The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #874 - Scott Adams

00:00:04.000 Scott Adams, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:05.000 Here we are.

00:00:06.000 Hey, Joe.

00:00:07.000 Good to see you again, man.

00:00:07.000 Good to see you again.

00:00:09.000 I met you decades ago.

00:00:11.000 Do you remember that horrible story?

00:00:13.000 I don't remember a horrible story, but it was on news radio.

00:00:16.000 What was the horrible story?

00:00:17.000 Do you remember my humiliation that day?

00:00:18.000 No, what happened?

00:00:20.000 So for those of you who weren't with us on that set, I had a small line, just one line, on news radio because it was an episode that mentioned Dilbert.

00:00:29.000 So I was invited as a guest.

00:00:32.000 And you were giving the line before my line.

00:00:35.000 So I just came in and they said, Joe's going to say this.

00:00:38.000 Joe, say your line.

00:00:39.000 And you turned to me and you said your line.

00:00:41.000 And they said, when he says that, you say your line.

00:00:44.000 And of course I'm panicked because I don't do this, right?

00:00:47.000 I'm not an actor.

00:00:48.000 Right.

00:00:49.000 So the scene starts, and it's one of these scenes that runs continuous from beginning to end.

00:00:53.000 It's not like a movie where you cut it every 10 seconds, so you have to do it right all the way through.

00:00:57.000 Right.

00:00:58.000 And we get to my line, and you're turning the other direction.

00:01:02.000 So the line I'm waiting to hear...

00:01:05.000 Instead of hearing it clearly, like in practice, when you were facing me, I hear...

00:01:09.000 Oh, no.

00:01:11.000 And I think to myself, I don't know what his other lines are.

00:01:14.000 So I don't know if that sounds like my line, or is that...

00:01:17.000 Should I go?

00:01:18.000 And I said to myself, 50-50 chance.

00:01:20.000 Right?

00:01:21.000 I either ruined the scene by saying something the wrong time, or I ruined the scene by being silent when I should have been talking.

00:01:29.000 So I said, I'm going to go with silent.

00:01:31.000 And I just stood there in silence.

00:01:33.000 And everybody got really quiet.

00:01:36.000 I don't know if you remember what you did, but it burned in my mind.

00:01:41.000 You were very nice that day.

00:01:43.000 But you just sort of slowly turned around and looked at me.

00:01:46.000 And meanwhile, all the other actors sort of slowly turned around and looked at me.

00:01:51.000 I was the source of the problem.

00:01:54.000 But I have to admit I was impressed because then all the actors went back to square one and did the entire scene through again perfectly.

00:02:05.000 It was very impressive if you're not an actor to watch how many lines a bunch of professionals can do without screwing up any of them.

00:02:12.000 It was an awesome kind of an afternoon.

00:02:15.000 Well, NewsRadio was a very unusual show in that there was a lot of changing stuff on the fly.

00:02:22.000 Like, the writers would come in and then rewrite a line, like, on the fly.

00:02:26.000 Like, they would do one line, they would do one take, and then Paul Sims, Josh Lieb, and all these guys would get together, and they'd go, okay, that's...

00:02:33.000 Let's try this.

00:02:34.000 We'll go back.

00:02:34.000 But then when Scott turns to you, now say this.

00:02:37.000 And then we'd have a totally new line for the next scene.

00:02:40.000 And so we'd have to be standing over by the elevator going, no, that's not going to work.

00:02:45.000 No, that's not going to work.

00:02:46.000 We'd come up with a bunch of different ways to say it and then just run with it on the fly.

00:02:51.000 People don't realize how hard that is.

00:02:53.000 It's not that hard, honestly.

00:02:54.000 It's not coal mining.

00:02:54.000 Well, you have to have the right kind of mind for that memory.

00:02:58.000 It's sort of like when a musician can do 50 songs from memory.

00:03:03.000 Yeah.

00:03:03.000 And I'm thinking, I could do seven notes, you know?

00:03:07.000 Right.

00:03:07.000 And then I'm good.

00:03:08.000 Like, that's all I can remember in a row.

00:03:10.000 And after that, I'd just be guessing.

00:03:11.000 Well, if you think about how many, just think about language itself, how many words you can access just instantaneously, just pull them up from your memory.

00:03:18.000 Yeah.

00:03:19.000 You know, it's just, that's what you do all the time.

00:03:22.000 And if you all the time were reading sitcom scripts, you just get used to that sort of flow and how things go.

00:03:28.000 It's not, it's not really bad.

00:03:30.000 Everything looks difficult if you don't know how to do it.

00:03:32.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:03:33.000 People say that about my job as well.

00:03:35.000 It's like, how do you do that?

00:03:36.000 It's like, well, it happens to be the one thing I can do well, you know, and I can't do most things well, but one little thing I can do well.

00:03:44.000 Well, one thing that people have a hard time with the sitcom world, especially the old school sitcom world, is the audience.

00:03:50.000 Like performing in front of the audience is a weird element, you know?

00:03:55.000 Did you feel that?

00:03:56.000 Well, you know, I do tons of public speaking.

00:03:59.000 So in that environment, I like the energy and I like all of it.

00:04:02.000 But usually if I'm speaking, I know exactly what I'm going to say.

00:04:05.000 And, you know, even if I mess it up, it doesn't matter.

00:04:07.000 It doesn't have to be specific.

00:04:09.000 But that was a frightening situation.

00:04:13.000 So keep in mind also that most of the actors were stars.

00:04:18.000 You know, they were pretty big names.

00:04:20.000 And so I was meeting everybody.

00:04:21.000 So I was a little bit starstruck and I was completely out of my element.

00:04:25.000 And that completely blew the scene.

00:04:27.000 You know, just me.

00:04:28.000 It was like all me.

00:04:29.000 There wasn't anybody else.

00:04:30.000 It was just me. 0.99

00:04:30.000 Well, it sounds like I fucked up. 0.99

00:04:31.000 Sounds like I was looking in the wrong direction, which is totally possible. 0.97

00:04:35.000 Yeah.

00:04:35.000 No, we were standing in line, so you had to be facing the way you were.

00:04:38.000 Oh, so I was looking at you during the rehearsal or something?

00:04:43.000 Yeah, the setup was we were standing in line to get coffee.

00:04:46.000 And so during the practice, you turned to me so I would know exactly what you were saying.

00:04:51.000 But in the actual thing, we were in line, so you were talking to somebody else.

00:04:55.000 Right, I get it, I get it, I get it.

00:04:57.000 Yeah, man, I don't remember that at all.

00:04:59.000 It's so funny how one person can remember something and it's like a big moment, and another person would go like, I just erased that.

00:05:06.000 I knew that I met you, and I remember, oh, Scott Adams is cool.

00:05:09.000 I like that cartoon.

00:05:11.000 And then all of a sudden, it's over.

00:05:14.000 There's no other memories in my database.

00:05:16.000 I had a totally different experience that day.

00:05:19.000 Well, it's also, I did 100 of them or 98 or whatever the hell we did.

00:05:23.000 It's a weird thing as you get older, too.

00:05:26.000 There's memories that I just have scrubbed.

00:05:28.000 I'm like, no room for them.

00:05:30.000 I got new data coming in.

00:05:31.000 I got to make some space.

00:05:32.000 It's like cleaning out your garage, you know?

00:05:34.000 So there's nothing scarier than getting together with your siblings after you haven't seen them for years and you start talking about your childhood.

00:05:40.000 And one of you will be telling a story like, do you remember the time I, you know, it doesn't matter what it is, I jumped on a zebra and I ran it across the zoo and they yelled at me.

00:05:48.000 And the other sibling will say, that wasn't you.

00:05:52.000 That was me.

00:05:54.000 I was the one on the zebra.

00:05:56.000 It would be such like a memory that you couldn't forget.

00:05:59.000 Right.

00:05:59.000 But you did.

00:06:00.000 You actually wrote yourself into a scene.

00:06:02.000 You weren't even there.

00:06:03.000 You were watching.

00:06:03.000 You wrote yourself into the hero scene.

00:06:06.000 That does happen with people.

00:06:07.000 Human memory is really flawed.

00:06:10.000 It's really flawed.

00:06:11.000 Well, if you want to go real deep, real fast, you just gave me the good opening.

00:06:17.000 I am a proponent of the We Are All A Software Simulation.

00:06:21.000 View of reality.

00:06:23.000 And that would also explain why memories are so screwed up.

00:06:27.000 And the explanation would be that the past doesn't exist I might have to spark up a joint for this episode.

00:06:45.000 You just went real deep real quick.

00:06:48.000 Do you want some?

00:06:50.000 Do you smoke the weed?

00:06:51.000 I could do it for the first time.

00:06:53.000 I'd be willing to try it once.

00:06:55.000 Well, I don't know if I want to give it to you for the first time.

00:06:56.000 I don't want you to freak out.

00:06:57.000 You don't smoke pot at all?

00:06:58.000 The truth is I smoked pot once.

00:07:01.000 Ever?

00:07:02.000 It was in the first day of college, but I never stopped.

00:07:05.000 So that's really just once.

00:07:07.000 Oh, I understand.

00:07:08.000 So you smoked pot all the time.

00:07:10.000 So you did it once and you just kept going.

00:07:12.000 I'd be willing to try it a second time, is what I'm saying.

00:07:14.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:07:16.000 Okay.

00:07:17.000 So, what has like...

00:07:22.000 What has life been like for Scott Adams during this election?

00:07:26.000 You came into the—well, you're obviously always well-known for being the creator of Dilbert, but along this election cycle, all of a sudden, I had people that I was in contact with that were saying,

00:07:44.000 you know, Scott Adams is a Trump supporter.

00:07:46.000 Yeah.

00:07:46.000 And I was like, what?

00:07:47.000 Scott Adams?

00:07:48.000 The Dilbert guy?

00:07:49.000 The Trump supporter?

00:07:50.000 Because, you know, everyone assumes you meet someone and they're in the creative business.

00:07:57.000 You know, you're in a creative business.

00:07:58.000 You write a comic strip.

00:08:00.000 You would assume that you would be a left-wing guy, like almost immediately.

00:08:06.000 Well, I'm neither left nor right.

00:08:08.000 I'm sort of all over the place.

00:08:09.000 My views didn't match, you know, either of the major candidates on anything.

00:08:13.000 So you're a free thinker.

00:08:16.000 I like to think I'm right and everybody else is wrong.

00:08:18.000 I would like that too.

00:08:20.000 Actually, my larger philosophical grounding is informed by my experience as a hypnotist.

00:08:29.000 I'm not sure if you knew that.

00:08:30.000 No, I didn't know you were a hypnotist.

00:08:32.000 So in my 20s, I went to hypnosis school and became an actual trained, certified hypnotist.

00:08:37.000 Wow.

00:08:38.000 And one of the things you learn as a hypnotist is that the world is backwards to the way people normally perceive it.

00:08:45.000 So normally you see the world as, hey, you know, 90% of the time people are rational and doing rational things.

00:08:51.000 Right. 0.96

00:08:52.000 But 10% of the time we just go nuts and we do stupid things and it's because something happened that sparked it, right? 0.97

00:08:57.000 That's the normal view of the world. 0.92

00:08:59.000 The hypnotist's view of the world is opposite.

00:09:01.000 The hypnotist says that 90% of the time we're completely irrational, and we're just making rationalizations for why we did things after the fact.

00:09:09.000 10% of the time we're rational, but that's only when there's no emotional content to the decision.

00:09:15.000 You know, you're balancing a checkbook or something, trying to pick up the best route to someplace.

00:09:19.000 Yeah.

00:09:20.000 And so that's how I see the world. 0.90

00:09:22.000 And so when I look at either the Trump supporters or the Clinton supporters, to me, from the hypnotist perspective, and someone who's studied persuasion for decades, I use it in my writing, I see both sides as completely ridiculous. 0.91

00:09:38.000 Both of them are grounded in complete absurdities. 0.57

00:09:41.000 They're just different.

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 But nobody knows why they're deciding.

00:09:45.000 The real reasons that people make decisions are fear, identity, you know, they have some aspiration, they've got something they're trying to solve.

00:09:55.000 There's something they're trying to work out.

00:09:56.000 But the reasons we give are usually completely false.

00:09:59.000 And the grounding for this is that if you think about evolution, I assume you believe we evolved?

00:10:08.000 Yes.

00:10:10.000 There was no requirement in evolution that we ever understand our environment the way we imagine we do.

00:10:17.000 And here's an example of that.

00:10:19.000 You could believe that you're a monk, you know, you're reincarnated from a 10th century monk.

00:10:25.000 Like Steven Seagal.

00:10:26.000 Does he believe that?

00:10:27.000 Yeah, he's like a Buddha or something.

00:10:30.000 He actually got it bestowed upon him by some Tibetan character.

00:10:35.000 All right, so let's use Steven Seagal.

00:10:37.000 So Steven Seagal can be standing in a grocery store next to, let's say, a Muslim who believes that his prophet literally flew to heaven on a winged horse. 0.99

00:10:46.000 Those two people don't live the same reality.

00:10:49.000 But they both buy groceries, they both go, they cook it, they live, they survive.

00:10:54.000 So it turns out that understanding your reality at an actual, you know, I really know what is objectively happening and I get it and I've got a mental model that's quite accurate.

00:11:03.000 We don't need any of that.

00:11:05.000 So it would be deeply unlikely that we evolved such a specific skill that's completely unnecessary as far as we can tell.

00:11:12.000 We do need to know that if you run into this wall, your head is going to hurt.

00:11:17.000 So there's some basic stuff.

00:11:18.000 But we're probably all even interpreting that experience differently.

00:11:22.000 So there's no reason to think that the way I think of it is the way you think of it.

00:11:25.000 So I see the world as this big irrational ball, and I use the hypnotist persuader skills to back up and try to deduce, you know, what's really driving things.

00:11:36.000 And when people said I was a Trump supporter, what they meant was, they may have only seen part of what I was talking about, I was writing about his skill as a persuader.

00:11:48.000 And what I mean is that I noticed in him the skills that I've developed over decades for persuasion.

00:11:56.000 But at a higher level than I've ever seen, meaning that he's the most persuasive living human I've ever experienced.

00:12:05.000 And I mean that in terms of actual technique.

00:12:08.000 You know, he's full of technique and it's all the time.

00:12:11.000 I'll give you some examples of that.

00:12:14.000 First time I noticed it was the very first debate when Megyn Kelly was asking him the question about the insults he had allegedly said to women. 0.94

00:12:23.000 Not allegedly, he said them.

00:12:25.000 And this is a setup that any other politician with this setup is totally trapped.

00:12:32.000 Because they can either try to, like, deny they said it, and then somebody has a videotape and that doesn't work.

00:12:37.000 Or they can say, oh, I didn't mean it.

00:12:40.000 There's almost nothing you can say.

00:12:41.000 You're just trapped.

00:12:42.000 And that would have been the end of his campaign.

00:12:44.000 The first debate should have been over.

00:12:47.000 And if you remember, do you remember what he said?

00:12:48.000 No, I don't.

00:12:49.000 She said, you said this, this, and this about women. 0.94

00:12:52.000 And he smiled.

00:12:54.000 He sort of looked at the audience it looked like or the camera.

00:12:56.000 And he said, only Rosie O'Donnell.

00:12:59.000 And the audience erupted in laughter, completely unexpected and a place inappropriate, provocative.

00:13:06.000 And what I noticed was that Rosie O'Donnell is a visual image that everybody shares, right?

00:13:13.000 You've got a picture of her since I say the name.

00:13:15.000 And for his base that he was catering to, it was an unpopular image and one that would just suck all the energy away from the question, which was toxic.

00:13:24.000 And really, you know, you can't touch the question.

00:13:27.000 You just have to suck all the energy into another part of the room and wait for the time to run out.

00:13:32.000 And that's what he did.

00:13:33.000 And it became the headline, blah, blah, blah.

00:13:35.000 And he, you know...

00:13:36.000 Certainly it highlighted the things he said about women maybe more than it would have.

00:13:40.000 But the way he escaped that got my attention.

00:13:43.000 And I thought, that doesn't look normal.

00:13:46.000 That's operating at another level.

00:13:49.000 And so I looked for more examples of it.

00:13:52.000 And you could see it everywhere.

00:13:53.000 And it was especially clear by the time he started saying...

00:13:56.000 Well, the other visual things he does is he says, build a wall.

00:14:01.000 And you can just imagine a wall.

00:14:03.000 When he says, we're paying too much ransom to Iran for those soldiers, he says, we paid, you know, 400 million or whatever the number is.

00:14:11.000 He goes, imagine that money piled up.

00:14:13.000 It'd be so much money, you know, it'd fill this room.

00:14:15.000 You can't even imagine that big pile of money.

00:14:17.000 He always goes for the visual.

00:14:18.000 Because we know that the visual part of our brain is the dominant part.

00:14:22.000 And if you can get its attention and get it on your message, it talks the rest of your brain into anything you want it to.

00:14:29.000 When he talks about ISIS, he goes visual also.

00:14:32.000 He doesn't say, they are bad people whose religions, you know, has been distorted, you know, to the type of thing you might hear from Hillary Clinton.

00:14:40.000 He says, they put you in cages and they drown you in the cage. 0.97

00:14:45.000 They chop your head off.

00:14:47.000 I mean, you can see that. 0.86

00:14:48.000 You're playing the movie in your head.

00:14:50.000 So everything he does gets more attention than everything everybody else does because he puts it into a provocative picture.

00:14:57.000 So that was the first thing I noticed.

00:14:59.000 Then when he got to Jeb Bush...

00:15:02.000 And he needed to defeat Jeb because he was the strongest competitor, so if he couldn't get past him, there was no point.

00:15:07.000 And he went after him strong, and he went after him fast, and he went after him with a low-energy kill shot.

00:15:13.000 That's why I call these linguistic kill shots. 0.99

00:15:16.000 It's not just an insult.

00:15:18.000 It's not just a clever nickname.

00:15:20.000 And we saw Clinton try to come up with clever nicknames that had no purchase whatsoever, like Dangerous Donald.

00:15:26.000 You know, it just didn't work.

00:15:28.000 But look at low energy Jeb.

00:15:30.000 Here's how it's engineered.

00:15:31.000 It's engineered for confirmation bias, meaning that you want the future to make this look like a better nickname every day, and you want it to match his physicality.

00:15:41.000 So before I ever heard low energy Jeb, I had a good impression of Jeb Bush.

00:15:47.000 I thought, when you looked at Jeb Bush, didn't you say to yourself, this guy looks like a cool character?

00:15:54.000 No.

00:15:54.000 No, but he looked like he was an in-control, calm, reasonable, exactly the person you'd want if the nuclear question came up, if there was some big decision.

00:16:06.000 Jeb Bush isn't going to get excited about it.

00:16:08.000 He seemed like a competent CEO. Competent CEO, exactly.

00:16:13.000 And as soon as Trump said, low energy, could you see him any other way?

00:16:17.000 He was low energy, and he will always be low energy.

00:16:20.000 And Lion Ted.

00:16:21.000 No, Lion Ted.

00:16:22.000 Lion Ted was beautiful.

00:16:23.000 Lion Ted, because you knew that because he's a politician, sometime in the next several months, he's going to say stuff that you can say is a lie, whether it is or not.

00:16:32.000 Right.

00:16:32.000 Doesn't have to.

00:16:35.000 Ted has a physicality about him.

00:16:38.000 Unfortunately, he's got beady eyes.

00:16:40.000 And I've said this before, that if you're going to cast a movie, say, oh, we need a guy who looks dishonest.

00:16:46.000 Right.

00:16:47.000 It would be his face.

00:16:48.000 Right.

00:16:49.000 And unfortunately, I mean, I don't know if he's actually dishonest.

00:16:52.000 I'm not going to make a judgment.

00:16:54.000 Who came up with the Zodiac Killer thing?

00:16:57.000 Was that a Trump fan or was it Trump himself that started saying that Ted was the Zodiac Killer?

00:17:02.000 Yeah.

00:17:03.000 I think that probably started with a fan. 0.99

00:17:06.000 It was fucking harsh, man. 0.99

00:17:09.000 He'd be giving speeches. 1.00

00:17:10.000 Are you the Zodiac Killer?

00:17:12.000 People would scream it out.

00:17:13.000 Like, imagine having to deal with that?

00:17:15.000 And did your father kill, you know, somebody?

00:17:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:17:19.000 His father was...

00:17:20.000 Maybe his dad was the Zodiac Killer.

00:17:22.000 Is that what the...

00:17:23.000 Because the Zodiac Killer was like the 70s, right?

00:17:26.000 Might not be old enough.

00:17:29.000 Crooked Hillary. 1.00

00:17:30.000 Crooked Hillary, same thing. 1.00

00:17:32.000 Crooked Hillary is a brilliant one. 0.99

00:17:33.000 So she wasn't physically as limber as a young person.

00:17:37.000 So you could imagine her sort of a little bit crooked physically. 0.72

00:17:41.000 And you knew that there would be stories coming out in which people could say, well, there's another example of that crookedness.

00:17:47.000 But you thought of that in a physical sense, like the way she looked?

00:17:50.000 All I thought about is corruption.

00:17:52.000 I heard Crooked Hillary. 1.00

00:17:53.000 I saw her with a burglar's mask on, trying to sneak away with bags that had dollar signs on them. 1.00

00:17:59.000 That's what I saw.

00:18:00.000 If you look at any one of these individually, his nicknames, you could say, well, it's sort of random.

00:18:05.000 He just got lucky.

00:18:05.000 But if you look at them all...

00:18:07.000 They all have that physicality.

00:18:08.000 They all have the priming so that confirmation bias will kick in.

00:18:14.000 Whatever you see after that will just fit the label because it's the first thing you think about.

00:18:18.000 Well, he's a performer.

00:18:19.000 You can say Donald Trump is a businessman.

00:18:22.000 He most certainly is.

00:18:23.000 He most certainly is a real estate investor.

00:18:25.000 But he's been a public figure for decades.

00:18:28.000 And when you're a public figure, you're a performer.

00:18:30.000 He's performing all the time.

00:18:32.000 And he's also...

00:18:34.000 He likes to win, and so when he's engaging in people, he makes it personal.

00:18:38.000 So he's gotten very good at what's called playing the dozens.

00:18:40.000 You know what playing the dozens is?

00:18:42.000 Tell us.

00:18:43.000 It's an insult thing.

00:18:44.000 You know, like guys in the hood In the inner cities, this started out as a black term, but it's essentially like a version of your mama contest.

00:18:56.000 Like, some guys are way better at your mama jokes. 0.98

00:18:59.000 They're way better at playing the dozens. 0.98

00:19:01.000 They're way better at shitting on other people around them, and it's for the entertainment of each other. 0.70

00:19:05.000 It's a huge thing amongst comedians. 0.99

00:19:07.000 We shit on each other constantly, left and right, but it's generally encouraged, and we all enjoy it, you know? 0.97

00:19:13.000 But when a guy has decades and decades and decades of this, like Donald Trump at a very high level, Because he's known to be a billionaire investor who puts his name on everything. 0.99

00:19:23.000 In which I talk about developing systems for succeeding.

00:19:27.000 And one of the systems is to, and you do this too, stack together what I would call ordinary skills until your stack is different than anybody else's.

00:19:37.000 So in my case, I'm not a great artist.

00:19:40.000 You know, I didn't take any writing courses.

00:19:44.000 But I'm pretty good at drawing and I'm pretty good at writing and I'm a little bit funny, so I put them together and I can do a comic strip.

00:19:49.000 Because it's rare that you get somebody who's, let's say, in the top 10% of three different things.

00:19:54.000 But it's not hard to be in the top 10% of things if you're going after them.

00:19:58.000 So if you look at Trump, he wrote a book on negotiating.

00:20:02.000 So he knows business.

00:20:03.000 He knows negotiating.

00:20:04.000 He knows public speaking.

00:20:05.000 He has a sense of humor, a really good one.

00:20:08.000 He's quick on his feet.

00:20:09.000 Now he knows politics, you know, from both the inside and the outside.

00:20:14.000 He knows Twitter.

00:20:15.000 You know, I could probably go on, and you would say, if you looked at any one of those things, he's not the best you've ever seen.

00:20:22.000 You know, he's not the best public speaker, the funniest person, etc.

00:20:26.000 But there aren't many people who can do all of those things in the top 10%.

00:20:31.000 But as a public speaker, I don't think he's nearly in the top 10%.

00:20:35.000 I think he's, I mean, I'm just being honest.

00:20:38.000 I think he has very poor efficiency of words.

00:20:43.000 Like, he uses, he repeats himself when it's not really important.

00:20:47.000 And when he repeats itself, what I usually see is like someone searching for the next thing to say.

00:20:52.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:20:53.000 Like he'll say, you know, I'm gonna be honest with you.

00:20:56.000 I'm gonna be honest with you.

00:20:57.000 Okay?

00:20:58.000 I'm gonna be honest with you here.

00:20:59.000 He'll do that in a way that is not, it's not efficient.

00:21:01.000 It's not efficient, but it's persuasive, and that's why it doesn't...

00:21:04.000 Sometimes, but it also...

00:21:05.000 No, repetition.

00:21:06.000 Repetition is persuasive.

00:21:07.000 Sometimes, sometimes, and sometimes it's clunky.

00:21:12.000 Yeah.

00:21:12.000 I feel like there's a lot of times where it's his style to do that, and he's done it before.

00:21:19.000 But even in delivering lines, you've got to know when to not talk.

00:21:25.000 Here's a perfect example.

00:21:26.000 When he said that he called the president of Mexico up, and they had the conversation about the wall, and he said the wall just got 10 foot higher.

00:21:33.000 He's like, yeah, that's what I said.

00:21:35.000 That is what I said.

00:21:36.000 He repeats that.

00:21:37.000 He should have just let it hang.

00:21:38.000 He should have said the wall just got ten foot high. 0.69

00:21:40.000 They would have went crazy and he could have walked back and forth and just sucked it in.

00:21:45.000 But he kept talking.

00:21:46.000 See, that's not the best speaker.

00:21:48.000 Obama, I feel, is a way better public speaker.

00:21:51.000 Way more efficient with his words, way better control of the sentences that he speaks, but it's more professional.

00:21:58.000 I think you're judging on a standard that I probably wouldn't use.

00:22:03.000 So I took the Dale Carnegie course, teaching you how to be a public speaker.

00:22:07.000 And their course taught you zero technique.

00:22:10.000 It was a course on public speaking in which they taught you nothing about technique, the things that you're saying he's doing right now.

00:22:16.000 Not necessarily technique.

00:22:17.000 Well, let me just finish this off.

00:22:19.000 Okay, sure, I'm sorry.

00:22:19.000 What they taught you is just confidence.

00:22:21.000 And if you were happy and confident, you would almost always do well, even if you make a mistake, you just correct.

00:22:27.000 So he strikes me as the confident Dale Carnegie type of speaker, the person who's selling an emotion.

00:22:34.000 It's an experience.

00:22:35.000 You're not going there really to get information.

00:22:38.000 It's not really well-crafted jokes you're looking for.

00:22:42.000 You're going there to feel something.

00:22:43.000 And you can't deny that 30,000 people in a stadium with red hats on, they were feeling something.

00:22:50.000 So in terms of delivering an emotion, top 10%.

00:22:54.000 Interesting.

00:22:56.000 Well, I think that absolutely one thing you could say is he knows how to do the Donald Trump thing.

00:23:04.000 And the Donald Trump thing is very different than the rest of the politicians think.

00:23:07.000 The Donald Trump thing is not humble.

00:23:10.000 The Donald Trump thing will tell you about his past successes and use them to tell you how he's going to be successful in the future.

00:23:16.000 The Donald Trump thing, when confronted with certain things, like the thing about him saying something about Hillary lacking stamina, and then he goes off about having a winning temperament.

00:23:25.000 I have a winning temperament.

00:23:26.000 There's not a lot of people who could do that in that sort of a political form. 0.96

00:23:30.000 Like, if, say, Mitt Romney was running for president and he started saying, I have a winning temperament, they'd be like, oh, Mitt's gone fucking crazy, right?

00:23:39.000 I mean, you remember how Howard Dean got knocked out of the race just for screaming? 0.73

00:23:43.000 He just screamed at a rally and it was over.

00:23:45.000 The wind came out of the balloon.

00:23:46.000 But you know what Howard Dean did wrong?

00:23:49.000 What?

00:23:49.000 He only screamed once.

00:23:51.000 It's true.

00:23:52.000 It's all about contrast.

00:23:53.000 Well, he also didn't make fun of it.

00:23:54.000 You know, he should have come on and he should have done something to make fun of it.

00:23:58.000 He should have had a speech where he talked about, so I got a little carried away, folks.

00:24:02.000 You know, like he hid from it.

00:24:04.000 It feels like he could have fixed that.

00:24:06.000 Yes.

00:24:06.000 Yeah, I had that feeling at the time.

00:24:08.000 Well, the problem was, it was contrary to what he was selling. 0.98

00:24:12.000 You know, he was selling this buttoned-up, packaged deal, and in the middle of that package deal is a fucking pro wrestling fan screaming from a suplex, you know? 0.97

00:24:21.000 You know, like Hulk Hogan suplexes the Iron Sheik and... 0.97

00:24:24.000 I mean, that's what it was like.

00:24:26.000 I mean, that's not the guy where you want to have the button.

00:24:28.000 So if you heard of these studies, and I think this has been replicated and fairly reliable, that if you want to addict somebody to something, let's say this, you know, your show, if you gave them a really good product every time, it actually wouldn't be as addictive as if once in a while it wasn't good and they had to sort of like wait and anticipate,

00:24:48.000 oh, there's that good one again.

00:24:49.000 Right.

00:24:50.000 So unpredictable rewards are far more addicting than predictable. 0.99

00:24:55.000 So Hillary Clinton, who rewards you every time, but is just about the same, is not going to be nearly as addicting as Donald Trump, who disappoints the fuck out of you. 0.97

00:25:05.000 You're like, God, I was just starting to like you. 0.97

00:25:08.000 Why did you say that that way?

00:25:10.000 Right.

00:25:10.000 And then two weeks later, he comes out with something.

00:25:13.000 You say, shit, I love you again. 0.99

00:25:15.000 And, you know, so it's he's got that addictive pattern going. 1.00

00:25:18.000 Well, I'll tell you what. 0.99

00:25:19.000 Once all that grab-the-pussy stuff got out of the way, he was doing a lot of speeches in the rundown the last few days. 0.97

00:25:25.000 And I watched a few of them on television because I almost felt like, even though I knew I was going to vote, I almost felt like some sort of a spectator. 0.96

00:25:33.000 Like, this cannot possibly be real, to speak to your software simulation idea in the beginning, that a lot of people share, by the way.

00:25:40.000 It's not just Crazy Scott Adams and me, but there's a lot of folks out there that think that we're living in a simulation, right? 0.79

00:25:46.000 But as he would give these speeches, and there were some of the speeches he gave where there was these moments, and you're like, if someone could tell that guy to keep it at seven, like where he's at right there, and talk like that always, and avoid all the crazy shit, But man, 0.99

00:26:03.000 the crazy shit is what you get. 0.98

00:26:06.000 That's the thing about people like Trump or any powerful super dominator type character like that. 1.00

00:26:15.000 You have some flaws, a lot of them.

00:26:17.000 Look what he kept saying all the time.

00:26:19.000 He was always saying he was the energy guy, energy guy, look at my crowds, the other one has no stamina, this one's low energy.

00:26:26.000 He knew that facts didn't matter.

00:26:29.000 He knew that policy didn't matter.

00:26:30.000 And by the end, I think everybody agrees they didn't.

00:26:33.000 I mean, by election day, not a lot of people were saying, well, I sure like that TPP stand.

00:26:40.000 I mean, nothing like that was happening.

00:26:42.000 There was no issues.

00:26:43.000 No issues.

00:26:44.000 It just came down to which one you hated the more.

00:26:48.000 Well, there was one issue, though, that was real, and that was amongst feminists. 1.00

00:26:52.000 There was amongst women who were willing to exonerate Hillary on all the weird shit that she had ever done involving women, all the stuff that she had done involving deleted emails. 0.91

00:27:02.000 And I had heard people even say that people were giving her a hard time because she's a woman on her health. 1.00

00:27:10.000 And I was like, you are out of your fucking mind if you believe that. 1.00

00:27:14.000 She's falling asleep when she's standing up. 1.00

00:27:16.000 That is bad.

00:27:17.000 That is so bad.

00:27:19.000 If that was anyone close to me, anyone close to me, I'd be like, you're not going to be president.

00:27:23.000 We've got to get you healthy. 0.99

00:27:25.000 You're fucking blacking out while you're standing up. 0.99

00:27:28.000 And it's not just once. 1.00

00:27:29.000 She fell down once in 2012, got a serious concussion, and was fucked up for six months. 0.98

00:27:35.000 Me as a person who's terrified of brain trauma, that freaks me the fuck out because I know the repercussions I know the impulsiveness that it bestows upon people. 0.98

00:27:44.000 It's a horrible curse that's happened to a lot of people I know.

00:27:48.000 So I knew there was this weird delusional thing where people didn't want to address the fact that her health is poor.

00:27:54.000 And then it was revealed in one of the WikiLeaks emails that she had suffered from some sort of a, not a stroke, but a seizure in 2015. Like, that's a fucking year ago! 0.97

00:28:04.000 What is happening? 0.98

00:28:06.000 But nobody wanted to talk about that.

00:28:08.000 And there was this strange air that she's not being treated fairly.

00:28:12.000 I'm like, here's treated fairly.

00:28:14.000 She is a person who deleted 30,000 emails after she got a subpoena.

00:28:21.000 She's an older, rich, white woman. 1.00

00:28:23.000 If she was a 40-year-old black guy and she deleted 30,000 emails after a subpoena, they would just shoot you. 1.00

00:28:30.000 Right. 1.00

00:28:31.000 They would kick down your fucking door and cuff you and drag you off to a cage somewhere. 1.00

00:28:37.000 So, how weird is it... 1.00

00:28:39.000 Boy, am I a right winger?

00:28:40.000 What's going on here?

00:28:41.000 How weird is it that we went through that entire election cycle and so many people, like you and like me, were saying, I'm not sure she looks healthy enough.

00:28:50.000 She's definitely not healthy.

00:28:52.000 Now, she, of course, met all the standards of past presidents, but what person ever interviewed her and said, look, there are a lot of questions about your health, and asked the question this way, can you look the American public in the eye and tell us there's no major health problems that you haven't disclosed?

00:29:09.000 I would never ask her a question like that, because I don't think she'd ever give you a real answer.

00:29:13.000 The same way with the FBI... But you could tell by the way she evaded it whether she was lying.

00:29:18.000 She's a I'm a wizard at that, though. 1.00

00:29:20.000 That's her shit. 1.00

00:29:21.000 That's her shit, man. 1.00

00:29:22.000 That red cape. 1.00

00:29:23.000 The bull just goes flying by. 0.85

00:29:25.000 You know, you can always tell a liar.

00:29:27.000 Liars will say something like, so if you said to me, Scott, have you ever had any major health problems?

00:29:34.000 I'd say, I have met all the requirements of the presidency. 0.72

00:29:38.000 I'd say, oh, no, no.

00:29:38.000 I'm asking you a specific question.

00:29:40.000 Is there anything not disclosed?

00:29:42.000 And then I say...

00:29:44.000 Donald Trump hasn't disclosed any more than I have disclosed.

00:29:47.000 That's a person who's hiding something.

00:29:49.000 Otherwise, they look you right in the eye and they go, I swear, I'm great.

00:29:53.000 You know, everything's good.

00:29:55.000 I promise you nothing's going to come out later when I'm president.

00:29:58.000 You will not be disappointed in any way. 0.99

00:30:00.000 Because nobody can say that if they think they're going to get bitten in the ass in a year and a half when they collapse on the White House lawn. 0.97

00:30:07.000 My point was in saying that is that if you just if you anyway described her health issues that you would somehow be a sexist and That the idea of her gender and being the first female president which obviously would be very historic right huge issue huge huge honor That that that was a part of what they were voting for It became a part her gender became a part of what they were voting for and so that was an issue let me give you the The positive spin on the same topic. 0.98

00:30:38.000 CNN published 24 pundit explanations of why Trump won unexpectedly.

00:30:45.000 24 different theories about why we didn't see it coming.

00:30:48.000 In the top 24, none of them were, she's a woman, so couldn't get... 1.00

00:30:55.000 Right.

00:30:55.000 Not in the top 24. So if we may pause for a moment from piling on Ms. Clinton, I gotta say that the whole breaking the glass ceiling thing, she fucking did that.

00:31:08.000 That's toast. 0.99

00:31:09.000 There's no six-year-old born today who says a woman can't be president. 0.99

00:31:13.000 That's not even in their worldview.

00:31:15.000 That's so not true.

00:31:16.000 I'll find you five, six-year-olds and say it right to your face.

00:31:18.000 I'll bet not.

00:31:19.000 I get a bunch of them together.

00:31:20.000 Can a woman be president? 1.00

00:31:20.000 I get some boys together. 1.00

00:31:22.000 I give them candy.

00:31:23.000 High-five them.

00:31:24.000 You can trick them.

00:31:25.000 That's true.

00:31:26.000 You can talk wise into anything for candy.

00:31:28.000 That's true.

00:31:29.000 I mean, I know what you're saying, though.

00:31:31.000 I know what you're saying.

00:31:31.000 She won the popular vote, right, as far as current count?

00:31:36.000 Right.

00:31:36.000 But who are you seeing saying, oh, if it was sexism that didn't get her elected?

00:31:40.000 Feminists. 0.94

00:31:41.000 Feminists that I know. 1.00

00:31:42.000 I mean, there's a lot of people that actually believe that.

00:31:44.000 And you know what, man?

00:31:45.000 There's a whole spectrum of variables.

00:31:47.000 And if someone's thinking about, if they're hovering over, you know, if they're looking at Gary Johnson and Hillary Clinton, maybe they're like, never Trump.

00:31:56.000 Maybe they're one of those people. 1.00

00:31:57.000 They're like, one of these motherfuckers is going to get my vote. 1.00

00:31:59.000 They might start thinking, man, I don't know if I want a woman president. 1.00

00:32:02.000 That's absolutely a factor.

00:32:03.000 Have you heard anybody say that?

00:32:05.000 Yes.

00:32:06.000 And what do they say?

00:32:07.000 A friend of mine.

00:32:08.000 She's a yoga instructor. 0.99

00:32:09.000 Oh, does a woman say that? 1.00

00:32:10.000 She goes, bitches are crazy. 1.00

00:32:11.000 I don't want a woman running this country. 1.00

00:32:13.000 That's for real.

00:32:15.000 That's a real statement.

00:32:16.000 I mean, that's a human being who was just talking to me and we're friends and no one was around.

00:32:21.000 And do you think that she would vote on that?

00:32:23.000 Yes.

00:32:24.000 I think there's many people that would vote on that. 1.00

00:32:26.000 But there's many people that will, like, fuck this man. 1.00

00:32:28.000 I don't care what Hillary did. 1.00

00:32:29.000 I don't care if Hillary's got a bunch of rape victims buried in her backyard. 1.00

00:32:32.000 That's a woman, she represents women, and probably Donald's got more. 0.96

00:32:37.000 You know?

00:32:37.000 There's that attitude, too.

00:32:38.000 There's a lot of people that would only vote for a woman if given the chance. 0.95

00:32:42.000 Yeah, so I don't know how you'd net it down, because I think it was a net positive.

00:32:46.000 There's 300 million people in this country, plus Mexicans.

00:32:49.000 I don't think you really can net it down like that.

00:32:51.000 I just think there's too many of us.

00:32:53.000 I think that's one of the things that we learned from this really important lesson when it comes to polls.

00:32:59.000 They're not real anymore.

00:33:01.000 They're not real.

00:33:02.000 You're not talking to me.

00:33:03.000 You're not answering polls. 1.00

00:33:04.000 Jamie doesn't answer a goddamn poll. 1.00

00:33:06.000 Look at him. 1.00

00:33:07.000 No one you know answers polls.

00:33:09.000 It's such a small sampling of people. 1.00

00:33:12.000 And the people that answer polls, they don't have anything better to do than answer a fucking poll. 0.99

00:33:17.000 Right? 0.99

00:33:18.000 That's not good.

00:33:19.000 It's a jury duty problem.

00:33:20.000 Yeah, it's exactly what the problem is.

00:33:21.000 So I think we learned that definitively.

00:33:24.000 These polls do not work.

00:33:26.000 Well, if I could defend Nate Silver for a moment.

00:33:29.000 Who's Nate Silver?

00:33:30.000 Who's that guy again?

00:33:31.000 He does 538 website, the best statistician on politics.

00:33:36.000 Well, it's not his fault.

00:33:37.000 He's worked with the data he has.

00:33:39.000 Well, but he was also within 2%, I think.

00:33:41.000 Was he?

00:33:42.000 Yeah.

00:33:42.000 So at the end.

00:33:43.000 But, you know, they always converge toward the end. 0.97

00:33:46.000 You know, they start out wildly ridiculous.

00:33:48.000 And then when it's clear that it's going to be one way or the other, all the polls start coming toward the end because they want to say, well, at the end, I was only 2% off.

00:33:55.000 Jamie and I were watching this video clip of the Young Turks calling down the election yesterday, and at the beginning of it, they were 100% convinced that Hillary could not lose.

00:34:04.000 You know, there was one guy who was saying, you know, Hillary can't lose.

00:34:07.000 Like, literally, it's mathematically impossible. 0.99

00:34:09.000 And then by the end, they were fucking screaming and swearing. 0.98

00:34:12.000 It was like, wow, these numbers that people, like, count on. 0.99

00:34:16.000 Like, 84% say this, 15% say...

00:34:20.000 Try to imagine my life.

00:34:22.000 I don't know if you know this, but a year ago, more than a year ago, I predicted that Trump would win with a 98% certainty in a landslide.

00:34:30.000 Win it all.

00:34:31.000 I was one of the few people who said it early.

00:34:34.000 And this is because of the way he was so persuasive?

00:34:37.000 Yeah, just based on his talent.

00:34:39.000 But this was pre the Rosie O'Donnell thing, if it was a year ago.

00:34:44.000 I think it was over the summer that it was like August last year that the first debates were?

00:34:48.000 I think you're right.

00:34:50.000 But that wasn't a year ago, right?

00:34:51.000 That was a little bit more than a year ago.

00:34:52.000 But whatever, we're splitting hairs then.

00:34:54.000 Okay.

00:34:55.000 So back then when I predicted it, you can imagine the heat I took because it was such an unlikely pick and how many people just wanted to dance on my grave for being wrong.

00:35:07.000 And they're angry at you.

00:35:08.000 And angry, yes.

00:35:10.000 Going over to Amazon, giving me bad book reviews because they didn't like what I said about Donald Trump.

00:35:17.000 So, that moment...

00:35:21.000 When I find out that I haven't wasted my whole year, because it would have been a terrible year to be so wrong for a year, and then there's like no payoff whatsoever.

00:35:30.000 It was like the worst gamble ever, bad risk management.

00:35:35.000 But then to have it come through just the way I predicted it was this amazing, amazing moment.

00:35:41.000 You only get a few of those in your life.

00:35:43.000 Well, he did really win by a landslide.

00:35:46.000 So that you were off by that.

00:35:47.000 That's it.

00:35:48.000 Small electoral landslide.

00:35:49.000 Oh, electoral.

00:35:50.000 Yeah, I guess so.

00:35:52.000 Electorally won by quite a few points, right?

00:35:54.000 Yeah.

00:35:54.000 But it was pretty close up until how many hours in?

00:35:58.000 As soon as you started...

00:36:00.000 Doesn't matter.

00:36:01.000 Yeah, it doesn't matter.

00:36:01.000 It doesn't matter.

00:36:02.000 Here's the thing that I think is important to make a distinction, and this is what I recognized on you when I watched some of your periscopes.

00:36:09.000 You just weren't making a moral judgment of him as a person, and that's what people expected.

00:36:15.000 People expected a line in the sand to be drawn morally.

00:36:18.000 What you were doing was talking about all of his traits.

00:36:22.000 You were compounding all of his positive traits and what he does well.

00:36:28.000 And then people got mad at you for bringing, like you're analyzing it, like say if you're a scientist and you take a plant that you find in the Amazon, you're like, well what does this plant consist of?

00:36:39.000 Let's break down the parts.

00:36:40.000 You were kind of breaking down the parts of what he does and what he's effective.

00:36:45.000 And it didn't seem to me...

00:36:46.000 I'm like, this doesn't seem like a guy who's like...

00:36:48.000 There's a few guys out there that are like rabid, rah-rah Trump supporters, and some of them where it's super transparent.

00:36:54.000 There's a few guys out there that I'm watching them and I know what they're doing.

00:36:57.000 What they're doing is they're latching onto the Trump train. 0.97

00:37:00.000 They're latching on, like, really shamelessly, where they tweet about Trump all the time now, where they never give a fuck about him a while ago.

00:37:08.000 Like, over the last six months, they've jumped on this because they recognize there's a tremendous amount of loyalty and momentum behind being a Trump supporter and a fan, because it's a tough stance to take. 0.99

00:37:17.000 So guys that are already marginalized, they're already kind of, like, fringe, and people think they're kind of maybe creepy, they're like, fuck this, I'm going full creep.

00:37:25.000 And they jump right in, and it's, God, it's real transparent.

00:37:28.000 It's interesting.

00:37:29.000 You know, obviously that's just my take on it.

00:37:31.000 They might actually be really Trump supporters, and they're super excited, but I sense some disingenuous behavior out there.

00:37:38.000 Careful, careful, Trump train. 1.00

00:37:40.000 You might have some hobos on your fucking wagons. 1.00

00:37:43.000 You know, I think what's different about this election and about Trump in particular is that it used to be we were electing a leader, right? 0.99

00:37:51.000 Someone who would be a role model and all that.

00:37:53.000 I think he threw that all out the door.

00:37:55.000 And social media throws even more out the door.

00:37:57.000 And what I mean is, I think the public is the leader now.

00:38:01.000 I mean, I think no laws get passed unless the majority of the public wants it to get passed.

00:38:06.000 Anything that gets a little out of line, social media just throws it back in line.

00:38:11.000 And more than ever, I think we hired an employee rather than a leader.

00:38:15.000 I feel like I hired a plumber, you know, someone who's just really good at a specific set of skills, negotiating, you know, maybe doing something with the budget, whatever needs to be done, secure the borders.

00:38:26.000 But it's sort of like picking a lawyer.

00:38:29.000 I don't care what he's doing in his personal life.

00:38:32.000 He's not my role model.

00:38:33.000 And by the way, which of our kids are looking to 70-year-old men as their role models anyway?

00:38:39.000 I mean, I don't know if that happens a lot anyway.

00:38:41.000 But I think he really is going to be the first sort of people's president.

00:38:46.000 You see his policies changing in real time.

00:38:50.000 The example we talked about earlier when he misspoke and he said women should be It turns out that the law and both Republicans and Democrats think that's crazy because it would discourage, you know, encourage the wrong behavior and so only the doctor is punished.

00:39:09.000 But you saw him change his opinion in 24 hours just by being a little more informed and hearing that the public was all on the same side.

00:39:16.000 So that's interesting.

00:39:18.000 So he'll bend with the breeze, and you're not going to call it flip-flopping, which is what the common political term is, right?

00:39:25.000 Right.

00:39:25.000 In the political realm, it would be flip-flopping, and he has no moral backbone.

00:39:29.000 But you're saying it's receptive to the public's desires.

00:39:32.000 He's a business person.

00:39:33.000 In the business realm, it's more like A-B testing.

00:39:36.000 Which is you're rapidly testing things, you see what the response is, and you adjust if you don't get the right response.

00:39:41.000 But that's also like one of the criticisms of him is that he talks off the cuff without really having researched or thought deeply about these subjects.

00:39:47.000 And when you're talking about a guy who's supposed to be the leader of the greatest country the world's ever known, like that guy should probably not do that.

00:39:55.000 I'm going to put a different filter on that.

00:39:57.000 Okay.

00:39:58.000 From the persuasion filter, Since facts and logic and policies and stuff don't matter as much as you want, when you see him ignoring things that you just think, man, a reasonable person would not say that, a reasonable person would not ignore that, he ignores things because they don't matter.

00:40:15.000 You think he's ignoring something very important and he would perform better if he did what you imagine is the right way to act.

00:40:22.000 I don't think so.

00:40:23.000 But you don't think it's important to not arrest women who get illegal abortions?

00:40:28.000 No, I'm saying...

00:40:30.000 But you know what I'm saying?

00:40:31.000 Like, that's an important thing to pay attention to, right?

00:40:33.000 If you have an opinion on it.

00:40:34.000 Well, what I'm saying is that the things you would need to know to be a president...

00:40:38.000 Okay.

00:40:39.000 And let's say Hillary Clinton knows them all.

00:40:42.000 Let's say she's a 10 out of 10 of just knowledge.

00:40:45.000 If he's a six, which probably is even generous, there probably isn't any decision that he won't have advisors who are filling him in.

00:40:53.000 I see.

00:40:54.000 He becomes informed as he needs to know it, exactly the way a CEO would run something.

00:40:58.000 Okay, so this is not really related to that one particular subject.

00:41:01.000 No, that was just an example of him changing when he became more informed.

00:41:06.000 He didn't stick to an old opinion even as the facts changed.

00:41:09.000 Right, right.

00:41:10.000 And he's done the same thing with Obamacare as well, right?

00:41:12.000 Met with Obama and said, okay, maybe there's some things about Obamacare that we might want to keep.

00:41:16.000 So what he does, we call pacing and leading in the hypnosis persuasion world.

00:41:22.000 It's not called bullshitting?

00:41:25.000 No, and here's how it's different.

00:41:26.000 What he does is he agrees with people emotionally first.

00:41:29.000 He gets you on your side emotionally.

00:41:31.000 So if you're really concerned about immigration, for example, he doesn't just say, yeah, yeah, I'm concerned about that too.

00:41:37.000 That would be sort of a Hillary Clinton approach. 1.00

00:41:40.000 Being less concerned than you are, but, you know, I got other priorities.

00:41:43.000 He's way more concerned than you are.

00:41:44.000 If you're a little bit worried about immigration, he's worried about, you know, ISIS coming over here and putting people in cages and cutting off heads and, my God, there's a hordes coming over the border.

00:41:54.000 So he's so on your side.

00:41:56.000 That when he changes toward the middle, and you knew he had to, because you have to do that when you get in the general election, that his side was not feeling betrayed because they're saying, well, if he's changing the specifics of his policy, it must be because he looked into it, and that's what's practical.

00:42:12.000 That's interesting.

00:42:13.000 That's what's practical.

00:42:14.000 We're good to go. 0.84

00:42:38.000 I feel like he's dealing with really shitty competition. 0.58

00:42:41.000 Hillary Clinton is a terrible example of someone who should be running the country in so many ways, and she beat him in the popular vote. 1.00

00:42:48.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:49.000 She's got a lot of dirt on her. 1.00

00:42:51.000 So she beat him in the contest they weren't having.

00:42:54.000 There was only one contest.

00:42:55.000 That's true.

00:42:56.000 And he won that one.

00:42:57.000 That's true.

00:42:57.000 What's hilarious is in 2012, he was saying it was a rigged system because of that contest.

00:43:02.000 I mean, he was talking about the popular vote.

00:43:05.000 What year was it where it went to Al Gore?

00:43:09.000 What year was it where Al Gore won the popular vote?

00:43:12.000 Did Kerry?

00:43:13.000 No, Kerry never won the popular vote, right?

00:43:15.000 It was just Al Gore.

00:43:16.000 Al Gore won the popular vote.

00:43:17.000 Against Bush, right?

00:43:18.000 Yeah.

00:43:19.000 By like a half a million.

00:43:21.000 Yeah.

00:43:22.000 So every year there's going to be this conversation anytime the vote is close. 0.99

00:43:27.000 But what you see is that Trump doesn't care about, let's say, the consistency or what somebody would say is being a hypocrite. 0.99

00:43:37.000 I've tweeted this recently that the least persuasive thing you could ever say in politics if you're trying to change somebody's mind is, that person's a hypocrite. 0.98

00:43:47.000 In all of history, that's never changed anybody's mind. 0.97

00:43:50.000 Nobody ever said, oh, slap my head.

00:43:52.000 I didn't realize that happens on both sides.

00:43:54.000 You mean about a politician?

00:43:55.000 About a politician, yeah.

00:43:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:57.000 Well, we accept a certain amount of bullshit. 0.99

00:44:00.000 But we also accept that they used to say one thing, and now they say another, and it just seems so normal. 0.99

00:44:04.000 It's in the baseline.

00:44:05.000 Don't you think that being the president is an impossible job?

00:44:09.000 It's impossible.

00:44:10.000 It just doesn't seem like anybody could really do it.

00:44:13.000 It's both impossible and the easiest job in the sense that the office of the president and all the advisors and all the public opinion is going to force you down to just a few possible options.

00:44:24.000 And those two options, you will not have enough information to know which one's better.

00:44:28.000 So anybody guessing among the last two options that they've narrowed it down to...

00:44:35.000 There's a little bit of luck involved, I've got to say.

00:44:37.000 And how so?

00:44:38.000 What do you mean by this?

00:44:39.000 Well, you have to match the personality and the time, right?

00:44:42.000 So you could have a president who was just terrific in wartime.

00:44:48.000 But weren't much good in anything else.

00:44:49.000 So they'd be, next thing you know, they're on Mount Rushmore.

00:44:53.000 But you have Obama, whose primary job was winding down two wars and basically cleaning up another mess and keeping us from a larger problem, the economy melting down.

00:45:06.000 So Obama is really the presidency of things he prevented that could have been worse.

00:45:12.000 Well, I would put him in the top 20% of presidents.

00:45:15.000 So my view of him is very positive.

00:45:16.000 And I think even Obamacare is a genius, persuasive move, even in its failure, because he set it up that way.

00:45:24.000 And he said that publicly.

00:45:26.000 He said, I'm going to launch it ugly.

00:45:29.000 I'm paraphrasing.

00:45:30.000 Didn't get exactly what I wanted in this law.

00:45:33.000 But once it's out there, It'll be impossible for politicians to pull back coverage.

00:45:38.000 They'll just have to fix it.

00:45:40.000 So where are we today? 0.94

00:45:41.000 Everybody's saying, Obama, total failure without Obamacare, because we're going to keep the good parts, keywords, keep the good parts, exactly as he fucking planned and said so publicly. 0.96

00:45:53.000 He said it. 0.97

00:45:54.000 He said it publicly.

00:45:56.000 He said, I'm going to do this ugly, wrong, and you're going to have to fix it because it's going to be the only choice you have.

00:46:01.000 And that's what Trump's going to do.

00:46:03.000 He's going to fix it.

00:46:04.000 So what is he going to fix?

00:46:07.000 Probably he's going to keep the main parts and probably shift some money around from something.

00:46:15.000 I'm not sure the fix looks like a miracle fix.

00:46:19.000 I don't know that that's in our future.

00:46:20.000 And I'm no expert on Obamacare.

00:46:23.000 Well, there's this weird thing that we've done now with Trump that I've never seen before where we've narrowed him down to chants and slogans. 0.95

00:46:33.000 I talked in this podcast about I was in New York City at the time of the protests because I was there for the UFC and we were walking from the gym to the hotel and we just got caught in this wave of people screaming with really fucking crazy signs, 0.99

00:46:48.000 man. 0.62

00:46:49.000 There wasn't a whole lot of love and compassion on their signs.

00:46:52.000 We were talking about this before the podcast started.

00:46:54.000 The left has become something very different.

00:46:56.000 It's like this really aggressive, insulting, shaming, and even the call for violence. 0.73

00:47:03.000 Like, there's people with rape Melania signs. 0.93

00:47:06.000 It's like, this is crazy.

00:47:07.000 Yeah, there's pictures of them online.

00:47:09.000 So the big question is, since I have one foot in the, you know, the alt-right world, because I sample everything over there, but I'm also watching CNN and regular media, and these folks live in completely different realities because they have...

00:47:24.000 Different information because they're looking at different sources.

00:47:27.000 So within the conservative side of things, it is universally understood that the protesters are professional and they're paid by Soros.

00:47:37.000 And by the way, I'm not saying this.

00:47:38.000 I'm saying what their view is.

00:47:39.000 On the other side, people think it's a true grassroots movement.

00:47:43.000 And so the view is completely two different worlds.

00:47:47.000 Well there may very well be some people that have been paid to protest, but there is absolutely a bunch of people that are protesting because they're upset.

00:47:56.000 I mean, they might be fluffed up a little bit.

00:48:00.000 I don't know.

00:48:00.000 But there's definitely people that are just young people that are pissed off.

00:48:03.000 Or old people that are pissed off. 0.99

00:48:04.000 There's people that are just upset.

00:48:05.000 The question is whether the protests would have lasted and spread and been as well organized.

00:48:11.000 People love a good protest, Scott Adams.

00:48:13.000 It's fun.

00:48:14.000 You feel like you're doing something.

00:48:15.000 You're blocking Wilshire. 1.00

00:48:16.000 Fuck you! 1.00

00:48:18.000 People, you know, this guy... 1.00

00:48:19.000 I mean, what I was saying about it boiled down to a slogan.

00:48:23.000 Like, there's a bunch of... 1.00

00:48:24.000 Not my fucking president. 1.00

00:48:26.000 You know, like that kind of shit. 1.00

00:48:27.000 Like, Donald Trump, KKK. Like, they want to, like, yell out things that they associate with him, which I've never seen before about a president. 1.00

00:48:37.000 Yeah.

00:48:37.000 So I write about this extensively.

00:48:40.000 So the best persuasion is fear, right?

00:48:43.000 So in the beginning of the election, Trump had the best persuasion because he was saying, the terrorists are coming in.

00:48:48.000 You know, I'll stop him.

00:48:49.000 There's criminals coming across the border.

00:48:51.000 Clinton was talking boring policies and, hey, I'm experienced. 0.68

00:48:55.000 So she didn't have a chance against, you know, you're going to die tomorrow.

00:48:58.000 By summer, she obviously had some professional help, meaning somebody who's a cognitive scientist or a professional persuader.

00:49:06.000 And she started using the term dark all the time, and all the surrogates used it at the same time.

00:49:12.000 It's dark, dark, dark.

00:49:14.000 And she started coloring him as a huge racist, you know, dictator, dangerous to the world, and the most dangerous thing in the world.

00:49:22.000 Because if you're worried about terrorism, you're really worried about somebody else getting killed.

00:49:27.000 Because you're not really thinking you get killed by terrorists.

00:49:30.000 You know, even if it's pretty bad, somebody else is getting killed.

00:49:33.000 But Clinton painted a picture to make you afraid of the nuclear holocaust created by Trump tweeting something at 3 a.m.

00:49:43.000 and hitting the button accidentally.

00:49:45.000 And so that was the ultimate fear.

00:49:47.000 So she really had that going.

00:49:50.000 And when she lost...

00:49:53.000 She had all these people activated who would have been instantly deactivated if Trump had lost.

00:50:00.000 But there's no deactivation on the bomb now.

00:50:02.000 She created this societal bomb that is these protests and the way people feel. 0.51

00:50:08.000 These people literally believe that Hitler was just elected.

00:50:13.000 You know, a version of Hitler who will... 0.98

00:50:16.000 And I actually saw today a journalist talking about, you know, concentration camps and that sort of thing.

00:50:23.000 I believe nothing even remotely like that's going to happen or, you know, I would obviously be on the side of the protesters.

00:50:32.000 So it's not their view of the world is that the Trump supporters know he's a racist and they installed him because they want him to go do racist things.

00:50:42.000 Trump supporters know that even within their ranks, it's like, I don't know, 2% of people are actual racists.

00:50:48.000 And I've never met one, like the hardcore kind.

00:50:51.000 I've never even met one.

00:50:53.000 I bet we can introduce you to some people if we just asked around.

00:50:56.000 I think it wouldn't be hard to find one.

00:50:59.000 Alonzo Bowden had a very funny line.

00:51:01.000 He said, not all Trump supporters are racists, but all racists are Trump supporters.

00:51:05.000 So what we have here is a situation where the racists are living in their own little world and they think they actually, you know, got their guy.

00:51:13.000 Right.

00:51:14.000 Most Trump supporters, just like, hey, less taxes, you know, they're thinking they like his personality.

00:51:21.000 They'll just like something about him.

00:51:23.000 And the Clinton supporters think that Hitler actually got elected.

00:51:26.000 So they're acting on that.

00:51:28.000 So what's happened is that Clinton has, somewhat accidentally, because she thought she was going to win, at which point this whole problem goes away, somewhat accidentally created this gigantic societal bomb that there's no way to defuse.

00:51:42.000 But a number of people, including me, are trying to figure out how to literally dehypnotize people who are in this illusion that World War III just started.

00:51:53.000 It was very disturbing to me.

00:51:56.000 One of the big ones was when she was confronted about the DNC hack and her emails and all that stuff, the hacked emails from her server, where she diverted attention by saying that it was Russia that did this and that there would be repercussions,

00:52:13.000 and then she said, even possibly militarily, Like, that's the worst diffusion of responsibility ever.

00:52:21.000 Like, we're talking about you deleting emails after a subpoena, and your argument is that the Russians got those emails and we should bomb them.

00:52:31.000 I mean, that's literally what she's saying.

00:52:33.000 That was crazy when she said there would be repercussions militarily. 1.00

00:52:36.000 To fucking Russia! 1.00

00:52:38.000 Like, Russia! 1.00

00:52:39.000 We're not talking about invading Puerto Rico. 1.00

00:52:41.000 It's fucking Russia. 0.99

00:52:43.000 Like, you're saying there's going to be military invasions because someone stole your email that wasn't secure. 1.00

00:52:51.000 I'm going to defend her.

00:52:52.000 Please do.

00:52:53.000 I'm going to surprise you a little bit.

00:52:54.000 Oh boy, here we go.

00:52:56.000 We should have a drink.

00:52:57.000 Do you drink?

00:52:59.000 I don't anymore.

00:53:00.000 Anymore?

00:53:00.000 When did you stop?

00:53:02.000 It just gave me a sinus problem, so I stopped several years ago.

00:53:05.000 I feel much healthier.

00:53:06.000 All right, dude.

00:53:08.000 No pressure.

00:53:09.000 What was I talking about?

00:53:10.000 You were going to defend Hillary Clinton because I was saying that we were going to attack Russia because of emails.

00:53:16.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:53:16.000 So the way leaders talk with each other is, you know, this is my red line.

00:53:20.000 Don't think this is serious.

00:53:21.000 That's not the same as saying, if you got my email, I'm going to bomb you tomorrow.

00:53:26.000 Right.

00:53:26.000 There is a certain amount of seriousness which you must convey, which is separate from what are you actually going to do.

00:53:32.000 Agreed. 0.96

00:53:33.000 So she was conveying a 10 out of 10 maximum code red seriousness, if you got my fucking emails, and it changed the course of our republic. 0.96

00:53:55.000 Well, here's the problem. 0.97

00:53:56.000 There's no evidence that the Russians did it.

00:53:58.000 Not only that, the FBI and the CIA don't think the Russians did it.

00:54:04.000 It wasn't something that there was any definitive proof.

00:54:08.000 It was...

00:54:08.000 Find out who...

00:54:10.000 Jamie, see if you can pull this up.

00:54:11.000 Who believed that it was Russia and who didn't believe it was Russia? 0.64

00:54:14.000 Because there was some very prominent security people that were hired to investigate.

00:54:19.000 Zero evidence it was Russia.

00:54:21.000 So it was just a diffusion.

00:54:23.000 And you could tell that it was a planned diffusion because of that White House Correspondents press dinner.

00:54:29.000 She made a joke about riding a horse with Putin. 1.00

00:54:32.000 She made this Russian joke, so there's this theme, and it was a shit joke, too. 1.00

00:54:37.000 Whoever wrote it should be slapped. 1.00

00:54:39.000 It was terrible. 0.90

00:54:40.000 The way it was set up, if somebody pitched that around the joke writer's table, it was Tony Hinchcliffe and Jeff Rosser, they'd be like, no, no, no, that one's not going to make it.

00:54:52.000 That's a terrible joke.

00:54:53.000 It's just not a good joke.

00:54:55.000 And she didn't know how to deliver it either, and it was just a clunky, Extra attempt to connect Putin and Trump because people are scared of Russia. 0.97

00:55:05.000 But it was so shitty and ham-handed that it just didn't work. 0.99

00:55:09.000 And everybody knows there's no fucking evidence. 0.99

00:55:11.000 I mean, there's no evidence that Russia's doing anything. 0.99

00:55:13.000 None. 0.92

00:55:14.000 I think the Russia thing took her from, you know, serious states person, you know, the most experienced person who ever ran for president, to a little bit ridiculous. 0.90

00:55:25.000 Yes. 0.90

00:55:25.000 She got desperate. 0.90

00:55:27.000 I suppose.

00:55:28.000 It's a desperate move.

00:55:29.000 She didn't have any other options.

00:55:30.000 She went code red. 1.00

00:55:32.000 She started talking shit back. 0.99

00:55:34.000 She started making things up back and connecting him to... 0.99

00:55:37.000 Look, it was just...

00:55:37.000 The whole thing was so sordid to me.

00:55:40.000 That was the most unfortunate thing about it.

00:55:42.000 When you do see all this stuff on TV, one thing that you can't deny, it might not affect you, and it might not affect me, but there are certain people that follow the tone of the leaders of this country.

00:55:52.000 And when you have a guy who's the president who, you know... 1.00

00:55:57.000 Is gonna say insulting shit, call Jon Stewart a pussy in a tweet at 1.30 in the morning. 1.00

00:56:02.000 Like, that sets the tone for the country. 1.00

00:56:05.000 And it's gonna make some people very happy. 1.00

00:56:07.000 There's some people that love to talk shit, they love to insult people, and they're like, fuck yeah, open season. 1.00

00:56:12.000 The way I described it, I said political correctness took a missile to the dick. 1.00

00:56:16.000 Because that's what it was like.

00:56:17.000 This is the guy at the top of the totem pole, and we can relax our standards now on all the things that have been annoying you about people nitpicking about behaviors and insults and safe words and safe spaces.

00:56:29.000 All that stuff's kind of gone.

00:56:31.000 Yeah.

00:56:33.000 So, it does affect the way people think and behave, right? 0.98

00:56:37.000 There's almost nobody who won't use the word pussy in public now. 1.00

00:56:41.000 Do you remember so many months ago when that just wasn't a thing? 0.98

00:56:45.000 That's so true!

00:56:46.000 You couldn't say that.

00:56:47.000 That's so true.

00:56:48.000 It became like a constant dinner table talk. 1.00

00:56:52.000 Like people sitting around saying, grab the pussy. 1.00

00:56:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:56:55.000 And it's coming from women. 1.00

00:56:56.000 It's not even men.

00:56:58.000 My girlfriend said it just recently.

00:56:59.000 It's so true. 0.84

00:57:00.000 It's so true. 0.84

00:57:01.000 That is so true.

00:57:02.000 That's interesting.

00:57:03.000 Yeah, well, you know, I think that we go one way and we go the other.

00:57:08.000 And I think that people get tired of too much left and they want some right.

00:57:11.000 And I think that's why we went from Carter to Reagan.

00:57:14.000 That's why we went from Bush to Clinton.

00:57:16.000 I just think that's what we do.

00:57:17.000 I think it's what we've always done.

00:57:19.000 And I think people are...

00:57:20.000 I also believe, and I've said this publicly, I think the whole Caitlyn Jenner thing had a big effect. 0.98

00:57:25.000 Because people were like, what in the fuck are we doing? 0.91

00:57:28.000 That's the athlete of the year. 0.98

00:57:30.000 This is woman of the year for Glamour magazine.

00:57:33.000 And...

00:57:33.000 And then you see her on the Ellen show and she doesn't believe in gay marriage.

00:57:37.000 And you're like, this is madness!

00:57:39.000 We're accepting madness as being okay! 0.99

00:57:42.000 And I think because of that, we're so accepting and so sensitive that anything involving gender gets a fucking free pass on all of its ludicrous aspects. 0.99

00:57:53.000 Like, she's a ludicrous person, but we gave her a free pass because she used to be a man and then she became a woman. 1.00

00:57:58.000 She fucking doesn't believe in gay marriage! 1.00

00:58:00.000 It's so crazy. 1.00

00:58:01.000 When Ellen asked her about it, she was like, well, I'm kind of a traditionalist.

00:58:04.000 Like, what? 0.99

00:58:06.000 What the fuck did you even just say? 1.00

00:58:08.000 You're a traditional girl? 1.00

00:58:10.000 Holy shit, this is crazy. 1.00

00:58:12.000 But we're not supposed to say anything. 0.99

00:58:14.000 We're supposed to just accept it. 0.99

00:58:15.000 Well, there's people at home all across the country throwing their fucking beer cans in the kitchen. 1.00

00:58:20.000 Just, what the fuck are we doing? 1.00

00:58:22.000 What are we doing? 0.98

00:58:23.000 And I think there's this reaction when things go way too far left, when there's, you know, 78 different gender pronouns that you have to learn, when, you know, political correctness takes some crazy path where you're removing the General Lee's Confederate flag from the roof and pulling it off a TV land. 0.99

00:58:40.000 We gotta get this fucking... 0.98

00:58:41.000 It's like things go so far left that there's an automatic slingshot effect and they start going right again. 0.99

00:58:46.000 I'm okay with getting rid of the Confederate flag, by the way. 0.99

00:58:50.000 Well, it does represent bad things to people, but can you just fucking go in there and CGI that shit or something? 0.99

00:58:57.000 Or is it okay to have it in there because it represents the past, right? 0.98

00:59:02.000 You can go to watch Al Jolson videos on YouTube and you can watch them.

00:59:07.000 Here's my take on that.

00:59:09.000 People don't ask a lot from other people.

00:59:13.000 So you have this Confederate flag, a bunch of people like it because it's like, oh, it's the past, it's the South.

00:59:18.000 So, you know, you want to respect that people like what they like.

00:59:22.000 But another big part of the public is just really, really offended by it.

00:59:27.000 Like, not in a normal offensive way, like, you know, oh, you said a bad word, but like, you know, the deepest, you know, pain the country has ever experienced, you know, the slavery.

00:59:38.000 So if you can't allow your fellow citizen that little bit of respect, it's like, yeah, this is really inconvenient.

00:59:45.000 I wish I could keep my Confederate flag, whatever.

00:59:48.000 But they're not asking a lot.

00:59:50.000 All right?

00:59:51.000 That's just not a lot. 0.99

00:59:53.000 That's true, unless you own the Dukes of Hazzard, and you're like, where's my fucking money? 0.98

00:59:57.000 What the? 0.99

00:59:58.000 Are you kidding me?

00:59:59.000 We've played it for 50 years.

01:00:01.000 What happened?

01:00:03.000 Well, it represents not just slavery, which is one of the most awful things that has ever happened to human beings.

01:00:10.000 The other awful thing is war. 0.83

01:00:12.000 It represents war.

01:00:13.000 Civil war.

01:00:14.000 So the two most awful things.

01:00:16.000 Slavery and war.

01:00:18.000 It represents both of those.

01:00:19.000 It represents a war between two groups of people on the same land mass over slavery.

01:00:24.000 So it's death on top of horrific capturing and enslaving of people.

01:00:31.000 It's like everything that.

01:00:32.000 And I hate to be insensitive, but they weren't the winning side.

01:00:35.000 True.

01:00:36.000 They did lose.

01:00:37.000 But what's interesting is, just a few decades ago, whenever the Dukes of Hazzard was on TV, it didn't bother us at all.

01:00:43.000 That's really fascinating to me, that they were allowed to have it, and it wasn't an issue.

01:00:47.000 But I don't know.

01:00:48.000 I don't...

01:00:49.000 Yeah, maybe just people weren't thinking about it that way.

01:00:51.000 But once you started thinking about it...

01:00:53.000 But isn't that fascinating that it wasn't an issue, but we were all aware of it?

01:00:56.000 All of our issues are psychological.

01:00:58.000 I mean, you know, once you've got food and nobody's shooting at you, your problems tend to be mental.

01:01:04.000 Yeah.

01:01:06.000 Yeah, unless that whatever that image is is provoking violence, right?

01:01:10.000 You know, like the Nazi flag you can't have.

01:01:12.000 They lost too, but you can't have that one.

01:01:15.000 We won't give you that one, right?

01:01:17.000 Yeah, and again, it's like People don't ask a lot.

01:01:20.000 Yeah.

01:01:21.000 That's just not a lot to ask.

01:01:23.000 But isn't that fascinating?

01:01:24.000 Like, the English came—when we had a war with England, right, for our independence, they killed a lot of Americans. 0.99

01:01:29.000 You could have an English flag flying high, nobody gives a fuck. 0.99

01:01:32.000 You know? 0.99

01:01:33.000 That ended so politely, though.

01:01:35.000 Did it?

01:01:35.000 I mean, I think the British, they lose territory better than anybody.

01:01:40.000 Well, they'll, like, give you their sword.

01:01:42.000 It's like, well, we conquered much of the world, but okay.

01:01:47.000 This one didn't work out.

01:01:48.000 You put up a good fight.

01:01:50.000 Good for you.

01:01:51.000 Good for you.

01:01:52.000 Take your country back. 0.89

01:01:53.000 It is interesting, though, that there's some people that would argue for the Confederate flag, but almost no one would argue for the Nazi flag.

01:02:01.000 Well, probably somebody does, but yeah, I know what you're saying.

01:02:03.000 Right.

01:02:04.000 I mean, the Nazis, I mean, it couldn't have been that everyone in Germany was represented by the Nazis, right? 0.99

01:02:10.000 There's never a group, there's never 100% compliance and group mindset of any fucking country. 0.96

01:02:15.000 It's never existed, right? 0.95

01:02:16.000 It's just not how people are.

01:02:18.000 So we give the Germans a pass. 1.00

01:02:21.000 Because they were a part of that whole Nazi flag thing.

01:02:23.000 But when we look at the Confederate flag, like, if you're down with that, you have to be, it has to be like the two core things.

01:02:31.000 One, you're at war with the North, and two, you believe in slavery.

01:02:34.000 That's it.

01:02:35.000 You know, it can't just be, I'm a Leonard Skinner fan.

01:02:38.000 You know, images, like I said in the very beginning, visual persuasion is the strongest.

01:02:45.000 It is.

01:02:45.000 You just don't want to look at that thing if you're on the wrong side of that part of history.

01:02:50.000 I was thinking about that once because I went to Chichen Itza, where the Mayan pyramids are in the Yucatan.

01:02:57.000 And when we were driving, it's like a long drive to get to the pyramids.

01:03:01.000 And as we're driving, I saw this giant Coca-Cola billboard.

01:03:03.000 I said, how bizarre is that symbol?

01:03:06.000 Like that symbol is so etched in the consciousness of most people in the modern world.

01:03:11.000 But to see it in the jungle was just so strange.

01:03:14.000 It's just this giant thing that represents, I mean, it's like instantaneous representation.

01:03:21.000 Was it new or was it left over from the Mayan civilization that had it before?

01:03:26.000 It was newer than that.

01:03:29.000 Newer than that.

01:03:31.000 But, I mean, symbols are very strange.

01:03:33.000 I mean, we accept them and they have become a normal part of our society.

01:03:37.000 When you're driving down the road and you go, oh, what kind of car is that?

01:03:40.000 And you see the bow tie, oh, it's a Chevy.

01:03:42.000 Like these symbols, like the instantaneous recognizable symbols.

01:03:46.000 Have you noticed how easily boys can recognize the model of a car?

01:03:50.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:51.000 There's some kind of weird gender-specific skill. 0.99

01:03:55.000 Oh, I don't think so because Brian Callen doesn't know jack shit about cars. 0.87

01:03:58.000 Brian Callen could recognize like a Tesla and a car maybe he's owned, maybe, but it would have to be in the last couple of years. 0.99

01:04:04.000 He doesn't know shit. 0.98

01:04:05.000 I've never met a grown man that's like a manly guy who knows less, cares less about cars. 0.99

01:04:10.000 But still, if you said, what's that model car and it was a new one?

01:04:13.000 He probably wouldn't know.

01:04:13.000 He'd see a Mustang and think it's a Camaro.

01:04:15.000 Okay.

01:04:16.000 Trust me.

01:04:16.000 I can't.

01:04:17.000 Just brutal.

01:04:18.000 I've had conversations with him. 1.00

01:04:19.000 It's a fucking 69 Mustang. 1.00

01:04:21.000 You can't tell? 1.00

01:04:23.000 You look at that, that doesn't say that's a 69 Mustang to you? 1.00

01:04:26.000 Turn in your goddamn America card. 1.00

01:04:28.000 Turn it in, boy! 1.00

01:04:30.000 Like a 69 Camaro. 0.98

01:04:32.000 Okay, you see a 69 Camaro, you should fucking know what that is. 0.98

01:04:34.000 You should just know, as a man. 0.99

01:04:36.000 I wouldn't know a 68 from a 69. You should look at the headlights.

01:04:41.000 The taillights are different.

01:04:42.000 Everything's different.

01:04:43.000 The 68 have the same boxy taillights that the 67 had, whereas the 69 has lengthened a little bit.

01:04:49.000 Wow.

01:04:49.000 The 69's the year.

01:04:51.000 That's the right year.

01:04:52.000 I'm going to change my name to Caitlin.

01:04:54.000 No, you don't have to.

01:04:55.000 Maybe she knows a lot about cars.

01:04:59.000 That was the other thing about the Caitlyn thing that drove me crazy.

01:05:02.000 She killed somebody. 0.98

01:05:02.000 Knocked someone into traffic. 0.98

01:05:04.000 Knocked some lady into traffic because she wasn't paying attention.

01:05:06.000 The lady went head-on into traffic. 1.00

01:05:08.000 Someone slammed into her and killed her. 0.59

01:05:09.000 A Hummer.

01:05:10.000 One of the last Hummers in America. 0.99

01:05:12.000 Slammed in her and killed her. 0.89

01:05:14.000 And it never gets discussed. 0.88

01:05:15.000 She does talk shows.

01:05:16.000 And instead of talking about this horrific accident that cost some fell human their life, she talks about gender and nail polish.

01:05:24.000 Wow.

01:05:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:05:26.000 I did not know about this.

01:05:27.000 You didn't know about that?

01:05:28.000 Yeah, you didn't know.

01:05:29.000 See, that's a big part of the problem.

01:05:30.000 I've been mad at Caitlin since she was Bruce, because I happened to be on a flight one time across country, and Bruce at the time was in the seat in front of me and leaned his seat all the way back, and I couldn't use my laptop for five hours. 0.51

01:05:47.000 Goddammit.

01:05:48.000 You're mad about that, but couldn't you lean yours back and you didn't have more room?

01:05:52.000 It doesn't really work that way.

01:05:54.000 Right.

01:05:55.000 Couldn't you put your laptop in your lap?

01:05:56.000 Like an actual laptop?

01:06:00.000 That could have worked.

01:06:01.000 You could have done that.

01:06:02.000 If I was right next to you, you had to fix this whole thing.

01:06:04.000 If only I thought of that.

01:06:05.000 You're carving a grudge.

01:06:06.000 The lap.

01:06:06.000 You were like, I'm glad he's a chick.

01:06:08.000 He fucking ruined my typing. 0.99

01:06:09.000 This is why it's called the laptop. 1.00

01:06:12.000 Yeah, it sits on your lap. 1.00

01:06:13.000 But then your balls get really warm, and they say it kills sperm. 0.99

01:06:16.000 So it depends on what you're trying to accomplish. 0.99

01:06:18.000 Hmm.

01:06:19.000 For some people, they'd be just heating them babies up all the time. 1.00

01:06:22.000 If it was a long flight, I might want to kill a few just to take the pressure off. 0.94

01:06:27.000 Just to relax. 0.66

01:06:30.000 My friend Ari Shafir always gets mad at that, too, if people lean back on him because he's so big.

01:06:35.000 He's like 6'3 or something, 6'4". 0.85

01:06:38.000 He's super tall, so he's got these goofy-ass stork legs, and he can't fit them under the seat anyway. 0.94

01:06:43.000 God, I feel sorry for tall people. 0.93

01:06:46.000 Anytime they try to travel anywhere outside their own house.

01:06:49.000 Even in cars, you know, you get in someone's car sometimes and your legs are jammed up. 0.98

01:06:52.000 I'm like, I'm fucking 5'8 and my legs are jammed up. 0.93

01:06:55.000 What does a giant person do? 0.98

01:06:56.000 Yeah, I'm trying to think, like, what would be my equivalent?

01:06:59.000 Like, how small would a car have to be so I can feel like what a shack feels like when he gets in a car?

01:07:04.000 He has to take seats out and put seats in the back.

01:07:07.000 Have you ever seen what they do to cars for him?

01:07:09.000 Really?

01:07:10.000 Yeah, he's had some custom-made cars where they literally take the seat out of the front and install it in the back.

01:07:16.000 Because, I mean, that's not that much.

01:07:17.000 Look, you know, you think about it.

01:07:19.000 He's seven feet tall.

01:07:20.000 So just think about how much more length you're dealing with.

01:07:25.000 His arms, his legs, and then the height.

01:07:28.000 Like, I bet they would have to lower the seat down so he could see better out of the windshield.

01:07:31.000 Otherwise, he has to kind of bend down every time he's driving.

01:07:34.000 I just have this vision of him with a Miata and sitting in the trunk.

01:07:38.000 I don't know.

01:07:41.000 I bet he can't drive a Miata.

01:07:42.000 I bet he can't.

01:07:43.000 I bet there's no way that seat can get far enough back.

01:07:46.000 You just strap one to each foot and skate it.

01:07:50.000 Well, what he could do is just have the steering wheel.

01:07:52.000 He's so rich.

01:07:53.000 He could have the steering wheel put in the middle and then push everything back.

01:07:57.000 No.

01:07:57.000 Forget that idea.

01:07:59.000 But I know for sure they had one of those custom TV shows, custom car shows where they do things for people.

01:08:05.000 Maybe it was Westside.

01:08:06.000 What is that one show?

01:08:07.000 West Coast?

01:08:09.000 West Coast?

01:08:10.000 West Coast Customs?

01:08:11.000 Maybe it's that.

01:08:12.000 One famous company.

01:08:13.000 So they took a car and they put the seat in the back for them.

01:08:17.000 Probably still needed extra room.

01:08:19.000 It sounds like something that you do for TV. Yeah.

01:08:22.000 We've got to put the seat in the back.

01:08:23.000 Maybe.

01:08:24.000 Because I've got a feeling he drives regular cars somehow.

01:08:28.000 Maybe.

01:08:28.000 There's probably some cars that he can't drive, though.

01:08:30.000 Like one of those old Porsches?

01:08:32.000 Little tiny ones?

01:08:33.000 Probably most, I would think.

01:08:35.000 Yeah.

01:08:36.000 Anyway, point being, where'd we...

01:08:38.000 Oh.

01:08:38.000 It's terrible to be a tall guy.

01:08:39.000 Bruce Jenner leaned back and fucked up your day. 0.99

01:08:41.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:08:42.000 Yeah.

01:08:42.000 It all went bad from there.

01:08:44.000 You know, and look, there's nothing...

01:08:46.000 I mean, he's not a terrible person.

01:08:48.000 She's not a terrible person.

01:08:49.000 He's not the worst human in the world.

01:08:51.000 It's just like, when this gets paraded out as being this very important point...

01:08:56.000 Well, as soon as it gets paraded out and you make a big deal and you want to go on all these talk shows, you want to talk about yourself, well, they have to examine you as an actual person and not just stop at gender.

01:09:06.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:09:08.000 There's a lot of representatives.

01:09:10.000 For instance, the woman who created Sirius Satellite Radio and also I believe she invented GPS. She was born a man and had a sex change. 0.95

01:09:24.000 And I met with her and had an interview with her about her...

01:09:28.000 She made a robot. 1.00

01:09:30.000 She's super fucking smart. 1.00

01:09:32.000 Like crazy smart. 1.00

01:09:34.000 And is working on artificial intelligence and programming this woman... 1.00

01:09:38.000 Like it's a head of her wife, Bina. 0.95

01:09:43.000 Like she married her when she was a man and then became a woman. 0.81

01:09:45.000 They stayed together.

01:09:46.000 And Bina is like this artificial intelligence thing that she's consistently updating. 0.95

01:09:52.000 As technology gets better, she updates it and gets it more and more intense.

01:09:56.000 If you want to focus on someone who's a transgender person, maybe that would be a good example.

01:10:01.000 Instead of just concentrating on a guy who used to be really good at running and now lived with a bunch of materialists on a reality show.

01:10:09.000 Not just running, but a combination of skills which have no purpose in real life.

01:10:15.000 Yeah, I mean, no one's really into the decathlon.

01:10:17.000 Sorry. 0.95

01:10:18.000 I'm sure he's awesome, but nobody gives a fuck. 0.91

01:10:20.000 That's why you don't... 0.95

01:10:20.000 Any of those sports where there's no professional side of it, there's probably a reason for that. 0.95

01:10:26.000 I say that, but then that's not true because of wrestling.

01:10:28.000 I think wrestling's a great sport.

01:10:30.000 It doesn't have a professional...

01:10:32.000 You know, other than like fake wrestling.

01:10:34.000 Do you ever think about how weird it is that people can get invested in like a team?

01:10:39.000 Yes.

01:10:40.000 Like, why?

01:10:41.000 Why do you care so much about your team?

01:10:43.000 I think about that all the time.

01:10:45.000 I'm constantly...

01:10:46.000 Really?

01:10:46.000 Yes, all the time.

01:10:47.000 We talk about it all the time.

01:10:48.000 It's a tribal thing.

01:10:50.000 People love being in a group.

01:10:51.000 They like being on Team Trump.

01:10:52.000 They like being on Team Hillary, you know?

01:10:55.000 I was watching so much tribal behavior leading down, like arguments between people on Twitter. 0.98

01:11:03.000 It's like, you guys are crazy.

01:11:06.000 Like, what are you doing? 0.99

01:11:07.000 You're arguing with people you don't even know.

01:11:09.000 And I look at their timeline.

01:11:10.000 I'll look at their timeline.

01:11:11.000 They're arguing for seven, eight hours in a row.

01:11:13.000 You could be doing so much to improve your life instead of insulting Hillary supporters or insulting Trump supporters.

01:11:21.000 It's a weird, natural thing.

01:11:23.000 People join teams.

01:11:25.000 They join tribes.

01:11:26.000 They have groups that they like.

01:11:28.000 But it makes sense when you're looking at, say, your ethnicity, because probably biologically we're primed to prefer whatever looks like us, right?

01:11:37.000 You're just naturally primed for that.

01:11:39.000 Do you think that's true?

01:11:40.000 Explain black eyes and Asian chicks. 1.00

01:11:42.000 Ready?

01:11:42.000 Go.

01:11:44.000 I'm done.

01:11:45.000 I'm out.

01:11:45.000 It's over.

01:11:46.000 I'm out.

01:11:46.000 It's over.

01:11:47.000 No, but in general.

01:11:52.000 Anyway, so it makes sense if you're looking at, like, big groups or a country or something.

01:11:57.000 But a sports team is such a random collection of rules that why you could be emotionally invested in that.

01:12:04.000 I've tried because it seems like such cheap entertainment.

01:12:07.000 I want to.

01:12:08.000 You live a wonderful life Scott Adams.

01:12:10.000 You're a wealthy successful man and For some people there's not a whole lot to look forward to and this is not obviously I'm not using a broad blanket to paint all sports fans But I think that there's a lot of people out there that look to the success of their team and they get happiness or sadness from that and if you're in a team like if you're in Cleveland and And they kick ass and win the world title.

01:12:34.000 I mean, they have the world heavyweight champion.

01:12:35.000 The UFC lives in Cleveland, too.

01:12:37.000 Like, you get some Cleveland pride, you know?

01:12:39.000 Well, that almost works until you consider that there are, like, Raiders fans.

01:12:46.000 Right.

01:12:47.000 Like, they just keep losing and losing.

01:12:48.000 Raiders is a different thing, though.

01:12:50.000 And they've got to be thinking, this will not make me feel good at the end of the year.

01:12:53.000 Yeah, but Raiders is like, I'm a badass.

01:12:56.000 Raiders is a weird one.

01:12:57.000 Because Raiders is like rap music. 0.76

01:12:59.000 I'm a thug. 0.99

01:13:00.000 You know, I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:13:01.000 I'm a Raiders fan. 0.99

01:13:02.000 It's a different thing.

01:13:03.000 Raiders is a...

01:13:04.000 That's a whole different animal.

01:13:05.000 And then the Cubs fan...

01:13:07.000 Cubs fans up until this year were like the loyal...

01:13:11.000 Hey, I'm not really in it for the wins.

01:13:13.000 I just love the Cubs.

01:13:14.000 Meanwhile, the Cubs are new every year. 1.00

01:13:16.000 It's a different fucking person. 1.00

01:13:17.000 Right. 1.00

01:13:17.000 Yeah, that's what's crazy. 1.00

01:13:19.000 It's a totally different group of humans than the Cubs from five years ago.

01:13:22.000 How could you love the Cubs?

01:13:23.000 These aren't even the same people.

01:13:24.000 Yeah, and then the team can just go to another town.

01:13:27.000 It's nuts! 1.00

01:13:27.000 Yeah, it's fucking nuts. 1.00

01:13:29.000 Like the LA Rams. 0.99

01:13:30.000 How'd we get the Rams? 0.99

01:13:31.000 What the fuck happened? 0.98

01:13:31.000 What are we doing here? 0.98

01:13:32.000 And then what's going to happen to the Raiders?

01:13:34.000 Are they going to go to Vegas now?

01:13:35.000 Are the Raiders fans going to follow them over to Vegas?

01:13:38.000 You know, sometimes they don't.

01:13:40.000 Sometimes people get mad.

01:13:41.000 Teams leave and they get pissed off.

01:13:43.000 Vegas seems like a good fit, though, doesn't it?

01:13:45.000 Yeah, but it was all created because I mean all sports teams in this country essentially were a response to war being over and people thinking with real good reason that men at least Need war.

01:14:02.000 They need some form of war to develop character and to build strong, definitive nations.

01:14:11.000 Almost need to unite and bond with war. 0.58

01:14:14.000 And the concept was, well, if we can't do that, let's figure out some sort of a game that they can play.

01:14:20.000 And that's where football emerged.

01:14:21.000 Well, do you think that was conscious, or it's just that?

01:14:23.000 Well, it was conscious, yeah.

01:14:24.000 No, it was actually discussed.

01:14:27.000 Like, it's been discussed, and there's been a lot of historians that have concentrated on leaders that have talked about the importance of conflict, the importance of war, and the bringing the country together, and the support of nationalism,

01:14:42.000 the support of loyalty and honor and pride.

01:14:45.000 Like, all that, a lot of it has to be connected with consequence and loss.

01:14:49.000 Hmm.

01:14:50.000 Yeah.

01:14:51.000 I like that line of thinking.

01:14:52.000 Well, there was a Radiolab podcast about when they invented football that went into this pretty much in depth.

01:14:59.000 Goddammit, I think it was Radiolab.

01:15:01.000 I'm pretty sure it was.

01:15:02.000 It was either...

01:15:02.000 I don't know how else it could have been.

01:15:05.000 But it went into it pretty in depth about the creation of football and how it was originally put together.

01:15:12.000 So that would explain why sports that are just clearly dangerous...

01:15:17.000 Are still legal and popular.

01:15:20.000 Is that it, Jamie?

01:15:21.000 Yeah.

01:15:22.000 That's it.

01:15:22.000 American football.

01:15:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:24.000 Make that a little larger for my shitty eyes. 0.99

01:15:27.000 Scroll up there. 0.99

01:15:28.000 Yeah.

01:15:29.000 Okay, 1879. Yeah, that's right.

01:15:31.000 It was made in the Carlisle Indian School, formed in 1879 to assimilate children and the grandchildren of Native Americans who fought in the Plains Wars.

01:15:39.000 Fields the most American team of all. 1.00

01:15:41.000 Yeah, this was about these American Indians that were fucking kicking ass playing football. 1.00

01:15:47.000 There was another one that said the ghost of football past. 1.00

01:15:51.000 That could be what you're talking about.

01:15:52.000 Maybe.

01:15:52.000 This was the one that was about this American Indian team that was really interesting.

01:15:56.000 So football was invented by Native Americans?

01:16:00.000 No, no, no, no.

01:16:00.000 There was just one badass team.

01:16:02.000 Here it is right here.

01:16:04.000 End of the 19th century.

01:16:05.000 The Civil War was over.

01:16:06.000 Frontier was dead.

01:16:07.000 Young college men are anxious.

01:16:08.000 This is it.

01:16:09.000 What great struggle will test their character?

01:16:11.000 Then along comes a new craze.

01:16:12.000 Football.

01:16:13.000 A brutally violent game where young men show a stadium full of fans just what they're made of.

01:16:17.000 Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn.

01:16:19.000 The sons of the most powerful men in the country are literally knocking themselves out to win these gladiatorial battles.

01:16:24.000 So that's when it came up. 0.99

01:16:25.000 And then the Carlisle Indian School, they were beating the fuck out all the white dudes. 0.99

01:16:32.000 Surprise! 0.99

01:16:35.000 Yeah, interesting.

01:16:37.000 Yeah, I think and then I forget I think they all assimilated.

01:16:41.000 I forget.

01:16:41.000 A lot of the rules came because the Indians kept beating everyone.

01:16:45.000 They said, okay, make it a new rule and they do it.

01:16:47.000 All right, we're gonna change this and beat you again. 0.88

01:16:50.000 Native Americans need to make a comeback.

01:16:53.000 They had a lot of cool ideas. 0.99

01:16:55.000 I think we fucked them over by giving them casinos. 0.86

01:16:58.000 We made all their towns Vegas. 1.00

01:17:00.000 I've got a small amount of Native American in me.

01:17:03.000 Can you get money?

01:17:04.000 Not a profitable amount.

01:17:05.000 What do you need, like 16% to get money?

01:17:07.000 You need like a certain amount and you can get some cash.

01:17:10.000 I think it's even maybe less than that.

01:17:12.000 Really?

01:17:13.000 Or to qualify for whatever.

01:17:15.000 I'll have to look into that.

01:17:16.000 It might be the worst thing you could do to some people.

01:17:19.000 Just tuck them away on this little patch of land, isolate them from everybody else, and they're watching the rest of the world change around them in some sort of a strange way.

01:17:28.000 And they're Americans, but they're not. 0.99

01:17:30.000 They're in some sort of a weird territory that they have ultimate control over and they start having gambling there and doing whatever the fuck they want. 0.98

01:17:39.000 Very strange.

01:17:40.000 But in some ways, what were the other options at the time other than giving them territory?

01:17:46.000 Probably pretty ugly options, I'm sure.

01:17:49.000 It's dark.

01:17:50.000 You really stop and think about the genocide of the Native Americans in this country and how rarely that comes up.

01:17:55.000 And there's no flag, which is really interesting when you, you know, obviously there are some flags for some nations, but I mean, there's no one thing that represents our war with them.

01:18:03.000 That's no offensive symbol other than like a few sports teams, right?

01:18:07.000 Like the Redskins or the Braves.

01:18:09.000 Or both my high school and college were both the warriors.

01:18:14.000 Warriors is not specific to a nationality or ethnicity.

01:18:19.000 Well, the logo was.

01:18:19.000 Logo was, yeah.

01:18:21.000 Yeah, it's weird, man.

01:18:23.000 It's real weird.

01:18:24.000 The fact that it was only a couple of hundred years ago is really weird.

01:18:29.000 It's a blink of an eye.

01:18:31.000 How long do you think people are going to live now?

01:18:33.000 It's a good question.

01:18:35.000 Because I'm thinking I'm good for a hundred at least.

01:18:37.000 Oh, okay.

01:18:39.000 You personally?

01:18:40.000 Yeah, I think you're probably, you look healthy.

01:18:41.000 But a kid born today?

01:18:43.000 A thousand years old.

01:18:44.000 They're going to be able to read minds?

01:18:45.000 Well, it depends also upon what a person becomes, because I have a feeling they're going to come up with legs that are artificial that work way better than your real legs.

01:18:53.000 Like, I have a bunch of friends that have, like, fake hips or fake knees or, you know, they've had surgery and they've had a bunch of stuff fixed.

01:19:01.000 I know a lot of people that have had hip replacements, like maybe a dozen.

01:19:05.000 So I've figured out that if I create enough public information about me, you know, there are enough times I'm recorded, like I'm being right now, Enough of my writing is in the public.

01:19:18.000 There's no video of me that after I die I could be recreated in software almost in full because you would have my Everything from my personality my sense of humor my choice of words So some future program could just go to the internet Google my name and take all those sources and bring together an actual physical hologram that walks and talks like me 100 years after I'm dead and Well,

01:19:44.000 Jamie, you were just telling me about some software that they've developed that you can take someone's...

01:19:49.000 Someone can say, like, I could make a statement.

01:19:53.000 Scott Adams is a really cool guy, and I always love hanging out with him.

01:19:55.000 And they can move the words all over the place, where it's a jumbled sentence and it doesn't make any sense, and then change the inflection, and it sounds perfect.

01:20:04.000 Like, listen to this.

01:20:05.000 We'll play some of it here.

01:20:06.000 It's called Adobe Voca.

01:20:07.000 I'll see if I can get this.

01:20:08.000 Okay.

01:20:10.000 And...

01:20:11.000 And I kissed my wife and my dogs.

01:20:16.000 Where are the dogs?

01:20:20.000 Okay, how can we let the dogs out?

01:20:23.000 This might not be a great example of it.

01:20:25.000 Those are terrible.

01:20:26.000 Yeah, it's like a five minute video where they should think he's called like Photoshop for for audio.

01:20:30.000 Oh, it's like it's manipulating audio in a way that people aren't used to or have even seen up until they've just shown this kind of demonstration.

01:20:38.000 So the point being, if you could automate this, if you could put this inside some sort of an artificial intelligence structure that knew when to inflect, when to have a question, when to...

01:20:49.000 Or maybe you would be a tech guy and you're talking upspeak.

01:20:51.000 You know what upspeak is? 0.97

01:20:53.000 I love upspeak because it's so fucking... 0.92

01:20:55.000 It's this weird thing that these tech dorks do, where they sort of talk in this really weird and predictable way, and they all do it, and basically it makes you seem like you're sensitive and intelligent and on the ball, and it's a weird fucking little sneaky thing that some of these tech guys do, 0.97

01:21:12.000 where it takes you a while to go, oh, you're not smart at all. 0.99

01:21:15.000 You're fucking crazy, but you talk in upspeak. 1.00

01:21:18.000 You know, they've decided to take on the persona of a tech person. 1.00

01:21:23.000 Someone who's really into...

01:21:24.000 I believe in Android.

01:21:26.000 Android's the future.

01:21:27.000 And they start...

01:21:28.000 They have this weird thing that they do.

01:21:30.000 At the end of each sentence, they go up.

01:21:32.000 I'm not sure that exists outside of...

01:21:35.000 Los Angeles or California?

01:21:37.000 Silicon Valley.

01:21:37.000 It's huge in Silicon Valley.

01:21:38.000 I think it's more prevalent in Northern California than it is in Southern California.

01:21:43.000 It's almost like they're halfway like an NPR sort of radio personality, halfway that, and halfway a strip club DJ. It's like they have this thing going on where it's a fake voice and they're talking about technology.

01:21:58.000 That's all I'm going to hear now.

01:21:59.000 Now I'm going to hear that.

01:22:01.000 Oh, you'll hear it.

01:22:01.000 I'll give you some audio of people.

01:22:04.000 There's a bunch of people that speak, and it is an accent the same way a New York accent or a Boston accent is.

01:22:10.000 Like, you can recognize, oh, that's a tech dork.

01:22:13.000 Like, it's a non-original tech person who's speaking in this weird...

01:22:17.000 You want people to understand that you're a tech person.

01:22:20.000 So you're speaking in a...

01:22:21.000 It's literally a tech accent.

01:22:25.000 I might try that.

01:22:28.000 It's really fascinating.

01:22:29.000 Women can do it too. 1.00

01:22:31.000 It's super important.

01:22:33.000 You know like there's a almost a woman up speak that you'll see occasionally on daytime talk shows Where like a bunch of women will sit around and they'll be on a show and the woman or it's all audience the women's The audience is all women and there's all women on the panel and then they're cooking or they're talking about clothes and what the women's up speak is Sentences don't end.

01:22:57.000 They just sort of stop talking Do you ever know somebody who didn't have any way to end a story?

01:23:03.000 Yes.

01:23:03.000 And they would talk forever?

01:23:04.000 They just keep going.

01:23:05.000 And then during the time of early cell phones, when one person was talking, the other person couldn't talk?

01:23:11.000 You didn't realize it all the time, but it really was one-way communication.

01:23:15.000 And somebody would start, and I would start yelling into the phone, Stop!

01:23:19.000 Stop talking!

01:23:21.000 Bang, bang, bang. 0.89

01:23:23.000 Let me in!

01:23:24.000 Let me in!

01:23:25.000 Well, what I mean by sentences don't ever end, it's not that they stop talking, but that they don't have it.

01:23:30.000 Like, if I said to you, hey, Scott, it's three o'clock, we should probably wrap this up in about an hour.

01:23:36.000 Instead of that, they would say, hey, Scott, it's 3 o'clock.

01:23:39.000 We should probably wrap this up in about an hour.

01:23:41.000 And then they just keep going.

01:23:44.000 And then someone else chimes in.

01:23:45.000 What about 4 o'clock?

01:23:46.000 Is 4 o'clock a good time?

01:23:48.000 4 o'clock's a good time.

01:23:49.000 5 o'clock's a good time.

01:23:50.000 6 o'clock's a good time.

01:23:52.000 What about 7?

01:23:53.000 Can we do it at 7?

01:23:54.000 7 is fine.

01:23:55.000 We can definitely keep going.

01:23:57.000 And there's no...

01:23:59.000 End.

01:23:59.000 There's no, this is my laptop, my laptop is black.

01:24:03.000 Do they hear it themselves?

01:24:04.000 They love it.

01:24:05.000 They love to talk.

01:24:06.000 Women get together. 1.00

01:24:07.000 Do you think that if you meet somebody who has heard this podcast, and they talk like that normally, would they be unable to talk to you?

01:24:14.000 No.

01:24:15.000 Because they'd be too self-conscious.

01:24:16.000 No, they'd be fine. 1.00

01:24:17.000 They'd say, he's a dick. 0.99

01:24:18.000 And also, I didn't do such a good example. 0.99

01:24:20.000 I think that's what they say. 1.00

01:24:21.000 I think he's a dick. 0.99

01:24:23.000 I didn't give the best example of it either. 0.99

01:24:25.000 But I think what it is, is that's how they enjoy talking.

01:24:28.000 I think they've had to edit their conversations because men get tired quicker.

01:24:33.000 We just don't want to talk as much about certain stuff.

01:24:35.000 Like, Jesus Christ, get on with the story.

01:24:37.000 Finish it.

01:24:38.000 When does the story end?

01:24:40.000 But women get together. 1.00

01:24:41.000 They love it.

01:24:42.000 They can just keep going.

01:24:43.000 A lot of them can at least.

01:24:44.000 You're reminding me of the worst advice anybody ever gave is be natural.

01:24:49.000 Be yourself.

01:24:50.000 Because what the hell does that mean?

01:24:52.000 Who are you? 1.00

01:24:53.000 If I were myself, I'd be like, you know, sitting here naked, masturbating. 1.00

01:24:57.000 Really? 0.99

01:24:58.000 Well, maybe not right here, but that was a terrible example.

01:25:02.000 Sometimes that would be you.

01:25:04.000 Let's go back.

01:25:04.000 Get rid of that.

01:25:05.000 But that would be you sometimes, right?

01:25:07.000 And that is yourself.

01:25:09.000 But it's like yourself varies depending upon your company, depending upon the environment, depending upon the circumstances.

01:25:15.000 We're all acting all the time.

01:25:17.000 We're adapting to every situation.

01:25:19.000 Yeah, and you also want to be different sometimes.

01:25:22.000 So it's not even necessarily an act. 0.98

01:25:23.000 It's like, you know, someone says, hey, Scott, show me that fucking crazy handstand you do. 0.96

01:25:28.000 You're like, really, that's not me right now. 0.99

01:25:30.000 Right?

01:25:31.000 Right.

01:25:32.000 Yeah.

01:25:32.000 We're always adapting to the situation.

01:25:34.000 Yeah, but there's women that are like men, too, in that way. 1.00

01:25:36.000 The women want other women to shut the fuck up, and they want men to shut the fuck up, too. 1.00

01:25:40.000 They're like, God damn these people with their long-ass boring stories. 1.00

01:25:43.000 It's not necessarily gender-specific, but it seems to be like women on talk shows during the day that are cooking. 0.99

01:25:50.000 Do you ever have people who can't tell when they've gone on too long?

01:25:54.000 Yes.

01:25:55.000 Maybe me right there.

01:25:57.000 And you look at them and you think, do they not know I'm giving all the signals of stop?

01:26:04.000 In the corporate world, you'd always have a pen in your hand.

01:26:09.000 If somebody came into your cubicle and you wanted to leave, you wouldn't put the pen down.

01:26:13.000 So you'd turn toward them, but you'd keep the pen in your hand.

01:26:17.000 Right.

01:26:17.000 And to signal them that you were there for them, you'd put it down and you'd turn toward them.

01:26:21.000 But if you turned with just the pen, and I'd be like, dude, the pen?

01:26:26.000 Do you not see this pen still in my hand?

01:26:29.000 There's a weird thing that people do to you if you're on the phone.

01:26:31.000 Well, you're on your cell phone.

01:26:32.000 They will come up to you because the physical presence trumps whatever you got going on digitally.

01:26:39.000 Right.

01:26:39.000 So, like, you're on the phone.

01:26:41.000 You might be having a really important conversation.

01:26:42.000 Someone goes, hey, man, Scott Adams.

01:26:44.000 Hey, how you doing, man?

01:26:45.000 And you're like, hey, I'm on the phone.

01:26:46.000 Hey, I just want to tell you I really love Dilbert. 1.00

01:26:48.000 Why are you still talking, you fuck? 1.00

01:26:50.000 You know I'm in the middle of another conversation. 1.00

01:26:52.000 You've decided this person isn't here. 1.00

01:26:54.000 Fuck them. 1.00

01:26:54.000 You say, I want your attention. 1.00

01:26:56.000 I'm right in front of you.

01:26:57.000 I can touch you, Scott Adams.

01:26:58.000 Dilbert's my hero.

01:26:59.000 I love you.

01:27:00.000 And behold your shoulder.

01:27:01.000 But, you know, you get the celebrity thing that I don't get because I'm invisible.

01:27:06.000 Like you're visual.

01:27:07.000 You're visual?

01:27:08.000 You're on Periscope.

01:27:09.000 I knew exactly what you look like.

01:27:10.000 You and 7,000 people on Earth.

01:27:13.000 I think it's more.

01:27:14.000 I think they're shadow banning you.

01:27:16.000 I like that term.

01:27:20.000 We found out.

01:27:20.000 We were talking about that the other day.

01:27:22.000 Hillary for prison. 0.99

01:27:23.000 Remember when we were saying rape Melania was actually a hashtag, but Hillary for prison wasn't? 1.00

01:27:27.000 That's not what people were saying.

01:27:28.000 What people were saying was they were shadow banning that Hillary for prison hashtag.

01:27:33.000 Meaning if you put hashtag Hillary for prison, someone could search it and find it, but if you put it, it wouldn't show up in other people's feeds.

01:27:39.000 I don't know if that's true though.

01:27:41.000 Has that been proven?

01:27:43.000 I'm having a real tough time with what's proven because lots of people are sending me my own stuff and saying, here's proof that you have been shadow banned because look at this page compared to this page.

01:27:54.000 And I always look at them and I go, I'm not really a lawyer.

01:27:57.000 I can't tell.

01:27:58.000 Here's how you find out.

01:27:59.000 Very simple.

01:28:00.000 You're a wealthy man.

01:28:01.000 You have two laptops.

01:28:02.000 You make a second Twitter account.

01:28:04.000 Don't use it for nefarious reasons. 1.00

01:28:06.000 Don't get on and start shitting on people under egg 59 or whatever the fuck you would call it. 0.99

01:28:10.000 But you start a laptop, you follow you. 1.00

01:28:13.000 You follow a few other people just for a goof, and then you sit there and you watch your timeline.

01:28:17.000 Well, no, I do know that people are not getting my stuff.

01:28:21.000 But here's the thing.

01:28:21.000 You could find out yourself.

01:28:23.000 You could tweet from another computer as Scott Adams says.

01:28:27.000 So you do Scott Adams says.

01:28:28.000 You're following you on another computer that's in a different account.

01:28:32.000 And you watch.

01:28:33.000 I know what you're saying.

01:28:33.000 Have you done that?

01:28:34.000 No, but I'm saying that other people have done that, and they send me the screenshots.

01:28:39.000 People are crazy.

01:28:40.000 They just want to talk to you, Scott. 0.90

01:28:41.000 They want to be your friend.

01:28:42.000 They want to talk to you when you're on your cell phone.

01:28:44.000 Hey, man, I love Gilbert.

01:28:45.000 Who are you talking to? 1.00

01:28:46.000 Fuck it. 1.00

01:28:47.000 I'm right here, man. 1.00

01:28:49.000 Why didn't you try it yourself?

01:28:52.000 I guess I wasn't that curious.

01:28:54.000 Come on, man.

01:28:55.000 You talked about it.

01:28:56.000 You have to be curious.

01:28:57.000 I kind of like being shadowbanned.

01:28:58.000 Do you like being shadowbanned, or do you like the idea of you being shadowbanned without definitive proof that you're shadowbanned?

01:29:03.000 I like the thought that I might be so dangerous to the minds of America that there's a major corporation who's actually making a conscious decision, saying, whew, America has had a little bit too much of this guy.

01:29:17.000 Let's dial him back a little bit.

01:29:19.000 Well, if Twitter didn't have a history of banning people, you know, like the Milo thing, Milo Yiannopoulos, that was a big mistake.

01:29:29.000 Oof.

01:29:30.000 Big mistake.

01:29:31.000 Because they didn't ban him for anything that you could put your finger on.

01:29:34.000 They banned him for influence and other people were saying mean things.

01:29:37.000 But you looked at the stuff that he actually said.

01:29:40.000 Man, you can't ban him for that.

01:29:41.000 That's just not fair.

01:29:43.000 Well, certainly not compared to everything else that's on Twitter.

01:29:47.000 Not even compared to things that Leslie Jones wrote.

01:29:50.000 I mean, the person that he was supposedly attacking and what he was doing was he was targeting a piece of art and he critiqued it very harshly.

01:29:59.000 But that's what he does.

01:30:00.000 He's very wise with his choice of words. 0.99

01:30:03.000 He's very snippy and bitchy. 0.98

01:30:05.000 And that's his persona. 0.98

01:30:06.000 That's what he's put together.

01:30:08.000 He's a lovely guy.

01:30:09.000 Like, I've had him on the podcast a couple times.

01:30:11.000 I enjoy his company.

01:30:12.000 He's a fun guy. 0.99

01:30:13.000 But goddamn, do people get pissed off at him. 0.98

01:30:16.000 It's kind of hilarious. 0.98

01:30:18.000 And so when that whole thing went down with the Leslie Jones thing, I absolutely didn't agree with all the people that were being mean and insulting to Leslie, but that's kind of what happens if you put yourself out there with a piece of art, right, that people don't like.

01:30:32.000 And all he did was say that they were all ugly. 0.84

01:30:35.000 You know, he was saying that it's a bad feminist film because all the men are buffoons and all the women are saving the world. 0.99

01:30:41.000 And he's like, it's preposterous. 1.00

01:30:43.000 It sucks. 0.99

01:30:43.000 It's not good. 0.99

01:30:44.000 And the women are all gross. 1.00

01:30:45.000 And that's what he said. 0.99

01:30:46.000 And, you know, for that.

01:30:48.000 Was it the last part that was all the trouble?

01:30:51.000 Well, I mean, the fact that he was saying they were unattractive, he was saying that not just to be bitchy, but also in a point.

01:30:57.000 He made a point.

01:30:58.000 He's like, they've decidedly picked people that were unattractive to make this sort of feminist point, that these overweight women can save the world. 1.00

01:31:06.000 That they're the ones who are going to, like, they're targeting, and that's why all the men are buffoons. 0.96

01:31:11.000 It's sort of revenge.

01:31:13.000 Like, the idea being, if you wanted to look at it broadly, the idea being that these are the type of women that the guy like the Thor dude, what's his name?

01:31:20.000 The guy who was in that movie?

01:31:21.000 The really handsome fellow that plays Thor?

01:31:23.000 Chris?

01:31:24.000 What's his name?

01:31:25.000 No, Chris is super...

01:31:26.000 Oh, no.

01:31:27.000 Captain America.

01:31:28.000 Liam Hemsworth?

01:31:29.000 Is that the guy?

01:31:29.000 Oh, Hemsworth.

01:31:30.000 Hemsworth.

01:31:30.000 Chris Hemsworth, right?

01:31:31.000 It's one of them.

01:31:32.000 Am I right?

01:31:33.000 Or is it Chris the guy who plays Captain America?

01:31:35.000 It's Hemsworth.

01:31:36.000 Let's just call him Thor.

01:31:37.000 Okay.

01:31:38.000 Thor's impossibly beautiful.

01:31:39.000 He's a beautiful man.

01:31:40.000 He's super handsome. 0.99

01:31:41.000 Big, fucking perfect body. 1.00

01:31:43.000 And of course, in this movie, he's a fucking moron. 1.00

01:31:46.000 I mean, he is the dumbest guy that's ever walked the face of the planet. 1.00

01:31:49.000 He's preposterously dumb. 1.00

01:31:50.000 And then becomes the villain at the end. 1.00

01:31:52.000 So he represents this unattainable goal of having this gigantic, beautiful man be attracted to you. 0.99

01:31:59.000 So they've turned him into this complete retard. 1.00

01:32:02.000 Like if this was a woman in a movie It would be one of the most offensive portrayals of a woman ever and I'm sure it's been done I'm sure it's been done right especially like in the old days like I mean there was how many fucking dopey secretary roles were there in the world, right? 0.98

01:32:15.000 So he was that the male caricature of that But there's not a single other male in the movie that wasn't a complete buffoon Every male is a failure and ultimately gets killed and dies Every woman saves the day and this was Milo's point So in most forms of entertainment, 0.99

01:32:32.000 you need the dumb one and the smart one. 0.99

01:32:34.000 There's always going to be that contrast. 0.99

01:32:36.000 And in earlier times, there were other people you could poke fun at, and society would say, oh yeah, we make fun of that. 0.98

01:32:43.000 And the wife was the dumb one in the 50s. 1.00

01:32:48.000 And now some of it is just what target can you get away with? 0.99

01:32:53.000 So there's a little bit of that.

01:32:54.000 It's like, you know, who's a soft target?

01:32:56.000 Nobody's going to complain.

01:32:57.000 And men are the, you know, the current target. 0.99

01:33:00.000 If you look at commercials, almost all the commercials are the woman is the smart one and the man did something stupid that she had to fix. 0.99

01:33:09.000 Every sitcom. 0.99

01:33:10.000 Every sitcom.

01:33:10.000 But I mean, even in the 50s, that was the case.

01:33:12.000 Like the Honeymooners. 1.00

01:33:14.000 Ralph Cramden was a fucking moron. 1.00

01:33:16.000 His wife is the one who's always keeping him calm, right? 1.00

01:33:18.000 He was always, to the moon, Alice!

01:33:20.000 He was threatening to beat her, right? 1.00

01:33:22.000 And his buddy, his buddy was this fucking idiot, too. 1.00

01:33:24.000 And his buddy's wife was keeping him in line. 1.00

01:33:27.000 Yeah, that was true for the honeymooners.

01:33:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:33:29.000 I mean, any couple's sort of comedy, the man is a buffoon. 0.99

01:33:33.000 Married with children, Peg's always wanting sex, Al's just all fucked up, he's trying to get away from her, he hates his life, everything falls apart on him, his daughter's acting like a little hussy, right? 1.00

01:33:44.000 I mean, that's the whole thing. 1.00

01:33:45.000 This poor guy, his life's falling apart.

01:33:47.000 The guy's never okay. 0.99

01:33:49.000 All those movies, the guy's a buffoon. 1.00

01:33:51.000 All those sitcoms, the guy's a buffoon. 0.99

01:33:53.000 That's what people like to see. 0.98

01:33:55.000 Yeah.

01:33:56.000 But, you know, I'm looking at Elvis right behind you.

01:33:59.000 That's a different animal, baby.

01:34:01.000 Yeah.

01:34:01.000 Come on.

01:34:01.000 I mean, so there were a lot of movies where it was, you know, Frank Sinatra.

01:34:05.000 Charles Bronson.

01:34:06.000 Maybe you have to go back further where the man was the competent one and the woman was always losing her high heel. 1.00

01:34:12.000 Oh, there's plenty of movies like that. 0.96

01:34:13.000 But in sitcoms, in the sitcom world, in the comedy world, it's pretty much always the man's a buffoon. 0.69

01:34:19.000 Yeah, I think that's fair to say. 0.55

01:34:20.000 For a lot.

01:34:21.000 You know, King of Queens is another one. 0.99

01:34:23.000 Kevin James is always ridiculous. 0.99

01:34:25.000 His wife always had to figure everything out. 1.00

01:34:27.000 He was ridiculous, but how did he get this hot wife? 0.99

01:34:31.000 Because he's on TV. He's on TV. I mean, this is... 1.00

01:34:36.000 I mean, we're going back to the Twitter thing.

01:34:39.000 This is the problem with censoring people, is that if you don't like what they stand for.

01:34:45.000 You know, you're not really...

01:34:46.000 Like, they were looking for the reason to pull the plug on him.

01:34:52.000 Yeah.

01:35:07.000 Yeah.

01:35:12.000 And the idea that she's doing it in revenge for someone coming after her, I understand.

01:35:17.000 But in the position that she's at, like, she's a huge celebrity for her to actively say, go get this person.

01:35:23.000 Like, that is the clearest example you're ever going to see of targeted harassment.

01:35:26.000 So if that doesn't get punished in any way, shape or form, like, you got to say, well, why?

01:35:32.000 Is it because she's female? 1.00

01:35:33.000 Is it because she's black? 0.91

01:35:34.000 Is it a combination of those things?

01:35:35.000 Is it because she represents what you think is, like, liberal, progressive mindset?

01:35:41.000 And then he represents this alt-right that people are terrified of and hate.

01:35:45.000 He represents the Gamergate, which gave birth to the alt-right. 0.99

01:35:49.000 Like, Gamergate allowed people to realize, like, hey, there's actually some intelligent people that are tired of all this bullshit that these feminists are trying to push down our throats. 1.00

01:35:57.000 And intelligent people that are coming together and go, no, Laura Croft is not the fucking bane of civilization. 1.00

01:36:02.000 It's fun to watch her run around with her tits jiggling, shoot guns at things. 1.00

01:36:07.000 It doesn't mean you hate women. 1.00

01:36:08.000 It just doesn't.

01:36:09.000 You know, and women were playing that game, too, and saying the same thing. 1.00

01:36:12.000 And this portrayal of these people as being these ugly, misogynist monsters, the backlash of that is what gave birth to Gamergate.

01:36:21.000 And a lot of Gamergate was harassment, targeted harassment of women, horrible stuff, right? 0.95

01:36:25.000 But I think, as you were saying, when you're talking about Trump supporters, there's a certain percentage of these Trump supporters that probably are racist.

01:36:33.000 Doesn't mean they all are.

01:36:34.000 Like, what is the number?

01:36:35.000 Is it 2%, is it 4%?

01:36:37.000 There's a certain percent that are probably absolute misogynist.

01:36:40.000 What's that number?

01:36:40.000 I don't know what that number is.

01:36:41.000 But there's also some other people in there, that has to be, that are reasonable.

01:36:45.000 Because if you look at the number of people that voted for Obama, and you look at the number of people that voted for Trump, a lot of those people are the same people.

01:36:52.000 Well, actually, if you look at Romney's vote compared to Trump, I think Romney, Trump did better in most ethnic groups.

01:37:00.000 Yes, he did.

01:37:00.000 Like just across the board.

01:37:02.000 They didn't trust that white dude.

01:37:03.000 And what was the problem with Romney?

01:37:05.000 He just didn't have the policies they wanted, right?

01:37:08.000 It was also the Mormon thing.

01:37:10.000 Well, yeah, it was also the Mormon thing.

01:37:12.000 The Mormon thing was pretty big, I think.

01:37:14.000 I mean, he believes one of the wackiest strains of Christianity. 1.00

01:37:21.000 Would you even call it Christianity?

01:37:22.000 Well, we don't know which parts of it he believes, literally.

01:37:25.000 Well, we know that his dad was actually born in Mexico.

01:37:28.000 Do you know the whole story about that?

01:37:30.000 I don't.

01:37:31.000 Oh, I'm going to school you, Scott, because this is wonderful.

01:37:34.000 Please do. 1.00

01:37:35.000 Mitt Romney comes from a faction of the Mormons that were so hardcore that when the United States banned polygamy, they went, well, fuck this. 1.00

01:37:42.000 We're moving to Mexico. 0.99

01:37:43.000 So they moved to Mexico.

01:37:45.000 So Mitt Romney's dad could never be the president of the United States because he was born in Mexico. 1.00

01:37:49.000 He was a Mexican citizen.

01:37:50.000 They have these giant compounds and they have to fight off the drug cartels.

01:37:55.000 And there's more than one gigantic compound owned by Mormons in Mexico. 0.90

01:38:01.000 They literally have carved out their own, like, camps down there.

01:38:05.000 And they're armed.

01:38:06.000 And they did this vice piece on them, where they interviewed them and went over there and talked about it.

01:38:10.000 And that is the whole reason why Mitt Romney's...

01:38:14.000 Mitt Romney's dad's Mexican.

01:38:15.000 I mean, literally Mexican.

01:38:17.000 Born in Mexico.

01:38:17.000 Mexican citizen.

01:38:19.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:38:19.000 Mitt Romney's Mexican roots.

01:38:21.000 His father was born in Mexico, and he could choose dual citizenship.

01:38:26.000 That is interesting.

01:38:28.000 Yeah.

01:38:28.000 How did I not know that?

01:38:29.000 How did you not know that?

01:38:30.000 I mean, I'm not sure it matters anything.

01:38:31.000 Well, I'm obsessed with Mormons, so that's how I found out about it. 0.94

01:38:35.000 I've been obsessed for a long time.

01:38:37.000 So did you do the deep dive and look at all the stuff that they believe in?

01:38:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:38:41.000 Yeah, the seer stone.

01:38:43.000 Like Joseph Smith in 1812 found magic tablets that were the lost work of Jesus, and only he could read them because he had a magic rock. 0.74

01:38:51.000 And he was like 14 at the time, which is fucking hilarious. 0.90

01:38:54.000 All this happened when he was 14. This is when he first concocted this goofy-ass story. 0.99

01:38:58.000 And apparently where he lived, it was fairly common for people to come up with this kind of con. 0.97

01:39:06.000 Really?

01:39:06.000 Yeah.

01:39:07.000 I mean, he wasn't like the only one doing this.

01:39:09.000 It was...

01:39:10.000 I read that somewhere.

01:39:11.000 His just stuck?

01:39:12.000 Yes, my source is I read that somewhere and I I misremember it now so I'll say it in public because that sounds pretty authoritative.

01:39:18.000 The thing about Mormons though, they're really nice people.

01:39:21.000 I like a lot of Mormons.

01:39:22.000 I'm friends with quite a few Mormons.

01:39:24.000 I know a bunch of them and like in general they promote A lot of camaraderie, a lot of community.

01:39:31.000 They're very friendly.

01:39:32.000 The people in the Mormon church, like the friends that I know that are Mormons, they go to church on a regular basis, and it's almost like this community gathering of super polite people that agree to be super polite.

01:39:42.000 I've said the same thing, and I don't know if it's because they don't drink and don't have coffee or something, but...

01:39:48.000 I don't think I've ever met a Mormon I didn't really like.

01:39:51.000 They're nice people.

01:39:52.000 They just all seem great. 0.99

01:39:54.000 Just almost like it's okay to believe wacky shit if it works for you. 0.98

01:39:58.000 I've never met one that really believed the deeper stuff. 0.99

01:40:02.000 Oh, my friends wear the underwear.

01:40:05.000 Seriously?

01:40:05.000 Yeah.

01:40:06.000 They have to wear the underwear.

01:40:07.000 But that's not a belief so much as a custom, wouldn't you say?

01:40:10.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:40:11.000 Well, they're a little hypocritical, right? 0.85

01:40:12.000 Like, you're not allowed to drink coffee, so this dude drinks energy drinks. 1.00

01:40:16.000 Monsters, those fucking giant ones, he pounds those things. 0.97

01:40:19.000 And, you know, you're not supposed to do drugs, but you can get away with it if the doctor prescribes you Xanax, you're allowed to take that. 0.99

01:40:27.000 Because it's not in any of their books.

01:40:29.000 They didn't have Xanax back then.

01:40:31.000 Nobody mentioned it.

01:40:31.000 Xanax is a loophole.

01:40:32.000 You just can't pound booze. 0.99

01:40:34.000 So you just fucking pop pills and freak out all day. 0.99

01:40:38.000 That's a good compromise. 1.00

01:40:39.000 That's a good religion.

01:40:40.000 It's flexible.

01:40:41.000 Well, they're nice people.

01:40:42.000 They're really nice people.

01:40:43.000 Like, I'm a fan of the Mormon people, like, in general.

01:40:46.000 I think what they believe is nonsense, but maybe they don't really believe it.

01:40:50.000 Maybe you're right.

01:40:50.000 Well, like I said, I've never talked to one who actually believes the stuff that's really out there.

01:40:57.000 Yeah, I mean, it can easily just be they enjoy the community aspect of it and the bonding of it, and they believe in God, and maybe they just let all that other stuff slide.

01:41:05.000 That's totally possible.

01:41:06.000 That feels like it.

01:41:08.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:41:09.000 It feels like it.

01:41:09.000 You know if they die, they get their own planet?

01:41:12.000 That is a perk.

01:41:13.000 You get a whole planet.

01:41:15.000 You know when I die, you know what I get?

01:41:18.000 What? 1.00

01:41:19.000 Shit. 1.00

01:41:19.000 Dude, that's not true. 1.00

01:41:20.000 I decompose.

01:41:21.000 I'm going to get you in tight with the Mormons and you're going to get a planet because I like you. 1.00

01:41:25.000 Have you ever seen the Osmond Brothers album where they all have...

01:41:29.000 It's like named after the planet that you get. 0.99

01:41:34.000 What the fuck is the... 0.99

01:41:35.000 Or named after this thing... 0.99

01:41:37.000 That they believe that makes you get all these planets, like this place that you go where you get your own planet. 0.62

01:41:42.000 But in the Osmond album, the Osmond family album, whatever the fuck it is, they all have like their own little planets.

01:41:49.000 And it's inside like the album jacket, like you open it up, there's like planets. 0.88

01:41:53.000 It's hilarious.

01:41:55.000 It's really fun.

01:41:56.000 But again, perfect example.

01:41:57.000 Donny Osmond and Marie Osmond, very nice people.

01:41:59.000 I'm gonna shop around for a new religion because they all have different afterlifes and I think you have to compare them.

01:42:06.000 You do.

01:42:07.000 Because the planet thing sounds pretty appealing.

01:42:10.000 Well, imagine if we go back to your original idea that this is some sort of a software simulation and that's why your memories are so wacky and nothing sticks and Imagine if you literally are choosing, by virtue of your decision to join a certain religion,

01:42:26.000 what your afterlife will be.

01:42:28.000 Like, if you're in a video game and there's like a bunch of different doors, you have to figure out which one's the right door to go through, and you go through that door, it's a totally different adventure.

01:42:36.000 What if we really are a software simulation, and just like you say, the software allows you to pick an afterlife, and you do actually experience it?

01:42:46.000 Because if we're software, that would be totally practical.

01:42:49.000 If we're software, that would be totally practical. 0.94

01:42:52.000 And that simulation theory thing is a mindfuck.

01:42:56.000 Because if you don't know what we're talking about, here's the rub. 0.76

01:42:59.000 The rub is, one day, without a doubt, if we continue, if we don't get hit by an asteroid, if we don't get swallowed up in a supervolcano or a tsunami or an earthquake or something crazy...

01:43:10.000 Human beings will reach a point where if you look at the exponential growth of technology, we are going to be able to create an artificial reality that is indistinguishable from regular reality.

01:43:22.000 If that's the case, how will we know if we're in it?

01:43:25.000 We won't.

01:43:26.000 So how do we know if we're not in it right now?

01:43:29.000 I'll take the math one step further.

01:43:33.000 By the time there's one of those, if it's a perfect simulation, the simulation will create another simulation and so on.

01:43:40.000 So it's turtles all the way down.

01:43:42.000 So this is actually what the scientists say.

01:43:44.000 They say that the number of original species will be, you know, one, and the number of copies will eventually be gigantic.

01:43:53.000 You know, it could be thousands, billions, trillions.

01:43:54.000 Wow.

01:43:55.000 So the odds that you're the original copy, you know, the original, might be one in a trillion.

01:44:00.000 Hmm.

01:44:01.000 If that's real.

01:44:03.000 That's the big if.

01:44:04.000 But it's an if that, if not possible now or if not reality, will one day be.

01:44:11.000 Yeah, we can't tell where we are in that cycle if we're a simulation.

01:44:15.000 We don't know if there were hundreds of simulations before us.

01:44:19.000 There's no way to know.

01:44:20.000 Well, there's also the very slippery aspect of consciousness where we shut it off every night and then turn it back on in the morning.

01:44:26.000 And we assume that our memories when we wake up in the morning are all accurate.

01:44:30.000 We assume that we really did, you know, wake up November 17th, 2016 in our bed, put our clothes on with this database of life experiences leading up to that point. 0.94

01:44:42.000 But how the fuck do you know it didn't just start? 0.92

01:44:44.000 You just woke up and you might have been installed with this goofy life memory that you might have started this life this morning. 0.98

01:44:51.000 Yeah, if you look into physics, we know, and when I say we, I mean people much smarter who are physicists, know that things don't really exist until you observe them.

01:45:04.000 I mean, what the hell does that mean?

01:45:06.000 That's a tricky thing that people say.

01:45:08.000 That's not necessarily true.

01:45:11.000 You know what they mean by that?

01:45:12.000 That when you observe something, in the act of observing it, you change it.

01:45:17.000 No, that's a different concept.

01:45:19.000 Right, but knowing that something's true, like, that's the tree falls in the forest, right?

01:45:24.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:45:25.000 The observation changes it, so that the change thing, maybe we are talking about the same thing.

01:45:30.000 Right, but the observation really only changes it when you measure it.

01:45:33.000 That's what, it's the measurement.

01:45:35.000 Like, when you know they do those particle tests, those are off, have you ever talked to a physicist about that?

01:45:40.000 Observing is enough.

01:45:41.000 You don't have to, it doesn't have to technically be made.

01:45:43.000 Well, after you observe it if you're not measuring.

01:45:45.000 Well, just looking at it.

01:45:47.000 Like looking at what?

01:45:48.000 Seeing it or seeing any sign of it.

01:45:50.000 Right.

01:45:50.000 So anything that's an indication that it must have been is enough to solidify the past.

01:45:56.000 Well, if you've never observed it before and then you are observing it, how do you know that there's a difference between the two results?

01:46:01.000 I don't know.

01:46:02.000 We even know what I'm talking about right now.

01:46:04.000 I have no idea.

01:46:06.000 The way it's been explained to me by a friend of mine who's actually a physicist, he said it's often there's a lot of woo-woo that's tacked onto this.

01:46:14.000 But when you're talking about these measurements that people say like that in the act of measuring something and looking at something, you change the result.

01:46:21.000 He's like, that is much better interpreted by the measurement itself.

01:46:26.000 The actual act of seeing something or recording something or interfacing with it in some way to get a reading changes the result.

01:46:34.000 He's like, that's much more likely what's going on.

01:46:36.000 There's no real evidence that looking at something changes it because if you weren't looking at it before, how do you know if it was different?

01:46:42.000 Whoa.

01:46:44.000 Well, that was good.

01:46:45.000 That's crazy, man.

01:46:47.000 That's not the way I understood it, but I'm also not a physicist, nor do I have a friend who's a physicist who can explain it to me like that.

01:46:54.000 I get confused at these things because they're often repeated, and they're repeated by people who haven't looked into it, and it gets me worried.

01:47:00.000 It's one of those things like the wage gap thing.

01:47:03.000 Do you know the wage gap argument versus reality?

01:47:05.000 I do.

01:47:06.000 I've looked into it deeply.

01:47:07.000 It's a crazy one.

01:47:08.000 Because really smart people will tell you women make 79 cents for every dollar a man makes. 1.00

01:47:14.000 And that gives you the impression that they're working side by side in the same factory and the woman's making 79 cents and the man's making a dollar.

01:47:19.000 That's not what it means.

01:47:21.000 What it means is, overall, men make a dollar to 79 cents that women make because of career choices, because of jobs, the different jobs that they choose.

01:47:30.000 If you're going to make the argument that it's more difficult for women to get those jobs, that's a different argument.

01:47:35.000 And you might be right.

01:47:36.000 But that's not...

01:47:38.000 I think?

01:47:58.000 Men sort of gravitate towards them.

01:48:00.000 Men gravitate towards riskier jobs. 0.99

01:48:01.000 Men are more likely to die on the job.

01:48:04.000 Men choose different paths because of testosterone and their gender. 0.99

01:48:08.000 And to deny that seems kind of silly.

01:48:10.000 But so when they start talking about this gender gap, which everybody throws around all willy-nilly with no research whatsoever, they really believe that you're talking about two lawyers working in the same firm side by side.

01:48:21.000 The man makes a dollar.

01:48:22.000 The woman makes 79 cents.

01:48:24.000 So it's not...

01:48:24.000 How many times have you been in a conversation with somebody who believed in the 79-cent figure, and then you explained it to them, and they said, oh, no, I don't think that's the case.

01:48:35.000 Then you showed them a link.

01:48:37.000 You proved it beyond any doubt, and it still didn't change their minds.

01:48:41.000 Well, they won't accept the fact they could have been wrong about something because they've attached their identity to being correct.

01:48:46.000 Right.

01:48:46.000 I think?

01:49:01.000 So, absolutely they've been suppressed, and absolutely there's a lot of things that brought them out of that.

01:49:06.000 First of all, birth control, like the ability to choose whether or not they're going to be pregnant. 0.61

01:49:10.000 The laws changing, discrimination laws changing, people's perceptions of what women are changing.

01:49:17.000 All those things are absolutely real.

01:49:20.000 You can't lie about numbers.

01:49:23.000 As soon as you bullshit people, then they have reason to disbelieve you about everything. 0.98

01:49:27.000 So if you start bullshitting about the wage gap, and this is not saying that it's not more difficult to be a woman. 0.99

01:49:31.000 I think it is. 1.00

01:49:32.000 I think it's more difficult because I think men are pieces of shit. 1.00

01:49:35.000 I think there's a lot of violent, dangerous, creepy men that probably want to rape you. 1.00

01:49:38.000 And I would hate to be a woman in that sort of a scenario. 1.00

01:49:41.000 So I'm not denying that it's probably more difficult in our society because of a lot of shitty men It's more difficult to be a woman. 0.97

01:49:48.000 But you can't lie about numbers. 0.97

01:49:51.000 As soon as you start pretending that women get paid less for the same job across the board, you ruin the whole argument because now we're not dealing in reality.

01:50:01.000 Now we're doing the same thing where we're not looking at Caitlyn Jenner as a human.

01:50:05.000 We're looking at it as a gender identity hero.

01:50:08.000 What about as a human?

01:50:10.000 We're supposed to celebrate someone or not as a human being, as a total package.

01:50:15.000 We're not doing that.

01:50:17.000 We're treating the whole subject with blinders because it pertains to gender. 0.95

01:50:23.000 We can't look at the reality of it.

01:50:25.000 I would generalize that to say that nobody's ever won an argument with data.

01:50:29.000 It almost just never happens.

01:50:31.000 Because the problem is that people just say, well, your data's wrong.

01:50:35.000 And that's the end of the conversation.

01:50:36.000 But isn't that less and less the case now than ever before?

01:50:41.000 It should be.

01:50:42.000 Should be.

01:50:42.000 But I'm actively in conversations with people in which I can show them all the data that I want.

01:50:47.000 It makes no difference.

01:50:49.000 Humans or Twitter people?

01:50:51.000 Even, yeah, regular people.

01:50:53.000 People in the world.

01:50:53.000 In real life, yeah.

01:50:54.000 But, you know, there's a broad spectrum of people in the world, right?

01:50:58.000 When you're talking about people that you respect, your peers, colleagues, fellow cartoonists, I mean, are you talking about them or are you talking about...

01:51:05.000 Regular, you know, educated people.

01:51:08.000 I've never seen anybody change their mind on that topic.

01:51:11.000 That's a weird one.

01:51:30.000 It's very insidious.

01:51:32.000 It's very insidious. 0.99

01:51:33.000 Because I think it, like we were talking about with the Hillary Clinton thing about lying about Russia, as soon as you lie about that, as soon as you lie about something, well, I'm going, what the fuck? 0.97

01:51:41.000 You know, when you see, I'm sure you've seen it, the director Comey video where it compares what Comey said versus what Hillary is saying he said. 0.99

01:51:49.000 And it's like, holy shit. 1.00

01:51:51.000 Like, you're just lying. 1.00

01:51:52.000 Yeah.

01:51:52.000 Like, you just keep lying.

01:51:54.000 Like, this is a crazy moment where you're seeing this because it didn't exist until recently where you had this YouTube phenomenon where you can watch and get millions of hits on these videos where it shows the reality versus what you're saying.

01:52:07.000 And as soon as you throw a non-reality into it, I know that you're dealing with it from a team perspective.

01:52:14.000 Like, you're just trying...

01:52:15.000 To manipulate whatever the facts are or whatever the argument is to get your team in.

01:52:20.000 You don't really care what's true. 1.00

01:52:21.000 Women get paid less, period, you fucking piece of shit. 1.00

01:52:24.000 79 cents to a dollar. 1.00

01:52:26.000 Read the facts!

01:52:27.000 And, you know, you can't even argue with it.

01:52:29.000 You can't even bring it up.

01:52:31.000 But that's everything all the time, if there's any emotional connection.

01:52:34.000 We just think that logic and data and arguments matter, but they're just so rare.

01:52:40.000 And if you disagree also, you're so happy to be a man.

01:52:43.000 You must be so happy to be a man.

01:52:45.000 You think men are the only ones who could run this world.

01:52:47.000 You think men don't discriminate against women every step of the way. 1.00

01:52:51.000 It must be really nice to have that white male privilege, Scott Adams.

01:52:55.000 The sarcasm as a replacement for reason is probably the most annoying thing in the world.

01:53:01.000 And I've been, you know, the sarcasm has been raining on me for a year for writing about Trump.

01:53:07.000 But yeah, it's exactly what you said.

01:53:09.000 It's like, so, and then Trump will get elected, and then he'll just make everything good, and then there will be just unicorns, right?

01:53:16.000 Yeah, that's a weird argument that people love to put words in your mouth and then force you to defend them.

01:53:22.000 I talk about the word so as a tell for that whatever is going to come next is a hallucination.

01:53:30.000 So if you say to me, it doesn't matter what you said, you know, I went to the store yesterday, I would say, so you abandoned your children.

01:53:40.000 Yeah.

01:53:43.000 And you know that whatever comes just won't make any sense.

01:53:46.000 Oh my god, that's hilarious.

01:53:47.000 That's really funny.

01:53:49.000 Yeah, you can definitely do that.

01:53:51.000 I mean, that's the art of persuasion, right?

01:53:52.000 That's hypnosis.

01:53:53.000 That's who you're into.

01:53:54.000 Do you have a pocket watch?

01:53:55.000 Do you have one of those?

01:53:56.000 No, that's not part of the process, weirdly enough.

01:53:58.000 But it is in cartoons.

01:54:00.000 In movies, yes.

01:54:01.000 Was it ever?

01:54:02.000 I think there was one movie that's well known in the history that this one movie, I don't know what it was, showed somebody using a watch to hypnotize and then it just became a thing.

01:54:13.000 But it was never a thing within the hypnotist world.

01:54:16.000 Was there ever a moment during this whole campaign where, you know, it was getting really crazy and people were angry about so many different things?

01:54:25.000 Like, how about when all those women came out en masse, right? 1.00

01:54:28.000 There was this, en masse?

01:54:29.000 How do you say that?

01:54:29.000 En masse?

01:54:30.000 There was that one time where all these women were coming out saying, Donald Trump tried to grab my tits and Donald Trump, and some of them were, like, pretty innocuous. 1.00

01:54:38.000 But it was all together, like a coordinated effort. 0.99

01:54:40.000 Was there ever a moment where you're like, what the fuck did I do? 0.76

01:54:44.000 Why did I come out in support of this guy? 0.97

01:54:46.000 The hate that I'm getting right now.

01:54:49.000 That was the moment that I switched my endorsement to Gary Johnson.

01:54:53.000 Oh, I remember that.

01:54:54.000 And my reasoning was because Gary Johnson only touches himself.

01:54:57.000 And that's something I can respect in a leader.

01:55:01.000 No trouble there.

01:55:02.000 But that was tongue-in-cheek.

01:55:04.000 It was tongue-in-cheek, but I was also getting out of the blast zone.

01:55:07.000 Because remember, I was never supporting him based on policies.

01:55:10.000 I was just talking about his persuasion.

01:55:12.000 But was there ever a time where you thought, I should probably make a moral distinction because I'm getting caught up You get caught up in this wave of angry alt-white people and their misogyny and racism and all the- I mean, the worst aspects, right?

01:55:27.000 The 2% that we already discussed.

01:55:29.000 And you get caught up in this association game that people are doing when they have this us versus them little battle going on. 0.99

01:55:36.000 Did you ever think, like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

01:55:38.000 What did I do? 0.99

01:55:39.000 Not in those words, but I'm fortunately in a situation where I have what I call fuck you money, and I can kind of take some risks that you wouldn't take earlier in your career. 0.93

01:55:52.000 And one of them is the risk to say whatever I think is useful and necessary and I want to say. 0.83

01:55:58.000 And so that is a huge risk to be associated with anybody unpleasant.

01:56:04.000 But at the same time, I self-identify with being ultra-liberal.

01:56:09.000 Like, liberal people seem a little too conservative for me.

01:56:11.000 I'm sort of left to them.

01:56:13.000 That is interesting about you, and I definitely wanted to get to that, because you're not a right-wing guy.

01:56:20.000 You know, you're very reasonable.

01:56:22.000 And that's what I thought was so fascinating about this.

01:56:25.000 And it actually makes sense.

01:56:27.000 Now you say it. 0.99

01:56:27.000 You have fuck you money, so why shouldn't you just speak about... 0.99

01:56:30.000 Whatever attributes, positive or negative, you might see, and look at it almost like you're looking at a puzzle. 1.00

01:56:35.000 Well, look at this piece here.

01:56:37.000 This piece is going to go right there, and see there's an opening here.

01:56:40.000 It's weird.

01:56:40.000 There was a space for this of somebody who didn't have a team.

01:56:45.000 Yes.

01:56:46.000 And it's part of the reason I don't vote.

01:56:48.000 I don't join a party.

01:56:49.000 You didn't vote at all?

01:56:50.000 No.

01:56:53.000 Isn't it ironic?

01:56:54.000 It would bias me.

01:56:55.000 Oh, I see.

01:56:57.000 As soon as you vote, you join a team.

01:57:00.000 But you're like a Klingon in this world? 0.99

01:57:02.000 You're just roaming through the streets, and then people make the rules, and you just abide by them?

01:57:07.000 How does that work?

01:57:09.000 You're a non-participant in our democracy, Scott Adams?

01:57:12.000 Are you secretly Canadian?

01:57:14.000 Yeah, I'm a Californian, so I didn't think it mattered that much who I voted for.

01:57:18.000 But I also think that staying unbiased is important, so I'm just not a joiner.

01:57:23.000 But what about other things?

01:57:24.000 Like, you could always write in a presidential candidate if you want to do that, but, like, voting on things like legalizing marijuana, things that are really important, I mean, that's...

01:57:31.000 You notice I go right to that. 1.00

01:57:33.000 Forget, fuck the death penalty. 0.99

01:57:36.000 But there's a lot of important issues you could vote on, right? 0.99

01:57:38.000 Yeah, but my take on that is that the people who think they understand those issues almost never do.

01:57:44.000 And the few that I could understand well enough, like, you know, legalizing weed, it was going the way I wanted it anyway.

01:57:52.000 Hmm, according to the polls that thought that Hillary Clinton was going to win. 0.70

01:57:55.000 See?

01:57:56.000 There's the problem.

01:57:57.000 Yeah, the weed polls were much more accurate.

01:58:01.000 There was a bigger gap there.

01:58:04.000 The weed polls were more accurate.

01:58:06.000 Well, they are, for sure.

01:58:08.000 It won by a landslide, but I thought it was important.

01:58:10.000 I felt like if I was going to vote, I mean, the voting for freedom, wherever it is, wherever it's possible, especially freedom, you're not hurting anybody, and you're removing the possibility of being locked up for something that's not hurting anybody.

01:58:22.000 Across the board, whether it's pot or whether it's wearing dresses, I'm for that.

01:58:26.000 I would be just as enthusiastic about a transgender law.

01:58:29.000 If someone made it a law where a man couldn't become a woman, and we were fighting against that, I would be as enthusiastic as I am about almost. 0.98

01:58:39.000 Almost.

01:58:39.000 The pot thing, to me, it's a freedom issue as much as it is anything else.

01:58:44.000 I put this in a different frame.

01:58:46.000 So, you know, in the birth of the nation, there was this debate about states' rights and, you know, what's the federal government do?

01:58:53.000 And the idea was that the more local the government, the better they understood the people and stuff like that.

01:58:59.000 But fast forward today with the Internet and more, and the states are like little laboratories.

01:59:05.000 So we can watch, hey, how'd it go in Colorado?

01:59:08.000 So we don't have to argue on principle or morality anymore.

01:59:12.000 We're actually beyond that because we can measure.

01:59:15.000 We can A-B test with the states.

01:59:18.000 So with everything from abortion law to weed, you can say, hey, let the states do it and let's just make sure we measure it. 0.62

01:59:27.000 Make sure we have a real thing that matters that we can say if it reaches this level, it worked.

01:59:33.000 If there's crime, it didn't.

01:59:36.000 And I think that's the direction we're going, which is insanely useful because it takes all of the emotion out of it.

01:59:44.000 It's like we don't have to wonder if it's our right to smoke weed or anything.

01:59:47.000 Just see how it worked out.

01:59:49.000 I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I also think that it's that too.

01:59:53.000 I think the morality and ethics play a part of it as well.

01:59:56.000 For the first state.

01:59:59.000 Okay.

02:00:00.000 But after that, you can just see what happened.

02:00:02.000 Man, I don't know.

02:00:03.000 Because that means in the 49 other states, you leave open the possibility that people are going to be locked up in jail for non-violent crimes that don't hurt anyone.

02:00:11.000 And that seems to be a giant ethic.

02:00:14.000 Temporarily.

02:00:15.000 Even if it's temporarily, it could ruin their life if you have a felony.

02:00:18.000 No, I mean that the law...

02:00:20.000 The law exists temporarily.

02:00:21.000 Is temporarily bad.

02:00:22.000 Yeah, but it's still there.

02:00:23.000 It's still there.

02:00:24.000 That's not optimal, right?

02:00:25.000 It's not optimal, and the consequences are too grave.

02:00:28.000 You're taking away people's freedom.

02:00:29.000 So to me, it becomes primarily a freedom issue, the same way it would be if men wanted to wear dresses, or if women wanted to wear combat boots, and all of a sudden we said, we can't have that anymore.

02:00:38.000 Well, you're giving two examples that I consider easy, you know, the weed and the gender thing. 0.96

02:00:44.000 Those are easy.

02:00:44.000 Those should be available to everybody I agree with.

02:00:46.000 Okay, so let's go with one that's hard.

02:00:49.000 Which would be?

02:00:50.000 Automated cars.

02:00:51.000 Oh, I love that one.

02:00:52.000 Yeah, how about this one?

02:00:54.000 Good example.

02:00:54.000 Like when we get to a certain point in time, will we lose our freedom to be autonomous?

02:00:59.000 Will we lose our freedom to be able to drive a car and be able to steer and trust you to hit the brakes when you're supposed to?

02:01:04.000 Oh, all of your autonomy is going away.

02:01:06.000 It's going away.

02:01:07.000 So think about this.

02:01:08.000 I blogged about this today.

02:01:09.000 Suppose you had a fitness band.

02:01:11.000 And it was like the future, not a long time, five or ten years.

02:01:15.000 And it can do everything from tell you when you should take a sip of water because you're dehydrated and knows what kind of food you should eat and when.

02:01:21.000 It knows when you should sleep and it tells you how.

02:01:25.000 In the beginning, you're going to say, oh, good suggestion.

02:01:28.000 I'll either do that or not.

02:01:30.000 But eventually, you're going to see that their suggestion is better than whatever the hell you would have done on your own.

02:01:34.000 And you're just going to start following the app.

02:01:37.000 And eventually, that app is going to be completely controlling your life while you have the sensation that you're deciding.

02:01:43.000 Maybe you, dude.

02:01:44.000 Not me.

02:01:45.000 I'm a rebel.

02:01:46.000 I'm out there.

02:01:46.000 I gotta make my own choices.

02:01:48.000 I'm gonna rip off that Fitbit. 0.83

02:01:49.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

02:01:50.000 Fuck that Fitbit. 1.00

02:01:50.000 I'm running free. 1.00

02:01:51.000 I'm gonna run, and when I feel tired, I'll stop.

02:01:54.000 Or keep pushing.

02:01:56.000 Because that's what I do.

02:01:57.000 Push harder.

02:01:58.000 Hashtag push harder.

02:02:00.000 I know what you're saying.

02:02:01.000 I agree.

02:02:03.000 I think also people like when things become...

02:02:07.000 When you have less stuff to talk about or think about, you know, and as soon as you get in your car and your car drives itself, well, now I don't have to think about that anymore, you know?

02:02:15.000 I was going to invest in alcohol companies, you know, companies that produced and manufactured alcohol.

02:02:21.000 Because you could be drunk in your car now?

02:02:23.000 Because self-driving cars are coming.

02:02:25.000 Right.

02:02:26.000 And the day they do...

02:02:29.000 80% of the reason not to drink just goes away, which is how do you get home?

02:02:33.000 That's a good point.

02:02:35.000 Yeah.

02:02:36.000 Do you think they'll have no steering wheel at all?

02:02:38.000 Like, what if everything goes wrong?

02:02:40.000 I think it'll have a steering wheel because, you know, you have to get it, like, off the road. 0.99

02:02:45.000 Right, but then if you get drunk, you're like, fuck it, I could drive. 0.97

02:02:47.000 You want to drive even though it's autonomous, right? 1.00

02:02:50.000 You'll be too drunk to program the address in. 0.99

02:02:53.000 You're like, I know how I fucking drive. 0.99

02:02:55.000 And you just start driving. 0.99

02:02:57.000 Good point.

02:02:58.000 We don't have that problem with Uber.

02:03:00.000 You know, no matter how drunk I am, I never try to come out from the back and...

02:03:04.000 Yeah, but it's not right in front of you.

02:03:06.000 Also, with Uber, you're too busy trying to figure out whether the guy driving you is a serial killer.

02:03:11.000 You need a little breathalyzer on there to get control of the steering wheel. 0.99

02:03:15.000 You need to be able to take a swab and run it through machines to find out what kind of DNA this fucking creep has. 0.99

02:03:21.000 Have you ever gone through security lately and they do the little swab and they burned in the machine? 0.99

02:03:27.000 And I'm thinking, what does it know about me?

02:03:30.000 How much can it figure out for me?

02:03:32.000 Because from your odor and your DNA or whatever the hell they're looking at, they could probably know a lot about me.

02:03:39.000 Yeah, they definitely could.

02:03:41.000 Well, that's the big argument about those fingerprint scanners on cell phones.

02:03:45.000 They're slowly but surely accumulating a database of fingerprints of all the people in this country.

02:03:51.000 Yeah, that's scary.

02:03:55.000 Slowly but surely, the boundaries between people and data are eroding.

02:04:01.000 So let me ask you this.

02:04:02.000 So in the news today, I don't know who said it.

02:04:05.000 It wasn't Trump himself, I think.

02:04:06.000 But the discussion of a Muslim database.

02:04:10.000 Did you hear that?

02:04:11.000 The idea of collecting names.

02:04:13.000 I think of only the people who are non-citizens coming into the country.

02:04:18.000 Which raises, you know, every kind of Nazi concentration camp alarm and should.

02:04:24.000 But do you think we don't already have that list?

02:04:27.000 That's a good question.

02:04:39.000 Probably a few people in the government who know what we know about citizens.

02:04:42.000 But the idea that there's anybody coming into the country, and we don't have a really good idea of where they are at any time.

02:04:48.000 I mean, if they have back doors into everything from the credit card processing companies to all the other big cell phone companies, they have a working profile on everybody if they want to.

02:05:01.000 In other words, they have to push the button to run the program.

02:05:04.000 But if they wanted to know your religion, they wouldn't need to have you fill it out on a form because they could check your credit card and say, hey, he buys gas next to the synagogue or the mosque or whatever, and his friends are these because they do the same things at the same time.

02:05:20.000 Big data already knows your religion.

02:05:22.000 If someone wants to track down all that stuff, the thing is, who is the someone?

02:05:27.000 I have a friend that's always worried the government's looking into his email and following him.

02:05:33.000 This is what I always say.

02:05:34.000 How many people are they doing this to?

02:05:37.000 There's hundreds of millions of people.

02:05:39.000 How many people work in the government?

02:05:40.000 How are they doing that?

02:05:41.000 Here's a good story.

02:05:43.000 If people think, oh, they're following me, man, listen to this story.

02:05:47.000 The guy who broke into the White House.

02:05:48.000 Do you know about that story?

02:05:49.000 The guy who ran through the White...

02:05:51.000 I had a bit about it in my last Netflix special because this is where progressiveness got us.

02:05:56.000 It's a ridiculous idea that everybody's equal.

02:05:59.000 They left a woman guarding the door of the White House by herself. 0.99

02:06:03.000 This is a true story.

02:06:05.000 The guy hopped the fence. 1.00

02:06:07.000 He was crazy, PTSD'd out, out of his fucking mind, veteran, ran across the lawn. 1.00

02:06:12.000 The guy who was in charge of monitoring the grassy area where this guy ran across took his earpiece out and was on the phone with his girlfriend. 1.00

02:06:23.000 So this guy was like having a conversation with his girlfriend while this guy's running across the lawn.

02:06:28.000 The guy gets to the front door. 0.98

02:06:29.000 The alarm system is down because it kept fucking up. 0.77

02:06:33.000 So they just shut it off. 0.95

02:06:34.000 So they left a girl by herself at the door with no alarm or a guy just ran across the lawn.

02:06:39.000 Then you find out about the guy. 0.98

02:06:41.000 Well, the guy turns out was arrested just a couple of months before this with 800 fucking rounds of ammunition. 0.99

02:06:50.000 Four rifles, two handguns, a machete, an axe, armed to the tits, with a fucking map of Washington, D.C. with an X where the White House is! 0.99

02:07:02.000 They weren't watching that guy! 1.00

02:07:05.000 Like, they weren't even watching him!

02:07:07.000 We are dealing with way more incompetence than we would like to believe or that we would care to admit.

02:07:15.000 So that was a case of a criminal investigation that the law enforcement people didn't coordinate, right? 0.99

02:07:21.000 Well, it was both that and complete arrogance and not having an alarm system on, not having more than one person guarding the lawn, not having more than one person at the door, having a woman at the door by herself with this fucking... 1.00

02:07:36.000 Giant soldier comes running through and knocks her to the ground and runs around the White House. 0.99

02:07:40.000 See, this is a perfect example.

02:07:41.000 So since that never had happened before, like, you know, probably...

02:07:45.000 In 100 years.

02:07:46.000 1812 was the last time it happened before that.

02:07:48.000 Oh, wow.

02:07:49.000 Or 1912, excuse me.

02:07:50.000 So you're never really ready for the thing that hasn't happened.

02:07:52.000 I always think about if nuclear war broke out, like, let's say, Russia and the United States decide, all right, it's on, and we're going to launch. 0.71

02:08:00.000 I don't think they'd work.

02:08:03.000 The bombs?

02:08:04.000 The bombs.

02:08:04.000 Because we've never done it before.

02:08:06.000 Like, we've only tested the bomb and we've tested the missile, but we haven't tested the missile on the bomb and the chain of command and who puts the codes in.

02:08:15.000 Sure, we've tested all the parts.

02:08:17.000 Imagine it was all a fucking Fugazi scheme and there was nothing even in those things. 0.97

02:08:22.000 Just taking that tax dollars and using it for satanic rituals and flying on private jets everywhere. 0.95

02:08:28.000 Did you read all that stuff, the Podesta stuff that came out in the WikiLeaks emails about all the weird rituals they were going to? 0.99

02:08:37.000 The spirit cooking involved sperm and blood and what in the fuck are they doing? 1.00

02:08:44.000 Like, I don't like to believe when Alex Jones goes on to his fucking crazy, they're all Satanists, every one of them, they're all worshiping Satan! 1.00

02:08:52.000 You know, you go, well, Alex Jones is crazy. 1.00

02:08:54.000 He's going crazy. 1.00

02:08:54.000 Obama is a devil! 1.00

02:08:56.000 Literally a devil in hell! 1.00

02:08:57.000 And you go, well, Alex Jones is out of his fucking mind. 1.00

02:08:59.000 And then you see this Podesta thing where, you know, they're doing Satan rituals. 1.00

02:09:05.000 Or at least went to it.

02:09:08.000 Went to watch something called spirit cooking.

02:09:10.000 Well, but you heard their explanation.

02:09:13.000 I did not.

02:09:14.000 So the explanation was the woman who I guess was the hostess says, oh yeah, it does mean those other things, but we've sort of, you know, cutely just generalized it to whatever we're doing.

02:09:25.000 So the spirit cooking didn't mean any of that.

02:09:28.000 I don't buy that.

02:09:29.000 I don't buy that for a second.

02:09:30.000 Well, I'm not sure I buy that they were all getting together to eat blood and sperm.

02:09:34.000 Well, why are they even talking about it?

02:09:36.000 My friends and I, we never get together and talk about eating blood and sperm.

02:09:39.000 It never comes up.

02:09:40.000 No, they didn't talk about it.

02:09:41.000 Well, somebody did.

02:09:42.000 Well, the email just said, do you want to go to the spirit cooking thing?

02:09:44.000 Right, but then when you find out what the spirit cooking is, it involves blood and sperm, right?

02:09:48.000 Well, it's one of the things it means.

02:09:50.000 So does every good party, by the way.

02:09:53.000 It's not a party until somebody bleeds. 0.71

02:09:55.000 Somebody bleeds, somebody comes. 0.98

02:09:57.000 I didn't look into the explanation, because to me, it's one of those things that I don't want to know any further, because it's too fun to think these wacky fucks are out there jizzing in a bucket of blood and drinking it and throwing it on themselves. 0.98

02:10:10.000 That's more fun to me than... 0.98

02:10:12.000 Knowing a rational explanation.

02:10:14.000 I think the best moment of the whole year was related to that.

02:10:18.000 It was Mike Cernovich was, you know, tweeting about it the most.

02:10:21.000 And I realized that, you know, I think it was the Washington Post ran out like a piece by piece sort of explaining why it wasn't what it was.

02:10:29.000 And I thought, where have we come to the point where Mike Cernovich makes the Washington Post defend how much sperm Podesta ate?

02:10:38.000 LAUGHTER It's like, no, no. 0.82

02:10:40.000 It was way less sperm than you think.

02:10:43.000 That's hilarious.

02:10:44.000 It's a couple of drops.

02:10:46.000 That's all you need.

02:10:47.000 That's all you need.

02:10:48.000 A couple of drops.

02:10:49.000 It's a symbolic thing.

02:10:52.000 This is totally unrelated, but did you see the real sports from this week with the Bikram yoga guy?

02:10:58.000 Did you see Brian Gumbel?

02:11:02.000 Thank you.

02:11:03.000 He did this Real Sports, you know, one of his episodes, he had this woman go and investigate Bikram Chudnoy, I think his name is.

02:11:13.000 He's the guy that's the lead of Bikram Yoga.

02:11:16.000 And apparently, like, he's... 0.98

02:11:19.000 Allegedly banged a bunch of chicks that work there and you know sexually harassed him allegedly allegedly allegedly keep saying that um But he was they were saying he was like why would I do that when women will pay one dollar for one drop of my sperm? 0.99

02:11:35.000 He was saying he was saying they pay yeah He was saying there's thousands of women signing up to fuck him and that four of them committed suicide because he wouldn't fuck them and that people are willing to pay a million dollars for a drop of his sperm Well, 1.00

02:11:51.000 they're out there, folks. 1.00

02:11:52.000 That's a good argument. 1.00

02:11:53.000 There's some crazy fucking people out there. 1.00

02:11:55.000 I would have defended myself differently. 1.00

02:11:57.000 I'd say, well, the women who come here for yoga, they're very flexible. 1.00

02:12:01.000 That's some money laundering right there. 0.99

02:12:03.000 Someone's paying a million dollars for his sperm, for one drop of his sperm. 0.85

02:12:06.000 That's a guy who's selling drugs trying to get rid of cash. 0.96

02:12:08.000 He's trying to move some money around.

02:12:10.000 That's what he's doing.

02:12:11.000 Well, I mean, it's the ultimate telecommuting job.

02:12:14.000 It's like, I can't come to the office.

02:12:16.000 I'll be at home today.

02:12:18.000 My quota's a gallon today.

02:12:19.000 Well, one drop.

02:12:21.000 I mean, you got a lot of drops if you're healthy and if you eat eggs and drink milk. 1.00

02:12:27.000 My point being that there's a lot of fucking crazy people in this world. 0.99

02:12:32.000 And this guy, Podesta guy, being involved in this wacky spirit cooking thing. 1.00

02:12:37.000 I'm not shocked.

02:12:38.000 I'm not shocked.

02:12:39.000 This yoga guy, this guy that you think of as being like peace and satnam and namaste and we're all going to flow together and realize we're all one.

02:12:48.000 He's like...

02:12:49.000 They pay one million dollars for one drop of my spam. 0.99

02:12:53.000 He's crazy. 0.60

02:12:54.000 And he's the head of this yoga organization, which we all think we immediately associate yoga with peace and love and happiness. 1.00

02:13:03.000 And he's talking about all these women that accuse them of being human trash and pieces of shit. 1.00

02:13:09.000 And it's like, whoa! 1.00

02:13:11.000 Think about how Trump responded to the allegations against him versus how this yoga guy Responded way worse. 0.94

02:13:20.000 He should have gone with a nickname.

02:13:23.000 Lying Yoga Hose.

02:13:26.000 I don't know what we call them.

02:13:28.000 But my point is that there's some crazy people out there involved in all sorts of weird stuff we would never imagine.

02:13:36.000 Well, it also gets to the fact that...

02:13:38.000 I just tied that together pretending I had a point.

02:13:42.000 But it kind of goes to the point where we'll never have a nice person who's president again.

02:13:47.000 Oh, I don't think that's true.

02:13:49.000 No, it's because the only reason you thought anybody was nice is you didn't know enough about them.

02:13:53.000 But that's not true.

02:13:53.000 There's nice people, right?

02:13:54.000 You're a nice guy.

02:13:55.000 Why don't you run for president?

02:13:56.000 Right.

02:13:56.000 I'm a nice guy.

02:13:57.000 But if you were to dissect my entire past, I would look like, you know, Satan incarnate by the time they got done with me.

02:14:05.000 Maybe now.

02:14:06.000 But I think within the next four years, by the time Trump is on a second term, if he decides to run again and if he wins, right?

02:14:13.000 Which would be crazy, right?

02:14:15.000 Two-term Trump.

02:14:16.000 Whoo! 0.78

02:14:16.000 That's a shirt. 0.78

02:14:17.000 I see it.

02:14:18.000 I see a bumper sticker now.

02:14:19.000 Two-term Trump.

02:14:20.000 Two-term Trump!

02:14:21.000 Two-term Trump! 1.00

02:14:22.000 Look, if you guys start chanting that shit, I want credit. 1.00

02:14:24.000 Okay? 1.00

02:14:25.000 I came up with it.

02:14:26.000 But I really could see that by that time, it would be way more difficult to just...

02:14:31.000 First of all, we're going to have to acknowledge that you can't just edit little pieces of someone's life and make some sort of an absolute definitive statement on who they are based on out-of-context statements and things.

02:14:44.000 And also this idea that something you did in 2001 is somehow...

02:14:49.000 It defines you in 2016, that you're the same person.

02:14:52.000 Right.

02:14:53.000 Isn't the point of life to improve?

02:14:55.000 100%.

02:14:55.000 Let's say Trump did X terrible thing 30 years ago.

02:14:59.000 Right.

02:15:00.000 And I think, and now what's he doing?

02:15:01.000 He's, you know, trying to do things good for the country.

02:15:04.000 Isn't that like the arc we're all supposed to be on, where you used to be kind of a, you know, not a good person, but you're getting better?

02:15:10.000 Well, we would hope that you used to be a really good person, and now you're a god.

02:15:13.000 That's what I'm looking for.

02:15:15.000 Know anybody like that?

02:15:17.000 I want someone who was perfect in the 90s and has now transcended humanity and is ready to lead.

02:15:24.000 Because that's what we need.

02:15:25.000 We can't have people leading anymore.

02:15:26.000 We need a real guru.

02:15:28.000 You want to go the full cult, turn this nation into a cult?

02:15:33.000 Well, we'll see.

02:15:34.000 We'll see what Donald does.

02:15:35.000 I don't even want the full...

02:15:36.000 I just think we have a completely unrealistic expectation as far as someone who would put it...

02:15:41.000 Like JFK, right?

02:15:43.000 Perfect example that everyone always uses.

02:15:44.000 If he was running today, he'd be picked apart.

02:15:47.000 Clinton, another perfect example.

02:15:49.000 If you look at him on paper, as far as policy, take out the Monica Lewinsky scandal and just look at, like, what he's done, what the economy was like during his time, and make your arguments plus or minus that he, you know, how much of it was because of him, how much of it was he was in a lucky spot as far as being a president, right?

02:16:04.000 There's those arguments.

02:16:05.000 But you look at him like that, and you go, well, oh, there's this guy who was a great guy.

02:16:09.000 But then either Jennifer Flowers and Apollo Jones and this and that and all these different...

02:16:15.000 Then you have a totally different idea of who this guy really is.

02:16:18.000 The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, right?

02:16:21.000 Yeah, and the technology for forming opinions that are incorrect about your opponent is just better than it's ever been.

02:16:30.000 Because now they can test that stuff in real time.

02:16:32.000 They can put down several ads, see who clicks on what.

02:16:36.000 Test the persuasion.

02:16:38.000 So the best persuader of 25 years ago was an amateur compared to the best persuader in 2016. I wonder about that because I think that JFK was a fucking magnificent persuader. 0.98

02:16:51.000 Have you ever seen JFK's speech about secret societies? 0.98

02:16:55.000 No, but I would agree he was great for television because he was great on television.

02:16:59.000 Well, he had an incredible speech about secret societies and the importance of not having secret societies in government.

02:17:07.000 And it was really like, to this day, it's one of those ones that conspiracy theorists love to bring out and go, this is why they killed him, bro.

02:17:15.000 This is why they killed him.

02:17:16.000 Because, I mean, it may very well be that.

02:17:19.000 But, you know, he was talking about the importance of transparency amongst the government and amongst the people and how dangerous it is to hide secrets and have secret societies.

02:17:30.000 And it's incredibly brilliant and it's amazing because you couldn't imagine a president saying that today.

02:17:39.000 It's like, do you remember, I believe it was Eisenhower that had the speech about the military industrial complex before he left office?

02:17:47.000 Yeah, it was Eisenhower.

02:17:49.000 It's an amazing speech, but it was a speech that he gave one night that no one ever saw again until the internet came around.

02:17:57.000 Like, it wasn't something you were played in school.

02:17:59.000 It wasn't something you were even aware about, probably, until YouTube came along.

02:18:03.000 And then you watch that thing on YouTube where Eisenhower's saying, we must be fearful of the military-industrial complex.

02:18:09.000 You know, he was basically saying, there's a whole machine that wants to go to war, and they're looking for excuses to go to war.

02:18:15.000 And he named it.

02:18:17.000 You know, he called it this thing. 0.98

02:18:20.000 You would never fucking see that today. 0.99

02:18:22.000 You would never see that. 0.98

02:18:23.000 What Kennedy did and what Eisenhower did, it's almost like they've buttoned down those holes.

02:18:29.000 They found out where those issues were in the difference in what the people that are actually running the government want.

02:18:39.000 To direct and to project versus these mouthpieces, these guys like Eisenhower or Kennedy.

02:18:45.000 So now it's sort of the military, industrial, mainstream media conglomerate, because they all seem to be on the same side right now.

02:18:55.000 Sort of, but aren't they on different sides?

02:18:57.000 Like, Fox is different than CNN, right?

02:19:00.000 Well, Fox is sort of by itself.

02:19:02.000 I was watching Fox and CNN back and forth before the election.

02:19:07.000 I would watch Fox for like an hour, and then I'd switch over to CNN for an hour, and I was getting schizophrenic.

02:19:13.000 So have you seen how reality has bifurcated?

02:19:16.000 So if you switch between Fox and CNN, on Fox, the Trump transition team is doing a terrific job...

02:19:24.000 Picking, you know, real adults, blah, blah, blah.

02:19:26.000 You go over to CNN, it's in chaos. 0.99

02:19:29.000 It's, you know, there's just this big clusterfuck going over there. 0.64

02:19:32.000 Everything's falling apart. 0.99

02:19:33.000 The country's going to fall apart.

02:19:35.000 They have access to the same information, as far as I know.

02:19:40.000 And those are two completely different views of reality.

02:19:44.000 Yeah, there's two completely different views of reality.

02:19:46.000 Also, I've gone to some liberal sites, websites that are urging people to contact the Electoral College and block Trump's rise to power.

02:19:56.000 Like, what?

02:19:57.000 Is that even possible?

02:19:59.000 And how, isn't that anti-democratic?

02:20:02.000 Like, to have a few people contact the Electoral College, which is like, you're talking about, like, the representatives.

02:20:07.000 Like, every state picks a representative, that representative is supposed to represent the state.

02:20:11.000 They almost always do. 1.00

02:20:12.000 But they have this sort of weird hidden power where they could kind of change the, like, if California voted for Clinton, but they said, fuck that, Trump! 0.99

02:20:21.000 Like, if someone actually did decide to do that, some crazy delegate. 0.99

02:20:24.000 Yeah, so apparently that power is intentionally built in just to prevent a monster from being, you know, elected.

02:20:31.000 Didn't work.

02:20:33.000 But that's what people are saying.

02:20:35.000 There would be a revolt in this country.

02:20:39.000 If they ever did that, good lord. 0.97

02:20:41.000 If they think it's bad now, the divisiveness and the angst and this fucking weird line in the sand across...

02:20:49.000 I mean, it's almost Civil War style between the right and the left right now. 0.70

02:20:54.000 Well, some of that might be exaggerated by the media as well.

02:20:57.000 Could be.

02:20:58.000 Or accentuated.

02:21:01.000 They're blowing on that fire.

02:21:03.000 Would the protesters be out there if it wasn't on television?

02:21:07.000 What is your opinion on the protest?

02:21:10.000 I've seen ads where they said they would pay people $35 an hour to protest. 0.99

02:21:14.000 Is that true or is that bullshit? 0.99

02:21:16.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:21:17.000 I would say low credibility.

02:21:19.000 I had heard that you can't Snopes things anymore, because Snopes leans towards Hillary. 1.00

02:21:25.000 Yeah, I hear that too, but...

02:21:27.000 Where do you hear it, though?

02:21:28.000 From Snopes?

02:21:29.000 I don't know, I don't know.

02:21:30.000 Our alt-right forums?

02:21:32.000 So I would say that one is grain of salt, but there certainly are things that are subject to interpretation.

02:21:39.000 For sure.

02:21:39.000 So you've got to figure there's some bias everywhere.

02:21:41.000 Yeah, I wonder if people are really getting paid to protest.

02:21:46.000 It seems like a good gig if you're broke. 1.00

02:21:48.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:21:49.000 It's just assumed to be true on the right. 1.00

02:21:51.000 Of course.

02:21:52.000 They think that this is proven in lots of different ways.

02:21:55.000 Well, when I was in New York, maybe there was thousands and thousands of Oscar-winning actors wandering through the streets.

02:22:02.000 But honestly, to me, it didn't seem like anybody was acting.

02:22:06.000 It didn't seem like anybody was a paid performer.

02:22:09.000 Well, most of them could be naturals, but you'd need a core that gets everybody excited.

02:22:15.000 There's got to be a core that shows up, and then other people can...

02:22:18.000 Or is it that the people that are willing to take that $35 an hour, they hated Trump anyway, and this gives them an excuse to make some cash while they're hating Trump?

02:22:27.000 What is this here?

02:22:28.000 No, someone wasn't paid $3,500 to protest Donald Trump.

02:22:31.000 It's fake news.

02:22:34.000 Created by Paul Horner, who posts fake news in a variety of websites.

02:22:38.000 Oh, how dare you?

02:22:40.000 He took credit for the fake news.

02:22:41.000 Well, that makes sense.

02:22:42.000 His followers don't fact check anything.

02:22:44.000 They'll post everything and believe anything, Horner said.

02:22:47.000 Referring to then-Trump campaign manager Corey Lindowski.

02:22:51.000 Horner said his campaign manager posted my story about a protest getting paid $3,500 as a fact.

02:22:56.000 Like, I made that up.

02:22:57.000 I posted it in a fake ad on Craigslist.

02:22:59.000 Here's a screenshot of the since-deleted tweet.

02:23:02.000 That's funny.

02:23:03.000 So I'm glad I said low credibility before you showed that.

02:23:06.000 That would have been really embarrassing.

02:23:08.000 The amount of money you'd have to have to pay thousands of people, 35 bucks an hour.

02:23:14.000 Well, that supports the George Soros' behind everything, which I'm pretty skeptical about.

02:23:21.000 Yeah.

02:23:22.000 What about that Peter Thiel billionaire character that funded the lawsuit against Gawker?

02:23:27.000 Isn't he in some way, shape, or form a part of the team?

02:23:31.000 He's part of the Trump universe.

02:23:34.000 I don't know if he's technically on the transition team.

02:23:36.000 It's all very interesting.

02:23:38.000 Well, there goes the anti-gay thing.

02:23:41.000 Have you seen any evidence that he's anti-gay?

02:23:43.000 That Trump's anti-gay?

02:23:45.000 I'm not sure what they're even looking at, except that he picked Pence as his running mate.

02:23:50.000 And Pence has some stuff in his history.

02:23:51.000 Yes, he does.

02:23:52.000 He has some stuff that I tweeted the other day that Rachel Maddow was highlighting that he was saying that instead of giving money to AIDS research, you should give money to educate gay people about the risks of their behavior.

02:24:04.000 Yeah.

02:24:05.000 So here's what I think is going to happen, if you want to put this in the positive perspective.

02:24:11.000 The vice president will adopt the president's policies, at least in public.

02:24:17.000 By the time Mike Pence, you know, might run for president or something, my guess is that it will be hard-coded.

02:24:23.000 In other words, this gives him an opportunity to evolve to where the country would find him more acceptable anyway, should he want to do that.

02:24:31.000 And it's sort of what I call the fake because. 0.77

02:24:33.000 It gives him an excuse to do it without being a hypocrite because people say, yeah, you had to do that because he's your president. 0.91

02:24:39.000 Oh, now that's just your policy. 0.93

02:24:41.000 So my guess is that Trump is moving a lot of people to the middle because that's where he is.

02:24:47.000 But that Pence guy, he's not very persuasive.

02:24:52.000 I just really have a hard time seeing him as being a guy that's going to run for president someday.

02:24:56.000 I think he might.

02:24:58.000 Really?

02:24:58.000 Yeah.

02:24:59.000 I think as a pick, I'll say that I'm no fan of his history with gay rights stuff.

02:25:06.000 I'm not on that team.

02:25:09.000 But as a personality on TV, he's really good at interviews.

02:25:14.000 He really sticks in point.

02:25:15.000 And he only had one thing he needed to do, which was win a debate against the other vice president, Tim Kaine, which he did.

02:25:21.000 He's trying to hide his emails, though.

02:25:25.000 Well, I'm sure they would all like to hide their emails.

02:25:27.000 Have you seen that, though?

02:25:29.000 That was the latest thing, right?

02:25:30.000 Yeah, he's like, no!

02:25:32.000 Yeah, they want access to his emails. 1.00

02:25:34.000 He's like, fuck that! 1.00

02:25:36.000 So, you know, we're waiting for that shoe to drop. 1.00

02:25:39.000 Who knows?

02:25:39.000 I mean, there's going to come a time when I think we're probably all going to have access to all of our emails.

02:25:44.000 I think you're going to have to come to the conclusion that when you're...

02:25:47.000 And you should now, really.

02:25:48.000 You should think when you're sending an email, you should assume that this is not really private.

02:25:53.000 I kind of do already.

02:25:54.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:25:54.000 First of all, because someone on the other side who gets the Scott Adams dick pic can go, we'll check this out. 0.97

02:26:01.000 But there's so many out there now. 0.98

02:26:03.000 Well, hey, man.

02:26:04.000 It's like, own it.

02:26:06.000 It's you.

02:26:07.000 You know what I mean?

02:26:08.000 Look what Charlie Sheen did. 0.97

02:26:09.000 Made a career out of owning it.

02:26:11.000 So I've speculated...

02:26:13.000 That the perfect world would be no privacy, if everybody knew everything about everybody.

02:26:18.000 The worst world is where most people have privacy, but a few people lose it, because then they're just victims.

02:26:24.000 Yeah, the tyranny of it. 0.99

02:26:27.000 But if everybody knew everybody's shit, suddenly you'd be like, really? 1.00

02:26:31.000 You're terrible? 1.00

02:26:32.000 I'm terrible too.

02:26:33.000 I think we would get used to each other so quickly.

02:26:37.000 I think it would also force people to evolve.

02:26:39.000 I mean, we all know our best friend stuff, you know, and we know the failures that we all have together collectively and we still love each other.

02:26:47.000 But it's just like letting those other people in on it, letting those strangers in on the time that you did that bad thing.

02:26:53.000 But the reason you care is that they'll think poorly of you and that that will affect your life.

02:26:58.000 But if you have mutually assured destruction, which is that everybody's bad because you know everything about everybody.

02:27:04.000 You know, everybody's got something they're not proud of.

02:27:07.000 Everybody just thinks, well, I don't think I'll throw a stone because it's gonna come right back at my house.

02:27:11.000 Well, I think it's step one in this complete and total assimilation. 0.87

02:27:15.000 I think losing privacy, I agree with you 100%.

02:27:18.000 I think it's inevitable.

02:27:20.000 Whether it's 30 years from now or 50 years from now, I think essentially everything you do from then on is going to...

02:27:25.000 I think there's going to come some form of technology that is a leap very much like the Internet is this crazy leap, right?

02:27:32.000 The Internet provides us with this instantaneous access to all the answers to all the questions you've ever had, which is just unprecedented in history.

02:27:40.000 There's never been a time where you say, Well, what did happen on the Native American Trail of Tears?

02:27:45.000 Why is it called that? 0.98

02:27:46.000 You can just fucking open your phone and sit down for a few hours, and then I came back to you. 0.99

02:27:50.000 Well, what do you got for me, Scott? 1.00

02:27:51.000 You could tell me exactly what the fuck went down. 0.98

02:27:54.000 This is unprecedented stuff. 0.98

02:27:56.000 I think in that leap, which I think we're in the middle of, so it seems like it's not as big of a deal as it really is, there's going to be another leap that's even more spectacular than that.

02:28:06.000 And that leap is going to integrate all of our minds together.

02:28:09.000 It's going to integrate our memories.

02:28:10.000 It's going to integrate our ability to communicate.

02:28:12.000 And we literally are going to become a technologically created hive mind.

02:28:20.000 I might have written a book that has something to say about that.

02:28:24.000 God's Debris.

02:28:26.000 What was the idea behind your book?

02:28:30.000 If I told you it would ruin your book reading experience, but Oh, spoiler alert.

02:28:35.000 Can you say that?

02:28:36.000 But I will say that I've had this thought using Periscope.

02:28:40.000 Because when I'm using Periscope, I'm like the conscious mind of this gigantic brain, which is all the people watching me.

02:28:47.000 So I can say things like, hey, I think this law might go into effect.

02:28:52.000 No, I don't know the answer to that.

02:28:53.000 Somebody tell me what the law is.

02:28:55.000 And within three seconds, appearing on my screen in the Periscope session will be somebody who knows the answer to that.

02:29:01.000 And there's almost nothing I can't throw out there that there isn't...

02:29:04.000 Someone.

02:29:05.000 Yeah, and of the thousands of people who are live at that moment, and it's the live part that's interesting, because, you know, the Internet is kind of like one person's alive and the other's, you know, looking, it's just data on the other side.

02:29:16.000 But when it's live people who are contributing to a thought and you're watching a forum in real time on Periscope, it is like a new intelligence has been created by this technology that's temporal.

02:29:28.000 You know, as soon as I turn it off, it turns off.

02:29:31.000 But it is a large frickin' mind that multiplies whatever I have going on by the power of all the people watching.

02:29:38.000 It's really thrilling.

02:29:40.000 But when it's spinning, you have so many people that are talking to you so often.

02:29:44.000 You get thousands of people on there.

02:29:45.000 How can you pay attention to all those comments?

02:29:47.000 Well, I can't watch them all.

02:29:48.000 But when someone has a good answer.

02:29:50.000 Well, usually I try to ask a question, and then I look.

02:29:55.000 But otherwise, if I'm talking, I'm focusing on what I'm saying.

02:29:58.000 But when you're looking at their answer, can you click on that answer?

02:30:01.000 Can you freeze your screen or something like that?

02:30:04.000 Because it's like, I see how it works.

02:30:07.000 Yeah, it's hard.

02:30:09.000 Usually what happens is something goes past so quickly, I'll say, I missed it, I missed it.

02:30:14.000 Say that again, and then I look for it and it comes back.

02:30:16.000 The reason why I ask is because we did something similar yesterday.

02:30:19.000 We have this TriCaster that runs the video stream on YouTube, that multicolored keyboard lit up Christmas light looking thing. 0.77

02:30:27.000 That fucking thing has crashed two days in a row on us in the middle of broadcast where it never crashed before.

02:30:32.000 Now Jamie updated all the software and we're hoping it doesn't do it again and this show has been fine. 0.98

02:30:37.000 But I said, well, if anybody knows a better solution, please let us know.

02:30:40.000 And so...

02:30:41.000 The comments were just filled on Instagram with all these, like, really good solutions.

02:30:45.000 And a few of them, a few of the machines look pretty badass.

02:30:48.000 So, I mean, who knows what's...

02:30:49.000 You know, we'll have to research to find out what's the best.

02:30:51.000 But that...

02:30:52.000 When have you ever been able to do that before?

02:30:54.000 And, you know, some... 0.99

02:30:55.000 There's a bunch of dumb answers. 0.99

02:30:56.000 But somewhere in there is probably the right answer. 0.99

02:31:00.000 You know, and some person who's an expert.

02:31:03.000 Like, if somebody...

02:31:06.000 We're good to go.

02:31:23.000 At least if Trump is a transparent sort of public president, like I think he will be, I think there's going to be a lot of policies that get created in this sort of collective brain that is Trump leading the discussion and the entire public weighing in through social media and,

02:31:40.000 you know, mainstream media and every other way.

02:31:43.000 I think he can do that and probably will.

02:31:45.000 And it's going to be like this thrilling experience of watching good thoughts turn into better thoughts.

02:31:52.000 Boy, that is the rose-colored glasses view of the Trump presidency if I've ever heard one.

02:31:57.000 That would be the best case scenario.

02:31:59.000 And also that he wants now that he's in office, once he's no longer in contention, now he's the president.

02:32:04.000 So now he's not fighting with anybody the same way anymore.

02:32:07.000 What people are worried about is people that write things about him.

02:32:11.000 Like if people write poor reviews of his presidency, they're going to be attacked.

02:32:16.000 They're worried about getting sued.

02:32:17.000 They're worried about being targeted.

02:32:19.000 They're worried about the fact that he's in control of the NSA and he can hire some Edward Snowden type character to fuck up your life if you write an article about him for the Wall Street Journal or something.

02:32:29.000 You know?

02:32:30.000 Well, I talk about this as well.

02:32:33.000 If you look at any individual thing he does, like, hey, it's 3 a.m.

02:32:36.000 and I'm tweeting about, you know, Miss Universe or something.

02:32:40.000 I always imagine him with his socks on.

02:32:42.000 In the lazy chair, right? 0.93

02:32:43.000 Yeah, like boxer shorts with a boner. 0.90

02:32:46.000 Angry, no shirt. 0.67

02:32:48.000 Red face, screaming. 0.93

02:32:50.000 And Melania's doing something with the kid. 1.00

02:32:52.000 Better get barefoot with yellow toenails. 1.00

02:32:55.000 I imagine he doesn't take care of his feet.

02:33:01.000 But what he does is he praises and rewards people who are good.

02:33:05.000 Right.

02:33:06.000 Good to him especially.

02:33:07.000 And he attacks without exception.

02:33:10.000 He just never makes an exception.

02:33:11.000 He will attack you if you go after him.

02:33:13.000 He doesn't start the fight.

02:33:15.000 Right.

02:33:15.000 But he likes to finish him.

02:33:17.000 You know what?

02:33:17.000 I think Bill Burr is the one who said that he would have those black socks on.

02:33:21.000 I might have co-opted that.

02:33:23.000 I don't know what I'm thinking.

02:33:24.000 He might have said it while we're drunk doing the End of the World podcast.

02:33:27.000 If you haven't heard that, we did a podcast while the presidency was being called and Bill Burr was on fire.

02:33:34.000 It was on fire.

02:33:35.000 It was one of the funniest podcasts ever.

02:33:37.000 But it was all like watching it all go down.

02:33:39.000 And at one time, he got into an argument with his other comedian, Sarah Tiana. 0.97

02:33:43.000 Because Sarah Tiana was talking about how anybody who supports Trump is a racist and a sexist. 0.88

02:33:48.000 And then Bill made fun of it. 0.82

02:33:51.000 And it was just...

02:33:52.000 It was perfect.

02:33:53.000 It was the perfect thing to see while it was all going down.

02:33:56.000 It was like you were seeing in Bill and her, you're seeing it in a physical form, the way people are choosing to frame this thing.

02:34:05.000 Oh, watch that. 0.80

02:34:06.000 Yeah.

02:34:07.000 Anyway, I was just saying, Trump likes to leave the biggest gap between pleasing him and not pleasing him.

02:34:11.000 And it has nothing to do with the thing he's fighting about at the moment. 0.99

02:34:14.000 It's about setting it up so that the next person who's thinking, should I fuck with him? 0.99

02:34:19.000 Right. 0.98

02:34:19.000 That didn't work for the last 700 people. 0.98

02:34:21.000 Right. 0.99

02:34:26.000 To fuck with him in the past, you would be tempted. 1.00

02:34:28.000 You're like, well, sometimes people get away with this. 0.98

02:34:30.000 Well, there's a different thing, though, once you're the president versus once you're just some billionaire, you know, Real estate tycoon because there was there was one guy that was writing about it where he had been sued by Trump and When because he wrote an article and when they started examining the actual data it got like pretty ugly pretty quick and then they abandoned the lawsuit and This guy Trump wound up getting him a seat for the fights Like,

02:34:59.000 he got him a ticket, and I think he flew him out to Atlantic City and maybe someone with him as well for the fights, and that became like an issue.

02:35:07.000 Like, yeah.

02:35:09.000 How did that connect with the...

02:35:11.000 I'm missing the string there.

02:35:12.000 Well, just, you know, that he's just a master manipulator. 0.90

02:35:15.000 Like, in the middle of this, he has this lawsuit thing with this guy, you know, and the guy calls him a shithead or whatever he called him and writes this article about him. 0.79

02:35:25.000 Trump gets him tickets to some fight, sues him, Loses in court, you know, or loses the, you know, when they're going through all the data.

02:35:32.000 They abandon the lawsuit.

02:35:33.000 Trump gets some tickets to the fight.

02:35:35.000 The whole thing is just crazy.

02:35:37.000 It's probably all part of rewarding people and punishing people so that you feel there's a... 1.00

02:35:42.000 It's Game of Thrones type shit. 1.00

02:35:44.000 Game of Thrones. 1.00

02:35:45.000 Doesn't it look like...

02:35:46.000 I was just thinking that weirdly as I was doing something the other day.

02:35:51.000 I was thinking that you could map all these family dynasties onto the Game of Thrones.

02:35:56.000 Yeah.

02:35:57.000 You could in some way.

02:35:59.000 I mean, it is bizarre to the extreme that we've dealt with these family dynasties like the Bush family.

02:36:05.000 And we almost did it again with Jeb.

02:36:08.000 I mean, who knows?

02:36:09.000 If it wasn't for Trump, if Trump wasn't around and he didn't come up with that low-energy Jeb thing, is that what he called him? 0.99

02:36:17.000 Also, Jeb just sucked. 0.98

02:36:19.000 I mean, when the pressure was on, he just wasn't good. 1.00

02:36:23.000 He just wasn't good.

02:36:24.000 And when all that stuff was going down, or like Rick Perry. 0.98

02:36:27.000 Remember when Rick Perry's in debates and he just didn't know what the fuck he was talking about? 0.95

02:36:30.000 He's like, I don't even know. 0.98

02:36:30.000 What was I even saying? 0.98

02:36:32.000 And they were like, that's it!

02:36:33.000 You're done!

02:36:34.000 But if it wasn't for that happening with Jeb Bush, he might have very well gotten to the same position That Donald got into.

02:36:43.000 I mean, when you looked at all the other people, he at least had that familiar name.

02:36:46.000 People might have been inclined.

02:36:48.000 He didn't have any real crazy, like, Horrible stories in the past that got brought up immediately.

02:36:56.000 He could very well, and they would have continued that family dynasty.

02:36:59.000 The Clinton family dynasty is another disturbing one.

02:37:01.000 You know, that's a weird dynasty, you know?

02:37:04.000 Is Chelsea next?

02:37:06.000 Is Michelle Obama next?

02:37:08.000 Oh, yeah, I think she's definitely next. 0.78

02:37:09.000 That's the question, man.

02:37:10.000 That's the big question.

02:37:12.000 She would be excellent.

02:37:13.000 She's like a really good speaker.

02:37:17.000 She's very intelligent.

02:37:19.000 She's very articulate.

02:37:21.000 She's very measured and composed and stately.

02:37:25.000 As McGregor said in the fight, she has lots of attributes.

02:37:29.000 She has a lot of attributes.

02:37:31.000 Yeah, I mean, and she carried herself extremely well for eight years in the White House under some incredible pressure. 0.80

02:37:38.000 I mean, I don't know what her responsibilities were or what her days looked like, but she's never made a misstep.

02:37:46.000 There's never been an embarrassing interview.

02:37:48.000 Nothing important, yeah.

02:37:49.000 Nothing.

02:37:51.000 Much less controversy than Hillary Clinton.

02:37:54.000 Much less.

02:37:55.000 Because even before she tried to run for president, there was always the Whitewater thing that she was connected to.

02:38:02.000 The Vince Foster thing that she was connected to.

02:38:04.000 Have you seen that meme?

02:38:05.000 They're doing all these Joe Biden memes.

02:38:08.000 Have you seen the recent Joe Biden meme?

02:38:10.000 The one with...

02:38:11.000 See if you can find it.

02:38:13.000 I think I retweeted it.

02:38:14.000 I retweeted it yesterday.

02:38:16.000 Somebody tweeted it to me.

02:38:17.000 It was Joe Biden and Obama laughing about Hillary having something in common with Monica Lewinsky now.

02:38:29.000 Yeah, pull it up so you can see it.

02:38:31.000 I don't want to blow it.

02:38:31.000 Check this out.

02:38:32.000 Look at this.

02:38:33.000 Look, it says, Joe, then I said, Hillary, now you and Monica have something else in common. 0.99

02:38:40.000 You blew it.

02:38:41.000 And then Obama, and he's laughing, throwing his head back laughing, and Obama's looking at him with his eyebrows raised, and it says, you know she kills people, right? 1.00

02:38:52.000 These are fucking great! 0.99

02:38:54.000 Do you think she's killed anybody? 0.99

02:38:58.000 That kid that got shot outside of his apartment at 4 o'clock in the morning, where they didn't take his cell phone, they didn't take his wallet, they didn't take his money, and he, according to WikiLeaks, is the one that leaked all those documents about the DNC and the DNC favoring Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders.

02:39:16.000 Who knows what else that guy knew, if that was the guy, if that is the case.

02:39:21.000 I don't know.

02:39:23.000 But it doesn't seem more likely that even if they were murders because of some Hillary Clinton connection, that she wouldn't know about it.

02:39:31.000 Perhaps.

02:39:32.000 Just somebody who thought, well, I'm going to change history, do a favor.

02:39:35.000 Perhaps.

02:39:36.000 Perhaps.

02:39:37.000 But...

02:39:38.000 This is also the woman who was attributed in an email, whether or not it's correct, she said about Julian Assange, can't we just drone that guy?

02:39:48.000 This guy's thumbing his nose at America.

02:39:50.000 Can't we just drone him?

02:39:52.000 All right, so I don't want to drone him because I think he's done a great service.

02:39:57.000 I love buts.

02:39:59.000 But from the context of a government looking at this situation, if government secrets have been stolen and it's your job to make sure this doesn't happen and to get justice, that's actually kind of a fair question.

02:40:15.000 Because you're saying, what are all our options?

02:40:17.000 Well, it could be off-the-cuff, flippant statement that she didn't really take serious, like, can't we just drone him? 1.00

02:40:23.000 But she said some creepy shit. 1.00

02:40:24.000 One of the things that she said about Gaddafi, you ever see that interview where she's talking about, she goes, we came, we saw, he died! 1.00

02:40:31.000 Ha ha ha ha ha!

02:40:33.000 Have you seen that?

02:40:33.000 Yeah, that was startling and shocking.

02:40:37.000 It was after she hit her head.

02:40:38.000 Oh, really?

02:40:39.000 Yes.

02:40:40.000 That would explain it, wouldn't it?

02:40:42.000 100%.

02:40:43.000 Yeah.

02:40:44.000 Very irrational to think that way and very impulsive to say that out loud because you're dealing with the dissolving of a nation.

02:40:53.000 Libya is in complete total turmoil and has become a breeding ground for ISIS. And a lot of that can be attributed to it being completely destabilized by the United States Helping out all the people that wound up killing Gaddafi it doesn't mean Gaddafi wasn't a huge piece of shit and the world isn't better because he's dead Probably is but Libya is not better right now like Libya became completely unstable after that so that He came we came we saw he died ha ha ha ha ha That's 0.97

02:41:23.000 like laughing in the face of these poor unfortunate people who just got a shit roll of the dice and grew up in Libya and now they're stuck there and they're And you're right. 0.97

02:41:33.000 Is that a character from how skilled a politician she is to say something that's so clearly the wrong thing to say at the wrong time? 0.95

02:41:41.000 Well, when was the fall of Libya?

02:41:42.000 Was that 13 or 14?

02:41:45.000 I don't know.

02:41:47.000 Find out when Gaddafi died, when Gaddafi was killed.

02:41:49.000 I'll never forget it.

02:41:50.000 I'll tell you that. 0.99

02:41:51.000 That video was fucking terrifying. 1.00

02:41:53.000 The video of the rebels capturing him and they're sticking things up his asses. 1.00

02:41:57.000 2011. Hmm. 0.99

02:41:59.000 I believe the interview with her was in 2012 or 13. See if you could find that out.

02:42:06.000 If it's in 2012 or 13, it's entirely possible this is directly post-concussion and severe bleeding apparently on her brain.

02:42:17.000 Like she had some serious problems. 0.99

02:42:19.000 She's fucked up for like 12 months. 0.99

02:42:21.000 I don't think people realize that that can permanently change your personality. 0.99

02:42:24.000 Permanently?

02:42:25.000 The average person doesn't think that's a thing.

02:42:29.000 But I've seen it, you know, I have as well I've seen it many many many times because I'm in the head trauma business in a lot of ways because of my experience with the UFC But I know people that have been hit in the head outside of the UFC and have never been the same That is one of the the things that I've always said about Sam Kinison Sam Kinison had a great book written about him by his brother.

02:42:51.000 It's called my brother Sam Or Brother Sam.

02:42:53.000 It's a great book, especially for me.

02:42:55.000 I'm a huge Kinison fan.

02:42:56.000 But he basically says, Sam was one person, and then he got hit by a truck when he was a little kid and became a completely different person.

02:43:04.000 Became reckless and wild, and it came out of a head injury.

02:43:07.000 Yeah, the lack of control. 0.99

02:43:10.000 Didn't give a fuck! 1.00

02:43:11.000 Oh, oh! 1.00

02:43:12.000 That's where it came from.

02:43:13.000 Wow.

02:43:14.000 Yeah, like literally from brain trauma.

02:43:17.000 What is it?

02:43:18.000 This video that's got a million and a half videos was uploaded the exact same day it says he died.

02:43:23.000 Oh, okay.

02:43:24.000 How's that possible?

02:43:24.000 That she already interviewed and was recorded and this was up on...

02:43:28.000 I mean, it may be possible it happened like that morning.

02:43:31.000 Wow.

02:43:31.000 But that doesn't seem right to me.

02:43:34.000 Yeah, especially if you're saying that this same day is maybe that's amazing why she's giddy, but if that is the case Well, why don't you?

02:43:42.000 Find out because this is just one this is 1 million 542,000 CBS News interview with Hillary Clinton There it goes laughed about killing Gaddafi go to that that's for 2016 and let's see when it says it says flashback Maybe it was like right after and she was so giddy,

02:44:01.000 but if that's the case This is a link to that video I just pulled up.

02:44:04.000 Okay.

02:44:06.000 But what does it say in that article?

02:44:08.000 In that article that you're reading before you click on it?

02:44:10.000 See, flashback right there.

02:44:12.000 Yeah, what does it say there?

02:44:13.000 It doesn't say anything.

02:44:14.000 Well, he died in 2011, and she supposedly had the big head injury in 2012. So you can't even, like, blame it on that then.

02:44:23.000 I'll look into it one more.

02:44:25.000 If that's the case, you can't really blame it on that, because that means that she hit her head after this.

02:44:29.000 She was laughing, probably, about Gaddafi dying, and she fell.

02:44:33.000 Maybe when you laugh really hard and you're not that healthy, she was drinking?

02:44:37.000 Or...

02:44:38.000 You think she boozes it up? 1.00

02:44:39.000 Is that what you're saying, Scott Adams?

02:44:41.000 Well, you can't rule that out.

02:44:43.000 Definitely can't.

02:44:43.000 She doesn't look too healthy.

02:44:45.000 She's definitely not eating the best foods. 0.81

02:44:47.000 You know, I was saying that no matter how much she drinks, if she is a social drinker, and you know people who are just social drinkers who've had two drinks, let's say, you don't want them driving.

02:44:57.000 Right.

02:44:59.000 So why isn't that disqualifying for somebody who's going to be in control of the nuclear arsenal, who admits, yes, I'm a social drinker?

02:45:06.000 Now, in the past, you never had to ask that question, because it was two social drinkers running against each other, so you were going to get a social drinker no matter who got elected.

02:45:14.000 But Trump's the first time you had a non-drinker.

02:45:16.000 He doesn't drink at all?

02:45:17.000 No, no.

02:45:19.000 He hasn't had a sip of alcohol in his life.

02:45:21.000 Really?

02:45:22.000 Or a drug, he claims.

02:45:23.000 I'd like to get him drunk and high.

02:45:25.000 How about that? 0.69

02:45:26.000 Yeah.

02:45:26.000 It says she was being interviewed in Afghanistan on that day, and news hit.

02:45:30.000 So I guess that video was not being taped, or it wasn't supposed to be taped, but it was like an off-air kind of recording.

02:45:38.000 Oh yeah, it was definitely an off-air recording.

02:45:39.000 So that was right when it happened, and she was laughing about it right when it happened.

02:45:45.000 But that explains why she was out of character for her normal... 0.95

02:45:49.000 Yes, that does make sense.

02:45:50.000 She was giddy that they just killed this guy, and she was off-camera.

02:45:53.000 Yeah.

02:45:55.000 That makes sense.

02:45:56.000 That's a lot more logical.

02:45:57.000 I'm glad we solved this.

02:45:58.000 We solved it.

02:46:00.000 We should be Detective Scott Adams.

02:46:03.000 We solved a lot of things today.

02:46:04.000 I think we cleared up a lot of people's misconceptions about you that not only did you not vote for Trump, you don't vote.

02:46:11.000 You were essentially just looking at this thing as a person who knows a lot about persuasion.

02:46:18.000 And knows a lot about public speaking.

02:46:20.000 And when you were looking at this, you were going, this is, you're almost like watching a game.

02:46:25.000 You're watching a game play out.

02:46:26.000 And if you say, look, the Raiders are going to slaughter the Dolphins, it doesn't mean you hate the Dolphins.

02:46:30.000 It means you're looking at the actual line, the defensive line, the offense, the quarterback, you're going, I see where this game's going to go.

02:46:37.000 I thought when this whole thing started developing, the Trump candidacy, that it would open a crack in the universe where I could talk about this persuasion stuff and be believed.

02:46:47.000 And in order to be believed, my technique for that was last year I predicted so that when the day came when I was right, I would have enough credibility to say, okay, so the other things I said, maybe you should pay attention to them too.

02:47:01.000 So it was sort of a long game I was playing for credibility, and I thought that persuasion would be the most important variable.

02:47:09.000 It's certainly a huge variable in this world, as is what we discussed earlier, the ability to speak publicly with confidence.

02:47:17.000 Not just persuasion, but just to not look rattled.

02:47:20.000 You know, even if you're not persuaded, like, he's not getting defeated, even when he's losing.

02:47:27.000 And I would see, like, these debates, and I would say, well, she made some salient points, she seemed more articulate, she seemed smoother with her words, she seemed more stately, but he never felt like he lost.

02:47:37.000 He didn't act like he lost.

02:47:39.000 That's giant, too.

02:47:40.000 Yeah, people are, you know, they pick up their feelings from other people.

02:47:44.000 We just look at them and say, hey, he's happy.

02:47:46.000 Suddenly, I'm happy.

02:47:47.000 I'm just picking that up.

02:47:48.000 People walk in the room and they're downers, and your energy goes down as soon as they enter.

02:47:52.000 Well, watching someone super uncomfortable or unsuccessful is hard to do.

02:47:58.000 Like watching someone bomb on stage, very hard to do.

02:48:02.000 One of my great moments when I started to understand the world better is the first time I smoked pot in college, and for most of my college experience, I found this weird pattern that people were nicer to me if I had just gotten high.

02:48:21.000 And it was years before I realized that I was causing them to be nice.

02:48:25.000 Because you were nicer to them.

02:48:26.000 I was just relaxed.

02:48:27.000 And you were giving a better vibe out.

02:48:29.000 Gave out the vibe.

02:48:30.000 And I realized that I can control how they act simply by my emotional state.

02:48:35.000 Well, definitely we control how people react to us based on what kind of... 1.00

02:48:39.000 And I've given off the wrong energy before and you see it in people and you're like, ah, fuck. 0.99

02:48:43.000 Maybe you're too caught up in what you're doing, you don't want to be bothered, or whatever it is. 0.99

02:48:48.000 We've all been there before, and then we've all been on the opposite, where maybe someone's like, this guy's a dick, and you're like, really? 0.99

02:48:53.000 I just had a wonderful, pleasant conversation with him. 0.97

02:48:56.000 Because you interfaced with him in the perfect way, at the right time, with respect, and the guy lowered his guard and gave a little back to you, and you gave more to him, and then everybody's good.

02:49:07.000 I think we've all experienced both of those things.

02:49:10.000 And I think that's one of the problems with one-person accounts of any bad thing that went on.

02:49:16.000 And I've looked at some of this Trump stuff, and I'm like, man, what really did happen?

02:49:20.000 What really did happen with the Clinton accusations?

02:49:22.000 What was really going down between these two people? 0.98

02:49:25.000 Because one of them is talking about it, and the other one isn't, and we don't know what the fuck the answer is. 0.94

02:49:28.000 And I think that that's often the case. 0.99

02:49:31.000 It's like the actual reaction that people have, they want to think that the other person was being a dick, but maybe you were being something negative, too, and they reacted to that, and then it compounded.

02:49:43.000 But maybe if Scott Adams was talking to the guy and used the exact same words, none of the disagreement would have taken place in the first place.

02:49:50.000 Right.

02:49:50.000 The messenger is always, you know, the message.

02:49:53.000 Well, we are more than one thing, and when human beings are interacting with each other, it's almost like we're putting on a combined effort, and we're piecing together a conversation,

02:50:08.000 and this conversation is a joint effort.

02:50:10.000 It's like we're both contributing to it, and it might come out terrible, but it might not be your fault.

02:50:16.000 It might be 100% my fault, or it might be 100% your fault.

02:50:19.000 But the way it comes out is because the two of us together didn't sync up.

02:50:24.000 And oftentimes you say, I met Scott Adams. 1.00

02:50:26.000 He's a fucking piece of shit. 1.00

02:50:28.000 But it's not really you. 1.00

02:50:29.000 It might just be the way...

02:50:30.000 I hear that a lot.

02:50:31.000 How dare you?

02:50:32.000 But it might be the way this person talked to you.

02:50:35.000 They might have started out right off the bat trying to joke around and said something rude or said something they thought was funny and you didn't or caught you at a bad time or...

02:50:46.000 Yeah, I just try to be aware that I'm causing people to be the way they are more often than, you know, you imagine.

02:50:54.000 Well, I also got to think that being the president has got to be...

02:50:57.000 I mean, you want to look at yourself the way the world looks at you, the harshness of the view of the people on the outside looking in.

02:51:06.000 There's no better way than to be the president. 0.99

02:51:08.000 I mean, he's got people walking down Wilshire, blocking traffic, screaming they fucking hate him. 0.74

02:51:15.000 If anything's going to cause you a narcissist, clearly, obviously, the guy has a great love for himself, which is part of his success, part of why he puts his name on the buildings. 0.96

02:51:25.000 He has a great love for himself.

02:51:27.000 That takes a hit when you see thousands of Americans, hundreds of thousands, in fact, wandering down the street with signs saying they hate you.

02:51:36.000 I don't know.

02:51:37.000 You don't think so?

02:51:37.000 I'm not sure it does, because you probably have your critics as well.

02:51:42.000 They're not blocking traffic. 0.99

02:51:44.000 Can you imagine if the fucking people that hated you were blocking traffic? 1.00

02:51:48.000 Fuck Dilbert! 1.00

02:51:49.000 And they just had this gigantic stream of people with chants. 1.00

02:51:54.000 Donald Trump, KKK, racist, sexist, anti-gay. 1.00

02:51:58.000 And they're screaming. 0.99

02:51:59.000 You know none of these things are true.

02:52:00.000 I just imagine myself in the Oval Office.

02:52:02.000 I'm looking out the window.

02:52:04.000 I'm the president.

02:52:05.000 And I see the protesters.

02:52:06.000 And I'm thinking, I'm not having a bad day.

02:52:09.000 I'm the president of the United States.

02:52:11.000 So I think it gets lost in the noise after you get elected.

02:52:16.000 I mean, if civilization breaks down, that's another story.

02:52:18.000 But you're talking about a guy that if someone tweets something negative about it, he's got to tweet back. 0.99

02:52:22.000 You're talking about a guy, if somebody writes an article about him in the Wall Street Journal, he'll go on his Twitter page and call that magazine or that newspaper a piece of shit. 0.97

02:52:29.000 The failed New York Times still won't stop lying about me. 0.94

02:52:32.000 This is not a guy who's immune to the impact of criticism against him.

02:52:35.000 So if that criticism is coming in the form of hundreds of thousands of people protesting, the idea that he's going to suddenly become enlightened enough to ignore that totally...

02:52:45.000 Don't miss the pattern.

02:52:47.000 He attacks professionals.

02:52:49.000 So he goes after people who are in the cage.

02:52:52.000 If you're not in the cage, you're cool.

02:52:55.000 So those people on the street that are just screaming and...

02:52:58.000 What has he said about the protesters?

02:53:01.000 I think what he said is kind of interesting because I think what he did say is that it's great that they have these rights to protest and he likes the fact that they're all getting together and voice their opinion, but we're all going to work this out together.

02:53:12.000 And he likes their energy or something like that?

02:53:13.000 Yes, something like that.

02:53:14.000 So that's my point.

02:53:17.000 Yeah.

02:53:17.000 If the parade had been led by a reporter from the New York Times, he would have eviscerated the professional.

02:53:25.000 Right.

02:53:25.000 And he wouldn't have touched anybody behind him because they're the citizens.

02:53:29.000 Right.

02:53:29.000 Yeah.

02:53:30.000 No, that's a good point.

02:53:32.000 You make a very convincing argument for this all being a positive event.

02:53:37.000 And I think one of the best arguments for it being a positive event is this is the first time ever we've had someone who has no political background or aspirations, and they're already famous and successful, and they become the president.

02:53:52.000 So we're going to get to see.

02:53:53.000 And there's a guy who wants to dismantle a system.

02:53:55.000 Like one of the things he said about passing bills, when you pass a new bill, you've got to get rid of two old ones.

02:54:00.000 And I was like, whoa.

02:54:02.000 Regulations.

02:54:03.000 Excuse me. 1.00

02:54:03.000 You know, my first reaction to that was, oh, that is a stupid oversimplification. 1.00

02:54:08.000 But I'll bet there are enough old laws that they want to get rid of anyway that for a long time you could get rid of two for one. 0.87

02:54:16.000 Yeah. 0.65

02:54:16.000 Yeah, there might be some ridiculous ones that we could get rid of. 0.65

02:54:19.000 It's entirely possible.

02:54:20.000 You can't do that rule forever.

02:54:23.000 Right, of course.

02:54:24.000 For a while.

02:54:25.000 Deregulation, when it comes to environmental efforts, is one thing that terrifies people.

02:54:30.000 And this climate denier concern, that's a real issue.

02:54:34.000 That's something that can affect us.

02:54:36.000 You want to talk about that?

02:54:37.000 Sure, please.

02:54:37.000 Because people have been begging me...

02:54:39.000 Please. 0.99

02:54:40.000 ...to give any argument that doesn't make Donald Trump look like a science retard. 0.95

02:54:45.000 Okay. 0.87

02:54:45.000 I'm sorry, I shouldn't use that word. 0.87

02:54:47.000 I apologize.

02:54:47.000 Use it.

02:54:47.000 It doesn't have any bearing on science.

02:54:49.000 It's not a medical term. 0.99

02:54:51.000 Retard is people that are retarded. 1.00

02:54:54.000 They're slow to catch on. 1.00

02:54:56.000 We're not talking about mental illness. 1.00

02:54:58.000 We're talking about retards. 1.00

02:55:00.000 All right.

02:55:01.000 But I apologize if anybody was offended.

02:55:03.000 How dare you.

02:55:03.000 I'm going to do that anyway.

02:55:04.000 Don't you do it.

02:55:06.000 So here's my best argument.

02:55:09.000 Let's say I'll just play lawyer for a second and I'm going to defend Donald Trump's climate change position, which disagrees with all of science.

02:55:19.000 So you're starting from a deep hole, right?

02:55:21.000 So you acknowledge that I've got a tough task here to defend this.

02:55:24.000 Right.

02:55:24.000 And what's the state's opinion for?

02:55:26.000 What is his position first?

02:55:28.000 His opinion is that we don't need to actively work on climate change.

02:55:33.000 Rather, he would rather work actively on cleaning the air and the water.

02:55:38.000 And I think he thinks that gets us to the same place.

02:55:42.000 And it might.

02:55:44.000 Here's my argument.

02:55:46.000 I believe, and again, I'm going to speculate a little bit here, so I don't want to put too many words into the president's mouth, but I think that he's separating the data collection part of the science, which is you've measured things, and sure enough, temperatures seem to be changing in historically significant ways,

02:56:01.000 and sure enough, humans seem to be behind some part of that change.

02:56:05.000 I think Trump accepts that.

02:56:08.000 The second part of it is not the data collection.

02:56:11.000 It's the complicated models that predict what happens with all this data. 0.96

02:56:16.000 I think that Trump thinks that those models are unreliable and not credible and probably bullshit, just like he thought the polls were inaccurate. 0.95

02:56:27.000 Remember, you just watched him defy every expert in the world. 0.96

02:56:31.000 100% of pollsters said, no, Donald Trump, look at our numbers.

02:56:35.000 This could not be more clear.

02:56:37.000 It's independent people.

02:56:38.000 These are legitimate professionals.

02:56:40.000 There's no freaking way that you win with these numbers.

02:56:44.000 And Donald Trump said, I don't believe the polls.

02:56:47.000 And it was right.

02:56:48.000 Donald Trump was right.

02:56:49.000 Right, but there's a big difference between poles and scientific measurements of our carbon footprint.

02:56:54.000 No, I'm not saying they're the same thing, so I'm not going to leap and say case closed based on that.

02:56:59.000 I'm just going to say that through our history, if you're trying to find the context, how many times have we built a complicated model on that scale?

02:57:08.000 And got it right.

02:57:10.000 So there's nobody who's doing a good job of predicting where the economy will be next year.

02:57:15.000 Those are very similar in the sense that there's lots of variables and different models and stuff.

02:57:20.000 That turns out to be just random.

02:57:22.000 Yeah, but the economy is largely based on confidence.

02:57:26.000 There's a bunch of factors involved in the economy.

02:57:28.000 How much is involved in the atmosphere?

02:57:30.000 I mean, can the models figure out that there's a volcano over here, something happened in the ocean that you didn't expect, some seaweed died?

02:57:43.000 Hold on.

02:57:43.000 You don't think they've accounted for that when they're talking about the models of the Earth being warmer every year?

02:57:48.000 For the past decade and scientists being incredibly concerned that have been studying this their whole lives, seeing unprecedented levels of change.

02:57:57.000 You don't think that that's...

02:57:58.000 I think that here's where the analogy to the polling is similar.

02:58:02.000 We all thought the polling was reliable because it's sort of math and the science seems to work.

02:58:09.000 What you realize later is that there was a whole bunch of judgment that went into which variable to include and, you know, assumptions about who's going to show up on polling day.

02:58:18.000 And nobody could have any good idea what was going to happen.

02:58:21.000 So the most important part of the models was literally just people sitting in the room saying, I don't know, I think it'll be like last time.

02:58:28.000 You think that's the case with science, though, and with climate change?

02:58:31.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.

02:58:33.000 I think that it seems likely, and again, this would be subject to smarter people correcting me, and I could easily be corrected on this.

02:58:41.000 I think that when you have big, complicated models and lots of people working on it, there are probably places in which people are using judgment.

02:58:48.000 For example, and this would just be a, you know, just to make the point, there may be two sets of data And you could say, well, this one seems more reliable than that one because of whatever.

02:58:59.000 So I would think that probably different scientists could get wildly different projections, and all of them tapping the same source of data, just like the pollsters got the wrong answers, but they're all looking at the same data.

02:59:12.000 I see what you're saying, kind of, but I really don't see the connection between that and the polls, because everybody knows the polls is based on a very small group of people, whereas the vast majority of the population is largely uncounted.

02:59:26.000 Like, we really weren't, we were guessing and gauging their opinion.

02:59:31.000 But that wasn't the problem, because polling is scientific enough that it can capture...

02:59:35.000 In some way, but the conceit is.

02:59:38.000 I mean, you have to admit that There's a certain percentage that we absolutely know we're not measuring those people.

02:59:43.000 When you're talking about the temperature of the earth, you're absolutely measuring.

02:59:48.000 I mean, you're measuring the climate all over the globe.

02:59:51.000 You're actually measuring the sheer hard numbers.

02:59:54.000 There's no opinion based on, there's no fluctuation of opinion.

02:59:57.000 I'm agreeing with you that the data collection is probably pretty solid because there isn't enough So the interpretation of the data is what you're disagreeing with?

03:00:06.000 By the time you put it into an economic model, there's almost certainly a judgment call that somebody doesn't think is a judgment call.

03:00:15.000 That's almost guaranteed to be part of the model-building procedure.

03:00:19.000 Now, I would love for somebody to educate me on this, because I've never talked to somebody whose job it is to build a climate model.

03:00:26.000 Like, I'd love to sit in a room and say, is there any part of this Where two people who are both experts could have picked a different variable.

03:00:34.000 And I'm almost certain that's the case because it's a lot of variables and it's complicated and it's always going to be the case.

03:00:40.000 Right, but when you have a mass consensus when it comes to scientists, you're not talking about politicians, you're not talking about CNN versus Fox News, you're talking about scientists, right?

03:00:49.000 We have a vast consensus that believe that we have a real issue with our carbon footprint and that we really need to slow down the amount of pollutants and the particulates that we put into the air.

03:01:00.000 So, is that a word?

03:01:02.000 Particulates?

03:01:02.000 No.

03:01:03.000 Particles?

03:01:03.000 What's the word?

03:01:05.000 What's the word? 0.95

03:01:06.000 The thing that people worry about a lot of is not just the carbon in the air, but also the fucking dirt, the dust, the actual pollution being... 0.93

03:01:17.000 So here's the third leg of my... 0.97

03:01:19.000 Particulates.

03:01:20.000 Yeah, I was right.

03:01:21.000 Okay.

03:01:21.000 Thank you.

03:01:21.000 Of my defense.

03:01:22.000 So Trump's thing is clean the water, clean the air.

03:01:25.000 Good move.

03:01:26.000 But it seems like that's going to get you to the same place, right?

03:01:28.000 Right.

03:01:29.000 Now let me give you another...

03:01:30.000 Maybe.

03:01:30.000 It gets really hot.

03:01:32.000 No.

03:01:32.000 Let me give you another analogy.

03:01:34.000 I put solar panels on my house when I built it nine years ago.

03:01:40.000 Those solar panels have saved me enough electricity and I can predict forward that I'll definitely get my money back from putting on solar panels.

03:01:47.000 Question, was it a good economic idea to put those solar panels on, knowing what you know, that the cost will more than be made up in my savings?

03:01:58.000 Was that a good idea for me to do?

03:02:00.000 Seems like it.

03:02:01.000 Wrong.

03:02:01.000 It was a terrible, terrible idea.

03:02:03.000 Wrong?

03:02:04.000 And I knew it at the time.

03:02:05.000 How so?

03:02:06.000 By the way, I have a background in economics.

03:02:08.000 That's my degree.

03:02:09.000 MBA from Berkeley.

03:02:11.000 Why is it a terrible idea?

03:02:12.000 Because I knew, and this is what happened, the cost of solar cells dropped so quickly that if I had simply waited three years and bought it then, I would have only lost three years of savings.

03:02:24.000 What I would have gotten at such a lower price that I would pay it back much faster, and then it'd be gravy from there on.

03:02:32.000 If you only wanted to look at it that way, if you didn't take into consideration the variable of you affecting the carbon footprint of the Earth by gathering up your electricity for three years due to conventional means.

03:02:44.000 So that's actually why I did it. 0.98

03:02:45.000 So I made a bad economic decision because what we call the stupid rich have to go first. 0.99

03:02:52.000 Yeah, but it wasn't a terrible idea. 0.99

03:02:53.000 It just wasn't a good idea economically.

03:02:55.000 It was a very good idea.

03:02:57.000 It wasn't a good idea economically.

03:02:58.000 Right, but only economically.

03:02:59.000 But I'm sure you consider all sorts of other variables.

03:03:02.000 All right, but all analogies break down ultimately.

03:03:05.000 How dare you.

03:03:06.000 But they're good for explaining a point.

03:03:09.000 They're not good for proving a point.

03:03:11.000 I like to say that.

03:03:12.000 So here's the analogy.

03:03:14.000 Odds are that technology is going to save us from climate change.

03:03:19.000 Really?

03:03:19.000 Yeah, they're already on the drawing board ideas for putting a giant hose into the upper atmosphere and somehow sucking bad things out into the space.

03:03:30.000 We're going to suck all the clouds out, too. 0.99

03:03:31.000 We're going to fuck it up. 0.99

03:03:33.000 But chances are... 0.86

03:03:36.000 Chances are, and again, you might not want to take this risk.

03:03:38.000 I'm not even saying you should.

03:03:39.000 But chances are, if you waited five or ten years and then got serious about it, you'd probably be in a better position because we'd have better technology.

03:03:48.000 And starting from that point, we'd just be in a better place.

03:03:52.000 Now, I'm not saying we should do that.

03:03:54.000 I'm just saying that you can't know that starting now is the smart thing. 0.83

03:03:58.000 Because like my solar panels, the technology is changing so fast that waiting a little bit until you really can get some purchase with some good technology and just go balls to the wall and say, all right, fucking $500 billion we're going to spend now because we got the solution.

03:04:14.000 Maybe this is a convenient way that you're interfacing with the software simulation that we're all trapped in.

03:04:20.000 You're choosing to take this path of success based on technological progression rather than based on taking care of Mother Earth.

03:04:30.000 Well, doesn't every model assume that everything stays the same and there's just more of it, right?

03:04:38.000 So here's one thing I can guarantee your climate change model does not include.

03:04:43.000 Okay. 1.00

03:04:44.000 Fucking hose to the upper atmosphere. 0.99

03:04:46.000 I never thought of it until you brought it up. 0.99

03:04:49.000 And isn't that going to be the biggest factor?

03:04:51.000 It will be the technological change that happens between now and then.

03:04:54.000 In fact, that's the whole point of alarming us.

03:04:56.000 So we'll work hard on the technological changes.

03:04:59.000 I thought they should make a skyscraper-sized air filter.

03:05:04.000 That's one of the plans.

03:05:06.000 Oh, okay.

03:05:06.000 There is something like that.

03:05:08.000 Yeah, then you could actually take that carbon out of the atmosphere and use it for fuel, right?

03:05:12.000 Burn it back.

03:05:14.000 I've seen some amazing things in headlines recently, but I never trust any of them.

03:05:19.000 It totally makes sense that if we can clean air in your house, like, you know, we have that right behind you right there for when people smoke cigarettes.

03:05:25.000 We have that air filter.

03:05:27.000 It's pretty powerful.

03:05:28.000 Like, someone can sit in your seat and smoke a cigarette, and this room will be bearable.

03:05:32.000 Wow.

03:05:33.000 Yeah.

03:05:34.000 You can do that.

03:05:35.000 And that's a very simple, portable unit.

03:05:38.000 Some buildings have very sophisticated units.

03:05:41.000 So I think the technology for scrubbing the atmosphere already exists.

03:05:45.000 It's just not...

03:05:45.000 Implementing it on a large scale.

03:05:47.000 It's not economical.

03:05:49.000 Yeah.

03:05:49.000 Just like my solar panels.

03:05:50.000 So the point is, if you started now and spent $500 billion, you might get a billion dollars worth of benefit because you don't have the right technology.

03:05:59.000 If you waited...

03:06:01.000 If you had the right technology and then put your effort into it, you might get it for cheap.

03:06:06.000 Okay.

03:06:06.000 We don't know that.

03:06:07.000 So that's a risk everybody has got to assess.

03:06:12.000 That is much more comfortable than the idea of a climate change denier perspective.

03:06:18.000 Like a climate change optimist. 0.83

03:06:21.000 Like, yeah, I know it's kind of fucked up now, but we've got some stuff in the works. 0.81

03:06:25.000 Don't worry, folks. 0.91

03:06:26.000 We looked at the progressions.

03:06:26.000 We're going to be fine.

03:06:28.000 Well, I think Trump is trying to have it both ways. 0.92

03:06:32.000 You know, he's got people he needs to satisfy on the right, but he doesn't want to be a crazy man on the left.

03:06:36.000 So he has to find some story that both people can find some comfort in, because this is, you know, such a big issue.

03:06:43.000 And I think that middle ground is where he's trying, he's sort of A-B testing it now by saying, let's clean the air, you know, clean the water.

03:06:51.000 Because how do you do that?

03:06:53.000 You can't.

03:06:53.000 No, you do all the same stuff, don't you?

03:06:55.000 Yeah, but you really can't do that yet.

03:06:57.000 You know, like clean all the water and clean all the air.

03:06:59.000 I mean, you would have to, like, oof.

03:07:00.000 Well, but the technologies to get there are going to be at least overlapping with whatever you need to do with climate change.

03:07:07.000 Hopefully.

03:07:07.000 Because you still want your electric car either way.

03:07:10.000 It's just a different way to get there.

03:07:12.000 You also got to think that whatever byproducts there are in the atmosphere and in the water, all that stuff could probably be used for something.

03:07:19.000 I mean, whatever these...

03:07:20.000 Yeah.

03:07:21.000 I think there's already, at least in the lab, they've made it useful.

03:07:26.000 That would be really fascinating if we figured out a way someday to get to a zero-emission state, you know, where everything we use gets recycled, we keep the air pure, and we just figured out a way to be completely efficient.

03:07:40.000 And how we burn things, or how we make things, or how we recycle things, and that we all...

03:07:46.000 I mean, it just seems like...

03:07:47.000 I think what you're saying economically.

03:07:49.000 If it becomes economically feasible, it becomes like this big financial boom in taking whatever the particulates and the carbon or whatever it is out of the atmosphere, and you make mass amounts of money from doing that.

03:08:04.000 People figure out a way to get really rich doing it.

03:08:07.000 Yeah, somebody's got to figure out a way to get rich.

03:08:10.000 Every solution has that in it, right?

03:08:12.000 And then somebody found out a way to get rich.

03:08:14.000 Okay, problem solved.

03:08:15.000 Is this one of the first podcasts you've done like this?

03:08:18.000 I've done other podcasts, but...

03:08:21.000 You sort of prepared yourself for something like this by doing periscopes.

03:08:23.000 Like, you're really good at these, like, long-form things.

03:08:26.000 Have you ever thought about doing your own podcast?

03:08:28.000 I have, actually.

03:08:29.000 I'm curious about it.

03:08:31.000 People are going to be mad at me right now. 0.83

03:08:32.000 They get fucking mad every time I tell somebody to do a podcast. 0.99

03:08:35.000 Because, like, dude, everybody shouldn't do a fucking podcast. 0.97

03:08:38.000 But I think you should do a podcast. 0.99

03:08:40.000 I really do.

03:08:41.000 I would be remiss if I did not bring it up.

03:08:43.000 People have been asking me.

03:08:44.000 Do it!

03:08:45.000 I can't tell you how many people just begged me to come on your show.

03:08:48.000 Really?

03:08:49.000 It's the single most requested thing of my year.

03:08:52.000 Wow. 0.99

03:08:52.000 Holy shit. 0.99

03:08:53.000 You specifically. 1.00

03:08:54.000 Wow.

03:08:55.000 Well, it was worth it.

03:08:57.000 For me, I enjoyed it.

03:08:58.000 Did you enjoy it?

03:08:59.000 I had a great time.

03:09:00.000 Yes.

03:09:00.000 We'll do this again?

03:09:00.000 This is a peak experience.

03:09:02.000 Let's do it again.

03:09:02.000 I would definitely do this again.

03:09:03.000 Let's do it once a year. 0.99

03:09:04.000 Let's come back in a year and we'll see how this fucking crazy plan's working out. 0.99

03:09:07.000 I'll do that. 0.99

03:09:07.000 Let's do it. 0.99

03:09:08.000 Sure.

03:09:08.000 Thank you, Scott.

03:09:08.000 I really appreciate it, man.

03:09:10.000 Thank you very much.

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03:09:22.000 What is the app?

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03:09:25.000 What is it?

03:09:26.000 Oh, it's a...

03:09:27.000 Imagine an Uber app without the Uber car where you and your friends can just see that you're meeting going toward the same location.

03:09:33.000 Oh, so if your friend says, oh, I'm stuck in traffic. 1.00

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03:09:38.000 Ooh, I like it. 1.00

03:09:39.000 Keep people responsible.

03:09:40.000 Thank you very much, Scott.

03:09:41.000 Really appreciate it.

03:09:41.000 I had a great time talking to you.

03:09:43.000 All right, likewise.

03:09:43.000 All right, folks.

03:09:44.000 We'll be back on Monday with Shannon the Cannon Briggs.

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The Joe Rogan Experience - November 17, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #874 - Scott Adams

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