The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #907 - Mike Baker

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00:00:06.000 Mike Baker, ladies and gentlemen.

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00:00:08.000 How are you, sir?

00:00:09.000 I'm doing good, thank you.

00:00:10.000 I'm doing well.

00:00:10.000 You know, it seems like the year's going well so far.

00:00:14.000 Not much to report.

00:00:16.000 Hey, is that sarcasm?

00:00:17.000 Are you guys allowed to use that?

00:00:18.000 I know, I know.

00:00:19.000 We're supposed to have that removed when we join.

00:00:22.000 But yeah, no, it's going good.

00:00:24.000 Going good, thank you.

00:00:24.000 Family's great.

00:00:25.000 Beautiful.

00:00:26.000 Kids are doing very well.

00:00:27.000 Business is going very well.

00:00:28.000 I know everybody was most concerned about my family and my kids, you know?

00:00:31.000 Absolutely.

00:00:31.000 That's how people like to start off a podcast.

00:00:33.000 Well, we just want to hear you're having a good time up there in God's country.

00:00:36.000 Yeah, Idaho.

00:00:37.000 Beautiful place.

00:00:38.000 We were just talking about how awesome it is up there.

00:00:40.000 Yeah, and we're getting a lot of snow.

00:00:41.000 I mean, you guys are getting a ton of snow up in the north particular here in California, but we're getting just hammered with snow.

00:00:47.000 Yeah, they got like five feet up in Big Bear.

00:00:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:49.000 Big Bear apparently just got covered in snow, which is awesome.

00:00:52.000 We had like 330 inches of snow.

00:00:54.000 We've got a place about two hours outside of Boise, up in the mountains, where we go skiing and fishing.

00:01:01.000 Not at the same time.

00:01:03.000 That'd be a hell of a sport.

00:01:05.000 Someone's probably done that.

00:01:06.000 I do know that guys are cross-country skiing into hunting spots now.

00:01:11.000 Yeah.

00:01:12.000 That's a thing that guys are doing.

00:01:13.000 There's actually these foldable skis and you strap these things on and they can stuff in your pack when you're done and apparently it's way better than snowshoes.

00:01:21.000 So when guys are trying to traverse like really fresh snow, no path, thick stuff, They're doing cross-country skiing.

00:01:28.000 I mean, that's tough.

00:01:29.000 That's tough work, but it's not as tough as snowshoeing.

00:01:32.000 Snowshoeing is a grind for any distance.

00:01:35.000 Right.

00:01:35.000 But, yeah, you know what?

00:01:37.000 You do see.

00:01:37.000 I mean, we were skiing fresh tracks off the backside of one of the mountains that we'd ski.

00:01:44.000 It was two weeks ago.

00:01:45.000 And, you know, the snow was falling.

00:01:47.000 There was no wind.

00:01:48.000 It was just beautiful.

00:01:50.000 There was nobody.

00:01:50.000 I think we saw two other skiers the whole time that we were out.

00:01:55.000 And you stop constantly and just stare and look around and you think, how beautiful this is.

00:02:01.000 And then I do what everybody does.

00:02:02.000 I take out my phone because I'm going to capture the moment on my phone camera.

00:02:07.000 And somehow get the grandeur of this scene on my iPhone.

00:02:11.000 And I always do the same thing. 1.00

00:02:12.000 I go back to the, you know, I sit in the cabin and I look and I go, oh, that's a stupid photo. 0.99

00:02:16.000 It just looks like white. 0.99

00:02:18.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:18.000 Is that you?

00:02:19.000 That's the picture you took?

00:02:20.000 That's one of them, yeah.

00:02:21.000 It's pretty goddamn beautiful still.

00:02:23.000 Yeah. 0.86

00:02:23.000 Pretty beautiful. 0.86

00:02:24.000 I have some buddies that live up in Ketchum.

00:02:26.000 They run First Light.

00:02:28.000 My friend Ryan Callahan, shout out to Ryan Callahan.

00:02:30.000 He runs First Light.

00:02:32.000 It's a hunting clothing company.

00:02:34.000 And they're up in Ketchum and he's always just raving about it.

00:02:37.000 Yeah, Ketchum's great.

00:02:38.000 That's where Sun Valley is.

00:02:39.000 And it gets more crowded up there, you know, but it's...

00:02:43.000 It's kind of like a high-end...

00:02:45.000 It's a great town.

00:02:46.000 It is a high-end, yeah.

00:02:47.000 Fancy pants.

00:02:48.000 Yeah, I mean, if you look at Idaho, there's two blue spots in Idaho.

00:02:53.000 One is Boise, a very Democrat, you know, heavy city.

00:02:56.000 And the other is Ketchum in that particular county because of Sun Valley being there.

00:03:01.000 And so we get a lot of wealthy folks.

00:03:04.000 But it's a beautiful town.

00:03:04.000 It's a great community.

00:03:06.000 It's a year-round community.

00:03:07.000 But there's some other towns.

00:03:09.000 There's a place up there in Idaho called McCall, which, again, is a couple hours outside of Boise up in the mountains.

00:03:14.000 And it's a real town, right?

00:03:15.000 I mean, there's nothing fancy about it.

00:03:17.000 But it's a great place.

00:03:18.000 It sits right on this beautiful lake, Payette Lake.

00:03:21.000 And, you know, fishing's fantastic.

00:03:23.000 And then the skiing is great there in the winter.

00:03:25.000 It's, you know, I sound like I'm on the Chamber of Commerce.

00:03:27.000 Well, listen, man, we were saying right before people from Idaho don't like to talk about how beautiful Idaho is because they're trying to keep people out.

00:03:33.000 I know.

00:03:34.000 I know.

00:03:34.000 I shouldn't do that.

00:03:35.000 I have some friends that have a house on Coeur d'Alene and they send me pictures and you just go, holy shit. 0.99

00:03:40.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:03:40.000 You get to look at that? 0.97

00:03:41.000 Like, they're on this lake and it's about 100 feet deep and you could see the ground like it's glass.

00:03:47.000 You see the bottom of that lake.

00:03:48.000 You could see the logs that are down there, the sticks.

00:03:51.000 I'm like, that is crazy.

00:03:52.000 It's crystal clear.

00:03:53.000 Wildlife up there is fantastic.

00:03:55.000 Yeah, it is.

00:03:56.000 And there's places like that all around the state.

00:03:58.000 And the nice thing about Idaho is, I mean, again, everybody says, we turn into the PBS Idaho Hour.

00:04:03.000 It's a great place.

00:04:04.000 It gives you a different look everywhere you go.

00:04:07.000 Eastern Idaho, West, up North.

00:04:09.000 So there's a lot going for it.

00:04:11.000 The hunting's great.

00:04:12.000 The fishing's fantastic.

00:04:13.000 Fly fishing's amazing.

00:04:15.000 Whitewater.

00:04:16.000 Whitewater's going to be insane this year because of the snow.

00:04:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:18.000 It's a great place to be.

00:04:20.000 The climbing is good.

00:04:21.000 And a giant chunk of that is public land, folks.

00:04:24.000 That's your land.

00:04:26.000 And this is something that I put on my Instagram yesterday and the day before as well because there's a bill that got introduced that's being proposed to sell off public lands.

00:04:37.000 And there's this one representative.

00:04:40.000 What's that fellow's name?

00:04:41.000 Jason Chavitz.

00:04:42.000 Jason Chavitz from Utah.

00:04:45.000 He introduces Bill, how dare you, Jason, to try to sell it.

00:04:49.000 Look, he's a young fellow. 0.99

00:04:50.000 He doesn't fucking know what he's doing. 0.99

00:04:51.000 He looks like he's in his 30s. 0.99

00:04:53.000 Just, people don't realize how lucky we have it to have so much of this country, public land like that, where you can, and it's not just hunting, folks.

00:05:00.000 You know, people say, oh, you care about hunting.

00:05:02.000 No, listen to me.

00:05:03.000 You could hike this.

00:05:04.000 You could fish.

00:05:05.000 You can camp.

00:05:06.000 You could just go lie down and stare at the stars.

00:05:08.000 It's your land.

00:05:09.000 This is all ours.

00:05:11.000 And it's unprecedented in this world.

00:05:13.000 There's no other country that has anything remotely like our public land system.

00:05:17.000 We can't let them give it away.

00:05:19.000 We can't let them sell it. 0.97

00:05:20.000 And if anybody wants to, like, you know, give a kick in the ass to hunting, I don't understand that either, because you know what? 0.88

00:05:26.000 A lot of the land is maintained by hunting, you know, both in the fees and also just the, you know... 0.94

00:05:32.000 Hunting itself is doing a great service.

00:05:35.000 So I don't quite get that.

00:05:37.000 I mean, I understand, I suppose, under the motive level.

00:05:39.000 How could you kill that thing? 0.95

00:05:41.000 Because he's tasty. 0.99

00:05:43.000 Because I like to eat.

00:05:44.000 Well, I get it.

00:05:45.000 It's a kind way to think.

00:05:47.000 Go to the RMEF website.

00:05:48.000 You want to see money for conservation for hunting.

00:05:51.000 You want to see some staggering numbers.

00:05:53.000 The Twitter page, Rocky Mountain Elk Federation, RMEF, and they post these charts that show the billions and billions of dollars that go towards conservation every year, all because of people who fish and hunt.

00:06:06.000 The numbers are staggering.

00:06:08.000 You go to Cabela's, and you know, I always wondered about this.

00:06:11.000 You go to Cabela's, you buy something at Cabela's, or Bass Pro, wherever you got in your local area, And, you know, routinely they're saying, well, would you like to donate a dollar to, you know, conservation fund?

00:06:21.000 Would you like to donate a dollar to, you know, of course you would.

00:06:24.000 Plus the percentage of your sale goes directly to it anyway.

00:06:27.000 If you buy hunting equipment, a certain percentage, I forget what the number is, but it's a good healthy percentage that turns out to be millions and millions of dollars every year.

00:06:34.000 There we go.

00:06:35.000 Just Minnesota, look at this.

00:06:36.000 More people hunt or fish in Minnesota, 1.65 million, than double the combined populations of Minneapolis, St. Paul, Rochester, and Duluth.

00:06:46.000 And $3.17 billion is the amount spent by 1,649,000 hunters and anglers in a single year in Minnesota.

00:06:54.000 That's an incredibly large part of the economy, folks. 0.79

00:06:57.000 And a giant chunk of that goes to preserving wildlife habitat, to preserving wetlands, to making sure that animal populations are kept healthy, to make sure that predator populations are kept in balance, and that ranchers aren't impeded upon by mountain lions and wolves and shit like that.

00:07:14.000 It's an incredible number. 0.65

00:07:15.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:07:16.000 That's just for Minnesota, right?

00:07:18.000 Yeah, just Minnesota.

00:07:19.000 You know, and then you think of the other states all combining together, you know, it's the reason why we have more white-tailed deer in America today than when Columbus landed.

00:07:28.000 That's a fact.

00:07:30.000 Look at this, Michigan.

00:07:32.000 $576 million in state and local tax revenue.

00:07:34.000 Enough to support the average salaries of nearly 11,000 police and sheriff's officers. 0.94

00:07:39.000 It's pretty fucking incredible. 0.88

00:07:40.000 And by the way, I didn't know we could still mention Columbus. 0.95

00:07:41.000 I didn't know that was allowed anymore.

00:07:42.000 It's allowed.

00:07:43.000 It's allowed.

00:07:44.000 We can still talk about Columbus.

00:07:45.000 Yeah, we can still talk about him.

00:07:45.000 It's kind of crazy, Columbus Day, when you find out what a savage he was.

00:07:50.000 Yeah.

00:07:50.000 What a terrible person Columbus was.

00:07:52.000 Yay, Columbus Day!

00:07:54.000 What?

00:07:54.000 Do we have any stevia, Jeremy?

00:07:56.000 This tastes like shit. 1.00

00:07:57.000 Not any out there? 1.00

00:07:58.000 This together.

00:07:59.000 I'm not a fan of this the way it is with the butter.

00:08:01.000 I like that emulsified MCT oil, but I don't want to get blended into the...

00:08:05.000 It's just I'm expecting the other kind of coffee and it comes out like this.

00:08:08.000 I'm like, what is this?

00:08:09.000 It's alright.

00:08:10.000 It's alright.

00:08:10.000 It's not the best.

00:08:11.000 I like it.

00:08:12.000 What do I know?

00:08:12.000 I'm going back to the old way.

00:08:14.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:08:15.000 What do you think?

00:08:16.000 I think it's okay.

00:08:16.000 Tastes pretty good.

00:08:17.000 Just a little different taste.

00:08:18.000 It's got a sweeter something in it.

00:08:20.000 Maybe we need less of it or something. 1.00

00:08:22.000 Maybe I'm just a bitch. 1.00

00:08:23.000 How much do you drink a day? 1.00

00:08:24.000 Coffee?

00:08:25.000 I don't even count it.

00:08:27.000 I just keep going.

00:08:28.000 I really don't.

00:08:29.000 I used to.

00:08:30.000 I used to worry about it.

00:08:31.000 I said, man, maybe I should back up off the coffee.

00:08:33.000 But coffee's an excellent source of antioxidants.

00:08:36.000 You're not dehydrated if you're drinking plenty of water on top of that.

00:08:40.000 I always drink water with it.

00:08:41.000 I don't see any negative effects when I go get my health stuff done and get blood work done. 0.94

00:08:47.000 So I don't fucking back off it at all.

00:08:49.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:08:49.000 But sometimes I do get a little too jazzed up. 0.96

00:08:51.000 There's this company that we have that sponsored us, my friend's company, Caveman Coffee.

00:08:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:56.000 And they make these nitros.

00:08:58.000 They're these little tiny things.

00:08:59.000 They're nitrogenated coffee that's 270 milligrams of caffeine in one little can. 0.99

00:09:04.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:09:05.000 Get Mr. Baker a nitro. 1.00

00:09:08.000 Show him all these things.

00:09:09.000 I got a busy day tomorrow.

00:09:11.000 They'll pop that in the morning first thing. 1.00

00:09:12.000 These little fuckers. 1.00

00:09:13.000 I take these before I lift weights and I want to throw things through the fucking walls. 1.00

00:09:17.000 And I do! 0.99

00:09:18.000 That's so good.

00:09:19.000 It's so good.

00:09:20.000 That little tiny thing is 270 milligrams of caffeine, and it's nitrogenated, which I don't know why that's good.

00:09:26.000 Well, you know, I'm going to start.

00:09:28.000 Seriously, I got an early call in the morning.

00:09:31.000 I got an early start.

00:09:32.000 Got a lot of activity going on.

00:09:33.000 I'm just going to pop this in the morning and see how it feels.

00:09:34.000 Take that with you.

00:09:35.000 We'll give you a few of them.

00:09:36.000 Yeah.

00:09:36.000 See what you can do.

00:09:37.000 I'll give them to the team.

00:09:38.000 Yeah, that'll be good.

00:09:41.000 If you like the taste of actual coffee, it's really good coffee.

00:09:45.000 There's a whole story behind the company, but it's this one farm in Columbia, single source, single family.

00:09:50.000 It is Columbia, right?

00:09:53.000 I have too much information in my brain.

00:09:55.000 Even things that I know for a fact, I'll say them, and I'll go, are you sure?

00:09:59.000 Like, right away, I question myself.

00:10:01.000 I think I've got to erase some of my data.

00:10:04.000 I've done that.

00:10:05.000 I've pared it down.

00:10:06.000 I'm streamlining now.

00:10:08.000 I'm simplifying.

00:10:08.000 I'm thinking of starting a spar again.

00:10:10.000 Maybe just do a little kickboxing sparring, just trim down some of my memories.

00:10:15.000 This is...

00:10:16.000 A few too many in there.

00:10:18.000 I might have to take a couple of jabs.

00:10:19.000 Two of my boys.

00:10:20.000 Actually, all three of them now.

00:10:21.000 What am I saying?

00:10:22.000 All three of them.

00:10:23.000 My kids, Scooter and Sluggo and Muggsy are 975. Those are hilarious names. 1.00

00:10:29.000 And they're hilarious kids.

00:10:31.000 Former CIA operatives kids.

00:10:32.000 Well, they're like the Three Stooges.

00:10:35.000 But they're in Taekwondo now.

00:10:38.000 We looked around, we checked out a few places, and we found this one that we really like.

00:10:42.000 And also, to be fair...

00:10:43.000 Part of it is just timing.

00:10:45.000 Their structure and their classwork, their timing works well with other things the kids are doing.

00:10:50.000 But they're in there.

00:10:51.000 How old are they?

00:10:51.000 And they're not 9, 7, and 5. That's a good age to start Taekwondo because then you'll learn the dexterity and the flexibility and stuff like that.

00:10:58.000 And then if they really get serious about martial arts, you can transition them to something like jujitsu or kickboxing or something like that.

00:11:04.000 I think the middle one will stick with it.

00:11:08.000 He is supremely focused.

00:11:09.000 The older one does very well, but he's got a variety of other interests, right?

00:11:13.000 And right now he's focused on other sports, lacrosse and basketball.

00:11:16.000 But that middle one...

00:11:18.000 You can just kind of watch him and see.

00:11:20.000 It's like everything else.

00:11:21.000 Your kids spark on different things, and he seems to have really sparked on this.

00:11:26.000 The youngest one, the five-year-old, he does great, but he's kind of sparked on candy bars and things.

00:11:31.000 He's like that.

00:11:32.000 Yeah, that's one of the fascinating things about having kids is to realize there's only so much that you do to shape their personality.

00:11:38.000 They come out of the box unique in a weird way.

00:11:42.000 Like, I have two daughters that are young.

00:11:43.000 I have six and an eight.

00:11:44.000 And they are so different.

00:11:46.000 I mean, so different.

00:11:47.000 The six-year-old thinks farts are hilarious.

00:11:51.000 And they are.

00:11:51.000 She's so funny.

00:11:52.000 But she'll say, can I tell you something?

00:11:54.000 Can I tell you something? 0.97

00:11:55.000 And she'll just fart on you. 1.00

00:11:57.000 And then she'll fall to the ground laughing. 1.00

00:12:00.000 She's got to meet my five-year-old.

00:12:01.000 Those two will get along like a house on fire.

00:12:03.000 Everybody gets mad at her.

00:12:04.000 You just can't do that.

00:12:05.000 You just can't be farting.

00:12:06.000 And I'm laughing.

00:12:07.000 They're like, don't laugh at her.

00:12:08.000 I'm like, that is hilarious.

00:12:10.000 She just farted on you. 1.00

00:12:11.000 What's the eight-year-old?

00:12:11.000 Eight-year-old's more of a girly girl?

00:12:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:13.000 Much more of a girly girl.

00:12:14.000 The six-year-old's a savage. 0.97

00:12:16.000 She's like a little gorilla. 1.00

00:12:17.000 She's really hilarious. 0.66

00:12:19.000 She's very, very funny.

00:12:20.000 Yeah.

00:12:21.000 Well, my three just spend it. 0.89

00:12:22.000 They spend all their time, like every other kid, right, but boys in particular, they spend all their time beating the shit out of each other. 0.98

00:12:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:28.000 And so we thought, you know what, we've been looking for a while to find the right place for them to channel that physical side of things.

00:12:33.000 And now it's good, because now they focus on...

00:12:36.000 That's great.

00:12:37.000 If they're going to hurt each other, they're going to hurt each other in the proper way, I suppose.

00:12:40.000 Yeah, get some sparring in.

00:12:42.000 That's one of the good things about jiu-jitsu.

00:12:44.000 We had talked about getting your kids into jiu-jitsu.

00:12:46.000 The good thing about jiu-jitsu is you can go full blast.

00:12:48.000 The thing about kicking each other in the head is, boy, you could really only do that a couple of times.

00:12:53.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:12:54.000 You're just not the same person anymore.

00:12:57.000 That's reality. 0.99

00:12:58.000 My kids are allowed to kick me and punch me full blast. 0.98

00:13:01.000 As long as they tell me they're going to do it.

00:13:03.000 So I let them throw full power leg kicks because I'm trying to teach them how to really sink the shin into the meat. 0.92

00:13:09.000 So my daughter will throw a left hook to the body, right leg kick combination. 1.00

00:13:13.000 She's like, I'm going to do it right now.

00:13:14.000 I go, okay, go ahead.

00:13:15.000 It's like, boom!

00:13:17.000 It's getting harder, man.

00:13:18.000 As you get 8 and 10, around like 12, I'm going to have to tell them to stop.

00:13:22.000 Okay, that's enough now.

00:13:22.000 Daddy's going to have to pad up.

00:13:24.000 I'm going to put a chest pad on.

00:13:25.000 But that's the difference between boys and girls.

00:13:26.000 Girls, you can say, you're going to have to tell me, you can do this, but you have to tell me. 0.91

00:13:29.000 My guys are like, you know, like Kato from, you know, the Pink Panther.

00:13:32.000 I walk in the house and they're like lurking somewhere. 0.98

00:13:35.000 And then their whole goal is to try to punch me in the junk. 0.92

00:13:37.000 And they think that's hilarious. 0.98

00:13:40.000 And they, the, the, uh...

00:13:42.000 The middle one, again, the middle one, Sluggo, he caught me one time when I came in the door, the front door of the house, and I was carrying a bag.

00:13:50.000 I'd just gotten off the plane.

00:13:51.000 I was carrying a bag, and before I could even put the bag down and say hello, and the kids were kind of coming down the stairs, you know, I thought it was just like a Norman Rockwell thing, you know, they're going to come hug their dad and adore me a little bit, you know, and daddy's home.

00:14:02.000 And Sluggo comes around the corner out of nowhere and says, Dad, and just punches me square in the nuts.

00:14:07.000 Ha ha! 0.86

00:14:08.000 And it was so hard that I literally...

00:14:10.000 Because you know what happens.

00:14:11.000 I mean, you know, you just drop.

00:14:13.000 And I dropped.

00:14:14.000 And he and the other two stand there and laugh in my face like maniacs.

00:14:19.000 And I thought, what the...

00:14:20.000 And my wife is coming around the corner and she looks. 0.99

00:14:22.000 She goes, what the hell happened?

00:14:23.000 I said...

00:14:24.000 How old was he?

00:14:26.000 At that time, he was six.

00:14:27.000 That's what happens. 1.00

00:14:28.000 You raise a little six-year-old in the mountains, a bunch of wolves and shit. 1.00

00:14:31.000 They just start punching you in the dick as soon as they see you. 1.00

00:14:34.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

00:14:35.000 It's Idaho creating.

00:14:36.000 How y'all doing?

00:14:37.000 A bunch of animals out there.

00:14:39.000 So, what's your take on this Trump versus the intelligence community jazz that seems to be going on right now?

00:14:49.000 Because...

00:14:50.000 I couldn't wait to get you in here to get an insider's perspective on this, because I've never seen anything like it.

00:14:56.000 I mean, I've never seen anything like it. 0.99

00:14:58.000 He was talking shit about flu shots today. 0.99

00:15:02.000 He's like, flu shots are the biggest scam ever. 1.00

00:15:04.000 Like, are you sure?

00:15:06.000 Have you done research?

00:15:06.000 Are you a doctor?

00:15:08.000 Wow.

00:15:09.000 Yeah, I know that whole...

00:15:10.000 And he's kind of appointed...

00:15:11.000 Not appointed, but he's brought somebody in as an advisor on that who is, you know, against vaccinations, whatever that term is.

00:15:17.000 And the intel thing...

00:15:22.000 There's so many ways you can take this.

00:15:24.000 Basically, it was a self-inflicted wound.

00:15:26.000 It was unnecessary.

00:15:27.000 There was no reason for him, in the early stage of this, when that narrative started to build about, oh, there's this rift building between Trump and the intel community, it was because of his tweets, right?

00:15:37.000 And it was because of him questioning the intelligence about Russian meddling in our election system. 0.99

00:15:45.000 Now, to talk about that just for a second, Of course the fucking Russians were meddling. 0.99

00:15:52.000 The Russians have been meddling in U.S. politics and campaigning over here in a way since they've been around. 0.99

00:15:59.000 As have the Chinese. 0.97

00:16:00.000 As have the Chinese. 0.97

00:16:00.000 You could go back to, and people said this was a fascinating period of time in history, back to like 1941. Go back to when the Russians were still in an alliance and a pact with the Nazis. 0.97

00:16:12.000 And so from the Russian perspective, their goal, their point was to keep the U.S. out of the war.

00:16:19.000 And so what did they do?

00:16:20.000 There's an isolationist wing in the States, and Roosevelt was under a lot of pressure.

00:16:24.000 Roosevelt was becoming very close to Churchill.

00:16:27.000 He understood the threat.

00:16:28.000 He was one of the few people that did at the time.

00:16:30.000 He understood how important it was going to be for America to get into this battle.

00:16:34.000 The UK was about ready to fall, and so the British were actually running their intelligence operations out of New York.

00:16:41.000 They had a place over in Rockefeller Center, because they were worried.

00:16:45.000 The island was going to be run over by the Nazis.

00:16:49.000 You have this going on.

00:16:50.000 The dynamic with the Russians was that they were still in this pact, you know, with the Nazis.

00:16:54.000 Stalin didn't see this coming.

00:16:55.000 He didn't see that, you know, and the Nazis were running a very large propaganda campaign, a diversion effort to ensure that the Russians wouldn't know that they were about to invade.

00:17:03.000 So the Russians spent a great deal of time and money and resource here in the U.S. influencing U.S. public opinion about staying out of the war.

00:17:12.000 There's no reason to be in the war.

00:17:13.000 Why would you want to get into another war in Europe?

00:17:15.000 And they bought journalists and placed newspaper articles.

00:17:19.000 They paid off journalists.

00:17:20.000 They were setting up associations that were supposedly independent but were run by the Soviets.

00:17:27.000 They were influencing unions, dumping money into unions and bribing basically to get them to steer their membership to isolationist agenda.

00:17:37.000 So to say that, oh, I don't know if the Russians were meddling, of course they've been doing it.

00:17:40.000 And then all the way through the Cold War, you know, this is what they do.

00:17:44.000 So, you know, but the narrative, because it always has to be simplified, I think as far as the media is concerned, the narrative was that they influenced the election.

00:17:54.000 Well, no, they were meddling, but they weren't hacking into election systems.

00:17:59.000 They weren't hacking into voting booths and changing these things.

00:18:03.000 So when you say meddling, what they were doing is essentially they were getting information that was private, that was being distributed between the Democratic conventions.

00:18:12.000 Right.

00:18:12.000 They were definitely involved in the DNC hacking, for instance.

00:18:16.000 They were definitely involved in...

00:18:17.000 So how were they involved?

00:18:18.000 Were they involved in whether they directly did the hacking to the Democrats, or were they privy to the information because someone sold it to them or got it to them?

00:18:27.000 As with most of these things, usually there's cutouts, right?

00:18:29.000 So there's plausible deniability.

00:18:35.000 But the Russians have been very adept over the years at creating mayhem, creating chaos around democratic institutions. 1.00

00:18:49.000 Their whole goal I think we're good to go.

00:19:00.000 I think we're good to go.

00:19:10.000 Again, a self-inflicted wound.

00:19:11.000 He hadn't gotten the full briefings yet.

00:19:14.000 He hadn't seen the intelligence about this.

00:19:18.000 And prior to that then, he's sending out a handful of tweets saying, I don't know, I questioned it.

00:19:22.000 It didn't make any sense.

00:19:23.000 You have all the opportunity in the world to question the intelligence.

00:19:27.000 And the time to do that, you know, you're sitting there, you're getting the briefings from the heads of the agencies, which happened.

00:19:32.000 And then if you notice, after that briefing, His tone changed completely.

00:19:39.000 And he came out and, you know, okay, well, the Russians were involved, right?

00:19:45.000 And it didn't make any – now he had to walk that back.

00:19:48.000 So then he goes out to the agency and he has a meeting, which I think was a great thing.

00:19:51.000 I was really happy to see that he did that.

00:19:53.000 And so soon in the administration, he goes out to our headquarters out.

00:19:56.000 Out there in Virginia.

00:19:59.000 And, you know, he got sidetracked, but that's his personality.

00:20:03.000 He starts talking about, you know, the inauguration numbers.

00:20:06.000 He starts talking about the media, you know, the unfair media.

00:20:09.000 Well, you know what?

00:20:10.000 You could just go out there, thank the people, say you're looking forward to working with them to protect national security interests, shake some hands and leave.

00:20:17.000 But it's not in his nature, right?

00:20:18.000 So he's going to get sidetracked and he's going to talk about other things.

00:20:20.000 And then that becomes the story.

00:20:23.000 You know, not other things that he's doing.

00:20:25.000 He's talking about spending more resource on human intelligence, right?

00:20:31.000 And that's something that gets talked about and is done in cycles.

00:20:35.000 So after 9-11, what happened?

00:20:37.000 Well, suddenly George Tenet, the director at the time, was instructed, you've got to get more officers.

00:20:42.000 You've got to get more cadre.

00:20:43.000 We've got to recruit people.

00:20:44.000 We can't just rely on signals and intercepts and, you know, technology.

00:20:48.000 So that happens over a period of time.

00:20:50.000 He's talking about revamping the DNI, or maybe, you know, taking it apart.

00:20:55.000 Well, that's been talked about for many years.

00:20:58.000 The DNI was put together after 9-11, and, you know, it's a big layer of bureaucracy, frankly.

00:21:04.000 So, some of the things he's talking about...

00:21:05.000 What does that stand for?

00:21:06.000 DNI? Director of National Intelligence.

00:21:09.000 James Clapper was the previous guy going in there, running that.

00:21:13.000 It's going to be interesting because the DNI was no...

00:21:16.000 from Mike Flynn, who's now the national security guy, he had a rocky relationship with the DNI. He feels like they basically pushed him out of his last position in the intel community.

00:21:26.000 So it'll be interesting to see how he deals with this issue of, do we restructure?

00:21:30.000 But I guess my point being is that...

00:21:33.000 I don't really have a dog in the hunt.

00:21:35.000 You know, was Trump my preferred candidate?

00:21:37.000 Well, no, but now he's the president.

00:21:38.000 And from my point of view, now you want it to work.

00:21:42.000 Now you do everything possible.

00:21:43.000 But just like with anybody else, you look for the good and you say that's great.

00:21:47.000 And if something you don't agree with, well, then you can say that, too.

00:21:50.000 We got that right in this country.

00:21:52.000 You know, we don't have to agree with every single thing that any president.

00:21:56.000 We can disagree with the policies, but we don't have to, you know, slag people off.

00:22:00.000 And if I veer off and say, well, I don't think President Trump should have veered off and talked about inauguration numbers in the media when he was standing there in our lobby in front of the stars on the wall, you know, I get a couple hundred tweets, you know, 1.00

00:22:15.000 saying, you know, you're a fucking idiot. 1.00

00:22:17.000 You know, how could you say that? 1.00

00:22:18.000 Well, I say it because You know what?

00:22:21.000 How is that somehow insulting?

00:22:23.000 You know, I'm gonna like some of the things that he does.

00:22:25.000 I'm not gonna like some of the things he does.

00:22:27.000 That's the way it works, right?

00:22:29.000 I don't know.

00:22:31.000 I'm veering down a rabbit hole right now, but I think it's because I'm getting pissed off because we seem to have gotten away from the idea that nobody's perfect, right?

00:22:40.000 And everybody that's a dyed-in-the-wool Trump supporter right now, who for the past eight years hated the fact that Obama supporters were adoring of him and said everything he does is brilliant, now some of those folks are doing the same thing with the new president.

00:22:54.000 You know, like I said, I'll be honest with you.

00:22:57.000 I'm happy she didn't win.

00:22:58.000 I'm ecstatic that Hillary Clinton didn't win, frankly.

00:23:03.000 But that doesn't mean that I've got to now stand up and say everything Donald Trump does is great.

00:23:08.000 I wouldn't do that with any president.

00:23:09.000 What was so troubling for you about her?

00:23:13.000 Well, let's see.

00:23:15.000 Where do we begin?

00:23:18.000 I felt like...

00:23:24.000 Obviously I'm trying to pick my words carefully here.

00:23:28.000 Because I'm trying to be diplomatic.

00:23:33.000 I didn't like what I perceived as a lack of character.

00:23:41.000 I didn't like what I perceived as...

00:23:42.000 Again, here's the problem.

00:23:43.000 I didn't like either of the candidates.

00:23:45.000 Neither candidate was my choice.

00:23:47.000 I didn't really have a choice.

00:23:48.000 I didn't have a dog in the hunt.

00:23:51.000 But if I looked at her, I just felt like there wasn't anything there.

00:23:56.000 And I felt like we had the past eight years, I felt like with the previous president, again, I liked some of the things he did.

00:24:03.000 I didn't like some of the stuff that he did.

00:24:05.000 But I was always concerned that he didn't have principles that he stood on.

00:24:11.000 He said, you know what, this is where I draw the line and these are my principles.

00:24:15.000 This is what I believe in.

00:24:17.000 And I felt like she was similar in that way.

00:24:20.000 And I think we've just had enough of sort of that bend in the wind and do whatever we're going to do.

00:24:26.000 This country's lost a lot of leverage overseas.

00:24:28.000 And I know people say, well, that's good.

00:24:30.000 We shouldn't be the police person around the world.

00:24:32.000 You know what? 0.98

00:24:33.000 The fucking truth is somebody's got to be. 0.99

00:24:35.000 And if we're not at the top of the food chain, that's fine. 0.98

00:24:37.000 We can step off because we want to build more roads here, and we want to spend our money here, and I get that, and that's important.

00:24:42.000 But if we're not, if somebody's not at the top of the food chain, somebody else will try, or it'll be chaos, or it's a vacuum.

00:24:48.000 And it's not a community of nations that gathers together and acts in a global community spirit, you know.

00:24:55.000 Our interests don't align very often with other countries.

00:24:58.000 We have certain allies where it does.

00:25:01.000 But no, that's not how it works.

00:25:04.000 It's chaos out there, and it's pretty nasty at times.

00:25:06.000 And so I'm a big believer in, yes, we shouldn't be out there policing everything, but we're going to need to, and we should want to be at the top of the heap.

00:25:14.000 Well, it definitely doesn't seem there's any benevolent superpower that's looking out for the world's best interests outside of us.

00:25:19.000 No.

00:25:19.000 And people raise their eyes.

00:25:21.000 You know, when you say something like that, and I agree with you 100%, people roll their eyes and they go, ah, it's bullshit. 0.99

00:25:27.000 You know, America's out there. 0.99

00:25:28.000 Yeah.

00:25:28.000 Then what?

00:25:29.000 Right.

00:25:30.000 Who are they?

00:25:30.000 Right.

00:25:31.000 Right.

00:25:31.000 And I mean, yeah.

00:25:32.000 And I get those feelings.

00:25:33.000 I understand where those people are coming from.

00:25:35.000 I get this idea of anti-globalization.

00:25:37.000 I get this idea, you know, the whole idea of the military-industrial complex controlling all the resources of the world.

00:25:45.000 I get it.

00:25:46.000 I totally understand.

00:25:47.000 But know this.

00:25:49.000 There are some bad...

00:25:51.000 Countries out there, not bad people, but countries that are run by dictators, countries that are run by extremely ruthless people, and a lot of them have access to some significant military power.

00:26:05.000 Yeah, and you're absolutely right.

00:26:08.000 Of course, we make mistakes.

00:26:10.000 Obviously, we make mistakes.

00:26:11.000 But, you know, I spent almost all my life overseas, and I spent a long time peeking behind the curtain, and we try to self-correct.

00:26:20.000 We may take a wrong turn.

00:26:21.000 We may do something that, you know, okay, okay, fine.

00:26:23.000 That isn't working out.

00:26:24.000 But we tend to try to do things for the right reason, regardless of which administration it is, you know. 1.00

00:26:34.000 Just as a principle, a guiding principle, and maybe people hear that and they think, yeah, what a fucking idiot. 1.00

00:26:40.000 That's not how it works, but that's how it works. 1.00

00:26:43.000 Everybody has to speak according to their own experience.

00:26:45.000 My experience is that. 0.51

00:26:48.000 Most of my childhood and adult life overseas, and I've seen a lot of weird shit, and I've been to a lot of...

00:26:55.000 In difficult places. 0.75

00:26:56.000 And America stands.

00:26:59.000 Again, a few allies.

00:27:01.000 The Brits.

00:27:01.000 I'm partial.

00:27:02.000 I'm a dual citizen.

00:27:04.000 But the Brits are right there with us.

00:27:07.000 Canadians.

00:27:07.000 Who doesn't love the Canadians?

00:27:10.000 New Zealand, Australia, you know, there's a small community there that tries to be principled, tries to do the right thing.

00:27:17.000 Everybody else out there is acting purely in their own best interests.

00:27:21.000 And our interests and theirs almost never align, whether it's Russia or, you know, parts of Europe or, you know, wherever it may be, Latin America.

00:27:30.000 So, yeah, somebody's got to be at the top of the food chain, and I just prefer to be us.

00:27:35.000 You know the I mean there's massive criticism the United States and a lot of them are valid it makes a lot of sense but Human beings are just flawed.

00:27:45.000 This is the most recent country.

00:27:48.000 This is the newest country.

00:27:49.000 And this is the only country that exists like this, this experiment in self-government that exists today.

00:27:55.000 There's nothing like it out there.

00:27:57.000 And the more you look into it, you have a much more intense and deep understanding of it than I ever will because of your experience in life and all the different places that you've been and all the things that you've seen.

00:28:08.000 There's no way, if you look at the rest of the world, there's nothing remotely similar to what's going on over here.

00:28:14.000 This is a crazy place.

00:28:16.000 It's a crazy place as far as innovation, a crazy place as far as creativity and art and film and comedy and music.

00:28:23.000 There's so much bubbling in this one part of the world.

00:28:26.000 And liberties and freedoms and things to do.

00:28:29.000 I mean, great, you know, like the protests on inauguration day.

00:28:32.000 Great, go out and protest. 0.99

00:28:33.000 Now don't fucking go blow up a limo. 1.00

00:28:36.000 Don't throw fucking chairs through Starbucks and shit like that. 1.00

00:28:39.000 They did a lot of stupid shit. 1.00

00:28:40.000 And that's, you know, that's a small, you know, a small group and that's fine and it's gonna happen, I suppose. 1.00

00:28:45.000 But, you know, when they're out there talking about oppression and being oppressed in America, My thought is always the same.

00:28:52.000 I always think, you know what we should do?

00:28:53.000 We should reenact the standard mandatory service.

00:28:56.000 Everybody should have to serve two years, whether it's in the military or some international component where you go overseas and you spend a little bit of time in some shithole, and you see how bad it is and how bad it can be.

00:29:09.000 But all these people that walk around here and talk about it, and I get it, you know...

00:29:13.000 We could do better.

00:29:13.000 Yeah, we could do better.

00:29:14.000 Of course we could do better.

00:29:15.000 And they're right in that sense.

00:29:16.000 Right.

00:29:16.000 They're right in that sense.

00:29:17.000 But we need a balanced perspective.

00:29:19.000 Right.

00:29:20.000 That's it.

00:29:20.000 That's, I guess, what I'm saying.

00:29:21.000 A balanced perspective.

00:29:22.000 How did it happen?

00:29:23.000 Because this is what was confusing to me.

00:29:25.000 How did the FBI, and now eventually the FBI came around to the CIA's conclusions, but for a long time the FBI was disagreeing with the CIA about whether or not the Russians had anything to do with hacking and DNC. Yeah, I think the big disagreement was really over motivation,

00:29:42.000 right?

00:29:42.000 Was that what it was?

00:29:43.000 I thought it was an evidence-based thing, that they didn't see any evidence that the Russians were involved, which eventually became clear.

00:29:49.000 Now there was an arrest.

00:29:50.000 There was an arrest, an unprecedented arrest a couple of days ago, right?

00:29:53.000 Yeah.

00:29:54.000 Well, I think – but you're also talking about two different groups.

00:29:56.000 So the bureau is – the FBI is a law enforcement.

00:29:59.000 So when they look at something, they're looking at it from a law enforcement perspective.

00:30:02.000 They're looking at gathering sufficient evidence to prove a case, basically.

00:30:06.000 That's how they look at it.

00:30:07.000 The agency is an intel operation.

00:30:09.000 And so they're grabbing pieces of information.

00:30:11.000 You know, it's not an evidentiary chain thing.

00:30:13.000 Right.

00:30:14.000 So let's just get, you know, the preponderance of Intel.

00:30:16.000 Let's see where it leads us.

00:30:17.000 Some of it's going to be conflicting.

00:30:18.000 Some of it's not well-sourced.

00:30:20.000 But let's all see what it tells us, you know.

00:30:22.000 And so part of it is how they approach reaching a conclusion.

00:30:27.000 But, you know, they were both going to get to the same place because eventually they sit down and they compare notes.

00:30:35.000 But part of it was the difference of opinion over the motivation.

00:30:39.000 And motivation is the toughest thing, one of the toughest things to prove in this business and intelligence.

00:30:44.000 You know, you can say, okay, they did this.

00:30:46.000 But, you know, unless you've got a source sitting in the tent who was there and part of the conversation when somebody said, well, you know, this is why or, you know, this is how we're going to do this and this is a reason or...

00:30:55.000 Without that sort of sourcing or intercepts, it's tough to prove motivation.

00:31:00.000 So it took a while to kind of get around to that notion.

00:31:03.000 And it's still, to be honest, it's still a little bit up in the air.

00:31:07.000 We're probably never going to get it unless, again, we get our hands on a really quality, good source.

00:31:12.000 That may still be a little bit up in the air.

00:31:13.000 But the bottom line is, yeah, the Russians were engaged in doing what they always do, covert action, propaganda campaigns, whatever it may be.

00:31:21.000 Their 30,000-foot view is always the same.

00:31:24.000 They want to sow a sense of mistrust.

00:31:28.000 They want to create some chaos.

00:31:29.000 They want to chip away at the belief that democracy is a great thing.

00:31:33.000 And they did.

00:31:34.000 Look how much time was spent talking about the integrity of the election system and whether we actually had a legitimate president or not.

00:31:40.000 That's a win.

00:31:41.000 So you've got a couple of colonels in the FSB, which was the old KGB, who undoubtedly have been promoted as a result of that operation.

00:31:49.000 And someone got arrested from the FSB. Who was that guy?

00:31:52.000 Yeah, I don't have those details in front of me.

00:31:54.000 Just some token guy that pissed off Putin?

00:31:58.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:31:59.000 Decided to throw him in the fucking hole for a while? 1.00

00:32:01.000 Yeah, he just said the wrong thing, you know? 1.00

00:32:03.000 That's unprecedented, right?

00:32:05.000 They never publicly arrest their guys like that.

00:32:10.000 They have for certain things, for corruption issues.

00:32:13.000 If they get sideways, you know, from internal arguments, you know, then you'll... 0.98

00:32:17.000 It usually doesn't make the news because nobody really gives a shit outside of Russia. 0.98

00:32:21.000 And they do now because of this. 0.97

00:32:22.000 Because of now, yeah, because people want to talk about it.

00:32:24.000 What bothered me about this was the narrative.

00:32:28.000 Because the narrative was Russia hacked the elections.

00:32:31.000 That's what everybody kept saying, and that's what all these Democrats, these left-wing people, were saying to try to pump up this idea that Trump was not a legitimate president.

00:32:39.000 Russia hacked the election.

00:32:40.000 Russia hacked the election.

00:32:41.000 Well, no.

00:32:43.000 Someone, maybe Russia, whoever it was, put that Information out that the DNC had sent through private emails, but the information was what they sent.

00:32:52.000 They didn't hack anything.

00:32:55.000 They didn't get into any election machines.

00:32:58.000 They didn't get into the voting machines. 0.99

00:33:00.000 They didn't do anything other than release information that was supposed to be private that indicated a bunch of really shady shit. 0.98

00:33:08.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.95

00:33:09.000 I mean, all those Bernie Sanders.

00:33:10.000 How pissed off... 0.99

00:33:11.000 Unless you're a Bernie Sanders supporter and you realize how fucked over he got. 1.00

00:33:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:33:16.000 Well, he seemed to have made peace.

00:33:17.000 I guess he's a politician, even though he says he's not.

00:33:20.000 He's obviously a politician.

00:33:22.000 He's just a weirdly principled one.

00:33:24.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:33:25.000 I mean, you know what?

00:33:26.000 Bernie would have been a better candidate.

00:33:27.000 I think Bernie would have been a better candidate.

00:33:29.000 Joe Biden would have been a better candidate.

00:33:31.000 Although, you know, you always like the person sitting on the bench and then they get in the race and they're not, you know...

00:33:34.000 That's true, too, right? 0.99

00:33:35.000 They might have dug up some shit about both of those guys. 0.98

00:33:38.000 But Bernie was an interesting guy. 0.99

00:33:39.000 There was not a whole lot of people that are in his position for as long as he is that have the kind of principles he has.

00:33:44.000 Like, when he was able to say, you know, why don't you release the transcripts of all these different speeches you gave to all these banks that you got paid a quarter million dollars.

00:33:52.000 And he goes, I'll happily release mine because I don't have any because I wouldn't take a penny from those people.

00:33:57.000 There's not a whole lot of people who can say stuff like that in a big debate.

00:34:00.000 Yeah.

00:34:01.000 And, you know, they rallied, they got together, and they decided to rig the primaries, and they rigged it.

00:34:08.000 They really did.

00:34:09.000 That was what the Russians exposed.

00:34:11.000 Debbie Wasserman Schultz, she was a real piece of work.

00:34:13.000 Incredible!

00:34:14.000 Yeah, so I think there's...

00:34:15.000 And you're right.

00:34:16.000 Now, I guess what, you know, obviously what people on the...

00:34:20.000 Far left side are saying is, well, but without that, if they hadn't released that information, then it would have been a different ballgame. 0.99

00:34:27.000 Right, because we wouldn't know how fucking corrupt she was. 1.00

00:34:30.000 We wouldn't know that Debbie Wasserman Schultz had done what she'd done, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz wouldn't have gotten fired from the DNC and then immediately got hired by Hillary's campaign. 1.00

00:34:37.000 I mean, they picked her up in a couple of minutes.

00:34:40.000 Well, obviously they want to keep her happy.

00:34:42.000 You don't want somebody walking out of that organization with a chip on their shoulder and then talking.

00:34:47.000 Especially after what she did for you.

00:34:50.000 I mean, they rigged the primaries.

00:34:52.000 They really did.

00:34:53.000 And people should be upset about that way more than anything else.

00:34:56.000 This idea that Russia did something.

00:34:57.000 When you expose something that we should have known, we should have known about it because it's a crime.

00:35:03.000 You know, that kind of corruption is essentially collusion.

00:35:05.000 It's a crime.

00:35:06.000 It's a conspiracy.

00:35:07.000 It's a real conspiracy.

00:35:10.000 They're interrupting a democratic process.

00:35:13.000 And that's what they're doing.

00:35:14.000 Right, right.

00:35:15.000 And that was, yeah, far more so than an outside force doing what you expect them to do anyway, frankly.

00:35:22.000 Yeah, what the Russians did, they always do. 1.00

00:35:24.000 Yeah, so I think it would have been a great...

00:35:27.000 How interesting would those conversations, though, in the Kremlin or at FSB headquarters?

00:35:35.000 Where they're talking about this, and they're thinking about it, and they're planning it.

00:35:38.000 Someone had to write a note, right?

00:35:40.000 Someone had to sit and say, you know, I got an idea for an operation.

00:35:42.000 And they had to say, you know, they're a bureaucracy like everything else.

00:35:45.000 And so they would have had to sit and figure this out.

00:35:50.000 It would have made its way to Putin because, you know, this is obviously the concern over the blowback and the publicity of it all.

00:35:56.000 So Putin clearly knew what was going on.

00:35:59.000 But again, that's just the way it works.

00:36:01.000 Stalin knew back in the day, knew exactly what they were doing, trying to influence public opinion here back during the early World War II. Yeah, there's no surprise.

00:36:10.000 The Chinese do the same thing.

00:36:12.000 Every nation has got their resources.

00:36:14.000 I mean, hell, of course we do it, too.

00:36:16.000 People always say, well, but we do it.

00:36:17.000 Well, yeah, of course we do it.

00:36:18.000 I'm not saying we don't.

00:36:19.000 Yeah, they all do it.

00:36:20.000 It's half of the weird competition that's going on.

00:36:23.000 And you better hope we do it, in a sense.

00:36:24.000 I always say the same.

00:36:28.000 Cyber hacking or whatever, people always go, yeah, well, you don't have any right to talk.

00:36:32.000 The U.S. does it as well.

00:36:34.000 Well, yeah.

00:36:35.000 That's actually a good thing, given how aggressive and how nasty the world is out there and how We're constantly being hit and attacked out in cyberspace.

00:36:44.000 I mean, yeah, we better hope we're good at it.

00:36:46.000 And, you know, if people knew how often, how consistently and constantly our commercial and public sector infrastructure is probed and tested and attacked on a daily basis, people wouldn't sleep at night.

00:37:01.000 All they have to do is watch Showtime series, Homeland.

00:37:04.000 It's too super accurate.

00:37:05.000 Yeah.

00:37:06.000 That's it.

00:37:07.000 You ever watch that show?

00:37:08.000 I don't watch a lot of those shows.

00:37:10.000 I'm not a good person to watch shows like that with.

00:37:11.000 My wife tells me that all the time.

00:37:13.000 It's gotta be like me watching those karate movies.

00:37:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:37:17.000 The Karate Kid, of course. 1.00

00:37:18.000 Well, yeah, that's legit as fuck. 0.99

00:37:20.000 But there's some... 0.99

00:37:21.000 Like that movie Warrior.

00:37:23.000 I got mad at that movie Warrior.

00:37:24.000 I'm like, you can't fight two days in a row like that.

00:37:26.000 They don't...

00:37:26.000 Although they did do that in Japan recently.

00:37:28.000 Crazy assholes. 1.00

00:37:29.000 Japan at a tournament, I think they fought three days in a row. 1.00

00:37:32.000 Jeez.

00:37:33.000 Japan takes it to the next level. 1.00

00:37:34.000 They don't give a fuck in Japan. 1.00

00:37:36.000 They just go crazy. 1.00

00:37:38.000 They pit together this woman, Gabby Garcia. 0.99

00:37:41.000 She's 6'3", maybe more. 1.00

00:37:44.000 She's at least 6'2". 0.69

00:37:46.000 She's a solid 240. And they put her in the ring with a 50-year-old woman who had bad knees. 1.00

00:37:53.000 And she beat the shit out of the- Is that you dinging over there? 0.97

00:37:55.000 Yeah, sorry about that, man. 1.00

00:37:56.000 Shut that up. 1.00

00:37:57.000 Shut that up. 1.00

00:37:57.000 Put that thing on the vine-bearing fella. 1.00

00:38:00.000 But they put her in with this woman who's literally 50 years old.

00:38:05.000 She's about 5 feet tall. 0.54

00:38:06.000 And Gabby Garcia ran over her like a train. 0.99

00:38:09.000 It was horrible to watch.

00:38:10.000 They don't care.

00:38:11.000 Japan will have crazy fights.

00:38:12.000 They have freak show fights.

00:38:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:14.000 Well, I mean, look at all the shows that have come out of there, to be fair.

00:38:16.000 All the weird shit that ends up on our TVs usually comes from Japan. 1.00

00:38:21.000 So... 0.99

00:38:21.000 One of the big arguments was that the Russians definitely wanted Trump to win because if they didn't, then they would have hacked the RNC and they would have released their emails too. 0.99

00:38:30.000 But that's a hard argument to make because you don't know that they said anything inappropriate.

00:38:35.000 You don't know that there was any collusion.

00:38:37.000 Well, and there was also attempts to hack the RNC. And the RNC, as would one company to a next, not every company is running the same security protocols on their infrastructure.

00:38:47.000 So the RNC had different security protocols on their infrastructure, but they were probed and tested and attacked.

00:38:58.000 You know, that idea that they wanted Trump to win, frankly, if Putin sat there and thought to himself, well, what I want is what's in my and Russia's best interests, well, then I'm going to go with a known quantity.

00:39:11.000 I'm going to go with Hillary Clinton, because I know what I got there.

00:39:15.000 And it's not tough.

00:39:16.000 But Trump was like pro-Putin.

00:39:18.000 He's basically saying Putin's a smart guy.

00:39:20.000 Putin's a great guy.

00:39:21.000 We can do deals together.

00:39:22.000 Yeah, but he's too smart.

00:39:23.000 He's not going to take that on face value.

00:39:26.000 I mean, he knows. 0.99

00:39:27.000 He's reading all the same shit and watching all the same shit that everybody else is, which is that Trump in the past has kind of been all... 0.99

00:39:33.000 President Trump has been all over the place and talked in different directions. 0.99

00:39:36.000 And so it's not as if Putin would hear and say, oh, he likes me.

00:39:40.000 And he's not like that.

00:39:41.000 He's like, I bet we could be friends.

00:39:43.000 In just a what's best for my best interests, it's, you know, I'm going to go that route.

00:39:49.000 Business as usual.

00:39:50.000 Business as usual. 0.99

00:39:51.000 And I know I'm not going to get any pushback for the shit that I do because she is just going to continue the same things that have been happening. 0.99

00:39:57.000 They're going to continue to withdraw off the world stage. 0.99

00:39:59.000 And this idea that somehow Hillary Clinton was a warmonger. 0.93

00:40:03.000 What the hell? 0.95

00:40:04.000 Where did that come from?

00:40:05.000 So I'm not necessarily buying the idea that Putin wanted President Trump to win.

00:40:12.000 That's an interesting perspective. 0.98

00:40:13.000 I would have thought that he'd want him to win just to throw democracy into the shitter, just to fucking throw a big monkey wrench into the gears. 0.98

00:40:20.000 He probably felt that a Trump victory would do that. 0.98

00:40:23.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:40:24.000 And you're right.

00:40:25.000 There's a possibility there, but...

00:40:28.000 Putin is an interesting cat.

00:40:30.000 And I just have a feeling, though, that, you know, again, they make these decisions based on what's in their own best interest.

00:40:37.000 And I think they would look at the track record of Obama.

00:40:40.000 They would look at her track record.

00:40:41.000 They would look at an unknown quantity.

00:40:44.000 And again, they're not going to buy what he just says on the surface.

00:40:48.000 They wouldn't be as simple as that.

00:40:51.000 And they would look and think, yeah, let's go with what we know.

00:40:54.000 Because we know we can steamroll that.

00:40:56.000 And this over here, we don't know.

00:40:59.000 Now, so what was the point of them meddling and doing what they did?

00:41:03.000 Well, again, it goes back to the same thing.

00:41:05.000 They're just trying to create instability, chaos in a...

00:41:08.000 Some sort of sense of mistrust of a democratic institution.

00:41:12.000 Now how much of a factor do you think it is that Hillary was not ever prosecuted for deleting all those emails after a subpoena?

00:41:23.000 Because it seems like In any other case, if you do something like that, top secret clearance, you're found to have violated it, and you delete all those emails.

00:41:33.000 And people are tired of hearing about this from the left.

00:41:35.000 They're like, are you still bringing that up again? 0.95

00:41:37.000 But I gotta think that in light of what you said about them trying to hack into the RNC, but no evidence that they actually got in, but they did get into the DNC, and you think about all the different security errors that they've made, especially with her having that private email server and all that shit with Huma was using the same goddamn computer and printer that... 0.99

00:41:54.000 Anthony Weiner sending his dick pics out on? 1.00

00:41:57.000 I mean, holy shit. 1.00

00:41:58.000 It's chaos. 1.00

00:41:59.000 You couldn't have written that as a sitcom.

00:42:02.000 Yeah, if that was on House of Cards, you would have gone, well, they're going over the top now.

00:42:05.000 Yeah, that's not believable.

00:42:06.000 They're jumping the shark.

00:42:07.000 Yeah, as opposed to when the Secret Service agent slept with the president and his wife.

00:42:12.000 There was that.

00:42:12.000 What was that?

00:42:13.000 That's when I gave up on the series.

00:42:15.000 Joe's not that far yet.

00:42:17.000 Hey! 0.99

00:42:18.000 Oh! 1.00

00:42:18.000 Son of a bitch! 1.00

00:42:19.000 Damn it! 1.00

00:42:20.000 You son of a bitch! 1.00

00:42:21.000 Can we rewind that? 1.00

00:42:22.000 Goddamn spoiler alert, you son of a bitch! 1.00

00:42:24.000 Stop now! 1.00

00:42:26.000 La la la! 1.00

00:42:27.000 Now I'm gonna go home and hit myself in the head. 1.00

00:42:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:30.000 I'm gonna try to forget that.

00:42:31.000 Yeah.

00:42:31.000 You know what?

00:42:32.000 I just made that shit up. 0.99

00:42:33.000 It didn't actually happen. 0.99

00:42:34.000 Thank you.

00:42:34.000 Appreciate it.

00:42:34.000 Season two.

00:42:35.000 I'm fucked now. 1.00

00:42:36.000 Now I'm just waiting. 1.00

00:42:37.000 Now I'm just sitting there waiting for a fucking threesome. 1.00

00:42:40.000 Secret service sleeping with a president. 1.00

00:42:41.000 That wouldn't happen.

00:42:42.000 That'd be crazy.

00:42:44.000 Wow.

00:42:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:46.000 Well, he's already done some gay shit, right? 1.00

00:42:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:49.000 It's a weird show.

00:42:51.000 But that was the point where I said, okay, I've got to find myself another program to watch.

00:42:56.000 But yeah, it's...

00:42:58.000 That's what, you were like, this is unrealistic now. 0.99

00:43:02.000 Yeah, that's not, that bullshit wouldn't happen. 0.98

00:43:04.000 That's where I draw the line. 0.96

00:43:04.000 I'm sorry about that. 0.96

00:43:05.000 Don't you think somewhere, out of all the presidents that we've had, somewhere a Secret Service agent has slipped it into the missus?

00:43:13.000 I guarantee you. 0.99

00:43:14.000 I guarantee you somewhere along the line, somebody fucked the president's wife. 0.99

00:43:19.000 I think it was Taft. 0.99

00:43:20.000 I think it was the Taft administration.

00:43:21.000 Could have been.

00:43:21.000 They would have done it.

00:43:23.000 Look, those are savages back then.

00:43:25.000 Those people were barely human.

00:43:27.000 Those were cavemen with clothes on. 0.99

00:43:29.000 You go all the way that far back? 1.00

00:43:31.000 Shit. 1.00

00:43:32.000 Did you see that one female Secret Service agent who said she wouldn't take a bullet for the president? 1.00

00:43:37.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:43:37.000 Yeah. 0.71

00:43:38.000 Well, that's your job, Hooker. 1.00

00:43:39.000 Well, that's exactly right.

00:43:41.000 They fire her yet? 0.98

00:43:42.000 Not yet, but I suspect that she will be disciplined because she went on Facebook.

00:43:49.000 She put it on our Facebook profile.

00:43:51.000 Oh, what a good move.

00:43:52.000 Yeah, and she openly supported Hillary Clinton, put that on her Facebook, and said that she would not take a bullet for President Trump.

00:44:00.000 And you think, well, you know, you are in the Secret Service.

00:44:03.000 That's your job.

00:44:03.000 Here it goes.

00:44:04.000 Outrage at woman Secret Service agent and Clinton supporter who said she would not, capital letters, risk her life to protect President Trump.

00:44:12.000 Secret Service agent Kerry O'Grady wrote last October that she would rather go to jail than take a bullet for Donald Trump. 0.51

00:44:19.000 Well, she'd definitely get a better job. 1.00

00:44:22.000 Okay, O'Grady removed the post days later, said she wrote it after being overcome with emotion following Trump's grab them by the pussy video. 0.99

00:44:30.000 That sounds like a music video. 0.98

00:44:32.000 That's like a two live crew music video.

00:44:34.000 That's it.

00:44:35.000 She insists that she would be willing to do anything to protect the president.

00:44:38.000 But O'Grady has also made numerous other posts criticizing Donald Trump.

00:44:43.000 Wow, okay.

00:44:44.000 Well, see, I'm not quite sure I understand the conflict there.

00:44:48.000 She said she would rather go to jail than take a bullet for Donald Trump, for President Trump.

00:44:52.000 And then she insisted she would be willing to do anything to protect the president.

00:44:54.000 Well, now she does.

00:44:55.000 Now she does, yeah.

00:44:56.000 She removed it, and she wants to keep her job. 0.92

00:44:59.000 Secret Service says they're looking into the post after a complaint.

00:45:02.000 That is a dangerous position to take if you are a Secret Service agent.

00:45:06.000 Wow.

00:45:06.000 We're not talking about someone who's a...

00:45:08.000 Who's a just regular civilian?

00:45:10.000 You're talking about someone who's, that is your whole job, and you have, you gotta be, I mean...

00:45:17.000 She's a sack in Denver. 1.00

00:45:19.000 Jeez, I didn't realize that.

00:45:20.000 She's been with him for quite a while.

00:45:21.000 Look, she knows better. 1.00

00:45:23.000 It's time for, I would say, you know what, that's dishonoring the service, the Secret Service, and you know what, maybe, I'm sure they'll ice her, put her in some admin position. 0.98

00:45:32.000 Well, you have to in that position, right?

00:45:34.000 If you're a Secret Service agent, you can't say anything critical like that publicly about the president.

00:45:39.000 No, absolutely not.

00:45:40.000 It diminishes the entire position.

00:45:42.000 Once you retire, you can say whatever the fuck you want without violating any sort of laws, any sort of agreements that you've signed.

00:45:51.000 But once you're in there, that is the job. 0.97

00:45:53.000 It's like if you were in the agency and you're overseas and you're campaigning on behalf of one of the candidates.

00:45:58.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:45:59.000 You can't do that.

00:45:59.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:46:01.000 I'm impressed with her understanding of social media by posting something like that on Facebook.

00:46:05.000 She was overcome with emotion, though.

00:46:07.000 She was overcome with emotion.

00:46:08.000 She probably had her period.

00:46:09.000 People get crazy.

00:46:10.000 Maybe she had a Xanax and a glass of wine. 1.00

00:46:12.000 She's like, fuck that orange asshole. 1.00

00:46:14.000 Grab him by the pussy. 1.00

00:46:16.000 How dare you? 1.00

00:46:17.000 Yeah.

00:46:18.000 What a weird time, though, that that guy actually said that and still got elected.

00:46:22.000 Anyone?

00:46:24.000 I mean, that's how much people didn't want Hillary Clinton to be in office. 1.00

00:46:28.000 I know.

00:46:28.000 And that's the thing.

00:46:30.000 By the way, did you see that little clip that was making its way around at the inauguration, on the inauguration stand of Bill Clinton checking out Melania?

00:46:39.000 Yes!

00:46:40.000 And getting caught.

00:46:40.000 I thought it was Ivanka.

00:46:42.000 Isn't it Ivanka?

00:46:42.000 Could have been either one, frankly.

00:46:44.000 She's so hot. 0.97

00:46:44.000 His daughter's so hot. 0.97

00:46:45.000 Oh my God.

00:46:46.000 Yeah.

00:46:46.000 God, Jesus Christ, those jeans.

00:46:49.000 The look was fantastic.

00:46:50.000 The look was pure Bill Clinton. 1.00

00:46:52.000 Well, he was like, fuck it, it's over. 1.00

00:46:54.000 I don't have to hold it back anymore. 1.00

00:46:56.000 Look at it.

00:46:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:58.000 Oh, good Lord.

00:46:59.000 Yeah, he's shaking, he's licking his lower lip.

00:47:02.000 I love when she turns around and looks at him.

00:47:04.000 Look at that.

00:47:06.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:47:07.000 And then he looks, he gives her a quick look.

00:47:09.000 Yeah.

00:47:09.000 What?

00:47:13.000 And she turned! 1.00

00:47:15.000 Once he looks at her, he's like, listen, bitch, you know who I am. 1.00

00:47:20.000 You know you live with a wolf. 1.00

00:47:21.000 Look at that outfit. 1.00

00:47:22.000 You know you live with a big old gray wolf.

00:47:25.000 Hi, everyone.

00:47:26.000 I'm Ivanka Trump. 1.00

00:47:27.000 I wish she had a fucking accent. 1.00

00:47:29.000 What's going on there? 1.00

00:47:30.000 Oh, it's her giving a massage. 1.00

00:47:32.000 Oh, this is like a porn film that they did. 0.99

00:47:34.000 A fake porn about Ivanka Trump. 0.99

00:47:36.000 They always do that. 0.95

00:47:37.000 But that look was just fantastic.

00:47:39.000 It's the best part of the inauguration day.

00:47:40.000 It's over.

00:47:41.000 It's over.

00:47:42.000 I can be me again.

00:47:43.000 I'm tired of it all.

00:47:45.000 That would be the only reason I wanted, or I would have wanted Hillary Clinton to win. 1.00

00:47:49.000 The only bright spot, I guess I should say instead, the only bright spot to her winning would have been that he would have been back in the house.

00:47:55.000 Fascinating as a first man.

00:47:57.000 Oh, man.

00:47:57.000 On a rampage.

00:47:59.000 He'd probably be on a rampage.

00:48:00.000 Watch his mouth.

00:48:02.000 Yeah, I love his mouth.

00:48:03.000 He bites his lower lip.

00:48:05.000 He says Ivanka.

00:48:06.000 He like mouths Ivanka. 0.89

00:48:07.000 No, he doesn't.

00:48:08.000 Does he?

00:48:08.000 Let me see.

00:48:10.000 Oh, he does!

00:48:11.000 Oh, Ivanka.

00:48:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:15.000 Look at her.

00:48:16.000 Look at her.

00:48:16.000 This is amazing.

00:48:18.000 Her looking at him is fucking amazing. 0.99

00:48:22.000 But this look, when he looks over at her, he's like, I don't care. 0.98

00:48:24.000 And it's an angry look.

00:48:25.000 He shut her down.

00:48:27.000 Yeah.

00:48:27.000 One more time.

00:48:28.000 One more time with the look.

00:48:29.000 Let me see this again.

00:48:30.000 Watch this.

00:48:31.000 Presidential chubby.

00:48:33.000 Here we go.

00:48:34.000 It's a mean, angry look.

00:48:36.000 I bet he gets angry.

00:48:38.000 I bet when he yells, it's scary.

00:48:40.000 Yeah.

00:48:41.000 Now it's a highlight.

00:48:42.000 A highlight of the day.

00:48:43.000 Yeah, whether or not you believe he's killed people, he's definitely been responsible for people dying as president.

00:48:48.000 That's 100%.

00:48:48.000 I mean, he's made those decisions.

00:48:50.000 People have died. 1.00

00:48:51.000 That's in that fucking beady brain of his. 1.00

00:48:53.000 And when he looks over at her, he's looking at her with those eyes. 1.00

00:48:56.000 Don't make me kill you, dude. 0.99

00:48:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:58.000 You know you live with a wolf.

00:49:01.000 The wolf, the old gray wolf.

00:49:03.000 Oh, man.

00:49:04.000 Yeah, he would have been awesome in office again.

00:49:06.000 Oh, just roaming the hallways. 1.00

00:49:08.000 What we need is girls to keep their fucking mouths shut. 1.00

00:49:11.000 Do we have those girls? 1.00

00:49:12.000 Do we have those?

00:49:14.000 Ugh, I'm gonna need a car.

00:49:15.000 I gotta go into town.

00:49:16.000 What an animal. 1.00

00:49:17.000 What a fucking animal that guy must have been. 1.00

00:49:20.000 Wow. 1.00

00:49:20.000 What's crazy about him is the stories of him just pulling his dick out. 1.00

00:49:23.000 Like, that's something that people do, like, in college when they're drunk. 1.00

00:49:27.000 Yeah.

00:49:28.000 Yeah.

00:49:29.000 I mean, you don't do it when you're the president or former president.

00:49:32.000 That's crazy.

00:49:32.000 Usually you don't.

00:49:33.000 He just pulls his dick out. 1.00

00:49:35.000 Again. 1.00

00:49:35.000 Who knows what Andrew Jackson got up to, but I think Bill took it to a new level. 1.00

00:49:39.000 Yeah, I would imagine.

00:49:40.000 Yeah.

00:49:40.000 I would imagine there was no one like him before.

00:49:42.000 Or JFK. I mean, think about it.

00:49:43.000 JFK was...

00:49:44.000 I think JFK may have been...

00:49:46.000 Because who knows?

00:49:47.000 Because he had the benefit of the press hiding his activities, right?

00:49:50.000 Yeah.

00:49:51.000 Yeah.

00:49:51.000 They all knew about it, and it was a different time.

00:49:53.000 And he was only in office for how many years?

00:49:55.000 Three...

00:49:55.000 What?

00:49:55.000 Three years, I guess, or a year and a half?

00:49:57.000 63, got killed.

00:49:58.000 Yeah.

00:50:00.000 Two and a half years.

00:50:02.000 Yeah.

00:50:03.000 Who knows what he could have done if he didn't have back pain.

00:50:05.000 No kidding, right? 0.99

00:50:06.000 He was all fucked up on all sorts of different... 0.99

00:50:08.000 He had some significant health issues, right? 0.99

00:50:10.000 Yeah, he was on all sorts of meds.

00:50:12.000 But he still managed to find himself around the White House.

00:50:15.000 And back then, they would heal you with witch doctors. 0.99

00:50:19.000 What kind of fucking medicine do they have in 1963? 0.99

00:50:22.000 They had pills. 1.00

00:50:23.000 You should take some of these pills, Mr. President.

00:50:24.000 Well, they put him on speed, too.

00:50:26.000 Didn't they have him on amphetamines to try to jazz him up?

00:50:28.000 But back then, I was, you know, get your doctor, write you a prescription, and here you go.

00:50:33.000 This will make you feel better.

00:50:34.000 This will get you through this tough week.

00:50:36.000 Mama's a little helper. 1.00

00:50:37.000 Yeah.

00:50:39.000 Or mother's a little helper, I guess. 0.51

00:50:40.000 Yeah.

00:50:40.000 Mama.

00:50:41.000 Where am I from the South?

00:50:42.000 Yeah, the position is such a crazy position.

00:50:45.000 I mean, there's no one that's really qualified to do it.

00:50:47.000 And every time someone gets in, it's like, okay, let's see what kind of flaws in your character are going to be revealed by this.

00:50:52.000 And in that case, when you look at it that way, at least from the point of view of representing a stately sort of like an intelligent, articulate leader, Obama did a great job in that regard.

00:51:06.000 Very measured.

00:51:07.000 That's why the people on the left love him, because he was the...

00:51:11.000 You know, the projection of the intellect.

00:51:13.000 He was, you know, and fine.

00:51:14.000 And he was.

00:51:15.000 He was sort of one of those folks you look at and go, that's our president.

00:51:21.000 But again, you could say he did certain things well.

00:51:23.000 And I would say from a foreign policy perspective, it was not good.

00:51:28.000 But, you know, you got to be able to say there was good and there's bad, you know.

00:51:32.000 And that's what I'm worried about with the new president is that I'd like to think that all those supporters aren't just going to say everything he does is good, that you still got to But they always do that.

00:51:42.000 Everybody does that.

00:51:42.000 They did that on the left.

00:51:43.000 What am I talking about?

00:51:44.000 I mean, hear what's going on right now with the Dakota Access Pipeline, where everyone's blaming Trump for this.

00:51:49.000 They forget this all started while Obama was in office. 0.97

00:51:53.000 All of this, where they were putting easements on people's private land, when they were arresting these ranchers for protesting against it, trying to keep these guys from drilling into their fucking private land. 0.96

00:52:02.000 That was all during the Obama administration. 0.98

00:52:04.000 All of it.

00:52:05.000 I know, but he gets, you know, he's walking out the door, I'm going to cancel this.

00:52:08.000 Yeah, he stopped it knowing that Trump was going to kickstart it right back up and he would take the blame.

00:52:13.000 It's all craziness.

00:52:14.000 Same with the Chelsea Manning commutation and all.

00:52:19.000 How about Chelsea Manning right after he commutes her says that he's a weak leader? 1.00

00:52:24.000 Says Obama's a weak leader. 1.00

00:52:25.000 Bitch, I just let you out of jail. 1.00

00:52:26.000 You could be in jail forever. 1.00

00:52:28.000 You could be in jail forever. 0.84

00:52:29.000 You could die in jail.

00:52:30.000 Or in May, you get to go to a ball game.

00:52:33.000 Look at that.

00:52:34.000 I mean, I don't think he's going to want to go to a ball game.

00:52:36.000 It's a she. 1.00

00:52:37.000 How dare you?

00:52:37.000 How dare you say it?

00:52:39.000 It's not Bradley.

00:52:40.000 It's Chelsea.

00:52:40.000 She who was formerly known as Brad.

00:52:43.000 Yeah.

00:52:43.000 Brad.

00:52:44.000 Well, they're not going to pay for her medication anymore now that she's- Apparently not.

00:52:48.000 No.

00:52:48.000 That's a drawback, I guess, that she will figure out.

00:52:51.000 I think she'll just do a podcast.

00:52:53.000 The Chelsea Manning Hour.

00:52:54.000 Yeah.

00:52:54.000 Chelsea Manning Experience.

00:52:56.000 That's it.

00:52:56.000 Yeah.

00:52:57.000 Hosted on the Death Squad Network.

00:52:59.000 Yeah.

00:53:00.000 Why not?

00:53:01.000 Why not?

00:53:02.000 Just make some money.

00:53:03.000 Yeah, she's got to figure out a way to exactly earn a living. 1.00

00:53:07.000 She'll earn a living. 1.00

00:53:08.000 She'll be on Fox News.

00:53:09.000 On The View.

00:53:10.000 On Fox News.

00:53:11.000 Fox News.

00:53:12.000 They're going to bring her in. 0.97

00:53:13.000 As a contributor.

00:53:14.000 Bring her in on Red Eye. 0.99

00:53:15.000 Yeah.

00:53:15.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:53:16.000 So what the hell?

00:53:17.000 Come on in!

00:53:18.000 Give me a sidekick on a talk show somewhere.

00:53:21.000 What kind of psychological damage is being in solitary confinement naked for like three years? 0.99

00:53:26.000 How bad does that fuck you up? 0.95

00:53:29.000 Because she was in solitary confinement for a long time and they wouldn't even give her any clothes. 0.97

00:53:33.000 Well, I mean...

00:53:34.000 Him?

00:53:35.000 Her?

00:53:35.000 Her, I believe...

00:53:37.000 Him and her.

00:53:38.000 I think, yeah.

00:53:39.000 Formerly known as Brad, I think...

00:53:40.000 Formerly her.

00:53:41.000 Probably had some clothes.

00:53:42.000 Probably had some...

00:53:43.000 I don't think so.

00:53:43.000 Non-suicide watch clothes.

00:53:45.000 I think that was the whole deal, is that they kept her naked. 0.97

00:53:47.000 They're saying it was tantamount to torture.

00:53:49.000 I don't think...

00:53:50.000 I'm not...

00:53:50.000 No?

00:53:51.000 You're not buying it?

00:53:52.000 It sounds...

00:53:53.000 Sounds good, though, right?

00:53:54.000 Yeah, it sounds good, but I... Yeah.

00:53:56.000 It's a good episode of Homeland.

00:53:57.000 Yeah.

00:53:58.000 I'm thinking it may not have happened quite that way.

00:54:01.000 Find out if they kept her naked just for a goof. 1.00

00:54:03.000 Find a picture.

00:54:04.000 No, don't find a picture.

00:54:06.000 Don't find a picture.

00:54:06.000 Yeah, not yet.

00:54:07.000 Let's wait until we're done with all the nips and tucks. 1.00

00:54:09.000 But you're right.

00:54:10.000 I mean, okay, you know what?

00:54:10.000 You just got your sense commuted.

00:54:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:54:13.000 Shut your fucking mouth. 1.00

00:54:14.000 Say thank you. 1.00

00:54:15.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:15.000 How about a thank you?

00:54:16.000 Yeah.

00:54:16.000 How about a thank you?

00:54:17.000 Saying that he's a weak leader. 0.98

00:54:18.000 Although there may be some mental issues there. 0.86

00:54:20.000 I'm just saying maybe that he...

00:54:23.000 She was not, you know, up to snuff or feeling, you know, leveled out.

00:54:28.000 Who knows?

00:54:30.000 It's one of those things.

00:54:31.000 Here goes, most graphic passage of the letter.

00:54:33.000 Manning's description of how he was placed on suicide watch for three days from the 18th of January.

00:54:38.000 I was stripped of all clothing with the exception of my underwear.

00:54:41.000 My prescription eyeglasses were taken away from me and I was forced to sit in essential blindness.

00:54:46.000 Alright, your prescription.

00:54:47.000 It's like if someone took my contacts away from me, you know what, I'd be happy.

00:54:51.000 Well, when you're in darkness, you don't need your glasses, dude.

00:54:53.000 Yeah, he's not in darkness either.

00:54:55.000 Said he was in total blindness.

00:54:57.000 Well, essentially blind from not having his prescription glasses.

00:55:00.000 Oh, blind.

00:55:01.000 Yeah, his underwear.

00:55:01.000 It was three days.

00:55:02.000 But you see how this happens now.

00:55:03.000 Suddenly he spends three years naked and in the dark.

00:55:07.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:55:07.000 No, it's not, you know, the truth is, again, I'm not saying this is from the right wing or from the left wing, I don't give a fuck, but the truth tends to always be somewhere in some defined middle. 0.93

00:55:18.000 The parameters shift on the middle, but, you know. 0.84

00:55:21.000 He also describes the experience of being stripped naked at night and made to stand for parade in the nude.

00:55:26.000 Parade?

00:55:27.000 Is there a parade?

00:55:28.000 Parade rest.

00:55:28.000 Do you think they had horses?

00:55:30.000 A condition that continues to this day.

00:55:33.000 In quotes, the guard told me to stand at parade rest.

00:55:36.000 I don't know what that means.

00:55:37.000 Parade rest for about three minutes.

00:55:38.000 With my hands behind my back and my legs spaced shoulder-width apart, I stood at parade rest for about three minutes.

00:55:45.000 The brig supervisor and the other guards walked past my cell, looked at me, paused for a moment, and then continued to the next cell.

00:55:52.000 I was incredibly embarrassed.

00:55:54.000 And having all these people stare at me naked.

00:55:56.000 I'm embarrassed.

00:55:57.000 Oh my god, embarrassed is torture.

00:55:59.000 I shouldn't be embarrassed.

00:56:01.000 I don't understand that because you can look at me naked.

00:56:03.000 I'll just tell you right now, if you want to stare at me naked, me without any clothes on, if you don't beat me up, okay? 0.99

00:56:08.000 If you're not beating me or torturing me and you're just staring at me naked, yeah, that's my dick. 1.00

00:56:12.000 What do you want? 1.00

00:56:12.000 Yeah, sorry. 1.00

00:56:13.000 What do you want from me? 1.00

00:56:15.000 There's my butthole. 1.00

00:56:16.000 Go ahead. 1.00

00:56:16.000 You want to look? 1.00

00:56:17.000 What the fuck kind of weirdo are you? 1.00

00:56:19.000 You have one too, don't you? 1.00

00:56:20.000 You want me to look at yours?

00:56:21.000 I don't want to look at yours.

00:56:22.000 How about that? 1.00

00:56:22.000 I'm less weird than you, you fuck. 1.00

00:56:23.000 And all that talking would go very well in a military brigade. 1.00

00:56:26.000 No.

00:56:26.000 I think they'd probably beat me to death.

00:56:27.000 Yeah.

00:56:28.000 But, you know, again, you know, Okay, so, you know, her sentence is commuted, and we can now move on.

00:56:38.000 Maybe.

00:56:39.000 Until she starts her podcast.

00:56:40.000 Yeah, and then the question is, there was a lot of people that thought he was going to pardon Bo Bergdahl, you know, Sergeant Bergdahl, the fellow who walked into the Taliban camp, turned himself in, walked off his post.

00:56:52.000 Do you remember this guy?

00:56:53.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:54.000 Why did they think they were going to...

00:56:55.000 Well, a lot of people thought that Obama was going to do that, so President Obama was going to do that as well.

00:56:58.000 Really?

00:57:00.000 I thought maybe Snowden.

00:57:02.000 I thought Snowden would have been a very interesting one, but apparently what he said, and it made a lot of sense, was the difference between what Chelsea Manning did was, Chelsea Manning was arrested, went through trial, was convicted, and then he pardoned her, commuted her sentence.

00:57:14.000 That Snowden never faced trial.

00:57:17.000 And so, because he fled, and because he went to the, you know, essentially our enemy, to Russia, to live there, you can't do that.

00:57:25.000 No, no, no.

00:57:26.000 Particularly when you, again, this idea that somehow he kept all the materials safe from the Russians. 0.94

00:57:32.000 And the Chinese. 0.95

00:57:34.000 He spent time in Hong Kong.

00:57:35.000 And Gary, you step foot in Hong Kong or certainly, you know...

00:57:39.000 They walk by your cell phone with a wand.

00:57:41.000 They know where your mom lives. 1.00

00:57:42.000 Yeah, they know what the fuck you've got. 1.00

00:57:42.000 And this idea that somehow, you know, Glenn Greenwald, who's an interesting cat. 1.00

00:57:45.000 I'm not saying he's not, but Glenn Greenwald and somehow Snowden were going to beat...

00:57:50.000 The Chinese intelligence service and the FSB might be a bridge too far.

00:57:55.000 So you'd have to have some pretty deep technological information to be able to do that.

00:58:00.000 I mean, you have to really understand how those networks work.

00:58:02.000 And maybe Snowden would be able to protect certain aspects of what he was talking about, but...

00:58:06.000 I think we have to remember, though, also, he was not Lex Luthor.

00:58:10.000 I mean, sort of the narrative got built up that he was a mastermind at NSA. High school dropout.

00:58:14.000 He was an IT admin guy who identified a weakness.

00:58:19.000 Hey, fair go to him.

00:58:20.000 He figured out a weakness in the systems and, you know, how to manipulate that.

00:58:24.000 Not that someone can't be a high school dropout and be brilliant.

00:58:26.000 Right, exactly.

00:58:27.000 But he was a high school dropout, isn't it?

00:58:29.000 I believe that's correct.

00:58:29.000 I think he got his GED. I mean, he was obviously a fucking genius.

00:58:33.000 He's a super smart kid. 0.99

00:58:36.000 But...

00:58:37.000 The whole thing is very strange. 0.98

00:58:41.000 It's very strange because on one hand, look, nobody wants their goddamn emails peered into constantly when they haven't done a damn thing wrong. 0.97

00:58:49.000 When you think of a free country, you think, well, hey, I'm a free man. 0.98

00:58:53.000 I have a good job.

00:58:54.000 I pay my taxes.

00:58:55.000 I don't start any trouble.

00:58:57.000 Why are they looking at my email?

00:58:58.000 So in that sense...

00:59:00.000 A lot of people felt like they were vindicated in their fears by this guy coming out and Edward Snowden releasing that information.

00:59:08.000 I get that, yeah.

00:59:09.000 But how did you see it?

00:59:10.000 Well, I saw it in more of a simplistic operational perspective, because again, what we talked about before, everybody looks at these things from their own life experiences.

00:59:19.000 My life experiences are different than somebody who hasn't done this. 0.99

00:59:24.000 You know, you sign up your fucking agreements. 0.98

00:59:26.000 You sign, you commit yourself to protect national security. 1.00

00:59:30.000 You commit yourself to treat classified material honorably.

00:59:34.000 So just like the Secret Service agent, you know, when you start making posts like that on your Facebook, this is against the whole gig.

00:59:41.000 You're breaching your agreements.

00:59:42.000 And again, people will hear that and they go, well, but he was doing a service.

00:59:45.000 He's a patriot. 0.98

00:59:46.000 They do have this bullshit out there about how he tried. 0.98

00:59:49.000 He tried several times to go and talk about this. 0.99

00:59:52.000 He didn't?

00:59:53.000 He never brought it to the New York Times or the Washington Post or any of those places?

00:59:56.000 No, I mean internally.

00:59:58.000 He's got the narrative that says, well, I talked to myself, I tried to get this out there and everything.

01:00:02.000 Once again, the truth is not exactly in either side's narrative. 0.99

01:00:06.000 Okay, so the far right that goes after him and says he should be hung for treason, that's bullshit. 0.99

01:00:11.000 No, he shouldn't. 0.99

01:00:12.000 But you know what?

01:00:14.000 You know, I do believe he should face the court system, you know, and I don't, you know, people are going to disagree with that? 1.00

01:00:22.000 Fine, fuck it. 0.99

01:00:22.000 But, you know, that's what I think. 0.99

01:00:24.000 But the idea of, you know, some of the people went histrionics and said, you know, he should be hung—that's ridiculous. 0.96

01:00:28.000 That's not how we operate.

01:00:29.000 I also get the idea that people felt like that was good, you know, ultimately, that we had that conversation.

01:00:35.000 And I agree with that point because we should always have those conversations.

01:00:39.000 But there's a way to do that.

01:00:40.000 There's a place to do that.

01:00:41.000 There's a manner of doing that.

01:00:42.000 But would we have had that conversation without him?

01:00:45.000 Because I don't think we would.

01:00:46.000 Well, yeah, and I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I think that the point is that...

01:00:51.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:00:53.000 What failed us was up on Capitol Hill, where they failed to do what they're supposed to do up there as politicians.

01:00:59.000 We've got...

01:01:00.000 There are protocols in place.

01:01:04.000 And a curious public or a curious people's representatives are always supposed to be having these discussions about where on the spectrum between security and civil liberties and freedom, you know, where does that pendulum rest at any given time? 0.95

01:01:20.000 These people up on the Hill in the intel committees There's a well-worn path from NSA, from the CIA, from others, up to that hill to brief those people on every fucking thing that goes on. 0.89

01:01:33.000 I mean, this just... 0.99

01:01:34.000 And people are going to roll their eyes, but that's the way it fucking works. 0.97

01:01:38.000 And so then there's also this game that gets played in Washington where they pretend like they don't know, and then they get outraged, and they stand up and say, well, I just saw them all angst-ridden. 0.99

01:01:47.000 Horseshit.

01:01:48.000 Those people didn't ask... 0.99

01:01:49.000 They didn't pursue.

01:01:50.000 They didn't ask the questions.

01:01:51.000 They didn't demand that they have these...

01:02:01.000 The healthiest thing we can have of course are people up on the Hill who are constantly Questioning the system, constantly talking about it, because you're right, and it's very important.

01:02:12.000 You have to figure out where that goes. 0.99

01:02:14.000 Now, another bomb goes off somewhere, and that pendulum's going to swing back to security, and people are going to say, fuck it, I don't care. 1.00

01:02:19.000 You know, check my shoes, do whatever the hell you want to. 0.96

01:02:22.000 But, you know, read my emails, just keep us safe, you know, in particular if it's a big incident, and God forbid, but that's, I guess, my point being is that pendulum's constantly moving.

01:02:30.000 Well, does that frustrate you?

01:02:32.000 Because that's where the conspiracy theorists come in.

01:02:34.000 Whenever something goes on and there's any sort of a terrorist attack, conspiracy theorists jump in and say, this is a false flag because they've been trying to erode our privacy and erode our civil liberties, and this is the way they do it.

01:02:46.000 So instead of looking at it in a broad perspective, looking at it saying, well, okay, is it possible that a terrorist act took place and now they have to tighten up security because of that?

01:03:00.000 No.

01:03:00.000 No, no, no.

01:03:01.000 People automatically go to know they orchestrated the terrorist attack so that they could tighten up security, because it's this overall global plan to turn this into one world government.

01:03:13.000 One world government, yeah.

01:03:14.000 Well, I hope I get to be in charge of that one world government.

01:03:17.000 That's all I can say.

01:03:18.000 I would make a hell of a one world government leader.

01:03:21.000 Do you think so?

01:03:21.000 How would you do things differently?

01:03:24.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:03:25.000 I would hate to be in charge of one world.

01:03:26.000 Could you imagine what a goat rope that would be?

01:03:28.000 I wouldn't even want to be a mayor.

01:03:30.000 In the new world order?

01:03:31.000 I wouldn't want to be a mayor in a town. 0.99

01:03:34.000 Being a mayor in a town, if you've got a town of 10,000 people, you're going to have 4,000 to fucking hate you. 0.98

01:03:40.000 Retail politics, I think, are the worst. 0.97

01:03:41.000 You know, local politics and, you know, you see, in Idaho, hey, look, we're talking about Idaho again. 1.00

01:03:46.000 Everybody's like, oh, for fuck's sake. 0.96

01:03:48.000 But in Idaho, as an example, I can walk down the street in Boise and bump into the governor, lieutenant governor. 0.99

01:03:52.000 We have a nice chat.

01:03:53.000 They're great guys.

01:03:54.000 I mean, they're great people.

01:03:55.000 Ranchers, and, you know, they do this.

01:03:57.000 And in Idaho, they do, there is a point to this story.

01:04:00.000 I'll get it to it in a second.

01:04:01.000 But they have, the legislature just is in office for three months. 0.99

01:04:05.000 They do all the work they need to do, then they get back to their damn jobs, right? 0.98

01:04:08.000 Insurance broker, car guy, rancher, whatever it is. 0.98

01:04:13.000 So it's kind of the way it should be, right? 0.99

01:04:15.000 You don't need people governing you 12 months of the fucking year. 0.99

01:04:19.000 It's not necessary. 0.99

01:04:23.000 See, I forgot the point of the story.

01:04:26.000 But anyway, you've got this environment where you can watch the local politics.

01:04:30.000 That's the point of the story.

01:04:31.000 And you can see the congressman, because I'm on the flights with him all the time, and the senator, Senator Risch, great guy.

01:04:36.000 He's on the Intel Committee, brilliant guy.

01:04:38.000 But you see what they have to do to stay in office, particularly the congressman.

01:04:45.000 They're always campaigning.

01:04:47.000 They're always raising funds.

01:04:49.000 They're always politicking. 1.00

01:04:51.000 And you think, that's pretty fucked up. 0.97

01:04:54.000 And so that's why I'm a big fan of term limits and a big fan of saying, you know what, there's nothing set in stone that says our congressmen, congresswomen have to be just two-year terms, right? 0.98

01:05:05.000 We did that in the old days because nobody wanted to be in D.C. because it was a swamp and they had to get back to their farms and actually earn a living.

01:05:11.000 So, stretch that out to four years, say you can be a congressman for a total of eight years, you get two terms, you can be a senator for two terms, six years each, and then get the hell out, go back to your jobs, do something else.

01:05:21.000 And I think we would deepen the pool of potential candidates.

01:05:25.000 We would see other people come up, rise up, maybe take some of the money out of it, maybe.

01:05:30.000 Take a little bit of the influence out.

01:05:32.000 Take some of the influence out of it, yeah.

01:05:33.000 If I know somebody's going to be in office and on the Ways and Means Committee for 36 years, I'm going to invest a lot of effort and time in that individual if I'm a lobbying firm on K Street in D.C. But if that person's not going to be there,

01:05:49.000 I'll figure out how to work the system, I'm sure.

01:05:51.000 But it's going to at least shake it up a little bit.

01:05:55.000 And I think it would take some of that money and influence out.

01:05:58.000 But I don't know where I was going with that story.

01:06:00.000 That was pretty boring.

01:06:00.000 No, no.

01:06:01.000 You were just comparing the difference between local politics, where people have an actual job on top of being a local politician.

01:06:09.000 Yeah, I mean, look, it's a dirty business.

01:06:11.000 As soon as you're in the business of governing people, you're in the business of controlling people, you're in the business of trying to pass laws that help the people that put you in power in the first place, and it just gets real squirrely.

01:06:23.000 Yeah, it's a little dodgy.

01:06:24.000 How about that dossier on President Trump?

01:06:28.000 Remember that?

01:06:28.000 Which one?

01:06:29.000 The dossier that came out that was supposedly, you know, who did it?

01:06:32.000 BuzzFeed?

01:06:33.000 The BuzzFeed?

01:06:33.000 I think they were the ones who printed it.

01:06:35.000 Was this recent?

01:06:36.000 The recent one. 0.99

01:06:36.000 You know, the Russian was supposedly that he was engaged in shenanigans with hookers. 0.99

01:06:40.000 Oh, that stuff. 0.99

01:06:41.000 The peeing on the bed stuff. 0.90

01:06:43.000 You know what was ridiculous about that?

01:06:45.000 Was that major news sources were reporting that as an unsubstantiated rumor.

01:06:49.000 Like, you can't do that.

01:06:51.000 You can't do that.

01:06:53.000 That had been out and circulating.

01:06:55.000 But how could they possibly entertain that?

01:06:59.000 You can look at the New York Times, and you can pick up the New York Times on any given day, and they've got a front page above the fold story that's relying almost exclusively on anonymous sources.

01:07:07.000 That's insane.

01:07:08.000 So, you know, I don't think...

01:07:10.000 But it was. 0.99

01:07:10.000 It was amazing that they would run with that, and it was a complete bullshit report. 0.99

01:07:13.000 Oh, and it's such a hatchet job. 0.99

01:07:14.000 An obvious hatchet job.

01:07:16.000 I mean, it's like a hack wrote it. 1.00

01:07:18.000 I mean, oh, he's getting hookers to pee on him. 1.00

01:07:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:21.000 Like, come on.

01:07:21.000 And supposedly the narrative became then, for those that would like to have believed it, it became, well, the person that wrote it is a very distinguished former MI6 officer from the British Secret Service.

01:07:32.000 No, not really.

01:07:34.000 Okay.

01:07:34.000 Was he?

01:07:35.000 No?

01:07:36.000 No.

01:07:36.000 The world of political opposition research, this shouldn't surprise anybody, is populated by a lot of sketchy dudes.

01:07:43.000 No way.

01:07:44.000 Yeah, I know.

01:07:45.000 I know.

01:07:46.000 Somebody should do a series about it.

01:07:49.000 Yeah, like Homeland, but real.

01:07:51.000 But anyway, so yeah, that was a fascinating little glitch in the old on-the-radar.

01:07:58.000 I don't know.

01:07:59.000 It seemed so strange, and one of the strangest parts was his response to it.

01:08:05.000 Everybody knows I'm a germaphobe.

01:08:06.000 He's like, what? 1.00

01:08:09.000 And he's like, I tell all my people, when you go to Russia, they're filming anything, don't do anything stupid, don't screw around. 1.00

01:08:15.000 Don't get peed on. 1.00

01:08:16.000 Do you really think I would just have people peeing on me? 0.97

01:08:18.000 Yeah.

01:08:19.000 He's got a point there.

01:08:20.000 Yeah. 0.91

01:08:20.000 I mean, it is ridiculous. 0.91

01:08:21.000 I agree with it. 0.94

01:08:22.000 As a tidy person, my wife would say, I'm a very tidy person. 0.99

01:08:27.000 My first thought would be, who the fuck's going to change these sheets? 0.97

01:08:30.000 And now we've got to shampoo the carpet. 0.99

01:08:33.000 What the hell?

01:08:34.000 Yeah, it depends on how much they've had to drink, obviously.

01:08:36.000 Oh, God.

01:08:38.000 What if they've eaten asparagus?

01:08:39.000 Who's into that?

01:08:40.000 Who's into that?

01:08:41.000 That's what I really want to know.

01:08:42.000 And what happened?

01:08:44.000 It's usually, I've talked to girls that are dominatrixes, and one of the things they tell you, it's always these guys that are like big-time CEOs, they run corporations, they have all this power. 0.94

01:08:54.000 Yeah, type As, you know, they want to get kicked out. 1.00

01:08:56.000 They want you to tie them up and shit on their head. 1.00

01:08:58.000 Okay. 1.00

01:08:59.000 That's what it is.

01:09:00.000 Well, when you describe it that way, I can see what the attraction is.

01:09:03.000 I get it.

01:09:04.000 Whoa.

01:09:05.000 Man.

01:09:07.000 But it was, you know, again, that got out there completely unsubstantiated, but it became the narrative, right?

01:09:14.000 And people would start talking about it.

01:09:16.000 Let me tell you about it.

01:09:17.000 I overheard a conversation today.

01:09:19.000 Hopefully these people that I overheard aren't, you know, I hope they are listening.

01:09:22.000 I was at the hotel I'm staying at while I'm in town, and I was standing at the bar getting a cup of coffee to go early this morning, and there were two fellows sitting in a couple of chairs, and they were talking about the new administration.

01:09:35.000 And you could tell they were seriously angst-ridden about the whole thing.

01:09:39.000 They were hyperventilating, very upset about it.

01:09:42.000 And one of them said, well, I tell you what I'm worried about.

01:09:45.000 I'm worried about this whole Muslim ban thing and returning to the days of being a white supremacist nation.

01:09:53.000 What?

01:09:53.000 Mind you, both these guys were white.

01:09:55.000 And the other guy goes, doesn't even blink an eye, doesn't even question what this guy just said.

01:09:59.000 The other guy goes, I'll tell you what I'm worried about.

01:10:00.000 I'm worried about...

01:10:01.000 I think?

01:10:14.000 And they were serious.

01:10:15.000 And this is what happens, right?

01:10:17.000 Where were these guys?

01:10:18.000 Well, you don't have to tell me where they were.

01:10:19.000 They were in a hotel lobby.

01:10:20.000 They were dressed well.

01:10:21.000 So you don't know who these guys were?

01:10:22.000 I don't know who they were, but they were dressed well.

01:10:25.000 Distinguished?

01:10:25.000 Distinguished, you know, mid-30s probably.

01:10:27.000 And they really believed what they were saying.

01:10:29.000 Well, they were reinforcing each other.

01:10:31.000 And I'm not saying it doesn't happen on the other side.

01:10:32.000 Of course it happens on the other side, too.

01:10:34.000 But that's the point. 0.99

01:10:37.000 People are fucking going crazy. 1.00

01:10:39.000 They're losing their minds. 1.00

01:10:40.000 And it's not just now with President Trump.

01:10:42.000 Obviously, yeah, people on the right that were doing the same thing with the previous president.

01:10:45.000 But, you know, I wanted to turn around and say something to them and at least just say, excuse me, look, do you think you're maybe over there?

01:10:51.000 I was having dinner.

01:10:52.000 Not that I sit and eavesdrop on people.

01:10:55.000 This is your move?

01:10:56.000 This is my move.

01:10:56.000 This is my thing.

01:10:57.000 That's how this intelligence agency collects data.

01:10:59.000 That's how it works.

01:11:00.000 Yeah, just go and, you know, it tends to be.

01:11:01.000 I did dinner in New York last week.

01:11:04.000 And there was a table next to me.

01:11:06.000 And I was just sitting there.

01:11:07.000 I was waiting for my colleagues to show up.

01:11:08.000 So I was having a drink.

01:11:09.000 And I was listening to the conversation.

01:11:11.000 And they were, again, sort of feeding each other about, you know, apocalyptic, you know, results from the election.

01:11:17.000 And one of them said, this is the worst thing.

01:11:19.000 And he was absolutely serious.

01:11:20.000 And these guys were probably in their early 60s and dressed very well.

01:11:24.000 You could tell they were, you know, and their wives were with them.

01:11:25.000 And they, you know, socialized in a 1% group.

01:11:28.000 And one of them says, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to this country.

01:11:33.000 And that actually did make me then interrupt, which is rude, admittedly.

01:11:37.000 But I said, look, I hope you don't mind me.

01:11:39.000 You know, I overheard what you said.

01:11:41.000 Does that include 9-11?

01:11:43.000 Does it include Pearl Harbor?

01:11:45.000 Does it include the assassination of Lincoln?

01:11:47.000 Does it include the Great Depression?

01:11:49.000 You know, how do you define the worst thing that ever happened to our country? 0.86

01:11:53.000 And the guy looked at me like, you know, I was a douchebag, and I was. 0.60

01:12:00.000 So at least he recognized what he was dealing with. 0.86

01:12:02.000 But I said, again, I'll go back to my drink, but I was just curious.

01:12:07.000 And there was no give and take.

01:12:10.000 I didn't get some magical response.

01:12:12.000 Yeah, I guess I was being over the top a little bit.

01:12:14.000 But no, that didn't happen.

01:12:15.000 No, he just went back to them.

01:12:17.000 So I don't know. 0.97

01:12:18.000 We should all just chill the fuck out a little bit. 0.84

01:12:20.000 Well, people get on their team and they stick with it, whether it's team left or team right, which is why all those people that are anti-war refuse to go crazy about Obama and the drones. 0.88

01:12:32.000 Yes.

01:12:33.000 If you look at all the drone deaths that happened during the Obama administration, what percentage of them were innocent civilians, it's pretty staggering.

01:12:39.000 But you don't hear about that from the left.

01:12:41.000 All you hear about from the left is that the right is a bunch of warmongers and they're doing terrible things.

01:12:46.000 Look, terrible things are done.

01:12:48.000 Right.

01:12:49.000 That's how the world operates.

01:12:51.000 It would be nice if we didn't do terrible things.

01:12:54.000 Yes, it would be.

01:12:55.000 It would be nice if there weren't places in the world that were horrific right now.

01:12:59.000 All I could think of is, what would I do for a living?

01:13:02.000 What's my revenue stream at that point?

01:13:04.000 What would I complain about?

01:13:05.000 What do you think about what's going on right now in Israel?

01:13:08.000 Well, that's pretty significant, right?

01:13:11.000 Explain to people what's happening.

01:13:12.000 Well, I mean, at the 30,000-foot level, sort of not to start from a different direction, but at the 30,000-foot level, we've lost a significant amount of leverage in the Middle East.

01:13:26.000 So, as an example, when previous Secretary Kerry from President Obama's administration talked about going to a conference to talk about peace in Syria, It's a joke. 0.67

01:13:38.000 It's ridiculous.

01:13:39.000 We don't have any influence in there. 0.79

01:13:41.000 We're not the player out there anymore.

01:13:43.000 Because again, this idea that we're going to step off the world stage a little bit.

01:13:46.000 As we did that over the past several years, Iran, in particular, has realized more influence, more leverage in that region than they've had in modern times.

01:13:56.000 And they're ecstatic.

01:13:57.000 They can't believe their good fortune. 0.99

01:14:00.000 And, you know, I'm not just beaten on that whole, you know, ridiculous nuclear agreement that we ended up signing, which if Secretary Kerry was telling the truth and saying that it was all based on verification, we're kind of fucked. 0.89

01:14:14.000 Because I'm here to tell you, we don't have really good verification on their programs. 0.88

01:14:18.000 And we haven't had it for a long time.

01:14:19.000 So we rely on the Israelis to a great deal. 0.99

01:14:23.000 And some of our, a couple of our other allies out there Who have better human-sourced intelligence.

01:14:27.000 But if it was down to us, you know, we'd be flying a little bit blind because it's a tough, tough target.

01:14:34.000 So anyway, point being is the Iranians, you know, saw an opening over the past few years to do what they wanted to do for a long time.

01:14:44.000 And now they have an increasingly tight relationship with Iraq, of all places.

01:14:51.000 The Russians saw the same thing that the Iranians saw in the Middle East.

01:14:55.000 And we'll get to Israel in a second.

01:14:56.000 But Israel's just kind of sitting there, right? 0.94

01:14:58.000 Like Fort Apache, the Bronx.

01:14:59.000 So Israel's sitting there. 0.94

01:15:01.000 They're questioning whether we've got the same sort of commitment to them over the past few years.

01:15:06.000 Russia sees the same thing the Iranians see. 0.66

01:15:08.000 So Russia goes in and they start doing what?

01:15:10.000 Well, they've signed weapons agreements, arms agreements with Iraq, of all places.

01:15:14.000 Iraq.

01:15:15.000 They're selling hardware to the Iraqis after everything we were doing and all the blood. 0.98

01:15:24.000 And then they've done the same thing with Egypt.

01:15:26.000 They've signed weapons agreements, significant weapons agreements with Egypt.

01:15:29.000 They haven't had a relationship with Egypt since the Nasser days, going all the way back.

01:15:37.000 Increasingly, you know, obviously the Russians, you know, they were never ever going to give up on what they had in Syria.

01:15:42.000 They've got one port for their Black Sea Fleet.

01:15:45.000 That's it.

01:15:45.000 And it's in Syria.

01:15:46.000 They're not going to...

01:15:47.000 The idea that we were going to work together, this is one of those fallacies, again, where you think, well, maybe, you know, our interests are aligned as far as fighting ISIS. No, they're fucking not. 0.99

01:15:56.000 They are not at all. 0.99

01:15:58.000 And so the idea that somehow we were going to, you know, work, you know, and that Russia had the same sort of agenda, Russia was never, never going to let a side go, unless they had a rock-solid replacement who was, you know, on their team.

01:16:12.000 So they've created this alliance.

01:16:15.000 Turkey, in the meantime, is kind of slid in there as well with that same pact.

01:16:20.000 Again, because we kind of stepped off the stage, and people were curious, or not curious, but people were confused.

01:16:25.000 Where does America stand?

01:16:26.000 What are our commitments?

01:16:28.000 And when we don't say it out loud, when we don't prove it, then they start looking elsewhere.

01:16:32.000 So Germany and Turkey start creating an alliance.

01:16:36.000 The UK and China create economic alliances.

01:16:40.000 You know, France and Russia working together, again, in counterterrorism.

01:16:44.000 You start getting these weird alliances that have been built up over now the past recent few years, and then we're surprised that somehow the European Union is kind of coming apart a little bit at the fabric.

01:16:54.000 And so, anyway, but the point being is then Israel sitting there, Fort Apache, the Bronx, obviously Netanyahu and President Obama not exactly the tightest of relationships.

01:17:08.000 And You know, they don't have a lot of options.

01:17:13.000 It's not like they could look around and say, well, we'll align ourselves with somebody else to protect what is obviously an existential threat for them.

01:17:22.000 They don't have a lot of options.

01:17:23.000 It's pretty much us.

01:17:25.000 And so that kind of creates the environment that we currently exist in.

01:17:29.000 Now, obviously, there's A feeling that there's a bit of a sea change and that the US is recommitting itself to Israel, to its alliance.

01:17:38.000 Look, it's the only democracy, legitimate democracy out there.

01:17:41.000 And, you know...

01:17:45.000 Again, like with any alliance, we should always be able to question and everything.

01:17:48.000 But we should understand that we've got to make these things as tight, you know, so that there's no visible daylight between us and our key allies that others, because they're always looking for that daylight, that others could play off of and look to take advantage of.

01:18:02.000 So that's a 30,000-foot look at...

01:18:06.000 At the region.

01:18:07.000 It's very disconcerting.

01:18:08.000 There are six or going on seven failed states in the Middle East right now.

01:18:11.000 And every one of those poses, in a sense, a threat to Israel because... 0.67

01:18:15.000 What are they?

01:18:16.000 It's Libya, Iraq... 0.99

01:18:18.000 Afghanistan, Yemen...

01:18:21.000 I mean, Somalia is obviously done. 0.88

01:18:24.000 And when you say by failed states for the uninitiated, what you mean is they essentially don't have a real government.

01:18:31.000 There's no real government.

01:18:32.000 Yeah, there's no sense of control.

01:18:34.000 So we're talking about millions of people.

01:18:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:18:36.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:18:37.000 Absolutely.

01:18:38.000 And, I mean, Libya, it doesn't get much in the press, because the previous administration had no interest in talking about it, because they had pushed for the regime change in Libya.

01:18:49.000 And...

01:18:51.000 That was a disaster.

01:18:53.000 Again, I don't want to relitigate Iraq or Afghanistan or anything else.

01:18:58.000 Frankly, I think it was a drastic mistake.

01:19:00.000 But it goes back to what you were saying earlier.

01:19:02.000 What you were saying earlier was that this idea that we shouldn't be involved in policing the world.

01:19:09.000 The real problem with that is when you pull back, you create this vacuum.

01:19:13.000 When you remove leaders, as brutal as they are, you create a vacuum.

01:19:17.000 And as horrible as Saddam Hussein is, It was almost better for those people when that guy was in power than having what's going on right now, which is essentially chaos. 0.92

01:19:28.000 It sounds horrible to say something like that.

01:19:30.000 It's horrible to say something like that.

01:19:32.000 And the same with Libya.

01:19:33.000 Same with Libya, absolutely. 0.72

01:19:35.000 Not funny, it's terrible to say that that way, but the strange thing about Libya was, look, Gaddafi was working on our behalf in the world of counterterrorism for several years leading up to his being removed.

01:19:44.000 The only folks that were involved in that exercise that really had national interests in Libya were the French and the Italians.

01:19:51.000 And they somehow convinced the previous administration to get involved and that it was a good idea.

01:19:57.000 And now, I mean, look, Libya's got, what, 130 some odd tribes.

01:20:02.000 It's even worse than Iraq in the sense of sort of a fractured tribal environment.

01:20:07.000 And It's a disaster.

01:20:11.000 So what I mean by each failed state potentially poses a threat to Israel is that what you get is you get the sucking sound as all the air leaves the country and it becomes chaos.

01:20:23.000 And chaos is where a group like the Islamic State or Al-Qaeda or Boko Haram, that's where the extremists make their money.

01:20:31.000 That's where they make their hay. 1.00

01:20:32.000 So they gravitate to places like that.

01:20:35.000 It's guaranteed.

01:20:39.000 You know, so I don't know how it's way above my pay grade when you talk about, well, what does President Trump do now with the Middle East?

01:20:45.000 Well, he met with Mattis and he met with a bunch of folks over the Pentagon today.

01:20:49.000 And one of the things he said is, you know, we're going to take action and destroy Islamic State.

01:20:54.000 Well, good luck with that.

01:20:56.000 You know, that's one of those things where it's a nice soundbite, but nobody should actually think that if we somehow rid Iraq and Syria of the Islamic State, that we've solved the problem. 0.93

01:21:06.000 You're creating another vacuum.

01:21:08.000 And someone else will come in and fill it.

01:21:09.000 I mean, how do you take a place like that and turn it into a democracy?

01:21:12.000 That's the real question, right?

01:21:14.000 Yeah, I don't think you do.

01:21:15.000 Just can't.

01:21:15.000 Too much deeply ingrained behavior.

01:21:19.000 Yeah.

01:21:19.000 I mean, think about what it took for our nation, right?

01:21:22.000 And we kind of want every...

01:21:23.000 We've got a short attention span, so we just want everything to happen in an accelerated fashion.

01:21:26.000 We had to leave.

01:21:27.000 Yeah.

01:21:27.000 We're going to install democracy in Iraq or something.

01:21:30.000 The Afghans still don't have a clue what we were trying to sell them. 1.00

01:21:33.000 They don't have a fucking clue. 0.99

01:21:35.000 And a guy that worked for me when I started the business, the business had been up and running for about a year, and I had a Russian working on staff, a very interesting cat, was a former GRU, military intelligence, and had been a tank driver. 1.00

01:21:49.000 And he had been out in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation.

01:21:52.000 We're still carrying some shrapnel around for that.

01:21:55.000 And when we went into Tora Bora, I remember he came up to me, he was visibly shaken, and he said, that was brilliant, really brilliant, but don't stay. 0.91

01:22:05.000 He says, they're like cockroaches.

01:22:06.000 You step on them over here, and they come up over here. 1.00

01:22:09.000 And you fucking step on them, and he was really livid. 0.99

01:22:11.000 You could tell this guy just was, you know, he was starting to go off. 0.99

01:22:14.000 And he was absolutely correct.

01:22:17.000 We should have gone in there, did our tactical mission, which we're very, very good at, and then left.

01:22:22.000 But we were feeling the pangs of guilt from having left previously, after we had that operation to get the Soviets out of there. 0.91

01:22:31.000 And by the way, you know...

01:22:34.000 I'm one of those who are happy to admit that maybe if you sell shoulder-fired weapon systems to, you know, a bunch of folks in Afghanistan, at some point it's going to turn out to be a bad idea. 1.00

01:22:44.000 So you have to go back and buy them back.

01:22:47.000 Yeah, that was a piece of work.

01:22:48.000 But anyway, point being is we should have left at that point, but we were feeling guilty about having left before.

01:22:53.000 And the idea was like, oh, if we just stayed, then Al-Qaeda wouldn't have found a home base in Afghanistan and who knows what we might have prevented.

01:23:02.000 And the honest guy's truth is they would have found a home base someplace else, and we would have just been sitting in Afghanistan for another 25 years, leading up to now. 0.73

01:23:11.000 I think that's one of the most frustrating things about international conflict, when people start thinking about it, especially people like me that have nothing to do with it.

01:23:18.000 You look on the outside and you go, how does this ever get resolved?

01:23:21.000 How does this ever get fixed?

01:23:23.000 Does it ever get fixed?

01:23:24.000 I mean, is it even possible?

01:23:26.000 I don't think...

01:23:26.000 I mean, it's not going to end...

01:23:28.000 I mean, when I say it, I guess I'm referring to Muslim extremism, jihadism, whatever you want to call it. 1.00

01:23:35.000 Never.

01:23:35.000 It's not in our lifetimes.

01:23:36.000 No, not in our lifetimes.

01:23:37.000 And it's got to be on several levels.

01:23:39.000 So I'm not saying, you know...

01:23:42.000 There's that old saying, you can't kill your way out of it, but it doesn't mean you can't make a good faith effort.

01:23:47.000 Jesus Christ!

01:23:49.000 But at the same time, you have to work it on other levels.

01:23:52.000 That's a meme right there.

01:23:54.000 Can't kill your way out of it.

01:23:56.000 Can we just remove that as well as my spoiler on the House of Cards?

01:24:00.000 No worries.

01:24:01.000 Who would have imagined?

01:24:02.000 That show's 20 years old.

01:24:03.000 I would have thought you'd seen it right now. 0.94

01:24:05.000 Goddammit, I just started. 0.58

01:24:07.000 I just started a couple months ago.

01:24:08.000 I'm only on season two.

01:24:10.000 Anyway, I forget where I was going with that.

01:24:16.000 Killing your way out. 0.93

01:24:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:17.000 But you have to work on other levels, too.

01:24:19.000 So you've got to build...

01:24:19.000 Yeah, of course you've got to work with communities.

01:24:22.000 It's a huge lift.

01:24:23.000 And the local and the state and the federal authorities here in the U.S. are actually spending a lot of time trying to build some level of communication and trust with the Muslim communities here in this country.

01:24:34.000 Because at the end of the day, if you just want to talk about somebody popping off and doing something horrible here in our country...

01:24:41.000 Again, the concept of the lone wolf attack, whatever you want to call it...

01:24:46.000 Your real only chance of identifying that individual, because they're not coming up on comms and it's not on the radar already, they're not associating, unless they do, maybe they do, but usually they're not associating with known targets.

01:25:00.000 And so your best bet is a mom or a dad or a brother or a sister picking up the phone and saying, I'm worried about, you know, whomever.

01:25:07.000 And I think that's probably more likely to happen now after San Bernardino. 0.74

01:25:11.000 When that San Bernardino attack happened, there was a lot of people that knew those folks were really into guns and saying a bunch of crazy shit, but they just went, let me just get out of here. 0.85

01:25:20.000 Nothing's going to happen from this. 1.00

01:25:21.000 Let me just leave these fucking loons alone. 1.00

01:25:23.000 And then they wind up... 1.00

01:25:25.000 And I also don't want to be called an Islamophobe.

01:25:29.000 It's a wonderful new word that they also use to people who have left Islam, which is hilarious. 1.00

01:25:35.000 Really?

01:25:36.000 They do?

01:25:36.000 Ayaan Hirsi Ali, they call her an Islamophobe.

01:25:39.000 I didn't know that. 0.98

01:25:40.000 She had female genital mutilation when she was a baby. 0.99

01:25:43.000 They cut her clitoris off. 1.00

01:25:45.000 She's lived under that oppressive regime. 0.99

01:25:47.000 She risked her life to get out of there.

01:25:48.000 She risked her life to come to the United States, and they still call her an Islamophobe for it.

01:25:53.000 Anyone that said I mean, this is like it's fashionable anyone says anything critical about Islam, but you become an Islamophobe or a bigot Yeah, you're a bigot and then yeah, you're yeah, so somehow it's I Yeah, I'm not even sure how we got to that point, but well, it's the left, you know people go I mean,

01:26:09.000 it's just like the far left gets nutty the far right gets nutty far reaches of any ideologies They all they're you know, they they're blinded blinded by their beliefs and they are supported by other people who are equally blinded and You're right.

01:26:24.000 On the far edges is where the zealots tend to reside for either side.

01:26:30.000 The fringe.

01:26:30.000 Yeah, fringe.

01:26:31.000 I think we just came up with that.

01:26:33.000 I think we just developed that theory.

01:26:35.000 Not really.

01:26:36.000 This is brilliant.

01:26:38.000 Yeah.

01:26:39.000 Yeah.

01:26:40.000 You're learning a lot of new stuff here, folks.

01:26:42.000 But when you talk, when you have this, you know, you have just a massive amount of experience when it comes to foreign relations, and when you're talking about the almost like hopelessness of...

01:26:54.000 Creating peace on earth, you know, like that concept is always what everyone's always wanted, right?

01:26:59.000 Peace on earth, that's what we all want.

01:27:00.000 But when you talk about the Middle East, and you talk about how hopeless it is, and then you go back to like the fucking Carter administration, you go back previous to that, I mean, it seems like it's always been a mess. 0.52

01:27:09.000 Yeah, no, and it's... 0.99

01:27:12.000 When you look at the relations that these countries have amongst themselves, it's pretty fucked up. 0.94

01:27:18.000 And then you think about our relations, our efforts with them, and that's on a whole different level. 0.94

01:27:24.000 I don't want to say it's never possible.

01:27:26.000 That's too pessimistic.

01:27:28.000 But from a pragmatic point of view, I think we just have to be realistic in our foreign policy.

01:27:34.000 And we have to do what we can to create allies, to do our best, always acting in our own best interest.

01:27:42.000 Get away from this concept that somehow it's a community of nations all working together for the good of the world.

01:27:50.000 Some groups do.

01:27:51.000 Like I said, you can have your allies, and that's a great thing, and we should always look to promote that.

01:27:57.000 But...

01:27:58.000 Ultimately, I think we're the only nation, sometimes it seems, that apologizes when we act in our own best interest.

01:28:04.000 We almost feel like it's unseemly or it's not the right thing to do or whatever. 0.99

01:28:09.000 It's bullshit. 0.98

01:28:10.000 Every other nation out there, including our allies, close allies, they look at it first and foremost. 0.99

01:28:15.000 How does this benefit me?

01:28:18.000 How does this benefit our country?

01:28:20.000 If you just assume that's a principle on dealing in foreign policy, and then you also assume that another principle is that nothing is unconnected, nothing happens in a bubble, then with those two things as guiding principles, You know, you got to start to creating a foreign policy that makes some sense,

01:28:37.000 you know, and is beneficial.

01:28:39.000 Again, you know, the difficulty is in at what point do you exert your influence?

01:28:43.000 At what point do you decide to be the police person, you know?

01:28:46.000 But isn't that just evidence?

01:28:47.000 I didn't say policeman.

01:28:47.000 Right.

01:28:48.000 See?

01:28:48.000 A good man.

01:28:49.000 That conversation about Bradley.

01:28:50.000 Bradley, you met Chelsea.

01:28:51.000 You turned it around.

01:28:52.000 I did.

01:28:53.000 But don't you think that that's evidence of the fact that it's because of the fact that we are essentially the premier superpower in the world, and everyone else is a very distant second.

01:29:02.000 So it's kind of like we're the big boss.

01:29:04.000 We kind of have to go, well, you know, we probably shouldn't be doing that.

01:29:09.000 Yeah.

01:29:10.000 Sorry.

01:29:10.000 And it is tough.

01:29:11.000 I mean, because you, again, I agree with those people that say we can't be policing everywhere.

01:29:16.000 You talk about China.

01:29:17.000 I mean, it's a good industry.

01:29:18.000 When you say we're the lone superpower, some people would say, well, what about China?

01:29:22.000 And, oh, I just said it like President Trump does, China.

01:29:26.000 Then part of China's problem is, well, they've got several, but one is that their economy, this idea that somehow they were going to rise to the top of the heap In the world because of their economy I think has always been flawed.

01:29:39.000 There's a lot of, we spend a lot, my company spends a fair amount of time looking at Chinese companies on behalf of financial institutions and others from outside of China.

01:29:47.000 There's a lot of smoke and mirrors, a lot of bad paper there floating around.

01:29:51.000 They've got some problems, really shaky problems in their infrastructure, in their economy.

01:29:56.000 And tied to that is a problem that if they can't manage the slowdown, you know, if they can't manage it, it's not good for us either, so we have to hope that they do, but if they can't manage a slowdown, and part of that is in their economy, and part of that is It's managing or putting a damper on people's expectations.

01:30:14.000 They've kind of gotten away for some time now with people thinking, oh, I'm rising up.

01:30:18.000 I'm coming up out of the poverty class.

01:30:20.000 I'm getting up to the middle class.

01:30:21.000 I can be middle class.

01:30:21.000 Well, there's only so far in that economy they're going to go, and they've hit that ceiling, basically.

01:30:25.000 So there's a lot of discontent, in a sense, and a lot of problems that they're trying right now to mask.

01:30:32.000 I don't know whether they're going to be able to do it, but we should all hope that they're somewhat successful since, again, nothing happens in a bubble and we're connected.

01:30:39.000 So if they have significant problems, there could be issues.

01:30:43.000 So I've never been, you know, when people say, well, what about China?

01:30:46.000 China's sort of a rising superpower along with us.

01:30:48.000 Well, yeah, militarily, I mean, you know, but we're still...

01:30:53.000 Way ahead.

01:30:53.000 We're still well ahead.

01:30:55.000 But isn't it like a mutually assured destruction ahead thing? 1.00

01:30:59.000 I mean, we're all fucked if we go to war. 0.99

01:31:02.000 I mean, if we really have a world war that involves nuclear weapons, the whole planet's fucked. 1.00

01:31:05.000 The whole planet's fucked, yeah. 0.99

01:31:06.000 Except for Idaho. 1.00

01:31:07.000 Except for Idaho.

01:31:08.000 Idaho's going to be fine.

01:31:08.000 Come on up.

01:31:10.000 Isn't that kind of weird, though?

01:31:11.000 That it's like...

01:31:13.000 I mean, we are the big superpower. 0.99

01:31:15.000 As long as none of these people like Iran or Pakistan or anybody who has nuclear weapons, as long as they don't launch anything, as soon as they launch everything, we're all fucked. 0.93

01:31:23.000 So we've got to kind of keep everybody from launching everything. 0.94

01:31:26.000 Well, and you've raised really where the crisis is.

01:31:30.000 The crisis isn't with us and Russia going to war or us and China going to war. 0.99

01:31:33.000 The crisis is a A smaller nation with nuclear weapons losing its shit and doing something stupid, or some of those materials falling into the wrong hands. 0.99

01:31:48.000 Those two scenarios are still the ones that are most worrisome. 0.99

01:31:51.000 When you look at a country like, I hate to say this, you look at a country like Pakistan. 1.00

01:31:55.000 That was just going to bring them up.

01:31:56.000 Yeah.

01:31:57.000 I mean, if Pakistan didn't have nuclear weapons... 0.95

01:31:59.000 We would not really be all that interested in Pakistan.

01:32:02.000 It's a sketchy place.

01:32:04.000 Shane Smith was telling me about, Shane Smith, the head of Vice, was telling me about, what is that one city in Pakistan that he was talking about that he said is essentially the most dangerous spot on earth?

01:32:15.000 He's like, there are so many murders created in this city.

01:32:18.000 Karachi?

01:32:19.000 Was he talking about Karachi?

01:32:19.000 I think that's exactly what it was.

01:32:20.000 He was just saying, it's an insanely dangerous, murderous place.

01:32:24.000 Yeah.

01:32:27.000 Although there are parts of Pakistan that are beautiful.

01:32:29.000 I'm sure.

01:32:31.000 Parts of hell are probably nice, too.

01:32:33.000 It's a nice spot outside the lava.

01:32:36.000 Yeah, aside from the lava.

01:32:38.000 So I think it's those places like Pakistan that really have your word. 1.00

01:32:44.000 Iran, they continue their march.

01:32:46.000 This idea that somehow that agreement stopped them from developing.

01:32:50.000 Even the previous administration couldn't keep that shill up.

01:32:53.000 Are you worried about Iran?

01:32:55.000 Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

01:32:57.000 In the sense that, again, they're continuing their testing, their ballistic systems.

01:33:04.000 I think they're still continuing spinning centrifuges, and we don't know about it.

01:33:08.000 They've got a lot of hot women, though. 1.00

01:33:09.000 Yeah, well, there is that.

01:33:11.000 There is that.

01:33:12.000 Those hot Persian broads that come over here? 1.00

01:33:14.000 Woo! 0.99

01:33:14.000 Man, Persians, yeah. 0.99

01:33:15.000 There's something about their bodies.

01:33:18.000 They make them good.

01:33:21.000 Stout genetics.

01:33:22.000 Yeah, it is.

01:33:25.000 How do you account for that?

01:33:27.000 You're a dangerous nuclear power, but you've got these really hot women. 1.00

01:33:30.000 Could have put the two of them together and made something happen.

01:33:32.000 Yeah.

01:33:35.000 You sound like Bill Clinton.

01:33:36.000 Yeah, let's make it happen!

01:33:38.000 There was something that was going on where Trump was really openly criticized for saying that he wants to put America first.

01:33:47.000 And I thought that was so strange.

01:33:49.000 And people were saying it like it was one of the most horrible things a president has ever said, ever.

01:33:53.000 And I got so confused by that.

01:33:55.000 I'm like, isn't that what every country says all over the world?

01:33:58.000 So you want them to put America second? 0.83

01:34:02.000 Somewhere in the top five.

01:34:03.000 Yeah.

01:34:04.000 Sixth?

01:34:05.000 Is that like really being altruistic?

01:34:08.000 Like, what does that mean by someone being upset that he wants to put America first?

01:34:13.000 I mean, if there's bad treaties, if there's bad agreements, if there's anything that doesn't favor us or our economy or our safety, why wouldn't you want them to put America first?

01:34:25.000 That's really weird.

01:34:26.000 Here's where I think we are with that.

01:34:28.000 Maybe I'm completely wrong on this theory, but if Donald Trump was any other ethnicity, Been saying America First would not be construed as racist.

01:34:36.000 I think the far left construes it as racist because he's a white guy.

01:34:40.000 And they view everything through race.

01:34:43.000 They view everything through race, as far as I'm concerned.

01:34:45.000 You think if Obama said it, they would think he's being conciliatory to the right and that he's trying to drum up patriotism or something like that?

01:34:52.000 I think they'd say, yeah, look, he's trying to fire up the economy.

01:34:55.000 It's all about jobs.

01:34:56.000 I just don't think it would be...

01:34:58.000 I just don't think it would have the same impact.

01:35:00.000 And I think if Hillary Clinton said it, I think she would get a pass.

01:35:03.000 I think you're right there. 0.98

01:35:05.000 Well, she said some crazy shit about Russia that we should be able to respond militarily to the cyber attacks. 1.00

01:35:13.000 I was like, you really can't say shit like that. 0.99

01:35:15.000 And apparently what was said was that they had said to the Russian people they were in contact with, look, this is all just rhetoric, don't worry about it. 0.99

01:35:23.000 Yeah.

01:35:24.000 That's what I was reading.

01:35:26.000 I don't know if that's really how it goes down. 1.00

01:35:28.000 Yeah, no, it's pretty crazy shit. 0.96

01:35:29.000 When you start trying to imagine what's that line where another nation engages in some sort of cyber shenanigans and we're going to respond militarily, the Pentagon is still trying to figure that out. 0.99

01:35:39.000 The Pentagon has been working on this for some time.

01:35:41.000 How can you respond militarily?

01:35:42.000 What do you do?

01:35:43.000 They haven't done anything.

01:35:45.000 But the idea of what are your protocols for cybersecurity, for cyber attacks, cyber warfare, they're still trying to figure that out because it's so freaking difficult.

01:35:54.000 But think about, in this particular instance, what we're talking about is not really cyber warfare.

01:35:58.000 It's someone getting a hold of some emails.

01:36:01.000 So you read my emails, I'm going to launch a bomb at you? 0.82

01:36:03.000 Yeah, it would have to be... 0.98

01:36:05.000 I'm hoping.

01:36:06.000 I would think the threshold would be higher than that.

01:36:08.000 I would think so, too.

01:36:10.000 Taking down infrastructure.

01:36:11.000 But if you want to look at it from a simplistic point of view, I mean, that's really what they're saying.

01:36:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:36:16.000 And that's where you're right.

01:36:17.000 The rhetoric's got to...

01:36:18.000 You can't do that.

01:36:19.000 You can't engage in that sort of conversation.

01:36:23.000 That's why I would like to think that the new president would have...

01:36:26.000 Or start to have more, and I think it may be happening, more discipline and sort of the messaging.

01:36:32.000 You know, because you got to. 0.99

01:36:32.000 You can't say shit out there anymore. 0.99

01:36:35.000 Well, that was driving me crazy because I would tell that to my friends who are Hillary supporters and they would try to ignore it. 0.99

01:36:41.000 I go, how can you ignore that? 1.00

01:36:42.000 That is a fucking crazy statement. 1.00

01:36:44.000 You hacked my email, so I'm going to launch the military at you. 1.00

01:36:47.000 Yeah, but there's still confusion.

01:36:49.000 Even if you think about...

01:36:50.000 There was a cyber attack by a nation state against our electrical grid, for instance.

01:36:55.000 Right.

01:36:55.000 Took down the...

01:36:56.000 There's only three grids in this country, east, west, and Texas.

01:36:59.000 So they took down the east grid.

01:37:01.000 Think about that.

01:37:01.000 Now, if it's a serious and coordinated and sophisticated attack...

01:37:08.000 You know, you may be down for three, four, five, six weeks, seven weeks.

01:37:11.000 Could be longer because we don't manufacture a lot of that gear for the system anymore here in this country.

01:37:16.000 And we're putting, you know, lipstick on a pig for most of the patchwork quilt of the power grid.

01:37:23.000 And so it's a fairly frail thing anyway.

01:37:26.000 But if they take that down, then you think to yourself, well, how do we respond?

01:37:31.000 Do we do the same to the attacking nation that engaged in that?

01:37:35.000 Do we respond militarily?

01:37:38.000 And that's where, you know, again, the Pentagon has been sitting there trying to figure out, what do we do?

01:37:43.000 What are the protocols?

01:37:44.000 What are the responses?

01:37:45.000 What line do we need to see before we...

01:37:48.000 So, you know, it's a whole different world, and this is something to really pay attention to, because going forward, when you talk about, well, you know, maybe something happens and you get, you know, people starting to launch nukes, yeah, maybe, again, you get some crazy-ass, you know, leader of a small nation, you know, 0.56

01:38:03.000 that decides to do something, or they get overrun, and, you know, it falls into bad hands, whatever.

01:38:08.000 But more likely than not, what's going to happen is something that spins out of control in cyberspace.

01:38:14.000 And because we either, you know, we overreact or we underreact and then we're playing catch.

01:38:23.000 I don't know.

01:38:24.000 So it's a constant game of arbitration and coordinated communication and trying to soothe things out and keep things from getting too crazy.

01:38:34.000 Which is why, again, I sometimes make fun of diplomacy, but diplomacy is very, very important.

01:38:39.000 So you've got to have those communication channels open all the time.

01:38:42.000 People have to be talking.

01:38:44.000 Intel services talk to each other all the time.

01:38:46.000 Even when two countries, or even when us and another country are going at it in the media, or we're really... 0.99

01:38:51.000 The Intel services tend to be working together, keeping their line of communication, because they know it's pretty serious shit. 0.67

01:38:57.000 You've got to do that, and things can get sideways really, really fast out there. 0.85

01:39:01.000 And so...

01:39:02.000 You know, you got to hope that, you know, the conversations continue.

01:39:05.000 And we've got good people.

01:39:06.000 I look at the new administration's sort of second and third tier folks, you know, where crap actually gets done, you know, not the cabinet level or anything, but the down, you know, second, third tier.

01:39:16.000 And they brought in some good pragmatic people.

01:39:19.000 They've got some smart folks.

01:39:20.000 They understand, I think, the, you know, the way the world works.

01:39:24.000 They're measured in their response.

01:39:26.000 Now, does any of that matter?

01:39:27.000 You know, because the president is, you know, can be, you know...

01:39:30.000 Kind of a loose cannon.

01:39:31.000 Yeah, he's his own guy.

01:39:31.000 You know, he's going to make his own decision or feel like...

01:39:33.000 Who knows?

01:39:35.000 You know, this caught everybody by surprise.

01:39:38.000 So...

01:39:39.000 Did it really?

01:39:39.000 I think so.

01:39:40.000 No one saw it coming?

01:39:41.000 Maybe there were a handful of people.

01:39:42.000 I think there were four.

01:39:43.000 Four people in the entire country. 1.00

01:39:45.000 But, yeah, I mean, anybody else who said, yeah, I knew this was going to happen, they're just blowing smoke up your ass. 0.97

01:39:50.000 I don't think—there were a very small number of people, I guess, that actually saw that this was developing and was going to happen. 0.99

01:39:55.000 Now, I had friends that jumped on the Trump train early, really early, back when you thought, wow, you're what?

01:40:01.000 You're doing what?

01:40:03.000 But I think, you know, did they see something, or were they just looking for a campaign they could ride?

01:40:09.000 I don't know.

01:40:10.000 That is part of the problem, right?

01:40:12.000 Right.

01:40:12.000 Yeah, everybody's looking for a job, in a sense.

01:40:15.000 Well, there's also...

01:40:16.000 I don't know if you've noticed this online, but there's a bunch of weird sort of now...

01:40:22.000 Now very obvious right-wing guys, but people that were just sort of online commentators or they would have a blog or a little of this or that.

01:40:32.000 And then when it kind of became a movement, this Trump thing became a movement, all their stuff got really pro-Trump and they started using words like cuck, calling people cucks and falling into these camps where you're just seeing these tribal sort of behavior patterns play out.

01:40:52.000 Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.

01:40:53.000 And some of that is because, you know, again, you've got people that are thinking, okay, look, this could actually happen.

01:40:59.000 I would like a job.

01:41:00.000 I'd like to be on the winning side.

01:41:01.000 I'd like to jump on the team.

01:41:03.000 I'd like to be one of the people considered as an ally instead of an enemy.

01:41:07.000 And, you know, fine.

01:41:09.000 That's the way the game works, I guess.

01:41:10.000 It's bizarre, though.

01:41:11.000 It's bizarre to watch.

01:41:12.000 Yeah, I mean, I... Early on, I signed on to a national security letter with some other folks and basically said that, you know, we didn't believe that Donald Trump, now President Trump, was the right candidate from a national security perspective.

01:41:28.000 And, you know, I took some heat for that.

01:41:32.000 But some of those folks are now looking for jobs in the administration.

01:41:36.000 And I think, I don't get it.

01:41:38.000 But I will say this much.

01:41:43.000 Once, you know, once the person wins, and this is maybe where, you know, I have a hard time understanding some of the angst that's out there.

01:41:52.000 Once the president gets in, you've got a duty to, you know, work and make the country, you know, go forward and work.

01:42:00.000 And so I've got no problem supporting the administration in the sense that I want them to do well.

01:42:04.000 And I don't think there's anything incongruous with that, in the sense that, yeah, it wasn't my candidate, you know, fine.

01:42:10.000 But now that he's in, I want this place to do well.

01:42:13.000 And so I want this administration to do well.

01:42:15.000 I'm glad that they've got good people coming in.

01:42:20.000 I still say, there's going to be things that he's going to do that I'm going to say, yeah, it's great, good, excellent.

01:42:25.000 And there's going to be things that he does that I'm going to think, what the hell is that?

01:42:27.000 And if you can't be in that position and you've always got to be all on board or all against, I don't see how people live that way. 0.98

01:42:37.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99

01:42:38.000 It's ridiculous. 0.98

01:42:39.000 Do you think it's possible that he could pull this off and he could be a good president and he could listen to the advice of the people that actually know how the world works and stay off Twitter? 0.89

01:42:48.000 I don't think it's possible he can stay off Twitter.

01:42:50.000 I don't think it's just like that old scorpion right on the back of the frog.

01:42:53.000 Tell me he can't end tweets with sad anymore.

01:42:55.000 Sad.

01:42:55.000 He can't say that anymore.

01:42:56.000 Yeah, he's got to stop that.

01:42:58.000 Can't just say sad. 0.99

01:42:59.000 I don't think that shit's going to end, but could he surprise people? 0.98

01:43:02.000 Could good things happen as a result of a change in administrations? 0.99

01:43:05.000 Could the economy, you know, see a bump?

01:43:09.000 Sure, of course.

01:43:10.000 I hope it happens.

01:43:10.000 I really do hope it happens.

01:43:11.000 I really hope he really does commit to rebuilding the infrastructure.

01:43:15.000 You know, that's what I think could get a lot of great jobs and would do a lot of good for us.

01:43:20.000 Yeah, no, I agree 100%.

01:43:21.000 Yeah, roads, bridges, there's no doubt about it.

01:43:25.000 Water pipes.

01:43:26.000 Water pipes.

01:43:26.000 I think that there's...

01:43:28.000 And if he goes in that direction, if we see that now, again, you've got people questioning sort of the spending.

01:43:36.000 So, you know, the jury's out on what they do with taxes.

01:43:41.000 Seems like they're going to go in a decent direction on the taxes.

01:43:46.000 Yeah, I think it could surprise people because I think what people are missing is they see chaos.

01:43:53.000 They see a lot of chaos.

01:43:54.000 But you could also argue it's actually a beneficial thing to have a lot of people talking at you, because they do seem willing to listen to a lot of different people, right?

01:44:04.000 At least at the early stage.

01:44:05.000 I realize that could change or maybe, you know...

01:44:07.000 And I don't want to make too much of it, but they do seem like there's a lot of different voices that are being dragged in and saying, what do you think about this?

01:44:13.000 What do you think about that?

01:44:14.000 Now, he's going to make his own decision, but we get lost.

01:44:17.000 We don't see those things happen.

01:44:18.000 You know, it's like the discussions that they've already started about how do we realign the intel community so that it's more efficient, it's more effective.

01:44:26.000 That's a good conversation to have, but we don't see that because people get lost in the tweets, and they get lost in the various headline of the day.

01:44:32.000 The cult of personality.

01:44:33.000 Yeah.

01:44:34.000 And there is, to be fair, there's a media out there that wants him to fail as soon as possible.

01:44:38.000 I mean, they're just hoping that he fails.

01:44:40.000 Why do you think that is?

01:44:40.000 Because he's criticizing them?

01:44:42.000 Because he's openly going to war with them?

01:44:43.000 Sure.

01:44:44.000 Right.

01:44:45.000 I guess that's it.

01:44:46.000 And also, you know, I mean, let's be fair.

01:44:48.000 I'm not saying anything that people are going to be shocked by, but this was not their candidate, never would be.

01:44:56.000 He stands for everything they don't like.

01:44:58.000 Part of the media is very insular, obviously.

01:45:01.000 Again, this is all stuff that people know.

01:45:03.000 So it's no surprise, but there's a large portion of the media out there that really wants him to fail, and they're actively working towards that end.

01:45:10.000 So, you know, I... Again, you could go back to the previous administration and say, well, look what Fox News was.

01:45:17.000 They're always questioning President Biden.

01:45:18.000 Well, that was one voice, you know, fine, and some talk radio.

01:45:22.000 You know, I don't know.

01:45:24.000 So I think there's a good chance, not a good chance, there's a chance that the president could turn out to be a lot better.

01:45:31.000 There's probably a good chance it'll turn out to be better than people thought.

01:45:35.000 And, you know, you would like to think that everybody would want that to happen.

01:45:39.000 You know, who sits around and hopes that they, obviously, again, there were people on the right that wanted Obama to fail.

01:45:44.000 Okay, that course.

01:45:45.000 Again, but it's what we were talking about before when you said, you know, sort of the zealots on each side.

01:45:50.000 I don't understand that mentality. 0.99

01:45:51.000 I hope this guy fucks up. 0.99

01:45:54.000 Really? 0.99

01:45:54.000 Because, you know, you're living here. 0.99

01:45:56.000 Right.

01:45:56.000 So, and this is your country, and you get kids, and you get, you know, whatever.

01:45:59.000 They just want to say, I told you so.

01:46:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:46:01.000 They want the other side to fuck up. 0.99

01:46:02.000 They want the other team. 0.99

01:46:03.000 But, you know, that's the problem, is they're looking at it as the other team, instead of looking at it as one big team.

01:46:08.000 Once it gets in, I mean, we're supposed to be all on the same side.

01:46:12.000 Yeah.

01:46:12.000 Once a guy gets in, you might criticize his movements, you might criticize his decisions, but ultimately, you should want him to do well, because it will be good for the entire country.

01:46:21.000 Right.

01:46:21.000 And you can disagree with policies, fine.

01:46:23.000 But if you disagree, then fine.

01:46:26.000 Get out there and do something constructive about it.

01:46:28.000 Right?

01:46:29.000 I mean, donate or go work in some sort of volunteer position or canvass your neighborhoods.

01:46:36.000 Do the political thing.

01:46:37.000 I mean, people made a lot of fun of the Tea Party, but look, the Tea Party did what, you know, you're supposed to do in a democratic society.

01:46:42.000 They organized.

01:46:44.000 They, you know, politicked.

01:46:46.000 They worked.

01:46:47.000 They canvassed.

01:46:48.000 They got, you know, representatives elected.

01:46:50.000 And, you know, they pushed their agenda in a proper manner. 1.00

01:46:53.000 So, fuck it. 1.00

01:46:54.000 Maybe the far left will get over its butthurt and they'll actually start doing that shit. 1.00

01:46:59.000 Well... 1.00

01:47:00.000 Hopefully.

01:47:01.000 Hopefully it just leads to more discussion, more debate, more communication, and more people having a better understanding of how the system works.

01:47:08.000 I think if one thing that we can look forward to with Trump is that he's so transparent, and if something pisses him off, he's immediately going to talk about it, that we're going to get to see more and understand more about how it works behind the scenes.

01:47:22.000 Yeah.

01:47:23.000 No, I think that's right.

01:47:24.000 And I think that's one of those things that people look at and...

01:47:28.000 Unless they hate him, they look at that as a positive and they think, you know what, I'm happy that he's out there tweeting because I want him to bypass the media and tell me what's going on and that sort of thing.

01:47:38.000 And I think he genuinely believes that that was a big part of why he got elected. 0.99

01:47:43.000 So he's not going to change that shit. 0.99

01:47:45.000 Why would he? 1.00

01:47:45.000 People love it. 1.00

01:47:46.000 They get crazy when, look, everybody looks at someone who's in power, whether they're the president or whatever it is, they look at them as being some irreproachable, some person of much higher moral cloth and value and intellect,

01:48:02.000 and when you see him, he's clearly not.

01:48:04.000 Right, right.

01:48:04.000 You know, he gets mad.

01:48:06.000 He starts shitting on Rosie O'Donnell. 0.96

01:48:08.000 You know, he goes after people and you go, this guy's like me. 1.00

01:48:11.000 He's nuts. 0.99

01:48:11.000 No, that's right. 0.99

01:48:12.000 And that drives the media crazy, too.

01:48:14.000 It drives the academics and others that have typically occupied the far left.

01:48:20.000 It drives him crazy because he does look...

01:48:23.000 Preposterous.

01:48:23.000 At every level.

01:48:24.000 Yeah, I've got very progressive liberal friends who, you know, that's the first thing they say, he's such an idiot, he's so stupid, and he appeals to all the stupid people out there. 1.00

01:48:32.000 And I said, you know what, how do you think you ended up with President Trump? 1.00

01:48:36.000 By spending eight years telling people how stupid they are, right? 1.00

01:48:39.000 And minimizing their importance and making fun of them. 1.00

01:48:44.000 Yeah.

01:48:44.000 Yeah, so you know there you go.

01:48:46.000 Congratulations It's definitely a part of it.

01:48:49.000 I mean and he played off of that really brilliantly He's a very smart persuader in that regard you know Scott Adams who the creator of Dilbert who predicted this whole thing a long time in advance and took a big hit for it told me cost him millions of dollars people Boycotting him hating him and by the way,

01:49:07.000 he doesn't even vote Yeah.

01:49:30.000 And the way he understands how to manipulate the press and say outrageous things, so they talk about him constantly, so he gets free press.

01:49:36.000 I mean, what he did in that sense, Scott was totally right.

01:49:39.000 And Scott was looking at it completely objectively.

01:49:42.000 He's not a Trump supporter.

01:49:44.000 Many people accuse him of being so, and that's why he took so much heat about it.

01:49:47.000 He's like, he's going to be president. 1.00

01:49:48.000 And they're like, you're a piece of shit! 1.00

01:49:50.000 And they hated him because of it. 1.00

01:49:51.000 It's really fascinating, because when you get to know Scott, you realize he's a brilliant guy.

01:49:57.000 But he's unafraid to discuss what he actually believes will take place, regardless of whether or not people think that's what they want or, you know...

01:50:05.000 Right, right.

01:50:06.000 No, he's smart.

01:50:07.000 I mean, I didn't know that about him.

01:50:09.000 It's really interesting.

01:50:10.000 The podcast I had with him is really entertaining, if you ever want to listen to it.

01:50:13.000 Yeah, no, definitely, definitely.

01:50:14.000 Very interesting.

01:50:15.000 I'm like everybody else.

01:50:16.000 I got a few of his cartoons clipped out and stuck up on my cubicle.

01:50:19.000 Okay, I'm lying.

01:50:20.000 I don't have a cubicle.

01:50:21.000 You don't have a cubicle.

01:50:21.000 I don't have a cubicle.

01:50:22.000 Probably out of like a bunker in a basement somewhere.

01:50:25.000 Made out of steel.

01:50:26.000 Like an office you could rollerblade in.

01:50:27.000 Remember when Dick Cheney was in the bunker?

01:50:31.000 Yeah.

01:50:31.000 Where's the bunker?

01:50:33.000 Is there a real bunker?

01:50:34.000 I can't tell you where the bunker is.

01:50:35.000 You don't have to tell me where it is, but tell me if it's a real thing.

01:50:36.000 There's a real bunker, yeah.

01:50:37.000 So he really was in there?

01:50:39.000 Yep.

01:50:39.000 Why did he go in there and Bush is out there running around on the surface playing golf?

01:50:42.000 Continued away. 1.00

01:50:43.000 Bush's out bass fishing and shit. 0.99

01:50:45.000 He's like, hi y'all. 0.99

01:50:45.000 He didn't go bass fishing after 9-11. 0.99

01:50:49.000 He was doing everything, man.

01:50:50.000 He's out there drinking beer on the dock.

01:50:53.000 Chaney's seven miles underground.

01:50:55.000 With no communications.

01:50:56.000 Tell Dick he's going to need to stay down there.

01:50:57.000 It's still bad out here.

01:50:59.000 Why did Cheney go into the bunker?

01:51:02.000 Continuity of government.

01:51:03.000 Oh.

01:51:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:05.000 So in case they killed Bush, Cheney would be tucked away.

01:51:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:09.000 Really?

01:51:09.000 Yeah.

01:51:10.000 Wow.

01:51:10.000 So, I mean, it's the same reason why you don't let everybody stand on the inauguration stand during the inauguration, right?

01:51:16.000 Right, right, right.

01:51:17.000 So you randomly choose somebody as the designated survivor.

01:51:19.000 Well, whenever they start talking about how security is so locked down, I remember that guy who was the sign language interpreter for Obama.

01:51:28.000 Yes. 0.65

01:51:28.000 Who turned out to be a complete psychopath who didn't know sign language at all. 0.65

01:51:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:51:34.000 And he was up there just making fucking gang signs and shit. 1.00

01:51:37.000 It was fantastic. 1.00

01:51:38.000 And this guy was standing three feet away from the fucking president. 1.00

01:51:42.000 Nobody vetted him. 1.00

01:51:43.000 Nobody fucking did anything. 0.98

01:51:47.000 There have been a few security screw-ups. 0.97

01:51:48.000 There was a little while back before that incident that you're talking about.

01:51:54.000 The guy in the elevator.

01:51:55.000 Yeah, the guy in the elevator, which was...

01:51:56.000 Oh, yeah, exactly.

01:51:57.000 Yeah, we talked about that.

01:51:58.000 Yeah.

01:51:58.000 We'll explain that.

01:51:59.000 That was a great story.

01:52:02.000 Not great in the sense that it was a fuck-up, but at the same time, it was fascinating.

01:52:06.000 So it was where?

01:52:07.000 At CDC? He went down to Atlanta.

01:52:10.000 That was it, right?

01:52:11.000 And he got on...

01:52:12.000 The president...

01:52:12.000 Sorry, the president got on the elevator.

01:52:15.000 And he had his detail with him, obviously.

01:52:17.000 And this one fellow...

01:52:19.000 Went to get on the elevator.

01:52:20.000 Who does that?

01:52:21.000 Who even thinks that the president...

01:52:22.000 Oh, you know, keep the door open.

01:52:24.000 I gotta get on.

01:52:25.000 I paid taxes.

01:52:26.000 I got my lunch.

01:52:27.000 I gotta get to my desk.

01:52:29.000 And so he gets on.

01:52:30.000 The Secret Service has asked him to leave, obviously.

01:52:33.000 First of all, he shouldn't have been on there.

01:52:34.000 They should have had a couple of guys standing outside the door. 0.96

01:52:37.000 They ask him to leave.

01:52:38.000 He won't leave.

01:52:39.000 He rides up, basically.

01:52:41.000 And then as it turns out, he's armed.

01:52:42.000 And he's a guard, right?

01:52:44.000 He's a private security guard for that facility under contract with the company that had the contract for security.

01:52:50.000 He was armed.

01:52:51.000 They didn't even know it.

01:52:52.000 Secret Service had no idea.

01:52:53.000 Yeah.

01:52:53.000 He's got a concealed weapon and he's in the elevator three feet away from the president.

01:52:58.000 Yeah.

01:52:59.000 Unbelievable.

01:52:59.000 So there have been little situations like that.

01:53:03.000 It's a tough, tough job. 0.96

01:53:04.000 That Secret Service operation, I know it seems like it only makes the news when there's some bad thing that happens to fuck up or something people find funny, like some hookers or whatever. 1.00

01:53:15.000 But it's a tough-ass job. 0.98

01:53:18.000 I can only imagine. 0.98

01:53:19.000 And we should kind of applaud them how few of those fuck-ups ever happened. 0.97

01:53:23.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.92

01:53:24.000 Exactly.

01:53:25.000 And, you know, they do...

01:53:27.000 It's kind of a thankless job in many, many ways.

01:53:30.000 And it's just really...

01:53:34.000 It's always high stress.

01:53:35.000 It's always stress.

01:53:37.000 And so I give those folks a lot of credit, just like the FBI. FBI's staff with brilliant people, great people.

01:53:43.000 Well, just imagine this woman who made this Facebook post about not being willing to take a bullet for the president. 1.00

01:53:47.000 What if she said that about the CEO of Allstate?

01:53:50.000 Right.

01:53:50.000 You'd be like, yeah, good move.

01:53:52.000 Don't take a bullet.

01:53:52.000 Like, that's how crazy the job is, that there is a consideration that she might one day have to take a bullet for the president.

01:53:59.000 Yeah, apparently, I mean, she wouldn't.

01:54:01.000 Okay, fair go.

01:54:02.000 Maybe she would. 0.88

01:54:03.000 Yeah, maybe she would now.

01:54:05.000 Maybe she's just angry, and maybe she would do her job because she's a patriot.

01:54:08.000 Yeah, hopefully so.

01:54:09.000 That would be nice, but I think she's going to at least be on ice for a while, based on that.

01:54:13.000 But, yeah, you know, it's...

01:54:17.000 And that's true of any executive protection detail.

01:54:20.000 Obviously, it's a heightened situation when you're talking about the president or U.S. dignitaries or whatever.

01:54:26.000 But anybody in that business, there's no room for ego, can't have an ego.

01:54:31.000 Bodyguards, people think about bodyguards and they tend to think about somebody who's protecting the Kardashians or something.

01:54:38.000 It's not a celebrity bodyguard.

01:54:40.000 But the executive protection world is a fairly large business.

01:54:46.000 You know, it's a really tough industry, and there's no room for egos, and it requires a real variety of skills, diplomacy, common sense on top of all the typical skills you would imagine.

01:54:59.000 And it is, again, it's just a sort of a thankless job.

01:55:03.000 You know, you're often dealing with principals who...

01:55:06.000 We really don't even want you there.

01:55:08.000 High net wealth families, high net wealth individuals.

01:55:11.000 And they just need it.

01:55:12.000 So they tolerate it.

01:55:13.000 Right.

01:55:13.000 They tolerate it.

01:55:14.000 They don't really want you there.

01:55:15.000 Or they think after a while you're just there to carry bags.

01:55:19.000 And so the folks that do those jobs...

01:55:21.000 In serious details, it's really tough.

01:55:24.000 And then, like, out in Hollywood, you know, you sometimes get, you know, the bodyguard, you know, they'll hire whoever happens to be biggest.

01:55:30.000 And that's the worst thing you can do.

01:55:31.000 You don't want, you know, some big, thick-necked guy out there thinking that he's going to protect you, or he's the best guy, when it could, in fact, be the, you know, 5'2 woman who's going to be actually the smartest, because she's got all the right skills. 0.66

01:55:42.000 She's got the combination. 0.99

01:55:44.000 And if you've got something busting up on top of the principle, you've already fucked up. 0.95

01:55:48.000 You've already missed the opportunity to sort the problem out. 0.95

01:55:51.000 Right.

01:55:52.000 Sometimes it's better with a physically vulnerable person because they take steps to make sure that it never gets to that point.

01:55:56.000 Whereas the big guy thinks he can handle it.

01:55:58.000 He always looks to handle it.

01:56:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:56:01.000 So, again, I'm not sure how we veered off into that conversation, but it's a fascinating world.

01:56:06.000 And it's, again, heightened when you're talking about the president.

01:56:10.000 Yeah.

01:56:12.000 Beyond.

01:56:13.000 Yeah.

01:56:14.000 How do you feel about...

01:56:16.000 What do you think?

01:56:18.000 Should we be concerned about Putin and Russia?

01:56:21.000 I mean, is that something we need to go back to?

01:56:23.000 When I grew up, I mean, you and I are pretty much the same age.

01:56:26.000 When we were in high school, you remember that fear?

01:56:28.000 Everybody had this fear hanging over our head that we were going to go to war with Russia.

01:56:31.000 There was going to be a mutually assured destruction, nuclear war.

01:56:34.000 There was nothing we could do.

01:56:35.000 I used to go to bed sometimes.

01:56:37.000 I'd think about that. 0.99

01:56:38.000 When I was like 14, I'd be like, fuck, I don't want to die in a nuclear bomb. 0.99

01:56:42.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:56:42.000 No, 100%. 1.00

01:56:44.000 I remember when in elementary school...

01:56:47.000 You know, we'd have the ducking covers.

01:56:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:49.000 You get under your desk.

01:56:51.000 Good luck with all that. 0.94

01:56:52.000 Yeah, I remember one of my friends, you know, one time we were sitting under the desk, and Mark said, we started talking, and I looked at him, and I had older brothers, so they'd already told me how bullshit that whole exercise was.

01:57:02.000 But I realized that my friend Mark, sitting there as we kind of ate our lunch underneath the desk, you know, it seemed like this was going to do it.

01:57:08.000 This was going to protect us.

01:57:09.000 Yeah.

01:57:09.000 And I remember looking at him, and I told him, I said, Mark, this is not going to stop a nuclear bomb.

01:57:13.000 There's no way. 0.98

01:57:14.000 That thing's going to just blow the shit out of us. 0.99

01:57:16.000 And he was like, oh, my God. 0.99

01:57:17.000 I think I ruined the kid for life.

01:57:22.000 And then you go out to work in the CIA and this poor dude's still shaking in a corner somewhere.

01:57:26.000 Oh my God, the protective duties.

01:57:28.000 So anyway, no, I think we should be worried about Putin in the sense that his agenda, his interests don't match up with ours.

01:57:38.000 We should be worried in the sense that he honestly believes that the biggest catastrophe was the collapse of the Soviet Union.

01:57:46.000 And he's never believed that there was a peace dividend from the end of the Cold War.

01:57:53.000 Never, ever thought that way.

01:57:54.000 And we did.

01:57:55.000 There was talk about up on Capitol Hill after the end of the Cold War, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, we could shut down the CIA. What do we need that for anymore?

01:58:03.000 And that was the same thought that happened after World War II. World War II ended, and Harry Truman signed an order that ended the Office of Strategic Services, which was the old precursor for the CIA. Shut it down.

01:58:17.000 It took two years, two years while the Soviet Union started building up and rampaging for the president to think, you know, maybe this is actually a good idea. 0.81

01:58:27.000 So then he created the CIA at that point.

01:58:31.000 You know, we thought we were going to get some sort of dividend out of the end of that, and it just wasn't going to happen.

01:58:37.000 The Russians never, ever believed that.

01:58:38.000 Putin, in particular, and his cohorts never thought that was the case.

01:58:41.000 So, yeah, we should be concerned about Russia. 0.93

01:58:43.000 They're not going to ever be—it's not going to be a bipolar world again where they're the other major superpower.

01:58:48.000 But— In the sense that we need to deal with him realistically.

01:58:53.000 We should always talk, fine, let's have to do diplomacy.

01:58:56.000 But we just need to be pragmatic and understand, look, our interests aren't the same.

01:59:01.000 And as long as we keep that in mind, sure, talk all we want to him. 1.00

01:59:05.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:59:05.000 He's a fascinating guy. 0.99

01:59:07.000 What he did by running Russia, stepping back, and being sort of a puppet master for a while, and then jumping back in in 2012 and running it again.

01:59:16.000 Yeah.

01:59:17.000 I mean, that's the type of behavior that people are terrified of when someone is just sort of a blatant dictator masked as a democracy.

01:59:28.000 Right.

01:59:29.000 And he doesn't even really try to mask him.

01:59:30.000 Not anymore.

01:59:31.000 After 2012, he just kind of ramped it up.

01:59:34.000 Yeah.

01:59:35.000 And look, he's done in part...

01:59:37.000 And when I say that he thinks it was a catastrophe, those are his words.

01:59:42.000 He said that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century.

01:59:47.000 And he's absolutely serious about it.

01:59:49.000 So he's been trying to rebuild that in some fashion or another ever since then.

01:59:53.000 And it's not just territory, although he's done a pretty good job of that.

01:59:56.000 We forget that before Crimea...

02:00:00.000 He rolled troops into Georgia, right?

02:00:02.000 Not the state of Georgia.

02:00:03.000 I'm thinking, oh my God, really?

02:00:05.000 That doesn't make any sense.

02:00:06.000 I don't think Mike knows what he's talking about.

02:00:09.000 But into Georgia, the Republic of Georgia. 0.54

02:00:12.000 And I'll be damned, but he's still got troops there.

02:00:16.000 He's got a lot of troops there in Abkhazia and the south of Sesia. 0.92

02:00:20.000 And then he's also, obviously, he took Crimea.

02:00:23.000 And why did he take Crimea?

02:00:24.000 Well, because it's important to his fleet.

02:00:26.000 I mean, it's not going to...

02:00:28.000 It's not going to happen.

02:00:29.000 He's not going to risk losing that.

02:00:30.000 And then, you know, part of the Ukraine.

02:00:33.000 But it's not just territory that he's interested in.

02:00:35.000 It's leverage.

02:00:36.000 It's influence.

02:00:37.000 And that's where, when we go back to that conversation about the Middle East and we realize what they've been doing in the Middle East in particular, they've been active in other places, but mostly in the Middle East.

02:00:46.000 That's all part of this same process.

02:00:50.000 And so it's not a mystery why he does things.

02:00:53.000 If you take him at his base word, which we should do because he tends to say exactly what he intends to do most of the time, and not try to read our values into it, right?

02:01:06.000 Not say, well, I'm sure he doesn't mean that.

02:01:07.000 I'm sure what he means is like, you know, he's... 0.96

02:01:09.000 He wants to get to democracy eventually, but that's a lot of horseshit.

02:01:12.000 But we tend to mirror our values on other people, right?

02:01:15.000 So when we were talking about, you know, earlier about how, you know, there's not another nation out there that really kind of approaches global concerns the way that we do with a certain set of principles and desires, even if we make mistakes, and obviously we do from time to time, of course.

02:01:29.000 Then, you know, you look at Russia and you think, yeah. 0.81

02:01:32.000 You know, he doesn't do that.

02:01:35.000 He doesn't look at something and go, hmm, maybe that would be best for all of us.

02:01:40.000 I don't think he's ever had that thought.

02:01:42.000 You know, he literally is single-minded in his desire to do whatever will build back up Russian influence in the world. 0.88

02:01:49.000 So we have to be pragmatic about it and dealing with it.

02:01:51.000 And to get a better understanding of him, I think there's a great podcast between Sam Harris and Garry Kasparov, the chess champion who's a big critic of Putin who's managed to stay alive somehow or another.

02:02:03.000 Yeah.

02:02:03.000 And I guess because he's just so famous.

02:02:06.000 But that was a thing with one of his political opponents. 0.99

02:02:10.000 He thought that if he was public, he would be much less likely to be killed, and they shot him right in front of his fucking girlfriend in public. 0.99

02:02:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:02:18.000 And that's...

02:02:20.000 There have been a number of incidents like that.

02:02:22.000 There's a bunch of those.

02:02:23.000 I mean, he's on a totally different level.

02:02:25.000 But Kasparov highlights the fact that he's a former KGB agent, and he says that you have to understand the mentality of the KGB. Like, once you are KGB, you are KGB for life.

02:02:36.000 I mean, there's an extreme form of nationalism and patriotism and this loyalty to the KGB. Yeah, and he's absolutely right.

02:02:46.000 He's not going to change.

02:02:48.000 But again, we do this thing where it's basically called mirroring, right?

02:02:53.000 And then we get tripped up.

02:02:57.000 You could look at Iraq and Afghanistan as an example.

02:02:59.000 Of course they're going to love this.

02:03:01.000 They're going to love democracy because we love it, and we want to do well, and we want to improve their literacy rate, and we want to do these things.

02:03:07.000 Well, that's all great stuff.

02:03:09.000 But it doesn't work in the sense that that's not how they view things.

02:03:13.000 You know, Karzai looked at that, and that's a shitload of money that I'm going to be able to steal here. 0.98

02:03:18.000 The entire Karzai family was just completely corrupt. 0.99

02:03:21.000 And remember, there was that period of time when we just adored him. 0.70

02:03:23.000 It was adulation.

02:03:24.000 You know, how wonderful is Karzai.

02:03:26.000 Look how well he dresses. 0.98

02:03:28.000 What the hell?

02:03:30.000 Yeah, so Putin, I think, again, not in the sense that we've got some World War III coming up against Russia.

02:03:37.000 That's not the case.

02:03:38.000 That's not why we should be concerned about him.

02:03:39.000 Although you do have to, again, worry about military buildup, worry about their nuke program and what they're doing with theirs and what we're doing with ours.

02:03:52.000 Unilateral disarmament, not a good idea, whether we're talking about Putin or anybody else.

02:03:57.000 You can always want peace and you can strive for peace, but I have not seen a world that works differently.

02:04:04.000 You've got to do that through a position of strength. 0.97

02:04:06.000 I think these conversations are so important because when a guy like you talks about this, you're not talking out of your ass, and you get a chance to understand how crazy this situation is worldwide and how difficult it is and what a balancing act it is. 0.98

02:04:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:04:22.000 Yeah, it is. 0.99

02:04:22.000 And it's tough. 0.99

02:04:24.000 I wouldn't want to be the head of the State Department.

02:04:28.000 I mean, the chief diplomat.

02:04:29.000 That's a tough-ass job, right?

02:04:31.000 Yeah, you don't get any sleep.

02:04:32.000 No, but you got to do it.

02:04:33.000 And you got to keep that level.

02:04:34.000 It's just like fighting terrorism.

02:04:35.000 It's like fighting Islamic State. 0.60

02:04:36.000 You got to do it on several different levels.

02:04:38.000 Community outreach and trying to solve problems here.

02:04:42.000 Doing it militarily.

02:04:43.000 All these things have to work together.

02:04:44.000 We've got to be smart enough to do that.

02:04:46.000 So the same thing with dealing with Russia.

02:04:48.000 Yeah, you know.

02:04:48.000 But the narrative that somehow Trump, you know, was being played by Putin, was his best friend.

02:04:54.000 That's all. 1.00

02:04:54.000 I'm not buying any of that shit. 1.00

02:04:56.000 I think what we'll find is... 1.00

02:04:57.000 You need to watch more Keith Olbermann videos.

02:04:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:59.000 Oh, I know.

02:05:00.000 I know.

02:05:00.000 There's a coup!

02:05:01.000 Who doesn't love Keith Olbermann?

02:05:02.000 A silent coup!

02:05:04.000 A bloodless coup.

02:05:06.000 I think what we're going to find is what Trump probably, I think, maybe, again, who knows?

02:05:12.000 Just call him Putin's puppet, please. 0.92

02:05:14.000 Putin's puppet.

02:05:15.000 I think what he's thinking is, you know what, we need to, as an example, the military.

02:05:19.000 We've got to build up the military.

02:05:20.000 Well, he knows that, you know, he's smart enough to understand that We got that wall to fall because we outspent the hell out of the Russians. 0.94

02:05:29.000 And also part of it was Reagan.

02:05:32.000 They actually didn't know if Reagan was crazy enough to hit the button.

02:05:36.000 And so that unknowing, that uncertainty about what Reagan was all about, combined with the fact that we...

02:05:42.000 We were outspending them and they couldn't keep up.

02:05:47.000 That's what brought the Soviets eventually to realize, yeah, this is, you know, we've got to realign things because this isn't going to work.

02:05:54.000 As soon as they found out that Nancy Reagan based all of her decisions and all of her advice on astrology. 0.80

02:05:59.000 Yeah.

02:06:00.000 They were probably like, wait, what?

02:06:01.000 Yeah.

02:06:02.000 Hold on.

02:06:03.000 Get him on the phone.

02:06:04.000 We're going to need to talk this one out.

02:06:05.000 Is this real?

02:06:06.000 Is she being serious?

02:06:08.000 Astrology.

02:06:09.000 Wow.

02:06:09.000 Yeah, what was that astrologer's name?

02:06:11.000 It was Gene something.

02:06:11.000 I remember that.

02:06:12.000 Yeah.

02:06:13.000 Find out what that is.

02:06:14.000 Nancy Reagan's astrologer.

02:06:16.000 Or if we can bring up that picture of Bill Clinton again.

02:06:17.000 I never get tired of looking at that.

02:06:18.000 Ivanka.

02:06:19.000 Yeah.

02:06:19.000 Ivanka.

02:06:20.000 My favorite thing is his look to fucking Hillary. 1.00

02:06:23.000 Don't look at me. 1.00

02:06:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:24.000 What the fuck are you doing there? 1.00

02:06:26.000 Just growling at her. 1.00

02:06:28.000 That white man's bite, you know, bite her lip. 1.00

02:06:33.000 You get to almost feel his hips starting to move. 0.57

02:06:36.000 Oh, yeah.

02:06:37.000 Here it is.

02:06:38.000 Sister of Nancy Reagan astrologer, Joan Quigley.

02:06:40.000 Nancy listened religiously to what Joan had to say.

02:06:44.000 Wow.

02:06:46.000 Joan Quigley, huh?

02:06:48.000 Even the flight schedule of Air Force One.

02:06:51.000 Wow.

02:06:53.000 There's some news right now.

02:06:55.000 I don't know how big it is right now, but this is...

02:06:57.000 Trump signs order to bar some refugees signaling prioritizing Syrian Christians.

02:07:02.000 Letting Syrian Christians through? 1.00

02:07:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:07:05.000 That's ridiculous. 0.96

02:07:06.000 That they'll have priority. 1.00

02:07:07.000 How do you know that they're going to be fucking Syrian Christian? 1.00

02:07:10.000 How do you know they're really Christian? 1.00

02:07:11.000 They're going to have priority.

02:07:12.000 They'll probably be wearing a cross.

02:07:14.000 Oh, well, that's a good move.

02:07:15.000 That sounds crazy.

02:07:18.000 Identifying specific countries with Muslim majorities and carving out exceptions for minority religions flies in the face of the constitutional principle that bans a government from either favoring or discriminating against particular religions, Romero said...

02:07:31.000 This is the Trump quote.

02:07:32.000 Okay.

02:07:33.000 If you were a Muslim, you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it's almost impossible, and the reason that... 1.00

02:07:39.000 That was so unfair. 0.89

02:07:41.000 Everybody was persecuted in all fairness, but they were chopping off the heads of everybody, but more so the Christians. 1.00

02:07:47.000 How is this the president? 1.00

02:07:48.000 He's so crazy. 0.99

02:07:50.000 You know, I believe that's a run-on sentence. 0.91

02:07:51.000 It might be a little bit of a run-on.

02:07:53.000 Yeah.

02:07:53.000 Trump said in an excerpt of an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network.

02:07:57.000 Oh, thank God he's talking to them.

02:07:58.000 Is Jim Baker still on that?

02:08:01.000 Jim Baker selling food.

02:08:02.000 Have you seen Jim Baker, that video?

02:08:04.000 Let's end with this, because this is now an e-friend of mine.

02:08:09.000 Is that Tammy Faye?

02:08:09.000 Jim and Tammy Faye Baker?

02:08:10.000 Yep, Tammy Faye died from Diet Coke. 1.00

02:08:12.000 Diet Coke gave Tammy Faye brain cancer, and she died. 0.93

02:08:15.000 She just drank jugs of Diet Coke every day, and she got the cancer. 0.99

02:08:20.000 I like how people say the.

02:08:21.000 Got the cancer. 0.99

02:08:23.000 By the way, Diet Coke, I'm just fucking around. 0.99

02:08:25.000 I don't really think. 0.98

02:08:26.000 Don't sue me.

02:08:27.000 I don't really think she got cancer from that.

02:08:29.000 She probably got cancer from... 1.00

02:08:30.000 Jim Baker's dirty dick. 1.00

02:08:31.000 Coca-Cola Company on Line 4. What is this? 1.00

02:08:33.000 Apocalypse Trow?

02:08:34.000 We tried televangelist Jim Baker's survival food.

02:08:37.000 He sells survival food and he sells it as a potential base for your table.

02:08:43.000 What he wants you to do is take these buckets.

02:08:45.000 Did they pull that video down?

02:08:46.000 I think so, yeah.

02:08:47.000 Oh, no way!

02:08:48.000 Okay, so it's like the walls of water bricks.

02:08:51.000 Yeah, well, he sells these buckets of food.

02:08:53.000 They must have pulled it.

02:08:54.000 They must have had him pull it.

02:08:56.000 What was the guy's name that was running that, that runs that YouTube channel?

02:08:58.000 Let's give him his propers.

02:09:01.000 The whole video is gone, so it doesn't say the channel either.

02:09:03.000 Oh, his channel's gone?

02:09:05.000 No, the channel's not, but it doesn't say where the channel is.

02:09:07.000 Look at the sad face there.

02:09:08.000 Do a little quick search to try to find that dude's name, because he's got a bunch of really hilarious videos.

02:09:13.000 But he made a compilation of all the wackiest moments on Jim Baker's show where he tries to sell the survival food, and he's got this table that he sets down.

02:09:23.000 Instead of on legs, it's set down on these buckets of survival food that he recommends.

02:09:28.000 This is where you store your survival food.

02:09:31.000 It's sort of a mid-century modern look. 0.99

02:09:34.000 Well, it's stupid because you can't get your feet under the table then. 0.98

02:09:37.000 Here it is. 0.98

02:09:37.000 What's the dude's name? 0.98

02:09:38.000 Vic Berger.

02:09:39.000 Vic Berger presents Jim Baker's Buckets.

02:09:43.000 This is Jim Baker.

02:09:45.000 This is what he looks like now.

02:09:46.000 He's got himself a new Tammy Faye, and so he's got all those buckets of food behind him.

02:09:50.000 Oh, that's him right there.

02:09:52.000 And that's his new gal.

02:09:53.000 I could not have picked him out of a lineup.

02:09:55.000 Look at this.

02:09:55.000 So this is his buckets of food that he's selling.

02:09:58.000 It's hilarious.

02:09:59.000 And to the right, what is that?

02:10:00.000 Buckets of milk?

02:10:03.000 New bulk sampler bundle.

02:10:05.000 23,375 servings.

02:10:08.000 Wow.

02:10:08.000 Only $2,500, by the way.

02:10:10.000 Mmm, that's really a bargain.

02:10:12.000 And half of that goes to Jesus.

02:10:13.000 And look, he's got a shovel with it.

02:10:15.000 Why do you have a shovel?

02:10:17.000 Well, for eating.

02:10:18.000 I guess he's got to eat with the shovel.

02:10:20.000 He's got big portions.

02:10:20.000 Cook on that shovel.

02:10:21.000 Look at those two guys.

02:10:22.000 Jesus Christ.

02:10:23.000 Oh, man, look at that.

02:10:24.000 So you're scooping that bulk sampler bundle.

02:10:27.000 Mmm.

02:10:28.000 He's reaching in and eating it. 1.00

02:10:29.000 What the fuck is he eating? 1.00

02:10:32.000 So why does he do the shovel if he can just eat it with his hands? 1.00

02:10:34.000 Because he's an animal.

02:10:35.000 Yeah, look at that. 1.00

02:10:35.000 That's how he eats pussy, too. 1.00

02:10:37.000 With his hands. 1.00

02:10:37.000 Just gets right in there. 1.00

02:10:38.000 Just picks him up by the ass. 1.00

02:10:39.000 He got that from Bill Clinton. 1.00

02:10:40.000 Let me see Bill Clinton one more time.

02:10:43.000 Yeah, let's end on the Bill Clinton.

02:10:44.000 No, you gotta end on the Bill Clinton.

02:10:45.000 One more time.

02:10:46.000 Oh, look at that.

02:10:47.000 That looks super...

02:10:47.000 That's like curry.

02:10:48.000 It looks very appetizing.

02:10:50.000 It's like a wonderful butterscotch pudding.

02:10:54.000 And who doesn't want, if there's an apocalypse, who doesn't want to just have buckets of pudding lying around?

02:10:59.000 Yeah.

02:11:00.000 Oh, look, you mix it.

02:11:01.000 Oh, I see.

02:11:02.000 Good, so that's what the shovel's for.

02:11:04.000 Yeah.

02:11:04.000 Jesus Christ, he is going to have diarrhea like nobody's business as soon as this commercial's over.

02:11:08.000 Oh, and she's eating it with her hands, too. 0.51

02:11:10.000 Oh, she uses a spoon. 1.00

02:11:11.000 The new Tammy Faye.

02:11:11.000 Yeah.

02:11:12.000 Yeah, powerful.

02:11:13.000 Good times.

02:11:14.000 So let's pull up that Ivanka video one more time.

02:11:18.000 We'll watch this, and then we'll send you off into the business.

02:11:20.000 You want to give a plug to your security company?

02:11:23.000 You know, I'm always happy to mention a diligence for all your intelligence and security risk mitigation needs.

02:11:29.000 You work with, like, corporations and stuff?

02:11:31.000 There it is.

02:11:31.000 We do, yeah.

02:11:32.000 Oh, here we go.

02:11:32.000 Here we go.

02:11:33.000 Hey, Ivanka.

02:11:35.000 Yeah, good job.

02:11:37.000 Good job, Ivanka.

02:11:38.000 Biting that lower lip.

02:11:40.000 If you just started gyrating right now.

02:11:43.000 Here it comes.

02:11:43.000 Here comes the look.

02:11:45.000 She's just glaring at him.

02:11:47.000 Oh, there it is.

02:11:48.000 She took a deep breath.

02:11:51.000 Look at her face.

02:11:53.000 Oh, man.

02:11:53.000 She nods.

02:11:55.000 Oh, baby. 1.00

02:11:55.000 She nods, and she's fucking burning on him. 1.00

02:11:58.000 Oh! 1.00

02:12:01.000 That look.

02:12:03.000 She is so pretty, though.

02:12:04.000 She looks like a young Tracy Lourdes. 0.88

02:12:05.000 And on that note, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to wrap it up, Mike Baker.

02:12:10.000 Joe, thank you very much.

02:12:11.000 Thank you, brother.

02:12:12.000 Thanks for coming back.

02:12:12.000 If the world falls apart, we'll see you in six months.

02:12:14.000 Please do.

02:12:15.000 Can you explain to us what happened and what went wrong?

02:12:17.000 I'll do it.

02:12:18.000 I'll do it.

02:12:18.000 You got my word.

02:12:19.000 Alright folks, that's it.

02:12:20.000 We will be back on Sunday.

02:12:22.000 So we're not going to be here for the Fight Companion on Saturday, but we're going to play the fights and not watch them.

02:12:28.000 So I'm not watching them on Saturday night.

02:12:30.000 I'm going to record them here, and then we're going to come in on Sunday, and it's going to be Brendan Schaub, Eddie Bravo, Brian Callen, and my pal Jimmy Burke. 0.95

02:12:38.000 It's going to be a good goddamn time, folks.

02:12:40.000 So if you want to get in with us, Sunday, 7pm Pacific. 0.96

02:12:44.000 Don't watch the fights before then.

02:12:46.000 We'll have it on record.

02:12:47.000 We'll probably fast forward through the commercials.

02:12:49.000 I don't know how we're going to do that.

02:12:50.000 We'll figure it out.

02:12:51.000 See you soon.

02:12:52.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 27, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #907 - Mike Baker

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