The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #934 - John Dudley

00:00:00.000 Get rye.

00:00:01.000 Four, three, two, one.

00:00:07.000 And we're live, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:09.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

00:00:10.000 Shout out to Shannon the Cannon Briggs.

00:00:12.000 Shout out to the Flat Earth.

00:00:14.000 Shout out to young Jamie for being a newfound believer.

00:00:19.000 And shout out to John Dudley!

00:00:22.000 Thanks for having me back, brother.

00:00:23.000 My brother.

00:00:24.000 Thanks for coming with me, man.

00:00:25.000 We have fun.

00:00:25.000 We just got back from a wild pig hunt, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:29.000 So if you're super not into killing animals, super not into eating animals, or hearing people talk about eating animals, now's definitely the time to shut this one off.

00:00:40.000 I get it.

00:00:41.000 We'll talk about, I'm sure we'll talk about fitness or something good about food for sure.

00:00:46.000 Archery, life.

00:00:47.000 Beverages.

00:00:48.000 Yeah, health.

00:00:50.000 I ate nothing but garbage over the last two days. 0.91

00:00:53.000 Just straight garbage. 0.54

00:00:54.000 And good food too. 0.93

00:00:55.000 They cook good for us there.

00:00:57.000 Yeah.

00:00:58.000 But I ate corn, no not cornflakes, raisin bran.

00:01:02.000 So sugary.

00:01:03.000 It was delicious. 0.98

00:01:04.000 Dude, you murdered the junk food.

00:01:08.000 I thought I was in a frat house there, the way you were going through Raisin Bran and Fritos.

00:01:17.000 I'm a mess.

00:01:18.000 No, I didn't have Fritos, but I had Lay's potato chips.

00:01:21.000 Like potato chips.

00:01:22.000 I did knock down...

00:01:23.000 I knocked down a pack of Cool Ranch Doritos.

00:01:26.000 They weren't how I remembered them when I was like 11 and those came out.

00:01:31.000 They were the greatest thing of all time.

00:01:32.000 They were.

00:01:33.000 I don't know.

00:01:34.000 Something happened to them.

00:01:35.000 You know what?

00:01:35.000 I think as you get older...

00:01:37.000 When you're a young kid and you eat something terrible for you, like a ding-dong or ring-ding, you know those things?

00:01:43.000 Yeah.

00:01:44.000 They feel so good when you're eating them.

00:01:46.000 They feel so good.

00:01:48.000 Like the idea that you could just take that white plastic wrapper, rip it open, and that chocolatey, delicious hockey puck with the cream inside of it was there. 0.97

00:01:56.000 Oh, you didn't give a fuck about your health. 0.97

00:01:58.000 You're like, I'm going to eat this thing right now. 0.99

00:02:01.000 And you get so excited.

00:02:02.000 But as you get older, and we talked about that this weekend...

00:02:06.000 You kind of recognize what's happening when you do something more.

00:02:10.000 Like you're more in tune with like what nutrients you're putting in your body and what their effect has on you.

00:02:15.000 Oh yeah.

00:02:16.000 Big time.

00:02:17.000 And you start to...

00:02:18.000 It's funny how your taste buds change.

00:02:20.000 I recently started liking onions and mushrooms and they were the only two things I did not like at all.

00:02:27.000 You remember when you were asking me about the morels and you couldn't believe that I didn't like morel mushrooms?

00:02:31.000 Yeah.

00:02:32.000 I actually had some mushrooms in some type of an oriental dish.

00:02:37.000 And all of a sudden I'm like, what the heck?

00:02:40.000 For the first time when I tasted a mushroom, it didn't just taste like mush.

00:02:44.000 It literally had a flavor.

00:02:46.000 So I've included them on my meals like if I'm at a steak restaurant or something.

00:02:51.000 And I genuinely are liking the taste of mushrooms now.

00:02:55.000 How weird.

00:02:56.000 Like your taste buds shifted.

00:02:57.000 Yeah.

00:02:57.000 I think it happens all the time.

00:02:59.000 Our boy, Harry, he just all of a sudden, out of nowhere, started really liking green peppers.

00:03:04.000 Whoa.

00:03:05.000 Out of nowhere.

00:03:07.000 It's a mystery.

00:03:08.000 It is a mystery.

00:03:09.000 I've always wondered, when people enjoy something that's really strange, like in Iceland, they have this really bizarre pickled shark that is supposed to be atrocious for everybody but people from Iceland.

00:03:25.000 Well, it sounds like pickled herring.

00:03:26.000 No, it's something way more intense.

00:03:28.000 It's supposed to be, like, really intense.

00:03:31.000 Like, it's a fermented shark.

00:03:33.000 It's like a fermented...

00:03:34.000 See if you can find it, Jamie.

00:03:36.000 It's supposed to be disgusting.

00:03:38.000 I mean, what do you think when you hear blood pudding?

00:03:40.000 Are you in or out?

00:03:41.000 Oh, I'm out.

00:03:42.000 See?

00:03:43.000 And there's people...

00:03:44.000 I've got friends in England that love blood pudding.

00:03:49.000 Well, I've eaten it over there.

00:03:51.000 In the sausages.

00:03:53.000 You know?

00:03:54.000 Like blood sausages.

00:03:55.000 I've had that.

00:03:56.000 They love it though.

00:03:57.000 We have Anthony Bourdain on eating Icelandic delicacy fermented shark never again.

00:04:03.000 So if Anthony Bourdain had...

00:04:04.000 If he had to go there to try that...

00:04:07.000 If he says never again, then it's never again.

00:04:10.000 Oh my god.

00:04:11.000 Did he?

00:04:11.000 It's interesting because people have shifted how they feel about sharks.

00:04:15.000 I like sharks.

00:04:15.000 I've had sharks.

00:04:15.000 I have as well.

00:04:16.000 I've had mako.

00:04:17.000 But people have shifted how they feel about it.

00:04:19.000 What is this? 0.87

00:04:20.000 Right up there with airplane food and Nambian warthog rectum, according to Steve's show. 0.98

00:04:27.000 He's hilarious.

00:04:29.000 That's so funny, man.

00:04:31.000 What a weird thing.

00:04:32.000 So they've figured out some way to make shark taste just disgusting, and they like it.

00:04:36.000 They really enjoy it.

00:04:37.000 If they want to claim it, we'll give them that. 1.00

00:04:39.000 I know, but what the fuck is going on in their head? 0.99

00:04:42.000 Like, I just would... 0.99

00:04:43.000 I would love to see...

00:04:44.000 Like, we assume that you taste things the same way I taste things.

00:04:47.000 That can't be the case.

00:04:49.000 Because I like things that people hate.

00:04:51.000 Like, I like certain hot foods that some people just despise. 0.92

00:04:54.000 Like, how the fuck do I know what they're experiencing? 0.93

00:04:57.000 I don't know. 0.96

00:04:57.000 It's very weird. 0.96

00:04:58.000 One time, Sharon and I were out to Fuddruckers, the hamburger place, and her mom was there.

00:05:04.000 And we were doing the machine, and Sharon's like, she was putting in the cherry part of cherry Coke, because you select your flavor.

00:05:13.000 She literally made this cherry Coke, and her mom's like, what was that?

00:05:17.000 And she goes, cherry Coke?

00:05:19.000 Have you never had cherry Coke?

00:05:20.000 She's like, Oh my god, that's disgusting. 1.00

00:05:22.000 While she says that, she didn't have her glasses on, she literally pushes cherry coke and she filled her cup with cherry coke.

00:05:29.000 So Sharon and I kind of just looked at each other and did this.

00:05:32.000 We went back and sat down and she was like, she went through her coke like that.

00:05:37.000 So she was just staring, she didn't know it was cherry coke?

00:05:40.000 No, when we were doing it, she asked because she saw the red, but when she did it, she didn't have her glasses, so she selected that one anyway.

00:05:49.000 So yeah, about halfway through the meal, she's like, oh, isn't that Coke just so good here?

00:05:54.000 Because she's from England. 0.87

00:05:55.000 And we said, yeah, it was cherry Coke.

00:05:57.000 But she was totally standoff because she couldn't mentally put together cherry and Coke because she had never tried it.

00:06:05.000 Maybe that's what it is.

00:06:06.000 When people say, oh, I hate venison.

00:06:08.000 Have they ever really had?

00:06:11.000 Venison or at least venison worth eating.

00:06:14.000 Most people probably haven't.

00:06:16.000 I think it's probably really hard to get someone to do it right.

00:06:19.000 It's not commercially available.

00:06:21.000 It's probably people have done it poorly, and then you get that weird prejudice that a lot of people have of it being gamey, quote-unquote gamey.

00:06:31.000 Yep.

00:06:32.000 So untrue.

00:06:33.000 We have a big Yeti out in the back of the vehicle loaded with very fresh, organic swine.

00:06:43.000 Yeah.

00:06:44.000 Yeah, wild pigs.

00:06:45.000 Wild pigs are...

00:06:46.000 It's one of the weird ones that people...

00:06:48.000 Some people are going to get upset if you hunt anything.

00:06:51.000 But if you hunt wild pigs...

00:06:53.000 Like, I have a very good friend who's an agent.

00:06:57.000 It's a very nice person.

00:06:58.000 And we were talking about hunting things.

00:07:01.000 She goes, dude, do you hunt pigs? 1.00

00:07:02.000 You can hunt pigs. 0.95

00:07:03.000 They're ugly. 0.91

00:07:04.000 Yeah.

00:07:04.000 And she loves animals.

00:07:06.000 She loves them. 1.00

00:07:07.000 But her immediate response was like, fuck those pigs. 1.00

00:07:10.000 It's weird. 1.00

00:07:11.000 It's weird.

00:07:12.000 Like that animal gets no...

00:07:14.000 It's so invasive and people recognize it for some reason.

00:07:18.000 Like the way you look at it.

00:07:19.000 I don't want to say that I don't have love for them.

00:07:22.000 I think it was cool even looking at them.

00:07:24.000 We saw a lot of cool ones.

00:07:25.000 They're brilliant too.

00:07:26.000 It's fascinating.

00:07:27.000 I mean, I was amazed at how smart they were.

00:07:30.000 It's fascinating.

00:07:31.000 Look at that.

00:07:31.000 Did you send them that picture?

00:07:32.000 I put that on Instagram.

00:07:35.000 Yeah, that's awesome.

00:07:36.000 I didn't even see that.

00:07:37.000 My cell phone didn't work out there. 0.96

00:07:39.000 So this is actually a female pig that you and Steve stalked in on. 1.00

00:07:46.000 I was filming right where I'm standing.

00:07:47.000 And you guys got so close and you could hear...

00:07:51.000 You could hear piglets kind of squeaking.

00:07:54.000 So you actually...

00:07:55.000 Didn't you stand up with your camera and take a picture of the nest and everything?

00:07:58.000 Yeah, I did.

00:08:00.000 And it stood up like 13 or 14 feet in front of us.

00:08:04.000 It was so close.

00:08:06.000 It was really close.

00:08:07.000 It was like, whoa.

00:08:08.000 You kept your cool.

00:08:09.000 Most people would lose it right there.

00:08:11.000 Because they...

00:08:12.000 I mean, you know the damage.

00:08:13.000 For those of you who are listening and don't know...

00:08:18.000 A wild boar is extremely dangerous if they want to be.

00:08:22.000 They're cutters on their bottom teeth because they pop their teeth and when they do it, they actually file.

00:08:28.000 That noise is them filing their cutters.

00:08:32.000 And have you ever felt the inside of a big boar's cutter?

00:08:35.000 I mean, it's literally like a knife, you know?

00:08:37.000 And when they come by, I mean, one little hit on the inside of your leg and that's...

00:08:44.000 Fatal, potentially.

00:08:46.000 It's a beast of an animal.

00:08:47.000 They're enormous.

00:08:48.000 What's really crazy is that they were brought here, a lot of it was by that William Randolph Hearst guy. 0.99

00:08:55.000 That kooky bastard. 1.00

00:08:57.000 That guy was so crazy! 1.00

00:08:59.000 The William Randolph Hearst guy, who is the guy that Citizen Kane is kind of based on, right?

00:09:05.000 Orson Welles' masterpiece, Citizen Kane.

00:09:08.000 Was based on this crazy guy who also coincidentally is the guy who campaigned to make weed illegal He was the guy that owned Hearst Publications and so he he had this idea in his head This is the story was that hemp they started to make paper out of hemp and he was threatened There was like a popular science magazine said hemp the new billion-dollar crop Because he owned like these fields of hemp,

00:09:36.000 or excuse me, these fields of trees that they used to make paper out of.

00:09:40.000 He owned paper mills, and he owned newspaper.

00:09:42.000 So apparently his fear was, in converting everything to paper, he would lose millions of dollars on all his traditional trees that they used for paper. 1.00

00:09:51.000 So he started printing stories about marijuana being this terrible thing, and that Mexicans and black men are raping white women, and people went, what the fuck is this possible? 0.99

00:10:01.000 We've got to stop this right now. 0.99

00:10:02.000 And so they made the prohibition on marijuana, and it happened directly as a result—that's the conspiracy theory—of him wanting to stop a competitor in the paper business. 0.99

00:10:15.000 So it's so hilarious that this one crazy fuck also brought over a bunch of wild boars and just let them run loose so he could shoot them. 1.00

00:10:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:24.000 Well, now Texas is—well, most of the South Central U.S. is just overrun with them. 1.00

00:10:30.000 People don't know, and it's like a giant rat.

00:10:34.000 It's like, I mean, I'm not thinking...

00:10:36.000 Probably worse.

00:10:37.000 Look, there's nothing wrong with...

00:10:38.000 We have categories and categorizations of animals.

00:10:43.000 Nobody minds if you kill a bug, but you get to a certain size thing.

00:10:47.000 Rat traps, okay, you've got to do what you've got to do. 1.00

00:10:49.000 You get bigger than a rat, and people go, hey, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

00:10:53.000 Right? 1.00

00:10:53.000 There's something weird. 1.00

00:10:54.000 You get to, like, pigs and people go, why are you killing pigs?

00:10:58.000 Well, it's funny what you said about coming into hunting, what their acceptance level was. 0.93

00:11:03.000 And it seems like, for sure, things that we perceive as, like, ugly pigs, like... 0.94

00:11:10.000 Turkeys look that way. 0.97

00:11:12.000 You know, their heads are kind of...

00:11:14.000 They don't look that cool when you look at them up close.

00:11:16.000 They have good color.

00:11:17.000 But anyway, it seems like turkeys and pigs, and even if you bowfish, those are like entry-level, I'm shooting something, that people...

00:11:28.000 That's kind of the segue, is turkeys or hogs. 0.99

00:11:32.000 Sharon, my wife is from England, had never hunted.

00:11:36.000 My boy had never hunted.

00:11:37.000 Their family had never been around hunting.

00:11:39.000 So when they came here, it was a whole new perspective of How many wild animals are one in society?

00:11:48.000 We almost hit several with our car when we lived in Wisconsin, and then they just started, you know, they would just destroy any hopes of a garden that we would have.

00:11:57.000 So Sharon started going out and filming me on some hunts, and one time we were on a hunt in Illinois, and this doe comes running in, her tongue's hanging out, Three bucks come behind her, and these bucks are like, she's literally trapped between three bucks,

00:12:14.000 and she's just wanting to get away.

00:12:17.000 Her tongue's hanging out.

00:12:18.000 She's not ready yet, but there's three horny bucks there, and she's just sitting there. 1.00

00:12:22.000 It's obvious they had been running most of the day.

00:12:24.000 And then two bucks started fighting.

00:12:27.000 One buck came in, kind of, you know, ended up kind of scooting her with his horns, and then they were just running and ragging, and Sharon's like... 0.98

00:12:35.000 Is that what the rut's like?

00:12:37.000 And I go, yeah, the males literally just run the females until they're, like, have no choice, but I have to breed right now.

00:12:45.000 And then it happens, and then they're, like, on to the next lady. 0.60

00:12:49.000 What a crazy process.

00:12:51.000 When she watched it, she said, so, she goes, if I were to get into deer hunting, because at that time the only thing she had shot was a turkey, and then she hunted a wild hog.

00:13:05.000 And she goes, so if I go hunting for deer and I decide to do it, she goes, I would only want a buck.

00:13:12.000 And I said, alright.

00:13:13.000 I was glad she had an open mind to it.

00:13:16.000 And she's like, I feel like I'd be helping a sister out.

00:13:21.000 She kind of said it in a funny way.

00:13:23.000 That's hilarious.

00:13:25.000 She goes, that is like your friend at the bar, and she went up to get two of you drinks, and now there's three dudes that will not leave you alone, and you can't get back to your normal life.

00:13:38.000 And she's like, I feel like I'd be helping a sister out.

00:13:40.000 I'm like, yep, that's what you'd be doing.

00:13:43.000 I don't think people who live in cities have any idea of how many deer there are now. 0.99

00:13:48.000 If they went through Iowa, like people who went through your area, they would be like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:13:54.000 It's like every mile or so you're seeing these packs of deer. 0.99

00:13:59.000 Well, how many just ones did you see on the side of the road that people had struck?

00:14:03.000 Yeah, quite a few.

00:14:04.000 You know, and not everyone is lucky enough to just hit a deer and that's it.

00:14:11.000 And you go to the repair shop and they fix your bumper.

00:14:14.000 Did I ever tell you about my dad?

00:14:16.000 No.

00:14:17.000 I didn't.

00:14:18.000 My dad spent many years going through orthodontics because he always wanted perfect teeth, but he never had like the right type of...

00:14:27.000 Oh, you did tell me this, yeah.

00:14:28.000 Never had the right type of like insurance and stuff to do it.

00:14:31.000 So finally we get later in life, he's in his right...

00:14:35.000 I think he started braces when he was like 35 and he finished at like 40. Wore the retainer for two years, like everything.

00:14:43.000 Next thing you know, he's driving down the road and he had a Honda Civic driving down the road.

00:14:50.000 A buck runs out in front of the road.

00:14:52.000 He hits it.

00:14:53.000 The body of the deer comes through the windshield into the passenger seat.

00:14:59.000 The horns came in and hit him right in the teeth.

00:15:02.000 So he's got like...

00:15:04.000 I don't know if it's two.

00:15:06.000 Every now and then he'll snag in front of me and pull the ones out.

00:15:10.000 But yeah, it was the worst thing because all he ever wanted was perfect teeth. 0.99

00:15:16.000 And as soon as he had them right there in his hand, this crazy buck decides to commit suicide and jump through the window of his Honda. 0.98

00:15:24.000 But the reality is, that's what it's like. 0.99

00:15:27.000 I forget the numbers.

00:15:28.000 I was working on a...

00:15:30.000 A book to try to introduce some people in Europe to bow hunting.

00:15:37.000 I wasn't trying to get it necessarily legalized.

00:15:41.000 I was just trying to give information on why hunting in the U.S., Is something that people at least need to keep an open mind to on why it's necessary.

00:15:52.000 And I was trying to write a book and granted, for those of you who are listening, who aren't familiar with Joe and I, our relationship, I shot competitively for a long time.

00:16:03.000 I shot with the US archery team.

00:16:05.000 I did a lot, a lot of miles throughout all of Europe, so a lot of my friends were really sensitive to the fact that I was also a hunter.

00:16:15.000 And then obviously I met my wife on a plane to France.

00:16:19.000 All of our family there is obviously from Europe.

00:16:22.000 So this is a subject to where I've tried to, you know, explain it the way that I'm explaining this now.

00:16:29.000 And, you know, there's such a difference between areas that really need that as part of...

00:16:37.000 I mean, it is population control.

00:16:39.000 Look at how many...

00:16:40.000 We were gone...

00:16:43.000 We were probably hunting, what, 16 full hours?

00:16:46.000 Yeah.

00:16:47.000 And how many hogs do you think we saw, including the little ones, which will all be breeding within six months, right? 0.98

00:16:52.000 Every baby we saw right now can be breeding in six months?

00:16:57.000 Is that right?

00:16:57.000 Yeah, six months.

00:16:59.000 They can do it twice a year, right?

00:17:01.000 So we saw at least...

00:17:04.000 We saw that one sow that you stalked on. 0.92

00:17:06.000 She had maybe eight, right?

00:17:08.000 Little guys.

00:17:09.000 And then when we went out at dark that time, how many...

00:17:12.000 We saw a ton of them.

00:17:13.000 Oh my gosh.

00:17:14.000 We saw a ton of them.

00:17:14.000 Let's just say we saw 30. Yeah.

00:17:17.000 Total.

00:17:18.000 At least.

00:17:19.000 So within 60 days, any of those, or six months, any of those females will be able to breed and then they're having six to eight to ten.

00:17:27.000 It's a weird animal, man.

00:17:29.000 It's a weird animal.

00:17:30.000 It doesn't seem like it belongs there.

00:17:31.000 It's really strange.

00:17:33.000 Like, because it's an invasive species, you see how it's unbalanced.

00:17:37.000 They just make babies and go, and make babies and go, and you gotta, whoa, they gotta, like, the Dihon Ranch keeps a rap on it. 0.80

00:17:44.000 Yeah.

00:17:44.000 But some places where they get away from, like, a ranch environment, which is kind of ironic, Because, like, in some places like San Jose, which have never had a problem with wildlife at all, other than the occasional deer, they're getting wild pigs.

00:17:58.000 Yeah.

00:17:59.000 And once they get in, man, woo! 1.00

00:18:01.000 You got giant fucking... 1.00

00:18:05.000 Animals. 1.00

00:18:06.000 I mean, it's a totally different kind of...

00:18:07.000 It's not like a squirrel.

00:18:08.000 It's this big-ass animal, and it's running around eating people's yards. 0.91

00:18:12.000 Well, when they were brought here, people had them on their farm to have a continual replenishment of food. 0.95

00:18:18.000 It's not like they were growing them to say, we want to have this massive pig farm.

00:18:22.000 They were growing them as that, you know, pigs were great because you could eat on them continually throughout the whole year, right?

00:18:29.000 And they continually reproduce.

00:18:30.000 But once they go out into the wild and there isn't a family that's utilizing that, you know, small batch of hogs or chickens or whatever it is, then they just go crazy.

00:18:41.000 Yeah, really crazy.

00:18:42.000 What a bizarre animal to invade into an ecosystem. 0.99

00:18:48.000 A pig. 0.83

00:18:49.000 They're just so powerful. 0.99

00:18:51.000 We look at them in a weird way.

00:18:54.000 You know, they have like that bad reputation. 0.96

00:18:57.000 Because, you know, when someone calls someone a pig, like if you call a person a pig, it's like one of the worst things you can say to a person. 0.98

00:19:03.000 It is. 0.96

00:19:03.000 I thought of it that way. 0.96

00:19:05.000 I mean, if you call someone a monkey, dudes will say, yep, I'm the fucking dumb monkey. 1.00

00:19:09.000 That's me. 1.00

00:19:10.000 I'd say that.

00:19:12.000 You know, if you called someone a gazelle, they'd be psyched, right?

00:19:16.000 I would. 0.90

00:19:17.000 Dude, you are a gazelle. 0.79

00:19:18.000 They'd be like, yeah, you think?

00:19:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.91

00:19:20.000 You're an animal that gets jacked by lions. 0.98

00:19:23.000 What would I be? 0.85

00:19:24.000 What's my animal?

00:19:25.000 If you were going to Avatar, what's my animal?

00:19:27.000 You'd probably be some sort of primate, some large primate, like maybe an orangutan, something along those lines.

00:19:33.000 Really?

00:19:34.000 Did you ever see that movie? 1.00

00:19:35.000 Which was the stupid movie where... 1.00

00:19:37.000 They're overweight. 1.00

00:19:38.000 They kind of just sit there.

00:19:39.000 It's one of my favorite kettlebells, that orangutan.

00:19:41.000 I love that guy.

00:19:42.000 He's got a good face.

00:19:44.000 Yeah, he does. 1.00

00:19:45.000 Seems like out of all the primates, that's the one that would fuck with you the least. 0.99

00:19:49.000 You'd be like, what's up, dude? 0.99

00:19:50.000 How you doing?

00:19:51.000 I guess if I was the big guy, that was actually just kind of soft.

00:19:54.000 Which one would freak you out the most of primates?

00:19:57.000 Well, I was going to give you a silverback, but now that you say that, I would say if I had to fear one thing of the primates, I don't know. 0.98

00:20:06.000 It could be like a freaking... 0.77

00:20:07.000 If baboons were bigger...

00:20:10.000 They could be pretty...

00:20:11.000 I mean, if a baboon brain and temperament was in a silverback... 1.00

00:20:15.000 Holy crap. 1.00

00:20:17.000 That would be a monster. 0.99

00:20:18.000 We had this discussion if, like, some of these animals that are just...

00:20:23.000 This is what's weird.

00:20:24.000 People think we don't like animals because we shoot them.

00:20:27.000 We actually appreciate them more.

00:20:28.000 Like, I really think about...

00:20:30.000 I have so much respect for grizzlies, you know, and brown bears, and then I see something like a silverback and the strength of those things, and I think...

00:20:39.000 If this was a society where everything fought for its turf and those two met, I mean...

00:20:46.000 What's interesting is there used to be bigger and bigger animals than them.

00:20:53.000 And they died off.

00:20:55.000 Yeah, what we can relate to.

00:20:56.000 The dinosaur thing would have been...

00:20:59.000 That would have been so cool.

00:21:00.000 What about the short-faced bear?

00:21:01.000 You ever hear about that thing?

00:21:02.000 Uh-uh.

00:21:03.000 I haven't seen that.

00:21:04.000 The short-faced bear was this enormous bear that lived in North America. 0.99

00:21:07.000 Apparently it was fucking huge. 0.99

00:21:08.000 Bigger than a polar bear. 1.00

00:21:10.000 Ferocious predator.

00:21:11.000 Died out somewhere around, I think they think 10,000 plus years ago. 0.99

00:21:16.000 Which ain't shit, you know? 0.98

00:21:17.000 That's not that long ago. 0.98

00:21:19.000 Am I right about that or is it 100,000 years?

00:21:20.000 Might be 100,000 years.

00:21:22.000 How big was that thing?

00:21:23.000 Jesus, it looks like a cat face.

00:21:25.000 Yeah, it was an enormous, enormous bear.

00:21:27.000 But do they know that's the face?

00:21:29.000 Yeah, no, it's the bones.

00:21:30.000 This is what we think about.

00:21:31.000 No, it's the skull.

00:21:32.000 It had a totally different face.

00:21:34.000 That's the size of it?

00:21:35.000 Yeah.

00:21:36.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:21:37.000 So would they not know that was a polar bear?

00:21:41.000 Well, short-faced bear has a different skull.

00:21:43.000 That's what it looks like.

00:21:44.000 But it was bigger than a polar bear.

00:21:46.000 It's like the biggest bear ever, by far. 0.99

00:21:48.000 They were fucking huge. 0.99

00:21:50.000 But that's my point. 1.00

00:21:51.000 It's like, shit can just keep getting bigger and bigger. 1.00

00:21:54.000 It competes. 1.00

00:21:55.000 And then look at people.

00:21:56.000 People are bigger now than they've ever been before. 0.99

00:21:58.000 Throw a lion mane on that sucker? 0.99

00:22:00.000 Yeah, dude. 1.00

00:22:01.000 You have something.

00:22:01.000 Look at that.

00:22:02.000 That looks like the predator.

00:22:04.000 Look at the face on that thing.

00:22:05.000 That's an enormous super bear.

00:22:08.000 That's right out of Avatar. 1.00

00:22:09.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:22:11.000 What's the biggest wolf? 1.00

00:22:13.000 Do they have like a wolf we haven't heard of?

00:22:15.000 Dire wolves?

00:22:16.000 Weren't they the biggest?

00:22:17.000 That thing, that short-faced bear, there's this guy named Dan Flores, and he believes that that short-faced bear, and apparently a bunch of other people that studied the migration of people into North America, they believe that short-faced bear might have been one of the barriers.

00:22:33.000 And it was so ferocious and so fierce. 0.99

00:22:35.000 Could you imagine if you were a dude and his family and you're walking from Asia to the United States and you see one of those motherfucker of motherfucker bears? 1.00

00:22:48.000 You'd be like, what in the fuck am I doing here? 1.00

00:22:52.000 An enormous bear. 0.99

00:22:53.000 So that's what you're saying for the border?

00:22:55.000 That's what we need.

00:22:56.000 Everywhere.

00:22:58.000 Cages.

00:22:59.000 Keep to ourselves. 0.59

00:23:00.000 Guard the borders with giant wolf dogs.

00:23:02.000 Oh my gosh.

00:23:03.000 That thing, it's so much bigger than a polar boy. 0.92

00:23:06.000 Are you a vampire or a werewolf?

00:23:08.000 If I was an underworld? 0.95

00:23:11.000 It's a good call.

00:23:11.000 Vampires are vampires 24-7.

00:23:13.000 See, werewolves have to become werewolves, and then they have to go back.

00:23:16.000 Leaves you vulnerable.

00:23:18.000 Somebody jacks you when you're not a werewolf. 1.00

00:23:20.000 It's like you're a bully for a couple nights out of the month, and the rest of the month you're a pussy. 1.00

00:23:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:23:26.000 Right?

00:23:26.000 That's really what the werewolf is.

00:23:28.000 There's a lot of people like that.

00:23:32.000 And a werewolf would be a really weird one if it was real.

00:23:35.000 Can you imagine if we had to find out who the werewolves were and you have to make an ethical choice to kill him when he was a person?

00:23:40.000 Or do you lock him up for a couple days a year because it's not his fault?

00:23:45.000 I don't know.

00:23:45.000 A vampire would be pretty cool, I guess.

00:23:48.000 They say that mathematically it's not possible.

00:23:51.000 If vampires couldn't exist because there'd be no people left.

00:23:54.000 Yeah.

00:23:54.000 Within a certain amount of time, there'd be no people.

00:23:56.000 Well, that's a very logical way to put it.

00:23:59.000 Yeah.

00:23:59.000 It makes a ton of sense.

00:24:01.000 Because you would infect someone.

00:24:02.000 See, you and I would like it.

00:24:03.000 And they would infect someone else.

00:24:04.000 You and I would like it because the older we get, the more we really realize what makes us happy and what we like to do.

00:24:10.000 So imagine if right now you knew, dude, I'm 50, but who cares?

00:24:17.000 Yeah.

00:24:17.000 Who cares?

00:24:18.000 I know exactly what I want to do.

00:24:20.000 We could all be like a thousand.

00:24:22.000 JRE's still happening.

00:24:24.000 Because you're just endless now.

00:24:26.000 Know what I mean?

00:24:27.000 I definitely don't know what you mean.

00:24:30.000 I lost you somewhere in the middle of that.

00:24:32.000 No, you were just saying mathematically for years that you would live.

00:24:36.000 I'm just saying, for you and I, we enjoy our life.

00:24:39.000 For some people that I know that don't enjoy their life, that would be a nightmare.

00:24:43.000 The fact that they had to keep going and keep going.

00:24:46.000 I'd be pretty pumped.

00:24:48.000 I think the thing about vampires that wouldn't work is mathematically if you're a vampire and you bite Jamie.

00:24:53.000 Jamie becomes a vampire and he bites somebody else and you have to bite like a person a day. 1.00

00:24:59.000 Whereas the werewolf, it's only a couple nights a week where you're an asshole. 1.00

00:25:03.000 Like if there was like a cage and you're like, I feel it coming on. 1.00

00:25:06.000 Like, you know, if a woman was like, oh my god, I know my period's coming. 0.96

00:25:09.000 The guy would be like, we're getting really close to the full moon.

00:25:12.000 I'm gonna go check myself in. 0.87

00:25:13.000 You check yourself in, one of those big-ass steel cages, and then you turn into a werewolf for a couple of days. 0.99

00:25:18.000 You chill out. 0.92

00:25:20.000 You could.

00:25:21.000 And maybe if you don't, like, if you're locked up in a cage, maybe it's like fasting.

00:25:25.000 You know, when you're fasting, your body sort of starts burning fat, you lose your appetite, you calm everything down.

00:25:31.000 Maybe that's what it's doing.

00:25:32.000 I've been doing that.

00:25:33.000 We can do that with werewolves.

00:25:34.000 I've been doing that, not to change subject.

00:25:36.000 We can talk werewolves more.

00:25:39.000 Pull up that Irish elk, Jamie. 0.78

00:25:41.000 Remember when I told you about that thing?

00:25:43.000 That thing's cool, too.

00:25:44.000 I wish that was back.

00:25:46.000 That's a crazy-looking animal.

00:25:47.000 I mean, the short-faced bear... 1.00

00:25:49.000 Fuck that short-faced bear. 1.00

00:25:50.000 That thing scares the shit out of me. 1.00

00:25:53.000 That thing scares the shit out of me. 0.95

00:25:54.000 I don't think people understand how big it is. 0.92

00:25:56.000 It's so much bigger than a polar bear.

00:25:58.000 It's essentially a real monster.

00:26:01.000 A real live monster.

00:26:02.000 And was most likely ferociously carnivorous.

00:26:07.000 If that thing was still alive right now and out in random parts of the wilderness, would you hunt?

00:26:13.000 An Irish elk?

00:26:14.000 No, no.

00:26:14.000 I'm still talking about the short-faced bear.

00:26:17.000 No, I wouldn't be in the woods.

00:26:18.000 No. 1.00

00:26:19.000 No fucking way, man. 1.00

00:26:22.000 I have a hard enough time with wild pigs, dude. 1.00

00:26:25.000 I'm freaking out.

00:26:26.000 What are you doing?

00:26:26.000 I'm freaking out.

00:26:27.000 There's no way.

00:26:28.000 I'm just thinking.

00:26:29.000 If I was a kid and I went through the woods with my buddies and we encountered a short-faced bear and ate one of my friends, just right in front of you, you'd be like, that's a monster!

00:26:43.000 Yeah, well, it would be, for sure.

00:26:45.000 I'm just saying, I know that when you and I talked about Hawaii, I said, I would love to learn to surf from Shane Dorian.

00:26:53.000 And you said, I'm not surfing because of the sharks.

00:26:56.000 It's monster soup.

00:26:58.000 It's the same.

00:26:59.000 It is the same.

00:27:00.000 It's monster soup out there. 1.00

00:27:01.000 They can go fuck themselves. 1.00

00:27:02.000 Those people are crazy. 1.00

00:27:03.000 All you people. 1.00

00:27:04.000 So you wouldn't hunt if there were short-faced bears. 1.00

00:27:07.000 Fuck them! 1.00

00:27:08.000 I'm freaking out by pigs, man. 1.00

00:27:10.000 I can't believe how close we got to those pigs. 0.99

00:27:12.000 Some rogue and experienced follower that's a genetic specialist is probably going to construct one of those suckers just so you don't hunt anymore. 0.83

00:27:20.000 I don't think it'll work that way.

00:27:23.000 They're really wasting their energy if they put it towards that.

00:27:26.000 There's certain animals, though, that have to freak you out.

00:27:29.000 You have to respect them.

00:27:30.000 You know, we were talking about all the different encounters that people have had where they were bluff-charged by grizzlies.

00:27:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:36.000 We were talking about that this weekend.

00:27:38.000 Yep.

00:27:39.000 And Steve Rinella, my good friend and the host of the amazing podcast Meat Eater and television show Meat Eater, they were on this hunt, and they got charged by these grizzlies.

00:27:51.000 It's a mama bear and her cubs.

00:27:54.000 And it's a full-on charge.

00:27:56.000 And this thing is big.

00:27:58.000 I mean, I don't know how big.

00:27:59.000 Is it 400, 500 pounds?

00:28:01.000 Oh, they're bigger than that.

00:28:02.000 How big was it?

00:28:03.000 Was it a brown bear or a mountain grizzly?

00:28:06.000 It was a grizzly.

00:28:07.000 Like mountain grizzly?

00:28:08.000 Yeah, inland.

00:28:09.000 Yeah, it could have been 600 maybe.

00:28:11.000 Whatever it was, it was so big.

00:28:13.000 It was so big and it was covering ground so fast.

00:28:16.000 Oh yeah.

00:28:17.000 Like when you see them run and you realize how big they are and how fast they move.

00:28:20.000 Do you know how fast they are?

00:28:21.000 From like zero to their top speed?

00:28:23.000 They're almost equal to a dirt bike.

00:28:27.000 I think they can run 40. Oh my god.

00:28:32.000 They can go, like, their torque ratio is very fast.

00:28:37.000 So if they're running, they're gonna catch you.

00:28:40.000 Oh my god.

00:28:42.000 I think if one was within 20 yards and then started, like, with full intent to come, I think you would think about turning and you would get maybe two strides.

00:28:54.000 And that thing's giving you the Leonardo DiCaprio. 0.99

00:28:57.000 Goddamn. 0.99

00:28:58.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:29:00.000 Yeah, look up that.

00:29:01.000 What is the speed of those things?

00:29:03.000 You know, Adam Greentree, he encountered one when he was in Montana.

00:29:07.000 He had shot an elk, and he was packing the elk out by himself.

00:29:10.000 He was deep in the backcountry by himself.

00:29:12.000 Yeah, that was a vicious hunt.

00:29:13.000 I think he was 12 plus miles in, right?

00:29:15.000 Something like that?

00:29:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:16.000 Hats off, Adam.

00:29:18.000 Adam's an animal.

00:29:19.000 So he goes in there, he shoots this elk.

00:29:21.000 Dude, I was wrong.

00:29:23.000 45. Oh, it's even faster!

00:29:26.000 It's even faster.

00:29:28.000 What's like speed?

00:29:29.000 That's speeding on the residential street.

00:29:31.000 Yeah, you couldn't go through a school zone on a grizzly.

00:29:35.000 Go zero to 45 times.

00:29:37.000 So Adam's packing this grizzly, excuse me, packing this elk out that he shot by himself.

00:29:42.000 I mean, he went in there with an archery.

00:29:46.000 It was in an over-the-counter unit.

00:29:48.000 It was in like 12 miles into public land.

00:29:52.000 They packed it out himself, which if you know the numbers, it's got to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 pounds of meat.

00:30:01.000 Right?

00:30:02.000 Well, depending on if he deboned it or not.

00:30:04.000 Yeah, it would be days.

00:30:05.000 He had that other, his friend of his, it works for Trophy Taker, right?

00:30:09.000 Yeah, Grant.

00:30:10.000 Grant.

00:30:11.000 And he helped him carry it out after a while, too.

00:30:14.000 Actually, I had just left Montana.

00:30:17.000 I went to Montana and hunted Eastern Montana for muleys, but for my elk tag, it was only in a general unit, so I had to come back.

00:30:25.000 I literally left Montana and drove home to see Sharon for two days to then drive back.

00:30:31.000 And when I was driving home, I was following Adam's Instagram story of him packing that sucker.

00:30:37.000 If I didn't have a wife at home, I was this close to just texting him and saying, where are you, dude?

00:30:46.000 Because I was going to come help him out.

00:30:49.000 Well, he could definitely get people to do that for him.

00:30:51.000 That'd be a cool thing, too.

00:30:53.000 People would love to go meet Adam Greentree and help him pack out.

00:30:56.000 That's one of the cool things about hunting is how many really considerate, really friendly, helpful people are hunters.

00:31:04.000 We met one this weekend.

00:31:06.000 Yeah, we did.

00:31:06.000 We were there and a guy had a membership out there and had his camper there, totally kept to himself.

00:31:11.000 And on his last day when he was coming out, he saw us and he's like, hey dudes, I've been on this really cool big red boar that I saw and, you know, literally told us like, go up here, turn here, go here.

00:31:24.000 I haven't been able to get on him.

00:31:25.000 I mean, the guy was like genuinely helpful to another hunter and, you know, that...

00:31:31.000 100% is what we need in society really.

00:31:34.000 We need everyone to just like help one another out when it's possible.

00:31:37.000 I mean you're gonna have pettiness in every single group of humans, but I think overall the tone that I've experienced from people that are involved in hunting Very helpful, very respectful.

00:31:47.000 Sounds crazy to those people.

00:31:49.000 But I think that they have, by being in nature and experiencing these life and death moments in nature, I think it addresses a certain part of them and their place in the food chain that almost like calms an internal aspect of people that are involved in it.

00:32:06.000 Because the real struggle, the life and death struggle of consuming meat, Is undeniable.

00:32:13.000 Yeah.

00:32:14.000 In terms of, like, what it means.

00:32:16.000 Like, this is what it means.

00:32:16.000 The animal has to die, you have to cut it up, you cook it, eat it.

00:32:19.000 That's the problem.

00:32:19.000 It's not going to the restaurant and I don't know what happened.

00:32:22.000 You can't, I can't, I don't know what happened.

00:32:24.000 That I don't know what happened is the problem.

00:32:26.000 It's not the hunting that's the problem.

00:32:28.000 It's that 95% of the people, 95, that's a big number, are eating meat.

00:32:33.000 Mm-hmm.

00:32:34.000 But what percentage of them have ever even seen it happen?

00:32:36.000 What percentage of them have done it themselves?

00:32:39.000 You don't have to.

00:32:40.000 You definitely don't have to.

00:32:41.000 I'm not passing any judgment on people.

00:32:44.000 No.

00:32:45.000 I definitely am not.

00:32:46.000 I have in the past.

00:32:47.000 Let me ask you this.

00:32:48.000 But I'm not right now.

00:32:49.000 This is one thing I thought about the other day.

00:32:52.000 How many people have gone, they've ordered something like that, and then they don't eat it all, so they throw it in the trash can?

00:33:01.000 Yeah, that happens.

00:33:03.000 But doing what you or I do, do you look at that differently?

00:33:07.000 It's definitely different.

00:33:08.000 Like, if you cooked an elk roast, which, I mean, it's not even fair that I'm bringing this up because we did it the first night I came in, but if you cooked an elk roast and you didn't eat it all, would you dump that into the trash?

00:33:21.000 No.

00:33:22.000 No, I eat it.

00:33:23.000 And what I also don't eat, I feed to my chickens.

00:33:26.000 And people go, like, someone said this to me, like, yeah, you think that's natural, man?

00:33:30.000 A chicken eating an elk?

00:33:31.000 I'm like, I'm telling you, it's just meat. 1.00

00:33:34.000 Your chicken is a goddamn murdering motherfucker, and you need to come off it. 1.00

00:33:40.000 Your chicken is more ruthless and more murderous than any cat you've ever met. 1.00

00:33:43.000 They are goddamn dinosaurs. 1.00

00:33:45.000 Well, didn't they say Velociraptor's technically a dinosaur chicken? 1.00

00:33:49.000 Yes!

00:33:49.000 Right?

00:33:50.000 And somehow or another, like an ancient Australopithecus is a human of today, like that chain of progress, yeah.

00:33:58.000 Somehow or another, a dinosaur became a chicken.

00:34:01.000 Some kind of little raptor. 1.00

00:34:02.000 They are fucking ruthless, man. 0.99

00:34:06.000 I've met some people that must have definitely been T-Rex. 1.00

00:34:08.000 I've got a couple friends where...

00:34:11.000 They're so pumped how much more they can bench, but when they're doing it about four inches, I'm like, what is up, dude?

00:34:17.000 How long are your arms?

00:34:18.000 People love to do more impressive numbers incorrectly.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, very true.

00:34:25.000 That's one of the things that gets people hurt more than anything, lifting weights. 0.98

00:34:28.000 Like, I remember one time this guy emasculated me in the gym in Phoenix, some giant fucking football player dude. 1.00

00:34:35.000 You know, he'd met me like, hey man, big fan, you know, I love your stuff on the UFC, you really know your shit. 0.98

00:34:40.000 Oh, thanks dude, thank you very much. 0.98

00:34:42.000 And this dude is over there, like, just doing stacks, just stacks, squats, and he's just a fucking Herculean, like, 300-pound man.

00:34:51.000 And I'm over there doing a kettlebell workout with 35 pounds. 1.00

00:34:55.000 Like a bitch! 1.00

00:34:57.000 I was doing 35-pound windmills. 1.00

00:34:59.000 I was doing, like, these slow-moving kettlebells.

00:35:01.000 But I'm like, look, man, I know this is not the same thing as what you're doing, but you don't do this either, do you?

00:35:08.000 Yeah.

00:35:08.000 Like, doing, like, slow stuff with lightweights, controlled stuff is good for your body, too.

00:35:14.000 It's like, guys get it in their head. 0.97

00:35:16.000 They gotta be fucking, I'm benching 950, bro! 0.99

00:35:20.000 But when you're doing this, like, you can't move. 0.99

00:35:23.000 You gotta, your body's gotta move.

00:35:25.000 I'm all about free range.

00:35:26.000 The best thing I did was went down, on your recommendation, I flew down to the Onnit Academy and met all those guys and spent, I think, two days in there.

00:35:37.000 And just said, I want to do everything.

00:35:38.000 Show me the maze, show me kettlebells, you know, I did some stuff on rings, did some stuff on bungee straps, and it's all, I mean, and you see people that have conditioned, they've worked out that way, and something real simple, and then you have someone that's,

00:35:55.000 you know, I'm 6'5", 230, 220, probably 230 after hunting camp.

00:36:03.000 And they're doing these simple movements to where you just feel like a wussy.

00:36:06.000 There's people that structurally and core-wise are so sound and actually movable muscle and usable muscle.

00:36:16.000 It's totally different than only...

00:36:20.000 Only certain types of weights that most people do.

00:36:23.000 When I met Frank Zane years ago and I went and trained with him on my weight training, specifically on free weights, I felt like I had wasted...

00:36:33.000 I think I met him...

00:36:36.000 Maybe in my late 20s.

00:36:38.000 And at that point, I'd been working out maybe 15 years.

00:36:41.000 And I told him, I said, I feel like I've wasted 15 years of, like, really trying to improve myself.

00:36:48.000 But I realize now how inefficient I was.

00:36:51.000 And then when I've started to learn some of these movements that are about, you know, real body usage strength...

00:37:00.000 I feel the same way.

00:37:02.000 I'm like, I wish when I was in high school, my football coach would have been having people do windmills.

00:37:07.000 Because they're talking about how, you know, you go to wrestling practice, everyone's talking about how important it is to be solid.

00:37:13.000 But everything was like bench, squat, deadlift.

00:37:17.000 I mean, things like what we just talked about with a windmill, it's totally different.

00:37:21.000 I think bench squat deadlift is still the kings, but I just think that people get a little bit...

00:37:26.000 It is the kings for total mass, right?

00:37:28.000 People get a little caught up in the numbers, and to the point where they're willing to ignore the form, and I think that's where a lot of people get hurt. 0.88

00:37:36.000 It's like a real problem with people being a little bit too macho, and I've fucking absolutely been guilty of that.

00:37:43.000 Where I was lifting way too much weight. 0.79

00:37:44.000 Just like, cause I can, bro!

00:37:46.000 Cause I can do it, bro!

00:37:48.000 I tried to max out on 135 once.

00:37:51.000 135?

00:37:51.000 What do you mean?

00:37:52.000 For bench.

00:37:53.000 Oh, like as many times as you can?

00:37:54.000 No, I tried to get it once.

00:37:56.000 I didn't get it.

00:37:56.000 Oh.

00:37:57.000 Is that a joke?

00:37:58.000 I got confused.

00:38:01.000 Sorry.

00:38:01.000 I don't joke around with you enough.

00:38:03.000 You actually took me serious.

00:38:04.000 I definitely did.

00:38:04.000 That might be a problem.

00:38:05.000 No. 0.95

00:38:06.000 I need to screw around with you more.

00:38:07.000 I saw Brock Lesnar's, you ever seen his, you know, the times they do when they're trying out for football. 1.00

00:38:15.000 What's that shit called again? 0.99

00:38:16.000 The combine? 1.00

00:38:16.000 Yes, the combine scores. 1.00

00:38:17.000 They had Brock Lesnar versus Shane Carr when it was like a big heavyweight fight because it was two super powerful, really dangerous wrestlers.

00:38:25.000 When you look at the combine scores, you realize what a freak Brock Lesnar is.

00:38:29.000 Well, I saw him ringside with you.

00:38:31.000 Oh, he's a freak. 0.98

00:38:32.000 He's a freak. 0.99

00:38:33.000 It's a straight Viking DNA from the motherland. 0.94

00:38:38.000 If I was a little guy coming from Asia with my whole family and I had to walk up to that dude, I would think the same thing as a short-faced bear.

00:38:45.000 I'd be like, wait, I have to go by that flat top?

00:38:50.000 And those frickin' traps?

00:38:52.000 I have to go by that? 0.95

00:38:54.000 Screw that.

00:38:55.000 Let's go back and get some sushi, dudes. 1.00

00:38:57.000 If that thing pulls up in a boat, you fucked up, right? 0.97

00:39:02.000 You're in the wrong place. 1.00

00:39:04.000 Imagine that, being in war, and a Viking ship comes up, and like 300 of those suckers come off. 0.99

00:39:10.000 300 Brock Lesnar's jump off the boat. 1.00

00:39:12.000 Fuck this life. 1.00

00:39:14.000 It's been real. 1.00

00:39:15.000 I'd be ripping my undies off holding up a white flag real fast. 0.82

00:39:19.000 It's kind of what we're talking about though.

00:39:21.000 We're talking about the short-faced bear.

00:39:23.000 There's like levels of these animals.

00:39:25.000 There's levels of all these animals.

00:39:27.000 And they reach a state of balance.

00:39:30.000 And one of the weird things that I experienced this weekend and I've experienced before while wild pig hunting is it's almost like you see something that other people are not seeing.

00:39:41.000 It's like, where you look at it, you go, hey, this could be a giant problem.

00:39:47.000 This could be a giant problem.

00:39:50.000 And it's also, like, you don't have to go to the grocery store to get pork.

00:39:54.000 Like, in fact, that's probably not the best way to do it.

00:39:57.000 What we really should do is stop doing that and go shoot those legal ones. 0.62

00:40:02.000 You know, I mean, in California, there's not even a limit. 0.96

00:40:05.000 That would be a great way to do it.

00:40:06.000 They don't have a limit in California.

00:40:07.000 All the hog farmers are like, you know.

00:40:11.000 What?

00:40:12.000 Yeah.

00:40:13.000 Well, I know.

00:40:13.000 But seriously, though, why don't we do that?

00:40:17.000 I wonder if we have like a food bank or something to where, you know, if we're out for the places giving food to the homeless, why aren't we out doing some aporkalypses?

00:40:28.000 And bringing in some serious pork chops for people.

00:40:32.000 Get Chad out there from Whiskey Bent BBQ. Get him doing some pulled pork butts at the homeless shelters.

00:40:38.000 That would be ridiculous.

00:40:39.000 Traeger would sponsor that. 0.56

00:40:40.000 People would go homeless just to eat there.

00:40:42.000 I would.

00:40:43.000 Yeah, but I don't think you're allowed to use wild animals.

00:40:47.000 Oh, that is...

00:40:47.000 Because...

00:40:48.000 No?

00:40:48.000 I think it has to do...

00:40:49.000 Nope.

00:40:49.000 No?

00:40:50.000 You can in some places?

00:40:51.000 Because in Iowa, we have a really good program called Hush.

00:40:54.000 No, no, that's not what you mean.

00:40:55.000 I don't mean like donation.

00:40:57.000 I mean like selling it.

00:40:58.000 Like if you wanted to like sell it, like one of the things about wild game, like wild pork.

00:41:02.000 No, I think you can commercialize.

00:41:03.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:41:05.000 I don't know.

00:41:05.000 Can you commercialize the wild ones?

00:41:06.000 There's commercial people now doing, because I know when we were in Indianapolis, I cooked elk tacos in the Easton booth.

00:41:18.000 But we had to actually get a licensed FDA elk farmer to provide the meat.

00:41:25.000 I couldn't bring...

00:41:27.000 So that is the disconnect.

00:41:29.000 Right.

00:41:29.000 If you raise it, but then again you're like raising a wild hog in a...

00:41:34.000 It's not the same.

00:41:35.000 No, it won't be wild anymore.

00:41:36.000 The conditions aren't even near the same.

00:41:38.000 Well, you know, the one guy who's got it down is Joel Salatin.

00:41:42.000 Have you ever heard of that guy?

00:41:43.000 He's got an organization called Polyface Farms.

00:41:47.000 And I had him on the podcast.

00:41:49.000 He's fascinating.

00:41:50.000 Because he's a real old-school farmer, but really smart.

00:41:53.000 And what he realized somewhere along the line is that these animals are only happy when they're living like animals, and you get better product from them.

00:42:00.000 You get better food.

00:42:01.000 It's healthier.

00:42:02.000 So he takes these pigs, and he has this traveling fence.

00:42:06.000 So he puts a fence up, and he makes it really big. 0.99

00:42:09.000 And then they fuck everything up on this one side of the fence, and then he moves the fence.

00:42:13.000 Like having goats or chickens or whatever. 0.86

00:42:15.000 He has just an enormous fence.

00:42:17.000 You continually give them a good, a fresh ecosystem.

00:42:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:20.000 And it also recycles all the ground.

00:42:22.000 You're going to grow better grass everywhere they took a dump.

00:42:26.000 So he does that with his chickens, too. 0.87

00:42:27.000 He has this gigantic mobile chicken unit, and he pushes this thing around, and he lets these chickens out, and they all run around, and they do chicken shit, and they go back up into their little houses when it gets dark out. 0.89

00:42:37.000 They know where their house is. 0.89

00:42:38.000 So he moves them around, too.

00:42:40.000 It's really, really interesting, man, because it's less of a disconnect, and some people are uncomfortable with there being less of a disconnect.

00:42:50.000 Some people like to just get a chicken sandwich. 0.95

00:42:52.000 I don't know how the fuck you got in that sandwich, but thanks, dude, here's your five bucks, gotta go. 0.98

00:42:56.000 And then there's other people that go, okay, what is a chicken? 0.99

00:42:59.000 It's a little cunty dinosaur thing that's just...

00:43:02.000 Still around and wants to eat your kids. 0.88

00:43:04.000 That's what a chicken is. 0.72

00:43:05.000 Like, I have chickens and I love them.

00:43:07.000 They're sweethearts.

00:43:08.000 I pick them up and I pet them.

00:43:09.000 I mean, they're like eggs.

00:43:11.000 They make great eggs.

00:43:11.000 Yeah.

00:43:12.000 But the bottom line is, that's a cunty little dinosaur.

00:43:14.000 And we're lucky that thing is smaller than us. 0.99

00:43:17.000 If that thing was bigger than us, it would fuck us up. 0.99

00:43:20.000 You know? 1.00

00:43:21.000 It is true.

00:43:21.000 We're so weak as humans.

00:43:23.000 When we go out, I mean...

00:43:25.000 Don't make me bring up the terror bird.

00:43:27.000 No.

00:43:28.000 Do you know about the terror bird?

00:43:30.000 No.

00:43:31.000 North American Terrorbird?

00:43:32.000 No.

00:43:33.000 Is that the one bigger than the eagle?

00:43:34.000 It's like nine feet tall, dude.

00:43:36.000 It was a nine foot tall, gigantic bird that didn't fly.

00:43:41.000 And it lived in North America.

00:43:42.000 So it was an ostrich. 1.00

00:43:43.000 It used to fuck people up. 0.99

00:43:44.000 It was an ostrich. 1.00

00:43:45.000 It was predatory.

00:43:45.000 No, but it was a dinosaur ostrich.

00:43:47.000 Bigger.

00:43:48.000 Look how big it was.

00:43:49.000 That's what it looked like.

00:43:50.000 Looks like a nutcracker.

00:43:51.000 There's a scale where they show it next to a human. 0.99

00:43:53.000 Look how fucking big it was. 0.98

00:43:57.000 Are you kidding me? 0.99

00:43:58.000 Why was everything bigger?

00:44:00.000 Dude.

00:44:01.000 I don't know.

00:44:01.000 Have you ever seen that movie?

00:44:04.000 Have you ever seen that movie, Honey, I Shrunk the Kids?

00:44:06.000 Did that happen on Earth?

00:44:08.000 Look at the terror bird and the short-faced bear together.

00:44:11.000 Look at that right there.

00:44:12.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:44:13.000 Click on that, Jamie.

00:44:15.000 No, the next one.

00:44:16.000 The next one, the one above it.

00:44:17.000 That's the short-faced bear.

00:44:18.000 Isn't it?

00:44:19.000 No.

00:44:20.000 No?

00:44:21.000 Like the drawing?

00:44:22.000 That one right there that your curse is on?

00:44:25.000 Gosh.

00:44:25.000 Go up to the top left.

00:44:27.000 Is that a short-faced bear?

00:44:27.000 That's a saber-toothed cat.

00:44:29.000 Oh, it is?

00:44:29.000 Those are cool.

00:44:30.000 Oh, okay.

00:44:31.000 I love cats.

00:44:32.000 They're so...

00:44:33.000 I mean, gosh, they're killing machines.

00:44:35.000 At a certain line, cats and bears start looking kind of similar.

00:44:38.000 Yeah.

00:44:38.000 That's kind of bear-like a little bit, isn't it?

00:44:40.000 But faster.

00:44:41.000 Bigger teeth.

00:44:42.000 Way faster.

00:44:42.000 Way bigger teeth.

00:44:43.000 Faster with less power.

00:44:44.000 Look at that bird up there.

00:44:46.000 What's in its mouth?

00:44:48.000 Jesus.

00:44:49.000 I don't know, a dude.

00:44:50.000 Look at that dude riding it.

00:44:53.000 The joy of Google Images.

00:44:55.000 It's in a game, actually.

00:44:55.000 It is?

00:44:56.000 It just came out, yeah.

00:44:56.000 I would ride that thing.

00:44:58.000 Listen, we've got a real problem with these genetic engineers.

00:45:01.000 All these, like, super geeks out there. 0.99

00:45:03.000 If one of those assholes decides to recreate one of these things and keep it around, like William Randolph Hearst, the year 2017, if that dickhead just brings, instead of bringing around wild hogs, he brings around terror birds. 0.99

00:45:14.000 Don't worry, I've domesticated them. 1.00

00:45:16.000 They're all vegetarian.

00:45:18.000 Now that I see you can ride them, I thought he was pretty cool.

00:45:20.000 I don't think you can, dude.

00:45:21.000 I don't think that's real.

00:45:22.000 Is that upper class?

00:45:23.000 If you pull up to your car spot and it says, like, Joe Rogan parking, you ride up on a T-bird?

00:45:29.000 Yeah, I think anybody would take your spot if they ride up on a bird.

00:45:34.000 What year did that thing go extinct?

00:45:36.000 The Tera Bird?

00:45:37.000 Yeah.

00:45:39.000 Let's see.

00:45:40.000 It's got to be prehistoric.

00:45:42.000 I don't think it was prehistoric.

00:45:45.000 Definitely.

00:45:46.000 That's one of the main points of evidence that I always use when people talk about Bigfoot.

00:45:51.000 Like, how come you don't believe Bigfoot's real anymore?

00:45:54.000 I'm like, it's not that I don't believe it's real, but I have a very hard time believing that hunters haven't seen them.

00:46:00.000 What if the reason all these cool animals are extinct is because they walked off the edge of the earth?

00:46:06.000 That's a good point, dude.

00:46:07.000 They walked past the ice wall.

00:46:11.000 There's an ice wall out there.

00:46:12.000 You can't pass it.

00:46:13.000 Super important, standing on the side of the ice wall.

00:46:15.000 There are reports from Uruguay of findings dating to 450,000 and 17,000 years ago.

00:46:23.000 But the claim is debated, so, obviously.

00:46:26.000 Wow.

00:46:27.000 That's as close as we get.

00:46:28.000 62 to 1.8 million years ago is the actual normal thought of range.

00:46:33.000 Even though I don't believe it, I tried to keep an open mind about this flat earth thing and I said...

00:46:39.000 You tried to keep an open mind?

00:46:41.000 Well, I just, I kind of wanted to hear the other side's argument just so I could understand.

00:46:46.000 You know what I think it is, man?

00:46:47.000 I think it's just a lack of communication.

00:46:50.000 I think what we need is like, I know Neil deGrasse Tyson had this conversation with B.O.B., right?

00:46:55.000 That's the rapper's name.

00:46:56.000 We kind of explained it to him.

00:46:58.000 B.O.B. dissed him on a flat earth support track or something.

00:47:02.000 I don't know.

00:47:03.000 I just think it's just a lack of communication.

00:47:06.000 It's like someone needs to explain to people in a way that doesn't offend their preconceived notions.

00:47:13.000 Because people get this idea that they have the right information about something.

00:47:18.000 They get married to that idea. 0.99

00:47:20.000 And if you're like Shaq, who just recently came out and said he's married to the idea that the world is flat...

00:47:27.000 How much research are you doing?

00:47:29.000 Don't bait me.

00:47:31.000 How much research are the people on the space station doing?

00:47:36.000 Are they all in on a lie?

00:47:37.000 They're all in on a lie?

00:47:40.000 Is that real or did you decide that that's real and now you're looking only at things that support that idea in your head?

00:47:48.000 And you're not looking for it through astrophysicists or astronauts or people that study it their whole life who understand it.

00:47:57.000 You're not looking at it through those lenses.

00:47:59.000 That's why it seems like it makes sense.

00:48:02.000 It only seems like it makes sense because you don't know what makes sense.

00:48:05.000 How dare you?

00:48:07.000 Am I baiting?

00:48:09.000 I'm not even folks.

00:48:09.000 You're bathing me on the shack thing.

00:48:11.000 I think we all are just, we're all silly. 0.97

00:48:13.000 All of us on both sides. 0.99

00:48:15.000 No.

00:48:16.000 It's not even just that the people that believe the earth is flat.

00:48:18.000 I've got three full passports.

00:48:21.000 With stamps.

00:48:22.000 I think I feel for the people that believe it because I think someone didn't tell them correctly or something.

00:48:29.000 Yeah, but I've never did an international flight where I flew for a while and then the plane banked.

00:48:33.000 And turned around.

00:48:35.000 It doesn't work that way.

00:48:36.000 It's like a black hole.

00:48:37.000 It hit the wall, the ice wall, and then you go back in time to the moment when you're born.

00:48:41.000 Just live your life over and over again.

00:48:43.000 Is the ice wall real, though? 1.00

00:48:44.000 Fuck yes. 1.00

00:48:45.000 No one's been there and taken pictures of it, but they can't because of the Illuminati and plus the Jews. 1.00

00:48:51.000 You can't just go to the ice wall, dude.

00:48:53.000 Jamie, I'm asking you as a third party.

00:48:57.000 It was a simple question to Joe.

00:48:59.000 I'm sorry.

00:49:00.000 So what happens when you get to the edge?

00:49:02.000 I wish I was an expert. 0.99

00:49:04.000 Let's just make shit up. 0.99

00:49:05.000 But is there an ice wall or was that... 0.99

00:49:08.000 Because I actually thought that was part of the argument.

00:49:10.000 Yes, no, that is part of the argument.

00:49:11.000 It's being guarded by NASA or something.

00:49:13.000 But the part of the argument...

00:49:14.000 Guarded?

00:49:15.000 Wait a minute.

00:49:17.000 Are you kidding me?

00:49:19.000 This sounds like the Truman Show.

00:49:22.000 Or like Hunger Games.

00:49:24.000 I don't fault anybody who believes that.

00:49:26.000 I'm telling you right now.

00:49:27.000 And I think there's a problem when someone believes something, and then someone else doesn't believe what they believe, and then on both sides there's an issue.

00:49:36.000 Because the side that believes that they're right, the side of the astronomers and the astrophysicists, we get angry.

00:49:43.000 We get angry at people that believe something other than what we are pretty sure to be true. 1.00

00:49:48.000 So you start making it into a personal thing, and it's stupid. 0.99

00:49:51.000 And I think that's part of the problem is that people get invested in their ideas. 0.98

00:49:55.000 You get invested in the idea of Bigfoot. 0.96

00:49:57.000 I was fucking 100% over-invested in the idea of Bigfoot. 0.89

00:50:01.000 I was super helpful, or hopeful rather. 0.92

00:50:04.000 Every time I would see a news story about Bigfoot, please let this be the one.

00:50:08.000 I was thinking about it, man.

00:50:09.000 I was like, if they really found Bigfoot, how crazy would that be? 1.00

00:50:13.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99

00:50:14.000 But then it didn't make sense. 1.00

00:50:16.000 Didn't make sense.

00:50:17.000 No, Sharon actually brought up a very valid point.

00:50:20.000 She said, if there was a Bigfoot, what's his age limit?

00:50:23.000 Because he's got a... 0.98

00:50:24.000 I mean, by now, that sucker, based on how long monkeys and stuff live, or a bear, or whatever, he's gone. 0.98

00:50:32.000 If there was one... 0.96

00:50:34.000 The idea is that there's a population of them.

00:50:37.000 I've talked to several experts.

00:50:40.000 What's that?

00:50:41.000 I'm just Googling to see any updates on Bigfoot.

00:50:43.000 Oh, please.

00:50:44.000 They're excellent.

00:50:44.000 Rob Lowe and his sons are going to hunt Bigfoot for A&E. That'll be a fun show.

00:50:51.000 Rob Lowe's a funny guy.

00:50:52.000 The Lowe files.

00:50:53.000 I think that'll be interesting.

00:50:55.000 But is it...

00:50:56.000 Look, I mentioned...

00:50:57.000 Is he doing it like that he really thinks he's going to find it?

00:51:01.000 Or is he doing it as a way like, okay, boys, I'm going to prove to you that this is kind of...

00:51:07.000 Maybe it's not even preconceived, or maybe it's scripted.

00:51:10.000 The infamous Unsolved Mysteries.

00:51:12.000 Well, you know who absolutely 100% is balls deep in Bigfoot?

00:51:16.000 Bobcat Goldthwait.

00:51:17.000 Balls deep, all in.

00:51:19.000 I love that podcast.

00:51:20.000 I love him.

00:51:21.000 He's awesome.

00:51:21.000 Yeah, he was really cool.

00:51:22.000 I grew up in it.

00:51:24.000 He actually believes that that video, you know, that Patterson footage where the things walk across the field, he thinks that's real.

00:51:29.000 I do it all the time.

00:51:32.000 Now, if that Bob Patterson guy had met you, you probably could have taken the place of the other guy that wore the monkey suit.

00:51:37.000 If I had as much hair as you did without shaving, other than, like, up here?

00:51:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:51:43.000 I think I could look like that sucker. 0.99

00:51:45.000 Like, if he seen me stalking that hog this morning, he'd be like, there was a freaking Bigfoot doing yoga. 0.99

00:51:52.000 Well, there's some dudes that get real hairy. 0.97

00:51:55.000 We gotta assume that the hairiest dude that we know today ain't shit compared to the hairiest dude of a hundred years ago, right? 0.90

00:52:01.000 If you didn't have clothes, you know you'd be growing some hair. 0.95

00:52:04.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:52:05.000 I mean, seriously.

00:52:06.000 Yeah.

00:52:07.000 If you were cold...

00:52:09.000 If you had to live or die, you would grow hair.

00:52:12.000 Why would it be any different than a dog that sheds when it's hot?

00:52:15.000 Yeah.

00:52:15.000 Or grows hair when it's cold?

00:52:17.000 Because we're not animals, John Dudley.

00:52:19.000 We're people.

00:52:20.000 We came from monkeys.

00:52:21.000 Don't tell people that.

00:52:22.000 They don't want to believe it.

00:52:24.000 Well.

00:52:25.000 Yeah, I mean, there had to be some super hairy people.

00:52:28.000 And if your kind, like big giant freak-like dudes, like your kind covered with hair? 0.99

00:52:32.000 We're so opposite, actually, you and I. I know.

00:52:36.000 I'm like sitting there thinking, would I want to be shorter?

00:52:38.000 I feel like a child.

00:52:39.000 I feel like he's my child when we hug.

00:52:43.000 I'm his child, rather.

00:52:44.000 I don't know, but I feel like, remember when you told me that story about the monkey that you had when you were on Fear Factor? 1.00

00:52:51.000 Oh yeah, the monkey beat my ass. 1.00

00:52:52.000 That when you held that little thing, you thought, this thing's made of wood. 1.00

00:52:56.000 That's what I feel when I get you up on my shoulder. 0.98

00:53:00.000 I'm like, damn, this thing's made of wood. 0.97

00:53:04.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

00:53:07.000 Dude, I was telling Jamie, I think I've told you this story, I've probably told it to everybody I've met, that I have a little baby chimp on the set of news radio, like way back in the day.

00:53:16.000 It was supposed to be in some stunt.

00:53:17.000 Did I tell you this?

00:53:18.000 I probably said it before. 1.00

00:53:19.000 This little motherfucker was on my back and he hit me a couple times and I was stunned. 1.00

00:53:23.000 I was like, oh no, this is not what I thought it was. 1.00

00:53:26.000 Like, I thought it was like a little person.

00:53:28.000 Like, oh, this little person thinks he's a badass.

00:53:30.000 Let me just calm him down. 1.00

00:53:31.000 No, he got on top of me, just hit me a couple times on the back, and I was like, what in the fuck? 0.99

00:53:37.000 I just was thinking, immediately I started doing the math in my head, and thinking what it would be like to be confronted by a full-grown chimp. 1.00

00:53:45.000 Okay, well that's my argument with the Silverback vs.

00:53:48.000 Grizzly.

00:53:49.000 You said Grizzly. 1.00

00:53:50.000 Because grizzlies are even more and more the fucking badass than a chimp. 1.00

00:53:54.000 A grizzly can't... 0.99

00:53:57.000 Like, there's no way a chimp can outrun a grizzly. 1.00

00:53:59.000 There's no way.

00:54:00.000 Not a chance in hell.

00:54:01.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:54:03.000 What is a silverback full speed? 1.00

00:54:05.000 Have you seen one of those things coming through the bamboo?

00:54:08.000 I know that a grizzly can outrun a silverback.

00:54:10.000 I know it.

00:54:11.000 I feel confident.

00:54:13.000 I think chimps are faster than gorillas, and I think a grizzly can outrun a chimp. 0.74

00:54:17.000 Jamie's live for me. 1.00

00:54:18.000 I think there's no way the gorilla's getting fucked. 1.00

00:54:21.000 He's getting... 1.00

00:54:22.000 He's doomed.

00:54:23.000 I'm telling you right now. 1.00

00:54:24.000 Big ass interior grizzly. 0.99

00:54:25.000 I know what your hands feel like when they shake mine. 0.98

00:54:29.000 So I would be...

00:54:30.000 I guess I'm not like a grizzly, but...

00:54:32.000 You're a giant dude. 0.96

00:54:34.000 A silverback would crumple you like an empty pop can. 1.00

00:54:37.000 It wouldn't even be like...

00:54:39.000 He wouldn't even feel you.

00:54:40.000 He would go through you like whipped cream.

00:54:43.000 25 miles an hour.

00:54:44.000 Top speed.

00:54:45.000 What does it say?

00:54:45.000 It feels like...

00:54:47.000 25. It feels like 25. Similar animal?

00:54:51.000 Actual speed's 34, but it feels like 25. I don't understand what that means.

00:54:55.000 This is from someone riding its back.

00:54:57.000 Get to a different website.

00:54:59.000 Is that what this is?

00:55:00.000 Is that really what this is?

00:55:02.000 I don't know.

00:55:02.000 I'm trying to see what that means.

00:55:03.000 Oh my god.

00:55:03.000 I love the name Wapiti.

00:55:05.000 Where'd that come from?

00:55:06.000 Do you know where that came from for elk?

00:55:08.000 Speedofanimals.com A wapiti?

00:55:12.000 Yeah, where's that word come from?

00:55:13.000 That's what an elk is, dude.

00:55:15.000 A wapiti. 0.99

00:55:16.000 It's actually a wapiti.

00:55:18.000 Who called it the wapiti?

00:55:19.000 Where's that name come from?

00:55:20.000 I've heard it.

00:55:21.000 It's a cool name.

00:55:22.000 Wapiti Wednesday is a hashtag.

00:55:24.000 Cam uses it a lot.

00:55:26.000 Powerful whoppity Wednesday.

00:55:30.000 Is that a chimp? 0.99

00:55:31.000 I said a silverback. 0.99

00:55:32.000 What?

00:55:32.000 I don't want to know what a chimp is.

00:55:34.000 Oh my god.

00:55:34.000 Did you think a chimp is faster?

00:55:35.000 Get that chump off there. 1.00

00:55:36.000 Don't you think a chimp is faster than a gorilla? 0.99

00:55:38.000 Give me a silverback. 1.00

00:55:39.000 Okay. 0.96

00:55:40.000 Have you seen a silverback come out of the freaking jungle? 1.00

00:55:44.000 They're fast. 0.93

00:55:45.000 Ah, see?

00:55:46.000 Told you.

00:55:47.000 So this is what I'm thinking.

00:55:48.000 So it's speed over strength.

00:55:50.000 It's just like an archery argument.

00:55:52.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:55:53.000 I think the bear gets them.

00:55:54.000 Heavy arrow, slower speed, fast arrow.

00:55:56.000 But there's not much of a difference in the speed.

00:55:59.000 It's real close.

00:56:00.000 And a grizzly bear is so much bigger, moving so much more mass around.

00:56:05.000 Like, if a big grizzly is 500 pounds, a silverback... 1.00

00:56:09.000 I'm pretty sure...

00:56:10.000 I mean, a big grizzly, an interior grizzly, what is a big one?

00:56:13.000 900?

00:56:14.000 Is that really good?

00:56:15.000 Not a mountain grizzly.

00:56:16.000 You can look it up.

00:56:17.000 They're the more aggressive ones, right?

00:56:18.000 Let's just say 600 to 700. And the really big ones are the coastal ones, right?

00:56:22.000 Yeah.

00:56:22.000 Which they call brown bears for some reason?

00:56:24.000 Brown bears, yeah.

00:56:24.000 Why do they call them that?

00:56:25.000 Because it's the same animal.

00:56:26.000 It's a different species.

00:56:28.000 Is it?

00:56:28.000 Yeah.

00:56:29.000 Yes.

00:56:30.000 They don't interbreed or anything?

00:56:31.000 They're bigger.

00:56:32.000 They're bigger.

00:56:33.000 It's just a totally different bear.

00:56:34.000 Yeah, one looks like a Volkswagen with hair, and one looks more like a Ford truck with hair.

00:56:39.000 It's one of those other things where the one that has the scarier name is not the biggest one, which is weird.

00:56:47.000 Like Brown Bear sounds like, oh, he's so cuddly.

00:56:50.000 And you see those buses on Kodiak Island.

00:56:53.000 Yeah, Polar Bear.

00:56:54.000 They sell Coke.

00:56:54.000 Yeah.

00:56:55.000 Klondike bars?

00:56:55.000 Yeah.

00:56:56.000 Oh, that's right.

00:56:57.000 What would you do for a Klondike bar? 1.00

00:56:58.000 Fucking polar bear's your buddy. 1.00

00:57:00.000 Hey, I'm your buddy. 1.00

00:57:01.000 I live in a place where there's no vegetables.

00:57:03.000 It's a conspiracy theory.

00:57:05.000 Polar bears brought that up. 1.00

00:57:06.000 They literally made those to make themselves look cuddly so humans would be stupid enough to walk up to them. 0.99

00:57:12.000 Do you think it's like a nature trick? 1.00

00:57:14.000 Like nature made them cool to look at so we don't mind as much that they're murderers?

00:57:18.000 I would argue Disney.

00:57:21.000 Right?

00:57:22.000 Like that Bambi movie.

00:57:24.000 So a silverback is slower by 10 miles an hour?

00:57:27.000 Five or so. 1.00

00:57:28.000 The gorilla's fucked. 1.00

00:57:30.000 I told you. 1.00

00:57:30.000 No, but is there any strength of a silverback versus a grizzly? 1.00

00:57:35.000 I don't even think it's comparable.

00:57:36.000 And I say this saying I really respect grizzly bears and brown bears because you know that.

00:57:41.000 Well, I think that eased the concerns of a lot of grizzly bears and brown bears that were listening to this.

00:57:46.000 Yeah, they're pumped.

00:57:48.000 I think that they're all dangerous and ferocious.

00:57:51.000 I'm thinking Silverback versus the Grizz.

00:57:55.000 You think you would win?

00:57:55.000 Yeah.

00:57:56.000 Maybe.

00:57:56.000 People who listen to this podcast need to put it in the post.

00:58:00.000 We need to know what people want to know.

00:58:02.000 I wouldn't want to fight a 38-pound rat.

00:58:05.000 Yeah.

00:58:06.000 No kidding. 0.99

00:58:07.000 I'd be fucking terrified to fight a 38-pound rat. 0.99

00:58:10.000 Why 38? 0.99

00:58:11.000 I just can't help but a number. 1.00

00:58:12.000 Because that's a fucking giant rat, man. 0.99

00:58:15.000 Yeah, but you should have said 30, 40. I know, but like, how much does a house cat weigh? 1.00

00:58:20.000 So 37, you can get it?

00:58:21.000 What's a house cat weigh?

00:58:22.000 Like 10 pounds?

00:58:22.000 No way.

00:58:24.000 Less?

00:58:24.000 That's Garfield weighs 10. Okay, like 7?

00:58:27.000 7 pounds?

00:58:28.000 Something like that?

00:58:28.000 I would think.

00:58:29.000 Something along those lines?

00:58:30.000 Okay, now make it bigger.

00:58:33.000 What size has it become totally unmanageable?

00:58:36.000 First off, if you're not wearing welding gloves, a 10-pound in-shape house cat, you're not talking like Garfield.

00:58:45.000 You're talking like...

00:58:47.000 I don't know.

00:58:48.000 Let's talk about a Conor McGregor Garfield coming in at 10. Like a real good tiger cat.

00:58:55.000 Like one of them, you know, those ones like real common house cat ones that look like...

00:58:59.000 Well, picture this.

00:59:00.000 If you grabbed a 10-pound mountain lion, do you think you can control that thing?

00:59:07.000 There's no way!

00:59:09.000 My neighbor...

00:59:11.000 38-pound...

00:59:12.000 My neighbor's a good buddy of mine.

00:59:14.000 And he saw a mountain lion.

00:59:16.000 And he saw a mountain lion when he was walking his dogs.

00:59:19.000 He's got these little cutie dogs.

00:59:20.000 He's walking his little cutie dogs. 1.00

00:59:22.000 And he saw this fucking thing and saw its tail and picked it up. 0.99

00:59:25.000 Picked the dogs up and ran back to his house. 1.00

00:59:28.000 Smart guy.

00:59:29.000 And then got on a website.

00:59:30.000 Got on a website and found out that they had tracked this animal and that it had a collar on it.

00:59:38.000 And they tracked it and it got hit by a car on the five.

00:59:41.000 And he was explaining how the whole thing went down.

00:59:44.000 And I was like, whoa! 0.89

00:59:46.000 You were walking your dogs and this big ass cat, it was like a 120 pound plus cat. 0.61

00:59:52.000 So the actual cat that had a collar, he knew that's the one he encountered?

00:59:55.000 Yeah, he saw the collar, and then he went on the website, and you can track, because he'd found out that this cat had died, and when he found out the cat died, he went and, oh, the sound of whiskey.

01:00:06.000 Are you good over there?

01:00:07.000 Yeah, I'm good, dude.

01:00:08.000 Trust me.

01:00:09.000 You're Yeti's... 1.00

01:00:10.000 I'm talking a lot of stupid shit. 1.00

01:00:11.000 I know, you haven't even touched that thing. 1.00

01:00:12.000 Oh, I definitely have.

01:00:13.000 How dare you?

01:00:13.000 Are you one of those guys?

01:00:15.000 Bro, you're not even drunk as me, bro.

01:00:16.000 Quit bullying me.

01:00:17.000 Sorry.

01:00:18.000 It's my instinct. 0.99

01:00:19.000 What the fuck was I just getting to? 1.00

01:00:23.000 38 pound rat. 1.00

01:00:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:25.000 Among other things.

01:00:25.000 So a silverback is essentially like a super, a super primate, right?

01:00:31.000 The most super, super primate.

01:00:32.000 Yes.

01:00:33.000 But a bear...

01:00:36.000 Is one of the most super, super freak, predator, animal, freak-out things. 0.96

01:00:42.000 Like, if a bear was little, like a nine-pound bear, like the size of a nine-pound rat was trying to kill you, you'd be freaking the fuck out. 0.99

01:00:49.000 If it was running at you, like a little tiny bear, you'd be fucking terrified! 0.99

01:00:53.000 Now think of a giant one and realize how you are totally defenseless. 0.99

01:00:58.000 And I don't think it's going to be that much difference for a gorilla.

01:01:02.000 I literally think of a silverback gorilla with the way they're built and they swing around.

01:01:07.000 I think if he stood on the chest of a grizzly he could grab its paws and literally rip its arms out and beat it with it.

01:01:15.000 King Kong was a good movie.

01:01:16.000 I'll agree with you there.

01:01:18.000 I enjoyed it as much as the next lad.

01:01:19.000 I'm not even thinking of Kong, but I believe that.

01:01:22.000 I don't think that's correct.

01:01:24.000 I don't think they're that strong.

01:01:25.000 How much is the thumb?

01:01:26.000 The thumb does give an advantage though, right?

01:01:28.000 It could grab.

01:01:28.000 Yes.

01:01:29.000 Wait.

01:01:29.000 It's a little smarter.

01:01:30.000 Yes.

01:01:31.000 And move around a little faster.

01:01:32.000 Jamie!

01:01:33.000 Great.

01:01:34.000 But he just brought the thumb in. 0.55

01:01:35.000 The bear's way stronger.

01:01:36.000 Way stronger.

01:01:37.000 Way stronger. 0.64

01:01:37.000 It could smack it once and probably knock it out. 0.64

01:01:40.000 Well, I've seen that.

01:01:41.000 I've seen a grown mountain grizzly hit a moose and can it.

01:01:46.000 Yeah, you told me that.

01:01:47.000 That I've seen.

01:01:47.000 You saw it with your own eyes, right?

01:01:49.000 Is there any solid information of strength of a silverback?

01:01:54.000 There's not.

01:01:55.000 There's just a lot of people that have argued this on the internet for the last five to ten years.

01:01:58.000 We get dangerously close to this argument.

01:02:00.000 Seriously, why don't they put Thor's hammer on the ground and put a taco in it or something to where a grizzly has to try to grab it and pull it off and have a sensor versus the silverback?

01:02:13.000 Well, the grizzly definitely can't grab as hard because he doesn't have thumbs like we talked about.

01:02:17.000 Yeah, but that's relative to a beating.

01:02:20.000 Right. 0.99

01:02:22.000 How many fighters have a big ass and a lot of leg power, Krokov, versus someone that's just sheer gorilla up top? 0.99

01:02:32.000 Let's do go there. 0.99

01:02:34.000 I just wonder how strong a gorilla really is in comparison to what's essentially like a giant dog. 0.99

01:02:40.000 I just think he's going to get fucked up. 1.00

01:02:42.000 Are you crazy? 1.00

01:02:42.000 A silverback is equivalent to a giant dog? 1.00

01:02:46.000 No, no, no.

01:02:46.000 A bear is.

01:02:48.000 What I'm saying is a bear is essentially like a giant wild dog.

01:02:51.000 Possibly, but...

01:02:52.000 Why would I call a silverback a dog?

01:02:55.000 I don't know.

01:02:55.000 We've had a couple of adult beverages.

01:02:59.000 Yeah!

01:03:00.000 And we had a fun time this weekend, man.

01:03:02.000 We did.

01:03:02.000 It was really fun.

01:03:02.000 We had a great time.

01:03:03.000 It was a great time.

01:03:05.000 Dude, John Dudley is the greatest archery coach in the world.

01:03:08.000 There, I said it.

01:03:09.000 Even though I only have experience with John Dudley. 0.99

01:03:12.000 But I'll tell you, he knows his shit to the point where I highly doubt that there's anybody more detail-oriented than you. 0.99

01:03:19.000 You do what Sharon told me that. 0.99

01:03:21.000 She said, a lot of times you'll give a compliment to me, but then you'll immediately say something that, like, contradicts it.

01:03:29.000 Like, I'll say, say, I say, I really love those.

01:03:32.000 Those shoes look really good.

01:03:34.000 And then I'll, without knowing it, say, those silver ones that you have are better or whatever.

01:03:39.000 Just say, you know, whatever.

01:03:41.000 You kind of did that to me.

01:03:42.000 You said I was a good coach.

01:03:44.000 But I've only had one.

01:03:45.000 Thanks.

01:03:45.000 Well, I know, though.

01:03:46.000 I know what you're doing, though.

01:03:48.000 You're so technical.

01:03:48.000 You're pretty good at research, though.

01:03:50.000 You stalked me.

01:03:52.000 Archery is fascinating.

01:03:53.000 It's such a fascinating thing.

01:03:54.000 Weirdo.

01:03:54.000 I am definitely a stalker and a weirdo, especially when it comes to archery.

01:03:58.000 But learning it and learning it from a guy who's such...

01:04:03.000 The way you break the whole thing down is so fascinating because you expose these little weaknesses.

01:04:09.000 I've seen you do it, and you did it this weekend with our friend Steve, or this week with Steve Ryan, who we hung out with.

01:04:15.000 Yeah, super cool dude.

01:04:16.000 Awesome beard.

01:04:17.000 Really cool guy.

01:04:18.000 Should definitely work at shaving club. 1.00

01:04:20.000 Manly, manly beard.

01:04:22.000 Manly beard.

01:04:22.000 I mean, ferociously manly beard.

01:04:24.000 But I saw you just two in his bow.

01:04:27.000 You fixed a few things about his stance.

01:04:29.000 Like, you can't help yourself.

01:04:30.000 As soon as you see someone, and you're so bored with it at this point, you start asking me, all right, what's he doing wrong?

01:04:36.000 You're like, what's wrong here?

01:04:38.000 No, I did that for a reason.

01:04:39.000 That was part of me coaching you this weekend, actually.

01:04:42.000 Well, it worked.

01:04:43.000 It was seriously true.

01:04:45.000 The video was the best part, like showing me the video of practice shots.

01:04:48.000 I brought that in later.

01:04:49.000 That was awesome.

01:04:50.000 Everything was strategic, actually.

01:04:51.000 I asked you what you thought of him because a big part of me knowing that I'm teaching the right way is once my students are able to identify when I'm not there, I think that's a very important thing that coaches miss.

01:05:06.000 Some coaches, they want the money.

01:05:08.000 They want the student dependent on you being there all the time.

01:05:13.000 They want to go with you to the tournament.

01:05:15.000 They want to go with you to the UFC fight, whatever.

01:05:20.000 But the reality is, like with me personally, thankfully, if I agree to work with someone...

01:05:28.000 The reality is, I don't get to see you every week.

01:05:31.000 A lot of the people that I work with, I pick because I enjoy working with them.

01:05:36.000 But I want you to be able to help yourself when I'm not there.

01:05:42.000 You and I only get to see each other every three months, maybe.

01:05:46.000 So, if I'm not able to be there seeing you shooting for three months, Am I a good coach because you're, you know, for whatever, 89 days, you're wondering if you're doing it right?

01:05:59.000 So when I asked you that, it was for a reason because I thought, if you ever called me and said, am I doing something wrong, I could be able to say, well, have you take a picture and look.

01:06:11.000 Because hopefully we've worked on the same things enough to where you're able to identify, I want you to be able to tell me what you're doing wrong.

01:06:18.000 And I think a good coach does that.

01:06:21.000 They're secure to do that.

01:06:22.000 I don't want my students to be dependent on me.

01:06:28.000 I want to push myself because I'm wondering, do you know as much as I do right now?

01:06:35.000 And can I take this to another level where I introduce you to something new?

01:06:38.000 Well, you know, this is something that I've experienced in a big way with jujitsu, that the very best coaches, not only do they not hold anything back, but they encourage their students to be as good as them or better.

01:06:56.000 Like my friend Eddie Bravo is a perfect example of that.

01:06:59.000 He has this whole team of top killers.

01:07:04.000 He's really put together this fascinating style and now has incorporated all these leg locks into it, this fascinating style of jiu-jitsu, and openly encourages any new moves, explores them, gives everyone credit,

01:07:19.000 and they're all battling it out, trying to come up with the best method.

01:07:24.000 For every single situation.

01:07:25.000 And the only way to do that is to encourage growth, to not be afraid of competition, to embrace losing to your students or getting tapped by your students.

01:07:33.000 That's great.

01:07:34.000 It keeps everyone on their toes.

01:07:35.000 And other martial arts don't do that. 1.00

01:07:38.000 Yeah, that's stupid. 0.97

01:07:38.000 I shouldn't say they don't do that, but it's way less common than the jiu-jitsu community. 0.97

01:07:43.000 Like, Jean-Jacques Machado is a perfect example.

01:07:45.000 Yep.

01:07:45.000 Like, he's the guy who gave Eddie Bravo his black belt.

01:07:48.000 And Jean-Jacques Machado is, like, completely dedicated to making his students as good as him or better.

01:07:54.000 That's his 100% focus.

01:07:56.000 And when you do that, all you're concentrating on is the growth and the improvement of the art, the actual art of jiu-jitsu.

01:08:01.000 And I think the same could be said for archery.

01:08:03.000 You're not trying to hold anything back.

01:08:05.000 You're trying to put it into someone's head so they could do the very best job they can at minimizing all the things that can go wrong, tune everything right, and then you'll know what you're doing.

01:08:17.000 You'll be able to take steps.

01:08:18.000 And it's real similar.

01:08:20.000 In a lot of ways, it's real similar.

01:08:22.000 Well, like with Eddie, say he knew one move.

01:08:24.000 Say he knew the crane kick, right?

01:08:26.000 How dare you?

01:08:27.000 Jiu-jitsu doesn't involve crane kicks.

01:08:29.000 You stepped out of your lane.

01:08:30.000 That was terrible. 1.00

01:08:31.000 You son of a gun, you. 0.99

01:08:32.000 I'm sorry. 0.99

01:08:33.000 I'm sorry every 10th planet jiu-jitsu guy.

01:08:36.000 Dwayne Ludwig actually used that in a fight. 0.98

01:08:39.000 Dwayne Bang Ludwig is such a motherfucker, he was beating this dude up, and in the middle of beating, it was in the King of the Cage, in the middle of beating the dude up, he goes into the crane kick, and this was when Dwayne Ludwig, he's still a motherfucker, don't get me wrong, but this was when Dwayne Ludwig was a young, buck wild motherfucker, 0.99

01:08:56.000 and he was Bas Rutten's protege. 0.98

01:08:58.000 So he's fighting this guy in King of the Cage, and his stand-up is just super advanced for MMA at this point. 0.97

01:09:05.000 People just did not know what the fuck to do with this guy.

01:09:07.000 He had just wicked stand-up and was very competent and very successful as a professional kickboxer, too. 0.97

01:09:15.000 He's just a super good striker.

01:09:17.000 Fought, you know, Ramon Deckers.

01:09:19.000 Fought, like, top-level Muay Thai guys.

01:09:22.000 I mean, he was a really, really impressive guy.

01:09:23.000 So when he was in MMA, and this is He did kind of both of them at the same time, too.

01:09:28.000 When he was in MMA, when he did his crane kick on this guy, MMA was just not ready for this level striking yet.

01:09:34.000 He's TJ Dillashaw's coach.

01:09:36.000 You know who he is, right?

01:09:37.000 Yeah.

01:09:38.000 I mean, he was beating this dude up.

01:09:39.000 Look at this.

01:09:40.000 No.

01:09:41.000 Watch it for a little bit, because when you watch how good he was back then, he still is now. 0.99

01:09:48.000 So fucking technical. 0.96

01:09:49.000 See all these combinations he threw? 0.99

01:09:52.000 He was like on another level back then compared to a good percentage of the people that fought in MMA. Like, the kid he's fighting is wearing shoes, okay?

01:10:00.000 I was just wondering.

01:10:01.000 Look, it just got lit up.

01:10:02.000 Is he gonna skate after this?

01:10:04.000 I mean, he's getting lit up now.

01:10:06.000 This is Dwayne Bang's prime.

01:10:08.000 He just liver kicked him. 0.93

01:10:09.000 Head kicked him. 0.97

01:10:09.000 I know. 0.97

01:10:10.000 Woo! 0.99

01:10:11.000 This dude is getting...

01:10:12.000 Look at this!

01:10:13.000 Look at that combination, son!

01:10:14.000 He's definitely awesome.

01:10:14.000 Dude!

01:10:15.000 No question.

01:10:16.000 Cumps! 0.84

01:10:17.000 Come on! 0.61

01:10:17.000 That's cowboy combinations right there, but no question I'm feeling like I'm in eighth grade in basketball looking at those shorts. 0.61

01:10:25.000 Dude, you're so tall. 0.89

01:10:26.000 I accidentally touched your feet and they were all the way the fuck over here. 0.95

01:10:29.000 I was trying to get in that zone. 0.94

01:10:32.000 You can go ahead.

01:10:33.000 I got romance.

01:10:34.000 Don't worry about it.

01:10:34.000 Hey, you touched my knees.

01:10:35.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99

01:10:36.000 Is that your knee? 0.99

01:10:38.000 Yeah, man.

01:10:38.000 That's my knee.

01:10:39.000 Be careful.

01:10:39.000 You don't have any BRB? We're talking about bouncy road boners.

01:10:44.000 There is something that happens to a man when he's in a car that's going down a bouncy road for too long when he's like, what is this rod in my pants?

01:10:51.000 It's weird, right?

01:10:52.000 Yeah, it's like Spaceballs at Darth Helmet.

01:10:55.000 I never saw that.

01:10:56.000 You should.

01:10:57.000 I definitely probably should. 1.00

01:10:58.000 Make sure you're in the mood to see a really dumb movie. 0.97

01:11:02.000 You know, sometimes, I think when you did the podcast with Leah, you said there's some movies that are so bad that they're actually good. 0.98

01:11:09.000 Yeah.

01:11:10.000 Spaceballs is it.

01:11:11.000 Oh, is it really?

01:11:11.000 I thought it was supposed to be...

01:11:12.000 That's John Candy, isn't it?

01:11:14.000 I thought it was supposed to be really funny.

01:11:15.000 Yeah, but...

01:11:16.000 I mean, he was...

01:11:17.000 So it's just preposterous.

01:11:19.000 He dressed up as a dog.

01:11:20.000 I watched part of it, I think, once.

01:11:21.000 It's one of the, like, really big flaws in my catalog of movies I've watched.

01:11:28.000 I've missed a lot of, like, really good movies.

01:11:30.000 You have.

01:11:30.000 I never saw Bruno.

01:11:32.000 The Ali G movie?

01:11:33.000 I heard it was amazing.

01:11:35.000 I saw Borat, loved it!

01:11:38.000 Loved it!

01:11:39.000 And I should have seen Bruno, but I've never seen Bruno.

01:11:42.000 I had never seen Borat, and we're at Sharon's sister's house, and they're like, what, you haven't seen Borat?

01:11:49.000 So her sister, and Sharon and her sister are both like, you know, they walk pretty straight line, you know that.

01:11:57.000 And she said, oh, because her sister watches, like, horror movies and, like, scary movies, Borat movies.

01:12:07.000 Sharon and I are more into, like, you know, we like funny movies, Step Brothers, stuff like that, Talladega Nights.

01:12:13.000 But...

01:12:15.000 She told her husband to put Borat on, and when he put it on, I don't know if when he put the CD on, if it started up where they stopped before, but it was literally when Borat was like 69 and that fat guy in the bed, and she's like,

01:12:31.000 no, just wait, it's really good, and we're just sitting there like...

01:12:35.000 What the hell is this movie?

01:12:37.000 Yeah, you can't just enter in the middle of that movie.

01:12:40.000 You have to start that movie from the beginning.

01:12:42.000 We have to be in on it.

01:12:44.000 We literally, I don't know for timeline, but it started at Fat Guy at 69. That's where it started.

01:12:53.000 We were like, wait a minute, this is good?

01:12:55.000 Yeah, that guy is capable of keeping a straight face in tremendous circumstances. 0.99

01:13:01.000 Like, I don't know what he has in him, but he has a fucking constitution of steel. 0.95

01:13:07.000 The way he doesn't break character while these people... 1.00

01:13:09.000 Remember when he was carrying his shit into a bag and brought it to this lady? 1.00

01:13:15.000 It was in Borat. 1.00

01:13:16.000 He shit in his bag and then handed it to this lady in this really nice home. 1.00

01:13:20.000 And he was pretending that he was this guy who didn't understand. 1.00

01:13:23.000 That was his culture. 1.00

01:13:24.000 They would shit in a bag and then hand it to the people who ran the house. 1.00

01:13:28.000 It was fucking hilarious! 1.00

01:13:32.000 God, I wish there was an Oscar for podcasts. 0.98

01:13:35.000 Because how we go from being on a very positive subject to seeing Borat.

01:13:41.000 That is a positive subject.

01:13:42.000 He's genius.

01:13:43.000 Dude, that is Borat in a knock-on green Cher outfit.

01:13:47.000 Amazing.

01:13:48.000 That is knock-on green.

01:13:49.000 It's a little lighter than knock-on green, but close enough.

01:13:52.000 I don't know.

01:13:52.000 I think the original logo had that.

01:13:55.000 That guy is a character.

01:13:56.000 He is.

01:13:57.000 Did you see when he threw the ashes on Ryan Seacrest?

01:14:01.000 Live?

01:14:02.000 Yes, I did. 0.97

01:14:03.000 What in the heck?

01:14:05.000 He was amazing in Talladega Nights. 0.67

01:14:08.000 That's where he's amazing.

01:14:09.000 Look at him in the middle, though, when he's totally serious.

01:14:13.000 That's what his wife sees.

01:14:15.000 Let's not get creepy here, bro.

01:14:16.000 Well, I'm just saying.

01:14:18.000 I went from seeing him in a normal suit, I guess it would be a jacket and a nice white shirt, to being in the Borat, like, suspender outfit.

01:14:29.000 I would say that was normal, and that was on the extreme side.

01:14:34.000 Yeah, look at him.

01:14:35.000 Jesus Christ.

01:14:36.000 See?

01:14:37.000 Now we're almost at the...

01:14:38.000 What was the ice skating movie with Jim Farrell and...

01:14:41.000 What was that one?

01:14:42.000 That one was awesome.

01:14:43.000 Napoleon Dynamite.

01:14:44.000 That was funny.

01:14:46.000 That was a fun movie.

01:14:47.000 I will beat you, Ricky Bobby.

01:14:50.000 No, that wasn't Ricky Bobby.

01:14:51.000 No, Tal'Day Good Nights.

01:14:52.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:14:53.000 The French character.

01:14:54.000 I will beat you, Ricky Bobby.

01:14:55.000 He did have a good...

01:14:56.000 He did.

01:14:57.000 He definitely had a good...

01:14:58.000 Was it...

01:14:59.000 What was it?

01:15:00.000 Dang.

01:15:02.000 Yeah, his Ollie G character, he can't really do anymore.

01:15:05.000 I think what he's doing is taking cycles.

01:15:08.000 And then these young kids are going to forget.

01:15:10.000 They're going to forget about Ollie G. And then he's going to sneak up back on them again.

01:15:13.000 And we're going to know.

01:15:14.000 We're going to be in on it.

01:15:15.000 And he's just going to figure out how to get people that just missed the boat.

01:15:19.000 And he'll be able to bank a bunch of them.

01:15:21.000 He can't release them. 0.96

01:15:23.000 What he'd have to do is attack a bunch of them.

01:15:25.000 Do like several seasons worth before he released any of it.

01:15:29.000 Maybe that's what he's been doing.

01:15:31.000 Remember, didn't Red Band think he saw him one night at the comedy store hanging around?

01:15:35.000 Then he disappeared and he thought he saw cameras and all that, but nothing ever came of it.

01:15:40.000 He might have.

01:15:41.000 But he got sued by a bunch of people.

01:15:43.000 Like, he got sued by those young kids that he had on, like, where they were saying, would they say something that was racially inappropriate or something along those lines?

01:15:51.000 Yeah.

01:15:52.000 That lady with the poop sued, too, I think. 0.88

01:15:54.000 Remember the dinner party?

01:15:56.000 Is that clean, Jamie?

01:15:58.000 Yeah, when he's carrying around the poop, you can't be doing that.

01:16:02.000 Doesn't someone spittune you.

01:16:03.000 It's super inappropriate to be carrying poop.

01:16:05.000 Is this caveman?

01:16:05.000 With some butter?

01:16:07.000 No, that's not butter.

01:16:08.000 It's just black. 0.94

01:16:09.000 It's just black. 0.94

01:16:09.000 We change things around here. 0.94

01:16:11.000 You know what happens, man?

01:16:12.000 The butter with podcasts, I phlegm.

01:16:14.000 I get coffee phlegm throat.

01:16:16.000 I kept it cleaner.

01:16:17.000 It's the worst.

01:16:19.000 It's super annoying.

01:16:20.000 Annoying to me and to anybody.

01:16:22.000 Yeah, it is, right?

01:16:23.000 How come we got off the archery subject?

01:16:24.000 We were finally definitely on par.

01:16:27.000 Because you're very advanced for an archer.

01:16:31.000 I don't think it's worth not giving credit to you for that.

01:16:34.000 Well, I'm only advanced because of you, dude, and because of Cameron Haynes.

01:16:37.000 Cameron Haynes for introducing it to me, you for tightening everything up and taking the time to...

01:16:43.000 I mean, when you have a guy who's an Olympic coach in archery, and to get someone like you for a dork like me who just gets into it, you know, is really fascinated by it.

01:16:51.000 I feel very fortunate to be your friend, because you've taught me some stuff that's changed, like probably taken not just years off of my progress, but changed it.

01:17:01.000 The right way.

01:17:02.000 So, like, it didn't matter, like, five years down the road, I might be better at doing it wrong to the point where I kind of have my brain calculated how to do it.

01:17:09.000 I've practiced it enough so I can do it wrong and still get away with it.

01:17:12.000 You had a good detour.

01:17:14.000 Yeah.

01:17:15.000 You literally went from a super cool hardcore bowhunter to, like, how do I become the best at shooting?

01:17:22.000 And then now you're Joe Rogan, the hunter.

01:17:26.000 Well, to me, it's hard to say it's the most honest.

01:17:33.000 Because you're still arrowing an animal, right?

01:17:36.000 You're still using a weapon and you're still killing it.

01:17:38.000 But it's many levels of removement from any other kind of eating meat.

01:17:44.000 Many levels of removement. 0.97

01:17:45.000 And this is where it gets really fucking squirrely with people. 0.96

01:17:48.000 It's way more respectful of the animal than eating meat in any other way. 0.97

01:17:55.000 That's hard for people to wrap their heads around.

01:17:57.000 I totally understand it.

01:17:58.000 I totally understand that it's hard for people to wrap their heads around.

01:18:02.000 I totally understand also if you're annoyed with me talking about it too much.

01:18:05.000 How about that?

01:18:06.000 Wow.

01:18:07.000 I get it.

01:18:09.000 All the hunters definitely appreciate you standing up for what you're kind of seeing the light on. 0.91

01:18:14.000 Well, I would be a huge hypocrite if I didn't point it out.

01:18:17.000 Because there's something going on where people are deciding that there's certain executioners that are allowed to kill your meat. 0.94

01:18:24.000 And then the rest of us are not allowed to partake.

01:18:27.000 And if you do, then you're some sort of a bad person if you let an animal exist in its natural state until one day with a ton of practice.

01:18:34.000 I know how much you practice.

01:18:36.000 I know how long you've been shooting.

01:18:37.000 You've been shooting archery for how long now?

01:18:41.000 Right at 31 years.

01:18:43.000 31 years.

01:18:43.000 Many of those years competitively and you still practice it every day.

01:18:46.000 That's one of the most important things.

01:18:48.000 Well, I've competed, I've competed, let's see, I've competed, let's say I've competed 25 years.

01:18:57.000 But the only reason I competed was because I wanted to make sure that when I was hunting, I was proficient as a hunter.

01:19:06.000 That's the only reason I started competing was I wanted to make sure that, you know, I remember going out the first time as a hunter and finally having an opportunity and then missing, and I think I was a lot like you, When you got into it and you realize this is something I'm really into, you're like, okay,

01:19:22.000 how do I actually get good at it?

01:19:24.000 I don't want to go out and shoot something up the butthole or whatever it is, right?

01:19:30.000 You're like, I want to go. 0.98

01:19:32.000 I want to literally make a good shot.

01:19:34.000 I want this to be something I'm cool with.

01:19:38.000 And then I want to be able to enjoy the benefits of it.

01:19:41.000 So that's why I started competing was...

01:19:45.000 I actually went to my first archery tournament based on a sign on the road.

01:19:51.000 I was driving down the road and I saw a sign that said, and for those of you who are listening, there's actually a cool little documentary that Hoyt did.

01:20:03.000 Yeah, you were part of that whole program.

01:20:06.000 Very interesting program.

01:20:07.000 Yeah, if someone's listening and they kind of want to see my background and know how Joe and I came together, the I Am Defiant video from Hoyt is really good.

01:20:19.000 You can find it on YouTube, but You know, I was supposed to play college football, and I was a bow hunter, but I wasn't very good at it.

01:20:28.000 I didn't have anyone that really taught me how to do it.

01:20:31.000 I was self-taught.

01:20:31.000 My dad introduced me to it, and my uncle mainly.

01:20:35.000 And then I ended up going to this archery tournament based on a sign on the side of the road that said archery tournament.

01:20:42.000 And when I went there...

01:20:44.000 I lost all my arrows before I'd finished because I was so bad at shooting.

01:20:50.000 And being a person that was really wanting to play college football, that was like the first time I really felt defeat and just the competitive...

01:21:02.000 Driving me is like I have to do this right So the people that won that tournament all of them had these shirts on that had the name of the shop So the next day I was in that shop and I was just watching these people shooting and started asking questions and I realized that My self-taught or family-taught way was just a way to get in.

01:21:25.000 But then it just got so much more diverse.

01:21:28.000 And I think that's what happened.

01:21:30.000 For you, Cam was like your uncle.

01:21:33.000 He literally brought you into archery, right?

01:21:38.000 And then once you're in there...

01:21:39.000 I'll call him Uncle Cam from now on.

01:21:41.000 That'd be awesome.

01:21:42.000 You need to do a...

01:21:44.000 We need to do a...

01:21:45.000 He's like my crazy uncle that runs ultra marathons.

01:21:48.000 We need to do a Photoshop thing with Cam and an Uncle Sam outfit.

01:21:53.000 But Uncle Cam, he brought you into archery.

01:21:57.000 And then once you were there, you realize, wait a minute.

01:21:59.000 When I go out, this is a huge responsibility.

01:22:02.000 Yeah.

01:22:03.000 So how do I... How do I go out?

01:22:07.000 And if I'm going to put this responsibility in my hands, how do I make sure I'm 100% knowing I'm doing it the right way?

01:22:13.000 Let me just point out that this is not because I didn't have confidence in cam.

01:22:16.000 It's more that I am a junkie for exploring options.

01:22:19.000 And when I get into something, I start trying to find all the different variations.

01:22:27.000 The extreme ends.

01:22:27.000 I try to find out who's doing what.

01:22:29.000 What are the target shooters doing?

01:22:31.000 It's undeniable that...

01:22:33.000 Cameron Haynes is one of the greatest bull hunters in the history of human beings, right?

01:22:36.000 So just becoming friends with him is amazing, and I should probably just follow his lead, right?

01:22:40.000 But my thought is, I know that that works, and I know that works for him, but I know that there's certain things that work for me that don't work for my friends.

01:22:48.000 Like, I have friends that won't do yoga. 0.90

01:22:49.000 I fucking love yoga. 0.98

01:22:51.000 I have friends who won't float. 0.99

01:22:53.000 I fucking love floating. 0.93

01:22:54.000 I love it. 0.98

01:22:54.000 You know, you don't have to... 0.98

01:22:55.000 I haven't floated yet.

01:22:56.000 I might float tonight.

01:22:57.000 You gotta try it.

01:22:59.000 I'm going to try it.

01:22:59.000 I'll hook it up.

01:23:00.000 Okay.

01:23:00.000 Yeah, it's the greatest thing of all time.

01:23:02.000 You'll hook it up.

01:23:03.000 Next to four or five things.

01:23:04.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:23:05.000 I'll hook it up.

01:23:07.000 You're not going to pull a bunch of strings to make it happen.

01:23:10.000 I'm going to do it.

01:23:10.000 I'm going to call a guy.

01:23:11.000 You're going to open the door to the basement.

01:23:12.000 I'm going to call a guy.

01:23:13.000 You're going to put me in this dark room and open it up after my plane leaves.

01:23:16.000 It's one of the greatest things of all time.

01:23:19.000 Once you do it, you realize, like, why am I not doing this all the time?

01:23:22.000 It lengthens your body out.

01:23:23.000 Everything just sort of relaxes and sort of gives.

01:23:27.000 You know, like, there's, like, tight areas in your back.

01:23:30.000 Besides, like, the mental properties, the things you can do mentally, one of the big things it does is all the magnesium gets inside your muscles, and it's like a massive Epsom salt bath.

01:23:41.000 So everything just gets loose.

01:23:42.000 Yeah, because there's certainly a smell in there.

01:23:45.000 Yeah, what's salt?

01:23:46.000 It's just a salt smell.

01:23:47.000 You know what I do, dude?

01:23:48.000 I hold on to my hips like this when I'm in it, and I can make my back pop.

01:23:53.000 Like a lat spread?

01:23:55.000 Yeah, but I'm like pushing down on my hips, and I can feel...

01:23:59.000 Check that out.

01:23:59.000 I can feel my back pop.

01:24:01.000 Yeah, but look at that V. Dude, it's a strong V. Big man.

01:24:05.000 I bet you lift weights.

01:24:06.000 I bet you do.

01:24:08.000 I sling some KBs.

01:24:09.000 You gotta get in there, man.

01:24:10.000 And do you do any sort of decompression stuff?

01:24:13.000 Do you ever hang by your ankles or hang by your waist?

01:24:16.000 Well, that I like.

01:24:16.000 I actually do a lot of hangs.

01:24:18.000 Those are great.

01:24:19.000 Two things are...

01:24:20.000 One thing I didn't say today, but when you...

01:24:24.000 We were doing...

01:24:25.000 I did that stalk because you were tagged out.

01:24:28.000 So I did that stalk.

01:24:30.000 It had a really good stalk.

01:24:31.000 If it wasn't a sow, it was game over.

01:24:34.000 Like, that was checkmate.

01:24:35.000 Yeah, you got within...

01:24:36.000 How many feet?

01:24:39.000 I don't know.

01:24:39.000 It was probably eight yards, nine yards.

01:24:42.000 Very close.

01:24:42.000 When I stopped and came back.

01:24:44.000 And then came back, and the animal stayed in its place.

01:24:46.000 So you were so quiet.

01:24:47.000 At 235 pounds, you were able to crawl through the grass.

01:24:51.000 I got video of it.

01:24:52.000 It's kind of creepy.

01:24:53.000 He told me I was like a cat. 1.00

01:24:54.000 He's a fucking predator. 1.00

01:24:54.000 He's a fucking big predator. 1.00

01:24:56.000 It's creepy to watch. 1.00

01:24:57.000 You holding your bow and arrow, creeping up on these animals, moving so slow.

01:25:01.000 But you know what I give credit to that for?

01:25:03.000 Yoga.

01:25:04.000 Oh, yeah, that helps a lot.

01:25:06.000 Did you put that together when I was going?

01:25:09.000 Well, I know you've been doing it, and I know you like it, but I just thought you're a big athletic guy.

01:25:13.000 I know you played football, and I know you run a lot, you mountain bike a lot.

01:25:17.000 Yeah, but that's the difference.

01:25:18.000 You've got good use of your body.

01:25:20.000 Slow movements is way different than power.

01:25:23.000 Yeah.

01:25:23.000 Right?

01:25:24.000 For sure.

01:25:26.000 So, I really credit yoga.

01:25:29.000 My wife started doing it, and she kept saying, like, you really need to try it.

01:25:33.000 And then when I heard you talking about it, I tried it, and then now I'm to the point where I do it.

01:25:39.000 And it's, I mean, I wish all guys would, I think it's, if archers could only do one thing, I would say find a really good yoga place.

01:25:49.000 If they could do two things, I would say yoga and kettlebells. 0.98

01:25:53.000 And then if they could do three things, I would say yoga, kettlebells, and...

01:25:57.000 God, that'd be tough.

01:25:58.000 I'd say weights, but then heart rate is relative to cardio too.

01:26:04.000 But I just feel like your ability to maintain posture is really relative to yoga.

01:26:15.000 So like when I was stalking, one thing that you did...

01:26:20.000 That when I was filming and I stayed back just for sound, I stayed back and let you do your thing.

01:26:26.000 I wished I was the guide at that point where I could tell you, because you were behind the guide so you didn't really know what you were doing, but I was really wishing I could say like...

01:26:36.000 Your bow, instead of being sideways, where it's easiest to carry, it needs to be at the ready.

01:26:42.000 And everything you did needed to be...

01:26:46.000 Maybe it's your martial arts background, but you were...

01:26:49.000 We'll get on this subject, but...

01:26:51.000 You were going this way and this way and this way.

01:26:57.000 So your angle of attack, even though it was in a straight line, it was still horizontal.

01:27:03.000 Whereas, did you notice my angle of attack was always at a posture to where I could...

01:27:10.000 Move 28 inches than I was where I needed to be.

01:27:13.000 At full draw.

01:27:14.000 Right, right.

01:27:15.000 Yeah, I definitely, once we talked about that afterwards, I got that.

01:27:19.000 That made sense.

01:27:20.000 I did feel weird, though, about holding up the bow while this dude is in front of me.

01:27:24.000 I did feel weird about that.

01:27:25.000 I was like, I gotta have this pointed to the side.

01:27:27.000 I didn't feel right.

01:27:28.000 Even though it takes a whole step to pull it back and draw, it just didn't feel right to have a bow pointed towards some dude's back. 1.00

01:27:35.000 I know it's stupid. 0.99

01:27:36.000 No, it's not. 1.00

01:27:37.000 It is sort of, but it's not.

01:27:39.000 Because if someone tripped or something went wrong.

01:27:40.000 But I do think that doing yoga has made my ability to move slower better as well.

01:27:46.000 I think it...

01:27:47.000 What I was talking about earlier about lifting weights and stuff, there's nothing wrong with lifting weights.

01:27:51.000 But I think...

01:27:52.000 There's an overlooked thing that we were talking about in the car.

01:27:55.000 It's being able to control your body.

01:27:56.000 And that's what yoga does almost better than anything else.

01:27:59.000 The balance that you get and the ability to move your body in all these different ways. 0.96

01:28:04.000 It just doesn't seem as sexy as like squats or deadlifts fucking raw! 0.99

01:28:09.000 When you do deadlifts, I feel like you're getting some shit done. 0.99

01:28:12.000 I love deadlifts, don't get me wrong. 0.67

01:28:14.000 I feel like I'm getting calluses done.

01:28:16.000 These babies are from deadlifts.

01:28:20.000 Kettlebells, I feel like I get more pressure on my forearms from kettlebells.

01:28:23.000 You do a lot of hangs too, right?

01:28:24.000 That'll definitely give you some calluses. 1.00

01:28:27.000 For a lot of people, I think a very neglective movement, and I heard this on your podcast, and I called you and I'm like, dude, I do those.

01:28:35.000 It's just hanging.

01:28:37.000 Mm-hmm.

01:28:37.000 Literally grabbing a bar and fully extending yourself to where your body elongates your joints.

01:28:44.000 I think it just brings so much, like, lubrication to your joints.

01:28:49.000 And the longer I hang, do you hear yourself adjust?

01:28:53.000 Do you hear, like, click, click, clicks?

01:28:54.000 Yeah, I hear little things popping.

01:28:55.000 I do, too.

01:28:56.000 Sometimes in my lower back, too.

01:28:57.000 Yeah.

01:28:58.000 Especially if I can get a place.

01:28:59.000 You probably have a hard time getting one where your feet could dangle.

01:29:02.000 See, that's the thing about being short.

01:29:04.000 If you get a good one, your feet can dangle.

01:29:06.000 You can go to the playground.

01:29:07.000 And then you can have your body kind of pop.

01:29:08.000 How dare you?

01:29:10.000 How dare you? 0.99

01:29:10.000 I have to go to a freaking Tough Mudder to get my feet dangle. 0.99

01:29:13.000 I do go to a playground. 0.99

01:29:14.000 Some of these playgrounds are goddamn brutal. 1.00

01:29:15.000 Kids keep breaking their arm on these goddamn monkey bars. 1.00

01:29:17.000 What? 1.00

01:29:18.000 Yeah, man.

01:29:18.000 My daughter broke her arm on the monkey bars.

01:29:20.000 One of her friends at school broke her arm on the monkey bars.

01:29:22.000 I broke my arm on monkey bars. 0.99

01:29:24.000 Monkey bars are fucking dangerous, man. 1.00

01:29:26.000 Let these kids hang from metal bars. 1.00

01:29:29.000 See, when you're falling, you're only falling a few inches.

01:29:32.000 It's different from everybody else.

01:29:33.000 Maybe that's why. 0.99

01:29:34.000 Something like my size, if you fall off the monkey bar, it's a fucking long drop. 0.98

01:29:37.000 It's a lot of action. 0.97

01:29:39.000 But when you can hang from something, this is all from my friend Steve Maxwell who told me all about this.

01:29:44.000 That was a good podcast.

01:29:45.000 Oh, it's phenomenal.

01:29:46.000 He's like, it allows your arms to, like, sort of loosen up those joints and give them some mobility and flexibility.

01:29:53.000 And it makes a big difference.

01:29:55.000 It made a huge difference with me.

01:29:56.000 As soon as I started doing it, it really changed the way my shoulders started feeling.

01:29:59.000 Well, we both have had shoulder problems, right?

01:30:02.000 Yeah.

01:30:02.000 I dislocated mine.

01:30:04.000 I didn't even know I did.

01:30:05.000 See, I was the same.

01:30:06.000 I dislocated mine and it froze.

01:30:08.000 And then when I was too ignorant to know that it was a frozen shoulder and I forced myself to talk myself into the fact it wasn't a rotator, Then it went back in and that noise,

01:30:24.000 it's pretty dis...

01:30:25.000 I mean, you know the noise.

01:30:26.000 I don't know the noise, man.

01:30:27.000 You didn't?

01:30:27.000 I was really shocked when I heard that I... Yours didn't clunk in.

01:30:31.000 I don't remember it.

01:30:32.000 So the guy said, by the way the injury, like the way the inside tissue looked, he goes, it looks like your shoulder was disconnected, dislocated.

01:30:39.000 So I said, are you sure?

01:30:40.000 He's like, yeah, pretty sure.

01:30:41.000 It's like the way you have these little bits floating around in there.

01:30:44.000 He's like, usually that happens when a shoulder gets dislocated.

01:30:50.000 Yeah, mine wasn't good.

01:30:51.000 I remember Sharon looking at me and she goes, was that a good pop or a bad pop?

01:30:56.000 And I said, it wasn't the good one.

01:30:59.000 Definitely wasn't. 0.99

01:31:00.000 See, short-faced bears don't have these kind of weak-ass bitch-body problems. 1.00

01:31:04.000 What? 1.00

01:31:05.000 Those short-faced bears, they don't have these bitch-body problems. 1.00

01:31:08.000 No, I have different problems. 0.99

01:31:09.000 They just get jacked and pull trees out of their roots and beat people to death with them.

01:31:13.000 They probably have knee problems, lower back problems.

01:31:16.000 Imagine if they could talk.

01:31:17.000 That would make them so much creepier.

01:31:18.000 No, wouldn't it make him cooler?

01:31:21.000 You tell me you wouldn't have a short-faced bear here if you knew he wasn't like a mean one?

01:31:25.000 So you say that, but if he's a short-faced bear, he's a mean one.

01:31:29.000 That's like saying...

01:31:30.000 No, no, no.

01:31:31.000 That's rude.

01:31:32.000 You can't just come up with a new way of it being.

01:31:34.000 No, no, no, no.

01:31:35.000 He's a friendly shark.

01:31:36.000 There's no friendly sharks.

01:31:37.000 I can tell you, I've encountered a lot of bears, and bears have personalities.

01:31:43.000 Yes.

01:31:44.000 I'm sure.

01:31:44.000 Some bears have very short tempers, and they're, you know, they're total, like, snap, spazzes, like Jim Miller, just instantly snaps on you and freaks out.

01:31:57.000 And then some are really calm.

01:31:59.000 Like a polar bear.

01:32:00.000 Yeah, like a polar bear.

01:32:02.000 That's selling ice cream.

01:32:03.000 They hold you.

01:32:04.000 He's your buddy.

01:32:05.000 They cuddle you.

01:32:06.000 I'm your friend.

01:32:07.000 They do all that stuff.

01:32:09.000 They only murder the seals when you're not looking.

01:32:11.000 They only want you to watch.

01:32:12.000 Don't watch.

01:32:13.000 I have to feed.

01:32:14.000 They jack the seals.

01:32:15.000 Where are you going, Bobby?

01:32:16.000 Bobby the polar bear?

01:32:18.000 Blech! 1.00

01:32:19.000 He's murdering some seal, choking him down and getting back to the surface and pretending to be your friend. 0.53

01:32:24.000 Does everyone listening sense a sarcasm?

01:32:27.000 Like, I don't want to throw Jim Miller under the bus.

01:32:30.000 No, Jim Miller's awesome.

01:32:32.000 What do you mean a sarcasm?

01:32:33.000 Oh, like that you were just joking around about it?

01:32:35.000 Yeah, of course.

01:32:36.000 It's hard to know.

01:32:37.000 They don't know your relationship with Mr. Miller.

01:32:40.000 He's an awesome dude.

01:32:41.000 He is as awesome as he gets.

01:32:42.000 Love those guys.

01:32:43.000 They're all good.

01:32:44.000 Yeah, and you took him on a pig hunt recently.

01:32:47.000 Yep.

01:32:48.000 Jim Miller, who, if most people who listen to this podcast that follow the UFC know Jim, he's one of the top ten, I think.

01:32:56.000 He's top ten lightweight in the world.

01:32:57.000 Just lost a really close fight to Dustin Poirier.

01:33:00.000 God, I... That was as close as it gets.

01:33:02.000 Poor guy.

01:33:02.000 Awesome, awesome fight.

01:33:03.000 But if he's not top ten, he's certainly top 15. In my eyes, at least, he is.

01:33:07.000 I'm saying top two.

01:33:09.000 Well, that's hard to argue, honestly, because he's lost to some of the best guys, and there's still Tony Ferguson, there's still Habib Nurmagomedov.

01:33:17.000 Those are the top two guys.

01:33:18.000 They have to fight for the title.

01:33:20.000 But did he lose with a close fight?

01:33:23.000 Yeah, no, it's true.

01:33:24.000 There's no doubt about it.

01:33:25.000 No, he's an awesome fighter.

01:33:26.000 We talked about that.

01:33:27.000 That was the first fight that I ever watched, and I remember the first UFC fights, but that was the first time I ever watched one where I felt...

01:33:37.000 I had vestment in someone, and I knew Jim was fighting for, was that 208?

01:33:45.000 Because I saw him fight at 200, and he stood on the cage, and then, because I was sitting right behind you, and he said, let's go hunting!

01:33:53.000 How cool is that?

01:33:56.000 It was very cool.

01:33:56.000 How cool is that?

01:33:57.000 You're sitting there, and the guy just wins a fight, and the first thing he wants to do is go over and point you.

01:34:02.000 UFC 200. Take me hunting!

01:34:03.000 Let's go hunting!

01:34:04.000 That was so awesome.

01:34:05.000 It was.

01:34:06.000 Him and Ray Borg, when both those guys have done that, I was so happy.

01:34:09.000 I was like, it's so cool.

01:34:10.000 And I've got both of them.

01:34:11.000 Both of them are coming to Iowa in one month.

01:34:16.000 They're fighting for the turkey belt, and I'm in there too. 1.00

01:34:18.000 I'm going to bitch slap those suckers. 1.00

01:34:21.000 The turkey belt is the thing that John has every year. 1.00

01:34:24.000 Are bitch slaps allowed in UFC? I agree. 1.00

01:34:27.000 They should be.

01:34:28.000 See, they don't know what's coming. 1.00

01:34:30.000 Wait till this bitch slap. 1.00

01:34:31.000 You're supposed to have a closed hand. 1.00

01:34:32.000 But you can slap someone on the side of the head, though. 1.00

01:34:34.000 Dude, I'm gonna put all 15 inches of this bitch slap right across both of them. 1.00

01:34:39.000 I think it's probably better to punch someone. 1.00

01:34:42.000 Otherwise, people would just be bitch slapping people. 1.00

01:34:44.000 There used to be an organization called Pancreas, and they used to only bitch slap. 1.00

01:34:48.000 For real. 0.84

01:34:48.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.84

01:34:49.000 Pancreas was not allowed to strike with a closed fist except to the body, but they could head kick. 0.86

01:34:54.000 It was crazy. 0.99

01:34:55.000 They fucked up, and they made the rules that perfectly fit Boss Rutten style. 0.99

01:35:01.000 Boss Rutten was a UFC heavyweight champion, too, who beat Tiyoshi Kosaka back in the day. 1.00

01:35:05.000 Boss Rutten was just a murderer. 0.98

01:35:07.000 His kickboxing was just terrifying to these guys, and he came in out of nowhere and was knocking dudes out with bitch slaps. 0.99

01:35:12.000 You never heard of Boss Rudin? 0.74

01:35:14.000 Dude, he's a friend of mine.

01:35:16.000 Boss Rudin's amazing.

01:35:17.000 He's amazing.

01:35:18.000 He was the first, like, really technical animal striker to fight in the UFC. Actually...

01:35:25.000 Like, Maury Smith was a really super solid technical striker. 0.98

01:35:27.000 You'd be a good bitch slapper, dude. 1.00

01:35:29.000 Look at that mitt. 1.00

01:35:30.000 Look at that mitt. 0.81

01:35:31.000 If it had to be done.

01:35:32.000 I'm 6'5".

01:35:33.000 Bring your mitt up against mine. 1.00

01:35:36.000 Yeah, they're the wrong size.

01:35:37.000 Well seriously, they're the same size.

01:35:41.000 They're the wrong size for my body.

01:35:43.000 My mother smoked when I was a child.

01:35:45.000 I don't know, dude.

01:35:47.000 I think you had some silverback in your background. 0.99

01:35:49.000 Well, if I had to guess, someone fucked a monkey when they shouldn't have. 1.00

01:35:53.000 You know, it's one of those, like, can I still fuck monkeys? 1.00

01:35:55.000 No, you shouldn't. 1.00

01:35:56.000 You can, but don't.

01:35:57.000 You're like, you should know better. 1.00

01:35:58.000 Stop fucking monkeys, Bobby. 1.00

01:36:00.000 You're like, come on, I want more monkey, ma. 1.00

01:36:02.000 So some northeast Jew, or zoo, sorry. 1.00

01:36:06.000 Yeah, Jew. 0.98

01:36:08.000 Some Northeast zoo.

01:36:11.000 Someone's gonna take that out of context, right?

01:36:13.000 Yeah, that'll be a front page of the news.

01:36:16.000 I would assume if people came from lower primates, right, if human beings came from lower primates, which they think we did, like, it couldn't have been a totally even process.

01:36:25.000 You know, there's people, like, I have always wondered Like, what is the ultimate form of the human being?

01:36:34.000 If we came from some sort of a hominid, some sort of an Australopithecus monkey thing, and became what we are now, right?

01:36:42.000 What the hell are we going to be two million years from now?

01:36:45.000 Five million years from now? 0.94

01:36:47.000 The predator.

01:36:48.000 Do you think so?

01:36:49.000 Yeah, hell yeah.

01:36:50.000 Why would it be like that guy? 1.00

01:36:51.000 That guy's a douchebag. 1.00

01:36:53.000 He's sneaky, he hides, he's invisible. 1.00

01:36:56.000 Exactly.

01:36:57.000 But he's cheating.

01:36:58.000 He can't even sneak around behind trees. 0.99

01:37:00.000 Dude, he takes his bottom part off and he doesn't have any genitals. 0.99

01:37:03.000 That's true. 0.84

01:37:04.000 He gave it up just for hunting.

01:37:05.000 Yep.

01:37:06.000 He'll do an alien, he'll do... 0.95

01:37:08.000 That's right, he was doing aliens.

01:37:10.000 Schwarzenegger?

01:37:10.000 They were hunting aliens.

01:37:11.000 Isn't that a lot like people hunting crocodiles?

01:37:13.000 Wait, so you...

01:37:15.000 Isn't it?

01:37:15.000 Would antis have a problem with predator came down?

01:37:19.000 When you say antis, you mean anti-hunters.

01:37:21.000 Yes.

01:37:21.000 I speak the language, ladies and gentlemen.

01:37:23.000 Let's go, champ. 0.99

01:37:23.000 A lot of people don't know. 0.99

01:37:26.000 Yeah, I think they would say open season on the predator makes sense.

01:37:30.000 But why?

01:37:30.000 Because it's killing...

01:37:31.000 That's the same as fish, hogs... 1.00

01:37:33.000 First of all, because it's not from here.

01:37:36.000 It's not from around here.

01:37:37.000 At a certain point in time, people get territory.

01:37:39.000 Technically, a hog is not from America.

01:37:41.000 Not from America, but at least it's from the planet Earth.

01:37:44.000 It's God's creation.

01:37:46.000 But you're pushing the border.

01:37:47.000 Well, you were pushing the border with Noah and the ark, weren't you? 0.65

01:37:50.000 You took these animals that were supposed to die in the flood and put them all over the world.

01:37:54.000 Is that ice wall going further?

01:37:58.000 So Jamie chimes in finally.

01:38:00.000 Finally he's in.

01:38:02.000 Man.

01:38:03.000 That's hilarious.

01:38:04.000 Seriously though, you cut yourself short on archery.

01:38:09.000 I definitely don't.

01:38:11.000 I enjoy it.

01:38:11.000 I enjoy the process.

01:38:12.000 It's fun.

01:38:13.000 I enjoy learning.

01:38:15.000 Social media people, they're actually jealous of the fact that you got cam to bring you to hunting.

01:38:21.000 For sure.

01:38:21.000 And then now you're getting like...

01:38:24.000 Because I don't really work on people's bows.

01:38:27.000 I work on friends' bows.

01:38:29.000 And you get a lot of bows.

01:38:32.000 Yeah, you hook my bows up, dude.

01:38:34.000 I appreciate it.

01:38:35.000 You know, there's like...

01:38:36.000 People are like, must be nice.

01:38:39.000 Cam takes some elk hunting.

01:38:40.000 John works on his bows.

01:38:42.000 Listen, folks, it's not fair.

01:38:44.000 Life's not fair.

01:38:45.000 Don't let them tell you it's fair. 1.00

01:38:46.000 They're fucking lying. 0.99

01:38:47.000 They keep saying it's fair. 1.00

01:38:48.000 You get to do jujitsu with Bravo.

01:38:50.000 You get to do some Machado stuff.

01:38:52.000 What else?

01:38:52.000 Who do you learn pool from?

01:38:54.000 Well, I've had a bunch of friends that were really good at pool.

01:38:57.000 But one of the big ones, my friend Max Eberle, he thinks the world's flat.

01:39:01.000 Wonderful guy.

01:39:03.000 Max Eberle, he's a fantastic pool player, though.

01:39:07.000 Is this going to be class?

01:39:09.000 There's fundamentals to pool that mirror.

01:39:12.000 They don't mirror the consequences or the actions of archery, but they mirror the mindset and the proper form and the proper delivery.

01:39:24.000 With the minimal amount of like variables, like muscle movement or torquing of the hand or all those things, it's very similar in pool.

01:39:33.000 Like when you get really good at pool, and I'm definitely not really good, but when you get to a certain level, the people that are really good, they get this, well, it's like I used to play eight to ten hours a day, like all the time.

01:39:43.000 And you're saying you weren't good.

01:39:45.000 I was never, like, world class.

01:39:46.000 I was never, like, even national class.

01:39:48.000 I was, like, always a B player.

01:39:50.000 Like, at my very best, I was a B. This is totally being honest.

01:39:53.000 And then there was A players, and then there was pros.

01:39:55.000 Right.

01:39:56.000 I was never an A player.

01:39:57.000 But I learned how to get, I got better and better, and if I played for many, many hours in a row, I'd start getting loose, and I could run some racks sometimes.

01:40:04.000 But I was never a real good player.

01:40:05.000 But one of the things that I realized is that when I played my best, I was barely holding the cue.

01:40:10.000 I was barely holding it.

01:40:11.000 It's like I knew that the less control I had of it, the more I could let the cue do the work, and I had it tuned into my mind, and it was all about being in the correct stance, making sure that you come through the ball perfectly, meaning the delivery of the stroke, where it's just this natural, smooth motion.

01:40:28.000 And if you do that, you get to this state they call dead punch, or you get into dead stroke.

01:40:35.000 Like some guys call it dead punch, some guys call it dead stroke, but when you're in dead stroke, you can't miss.

01:40:40.000 You see the ball different.

01:40:42.000 You see angles on the ball.

01:40:44.000 You see when you know that when you release the cue, when you let that cue go forward, that tip is going to smoothly strike the cue ball and it's going to collide perfectly with the ball that you were aiming at.

01:40:55.000 It's going to go to the center of the pocket and it's going to roll to perfect position.

01:40:58.000 You might only be able to do that like a game or two in a row.

01:41:01.000 For me, I never got into it where it stuck with me.

01:41:04.000 Hours and hours, but I had a friend my friend Johnny B who I grew up with like I grew up in pool with who was a hustler.

01:41:12.000 I met him when he was a pool hustler and He was this really fucking smart dude who was good at who just he could play chess He could do numbers in his head like you could throw 500 times a thousand minus six divided by three he'd go 465 Definitely not,

01:41:30.000 465. But he could do that. 0.96

01:41:32.000 Like, it was weird.

01:41:32.000 He had a weird math brain that I don't understand at all.

01:41:35.000 And he would get to these...

01:41:36.000 Did he have Asperger's?

01:41:37.000 No, he was just a brilliant guy.

01:41:39.000 His mind was different.

01:41:41.000 He just had a different mind.

01:41:43.000 One of the first people I've ever met whose mind was just so different than mine.

01:41:47.000 Like, the way he thought about things and the way his brain, the RPM... But not considered different.

01:41:53.000 No, no.

01:41:54.000 He was normal.

01:41:54.000 Street smart.

01:41:55.000 Very street smart.

01:41:56.000 Okay.

01:41:56.000 Pool hustler.

01:41:57.000 Which is uncommon.

01:41:58.000 Funny character.

01:41:58.000 Yeah, that's a lot of different traits.

01:42:00.000 Yeah.

01:42:01.000 This guy would get, he would get loose when we'd play pool, and for hours he would be in this dead stroke, where it was just insane.

01:42:07.000 Like you couldn't, people would gather around and watch him play.

01:42:10.000 They would gather around, it was like you were washing an art form.

01:42:13.000 He had this way of getting out.

01:42:15.000 He had this way of moving a ball around the table that was so smooth and elegant.

01:42:19.000 If you did it yourself and you realize how difficult it is to watch...

01:42:23.000 It's a different perspective.

01:42:25.000 What Poole is, is a beautiful art form that only the people who know how to do it can appreciate.

01:42:32.000 Right.

01:42:32.000 And I think it's the same with archery.

01:42:34.000 One of the things about archery is if you watch a guy like yourself or any of the top target archers and you see those guys on TV in the Olympics and they're aiming at those spots and they release that arrow and it goes into the center, at home you're watching it going, yay, he got another bull's eye.

01:42:50.000 Or a guy misses and you're like, what the hell?

01:42:53.000 Yeah.

01:42:53.000 You're watching these guys do 10 in a row, 12 in a row.

01:42:56.000 But when you do it, you realize like, oh, this is a mirror into the mind.

01:43:01.000 This is one of many disciplines that are a mirror into the mind.

01:43:06.000 You get to peer into an area of yourself, like internally, and you get to figure out through these motions Where your mind's at.

01:43:15.000 Where your mind's at and how to discipline this sort of process of learning and getting better.

01:43:20.000 And archery is a weird one, man, where it just seems like it should be so simple.

01:43:24.000 Like, what's so hard?

01:43:25.000 You put your arm out, you aim, you let the arrow go, that's it, right?

01:43:29.000 Yeah.

01:43:29.000 No!

01:43:31.000 That's why this same thing.

01:43:33.000 They're shooting at the same spot from the same distance over and over and over and over again, and it's insanely difficult.

01:43:38.000 And you have to be a robot.

01:43:40.000 It's insanely difficult.

01:43:41.000 You have to replicate your movements and smoothness, and your breathing is important, and your concentration.

01:43:47.000 It's a fascinating discipline, man.

01:43:50.000 It's fascinating.

01:43:51.000 And if I never bowhunted again for the rest of my life, I would 100% still practice archery.

01:43:59.000 100%.

01:43:59.000 It's a form of meditation.

01:44:00.000 It is.

01:44:01.000 We talked about that.

01:44:01.000 It's a spectacular one, man, because it's so rewarding.

01:44:05.000 Like, when we were practicing, we were at camp practicing out to 90 yards.

01:44:09.000 That was as much fun as hunting.

01:44:12.000 Oh yeah.

01:44:12.000 I love it!

01:44:13.000 Yep.

01:44:14.000 It's the most fun way.

01:44:16.000 Was I in that...

01:44:17.000 What was your pool guy's name?

01:44:19.000 Johnny B, yeah.

01:44:20.000 Was I in a Johnny B zone?

01:44:22.000 You were definitely in a Johnny B zone.

01:44:23.000 But you're always in a Johnny B zone with archery.

01:44:25.000 It's very annoying.

01:44:27.000 We had a pie plate out at 90 yards. 1.00

01:44:30.000 This motherfucker was like, right in the middle of the pie plate. 1.00

01:44:33.000 I'm like, how the fuck can you even see that far? 1.00

01:44:35.000 I can't even see what that thing is. 0.98

01:44:37.000 I don't know.

01:44:37.000 You hit it.

01:44:38.000 You're lying.

01:44:38.000 I hit it a few times, but I miss it a bunch of times, too.

01:44:41.000 But my point is that because you're so technical, you're amazingly consistent.

01:44:47.000 And there's one I was saying earlier, even though you've been doing this for so long, you still practice every day.

01:44:52.000 That's the crazy part about it, that it is this discipline.

01:44:54.000 It's a fascinating discipline.

01:44:57.000 You start to really crave that.

01:45:00.000 You and I were talking with Steve about, he kept saying, I want to get into working out, but I don't.

01:45:07.000 And there's all these buts.

01:45:09.000 But you and I were saying, dude, we're to the point where that is part of our lifestyle.

01:45:17.000 Yeah.

01:45:18.000 That's part of our daily routine.

01:45:20.000 If I don't go to the gym, to me, if I don't somehow test my body each day, well, one, it's with archery.

01:45:31.000 I test my body, practicing.

01:45:33.000 And then I also test my body whether I do yoga a day or kettlebells or whether I lift or whether I bike.

01:45:41.000 Either way, it's a test, but that's part of my routine no different than, you know, archery, lifting.

01:45:49.000 I have to brush my teeth every day.

01:45:51.000 Life!

01:45:52.000 I always want to see Harry every morning before he goes to school, right?

01:45:55.000 You want to see your wife and you want to talk to your wife in bed or whatever. 0.69

01:45:59.000 You always want to have that connection time before you go to sleep.

01:46:02.000 That's part of a routine.

01:46:04.000 Yeah.

01:46:04.000 And once you get into that routine, your body craves it.

01:46:09.000 It doesn't want to miss that part.

01:46:11.000 Well, it's also you can regulate through those.

01:46:14.000 And one of the things that I've noticed is when I've taken days off of exercise, and I've done it many times, and I did it pretty recently because I was kind of feeling sick.

01:46:25.000 I was just kind of feeling kind of crappy, and my kids had colds.

01:46:28.000 And I was like, man, I might be coming down with something.

01:46:31.000 So I said, I'm just going to just chill out.

01:46:33.000 I'm bummed.

01:46:34.000 I'm going to go to the bathroom.

01:46:34.000 Go ahead, buddy.

01:46:35.000 I swore I'd never be that guy.

01:46:36.000 Dude, don't worry about it, man.

01:46:37.000 We can make it happen.

01:46:38.000 It's right there.

01:46:40.000 Go through that door and we're golden.

01:46:44.000 What was I just talking about?

01:46:46.000 Thank you.

01:46:48.000 Colds.

01:46:49.000 So what I did was I took like...

01:46:52.000 Maybe four or five days off of working out, which is super unusual for me.

01:46:56.000 I just said, I feel just a little tired, and I know this is going around.

01:47:00.000 I feel it trying to creep in.

01:47:01.000 So I took extra care of my health.

01:47:03.000 I took extra care to drink a lot of green juices and eat a lot of probiotics.

01:47:08.000 And I said, let me just recognize what this thing is and catch it.

01:47:11.000 Did some breathing exercises.

01:47:13.000 So I never got sick.

01:47:14.000 But what I did do is I took all that time away from working out, and I started feeling not so happy.

01:47:21.000 I don't want to say I was depressed, because I definitely wasn't.

01:47:25.000 But I felt a difference between my happiness level than what my happiness level is when I'm blowing out all the stress.

01:47:34.000 When I'm blowing out all the stress, then I look at life as this, I know it's not going to last forever, but it is awesome right now.

01:47:41.000 Like, shouldn't I just smile and enjoy this awesome thing right now?

01:47:45.000 Yes, of course I should.

01:47:46.000 And so I embrace the awesome things about this awesome life and try to take them all in as much as I can.

01:47:52.000 And just enjoy the moment.

01:47:54.000 But when I exercise, that comes almost natural.

01:47:58.000 It just feels like the thing to think of, the way to do, especially if I exercise hard.

01:48:02.000 If I can get through a brutal workout, the sky seems brighter, the air seems cleaner, people seem happier, I feel like I can change the way I interface with the world around me.

01:48:14.000 It's not just as simple as, you know, you work out because it's good for you.

01:48:18.000 You work out because it's good for life.

01:48:21.000 And I just think it's so easy to fall prey to our natural instincts to want to be comfortable all the time.

01:48:30.000 And I think the more you do that, the more you fall prey to the natural instinct to want to be comfortable all the time, you deny the observable yin and yang to the universe.

01:48:40.000 That the universe requires these moments of discomfort, like hard workout sessions, in order for you to feel good. 0.85

01:48:47.000 And I also think your body has these natural reward systems that have been implanted in us through millions and millions of years of being whatever the fuck we were when we were, you know, millions of years ago.

01:48:59.000 I think people have these things embedded in their head, and there's a certain requirement of panic, there's a certain requirement of exercise, there's a certain requirement of Protecting your environment, recognizing the dangers around you. 0.82

01:49:15.000 How much of that is left?

01:49:16.000 Well, if you grow up in the inner city in a really gang-infested, crime-ridden neighborhood, it's way higher ramped up than it is if you're a kid in Beverly Hills and your parents are super rich and their parents are super rich and you don't understand what it's like to be in a dangerous place.

01:49:29.000 Yeah.

01:49:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:31.000 I mean, people are very strange, John Dudley.

01:49:33.000 I mean, we're very strange.

01:49:34.000 Don Judley.

01:49:36.000 I'm talking very well.

01:49:37.000 A buddy of mine, Dusty Fillion up in B.C., one time I... What a great name.

01:49:43.000 Yeah, he's awesome.

01:49:44.000 Dusty Fillion.

01:49:45.000 The Fillions are awesome.

01:49:46.000 I love those guys.

01:49:47.000 Sounds like a character in a Stephen King book.

01:49:49.000 He's awesome.

01:49:50.000 That found a spaceship.

01:49:51.000 Same with Jeremy.

01:49:52.000 I'm going to give a shout-out to both of them. 0.99

01:49:53.000 I'm going to screw it.

01:49:54.000 Jeremy Nault, he was also awesome.

01:49:56.000 That's a great name for a Stephen King book.

01:49:57.000 Both of them are always my camera people when I'm up in BC hunting.

01:50:01.000 Oh, cool.

01:50:02.000 And the problem with having a full-time camera person, it would be a lot like you trusting Jamie with this podcast if he was also... 0.98

01:50:11.000 Potentially like a personality of jackass. 0.98

01:50:16.000 Oh, wow. 1.00

01:50:17.000 So you would think that he was pranking you the entire time?

01:50:20.000 I gave them my camera and they had it because they wanted to make sure it was always charged.

01:50:26.000 The card was always empty.

01:50:28.000 So when I get home and I load all my footage, I have this...

01:50:35.000 All these recoveries by my animals or my hunts with them posing as Don Judley.

01:50:43.000 It's like the guy that you trust.

01:50:45.000 Like when we trusted Steve, we said, hey, dude, get a picture of us, you know, glass in over here.

01:50:50.000 And then all it is is this... 0.98

01:50:53.000 Big freaking beard. 0.97

01:50:54.000 He kept taking selfies. 0.99

01:50:56.000 He took selfies of himself.

01:50:57.000 He was pretending to take our picture.

01:50:59.000 He took selfies.

01:51:00.000 And then we got it. 1.00

01:51:00.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:51:01.000 He starts laughing. 1.00

01:51:02.000 And then he took the pictures.

01:51:03.000 He was a funny dude.

01:51:04.000 A really funny dude.

01:51:05.000 He was.

01:51:06.000 He was real cool.

01:51:07.000 And really good at his job.

01:51:09.000 He was.

01:51:09.000 He knew that place like the back of his hand.

01:51:11.000 Just a pleasure to hang out with a cool guy.

01:51:14.000 Yeah.

01:51:15.000 Made an awesome tri-tip.

01:51:17.000 He did.

01:51:18.000 Good pork chops as well.

01:51:19.000 Beautiful.

01:51:20.000 But...

01:51:22.000 When I walked in, you were talking about the importance of the yin and yang.

01:51:26.000 It's a lot like that.

01:51:28.000 I think with any sport that's an individual sport, especially when it's a finesse sport, a lot of times you have to lose control and especially lose the ego in order to excel in In the outcome.

01:51:44.000 So, like a lot of the ways that I coach, I take away your ability to control and then slowly bring it back to you.

01:51:52.000 What people don't understand what you're saying, let me just explain to people that have no idea what archery is if you're still here.

01:51:59.000 They're a deer.

01:52:00.000 I'm just kidding.

01:52:00.000 Millions.

01:52:01.000 But what I'm saying is that when you learn archery, one of the things that happens to some people, I should say a lot of people, is you get something called target panic.

01:52:10.000 And that means, like, what you try to do is you try to have...

01:52:13.000 I don't want to hear this.

01:52:13.000 But let me explain it to people.

01:52:15.000 Because they don't know.

01:52:15.000 Definitely do.

01:52:16.000 I'm going to get ice.

01:52:16.000 You're scared of it?

01:52:17.000 No.

01:52:18.000 Scared of the word target panic?

01:52:19.000 Okay.

01:52:19.000 But it's a good subject.

01:52:20.000 I'm going to get ice.

01:52:21.000 Go ahead.

01:52:21.000 Get some ice.

01:52:22.000 Okay.

01:52:22.000 I'll be right here.

01:52:23.000 I'll explain to people, then you come back and fill in the blanks.

01:52:25.000 Um, people panic.

01:52:28.000 The other side.

01:52:28.000 There you go, brother.

01:52:30.000 Um, they panic and they can't keep the spot where they're supposed to aim on the target.

01:52:35.000 Like, sometimes they're low, sometimes they're to the left, and they circle it in there and then pull the trigger.

01:52:40.000 And they freak out.

01:52:41.000 And it's weird because it becomes like this psychological, um, Sort of a trap that they fall into and it's really common with target archers and I think something has to do with the monotony of continuing to stare at a spot and Sometimes being dead on it and sometimes not and eventually it builds up in your head We're trying to figure out how do I time this thing where I hit that trigger perfectly?

01:53:03.000 Well someone figured out a long time ago that if you use a release that doesn't let you know when the arrow is going to go off It's a surprise shot, then all those tricks don't get worked into your system.

01:53:17.000 All the tricks your brain plays on you don't get worked into the system.

01:53:20.000 And John has an amazing method of what we're saying, taking away control.

01:53:27.000 So that's what it means.

01:53:28.000 What you do by taking away control is you develop this tension release that you're just pulling through the shot.

01:53:33.000 So you can't anticipate when it's going off because the muscles are not nearly as sensitive as the ones that are on your finger or anything that's used to manipulating things.

01:53:40.000 You literally minimize your focus on literally a process.

01:53:48.000 So you occupy your conscious mind.

01:53:50.000 This is probably equivalent to most sports.

01:53:53.000 But your conscious mind, if you occupy it with a fight-or-flight syndrome or a fight-or-flight reaction, a lot of times when people experience performance anxiety...

01:54:07.000 I think?

01:54:22.000 Once, say you get freaking cracked hard with that left hand, your conscious mind goes from your trainer saying, slip and move, slip and move, keep moving, and all of a sudden you get hit with this thing that occupies your conscious mind to a thought of fight or flight.

01:54:42.000 Well, now it starts thinking about...

01:54:45.000 What you're doing and also you go into attack mode, right?

01:54:48.000 And then your game plans out the window.

01:54:50.000 So it's the same thing with archery.

01:54:52.000 You want to You want to occupy your conscious mind with a process instead of a result.

01:55:00.000 So, you know...

01:55:02.000 That's a good way of putting it.

01:55:03.000 Yeah.

01:55:03.000 So we're focusing 100%, 100%, and I've worked on you with this, I've worked on Aubrey with this, on a process.

01:55:13.000 And if you only focus on the process, then if you couldn't, if that ice shield was out there, the ice wall, and you could never see the result...

01:55:23.000 I would guarantee you that the result in the end would be, you know, if there was someone on the other side saying, Joe Rogan is an unbelievable archer, because you never knew the result, you were on this side of the ice wall saying, I'm only caring about the process.

01:55:39.000 So I take away all the tools of the result, which essentially those tools are what you came up with on your own when you said, I want to get into archery.

01:55:49.000 And I bring you into a process.

01:55:51.000 And then once you understand that process, and I 100% trust that you know the process...

01:55:59.000 Then I all of a sudden give you a tool to have ultimate control of the result, which is like what, you know, for a year I worked with you and then in the end you came back to the Noctuit, right?

01:56:12.000 Yeah, that release that you use.

01:56:14.000 Well, just the release method of not having any control over when it goes off.

01:56:20.000 Like, that made my archery alone.

01:56:24.000 Without the corrections in the form that you did for me, that made my archery alone more effective and more satisfying because, like, as we talked about, like, archery is a strange discipline.

01:56:34.000 And when someone points out the pictures to you, it sort of...

01:56:39.000 It sort of illuminates the process in this weird way that makes the process more exciting.

01:56:44.000 Like, everything you do, if you enjoy doing something when you first start doing it, once you get better at it, you're going to enjoy it even more.

01:56:50.000 That's a big thing with Jiu-Jitsu.

01:56:51.000 With Jiu-Jitsu, it's a huge part of learning and growing with Jiu-Jitsu is trying it out, getting good at it, and then...

01:57:00.000 You need to call out Jeremiah for me while we're podcasting.

01:57:02.000 I will.

01:57:03.000 We'll set that up afterwards.

01:57:04.000 The guy in 10th Planet, Des Moines.

01:57:06.000 10th Planet.

01:57:07.000 I'm going.

01:57:08.000 You should do it.

01:57:08.000 It'd be fun.

01:57:09.000 I want to do it.

01:57:10.000 And you're going to meet some nice people.

01:57:11.000 They're not going to hurt you.

01:57:12.000 I don't want my archery shoulders ripped out of socket.

01:57:16.000 As long as you learn how to tap out, it's super important.

01:57:18.000 I can tap.

01:57:18.000 You've got to learn how to do that.

01:57:20.000 You know me.

01:57:22.000 I'm big, but I'm willing to submit.

01:57:24.000 You've got to do it.

01:57:24.000 Whoa.

01:57:25.000 I'll do it.

01:57:25.000 That sounded super good.

01:57:27.000 Woo! 0.99

01:57:27.000 Someone's a bear. 0.99

01:57:28.000 Is that a bear?

01:57:29.000 Is the bear a top?

01:57:31.000 What?

01:57:32.000 How's the nomenclature in the gay community?

01:57:35.000 The bear is a big furry one, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's dominant, right?

01:57:39.000 Where did we go?

01:57:40.000 You don't know what bears are?

01:57:41.000 No.

01:57:42.000 You never heard about...

01:57:43.000 You live in an island, bro.

01:57:44.000 Shooting bows and arrows.

01:57:45.000 Hiding in the woods. 0.99

01:57:46.000 There's a category of gay men called bears. 0.99

01:57:50.000 Wait. 0.99

01:57:51.000 They're usually like bald, very hairy.

01:57:55.000 Get back to the Noctua.

01:57:56.000 Well, it's your idea.

01:57:57.000 I mean, I'm not saying that there's a problem with it.

01:58:00.000 I'm just saying I'm venturing to an area that's not my expertise.

01:58:05.000 Well, the area of my expertise is bears.

01:58:11.000 I've been, what would you call a bearologist?

01:58:15.000 There's a name for him, right?

01:58:17.000 What is the term?

01:58:19.000 Was it ursus?

01:58:20.000 Is that the term for bears?

01:58:21.000 The technical?

01:58:22.000 You would know way more than me.

01:58:24.000 I think it's an ursus.

01:58:26.000 The most stuff I learn is from my son right now.

01:58:28.000 Oh, really?

01:58:29.000 He's 18, and he comes home with some crazy, crazy stuff.

01:58:33.000 He wants to be a veterinarian, right?

01:58:35.000 Yes.

01:58:35.000 Yeah, so that's good.

01:58:37.000 Get him to study some shit. 0.99

01:58:38.000 Dude, we're going to Hawaii. 1.00

01:58:40.000 Do you know about the white sand in Hawaii?

01:58:43.000 Do you know what it's from?

01:58:44.000 I would assume it's from seashells.

01:58:47.000 Dude.

01:58:47.000 Is that it?

01:58:48.000 Look up what the white sand of Hawaii.

01:58:52.000 Look up what it's from.

01:58:53.000 What is it from?

01:58:54.000 It's going to trip you out.

01:58:54.000 Oh my god, I'm tripped out already.

01:58:55.000 So pumped.

01:58:56.000 It's all the bones.

01:58:58.000 It's not bones.

01:59:00.000 That's what it is in the Salton Sea, right?

01:59:02.000 Right, that's fish bones.

01:59:04.000 Yeah, the Salton Sea is fish bones.

01:59:05.000 No, say what?

01:59:06.000 No, the Salton Sea is not really a sea.

01:59:07.000 What is the primary cause of the white sand of Hawaii?

01:59:11.000 What is it?

01:59:12.000 Why are we playing games?

01:59:13.000 Don't hide. 1.00

01:59:14.000 It's parrotfish shit. 1.00

01:59:16.000 Really? 1.00

01:59:17.000 We're literally going to be walking around on defecation.

01:59:21.000 Hawaii's white sand beaches are made from parrotfish poop.

01:59:24.000 Oh my god!

01:59:26.000 I'm so pumped that I taught Joe Rogan something crazy.

01:59:29.000 Dude, that is insane!

01:59:32.000 How is that possible?

01:59:34.000 That's insane! 1.00

01:59:36.000 Oh my god, it just shits like crazy! 1.00

01:59:38.000 The thing shits sand. 1.00

01:59:41.000 Oh my god, it shits sand. 0.99

01:59:44.000 Does that thing eat... 0.98

01:59:46.000 Like a reef?

01:59:47.000 What is it eating?

01:59:48.000 Dude, it was at a hunting camp.

01:59:49.000 What does it eat?

01:59:51.000 Worms, sponges, and oysters also produce Pacific Ocean sand, but no animal is as proficient as the parrotfish.

01:59:58.000 They don't have stomachs. 0.61

01:59:59.000 They don't have stomachs! 1.00

02:00:01.000 Their meals pass straight through the long intestine.

02:00:03.000 It's like someone that got a bypass, like a gastric bypass, or someone that has a lower intestine.

02:00:08.000 Look at that.

02:00:09.000 Producing as much as 840 pounds of sand per year. 1.00

02:00:12.000 Can you imagine if your poor little asshole had a process? 1.00

02:00:16.000 Yours, you're a big giant guy. 1.00

02:00:17.000 If your poor little asshole had a process 840 pounds of sand a year. 1.00

02:00:22.000 It might, well... 1.00

02:00:23.000 Let's break that down.

02:00:24.000 How many pounds is that a day?

02:00:25.000 Because 365 days in a year, and it's, what is it?

02:00:29.000 It's more than double that, right?

02:00:33.000 Yeah, 840 pounds. 1.00

02:00:35.000 So that is more than two pounds of sand through your asshole every day for a year. 1.00

02:00:40.000 That's insanity. 1.00

02:00:42.000 Now, you're a fish, so think of that. 0.98

02:00:44.000 It's not even a person.

02:00:45.000 It's a fish. 1.00

02:00:47.000 A little fish is pumping out more than two pounds of sand through its tiny little asshole every day. 1.00

02:00:54.000 That's insane. 1.00

02:00:56.000 There's never been a thing like this.

02:00:59.000 Alright, well...

02:01:01.000 Come on, man.

02:01:02.000 Scraping and biting dead coral.

02:01:04.000 How would that translate to a 200-pound man?

02:01:08.000 That's incredible.

02:01:08.000 Can we do the math on that?

02:01:09.000 Oh, it'd be insane.

02:01:10.000 Run some numbers.

02:01:12.000 How big are one of these fish?

02:01:13.000 Yeah, how big is a parrotfish?

02:01:15.000 It looks small.

02:01:17.000 It doesn't even look that big.

02:01:17.000 They look cool, though.

02:01:18.000 Check out his lips.

02:01:22.000 No, that's not Nemo, right?

02:01:24.000 No.

02:01:25.000 That's a clown fish.

02:01:28.000 He had a whole new appreciation of Nemo.

02:01:31.000 They're cool.

02:01:31.000 I was like, is Nemo gangster?

02:01:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:01:34.000 Nemo's out there making sand with his little butthole. 0.98

02:01:37.000 It's a fairytale, old Dumple Stiltskin. 0.97

02:01:39.000 Nemo's a boy, right?

02:01:41.000 It sounds like a boy.

02:01:41.000 I don't know.

02:01:42.000 It's kind of weird, ambiguous, it's Pat. 0.99

02:01:44.000 Check that sucker out. 1.00

02:01:46.000 Whoa, what a trip. 1.00

02:01:48.000 That is from another planet. 1.00

02:01:49.000 Check out the beak on that sucker. 0.99

02:01:52.000 It's got a chicken beak. 0.97

02:01:53.000 Dude, if there was a pond on the moon and we found that thing, that would be the number one article in the history of the world. 0.99

02:02:01.000 Check that sucker out. 1.00

02:02:02.000 If that thing was in a pond... 0.99

02:02:04.000 What?

02:02:05.000 That's insane. 1.00

02:02:06.000 Think of the camo of that sucker. 0.99

02:02:07.000 That's a whole new UA Baron camo. 1.00

02:02:10.000 That's insane.

02:02:11.000 Dude, all you see is that eyeball floating through the water.

02:02:14.000 You're like, is that a milk dud?

02:02:16.000 No, it's a parrot fit.

02:02:17.000 Look at that guy.

02:02:17.000 He's got a green eye.

02:02:18.000 He blended in even better.

02:02:20.000 Doesn't that thing look like something that belongs in a different era?

02:02:24.000 Yes.

02:02:26.000 Everything in the sea is ten times cooler than on Earth.

02:02:31.000 Do you agree with that?

02:02:33.000 Ah, it's hard to get cooler than eagles.

02:02:35.000 What?

02:02:36.000 Hard to get cooler than an eagle.

02:02:37.000 Dude, look at that thing. 0.99

02:02:38.000 It has a rhino bump.

02:02:39.000 That's the rhino in the zoo that got its horn cut off.

02:02:42.000 Yeah.

02:02:43.000 With, like, some cool lips.

02:02:46.000 But...

02:02:46.000 Dinky eyeball.

02:02:47.000 Here's what's cooler about eagles.

02:02:49.000 First of all, eagles live in my world.

02:02:51.000 Respect.

02:02:52.000 Respect.

02:02:52.000 I'm all about the people that breathe air and the animals that breathe air next.

02:02:57.000 All those water-breathing motherfuckers can kiss my ass, okay? 1.00

02:03:00.000 I'm on team air breathers. 1.00

02:03:02.000 Second of all, what's gangster about the eagle is the eagle can manipulate 3D space where everybody else is trapped on the ground.

02:03:08.000 The eagle's got a whole different way of operating. 0.99

02:03:11.000 They can fly over and dive bomb on shit. 0.99

02:03:14.000 They catch fish with their hands. 0.99

02:03:17.000 They just swoop down in the river and jack fish with their hands and carry them off.

02:03:22.000 They're existing in our world, but not by our rules.

02:03:26.000 That's why they're the official mascot of the United States of America.

02:03:30.000 Well, let me tell you this.

02:03:31.000 Please do.

02:03:32.000 So, I just educated you on what I was...

02:03:36.000 Parrotfish poo.

02:03:37.000 I'm baffled.

02:03:38.000 Yep.

02:03:38.000 So, get this.

02:03:40.000 Don't blow my mind again, John Dudley.

02:03:42.000 Dude, if you live with a 17-year-old, which you will soon enough, you're going...

02:03:47.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:03:47.000 Look at that sucker. 1.00

02:03:48.000 Underwater iguana. 1.00

02:03:49.000 Oh my god.

02:03:50.000 What?

02:03:51.000 Dude, I was just in Mexico. 0.97

02:03:53.000 Those suckers are... 0.90

02:03:54.000 What?

02:03:54.000 What did you say?

02:03:54.000 They go 50 feet underwater.

02:03:56.000 What?

02:03:56.000 You gotta watch the new planet Earth, too.

02:03:58.000 That's where the first one I watched... 0.99

02:03:59.000 Damn it. 0.99

02:04:00.000 Look at that thing. 1.00

02:04:01.000 That is insane looking.

02:04:02.000 That looks like a monster.

02:04:03.000 This is literally...

02:04:04.000 Is this Pacific Rim, too?

02:04:06.000 Do you remember that little baby...

02:04:09.000 What?

02:04:09.000 The little baby iguana running and all the snakes are chasing it.

02:04:12.000 That was from planet Earth.

02:04:13.000 That's one of those.

02:04:15.000 Getting hatched on the beach and it's running to the rest of the group.

02:04:19.000 It's real cool.

02:04:21.000 That's an underwater iguana that we're looking at.

02:04:24.000 It's crazy.

02:04:25.000 These things look like monsters.

02:04:27.000 They're just small.

02:04:28.000 That's why Godzilla was such a dope movie.

02:04:30.000 Dude, you're going to learn so much cool stuff when your kids are 17. Type in this.

02:04:36.000 Type in...

02:04:40.000 Coral ejaculation on full moon.

02:04:43.000 Do you know about this? 0.96

02:04:46.000 Thankfully, no.

02:04:48.000 How dare you.

02:04:50.000 Wait till you find out what happens on a full moon at 8 o'clock.

02:04:54.000 I don't want to know.

02:04:56.000 You probably don't.

02:04:58.000 I don't want to know.

02:04:59.000 I'm scared now.

02:04:59.000 It's like a bad hot tub at the Holiday Inn Express.

02:05:03.000 Isn't it funny that people are so silly? 0.91

02:05:05.000 Like we know there's sharks in the water, but surfing is so much fun. 0.95

02:05:09.000 We take our chance.

02:05:10.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:05:11.000 That's with everything in life.

02:05:13.000 Dance over the head of monsters.

02:05:14.000 There's risk.

02:05:14.000 That's a big one though.

02:05:16.000 Short little ride.

02:05:17.000 Did you find anything?

02:05:18.000 I found a video.

02:05:19.000 National Geographic had a special on corals.

02:05:24.000 I think it's like 8 p.m.

02:05:27.000 on a full moon.

02:05:30.000 I think coral literally drops it like it's hot.

02:05:36.000 Really?

02:05:37.000 Yep.

02:05:37.000 And how does it get the rest of the coral pregnant?

02:05:39.000 Because coral's not a plant.

02:05:42.000 No, I think it's...

02:05:43.000 Is it asexual?

02:05:47.000 I'm seeing stuff called the coral spawn.

02:05:49.000 Yep, there it is.

02:05:50.000 So here's a little... 0.96

02:05:51.000 And after we look at this, we gotta check out all the new shit about the Great Barrier Reef. 0.98

02:05:56.000 Whoa, that is crazy. 0.99

02:05:58.000 Look at that creature.

02:06:00.000 This is coral orgasms?

02:06:05.000 That is right there? 0.64

02:06:06.000 Pretty much.

02:06:07.000 Whoa, they go in those little holes.

02:06:09.000 It's like that game at the carnival.

02:06:12.000 Right?

02:06:12.000 Isn't it?

02:06:13.000 Like the cum comes out in little balls and it goes in these round holes. 1.00

02:06:17.000 Jamie, type in Moonlight Triggers Mass Choral Romance. 1.00

02:06:22.000 Whoa.

02:06:25.000 Yep.

02:06:26.000 This is stuff you learn from when you go to your 7 o'clock breakfast with your teenager and he's a straight A student.

02:06:35.000 Wow.

02:06:37.000 He's like, Dad, did you know?

02:06:40.000 Check this out.

02:06:41.000 Moonlight triggers mass coral...

02:06:42.000 I look how they put romance in quotes.

02:06:46.000 It's politically correct.

02:06:48.000 Till now, how the primitive animals which lack brains or eyes synchronize...

02:06:52.000 So they're animals.

02:06:53.000 Whoa.

02:06:54.000 Wouldn't they be...

02:06:55.000 Would that not be considered a plant?

02:06:57.000 They're saying.

02:06:58.000 For people that say plants don't have feelings?

02:07:02.000 I don't know.

02:07:03.000 Seriously.

02:07:04.000 They're saying it's an animal.

02:07:07.000 But what constitutes that?

02:07:09.000 I don't understand it.

02:07:11.000 I don't know.

02:07:11.000 Well, let's look that up in a second.

02:07:12.000 But synchronized the mass spawning was a mystery.

02:07:16.000 Okay, in today's issue of the journal Science, researchers reveal that they have isolated an ancient gene in the coral's DNA that can detect moonlight.

02:07:24.000 Oh! 0.60

02:07:25.000 By exposing the corals to different colors and intensities of light, the team found that the gene known as CRY2 was most active in acropora during a full moon.

02:07:44.000 Wow.

02:07:45.000 Yep.

02:07:46.000 It encodes a type of protein known as a cryptochrome, which appears to trigger the coral's reproductive cycle.

02:07:53.000 It's a werewolf!

02:07:54.000 It's literally...

02:07:55.000 It's a werewolf!

02:07:56.000 At 8 p.m.

02:07:56.000 on a full moon, certain coral literally...

02:08:00.000 It's a werewolf.

02:08:00.000 Well, dude, that was getting back to what we were talking about earlier about bucks, about how strange they are that they only breed once a year.

02:08:07.000 Yeah.

02:08:07.000 For most of the year, there's no breeding.

02:08:09.000 And then something happens, and they all turn into fuck werewolves. 1.00

02:08:13.000 Yep. 1.00

02:08:14.000 Crazy.

02:08:14.000 I know this.

02:08:16.000 Bouncing.

02:08:16.000 If that was true as humans, there'd be a big sign up at 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu.

02:08:22.000 Oh, it'd be giant.

02:08:23.000 Because people would be like, wait a minute, you're telling me once a year I gotta be gangster?

02:08:28.000 And by the way, everyone would take steroids.

02:08:32.000 Okay?

02:08:32.000 If steroids grew you antlers and everyone had antlers, no one would accept natural antlers.

02:08:39.000 They would be like, okay, all bets are off.

02:08:41.000 We're stabbing each other with weapons that grow out of our heads.

02:08:44.000 I can't just play by the rules.

02:08:46.000 You know?

02:08:47.000 Because when antlers clash and deer and elk, they kill each other all the time, right?

02:08:52.000 You've stumbled upon all the time, right?

02:08:54.000 All the time.

02:08:55.000 It's actually part of the program.

02:08:58.000 Every year in Iowa, on the different farms that I hunt, I find either two bucks that are locked together and dead, or a buck that's dead, kind of based on a puncture wound, right?

02:09:10.000 They fight!

02:09:11.000 Remember that?

02:09:12.000 Actually, when we were at the Tejon, we talked about some of the elk that people took last year.

02:09:17.000 And the manager said that one of the bulls they took was because of the fact he had broke his horn at one time and he grew that spear out of the front.

02:09:26.000 And they said he kept killing other elk because when he would fight he literally had this broadsword Where everything else had this steel mace, right?

02:09:38.000 Yeah, everything else they would connect almost like people locking their hands in a game of mercy.

02:09:44.000 And one guy had a frickin' Wolverine spear, like a Terminator 2 frickin' sword on his arm.

02:09:50.000 That's exactly what he had. 0.99

02:09:51.000 It was ridiculous.

02:09:52.000 And they're like, okay, we gotta drop T2. It's just a fascinating thing that these animals develop weapons every year. 0.72

02:09:58.000 And they collide with each other and smash each other in the head.

02:10:01.000 And then they go back to normal.

02:10:03.000 Like nothing ever happened.

02:10:05.000 Well, is it that weird?

02:10:07.000 It's a lot like guys.

02:10:08.000 We talked about this.

02:10:09.000 Yeah, but it's not.

02:10:10.000 If we could only do it once a year, where would you go?

02:10:13.000 If the quickening happened once a year, and once a year, everybody started getting crazy and horny and dudes were running red lights and breaking into people's houses.

02:10:21.000 I'd go to my house and I'd lock the door.

02:10:24.000 It's not good enough.

02:10:25.000 Sharon's down.

02:10:25.000 It's not good enough.

02:10:26.000 You've got to be able to stay awake.

02:10:27.000 Why?

02:10:27.000 Because if deer were like people, people know how to open doors.

02:10:30.000 I have to stay awake?

02:10:31.000 You've got to stay awake.

02:10:32.000 I could stay awake.

02:10:34.000 You gotta put like metal all around the house.

02:10:36.000 You gotta have all your friends over and everybody has guns.

02:10:39.000 You gotta keep an eye out for the outside. 0.69

02:10:42.000 They would call it the fuckening.

02:10:43.000 People just couldn't help it. 0.95

02:10:45.000 For three or four days out of every year, everybody just loses their mind completely.

02:10:51.000 That would be the equivalent to what happens to animals when they're in the rut.

02:10:55.000 Like we were talking about finding that poor doe and all those men were just jumping her. 0.96

02:10:59.000 What's that, the purge?

02:11:01.000 It would be similar, right, but I mean...

02:11:04.000 The quickening is...

02:11:05.000 Not that it...

02:11:06.000 Is the quickening just mating?

02:11:07.000 No, the quickening is a weird one.

02:11:09.000 It's one of the ones that art...

02:11:10.000 It's the idea that Art Bell always brought up on that show.

02:11:13.000 Did you ever listen to the Art Bell radio show?

02:11:14.000 No.

02:11:15.000 Oh, it was the best.

02:11:16.000 He's the best.

02:11:18.000 Art Bell was like this late-night radio host, a legendary late-night radio host that always entertained all these people.

02:11:27.000 He had these people on his show that were psychics, or they were Bigfoot experts, or they worked at Area 51. Like the Joe Rogan Experience 2015. In many ways, I owe it to Art Bell.

02:11:39.000 I did his show, and when I did his show, it was a huge honor for me.

02:11:44.000 People are mad.

02:11:45.000 They said that I... Some UFO researchers got pissed off at me.

02:11:49.000 Because I was saying that most of what you see...

02:11:52.000 I'm still intrigued by the idea of an alien life. 1.00

02:11:54.000 But I think you have to factor in that what we're dealing with is a lot of people that are full of shit. 1.00

02:12:00.000 And they're making things up. 1.00

02:12:01.000 And that's what's going on.

02:12:03.000 And there's a lot of like...

02:12:04.000 These images that people doctor up.

02:12:07.000 Then it gets proven they're doctored.

02:12:08.000 But they get into the mindset.

02:12:10.000 They get into the zeitgeist of...

02:12:12.000 These people that believe in UFOs, and it becomes something that you...

02:12:15.000 And I was there.

02:12:16.000 I used to be 100% in on Area 51, on Roswell.

02:12:20.000 You were?

02:12:21.000 Yeah, man.

02:12:22.000 Totally in?

02:12:22.000 Yes, I thought for sure.

02:12:23.000 In the rabbit hole.

02:12:24.000 I thought for sure Hangar 18 in Ohio kept a UFO that crashed in Roswell.

02:12:32.000 Yeah, I was convinced.

02:12:33.000 I've been to Roswell.

02:12:34.000 Were you ever convinced of that, Jamie?

02:12:35.000 No.

02:12:36.000 I've heard of things in the Dayton area.

02:12:38.000 Right, Pat?

02:12:38.000 Yeah.

02:12:39.000 That's what they say, right?

02:12:40.000 Hangar 18. Wow.

02:12:42.000 Ohio, yeah.

02:12:42.000 Hangar 18 was in a movie.

02:12:44.000 They had this terrible UFO movie back in the Disney about aliens.

02:12:48.000 But the idea was that...

02:12:49.000 Who was the president during 1947?

02:12:52.000 Was it Truman?

02:12:53.000 I think it was Truman.

02:12:54.000 He flew to New Mexico and then flew back with the wreckage.

02:13:00.000 And they flew it in two separate planes, the wreckage of this aircraft.

02:13:03.000 This is true.

02:13:04.000 No, most likely not.

02:13:07.000 But that's probably what a lot of people thought it was.

02:13:09.000 They think it was most likely either a crashed weather balloon or maybe some sort of a Russian spy something or another.

02:13:17.000 They don't know what it was.

02:13:17.000 Highly possible, right?

02:13:19.000 Yeah, a weather balloon, not a Zeppelin.

02:13:21.000 They would use these weather balloons to spy on people.

02:13:24.000 And there was another thing they did, this was a really fascinating episode of Radiolab, I wish I could remember it, the name of it rather, but they sent bombs, Japan sent bombs over to North America flying the jet stream in balloons. 0.94

02:13:40.000 And the idea was to send bombs without any soldiers across the ocean, riding the jet stream, and they would land in America and fuck people up.

02:13:51.000 And some of them didn't go off, and people would find them. 0.99

02:13:54.000 Like when they would go digging around for shit, maybe some of the metal detector. 0.96

02:13:57.000 That's actually logical, right? 0.99

02:13:58.000 It's happened.

02:13:59.000 People have died and they blew up.

02:14:01.000 If you let a helium, which I did in like fourth grade, I let a helium balloon up with a letter on it.

02:14:06.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:14:07.000 And it said, like, whoever gets this, I'm from Johnsburg Elementary School or whatever, you know, please write me back.

02:14:16.000 And then people would get these postcards that said, oh, your balloon landed in Ohio or your balloon landed in Michigan.

02:14:24.000 So, it's really not that far off, mathematically, right?

02:14:27.000 If you knew how long helium would last in a balloon versus the current of the airstream...

02:14:32.000 They didn't guess it right, though.

02:14:33.000 They didn't have the proper ability to guess it right back then.

02:14:35.000 But they did get some of them through.

02:14:37.000 And some of them did detonate.

02:14:38.000 But a bunch of them went missing.

02:14:40.000 And people did find some of them.

02:14:41.000 But the episode is fascinating because you just think of the crazy mindset of people.

02:14:47.000 Like, one of the first things they figured out when they figured out that there's wind that travels in a very predictable current around the world...

02:14:52.000 Okay, how do we fly something up there and drop it on people?

02:14:56.000 Is it predictable, though?

02:14:57.000 It is, because it's a competitive advantage in the game of war.

02:15:02.000 You know, the war, in a lot of ways, becomes a game for countries.

02:15:06.000 Everybody west of us has got the advantage.

02:15:08.000 Yeah, in some ways.

02:15:09.000 Technically, right?

02:15:09.000 In that way, but obviously not weapons-wise or military-wise.

02:15:15.000 75% first.

02:15:17.000 Yeah.

02:15:17.000 Right.

02:15:18.000 They could get to us quicker with the Jetstream, but nobody's using the Jetstream anymore. 0.99

02:15:21.000 I mean, they had a brief window to kick our ass. 0.99

02:15:23.000 They use the internet now. 1.00

02:15:24.000 Yeah.

02:15:24.000 Well, if they're going to use missiles...

02:15:27.000 That's what scares me.

02:15:29.000 Everybody's worried about Russia.

02:15:30.000 What about North Korea?

02:15:31.000 Don't they have missiles now?

02:15:32.000 Isn't that kind of crazy? 0.96

02:15:34.000 Didn't he just kill his half-brother?

02:15:36.000 I think he had one missile, didn't he?

02:15:39.000 They were really excited when one got off the ground.

02:15:42.000 Dude, if North Korea was made out of diamonds.

02:15:44.000 Is that right?

02:15:45.000 Weren't they really excited when one went up?

02:15:47.000 I think they fired one recently and it went towards Japan.

02:15:52.000 And they were really pumped.

02:15:53.000 They're super pumped.

02:15:54.000 So it's 2017, and they got one to Japan. 0.99

02:15:59.000 They're just letting bitches know. 1.00

02:16:01.000 He's ready. 1.00

02:16:02.000 He's ready to launch.

02:16:03.000 But could you imagine if that place is made out of diamonds? 0.96

02:16:05.000 How quick we'd be in there and fucking everybody up? 0.94

02:16:07.000 They'd be like, yeah, man, we've got to protect the world. 0.96

02:16:09.000 And these diamonds...

02:16:10.000 What about oil?

02:16:11.000 Yeah.

02:16:12.000 Oil's good, but diamonds are better.

02:16:13.000 If you had a whole country filled with diamonds, you'd have to get those De Beers people on it. 1.00

02:16:17.000 What about broadheads?

02:16:18.000 Good broadhead?

02:16:19.000 It's not worth nearly as much as diamonds.

02:16:21.000 North Korea missile explodes within seconds of launch, U.S. says.

02:16:25.000 That's what they would say. 1.00

02:16:26.000 I would say, yeah, that bitch just blew up. 1.00

02:16:30.000 Motherfucker. 1.00

02:16:30.000 I like how they take this picture of everyone at an outdoor theater watching it. 1.00

02:16:35.000 They probably are required to watch it. 0.69

02:16:37.000 I wouldn't imagine that that would be fake.

02:16:39.000 What year was that minivan in that picture?

02:16:41.000 Was that a Chrysler?

02:16:42.000 They get what they can get.

02:16:43.000 It's probably a North Korea creation. 1.00

02:16:45.000 Chrysler caravan?

02:16:46.000 Who makes that? 0.93

02:16:47.000 That's probably a North Korea creation. 0.99

02:16:48.000 Wait, is that a rabbit or a...

02:16:50.000 I can't even recognize what that is.

02:16:52.000 They probably make their own cars, right?

02:16:54.000 Yeah, probably.

02:16:55.000 Wait a minute.

02:16:56.000 What?

02:16:57.000 Koreans make their own cars? 1.00

02:16:57.000 That's a Scud missile launcher. 1.00

02:16:59.000 That's not even legit.

02:17:00.000 Are you sure?

02:17:01.000 Yeah.

02:17:02.000 What website is this?

02:17:03.000 NPR. Okay, I bet he's right.

02:17:06.000 That's a Scud.

02:17:07.000 You think so?

02:17:08.000 Yeah.

02:17:09.000 It says, people, what does it say? 0.95

02:17:10.000 People with news footage of a missile launch outside the main railway station and, well, maybe this is just what their shitty design looks like.

02:17:17.000 A North Korea missile test failed just moments after launch Wednesday, according to U.S. and South Korea. 0.94

02:17:21.000 Maybe they reproduced a SCUD. I'm debunking that.

02:17:24.000 Might just be an old picture they used to use for a picture.

02:17:27.000 Why would they do that?

02:17:28.000 Why would NPR do that?

02:17:30.000 Because it just happened today.

02:17:31.000 They didn't have an updated picture of people watching.

02:17:34.000 Oh, but don't be faking. 0.99

02:17:35.000 Guys like John Dudley will fucking call you out. 0.99

02:17:38.000 John, Don, Juan, son. 1.00

02:17:42.000 My tongue's not working today.

02:17:45.000 The rye brain. 0.97

02:17:46.000 It's interesting.

02:17:46.000 I introduced you to this.

02:17:48.000 It's a good combination.

02:17:49.000 It's alpha brain and whiskey together.

02:17:50.000 For those of you watching who didn't watch.

02:17:52.000 We should wrap this up because it's almost 4 o'clock and we've got to get some cooking to do before we...

02:17:59.000 We've got some Noctua hog to roast up.

02:18:03.000 Yeah.

02:18:04.000 Yeah, this is going to be interesting.

02:18:06.000 For those of you watching who didn't know, Alpha Brain from Onnit.

02:18:12.000 The peach flavor specifically mixed in one bottle of water with a Yeti Rambler 10 ounce.

02:18:21.000 And today we're on the Angel's Envy.

02:18:24.000 Angels Envy Whiskey?

02:18:25.000 Who brought this?

02:18:26.000 It's been here.

02:18:27.000 It's been here a while, but this is a good bottle.

02:18:30.000 I think that's a very presumptuous name.

02:18:31.000 Angels Envy?

02:18:32.000 That's the point of it. 1.00

02:18:33.000 Angels can fly, you fuck. 1.00

02:18:34.000 They're like eagles, but they're like super tight with God. 1.00

02:18:37.000 Okay?

02:18:37.000 They're not envious of your whiskey.

02:18:39.000 Way better.

02:18:40.000 Imagine people saying that, like, yeah, my whiskey's so cool.

02:18:42.000 People wish they weren't even angels.

02:18:44.000 They could enjoy my whiskey.

02:18:45.000 What kind of whiskey are you selling, sir?

02:18:47.000 Yeah, we're behind.

02:18:48.000 Angel's Envy.

02:18:48.000 You know.

02:18:50.000 Angel's Envy.

02:18:50.000 For those of you listening, thank you so much.

02:18:53.000 But we do have, we have, the two of us have, we want to enjoy something together.

02:18:59.000 It's called some wild pork roast.

02:19:04.000 And Angel's Envy. 0.99

02:19:05.000 I want you to know I'm just fucking around. 0.99

02:19:07.000 I don't really... 0.99

02:19:08.000 It's just a name.

02:19:09.000 It's a beautiful name.

02:19:10.000 It's delicious whiskey.

02:19:11.000 Are you worried about them being mad at you?

02:19:13.000 I just want to be nice to people, man.

02:19:14.000 That's what I'm trying to do in this life.

02:19:16.000 Get through this life.

02:19:16.000 Be as nice to as many people as possible.

02:19:18.000 Jamie, thank you about looking up the cool stuff.

02:19:22.000 You're awesome.

02:19:23.000 Jamie's on top of that Google thing, son.

02:19:26.000 I need a Jamie so bad.

02:19:26.000 Gosh.

02:19:27.000 You don't say a Jamie.

02:19:28.000 There's one Jamie.

02:19:29.000 You need someone to perform similar functions.

02:19:33.000 Yeah, but people say...

02:19:33.000 Jamie's trying to clone you.

02:19:34.000 People say, like, I want a friend like a Joe Rogan.

02:19:38.000 And I'm like, what?

02:19:40.000 He called me out on Twitter.

02:19:42.000 Because I shoot a bow.

02:19:45.000 Lame.

02:19:46.000 It's alright, man.

02:19:46.000 Everybody gets drunk.

02:19:47.000 I'm down with it.

02:19:50.000 You got bombed and then called me out on Twitter?

02:19:54.000 No, no, no.

02:19:55.000 It's been very important to me, man.

02:19:57.000 It helped me a lot, tremendously.

02:19:58.000 And I think it's cool that you put all that stuff online.

02:20:01.000 It's not recovery.

02:20:02.000 I'm just telling you.

02:20:03.000 Okay.

02:20:04.000 Podcasting is about conversation, man.

02:20:06.000 It's about just talking.

02:20:08.000 Occasionally, you want to figure out who wins a fight.

02:20:10.000 Short-faced bear.

02:20:11.000 Yeah.

02:20:12.000 Or one of them bears in West Hollywood.

02:20:13.000 I'm thankful you listen to my podcast, for sure.

02:20:16.000 Do I do?

02:20:17.000 And I think people that are really interested in archery, like there's rabbit holes.

02:20:21.000 We're going to try it.

02:20:22.000 There's levels you can get down the rabbit hole.

02:20:24.000 Please try it.

02:20:24.000 Try to find a good shop near you.

02:20:26.000 And because of John and a lot of other people, there's some great resources online.

02:20:30.000 So you can find out a lot about the art of archery.

02:20:34.000 Zen, the book of archery, you recommended that book to me.

02:20:37.000 It was really interesting, your take on it, too.

02:20:39.000 I was...

02:20:39.000 Seems like a guy who's not totally there, but he's talking about it.

02:20:45.000 And he gets it.

02:20:46.000 But you didn't think it was written by an elite archer.

02:20:49.000 No.

02:20:50.000 See, that's so fascinating to me.

02:21:19.000 It's just like anything with yoga or meditation or anything else.

02:21:23.000 It's all state of the mind, right?

02:21:25.000 It's also in a language that's extremely complex, and I don't think it's the same.

02:21:32.000 I don't think their interpretations of what we call things, I don't think it matches up with the way they feel about things.

02:21:39.000 So when you translate something from Japanese, especially Japanese I think it was the 1400s when Miyamoto Musashi wrote the Book of Five Rings.

02:21:48.000 You translate from that to today, I think you're missing a lot.

02:21:54.000 You're also missing the reality of their life, the futile life and death.

02:21:59.000 I could agree with that.

02:21:59.000 The reality of sword fights and that there's an intensity to their existence that I think is very, very difficult for us to quantify today.

02:22:06.000 And that book, you almost have to sit down and think for a long time before you open that book.

02:22:14.000 You got to put yourself, and don't just read the words.

02:22:16.000 Read the words and imagine that this is an interpretation of someone's words in Japanese who was maybe the greatest guy that ever lived at fucking people up with swords. 0.84

02:22:28.000 Yeah.

02:22:28.000 But he was really into calligraphy, and he's really into art and poetry, and he was really into meditation, and he was really into mind games.

02:22:37.000 He was a totally different...

02:22:40.000 Kind of figure.

02:22:42.000 Because he seemed to me, in a lot like when you're trying to talk about mastering archery or trying to master jiu-jitsu, there's things that are vehicles for you to try to develop your potential.

02:22:55.000 And some vehicles are more extreme than others.

02:22:57.000 Like our friend Cam Haynes who likes to run ultra-marathons.

02:23:00.000 And then he run the Bigfoot 205-pound marathon.

02:23:03.000 205 mile marathon, which is insane.

02:23:07.000 I mean, those people that pick those paths like that, in some sort of strange way, people that pick these super extreme paths are kind of redefining What people are capable of, you know, and engaging with the most extreme aspects of life.

02:23:27.000 And then they turn life up to ten, and then regular life becomes almost unsufferable.

02:23:33.000 It's really fascinating, man.

02:23:34.000 Like with me, archery would be ten, which most people can't even relate to that, right?

02:23:40.000 Yeah, most people have a hard time finding anything that they really, really sync up with.

02:23:44.000 But what I think is that when you see a guy like You know, like a super athlete, like Mighty Mouse, when you see a fully dedicated super athlete, when you see, I mean, there's a lot of consequences to what Mighty Mouse does, extreme consequences, but then you go one more level,

02:24:01.000 and that's sword fighting. 0.90

02:24:03.000 I mean, these fucking people that lived in feudal Japan, the Ronins, they would, he killed 60-something people. 0.99

02:24:10.000 With swords. 1.00

02:24:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:24:12.000 And one-on-one, you looking at each other and just fucking chopping people up. 0.96

02:24:16.000 Yeah, like Mayweather's... 0.97

02:24:17.000 Is Mayweather 39-0?

02:24:19.000 49-0.

02:24:20.000 49-0.

02:24:21.000 49-0.

02:24:23.000 Imagine him being that guy.

02:24:25.000 Yeah.

02:24:25.000 It's another level.

02:24:26.000 Right.

02:24:26.000 49-0 in boxing.

02:24:28.000 And it's not up to a judge.

02:24:30.000 That's up to a sword.

02:24:31.000 Oh, yeah.

02:24:32.000 It's totally different.

02:24:33.000 Well, his style would never work.

02:24:34.000 I mean, it would actually work a little bit.

02:24:38.000 Because you're so vulnerable.

02:24:39.000 McGregor or Mayweather.

02:24:40.000 Are we changing subjects?

02:24:42.000 Yes.

02:24:43.000 Look, Mayweather is a way better boxer.

02:24:45.000 There's just no doubt about it.

02:24:46.000 He's one of the greatest boxers, if not the greatest boxer that's ever lived.

02:24:50.000 And even though he's smaller, you're talking about a completely different level of skill.

02:24:57.000 A completely different level of understanding of the subtle nuances of boxing.

02:25:02.000 But that said, Conor McGregor is not incompetent.

02:25:06.000 He's very dangerous.

02:25:08.000 Floyd Mayweather is a way better boxer. 0.99

02:25:11.000 But Conor McGregor is dangerous as fuck, and he has a really deceptive ability to move in and move out. 0.96

02:25:19.000 He can cover distance very quickly. 0.99

02:25:21.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

02:25:22.000 And he can do so in a weird way.

02:25:24.000 He can do so in a way where he might stun you. 0.98

02:25:26.000 He might stun you and he might catch you early and he hits really fucking hard. 0.98

02:25:29.000 I agree with that. 0.95

02:25:30.000 But, if Floyd can figure him out and start using his jab and using his movement...

02:25:35.000 See, Floyd has traditionally had problems with southpaws.

02:25:38.000 But he's never lost to one.

02:25:40.000 He's still...

02:25:41.000 And he's talking about professional boxers.

02:25:43.000 You also have the bigger glove factor.

02:25:45.000 Conor's gonna be wearing bigger gloves than he's ever fought in the UFC before.

02:25:48.000 The UFC gloves are four ounces.

02:25:50.000 Most likely, if I was Floyd, I would insist on ten ounce gloves. 0.99

02:25:53.000 I would want this motherfucker to have a lot of padding on his knuckles. 0.99

02:25:56.000 Go eight. 0.99

02:25:57.000 I don't know if they're gonna do that. 0.99

02:25:59.000 I wanna see Conor knock that sucker out. 1.00

02:26:03.000 Oh, you're so silly. 1.00

02:26:04.000 What is the weight that they wear above 160? 0.99

02:26:09.000 I think it's 10 ounces above 160 and 8 ounces below.

02:26:13.000 I've been to two Connor fights with you.

02:26:16.000 He's incredible.

02:26:17.000 And all I can say is, when Connor hits a guy...

02:26:21.000 Their face instantly shows the fact that they don't know that it was really that.

02:26:27.000 Is that fair to say?

02:26:29.000 They don't know that it was really that.

02:26:30.000 Meaning that he hits so hard, he stuns them.

02:26:33.000 I think people say, I know I'm going to get hit with that left.

02:26:36.000 But when they actually get hit with the left, a person's expression reveals...

02:26:44.000 What they actually felt?

02:26:46.000 And I think people feel like it's harder than what they did in training.

02:26:49.000 Well, you know that people...

02:26:51.000 Is that true?

02:26:51.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:26:52.000 Well, you know that people can run faster than people, right?

02:26:54.000 You know there's certain people that have special gifts.

02:26:56.000 Right.

02:26:56.000 They have special gifts of athletic movement, and some people have, in extraordinary ways, gifts of power when it comes to striking.

02:27:04.000 And it doesn't make any sense. 0.99

02:27:05.000 But I've seen it from people where you see what you think is hard, and then you see someone else, and you go, what in the fuck? 0.99

02:27:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:27:12.000 There's a video of George Foreman hitting the heavy bag. 0.99

02:27:16.000 Right.

02:27:16.000 And George Foreman was...

02:27:18.000 I don't know if he had fought Ali yet.

02:27:23.000 I don't know when this...

02:27:25.000 I think this was before the Joe Frazier fight.

02:27:27.000 I might be wrong about that.

02:27:29.000 But pull up George Foreman hitting the bag.

02:27:32.000 Because it's a really recent clip that's been going around.

02:27:34.000 Some people have sent it to me on Twitter.

02:27:36.000 For sure heavy.

02:27:37.000 For sure heavy.

02:27:39.000 Heavy bags?

02:27:40.000 Yeah.

02:27:40.000 Oh yeah, you can see it.

02:27:41.000 You see the bag.

02:27:42.000 You see him, watch it.

02:27:42.000 But you gotta hear it.

02:27:43.000 Listen to the sound of this.

02:27:45.000 And he's winding up, no doubt about it, but he's not trying to work on form, he's just working on power.

02:27:50.000 Look at this.

02:27:53.000 You gotta see when they show him really digging in.

02:27:58.000 See, he's like swinging.

02:28:02.000 Look at this.

02:28:05.000 Look at this.

02:28:06.000 Look at this.

02:28:11.000 And he would just wail these full power punches.

02:28:15.000 And when he would fight people, like when he fought Joe Frazier, he hit him with punches that you could tell Frazier had never been hit like that before.

02:28:23.000 Right.

02:28:23.000 And he's not even moving his feet.

02:28:25.000 Watch this.

02:28:25.000 Look at this.

02:28:32.000 Two! 0.99

02:28:32.000 Those last two are insane! 0.99

02:28:35.000 So his ability to single power punch was so extraordinary that almost no one could stand in front of him and withstand that sort of a barrage. 1.00

02:28:44.000 That's a freak athlete and those come along and when those come along, if they're smart, two, and then they're really good at learning the sport, two, A lot of people are fucked. 0.99

02:28:54.000 And good at trash talking. 0.99

02:28:55.000 Yes, and that's where Conor McGregor is. 0.98

02:28:56.000 He's a freak athlete.

02:28:57.000 In the sense that he has...

02:28:59.000 There's a guy named Faraz Zahabi, who's one of the best trainers in MMA. George St. Pierre's trainer.

02:29:04.000 He calls it the touch of death.

02:29:06.000 That's the best way to describe it.

02:29:07.000 He just zaps people.

02:29:09.000 I saw it.

02:29:11.000 I mean, I saw when he hits people with that left.

02:29:13.000 It doesn't look...

02:29:15.000 Like, you watch Brock Lesnar wind up and crack someone, which I saw, and then you see Connor, which you don't even realize the punch came in, and then their face is, like, swelling up instantly.

02:29:29.000 That's, like, what we just saw with Foreman.

02:29:32.000 Well, it's extraordinary for sure.

02:29:33.000 The difference between that and Foreman is obviously Foreman has big heavyweight gloves on, and he's punching a bag that a guy's holding, and there's a lot of padding between that dude and the bag.

02:29:42.000 It'd be interesting to see someone, when you see someone stand in front of Foreman and Foreman would hit them, he was one of the most extraordinary power punchers in history.

02:29:48.000 It was like, have you ever been close to an airport and you see a big 757 coming in?

02:29:56.000 Yeah, Airbus.

02:29:56.000 And you're like, is that thing going to fall?

02:29:58.000 Yeah.

02:29:59.000 It's too big to be flying.

02:30:00.000 Am I right?

02:30:00.000 Yeah.

02:30:01.000 But that's what Foreman's, when he would swing, you would think, okay, that's not doing much.

02:30:06.000 And then you would just see people wrinkle.

02:30:08.000 Yeah.

02:30:09.000 Well, he was a big guy, but not big by today's standards.

02:30:12.000 I think Foreman was probably only like 220-something back in the day.

02:30:15.000 See if you could pull up George Foreman versus Joe Frazier.

02:30:18.000 He got way big as he got older.

02:30:20.000 When he came back, when he was like super heavy, like he was well over 300 pounds and he made his comeback.

02:30:25.000 I think he was like 36 years old.

02:30:27.000 Nobody took it seriously.

02:30:28.000 Then he started blasting people.

02:30:30.000 And after a while, people were like, wait, what?

02:30:31.000 He just knocked out George Cooney.

02:30:33.000 Is it possible for Conor to blast?

02:30:35.000 217. Look at that.

02:30:36.000 He was 217 when he fought Joe Frazier.

02:30:39.000 That's lighter than me.

02:30:40.000 But look up the video.

02:30:41.000 That's lighter than me right now.

02:30:43.000 Yeah, that's a UFC light heavyweight before they cut weight.

02:30:45.000 Like, Jon Jones probably weighs more than that.

02:30:47.000 Which is kind of crazy.

02:30:49.000 But watch when he started connecting.

02:30:52.000 It's a quick fight, man.

02:30:54.000 It's a quick fight. 0.99

02:30:55.000 George Foreman was fucking terrifying. 0.98

02:30:57.000 Just go, like, deep into it, and you can watch the pummeling he gave him on the ropes. 0.99

02:31:02.000 It's horrendous, man.

02:31:03.000 Yeah, when he hit him, he just shook.

02:31:05.000 I remember this fight.

02:31:06.000 And he pushed him off, and boom, look at this.

02:31:08.000 Look at that.

02:31:09.000 That's like him hitting the heavy bag, and the guy's just like, what the hell? 0.99

02:31:12.000 Dude, look how fucking powerful Foreman was back then. 0.99

02:31:15.000 Look at that. 0.99

02:31:16.000 Oh my god.

02:31:17.000 That uppercut when Frazier collapses?

02:31:19.000 Dude!

02:31:20.000 Play that again.

02:31:21.000 This is insane.

02:31:22.000 He was just so murderous.

02:31:24.000 Oh my god.

02:31:25.000 You saw it.

02:31:25.000 Oh my god.

02:31:26.000 He was actually shook then, before he got that.

02:31:28.000 100%, man.

02:31:29.000 Boom! 0.99

02:31:29.000 But this last uppercut, here it is. 0.99

02:31:31.000 Boom! 0.99

02:31:32.000 I mean, come on.

02:31:33.000 It's incredible.

02:31:35.000 Foreman was so scary.

02:31:37.000 Look at his hips.

02:31:39.000 He's so scary.

02:31:41.000 Yeah, Joe Frazier took a horrible shot.

02:31:43.000 Now today they would probably stop the fight, I'd imagine, because he looked super wobbly.

02:31:47.000 Dang it.

02:31:47.000 But look at that.

02:31:48.000 He would miss out.

02:31:49.000 Right there they would stop the fight.

02:31:51.000 No, well, it was a quick knockout, man.

02:31:53.000 He got up.

02:31:54.000 That looked fake almost.

02:31:55.000 No, it didn't look fake at all.

02:31:57.000 No, man, you don't know what you're talking about.

02:31:59.000 He's wobbly because his central nervous system shut off.

02:32:02.000 He's wobbly because of what he took about 30 seconds ago.

02:32:05.000 Yeah.

02:32:06.000 Not because of what he just took right then.

02:32:08.000 Oh, but that was part of it.

02:32:09.000 That was like a cherry dropping on the top.

02:32:11.000 Yeah, but it didn't look fake.

02:32:12.000 It didn't look fake.

02:32:13.000 It was a guy who just...

02:32:14.000 I don't say it's fake, but I'm just saying...

02:32:16.000 I know what you're saying.

02:32:17.000 It looks weird.

02:32:18.000 Because they kept the match going, it didn't take much to finish it.

02:32:22.000 Right.

02:32:22.000 Boom.

02:32:24.000 Dude, he was terrifying.

02:32:25.000 Gosh.

02:32:25.000 Yeah, he's like, I don't want any more of these cinder blocks dropped on my face.

02:32:30.000 What was incredible is that, you know, Frazier had gone 15 rounds of Muhammad Ali.

02:32:35.000 Right.

02:32:35.000 And then you see that and you're like, wow, this is the scariest guy ever.

02:32:38.000 And that's why they thought that George Floyd was going to kill Muhammad Ali.

02:32:41.000 It was so depressing to people.

02:32:43.000 I remember when I was a kid, my parents loved Muhammad Ali.

02:32:47.000 It's like one of those things that people, the generation loved him because he didn't fight in the Vietnam War and he wanted to, like, protest against these senseless wars and so they stripped him of his title for three years.

02:32:58.000 He was a different guy.

02:33:00.000 He represented so much to people back then in some sort of a weird way.

02:33:05.000 So when he fought George Foreman, people were so terrified that he was going to get beat up that Hunter S. Thompson didn't watch the fight.

02:33:11.000 He was sent to Africa to watch the fight. 0.96

02:33:13.000 He had tickets to be ringside at the fucking fight to report for it for the Rolling Stone. 0.99

02:33:17.000 You know what he did? 1.00

02:33:18.000 He just fucked around and wore a Nixon mask and climbed to the swimming pool and hung out all day and drank. 1.00

02:33:24.000 He just did. 1.00

02:33:25.000 He's like, fuck this. 1.00

02:33:26.000 I'm not gonna go see that. 1.00

02:33:27.000 He was convinced that Muhammad Ali was gonna get killed.

02:33:29.000 And he loved Muhammad Ali.

02:33:31.000 He didn't want to see a legend die.

02:33:31.000 He didn't want to see it.

02:33:32.000 And he missed the greatest come-from-behind upset victory in arguably the history of the heavyweight division.

02:33:40.000 Even bigger than when he knocked out Sonny Liston to win the title. 0.99

02:33:43.000 That was a big upset because everybody thought that Sonny Liston was just this fucking killer and this young kid talked a lot of shit. 1.00

02:33:49.000 But once Sonny got a hold of him, he'd be fucked. 1.00

02:33:51.000 But nope. 1.00

02:33:51.000 Nope. 1.00

02:33:52.000 He boxed his face off.

02:33:53.000 So McConnor...

02:33:55.000 For Mayweather.

02:33:56.000 You don't know.

02:33:57.000 Because we've never seen Conor box.

02:33:58.000 What would you say?

02:33:59.000 Mayweather's a way better boxer.

02:34:01.000 But the consequences of Conor hitting you should be greater.

02:34:04.000 And I say should be.

02:34:05.000 Because I think he's certainly a stronger puncher than Mayweather, right?

02:34:09.000 Right.

02:34:09.000 I would agree.

02:34:10.000 But he has boxing gloves on.

02:34:12.000 How much more of an effect is his punch going to have when he has a giant padded glove?

02:34:18.000 I would assume there's going to be a diminishing...

02:34:22.000 For sure.

02:34:23.000 It would be less.

02:34:24.000 Yes, for sure.

02:34:25.000 But how much?

02:34:26.000 Also, the ability to block punches.

02:34:28.000 It's far easier to block punches when you have big gloves on.

02:34:33.000 Because when you have big gloves on, if you watch a guy like Floyd, he catches punches.

02:34:36.000 It's a shield.

02:34:37.000 Yes.

02:34:37.000 He catches punches, and he's...

02:34:39.000 Or even deflection.

02:34:40.000 And he's magical at moving away with them.

02:34:43.000 Like, he gets hit, he gets hit, and he's hopping away on his feet, so you're catching the end of shots.

02:34:47.000 I don't know.

02:34:49.000 Connor, as much as...

02:34:51.000 I mean, I'm not a UFC buff, but all I can say is I've seen Conor McGregor's shots go in when I didn't even know they were going there.

02:35:02.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

02:35:03.000 But again, a 4-ounce glove is lighter than an 8-ounce glove.

02:35:05.000 The punches are not going to be as fast.

02:35:06.000 If it's a 10-ounce glove, it's definitely slower than a 10-ounce glove.

02:35:10.000 That's a good separation of boxing versus UFC, then.

02:35:12.000 Well, there's also a good separation of the fact that there's many more openings when you have smaller gloves.

02:35:17.000 When you have smaller gloves, it's much more difficult to cover your face.

02:35:21.000 So, Conor has extraordinary power, he's got extraordinary movement, and he's bigger.

02:35:26.000 He's a far bigger guy.

02:35:27.000 I mean, he's a big-framed guy, and he's strong and young.

02:35:30.000 Floyd Mayweather is 40 years old.

02:35:32.000 He's arguably the greatest boxer of all time.

02:35:34.000 I mean, he's a phenomenal craftsman.

02:35:38.000 Like, the way he understands...

02:35:40.000 The art of hitting and not being hit is extraordinary because he's not running away from guys.

02:35:46.000 He'll stand right in front of you.

02:35:48.000 He's selective, right?

02:35:48.000 Yeah.

02:35:49.000 He'll stand right in front of you and be untouchable.

02:35:51.000 He's only been rocked, like legitimately rocked, maybe twice or three times in his whole career.

02:35:56.000 He's outstanding.

02:35:58.000 What if you took those away?

02:36:01.000 What if you took when he got rocked versus when Diaz choked him out?

02:36:09.000 What are you talking about?

02:36:10.000 We're talking about two different fighters.

02:36:11.000 What do you think?

02:36:12.000 When Conor McGregor got choked out by Nick Diaz or Floyd Mayweather got rocked?

02:36:17.000 No, I'm talking when Conor got hit pretty hard and he came back versus when Nate just choked him out.

02:36:24.000 If you eliminate Nate choking him out, do you think he's got the heart to...

02:36:29.000 To really stand through a full fight with Mayweather.

02:36:32.000 Well, he certainly does, because he went through a full fight with Nate Diaz.

02:36:35.000 He won the rematch in a five-round war.

02:36:38.000 Yeah, which was good.

02:36:39.000 You can never guess. 0.99

02:36:41.000 Anybody who guesses what a guy has as far as heart and determination, it's foolish. 0.77

02:36:45.000 He'll show you with his actions, or she'll show you with her actions. 0.86

02:36:48.000 You can't guess.

02:36:50.000 So whenever people guess, they start saying, like, oh, he'll never be able to survive a tough fight, or he doesn't have the guts.

02:36:55.000 Then you mistake...

02:36:57.000 Like, your understanding of what you see in front of you for what's going to happen.

02:37:01.000 And that's what a lot of people did with Muhammad Ali vs.

02:37:03.000 George Foreman.

02:37:04.000 It's a lot of people doing a lot of fights.

02:37:06.000 One of the things that makes this fight intriguing is we've never seen Floyd box a guy like Conor McGregor.

02:37:10.000 And we've definitely never seen Conor McGregor box, especially at a level that the UFC, or excuse me, that Floyd Mayweather was at.

02:37:16.000 So him coming from being a two-division UFC champion will help his confidence.

02:37:21.000 He'll be scary.

02:37:22.000 And one of the things that he said that's a psychological thing that no one could ever say to Floyd before...

02:37:27.000 He said, listen, he goes, the only reason why this thing is fair is because we're playing by boxing rules. 0.99

02:37:34.000 If it was a fight, I would fucking kill him. 0.99

02:37:37.000 Which is 100% accurate. 1.00

02:37:39.000 100% accurate.

02:37:40.000 But he said in saying that something no one's ever been able to say to Floyd. 1.00

02:37:44.000 I will fuck you up. 0.99

02:37:46.000 And Floyd's going to know that. 1.00

02:37:47.000 At any moment, if Conor wanted to just slide a little back and start kicking his face or kicking his legs out from under him, he wouldn't know what the fuck to do. 0.96

02:37:55.000 Do you think he knows how to block a wheel kick? 1.00

02:37:56.000 He's going to get kicked in the back of the fucking head. 1.00

02:37:58.000 Say Conor popped the referee and then just wheel kicked Mayweather. 1.00

02:38:03.000 You know, he would have to get close enough to him to do that, and it wouldn't be as easy as it seems.

02:38:08.000 But the distance between punching and kicking is pretty substantial.

02:38:12.000 And Conor closes that distance in a really fast and really spectacular way. 1.00

02:38:17.000 He comes at you with shit. 0.99

02:38:18.000 Front kicks to the body, and you're trying to figure out where he's coming and what he's coming with. 1.00

02:38:22.000 It's very unpredictable.

02:38:23.000 So I think in a boxing match, if you have $100 and you have to bet on someone, The odds are gonna most certainly favor Floyd Mayweather because it's a boxing match. 0.93

02:38:33.000 If it was a fight, it would be a hundred million to one that Conor McGregor would fuck him up.

02:38:38.000 I mean, I'm not exaggerating. 0.98

02:38:40.000 I'm putting my hundred on Conor.

02:38:41.000 Of course I'm exaggerating.

02:38:41.000 No one would give you those kind of odds.

02:38:43.000 I'm putting a hundred on Conor.

02:38:43.000 But it would definitely be something ridiculous if it was a fight.

02:38:46.000 Don't you think?

02:38:47.000 Like, what would it be?

02:38:48.000 It was a fight.

02:38:49.000 An MMA fight.

02:38:49.000 I don't know.

02:38:50.000 It would be a hundred million to one.

02:38:52.000 If I hadn't have seen Conor live...

02:38:56.000 If I hadn't have seen Connor live and how people's faces looked when they got tagged by him the first time, I would say I would put money on Mayweather based on what you just told everyone with $10 to do.

02:39:09.000 But the fact that I've seen people get cracked by him and I've seen their face...

02:39:15.000 Swell up.

02:39:16.000 Oh, yeah.

02:39:17.000 Buy him.

02:39:18.000 I don't know.

02:39:19.000 I think he's going to freaking rock him.

02:39:21.000 A lot of people in America do, and that's why we're going to sell it on Pay-Per-View.

02:39:24.000 John Dudley, Pay-Per-View.

02:39:26.000 Coming soon.

02:39:27.000 Apparently they're trying to do it instantly.

02:39:29.000 We got hogged to cook before I got a flight.

02:39:30.000 They're trying to do it in September.

02:39:32.000 So that's what I heard on the internet.

02:39:33.000 September now?

02:39:33.000 I know as much as you people know.

02:39:34.000 I just think if it does happen...

02:39:36.000 That's elk season.

02:39:37.000 Yeah, it'd be a problem.

02:39:38.000 It's better in June.

02:39:39.000 That's a problem.

02:39:40.000 Thank you, sir.

02:39:40.000 We gotta get out of here.

02:39:41.000 Fun times this weekend.

02:39:42.000 Yeah, we gotta cook up some wild pig. 1.00

02:39:44.000 Jamie, you're awesome.

02:39:44.000 Powerful Jamie.

02:39:45.000 I like that beard.

02:39:46.000 Powerful.

02:39:46.000 Matches his shirt and hat.

02:39:47.000 We'll be back tomorrow with Rob Wolf.

02:39:49.000 See you.

02:39:49.000 Bye.

02:39:49.000 Have the glitter.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 22, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #934 - John Dudley

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