:40.000 Now there's about two dozen chapters.

02:35:43.000 And every year there's several guided field trips led by geologists who are studying this in their off time.

02:35:51.000 And I've been on a number of these just to participate and get the access to the geologists in order to pick their brains.

02:35:59.000 But this is very close to Wenatchee, Washington.

02:36:02.000 So if anybody's wanting to find this on Google Earth, this is a Google Earth image.

02:36:06.000 Now what we're going to do...

02:36:07.000 Oh, but before we leave the Google Earth image, I was going to explain that you've got those...

02:36:11.000 See those lakes, those meandering lakes up there?

02:36:14.000 What you've got to picture is you've got a sheet of water coming.

02:36:17.000 And as it's coming over this ridge, it's beginning to selectively erode into fault lines and cracks within the bedrock.

02:36:25.000 Can you picture that?

02:36:26.000 The water is going to naturally try to go into those low spots where there's cracks and fissures, and it'll start going from a sheet into channeling.

02:36:35.000 What goes from sheet to a channel, then that spills over the ridge.

02:36:39.000 And in the middle, you see this.

02:36:41.000 It's called a rock blade.

02:36:43.000 See that, the rock blade is that, yes, that's it right there, separating the two alcoves.

02:36:49.000 If the flood had continued for another few days, that rock blade would have been gone, and you would have had a single alcove up there.

02:36:58.000 Now, in the next, as this proceeds, what we're going to do is we're going to go down, and we're going to be right at the head of the rock blade.

02:37:05.000 Right there, yeah.

02:37:06.000 Right there.

02:37:07.000 We're standing right there.

02:37:09.000 So now you're going to get to see, as the drone is about to take off, you're seeing the landscape.

02:37:14.000 We're looking to the east in the direction of those Finger Lakes.

02:37:19.000 And I guess the soundtrack...

02:37:21.000 Is it not playing in the sound?

02:37:23.000 Oh, there we go.

02:37:24.000 Do you want to hear it?

02:37:25.000 A little Takata and Fugue in D minor.

02:37:28.000 Ooh.

02:37:29.000 Okay, and the landscape opens up.

02:37:31.000 So you're on that rock blade.

02:37:33.000 We're on the rock blade right there.

02:37:35.000 So now you can begin to see the scale of this thing that we were just seeing from Google Earth.

02:37:40.000 Well, now the way when you describe it, I mean, I would have just looked at it and go, wow, that's kind of cool looking.

02:37:46.000 I would have never have thought, oh, that was obviously created by water pouring through.

02:37:51.000 That's the problem is because we haven't had the scale of perception.

02:37:55.000 It took Brett's 25 years to put the pieces together.

02:37:59.000 Well, also, we haven't been able to take these sort of high resolution photographs from drones right above it until recently.

02:38:06.000 Yeah, that gives us a whole other insight.

02:38:09.000 I mean, it used to be $1,000 an hour to get up there in a helicopter.

02:38:11.000 Now you can fly a drone around, you know.

02:38:13.000 With a phone.

02:38:14.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:38:15.000 GoPro on it.

02:38:16.000 Right here in the middle ground, you see that big hole?

02:38:18.000 That's about 200 feet in diameter.

02:38:20.000 That's a pothole that was created by this swirling vortex of massively turbulent water. 0.99

02:38:28.000 Holy shit, this is incredible. 0.92

02:38:30.000 In other words, the evidence is all over the landscape, staring us in the eyes, and it's only in the recent years that it's started to make sense. 0.99

02:38:38.000 We've evolved the eyes to be able to see this.

02:38:41.000 And so now by going out here with a drone, I've been over this landscape several times in a small plane to see it from that perspective.

02:38:48.000 But now, like he just said, like Graham just said, now we've got a drone that can go up and see it from a whole different perspective.

02:38:55.000 And now you can see the man standing right down there on the rock.

02:39:00.000 No.

02:39:01.000 Do you see him?

02:39:01.000 Oh, that little dude?

02:39:02.000 Yeah.

02:39:03.000 That little dude.

02:39:04.000 Yeah.

02:39:04.000 That little dude is six feet tall.

02:39:07.000 He's not that little.

02:39:08.000 I mean, on the picture, he's little.

02:39:10.000 No, no.

02:39:10.000 In real life, he's actually only four inches.

02:39:14.000 It's an illusion.

02:39:16.000 What's to me stunning, I mean, this is really beautiful and cool and everything like that, but what's really stunning is the initial picture, where it becomes so obvious, that above picture where you see the farmland and that just, it's so obviously cut.

02:39:29.000 Cut.

02:39:30.000 Sliced out of the landscape.

02:39:30.000 Well, let's see the rest of it then.

02:39:32.000 As the drone flies over, yeah.

02:39:35.000 And then we have what's called classic scab land.

02:39:39.000 You see all these mounds, these kind of lumps?

02:39:41.000 That's what are the scabs on the scab land.

02:39:44.000 That's why it's called scab land.

02:39:45.000 And again, it's flooding that causes it, plucking, differentially plucking material off the surface.

02:39:51.000 Wow.

02:39:52.000 This is incredible.

02:39:53.000 And then there's water remaining.

02:39:55.000 Yeah, they fill the potholes, yeah. 0.59

02:39:58.000 There you get a sense of the rock blade.

02:40:02.000 Well, there you get a sense of what the volume of water must have looked like when it was rushing through there.

02:40:07.000 Right.

02:40:07.000 And see, this is just...

02:40:08.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:40:10.000 I mean, we've looked at two features now, Camas Prairie and Potholes Cataract. 0.97

02:40:14.000 We could sit here for the next 10 hours looking at dozens and dozens of these mega features.

02:40:20.000 And you look at, there's a whole bar.

02:40:22.000 This is a gravel bar.

02:40:24.000 Over there.

02:40:26.000 See the giant ripples on it?

02:40:28.000 You see those?

02:40:29.000 Yeah.

02:40:30.000 I've never seen those reported in the literature.

02:40:32.000 It may be that nobody's ever really seen them before.

02:40:35.000 Or no one's ever paid attention.

02:40:36.000 Nobody's ever paid attention, but there they are.

02:40:38.000 So what is mainstream science used to describe this sort of, or mainstream archaeology used to describe these features?

02:40:45.000 This would be geology.

02:40:47.000 Well, catastrophic flooding.

02:40:49.000 So they believe this is catastrophic flooding as well.

02:40:52.000 They just think it's a slower...

02:40:54.000 They think it's lots of small catastrophic floods.

02:40:56.000 Not one big catastrophic flood.

02:40:59.000 And what kind of timeline are these geologists putting on this?

02:41:02.000 Oh, two or three thousand years.

02:41:03.000 And why do they think that?

02:41:05.000 Well, because of the ice dammed model and how much time it would take.

02:41:10.000 See, it gets complicated.

02:41:12.000 And because, until the comet researched, there was no credible source of heat that could melt that amount of ice and cause that.

02:41:20.000 That's the new factor that's come into the equation.

02:41:23.000 Now, look at the people standing on the cliff edge there, the edge of the rock.

02:41:27.000 Do you see them down there?

02:41:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:41:28.000 So now you get the sense of what would survive, again, in the aftermath.

02:41:33.000 Not that dude.

02:41:34.000 No, not that dude.

02:41:37.000 Not that dude or his buddies. 0.56

02:41:40.000 This is a crazy place, man.

02:41:42.000 It's crazy to look at.

02:41:44.000 It's just so...

02:41:45.000 When you're looking above it, like even here, I mean, you get a sense of it, but if you had just showed this to me, quite honestly, I probably wouldn't have pieced that together.

02:41:54.000 But when you look at it, the original image, it's so blatantly obvious.

02:41:58.000 Right.

02:41:58.000 Well, that's the thing now, is we are in this position where we can see it.

02:42:02.000 And when I take people out in the field, what I do is I prep them first by showing these images from NASA, the satellite photography, the Google Earth imagery, aerial photography.

02:42:15.000 Then ground photography, and then you go out in the landscape.

02:42:19.000 And at that point, you can start having this framework for understanding what you're seeing.

02:42:23.000 Otherwise, you just don't.

02:42:24.000 The scale of it is too vast.

02:42:26.000 It's amazing.

02:42:27.000 It's really amazing.

02:42:29.000 And this is, you know, this is...

02:42:31.000 An adventure of exploration that we're just getting launched on.

02:42:35.000 This is recovering the lost past of humanity.

02:42:40.000 And if I may, I want to make a pitch again for the Comet Research Group.

02:42:46.000 I think it's really important.

02:42:47.000 It's not just a matter of funding their research.

02:42:50.000 It's also a matter of sending a message that we the people are prepared to take matters into our own hands and Support those scientists who are working with open minds, inquiring into the past.

02:43:03.000 And whether you give a dollar or a hundred dollars or whatever, any little counts.

02:43:08.000 It's the voice of the people as much as the money that really matters.

02:43:13.000 These guys, the Comet Research Group, they need their research funding.

02:43:16.000 They have an Indiegogo crowdfunding campaign.

02:43:18.000 You can go to my website.com.

02:43:20.000 Press the Comet Research Group banner.

02:43:22.000 It will take you to a page with all the relevant links.

02:43:25.000 Please consider supporting it.

02:43:26.000 It's valid, it's worthwhile, it's worthy work, and it has the potential to change the whole story of our past and our future.

02:43:33.000 And it's a story that would be incredibly exciting to be a part of.

02:43:38.000 And that's what I'm trying to get people to think.

02:43:40.000 Look, there's this thing happening, and it really, it is democratic in its own way.

02:43:45.000 And you don't have to be some specialist or a particular authority in some branch of academically approved science to begin to appreciate and understand this.

02:43:55.000 Well, you're a human being.

02:43:57.000 Getting out into the field and seeing this kind of stuff firsthand, getting it into the discussion and the debate, and spending more time on this, because it's such an interesting story.

02:44:07.000 And that's what the scientists at the Comet Research Group are offering, that the people who contribute will participate in certain ways in this research in the future.

02:44:15.000 Well, what I was going to say is we're all human beings.

02:44:17.000 We're a part of this planet.

02:44:18.000 We are pedestrians walking along.

02:44:21.000 We're being carried by this planet.

02:44:24.000 And all this stuff is our right.

02:44:26.000 It's your right to understand what the history of this crazy rock is.

02:44:30.000 Has gone through.

02:44:31.000 Absolutely.

02:44:32.000 This is amazing.

02:44:33.000 It's amazing stuff.

02:44:34.000 And the perspective to understand this is like this.

02:44:37.000 For 12,000 years, this story has been written into the landscape of the Earth.

02:44:42.000 And only now are we able to step back and begin to see the big picture in tandem with ever greater detail.

02:44:52.000 And what's emerging is really, it's a really wild tale.

02:44:56.000 But the evidence is there to support it completely.

02:45:00.000 This is the story I've told in Magicians of the Gods.

02:45:04.000 This is recovering this lost memory.

02:45:07.000 It really is wild.

02:45:08.000 Our time here on this planet has been confusing for so many reasons, and one of the big ones is not understanding how we got here, and that's one of the reasons why your book, I think, is so important to me, just give you this new perspective of how this sort of civilization emerged.

02:45:25.000 Another problem that I think we deal with all the time is light pollution.

02:45:29.000 I think light pollution...

02:45:30.000 We never see the stars.

02:45:31.000 I think it's really a perspective blocker in a big way.

02:45:35.000 No, it absolutely is.

02:45:37.000 Randall and I were having a discussion earlier about how ancient cultures related to the cosmos.

02:45:42.000 As above, so below.

02:45:43.000 They felt themselves connected with the cosmos.

02:45:45.000 They made their monuments in alignment with key celestial bodies.

02:45:49.000 They did it very carefully.

02:45:51.000 There was a sense of bringing down the enchantment of the heavens onto Earth.

02:45:56.000 In modern societies, we can't even see the stars.

02:45:59.000 You live in the middle of a big city, the stars are gone.

02:46:01.000 The light pollution just blots them out.

02:46:04.000 You never think they're there, and you forget, actually, that you're part of a majestic cosmos.

02:46:09.000 Everything about it is mystery.

02:46:10.000 We are immersed in mystery from the moment we're born to the moment we die, and yet our society is telling us, oh, it's all very prosaic and dull, and it's just about production and consumption.

02:46:19.000 Everything's all explained, so you don't really need to worry yourself about it too much, because some authority somewhere has it all figured out.

02:46:25.000 No one has it all figured out.

02:46:26.000 It's not possible.

02:46:27.000 I think everybody owes it to themselves to go out into the desert in the middle of...

02:46:32.000 When you know there's a stretch where the moon is not going to be out and there's going to be clear skies, especially if you live in Southern California, you can get out to the desert pretty easy.

02:46:40.000 Just get out away from all the cities and just look up and it'll freak you out.

02:46:43.000 It'll freak you out because it's one of those things that you kind of really take for granted because most of the time the sky is just a dark black...

02:46:52.000 Featureless thing with a couple little white dots that aren't really that compelling. 0.86

02:46:56.000 But when you get out there and you see the actual Milky Way itself, you go, oh, holy shit.

02:47:00.000 Well, see, now we could have, you know, every year there's probably a dozen high-altitude events that could have been witnessed by ancient peoples that we are completely oblivious to because of our urban existence, because of light pollution.

02:47:14.000 Because nobody is really looking at the sky.

02:47:16.000 But these high-altitude events would be essentially equivalent to, like, Hiroshima-sized bombs going off 20 miles up.

02:47:24.000 And we miss those?

02:47:25.000 Yeah.

02:47:26.000 Especially like if it's in the daytime, and you're not looking right up there, you're not going to see it.

02:47:30.000 And at night, if you're living in the city, if you're inside the light pollution, by the time it happens, it's over.

02:47:38.000 But if you're out in a completely wilderness area where you've got...

02:47:43.000 You know, visual access to the stars, and you're aware of that, and you're constantly aware of the presence of the sky, you're going to see much more of that kind of thing happening.

02:47:53.000 Then, if the cosmos decides to get a little bit more active, which it apparently does from time to time, suddenly the sky is now, becomes a major factor in your existence, your tribal existence, your cultural existence.

02:48:09.000 Especially if in those episodes you have multiple fireball-type events that could be on the scale of anywhere from Chelyabinsk up to Tunguska.

02:48:18.000 And that's what Klub and Napier, that's their scenario, is these clusters of...

02:48:25.000 We enter episodes of bombardment when we are passing through a filament of the torrid meteor stream that's thick with heavy debris.

02:48:33.000 Asteroids of a kilometer or more in diameter.

02:48:35.000 When we enter those filaments, we are entering a period of episodic bombardment when human civilization is at risk.

02:48:42.000 And according to their calculations, we are entering one of those filaments in the next 30 years.

02:48:47.000 Jesus!

02:48:47.000 And that's why we need to pay attention to this, because 30 years is enough time to do something about it.

02:48:53.000 If we apply the resources of our civilization to this, we can solve this problem.

02:48:58.000 Let's look at a couple more pictures.

02:49:01.000 Because I'd like to get the picture of Graham.

02:49:02.000 People are too busy making new phones.

02:49:04.000 They don't have time to fix the asteroid thing.

02:49:06.000 Exactly.

02:49:07.000 We need a phone that projects images and holograms.

02:49:10.000 That's my contention that it's going to take a little nudge.

02:49:14.000 Again, the serious commercial talk of mining asteroids, that is the way into this.

02:49:19.000 If they can see an economic return for them, then maybe they'll do the good thing actually for the human race.

02:49:25.000 Would this have to be a manned expedition like Bruce Willis in that asteroid movie?

02:49:28.000 No, not necessary.

02:49:29.000 Okay.

02:49:30.000 What's the image that we want to show?

02:49:31.000 Well, Jamie, why don't you go to the folder of the one we opened.

02:49:36.000 The folder of awesomeness?

02:49:37.000 The folder of awesomeness.

02:49:41.000 Yeah, just let's start with 1007. What are we going to look at here?

02:49:47.000 Well, we're going to look at some NASA stuff.

02:49:49.000 Oh, cool.

02:49:49.000 And then we'll look at a couple of Google Earth things, and then we will look at a couple of U.S. Geological Survey things, and then we'll look at some photographs.

02:49:59.000 Five minutes worth.

02:50:01.000 Okay, let's do it.

02:50:01.000 What do we got?

02:50:02.000 Whoa. 1.00

02:50:03.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:50:04.000 This is one of the early NASA photographs taken from 500 miles up back in the late 70s, actually. 0.99

02:50:12.000 And what we got here is the two big scabland tracks that show two of the big meltwater streams that have left their scars in the landscape.

02:50:22.000 So each one of those varies roughly between 10 and 20 miles wide, and the bigger one on the right is probably 50 to 60 miles long, or actually a little bit longer than that.

02:50:34.000 But you can actually see that when the water swept down from the north out of British Columbia, it washed away 200 feet, roughly, 1 to 200 feet of the existing topsoil that had covered the basalt bedrock.

02:50:49.000 Basalt bedrock, by the way, that was originally formed by eruptions of the Yellowstone caldera, interestingly.

02:50:56.000 So the water came down, swept away the topsoil, and left the bare, dark basalt exposed down below.

02:51:05.000 The feature that we just looked at is not even really in this NASA photograph.

02:51:10.000 It's over to the west.

02:51:12.000 But let's go ahead to the next one, Jamie.

02:51:15.000 That's the Snake River down there, which is...

02:51:18.000 Yes.

02:51:18.000 Where's the Snake River?

02:51:20.000 Snake River comes up out of Idaho and it joins the Columbia and then flows out to the Pacific Ocean.

02:51:27.000 All right, then we've got a Google Earth image coming up.

02:51:31.000 What number?

02:51:33.000 Oh, okay.

02:51:33.000 It's all in order because there's a lot in here.

02:51:36.000 Oh, okay.

02:51:37.000 Tell me which number you want me to pull up.

02:51:39.000 It'll be 1008, 1008, the next one.

02:51:42.000 What's going on with our TV? It keeps going off and on.

02:51:45.000 That TV is not really made for the way we use it, so it doesn't like the inputs, and I just turned it off so I could pull up the next one.

02:51:51.000 Okay.

02:51:55.000 There we go.

02:51:59.000 So now we're getting actually a bigger view of the landscape, and you can see the two meltwater...

02:52:05.000 That's a scab land track.

02:52:07.000 Mm-hmm.

02:52:12.000 No one can hear you if you do this.

02:52:14.000 Just tell me where it is.

02:52:16.000 I get it.

02:52:16.000 Okay.

02:52:17.000 So there's the two scabland tracks.

02:52:19.000 Right.

02:52:19.000 Then you've got the Grand Coulee, which is that dark ribbon going up to Columbia River there.

02:52:26.000 Grand Coulee Dam is right almost, you almost had it.

02:52:29.000 It's where the Columbia River suddenly gets skinny.

02:52:32.000 Right there.

02:52:33.000 That's Grand Coulee Dam. 1.00

02:52:34.000 That's the widest, the most massive concrete dam in North America.

02:52:37.000 And it's impounding water in Franklin Delano Roosevelt Lake to about 400 feet deep.

02:52:43.000 Now, all of the area at the top, the green mountainous area, this was all covered in ice.

02:52:49.000 And then over to the left, right there, you have that brown area, and do you see the kind of semi-circular arc of dark ground right there?

02:52:59.000 Yes.

02:53:00.000 That is where a tongue of the ice came out of Canada, and it stopped right there.

02:53:05.000 And when it receded, when it melted back, What it did was it left all this rubble that can't really be farmed effectively.

02:53:14.000 It's called till, glacial till.

02:53:16.000 And where the glacier ended, that's called moraine.

02:53:20.000 And you can see it's circular where the glacier came.

02:53:24.000 And then coming right off the snout of the glacier, do you see kind of a...

02:53:28.000 A ribbony, that's a giant scar in the landscape that was formed by a meltwater stream coming off of that ice sheet.

02:53:35.000 It's called Moses Coulee.

02:53:37.000 Hey, Randall, I think we should keep in mind a lot of the audience aren't actually seeing the visuals on this.

02:53:42.000 They're not.

02:53:43.000 What I want to say is that all across the Pacific Northwest is a landscape that has been utterly scarred and devastated by gigantic flood that took place 12,000.

02:53:51.000 It's left its marks everywhere.

02:53:53.000 And this is right near Coeur d'Alene.

02:53:55.000 So Coeur d'Alene is from that.

02:53:57.000 That's the residue of this melting.

02:53:58.000 You see Coeur d'Alene right there.

02:53:59.000 If people go to the Geocosmic Rex website or the Sacred Geometry International website, they can see most of the images that we're showing here.

02:54:08.000 Well, they'll see it if they watch the YouTube video.

02:54:09.000 They can watch it and hear you talk about it at the same time.

02:54:12.000 It's just the vast majority, probably 90% of our people just listen.

02:54:15.000 Are not seeing the visuals right now.

02:54:17.000 But they can.

02:54:18.000 And so they probably will.

02:54:19.000 So they can go to that and watch it.

02:54:22.000 You can look down.

02:54:23.000 Way down on the lower left is the Potholes cataract.

02:54:27.000 Right...

02:54:28.000 Go up a little, up along the river, come down south, south, keep coming, keep coming, stop.

02:54:36.000 Look to the right of the river.

02:54:37.000 That's what we were just...

02:54:39.000 This man knows his landscapes.

02:54:41.000 No, to the right.

02:54:42.000 To the right.

02:54:43.000 To the right, Jamie.

02:54:44.000 Jamie, how dare you.

02:54:47.000 Yeah, this whole area.

02:54:49.000 So we get it.

02:54:50.000 This whole area has been absolutely unequivocally, undeniably...

02:54:54.000 Right.

02:54:54.000 So as you see this, Joe, and you realize the scale of what we just looked at, and now you're seeing that within this whole landscape that was essentially inundated.

02:55:04.000 You'll start to get the scale of the thing, and that's what I'm trying to do here.

02:55:08.000 If you, Joe, can get the scale of this in your mind, I've accomplished something today.

02:55:13.000 Yeah, I think I got it from that one image.

02:55:15.000 That was a real mind blower.

02:55:17.000 The ripples?

02:55:17.000 Yeah, the ripples.

02:55:18.000 The ripples, yeah.

02:55:19.000 Well, the ripples were a real mind blower, and then the other one with the farmland, and then this massive channel cut into it.

02:55:24.000 You kind of get it.

02:55:26.000 Yeah, the ripples...

02:55:27.000 Aren't even on this image.

02:55:28.000 They're way to the East.

02:55:30.000 Has anybody sat down with you and tried to dispute this?

02:55:33.000 I mean, the people that believe that this was a slow and gradual effect, has anybody sat down and tried to debate you on this?

02:55:40.000 No.

02:55:40.000 This seems like something that would be really interesting to debate.

02:55:43.000 I mean, I would love to see someone who's a geologist that, you know, I'm sure there's someone out there that is listening to this that may have a dispute with it.

02:55:51.000 You bet there is.

02:55:52.000 I'm sure.

02:55:53.000 But I would love to see them talk to you about it and go over all the various things.

02:56:00.000 The nuclear glass that they find, the, I mean, all of it, all the...

02:56:05.000 From top to bottom.

02:56:06.000 Here's the thing, Joe.

02:56:06.000 At this point, nobody is connecting the work of the Comet Research Group with the Missoula flood effects that we're looking at, or all the rest.

02:56:15.000 Except us.

02:56:16.000 That's crazy.

02:56:17.000 Most people are like, that's crazy.

02:56:18.000 How is it possible?

02:56:19.000 Because it's the missing link.

02:56:20.000 It's such an obvious connection and it really merits exploration.

02:56:24.000 Here's what scares the shit out of me. 0.77

02:56:25.000 What if you guys didn't exist? 0.99

02:56:27.000 What if you guys were never born?

02:56:28.000 What if you never wrote that book? 1.00

02:56:29.000 What if you've never been freaking out about this shit your whole life? 0.99

02:56:32.000 How would I know about this? 0.99

02:56:33.000 How many times in the human story has this happened where stuff has just not been explored that really needed to be?

02:56:39.000 But that sounds crazy to something like a Michael Shermer, to a skeptical person.

02:56:43.000 Well, I'd say to Michael Shermer, come on, man, let's go spend a week out in that landscape.

02:56:47.000 Well, he does want to debate you.

02:56:48.000 He wants to sit down and debate you, Graham.

02:56:50.000 Can we set that up?

02:56:51.000 We can set that up.

02:56:52.000 I would love it.

02:56:53.000 Yeah, that sounds like fun.

02:56:56.000 Yes, it would be a good time.

02:56:57.000 Well, in my mind, there's really no arguing with this evidence.

02:57:02.000 I mean, it's too overwhelming.

02:57:03.000 And the question really comes down to...

02:57:06.000 At this point, nobody disputes that there were catastrophic floods.

02:57:09.000 The question is, what was the mechanism?

02:57:12.000 How many were there?

02:57:13.000 How long did it take?

02:57:14.000 How long did it take?

02:57:16.000 Was it a bunch of catastrophic but smaller floods?

02:57:19.000 Or was it back to Bretz's original model of one giant flood?

02:57:23.000 And I think the truth actually lies somewhere between the two.

02:57:27.000 And again, the geology gets complicated, but I'm writing it up.

02:57:31.000 So I will explain in detail what my thoughts are, and after having crisscrossed thousands of miles of this landscape repeatedly, and basically absorbed every piece of scientific literature ever written on it, I've evolved some ideas about what could have happened here and how it happened.

02:57:50.000 Well, I was a grown adult, and I found out that North America, most of it was by What was it, 10, 12,000 years ago, was covered by a mile-high sheet of ice.

02:58:01.000 Which, yes.

02:58:02.000 But I was a grown adult, and I went, what?

02:58:04.000 North America, roughly north of Minneapolis.

02:58:06.000 Yeah.

02:58:06.000 And that's common knowledge, right?

02:58:08.000 I mean, everybody knew that.

02:58:09.000 Anybody who's actually studied the history of it, but it never made it to my dopey head until I was a grown adult.

02:58:15.000 And then I went, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

02:58:17.000 What?

02:58:17.000 The idea in my mind that this whole thing was covered just 12,000 years ago.

02:58:23.000 That seems so incredibly recent.

02:58:26.000 And by the way, that ice was more like two miles deep.

02:58:30.000 Consider the weight of those ice masses pressing down.

02:58:32.000 I mean, anything that was there before the ice came down would have been ground to powder.

02:58:37.000 And then as the ice cataclysmically melts, everything below it is washed away forever.

02:58:41.000 It's like an eraser for the world.

02:58:44.000 That's exactly, that's a great phrase, an eraser for the world.

02:58:47.000 And that is the thing that so many of the skeptics haven't factored into their thinking when they're going, well, where's the evidence?

02:58:53.000 The evidence, as you've got to understand, is that we have to rethink the possibility of evidence once we know that there has been these erasers of the world that have transpired.

02:59:04.000 And not just once, but I mean, what we're looking at here is probably the most severe events in the last five million years.

02:59:12.000 And I have a reason for using that number five million.

02:59:14.000 What's the reason?

02:59:15.000 Well, the reason is it's based upon the severity of the mass extinction.

02:59:19.000 We have to go back five million years to find an extinction Event of an equivalent level as what occurred at the Younger Dryas.

02:59:28.000 It's funny because what I would call a knee-jerk, skeptical person would always say that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

02:59:34.000 Is there anything more extraordinary than that image of those farmlands and that giant swath cut into the land that's a mile across?

02:59:41.000 That is the extraordinary evidence.

02:59:42.000 That is it, yes.

02:59:43.000 That's exactly right.

02:59:44.000 Pretty extraordinary.

02:59:45.000 And then the core samples.

02:59:47.000 The core samples that show this massive fluctuation of temperature.

02:59:50.000 Yeah, that we've looked at.

02:59:52.000 Yeah.

02:59:52.000 That coincides with the melting of the ice.

02:59:55.000 It obviously all leads, even to someone like me, it leads to an event.

03:00:01.000 And this cataclysmic episode immediately precedes the time when we've been told that civilization began.

03:00:07.000 That's the other point which is really important.

03:00:09.000 We have this huge punctuation mark and then civilization suddenly starts to evolve.

03:00:14.000 No, it was there before.

03:00:15.000 This is a reinvention.

03:00:16.000 Those hunter-gatherers, like those people that you would watch in one of those shows where they survive in Alaska.

03:00:20.000 You ever watch those shows?

03:00:21.000 Yes. 1.00

03:00:22.000 Those shows are great, like Life Below Zero, those crazy assholes. 1.00

03:00:26.000 Those people would make it. 1.00

03:00:27.000 Those people would make it, and they would breed, and they would carry on.

03:00:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:00:31.000 What does that, what does it say?

03:00:33.000 1012. Oh, you can just say it.

03:00:35.000 Next image.

03:00:36.000 No, I don't want to interrupt you, Joe.

03:00:38.000 No worries.

03:00:39.000 Look at this.

03:00:40.000 Wow.

03:00:41.000 Okay, so that, to me, I'm looking at this after what you've told me.

03:00:43.000 That looks like water that has sort of receded and left these lines in the hillside.

03:00:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

03:00:48.000 Think of a bathtub ring.

03:00:50.000 After, Joe, you get in there and you take a bath and the water is basically brown with sediment. 1.00

03:00:55.000 What kind of fucking baths are you taking? 0.99

03:00:57.000 It leaves bathtub rings. 1.00

03:01:00.000 You're leaving sediment in your tub?

03:01:02.000 And you're quoting Genesis, and the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth, and all the high hills were covered.

03:01:09.000 Wow.

03:01:10.000 Not because I'm, you know, trying to pump the biblical flood model.

03:01:14.000 I'm far from it.

03:01:15.000 What I am trying to do is throw out pictures whenever I realize here's a great quote, and it doesn't matter where it's from because there's so many flood legends you can quote from.

03:01:22.000 Well, the biblical flood model is, it is one of those myths, it's one of those traditions that have come to, one of thousands of traditions that speak of this.

03:01:31.000 The whole ancestral memory of the human race is telling us that something terrible happened.

03:01:36.000 It's also very unfortunate that that's all connected with an ideology that a lot of people find problematic.

03:01:42.000 Like that there's issues with that being, you know, religion or cult.

03:01:47.000 We must immediately realize the flood is not the property of the monotheistic religions.

03:01:51.000 The flood is found in every culture on earth.

03:01:55.000 Also in that a lot of these stories you're talking about massive translations from ancient Hebrew to Latin to Greek and a lot is lost in the process and you're dealing with a lot of these stories were handed down from generation to generation for like what was it like a thousand years before the first version was ever written?

03:02:12.000 Absolutely.

03:02:12.000 That is unbelievably fascinating.

03:02:16.000 Go to 1014-1014, and we'll see a topographic map.

03:02:24.000 Ah, yeah.

03:02:25.000 Whoa.

03:02:27.000 Now that you know, it's crazy.

03:02:31.000 It looks like you had a sandcastle or some flat sand set up, and a wave came in and cut through it and then pulled back.

03:02:40.000 The wave came from the north, and it swept down over the landscape and basically carved and plucked and quarried and gouged and gashed that landscape.

03:02:50.000 Wow.

03:02:51.000 And this is one of the places Graham and I went.

03:02:53.000 If you look right in there, you'll see where it says Grand, part of Grand Coulee, G-R-A-N-D, right there where the D is.

03:03:01.000 We have a great video clip online of me and Graham.

03:03:04.000 We're looking at this actual topo map right here and then surveying the cataract around us.

03:03:11.000 You'll also notice that there's a rock blade.

03:03:14.000 Just like similar to the one that we just saw in the drone footage.

03:03:17.000 See the rock blade?

03:03:18.000 And you recognize the alcoves now?

03:03:21.000 Yeah.

03:03:22.000 And if we go to the next one, we have a Google Earth image of 1015 of this feature.

03:03:33.000 And there's the Google Earth image and for scale, in the upper left hand, I've superimposed Niagara Falls at the same scale.

03:03:42.000 So you can see by comparison.

03:03:45.000 Wow.

03:03:46.000 Have you been to Niagara Falls, Joe?

03:03:48.000 I went when I was a little kid, but I honestly don't remember.

03:03:51.000 I think I went when I was a little kid.

03:03:53.000 I'll have to check with my mom, honestly.

03:03:54.000 It's impressive to see it.

03:03:55.000 But the point here is that anybody looking at this, and if the folks look at the imagery online, they can see it.

03:04:03.000 Is that one of the biggest waterfalls in the world?

03:04:06.000 What, Niagara?

03:04:06.000 Yeah.

03:04:07.000 Not in terms of volume.

03:04:08.000 No, what is the biggest?

03:04:10.000 African or something? 0.98

03:04:11.000 Yeah, or South American, maybe Victoria Falls.

03:04:13.000 It depends, you know, the highest or the greatest volume.

03:04:16.000 It's about 200,000, between 150 and 200,000 cubic feet per second going over those falls, depending on the flow of the river.

03:04:25.000 But the flow that came through here was about 350 million cubic feet per second.

03:04:31.000 And left this.

03:04:32.000 And, yeah, if you go online on the Geocosmic Wrecks website, there's a video clip of me and Graham down there just by Perch Lake.

03:04:42.000 May I ask you a question here?

03:04:43.000 Yeah.

03:04:44.000 Now, if the water that was creating Grand Canyon, or the Niagara Falls, rather, right up there, if that all receded and we could see the bottom, wouldn't it look similar to what you're seeing here?

03:04:55.000 The one of Grand Canyon?

03:04:57.000 No, excuse me, with Niagara Falls, right there, right above it, right there.

03:05:00.000 Yes, it would, but on a smaller scale.

03:05:02.000 On a smaller scale.

03:05:03.000 But like on a smaller scale, like some of the smaller features that you see right there, right?

03:05:07.000 Yeah, and that's the thing.

03:05:08.000 You were saying earlier, it's fractal.

03:05:10.000 The interesting thing about water erosion and sedimentation is it's scale invariant.

03:05:14.000 So you can look at features, and coming up in the pictures here, I've got a beautiful example of scale invariance, where you see the small version and the large version, and it's exactly the same thing.

03:05:24.000 That's why if you go into any geology techs, they've always got something in the photographs, like a rock pic or a person standing there.

03:05:32.000 Otherwise, it's hard to get a sense of the scale of what you're looking at, right?

03:05:36.000 So my question, though, was that if that's the case, if you could drain Niagara Falls and it would have a similar feature set to what you're seeing on the ground there, well, we know that Niagara Falls has been doing that for a long, long time.

03:05:48.000 12,000 years of work of the river at Niagara Falls.

03:05:51.000 Here you're looking at a moment in time that unfolded in a few weeks.

03:05:54.000 Right, but how do we know that?

03:05:56.000 Well, for one thing, the scale of it.

03:05:57.000 Because, in other words, how long would it take Niagara to carve something on this scale?

03:06:05.000 If it's taken Niagara 10,000 years, say, to carve that, How long would it take an equivalent flow to carve this?

03:06:13.000 What would Niagara look like if you drained it, though?

03:06:15.000 What would it look like in equivalent to any of these things you see right here?

03:06:18.000 Well, for one thing, it's not basalt bedrock, so you're not going to see quite the same type of erosion, because really what you've got to consider is that all different rock types erode differently.

03:06:29.000 Also, you know, what happens is you have regimes of flow, so that what you have in Niagara today is a lower flow regime, which doesn't have anywhere near the type of turbulence or erosive potential is when you get water moving at 50 or 60 miles an hour.

03:06:46.000 One reason we definitely can know that this is the case is because we see the association with the giant current ripples, we see the boulders that have been Plucked and quarried, and some of them are 40 and 50 feet in diameter, you see?

03:07:00.000 And we'll look at some of those coming up in the next picture.

03:07:04.000 Do you have that image that you were talking about before of that one gigantic boulder that was carried on?

03:07:09.000 Yes, it's coming up.

03:07:10.000 If we move quickly through here, we'll get to it.

03:07:16.000 1017, and that'll be from the ground view, again with Niagara Falls superimposed for scale.

03:07:24.000 The Horseshoe Falls, the Canadian Falls, superimposed for scale.

03:07:28.000 Now, basically that The cataract at Horseshoe Falls is about 120 feet in height.

03:07:35.000 The cliff wall of this giant cataract is about 400 feet high.

03:07:39.000 And then you see the beginning of the blade rock out there, and the full extent of the thing actually goes all the way to the horizon.

03:07:47.000 But we can't see that beyond there, but this erosion goes all the way to the horizon.

03:07:51.000 And that cut into stone.

03:07:53.000 That cut into basalt.

03:07:54.000 Hard columnar basalt.

03:07:56.000 God!

03:07:57.000 That was extruded basically with the eruption of the Yellowstone caldera 15 million years ago, basically, but then covered up by a couple of hundred feet of lost topsoil, and then that was exposed when the floods came through.

03:08:13.000 Go to the next 1018, and you'll see an example of some of the debris that was left behind by the floodwaters when they finally ceased.

03:08:26.000 There's the stuff that you're looking at.

03:08:27.000 Now, the bigger stuff there is 30 and 40 feet.

03:08:30.000 Those would be like four-story buildings down there.

03:08:33.000 So those are just washed away by this gigantic river.

03:08:37.000 Yeah, that's just this...

03:08:38.000 Right, this massive, gigantic river moving 50, 60 miles an hour, sweeps through there, plucks and tears the bedrock, and then when the spigots finally get turned off, the water starts subsiding, and this stuff that's being carried in there just gets left in the wake,

03:08:54.000 just like you're going to see any...

03:08:55.000 Modern, smaller flood is going to leave material in its wake.

03:08:58.000 The difference is this material is piles of boulders the size of houses, gravel bars two and three hundred feet thick and three miles long, and they're all in it.

03:09:08.000 So see, the answer to your question is, and this is how Bretz finally did it, was by showing that it was the full suite of evidence taken integrally that created a picture that was undeniable to the skeptics.

03:09:22.000 It was overwhelming, because every piece fit together too perfectly.

03:09:28.000 And there was no other explanation other than gigantic hydraulic events.

03:09:33.000 And now it's a question of the detail.

03:09:36.000 What caused them?

03:09:37.000 How long did it take?

03:09:39.000 And that's where the controversy is now.

03:09:43.000 This is amazing.

03:09:44.000 It's amazing and terrifying.

03:09:46.000 But what's cool about it is it's terrifying, but everything's okay right now.

03:09:50.000 Everything's okay right now.

03:09:51.000 Right now.

03:09:51.000 So it's like you feel like, ah, I'll be fine.

03:09:54.000 But maybe not, if something like this happens again.

03:09:57.000 Well, you have to ask, what could be the change in the human orientation to life on this planet?

03:10:03.000 Like, for example, I remember the first Earth Day, 1970, right?

03:10:08.000 When this consciousness about, hey, you know what?

03:10:12.000 Our existence on this planet is having an effect on this planet, right?

03:10:15.000 And at that point you see this whole environmental consciousness emerge that didn't exist before that, right?

03:10:23.000 Well, I think maybe in the next decade or two we're going to see a new environmental consciousness that involves the recognition that this planet we live on is a very dynamic place, and has been so, and is the key to deciphering a lot of mysteries, geological,

03:10:38.000 cultural, historical, and paleontological, biological, etc.

03:10:44.000 That this has been a dominant factor in the evolution of Basically everything that's been going on on this planet whether you're looking at millions of years or thousands of years It's just it's such a strange time to be alive where all this stuff is coming together all this information is being exposed As though a hidden archive has been has been broken open and the stuff is spilling out and you don't know Whether you've opened Pandora's box

03:11:14.000 by letting it out, but...

03:11:16.000 And it's all logical.

03:11:16.000 It's all logical.

03:11:17.000 It's so easy to follow.

03:11:18.000 It's all, I mean, it seems like when it comes to like a step-by-step...

03:11:22.000 1029. 1029, coming up.

03:11:24.000 1029. I feel like I'm a bingo guy.

03:11:28.000 Now this, we're going to travel about 500 miles south out onto the Utah...

03:11:34.000 That's beautiful.

03:11:35.000 And what you're seeing there is basically dry cataracts.

03:11:40.000 Now that you've seen these cataracts, you can begin to recognize them all over the place.

03:11:45.000 Now this has not been acknowledged as being a cataract, but what you actually see when you look at the modern erosion is that these features are being slowly eroded and eaten away by the modern erosion.

03:11:57.000 And it's a different erosional regime altogether that creates features like this.

03:12:02.000 And this is a vast scale of erosion here, and when you travel over the Southwest, that is the most striking thing that you're going to experience if you're empathic with the landscape, which is that there's been this enormous amount of erosion.

03:12:17.000 Now, I'm not saying that this enormous amount of erosion was all created by one flood, but I think what it is possibly saying is that when we go back over several million years, Gigantic floods on this scale aren't that exceptional.

03:12:31.000 That there's something that from time to time...

03:12:34.000 And see, here's the thing.

03:12:35.000 This is completely removed from the glaciers.

03:12:38.000 Any water that would have eroded this landscape was not coming from the glaciers.

03:12:41.000 It had to have been coming from rainfall.

03:12:43.000 If you go to the next slide, Jamie, 1,030...

03:12:46.000 Which is not a disconnected element because of the massive rain out that resulted from the impacts on the ice cap.

03:12:55.000 What's this?

03:12:55.000 This is Valles Calderas.

03:12:57.000 This is the largest volcanic caldera in North America.

03:13:01.000 It's 11 miles across, and it was born out of a catastrophe millions of years ago.

03:13:11.000 Subsequent eruptions over hundreds of thousands of years have left this feature.

03:13:15.000 But what's interesting to us here is what happened around 12,000 years ago.

03:13:19.000 The entire caldera filled up suddenly.

03:13:21.000 And if you look at it as a clock, at about 8 o'clock, you can see a breach, a valley coming off.

03:13:29.000 You see that?

03:13:30.000 Yeah.

03:13:31.000 Jamie, can you?

03:13:32.000 Yeah, right there.

03:13:33.000 That was the spillover.

03:13:35.000 So, at the same time, now get this, at the same window of time that these flood events are happening up in Washington and Idaho and Montana, this caldera suddenly fills up with water, and the water spills over the rim and cuts a canyon hundreds of feet deep.

03:13:53.000 Now, what could cause that to suddenly fill up with water?

03:13:56.000 And it's completely removed.

03:13:57.000 It's not receiving glacial meltwater.

03:14:00.000 There's only one thing by default, and that would be rainfall.

03:14:03.000 A lot of rainfall falling over days and days at a time.

03:14:08.000 So if you go to the next...

03:14:12.000 We'll see what sits down in the bottom of this valley is thousands of these gigantic rolled boulders.

03:14:20.000 And you know that they're water transported because they're round.

03:14:24.000 They're rolled.

03:14:24.000 That's what water does.

03:14:25.000 It rolls these things.

03:14:26.000 Now, this is in New Mexico, see?

03:14:29.000 So this is related to the spillway, the overflow of Wallace Caldera, which has been dated to that same interval.

03:14:36.000 Wow.

03:14:36.000 When the floods were happening up north, the same interval that now the comet is dating to.

03:14:41.000 Is this coincidence, or are the two related?

03:14:44.000 I would say it would be very premature to dismiss it and say that they're not related.

03:14:49.000 Because, as Graham just said, one of the consequences of an impact, whether it's into the ocean or the ice sheet, is you're going to have extreme amounts of water vapor injected catastrophically into the atmosphere.

03:15:02.000 Which is then going to rain out in incredible torrential downpours that might last for days at a time.

03:15:09.000 And along with that water vapor is a tremendous amount of particulate mass.

03:15:14.000 And it's that rain out that I would say caused the erosion on the Sphinx and tells us that the Sphinx is 12,000 years old, not 2,500 B.C. You guys are freaking me out.

03:15:24.000 This is amazing.

03:15:26.000 This is the most convincing argument yet that you guys have ever made for this.

03:15:31.000 What?

03:15:33.000 It's all been convincing.

03:15:35.000 This is more compelling than all the pieces that come together.

03:15:40.000 Next slide, Jamie, which would be 1032, which is to me a beautiful example of scale and variance.

03:15:48.000 Here we have the modern Snake River flowing in the modern channel.

03:15:53.000 And then we have the ancient flood channel, which you can see there, the average annual discharge of the snake, 56,900 cubic feet.

03:16:03.000 But the estimated flood that created the big channel is 40 million cubic feet.

03:16:08.000 And now this flood actually was coming up, get this, out of Utah.

03:16:14.000 It was coming up, it was part of the giant lake, Bonneville, of which the Great Salt Lake is but a diminutive remnant.

03:16:21.000 So the Bonneville Salt Flats.

03:16:23.000 The Bonneville Salt Flats were the bottom of this gigantic lake that filled the basins of northeastern Utah.

03:16:30.000 And at the end of the last ice age, it suddenly filled up very rapidly and spilled over a mountain pass to the north.

03:16:38.000 And then flooded the Snake River Plain of southern Idaho.

03:16:42.000 And anybody can see the Snake River Plain if you go to Google Earth or any topographic map.

03:16:47.000 And it cut channels like this that ultimately led to the Columbia River.

03:16:51.000 But interestingly, the dating of this puts it, again, right in that window.

03:16:58.000 That window of 12,800 to 11,600 years ago when everything changes.

03:17:03.000 Yes, everything changes.

03:17:05.000 And so what I'm showing here is just a little bit selecting random almost dots to show you that no matter where you look, you're going to see evidence of these events imprinted into the landscape.

03:17:18.000 Yeah, go to the next slide, 1033. And if you go down and you stand on that floodplain down there, You'll see the kind of stuff that got left behind.

03:17:30.000 This is the sediment load being carried in the flood.

03:17:33.000 Wow.

03:17:34.000 So what kind of powerful currents are necessary to transport?

03:17:38.000 And I'm standing in the canyon that was cut by the flood.

03:17:42.000 Those walls are 400 feet high.

03:17:44.000 So what we would think of as being like little pebbles at the bottom of a stream that gets moved around in this grand scale.

03:17:51.000 This is like sand grains on the bottom of a modern little creek or river.

03:17:56.000 Except they're humongous boulders.

03:17:57.000 Yes.

03:17:58.000 And this is what a geologist or geomorphologist would call the bed load, the stuff being swept along in the flood waters, being rolled and tumbled.

03:18:06.000 And geologists recognize this, but mainstream geologists think it took a long period of time?

03:18:12.000 No, I mean, the few geological papers that have been written on this admit that it was one big catastrophic flood.

03:18:19.000 Wow.

03:18:19.000 And what is their explanation for that catastrophic flood?

03:18:22.000 Well, that somehow Lake Bonneville rose up and breached a pass on its northern rim.

03:18:30.000 Is that possible in any way?

03:18:33.000 Well, yeah.

03:18:34.000 If you have enough rainfall prolonged over a period of time, days or weeks, that the whole body of water could have raised by 300 feet, roughly.

03:18:42.000 But again, you would need something like the comet impact to provide you with a source for that rainfall.

03:18:47.000 Right, because otherwise there's no other explanation for that kind of rainfall.

03:18:50.000 And it's known from the modeling of oceanic impacts that, yes, there would be...

03:18:56.000 Unbelievable rain out in the aftermath of an oceanic impact.

03:18:59.000 And clearly the same thing would follow in the wake of an ice impact.

03:19:04.000 What oceanic impacts do we have on record?

03:19:06.000 Only a few of them.

03:19:08.000 There's one up by Sweden.

03:19:09.000 We were discussing also the possible Indian Ocean impact.

03:19:13.000 Possibly one in the Indian Ocean.

03:19:15.000 5,000 years ago, which creates tsunamis on both sides of the Indian Ocean, dated to about massive, massive tsunami deposits.

03:19:24.000 And again, this whole argument of the Younger Dryas cataclysm between 12,800 and 11,600 years ago, the strongest case is, the focus of the science has been on 12,800 years ago, but there's a lot of interest in the 11,600 years ago as well,

03:19:41.000 and the strongest The suggestion of what caused that, that sudden rise in temperatures accompanied by meltwater pulse 1b, was a second encounter with more fragments of the debris of the comet.

03:19:54.000 This time, the impacts not being on the North American ice camp, but in a major ocean, probably the Pacific.

03:20:01.000 And that then puts a huge plume of water vapor into the upper atmosphere and shrouds the Earth and creates the greenhouse effect that accounts for the radical rise in temperature that occurred 11,600 years ago.

03:20:15.000 More science needs to be done on that.

03:20:16.000 It's another reason why I want to see the Comet Research Group funded, because this is important work. 0.87

03:20:22.000 Goddamn, this is an awesome podcast.

03:20:24.000 This might be my all-time favorite. 0.95

03:20:27.000 Whew! 0.99

03:20:28.000 Okay, we'll look at about half a dozen more.

03:20:30.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:20:31.000 Let's roll.

03:20:32.000 Okay, 1,039.

03:20:35.000 And this is, here now you'll be able to see actually a person in the field of view next to a giant current ripple.

03:20:46.000 That's a giant current ripple field.

03:20:47.000 We did see this one, Graham.

03:20:49.000 This is the West Bar.

03:20:51.000 If you go back one slide, we can see an aerial photo I took years ago of West Bar.

03:20:58.000 It's three miles long.

03:21:02.000 There it is.

03:21:03.000 And there's an airport down the lighter colored buff stuff is a landing strip.

03:21:08.000 And the airport building there is three stories tall.

03:21:13.000 So this whole feature is three miles long.

03:21:17.000 And the ripples here are on the same scale as the Camas Prairie ripples that we just looked at.

03:21:22.000 Of course, this is in Central Washington.

03:21:24.000 The other one was in Montana.

03:21:26.000 So again, as we begin to place these event nodes around on the map, we can begin to see the outlines of a really, really huge event.

03:21:36.000 And all of this is going on at the same time, you've got to understand.

03:21:38.000 So all this is dated to the same time that you think the impact took place, and it's all over that coast?

03:21:46.000 The only dates that we have that are hard dates are of volcanic ash, primarily, from Mount St. Helens, that date at 13,000 years.

03:21:55.000 But they use that as a baseline and then assume that there was multiple floods, and each flood was separated by 50 to 100 years.

03:22:04.000 And what they've done is they've gone from Bretz's original model of a single flood into a dozen floods, into 40 floods, and now up to 80 or 90 floods.

03:22:14.000 Which I disagree with.

03:22:16.000 See, I think you have to understand this in two phases.

03:22:20.000 Because the impact phase is going to melt a whole lot of ice all of a sudden, but it's not going to melt all of it.

03:22:27.000 It's going to leave a huge amount of residual ice in the aftermath.

03:22:32.000 Now what we see is that particularly after the 11,600 year-ago event, at that point the whole planet comes right out of the Ice Age inexplicably.

03:22:42.000 That's the end of the Ice Age.

03:22:43.000 That's the end of the Ice Age, the beginning of the Holocene.

03:22:45.000 It's over.

03:22:46.000 And basically what we're seeing there is that there is a great deal of heat suddenly that's brought the planet out of the Ice Age.

03:22:54.000 It does not convert, revert back into the Ice Age like it did at the 12,900 event.

03:23:01.000 See?

03:23:01.000 So what we then have is that in the aftermath of this event, the whole climate of the Earth has been completely altered.

03:23:09.000 The whole balance of nature has been completely altered from before these events to after these events.

03:23:16.000 But what you have now is a lot of residual ice that takes about two or three thousand years to melt away.

03:23:22.000 So sea levels continue to rise?

03:23:23.000 Sea levels continue to rise, and the melting of this ice produces some pretty big floods.

03:23:29.000 But not on the scale of what we're looking at here.

03:23:32.000 And I think it's my personal opinion that there's a confusion between the two different flood regimes.

03:23:38.000 And I'm going to document all that.

03:23:40.000 I'm writing all this up in detail as a thesis to explain my interpretation of the phenomena over 20 years.

03:23:50.000 But let's go to...

03:23:52.000 That would be so important.

03:23:54.000 I would love to see people Really go over this with a fine-tooth comb because it's so compelling.

03:23:59.000 It's just so amazing.

03:24:00.000 This image itself is just, wow.

03:24:02.000 What kind of power and force would it take to create those ripples, those 50-foot-high ripples all over the place, miles and miles and miles of them?

03:24:12.000 Yeah, and you see nothing since that event has really affected them.

03:24:16.000 They're still sitting there as these gigantic, monstrous, fossil features in the landscape.

03:24:20.000 Now when they do core samples on that stuff, what do they find out as far as the dating of it?

03:24:25.000 Like if they get to the bottom of one of those ripples?

03:24:27.000 Well, you've got to be able to find organic material in there.

03:24:32.000 And to the extent that there's organic material, it basically all dates from the end of the Ice Age.

03:24:37.000 The problem is when you have a flood like this coming through, It's sweeping up everything in its path, including forests and animals.

03:24:44.000 So if you've got a bone in there or a piece of wood, that doesn't necessarily mean when the flood happened.

03:24:50.000 Right.

03:24:51.000 It's not a nice layer of sediment.

03:24:54.000 It's a jumbled, messed up picture.

03:24:56.000 Chaotic mess.

03:24:58.000 It's not like you could just go dig into the side of that hill at that same level and find something that's organic and absolutely dated to that, because that's all stone.

03:25:06.000 Right, right.

03:25:06.000 It's boulders.

03:25:07.000 If you saw a cross-section of one of those ripples, it's just a jumbled, chaotic mess of everything.

03:25:13.000 From finest sand and silt up to boulders the size of cars and even houses.

03:25:18.000 Wow.

03:25:19.000 Stuff just, yeah.

03:25:20.000 That's so crazy.

03:25:22.000 Go to 1041 and we'll see an interesting artist rendition by...

03:25:27.000 Edward Riau, who did all the illustrations for the original Jules Verne books, and he did a version for a geology text.

03:25:38.000 The guy's name is skipping me right now, but I thought it was an interesting image because it basically shows an event on the scale of what we're talking about.

03:25:48.000 And what's interesting here is you see that the torrents are carrying icebergs, and in this one iceberg in the foreground, I call it Graham's Rock from now on.

03:25:56.000 It's going to be...

03:25:57.000 I have officially named it Graham's Rock.

03:26:00.000 Because it's carrying a gigantic...

03:26:01.000 Yeah, when Brad and I were talking about it, now it's Graham's Rock.

03:26:04.000 Yeah, because I went and climbed that one.

03:26:06.000 It's no longer the Wenatchee erratic.

03:26:08.000 Right, right, right.

03:26:08.000 It's the Graham erratic.

03:26:10.000 Oh, I'm on it, Randall.

03:26:11.000 Thank you.

03:26:12.000 Okay, so we got the gray emiratic coming up in about three images.

03:26:16.000 So let's go to the next one, 1042. And this is basically another key piece of evidence.

03:26:22.000 It's strewn for thousands of square miles throughout the path of the flood.

03:26:26.000 You have these gigantic boulders.

03:26:29.000 And these are being carried aboard icebergs.

03:26:31.000 So let me describe what we're looking at right now, because there's a person.

03:26:34.000 Is that you there?

03:26:35.000 I took the picture, so it's two of my fellow travelers.

03:26:39.000 Okay, normal-sized people, and, you know, whatever, six feet tall, and bounce them on top of each other, 12, 18, you're looking at probably at least 35, 40 feet tall, right?

03:26:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:26:53.000 And wider, wider than it is tall.

03:26:56.000 Oh, yeah, 60 feet wide.

03:26:58.000 That's insane.

03:26:58.000 And that was carried by water.

03:27:00.000 It was carried on icebergs in the water.

03:27:04.000 Oh my God.

03:27:05.000 So this flood is not just water.

03:27:07.000 It's huge.

03:27:09.000 Thousands of icebergs.

03:27:10.000 It's forest rips up by their roots.

03:27:12.000 It's a jumbling mass of powerful, erosive flow.

03:27:16.000 Amazing.

03:27:16.000 Thousands of megafauna are done.

03:27:18.000 In fact, a lot of, there have been a lot of mammoth remains found in Missoula flood sediments, particularly in the Willamette Valley.

03:27:28.000 Okay, let's go to the next image.

03:27:31.000 There we go.

03:27:32.000 This is like out in the middle of the prairie.

03:27:34.000 Again, you've got thousands of these things.

03:27:36.000 I'll tell you what, I'm a chicken.

03:27:37.000 I wouldn't stand right there.

03:27:38.000 I don't think that thing's going to roll on top of you.

03:27:40.000 That would be a wrap, son.

03:27:42.000 Yeah.

03:27:43.000 This is known as Jaeger Rock.

03:27:45.000 That thing's huge.

03:27:46.000 And is that you underneath there?

03:27:48.000 No, that's one of my...

03:27:49.000 I took the picture.

03:27:50.000 Did you tell them to stand there?

03:27:51.000 Yeah, I said stand there, and then I had the other guys go around the back of the rock and push on it.

03:27:56.000 This thing is kind of hanging off the side of that hill the way some of those Hollywood Hills houses are, the ones that are on stilts.

03:28:03.000 See, that rounded mass of stuff that it's sitting in is called a berg mound. 1.00

03:28:08.000 And you see these icebergs are not clean ice.

03:28:10.000 They're dirty.

03:28:11.000 They're filled with gravel and debris.

03:28:13.000 So when a berg that's being carried in the flood and the floodwaters subside, the bergs get stranded in the land.

03:28:20.000 They then melt.

03:28:21.000 And if there's no boulder, there's just a mound.

03:28:24.000 If there's no gigantic boulder, there's just a mound.

03:28:27.000 But if there is a gigantic boulder being carried aboard the iceberg, it will be sitting in a berg mound like you see right here.

03:28:34.000 That's amazing.

03:28:35.000 So that white line that we see is where the iceberg was when it deposited that thing and then it just melted from there?

03:28:41.000 No, that's actually a bedding plane between two different kinds of basalt.

03:28:45.000 Oh, okay.

03:28:46.000 So the mound itself below it is what you're saying is the Berg Mound?

03:28:50.000 That's the Berg Mound.

03:28:51.000 Oh, okay.

03:28:51.000 And the boulder, the big boulder, was the cargo sitting on top of the iceberg.

03:28:56.000 Oh, okay.

03:28:57.000 So the Berg is not just water. 0.98

03:28:59.000 It's water with a bunch of dirt and all kinds of other shit in it as well. 0.99

03:29:02.000 Yeah. 0.97

03:29:02.000 And so when it melts, that's what it leaves behind. 0.97

03:29:04.000 That's what it leaves behind.

03:29:05.000 I see.

03:29:06.000 That's amazing.

03:29:07.000 Okay.

03:29:08.000 In the next image, we have the Hancock erratic.

03:29:11.000 Is that you up there?

03:29:12.000 Well, that's me on top of that 18,000-ton boulder.

03:29:16.000 Weren't you breaking the law?

03:29:18.000 Yeah, I was.

03:29:19.000 I do that from time to time.

03:29:21.000 But it's an amazing experience to stand there and to think what transported this.

03:29:26.000 Well, we know it was transported in an iceberg.

03:29:28.000 And it was dumped there on the side of that valley.

03:29:30.000 And it's just the thought of thousands of these things plowing along at 60 or 70 miles an hour, carried on a gigantic flood.

03:29:38.000 How do we have anything left, you know?

03:29:40.000 No wonder.

03:29:41.000 No wonder we've forgotten our past.

03:29:43.000 And here's the thing.

03:29:44.000 I mean, what we're doing here is we're looking where these flood events are preserved the most spectacularly.

03:29:49.000 And the reason is because you had a very steep gradient from the ice sheet elevation to the Pacific Ocean.

03:29:56.000 But Graham and I, when we traveled across, we traveled across the Continental Divide and traveled from the Rocky Mountains to the Twin Cities, which is on the Mississippi River.

03:30:06.000 And all the way across, we were crossing huge meltwater coolies.

03:30:10.000 We crossed the Missouri River Valley, which is an underfit stream, just very similar to the Snake, where the modern Missouri is just a little ribbon of river occupying this massive meltwater channel, of which there are hundreds across the plains.

03:30:25.000 And then when we got to Minneapolis, we went up and we visited some of the largest known potholes.

03:30:30.000 Amazing potholes, which, again, you're looking on the scale of giants.

03:30:34.000 This is beyond imagination, what you look at.

03:30:38.000 And only the flood explanation makes sense of it.

03:30:41.000 Go to 1054, Jamie.

03:30:47.000 And you'll see...

03:30:48.000 Whoa.

03:30:48.000 There we go.

03:30:49.000 I'm down inside the pothole, one of the potholes, looking up at Graham.

03:30:53.000 So that's a pothole carved into stone by whirlpools. 0.99

03:30:57.000 By this.

03:30:58.000 Yeah.

03:30:59.000 It's got rocks in them, and the rocks are the erosive agent that's cutting out the pothole.

03:31:03.000 Ah.

03:31:04.000 Just think of like a massive hydraulic drill.

03:31:08.000 Wow.

03:31:09.000 Just picking up, you know, coarse rock and then just drilling, literally drilling holes 50, 60, 80 feet deep into the rock.

03:31:17.000 Again, folks, go to the YouTube, please, if you're listening to this.

03:31:20.000 Just go.

03:31:22.000 You've got to fast forward to this.

03:31:23.000 This is insane.

03:31:24.000 This image is insane.

03:31:25.000 Just thinking of watching rocks spin around, drilling into the ground.

03:31:30.000 And you're talking about over a short period of time.

03:31:32.000 Oh, yeah.

03:31:33.000 Probably, you know, I'm guessing, you know, these giant meltwater floods, this is right along the St. Croix River, which forms the border between Minnesota and Wisconsin.

03:31:42.000 It was probably of several weeks duration at its peak, at its peak.

03:31:46.000 And so the drilling of these bedrock probably was accomplished within that time span.

03:31:52.000 What I wouldn't give to know what that was like, just to see it.

03:31:57.000 Well, you'd have had to been in orbit to survive it.

03:32:00.000 Right, yeah, even if you're flying over in a plane, probably just the atmospheric change...

03:32:05.000 Listen, on top of these flood sediments from, I've documented it from Ohio to Washington State, there are thick layers of LUS. Now LUS is this strange topsoil that came down and it's, they've been arguing for generations,

03:32:22.000 is it wind deposited or water deposited?

03:32:25.000 But the curious thing is it seems to be both wind and water deposited.

03:32:30.000 But I think the obvious explanation for it is that when you see the top layers of the flood sediments, particularly in the back flood regions where the water was calmer rather than so torrential, you see these layers.

03:32:46.000 They're called rhythmites.

03:32:47.000 They're very rhythmical.

03:32:49.000 On top of that is a layer of this lost topsoil with this vertical structure.

03:32:55.000 Well, to me, and again, without getting into the technical background, I think the logical explanation and most likely explanation is that at the tail end of the final flood flows, what you're seeing is a rainfall of mud.

03:33:09.000 And this rainfall of mud came down in effect...

03:33:12.000 Which many ancient traditions speak of.

03:33:14.000 Yes.

03:33:14.000 Black bituminous rain, mud falling from the sky.

03:33:18.000 Darkness, a time of darkness.

03:33:19.000 It's all described in the myths.

03:33:21.000 The myths are the memory banks of humanity.

03:33:24.000 We should not call them myths.

03:33:25.000 We should call them memories.

03:33:27.000 Yeah, exactly.

03:33:28.000 And again, this muddy rainfall perfectly fits the whole narrative.

03:33:33.000 And again, with the mythology, it's...

03:33:36.000 It's right there.

03:33:37.000 When we think of the idea of these tsunamis, we think of water that you can see, but we're most likely dealing with the entire air around you filled with torrential downpour and solid matter and everything's flying through the air.

03:33:49.000 A slurry.

03:33:50.000 Incredible winds.

03:33:51.000 Incredible winds, yes.

03:33:53.000 So it's both wind and water and just full-on chaos, super hurricanes.

03:33:58.000 It's nature gone chaotic and crazy on ultimate steroids.

03:34:03.000 Wow.

03:34:04.000 This is so wild.

03:34:06.000 And it's real.

03:34:07.000 That's the thing.

03:34:07.000 And it happened while people were alive.

03:34:09.000 Oh yeah, it happened while people were alive.

03:34:11.000 Absolutely.

03:34:12.000 This is not some dinosaur thing.

03:34:13.000 No, it happened a blink of an eye ago.

03:34:15.000 It happened when anatomically modern humans had already been around for 200,000 years.

03:34:21.000 Well, no, not according to the orthodox historians, but if we're dealing with a lost civilization, which I believe to be the case, then yes.

03:34:28.000 It totally makes sense.

03:34:31.000 Completely, totally makes sense.

03:34:32.000 Yeah, and it's time to get to grips with this.

03:34:35.000 It's time to move forward to the next level and start recovering our memory.

03:34:39.000 And also start recognizing that this is a potential reality.

03:34:43.000 This is not just the past.

03:34:45.000 This is also very possible.

03:34:47.000 And again, if I may say so, crowdfunding.

03:34:53.000 It's the opportunity for the people to give their voice.

03:34:55.000 Can you show that page?

03:34:57.000 This is the crowdfunding page for the Comet Research Group.

03:35:01.000 And it's on...

03:35:03.000 And the link is on grahamhancock.com.

03:35:05.000 There it is.

03:35:05.000 So if you go to grahamhancock.com and click on the Comet Research Group banner, Then you'll get taken immediately to the crowdfunding page.

03:35:14.000 Please support it.

03:35:15.000 Whatever you can give, it'll make all the difference.

03:35:17.000 It sends a message that we care about alternative heretical research.

03:35:23.000 And also, while you're at my website, I've put up there a lot of other follow-ups to this podcast.

03:35:29.000 If people want to go places, I'm talking in America in the next weeks.

03:35:32.000 Yes.

03:35:33.000 And links and connections.

03:35:34.000 A lot of stuff related to this podcast is up on my site.

03:35:37.000 Yes, I'd like to...

03:35:38.000 Plug my DVD that has a lot of these images on it.

03:35:41.000 Okay.

03:35:41.000 And it's about five hours of stuff Blu-ray.

03:35:44.000 And if they go to the website Sacred Geometry International...

03:35:47.000 Do you have that available as a download?

03:35:49.000 It's going to be if it's not already.

03:35:51.000 I think it is available for a download.

03:35:53.000 My laptop doesn't even...

03:35:55.000 Nobody does anymore.

03:35:57.000 The answer is yes.

03:35:58.000 If it's not now, it will be.

03:36:00.000 I think it is actually now available for a download.

03:36:02.000 Yeah, it's going to get it on iTunes or Amazon or something.

03:36:04.000 And it's hours of stuff, but I get into a lot of other stuff.

03:36:09.000 Some of the interesting sidelines, the archaeoastronomy and the sacred geometry and so forth that might be associated with ancient cultures.

03:36:17.000 And what's the name of this again?

03:36:19.000 Cosmic Patterns and Cycles of Catastrophe.

03:36:22.000 Beautiful.

03:36:23.000 There it is.

03:36:24.000 There it is.

03:36:25.000 Yeah, that's the older version.

03:36:26.000 This is the newer, upgraded version.

03:36:28.000 All right.

03:36:29.000 Yeah, there we go.

03:36:30.000 There we go.

03:36:31.000 Beautiful.

03:36:31.000 And there's the Blu-ray.

03:36:32.000 Yeah, there's the Blu-ray, yeah.

03:36:34.000 Okay, so an NHD download.

03:36:36.000 Excellent.

03:36:36.000 There it is, yeah.

03:36:39.000 Gentlemen, this has been a long, long podcast of awesomeness.

03:36:44.000 Man, this cemented in my head.

03:36:46.000 I mean, the idea was already cemented in my head, but these images along with your compelling narrative is cemented even further.

03:36:53.000 This is amazing.

03:36:54.000 Such a cool podcast.

03:36:56.000 And managed to entertain and scare the shit out of me at the same time.

03:36:59.000 So thank you for that.

03:37:00.000 Thank you, Jim.

03:37:01.000 Graham, it's Graham underscore Hancock on Twitter.

03:37:05.000 Yeah, Graham double underscore Hancock.

03:37:07.000 Double underscore?

03:37:08.000 Yeah, they made it really difficult to reach me on Twitter.

03:37:10.000 But it is there.

03:37:11.000 And then, you know, I've got my Facebook page.

03:37:13.000 And my website is the main portal, grahamhancock.com.

03:37:16.000 Everything comes off there.

03:37:18.000 My book, my events, and all kinds of followers.

03:37:20.000 Are you verified on Twitter so they know which one to follow?

03:37:22.000 You know, I'm verified on Facebook, but they haven't verified me on Twitter.

03:37:26.000 How dare you, Twitter.

03:37:26.000 You know, I got 100,000 followers there, but they haven't verified me.

03:37:30.000 But I'm me.

03:37:31.000 I am me, yeah.

03:37:32.000 Randall, how much do you pay attention to social media at all?

03:37:36.000 Yeah, from time to time, I'll immerse myself into it for a few days or as much as I can take, and then I've got to back off for a while.

03:37:44.000 Well, you're going to get a flood of questions about this one, because this was awesome.

03:37:47.000 I mean, really.

03:37:47.000 Thank you so much.

03:37:48.000 I'm so...

03:37:49.000 I'm so thankful and honored to know you guys.

03:37:53.000 The ultimate thing for me on this podcast is to be able to have people on that are talking about things that I find absolutely captivating.

03:38:04.000 I think what you're doing is so important.

03:38:06.000 You're playing a huge role, Joe, in opening people's minds to unthinkable thoughts all around the world.

03:38:11.000 Stuff that people have been told they are not allowed to think about.

03:38:15.000 Your show is opening doors that have never been opened before.

03:38:18.000 Stumbled into it!

03:38:19.000 I don't know how it happened!

03:38:21.000 I would like to get you out in the field, Joe.

03:38:23.000 I would like to get out in the field, too.

03:38:24.000 I would like to get you out in the field, because there's nothing.

03:38:25.000 I want to see that stuff.

03:38:26.000 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

03:38:27.000 I want to go to Washington State.

03:38:28.000 Let's do it.

03:38:28.000 Let's set something up and make a video.

03:38:30.000 I want to go there.

03:38:30.000 I want to see that.

03:38:31.000 Let's do it.

03:38:31.000 That looks crazy.

03:38:32.000 I'm serious.

03:38:33.000 Young Jamie, are you in?

03:38:35.000 Jamie's in.

03:38:35.000 All right.

03:38:36.000 Thank you so much, everybody.

03:38:37.000 See you soon.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 15, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #872 - Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson

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