The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #887 - James Hetfield

00:00:00.000 I don't know much about moose.

00:00:02.000 They're awesome. 0.97

00:00:04.000 So fucking big. 0.99

00:00:05.000 Such a giant animal. 1.00

00:00:06.000 Two, one, live, boom!

00:00:07.000 Live with James Hetfield.

00:00:09.000 How are you, sir?

00:00:10.000 Doing awesome.

00:00:11.000 Any friend of Jim Brewer's is a friend of mine.

00:00:13.000 Awesome to hear.

00:00:14.000 So you're in. 0.99

00:00:16.000 Hey man, I listened to your new shit in the gym today and You know what's amazing about it? 1.00

00:00:21.000 You guys still fucking rock hard. 0.99

00:00:25.000 I love Aerosmith. 0.98

00:00:27.000 I was a huge Aerosmith fan when I was a kid, but somewhere along the line, they became a ballad band.

00:00:31.000 Somewhere along the line, they started doing music for movies that appealed to adolescent teenage girls.

00:00:40.000 Something happened.

00:00:41.000 Yeah.

00:00:42.000 I got you.

00:00:43.000 And then other people start writing your songs.

00:00:46.000 That's, I think, the ultimate kind of not giving up, but you've lost your way.

00:00:54.000 Yeah.

00:00:55.000 I wanted to talk to you about...

00:00:58.000 There's a transition that very successful people make, and either they make it or they don't. 0.97

00:01:03.000 And the transition is to go from being hungry and filled with all this angst to being stupid, wealthy, and famous, but still keeping your art relevant. 0.98

00:01:14.000 How do you do that? 0.99

00:01:17.000 We're super competitive people.

00:01:19.000 We're really perfectionists and we hate to let each other down.

00:01:24.000 There's always a better riff coming.

00:01:27.000 There's always a better album.

00:01:30.000 Maybe there's the never satisfied part to us that will keep us going till we die.

00:01:35.000 You know, there's always the ultimate lyric that's going to connect to everyone in the world or something.

00:01:41.000 There is always a better something that we haven't got yet.

00:01:45.000 So it's that mindset.

00:01:48.000 I guess in the beginning you just want to do it, right?

00:01:52.000 You want to be a successful band.

00:01:54.000 You want to make it.

00:01:55.000 You're young.

00:01:56.000 You're filled with angst.

00:01:57.000 But your music has the same sort of intensity to it.

00:02:00.000 Like today in the gym, I got in there.

00:02:01.000 I hadn't listened to your new album at all. 0.97

00:02:03.000 I fucking cranked it up to nine and I just said, let's go! 0.95

00:02:06.000 And I turned it on and Right from the jump, I was like, whoa! 0.99

00:02:09.000 Like, there's something about a good fucking hard rock album that just gets you pumped up. 0.88

00:02:15.000 And you guys, 100% A-plus succeeded with this one. 0.97

00:02:19.000 Awesome to hear.

00:02:20.000 Well, that's why we do it, too.

00:02:21.000 We write music, we record music that we want to hear.

00:02:27.000 Because we're not hearing it out there sometimes.

00:02:29.000 And that's how it's been since day one.

00:02:32.000 And, you know, as you...

00:02:34.000 We're pretty honest in our music, too.

00:02:37.000 So I love the fact that from album one to here, we're doing it our way and we're writing songs for ourselves.

00:02:45.000 And there's an honesty that has to be in it. 0.98

00:02:48.000 Or people can see that shit if you're not honest. 0.99

00:02:53.000 Yeah, they definitely can, right? 1.00

00:02:54.000 They're like little animals.

00:02:56.000 They smell it.

00:02:57.000 Right?

00:02:57.000 Don't they?

00:02:58.000 And they smell.

00:02:59.000 Yeah, they smell it.

00:03:01.000 The whole deal.

00:03:03.000 It's refreshing to see a band that's been at it for a long time, that's super successful, that still goes after it.

00:03:10.000 Yeah, the thing that bugs me a lot is when people say, you know, okay, now that you're sober or now that you're matured, now all this, and you've worked out all your demons and things like that, that your music's going to be all soft and flowery and...

00:03:28.000 I tell you, if I could exercise all those demons, I would have.

00:03:34.000 But it's something you embrace.

00:03:37.000 It's a part of me.

00:03:39.000 And I get to celebrate it in my music.

00:03:42.000 I get to communicate it.

00:03:44.000 I get to use it as a therapy to help my own insanity.

00:03:47.000 And other people do too.

00:03:49.000 So when you get those like-minded people together in a place and play live, music does something to people.

00:03:56.000 Like you in the gym.

00:03:58.000 I get to watch people at our shows transform from, God, I just took my tie off, or I still have my friggin' briefcase, you know, like, handcuffed to me.

00:04:11.000 I want out of this, and I get to let loose, and I get to see these people transform and watch music do stuff to them.

00:04:20.000 Yeah, transform's the right word, right?

00:04:22.000 Because it's almost like music...

00:04:26.000 I think there's an element to music that doesn't get discussed.

00:04:30.000 That it does have some sort of an effect on the body. 0.98

00:04:33.000 Like when you hear a good song and you're in your car and you're like, fuck yeah! 0.99

00:04:37.000 It's like a drug! 0.99

00:04:38.000 I mean, it is.

00:04:38.000 It's like taking a shot of this caveman nitro or something.

00:04:42.000 More powerful than that, really.

00:04:44.000 Because it's instantaneous.

00:04:46.000 I got plenty of speeding tickets.

00:04:49.000 Plenty!

00:04:49.000 Well, that's the best place for Lars and I to listen to the music when we're putting it together.

00:04:55.000 Does it make the car test?

00:04:58.000 Because you're yourself in your car if no one else is in there.

00:05:02.000 You get to celebrate and listen and just go friggin' nuts in your car.

00:05:06.000 And that's past the car test.

00:05:09.000 That's got to be where most people listen to most of their music these days, with all the commuting people do.

00:05:13.000 Especially here in L.A., man.

00:05:15.000 Especially here. 0.99

00:05:16.000 It's a ridiculous place, isn't it? 0.99

00:05:17.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

00:05:17.000 Where you living these days? 0.98

00:05:18.000 Hopefully we save people from road rage.

00:05:20.000 They get to just headbang instead of shoot people.

00:05:23.000 You're not saving them.

00:05:23.000 You're ramping it up.

00:05:25.000 Well, there's not too much shooting people in cars anymore.

00:05:27.000 It was going on for a while in the 90s.

00:05:30.000 That's trendy.

00:05:31.000 Where do you live these days?

00:05:32.000 I live in Vail, Colorado. 1.00

00:05:34.000 Oh, no shit, man. 1.00

00:05:35.000 Wow, that's kind of cool. 1.00

00:05:37.000 It's very cool.

00:05:38.000 It's quiet, no friggin' traffic, and especially now, super quiet.

00:05:44.000 Snow...

00:05:45.000 Snow does something to calm you down a little bit.

00:05:48.000 I agree with that.

00:05:49.000 I remember when I was a kid in Boston, there was those days when it would just snow hard.

00:05:52.000 You'd go outside and you experience quiet like you'd never heard it before.

00:05:56.000 Right.

00:05:56.000 It's like everything gets filtered by that snow.

00:05:58.000 Mm-hmm.

00:06:00.000 Well, I like, you know, there's a lone wolf part of me that maybe you can relate to.

00:06:07.000 But I like being by myself.

00:06:09.000 But I also like, I need people to connect with as well.

00:06:15.000 But when I get out, you know, living in Vail, moving from California to Colorado was a great thing for me.

00:06:22.000 I feel really...

00:06:25.000 I feel a part of nature there.

00:06:28.000 And you don't want to be inside there.

00:06:30.000 There's something about it.

00:06:31.000 You just want to be outside all the time.

00:06:33.000 Well, it's so beautiful.

00:06:34.000 I'm going to Colorado this weekend.

00:06:36.000 Cool. 0.96

00:06:36.000 Yeah, it's fucking stunning up there. 0.96

00:06:38.000 There's just something about Colorado. 0.98

00:06:40.000 Those mountains are just the best natural artwork you could ever look at.

00:06:44.000 Yeah, no doubt.

00:06:45.000 We get to look at the Gore Range right out of our mountain, and I've drank plenty of Coors Lights in my life, and that's the one on the can.

00:06:53.000 Like, wow!

00:06:54.000 I'm looking at it.

00:06:55.000 And lots of 14ers there, lots of great snowmobiling, rafting, paddleboarding, you name it.

00:07:04.000 What's a 14er?

00:07:05.000 14,000 feet.

00:07:08.000 Peaks.

00:07:08.000 Oh, oh, oh.

00:07:09.000 Yeah, lots of 14,000 feet peaks.

00:07:11.000 Oh, people who were into climbing those crazy peaks?

00:07:13.000 Yeah, or hunting, you know.

00:07:15.000 What made you move out there?

00:07:16.000 Did you go there and visit first, or just decided you needed to separate from the hive?

00:07:23.000 Yeah, there's probably a multitude of things that made it happen.

00:07:29.000 My wife grew up there.

00:07:31.000 She was born in Argentina.

00:07:32.000 They moved to Vail.

00:07:33.000 She went to elementary school there.

00:07:35.000 You know, we were going to Tahoe a lot to do skiing and stuff like that, and she said, we gotta go to Vail.

00:07:41.000 This is not snow.

00:07:43.000 We'll go to Vail and feel snow.

00:07:45.000 And we went there a few times, and I loved it.

00:07:49.000 I'm not a huge skier, but I can ski, and I have fun doing it.

00:07:53.000 My kids love it.

00:07:56.000 And so that, my wife turns into a kid when we go there, which I kinda like.

00:08:01.000 It's a little more like me, you know?

00:08:04.000 She can be a little, you know, a little two on point and a little, you know, she loosens up and she becomes young again there. 0.67

00:08:17.000 So there's that.

00:08:19.000 I kind of got sick of the Bay Area, the attitudes of people there a little bit.

00:08:24.000 They talk about how diverse they are and things like that.

00:08:29.000 It's fine if you're diverse like them.

00:08:35.000 Showing up with a deer on the bumper doesn't fly in Marin County.

00:08:41.000 My form of eating organic doesn't vibe with theirs.

00:08:46.000 Do you have issues with that?

00:08:48.000 With the people you lived with up in Marin County?

00:08:51.000 With hunting?

00:08:52.000 Or is it just something you felt?

00:08:54.000 Yeah, you know, it's something I felt.

00:08:57.000 I probably made it up in my head a little bit.

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:00.000 Because I'm pretty good at that.

00:09:02.000 I'm pretty creative.

00:09:03.000 And I can start fights with myself in my head all the time.

00:09:07.000 A lot of people can.

00:09:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:09:10.000 But there was.

00:09:11.000 There was just a...

00:09:12.000 I don't know.

00:09:13.000 I felt that there was an elitist attitude there.

00:09:17.000 That if you weren't...

00:09:18.000 Their way politically, their way environmentally, all of that, that you were looked down upon.

00:09:27.000 I think in Colorado, everyone is very natural.

00:09:32.000 People are not playing some game.

00:09:35.000 They're not posturing.

00:09:38.000 They're very into, oh, you like doing that?

00:09:40.000 Cool.

00:09:41.000 How's that go?

00:09:42.000 How you doing with that?

00:09:44.000 And they're less...

00:09:46.000 They're less obsessed with stopping what you're doing and more enjoying what they're doing, you know?

00:09:56.000 That's interesting.

00:09:57.000 That's an interesting way to look at it.

00:09:58.000 I love the Bay Area, but I've always felt like, I think you nailed it.

00:10:02.000 The Bay Area, they love diversity as long as you're diverse the way they're diverse.

00:10:07.000 It's so tech-oriented.

00:10:09.000 It's so absorbed with one aspect of society, technology and cell phones and the internet and electric cars.

00:10:17.000 And it's so locked into that one sort of mode of being that I think a guy like you goes out there and shoots an elk or something like that.

00:10:26.000 It's probably a little creepy to them.

00:10:28.000 Well, I just think I feel more at home in the Midwest or the mountains or something.

00:10:34.000 I mean, I love the ocean.

00:10:35.000 And I love the Bay Area.

00:10:37.000 I love what it's got to offer.

00:10:39.000 But there's just an attitude that it wasn't healthy for me.

00:10:46.000 Starting to feel like I was just fighting all the time.

00:10:50.000 And I just had to get out of my own head.

00:10:52.000 So Colorado does it for me.

00:10:54.000 You were doing that show, The Hunt, that show, what is it, on History Channel or something like that, where it was all about grizzly bear hunting.

00:11:02.000 You were doing the narration for that.

00:11:04.000 Yeah.

00:11:04.000 And I saw this crazy blowback because of that, where people wanted to boycott a music festival that you guys were on, and there was photos of...

00:11:15.000 Another guy, who wasn't you, they were getting circled around, they were saying it was you that killed a grizzly bear, and they were saying, we have to ban this, this is hard.

00:11:24.000 It was very strange.

00:11:26.000 What was your reaction to all that?

00:11:28.000 I kind of just took it as, okay, that's how it's been for me in the Bay Area.

00:11:36.000 People don't understand it.

00:11:39.000 I mean, it's just like with anything.

00:11:40.000 I don't think they understand that someone can be as passionate about something else As passionate as they are about what they are passionate about.

00:11:53.000 So if you're as passionate about something, there's someone who's the opposite.

00:12:00.000 And that's okay.

00:12:01.000 You can get along.

00:12:03.000 You can talk about it.

00:12:04.000 No one's right.

00:12:05.000 No one's wrong.

00:12:06.000 This is my life.

00:12:07.000 I like living it this way.

00:12:09.000 You like living your life that way.

00:12:11.000 I totally get it.

00:12:12.000 But we can coexist in this.

00:12:14.000 And let's really be diverse.

00:12:20.000 Going out, whether it's planting my own vegetables, having my own beehives, getting our own honey, harvesting my own meat on the ranch.

00:12:31.000 That's what I love doing.

00:12:32.000 I love sustaining my family with as organic as possible.

00:12:37.000 And, you know, I respect people that don't want vegetables.

00:12:44.000 The blood.

00:12:45.000 They don't want all that seen.

00:12:47.000 They would rather see their meat or whatever it is show up in a nice cellophane package and it's handed to them.

00:12:55.000 They don't want to know how it got there.

00:12:57.000 I respect that.

00:12:58.000 My kids are like that.

00:13:00.000 They don't want to see it going on.

00:13:01.000 But I want to be as close to the earth.

00:13:03.000 I want to be as part of it as possible.

00:13:06.000 I want to be part of every bit of it and respect it.

00:13:10.000 Yeah, I get that sentiment, and I always found it strange how many people get upset at what you do, but meanwhile they're eating meat.

00:13:17.000 I mean, San Francisco is filled with restaurants that are serving meat everywhere you go.

00:13:21.000 Every single store you pass by has meat in it, and to focus on you for going out and hunting is always a little weird.

00:13:30.000 Well, I guess I'm more old school.

00:13:32.000 I don't know whatever it is.

00:13:33.000 You know, I think the Bay Area prides itself and I'm glad there is a place that prides itself on being progressive, very moving forward.

00:13:41.000 Hey, we're creating the future here.

00:13:43.000 And I love the convenience and stuff of that.

00:13:46.000 But then there's a part of me that just maybe is like frontier style.

00:13:51.000 I just love that.

00:13:52.000 I would rather be simple. 0.98

00:13:55.000 Well, I think it's also probably you're performing in front of fucking hundreds of thousands of people all the time. 0.98

00:14:00.000 And you're just like, Jesus Christ, you need a balance. 0.97

00:14:02.000 I mean, you need some sort of an opposite end of the scale just to weigh things out.

00:14:06.000 Very true.

00:14:07.000 Very true.

00:14:08.000 You know, what about me?

00:14:10.000 I want me time, you know?

00:14:12.000 Chill time.

00:14:13.000 Pulling me all these different ways and stuff.

00:14:16.000 Certainly not complaining.

00:14:17.000 That's what I choose to do.

00:14:18.000 But I also choose this, too.

00:14:20.000 Well, that's where a veil completely makes sense.

00:14:23.000 So how long have you been raising bees?

00:14:26.000 Probably only maybe four years.

00:14:29.000 How'd you get started in that?

00:14:31.000 How do you start raising bees?

00:14:33.000 Start with one.

00:14:34.000 Well, actually start with two.

00:14:35.000 Really?

00:14:36.000 No.

00:14:38.000 They're not like rabbits.

00:14:40.000 But they do produce quite quickly.

00:14:42.000 You know, my dad raised bees.

00:14:46.000 We always saw boxes out in the corner of the house.

00:14:49.000 We grew up in LA here, and the weather's so great, so there's lots of bee activity.

00:14:54.000 That's the bummer about being in Vail now.

00:14:57.000 Not a lot of bee action going on.

00:15:00.000 It's too high, it's too cold.

00:15:02.000 Certain vegetables grow there, but not a lot.

00:15:06.000 In California, the ranch, I love it.

00:15:09.000 I had a friend who Who, in his backyard, he probably had six hives, and he had this one really intense kind of rogue hive where maybe the queen had some kind of strain of Africanized or something, and his wife could not go out in the backyard without being attacked.

00:15:30.000 So he says, hey, can I go put my bees on your property so they can cycle this queen out? 0.97

00:15:37.000 They got some breeding, and it was just off.

00:15:40.000 Jesus Christ.

00:15:41.000 So he brought it out to the ranch, he pinched the bee, and then pinched the queen.

00:15:47.000 Pinched it?

00:15:47.000 What do you mean?

00:15:48.000 Killed it.

00:15:48.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:15:50.000 That's a nice euphemism.

00:15:52.000 He didn't have to shoot it or nothing, you know?

00:15:55.000 Hold still! 0.98

00:15:56.000 So he just grabbed the queen and killed her. 0.94

00:15:58.000 Well, I just pinched it because she was reproducing. 1.00

00:16:01.000 I mean, they lay like a million eggs in their lives.

00:16:03.000 It's insane.

00:16:06.000 Basically, I could sit here and talk a whole hour about bees because they're so interesting.

00:16:11.000 Let's do it.

00:16:12.000 All right.

00:16:12.000 Well, the listener.

00:16:14.000 I'm not scared.

00:16:15.000 No, they'll listen.

00:16:17.000 Trust me.

00:16:17.000 It's interesting stuff.

00:16:18.000 So, yeah, put a new queen in there, and they cycled through all of the other bees. 1.00

00:16:24.000 I mean, they only live a month.

00:16:25.000 So a normal reaction when people go in the yard would be just disinterest.

00:16:32.000 They wouldn't care about you as long as you're not interrupting the hive.

00:16:34.000 Exactly.

00:16:35.000 But your wife would go out there, and they would just get crazy? 1.00

00:16:38.000 Yeah.

00:16:39.000 But not with you?

00:16:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:41.000 They did it with you, too.

00:16:42.000 No, no, no, this wasn't me.

00:16:43.000 This was my friend's wife.

00:16:44.000 Oh, that's right.

00:16:45.000 I'm sorry.

00:16:45.000 But...

00:16:46.000 Yeah, but he's kind of used to it, and she was not.

00:16:50.000 She was out to go swimming or something. 1.00

00:16:51.000 So he would go out there, and they would get crazy with him, but he's like, this doesn't bother me, but she was like, fuck this queen, fuck this hive. 1.00

00:16:58.000 Yeah, yeah, pretty much. 0.99

00:17:00.000 And there's certain things.

00:17:01.000 If you're wearing black, they all attack you.

00:17:04.000 Really? 0.69

00:17:04.000 They think you're a bear. 0.69

00:17:06.000 What?

00:17:07.000 Yeah.

00:17:08.000 If you've just eaten bananas, there's some...

00:17:13.000 I don't know, a smell or something in it that is similar to their attack pheromone that they set off.

00:17:19.000 So there's a few things I've learned over the years.

00:17:22.000 Don't eat bananas and don't wear black.

00:17:24.000 Exactly.

00:17:25.000 That's all you got to do.

00:17:25.000 But I learned this stuff being in the bee club.

00:17:29.000 You're in a bee club? 0.95

00:17:30.000 I was in the bee club.

00:17:31.000 Yeah, in the Bay Area.

00:17:34.000 Yeah, we'd meet down at the American Legion's Hall and have a monthly meeting.

00:17:39.000 Wow. 0.88

00:17:40.000 What are those dorks like?

00:17:42.000 People are super into bees. 0.98

00:17:44.000 Oh, my God.

00:17:45.000 We would just sit there and kind of laugh about them.

00:17:48.000 But we're sitting there.

00:17:49.000 I mean, we're here to learn some stuff.

00:17:51.000 But there were people up there that, okay, we inseminated the queen with this.

00:17:55.000 And, you know, there were counting bees.

00:17:57.000 You know, we put little numbers on every bee and we caught their flight pattern.

00:18:02.000 And how many were reproducing this?

00:18:04.000 And, I mean, it's all...

00:18:06.000 You know, it's all like they're doing research on how to make the bees stronger because the bees are, you know, going away.

00:18:13.000 Right.

00:18:14.000 But, you know, it's this mite, this little varroa mite that's killing a lot of them, too, along with the pesticides and herbicides.

00:18:22.000 But, you know...

00:18:23.000 People that are so into it and we're just kind of sitting there going, oh man, what have we gotten ourselves into?

00:18:30.000 But it's kind of, you know, it's funny in a certain way, but I'm glad that it's happening.

00:18:36.000 But, you know, I get, you know, at the end of the season, you got like 500 pounds of honey.

00:18:43.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:18:43.000 And you're handing them out to your friends and everyone's loving it. 0.71

00:18:46.000 500 pounds of honey?

00:18:48.000 That's insane.

00:18:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:49.000 And we're bottling it up.

00:18:51.000 My kids are filtering it.

00:18:52.000 We're, you know, bottling it up.

00:18:54.000 And, dude, it's just straight from the hive into a bottle, I mean, after you've filtered it.

00:19:00.000 And it really helps with allergies.

00:19:03.000 It helps with, you know, the whatever, getting the pollens and the nectars from the area. 0.99

00:19:09.000 So when you take that in, it helps build your immune system.

00:19:13.000 Yeah, I've heard that.

00:19:14.000 So you've experienced that personally?

00:19:15.000 Absolutely.

00:19:16.000 And I think being stung by bees helps you too.

00:19:19.000 It helps with something getting your immune system built up to the...

00:19:23.000 It's supposed to be really good for arthritis.

00:19:25.000 They take people, like literally take bees, people that have serious arthritis in their hands, and they sting their hands with it on purpose.

00:19:32.000 Right.

00:19:33.000 I think there's some people that do it for their lips here in L.A., I think you need people that are so deep, deep, deep in the bee world, because you're not going to do it and I'm not going to do it, but if someone's just so far gone, they're measuring all their bees and monitoring their flight patterns and checking their DNA,

00:19:51.000 I'm just fascinated that there was a clear differentiation between a normal bee And the way these bees were behaving.

00:19:58.000 You could tell that the queen was kind of a freak. 1.00

00:20:01.000 But I tell you, those freak bees, the Africanized or whatever, now there's a zombie bee and we can get into that too. 1.00

00:20:08.000 But they are aggressive and an aggressive, you know, like any society, they do well.

00:20:18.000 They produce a lot of honey, and they're very, very prolific in what they do.

00:20:26.000 Yeah, I've had killer bee honey.

00:20:28.000 They make killer bee. 1.00

00:20:29.000 We sell it on it.

00:20:30.000 I don't know if it's any better.

00:20:32.000 Killer bee honey is better than regular honey, but it's just pretty dope to have killer bee honey around your house.

00:20:38.000 Well, yeah, you know, that and the, gosh, what's this stuff called?

00:20:45.000 I mean, there's lots of really cool healing properties in, like, even the kind of glue that they use to plug up holes and, you know, the royal jelly, which is, you know, comes from their, like, the brain, and that's how they produce a queen.

00:21:03.000 That's what royal jelly is?

00:21:05.000 Yeah.

00:21:06.000 It's from their brain?

00:21:07.000 It's brain juice, man. 1.00

00:21:08.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:21:09.000 How does it come out? 1.00

00:21:10.000 Does it come out of a hole somewhere? 1.00

00:21:13.000 Or do they have to scoop it out of their fucking heads? 1.00

00:21:15.000 I haven't seen it that close, but, you know. 1.00

00:21:19.000 They inject it into the queen cell, or there's a cell that they make when a new queen is being made. 0.99

00:21:27.000 So all the bees that are flying around that you see out here, they're all females. 0.80

00:21:32.000 It's all female society. 1.00

00:21:34.000 So the drones that are in there, which are the males, they're there just to reproduce, and then they get kicked out in the wintertime.

00:21:40.000 And they die.

00:21:40.000 And they all die.

00:21:41.000 Whoa.

00:21:43.000 Yeah, man.

00:21:44.000 It's hard out there.

00:21:45.000 It's brutal.

00:21:45.000 Brutal for us men in the B world.

00:21:47.000 So if they all die, how do they continue to reproduce?

00:21:49.000 Well, there's some, I guess, that...

00:21:51.000 Couple stay around?

00:21:52.000 No, they...

00:21:52.000 The queen makes more.

00:21:55.000 Wow.

00:21:55.000 So those guys are just dead.

00:21:57.000 The queen makes more and the new ones take over. 0.99

00:21:59.000 The new boys.

00:22:00.000 Yeah.

00:22:01.000 And they're just doing work.

00:22:03.000 They're just fertilizing. 0.93

00:22:06.000 That's what they're doing. 1.00

00:22:07.000 They're just there to fuck and then everybody else is doing all the real work. 1.00

00:22:09.000 You fuck and go die. 1.00

00:22:10.000 Wow. 1.00

00:22:10.000 That's what you get to do. 1.00

00:22:11.000 What a brutal world. 1.00

00:22:14.000 What a fucking crazy world. 1.00

00:22:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:22:17.000 And then the queen goes around the hive and finds the females, other potential queens, and stabs them while they're in the hive. 1.00

00:22:25.000 Pretty much.

00:22:26.000 Yeah.

00:22:27.000 Well, they're all females. 1.00

00:22:28.000 They're all females except for those drones. 1.00

00:22:30.000 And then, you know, if they're making, you know, she knows she's going to die or they're kind of pissed off with her.

00:22:37.000 She's not reproducing as much as she should.

00:22:40.000 She will take off with like half the hive. 1.00

00:22:42.000 And that's where you see a swarm.

00:22:44.000 So she'll go and form a new hive. 1.00

00:22:46.000 And then these ones have a little queen cell that they've laid eggs and start to make a new queen. 1.00

00:22:52.000 So that's how they reproduce. 0.80

00:22:53.000 And if there's three or four queen cells in there, the first queen that's born, she comes out and she kills all the other queens so she can rule. 1.00

00:23:03.000 Game of Thrones type shit. 0.99

00:23:06.000 That's fascinating. 1.00

00:23:08.000 You're going to get bees, I can tell.

00:23:10.000 Right now, I'm looking in my head.

00:23:12.000 I'm just looking at websites in my head.

00:23:14.000 I'm trying to find out where to get the bees.

00:23:15.000 Yeah, that sounds like an amazing way to get honey.

00:23:18.000 I mean, it just sounds like a really cool thing to do, too.

00:23:21.000 It tastes so good, and we've got, you know, we have a place in Hawaii, so we've got Hawaiian-flavored, Hawaiian-flavored, well, there's stuff, you know, that they get the nectar and pollen from over there, and, you know, Hawaii is nonstop, you know,

00:23:36.000 so you're getting honey year-round.

00:23:38.000 What island?

00:23:39.000 In Maui.

00:23:39.000 Oh, man.

00:23:40.000 I love Maui.

00:23:41.000 That's a beautiful spot.

00:23:43.000 So, how do you know that a bee is Africanized?

00:23:48.000 Because that was the big thing that everybody was worried about.

00:23:50.000 Remember, it was like the early 90s.

00:23:52.000 Everybody was like, they found an African killer bee in New Mexico or something.

00:23:57.000 It was like, it's coming up.

00:23:58.000 It's going to swarm.

00:23:59.000 They're going to take over the country inside of a few years.

00:24:02.000 There was a big hysteria about that, right?

00:24:04.000 Yeah, and there are states where they are more prevalent than others, and they're just more aggressive.

00:24:10.000 They're more aggressive, and they're very protective, so you'll get stung if you're messing with them.

00:24:17.000 That's all it is.

00:24:18.000 I think so.

00:24:20.000 But there was a big concern that they were going to take over and that it was going to be that these bees were just going to come here and outbreed the regular bees.

00:24:28.000 You're laughing.

00:24:28.000 It's possible.

00:24:29.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:24:30.000 There's some great movies about that, too.

00:24:32.000 The killer bees.

00:24:34.000 But there's no way to tell by looking at them?

00:24:36.000 I don't know.

00:24:37.000 I don't think so.

00:24:38.000 I'm somewhat into it, but I haven't investigated that part yet.

00:24:42.000 So these bees that came over from the perhaps Africanized bees that when they killed the queen and then introduced those bees to the rest of the bees, did everybody chill out?

00:24:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:54.000 So it's just that one crazy bitch. 1.00

00:24:56.000 Well, yeah. 1.00

00:24:58.000 She's laying the eggs. 1.00

00:24:59.000 She's passing on the whatever DNA. But the forager bees, the ones that you see out and about, they only live a month.

00:25:11.000 So they will die out.

00:25:12.000 And how long does she live?

00:25:13.000 She can live between one to five years.

00:25:17.000 Wow.

00:25:19.000 What a bizarre culture.

00:25:22.000 Strange society.

00:25:23.000 It's really, really cool.

00:25:24.000 And without them, I mean, there's lots of, you know, orange, almonds, all kinds of stuff, especially here in California, in the center of California, all that farming.

00:25:38.000 If there's no bees, there's no fruit.

00:25:41.000 Yeah, what a bizarre sort of symbiotic relationship that we have with one weird insect.

00:25:46.000 Pollination.

00:25:47.000 I mean, you would have thought that that would have been taken care of some other way.

00:25:50.000 Right.

00:25:51.000 And it wouldn't be that a bee has to do it.

00:25:52.000 Well, there are others that do it.

00:25:54.000 What other animals do it?

00:25:55.000 Like butterflies.

00:25:56.000 Really?

00:25:57.000 I'll tell you, not just honeybees, but there's probably over 3,000 different kinds of bees.

00:26:05.000 They don't have a...

00:26:07.000 They don't have a hive society like the honey bees do, but all these other bees are like loners.

00:26:14.000 They live in the ground or something, and they just get enough pollen for themselves.

00:26:20.000 So they're kind of lone wolves out there, but the honey bees are the ones that have more of a society.

00:26:27.000 I raise chickens, and the chicken thing with us happened. 0.98

00:26:32.000 We just got a couple chickens, and next thing you know, we got this giant fucking chicken house with 23 chickens, and they're running around my yard. 0.98

00:26:38.000 Is that the same way with you? 0.99

00:26:39.000 Did you just kind of like slowly step into this and then get deeper and deeper?

00:26:43.000 Yeah.

00:26:44.000 I mean, just like getting your first tattoos.

00:26:46.000 Like, wow, that's cool.

00:26:47.000 I want more.

00:26:48.000 Right.

00:26:49.000 And yeah, you just start to appreciate it.

00:26:52.000 I think when I come off tour, It's like my head is just like ricocheting around.

00:26:57.000 I go and I sit and watch the bees.

00:27:00.000 Just watch them go in and out.

00:27:02.000 In and out. 0.91

00:27:03.000 There's like this friggin' landing strip that they come in.

00:27:05.000 And they look so busy, it relaxes me, you know? 0.50

00:27:10.000 It's like, wow, okay, I'm not that busy.

00:27:14.000 Just chill.

00:27:15.000 Yeah.

00:27:16.000 Just chill.

00:27:17.000 Now, is there a way...

00:27:18.000 Do you have like a glass wall in any way where you can see into the hive?

00:27:22.000 You ever seen those hives where they make them? 0.75

00:27:24.000 Do you have it like that where you can look in there?

00:27:26.000 Yeah, I've got one of the...

00:27:27.000 Yeah, well, that's like a display one we bring into schools and stuff.

00:27:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:31.000 You can see.

00:27:32.000 I don't have one of those, but I got a couple different kinds of hives, and it's fun to see.

00:27:37.000 You know, sometimes you have the frames that...

00:27:40.000 Are already kind of pre-built, and then they just deposit their stuff in it, or you watch them grow their own comb from nothing, and it's pretty amazing.

00:27:49.000 How do you get them to stay there, though?

00:27:51.000 Like, how does it work?

00:27:52.000 Like, I see those boxes, and I know that bees do have hives in those boxes, but how does it initially start?

00:27:58.000 Well, it's the queen.

00:28:00.000 Wherever the queen is, that's where they go. 0.97

00:28:01.000 So if she decides to be in that box, how do you get her to stay in that box?

00:28:06.000 You have a place for her to lay eggs. 1.00

00:28:08.000 I mean, that's pretty much it.

00:28:09.000 Yeah.

00:28:10.000 And she will stay.

00:28:10.000 And if she's there, you know, when they go off to, they swarm to go find a new hive.

00:28:16.000 If you've ever seen a swarm up in a tree, just like a giant, like football size or even bigger, a shape of just bees, that queen is right in the middle and they're all just around her.

00:28:29.000 And then they send off the scouts to find a new spot.

00:28:33.000 They come back and say, hey, it's over here.

00:28:35.000 They do their little wiggle dance and that shows them how to get there and they all go there.

00:28:40.000 We had an incident once on Fear Factor where we covered these people with bees.

00:28:43.000 There was like a beekeeper there and he had his hive and a local hive came over and a group of bees came over and met with these bees and we had to clear the area out and they had to have a conversation.

00:28:55.000 It's literally what happened.

00:28:56.000 They were in the air, just floating around, and then they worked it out, and then our bees came back, and they went back to the hive, and their bees went about their business. 0.96

00:29:04.000 They were just like, what the fuck's going on? 0.99

00:29:06.000 You guys moving in here? 0.99

00:29:07.000 What are you doing?

00:29:08.000 Territorial.

00:29:09.000 Somehow or another, they worked it out, though.

00:29:10.000 There was no bee death. 0.98

00:29:12.000 There wasn't a bee fucking Braveheart war. 0.98

00:29:14.000 It's just they figured it out. 0.92

00:29:16.000 They had a good negotiator.

00:29:17.000 I wonder what...

00:29:18.000 Do they communicate with any...

00:29:21.000 I mean, are they using pheromones?

00:29:23.000 Like, how are they...

00:29:24.000 Yeah, smells.

00:29:25.000 Smells and dances.

00:29:27.000 Dances?

00:29:27.000 That's how they do it.

00:29:28.000 Dances?

00:29:29.000 Yeah, some bee will find, like, a good... 0.99

00:29:30.000 Hey, man, I found, like, a garden somewhere.

00:29:33.000 And they'll come back and they'll see them do the little wiggle thing.

00:29:36.000 It's like, how many wiggles this way?

00:29:39.000 And then they turn left and then turn...

00:29:40.000 Okay, that's like a half a mile this way and then that way.

00:29:44.000 And then they all learn it.

00:29:45.000 And then they go.

00:29:46.000 Of course.

00:29:46.000 Hey, I found some water.

00:29:48.000 Here's a place to go.

00:29:49.000 So they literally can tell them where something is by their movements?

00:29:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:29:52.000 Holy shit! 0.99

00:29:54.000 That's crazy! 0.99

00:29:56.000 So it's almost like a body language.

00:29:58.000 Pretty much, yep.

00:29:59.000 And they all know it somehow, instinctively.

00:30:01.000 Yep.

00:30:01.000 Wow!

00:30:03.000 Yeah, it's pretty bizarre.

00:30:04.000 There's a lot to learn about those things.

00:30:07.000 That's really bizarre.

00:30:08.000 Yeah.

00:30:09.000 I didn't know that.

00:30:10.000 They could tell each other where something is just by wiggling.

00:30:13.000 Like they have like, this means a mile, that means go left.

00:30:17.000 Wow!

00:30:18.000 Man, I'm going to get deep in bees, man. 1.00

00:30:20.000 What the fuck have you done? 1.00

00:30:21.000 All right. 1.00

00:30:22.000 Yeah.

00:30:23.000 And I'm sure there's probably a feel of like, wow, there's a whole society right here in my yard, and I'm overseeing it.

00:30:34.000 There's probably a sense of importance, but I lay off them.

00:30:39.000 I mean, there are people that are checking them all the time and this and that, and oh, you got to put the...

00:30:47.000 Certain pads in there to kill the mites and you gotta do this and that. 0.63

00:30:51.000 It's like, ah, they're natural, man.

00:30:52.000 They've been around longer than we have, so just let them go.

00:30:56.000 They know what they're doing.

00:30:57.000 I don't, you know, who's to say I know what I'm doing with them?

00:31:00.000 Do they need specific types of plants around them in order to survive? 0.88

00:31:05.000 Yeah.

00:31:05.000 Well, something that they can pollinate.

00:31:07.000 And, you know, it's from...

00:31:11.000 It's good to plant.

00:31:13.000 I've planted stuff that, you know, okay, it blooms in the spring, and then there's other stuff that blooms in the summer, and then there's other stuff that blooms, you know, like in the late summer.

00:31:22.000 So they've always got something going on.

00:31:24.000 But they hibernate.

00:31:25.000 They hibernate in the winter.

00:31:27.000 No kidding.

00:31:27.000 It's like bears.

00:31:28.000 Yep.

00:31:28.000 So when you're in Vail and you have, obviously, really cold weather in the winter, what do they do?

00:31:35.000 They just shut down and stay in the hive and don't move?

00:31:37.000 Yeah.

00:31:38.000 Well, I don't have bees in Vail yet, and I'm going to try and figure out how to do that.

00:31:42.000 But they, I mean, just like cattle, you know, you winter them down in the lowlands.

00:31:47.000 So I haven't found a place to have bees go where there's less snow.

00:31:54.000 But I'll figure something out because it's something I love doing.

00:31:57.000 That sounds amazing.

00:31:58.000 So in California, you have a whole ranch?

00:32:01.000 You're totally like a prepper almost.

00:32:04.000 You're sustainable.

00:32:05.000 Are you sustainable out there?

00:32:06.000 Well water the whole deal?

00:32:08.000 You bet.

00:32:08.000 Wow.

00:32:09.000 That's a dream of mine.

00:32:10.000 It is awesome.

00:32:12.000 I'll tell you.

00:32:13.000 And that's a place I could just go up and disappear.

00:32:15.000 I love it, man.

00:32:17.000 And just get lost.

00:32:18.000 Just get lost in the...

00:32:21.000 Anything.

00:32:21.000 You get lost in detail.

00:32:23.000 I've got lots of fun stuff up there, you know, quads and, you know, I've got my welder and whatever.

00:32:28.000 I just get lost in things and I love it.

00:32:32.000 You know, yeah, you know, hunting deer, turkey, stuff that we eat.

00:32:38.000 He hunted all up in the ranch.

00:32:40.000 Yep.

00:32:40.000 That's such a beautiful thing, man.

00:32:42.000 I remember hearing about Neil Young's place, that he's got some giant ranch up there, and Neil Young just goes and chills out.

00:32:47.000 Apparently he has speakers set up around a lake where he can be on a boat and push the boat out into the middle of the lake, and the speakers will broadcast.

00:32:55.000 It's perfectly set up.

00:32:57.000 Because, you know, he's a serious audiophile.

00:32:59.000 Absolutely.

00:32:59.000 Did you ever see his MP3 thing that he created?

00:33:02.000 It didn't really catch...

00:33:03.000 Catch on, yeah.

00:33:05.000 It didn't really catch on for some reason because people are just so attached to listen to music on their phones now, but it's an amazing little device.

00:33:11.000 To really put that much effort and intention into something that's not really necessary in the modern world just shows you what a serious audiophile that guy is.

00:33:22.000 Yeah, he loves it.

00:33:23.000 He loves music.

00:33:24.000 He loves the nature as well, and I've been up to his ranch.

00:33:27.000 It's really cool.

00:33:28.000 We played the Neil Young Bridge School Benefit like three times, and he invites people out there to the ranch.

00:33:35.000 It's beautiful.

00:33:36.000 He has buffalo out there.

00:33:37.000 Wow.

00:33:38.000 Yeah.

00:33:39.000 How many acres does he have out there?

00:33:41.000 A lot.

00:33:42.000 A lot.

00:33:43.000 It's like 10,000 or something, I remember.

00:33:44.000 Something like that, yeah.

00:33:45.000 Wow.

00:33:46.000 But yeah, beautiful, you know.

00:33:48.000 Yeah, I mean, for a guy like you that is... 0.69

00:33:51.000 I mean, I think you've found, like, this really amazing and enviable balance between the arena shows and all the fucking craziness of rock and then chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp. 1.00

00:34:04.000 You know, like, you've kind of like, ouch, ouch, fucker. 1.00

00:34:08.000 Slap. 1.00

00:34:09.000 I mean, it's really kind of cool, man.

00:34:11.000 Like, you've...

00:34:12.000 I mean, and also, like, being sober, like, you've kind of, like, found this interesting piece.

00:34:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:19.000 Slowly.

00:34:20.000 I'm not there yet, but more will be revealed.

00:34:25.000 It's a journey, and once I realize that it's just a journey, I'm okay with it.

00:34:33.000 Someone on another interview was just asking me, hey, you know, back in the early days, you guys released an album almost every year.

00:34:40.000 You've got like five albums in six years or something, and what happened?

00:34:45.000 It was eight years since the last one.

00:34:47.000 I was like, dude...

00:34:48.000 There's a lot more life to do.

00:34:51.000 There's a lot.

00:34:53.000 Vacations with families, watching my kids grow up, touring a lot longer than it used to be.

00:35:02.000 Back in those days, we had this many songs, and this is how many gigs we can do, and then we're back in the studio.

00:35:09.000 A lot is happening in life, and everyone in the band is on the same page, which is really a great thing.

00:35:19.000 We've all got kids.

00:35:21.000 We've all got other lives.

00:35:23.000 But we can't live without Metallica, man.

00:35:26.000 It's just something that joins us.

00:35:28.000 You know, we're these friggin' four married guys that know more about each other than anyone knows about us. 0.83

00:35:35.000 Maybe our wives. 1.00

00:35:36.000 But...

00:35:38.000 You know, Lars and I have known each other for 35 years.

00:35:43.000 Wow.

00:35:44.000 Even maybe 36. But I tell you, there's nobody else I've known longer except for maybe family than Lars.

00:35:51.000 So it's a brother.

00:35:53.000 You know, he's a brother. 0.98

00:35:54.000 I hate him. 0.95

00:35:55.000 I love him. 1.00

00:35:55.000 I want to kill him. 1.00

00:35:57.000 I want to hug him. 1.00

00:35:57.000 All that stuff, man. 1.00

00:36:00.000 Well, it's also, I mean, I gotta imagine that you guys have to realize what an unbelievably fortunate and amazing experience you guys are on. 0.98

00:36:11.000 I mean, how many people have a dream when they're kids of being a fucking rock star? 0.84

00:36:17.000 How many people get to be in Metallica? 0.99

00:36:19.000 It's crazy, dude.

00:36:21.000 I wake up every day and think, I'm freaking blessed.

00:36:24.000 I mean, this is unbelievable.

00:36:27.000 What? 0.99

00:36:28.000 If I complain once today, punch me in the face, you know? 1.00

00:36:32.000 This is stupid, you know? 1.00

00:36:33.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:36:34.000 This is stupid that I would complain about something. 0.99

00:36:37.000 But I tell you... 0.97

00:36:40.000 It is hard at times, being on the road, doing stuff, and when you don't want to do stuff, you do it, but then you find something, you find someone, you find a thing, and it's usually someone in the crowd that's just, you know,

00:36:55.000 I see myself right there. 0.72

00:36:57.000 It's like, I'm that kid right there at the Motorhead concert looking up at Lemmy going, this is fucking awesome! 0.99

00:37:06.000 And so I just suck that energy and go, all right, this is all I need. 0.99

00:37:12.000 This is all I need right now. 0.99

00:37:14.000 That's beautiful.

00:37:15.000 That was a hard one, right?

00:37:17.000 When Lemmy died?

00:37:18.000 Yeah.

00:37:20.000 Lemmy went hard to the end.

00:37:22.000 No doubt.

00:37:22.000 He really did.

00:37:23.000 He fucking wore the brakes out, wore the tires out, fucking screeched right into the rocks. 1.00

00:37:29.000 Boom! 1.00

00:37:29.000 Oh my God. 1.00

00:37:31.000 Yeah.

00:37:31.000 And he didn't want anyone to know that he was really that sick.

00:37:34.000 And he just kept going.

00:37:36.000 And God, that's what he knew.

00:37:37.000 And it's what he loved.

00:37:38.000 And it's what he was.

00:37:39.000 And, you know, for me, I thought the man was immortal.

00:37:44.000 You know, he was just this icon of a figure.

00:37:49.000 You know, he was the godfather of heavy music for us.

00:37:53.000 Without him, there certainly wouldn't be a Metallica.

00:37:57.000 Certainly wouldn't.

00:37:58.000 He was the catalyst for Lars and I, you know, getting together, you know?

00:38:04.000 That ad in the paper, you know?

00:38:05.000 We like bands like Motorhead.

00:38:07.000 It's like, hey, somebody else likes Motorhead?

00:38:09.000 All right!

00:38:11.000 Ads in the paper.

00:38:12.000 Isn't that crazy when you stop and think about that?

00:38:14.000 That's how you guys got together back then?

00:38:17.000 That's how you found band members?

00:38:19.000 Ads in the paper, looking for a drummer.

00:38:22.000 Do you like Motorhead?

00:38:24.000 Straight to the H section.

00:38:27.000 The classifieds.

00:38:32.000 Pass up all the stuff, just get right to H, where it said heavy metal.

00:38:35.000 Like, well, there's my ad and there's his.

00:38:38.000 We should meet.

00:38:39.000 There's only two of us.

00:38:43.000 Well, you guys have been through such a fascinating change in music, too.

00:38:48.000 Because, I mean, obviously, Lars was a huge figure in the controversy surrounding MP3s.

00:38:55.000 And that was, like, during the Napster days, that was the time where... 0.96

00:38:59.000 Everybody realized, like, holy shit, something just happened. 0.95

00:39:02.000 You know, and I don't think we realized it back then. 0.96

00:39:05.000 I think Lars, in a lot of ways, was one of the first people sounding the horn. 0.99

00:39:10.000 He was one of the first people going, hey, all this selling record shit is gonna go away. 0.98

00:39:15.000 Like, do you understand what's going on here? 0.98

00:39:16.000 People are just taking things and putting them online.

00:39:19.000 And this was a totally new thing.

00:39:22.000 Absolutely.

00:39:23.000 And that poor guy still, you know, he's taking bullets.

00:39:27.000 He's taking hits for it still.

00:39:29.000 Still?

00:39:30.000 Really?

00:39:31.000 Where?

00:39:31.000 Oh, everyone who's got a beef with any other thing than, you know, Napster.

00:39:38.000 It just gravitates towards that all the time.

00:39:41.000 That poor guy, yeah, he got beat up by that.

00:39:43.000 And we all stood behind him, obviously.

00:39:45.000 He was the spokesman for it.

00:39:47.000 He chose to do that.

00:39:50.000 Management said, hey, this is coming.

00:39:53.000 This is coming.

00:39:54.000 Let's be the ones that stand up for artists.

00:39:58.000 And he grabbed the flag and said, I'm going.

00:40:03.000 And there were lots of other musicians and people that were...

00:40:09.000 On board as well, but they weren't as vocal or taking the hits like he did.

00:40:14.000 There was something about, you know, even like a Dr. Dre, he was on board with it, but for some reason in the rap world, it's like, well, it's all about money anyway, so what?

00:40:27.000 For heavy metal, there was some kind of stigma around... 0.99

00:40:31.000 You know, you're an asshole if you're rich or if you've been successful or something. 1.00

00:40:36.000 It's like, we got to pull you down into hell with us, you know? 1.00

00:40:39.000 Don't be getting good now, you know? 0.91

00:40:42.000 Yeah.

00:40:42.000 So there was that stigma.

00:40:44.000 But there were other artists that would show up at shows saying, hey, man, I'm really glad you're doing what you're doing.

00:40:51.000 It's like, come on, you know, join us.

00:40:54.000 Oh, no, I can't.

00:40:55.000 Oh, no, my career would be over. 1.00

00:40:58.000 It's like, you fuck. 1.00

00:40:59.000 You know, it's so frustrating. 1.00

00:41:02.000 It's like, dude, do you believe in it?

00:41:04.000 Yeah.

00:41:05.000 Then stand up.

00:41:06.000 It's like, yeah, but no, it will fall apart.

00:41:09.000 Something will happen.

00:41:09.000 My fans, blah, blah, blah.

00:41:10.000 So they were concerned about their own careers and not the big picture of artists.

00:41:17.000 And obviously these days you can see.

00:41:21.000 There's no copyright laws.

00:41:22.000 There's no nothing, man.

00:41:23.000 You can rip this and that and whatever and do whatever you want with it.

00:41:26.000 There's a beauty to that and a lot of creativity comes out of it, but it gets watered down.

00:41:33.000 It gets, you know, I don't know.

00:41:36.000 We...

00:41:37.000 We acknowledge that, yeah, there's an inspiration somewhere for everything, but blatantly taking that and using it is pretty frustrating to me.

00:41:47.000 And we were at that point where we had...

00:41:53.000 Such a following we had such a strength in Metallica that we survived all of that stuff But there was a lot of bands that didn't you know They couldn't sustain themselves couldn't feed their families because of what happened and I think the frustrating part was no one really understood that Music is our life.

00:42:16.000 You know if you take that If you take our...

00:42:22.000 like the way we want to present our music is part of the art.

00:42:27.000 Like in an album, meaning like one song leads to the next song?

00:42:32.000 Well, like releasing an album.

00:42:33.000 Here's how we'd like to release it.

00:42:35.000 We don't want it leaked over here.

00:42:37.000 We don't want this happening.

00:42:39.000 A presentation is part of the art.

00:42:43.000 Like when you walk into an art studio, the artist has been in there putting it together.

00:42:47.000 Like, okay, I want you to see this first and then that.

00:42:50.000 And then you go here and you get BAM! There's a passion behind that.

00:42:56.000 And when someone just throws it out there, it kind of loses an impact. 0.99

00:43:05.000 So, if I'm complaining, punch me in the face.

00:43:10.000 But we have survived, and we feel good about it, and we've adapted, but the record companies certainly did not. 0.80

00:43:16.000 No, they took a hard hit.

00:43:18.000 But also, you know, when you look at the record deals, the deals that record companies make with artists, and you see, like, what are record companies selling?

00:43:26.000 Well, they're only selling your work, without your work, without your creativity, without your creations.

00:43:32.000 There's nothing to sell.

00:43:33.000 That's all they sell.

00:43:34.000 But then you look at these insanely one-sided deals that they cut with artists, especially emerging artists that might be a little bit more desperate, don't realize the potential, especially the potential for income that they might have in the future.

00:43:46.000 I mean, I've seen some of those.

00:43:47.000 I don't know.

00:43:48.000 There was that one that somebody said that Courtney Love didn't really write it, that it was ghost written. 0.92

00:43:53.000 I don't know who the fuck wrote it, but Courtney Love put it out saying that she wrote it, but it was a breakdown of how artists make money. 0.82

00:44:00.000 From the creation of an album, to having it sold in record stores, to where the money gets extracted, and how much is left for the actual artist. 0.99

00:44:10.000 It's pretty fucking disturbing.

00:44:12.000 Yeah, even, well, you know, a couple years ago, we got the rights to our catalog, our music, from Kill Em All up till now. 0.95

00:44:23.000 We own it, finally.

00:44:25.000 Which is weird.

00:44:26.000 I tell my kids, hey, you know, let's go celebrate.

00:44:29.000 We've got the master recordings.

00:44:32.000 We own it, finally.

00:44:33.000 And they were just looking at me like, what the hell are you talking about?

00:44:37.000 Yeah.

00:44:37.000 You wrote it.

00:44:38.000 Why isn't it yours?

00:44:40.000 Right.

00:44:41.000 Okay, well, I had a little talk about how it was back then.

00:44:45.000 You would somewhat sell a little bit of your soul to get a bigger something.

00:44:51.000 Basically, the record company was a bank and a marketing tool to get you where you wanted to be.

00:44:56.000 So it was a necessary thing at that time, but it's great to have our stuff back and be able to...

00:45:05.000 We own our own record press.

00:45:06.000 How cool is that?

00:45:08.000 In Germany, one of our management people found a place that had some machines that were for sale, and we bought one.

00:45:17.000 So we press our own vinyl, man.

00:45:20.000 And we could kind of do whatever we want.

00:45:23.000 What color vinyl today, you know?

00:45:25.000 Or what crazy things you can do, you know? 0.99

00:45:29.000 You guys can kind of do whatever the fuck you want now, right? 0.99

00:45:32.000 Pretty much. 0.98

00:45:32.000 You don't need a record company. 0.98

00:45:34.000 You can do anything.

00:45:35.000 Well, it depends.

00:45:36.000 We have a record company.

00:45:38.000 We own our own in America, or North America.

00:45:42.000 I think?

00:45:57.000 A vision and have a love for Metallica and understand that this is powerful stuff and people love it and we want to be part of the family.

00:46:07.000 But having your own record press is a pretty darn cool thing.

00:46:11.000 It was really inspired by Jack White, of White Stripes fame, Raconteers.

00:46:20.000 He's done a lot of stuff, but he...

00:46:23.000 He loves that stuff.

00:46:24.000 He's pressing his own stuff.

00:46:26.000 He's coming up with different ways of doing vinyls and colors and hidden tracks and cool stuff like that.

00:46:33.000 And it's just another way to get creative in your career.

00:46:38.000 Is vinyl what's selling more than anything now when it comes to actual physical hard copies of things?

00:46:46.000 I don't know the numbers, and they probably vary all over the place, but vinyl has never gone away.

00:46:53.000 I don't know if it's coming back, but it's more popular than it was.

00:46:58.000 I think there's just something tactile about it.

00:47:01.000 There's something great that people are finally understanding.

00:47:04.000 That you can look at artwork, you can feel it, and then the ritualization of opening up the player, taking it out and blowing on it, cleaning it, putting it down, setting the needle down.

00:47:20.000 It's something really cool.

00:47:23.000 I came down to LA a few months ago and hung out with some high school buddies.

00:47:27.000 It's like, hey, what do you want to do?

00:47:29.000 Oh, let's listen to some songs.

00:47:30.000 And he takes out the Kansas, you know, album, puts it on and...

00:47:35.000 Carry on our way with songs.

00:47:39.000 Exactly.

00:47:41.000 I was like, dude, this sounds so great.

00:47:44.000 Wow.

00:47:45.000 Yeah.

00:47:45.000 And we were actually listening to music, sitting down, listening to it.

00:47:49.000 My kids got into vinyl.

00:47:50.000 They got a, you know, like at Urban Outfitter, you buy the little, the setup now.

00:47:56.000 And that's where they, that's where you can get vinyl.

00:47:58.000 It's, it's, there, there are some record stores out there, but that's where they gravitate towards.

00:48:03.000 Got them this little player.

00:48:05.000 And, uh, They just picked out some album covers.

00:48:08.000 They didn't even know who they were.

00:48:09.000 It's like, this cover looks cool.

00:48:11.000 This speaks to me.

00:48:12.000 I'm buying this.

00:48:13.000 I remember doing that kind of thing, finding a cool cover.

00:48:17.000 Yep, that's how I discovered tons of bands.

00:48:19.000 So, they go into their room, and I leave them alone for a while, and they come back.

00:48:23.000 They haven't come out.

00:48:24.000 It's like, what's going on?

00:48:25.000 I look in there.

00:48:27.000 The record player's on the floor, covers and stuff strewn out all over the place, and they're laying on the floor listening to it.

00:48:33.000 It's like, that was me.

00:48:38.000 And my daughter comes out.

00:48:39.000 She said, Dad, you'll never guess what.

00:48:41.000 I'm like, what?

00:48:43.000 There's songs on the other side.

00:48:46.000 Oh my god!

00:48:47.000 Yeah, it's not a CD. She discovered some huge thing.

00:48:52.000 Wow.

00:48:53.000 Well, that was one of the things that was not...

00:48:55.000 What is this?

00:48:56.000 Vinyl sales outperformed digital downloads for the first time.

00:49:00.000 Nice.

00:49:01.000 Wow!

00:49:02.000 Shows a significant shift in how people are consuming music.

00:49:05.000 That's really interesting, man.

00:49:07.000 I tell you, that's just cool in general.

00:49:10.000 The more ways you can get music to people, the better.

00:49:14.000 Well, I think the other thing that you were saying, it's a whole presentation, the album cover.

00:49:19.000 You open it up, the inside, the artwork.

00:49:22.000 All that represents your vision of what you guys are trying to put out.

00:49:25.000 And that was one of the things that kind of went away with digital.

00:49:28.000 All of a sudden, there were no album covers.

00:49:30.000 The CD was that big.

00:49:33.000 It's like a tiny little piece of art.

00:49:35.000 And if you're downloading it, you're not even getting that.

00:49:38.000 You're just getting the music itself.

00:49:40.000 That's it.

00:49:40.000 Well, you would get downloadable artwork, but you're not really looking at the artwork while you're listening to it on your mobile device.

00:49:50.000 So the event of sitting down and disappearing into the music You know, being a real music listener.

00:49:58.000 I mean, while you're driving, I get it.

00:50:00.000 It's keeping you from killing people on the road. 0.96

00:50:03.000 But when you go home and you sit and you just get lost in stuff, even like those, the cheap friggin' headphones, man, the little earbuds. 0.85

00:50:13.000 My kids were listening to stuff on that.

00:50:15.000 It's like, you guys haven't experienced music, like good sound.

00:50:21.000 Here, try these headphones on.

00:50:22.000 They're like, whoa!

00:50:23.000 I hear stuff I didn't hear before.

00:50:27.000 But just seeing my kids get excited about going to a live concert.

00:50:32.000 They go there and they absorb it in every sense.

00:50:37.000 You're not just having your ears hear something.

00:50:41.000 And that will never be...

00:50:43.000 I don't know. 0.98

00:50:45.000 Maybe the friggin' goggles or some kind of audio-visual stuff will reproduce live shows, but there's something about being next to a sweaty fucker at a gig and them pushing you or seeing someone headbang wildly or getting thrown over the top of you. 0.97

00:51:06.000 There's just so much smells, things like that, that just can't be recreated. 0.97

00:51:11.000 So live music, my daughter just like, I can't believe that guy just pressed a button on his computer and he's singing over his own music.

00:51:20.000 That's not performing, you know?

00:51:22.000 She discovered that on her own.

00:51:25.000 Hey, these guys are actually playing their instruments. 1.00

00:51:27.000 And they fucked up. 0.99

00:51:29.000 They fucked up a song. 0.99

00:51:30.000 It was so cool. 0.90

00:51:31.000 You know?

00:51:32.000 I saw something that I wouldn't have, you know?

00:51:35.000 Really cool like that.

00:51:37.000 Yeah, the lip syncing thing, man.

00:51:38.000 When you go to see a concert and you find out that people are lip syncing, that's so disturbing.

00:51:44.000 It's just, what have you done?

00:51:47.000 What is the point of this?

00:51:49.000 It is disappointing.

00:51:50.000 What is live performance?

00:51:51.000 Live performance is supposed to be your experience in this thing actually happening.

00:51:55.000 You're watching this person express themselves.

00:51:57.000 They're not pretending.

00:52:00.000 You're not supposed to be pretending.

00:52:02.000 Right.

00:52:03.000 Are you pretending you're you? 1.00

00:52:04.000 You should be able to get your fucking money back. 1.00

00:52:08.000 That's pretending. 1.00

00:52:10.000 That's not singing.

00:52:11.000 I've gone to see plenty of shows with my kids, and you can tell.

00:52:16.000 It's like, alright, the mic's way over here, and they're still singing.

00:52:21.000 It's like, well, they have to have the backing tracks because they're dancing and they're out of breath. 0.98

00:52:25.000 It's like, well, fucking stop dancing and do the song. 0.97

00:52:28.000 I mean, are you a dancer or are you a musician or a singer or whatever? 1.00

00:52:32.000 Or up your fucking cardio. 0.99

00:52:33.000 Start running hills. 1.00

00:52:34.000 It can be done.

00:52:36.000 There you go.

00:52:36.000 Come to Vail and run up the 14er.

00:52:39.000 Exactly.

00:52:39.000 It can be done.

00:52:41.000 But I've seen shows where there's that going on, and then they'll get real.

00:52:46.000 You know, like, sit down on a couch, plug it in acoustic, and sing at a key, and, like, really try and struggle with the song, or sing it, you know.

00:52:55.000 It's like, that's natural.

00:52:56.000 That feels good.

00:52:57.000 Who would not gravitate towards that than listening to the album?

00:53:02.000 I can listen to the album at home.

00:53:03.000 Yeah.

00:53:03.000 That's why it's cool to just see an acoustic set sometimes from people.

00:53:06.000 Mm-hmm.

00:53:08.000 It's as minimal as possible.

00:53:10.000 You're breaking it down to the bare bones, just a guitar and two people singing or something. 0.97

00:53:14.000 Yeah, that is pretty intimidating, I tell you, when we do like that Neil Young benefit where it's, you know, acoustic only, and you're friggin' naked up there, dude. 0.98

00:53:25.000 Every note is like, you know, and every fuck up on the vocal. 0.98

00:53:31.000 It's great. 0.95

00:53:33.000 I mean, it's like when, you know, you go, or you're gonna be on a TV thing and they put makeup on you.

00:53:38.000 It's like, why are you doing that?

00:53:39.000 Right, exactly.

00:53:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:53:42.000 So when people see me in person, they think, damn, you're one ugly fucker. 1.00

00:53:47.000 It's like, no, I want to be as ugly as possible to everyone. 1.00

00:53:52.000 So when they see me, they go, hey, it's you, you know?

00:53:55.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:53:56.000 Yeah, you're not airbrushed. 0.97

00:53:58.000 Yeah, you see a Photoshop of yourself, and it's like, you know, they smoothed out all your lines, and you're like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.96

00:54:05.000 What have you done to me?

00:54:06.000 Sometimes you gotta do it, or like, you know, if you're in a band, like I am, and the three guys get the stuff put on, and then I show up, it's like, dude, oh my god, you're shiny!

00:54:18.000 Exactly. 0.99

00:54:19.000 It's like people are going to go, fuck this band. 1.00

00:54:21.000 That dude's sweating. 1.00

00:54:22.000 Yeah.

00:54:23.000 Right, right.

00:54:25.000 When it comes to the Napster thing and what happened with Lars, I feel like...

00:54:29.000 There's two different things.

00:54:31.000 There's what's really happening, and there's how people look at it.

00:54:34.000 And what's really happening was all of a sudden this door got opened up, or this Pandora's box got opened.

00:54:40.000 And you guys were looking at it going, whoa, we're going to lose our record sales.

00:54:45.000 Do you understand that people have been consuming music in a certain way, you've been paying for music, and that paying for music is supported.

00:54:53.000 All these people that are a part of this industry that makes albums, there's this gigantic thing behind it, this is all gonna go away, because you just put a hole in the bottom of it and all the money's gonna get dropped out. 0.94

00:55:04.000 But then the way it looks is, look at this rich motherfucker, you know, he doesn't appreciate his fans, hey man, I can't afford your album right now, is it okay if I just download it for free? 0.93

00:55:17.000 A lot of people thought, well, hey, people who can afford it will still be downloading it, and then they'll buy it when they can. 0.98

00:55:25.000 But that wasn't really the case, was it?

00:55:28.000 Nah, I don't know.

00:55:29.000 You know, I'm all for convenience in the technology moving forward.

00:55:35.000 Getting music out to people is the important part.

00:55:38.000 But just make sure the artist gets what they deserve from it.

00:55:43.000 Because without that, it's going to become a hobby.

00:55:47.000 No one wants, you know, I don't want to see the paramedic show up at my house and it's like a hobby for him.

00:55:53.000 Hey, you know, I'm not really getting paid for what I think I should get paid for, my creation, but I guess I'll save your life, you know, maybe.

00:56:04.000 People didn't relate that to their career or something equivalent.

00:56:12.000 Well, I think because the money wasn't equivalent.

00:56:14.000 They looked at you guys like, you guys are already so rich. 1.00

00:56:16.000 What do you give a shit? 0.99

00:56:16.000 There's no way you're gonna be broke. 0.99

00:56:18.000 You guys made millions and millions and millions of dollars.

00:56:20.000 You tour all over the world.

00:56:22.000 And it became the touring thing was the way artists made money then, right?

00:56:27.000 Touring and merchandise.

00:56:28.000 And that's now how record companies are structuring their deals.

00:56:32.000 You know, hey, we get a piece of your merch and touring.

00:56:35.000 See, that's bizarre, though.

00:56:36.000 The record companies getting a piece of your touring, to me, is very strange.

00:56:40.000 And I've seen not just a piece, but an exorbitant amount.

00:56:44.000 And that disturbs me.

00:56:45.000 Well, that's the only way they can survive now. 0.97

00:56:47.000 They shouldn't be around then, because then you become a parasite, because you don't deserve it.

00:56:51.000 I mean, especially now where bands can literally become gigantic because of YouTube.

00:56:56.000 Didn't Justin Bieber become huge just entirely because of YouTube?

00:56:59.000 Jamie knows.

00:56:59.000 Look at him.

00:57:00.000 He's a fucking Justin Bieber fan. 1.00

00:57:01.000 He hides it. 1.00

00:57:03.000 Hey, me too.

00:57:05.000 First I heard him sing, I thought it was a girl.

00:57:07.000 I didn't even know it was a...

00:57:08.000 I didn't know.

00:57:10.000 Well, I tell you, the whole, you know, would you go up to the artist and take that out of his pocket?

00:57:19.000 Would you go into a record store and just lift that, steal it, run out the door with it?

00:57:26.000 Would you do that with, you know, okay, there's big corporations that are rich, and would you go walk in and just steal their stuff?

00:57:34.000 I mean, there's software companies that are massive.

00:57:37.000 Would you go in there and just rip their stuff?

00:57:40.000 Yeah.

00:57:40.000 I don't get that mentality.

00:57:43.000 Call me old school, but you need to earn what you get.

00:57:47.000 And if it gets stolen from you, it doesn't make any sense.

00:57:51.000 It's hard to fathom. 0.79

00:57:53.000 And what it seems like to me, and I could be talking out my ass, but the record companies dropped the ball and the new record companies became iTunes. 0.97

00:58:04.000 They control it all. 0.92

00:58:06.000 Here's how much we're charging for your music, and here's how much you're going to get.

00:58:10.000 Everyone's even.

00:58:11.000 It's like some communist approach, you know?

00:58:14.000 And I don't understand that.

00:58:17.000 If we're an artist and we make a lot of money, that's up to us.

00:58:20.000 If we give all our money away to charity or we throw it back into a movie that bombs, which happened, that's our choice. 0.99

00:58:28.000 We're the fucking artist. 0.99

00:58:30.000 We get to do what we want. 1.00

00:58:32.000 It's our party.

00:58:33.000 You're invited. 0.98

00:58:34.000 And we can destroy this thing if we want.

00:58:36.000 I don't want you to destroy it.

00:58:38.000 Yeah, the iTunes distribution model is a very bizarre one.

00:58:41.000 It's very strange how they've...

00:58:43.000 They don't know what they're doing.

00:58:44.000 No one knows what they're doing.

00:58:45.000 And, you know, there was a system that worked, and I'm up for bucking the system and making it better, but it didn't.

00:58:52.000 It didn't get better.

00:58:53.000 It's like you said, the cat got out of the bag, and you can't put it back in, man.

00:58:57.000 You just can't.

00:58:59.000 So what do you do?

00:59:00.000 Oh, you got Spotify, or you got something else where streaming's gonna help get the artist their money, and...

00:59:08.000 It's, you know, companies like that are losing money a lot.

00:59:12.000 Spotify?

00:59:14.000 I don't know the exact workings, and I'm not going to speak for them at all, but it hasn't been figured out yet, is what I'm saying.

00:59:22.000 It hasn't been figured out how to make a music model work, and there's no one way.

00:59:27.000 Maybe there will never be one way again, and that's fine, but it's still unbalanced.

00:59:33.000 Well, this technology continues to evolve and change.

00:59:36.000 It's sort of in a lot of ways like Twitter.

00:59:38.000 Like how many millions and hundreds of millions of people use Twitter, but they can't figure out a way to make money with it.

00:59:42.000 It's this very strange thing where people just want to use stuff.

00:59:46.000 They don't want to give you any money.

00:59:47.000 So you have to figure out some way to extract money from all these people using stuff.

00:59:51.000 And if you have a streaming service, You know, and it's free.

00:59:55.000 It's a free streaming service.

00:59:56.000 And I see some of the fees that they pay artists for music that's been played millions of times.

01:00:02.000 Like, what was that one song?

01:00:04.000 I forget who it was.

01:00:06.000 Like, the most played song on Spotify.

01:00:09.000 And then they have the numbers that the guy got for that actual song. 0.96

01:00:12.000 And you're like, well, where the fuck is the money going then? 0.98

01:00:16.000 Right. 0.98

01:00:18.000 Well, you know, I... We're talking a lot about money here.

01:00:22.000 There it is.

01:00:23.000 Pharrell made two... 1.00

01:00:25.000 Oh, these fucking ads. 1.00

01:00:26.000 This is what's wrong with America. 1.00

01:00:28.000 Looks like you're using an ad blocker.

01:00:30.000 Yeah, I'm using an ad blocker. 1.00

01:00:31.000 To stop this, you fuck. 1.00

01:00:33.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:00:35.000 How to display...

01:00:36.000 Here it goes. 0.98

01:00:37.000 Pharrell made only $2,700,000 in songwriting royalties from 43 million plays of his song that I can't look at the ad because it's a fucking ad blocker. 0.97

01:00:51.000 Is that Business Insider? 1.00

01:00:53.000 Hey, fuck you, Business Insider. 1.00

01:00:57.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:00:58.000 You can't have ads just pop up, you cunt. 1.00

01:01:00.000 Those are gross. 1.00

01:01:02.000 That's frustrating.

01:01:03.000 That's another thing, but that's another thing.

01:01:04.000 But that's how they're making money.

01:01:05.000 They're trying to figure out a way, because nobody wants to buy magazines anymore.

01:01:07.000 Well, that's how they're making money, not Pharrell.

01:01:09.000 43 million plays of Happy.

01:01:12.000 2,000 bucks.

01:01:15.000 Yikes. 1.00

01:01:15.000 That's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:01:16.000 It's a plane ticket. 1.00

01:01:17.000 Yeah.

01:01:18.000 For 43 million...

01:01:19.000 I mean, it's nuts.

01:01:20.000 We talk a lot about money, but it's not...

01:01:22.000 I mean, it's not about the money, and it doesn't...

01:01:25.000 It shouldn't be anybody's friggin' business how much you make, how much he makes.

01:01:30.000 I mean, if you want to reveal it, fine.

01:01:32.000 But...

01:01:34.000 Why is there such a stigma around being successful?

01:01:38.000 I don't understand that.

01:01:40.000 People will just want to rip you for it.

01:01:42.000 Well, there's a disingenuous approach to art if you're just doing art to make money.

01:01:51.000 And that's what people hate.

01:01:52.000 One of the things that I loved about your new album is it's totally clear 100% that this is a real Metallica album.

01:01:58.000 This isn't just some, hey man, we need to make some money, let's slap together some shitty ideas and make a Metallica album out of it, and we know how to do it. 0.99

01:02:06.000 No, it's a fucking Metallica album. 0.98

01:02:08.000 And that's because you're creating your art. 0.99

01:02:11.000 You're not necessarily doing it saying, hey, if we do this, we should be able to make money.

01:02:17.000 I think when people...

01:02:19.000 If you think that someone's just trying to make money, it drives them crazy.

01:02:22.000 People know in their head that that's not how great art is created.

01:02:28.000 The money might be a consequence of great art, but you don't say, let's make a movie that makes $100 million.

01:02:34.000 This is going to be awesome. 0.99

01:02:35.000 No, the fuck it's not. 1.00

01:02:37.000 That's going to be much of shitty CGI and explosions and a hot girl and the guy and the girl kiss at the end and fuck you, I saw it all coming. 1.00

01:02:44.000 It's been done before. 0.99

01:02:45.000 Yeah, it's been done before because you're just slapping together a formula, and that stuff drives people nuts when you know that someone is doing something just for money.

01:02:53.000 So whenever money gets discussed, people automatically get that sort of weird distaste, like, oh, it's money. 0.97

01:02:59.000 That fucking money's ruining everything. 0.99

01:03:01.000 They're going to be doing ballads on some teenage angst fucking movie next. 1.00

01:03:06.000 Right, right. 1.00

01:03:07.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:03:08.000 Right. 1.00

01:03:09.000 Well, that's not hardwired.

01:03:10.000 That's for sure.

01:03:12.000 No.

01:03:13.000 We're still searching for it.

01:03:16.000 You're still doing it.

01:03:17.000 Still searching for the right, the best, the ultimate riff.

01:03:20.000 Yeah, but you're still doing it.

01:03:22.000 That's what's most important.

01:03:23.000 You're still doing it.

01:03:24.000 And it can be done.

01:03:25.000 I think when we were kids, there weren't old rockers.

01:03:30.000 You know?

01:03:30.000 I'm 49. How old are you?

01:03:32.000 53. When we were kids, who the fuck was an old rocker? 0.99

01:03:36.000 You know, Jerry Lee Lewis is pretty old. 0.99

01:03:37.000 He's still out there doing it.

01:03:39.000 Chuck Berry's still touring. 0.99

01:03:40.000 Holy shit, you know? 1.00

01:03:41.000 But now, you got fucking Mick Jaggers going crazy on stage. 1.00

01:03:45.000 He's fucking 70. He's still ripped. 1.00

01:03:47.000 He just had a kid. 1.00

01:03:48.000 He had a fucking kid. 1.00

01:03:49.000 How is that possible? 1.00

01:03:50.000 The last sperm, the fucking last survivor with a one-eyed sperm with a fucking axe wound across his face, marches through the battlefield and punches through that egg. 1.00

01:04:00.000 I made it. 1.00

01:04:01.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:04:02.000 Goddamn pirate comedy. 0.99

01:04:05.000 I mean, that guy's still out there smashing it. 0.99

01:04:09.000 I've seen him. 1.00

01:04:10.000 His fucking concerts are rocking. 1.00

01:04:13.000 He's got energy. 1.00

01:04:15.000 Not only him, but one person.

01:04:17.000 We get compared to the Stones.

01:04:18.000 Like, how long are you going to do this is the question.

01:04:21.000 I don't know.

01:04:22.000 If it's still fun, we're going to do it.

01:04:25.000 When it's not fun, then we'll let you know.

01:04:27.000 Yeah.

01:04:29.000 But yeah, Mick Jagger, the Stones, Mick Jagger for sure.

01:04:32.000 He's out there.

01:04:33.000 He's doing his thing.

01:04:34.000 He's all over the place.

01:04:36.000 You know, the Stones, music-wise, and the rest of the band, you know, they're doing what they've always done, but it's not the physicality like, say, Metallica has.

01:04:46.000 So, you know, Charlie Watts is not Lars Ulrich.

01:04:51.000 You know, like, you know.

01:04:53.000 Right.

01:04:53.000 At some point, your body's saying, oh boy, we can't do this for this long anymore.

01:05:00.000 Let's take a break.

01:05:02.000 So keeping yourself healthy in a physical, mental, and spiritual sense, you've got to do all that for sanity's sake.

01:05:12.000 Other bands that are out there that are doing it, Angus Young is probably the guy where I'd definitely take my hat off for. 0.58

01:05:19.000 That dude is insane.

01:05:21.000 And I don't know, he must sweat gallons every show. 0.87

01:05:25.000 And he's, you know, he's like the size, you know, he's like a little dude.

01:05:30.000 He is an elf.

01:05:32.000 And he's out, where's that water coming from?

01:05:34.000 Where?

01:05:36.000 How can you sweat your body weight, you know?

01:05:39.000 And he's out there headbanging and rocking.

01:05:42.000 I mean, and he's up there in age, too.

01:05:44.000 So that's the person we're kind of...

01:05:48.000 I guess, seeing how long can this guy go?

01:05:51.000 He's the canary in the coal mine.

01:05:53.000 He is, man. 1.00

01:05:54.000 Yeah, but also, how does he not have fucking brain damage from all that headbanging? 0.99

01:05:58.000 Like, soccer players are getting brain damage. 1.00

01:06:00.000 He might, but he might not give a fuck. 1.00

01:06:02.000 Like, that's the price you pay. 1.00

01:06:04.000 Take some vitamins, get back out there, bitch. 1.00

01:06:06.000 Yeah, well, I'll tell you, out of the big four, if you know the big four, Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, these four bands that are still going, and unbelievably, after 35 years, Myself, Dave Mustaine, and Tom Mariah have all had neck surgery from all of this headbanging. 0.99

01:06:25.000 You had neck surgery?

01:06:26.000 Yeah.

01:06:26.000 What kind of neck surgery?

01:06:28.000 It was a partial discectomy in like C6. Okay, so you had a bulging disc.

01:06:33.000 It was repression on your nerve?

01:06:35.000 Pressed on my nerve going down my arm.

01:06:37.000 I couldn't pick my arm up.

01:06:38.000 The ulnar nerve, so it was like making your hands numb?

01:06:40.000 Yeah.

01:06:41.000 Well, I couldn't pick my arm up.

01:06:42.000 Did you ever do decompression?

01:06:46.000 Spinal decompression?

01:06:47.000 Decompression chamber?

01:06:48.000 No.

01:06:49.000 Spinal decompression, like they put a harness on your neck and they stretch your neck out.

01:06:52.000 Do they do that?

01:06:53.000 Yeah.

01:06:54.000 Do you have one of those at home?

01:06:55.000 I don't.

01:06:55.000 You need to get one of those.

01:06:56.000 It's gigantic.

01:06:58.000 It's so simple.

01:06:59.000 It's just a harness that you put on.

01:07:00.000 It straps Velcro around it.

01:07:02.000 It connects to a door, the top of a door.

01:07:04.000 And you just sit down on a chair and it's like you're hanging yourself.

01:07:06.000 You pull it click-click like this and it just stretches.

01:07:09.000 It carries your weight a little bit on your neck.

01:07:11.000 You're still sitting.

01:07:13.000 That's it right there.

01:07:14.000 See it up in that screen?

01:07:15.000 I have one of those in my house. 0.98

01:07:16.000 It's fucking invaluable. 0.99

01:07:17.000 It's so giant. 0.99

01:07:18.000 Because it's the only way to legitimately stretch your neck.

01:07:21.000 And a lot of spinal decompression, a lot of bulging discs and the pain and discomfort associated with it, you can mitigate a lot of that with one of those things.

01:07:31.000 It's big.

01:07:32.000 I don't have to wear that shirt, right?

01:07:33.000 No, you can wear whatever you want.

01:07:34.000 You can go naked.

01:07:35.000 I got another thing I'm going to show you that's called the Iron Neck that'll strengthen your neck up.

01:07:39.000 We were looking at that.

01:07:40.000 Yeah.

01:07:41.000 I'll show you how to do it.

01:07:42.000 This guy just brought it in last week.

01:07:44.000 I'm obsessed with it. 0.98

01:07:45.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.97

01:07:46.000 And it's also good. 0.99

01:07:47.000 It's not difficult to do.

01:07:49.000 It's pretty easy to do.

01:07:49.000 But it's also good for not just strengthening your neck, but increasing your range of motion.

01:07:53.000 Hey, great. 0.99

01:07:54.000 But I can imagine that all the fucking... 0.99

01:07:56.000 Yeah, after a while, man. 0.99

01:08:00.000 Yeah, not just that, but just the posture of your guitar.

01:08:04.000 You're playing really low and you're down.

01:08:08.000 There's posture stuff, but I agree that making it straight, making your back straight is harder now than it was.

01:08:16.000 You know, leaning against the wall and thinking, wow, I don't want to be that old dude, you know, who's hunched over the middle of his back as like a friggin', you know, like the hunchback at Notre Dame or something.

01:08:28.000 It creeps in on you.

01:08:29.000 You don't even realize it's happening until it's too late, and then you can't straighten it back up again.

01:08:33.000 Right.

01:08:33.000 Do you exercise?

01:08:34.000 Yeah.

01:08:34.000 What do you do?

01:08:36.000 I got a physical trainer in Vail.

01:08:39.000 Basically, keeping range of motion going, core, you know, lots of hiking, treadmill, stuff like that.

01:08:47.000 Not so much, you know, power, you know, bulking up or anything, but just trying to stay mobile.

01:08:54.000 I've got...

01:08:56.000 And I'm sure everyone at my age has some of it.

01:08:59.000 It's a, you know, a spinal stenosis where there's, you know, calcium and, you know, kind of arthritic buildup around your spinal cord.

01:09:09.000 So keeping that mobile, keeping things moving.

01:09:12.000 I go to a, like, holistic healer, too, who's breaking up calcium on fingers and toes and stuff.

01:09:19.000 And I'm doing all I can, doing all I can to get up there and be Angus Young still.

01:09:26.000 Yeah, well, if you're experiencing issues with stenosis, too, that machine can help that a lot, strengthen your whole spinal cord.

01:09:33.000 And I've got another thing in the back I want to show you.

01:09:35.000 It's called a reverse hyper.

01:09:36.000 It actually helps decompress your body.

01:09:42.000 It decompresses your spinal column and strengthens it at the same time.

01:09:46.000 It's created by that...

01:09:47.000 See that guy with the black shirt? 1.00

01:09:48.000 That guy's a fucking psychopath. 1.00

01:09:49.000 His name's Louie Simmons. 1.00

01:09:50.000 Great guy.

01:09:51.000 We interviewed him for the podcast. 1.00

01:09:53.000 He's completely out of his fucking mind. 1.00

01:09:55.000 He's been on steroids straight since 1976. He's never gone off of them. 1.00

01:09:59.000 Well, he's pointing at that lady like something's happening. 1.00

01:10:02.000 So fuck, Liz is explaining what it does to your back. 1.00

01:10:06.000 But that machine, man, anybody with back issues, any back issue at all, because what that machine does is it allows your back to actively decompress from the lower back all the way up to your neck area. 0.99

01:10:19.000 And it strengthens everything and decompresses it.

01:10:22.000 So it lengthens your spine.

01:10:23.000 It stretches all that tissue out and pulls all the fascia and all that stuff out.

01:10:30.000 You can see him demonstrating it here.

01:10:32.000 When this woman gets up there, see as it goes down, it's actually pulling your back. 1.00

01:10:37.000 And that's like the only exercise that I've ever seen that decompresses and then on the lift up, strengthens all those muscles, and then on the way down, it pulls them down.

01:10:45.000 I have a bunch of different things in the back, because I've had some disc issues myself, but I took care of all of them without surgery.

01:10:51.000 Right on.

01:10:52.000 But it wasn't, the doctors were trying to cut me.

01:10:55.000 That's their immediate thing, like, oh, you're going to need surgery, get in there.

01:10:59.000 Well, probably eventually you're going to have to have your discs fused.

01:11:02.000 I was like, what?

01:11:03.000 Wait a minute.

01:11:04.000 I'm moving around fine.

01:11:05.000 How come you guarantee that it's going to get worse?

01:11:08.000 Why is it that when you're at one state, they never think, well, you can improve this with physical therapy and it can get better?

01:11:16.000 Their immediate reaction is it's going to get worse, so count on getting surgery.

01:11:20.000 Oh, that's what they know.

01:11:21.000 And that's what they're schooled on.

01:11:22.000 And I love the fact that you're giving them the finger and say, hey, no, I don't have to go down that path.

01:11:27.000 I'm going to try it this way.

01:11:28.000 And there are lots of different ways to do that.

01:11:31.000 And unfortunately, mine was touching the nerve.

01:11:35.000 And I couldn't lift my arm.

01:11:36.000 And there was atrophy happening.

01:11:37.000 And so something had to happen.

01:11:40.000 But my back, yeah, I've gone on to, I've had like, you know, ruptured discs, spits.

01:11:47.000 Broken ribs, gone on tour.

01:11:51.000 Singing with two broken ribs, not fun. 1.00

01:11:54.000 But yeah, the back, man, when it hurts, you turn into a fucking baby, man. 0.99

01:12:01.000 It's just like... 1.00

01:12:02.000 I know, right?

01:12:03.000 You can have a torn calf muscle and you limp around, but you seem to be okay.

01:12:07.000 But your back, you're like...

01:12:09.000 I can't do anything.

01:12:10.000 My life's over. 0.98

01:12:12.000 But alright, we'll go see your torture chamber or your racks.

01:12:17.000 Do you do yoga at all?

01:12:19.000 No.

01:12:19.000 Oh, that's what you gotta do.

01:12:21.000 You gotta get involved.

01:12:22.000 Seems like everything wrong. 1.00

01:12:26.000 Like housewife, bullshit, maybe gay. 1.00

01:12:29.000 Dude, I don't care about any of that crap. 1.00

01:12:31.000 If it's gonna help me, I'm into it. 0.96

01:12:34.000 I think anybody over 40 in particular, yoga is gigantic.

01:12:38.000 Yeah, cool.

01:12:39.000 Well, I mean, I've done things where, you know, okay, we're going to ask your body some questions, and here, put this statement against your chest, or here, where are these colored glasses, and, you know, here's tuning forks on your body, you know, things like that, you know.

01:12:55.000 I'm totally, I'm an explorer.

01:12:57.000 I'd like to, and if it works, cool.

01:12:59.000 If it doesn't work, hey, I tried it.

01:13:01.000 What was the question you had to ask your body?

01:13:03.000 You wrote it down on a piece of paper and put it to your chest?

01:13:06.000 Yeah, what was the question? 0.97

01:13:07.000 Am I retarded? 0.96

01:13:10.000 Never going full retard. 1.00

01:13:13.000 Look at Champagne, full retard. 1.00

01:13:15.000 No, didn't work. 0.93

01:13:17.000 Right, I don't know what the question was.

01:13:19.000 Like, why am I doing this?

01:13:22.000 Why am I writing a piece of paper and putting it on my chest?

01:13:25.000 Something like, am I willing to get healthy?

01:13:28.000 Something like that.

01:13:30.000 I'd like to be friends with my body instead of abusing it.

01:13:37.000 Stuff like that.

01:13:38.000 Well, the intensity of your performances.

01:13:40.000 I mean, I just can only imagine the physical strain that it puts in your body.

01:13:44.000 That's why I wanted to ask you about fitness.

01:13:45.000 Like, you kind of have to be in shape to do Metallica concerts at 30. Forget about it, 53. Yeah.

01:13:53.000 We have PT on the road.

01:13:56.000 A therapist who will stretch us out.

01:13:58.000 We're all different.

01:14:00.000 My back, my neck.

01:14:02.000 Robert's calves. 0.99

01:14:04.000 He's this frigging... 0.85

01:14:05.000 He's calves? 0.99

01:14:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:14:09.000 He's frigging Tarzan, that guy. 0.97

01:14:11.000 He gets way down. 0.95

01:14:12.000 He's a surfer.

01:14:13.000 Calves and his forearms from playing with his fingers.

01:14:18.000 They cramp up.

01:14:20.000 And then Lars's shoulder.

01:14:22.000 This one.

01:14:23.000 Hi-hat.

01:14:25.000 Right.

01:14:26.000 So we've all got our thing, Kirk's wrists.

01:14:29.000 And this guy's out there helping us.

01:14:31.000 And, you know, he'll give us things to try and work on.

01:14:35.000 And, you know, we all have to have our regiments out here.

01:14:40.000 It's like you take a part of home on the road.

01:14:42.000 You know, it's not like...

01:14:44.000 I need my hotel room decorated like my house.

01:14:49.000 Bring my bed on tour.

01:14:51.000 Not that, but it's people that can help me out on the road.

01:14:55.000 Some people do go crazy like that, right?

01:14:57.000 They do.

01:14:57.000 Some rock stars?

01:14:58.000 Yeah.

01:14:59.000 I want you to recreate that.

01:15:01.000 And I've heard stories, and it's kind of funny.

01:15:04.000 Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

01:15:05.000 I don't want to continue a rumor, but just hearing that, yeah, some of the guys in the Stones will have their decorator come in and they've decorated their hotel room like their home or something, put their favorite things in there and all that, and then they're there for a night and then they go off to the next place,

01:15:23.000 you know?

01:15:23.000 And the decorator meets them in advance and sets it up at the next spot, too.

01:15:27.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

01:15:27.000 I mean, I guess if you're fucking Mick Jagger, whatever, do whatever the hell you want. 0.98

01:15:32.000 You're 90,000 years old, you're still getting chicks pregnant. 1.00

01:15:36.000 What kind of reality does that guy live in?

01:15:37.000 Who am I to say it's wrong, man?

01:15:40.000 Yeah, you do what you want and feel good about it.

01:15:44.000 When you go to bed, wake up and go, okay, I'm alright.

01:15:47.000 That's the main thing. 1.00

01:15:49.000 If I've gone to bed and say, man, that was stupid. 1.00

01:15:53.000 Actually, yeah, the other day I did something pretty stupid. 1.00

01:15:55.000 I gotta call this guy and tell him. 0.98

01:15:58.000 We were doing this...

01:15:59.000 What was it?

01:16:01.000 The guy, Billy on the Street.

01:16:03.000 You know that?

01:16:03.000 Billy on the Street.

01:16:04.000 What's that?

01:16:05.000 Billy Eichel, I think his name is.

01:16:08.000 He's on the street, just running up to people.

01:16:11.000 Oh, okay.

01:16:11.000 Like a show?

01:16:12.000 Yeah, like quiz shows.

01:16:14.000 What's the name of Adele's album? 1.00

01:16:16.000 No, you suck! 1.00

01:16:17.000 And then run off to the next person. 1.00

01:16:18.000 Really manic, kind of crazy stuff.

01:16:20.000 We did that in a store with him the other day.

01:16:23.000 We went shopping at a supermarket...

01:16:26.000 And in a shopping cart, Metallica's pushing his shopping cart around.

01:16:32.000 He's running up to people going, hey, what are you buying today?

01:16:35.000 Oh, you're making a salad?

01:16:37.000 Hey, do you want to get pumped up while you're shopping?

01:16:39.000 We got Metallica here to pump you up!

01:16:41.000 So we...

01:16:44.000 We press the play button in Sandman's Play, and we're like, yeah, come on!

01:16:49.000 At a supermarket.

01:16:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:51.000 And we're filling up their cart with stuff they don't need. 1.00

01:16:53.000 And they're like, ah, fuck! 1.00

01:16:54.000 And this one guy was at the salad bar, and he looked like he just took a break from work. 1.00

01:17:00.000 It was on his lunch break.

01:17:02.000 And I started filling up his salad with peas and all kinds of stuff, and we're throwing salad all over the place.

01:17:07.000 And I turned around.

01:17:11.000 To grab some more stuff.

01:17:12.000 Lars had put dressing on his salad.

01:17:14.000 I didn't know that.

01:17:15.000 So at the end, when we took off, I just...

01:17:17.000 I wanted to just throw it in his face.

01:17:20.000 Like, it was just a dry salad.

01:17:22.000 Oh, God.

01:17:23.000 And the dressing went all over him. 1.00

01:17:24.000 He's like, you fuckers! 1.00

01:17:26.000 Like, oops, that backfired. 1.00

01:17:28.000 Okay, we've gone a little too far.

01:17:30.000 I'm 18 again and trashing the hotel room.

01:17:32.000 Okay, we're at the supermarket.

01:17:35.000 Chill out, James. 1.00

01:17:36.000 Who organized this fucking thing? 0.99

01:17:40.000 It's just part of our promo tour thing. 0.99

01:17:46.000 We're trying to do funny, cool, different stuff.

01:17:50.000 Some of these shows, they get wacky.

01:17:55.000 I don't know if you saw the Metallica playing with the roots on Jimmy Fallon, playing Sandman on the little...

01:18:01.000 No, I didn't see that.

01:18:02.000 Do-do-do.

01:18:03.000 We got little recorders and little drum sets, little kids' instruments.

01:18:10.000 That was a lot of fun.

01:18:11.000 So we're getting to have some fun and kind of not be too serious about all of this. 0.84

01:18:17.000 Well, that's a cool thing to see, someone who's as big as you are in a band that's just a goddamn gigantic, monolith, epic band. 1.00

01:18:26.000 But you guys are silly. 1.00

01:18:27.000 You guys are pretty goddamn epic. 1.00

01:18:29.000 Alright. 0.98

01:18:30.000 You know?

01:18:30.000 I think you know that.

01:18:32.000 Well, the fact that we can...

01:18:34.000 Here it is.

01:18:34.000 Give me some volume.

01:18:39.000 What's the matter?

01:18:41.000 I'll put it in.

01:18:43.000 Little one, don't forget my son.

01:18:56.000 The Roots are good, man.

01:18:57.000 They are a great band. 0.99

01:19:01.000 Jimmy Fallon is such a silly guy too. 0.98

01:19:09.000 We were having some fun. 0.99

01:19:10.000 Definitely having some fun there. 0.99

01:19:12.000 Well, that's also a cool thing to see from a fucking hard band, too. 0.78

01:19:18.000 I mean, you guys don't necessarily take... 0.95

01:19:21.000 I mean, you obviously take yourself seriously.

01:19:23.000 You're obviously serious about what you do, but you don't take yourself too seriously.

01:19:27.000 Well, we're serious about...

01:19:29.000 Your art.

01:19:29.000 Our art.

01:19:30.000 When we write a song, we're serious about this.

01:19:34.000 But when we go out, when we play live, I mean, we're...

01:19:37.000 We're not the best musicians separately, I would say.

01:19:42.000 And someone might disagree, but when you put us together, something happens, and we create something really cool.

01:19:49.000 There's an energy.

01:19:51.000 And I think back from the very beginning...

01:19:56.000 Like, when someone fucked up the song, we just stopped. 0.86

01:20:00.000 It's like, oh man, let's try it again.

01:20:02.000 We can do this better, you know?

01:20:05.000 And people say, what the...

01:20:06.000 You're not supposed to do that.

01:20:08.000 Dude, they're not very professional.

01:20:10.000 It's like, yeah, but that's what happened.

01:20:12.000 I mean, we're honest.

01:20:13.000 We want to do it better, and we know we can, so we're going to stop it and do it again, you know? 0.75

01:20:18.000 Or, I mean, just like the other day, I had like this friggin' brain fart on stage where...

01:20:26.000 We're up there, and they play the intro to One, which is like this army hit. 0.55

01:20:31.000 You know, all the war going on, and then I start this thing, and I started the wrong song.

01:20:37.000 I started Fade to Black instead of a different song.

01:20:40.000 I'm standing there going, um...

01:20:43.000 What do I do now? 0.96

01:20:45.000 And like this wave of shame comes over you like, you're a bad man.

01:20:50.000 And I'm looking over my roadie and they're going, not that song.

01:20:54.000 And I look at it and it's like, okay, I'll stop it.

01:20:57.000 And then I went to the other song and then I'm able later to go up and say, hey, want to hear Fated Black again?

01:21:05.000 You gotta joke about it or else you...

01:21:07.000 It's like you become...

01:21:10.000 It's like you gotta expose your vulnerable parts.

01:21:13.000 People...

01:21:15.000 People will make fun of that, and they'll take advantage of it sometimes, but most of the times, people will relate to it, like, ah, he's human. 1.00

01:21:24.000 He fucked up. 0.99

01:21:25.000 Okay, you know? 1.00

01:21:26.000 So trusting that there's more lifeguards than sharks out there most of the time, you know?

01:21:32.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:21:32.000 I think also people differentiate the big difference between a mistake and someone who's careless or doesn't give a fuck. 0.98

01:21:40.000 Very true. 0.98

01:21:41.000 Very true.

01:21:42.000 And that's just, you guys are obviously very serious about what you do, but everybody occasionally has a brain fart.

01:21:47.000 There's just no getting around it. 0.80

01:21:49.000 I've been in the middle of a UFC broadcast, and I fucking forget someone's name. 0.56

01:21:53.000 And I've called their fights a hundred times, and I can't remember why I can't remember their name. 0.88

01:21:58.000 And then, for whatever reason, I have to look down at my notes, and there it is, and I'm just angry at myself.

01:22:02.000 But just, sometimes it just doesn't work.

01:22:04.000 And there's no rhyme or reason to why your brain doesn't work right sometimes.

01:22:07.000 So you're tough on yourself?

01:22:09.000 Oh yeah.

01:22:10.000 I'm horrible at myself.

01:22:12.000 You say things to yourself that you wouldn't even say to your worst enemy.

01:22:17.000 There's no words.

01:22:19.000 It's just feelings. 1.00

01:22:22.000 You asshole. 1.00

01:22:23.000 You suck. 1.00

01:22:24.000 I can have a show where I kill, but I fuck up one word and one joke and that's all I can think of. 1.00

01:22:30.000 There's no way... 0.99

01:22:31.000 If you care about what you do, that's just part of the program.

01:22:34.000 Absolutely.

01:22:35.000 And there's a healthy part to that.

01:22:37.000 And then moving on from it, it's easier now than it used to be.

01:22:43.000 It would live in me for a while.

01:22:44.000 Like, oh, dude, you forgot the words to that song.

01:22:47.000 And then it becomes a mental block. 1.00

01:22:49.000 You get up there and you go, oh, shit, like a kicker or something. 0.99

01:22:54.000 A guy going to kick a field goal is like, oh, I missed that one. 1.00

01:22:56.000 I can't believe I did.

01:22:57.000 Then the next one, oh, my God, now it's a thing.

01:23:00.000 Yeah.

01:23:02.000 You can see that with fighters.

01:23:04.000 When fighters lose a fight and then they come back, and then you can see the discomfort.

01:23:10.000 You can see the confusion and the fear.

01:23:14.000 I think psychological issues are some of the hardest issues that people ever overcome.

01:23:19.000 It's just literally like a pattern of thought in your mind.

01:23:22.000 But if you just decide that you're not as good as you used to be, you can manifest that.

01:23:27.000 Even though physically you can do all the same things.

01:23:30.000 It is so crazy.

01:23:31.000 The power of thought, the power of my mind, it's pretty dangerous at times. 0.98

01:23:37.000 And being creative, I make up all kinds of crap, you know? 0.99

01:23:43.000 Like, oh, Lars is doing that just to fuck with me. 1.00

01:23:45.000 I know it. 1.00

01:23:46.000 And then you talk with him later, it's like, what are you talking about?

01:23:49.000 He has no idea what you're saying.

01:23:51.000 Yeah, that's pretty, it's a curse and a gift, that creativity, you know?

01:23:56.000 How hard was it for you to get sober?

01:24:01.000 Fear was a big motivator in that for me.

01:24:06.000 Losing my family, that was the thing that scared me so much, that was the bottom I hit, that my family's gonna go away because of my behaviors that I brought home from the road.

01:24:19.000 I got kicked out of the house by my wife.

01:24:22.000 I was living on my own somewhere.

01:24:25.000 I did not want that.

01:24:27.000 Maybe as part of my upbringing, you know, my family kind of disintegrated when I was a kid.

01:24:33.000 You know, father left, mother passed away, had to live with my brother, and then kind of just all...

01:24:39.000 Like the family, you know, where'd my stuff go?

01:24:41.000 It just kind of floated away.

01:24:44.000 And I do not want that happening, you know?

01:24:46.000 No matter what's going on, we're going to talk this stuff out and make it work, you know?

01:24:50.000 And my wife's of the same idea, same thought, that...

01:24:55.000 You know, her family, she was the invisible kid too, you know?

01:24:59.000 So we relate a lot.

01:25:00.000 So there's no way we're gonna let, you know, any argument get in the way or just, you know, we're survivors.

01:25:07.000 We're survivors and we're gonna talk through it no matter how much.

01:25:11.000 And, you know, she did the right thing. 0.99

01:25:14.000 She kicked my ass right the hell out of the house, you know? 1.00

01:25:17.000 And that scared the shit out of me. 1.00

01:25:22.000 And she said, hey, you're not just going to the therapist now. 0.84

01:25:25.000 You're not just talking about this. 0.99

01:25:26.000 You've got to go somewhere and sort this shit out. 0.99

01:25:29.000 So that's what I did. 0.99

01:25:31.000 Rehab really worked for me.

01:25:34.000 How long did you have to go for?

01:25:37.000 Well, what worked for me was seven weeks someplace.

01:25:44.000 Like, basically tearing you down to bones.

01:25:50.000 Ripping your life apart, anything you thought about yourself or what it was, anything you thought you had, your family, your career, your anything, gone.

01:26:00.000 Strip you down to just, okay, you're born.

01:26:04.000 Here's how you were when you were born.

01:26:05.000 You were okay.

01:26:06.000 You're a good person.

01:26:08.000 Let's get back to that again.

01:26:10.000 And then they slowly rebuild you.

01:26:12.000 And then I went to another, they call them aftercare places.

01:26:17.000 I went there to a couple different ones.

01:26:19.000 And they fine-tune stuff and get you integrated back into life.

01:26:24.000 Because when you're in this cocoon, you're friggin' raw.

01:26:27.000 I mean, I was raw meat when I came out. 0.95

01:26:29.000 And you can see it in that some kind of monster movie.

01:26:32.000 I was pretty raw still.

01:26:34.000 I didn't know what I could or what I should or shouldn't do, you know?

01:26:39.000 So the last place we went to was a place that helps relationships.

01:26:44.000 So they got me and my wife together and we'd see people separately and then come together and talk about what we did and communication friggin saved my life, saved our family and working through that stuff.

01:27:00.000 So Very grateful for my wife. 0.99

01:27:03.000 She's the one that didn't ask for this shit. 0.99

01:27:06.000 She walked through fire with me and we walked out together stronger, way stronger than we ever would have been before. 1.00

01:27:15.000 And you know, my kids know my story.

01:27:17.000 My kids know my struggles and they respect that.

01:27:22.000 They respect me in a different way.

01:27:26.000 We're good to go.

01:27:45.000 By some miracle, they are goofing with me. 0.99

01:27:48.000 It's like, Dad, shut up. 0.98

01:27:50.000 I'm like, come on. 0.99

01:27:52.000 You're overblowing this.

01:27:54.000 Dad, you're taking up way too much space here, okay?

01:27:58.000 So they help me, and I realize that there is help in a loving way.

01:28:03.000 How long have you been sober now?

01:28:05.000 15. 15 years.

01:28:07.000 Did it start out when you first started doing it?

01:28:10.000 Did it feel like as you broke through and you went to therapy and you got out of rehab and you're going through this whole thing, was there a shaky leg period where you're like, man, do I know who I am anymore?

01:28:24.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:28:25.000 That was it.

01:28:25.000 That was...

01:28:27.000 That is, you know, the power of the mind.

01:28:30.000 Here's how my life works.

01:28:32.000 And to actually just completely throw that away and start over...

01:28:37.000 It's like, well, wait a minute.

01:28:38.000 Who am I without this?

01:28:41.000 I can't talk to people.

01:28:43.000 I'm anxious.

01:28:43.000 I'm shy.

01:28:44.000 I'm all of the stuff that I thought booze was helping me with.

01:28:50.000 Booze, drugs, women, shopping, eating, gambling. 1.00

01:28:57.000 There's so many things that can manifest out there.

01:29:02.000 It all goes back to one core thing.

01:29:05.000 It's like, I don't really know who I am.

01:29:08.000 So, it took years and years and years to figure out, okay, I like that.

01:29:13.000 That's part of me.

01:29:14.000 And this is part of me. 0.97

01:29:15.000 The anger, the quirkiness, the dork part of me. 0.85

01:29:20.000 All these little things that make me... 0.91

01:29:22.000 I gotta hug him.

01:29:23.000 I gotta accept him, you know, and quit running from him and pretending like I am some immovable object on stage that's tough and, you know, nothing can do, you know, nothing can hurt me.

01:29:35.000 But inside, you know, it's kind of a cliche saying, you know, the harder that external shield, the softer the inside and the more vulnerable and balancing that, you know.

01:29:49.000 Almost like you're concentrating so much on the hard outside that you ignore the inside.

01:29:52.000 Totally.

01:29:53.000 Totally.

01:29:53.000 And then forget what I really want.

01:29:55.000 And then you lose yourself in that other person.

01:29:58.000 And yeah, being in a band certainly accelerated that.

01:30:04.000 You know, there was drink and drug and all kinds of stuff just thrown at you all the time, and it starts off as a fun little thing, and then it turns into an escape, and then all of a sudden you don't remember why you're out there doing stuff.

01:30:18.000 I went on tour just so I could go to the strip club.

01:30:21.000 Hey, we're going to this place, you know, or we're going to drink here, and, you know, knew all that stuff.

01:30:26.000 But the actual playing on stage, it kind of got...

01:30:33.000 We get caught up in the rock star stuff.

01:30:35.000 There's a song on this album called Moth Into Flame that directly talks about how fame can be this crazy drug and it can completely take you over if you let it.

01:30:49.000 You're searching for that thing that's going to save you and it's you.

01:30:53.000 It's in you.

01:30:54.000 It's already there.

01:30:55.000 You just got to find it and accept it.

01:30:59.000 Well, you're a very down-to-earth guy, which is very unusual for someone who's as famous as you are.

01:31:05.000 And that's one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you about this is because it seems like right now you're you.

01:31:10.000 You can be you.

01:31:12.000 But it seems like for someone who's as famous as that, who gets on stage and thousands of people just... 0.98

01:31:23.000 Going fucking crazy and you're up there. 0.98

01:31:25.000 I mean that has got to be intoxicating and confusing and oftentimes I feel like people are a prisoner to whatever image that either they projected initially or it becomes how the public perceives them because of all their success and because of the fact they go on stage and a hundred thousand people go fucking apeshit. 0.98

01:31:48.000 What What is that like trying to find yourself while you're also... 0.60

01:31:56.000 I'm kind of worshipped.

01:31:57.000 Right.

01:31:58.000 Well, Joe, you hit it.

01:32:00.000 I mean, the transitions from road to home are always somewhat difficult.

01:32:06.000 It's like there's a PTSD that goes along with it, you know?

01:32:10.000 You are, like you said, worshipped.

01:32:13.000 There's a lot of, you know, where do I get my validation, really?

01:32:17.000 That's where I have to step back and say, okay, am I who these people...

01:32:24.000 Say I am or think I am.

01:32:26.000 They have their own vision or version of me, just like I had my own version of Lemmy.

01:32:31.000 You know, there's this thing that it was strong.

01:32:33.000 And, you know, these people expect me to be a certain way.

01:32:37.000 And when they meet you in normal life, you're sitting with your family eating or you're frigging in the supermarket, you know, throwing salad on some guy, you're...

01:32:49.000 People want you to do the thing you do.

01:32:51.000 Hey, headbang, jump up on the salad bar and rock out or something. 0.82

01:32:54.000 Dude, music does that to me.

01:32:58.000 Playing music with these guys does that to me.

01:33:02.000 But when I'm not doing that, I'm just a dude, you know?

01:33:06.000 And they don't want that.

01:33:07.000 It hurts them.

01:33:08.000 It scares them.

01:33:10.000 Like, wait a minute.

01:33:12.000 Um...

01:33:13.000 I need you to be this certain way.

01:33:14.000 It makes me feel secure.

01:33:16.000 So when you're not that, you know, I don't want to sign stuff.

01:33:20.000 I don't want to take pictures, selfies with people.

01:33:22.000 I want to shake your hand and I want to talk with you.

01:33:25.000 I want to, hey, who are you?

01:33:27.000 What do you do?

01:33:28.000 Here's what I do.

01:33:29.000 You know, people think they know me because of the music and all the interviews and all the stuff.

01:33:34.000 I get that.

01:33:36.000 But I don't know you.

01:33:37.000 So when you come up and say, you know, I want to know you.

01:33:42.000 Because we're at a disadvantage here.

01:33:44.000 But if you get swamped by people and they all want to take pictures, how do you handle that?

01:33:48.000 Oh, I got to leave.

01:33:50.000 I mean... 0.96

01:33:51.000 There's an anger part of me that I still wrestle with, and things get stupid, and it's like it's a fight or flight thing, man. 0.98

01:34:02.000 It's like I'm being attacked. 0.98

01:34:04.000 Wait a minute.

01:34:04.000 You just get overwhelmed by all the people?

01:34:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:07.000 It's just so weird.

01:34:09.000 It's so weird.

01:34:10.000 We played in front of half a million people.

01:34:13.000 Half a million people?

01:34:14.000 Yeah.

01:34:15.000 Where was that?

01:34:15.000 This was in Russia.

01:34:16.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:34:18.000 This was in the airfield. 1.00

01:34:19.000 Oh my god.

01:34:20.000 So we've done that. 0.99

01:34:21.000 What the fuck was that like? 0.99

01:34:24.000 It was a sea of Russian people. 1.00

01:34:27.000 I mean, that's what it was.

01:34:28.000 That's insane to even see that many people.

01:34:31.000 This was in 1991. 1991 when the curtain came down and all of that, and Time Warner...

01:34:40.000 They wanted to basically get their foot in the door, and so they created a free concert.

01:34:46.000 It was ACDC, us, Pantera, and I think maybe a local band or some other bands.

01:34:55.000 I'm sorry if I can't remember, but they flew us in there.

01:34:58.000 We landed in this airfield.

01:35:00.000 Oh, Motley Crue was on it.

01:35:03.000 Landed in this airfield, and as far as I could see, it was a free concert, and it was just people.

01:35:10.000 And we get on stage and do what we do, but it was military.

01:35:16.000 You know, military in the front.

01:35:18.000 Jesus Christ, look at that photo! 1.00

01:35:20.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:35:22.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:35:23.000 Jamie, go full screen with that. 1.00

01:35:26.000 Just go with that one. 1.00

01:35:28.000 What in the fuck? 1.00

01:35:29.000 Oh my god, that's insane! 1.00

01:35:32.000 Is that it?

01:35:33.000 Is that the one?

01:35:34.000 That might be something else, but...

01:35:37.000 It looks a little newer, but it says here it's from 91 Moscow.

01:35:39.000 Wow.

01:35:41.000 Yeah, pretty remarkable.

01:35:43.000 And there were...

01:35:43.000 Dude, imagine a sea of people like that.

01:35:45.000 And see, there's a helicopter.

01:35:47.000 Helicopter flying over people.

01:35:49.000 Oh my god.

01:35:50.000 What if that thing goes down, man?

01:35:53.000 They could be chopping up all kinds of folks.

01:35:55.000 Look at that photo...

01:35:56.000 Go right up there at that one, on stage, facing those people. 0.99

01:35:59.000 Oh my god, that is fucking insane! 0.97

01:36:03.000 And that helicopter would come down close, and they were yelling at people, like, stop! 0.99

01:36:08.000 You know, people were moshing or going crazy.

01:36:10.000 They didn't know what that was.

01:36:12.000 Oh, wow.

01:36:13.000 They thought it was like a fight. 1.00

01:36:14.000 They're a freaking communist country, man. 0.99

01:36:16.000 And they're like, wait a minute. 0.99

01:36:17.000 People are getting out of order.

01:36:18.000 This is chaos!

01:36:19.000 They didn't have the internet then either.

01:36:20.000 No way.

01:36:21.000 They didn't know what to expect of that.

01:36:23.000 So they're people throwing, you know, hitting people from the helicopter.

01:36:27.000 And down in the front there, there were guys in uniforms.

01:36:31.000 You know, there was police, military, same thing, you know.

01:36:35.000 So they're standing there in their uniforms.

01:36:36.000 And after like three or four songs, they're like... 1.00

01:36:39.000 Fuck this! 0.99

01:36:40.000 And they took off their stuff, and they're out there headbanging and having a good time. 1.00

01:36:44.000 So we saw the transformation of a closed-down society to freedom right before us, individually, in people.

01:36:56.000 It was awesome.

01:36:58.000 Wow.

01:36:59.000 What does it feel like to stand in front of 500,000 people?

01:37:04.000 What is the sound like?

01:37:06.000 What is the sound of their roars like?

01:37:09.000 Pretty massive, obviously.

01:37:12.000 I lost count at, I don't know, 300-something thousand.

01:37:16.000 But I tell you, and they don't speak your language. 1.00

01:37:19.000 That's just such a...

01:37:22.000 That's the power of music, man.

01:37:23.000 That's a language in its own.

01:37:25.000 It connects people.

01:37:26.000 It is so cool.

01:37:27.000 So, yeah, we went to a place that no one spoke English or people were telling us, you know, I learned English from your lyrics. 0.99

01:37:35.000 Like, oh shit, man. 0.98

01:37:37.000 I failed English, just so you know. 0.98

01:37:39.000 I didn't do so well in school, but it's pretty bizarre.

01:37:43.000 That's intense.

01:37:44.000 That is intense.

01:37:46.000 That's an experience that...

01:37:49.000 Almost no one's prepared for, I don't think.

01:37:51.000 I don't think there's a single human being that can do that and not be somewhat affected by it, or at least need a lot of decompression, a lot of downtime to sort that out, which, hence Vale.

01:38:04.000 Yeah, it's like, you go out into the mountains... 0.98

01:38:08.000 Nature doesn't give a shit who you are. 1.00

01:38:10.000 Mother Nature will kick your ass, you know, and leave you frozen and, you know, lost. 1.00

01:38:17.000 When did you start hunting? 1.00

01:38:20.000 Well, I think it started out, my dad was a hunter.

01:38:22.000 I remember him, you know, skinning deers in the garage in Southern California here.

01:38:30.000 Skeet shooting. 0.65

01:38:31.000 Probably started with that.

01:38:33.000 Skeet and trap.

01:38:34.000 And then went duck hunting with my buddy up in Calusa and San Francisco area.

01:38:41.000 And then, hey, we're going on a pig hunt.

01:38:43.000 Let's go.

01:38:44.000 So slowly the animal got bigger and bigger.

01:38:49.000 Really enjoyed it.

01:38:51.000 Enjoyed the guy hang.

01:38:55.000 Just get away and just get scared together.

01:39:00.000 The guy hang is a big part of it.

01:39:01.000 It's awesome.

01:39:02.000 It is so cool.

01:39:04.000 Making fun of each other.

01:39:07.000 All the stuff that you don't get to do.

01:39:10.000 You just go and hang.

01:39:13.000 I like getting scared. 0.79

01:39:15.000 I like getting scared out there.

01:39:16.000 It's like, wait a minute.

01:39:20.000 I got this 60-pound backpack on, and I just came from sea level, and I'm up here at 11,000 feet, and I don't feel very good, guys.

01:39:33.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:39:35.000 How the fuck am I going to get off this mountain? 0.98

01:39:38.000 I can't do it. 0.99

01:39:40.000 They're like, yeah, you can.

01:39:41.000 Come on.

01:39:42.000 And we'll carry you off if that's what it takes.

01:39:45.000 Like, okay.

01:39:46.000 Yeah, but the truck is, you know, it's like a three-hour hike to the spike camp.

01:39:52.000 And then another two hours to the base camp, you know.

01:39:55.000 You can do it.

01:39:56.000 And stuff like that, you know, pushing you to limits that you didn't know you could go to.

01:40:02.000 Yeah, I saw you had a guitar that had a Kuyu camo on it.

01:40:05.000 I'm like, oh, this dude's deep.

01:40:07.000 It's awesome.

01:40:08.000 You're deep.

01:40:08.000 Dude, I love the Kuyu stuff.

01:40:10.000 Yeah, I got turned on to it by those guys.

01:40:13.000 Yeah, you know, it can get pretty cold and scary up there, and it's fun.

01:40:18.000 Well, Kuyu represents to me this really interesting sort of integration of technology and almost like gadget geek mindset applied to hunting to make the very best stuff.

01:40:32.000 So as soon as I saw that you got a Kuyu pattern on your guitar, I'm like, oh, he's in deep.

01:40:38.000 Yeah, we contacted him.

01:40:40.000 It's like, hey, can we borrow your pattern? 0.76

01:40:43.000 That's pretty fucking cool.

01:40:44.000 Yeah, I love it.

01:40:45.000 How often do you get out?

01:40:47.000 Well, yeah, you know, at least probably, you know, a couple weeks every year is what I get to do.

01:40:53.000 And obviously, if it's, you know, elk season in Colorado, and then there's deer season in California and turkey season, so...

01:41:02.000 So do you get to hunt near Vale, where you live?

01:41:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:41:05.000 A lot of elk up there, man.

01:41:06.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:07.000 Colorado has twice as many elk as any other state in the country.

01:41:10.000 It is amazing.

01:41:11.000 And, you know, from the house or dropping the kids off at school, just drive up the road a little bit and be spotting, you know.

01:41:19.000 Hey, there's some elk up there.

01:41:21.000 And, you know, where the kids go to school, there's a sheep herd, you know, just up in the mountains.

01:41:26.000 Wow.

01:41:26.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:27.000 It'll take me about 45 years to draw that tag, but might as well start.

01:41:33.000 Yeah, get those points up.

01:41:34.000 Absolutely.

01:41:35.000 Yeah, so that's another good reason to live in Colorado, right?

01:41:39.000 Absolutely.

01:41:39.000 You're out there near, I mean, mule deer, whitetails.

01:41:42.000 I mean, that's a pretty game-rich state.

01:41:44.000 Yeah, the elk.

01:41:45.000 You know, I like the venison, but elk, that's probably the thing I would eat nonstop.

01:41:52.000 Yeah, people who have never tried it before, really, I mean, you can get it in a restaurant, but you're getting it from New Zealand, and it's not going to be as fresh, and it's not the same, but it's an unbelievable meat.

01:42:02.000 Well, pulling it out of your freezer and making it there for your kids, I mean, there's nothing more organic than that.

01:42:09.000 Especially when you know specifically where it came from.

01:42:12.000 You were there.

01:42:13.000 Yeah. 0.93

01:42:13.000 This is not mixed up with some other crap from some other farm or something. 0.93

01:42:17.000 This is it. 0.97

01:42:18.000 This has been cut and prepared for you. 1.00

01:42:20.000 So I see that massive, thick bastard out in your entryway. 0.99

01:42:23.000 Yeah, that was my latest one. 0.99

01:42:25.000 Dude, that is something.

01:42:26.000 That's a big boy.

01:42:26.000 Where is that?

01:42:27.000 That's from Tahome Ranch.

01:42:29.000 I should have let you guess.

01:42:30.000 No, I was going to guess New Mexico.

01:42:32.000 No, that's from here, California.

01:42:34.000 Tejon Ranch, they put Rocky Mountain Elk in Tejon Ranch in the 1950s.

01:42:38.000 And because California, it's about a half hour outside of Bakersfield, so it's sort of like mid-California.

01:42:44.000 And because of that, it's not cold.

01:42:46.000 They get snow up there, but not enough snow where the elk have to struggle for food.

01:42:50.000 So they eat a lot.

01:42:52.000 A lot of mountain lions up there, though.

01:42:54.000 Dude, that's a massively thick mountain lion.

01:42:58.000 It's a big animal, yeah.

01:42:59.000 He was huge.

01:43:00.000 He was like a thousand pounds. 0.99

01:43:01.000 It's a big ass elk. 0.99

01:43:03.000 Bow? 0.98

01:43:04.000 That one was a rifle.

01:43:05.000 Yeah. 0.67

01:43:06.000 I've shot one there last year with a bow.

01:43:08.000 This year I went with a bow.

01:43:10.000 We unsuccessfully hunted for five days and pulled out a rifle and got it done in an hour.

01:43:16.000 Yeah.

01:43:17.000 I go back and forth with the bow.

01:43:19.000 Do you?

01:43:20.000 It's not cheating.

01:43:21.000 I mean, it's hunting, but if you want meat, it's the best way to go.

01:43:25.000 I'm a meat hunter, and that's the way to do it, you know?

01:43:28.000 How often do you bow hunt?

01:43:32.000 Uh...

01:43:33.000 I do it on my ranch at home in California.

01:43:37.000 It's just tough.

01:43:38.000 It's tough with the blacktail.

01:43:40.000 You know, you gotta...

01:43:41.000 Blacktail's a fairly small deer, too.

01:43:43.000 Yeah.

01:43:44.000 It's pretty tough.

01:43:45.000 I just like pulling it.

01:43:46.000 I like, you know, target practicing and stuff.

01:43:49.000 You know, I have gone bow hunting.

01:43:50.000 I'm taking a pretty nice elk with it.

01:43:53.000 When it's the rut, I mean, that...

01:43:54.000 Yeah.

01:43:54.000 It's so amazing.

01:43:56.000 And it scares the shit out of you when they're screaming. 0.55

01:43:58.000 They're screaming.

01:43:58.000 Yeah!

01:43:59.000 A friggin' frothed beast coming running down at you, ready to kick your ass or fuck you, yeah. 1.00

01:44:06.000 Okay! 1.00

01:44:08.000 Yeah, it's a pretty intense moment.

01:44:11.000 Right.

01:44:11.000 Um...

01:44:13.000 But I've missed some stuff so much, and I just, you know, I'd rather use...

01:44:17.000 I want to get the animal down and done.

01:44:20.000 Yeah.

01:44:21.000 Well, rifle's definitely the best way to do that.

01:44:24.000 But bow hunting requires so much more discipline.

01:44:27.000 It's just a constant pursuit.

01:44:28.000 But for me, it's a great meditation, just the practice of archery, not even just bow hunting.

01:44:33.000 I'm a big fan of just...

01:44:34.000 I love to do it.

01:44:35.000 Like, I'll leave here, I'll go home, I'll shoot 100 arrows.

01:44:37.000 Cool. 0.69

01:44:38.000 You know, just to clean my head out.

01:44:40.000 It's a good way to just, because you can't think about anything else other than that target in order to do it right, especially when you're shooting it like 70 yards or something long.

01:44:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:44:49.000 So, what bow you got?

01:44:52.000 I saw you got a...

01:44:53.000 I use a Hoyt.

01:44:54.000 Hoyt, yeah.

01:44:54.000 Yeah, I have a Hoyt Pro Defiant.

01:44:56.000 It's the newest model. 0.99

01:44:57.000 Just a fucking awesome bow. 0.98

01:44:59.000 This is the coolest thing about bows is that, unlike rifles, I mean, rifles, the technology is at such a high level, but... 0.98

01:45:06.000 I have a rifle from three years ago that's awesome.

01:45:08.000 It's just as good.

01:45:09.000 But a bow from three years ago, well, it's like a little behind the times.

01:45:12.000 So true.

01:45:13.000 You've got some new technology.

01:45:14.000 You could still use it. 0.97

01:45:15.000 You could still kill something with it.

01:45:16.000 But the newest stuff, the technology and bows, they essentially innovate every year.

01:45:22.000 I agree, yeah.

01:45:23.000 And, yeah, I had a Matthews from, you know, three years ago, and I went in to get it tuned up, and the guy says, oh my god!

01:45:33.000 It's like, you know, a computer.

01:45:35.000 That's a few years old?

01:45:36.000 Wow, it's, dude.

01:45:38.000 If you want to get hooked up with Hoyt, I'll have one sent to you.

01:45:42.000 Okay.

01:45:43.000 I'll hook it up.

01:45:44.000 Let's do it.

01:45:44.000 I got a Matthews that I really love, and who knows, next year, like you said, the technology, just the way they pull, the way they balance, and all that stuff that, like you said, with a gun...

01:45:55.000 You know, guns have come a lot of ways, a long ways too.

01:45:59.000 I got this awesome fierce gun that, you know, carbon fiber barrel and it's super lightweight for packing in, you know, it's down to like six pounds, you know, with the scope on it.

01:46:08.000 So, yeah, lightweight, good.

01:46:11.000 Yeah, if you're going sheep hunting or something like that, you're going way up into the mountains.

01:46:15.000 I know guys who cut the bottom off of their toothbrush in order to save weight.

01:46:19.000 I mean, literally.

01:46:21.000 They do everything they can.

01:46:23.000 They cut every ounce.

01:46:24.000 What do you think I'll bring a toothbrush for?

01:46:26.000 They're going to brush your teeth up in the mountain.

01:46:27.000 You don't brush your teeth?

01:46:28.000 No way. 1.00

01:46:29.000 They're going to smell your stinky ass fucking breath before anything. 1.00

01:46:32.000 That's probably the first thing they smell. 1.00

01:46:34.000 That's why I'm unsuccessful.

01:46:36.000 I know guys who actually eat, like, they'll take pine leaves and chew them up inside their mouth just so that their breath doesn't come off as some meat-eating monster predator to a deer or an elk.

01:46:47.000 Interesting.

01:46:47.000 Yeah.

01:46:48.000 All right.

01:46:48.000 Because I think that's probably, like, one of our big smells is the breath.

01:46:51.000 Right.

01:46:51.000 You know, B.O. and then your breath.

01:46:54.000 A lot of people's breath smells worse than their B.O., right?

01:46:57.000 You gotta think.

01:46:58.000 Especially old guy. 0.67

01:47:00.000 Yeah.

01:47:00.000 Old guy.

01:47:01.000 Rotten insides.

01:47:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:47:03.000 All that fucking funk. 1.00

01:47:05.000 So you spray up, you do all that stuff, and get... 0.99

01:47:07.000 I don't spray up, no.

01:47:10.000 I've used ozonics, you know, those ozone things in a tree stand.

01:47:14.000 I've used that, where they blow ozone on you, and it confuses the scent.

01:47:18.000 That actually works.

01:47:19.000 It's very bizarre. 0.97

01:47:20.000 It has to be directly on you, and the ozone somehow attaches itself to your scent molecules, and then when the deer gets it, he's like, what in the fuck is this? 0.94

01:47:36.000 Right. 0.95

01:47:36.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:47:37.000 Wow.

01:47:37.000 Well, I guess that'd be, you could see the results of it if you're in the same spot year after year or something.

01:47:42.000 But I'd never know if that stuff works, you know, because we're traveling, doing different stuff, different places all the time.

01:47:48.000 Yeah.

01:47:48.000 Well, most of the hunts I go on are spot and stalk, so that's not really, it doesn't really apply.

01:47:53.000 Right.

01:47:54.000 In that sense, when you're doing something spot and stalk, you just have to play the wind. 1.00

01:47:58.000 If your wind is going towards them, you're fucked. 0.99

01:48:00.000 That's what they're designed for. 1.00

01:48:02.000 I mean, they can smell things.

01:48:03.000 The way I describe it to people is like, you know how you could smell a skunk if it got killed like five blocks away?

01:48:09.000 That's how a deer can smell.

01:48:10.000 That's how an elk can smell. 0.93

01:48:12.000 They can smell you like a skunk. 1.00

01:48:14.000 They're like, fuck, let's get out of here. 1.00

01:48:16.000 They smell skunk, they bolt. 1.00

01:48:19.000 I've seen them smell you from a hundred, two hundred yards out and they just catch your wind like boing, boing, fuck this. 1.00

01:48:26.000 Just bound away. 1.00

01:48:28.000 So brush your teeth.

01:48:29.000 Yeah, you gotta brush your teeth, bro.

01:48:31.000 Thanks for the tip.

01:48:32.000 Probably a good idea.

01:48:34.000 53, I gotta tell you to brush your teeth. 0.84

01:48:37.000 It's hard to tell a rock star to do anything.

01:48:40.000 Yeah, I mean, that's one of the things that some people like about hunting is that you don't have to wash. 0.99

01:48:44.000 You just go out there and wear the same goddamn clothes for five, six days in a row. 0.97

01:48:48.000 Yeah, and that doesn't send off a signal? 0.99

01:48:49.000 Oh, it certainly will.

01:48:51.000 But if you're wearing merino wool, especially like base layers, it actually absorbs most of the smell.

01:48:57.000 So you think the baby wipes do good or bad? 1.00

01:49:00.000 Well, baby wipes, it's probably better not to smell like shit, especially human shit. 1.00

01:49:05.000 You don't want to smell like a fake cleaning product either. 1.00

01:49:09.000 Maybe the fake cleaning product won't.

01:49:11.000 I think anything odd to a deer is probably not good, but I think there's probably specific predator smells that we, you know, unless you're like a strict vegetarian who also hunts.

01:49:23.000 I would imagine you probably smell like a killer.

01:49:27.000 I don't know what they're smelling.

01:49:29.000 I would like to know if they could tap into the mind of a deer when it smells a person.

01:49:34.000 What alarms go off?

01:49:35.000 That would be bizarre.

01:49:37.000 Like the red flag and the cape on the bull.

01:49:40.000 It's not really red.

01:49:42.000 It's just something's moving.

01:49:44.000 What do they see?

01:49:45.000 What do they hear?

01:49:45.000 What do they smell?

01:49:47.000 Yeah, I guess once we figure that out, then it's really on. 0.99

01:49:51.000 How much shit did you have to deal with when there was the blowback from the Hunt show? 0.98

01:49:57.000 You know, I wanted to get into voiceovers, so I took the gig. 0.99

01:50:04.000 You have a great voice for it.

01:50:05.000 I didn't even know it was your voice while you were doing it.

01:50:08.000 It was kind of interesting.

01:50:10.000 You know, you did it in a very professional manner, but it's a controversial show because it was grizzly bear hunting.

01:50:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:20.000 Well, you know, I took the gig.

01:50:23.000 I wanted to get into voiceover stuff, so that was offered to me.

01:50:28.000 Yeah, I probably could have had a choice whether I did it or not, but that's what that was.

01:50:35.000 I think the main head-butting happened when I did that show and then we went to go do Glastonbury, which is like the ultimate celebration of English hippiedom.

01:50:50.000 And they somehow caught wind that I'd been, you know, Oh, he's a hunter.

01:50:57.000 And he did this show.

01:50:59.000 And it was like, boycott Metallica.

01:51:02.000 Don't play the show.

01:51:03.000 We don't want that.

01:51:04.000 And wow. 0.93

01:51:07.000 So what we did was we made this silly video. 0.67

01:51:13.000 There's always something going on in England where there's something.

01:51:18.000 There's a controversy that's going to happen with the show.

01:51:22.000 You know, so when an artist shows up, they do something.

01:51:26.000 They want something special.

01:51:27.000 That's what they want.

01:51:28.000 So the fact that I was, you know, I did this bear hunting show, and so we made this movie about...

01:51:36.000 It was a guy in England, put this movie together, that...

01:51:43.000 We're good to go.

01:51:57.000 And they come to a spot, and they start getting shot at, and it's these bears come out of the woods, and they've shot the hunters, and they become the hunter, and the crowd loved it, you know?

01:52:11.000 They, oh yeah, right, you know?

01:52:13.000 Arm the bears, you know? 0.83

01:52:16.000 So it kind of just instantly diffused all that bullshit, and, you know, when you're able to, like, We said earlier, make fun of yourself and make fun of controversy. 0.70

01:52:26.000 Then it kind of goes away.

01:52:28.000 And then you just get on, you know, get back to business, you know?

01:52:33.000 Was it frustrating when they were distributing that picture that wasn't even you?

01:52:36.000 There was a photo of some guy that looked kind of like you in front of this giant brown bear. 0.80

01:52:42.000 Well, that to me just told me about them that they're ignorant and that it's not even me.

01:52:48.000 So, you know, there are people out there that just want to throw the fuel on the fire and make it crazier and get upset about stuff. 0.71

01:52:57.000 And, you know, I got no control over that, man.

01:53:03.000 Once it's out there, I don't want to spend all my time justifying what I do or don't do, and it's not even something that I did.

01:53:13.000 So, yeah, it's a waste of time.

01:53:16.000 Do you bear hunt at all?

01:53:17.000 I did.

01:53:18.000 I did.

01:53:19.000 But now I wear clothes.

01:53:21.000 Do you hunt bear? 1.00

01:53:24.000 That was really stupid, man. 1.00

01:53:25.000 Sorry. 1.00

01:53:26.000 I like stupid jokes casually. 1.00

01:53:29.000 Do you hunt bear? 1.00

01:53:31.000 I did.

01:53:32.000 I went to Russia.

01:53:33.000 Went to Kamchatka and hunt bear.

01:53:38.000 Yeah.

01:53:38.000 It was a crazy, crazy adventure.

01:53:41.000 Was it brown bear or what do they have up there?

01:53:44.000 Yeah, it was brown bear.

01:53:44.000 Did you eat any of it?

01:53:46.000 No.

01:53:46.000 No, I did not.

01:53:47.000 And that's one regret I have.

01:53:49.000 And I mean, getting the meat, I mean, for some reason they didn't allow you to bring meat from Russia into America.

01:53:57.000 But we did have meat there.

01:53:59.000 They had meat from other bears.

01:54:02.000 And so that's how we sustained ourselves out in the middle of the Kamchatka.

01:54:07.000 What does brown bear taste like?

01:54:10.000 You know, bear doesn't taste great to me.

01:54:12.000 It's super fatty, for sure.

01:54:14.000 This was less fatty because it was, you know, spring bear, and then, you know, they were out, you know, they just come out of hibernation, so it's not my favorite thing, so I probably wouldn't hunt it again, because I do like to eat what I harvest,

01:54:32.000 so...

01:54:33.000 It wasn't great, but we had Lynx.

01:54:35.000 We had all kinds of different stuff there that they, you know, they were out in the middle of nowhere.

01:54:39.000 You ate Lynx?

01:54:39.000 Yeah.

01:54:39.000 What does that taste like?

01:54:41.000 Tastes like chicken, you know?

01:54:43.000 Everything tastes like chicken.

01:54:45.000 You know, it depends on how you cook it.

01:54:47.000 I mean, it's meat.

01:54:48.000 I mean, it tastes like meat.

01:54:50.000 And we were in this little hut that was super short because, you know, it's really, really cold out there and there was like about eight feet of snow.

01:55:00.000 And, yeah, you're in this little hut that's really short to keep warm, you know?

01:55:05.000 And the hunter, the guides out there, they had AK-47s, you know, It was pretty scary.

01:55:13.000 We took a military helicopter.

01:55:15.000 We probably flew two hours in this thing that looked like it survived World War I. Well, it wasn't around World War I, but survived World War II. And it was exhaust down the side and no seats.

01:55:28.000 And we're sitting on the metal floor.

01:55:30.000 And we get dropped off in the middle of this nowhere place.

01:55:33.000 And these guys have snowmobiles.

01:55:36.000 And you can't get around because the snow is so thick.

01:55:39.000 You need a snowmobile.

01:55:41.000 And the guides show up and they're, you know, here's Russians with AK-47s. 0.99

01:55:46.000 We're Americans.

01:55:47.000 Hi!

01:55:48.000 You know?

01:55:49.000 Hey.

01:55:50.000 How common is it that they have these hunts out there?

01:55:53.000 So they knew what they were doing.

01:55:54.000 This is a normal thing they do.

01:55:56.000 It was set up.

01:55:57.000 You know, it was like, you know, through the safari club, you know?

01:56:02.000 And it was just one of those crazy things.

01:56:05.000 It's like, hey, I'm going to try this and get scared.

01:56:08.000 And I was.

01:56:10.000 Wow.

01:56:10.000 Listen, man, you've got to get out of here because I know you're supposed to leave it, too.

01:56:14.000 It's a couple minutes later than that.

01:56:15.000 So thanks for doing this, man.

01:56:17.000 I really appreciate it.

01:56:18.000 It was great meeting you.

01:56:19.000 It was great talking to you, and it was just an awesome conversation.

01:56:22.000 Well, likewise, brother.

01:56:24.000 I appreciate you, and keep doing what you're doing, man.

01:56:27.000 I will.

01:56:27.000 You, too.

01:56:28.000 All right.

01:56:29.000 See you, folks.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 16, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #887 - James Hetfield

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