The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #962 - Jocko Willink

00:00:11.000 Welcome back, Jocko.

00:00:12.000 What's happening, baby?

00:00:13.000 It's good to be here.

00:00:14.000 It's good to see you, man.

00:00:16.000 We were just talking about Chris Cornell.

00:00:17.000 We found out last night at the Comedy Store that he died, and then this morning found out that he hung himself.

00:00:22.000 Just... 1.00

00:00:25.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:00:26.000 It's... 1.00

00:00:26.000 It's hard to even comprehend. 1.00

00:00:29.000 How do you comprehend that?

00:00:30.000 I'm living in a parallel universe.

00:00:32.000 Doesn't make any sense.

00:00:33.000 Like, how could someone like...

00:00:34.000 You know, it's easy on the outside looking in at a guy like that, but you're like, that guy was one of the best ever.

00:00:40.000 Like, how does a guy like that even want to kill himself?

00:00:43.000 How does...

00:00:43.000 The lead singer of Soundgarden.

00:00:46.000 To me it just really kind of Reveals the complexities of human life.

00:00:51.000 Yeah exactly what you're saying to have a guy that is at the pinnacle of his skill the pinnacle of fame the pinnacle of money And and for him to say you know what not gonna do it anymore Yeah, I don't know what was going on in his head,

00:01:07.000 obviously.

00:01:08.000 Who knows?

00:01:09.000 If he was on medication, if he had some sort of an issue, a health issue, who knows?

00:01:13.000 I mean, I would never speculate, but I just don't understand.

00:01:18.000 I mean, again, I don't know his life, but I couldn't even comprehend.

00:01:21.000 I can't even imagine it.

00:01:23.000 Well, that's one of the really hard things when you start talking about suicide for people that, for someone like me, and I haven't had suicidal thoughts, right?

00:01:34.000 So when you go from that to somebody that not only has the thoughts, but then goes ahead and executes it, it's very hard to comprehend.

00:01:41.000 Yeah, I've met people that have done it before.

00:01:44.000 I've had a few friends that have done it.

00:01:46.000 I've never understood it.

00:01:47.000 I don't get it.

00:01:48.000 But I don't know them.

00:01:50.000 Everybody's got their own Unique mindset and it's just you you know, what's really crazy man is I've read the statistic the other day about suicide That people in poor neighborhoods are far less likely to kill themselves people that are in the struggle Yeah,

00:02:06.000 well, I actually believe that because they're fighting for something.

00:02:09.000 Yeah And someone that's already got everything and then they're then end up with no drive with no goal And nothing left to achieve and so then all of a sudden they're just staring at the mirror without anywhere else to go You know, I'm not talking about Chris Cornell in particular,

00:02:26.000 but for some people I know one of the things that happens is that when they become very successful and they're still not happy Then they get hopeless.

00:02:35.000 They just feel like well, I have everything and yet I'm fucking miserable You know, I have a nice big house.

00:02:41.000 I drive this fancy car and I still am miserable like there's no hope like this life is meaningless and I don't even know what to say to that. 0.80

00:02:49.000 I don't know what to say to that.

00:02:50.000 To be honest with you, you hear that and you just don't even know what to say to that.

00:02:54.000 You know one thing that why I don't understand it?

00:02:56.000 I like struggle.

00:02:58.000 I like it.

00:02:59.000 I think it's important.

00:03:00.000 Yeah, no, there's no doubt about that.

00:03:02.000 There's no doubt about having something that you're striving for, some goal.

00:03:05.000 And like you just said, when all those goals have been achieved, and now you're sitting there at the top of the mountain, and now you don't feel happy, what do you do? 0.98

00:03:12.000 Just pick up a fucking hobby, man. 0.99

00:03:14.000 Find something you suck at and get better at it. 1.00

00:03:17.000 I mean, that seems so simplistic. 0.94

00:03:19.000 But, you know, I just, you and I, we share this very important part of our lives, which is intense exercise.

00:03:28.000 Indeed.

00:03:28.000 And I think that, you know, I go to your Instagram almost every day to look at your watch.

00:03:33.000 It's hilarious. 0.99

00:03:34.000 If you go to Jocko's Instagram, it's a fucking Timex watch advertisement. 0.97

00:03:38.000 It's all just that Iron Man watch at 4.30 in the morning, the occasional 3.30. 1.00

00:03:43.000 This motherfucker's up at 3.30! 0.99

00:03:45.000 And, you know, and you working out. 1.00

00:03:47.000 Like, that's... 0.99

00:03:49.000 His fucking hairy gorilla arm and a Timex Ironman triathlon watch. 0.99

00:03:54.000 But that's what's up, man. 0.99

00:03:56.000 That's what's up. 0.99

00:03:56.000 I mean, just fucking doing it. 0.99

00:03:58.000 Getting out there and struggling. 0.99

00:03:59.000 And then once you do do that, here's the thing, like, you know, like a friend of mine said that. 0.98

00:04:04.000 Like, I was saying something about you coming on the podcast and he goes, can that dude take another picture of his fucking watch? 0.99

00:04:10.000 I go, I hope he takes a picture of his watch every day until he dies. 0.99

00:04:13.000 I go, it's important.

00:04:15.000 It's important.

00:04:16.000 It's sort of, in a lot of ways, it's symbolic of what we're talking about. 0.98

00:04:20.000 Like, no, it's not fun to look at your watch every day, but you're fucking doing it every day. 0.97

00:04:25.000 Like, that's what's important. 0.95

00:04:27.000 Yeah, and I actually, early on, I had someone, you know, say something along the lines of on social media, on Instagram or on Twitter, you know, oh, you're just going to post another picture you're watching.

00:04:35.000 I was like, unfollow me.

00:04:37.000 Like, just don't follow me.

00:04:39.000 It's no big deal.

00:04:39.000 I'm not making you do it.

00:04:41.000 And now it is kind of turned into something where I'm doing it every day, regardless of anything else in the world. 1.00

00:04:47.000 Fuck them! 1.00

00:04:48.000 I like looking at your watch. 1.00

00:04:50.000 I want to know when I get up at 7 and I think I'm getting up early that you've been up for hours and you're already done working out.

00:04:55.000 I like it.

00:04:58.000 But it is, in a lot of ways, it's symbolic of what we're talking about.

00:05:02.000 It's the struggle.

00:05:04.000 Yeah, and you know who doesn't complain about it?

00:05:05.000 And I always make this point, too.

00:05:06.000 There's like a single mom somewhere in the valley here that's working three jobs that's getting up at 3.30 in the morning so she can go work as a waitress somewhere before she's got her other day job that she's got to go through so she can feed her kids. 1.00

00:05:20.000 I get up almost as a luxury at this point.

00:05:23.000 I mean, I'm a retired guy from the military, so I can kind of get up whenever I want.

00:05:28.000 I get up early as a luxury.

00:05:30.000 Sort of but you also get up because that's who you are Yeah, and I get up because it is it is a way to maintain discipline in life for sure to get that stone out and sharpen that blade every morning It's the grind that sharpens the axe,

00:05:46.000 indeed.

00:05:47.000 There's no other way.

00:05:48.000 There's no other way.

00:05:49.000 And I don't want to say that this would have saved Chris Cornell or anybody else that did it.

00:05:52.000 I'm not saying that.

00:05:53.000 But I mean, for some people out there that aren't feeling good, man, if you just fucking struggled more, you get over that struggle, you feel better. 0.54

00:06:00.000 It sounds so simplistic, but I swear by it. 0.90

00:06:03.000 I felt shitty myself and then forced myself to work out.

00:06:07.000 And after I get out of there, I'm like, what?

00:06:09.000 100%.

00:06:09.000 It's a 100% guarantee.

00:06:11.000 Actually, I had Tim Ferriss come on my podcast, and when he came on, he was like, hey, I don't know if I'm the right kind of guest for your podcast, because my podcast is about war and death and killing and all that stuff, and so Tim's are about being better and stuff like that,

00:06:26.000 so it's easy to contract.

00:06:28.000 Okay, you raised your voice.

00:06:29.000 Tim's about being better.

00:06:31.000 Tim's podcast is about improving yourself, and mine is about war and genocide and horrible things.

00:06:36.000 And he said to me, you know, hey, I don't know if I'd come on the podcast, but, you know, maybe I'm not the right type of guest or whatever.

00:06:41.000 And I wrote back to him, and I said, hey, man, you know, you've been through some dark stuff in your life because he wrote a blog post years ago about him being suicidal and him contemplating and planning to commit suicide.

00:06:52.000 This is Tim Ferriss.

00:06:53.000 Did he really?

00:06:54.000 Yeah.

00:06:54.000 He went through full motions.

00:06:56.000 You know, typical Tim Ferriss methodology.

00:06:58.000 What did he do?

00:06:59.000 He went to the library and got out a bunch of books on killing yourself and then did the research on how he was going to do it and planned it all.

00:07:05.000 When was this?

00:07:06.000 How long ago?

00:07:07.000 He was just done with college.

00:07:10.000 And so, I mean, what is that?

00:07:11.000 What is he, 35 or something?

00:07:12.000 So maybe it's 26. 15 years ago, and he was under all this pressure.

00:07:17.000 You know, he was an Ivy League guy, and he was trying to finish school, but then it wasn't working out, and it was just problematic, and so he started saying to himself, okay, well, how am I getting out of this?

00:07:25.000 Well, there's one way to get out of it, and luckily, he didn't do it, but when he came on, you know, that's what we talked about, and what he said, you know, as he was making recommendations from, again, from a guy who's been there, Was like, hey, if you're trapped in your mind and you're starting to feel that way,

00:07:41.000 go do something physical.

00:07:43.000 Get in your body, get out of your mind.

00:07:44.000 The same thing you're saying.

00:07:45.000 When you're feeling bad, when you're feeling down, go out and swing a kettlebell around and you will feel better.

00:07:51.000 Yeah, this is just too much.

00:07:52.000 For some people especially, they're just experiencing way too much pressure.

00:07:56.000 And that pressure, a lot of times, it's just an imbalance in perspective.

00:08:01.000 And some of it's important.

00:08:02.000 Like, I was talking to this mom once.

00:08:04.000 Her daughter does... 0.86

00:08:06.000 Gymnastics with my daughter and we were talking about kids killing themselves where she used to live She used to live in one of the really wealthy tech areas outside of San Francisco and a bunch of kids that went to school with her daughter that were like 15 16 were jumping off bridges and shit like it was a Like an epidemic and they were trying to figure out what the fuck is going on and they're literally calling it affluenza That these affluent kids and their families are literally worth a billion dollars. 0.95

00:08:34.000 I mean, everybody's super rich, and they're having this insane pressure before high school and in high school to be in Ivy League schools and to get 4.0s, and they're not having any fun, and they're not experiencing life, and they don't have any hope, 0.98

00:08:50.000 and their parents are all on fucking pills, and they're just killing themselves. 0.74

00:08:53.000 Yeah, and as you said, it really is a piece of perspective because if you think about when you watch one of your buddies go down the downward spiral, maybe it's not to suicide, but whether it's drug addiction, a lot of times some female, the girlfriend, the ex-wife will just take them on the downward spiral and they can't get out of it. 0.99

00:09:11.000 And if they were to step back, if it was you and your buddy watching one of your other friends go down the spiral, they'd go, oh my God.

00:09:16.000 I can't believe he's doing that.

00:09:17.000 That's crazy But when you're in that spiral people get caught in that and they can't they can't get the perspective of what it looks like from the outside Yeah, it's hard for people to break momentum to momentum That's good momentum or meant to momentum this bad momentum when I get a like when I get on a good groove or working out all the time I feel it like after I'm done working out.

00:09:36.000 I'm like, yeah I can't wait to get in there again.

00:09:37.000 I can't wait to work out again.

00:09:38.000 That's the good momentum.

00:09:40.000 But then there's that bad momentum like you get injured or something like that and you can't do anything for a couple weeks and then to try to get that kickstart that motor up again, it's hard to get momentum.

00:09:51.000 I've caught some some flack for saying there was these big science experiments or something and they said that willpower Dissipates throughout the day and the more decisions you have to make the weaker you get throughout the day and I think that's BS I agree with what you're saying which is We're good to go.

00:10:30.000 Fats are starting to look pretty good, and then the next thing you know, it's pizza, and then when you get home at night, you're just watching TV, and that can continue on for days, and then days turn into weeks, and then the next thing you know, you're fat and out of shape. 0.63

00:10:41.000 Yeah, and then on top of that, if they did do that study, like, really, I want to know what those people were eating, because that's a big factor, too, because there's a lot of people that are eating shit food, and then by the end of the day, your body's in a crisis. 0.99

00:10:52.000 Your body's just processing all this bullshit. 0.98

00:10:55.000 Yeah, and people ask me that too. 1.00

00:10:56.000 They go, you know, how much do you sleep?

00:10:58.000 First of all, I get asked all the time.

00:10:59.000 So I go to bed around 11. I wake up around 4.30 every day.

00:11:01.000 So that's five and a half hours.

00:11:03.000 Sometimes I sleep more than that.

00:11:04.000 Sometimes I go to bed at 10, 10.30, 11. Sometimes I stay up later.

00:11:07.000 But when the person says to me, oh, you know, I can't do that.

00:11:10.000 I feel horrible.

00:11:10.000 How can I feel better?

00:11:11.000 And my first question is like, well, what are you eating?

00:11:13.000 What are you eating?

00:11:14.000 Because if you're eating Cheetos and chocolate chip cookies for lunch, there's no way you're going to feel good.

00:11:18.000 And I don't care if you slept 12 hours the night before.

00:11:21.000 Yeah, it's a giant factor. 0.99

00:11:23.000 And if you're eating a big, like, bullshit lunch filled with nonsense, like, your body's got to process all that stuff. 0.96

00:11:30.000 And so at the end of the day, yeah, you're going to lose your willpower. 0.99

00:11:32.000 So, like, when five o'clock, six o'clock rolls around, you're going to be tired.

00:11:35.000 But if you have a healthy lunch, and, you know, you're properly fueled, and then you also have positive people in your life, everyone's motivated, by the end of the day, you're going to feel good.

00:11:46.000 Like, say if you're doing jujitsu with a bunch of other people that are doing jujitsu, Everybody's enjoying it.

00:11:50.000 You're looking forward to that 6.30 class.

00:11:52.000 Everybody's fired up.

00:11:53.000 You get out of work. 0.99

00:11:54.000 You're fucking pumped, man. 0.99

00:11:55.000 When you get out of work, you're fueling up with water. 0.99

00:11:58.000 You're trying to get some electrolytes in you because you know you're going to get out there on the mats and you're going to sweat it out.

00:12:02.000 Yeah, and the thing you got to do, too, is...

00:12:04.000 When you get done with work and it was a grind and you ate crappy food and whatever happened happened and you got yelled at by your boss or whatever, and the real easy decision is to be like, I'm not going to go train tonight.

00:12:15.000 Those are the nights you've got to train because that is going to kick you back onto track real quick.

00:12:18.000 When you get in there and you see your boys and they're getting ready to tear you up on the mats, and that's going to get you on track as opposed to going home and watching TV, which isn't going to do anything for you. 0.97

00:12:27.000 Yeah, and if jiu-jitsu's not your thing, whatever the fuck your thing is, just go and do it. 0.96

00:12:31.000 Just force yourself to do it. 1.00

00:12:32.000 And if you feel like shit because you ate lunch, then your lunch was, you know, filled with bullshit, well then, hey dummy, don't eat shitty lunch tomorrow. 1.00

00:12:40.000 Tomorrow try a nice salad. 1.00

00:12:41.000 You know, try a salad with some salmon and see how you feel then.

00:12:45.000 You're like, hey, I feel way better today at six o'clock.

00:12:47.000 Duh! 1.00

00:12:48.000 Yeah, now your decision-making will be better.

00:12:50.000 Like, people don't understand how significant it is. 0.99

00:12:53.000 Like, all these little decisions, those are like, that's the path for the rest And if you decide to go to fucking Cheetos chocolate chip cookie route, you're just making a shit path. 0.99

00:13:05.000 You're carving your fucking path through broken rocks and glass and it's not the way to go. 0.99

00:13:09.000 Yeah, there's no doubt that the life change decision isn't one big decision that you make. 1.00

00:13:14.000 It's all these little tiny decisions.

00:13:15.000 It's, you know, having a salad instead of Cheetos.

00:13:18.000 That's what it is on a daily basis.

00:13:20.000 And if you think about that, And then you just make the right decision on those little things, that's where the change happens.

00:13:27.000 Yeah, if you just reach in your refrigerator, you see the Coca-Cola right next to the water, just go like that.

00:13:31.000 Grab that water.

00:13:33.000 Just do it.

00:13:34.000 I know you don't want to, but just do it. 0.99

00:13:35.000 And you're like, I fucking did it. 0.97

00:13:36.000 I grabbed the water. 0.99

00:13:37.000 Listen, water doesn't taste good compared to Coca-Cola if your body is like craving that heroin of Coca-Cola.

00:13:45.000 But the reality is, if you were out in the desert and you saw a cold bottle of water, you'd be so excited for that water.

00:13:53.000 You'd be like, oh, it would be the most delicious thing ever.

00:13:55.000 But when you're at a restaurant, you're like, oh, you got any lemonade?

00:13:58.000 Oh, you know, I want a soda.

00:13:59.000 I want some mouth pleasure. 0.83

00:14:01.000 And if you've ever been truly thirsty before, like in the desert where you haven't had water or you didn't bring enough water and you're really thirsty, Coke isn't even appealing at that point.

00:14:10.000 No, it's nasty.

00:14:11.000 You get to feel what it really is.

00:14:13.000 You get in that mode where you've been truly thirsty, which I've been before.

00:14:16.000 Not like I was going to die, but I've been close to getting some sort of a heat stroke scenario happening and then got to a stream, pumped the water, drank the water, and that's the most beautiful thing in the world when you don't have water and you get it.

00:14:30.000 Yeah, I bet more so, even if you're getting it from a stream and then pumping it through a filter and you're just getting it right out of the earth.

00:14:34.000 So good.

00:14:36.000 It's what you're supposed to have, folks.

00:14:38.000 I think people are supposed to struggle.

00:14:40.000 I think there's a part of us that longs for the old times when we were just some sort of primitive monkey people running away from animals.

00:14:48.000 That's still in our DNA. There's no doubt that you have an instinct.

00:14:51.000 I mean, that's why we play sports, right?

00:14:53.000 You play sports because you want to compete with people and look at the rise of UFC. Why is that?

00:14:58.000 Because that's the most primal sport you can possibly come up with, is I'm going to fight you.

00:15:01.000 That's what we're going to do in a cage.

00:15:03.000 So why is that so popular?

00:15:04.000 We still have that instinct that we want to fight, we want to struggle, we want to survive.

00:15:08.000 Yeah, Dana White and I have talked about this so many times that it transcends every language.

00:15:13.000 Cricket is so giant in England, right?

00:15:16.000 And in India. 1.00

00:15:17.000 Try putting that shit on TV in America. 1.00

00:15:19.000 We'll be like, bitch, get that fucking stupid paddle game off TV. What the fuck are you doing? 1.00

00:15:25.000 We don't even know what's going on. 1.00

00:15:26.000 Or conversely, baseball.

00:15:28.000 You play baseball to some country that doesn't accept baseball.

00:15:31.000 They're like, what is this nonsense?

00:15:32.000 This takes forever.

00:15:34.000 You know, I mean, the real sport of MMA, like, is not, I mean, it is unquestionably, it's a sport, and there are rules, but it transcends.

00:15:43.000 You know what's happening.

00:15:44.000 You might not understand the ground that much when submissions, but when you see a guy turning red, because the other guy's behind him, choking the fucking life out of him, you get it. 0.97

00:15:53.000 You see what's happening. 0.95

00:15:54.000 You understand it.

00:15:55.000 That's another cool thing.

00:15:56.000 If you ever teach kids jujitsu, it's so awesome to say, no, you want to put this guy down.

00:16:02.000 And that's all you need to say.

00:16:03.000 They go, okay.

00:16:04.000 And then you give them a little taste of information, like if you grab their legs and push them, they'll fall down.

00:16:11.000 And that's all you need to tell them.

00:16:12.000 And then they'll be basically doing double leg takedowns instinctively.

00:16:17.000 And it's savage.

00:16:18.000 It's beautiful.

00:16:19.000 It is beautiful.

00:16:19.000 Beautiful.

00:16:19.000 But you can't do that with, you know, with a regular sport like baseball.

00:16:22.000 Okay, what you're gonna do is you're gonna have this guy throw the ball to you three times.

00:16:25.000 Every time you swing, if he misses, that goes to him.

00:16:28.000 Right.

00:16:28.000 How's that work?

00:16:29.000 No.

00:16:29.000 Yeah.

00:16:30.000 Well, it's also that something feels good about, like, choking somebody.

00:16:34.000 You know?

00:16:35.000 It's just there's something about it.

00:16:36.000 Like, even if you're not hurting him, I mean, it just feels good.

00:16:39.000 It feels like you're supposed to do it.

00:16:42.000 I mean, maybe it's just you and I. You know, I think anybody I think anybody that that tries it and gets that that's why that's why jujitsu is getting so popular Because you take a random person on the street male female 10 years old 20 years old 40 years old You put them and you say okay when you get them this other person in this position right here And you get their arm around you get your arm around their neck You can kill them or you can accept you can accept their tap and you can have mercy on them That's

00:17:12.000 a powerful feeling.

00:17:13.000 It really is a powerful feeling.

00:17:15.000 You know, another thing that's powerful about it is that two guys can be friends and practice killing each other and not even hurt each other.

00:17:21.000 Yeah.

00:17:21.000 Like, I'm sure you've recognized that, like, I feel better working out with black belts.

00:17:27.000 I feel safer training with guys that are, like, super high level than I do with even guys that are, like, an athletic white belt that might spaz out and accidentally headbutt me.

00:17:36.000 Yeah, and I mean I get asked that question all the time too is people say hey am I too old to start jiu-jitsu?

00:17:40.000 I'm 52 years old I'm 49 years old and what I tell them is you're not too old You're definitely not too old but you need to be smart and one of the smartest decisions you need to make is choosing your training partners and And you don't want to train if you're a 52-year-old guy that's never trained before, and you're a white belt, 0.82

00:17:56.000 and you're going to get on the mat.

00:17:57.000 The person you don't want to train with is the other white belt that's 22 years old, that's on steroids, that's going to go psycho, and he just doesn't know how to control his body. 1.00

00:18:08.000 Whereas the black belt, the percentage chance of you being hurt by a black belt, if you're a white belt that's just... 0.83

00:18:16.000 Nearly zero.

00:18:17.000 Nearly zero.

00:18:18.000 If it's a legit black belt.

00:18:19.000 Yeah.

00:18:20.000 I teach my kids' class sometimes.

00:18:21.000 My kid takes a mixed martial arts class, and the instructor asked me to come in and demonstrate one particular type of move the other day.

00:18:29.000 And so I demonstrated it, and we were talking about some different positions that are important for kids to recognize, like how to make sure you don't get...

00:18:37.000 Kids were giving up their back when they were trying to pass guard.

00:18:39.000 They were trying to pass guard and they were pushing down.

00:18:42.000 And I'm like, you never want to turn your shoulder like that because I had explained to them the arm drag.

00:18:45.000 So I'm explaining to these kids the arm drag.

00:18:47.000 And you see their little brain spinning, man.

00:18:49.000 And you see them practicing on each other.

00:18:51.000 And they're laughing.

00:18:52.000 They're girls. 1.00

00:18:54.000 So you're watching these eight-year-old girls having the best time choking each other and everything and going through these motions. 0.99

00:19:02.000 To me, I think it's fucking awesome, man. 0.98

00:19:05.000 These kids do it all the time. 0.97

00:19:06.000 No one's getting hurt.

00:19:07.000 They're having a great time with each other.

00:19:09.000 It's just this primal release. 0.99

00:19:12.000 Let's get all that shit out of there, and then you can be civil. 0.98

00:19:15.000 Yeah, well, even if there's no jujitsu instruction involved and there's no mats around and you take two kids and you put them in the yard, eventually they're gonna start wrestling with each other. 0.99

00:19:25.000 Especially boys.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, boys for sure.

00:19:28.000 Boys for sure.

00:19:29.000 I was at a party once with my kids and these two boys started going at it and neither one of them had any training, you could tell, but it's just natural.

00:19:36.000 They're getting their hips low, and they're trying to push each other, and they're trying to figure it out, and neither one of them knew what to do.

00:19:42.000 And I kind of wanted to go up and start coaching them, but they're just playing in the grass.

00:19:47.000 It's fascinating to see just natural human instincts.

00:19:51.000 Yeah, and that's the other thing I've noticed in teaching kids jiu-jitsu is...

00:19:56.000 The kids that are a little bit more cerebral, you know, the parents will think, well, you know, my son, he's kind of a nerd, he's kind of a smart kid, I don't know if he's going to like this, but the opposite is actually true very often, where the kid that's cerebral, he'll recognize, as soon as you show him three things,

00:20:12.000 like you said, his wheels are turning, he's going, wait a second, this is a skill I can learn, and if I know this, and the other guy doesn't know this, I'll be able to beat him.

00:20:20.000 And so cerebral kids often...

00:20:23.000 Get into it even more than than you know some kid.

00:20:26.000 That's just kind of a natural bruiser.

00:20:27.000 Oh, yeah That mean Tenth Planet Jiu Jitsu is filled with nerds.

00:20:31.000 They're all nerds.

00:20:32.000 They're assassin nerds It's really kind of interesting it is and and you're you're you're not being facetious when you use the word assassin nerds because you know this is you know if you go back before you knew Jiu Jitsu before I knew Jiu Jitsu before I knew Jiu Jitsu and you know I was a big Navy SEAL 200 pounds and One of those kids that's 145 pounds would absolutely have destroyed me if we got into a fight.

00:20:56.000 Boom! 0.99

00:20:56.000 Take my back, put me to sleep. 0.99

00:20:57.000 You know what I mean? 0.93

00:20:58.000 I might, you know, put up an okay fight and hit him one time in the side of the head, and then he's in on my back and put me to sleep.

00:21:05.000 That's the reality. 0.98

00:21:06.000 Nerd assassins. 0.97

00:21:08.000 Coming at you strong. 0.99

00:21:09.000 Well, it is.

00:21:10.000 I mean, it's a complex game of kinetic chess.

00:21:13.000 I mean, it's more complex than chess because, you know, in chess you've got these different pieces and they're restricted in their movements.

00:21:20.000 Jiu Jitsu is not restricted in its movement and every transition has so many different possibilities and so many different setups.

00:21:27.000 There's so many different times you get led one way and then just to get you to defend so that they can establish a second position and they get you to defend that so they can establish a third position.

00:21:37.000 Yeah, and that part of it is is what I think really for me transferred from jiu-jitsu to not only to the battlefield but to life as well because The big thing in jiu-jitsu from my perspective is that you don't go Strength against strength right if I'm I don't if I'm trying to choke you I don't try and choke you overtly I don't just grab your neck no I work on your arm and I put pressure over here and I pass your guard and then I Eventually while you're thinking about something else boom.

00:22:04.000 That's when I grab your neck or that's when I grab your arm and And that's what I think on the battlefield You know you can't you just don't attack hardened positions of the enemy and in life You know if you're trying to be a leader you're trying to step up and lead somebody you don't just come down and bark orders at people because that's not as effective as Maneuvering and adjusting your position and getting in a better position and then getting that person to give you what you want instead of trying to take it from them Yeah,

00:22:30.000 that's a really important lesson for parenthood.

00:22:33.000 Like, you can't just tell kids what to do.

00:22:35.000 You know, like, just do it because I told you to do it. 1.00

00:22:37.000 They're like, fuck you, I'm going to be a hooker. 1.00

00:22:41.000 Yeah, and that applies not only to kids. 1.00

00:22:44.000 You're 100% it applies to kids, but it applies to adults as well.

00:22:47.000 And that is people need to understand why they're doing what they're doing.

00:22:49.000 And, you know, if I want you to go take down some building and capture some bad guy, I don't go, hey, hey, Joe.

00:22:55.000 I want you to go take down this building.

00:22:56.000 I want you to capture this bad guy.

00:22:57.000 These are the guys I want you to take with you.

00:22:58.000 Here's the route I want you to take in.

00:23:00.000 Here's the methodology I want you to use for the clearance.

00:23:02.000 Because then when I send you to go do that mission, it's not your mission.

00:23:05.000 It's my mission.

00:23:06.000 I came up with a plan.

00:23:07.000 You didn't.

00:23:08.000 So you might have thought there was a better way to do it, or you might have had a different idea of how to get it done.

00:23:12.000 And now when you go out there and you meet some kind of resistance, whether it's an obstacle you didn't expect, or whether it's some scenario that you didn't foresee...

00:23:19.000 Instead of you trying to overcome it, you just blame me. 0.99

00:23:21.000 You just look, Jocko came up with this stupid plan, and here we are. 1.00

00:23:24.000 It's failing. 1.00

00:23:25.000 Forget it.

00:23:25.000 We're going back.

00:23:26.000 We're not going to carry out the mission.

00:23:27.000 Whereas if I said, hey, Joe, here's what I want you to do.

00:23:31.000 Go figure out the best way to do it.

00:23:32.000 And now you come up with a plan.

00:23:34.000 And now you make up all the methodology of how you're gonna get it done, and you decide who you're gonna take with you.

00:23:38.000 Now it's your plan.

00:23:40.000 You own that plan.

00:23:41.000 And when you go out in the field and you meet a little resistance, guess what you do?

00:23:44.000 You say, I'm gonna find a way around it.

00:23:45.000 I'm gonna overcome this.

00:23:46.000 I'm gonna overcome that obstacle.

00:23:47.000 I'm gonna make it happen.

00:23:48.000 And that's another piece of leadership, and it's the exact same thing with kids.

00:23:51.000 If you tell your kid, you know, you will get good grades in school, That means nothing to them, but if you explain to them hey I would love for you to get good grades and here's why it's gonna open opportunities for you in the future It's gonna allow you to be able to outsmart people because you have more knowledge than them and then you're gonna be able to end up making more money Which is actually give you more freedom in the long run instead of doing a job that you don't want to do If you explain all those things to a kid,

00:24:15.000 it's going to be a lot more successful than just, do what I told you, get good grades because I said so.

00:24:19.000 Now, when you do these conferences where you speak at businesses and they bring you in to have these leadership meetings, what would you call them?

00:24:30.000 Yeah, they're leadership seminars.

00:24:32.000 Seminars.

00:24:32.000 Yeah.

00:24:32.000 Now, when you have these seminars, are these some of the principles that you discuss when you talk about...

00:24:37.000 Absolutely.

00:24:37.000 Yeah?

00:24:38.000 Absolutely.

00:24:38.000 Because that's another big piece of this is that all these ideas about interacting with human beings, they just don't change.

00:24:45.000 Like, there's little variance, but whether you're dealing with kids or whether you're dealing with adults and whether you're dealing with business people, whether you're dealing with soldiers on the battlefield...

00:24:53.000 The leadership principles, they don't change.

00:24:56.000 And therefore, you can, whether you're trying to get people to go out and capture and kill a bad guy, or whether you're trying to get them to build some product and sell it, the principles of leadership don't change.

00:25:07.000 You're still trying to get a bunch of totally independent people, right?

00:25:11.000 And that's one of the myths we have to overcome a lot, because everyone thinks, oh, and the military is just like a robot, and that's just not true.

00:25:17.000 Everybody in the military is free.

00:25:19.000 They're people.

00:25:20.000 They're free thinking people and they're gonna come up with their own ideas They're gonna have with their own agendas and they're gonna think of ways to do things that they think are better than yours So you can have all these independent free thinkers and you got to get them on board with the same plan to you To go out and execute and so it doesn't matter if you're on the battlefield or in business That's what that's what you're trying to get done and the leadership principles don't change To me,

00:25:40.000 as a person who's never been in the military, that's one of the fascinating aspects of how it works, is how do you get all these different people to follow through on a plan, and who are the leaders, and why do the leaders have the right ideas, and who educates them to having the right ideas?

00:25:57.000 I know that a lot of people are excited about where the military is right now, like Tim Kennedy re-enlisted.

00:26:03.000 Yeah.

00:26:03.000 God bless him.

00:26:04.000 Yeah, he re-enlisted because he believes that the military has support now and look, Tim Kennedy believes he was put on this earth to kill bad guys and that's what he wants to do.

00:26:12.000 I think I agree with Tim Kennedy.

00:26:14.000 I think I agree with him too.

00:26:16.000 For sure.

00:26:16.000 Obviously he enjoys it.

00:26:19.000 I mean, he's not fucking around. 0.99

00:26:21.000 He went back in. 0.99

00:26:22.000 He put his money where his mouth is.

00:26:24.000 And in his eyes, this is the way that it should have been.

00:26:31.000 That you should give the military the chance to do their job.

00:26:34.000 That's their idea.

00:26:35.000 And then other people believe that there should be much more civilian oversight, and there should be much more checks and balances before things get done.

00:26:43.000 This is a big debate that's going on today.

00:26:46.000 Well, I think there's two different things that you just talked about.

00:26:48.000 That is what the military gets told to do and how they do it.

00:26:53.000 And those are two different things.

00:26:54.000 And I think that, yes, absolutely, the civilians should control and do control the military, by the way.

00:27:01.000 They do control.

00:27:02.000 The civilians are under control, or the military's under control of civilians.

00:27:05.000 And yet, once you say, okay, this is what we want to have happen, you need to let the military professionals figure out how they're going to go and make it happen.

00:27:14.000 Yeah, that's that's where it gets tricky, right?

00:27:16.000 Because if you're in that like one of the things that was explained to me by a friend who's a Navy SEAL He was saying that when something needs to get done and you have all these people that are telling you how you can do it how you can't do it like in people that are not in Experiencing combat and don't understand what what could or could not go sideways Like to put more problems in place or to put more checks and balances in place You're actually gonna put these people in more danger that that is true

00:27:46.000 Yeah, you should like I said if you let the civilians decide what it is that needs to be accomplished and then the military leaders decide How they're gonna go ahead and make that that happen and I mean it goes back to it goes back to Vietnam You know there was too much civilian oversight of what was happening in Vietnam and the military leaders were They didn't really have the wherewithal,

00:28:10.000 not even the wherewithal, they didn't have the free reign to go out and try and make things happen the way they wanted to, and it ended up in a big quagmire. 0.89

00:28:16.000 Well, Vietnam seems like, to me, from an outsider, to be one of the most fucked up wars ever. 0.98

00:28:21.000 Absolutely. 0.88

00:28:22.000 Because it didn't totally make sense that it was happening, and then now we know that the Gulf of Tonkin was very likely a false flag, and that there was some sort of motivation to get there in the first place.

00:28:32.000 And then you're dealing with guerrilla warfare for the first time ever in U.S. history.

00:28:36.000 Like, they didn't exactly know how to handle this.

00:28:39.000 No, we didn't.

00:28:40.000 And we didn't adapt very well to what was happening on the ground, which is always going to be problematic if you have close-minded people in the military.

00:28:48.000 If people are close-minded, you're not going to be able to move forward when the battlefield changes.

00:28:53.000 And the battlefield changes all the time.

00:28:55.000 I mean, you can look at Iraq.

00:28:56.000 Iraq, the battlefield changed drastically from this big conventional force that we went up there to fight against Saddam's big army.

00:29:02.000 Well, once that fell apart, then what happened?

00:29:04.000 Now all of a sudden we were facing guerrillas again and an insurgency and it took us several years to change our strategy from We didn't even know what to do.

00:29:12.000 Oh my god.

00:29:13.000 You know, what do we do?

00:29:14.000 There's all these people running around What do we do with these all these people running around and how do we get these people under control and and the civilians want us here?

00:29:20.000 And and yet if we don't do the right thing now the civilians don't want us here What do we need to do?

00:29:25.000 So it took us some time to adjust our strategy in Iraq and Luckily, we had some good leaders that that went ahead and made those changes Isn't it also that when when you're in war and though the strategy and not the strategy But the motivation is very clear like if you fight against Hitler's army in World War two Yeah,

00:29:41.000 this is very clear that you're dealing with an evil force Whereas in Vietnam. 0.98

00:29:45.000 It's like wait a minute.

00:29:46.000 Why are we here like what's going on the communism what's happening?

00:29:50.000 extremely extremely challenging no doubt and that That is why and you know, I've talked about this before if if America Any nation is gonna go to war you have to decide that this is the most important thing in the world You have to and the wills that I talked about that you have to have to execute this war you got to have you got to have the will to kill people in any Again,

00:30:15.000 I say this all the time.

00:30:16.000 No one wants to hear it because it's ugly and horrible. 0.93

00:30:19.000 But when you say you're gonna kill people in war, you're not just gonna be able to perfectly kill just the bad guys. 0.99

00:30:25.000 Civilians are going to die. 1.00

00:30:27.000 It is a nightmare.

00:30:29.000 Kids, women, it's horrible. 1.00

00:30:31.000 It's awful. 0.98

00:30:32.000 And if you think, oh, I'm gonna go to war and we're just gonna kill the bad guys, it's not gonna happen.

00:30:36.000 War is too complex.

00:30:38.000 It's just not gonna be saying like, hey, I'm gonna go and fight in the UFC and I'm not gonna get hit.

00:30:42.000 It's not gonna happen.

00:30:43.000 You're gonna get hit, you're gonna get bruised up, you're gonna get dinged, and it's the same thing in war. 0.98

00:30:47.000 So you have to have the will to kill people.

00:30:50.000 Of course, it's easy to have the will to kill the bad guys, but then you have to accept the fact that some innocent people are going to die, and that is gonna be awful.

00:30:57.000 And then on the other side of the coin is, of course, if you're gonna send people to war, people, Americans, are gonna die.

00:31:04.000 And there's nothing you can do about it.

00:31:06.000 You have to accept that fact.

00:31:08.000 And, you know, that's why Vietnam was just the ultimate tragedy in many respects, because we were killing a lot of civilians, we were losing a lot of Americans, but we weren't progressing the way we needed to.

00:31:20.000 It's a nightmare.

00:31:21.000 I agree with you 100%.

00:31:22.000 What do you think about transparency?

00:31:24.000 Like when the Bush administration wouldn't let them take photographs of coffins and send them home, like a lot of people are really upset because there's a lot of people that felt like, look, Americans should know that there's a cost to this and they should know that there's consequences to these actions.

00:31:40.000 And they were saying that these consequences and knowing about these consequences could Lesson morale, could lessen support back at home when they really need it?

00:31:48.000 And the people didn't really need to know this.

00:31:49.000 What they need to know is we're on the right track and we're doing well.

00:31:52.000 Yeah, that's a tough one.

00:31:54.000 And whether it's the right decision to keep the Americans in their beautiful bubble that they live in and let them know that this war is happening, but you don't have to see The the brave Americans coming home that have sacrificed their lives and interestingly if you remember I think it was Tarawa the Battle of Tarawa in World War two and For the first time so we were we needed money to run World War two a lot of money war bonds and all that and we were kind of falling behind and we needed some money and one of the first times that they released a

00:32:24.000 lot of pictures of American dead Americans was I think it was the Battle of Tarawa and There was all these Americans washing up on the beach.

00:32:33.000 I mean Marines that had drowned and got shot and it was awful But they did it for a reason they did it to show like hey, this is real.

00:32:40.000 This is happening We need to put pitch in we need money.

00:32:43.000 We need to you know save Save meat. 0.84

00:32:46.000 Save oil.

00:32:48.000 Don't use your cars.

00:32:49.000 We all need to get in for the big win, right?

00:32:52.000 And that's the opposite of what we're talking about when they're saying, hey, you're not allowed to take pictures of dead Americans that are being killed.

00:32:59.000 And, you know, I think there should be some level of transparency there when...

00:33:04.000 America should see what is happening, what is the cost, because it's real easy for Americans to sit there and allow these young kids to go overseas and fight and die, or be wounded, gravely wounded, and just to shut those, you know, just ignore them, because I don't care because I'm over here in the mall.

00:33:19.000 No, maybe we should not only, you know, Maybe we should not only show pictures of the coffins that are coming back, but maybe we should explore and show the lives that those men sacrificed and who they were and what they did and what their families were like and their wife and kids and mom and dad that they left behind that they gave up.

00:33:36.000 And why did they give it up?

00:33:37.000 Because they believed in freedom.

00:33:39.000 And so now we're just going to say, oh, that's not happening.

00:33:41.000 No, it's happening and you need to know it.

00:33:44.000 It is kind of strange, right, when you think about how little access to information people really had back in World War II. They were counting on the news, they were counting on newspapers, and now today we have massive, massive access to information instantaneously, but yet you get less of it when it comes to that.

00:33:59.000 Yeah, and in some ways you get more of it.

00:34:01.000 I mean, obviously, when there's an incident that happens overseas, you can find out about it on Twitter as fast as you can find out about it through, you know, waiting for a real news source to come up with it.

00:34:10.000 But you don't get anything that's specifically distributed by the U.S. government to let you know the consequences of a war.

00:34:18.000 And say, hey folks, we need your support.

00:34:19.000 This is what's really going down.

00:34:21.000 These are American citizens.

00:34:22.000 This is what's happening to them over there.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, and then the same thing could be said for, hey, sometimes civilians are going to get killed.

00:34:31.000 And what do we do?

00:34:32.000 What do we do then?

00:34:33.000 Do we brush that under the rug and we just show the Americans getting killed or do you universally show what's happening?

00:34:38.000 What war is man war is jacked up I'm here to tell you war is not glorious.

00:34:44.000 It is not fun and it is it is a horrible horrible event and So yeah, I think you should expose it and I think you should expose it at a high level so that people understand what we're getting into and and as horrible as war is There's many times throughout history where war is the absolute in my mind in my opinion the right thing to do and we don't have a choice and and we need to do something when when horrible things are happening and And you know I think that's you know on my podcast I talk about like

00:35:14.000 the like I said I talk about war and death and horrible genocide and and that's one of the reasons why I think it's it's gotten a lot of traction is because I'm talking about things that are otherwise being ignored and I think people do want to know I think people do want to understand war to deeper level so that way when they hear a Politician up there saying hey we should go to war they can at least say to themselves I know what I know what he's talking about and And he's not just talking about,

00:35:39.000 hey, we're going to wave the flag and we're going to send some soldiers over there. 1.00

00:35:41.000 They're going to kick ass. 1.00

00:35:42.000 They're going to come home. 1.00

00:35:43.000 We're going to high five.

00:35:44.000 That's not what war is.

00:35:45.000 And let's not ever forget that that's not what war is.

00:35:49.000 War is a man and another man on a battlefield surrounded by people, civilians, and they're trying to kill each other.

00:35:57.000 And it's a bloodbath.

00:35:58.000 And we shouldn't forget that.

00:36:00.000 And is it necessary sometimes?

00:36:02.000 It absolutely is.

00:36:03.000 It absolutely is necessary sometimes.

00:36:05.000 But we better weigh our minds heavily before we make that decision to go and execute.

00:36:11.000 Now, when you think about the evolution of human beings, you think about how much safer it is today versus how it was thousands of years ago, do you ever foresee a time where war won't exist?

00:36:23.000 I don't know.

00:36:24.000 You know, people joke with me a lot about the robot wars and robots being able to accomplish wars.

00:36:30.000 I actually believe that thing will come.

00:36:32.000 I mean, we've got drones right now that are very capable.

00:36:36.000 Pretty soon we'll have land warfare robots that will be able to go in and clear buildings and make things happen.

00:36:42.000 And then will the enemy then have robots that will fight our robots at some point?

00:36:48.000 Yeah, and then at some point will that elevate to a point where we're not dealing with physical robots anymore But just the software behind the robots and now it's just a big sort of cyber warfare that that is that seems conceivable to me now Joe Don't mistake me for some kind of like a Sam Harris intellectual over here or that I'm gonna sit here and explain to you what the future of you know warfare from a technical perspective but from my from my Rudimentary thought process could it not elevate to a point

00:37:18.000 where we have robots fighting robots?

00:37:20.000 And then that eventually escalates to a point where it's some kind of cyber warfare whether it's not physical But it's just information based that does make sense to me that that could happen.

00:37:28.000 I Yeah, it makes sense to me too, especially when you see those Boston Dynamic robots. 0.99

00:37:32.000 Have you seen those goddamn things? 0.98

00:37:33.000 You kick them over, they bounce back up, they run up hills, they can run like 60 miles an hour. 1.00

00:37:39.000 They're freaks.

00:37:40.000 I mean, it's really, and what they're doing now is just, I mean, who knows where they're going to be 10 years from now.

00:37:45.000 I mean, they're going to be solar powered, they'll be able to live out there with no food.

00:37:49.000 Yeah, it'll be awesome.

00:37:51.000 And then where do we go?

00:37:54.000 Will those robots fight people for a while?

00:37:56.000 Probably people that don't know any people that don't people don't have good robots yet.

00:38:00.000 Yeah, and that's not gonna be fun for the people without robots right and We'll see where it goes from there. 0.96

00:38:06.000 I mean, I think that's just a surrender scenario, right if you've got a If let's say America has these robots that can just come in with ruthless Precision and take out bad guys and you know, you're gonna be at their mercy There's a fucking science fiction movie, 0.97

00:38:23.000 right? 0.94

00:38:23.000 Like China develops robots that take over New York City. 0.94

00:38:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:26.000 Like, look at this goddamn thing. 1.00

00:38:28.000 It's one of these Boston Dynamics robots. 1.00

00:38:30.000 It's just...

00:38:30.000 It's so weird, man, to see them moving around.

00:38:33.000 Yeah, and what's interesting, I've seen some other ones, like, you don't need...

00:38:37.000 They put all this effort into making it actually walk instead of have, you know, wheels or tracks or whatever.

00:38:43.000 You know, wheels or tracks with little pods that could get over things would be...

00:38:46.000 They want this to look like, for a person for some reason, a human...

00:38:51.000 Shape is not necessarily the most effective, you know, structure for fighting.

00:38:56.000 It's not even good for us.

00:38:58.000 Right, yeah, barely. 0.99

00:38:58.000 Yeah, I mean, that's one of the reasons why our backs are so fucked up. 0.99

00:39:02.000 We're not, you know, you can't even talk us into standing up straight. 0.99

00:39:05.000 I can pick up 10 pounds.

00:39:06.000 Okay, it's a big deal.

00:39:08.000 I'm better than that.

00:39:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:09.000 Fuck this robot. 1.00

00:39:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:12.000 Someday though.

00:39:13.000 It's just we like things that look like us for whatever reason.

00:39:17.000 You know, we like the idea that this thing is going to look like us.

00:39:19.000 But yeah, I agree with you.

00:39:20.000 It doesn't need to.

00:39:21.000 It's probably not the best design.

00:39:22.000 And the real combat robots probably won't look like, they won't be bipedal.

00:39:27.000 Is that the word?

00:39:28.000 Yeah, bipedal.

00:39:28.000 They won't be bipedal.

00:39:29.000 They'll probably have little treads or something and just haul ass at 60 miles an hour with a machine gun.

00:39:34.000 Or they'll have many legs. 0.88

00:39:35.000 Like, what was that one that was like a cheetah?

00:39:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:38.000 There's some crazy one that's like a cheetah and it runs at some fucking ridiculous speed. 1.00

00:39:43.000 And it's terrifying. 0.99

00:39:44.000 They had one that was on a treadmill.

00:39:45.000 Is this the cheetah one?

00:39:49.000 Again, it's obviously not the best galloping.

00:39:52.000 It's not the best structure because you have to make this thing up and run, whereas with wheels on it or treads or something, like a tank, a mini tank.

00:40:01.000 Yeah.

00:40:02.000 But I wonder, like for getting over logs and stuff like that, if there's any sort of benefit.

00:40:06.000 They also have those ones that leap up in the air and they can go over the top of walls and shit.

00:40:11.000 Yeah, that's what you need is some kind of legs that can pop out if they need to. 0.98

00:40:14.000 Yeah.

00:40:14.000 Maybe we should just design this thing and take over.

00:40:16.000 Oh, there you go.

00:40:17.000 Here's one of the wheels.

00:40:19.000 Yeah, see that one's got the best of both worlds, right? 0.98

00:40:21.000 Yeah, that one's fucking terrifying. 0.94

00:40:23.000 That one's got front legs and it's got back wheels. 0.99

00:40:26.000 Yeah, they're not fucking playing games. 0.97

00:40:28.000 Didn't Google buy them? 0.99

00:40:29.000 Yeah, I believe so.

00:40:31.000 Google Skynet.

00:40:32.000 That's what we should be careful of.

00:40:33.000 Yeah, Google is powerful. 1.00

00:40:36.000 God damn. 0.99

00:40:37.000 The big announcement they made this week about their Google I.O. Assistant AI stuff is pretty crazy, too. 0.99

00:40:43.000 I don't know a bunch of the information, so I can't tell you.

00:40:46.000 Just look it up.

00:40:47.000 People are getting scared.

00:40:48.000 This is like the Google Siri type thing?

00:40:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:40:51.000 This is for the new Pixel phone?

00:40:52.000 Yep, yep.

00:40:53.000 They made a bunch of extra announcements on top of that, too.

00:40:56.000 What's supposed to be significant?

00:40:57.000 Whoa! 0.99

00:40:58.000 Did you see that thing jump over a fucking... 1.00

00:40:59.000 Look at this! 0.99

00:41:00.000 Yeah, see, that's the thing you gotta watch out for. 1.00

00:41:03.000 Oh, yeah, fuck that thing. 1.00

00:41:03.000 See, without even knowing it, I was saying wheels and legs. 1.00

00:41:07.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:41:07.000 It's perfect. 0.71

00:41:08.000 There you go.

00:41:09.000 But that thing, rewind that a little bit.

00:41:11.000 Watch it go over the wall.

00:41:13.000 It jumps over a wall a little bit before that.

00:41:15.000 Yeah, watch this. 1.00

00:41:16.000 Watch what this fucking thing can do, man. 0.99

00:41:18.000 After it does this, it goes down these stairs, and then it gets to, I mean, it gets to this wall, like a hurdle, and it fucking bounces over this hurdle like it's nothing. 1.00

00:41:28.000 Yeah. 0.74

00:41:28.000 There's snow, doesn't matter. 0.74

00:41:30.000 Grass doesn't matter. 0.91

00:41:32.000 Ice, no factor. 1.00

00:41:32.000 Yeah, as long as it doesn't break one of those stupid wheels. 1.00

00:41:34.000 The problem is, what are those wheels made out of? 1.00

00:41:36.000 You shoot one of those wheels, that thing's fucked. 1.00

00:41:38.000 But look at this. 1.00

00:41:38.000 Boing! 1.00

00:41:39.000 Bounces right over that, no problem.

00:41:41.000 Tucks its legs.

00:41:42.000 It looks terrifying.

00:41:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:44.000 And then put it, cover it in, like, some creepy fucking fake skin, like an alien. 1.00

00:41:48.000 Yeah, and then you'd put sensors on it, you know, thermal sensors and night vision sensors, and you wouldn't be able to get away from it. 0.97

00:41:55.000 Yeah, no way.

00:41:55.000 They would just hunt you down and kill you.

00:41:57.000 I mean, just think about that technology and then add that Tesla technology for self-driving cars and knows where all the cars are and everything.

00:42:05.000 We're just a few years away from something very, very bizarre.

00:42:09.000 Yeah, again, I kind of look forward to it.

00:42:12.000 Bring on the robots. 1.00

00:42:14.000 I want to fight them.

00:42:15.000 I'll go down in a blaze of glory. 0.84

00:42:17.000 Yeah, that's like Duke Nukem style.

00:42:20.000 Ripping out battery cords and trying to take their lives.

00:42:22.000 Yeah, Arnold Schwarzenegger in Terminator.

00:42:24.000 It's funny because when that Google Assistant can see and understand the world around you, what?

00:42:29.000 They built that Google Lens thing that used to be existing and they took it away.

00:42:34.000 It's kind of just built into the new phone.

00:42:35.000 What was Google Lens?

00:42:35.000 The thing you tried.

00:42:37.000 The sunglasses?

00:42:37.000 Oh, you know, you mean Google Glasses.

00:42:39.000 Glasses, yeah, I'm sorry.

00:42:39.000 Google Lens is that thing that translates the world, that translates languages.

00:42:43.000 They just kind of put all that data into this and so now it's on that phone.

00:42:47.000 And everyone will have it that has the new pixel.

00:42:49.000 So what does it do?

00:42:51.000 As far as I know right now, it's a bunch of AI information.

00:42:54.000 So it's looking at barcodes and QR codes all over the place.

00:42:58.000 You don't even have to have a good version of it.

00:43:02.000 You can do it from far away and it can read it.

00:43:04.000 It can be really low pixelated.

00:43:08.000 I'm losing the word.

00:43:10.000 Resolution?

00:43:10.000 Yeah, low resolution.

00:43:11.000 You can have a low resolution and it can pick it up from far away too.

00:43:14.000 Off the TV... So that's cool and everything, but why do you need to read barcodes?

00:43:20.000 Somebody tell me.

00:43:21.000 Well, I know one thing the new Pixel's supposed to do.

00:43:23.000 Say if you have this Stevia, and you go, oh, I want to get this.

00:43:26.000 It's got a little barcode.

00:43:27.000 You put your phone up to it.

00:43:28.000 It'll show you a link on Amazon, and you can one-click it just like that.

00:43:31.000 Right, right, right.

00:43:32.000 So that's one good thing that it does for the barcodes, but you know.

00:43:35.000 It can compare prices in stores it's saying automatically, whether it's using Amazon and they'll block that.

00:43:40.000 So basically we're moving into the ultimate age of consumerism.

00:43:44.000 Yeah.

00:43:44.000 I want to buy this now!

00:43:45.000 It's just a step up of instantaneous purchasing.

00:43:49.000 But as far as reading the world around you, what else is it doing?

00:43:54.000 I mean, I think you have to hold it up to see it.

00:43:57.000 So, right here it says you can aim it at a flower and it will identify the species.

00:44:01.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:44:01.000 You can pull up a band's music or videos by pointing the lens at a concert poster. 0.71

00:44:05.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:44:06.000 So, like, right now there's something that popped up on Apple's phone recently that people don't really know because it's hard to see.

00:44:11.000 Like, if I type in your name, Joe, it gets underlined.

00:44:14.000 And if you click that, a whole bunch of information pops up and leads to, like, all of your things on Apple Music.

00:44:20.000 It leads to your webpage.

00:44:21.000 It's like a little Siri assistant thing, but it hasn't been advertised, and it doesn't work for every person's name.

00:44:27.000 It might not work for Jocko, but it will work for Joe Rogan, and it might in the future if they update it, or I don't know who needs to update it.

00:44:35.000 It's cool, too.

00:44:36.000 This is an updated version of that, I believe.

00:44:40.000 And just to bring this conversation back to where we were the further we go in this direction of Technology being in every part of our lives the further away we get from having to struggle with things and the bigger Hole there's gonna be in the hole that you sense and I sense which is if you're not struggling if you're not working if you're not fighting for something That's just gonna go further and further into the past and further and further down and people can have that hole to fill up somehow and Yeah,

00:45:10.000 the physical body needs, it has requirements.

00:45:13.000 It has stress requirements.

00:45:15.000 And if you, I always do, the way I talk about it is like a battery.

00:45:18.000 And like, almost like, but not a conventional battery, the way we think of it, but almost like a storage vessel for energy.

00:45:23.000 And then if you don't do anything with that energy, it sort of oozes over the side and fucking battery acid crusts the outside of it. 0.98

00:45:30.000 Like, it gets all fucked up. 0.93

00:45:32.000 But if you just keep pumping out energy, you keep doing something, it maintains some sort of homeostasis. 0.97

00:45:39.000 It maintains some sort of a balance point.

00:45:41.000 It maintains some sort of operational happiness, like where the body's not fighting against itself.

00:45:48.000 Because I think that a lot of people's bodies are just fighting against them.

00:45:51.000 And a lot of, like, the way the decisions they're making, a big part of it is they're just not taking care of their meat vehicle.

00:45:58.000 So they're getting all these confusing messages from the flesh.

00:46:02.000 Yeah, I mean we see that every day when you walk around America and you see people that are just you wonder how much longer they're gonna be able to survive and What happens if they if there's a fire and they have to run?

00:46:15.000 They're not gonna make it around the corner to go to Disneyland Everybody's on a scooter.

00:46:20.000 It's weird.

00:46:22.000 It's so weird.

00:46:23.000 And I have a friend who works at Disneyland, and he was telling me, like, he started working there 10 years ago, it was rare to see someone on a scooter.

00:46:30.000 And now they're all on scooters.

00:46:32.000 And they're not on scooters because they've got a broken leg.

00:46:34.000 Or they're old.

00:46:35.000 They're on scooters because they've eaten themselves into this unmanageable shape.

00:46:39.000 Well, again, even five years ago, if you wanted to eat yourself in a miserable shape, you had to walk to the grocery store to do that, which was at least some form of movement.

00:46:48.000 And now you just one-click on Amazon and you got the Cheetos in ultra-large size showing up at your front door in two hours.

00:46:57.000 And they're going to come in a drone soon.

00:46:58.000 Yeah, and by the way, it'll be like Cheetos, and then it'll put you up the other things that you will probably want, too.

00:47:05.000 If you want Cheetos, you probably want two liters of Coke, and you probably want some marshmallows to go with that, and there you go.

00:47:09.000 Two hours, it's there, and you're just killing yourself. 1.00

00:47:11.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:47:13.000 When is this going to end? 1.00

00:47:15.000 I wonder when they're going to be able to figure out a way to compensate for all the shit, just some sort of a pill that figures out, or even CRISPR. I was listening to this Radiolab podcast where they're updating CRISPR. Do you know what CRISPR is? 0.98

00:47:30.000 No.

00:47:30.000 It's a new tool that they have that they're using to modify genes.

00:47:36.000 Ooh.

00:47:36.000 And they've only figured it out over the last few years, and apparently they've already started doing work on non-viable fetuses in China with this.

00:47:45.000 That's what they say. 0.98

00:47:47.000 By the time they say that, my thought is the guy telling you is probably some fucking fake person by then. 0.95

00:47:52.000 By the time it actually gets to the news, who knows what kind of crazy advancements they're making behind the Iron Curtain or wherever. 0.95

00:48:00.000 Is there an Iron Curtain anymore?

00:48:01.000 Well, there's China, and there's definitely some things going on in China. 1.00

00:48:04.000 For sure, they're doing some dark shit with people and this goddamn technology. 0.98

00:48:08.000 But they think that they're not only going to be able to use this gene editing tool, but they're going to be able to implant this gene editing tool into our genetics so that your own genes start doing the work of CRISPR for you. 0.99

00:48:23.000 So things like, they think it's going to take the place of antibiotics.

00:48:27.000 They think it's going to be able to edit out things like Alzheimer's, like whatever the gene is for Alzheimer's.

00:48:32.000 They'll be able to edit that out so Alzheimer's will no longer exist.

00:48:35.000 It's going to be really, really strange because people are going to have to make decisions.

00:48:40.000 Yeah, and I think this stuff is going to come quickly once we turn the corner.

00:48:44.000 It seems like it's going to come fast.

00:48:45.000 Oh, it's going to come real fast.

00:48:46.000 And there's going to be some weird mutations that happen in there, too.

00:48:50.000 Yeah, there's gonna be people that look like the Hulk.

00:48:51.000 Yeah.

00:48:52.000 There's gonna be some people that have one eye and two heads and you're just gonna be all jacked up and they're gonna...

00:48:57.000 What do we do to those people?

00:48:58.000 Right, the ones that didn't...

00:49:00.000 It didn't work right?

00:49:02.000 Tijuana's CRISPR job.

00:49:04.000 So is CRISPR a pill?

00:49:06.000 No, it's some sort of a gene editing tool.

00:49:08.000 I don't know the actual mechanism behind it.

00:49:10.000 I don't understand it.

00:49:11.000 I've only listened to people talk about it and read things on it.

00:49:13.000 And then how far away is immortality from that?

00:49:16.000 Because once you can eliminate all these different diseases...

00:49:19.000 Yeah, I think like a hundred years.

00:49:20.000 And I always thought if you could just clone your body and then you let your body grow to be 20 years old, then you just take your brain out, put it inside that new body, then you're good to go.

00:49:31.000 I think it's going to be even creepier than that.

00:49:33.000 I think they're going to be able to turn back the clock.

00:49:35.000 Because I think that when you think about cellular aging, like, well, what is it?

00:49:39.000 Your body's not reproducing.

00:49:40.000 Every cell in your body, except for your neurons, reproduces somewhere between every three to seven years or something like that, right?

00:49:48.000 Your neurons are the only things that you keep for the whole life.

00:49:52.000 And so what they're thinking is that as time goes on, your cells reproduce shittier and shittier, your telomeres shrink.

00:50:00.000 Okay.

00:50:01.000 Well, they'll be able to flip that around so that as time goes on, you'll be like Benjamin Buttons. 0.92

00:50:06.000 You'll start getting younger and younger, which will be really weird if they fuck it up and you start turning into a baby.

00:50:12.000 You know, you're like some 50-year-old and then all of a sudden you're like, dude, I'm 12 again.

00:50:16.000 This is not good.

00:50:17.000 Next year I'm going to be 11. If it goes backwards in that direction, if they can literally halt it, if they can take you and then, say if you're a 40-year-old woman, and they put you on a 20-year program, and they're like, well, in 20 years, instead of being 60,

00:50:32.000 you're going to be 20. And this is how it's going to work.

00:50:34.000 Next year you're going to be 39. That's totally conceivable.

00:50:38.000 That's totally conceivable?

00:50:40.000 Totally, 100% conceivable, possible, and likely.

00:50:44.000 Yeah.

00:50:45.000 Yeah, then that immortality thing isn't that far away then. 0.99

00:50:49.000 The only thing that's going to fuck you up is accidents and murder and, you know, shit like that. 0.99

00:50:53.000 Asteroids. 1.00

00:50:54.000 Is life become more precious then?

00:50:55.000 Because now you're thinking, hey, I don't want to go skydiving because I could actually live for thousands of years if I don't screw this up. 0.99

00:51:02.000 I think more likely you're gonna see a lot more parkour and those assholes that are doing backflips off the Grand Canyon, like that kind of shit. 0.99

00:51:09.000 You're gonna see more people that are like wanting to feel alive by taking crazy risks. 1.00

00:51:16.000 Yeah, those Russian dudes though?

00:51:19.000 Well, I had James Kingston on the podcast. 1.00

00:51:21.000 He's that crazy asshole from England. 1.00

00:51:23.000 Great kid, but he does backflips on the top of fucking buildings in Dubai and shit. 1.00

00:51:28.000 Like, what are you doing, man? 0.99

00:51:30.000 Yeah, you posted one of those the other day, and you said something like, you know, I don't know how you wrote it, but you said something like, and I watched it, and I was like, my sentiments exactly.

00:51:40.000 That is jacked up.

00:51:41.000 There was one just a couple of days ago, these guys released it.

00:51:44.000 They were on the Golden Gate Bridge.

00:51:45.000 I didn't even watch it.

00:51:46.000 Did you see it, Jamie?

00:51:47.000 I wouldn't even watch it.

00:51:48.000 They're like, daredevils were on the Golden Gate Bridge. 0.99

00:51:50.000 But you see them on the very top of the Golden Gate Bridge doing some silly shit, hanging off the edge, like, ah! 0.99

00:51:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:51:57.000 I did some dumb-er stuff when I was younger. 0.92

00:52:00.000 I did some rock climbing without ropes. 0.88

00:52:02.000 Not any Alex Honnold stuff, but, you know, where I would definitely get injured if I fell. 1.00

00:52:06.000 That was just being young and stupid. 0.99

00:52:08.000 I remember one time we were... 1.00

00:52:09.000 I was on a ship out in the middle of the...

00:52:11.000 A Navy ship out in the middle of the ocean somewhere.

00:52:13.000 I was in a SEAL platoon somewhere, and...

00:52:16.000 Me and one of my buddies, we were doing pull-ups off the side of the ship at night on a little cable.

00:52:21.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:52:22.000 You know, if that cable breaks or if we slip off and fall, you're 100% gonna die. 1.00

00:52:26.000 But we were doing it anyways because we were just young and stupid. 1.00

00:52:29.000 Wow. 1.00

00:52:29.000 You wanted to feel the juice. 1.00

00:52:30.000 Yeah, just feel the juice.

00:52:31.000 Pre-war, you know, there's no war going on.

00:52:34.000 How do we prove to our buddies that we are brave and badass? 1.00

00:52:39.000 You do stupid stuff. 1.00

00:52:41.000 Dumb stuff. 1.00

00:52:42.000 Hanging off the side of a ship on a cable. 1.00

00:52:47.000 What is that rush like?

00:52:49.000 It's got to be a crazy rush, right?

00:52:50.000 Knowing that you can't let go? 0.99

00:52:52.000 Yeah, it's just dumb. 0.80

00:52:53.000 But what do you do when you're, whatever, 23 years old? 0.98

00:52:57.000 There's something that, like, particularly in the human brain, there's something that resonates about hanging from something by your hands.

00:53:05.000 Like, that's one of the scariest ones.

00:53:07.000 Like, Kingston is on this gigantic crane, and he's hanging onto the crane with his hands, and then he does it with one hand.

00:53:13.000 He's hanging there, and he's fucking hundreds of feet up, and if he falls, he's just splatter. 0.94

00:53:19.000 He's just a water balloon. 0.94

00:53:21.000 But there's something about, for some reason, like, balancing is scary, but hanging is really scary.

00:53:27.000 I'm the opposite.

00:53:28.000 For me, balance is scarier than hanging.

00:53:31.000 I'd rather hang.

00:53:32.000 I feel pretty good hanging on something.

00:53:34.000 We got a good grip.

00:53:34.000 You do a lot of chin-ups.

00:53:35.000 I don't feel good about the balancing, because I think, you know, I could trip and fall.

00:53:40.000 That's it.

00:53:41.000 What's the life expectancy of Kingston?

00:53:43.000 Not so good.

00:53:44.000 I mean, he knows that, right?

00:53:45.000 Yeah, he's gotta know that.

00:53:47.000 He's a smart guy, too, which is really weird.

00:53:49.000 And really calm. 1.00

00:53:50.000 Look at these fucking assholes. 1.00

00:53:52.000 Oh, Jesus Christ! 1.00

00:53:56.000 Oh my god, this guy, folks, if you're listening, this guy has a skateboard and he is on a beam.

00:54:02.000 Come on.

00:54:03.000 I mean, like, what? 0.99

00:54:04.000 A couple thousand feet in the fucking air? 1.00

00:54:06.000 Holy shit, it's terrifying. 1.00

00:54:08.000 I mean, how many of these guys die? 1.00

00:54:10.000 It's not that many.

00:54:11.000 That's what's weird about it.

00:54:13.000 Saw I saw a video one guy frappin in.

00:54:15.000 Oh, yeah, he didn't make it.

00:54:17.000 Where was this?

00:54:18.000 I don't know something somewhere in Russia, of course.

00:54:20.000 What was he doing?

00:54:20.000 We're doing this walking around up on some high area.

00:54:24.000 Oh Jesus Christ, this kid is...

00:54:28.000 They get right to the edge with skateboards barefoot.

00:54:35.000 What the...

00:54:36.000 Yeah.

00:54:37.000 What is that?

00:54:38.000 Why is it?

00:54:38.000 So, did you talk to him about how he built into this?

00:54:43.000 Did he start at 20 feet, and then he went to 30 feet, and then he got more confident?

00:54:47.000 No, I don't think so.

00:54:48.000 I think he just started doing it.

00:54:50.000 Gene.

00:54:50.000 Well, he's a smart guy.

00:54:53.000 He's a weird guy, because you meet him, you're expecting, like, I'm going to...

00:54:57.000 Talk to this methed out psychopath who just wants to just get a juice rush all day long.

00:55:02.000 No, he's super calm and relaxed and normal. 0.71

00:55:06.000 It's weird.

00:55:07.000 Doesn't make any sense.

00:55:08.000 But where did it start for him?

00:55:09.000 I don't know.

00:55:10.000 I don't know.

00:55:11.000 He's got a normal family.

00:55:12.000 Seems healthy.

00:55:13.000 Yeah, he just likes it.

00:55:14.000 People are weird, aren't they?

00:55:16.000 They're weird!

00:55:17.000 Yeah, I mean, Alex, you had Alex Arnold on him, and, you know, we, my family, we go up to Yosemite and stuff, so we are familiar, but you can see how he kind of edged into it, right?

00:55:26.000 Yeah.

00:55:26.000 And you start climbing, and you got ropes, and then you get really good at it, and then you're like, you know what, I can probably make it to there without a rope, and then next thing you know, you'll probably make it there, too, and then the next thing you know, you're climbing, you know, El Capitan with no rope, or Naftone with no rope, which is completely, you've been to Yosemite?

00:55:39.000 Yeah.

00:55:40.000 Completely insane to even think about that.

00:55:42.000 He does some insane stuff where you're going backwards, like you're at a reverse degree, you know, like 15 degrees the wrong way.

00:55:49.000 Yeah.

00:55:49.000 Like, and he climbs up it to go above it, and he's got no ropes, and he's just hanging on with his hands.

00:55:55.000 It's like, what the fuck, dude? 0.99

00:55:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:57.000 He was telling us a story about one time where he's halfway up the mountain, he realized he forgot his powder. 1.00

00:56:01.000 Yeah.

00:56:02.000 So he ran into some other people that were up there that were on ropes.

00:56:05.000 He said, hey, can I borrow your powder?

00:56:06.000 They're like, uh, you don't have any powder?

00:56:08.000 Like, yeah, borrow our powder.

00:56:09.000 And he left the powder bag at the top of the mountain like...

00:56:12.000 Yeah, and I heard him talking about it that he...

00:56:16.000 For him, it's not a big deal because he knows how strong he is and he knows what his limitations are.

00:56:22.000 So it doesn't...

00:56:23.000 It's like...

00:56:26.000 He's comfortable with it, right?

00:56:27.000 He's comfortable.

00:56:27.000 It's like, you know, someone walking on a balance beam that does it all the time, they're gonna be comfortable with it, and he's climbing stuff all the time, so he's more comfortable.

00:56:33.000 It's still hard to get a grip on, though.

00:56:35.000 It's hard to get a grip.

00:56:36.000 You know, when I was hosting Fear Factor, we had this one thing that we did where we had people hang from a pole that was suspended over this water.

00:56:45.000 And it was shocking how the little amount of time, the small amount of time that men, in particular, could hang from a pole.

00:56:56.000 Like, they were like a minute in, these guys were dropping into the water. 1.00

00:56:59.000 And I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:57:00.000 Like, women want it. 1.00

00:57:02.000 Really?

00:57:02.000 Yeah, women want it.

00:57:03.000 Because they have lighter bodies. 0.99

00:57:05.000 So even though their hands might be weaker, like, and one guy was fucking jacked. 0.96

00:57:10.000 He was like this football player looking dude. 0.93

00:57:12.000 And he didn't make it, man.

00:57:13.000 He was like a minute and 15 in, plopping into the water.

00:57:16.000 I was like, this is crazy.

00:57:17.000 Yeah, I had a guy in my SEAL training class that was a big giant monster guy, and he couldn't complete the obstacle course.

00:57:24.000 No.

00:57:25.000 He didn't have the hand strength.

00:57:26.000 There's too much mass behind you that you're asking small limbs or small digits to control.

00:57:32.000 And then also, your heart has got to pump too much blood through that tissue.

00:57:38.000 There's like a point of diminishing returns when it comes to size.

00:57:42.000 That's one of the things you saw when you'd see Cain Velasquez fight guys.

00:57:46.000 Cain Velasquez has always been in that sweet spot of about 240. 240 to me is about as big as you want to get.

00:57:52.000 Because the guys over 240, man, they might fuck you up in the first few minutes, but you take them into that fourth and fifth minute of the first round, and then they're huffing and puffing, and then in the second round, they're getting their asses kicked. 0.90

00:58:03.000 And the Cain Velasquez storm was one of the more fascinating things to watch in all my years of the UFC, because he was a heavyweight that had the cardio of a lightweight. 0.97

00:58:13.000 But he was, again, 240. 240 pounds, not too big.

00:58:17.000 A well-marbled 240 pounds.

00:58:19.000 So he's not like he was a lean, you know, he had some, he always looks a little bit...

00:58:23.000 He had a lot of Mexican food. 0.99

00:58:24.000 He had some rice and beans on his ass. 1.00

00:58:26.000 You would see Cain eating lunch and he'd be like, for real? 1.00

00:58:28.000 Like, you're like one of the elite heavyweights ever! 1.00

00:58:31.000 And he's sitting there with fucking 10 tacos and shit. 0.99

00:58:33.000 And, you know, that's a talent, too. 0.99

00:58:35.000 Having that kind of sustained energy is a talent, just like some guys are super flexible, and some guys are super strong and explosive, and some guys just have that range.

00:58:46.000 And what is it?

00:58:47.000 It's medium twitch muscles, right?

00:58:48.000 It's medium twitch.

00:58:49.000 Slow twitch, yeah.

00:58:50.000 Well, no, there's slow twitch, which is I'm a marathoner.

00:58:53.000 Right.

00:58:54.000 And then there's fast twitch, which is I'm an Olympic weightlifter.

00:58:56.000 But in recent years, they've said there's actually something in the middle.

00:59:00.000 Medium twitch, which is I'm strong, but I can go for a long time.

00:59:03.000 That's interesting.

00:59:03.000 I didn't know about that.

00:59:04.000 But it makes sense.

00:59:05.000 And that's what a guy like Cain is, because Cain, like you said, I mean, for him to be able to get in there and go five rounds pushing around another guy that weighs 260 pounds, that's beast mode right there.

00:59:15.000 There's a lot going on with Cain.

00:59:16.000 I think one thing is going on is genetics.

00:59:19.000 He has incredible genetics.

00:59:20.000 Bob Cook would tell me that Kane would be out for months, get an injury, and come back and just outwork everybody.

00:59:26.000 He'd just have insane cardio.

00:59:28.000 Maybe it's also that his base was so rock solid that his out of shape for three months is everybody else's peak condition.

00:59:37.000 It's one of the reasons why he was able to overwhelm so many people.

00:59:40.000 But also, when you see Kane execute things, he's never straining.

00:59:44.000 Like, cane, everything is perfect technique.

00:59:47.000 There's no, like, grunting and forcing anything.

00:59:51.000 There's no, like, crazy looks on his face and, like, windmill punches.

00:59:56.000 Everything is clean and crisp, and it's all, like, very efficient.

01:00:00.000 Efficient movements.

01:00:00.000 Yeah, he's a machine, and obviously that comes from training hard.

01:00:03.000 And is that training hard Too hard.

01:00:05.000 Has he been training too hard?

01:00:06.000 Is that why he's all dinged up and missing fights because of injuries?

01:00:09.000 Well, there's also the mind.

01:00:10.000 His mind is so strong that he's able to overcome the feeling of pain.

01:00:15.000 But sometimes elite athletes, especially fighters, they can't distinguish between what is just dings. 0.99

01:00:20.000 Everybody gets dinged up.

01:00:22.000 But something that's a significant injury.

01:00:25.000 Like, hey, you've got to compromise in the structure of your body.

01:00:28.000 If you keep pushing it, you're going to blow this knee out. 0.99

01:00:30.000 You're going to fuck this disc up. 0.97

01:00:31.000 You're going to need surgery. 0.97

01:00:33.000 And Kane's had a gang of surgeries now.

01:00:35.000 Shoulder, knees, back.

01:00:37.000 And now, you know, he's been out for quite a while with this most recent back issue.

01:00:43.000 It sucks because, in my opinion, it's like him and Fedor.

01:00:47.000 You know, those are the two greatest heavyweights of all time. 0.96

01:00:49.000 Interestingly, same similar body style.

01:00:52.000 230, 240, well marbled.

01:00:55.000 Yeah.

01:00:56.000 Yeah, Fedor at his peak had like the ultimate dad bod.

01:00:59.000 He had like a dad that used to play rugby, you know? 0.99

01:01:03.000 But fuck guys up. 0.97

01:01:04.000 They'd post those videos though of him training in Russia, running with his buddies and swinging kettlebells, and he'd be like, yeah, this guy works hard. 0.99

01:01:10.000 Hard.

01:01:11.000 Oh, yeah.

01:01:11.000 Hard.

01:01:12.000 No doubt. 0.99

01:01:13.000 He just probably ate shitty food. 0.99

01:01:14.000 Yeah, just ate. 0.99

01:01:15.000 And tons of it, you know?

01:01:16.000 But it's also, like, their methodology is just different.

01:01:19.000 I mean, he was, like, very, very old school with his methods.

01:01:22.000 Like, he was doing kettlebells, but way before CrossFit or anything came to America.

01:01:28.000 I mean, there's an old school picture.

01:01:30.000 See if you can find it, Jamie.

01:01:32.000 Back when he was jacked.

01:01:33.000 Like, He got smaller as his career went on because he stopped doing strength and conditioning as his body got older and focused more on skill work.

01:01:42.000 But there's this ancient picture, not ancient, but there's a picture of him standing there shirtless around a bunch of kettlebells.

01:01:49.000 A bunch of old kettlebells, yeah, yeah.

01:01:50.000 I remember that picture.

01:01:52.000 This is like 2001 or something like that, you know?

01:01:54.000 Yeah.

01:01:55.000 And the thing that I think that he really had was he had a good...

01:01:58.000 His skill in my mind was that he was really good grapplers a really good striker, but he the way he mixed them together Yeah, you would see him just like hit somebody in the face and then judo throw them and then arm lock them or choke them It was all just so smooth I don't think anyone knew what to defend because if they defended one thing they were get if they defended it a Grappling move they were getting punched in the face if they defended a punt they were getting taken down and Yeah,

01:02:22.000 he was something special, man.

01:02:23.000 And, you know, he was something special for quite a long time, too.

01:02:26.000 I don't think anybody can keep going longer than, like, there's, like, a time that you can compete at the highest level.

01:02:33.000 Some folks think it's about eight, nine years.

01:02:35.000 And after eight, nine years, the highest level, like, nobody's body holds up.

01:02:39.000 He just all falls apart.

01:02:40.000 And, you know, as much as I'm talking good about Fedor and his style and everything, let's face it.

01:02:45.000 What was the best about Fedor?

01:02:48.000 Was his attitude when he would just come in there with no emotions, just raise his hand, dead face.

01:02:53.000 You know, they'd introduce him, he'd just raise his hand, he'd destroy someone, and he would have the same expression on his face like before he fought.

01:02:59.000 He just had total absence of emotion that was, to me, that's what I always thought, yes.

01:03:05.000 Yeah.

01:03:06.000 That's why Fedor's right up there at the top of my list.

01:03:08.000 Yeah, there's the picture.

01:03:10.000 Exactly.

01:03:11.000 Just jacked. 1.00

01:03:12.000 Standing around a bunch of fucking iron cannonballs with handles on them. 1.00

01:03:16.000 And those aren't some little kettlebells either. 0.99

01:03:18.000 Yeah, I bet that picture alone must have sold millions of dollars in kettlebells.

01:03:23.000 People saw that picture and they're like, I gotta get some, man.

01:03:27.000 But he also was very smart, and that's his brother, actually.

01:03:29.000 He was very smart with his training where, you know, he spent some time in Holland.

01:03:35.000 Him and his brother, like, way back in the day.

01:03:37.000 Get a picture of his brother now.

01:03:38.000 Get a picture of Alexander now.

01:03:39.000 He just got out of jail.

01:03:40.000 Yeah.

01:03:41.000 I wonder if he's gonna fight again. 1.00

01:03:42.000 His brother was a bad motherfucker too, man. 1.00

01:03:44.000 Yeah, he was. 1.00

01:03:45.000 He's an animal.

01:03:46.000 He's got the... 0.96

01:03:47.000 There's something about Russians, man. 1.00

01:03:49.000 For sure.

01:03:50.000 They're a different kind of white people.

01:03:52.000 They're totally different.

01:03:53.000 They're so much different.

01:03:55.000 Well, it's the hard upbringing.

01:03:57.000 Oh, yeah, man.

01:03:58.000 Diamonds.

01:04:00.000 Diamonds made out of pressure.

01:04:01.000 And the other guy that comes to mind when we're thinking about old school fighters, that really, it wasn't just his skill set, which was unbelievable, but Sakuraba.

01:04:10.000 Because the way Sakuraba, his craziness.

01:04:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:13.000 And just to go in there and just have that incredibly playful attitude.

01:04:18.000 Also, chain-smoked and drank through this entire camp.

01:04:21.000 Chain-smoked and drank.

01:04:23.000 Yeah.

01:04:23.000 I went out with him in Japan after one of his fights one time.

01:04:25.000 Really?

01:04:26.000 What'd he do?

01:04:27.000 He was just getting after it. 0.98

01:04:31.000 But that attitude of not giving a fuck is like that's what worked so well for him inside the inside the ring Yeah, well, I know we see this all the time with fighters We see with anybody that is gonna live out on the fringe like that. 0.91

01:04:42.000 They're gonna have some sort of offset There's there's another there's for every action. 0.85

01:04:46.000 There's an equal and opposite reaction, right?

01:04:48.000 So you get a guy that's living that far on the edge like like Sakuraba was That edge just doesn't stop when he gets out of the cage, right?

01:04:54.000 He's going and gonna get after it more He had some horrible losses, though.

01:05:01.000 He got used and exploited worse than anyone else, right?

01:05:08.000 I mean, worse than any other fighter.

01:05:10.000 No one has been exploited and put into those horrible fights where he just wasn't outmatched.

01:05:17.000 He was old.

01:05:18.000 He wasn't trained right.

01:05:19.000 And they would just put him in there and just let him get destroyed.

01:05:21.000 Well, his knees were mangled.

01:05:24.000 So he would wrap his knees up like a mummy. 0.61

01:05:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:27.000 They were horrible, and you knew that that was a real injury.

01:05:30.000 Like, he couldn't move so good. 0.98

01:05:33.000 His knees were all wrapped up and fucked up, and then they put him in there with Vanderlei. 0.98

01:05:36.000 And Vanderlei knocked him out, what, three times? 0.99

01:05:39.000 Brutal, brutal KOs?

01:05:40.000 I think at least twice.

01:05:42.000 I'm trying to think of it as two or three times.

01:05:44.000 And then Melvin Manhoof.

01:05:47.000 And he was soccer kicking him, because you could soccer kick in pride and stomp.

01:05:52.000 Yeah, he had some really tough fights.

01:05:54.000 He's apparently doing a grappling super fight now.

01:05:56.000 I think he's grappling.

01:05:57.000 He grappled Henzo.

01:05:59.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:06:01.000 That's right.

01:06:01.000 I was actually thinking of Shinya Aoki is going to grapple with Gary Tonin.

01:06:06.000 Oh, that'll be good.

01:06:07.000 Yeah, they're going to have a straight-up grappling. 0.99

01:06:10.000 Gary's going to fuck him up, most likely. 0.98

01:06:12.000 But Aoki's good, man. 0.99

01:06:13.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:06:14.000 But it's a big difference between guys who are good in MMA and guys who are good at straight-up grappling.

01:06:20.000 Yeah.

01:06:20.000 In the training vids of Gary, he's just like he's just trained all he does he's completely obsessed with jiu-jitsu.

01:06:26.000 I love it Yeah, and he's doing rope climbs and he's just that's all he does He's also being coached by John Donaher and he's a part of that Henzo Gracie crew in New York City and that Donaher death squad man you want to talk about a real like wizard of jiu-jitsu Donaher understand his Instagram posts are some of the very best Instagram posts on the internet and I got to follow him then.

01:06:49.000 Oh, you got to, man.

01:06:50.000 His breakdowns of certain techniques and matches and what went well and what went wrong and what's required of athletes and how to excel and the difference between an athlete in competition versus a difference in training.

01:07:01.000 That's one of his most recent things about putting yourself in bad positions and working on your weaknesses as opposed to just continuing to push your strengths.

01:07:09.000 Yeah.

01:07:10.000 Well, that's a big one.

01:07:10.000 The fighters that are good in training, but they're not good in their cage, and there's other fighters that kind of get beat up in training, but then when they get in the cage, they rise to the occasion.

01:07:20.000 I got to see that a bunch with a bunch of different fighters over the years that I trained with, and you'd say, ah, this guy's going to do okay, but then they'd get in the cage, and boom, they would just turn it on.

01:07:28.000 They'd elevate themselves.

01:07:29.000 And then some guys that are crushing everyone during training, they'd get in the cage, you know, UFC fight night or whatever, and they just can't They can't get it done that night, even though they're crushing people in the training.

01:07:40.000 Yeah, there's so many factors, right?

01:07:42.000 And I think some of them are also the ability to overcome adversity.

01:07:45.000 And with really talented guys, they didn't really have to overcome that much adversity because they were good really quickly.

01:07:52.000 Like guys who had massive physical advantages.

01:07:54.000 Yeah.

01:07:55.000 And then for some reason, you know, once they faced other people that also have physical advantages but were tougher, they would just go, they'd just fall apart.

01:08:03.000 They'd just wilt.

01:08:04.000 Yeah.

01:08:04.000 Yeah, it's so common.

01:08:05.000 Yeah, you got to get that in and we got some guys at the jacket this guy at the gym right now who's just He's just a he's a mutant.

01:08:14.000 He's a mutant like he's so strong He I was it he shot on me the other day I sprawled on him and so he's on all fours and And he fights at 185. I'm on all fours and he picks me up with one hand,

01:08:29.000 picks me up and slams me and gets across side. 0.98

01:08:32.000 And I said, bro, did you just like shot put me right there?

01:08:37.000 And he's 185. Once he walked around that.

01:08:39.000 He walks around at 200, 205. You know, typical fight.

01:08:41.000 And he picked you up with one hand?

01:08:43.000 One hand, but not with his back, but like with his arm.

01:08:47.000 You're going to see him.

01:08:47.000 Taylor Johnson, watch out for him.

01:08:49.000 What is his background?

01:08:50.000 He wrestled.

01:08:51.000 He wrestled.

01:08:51.000 But this is the thing.

01:08:52.000 We know this, right?

01:08:54.000 There's wrestlers that are great wrestlers, and they're okay at jiu-jitsu, but they can't quite make that transition.

01:08:59.000 And their striking's okay, but they can't quite make that transition.

01:09:02.000 For whatever reason, whatever gift he's got, he...

01:09:06.000 So the other day we were training, and he's been training, this was a few months ago, he's been training for like six months, right?

01:09:13.000 And he dives for a Kimura on me.

01:09:16.000 And I, you know, I move and get out, and, you know, we keep training, whatever.

01:09:20.000 And we get done, he goes, man, you know, I just, I can't lock anything up on you.

01:09:24.000 I just can't, I can't get any finishes on you.

01:09:26.000 And I was like, bro, you've been training for six months.

01:09:31.000 There's guys who've been training here for ten years that have never even attempted a submission on me.

01:09:35.000 And you're trying to submit me with my own move, the Chimera.

01:09:39.000 I'm like, bro, don't worry about it.

01:09:41.000 It's going to come.

01:09:42.000 But my point is with him is, he's an incredible athlete and he's got that work ethic too.

01:09:49.000 And he's competed at a high level in wrestling.

01:09:51.000 You know, he's an all-American wrestler.

01:09:52.000 I think D2, though, but, you know, nonetheless, he's savage.

01:09:56.000 Yeah, the ability to compete, it's an interesting ability.

01:10:00.000 Like, some people just don't have it.

01:10:02.000 Or it's not even that they don't have it.

01:10:04.000 They lack the mental skills to overcome pressure-filled obstacles.

01:10:09.000 Yeah, and you're right, and there's some people that step up when that happens.

01:10:13.000 Yeah.

01:10:13.000 And can you train to do that?

01:10:15.000 Think you can think you can I think you think you can you inoculate yourself to the stress It's just the mind so like you like the idea that these pitfalls in the mind are insurmountable I think that's ridiculous that seems to be more surmountable or more more More passable than physical problems because like physical problems like if you're 140 pounds and a guy's 240 pounds You're both equally talented and both equally driven boy. 1.00

01:10:42.000 You're fucked. 0.96

01:10:42.000 You're kind of fucked Yeah, well that being said it is similar to what we talked about earlier Which is when you have somebody that's caught in their own mind They can't get the perspective to step out and be like, dude, just calm down. 0.96

01:10:54.000 There's nothing to freak out about. 1.00

01:10:55.000 You're going to go in there.

01:10:57.000 What if I lose?

01:10:58.000 If you lose, it's no big deal.

01:10:59.000 We'll get around it.

01:10:59.000 We'll train more.

01:11:00.000 It's no big deal.

01:11:00.000 They can't get over that.

01:11:02.000 And so you do get people that get trapped in their minds.

01:11:04.000 I mean, there's all kinds of fighters that have gone through that and never came out of it.

01:11:07.000 Well, there's a really important quote.

01:11:09.000 If you win, you win.

01:11:10.000 If you lose, you learn.

01:11:12.000 And so you always win.

01:11:13.000 And if you really can think about it that way, every time, you know, I remember pretty much every time I've ever been humiliated on the mat.

01:11:21.000 Every time I've ever been like really manhandled and tapped, I remember them very well. 0.90

01:11:25.000 And I also remember like every time I rolled with like a real high-level black belt and got my ass handed to me, my training jumped up a notch. 0.96

01:11:33.000 It's that expression, the rub.

01:11:35.000 You train with someone who's way better, and you realize, whatever I thought was a high frequency, there's people that are operating several hundred RPMs faster than that, and I just hadn't encountered them.

01:11:48.000 I think that to be around that is so important.

01:11:51.000 If you ever train with a guy that trains in a small town, And all the people in the town is maybe like Purple Belt and coaches.

01:11:59.000 There's a certain RPM that they all operate in. 0.99

01:12:02.000 And if you come in and you're used to that fucking San Diego assassin RPM and they're like, what the fuck is this guy doing? 0.99

01:12:09.000 They're just not used to it. 1.00

01:12:12.000 But if you come from a place like that and you try to train at Henzo's or something like that, you're jumping into a fucking pit of killers. 1.00

01:12:20.000 And that's... 0.99

01:12:21.000 You know, that old expression, iron sharpens iron, could not be more true when it comes to jujitsu.

01:12:26.000 Yeah, there's no doubt.

01:12:27.000 The better people you train with, the better you're gonna get.

01:12:29.000 And you gotta seek those people out, you know. 0.98

01:12:31.000 You gotta not mind, hey, that guy Taylor that I'm talking about, do I like getting my ass kicked by a guy that's been training for six months? 0.99

01:12:39.000 No, I hate it. 0.99

01:12:40.000 I hate it, Taylor.

01:12:41.000 But guess what?

01:12:42.000 I call him out every time.

01:12:43.000 And I talk smack to him.

01:12:45.000 I don't talk a bunch of smack, but I talk smack to him.

01:12:47.000 I'm like, hey, what's up, young buck?

01:12:48.000 You wanna come get some of this?

01:12:49.000 Every day.

01:12:50.000 Cause I wanna train with him.

01:12:51.000 Cause he's that strong.

01:12:52.000 And I mean, of course, I'm training with Dean.

01:12:54.000 I'm training with Jeffy Glover.

01:12:55.000 I trained with those guys too, but you've got the young buck that wants to get after it a little bit more.

01:13:00.000 Yeah, well, also, there's something about freak wrestling strength that just...

01:13:03.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:13:05.000 Like, I've rolled with some wrestlers before.

01:13:07.000 I'm like, okay, whatever you are, there's people, and then, like, there's, like, chimp people. 1.00

01:13:12.000 You're like a chimp person. 1.00

01:13:14.000 You know, like, they have...

01:13:15.000 Like, when your body is used to, from the time you're an early kid, throwing bodies around, like, your tendon strength and your ability to manipulate bodies is a very different kind of strength.

01:13:26.000 I mean, it might not translate to a 40-yard dash or...

01:13:29.000 Or sprints or, you know, lifting weights, but there's the physical ability to move bodies is very unusual.

01:13:36.000 Yeah, and you always have to be careful, too, because there's been plenty of wrestlers along the way that don't do well in MMA. Oh, They just they're great.

01:13:47.000 They're strong, but I think that's a mental thing I think they have like some limited factor in their brain where they go they just can't quite open their mind to jiu-jitsu They can't quite open their mind to striking they can't get out of that wrestler mentality of You know this I have to go as hard as I can right now because in MMA you can't go as hard as you can right now for the whole time you will run out of gas Especially with striking,

01:14:09.000 if you're boxing and sparring with people and you think you're just going to go in and do that, you're going to run into somebody who actually knows how to box and you're going to come home with headaches every night and you're going to get very discouraged.

01:14:18.000 It's a matter of who you're training with, too, as far as your trainers.

01:14:22.000 Who's coaching you and what methodology are they using and what mindset are they trying to impart on you as far as skill development?

01:14:29.000 Because there's so many people out there that just don't have a real clear philosophy.

01:14:35.000 They don't have a goal in terms of...

01:14:38.000 I want to work on footwork and avoiding certain shots and being able to move in better You know instead they're just trying to win every round or they're trying to you know push hard and then do you not get to the next level?

01:14:52.000 Which in my mind when we get past the athleticism we get past the mental overcoming of challenges and then in my opinion you get to the next level which is Creativity yeah, and that's when you get to McGregor right Johnny Bones Jones they're doing things that they're kind of making up yeah,

01:15:11.000 and they're making up live as they go and I think that to me is is You know we kind of I think we saw with BJ Penn back in the day.

01:15:18.000 He was creative I think Fedor did it where he was he was doing creative things But I think to me that's that's where you go that one level higher is when you add the creative element to a guy that can take a and B and make F out of those things somehow and Yeah,

01:15:34.000 and when you watch those guys, there's something about watching a Jon Jones or a Fedor or a Primetime BJ Penn.

01:15:41.000 It elevates you.

01:15:42.000 You watch someone do something special like that, and you just walk out of there.

01:15:46.000 You feel like, I know I can run faster than I could before I saw that fight.

01:15:49.000 I know I could lift more weights.

01:15:52.000 I know I could do something better.

01:15:54.000 I think this is a huge thing, one of the reasons why people enjoy watching all kinds of sports, but in particular combat sports.

01:16:02.000 When people do something amazing, it makes you feel like amazing things are possible.

01:16:08.000 Yeah, I actually, I have limitations on that, too.

01:16:12.000 Because, personally, I'll watch somebody, you know, some random fighter or whatever, and I'll say, I could probably do that.

01:16:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:16:20.000 Like, I could do that.

01:16:22.000 A lot of guys are a good fighter, but I could, yeah, I'm good at jiu-jitsu, I'm a pretty good striker, I could do that.

01:16:26.000 And then occasionally I see a guy and I go, no, you know what?

01:16:29.000 I could not do what that guy can do.

01:16:32.000 It just makes me...

01:16:34.000 It's humbling.

01:16:35.000 I think it's humbling.

01:16:36.000 I was watching Jack Black, right?

01:16:38.000 Sure.

01:16:38.000 Jack Black.

01:16:39.000 I was watching Jack Black the other day.

01:16:41.000 And, you know, I look at Jack Black.

01:16:43.000 I look at some actor, right?

01:16:46.000 I look at Brad Pitt.

01:16:48.000 And I go, what's Brad Pitt doing?

01:16:49.000 I could do what he's doing.

01:16:50.000 He's talking on the movie screen, whatever.

01:16:52.000 I know I'm underestimating this, right?

01:16:53.000 But that's what I'm thinking.

01:16:54.000 I'm like, you know, I could do that.

01:16:56.000 But I was watching Jack Black, and Jack Black was singing.

01:16:59.000 And I was like, I can't do what Jack Black's doing right there.

01:17:02.000 Respect and props to Jack Black.

01:17:05.000 Homeboy's got pipes, right?

01:17:06.000 He's got pipes.

01:17:07.000 And I look at the same time, I look at Johnny Bones Jones, and I go...

01:17:13.000 I wouldn't have done what he just did.

01:17:15.000 I look at McGregor, and I go, you know what?

01:17:19.000 He's got some little spark that I don't have.

01:17:22.000 He's got a flair.

01:17:23.000 Yeah.

01:17:23.000 Yeah, there's a flair that McGregor has that's half of what he does.

01:17:27.000 I mean, he's unbelievably talented. 0.98

01:17:29.000 He's got ridiculous power, but there's also this flair about him when he fucking... 0.98

01:17:34.000 Walks in there, flinging his arms, and then he stands there in front of his opponent and goes like that. 0.99

01:17:39.000 There's something about him. 1.00

01:17:41.000 The fucking audaciousness of his, you know, he's just so ridiculous. 1.00

01:17:47.000 But it really impressed me when he came back and beat me. 1.00

01:17:50.000 Oh, fuck yeah! 0.99

01:17:52.000 And I thought it was a very close fight. 0.99

01:17:53.000 I actually, and I'll have to watch it again.

01:17:55.000 I usually don't watch fights more than once, but I know it was very, very close.

01:17:59.000 Nate could have won that fight.

01:18:00.000 Yeah, I thought Nate could have won it.

01:18:02.000 Yeah, I thought so too, but it didn't.

01:18:04.000 And even just as close as it was, I was impressed.

01:18:07.000 And that was, I think, one of the most impressive feats I've seen as far as that mental game we're talking about.

01:18:12.000 Yeah.

01:18:12.000 To come back and say, you know what?

01:18:14.000 I'm going to do it this time.

01:18:15.000 That he even wanted to come back.

01:18:17.000 Yeah, at 170 again.

01:18:18.000 That was at 170, right?

01:18:19.000 The second fight was too.

01:18:20.000 Yes, it was.

01:18:20.000 Impressive.

01:18:21.000 It was very impressive.

01:18:22.000 You know, a lot of people don't know that he had a pretty bad staph infection just a few weeks before the first fight, and he was on some serious antibiotics, and that's one of the reasons why he was so drained.

01:18:32.000 Like, people are like, oh, he gassed out. 0.91

01:18:33.000 Like, if you've never taken antibiotics before, you don't know how fucking horrible it is on your gas tank. 0.78

01:18:38.000 It's one of the... 0.90

01:18:39.000 It's the weirdest thing ever.

01:18:40.000 It's like you could be in great shape.

01:18:41.000 You get on a run of antibiotics and your body's just... 1.00

01:18:44.000 You got a fucking thimble gas tank. 0.99

01:18:46.000 There's nothing left. 1.00

01:18:47.000 You got no energy.

01:18:48.000 For whatever reason, you just can't push yourself through stuff.

01:18:51.000 And I think that played a factor in that fight.

01:18:53.000 And here's the thing about McGregor. 0.98

01:18:54.000 You never heard a fucking peep about it. 0.99

01:18:56.000 If it wasn't for me talking about it, most people wouldn't even know. 0.99

01:18:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:18:59.000 Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:19:01.000 And I don't know... 1.00

01:19:02.000 I mean, they said he signed the Floyd Mayweather deal.

01:19:05.000 Oh, really?

01:19:06.000 Yep, he signed.

01:19:07.000 When did that happen?

01:19:07.000 It happened yesterday.

01:19:08.000 He has signed.

01:19:10.000 Floyd Mayweather has not signed.

01:19:11.000 They're negotiating the Floyd Mayweather...

01:19:13.000 Pure boxing?

01:19:13.000 Yep, pure boxing.

01:19:14.000 Yeah, that's what I think.

01:19:16.000 I'm like, people... 0.97

01:19:17.000 Look, I mean, maybe he's gonna go full Bernard Hopkins, just fucking clinch and hit him in the clinch and tie him up and rough him up, and maybe that's the plan. 0.99

01:19:26.000 Lean on his neck, you know, just fight dirty. 0.98

01:19:28.000 Let him take points away. 1.00

01:19:29.000 Who gives a shit? 0.99

01:19:30.000 As long as you don't get disqualified. 0.99

01:19:31.000 Don't, like, stand in the middle of the ring and try to fucking chuck and jive with him.

01:19:36.000 But the other thing is, Floyd's not knocking a lot of people out, you know? 0.98

01:19:40.000 It's a good fight in terms of, like, to see what the fuck happens. 0.96

01:19:44.000 That's gonna be insane. 0.73

01:19:44.000 How much money is that gonna make? 0.73

01:19:46.000 He's gonna make a fuck ton of money.

01:19:48.000 He's gonna make, he estimated, I don't know if it's true, between 75 and 100 million dollars. 0.67

01:19:53.000 Good on him.

01:19:54.000 Yeah.

01:19:54.000 Good on him.

01:19:55.000 And then who knows how much Floyd's gonna make.

01:19:57.000 Somewhere in that range too, maybe more, probably more.

01:19:59.000 But I think that it's gonna be interesting.

01:20:02.000 First of all, Floyd's 40, almost 41. Floyd's maybe the best defensive boxer that's ever walked the face of the planet.

01:20:09.000 I mean, he's right up there.

01:20:10.000 I mean, you go back to Willy Papp and a lot of the guys from the old days and for sure Lomachenko today, but in terms of like overall performance against elite fighters over the course of his career, the guy's only been tagged hard like five or six times ever.

01:20:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:20:26.000 He's a fucking freak. 0.99

01:20:27.000 And hard work. 1.00

01:20:29.000 I mean, you look at him, he's throwing money around, driving Bentleys, but that fucking guy will get on the strip and he'll be running miles at 3 o'clock in the morning. 0.98

01:20:38.000 He opens up his gym at 3 o'clock in the morning and just does 15 rounds in the back. 0.99

01:20:41.000 He works hard.

01:20:43.000 I mean, I don't know if he works that hard anymore.

01:20:45.000 Yeah, that'll be an interesting one. 1.00

01:20:47.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

01:20:47.000 I'll watch it. 1.00

01:20:48.000 I hope it goes down.

01:20:49.000 Look, he might get his... 0.99

01:20:51.000 Connor might get his ass handed to him, but he might not. 0.99

01:20:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:20:54.000 You know, he might tag Floyd. 0.99

01:20:56.000 I mean, if he can...

01:20:56.000 Connor is very good at closing distance and snapping off, like, lead shots.

01:21:02.000 Like, that's one of the things that he did with Nate.

01:21:04.000 And he's a southpaw.

01:21:05.000 If he can just snap off one or two clean shots and make it interesting, it'll be fun.

01:21:11.000 I don't know if he can.

01:21:12.000 I don't know what he can do straight boxing.

01:21:14.000 Yeah, it's so hard to judge.

01:21:16.000 Yeah.

01:21:17.000 Come on.

01:21:18.000 To judge without knowing, without seeing.

01:21:20.000 And if they do do it, I think they're going to do it somewhere around September.

01:21:24.000 I think that's the idea.

01:21:25.000 Dang.

01:21:26.000 Jesus Christ.

01:21:27.000 So what's he doing with the UFC until then?

01:21:29.000 Nothing.

01:21:30.000 So the lightweight division is on hostage right now.

01:21:33.000 They're being held hostage.

01:21:36.000 Interim something or whatever? 0.99

01:21:37.000 Well, they were supposed to do that, but fucking Habib Nurmagomedov got sick trying to make the weight and didn't make the weight. 0.96

01:21:42.000 What happened there? 0.98

01:21:43.000 Tony Ferguson and Habib were supposed to fight and Habib's liver shut down.

01:21:47.000 Yeah, he's cutting too much weight. 0.98

01:21:49.000 These guys, they get too fucking big. 0.69

01:21:51.000 You know, they get up to 190 and they try to get down to 155 and he couldn't make it. 0.98

01:21:55.000 Was he walking around at 190?

01:21:56.000 I don't know.

01:21:57.000 That's what I heard. 1.00

01:21:58.000 I don't know what he really weighed, but he's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:22:02.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.99

01:22:02.000 Khabib's grappling is so super high level. 0.99

01:22:05.000 I wanted to see that fight so bad because Tony Ferguson is a fucking savage. 0.99

01:22:11.000 He's a straight savage. 0.99

01:22:13.000 So him versus Habib, like I watched that fight with him and Edson Barboza again the other day. 0.99

01:22:18.000 Crazy fucking wild bloodbath until Tony caught him with the darts. 0.99

01:22:22.000 It was a fucking amazing fight. 0.98

01:22:25.000 That's the guy I want to see fight a guy who's one of the only guys undefeated at the top level of the game, which is Habib. 0.98

01:22:31.000 He's the only guy that's like a top contender that's undefeated and has smashed everybody in front of him.

01:22:36.000 How much longer until he can fight again?

01:22:38.000 Who knows if he'll ever be able to make 155 again?

01:22:41.000 Who knows what kind of damage he's done to his body in these rapid, horrible weight cuts?

01:22:48.000 I don't know, man.

01:22:49.000 I don't know his medical history or his medical issues, but I know before the Michael Johnson fight, apparently he had a similar problem.

01:22:57.000 He made the weight, but apparently it was real touch-and-go.

01:23:01.000 Yeah.

01:23:02.000 Can't do that.

01:23:03.000 No, you gotta cut your calories back.

01:23:05.000 Can't do that.

01:23:05.000 I mean, you want to suffer?

01:23:07.000 Cut your calories back. 1.00

01:23:08.000 Do a lot of fucking running. 0.99

01:23:10.000 Drop some body weight. 1.00

01:23:11.000 You're gonna have to.

01:23:11.000 And it can be done.

01:23:12.000 It can be done.

01:23:13.000 You're gonna have to do it. 1.00

01:23:15.000 Because rapid dehydration, you're gonna fucking die. 0.99

01:23:18.000 Someone's gonna die. 0.99

01:23:20.000 The UFC's just passed some new weight-cutting rules.

01:23:23.000 And new weight classes, too.

01:23:24.000 Yeah.

01:23:24.000 This is from Andy Foster.

01:23:26.000 Andy Foster's the guy who runs the California State Athletic Commission, and he is such a fucking animal. 0.97

01:23:32.000 Andy Foster's one of the most important guys in terms of, like, commission, the guys who run commissions in MMA. He's, like, one of the most proactive, one of the most knowledgeable, and one of the very best. 0.98

01:23:42.000 Maybe the best.

01:23:43.000 He's so on the ball. 0.98

01:23:45.000 So he's pushed hard for these new weight classes and these new weight cutting regulations and such a fucking smart thing. 0.64

01:23:52.000 That guy's awesome, man.

01:23:54.000 I like the 225 weight class and even the 195 weight class is good.

01:23:59.000 They should do 10. They should skip 70 and do 25, 35, 45, 55, 65. Just go 10. 10 is good.

01:24:08.000 10 makes sense.

01:24:09.000 When you got like...

01:24:11.000 70, and then you got 85, and then you got 85 and 205. That's too many pounds.

01:24:17.000 What was...

01:24:17.000 I mean, GSP versus...

01:24:19.000 What were they going to do?

01:24:20.000 GSP versus Bisping?

01:24:21.000 Yeah.

01:24:22.000 I've tried to explain this to people because I've been in the room and stood next to those guys.

01:24:26.000 Bisping is a big, big, big man.

01:24:29.000 Yes, he's a big dude.

01:24:29.000 And GSP is a normal-sized guy.

01:24:32.000 I don't see how that fight was going to be...

01:24:34.000 Fair.

01:24:35.000 Also, Bisping is currently active.

01:24:39.000 GSB took years off.

01:24:41.000 Bisping is capable of fighting at 55, he says.

01:24:44.000 Bisping said he could make 55. Wow.

01:24:47.000 Yeah, so if he wins at 180, 185, he has thought about fighting either at 170 or at 155. Like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:24:56.000 He's a big dude. 1.00

01:24:57.000 I've trained with him.

01:24:58.000 He's a big, strong...

01:25:00.000 He's what?

01:25:01.000 6'2"?

01:25:01.000 Something like that?

01:25:02.000 Bisping?

01:25:02.000 Yeah.

01:25:03.000 He's tall.

01:25:04.000 He's big. 0.99

01:25:05.000 He's got fucking incredible cardio, too. 0.98

01:25:07.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.97

01:25:07.000 He's a hard worker. 0.97

01:25:08.000 Yeah.

01:25:09.000 Yeah, that guy is a perfect example of just like the ultimate like bulldog mindset and just refusing and now look at him, he's the champ.

01:25:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:17.000 And he took that fight on what, a week's notice, two weeks notice against Rockhold to win the championship?

01:25:22.000 Yeah, not even that.

01:25:23.000 I think it was a few days.

01:25:24.000 I think it was like 11 days notice or something crazy.

01:25:27.000 What's Rockhold doing now? 1.00

01:25:28.000 Just being pissed, talking shit to Dana White on Twitter. 0.98

01:25:33.000 Because he was mad that GSP got a title shot and he hasn't earned a title shot yet. 1.00

01:25:36.000 He's like, what the fuck did GSP do? 0.96

01:25:39.000 Oh man, the whole weight class is in a flux. 0.99

01:25:42.000 There's a funny meme of...

01:25:44.000 Because Bisping said that his knee is hurt.

01:25:47.000 Because they said that...

01:25:48.000 The UFC said they want him to fight Yoel Romero because the GSP fight is off.

01:25:52.000 And he's like, well, actually my knees hurt, so I have to wait for GSP. So he's like, I can't really train right now.

01:25:58.000 I'm good.

01:25:59.000 I'm just going to sit back and take a little break.

01:26:01.000 So there's a funny meme of Michael Bisping in the hospital bed that says Bisping be like, I'll just sit here and wait for GSP. Oh, that's harsh, man.

01:26:11.000 Yole's a savage. 0.99

01:26:13.000 He's terrifying. 0.67

01:26:14.000 But that really bummed me out when Tim Kennedy lost him.

01:26:17.000 Well, that was cheating.

01:26:18.000 Yeah, that shouldn't have happened.

01:26:19.000 It was cheating.

01:26:20.000 And that was horrible.

01:26:22.000 Tim did a little bit of cheating in that fight, too.

01:26:23.000 What'd he do?

01:26:24.000 He grabbed his gloves.

01:26:25.000 Oh.

01:26:25.000 He's grabbed the inside of his glove and punched him in the face a couple times while he's holding Yoel's glove.

01:26:30.000 Oh.

01:26:30.000 But people show that in slow motion, but what they don't understand is you're showing slow motion.

01:26:37.000 Like, it looks like he's holding onto it for a while and punching.

01:26:40.000 In real life, it was less than a second, or maybe a second.

01:26:43.000 And it's probably just...

01:26:44.000 Chaos!

01:26:45.000 Yeah, and he's grabbing hold of something. 0.99

01:26:47.000 Just throwing shit, whether or not he actually knew that he had his glove consciously. 0.85

01:26:51.000 The gloves make a really big difference in grappling. 0.99

01:26:55.000 Yeah, huge.

01:26:56.000 You've got to train with them if you're going to fight with them.

01:26:59.000 Securing chokes. 1.00

01:27:00.000 I mean, even Damien Maia, you see him get rear naked chokes with the hand on top of the head, like old school Ken Shamrock style. 0.97

01:27:06.000 Because he can't get the hand back there. 0.80

01:27:08.000 He just can't get it.

01:27:09.000 Yeah.

01:27:10.000 And people start grabbing.

01:27:11.000 If you get a guillotine, then people are grabbing the inside of that glove.

01:27:14.000 It's hard.

01:27:15.000 It's a lot harder to finish stuff than people have gloves on.

01:27:17.000 Well, some people finish with it.

01:27:19.000 Josh Thompson used to grab his own glove, which you can do.

01:27:23.000 You can get deep in there.

01:27:24.000 I saw him choke somebody out with that.

01:27:26.000 I was like, ooh, you can do that.

01:27:28.000 I think you can grab your own glove.

01:27:29.000 And that makes a nice handle if you can slip your fingers in there.

01:27:32.000 You have to train with them if you're going to fight with them.

01:27:34.000 You have to.

01:27:34.000 It's amazing how hard it is to choke people when you have those, especially those pride gloves, the big padded ones.

01:27:41.000 Even Marcelo Garcia was having a really hard time with it when he had his one lone MMA fight.

01:27:46.000 He had this dude's back and he couldn't finish him and a lot of it is because of those extra pads.

01:27:51.000 They make a big difference.

01:27:52.000 They really do.

01:27:53.000 I don't think you should wear gloves.

01:27:54.000 I really don't.

01:27:55.000 I totally agree with you.

01:27:56.000 I think fighting, if you could kick somebody in the shin to the face, like you can shin somebody in the face but you can't knuckle them in the face.

01:28:02.000 Yeah, I think it would be so helpful for all the head trauma that's happening if they took off the gloves and you had to either strike with an open palm or you had to pay the price because I might hit you twice before I broke my hand and now I'm going to be grappling with you and trying to take you down.

01:28:15.000 I don't think people understand that, that if someone just ducks their head down and you hit them with a straight punch to the forehead, you are very likely to break your hand.

01:28:23.000 I don't think you should be able to wrap your hands either.

01:28:25.000 I really don't.

01:28:25.000 That would be awesome.

01:28:26.000 I think you should have a cup on and a mouthpiece and shorts.

01:28:32.000 And I really think that's it. 1.00

01:28:34.000 And people are like, oh, you're a fucking idiot, you're a barbarian, they need to cover their gloves. 1.00

01:28:38.000 No, they don't. 1.00

01:28:39.000 You're less of a barbarian.

01:28:40.000 You make yourself more able to hit someone, and you don't really help them at all.

01:28:48.000 It's harder to hit someone bare knuckle.

01:28:50.000 It's more realistic.

01:28:53.000 I wish they would make that change.

01:28:55.000 I wish that would change everything.

01:28:57.000 How come you can elbow somebody, but you can't bare knuckle them?

01:28:59.000 That's crazy.

01:29:00.000 Your knuckles are way more vulnerable.

01:29:02.000 Yeah.

01:29:03.000 It's way harder to get that off.

01:29:05.000 Until you wrap it up, then you make it like a cast.

01:29:08.000 You wrap it up and you get a nice, stiff wrist wrap where your wrist isn't going anywhere enough to wear buckling and flexing when you punch someone.

01:29:16.000 It's hardcore when they wrap up those hands, boy, like even like holding pads for guys when we're backstage getting ready, they just turn it up.

01:29:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:25.000 But they'll never make that change, I don't think.

01:29:28.000 I think they should.

01:29:29.000 And I think really for the head trauma of the people that are fighting, that's who really needs it.

01:29:34.000 For sure.

01:29:34.000 You get hit in the head all those times, and it's not good for you.

01:29:39.000 No, it's not good for you.

01:29:40.000 And again, that goes back to the grappling thing.

01:29:42.000 I think we see more submissions.

01:29:44.000 I think it would be way easier to catch people with stuff.

01:29:47.000 Like, it'd be way easier to secure guillotines and chokes. 0.99

01:29:51.000 It's just, you wouldn't have all these restrictions of having something on your hands.

01:29:55.000 Your hands need to be able to articulate and move to secure certain grips.

01:29:59.000 And you'd see a lot more submissions, I think.

01:30:02.000 Yeah, it's too bad they don't make that change.

01:30:04.000 It'd be better for everyone.

01:30:05.000 Yeah, I mean, I remember when I first started working for the UFC, you didn't have to wear gloves.

01:30:09.000 Vitor was one of the first guys to wear them.

01:30:11.000 Vitor and Tank.

01:30:12.000 Tank was one of the first guys ever to wear gloves.

01:30:14.000 And he wore those gloves that he was wearing were like old school century martial arts Chuck Norris gloves.

01:30:21.000 Like nobody had even thought to wear those.

01:30:23.000 I think Tank was like the innovator.

01:30:25.000 Yeah, Tank was an innovator for sure.

01:30:27.000 Then Vitor innovated his head.

01:30:29.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:30:31.000 Damn man, Vitor, in the early days, I was there, his first fight in 1997, the first time at UFC 12. Nobody had seen anything like that. 0.99

01:30:40.000 This guy comes in with his blazing hand speed, built like a fucking Greek god, and everybody's like, oh Jesus, what do you do with this fucking kid? 0.99

01:30:48.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:30:48.000 That was interesting, and of course, we all heard, because I was a jiu-jitsu guy at that time, we were like, oh, he's only a purple belt, is what we were hearing, and they gave him his black belt just because he's doing this fight and blah, blah, blah, he's only a purple belt, and he comes out with just, what is it, 13 punches to the face, 0.97

01:31:04.000 bop, bop, bop, and then he did the same thing to Vandalay, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, straight punches down the pipe.

01:31:10.000 Yeah, when he fought Vanderlei, he was wearing shoes.

01:31:12.000 Remember that?

01:31:13.000 He was wearing like wrestling shoes.

01:31:14.000 There was all these wacky rules back then.

01:31:17.000 It's really interesting to see like from 1993 to 2017 how far fighting has changed and how much we know about it now.

01:31:25.000 Yeah, I always say that fighting in 1992 was theoretical.

01:31:32.000 And we you know some somebody will say something to me on the internet like hey, you know What about this martial art or whatever and I'm like what you what do you think of this?

01:31:40.000 I'm like you just no reason to theorize Not only do we know from the UFC we also have been and now a country at war for whatever 15 years So all of our guys been going overseas and doing the same stuff in combat so we know what works There's no there's no big question anymore,

01:31:55.000 right?

01:31:56.000 It's not like I wonder what happens if you poke a guy in the eye.

01:31:59.000 I know we know what happens We know what happens Yeah, it's pretty obvious.

01:32:02.000 It's not good.

01:32:03.000 Here's another thing, like Wing Chun and things like that.

01:32:06.000 Like, yeah, that'll work. 0.99

01:32:07.000 If the guy doesn't know what the fuck he's doing and you chain punch him, that'll... 0.99

01:32:11.000 It's not good. 0.99

01:32:12.000 Hit somebody 17 times in the head when they're not expecting that you've never trained before?

01:32:16.000 Definitely not good.

01:32:17.000 Very effective.

01:32:17.000 Are you going to get that off on someone who actually knows what they're doing?

01:32:21.000 I don't know, man.

01:32:22.000 You're going to get that off on a high school wrestler? 0.99

01:32:24.000 Good luck.

01:32:25.000 You're going to hit the double-legged move.

01:32:26.000 Most likely you're going flying.

01:32:27.000 Put your head on the curb.

01:32:28.000 Yeah.

01:32:29.000 It just...

01:32:30.000 It just seems to me that like, did you see that video that is becoming a huge issue in China?

01:32:35.000 Yes.

01:32:35.000 That a Chinese Tai Chi master tried to fight an MMA fighter and just got obliterated in 10 seconds?

01:32:41.000 Yep.

01:32:41.000 And this guy's had to hide.

01:32:43.000 This Chinese MMA fighter has had to go into hiding because people are offended that he battered this Tai Chi master and made their country look bad.

01:32:51.000 Yeah.

01:32:51.000 Because it's making their traditional martial art look ineffective.

01:32:55.000 Yeah, that's not...

01:32:57.000 That doesn't make sense to me.

01:32:58.000 I don't know.

01:32:59.000 Here, we can watch this real quick. 0.99

01:33:00.000 I don't know why the fuck this guy didn't understand what was gonna happen when they fought. 0.98

01:33:05.000 They sometimes... 0.99

01:33:05.000 I think they actually believe What they're saying. 0.99

01:33:09.000 This is so brutal, though.

01:33:11.000 This Tai Chi guy.

01:33:12.000 What's really bizarre is Tai Chi's not really a physical fighting martial art.

01:33:17.000 It's supposed to be something that's more of like a meditative movement.

01:33:20.000 It's like yoga.

01:33:21.000 It's like a yoga deal.

01:33:22.000 It's supposed to be great for you.

01:33:23.000 I had one of my buddies, a black belt guy named Jeff Higgs, old school jiu-jitsu guy, and he got told by a Tai Chi guy, you know, you can't take me down.

01:33:34.000 God and my buddy see that yeah, I mean that guy just got obliterated Yeah, and the only way you can ever actually know what would happen if someone punches you in the face is to train that way If you just have these ideas in your head that you're gonna stand in front of them This guy just oozing blood all over the place and he's getting up he's battered his nose is shattered wobbly and It's probably the first time he's ever been punched.

01:33:57.000 Maybe the MMA guy should have, if he had a little bit more foresight on what was going to happen, he should have come out and really done the whole respect and then the bow and then all this stuff.

01:34:09.000 And then after he defeated him, he should have helped him.

01:34:11.000 Maybe that would have helped him from a political standpoint.

01:34:17.000 I wonder.

01:34:19.000 Yeah.

01:34:19.000 But, you know, it seems to me that this is something that they need to see.

01:34:23.000 They really do, because there's too many people out there that are just buying into this foolish shit. 0.99

01:34:27.000 Well, like I said, so my buddy Jeff Higgs got this, I think it was an Aikido guy. 0.99

01:34:32.000 Does Aikido people say chi and all that?

01:34:34.000 I don't know.

01:34:35.000 Like have chi?

01:34:35.000 They probably do.

01:34:37.000 It depends on which asshole you're talking to. 0.99

01:34:38.000 Whether it was Aikido or whether it was Tai Chi, I forget. 0.99

01:34:43.000 But the guy says, you know, hey, I'm a martial artist.

01:34:46.000 And once I settle my chi...

01:34:48.000 You can't even take me down, so how are you going to do jiu-jitsu on me?

01:34:51.000 And he says, well, what do you mean you can settle your chi?

01:34:53.000 He says, you know, once I center my chi and it's based into the ground, you won't be able to move me.

01:34:58.000 You can try it if you want.

01:34:59.000 And my friend Higgs goes, uh, okay, cool.

01:35:02.000 Tell me when your chi's all centered.

01:35:04.000 And the guy, you know, does his little thing and then settles his chi and he says, okay, I'm ready.

01:35:09.000 Jeff just did.

01:35:09.000 I mean, it's no big deal.

01:35:10.000 Just hit a double leg on him.

01:35:11.000 Boom! 0.99

01:35:12.000 You know, you can't stop a double leg without defending it without spawn.

01:35:15.000 And yeah, so...

01:35:17.000 So what did he say?

01:35:18.000 The guy actually believed that.

01:35:21.000 Right?

01:35:21.000 The guy actually believed that.

01:35:24.000 That's like a type of mental illness.

01:35:26.000 It is, but I mean, you know, it's flat earth, right?

01:35:29.000 It's the same.

01:35:30.000 I don't want to bring that up right now.

01:35:32.000 It comes up so often on these podcasts.

01:35:34.000 I've got a couple people that are, you know, now, every time I talk about jiu-jitsu at all, they're like, flat earth, flat earth.

01:35:40.000 They believe it.

01:35:41.000 Yeah.

01:35:41.000 Yeah, people believe it.

01:35:42.000 I get fucking shit every day from people that are flat earth supporters that are mad at me for exposing. 1.00

01:35:47.000 They just want to believe it. 1.00

01:35:48.000 That's real.

01:35:49.000 It is a weird thing.

01:35:52.000 And by the way, one of the main guys who's into Flat Earth has a whole video about how Jiu-Jitsu doesn't work.

01:35:57.000 And it's about Wing Chun.

01:35:59.000 Isn't it like one of his biggest videos on his page?

01:36:01.000 Yeah?

01:36:02.000 Yeah.

01:36:02.000 Hilarious.

01:36:03.000 But there is something about people wanting to believe that there's mysteries and secrets.

01:36:08.000 That there's like some secret power.

01:36:10.000 Yeah.

01:36:11.000 Like, and that, you know, the idea that you could just center yourself and a college wrestler can't take you down.

01:36:16.000 Yeah, that's one of my new things that I tell people with jiu-jitsu because I used to say like jiu-jitsu is magic because it kind of is you know when you know jiu-jitsu You can do things that are almost magic, right?

01:36:26.000 But then when you're teaching somebody for the first time almost like look it's not magic It's you know I was showing somebody the other day of you know elbow escape or something from the mount and the guy's like you know he's he's it's really hard to do because he keeps pulling my arm away and You know?

01:36:40.000 And I was like, yeah, it's a fight you're in.

01:36:43.000 It's not magic.

01:36:44.000 You have to fight against the other person.

01:36:45.000 It's another human.

01:36:46.000 I just told him what to do and I told you what to do.

01:36:48.000 Now you've got to fight for it.

01:36:49.000 Yeah, you've got to figure out how to get to the right position.

01:36:52.000 It's not magic.

01:36:52.000 But it is weird that people, you know, they're looking for something to believe in, I guess?

01:36:59.000 Yeah.

01:36:59.000 And maybe they just want a contrarian viewpoint, so that's why they pick saying that the Earth is flat.

01:37:04.000 Well, I also think it's sort of the same thing with people wanting shortcuts.

01:37:07.000 I can't believe I'm going down this road right now.

01:37:09.000 I just want to walk away.

01:37:11.000 The end of podcast, I'm out.

01:37:13.000 People love shortcuts.

01:37:14.000 They love throwing out the entire paradigm of modern civilization.

01:37:21.000 It's all based on a lie.

01:37:22.000 We're not on a globe.

01:37:24.000 We're on a flat disk.

01:37:25.000 The universe spins around us.

01:37:28.000 You know people that just like to argue?

01:37:31.000 Is this maybe just people that like to...

01:37:33.000 Argue and have a contrary point?

01:37:35.000 That could be some of them, for sure.

01:37:36.000 That could be some of them.

01:37:37.000 For some of them, I think it's just that they...

01:37:39.000 So is there people that straight up, just straight up believe that the Earth is fine, 100%?

01:37:44.000 100%.

01:37:45.000 In their soul.

01:37:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:46.000 In their soul.

01:37:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:37:47.000 They really believe it.

01:37:48.000 But there's also people that join the Moonies.

01:37:51.000 You know, there's people that join Scientology. 1.00

01:37:54.000 Yeah, I mean, look, there's people out there that'll suck a dick if they think it'll make them live forever. 1.00

01:37:58.000 They say, are you sure I suck your dick, I'm going to live forever? 1.00

01:38:00.000 Yes. 1.00

01:38:01.000 Yes.

01:38:01.000 The knowledge will flow through you, but you have to believe.

01:38:04.000 Yeah, well, down in San Diego, I don't know what it was 10 years ago, 15 years ago, they had that Heaven's Gate thing where all these people put on those purple shoes.

01:38:11.000 They put on the purple Nikes and they killed themselves when the comet was flying by.

01:38:15.000 Yeah.

01:38:15.000 And it shows you again, you know, now we're, you know, you're talking about the human mind is just so complicated and complex that it's grasping for something to believe in and some people aren't going to believe in anything.

01:38:27.000 Yeah.

01:38:28.000 Well, you know, it's one of the things that Guy Ritchie brought up the other day about your book, Extreme Ownership.

01:38:32.000 And it's one thing that I think you and I are both really focused on is the way the brain works and the way the mind works.

01:38:40.000 And this is one of the things that I think that you reinforce with these big photos of your watch every day.

01:38:46.000 It's like the mind works in very peculiar ways.

01:38:50.000 And it's kind of pliable.

01:38:52.000 And you can force it into positive, productive ways.

01:38:55.000 You can express yourself in these very positive, productive ways and carve those grooves of productivity and of advancement.

01:39:07.000 Well, it's what you're talking about.

01:39:09.000 We just talked about the Moonies and the Scientology where people are trying to do mind control.

01:39:14.000 And when I talk about mind control, I'm talking about control your own mind.

01:39:17.000 You know, you can make yourself exactly what you're just saying.

01:39:20.000 You can make yourself and force yourself to do things.

01:39:23.000 And once you get in that groove and get in that habit, it becomes part of you and that becomes who you are.

01:39:28.000 And why not be that person than the other person that's not doing positive things?

01:39:33.000 Yeah, but people like to also pretend that the way they're doing it is the right way.

01:39:39.000 They don't want to be open to the idea that there's some other method that's maybe more productive and more successful.

01:39:45.000 Well, there's the downfall.

01:39:46.000 Again, I think this is one of the reasons why your show is so popular and why...

01:39:54.000 People listen to you because you listen to other people, right?

01:39:58.000 People listen to you because you listen to other people.

01:39:59.000 You listen to what they have to say.

01:40:01.000 You go, okay, that's an interesting viewpoint.

01:40:02.000 I haven't heard that before.

01:40:04.000 And I'm the same way.

01:40:06.000 When somebody tells me, hey, this is what I believe, I don't say, well, I don't believe that.

01:40:10.000 I believe something else.

01:40:11.000 I go, that's interesting.

01:40:12.000 That's an interesting viewpoint. 1.00

01:40:13.000 Yeah, I always want to try to see things from other people's perspective, and it's hard because the brain wants to go, fuck this guy. 1.00

01:40:20.000 This guy's no shit. 1.00

01:40:21.000 You're right, dude. 0.99

01:40:23.000 This guy's wrong.

01:40:23.000 But you always gotta, like, pause and think.

01:40:25.000 I mean, again, I hate to bring this back up, but that could easily be what's also going on with the flat earth thing.

01:40:30.000 Because they have this idea in their head, and then someone says, you know, there's no photos of the Earth other than composites.

01:40:36.000 If there really was a round Earth, you'd be able to see a whole...

01:40:39.000 And they go, oh, actually, there's a photo taken every 10 minutes from 22,000 miles away of the full Earth.

01:40:45.000 Well, that's not true!

01:40:46.000 Well, that's fake! 0.88

01:40:48.000 And they get into this thing, and they get into this thing because they don't want to ever stop and pause and look at the way they're thinking versus the way other people are thinking and go, okay, did I get myself in a fucking trap here?

01:41:00.000 Did I get myself into an intellectual trap where I'm supporting an idea that's not true, and now I'm reinforcing that in my head, and I'm tightening up all my borders and trying to figure out a way to not let new ideas in and to reinforce my old ideas?

01:41:15.000 You know, your podcast with Jordan Peterson the other day, he kind of brought that up, which I think, by the way, if anyone hasn't listened to that podcast, that's got to be one of the best podcasts that I've ever heard.

01:41:23.000 He's a mind blower.

01:41:24.000 Unbelievable podcast.

01:41:25.000 And he's talking about the fact that sometimes people, if they accept those new ideas, all of a sudden what they've done with their life for the past 20 years gets thrown out the window.

01:41:35.000 Yeah, and that's got to be really hard and immediately when I was listening to that I was thinking to myself Yeah, that's that's what happened in the 90s when somebody that had been studying some traditional martial art god bless them They were doing the best they could but when all of a sudden some blue belt in jiu-jitsu could come in there and roll them up and choke them out and there was nothing they could do about it and they either had to do one of two things say Okay,

01:41:57.000 I'm gonna start training this other new thing that I don't understand or block it out, which was very hard to do with Jiu Jitsu I mean that's the good thing about MMA and about UFC is it was like You can deny it all you want, but you have to face this guy on the mat That's the only way you can and when you do that you're gonna lose whereas with all these kind of intellectual arguments A lot of times,

01:42:16.000 it's just I say, you say.

01:42:18.000 I say, you say.

01:42:19.000 And if you tell me, you know, if I'm telling you that every picture of the earth is, whatever, CGI, and that's what I'm going to hold, and I'm not going to let it go, and how are you going to prove to me otherwise?

01:42:28.000 And every single picture you show me, I say, no, that's CGI. And you show me another picture, and I say, no, that's CGI. We're never going to get anywhere.

01:42:34.000 I'm not arguing with you about it.

01:42:35.000 You're never going to tap.

01:42:37.000 You're just gonna turtle up in a ball.

01:42:40.000 I had to go through three of those, man, because I started out with Taekwondo, which was, it's not a good martial art for fighting.

01:42:48.000 By itself, it's got too many holes in it, but it's a great martial art.

01:43:09.000 I'm good at Taekwondo.

01:43:11.000 I'm not good at fighting. 0.99

01:43:13.000 And then I started doing Muay Thai, and I'm like, oh, well, fucking leg kicks. 0.99

01:43:17.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99

01:43:18.000 Leg kicks and knees to the body and the clench. 1.00

01:43:20.000 I was like, oh, fuck. 0.99

01:43:22.000 There's so much I can... 1.00

01:43:23.000 I'm so fucked. 0.99

01:43:24.000 You know, because I got really good at something that kind of sucks on its own. 1.00

01:43:29.000 And then from there, jujitsu. 0.98

01:43:31.000 Where I was just getting raped.

01:43:33.000 I was like, at least with kickboxing, I could throw kicks. 0.90

01:43:36.000 I could move around.

01:43:38.000 I could try not to get my legs kicked.

01:43:40.000 I could try to be more mobile. 0.98

01:43:42.000 But when I was going into jujitsu as a white belt, I was just getting fucking mauled. 0.89

01:43:47.000 So what happens? 0.84

01:43:47.000 And I had to accept it and then so I literally stopped doing everything else and they said, I've got to get better at this. 0.84

01:43:53.000 There's no way I can.

01:43:54.000 You can't even start like a white, but someone that's never trained Jiu Jitsu before has a 0% chance of beating a A guy that's a black belt. 0.93

01:44:04.000 Yeah, zero.

01:44:04.000 Like zero percent chance.

01:44:05.000 They're not gonna be able to do it.

01:44:07.000 If you take somebody that doesn't really know how to fight against a boxer, there is a puncher's chance.

01:44:13.000 I mean, there's a puncher's chance.

01:44:14.000 It's probably not gonna happen.

01:44:15.000 It's a crazy chance, but who knows?

01:44:18.000 It could, and at least the person that hasn't boxed before has some semblance of an idea Of what to do.

01:44:25.000 Right.

01:44:26.000 Block the punches from hitting me and try and punch the other guy.

01:44:29.000 Right.

01:44:29.000 When you don't know jujitsu, you don't even understand what's happening.

01:44:33.000 You're completely lost.

01:44:34.000 Yeah, and there's certain positions, like if you get your back taken or something like that, where you're almost 100% dead.

01:44:40.000 Yeah, but I think that there's parallels to that in life, because if you look at life and you look at the way you're behaving and the way you're thinking and the way you choose to accept ideas and the way that you choose to view the world, if you're so rigid in your ideology that you're unwilling to accept Any sort of new information and new data or any sort of contrary data or information,

01:45:03.000 like someone who's telling you something that you don't agree with, but you're going, okay, well, all right, well, what's your perspective?

01:45:09.000 Instead of just agreeing or disagreeing with them and arguing and going to war with them, try to take it in.

01:45:15.000 Try to go, okay, well, what is this guy saying that has merit?

01:45:17.000 Where's this guy coming from?

01:45:18.000 Or even if I totally disagree with him, what makes him think this?

01:45:22.000 It's like, what's going on in your head that you think that we should take everyone's money and distribute it equally across the country?

01:45:29.000 There's people that believe that.

01:45:30.000 That everyone who's ever been successful somehow or another got it through stealing, and then what we need to do is take all the money in the country and redistribute all this wealth so everybody gets $50,000.

01:45:41.000 Okay.

01:45:41.000 Alright, why do you think this?

01:45:43.000 Yeah, I want to know, you know?

01:45:45.000 I might argue with it, or I might see your point, or I might think that if you did do this, but you still...

01:45:51.000 If you did this right now, this is what I think, if you did this right now, if you took all the money from all the billionaires and all these fucking rich tycoons, all of them, and took all their money and distributed it equally amongst everybody in the country, How long would it take if you just allowed normal capitalism to flourish after that?

01:46:08.000 How long would it take before the levels went right back to where they are?

01:46:12.000 Would it be 10 years?

01:46:13.000 Would it be 20?

01:46:14.000 How long would it take?

01:46:15.000 It wouldn't be long.

01:46:15.000 The way I explained that concept to my children was I said, okay, here's what communism is, because this is what you're talking about.

01:46:23.000 I said, my kids are really hard workers and they do well in school.

01:46:27.000 And I said, you know, you study hard for your test, right?

01:46:30.000 Let's say you get a 90, 95 on your test. 0.99

01:46:34.000 And then what happens with communism is there's another kid in your class, who's the dumbest kid? 0.99

01:46:39.000 Billy? 0.99

01:46:39.000 Okay, Billy's getting a whatever, a 30. So what we're gonna do is you're gonna take the test, and then we're gonna take whatever points from you and give them to Billy, so that you both get a D. And that's what we're gonna do. 0.99

01:46:51.000 Now that's what communism is.

01:46:52.000 Now, if I do that, is that gonna inspire you to work any harder?

01:46:57.000 The answer is obviously no.

01:46:58.000 You're gonna get a D no matter what.

01:47:01.000 Is it gonna inspire Billy to work any harder?

01:47:03.000 The answer is no.

01:47:04.000 It is not.

01:47:04.000 Billy's not going to work any harder.

01:47:06.000 So what we have is no one working.

01:47:07.000 And that's what happens in communism.

01:47:09.000 You're all just level set.

01:47:11.000 You're all going to get the same thing.

01:47:12.000 And that's why it's failed everywhere it's tried.

01:47:14.000 Yeah, it's not the right idea for just the way the human reward system works.

01:47:19.000 It's not the right idea for motivation.

01:47:21.000 It's not the right idea for...

01:47:23.000 Like, the only way things get done, the only way you get a laptop or a big skyscraper, someone has to profit from it.

01:47:29.000 They have to get something out of it.

01:47:31.000 And by the way, someone has to make that happen.

01:47:33.000 Someone has to be driven to want that laptop and to want that skyscraper.

01:47:37.000 Somebody's got to want to make that.

01:47:38.000 And you're right.

01:47:39.000 For them to want it, there's got to be some reward.

01:47:41.000 There's got to be some reward.

01:47:42.000 Part of being driven is you've got to have something to show for it.

01:47:45.000 So we gotta be really careful that the amount of, you know, wealth that you spread around, if you spread it all around, you're gonna end up with no one wanting to achieve anything.

01:47:54.000 Yeah, like I hear Bernie Sanders talk and he seems like a really nice guy.

01:47:58.000 And he seems like he really has his mind in the right place and his heart in the right place.

01:48:03.000 This idea of democratic socialism.

01:48:05.000 I see him talking to people.

01:48:06.000 I'm like, well, that's definitely better than being greedy.

01:48:08.000 It's definitely better than being corrupted by the banks. 0.99

01:48:11.000 It's definitely better than being corrupted by Wall Street and giving these bullshit, phony speeches for hundreds of thousands of dollars and fucking over people for profit. 1.00

01:48:18.000 But... 1.00

01:48:20.000 Does that shit, but does socialism really work? 1.00

01:48:23.000 It doesn't seem to work. 1.00

01:48:24.000 It doesn't seem to, like, work in terms of, like, human motivation.

01:48:26.000 No, it doesn't even work for Bernie Sanders, who has multiple homes.

01:48:30.000 You know?

01:48:30.000 He does!

01:48:31.000 I mean, the guy's got multiple homes.

01:48:32.000 He just bought a house for, you know, $800,000.

01:48:36.000 And does he open that up to the public to come and stay in his house?

01:48:39.000 No.

01:48:40.000 No, of course not.

01:48:41.000 So, it's...

01:48:42.000 Well, that's different?

01:48:43.000 We're talking about a different thing?

01:48:45.000 I've earned this money, serving the people.

01:48:48.000 Yeah, exactly right.

01:48:49.000 You did earn that money.

01:48:50.000 And if you want to go out and buy that second home on a lake, do it.

01:48:54.000 Good for you, Bernie.

01:48:55.000 But don't try and, you know, make it like that's...

01:49:01.000 That's okay to take everyone else's money.

01:49:03.000 They will do to everybody else, but not to me.

01:49:05.000 It doesn't work.

01:49:06.000 Well the concept of income inequality is always strange because it's like well Okay, but you should you make the same amount of money for a job that doesn't have the same amount of importance and significant?

01:49:17.000 I'll just go ahead and straight-up answer for you.

01:49:19.000 No, you shouldn't if if you got paid after 10 years of medical school the same that you got paid to drive a bus After you busted your ass and worked hard and had to study and do all this stuff to go to medical school and by the way You built up a bunch of debt trying to go to school. 0.55

01:49:35.000 Hey, why wouldn't you just become a bus driver?

01:49:37.000 Motivation shouldn't be financial your motivation should be helping people You gotta be we we have to be careful that and and of course I There are people that legitimately need help in the world.

01:49:51.000 There's people with disabilities.

01:49:53.000 There's people with mental problems.

01:49:55.000 And we've got to be compassionate and take care of those people to the best of our ability.

01:49:59.000 But we definitely need to watch out for, hey, let's steal everything from the people that worked hard and give it to the people that didn't.

01:50:06.000 Yeah, it just doesn't seem like a good idea.

01:50:09.000 It seems contrary to what we know about human motivation, basic human instincts.

01:50:14.000 Yeah, and then where do you stop?

01:50:15.000 Yeah.

01:50:16.000 Where do you stop?

01:50:16.000 Legitimately, like, worldwide.

01:50:18.000 Because we could distribute all the money and wealth that we've built in America and distribute it over the whole world.

01:50:23.000 Well, I think a better concept is figuring out why there are pockets of extreme poverty and how to mitigate those pockets of poverty that have just...

01:50:31.000 I mean, generation after generation, certain neighborhoods have just been extreme poverty.

01:50:36.000 And these people that grow up there, that's what they know.

01:50:38.000 They're sort of almost programmed into it because they're seeing it around them.

01:50:42.000 That is the paradigm that they accept.

01:50:45.000 And it's very self-limiting in a lot of ways.

01:50:48.000 We don't see anybody escape or you see very few people escape.

01:50:50.000 It's very...

01:50:51.000 You feel like...

01:50:53.000 Resistance is futile.

01:50:54.000 What do you do?

01:50:56.000 I wish I knew all the details of this, but there was a Native American tribe, and somebody I'm sure will tell me what it is, but there was a Native American tribe in Northern California that when all the Native American tribes got designated Native American tribes and they got you know Here's what you're gonna get and this is your tribe and this is these guys for whatever reason they didn't get it They didn't get designated as a Native American tribe. 0.58

01:51:21.000 They just got they got passed over no one noticed them and Now all the members that tribe like completely dominate they run everything financially they own everything up there They kind of kicked ass right And it's because they had to and I think a lot of times when when people just get given stuff It becomes very very difficult for them to say you know what I'm gonna go out and work hard You know am I gonna bust it's a classic example of hey am I gonna bust my ass at McDonald's for eight bucks an hour 40 hours

01:51:51.000 a week or whatever 30 hours a week for nine bucks an hour I'm gonna work that hard doing that or am I just gonna take my welfare check which is equal to or almost equal to for sitting around doing nothing Yeah, that's not a hard question to answer for many many people.

01:52:04.000 Yeah, I'm gonna sit around and do nothing So we had to be careful about it's hard. 0.99

01:52:09.000 Yeah, it is hard It's it is a natural inclination that people have to do the least amount to just be as comfortable as possible or as lazy as possible You know, I think your your statement that you always say discipline equals freedom is People should have that shit tattooed on their thigh. 0.99

01:52:25.000 You should look at that when you get up in the morning and put your underwear on. 0.90

01:52:29.000 That shit is so important because if you do have discipline and if you do go out there and get the things done that you need to get done, you have freedom and you feel better and you feel relaxed because you don't have that balloon hovering over you. 0.98

01:52:45.000 That balloon of, you know, just knowing that you're not doing your best, knowing that you're not out there hustling. 0.99

01:52:52.000 And if you just get a free check every month, and you don't really have to go out there and kick ass, you can kind of get by.

01:52:59.000 Boy, that doesn't...

01:53:00.000 It's not... 0.99

01:53:01.000 It's not conducive to lighting that fire under your ass that you need to be successful. 0.99

01:53:05.000 Yeah, and again, I know I'm going to point this out for, I think, the second or third time today. 0.99

01:53:08.000 I'm no sociologist.

01:53:10.000 I'm not some big guy that understands the mechanisms of the welfare state and all that.

01:53:16.000 I'm just going off of what I think, which is similar to what you're saying.

01:53:20.000 If I was just getting a check for not doing anything, I wouldn't feel good about it.

01:53:23.000 You know, I wouldn't feel good about it.

01:53:25.000 And so, I think that there are people that go, hey, if I can get free money, I'm going to take the free money.

01:53:32.000 You know, there is a concept of universal basic income that's kind of interesting, though.

01:53:36.000 Because this idea is that once we get automation and once we get artificial intelligence, there's going to be...

01:53:43.000 So many jobs that don't exist anymore that we got to figure out what to do with all these people.

01:53:48.000 And the idea is if you just have your basic needs taken care of, like not enough so that you could actually thrive, but just where you have food and shelter.

01:53:58.000 How many people would then pursue their actual love and what they're actually passionate about?

01:54:04.000 And would it be the same?

01:54:04.000 There's tests they're doing on it now.

01:54:07.000 They're trying to find out, would the same amount of people be successful?

01:54:10.000 Would more be successful or would less?

01:54:12.000 Like, how many people would pursue their dream if they knew they didn't have to worry about starving to death?

01:54:17.000 If they just got money every month, they knew where they were going to sleep and eat, and then they could just go and do whatever the fuck they wanted to do?

01:54:23.000 Or would that just squash motivation? 0.95

01:54:27.000 I don't know.

01:54:28.000 I don't know what the answer is.

01:54:29.000 I don't know either.

01:54:29.000 I'll tell you what I think.

01:54:30.000 I think it squashes motivation.

01:54:32.000 For some, right?

01:54:32.000 I think, yeah.

01:54:33.000 But would it for you?

01:54:34.000 If you got a check every month for like $12,000 or $12,000 for the year or whatever it is, I think that's the idea.

01:54:40.000 So you give people like $1,000 a year or $1,000 a month.

01:54:43.000 $1,000 a month?

01:54:44.000 Yeah, maybe double that.

01:54:45.000 Just enough that you could just get by, but you're not balling.

01:54:49.000 Well, two questions.

01:54:50.000 Number one, of course, would I take free money?

01:54:52.000 Sure.

01:54:52.000 Would I feel good about it?

01:54:53.000 No.

01:54:54.000 Number two, where does that money come from?

01:54:55.000 Right, where does it come from?

01:54:57.000 Because that's a thing that I also explain to my kids, is that every time the government gives a dollar to somebody...

01:55:05.000 They took that dollar from somebody else.

01:55:06.000 Yeah, so and it's you know, it's that's the reality of it.

01:55:10.000 Yeah Then the question is like where like when a guy like Bernie Madoff or some crazy Wall Street character When they just move some money around and make money like okay, how much you getting out of that?

01:55:23.000 Where's that coming from?

01:55:24.000 Who's whose money was that like where's that go?

01:55:27.000 Where's that going and has it how does it exist and Well, Bernie's a bad example, right?

01:55:32.000 Because he was stealing everyone's money.

01:55:33.000 Or the best example.

01:55:34.000 Well, okay.

01:55:35.000 Yeah.

01:55:35.000 I'll give you that.

01:55:36.000 I'll give you that.

01:55:37.000 Yeah.

01:55:38.000 But again, those people are formulating companies and funding companies that are trying to grow and build and create things.

01:55:46.000 You know, that money, it moves somewhere and it ends up, you know, investing in a company and building a company.

01:55:52.000 That's what America is, right?

01:55:54.000 Yeah.

01:55:55.000 Trying to build things, trying to make things.

01:55:57.000 Yeah.

01:55:58.000 Taking risk. 1.00

01:55:59.000 I wonder what is gonna happen though when all these fucking robots start doing our jobs. 0.99

01:56:02.000 Well, I think a big one is the automatic driving cars and trucks. 0.99

01:56:06.000 Because that's a huge, you know, you go to Vegas.

01:56:09.000 I always think about this when I'm in Vegas and you go to the buffet and there's like 10 billion pounds of food.

01:56:13.000 None of that food comes from Vegas.

01:56:15.000 It all gets trucked in there.

01:56:16.000 So at some point, all those trucks can be driven by robots.

01:56:19.000 And that's not too far in the future at all.

01:56:21.000 I think they're already doing it in Australia.

01:56:23.000 Whew.

01:56:23.000 They already have automated trucks in Australia that are shipping things around.

01:56:28.000 It's gonna get weird.

01:56:30.000 Yeah, it's gonna get real weird.

01:56:32.000 Between that and genetic engineering and all these different things that we've been talking about, it's gonna get really weird.

01:56:37.000 And I think, again, going back to the original conversation we started off with today, I think the weirder it gets and the further we get away from primal sort of existence of hunting down food and fighting against other tribes, I think the further we get away from that, the more we're gonna have to reach back to it and ground ourselves to it.

01:56:54.000 Well, at the very least, the more you're going to have to deal with whatever requirements your body and your mind have for difficulty.

01:57:00.000 I think we have requirements for struggle and difficulty because I think your body is set up to...

01:57:06.000 I think biologically we have certain expectations for difficulty.

01:57:11.000 And when you don't uncover those or encounter those expectations, I think people find a real lack of meaning in this lack of stress and this peace.

01:57:21.000 And that's why we're gonna have to reach back to this physicality at some point.

01:57:26.000 And it's not just physicality.

01:57:28.000 Like you're saying, it's a mental struggle, too.

01:57:30.000 It's trying to achieve things.

01:57:31.000 It's trying to win.

01:57:32.000 It's trying to be competitive.

01:57:33.000 If I'm just sitting there and I don't have a job anymore and I just get, you know, $12,000 a month and that's enough for me to pay my food and pay my rent, I'm just gonna sit there and play video games.

01:57:42.000 Yeah.

01:57:43.000 I don't think that's the kind of existence I would want to live.

01:57:46.000 It might not even just be physical, too.

01:57:48.000 I think it's just in overcoming and enduring and figuring things out, like even writing a book. 0.95

01:57:52.000 I'm sure you're feeling like you have a new book out, The Way of the Warrior Kid, and I'm sure the feeling that you get when you write a book and complete it is, I fucking did it. 0.77

01:58:01.000 I made that happen. 0.76

01:58:03.000 I didn't want to get through all those days.

01:58:05.000 There was a lot of times I didn't want to write, but I got through it, and here it is.

01:58:08.000 There's a satisfaction of accomplishing goals and of overcoming Obstacles and problems, and they don't have to be physical.

01:58:15.000 I think there's mental requirements that we have as well.

01:58:18.000 Yeah, I think when people aren't mentally challenged, they just start to fade, right? 0.95

01:58:23.000 And if you're not looking for the physical and the mental challenges, you're going to start to fade.

01:58:27.000 So you've got to be careful of that.

01:58:29.000 Why did you write this book?

01:58:30.000 Well, it's a kid's book.

01:58:31.000 It's a kid's book, Way of the Warrior Kid.

01:58:34.000 And the reason I wrote it is because, first of all, all the things that we're talking about right now, They're happening even more to kids.

01:58:42.000 I mean, you have kids, right?

01:58:43.000 iPads, iPhones, they're sucked into technology, and there's nothing completely wrong with that, but if they get sucked into technology and they don't ever come out of it, you've got issues.

01:58:54.000 Yeah.

01:58:55.000 And being a kid, if you remember, and a lot of people forget this, being a kid is hard.

01:59:00.000 Being a kid is hard.

01:59:02.000 And in this particular book, there's a kid.

01:59:04.000 His name is Mark.

01:59:06.000 He's in fifth grade.

01:59:08.000 He's got kind of the typical issues that a fifth grader has.

01:59:11.000 He can't do any pull-ups.

01:59:13.000 So in gym class, when they're doing pull-ups, he's getting made fun of. 1.00

01:59:17.000 He's doesn't know his times tables which you should absolutely know in fifth grade, but he doesn't know him So he's thinks he's stupid now.

01:59:24.000 He doesn't know how to swim because he never learned and He's when they go on the field trip to the to the lake. 0.94

01:59:30.000 He doesn't know how to swim So everyone's having a good time and he can't and eventually they call him out on it And finally he's getting picked on by the big bully Kenny Williamson. 0.99

01:59:38.000 Oh, fucking Kenny. 1.00

01:59:39.000 That piece of shit. 1.00

01:59:41.000 Kenny Williamson. 1.00

01:59:42.000 So, the book starts off last day of school.

01:59:46.000 Basically, all these problems come to a head.

01:59:48.000 He's all bummed out, crying behind the library.

01:59:51.000 Goes home, and when he gets home, his mom reminds him that his uncle, Uncle Jake, is coming to stay with him for the summer.

01:59:58.000 Uncle Jake is a guy that was a SEAL in the SEAL teams and he's just got out of the SEAL teams and he's gonna go to college in the fall But he's gonna spend the summer with his sister and with his nephew Mark and so you know that the Navy SEAL shows up Uncle Jake shows up and he sees his little nephew and he says hey,

02:00:18.000 you know They're actually staying in the same room and he says hey, you know what are you gonna do tomorrow?

02:00:22.000 You know you wanna go play some ball you want to go for a swim and the kid says you know like I I don't want to play ball.

02:00:28.000 It's not fun and and I don't know how to swim and I don't know these breaks down, you know getting picked on the whole nine yards and his uncle says Okay, so you can't swim you don't know your times tables You can't do any pull-ups and you're getting picked on we can change all those things We just have to get a plan put it together and make it happen So puts him on the workout program teaches him how to study teaches him how to swim teaches him jiu-jitsu If it was only that easy Yeah, 0.98

02:00:55.000 and what's what's good is It's not as hard as people think and I think that's why the books getting a strong reaction because there's actually pragmatic methods in there on For instance, I went through all this stuff not knowing not knowing times tables I went through that with my daughter my oldest daughter didn't know her times tables and what she thought was She's stupid. 0.96

02:01:15.000 She thought I'm stupid.

02:01:16.000 I don't know my times tables other kids know them I don't know them and I said to her, you know, she's crying and You know, she's in whatever third or fourth grade crying. 0.98

02:01:23.000 What's wrong? 1.00

02:01:23.000 I'm stupid. 1.00

02:01:24.000 Why do you think you're stupid? 1.00

02:01:25.000 I don't know my times tables. 1.00

02:01:27.000 Well, how much have you studied them?

02:01:29.000 I haven't studied them.

02:01:30.000 Well, how do you think you're gonna know them if you haven't studied them?

02:01:33.000 What do you mean study them?

02:01:34.000 Boom make flashcards an hour later?

02:01:36.000 She knows our times tables.

02:01:37.000 It's that and so I actually go through that method in the book How do you learn how to fight you're getting picked on how do you learn how to fight?

02:01:44.000 You go down to your jujitsu school, and you start learning jujitsu.

02:01:48.000 And you and I both know, if you know jujitsu in a grade school fight in sixth grade, you're going to win 100% of the time, right?

02:01:55.000 So you learn that.

02:01:58.000 Learn how to swim.

02:01:59.000 How do you do that?

02:01:59.000 And his big thing is he's afraid of water.

02:02:01.000 Well, why are you afraid of the water?

02:02:02.000 How do you overcome that fear?

02:02:04.000 How do you overcome fear?

02:02:04.000 You've got to inoculate yourself to it.

02:02:06.000 You start off wading in the water, then you dunk your head, then you lay down and you feel the water all over your body, and then eventually you step in, and then eventually you start to dog paddle, and then eventually you start to swim, and then eventually you jump off the bridge.

02:02:18.000 So these are real things.

02:02:20.000 That's how you overcome fear.

02:02:21.000 And that one I got from my middle daughter, who wanted to be in the school play, But she got stage fright and so she would freak out every time she would have to go in front of a crowd So I said okay, we're gonna inoculate you to being in front of people first You're gonna sing in front of me You know and then you're gonna sing in front of me and mom and then you're gonna sing in front of me and mom and your brothers and sisters and then you're gonna sing in front of you know our friends that are gonna come over there's gonna be ten of them and then you're gonna sing in front of you know all of the people that we know

02:02:51.000 at a block party and then you're gonna get out and you're gonna do your rehearsal and she did it and she got inoculated and I'll tell you right now she's not afraid of anything that girl and so that's the same thing that that he goes through in the book overcoming his fear of water and He inoculates to it, gets used to it, and then finally the final step is you have to go,

02:03:07.000 right?

02:03:08.000 You can't overcome every part of the unknown.

02:03:10.000 You have to, there's always going to be some unknown in doing something that you've never done before.

02:03:14.000 And then what do you do when you've prepared as much as you can, and you've done all the training that you can do?

02:03:19.000 Then you've got to step up and you've got to go.

02:03:21.000 So that's what the book's about.

02:03:22.000 And I wrote it so that kids can apply these things that I learned, both in the SEAL teams and in raising my own kids, they can apply them to their life.

02:03:29.000 And the reaction's been great.

02:03:30.000 It's been great to see all these kids reading it and all the great feedback of kids doing push-ups and pull-ups and training and going down and starting jujitsu and making flashcards.

02:03:38.000 It's awesome.

02:03:39.000 That is awesome.

02:03:40.000 And one of the cool things about being a kid is, well, it's a struggle in that you haven't really achieved any success yet in anything, but what you don't realize is that you've got all these possibilities to get good at stuff.

02:03:53.000 Once you become really good at something, one of the real problems is people don't like to get out of their comfort zone and become a beginner again.

02:04:00.000 And it's one of the beautiful things about life is humbling yourself with something new.

02:04:06.000 Humbling yourself and learning stuff.

02:04:07.000 And kids, they don't have that lesson yet, so everything is terrifying.

02:04:11.000 But once they do learn it, if you could teach a kid how to get good at one thing.

02:04:16.000 Like one of the things that led me to get good at stand-up comedy and all the other things that I did is that I got really good at martial arts young.

02:04:23.000 So I knew, okay, I sucked when I first started.

02:04:25.000 I remember sucking, but I remember I kept working and I get good at it because I focused and I put the time in. 0.97

02:04:31.000 Well, if I just do that without anything else, I mean, you've learned that you can make a path.

02:04:36.000 You can do it.

02:04:37.000 It can be done.

02:04:38.000 And that's kind of one of the main points of the book.

02:04:40.000 And when the kid finally does his 10 pull-ups, that was his goal.

02:04:44.000 And his uncle says, you know, do you understand what this is about?

02:04:47.000 And this kid says, you know, well, it's about I can do pull-ups now.

02:04:50.000 And he says, no, this is about everything.

02:04:52.000 About everything that you want to do in life.

02:04:54.000 You're gonna have to work for it.

02:04:55.000 You're gonna have to come up with a plan.

02:04:56.000 You're gonna have to have the discipline to execute that plan.

02:04:59.000 And when you do that, you're gonna be able to achieve what you want to achieve.

02:05:02.000 And that's hard work.

02:05:04.000 Hard work and discipline is what's gonna get you there.

02:05:06.000 The problem is a lot of kids don't have anybody in front of them like Jocko to tell them.

02:05:10.000 Well, and you know what?

02:05:11.000 It's interesting.

02:05:12.000 So in this book, you know, Uncle Jake is the character, and he actually addresses that in the end of the book because Uncle Jake leaves.

02:05:19.000 And the kid says, hey, you know, you're not going to be around anymore.

02:05:22.000 Who's going to lead me?

02:05:23.000 Who's going to help me train?

02:05:25.000 And he says, you didn't need me then, and you don't need me now.

02:05:28.000 You know what you need to do.

02:05:30.000 You know it's going to take hard work.

02:05:31.000 And the other thing that I did in this book, which is...

02:05:34.000 I played around with the idea but his dad the kid's dad is not really present and and the reason I did that is because a lot of kids these days don't have a dad around and he the only thing he says about his dad I put one line in there about his dad Which was,

02:05:52.000 you know, he says, my dad's gone a lot for his job and stuff.

02:05:56.000 That's the only line.

02:05:57.000 So you have an idea that the kid knows his dad and knows that he's out there.

02:06:01.000 He's working or doing whatever he's doing.

02:06:03.000 But there's a lot of kids out there that don't have a dad.

02:06:06.000 They don't have an Uncle Jake.

02:06:07.000 And that was, you know, another reason why I wrote the book.

02:06:10.000 Because kids need to see and learn.

02:06:13.000 You know, if you wouldn't have done martial arts, who would have told you that, hey, if you work hard and you train, you're going to get good at this.

02:06:18.000 That would have...

02:06:19.000 If you wouldn't have done that with martial arts, you wouldn't have done it with stand-up comedy, you wouldn't have done it with the rest of your career.

02:06:23.000 You would have said, you know, you would have gotten on the stage the first time for stand-up comedy.

02:06:28.000 You wouldn't have made anyone laugh. 0.98

02:06:29.000 You would have walked off, said I suck, and gone to get a job, you know, down at 7-Eleven or whatever. 0.99

02:06:35.000 You know, that's... 1.00

02:06:36.000 Whereas if somebody said, look, man, of course you suck. 1.00

02:06:39.000 You just started. 1.00

02:06:40.000 Of course you suck. 1.00

02:06:41.000 Of course you don't know your times tables. 1.00

02:06:42.000 How would you know them?

02:06:43.000 You're not born with that information.

02:06:45.000 Of course you're not good at stand-up comedy.

02:06:46.000 You just did it for the first time.

02:06:48.000 You've got to learn how to do it.

02:06:49.000 Of course you're not good at stand-up fighting and taekwondo.

02:06:52.000 You've never done it before.

02:06:53.000 So you've got to learn these things.

02:06:55.000 You've got to put in the work.

02:06:56.000 You learn that lesson through martial arts.

02:06:58.000 A lot of kids don't get that opportunity.

02:06:59.000 I'm trying to give them that opportunity to learn it with this book.

02:07:02.000 And even for people that aren't kids, go do something you're not good at.

02:07:06.000 It's really important.

02:07:07.000 It's good.

02:07:08.000 Just try something.

02:07:09.000 Pick up a new hobby.

02:07:10.000 Pick up a new discipline.

02:07:11.000 Try learning how to play chess. 0.60

02:07:13.000 Just do something you suck at and let your mind feel what it's like to be at the beginning stages of improvement again.

02:07:21.000 I think it's very invigorating. 0.96

02:07:23.000 Not only that, I mean factually, that's good for your brain.

02:07:27.000 You know, they say you're supposed to learn new languages, learn to play chess, learn to play guitar, read new books.

02:07:32.000 You're supposed to do that stuff your whole life to continue.

02:07:35.000 That's what continues.

02:07:36.000 Just like your body falls apart, if you don't exercise it, your mind falls apart if you don't exercise it as well.

02:07:41.000 Yeah, I definitely feel that.

02:07:42.000 If I don't do anything new for a long time, I feel stagnant.

02:07:46.000 But when I start doing something new, especially something that I'm not good at, so I start thinking about it a lot, I start obsessing about it a lot, I get invigorated.

02:07:54.000 I get excited about going there.

02:07:55.000 Yeah, and we saw the same thing.

02:07:57.000 Like when our first book came out, It's a leadership book, right?

02:08:01.000 And everyone thinks, hey, you know, it's another leadership book.

02:08:03.000 And then when you read it, people go, oh, wait a second.

02:08:07.000 This is like a new thought.

02:08:09.000 It's a new thought I haven't seen before.

02:08:11.000 And we have these, you know, we have these things that we do where we just bring people in.

02:08:15.000 Like, usually we go out and work with a company.

02:08:17.000 We go out with one company and we go out and we work with a company.

02:08:20.000 But we found that there was some smaller companies or people that couldn't afford to bring us in so we said okay What are we gonna do about that?

02:08:26.000 So we made this thing up called the muster where we open it up to the public to come and you know Come and spend two days going through all these principles and it's the same thing that you're talking about They say it's a challenge.

02:08:40.000 It's new thought It's thinking about something from a different light people that have been in leadership positions for five years ten years fifteen years and they go oh Oh, okay, I can apply this new methodology that I haven't seen, hadn't thought about before.

02:08:52.000 So to continue to grow and learn is just so important across the board.

02:08:56.000 Yeah, stepping outside your comfort zone is just one of the most important things for a human being, for whatever reason.

02:09:02.000 I mean, I don't know what it is, but I know what works.

02:09:06.000 And that's it.

02:09:07.000 Yeah, that's what it is, man. 1.00

02:09:08.000 For me, I've got a bunch of shit that I do that I suck at right now. 0.99

02:09:12.000 It's so important, man. 0.99

02:09:14.000 I just started running really recently, like in the last couple of months.

02:09:17.000 I've noticed that you've been posting about that. 0.95

02:09:19.000 Dude, I suck at it. 0.97

02:09:20.000 It's crazy. 0.99

02:09:22.000 You're getting a lot better a lot quicker though.

02:09:24.000 Oh man like your endurance jumps up quick like within a few weeks I was able to like way past areas like I've got this this trail that's about 2.7 miles through the hills like real steep hills and There are some spots where I was just fucking dying and now I can get through them I can get through them and get to the top and I'm still dying but I'm dying less and Are you timing yourself,

02:09:48.000 too?

02:09:48.000 So you're trying to make the times?

02:09:49.000 Yeah, I'm trying to make the times.

02:09:50.000 And then, you know, I started wearing a heart rate watch, too, which I let my heart rate get down.

02:09:56.000 When I have to take a break on these hill sprints, I'll get my heart rate down to 140, and then I'll start going again.

02:10:04.000 People ask me that, too, because...

02:10:07.000 When do you get bored?

02:10:08.000 When do you get bored of working out?

02:10:10.000 And also, when you reach your physical limitations, right?

02:10:12.000 So you reach your physical limitations on something, you know, like you're going to get down to a six-minute mile, let's say.

02:10:19.000 And then for you to take it past a six-minute mile, you're going to have to, like, stop lifting kettlebells, get all skinny.

02:10:25.000 You know, you'd go to a point where now that'd be your sole focus.

02:10:29.000 And I know I'm guessing you wouldn't want to do that.

02:10:31.000 I know I wouldn't want to do that.

02:10:33.000 And so for me, I'm always jumping around from kind of from goal to goal.

02:10:36.000 Right?

02:10:37.000 Like, maybe I'll be doing pull-ups, heavy pull-ups for a while.

02:10:40.000 I'll be doing pull-ups, pull-ups, pull-ups, trying to get up my max pull-ups.

02:10:43.000 And then I get to a point where, okay, now I'm not going to, it's going to take every bit of focus in my life to get from 58 pull-ups to 62. I don't want to do that.

02:10:56.000 So, I'm cool with 52, and now I'm going to start working on my deadlift, or I'm going to start training jiu-jitsu more, and I'm just constantly...

02:11:02.000 Can you do 52 pull-ups?

02:11:04.000 In a row?

02:11:05.000 Yeah, but like, you know, kipping pull-ups, not just full dead hang pull-ups.

02:11:10.000 How many full dead hang pull-ups can you do in a row?

02:11:12.000 I don't know, probably 30-something. 0.99

02:11:13.000 Damn, dude, that's a lot. 0.96

02:11:15.000 Do you do any weighted ones at all? 0.98

02:11:18.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, I do weighted ones.

02:11:19.000 With a weight belt, or do you use a vest?

02:11:21.000 I have a weight belt and vests.

02:11:23.000 Do you have a whole set up in your basement?

02:11:24.000 Is that what I'm looking at?

02:11:25.000 Yeah, it's my garage.

02:11:27.000 Oh, your garage.

02:11:27.000 Yeah, it's my garage, which is...

02:11:30.000 You have a house gym, right?

02:11:31.000 I mean, it's a game changer.

02:11:33.000 I hate to say it because not everyone can make that happen.

02:11:36.000 People live in cramped quarters, but man, if you can even just get a pull-up bar and maybe a set of rings, you can do so much and then you grab yourself one kettlebell.

02:11:45.000 If you have a yard and you have a kettlebell, you could do a lot.

02:11:48.000 Pull-up bars are so gigantic.

02:11:51.000 Well, not really.

02:11:52.000 All you need for a pull-up bar is a ceiling.

02:11:55.000 No, that's what I mean.

02:11:55.000 I mean, it's so gigantic to have.

02:11:57.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:11:57.000 So huge to have.

02:11:58.000 For sure.

02:11:59.000 And also, it's so good for your shoulders just to hang.

02:12:02.000 And your back.

02:12:03.000 Yeah.

02:12:04.000 But if you have a pull-up bar in your house, you can do pull-ups, you can do push-ups, you can do squats, you can do all kinds of burpees and everything else, sit-ups and gut work, and you can pretty much get your whole body in really good shape with that one piece of equipment.

02:12:20.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

02:12:21.000 Yeah, so when you set out your workouts, do you write them down on paper?

02:12:26.000 Do you just have an idea what you want to do?

02:12:27.000 I do write them down because I kind of log what I'm doing, but I'll put down, you know, whatever exercise I'm going to do or whatever bunch of exercises I'm going to do, and I'm logging down what I'm, you know, what my times are if I'm going for time or what the weights are if I'm going for weight.

02:12:41.000 I'm pretty I heard this the other day, so I'm gonna say it They said Arnold was an instinctual trainer, so I I do that somewhat You know I'm not like looking at a book and I don't plan out for three weeks or a month in advance of exactly what I'm gonna do that day because that day I might go damn I you know I'm not feeling that Type of workout and I'm I need to not do it.

02:13:02.000 I'm gonna do something else So I use my what my body's telling me somewhat That's not to say that I go hey, I don't feel like doing anything to do today So I'm not gonna do it because that's actually a rule that I have if I don't feel like doing something today I feel like I need a rest I'll do something that day and put the rest off till the next day make yourself do it today and And then if you still need it tomorrow,

02:13:23.000 you can take a rest.

02:13:23.000 But you can't take a rest today, not allowed.

02:13:25.000 Ooh, interesting.

02:13:26.000 Do that to yourself.

02:13:27.000 You're your own boss.

02:13:28.000 So when you write your stuff out, do you have like a logbook?

02:13:31.000 Do you keep like, so you could go back and track progress and you look at yourself?

02:13:35.000 No.

02:13:36.000 So like, say if you're going to work out tomorrow, do you plan it out tonight?

02:13:39.000 Nope.

02:13:39.000 I know kind of what I'm gonna do tomorrow.

02:13:43.000 Tomorrow I'm gonna do a bunch of ring dips.

02:13:45.000 I'm gonna do a bunch of dips.

02:13:46.000 I'm gonna be doing a bunch of parallel push-ups.

02:13:50.000 I'm gonna do a ton of burpees and probably some...

02:13:52.000 That's gonna round it out right now.

02:13:55.000 I have a little tweak on my knee right now, so I can't sprint like I normally would, but otherwise I'd be doing some sprints in there, too.

02:14:03.000 Yeah, jujitsu tweaks, right?

02:14:05.000 Is that what it was?

02:14:06.000 Yeah, it was. 1.00

02:14:08.000 It's fucking joints, man. 1.00

02:14:09.000 It is. 1.00

02:14:10.000 But if you think about how much time you spend on the mat, if I would have been playing basketball or playing soccer, I'd still get the same.

02:14:16.000 Probably worse.

02:14:17.000 Yeah, probably worse.

02:14:18.000 Yeah, especially with knees.

02:14:19.000 I've been relatively injury-free.

02:14:20.000 And this is not a bad tweak, it's just like, oh yeah, a little tweak.

02:14:24.000 Well, that's one thing that I try to impart on people, too, that strength and conditioning training, particularly strength training, it protects the joints.

02:14:30.000 Oh, for sure.

02:14:31.000 And the back and a lot of other issues.

02:14:33.000 I think that is why I have been relatively, knock on wood, injury-free.

02:14:39.000 Because two reasons.

02:14:41.000 I work out all the time and I never take any significant amount of time off.

02:14:45.000 I never say I'm not gonna work out or I never just fall into a hey I went two months or even two weeks or even five days For me to for me to not work out for five days.

02:14:55.000 There was some kind of like something happened I was like majorly sick or I was even if I'm traveling I'll still get it done But I think that that consistency your body just is used to it and you don't you don't Get hurt as often and you're like a hardcore metal guy, right?

02:15:09.000 What are you listening to?

02:15:11.000 I grew up on the East Coast listening to old-school, hardcore music.

02:15:18.000 Metal and hardcore, bands like the Bad Brains, Cro-Mags, Agnostic Front, just old-school, hardcore bands from the East Coast.

02:15:29.000 That guy, John Joseph, is a trip.

02:15:31.000 The head of the Cro-Mags? 1.00

02:15:32.000 He's a fucking trip, man. 1.00

02:15:33.000 I watched this documentary about him. 1.00

02:15:35.000 He's in his 50s. 1.00

02:15:36.000 Tapes up his ankles and shit before shows. 0.99

02:15:39.000 Like he's warming up and stretching out. 0.99

02:15:40.000 Does triathlons in between shows. 0.99

02:15:43.000 Wrote a book called Meat is for Pussies. 0.98

02:15:45.000 He's a hardcore vegetarian. 0.99

02:15:47.000 He's like a Hare Krishna.

02:15:51.000 The other guy, the guy that founded that band, the Cro-Mags, he's actually a buddy of mine.

02:15:55.000 He's a jiu-jitsu guy.

02:15:56.000 He's a black belt in jiu-jitsu, but he's had a completely insane life as well.

02:16:00.000 His name is Harley Flanagan, and his life's been completely Insane isn't it doesn't even really doesn't there's hardly I actually it was interesting because I just had him on on my podcast and It's it was a different it was a different you know guest for me a different genre and People you know first of all the guy you know people that listen my podcast They

02:16:31.000 expect a certain type of podcast, right? 0.81

02:16:33.000 I'm gonna talk about leadership I'm gonna talk about the military and all of a sudden I bring in this guy who's been a complete maniac and I mean he's done, you know, he was Drugs, you know drug sex rock and roll.

02:16:44.000 It's basically been his whole life and since he was like 10 years old He was playing in a punk rock band in New York City. 0.99

02:16:49.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:16:51.000 He was when he was 10 he was 10 he was smoking. 1.00

02:16:54.000 Where the fuck were his parents? 1.00

02:16:56.000 His mom was a hippie. 1.00

02:16:57.000 His dad was a roamer.

02:16:58.000 Never met his dad.

02:17:01.000 And he just grew up in the streets of the Lower East Side of New York City.

02:17:05.000 Did you go to New York City in the 80s at all?

02:17:08.000 Very little.

02:17:09.000 I fought in a tournament in New York in the 1980s.

02:17:11.000 I remember driving there with some of the guys from Boston. 0.99

02:17:14.000 We were driving to the city and looking at it going, what in the fuck is this place? 0.59

02:17:20.000 And New York in the 80s is completely different than it is now. 0.98

02:17:23.000 And it was really, really crazy.

02:17:25.000 Bad.

02:17:26.000 It was filled with crime, like 42nd Street down in Times Square.

02:17:30.000 When I was a kid, I would go there because I was into this kind of music, and I would go and see hardcore shows and metal shows.

02:17:35.000 And you'd get off the train, and you'd get out in 42nd Street.

02:17:38.000 There'd be, you know, every two steps, drugs, dust, crack, everything.

02:17:43.000 But that's where he grew up, basically without parents.

02:17:45.000 And then he's got just a crazy, crazy story.

02:17:49.000 How old is he now?

02:17:50.000 He's 50. And he's still training?

02:17:52.000 Yeah, he teaches kids' class at Henzo's.

02:17:55.000 He's the kids' instructor at Henzo Gracie.

02:17:57.000 In New York?

02:17:57.000 Yeah.

02:17:58.000 Wow, that's amazing.

02:18:00.000 Yeah.

02:18:00.000 That's cool.

02:18:01.000 But it was interesting, because I had him on the podcast, and it was interesting to have people that listen to it, that listen to my podcast, which is very different.

02:18:11.000 You know, you bring in basically all kinds, you get all kinds of, such a completely wide variety of people in here.

02:18:18.000 My guests have been basically War guys, right? 0.99

02:18:23.000 Brian Stan, Tim Kennedy, Jody Mittick, who's a Canadian sniper, wounded real bad in Afghanistan.

02:18:30.000 I had a guy named Colonel William Reeder on there, who was a pilot in Vietnam, got shot down, and got shot down twice actually, captured in Vietnam, was in captivity for a year, and he's talking about He's in a bamboo cage with his legs shackled and he wakes up in the middle of the night because the rats are eating his wounds.

02:18:52.000 I mean, I'm bringing on guys that are just talking about, not only talking about heavy subjects, but they're also talking about it from, you know, a very...

02:19:03.000 Positive perspective of life, right?

02:19:05.000 I mean, is there anyone more positive than than Brian Stan?

02:19:08.000 That guy's just like a like a just an American hero, right?

02:19:12.000 And so then I all of a sudden out of left field I bring on Harley Flanagan and he tells his story was really interesting to me to have people's reactions and There was a couple people that were like, oh, you know This was a real letdown for you to bring them on but if you hear his story you listen to the whole podcast I mean here's a guy who Who you can hear it in his voice like his his heart is broken over some of the things that he's been through his life losing his father his father was a was a heroin addict and in his father Died

02:19:42.000 burned alive in a dumpster as he lit a fire to try and keep himself warm.

02:19:47.000 That's how his dad died Buried his mom.

02:19:51.000 I mean it's just it's just a tragic story, but My point is that the even though I had a very few people that were like all that was you know You shouldn't have he swore literally.

02:20:00.000 Hey, he swore a bunch on the podcast That's inappropriate or whatever and then I what was really that that was kind of well That's that's kind of too bad to hear hear someone say that that they would have that viewpoint But what was really cool was all these other people that are very straight laced kind of Kind of middle road American people that that listen to podcasts were like dude Thanks for having that guy on what a heart what a guy and it's good for me to know about that stuff and It's good for to hear someone that's been through the depths

02:20:30.000 of drug addiction and hell Come back out of it and do all right and and again from my perspective I think that my Interaction with those kind of people when I was growing up which I certainly had you know I was a young kid going to New York and Boston going to hardcore shows and all that It'll let me see part of the world that most people don't really see and so when I got in the military I got I was kind of used to dealing with people that people aren't used to dealing with and I think it helped me out a lot so Is it a hard

02:21:00.000 managing expectations once you don't mean how many what do you do you have like 75 episodes up already?

02:21:05.000 Yeah, yeah, that's crazy Yeah, last time you here you had zero zero I love it though.

02:21:10.000 You're getting after it.

02:21:12.000 And it's a lot, you know, my podcast is a lot different than yours because I'm going deep on some subject that I'm actually going to like, I have to study and prepare for.

02:21:20.000 And it's not interacting with another person most of the time.

02:21:23.000 Most of the time I'm interacting with history.

02:21:25.000 So, it's harder for me to prepare.

02:21:28.000 Now, of course, you've been preparing for this podcast for 50 years, right?

02:21:32.000 I mean, that's what you've been mentally preparing for getting your experiences and your background.

02:21:35.000 But I have to, like, dive into stuff.

02:21:37.000 And so it is hard.

02:21:39.000 My point is, yes, it's hard for me to do a podcast a week.

02:21:44.000 I've got to read a book.

02:21:44.000 But is it hard to manage expectations, which is what I was getting after?

02:21:48.000 Because once you establish, like, a fan base...

02:21:52.000 Sometimes they have this idea in their head of what the podcast should be to them like what they want out of it And then they they can express that they don't like where you're going like I don't like that you brought this Harley guy on this guy's not what I like I like straight laced military guys who don't swear this guy's a fucking nutty dude jumps around on stage and the my answer to that is No,

02:22:16.000 and I'll tell you why From the beginning of, you know, when you said, it was you and Tim Ferriss, you know, both you guys said you should do a podcast, and I said, okay, cool.

02:22:26.000 Well, to this day, your podcast with Tim Ferriss is one of my all-time favorite podcasts. 0.95

02:22:29.000 I listened to it in my, I was cooking, I was listening to my kitchen, I was like, Jesus fucking Christ, this is a good podcast. 0.98

02:22:36.000 It was intense. 0.98

02:22:37.000 And it was so deep and intense, and I was like, I gotta talk to this dude.

02:22:42.000 I gotta get you on.

02:22:43.000 Because I had known you from peripherally, from Dean's fights, and I'd seen you around, but I didn't know who you were.

02:22:50.000 I didn't know your story until Tim had you on.

02:22:52.000 Yeah, and so, you know, Tim, again, when he pressed stop on the recorder, he said, you should have your own podcast.

02:23:01.000 And then you told me in the middle of the podcast, you should have your own podcast. 0.97

02:23:04.000 And obviously when you two guys are telling me I should have my own podcast, I'd be a complete idiot not to listen to you. 0.92

02:23:09.000 Well, you did, and now it's a huge success, which is hilarious. 0.75

02:23:12.000 I love when people listen.

02:23:13.000 Yeah, everyone listen to Joe.

02:23:15.000 Don't listen to me about everything, though.

02:23:17.000 Be selective.

02:23:19.000 I'm often wrong.

02:23:21.000 But as I've done it, I've done what I want to do.

02:23:27.000 And if people don't like it, that's okay.

02:23:31.000 I'm okay with someone saying, hey, you know what?

02:23:34.000 I've done some episodes that were...

02:23:38.000 Horrible, man.

02:23:39.000 I talked about the My Lai Massacre.

02:23:41.000 If you don't know what that is, the My Lai Massacre.

02:23:43.000 You know, people talk about these atrocities that Americans commit all the time. 0.72

02:23:47.000 Americans don't actually commit atrocities all the time.

02:23:49.000 But we have committed some heinous atrocities, and this one is well-documented.

02:23:55.000 Vietnam, the My Lai Massacre.

02:23:57.000 It was a company of soldiers going into a village, and they raped, murdered, killed people.

02:24:05.000 Around 500 people just cold blood.

02:24:08.000 I mean it's it's heinous.

02:24:10.000 It's awful Probably the hardest podcast that I've done because I'm a patriotic guy and here I am talking about You know American soldiers doing heinous acts to innocent people and and so and I've done that I did I did a podcast about the genocide in Rwanda which was if you don't know anything about that two tribes and It's very hard for Americans to understand this the difference between these two tribes is nothing It's just two tribes.

02:24:40.000 They speak the same language.

02:24:41.000 They have the same they look the same They have the same religion which by the way the religion was Catholicism because they'd been like converted to Catholicism Well, they went on a rampage and the Hutus which was one tribe murdered 800,000 Tutsis in a hundred days with machetes with machetes So I've covered these dark and horrible things on my podcast and I and I don't even Know really 0.98

02:25:12.000 a hundred percent why other than this thought in the back of my mind That I've always had which is that you have to kind of understand the darkness of the world in order to appreciate The good in the world and that's why it was really interesting to hear you talking to Jordan Peterson Because he covered that part,

02:25:33.000 you know, he was saying look man is Got a dark side and you won't become a good person unless you understand your dark side and and it's interesting for me because Jordan Peterson is clearly a Highly intellectual and academic guy and I'm not right.

02:25:47.000 I'm I'm a nug right I joined the military after high school and and yet all so many of the things he says when he says them I say oh, yeah Well, that's the same thing I stumbled upon he came across that reading the the French philosopher or whatever that's where he comes I came across it in life and So it's very interesting to me when I hear him say look there's darkness in the world and there's evil in the world and We have to face that and and as soon as I heard him saying that on the podcast I'm like well That's that's what I think and I can't give you the philosophical basis

02:26:18.000 for it like he can but I can tell you what I've lived through and I can tell you that if you don't understand the fact that there's darkness in the world and that people human beings are capable of evil things and If you don't understand that you're not gonna understand the the first of all you're not gonna understand what you need to look out for in the world and what we need to be aware of as a society and As a as a race of humans,

02:26:41.000 but also you're not gonna appreciate things in the world that are Beautiful and good and positive.

02:26:48.000 So with the podcast, I'm not doing it to make people happy.

02:26:55.000 I'm not doing it to make people listen.

02:26:58.000 I'm not even doing it to make people listen.

02:27:00.000 I'm doing it because it's things that I've lived through.

02:27:04.000 It's things that I want to understand better and I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing and if people like it, then that's awesome and if people don't want to listen to it, that's cool too.

02:27:15.000 Well, at least from my personal experience, listening to guys like Jordan Peterson or listening to yourself or listening to anybody talk about really deep, important subjects, even if you know what they're saying to be true, it reinforces it in your own mind and maybe even opens up new doors of comprehension.

02:27:32.000 Jordan certainly did that with me.

02:27:33.000 When I was listening to him talk, he was saying some things like talking about dragons and dragons have gold.

02:27:41.000 I was like, whoa, Jesus Christ.

02:27:43.000 He was hitting some notes about human psychology and the reason why we behave in certain ways and the pitfalls of these certain types of behavior that I absolutely knew he was right.

02:27:55.000 And maybe I'd even thought about them before, but seeing them reinforced so eloquently and seeing it expressed so articulately, it really sparked life in my mind.

02:28:07.000 Yeah, and even, you know, he was talking about being a warrior, right?

02:28:12.000 And how these guys in modern times, we don't spend time being a warrior.

02:28:17.000 If you and I were living 500 years ago, you and I would both be battle-scarred and...

02:28:23.000 We would be used to that lifestyle people aren't used to that lifestyle now They've kind of forgotten what that feels like and so I'm that was my life I mean that was my life was to prepare for war and go fight war that was my whole life and so for me to look back on it now and hear Jordan Peterson to say like That's normal.

02:28:42.000 That's okay.

02:28:43.000 That's expected.

02:28:44.000 And it makes me say, okay, I understand now where, you know, kind of part of, I understand myself better when I hear him say, oh yeah, this is normal for guys to go out and fight wars.

02:28:58.000 This is the warrior mentality.

02:29:00.000 And when you come back and you tell the truth about it, People will react to that in a positive way.

02:29:05.000 That's what he was saying about you.

02:29:06.000 He's like, hey, look, you're not some academic sitting there reading a book and talking about what you're reading in the book.

02:29:12.000 You're like, no, I'm a fighter.

02:29:13.000 I fight.

02:29:14.000 I've been through this stuff.

02:29:15.000 I've had physical challenges.

02:29:17.000 That's why people are listening to what you're saying.

02:29:20.000 Because you have that warrior mentality in your life.

02:29:26.000 Well, I think that guys like Jordan Peterson, I think that anybody that can tap into those truths that we know, you know, I just don't think we hear them enough. 1.00

02:29:36.000 I think we're inundated with so much stupid shit every day. 0.98

02:29:38.000 It's so hard to get to any like real substantial truths that will positively affect both your outcome and your outlook on life. 1.00

02:29:50.000 And I think guys like you guys like Tim Ferriss is putting on all these amazing podcasts Jordan Peterson all these people that can express things to someone like This podcast literally has changed my life.

02:30:02.000 I mean it's changed my thinking It's I'm a totally different person than I was when I first started this podcast because talking to all these interesting and fascinating people And wise people.

02:30:13.000 It's been like having some crazy crash course in a million different disciplines and a bunch of different conversations.

02:30:23.000 And seeing the pitfalls of some people's thinking and being around people where you see the holes in their minds.

02:30:31.000 The way they express themselves or the way they process information made me recognize the holes in my own processing and the way I used to communicate with people.

02:30:40.000 I'm a better conversationalist now.

02:30:43.000 And it all comes from just having these intense conversations.

02:30:47.000 This whole podcast thing is something that I never expected in life.

02:30:51.000 I never expected it was going to come along.

02:30:54.000 When it came along, I never expected it would be something that I would do. 0.99

02:30:58.000 And I never expected it would be something I consume as much as I do I don't even have radio anymore in my fucking car. 0.99

02:31:03.000 No. 0.99

02:31:03.000 I listen to music. 0.99

02:31:05.000 If I listen to music, it's my music that I get off of iTunes, or it's something that someone, like a new band, that someone tells me or turns me on to, but I don't listen to anybody I don't listen to satellite radio.

02:31:18.000 I don't listen to local radio.

02:31:19.000 I listen to podcasts constantly.

02:31:22.000 100%.

02:31:22.000 Yeah.

02:31:23.000 And there's something that is, and I know, even I experienced it.

02:31:26.000 So I'm 75 podcasts deep.

02:31:29.000 It's been going for a year and some change.

02:31:32.000 But when people come up to me now, they look me in the eyes and they shake my hand.

02:31:38.000 They know you.

02:31:38.000 And they know me.

02:31:39.000 They know you.

02:31:40.000 And...

02:31:41.000 Kind of know them too like they have these shared experiences with me and I talked about this on that on that podcast about Rwanda They talk about the fact that the first thing they do in a revolution In a coup is they want to take control of the radio and there's this great piece in there where he says they're talking about the fact that with with TV and You have to take what the image on the screen in your mind your eyes process it and then it goes into your brain With reading you take those

02:32:11.000 words and they go in through your eyes and it processes them and it goes into your brain, but with audio There's no filter the words are going directly into your brain.

02:32:22.000 They're unfiltered And so that's why I think this podcast audio format is so powerful because the people that are listening to this right now, they're sitting in the room with us.

02:32:33.000 They're here with us.

02:32:35.000 And when I'm recording my podcast, I'm actually talking to them and they're there.

02:32:41.000 And when I go out and I meet people...

02:32:43.000 You can absolutely feel like, hey, and the little inside jokes, because even though I'm talking about how dark and evil my podcast is, but we have a good time, too, and we have episodes that are funny, and we talk about regulars.

02:32:55.000 We talk about jiu-jitsu and food and everything else working out, and we have fun, too.

02:32:59.000 And all those little inside jokes.

02:33:01.000 People will say the inside jokes to me that I've never met this person before, but he knows exactly what I'm talking about.

02:33:06.000 And...

02:33:07.000 And so it's it's a very very powerful medium that I think got skipped over and You know we went from radio just completely absorbed into TV and then absorbed into the internet and now all of a sudden we got to this other side where we're back to this thing that there's some reason why people used to sit around that radio and Listen to those radio shows back in the day even I did you know when I was a kid for whatever reason I I liked radio shows.

02:33:32.000 I listened to Dr. Demento.

02:33:34.000 Remember the Dr. Demento show?

02:33:36.000 I would sit there and listen to Dr. Demento, and they'd have those little radio shows and those skits, and that was a powerful medium, and I knew it back then.

02:33:44.000 And so for me, like you, as soon as you and Tim were saying, you should do your own podcast, I was like, absolutely, I'm going to do this.

02:33:52.000 My goal is that when people...

02:33:55.000 Press play on my podcast.

02:33:57.000 I want them to, like, be putting their headphones on and, like, stretching their neck a little bit, pressing play, and then just going, okay, this is...

02:34:05.000 I want them to get absorbed in it.

02:34:07.000 That's what my goal is.

02:34:08.000 Well, there's also nothing else like it in terms of, like, that you can have...

02:34:13.000 You only have one guy you work with, right?

02:34:14.000 Echo Charles?

02:34:15.000 Just you and him.

02:34:16.000 Yep.

02:34:16.000 So it's you and him and that's it like there's there's not like a whole team if you had a the the audience that you have I know that you guys are shit ton of downloads now So the that kind of audience if you were on a radio show you'd have a successful radio show So you'd be in a studio somewhere.

02:34:31.000 You'd have a network behind you.

02:34:32.000 You'd have to have production meetings You'd have to have a bunch of people that would tell you what the I was gonna say I'd have people telling me What I could and couldn't say.

02:34:41.000 I'd have people telling me to stop.

02:34:43.000 You've got to do an advertisement right now.

02:34:46.000 And, well, no.

02:34:47.000 And that's the beautiful thing about it.

02:34:48.000 And, you know, I know we're leaving money on the table, because right now, all these advertisers that come to us, and they say, hey, can you talk about this?

02:34:56.000 And can you talk about that?

02:34:57.000 And they want to pay us money?

02:34:58.000 And I'm just like, nope, we're not doing it.

02:35:00.000 We have one.

02:35:01.000 We have Onnit.

02:35:01.000 Because it's your boys, your company, and you helped me in the beginning.

02:35:05.000 So, and...

02:35:06.000 Good products, but that's it.

02:35:08.000 That's the only advertisements we have.

02:35:10.000 Not doing anybody else.

02:35:11.000 And so there's no one that can tell me what to do.

02:35:14.000 It's mine, and it's a beautiful thing.

02:35:17.000 There's a lot to that.

02:35:18.000 And also, not interrupting your podcast is giant.

02:35:21.000 Yeah.

02:35:22.000 Not ever breaking up that thought.

02:35:24.000 Just keeping that thing going to the end.

02:35:26.000 Say, thank you very much.

02:35:27.000 See you guys next week.

02:35:28.000 You know, boom.

02:35:30.000 And I just think that people get locked up in this, it's like sort of like almost like a trance of the way you're thinking.

02:35:37.000 They're in Jocko's mind.

02:35:38.000 You're talking and they're thinking how you're thinking.

02:35:42.000 They're like allowing themselves to be taken on this journey, whether they're in their car, whether they're at the gym, they're absorbed in your thoughts in a very unique way.

02:35:49.000 And because of the fact there's not a whole lot of other people contributing and entering into the picture, you know, like producers and network executives and advertising agencies, and look, we've looked at the stats, and Jocko, you've got to talk more about this, and You know what I mean?

02:36:02.000 You could get lost in analytics and never find your true voice.

02:36:05.000 But podcasts, it's almost entirely your true voice.

02:36:09.000 I don't want to say low tech.

02:36:11.000 It's not low tech, but it's low...

02:36:13.000 There's a small amount of voices.

02:36:16.000 You know, in terms of like each individual podcast, it's just your voice and it may be like mine, it's mine and the guest and whoever else comes in.

02:36:24.000 That's it.

02:36:24.000 There's not a lot of other intrusion.

02:36:26.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:36:27.000 And that's where you, I mean, Singular Visions is what makes some, it's like, there's a reason why Netflix does so well and the reason why a lot of these HBO shows do so well is because they leave those fucking people alone.

02:36:40.000 They just go, make us Game of Thrones. 0.69

02:36:42.000 We'll be back here.

02:36:43.000 Go ahead.

02:36:43.000 What are you gonna do?

02:36:44.000 You gonna make a comedy special?

02:36:45.000 You know, I did my last comedy special with Netflix. 0.97

02:36:47.000 They have fucking zero notes for me. 0.98

02:36:49.000 Zero. 0.99

02:36:50.000 I've never done a goddamn thing where they didn't say, you can't talk about this, you can't put that bit in. 0.97

02:36:55.000 It's the only thing I've ever done where they said, we love it. 0.98

02:36:57.000 And they're like, that's it?

02:36:58.000 Yeah, do it. 1.00

02:36:59.000 Go kick ass. 1.00

02:37:00.000 Okay. 1.00

02:37:01.000 Like literally that was it.

02:37:02.000 I love that joke.

02:37:03.000 You gonna do that one?

02:37:03.000 I'll do it.

02:37:04.000 Yeah.

02:37:04.000 Actually told that to my publisher about you know my publisher I was like you know what the best thing about my podcast is is that no I can do whatever I want to do I can do whatever I want to do and that's what makes it it's a it's very very liberating there's no I mean you write a book and You know they're someone's gonna edit that thing and they're gonna change this and they're gonna adjust that they want the cover to look like this the podcast is It is just you and you know Even the first my first podcast came out and you

02:37:34.000 know my wife lifts it listen to it and she was all stoked Because when was the last time that you sat down and talk just talk to your wife for two and a half hours, right?

02:37:44.000 Yeah, it doesn't happen And my wife was like, hey, it was awesome. 1.00

02:37:47.000 She got to know me better.

02:37:49.000 I've been married to her for 20 years.

02:37:51.000 She got to know me better because she got to sit and listen to me talk for two and a half hours.

02:37:57.000 And now she's listening to every single one of them.

02:37:59.000 And she knows she actually knows me better than she did before the podcast started.

02:38:04.000 Because I got a wife and four kids and jobs and work and travel and all that.

02:38:08.000 I don't have time to sit there and talk to my wife. 1.00

02:38:11.000 For two and a half hours.

02:38:12.000 Hey, maybe I'm a bad person, but that's just the reality of life.

02:38:16.000 Yeah, well, you know what?

02:38:17.000 Honestly, when do you ever get a chance to sit like this across from someone and talk to them for three hours without checking your phone, without anybody coming into the room, without anybody interrupting you with something you have to do or someplace you have to be?

02:38:28.000 It's very odd.

02:38:31.000 That's one of the reasons why I say that it changed my life, is because it educated me on other people's thought processes in a way that you don't get one-on-one dialogue with people in the real world.

02:38:42.000 And if you think about it, you know, as we talk about going back to these primal things, there's a primal thing about having human conversation.

02:38:48.000 And if you think about where technology is going, we don't have much human conversation.

02:38:54.000 So you're 100% right.

02:38:56.000 Not only am I not having two and a half hour conversations with my wife, I'm not having two and a half hour conversations with anybody.

02:39:01.000 Until I come up here and sit down with you or until I go into my podcast studio and I sit down and I have a two and a half hour conversation with you know a million people that are gonna sit there and listen and they're gonna give me feedback on Twitter and they're gonna tell me this and they're gonna tell me their story and it's it's very it's a we're filling a hole I think it's a hole in communication right now because you know we text each other you know you and me text each other yeah I text I text echo I text everybody text my wife I don't think you and I have ever had a conversation on the phone no I No.

02:39:31.000 Never.

02:39:33.000 That's the world we're living in.

02:39:35.000 People just text. 0.98

02:39:36.000 It's fucking weird. 0.95

02:39:38.000 We're good. 0.99

02:39:38.000 It's weird. 0.99

02:39:39.000 I had like legit things.

02:39:40.000 Hey, I got to send you something.

02:39:41.000 Here's my address.

02:39:41.000 Boom.

02:39:42.000 It's just like that's the way it is.

02:39:44.000 And it's totally acceptable, but there's something missing.

02:39:47.000 And if we can't, you know, the next level is like, oh, we're going to roll.

02:39:50.000 You know what I mean?

02:39:51.000 Like that's the next thing is you train together, but there's...

02:39:54.000 There's a gap in human contact right now, in having conversations.

02:39:58.000 And I'm just thinking this right now, that the whole nature of podcasting fills that hole.

02:40:04.000 And if you look at the podcasts that do well, it's podcasts that are...

02:40:11.000 Conversationalist unless you go with the podcast that's highly produced and they got they you know cuz like Radiolab yeah all those ones that are highly produced and even the ones that are produced by you know NPR so they have real money behind them and they're they're a different thing But for normal dudes that are just sitting around and talking those are popular podcasts That's why Tim Sam Harris those guys are sitting around and talking and explaining stuff because that doesn't exist anymore in the in the day-to-day life for a lot of people You know what else doesn't exist in a day-to-day life?

02:40:40.000 A place where it's okay to be a man.

02:40:44.000 It's actually okay to be a man.

02:40:45.000 It's okay to have man thoughts.

02:40:48.000 Everybody is so toned down and neutered. 1.00

02:40:52.000 It's like human resources and corporate life has watered down people's natural behavior to the point where people are just dying on the inside, sitting in these fucking cubicles, rotting. 1.00

02:41:03.000 Just freaking the fuck out, having all these thoughts they can't entertain, having to pretend to be someone they're not all day long, putting on this bullshit way of talking, this fake way of thinking. 0.99

02:41:14.000 Everybody's got to subscribe to whatever fucking ridiculous policies their company wants to enforce, and you're just a robot, and you get out of there and you just want to scream. 1.00

02:41:23.000 Yeah, or you want to listen to some guys talk about some real shit. 1.00

02:41:25.000 Some real shit! 1.00

02:41:26.000 Yeah, and then go, fuck! 1.00

02:41:28.000 How come I can't talk about real shit? 1.00

02:41:30.000 You know? 0.99

02:41:31.000 Yeah, that's another reason why I wrote the kids book, because the kids book, instead of, you know, it being about, hey, if someone's picking on you, go and tell the teacher.

02:41:40.000 It's like no actually if somebody's picking on you learn to defend yourself and kick their ass if needed that's That that hasn't been said that's another reason I wrote the book I I went I've told this story before but I went and got some book for my kid when he was little my my one son and three daughters I went and got a book from his it was like a pirate book,

02:41:57.000 right? 0.98

02:41:57.000 And I'm thinking cool pirates are gonna burn stuff take over villages Steal things this will be awesome, and I read the book, and it's just complete These guys are complete You know, pathetic. 0.98

02:42:12.000 They're pathetic. 0.99

02:42:12.000 They're not... 0.99

02:42:13.000 They're fake pirates. 0.91

02:42:14.000 They're fake pirates. 0.96

02:42:14.000 They're not manly pirates, right? 0.96

02:42:16.000 And I just was so embarrassed by it.

02:42:18.000 Who wrote the book?

02:42:18.000 I don't know.

02:42:18.000 Some...

02:42:19.000 I don't even remember.

02:42:20.000 A check?

02:42:20.000 I threw it away.

02:42:20.000 A check pirate book?

02:42:23.000 Goddammit. 0.99

02:42:23.000 You know, if you can't learn from a pirate... 0.99

02:42:25.000 That you gotta go out and like crush some things sometimes, then we gotta just check ourselves because guess what?

02:42:31.000 Life is.

02:42:32.000 That's what life is.

02:42:33.000 That's another thing that we shield kids from these days.

02:42:37.000 Life is hard.

02:42:38.000 You don't get a trophy.

02:42:40.000 You don't get it.

02:42:41.000 There's no such thing as a trophy for participation.

02:42:43.000 That's fake.

02:42:44.000 It's a lie.

02:42:46.000 Doesn't exist you can't learn your times tables guess what you need to work and study you don't get put into a special class and get a tutor and maybe you get aid you know you got some Special help to get no you need to work and make that happen.

02:42:57.000 You don't know don't don't know how to swim guess what that doesn't mean you stay away from the water No, you learn how to swim you step up you man up.

02:43:05.000 That's what you do So that's another reason why I wrote the book so that people can actually kids can learn that Life is hard, and in order to deal with life, you gotta be hard. 0.83

02:43:16.000 Yeah, and just this idea that life is hard, something you're supposed to shield from them, it's so silly. 0.97

02:43:22.000 And, you know, I've had this conversation with my friends because everybody that I know that's interesting had a fucked up life. 0.99

02:43:28.000 But now we have kids, and the last thing we want is our kids to have a fucked up life. 0.98

02:43:32.000 So we put our kids in these good schools, we live in these nice neighborhoods, everybody eats healthy, and there's no fucking domestic violence, and everybody seems, it's so different than all of our lives. 0.99

02:43:43.000 And we were talking about it.

02:43:44.000 Me and Brian Callan were actually talking about it. 0.95

02:43:46.000 Like, we all had fucked up childhoods, and everybody we know had fucked up childhoods, and they're all interesting. 0.95

02:43:52.000 But I don't want my kids to be boring, but I also want them to be safe. 0.97

02:43:55.000 So it's like, how do you approach that?

02:43:58.000 I mean, I think you get involved.

02:43:59.000 What I've chosen to do is get my kids involved in martial arts, Give them the opportunity to pursue difficult things and understanding that through pursuing these difficult things like in accomplishing stuff Like you you learn something about yourself.

02:44:12.000 You learn that you have this ability inside of you to overcome.

02:44:15.000 I've got this Statement that I made on my podcast about kids and I said if you're helping your kids you're hurting them And if you think about it, right, and the example I gave is like tying your kid's shoe.

02:44:28.000 If you tie your kid's shoe, you're actually taking away the opportunity in their life to develop their fine motor skills of tying a shoe.

02:44:38.000 We're actually taking that away from them.

02:44:39.000 And it's the same with everything.

02:44:41.000 Make your own sandwich, make your own bed, clean your own room.

02:44:44.000 You need to do this stuff for yourself and when I'm helping you, I'm hurting you.

02:44:47.000 So I think we can protect them without just completely coddling them and making sure that every issue that ever could present itself to them has been eliminated.

02:44:58.000 Because you're going to end up with some weak kids.

02:45:00.000 Yeah, and if those kids have to compete with some kid who's had to take care of himself their whole life, that kid's going to be ferocious.

02:45:06.000 Yeah, you're going to have a feral kid competing against your little soft, fleece-lined kid.

02:45:12.000 Yeah, that's why some of those competitive sports are so important.

02:45:16.000 And martial arts are great, wrestling's great, jiu-jitsu, but football, basketball, anything that puts you in those challenging positions where you're going to have to step up, you're going to get ground out.

02:45:27.000 And one of my daughters wrestles.

02:45:29.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:45:30.000 Yeah, and she is, you know, this is the same one that got stage fright. 1.00

02:45:34.000 And to see her step up and, you know, we live a pretty good life, right?

02:45:39.000 I mean, we live in Southern California.

02:45:40.000 We live in a nice house.

02:45:42.000 It's a nice living, right?

02:45:44.000 It's a very comfortable situation.

02:45:46.000 Some of the hardest times that she's been put through is on the wrestling mat and having to step up Against some girl that like the exact girl you're talking about some girl from the barrio in San Diego That's a tough ass girl that's been through the ringer and has domestic violence going on in her house And her one escape from all that is to come out and wrestle against some other girl and beat her down So, 1.00

02:46:08.000 my daughter has to step up and do that, and it's an incredible thing.

02:46:12.000 It's incredibly powerful and empowering.

02:46:15.000 Even I watched her change, you know, when she would be intimidated in those situations, to where now she's like, bring it.

02:46:20.000 Bring it.

02:46:21.000 I got something for you.

02:46:26.000 That's awesome, man.

02:46:27.000 We're almost three hours in here, so anything else?

02:46:30.000 You're the only guy that's ever showed up, I think, with this many notes.

02:46:34.000 Yeah, well, so what I want to do is now, if we can spend the next four hours going through my notes.

02:46:37.000 Let's go over it.

02:46:38.000 We hit all kinds of stuff.

02:46:40.000 Did we?

02:46:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:46:41.000 I was driving up here taking notes on the Jordan Peterson podcast.

02:46:45.000 I think everyone should listen.

02:46:46.000 That's a great podcast to listen to, and there's so many points that he covers in there that are...

02:46:51.000 Really profound and I think important today.

02:46:54.000 Well, he's dealing with a very unusual situation where those coddled, soft kids are now in universities and they're trying to run the show with these ridiculous programs of inclusion and diversity and, you know, forcing their mindset down everybody else's throat.

02:47:09.000 It's really fascinating.

02:47:10.000 Yeah, it's fascinating and disturbing to see that happening and it's really yes, it's actually disturbing to see that happening and see Kids could be focused on such important things in the world and they end up focusing on something that is borderline In many cases borderline,

02:47:29.000 you know meaningless, you know launch let's let's move towards a real goal There's diseases to cure and you know yeah good things to do in the world Well, you know, I think everybody agrees that racism is bad and homophobia is bad, but that's not exactly what you're dealing with here.

02:47:46.000 What you're dealing with is people trying to control the way other people behave and talk and think, and it might not even be in response to any actual Real like Negative things that have happened.

02:47:59.000 It's like they're trying they're trying to create negative things to battle that might not even be there There's just a lot of weirdness today in this world and I think that to bring it back full circle a lot of this weirdness comes from a lack of true struggle like do you think that these kids that are growing up in Russia that are doing backflips off of the top of buildings are Are they dealing with the same diversity lectures and classes that they have to handle? 0.71

02:48:24.000 And I think there's an intrinsic part of human beings that wants to be part of a tribe of some kind and wants to defend their tribe.

02:48:31.000 And when you grow up in a place where there's no real tribe, then you look for one to latch onto.

02:48:36.000 And these people over They have a cause and they've got a tribe and you can be part of that tribe and you can be and you then you can lash out at the bad guys and I think that happens a lot and I think it's it's unfortunately unfortunate because it really Crushes, you know individuality which is what I you know That's my kind of my premier base,

02:48:54.000 you know thoughts are around individual freedom.

02:48:57.000 Yeah be an individual think for yourself free your mind Yeah, there's a lot of comfort in those groups that these people belong to, whether it's any kind of group, whether it's a hardcore right-wing group or a hardcore left-wing group.

02:49:10.000 You kind of know what the rules are, and you play by those rules, and then you surround yourself with a bunch of like-minded people in an echo chamber who also support the fact that these rules are the rules, and we have to get these out there, and like... 0.97

02:49:23.000 I think we just need to establish there's a bunch of shit you shouldn't do. 0.93

02:49:26.000 Don't steal from people. 0.99

02:49:27.000 Don't rape anybody.

02:49:29.000 Don't shoot anybody. 1.00

02:49:30.000 Figure out a way that we can harmoniously get along together without fucking with each other. 0.99

02:49:35.000 And then just let everybody be whatever they are. 1.00

02:49:37.000 If you're gay, you're gay. 1.00

02:49:38.000 If you like listening to fucking classical music and running naked through the streets, I don't care. 1.00

02:49:44.000 Just don't fuck me. 1.00

02:49:45.000 Just don't cause trouble. 1.00

02:49:47.000 Don't, you know...

02:49:48.000 And again, you're talking about individual freedom.

02:49:50.000 Yeah, be yourself, man.

02:49:52.000 Which is what I like.

02:49:53.000 Individual freedom.

02:49:54.000 Do what you want to do.

02:49:55.000 It's hard for insecure people to allow that to happen because insecure people, when they see individual freedom that's contrary to what their own personal behavior is like, They have to question themselves and challenge themselves. 0.99

02:50:08.000 They decide that that person's wrong, and these people are wrong, and I'm right, and this needs to be established, and we need to fight, and we need to go out and punch Nazis, or whatever the fuck they think they're supposed to be doing. 0.96

02:50:19.000 It just gets real weird, man. 0.94

02:50:21.000 Yeah, it's weird than when that becomes your whole life.

02:50:24.000 Yeah, and I'm sure you get this I get it a lot which is people on social media that want me to weigh in on this thing or they want me to weigh in on this side or they're attacking me because of this or attacking me because of that Not so much attacking but people want me to weigh in on things all the time and it's things that I just say man This isn't affecting me.

02:50:45.000 And not only that, my comments aren't gonna move this forward.

02:50:50.000 And finally, I don't care about that thing.

02:50:53.000 I understand that you're obsessed with it, but I'm not.

02:50:57.000 I'm not obsessed with this thing that you're obsessed with.

02:51:01.000 So I don't even care that you're obsessed with it.

02:51:03.000 That's cool.

02:51:03.000 And when people ask me, they say, hey, sounds good.

02:51:06.000 Keep doing what you're doing.

02:51:08.000 Sounds great.

02:51:09.000 Not my thing.

02:51:10.000 Move on.

02:51:11.000 People get obsessed with things that they won't even be obsessed with a few years later.

02:51:15.000 Like, hey man, I got obsessed about that thing that you were obsessed with and now I'm like you.

02:51:19.000 No, man, I'm not even obsessed about that anymore. 0.98

02:51:21.000 I'm on to some new shit. 0.98

02:51:23.000 Yeah, go get obsessed with kettlebells and jujitsu. 0.99

02:51:25.000 Start that out.

02:51:26.000 Yeah, get obsessed with life improvement.

02:51:28.000 Find things that you enjoy doing that are difficult.

02:51:31.000 Do them and get better at them.

02:51:32.000 Seems so simplistic.

02:51:34.000 It seems like a ridiculous, idealistic point of view, but it's effective. 0.68

02:51:37.000 Yeah, you will be happier and you will be a more positive influence on everyone around you. 0.84

02:51:43.000 Yeah, and be nice to people.

02:51:45.000 It's not so hard.

02:51:47.000 Jocko Willink, ladies and gentlemen.

02:51:49.000 Tell everybody how they can get your podcasts.

02:51:53.000 Jocko Podcast is the name of the podcast.

02:51:55.000 It's available everywhere.

02:51:56.000 New book is called Way of the Warrior Kid.

02:51:59.000 Old book is called Extreme Ownership.

02:52:01.000 You can get those everywhere they sell books.

02:52:03.000 The Muster, which is a leadership event in Austin, Texas.

02:52:07.000 Then we got one in San Diego.

02:52:09.000 Extremeownership.com for those two.

02:52:11.000 I'll see you on the interwebs.

02:52:12.000 Thanks, Joe.

02:52:13.000 And go on Instagram and check out his watch.

02:52:16.000 Jocko Willink, ladies and gentlemen.

02:52:17.000 We'll see you soon.

02:52:18.000 Later.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 18, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #962 - Jocko Willink

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