The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #917 - Steven Crowder

00:00:00.000 Write it, and we'll do it live!

00:00:01.000 We'll do it live! 1.00

00:00:09.000 Fuck it! 1.00

00:00:09.000 We'll do it live! 1.00

00:00:11.000 That will go down in history, right?

00:00:13.000 As one of the all-time, like, hissy-fit celebrity moments.

00:00:16.000 It was one of the first remixes, too.

00:00:17.000 Did you ever see the Bill O'Reilly remix?

00:00:18.000 The dance remix?

00:00:20.000 I was amazed by that with Bill O'Reilly, where he was going, you know...

00:00:23.000 They're going, yeah, that's what we're going to do.

00:00:25.000 I don't know what that means to play us out!

00:00:28.000 I'm like, how do you not know what it means to play us out?

00:00:29.000 Just so angry.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, so angry.

00:00:31.000 Yeah, he's an angry man.

00:00:33.000 We were talking before the podcast started about some...

00:00:38.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:00:39.000 You don't want to talk about it?

00:00:40.000 No, I can't talk about that.

00:00:41.000 That's inside information being at Fox for years.

00:00:43.000 I can't.

00:00:45.000 Okay, I'll let it go.

00:00:46.000 But you can talk about Moby though, right?

00:00:48.000 Yeah, we can talk about Moby.

00:00:49.000 Moby says he has, like, inside information about Donald Trump, that he knows that Donald Trump talked to the Russians. 0.98

00:00:54.000 First of all, when you look at Moby with his fucking hashtag vegan t-shirt on, do you really think anybody in the Russian fucking intelligence community is talking to Moby? 0.98

00:01:02.000 Actually, it would be a brilliant ploy from the Russians. 1.00

00:01:04.000 They just give a little info to Moby, like, you go, you tell them, and he's going to do it, you know?

00:01:09.000 You should definitely leak this information.

00:01:12.000 Yes.

00:01:12.000 It will be the downfall.

00:01:14.000 Then they found out he wasn't Enya, and they made a mistake.

00:01:18.000 My mom was the wardrobe stylist, so costume designer for a show called Le Crie. 0.90

00:01:21.000 It's like the French-Canadian sort of letterman, kind of like Graham Norton in England.

00:01:24.000 So they'd have stars come in all the time, and Moby was there.

00:01:26.000 He was just a head case.

00:01:28.000 The guy was just absolutely out of his mind.

00:01:30.000 Nothing was good enough, and he would want something and then say he wanted to change it.

00:01:34.000 Like, what kind of things did you want to change?

00:01:36.000 I don't know.

00:01:37.000 I can tell you this.

00:01:38.000 There were only two people who made my mom, like, come home crying. 0.86

00:01:43.000 One was Brett Butler.

00:01:45.000 Brett Butler from?

00:01:47.000 Grace Under Fire.

00:01:48.000 Oh, well, she was all pilled out of her head. 0.99

00:01:50.000 Yeah, she was.

00:01:50.000 Was this in the 90s?

00:01:51.000 When she was crazy?

00:01:52.000 My mom, she was the wardrobe person. 0.86

00:01:54.000 You might have even, if you did one of the galas.

00:01:56.000 No, I never did the galas because they wanted me to work clean.

00:01:59.000 Did they put you on the nasty show?

00:02:00.000 Yes, I was always on the nasty show.

00:02:02.000 And then I was on my own shows.

00:02:03.000 After a while, I would do my own shows.

00:02:05.000 But the gala, they were always like, you have to be clean.

00:02:07.000 I'm like, not interested.

00:02:09.000 Not interested in being clean for Canadian TV for no money.

00:02:12.000 Thanks, though.

00:02:13.000 The flip side is the nasty show.

00:02:15.000 Just don't market it that way.

00:02:16.000 Just make the show.

00:02:17.000 Everyone would come in like, I'm going to the nasty show.

00:02:19.000 Yeah, but they liked it.

00:02:20.000 Like, they would go to see it, and it would be like the way that the festival would sort of differentiate.

00:02:26.000 I don't know.

00:02:27.000 I don't know.

00:02:27.000 Not the worst name for a show.

00:02:29.000 I guess.

00:02:30.000 It just seems like they're little kids in the schoolyard.

00:02:32.000 Like, he said a bad word.

00:02:33.000 Like, we know comedians.

00:02:34.000 It's going to be a raw show.

00:02:36.000 Dirty! 0.97

00:02:36.000 Dirty people! 0.97

00:02:38.000 Nasty! 1.00

00:02:39.000 Speaking of nasty, we are gentlemen today, and we have pipes. 0.98

00:02:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:42.000 Because Crowder had a...

00:02:43.000 I don't think we said that.

00:02:44.000 I'm Crowder, by the way.

00:02:45.000 I don't think we even mentioned it.

00:02:46.000 No, I don't ever do that.

00:02:47.000 We just start talking.

00:02:49.000 Steven Crowder, who's from Louder with Crowder, his internet show, and he has a thing on his internet show where you have like a little pipe rack.

00:02:58.000 What would you call them?

00:02:59.000 Yeah, a pipe rack.

00:02:59.000 Like a trolley.

00:03:00.000 Would you call it a trolley?

00:03:01.000 Just a pipe rack.

00:03:01.000 Pipe rack, okay.

00:03:03.000 I wanted to come up with a better name.

00:03:04.000 You wanted to come up with a better name?

00:03:05.000 So you went to Mr. Rogers' neighborhood right away, the trolley.

00:03:07.000 So I saw it and I said, I've always wanted to smoke a pipe, man.

00:03:11.000 I just think they smell good.

00:03:12.000 Yeah.

00:03:13.000 Have you, did you smell that?

00:03:13.000 It'd be a fun thing to do.

00:03:14.000 Smell that.

00:03:14.000 That's actually from my brother out there.

00:03:16.000 That's called Seersucker. 0.91

00:03:17.000 So your brother's a serious pipe.

00:03:19.000 He knows more than I do, yeah.

00:03:21.000 So isn't this like, a seersucker's a type of suit, right?

00:03:24.000 I know, but that's what they call it.

00:03:25.000 Oh, so they call this seersucker?

00:03:26.000 There's all kinds of weird names, like Lane 1Q is really common.

00:03:29.000 It smells actually really good.

00:03:30.000 It smells really nice.

00:03:30.000 It's interesting.

00:03:31.000 And then you have English blends, which he smokes.

00:03:33.000 We don't want to do that now.

00:03:34.000 It's super heavy nicotine, but like Latakia, you get some Perique. 0.99

00:03:37.000 It's very smoky, like incense-y, barbecue-y.

00:03:40.000 I have some Dunhill Nightcap, which it'll put you to sleep, though.

00:03:44.000 So how much You put in the pipe.

00:03:46.000 Like a pinch?

00:03:47.000 Yes, no, here's the rule.

00:03:49.000 What you're going to do is put it up to the brim.

00:03:50.000 Up to the brim.

00:03:51.000 Just kind of the brim.

00:03:52.000 Pack it in there.

00:03:52.000 No, no, don't pack it in yet.

00:03:53.000 Oh, okay.

00:03:54.000 The general rule is the first, when you tamp it down with your finger, the strength of a child.

00:03:58.000 Then you fill it again, the strength of a woman.

00:04:00.000 Then you fill it a third time with the strength of a man.

00:04:03.000 Okay, so child?

00:04:04.000 Yeah, just barely.

00:04:06.000 Now a little more.

00:04:07.000 Strength of a woman.

00:04:07.000 Well, what kind of a woman, man?

00:04:09.000 Like a Chris Cyborg woman? 1.00

00:04:10.000 No, not like a Cyborg.

00:04:10.000 Let's not talk about that, because that can go sideways in this show.

00:04:13.000 Okay, woman... 1.00

00:04:14.000 It's already gone sideways, the fact that I said her name.

00:04:17.000 She's like Candyman. 0.99

00:04:18.000 I'm going to fudge, Joe!

00:04:20.000 And then a man.

00:04:21.000 What kind of a man?

00:04:22.000 Like a Moby man, or like me?

00:04:25.000 Um...

00:04:26.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:04:27.000 Well, Nakejir just is arm-wrestling Courtney, who's like super CrossFit extraordinaire this week. 0.98

00:04:32.000 She's really strong.

00:04:33.000 She can like squat 265. Whoa, that's a lot. 0.98

00:04:36.000 But I think he's gonna smoke her in the arm-wrestling. 1.00

00:04:37.000 Why do you think that?

00:04:39.000 Well, people can tune in and watch.

00:04:40.000 I think because he's a man.

00:04:41.000 Wow, sexist.

00:04:43.000 I am, yeah, right away.

00:04:43.000 Well, she thinks he's going to win, too.

00:04:45.000 Wow.

00:04:45.000 But the bet is like 74. Yeah.

00:04:47.000 So you tamp that down.

00:04:48.000 Tamp it?

00:04:49.000 Okay.

00:04:49.000 Like, what you want is to be a little springy.

00:04:51.000 Okay, I got a little springy there.

00:04:52.000 Yeah, a little springy.

00:04:53.000 Like running on moss, perhaps?

00:04:54.000 Yes, yes, exactly.

00:04:56.000 Okay.

00:04:57.000 And then, I didn't have a lighter, so you got matches.

00:04:59.000 You got to follow in here, too.

00:05:00.000 I do.

00:05:00.000 So what you do is you light it once, and that's what we call the charring light.

00:05:03.000 So what you're going to do is you're going to see that tobacco.

00:05:05.000 Oh, this is already turning me off.

00:05:06.000 I know, I know, I know.

00:05:06.000 It's too involved.

00:05:07.000 By the way, only tobacco in that pipe or it'll ruin the briar.

00:05:11.000 Even if I put weed in there, it'll fuck it up?

00:05:13.000 Well, you won't be able to taste the tobacco from there forward.

00:05:15.000 Yeah, because it'll taste like something better than tobacco.

00:05:17.000 So, around in a circle.

00:05:18.000 Yeah, around in a circle. 0.99

00:05:19.000 Do I suck on it while I do it? 1.00

00:05:21.000 Suck on it while you do it. 1.00

00:05:22.000 Oh, gosh. 1.00

00:05:22.000 And then you're going to see that tobacco kind of raise up. 1.00

00:05:26.000 So puff it.

00:05:27.000 Keep puffing on it.

00:05:28.000 Yeah, and then you tamp it down one more time once it goes out, and then you light it again.

00:05:34.000 Okay.

00:05:35.000 This is super involved.

00:05:36.000 I know it is.

00:05:37.000 It's not something you just kind of light and go, and it won't last long on the show.

00:05:41.000 Hold up.

00:05:42.000 Immediate head rush, by the way.

00:05:43.000 Really?

00:05:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:44.000 By the way, don't inhale it.

00:05:45.000 Just puff it.

00:05:46.000 Too late.

00:05:48.000 How about pot smoker, bro?

00:05:50.000 Well, you don't want to inhale that.

00:05:51.000 There's no filter on that. 1.00

00:05:52.000 What are you, pussy? 1.00

00:05:53.000 Well, I'm saying that's like, you'll get actual chunks of tobacco in your lungs. 1.00

00:05:56.000 There's no filter.

00:05:57.000 That's a big, big...

00:05:58.000 Maybe you will.

00:06:00.000 Well!

00:06:00.000 Not me, bro.

00:06:01.000 Probably.

00:06:01.000 You toss the matches over here?

00:06:02.000 Maybe you, bro.

00:06:03.000 But smell that, though.

00:06:04.000 Doesn't that smell nice?

00:06:07.000 I gotta stop inhaling it.

00:06:09.000 Now, do I use a lighter?

00:06:11.000 Can I use a lighter?

00:06:11.000 Yeah, as long as it's not a jet lighter, because that'll damage the briar.

00:06:15.000 So, like I said, it's not a...

00:06:20.000 I like it.

00:06:22.000 I feel like a distinguished gentleman.

00:06:25.000 Like, who's that, uh...

00:06:26.000 Nigel Farage?

00:06:28.000 No.

00:06:28.000 No, he's not that distinguished.

00:06:30.000 He's an asshole, but he's a lot of fun. 0.99

00:06:33.000 It's fun to listen to him talk to people. 1.00

00:06:34.000 I love when you guys had that thing when he...

00:06:37.000 Oh, the Thug Life?

00:06:38.000 Yeah, the Thug Life thing.

00:06:39.000 It was hilarious.

00:06:40.000 Not Gay Jared came over and gave you a lap dance. 0.92

00:06:42.000 I was a queen. 1.00

00:06:43.000 You guys were getting silly. 0.98

00:06:44.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:06:45.000 We got word that Nigel liked that show.

00:06:46.000 I don't know how true it is, but...

00:06:47.000 Well, you guys are one of the very few...

00:06:50.000 I mean, you're a conservative guy, but I would say, you get a bad rap, dude.

00:06:54.000 You really do.

00:06:55.000 And that's one of the reasons why I like you, is because you are a pretty much fact-oriented guy when it comes to a lot of issues.

00:07:05.000 Political issues, social issues. 0.95

00:07:07.000 You don't bullshit, and you don't... 0.63

00:07:10.000 You don't, like, try to sway things toward one side or the other when it's not accurate.

00:07:16.000 It's not factual.

00:07:17.000 I appreciate that.

00:07:17.000 And by the way, these probably will go out.

00:07:19.000 You have to relight it because it's just kind of an art. 0.99

00:07:21.000 But I've had people talk to me about you, and they give me this bullshit take on you. 0.92

00:07:26.000 And I'm like, no, he's a smart guy. 0.98

00:07:28.000 I go, he's just, yeah, he's conservative.

00:07:31.000 Yeah, I know a lot of people that are liberal, too.

00:07:33.000 And a lot of people that are in the middle.

00:07:35.000 You can't talk to someone?

00:07:37.000 Well, I appreciate that.

00:07:38.000 And not to kiss Ashton, but people out there need to know that Joe has been incredibly fair and very kind behind the scenes.

00:07:43.000 You have every reason not to.

00:07:45.000 And I think a big reason of it, honestly, here's a good example.

00:07:48.000 The Young Turks.

00:07:49.000 And we've seen this transition with Trump or people who are really afraid to speak out now.

00:07:54.000 You're seeing that change online because the establishment has been Barack Obama.

00:07:58.000 So kids who were raised for eight years under Bush, man, I hate Bush, you know, listen to NoFX, go to the Vans Warped Tour, whatever it is.

00:08:04.000 And now they've been raised under Obama for eight years and all this political correctness is run amok and they're rejecting that.

00:08:09.000 So for the longest time, you know, I had this small YouTube channel and I was on Fox.

00:08:13.000 So I was kind of muzzled a little bit because I was there and there were certain things that I could say or couldn't say online because it was a liability.

00:08:18.000 You were a little younger.

00:08:19.000 I was youngish at the time as well.

00:08:20.000 I was 21. It was hard to take you seriously.

00:08:21.000 Yeah, I was 21 years old.

00:08:22.000 Yeah, you little fresh-faced little lad.

00:08:25.000 How old are you now?

00:08:25.000 You're not even that old now.

00:08:26.000 How old are you now?

00:08:26.000 I'm 29. Yeah, you're a young fella.

00:08:28.000 Well, and so what happened is they kind of had their interpretation from whatever the Young Turks said about me.

00:08:33.000 Because when I had 50,000 subscribers, it was like their day job to go after me.

00:08:38.000 And now, when I've had Alex Jones on, we've been doing proactive parodies of the Young Turks, calling them out, asking them to debate. 0.53

00:08:44.000 They will trash talk every conservative not named Steven Crowder.

00:08:47.000 It's like I'm Voldemort.

00:08:48.000 My name won't be spoken.

00:08:49.000 When I had 50,000 subscribers, they would talk about me all the time, and they had, you know, a million or two million.

00:08:55.000 Now that's changed, and people are able to come here directly.

00:08:58.000 I feel lonely that you're not smoking a pipe.

00:08:59.000 Sorry, well, give me your lighter.

00:09:00.000 The matches are getting annoying.

00:09:01.000 Yeah.

00:09:01.000 Thank you.

00:09:03.000 So, you know, I like to think, but, you know, there's also the real possibility that people just don't like me because, you know, I'm kind of a dick. 0.99

00:09:09.000 Well, you can be a dick sometimes, but you're a funny dick. 1.00

00:09:13.000 Like, you do some funny shit. 1.00

00:09:14.000 Like, one of the things that you did that was really funny was, what was that feminist rally thing that you went to? 0.99

00:09:21.000 Was this the recent one where it was a tranny? 1.00

00:09:23.000 Yeah.

00:09:24.000 And I actually interviewed Wendy Davis.

00:09:25.000 I don't think you're supposed to say tranny, bro.

00:09:27.000 Yeah, I don't really care.

00:09:28.000 Well, see, that's why people don't like me sometimes.

00:09:30.000 But I think now you're seeing more people say that.

00:09:32.000 They don't care.

00:09:33.000 I think it's funny when they start making words taboo.

00:09:35.000 I really do.

00:09:36.000 Like, people said tranny forever, and then all of a sudden it's, like, disparaging.

00:09:39.000 Like, okay.

00:09:40.000 I even noticed in the new Bill Burr special, he said, like, Oh, what are you gonna do? 1.00

00:09:43.000 You fucking marry? 1.00

00:09:45.000 I was like, he would have said fag four years ago. 1.00

00:09:47.000 Because he did in his special. 0.99

00:09:49.000 And he used the word Mary, talking about like a sissy.

00:09:51.000 I was like, that's not a word we ever heard him use before. 0.72

00:09:54.000 Oh, Bill uses that word.

00:09:56.000 Does he?

00:09:56.000 Yeah, that's a Boston word.

00:09:58.000 Yeah, you fucking Mary. 1.00

00:09:59.000 Yeah, people call guys Marys. 1.00

00:10:02.000 Maybe he's trying to be a little bit more politically correct.

00:10:06.000 You know what I do?

00:10:07.000 I use the word, but I do it in character. 1.00

00:10:09.000 Yeah, because you feel like if I said it, and they're like, if I say black faggot like this... 1.00

00:10:13.000 Well, I didn't say it. 1.00

00:10:14.000 Nigel said it.

00:10:15.000 That was not me.

00:10:15.000 I had this joke about tigers in Texas.

00:10:18.000 Because I don't know if you know, this is a true story from my last Netflix special.

00:10:22.000 There were more tigers in captivity in Texas.

00:10:26.000 Than there are in all of the wild of the world. 0.99

00:10:28.000 In private collections, in people's backyards, there are more tigers in Texas than the rest of the fucking planet Earth. 0.98

00:10:36.000 That is a fact. 0.99

00:10:37.000 That is a real stat.

00:10:39.000 Because they can have them.

00:10:40.000 Just a bunch of dentists who carried them back in a pickup truck?

00:10:42.000 Just dudes.

00:10:42.000 I know people that know people that have tigers.

00:10:45.000 I know people in Texas whose friends have tigers.

00:10:49.000 You can have a tiger.

00:10:50.000 Are you aware, by the way, what's the biggest cat, you probably know this, but the biggest predatory cat?

00:10:55.000 Well, ligers, but they're not viable. 0.99

00:10:57.000 They can't breed.

00:10:58.000 Well, I thought the lion at first.

00:11:00.000 Siberian tiger is so much bigger.

00:11:02.000 I went back in the Roman times, in the Colosseum.

00:11:05.000 This is what, and I can't entirely corroborate this.

00:11:07.000 I will say this, but I can corroborate it when you do.

00:11:09.000 So they would bring up the lions, and they said the lions have to be on three points and can paw, whereas the Siberian tigers would leverage back and pounce.

00:11:18.000 Yeah.

00:11:18.000 Said it wasn't even close.

00:11:20.000 Not to mention that the tigers are way bigger, but they were able to just go back on their two legs, whereas the lion has to have three points of contact, which is like a dog giving the paw.

00:11:28.000 Yeah.

00:11:29.000 Yeah.

00:11:29.000 So when I saw that, I was like, well, that's something that's pretty incredible.

00:11:32.000 Because you see a lion, I mean, you know, I saw the ghost in the darkness, and that's pretty scary.

00:11:36.000 But it's not even close. 1.00

00:11:37.000 The mountain lion will fuck you up, dude. 1.00

00:11:39.000 Like, just a small mountain lion, an 80-pound mountain lion will fuck you up. 1.00

00:11:43.000 But a Siberian tiger will fuck you up in ways you couldn't possibly imagine. 0.99

00:11:47.000 Well, I have a dog, Hopper, Doggo Argentino. 0.99

00:11:50.000 Oh, those are big dogs.

00:11:51.000 They're quite sketched, too.

00:11:53.000 They're not.

00:11:54.000 They're not.

00:11:54.000 You gotta train them good, but they're sketch.

00:11:56.000 Well, he ran for president with Dean Cain, and he had like a few hundred votes, which I felt bad about, because it was a gag.

00:12:01.000 So who knows if that changed the state of Michigan.

00:12:03.000 But, by the way, if it starts going out, you put two fingers over, kind of create a slipstream, and suck it in, and it'll give you, probably not now, you probably need to relight it.

00:12:10.000 It's not like a cigar.

00:12:11.000 It's not good to talk and smoke a pipe.

00:12:13.000 It's meant to be more contemplative.

00:12:15.000 Bertrand Russell used to smoke a pipe.

00:12:17.000 Did he?

00:12:18.000 I don't know if you know that.

00:12:19.000 Why are you doing the voice?

00:12:21.000 You need to say a bad word with the voice.

00:12:22.000 Bertrand Russell used to speak.

00:12:23.000 And he was a trainee.

00:12:25.000 It was one of the things like he wanted to fly and he would only fly if he could smoke on the plane because he was so addicted to tobacco that he had to constantly smoke.

00:12:34.000 There he is.

00:12:34.000 Look at him.

00:12:35.000 Look at him.

00:12:36.000 Such a distinguished gentleman.

00:12:37.000 Every time smoking a pipe.

00:12:40.000 That's how he would speak.

00:12:41.000 But it is very relaxing because it's kind of like jujitsu.

00:12:45.000 You've used the term moving meditation.

00:12:46.000 Mm-hmm.

00:12:47.000 When you're sitting down there outside at the end of the day, if you don't focus on it, it's going to go out.

00:12:51.000 It's not like a cigar, it's not like a cigarette.

00:12:53.000 So you have to sit there and focus on the draw, focus on the exhale, and all you're thinking about is the pipe.

00:12:59.000 So it really is kind of a contemplative art. 0.99

00:13:00.000 No, you're getting fucked up on tobacco. 0.99

00:13:02.000 Why are you lying, man? 1.00

00:13:04.000 You're lying to people.

00:13:07.000 What were we talking about before that?

00:13:08.000 Tigers in Texas.

00:13:09.000 There's more Tigers in Texas.

00:13:10.000 Oh, okay, so Doggo Argentinos.

00:13:11.000 You're a little more scatterbrained than me, dude.

00:13:12.000 You're going all over the place.

00:13:13.000 If you run a YouTube search on Doggo Argentino mountain lions, you will see Doggo Argentinos messing up actual mountain lions.

00:13:20.000 Yeah, you know why?

00:13:21.000 Because the mountain lion wants to get away.

00:13:22.000 It's probably true.

00:13:23.000 The mountain lion doesn't want to fight to the death.

00:13:25.000 The mountain lion is a predatory animal.

00:13:26.000 Predatory animals don't necessarily fight to the death. 0.99

00:13:28.000 It's one of the reasons why dogs are so fucking dangerous, because dogs are bred to not feel pain, not recognize pain. 0.98

00:13:34.000 That's one of the things about pit bulls. 0.99

00:13:35.000 They're not the biggest, strongest dogs, but they're bred to ignore pain.

00:13:39.000 And that drive to attack and ignore pain makes them very problematic.

00:13:44.000 You just used the word problematic.

00:13:46.000 Let's ban that word. 0.79

00:13:47.000 I love that word.

00:13:49.000 Especially when I'm smoking a pipe.

00:13:52.000 But yeah, that's what they're bred for.

00:13:55.000 They're actually really people-oriented because they're bred to be protective of people and hunt with people.

00:13:58.000 So they're not bred to fight dogs.

00:14:00.000 Right.

00:14:00.000 So a lot of actually people, that's why we got Hopper as a rescue.

00:14:04.000 Out in Michigan, a lot of guys in the inner cities bought them thinking, this is like a bigger pit bull.

00:14:10.000 They're going to be great dogfighters.

00:14:11.000 They were horrible and they just got abandoned.

00:14:13.000 So there's all kinds of doggos out there in Western Michigan.

00:14:16.000 I don't know if there still are.

00:14:18.000 Wild doggos?

00:14:18.000 Well, just our dog, Hopper.

00:14:20.000 Aw, look how cute.

00:14:22.000 That looks very much like our dog, Hopper.

00:14:23.000 Look how cute fella. 1.00

00:14:24.000 They're so big.

00:14:25.000 Such a big dog.

00:14:26.000 Well, ours is a little bit of a runt.

00:14:27.000 He's about 90 pounds because we found him with a broken leg, a roam on the streets, alopecia, Lyme disease.

00:14:34.000 So you rescued him right off the street?

00:14:36.000 Well, no.

00:14:36.000 He was rescued into a lady who specialized in doggos.

00:14:40.000 And then we took him from her.

00:14:41.000 And he's the most people-oriented dog we've ever seen.

00:14:45.000 I mean, to the point where he'll actually...

00:14:47.000 The biggest problem you have is if you stop petting him and you don't know him, he'll growl for you to keep petting him.

00:14:52.000 So kids are like, okay!

00:14:53.000 And they're terrified.

00:14:54.000 Well, that seems like a dicky dog.

00:14:56.000 Yeah, a little bit. 0.92

00:14:57.000 He's needy.

00:14:58.000 I have a dog called a Regency Mastiff.

00:15:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:01.000 Those are no joke.

00:15:01.000 Yeah, it's a Neapolitan that's bred with a pit bull, so they're about 140 pounds.

00:15:07.000 He's great.

00:15:08.000 My kids ride him.

00:15:09.000 Like, literally ride him.

00:15:10.000 They get on top of him, and he'll just walk around.

00:15:12.000 You're going to get PETA on you for that now.

00:15:14.000 They shouldn't be riding dogs! 0.96

00:15:15.000 He's older now.

00:15:16.000 Poor fella.

00:15:17.000 He's like 11. He's got some hip problems.

00:15:19.000 He walks with a limp.

00:15:21.000 Well, thank you for having me back, even though part of your audience doesn't like it, but it's changed now.

00:15:26.000 Dude, just stop.

00:15:26.000 Don't be defensive.

00:15:27.000 Don't say that.

00:15:28.000 Don't worry about that.

00:15:28.000 Have you noticed a change kind of in the air of Trump?

00:15:31.000 Well, culturally, I think there's, I know this sounds like a broken record, but counterculture-wise, you have a lot of people who were afraid to even speak up, even from the last time I was on the show, where they've been called racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic as a new thing, where everyone's going, you know what?

00:15:45.000 Alright, fine.

00:15:46.000 Let's go with that.

00:15:46.000 I think if you were to hold the election today, Donald Trump would win in a landslide.

00:15:51.000 Wouldn't even be close.

00:15:52.000 Really?

00:15:52.000 Yeah.

00:15:53.000 That's because of how bad the behavior has been from the left.

00:15:55.000 The rest of America...

00:15:57.000 I had my Uber driver coming here, and she believed every lie.

00:16:00.000 Her name... 0.86

00:16:00.000 She was a Latino woman. 0.86

00:16:02.000 Why ever talk to Uber drivers about politics?

00:16:04.000 That always seems to end in a TMZ video.

00:16:06.000 That would explain why I have a 4.2 rating.

00:16:07.000 So I'm right at the threshold of losing my Uber privileges.

00:16:10.000 Are you serious?

00:16:12.000 So, like, you get a rating as a customer?

00:16:14.000 Yeah, you get a rating as a customer.

00:16:15.000 What's a good rating?

00:16:16.000 A 10?

00:16:17.000 You have a 4.2?

00:16:18.000 No, no, it's 5. It's at a 5. Oh, that's not that bad.

00:16:20.000 No, it's not that bad.

00:16:21.000 But if you go under 4, you're out.

00:16:24.000 No.

00:16:24.000 Yeah, you're out.

00:16:25.000 So you go, like, someone could find you right now.

00:16:27.000 Uber drivers could, like, unite.

00:16:28.000 Yeah.

00:16:29.000 And blackball you. 0.99

00:16:30.000 Well, my friend, I can't say his name because it's illegal, actually had his concealed carry with him in an Uber and he forgot his magazine and that person rated him like a one.

00:16:38.000 So it took one bad rating to drop his score because he had to call him and say, hey, I think I forgot something in the back of your car.

00:16:45.000 And they're like, well, what is it?

00:16:47.000 Um...

00:16:48.000 Like a magazine?

00:16:49.000 He's like, oh, like a People magazine?

00:16:50.000 He's like, no, just look.

00:16:52.000 And the guy was just on the phone with him saying, what did you do in my car?

00:16:56.000 And he just said, I was going to the range.

00:16:57.000 He wasn't.

00:16:58.000 He carries a gun on him everywhere he goes.

00:17:00.000 But this lady... 1.00

00:17:02.000 Uber, LA. She decided to start talking about it, talking about the women's march and stuff, so it's hard for me to say nothing.

00:17:08.000 But we ended up on very good terms.

00:17:09.000 This is a different story.

00:17:10.000 This is not the magazine.

00:17:11.000 This is not the magazine story.

00:17:13.000 And she... 1.00

00:17:13.000 Are you on drugs right now? 1.00

00:17:15.000 Any speed or anything?

00:17:16.000 I don't do drugs.

00:17:16.000 You're very quick.

00:17:17.000 Everything's going quick.

00:17:18.000 Well, once you settle into the show...

00:17:20.000 Well, I had that nitro coffee, and I came from coffee being tea leaf, where I'd already had...

00:17:24.000 That is 270 milligrams caffeine.

00:17:26.000 So I've probably got about 500-600 milligrams.

00:17:28.000 Yeah, that's like two grande Starbucks coffees.

00:17:32.000 Seriously.

00:17:32.000 I think we've gotten to the middle of that mystery.

00:17:34.000 Like Avanti's 200?

00:17:36.000 Yeah, it's closing in on two Grandes. 0.69

00:17:39.000 But she said, she's like, well, Donald Trump called all Mexicans rapists.

00:17:42.000 I said, no. 0.99

00:17:43.000 She goes, Donald Trump is going to ruin gay rights.

00:17:45.000 Why are you arguing with people?

00:17:46.000 Well, because it's just in my nature.

00:17:48.000 And I said, well, why?

00:17:49.000 She goes, because Donald Trump removed the gay rights thing on the website.

00:17:52.000 I said, what about the fact that all presidents, they remove everything from the previous administration?

00:17:56.000 And they put up a whole new whitehouse.gov website.

00:17:59.000 And these people, they buy in LA, they're in such an insular bubble.

00:18:02.000 I don't think they realize that there's a whole bunch of people who voted for Donald Trump.

00:18:06.000 And I wasn't a fan of him in the primaries. 0.53

00:18:08.000 But they didn't vote for him because they're racist.

00:18:10.000 They didn't vote for him because they don't want Caitlyn Jenner to take a dump at Trump Towers. 0.99

00:18:13.000 They didn't vote for him because they hate brown people. 0.86

00:18:16.000 They voted for him because they're tired of being called all those things. 0.93

00:18:19.000 And that's why I think you see a lot of these young people who just kind of want to be instigators and provocateurs.

00:18:24.000 At the same time, they're appreciating more traditionalism and some of the values their parents try to instill in them because that's kind of more rebellious than going along with the entertainment industry.

00:18:33.000 Well, there's always this sort of longing for nostalgia that people exhibit.

00:18:37.000 There's always like, back in the good old days. 0.99

00:18:39.000 Like, back in the good old days is bullshit. 1.00

00:18:41.000 Because the good old days, you died of syphilis. 1.00

00:18:43.000 And the good old days, people got fucking plagued from rats. 0.99

00:18:47.000 Like, there's no good old days. 0.98

00:18:48.000 This is the good old days right now.

00:18:50.000 So there's always that, right?

00:18:51.000 There's always this longing for nostalgia.

00:18:54.000 I think you're right with some people, but for sure there's some people that are racist that voted for Donald Trump just because some people are racist.

00:19:01.000 Sure, yeah, of course.

00:19:02.000 But to try and paint, I mean, if you look at the numbers, a huge percentage of people who voted for Barack Obama had to have voted for Donald Trump, particularly in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

00:19:09.000 There just aren't the numbers there.

00:19:11.000 Well, don't you think that they probably voted for him, a lot of it is for economic reasons, because they thought that he's going to loosen up some regulations, encourage industry?

00:19:20.000 I think it's the opposite.

00:19:22.000 I think a lot of the union voters, they thought Hillary Clinton was in the pocket of Goldman Sachs, and they thought Donald Trump, his sort of economic protectionism, is going to bring jobs back to the Midwest.

00:19:31.000 Right, like encourage.

00:19:33.000 Encourage industry.

00:19:33.000 But that's one of the things I disagree with him on.

00:19:35.000 I disagree with the idea of, for example, I've been in Michigan.

00:19:38.000 The unions have a stranglehold.

00:19:39.000 I would rather GM be able to move to Texas or anywhere they want to be competitive in the car market.

00:19:44.000 But I can't even get to that because as soon as I'm going, you know, Donald Trump made a mistake here.

00:19:49.000 I disagree with him because then there's a women's march where they're lighting hair on fire and calling him literally Hitler.

00:19:54.000 They're lighting hair on fire?

00:19:55.000 What do you mean?

00:19:56.000 At the women's march, girl got her hair lit on fire. 1.00

00:19:57.000 A girl? 1.00

00:19:58.000 Yeah, by someone with one of those pussy hats. 1.00

00:20:00.000 See, you know what, man? 1.00

00:20:01.000 The thing about that stuff is it's always one fucking person or a couple people out of hundreds of thousands that are acting in that mob mentality and doing violent shit. 0.99

00:20:11.000 Incorrect. 0.99

00:20:12.000 Oh, come on, man. 1.00

00:20:12.000 There's not that many people that do violent shit at those women's marches. 1.00

00:20:15.000 That's why there was no arrests. 0.99

00:20:17.000 No.

00:20:17.000 Well, there were no arrests at the Lansing protest either, where they cut down a tent with box cutters.

00:20:22.000 What's the Lansing protest?

00:20:24.000 When I went right to work.

00:20:25.000 That was a big thing, where I was there.

00:20:27.000 But even the inauguration protests...

00:20:29.000 Was that the one you got punched?

00:20:30.000 Yeah, I did get punched.

00:20:31.000 Yeah.

00:20:32.000 So that wasn't fun.

00:20:32.000 That was hilarious.

00:20:33.000 That guy couldn't punch.

00:20:34.000 Well, I know, but when you're not expecting...

00:20:36.000 Why throw a punch when you don't know how to punch?

00:20:38.000 Like, come on, fella.

00:20:38.000 Well, think about everywhere leftists gather, though.

00:20:40.000 Whether it's Woodstock back then, Woodstock 99, Occupy Wall Street...

00:20:45.000 Woodstock back then was violent?

00:20:45.000 Yes!

00:20:46.000 No!

00:20:47.000 There were so many rapes! 0.98

00:20:49.000 There were so many rapes! 0.98

00:20:50.000 How do you know?

00:20:50.000 Were you there?

00:20:51.000 There were reports of rapes that occurred.

00:20:53.000 Were they rape rapes, or were they like... 1.00

00:20:55.000 I think back then they were rape rapes. 0.91

00:20:57.000 Back then, Lena Dunham wasn't, you know, shoving fast food napkins in her sister's cooch, claiming she was raped because she saw the condom in a potted plant. 0.98

00:21:05.000 What? 0.76

00:21:06.000 Lena Dunham. 0.86

00:21:07.000 She claimed she was raped because she saw the condom on a plant after she was drunk on muscle relaxers.

00:21:11.000 I feel like we always go back to Lena Dunham.

00:21:12.000 Yeah.

00:21:13.000 I didn't know about that story.

00:21:15.000 I knew that there was some sort of a gross interaction with her younger sister. 0.87

00:21:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:19.000 She was reaching in her vagina. 1.00

00:21:23.000 But the point is, anywhere leftists gather, there is always violence. 0.99

00:21:27.000 Don't you think that's a giant exaggeration?

00:21:29.000 I mean, when the Women's March in LA had no violence, there was no arrest, there was no nothing.

00:21:33.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:21:33.000 You say there was no violence, but people said there was no violence at all these other marches, right?

00:21:37.000 But I have a bunch of friends that went...

00:21:39.000 Again, it's like isolated incidents.

00:21:41.000 When you have to look at a trend, I'm not saying everyone.

00:21:45.000 If you've got a million people in LA, a million people marched, it's 970,000 people.

00:21:50.000 But you have way more than that with the Tea Party, which was accused of being racist.

00:21:53.000 Wait a minute, there was never way more than that.

00:21:55.000 No, no, no.

00:21:57.000 You never had a march in LA that had more people than $970,000 for the Tea Party.

00:22:02.000 Yeah, more people across the country with the Tea Party.

00:22:04.000 There's no way.

00:22:05.000 Hold on a second. 0.99

00:22:06.000 Not a march in pussy hats.

00:22:07.000 So the day of the Women's March, when there were hundreds of thousands of people all over the country marching together in one day, there was never a movement like that for the Tea Party.

00:22:17.000 Yes, there was.

00:22:17.000 A day where the Tea Party had...

00:22:19.000 The one day was Glenn Beck's 400,000 in Washington, D.C. Okay, that's less than was in L.A. Right.

00:22:27.000 For the Women's March.

00:22:28.000 But across the country, because there were so many...

00:22:30.000 Like in Dallas, there were four or five different ones across Dallas.

00:22:32.000 In the same day.

00:22:33.000 In the same day.

00:22:35.000 Come on! 0.61

00:22:35.000 Yeah, in the same day. 0.61

00:22:36.000 Now, not in one city, I'll give you that.

00:22:38.000 How many different cities had a march like that?

00:22:41.000 For the Tea Party?

00:22:42.000 Yeah.

00:22:42.000 They were in hundreds of cities.

00:22:43.000 Hundreds of cities simultaneously in one day, and it was bigger than the Women's March.

00:22:47.000 Certainly comparable.

00:22:49.000 Well, comparable does not mean bigger.

00:22:50.000 Well, certainly comparable, not a single incident, and they left the places cleaner than they found them.

00:22:54.000 You look at Occupy Wall Street, over 500 crimes, including felonies.

00:22:58.000 You look at the Women's March.

00:22:59.000 Let's disregard the crime. 0.99

00:23:00.000 People up there with pussy hats, bringing their two-year-old with the most profane, disgusting signs you can imagine. 0.99

00:23:06.000 When leftists congregate, it's generally not a peaceful assembly. 0.98

00:23:11.000 Not in the same way as when people who are right-wing congregate.

00:23:13.000 Look at Berkeley.

00:23:14.000 Jake Shields, a vegan from Berkeley, is becoming a conservative.

00:23:18.000 He's a vegetarian.

00:23:18.000 Sorry, vegetarian from Berkeley is becoming conservative because he just said this was the rule, not the exception in Berkeley.

00:23:25.000 Well, I know Jake.

00:23:26.000 He's a buddy of mine.

00:23:27.000 And essentially he was saying that these people that were doing what they're claiming they're fighting fascists, he's like, you're being a fascist.

00:23:34.000 Do you understand what a fascist means?

00:23:36.000 Right.

00:23:36.000 Using violence to enforce your ideology and you're tolerating no deviations from that ideology.

00:23:43.000 That is being a fascist.

00:23:44.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:23:45.000 This pipe smoke, it blows, bro.

00:23:47.000 Well, you have to do it on your own.

00:23:48.000 It takes too much effort.

00:23:50.000 Well, we had him on the show, and he was saying, like, you know, it's changed.

00:23:53.000 We're the left.

00:23:53.000 We need to call this out, and we need to take ownership over this, and we need to squash it, because it's becoming a real problem.

00:24:00.000 It's also a problem when you say the left, the left or the right, because it's not necessarily just the left. 1.00

00:24:05.000 It's these fucking idiots that go to these things and put masks on and want to beat people up and mace women. 1.00

00:24:10.000 I saw that girl with a Make Bitcoin Great Again hat. 1.00

00:24:13.000 She had a joke hat and someone hit her over the head with a stick that was holding up a sign and then another guy maced her in the face. 1.00

00:24:22.000 At inauguration, you had people getting pulled out of cars, getting punched, you know, Occupy Wall Street, you had people putting bloody rags on tents that they claimed had AIDS. I mean, anywhere, again, just go back through history in the last decade, it's very different.

00:24:33.000 And not saying all left, right?

00:24:35.000 You have to speak in generalities to save time.

00:24:37.000 But as a general rule, if you look at The right, if you look at, for example, the Tea Party, you look at the movement, people who were complaining about the stimulus package, you look at people with economic problems with Barack Obama, they didn't riot, they didn't beat people up in record numbers, there was not a single trash can lit on fire thrown through a window.

00:24:55.000 That seems to be a common occurrence at these leftist protests.

00:24:57.000 Well, it is now.

00:24:58.000 It is now.

00:24:59.000 It certainly is now.

00:25:00.000 Because they're out of power.

00:25:01.000 Well, it's also these people feel like what Donald Trump represents is the worst possible scenario for the right. 1.00

00:25:08.000 They feel like he represents this really arrogant businessman who promotes rape culture and grabbing pussies. 1.00

00:25:16.000 That's how they're looking at it. 1.00

00:25:18.000 So they're like, it's time to act.

00:25:20.000 There was some woman who was on Fox News the other day.

00:25:22.000 Who's the one, that dude, Tucker Carlson?

00:25:24.000 Tucker Carlson.

00:25:25.000 Yeah.

00:25:26.000 Is he a Fox News guy?

00:25:27.000 Yeah, he is.

00:25:27.000 He used to be CNN on Crossfire.

00:25:29.000 Right.

00:25:29.000 And he had some woman on, and she was talking about- Little Asian?

00:25:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:25:33.000 She's a fucking schoolteacher, and she was talking about beating people up. 1.00

00:25:35.000 And I was like, this is crazy. 1.00

00:25:37.000 Like, she's talking about- she called Milo Yiannopoulos, who's a gay Jew, by the way, she called him homophobic. 0.99

00:25:44.000 And prefers black men. 0.99

00:25:46.000 Yeah, I mean, but how do you call a gay guy homophobic? 0.99

00:25:49.000 Everyone's a Nazi now. 0.99

00:25:50.000 I mean, I was not for Trump in the primaries, so I get called a cuck, right? 0.87

00:25:53.000 I was like, well, listen, he's the most liberal Republican ever.

00:25:55.000 People don't want to talk about him.

00:25:56.000 He's the only president.

00:25:57.000 He was a Democrat most of his life.

00:25:58.000 He's the only president to ever take office being pro-gay marriage when he was sworn in.

00:26:02.000 Barack Obama can't even claim that.

00:26:04.000 That's true.

00:26:04.000 Donald Trump is the first person.

00:26:05.000 That's something that people need to recognize about Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:26:07.000 She was anti-gay marriage as recently as 2013. She was speaking in 2013 and she said, I believe that marriage is a bond between a man and a woman.

00:26:18.000 In 2013. And she was making arguments, too.

00:26:22.000 It wasn't like she was put on the spot and, well, I think she was out there arguing against same-sex marriage. 0.58

00:26:28.000 So, you know, my point here is they're out of power.

00:26:31.000 And so they declare everyone a Nazi.

00:26:33.000 You know, they declare me a Nazi.

00:26:34.000 They'll declare Milo a Nazi. 0.99

00:26:35.000 And so if you say, hey, it's okay to punch Nazis in the face. 0.99

00:26:38.000 If Hitler walked in here, you'd probably have a tussle with Adolf Hitler. 0.98

00:26:42.000 But it's acceptable if you make me, or even you, or Milo, equivalent to Hitler.

00:26:47.000 And that's what they're doing now.

00:26:49.000 And that's the point that I'm making, is I think because they behaved so poorly, more Americans would vote, screw you with the lever...

00:26:55.000 And vote for Donald Trump now than they did on November 8th.

00:26:58.000 I believe that.

00:26:59.000 Well, that's highly speculative.

00:27:00.000 It is highly speculative.

00:27:01.000 Mr. Crowder.

00:27:01.000 Hence the pipe.

00:27:02.000 We can speculate and ponder.

00:27:04.000 Highly speculative.

00:27:05.000 Not sure if I buy it.

00:27:07.000 Might, maybe.

00:27:08.000 But I think people are also freaking out.

00:27:10.000 They're freaking out about his appointment of a Golden Sacks executive.

00:27:14.000 They're freaking out over what's happening with that Flynn fellow who was forced to resign because he was coordinating with Russia and talking about removing sanctions before they got into office and all that stuff.

00:27:26.000 Well, that was a screw-up.

00:27:27.000 And I'm not here to defend Donald Trump.

00:27:29.000 You call it a screw-up, we call it treason in my country.

00:27:34.000 They give him a pipe, he's a whole new man.

00:27:36.000 It is delicious though, isn't it?

00:27:37.000 It's good!

00:27:38.000 It really is good. 0.99

00:27:39.000 I'm high as fuck right now. 0.99

00:27:40.000 Oh really? 0.99

00:27:40.000 Yeah, what happens is he hits some marijuana after this, probably like takes it to the next level. 0.99

00:27:46.000 But yeah, the nicotine gets you high as fuck, man. 0.98

00:27:49.000 That's pretty low in nicotine, an aromatic like that. 0.99

00:27:51.000 Yeah, but I'm a rookie.

00:27:52.000 I don't smoke any cigars.

00:27:54.000 I occasionally smoke a cigar.

00:27:56.000 Yeah.

00:27:56.000 But it's pretty occasional, like maybe once a month I'll puff a cigar.

00:28:00.000 Yeah.

00:28:00.000 Well, yeah, there you go.

00:28:01.000 You can keep that one.

00:28:02.000 That one's already broken in.

00:28:03.000 I can keep this pipe?

00:28:04.000 Yeah, because there's a real break-in process with a pipe.

00:28:07.000 It's actually, you know, you have to smoke it really slow when you first get it because the briar expands.

00:28:11.000 So, I know. 0.99

00:28:12.000 Pure faggotry. 1.00

00:28:14.000 You just said it in a different voice. 1.00

00:28:15.000 Pure faggotry and trannidim. 1.00

00:28:19.000 I don't know if that's a word, trannidim. 1.00

00:28:21.000 Trannidim. 0.63

00:28:21.000 It's okay if you say it in a different voice. 0.63

00:28:23.000 Let me present this, okay?

00:28:25.000 You take someone like a burning sanders. 1.00

00:28:26.000 You son of a bitch. 1.00

00:28:27.000 I just want you to relax. 1.00

00:28:28.000 Can I get you a drink?

00:28:29.000 Do you drink?

00:28:30.000 I get a drink.

00:28:30.000 You drink?

00:28:31.000 Get this man some whiskey.

00:28:32.000 Let's get some whiskey up in here.

00:28:34.000 We need to...

00:28:34.000 I'll take a beer if you have cold beer.

00:28:35.000 This podcast is very...

00:28:36.000 We need drink drink. 0.98

00:28:37.000 Real booze.

00:28:38.000 What do you want to talk about?

00:28:39.000 I just want to relax a little.

00:28:41.000 Okay.

00:28:41.000 I want you to be a human.

00:28:42.000 I don't want all these talking points.

00:28:44.000 These aren't talking points. 0.97

00:28:44.000 You're fired up to fucking defend the right and promote your agenda. 0.97

00:28:48.000 Well, just because I know you said people think you're an asshole because you're right wing. 1.00

00:28:51.000 I don't care what they think. 1.00

00:28:52.000 People think I'm a fucking meathead. 1.00

00:28:54.000 Well, I'm right. 1.00

00:28:55.000 There are.

00:28:55.000 I am.

00:28:56.000 In a way.

00:28:57.000 Very meathead-like.

00:28:58.000 Just because you're strong?

00:28:59.000 No. 1.00

00:28:59.000 Well, I'm fucking... 1.00

00:29:00.000 I eat meat. 1.00

00:29:02.000 I'm a cage-fighting commentator.

00:29:04.000 I look like a meathead.

00:29:05.000 There's a lot of meathead qualities that I possess, although I'm a kind person who's very open-minded and probably more left than I am right, if you looked at a giant spectrum.

00:29:16.000 I don't think so.

00:29:17.000 No?

00:29:17.000 No.

00:29:17.000 Not anymore.

00:29:18.000 I just think it's such a narrow path in the left.

00:29:20.000 They're so unaccepting of people.

00:29:21.000 That's why you've seen all this backlash.

00:29:23.000 Well, I'm very accepting in that way. 0.93

00:29:24.000 I mean, I'm very accepting even of ridiculous ideas.

00:29:26.000 I want you to talk about them. 0.64

00:29:28.000 I just think one of the real problems that I have right now with all these protesters and all these people that are going crazy and calling everybody Nazis is you're stifling communication.

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:37.000 And you're stifling the marketplace of free ideas.

00:29:40.000 I want real booze, bro.

00:29:42.000 Get out some whiskey.

00:29:44.000 What's that?

00:29:45.000 Good.

00:29:45.000 Even better.

00:29:46.000 Make it hurt.

00:29:47.000 Bring out some whiskey.

00:29:49.000 Bring out that Alex Jones whiskey.

00:29:51.000 The stuff that makes you talk about interdimensional chai molesters. 0.95

00:29:54.000 Actually, you stopped talking about Pizzagate, remember?

00:29:56.000 That was a big controversy.

00:29:57.000 Oh, you didn't when I had him on here.

00:29:58.000 Oh, really?

00:29:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:00.000 Eddie was probably instigating that. 1.00

00:30:02.000 Eddie was out of his fucking mind drunk. 0.99

00:30:03.000 He doesn't know what he did. 0.99

00:30:05.000 I remember you asked me, like, what do you think about this pizza gig thing?

00:30:07.000 I'm like, ah, I don't think it's true.

00:30:09.000 Here we go.

00:30:10.000 It may not be true, but what do you think about what Breitbart was saying, like, way back in 2011 about Podesta, that Podesta, like, shields pedophiles. 1.00

00:30:22.000 Come on, don't be a pussy. 1.00

00:30:24.000 I'm good with a beer. 1.00

00:30:25.000 I'm good with a beer.

00:30:26.000 I have to go to the airport.

00:30:27.000 You can't be drunk at the airport where everybody gets drunk.

00:30:31.000 I didn't think he gave it to me for free. 1.00

00:30:33.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:30:34.000 Gentlemen Jacks. 1.00

00:30:35.000 That gave it to you for free?

00:30:36.000 Jack Daniels did.

00:30:37.000 Yeah.

00:30:38.000 I enjoy Jack Daniels.

00:30:41.000 I've actually never had Gentlemen Jack.

00:30:43.000 I have now.

00:30:47.000 Um...

00:30:48.000 Well, because you asked me about it, and the first thing where my antenna went up with Pizzagate is they said James Aliphantus means I love kids in French.

00:30:56.000 And I know where they're trying to get it from.

00:30:58.000 It's J'aime les enfants.

00:31:00.000 That's not James Aliphantus.

00:31:02.000 So right away, when it's the first premise that I read is a lie, I'm going, all right.

00:31:07.000 Well, there was a bunch of weird ones, but there was some stuff that was like...

00:31:11.000 Really odd. 0.99

00:31:12.000 Like, the pizza place that had that symbol that is the international fucking symbol for pedophilia and child molesting. 0.99

00:31:19.000 And Beyonce's and the Illuminati. 0.98

00:31:21.000 But no, that is a symbol that the FBI admits that they use in these secret organizations when they capture pedophiles, which they do all the time, they use that symbol.

00:31:31.000 I mean, they agree upon that symbol.

00:31:33.000 It could be.

00:31:34.000 There's a lot of weirdness to it, and here's the thing.

00:31:36.000 It could be.

00:31:36.000 This is my take on it, and I don't have a side, and I'm not claiming that I have any knowledge, but they absolutely are pedophile rings.

00:31:45.000 They exist.

00:31:46.000 They've caught them before.

00:31:47.000 They've busted them before.

00:31:48.000 Look, Jerry Sandusky's kid just got busted yesterday.

00:31:51.000 That was the beauty of Michael Jackson.

00:31:53.000 The guy was so clever about it.

00:31:54.000 Think about it.

00:31:54.000 He screwed every kid in Hollywood except Macaulay Culkin.

00:31:59.000 So he's that canary in the coal mine. 0.92

00:32:00.000 Macaulay Culkin says, no, no, I go to Neverland Ranch.

00:32:02.000 He never touched me.

00:32:02.000 Yeah, that's what I would say, too.

00:32:03.000 So all the other kids are coming back.

00:32:05.000 They still swear up and down.

00:32:06.000 That's what I would say. 1.00

00:32:07.000 It's like if you went to a bachelor party and everybody got their dick sucked and your wife said, hey, what the fuck? 1.00

00:32:13.000 Bobby says he got his dick sucked. 1.00

00:32:14.000 It's not me. 1.00

00:32:15.000 I don't know.

00:32:15.000 I mean, maybe she just didn't like me.

00:32:17.000 Yeah, but Macaulay Culkin has no reason to say that now.

00:32:19.000 Yes, he does.

00:32:20.000 Really?

00:32:21.000 Yeah.

00:32:21.000 Nobody wants to know that you got molested by Michael Jackson.

00:32:23.000 You'll never get a girlfriend again.

00:32:25.000 And we get one hell of a book deal.

00:32:26.000 Come on. 1.00

00:32:27.000 She'll be about to go down on you and she'll think, oh my god, Michael Jackson smoked this dick. 1.00

00:32:32.000 Right? 1.00

00:32:33.000 Don't you think?

00:32:33.000 You'll get one hell of a book deal.

00:32:35.000 Well, you know, Andrew Breitbart, actually.

00:32:36.000 Not Breitbart the trademark.

00:32:37.000 Andrew Breitbart the name is...

00:32:39.000 I mean, he was actually the guy who got my start.

00:32:40.000 And he wrote about that, you know, Neverland Ranch.

00:32:43.000 His photographer was a pornographer who specialized in European actors who looked underage.

00:32:50.000 And so once he talked about this, the guy was fired from Neverland Ranch.

00:32:54.000 I think it was six months later he was back.

00:32:56.000 So my point with the Pizzagate stuff is there are things that are provable, like that, which people can go search Andrew Breitbart and find that story.

00:33:02.000 And because people are cocked and loaded to hate someone from the right online...

00:33:07.000 Cocked.

00:33:09.000 You really do go into a different voice with nasty words.

00:33:12.000 That was my Beavis and Butthead voice.

00:33:14.000 Because of that, I'd rather dwell on stories that we know we can prove, or commentary, because it's really easy to go, oh, Crowder was wrong with Pizzagate, or whatever it is, so there's so much there that's real.

00:33:24.000 That's where I focus.

00:33:25.000 That's my issue with Alex Jones.

00:33:26.000 Alex Jones goes super deep.

00:33:28.000 And I did not know before I had him that he was a Sandy Hook denier.

00:33:31.000 And I saw that, and it hurt my soul.

00:33:34.000 It really did.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, his son is a fan.

00:33:38.000 He's been really, really good to me in coming on the show.

00:33:41.000 He's done the Young Turks sketches with us.

00:33:43.000 I think he's doing less of the conspiracy stuff now, it seems like.

00:33:46.000 Less now.

00:33:47.000 Get him drunk.

00:33:48.000 Get him drunk and watch it come out.

00:33:51.000 Well, it doesn't surprise me.

00:33:53.000 Alex has been my friend for a long time. 0.98

00:33:55.000 He's 84% crazy. 0.58

00:33:58.000 But he's like... 0.88

00:34:01.000 It's one of those things where... 0.99

00:34:06.000 There's enough corruption and enough crazy shit in the world that if you chase it down, you're gonna find it. 0.99

00:34:12.000 Right. 1.00

00:34:12.000 It's there. 1.00

00:34:13.000 But you gotta be careful what you call corruption and what you call conspiracies.

00:34:18.000 Right. 0.72

00:34:18.000 Because there are a fuck ton of them that he's missing the mark. 0.72

00:34:22.000 Like the Sandy Hook thing.

00:34:23.000 I mean, that... 1.00

00:34:24.000 The Sandy Hook thing is so fucked. 0.99

00:34:26.000 There was a great article that was written about a guy who was a conspiracy theorist until his kid was killed at Sandy Hook. 1.00

00:34:35.000 Right. 0.99

00:34:36.000 And then realized, like, holy shit, these people are telling me that my kid didn't die. 0.99

00:34:41.000 Well, I realized how dangerous this whole thinking that the government's spraying shit in the sky for mind control and the CIA's a mind control organization. 0.99

00:34:52.000 Right. 1.00

00:34:52.000 I've been told that I'm in the fucking CIA. Oh yeah, there are people who think I'm in the Illuminati. 1.00

00:34:57.000 How do we get in?

00:34:58.000 I think they meet on Tuesdays.

00:34:59.000 Do you think you could get in?

00:35:00.000 Are you young?

00:35:02.000 Are you too old?

00:35:03.000 Are you too young, rather?

00:35:04.000 I have no idea.

00:35:04.000 I think you just need to have the all-seeing eye in one of your music videos, and you're in, like, Flint.

00:35:08.000 That is it?

00:35:09.000 You just gotta go like this, like Jay-Z? Is Jay-Z doing diamonds?

00:35:13.000 He's saying, like, diamonds?

00:35:14.000 Or is he, like, doing Illuminati?

00:35:16.000 Well, I didn't realize diamond is also, like, a black term for a lady's nether regions. 1.00

00:35:19.000 Really?

00:35:20.000 I found that in Riskay's song, Smell Yo Dick.

00:35:23.000 Did you ever hear that song on YouTube?

00:35:24.000 Yes.

00:35:25.000 I wasn't even feeling a diamond like that!

00:35:27.000 I was wild and I wasn't clown like that!

00:35:29.000 He says diamond like that, and I was like, what is this?

00:35:31.000 I wasn't feeling a diamond like that. 0.86

00:35:34.000 I've heard of white people who are out of touch with black culture. 0.87

00:35:36.000 That's me. 1.00

00:35:37.000 But that was ridiculous. 0.94

00:35:38.000 Welcome. 0.95

00:35:38.000 Welcome to me. 0.95

00:35:39.000 I didn't know.

00:35:40.000 I have to tune to Jamie, because Jamie's on black Twitter every day.

00:35:43.000 Jamie keeps, he's got a tweet deck.

00:35:45.000 Oh, the clothes down a vine must have been rough for you.

00:35:47.000 That's alright.

00:35:48.000 Jamie's got tweet deck, and he sets up one hashtag, black Twitter, and it's just all black Twitter references, and he tells me that people steal from black Twitter, and they make jokes on late night TV. Yeah, 0.57

00:36:04.000 it's a subculture. 1.00

00:36:05.000 Yeah, black Twitter, they say funny shit, and then people steal it. 1.00

00:36:08.000 Is that true, Jamie? 1.00

00:36:09.000 Is that what you said?

00:36:10.000 That's what I heard.

00:36:10.000 That's the rumor.

00:36:11.000 That is what he heard.

00:36:12.000 I've heard that too.

00:36:13.000 When did women, speaking of which, black is a subculture, right? 1.00

00:36:16.000 We talk about minority groups. 0.79

00:36:17.000 I think you need another drink.

00:36:18.000 Is there more whiskey out there?

00:36:20.000 You didn't even finish that.

00:36:21.000 No, I didn't finish it. 1.00

00:36:22.000 Come on, pussy. 1.00

00:36:23.000 That doesn't work on me. 1.00

00:36:24.000 See, you are on the Illuminati.

00:36:25.000 Feeling diamond like that?

00:36:27.000 See?

00:36:27.000 Diamond's a stripper.

00:36:28.000 Oh! 0.60

00:36:30.000 So I was wrong all this time. 1.00

00:36:32.000 Fuck this whole thing up, dude. 1.00

00:36:34.000 See, you're spreading disinformation. 1.00

00:36:35.000 How am I supposed to know Diamond's a stripper? 1.00

00:36:36.000 Smell my dick? 1.00

00:36:37.000 Wait a minute. 1.00

00:36:37.000 Hold up. 1.00

00:36:38.000 See, that's not how a bitch get her eyes swole up. 1.00

00:36:41.000 That's just lazy songwriting. 1.00

00:36:42.000 That's how a bitch get her eyes swole up? 1.00

00:36:44.000 He's promoting violence against women because she wants to smell his dick. 1.00

00:36:48.000 She beats the hell out of her. 1.00

00:36:49.000 But that's lazy songwriter. 0.60

00:36:50.000 That's not my fault.

00:36:51.000 Lazy songwriting.

00:36:52.000 They didn't even introduce the character Diamond beforehand.

00:36:54.000 How am I supposed to know?

00:36:55.000 We can't know.

00:36:56.000 That's not a racism thing.

00:36:57.000 That's a bad songwriter.

00:36:58.000 Okay, if he said, I ain't even feeling Mercedes like that, would you assume? 0.70

00:37:02.000 Okay, Mercedes is probably a stripper. 1.00

00:37:05.000 Lexus to the main stage.

00:37:06.000 Probably.

00:37:07.000 But I didn't read the lyrics, so I didn't see a capital on diamond.

00:37:10.000 I can't know this.

00:37:12.000 I was trying to be understanding of another culture.

00:37:14.000 And it backfired.

00:37:15.000 I'll give you that.

00:37:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:37:18.000 Why doesn't he just wash his dick? 1.00

00:37:22.000 Like when you go to the crab shack, they have that automatic hand cleaner? 1.00

00:37:25.000 Doesn't he have hand sanitizer he keeps in his fucking Benz? 0.99

00:37:29.000 Spray thieves essential oil like my wife is on? 1.00

00:37:32.000 Yeah, just wash your dick, bro, you dirty bitch. 1.00

00:37:34.000 Coming home with a dirty dick. 1.00

00:37:36.000 Jesus, that's like worse than adultery. 1.00

00:37:38.000 Don't cheat on your wife as a start.

00:37:40.000 That's not his wife, for sure. 0.67

00:37:42.000 First of all, that guy's definitely not married.

00:37:44.000 This is not a marriage we're talking about.

00:37:46.000 Oh, look at this, more booze.

00:37:48.000 Bring it out.

00:37:49.000 Both.

00:37:50.000 Bring them both out.

00:37:51.000 This guy needs to get drunk. 1.00

00:37:52.000 He talks too much shit. 1.00

00:37:54.000 Tell me what you want to talk about. 1.00

00:37:55.000 Everything.

00:37:56.000 Okay.

00:37:56.000 Life.

00:37:58.000 Generalities.

00:37:59.000 Okay, let's say this.

00:38:00.000 Generalities.

00:38:01.000 I've never been as mad as I was watching that Holly Holm fight.

00:38:04.000 Why?

00:38:05.000 Because of the...

00:38:06.000 Here's what I think.

00:38:07.000 I think if you hit someone after the bell and it's really clear it should be an immediate point deduction and they should be given time to recover more than a minute.

00:38:14.000 That's just an opinion.

00:38:15.000 I agree with you, but here's why I disagree with you.

00:38:19.000 I'm even more extreme.

00:38:21.000 I think that hitting someone after the bell is grounds for a disqualification.

00:38:25.000 Yeah.

00:38:25.000 Because you know You know.

00:38:29.000 Hands go down.

00:38:30.000 Your whole mindset changes.

00:38:32.000 You're not expecting it.

00:38:32.000 She definitely heard the bell.

00:38:34.000 The guy was stepping in.

00:38:35.000 She threw the shots. 0.99

00:38:37.000 It's grounds for disqualification.

00:38:39.000 I fought.

00:38:40.000 It's been a long time, but I did.

00:38:42.000 I heard bells, and I didn't hit anybody afterwards. 0.99

00:38:45.000 You know what the fuck it is. 1.00

00:38:46.000 You know what it is. 0.99

00:38:47.000 Well, if you do the point deduction, Holly wins that fighter a draw for sure. 1.00

00:38:50.000 Jermaine Duran to me is fucking awesome.

00:38:52.000 She's an awesome fighter. 1.00

00:38:53.000 I mean, she's a 46-0, 10-time world Muay Thai champion.

00:38:57.000 And for that to happen with her, it upsets me in two ways.

00:39:01.000 One, it upsets me because Holly got fouled.

00:39:03.000 And two, it upsets me because she's a great fighter.

00:39:06.000 For her to do something like that, I was like, why did you do that? 1.00

00:39:10.000 Don't do that!

00:39:11.000 Yeah.

00:39:12.000 And she rocked Holly.

00:39:13.000 The problem is, when you rock someone, who knows how much that affects them for the rest of the fight?

00:39:19.000 Right.

00:39:19.000 I mean, Holly is so badass.

00:39:20.000 She not only came back from that, she came back from that and wound up head-kicking Jermaine, dropping her, and then rocking her.

00:39:27.000 That short little hook that she drew that looked like an elbow at first?

00:39:30.000 Yeah.

00:39:30.000 Was it a straight left?

00:39:31.000 I thought it was like a hook coming in.

00:39:33.000 When Holly rocked her, it was a straight left.

00:39:34.000 It was a straight left that she was coming in, so it was just really short then.

00:39:36.000 Perfect shot.

00:39:37.000 Yeah.

00:39:38.000 She's an incredible striker. 1.00

00:39:40.000 She's so badass. 0.99

00:39:41.000 And that question mark kick that she hit her with over the top of the shoulder, drops down, hits her in the head. 1.00

00:39:45.000 Isn't it funny, though, that she doesn't fight like a boxer in the octagon at all.

00:39:48.000 She fights much more like an American kickboxer. 0.98

00:39:50.000 Well, because she was also an American kickboxer. 1.00

00:39:53.000 And she's also trained by Mike Winklejohn, who's one of the best American kickboxers from his era.

00:39:58.000 He was world-class in his time.

00:40:01.000 He's really good.

00:40:01.000 He fought Rick Rufus.

00:40:03.000 He fought some really good guys.

00:40:05.000 He's a great striking coach, man.

00:40:06.000 Very similar to him when I'm in Dallas, Guy Mesger.

00:40:10.000 Very similar style to that kind of stand-up.

00:40:12.000 Not as much head movement.

00:40:14.000 Yeah, Guy Metzger's a good friend of mine.

00:40:15.000 I love that guy.

00:40:16.000 He's really just an awesome guy.

00:40:18.000 I won't get into personal stories, but he's done some really nice things for people.

00:40:23.000 He's the exact example of when people say fighters are meatheads, he's just a really kind-hearted guy.

00:40:28.000 Well, he's definitely not a meathead.

00:40:30.000 I'm more of a meathead than him, for sure.

00:40:33.000 He's not just a kind-hearted guy.

00:40:34.000 He's very intelligent, soft-spoken.

00:40:37.000 You never hear Guy Metzger yelling at people.

00:40:39.000 And he's also, you know, he's worked really hard to mitigate some of his brain trauma and been really open about it, which I think is very, very, very important.

00:40:49.000 Because it's like this silent thing that guys don't want to talk about the issues that they're dealing with from fighting.

00:40:53.000 Yeah.

00:40:54.000 Well, he also, did you ever hear the story about when he got into the fight in a parking lot?

00:40:58.000 It was like a bunch of guys who jumped him.

00:41:01.000 Did you hear about that?

00:41:01.000 This wasn't that long ago.

00:41:03.000 You're probably thinking of the one where the guy had a knife and actually stabbed him in the hand.

00:41:06.000 Yes.

00:41:06.000 Because he got in between an altercation between a woman and a guy.

00:41:09.000 You just don't do that.

00:41:10.000 Just don't go out.

00:41:11.000 Stay home.

00:41:11.000 No, this was something.

00:41:12.000 Maybe he may not want me to tell the story, but it was in a parking lot.

00:41:15.000 Something happened.

00:41:15.000 I don't know how it started, but what happened was there were three or four guys.

00:41:18.000 And all he did was he grabbed one guy, just got him to the ground somehow and put him in a chokehold.

00:41:23.000 And he told his friend, he said, if you come forward, I'm going to choke your friend out.

00:41:26.000 And they just got back into their RAV4, closed the doors, he let the guy go, they were gone.

00:41:31.000 That's a really nice person.

00:41:34.000 Most people would have just choked that guy out.

00:41:35.000 Well, he's also a striker.

00:41:37.000 He could have really hurt him.

00:41:38.000 That's kind of the beauty of grappling.

00:41:39.000 You can hurt them or not as much as you want to.

00:41:42.000 And Guy Mesker is a very high-level striker.

00:41:44.000 I mean, he's not known as a grappler.

00:41:46.000 Well, he's a grappler, too.

00:41:47.000 He choked out Tito Ortiz in one of his first UFCs.

00:41:51.000 He just won Worlds at Brown in the Senior Division.

00:41:53.000 Did he really?

00:41:54.000 Yeah, in the Gi.

00:41:55.000 That's amazing.

00:41:56.000 Yeah, he's still competing and doing that stuff.

00:41:57.000 He's a pretty awesome guy.

00:41:58.000 That's a nice thing for people that don't want to strike anymore.

00:42:02.000 I know Babalu Sabral, he's been doing a lot of grappling competitions and stuff.

00:42:06.000 You know, guys that just have taken a lot of head trauma, a lot of crazy fights, long careers.

00:42:11.000 They still like to compete.

00:42:12.000 They can do that.

00:42:13.000 And Babalu has, I think it's Babalu's Iron Gym, I think that is what he calls it.

00:42:18.000 And he's got a really...

00:42:21.000 Nice, high-level gym down in Orange County.

00:42:24.000 That's an explanation.

00:42:25.000 Every time parents take in their kids for lessons, they walk in and see Babalu.

00:42:29.000 He's a great teacher.

00:42:30.000 No, no, he's a great guy.

00:42:31.000 But they have to do that kind of, all right, let me see the tattoos up his neck.

00:42:35.000 Yeah, parents are going to be a little apprehensive.

00:42:37.000 He's a great guy.

00:42:38.000 He's a great guy, and he's a real pioneer.

00:42:40.000 Babalu was in the early, early days of fighting.

00:42:43.000 There was a fight with him and Brad Kohler. 0.97

00:42:44.000 It's one of the fucking scariest knockouts ever. 0.93

00:42:46.000 Because it was back when you could soccer kick on the ground. 0.98

00:42:49.000 And he dropped Brad Kohler.

00:42:51.000 Because Babalu was one of the first Brazilian wrestlers, which a lot of people don't know.

00:42:56.000 I mean, he was a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu and very good striker and all those things.

00:42:59.000 But he also was on the Brazilian national wrestling team back in the day. 0.97

00:43:03.000 And so Brad Kohler, who's like this really beefed up fucking just jacked dude, couldn't touch him on the feet, and Babalu eventually got him tired out, and when he dropped him, got him down to the ground, he fucking soccer kicked him into oblivion. 0.90

00:43:17.000 Those days when you could soccer kick someone who was already tired and down, those are dark days. 0.71

00:43:23.000 But to put into context, the Brazilian national wrestling team, They'd be like benchers to Oklahoma State wrestlers.

00:43:29.000 It's just not even the same level.

00:43:31.000 Maybe.

00:43:31.000 But a high-level wrestler is a high-level wrestler.

00:43:33.000 Oh, yeah, it is.

00:43:34.000 But it's like Sarah McMahon.

00:43:35.000 You know, she was silver at the Olympics.

00:43:36.000 And I remember when people said she was going to beat Ronda with her wrestling. 1.00

00:43:38.000 I'm like, well, hold on a second.

00:43:39.000 The talent pool in women's wrestling is nowhere near where it is at Judo at that point.

00:43:43.000 I mean, you just have women in Japan in Judo who are animals. 1.00

00:43:46.000 Kayla Harrison, too, if you've been following her, she was actually one of the first guests on her show. 0.97

00:43:51.000 She's just a monster. 1.00

00:43:52.000 You know, there's no one in female wrestling, no one who would even come close to her level of experience. 1.00

00:43:57.000 And the same can be said about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

00:43:59.000 You know, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, which isn't in the Olympics yet, but really should be, is there's some phenomenal, like, have you seen Mackenzie Dern?

00:44:06.000 Have you seen her compete in MMA? She has one of the most badass choke outs that I've ever seen in my life. 1.00

00:44:14.000 She started with an omoplata, worked her way to this girl's back. 1.00

00:44:17.000 She's got this move that she does where she gets a girl in an omoplata and she rolls over onto her back and chokes this chick out. 1.00

00:44:24.000 Apparently, she hits this move all the time. 1.00

00:44:27.000 Well, they teach something similar to that at Marcelo Garcia School in New York, where if ever someone's turtling, you wedge your knee into their ribs and their hip crease, and you kind of get around, not quite an omoplata, but you're bringing your other leg around their front, and you're wrapping, and you're blocking.

00:44:40.000 Let's say you're coming in from your right side.

00:44:43.000 You block their left arm, which is something we actually would learn in judo quite a bit, a really basic back.

00:44:48.000 So you block it by taking an underhook and grabbing wrist control?

00:44:51.000 Yeah, so you're putting a knee in and you're grabbing wrist control around.

00:44:54.000 So you're not putting a hook in.

00:44:55.000 And when you control this, the way they taught it to me, like if you watch Marcelo Garcia, they'll just go for the choke straight from there.

00:45:00.000 They don't even need to get their hooks in.

00:45:01.000 Right.

00:45:02.000 And then you have Clark Gracie who does the omoplata roll to the lapel choke. 0.50

00:45:06.000 I mean, it really is.

00:45:07.000 Omoplata, I don't think there's been a submission from that in a long time.

00:45:10.000 But it's a great setup.

00:45:12.000 Well, there's only one ever in the UFC history.

00:45:13.000 It's Ben Saunders.

00:45:14.000 This is Mackenzie Dern.

00:45:16.000 Watch how she does this. 1.00

00:45:17.000 The thing is, also, is that she's hot as fuck. 1.00

00:45:21.000 And so she gets the omelette. 1.00

00:45:24.000 The girl tries to roll. 1.00

00:45:25.000 Now watch how she handles this. 1.00

00:45:26.000 When she gets her from this position...

00:45:28.000 Oh, no, no.

00:45:28.000 You gotta go back.

00:45:29.000 You gotta go back.

00:45:30.000 See, I shouldn't even have her hooks. 0.93

00:45:31.000 Oh, it's just a highlight video.

00:45:33.000 So she doesn't need the hook.

00:45:35.000 What she does is she rolls, and you don't see it from that position. 1.00

00:45:40.000 Well that's a lot like a nogi version of Clark Gracie's Omoplata lapel choke.

00:45:43.000 Let me see if they show it here.

00:45:44.000 What she does is she gets up and when she gets up on her hip, the girl rolls and watch how she scrambles. 0.99

00:45:51.000 Now she takes her right arm and she rolls underneath the girl. 1.00

00:45:56.000 Anyway, you know, her dad is Megaton Diaz, who's world famous.

00:46:00.000 Very, very respected Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt.

00:46:04.000 But one of the coolest things about Jiu-Jitsu is it's almost like sentences in languages.

00:46:09.000 There's so many different ways you can go with things.

00:46:11.000 There's so many different possibilities.

00:46:14.000 It's almost never-ending.

00:46:16.000 Well, there's a guy like my dad.

00:46:17.000 He's in his 50s and hasn't lost a point, let alone a round, competing up to purple belt.

00:46:22.000 And he competes against guys who are 40 and open weight because there's no one his age.

00:46:25.000 And he played hockey, U of M, high, high-level athlete.

00:46:28.000 And he's not super flexible.

00:46:30.000 He's not going to do a guard game.

00:46:31.000 He got really good at takedowns, really good at trips, really good at guard passing, and side control, a few chokes, paper cutter chokes, things like that.

00:46:38.000 And he's diverse enough where he can protect himself in areas.

00:46:42.000 But that's one thing, too.

00:46:43.000 You know, when I was helping coach him for his first tournament, I'm like, listen, in training, you want to work these positions.

00:46:49.000 You know, you want to work your guard.

00:46:50.000 You want to work your half guard.

00:46:51.000 But there's nothing that says in the competition, you can't stuff the head, get up, and just come up on top.

00:46:55.000 And when you realize that, when he competes, it's just getting out, getting on top.

00:46:58.000 And if he gets on top...

00:47:00.000 He's going to pass, you know, at his level, at a purple belt level. 0.88

00:47:03.000 Yeah, but the problem with that strategy is it only works for someone who's weaker than you.

00:47:07.000 Like, as soon as you find someone who's better at that game than you, you have to have other options.

00:47:10.000 So if he's not good off of his back, someone's eventually going to put him on his back.

00:47:14.000 Well, he's pretty good on his back.

00:47:15.000 Well, that's good, then.

00:47:15.000 But in a tournament, the point is there's no unwritten agreement where we're working passing.

00:47:20.000 No.

00:47:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:20.000 So he can try his, you know, scissor sweep, which is a big thing for him as a strong guy, and if it doesn't work, he can do a technical standout and come up.

00:47:27.000 Well, Halston Gracie has the best description of jiu-jitsu.

00:47:30.000 He said, you do this, then I do that, then you do this, then I do that, forever.

00:47:38.000 I love that.

00:47:39.000 Because it's like, if you try jiu-jitsu, you go, yeah, that is what it is, until someone taps.

00:47:45.000 Like, Hicks and Gracie has always been famous for saying about other athletes, other competitors, that if they can't keep the rhythm...

00:47:54.000 They will lose.

00:47:55.000 They will lose.

00:47:56.000 My rhythm.

00:47:56.000 Meaning, not like George St. Pierre, but like meaning that he keeps attacking and you keep defending and keep attacking.

00:48:03.000 Eventually you're going to slip up and he's going to get a dominant position.

00:48:06.000 Sure.

00:48:06.000 And then once from there...

00:48:08.000 I'm not saying he's world-class.

00:48:09.000 I'm just saying he's able to learn a game.

00:48:11.000 I know.

00:48:11.000 You want to brag about your dad.

00:48:12.000 It's okay.

00:48:13.000 Help me with a drink.

00:48:14.000 Come on, bro.

00:48:15.000 Cheers.

00:48:15.000 Thank you.

00:48:16.000 Gentleman Jack, I guess.

00:48:18.000 Oh, no, that's normal Jack.

00:48:19.000 This is a regular Jack.

00:48:22.000 Yeah, what is this stuff called? 1.00

00:48:23.000 This is Sinatra shit. 0.99

00:48:26.000 That's how you sell it. 1.00

00:48:28.000 If they were an actual sponsor, you'd be getting phone calls. 0.99

00:48:31.000 Yes, Joe, you said it was Sinatra shit, and our PR representatives have a problem with that. 0.98

00:48:37.000 Well, then they wouldn't be a sponsor anymore. 0.99

00:48:38.000 Nobody cares anymore, man. 1.00

00:48:40.000 People have to realize this is the age of shit. 1.00

00:48:42.000 You can say it. 1.00

00:48:43.000 You know what's actually a great whiskey that has Wild Turkey 101? 0.52

00:48:47.000 That stuff's disgusting.

00:48:48.000 No, no, [...

00:48:50.000 We have some.

00:48:50.000 You want some?

00:48:51.000 No, I'm good. 1.00

00:48:52.000 Pussy. 1.00

00:48:53.000 But Wild Turkey 101 is a fantastic drink. 1.00

00:48:55.000 It really is.

00:48:56.000 It's like Jim Beam advertises aged four years.

00:48:59.000 Well, Wild Turkey 101 is eight years off the bat.

00:49:01.000 Why is it better to be old?

00:49:03.000 Why is it better for whiskey to be aged?

00:49:05.000 Oh, we've been saving this. 1.00

00:49:07.000 It tastes like shit. 1.00

00:49:09.000 Just be honest, it all tastes like shit. 1.00

00:49:11.000 No, well, with the rye you want it younger. 0.99

00:49:13.000 With the bourbon, you want more of that char kind of flavor in there.

00:49:16.000 Anyway, it's a good whiskey. 0.95

00:49:18.000 The best whiskey can't fuck with Kool-Aid. 0.63

00:49:21.000 Kool-Aid tastes better than the best whiskey that's ever made. 0.95

00:49:23.000 Just put vodka in Kool-Aid. 1.00

00:49:25.000 What are you doing with Sinatra shit? 1.00

00:49:26.000 I like the pain. 1.00

00:49:28.000 I like feeling, I like the suffering.

00:49:30.000 I like the suffering that comes with Jack Daniels.

00:49:32.000 That's what I like.

00:49:32.000 Really?

00:49:33.000 I like when you shoot that shot down and you go, ah!

00:49:35.000 You know exactly what you just did. 1.00

00:49:38.000 You're not playing any stupid games. 1.00

00:49:39.000 You know it's poison. 1.00

00:49:40.000 Like, I'm here to enlighten myself.

00:49:42.000 I'm here to spread love and karma.

00:49:44.000 Is that what people do with horchata?

00:49:46.000 What's that with?

00:49:47.000 Horchata is a Mexican drink.

00:49:48.000 I'm thinking rumchata.

00:49:49.000 Yeah, rumchata. 0.99

00:49:50.000 Horchata is some shit you get when you get tacos in an authentic joint. 1.00

00:49:53.000 I was thinking rumchata. 0.99

00:49:54.000 I misspoke.

00:49:55.000 What's rumchata?

00:49:55.000 I don't even know what that is.

00:49:57.000 It's like horchata but alcoholic.

00:49:59.000 And they sell in a white bottle, and it's already pre-made, and it's just got the spices and whatever the dairy filler is.

00:50:05.000 Sounds like a good thing to make terrible decisions on.

00:50:07.000 Well, Not Gay Jared loves it, so it fits in perfectly. 0.94

00:50:10.000 Oh.

00:50:10.000 He loves rung shot up.

00:50:11.000 Your co-host, Not Gay Jared. 0.99

00:50:12.000 People are like, who the fuck is Not Gay Jared? 0.98

00:50:15.000 He's my producer on my show. 1.00

00:50:17.000 Interesting.

00:50:19.000 So, after this election, where do you line up now?

00:50:22.000 Where are you?

00:50:23.000 Because beforehand, you were kind of, I mean, you saw the Black Lives Matter thing and you talked about the issues with that.

00:50:28.000 I'm more libertarian than anything.

00:50:30.000 So did you go Gary Johnson?

00:50:32.000 I did, but only because he did my podcast.

00:50:35.000 Oh, really?

00:50:35.000 Yeah.

00:50:36.000 I'm like, you do my podcast, I'll vote for you for president.

00:50:38.000 It's deal's a deal.

00:50:39.000 Did he smoke pot doing your podcast?

00:50:41.000 He should have.

00:50:42.000 We should have got him high, right?

00:50:43.000 No, we talked pretty sensibly. 1.00

00:50:45.000 I like Gary as a human, and I think he's a good guy, and I think that the Aleppo thing sunk that fucking boat like a goddamn torpedo. 1.00

00:50:54.000 When he didn't know what Aleppo is, I'm like, oh, Gary. 0.99

00:50:56.000 Here's the thing.

00:50:57.000 Plays good pool.

00:50:58.000 Most people don't know about Aleppo.

00:51:01.000 When that happened, there was a spike in Google searches for Aleppo, and he doesn't know what Aleppo is.

00:51:06.000 I didn't know about Aleppo.

00:51:08.000 I knew that Syria was in a terrible, terrible situation, and I knew that Syrian refugees are fleeing.

00:51:12.000 I knew the bombings, I didn't know the name of the city.

00:51:16.000 The problem is, you know, he got caught not knowing the name of the city, and he should have known the name of the city.

00:51:21.000 Like, if you ask me, you know, how do you think Matt Hume handles Mighty Mouse's career? 0.99

00:51:26.000 I'd be like, who the fuck's Matt Hume? 0.93

00:51:27.000 If I said that, I shouldn't be doing MMA commentator ever again. 0.99

00:51:32.000 But I'm a mixed martial arts commentator.

00:51:35.000 That is part of my job.

00:51:36.000 If you're running for president, it's part of your job to know the name of the city.

00:51:40.000 That's true.

00:51:41.000 The worst part was when he tried to cover it up.

00:51:44.000 What is Aleppo?

00:51:45.000 Oh, Syria. 0.99

00:51:46.000 Yes, yes.

00:51:48.000 Got it.

00:51:49.000 Got it!

00:51:49.000 He said it twice, buying some time.

00:51:51.000 She's like, you just said, you know what?

00:51:53.000 I don't really know, but I'm a libertarian, so he wouldn't even be in Aleppo, so what does it matter?

00:51:57.000 Yeah, but see, I don't buy that either, man.

00:51:59.000 Once you've entangled yourself in the world of politics, foreign politics, and international politics, the idea that you're not going to be there anymore.

00:52:06.000 Well, we found out what happens with that in Iraq.

00:52:09.000 We found out what happens with that in Libya.

00:52:11.000 You create a vacuum, and that vacuum is filled by terrible, terrible people.

00:52:15.000 Well, particularly when you give them a timetable of when you're going to pull out, like Barack Obama.

00:52:18.000 Yeah, you know, and everyone on the right was saying, well, listen, that's a mistake.

00:52:21.000 No, no, no, this is going to work well, trust me. 0.91

00:52:23.000 But in his defense, what the fuck else do you do? 0.84

00:52:26.000 I mean, do you stay there? 0.97

00:52:27.000 Do you stay there?

00:52:28.000 If you keep putting that in there, it's not going to light. 1.00

00:52:30.000 Bitch, I know how to do this. 1.00

00:52:32.000 I've been smoking a pipe for... 1.00

00:52:34.000 At least an hour.

00:52:36.000 Afterward, I'll show you how to get it.

00:52:37.000 I'm already doing it like a man.

00:52:40.000 I started like a baby.

00:52:41.000 Where are you going to suffocate the flame?

00:52:44.000 Lighters, bro.

00:52:45.000 Yeah.

00:52:45.000 Modern technology.

00:52:48.000 Well, here is something that I do think we've seen afterward.

00:52:51.000 Again, I wasn't a big Trump supporter with that.

00:52:53.000 Do you want to go back to talking jiu-jitsu?

00:52:54.000 We can, but I figured people... 0.99

00:52:55.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:52:55.000 Let's talk jiu-jitsu. 0.99

00:52:56.000 Let's talk politics.

00:52:58.000 Let's talk Jack Daniels.

00:52:59.000 With Bernie Sanders or whoever it is, you can't line up with the Black Lives Matter all the time. 0.89

00:53:03.000 You can't line up with the Pussyhat Economics, the Women's March all the time. 1.00

00:53:06.000 You can't line up...

00:53:07.000 With the anti-free speech protesters on campus all the time.

00:53:10.000 You can't line up with the people online who want to ban voices of dissent all the time.

00:53:15.000 You can't line up with, we want to tax the wealthy.

00:53:18.000 Well, who can you line up with?

00:53:18.000 Well, the point is, people like Bernie or Hillary, when they do that, until you realize, hold on a second, there's a line, and I've lined up with everyone except for the rest of America.

00:53:27.000 And you see that in Los Angeles.

00:53:28.000 It's an insulated bubble.

00:53:29.000 People don't realize, you know what, there are a lot of people out there who disagree with.

00:53:31.000 You keep saying that about Los Angeles.

00:53:32.000 Or New York, whatever it is.

00:53:33.000 It's my city, bro.

00:53:34.000 Why don't you relax?

00:53:36.000 Didn't you go to Colorado at one point because you hated it?

00:53:39.000 No, I wanted to live...

00:53:40.000 I do not like the population.

00:53:42.000 I do love the mountains.

00:53:43.000 Right.

00:53:44.000 Bro, I got a straight-off-the-mountain t-shirt on HoytArchery.com.

00:53:48.000 Yeah, but that could be in Washington. 0.99

00:53:50.000 No, it's a fucking bowhunter on that thing. 0.99

00:53:53.000 And you have chickens, right? 0.99

00:53:55.000 I don't live in Los Angeles.

00:53:58.000 I live outside of Los Angeles.

00:54:00.000 I have several locations in which I sleep.

00:54:03.000 I think that there's a real problem with high population areas.

00:54:08.000 And that problem is, there's two things.

00:54:10.000 One, there's a diffusion of responsibility.

00:54:12.000 There's too many people.

00:54:13.000 You just feel like you don't value each other.

00:54:17.000 Because there's too many.

00:54:19.000 Everyone's there.

00:54:19.000 If you see an accident, you don't pull over to try to help.

00:54:23.000 100,000 people on the highway, you just keep going.

00:54:25.000 Yeah.

00:54:25.000 If you saw that same accident on a single lane road in the country and, you know, some cops, you might pull over and help.

00:54:32.000 You know, you might ask if you needed help.

00:54:33.000 I've always said that about New York.

00:54:34.000 People are like, New Yorkers care about each other.

00:54:35.000 You walk past the hobo on the street in New York for a lot of people. 0.59

00:54:38.000 They just ignore it because they're so used to it.

00:54:39.000 They did after 9-11.

00:54:41.000 They did after 9-11.

00:54:41.000 You know, I went to New York after 9-11.

00:54:43.000 We filmed a Fear Factor there.

00:54:44.000 And I'll tell you, man, it was a beautiful thing because there was a real...

00:54:49.000 A palpable, like a tangible feeling of community there that doesn't exist there anymore.

00:54:54.000 No, it doesn't.

00:54:54.000 It's gone.

00:54:55.000 Also, the New York that existed in 2001 is not the New York that is here in 2016. No.

00:55:01.000 You know, I've had some, like Judah Freelander, who's a friend of mine, who's a stand-up comic, he was here.

00:55:06.000 And he was telling me, he's like, dude, it's all bankers now.

00:55:09.000 He's like, there's no artists in New York anymore.

00:55:10.000 They can't afford it.

00:55:12.000 He's like, you go to Brooklyn, maybe?

00:55:14.000 He's like, but in New York City, the rents are so fucking expensive, and there's so much international money in New York.

00:55:20.000 I can tell you that's flipped a little bit when I lived there.

00:55:23.000 When did you live in New York City?

00:55:25.000 I lived there when I was with Fox.

00:55:26.000 Well, I lived there two different stints.

00:55:28.000 One time sleeping on couches, and one time this would have been 2000...

00:55:32.000 2011, maybe?

00:55:34.000 2011, 2012?

00:55:35.000 And rent was cheaper in Old Money Upper East Side than in East Village or Lower East Side, because that's where all the hipsters and the artists were, so they all wanted to be there now, and the Upper East Side was seen as not cool.

00:55:46.000 So I got a place that was so inexpensive compared to if I wanted to live downtown.

00:55:51.000 So that's kind of switched.

00:55:53.000 But none of the artists want to live with all the wasps.

00:55:55.000 There's always a problem when too many people have too much money and they're all congregated in one area.

00:56:00.000 Because then they're just annoying. 0.99

00:56:01.000 They're just annoying and they're all trying to buy the same fucking cars and houses. 1.00

00:56:04.000 They talk like one of your voices. 0.99

00:56:06.000 Bertrand and Russell are very intellectual.

00:56:09.000 We smoke pipes and stomp on the little man.

00:56:12.000 Yeah, I think you're right, and I think it also, I mean, there's obviously, this is where leftists tend to congregate, leftist ideology in big cities, right?

00:56:19.000 They want you on public transportation, they want you dependent on the government.

00:56:22.000 Do they?

00:56:22.000 They want you riding bikes, bro.

00:56:23.000 No, they want you, well, bikes, public transport, but certainly they want to limit what kind of cars you can drive, how far you can drive them, you look at any big city.

00:56:31.000 They definitely want to reduce independence, and there's a real out-of-touchiness.

00:56:34.000 Well, do you think that's what it really is?

00:56:35.000 No, they want to reduce carbon emissions.

00:56:37.000 No.

00:56:37.000 They don't want to reduce independence.

00:56:39.000 No, I think it's both.

00:56:40.000 I absolutely think it's both.

00:56:41.000 Come on, man.

00:56:42.000 This is less conspiratorial than Pizzagate.

00:56:44.000 To say that people want you on buses and dependent on government just like they want you on welfare, they want you in public transit.

00:56:50.000 The people don't.

00:56:51.000 Maybe some percentage of the people do, but if Tesla came out with some car that you could drive across the country on one charge, you think people would be suppressing that?

00:56:59.000 They would welcome it.

00:57:00.000 A zero-emissions car that would give you total freedom?

00:57:02.000 No one's going to try to suppress that.

00:57:04.000 The issue is...

00:57:05.000 I think they would.

00:57:06.000 I don't think so.

00:57:07.000 How and why?

00:57:08.000 Well, the first thing they would do is remove all the government subsidies that make Tesla even remotely competitive.

00:57:12.000 Who is they? 0.99

00:57:13.000 This they shit is driving me crazy. 1.00

00:57:15.000 I'm talking about the United States government and the subsidies that go into a Tesla, right? 1.00

00:57:19.000 Prius could still be losing Toyota on everyone sold.

00:57:23.000 But you look at the government subsidies, the government incentives.

00:57:25.000 People don't want to buy these cars.

00:57:26.000 Oh, that's not true.

00:57:27.000 Well, Tesla, yeah, but not a Prius.

00:57:29.000 That's not true either.

00:57:30.000 I know a bunch of people who bought Priuses.

00:57:31.000 Greg Fitzsimmons has a Prius.

00:57:32.000 Brendan Schaub has a Prius.

00:57:34.000 My buddies have Priuses.

00:57:34.000 Brendan Schaub drives a Prius?

00:57:35.000 He's got a fucking Prius. 1.00

00:57:37.000 How does he even fit in a Prius? 1.00

00:57:38.000 And a Bentley.

00:57:39.000 Well, there you go.

00:57:41.000 Side note, and Bentley. 1.00

00:57:42.000 He's a fucking big gorilla. 1.00

00:57:43.000 He barely fits in a Prius. 1.00

00:57:45.000 I would say. 0.97

00:57:45.000 Those things handle like trash. 0.97

00:57:47.000 They're shit cars. 1.00

00:57:48.000 Bill Burr has a Prius. 1.00

00:57:49.000 How about that?

00:57:50.000 And a Jaguar.

00:57:52.000 Exactly.

00:57:52.000 See, that's exactly what it is.

00:57:53.000 It's the white guilt symbol in Los Angeles, so you can say, I got a Prius.

00:57:57.000 This is the car I really want.

00:57:58.000 No, you say that, but it's people that don't want to spend a lot of money on gas.

00:58:01.000 A lot of them bought them in 2012. No, no, here's the thing.

00:58:03.000 If you don't want to spend a lot of money on gas, you would do the cost savings estimation.

00:58:06.000 You would see buying a used car, any used car, especially a Ford Fiesta, which would get more mileage than a Prius anyway.

00:58:13.000 It's a white guilt symbol.

00:58:14.000 No, it doesn't.

00:58:15.000 Yeah, it does.

00:58:16.000 Ford Fiesta gets more mileage?

00:58:17.000 Yeah, there are American small cars that will get over 40 miles per gallon.

00:58:20.000 Yeah, but a Prius gets over 50. No.

00:58:22.000 Pull it up, Jamie. 1.00

00:58:23.000 This motherfucker. 1.00

00:58:24.000 Let's ride him into the rocks. 1.00

00:58:25.000 Let's say it's an eight-mileage difference.

00:58:27.000 Yeah, but that's not what you want.

00:58:28.000 You don't want an old car that's gonna break down.

00:58:30.000 You want a new car that's reliable, that gets really good gas mileage, and that's what a Prius is.

00:58:34.000 You really shouldn't be inhaling that, by the way. 1.00

00:58:35.000 That's fucking pussy. 1.00

00:58:36.000 No, seriously. 1.00

00:58:36.000 That's gonna be tar straight into your lungs if you inhale that. 1.00

00:58:39.000 I'm switching to weed.

00:58:40.000 You're driving me crazy.

00:58:43.000 Oh, this is so much better.

00:58:47.000 Well, back to the...

00:58:48.000 Well, there you go.

00:58:49.000 Alright, so what's that?

00:58:50.000 A Prius is...

00:58:51.000 Ford Fiesta.

00:58:53.000 Alright, so 40 highway.

00:58:54.000 29 cities, son.

00:58:56.000 40 highway.

00:58:58.000 Now pull up a...

00:58:59.000 Well, a Prius is going to have way more in a city because of the way the battery works.

00:59:02.000 Because it's better! 1.00

00:59:03.000 You son of a bitch! 1.00

00:59:04.000 Did you have a Prius? 1.00

00:59:05.000 Your point sucks! 1.00

00:59:05.000 No. 1.00

00:59:07.000 No.

00:59:07.000 That wasn't the point, though.

00:59:09.000 That was a side to the point. 1.00

00:59:11.000 No, you were trying to say that if you really wanted to save money on gas, you'd get a fucking shitty old Ford Fiesta, and that's nonsense. 1.00

00:59:18.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:59:19.000 58 city!

00:59:20.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:59:21.000 Son, are you looking at that?

00:59:22.000 Getting a used car.

00:59:23.000 It's more in the city.

00:59:24.000 58 city.

00:59:25.000 Joe, Joe, you can yell about it all you want, but here's the truth.

00:59:26.000 You're wrong by many tens of miles per gallon.

00:59:30.000 You are incorrect if you look at the actual price of a Prius versus the best thing you can do for the environment is buy an old beater car.

00:59:36.000 Buy an old Camaro that's horribly on gas.

00:59:38.000 Who said that?

00:59:38.000 It's $24,000.

00:59:40.000 It's cheap as fuck for a car. 0.99

00:59:42.000 No, you'd be better off buying an old beater car, recycle, than buying a Prius. 0.99

00:59:46.000 It's not even close.

00:59:47.000 Listen, you dig your heels in, you don't see the other side.

00:59:50.000 If you want to drive a Prius, buy a Prius.

00:59:52.000 You're like, everybody else on the right.

00:59:54.000 Two giant non-recyclable batteries.

00:59:56.000 You dig your heels in.

00:59:57.000 Two giant non-recyclable batteries.

00:59:58.000 Non-recyclable for now, but much like nuclear waste, it's making a comeback.

01:00:04.000 You know that?

01:00:04.000 They can make diamonds?

01:00:07.000 Batteries out of diamonds with nuclear waste now that last thousands of years?

01:00:10.000 Yeah, but why do we want diamonds?

01:00:11.000 Oh, they make batteries out of diamonds.

01:00:12.000 Yeah, nuclear waste.

01:00:14.000 Nuclear diamond waste batteries that last thousands of years.

01:00:18.000 Nuclear energy that we could be using, but we can't be using because people thought it was worse for the environment.

01:00:21.000 Well, it's...

01:00:22.000 We're using it, whether people thought it was worse or not.

01:00:24.000 The real issue is like the old plants, like Fukushima, that they have huge difficulties with shutting down.

01:00:30.000 Someone told me that Fukushima is not...

01:00:33.000 You know what we were talking about the other day?

01:00:34.000 That someone had said that the radiation levels are growing.

01:00:37.000 They're saying it's not growing.

01:00:38.000 That the real issue is aerosol or something...

01:00:42.000 No, no, aerosols.

01:00:43.000 That's the old global warming CFCs or whatever it was.

01:00:47.000 No, but not aerosols.

01:00:48.000 What was the...

01:00:49.000 Airborne.

01:00:49.000 Airborne radiation is an issue with Fukushima, that they're monitoring it.

01:00:54.000 Yeah, it doesn't surprise me.

01:00:55.000 But, you know, my point on that one is, why are leftists, for example, against the sharing economy?

01:01:01.000 Why would Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton be against...

01:01:03.000 No, no, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, their platform...

01:01:06.000 Let's just abandon left versus right and just look at people.

01:01:10.000 What are the people?

01:01:11.000 Who are the people that are having issues with this thing?

01:01:13.000 Okay, let's say, why is Bernie Socialist Sanders against the sharing economy?

01:01:16.000 You give him a nickname?

01:01:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:01:17.000 You son of a bitch. 1.00

01:01:18.000 He's a socialist. 1.00

01:01:18.000 He's a self-abowed European socialist. 1.00

01:01:20.000 Why would they be against the sharing economy?

01:01:22.000 Makes a couple hundred thousand dollars a year.

01:01:24.000 Let's stay on this one.

01:01:25.000 He does well.

01:01:26.000 Are you telling me to stay on things?

01:01:28.000 You're bouncing all over the place. 1.00

01:01:29.000 Why don't you bring up your fucking dog again? 1.00

01:01:31.000 What about your dad who's a jiu-jitsu guy? 1.00

01:01:32.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00

01:01:33.000 You said you wanted to not talk about politics, so I talked about jiu-jitsu. 1.00

01:01:36.000 I didn't say I don't want to talk about politics.

01:01:38.000 This is the point.

01:01:39.000 The sharing economy.

01:01:40.000 Uber.

01:01:41.000 Uber and Airbnb.

01:01:43.000 Shouldn't everyone be on board with that?

01:01:45.000 Why do you have people like Bernie Sanders or Nancy Pelosi banning them or Austin politicians and constituents banning them from their city?

01:01:52.000 If we're talking about sharing, socialism, you can't do Uber in Austin.

01:01:56.000 Bernie Sanders doesn't want Uber, doesn't want Airbnb.

01:01:58.000 Why do you think they're doing that?

01:01:59.000 Do you think they're doing that because they want taxis to survive?

01:02:02.000 No, I think they're doing it because just like people like to throw out this big conspiracy about big bankers and their own self-interest, which is true, I think that people don't want to acknowledge that the left is beholden to giant cabbie unions who are punching people in the face in New York because Uber removes their surcharge and decides to ignore the Trump travel ban.

01:02:18.000 I think they're against Airbnb because they're beholden to, for example, the culinary union who might work certain hotels.

01:02:23.000 Did you just sneak in an aside about the Trump travel ban when you were talking to No, no, that was what happened.

01:02:27.000 People were protesting an Uber in New York City.

01:02:30.000 They went in, and they were still going to the airport.

01:02:32.000 The cabbies unions in New York said, we're not going to go.

01:02:34.000 And so people were punching Uber drivers. 0.86

01:02:36.000 People were getting furious about it, saying, you're scabs.

01:02:38.000 You're coming in.

01:02:39.000 Uber actually removed their surcharge.

01:02:40.000 Because remember all the airport protests, right?

01:02:42.000 It was a quagmire.

01:02:43.000 No, I don't.

01:02:43.000 I don't.

01:02:44.000 Oh yeah, during the Trump's travel ban, there were protests at all these different airports.

01:02:47.000 Right, about that.

01:02:48.000 But what does that have to do with Uber?

01:02:50.000 The point is, in New York, the cabbies' unions went on strike.

01:02:53.000 They said against the travel ban, right?

01:02:55.000 Oh, I see.

01:02:56.000 So Uber's going in, and they're removing their surcharge.

01:02:59.000 Well, if we're talking about the sharing economy, if we're talking about bringing in refugees and resettling them against people's will, right? 0.99

01:03:04.000 Because we want to be compassionate.

01:03:06.000 Right.

01:03:06.000 Well, just take that and say, okay, instead of resettling refugees against somebody's will because you want to share, what about somebody deciding to share their car at an agreed-upon service or share their house?

01:03:16.000 And the left, the political left, has fought against that vehemently.

01:03:20.000 It is so remarkably inconsistent.

01:03:22.000 How so?

01:03:22.000 They want Uber banned.

01:03:24.000 Who is this they?

01:03:25.000 Is this across the board?

01:03:27.000 Let's go with Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren.

01:03:30.000 What they want to do is either get Uber banned in cities, as you see in cities like Austin or in cities in Europe, or they want to make sure that cabi-unions either get first right or that Uber hires these union workers. 0.69

01:03:41.000 Okay.

01:03:41.000 Well, I definitely have an issue with that.

01:03:43.000 So let's pull up that story that Bernie Sanders is in favor of banning Uber, Bernie Sanders Uber.

01:03:51.000 And let's break that down and unpack it because I think when something comes along that's better and it fucks with a business that is worse, the better things should win because that's progress.

01:04:04.000 I think Uber is progress.

01:04:06.000 I think Lyft is progress.

01:04:08.000 I think what Lyft is doing and what these Programs are doing where you have an application on your phone.

01:04:15.000 You can turn it on and off anytime you want.

01:04:17.000 You can work anytime you want.

01:04:18.000 As long as they certify and test you and make sure you're not a crazy person, as long as they know where you are at every time, they can actually monitor your You can make like 35 bucks an hour doing that. 0.84

01:04:36.000 Wouldn't you rather do that if you have a car like a Prius that gets 50 fucking eight miles to the gallon?

01:04:41.000 Wouldn't you rather do that? 0.88

01:04:42.000 So I'm in favor 100% of progress.

01:04:44.000 And I think that anybody that opposes that, because somehow or another it's going to challenge other people's jobs.

01:04:50.000 When it comes to something like Uber versus cab, in my opinion, this is pretty black and white.

01:04:54.000 This is a new technology, a disruptive technology that benefits a lot of individual users, hence it's good.

01:05:02.000 Well, it also benefits the middle class more than anybody.

01:05:04.000 And there's no union for Uber drivers.

01:05:06.000 That's the big problem.

01:05:07.000 So there's no lobbying and there's no money that goes to politicians.

01:05:10.000 Well, that's the big problem.

01:05:11.000 So I'm not aware of this.

01:05:12.000 You're more balls deep in politics than I am. 0.97

01:05:15.000 So let's, Jamie's gonna pull up a story and we're gonna figure out what the fuck is wrong with Bernie Sanders' take on it from an individual point of view. 0.97

01:05:22.000 Yeah, or you can look up, I mean, you can even look up European cities that have banned it or Austin.

01:05:26.000 I know it was a huge issue in London.

01:05:27.000 I remember watching those cab drivers that had decided to block streets.

01:05:31.000 They decided to shut their cars off in the middle of the street and literally stop cars from passing.

01:05:35.000 People had to go way around them and it was a huge issue.

01:05:38.000 The reason the term political left and right matters right now, to me anyway, it may not matter to some people, but the reason it matters to me is because you do look at one side of the political spectrum right now, and I think the line's been pretty clear in this last election, where there's an ideological divide, and where one is deliberately looking at marginalizing and targeting and dividing victimized groups,

01:05:57.000 and they do so and ignore other groups of people who are victimized as a result of them complaining about victimization.

01:06:02.000 Okay, that's very vague.

01:06:05.000 Okay, so let me give you, you want a concrete example?

01:06:07.000 Let's find this with Bernie Sanders.

01:06:09.000 Well, let me go into it right now.

01:06:10.000 I want you to hold this thought.

01:06:11.000 I was trying to find a quote about what he had, so here's about what I guess he has serious problems with it.

01:06:17.000 Serious problems with popular mobile ride hailing service Uber.

01:06:22.000 Speaking with Bloomberg, the Democratic presidential candidate, contender rather, called the service unregulated, wading into one of the most closely watched economic debates of the 2016 race.

01:06:34.000 Workers on demand at on-demand economy companies like Uber, Airbnb, or Lyft are considered independent contractors and therefore do not receive the benefits and protections afforded to full-time employees.

01:06:46.000 Okay, so I could see that, but they do make more money. 0.99

01:06:49.000 Right?

01:06:50.000 Isn't that correct?

01:06:51.000 Well, they don't have to pay a huge commission to the cabbies union, and they're totally independent.

01:06:55.000 And they have their own car, and they make more money.

01:06:57.000 I mean, is that true?

01:06:58.000 Let's make sure that that is true.

01:07:00.000 It doesn't matter if it's true.

01:07:01.000 If people have the choice to do Uber...

01:07:03.000 But let's just Google Uber drivers make more than car companies versus how much Uber makes from their drivers.

01:07:09.000 Because that's the real issue.

01:07:10.000 Like, say, Uber's a company, okay?

01:07:12.000 And they're pimping out all these drivers, and they're making shit tons of money, and then they're not giving the drivers enough...

01:07:18.000 No, they're giving them certainly more.

01:07:19.000 I think they take a much smaller commission than the cab drivers means.

01:07:22.000 I don't have a number in front of me.

01:07:24.000 I should just reiterate, I'm pro-Uber, 100%.

01:07:26.000 I have a friend of mine who's actually a bigwig at Uber.

01:07:29.000 I think it's great.

01:07:30.000 Even if I wasn't...

01:07:32.000 What's the matter of this?

01:07:33.000 How Uber fails to prove its drivers make more than taxi drivers.

01:07:37.000 That's Huffington Post.

01:07:38.000 Those sons of bitches. 1.00

01:07:39.000 That's Fox News. 1.00

01:07:41.000 Oh, that's the blaze.

01:07:41.000 No, no.

01:07:42.000 They feel the need to be defensive.

01:07:43.000 How they failed to prove.

01:07:44.000 How they failed to prove.

01:07:46.000 What does that mean?

01:07:46.000 I don't know.

01:07:47.000 Let's find out.

01:07:47.000 That means there's a claim, and Huffington Post can't disprove it, but they're saying Uber's failed to prove it.

01:07:51.000 So this isn't going to help anybody. 0.99

01:07:53.000 Stephen Crowder, read the fucking quotes before you get crazy and defend. 0.99

01:07:57.000 I'm reading the headline. 1.00

01:07:58.000 You're so right-wing.

01:07:59.000 I am very right-wing.

01:08:01.000 Here's from Time.com, then, instead.

01:08:04.000 Hand me that beer, son.

01:08:06.000 Time.com.

01:08:07.000 Oh, Uber reveals how much its drivers really earn, sort of.

01:08:10.000 Uber has long said that drivers get paid more than traditional cabbies, but do they really?

01:08:15.000 Driver surveys, strikes, and class action lawsuits suggest otherwise.

01:08:19.000 Most recently, BuzzFeed.

01:08:21.000 Is that okay?

01:08:21.000 Is it okay if it's BuzzFeed?

01:08:22.000 Is that too left-wing, you fuck? 1.00

01:08:24.000 Yeah, BuzzFeed is fake news. 1.00

01:08:25.000 Fake news.

01:08:26.000 Fake news.

01:08:28.000 BuzzFeed, you fake.

01:08:29.000 Estimate.

01:08:29.000 Terrible Trump impression.

01:08:31.000 The drivers in Denver, Detroit, and Houston make less than $13.25 an hour after expenses using calculations based on more than a million trips.

01:08:42.000 Well, that's not good.

01:08:43.000 This spring, Uber was hit with two class action lawsuits from drivers in Florida and Illinois who seek to recover unpaid overtime wages and other expenses.

01:08:54.000 This is after the company...

01:08:55.000 This is our...

01:08:56.000 Yeah, it happens in our thing too, our feed.

01:08:59.000 No, we have one shitty TV that can't handle an HDMI cable and it cuts out every minute and a half.

01:09:04.000 We have one of those. 0.92

01:09:05.000 Who seek to recover unpaid overtime wages and other expenses.

01:09:13.000 This is after the company paid $100 million to settle similar lawsuits in California and Massachusetts.

01:09:19.000 Okay.

01:09:20.000 California, Massachusetts, big union strongholds.

01:09:22.000 But if they have lawsuits, and if there is a lawsuit that does make sense enough where a judge decides that they're going to rule against Uber...

01:09:33.000 I mean, I don't know the law.

01:09:35.000 Do you?

01:09:36.000 Do you know if they're in violation?

01:09:38.000 It depends on a right to work state.

01:09:39.000 But wouldn't you assume that the lawyers and the judges in Massachusetts would make a strong enough case where they would show the legality of it to the point where it wouldn't lose a $100 million lawsuit?

01:09:52.000 No, I wouldn't assume.

01:09:53.000 Do you know anything about the lawsuit?

01:09:55.000 Well, here's what I would know, whether it's a right-to-work state or not, and that would determine the lawsuit.

01:09:59.000 And that's why people like Bernie Sanders, and that's why people...

01:10:02.000 Oh, geez, what happened there?

01:10:03.000 You opened that too fast?

01:10:04.000 Oh, bro.

01:10:05.000 Just go.

01:10:06.000 Do it like you did the pipe.

01:10:07.000 I'm not scared.

01:10:08.000 I'm scared of nothing, bro.

01:10:10.000 So it depends on if it's a right to work state or not.

01:10:12.000 I don't care.

01:10:13.000 If they make less than cab drivers, I don't care.

01:10:15.000 Well, let's illuminate people.

01:10:16.000 What is the difference between a right to work state?

01:10:19.000 Effectively means you don't have to join a union.

01:10:20.000 It means you can work without being a part of the labor union.

01:10:23.000 So that would determine the case.

01:10:25.000 Just for example, that's why when we do hidden camera videos, we have to make sure that it's a one-party consent state as opposed to a two-party consent state.

01:10:31.000 Right, like Nevada, when they used to do those prank call shows.

01:10:34.000 You remember Crank Yankers?

01:10:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:36.000 They would do it in Nevada.

01:10:37.000 Right, because California is a one-party consent state.

01:10:39.000 No, it's two.

01:10:41.000 Nevada.

01:10:42.000 No, no, but California is one.

01:10:44.000 What do you mean?

01:10:45.000 California...

01:10:45.000 Well, I'm getting the definition wrong.

01:10:47.000 What I'm thinking is we both have to agree.

01:10:49.000 Is that true?

01:10:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:49.000 They would do it in Nevada instead of California.

01:10:51.000 Right.

01:10:51.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:10:52.000 Yeah.

01:10:52.000 Right.

01:10:52.000 In Nevada, you can call me up and prank me.

01:10:55.000 Can't do it in California.

01:10:55.000 I wouldn't have to agree.

01:10:56.000 Right.

01:10:57.000 That might have changed.

01:10:58.000 It might change.

01:10:58.000 For example, in Michigan, it was really controversial.

01:11:01.000 It was a one-party consent state.

01:11:02.000 That depending on the judge read as a two-party consent state.

01:11:05.000 So that's really scary because you can be in the clear, right?

01:11:08.000 We recorded a prank call or we found some kind of corruption and it should be legal, but there's a little wiggle room where they can say, actually, this isn't legal and you committed a felony.

01:11:17.000 So that's a problem with that.

01:11:19.000 So in these right-to-work states, when you have this Uber situation, is the issue that it's taking cabs out of business, or is the issue that they are not paying people enough and they're taking cabs out of business?

01:11:34.000 So the cab drivers, if they switched over to becoming Uber drivers, they would actually lose money because these companies aren't regulated, so they don't have to pay insurance, health insurance.

01:11:45.000 I mean, that seems like what the issue is, right?

01:11:48.000 That's what they would say the issues are.

01:11:49.000 It's not true?

01:11:50.000 Well, no, it's not necessarily true.

01:11:52.000 And again, that depends on the state.

01:11:53.000 So first off, I would want to clarify, just for people listening, it would not be the right-to-work states.

01:11:56.000 The right-to-work states would be fine.

01:11:58.000 Right.

01:11:58.000 A right-to-work state means I have the right to say, hey, do you want to work for this amount?

01:12:02.000 And you have the right to say yes.

01:12:03.000 A non-right-to-work state.

01:12:05.000 As long as it's above minimum wage, everybody's cool.

01:12:07.000 Yeah.

01:12:07.000 I mean, as cool as you can be, right?

01:12:09.000 And what is a non-right-to-work state?

01:12:12.000 Depending on the profession, if there's an established union in that profession, you can't work outside of that union, right?

01:12:18.000 Now, is that the case with trades, like plumbing, being a carpenter, auto repair?

01:12:24.000 Yeah, generally speaking.

01:12:25.000 Is auto repair, do they have a union?

01:12:27.000 It depends on the state.

01:12:28.000 It depends on the state.

01:12:29.000 But Shale's son actually would have some stories about his dad being in the plumber's union.

01:12:33.000 He has some stories about that.

01:12:34.000 Vince Vaughn has some funny stories about that.

01:12:36.000 He's told, actually, when he worked at his dad's, like, paper mill.

01:12:39.000 But to go back to it again, first off, I don't care.

01:12:42.000 If someone agrees to this price and this service, I believe that's a marketplace of ideas and services, and you have the right to do it.

01:12:48.000 And I have the right to provide those services.

01:12:51.000 Now, if Uber's doing a poor job, thank God there's Lyft.

01:12:54.000 Right?

01:12:54.000 Because there's some competition there.

01:12:55.000 But if the government steps in and says, no, you have to use the cabbies unions, well, even then you can artificially increase wages at the expense of the taxpayer who now has to pay more for a taxi ride.

01:13:04.000 So I don't care.

01:13:06.000 I think that people should be able to make their own decisions if they want to do Uber, if they want to rent out their house in Airbnb.

01:13:11.000 And I don't think that Nancy Pelosi in the Bay Area representing her district should have any say in whether I can rent it.

01:13:17.000 Well, I agree with you 100% on that.

01:13:18.000 And I think there's also a real problem with people resisting change because technologically influenced change is coming at such a high rate.

01:13:26.000 There's no way you could put a finger in all the holes in the dam.

01:13:28.000 It's just you can't do it.

01:13:29.000 There's too many things that are happening that are going to change the way we communicate, change the way we do business, change everything from top to bottom.

01:13:38.000 You're not going to be able to stop it.

01:13:39.000 So anytime you're trying to stop something like an Uber, the only thing that I think is that...

01:13:44.000 You've got to figure out, how's the money being distributed, and is that fair?

01:13:48.000 And if it's not fair, what's the solution?

01:13:52.000 Because is the solution alert people to what the actual numbers are and let it all sort itself out, or is it passing regulation?

01:14:01.000 I'm a firm believer that the less regulation you have...

01:14:05.000 The better right and that's what it's not like environmental pollution type shit the invisible hand right the mark that moves the market I certainly believe that the market is more efficient at regulating itself than the government creating a monopoly Well, also because unions can be influenced.

01:14:21.000 And when you get large groups of people together, I think it's good because what a union can do is they can say, you know, hey, we're going to stand strong. 0.99

01:14:31.000 We're not going to let these people take advantage of us like some sort of slave labor factory in the Middle East or wherever the fuck it is. 0.98

01:14:36.000 We're going to figure out a way to... 0.99

01:14:38.000 If you work here, you're going to get an honest wage.

01:14:40.000 And I'm 100% with that.

01:14:42.000 The problem is that you get giant groups of people that you can't go against.

01:14:49.000 Someone's going to be in control of those giant groups of people.

01:14:52.000 I'm glad that you touched on that.

01:14:52.000 That's an important point.

01:14:54.000 It's no different than being the mayor of a city or the leader of a country.

01:14:57.000 It's no different than being beholden to Goldman Sachs or J.P. Morgan.

01:15:01.000 And if you look at the top political donors, you can bring that up from Open Secrets, if you look at the top 20, it's like 16 out of the top 20 are big unions.

01:15:07.000 So this idea that it's big banks and the Koch brothers and energy companies...

01:15:11.000 No one wields more influence in American politics today than big unions, particularly the Democratic Party.

01:15:17.000 Because it's power, because they can influence the people that are members.

01:15:19.000 Or they can also take dues from you, give 100% to Democrats, and you have no say.

01:15:23.000 Well, it's one of the big contributors to the war against drugs.

01:15:26.000 One of the big things that's happening in this country is the prison guard unions have spent money to ensure that innocuous things like marijuana are They stay illegal.

01:15:38.000 Because if they stay illegal, then they keep their jobs.

01:15:40.000 Like, they've literally fought for that.

01:15:42.000 Like, fought to keep more people in cages, because that would earn them more money.

01:15:47.000 I mean, that's really what it is.

01:15:48.000 We break it down to black and white.

01:15:50.000 And it's...

01:15:51.000 Did you just make a joke about the discriminatory prison system in the United States?

01:15:54.000 That was cold.

01:15:55.000 I didn't say black and white because I meant black and white people.

01:15:57.000 I meant black and white in terms of the reality of the situation is that prison guard unions are spending money and using their influence to ensure...

01:16:08.000 It didn't work in the United States.

01:16:10.000 You said influence.

01:16:10.000 Influence.

01:16:11.000 Sound like from South Park.

01:16:12.000 Influence!

01:16:13.000 To ensure that marijuana stays illegal.

01:16:16.000 And the reason why they're doing that is because they profit off of it.

01:16:18.000 So that's not an altruistic ideal.

01:16:21.000 That's not someone who cares about the people that they represent.

01:16:23.000 That's not someone who cares about their community as a whole.

01:16:25.000 That's someone who's looking out for their best interest in a way that is negative.

01:16:29.000 Right.

01:16:29.000 Towards the general population.

01:16:31.000 I agree with you, and I think that's where the wool was pulled over people's eyes with people like Bernie.

01:16:34.000 Well, he's from the people.

01:16:35.000 He's never gotten big donors.

01:16:36.000 That's actually not true if you look at the collective donations from union members and from union organizations.

01:16:40.000 And when you look at that, and what bothers me is when people follow the money trail on only one side and act as though the political left is unbeholden to people.

01:16:49.000 Big point, what you just said, on one side.

01:16:51.000 Because I think you can see the benefits in unions as well.

01:16:54.000 You can see the benefits in protecting wages, and making sure that people get insurance, and making sure that people live a good life.

01:17:01.000 That, like, if you're going to work for this company, you're going to be well compensated, and there's going to be an agreement between the workers, And the people that run the company.

01:17:10.000 Well, there's a problem with that.

01:17:11.000 And the problem with that is...

01:17:12.000 But there's not always a problem with that.

01:17:13.000 There is occasionally, sometimes...

01:17:16.000 No, that's the rule rather than the exception.

01:17:18.000 And I talked about this when we talked about the Walmart CEO, for example, makes $19 million, right?

01:17:22.000 People are furious about that.

01:17:23.000 Well, Walmart employs 2.5 million people.

01:17:26.000 1.5 million people.

01:17:27.000 Full-time.

01:17:29.000 So he's getting less than, well, if you add up all the workers, not the full-time workers, it would be less than $10 per person he's employing and providing an active living.

01:17:38.000 So when you have workers who say, well, he has 19 million, that's more than, I have no million, 19 is 19 more millions.

01:17:45.000 These people, they pick an arbitrary number.

01:17:47.000 That's what Bernie Sanders was doing in the debate with Ted Cruz.

01:17:49.000 Whether you like him or not, it was such a floor mopping because Bernie Sanders dealt with these phantom fears and, again, tried to victimize groups and marginalized groups.

01:17:58.000 And my point that I was talking about there is, for example, we talked about the victimized groups, the marginalized groups who don't have insurance in the country, right?

01:18:03.000 It was 40-something thousand.

01:18:04.000 Well, most of them were young people who chose not to buy insurance.

01:18:07.000 So now you can stand your parents' insurance until 26. There you go.

01:18:10.000 We bought some votes.

01:18:11.000 So you talk about them, and they're getting more affordable insurance now, and now the play is, we're going to take all these people off of insurance.

01:18:17.000 Okay, so we're talking about that victimized group, people who didn't buy insurance.

01:18:20.000 But what about the people who've seen their premiums go up?

01:18:22.000 Hardworking Americans, 40-something percent.

01:18:25.000 24% on average.

01:18:26.000 In certain states, 46%, sometimes 60-something percent.

01:18:30.000 Their premiums have gone up.

01:18:31.000 Why don't we talk about the ramifications of the everyday Americans who now can no longer afford insurance?

01:18:36.000 Health care insurance and don't qualify for a government subsidy.

01:18:39.000 And if you look at the trend, I will argue this and I'll dig my heels in if I feel I have to.

01:18:44.000 The political left seeks to divide and conquer and find for sure the most victimized group of that day.

01:18:51.000 How so?

01:18:52.000 What do you mean the most victimized group of that day to do what?

01:18:55.000 Well, I think, well, like right now, for example, I'm just using that as an example, because you said a concrete example with Obamacare.

01:19:00.000 So right now, these people aren't going to be able to afford insurance.

01:19:02.000 Well, there are a ton of people...

01:19:04.000 Let's not go too far away from unions, because we're way out into the Obamacare pool.

01:19:09.000 Well, no, because we were talking about that...

01:19:10.000 That pool is deep and long.

01:19:12.000 No, no, it's not.

01:19:13.000 It's really not.

01:19:13.000 Obamacare is a deep, long pool.

01:19:15.000 You subsidize, technically, healthcare at the cost of other taxpayers who couldn't afford it, and now they can't afford healthcare.

01:19:21.000 Let's start from the beginning, because you went way out there, and you started out with the CEO. I went out there, and you have Alex Jones on the show, and I went out there.

01:19:28.000 You went out there in terms of you covered so many different things before anybody could address either one of them.

01:19:33.000 You have to slow down and take it point by point if you want to.

01:19:37.000 You said that this guy makes so much money that if everybody gave him 10 bucks, like, why should they give him 10 bucks?

01:19:44.000 Here's the thing.

01:19:45.000 Like, what is this guy doing?

01:19:46.000 Because it's the single biggest employer of people in the United States.

01:19:48.000 He's just a guy who works for them.

01:19:50.000 He doesn't even own it.

01:19:51.000 Why does this guy make so much money?

01:19:53.000 I'm not saying he should.

01:19:54.000 I'm not saying he shouldn't.

01:19:55.000 Maybe he should make that much money.

01:19:57.000 But why defend that?

01:19:59.000 Why defend that?

01:20:01.000 If you say, can I get a raise?

01:20:03.000 And they say, no. 0.97

01:20:04.000 And you go, wait, that guy makes 15 fucking million dollars a year and he doesn't even work. 0.96

01:20:08.000 What does he do? 0.99

01:20:09.000 He sits behind that desk and punches keys.

01:20:11.000 Let me unpack what you just said.

01:20:12.000 There are a lot of assumptions.

01:20:13.000 He doesn't work.

01:20:14.000 Why does that guy make that much money?

01:20:16.000 I'm joking.

01:20:16.000 That's me sometimes.

01:20:17.000 This is the guy who's in the factory.

01:20:20.000 This guy doesn't even have a real job. 1.00

01:20:21.000 He gets driven around a fucking limousine. 1.00

01:20:23.000 He gets 15 million. 1.00

01:20:25.000 We can't get a raise.

01:20:26.000 That's my point.

01:20:27.000 You can just tell them, this is too much. 0.64

01:20:29.000 But don't you think, and this is what I think, if that guy really does make that amount of money, he's probably like, how the fuck am I pulling this off? 0.53

01:20:36.000 All he's doing is extracting numbers from some system by his choices. 0.62

01:20:39.000 I don't think so at all.

01:20:40.000 Ones and zeros and moving things around and making sure the profit margin increases.

01:20:44.000 And he gets a piece of that and he just... 0.99

01:20:46.000 Living like a fucking baller on a yacht, a golden bikini with a bottle of fucking Dom Perignon. 0.99

01:20:51.000 Why is he a cross-dresser now in a golden bikini? 1.00

01:20:54.000 He's having fun. 1.00

01:20:55.000 He's fucking balling. 0.99

01:20:56.000 He made $15 million this year. 1.00

01:20:58.000 He can do whatever the fuck he wants. 0.66

01:20:59.000 But there's room for debate as to what a job is worth. 0.99

01:21:05.000 And I think that we do a good job on my show of having people on who disagree and engaging in those debates. 1.00

01:21:10.000 We don't just say, you're an idiot, you're a racist. 1.00

01:21:11.000 But about this subject right here. 1.00

01:21:12.000 Just about this subject right here.

01:21:13.000 I think you made a lot of assumptions.

01:21:14.000 How do I make an assumption?

01:21:16.000 There's room to debate how much a job is worth.

01:21:19.000 Yes, there is room to debate.

01:21:20.000 But it should be determined by the value of a company and the services rendered, not some arbitrary number because Bernie Sanders throws at a percentage point.

01:21:27.000 I'm not saying that he's right.

01:21:28.000 I'm just saying, well, I think it's totally within the interest of all the people that work for a company that are critical to this company actually working to figure out, like, hey, how much should we get for this?

01:21:39.000 How much do they get?

01:21:40.000 And when one guy's getting 15 million bucks and the other guy's getting $15 an hour, and you've got to, like, this guy, if this guy doesn't work, this guy doesn't get any money.

01:21:48.000 Like, these people have to work.

01:21:49.000 If they didn't work, the CEO would make zero dollars because there would be no profit.

01:21:53.000 So someone has to work.

01:21:55.000 So I don't think it's outside the realm of rational discourse to discuss how much a person should make to be a CEO. No, I don't think it's outside the realm of rational discourse.

01:22:05.000 I do think people are wrong when they say, for example, to take your argument, how much a CEO should make. 0.82

01:22:10.000 I think that's silly.

01:22:11.000 You shouldn't be able to determine that.

01:22:12.000 I don't think you should either.

01:22:13.000 Just like I don't think you should be able to say $15 an hour for putting together fish fillets. 0.92

01:22:19.000 You know, fucking Steve Jobs type character comes in and starts running a company and all of a sudden it goes blockbuster through the roof and becomes Apple. 0.99

01:22:28.000 I don't think you should be able to say that guy doesn't deserve way more money than the average person because fucking of course he does. 0.99

01:22:34.000 That guy is an obsessed genius who's making this company... 0.97

01:22:38.000 So who determines what's okay?

01:22:39.000 Exactly.

01:22:40.000 Who does determine?

01:22:40.000 I think the market does.

01:22:41.000 But isn't it a relationship between the people who are...

01:22:44.000 This is Bernie Sanders' point of view, I would imagine.

01:22:47.000 Right.

01:22:47.000 The people that don't have a say.

01:22:49.000 The people that are making the least amount of money, they're the easiest to replace, and they're the ones that are worried about being treated fairly.

01:22:57.000 Well, first off, I would say...

01:22:59.000 Have you no hearts?

01:23:00.000 Exactly.

01:23:00.000 That's exactly what leftists do.

01:23:01.000 That's why they get mad.

01:23:03.000 They say, you're conservative, therefore you don't care about poor people.

01:23:06.000 Do you care about poor people?

01:23:08.000 Well, I was sleeping out of an 82 Datsun when I first lived in Los Angeles, so I cared about myself, let's put it that way. 0.99

01:23:14.000 I used to be in high school, but I don't want to talk to those fucks. 0.99

01:23:17.000 Back in the day. 0.99

01:23:19.000 But that's the thing that they'll say is write a tribute motive.

01:23:21.000 And I think we both know.

01:23:22.000 I think you don't do it.

01:23:23.000 I don't do it.

01:23:24.000 I don't attribute motive.

01:23:25.000 I don't say, well, you do this because you hate poor people.

01:23:28.000 Or you do this because...

01:23:29.000 But you do have to look at the numbers.

01:23:31.000 And you do look at a certain point.

01:23:32.000 When people say they're underrepresented, they have no voice.

01:23:34.000 Well, that's not true with union workers.

01:23:36.000 They have a huge voice.

01:23:37.000 They have huge political influence.

01:23:38.000 These people don't not have a voice.

01:23:40.000 They have a voice.

01:23:40.000 They have the media and entertainment industry.

01:23:42.000 They have, you know, the entire music industry has been so far left for so long pushing for these same ideas.

01:23:48.000 Not country.

01:23:49.000 A lot of those people are actually pretty far.

01:23:50.000 Kid Rock was just telling me how most of them are pretty far left.

01:23:53.000 Come on, son.

01:23:53.000 Country music is not far left.

01:23:55.000 So you're taking an extreme, okay, let's remove country. 0.99

01:23:57.000 Toby Keith, get the fuck out of Dodge. 0.99

01:23:58.000 Toby Keith. 0.99

01:23:58.000 Well, stop. 0.99

01:23:59.000 You remove country. 0.92

01:24:00.000 It's one of the biggest genres of music in this country. 0.99

01:24:02.000 Not only that, I bet they sell more fucking albums than anybody. 0.96

01:24:05.000 Is Country going out there and making Redacted and Lions for Lambs and Rendition and Avatar and all these anti-corporate screeds? 0.99

01:24:13.000 I don't even know what you're talking about.

01:24:15.000 What are you saying?

01:24:16.000 Avatar the movie?

01:24:16.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:24:17.000 It's a fucking movie about aliens, bro. 1.00

01:24:19.000 Avatar the movie is possibly the biggest piece of neo-environmentalist propaganda. 1.00

01:24:24.000 Oh, you. 1.00

01:24:25.000 You son of a bitch. 1.00

01:24:27.000 Did you see James Cameron? 1.00

01:24:28.000 Avatar is a fucking amazing movie about blue aliens and love. 0.99

01:24:32.000 I walked out just out of boredom. 0.99

01:24:33.000 That guy fell in love with that blue alien.

01:24:34.000 He became one of them, bro.

01:24:36.000 He was paralyzed.

01:24:36.000 They put him inside the blue alien mind.

01:24:38.000 James Cameron could buy an island and paint people blue and have them run around for the rest of his life if he wanted.

01:24:43.000 Instead, he decides to print them out on Blu-rays using petroleum products. 1.00

01:24:47.000 Bro, it was a dope movie and you're a fucking communist. 1.00

01:24:52.000 It's a fucking great movie. 1.00

01:24:53.000 You didn't enjoy it? 1.00

01:24:54.000 No, I hated it.

01:24:55.000 I thought it was a terrible film.

01:24:56.000 Jesus Christ, dude, it's great.

01:24:58.000 Really? 0.99

01:24:58.000 It's fucking flying dragons. 0.99

01:25:01.000 Badass marines. 1.00

01:25:02.000 What else do you want? 1.00

01:25:03.000 What kind of a pussy am I talking to? 1.00

01:25:04.000 What happened to you? 1.00

01:25:05.000 You've been up in Michigan too long.

01:25:07.000 It's too cold in the winter.

01:25:08.000 It's too cold in the winter, therefore I need to like Avatar.

01:25:10.000 Bro, it's bad for your brain. 0.98

01:25:11.000 You don't think straight.

01:25:12.000 You just want to stay home.

01:25:14.000 Do you actually like Avatar as a satire?

01:25:16.000 Great.

01:25:16.000 Can't wait for Avatar 2. Really?

01:25:18.000 Heard it's underwater.

01:25:19.000 Even better.

01:25:21.000 They just stole that idea from Mario.

01:25:23.000 Level 2, let's make it underwater. 1.00

01:25:24.000 James Cameron is a bad motherfucker. 0.99

01:25:26.000 He's one of the best directors of all time. 1.00

01:25:28.000 His movies are classic.

01:25:29.000 He's a great director. 1.00

01:25:30.000 He's also a political moron. 1.00

01:25:32.000 I don't care about his politics. 1.00

01:25:33.000 He makes great movies.

01:25:34.000 No, but that's not the point I was making.

01:25:35.000 The point I was making was you took an example.

01:25:37.000 See, I was talking about the media, the entertainment industry, the backlash for someone who, I'm not even a huge supporter of Donald Trump.

01:25:42.000 Neither one of us are, so I think we can be relatively objective.

01:25:45.000 So let's remove country. 0.78

01:25:46.000 But if you look at the internet, have you turned on CNN recently?

01:25:49.000 Turn on the drink.

01:25:49.000 Slow down.

01:25:50.000 Have you turned on CNN recently?

01:25:52.000 Cheers.

01:25:53.000 Cheers.

01:25:55.000 Drink it.

01:25:56.000 Gotta go to the airport.

01:25:57.000 This is literally like the guy in high school.

01:26:00.000 I want you to relax.

01:26:01.000 If you love me, you'll drink it.

01:26:02.000 That was a dope movie. 0.97

01:26:03.000 It was horrible.

01:26:04.000 The guy in high school?

01:26:05.000 If you love me, you'll drink it? 1.00

01:26:06.000 Who the fuck were you partying with? 1.00

01:26:08.000 Guys like you, apparently. 1.00

01:26:12.000 Kid Rock being considered as potential Senate candidate.

01:26:15.000 I know.

01:26:15.000 Did you see that today?

01:26:16.000 Hold the fuck on. 1.00

01:26:17.000 Is that true? 1.00

01:26:18.000 He's a bow hunter.

01:26:19.000 In Michigan.

01:26:19.000 I'm with him.

01:26:19.000 I'm voting for him.

01:26:20.000 I actually just saw his interview with Dan Rather last night.

01:26:22.000 It was pretty interesting.

01:26:23.000 Yeah?

01:26:23.000 He's a lot smarter than I think I'd give him credit for.

01:26:26.000 He's not a dumb guy. 0.87

01:26:27.000 He's not a dumb guy.

01:26:27.000 And have you ever seen him live?

01:26:29.000 No, I have not, but I like what he does.

01:26:31.000 You know what he does?

01:26:31.000 He puts a lot of effort into it.

01:26:33.000 He gives extremely low ticket prices, like 20 bucks, for a guy like him that's huge.

01:26:37.000 Sells out these places, and he gets a piece of the booze.

01:26:39.000 He's smart.

01:26:40.000 He's a smart guy, and he's given his audience a good deal.

01:26:45.000 He makes a good deal with the venues. 0.98

01:26:46.000 Like, look, if Kid Rock's showing up, this fucking place is selling out. 0.99

01:26:49.000 So let's just make a deal. 0.99

01:26:50.000 Let's make a deal.

01:26:51.000 And his deal is...

01:26:52.000 He's really smart.

01:26:53.000 I like what he's doing.

01:26:54.000 Well, that's a good example of a guy not being forced to do it.

01:26:57.000 Yeah.

01:26:57.000 Right?

01:26:57.000 He's just doing it because he wants to do something that helps people.

01:26:59.000 Plus, he's got a dope Cadillac.

01:27:01.000 You ever seen his Cadillac?

01:27:02.000 I haven't.

01:27:02.000 He had one of them West Coast Customs, custom-made Cadillac.

01:27:06.000 It's the shit, man. 1.00

01:27:07.000 Pretty goddamn impressive. 1.00

01:27:09.000 That might make sense, he started a beer company. 0.95

01:27:11.000 Remember that?

01:27:12.000 He started?

01:27:13.000 Yeah, he started a beer company.

01:27:14.000 It was called, like, Badass, American Badass or something Beer.

01:27:17.000 I like Kid Rock.

01:27:18.000 There, I said it.

01:27:19.000 Do you like his music or do you just like him as a dude?

01:27:21.000 Yeah.

01:27:21.000 No, I like him, man.

01:27:21.000 Some of his music is not bad.

01:27:23.000 I agree with you.

01:27:23.000 Some of his music is really not bad, and it's become popular to crap on him.

01:27:26.000 I like him for that Cadillac.

01:27:29.000 These unabashedly friends with Ted Nugent.

01:27:30.000 Are you still really into cars?

01:27:32.000 I love cars.

01:27:33.000 Because I remember I was listening to your podcast once and you said, it's only to the point when you make so much money that you no longer care about money.

01:27:39.000 And you use your car as an example.

01:27:41.000 You said, for example, I got a dent or something in my car at one point would have lost my mind because that car meant so much.

01:27:47.000 And now I was just like, okay, it's only a car.

01:27:50.000 So that was a good point, though, that you made that when you have enough money, it's kind of like...

01:27:54.000 It's what I call guerrilla Buddhism. 0.58

01:27:55.000 Okay.

01:27:56.000 Like, the idea of, there's part of Buddhism that you should not be attached to items, you should not be attached to objects, and you, you know, I have a friend of mine who became a Buddhist monk and he wouldn't even have sex anymore.

01:28:08.000 He gave up on sex.

01:28:09.000 All carnal pleasure, all pleasure, all attachment to women, attachment to relationships, and the idea is that you don't want to be connected to that because what you are connected to owns you.

01:28:18.000 And my take on that was, okay, but does it have to own you?

01:28:23.000 Can't you just enjoy automobiles?

01:28:25.000 Can't you enjoy engineering?

01:28:27.000 You say that you can't own a thing.

01:28:31.000 You can't possess a thing.

01:28:32.000 I feel like that is so ignorant of the world that we live in. 1.00

01:28:36.000 It's so ridiculous. 0.99

01:28:37.000 You're choosing to act in a way that you're ignoring this amazing technological revolution that is going on right before your eyes. 0.96

01:28:47.000 Right. 0.96

01:28:47.000 And it is going to fucking happen whether you ride a bike to work or not. 0.96

01:28:52.000 It's gonna happen. 0.99

01:28:53.000 It's what people do.

01:28:54.000 We are a part of this cascade of electronic progress, of electronic innovation, and it's never gonna stop.

01:29:03.000 Until we kill ourselves.

01:29:10.000 I want to talk cars.

01:29:14.000 There's nothing wrong with appreciating things that people make, whether it's an automobile, whether it's a painting, a sculpture.

01:29:22.000 I feel like cars are like People look at them as just transportation, and I totally appreciate that because they are.

01:29:30.000 If you get a Prius, it's just transportation.

01:29:32.000 I said they're works of art. 0.99

01:29:33.000 If you get a 1969 Mustang, that is a goddamn marvel of time. 0.72

01:29:38.000 It is a moment where people decided to just create something that just looks inherently like... 0.97

01:29:46.000 Like, collectively badass. 0.98

01:29:48.000 No one looks at a 69 Mach 1 and goes, that's fucking gross. 1.00

01:29:52.000 If you do, fuck you. 1.00

01:29:54.000 I don't even know what that is. 1.00

01:29:55.000 If you do, fuck you, right? 1.00

01:29:57.000 If you look at a 69 Mustang, you don't say, wow, that's crazy looking. 1.00

01:30:01.000 That's amazing.

01:30:01.000 But isn't that a big irony that you're able to appreciate it and not be attached to it because you've been more financially successful?

01:30:08.000 Well, that's what I say.

01:30:09.000 This is the whole point of this whole thing.

01:30:11.000 It's not a rational, normal position to take because most people are behind the eight ball all the time and always need to pay their bills.

01:30:18.000 Look at that car.

01:30:19.000 Look behind you, sir.

01:30:20.000 Look at that guy.

01:30:21.000 Oh, is that a TV not one?

01:30:22.000 Yeah.

01:30:22.000 Well, it cuts in and out.

01:30:23.000 We talked about that earlier before you were drunk.

01:30:25.000 Yeah, it looks nice. 0.99

01:30:26.000 That's a fucking amazing car, man. 0.99

01:30:29.000 That 1969 Mustang is a marvel. 0.99

01:30:32.000 It all came together.

01:30:33.000 It's just, they figured it out.

01:30:35.000 They just figured out some way to make something that just is incredibly pleasing to your eyes and doubles as transportation.

01:30:43.000 Do you have one?

01:30:43.000 Nah, I should get one, right?

01:30:46.000 There's a company that takes them, and this is what I like, they take the inside of it and the engine and all that stuff out, and they put a 2012 Shelby GT500 inside of it.

01:30:58.000 So you get, like, anti-lock brakes, you get airbags, you get everything.

01:31:03.000 Yeah.

01:31:03.000 And then they, you know, they put it together and sell.

01:31:05.000 That's the way to go.

01:31:06.000 This was actually my experience with very nice cars.

01:31:08.000 I went to buy a car, and I had very little money.

01:31:12.000 So I went and I looked.

01:31:13.000 There was a 2003 Ford Taurus with like 60,000 miles on it.

01:31:17.000 An old guy had cataracts, so they took away his license.

01:31:19.000 You know, I can drive!

01:31:20.000 And I'm like, no.

01:31:20.000 They took away his license.

01:31:21.000 So I went in to buy this Taurus.

01:31:23.000 The guy took like four grand for it.

01:31:24.000 Not a great car.

01:31:25.000 It's getting you from point A to point B. But I had to walk through cars.

01:31:29.000 One from George W. Bush.

01:31:31.000 One, I can't remember the singer, and there was one that was the exact same model of car that James D died in.

01:31:37.000 Apparently they're only like 13 or 15. Porsche Spyder?

01:31:39.000 You had a Porsche Spyder?

01:31:40.000 No, no, I didn't have it.

01:31:41.000 I walked through it.

01:31:42.000 Here's the crazy thing.

01:31:42.000 What does that mean?

01:31:43.000 This guy, I'll finish the story.

01:31:44.000 This guy who was selling this old 2003 Taurus.

01:31:47.000 What are you, a ghost?

01:31:47.000 This is what he drove.

01:31:49.000 Right?

01:31:49.000 But you know what his business was?

01:31:51.000 What?

01:31:51.000 His business was customizing cars like that Porsche Spyder and doing high-end cars, people like George W. Bush, the nicest cars in the country, and he drove a 2003 Ford Taurus that I bought from him.

01:32:03.000 It was just this surreal experience walking through these cars that, I mean, you don't even want to touch, right?

01:32:07.000 You don't want to put a fingerprint on it.

01:32:09.000 And this guy, I found out later, was a multi-millionaire, could afford any car that he wanted.

01:32:13.000 He had a 2003 Taurus.

01:32:15.000 Well, some people do that because they want to stay low-key and they just want to just kind of chill.

01:32:19.000 Yeah.

01:32:19.000 You know, there's that.

01:32:21.000 There's definitely that.

01:32:22.000 Like, Henry Rollins drives a Mazda 6. He drives like a regular car.

01:32:26.000 And the reason why he does it is because he's just like, he doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

01:32:30.000 Henry wants to sit in front of his gigantic $200,000 speakers and listen to records. 0.99

01:32:35.000 He doesn't care about his car.

01:32:37.000 So for him, he doesn't want to ball.

01:32:39.000 He doesn't want to floss.

01:32:40.000 He wears the same t-shirt.

01:32:42.000 He has like 100 gray t-shirts.

01:32:43.000 He wears the same thing every day, he said.

01:32:45.000 So he's a fascinating character in that regard because he's a guy who has financial means.

01:32:50.000 He's a very wealthy guy, but he chooses not to spend it on things like that.

01:32:53.000 Yeah.

01:32:54.000 Well, it's like my dad gave me this analogy one time where talking about cars, the ability to appreciate it, but you don't need it.

01:32:59.000 It's like air, right?

01:33:00.000 If all of a sudden you stopped breathing and you don't have air, all you can think about is breathing, right?

01:33:04.000 That's the first thing.

01:33:05.000 Well, just like in jiu-jitsu, if you're being suffocated by a 300-pound guy in side control.

01:33:09.000 Well, it's the same thing with money.

01:33:10.000 If you take away the money, all you can think about is money because you need money.

01:33:14.000 And my point was, like we were talking about earlier, is we don't want people in those positions determining exactly what I have to do with my money.

01:33:21.000 Well, conversely, personally, as soon as you get money, you get this stress alleviation that's palpable.

01:33:29.000 I mean, I'm sure it's happened to you, because you've been really successful over the last few years.

01:33:32.000 When you, all of a sudden, don't worry about whether or not you could pay your gas bill this month, it's a different feeling.

01:33:39.000 Until I was 25 years old, every day of my life was check to check. 0.88

01:33:44.000 Every day, I was barely, I mean, fucking barely, you know, lying to the landlord. 0.94

01:33:48.000 I sent it! 0.95

01:33:48.000 What happened? 0.95

01:33:50.000 I mean, everybody who's been in that situation where you're literally wondering, how much can I spend today to eat?

01:33:58.000 And I've been there, and we've all been there.

01:34:00.000 I got a development deal way back in the day with Disney, of all people.

01:34:05.000 Yeah, of all people.

01:34:06.000 I was on a Disney show.

01:34:07.000 You're just like, he's a young, good-looking guy, let's put him into Disney.

01:34:10.000 I was a little stud muffin when I was young.

01:34:12.000 And then they saw your set, they're like, um...

01:34:13.000 No, I was Boy Pretty.

01:34:15.000 They wanted me on TV. Well, it was, you know, 1993 or something like that, so I got a development deal because I did an MTV half-hour comedy hour.

01:34:23.000 Remember those shows?

01:34:24.000 Yeah, I do.

01:34:25.000 I did one episode of the MTV half-hour comedy hour, and I got a development deal from Disney because of it.

01:34:30.000 I got this little thing, and they sent me some money.

01:34:34.000 And as soon as they sent me some money, it was like literally like someone just took a weight, like lifted it, like I was carrying around a weighted backpack my whole life.

01:34:44.000 And they took it off.

01:34:45.000 And it wasn't enough money where I was wealthy, where I could say, I don't have to work again.

01:34:49.000 But it was enough money where I didn't have to think about money for a year.

01:34:52.000 And so all of a sudden I was like, wow.

01:34:54.000 Wow.

01:34:55.000 This is what it feels like to not worry about your bills.

01:34:57.000 Like, I've never felt this before.

01:34:59.000 And then I became obsessed with maintaining that position.

01:35:03.000 Okay.

01:35:03.000 Once you realize that, I was like, oh my god, I'm a bulldog.

01:35:06.000 I'm going to work constantly.

01:35:07.000 I'm going to do stand-up.

01:35:09.000 I'm not quitting anything.

01:35:11.000 That's why I work too much.

01:35:12.000 Why was that?

01:35:13.000 Because I realize how important it is to not be dependent on anyone.

01:35:17.000 Yeah.

01:35:18.000 To not change...

01:35:19.000 Like, here's the thing about...

01:35:20.000 Look, you're talking about Hollywood and the way people behave in Hollywood.

01:35:23.000 It's...

01:35:24.000 In many ways, it's a self-enforcing ideology.

01:35:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:30.000 In that you know that someone like Meryl Streep, who gets up in front of the Golden Globes or whatever the fuck it was, and says crazy shit... 1.00

01:35:39.000 Which are not the real arts! 0.99

01:35:40.000 Right, but when she's saying that, what she's doing is, it's a war cry for the like-minded.

01:35:47.000 There's no reason to say that for any other reason.

01:35:50.000 She wants to rally the troops. 0.77

01:35:52.000 She wants to enforce her ideas, and she wants to make sure that everyone is on board. 1.00

01:35:58.000 And the reason she said something so stupid is because... 0.99

01:35:59.000 She's royalty, but she's Hollywood royalty. 1.00

01:36:01.000 And because of that... 0.99

01:36:03.000 She would say something that stupid that was received the way it was because she probably ran it by a bunch of people beforehand. 1.00

01:36:09.000 I doubt that. 1.00

01:36:10.000 But the point is not a single person there, they all roared and cheered.

01:36:12.000 Of course.

01:36:13.000 Not a single person there goes, what?

01:36:15.000 Of course.

01:36:16.000 They're surrounded by people.

01:36:17.000 But what I'm saying is that those people that are reacting to that, they may agree with it or they may feel like they have to agree with it.

01:36:25.000 Yeah.

01:36:25.000 I don't ever want to be the guy who feels like he has to agree with something.

01:36:29.000 Right.

01:36:29.000 I grew up in a weird way where like my parents got, they broke up when I was really young and we moved around a lot and I didn't have roots.

01:36:38.000 I didn't live in one place until Massachusetts when I was 13. I lived there for a long time.

01:36:43.000 That was the first place I lived for a long time.

01:36:46.000 And I got a chance to see the way people cling to ideas versus Actually believe things and I think it's very important to find out what you actually believe and it's almost impossible in Hollywood Yeah Because in Hollywood people have to audition for things right and I've been there man It's gross you go in this room and some person looks at you and they have a clipboard They're judging you and they have power and the same way that unions can have power and unions can control groups

01:37:16.000 of people the same thing can happen for really self-righteous ideologues who happen to be holding that clipboard Well, then there's also the throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

01:37:25.000 We're calling anybody who has a worldview an ideologue.

01:37:28.000 And I do think that you're susceptible if you don't have a framework from which you look through the world.

01:37:33.000 If you don't have a prism where you go, okay, hold on a second.

01:37:35.000 But if you're a hardcore Democrat, do or die, without any exceptions whatsoever, you're an ideologue.

01:37:39.000 If you start going, us versus them. 0.78

01:37:41.000 I've had conversations with people in Hollywood where they've talked to me about the Democratic Party.

01:37:46.000 They go, we have to win the House.

01:37:48.000 If we win the House, then we get this.

01:37:49.000 I go, what is this we, man? 1.00

01:37:50.000 You make a fucking cartoon! 1.00

01:37:52.000 But then you have people who just go, man, it's left and right, it's all the same. 1.00

01:37:55.000 No, it's not.

01:37:56.000 You do need to determine a prism through which you see the world.

01:37:58.000 For example, there's a very clear decision you make.

01:38:01.000 Do I believe in choice?

01:38:03.000 Do I believe in freedom and personal liberty?

01:38:04.000 Or do I believe in equal outcomes?

01:38:06.000 And that doesn't mean that you line up with either party the same on every single issue.

01:38:10.000 But it is a filter through which you will be able to see issues.

01:38:14.000 Explain those options again.

01:38:15.000 A good example is right now.

01:38:17.000 Someone has to make a decision right now.

01:38:20.000 What are the three options that you said?

01:38:22.000 No, I put two options in one.

01:38:23.000 Do I value personal liberty and choice?

01:38:27.000 Freedom of choice.

01:38:28.000 Or do I value the idea of equal outcomes?

01:38:31.000 Oh, well equal outcomes is ridiculous because I can't play basketball.

01:38:35.000 But you can't understand that unless you have some kind of it.

01:38:38.000 There's an ism there.

01:38:39.000 Don't you think that a lot of people need to compete in things?

01:38:42.000 People need to play dodgeball.

01:38:44.000 They need to bring back dodgeball. 1.00

01:38:45.000 You gotta realize, stay away from that big fucker. 0.99

01:38:47.000 That guy throws that dodgeball, it's gonna hurt. 1.00

01:38:50.000 When the little kid gets hit, rush him.

01:38:54.000 That's real! 0.95

01:38:54.000 The Asian kid with the glasses, you beat him as soon as the whistle blows. 0.95

01:38:58.000 Maybe that kid's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:38:59.000 Maybe he's from Thailand. 1.00

01:39:00.000 Maybe people have been fucking with him since he was little. 0.99

01:39:02.000 Pretty rare. 1.00

01:39:03.000 Catch him outside, he'll kick you in the dick. 1.00

01:39:05.000 How about that guy? 1.00

01:39:06.000 That's possible.

01:39:06.000 That's entirely possible.

01:39:07.000 But the point is, there is an ism.

01:39:09.000 And people don't need to shy away from saying, you know what, I do have a worldview.

01:39:12.000 An ism? 0.99

01:39:12.000 There is an ism. 0.99

01:39:13.000 What do you mean by an ism?

01:39:14.000 There is an ism.

01:39:14.000 Whether it's conservatism, leftism, right-wingism, liberalism.

01:39:20.000 I don't think anybody's ever said leftism until you just said it.

01:39:23.000 A lot of people like to act as though...

01:39:24.000 Well, because liberalism is no longer...

01:39:25.000 Do you think you're the first person to say leftism?

01:39:27.000 I've never heard it.

01:39:28.000 No, I don't think so at all.

01:39:28.000 I've been alive for 49 years.

01:39:29.000 Never heard a single motherfucker say leftism. 0.99

01:39:31.000 Well, because today's left is not the same as classical liberals. 0.99

01:39:34.000 The word leftism.

01:39:35.000 Don't skirt the issue.

01:39:37.000 Yeah.

01:39:37.000 That might be the first time anybody's ever said it.

01:39:39.000 I'll use it.

01:39:39.000 Have you ever heard leftism?

01:39:41.000 Did you Google it? 1.00

01:39:42.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:39:44.000 Even if I made it up, I'll stick with it. 1.00

01:39:46.000 I don't care.

01:39:46.000 I don't think liberalism describes the current progressive movement.

01:39:51.000 But a lot of people say, well, I'm not an ideologue.

01:39:54.000 Well, actually, a lot of people, they don't realize they are to some degree.

01:39:57.000 And you just have to determine to which degree that is and recognize that about yourself.

01:40:01.000 Everyone has a leaning.

01:40:03.000 Well, it certainly makes it easier.

01:40:05.000 No.

01:40:05.000 It makes it easier to get along if you subscribe to a predetermined set of values and ideas.

01:40:09.000 No, no, no.

01:40:10.000 I'm not talking about that.

01:40:11.000 There's no predetermined set of values or ideas if someone says, okay, I'm looking at the world through this lens.

01:40:16.000 Do I look through it where we need to ensure fairness and equal outcomes?

01:40:21.000 Or do I look through it in the idea that people should be free to make their own decisions?

01:40:24.000 That doesn't mean you're subscribing to the Republican platform.

01:40:26.000 Okay, well, you're talking about your first initial...

01:40:27.000 Well, I'm talking about what we were talking about really recently.

01:40:30.000 But I agree with you.

01:40:31.000 Yeah, I mean, I think what we should do...

01:40:34.000 See, I think a big part of the problem with human beings today is that it's not a fair hand of cards that we're all dealt, and some want to pretend that it is.

01:40:49.000 It's not.

01:40:50.000 It's just not.

01:40:51.000 And you know it, and I know it, and we say, well, you know what?

01:40:53.000 You've got to do the best with what you've got, and I agree with that.

01:40:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:40:56.000 The real problem with that is the people that got two fucking ones. 0.99

01:41:01.000 Those people. 0.99

01:41:02.000 Was it a problem?

01:41:03.000 Well, because for them, the guy with four aces just got Donald Trump Jr. You know? 1.00

01:41:10.000 He's a lucky motherfucker, by the way. 0.98

01:41:12.000 Donald Trump Jr. is a very nice guy. 0.99

01:41:14.000 He's a sportsman and a hunter.

01:41:15.000 You have to do that now that he's in power?

01:41:17.000 No, I like him.

01:41:17.000 He's my friend.

01:41:19.000 He's a big hunting advocate.

01:41:20.000 He is.

01:41:20.000 I mean, I only text him, but he's good buddies with friends.

01:41:23.000 Oh my God, you shouldn't have said, now the forums are going to go nuts. 0.97

01:41:25.000 Joe Rogan, Illuminati, Donald Trump Jr. I've said it before.

01:41:28.000 I've said it before.

01:41:29.000 I've heard they're good guys.

01:41:29.000 He's a very friendly guy.

01:41:31.000 Every single person that I know that has come in contact with Donald Trump Jr. has said, he's a lovely man.

01:41:37.000 Nothing but good things about him.

01:41:39.000 That's 100%.

01:41:39.000 When you became more wealthy, when you became more successful, do you find yourself being more generous?

01:41:43.000 I've always been a generous person, whenever I could be, because I realized the importance of camaraderie.

01:41:50.000 I didn't have a lot of friends, because I was constantly moving around.

01:41:53.000 So when I had friends, I valued them greatly.

01:41:56.000 They were not disposable.

01:41:57.000 My friends to me, they are as important as my family.

01:42:01.000 A bunch of my friends have lived with me when they've been broke.

01:42:05.000 When I was single, especially, Tate lived with me, Duncan lived with me.

01:42:09.000 They were like, I've got nowhere to go. 1.00

01:42:11.000 Fuck you do. 1.00

01:42:12.000 Come on, man. 1.00

01:42:12.000 So money just amplified your character. 1.00

01:42:14.000 Didn't change it.

01:42:15.000 Well, it helped me help people.

01:42:18.000 Right.

01:42:19.000 When I had the opportunity to do something. 0.99

01:42:22.000 Look, if you see someone and they're a good friend and you have a bounty of wealth, like let's say a good friend is hungry and you have all this food, you would have to be some kind of piece of shit to say, don't eat my food that I can never possibly all eat myself. 0.99

01:42:37.000 Right. 0.98

01:42:38.000 You would want them to eat so you feel better.

01:42:40.000 But my point is that's who you are, right?

01:42:42.000 And I will say, Joe has been generous with me in the sense of actually allowing me on the show, supporting content, whether people get mad about it or not, and I appreciate that.

01:42:52.000 But the point is the money didn't change.

01:42:54.000 It's like alcohol.

01:42:54.000 It amplifies your character.

01:42:55.000 You're not a racist and you Well, I'm not an alcoholic, so it amplifies my character.

01:42:59.000 No, no, but I'm saying money amplified your character, right?

01:43:01.000 And so that's important for people to know because if you take that and you believe that, again, as a worldview, that money doesn't necessarily, it can, doesn't inherently change who you are, you'll find that you'll see just as many greedy, poor people as you will wealthy people.

01:43:15.000 And that's important because when we're deciding on some arbitrary number and we just toss it to democracy, you can have just as many greedy portions of the masses as you would big bankers, and they can just vote in their own self-interest, and that's not right either.

01:43:27.000 What do you mean by an arbitrary number?

01:43:29.000 Well, I'm saying what should a CEO make?

01:43:31.000 What's the fair minimum wage? 0.57

01:43:33.000 And if you understand that there can be people making less than minimum wage who, if they got the Joe Rogan, they made their break, you worked really hard, but all of a sudden they have millions of dollars, they're just as greedy as they are making $13 an hour?

01:43:43.000 Again, it's looking at the human condition.

01:43:45.000 Unquestionably, you're correct.

01:43:46.000 That there are people that don't care about other people's feelings no matter what they make.

01:43:50.000 But I would say to you, do you have kids?

01:43:52.000 Not yet, no.

01:43:53.000 I would say to you as a parent that a big part of that was how they were treated while they were developing.

01:44:00.000 Sure.

01:44:00.000 And there's genetic variables.

01:44:03.000 There's people that have illnesses, mental illnesses.

01:44:06.000 There's all sorts of variables when it comes to who is Steven Crowder at 29 years of age.

01:44:12.000 Who are you?

01:44:12.000 How did you get to this point?

01:44:14.000 Or who am I at 49 years of age?

01:44:16.000 How did I get to this point?

01:44:17.000 You're 49?

01:44:17.000 49. You look good as fuck, right?

01:44:21.000 I was watching the other day where you lifted a kettlebell. 1.00

01:44:24.000 He said, I'm a strong motherfucker. 0.99

01:44:26.000 I probably didn't say that. 1.00

01:44:27.000 You did say that.

01:44:28.000 You said those exact words.

01:44:29.000 What did I say?

01:44:30.000 It was Brian Callen.

01:44:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:32.000 Oh, that's right. 1.00

01:44:33.000 I'm a strong motherfucker, dude. 0.99

01:44:34.000 He was talking to me about, like, we're only talking about 450 pounds, like, deadlifts. 0.99

01:44:39.000 I'm like, dude, that's not that much.

01:44:40.000 Yeah, because you said you do it with a trap bar deadlift.

01:44:42.000 Yeah.

01:44:43.000 Yeah, I had knee surgery recently, and so for me...

01:44:46.000 I know, you went through the jiu-jitsu drawbacks, and then you got back in and blew your ACL out.

01:44:51.000 Well, actually, I tore my LCL, and the ACL was slightly torn, but they were like, actually, the guy who does the surgery on the Red Wings, he came out, he goes, do you wrestle?

01:44:58.000 I said, yeah.

01:44:59.000 He goes, okay, we rarely ever see an LCL that torn without a blown ACL. He's like, did you do anything where your ankle was going towards your face?

01:45:06.000 Guard pass.

01:45:06.000 Yeah.

01:45:07.000 But the problem is they went in and they fixed that, but that wasn't the real problem.

01:45:11.000 The real problem is my kneecap.

01:45:12.000 I guess whatever it is, the tissue that holds that in place is gone.

01:45:16.000 And they said it would be easier if you had a torn ACL to fix because we know what it is, like with a kneecap, take it out, do a replacement.

01:45:22.000 There's really a 50-50 shift.

01:45:23.000 They're going to replace your kneecap?

01:45:24.000 I mean, he basically said there's no reason to do anything with a kneecap because we don't know what works.

01:45:29.000 Say if they replace it, replace it with an iron one. 0.98

01:45:31.000 And just start fucking people up. 0.98

01:45:34.000 Just go Vanderlei, Silva throwing knees. 0.98

01:45:36.000 Rich Franklin versus Anderson Silva.

01:45:38.000 Anderson just rearranged his face.

01:45:40.000 That was so...

01:45:42.000 Heartbreaking to watch.

01:45:43.000 You know, a lot of dudes wear steel cups.

01:45:45.000 The Thai cups?

01:45:46.000 I don't necessarily think there's a law against it in the UFC. They started making laws against it in Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

01:45:54.000 Because you torque into the spine. 0.94

01:45:55.000 Goddammit, I can't talk. 0.98

01:45:56.000 No, no, here's the deal.

01:45:57.000 I had a buddy of mine, did it to me once, my friend Amir Renovardi. 0.99

01:46:01.000 He got on top, no, he got on top of me, mounted me, and he had a steel cup on, and he was essentially fucking my solar plexus. 0.99

01:46:09.000 It was totally uncomfortable. 0.99

01:46:12.000 I can imagine.

01:46:13.000 Well, it's metal.

01:46:14.000 I mean, you have a metal piece, and it really affects arm bars, in particular.

01:46:18.000 Yeah, it really does.

01:46:19.000 It creates an unnatural fulcrum.

01:46:22.000 Well, a back take, too, is really uncomfortable with a cup.

01:46:24.000 Exactly.

01:46:24.000 It's going into your lower spine.

01:46:26.000 Well, a regular cup, like, I use a diamond MMA cup.

01:46:28.000 You know what those are?

01:46:29.000 They're compression shorts.

01:46:30.000 They're in the shorts, yeah.

01:46:31.000 They're in compression shorts, and the outside of them is like this rubberized thing, and the outside in the front is all like a really hard plastic.

01:46:41.000 There's videos of them showing people taking full groin shots on purpose while they're wearing it. 0.99

01:46:46.000 Yeah, that was their advertisements, like getting kicked in the balls. 0.99

01:46:47.000 It really does protect you in an amazing way. 0.99

01:46:51.000 It doesn't hurt like one of those steel tie cups. 0.99

01:46:54.000 So these dudes who are fucking real sadists, they get these steel tie cups. 0.99

01:46:58.000 It's definitely an advantage. 1.00

01:46:59.000 Is that why they use it?

01:47:01.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:02.000 Kenny Florian fought with it.

01:47:05.000 I'm pretty sure he fought with it. 1.00

01:47:07.000 If you fucking mess up and you kicked Kenny Florian in the dick, you're going to break your foot, kid. 1.00

01:47:13.000 Imagine that bar fight. 1.00

01:47:14.000 Hey, why are you walking with a limp? 1.00

01:47:16.000 I kicked Kenny Florian in the dick. 0.99

01:47:17.000 Well, I'm sure he doesn't wear it to the bar. 0.99

01:47:18.000 I'm talking about in a cage fight.

01:47:19.000 You don't know.

01:47:20.000 That's a judgment you're making.

01:47:21.000 I would judge Kenny.

01:47:23.000 Yeah, but he wears tight pants. 0.99

01:47:24.000 There's no way he's got a fucking tie, steel cup on. 0.98

01:47:28.000 You don't know who he has to impress at the local dive? 0.99

01:47:29.000 There's no one that he's looking to impress. 1.00

01:47:31.000 He's a married man, you son of a bitch. 1.00

01:47:33.000 I thought you were conservative. 1.00

01:47:34.000 Kenny Florian.

01:47:35.000 How dare you go there?

01:47:36.000 I'm going to take more tobacco.

01:47:37.000 Pack it in.

01:47:38.000 Like a lady man. 1.00

01:47:40.000 I don't ask that to kiss ass and say, look, Joe Rogan's so generous. 0.97

01:47:43.000 But I do believe, again, with the idea of isms. 0.93

01:47:47.000 This is a message to people that wonder whether they should be generous or not.

01:47:52.000 Generosity makes you feel better.

01:47:55.000 It does.

01:47:55.000 It just does.

01:47:56.000 It's not a selfish thing.

01:47:59.000 This idea that...

01:48:03.000 Or not not necessarily not a selfish thing this idea that to keep your money yourself You're protecting yourself.

01:48:10.000 You're looking out for number one.

01:48:11.000 It's not true, right?

01:48:13.000 It's the wrong way to think because when you're generous especially when you're generous to friends It's super important the people you actually love that you express that to those people when you do do that and It's good for you too.

01:48:27.000 It just doesn't seem like it's good for you because people are so survival oriented.

01:48:31.000 There's a great book called Who Really Cares?

01:48:32.000 It's about famine mentality.

01:48:34.000 Is it Arthur Brooks or David Brooks?

01:48:35.000 But he went out kind of seeing who actually donates and who's generous and kind of going by political persuasion, by geographical, by just the whole landscape.

01:48:44.000 Let me guess.

01:48:45.000 Conservatives are number one.

01:48:46.000 Yes.

01:48:50.000 Especially religious ones.

01:48:52.000 Yeah.

01:48:52.000 That is actually true.

01:48:55.000 Especially ones from fucking Michigan. 1.00

01:48:57.000 First off, stop mentioning my home state, especially with jihadis out there. 1.00

01:49:02.000 You know, you've seen the Muslim videos.

01:49:04.000 But there is the ism, and this is one thing that I do sincerely believe, and this is why I don't shy away from saying, listen, I'm a conservative. 0.77

01:49:12.000 You said something that was pretty telling.

01:49:13.000 You said, because I wanted to work hard, I never wanted to be beholden to someone again, right?

01:49:17.000 So you made that decision.

01:49:18.000 Well, you knew that if you did that and you worked hard, then you wouldn't be beholden to someone else.

01:49:22.000 That was the assumption you made.

01:49:25.000 The assumption that that is free enterprise, free enterprise or capitalism, to use the term, right?

01:49:33.000 It can only work.

01:49:35.000 Under an optimistic society, under people believing they can retire and do better, socialism, collectivism, can only operate by appealing to people's most selfish nature.

01:49:45.000 By appealing to people saying, listen, the deck is stacked against you.

01:49:49.000 You can't do this.

01:49:50.000 There's someone else out there who has an ace in the hole.

01:49:52.000 You've been born without the leg up that they have.

01:49:54.000 Therefore, I need to help you.

01:49:56.000 That is the big difference.

01:49:57.000 Capitalism can only survive in optimism, whereas collectivism requires the worst of human nature to sustain itself.

01:50:02.000 Maybe.

01:50:03.000 I believe that.

01:50:04.000 But wouldn't it be nicer if people just, if someone figured out a way to say, hey, how much do you really need?

01:50:12.000 Instead of saying you have to do this and put people back on their heels.

01:50:16.000 That sounds like a nightmare.

01:50:17.000 No, that's not what I'm saying.

01:50:18.000 What I'm saying is, can you contribute a small amount that's not even going to affect you, but it's going to help other people?

01:50:28.000 And do you do that?

01:50:29.000 And if you do do that, how do you do it?

01:50:31.000 Do you do it in the form of generosity?

01:50:33.000 Like, do you tip waitresses more than you should?

01:50:35.000 Do you do it in the form of giving out to charities that you feel are very worthy and, you know, you've researched them and you know the people that are behind them?

01:50:43.000 Do you do it in terms of, you know, social work you do?

01:50:47.000 Do you do it in terms of putting out informational videos that help people figure out how they can advance their own lives?

01:50:54.000 We all do, and I know you do too, certain charitable things amongst people we care about.

01:51:01.000 When you address causes that you care about, you go out of your way in a non-selfish way to try to illuminate certain things or add to the coffers of certain organizations that are doing what you think are good things.

01:51:14.000 I agree. 0.98

01:51:15.000 But that should be enforced more than the idea that some people are fucking you, right? 0.99

01:51:20.000 Right. 0.99

01:51:21.000 Well, I agree with you.

01:51:22.000 And that's, again, that idea like you're talking about.

01:51:23.000 Why are you giving to this cause?

01:51:25.000 Why are you donating your time, right?

01:51:27.000 It comes down to either donating money or time, really, at the end of the day.

01:51:30.000 It's some sort of material goods or time.

01:51:32.000 Because you're doing it with the belief that you'll help people.

01:51:35.000 It doesn't work if you're being forced to.

01:51:37.000 Because you don't believe it.

01:51:37.000 Well, there's some people that do it for a tax break.

01:51:39.000 No, that's silly.

01:51:41.000 No one gives away $100,000 to get a $40,000 tax break.

01:51:45.000 The math doesn't matter. 0.99

01:51:45.000 You might have to if you run some fucking LLC. You might have some weird shit. 0.99

01:51:51.000 I'm an LLC. Aren't you an LLC? Of course, son. 1.00

01:51:54.000 I'm talking about the other LLC, son.

01:51:57.000 Bro, I smoke pipes.

01:51:59.000 It smells amazing, though, doesn't it?

01:52:02.000 It's good.

01:52:02.000 It really does smell good.

01:52:04.000 It's definitely way better than cigarettes, which shows you how much the FDA has been fucking you. 0.96

01:52:09.000 Well, actually, now pipes are a controlled tobacco product, which they didn't used to be. 0.97

01:52:13.000 But it's all the chemicals that are actually added to cigarettes.

01:52:16.000 Wait a minute, what does that mean?

01:52:16.000 Does it mean it's hard to get, I have to show my ID to get pipe tobacco?

01:52:20.000 There's something that changed, because with pipe tobaccos, a lot of these local, like a local tobacco shop, they'll do their own blends.

01:52:26.000 So they'll buy pipe tobacco in bulk, like that seersucker from some place in one of the Carolinas. 1.00

01:52:31.000 And I think that's changing.

01:52:33.000 So it actually removes the artistry, where a lot of people are like, this is the blend I can get in, I don't know, you know, Holland, Michigan.

01:52:38.000 You can't get anywhere else.

01:52:39.000 It's amazing.

01:52:41.000 That's going away, and what that does, FDA steps in, is what does it do?

01:52:44.000 It favors the big boys, who send out their tins from one centralized company.

01:52:47.000 The smaller tobacconists can't compete.

01:52:49.000 That's the worry about marijuana.

01:52:51.000 Well, right, if it'll go legal, you don't need these dispensaries anymore, right?

01:52:55.000 Isn't that kind of what'll happen?

01:52:55.000 They'll be out of business?

01:52:56.000 Exactly.

01:52:57.000 It's a problem.

01:52:58.000 But also, people, it's okay to possess it, and it's okay to sell it.

01:53:03.000 Or your friends can give you some.

01:53:05.000 Some of the most satisfying weed I ever got.

01:53:06.000 My yoga teacher gave it to me.

01:53:08.000 That sounds about right.

01:53:09.000 How about that?

01:53:10.000 Every time my wife goes in there trying to give her some kind of weird incense or new essential oil. 1.00

01:53:14.000 Every time?

01:53:15.000 She goes to the pot stores? 1.00

01:53:16.000 No, yoga.

01:53:17.000 Oh, yoga.

01:53:18.000 There's always something they're selling.

01:53:18.000 That's the big difference between essential oils and pot.

01:53:21.000 No, not pot, but they've always got something they want to put on, incense or something.

01:53:24.000 My point is you're beholden to the yoga instructor, so they use it sometimes as a sales pitch.

01:53:29.000 Nonsense.

01:53:29.000 My yoga instructor's pure and she's my friend.

01:53:31.000 What's with the posing with the pipe? 1.00

01:53:32.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:53:36.000 For those who can't see, when Joe just said, fuck you, it actually blew out his own lighter. 1.00

01:53:41.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:53:43.000 Fuck you, right wing. 1.00

01:53:45.000 I sit firmly in the flip-flopping position of the middle. 1.00

01:53:50.000 You don't, though.

01:53:52.000 Here's the thing, you're pretty fair.

01:53:54.000 And I do like to think that, I mean, it's really hard to get leftist guests on our show.

01:53:57.000 That's just a reality.

01:53:59.000 We try and book them, and then after a couple of times...

01:54:02.000 Who's the most leftist guest you've ever had?

01:54:06.000 Well, we had Imam Shoudhury, who actually said I should die on air.

01:54:09.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:54:10.000 Yeah, he's the guy who, now he's in jail for giving to ISIS or something from the UK. So we had to create a whole new Skype address for that.

01:54:17.000 He said you should die on air? 0.97

01:54:18.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

01:54:18.000 Why did he say you should die? 1.00

01:54:20.000 Oh, because I did a Three Stooges routine dressing up as Mahal. 0.77

01:54:22.000 I remember that. 0.99

01:54:23.000 I'm not beating the shit out of his three-year-old wife. 1.00

01:54:24.000 Yeah, isn't that amazing? 1.00

01:54:25.000 You should die for that.

01:54:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:26.000 You should die for dressing up as a guy. 1.00

01:54:28.000 Outside of that, you know, Sally Cohn is pretty far left. 0.99

01:54:31.000 Christopher Titus.

01:54:33.000 Oh, that's what I wanted to talk about.

01:54:35.000 I want to talk about Michael Woods Jr. because we tried to have him on, he wouldn't come on.

01:54:39.000 The Christopher Titus debate was one of the most painful ones I've ever watched.

01:54:44.000 Was it painful for you?

01:54:45.000 It was because I felt as though I usually do try and get into an engagement of ideas and he was just screaming so much.

01:54:52.000 It was more painful for me because I'm a dad.

01:54:55.000 Yeah.

01:54:56.000 Why don't you care about dead kids?

01:54:59.000 No.

01:54:59.000 Something went wrong somewhere along the line to get him to that place where he's arguing about something where he really doesn't know the facts.

01:55:06.000 Yeah.

01:55:07.000 It wasn't just that.

01:55:10.000 It was when you were throwing out laws, regulations.

01:55:14.000 He just didn't know enough and kept arguing about it.

01:55:18.000 You know when someone's arguing about something and they don't know exactly what they're talking about?

01:55:21.000 Yeah.

01:55:22.000 And they've gone down a dark road, and instead of saying, okay, I can't really talk about this because I don't have any facts at my disposal.

01:55:28.000 Instead of doing that, he kept arguing it.

01:55:31.000 Yeah.

01:55:31.000 And I was like, oh, Jesus.

01:55:33.000 And I contacted you afterwards, like, Jesus, bro, this is rough.

01:55:36.000 And you were very nice about that. 0.87

01:55:38.000 You were very nice to him while it was going on because it was fucking ugly, and you were very nice afterwards. 0.95

01:55:43.000 You didn't gloat. 0.97

01:55:43.000 We had him back. 0.97

01:55:44.000 We had him back one time because I wanted to find some common ground.

01:55:47.000 And he just gets so mad.

01:55:49.000 Yes.

01:55:49.000 Sally Cohn...

01:55:51.000 What are you saying?

01:55:51.000 You don't care about dead kids?

01:55:53.000 That's the motive thing that I'm talking about.

01:55:54.000 Here's the thing.

01:55:55.000 I don't shy away from my...

01:55:56.000 It wasn't a motive thing.

01:55:57.000 It was a conversational debate ploy.

01:56:01.000 It was a crude debate ploy.

01:56:03.000 He's trying to box you into a corner.

01:56:05.000 I want to say this because I appreciate Christopher Teddison.

01:56:07.000 We talked off air.

01:56:08.000 He's a nice guy.

01:56:08.000 I do too.

01:56:08.000 He's a nice guy.

01:56:09.000 Whereas someone like a Michael Woods Jr. who refused to come on the show, tried to leverage coming on this show to debate me, is dishonest.

01:56:16.000 And someone who's afraid, or Michael Ian Black, who I recently got into it with, hopefully he'll come on the show.

01:56:21.000 Why'd you get into it with him?

01:56:23.000 Literally, I was on air, and all he did was, we talked about this last time, my video on rape culture, you saw it.

01:56:28.000 What's a Lena Dunham thing where it's one in four women are raped. 1.00

01:56:31.000 And in the video, I literally say, I'm not saying rape isn't a horrible crime and those people should be buried beneath the train tracks. 0.96

01:56:36.000 Okay?

01:56:36.000 Okay.

01:56:37.000 I'm also not apologizing for it.

01:56:38.000 I literally say that in the video.

01:56:39.000 Okay?

01:56:40.000 Okay.

01:56:40.000 And then I get into the stats as to why rape culture doesn't exist in the United States and it does in the Middle East.

01:56:45.000 So all Michael Ian Black tweets out is a portion of that video, a snippet that is not the statistics that I present, a snippet that's a sketch cutaway, just tweets out, holy shit. 0.96

01:56:55.000 And this is the thing that a lot of people do.

01:56:57.000 Right, but if someone sent that to him, if he got a clip, and he saw that clip.

01:57:00.000 It goes further. 0.99

01:57:01.000 It just tweets out, holy shit. 0.99

01:57:02.000 And this is the constant thing, right, that often people who disagree with me politically, who I identify as a left, go, Crowder doesn't think there's a rape culture. 0.99

01:57:10.000 And so if they say it as though it's absurd enough, people go, yeah, that's silly.

01:57:13.000 But I say, well, hold on.

01:57:15.000 Tell me why I'm wrong.

01:57:16.000 And so I said, well, come on the show.

01:57:17.000 Tell me why I'm wrong. 0.93

01:57:18.000 And he said, well, I wouldn't want two straight white guys debating rape culture. 0.91

01:57:22.000 I'd rather you talk with someone who's a victim of rape or a woman would have a better handle on it. 0.95

01:57:25.000 So I said, okay, how about you talk with one of my two head writers, Casey or Courtney?

01:57:29.000 They disagree with you.

01:57:30.000 They'd be glad to debate it.

01:57:31.000 No, I don't think this is going to go.

01:57:32.000 And then I had to call him out on air to the point where he's agreed to come on next Thursday. 0.99

01:57:37.000 But again, the point is, holy shit, this is absurd. 0.99

01:57:40.000 Why is it absurd? 0.99

01:57:41.000 Tell me why.

01:57:42.000 I don't want to show up.

01:57:43.000 If you have to ask, then you don't know.

01:57:44.000 And that's the position today that we see on cable news, that we see from in this election, but you particularly see from people trying to silence dissent.

01:57:52.000 I love the idea of, as a white man, you shouldn't be able to talk about this certain thing.

01:57:57.000 You should be able to talk about bugs on Jupiter, okay? 0.99

01:58:00.000 It doesn't fucking matter what your sexual orientation is, what your gender is, what your race is. 0.98

01:58:08.000 You should be able to talk about things. 0.98

01:58:10.000 Just because you talk to somebody about something doesn't mean you're the premier expert of it.

01:58:15.000 You're the premier?

01:58:16.000 You're the premier expert of it.

01:58:18.000 No.

01:58:18.000 You should be able to talk about things.

01:58:19.000 I think you're right. 0.63

01:58:20.000 That's a silly – it's a plea to the left. 0.83

01:58:26.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:58:26.000 That really is. 0.95

01:58:28.000 What that is, is you're saying things that you think people could possibly criticize you about, and you're cutting it off at the pass before their preposterous ideas get to you and your Twitter feed.

01:58:40.000 Well, to me, I mean, like you said, you disagree with people on certain things, but you're not a coward ideologically.

01:58:45.000 I'm not talking about physically, but you'll allow people on who you disagree with, and you'll change your mind.

01:58:49.000 I would definitely change my mind.

01:58:50.000 I'm not married to my ideas as much as I get criticized for that.

01:58:53.000 No, I think you're pretty consistent in that.

01:58:56.000 And I think, on the flip side, what we try and do is I say, listen, this is my bias.

01:58:59.000 This is what I believe.

01:59:00.000 What's your bias?

01:59:01.000 Like you said, I'm right wing.

01:59:02.000 I'm conservative. 0.99

01:59:03.000 If you go, God damn it, maybe I went too far down this road. 0.98

01:59:07.000 If I could just relax one aspect of my dialogue, what would it be? 0.99

01:59:13.000 Maybe it would be my pipe smoking.

01:59:15.000 Your pipe smoking?

01:59:17.000 I probably, you know, I probably wouldn't talk about the marijuana issue.

01:59:20.000 That.

01:59:21.000 I wouldn't care.

01:59:21.000 Because here's the thing, I don't care about it.

01:59:24.000 One way or the other?

01:59:25.000 But my issue with it is when, and we saw this in Montreal, I talked about it when people lie about it.

01:59:30.000 And they're dishonest with their voting constituency.

01:59:32.000 Like how so?

01:59:33.000 Well, saying, you know, it's medicine for A, B, C, or D. It may be medicine for A, but not for B, C, or D. What are the B, C's and D's?

01:59:40.000 What are the things it's not medicine for?

01:59:41.000 Well, you're asking me what I wouldn't talk about, and you're asking me to defend it.

01:59:44.000 My point is, I don't really care about it.

01:59:46.000 But what are the B, C's and D's?

01:59:47.000 You said it's specific.

01:59:49.000 It cures cancer.

01:59:50.000 Well, there has been shown...

01:59:52.000 It helps with cancer about as much as turmeric and ginger.

01:59:54.000 Those things help with cancer. 0.89

01:59:55.000 Well, all those anti-inflammatory things.

01:59:56.000 Yeah, I know, but it's not a prescription.

01:59:57.000 But CBD has been shown to have tremendous, tremendous benefits for cancer and non-psychoactive.

02:00:03.000 Yeah, and certainly with seizures.

02:00:05.000 I have zero problem with CBD. Which is also cannabis.

02:00:09.000 I feel the need to call people out and bullshit when they say, well, the reason it's not is because of big pharmaceutical companies. 0.98

02:00:15.000 Well, hold on a second. 0.96

02:00:15.000 There are seven patents on chemical compounds for marijuana right now. 0.96

02:00:18.000 Right.

02:00:19.000 The people who stand to make the most out of marijuana legalization are pharmaceutical companies.

02:00:23.000 That's why they make...

02:00:23.000 Well, that's not true.

02:00:24.000 Well, it is.

02:00:24.000 If you look at the biggest supplement companies, it's owned by the same pharmaceutical companies.

02:00:27.000 No, because you can't patent a plant.

02:00:29.000 Yes, you can.

02:00:29.000 They've patented seven, seven, at least.

02:00:31.000 You can patent strains that are GMOs.

02:00:34.000 No, no, no.

02:00:34.000 Seven active chemical compounds in pot that have been patented as drugs.

02:00:38.000 They've gone through the process.

02:00:39.000 There's one that's really efficient.

02:00:41.000 Yeah, but you can't patent it to the point where you can't grow pot.

02:00:43.000 How would you stop someone if pot's legal?

02:00:45.000 If pot's legal, how would anyone...

02:00:47.000 And if that's the truth, then that's a real problem.

02:00:50.000 If pot is recognized as a medicine, right?

02:00:52.000 If pot is recognized, there is no one who would stand to gain more than pharmaceutical companies by providing it as a medicine.

02:00:57.000 That's not necessarily true if people are allowed to grow it themselves.

02:01:00.000 Maybe it's not necessarily true.

02:01:00.000 I'll give you that.

02:01:01.000 But I also think it's not necessarily true that the reason people can't smoke up is because Big Pharma is sitting somewhere, you know, Martin Shrekly going, oh, let's make potty illegal.

02:01:09.000 Well, not that guy.

02:01:10.000 That's my only point.

02:01:10.000 But there are absolutely people who have lobbied, as we talked about how the prison guard union has lobbied to keep marijuana illegal.

02:01:18.000 There's absolutely pharmaceutical companies have done the same thing.

02:01:21.000 It was revealed in the WikiLeaks memos.

02:01:23.000 See, this is where I was saying, don't care about this. 1.00

02:01:25.000 Hold on, don't interrupt me, you fuck. 1.00

02:01:26.000 Where Hillary Clinton said that she's against marijuana in every sense of the word. 1.00

02:01:30.000 Right?

02:01:30.000 You remember those?

02:01:31.000 Trump's pretty against it too.

02:01:32.000 Is he?

02:01:34.000 He said he would leave it up to the states.

02:01:36.000 Yeah.

02:01:36.000 That's actually a constitutional approach.

02:01:38.000 But he's pretty, he wants to beef up the war on drugs.

02:01:40.000 You know why?

02:01:41.000 I bet someone slipped him a pot cookie once and he looked at his hair in the mirror.

02:01:44.000 No, he's a teetotaler.

02:01:45.000 He doesn't even drink.

02:01:47.000 Sold vodka.

02:01:47.000 Doesn't drink, Donald Trump.

02:01:49.000 It's crazy.

02:01:50.000 Ever?

02:01:51.000 No, he says he claims he's never had a drop.

02:01:52.000 Colorado topped one billion in legal marijuana sales in 2016. Good.

02:01:57.000 Holla.

02:01:57.000 Yeah.

02:01:59.000 Holla at Colorado.

02:02:00.000 Yeah.

02:02:01.000 But another thing that we just wrote about, and again, people get mad with the weed issue.

02:02:04.000 Well, no, no.

02:02:05.000 Traffic fatalities regarding marijuana have skyrocketed.

02:02:09.000 Google that because that's nonsense.

02:02:12.000 Drunk driving arrests have dropped.

02:02:13.000 What do you mean?

02:02:14.000 First of all, just because someone gets in an accident and they're high.

02:02:21.000 Hold on.

02:02:22.000 Stop.

02:02:23.000 You interrupt way too much.

02:02:25.000 You need to stop.

02:02:25.000 You talk in paragraphs.

02:02:26.000 No, no, no.

02:02:27.000 I don't talk in paragraphs.

02:02:28.000 I make full points.

02:02:30.000 If people are high a lot, and the same amount of fatalities exist, but the people that get checked once they get into these accidents happen to be high, it does not necessarily mean that marijuana caused those fatalities.

02:02:46.000 It could be that you have an increased incidence of people doing marijuana and altercations that could not have been avoided.

02:02:53.000 It could be.

02:02:54.000 It could be.

02:02:55.000 But the statistical change is measurable.

02:02:57.000 Well, what is it?

02:02:58.000 You're talking about in Colorado?

02:03:00.000 In states where it's been decriminalized or legalized.

02:03:02.000 Let's go with Colorado.

02:03:02.000 Pull it up, Jamie.

02:03:03.000 Hold on a second, hold on a second.

02:03:04.000 You just said, let me make my point.

02:03:05.000 Again, my point is I don't care about it.

02:03:07.000 Yeah, you do.

02:03:07.000 No, I really don't.

02:03:08.000 You don't care about people dying, you son of a bitch. 1.00

02:03:10.000 No, no, you get so touchy about it because someone says, you know what, if people want to smoke up, fine. 1.00

02:03:13.000 I just don't really buy the arguments that everyone is in some big conspiracy to try and snuff it out.

02:03:18.000 No, there are some.

02:03:19.000 And the idea that the drug war will end and the idea that it cures cancer, I just don't buy that.

02:03:23.000 Well, it does.

02:03:23.000 And people get so upset.

02:03:25.000 Well, listen, scientific studies have proven that it shrinks tumors, that it helps people with cancer, much like turmeric, much like any things that reduce inflammation, including CBD oil.

02:03:34.000 Tumeric, ginger, tart cherry.

02:03:35.000 Right, but it's not necessarily a magical...

02:03:37.000 But no one's fighting for those to be.

02:03:39.000 They're all legal.

02:03:40.000 And there's no issue because they're not psychoactive.

02:03:42.000 Right.

02:03:42.000 But they are beneficial.

02:03:43.000 So all these things are good.

02:03:45.000 Marijuana is one of the things that are good.

02:03:47.000 And don't sure, man.

02:03:49.000 Just like you don't sure turmeric, you don't sure ginger, you don't sure a reduced sugar diet.

02:03:55.000 All those things that reduce inflammation are good for you.

02:03:57.000 Yeah, I don't buy that smoking marijuana would be as beneficial as a reduced sugar diet.

02:04:00.000 And my point is that people get so offended by me saying that and saying, but if you want to smoke, go ahead. 0.94

02:04:05.000 You might be correct, but it doesn't matter because it's not a fucking contest to see what's the most beneficial. 0.93

02:04:09.000 The question is, is it beneficial and is it damaging? 0.94

02:04:12.000 It is.

02:04:12.000 It does matter.

02:04:14.000 What's damaging?

02:04:15.000 No, no, let me finish my point.

02:04:16.000 It does matter.

02:04:17.000 You said, what would you not talk about?

02:04:18.000 I said, probably pot, because I don't care.

02:04:20.000 Well, what do you think about it?

02:04:21.000 You definitely care.

02:04:21.000 That's why you're arguing with me about it.

02:04:23.000 I said, this is what I think about it.

02:04:23.000 And your eyes light up.

02:04:25.000 And all of a sudden, ideology and worldviews shouldn't be discussed.

02:04:29.000 You're going to laser in a tractor beam on the most important issue of the day that I said, I don't care.

02:04:34.000 You're the guy that thinks people should be able to do whatever.

02:04:37.000 You're a free market guy, right?

02:04:38.000 That's what I just said.

02:04:39.000 So if you're a free market guy, why wouldn't you be in support of something?

02:04:44.000 Whether it's the most beneficial or equally beneficial.

02:04:48.000 I just said I am.

02:04:48.000 But you're not necessarily because you're denying.

02:04:50.000 But because right now of the chemical compounds. 0.99

02:04:53.000 Hold on, fuckface. 1.00

02:04:54.000 You're denying. 1.00

02:04:54.000 Watch it, watch it. 1.00

02:04:55.000 Come on.

02:04:55.000 It's been a good conversation.

02:04:57.000 We're friends.

02:04:57.000 I'm just joking.

02:04:58.000 Since marijuana legalization, highway fatalities in Colorado are at near historic lows.

02:05:03.000 Hold on a second.

02:05:03.000 You have him bringing up.

02:05:04.000 The source that you want to find.

02:05:05.000 Washington Post!

02:05:06.000 Yeah, Washington Post.

02:05:08.000 Bring up the study that we wrote about on our website. 1.00

02:05:09.000 Look, I don't care about your website, you fuck. 0.99

02:05:12.000 Since marijuana legalization highway fatalities in Colorado are at near historical... 1.00

02:05:19.000 Since you call me a fucking puss and you do this with the crazy lady in a comedy club, you think if you scream enough that it makes a point. 0.99

02:05:25.000 My point is I don't care about it. 1.00

02:05:27.000 Smoke up.

02:05:28.000 And you just said I was interrupting.

02:05:29.000 You're interrupting Alan's screaming.

02:05:30.000 I don't care about it enough.

02:05:32.000 But I don't buy that it's as valuable as a low sugar diet.

02:05:35.000 And the fact that It doesn't have to be as valuable.

02:05:37.000 The fact that you can't have a conversation about this, as civilly as you did every other issue, tells me that there's a problem.

02:05:43.000 It's not true.

02:05:43.000 This is a TNT powder keg.

02:05:45.000 I can.

02:05:46.000 The problem is, I get very defensive when people start talking over me.

02:05:49.000 And you started it first.

02:05:50.000 But the reality is that a low-sugar diet is fine.

02:05:54.000 Sure.

02:05:54.000 It's good, too.

02:05:55.000 Why is there a competition between a low-sugar diet and turmeric and marijuana and CBD oil?

02:06:01.000 Why?

02:06:02.000 Why does it even have to be discussed?

02:06:03.000 Because one is making the claim Regarding legality that it cures cancer.

02:06:07.000 My only point is I don't believe it.

02:06:09.000 Because the other ones are legal.

02:06:09.000 No, my only point is...

02:06:10.000 Because the other ones are already legal.

02:06:12.000 They don't have to fight for it.

02:06:13.000 Yeah, but no one's prescribing.

02:06:13.000 No one's dishing out dispensaries for turmeric or ginger.

02:06:16.000 They certainly are if you go to these local juice shops.

02:06:19.000 Anyway.

02:06:19.000 You go to these juice shops, people are promoting ginger like crazy.

02:06:22.000 I couldn't care less people want to smoke joints.

02:06:22.000 Turmeric like crazy.

02:06:23.000 Go online.

02:06:24.000 I couldn't care less people want to smoke joints.

02:06:26.000 You're an ideologue, buddy.

02:06:28.000 Really?

02:06:28.000 That's an ideologue position by saying leave it to the states?

02:06:30.000 Yeah, you're locked in, man.

02:06:32.000 Really? 1.00

02:06:33.000 You're locked deep into this fucking red state thing, man. 1.00

02:06:36.000 I was raised in a socialist province of Quebec. 1.00

02:06:38.000 That's where your bread is buttered, buddy.

02:06:40.000 A socialist province of Quebec? 1.00

02:06:41.000 And meanwhile, you're over here in America, fucking just as much of an immigrant as some dude who sneaks over the wall that Trump just built. 0.99

02:06:50.000 I was born in Detroit, so that remains to be seen. 0.99

02:06:52.000 It could be annexed.

02:06:53.000 It's a horrible place.

02:06:55.000 It's a horrible place.

02:06:56.000 Detroit?

02:06:56.000 Have you seen that thing where there's a guy who is making an urban farm in Detroit?

02:07:03.000 Oh, that's very common in Detroit now.

02:07:04.000 Well, he's got the largest urban farm, and he's bought up all this land, and as he's bought up all this land, he's taking these dilapidated houses, they tear them down, he's building this farm, really cheap land, and people are getting pissed off at him.

02:07:18.000 They're getting pissed off because this one guy now buys all this land.

02:07:21.000 They're like, well, what about us?

02:07:23.000 Yeah.

02:07:23.000 And there's this weird thing that's going on where people somehow or another are mad at this guy who's trying to do something positive.

02:07:29.000 If I'm not mistaken on that story, I could be wrong, but urban farming was a real...

02:07:33.000 We wrote about that when we did this report in Detroit.

02:07:35.000 I was telling, actually, Jamie about it beforehand.

02:07:36.000 We did a real-time ride-along because people said we selectively edited the worst parts of Detroit.

02:07:41.000 So I went back with my producer, Not Gay Jared. 0.62

02:07:43.000 We said, okay, we're going to start dead center downtown Detroit where all the hipsters drink their coffee and talk about how it's being revived.

02:07:48.000 We will drive out in three different directions.

02:07:50.000 We put a GoPro on top of the car, GoPro in the car, a mileage tab, and a timer clock.

02:07:56.000 And it never took more than about, I think,.9 miles out of the city to certain death.

02:08:01.000 An unbelievable urban plight.

02:08:02.000 The crazy thing about Detroit is you'll see downtown Detroit, and then you look to the left, and it looks like the Upper Peninsula.

02:08:08.000 There's nothing there.

02:08:09.000 It's so desolate.

02:08:10.000 And if I'm not mistaken with that story...

02:08:13.000 Everyone was doing urban farming, but there were some problems with the soil.

02:08:16.000 And so there was a guy who probably found out he could make money if he improved the soil, and he got it down to a system that was more efficient.

02:08:21.000 And people didn't like that aspect of it, because now it's the big urban farmer, right?

02:08:25.000 Well, it's a wealthy guy who bought up a lot of land.

02:08:28.000 Right.

02:08:29.000 And he's a white guy, and he bought it up in this, you know, really urban area. 0.89

02:08:33.000 And, you know, the buildings were all fucked up, and somehow or another people felt like somebody was encroaching in their neighborhood that they had watched deteriorate.

02:08:41.000 There's no one there. 0.78

02:08:43.000 There's no one there in those neighborhoods.

02:08:44.000 There's some people there, but the point is they felt like that should have been somehow or another a part of their world, which is weird.

02:08:50.000 You know, it's weird to think that you deserve something because that's where you live.

02:08:54.000 I think, like we were talking earlier about Uber and all these things, Change is a real part of being an organism that lives on a planet.

02:09:04.000 Right.

02:09:05.000 And whether it's change because of nature, like the fucking shoreline changes, the ocean rises, tsunamis hit the coast, earthquakes change the landscape, volcanoes. 0.76

02:09:16.000 Whether it's that kind of change or whether it's economic change or whether it's technological change, there's going to be change. 0.94

02:09:22.000 And if you're trying to stop change, you're on the wrong side of history.

02:09:25.000 It's not going to work.

02:09:26.000 You're going to try...

02:09:28.000 It's eventually going to overcome you.

02:09:30.000 Yeah.

02:09:30.000 I think, you know, my view is you should allow people to be the change they seek, as Barack Obama put it, and shouldn't try to force change.

02:09:38.000 But if you live in a shit neighborhood and some dude wants to break down the terrible houses and build a farm, that's not necessarily a bad idea. 0.96

02:09:46.000 No, it's not at all. 0.99

02:09:47.000 Yeah.

02:09:47.000 I mean, they have, when we did our video in Detroit, packs of wild dogs roaming the streets in Detroit.

02:09:51.000 Oh, that's real.

02:09:52.000 Yeah, that's real.

02:09:52.000 That's real.

02:09:53.000 And we got fact-checked on it because we did a video on this where we said, you know, packs of...

02:09:57.000 And then I made a joke where I said, apparently there have been grizzly bear sightings, so hopefully this will be our next National Geographic special.

02:10:03.000 Well, there's been black bear sightings.

02:10:05.000 Right.

02:10:05.000 But I got fact-checked.

02:10:06.000 I don't know if it was back then.

02:10:08.000 I don't remember if it was Snopes or something.

02:10:09.000 Someone's saying, Stephen Crowder made the claim that grizzly bears were in Detroit.

02:10:13.000 Fact-check reveals that only black bears have been in the actual...

02:10:16.000 And I was sitting there like...

02:10:17.000 Well, you should fact-check them, because black bears are more likely to be predatory on human beings than grizzly bears.

02:10:24.000 Is that just because of more common interactions, though, statistically?

02:10:27.000 You're very smart.

02:10:27.000 You're right.

02:10:28.000 That's right.

02:10:28.000 Kind of like sharks.

02:10:29.000 It occurs in three to four feet of water.

02:10:31.000 That's where people are swimming.

02:10:32.000 Exactly.

02:10:33.000 But that is the case with grizzly bears.

02:10:35.000 Grizzly bears are way more aggressive.

02:10:37.000 But they don't necessarily associate human beings with food.

02:10:41.000 Are you supposed to play dead or run with a grizzly bear?

02:10:43.000 You would know that, probably.

02:10:44.000 It depends entirely on why the grizzly bear is attacking you.

02:10:48.000 The reality is, if a grizzly bear is attacking you because she's with her cubs, you're better off playing dead.

02:10:54.000 You're better off covering up, protecting your vitals, getting in the turtle position, and taking your beatings. 1.00

02:10:59.000 And kiss your ass goodbye. 1.00

02:11:01.000 She's gonna fuck you up, but she might leave you alone if you just lay still, and then she feels like she can run away. 1.00

02:11:05.000 She's gonna fuck you up no matter what. 1.00

02:11:07.000 She's gonna incapacitate you, but... 1.00

02:11:10.000 If an old male or a predatory male that has killed another human being and recognizes human beings as food, that has happened before, where hikers have disappeared.

02:11:21.000 And hikers disappear all the time to the tune of hundreds of people every year just vanish.

02:11:30.000 I read that actually polar bears will stalk people.

02:11:32.000 Well, that's a different animal.

02:11:33.000 See, polar bears are completely predatory, which means they don't eat any vegetation. 0.98

02:11:38.000 You can get lucky with grizzly bears, where grizzly bears can have a fucking field of blueberries, and they don't want to have anything to do with you. 0.91

02:11:46.000 Because blueberries are delicious, they don't run, and they can just sit there and eat, and they don't have any hunger pangs. 0.98

02:11:52.000 Really?

02:11:52.000 Yeah.

02:11:52.000 How many blueberries would it take to feed a grizzly bear?

02:11:54.000 Well, you know, you're talking about Alaska, like a mountainside.

02:11:57.000 Like in the spring, or in the fall rather, like before they go into hibernation, that's what they primarily eat because all that sugar just gets like straight into the fat, into their bodies, and they store it up big thick fat layers.

02:12:11.000 Yeah.

02:12:12.000 But an animal that has already killed a person is where it becomes a real problem.

02:12:15.000 It's not that animals are evil or animals target people.

02:12:20.000 They recognize food sources that they've already eaten.

02:12:24.000 Did you see those people who were protesting?

02:12:26.000 They were really mad, the rangers at Yellowstone Park.

02:12:29.000 So they're very strict that you cannot feed the bears, you cannot interact with them.

02:12:33.000 And what they do is they had a bear that wasn't necessarily aggressive.

02:12:36.000 They do this all the time, but there was some specific instance that pissed people off.

02:12:40.000 Wasn't necessarily being aggressive, but learned that people would throw food at it.

02:12:43.000 And so they're going, well, not only can we not have that bear doing it, but we can't have other bears seeing that bear as an example.

02:12:48.000 So what they do, their first step is taking the bear far away, you know, somehow transporting them, sedating them.

02:12:53.000 And if it comes back either a second or third time, They euthanize.

02:12:56.000 They have to.

02:12:57.000 And all these people were furious and they're going, no, no, we're doing this so that the bears don't become dependent on humans for food.

02:13:02.000 If you euthanize one bear, that prevents the rest of them, they no longer can forage, can hunt for themselves because they realize these people are going to throw us a sandwich.

02:13:10.000 And that's a great example of just people not knowing, not being informed enough on an issue and instead deciding to be outraged.

02:13:17.000 Like, I don't know about grizzly bears. 0.93

02:13:19.000 I assume the Yellowstone Rangers kind of have their crap together on it. 0.99

02:13:22.000 Well, that's also like PETA people that don't want to admit that PETA kills Thousands of cats and dogs every year and their heads a diabetic who uses insulin which came to you courtesy of animal testing Yeah, but she feels like that's okay because she's a vegan She's skinny fat, 1.00

02:13:37.000 but there's a great podcast that's available right now the most recent meat-eater podcast with Steve Ranella where he talks to a bear biologist Who discusses the history of Yellowstone.

02:13:49.000 At one point in time, the dumps where people in restaurants used to dump all their food was places where people would go to watch bears.

02:13:58.000 We did it at a campground.

02:13:59.000 Wow.

02:14:00.000 What year was this?

02:14:02.000 Gosh, 90s.

02:14:03.000 Where were you?

02:14:04.000 Not in Yellowstone.

02:14:05.000 No, this was in Canada.

02:14:06.000 Okay, they'd already made it illegal in Yellowstone, I think.

02:14:08.000 There were no bears when we went.

02:14:09.000 We just drove by.

02:14:10.000 There was no one.

02:14:10.000 But it was like, yeah, if you go down to this area, it's really cool.

02:14:12.000 You get to see the bears foraging.

02:14:14.000 Well, in Yellowstone, it was one of the main mortality events.

02:14:23.000 It was a huge mortality event because they went cold turkey.

02:14:26.000 They stopped dumping all the trash there.

02:14:28.000 And these bears had become acclimated so much so that they had stopped learning how to forage for food.

02:14:34.000 And bears died en masse.

02:14:37.000 Yeah, it's really kind of crazy.

02:14:38.000 That's also the flip side, you know, with a rescue dog, where I tell people, like, we have a rescue dog.

02:14:43.000 And people get so offended when they say, but if you have kids, probably better to go from a breeder you know.

02:14:48.000 Because, for example, Hopper on the road, we don't know.

02:14:51.000 You know, we don't know what happened to him.

02:14:52.000 He happens to be the most affectionate, loving dog that we've known.

02:14:55.000 But a dog like that, that's starving, can learn to become much more of a wild dog.

02:14:59.000 You know, that can be trained in them.

02:15:01.000 Because they're scared.

02:15:02.000 They're scared.

02:15:02.000 Because they've been scared.

02:15:03.000 And you bring him in, for example, Hopper, he gets recalls.

02:15:06.000 Any gun.

02:15:06.000 Ever since we've had him.

02:15:08.000 Any handgun, rifle, pull it out.

02:15:10.000 Goes nuts.

02:15:12.000 So he's seen guns.

02:15:13.000 He's seen something in a negative connotation with guns.

02:15:15.000 You can't know that.

02:15:16.000 So if you have some kid and he pulls out a squirt gun, now he's not aggressive, he's just a bark if he doesn't like something.

02:15:22.000 And people, I don't know if it was PETA, some animal person got really mad.

02:15:25.000 Well, there's so many dogs that need homes.

02:15:27.000 I'm going, listen, I've rescued a dog.

02:15:28.000 I think if you know what you're handling, you should, if you're able.

02:15:32.000 But if you have kids who don't have a lot of dog training and you don't know where this dog's come from, I place kids higher on the totem pole than dogs.

02:15:40.000 How dare you?

02:15:40.000 You're a speciesist.

02:15:41.000 I know, I am a speciesist.

02:15:43.000 That's a new thing.

02:15:44.000 It is a new thing.

02:15:44.000 Was there a speciesism when we were kids, Jamie?

02:15:47.000 You were younger.

02:15:48.000 There was that film, Species, where that blonde chick... 1.00

02:15:50.000 That's different.

02:15:51.000 Where'd she go?

02:15:52.000 She quit. 1.00

02:15:53.000 I don't know.

02:15:53.000 She's probably doing softcore pornography.

02:15:55.000 How dare you? 0.84

02:15:56.000 Maybe she's writing books.

02:15:58.000 Well, the...

02:15:59.000 So, I didn't know that.

02:16:01.000 I've never thought of black bears as being aggressive toward people.

02:16:04.000 Yeah, man.

02:16:05.000 Ranella, the same guy who has the podcast I was talking about, told me a story of a guy who went on his very first hunt, and while he was in his tent, a 500-pound predatory grizzly bear attacked him.

02:16:17.000 His friend shot the bear and hit him in the wrist.

02:16:20.000 The bear takes off out of the tent, goes to another dude's tent, and they shoot it in that tent to kill it.

02:16:26.000 So everybody's covered in blood and hair.

02:16:28.000 Did they kill it?

02:16:29.000 Yeah, they killed it.

02:16:30.000 But, I mean, the guy had a bullet wound in his wrist.

02:16:33.000 He had been mauled by this bear.

02:16:35.000 I mean, this is his first hunting trip ever.

02:16:39.000 Did you see the reverend?

02:16:41.000 Yes.

02:16:42.000 Remember that there was a rumor before that film came out that Leonardo DiCaprio gets raped by the bear?

02:16:46.000 Did you read that?

02:16:47.000 That was front page at Drudge.

02:16:49.000 You are on the wrong websites.

02:16:50.000 No, no, it was front page at Drudge.

02:16:52.000 Exactly.

02:16:52.000 Where people were so outraged.

02:16:53.000 You are on the wrong websites.

02:16:54.000 No, no, no.

02:16:55.000 And I remember thinking about that and I remember watching it going, this is an example of fake news.

02:16:59.000 Whether it's the right or the left is going, this is clearly not a bear rape scene.

02:17:02.000 But it was a huge rumor that was going around.

02:17:04.000 People were saying, don't go see the rap news.

02:17:06.000 It wasn't huge enough to reach my Twitter page.

02:17:08.000 Well, you have a big Twitter page.

02:17:10.000 You're just too into it, man.

02:17:13.000 You're too deep into the news of the world.

02:17:14.000 I told the story to Chris Lieben at the Revenant.

02:17:19.000 So we're there.

02:17:20.000 I swear this is true.

02:17:22.000 And Chris Lieben thought it was faking it.

02:17:24.000 So we're watching the Revenant and it's right at that scene where he cauterizes his wound with the gunpowder on his neck.

02:17:29.000 So we're sitting there and we're watching it and he's screaming.

02:17:33.000 And so for a second, we didn't realize it.

02:17:35.000 A few rows down, a guy's...

02:17:39.000 All of a sudden starts projectile vomiting.

02:17:43.000 While Leonardo's on screen going, ah, ah!

02:17:45.000 And we're looking, and we're going, oh my god, we think he starts shaking.

02:17:48.000 We think he's having a seizure.

02:17:49.000 My wife, being a sweetheart, goes, okay, everybody, move away. 0.96

02:17:52.000 Someone call 911. And his wife or his girlfriend is like, sweetheart, he's like, ah, ah!

02:17:56.000 And it's going down two rows.

02:17:59.000 I go.

02:18:00.000 I wait for the ambulance.

02:18:01.000 They come in.

02:18:01.000 The guy has vomit all over him.

02:18:03.000 I think someone was sitting in front of him had vomit on the back of his head.

02:18:06.000 They thought for sure he had a seizure.

02:18:07.000 Turns out he had fallen asleep and inhaled a popcorn kernel.

02:18:11.000 And he was just choking.

02:18:12.000 Perfect timing.

02:18:13.000 And then aspirating on his own vomit.

02:18:15.000 So we're watching this film, The Revenant, one of the most graphic scenes in cinematic modern history.

02:18:22.000 Ha! 0.89

02:18:23.000 And everyone's like, what the hell is going on?

02:18:25.000 Wow.

02:18:25.000 What a coincidence.

02:18:27.000 Yeah.

02:18:27.000 And it was, I mean, the guy was embarrassed.

02:18:29.000 He just fell asleep.

02:18:29.000 It's not a cool story.

02:18:30.000 Imagine if it was a scene, like, uh, you remember that movie?

02:18:34.000 What was that movie with, not Matt Damon, Matt Dillon.

02:18:39.000 What was the movie where the two girls are making out by the pool? 0.98

02:18:43.000 Sure.

02:18:44.000 Stranger?

02:18:44.000 No.

02:18:45.000 Oh, Wild Things.

02:18:46.000 Wild Things, yeah.

02:18:48.000 What if he watched that movie?

02:18:49.000 What if that scene was going down?

02:18:51.000 And that popcorn kernel got stuck in his mouth and he started projectile vomiting.

02:18:55.000 Why would that be worse?

02:18:57.000 It'd be way worse.

02:18:58.000 It'd just be more awkward.

02:18:59.000 It makes sense.

02:18:59.000 Like, the guy's scared.

02:19:01.000 There's a bear.

02:19:02.000 He's killing Leonardo DiCaprio.

02:19:04.000 No, don't kill Leo. 0.56

02:19:06.000 You know, don't do it to him.

02:19:08.000 He's the king of the world. 1.00

02:19:10.000 He's in the front of the fucking Titanic. 1.00

02:19:12.000 Don't! 1.00

02:19:12.000 Don't do it! 1.00

02:19:13.000 You know, people freak out at like a bear attack.

02:19:16.000 But if you're freaking out at like a lesbian event, it turns out it was just coincidentally.

02:19:21.000 Just popcorn.

02:19:21.000 And that's the story people are going to tell about you for the rest of your life.

02:19:24.000 Yeah.

02:19:24.000 Bobby saw these two broads making out.

02:19:26.000 They were hot.

02:19:27.000 Choked on his popcorn.

02:19:28.000 He's alone.

02:19:29.000 He's alone.

02:19:29.000 He's by himself.

02:19:30.000 He just starts hurling.

02:19:32.000 Changed his life, bro. 1.00

02:19:33.000 Said he choked on popcorn, but we know that's bullshit. 1.00

02:19:36.000 Oh my gosh. 1.00

02:19:37.000 I've never seen it.

02:19:39.000 I mean, from here to that Buddha statue.

02:19:41.000 The kid in the pie-eating contest in that Stephen King boomy, Stand By Me.

02:19:46.000 Remember that?

02:19:46.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:47.000 The blueberry pie contest.

02:19:49.000 Blah!

02:19:50.000 I would say this is worse because it wasn't like a flow.

02:19:52.000 It was pressurized.

02:19:54.000 It's funny.

02:19:55.000 Because he was also holding his mouth.

02:19:56.000 So it's coming out through a crack, you know, like this, where it's going and squirting.

02:20:00.000 He fell asleep with a popcorn kernel in his mouth.

02:20:02.000 At The Revenant. 0.99

02:20:03.000 In the middle of that fucking really exciting movie. 0.96

02:20:06.000 In the middle of that scene, right where he's cauterizing the wound in his neck. 0.97

02:20:09.000 I felt bad for him.

02:20:11.000 And imagine that.

02:20:12.000 If that wasn't his wife, if that wasn't his fiance, there's a good chance they're not together.

02:20:16.000 Did you think that movie was based on real life events?

02:20:19.000 I have no idea, was it?

02:20:21.000 Supposedly.

02:20:21.000 But incorrectly.

02:20:23.000 Oh, really?

02:20:23.000 Yeah, it's not.

02:20:25.000 Based on a guy.

02:20:26.000 Fake news.

02:20:27.000 They already have.

02:20:28.000 Oh, really?

02:20:28.000 Didn't happen in an environment anything like the environment they filmed it in.

02:20:33.000 They filmed it in this tropical rainforest in British Columbia.

02:20:36.000 The guy never had a son when Leonardo DiCaprio's son is killed in front of him.

02:20:41.000 The only thing that was true was the guy got mauled by a bear and made it back to camp. 0.99

02:20:46.000 All that other shit. 1.00

02:20:47.000 They left him for dead. 1.00

02:20:49.000 They left him for dead.

02:20:50.000 He actually survived.

02:20:52.000 He made it back to camp.

02:20:52.000 That's it.

02:20:53.000 He's like, what the fuck, bro? 1.00

02:20:54.000 And the guy's like, sorry, I thought you were dead. 1.00

02:20:55.000 That's it.

02:20:56.000 That's the movie.

02:20:57.000 The entire teaser was the lead up to the bear attack.

02:21:01.000 And it was him going back and killing the guy who left him behind, who also killed his son.

02:21:04.000 There was no son.

02:21:06.000 Nobody killed anybody. 0.99

02:21:07.000 He got fucked up by a bear and they left him alone. 0.98

02:21:10.000 That's interesting when you think about that. 0.99

02:21:12.000 You go back and...

02:21:14.000 Like Weston Price, you know that Weston Price Foundation?

02:21:16.000 Where they do like the fermented cod liver oil and stuff.

02:21:18.000 And they're a big catalyst for like eating real fats and stuff.

02:21:21.000 And the guy claims...

02:21:22.000 I'm not aware of this.

02:21:23.000 What is it?

02:21:24.000 Yeah, I think it's Weston A. Price Foundation.

02:21:26.000 Where it advocates traditional like Oregon meats.

02:21:29.000 It's been around for a long time?

02:21:30.000 Yeah.

02:21:30.000 I think his name is Weston Price.

02:21:32.000 And because I always watch those movies like The Revenant, and I go, could you imagine how much it smelled or imagine what their teeth were like?

02:21:38.000 But this guy claimed he went down to like, you know, third world sort of African nations where they didn't brush their teeth, but they had perfect smiles.

02:21:46.000 And he claims it was because I don't know if it's true at all.

02:21:50.000 But he says it was because they ate a lot of organ meats.

02:21:52.000 They were getting a lot of vitamin K, natural vitamin D, as opposed to kind of the sugary lifestyle with refined carbohydrates in the new world.

02:22:01.000 And that's a big part of like this whole kind of high saturated fat, organs, bone broths.

02:22:08.000 It's called like Westin something Price Foundation.

02:22:11.000 But I remember there were these pictures side by side of people in the New World who were on largely grain fed diets.

02:22:15.000 And these people were basically third world sort of tribesmen, but they had these beautiful white teeth.

02:22:19.000 That makes sense in some ways that people that live natural lives with natural foods without anything processed would be healthier.

02:22:28.000 Yeah, but the teeth?

02:22:29.000 I mean, they were nice white teeth.

02:22:30.000 Well, sugar for sure definitely deteriorates your teeth. 0.95

02:22:33.000 We know that.

02:22:34.000 We know that kids who eat a lot of sugar and don't brush their teeth, and I think a lot of that is also that stuff getting caught in your gums and your teeth, and it's just not good.

02:22:42.000 It causes tooth decay.

02:22:44.000 We know that.

02:22:45.000 Yep.

02:22:45.000 And the worst thing is sugar-free gummy bears.

02:22:48.000 You ever read those reviews on Amazon? 1.00

02:22:49.000 God, what do they do to your asshole? 1.00

02:22:51.000 That's exactly what the reviews are on Amazon. 1.00

02:22:53.000 I swear to you, if you just Google sugar-free gummy bears, it's just like, my asshole has never been the same size since. 0.99

02:22:59.000 It's just a bunch of people who trolled the Amazon review section for sugar-free gummy bears. 0.96

02:23:03.000 If you're ever just looking for a laugh on a Sunday afternoon, read the Amazon reviews for sugar-free Haribo gummy bears.

02:23:10.000 Do you remember Olestra?

02:23:12.000 There was an additive to like potato chips. 1.00

02:23:15.000 Alester just makes people just rocket shit out of their assholes. 1.00

02:23:21.000 Do they allow it? 1.00

02:23:22.000 No!

02:23:23.000 Well, trans fats are now, they're illegal, but you have, there's a grace period until 2018, I believe, or maybe 19, where companies are allowed to still use that stuff in their potato chips or whatever the fuck they sell, up until then,

02:23:39.000 they're like, that's it.

02:23:40.000 You can poison people for two more years, and that's it.

02:23:42.000 Well, you know why we use trans fats.

02:23:43.000 It's terrible for you.

02:23:44.000 Because of the same environmental vegetarian lobby who, you know, back then McDonald's used beef tallow for their fries.

02:23:50.000 He goes, no, no, you need to be using vegetable oil, hydrogen agent vegetable oil.

02:23:53.000 So that was a bunch of lobbyists.

02:23:55.000 That's why we started eating trans fats.

02:23:57.000 And now they're going, actually, margarine is not as good for you as butter.

02:24:01.000 And they've changed.

02:24:02.000 But that was a huge, powerful lobbying group where the vegetarians, you know, the San Francisco kind of hippie era, that's why trans fats became ubiquitous. 0.63

02:24:09.000 Well, it was also a byproduct of the sugar industry bribing scientists to lie about the beneficial qualities of their sugar.

02:24:19.000 They just pretended that sugar's fine.

02:24:22.000 The corn was addicted to?

02:24:24.000 It's saturated fat.

02:24:25.000 Fat, that's the issue. 0.99

02:24:26.000 And everybody went, shit, we got to get some margarine. 1.00

02:24:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:24:28.000 And these people went out and bought margarine because it terrified of saturated fat because the sugar companies had bribed some scientists. 1.00

02:24:34.000 We had that when we were kids, country croc margarine.

02:24:35.000 We didn't know.

02:24:36.000 It's so bad for you.

02:24:37.000 It's interesting now that that's been revealed.

02:24:39.000 And you find out that those people didn't even get that much money.

02:24:42.000 They got like the equivalent of $50,000 today.

02:24:47.000 Right.

02:24:48.000 To literally lie to everybody about the... 0.98

02:24:53.000 They just made up a bunch of shit about saturated fat, and they just diminished all the negative effects of sugar, and people just started drinking that milk from Captain Crunch. 0.97

02:25:05.000 Remember that milk? 1.00

02:25:06.000 You get that fucking sugary Captain Crunch milk or Cocoa Pops. 1.00

02:25:09.000 It's delicious. 1.00

02:25:09.000 It's absolutely delicious. 1.00

02:25:10.000 We get the chocolate milk out of Cocoa Pops?

02:25:12.000 Yeah.

02:25:12.000 Oh my god.

02:25:13.000 Count Chocula?

02:25:14.000 Oh my Jesus.

02:25:15.000 It's so good.

02:25:16.000 We grew up on sugar.

02:25:18.000 I know.

02:25:18.000 And in Canada, we had a whole different...

02:25:21.000 I didn't realize until I moved to the States.

02:25:22.000 Corn pops in Canada are actually like spherical Captain Crunch.

02:25:26.000 They're not at all like corn pops in the States.

02:25:28.000 There are a lot of little differences because it's such a silly country where you'll be raised there and you'll come here and be like, wait, Oreos aren't the same?

02:25:35.000 Super sugar crisp? 0.53

02:25:36.000 Remember that?

02:25:37.000 I had sugar in the title.

02:25:38.000 That's right, that was the bear, right?

02:25:40.000 Yeah.

02:25:41.000 Yeah.

02:25:42.000 Can't get enough of that sugar, Chris.

02:25:44.000 That's right.

02:25:44.000 Super Sugar Crisp.

02:25:47.000 Can you imagine you have a goddamn drug in the name of your sh- Look at that. 1.00

02:25:52.000 There you go. 1.00

02:25:52.000 That is crazy. 1.00

02:25:54.000 Does that still exist?

02:25:54.000 It's not even good.

02:25:55.000 It's illegal.

02:25:56.000 You go to jail if you even sell that.

02:25:59.000 Super sugar crisp.

02:26:00.000 This is a sugar bear.

02:26:01.000 I'm here.

02:26:02.000 I'm your sugar bear.

02:26:02.000 Can't get enough of that sugar crisp.

02:26:03.000 Super sugar crisp.

02:26:04.000 It gets cold and crisp.

02:26:06.000 What's the difference between sugar crisp and golden crisp?

02:26:08.000 I'm not a bear.

02:26:09.000 I'm a strange mongoose.

02:26:11.000 I'm a mongoose with a t-shirt on.

02:26:14.000 Then there was Cookie Crisp.

02:26:16.000 Remember that?

02:26:16.000 Cookie Crisp.

02:26:18.000 Yeah, they had cookies and milk!

02:26:19.000 Then there was Reese's Puffs cereal.

02:26:21.000 Oh, look at that one.

02:26:23.000 Smacks. 1.00

02:26:23.000 They have an Indian. 1.00

02:26:24.000 A cultural appropriation.

02:26:26.000 Native American.

02:26:26.000 Couldn't do that today.

02:26:27.000 Look at that.

02:26:28.000 What does that have to do with a Native American?

02:26:29.000 What?

02:26:30.000 Smacks. 1.00

02:26:31.000 It's kind of like Latinos selling cards. 1.00

02:26:33.000 They just put tits on it because it sells in their culture. 1.00

02:26:35.000 Oh, inside is a free Indian card. 0.98

02:26:37.000 That's a special Indian edition.

02:26:39.000 Well, that doesn't make it acceptable.

02:26:40.000 They created the Indian cards.

02:26:42.000 It's just as bad.

02:26:43.000 No, it's fine.

02:26:47.000 I like Frosted Flakes.

02:26:48.000 Go down to Frosted Flakes over there.

02:26:50.000 No, they still sell Frosted Flakes.

02:26:50.000 They're great!

02:26:53.000 Yeah.

02:26:53.000 1950s.

02:26:54.000 Good source of vitamin D. Because you added vitamin D. Yeah, throw it in there.

02:26:57.000 There's no natural vitamin D in there. 1.00

02:26:59.000 You got milk, pussy. 1.00

02:27:01.000 Your kid's gonna get sick from sugar? 1.00

02:27:02.000 What kind of fucking shitty kids are you raising? 1.00

02:27:05.000 Reese's Puff Cereal. 1.00

02:27:06.000 That was a big one when I was being here.

02:27:07.000 What?

02:27:07.000 Reese's Puff Cereal.

02:27:08.000 Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs?

02:27:08.000 Reese's Peanut Butter Cuff Cereal.

02:27:10.000 Whoa.

02:27:10.000 You never had that?

02:27:11.000 No.

02:27:12.000 That was a little later than you, I guess.

02:27:13.000 It might have been illegal in my country.

02:27:15.000 They might have been looking out for our best interest by then. 0.86

02:27:17.000 No, I remember it because there was like a fat black kid from Hanging with Mr. Cooper who did the commercials in Canada. 0.81

02:27:23.000 For Reese's, I can't get it over!

02:27:24.000 I love that Reese's Puff cereal!

02:27:26.000 We were sitting there as this kid, he was hanging with Mr. Cooper, and so as a kid, you're like, well, we watched that show on TGIF, we have to get Reese's Peanut Butter Cuff cereal.

02:27:33.000 What's TGIF up there?

02:27:34.000 That was the same thing, ABC, you know, the series. 1.00

02:27:37.000 Down here, it's a fucking place that sells wings. 0.99

02:27:39.000 Yeah, well, no, it was... 1.00

02:27:41.000 Yeah, bad wings, too.

02:27:42.000 They're not that bad.

02:27:43.000 They're pretty bad.

02:27:44.000 You're in Kansas, you're on the road.

02:27:46.000 It's true.

02:27:47.000 TGI Fridays.

02:27:48.000 What's the big deal?

02:27:49.000 Bennigan's is coming back, too.

02:27:50.000 Did you see that?

02:27:52.000 Bennigan's is back.

02:27:53.000 Don't you remember that?

02:27:53.000 They were gone away because everyone was like, oh, okay, Bennigan's we can do without.

02:27:56.000 I didn't even notice.

02:27:57.000 You mean they went under and then they came back?

02:27:59.000 Yep, they were gone, now they're back.

02:28:00.000 I don't know why.

02:28:01.000 Huh.

02:28:01.000 Whole new branding.

02:28:02.000 Probably investment bankers.

02:28:03.000 Probably some dudes from Marin County.

02:28:05.000 It's the globalists!

02:28:06.000 Wire frame glasses. 1.00

02:28:08.000 Those fucks. 1.00

02:28:09.000 Skinny jeans. 0.99

02:28:11.000 Well, what we're trying to do is bring back a really recognizable brand that's really important to America.

02:28:17.000 Have you ever had people do that on this show?

02:28:18.000 Do what?

02:28:19.000 Have you ever had people try to come in and be like, listen, we can take your show even bigger.

02:28:25.000 We just think there are a few tweaks.

02:28:26.000 You ever get those people who approach you?

02:28:28.000 No, which is interesting.

02:28:30.000 Really?

02:28:31.000 No!

02:28:32.000 Everybody's like...

02:28:33.000 No.

02:28:34.000 No.

02:28:35.000 No.

02:28:35.000 Adam Carolla, they got him though, huh?

02:28:37.000 They did?

02:28:37.000 I don't know.

02:28:38.000 I did his show once, and it was the most awkward thing I'd ever done in my life.

02:28:43.000 Why was it so awkward?

02:28:44.000 Well, because the booker, so I was doing Prager University, and it's like, oh yeah, I know, I'll hook you up.

02:28:48.000 And first off, Adam Carolla, he's not like you, like come in and you talk off air.

02:28:53.000 He kind of like doesn't really talk to you until you're on air.

02:28:56.000 Which I can respect, it's professional, but it wasn't on the Adam Carolla podcast.

02:29:00.000 It was Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew had reunited to do like, it's not Loveline, but it's effectively the same thing.

02:29:06.000 Right.

02:29:07.000 And so...

02:29:07.000 They still do that?

02:29:08.000 Well, they brought it back.

02:29:09.000 But I was there for like the first week.

02:29:11.000 No, I was there for like the first week they brought it back.

02:29:13.000 And so it's him and Dr. Drew sitting there doing their shtick at a table, and then I'm literally at the end of the table with nothing to say.

02:29:21.000 Yeah, that sounds about right.

02:29:22.000 They're taking callers from people.

02:29:23.000 Didn't it bring you in?

02:29:25.000 A little bit, but it just, you know, Adam Carolla does his podcast like this with an interview, and that was just, it was really weird, and I think what happened was they didn't realize he wasn't doing the show that day, and they brought me, they were very nice.

02:29:35.000 Dr. Drew and Adam was gracious afterward, but it was clear like it's a two-guy show taking phone calls.

02:29:40.000 And you were just there?

02:29:42.000 Yeah, it was pretty much just there.

02:29:43.000 Did they say your name?

02:29:45.000 No, no, they did.

02:29:45.000 They did, but it was like...

02:29:48.000 We want to take phone calls.

02:29:49.000 Well, Adam does...

02:29:50.000 He essentially does an internet radio show.

02:29:53.000 That's what his show is.

02:29:54.000 Right.

02:29:55.000 You know, I mean, he was...

02:29:56.000 He had his radio show that was a big hit radio show, and then the station went under in L.A., and I think he just decided to do the same format and just do that same format online.

02:30:06.000 Yeah.

02:30:06.000 That makes sense.

02:30:07.000 Well, when we started our show, you know, it was syndicated, and so we had radio, and so we had all these commercial breaks.

02:30:12.000 We used to do it at 6 a.m.

02:30:13.000 on Friday mornings.

02:30:14.000 Yeah.

02:30:14.000 Out of Detroit.

02:30:15.000 And what we did was, well, no one really cares about these commercial breaks nationally, so we just did a bunch of sketches and fake commercials.

02:30:21.000 And that's what created all these characters that people have created these Twitter profiles for because we just said, well, you know, so we're not going to run an ad for a local car dealership.

02:30:28.000 We'll do a fake news break.

02:30:30.000 And we would do, like, fake tornado warnings and stuff like that, which is highly illegal, by the way.

02:30:34.000 We learned that one later on.

02:30:37.000 Because we had to kind of work with the format online, and now we just took it off radio. 1.00

02:30:41.000 Yeah, fuck radio, dude. 1.00

02:30:43.000 That's a dying market. 1.00

02:30:44.000 That thing is not going to last. 1.00

02:30:46.000 It's stupid. 1.00

02:30:47.000 When was the last time you turned on your radio? 1.00

02:30:49.000 I haven't ever.

02:30:50.000 Yeah.

02:30:50.000 I don't even remember.

02:30:51.000 It's another person.

02:30:52.000 I think all the cells in your body, except your neurons, switch every seven years.

02:30:56.000 That means every cell in my body has never listened to the radio.

02:31:01.000 That's real. 0.99

02:31:02.000 That's fucking real, man. 0.99

02:31:04.000 That's like if someone said to me, when was the last time you watched a VHS cassette? 0.99

02:31:08.000 I was another person.

02:31:09.000 That wasn't even me.

02:31:10.000 I don't take responsibility for me of 14 years ago. 0.99

02:31:13.000 Because if I did, I would still be pissed at shit in my pants when I was a baby. 0.99

02:31:17.000 Okay? 0.99

02:31:17.000 Because I would take it back to when I was three. 0.99

02:31:19.000 And I bit my sister or something. 0.99

02:31:21.000 I don't know what the fuck I did. 0.99

02:31:22.000 But you know what I mean? 1.00

02:31:23.000 You bit your sister? 0.56

02:31:23.000 I might have. 0.56

02:31:24.000 I don't know.

02:31:25.000 I don't remember three is my point.

02:31:27.000 You go back to the things you did when you were developing individual.

02:31:31.000 So I feel like every seven years, I don't even want to know what I did 14 years ago.

02:31:37.000 At three, it's pretty rough years.

02:31:38.000 I called my dad's pastor Little Bastard at three.

02:31:40.000 You're probably right.

02:31:41.000 Well, because my grandfather called me Little Bastard, and I thought it was a term of endearment.

02:31:45.000 And so my dad's like, this is Pastor Kevin Butcher.

02:31:47.000 I said, hey, how you doing, Little Bastard? 0.99

02:31:49.000 Well, that pastor should have known, oh, this little kid is getting fucked over at home. 0.99

02:31:53.000 No, you know what happened, actually? 0.97

02:31:55.000 He got outed, and this is actually a point where...

02:31:57.000 Gay?

02:31:57.000 No, no, no.

02:31:58.000 He got outed from the church because I think his pregnant wife was at a Detroit Lions game, and there was a guy with a bullhorn behind her, right up against her ear.

02:32:07.000 And this guy was a pat, but a really good guy, regardless of someone's religious affiliation, but a good guy.

02:32:13.000 And he's like, hey, man, could you stop?

02:32:15.000 My wife's here, you know, whenever she was either pregnant or something.

02:32:17.000 And the guy just looked at him and went, And kept doing it right next to his wife's ear, like got right up on her ear. 0.98

02:32:23.000 And he ended up kicking the guy's ass, getting into a fight with him because the guy was getting up on their space and getting... 0.99

02:32:28.000 Didn't exactly turn the other cheek. 0.99

02:32:30.000 He did not.

02:32:31.000 He did when he asked him to.

02:32:33.000 And so there was a whole vote.

02:32:34.000 And I remember that was when I was pretty young.

02:32:36.000 I thought, well, okay.

02:32:37.000 So they outed him?

02:32:38.000 They got rid of him?

02:32:39.000 I could be wrong.

02:32:40.000 There was a whole controversy over it.

02:32:43.000 And I remember learning about it as a kid thinking, well, that seems pretty reasonable.

02:32:46.000 The guy getting up in his wife's grill and bothering a pregnant woman.

02:32:49.000 Yeah, it's like, what do you do?

02:32:51.000 Because human nature is definitely to hit the person.

02:32:53.000 But do you just leave?

02:32:55.000 No.

02:32:55.000 You know, because your night is ruined.

02:32:57.000 Yeah.

02:32:57.000 Period.

02:32:58.000 Well, I say kick his ass. 1.00

02:32:59.000 I mean, I think what happened was... 1.00

02:33:00.000 You think so? 1.00

02:33:00.000 No, no, I don't think he kicked his ass. 1.00

02:33:01.000 I'm saying the guy got physical, and he got physical with the guy and got the better of him. 0.99

02:33:06.000 So it could have been a shoving match, could have been a punch.

02:33:08.000 He didn't beat him.

02:33:09.000 It wasn't American History X curb stomp.

02:33:11.000 I'm just saying no one expected a pastor to do anything to protect his wife.

02:33:15.000 I get it.

02:33:15.000 Yeah, and that was a big deal.

02:33:18.000 I called him Little Bastard.

02:33:19.000 That's the end of that rabbit trail.

02:33:21.000 Well, you were right.

02:33:22.000 Once he got kicked out, you're probably with that Crowder kid. 1.00

02:33:24.000 He's got vision.

02:33:26.000 He sees the future.

02:33:27.000 This kid's going places.

02:33:29.000 He knew that guy was a brawler. 1.00

02:33:31.000 He's a fucking bleachers brawler. 1.00

02:33:33.000 He gets up there, gets licking up, fucks his wife, gets her pregnant, takes her to the game. 1.00

02:33:40.000 That crowd has gone places. 1.00

02:33:41.000 He called it.

02:33:42.000 He's going to go to Fox News for four years.

02:33:44.000 Waste four years of his life.

02:33:46.000 I saw him on this show once with Amy Schumer.

02:33:48.000 He argued with her.

02:33:50.000 Oh, man.

02:33:51.000 I took his side.

02:33:53.000 He argued with it.

02:33:54.000 What is this voice?

02:33:56.000 What did she do? 0.80

02:33:56.000 You guys were on some show and she was trying to diminish you as a comedian. 0.80

02:34:00.000 Yeah.

02:34:01.000 She was trying to say you weren't a comedian.

02:34:03.000 Yeah.

02:34:04.000 Isn't that an interesting thing?

02:34:05.000 There's a thing that people do in the world of stand-up comedy where they decide, oh, he's an opener.

02:34:09.000 He's a middle act.

02:34:10.000 Right. 0.98

02:34:11.000 You know, there's this weird sort of a thing, and someone, like, if they're looking like shit on you, oh, you do comedy? 0.98

02:34:17.000 Right. 0.97

02:34:18.000 Oh, you do comedy?

02:34:19.000 Yeah, what have you done?

02:34:19.000 You do a few open mics?

02:34:21.000 You think you're a fucking comedian? 1.00

02:34:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:34:23.000 I really...

02:34:23.000 It's very, very common.

02:34:25.000 I really dislike that.

02:34:26.000 Yeah.

02:34:26.000 She did that right off, and I knew it because she was asking me questions in the green room.

02:34:29.000 Like, where do you do comedy?

02:34:31.000 What do you do?

02:34:32.000 And she asked me at one point, do you perform at churches?

02:34:35.000 I said, no.

02:34:36.000 No.

02:34:36.000 I said, no, I never have.

02:34:37.000 But she was so inflexible in her argument.

02:34:40.000 How old were you then?

02:34:41.000 Yeah, maybe 22, 23. I probably would have shit on you too, dude. 1.00

02:34:45.000 Probably would have. 1.00

02:34:46.000 Probably would have been right next to her.

02:34:47.000 But that changed.

02:34:48.000 If you look at the reaction to it. 0.99

02:34:50.000 Me and Amy would have fucking dog tagged you. 1.00

02:34:52.000 Well, no, I don't think so. 0.99

02:34:54.000 It changed drastically.

02:34:55.000 You don't think so?

02:34:56.000 No.

02:34:56.000 What do you think would have happened?

02:34:57.000 You would have won that?

02:34:58.000 Well, I think if you'd have been there, I think you would have done really well.

02:35:01.000 Yeah.

02:35:02.000 Yeah, I do.

02:35:02.000 I think if you watched that thing, her argument was you're not a real comedian.

02:35:05.000 Well, I would have never said that. 0.78

02:35:06.000 And I think Amy Schumer's a 30-something-year-old girl who bitches at people on Twitter now and is unmarried and miserable, and unmarried to a woman I'm pretty happy with. 0.99

02:35:14.000 Are you comparing lives? 0.92

02:35:15.000 I am.

02:35:17.000 I am, and I think I was right.

02:35:18.000 Well, I think that whenever someone says that...

02:35:20.000 And also that she's funny, by the way.

02:35:22.000 Okay.

02:35:23.000 Good for you.

02:35:23.000 I think whenever someone says that you're not a comedian thing, that's an issue.

02:35:28.000 I have an issue with that because we all started out as open micers.

02:35:32.000 And when you're talking to someone who's 22 years old, when I was 22, I was an open miker.

02:35:37.000 I was doing open mic nights.

02:35:38.000 Well, I'd done it just for laughs at that point, so I wasn't an open mic.

02:35:41.000 Yeah, I mean...

02:35:41.000 And, you know, I'd headlined crappy clubs.

02:35:43.000 Okay, were you getting paid?

02:35:44.000 Yeah.

02:35:45.000 Were you a professional comedian?

02:35:46.000 You were making your living off of stand-up comedy already?

02:35:48.000 I've only made my living ever off of acting, stand-up comedy, or writing since 18 years old.

02:35:52.000 Wow.

02:35:52.000 So when you were 22 years old, all your bills, were you living with your mom, or what's going on?

02:35:57.000 No.

02:35:57.000 How are you paying your bills at stand-up comedy when you were 22 years old?

02:36:00.000 Yeah, so I would do stand-up, and I had some pretty relatively successful acting gigs, did some films, commercials, some TV. At that point, I was a Fox News contributor, which paid me a retainer.

02:36:11.000 I did freelance writing, where they would pay by the word.

02:36:13.000 So you were doing stand-up on a regular basis?

02:36:16.000 Because you were a stand-up comic.

02:36:18.000 I don't do it much anymore, I would readily admit.

02:36:19.000 Like, now I don't because the show, you know, everything is a 14-hour day.

02:36:22.000 And I would never claim to be as good of a stand-up as you or Nick DiPaolo or Bill Bauer.

02:36:27.000 By the way, Nick DiPaolo asked me to plug.

02:36:28.000 He's doing his stand-up special in Boston.

02:36:30.000 Yeah, his stand-up special is going on CISO this Thursday.

02:36:33.000 So please go.

02:36:34.000 He's probably the best.

02:36:36.000 For my money, one of the best living comedians.

02:36:38.000 He's certainly one of my favorite. 0.98

02:36:40.000 Nick DiPaolo was goddamn hilarious, and he was here yesterday, and he fucking killed me. 0.83

02:36:44.000 He's a very fun, and a very, very, very good dude. 0.99

02:36:48.000 And another weirdo right-wing fucking... 0.99

02:36:50.000 Yeah, he is. 1.00

02:36:51.000 But, you know, it's pretty common.

02:36:53.000 I mean, Christopher Titus did the same thing.

02:36:54.000 That was the same thing when he started losing the gun issue.

02:36:56.000 He goes, oh, stand-up, I get paid for stand-up.

02:36:57.000 Well, you know, what he was doing was trying to save whatever was going on in his mind.

02:37:04.000 There was a conversation, whether it was a competition, whatever the little battleground in his mind was going on.

02:37:10.000 He was trying to save his patch of land.

02:37:13.000 Well, I think, and I think it would work with most people.

02:37:15.000 I think you would probably agree with this.

02:37:17.000 A lot of stand-up comedians, they have a void, and they're filling it.

02:37:19.000 This becomes their identity.

02:37:21.000 And so for me, it was never my whole identity wrapped up in stand-up.

02:37:24.000 I mean, I had been doing acting since I was 12 years old, and I was tutored on set with a lot of things.

02:37:29.000 You know, I did kids' cartoons at Show Arthur's, how I started out.

02:37:32.000 So I did stand-up, and I'll be the first to admit it, I did it as a means to getting to other avenues.

02:37:38.000 And then it turned out I fell in love with it.

02:37:40.000 But I never planned on doing stand-up my whole life.

02:37:41.000 So if I were...

02:37:42.000 I'm a stand-up comedian.

02:37:43.000 I'm a road comic.

02:37:44.000 I love being, you know, waking up for leftover drugs and being unhappy and bitching about my manager.

02:37:49.000 Leftover drugs?

02:37:50.000 Have you ever heard of such a thing?

02:37:51.000 Yeah.

02:37:52.000 He's got leftover drugs.

02:37:53.000 Going in the refrigerator.

02:37:55.000 What do we got here?

02:37:56.000 Turkey?

02:37:56.000 Oh, drugs.

02:37:57.000 Yeah.

02:37:57.000 Whose drugs is this?

02:37:58.000 I can have them, right?

02:37:59.000 Well, you know, the pride in stand-up of barely getting by.

02:38:02.000 Kind of like New York, right? 0.97

02:38:03.000 You're in a shitty city in a two-bedroom apartment with five roommates. 0.98

02:38:08.000 Right. 1.00

02:38:08.000 And you're proud of it because you can tell everyone how miserable you are. 1.00

02:38:10.000 Mmm. 0.94

02:38:11.000 So it just didn't work.

02:38:12.000 That's not real.

02:38:13.000 Oh yeah, it is.

02:38:14.000 No, no.

02:38:14.000 It's real once you become successful.

02:38:17.000 It's never real while it's struggling.

02:38:19.000 People try to act like it is, right?

02:38:20.000 Like, oh man, I couldn't do anything else.

02:38:21.000 It's the energy of this city. 1.00

02:38:22.000 It's like, you literally, you shit in a drain in the kitchen. 0.99

02:38:26.000 You know, in the Lower East Side? 1.00

02:38:28.000 Who does that?

02:38:29.000 Lower East Side?

02:38:29.000 You're exaggerating.

02:38:31.000 I am not!

02:38:32.000 The right-wing people are always exaggerating. 1.00

02:38:36.000 Shitting into a drain. 0.96

02:38:37.000 I looked at an apartment in the East Village, because they'd have like 19 Polish family members per apartment, and the toilet was right in the middle of the kitchen. 0.98

02:38:43.000 Because they weren't designed. 0.99

02:38:44.000 Sometimes you have to dig a shit when you're cooking bacon. 0.99

02:38:49.000 What do you want these people to walk? 0.99

02:38:50.000 At the same time?

02:38:51.000 It's an extra toilet.

02:38:53.000 There's one for mom while she's making spaghetti.

02:38:55.000 They're multitasking.

02:38:56.000 She can squat. 0.69

02:38:57.000 It's got one of those little squatty potty things.

02:39:00.000 You ever seen that one sign?

02:39:01.000 Like if you go to some places, it's frequented by too many people from Asia. 1.00

02:39:05.000 You'll see signs that show a person standing on the shitter squatting down.

02:39:11.000 It's got a red line through it. 1.00

02:39:13.000 Don't shit this way. 1.00

02:39:15.000 Really? 0.99

02:39:15.000 Yes. 0.99

02:39:16.000 Has it become that popular, the squatty potty?

02:39:17.000 Yeah, I've seen it.

02:39:18.000 I've seen it.

02:39:19.000 I've seen it.

02:39:20.000 Do you use a Squatty Potty?

02:39:21.000 Yes, I do.

02:39:21.000 At home.

02:39:21.000 I would assume so.

02:39:23.000 It helps.

02:39:23.000 Because of the caveman thing.

02:39:24.000 The bowel movement. 0.99

02:39:26.000 Well, I prefer to shit in a hole in the ground. 0.99

02:39:28.000 In the kitchen? 0.99

02:39:30.000 I don't have the time to dig.

02:39:31.000 Like, look at the guy.

02:39:33.000 No, no, no.

02:39:34.000 Hold on.

02:39:34.000 He's not even aiming right.

02:39:35.000 That would just hit the rim.

02:39:36.000 This is a joke one.

02:39:37.000 This is a joke one.

02:39:38.000 But I have literally seen that.

02:39:40.000 That's real.

02:39:41.000 That is an actual real...

02:39:43.000 For people in Asia, Ari Shafir went to China. 0.89

02:39:47.000 And he has this fucking hilarious bit about it.

02:39:49.000 And I don't want to do his bit. 0.96

02:39:52.000 That's real.

02:39:53.000 But in China, he went into a restroom and there was literally a hole in the ground.

02:39:57.000 And you were supposed to squat over the hole and they had no toilet paper.

02:40:01.000 Yeah.

02:40:01.000 That is real.

02:40:02.000 And he told me that when people from Asia who are used to that environment as the norm come over to the United States, sometimes they actually stand on the toilet seat and shit that way. 1.00

02:40:14.000 But the toilet seat is not designed for the aim to be accurate. 0.74

02:40:17.000 If you're sitting on the toilet seat, you'd be crapping on the water tank.

02:40:20.000 They don't know any better, bro.

02:40:22.000 They're from another country without Trump.

02:40:24.000 Without Trump leading them?

02:40:25.000 They don't even know anything, man.

02:40:27.000 This is always what happens.

02:40:28.000 You're tossing defending Trump, I think.

02:40:30.000 Do you think he's a good leader?

02:40:33.000 Are you happy that he's in office?

02:40:34.000 Is it good because it's a shake-up?

02:40:37.000 I will say this.

02:40:39.000 I think that, again, the left has behaved so poorly.

02:40:42.000 Again with this left?

02:40:43.000 Yeah, I think that Donald Trump has been a lightning rod.

02:40:45.000 I would disagree with him on some policy issues, for sure.

02:40:48.000 But I think that because everyone has called him a Nazi and a racist and a sexist and a transphobe, that it's removed those arguments from the table.

02:40:56.000 For at least several decades.

02:40:58.000 Because people are going, yeah, but you said it about John McCain and Mitt Romney. 0.87

02:41:01.000 Everyone you disagree with is a racist.

02:41:03.000 I think that card's been played too much, and because of Donald Trump, it's been overplayed.

02:41:07.000 And I think now, we see with our channel, granted it's not as big as the outreach you guys have, but it's grown pretty substantially, and a lot of our audience are self-professed liberals going, you know what?

02:41:17.000 I used to hate you. 0.98

02:41:18.000 I used to watch the Young Turks, and we used to watch some crap on you, but... 0.98

02:41:22.000 Actually, some of these points make sense. 0.99

02:41:23.000 And I used to think everyone would disagree with me was racist.

02:41:25.000 And I think because it's so overplayed, it's left such a bad taste in people's mouth.

02:41:29.000 I do think that Donald Trump has served a real purpose to shine a light on that.

02:41:33.000 And, you know, that may be the most important point of all at this point in our culture with political correctness.

02:41:39.000 Yeah, I think when things go too far one way, people get upset with that.

02:41:43.000 And when people get too biased, whether it's towards the left or towards the right, it tends to balance things out in the other direction.

02:41:49.000 Like Robert Anton Wilson called Lyndon Johnson the pacifist president.

02:41:54.000 You know why he called him the pacifist president? 1.00

02:41:56.000 Because he was such a cunt. 0.99

02:41:59.000 That he created so many pacifists because of his atrocities that he ordered in the Vietnam War. 0.99

02:42:04.000 People were so upset that more people became pacifists during the Lyndon Johnson administration than ever before.

02:42:13.000 By the same token, he called Reagan the intellectual president. 0.99

02:42:18.000 Because more people just went, oh my god, you gotta fucking... 0.99

02:42:21.000 God damn it, it's important to know things. 1.00

02:42:24.000 God damn it, it's important to be smart. 0.99

02:42:26.000 Like, just say no? 1.00

02:42:27.000 Bitch, what are you talking about, just say no? 1.00

02:42:30.000 You're bringing heroin in from Vietnam! 1.00

02:42:34.000 Just say no! 1.00

02:42:36.000 You're selling coke in South Central to pay for the fucking conscience versus the Sandinistas! 1.00

02:42:43.000 You don't know the Oliver North story? 1.00

02:42:45.000 Do you know Oliver North?

02:42:47.000 The real Rick Ross?

02:42:48.000 You know the whole story?

02:42:49.000 I don't know the whole story with the real Rick Ross.

02:42:51.000 Dude, the real Rick Ross, not the rapper, but the real Rick Ross, who's been on my podcast twice, was a drug dealer in South Central, who they put away for a life due to the three strikes rule, but didn't know how to read.

02:43:04.000 Okay, went to jail, was a drug dealer, made millions of dollars selling coke, okay?

02:43:09.000 Did not have any idea who was bringing him the coke, how he was getting it, where it was coming from.

02:43:14.000 The profits that they were making was literally paying for Oliver North to arm the Contras versus the Sandinistas. 0.53

02:43:23.000 I mean, it was literally, it was all proven in court.

02:43:26.000 I mean, this is what Michael Rupert stood in front of I forget what the gathering was, but on television, on C-SPAN, Michael Rupert, who was a narcotics officer for the Los Angeles Police Department,

02:43:41.000 who has also been on my podcast before he committed suicide, he was the guy that was the focus of that movie Collapse.

02:43:48.000 Remember that movie Collapse where he's talking about...

02:43:50.000 I'm trying to remember who was in that.

02:43:51.000 It was just him smoking cigarettes, sitting there talking about what he knew about the economy, what he knew about all these different things that were problematic in our society and how there's only a certain amount of time before it's going to collapse.

02:44:03.000 It was kind of a crazy doom and gloom documentary.

02:44:06.000 But the point is...

02:44:07.000 He had caught CIA agents, rogue, cowboy CIA agents, in the middle of selling drugs in South Central Los Angeles, reported it, and was in trouble because of that, and decided to go public with it.

02:44:23.000 And they were selling these drugs, they were making shitloads of money, and they were transferring the money to arm these rebels.

02:44:29.000 Well, Rick Ross was in the middle of that and didn't know he was in the middle of that.

02:44:34.000 He was literally selling drugs and funneling this whole thing, went to jail as an illiterate person who literally couldn't read, learned how to read in jail, became a lawyer in jail, learned law, figured out that But you can't charge him for the three strikes rule if it's one thing.

02:44:52.000 If you're charging him with a bunch of counts under one incident, the three strikes law doesn't apply, and that's how they got him in jail, so now he's out.

02:44:59.000 Like, all of this came because of that.

02:45:02.000 Well, I knew about Oliver North in the Contra thing.

02:45:04.000 I didn't know about Rick Ross, specifically.

02:45:06.000 Well, there's been proof that some elements of our government have sold drugs to impoverished neighborhoods in order to fund black ops.

02:45:15.000 Like, this is a fact.

02:45:17.000 And this is one of the things that Robert Anton Wilson was talking about when he was talking about the Reagan administration.

02:45:21.000 He became the intellectual president because people were so frustrated by how fucking crazy and chaotic and movie-like things had become that they had decided to arm themselves with information. 0.98

02:45:35.000 I wonder if a big part of it, too, is the backlash with Ronald Reagan because everyone said, again, he had no chance, he was a moron, and he won in a landslide where people go, all right, screw you, we're going to consider him an intellectual. 0.99

02:45:46.000 Like with Donald Trump. 0.98

02:45:47.000 Listen, I don't think Donald Trump's an intellectual.

02:45:48.000 I don't think he's a very smart guy.

02:45:49.000 Well, no one was considering him an intellectual.

02:45:51.000 They were considering him a great American.

02:45:53.000 Right.

02:45:53.000 And he had slick back hair, and his wife stood still, and everybody was happy.

02:45:57.000 Well, in between seances at the White House. 1.00

02:45:59.000 Calling her astrologer, making sure she's shit. 1.00

02:46:02.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:46:03.000 Some weird stuff. 1.00

02:46:04.000 But I think people might have just been like, you know what, you called him a moron for so long and everyone who voted him a moron that then... 1.00

02:46:09.000 Well, they didn't really call Reagan a moron. 1.00

02:46:11.000 Yeah, they did. 1.00

02:46:11.000 Well, not like they called George Bush a moron. 1.00

02:46:14.000 Yeah, they did. 1.00

02:46:15.000 Yes, they did.

02:46:16.000 I remember... 1.00

02:46:17.000 It's the playbook with anyone who's conservative or Republican is if they can make you a moron, they will. 1.00

02:46:21.000 If not, you're evil. 1.00

02:46:23.000 Dick Cheney can't be a moron, so he's evil. 1.00

02:46:25.000 I think you're confusing the narrative a little bit because Reagan might have been simplistic, but he was a wonderful speaker. 0.98

02:46:31.000 He gave really articulate, well-thought-out speeches that spoke to Americans, again, longing for this nostalgia of a time where the Norman Rockwell painting made sense.

02:46:45.000 Right.

02:46:45.000 And that's what Ronald Reagan represented to a lot of people.

02:46:47.000 A lot of people, they were coming out of the chaos of the Carter administration and the fucking Vietnam. 0.99

02:46:55.000 Gas lines. 1.00

02:46:55.000 Yeah, the gas lines and the Iranians taking the American hostages and all that crazy shit. 1.00

02:47:02.000 And Ronald Reagan came along. 0.99

02:47:03.000 He's like, I'm going to fix it.

02:47:04.000 I'm your dad.

02:47:05.000 And everybody's like, we're in. 1.00

02:47:06.000 Yeah, but the media treated him like a real moron. 0.97

02:47:08.000 If you go back and watch that, and right before his landslide election win, if you look at the electoral map, sort of the polls and the predictions, they give him no chance of winning. 1.00

02:47:16.000 We already proved you're full of shit about Colorado and traffic deaths. 1.00

02:47:21.000 Should we go and fuck you up with this, too? 1.00

02:47:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:47:24.000 When you have your guy looking up sources.

02:47:25.000 You feel bad about the Colorado thing at all?

02:47:27.000 I never said Colorado.

02:47:28.000 I said states that legalize...

02:47:29.000 What other ones are there?

02:47:30.000 Well, you didn't bring up the source that I wrote about.

02:47:33.000 But the fact that you're still hung up on it...

02:47:35.000 I got the article.

02:47:37.000 I've been looking at it for the last few minutes on your website.

02:47:40.000 There's a couple statements that are really bad just off the gate, like this right here. 1.00

02:47:44.000 If you want to get high, you're a moron. 1.00

02:47:46.000 Getting high will make you more of a moron. 1.00

02:47:48.000 That's not a news article. 1.00

02:47:50.000 Hold on, please.

02:47:50.000 That's commentary.

02:47:51.000 Hold on, but fine.

02:47:52.000 After all, things like Coachella wouldn't exist.

02:47:55.000 Is this your article?

02:47:56.000 Yeah.

02:47:57.000 It's an article on my site. 1.00

02:47:58.000 Oh wait a minute, if you want to get high, you're a moron? 1.00

02:48:01.000 Yeah, I think Courtney believes that. 1.00

02:48:02.000 You think you're a moron? 1.00

02:48:03.000 I think Courtney believes that, yeah. 1.00

02:48:04.000 Who's Courtney?

02:48:05.000 She's probably one of the best writers I think I've ever encountered.

02:48:07.000 How dare you not read then?

02:48:09.000 So then the article links to a couple, like this for instance, is one that says it has deadliest year of traffic fatality since 2008. This article doesn't say anything about marijuana, not one thing, doesn't mention weed at once.

02:48:22.000 It does say that it could be attributed to lower gas prices, people driving more, more people in the state, et cetera, et cetera.

02:48:29.000 But that's not the only thing.

02:48:31.000 Hold on, hold on.

02:48:31.000 This is important.

02:48:32.000 I'm going to defend myself here.

02:48:33.000 Because you have someone here at the ready, and what you do is, instead of bringing up information, this is what happens with Christopher Titus, right?

02:48:39.000 You don't have information that you bring up.

02:48:41.000 You have another guy look up a source that you specifically want him to find.

02:48:44.000 I didn't ask him to bring that up.

02:48:45.000 Yes, you did.

02:48:46.000 And he brought up Washington Post and goes, this is what's wrong with your article, taking a joke out of context.

02:48:49.000 No, he had already been talking.

02:48:50.000 You didn't have a joke.

02:48:51.000 The joke in there about things like Coachella wouldn't exist if there weren't pot.

02:48:55.000 That's clearly a joke.

02:48:56.000 Her in that article.

02:48:57.000 That's a joke.

02:48:57.000 Right.

02:48:58.000 To try and go, do you think people who smoke pot are morons? 1.00

02:49:00.000 No, it's a joke. 1.00

02:49:01.000 Okay.

02:49:01.000 Let's not do that.

02:49:02.000 Okay.

02:49:02.000 Let's not do that.

02:49:03.000 And no, pot's not comparable to alcohol.

02:49:06.000 There are tests that determine how much alcohol content is in your bloodstream.

02:49:09.000 We can't do that with weed, so it's impossible to handle these incidents in the same way.

02:49:13.000 That's pretty fair.

02:49:14.000 Okay, but there have been tests where they showed people drunk.

02:49:16.000 But that would go back to what he said and what you said.

02:49:18.000 But there have been tests where they've shown people drunk versus on marijuana, and the people on marijuana drove far better.

02:49:24.000 Okay.

02:49:24.000 That's true.

02:49:25.000 So this is also anecdotal.

02:49:27.000 No, these are tests.

02:49:27.000 It goes back to your point, right?

02:49:29.000 Let's say someone has alcohol in their system.

02:49:31.000 Are these tests?

02:49:32.000 Well, I haven't read your test.

02:49:33.000 Okay, so why are you arguing against them?

02:49:35.000 No, I'm saying I agreed with your point earlier.

02:49:37.000 So why are you saying they're anecdotal?

02:49:38.000 Well, it is anecdotal if you're saying some people drive better on marijuana than alcohol.

02:49:41.000 No, I'm not saying that.

02:49:42.000 I've said there have been tests where they've shown that people drive better on marijuana than alcohol.

02:49:47.000 That's not anecdotal.

02:49:48.000 My point is...

02:49:49.000 No, you're looking to be really good at this argument here.

02:49:51.000 No, no, I'm not.

02:49:52.000 You need to settle down.

02:49:52.000 You said you wouldn't pile on.

02:49:53.000 And he got two people.

02:49:54.000 Yeah, he's not talking.

02:49:56.000 He brought something up.

02:49:58.000 He brought up facts.

02:49:59.000 When someone comes on the show, Jared cannot interject.

02:50:03.000 Congratulations, you're not on the show. 0.99

02:50:04.000 And all he did was pull up some fucking information. 0.99

02:50:06.000 Two people bringing up information. 0.99

02:50:08.000 Me without a laptop.

02:50:09.000 No, he brought it up.

02:50:10.000 I talked about it.

02:50:11.000 He didn't even talk about it.

02:50:12.000 You said, what would be the one thing that you've changed your mind and that you would look back?

02:50:15.000 Is there a problem when two people are correct and you're incorrect?

02:50:16.000 Does that bother you?

02:50:17.000 I don't agree that you're correct.

02:50:18.000 What are you talking about?

02:50:19.000 You just pulled up some statistics that show that Colorado has less traffic fatalities.

02:50:23.000 No, I didn't.

02:50:24.000 I didn't pull up any statistics.

02:50:25.000 No, he didn't.

02:50:26.000 You saw them.

02:50:26.000 You just said you.

02:50:27.000 You just said you.

02:50:28.000 I will give you my laptop.

02:50:29.000 I'll turn my laptop your way.

02:50:31.000 That's not correct. 0.99

02:50:31.000 And you can pull up some shit that shows contrary evidence. 0.99

02:50:33.000 You said, what is the issue that you would care about the least, that you've changed your mind on? 0.99

02:50:36.000 I said, probably wouldn't even talk about pot.

02:50:38.000 That's a long version of what you said.

02:50:40.000 And then you said, well, why?

02:50:41.000 What you said was there have been more fatalities since marijuana has been legal in those states.

02:50:46.000 It's not true.

02:50:47.000 Why are you so obsessed with the pot issue?

02:50:49.000 Because you're not right, and it doesn't matter if we've talked about it for four hours.

02:50:52.000 In this instance, you are incorrect.

02:50:54.000 You know you're incorrect.

02:50:55.000 No, I'm not incorrect in that instance that traffic fatalities have increased in areas where pot have increased.

02:50:59.000 We did the same study in Michigan where pot was legalized and people were actually selling more marijuana under Okay, that doesn't have anything to do with traffic fatalities.

02:51:06.000 It does have to do with it.

02:51:07.000 It doesn't have anything to do with traffic fatalities unless you can prove there's more traffic fatalities in underage kids since marijuana has been legal.

02:51:12.000 Yeah.

02:51:13.000 There have been several articles that have made that claim, made that assertion, and we've written about it.

02:51:17.000 Let's find them.

02:51:18.000 They all come from one article mostly, and it's from these AAA stats, and this is the stats that they said.

02:51:23.000 Almost all the articles you're talking about come from this one article.

02:51:27.000 Okay.

02:51:27.000 Okay, so it says the percentage of drivers involved in fatal crashes who recently used marijuana more than doubled from 8 to 17% from 2013 to 2014. One in six drivers involved in fatal crashes from 2014 had recently used marijuana,

02:51:44.000 which is the most recent data available.

02:51:47.000 Now, do you understand that causation does not equal correlation?

02:51:50.000 The significant increase in fatal crashes involving marijuana is alarming.

02:51:52.000 Yeah, it says who?

02:51:53.000 That's an opinion.

02:51:54.000 It's an opinion.

02:51:55.000 President and CEO of the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety.

02:51:57.000 Yeah, he says it's alarming.

02:51:58.000 Well, is that a matter of more people smoking marijuana because it's legal?

02:52:02.000 Or is it a matter of the marijuana causing these accidents?

02:52:06.000 Is this another article put out by AAA? Do you know what else is true?

02:52:08.000 Do you know what else is true?

02:52:09.000 That all these people also had alcohol in their system.

02:52:12.000 Do you know that?

02:52:12.000 Well, no.

02:52:13.000 We don't know that all of them had alcohol in their system.

02:52:14.000 It's a giant percentage.

02:52:27.000 It doesn't say anything in the article about alcohol, though, and for sure they should have tested that and put that information in there.

02:52:32.000 They should, for sure they can't test for it.

02:52:34.000 By the way, I'm talking with two guys who just smoked up a joint.

02:52:36.000 Just Google it.

02:52:38.000 It makes a point that you're going to have an obvious position that would disagree with this one single article.

02:52:43.000 So if I can finish a point, you've talked about interruption, let me finish the one point that I'm making.

02:52:47.000 Well, you've already been proven.

02:52:48.000 You can't test for marijuana roadside, right?

02:52:51.000 Can we agree on that?

02:52:51.000 No, you absolutely can.

02:52:53.000 You can?

02:52:53.000 Yeah, there's new tests.

02:52:54.000 Okay, there's new tests.

02:52:54.000 We're available right now.

02:52:55.000 Let's find out.

02:52:56.000 Let's find out.

02:52:57.000 Before you do that, though, test how many of the marijuana-related fatalities also involved alcohol, because it's a massively significant percentage.

02:53:07.000 Yeah.

02:53:08.000 So you can't necessarily say that just because they have these new tests for marijuana, especially road-sized marijuana.

02:53:14.000 That's the problem.

02:53:15.000 Okay, I'll tell you what.

02:53:16.000 I'll give you that.

02:53:18.000 What are you giving me?

02:53:19.000 Let's say you're correct.

02:53:20.000 But here's the thing.

02:53:22.000 Physiologically, it doesn't have an effect on motor skills the way alcohol does.

02:53:25.000 Or it doesn't slow down your response time.

02:53:27.000 Well, I know that we've had several doctors in the show, two of whom had differing opinions on that.

02:53:32.000 They don't have to be right.

02:53:34.000 They don't have to be right.

02:53:35.000 Do they smoke marijuana themselves?

02:53:37.000 Do they know what it's like?

02:53:38.000 Have they studied all the different...

02:53:41.000 CBS News caught blatantly distorting cannabis studies says legal prod doubles fatal car crashes.

02:53:47.000 This comes from Minipress News.

02:53:48.000 Minipress News.

02:53:50.000 So again, we can go into questioning sources all day long if you have someone else bringing up sources.

02:53:53.000 You don't think this is a good source?

02:53:54.000 Maybe it is.

02:53:55.000 Maybe it is.

02:53:56.000 Let's say you're right.

02:53:56.000 It's not a lot of it's crowded, but...

02:53:57.000 Let's say you're right.

02:53:58.000 Well, a lot of it's crowded.

02:53:58.000 We source that to something else.

02:54:00.000 I know, and you guys are so defensive on one issue, and you said, hold on.

02:54:03.000 What's the issue you don't care about?

02:54:04.000 I have your sources right here.

02:54:05.000 I've looked them up.

02:54:06.000 There's people online also sourcing them.

02:54:08.000 They are skewed.

02:54:09.000 You're skewing them to make your case.

02:54:10.000 And so is the Washington Post study that you skewed.

02:54:12.000 But you're not the Washington Post.

02:54:13.000 You're supposed to be the answer to the Washington Post.

02:54:15.000 I'm not the answer to the Washington Post.

02:54:16.000 Don't say that someone's evil so I'm evil too.

02:54:19.000 Well, you just said that.

02:54:19.000 Is that what you're saying?

02:54:20.000 That's the argument that you just made.

02:54:21.000 No, I didn't make that argument.

02:54:22.000 You just said...

02:54:23.000 Come on, man.

02:54:24.000 You just made that argument.

02:54:25.000 And all of a sudden, when someone mentions pot, you put on the ideologue hat where your worldview is through the lens of weed.

02:54:31.000 No, dude. 1.00

02:54:32.000 I'm calling you out on bullshit. 1.00

02:54:34.000 It has nothing to do with weed. 1.00

02:54:35.000 Yeah, but you haven't made an argument.

02:54:35.000 I would call you...

02:54:36.000 I haven't made an argument.

02:54:37.000 You said that the fatalities increased.

02:54:39.000 We showed you what happened in Colorado.

02:54:41.000 What have you shown me?

02:54:42.000 We showed you the statistics that show that marijuana and traffic violations correlates to less accidents.

02:54:50.000 May not be causal.

02:54:52.000 Okay, so what else is causing the dropped number?

02:54:55.000 And why can't you show...

02:54:57.000 What's causing the increase in number?

02:54:57.000 What increase?

02:54:58.000 This fake increase that you're bringing up?

02:55:00.000 From fake news?

02:55:01.000 Is that what we're doing?

02:55:02.000 It's not real.

02:55:03.000 Colorado shows it's not real.

02:55:05.000 So where is it real?

02:55:06.000 This comes from a AAA study.

02:55:07.000 AAA is owned by the Bilderberg Group, bro.

02:55:11.000 You don't even know this.

02:55:12.000 So now we're going to go to weed cures cancer and people having meetings with rams heads. 0.98

02:55:16.000 You've got one article that says one thing and one article from Colorado that says there's been a decrease in traffic fatalities.

02:55:23.000 You're not willing to recognize that.

02:55:25.000 I just said, let's give that to you.

02:55:26.000 Because this entire conversation started with you saying, what issue would you change your mind on?

02:55:31.000 No, it started...

02:55:32.000 Probably pot. 0.91

02:55:32.000 No, this argument started with you saying that it causes more fatalities and traffic violations. 0.91

02:55:37.000 No, that's not true.

02:55:38.000 You said, which issue do you not care about?

02:55:40.000 I said pot.

02:55:40.000 Didn't you say that?

02:55:41.000 Didn't you say it causes more traffic fatalities?

02:55:43.000 What's your opinion on pot?

02:55:44.000 And I said, I really don't care if people want to smoke pot.

02:55:46.000 I think it's a state issue.

02:55:47.000 I honestly don't care.

02:55:48.000 I've changed my mind where as a kid I thought it was harmful.

02:55:50.000 I don't think it's harmful anymore.

02:55:52.000 But didn't you say that That it causes more traffic fatalities?

02:55:55.000 Then you said, well, let's expand on this.

02:55:57.000 What issue do you have with pot?

02:55:58.000 I said, I don't like the dishonesty where people just say, it cures cancer, it'll end the war on drugs, it's completely harmless, and I have some arguments that it's not harmless?

02:56:07.000 No, it's not entirely harmless.

02:56:09.000 It's not without consequences.

02:56:10.000 Well, consequences based on what?

02:56:12.000 And I've given you so much leeway there on that one.

02:56:14.000 How have you?

02:56:15.000 How have you?

02:56:15.000 It literally started from me saying, I probably couldn't care less about this out of all the other issues that we discussed.

02:56:22.000 And you lasered in on that and go, where do we disagree on this?

02:56:25.000 Because it's a huge blind spot.

02:56:27.000 No, because it's a huge blind spot.

02:56:28.000 No, it's not a huge blind spot.

02:56:29.000 Do you think I'm working for the Bilderbergs out there trying to ban pot? 0.84

02:56:32.000 I don't have to think that.

02:56:33.000 If you say that marijuana is in some way or another a dangerous thing, Yes.

02:56:40.000 I can tell you that it's not.

02:56:41.000 No, no, no.

02:56:41.000 I didn't say it's a dangerous thing.

02:56:42.000 It's not without consequences.

02:56:44.000 What are the consequences?

02:56:45.000 Okay, what do you believe marijuana does, for example?

02:56:47.000 Well, no, I'm not going to get baited into this because you're trying to force me to say that I don't think pot cures cancer and there's a big pharma.

02:56:53.000 No, listen.

02:56:54.000 Smoke pot.

02:56:55.000 I will ask this.

02:56:56.000 I'm trying to say what are the consequences of it.

02:56:58.000 You come on my show, I would love to, and have a discussion about it in real time.

02:57:03.000 I think so.

02:57:04.000 You're in front of me right now!

02:57:06.000 You're in front of me right now!

02:57:07.000 Because we're not having a conversation, you and I, right now.

02:57:09.000 We were definitely having a conversation for hours!

02:57:11.000 Oh, that's not good?

02:57:12.000 To read sources?

02:57:13.000 It's not fair.

02:57:13.000 It's not fair to have two people.

02:57:15.000 What's fair?

02:57:16.000 No data?

02:57:17.000 Should we be in a room with no internet?

02:57:18.000 You think if Amy and I ganged up on you, you think you would have done well on that argument?

02:57:21.000 Come on, man.

02:57:21.000 Because I want to find out how you feel.

02:57:23.000 How you think.

02:57:23.000 I want to see if you get defensive.

02:57:24.000 But for some reason, you said you think if her and I were together, you think you would have done well on that.

02:57:28.000 Yeah.

02:57:29.000 Because I want to see if you get defensive. 0.99

02:57:30.000 Do you ever fuck with somebody in a conversation? 0.99

02:57:32.000 Why wouldn't you get defensive? 1.00

02:57:33.000 You ever fuck with somebody? 1.00

02:57:33.000 You do that, right? 1.00

02:57:34.000 I don't know, but you've made it all about the pot issue.

02:57:36.000 No, that had nothing to do with pot.

02:57:39.000 You've gotten into this pot issue because of an issue where you think there's an argument, and it's the one area that you're super, super informed into.

02:57:46.000 You are adorable.

02:57:47.000 You're adorable.

02:57:48.000 And that's the same thing as saying you're not a real comedian.

02:57:51.000 No, you're adorable.

02:57:52.000 You've never debated someone on an open territory without someone else to back up your argument.

02:57:56.000 It's never happened to have looked for it.

02:57:57.000 Back up when someone pulls up information?

02:57:59.000 Let me tell you something.

02:58:00.000 One thing that Jamie does is he pulls up evidence to the contrary.

02:58:04.000 If I was wrong, he would stick it right in my face and we would laugh about it.

02:58:07.000 And that's what he does.

02:58:08.000 That's why he pulled up the AAA thing.

02:58:10.000 And I've given it to you.

02:58:11.000 What evidence? 1.00

02:58:12.000 You haven't given me shit. 0.99

02:58:13.000 No, I've given you the argument. 0.99

02:58:15.000 What argument?

02:58:16.000 Fine, let's say there's no causation.

02:58:18.000 Let's say that it wasn't backed up well enough.

02:58:19.000 Let's give you that argument.

02:58:20.000 Okay.

02:58:21.000 What's this, Jamie?

02:58:22.000 There's also some evidence that medical marijuana laws may contribute to decreasing traffic fatalities.

02:58:29.000 Part of the show is me doing this, though.

02:58:30.000 If we don't do that, this isn't the show.

02:58:31.000 This is what we always do.

02:58:32.000 It's just talking about facts.

02:58:34.000 Listen to this.

02:58:34.000 You're obsessed.

02:58:35.000 There are also some evidence that medical...

02:58:39.000 That doesn't make any sense.

02:58:40.000 There are also some evidence.

02:58:42.000 That's not...

02:58:42.000 There's also.

02:58:44.000 Okay, I'm wrong.

02:58:45.000 That medical marijuana laws may contribute to decreasing traffic fatalities.

02:58:49.000 One study published in the Journal of Law and Economics in 2013 reviewed traffic fatalities in the 19 states that had passed medical marijuana laws by 2010 and found that legalization is associated with an 8 to 11 percent decrease in traffic fatalities for the year.

02:59:06.000 After the laws took effect, the researchers from the University of Colorado Denver and elsewhere also found the decrease is more significant for alcohol-related fatalities at 13.2%.

02:59:18.000 Can I ask a question?

02:59:18.000 Pretty interesting.

02:59:19.000 Can I ask a question?

02:59:20.000 Please do.

02:59:20.000 Why is that study from 2010 considered completely valid to you and the study from AAA in 2014 considered completely invalid?

02:59:27.000 AAA's got a fucking biased interest. 0.97

02:59:29.000 There you go. 1.00

02:59:30.000 There you go. 0.72

02:59:31.000 They're a big-ass company.

02:59:33.000 People can have different opinions.

02:59:34.000 It's in charge.

02:59:35.000 Well, what are they basing it on?

02:59:37.000 So your argument is, this is the only valid study because AAA is biased.

02:59:41.000 But this is a study.

02:59:42.000 It's a study.

02:59:43.000 Do you think that's right or do you think they're lying?

02:59:45.000 I think it could be right.

02:59:46.000 So if they're right, if that study's right, then you were wrong, right?

02:59:49.000 Well, if that study's right...

02:59:50.000 Then you were wrong, right?

02:59:51.000 I could be wrong.

02:59:52.000 You were wrong, right?

02:59:53.000 When you were just spouting it out.

02:59:54.000 So we proved that in Colorado you were wrong.

02:59:56.000 You didn't prove.

02:59:57.000 And if that study is true.

02:59:58.000 You didn't prove.

02:59:59.000 You said, here's what you do.

03:00:00.000 Let's pull that up again, figure out what caused the Colorado study.

03:00:04.000 I asked one question, and then you get a paragraph.

03:00:06.000 You like doing this, don't you?

03:00:08.000 Joe, I literally said, I'll give it to you, you win the argument, and you bring up another thing about pot.

03:00:14.000 Well, it's because you don't really give up.

03:00:17.000 You reluctantly give up.

03:00:18.000 I said I'll give it to you.

03:00:18.000 You're right.

03:00:19.000 Let's assume I'm wrong.

03:00:20.000 You're definitely wrong.

03:00:21.000 Let's assume I'm wrong.

03:00:22.000 Okay, so what else would be the problem with marijuana if it wasn't traffic fatalities?

03:00:25.000 Zero, right?

03:00:26.000 No, not zero.

03:00:28.000 What, zero?

03:00:28.000 But I don't want to spend the entire day talking about pot.

03:00:30.000 Well, come on, man.

03:00:31.000 We're talking about real issues.

03:00:32.000 What would be the other problems if it wasn't for traffic fatalities?

03:00:35.000 Before you go, oh, man, just loosen up.

03:00:36.000 Let's talk about life and jiu-jitsu.

03:00:37.000 Then you get into one thing.

03:00:38.000 I didn't say jiu-jitsu.

03:00:39.000 I said, let's talk.

03:00:40.000 You're obsessed.

03:00:40.000 I just want to get you away from your left versus right talking points, because I'm neither.

03:00:44.000 Because people with convictions, the left-right paradigm.

03:00:48.000 Bertrand Russell will come out.

03:00:49.000 I'm a centrist.

03:00:50.000 I kind of am. 0.99

03:00:52.000 Joe, here's the thing, and I still mean the complimentary things I said, but you can't bring people on and call them pussy and dumb fuck and bias and then continue going back to an issue with someone who agrees with you entirely and act as though, 0.99

03:01:09.000 well, now you're defensive? 0.99

03:01:11.000 Well, of course I'm defensive.

03:01:12.000 Well, I think that you were spewing a little bit of anti-marijuana propaganda about traffic fatalities, and I had to address it.

03:01:18.000 Yeah, anti-marijuana propaganda.

03:01:20.000 That's right.

03:01:20.000 I'm paid by Big Pharma a lot, man.

03:01:22.000 No, I'm not thinking you're paid by anybody, but I just think you had a point of view.

03:01:25.000 So why would I push the propaganda?

03:01:27.000 Propaganda, by definition, means I have to be pushing it for someone.

03:01:29.000 It's not necessarily that someone is telling you to do it.

03:01:32.000 It's just that you had a point of view that you had dug your heels in.

03:01:36.000 Then it's not propaganda.

03:01:37.000 It is propaganda.

03:01:37.000 It's a wrong opinion.

03:01:38.000 It's propaganda if you have read it, and you are spouting it out, but that statistics prove differently.

03:01:44.000 Well, okay.

03:01:45.000 Then I would say it's propaganda for someone saying weed cures cancer.

03:01:48.000 I'm not saying you're promoting propaganda like someone's asking to.

03:01:51.000 I would say that's propaganda.

03:01:51.000 Okay, pull that up then, Jamie.

03:01:53.000 Weed cures cancer.

03:01:53.000 Not saying cures.

03:01:55.000 Doesn't marijuana have beneficial effects on cancer?

03:01:57.000 No, no, no.

03:01:57.000 That wasn't my claim.

03:01:58.000 Weed cures cancer.

03:02:00.000 Nothing cures cancer.

03:02:01.000 There you go.

03:02:01.000 And that was what I was talking about.

03:02:03.000 I literally will get...

03:02:04.000 Nothing cures anything.

03:02:05.000 I mean, things treat things.

03:02:06.000 Half of your listeners will tweet me saying weed cures cancer.

03:02:08.000 Is there a single drug that cures anything?

03:02:10.000 Things treat things.

03:02:10.000 Sure.

03:02:11.000 Your immune system kicks in.

03:02:12.000 If your immune system fails...

03:02:14.000 Plenty of drugs that cure.

03:02:15.000 Okay, what drug cures things?

03:02:18.000 Polio vaccine.

03:02:18.000 Done.

03:02:19.000 Okay, polio vaccine doesn't cure things, you fuck. 1.00

03:02:21.000 It prevents you from getting polio. 1.00

03:02:23.000 The disease is effectively cured.

03:02:24.000 Do you understand what you just said?

03:02:25.000 Yeah.

03:02:25.000 You just disproved yourself.

03:02:27.000 No, I didn't just disprove myself.

03:02:28.000 No, the disease is not effectively cured in the person who has polio.

03:02:31.000 We're talking about marijuana curing cancer on people that don't have cancer yet.

03:02:35.000 It's not a vaccine for cancer.

03:02:37.000 What you're saying is marijuana cures cancer with people that have cancer. 0.99

03:02:40.000 There's not a fucking drug. 0.99

03:02:41.000 You proved to yourself. 1.00

03:02:42.000 There's not a medicine that proves that you can't fucking cure polio with a medicine. 0.97

03:02:48.000 You get so aggressive on the pod issue. 0.98

03:02:50.000 No, you're wrong!

03:02:50.000 You get so aggressive on the pod issue.

03:02:52.000 You get so aggressive on the pod issue.

03:02:53.000 Do you understand how blindsided you are?

03:02:56.000 You have a blind spot.

03:02:56.000 I'm pretty sure there's drugs out there that cure some diseases.

03:02:59.000 I'm sure there are.

03:03:00.000 I've never heard of them.

03:03:03.000 Do you know who they are?

03:03:04.000 Name one.

03:03:05.000 Not offhand if I had someone who could bring it up.

03:03:07.000 No, you don't have to bring it up, man.

03:03:08.000 You're going to argue for it, shouldn't you?

03:03:10.000 I didn't argue for it.

03:03:11.000 You said you don't think there are any drugs that cure anyone.

03:03:14.000 I think that's incorrect.

03:03:15.000 Your immune system has to be in place.

03:03:18.000 If you're dying and someone gives you some sort of a drug, how many drugs are there that cure a nasty disease that's killing you?

03:03:28.000 How many of them have to be also compensated?

03:03:31.000 Your immune system has to kick in as well.

03:03:33.000 There's a bunch of factors. 0.92

03:03:35.000 I mean, there's penicillin that kills some venereal diseases and all sorts of different fucking horrible infections. 0.94

03:03:43.000 Yeah.

03:03:44.000 There's not a lot, but your immune system has to be in effect, too.

03:03:48.000 There's a lot of factors.

03:03:49.000 So now we're getting to the definition of cure. 0.99

03:03:50.000 Well, yeah, man, because you're talking about fucking polio. 1.00

03:03:53.000 Nothing cures polio, bitch. 1.00

03:03:54.000 And marijuana, no one's saying marijuana cures cancer. 1.00

03:03:57.000 I get those all the time.

03:03:58.000 All the time. 1.00

03:03:58.000 These are assholes. 1.00

03:03:59.000 Those are the same people that say you're a Nazi. 1.00

03:04:01.000 Those are the same people that say you're a Nazi.

03:04:03.000 No, it's pretty common. 1.00

03:04:04.000 You fuckin' Nazi! 1.00

03:04:05.000 Punch Nazis! 1.00

03:04:06.000 Well, for example, we had a woman on the show, a psychiatrist, who basically said, she said, people who are adult, healthy, smoke pot, probably not a problem. 0.83

03:04:14.000 She said, it is a problem for the developing brain, people who are under the age of 25. And she explained as to why.

03:04:18.000 Probably correct.

03:04:19.000 Yeah.

03:04:19.000 And she explained as to why.

03:04:20.000 I don't think they think that the human brain is even fully developed, your frontal cortex.

03:04:24.000 No, it's not.

03:04:25.000 And she talked about specifically also people.

03:04:27.000 Who might have mental illnesses, whether it's schizophrenia or bipolar, most people don't realize that.

03:04:31.000 Or depression, it goes unrecognized.

03:04:32.000 And she talked about how for those people, marijuana can act as a trigger mechanism.

03:04:36.000 So, she said, healthy people, none of these conditions, marijuana is probably relatively benign.

03:04:40.000 But for some of these people, and most people who might have these conditions are afflicted by them, it could be a real problem.

03:04:46.000 She's got some very good points, but do you know that they've actually... 0.99

03:04:49.000 And half the comments are, weed cures cancer, this dumb bitch should get off the show. 1.00

03:04:52.000 Look at this. 1.00

03:04:52.000 Cannabis has been shown to kill cancer cells in laboratory tests. 1.00

03:04:55.000 See, question six.

03:04:56.000 Yeah, it doesn't cure cancer, though.

03:04:58.000 Well, kill cancer cells. 0.81

03:04:59.000 No one's saying cure cancer.

03:05:00.000 Yes, plenty of people are.

03:05:01.000 Beneficial effects on cancer.

03:05:02.000 I'm telling you exactly what people say.

03:05:03.000 But you compared it to turmeric, you compared it to all these things.

03:05:06.000 But, look, the...

03:05:09.000 The point being, I think you agree and I agree that as long as it doesn't hurt other people any more than anything else, like sugar hurts other people.

03:05:17.000 Look, if you want to make an argument for high insurance rates and you want to look at the overall causes of disease in this country and why insurance and health insurance cost so much, you would almost immediately go towards simple sugar.

03:05:39.000 Sure.

03:05:39.000 When it comes to healthcare costs, right?

03:05:42.000 I think it's adorable that you're telling me how to craft arguments.

03:05:45.000 But don't you do this, Joe?

03:05:47.000 I'm not saying that.

03:05:47.000 But I think it's adorable.

03:05:49.000 It's an easier argument to say that ice cream should be illegal than that marijuana should be illegal.

03:05:54.000 No, I don't.

03:05:55.000 Why that?

03:05:56.000 Tell me why.

03:05:56.000 No, I'm going to say what I was about to say beforehand because you keep redirecting the conversation.

03:06:01.000 And for some reason you're turning it into something hostile that it really doesn't need to be.

03:06:04.000 It's not hostile.

03:06:04.000 It is.

03:06:04.000 It might be to you.

03:06:05.000 Yeah, it is.

03:06:06.000 You feel weird about it.

03:06:07.000 I feel great.

03:06:07.000 It is.

03:06:08.000 It is when someone comes into something where they know they disagree and two other people with the same opinion are going to do a team up.

03:06:12.000 He doesn't even have an opinion.

03:06:13.000 I think that what you're doing right now, Joe, is like you talk about with people in jiu-jitsu.

03:06:18.000 Is what I think.

03:06:19.000 There are now a hundred scientific studies that say that.

03:06:20.000 I think that you think these arguments work.

03:06:22.000 Cannabis cures cancer.

03:06:23.000 I think that you think these arguments work, and I think it's like someone going to jiu-jitsu for the first time.

03:06:26.000 You've never done it.

03:06:27.000 I don't think you've ever actually gotten to a place without someone who can bring up sources for you.

03:06:31.000 I don't think you've gotten into an argument or done anything with a debate team where people would actually hold you accountable to the arguments that you make.

03:06:38.000 Why are you saying you don't think that I have if you don't know what conversations I've had?

03:06:42.000 I've never seen it.

03:06:42.000 So what are you, been with me 24-7, 49 years?

03:06:46.000 These are ridiculous conversations! 0.99

03:06:47.000 Right now, you're the kung-fu guy hitting the kung-fu doll with the spikes. 1.00

03:06:51.000 And you've convinced yourself that this is an argument that would work if you had other people, more qualified than myself, to discuss it.

03:06:57.000 And you decided to zone in on an argument that you knew you would disagree with.

03:07:00.000 This is a cute way of you diffusing all these stats that Jamie keeps bringing up.

03:07:04.000 There's more than a hundred studies that proves that cannabis cures cancer.

03:07:07.000 Exactly.

03:07:07.000 Do you deny those studies?

03:07:09.000 You don't need a Jamie.

03:07:09.000 Where's my Jamie?

03:07:10.000 Jamie's pulling shit off the internet. 0.99

03:07:11.000 He's not writing it, man. 0.99

03:07:12.000 You asked me specifically about something where I changed my mind.

03:07:14.000 Okay.

03:07:15.000 So you clearly were ready or upset about the pot thing.

03:07:17.000 I wasn't ready.

03:07:18.000 I didn't even think we were going to talk about it.

03:07:18.000 Yeah, I probably wouldn't talk about that anymore.

03:07:20.000 Because I don't really care about it, and I think states should be able to legalize it. 0.64

03:07:23.000 Well, if you don't care about it, you seem fucking really touched.

03:07:25.000 Because you asked me three follow-up questions. 0.87

03:07:27.000 It'd be like me asking you why you endorsed Bernie Sanders on this show, tacitly saying you would vote for him.

03:07:31.000 No, man.

03:07:31.000 You were talking about traffic fatalities.

03:07:32.000 When in the green room with the billiard stuff, you said, man, he's insane with the socialist stuff.

03:07:35.000 I don't think it's very genuine what you're doing.

03:07:37.000 I think this is something that appeals to your audience.

03:07:39.000 No, it's not.

03:07:40.000 You started on with traffic fatalities, and I thought you were wrong.

03:07:43.000 No, I didn't start on.

03:07:44.000 I didn't start on with traffic fatalities.

03:07:45.000 You said, what issue would you drop and not talk about?

03:07:48.000 And this is exactly why.

03:07:49.000 Right, because these are the conversations that always occur.

03:07:52.000 That was one of the things that you said was traffic fatalities, wasn't it?

03:07:55.000 And there's no productive conversation that comes from it.

03:07:57.000 Oh, sure there is.

03:07:58.000 No.

03:07:59.000 For people who are listening to this, this is extremely productive.

03:08:01.000 Because they understand how someone with blinders can ignore the evidence.

03:08:05.000 Sure.

03:08:06.000 And...

03:08:07.000 Figure out some way where they're being wronged intellectually.

03:08:10.000 Someone will say that, oh, you should be in some sort of a debate.

03:08:14.000 You've never been in a debate. 0.99

03:08:15.000 You don't know what fucking debates I've been in. 0.99

03:08:17.000 You know what conversations I've been in with people that have... 1.00

03:08:19.000 You don't know.

03:08:20.000 You don't know what conversations I've had. 1.00

03:08:22.000 I'm calling you on your bullshit, man. 1.00

03:08:22.000 I'm calling you on your bullshit. 1.00

03:08:24.000 Conversations that I've had? 1.00

03:08:24.000 You're saying I've never had a conversation with some of those people who agree with you. 1.00

03:08:27.000 And you bully people.

03:08:28.000 Oh, Steven Crowder.

03:08:29.000 And you bully people.

03:08:29.000 I'm not bullying people.

03:08:30.000 We're having fun.

03:08:32.000 Why is this bullying?

03:08:33.000 It's bullying because there are two people who hold one opinion, ask me on something that I don't care about, follow up three, four questions to go into an area where you two are very specifically passionate, and I said, I don't want to talk about it.

03:08:44.000 You don't want to talk about it because you're wrong.

03:08:46.000 No, I don't want to talk about it because I don't care.

03:08:47.000 Because he keeps showing the wrong.

03:08:48.000 If states want to legalize it, that's fine.

03:08:50.000 But it is a valid issue when people of Colorado are looking at this now and there are people in Colorado who might vote differently on the marijuana issue because of how it's perceived or because of the information at hand.

03:08:59.000 And I believe that people in Colorado should be able to vote.

03:09:01.000 They voted for pot.

03:09:02.000 But if they want to vote the other way, in states they have the right to do that.

03:09:05.000 Who's arguing against that?

03:09:07.000 Well, that was my point when we were talking about marijuana.

03:09:09.000 My point was, when I worked at Fox, we were thrust onto panels where you had to talk about this because it was going on in Colorado.

03:09:16.000 I can't believe you called me a bully.

03:09:17.000 That's such a left-wing tactic.

03:09:19.000 You are.

03:09:19.000 How dare you?

03:09:20.000 You are.

03:09:21.000 How dare you?

03:09:21.000 How is it a bully?

03:09:23.000 You are.

03:09:24.000 But facts.

03:09:24.000 Facts bully you?

03:09:25.000 How is it a bullying?

03:09:27.000 You use these absolutes and call someone on it and then say, well, I'm just joking.

03:09:31.000 What absolutes did I use?

03:09:32.000 You said, well, okay, let me give you one that I can pull from my memory bank.

03:09:34.000 Please do.

03:09:35.000 All of them were on alcohol.

03:09:37.000 That did fuck that up.

03:09:38.000 Yeah, and you've done it several times.

03:09:40.000 But if we want to have a productive discussion, I wouldn't be doing that.

03:09:43.000 But I know there's a large number.

03:09:45.000 There's a large number.

03:09:47.000 Narconon or one of those companies, one of those...

03:09:49.000 There was one that was unlikely source. 0.99

03:09:52.000 Oh shit, it's five o'clock? 0.99

03:09:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:09:54.000 Well, don't tell me you have to leave now before we turn this around.

03:09:57.000 My flight's at six.

03:09:57.000 Boy, you're going to miss your flight no matter what now.

03:09:59.000 You're fucked. 1.00

03:10:01.000 We're going to be fine, dude. 1.00

03:10:03.000 No, I'm not going to be fine.

03:10:04.000 I'm not going to make my flight back.

03:10:05.000 Yeah, you're going to be fine.

03:10:06.000 You live in America. 1.00

03:10:07.000 You could be in Ethiopia right now, huddling in a fucking hut, trying to protect yourself from some rabid animal. 1.00

03:10:16.000 We're gonna be fine. 1.00

03:10:17.000 You got a little defensive.

03:10:19.000 I thought we were friends.

03:10:20.000 No, you didn't.

03:10:21.000 I thought you did.

03:10:22.000 That's why I wanted to have you on here.

03:10:23.000 I thought we were gonna have some fun.

03:10:25.000 We were having fun, and then toward the end of the conversation, you asked me what issue do you not care about.

03:10:30.000 I don't really care about the pot issue, which I thought I cared about when I was 21. You said you wouldn't defend issues from when you were seven years ago, right?

03:10:37.000 When I was 21, I was probably a lot harsher on pot than I am today.

03:10:41.000 I thought it was worse.

03:10:42.000 I grew up around it.

03:10:43.000 I had negative experiences.

03:10:44.000 Then I realized that was anecdotal.

03:10:46.000 I don't really care much anymore about it.

03:10:47.000 I think states should be able to do what they want to do.

03:10:49.000 Then three, four, five follow-up questions, so we could get to a point into this debate where the show has now gone on two, three hours long, and I've missed my flight.

03:10:57.000 Well, what you were trying to say was that people that are pro-marijuana ignore the negative consequences of marijuana, and I asked you what those were, and you said traffic fatalities.

03:11:07.000 One of them.

03:11:08.000 And then we tried to find out if that's true, and we found out it's not.

03:11:12.000 We didn't find out that it's not true.

03:11:13.000 You made an argument that it's not true, but we didn't definitively find out that it's not true.

03:11:17.000 That's a lot of statistics.

03:11:19.000 Well, it's very easy to do that when you ignore opposing statistics.

03:11:21.000 No, let's find the opposing statistics.

03:11:22.000 And make false claims about them.

03:11:24.000 Let's have Jamie find opposing statistics.

03:11:25.000 Joe, no, Joe, I don't have another hour.

03:11:26.000 I've missed my flight.

03:11:27.000 I don't have another hour to get into the thought issue.

03:11:28.000 You definitely have plenty of time, man.

03:11:29.000 You're not going to get your flight.

03:11:31.000 You've got a lot of time.

03:11:34.000 This is an interesting argument.

03:11:36.000 Right.

03:11:36.000 It's an interesting argument because it shows what happens when people not necessarily disagree, but getting into a position where one person wants to have the upper hand.

03:11:46.000 You keep jockeying back and forth.

03:11:48.000 We're trying to figure out who's going to wind up on the top of the heap.

03:11:51.000 There's no jacking back and forth.

03:11:53.000 Not at all?

03:11:53.000 You're the one jacking back and forth.

03:11:54.000 Aw, sweetie. 0.97

03:11:55.000 You know that's not true.

03:11:56.000 Come on, honey. 1.00

03:11:57.000 That's a bully thing.

03:11:57.000 Honey.

03:11:58.000 Come on, that's a bully thing.

03:11:58.000 If that's a bully thing, then we have a real problem in this country.

03:12:01.000 That's a bully thing. 1.00

03:12:01.000 Pussy. 1.00

03:12:02.000 Dumb fuck. 1.00

03:12:03.000 Honey. 1.00

03:12:04.000 Dumb fuck might be bullying. 1.00

03:12:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:12:06.000 Sweetie is not bullying.

03:12:07.000 Which you've done.

03:12:07.000 Come on.

03:12:08.000 I did it as a joke because I thought we were friends.

03:12:10.000 No, you don't think we're.

03:12:10.000 We talk every now and then.

03:12:12.000 I like you.

03:12:12.000 I like you too, but I knew- You don't think we're friends?

03:12:15.000 You brought me a pipe.

03:12:16.000 You gave me a pipe.

03:12:17.000 I did give you a pipe.

03:12:17.000 You've been on my podcast twice.

03:12:19.000 I know.

03:12:19.000 How dare you.

03:12:20.000 You're guessing probably not invited back. 1.00

03:12:22.000 You're a goddamn bully. 1.00

03:12:23.000 I'll invite you back. 1.00

03:12:24.000 Are you serious?

03:12:25.000 Listen, here's the truth.

03:12:25.000 Are you upset more than me?

03:12:27.000 Who's more upset here?

03:12:27.000 Listen, when you say you're defensive, and you have somebody else to bring up sources- Let's be real here.

03:12:33.000 I'll look up anything you want me to.

03:12:34.000 I don't want you to look up anything you want me to.

03:12:36.000 Let me tell you something.

03:12:38.000 If Jamie found something that shows me I'm wrong and he does it all the time, he pulls it up.

03:12:41.000 Well, not gay Jared knows it is a standing pot. 0.90

03:12:43.000 On our show, we do it differently.

03:12:44.000 And that's why I invited you on the show.

03:12:46.000 How do you do it differently?

03:12:48.000 Okay, if Christopher Titus comes on the show, if Sally Cohn comes on the show, if you come on the show and you say, I want to talk about pot in the show.

03:12:54.000 If you say that and you say, I disagree with you.

03:12:56.000 I say, okay. 0.92

03:12:57.000 Not gay, Jared. 1.00

03:12:58.000 Not a word.

03:12:59.000 And you don't bring up any sources.

03:13:01.000 This is going to be a conversation of ideas.

03:13:02.000 Well, this is the difference between you and me.

03:13:03.000 I'd let him talk.

03:13:04.000 I'd be like, you think?

03:13:05.000 I would ask him.

03:13:05.000 No, Jared talks all the time, but I don't think it's fair.

03:13:07.000 Why not?

03:13:08.000 I would talk to him, too.

03:13:09.000 He's a human being.

03:13:10.000 I don't think two-on-one in an argument is fair.

03:13:11.000 It's not two-on-one.

03:13:12.000 Yeah, it is.

03:13:13.000 You know, it's not.

03:13:13.000 And if he disagrees with me and you disagree with me together, we can go back and forth altogether.

03:13:17.000 I don't care.

03:13:19.000 I don't mind if there's three people.

03:13:20.000 Get another friend that hates pot.

03:13:22.000 Bring him in.

03:13:22.000 I don't hate pot.

03:13:23.000 Well, I mean, just, again, I'm saying, like, find someone who does.

03:13:26.000 What absolutes?

03:13:26.000 No, another friend.

03:13:27.000 There's a total mischaracterization.

03:13:28.000 No, no, no, hold on a second before.

03:13:29.000 He said what absolutes?

03:13:29.000 Another friend who hates pot.

03:13:30.000 I said mischaracterizations and absolutes.

03:13:32.000 There.

03:13:32.000 I don't hate pot.

03:13:33.000 I'm not saying you do.

03:13:34.000 I'm saying get a friend who hates pot, bring him in as well.

03:13:36.000 I said get another friend who hates pot, Joe.

03:13:37.000 Get another friend.

03:13:38.000 What does another mean?

03:13:39.000 Get another friend who also hates pot.

03:13:41.000 Have him look up another.

03:13:41.000 Have Jamie look up another.

03:13:43.000 I should have used the word also.

03:13:44.000 No, because the implication there is another, meaning you hate pot.

03:13:48.000 No, I don't think you hate pot.

03:13:48.000 If I said, Joe, get another person who endorsed Bernie Sanders and then had an egg on his face, it would imply that you did.

03:13:54.000 I think you hate losing arguments.

03:13:54.000 I gave you the argument and you continued for another hour, Joe.

03:13:58.000 You didn't really.

03:13:59.000 You gave it to me with a caveat.

03:14:01.000 And that caveat is that I'm a bully and that Jamie pulls up statistics that only benefit my ideas.

03:14:05.000 You are.

03:14:05.000 On that argument, you are.

03:14:06.000 You are.

03:14:08.000 You are.

03:14:08.000 How is it a bully when two people are talking?

03:14:11.000 How is it bullying?

03:14:12.000 It's not two people talking, though.

03:14:13.000 You don't have a conversation with two people talking.

03:14:14.000 You have a failsafe.

03:14:16.000 You have other people who agree with you.

03:14:17.000 You have an audience who agrees with you.

03:14:19.000 I'm on your program.

03:14:20.000 I'm talking to my audience, man.

03:14:22.000 Just two people talking.

03:14:24.000 Let me be clear.

03:14:25.000 Okay.

03:14:25.000 I don't hate pot.

03:14:26.000 Okay.

03:14:27.000 I couldn't care less if you want to smoke pot, if states want to legalize pot. 0.76

03:14:31.000 Okay.

03:14:32.000 I couldn't care less about that.

03:14:33.000 Now, pot is not a substance without consequence.

03:14:37.000 That's all.

03:14:38.000 And some of those consequences can be damage to the developing brain when they're 25. We had a psychiatrist on talk about it, and people called her a dumb bitch who, you know, weed cures cancer. 1.00

03:14:48.000 Um... 0.99

03:14:49.000 There have been statistics and reports on fatalities increasing regarding marijuana.

03:14:53.000 You may not accept them, and maybe you're right in those sources.

03:14:57.000 Maybe your sources are more valid than my sources.

03:14:59.000 I'll grant you that.

03:15:01.000 So my issue is when people are dishonest and only present one side of the issue.

03:15:05.000 I just presented several sides and on my show on a regular basis.

03:15:09.000 Listen, if you want to smoke pot, I couldn't care less.

03:15:12.000 Go ahead and smoke pot.

03:15:13.000 And I think that the people who have tried to make you think, you know, reefer madness and wacky tobacco, I think that's overblown.

03:15:20.000 But I also think there are some issues that people who simply want to justify it, sometimes a habit, which could be negative to some people, not all, Overlook completely one side of the issue and there is an entire side of the medical community who disagrees with you.

03:15:33.000 And I don't know that I agree with them or disagree with them yet.

03:15:35.000 Wait a minute, the medical community?

03:15:37.000 There is an entire side to the medical community who would disagree with your position.

03:15:42.000 And I don't know that you think marijuana is a benign substance.

03:15:48.000 I don't think it's benign.

03:15:49.000 Developing brains, we already discussed that.

03:15:51.000 Okay, good example.

03:15:52.000 Developing brains.

03:15:52.000 Well, I don't think alcohol is as well.

03:15:54.000 I think a lot of...

03:15:55.000 I would agree.

03:15:56.000 I think a lot of kids...

03:15:59.000 I know you're not responsible.

03:16:00.000 It's like you should be 18 in Canada.

03:16:03.000 You should be 16 years old to drive a car.

03:16:04.000 You're not telling kids to go and smoke up.

03:16:06.000 But I think a lot of people who are listening, you have many young listeners, who are in that developmental state, certainly under the age of 25, who only hear the positive virtues extolled of marijuana.

03:16:17.000 Sometimes they're not entirely honest.

03:16:19.000 Sometimes they're not entirely accurate, I should say.

03:16:22.000 I don't think that's necessarily a good thing.

03:16:24.000 Necessarily accurate, how so?

03:16:26.000 Like what positive things are not necessarily accurate?

03:16:28.000 Have you ever on your program talked about how harmful marijuana could be to the developing brain under 25?

03:16:33.000 Yeah, we have.

03:16:34.000 Many times.

03:16:34.000 Have you?

03:16:35.000 In a way that you've conceded that's valid?

03:16:36.000 No, we've said that I don't think you should do anything.

03:16:39.000 I don't think like any 15 year old should do anything to their brain. 1.00

03:16:42.000 Because we don't know what the fuck happens to your brain when you give a kid alcohol. 0.99

03:16:45.000 I did it. 1.00

03:16:46.000 I'm sure you probably did it too.

03:16:47.000 When did you drink first?

03:16:49.000 How old were you?

03:16:51.000 I think I was 14 the first time I got drunk with my friends.

03:16:55.000 I mean, it's terrible.

03:16:55.000 It's not good for you.

03:16:56.000 It's not smart.

03:16:57.000 It's definitely not smart.

03:16:58.000 And I know, and you know, and I'm sure we all know someone who did get completely overindulgent in marijuana and became one of those wake-and-bake people that ruined their life.

03:17:08.000 And I think people can do that with almost any substance, anything that's psychoactive at least. 0.98

03:17:13.000 I think people do that with cigarettes where they need that fucking cigarette more than they need anything. 0.93

03:17:17.000 I think a lot of AA people do that with cigarettes and alcohol. 0.98

03:17:21.000 They replace their weird addiction to alcohol to something that's not as bad for them.

03:17:26.000 I think there's a lot of things for the developing mind, particularly for the developing mind.

03:17:31.000 That we have available to us all the time that are really dangerous.

03:17:35.000 You know, I had Henry Rollins on here.

03:17:37.000 He was talking about when he was a little kid, he was like five year old, they put him on Ritalin.

03:17:41.000 Yeah.

03:17:41.000 The time he was five.

03:17:42.000 I think that's fucking horrible. 0.99

03:17:44.000 I think psych meds for little kids that don't necessarily need them, but maybe they're just a little too energetic. 1.00

03:17:48.000 I think all that shit's horrible. 0.99

03:17:50.000 So whether it's marijuana or alcohol or quaaludes or whatever you want to give a 15 year old kid. 1.00

03:17:56.000 That's got a developing mind.

03:17:57.000 I think there's massive consequences, and I don't think you can really calculate those consequences.

03:18:01.000 That's my position.

03:18:03.000 I think you can calculate those consequences. 0.94

03:18:05.000 Well, I think you can, but I mean you would have to fuck up a lot of kids in order to really prove the statistical viability of what damage is being done to kids and how much would cause the damage. 0.79

03:18:14.000 Are you talking about Ritalin now? 0.98

03:18:15.000 I'm talking about Quaaludes, alcohol, marijuana, heroin, meth.

03:18:19.000 Who does Quaaludes in 2017?

03:18:21.000 Well, Quaaludes.

03:18:22.000 Oxys.

03:18:22.000 Let's go with OxyContin.

03:18:24.000 I'm just talking about downers. 0.85

03:18:25.000 I'm talking about anything where it's a depressant or a stimulant.

03:18:28.000 There's a significant amount of effects across the board.

03:18:31.000 I don't think oxy is a barbiturate, by the way.

03:18:32.000 I think it's just classified as a narcotic.

03:18:33.000 It's not like a downer.

03:18:35.000 Like a benzodiazepine or something.

03:18:37.000 Aren't opiates considered a downer?

03:18:39.000 I don't think they're officially considered barbiturates.

03:18:42.000 Is it a depressant?

03:18:43.000 Alcohol is a depressant, right?

03:18:45.000 Alcohol is a central nervous system depressant.

03:18:46.000 But I know something like a Quaalude or...

03:18:49.000 I actually knew a power lifter where the only drug he could...

03:18:52.000 People don't remember this.

03:18:53.000 It's a date rape drug. 1.00

03:18:54.000 It was a prescribed drug.

03:18:56.000 A guy named Chad.

03:18:57.000 One of the date rape drugs.

03:18:58.000 Well, whatever the most common date rape drug, I don't know if it's actually Rufalin or whatever it's called, but most commonly used or the most effective date rape drug.

03:19:06.000 I know what you're thinking about, but I can't, it's not coming to me.

03:19:10.000 I know the drug, but it's a weird one where it helps bodybuilders sleep.

03:19:15.000 Well, this guy was a power lifter.

03:19:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:19:17.000 Power lifters do it too because it actually infers more development.

03:19:20.000 Oh, growth hormone.

03:19:21.000 Well, not just growth hormone, but recovery time because they have like deep sleep. 1.00

03:19:26.000 Fuck, what is it called? 0.99

03:19:28.000 But you know what I'm talking about. 1.00

03:19:28.000 What is it? 1.00

03:19:29.000 It's used as a date rape drug. 1.00

03:19:30.000 It's not our hypnose.

03:19:32.000 That's roofies. 0.98

03:19:33.000 That's roofies. 0.98

03:19:33.000 There's another thing. 0.98

03:19:34.000 I know what you're talking about.

03:19:35.000 But it's used as a date rape drug. 1.00

03:19:36.000 Yes.

03:19:36.000 And there was a guy who actually, that was the only thing he could sleep on.

03:19:39.000 And then it became so, they don't prescribe it anymore.

03:19:42.000 He had insomnia.

03:19:43.000 He had like an 1100 squat.

03:19:46.000 Not quite world record, but close to it.

03:19:48.000 And lived out in Reno, Nevada.

03:19:50.000 And that was the only way he could sleep.

03:19:51.000 When he wasn't able to get it anymore, his lifts fell.

03:19:54.000 Did you find it?

03:19:55.000 Gross.

03:19:56.000 Progestrix? 0.85

03:19:57.000 No.

03:19:58.000 God damn it. 1.00

03:19:59.000 It's got like a real common name. 1.00

03:20:01.000 I'll text my buddy because he had an overdose of it.

03:20:06.000 But he was like 18. God, hold on a second.

03:20:10.000 Can you talk, please, for a moment while I pull this up?

03:20:13.000 You want me to talk?

03:20:13.000 I don't know what you want to talk about.

03:20:14.000 GHB, thank you.

03:20:15.000 That's it.

03:20:16.000 I had a buddy of mine.

03:20:17.000 I have a show to do tomorrow.

03:20:18.000 Where are you going?

03:20:19.000 I have to go back.

03:20:19.000 I have a show tomorrow.

03:20:20.000 A TV show or radio?

03:20:21.000 My show to do.

03:20:23.000 There's no way we're going to get it done.

03:20:24.000 Us making up is going to be so good for your show and my show, too.

03:20:28.000 No, it's not. 1.00

03:20:28.000 The entire commentary from this is going to be, What a moron. 1.00

03:20:31.000 He thinks weed doesn't cure cancer. 1.00

03:20:32.000 No, man.

03:20:33.000 We're gonna be fine.

03:20:34.000 Oh, I guarantee it.

03:20:34.000 I guarantee it.

03:20:35.000 Yeah, but don't worry about it.

03:20:36.000 We're gonna get through this and get through it in a way that makes sense.

03:20:40.000 Look, I definitely get weird with these conversations, and I assume everybody can get...

03:20:48.000 You know, fake hostile with me. 1.00

03:20:51.000 So if I call it, come on, bitch. 1.00

03:20:52.000 I talk to you like that. 1.00

03:20:53.000 I don't mean it in a negative way.

03:20:54.000 I do it like I would do it if you were Brian Callen, and he would start laughing along.

03:20:58.000 Yeah.

03:20:58.000 But you live in Michigan, you get a little sensitive.

03:21:01.000 Come on, no, no, no, no, no.

03:21:02.000 When you go, that's adorable.

03:21:03.000 That is adorable.

03:21:05.000 Hold on a second.

03:21:06.000 When you say that, that's not meant to.

03:21:07.000 And we were joking about other topics, but on that, you lasered in, got serious, you're wrong, let's stay on this, pound it in.

03:21:14.000 That's just, I don't understand the purpose to it.

03:21:17.000 Have some fun.

03:21:19.000 So that's fun.

03:21:20.000 It is a little bit of fun.

03:21:21.000 So you like doing that.

03:21:22.000 You like having someone in, disagreeing with them, and just going to town. 0.86

03:21:26.000 When someone's getting a little silly, like I think you might have got a little silly, I like to have a little fun. 0.94

03:21:30.000 Got a little silly? 0.93

03:21:31.000 Did I bring up the pawn issue? 0.85

03:21:33.000 I said it's the issue I care about the least.

03:21:35.000 Come on, let's get away from that.

03:21:37.000 We're free.

03:21:38.000 We're out of the woods.

03:21:39.000 We're back on the road.

03:21:40.000 We're doing good. 0.99

03:21:41.000 You just want to grab the wheel and go fucking crazy again. 0.99

03:21:44.000 Turn towards the trees. 0.99

03:21:46.000 Don't do it.

03:21:47.000 Resist.

03:21:48.000 Nitro hibiscus cold brew tea.

03:21:50.000 It's tea.

03:21:51.000 Yeah.

03:21:51.000 I had a hibiscus beer recently.

03:21:53.000 The most disgusting thing I've ever had in my life.

03:21:55.000 And I love hibiscus tea.

03:21:56.000 It just does not work for beer.

03:21:57.000 I bet if you were wearing Birkenstocks and you had white dreadlocks...

03:22:02.000 You would have thought, this is amazing.

03:22:04.000 Have you seen that kombucha beer?

03:22:06.000 I've had kombucha.

03:22:07.000 No, no, kombucha beer.

03:22:08.000 So that's like a kombucha that's like super strong, right?

03:22:11.000 I don't know how they do it because the alcohol with the active culture in kombucha should figuratively, right?

03:22:18.000 There shouldn't be alcohol.

03:22:19.000 Shouldn't it figuratively eat it as sugar because of the way kombucha ferments?

03:22:21.000 No, not necessarily.

03:22:23.000 Because GT's kombucha that you buy at Whole Foods, you have to actually have an ID to buy it.

03:22:28.000 Because it's more than one half of 1% alcohol by volume.

03:22:31.000 So you have to show your ID and be over 21 in order to buy kombucha.

03:22:35.000 Right.

03:22:35.000 Now that you say that, I think I might have tried kombucha beer once.

03:22:39.000 Can I say the name?

03:22:40.000 Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

03:22:40.000 It's called Good Vibrations.

03:22:42.000 And there's one that's okay and one that literally tastes like vomit.

03:22:45.000 One that's okay?

03:22:46.000 There's like a ginger one, and one of them, the problem is I don't remember which one.

03:22:50.000 So it's rolling the dice every time you have it.

03:22:52.000 See, some people, I just tell them about kombucha, about the positive benefits of probiotics, and like, you should try it, and you should eat kimchi, and you should eat sauerkraut.

03:23:00.000 I was a kefir farmer.

03:23:01.000 Kefir's great.

03:23:02.000 I had my own culture.

03:23:04.000 Have you ever done kefir yourself?

03:23:06.000 No, but I did make kombucha myself.

03:23:08.000 I've done that before.

03:23:09.000 Kefir is easier.

03:23:09.000 Really?

03:23:10.000 Yeah, it looks like a slimy, kind of like a sea brain or cauliflower.

03:23:15.000 Isn't it like a grain originally?

03:23:17.000 Technically it's a grain, but it's really just an active culture of bacteria and yeast.

03:23:21.000 So literally, as opposed to yogurt with a straining or kombucha, you literally just put it in a jar.

03:23:25.000 Put it on a countertop for a day and strain it.

03:23:29.000 And after, I think, about four or five batches, it's doubled.

03:23:32.000 And then it quadruples.

03:23:33.000 It's like an investment account.

03:23:34.000 And my wife killed it while I was on the road, actually, doing stand-up.

03:23:37.000 I had a few shows, and I came back.

03:23:38.000 And you have to replace it every day, otherwise there's no sugar to feed it.

03:23:41.000 And I came back, and it looked like a snot rag, and that was the end of it.

03:23:44.000 Now I just buy it at the store.

03:23:45.000 Kombucha is not really a fungus, but it's somehow or another like a cousin of a fungus, and people think it's a fungus, but it's a life form.

03:23:53.000 And when you get it, like I had it at one point in time, it was like the size of a laptop, and I had this like big salad bowl, and I was growing kombucha in my refrigerator in a salad bowl, and the whole top of the salad bowl was this rubbery sort of life form.

03:24:07.000 It's that, like, disc.

03:24:09.000 Yeah.

03:24:09.000 Like a pancake.

03:24:09.000 But it would get big.

03:24:10.000 It would get really big.

03:24:11.000 And then what I would do is I would drain it into a pitcher, and I would put the pitcher into the refrigerator, and then I would put more of the sugar water, and I forget what all the ingredients were, but I know sugar was a part of it.

03:24:22.000 Yeah.

03:24:23.000 Because the culture had to eat sugar in order to stay alive, and then it would ferment, and the fermentation was a part of it, and then you would, you know, get, like, some sort of probiotic benefit from it.

03:24:35.000 That's a lot harder than kefir.

03:24:37.000 Because kefir, you just pour the milk and the lactose is the sugar, and that's it, and it's done.

03:24:41.000 What's actually good about it, too, if you read the studies on it, like two tablespoons of kefir, like actual homemade kefir, is tens of billions, you know, of microorganisms.

03:24:51.000 Yeah, super good for you.

03:24:53.000 And it's higher in protein, because if you do the math, so you can still, basically at that point, you're left without the lactose, so you're left with really just the fat and the protein.

03:25:01.000 Yeah.

03:25:01.000 And all the B vitamins, so it's like, I read an article once, I cannot corroborate this, but they said that goat's milk, whole goat's milk kefir, if you could only have one food, would be the most complete food you could have.

03:25:14.000 Wow.

03:25:15.000 But what about all your vitamins that you would get, like phytonutrients?

03:25:18.000 Well, it's not ideal.

03:25:19.000 It's not ideal.

03:25:20.000 If you could only do one because you get the B vitamins, you get vitamin D, you get vitamin K. Yeah.

03:25:26.000 And that's what I wrote.

03:25:27.000 They said, if you could only have one, and then there was an article that said, if you could only have two, it'd be like that and egg yolks. 0.99

03:25:33.000 Have you ever fucked with some of those pharmaceutical-grade probiotics? 0.98

03:25:39.000 Rhonda Patrick was talking about those once on the podcast. 0.96

03:25:41.000 She was talking about some stuff you have to refrigerate it, you buy it as super potent.

03:25:45.000 Oh, yeah, I have.

03:25:46.000 Have you?

03:25:46.000 Well, you know, my producer, Nat Gay Jared, had ulcerative colitis, so he has no cold.

03:25:51.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

03:25:52.000 So he's going to our office bathroom four or five times a day.

03:25:55.000 Oh, the poor guy.

03:25:56.000 And I had a problem one time where I just, I was so stressed.

03:26:00.000 You know, I have all these nerve endings where my stomach just, I felt like I thought, oh no, ulcerative colitis was getting tested for it.

03:26:05.000 And it just turned out it was stress.

03:26:07.000 And they put me on these probiotics and it didn't really work.

03:26:12.000 And then when I did the kefir, that actually helped a lot more.

03:26:15.000 Wouldn't it be ironic if marijuana was really the cure that you needed the entire time?

03:26:19.000 I bet you it probably would have helped because it would have eased the anxiety.

03:26:21.000 I bet you would have.

03:26:22.000 It might have, but it also might have made you more anxious.

03:26:25.000 Because it makes people...

03:26:26.000 That's one thing.

03:26:26.000 You want to talk about the...

03:26:27.000 Here's the negative.

03:26:28.000 I'll give you one side of the negative that people ignore.

03:26:31.000 Is the paranoia that marijuana gives you.

03:26:34.000 It 100% gives you paranoia. 0.97

03:26:36.000 I have had some friends that were deep, deep potheads that went fucking cold turkey and don't want to go back. 0.96

03:26:41.000 It's like a monster that's in their closet that's waiting to get them when they go to pick out their socks. 0.98

03:26:46.000 There's...

03:26:47.000 No doubt about it.

03:26:49.000 It has this one effect on some people, particularly if you take too much of it, or if your life is getting away from you, you know, if it's like slipping away from you, and then you start waking bacon, and then you just don't ever deal with all your issues, so they compound and fucking whirlwind.

03:27:05.000 I was told that. 0.99

03:27:06.000 El Nino of bullshit. 1.00

03:27:07.000 Have you done this gene site testing? 1.00

03:27:10.000 No, what's that?

03:27:11.000 Really haven't done it?

03:27:12.000 No.

03:27:12.000 I'm surprised.

03:27:13.000 So it's mainly used in psychiatry now, but they're saying it's going to have all kinds of future with determining cancer and things like that.

03:27:19.000 And they actually use it to look for depression, bipolar, ADHD, and they can look at your genes.

03:27:24.000 Now, I'm not a doctor, so I'm going to butcher this.

03:27:26.000 But basically, for me...

03:27:28.000 They can look at your dopamine and say, okay, this is how your genetics work. 0.94

03:27:31.000 Can they tell if you're gay?

03:27:33.000 I don't know if they can tell if you're gay, but maybe they'll find it at some point. 0.99

03:27:36.000 If they did, would you accept it?

03:27:36.000 I already have accepted it.

03:27:37.000 I actually have a video called, Do You Choose to be Gay?

03:27:39.000 And my answer is definitively no.

03:27:40.000 What if it was you? 0.98

03:27:43.000 Well, again, because I don't choose a pretty much new, when I tuned into the OC when I was a kid and I was looking at Misha Barton and Rachel Bilson and the people who wanted to screw Adam Brody, I think that's when you realize you're gay. 0.99

03:27:54.000 If it were me, then I'd be gay. 0.97

03:27:56.000 Okay. 0.87

03:27:57.000 What does that matter?

03:27:57.000 Just question.

03:27:58.000 Would you be uncomfortable?

03:27:59.000 If I were gay? 0.91

03:28:00.000 If you were gay? 0.97

03:28:00.000 No. 0.97

03:28:01.000 I've had Milo on the show twice.

03:28:02.000 Because I've complimented you quite a bit.

03:28:03.000 Thank you.

03:28:03.000 Appreciate that.

03:28:04.000 You could look back and think, well, maybe he's gay. 0.98

03:28:06.000 Maybe he had ulterior motives.

03:28:07.000 I don't think I would think that.

03:28:08.000 But with dopamine, with me, we have a relative in the family who actually, well, I should say, who has an issue.

03:28:14.000 And so they looked at genes that create serotonin.

03:28:17.000 And then, okay, most people have a long gene and a short gene.

03:28:19.000 And you have two short genes.

03:28:21.000 And with me, that's the case with dopamine.

03:28:22.000 So like a lot of people who would maybe typically be addicts, Or people with ADHD or people who, for me, I didn't realize this until I was a lot older.

03:28:30.000 Look, I'm going to totally expose myself as vulnerable to all the angry potheads after the argument.

03:28:35.000 I didn't realize until I was older, I didn't actually feel the same feelings of joy or pleasure that other people do.

03:28:42.000 So, dopamine, right?

03:28:43.000 You know how that works.

03:28:43.000 It's your reward center.

03:28:44.000 You do something good, bing. 0.94

03:28:45.000 And I was a B student in high school.

03:28:47.000 I never opened a textbook.

03:28:49.000 Because if I completed something, I did a project, that was it.

03:28:52.000 Most people are like, I did a project.

03:28:54.000 I was like, okay, I did a project.

03:28:55.000 What's the next thing?

03:28:56.000 I never really felt that reward center in the brain.

03:28:59.000 And they did this gene site testing and they found that basically they have the worst genetic pattern.

03:29:03.000 It's not entirely accurate, but it's actually increased the efficacy of antidepressants from like a 1 in 2 to like a 2 in 3. Something like that.

03:29:13.000 Because they can look and look at your genetics more effectively.

03:29:17.000 I'm sorry to interrupt, but have you taken antidepressants?

03:29:22.000 I've taken ADHD medication.

03:29:25.000 That's not antidepressants.

03:29:26.000 No, it's not antidepressants, but it's easy to...

03:29:28.000 Hyperactivity disorder is a completely different situation, right?

03:29:31.000 Well, but it's also basically a dopamine shortage.

03:29:34.000 ADHD is?

03:29:34.000 Mm-hmm.

03:29:35.000 Wow.

03:29:36.000 That's why stimulants, you know, on people who actually have ADHD don't rev them up, actually just zone them in.

03:29:41.000 You know, some kid takes Adderall, who's studying, and they feel, like, wired.

03:29:44.000 Oh.

03:29:45.000 And before the genetic testing, that's how they often tested for it.

03:29:48.000 Well, how do you react to this drug?

03:29:50.000 And if you feel wired, like, you know, me with all this, I had 600 milligrams of caffeine.

03:29:54.000 Right.

03:29:55.000 Then you probably don't have ADHD. What kind of shit did they put you on when they put you on ADHD medication? 1.00

03:30:01.000 You know, the basic, like Adderall, stuff like that. 1.00

03:30:02.000 Oh, so they put you on Adderall?

03:30:04.000 Yeah, I'm taking it.

03:30:04.000 And I don't take it every day because I never want to be dependent on it.

03:30:07.000 How often do you take it?

03:30:10.000 I don't know.

03:30:10.000 A couple times a week?

03:30:11.000 Yeah, probably.

03:30:12.000 Do you just take it when you're feeling down?

03:30:14.000 No, it is amazing.

03:30:15.000 I will tell you this.

03:30:16.000 I never realized until I took it.

03:30:18.000 And I'm not advocating because I think it's way overprescribed.

03:30:21.000 I think you're right.

03:30:21.000 I don't think you should put kids on it.

03:30:24.000 I think you're right, too.

03:30:25.000 And I think that most kids, or most people who take it, don't need it.

03:30:29.000 But I also think that there are people with real conditions out there.

03:30:32.000 Like you.

03:30:32.000 That can benefit from it.

03:30:33.000 Well, you have a genetic...

03:30:34.000 Well...

03:30:35.000 You can prove it.

03:30:35.000 Well, because for the longest time, my wife will hear this, and she'll...

03:30:41.000 We're good to go.

03:31:01.000 And I never finished reading it.

03:31:02.000 I read like three pages and moved on to something else.

03:31:05.000 And they said, okay, let's do this test, this whole kind of questionnaire deal.

03:31:09.000 And it was pretty extensive, you know, short of actually doing a CAT scan.

03:31:12.000 I said, okay, you test like in the top 99th percentile.

03:31:15.000 And we did the gene site testing.

03:31:17.000 I think it's called GeneSite.

03:31:19.000 And it was pretty remarkable.

03:31:22.000 And I will say that I won't get into exactly what it is that I've done or what medications I've taken, but it was certainly life-changing as far as I didn't know what normal people felt like.

03:31:30.000 Wow, that's really fascinating.

03:31:32.000 ADHD is a fascinating form of a sort of a mild mental disorder that's extremely frequent.

03:31:40.000 I don't think it's as frequent as a lot of people think, though.

03:31:42.000 I think it's over-prescribed?

03:31:44.000 Yeah, I really do.

03:31:45.000 I really do, because whenever I say it, you know, people go, oh, I too, I'm major ADD. I go, no, no, no.

03:31:50.000 It's not the same thing. 0.97

03:31:51.000 Right, that's the thing that people like to say to discompensate for them being a douchebag. 1.00

03:31:55.000 Asperger's. 0.92

03:31:55.000 I'm so ADHD. Oh, you're a dick. 0.92

03:31:57.000 I'm on the spectrum. 1.00

03:31:58.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

03:31:59.000 I'm on the autistic spectrum.

03:32:01.000 But it is, I came into it kicking and screaming.

03:32:04.000 Oh, wow.

03:32:05.000 I mean, I never did anything in school.

03:32:07.000 I just did the bare minimum.

03:32:09.000 I was so...

03:32:11.000 So boring.

03:32:12.000 And then when, you know, they started doing actual, like, you know, IQ testing and stuff, and we found, like, well, listen, medication doesn't make you smarter.

03:32:20.000 See, I have my own theories about this whole thing that they do when they take kids and they make them all sit in the same school, in the same class, and listen to the same subject.

03:32:31.000 Right.

03:32:31.000 I don't think there's anything in life that mirrors that.

03:32:34.000 And I think experiences in life vary radically.

03:32:37.000 And I think that if you looked at nature and the great spectrum of survivors and, you know, winners and losers and how genes get expressed and how evolution takes place in nature.

03:32:48.000 Yeah.

03:32:48.000 There's all sorts of different kinds of animals.

03:32:52.000 Why wouldn't we assume there's all sorts of different kinds of people?

03:32:54.000 Whenever you force all people to sit down and do the same thing, you're going to have aberrations.

03:32:59.000 You're going to have people that don't...

03:33:00.000 Obviously, you've found something with your show and with public speaking that you excel at.

03:33:06.000 You've found this thing, this ranting thing that you could do where you could just go on 100 words a second about all these different things.

03:33:14.000 You've found this thing where...

03:33:17.000 Whatever way your brain works, it works perfectly for that.

03:33:21.000 It's the same thing with a stand-up comedian, the same thing with a musician, an author. 1.00

03:33:25.000 There's a lot of people that daydream all the time, like, oh, you're a fucking loser. 1.00

03:33:28.000 No, this guy's writing books in his fucking head. 1.00

03:33:30.000 Just give him a goddamn laptop and he's going to make a million bucks. 1.00

03:33:33.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

03:33:34.000 Well, I mean, and the truth is people, they want to, you probably talked about this with Kristinoff Summers.

03:33:38.000 Actually, there are people who have a lot of those kind of interactions that you talked about in a classroom on a daily basis.

03:33:43.000 They're called women. 1.00

03:33:44.000 They sit down and talk.

03:33:46.000 Think about women they get together with a book group or whatever it is.

03:33:49.000 They literally sit down and listen, and they'll listen to someone.

03:33:53.000 And that's it.

03:33:54.000 And they'll sit because they're very auditory.

03:33:55.000 That's the way they learned the public education system in the United States was designed for girls from the ground up. 0.96

03:33:59.000 And you put boys into a world where they don't do well.

03:34:02.000 They do not thrive in that atmosphere of what girls do. 1.00

03:34:04.000 And that's why girls have much higher grades in high school going into college. 1.00

03:34:08.000 And then when boys can study at their own pace, they do better on the SATs.

03:34:12.000 There's actually a great book called Wild at Heart, I think, by John Eldridge, that talks about that.

03:34:15.000 And this was a long time ago.

03:34:17.000 Rather, we know boys learn better with their hands.

03:34:19.000 Think about it, right?

03:34:20.000 It's considered a masculine gym, shop, or not just masculine things, but physical science, where you're working in a laboratory.

03:34:27.000 Those are subjects where boys actually tend to do better than girls, often in high school, or they rate it as something they like.

03:34:33.000 Instead of changing the way we do male education, we try and change little boys. 0.97

03:34:37.000 And that's a real problem. 0.93

03:34:39.000 And I think that's a big reason, not because someone was bullied because someone used the word fag.

03:34:43.000 I think you probably have a lot of incidents of depression in young boys, in particular, because you're putting them in an atmosphere where they can't possibly succeed.

03:34:50.000 Yeah, well, I think both are problematic, but I think the square peg round hole issue has been there for the beginning of school in the first place.

03:34:57.000 I mean, I don't mean to be like a proponent of homeschooling, but really...

03:35:03.000 I mean, once you have kids, I think you kind of realize that, god damn, every kid out of the box is a totally different thing.

03:35:09.000 They're just different. 0.93

03:35:10.000 Yeah, we're going to homeschool.

03:35:11.000 Because my wife, she went to Montessori school, and she went to, I don't know if it was a public high school or private high school.

03:35:18.000 But basically, she's a genius.

03:35:20.000 She's very, very smart, but she did not do well in a normal school at all.

03:35:24.000 Do you think you could find a school that maybe is more flexible?

03:35:28.000 That's the Montessori school.

03:35:30.000 Socializing is critical for kids.

03:35:33.000 And socializing during the day, they learn about each other.

03:35:36.000 They learn about interactions, and you can talk to them too.

03:35:39.000 They come home, you know, Debbie said something mean to me, what did she say?

03:35:43.000 Yeah.

03:35:44.000 I think that's important.

03:35:45.000 I can tell you kind of a tale of two homeschooled kids.

03:35:48.000 I won't give any names here because they'll know who they are.

03:35:51.000 Okay.

03:35:51.000 Family.

03:35:52.000 They have homeschooled kids.

03:35:53.000 Very weird.

03:35:56.000 Just stare at their screen all day.

03:35:58.000 I have another family friends who homeschooled their kids.

03:36:01.000 They're the best kids you could possibly have at an adult dinner table because they put the kids in jujitsu.

03:36:07.000 I think one of them does tennis.

03:36:08.000 They put kids in all kinds of social activities.

03:36:10.000 They travel with the kids.

03:36:11.000 They take them to Europe.

03:36:12.000 And then whenever they have adult Get-togethers, where it's appropriate for kids to be.

03:36:16.000 They still have adult night and date night.

03:36:18.000 Kids can be there and they'll speak when asked to speak.

03:36:21.000 They don't interrupt.

03:36:22.000 They're able to interact with adults.

03:36:24.000 They're probably the most well-adjusted kids I've ever seen.

03:36:27.000 And then I have seen the weird, creepy, homeschooled kids where you do your class on your iPad and then afterwards you get to watch PewDiePie, you know, play video games or whatever it is.

03:36:36.000 So it really does come down to the parents.

03:36:38.000 But I do think that a parent who knows how to homeschool a kid...

03:36:41.000 I think that's going to be, especially if the mom is at home with the kids, you know, I think that's a huge leg up for them.

03:36:46.000 Well, there's obviously so many variables as far as the intellect of the parents and what their thought process is behind homeschooling their kid and what their experience level is and how much thought they put into it and where they're coming from emotionally, psychologically, intellectually.

03:37:02.000 Yeah, there's a lot of variables.

03:37:03.000 I mean, the idea of homeschooling is bad or homeschooling is good.

03:37:06.000 I have friends that have homeschooled three of their kids.

03:37:09.000 They have four kids.

03:37:10.000 They homeschooled three of them.

03:37:11.000 The kids are fine.

03:37:11.000 Yeah.

03:37:12.000 They're fine.

03:37:13.000 They put a lot of work into it.

03:37:14.000 They spend a lot of time with their kids.

03:37:15.000 They took their kids all over the world.

03:37:17.000 They took their kids traveling all through Europe.

03:37:19.000 Yeah.

03:37:19.000 You know, they just decided at some point in time, and it wasn't always homeschool.

03:37:22.000 They had done some public school.

03:37:24.000 They had done some private school.

03:37:26.000 And then they got to a point, they were like, look, what are we doing here?

03:37:29.000 Like, we're trying to, you know, the kids got older into their, like, pre-teens and then their teens.

03:37:34.000 And then they came to this conclusion, like, what they're coming back from high school with and from middle school with is not what I want them to be exposed with.

03:37:44.000 I want to rather.

03:37:45.000 I want to be exposed to the classics.

03:37:48.000 I want them to be exposed to life and just looking at human beings in a way that's like open-minded and traveling and seeing things.

03:37:55.000 And so instead of like necessarily just having them take Spanish, they lived in Spain for a little while.

03:38:00.000 They went to Spain and lived there. 0.99

03:38:01.000 So they did some interesting shit. 1.00

03:38:03.000 Crazy Asian you were talking about on Tucker Carlson. 1.00

03:38:05.000 She's a middle school teacher.

03:38:06.000 Yeah, think of the enclaves of crazy places where these social justice warriors go and often they go into teaching because it's their way to get power of these little kids Here's the thing that was really we wrote about that on the website and what I wrote about that was that interview.

03:38:19.000 Yeah, whatever about that was This is a horrible interview because she's okay with violence in Berkeley But what really disturbs me is Is every other professor out there who isn't a national story.

03:38:30.000 Let's say she didn't get caught on camera hitting a guy with a stick, right?

03:38:33.000 But some kid stands up who's a conservative in middle school.

03:38:36.000 I was that way where I would argue with a teacher and just says, well, I think you're wrong.

03:38:40.000 And she kicks that kid out of class and just says that kid's being disruptive. 1.00

03:38:45.000 Let's say that teacher is the principal, gets the kid expelled from school.

03:38:49.000 These people have these little enclaves of power, these positions of authority, and parents kind of have to trust the teacher.

03:38:55.000 So you see that.

03:38:56.000 It's a national story.

03:38:57.000 She's exposed.

03:38:58.000 But what about all the teachers who aren't?

03:39:00.000 I had a teacher...

03:39:02.000 Complain to my parents and talk about how disrespectful I was and what a horrible person I was because I think in the ninth grade I actually argued.

03:39:10.000 I was like, I actually don't think we should give the land back to the Native Americans when she was teaching that.

03:39:14.000 I'm with the teacher. 1.00

03:39:15.000 Fuck you. 1.00

03:39:17.000 I made an argument! 1.00

03:39:19.000 What was your argument?

03:39:20.000 What did you say?

03:39:22.000 Well, I was a smartass, so this was me, as you know, as a 14-year-old, and I said, the fact that...

03:39:27.000 I remember who she was.

03:39:28.000 I won't use her name.

03:39:29.000 I said, the fact that you're wearing Levi's, and because you have a sore throat, you're speaking through an electronic speaker when you just drove here in a Toyota Yaris, and you're in an electrically-powered school in a union tells me you're glad that we settled here.

03:39:45.000 And she didn't answer.

03:39:46.000 She didn't argue.

03:39:46.000 She just sent me out of class.

03:39:48.000 And I remember the next morning, I thought it was kind of...

03:39:51.000 I didn't really think...

03:39:51.000 My dad was furious because he got a call from someone saying, I was disrupting class.

03:39:56.000 She asked students, do you agree with me?

03:39:57.000 Was your dad mad at the teacher?

03:39:59.000 No, he was mad at me.

03:40:00.000 Why was he mad at you?

03:40:01.000 Because he didn't get the full story.

03:40:02.000 He just hears Stevens being immensely disrespectful, talking back in class.

03:40:06.000 He didn't hear the, she asked for an opinion.

03:40:08.000 This was MRE, Moral Religious Education, was a class we had to take in Montreal.

03:40:12.000 Moral Religious Education.

03:40:14.000 Yep.

03:40:14.000 So there's guilt for the First Nation people up in Canada.

03:40:18.000 Is that what it is?

03:40:19.000 I'm a specific professor.

03:40:20.000 And a matter of fact, I learned what right wing was because I remember at one point she said, that's so right wing.

03:40:24.000 That's so right.

03:40:25.000 And I didn't know what it was.

03:40:26.000 I was 14. I had said something and I said, dad, what does right wing mean?

03:40:30.000 Says, well, and he kind of explained to me the political spectrum.

03:40:33.000 I said, okay, I guess I am right wing.

03:40:36.000 I was in Alberta, and I was with some friends who live up there, and we were fishing.

03:40:41.000 And we were fishing right next to these First Nation people, which are their Native Americans, right?

03:40:47.000 And they have a limit of walleye that you can take.

03:40:51.000 You can only take one walleye per day if you're a regular person.

03:40:55.000 But if you're a First Nations person, you can just pull in as many as you want.

03:41:00.000 And I was like...

03:41:03.000 How does that work?

03:41:04.000 And they go, oh, it's way crazier than that.

03:41:06.000 They can go out at night with spotlights and shine them on moose and gun them down from trucks.

03:41:13.000 Right, because then it frees them?

03:41:14.000 Yeah.

03:41:14.000 Yeah, they don't know what it is.

03:41:15.000 They don't know what they do?

03:41:16.000 They stand still and they try to figure out what's going on.

03:41:18.000 Moose don't see spotlights, ever, in the real world.

03:41:21.000 So when they see one, they freeze, and then they shoot them with guns from trucks.

03:41:25.000 And I was like, what?

03:41:26.000 So they're allowed to poach.

03:41:27.000 Well, it's not poaching.

03:41:28.000 They can do whatever they want.

03:41:29.000 I go, well, how many are they allowed to kill? 0.93

03:41:30.000 As many as they want. 0.98

03:41:31.000 So they can kill all the moose. 0.99

03:41:32.000 They can kill all the moose. 0.99

03:41:34.000 Whoa.

03:41:34.000 I was like, that seems odd.

03:41:37.000 You know who makes a great argument in the Native American case? 1.00

03:41:39.000 It's actually, have you read Chael Sonnen's book?

03:41:41.000 No.

03:41:41.000 It's very interesting.

03:41:42.000 And he talks about this, like Michael Medved and Dennis Prager have talked about this, but I was surprised as to how cogent Chael's arguments were.

03:41:49.000 He's a very smart guy.

03:41:50.000 Well, he's a very smart guy, and then he always kind of plays it down or plays it up when it's convenient.

03:41:55.000 But if you read his book, he talks about it, he says, it's just a numbers game.

03:41:58.000 The reason that we were able to colonize here is entirely because of Native Americans. 0.90

03:42:03.000 They were being...

03:42:04.000 He wrote about it in a way, I'm butchering it, but he said, like, when we came, for example, like, let's talk about the Mayans.

03:42:09.000 He goes, they had literally pyramids or Aztec, whatever, they had buildings entirely full of gold.

03:42:15.000 He goes, now, how do you think they procured said gold?

03:42:18.000 Do you think that they maybe went to other tribes or other members and said, you are going to bring us this gold or be, die.

03:42:26.000 And so what happened was thousands upon thousands, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, said when the conquistadors came, who would never have had enough to take over that area of the world, said, we're going to take our chances with the red guys with the beards and the metal helmets because they've been treated so poorly for so long.

03:42:42.000 And the same thing if you look at the Algonquins and the Iroquois and Quebec, those were the tribes that we had and the kind of the packs that they would have.

03:42:48.000 And listen, They screwed them.

03:42:50.000 Don't get me wrong. 0.80

03:42:50.000 They really screwed them with the firewater thing and they pulled the rug out from under them. 0.80

03:42:53.000 I'm not defending it.

03:42:54.000 But the idea that we came in and just conquered these people.

03:42:57.000 I know there were a lot of people who were mistreated because this horse culture that they... 1.00

03:43:01.000 First off, they hadn't domesticated horses.

03:43:02.000 They didn't even use the wheel.

03:43:05.000 And so a lot of the things that were taught are not true and were taught that they were peaceful.

03:43:09.000 No, they weren't peaceful.

03:43:10.000 That's why all of a sudden these new people who came in with sticks that go boom had thousands of Native Americans at their disposal who were willing to die with them because they were tired of being treated that way.

03:43:22.000 And I made some argument to maybe that effect, got in trouble, got sent home.

03:43:26.000 Well, it's a complicated issue that spans hundreds of years, but there was certainly intertribal warfare and the word that the Sioux used.

03:43:33.000 They don't use the word Sioux.

03:43:34.000 They use the word Lakota.

03:43:35.000 They call themselves Lakota people.

03:43:37.000 Sioux is a word for enemy.

03:43:38.000 That's what it means.

03:43:39.000 So, like, that's what other Native American cultures would call them.

03:43:42.000 They would call them the enemy because they were killing each other.

03:43:44.000 The Nez Perce and the Apaches. 1.00

03:43:46.000 They would go to war with each other, neighboring tribes.

03:43:48.000 It was constant.

03:43:50.000 It's just when the Europeans came, they were so overwhelming that we feel bad for what they did. 1.00

03:43:54.000 But you know what killed more Native Americans than anything?

03:43:57.000 Our diseases.

03:43:58.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:43:58.000 Our dirty, dirty bugs. 0.98

03:44:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:44:00.000 We came over here and coughed on them, and they all fucking died. 1.00

03:44:03.000 Well, that's another thing, too, right? 0.99

03:44:04.000 That we killed them deliberately with smallpox blankets.

03:44:07.000 That's not true.

03:44:08.000 We didn't even understand.

03:44:09.000 We didn't have germ theory.

03:44:10.000 No, they didn't understand.

03:44:11.000 They didn't understand that scabs, if you, like, take... 0.99

03:44:14.000 The idea was you took scabs from people with fucking diseases, and you put them on blankets, and you gave them Native Americans. 1.00

03:44:20.000 Hehehehe. 1.00

03:44:20.000 Walk out rubbing your hands. 1.00

03:44:22.000 No, that's good.

03:44:23.000 Well, a big thing was horses.

03:44:24.000 Yeah.

03:44:24.000 They hadn't domesticated horses and a lot of animals.

03:44:27.000 So think about that.

03:44:28.000 You've never come in contact with these animals.

03:44:30.000 They're in the wild and all of a sudden these people are coming off effectively with a boat that's a giant farm.

03:44:35.000 And they're bringing these animals in that you've never had contact with before.

03:44:37.000 All kinds of diseases.

03:44:39.000 Oh, sure.

03:44:39.000 Well, that's the thing that people, a lot of people who don't understand where diseases come from, a giant percentage of them come from our livestock.

03:44:46.000 That's why you have swine flu and avian viruses and all these different things.

03:44:51.000 SARS in the Toronto airport.

03:44:52.000 Only Canada.

03:44:54.000 Remember that?

03:44:54.000 Yeah, we brought back SARS. You were the only ones who had SARS? What was SARS called?

03:44:58.000 What did it stand for?

03:44:59.000 I don't remember.

03:45:00.000 I just knew SARS. I knew all the Asians were wearing those masks at the Toronto airport. 0.99

03:45:05.000 I remember SARS. About Ebola was just a year ago.

03:45:08.000 Everybody's fucking, we're gonna die! 1.00

03:45:10.000 Ebola! 1.00

03:45:11.000 That fucking chick from New Jersey, that bitch, she left the hospital! 1.00

03:45:15.000 Right? 1.00

03:45:16.000 That was a big deal.

03:45:16.000 I remember I got so much flack from conservatives, too, because I was like, listen, I don't like Barack Obama as a president, but you can't blame Ebola on the guy.

03:45:24.000 And I'm like, oh, fuck! 1.00

03:45:25.000 Fuck you! 1.00

03:45:26.000 It's an African disease. 1.00

03:45:27.000 He's from Kenya.

03:45:28.000 I know, you know, and that's one of those things where I know I'm seen as an ideologue, but it seems like we get so much flack for criticizing Donald Trump, for example, on some trade policies.

03:45:36.000 We're like, I just think this is bad.

03:45:38.000 What's the big thing that you've been criticized about Trump for?

03:45:42.000 That I've been criticized about for?

03:45:43.000 Oh, just for criticizing him at all.

03:45:45.000 Anything.

03:45:46.000 Toe the line.

03:45:48.000 Us versus them, bro. 0.84

03:45:50.000 You've had people on the show, you've even mentioned on this program, people who are...

03:45:53.000 Their only raison d'être is being a provocateur to offend...

03:45:59.000 And there's a purpose to that.

03:46:00.000 But if just offending people is the end goal...

03:46:03.000 And I really don't think that's what we do if people actually watch the show.

03:46:06.000 I mean, if people actually watch the show every day, an hour of content, most of it is really pretty reasonable.

03:46:11.000 They see the highlight reel of me dressing as a tranny interviewing Wendy Davis, right?

03:46:14.000 That's from thousands and thousands of hours of the program.

03:46:18.000 So we criticize him all the time. 0.99

03:46:20.000 But, you know, less and less, because every time he does something stupid, the left does something so bad. 0.99

03:46:25.000 It's like calling him literally Hitler. 0.99

03:46:27.000 Like that woman who was a schoolteacher who was talking about... 1.00

03:46:31.000 Or Jim Jeffries.

03:46:32.000 Or Jim Jeffries.

03:46:32.000 What really bothered me about that woman who's a schoolteacher was she was talking about just labeling.

03:46:38.000 They're all fascists and you have to stop fascists.

03:46:41.000 And then when he described, when he asked her, what is a fascist? 0.99

03:46:44.000 She gave like this shitbag definition of what a fascist is. 1.00

03:46:47.000 It only suited her needs. 0.98

03:46:49.000 Let's pull up the actual literal definition of fascist, young Jamie.

03:46:53.000 What is the literal definition of fascist?

03:46:56.000 As I interpret it, it is...

03:46:58.000 I did a video on this, and here's what's so funny.

03:47:01.000 If I'm not mistaken, Google's definition brings up fascism and mentions right-wing.

03:47:05.000 But if you bring up communism or socialism, maybe it's authoritarianism, something that's very clearly left-wing, they don't actually mention left-wing.

03:47:13.000 Okay.

03:47:14.000 An advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism.

03:47:19.000 He went to Spain to fight against the fascists.

03:47:22.000 Two.

03:47:23.000 Extreme right-winger.

03:47:23.000 Yes.

03:47:24.000 Extreme right-winger, rightist.

03:47:25.000 Or a military coup throughout the old fascist regime.

03:47:29.000 Synonymous.

03:47:30.000 Authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial.

03:47:33.000 See, this is where it gets weird.

03:47:36.000 Undemocratic, illiberal.

03:47:38.000 Now type in communism.

03:47:39.000 But hold on a second.

03:47:41.000 Authoritarian and totalitarian.

03:47:44.000 When you talk about extreme left-wing ideologues, you are talking about authoritarians, and you're talking about totalitarians, and you're also talking about people that would advocate violence.

03:47:57.000 Against anyone who does not fit their mold of how a person should think or behave.

03:48:04.000 And what they do is they call them a fascist or they're calling them a Nazi.

03:48:07.000 And that lets them alleviate themselves of any guilt of being a violent person against these people.

03:48:13.000 And that's what happened at Berkeley. 0.95

03:48:14.000 And that's why this woman felt no irony about being on television saying that Milo is a homophobe when he's a gay guy. 0.79

03:48:22.000 Well, and she was also talking about justifying beating up people who weren't Milo. 0.96

03:48:25.000 Jamie, could you hit authoritarian real quick?

03:48:29.000 Yeah.

03:48:29.000 Okay.

03:48:30.000 Favoring or enforcing strict obedience or authority, especially that of the government, of the expense of personal freedom.

03:48:36.000 It was fascism.

03:48:37.000 Now, do me a favor.

03:48:38.000 Type in communism, and I want you to see the Google...

03:48:40.000 So it just said right-wing extremism, right?

03:48:42.000 With fascism, which is not a right-wing ideology at all.

03:48:45.000 Communism, do we all agree, is an inherently left-wing ideology?

03:48:47.000 Yeah.

03:48:48.000 Well, a political theory derived from Karl Marx...

03:48:50.000 Well, there's a lot of...

03:48:51.000 I had Jordan Peterson on the podcast, and he really talked about how...

03:48:56.000 It's like progressives who are sensitive and kind people gravitate towards Marxism in a lot of ways because the initial draw seems appealing, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid for according to their abilities and needs.

03:49:16.000 So here's the point, and I wrote about this.

03:49:19.000 I think we did a video on this.

03:49:20.000 Fascism, which is not inherently right-wing at all.

03:49:24.000 No.

03:49:24.000 It's not.

03:49:25.000 They write right-wing, extreme right-wing, illiberal.

03:49:29.000 Communism, which inherently has to be left-wing.

03:49:32.000 It is the definition of the political spectrum of left-wing, would be communism.

03:49:36.000 And then capitalism.

03:49:37.000 And then in between can be authoritarianism and fascism, depending on the regime.

03:49:42.000 No mention of left-wing with communism, because this is Google.

03:49:46.000 They know there's a negative connotation.

03:49:47.000 It's the first thing that comes up.

03:49:48.000 But fascism, authoritarianism, they immediately try to attribute to the right.

03:49:53.000 That's what people are fighting back again when they talk about media and fake news and the constant bias.

03:49:58.000 You see it there with Google.

03:49:59.000 That's not fair.

03:50:00.000 Right.

03:50:00.000 Do you think there's a problem with also defining things in terms of a word like Marxism or like communism?

03:50:06.000 Let's just talk about what are you trying to do?

03:50:08.000 What are you actually trying to appeal to when you're saying that you can't have someone speak at your university if they say things that you don't agree with?

03:50:17.000 Like, do you remember this story about the University of Toronto?

03:50:19.000 A really famous story.

03:50:20.000 A guy who is an author.

03:50:21.000 They completely misrepresented what his book was about.

03:50:24.000 They were saying he's pro-rape culture, and these feminists shut it down. 1.00

03:50:27.000 They pulled fire alarms. 1.00

03:50:29.000 The famous red-haired lady who's fucking screaming at people on YouTube videos. 1.00

03:50:33.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

03:50:33.000 I remember her name. 0.99

03:50:34.000 Melissa Click.

03:50:35.000 Melissa Click.

03:50:36.000 No, no, no.

03:50:37.000 That's the one from the University of Missouri.

03:50:38.000 Oh, that's right. 1.00

03:50:39.000 I'm talking about the one from Toronto, who is like, she's kind of funny in a way, because she's like, shut up, fuckface, I'm talking! 1.00

03:50:46.000 She's screaming at those men. 1.00

03:50:48.000 Remember that?

03:50:49.000 Like blood red hair with the glasses.

03:50:51.000 I mean, that was this crazy moment in time where this guy had scheduled an appearance to speak about his book, and someone had misrepresented his book, decided what his book was actually all about,

03:51:06.000 and decided that they were going to have a campaign to make sure this guy couldn't talk. 1.00

03:51:10.000 So people would show up, and they would try to just go to listen to this guy talk, and women were screaming in their face, you fucking rapist, you piece of shit! 1.00

03:51:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:51:19.000 The guy's like, I want to hear the guy talk! 1.00

03:51:21.000 Can I hear the guy talk?

03:51:22.000 No, they wouldn't let people...

03:51:23.000 I mean, that is fascism.

03:51:25.000 Well, yeah, exactly.

03:51:26.000 Isn't it?

03:51:26.000 Well, it happened, too, with Ann Coulter in Toronto, I remember.

03:51:29.000 And whether you agree with her or not...

03:51:30.000 She deserves it.

03:51:30.000 I disagree with her on a lot.

03:51:31.000 I don't mean that.

03:51:32.000 But she was... 0.99

03:51:34.000 I remember she was asking me, like, what...

03:51:35.000 And I said, well, you don't understand.

03:51:36.000 Freedom of speech doesn't really exist in Canada.

03:51:37.000 As a matter of fact, it doesn't exist outside of the United States.

03:51:39.000 It really doesn't exist in Canada.

03:51:41.000 I mean, they have some weird rules up there.

03:51:42.000 It doesn't exist in Europe.

03:51:43.000 No.

03:51:44.000 And when I told her that, she couldn't...

03:51:45.000 And then actually someone went on the news and said, well, what Ann Coulter needs to understand is that America has this idea of free speech and rugged individualism and all speech is protected.

03:51:55.000 But that's not the case in Canada.

03:51:56.000 And this was the representative.

03:51:57.000 They trotted out where she basically said freedom of speech does not exist in Canada. 0.99

03:52:01.000 And so you can read the YouTube comments where every time I see freedom of speech doesn't exist in Canada, thousands of people, that's bullshit because they think they get to type in an internet message board.

03:52:09.000 But you can be jailed in Canada for saying something wrong. 0.55

03:52:12.000 You can lose your business.

03:52:13.000 This is a Human Rights Council.

03:52:14.000 Yeah, we talked about it actually yesterday.

03:52:16.000 Did you have him, the comedian?

03:52:17.000 No, but we talked about...

03:52:18.000 Well, he's got a different case.

03:52:19.000 That's from Montreal.

03:52:20.000 We talked about the comedian from Vancouver that had the altercation with the lesbians and the crowd. 1.00

03:52:25.000 They were heckling him and the comedians before, and he called them some fucking pussy-eating dykes or whatever. 1.00

03:52:29.000 He said something crazy. 1.00

03:52:30.000 And they sued him and won.

03:52:32.000 They won.

03:52:33.000 He had pay, I don't know if he's paid, but it was tens of thousands of dollars. 0.99

03:52:37.000 I think it was something like $15,000 this fucking guy had to pay to these people who were hecklers. 0.98

03:52:43.000 Yeah, I know. 0.98

03:52:45.000 That's why, again, when people say the left versus right, this is why it does matter, because I lived through it in Quebec.

03:52:51.000 In Quebec, we only have the left.

03:52:52.000 We have liberals and then liberal separatists.

03:52:55.000 That's it.

03:52:55.000 So there's liberals and there's liberals who want to only speak French and secede from the rest of Canada.

03:53:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

03:53:00.000 Quebec's a weird place, right?

03:53:02.000 It's a very weird place.

03:53:03.000 It's not like the rest of Canada.

03:53:04.000 It's multiculturalism gone awry. 0.97

03:53:05.000 The French were a conquered people. 1.00

03:53:07.000 It should have been, shut up, you're speaking English. 1.00

03:53:08.000 Instead they said, it's cute, let's let them have their little enclave, and now it's just a nightmare for the rest of the country. 0.98

03:53:12.000 That's what white golfers are afraid about with California. 0.92

03:53:15.000 Is that what it's happening?

03:53:15.000 Mexicans are just going to dominate and turn this whole thing into a Mexican-speaking joint.

03:53:19.000 I don't remember what we were talking about before. 0.55

03:53:20.000 Oh! 0.60

03:53:21.000 Yeah, the left versus the right.

03:53:22.000 Because I do think you do, at a certain point, and I think a lot of people are readily acknowledging now, that, those stories that you're talking about, the red-haired girl, the Melissa Glick, this Asian lady, you really can't find that today on the right.

03:53:35.000 Right.

03:53:35.000 That is true.

03:53:36.000 It just doesn't exist today on the right.

03:53:37.000 It doesn't exist like that.

03:53:39.000 Well, it doesn't exist, period, on the right.

03:53:40.000 You know, people try to point to, like, parental advisory lyrics and stuff, and he probably has to pee as badly as I do.

03:53:45.000 Oh, my God.

03:53:46.000 You can go pee.

03:53:47.000 That was Tipper Gore.

03:53:48.000 Well, wait.

03:53:48.000 Yeah, no, the parental advisory thing from the 80s when she was trying to ban rap music.

03:53:53.000 People forget about that.

03:53:54.000 Al Gore's wife was trying to ban rap music. 1.00

03:53:57.000 And Christians never wanted to ban South Park.

03:53:59.000 That's one thing where they talked about, they said, no, we just don't want it on at night.

03:54:01.000 We want it on late at night.

03:54:03.000 We don't want our kids watching it.

03:54:04.000 And I remember Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

03:54:06.000 Was it Matt Stone?

03:54:06.000 Yeah, Matt Stone or Trey Parker.

03:54:07.000 I saw Matt speak at UT. And a guy stood up and he was asking this question, like, how do you fight against these Christians?

03:54:14.000 And he actually said, well, you know what?

03:54:15.000 He said, we've actually never had an issue with Really?

03:54:18.000 He said, they don't want it on in prime time.

03:54:19.000 We don't want it on in prime time.

03:54:21.000 We've seen them as an ally.

03:54:23.000 He said, contrast that to the Comedy Central reaction where they decided to cut an episode because we put Muhammad in it.

03:54:28.000 And that tells you who's really in power.

03:54:31.000 Right.

03:54:31.000 Something to that effect.

03:54:32.000 But the kid who was at UT, you know, in Austin, my brother went to UT, so he would get access to all these speeches or presentations.

03:54:39.000 The kid was dumbfounded.

03:54:40.000 He thought, well, Matt Stone's not one of me.

03:54:42.000 And Matt Stone's not a conservative.

03:54:43.000 He's not a Republican.

03:54:43.000 He's not a Trump supporter.

03:54:44.000 Right.

03:54:45.000 But he just recognizes the intolerance today of the progressive left.

03:54:49.000 Well, there's definitely an issue when you have that woman, the Melissa Glick lady, who was yelling at that kid who was just a photographer. 1.00

03:54:56.000 He was a journalist.

03:54:57.000 And I think he was hired to be there in a public space.

03:55:01.000 He was Asian.

03:55:02.000 Yeah, he was taking pictures.

03:55:03.000 And she said, can we get some muscle here?

03:55:05.000 Because we've created a safe space.

03:55:07.000 You can't take photos of our protests and our sit-in and our safe space about racism. 0.98

03:55:13.000 So we're going to get this Asian guy, because he doesn't understand black America. 1.00

03:55:16.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

03:55:18.000 How long do you think she was waiting to say, I just want to use the term muscle? 1.00

03:55:21.000 Oh, man.

03:55:21.000 She was just...

03:55:22.000 I want to say get some muscle here.

03:55:23.000 Well, she was intolerant in that she was very adamant about getting her way, and she did not consider whether or not they were in a public place, and this kid had the right to take those photographs.

03:55:31.000 And again, like you said, this is an Asian kid. 0.98

03:55:33.000 I mean, this is not like some fucking white jock with a crew cut like from, you know, Back to the Future where you can say, oh, it's fucking Biff. 1.00

03:55:40.000 Fuck him. 1.00

03:55:41.000 You know, it wasn't that. 1.00

03:55:42.000 It was really hard to label him as an oppressor.

03:55:47.000 But she still found a way.

03:55:48.000 And it was such an Asian response, too, where he was just like, I just want to do my job.

03:55:51.000 I don't want to be the center of this story.

03:55:53.000 He was like, add his camera up above his head and taking pictures.

03:55:56.000 You know, I don't want to start a march.

03:55:57.000 And she was like, You have to get out of here.

03:55:59.000 He's like, no, I don't.

03:56:00.000 No, this is my job.

03:56:01.000 I'm paid to be here.

03:56:02.000 I have to be here.

03:56:03.000 You have a public thing going on here.

03:56:04.000 There's a protest. 0.85

03:56:05.000 I have to urinate so badly. 0.87

03:56:06.000 Go do it, dude. 0.95

03:56:07.000 Go do it.

03:56:08.000 You're going to keep doing the show?

03:56:09.000 No, we'll wrap up.

03:56:10.000 We'll wrap up.

03:56:10.000 Let's wrap up.

03:56:11.000 All right, let's wrap up.

03:56:11.000 All right, so S Crowder on Twitter.

03:56:14.000 I'm glad we got through this, dude.

03:56:15.000 No, seriously, I really appreciate your generous dude.

03:56:17.000 I really do like you.

03:56:18.000 No, I like you a lot too. 0.99

03:56:19.000 If I fucked with you a little bit, I treated you like a stand-up comedian. 1.00

03:56:22.000 I figured you'd fuck with me back, and you got a little... 1.00

03:56:24.000 But we're fine. 1.00

03:56:25.000 We got through it.

03:56:25.000 No, that was me.

03:56:26.000 I'm glad we got through it.

03:56:27.000 We got through it.

03:56:28.000 Yeah, we got through it.

03:56:29.000 No, listen, seriously, and for those listening, honestly, I won't say...

03:56:32.000 Because I don't want you to get in trouble if I say, behind the scenes, Joe has done some things.

03:56:37.000 He says something that would have been very nice.

03:56:38.000 So, he's a nice...

03:56:41.000 Anyway, I don't know if that hurts your street cred.

03:56:42.000 I don't have any street cred.

03:56:44.000 I have zero street cred.

03:56:45.000 I have cats.

03:56:46.000 You have cats?

03:56:47.000 I have no street cred, dude.

03:56:48.000 I take yoga.

03:56:49.000 He's a good dude, too, folks.

03:56:51.000 We're all fine.

03:56:52.000 We're going to find a way, all these ideas, to come together.

03:56:57.000 This is part of it.

03:56:58.000 This is part of it.

03:56:59.000 So, thank you very much.

03:57:00.000 Thanks for tuning in.

03:57:01.000 Thank you, Steven Crowder.

03:57:02.000 Thank you, everybody. 1.00

03:57:03.000 See ya, fuckers! 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 15, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #917 - Steven Crowder

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