The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #875 - Shannon Briggs

00:00:02.000 Two, one.

00:00:03.000 Boom! 0.99

00:00:04.000 And we're live.

00:00:05.000 Let's go champ. 0.96

00:00:06.000 The champ!

00:00:06.000 Let's go champ.

00:00:08.000 If you said anything else other than let's go champ is the first thing you said in the podcast, it would be a giant kiss.

00:00:13.000 We had to start it off right.

00:00:15.000 It's the champ!

00:00:16.000 Shannon the Cannon!

00:00:17.000 Let's go champ! 1.00

00:00:18.000 How did you get started doing this, man?

00:00:21.000 You would think that something as simple as let's go champ.

00:00:26.000 That would catch on.

00:00:27.000 How would that be so inspirational?

00:00:29.000 I see your videos every day.

00:00:30.000 I get pumped up.

00:00:31.000 Thank you, brother.

00:00:32.000 Thank you.

00:00:33.000 I appreciate it.

00:00:33.000 By the way, pleasure meeting you finally.

00:00:34.000 Pleasure meeting you too, man.

00:00:35.000 You too as well, champ.

00:00:36.000 Let's go champ. 0.96

00:00:37.000 I appreciate this.

00:00:38.000 I made it.

00:00:38.000 I'm here with you.

00:00:40.000 Your videos on Instagram get me fired up.

00:00:43.000 Thank you.

00:00:44.000 You're positive.

00:00:45.000 Thank you.

00:00:45.000 They're exciting.

00:00:46.000 They're fun.

00:00:46.000 They're real.

00:00:47.000 It's infectious.

00:00:47.000 It's real.

00:00:48.000 It's real.

00:00:48.000 It is real.

00:00:49.000 It's real, me.

00:00:49.000 It's me.

00:00:50.000 Dude, I've been a fan of yours as a boxer for a long time.

00:00:53.000 Thank you, brother.

00:00:54.000 But I love how you kind of reinvented yourself over the last few years.

00:00:58.000 Mm.

00:01:00.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:00.000 Like, you've reinvented yourself with social media.

00:01:05.000 Is this something you've always been doing privately?

00:01:07.000 You've been talking like this privately?

00:01:09.000 100%.

00:01:09.000 Like, you know, honestly, like, this is the first time in my life, I'm 44, I'll be 45 in December 4th in a few weeks.

00:01:18.000 This is the first time in my life, honestly, that I'm really being myself.

00:01:23.000 I'm not putting on a show for anybody.

00:01:25.000 I'm just showing my real personality, which I'm silly.

00:01:28.000 I'm goofy.

00:01:28.000 I'm serious at times.

00:01:30.000 I'm political at times.

00:01:31.000 I'm a family man.

00:01:32.000 I'm diverse.

00:01:33.000 You know, I love hip hop, but I don't like listening to rap lyrics.

00:01:36.000 So I just listen to beats.

00:01:37.000 So this is who I am.

00:01:38.000 And with the, you know, with the But thanks to social media, I'm able to just show it to the world.

00:01:43.000 And I let my guard down, to be honest with you.

00:01:46.000 I'm finally being like, I'm not trying to be a tough guy because I'm a boxer.

00:01:49.000 I'm just being who I am.

00:01:51.000 Well, it's fun, man.

00:01:52.000 You know, you can tell because there's no other forum where you would just have a camera pointed at you.

00:01:57.000 You're just saying, champ!

00:02:00.000 Champ!

00:02:01.000 And you're like mixing smoothies and talking about organic blueberries and all the healthy shit you eat.

00:02:06.000 That's it, champ.

00:02:06.000 It's very exciting, man.

00:02:08.000 You'll do a video just telling people to drink water.

00:02:11.000 That's true.

00:02:12.000 And you're like, fuck, man, I'm gonna go out and drink some water.

00:02:14.000 I'm serious.

00:02:14.000 You gotta stay hydrated, champ.

00:02:16.000 I listen to you as well, and you have a war on sugar. 0.92

00:02:20.000 They say a war on sugar.

00:02:21.000 I'm totally for that, because It destroys you, man.

00:02:25.000 It destroys you at every level, mentally, physically.

00:02:27.000 It just takes away from you.

00:02:28.000 So I try to tell people, you know, eating right and changing my diet changed my life.

00:02:34.000 I was, like, finished.

00:02:35.000 I was, like, gone.

00:02:36.000 I was 403 pounds.

00:02:38.000 I was out of boxing.

00:02:39.000 I was financially in ruin.

00:02:42.000 Changing my diet just totally made my life different.

00:02:45.000 Well, I love your story because I love a success story, but almost more than a success story, I love a success, then fuck your life up, then get it back together again story.

00:02:57.000 I like that because there's a certain amount of enthusiasm that you have that you know that you've seen dark days, but now you're back.

00:03:08.000 And that's part of the fun of what you're doing.

00:03:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:12.000 Thank you, thank you.

00:03:13.000 The sugar thing is a fucked up thing, isn't it?

00:03:15.000 Totally.

00:03:16.000 That most people don't know.

00:03:17.000 That's what screwed me up.

00:03:18.000 I told you, I was like, everyday McDonald's.

00:03:21.000 And this is after years of eating right and just letting myself go.

00:03:25.000 And that's a whole other story.

00:03:26.000 But I fell into deep depression.

00:03:28.000 I was just eating junk food all the time and Krispy Kreme.

00:03:31.000 And sugar was just part of my diet.

00:03:34.000 And it was making me crazy mentally.

00:03:35.000 I was suffering from depression.

00:03:37.000 I wanted to off myself for over two years.

00:03:40.000 I was contemplating Suicide Champ.

00:03:41.000 I was just like to the point I didn't have a clue what to do.

00:03:45.000 Although financially I was doing well.

00:03:47.000 I had got out of boxing.

00:03:48.000 I had got a job.

00:03:49.000 But I was just...

00:03:50.000 I had seen so much darkness in my life from a child.

00:03:54.000 And it was overwhelming because what I did, Joe, was throughout my life I would store things and put them in the closet.

00:04:00.000 I was told very young that you got to be the man of the house.

00:04:05.000 You gotta, you know, get over it.

00:04:07.000 So doing that when you're 11 years old, 12 years old, 8 years old, that becomes, you know, over time, I just, you know, it snapped.

00:04:15.000 Too much pressure.

00:04:15.000 Yeah, it was just too much pressure.

00:04:16.000 And then, you know, I'm a kid, honestly, fighting guys like George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, with very little amateur experience.

00:04:23.000 This is all happening fast.

00:04:24.000 So it just became, at the point, you know, when I got older, that was just like, hold on.

00:04:28.000 Well, when you were young, you were so hyped up.

00:04:30.000 You had this crazy look with the dreadlocks, and Teddy Atlas was behind you, and all these big names, and everybody was like, Shannon the Cannon Briggs is the next big thing.

00:04:38.000 And you had a lot of success, but there were some people that felt like you didn't live up to your full potential.

00:04:44.000 And then you went away for a little bit, and then you came back, and you look better than ever.

00:04:49.000 Right, right.

00:04:50.000 Honestly, this is like my third comeback.

00:04:53.000 Maybe fourth, to be honest with you.

00:04:56.000 This is like my fourth comeback.

00:04:58.000 Because I've always had a foot in boxing, but it was really something that I was really dedicated to or had the right team behind me.

00:05:06.000 It was always something that was to get me by, to make a living.

00:05:10.000 And it's finally come to the point now, at 44, being 45, I think about three, four years ago, when I got to the point where I was like, you know what?

00:05:17.000 I know I'm good at this.

00:05:19.000 This is a talent that I've had because I've had one foot in and one foot out and I've done great.

00:05:24.000 You know, they say you can't cheat boxing.

00:05:25.000 I won the heavyweight title twice.

00:05:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:05:27.000 Not that I cheated boxing, but I never...

00:05:30.000 I had the stability and the deep backing.

00:05:34.000 I had a team behind me, don't get me wrong, financially.

00:05:37.000 But I wouldn't say they were for my best interest in a sense, whereas it was a marketing.

00:05:42.000 I could bring in big money from investors and stuff like that.

00:05:46.000 But then it got to the point where I was like, you know what, Shannon, I'm better than that.

00:05:48.000 But I wasn't given the opportunity to have a real training situation.

00:05:52.000 I was on my own for a long time.

00:05:54.000 I've really been on my own, if you look at it since like 1995, when me and Teddy Atlas split.

00:05:58.000 I've basically been on my own with different trainers and different promoters and really no management.

00:06:03.000 Just doing what I had to do to make a living.

00:06:05.000 When you look back on your career, and you look back especially in the early days when there was so much hype behind you.

00:06:11.000 I mean, you were the next big thing out of Brownsville.

00:06:13.000 You were this guy that everybody was looking forward to.

00:06:15.000 This is going to be the next big heavyweight.

00:06:17.000 Is that too much pressure in a sense in a lot of ways?

00:06:21.000 Do you almost like not train a hundred percent to give yourself some excuses?

00:06:26.000 Is that possible?

00:06:27.000 It's possible I guess for other people wasn't for me What was what was going on for you back then?

00:06:31.000 Like what was that like to be that young up-and-coming prospect with all those eyes on them, right?

00:06:37.000 That wasn't really it was overwhelming in a sense It was fun, don't get me wrong, but it was overwhelming in a sense where it's like, I knew I wasn't ready.

00:06:45.000 I had a very limited amateur background.

00:06:47.000 From day one, I was put on the top level.

00:06:50.000 I mean, I had 10 amateur fights.

00:06:51.000 I was on the USA team.

00:06:52.000 I fought Felix Zavone, who had 300 fights, when I had 18 amateur fights on ABC Wild World of Sports.

00:06:58.000 This was a little overwhelming for me.

00:07:00.000 I mean, 18 amateur fights, and here I'm fighting a guy, a gold medalist.

00:07:04.000 Right.

00:07:04.000 But, you know, it happened.

00:07:05.000 So I kind of started out young knowing that, you know what, you're going to be on a big screen.

00:07:09.000 You're going to be out there, although you're not prepared.

00:07:11.000 So you felt like you were always playing catch-up?

00:07:13.000 Always.

00:07:14.000 Until the last couple years where I was home making videos and had time to get in shape.

00:07:18.000 You know, I haven't had a drink in over five years.

00:07:21.000 I started drinking when I was 13 years old.

00:07:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:24.000 I was 13 years old, I was drinking.

00:07:25.000 I was homeless from when I was 13 to about 20 years old.

00:07:28.000 Living here and there.

00:07:29.000 So I've been on my own since basically since I was a kid, you know what I mean?

00:07:33.000 So when I was put on the amateur top level, I've always been in a situation where besides playing catch up, I'm on the big screen and I'm not ready.

00:07:45.000 But I gotta do the best I can.

00:07:47.000 And I've always done that.

00:07:49.000 And that's what I try to tell people.

00:07:50.000 Do the best you can.

00:07:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:51.000 Do the best you can because you never know.

00:07:53.000 But that I'm not ready thing seems to have been a constant theme.

00:07:57.000 Like that was always in the back of your head?

00:07:58.000 Right.

00:07:59.000 100%.

00:07:59.000 And that was confidence.

00:08:01.000 That's what confidence is.

00:08:02.000 If you go into any fight saying, damn, I'm not ready, you already have defeated.

00:08:07.000 And I was so talented that I could still overcome.

00:08:10.000 You know?

00:08:11.000 Right.

00:08:11.000 I fought George Foreman basically on my own.

00:08:14.000 I was in with Teddy.

00:08:14.000 We had split.

00:08:16.000 I met a guy down in, not a guy, a friend of mine is now, Carlos Abuene, and we trained for about eight weeks, and here I was battling George Foreman and got a close decision, but here I was, I didn't get knocked out, and I was happy with that, and I became the linear heavyweight champion.

00:08:32.000 I was like, wow, you know?

00:08:33.000 What is it like to beat George Foreman?

00:08:36.000 Unimaginable.

00:08:37.000 There's a Mount Rushmore of boxing when it comes to the heavyweight division.

00:08:40.000 For sure, George Foreman's on it.

00:08:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:44.000 Great guy.

00:08:45.000 It must have been a trip, too, to just be looking at him on the other side of the ring.

00:08:49.000 It was.

00:08:49.000 You know, again, I wasn't ready, but I was there.

00:08:52.000 You know, I wasn't ready confidence-wise.

00:08:55.000 You know, I just met the trainer.

00:08:56.000 We, you know, got with him.

00:08:57.000 He spoke no English.

00:08:59.000 All he would tell me is, give me a jump rope and say jump.

00:09:02.000 I jump rope, you know what I mean?

00:09:03.000 He spoke no English.

00:09:05.000 I spoke very little English, and I speak very little Spanish, but I understood work, and we just worked, and I won the title.

00:09:12.000 Wow.

00:09:13.000 Yeah, it was cool.

00:09:14.000 Vamos Campeon.

00:09:15.000 Vamos Campeon.

00:09:16.000 Is that where it came from?

00:09:17.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:09:18.000 Living in Miami, you know?

00:09:20.000 Now, when you split with Teddy Atlas, that was a big deal, too, because Teddy Atlas is like a notorious hardass.

00:09:26.000 I mean, he's the hardest of the hard.

00:09:28.000 I mean, even when you look at him, that big scar across his face, and he talks very brutally.

00:09:33.000 And he was open publicly, saying that he just didn't think that you were all in.

00:09:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:37.000 That was...

00:09:39.000 That was a real down point in my life where I really felt like that was one of the times where suicide definitely came into play.

00:09:47.000 And I know that may sound crazy, but the reason why is because, you know, when I got with Teddy, I was like 19, 20 years old, and he was very overbearing in a sense where it's like, you know, I wanted to make it.

00:09:59.000 You know, I was homeless.

00:10:00.000 I wanted to make it.

00:10:00.000 I was willing to do anything he said or what the management said to make it because it was either that or die in prison.

00:10:07.000 My dad was in prison at the time where he eventually died.

00:10:10.000 My mom was on drugs. 0.98

00:10:11.000 She was on heroin and crack. 1.00

00:10:12.000 So it was like, okay, I got a manager now and I got an opportunity to have a trainer, a guy, Teddy Ellis, who used to train Mike Tyson.

00:10:19.000 So I gave myself to him in a sense where I was like, anything he says I'm going to do.

00:10:23.000 And in doing so, um...

00:10:26.000 I felt like when we split and he went publicly and said that about me, it hurt so bad, Joe, because I looked at him like a father figure.

00:10:32.000 Because Chetty spent many days, I think, you know, tearing me down so he could control, you know, my mind.

00:10:39.000 And that was cool, you know, whatever.

00:10:40.000 I knew, I didn't come to him as a kid.

00:10:42.000 I came to him as a 1920-old.

00:10:45.000 So when we split and he went publicly, I was just at a down point.

00:10:48.000 Everyone, I was undefeated.

00:10:49.000 I lost on HBO, Night of the Heavyweights.

00:10:51.000 It was a big, you know, montage about me and everything.

00:10:54.000 And here I was the highlight of the show and I got knocked out by Darren Wilson in the third round.

00:10:58.000 And when Teddy went out, I was just like, damn, you know, what happened to the days when it was like me and you?

00:11:03.000 Like, you know, I was with him for three, four, five years almost.

00:11:06.000 And it was so much...

00:11:11.000 Mental telling me that, you know, without me, you're nothing.

00:11:14.000 And you don't have this, you don't have that.

00:11:16.000 But then fight time, you can do it.

00:11:18.000 So it was such a mental, you know, puppet type of thing.

00:11:21.000 When we split, I contemplated committed suicide.

00:11:24.000 I was in my management's basement.

00:11:25.000 I had a shotgun.

00:11:26.000 I was like, man, you know what?

00:11:28.000 Because, I mean, I was just in a bad place and everyone turned it back on me.

00:11:32.000 I mean, the newspapers ripped me apart.

00:11:34.000 And Teddy's influence with the writers and You know, the New York City crowd was so strong, he had built a great relationship with...

00:11:43.000 I don't want to put anybody out there, but he had built great relationships with certain writers, and everybody assaulted me.

00:11:50.000 I mean, this is crazy.

00:11:51.000 It was war on Shannon Briggs.

00:11:53.000 So I survived that, though.

00:11:54.000 So that was part of me saying, this is why I tell people I'm the champ, because I've never spoken about this publicly.

00:12:00.000 This is my first time.

00:12:01.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:12:02.000 You know, but you could probably hear the emotion in my voice, but I apologize.

00:12:05.000 But, you know, the whole thing is like...

00:12:09.000 That's part of the reason why I call myself the champ.

00:12:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:11.000 Because although when I beat Foreman, people say, oh, you really lost and this and that third.

00:12:16.000 I won the title.

00:12:17.000 That wasn't winning.

00:12:18.000 Winning was doing that when my mom had just died on my birthday.

00:12:22.000 That was, to me, why I'm the champ.

00:12:24.000 Because I went out there with...

00:12:26.000 You know, without a stable trainer, and I still fought and win 12 rounds.

00:12:30.000 That's why I'm the champ.

00:12:31.000 Then, you know, those type of moments in my life is why I say I'm the champ.

00:12:35.000 Winning the title again with one second left on the clock with Lyakovich, that's not why I'm the champ.

00:12:41.000 No, because I fought that fight with an asthma attack.

00:12:44.000 You know, I was born asthmatic.

00:12:46.000 The fact that I'm even boxing is unreal.

00:12:48.000 I spent my childhood in the hospitals.

00:12:51.000 I hardly got an education.

00:12:52.000 I dropped out of high school in the ninth grade, Joe.

00:12:56.000 Part of my school, they used to go on trips, was to come visit me in school because of my asthma.

00:13:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:13:01.000 So for me to become heavyweight champion in the world two times and about to be three very soon, this is an accomplishment for not only myself, but for asthmatics and people who didn't give up.

00:13:11.000 Because I wanted to give up when Teddy left me.

00:13:13.000 I wanted to give up, champ.

00:13:14.000 Well, people who don't know boxing maybe don't know the legend of Teddy Atlas and how he directly connects to Customato and the early hard days of the Tyson camp.

00:13:25.000 You know, Teddy's a famous motivator, I would say, in a lot of ways.

00:13:31.000 But I think there's a certain amount of intoxication that comes from people telling you you're a great motivator and you start to believe it and buy it into yourself.

00:13:38.000 You remember the Tim Bradley fight?

00:13:40.000 Where he's in Tim Bradley's corner and he's like, We're firemen!

00:13:43.000 We fight fires!

00:13:45.000 What do firemen do? 0.57

00:13:46.000 They fight the fire!

00:13:48.000 I love Teddy.

00:13:48.000 Listen, it's hard for me to talk about this now because this is before the fame for Teddy.

00:13:56.000 When we met Teddy, I think he was working in a liquor store.

00:13:59.000 I'm not sure.

00:14:00.000 No disrespect, but that's just a fact.

00:14:03.000 And he wasn't doing well financially, and my manager was like, you know what?

00:14:06.000 I spoke earlier about he was a guy who can go out and raise capital.

00:14:10.000 And he had this young kid from the same neighborhood as Mike Tyson.

00:14:13.000 I had just won the National, excuse me, the U.S. Olympic Championships, 92. And he was able to go out and get a guy and say, look, back my guy.

00:14:23.000 You know, like a racehorse.

00:14:24.000 You know, let's keep it real.

00:14:25.000 And he got this famous trainer to train his own racehorse.

00:14:28.000 And it was Teddy Alice.

00:14:29.000 And I submitted.

00:14:31.000 I was like, hey, whatever.

00:14:32.000 Listen, it was this or jail.

00:14:34.000 I said, Dad was in prison.

00:14:36.000 My stepdad was in prison.

00:14:37.000 Mom is in the streets.

00:14:39.000 And the manager was like, hey, you know what?

00:14:41.000 Sign with me.

00:14:42.000 I'm going to put your mom in rehab. 1.00

00:14:44.000 And I was like, hell yeah, okay?

00:14:46.000 He did everything he said he was going to do.

00:14:47.000 And he believed in Teddy.

00:14:49.000 And I believed in Teddy.

00:14:51.000 And Teddy, in the process, I watched him say, he told me I would never be a commentator because he doesn't feel it is right to talk about fighters.

00:15:01.000 This is what he told me.

00:15:02.000 He said he would never be a commentator.

00:15:03.000 Never.

00:15:03.000 But of course he is a commentator.

00:15:05.000 This was before he became a commentator.

00:15:06.000 Yeah, so he decided to become one.

00:15:07.000 Right.

00:15:08.000 A lot of things that were said...

00:15:13.000 Basically, when we split and he went on television, New York won and said, hey, you know, he didn't think I had this in the third.

00:15:19.000 I was like, damn, all the times that we were winning, it was we.

00:15:22.000 When I lost that one time, it was me.

00:15:24.000 So, you know, I just, you know.

00:15:26.000 There's not an exact science to motivating people, right?

00:15:29.000 There's not an exact science to training and a lot of the relationship between a trainer and a fighter comes to, like, A perfect trainer for you might not be a perfect trainer for another guy.

00:15:37.000 You've got to have that bond together, and whether you do or you don't, you don't find out until you're in there, right?

00:15:43.000 Now, looking back as a man now, as an accomplished man, and you look back on your days when you were 19 or 20, what do you think would have been different?

00:15:50.000 What would you have done to motivate yourself or to talk to yourself differently back then?

00:15:56.000 You know, what I'm doing now, to be honest with you, I honestly tell you, Joe, like, what I'm doing right now, I'm being free.

00:16:03.000 You know, everyone's not that type of fighter.

00:16:04.000 You know, he worked great for, I guess, certain people.

00:16:07.000 I'm not that type of guy.

00:16:08.000 Look, I'm a funny guy.

00:16:09.000 I like to have fun.

00:16:10.000 I like to laugh.

00:16:11.000 I like to bug out.

00:16:11.000 You know, I like to live.

00:16:14.000 You know, I'm happy.

00:16:14.000 I'm a happy guy.

00:16:15.000 Teddy is not—we different in that way.

00:16:17.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:16:18.000 And for a long time—look, for example, Ali.

00:16:21.000 Ali.

00:16:22.000 Ali trained to Archie Moore.

00:16:24.000 He trained to other trainers before he got to Dundee.

00:16:26.000 Dundee knew how to train Ali.

00:16:27.000 Let him do him.

00:16:28.000 And this is what I'm doing now.

00:16:30.000 People say, you know, my guys who work with me, Jesse Robertson, Stacey McKinley, the great Stacey McKinley, the great Jesse Robertson, these guys know how to train me now.

00:16:38.000 And although I'm 44, I'll be 45, I've learned later on in life how to just be me.

00:16:44.000 Be free.

00:16:45.000 This works for Shannon Briggs.

00:16:46.000 Win, lose, or draw, it works for Shannon Briggs.

00:16:48.000 Opposed to being someone else because someone else said, and I've done a lot of that.

00:16:52.000 And it became a syndrome where it's like, you know, I grew up in this with a manager, with a trainer and an investor.

00:17:00.000 It became like a process for me to go through it over and over and over again.

00:17:03.000 It's linked to the point where you're a man, champ.

00:17:05.000 Do you feel like all these people were trying to shape you and you were resisting it or you were confused by it?

00:17:10.000 I was going along with the program, champ.

00:17:12.000 You know, whatever, you know, survival.

00:17:14.000 You know, go along with the program.

00:17:16.000 The hardest thing for me in my life was being homeless.

00:17:19.000 You know, being a homeless teenager and losing my home because it wasn't like something that I was used to.

00:17:24.000 I came home from school one day.

00:17:25.000 I was going to Bishop Lachlan High School and I came home and we were evicted.

00:17:29.000 And I looked in the peephole and I looked and the apartment was empty.

00:17:33.000 And I lived it all my life.

00:17:34.000 I was born and raised in Atlantic Towers, you know?

00:17:36.000 So that was a turning point for me.

00:17:39.000 I left that building that day a homeless teen, homeless kid.

00:17:44.000 And no more comic books, no more toys that I grew up, you know?

00:17:47.000 And now, people who look at me on the Gram, they see my personality.

00:17:52.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:17:53.000 They see the comic book side of me.

00:17:54.000 They see the television side of me.

00:17:55.000 Whereas, I lost my childhood that day.

00:17:58.000 When I went home and we were evicted, that day became like, I had to become a man that day.

00:18:03.000 I took the bus to my aunt's house and, you know, that night she kicked us out.

00:18:09.000 So my life was no longer had a color TV in my room and, you know, it was all about survival.

00:18:15.000 You know, I started getting in trouble and life took me to where I am now.

00:18:18.000 Wow.

00:18:19.000 And you were boxing at the time too?

00:18:21.000 Nah, never boxing.

00:18:22.000 When did you start boxing?

00:18:23.000 I started boxing when I was like 16, 17. So you started boxing as you were homeless?

00:18:28.000 Yeah.

00:18:28.000 Wow.

00:18:29.000 And how were you doing that?

00:18:30.000 Like, where were you sleeping?

00:18:32.000 Different places, sometimes an aunt's house, a cousin's house, a friend's house, you know, sometimes a shelter, wherever I could, to be honest with you.

00:18:41.000 And so it wasn't until you started having some success as a boxer that you stopped being homeless?

00:18:46.000 Yeah.

00:18:46.000 Yeah, well, I got an apartment.

00:18:49.000 Rest in peace, Jimmy O'Farrill, my savior.

00:18:52.000 I found his gym, Starrett City, when I was about 16 years old.

00:18:55.000 And I slept there many nights, too.

00:18:57.000 I would stay in the gym.

00:18:58.000 And that's kind of what came...

00:19:00.000 It's funny, because boxing always drew me back in.

00:19:03.000 Because...

00:19:04.000 I might get in trouble, go to jail, get arrested or whatever as a teen.

00:19:08.000 And if I wanted to get out of trouble, I'd have to go to get Jimmy O to hopefully sign for me for probation or something like that.

00:19:14.000 And then I'd have to use the gym as my residence.

00:19:18.000 I sleep in the gym, man.

00:19:19.000 It was freezing many nights, but it's what I had to do.

00:19:21.000 And so I was drawn back to boxing.

00:19:23.000 I always had the talent.

00:19:27.000 For instance, let me tell you this.

00:19:29.000 My first guy to ever give me some money was Shelly Finkel.

00:19:32.000 Wow.

00:19:33.000 The first guy was like 17 years old, 18 years old.

00:19:35.000 He was looking for me.

00:19:36.000 He was crawling around gym to gym.

00:19:37.000 They said, that kid's homeless.

00:19:38.000 It got back to me.

00:19:40.000 And Shelly Finkel was looking for me.

00:19:41.000 I couldn't believe it because Shelly Finkel was, you know, Shelly Finkel.

00:19:44.000 Legendary boxing character.

00:19:46.000 And I never forget, I swear to God, I went to see him.

00:19:49.000 I went to see him, Joe.

00:19:50.000 And he gave me five grand.

00:19:53.000 He was like, you're going to make it.

00:19:54.000 He said, I want, you know, seeing you, you know, with my team or whatever.

00:19:57.000 I was like, I couldn't believe it.

00:19:58.000 And I leave this building.

00:20:00.000 I leave his building.

00:20:01.000 I'm in the train station, Joe.

00:20:03.000 And I take out the money to get a token.

00:20:05.000 This is when they had the token booth.

00:20:07.000 And this had to be like 89, 90. And a guy seen me with the money.

00:20:13.000 I was homeless at the time.

00:20:14.000 He seen me trying to get a token.

00:20:16.000 I took out one of the hundreds.

00:20:17.000 He tried to rob me on the train.

00:20:19.000 He followed me.

00:20:21.000 I couldn't believe it.

00:20:22.000 I had never seen $5,000, let alone I had it in my pocket, right?

00:20:26.000 And I'm thinking this, right?

00:20:27.000 So he tries to rob me on a train.

00:20:29.000 Bro, I beat this crap out of him.

00:20:33.000 It was crazy, Chad.

00:20:34.000 Picked the wrong dude.

00:20:35.000 Yeah.

00:20:35.000 Now, when you went that long period of your life where you're boxing consistently and then you stopped for a while, what was going on there in your life?

00:20:47.000 Let me see.

00:20:48.000 How long did you stop for?

00:20:50.000 Just three.

00:20:50.000 How many years?

00:20:51.000 A year here, two years here, three years here.

00:20:53.000 I wasn't consistent.

00:20:54.000 I wasn't consistent.

00:20:55.000 Again, man, it goes back to the confidence, you know?

00:20:58.000 Just never really had the confidence to really want to do it.

00:21:02.000 To just really feel like I had my feet solid in the ground.

00:21:07.000 And these last couple years gave me that.

00:21:08.000 It gave me the opportunity to just train nonstop.

00:21:12.000 Not that I'm making up for lost time, but I call it making up for lost time because I'm training every day nonstop.

00:21:17.000 I get my rest, of course, but I've dedicated my last four years to this.

00:21:22.000 What made you decide to just clean everything up?

00:21:24.000 Eat healthy?

00:21:25.000 Stop drinking?

00:21:27.000 How did you make that decision to just stop and get it together?

00:21:31.000 I was suicidal, champ.

00:21:32.000 I was like, it's over.

00:21:33.000 I had a daughter.

00:21:34.000 I had my baby girl.

00:21:35.000 I have two sons, Chan Briggs, my boy.

00:21:37.000 I love him to death.

00:21:37.000 Let's go, champ.

00:21:38.000 He's 19. My son, Caden Briggs, who's 10 years old.

00:21:41.000 I love him, too.

00:21:42.000 Let's go, chap.

00:21:43.000 And my baby girl, Chloe.

00:21:45.000 And she changed everything.

00:21:47.000 She's four now.

00:21:47.000 And it was four years ago.

00:21:49.000 I always relate everything to four years.

00:21:51.000 Four years ago, my life changed.

00:21:53.000 She came, and she was a spitting image of my mom. 1.00

00:21:56.000 And I was just like, that was it.

00:21:59.000 So when she came out, I could see my mom and her.

00:22:02.000 And it was like, my mom reincarnated.

00:22:03.000 I'm the only child.

00:22:05.000 You know, here it was.

00:22:06.000 I was back with my mother again.

00:22:07.000 I could see it.

00:22:08.000 It was an ear.

00:22:09.000 It was like a ghost.

00:22:11.000 And then I was fat.

00:22:12.000 I was depressed.

00:22:12.000 And I held it every day.

00:22:13.000 I sat on the couch with her every doctor for one year straight.

00:22:17.000 Like 364 days.

00:22:18.000 I kid you not.

00:22:19.000 I sat.

00:22:20.000 My wife would... 1.00

00:22:20.000 In the morning, I would just give it to my wife to breastfeed. 1.00

00:22:24.000 I held it every day.

00:22:25.000 And then it was like 364 days.

00:22:27.000 I was fat.

00:22:27.000 I was a balloon.

00:22:28.000 I'd get up only to get, like, food, you know?

00:22:30.000 And I'd eat a big bowl of, a box of cereal.

00:22:32.000 I kid you not.

00:22:33.000 I'd put the milk in the fridge.

00:22:35.000 I'd put a whole box in a big, huge bowl.

00:22:38.000 My friend called it the Unger Bunger Bowl.

00:22:40.000 And I'd sit there and I'd eat a whole box, you know?

00:22:43.000 And I would hold her all day.

00:22:45.000 And then finally one day I said, you know what, bro?

00:22:46.000 You're going to kill yourself.

00:22:48.000 And I couldn't imagine her in this world, you know what I'm saying, having to do things to survive that some women have to do, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:22:56.000 And just looking at her and the love for her, I got up and I started walking, man.

00:22:59.000 I started saying, let's go, champ.

00:23:01.000 Let's go, champ, you know?

00:23:02.000 I had no entourage, no more friends.

00:23:04.000 My money was gone.

00:23:06.000 I had an entourage at one point.

00:23:07.000 I thought they jacked the show from me.

00:23:11.000 I had friends.

00:23:13.000 I had cars.

00:23:14.000 I had a lot of that.

00:23:15.000 That all disappeared.

00:23:17.000 And it was just me and my baby girl and my family, my wife.

00:23:19.000 Alana, shout out to my babe. 1.00

00:23:20.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:23:22.000 And it was just a lot of hurt and memories and anger.

00:23:26.000 And I was like, I got to fuel this, champ.

00:23:28.000 You got to put this in the right place.

00:23:30.000 And shout out to Teddy Atlas.

00:23:31.000 No disrespect.

00:23:32.000 I got nothing but love because I learned a lot from him.

00:23:35.000 Good and bad.

00:23:35.000 You know, I won't say bad, but the bad things that I survived, those things made me who I am today, and that's why I have a family.

00:23:41.000 That's why I'm able to, you know, be here with you today at 45 years old, because I'm strong, you feel me?

00:23:46.000 But one thing he told me, he told me a long time ago, 1992, he said, whatever your fuel is, whether it's anger, love, whatever, use it.

00:23:56.000 It may be for some people may say, oh, it's wrong because anger.

00:23:59.000 Some people may say, you know, oh, use positivity.

00:24:01.000 Use what you got to use.

00:24:03.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:24:03.000 Do what you got to do to get what you got to get.

00:24:05.000 And it was a lot of hurt and anger from my past.

00:24:09.000 From that situation, from other situations, other management, and, you know, I mean, I've been through so much, Champ, you know, I've been heavily involved with some of the biggest deals in probably this country's history, I kid you not.

00:24:20.000 Live Nation deal, I was involved with that.

00:24:22.000 I mean, one of the first reality shows, you look at The Contender, I was involved at the top level of things, you know, disappointments, things not happening, where I was heavily involved in, I got shagged.

00:24:32.000 So I was like, damn, you know what?

00:24:34.000 Four years ago, I was like, yo, you know what?

00:24:36.000 You've done everything, Shannon.

00:24:38.000 You've done business.

00:24:38.000 You did well.

00:24:39.000 You know, I didn't make money.

00:24:40.000 I haven't made much money in boxing.

00:24:42.000 You know, I'm around guys like British Bow and Holyfield every day, guys who've made hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:24:49.000 I'm lucky if I made $4 million, $5 million in boxing.

00:24:53.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:24:53.000 And the money I made, I've had...

00:24:57.000 It wasn't given to me, champ.

00:24:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:24:59.000 I've been shagged.

00:25:00.000 I'm going to keep it real with you.

00:25:01.000 I've been shagged.

00:25:02.000 So, you know, for me to...

00:25:04.000 I'm sorry I'm jumping around.

00:25:06.000 You know, I learned to use all that.

00:25:09.000 The feel from that.

00:25:10.000 The anger.

00:25:10.000 From getting shagged so many times.

00:25:12.000 Learning, champ, you're not a businessman.

00:25:14.000 You're a boxer.

00:25:15.000 Every time you was homeless.

00:25:17.000 Every time you was down and out.

00:25:19.000 Boxing saved you.

00:25:20.000 You ran back to boxing.

00:25:21.000 You was doing business.

00:25:23.000 You made this, you made that.

00:25:24.000 But boxing...

00:25:26.000 Having peace with that balancing act, like the negative moments that you had in your life not defining you and figuring out how to use them for fuel, figuring out how to look back on those negative moments and don't wallow in them but say that's never gonna happen again.

00:25:40.000 That's the great balancing act of the successful fighter because there's not a single successful fighter that hasn't come from some kind of conflict.

00:25:48.000 100%.

00:25:48.000 There's no other way.

00:25:49.000 But you know, I think We do this.

00:25:52.000 Some of us do this in hopes there is a finish line.

00:25:56.000 The finish line is you want to retire with money.

00:25:58.000 You want to hopefully leave a name for yourself.

00:26:01.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:26:01.000 And you want to walk away with your brains.

00:26:04.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:26:04.000 So, for me, I'm trying to leave with my brains.

00:26:07.000 I'm trying to leave with some money.

00:26:08.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:26:09.000 And I'm trying to leave with a name.

00:26:11.000 And I'm using that fuel...

00:26:13.000 I'm using my past and my present because I got to tell you the truth.

00:26:16.000 Although there is some past hurting, you can probably hear when I talk about certain things, there's so much positivity.

00:26:22.000 There's so much great things that's happening right now that's surpassing the disappointments.

00:26:29.000 So much positivity is happening right now, Champ, all around the world.

00:26:32.000 People saying, let's go Champ.

00:26:34.000 I couldn't imagine it, Champ.

00:26:35.000 I wanted to commit suicide.

00:26:37.000 And now I'm walking everywhere I go, people going, Champ!

00:26:42.000 Dude, I got texts from everybody.

00:26:45.000 When we put on Instagram that you were coming on here, I got texts from everybody.

00:26:49.000 Michael Bisping, UFC middleweight champion.

00:26:51.000 He was like, I love that guy.

00:26:53.000 Let's go champ. 0.96

00:26:53.000 That's my man. 0.96

00:26:54.000 So many people love you, man.

00:26:56.000 You are spreading so much fun and positivity through those posts.

00:27:00.000 Honestly, Champ, there's two tanks.

00:27:02.000 There's the disappointments and the hurt, and then there's the reality that right now I'm alive.

00:27:06.000 I survived bad food.

00:27:09.000 I survived myself drinking, Champ.

00:27:12.000 Champ, listen, at one point, Joe, they had me on Deprico, Seroquel, Xanax, Zoloft, and Paxil.

00:27:19.000 All together?

00:27:19.000 Not together, Champ, but they gave them to me.

00:27:22.000 Now, listen, I didn't take Deprico and Seroquel because I was like, come on, Champ.

00:27:26.000 What is that stuff?

00:27:27.000 It's like tranquilizers.

00:27:29.000 Jesus.

00:27:30.000 That's how bad I was.

00:27:31.000 They were trying to slow you down.

00:27:31.000 They were trying to kill the champ.

00:27:33.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:27:33.000 Get this big killer and go to sleep.

00:27:35.000 And I survived that.

00:27:37.000 That's why I'm the champ.

00:27:38.000 That's why I'm the champ.

00:27:39.000 Because I survived that.

00:27:40.000 It's overcome to be like, you know what?

00:27:42.000 I lost 160 pounds.

00:27:43.000 Look at me, champ.

00:27:43.000 You look great.

00:27:44.000 Look at me, champ.

00:27:44.000 Goddamn.

00:27:45.000 Look at me, champ.

00:27:46.000 And you're 44, almost 45. I'll be 45 in a week or two.

00:27:49.000 And people are ducking you like crazy.

00:27:51.000 Man, they don't want no piece of the champ.

00:27:52.000 They don't want no piece of the champs.

00:27:54.000 David Hayes said he was all in.

00:27:56.000 He said he was all in.

00:27:58.000 I'm sorry, I curse.

00:27:59.000 I apologize.

00:27:59.000 That's okay.

00:28:00.000 Curse away. 0.97

00:28:00.000 Let's go, champ. 0.97

00:28:03.000 David Hay was all in at one point.

00:28:04.000 Yeah, soft.

00:28:05.000 Saw too many left hooks in the liver.

00:28:07.000 Soft and a biscuit.

00:28:07.000 Soft and a biscuit, yeah, yeah.

00:28:09.000 What happened?

00:28:10.000 I went over to England, which I love, with my UK hat on.

00:28:12.000 You went over there just to fuck with him.

00:28:14.000 Man, totally.

00:28:14.000 You got an apartment.

00:28:15.000 Totally, totally.

00:28:16.000 Again, that's the feel.

00:28:19.000 That's the feel.

00:28:20.000 Like, honestly, I was down and out, champ.

00:28:22.000 Listen, so many days, you know, I was like, man, you know what?

00:28:25.000 I'm trying this thing, man, and no one's giving me a shot, and...

00:28:29.000 I'm like, you know what, man?

00:28:30.000 Maybe I should get a job.

00:28:32.000 I'm like, nah, you know what?

00:28:33.000 Then I woke up one day and guess what?

00:28:35.000 Snoop Dogg said, let's go, champ.

00:28:37.000 Really?

00:28:37.000 I swear to God.

00:28:38.000 I remember that.

00:28:39.000 He was smoking weed.

00:28:40.000 He was like, I'm fucking with you, champ.

00:28:41.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:28:42.000 Come on, champ.

00:28:43.000 That was the night before.

00:28:45.000 I was like, bro.

00:28:47.000 The night before, I was like, yo, bro.

00:28:49.000 You really trying, champ.

00:28:50.000 You have fights, man.

00:28:51.000 And maybe it's never going to happen for you.

00:28:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:28:53.000 I was like, yo.

00:28:54.000 And then I woke up like four or five in the morning.

00:28:57.000 Snoop Dogg was saying, let's go, champ.

00:28:58.000 I said, I'm back.

00:28:59.000 I said I'm back!

00:28:59.000 Let's go champ!

00:29:01.000 Let's go champ! 1.00

00:29:02.000 I said I'm back!

00:29:04.000 That was beautiful, man.

00:29:05.000 Yeah, champ.

00:29:05.000 Well, you've done some crazy shit, too, though, man.

00:29:08.000 Like, especially with the Klitschkos. 0.77

00:29:09.000 Yeah, soft.

00:29:10.000 He's softening the biscuits.

00:29:11.000 You've had a lot of fun videos, though.

00:29:14.000 Showing up, drinking his water, fucking with him.

00:29:16.000 Yes.

00:29:17.000 You knocked him over when you were riding a boat.

00:29:19.000 He was on the paddleboard.

00:29:20.000 I got him.

00:29:21.000 Chomp.

00:29:22.000 How long ago was the paddleboard incident?

00:29:24.000 I don't even know.

00:29:25.000 I lost track of time, champ.

00:29:26.000 I was like two years, maybe.

00:29:28.000 But you couldn't get a fight with him?

00:29:30.000 Nah, nah.

00:29:31.000 I've been chasing Klitschko, honestly, since 2005. I was supposed to fight him.

00:29:36.000 Honestly, we were supposed to fight.

00:29:37.000 He fought in New York City.

00:29:38.000 He was supposed to fight Shannon Briggs.

00:29:40.000 Everything was set to go.

00:29:41.000 And he wound up fighting Calvin Brock, who was from North Carolina.

00:29:46.000 I couldn't understand it, where we had...

00:29:48.000 We literally had a contract.

00:29:50.000 Yeah, it was a great fight.

00:29:51.000 It was going to sell out.

00:29:52.000 A lot of fans would have been crazy.

00:29:54.000 All the time.

00:29:55.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:29:55.000 Because I'm bringing that.

00:29:56.000 That's what I come up with.

00:29:57.000 He didn't want it because I was dangerous.

00:29:58.000 And that's what I'm going through right now.

00:30:00.000 They can say what they want about me, Joe.

00:30:01.000 This and a third.

00:30:02.000 Oh, he's crazy.

00:30:03.000 He's this.

00:30:03.000 But guess what?

00:30:04.000 I'm dangerous.

00:30:05.000 I've got tons of emails.

00:30:06.000 I'm not a snitch.

00:30:07.000 Listen, I've got tons of emails of guys with their managers saying, no, not right now.

00:30:12.000 He's too dangerous.

00:30:14.000 I've got Deontay Wilder.

00:30:16.000 Backed out of a fight with me for $2 million.

00:30:18.000 He can't front.

00:30:19.000 I got emails and everything.

00:30:21.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:30:21.000 I'm getting excited, as you can tell. 0.99

00:30:23.000 Once you started calling him Beyonce, I was like, uh-oh.

00:30:26.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:30:27.000 Champ went to DEFCON 4. He started calling him Beyonce Wilder.

00:30:29.000 As you can see, the meter's rising now, champ.

00:30:31.000 The meter's rising now.

00:30:33.000 Now we talking about what I want to talk about, fights.

00:30:35.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:30:37.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:30:38.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:30:40.000 Yeah.

00:30:40.000 It's the champ and Joe Rogan.

00:30:43.000 Oh, man.

00:30:44.000 Yeah!

00:30:45.000 The Klitschko one was particularly hilarious because he was on that paddleboard. 0.82

00:30:50.000 There's nothing more humiliating than getting knocked over on a paddleboard when people are talking shit.

00:30:55.000 And he still wouldn't fight me.

00:30:56.000 He still wouldn't fight me.

00:30:57.000 Here it is right here.

00:30:58.000 Look at him.

00:30:59.000 First of all, what is he doing out there on a paddleboard by himself?

00:31:02.000 Which is stupid.

00:31:03.000 In the middle of nowhere, I mean, this is almost like a setup.

00:31:05.000 Nah, it's stupid.

00:31:06.000 He does this every Wednesday.

00:31:07.000 Does he?

00:31:08.000 Yeah, he does this every Wednesday.

00:31:09.000 Where?

00:31:10.000 Where does he go?

00:31:13.000 I got mine!

00:31:14.000 Where does he go?

00:31:16.000 He's in intercoastal somewhere.

00:31:18.000 Where is that?

00:31:18.000 Is it Miami?

00:31:19.000 Yeah, Fort Lauderdale.

00:31:20.000 That's Hollywood champ.

00:31:21.000 Shout out to Hollywood, Florida.

00:31:23.000 Best town in the world.

00:31:23.000 Does he live down there?

00:31:25.000 Yeah, he live down there.

00:31:25.000 I live down there.

00:31:26.000 We all live down there.

00:31:27.000 And so he would stay on that paddleboard, go out in the middle of the ocean and be paddling.

00:31:32.000 And he would just be paddling around.

00:31:34.000 Yeah, that's his exercise.

00:31:35.000 What a weird exercise.

00:31:36.000 Yeah, he's a weirdo.

00:31:38.000 He seems like a strange guy.

00:31:39.000 Yeah, he's weird.

00:31:40.000 That's how the beef started, Joe.

00:31:42.000 Shout out to Chris Lawrence, the heavyweight factory, who's the greatest guy on earth, honestly.

00:31:47.000 It wasn't for him.

00:31:48.000 This guy put the fuel, put the cash behind me.

00:31:51.000 I was flat on my face.

00:31:52.000 This guy came and was like, you know why I believe in you.

00:31:54.000 I was fat, depressed.

00:31:56.000 He seen me in a fresh market.

00:31:58.000 He was like, you know, damn.

00:31:59.000 I was like, you know.

00:32:00.000 He seen me.

00:32:01.000 I came back like seven, eight months later.

00:32:02.000 I came to his office.

00:32:03.000 I was like, yo, champ, what's up?

00:32:04.000 He was like, damn.

00:32:05.000 He called me a week later and was like, yeah, we should do something.

00:32:08.000 I was like, let's go champ.

00:32:09.000 And here we are today.

00:32:11.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:32:11.000 I've been traveling the world thanks to Chris.

00:32:13.000 And now I've actually been ordered, the WBA has ordered a fight between me and Lucas Brown.

00:32:19.000 And hopefully we can make that happen very, very soon.

00:32:21.000 I was seeing something on your Instagram that it's still not signed yet, though.

00:32:24.000 You're disappointed in that.

00:32:26.000 Very disappointed.

00:32:27.000 Is Lucas Brown trying to avoid it?

00:32:29.000 Is there complications?

00:32:31.000 You know what, Joe?

00:32:32.000 Honestly, I've been through so much in the last couple of years with Wilder, with Klitschko, with Hay.

00:32:38.000 I fought on Hay's undercard.

00:32:39.000 I went over to England.

00:32:40.000 Shout out to the UK. I love it.

00:32:42.000 My second home.

00:32:43.000 It was a big fuel injection behind what I'm doing right now because I went over there and I've never felt that type of love anywhere in the world for myself to go where we speak the same language, we speak their language, and Just to have the love, man.

00:32:58.000 It's just incredible.

00:32:59.000 Everywhere I go, let's go, champ.

00:33:01.000 It's just amazing, man.

00:33:02.000 That really put a lot into what I'm doing right now.

00:33:04.000 But you decided to go over there and get an apartment.

00:33:06.000 Yeah, I had to.

00:33:07.000 I had to because I was flat on my ass, champ.

00:33:09.000 And I was trying to move up in the rankings.

00:33:12.000 I gave everybody a call.

00:33:13.000 Al Heyman.

00:33:14.000 Every Labella.

00:33:17.000 Everybody, the Cubans, I gave everybody a call.

00:33:19.000 I was like, yo, I'm trying to get back in the game.

00:33:20.000 Nobody believed in me.

00:33:21.000 Chris Lawrence called me and was like, yo, I believe in you.

00:33:23.000 And I was like, you know what, Chris?

00:33:25.000 He said, yo, you're a little crazy.

00:33:26.000 I said, I am.

00:33:27.000 I've been diagnosed a little crazy.

00:33:28.000 I suffer from PTSD. This is true.

00:33:30.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:33:30.000 But I'm exciting.

00:33:33.000 And I'm going to make it happen because I'm a believer.

00:33:35.000 Nothing can stop me, champ.

00:33:36.000 You look at me.

00:33:37.000 Nothing can stop me.

00:33:38.000 I don't care who you get.

00:33:39.000 Whoever say they can beat me, they lying.

00:33:41.000 Because when we put, when the bell ring, champ, I'm a whole different person because I'm charged.

00:33:46.000 Look at me.

00:33:47.000 Look at what I've been through.

00:33:48.000 Look what I'm telling to.

00:33:49.000 You can hear the emotion in my voice.

00:33:51.000 The pain's still there, champ.

00:33:52.000 I'm in!

00:33:53.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:33:53.000 I'm in! 0.99

00:33:54.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:33:55.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:33:56.000 I don't understand why it's so hard to get you fights.

00:33:58.000 This is what drives me fucking crazy.

00:33:59.000 Look at me.

00:34:00.000 Look at me.

00:34:01.000 And I'm crazy.

00:34:02.000 I believe that.

00:34:03.000 But if I was a promoter.

00:34:04.000 I don't care.

00:34:04.000 I don't care who I fight.

00:34:07.000 And I'm also not stupid.

00:34:09.000 I'm not going to fight fights for guys, for pennies.

00:34:12.000 That's meaningless.

00:34:13.000 That's going to beat me up.

00:34:14.000 I'm 44. I'll be 45. I already got so much limit on this body.

00:34:18.000 I'm a heavyweight.

00:34:18.000 I fought George Foreman, champ.

00:34:20.000 I fought Vitaly Klitschko, champ.

00:34:22.000 For free, by the way.

00:34:23.000 We'll talk about that later.

00:34:24.000 How is that free?

00:34:25.000 No money down.

00:34:27.000 I fought Francois Botha.

00:34:29.000 Ray Mercer.

00:34:30.000 You feel me?

00:34:31.000 I fought some big punches.

00:34:32.000 George Foreman.

00:34:33.000 So for me, I'm not going...

00:34:36.000 I'm not going to fight every guy out there just to try to build myself.

00:34:39.000 I'm a former two-time heavyweight champion in the world.

00:34:41.000 That alone should get me a title fight.

00:34:43.000 That alone.

00:34:45.000 That's how it used to be.

00:34:46.000 Guys have come out of retirement from the beginning, from the Sullivan days, and came out of no fights and got a title fight.

00:34:52.000 What drives me crazy is you're so marketable.

00:34:54.000 That's what drives me crazy.

00:34:55.000 The best ever.

00:34:56.000 If you were in the UFC... No promoter.

00:34:57.000 The best ever.

00:34:58.000 They would be lining up fights for you left and right if you were in the UFC. Listen, champ.

00:35:02.000 I know.

00:35:02.000 I know Dana.

00:35:03.000 Dana's my boy.

00:35:04.000 Now, that's another story in itself.

00:35:06.000 1993 or 4, Meyerowitz is his name, right?

00:35:10.000 Bob Meyerowitz.

00:35:10.000 He sold the UFC to Dana and him, right?

00:35:13.000 Yeah, in 2001. Call Rob right now.

00:35:16.000 He tell you who his boy is, Shannon Briggs.

00:35:18.000 He was sitting on the couch with me waiting for Mark Roberts to come home to try to get Mark to go in with him with the UFC. Wow.

00:35:25.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:35:27.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:35:28.000 Sitting on the couch with Rob.

00:35:30.000 Well, boxing is hard to get fights lined up because there's so many different conflicting promoters and different, you know, everybody wants their piece of the pie.

00:35:38.000 And then it's hard to get fighters to agree to fight someone like you who's dangerous.

00:35:42.000 Yeah, I'm dangerous.

00:35:42.000 I'm, you know, I'm fast.

00:35:44.000 I punch hard and I got a chin.

00:35:47.000 So, you know, they only count on one thing, that I run out of gas.

00:35:51.000 And I say this all the time, champ.

00:35:54.000 If your biggest asset is hoping that I run out of gas, you fucked up.

00:35:59.000 Excuse me, I apologize, boys and girls.

00:36:01.000 Don't apologize.

00:36:02.000 You messed up.

00:36:03.000 Excuse me, I apologize, boys and girls.

00:36:04.000 You messed up.

00:36:05.000 If you're relying on me running out of gas, if you're going into a fight, talking about, man, I just hope you run out of gas, you already lost, champ.

00:36:14.000 You already lost.

00:36:15.000 Now, why are they worried that you're running out of gas?

00:36:18.000 Because I know that you've concentrated a lot on your cardio.

00:36:21.000 Yes.

00:36:21.000 And it's one of the things you put on your Instagram.

00:36:22.000 You're always doing cardio.

00:36:24.000 You're constantly doing cardio.

00:36:25.000 I'm cardio.

00:36:25.000 I was born with underdeveloped lungs.

00:36:28.000 I was born less than two pounds at birth.

00:36:31.000 My mom was on heroin. 0.90

00:36:32.000 When I was born.

00:36:33.000 Jesus.

00:36:34.000 Yeah, so I came out the womb fighting to survive.

00:36:38.000 I didn't go home for seven, eight, nine months before when I was born.

00:36:40.000 So look at me now.

00:36:42.000 That's why I'm the champ, Joe.

00:36:44.000 That's why I'm the champ.

00:36:45.000 Because if you can overcome, you already the champ.

00:36:48.000 You had underdeveloped lungs and asthma.

00:36:49.000 Yes.

00:36:50.000 All my life.

00:36:51.000 You can ask anybody I went to school with.

00:36:53.000 I went to Risen Christ Lutheran School in Brownsville, Brooklyn.

00:36:56.000 For seven years, then I went to IS-55, then I went to Bishop Lachlan High School, then I went to George Wingate, where I got dropped out.

00:37:03.000 Now what causes asthma?

00:37:05.000 People like me who don't have it, you know it's bad, but you don't know much about it.

00:37:09.000 What is it?

00:37:10.000 I don't know, champ, but you know, looking back, like we lived, you know, my mom lived in the towers, but like, you know, Where my grandmom lived, on Pennsylvania Avenue, East New York.

00:37:19.000 You know, looking back, it was an old abandoned building that my aunt bought from the city for like $7, and they constructed.

00:37:26.000 I'm sure it had asbestos in it and that whole type of shit, you know, looking back.

00:37:30.000 But, you know, I grew up, man, in the hood, champ.

00:37:32.000 I grew up in the poor New York City, 1970s.

00:37:35.000 I remember everything, the blackout.

00:37:37.000 I was on the train by myself when I was nine years old.

00:37:39.000 You know, I grew up hard, you know what I mean?

00:37:41.000 So when you get an asthma attack, is it like...

00:37:43.000 I was saying that to say asthma is really in the city, in the cities like that.

00:37:47.000 It's more in the cities.

00:37:49.000 Chicago, LA, I mean, you know, New York, shit like that.

00:37:52.000 So you think it might be related to environmental stuff?

00:37:55.000 Definitely.

00:37:55.000 100%.

00:37:56.000 Now, what does it feel like when you get an asthma attack?

00:37:58.000 Oh, it's the worst thing in the world.

00:38:00.000 It's like nothing you can ever imagine.

00:38:02.000 Because we take it for granted because we take oxygen for granted because it's just here for us.

00:38:07.000 But, you know, you can go without food and water.

00:38:09.000 I say it all the time for, you know, days to weeks.

00:38:11.000 But you can't go without oxygen for five minutes, four minutes, three minutes.

00:38:15.000 And that's what it's like.

00:38:17.000 It's just really you're dying.

00:38:18.000 That's the bottom line.

00:38:19.000 You're dying.

00:38:20.000 A friend of mine described it as, he said it's like trying to breathe through a straw.

00:38:23.000 It's like all of a sudden all you got is like a little straw hole.

00:38:25.000 That's it.

00:38:26.000 That's it.

00:38:27.000 Have you ever had that happen in a fight?

00:38:28.000 A hundred times.

00:38:29.000 Really?

00:38:29.000 Yes.

00:38:30.000 Whoa.

00:38:31.000 Yeah.

00:38:31.000 What does that feel like?

00:38:32.000 The worst.

00:38:33.000 It's the fear of panicking and, uh...

00:38:35.000 You start talking and coming up with things and believing and doing anything you can do.

00:38:40.000 That's why a lot of people are religious and a lot of people go to different things for something outside of themselves that they can hold on to or ask for help for.

00:38:49.000 You feel me?

00:38:50.000 Me, I'm a little different.

00:38:51.000 I know it's just me.

00:38:52.000 I got to deal with these lungs and I got to do what I got to do to expand them.

00:38:55.000 When I'm in a fight, if that feel anything comes overcome, so what?

00:38:58.000 Let's go champ. 0.96

00:38:59.000 Now when you have an attack, does it just take a while before it relaxes and comes back?

00:39:04.000 What is the feeling?

00:39:07.000 I mean, I know people take inhalers, and I guess inhalers dilate your lungs.

00:39:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:13.000 It's like being in the water, you know, drowning almost, I guess, you know what I'm saying?

00:39:19.000 You're panicking, I guess, you know, you're suffering, you're trying to get that oxygen.

00:39:23.000 But, you know, it's something that I really, thanks to, you know, things that I'm doing now, my diet of first, and I really feel like I've overcome it.

00:39:33.000 So the diet, cutting out the sugar, eating really healthy.

00:39:36.000 No dairy.

00:39:37.000 Nothing that causes inflammation.

00:39:39.000 Yes.

00:39:39.000 That made a big factor.

00:39:41.000 Inflammation is key.

00:39:42.000 CBD, shout out.

00:39:43.000 Yeah, CBD is amazing, right?

00:39:44.000 CBD is amazing.

00:39:45.000 Unreal.

00:39:46.000 Now, from doing that, you don't have any asthma attacks anymore?

00:39:50.000 No.

00:39:50.000 Wow.

00:39:51.000 That's amazing.

00:39:51.000 I feel a great champ.

00:39:52.000 I feel like a man of steel.

00:39:53.000 I honestly do.

00:39:54.000 I feel like I'm in the best shape of my life, literally.

00:39:57.000 Have you ever done any breathing exercises?

00:40:00.000 Have to.

00:40:01.000 You know, it's hard, Joe, because I'm a family man.

00:40:06.000 I got, you know, kids and no excuse, but I have a family to take care of, provide for, and I have a career.

00:40:12.000 So that's a lot of things people don't understand.

00:40:14.000 Like, I've always juggled both, you know, taking care of my family and myself and a boxing career.

00:40:19.000 And it's been crazy, but it's been an amazing ride, champ.

00:40:22.000 And where I'm at right now, ooh, let me tell you, boy, Joe, everywhere I go, Champ!

00:40:27.000 When did the social media thing kick in?

00:40:31.000 My nephew Craig.

00:40:33.000 Shout out to Craig Brown.

00:40:34.000 Let's go champ! 1.00

00:40:35.000 My nephew Craig came about four years ago.

00:40:38.000 I had my first Instagram account.

00:40:39.000 It was just photos then.

00:40:41.000 I was like, you know what, man?

00:40:42.000 I'm going to lose this weight.

00:40:44.000 It sounds like a corny thing.

00:40:45.000 Everyone's doing little blogs, but I'm going to just do my own, even for myself.

00:40:49.000 I put it up.

00:40:50.000 I had nine followers, Champ.

00:40:52.000 It built to 2,000.

00:40:54.000 I was like, man, if I ever get to 5,000, man, I'll be there.

00:40:58.000 I never paid for the followers.

00:41:00.000 They went through this whole thing where...

00:41:02.000 They dropped everybody who would pay for the followers.

00:41:05.000 I wound up being like 5,000.

00:41:08.000 I was like, man, if I ever get to 10,000.

00:41:10.000 And then they came up with the video.

00:41:12.000 And Craig came to town.

00:41:13.000 I was like, yo, Craig, I'm going to work out every day and I want you to film it.

00:41:16.000 And we're going to put it on Instagram and see how it goes.

00:41:18.000 It just took off.

00:41:19.000 But it's just hilarious how much it's taken off.

00:41:22.000 It's too much, champ.

00:41:23.000 When I tell people that you were going to be on, man, I'm telling you, not like anybody else that's ever been on.

00:41:28.000 They got a wave of people that got excited about it.

00:41:31.000 I appreciate that.

00:41:31.000 Because they don't have a publicist, champ.

00:41:33.000 I do everything.

00:41:34.000 We do everything in-house, champ.

00:41:35.000 Which is just me and Craig and my family.

00:41:37.000 We do everything.

00:41:38.000 We don't have any...

00:41:39.000 We're good to go.

00:41:47.000 We're good to go.

00:41:58.000 Find a venue and everything.

00:41:59.000 We talked about Australia.

00:42:01.000 They talked about China.

00:42:02.000 Who's the promoter?

00:42:03.000 Well, you know, his management team and his lawyer, Leon Michaelis, are handling most of it.

00:42:09.000 But if they don't come up with a deal, champ, but basically...

00:42:11.000 I already feel like everybody's scared of me.

00:42:13.000 So I think they can just give me the belt.

00:42:15.000 Because I just want to fight Klitschko, to be honest with you.

00:42:18.000 Because I want to prove to the world that he's soft in a biscuit.

00:42:20.000 Because he really is.

00:42:22.000 I fought his brother with one arm for 12 rounds.

00:42:24.000 One arm for 12 rounds.

00:42:25.000 This happened in the first round, Joe.

00:42:27.000 You tore your bicep.

00:42:27.000 In the first round, yeah, in the first round.

00:42:30.000 Not only tore the bicep, the tendon popped.

00:42:33.000 They had to go through both sides.

00:42:34.000 This was in the first round.

00:42:35.000 I took, like, unreal punches to the head.

00:42:38.000 I forgot how many numbers it was, but I took unreal punches to the head.

00:42:40.000 They left me for dead.

00:42:41.000 I didn't even get paid for the fight, champ.

00:42:43.000 Nah, what happened there?

00:42:44.000 How'd you not get paid?

00:42:45.000 Listen, I started a promotional company called Golden Empire.

00:42:50.000 It was basically backdoored and changed to the empire.

00:42:54.000 We fought.

00:42:56.000 The company felt as though certain things that were allotted to me, I don't know.

00:43:01.000 They said I had a tab.

00:43:03.000 I don't know.

00:43:03.000 It was crazy, but the tab was never produced.

00:43:06.000 The company that I started basically wasn't my company anymore, and I was supposed to be giving shares.

00:43:11.000 This company wound up Trying to purchase EDC, Electric Daisy Carnival, through my introduction.

00:43:19.000 It got crazy.

00:43:20.000 It went public.

00:43:21.000 The night before my fight, the stock was up.

00:43:24.000 I had no shares.

00:43:25.000 I said, I'm not signing nothing until I know I'm guaranteed a purse.

00:43:28.000 It was crazy, champ.

00:43:30.000 This is what led to my depression.

00:43:31.000 This is why I went home after the fight and was like, yo, what happened here?

00:43:34.000 I fought Vitality Klitschko for 12 rounds.

00:43:37.000 I took ass from it.

00:43:37.000 I didn't even get paid.

00:43:39.000 That's crazy.

00:43:39.000 And I was in court with them for eight months before I settled out on pennies on the dollar because I had to.

00:43:45.000 Take care of my family, champ.

00:43:47.000 And this is what drove me to pure depression.

00:43:49.000 But then I overcame that, and now I'm here with you.

00:43:51.000 How much did they fuck you out of?

00:43:52.000 Champ, who knows?

00:43:53.000 Who knows?

00:43:54.000 I mean, the fight, and this is facts.

00:43:56.000 This is facts, champ.

00:43:57.000 Like they say in New York, facts.

00:43:58.000 You feel me?

00:43:59.000 Listen, it was the highest grossing fight as far as TV coverage in history, either one or two in German history, Shannon Briggs versus Vitaly Klitschko.

00:44:09.000 Well, he's a huge...

00:44:10.000 Huge star in Germany.

00:44:11.000 And I went over there and I bought action.

00:44:14.000 And the people was like, yo, listen, this guy can sell.

00:44:17.000 We want to see this fight.

00:44:18.000 The ratings were unreal.

00:44:19.000 It was like the highest rating in history.

00:44:21.000 Champ, I didn't get one dollar.

00:44:23.000 That's so crazy.

00:44:24.000 Not one dollar, Champ.

00:44:24.000 How could I not fall into depression?

00:44:26.000 But how could I not come out of it?

00:44:30.000 I've been fighting since day one, Champ.

00:44:33.000 Fight to breathe.

00:44:34.000 I've been fighting to breathe, champ.

00:44:36.000 So that was the last big bad moment.

00:44:39.000 Yeah, that was harsh.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, I'm back to normal.

00:44:43.000 Yeah, that was harsh.

00:44:44.000 But you came out of it, man.

00:44:45.000 That's the beautiful thing about it.

00:44:47.000 You came out of it.

00:44:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:49.000 No doubt.

00:44:49.000 Now, at 44, almost 45 years old, how much...

00:44:52.000 Sagittarius, December 4th.

00:44:54.000 How much have you had to, like, alter your training?

00:44:57.000 Like, as you've gotten older, you've gotten wiser with it?

00:45:00.000 Because I remember there was something that Larry Holmes talked about a lot when he got older.

00:45:03.000 He's like, what he did that was smarter, he goes, I'm not training seven days a week anymore, six days a week.

00:45:09.000 He goes, I'll train four or five.

00:45:10.000 He goes, and I won't do three hours, I'll do an hour and a half.

00:45:14.000 And he still was able to maintain a very high level But understanding the limitations of his body.

00:45:21.000 Yeah, shout out to Larry Holmes, who's always giving me nothing but great advice.

00:45:25.000 He's an assassin.

00:45:26.000 The man.

00:45:27.000 One of the greatest of all times, if not the greatest heavyweight of all time.

00:45:30.000 He just had the unfortunate of being right after Muhammad Ali.

00:45:33.000 100%.

00:45:34.000 People just didn't appreciate him or love him.

00:45:36.000 100%.

00:45:36.000 But he could definitely get busy.

00:45:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:38.000 He was a great boxer.

00:45:39.000 He's been giving me advice since the 90s.

00:45:41.000 I mean, early 90s.

00:45:42.000 He told me recently, he said, don't stop fighting.

00:45:45.000 He told me, don't stop fighting.

00:45:46.000 Whatever you do, don't stop.

00:45:47.000 He said, keep fighting.

00:45:48.000 I don't care what they tell you, win, lose, or draw.

00:45:50.000 He said, don't stop fighting.

00:45:51.000 I was like, really?

00:45:52.000 He was like, I'm telling you.

00:45:53.000 Don't fight to the end.

00:45:54.000 That's what we do.

00:45:55.000 He said, if I could have, I would have stayed fighting to the end.

00:45:58.000 I remember when Larry came back, when Mike Tyson went to jail, he's like, fuck it, I'm coming back.

00:46:02.000 Mike Tyson's locked up.

00:46:04.000 And he came back and he outboxed Ray Mercer.

00:46:07.000 And I was like, wow, look at Larry, man.

00:46:09.000 That's right.

00:46:09.000 Just skill and talent and that jab.

00:46:12.000 He had like one of the most underrated jabs ever.

00:46:14.000 The best.

00:46:15.000 The best.

00:46:16.000 So when you are now at 44 years age, you're healthier than ever before.

00:46:21.000 You take care of yourself better than ever before.

00:46:23.000 You look fantastic.

00:46:24.000 Thank you, Jeff.

00:46:24.000 Have you altered your training at all?

00:46:26.000 Like, what have you done to make sure that everything is, you know, going smooth?

00:46:31.000 Yeah, when I first came back, I was OD'ing, of course.

00:46:33.000 I was, like, again, trying to make up for lost time.

00:46:35.000 So I was, like, training every day, every day.

00:46:37.000 And the injuries were just coming in.

00:46:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:39.000 The Kiwis, this one, that one, L. Just going too hard.

00:46:42.000 Yeah, I was going too hard.

00:46:43.000 Then I met Dr. Buck at Whole Foods one day.

00:46:45.000 Shout out to Dr. Buck.

00:46:47.000 And he was like...

00:46:47.000 Who's Dr. Buck?

00:46:48.000 He's a nice guy, man.

00:46:50.000 He's like, what is he?

00:46:52.000 Chinese doctor, Chinese medicine doctor.

00:46:54.000 And he gave me a great plan.

00:46:55.000 He was like, you know, champ, you should train three days, take a day off, train two days, take two days off, train four days, take three days off.

00:47:02.000 And I was like, why?

00:47:02.000 He was like, trust me, it'll work for you.

00:47:04.000 He was like, the body needs rest.

00:47:06.000 And I started doing that, champ, and it's been working for me great.

00:47:08.000 I feel better than ever, honestly.

00:47:10.000 I've never felt this strong.

00:47:12.000 I've just sparred day four yesterday.

00:47:14.000 Shout out to Trevor Bryant.

00:47:15.000 I've been coming heavyweight.

00:47:17.000 He gives me great work.

00:47:18.000 It wasn't for him.

00:47:19.000 I'm where I'm at thanks to him.

00:47:21.000 He's been training with me for the last three years.

00:47:22.000 I've been watching him train, sparring.

00:47:24.000 We sparred the other day.

00:47:25.000 I'm going to get you because he threw me in the eye, by the way.

00:47:27.000 But I'm still pretty.

00:47:28.000 Let's go, champ! 1.00

00:47:29.000 And, you know, I've been training, man.

00:47:31.000 I've been sparring.

00:47:31.000 I'm the fastest I've ever been.

00:47:34.000 I'm stronger than I've ever been.

00:47:35.000 I see everything.

00:47:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:37.000 In the ring.

00:47:37.000 When I was young, man, again, I was battling with...

00:47:41.000 I'm not supposed to be here.

00:47:42.000 Right.

00:48:11.000 Trying to find that balance between...

00:48:13.000 You don't want to sell yourself short.

00:48:16.000 You don't want to not push hard enough to reach your potential.

00:48:19.000 But how do you figure out when you're in and when you're out?

00:48:22.000 How do you figure out how to reach that perfect potential?

00:48:26.000 Because only you know.

00:48:28.000 You know, I was working with a guy, and I love him.

00:48:29.000 Shout out to Billy Beck.

00:48:31.000 And Billy Beck told me, he said, you know what, you got to once in a while push yourself to see how far you can go.

00:48:36.000 He said, you know you can run 15 miles, but can you run 20?

00:48:40.000 And I was like, damn.

00:48:41.000 So once in a while I do give myself that, you know what, what can you do?

00:48:45.000 I'm gonna try to make it up and down these stairs a hundred times.

00:48:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:48:51.000 I'm gonna do the best I can.

00:48:52.000 Just once in a blue.

00:48:53.000 Then I give it, you know, and I might do that again in three months or two months.

00:48:57.000 You gotta know your body too, champ.

00:48:59.000 You gotta be honest with yourself because I wasn't always honest with myself.

00:49:02.000 Because of asthma, I was having high anxiety when it came to running and when it came to pushing my lungs because this is something I've experienced all my life since birth.

00:49:11.000 I can't remember finishing school.

00:49:14.000 Because I was always in the hospital.

00:49:15.000 I grew up in St. Mary's in Brooklyn, St. John's in Brooklyn, Kings County in Brooklyn.

00:49:20.000 I grew up in the hospitals.

00:49:21.000 I can tell you what the children's playrooms look like.

00:49:25.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:49:25.000 I mean, kids would.

00:49:26.000 So I grew up in these places.

00:49:28.000 So for me, to become a boxer and have to use so much breathing, it's amazing.

00:49:33.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:49:33.000 I'm not trying to give myself a blowjob, but it's just the truth.

00:49:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:36.000 I mean, what other heavyweight and champion in history can honestly say they suffered from something with undeveloped lungs and became a champion?

00:49:44.000 Am I the greatest champion?

00:49:45.000 Hell no.

00:49:45.000 But could I be?

00:49:46.000 Possibly.

00:49:47.000 Because if I had the lungs that some of these guys had, who knows how good I might be.

00:49:50.000 I'm fast.

00:49:51.000 I hit hard.

00:49:52.000 I'm crazy.

00:49:53.000 I'm with whatever.

00:49:54.000 I'm with whatever, champ.

00:49:55.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:49:56.000 Joe, they haven't seen the best of me, to be honest with you, champ.

00:49:59.000 They've never seen the best of me.

00:50:00.000 No one has.

00:50:00.000 And that's why I'm back.

00:50:02.000 Because...

00:50:04.000 I don't want to leave this earth or wherever I'm going, the next level, the next dimension.

00:50:08.000 I don't want to go saying, man, I wish they had seen me, because I'm nice, Joe.

00:50:12.000 Honestly, those who really know me, I'm really good at this boxing thing.

00:50:15.000 I'm self-taught.

00:50:16.000 I watched Muhammad Ali and Ray Robinson, too.

00:50:19.000 I was blue in the face as a kid, and I mimicked them as a heavyweight.

00:50:22.000 You got one of the best left hooks to the liver. 1.00

00:50:24.000 I got that from Chavez.

00:50:26.000 I almost got beyond.

00:50:29.000 There you go, let's go champ!

00:50:32.000 Shout out to Geraldo Gomez.

00:50:34.000 Geraldo Gomez, part of this comeback, my brother.

00:50:37.000 Yeah, that's definitely Chavez.

00:50:38.000 It's a stabbing left hook.

00:50:40.000 I got it.

00:50:40.000 Ooh, I go around here.

00:50:41.000 You get in there.

00:50:42.000 I reach around.

00:50:43.000 Yeah, you get in there.

00:50:44.000 I reach around, I reach around, I snatch it.

00:50:47.000 But shout out to, you know black people when I shout outs.

00:50:51.000 Mike McCallum.

00:50:52.000 I got that from him.

00:50:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:54.000 I met Mike when I was like 18 years old in Prospect Park.

00:50:57.000 Oh, wow.

00:50:58.000 I remember when he knocked out Donald Curry.

00:51:00.000 I was a huge Donald Curry fan.

00:51:01.000 I got so depressed, I had to go running.

00:51:03.000 I shut the TV off.

00:51:05.000 I was like, fuck.

00:51:06.000 He hit him with a left hook to the body and went upstairs.

00:51:08.000 Boom! 0.99

00:51:09.000 Knocked him out cold.

00:51:10.000 I went, shit.

00:51:12.000 And I had to go running.

00:51:13.000 I ran and I said to myself, I'm never going to get depressed out of somebody else's loss ever again.

00:51:17.000 I was a kid.

00:51:19.000 I was so bummed out.

00:51:20.000 I was a huge Donald Curry fan.

00:51:24.000 Mike taught me the hat, but I watch Chavez so much.

00:51:27.000 I watch Chavez so much that I feel like if we're heavyweight, I've got it perfect.

00:51:31.000 If I get you there, you can call it goodnight.

00:51:33.000 It might catch up to you later, though.

00:51:34.000 It might be chilling for a minute.

00:51:36.000 Next round, you'll be like, oh, shit.

00:51:37.000 Yeah.

00:51:38.000 Gotcha!

00:51:39.000 Yeah, in there.

00:51:39.000 Let's go, champ.

00:51:40.000 Now, do you follow a strength and conditioning program?

00:51:43.000 Do you have a trainer that you work with for strength and conditioning?

00:51:46.000 Yes, I work with different guys.

00:51:47.000 What kind of shit do you do?

00:51:48.000 All type of shit, champ.

00:51:49.000 You name it.

00:51:50.000 I've been doing this for years.

00:51:51.000 I worked with Mackie Shellstone, champ.

00:51:53.000 Oh, Mackie. 0.53

00:51:53.000 Back in the days before this was popular. 0.53

00:51:55.000 I mean, he was back.

00:51:56.000 He worked with Spinks. 1.00

00:51:57.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:51:57.000 But I worked with Shilstone.

00:51:59.000 I've worked with guys.

00:52:00.000 This ain't nothing new to the champ.

00:52:01.000 You feel me?

00:52:02.000 Well, Shilstone was the first guy that really became prominent as a strength conditioning coach for boxing.

00:52:06.000 Tom Shaw.

00:52:07.000 I worked with the great Tom Shaw.

00:52:09.000 Tom Shaw is the man.

00:52:10.000 I worked with Duke Roos, man.

00:52:12.000 You know Duke Roos?

00:52:12.000 I know the name.

00:52:13.000 Duke Roos.

00:52:14.000 I worked with Duke Roos out of New Orleans.

00:52:15.000 He's the best in the world.

00:52:17.000 Rod Gillis.

00:52:18.000 I worked with everybody, champ.

00:52:20.000 And Maggie Shilston was the guy that pumped Spinks up when he fought Larry Holmes. 0.96

00:52:24.000 That's right.

00:52:24.000 He bulked him up a little bit, but didn't slow him down.

00:52:27.000 That's right.

00:52:27.000 He had that speed, boy.

00:52:28.000 Didn't he work with Holyfield, too?

00:52:29.000 He worked with Holyfield as well, I think.

00:52:31.000 No, I think he worked with Haney, Lee Haney.

00:52:33.000 Oh, okay.

00:52:34.000 He might have worked with Holy, though.

00:52:35.000 Holy's the man.

00:52:36.000 Holy worked with everybody, too.

00:52:37.000 Holy was the real guy who brought that into prominence as far as strength and conditioning and boxing, especially in boxing.

00:52:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:45.000 Well, he was one of the first guys where weightlifting became accepted.

00:52:50.000 Exactly.

00:52:50.000 Because for the longest time, boxing trainers would tell you that weightlifting slows you down.

00:52:53.000 That's right.

00:52:54.000 Which it kind of does because it makes you sore.

00:52:56.000 This is true.

00:52:56.000 And then you don't perform as well in the gym.

00:52:58.000 But once you recover, then you're fast again.

00:53:01.000 Yes.

00:53:01.000 So Holyfield was like one of the first guys to make that leap.

00:53:04.000 Yes.

00:53:04.000 To understand like, look, he's going to go from a cruiserweight to a heavyweight.

00:53:07.000 Yes.

00:53:08.000 And he became a legit heavyweight.

00:53:09.000 One of the best ever.

00:53:11.000 One of the best ever.

00:53:12.000 I mean, his performances against Mike Tyson.

00:53:14.000 Unreal.

00:53:14.000 Come on, man.

00:53:15.000 That first fight in particular.

00:53:16.000 How about Bo?

00:53:16.000 How about him and Bo?

00:53:17.000 Oh, what?

00:53:18.000 Sheesh.

00:53:18.000 Him and Dokes.

00:53:19.000 Him and Dokes.

00:53:20.000 Yes.

00:53:20.000 Come on.

00:53:21.000 Oh, man.

00:53:21.000 The Dokes fight was crazy.

00:53:23.000 You ain't seen me and him moving the other day, me and Holy?

00:53:25.000 No.

00:53:25.000 On Instagram?

00:53:26.000 Yeah, he still got it.

00:53:27.000 He still got it.

00:53:28.000 He still got it.

00:53:30.000 Holy like 50-something, but he got it.

00:53:32.000 Is he still fighting?

00:53:33.000 No, he ain't fighting.

00:53:33.000 He stopped.

00:53:34.000 Yeah, but he still got it, champ.

00:53:35.000 I was moving with him the other day.

00:53:37.000 Wow.

00:53:38.000 He still got it.

00:53:39.000 Wow.

00:53:40.000 Bo still.

00:53:41.000 Bo too.

00:53:42.000 Riddick Bo.

00:53:42.000 He in the gym with me every day.

00:53:44.000 Really?

00:53:44.000 Every day.

00:53:45.000 Every day.

00:53:46.000 He lives in Florida.

00:53:47.000 He's a great guy.

00:53:48.000 Is Holyfield in Florida, too?

00:53:49.000 Yes, he is.

00:53:50.000 Wow.

00:53:50.000 So he still trains all the time?

00:53:51.000 Every day.

00:53:52.000 How come he doesn't fight anymore?

00:53:53.000 He's chilling.

00:53:54.000 He's like, yo.

00:53:55.000 Just said enough is enough?

00:53:56.000 He's chilling.

00:53:56.000 We're good?

00:53:56.000 Yeah, he's chilling.

00:53:57.000 Wow.

00:53:58.000 So when you work with a strength and conditioning coach, what is a week in the life of Shannon Briggs when it comes to training?

00:54:05.000 Say if this fight gets signed and you know you're going to get started, how do you organize your weeks?

00:54:10.000 I already started, but what I'm doing is basically I'm using a strength and conditioning day with boxing, a running day with boxing, a rest day, a strength and conditioning day with boxing, a run day, and then another run day.

00:54:22.000 Do you ever fuck with yoga?

00:54:23.000 The best, yes.

00:54:25.000 Do you?

00:54:25.000 Christine, yeah, Christine is great, yeah.

00:54:27.000 So you got all kinds of stuff going on.

00:54:29.000 Flexibility.

00:54:30.000 I have to.

00:54:31.000 I'm doing everything I can do.

00:54:32.000 Possibly cryo machine.

00:54:35.000 You name it.

00:54:36.000 Hyperbaric chamber.

00:54:37.000 Everything I can do.

00:54:38.000 I'm looking for the edge.

00:54:39.000 Because everyone's there.

00:54:39.000 They got it.

00:54:40.000 I'm broke.

00:54:41.000 They got money.

00:54:42.000 So imagine what they got.

00:54:43.000 And now I'm scrambling to get everything I can get.

00:54:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:46.000 To get to the next level.

00:54:47.000 I know.

00:54:48.000 I know.

00:54:48.000 I see it.

00:54:49.000 I see it in you, man.

00:54:50.000 And me, like many other people, rooting for you.

00:54:53.000 Thank you, champ.

00:54:53.000 It's frustrating when I see you getting close to these fights with guys like David Hay.

00:54:58.000 And then it falls apart.

00:54:59.000 He is such a sucker.

00:55:00.000 What happened with him?

00:55:01.000 He said he was going to fight you.

00:55:02.000 I went over to England Champ and they showed me nothing but love.

00:55:05.000 They seen the true character of who he really is and that he ain't really a good dude.

00:55:09.000 He's a businessman, but he's also a weird dude.

00:55:15.000 I shook his hand.

00:55:16.000 We said we had to go.

00:55:17.000 It would be a great fight.

00:55:18.000 Win, lose, or draw for either one of us.

00:55:21.000 Everything was said.

00:55:23.000 I did everything they needed me to do.

00:55:27.000 He was looking for another deal.

00:55:29.000 The truth of the matter is, I heard this from inside that he was like, he's too dangerous.

00:55:34.000 You know, that's just the bottom line, which is what they all say.

00:55:37.000 Well, he's a fairly small heavyweight.

00:55:38.000 Yeah, I smashed him up.

00:55:39.000 That was an easy win for me.

00:55:40.000 That was a layup.

00:55:41.000 I was like, oh, look at him.

00:55:42.000 I'm going to smash.

00:55:43.000 And he was scared.

00:55:43.000 I was seeing it in his eyes.

00:55:45.000 I'm from Brownsville.

00:55:46.000 I got one thing.

00:55:47.000 I can smell when you're scared.

00:55:48.000 I'm from the same neighborhood as Mike Tyson and Riddick Bowe.

00:55:50.000 I know when a man's scared.

00:55:51.000 I went up on him, Joe.

00:55:52.000 I looked in his eyes.

00:55:53.000 I seen his lips.

00:55:54.000 He was trembling.

00:55:55.000 He was scared.

00:55:56.000 I could smell it.

00:55:57.000 I was like, oh.

00:55:58.000 I said, this is a layup.

00:55:59.000 This is a layup, champ.

00:56:00.000 This is an easy one, champ.

00:56:02.000 Yeah!

00:56:03.000 What does he weigh?

00:56:04.000 He's not a heavy guy.

00:56:05.000 Nah, I had that one, champ.

00:56:06.000 I could see me just snatching him and just ripping him up.

00:56:09.000 Then he went vegan, too.

00:56:09.000 He went vegan, so he lost even more weight, probably.

00:56:11.000 Oh, yeah, exactly.

00:56:12.000 I'm eating bulls and cows and all types of dinosaurs.

00:56:18.000 I'm a straight animal!

00:56:20.000 What is your diet like?

00:56:22.000 How do you organize your diet?

00:56:24.000 Organic everything, you know what I'm saying?

00:56:26.000 Just to try to, you know...

00:56:27.000 Camp it out at Whole Foods.

00:56:29.000 They know me well, you know what I'm saying?

00:56:31.000 They should be sponsoring me.

00:56:32.000 Shout out to Whole Foods.

00:56:34.000 I'm there every day.

00:56:35.000 It's $150 to $200 a day.

00:56:38.000 For the family, yeah.

00:56:39.000 It's every day.

00:56:39.000 Every day for the last four years we've been eating from Whole Foods.

00:56:42.000 Whole Foods is not cheap.

00:56:43.000 It's not cheap.

00:56:44.000 150 to 200 every day is bad.

00:56:47.000 And I'm not bragging.

00:56:48.000 I'm actually complaining.

00:56:49.000 But that's what it took because no sugar. 0.58

00:56:52.000 I'm eating right.

00:56:53.000 I use coconut sugar.

00:56:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:55.000 I just tried to I do the best I can, considering I'm not a nutritionist.

00:56:58.000 I live on my iPhone.

00:57:00.000 As you can tell, I'm always posting.

00:57:01.000 I'm always looking for new recipes or the next edge.

00:57:04.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:57:05.000 The best I can for myself.

00:57:06.000 So I eat fairly well organic meats.

00:57:09.000 I don't eat pork.

00:57:11.000 I don't eat shellfish.

00:57:13.000 No dairy.

00:57:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:14.000 I'm just keeping it as best I can.

00:57:15.000 Do you get your blood work monitored?

00:57:17.000 I do that as well, yeah.

00:57:18.000 You know, I try to keep my levels where they need to be.

00:57:20.000 Do you supplement?

00:57:21.000 Do you take vitamins?

00:57:22.000 No, unfortunately, not right now.

00:57:24.000 Some CBD that I've been, you know, and I was ahead of the game with that too, champ, but I'm not trying to give myself a blowjob, but I was suffering from depression, champ, and I was fortunate to, I went and got like 10 different MRIs, and I was like, what's wrong with me?

00:57:38.000 I'm always depressed.

00:57:38.000 I'm always feeling like, you know, I feel anxiety overcoming me, and I was given this and that, and then I was I picked the CBD five years ago, four years ago in a life-changing experience, you know what I mean?

00:57:51.000 But I'm here, champ.

00:57:52.000 I'm here.

00:57:53.000 Well, CBD, it's an interesting thing because it's a part of marijuana, but it's not psychoactive.

00:57:59.000 Not at all.

00:57:59.000 So a lot of people, they hear about it and they get worried about it.

00:58:03.000 They feel like it's drugs.

00:58:04.000 Yes.

00:58:05.000 But it has nothing to do with that.

00:58:06.000 It's like one of the beneficial parts of the plant.

00:58:08.000 It just eliminates inflammation.

00:58:10.000 And for people that have arthritis or all kinds of other injuries or just hard training like you're doing.

00:58:15.000 And I was drinking since I was a kid, you know what I mean, honestly.

00:58:18.000 And I had a family member that was a marijuana smoker.

00:58:25.000 This person was abusive to me.

00:58:27.000 Very abusive, physically and mentally.

00:58:29.000 So the smell of marijuana was something that always reminded me of those times as a child, growing up.

00:58:35.000 So I never was attracted to weed, ever.

00:58:38.000 But drinking was my game, which was worse.

00:58:40.000 I was drinking since I was a kid and I shouldn't have been.

00:58:43.000 They let me down some dark days.

00:58:45.000 Were you drinking during training camps?

00:58:47.000 Not really.

00:58:48.000 I was never that type of drinker, but after a fight, you know, celebration, Heineken and Hennessy was, you know, chasing and just being, you know, a kid.

00:58:58.000 Yeah.

00:58:59.000 Being an idiot.

00:59:00.000 Not a kid, being an idiot.

00:59:01.000 And how did you get off it?

00:59:03.000 My daughter, man, you know, my daughter, you know, I was taking, like I said, I was taking the different antidepressants and they gave me Xanax as well and My mom was a heroin addict, like I told you.

00:59:15.000 She died on my birthday of an overdose.

00:59:17.000 And I said, if I was ever hooked on drugs, I'd rather die than be a slave or hooked on something.

00:59:23.000 I remember not taking the Xanax for a couple days and just having the jitters.

00:59:28.000 And I was like, yo.

00:59:29.000 This is horrible.

00:59:31.000 And that happened.

00:59:31.000 That went on for like six months.

00:59:33.000 And I was blessed when I was introduced to CBD because my life changed.

00:59:38.000 I went from not knowing what I was going to do and fearful to calming down.

00:59:42.000 And this was all from my past.

00:59:44.000 So many things happened to me as a kid.

00:59:46.000 I don't need to harp on, but my childhood was rough.

00:59:49.000 And people don't realize how much kids internalize and become adults.

00:59:55.000 A broken kid is the worst adult.

00:59:57.000 It forms you.

00:59:58.000 Yeah, it forms you.

00:59:59.000 And when I got Money Champ, I was 20 years old.

01:00:02.000 My manager, you know, moved me out to Jersey.

01:00:04.000 I was living in South Orange first.

01:00:06.000 West Orange, big mansion.

01:00:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:00:08.000 I always lived in a nice house.

01:00:09.000 I had a car.

01:00:10.000 But I had no money.

01:00:11.000 But I had the things that, you know what I'm saying?

01:00:14.000 To me, I made it.

01:00:15.000 I had a credit card.

01:00:16.000 I could get clothes.

01:00:17.000 All I had to do was fight.

01:00:18.000 So I had a nice thing going.

01:00:19.000 But I wasn't really dealing with the fact that my mom was on drugs.

01:00:23.000 My dad was in jail.

01:00:25.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:00:26.000 You weren't at peace.

01:00:27.000 I wasn't nowhere near peace.

01:00:28.000 And that's what yoga's done for me.

01:00:30.000 Yoga has done that for me.

01:00:32.000 People don't know, they see the crazy side of me.

01:00:33.000 Like, I'm like the spiritual crazy warrior.

01:00:36.000 Don't even say spiritual, because I'm not even spiritual.

01:00:38.000 I'm just like the crazy warrior.

01:00:40.000 But I get centered when I have to.

01:00:42.000 And that's what I'm learning.

01:00:42.000 Like, I never knew how to turn on the Let's Go Champ.

01:00:46.000 I tell everyone listen there is a champion with all of us people see me hype how I go from that's me turning on the champ champ That's me turning on the champ because I didn't know how to do that That's why I said I'm in the best shape ever because now I can zone out I was on my way over here champ in the car I was like damn.

01:01:03.000 I'm nervous.

01:01:04.000 Let me tell you why when I was fat and depressed and down and out I was watching you and I said damn I need to get my shit together.

01:01:13.000 And to do that, one day I'll be on Joe Rogan's show.

01:01:16.000 I'm not bullshitting you.

01:01:17.000 Anybody can say whatever they want to say.

01:01:19.000 I'm sitting to be honest with you.

01:01:20.000 So on the way over here, I was mad nervous.

01:01:23.000 But I was like, let's go, champ.

01:01:25.000 No need to be nervous, man.

01:01:28.000 You know one of the things I love about you, too?

01:01:30.000 You push that positivity on other people, and you want them to be positive, too.

01:01:33.000 It's not just about you.

01:01:35.000 You call everybody champ.

01:01:36.000 Everybody's a champ.

01:01:37.000 They're all smiling.

01:01:39.000 You look at your videos.

01:01:39.000 That's real.

01:01:40.000 That's I'm happy, man, because I'm happy to be alive, Joe.

01:01:42.000 I wanted to kill myself.

01:01:43.000 So many kids commit suicide around the world, champ.

01:01:46.000 I've got thousands of emails and texts.

01:01:48.000 Kid you not.

01:01:49.000 I can show you on my phone.

01:01:51.000 Thousands of emails and texts from people around the world.

01:01:52.000 I said, champ, I was suffering from depression, and I wanted to kill myself.

01:01:56.000 But thanks to you watching your videos, I'm motivated.

01:01:58.000 I'm not BSing you.

01:02:00.000 Thousands, over 15,000 of people telling me, champ, thank you, champ, thank you.

01:02:05.000 So this, for me, is amazing.

01:02:06.000 No publishers, no company behind me.

01:02:08.000 This is just me and Craig.

01:02:09.000 That's all you need.

01:02:11.000 You feel me?

01:02:12.000 But that's why I feel good, champ.

01:02:13.000 Because I'm like, damn, if this was not real, organic, I'd be like, okay, I could be like, oh, you know, but this is just real.

01:02:20.000 Right.

01:02:20.000 It's not like a marketing gift.

01:02:21.000 Nah, it's me, champ.

01:02:22.000 And I'm either going to win, lose, or draw, and ain't going to be no losing being who I'm going to be for once in my life.

01:02:27.000 Well, that's the beautiful thing about social media is that it lets you be you 100%.

01:02:31.000 Like, there's no director going, Shannon, I see what you're saying, but now I want something different from you.

01:02:38.000 We've got the Let's Go Champ.

01:02:39.000 Right, right, right.

01:02:40.000 So let's try.

01:02:41.000 I tell people when it comes to that, people say, oh, it's boring.

01:02:43.000 You know, you do the same thing on Thomas.

01:02:45.000 It's just me, Champ.

01:02:46.000 Yeah, I'm like, you know what?

01:02:48.000 You've watched it too much.

01:02:49.000 Come back later.

01:02:50.000 Yes, yes!

01:02:51.000 Come back later, Champ.

01:02:52.000 That's exactly.

01:02:53.000 I tell people that about my podcast, you know?

01:02:55.000 Man, I'm tired of listening to you.

01:02:57.000 Take some time off.

01:02:58.000 I get tired of me too.

01:02:59.000 Let's go chat.

01:03:01.000 Let's go, Chad.

01:03:01.000 Take some time off!

01:03:02.000 That's right.

01:03:03.000 I'm not changing shit.

01:03:05.000 Just relax.

01:03:05.000 Man, Joe, I'm happy to be here.

01:03:06.000 I ain't gonna lie to you, Chad.

01:03:07.000 I'm happy to be here, man.

01:03:07.000 I'm happy to be here.

01:03:08.000 Man, this feels good, man, for real.

01:03:09.000 I needed to vent, too, as you can hear.

01:03:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:11.000 I needed to vent a little bit about the Alex thing.

01:03:13.000 And not that, you know what I mean?

01:03:14.000 I held it in all this time because it's fuel.

01:03:16.000 It's fuel.

01:03:17.000 I ain't gonna lie.

01:03:17.000 You know, I watched him many days.

01:03:19.000 I said, damn, man, like, you know, why he threw me under the bus like that?

01:03:22.000 And you know what I mean?

01:03:22.000 It hurt.

01:03:23.000 So now I spoke about it.

01:03:24.000 He's a hard man.

01:03:25.000 He's a hard man.

01:03:25.000 By the way, I got a huge article coming out for ESPN. By Bryn Jonathan Butler.

01:03:32.000 It's unreal.

01:03:33.000 For him to do this piece, he's the guy who's done some amazing pieces, champ.

01:03:38.000 Mike Tyson, Tupac.

01:03:40.000 He's done some amazing pieces.

01:03:41.000 He's got a piece coming out that's going to be unreal into the mud.

01:03:43.000 Not that I'm plugging him, but I just want you to know this is going to be unreal.

01:03:47.000 Beautiful.

01:03:47.000 It's going to be on ESPN? Yeah, the ESPN. It's going to be sick.

01:03:51.000 That's giant.

01:03:53.000 There's a lot of momentum in your side.

01:03:55.000 It's just a matter of getting a fight signed.

01:03:58.000 The heavyweight division right now is pretty exciting.

01:04:00.000 The fight's done.

01:04:02.000 I'm just saying, for Brown and those people to act like they were going to grab the bull by the horn, I'm ready now.

01:04:17.000 I'm ready now.

01:04:18.000 I don't want no more delays.

01:04:19.000 I don't want to play with this boy.

01:04:21.000 I'm not calling him a boy.

01:04:22.000 I don't want to play with this man, this young man.

01:04:24.000 I don't want to play with him.

01:04:26.000 I want the bell ring because he in my way.

01:04:27.000 I understand.

01:04:29.000 But he's in my way.

01:04:30.000 And there's nothing...

01:04:31.000 People don't understand.

01:04:32.000 You can call me crazy, but that's okay.

01:04:35.000 Look, in my mind, this is like...

01:04:39.000 Already written.

01:04:41.000 Destiny.

01:04:41.000 I was out of shape.

01:04:42.000 I was delving out.

01:04:43.000 I wanted to kill myself.

01:04:44.000 And now I came back with nothing behind me but the people.

01:04:47.000 The people's chair everywhere I go.

01:04:49.000 He's in my way.

01:04:50.000 He's just like a tornado coming.

01:04:52.000 He's a road.

01:04:53.000 I'm going to tear him apart.

01:04:54.000 He's just in my way because I got a bigger picture, champ.

01:04:56.000 All the belts.

01:04:57.000 I want the people around the world.

01:04:59.000 Yeah, all the belts, champ.

01:05:00.000 I want people all around the world to be like, yo, hear my story.

01:05:03.000 I don't have a great record.

01:05:04.000 I've got like six or seven, five, six losses.

01:05:06.000 Who knows?

01:05:07.000 I had ups and downs.

01:05:09.000 I've never been considered a great, but I fought guys who will tell you on the low, man, he get busy.

01:05:13.000 Ask Lennox Lewis.

01:05:15.000 They'll tell you guys who know me, who boxing, ask Chris Bird.

01:05:20.000 They say, you know what?

01:05:22.000 I've never really seen Shannon.

01:05:23.000 They've never really seen Shannon.

01:05:25.000 I'm keeping it real.

01:05:27.000 They never see me.

01:05:27.000 They're going to see me.

01:05:28.000 When this fight gets done, they're going to see me.

01:05:30.000 They're going to see the real Shannon.

01:05:31.000 They're going to say, wow, we didn't know you had all that talent.

01:05:34.000 We didn't know.

01:05:35.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

01:05:37.000 They're gonna see it, champ.

01:05:38.000 They're gonna see it for real.

01:05:40.000 This is a lot of suffering and pain, champ.

01:05:42.000 And a lot of love, too.

01:05:43.000 Because they're all around the world.

01:05:44.000 They're saying, let's go, champ.

01:05:45.000 And they're feeling the positivity.

01:05:46.000 And they're saying, you know what, champ?

01:05:48.000 We're behind you, man.

01:05:49.000 That's not happening in boxing, champ.

01:05:51.000 And that is another reason that's fueling me.

01:05:54.000 Look at the boxing.

01:05:55.000 Look at the state of the heavyweight division.

01:05:57.000 It was flat before me, champ.

01:05:59.000 Chrisco was doing nothing but stinking up the vision for years.

01:06:02.000 Grab hold.

01:06:03.000 Grab hold.

01:06:04.000 Come on, champ.

01:06:04.000 You're the heavyweight champion in the world.

01:06:06.000 You're supposed to be the biggest prize in sports.

01:06:08.000 You're supposed to be out there doing interviews.

01:06:09.000 You're supposed to be Muhammad Ali of the state.

01:06:11.000 Kids around the world are supposed to know who's the heavyweight champion in the world.

01:06:14.000 When I was out there trying to campaign, and even to this day, you ask somebody who's the heavyweight champion in the world, they don't even know.

01:06:20.000 Nobody knows.

01:06:21.000 Nobody knows now.

01:06:22.000 And he was a white guy.

01:06:23.000 Yeah, but ask them now.

01:06:24.000 They don't even know.

01:06:25.000 Nobody knows.

01:06:26.000 Now, you go around, and people call me one thing, champ.

01:06:31.000 Yeah.

01:06:32.000 They say, champ, when you're fighting.

01:06:34.000 Exactly.

01:06:34.000 So that's what I'm talking about.

01:06:36.000 Bringing back the energy to the game.

01:06:38.000 Listen, people told me all the time, the people in the game.

01:06:41.000 And I hear people, you know, rag you.

01:06:42.000 I see on the comments, rag me to you and this and that third.

01:06:45.000 And I appreciate you, champ, for, you know, holding me down.

01:06:47.000 But listen to this, champ.

01:06:49.000 Listen to this, champ.

01:06:50.000 The people inside of boxing is one thing.

01:06:54.000 Inside of contact sports is one thing.

01:06:56.000 But when you got people who don't watch boxing...

01:06:59.000 Who don't never watch boxing and say, hey champ, I watch you champ.

01:07:03.000 It's social media.

01:07:04.000 It's social media.

01:07:05.000 You feel me?

01:07:06.000 100%.

01:07:06.000 That's what's doing it.

01:07:08.000 So that's my goal.

01:07:09.000 That's my point.

01:07:09.000 The boxing people cool.

01:07:11.000 Not that I don't want them to know me.

01:07:12.000 I'm not trying to alienate them and say, oh no, fuck them.

01:07:14.000 I'm saying, that's cool.

01:07:16.000 I love y'all.

01:07:16.000 Oh, you don't like me.

01:07:17.000 I know I suck.

01:07:18.000 I'm this and the third.

01:07:18.000 But the outside people all around the world who don't watch boxing, the ladies, the kids, it's the champ, Shannon the Cannon, the kid.

01:07:27.000 Kids!

01:07:27.000 That's who I want.

01:07:28.000 I want because that's what I have right now.

01:07:30.000 Kids everywhere.

01:07:31.000 I came out of a place the other day, and a kid, I know he wasn't a boxing fan.

01:07:34.000 He said, hey champ!

01:07:36.000 I said, wow.

01:07:37.000 I felt good, champ.

01:07:38.000 I felt good, bro.

01:07:39.000 I was like, that was like a Wheaties moment, champ.

01:07:41.000 You feel me?

01:07:42.000 I felt like a Wheaties moment.

01:07:43.000 Like, hey champ!

01:07:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:45.000 And that's what I want, man.

01:07:46.000 I want people to be excited about boxing because boxing saved my life.

01:07:49.000 Every time I left the game, champ, my life fell down.

01:07:52.000 Well, there was a long period of time while Klitschko was the heavyweight champion where literally no one could tell you outside of real hardcore boxing fans who the heavyweight champ was.

01:08:00.000 In America, right. 0.78

01:08:01.000 That was never the case!

01:08:02.000 You would ask people, who's the heavyweight champion?

01:08:04.000 And they would, oh, it's Mike Tyson, it's Lennox Lewis, it's Evander Holyfield, whoever it was.

01:08:09.000 But for a long period, no one cared.

01:08:11.000 It was just such a boring style.

01:08:13.000 Yeah, he didn't want to mix it up and put it on the line.

01:08:16.000 He was more concerned with his legacy, I guess, and playing it safe.

01:08:20.000 And you know what I mean?

01:08:21.000 I think it's like, if you look at wrestling or even MMA, you guys come back.

01:08:26.000 You guys fight and you lose.

01:08:27.000 Okay, you come back.

01:08:28.000 You fight again.

01:08:29.000 Yeah.

01:08:29.000 There's no set schedule one with these guys with boxing.

01:08:32.000 And then guys don't want to lose.

01:08:34.000 And then they fighting guys.

01:08:35.000 They fighting what I call pies.

01:08:36.000 They fighting pies just to stack up their record.

01:08:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:40.000 So they got great records.

01:08:41.000 And we all do it.

01:08:42.000 You got to pass.

01:08:43.000 It's the game.

01:08:44.000 Unfortunately, it's the game.

01:08:44.000 But if you were telling me, look, you can fight...

01:08:47.000 You can fight Klitschko, and win, lose, or draw, you're guaranteed going to fight another fight for $3 million.

01:08:52.000 You'd fight this guy all the time.

01:08:55.000 But what happens is when you lose, then you go back to making $500 a fight, $5,000 a fight.

01:09:00.000 So guys don't want to lose.

01:09:02.000 Right.

01:09:02.000 It's just part of the game.

01:09:03.000 In boxing, the record, the winning record is so much more important than in MMA. In MMA, it's just about being exciting.

01:09:09.000 If a guy has some losses, nobody gives a shit.

01:09:11.000 You know I 4K won, right?

01:09:12.000 Yeah.

01:09:13.000 Yeah, you did, right?

01:09:14.000 What was that like?

01:09:15.000 Getting leg kicked.

01:09:16.000 The worst thing ever.

01:09:17.000 Never again.

01:09:19.000 The worst thing ever.

01:09:21.000 Who did you fight?

01:09:23.000 Erickson?

01:09:24.000 Tom Erickson.

01:09:25.000 Tom Erickson.

01:09:25.000 Let's go, champ.

01:09:26.000 Yeah.

01:09:27.000 Well, I kicked the shit out of me, champ.

01:09:28.000 Yeah.

01:09:29.000 I think I'm the first guy ever to scream in the history.

01:09:32.000 Ah!

01:09:34.000 Did you train at all leg kicks?

01:09:36.000 I did.

01:09:37.000 I did.

01:09:39.000 Shit.

01:09:40.000 It was for nothing because he kicked the hell out of me.

01:09:42.000 He's a big fella.

01:09:43.000 Oh, man.

01:09:43.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:09:45.000 It sounded like two bats hitting together.

01:09:49.000 I said, if he kicked me one more time, I gotta go down.

01:09:52.000 I can't take it.

01:09:52.000 I don't care.

01:09:53.000 I said, I can't take it.

01:09:54.000 If he, one more, he kicked me again.

01:09:56.000 Pow! 0.91

01:09:57.000 I said, that's it, that's it.

01:09:59.000 And I jabbed him to the body. 0.94

01:10:01.000 Boof! 1.00

01:10:02.000 And he looked at me, because I'm able to read fast.

01:10:05.000 You gotta be able to read within tenths of a second, milliseconds in boxing.

01:10:08.000 I read in his eyes that that wasn't that bad.

01:10:12.000 Like, he must have felt like...

01:10:14.000 It wasn't that strong of a punch.

01:10:15.000 He could come in.

01:10:15.000 He came in the punch at that point.

01:10:17.000 And when he came in the punch, I let the cannon go.

01:10:21.000 Left, right.

01:10:22.000 Poof.

01:10:22.000 Hit him, champ.

01:10:23.000 Got him on top of the head.

01:10:24.000 Sheesh.

01:10:25.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

01:10:26.000 Got him, champ.

01:10:27.000 I get excited because I know the feeling now.

01:10:29.000 I've tapped in.

01:10:30.000 All these years I was playing with the game.

01:10:32.000 Now I finally tapped in because I've focused and concentrated on just doing this that now I know how to put it there.

01:10:39.000 I know how.

01:10:39.000 This is my gift.

01:10:41.000 This has been my gift.

01:10:42.000 I've had a rough life, but my gift is that I have a talent in something that I've always kind of ran from.

01:10:47.000 I've had my own reasons, but now I've got it.

01:10:50.000 I've channeled this.

01:10:51.000 I've channeled this shit.

01:10:52.000 How did the K-1 thing come about?

01:10:54.000 Oh, man.

01:10:55.000 Herman Caicedo.

01:10:55.000 Shout out to Herman.

01:10:56.000 He, you know, me and the hustle, me and the struggle, trying to make some bread.

01:11:00.000 Man, I'm a businessman.

01:11:01.000 I'm a working man.

01:11:03.000 I'm a businessman.

01:11:03.000 I'm a working man.

01:11:04.000 And it's work.

01:11:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:06.000 I was going to fight in...

01:11:09.000 UFC! I came out to Vegas, champ.

01:11:11.000 Dana put me up at the prom or somewhere.

01:11:16.000 MG, he put me up in a suite.

01:11:18.000 He was talking about me fighting.

01:11:19.000 What's my boy's name?

01:11:20.000 The big white dude.

01:11:21.000 Back in the days.

01:11:22.000 I'm going to say around 2005, 2006. Randy Couture?

01:11:28.000 No.

01:11:29.000 Big white dude.

01:11:30.000 Tall, tall, tall.

01:11:30.000 Tall white dude.

01:11:31.000 Tim Sylvia?

01:11:32.000 No, give me one more.

01:11:33.000 Stefan Struve?

01:11:34.000 No.

01:11:36.000 How highly ranked was the guy?

01:11:38.000 He was the one.

01:11:38.000 He became the champ.

01:11:40.000 Okay.

01:11:40.000 He wanted me to fight him.

01:11:41.000 They put me in.

01:11:42.000 Flew me in.

01:11:43.000 Put me in.

01:11:43.000 Dana know me well.

01:11:44.000 It wasn't Tim Sylvia?

01:11:46.000 Not Tim Sylvia.

01:11:47.000 It was before Tim Sylvia probably.

01:11:49.000 It was a tall dude.

01:11:50.000 Real tall.

01:11:51.000 Or after other Tim Sylvia.

01:11:53.000 Tall white dude.

01:11:53.000 He wound up fighting.

01:11:55.000 Tim Sylvia fought Ray Mercer and Ray Mercer knocked him out with one punch.

01:11:59.000 He fought Ray.

01:12:00.000 Oh, okay.

01:12:01.000 That's him.

01:12:02.000 Wait a minute.

01:12:03.000 Ray Mercer also fought...

01:12:05.000 Ray Mercer ain't beat him.

01:12:07.000 No.

01:12:07.000 Ray Mercer fought Kimbo Slice and Kimbo guillotined him.

01:12:11.000 And then Ray Mercer fought Tim Sylvia.

01:12:14.000 And it was supposed to be a boxing match, but the Athletic Commission wouldn't sanction it for a boxing match because Tim Sylvia didn't have any boxing matches.

01:12:21.000 Right.

01:12:21.000 I have to see his picture, though.

01:12:22.000 If I see a picture, I can tell you.

01:12:24.000 Tall, and his hair was hanging down, like, lying along.

01:12:26.000 He could box, though.

01:12:27.000 He could box, though.

01:12:29.000 The kid could box.

01:12:30.000 He had some good shit, though, with his hands.

01:12:31.000 I don't know of his name, but dude could get busy.

01:12:34.000 I was going to fight.

01:12:34.000 He asked me to fight him.

01:12:36.000 We were like, look, Herman was negotiating for me again.

01:12:39.000 He was like, yo, give us somebody a little easier.

01:12:42.000 Because they wanted me to fight, um, what's his name?

01:12:45.000 Not Mark Hunt.

01:12:46.000 The black brother. 0.55

01:12:47.000 What's his name?

01:12:48.000 He was fighting K1 for a while.

01:12:50.000 He fought UFC 2. Gary Goodridge?

01:12:52.000 Gary Goodridge.

01:12:53.000 Let's go champ. 0.96

01:12:54.000 They wanted me to fight Goodridge champ.

01:12:56.000 Yup.

01:12:56.000 Yeah champ.

01:12:57.000 I've been in the game champ.

01:12:59.000 So did you take any wrestling classes or anything?

01:13:01.000 I did.

01:13:02.000 Listen.

01:13:03.000 You ready for this?

01:13:04.000 Yeah.

01:13:04.000 You ready for this?

01:13:05.000 I'm ready.

01:13:05.000 Let's go champ.

01:13:06.000 American top team.

01:13:07.000 Dan Lambert.

01:13:08.000 That's my boy.

01:13:10.000 Dan is my boy.

01:13:11.000 Dan is my boy, man.

01:13:13.000 Dan is my homie.

01:13:14.000 When they were in a storefront in Boca, no gym, a storefront in Boca, I went down there because they wanted me to teach them boxing.

01:13:23.000 That was like 2001. Wow.

01:13:26.000 And I started messing with them, and I was doing some Taekwondo, and I was doing MMA, you know, jiu-jitsu and all that, and it was kicking my ass, but I was loving it.

01:13:35.000 I was getting strong.

01:13:36.000 I was like, yo, this may be a great type of thing to cross up with the boxing, because when I'm in the clinches, you know what I'm saying?

01:13:42.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:43.000 Big difference in the clinches, right?

01:13:44.000 Huge, man.

01:13:44.000 That's why strength training is important.

01:13:46.000 Yeah.

01:13:47.000 It's important for boxing now, and these days.

01:13:48.000 So what happened?

01:13:49.000 How come you never wound up doing an MMA fight?

01:13:52.000 Besides not wanting to get my ass kicked...

01:13:57.000 Wrestling's hard on the body.

01:13:58.000 Hard.

01:13:59.000 Brutal.

01:14:00.000 Brutal.

01:14:00.000 On the joints, the neck, the back.

01:14:02.000 Yeah.

01:14:03.000 It'd be like me playing basketball.

01:14:04.000 I can't dribble.

01:14:05.000 I'm like the only black man in the world can't dribble basketball.

01:14:08.000 I can't catch a football, you know?

01:14:10.000 Wow.

01:14:11.000 So you just decided it's just not for you?

01:14:13.000 Not safe.

01:14:14.000 After that K1 experience, man, I tell you, champ, I was like, man...

01:14:17.000 You know, it's funny because I went back to the hotel and I was chilling.

01:14:21.000 I was laying in bed and I went to sleep.

01:14:23.000 I just had a little couple bruises.

01:14:24.000 And when I woke up, my entire both legs were black and blue.

01:14:28.000 I was like, I panicked.

01:14:30.000 I was like, oh, snap.

01:14:30.000 I was like, oh, shit.

01:14:32.000 I was like, yo, Herman, just get me out of here.

01:14:33.000 They paid me well, chap.

01:14:34.000 I might have made like, in over two years, I made a good chunk of change over there.

01:14:39.000 I went to IRS chasing me.

01:14:40.000 I got no bread.

01:14:43.000 I mean, it was fun.

01:14:44.000 It was fun.

01:14:45.000 It was fun.

01:14:46.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

01:14:47.000 So you decided one and done with K-1.

01:14:49.000 Yeah, K-1 wasn't a thing for me.

01:14:52.000 But I love it.

01:14:52.000 I love watching it.

01:14:53.000 I think that the training was tremendous for me.

01:14:55.000 I was in the gym the other day.

01:14:56.000 What was his name?

01:14:57.000 Tyrone Sponge?

01:14:57.000 Mm-hmm.

01:14:58.000 That's the champ, for real.

01:14:59.000 Tyrone Sponge's a bad motherfucker.

01:15:00.000 He's the man, for real.

01:15:01.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

01:15:02.000 He said he's going to help me out with my kickboxing, you know what I mean?

01:15:04.000 Because I think he's definitely going to help my boxing.

01:15:06.000 Yeah, he's in the borderline.

01:15:07.000 He's been doing a lot of boxing matches and not exactly sure if he's going back to kickboxing.

01:15:12.000 He'll fight anybody, anywhere, anytime, though.

01:15:14.000 I mean, he's just waiting for the right contract, whether it's MMA or anything.

01:15:17.000 He's a beast.

01:15:18.000 He's very talented.

01:15:19.000 He's a beast.

01:15:20.000 Very smart dude, too.

01:15:21.000 He's on the ball.

01:15:22.000 Yeah, I'm gonna be working with him for this fight as well.

01:15:24.000 Oh, beautiful.

01:15:25.000 So you said you're very close to purse bids.

01:15:30.000 So it's happening 100% whether this guy is in or not.

01:15:34.000 If they give me the belt in a box, I'll take it.

01:15:38.000 I'd rather win it in the ring.

01:15:39.000 But I'm frustrated.

01:15:42.000 I ain't gonna lie to you, champ.

01:15:43.000 I'm very frustrated.

01:15:43.000 I'm trying to be happy about my situation because I am getting in a fight.

01:15:47.000 But again, the politics of boxing where the ups and downs, these managers are shifty and they're saying one thing and they're telling me the way.

01:15:56.000 I don't know why.

01:15:56.000 See, the whole thing with me is, like what happened with Hay and it's happened to me so many times, I live in fear that I'm going to get shagged.

01:16:03.000 Like, okay, what are they going to shag me with now?

01:16:05.000 Because they're delaying.

01:16:07.000 So what's next?

01:16:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:16:08.000 I'm expecting something.

01:16:09.000 If nothing happens, I'm hoping for the best, but I'm ready.

01:16:13.000 It's gotta be a weird situation for you, right?

01:16:15.000 Yeah, it's all good, champ.

01:16:16.000 I'm the champ, and this is what they gotta do to try to keep me down.

01:16:19.000 Well, the heavyweight division right now is exciting, though.

01:16:21.000 Yeah, it's pumping now, thanks to the champ.

01:16:23.000 Yeah, that's a big part of it.

01:16:25.000 Yeah.

01:16:25.000 But there's a lot of good stuff happening, right?

01:16:27.000 Yeah.

01:16:27.000 And what did you think about Ortiz's fight the other night?

01:16:30.000 It was...

01:16:30.000 Shocking that he went the distance, right?

01:16:32.000 No, not at all.

01:16:33.000 No?

01:16:33.000 Not at all, because he fought Malik Scott, who was a guy who was in top shape.

01:16:37.000 Look at his Instagram.

01:16:38.000 Always training.

01:16:39.000 Always training.

01:16:41.000 Fought...

01:16:41.000 Very defensively.

01:16:43.000 Very defensively, which is hard to beat a guy like that.

01:16:45.000 It's hard to knock out a guy who don't want to get knocked out, champ.

01:16:47.000 You feel me?

01:16:48.000 A guy say, I'm not getting knocked out, he's going to do whatever he can not to get knocked out.

01:16:51.000 Doesn't mean he's going to fight you back.

01:16:53.000 It means he ain't getting knocked out, and that's what he did.

01:16:56.000 No knock to Ortiz, but he did what he had to do.

01:16:59.000 It just happens.

01:17:00.000 There was once on Instagram where you're mocking Deontay Wilder's technique with his legs coming up off the ground when he was punching.

01:17:07.000 I actually like him, but you know what?

01:17:09.000 You gotta do what you gotta do.

01:17:10.000 Yeah, that, for real.

01:17:11.000 I like him, actually.

01:17:12.000 I think he can fight.

01:17:13.000 I think he's very talented.

01:17:14.000 I think he's dangerous to anybody, including myself.

01:17:17.000 He's a vicious puncher.

01:17:18.000 He's a wild puncher.

01:17:20.000 He's one of those bony strong.

01:17:21.000 You know, those bony dudes hit you, boy. 1.00

01:17:23.000 Woo! 0.99

01:17:24.000 You're finished.

01:17:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:25.000 So, he's dangerous.

01:17:26.000 He can punch.

01:17:28.000 You know, He kind of like, you know, not that he offended me because I don't give a shit, you know what I'm saying?

01:17:35.000 But he kind of took it like personal that I was coming after him.

01:17:38.000 And I wasn't, you know, I'm a jokester.

01:17:39.000 I like to have fun and bug out.

01:17:41.000 He kind of took it like a little bit like, oh, you know, this and I'm like, damn, I ain't like that.

01:17:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:17:46.000 I'm not a street dude, but I really could be whatever you want me to be because I'm from the streets, you know what I'm saying?

01:17:51.000 But I was like, don't do that, you know what I mean?

01:17:53.000 Because...

01:17:53.000 Try to hype up a fight.

01:17:54.000 Yeah, yeah, that's what I do.

01:17:55.000 I do.

01:17:55.000 But I get busy.

01:17:56.000 If you touch me, if you put me to that point in the street anywhere, I'm gnome.

01:18:00.000 I'm not that type of person, but I'll defend the champ because I got to make it home to my babies.

01:18:04.000 I love him.

01:18:05.000 You feel me?

01:18:05.000 So I ain't gonna let nobody ever hurt the champ.

01:18:07.000 Did you ever see that video where Deontay Wilder boxed some internet troll?

01:18:10.000 Beat the shit out of him?

01:18:11.000 Yeah, I seen that.

01:18:12.000 That guy's fucking crazy.

01:18:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:14.000 I'm gonna knock Deontay Wilder out. 0.99

01:18:15.000 I'm going to knock out Lucas Brown and then I'm going to let Beyonce Wilder I'm going to let Beyonce put up his BC belt and I'm going to knock him flat.

01:18:29.000 Starch out.

01:18:30.000 Starch.

01:18:32.000 I would like to see that.

01:18:33.000 I would like to see the fight for sure.

01:18:35.000 Yeah, let's go champ. 0.87

01:18:36.000 Yeah, let's go champ. 0.87

01:18:37.000 The hat is out.

01:18:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:18:39.000 Now, when you're 45 years old in December...

01:18:43.000 December 4th.

01:18:45.000 Realistically, how much more time do you think you're going to be fighting?

01:18:47.000 After I knock out Brown, and hopefully I'll get the winner of Klitschko and Joshua, Anthony Joshua, who's a tremendous talent.

01:18:56.000 After that, I'll go after whoever has the belt, man.

01:19:01.000 I'm going to keep it.

01:19:02.000 Like Larry Holmes said, don't stop.

01:19:04.000 Larry told me don't stop.

01:19:06.000 He said, keep fighting.

01:19:06.000 That's what you do.

01:19:07.000 Make money.

01:19:07.000 Have fun.

01:19:08.000 Enjoy your life.

01:19:08.000 And who's having more fun than me?

01:19:10.000 Everywhere I go, champ, people will be all saying, have you happy.

01:19:13.000 They're motivated.

01:19:13.000 And that's, to me, for the first time in my life, giving me some purpose.

01:19:16.000 Other than making money, I've been struggling to make money since I came home from school and didn't have a place to live.

01:19:21.000 For once in my life, for once in my life, I'm doing something that's not involved, like, me using the money from a fight to buy a car and look fancy and, you know, hang out.

01:19:30.000 I'm just being myself.

01:19:32.000 I'm a bum.

01:19:32.000 Champ's a bum.

01:19:33.000 I don't have clothes.

01:19:34.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:19:34.000 I don't buy...

01:19:35.000 I refuse because that was part of my downfall.

01:19:38.000 You know, you know...

01:19:39.000 Wanting things, wanting material things, finding power and things like that to make myself feel good.

01:19:46.000 I'm going to go buy a new car.

01:19:47.000 I'm going to buy a chain.

01:19:48.000 I'm going to buy a hat.

01:19:49.000 I'm going to buy this expensive Fendi sweater.

01:19:51.000 Nah, the champ don't do none of that shit. 0.86

01:19:52.000 The champ dressed like a bum.

01:19:54.000 This is me, you know what I'm saying?

01:19:55.000 Because I'm not putting value in that anymore.

01:19:57.000 What I'm finding so amazing is that everywhere I go, people are saying, hey, champ, thanks for the videos, man.

01:20:03.000 We love you, man.

01:20:03.000 Can I get a picture?

01:20:04.000 Can I get a video?

01:20:05.000 Nothing can outdo that, champ, because I've had a little bit of money, never made a lot of money, like those guys with hundreds of millions of dollars, but I made a little bit of money for me to feel good, you know what I'm saying?

01:20:14.000 But I never felt love.

01:20:17.000 You know, my mom was in the streets trying to, you know, put a roof over my head. 0.77

01:20:21.000 I never had a dad, you know what I'm saying?

01:20:23.000 I never had a brother or sister.

01:20:25.000 I was basically on my own.

01:20:26.000 You know, if you look at my personality, you can tell I watch a lot of television.

01:20:29.000 I grew up reading comic books, you know, cartoons.

01:20:31.000 So I never had love.

01:20:33.000 And to have what I feel is love from people who genuinely don't know me and just see me and say, man, thank you.

01:20:39.000 The emails, that's more fulfilling than anything I've ever felt.

01:20:43.000 You feel me?

01:20:43.000 I do feel you.

01:20:44.000 I think it's important, man.

01:20:45.000 I think your message is important and what you're saying about about having all that bullshit all the material possessions and counting on it You know, I remember Chuck D talking about that once, you know It was during the height of when people had giant wheels on their fucking cars And he was like he was like I drive a Ford Explorer and he's like in I don't put any any I felt so sad that I was a slave to it.

01:21:12.000 I feel so miserable when I think about the days that I spent money on, sweaters, cars, jewelry, bottles at the club.

01:21:20.000 I'm just like, damn, what was I doing?

01:21:24.000 It's a big thing.

01:21:25.000 It's part of our culture because we never had shit.

01:21:29.000 So now we're like, you're feeling good because someone's admiring you for anything.

01:21:33.000 The admiration is what becomes intoxication.

01:21:36.000 For me, it was that as well.

01:21:39.000 I'm finding gratitude and things that...

01:21:43.000 I was smart, though, because I always wanted to keep a place, a roof over my head, and I'll put value in that as well.

01:21:47.000 But, you know, a lot of other things, too, was for showing off for other people.

01:21:50.000 And once I was able to get past that...

01:21:54.000 And that was, you know, part of me was cutting my hair, you know, having locks for 27 years.

01:21:59.000 And people, when I cut my hair, man, just the response from people was just, it was amazing.

01:22:03.000 Just the people would look at me like, wow, look at you.

01:22:06.000 You cut your hair, you're finished.

01:22:09.000 You'll never be nothing.

01:22:11.000 Boxing's over for you.

01:22:12.000 Why did they think it was over?

01:22:13.000 Because you cut your hair.

01:22:14.000 That didn't make any sense at all.

01:22:15.000 Bro, it was the sickest thing.

01:22:16.000 It was like the most...

01:22:26.000 You're finished.

01:22:27.000 You'll never make another movie.

01:22:29.000 You'll never fight.

01:22:30.000 That was your marketing tool.

01:22:33.000 I was like, no, no, I can really fight.

01:22:36.000 I was like, no, I really got hands.

01:22:37.000 And they were like, you know, and no one believed in me.

01:22:40.000 So that's what makes this thing even more powerful than the fact that I got rid of that hair and I'm still doing my thing.

01:22:46.000 I'm still a champ.

01:22:46.000 What a weird thing for people to focus on.

01:22:49.000 Dreadlocks.

01:22:50.000 Yeah.

01:22:50.000 Marketing.

01:22:50.000 They looked at it like it was a marketing.

01:22:52.000 Well, it was back in the day.

01:22:53.000 That was a big part of who you were.

01:22:54.000 I mean, they always marketed your hair.

01:22:56.000 Right.

01:22:57.000 The crazy dreadlocks.

01:22:58.000 Right, right, right.

01:22:58.000 I understand, but I don't understand because if you know me, you really know me that that's just nothing.

01:23:05.000 And again, the hair was blocking me.

01:23:07.000 The hair was blocking my vibe because I was like, yo, the hair had its own personality.

01:23:13.000 You feel me?

01:23:14.000 The hair had its own personality.

01:23:15.000 And then there's really Shannon and cutting the hair and seeing how people treated me, I was like, you know what?

01:23:21.000 It's cool.

01:23:22.000 I'm just going to be me.

01:23:23.000 You know, I'm not going to try to talk correct or, you know what I'm saying?

01:23:28.000 My addiction is going to be what it's going to be.

01:23:30.000 People tell me, oh, Shannon, why don't you do movies?

01:23:31.000 Why don't you do this?

01:23:32.000 Listen, I don't speak well, champ.

01:23:34.000 I'm a hardcore ghetto.

01:23:35.000 You speak great.

01:23:37.000 I understand every word you're saying.

01:23:38.000 Thank you, champ.

01:23:39.000 But listen, you know what I mean?

01:23:40.000 I'm not the type, you feel me?

01:23:41.000 I'm just keeping it real.

01:23:43.000 I've learned one thing, and shout out to Chris Lawrence, stay in your lane.

01:23:46.000 You know, and that's one of his best sayings, and I hear him say it all the time, but it's true.

01:23:49.000 I've learned that.

01:23:50.000 Stay in my lane, champ.

01:23:51.000 You know what you're really good at?

01:23:52.000 What's that, champ?

01:23:52.000 You're really good at being Shannon.

01:23:54.000 Let's go, Shannon.

01:23:55.000 That's what you're really good at.

01:23:56.000 You're really good at being you.

01:23:57.000 And that took me, and thank you again, one more time.

01:24:00.000 And I mean that because that's what I didn't know who I was.

01:24:04.000 I didn't know who I was.

01:24:05.000 I grew up Overnight.

01:24:07.000 Well, it's understandable.

01:24:08.000 I mean, it takes a long time for everybody if everything's worked out perfectly.

01:24:12.000 Really?

01:24:12.000 Yeah, man.

01:24:13.000 Everybody.

01:24:14.000 Everybody.

01:24:14.000 Every person that's ever lived.

01:24:16.000 No one ever...

01:24:17.000 If you do, you're a fool.

01:24:18.000 I mean, if you're like 18 years old, you got it all figured out, get the fuck out of here.

01:24:24.000 I know what I did because I had my own apartment when I was like 15. So I was like, you know, not my own, but I had an apartment when I was 15. It was like a, what do you call it when you're living in a place where you're squatting, in a sense.

01:24:36.000 But, you know, I was like, I've been on my own all my life.

01:24:38.000 A friend of mine, Jesse Robertson, said to me one day, he said, you know, Champ, you've basically been making your own decisions since you was a kid.

01:24:45.000 But now you understand yourself better.

01:24:47.000 Yeah.

01:24:47.000 I didn't know who the fuck I was, Champ.

01:24:49.000 Right.

01:24:49.000 I didn't know who I was.

01:24:50.000 I just knew that I was living.

01:24:54.000 Well, going through all the bad times, I think, is probably what has made your character so strong today.

01:24:59.000 And now that everything's good, you understand the importance of keeping it good.

01:25:03.000 That's why this positive message that you keep pumping out.

01:25:06.000 And that's why this, let's go, champ!

01:25:08.000 I'm one sip away from...

01:25:12.000 A fruit punch from not feeling good.

01:25:14.000 I went to Roscoe's yesterday.

01:25:16.000 You know, great food, I guess.

01:25:17.000 Chicken and waffles.

01:25:18.000 Yeah, and I had a...

01:25:19.000 I took a sip of the...

01:25:20.000 What's it called?

01:25:21.000 The lemonade, sunrise, I don't know, the fruit punch and the sugar.

01:25:23.000 That sugary shit.

01:25:24.000 Got me thinking bad.

01:25:25.000 I was like, oh man, I feel terrible.

01:25:28.000 Like, so again, I say that.

01:25:29.000 You say I'm on the path and that's a great path.

01:25:31.000 But it's so crucial to...

01:25:35.000 Diet's important.

01:25:36.000 Who I'm around is important.

01:25:38.000 You feel what I'm saying?

01:25:39.000 Because that's the energy.

01:25:40.000 You feel me?

01:25:41.000 If I'm around somebody doing some negative shit...

01:25:43.000 I'm not on that.

01:25:44.000 Yeah.

01:25:44.000 So I don't need to be around this person.

01:25:46.000 I don't even listen to, like, that much hip-hop.

01:25:48.000 I listen to beats.

01:25:50.000 I don't even, because I don't want to hear you drinking, you smoking.

01:25:52.000 You want to screw this girl, you this, you that.

01:25:54.000 You got this.

01:25:55.000 You got this car.

01:25:56.000 I got the watch.

01:25:57.000 I don't need that, champ.

01:25:58.000 I already went through that.

01:25:59.000 And that was a bad portion of my life.

01:26:01.000 The 90s is something I wish never happened that I can remember.

01:26:04.000 The 90s, until four years ago, I don't feel like I was alive.

01:26:09.000 Yeah, I don't feel like I was alive.

01:26:10.000 And that's credit to my family, man.

01:26:12.000 My wife and kids, man.

01:26:13.000 They really held me down.

01:26:14.000 I'm crazy, champ.

01:26:15.000 This ain't no act.

01:26:17.000 I've been through some shit.

01:26:18.000 I believe you.

01:26:18.000 Yeah, I've been through some shit, man, you know?

01:26:20.000 What is all that crazy music you play in the background when you do your videos?

01:26:23.000 What is that?

01:26:23.000 That's just beats, champ.

01:26:25.000 Shout out to the Loud Lord OG Tags.

01:26:27.000 These are just beats.

01:26:28.000 Razie K, all the people, man, you know what I'm saying?

01:26:30.000 Courtney Scott, all the people.

01:26:32.000 She's a female from L.A., makes beats. 1.00

01:26:34.000 She's amazing.

01:26:35.000 I mean, I had to, like, do a detox.

01:26:38.000 Like, I don't watch certain things on television.

01:26:40.000 You know, you're flicking the channel, what you got, First 48, Lock Up.

01:26:43.000 You got negativity, news.

01:26:45.000 I had to do a detox from the news lately.

01:26:48.000 I don't watch any more news.

01:26:50.000 The presidential election, all this shit is going crazy.

01:26:53.000 I don't want to be involved because I'm involved with something else.

01:26:56.000 Boxing.

01:26:56.000 I'm focused on Lucas Brown.

01:26:58.000 I can't focus on Trump and Hillary.

01:27:00.000 I got to focus on Shannon Briggs and me and Lucas locking ass whenever we get a date.

01:27:04.000 You feel me?

01:27:05.000 So I've learned to put things in perspective.

01:27:08.000 Shannon, this ain't for you.

01:27:09.000 I can't watch the internet and watch so much brutal knockout videos and this girl's doing that and this guy. 1.00

01:27:15.000 I don't need to be involved with that.

01:27:16.000 And that's what a lot of people need to learn.

01:27:18.000 And a lot of people who follow me on kids, And they say, thanks champ.

01:27:23.000 Because what I see the most damaging thing right now in America or around the world, forget that, around the world, is that kids don't have guidance.

01:27:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:32.000 So they got Uncle Champ.

01:27:34.000 You feel me?

01:27:34.000 Some kids, thousands of kids hit me like you're like a dad to me, man.

01:27:37.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:37.000 I didn't have a dad.

01:27:38.000 I didn't have a role model.

01:27:39.000 I didn't have nothing.

01:27:40.000 So they're looking at my videos.

01:27:41.000 With days I don't want to make videos, Joe, I get texts, Champ, you okay?

01:27:46.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:27:47.000 You okay, Champ?

01:27:48.000 We haven't heard from you in a couple of days.

01:27:49.000 So I have a responsibility now to help others, make them feel happy by being happy sometimes when I don't even feel happy.

01:27:56.000 Well, I think one of the things you're saying that's really important is you're talking about a mental diet as well as a physical diet.

01:28:01.000 100%.

01:28:01.000 And I think you really do have a mental diet.

01:28:03.000 And if you just take in nothing but negative things all day and around negative people, and especially when you just expose yourself to 7 billion people's worth of news, and the only stuff that gets popular is the stuff that's fucked up.

01:28:14.000 Nasty shit, bro.

01:28:15.000 It'll fuck with your head.

01:28:16.000 Nasty.

01:28:17.000 I mean, forget your head, because then it physically starts feeling blood.

01:28:21.000 I felt so crazy with this election.

01:28:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:28:24.000 Physically, I was like, man.

01:28:26.000 That's when I was like, you know what?

01:28:27.000 That's it.

01:28:28.000 I came home.

01:28:28.000 I was like, that's it.

01:28:29.000 No more.

01:28:29.000 I told my wife.

01:28:30.000 I said, no, I said, no.

01:28:31.000 I said, please, do me a favor.

01:28:32.000 If you want to watch this stuff, do me a favor.

01:28:34.000 Please, just TiVo it and watch it when the champ's not around, because I can't.

01:28:37.000 It's really affecting me, because I got to worry about training.

01:28:40.000 I got to think about that.

01:28:41.000 I don't want to be worried about what they do.

01:28:43.000 What happens is going to happen.

01:28:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:28:45.000 It's going to affect me or it's not going to affect me.

01:28:47.000 I'm going to deal with that then.

01:28:48.000 But right now, I've got to focus on me.

01:28:50.000 And that's what I couldn't do, champ.

01:28:51.000 And I don't blame anybody.

01:28:53.000 But if you're out there on prescription drugs, I was taking all types of inhalers all my life.

01:28:59.000 Since I was a prominent teen from early days.

01:29:01.000 Kids, that stuff is bad for you mentally, champ.

01:29:03.000 Is it?

01:29:03.000 Bad for you mentally, man.

01:29:05.000 What does it do for you?

01:29:06.000 Oh man, the anxiety, the jitters, the brain, the chemistry, what it does to your brain, man.

01:29:11.000 It alters it, champ.

01:29:13.000 Oh, you got to be careful.

01:29:14.000 I'm not telling you, take your medicine, follow your doctors.

01:29:16.000 I'm not telling you, don't listen to your doctors.

01:29:18.000 But me personally, I had to go on a journey to find out how to save me.

01:29:24.000 Because I went to every doctor.

01:29:25.000 They don't know anything about hormones and This and that. 0.67

01:29:29.000 They don't know anything.

01:29:30.000 They don't know.

01:29:31.000 I heard you once say, if you want to find out about your hormones, find a super older doctor that looks great that knows about this type of shit. 1.00

01:29:38.000 Because when you're feeling depressed and your testosterone is like 80 or 20, you feel like killing yourself, champ.

01:29:44.000 You've got to do something.

01:29:46.000 People can't hand you a bunch of pills and say, this is going to make you feel better.

01:29:50.000 You're still going to have low tests, which for a man is going to make you feel like a bitch. 1.00

01:29:55.000 Excuse my language, but it's just a fact.

01:29:57.000 So...

01:29:58.000 All these different factors play a role, and also again, back to what you're saying, what you're watching, the mental diet.

01:30:03.000 If you're watching people getting killed all day, You're going to feel a certain way.

01:30:09.000 All this shit is going in your brain and your mental storage.

01:30:11.000 You feel me?

01:30:11.000 And now you're just wondering why.

01:30:12.000 And then you're eating sugar, eating cookies and donuts and fast food and Chinese food.

01:30:16.000 This shit ain't helping you either, champ.

01:30:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:19.000 And that's what I'm telling people every day.

01:30:21.000 Champ, leave it alone.

01:30:22.000 It's too tempting.

01:30:23.000 Everywhere you go, you see fast food.

01:30:25.000 Take the food home and cook it yourself.

01:30:26.000 We've got to try the best.

01:30:28.000 And the problem is, it's not cheap.

01:30:30.000 Who can afford to go to Whole Foods every day?

01:30:32.000 Right.

01:30:33.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:30:34.000 It's hard.

01:30:34.000 I'm struggling.

01:30:35.000 Who can afford every day to spend $150, $200 for their family every day?

01:30:40.000 That shit is hard, champ.

01:30:41.000 I think what you're saying is very important.

01:30:43.000 It's very important about a mental and a physical diet.

01:30:45.000 It's the same thing.

01:30:47.000 When you're watching all the violence on television or all the negative news, it's like sugar.

01:30:51.000 It's very compelling and easy to take in and nut it for you.

01:30:54.000 Terrible.

01:30:55.000 I had that sugar drink last night and three sips in.

01:30:58.000 I was like, because I'm not used to it.

01:30:59.000 I was feeling it.

01:31:01.000 I was like, yo, champ.

01:31:02.000 This is what people drinking every day.

01:31:04.000 All day, every day.

01:31:05.000 Like there's nothing.

01:31:06.000 And I was that big.

01:31:06.000 I was dumb.

01:31:07.000 How was I able to do it now I can't take a sip?

01:31:11.000 It's crazy how your body adjusts.

01:31:13.000 Amazing.

01:31:13.000 Your body adapts to not having sugar and feeling healthy, and then when you do have something that's unhealthy, you feel it like you really feel it deep in your body.

01:31:21.000 And your mood.

01:31:22.000 And your mood change.

01:31:23.000 You feel me?

01:31:23.000 I crash.

01:31:24.000 Yeah, man.

01:31:25.000 I had a cheeseburger and a milkshake, man, and it was like somebody hit me with a tranquilizer dart.

01:31:30.000 Man!

01:31:30.000 I felt terrible.

01:31:31.000 I'm telling you, bro.

01:31:32.000 It was crazy.

01:31:32.000 Before, I would eat that and it would be nothing.

01:31:34.000 Crazy.

01:31:35.000 But I think what you're saying, I think, is very important for people to take in, you know, and having a person like you who's experienced these great highs and lows and then come out of it with this positive energy, that is so powerful for people.

01:31:49.000 That's such an important, motivational thing for other people, though, man.

01:31:53.000 There's no other way.

01:31:53.000 Yeah, as much as you're helping yourself, and I know you're helping yourself, you're helping a lot of people, man.

01:31:58.000 You really are.

01:31:59.000 We're helping each other.

01:32:00.000 No, no, we're helping each other.

01:32:01.000 I mean, honestly, there's nothing.

01:32:02.000 I said from the beginning that this ain't mine.

01:32:04.000 You know, I patented.

01:32:05.000 I trademarked the name.

01:32:06.000 I mean, I trademarked the saying and everything.

01:32:08.000 You trademarked Let's Go Champ?

01:32:09.000 I had to, Champ.

01:32:10.000 Go to let'sgochamp.com.

01:32:12.000 Yeah, I had to, you know.

01:32:13.000 I had so many ups and downs.

01:32:15.000 Like I told you, when I tell you no lie, bro, I got nothing to lie to you about.

01:32:18.000 I was involved with some major deals.

01:32:20.000 When I'm talking about from at the top in the beginning in business and entertainment.

01:32:26.000 And the champ didn't, you know, come out on a good side.

01:32:28.000 So, a lot of times.

01:32:30.000 A lot of times enough to say, damn, am I stupid or something?

01:32:33.000 But, you know, just trust and belief and getting shagged.

01:32:36.000 It's a dirty business.

01:32:37.000 It's a dirty game, champ.

01:32:38.000 Boxing is dirty and it's been dirty forever.

01:32:40.000 Business is dirty.

01:32:41.000 All business.

01:32:42.000 All business is dirty.

01:32:43.000 So, that's what I learned.

01:32:44.000 And, you know, coming out where I am now and, you know, I trademarked it because I said, you know what?

01:32:50.000 It was starting to fizzle.

01:32:53.000 I was really passionate about it because it's something that I was saying.

01:32:56.000 Again, I didn't have nobody around me.

01:32:58.000 I used to have friends with me all the time.

01:33:00.000 I'm training, whatever.

01:33:01.000 They all left.

01:33:02.000 It was all moved on.

01:33:03.000 So for me, I was like, no entourage, nobody to push me.

01:33:06.000 I got to push myself.

01:33:07.000 So I started talking to myself.

01:33:09.000 Something that I never did.

01:33:10.000 And that's a whole other story.

01:33:12.000 I'm going to tell you in the book why I refused to talk to myself.

01:33:15.000 Why did you refuse to talk to yourself?

01:33:16.000 Tell me.

01:33:18.000 I'm saving it for the book.

01:33:19.000 Fuck it.

01:33:20.000 I'll sell the book, man.

01:33:22.000 You let me know, man.

01:33:22.000 I'll put up links.

01:33:23.000 I'll let people know.

01:33:25.000 I'll buy it myself.

01:33:26.000 If we go in that route, then I already know.

01:33:27.000 Come on.

01:33:27.000 No, no.

01:33:28.000 But the reason why is because I had an uncle, my mother's brother.

01:33:32.000 Anthony Parham, he was her only brother.

01:33:34.000 He went to the military.

01:33:35.000 He went to the Vietnam War as a child, you know, as a young man, 18 years old, when he left high school.

01:33:39.000 He didn't have to because it was all sisters, and he wanted to go because everyone around the town, Petersburg, Virginia, excuse me, Jarrett, Virginia, everybody from his town, the young men were going, his cousins and everybody.

01:33:51.000 So he went.

01:33:52.000 He came back.

01:33:54.000 Disturbed.

01:33:54.000 He came back, you know, different than when he went in.

01:33:57.000 He was actually missing for quite a time.

01:33:59.000 They were going to declare him dead when he showed up one day with a trench coat on, army boots, and naked in Halsey Street in Brooklyn.

01:34:08.000 So this led to him being mentally disturbed.

01:34:13.000 All my life, he would talk to himself.

01:34:14.000 He lived with us.

01:34:15.000 I slept in a twin bed here, and he slept in the bed there.

01:34:19.000 And he was, you know, when alcohol When he drank, he became very violent.

01:34:24.000 You know, he beat my mom up one time, really bad, close her eyes up.

01:34:28.000 And him talking to himself was something I grew up all my life watching.

01:34:32.000 And I'm like, Amy Crazy, you call him Amy.

01:34:34.000 Amy, you crazy, you crazy talking to yourself.

01:34:37.000 And I got older, I would just refuse to even have a conversation with myself, oh, you're crazy.

01:34:43.000 And four years ago, I started having conversations with myself, champ.

01:34:46.000 I was like, yo, you know what, champ?

01:34:48.000 You got to go.

01:34:50.000 And I started saying, let's go, champ.

01:34:51.000 And I was like, man, I asked my wife, I said, you think I'm crazy because I spoke?

01:34:54.000 She was like, yeah, we already know you're crazy.

01:34:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:34:58.000 So I'm like, let's go, champ.

01:34:59.000 And that was my mantra.

01:35:01.000 It became my mantra.

01:35:02.000 My friend told me one of his mantras was, to be the man, you got to be the man.

01:35:08.000 When he was tired, he was running mile 18. To be the man, you got to be the man.

01:35:12.000 To be the man, you got to be the man.

01:35:14.000 He just would say it to himself.

01:35:15.000 Yeah, and I was like, you know what?

01:35:16.000 I need a mantra.

01:35:17.000 And I was hitting the bag one day, and I was tired.

01:35:19.000 I was like, 400 pounds.

01:35:20.000 I was like, let's go, champ.

01:35:22.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

01:35:24.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

01:35:25.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

01:35:26.000 In the head, champ, when I'm feeling pain, you're feeling pain, you're feeling down, tell yourself, let's go, champ.

01:35:32.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

01:35:33.000 Dude, I hear you when I work out sometimes.

01:35:36.000 It's yours.

01:35:37.000 Pushing through a set?

01:35:38.000 It's yours.

01:35:39.000 It's everybody's.

01:35:40.000 It's the people's, man.

01:35:41.000 The people gave me this.

01:35:43.000 The universe gave me this.

01:35:44.000 The people linked into it.

01:35:46.000 And it's not mine.

01:35:47.000 It's ours.

01:35:48.000 We just want to give each other positivity and love.

01:35:50.000 I meet people from everywhere, champ.

01:35:51.000 I'm a little nuts because I go to every city or country and people say, champ, I'm in the lobby or I'm in this town.

01:35:56.000 Can I meet you?

01:35:57.000 And I say, come over to the hotel.

01:35:58.000 And they come.

01:35:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:00.000 They come.

01:36:00.000 You might have to stop that when you win the title.

01:36:02.000 I'm like, Get a little crazy.

01:36:03.000 Nah, I'm the people's champ.

01:36:05.000 I'm here for the people.

01:36:06.000 Wow, man, that's strong.

01:36:07.000 Well, listen, if you can motivate yourself, I mean, you motivate other people, you should definitely be able to motivate yourself as well.

01:36:13.000 I'm not trying, no, let me be honest with you.

01:36:15.000 I'm not trying to, like, say I'm a guru, I'm a motivator.

01:36:18.000 I'm just a dude who is, I'm showing people that I was down and out.

01:36:23.000 I was flat on my face.

01:36:24.000 I wanted to kill myself.

01:36:26.000 And I didn't give up for the love of my family and now the love of the people that's saying, let's go champ, that believe in me.

01:36:32.000 I want to do it for them.

01:36:33.000 You need a reason.

01:36:34.000 You need a purpose.

01:36:35.000 Scott Hirsch.

01:36:35.000 Shout out to Scott Hirsch.

01:36:36.000 He told me a long time ago, he said, you know, Shannon, I think the family thing environment is just out of the blue in the conversation.

01:36:44.000 He just said, you know, Shannon...

01:36:45.000 We weren't even talking about anything.

01:36:46.000 He said, you know, I just think the family plays a huge part of our development.

01:36:50.000 I said, why do you say that, Scott?

01:36:52.000 He said, because it gives you a reason to go home at night.

01:36:54.000 And I was like, damn, you know, we all need a reason.

01:36:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:57.000 Give you a reason.

01:36:57.000 And my family gives me a reason.

01:36:59.000 And you give me a reason.

01:37:01.000 And Snoop Dogg gave me a reason.

01:37:02.000 And Cam'ron gave me a reason.

01:37:04.000 Every popular rapper and unpopular rapper and guys who make beats, they gave me a reason because champ ain't feel good, man.

01:37:10.000 I'm going to keep it real with you.

01:37:11.000 A lot of days I ain't feel good, but when I got up and seen you or Snoop or Cam'ron or Reels or...

01:37:17.000 I'm not a chance or anybody out there that I know that gave me a shout out or that, you know, add this to someone else.

01:37:25.000 I was like, they gave me a reason.

01:37:26.000 And the reason became more and more.

01:37:28.000 So I felt like I was taking in the energy from the people around the world.

01:37:31.000 Every text, every meme, every DM, I feel like I'm getting stronger because now the people behind me.

01:37:37.000 I never had nothing, Joe.

01:37:39.000 I was on my own.

01:37:40.000 I was a kid by myself.

01:37:41.000 And now I got the world behind me.

01:37:43.000 That's all I needed, Trevor.

01:37:44.000 You got a lot of people behind you.

01:37:45.000 I got the world, Trevor.

01:37:46.000 I got 150, thanks to you as well and everybody who promotes me.

01:37:50.000 Those are my promoters, by the way.

01:37:51.000 The people who promote me.

01:37:52.000 Thanks to you guys, I got like 150-something thousand people, 156,000 people following me, right?

01:37:58.000 That to me is unreal.

01:37:59.000 I started out with nine.

01:38:00.000 I remember when you talked about me on your Instagram because we were talking about you and how much I love your videos.

01:38:05.000 Yeah.

01:38:05.000 And I was like, oh shit, Shannon's listening!

01:38:08.000 I love it!

01:38:09.000 It got me excited, man.

01:38:10.000 This is excitement for me because I never had this.

01:38:13.000 I never had no momentum.

01:38:14.000 I never had nobody behind me.

01:38:15.000 I got a reason.

01:38:16.000 I feel like Rocky.

01:38:17.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:38:18.000 Like, team fighting.

01:38:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:38:19.000 Adrian!

01:38:20.000 You know what I feel like?

01:38:21.000 You know, I got a reason.

01:38:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:23.000 I got a reason.

01:38:23.000 I never had a reason except to try to make some money.

01:38:27.000 To feed myself and my family or to show off or get some shit.

01:38:29.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:38:30.000 Some Nevo Rich type of situation.

01:38:32.000 Now, I don't care about the money.

01:38:34.000 Of course I gotta have the money.

01:38:35.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:38:36.000 And I want to be paid accordingly.

01:38:38.000 I'm bringing non-boxing fans to boxing.

01:38:42.000 That deserves something.

01:38:44.000 Now, I told you, when I fought Vitaly Klitschko, they did the highest ratings ever.

01:38:48.000 Not because of Klitschko, because of Shannon Briggs.

01:38:50.000 He fought many people.

01:38:51.000 Why so many with me?

01:38:52.000 When I fought Lennox Lewis, highest ratings.

01:38:55.000 When I fought George Foreman, highest ratings.

01:38:58.000 I sell, champ.

01:38:59.000 Now, I want to be paid for that, champ.

01:39:01.000 This is a job.

01:39:02.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:03.000 I'm a mailman.

01:39:03.000 I get up every day and go to work.

01:39:04.000 Do my job.

01:39:05.000 But I want to be paid.

01:39:06.000 I didn't get paid when I fought Klitschko, champ.

01:39:08.000 I want to make money.

01:39:09.000 I'm not stupid.

01:39:10.000 You feel me?

01:39:10.000 I was, but I'm not anymore.

01:39:12.000 But that's not your primary motivation.

01:39:13.000 No.

01:39:14.000 My primary motivation is the people are behind me and I want to do something that's never been done.

01:39:21.000 I want to bring all these non-boxing fans like Muhammad Ali did.

01:39:25.000 I want a Muhammad Ali moment.

01:39:27.000 Not for me and for my ego, because I don't have it.

01:39:29.000 I cut the heel already.

01:39:30.000 I got a girl already. 1.00

01:39:31.000 I got a wife.

01:39:32.000 I don't care.

01:39:32.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:39:33.000 I don't care about clothes.

01:39:34.000 I don't want to do Bentley.

01:39:35.000 I don't care about that no more.

01:39:37.000 I don't want none of that.

01:39:38.000 I just want the people to say, Champ!

01:39:44.000 That'd make me feel good, champ.

01:39:46.000 That'd make me feel good, man.

01:39:48.000 That'd make me feel like, you know what?

01:39:49.000 My mom looking at me, and she can say I'm proud of my boy.

01:39:53.000 You feel me?

01:39:53.000 He made something out of nothing.

01:39:55.000 You know, we was homeless.

01:39:56.000 People turned their back on us, champ.

01:39:58.000 They wouldn't let us come in their place.

01:40:00.000 Many nights we sat on the train, and many nights I didn't know if she was alive or dead.

01:40:04.000 You know, and I was hoping, and just, and it was rough, man.

01:40:07.000 And I want her to look at me and say, man, my boy made it.

01:40:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:40:11.000 And she said something before she died.

01:40:12.000 She said, Shannon, when we lost everything, people said, you know, she was like the big person in my family that was supposed to do something.

01:40:18.000 This is all in the book.

01:40:20.000 But she was supposed to be something.

01:40:22.000 And she came to New York, and she was living her life, and she was making it, got a job, and she got on drugs.

01:40:30.000 And she went from a beautiful woman to a woman who lost everything, but she had a son.

01:40:35.000 And she took me sickly and all and stuck by my side, so I said, I'm going to make it.

01:40:40.000 And she instilled in me, make it, Shannon, regardless of what you got to do, make it.

01:40:43.000 And when people turned our back on us, and we had nothing, Joe, she said, Shannon, one day we're going to have something, and they're going to look at us different.

01:40:51.000 You feel me?

01:40:51.000 And she said to me before she died, she said, I didn't make it, but I made it through you.

01:40:56.000 And that's what I'm doing this for.

01:40:57.000 Because she did make it.

01:40:59.000 She made it to her son.

01:41:00.000 And she wouldn't want me to give up.

01:41:01.000 Asthma ain't no excuse.

01:41:03.000 No manager ain't no excuse.

01:41:05.000 No promoter ain't no excuse.

01:41:06.000 Make it.

01:41:07.000 And then I came out with social media.

01:41:09.000 They came out with social media.

01:41:10.000 And I'm making it, champ.

01:41:12.000 Well, you're making a lot of people happy too, man.

01:41:13.000 Thank you, champ.

01:41:14.000 A lot of excitement.

01:41:15.000 Thank you, champ.

01:41:15.000 You provide a lot of motivation, a lot of enthusiasm.

01:41:18.000 Let me loose! 0.99

01:41:19.000 I'm in your corner, brother.

01:41:20.000 Let me loose! 0.99

01:41:21.000 Thank you, champ.

01:41:22.000 Thank you for being here, man.

01:41:23.000 I can't thank you enough.

01:41:24.000 I really appreciate it.

01:41:25.000 I had a great fucking time.

01:41:27.000 I'm sorry to cut you off.

01:41:28.000 Go ahead, brother.

01:41:28.000 No, nothing.

01:41:29.000 I'm just saying I had a great fucking time talking to you.

01:41:31.000 Yeah, this has been therapeutic for me, more importantly, because I needed to...

01:41:37.000 Because no one's been able to give me an outlet.

01:41:39.000 Especially no one this big has given me an opportunity to talk to so many people.

01:41:43.000 And I wish I could have done this totally different now.

01:41:46.000 Perfect!

01:41:47.000 This is perfect!

01:41:49.000 I started out a little tripping up, but it's all good, champ.

01:41:52.000 This is a moment for me in life because forget the past.

01:41:55.000 I don't even remember shit.

01:41:56.000 I got some type of damage.

01:41:58.000 I don't even care.

01:41:58.000 I remember this shit.

01:41:59.000 This moment right now is the moment, man.

01:42:02.000 I'm in the moment, man.

01:42:03.000 I'm in the moment.

01:42:03.000 And I appreciate it because it means a lot to me, man, because I was flat.

01:42:07.000 Nobody wanted to give me nothing.

01:42:09.000 Nobody gave me a shot.

01:42:10.000 I couldn't get a t-shirt.

01:42:11.000 I called Everlast and said, man, let me get a t-shirt.

01:42:12.000 They said, don't call back, man.

01:42:14.000 Don't go here with that shit, Shannon.

01:42:16.000 I could get nothing from nobody, man.

01:42:18.000 I don't want nothing from nobody.

01:42:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:42:20.000 All I want to do is be successful, you know, have something for my family when I'm gone.

01:42:26.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:42:26.000 So they don't have to suffer the way I did.

01:42:28.000 And I want to make people laugh and make people have fun and leave my fights and say, man, he did it.

01:42:34.000 Then I'm going to do it again.

01:42:35.000 That's another thing.

01:42:36.000 Before I go, I want to say this.

01:42:37.000 I want to fight a lot.

01:42:39.000 I want the heavyweight champion to fight three, four, five times a year.

01:42:43.000 I don't believe in this fight two years.

01:42:45.000 He should fight every six weeks, the heavyweight champion.

01:42:50.000 Yes!

01:42:51.000 That's what should be happening.

01:42:52.000 And that's what I want to be.

01:42:53.000 I want to be an active campaigner.

01:42:55.000 And I'll give that to Wilder.

01:42:56.000 They did keep him busy before he hurt his arm.

01:42:59.000 They kept him busy.

01:42:59.000 But that's how you're supposed to fight the game.

01:43:01.000 Be busy.

01:43:02.000 Be busy.

01:43:03.000 Have fun.

01:43:03.000 Bring more people to the sport.

01:43:05.000 And then walk away.

01:43:06.000 Follow this man on Instagram.

01:43:08.000 It will make your life happier.

01:43:09.000 Let's go, Chad.

01:43:10.000 Give people the address.

01:43:11.000 Give people the Instagram address.

01:43:12.000 My Instagram is canon underscore Briggs.

01:43:15.000 Let's go.

01:43:15.000 You know, that's my Instagram.

01:43:16.000 And my Facebook is what?

01:43:18.000 Shannon Briggs?

01:43:18.000 Shannon Briggs.

01:43:19.000 Shannon Briggs.

01:43:20.000 And then Twitter is The Cannon.

01:43:21.000 The Cannon Briggs on Twitter, man.

01:43:22.000 And my website is LetsGoChamp.com.

01:43:25.000 LetsGoChamp.com.

01:43:25.000 Yeah, buy a t-shirt, man.

01:43:26.000 I'm on my own, champ.

01:43:27.000 I appreciate y'all.

01:43:28.000 I'm not, you know, using the money for nothing.

01:43:30.000 That's for you, champ.

01:43:32.000 That's for you.

01:43:32.000 I'm wearing this.

01:43:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:34.000 Shout out to my baby girl, Chloe, Moo Moo Fat, Chan and Kaden and my wife Alana.

01:43:38.000 I love you, babe.

01:43:39.000 Shout out to everybody.

01:43:41.000 If you don't mind me giving a shout out.

01:43:42.000 Please, shout out.

01:43:44.000 Shout it out.

01:43:44.000 You know black people without shout outs.

01:43:46.000 Shout it out.

01:43:47.000 Chris Lawrence, Chris Jr., Stacy, Amir, Iman, everybody from Brooklyn, Brownsville.

01:43:52.000 I love y'all.

01:43:52.000 Around the world, LA, Compton, Watts.

01:43:56.000 Everybody, my man.

01:43:58.000 Ooh, Paolo out there.

01:43:59.000 Jamal, Jamizzi.

01:44:01.000 Everybody in the crew.

01:44:01.000 There's so many to thank, but I really want to thank you because, bro, I made it.

01:44:07.000 I made it again.

01:44:08.000 I made it before, but I made it again.

01:44:10.000 This is a sign that I'm back.

01:44:12.000 You're back.

01:44:13.000 I'm back.

01:44:14.000 Let's go, champ! 1.00

01:44:15.000 Let's go, champ! 1.00

01:44:16.000 Thank you, everybody.

01:44:18.000 That was beautiful.

01:44:19.000 Thank you, champ.

01:44:20.000 You're the best ever.

01:44:20.000 That was fun, man.

01:44:21.000 Please, shake your hand.

01:44:22.000 Please.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 21, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #875 - Shannon Briggs

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