The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #984 - Yvette d'Entremont

00:00:03.000 Five, four, three, two.

00:00:05.000 Oh, what happened?

00:00:07.000 Jamie went three toes.

00:00:09.000 How are you?

00:00:09.000 What's going on?

00:00:10.000 Doing good.

00:00:10.000 How are you doing?

00:00:11.000 Good.

00:00:11.000 Welcome.

00:00:12.000 Thank you for having me.

00:00:13.000 Thanks for coming on.

00:00:14.000 You wrote an article, and let me tell you about my chiropractic journey.

00:00:19.000 I had a podcast that I did with my friend Steve Rinella a few weeks back.

00:00:22.000 Gotcha.

00:00:23.000 And he has a brother that has a herniated disc real bad.

00:00:26.000 And he's got an atrophy in one of his arms because he's got a pushed nerve and, you know, the whole thing, bulging disc.

00:00:32.000 Not fine.

00:00:32.000 Not good, yeah.

00:00:33.000 And we got to talking and I said, look, that guy's got to do something about it right away because the more time you spend with an atrophied arm, the longer it takes to rehabilitate that.

00:00:43.000 It's a pretty common injury with martial artists.

00:00:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:47.000 That's something, get yourself to a physical therapist.

00:00:49.000 Yeah, right away.

00:00:50.000 And get an MRI, and then spinal decompression, the whole deal.

00:00:54.000 Do everything you can, science-based, absolutely.

00:00:56.000 So he goes, what do you think about chiropractors? 1.00

00:00:58.000 And I go, so I say, I think chiropractors are bullshit. 1.00

00:01:03.000 And then he goes, really? 1.00

00:01:05.000 I go, yeah. 1.00

00:01:05.000 I go, I've just had bad experiences with it, and then I've read some things about it being bullshit. 1.00

00:01:11.000 And then I got home. 0.99

00:01:12.000 After the podcast, I smoked a joint.

00:01:14.000 And a lot of times when I smoke pot, I feel bad about some of the things that I've said.

00:01:20.000 I rarely do.

00:01:22.000 Do you?

00:01:22.000 I smoke more than the average scientist.

00:01:25.000 My boyfriend is director of R&D at a pot lab.

00:01:28.000 Oh, there you go.

00:01:30.000 Pot science.

00:01:31.000 There is some pot kicking around on a regular basis.

00:01:34.000 Well, we get it free from a bunch of people.

00:01:36.000 I have to tell people it shows and no disrespect to people that offer it to me.

00:01:39.000 I'm like, please don't give me any pot.

00:01:41.000 I can't take your pot. 0.97

00:01:42.000 I have too much pot.

00:01:44.000 We have a similar problem. 1.00

00:01:47.000 So anyway, I smoke the pot, and then I go, God, maybe I'm a dick. 0.98

00:01:50.000 Maybe I was rude. 0.53

00:01:52.000 Because I know people that are chiropractors, and I know they're nice people, and I know they mean well. 0.95

00:01:55.000 And I'm like, maybe I'm a dick. 0.94

00:01:56.000 I think that's accurate. 0.99

00:01:57.000 I think they mean well.

00:01:59.000 Some of them, sure.

00:02:00.000 Yeah, I think they're wrong, but they mean well. 0.98

00:02:02.000 So I go, maybe I was being a dick. 0.63

00:02:05.000 So then I Google chiropractic and then I start reading. 0.92

00:02:10.000 And I spend hours and hours reading about the history of, I'm going to say this in big air quotes, chiropractic medicine. 0.99

00:02:20.000 And I go, holy fucking shit, not only do I not feel bad now, now I'm angry. 0.99

00:02:26.000 Don't feel bad at all. 0.99

00:02:27.000 And this is to all you people, and I've got a ton of messages from chiropractors that I'm sure are nice folks, and that are really upset because they like this podcast, and they're like, you know, you're shitting on my business, and you're saying...

00:02:41.000 You have to understand, I'm sure a lot of you mean well, I'm sure a lot of you do well, I'm sure a lot of you try really hard to help your patients, and I'm sure a lot of you incorporate a lot of other stuff, like massage and cold laser and real science into your therapies, 0.94

00:02:58.000 but the origin, the original guy who created chiropractic medicine was a complete, total bullshit artist. 0.99

00:03:08.000 Fucking whack job. 1.00

00:03:09.000 This guy right here. 1.00

00:03:10.000 This character.

00:03:12.000 Daniel David Palmer.

00:03:14.000 So he started out...

00:03:15.000 He's a magnetic healer in Davenport, Iowa. 0.97

00:03:18.000 I mean, the whole thing is 100% horseshit. 0.92

00:03:22.000 And I mean, we... 0.96

00:03:22.000 This article that we wrote, we sent this through... 0.96

00:03:25.000 I mean, normally my articles, I go through at least, you know, two editors, give or take.

00:03:28.000 This one we put through, I believe...

00:03:30.000 We had three editors, a fact checker, and our lawyer to make sure that we were bulletproof on it because we wanted to make sure that we didn't say anything that could get us sued, basically.

00:03:39.000 And a lot of the information from this came directly from his book, from his own book.

00:03:44.000 So we weren't taking anything out of context.

00:03:47.000 One of the quotes on how chiropractic started came directly from the book.

00:03:52.000 And he, after cracking a half-deaf person's or a deaf person's spine, depending on their That was what Jamie just had pulled up in that article.

00:04:01.000 Pull that back up, Jamie, so you could see that.

00:04:03.000 He claimed that he cracked a deaf person's back and restored his hearing.

00:04:08.000 Now, a couple of things could have happened here.

00:04:10.000 Either, one, there was no actual medical consent given because this person was deaf, so I'm not sure how that came about.

00:04:18.000 Two, he didn't actually restore the hearing because there are no nerves in the spine connected to your hearing.

00:04:24.000 Or, you know, three, this guy is just lying.

00:04:27.000 Like, there are a couple, you know, and we're not sure what happened.

00:04:30.000 But there are still, you know, chiropractic could have done a few things with this.

00:04:34.000 They could have disavowed what happened and said, you know, we still have a system by which we can try to relieve pain through spinal manipulation.

00:04:40.000 But no, there are still articles out today from chiropractors today That try to claim that, yes indeed, he did restore hearing.

00:04:49.000 Like, no, could you guys just maybe back down on some of the nuttier claims?

00:04:53.000 Because there is some minor evidence that you can relieve lower back pain with spinal manipulation.

00:05:00.000 And there are chiros that are trying to be science-based with this.

00:05:04.000 But the history of it is so ridiculous, and they try to back down on nothing.

00:05:09.000 And that's not how science works. 0.67

00:05:10.000 Science works with the newest evidence.

00:05:12.000 And it tries to figure out what's real and what's not.

00:05:15.000 And they try to double down on all the craziest stuff.

00:05:19.000 And I think there are chiros that are trying to fix the field maybe and say, you know, spinal manipulation can help with back pain.

00:05:25.000 But that's not what this claims.

00:05:27.000 It claims that you can fix everything in the body through these vertebral subluxations that have never been shown.

00:05:33.000 Now what is a subluxation?

00:05:35.000 There are two terms being used here, and chiropractic uses it incorrectly, and in medicine we use it correctly.

00:05:41.000 So a subluxation, the actual medical term, means that a joint pops out halfway.

00:05:46.000 So you have a dislocation, which is a complete separation of a joint basically.

00:05:51.000 And a subluxation is a partial dislocation.

00:05:54.000 I know because they happen to my shoulder.

00:05:56.000 They're a fun party trick.

00:05:57.000 I'll spare you.

00:05:58.000 But a subluxation in the chiropractic sense, they use this medical term kind of incorrectly.

00:06:04.000 They say that your spine can be somewhat out of joint, basically, and it causes all your health problems.

00:06:11.000 Like your pancreas is malfunctioning because your spine is out of alignment.

00:06:14.000 And it's That's never been proven to happen.

00:06:16.000 And they claim that they can put you into a state of health by massaging your back.

00:06:22.000 And here's what's important about this.

00:06:23.000 This was created out of thin air by a guy who was a quack. 0.78

00:06:28.000 The origin is not based on years and years of medical research. 1.00

00:06:33.000 All of this came from the 1800s from a guy who was completely full of shit. 0.99

00:06:38.000 Yep, and he was a magnetic healer. 1.00

00:06:40.000 Now, magnetic healing, you can still see at the store these little knee braces that have magnets in it.

00:06:46.000 Guys, save your money.

00:06:46.000 Just get a regular old knee brace.

00:06:48.000 If you feel any relief from one of those magnetic braces, it's just from the brace. 0.99

00:06:53.000 It's not the fucking magnets. 0.99

00:06:55.000 Or a placebo effect. 1.00

00:06:55.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:06:56.000 Placebo effects are, I mean, the placebo effect is a real thing.

00:07:00.000 You can get some relief from that, but don't bother.

00:07:02.000 Which may also account for some of the pain relief from chiropractic medicine.

00:07:06.000 Absolutely.

00:07:09.000 They're doing some massage along with what they're doing.

00:07:11.000 That's a problem because massage actually helps. 0.96

00:07:14.000 There are studies that show people who go to a massage therapist or a massage practitioner Tend to get more relief than people who go to a chiropractor.

00:07:24.000 So please, go to a massage therapist. 1.00

00:07:26.000 Go to a physical therapist.

00:07:29.000 Those are your science-based practitioners. 1.00

00:07:32.000 Chiropractic, it started out of bullshit and it stayed directly in bullshit. 0.98

00:07:36.000 Here's the thing, there's no reason that anybody would have, from this guy, from this one original guy who created it, this guy who's a magnetic healer, who came up with this, somehow or another it slipped through the cracks. 0.99

00:07:50.000 I mean, that's what this is.

00:07:52.000 I mean, they're running around calling themselves doctors.

00:07:55.000 So this guy said to me, one of these guys who got angry at me, I've gotten at least two dozen, maybe, angry messages from chiropractors.

00:08:02.000 But one of them, the guy said, does a podiatrist go to medical school?

00:08:06.000 Well, they go to podiatry school.

00:08:08.000 Not only that, they have a medical residency that they have to do for three years.

00:08:13.000 They actually go to a hospital.

00:08:15.000 They have to work in a hospital.

00:08:18.000 Podiatry is like an actual science of studying the foot.

00:08:22.000 And some of them are...

00:08:23.000 I could be wrong on this.

00:08:24.000 Someone go ahead and please fact check me.

00:08:26.000 I believe some of them are podiatric surgeons.

00:08:28.000 They have to know all the anatomy of the feet in order to treat actual foot conditions.

00:08:32.000 These are part of the medical system.

00:08:35.000 Chiropractic works kind of separately and on theories that have never been proven to work.

00:08:40.000 They can't even do imaging.

00:08:42.000 I believe something like half of chiropractic clinics don't even have x-rays.

00:08:46.000 So how can they show you 100% for sure that what they're claiming is happening in your back Isn't happening.

00:08:53.000 And I read, I mean, these are statistics that I found straight from chiropractic websites, from their organizations.

00:08:59.000 And I had this referenced in the article.

00:09:01.000 I just am blanking on which place had this.

00:09:03.000 One of the chiropractic boards that does large-scale surveys, you know, within chiropractic.

00:09:08.000 About half, there were a lot of places, a lot of people I'm sure said to you, but my chiropractor is good. 0.98

00:09:13.000 My chiropractor doesn't do the bullshit stuff. 0.90

00:09:15.000 And a lot of my friends said that too. 0.99

00:09:16.000 They said, no, they just crack my back. 0.99

00:09:18.000 They don't try to sell me any bullshit supplements. 1.00

00:09:20.000 About half of chiropractors do the bullshit stuff. 1.00

00:09:23.000 They do the extraneous wellness stuff. 0.99

00:09:25.000 So if you're playing Russian roulette and you have a 50% chance of getting a bullet, are you going to do that?

00:09:34.000 No. 0.99

00:09:35.000 I don't want a 50% chance of having a bullshit doctor who's like, well, maybe your cold's really a germ and maybe it's Ebola. 1.00

00:09:42.000 I don't want the bullshit doctor. 1.00

00:09:43.000 I want the guy who knows what he's talking about. 0.99

00:09:46.000 And this is what you're getting with chiropractic. 1.00

00:09:48.000 You're getting a bullshit doctor. 1.00

00:09:50.000 But it's not a doctor. 1.00

00:09:52.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:52.000 Isn't this part of the problem is that they call themselves doctors?

00:09:55.000 I didn't know until this year or until when I was checking in on this.

00:10:00.000 They don't go to medical school.

00:10:01.000 They go to chiropractic schools.

00:10:04.000 Now, one of the biggest chiropractic schools in the country is Palmer Chiropractic College, and it's named for D.D. Palmer, the guy who launched this bevy of bullshit on us. 0.98

00:10:14.000 It's made after that guy? 0.99

00:10:16.000 The guy who claimed to heal the deaf guy?

00:10:18.000 Now, this is crazy.

00:10:21.000 This is going to be a fun story.

00:10:22.000 By fun, I mean horrifying.

00:10:23.000 One of the guys I went to undergrad with went to Palmer Chiropractic College.

00:10:28.000 Now, the acceptance rate?

00:10:29.000 100%.

00:10:30.000 Tuition, $34,000 a year to learn how to crack baby spines.

00:10:33.000 Now, the guy I went to college with...

00:10:35.000 Well, you say baby spines.

00:10:36.000 Some people do it.

00:10:38.000 Some of them do.

00:10:38.000 Now, it is a growing field in chiropractic.

00:10:40.000 This one guy said, this is hilarious.

00:10:43.000 He said, you're saying they crack baby spines.

00:10:45.000 It's a gentle manipulation.

00:10:46.000 I'm like, why?

00:10:47.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:10:48.000 Here's the thing.

00:10:49.000 Why? 1.00

00:10:49.000 Why the fuck are you manipulating babies? 1.00

00:10:51.000 There's no evidence whatsoever that that helps babies. 0.99

00:10:54.000 The babies aren't complaining about back pain.

00:10:56.000 Yeah, no, here are the two things that I've heard.

00:10:58.000 One is that it's so gentle, it wouldn't even bruise a tomato skin.

00:11:02.000 Then why are you doing it?

00:11:04.000 Why?

00:11:04.000 Now, the other thing they say is...

00:11:05.000 Because it's bullshit. 1.00

00:11:06.000 Yeah, it's because they can charge parents, that's why. 1.00

00:11:09.000 The other thing they say is, well, from doing that, you because...

00:11:13.000 Hmm, this infuriates me so much.

00:11:16.000 They say, from manipulating the spine, because the spine has, you know, within those bones, they have the spinal column, and the nerves control everything in the body.

00:11:25.000 And so from stimulating the nerves, you can give the infant all the immunity it needs to not need their vaccinations.

00:11:35.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. 1.00

00:11:36.000 Oh yeah, they claim this shit. 1.00

00:11:37.000 Hold on a second. 1.00

00:11:38.000 Hold on.

00:11:38.000 You've got to be real specific.

00:11:41.000 Who's claiming that by manipulating a baby, they don't need vaccines?

00:11:45.000 I understand this is not all chiropractors, but the American Chiropractic Association, this is fairly well cited within the article, the American Chiropractic Association, they are generally anti-drug.

00:11:55.000 They want to use the least amount of medical interventions possible.

00:11:59.000 And chiropractors are not, in most states in this country, they are not cleared...

00:12:05.000 To either prescribe or give vaccinations.

00:12:07.000 So if you can manage to get a family to come into you for pretty much all of their medical needs, that increases your bottom line and it stops, you know, and you can just say, we can do everything for you.

00:12:18.000 But of course a chiropractor isn't cleared for vaccinations.

00:12:21.000 Of course.

00:12:22.000 They don't give vaccinations.

00:12:23.000 That's not their thing.

00:12:24.000 And I mean, there's one state in this country, I believe it was Wisconsin, where they were trying to get chiropractors to be able to give pre-sports physicals.

00:12:31.000 And in some cases, the pre-sports physical is the only time all year when a student will see a doctor.

00:12:37.000 So this is infuriating.

00:12:40.000 So whenever a doctor...

00:12:41.000 And I mean, this is...

00:12:42.000 You can look at the ACA's website.

00:12:44.000 I put a couple links to it in the article where they say they're...

00:12:48.000 They're not very pro-vaccine.

00:12:50.000 I mean, their language on it is under the condition of freedom of choice, medical choice.

00:12:55.000 And it's like, they don't say straight out, vaccines don't work, they're bad for you.

00:12:59.000 But they're kind of, they're wishy-washy on it.

00:13:02.000 And they're not, they don't say vaccines work and you should get them.

00:13:04.000 But a couple of chiropractors will try to say, we don't need vaccines.

00:13:08.000 We can increase your immune system.

00:13:09.000 We can increase your immunity by, you know, pressing on the spot.

00:13:12.000 There's zero evidence.

00:13:13.000 Zero evidence.

00:13:14.000 And I'm like, do me a favor.

00:13:15.000 Tell me which spine, which part of the spine you press on to give a child immunity to measles and polio.

00:13:21.000 Give me, tell me, give me the titers. 0.99

00:13:22.000 Test that child's titers to show me that they're immune to polio now from you touching their goddamn spine. 0.99

00:13:28.000 Maybe it's like, how about this? 1.00

00:13:29.000 How about I'll punch you in the back? 0.99

00:13:31.000 I'm not going to punch a chiropractor. 0.99

00:13:32.000 How about I just, you know, nod, just give you a few little like little pokes in the back and then you're going to be immune to smallpox.

00:13:39.000 Just, just Let me know how that works.

00:13:40.000 But I can't get behind a system that has no evidence and tells me it's going to make children immune to deadly diseases.

00:13:48.000 Here's the real question.

00:13:49.000 How did it get this far?

00:13:51.000 How did this guy, who's a magnetic healer, who had no background in medicine, come up with this...

00:14:09.000 But forget about dangerous drugs.

00:14:12.000 I mean, even just...

00:14:13.000 Just helping you with anything.

00:14:16.000 It's partially because of when it came up. 0.98

00:14:18.000 Because we only found out 50 years after this that frontal lobotomies were a bad fucking idea. 0.99

00:14:26.000 And that thalidomide was going to kill babies. 0.98

00:14:28.000 So we were really fucking bad at medicine when this came up. 0.93

00:14:33.000 And we're way better at it now, but we still don't have the answers to everything. 0.70

00:14:38.000 And that's kind of...

00:14:39.000 I don't want to say a failure of the medical system, but it's just a sign of where we are now.

00:14:42.000 So think about the number of people who have sent us anecdotes saying, you know, I was in miserable pain and my chiropractor was the only thing that worked.

00:14:50.000 And it's like maybe you needed to get to physical therapy for longer term pain.

00:14:56.000 But these people that are still going to their chiros...

00:14:58.000 It means they're still in pain and they should go to a physical therapist for, you know, a couple months of therapy that will eventually strengthen their backs and take care of those issues and, you know, get a massage.

00:15:09.000 But they're going to their chiro because medical has not said, you know, we don't have a tricorder that can scan you, show the exact thing and say, here's the exact medicine, drug and thing that will fix you. 0.98

00:15:18.000 It's kind of, and I hate to use this term, but it's out of the failures of the medical system that something like this So we're not perfect at medicine yet, and that's why alternative medicine swoops in with bullshit. 0.81

00:15:30.000 Well, it's just a matter of innovation.

00:15:32.000 It's like there's a certain level that the medical community is at right now.

00:15:36.000 It's pretty staggering what they're capable of, but it's still growing and learning, and we're in a constant state of progress.

00:15:43.000 But what's shocking to me is how far this medical healer or magnetic healer's quack idea got.

00:15:52.000 I just thought it was based on something.

00:15:54.000 I mean, I really did.

00:15:55.000 I've been going to a chiropractor for years, or different chiropractors for years.

00:16:00.000 And one of them was like, this guy I used to go to in Hollywood, he's like 140 bucks.

00:16:04.000 Literally, he would take care of you for like 10 minutes.

00:16:07.000 He would rub your back a little bit and massage a little bit.

00:16:10.000 The massage.

00:16:11.000 And then he would pop it and then go, oh, we got it.

00:16:13.000 We got it.

00:16:14.000 And I'd be like, okay.

00:16:15.000 And I would think, all right, man, maybe I'll start feeling better now.

00:16:17.000 I've got a foam roller for 20 bucks that I can lunge you. 0.99

00:16:20.000 It'll crack your back really well.

00:16:23.000 Well, yeah.

00:16:25.000 It's just stunning to me that insurance companies pay for it and that it's been around so long.

00:16:30.000 How did that happen?

00:16:31.000 How are insurance companies paying for it?

00:16:33.000 There was some lobbying, and I don't think I put this into the article, but there was a lot of lobbying from chiropractors in, I believe, the 70s that pushed the American Medical Association and the insurance companies as a whole to kind of accept them as being medically...

00:16:47.000 A part of the system.

00:16:49.000 And that's part of why more and more insurance companies now will cover them and accept them.

00:16:54.000 And even though a lot of doctors won't refer you, they'll kind of be like, well, you can look into Cairo.

00:17:03.000 There's still, from a lot of doctors, pushback.

00:17:07.000 But there's a little bit more coverage now, and it's because of a lot of lobbying in the 70s.

00:17:11.000 Now, if chiropractors do have a center or a treatment center or whatever it is, and they have a bunch of different methods that they employ, this is not saying that those other methods might not give you some relief.

00:17:23.000 Correct.

00:17:23.000 But the actual cracking of the necks and the cracking of the back, there's virtually no evidence that that heals anything or stops or promotes your immune system functioning better or anything like that.

00:17:37.000 All these things that it's based on.

00:17:39.000 It's precisely.

00:17:40.000 Like, the big thing is that, I mean, if they were just claiming we can reduce your back pain, if that was the only thing they claimed, I probably wouldn't have written the article, you know?

00:17:51.000 But what they're claiming is that they can fix all of your health by realigning these vertebral subluxations, which have never been proven to exist.

00:18:01.000 What are they doing when your back pops?

00:18:04.000 What is actually happening?

00:18:05.000 Is it nitrogen being released or something?

00:18:08.000 I think it's just moving around air bubbles.

00:18:09.000 I mean, tiny little bits of bubbles.

00:18:11.000 I don't think realigning is the right word, but they're moving around your back in a way that it kind of naturally moves.

00:18:20.000 Because you can kind of move and twist and your back will pop.

00:18:23.000 They're doing some manipulation of things that kind of naturally happen to a spine with, you know, with a tiny little bit, I mean, tiny bit of degeneration with age.

00:18:32.000 I think, like, I'm not exactly the right expert to explain this type of thing.

00:18:36.000 An osteopath would be a better person to explain this because there are people who are a little better at spinal manipulation than a chiropractor, which is a DO, an osteopath.

00:18:46.000 So in this country, we have MDs and DOs, and they both can practice medicine.

00:18:51.000 What is DO? Doctor of osteopathy.

00:18:54.000 I believe that's the correct term.

00:18:56.000 And my doctor is actually...

00:18:57.000 My primary care is an osteopath.

00:18:59.000 And he's given me a spinal manipulation once when my back was killing me.

00:19:03.000 And we had no idea what it was.

00:19:04.000 And it turned out I had a broken rib.

00:19:06.000 Which was not a good time to do a spinal manipulation.

00:19:09.000 You've got a rib broken right on your spine.

00:19:12.000 But it was like he...

00:19:14.000 The difference is an osteopath never claims that they're cracking your back.

00:19:20.000 Fixing your pancreas.

00:19:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:19:21.000 They're giving you your vaccines.

00:19:25.000 They're going, wow, there's something wrong with your ovary.

00:19:29.000 We're going to send you to a gynecologist. 1.00

00:19:31.000 They're doing all the things a doctor should do for your health.

00:19:34.000 And if your back is in pain, they'll say, do you want to try a manipulation?

00:19:38.000 They're not pushing that.

00:19:39.000 That's a part of their care.

00:19:40.000 And they try to do science-based, you know, manipulations for the potential help of back relief.

00:19:50.000 But they don't, you know, they don't want to do that long term.

00:19:52.000 They do it minimally.

00:19:53.000 At least that's been my experience with it.

00:19:55.000 And it seems to be, like, there still seems to be, I'd say at best, weak evidence that it helps with back pain.

00:20:03.000 Well, the problem is they usually do it with other things that also have been shown to help with back pain, like massage.

00:20:09.000 And also just rest and time.

00:20:11.000 Yes, rest, ice, anti-inflammatories.

00:20:14.000 So you're looking at all these different factors and, well, I went to a chiropractor and he helped me.

00:20:18.000 Did he?

00:20:19.000 Are you sure?

00:20:20.000 Yeah, and I think it's funny the things that chiropractors add into it, because one of the things that I went into in this article, because we really like diving deep on some of the things that we investigate, and I'll admit I'm biased when I go in,

00:20:36.000 because I go after a lot of Kind of some of the naturally things.

00:20:40.000 And I'm not anti-natural.

00:20:42.000 I'm not 100% against going to...

00:20:44.000 Just weird homeopathic stuff.

00:20:46.000 It's funny because we can go into that for another...

00:20:48.000 Some of it's real, right?

00:20:49.000 Like garlic really is good for infections or some stuff that's legit.

00:20:52.000 Garlic good for your heart.

00:20:54.000 Ginger. 0.87

00:20:54.000 When I have a stomach ache, I'll go for ginger before I go for... 0.87

00:20:57.000 There's herbal remedies at work.

00:20:58.000 There are some herbal remedies that I'm like, absolutely keep them in your cabinet.

00:21:03.000 I'm not against them, but I'm against people taking things without evidence.

00:21:07.000 And I think that's the thing.

00:21:08.000 Try absolutely to look for the hard evidence before you waste your money.

00:21:13.000 And I think that's the thing that people have fallen into because they'll say, oh, it's natural.

00:21:16.000 It's better.

00:21:17.000 It's like, Is it?

00:21:18.000 Because polio is natural and I don't think it's very good for you.

00:21:21.000 But I know that's a straw man, fully aware of it.

00:21:24.000 But I also think that people should ask for evidence and never mind ask for it, demand it before you give somebody your money.

00:21:31.000 And that's what people haven't done with chiropractors.

00:21:33.000 That is a very good point.

00:21:36.000 I think people deserve evidence, and I think that's something that hasn't been out in the public sphere.

00:21:41.000 There was an article I was trying to write a while ago.

00:21:44.000 I forget the exact topic, but one of my editors was sending it back to me for Reddit.

00:21:49.000 Her comment back was, well, I've been reading this a lot online.

00:21:53.000 A lot of people have been saying this.

00:21:54.000 I'm like, a lot of people have been saying is not evidence.

00:21:57.000 That's the exact opposite of it.

00:21:59.000 I put in the peer-reviewed data on this.

00:22:01.000 That's a lazy editor. 0.95

00:22:03.000 I didn't work with her again.

00:22:05.000 A lot of people have been saying, yeah, you can't do that.

00:22:08.000 And I mean, this is why I like the editors I'm working with now quite a bit.

00:22:12.000 The problem with this whole clinic thing, though, is that they don't have to have any sort of background in kinesiology or in physical therapy or in any of these things.

00:22:22.000 And so they incorporate all these other modalities, all these other methods of healing you.

00:22:26.000 But they don't have to have a background and education in those things.

00:22:30.000 And they're calling themselves a doctor.

00:22:31.000 There is one thing I've heard of, and this is why I'd say don't go to a chiropractor because you don't know what you're going to walk into.

00:22:39.000 But I have heard a couple of times, this being the case, where a chiropractor, at first, they go to school for physical therapy.

00:22:47.000 And then they find they can't open their own clinic, even if they've got like an MBA and a physical therapy background.

00:22:52.000 They're like, how do I open my own clinic?

00:22:54.000 And they realize if they just go to school for chiropractic, they can do the physical therapy work they want to and offer a spinal manipulation on the side.

00:23:02.000 How long does it take to get a degree in chiropractic?

00:23:05.000 How long does it take to get a doctor?

00:23:07.000 Three, four years.

00:23:07.000 I mean, it's a lot of school, but think about it.

00:23:10.000 But what do you learn?

00:23:11.000 How to crack spines.

00:23:12.000 Here's the thing, though. 0.99

00:23:13.000 If it's created by a guy who's a quack, what the fuck would they possibly be teaching you for four years? 1.00

00:23:19.000 They do learn some anatomy, but it's like they also learn some, you know, bullshit along with it. 0.99

00:23:24.000 So I'm like, I wonder, and I mean, this isn't, I get it, this isn't all chiropractors, obviously, but like, I know, and it's hard to figure out which one you're going to walk into that's going to be a bullshit artist and not. 0.91

00:23:35.000 So like, I did want, like, this wasn't a point I was going to bring up in an article that was going to have a specific point of view, but like, I know there are some out there that say, I want to give people physical therapy.

00:23:46.000 I want to strengthen up their spine.

00:23:48.000 I want to get them out of here in less pain so that if they injure themselves again, they know they can come back to me and trust me with their spine and also give them some relief while we're fixing them.

00:23:59.000 So, you know, this is a thing that happens, but I don't think it's all the time.

00:24:02.000 I mean, it's clearly not all the time. 0.85

00:24:04.000 So, you know, you're going to have some really moral people in every field and you're going to have some really fucked up ones in every field.

00:24:10.000 Like we were one of the things we touched on in the article were these very social media savvy people. 0.99

00:24:16.000 And this is something that drives me fucking crazy. 0.83

00:24:18.000 You have to hunt and peck through their websites to find that they say that they're a chiropractor. 0.97

00:24:22.000 They just say doctor everywhere.

00:24:24.000 And they're giving recipe ideas.

00:24:27.000 And they're talking about the adrenal glands.

00:24:29.000 And the adrenal glands, they're not anywhere near close to the spine.

00:24:33.000 And this is the thing that they're talking about.

00:24:35.000 I'm like, the adrenal glands, they're part of...

00:24:37.000 But are they talking about manipulating the spine to help the adrenal glands?

00:24:40.000 They're talking about, one of the things they talk about a lot is adrenal fatigue syndrome, which has never been proven to be a thing.

00:24:46.000 It's not recognized as a disorder anywhere within the medical care system.

00:24:52.000 Now, you can have a couple different disorders of the adrenal gland.

00:24:55.000 You have Cushing syndrome, There are a couple different things that can go wrong with your adrenal glands.

00:25:02.000 There are little glands that sit on top of the kidneys.

00:25:04.000 But this is...

00:25:05.000 I mean, the specialty, I believe...

00:25:07.000 Hold on a second.

00:25:08.000 I'm having a blonde moment on the words.

00:25:09.000 But like there's...

00:25:10.000 Or on the subspecialty.

00:25:12.000 But the specialty for which you're going to study the adrenal glands isn't even a specialty that chiropractic has.

00:25:18.000 So it's like if you want to know about your...

00:25:20.000 If you're having issues with that, like it's like...

00:25:23.000 The things that chiropractors seem to harp on right now are a lot with immunology or a lot with...

00:25:29.000 Sorry, just having a complete blonde moment on this. 1.00

00:25:32.000 But there are specialties that chiropractors seem to harp on a lot lately.

00:25:36.000 And it seems to be the type of things that are very nebulous and very hard to nail down when someone's having an issue with it.

00:25:43.000 And these are things that chiropractors just don't have the training in.

00:25:47.000 So essentially someone's putting up a health website and they're claiming to be a doctor and they're offering all this advice on diet and all these different things.

00:25:55.000 But when you get to what is their degree in, it's not a real doctor, it's a chiropractor. 0.99

00:26:03.000 The type of advice they're giving is take all these herbs, eat an alkaline diet, which is, again, bullshit. 0.68

00:26:11.000 One of my favorite things with the alkaline diet is they're always like, drink lemon water. 0.96

00:26:16.000 I'm like, that's acidic.

00:26:18.000 Which I might know from my chemistry degree.

00:26:20.000 Yeah, what is the premise of this alkaline diet?

00:26:23.000 Because I remember people were pushing that a while back. 0.89

00:26:25.000 They were saying that you could cure cancer and shit just by having a diet that's alkaline instead of acidic. 0.98

00:26:31.000 And I was like, what? 0.99

00:26:32.000 And that's the premise of it.

00:26:34.000 But it's like they...

00:26:36.000 Here's the thing.

00:26:36.000 Your body's pH is really tightly controlled.

00:26:39.000 Your blood is between, I think, 7.35 and 7.55.

00:26:43.000 Different organ systems have a fairly tightly controlled pH.

00:26:48.000 Your urine can vary a little bit depending on what you've consumed, but there's a tightly controlled pH within your body.

00:26:57.000 If suddenly you have a pH of 10, which is fairly alkaline, you're Your friends are going to miss you at your funeral, hopefully.

00:27:06.000 So that's what I got on that.

00:27:09.000 So if you have a high pH, you're dead.

00:27:13.000 That's an alkaline pH.

00:27:15.000 If you're suddenly really, really alkaline, we're going to miss you. 1.00

00:27:19.000 What would cause someone to be that alkaline?

00:27:22.000 Drinking a bunch of lye?

00:27:24.000 I don't know.

00:27:27.000 There's something really wrong with your ability to filter things out of your body if you're suddenly...

00:27:33.000 It's just not a thing that happens to a healthy human if you're all of a sudden really alkaline.

00:27:38.000 But this diet won't do it, especially when the things that they're recommending are lemons.

00:27:44.000 And one of the things they say is, oh, well, your body takes that acidic fruit and turns it alkaline.

00:27:50.000 I'm like...

00:27:51.000 Go to school more.

00:27:52.000 Where are they coming up with this stuff?

00:27:54.000 Like, is this just nonsense that someone's just repeating online?

00:27:57.000 Yeah.

00:27:58.000 And the things I say, like, the diet they've designed is a fairly low-calorie diet. 0.95

00:28:04.000 Like, it'll make you lose weight, but it's not going to make you go alkaline, and it's not going to fucking fight cancer. 0.88

00:28:08.000 Like, it's...

00:28:09.000 Well, if anything, the reduction in calories would probably be good because you'd lose some body fat, and you'd probably have less inflammation.

00:28:16.000 And it's...

00:28:16.000 Yeah, there have been shown to be links between lower body fat and lower incidences of cancer, which is, you know, that's a good thing.

00:28:26.000 Losing weight, if you're overweight and you're having medical problems from it, overall, good thing.

00:28:31.000 But there's no shown link between this specific diet and a lower incidence of cancer or any other disorders.

00:28:41.000 But it's just...

00:28:43.000 It's a fad.

00:28:43.000 It's just one of those things.

00:28:44.000 It's so silly.

00:28:45.000 Do you remember when people were wearing those holograms attached to a rubber band around their wrists? 1.00

00:28:50.000 Do you remember these stupid fucking things? 1.00

00:28:52.000 Do you remember them, Jamie? 1.00

00:28:53.000 You remember them, right?

00:28:54.000 I think Gwyneth Paltrow just got in trouble for selling them on her website. 0.88

00:28:58.000 Oh, the stickers? 1.00

00:28:59.000 That fucking bitch. 1.00

00:28:59.000 It's the same thing. 1.00

00:29:00.000 No offense, Gwyneth.

00:29:02.000 I might have said some mean things about Gwyneth in my life. 0.99

00:29:05.000 There's been a couple of things about her lately on her fucking nutty website. 1.00

00:29:10.000 You're supposed to wear a rock inside your vagina. 1.00

00:29:12.000 Isn't that one of those things? 1.00

00:29:14.000 I call them pussy rocks. 1.00

00:29:15.000 Yeah, pussy rocks are hilarious. 1.00

00:29:17.000 I guess it would strengthen you. 1.00

00:29:20.000 If you want to strengthen it, just do kegels around a dick. 1.00

00:29:23.000 That's my method. 0.99

00:29:25.000 It works out well for everyone. 0.99

00:29:26.000 Maybe if you can't get a dick, a rock's a good way to go. 0.99

00:29:29.000 Gwyneth Paltrow wants to heal you with magic stickers. 1.00

00:29:31.000 Jesus Christ, bitch. 1.00

00:29:34.000 She's getting paid, though. 1.00

00:29:35.000 I'll tell you that. 0.96

00:29:35.000 There's a lot of dummies out there that are sot-nomming all the way to the ATM machine. 0.96

00:29:40.000 She is... 1.00

00:29:40.000 She has proof that bullshit sells way better than science. 1.00

00:29:43.000 I do not have her salary. 0.99

00:29:45.000 Oh, wait a minute.

00:29:45.000 You could rebalance the energy frequency.

00:29:47.000 I didn't know that.

00:29:48.000 Hold on a second.

00:29:50.000 She's discovered something about stickers.

00:29:52.000 If you take these stickers, and if they're made with the right material, you just stick them on your body in the right places, and they, in quotes, rebalance the energy frequency in our bodies.

00:30:02.000 They're made out of NASA spacesuit material.

00:30:06.000 NASA said it was a load of BS. But hold on a second.

00:30:10.000 I don't think that NASA's right.

00:30:13.000 Gwyneth Paltrow's been in a bunch of movies.

00:30:15.000 Hold on.

00:30:15.000 Stop scrolling.

00:30:16.000 She was an Iron Man, and that's science. 1.00

00:30:18.000 It says, Gwyneth Paltrow's goop website, a lifestyle business, lifestyle, which sells all things Gwyneth, advertised these stickers are using NASA spacesuit material, which presumably was the source of their magic-hewing properties. 0.99

00:30:32.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 0.98

00:30:33.000 She's special. 1.00

00:30:35.000 The stickers are not made.

00:30:37.000 This is what NASA says.

00:30:38.000 They're not made of spacesuit material.

00:30:40.000 Not that spacesuit material has healing properties in the first place.

00:30:43.000 It doesn't.

00:30:44.000 But the quote from the former NASA scientist Mark Schellhammer sums it up.

00:30:52.000 He goes, wow, what a load of BS this is.

00:30:55.000 Okay.

00:30:56.000 Obviously.

00:30:57.000 Goop quickly updated its site.

00:30:59.000 Now it doesn't claim anything about NASA spacesuits and its stickers.

00:31:02.000 But it didn't dial back any of the magical healing claims.

00:31:05.000 Here's what Goop says now in an article called Wearable Stickers That Promote Healing in parentheses.

00:31:11.000 Really? 1.00

00:31:12.000 You fuck. 1.00

00:31:14.000 Human bodies operate at an ideal energetic frequency, but everyday stress is an anxiety. 1.00

00:31:21.000 You're giving me stress, you bitch. 1.00

00:31:22.000 You can throw off our internal balance, depleting our energy reserves, and weakening our immune system. 1.00

00:31:28.000 I'm fucking imagine thinking that you could put a sticker on you and it's going to heal you. 0.97

00:31:32.000 Body vibes, stickers. 0.99

00:31:33.000 Oh my god, they're called body vibes.

00:31:35.000 They come pre-programmed! 1.00

00:31:37.000 Oh fuck, they're programming them! 1.00

00:31:38.000 I didn't know that. 1.00

00:31:40.000 To an ideal frequency, allowing them to target imbalances. 1.00

00:31:44.000 You motherfucker. 1.00

00:31:46.000 You fucking crook. 1.00

00:31:47.000 Don't you have enough money, bitch? 1.00

00:31:49.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:31:50.000 Apparently the residuals on the Iron Man movies just weren't enough for her. 0.99

00:31:55.000 God damn. 0.99

00:31:56.000 60 bucks for a 10 pound? 1.00

00:31:58.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:31:59.000 10 stickers for 60 bucks? 1.00

00:32:01.000 That's...

00:32:01.000 Oh my god!

00:32:03.000 I am in the wrong industry. 0.99

00:32:05.000 Apparently I need to start selling some fancy motherfucking stickers. 0.99

00:32:08.000 No, you don't. 0.99

00:32:09.000 No, you don't.

00:32:10.000 Look, this is a very controversial subject, right?

00:32:15.000 Like anything that's not regulated by the FDA, like I'm a part of, in the interest of full disclosure, part of the company Onnit, which is we sell supplements.

00:32:24.000 But the supplements that we sell, we control Everything that we sell, so we make sure that we do testing on it, the supplements that we sell like this shit, AlphaBrain, did two double-blind placebo-controlled studies at Boston Center for Memory that showed increase in verbal memory,

00:32:41.000 increase in a bunch of different things. 0.85

00:32:46.000 What was the other one?

00:32:47.000 There was reaction time.

00:32:50.000 There's actual scientific studies on nootropics.

00:32:53.000 They've been around for a long time.

00:32:54.000 I'm curious about them just because I haven't looked into them enough and I know they're new-ish into the supplement market.

00:33:02.000 So I kind of want to look into them and I don't know enough to comment.

00:33:05.000 They're essentially the building blocks for human neurotransmitters, which your body uses, the nutrients your body uses to make human neurotransmitters.

00:33:12.000 There's nothing woo-woo about it, nothing crazy, it's all backed by science. 0.92

00:33:15.000 But when we started putting them out, there was a lot of people that were claiming bullshit, you're selling snake oil.

00:33:20.000 So we had to control these studies and we had to, you know, We pay for them at the Boston Center for Memory.

00:33:27.000 We also had to make sure that we put a full 100% money-back guarantee on any of the supplements where you don't have to return them, just say they didn't work for you.

00:33:37.000 We're trying to make it as clean as possible.

00:33:39.000 This is stuff that I use.

00:33:40.000 I find benefit in it.

00:33:42.000 Let's see what people think about it, and let's make sure that we have studies.

00:33:46.000 But when you sell things like stickers...

00:33:48.000 Stickers. 0.99

00:33:49.000 Like, there's no fucking studies on stickers. 0.97

00:33:52.000 And Gwyneth Paltrow said, like, when she was on Kimmel a few weeks ago, and he was like, so how does this work? 0.99

00:33:56.000 Eventually just came out and said, I don't know how any of this shit works. 1.00

00:33:59.000 It's like, yeah, because you're selling rocks for your pussy. 1.00

00:34:02.000 Does she have somebody else that doesn't, maybe, and they're just unscrupulous? 1.00

00:34:05.000 No.

00:34:06.000 She's a part of it?

00:34:06.000 She's a CEO, and she's apparently in all the meetings for it.

00:34:10.000 Is she just busy reading? 1.00

00:34:11.000 Reading scripts and shit? 1.00

00:34:12.000 Look at this. 1.00

00:34:13.000 One, look at this.

00:34:15.000 Anti-anxiety.

00:34:16.000 Unicorn skin.

00:34:17.000 At the beach.

00:34:18.000 Beauty sleep.

00:34:19.000 Wait a minute.

00:34:20.000 One of each vibe.

00:34:21.000 One of the vibes is at the beach.

00:34:23.000 Chill.

00:34:23.000 It's a vibe.

00:34:24.000 That's what they're pre-programmed as.

00:34:25.000 Oh, they're chilled for self-love.

00:34:28.000 One of them is chilled for unicorn skin. 0.87

00:34:30.000 If it's chilled for self-love, I demand an orgasm within three minutes.

00:34:33.000 I don't think it works that way.

00:34:35.000 Yeah, I don't think so either.

00:34:36.000 It just gets you feeling good about yourself.

00:34:37.000 It doesn't get you rocked out.

00:34:40.000 But these things are, like, you know, it's really weird.

00:34:45.000 Like, I'm not a big fan of the government stepping in and, you know, regulating everything, because I know there's a lot of supplements that actually do work, and for them to get passed by the FDA, you have to go through these exhaustive tests.

00:35:00.000 Clinical trials.

00:35:01.000 They cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

00:35:02.000 It's a huge thing.

00:35:03.000 It takes a long time.

00:35:06.000 The reason I'm a fan of at least some amount of government regulation on supplements is to stop very unscrupulous claims.

00:35:14.000 Especially with some of the supplement industry, there are claims that there are certain things on...

00:35:22.000 Sorry, in a package.

00:35:24.000 And after some independent testing, you'll find that some packages don't have what they claim in there.

00:35:32.000 It was something like a third of supplement packages didn't have any of the ingredients in there, or they had less of it.

00:35:39.000 And I'm like, that's not good for the consumer.

00:35:41.000 So I wish there was a way to regulate it a little bit better, at least.

00:35:45.000 I just don't think it should be the government.

00:35:46.000 I think there should be some sort of an independent company that works in a very scientific way where you can hire them to test your stuff and run these tests.

00:36:00.000 You can show, there's got to be some way to show that there's no collusion, that there's no bribery, that, you know, everything's above board. 0.97

00:36:09.000 I don't know what the fuck that would be. 0.98

00:36:11.000 I don't know how that would be. 0.97

00:36:12.000 I'm not sure how it would work with, I mean, it's, like, I know the FDA has issues.

00:36:17.000 I know that drug approval definitely has issues.

00:36:20.000 Like, there have been drugs that have been passed that have had issues, but it's...

00:36:22.000 Well, they sell fentanyl.

00:36:23.000 That's all you need to know. 0.98

00:36:24.000 They sell OxyContin and Fentanyl, and people are prescribing shit that takes forever for people to get off, and has massive addiction rates. 0.90

00:36:32.000 Things like Fentanyl have some very limited purposes. 0.93

00:36:36.000 I've been put on Fentanyl for pre-surgery before.

00:36:39.000 Pre-surgery?

00:36:39.000 No, they put you on it just to put you out.

00:36:41.000 They're like, let's get this chick high as fuck. 1.00

00:36:43.000 I remember about 30 seconds, and I was told I threw up while I was under, and I don't remember. 0.99

00:36:49.000 Yeah, now I know that I can't have fentanyl.

00:36:52.000 But they just put you on to put you out.

00:36:54.000 But that's one of very few ethical applications of fentanyl.

00:37:00.000 And I mean, it depends on, like, I did my master's thesis on prescription opiate abuse trends in toxicology.

00:37:05.000 Oh, okay.

00:37:06.000 This is a sphere that I know pretty well.

00:37:07.000 But that's kind of one of the things with painkillers is that there are ethical prescribing practices with it.

00:37:14.000 There are ethical ways to manage patient use of it.

00:37:19.000 And then there are really horribly unethical ways that it can be prescribed and managed over time.

00:37:25.000 And this is something that the FDA hasn't managed well.

00:37:27.000 This is something that a lot of doctors haven't managed well.

00:37:30.000 And it's like we...

00:37:31.000 I mean, we started this when we were...

00:37:33.000 When they were like, let's go on a marketing campaign for OxyContin!

00:37:37.000 And it just kept getting worse from there.

00:37:40.000 There has to be a better way to manage what we're doing right now with it.

00:37:45.000 And it's not being done yet.

00:37:47.000 Yeah, obviously this has nothing to do with Gwyneth Paltrow or Goop.

00:37:50.000 I just think that they're some sort of an independent company or some sort of an...

00:37:55.000 I mean, I keep saying business, but there's so many problems with doing that.

00:37:59.000 And there's also problems with having the government do it.

00:38:01.000 I just don't think they've been adequate so far.

00:38:03.000 And the FDA stepping in and regulating all vitamins and making...

00:38:09.000 You know, they wanted to do that for a while.

00:38:10.000 They wanted to call them nutraceuticals.

00:38:12.000 They wanted to...

00:38:14.000 To have prescriptions for vitamins and things along those lines.

00:38:17.000 But the problem with that is, I don't want to have to go to the doctor to get multivitamins.

00:38:21.000 But I do want to make sure that the multivitamins that I get are pure.

00:38:24.000 Are safe.

00:38:25.000 Or not just safe, but that what you read.

00:38:27.000 What you're asking for.

00:38:28.000 Are you looking for B12? I want to make sure I'm getting B12. The other question is, how much of a vitamin do you need?

00:38:34.000 And I think that people buy vitamins indiscriminately because we really don't...

00:38:38.000 The average person doesn't need to take a multivitamin in the day if they're eating a healthy diet because you get pretty much what you need on a daily basis.

00:38:46.000 If you're not somebody with an absorption issue, if you're not somebody with any dietary issues, you're generally getting what you need out of your diet.

00:38:55.000 Well, if your diet is really healthy.

00:38:58.000 But most people do not have a really healthy diet.

00:39:00.000 Most people are getting about what they need out of their diet.

00:39:04.000 Most people?

00:39:05.000 Seriously?

00:39:05.000 In America?

00:39:06.000 We have some of the poorest diets ever. 1.00

00:39:08.000 People are just eating processed bullshit. 1.00

00:39:11.000 Well, no. 1.00

00:39:11.000 If you go to the doctor and get... 1.00

00:39:13.000 The average person...

00:39:14.000 I'm guessing you eat fairly healthy.

00:39:15.000 Yeah.

00:39:16.000 But the average person, if they go to the doctor to see if they're deficient on anything, they're not going to be deficient on anything.

00:39:22.000 I've been deficient.

00:39:23.000 I've gone and gotten my blood work done several times.

00:39:26.000 Really?

00:39:26.000 I've found out deficiencies in niacin, deficiencies in vitamin D... No, I've been before, but that was right when I was diagnosed with celiac disease, so I was deficient on a few things.

00:39:37.000 So that's an issue with wheat, and you have an issue absorbing food, right?

00:39:41.000 Yeah, so now that I've been...

00:39:43.000 I was at the skinniest point in my life, and then I stopped eating wheat, and I gained weight.

00:39:49.000 So, because suddenly your villi kind of, you know, they heal and you're able to absorb calories again.

00:39:55.000 I have a friend who's got a son who they was trying to figure out why he was so small.

00:39:59.000 He just couldn't eat and he was never hungry and he would eat and he would get sick.

00:40:03.000 Everything is miserable and...

00:40:04.000 Wheat?

00:40:05.000 He's got a wheat allergy.

00:40:07.000 He's got a corn allergy.

00:40:09.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:40:09.000 Everything was just making him miserable.

00:40:11.000 Yeah, this poor little kid.

00:40:12.000 I mean, I got quote-unquote lucky.

00:40:13.000 I only got symptoms when I was an adult.

00:40:17.000 So you ate wheat all throughout your childhood years, no problem.

00:40:20.000 Yeah, no problem.

00:40:21.000 And I mean, I was even overweight as a kid.

00:40:24.000 So then when I was an adult, suddenly horrible symptoms showed up.

00:40:28.000 How does that work?

00:40:29.000 Do they have an idea of why?

00:40:31.000 What cost is that?

00:40:32.000 Celia can show up or the symptoms of it.

00:40:34.000 You always have the underlying physiology and all of a sudden symptoms can just show up out of the blue.

00:40:41.000 So it's like lying dormant and then all of a sudden it becomes active?

00:40:43.000 I had a bunch of health issues to kind of show up in my 20s.

00:40:47.000 I'm like, all right, I got to start taking care of myself.

00:40:50.000 Started going to the gym, ran a few marathons, lost a lot of weight.

00:40:53.000 Like, even when I was suddenly at a healthy weight, it was like I couldn't stop losing weight because my intestines just weren't absorbing anything.

00:41:01.000 And that's not a thing you see coming.

00:41:04.000 You're like, I'm at a healthy weight.

00:41:05.000 Why isn't this stopping?

00:41:06.000 And it was not good.

00:41:08.000 But, you know, eventually it was funny because the gluten trend or the anti-gluten trend had already shown up.

00:41:13.000 And a doctor suggested to me, well, have you tried going gluten free?

00:41:16.000 And I'm like, oh, that's a silly fad three months later.

00:41:20.000 Diagnosed with celiac disease.

00:41:21.000 I'm like, if I hadn't been so skeptical of everything.

00:41:24.000 Yeah, I don't think gluten-free is a fad.

00:41:25.000 I don't think gluten's the best thing for your body.

00:41:28.000 I think that it's okay every now and then.

00:41:30.000 But I think that essentially what you're getting when you're eating processed grains is you're getting something in your body.

00:41:36.000 It's kind of alien.

00:41:37.000 Your body doesn't exactly know what to do with it.

00:41:38.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:41:40.000 Tests keep showing there doesn't seem to be a problem with gluten if you don't have celiac disease.

00:41:45.000 But what does that mean by a problem?

00:41:47.000 Is it like for optimizing your health?

00:41:49.000 Is it something that you should have in your diet all the time?

00:41:52.000 Or is it something that, I mean, it really does convert to sugar?

00:41:55.000 Well, everything converts to sugar.

00:41:58.000 Your body converts everything in some way, shape, or form into usable fuel, and the usable fuel is eventually glucose or NADPH. Everything in your body gets converted to sugar when you use it for fuel.

00:42:10.000 But if you eat a piece of salmon or if you eat a bowl of pasta, there's a very different reaction how your body absorbs these two things.

00:42:17.000 Yes, this is true, because all calories aren't the same.

00:42:21.000 Right, they don't both get absorbed to sugar.

00:42:22.000 But avoiding gluten and switching over to, say, all rice, that's not going to change all that much in your body in terms of the biochemical mischief, unless you have a gluten allergy.

00:42:39.000 But there are levels.

00:42:41.000 In sensitivities.

00:42:42.000 But there's also levels to that too, right?

00:42:45.000 Like there's some people where it's like minorly irritating and there's some people that have extreme issues with it.

00:42:50.000 Well, here's at this point, and this is why I always say at this point in our scientific knowledge, because scientific knowledge can evolve and we can learn new things.

00:42:57.000 You know, at one point, the thing that started off the whole gluten trend was a kind of poorly designed study where they had a small sample size of people and they designed it just to test, you know, gluten versus a diet without gluten.

00:43:11.000 And they came to the conclusion that about 20% of people, just based on this very small study, had a bad reaction to gluten.

00:43:19.000 That's pretty high.

00:43:21.000 I came in saying they had stomach problems. 0.98

00:43:24.000 Now, they looked at it and said, afterwards, the scientists all sat back and said, why were only about 1% of people having celiac disease and then all of a sudden 20% of people are running around like gluten's making their dick fly off? 0.97

00:43:39.000 There's something up here.

00:43:40.000 So they made a better-designed study, and they took out common...

00:43:44.000 They did, you know, kind of double-blind, did a better-designed study to say, we're going to take out all these other causes of gastrointestinal distress, and we're going to try to make this double-blind.

00:43:53.000 And they figured out it was the FODMAPs.

00:43:55.000 There were these short-chain oligosaccharides that can pull water into the gut and cause some gastrointestinal distress.

00:44:01.000 And it was really closer to between, like, 1% and about 5% of people that were having any issues with gluten.

00:44:08.000 What was causing that, though?

00:44:10.000 The gastrointestinal stress in the 1 to 5 percent?

00:44:14.000 Yeah.

00:44:14.000 So 1 percent is celiac disease, for sure.

00:44:16.000 1 percent?

00:44:17.000 Yeah, 1 percent.

00:44:17.000 Is that really what is across the board with people?

00:44:20.000 1 percent is celiac.

00:44:21.000 Wow, that's really high.

00:44:22.000 That is fairly high.

00:44:22.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:44:23.000 That higher percent of people, that 2 to 5, here's the question.

00:44:27.000 Now, they're still trying to figure out why some people seem to have an issue with gluten.

00:44:32.000 Now, I could be wrong.

00:44:33.000 This is just off the top of my head.

00:44:34.000 It's what I remember from the study, but I've had to cite it a few times, so I think my knowledge is accurate.

00:44:39.000 Feel free to fact check me out at home.

00:44:41.000 But the thing with those extra percent, they're trying to figure out why they might have an issue with gluten.

00:44:48.000 Because they, you know, like wheat is, you know, you think of it as a carb heavy thing, right?

00:44:52.000 And gluten is a protein.

00:44:54.000 So that other few percentage of people, they're trying to figure out why the gluten does it, because gluten is in a few other things.

00:45:00.000 It's in barley, rye, and rye.

00:45:03.000 So what they figured out is that, or this is the going theory right now, gluten can cause a small reaction in the stomach where you produce this protein called zonulin that can cause an increase in inflammation.

00:45:17.000 This seems to be, and this is what I, this has only been one study that I've read on it.

00:45:21.000 It seems to be relatively new.

00:45:22.000 They're still looking into it.

00:45:23.000 So there's a chance that people might be in the two to five percent that can't handle it because of that.

00:45:28.000 It could be another component of the wheat, barley, rye that's causing it.

00:45:34.000 But gluten in and of itself, it's not, you know, it's unless you are one of those people that has an actual reaction to it, perfectly fine.

00:45:42.000 Go on to have, you know, go have a sandwich.

00:45:44.000 So, but, you know, if you want one.

00:45:46.000 If you want one, yeah.

00:45:48.000 I cut back my carbs pretty heavily over the last couple of years, and I've had really good results with it.

00:45:53.000 Yeah, I mean, if you're someone who's trying to build muscle, you know...

00:45:56.000 It's not even just that.

00:45:57.000 I just think that eventually it becomes too much sugar.

00:46:00.000 It's too much sugar in your body.

00:46:01.000 If you're eating a lot...

00:46:02.000 Remember back when you used to have that food pyramid, and the bottom of the food pyramid was all breads?

00:46:06.000 Yes, I mean...

00:46:07.000 You know, I mean, it's kind of interesting because that's like stealing Dr. Seuss books that I read to my kids.

00:46:11.000 It's like, wow, they haven't figured this out yet?

00:46:14.000 You're not really supposed to eat that much bread and pasta.

00:46:16.000 It's not supposed to be the most thing.

00:46:18.000 I think one of the funny parts of that is that back in the day when that was made, I think slices of bread were much smaller.

00:46:25.000 Were they?

00:46:26.000 I think that's part of it.

00:46:28.000 I just think people didn't know as much back then.

00:46:30.000 Well, I think there are a few things that are going on with it.

00:46:33.000 One is that we're really bad at counting calories.

00:46:35.000 And we were chit-chatting a little bit before he showed up.

00:46:38.000 They now have a way of tracking how many calories people take in a day.

00:46:44.000 I forget exactly how it works.

00:46:55.000 I'll shoot you the article after this.

00:47:00.000 It was, God, I need to find this article, but it was, they could do this and they were tracking how registered dietitians versus, you know, the average Joe would, you know, could count, because they were, you know, count down how many calories you had in a day.

00:47:14.000 A registered dietitian who, you know, really well trained on dietetic type stuff versus average person counting their calories.

00:47:20.000 The dietitian was off by about 200 calories.

00:47:23.000 Average person was off by about 500. About what they were guessing?

00:47:27.000 About what That's not too bad.

00:47:29.000 200 over several thousand, which is what most people take in a day.

00:47:34.000 But think about it.

00:47:34.000 If you're trying to lose weight, and you're the average person, and you're off by 500 calories, and you're supposed to, in the course of a week, to lose one pound, you're supposed to have a 500-calorie caloric deficit.

00:47:45.000 There's your deficit.

00:47:46.000 It's not there anymore.

00:47:47.000 So people are really bad at tracking their calories, and they're really bad at knowing what a portion size is.

00:47:53.000 So one of the best ways I've seen from the personal trainers that I confer with is Is weighing out your food.

00:47:59.000 It's much harder to make a mistake.

00:48:01.000 That is a good way.

00:48:02.000 Another way is there's a bunch of companies.

00:48:04.000 I don't have any affiliation with any of them, but there's a bunch of companies that make pre-packaged meals that are healthy.

00:48:10.000 And they'll tell you exactly what the portion sizes are and exactly how many calories are in and what the nutrients are in that package.

00:48:19.000 And that's a good way to do it, too, so there's no guesswork.

00:48:21.000 Yeah.

00:48:22.000 Here's one of the other things.

00:48:23.000 I don't think carbs in and of themselves are evil.

00:48:26.000 I think you have to burn what you take in.

00:48:28.000 You have to balance your carbs, your fats, your proteins, and you'll be okay.

00:48:32.000 And it really depends on what you're doing for exercise.

00:48:34.000 And a lot of people overestimate how much they move, underestimate how much they eat.

00:48:41.000 And I'm friends with a lot of people in the fitness community, a lot of weightlifters, and it depends on what they're doing.

00:48:47.000 If they're on a bulk, their calories will go up to 3,000.

00:48:50.000 If they're on a cut, they're like, I'm on poverty carbs right now.

00:48:53.000 So it's like 50 carbs over the course of a day.

00:48:55.000 Okay, you're talking about bodybuilding.

00:48:56.000 Oh yeah.

00:48:57.000 That's so unhealthy.

00:48:58.000 It's so crazy that we think of that as a healthy thing.

00:49:02.000 It's funny because during the year when they're not training for a competition, it looks fine.

00:49:07.000 And then when they're six weeks out from a competition, they're like, I have a cup of water a day.

00:49:11.000 I'm like, this is not good for you.

00:49:14.000 Well, it's not good for them during the time where they're cutting and shredding.

00:49:17.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:49:18.000 Like when you see a bodybuilder on stage and they're shredded and they have zero body fat.

00:49:23.000 Oh my God.

00:49:24.000 I mean, they're down to like probably like three or four percent or something like that.

00:49:26.000 They're dying for water. 0.67

00:49:27.000 It's so unhealthy.

00:49:28.000 It's like they're literally on death's door, but they look amazing.

00:49:31.000 They're shredded.

00:49:32.000 You can see every last sinew and fiber of their muscle.

00:49:36.000 But that's someone who's like in a really bad place.

00:49:40.000 Their kidneys are like that close to going away. 0.95

00:49:44.000 It's not good.

00:49:45.000 It's definitely not good for your body when they're in that performance zone.

00:49:49.000 It's so weird that that's like what we really enjoy looking at, though.

00:49:53.000 The rest of the year, though, they eat, and I mean, my trainer is a bodybuilder, and it's like what he has me on for weight loss isn't that crazy.

00:50:01.000 It's about 1,600 calories a day, a fairly good Okay balance of proteins, carbs, and fats.

00:50:09.000 At first he had me on a much higher amount of carbs.

00:50:11.000 He's a bodybuilder?

00:50:12.000 Is he a dietitian?

00:50:15.000 No, but I have consulted with a dietitian too.

00:50:19.000 These are the people I consult with for my writing.

00:50:22.000 They were like, yeah, that looks all right.

00:50:24.000 You're not anything crazy.

00:50:26.000 Because of my height and weight that I started with, at first he had me at 1,800.

00:50:29.000 I'm like, I'm not quite losing here.

00:50:31.000 He's like, let's go down another couple hundred.

00:50:34.000 It's, you know, and the way they started out with is always, you know, your weight times 10 and then they bust up the, you know, carbs, proteins, fats from there.

00:50:41.000 And, you know, if you need to adjust, go from, you know, go from there.

00:50:45.000 And it's like I started with lifting because I, you know, because I've screwed up my joints so badly from the amount of running I've done that I'm like, all right, I will try weightlifting.

00:50:53.000 And it's been kind of fun.

00:50:54.000 I've enjoyed, I've enjoyed learning how to deadlift.

00:50:57.000 That's interesting.

00:50:58.000 So you screw your joints up from running, but not from lifting weights?

00:51:01.000 Lifting has been a little easier on my joints, actually.

00:51:03.000 Strengthening joints, maybe?

00:51:05.000 Yeah.

00:51:05.000 I mean, I have a kind of a bit of a joint condition.

00:51:09.000 A condition?

00:51:10.000 They pop part way out of the socket.

00:51:13.000 And what's that from?

00:51:14.000 It's called...

00:51:15.000 You're hearing all of my medical stuff.

00:51:18.000 I apologize.

00:51:19.000 It's called Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome.

00:51:21.000 Do you want to see it or no?

00:51:23.000 You can do it?

00:51:24.000 I can pop my shoulder halfway out.

00:51:25.000 Okay.

00:51:26.000 Let's see.

00:51:26.000 So most people, when they stretch, they stop like here.

00:51:29.000 Right.

00:51:30.000 Mine keep going.

00:51:31.000 Whoa.

00:51:32.000 Yeah.

00:51:33.000 But I've had...

00:51:34.000 Like, this one's had three...

00:51:35.000 It just seems like your shoulder's flexible.

00:51:37.000 Yeah, but I mean...

00:51:37.000 You've had a bunch of dislocations?

00:51:39.000 If you can see, it's popping a little bit right there.

00:51:41.000 But yeah, it's like my hip pops part way out, depending on the...

00:51:44.000 I can't...

00:51:45.000 So is that something that you can strengthen to keep it from happening?

00:51:48.000 Yeah.

00:51:48.000 Like, the more weightlifting I do, the less popping it does.

00:51:51.000 But it's been...

00:51:52.000 I mean, this is way less bad than it was a few months ago.

00:51:54.000 Before, like, you could visibly see the pop.

00:51:56.000 Like, you can still feel it, but it's...

00:51:58.000 There's...

00:51:59.000 The problem with being hypermobile like that is you leave yourself open to a lot of different injuries.

00:52:06.000 Basic movement can make something snap.

00:52:09.000 I think this goes back to what we were talking about when it comes to people that have back issues.

00:52:15.000 One of the things that has been super beneficial for me is exercising my back and yoga and doing a bunch of different things.

00:52:25.000 Stretching.

00:52:27.000 And making sure that my core and my spine are very strong.

00:52:31.000 And that's something that kind of gets ignored by a lot of people that have back issues.

00:52:36.000 It's like one of the reasons why you probably have a back issue, whether it's a herniated disc or a bulging disc, is that Your back is not strong enough to sustain whatever load you're putting on it, whatever exercise you're doing, whatever movement you're doing that's causing it to pop out of place.

00:52:52.000 The issue is most likely that you are not strong enough.

00:52:55.000 And a lot of that comes from a sedentary lifestyle, comes from sitting at a desk all the time, comes from poor posture.

00:53:01.000 There's a variety of different factors that are not addressed by chiropractors or by other people.

00:53:06.000 And if they are addressed by a chiropractor, well, that's one good thing that they're telling you.

00:53:10.000 I mean, it still doesn't take away from where this whole thing started from.

00:53:14.000 Yeah, and I mean, it's not always the case that back injuries come from that.

00:53:17.000 Like, sometimes it's just you did, like, your disc was going to degenerate.

00:53:21.000 That was written into your life.

00:53:24.000 Like, my boyfriend did nothing to screw up his back, and just a disc started degenerating, and he was a rock climber, and there was no known injury.

00:53:34.000 It just happened.

00:53:35.000 Right.

00:53:37.000 How do you know that, though?

00:53:38.000 When you're talking about someone having an issue in their disc, is it from continual use?

00:53:42.000 Is it because they're not stretching?

00:53:44.000 Is it because they didn't have enough strength in the back?

00:53:47.000 I mean, those are all really valid questions.

00:53:49.000 You never know what's going to be the cause of it beforehand.

00:53:54.000 That's why preventative medicine is hard, but that's why I always say get to the gym and lift some weights.

00:53:59.000 If you're someone who is prone to having a back injury, What does that mean?

00:54:09.000 Why would they be prone to it?

00:54:11.000 Well, in my case, I have scoliosis as a part of Ehlers-Danlos.

00:54:15.000 That's a different thing.

00:54:16.000 That's why I say prone to it.

00:54:18.000 But prone to disc degeneration?

00:54:22.000 Why would someone be prone to that?

00:54:24.000 Degenerative disc disease.

00:54:25.000 I don't know.

00:54:27.000 Actually, I'm not sure.

00:54:28.000 That's a very disputed thing.

00:54:30.000 Yeah, I really don't know off the top of my head.

00:54:32.000 So I don't know if that's something that's written to your DNA or if that's something that you injure and it just gets worse.

00:54:42.000 Well, I think that's a lot of it.

00:54:43.000 I think that's what I've been talking to people that work on people that have bulging discs and doctors that are...

00:54:49.000 I mean, there's some new therapies they're doing for that now.

00:54:51.000 One of the things they're doing is they're injecting stem cells directly into the discs.

00:54:55.000 Yeah, it's very new.

00:54:56.000 And they're doing it on some fighters.

00:54:58.000 I'd love to see how that pans out.

00:55:00.000 Yeah, well, they've got some really promising results, apparently.

00:55:02.000 And so they've just started it within the last six to eight months.

00:55:05.000 Yeah, I mean, like, the biggest issue I have is that I have a—and I mean, it's not a bad enough case of scoliosis where I need surgery or a back brace.

00:55:13.000 It's just enough to be inconvenient.

00:55:16.000 So it's like I'm—my big thing I'm doing is, all right, if I can lift and keep my back strong, it will stop me from having surgery eventually.

00:55:22.000 And back surgery is just almost never a good thing to hear because they're always— Like, when you fix something surgically, there are just almost always complications, especially with your back.

00:55:33.000 So I'm like, if I can keep rods out of my back, I'll be very happy.

00:55:36.000 Well, you know, I've had some surgeries that were very effective.

00:55:38.000 I have knee reconstructions.

00:55:40.000 Both of my knees have been reconstructed, and it turned out great.

00:55:43.000 But I have had friends that have had some back issues, especially fusions, that have been a big, big nightmare.

00:55:49.000 Yeah, that's what I'd probably end up with, because, like, middle of my back, it just kind of goes...

00:55:54.000 And I'm like, this is not something I... I've been told, it's funny, I love yoga, and I've been told it's not good for people with Ehlers-Danlos, so I'm like, I don't...

00:56:04.000 Who have you been told that by?

00:56:05.000 My rheumatologist.

00:56:07.000 And it's like, that's like, but there are still some yoga moves I do just at the end of my workouts because they feel great to stretch out my back, and they feel like they strengthen my core quite a bit.

00:56:17.000 Well, why do they say it's bad for you?

00:56:19.000 Because of how hypermobile I am, I'll do downward dog and it doesn't even feel like it stretches me because I'm so flexy to start with.

00:56:31.000 That doesn't make any sense, but you're still strengthening all those muscles that support your spine.

00:56:35.000 Why would that be bad?

00:56:36.000 I got nothing.

00:56:37.000 You can deadlift and you can't do yoga? 0.98

00:56:39.000 That seems ridiculous. 0.97

00:56:40.000 That doesn't make any sense at all. 0.97

00:56:42.000 Welcome to a really weird disorder. 0.98

00:56:44.000 But is that what it is, or is it doctors that don't really exactly know what the fuck they're talking about? 0.96

00:56:48.000 Because there's a lot of doctors, you get injured, and they're like, well, you've got to stop doing anything. 0.98

00:56:52.000 It's that thing where it's like Ehlers-Danlos is a weirdo disorder.

00:56:55.000 Basically, your collagen is not able to heal itself or stay kind of in shape as it used to.

00:57:01.000 But it's okay to deadlift?

00:57:03.000 Deadlift has been fine.

00:57:08.000 It's partially that you're not stretching.

00:57:11.000 You're strengthening.

00:57:13.000 I don't know how else to phrase it.

00:57:15.000 You're not stretching your body into weird positions.

00:57:19.000 You're tensing everything.

00:57:20.000 But there's a lot of yoga that's not stretching.

00:57:22.000 It's strengthening.

00:57:23.000 Like when you're standing...

00:57:25.000 Well, I mean, there's a bunch of stretches, but obviously there's a bunch of things that do stretch your body out, but there's a bunch of things that are just strengthening exercises.

00:57:34.000 No, it's like, here's the thing, you have a really good point, and this is just what I've been told from a doctor who, in all honesty, I don't know how well he knows Ehlers-Danlos because it's a rare disorder.

00:57:45.000 Yeah.

00:57:46.000 Well, I think doctors like to say don't do that.

00:57:48.000 Yeah.

00:57:49.000 It's a big thing.

00:57:49.000 Like when you've got something injured, don't do that.

00:57:53.000 And it's weird because the things they've told me to do seem so much more intense than yoga.

00:58:00.000 Like what?

00:58:00.000 I mean, I've been told go ahead and bike, go ahead and deadlift, go ahead and...

00:58:05.000 And for fuck's sake, they've told me I can rock climb, which is a thing. 0.93

00:58:09.000 That's one of my other exercise-y things. 0.99

00:58:11.000 But yoga, they've said, is off limits.

00:58:14.000 Do they know yoga?

00:58:15.000 No.

00:58:15.000 I mean, this is the problem.

00:58:17.000 Like, when people say don't do yoga, I always think they think of somebody as, like, bending over and touching the back of their head onto their feet.

00:58:23.000 I think the reason is because they know how flexible I started at, so they think I'm going to pull something out more because of how much I'll push the condition that's already there.

00:58:33.000 And I think that's the concern.

00:58:35.000 See, the problem with someone saying don't do yoga is like, well, yoga encompasses a tremendous amount of different movement.

00:58:41.000 I find it really strengthening.

00:58:43.000 And I was surprised because I used to be kind of that runner chick who was like, I don't have time for yoga.

00:58:48.000 It's boring.

00:58:49.000 And then I started trying it.

00:58:50.000 Of all people, my boyfriend dragged me to a yoga class with him and I left and I'm like, I am destroyed. 0.95

00:58:56.000 That was the hardest thing I've ever fucking done. 0.76

00:58:58.000 It's very hard. 0.98

00:58:59.000 Like, oh my God, my arms were dead afterwards.

00:59:02.000 Yeah, it's very hard.

00:59:02.000 Now, what made you decide to write this chiropractic article, and what's been the feedback from it?

00:59:07.000 Oh, God.

00:59:08.000 So my editor, and this is the editor that I worked with at Gawker, at Cosmo, and now she's at the outline, and I love writing there.

00:59:17.000 And we had talked about doing one on chiros for ages, and we got to the outline, and it was like, what do we have on the table for next one?

00:59:24.000 She's like, want to do chiros?

00:59:25.000 I'm like... 1.00

00:59:26.000 Fuck yes, I do! 0.99

00:59:28.000 What was your thoughts on it before you wrote the article? 1.00

00:59:30.000 Before I wrote the article, I knew that a lot of chiros did a lot of crazy things. 1.00

00:59:36.000 I knew they adjusted infants, that they had claimed... 0.97

00:59:40.000 I knew about the vertebral subluxation theory and that that was bullshit. 0.99

00:59:43.000 And I knew that a lot of them on social media were crazy. 0.98

00:59:46.000 Like one of the people I reported on...

00:59:47.000 Was Billy DeMoss.

00:59:49.000 And he thinks chemtrails are real. 1.00

00:59:53.000 He's a whole cluster of fucks. 1.00

00:59:57.000 No vaccinations. 1.00

00:59:59.000 Oh my god.

01:00:01.000 He's a chemtrail guy, huh? 0.99

01:00:03.000 That's fucking hilarious. 0.98

01:00:05.000 If you're bored, go for 10 minutes and read up on Billy DeMoss. 0.99

01:00:08.000 He's fun.

01:00:10.000 And it's funny because I'll get into that in a minute.

01:00:15.000 I learned a lot doing this because I didn't realize that D.D. Palmer, the guy who invented it, He got most of his information from doing seances with a dead doctor.

01:00:26.000 That blew my mind.

01:00:28.000 I'm like, I know it's late and I'm a little high right now, but I had to have hallucinated that.

01:00:34.000 Read it again the next morning.

01:00:35.000 I'm like, nope, that's for real.

01:00:38.000 And nobody in chiropractic questions this.

01:00:41.000 When they go to actual, you were telling me this before the show and I stopped you.

01:00:46.000 I said, let's talk about this during the show. 0.99

01:00:47.000 When you said you've talked to chiropractors that were in the middle of chiropractic school and they read about this stuff and they were like, what in the fuck? 0.94

01:00:55.000 It's sort of like that, did you ever see Going Clear, that Scientology documentary? 0.98

01:00:59.000 Oh, that was a good one. 0.99

01:00:59.000 Yeah, but like when Haggis gets to a certain stage of the Scientology where they give him the written notes by L. Ron Hubbard and he's like, what in the fuck? 0.99

01:01:07.000 And you're $300,000 in and you can't leave. 0.55

01:01:10.000 So I got two emails from chiropractors.

01:01:13.000 And I couldn't put their names out publicly.

01:01:16.000 But I got two emails from chiropractors and I checked in and I'm like, these are indeed chiropractors.

01:01:21.000 I went to their websites. 0.99

01:01:22.000 They were absolutely on the level that said they went to chiropractic school and partway through they realized it was all shit. 0.99

01:01:29.000 One of them even said they wouldn't refer people to a chiropractor. 1.00

01:01:33.000 It was nutty. 0.96

01:01:34.000 And one of the guys, he sent me to a forum in which chiropractors bitch about the field of chiropractic. 1.00

01:01:42.000 What do they say? 1.00

01:01:43.000 They were like, which part of this is bullshit? 0.99

01:01:46.000 Do you guys believe in the vertebral subluxation theory? 0.98

01:01:49.000 And they're like, no, subluxations don't exist.

01:01:51.000 If you want to do this ethically, just take people in who have injuries, try to do some physical therapy, get them stronger, and get them out in as few sessions as you can.

01:02:00.000 So they're essentially unlicensed physical therapists.

01:02:02.000 Yeah, and it's funny because I'll occasionally pass by a chiropractic clinic where I see them saying back injuries, work injuries, sports, physical therapy, and I'm like, okay, if I ever wanted to go to a chiropractor because I'd lost my mind and couldn't find a physical therapist, that's the type I would go to. 0.99

01:02:18.000 But if you ever see them advertising magic crystals and aura healing, fucking run! 0.98

01:02:23.000 Run! 1.00

01:02:24.000 There are a few of them out there.

01:02:27.000 And I looked at one of the guy's websites who emailed me and there was an FAQ. It's like, do you have to keep coming back forever?

01:02:32.000 No, we try to get you out in as few sessions as possible.

01:02:35.000 I'm like, oh, I have hope.

01:02:37.000 But there's a woman who... 1.00

01:02:39.000 But still, the basis of it is bullshit. 0.99

01:02:42.000 So it's like, even if you're trying to get me out in as few sessions as possible... 0.99

01:02:45.000 You're still...

01:02:46.000 But there was a...

01:02:47.000 It's funny.

01:02:48.000 There's a woman.

01:02:48.000 Her name is Britt-Marie Hermes.

01:02:51.000 She went to school to be a naturopath.

01:02:53.000 And she graduated, became a naturopath. 1.00

01:02:55.000 And she realized after a short period of time that it was all bullshit. 1.00

01:02:59.000 Like, naturopathic doctor. 0.99

01:03:00.000 And she's like, we can't actually treat people.

01:03:02.000 We have to send people to real doctors. 1.00

01:03:04.000 The advice we're giving is all based on misdirection and complete shit. 0.99

01:03:08.000 And I... I'm so in awe of the fact that she went through this. 0.99

01:03:15.000 And these people, one of the things they said was, you know, I was in all this debt.

01:03:20.000 I figured just, you know, I'm like Paul Haggis, you know, I'm already here.

01:03:24.000 May as well keep going.

01:03:25.000 Britt said, you know, it doesn't matter. 1.00

01:03:27.000 I realized I was in a profession based on bullshit. 0.99

01:03:29.000 I had to leave. 0.99

01:03:30.000 And you did have some people that you talked to that were chiropractors that were in the middle of it and they realized it was bullshit and they had to stay. 0.96

01:03:36.000 And they stayed because... 0.99

01:03:37.000 Like, what the fuck do I do? 0.97

01:03:38.000 I have to get my money back for my student loans. 0.97

01:03:40.000 And I'm like, you know what?

01:03:41.000 You could have gone...

01:03:42.000 Like, you weren't...

01:03:43.000 You can get...

01:03:44.000 Like, I mean, I say this as someone who went into a lot of debt for my real degree.

01:03:48.000 Go and get another degree if you're smart enough to have gotten at least your undergrad before you went to Palmer Chiropractic...

01:03:55.000 Do you have to have an undergrad before you go to Palmer Chiropractic?

01:03:58.000 I believe so, given that it's a doctorate program.

01:04:00.000 Now, one of the guys that I went to undergrad with...

01:04:02.000 Now, he was smart.

01:04:03.000 He had a biology degree, and he was there on scholarship.

01:04:06.000 He was one of the smarter kids in the bio program.

01:04:09.000 He could have gotten a real doctorate if he wanted.

01:04:13.000 He went to Palmer.

01:04:15.000 Same school as some of the...

01:04:22.000 I'm going to go.

01:04:35.000 He adjusts infants.

01:04:36.000 He claims that he can stop bedwetting from adjusting a seven-year-old.

01:04:40.000 I'm like, oh my God.

01:04:43.000 I'm sitting here going, my God.

01:04:44.000 This guy that I went to school with who seemed...

01:04:48.000 He was smart.

01:04:50.000 It was hard to be mad.

01:04:53.000 I was just disappointed in this person.

01:04:55.000 Are they just stuck in this system?

01:04:57.000 Is that what it is?

01:04:58.000 There's a bunch of people that are also doing the same thing and they just kind of get caught up in the momentum of this idea.

01:05:03.000 I think they hear it from a bunch of people who they think are experts, like they're teachers, and they're going, no, this is accepted, so we're going to take it.

01:05:10.000 It's like, you know what, if you, like, if I saw people in science, like, because I promote a lot of things that, you know, we might disagree on, but, you know, I promote a lot of ideas in science that I've seen the evidence for, and I've seen a lot of it.

01:05:21.000 Like, what would we disagree on?

01:05:23.000 You know, some dietary things, I would guess.

01:05:25.000 Like, because, you know, we can hash them.

01:05:27.000 Like, what are, I don't know, what are your thoughts on GMOs?

01:05:31.000 I think genetically modified foods is apparently almost everything that you buy at the supermarket.

01:05:36.000 Okay, we agree on that then, probably.

01:05:38.000 Every tomato you buy, every orange, if you look at a piece of corn, oh, it's organic. 1.00

01:05:43.000 That shit is genetically modified. 1.00

01:05:45.000 It's been modified for a hundred years. 1.00

01:05:46.000 You're going to make me cry tears of happiness.

01:05:49.000 I've had Kevin Fulton before.

01:05:52.000 I was so happy you had him on because he's never in California.

01:05:55.000 We went out for dinner that night. 0.99

01:05:57.000 He takes a lot of shit because Monsanto has funded some of the studies that they've done. 0.99

01:06:01.000 But the studies are real. 1.00

01:06:04.000 You can see the results.

01:06:05.000 They're not manipulated.

01:06:07.000 Yeah, Kevin, it's...

01:06:08.000 Well, actually, you know, they funded his communication program so that he can come out and do things like this.

01:06:13.000 And they never funded any of his research.

01:06:16.000 That's right.

01:06:17.000 You're right.

01:06:17.000 I misspoke.

01:06:18.000 No, no, it's fine.

01:06:19.000 But you know what?

01:06:20.000 Here's a... 0.98

01:06:21.000 And this is where he got a lot of shit was that he said, I have nothing to do with Monsanto. 0.97

01:06:27.000 And, like, I think if he just said, you know what, they fund my communication program, but they don't have anything to do with my research... 0.98

01:06:34.000 I think people still would have been mad, but I think people would have been far less mad.

01:06:39.000 And I feel so bad that he went through everything with that.

01:06:41.000 It's tricky.

01:06:42.000 If you do anything with Monsanto, it's tricky.

01:06:44.000 I just took a tour there and I got hate mail.

01:06:48.000 We were so careful because I was out there for other business.

01:06:51.000 And they were like, oh, you're going to be out in Missouri.

01:06:53.000 Come have a tour.

01:06:55.000 Visit the Death Star.

01:06:57.000 And I had so much fun.

01:06:58.000 They have a lot of really cool tech there.

01:07:01.000 And if you were ever in the area, they'd gladly show you around.

01:07:04.000 So they were nice to me.

01:07:06.000 It was funny.

01:07:06.000 One of the rumors that I heard about that was they only have organic food in the cafeteria.

01:07:11.000 I'm like, I'm taking my camera around and taking pictures of everything.

01:07:15.000 The word organic is such a weird word, too.

01:07:18.000 It's like, what's organic and what's not now?

01:07:20.000 It's a very weird definition.

01:07:22.000 Organic uses pesticides, and that's something I think people see.

01:07:26.000 Does it?

01:07:26.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:07:27.000 I thought that was the whole point of organic, is that you don't use pesticides.

01:07:32.000 No, I'm sure there are some organic farmers that don't use any.

01:07:35.000 That's possible.

01:07:35.000 Let's Google this.

01:07:36.000 What defines organic food?

01:07:40.000 Let's find out what is the accepted definition of organic food.

01:07:43.000 Do you want to hear it from me and then from Google to see if I'm accurate?

01:07:46.000 All right, so organic food works by certain farming or agricultural standards, and they can use certain pesticides.

01:07:53.000 In most cases, these pesticides are derived from natural sources.

01:07:58.000 Not always, but most of the time.

01:08:00.000 And some of these pesticides include pesticides like rotenone and the pyrethrums.

01:08:04.000 And also, if you're familiar with BT corn, the BT toxin is also used in organic farming.

01:08:11.000 Because it's a naturally occurring toxin, it can be used and sprayed topically on organic produce.

01:08:19.000 So a lot of these, the things that we think of as just conventional farming practices, definitely use in organic farming.

01:08:26.000 It doesn't make it any better or worse.

01:08:28.000 It just, in a lot of cases, it's a little more expensive, partially because of the certification process and partially because it uses older farming techniques that need, you know, a little more land, that type of stuff.

01:08:38.000 It also uses till farming practices that, you know, digs up the ground a bit more and can release a little more CO2. So in general, I tend to, oh, here we go.

01:08:47.000 Here we go.

01:08:50.000 Hold on.

01:08:54.000 Hold on.

01:09:06.000 Hold on.

01:09:07.000 Sorry.

01:09:07.000 The USDA National Organic Program defines organic as follows.

01:09:12.000 Organic food is produced by farmers who emphasize the use of renewable resources and the conservation of soil and water to enhance environmental quality for future generations.

01:09:22.000 Organic meat, poultry, and eggs and dairy products are made from animals that are given no antibiotics or growth hormones.

01:09:27.000 Organic food is produced without using most conventional pesticides.

01:09:31.000 Here we go.

01:09:32.000 Fertilizers made with synthetic ingredients or sewage sludge bioengineering or ionizing radiation.

01:09:39.000 Before a product can be labeled organic, a government-approved certifier inspects the farm where the food is grown to make sure the farmer is following all the rules necessary to meet USDA organic standards.

01:09:52.000 Now, the one thing on there that I'll disagree with with their first paragraph, as they say, without the use of pesticides, in the second paragraph, it says organic food is produced without using most conventional pesticides.

01:10:03.000 You see that slight, little sleight of hand?

01:10:06.000 Well, one of them is theirs, and the other one is USDA. Exactly.

01:10:10.000 Little sleight of hand there!

01:10:12.000 And I mean, if I may ask, would you like to Google...

01:10:17.000 Well, hold on a second.

01:10:18.000 Let's Google what pesticides can be used and still make it organic.

01:10:23.000 That's exactly what I was going to request.

01:10:25.000 It's organic pesticides approved for use in the U.S. Here we go.

01:10:32.000 Now, what are the fears of pesticides, right?

01:10:35.000 People are worried about toxins getting into their food, getting in their body and cancer.

01:10:41.000 I mean, I understand that fear partially because I went through it quite a bit.

01:10:45.000 Like when I got sick a few years ago, like my first symptom wasn't celiac disease.

01:10:49.000 It wasn't my joints popping out.

01:10:51.000 I got the worst headache of my life one day and it never went away.

01:10:54.000 Like, that'll make you scared to death of everything around you.

01:10:58.000 Like, I went organic.

01:10:59.000 I went vegan.

01:11:01.000 I'd cut everything out of my diet because I was scared that, you know, like, you feel like you're getting stabbed in the eye constantly.

01:11:08.000 You're going to cut everything out of your diet.

01:11:10.000 And this happened all at once for you?

01:11:12.000 One day, worse, and I was working, and at the time I wasn't working in the pesticide lab, yet I was working in a drug analysis lab.

01:11:18.000 And you were worried that that was...

01:11:20.000 What was going on?

01:11:21.000 Did you absorb some of it or something?

01:11:23.000 Well, the thing that I was worried, because at the time, there was much more salad than there is here today.

01:11:30.000 There was much more of me than there is here today.

01:11:34.000 I'm 5'9", and I, at the time, weighed almost 250 pounds.

01:11:37.000 I needed to lose a little of me, but it was like, all right, I'm eating shitty food.

01:11:41.000 I should probably try eating healthier.

01:11:43.000 But I mean, never mind just more salads.

01:11:45.000 I went organic.

01:11:46.000 I just cut everything out of my diet.

01:11:48.000 So there was a bunch of issues.

01:11:50.000 It wasn't...

01:11:51.000 Dietary as well as...

01:11:52.000 I mean, yeah, like I cut a lot of things out, started working out everything, but you know what?

01:11:57.000 I still needed medication because it turned out there was just a...

01:12:01.000 It was just...

01:12:02.000 I had...

01:12:02.000 And we figured out the headache was linked into the Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, and there are some...

01:12:07.000 To clarify everything, some people, when they have one autoimmune, they can tend to cluster.

01:12:11.000 I was lucky caller one million, but that was the thing with it.

01:12:16.000 But I looked into this, and I fell for all of it.

01:12:20.000 So all of the pesticides are killing you.

01:12:23.000 It's the toxins.

01:12:24.000 So I understand the fear of the people who were like, I need to cut toxins out of my diet.

01:12:29.000 Is there any foundation in truth?

01:12:33.000 No.

01:12:33.000 Nothing?

01:12:34.000 Like, pesticides are not bad for you?

01:12:36.000 Well, no.

01:12:36.000 Here's the thing.

01:12:37.000 There is a little bit of truth that sells the lie, is what I will give this.

01:12:42.000 Because, you know, I used to work with bulk quantities of pesticides at my last lab, and that was kind of what sealed the deal for me, that these, when they're in your food, are not going to hurt you.

01:12:52.000 Because the amount of testing we had to go through and the amount of regulation, I think regulation in this case is a good thing, because it will stop a bad pesticide from making it to market.

01:13:01.000 And I want that regulation there.

01:13:03.000 Because I eat the food too.

01:13:05.000 I don't want anyone's child to ever get hurt from something that me or another, like I don't work there anymore, but you know, that I had any work in getting on the market.

01:13:15.000 I don't ever want that to be the case.

01:13:17.000 Of course.

01:13:18.000 But once upon a time, the pesticides we had on the market were much less targeted to hurting the weeds and could hurt people too, like arsenicals.

01:13:26.000 Sulfuric acid, those were early pesticides.

01:13:29.000 Paris green, totally toxic, especially to the farmers and even to the farm equipment.

01:13:34.000 The stuff we have now, far less toxic.

01:13:37.000 When you say far less, though, is it toxic?

01:13:41.000 I'm going to qualify this answer.

01:13:43.000 I'm not qualifying it to back off from it, but everything is toxic in some doses.

01:13:48.000 Like water.

01:13:48.000 You drink too much water, it'll kill you.

01:13:50.000 But, I mean, so Roundup is one that people are really scared of, and it's one that a lot of people know about.

01:13:54.000 There is a great graph on this showing how less toxic it is than the pesticides it replaced.

01:14:02.000 Because we didn't go from using no pesticide to using Roundup.

01:14:05.000 And I know someone's going to correct me saying it's an herbicide, but herbicide is...

01:14:09.000 Pesticide's a blanket term for all things that kill stuff in farming.

01:14:14.000 So before...

01:14:17.000 Before Roundup, I believe the one we used was cyanosine.

01:14:20.000 I could be wrong on this.

01:14:21.000 But the one we used before Roundup was, in terms of the LD50, the lethal dose for about 50% of the population, it was 10 times higher than Roundup.

01:14:30.000 And now we barely sell any of it.

01:14:33.000 Right, but is the issue just lethal dose, or is the issue...

01:14:37.000 Having some sort of toxicity that affects your body, creates cancer.

01:14:41.000 Right.

01:14:41.000 And I understand that's a question that people keep coming back to.

01:14:45.000 And part of the reason that people are suspicious of it is because of its use with the GMO. And these things go through...

01:14:52.000 Hundreds of tests and years of testing.

01:14:54.000 And because of the suspicion with Roundup, it's gone through continual testing.

01:14:58.000 Like, they've tested to see if it accumulates in breast milk.

01:15:01.000 It does not.

01:15:02.000 They've tested to see if it causes cancer.

01:15:04.000 Doesn't seem to.

01:15:06.000 And they've tried.

01:15:07.000 They've used it at higher doses.

01:15:09.000 But they've done it with mice and rats, right?

01:15:11.000 They've tested in humans, and it's been on the market for 30 years.

01:15:14.000 How do you test it in humans?

01:15:15.000 Hey dude, I'm going to see if I can give you cancer.

01:15:17.000 But I mean, it's been in the population, or it's been used now for, I believe, 25 years, and there doesn't seem to be...

01:15:23.000 The only apparent increase in cancer is because we're living longer now.

01:15:28.000 And when you have any population that lives longer, you have increased incidence of cancer.

01:15:32.000 We're not dying from polio anymore, so we're dying from something.

01:15:36.000 Unfortunately, we're not going to live forever.

01:15:38.000 Yeah.

01:15:39.000 But this toxicity issue when it comes to Roundup or when it comes to any sort of pesticide, when you're talking about herbicides, herbicides are what kills the plants, right?

01:15:52.000 Kills weeds.

01:15:53.000 Pesticides kills bugs, right?

01:15:55.000 Pesticides are, it's the blanket term, insecticide kills bugs.

01:15:58.000 Okay.

01:15:59.000 So pesticides, the whole...

01:16:01.000 Blanket term, yeah.

01:16:01.000 Yeah, okay.

01:16:02.000 So what's the most controversial?

01:16:05.000 Is it Roundup or...

01:16:06.000 Roundup is controversial, and I think the reason that it became controversial is because people heard, all right, you have to genetically modify the plant so that the Roundup doesn't kill the plant, and it's this whole thing just to make money for Monsanto, and how dare you make money!

01:16:20.000 And I think that was why people got...

01:16:27.000 It's a newer technology and it kind of made people a little aware of farming for the first time.

01:16:36.000 I go to farming conferences a lot of times to talk about how to communicate agriculture and I'll sit down and ask farmers, What do you plant?

01:16:45.000 Why are you planting it?

01:16:46.000 What do you think of GMOs?

01:16:47.000 Do you use Roundup?

01:16:49.000 And do you buy from people other than...

01:16:50.000 Do you buy from Monsanto?

01:16:52.000 And do you buy from people other than Monsanto?

01:16:54.000 And that handful of questions will tell me...

01:16:57.000 I mean, I wish I had more videos of this, but there's a video at some point on my site with two farmers who buy from Monsanto and buy from other companies.

01:17:07.000 And one of the reasons I ask that is because there's a rumor on the internet that if you buy from Monsanto, you can only buy from Monsanto.

01:17:13.000 Just not true.

01:17:16.000 That every genetically modified crop is made to be Roundup ready.

01:17:22.000 Again, not true.

01:17:24.000 That people are dying of cancer from just being a Roundup.

01:17:31.000 And recently they found that one of the reports that went through the IARC, the The place that declares things cancerous on their group 12A2B cancer classifications, one of the reports was falsified that declared Roundup cancerous.

01:17:52.000 Falsified by who?

01:17:54.000 I have to hunt down this report, but the person who was trying to say Roundup is cancerous.

01:17:59.000 Why would they do that?

01:18:00.000 Because of a little bit of suspicion around it, because it's been, people have kicked around that it's causing cancer or, you know, that your spleen to turn radioactive for, you know, forever.

01:18:10.000 And it's...

01:18:10.000 So is this like a chemtrails type thing?

01:18:12.000 A little bit.

01:18:13.000 Where it just becomes one of the things that people talk about in terms of conspiracy theories and...

01:18:18.000 It gets put into the public sphere so much that people start to believe it.

01:18:21.000 And here's the thing, if I saw firm evidence that Roundup had caused issues, I would say right away, just get rid of it, take it off the market.

01:18:29.000 And I keep on not seeing firm evidence of it.

01:18:32.000 There was a study, there's this group, Moms Across America, and I always get my scientific information from mom groups on the internet.

01:18:42.000 But this group decided to do a breast milk study to see if Roundup accumulated in breast milk.

01:18:47.000 And the way the study was done was they just had women indiscriminately send in containers of breast milk to them, and they declared the amount of Roundup to be ridiculously high in the breast milk.

01:19:02.000 And I'm like, do they just tell women to spray pump bottles of I've wound up into these containers and then test it. 1.00

01:19:10.000 But it turned out, and this is just from knowing how analytical techniques work, like I used to design the techniques by which we extracted, you know, target pesticides from a matrix and, you know, analyze them on our big overpriced machinery.

01:19:23.000 But a woman who is a breast milk researcher out of the University of Washington was like, this doesn't seem right. 0.99

01:19:31.000 So she designed An experiment to test if Roundup was accumulating in breast milk, and she had it verified by an independent lab.

01:19:40.000 And they tested women specifically who worked in agriculture, and she had their breast milk tested specifically on days where they were spraying Roundup, and there was nothing found.

01:19:50.000 Yeah, but that's someone who's not necessarily eating the food.

01:19:52.000 That's someone who's working with the food, or working with Roundup, right?

01:19:55.000 And you would expect that if it was being sprayed...

01:19:58.000 Well, think about it this way.

01:19:59.000 But isn't that the issue, though?

01:20:00.000 Not to interrupt you, but the issue is people eating it.

01:20:03.000 Well, think about it this way.

01:20:04.000 If it's in the food supply, wouldn't they be eating it as well?

01:20:07.000 I don't know.

01:20:08.000 I don't know what their diet is.

01:20:09.000 If you're getting it from people's breast milk, and those people say, there's Roundup in my breast milk, and I've been eating genetically modified crops.

01:20:17.000 Well, the other question is, if these are the people that are following Moms Across America, and their whole thing is that Roundup is the devil...

01:20:24.000 So you think that they're falsifying evidence?

01:20:26.000 I think that it was not a well-controlled experiment, and it would be interesting to see how the experiment would come out if the person who runs Moms Across America, Zen Honeycutt, would...

01:20:41.000 How it would look if Zen were to look in on every step of the process with Dr. Shelley McGuire to see that these people ate food that should have been sprayed with Roundup and worked in the field, and then at the end to see if their breast milk came out with nothing in it.

01:20:59.000 Don't you think that...

01:21:03.000 There'd be more likely to be some sort of conspiratorial collusion with people that actually work in farms that use Roundup rather than someone who's just checking their breast milk.

01:21:15.000 Wouldn't you think that if someone's trying to prove that Roundup isn't showing up in breast milk and you've got a bunch of people that they're living relies on using Roundup, Well, the farm workers themselves, they'd want to be safe, right?

01:21:27.000 Maybe.

01:21:27.000 And I say that as someone who's worked at a pesticide company, and when I worked there, I mean, I was just an analytical chemist.

01:21:33.000 I'm not someone who had any investment in keeping that company safe from being yelled at.

01:21:38.000 I wanted to be safe from the stuff I was working with.

01:21:41.000 Right, but I found it weird that you feel like there's some sort of conspiracy with these moms that are checking their breast milk, but you don't think there might possibly be some shenanigans involved in the people that actually need Roundup to make a living.

01:21:53.000 No, I understand what you're saying, for sure.

01:21:55.000 But part of the reason why I think that Dr. Maguire would have conducted a better study was, number one, independently verified.

01:22:04.000 Number two, knows how to do specimen collection evidence.

01:22:10.000 And number three, monitored and independently verified from an outside lab.

01:22:15.000 So it's like we don't have...

01:22:16.000 And when Moms Across America was asked to show their data and how they collected the samples, they didn't give...

01:22:25.000 They weren't willing to share all of their data on how specimen collection was...

01:22:32.000 Why not?

01:22:33.000 What was their excuse for not sharing?

01:22:35.000 I don't recall off the top of my head, but it seems suspicious to me that they weren't willing to disclose that.

01:22:41.000 That's very suspicious.

01:22:42.000 When you do an experiment, everything...

01:22:44.000 I used to work under GLP standards, which basically you throw out a glove, you have to write it down.

01:22:50.000 That's part of the standards on how you get a chemical into use in agriculture.

01:22:56.000 You really have to be careful and forthcoming on how you do your work.

01:23:02.000 Was the amount of pesticides that they found in breast milk uniform?

01:23:06.000 I think they were only testing for Roundup, and they didn't find there to be even trace amounts, which I was kind of surprised at.

01:23:16.000 I would have expected something.

01:23:18.000 I mean, the Moms Across America stuff.

01:23:20.000 They found a lot.

01:23:21.000 Yeah, but was it uniform?

01:23:22.000 No.

01:23:22.000 Did everybody have a similar amount?

01:23:23.000 No, they found the amounts varied, and they were so high.

01:23:28.000 Almost like somebody dripped some in there.

01:23:29.000 Yeah, it was suspicious, and that's why I was like, that was why I didn't buy it.

01:23:34.000 The other thing is they used a technique, an analytical technique that was used for water, and that's why I'm like, this is not, like, not all techniques work for all chemical matrices.

01:23:45.000 So that That's another reason why a different lab was probably better equipped to handle it, one specifically that analyzes breast milk. 0.88

01:23:55.000 The other thing is you know that the other lab kind of had a bias going in because their whole thing is how Roundup is bad.

01:24:03.000 So a lab that's like, I just want to know if moms are being harmed, if there's something in the breast milk, that seems like a lab that went in Just wanting to know.

01:24:13.000 The other lab went in saying, I hate Roundup.

01:24:16.000 So if Roundup had been found in the test that Dr. Maguire's lab had done, I would have happily accepted those results because it almost wouldn't...

01:24:28.000 It would have surprised me, not in the least, if it had been found.

01:24:32.000 But I was kind of glad that there was nothing there because it means that, you know, babies aren't getting a concentrated dose of this.

01:24:39.000 Just because, you know, you don't want, you know, extraneous chemicals going into the food supply.

01:24:43.000 So were they only testing people that worked in these farms?

01:24:46.000 Was that the idea with the second test?

01:24:48.000 I think they did.

01:24:49.000 I don't remember off the top of my head, but I know one of the groups they did test were women on testing days. 0.96

01:24:54.000 But think about it this way.

01:24:55.000 They're not just spraying it.

01:24:56.000 They're also possibly eating food that's had it on there.

01:25:00.000 Yeah, but that's possibly.

01:25:01.000 I would be more interested in seeing it 100% sure that these people were eating food that had been sprayed with Roundup.

01:25:08.000 And that doesn't make sense to me that they didn't do that.

01:25:12.000 I want to have a look at the study again myself just to be sure of what the conditions were before it.

01:25:18.000 I'm curious about both tests.

01:25:20.000 Have a look.

01:25:22.000 We can have a quick peek after it for Dr. Shelley McGuire breast milk roundup study.

01:25:28.000 Yeah, the whole thing seems a little weird to me.

01:25:30.000 It's weird that one group tests high, one group tests not at all.

01:25:36.000 It is, I'm going to say, it is easy to screw up a study using, if you're not sure the parameters you're supposed to use in an analytical, in a chemical analysis thing, because you can have interfering species that come up with the same peaks at the same time.

01:25:55.000 So the other thing is, like I said, the biggest thing is we don't know the collection parameters for the one that Mom Across America did.

01:26:03.000 Right, and they won't tell us.

01:26:04.000 Yeah, I mean, the other thing is Dr. McGuire was doing it through a university, and she could have been in a lot of trouble if she'd falsified data or done a test that was purposefully misleading.

01:26:17.000 Right.

01:26:18.000 What are the pesticides?

01:26:20.000 Did you Google the pesticides that are acceptable?

01:26:22.000 Yeah, there's a...

01:26:23.000 You put them up?

01:26:24.000 There's a long list somewhere, but I had it somewhere.

01:26:31.000 It's on the USDA.gov website.

01:26:35.000 It's like the standards of what they use to put stuff on and off of it.

01:26:38.000 Okay.

01:26:39.000 And there are organic standards that allow some substances, but they're mostly trying to get out synthetic substances.

01:26:46.000 However, there are also some synthetic substances that are allowed too.

01:26:50.000 Interesting.

01:26:51.000 And this is to label something organic.

01:26:53.000 Right.

01:26:54.000 And then there's a board that votes on it from time to time if somebody wants to bring something up and disagree that it shouldn't be on that list.

01:27:00.000 Isn't that weird, though?

01:27:01.000 I mean, most people think, you say organic, most people think there's no pesticides.

01:27:05.000 Most people think you're just growing plants.

01:27:07.000 Yep.

01:27:08.000 And that's, it's, and I mean, they, they sell that so well, don't they?

01:27:13.000 Yeah.

01:27:14.000 It's, it's infuriating.

01:27:15.000 For instance, feromones.

01:27:16.000 Feromones.

01:27:18.000 Feromones.

01:27:19.000 Oh, ferromones, not feromones.

01:27:21.000 Feromones have long been used as effective non-toxic ways to confuse insects.

01:27:27.000 What?

01:27:28.000 That might otherwise infest organic crops, especially fruit.

01:27:31.000 So they put some certain smells to freak bugs out.

01:27:36.000 Likewise, vaccines for animals are important disease prevention tools against many infectious diseases, blah blah blah, especially since antibiotic therapy is prohibited in livestock.

01:27:46.000 I'm picturing an anti-vaxxer staying away from organic produce because they vaccinated it against bees.

01:27:52.000 Well, you could always grow your own food, folks, you know, and not put anything on it.

01:27:56.000 But I think large-scale domestic agriculture, if you're talking about these gigantic fields, nothing could be less natural.

01:28:03.000 It's not normal to have a thousand acres of corn.

01:28:06.000 It just doesn't exist in the wild.

01:28:08.000 And when you do that, you're going to run into a lot of problems.

01:28:10.000 I always go back to the argument of nothing we're doing is natural anyway.

01:28:14.000 We're sitting in an air-conditioned studio in California that we'd probably be dead with a lot of the things that we don't have.

01:28:23.000 How about food?

01:28:24.000 There's no food around here.

01:28:25.000 Where are you growing food?

01:28:27.000 No one's growing food anywhere near us.

01:28:29.000 There's nothing that we enjoy that's natural anymore.

01:28:32.000 Ice cream's not natural. 0.98

01:28:34.000 And it's goddamn delicious. 0.99

01:28:35.000 You gotta get a freezer. 0.99

01:28:36.000 How do you get a freezer?

01:28:39.000 I'm like, you want natural bear attacks, asteroids, those little sticker things that come out of trees, those are all natural.

01:28:46.000 I thought you were gonna say stickers like goop stickers.

01:28:50.000 Those goops. 0.97

01:28:51.000 Jesus made those himself.

01:28:54.000 What's up, Jeremy?

01:28:54.000 I found something on the company that made those stickers.

01:28:56.000 I was going to bring this up a second ago.

01:28:58.000 I went to their website and they have this thing called a Digestive Solution Energy Card. 0.99

01:29:04.000 Oh, Jesus fucking Christ, Gwyneth Paltrow. 0.99

01:29:08.000 Digestive Solution Energy Card. 1.00

01:29:10.000 What in the fuck is this? 0.99

01:29:12.000 Now! 1.00

01:29:13.000 Look at this.

01:29:14.000 You can now, in all caps, bold letters, boost your body energy signature, all bold, by simply placing this Digestive Solution TM Energy Card under your food plate. 1.00

01:29:28.000 Holy fuck! 0.99

01:29:30.000 And the beverage of your choice and receive energy from the card instantly. 1.00

01:29:34.000 You motherfuckers! 0.99

01:29:36.000 The energy card has a magnetic strip embedded in the back that holds digitally enhanced information that once your food or beverage comes in contact with it, the energy is delivered immediately to the food and beverage, thereby boosting the energy to your food to maximize the nutrition you consume. 1.00

01:29:54.000 You fucking criminals should be in jail. 1.00

01:29:57.000 You guys are monsters. 1.00

01:29:59.000 Gwyneth Paltrow just broke my brain. 1.00

01:30:01.000 Look at this shit! 1.00

01:30:02.000 The digestive energy card. 1.00

01:30:04.000 Digestive Solution Energy Card is an energetically enhanced product.

01:30:08.000 What? 1.00

01:30:09.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:30:10.000 Hold on a second. 1.00

01:30:11.000 Look at that sentence.

01:30:13.000 The Digestive Solution Energy Card is an energetically enhanced product. 1.00

01:30:19.000 That's shit English. 0.97

01:30:21.000 Our engineers have achieved the correct ratio response of frequency signatures through a technology that matches the same energy you receive from the nutrients you get from the food you eat and drink. 0.98

01:30:34.000 You know this guy's wearing toe shoes when he wrote this, right?

01:30:37.000 We consume food.

01:30:38.000 It converts into chemical energy, which provides the nutritional needs for energy and growth.

01:30:43.000 This connection is defined by the laws of thermodynamics that requires all humans to burn food for energy. 1.00

01:30:51.000 You guys are fucking cunts. 1.00

01:30:53.000 What is the name of this company? 1.00

01:30:55.000 This is Alpha Biocentrics. 0.92

01:30:58.000 Cunts are warm, lovely places. 1.00

01:31:00.000 These people are assholes. 1.00

01:31:01.000 That's a vagina. 1.00

01:31:02.000 It's a totally different thing. 0.99

01:31:05.000 Suggested retail price, $79.

01:31:07.000 Oh my god, the card is guaranteed for two years?

01:31:09.000 It looks like a credit card for anybody that's just listening.

01:31:12.000 It is a credit card. 1.00

01:31:13.000 I mean, it's 100% bullshit. 1.00

01:31:14.000 Like a hotel room key, basically. 1.00

01:31:16.000 Goddamn, how the fuck does someone get away with this? 1.00

01:31:18.000 This is horrible. 1.00

01:31:20.000 I have no good words for this.

01:31:22.000 Can you just imagine the idea that you could put a card under your food and it makes your food better?

01:31:27.000 I'm trying to figure it out because they're saying it energetically enhances it.

01:31:30.000 Does this mean it adds calories to it?

01:31:34.000 That's nutrients.

01:31:35.000 Nutrients. 0.98

01:31:36.000 Whatever the fuck that is. 0.98

01:31:37.000 Laws of thermodynamics. 0.99

01:31:39.000 They keep using these words.

01:31:40.000 I don't think they know what they mean.

01:31:42.000 Yeah, well, there's a lot of people that like to use those science-y words, right?

01:31:46.000 It's like chiropractors.

01:31:48.000 Yeah, subluxation.

01:31:50.000 They always say that.

01:31:51.000 I remember them saying that all the time, too.

01:31:53.000 One doctor adjusted me five minutes, right?

01:31:55.000 140 bucks.

01:31:56.000 Then he goes, make sure you drink a lot of water.

01:31:58.000 I'm like, why? 1.00

01:31:58.000 To wash the fucking taste out of my mouth? 1.00

01:32:01.000 You asshole. 1.00

01:32:02.000 You didn't do anything. 1.00

01:32:03.000 This is crazy. 1.00

01:32:04.000 Wash the bullshit down. 1.00

01:32:05.000 Yeah, wash the bullshit. 1.00

01:32:07.000 Goes better with- Now, what has the response been? 1.00

01:32:10.000 I mean, you must have gotten a lot of hate.

01:32:12.000 A lot of swearing.

01:32:13.000 Oh God, Twitter- A lot of hate.

01:32:14.000 Twitter was an angry- I'm still getting angry tweets.

01:32:17.000 From people that use it, or from chiropractors themselves? 0.54

01:32:22.000 Some chiropractors and a lot of people who love chiropractic and are mad at me, because I think people think I'm calling them stupid for using chiropractic, but I'm like, no, you got... 0.98

01:32:33.000 It's not stupid. 0.98

01:32:35.000 They got me, too. 0.71

01:32:36.000 They got a lot of us. 0.98

01:32:37.000 And I mean, it's like I would basically be calling half my fan base stupid if if that were the case. 0.98

01:32:43.000 And I'm not. 0.80

01:32:43.000 And I felt kind of bad because a good friend of mine, like she like after she gave birth, she had like a severe enough injury that she could barely walk and a chiropractor. 0.80

01:32:52.000 Basically from massaging the area, got her up and walking. 0.99

01:32:56.000 And the thing she said to me was, I'm tired of being called a lemming moron. 0.96

01:33:01.000 I'm like, number one, I never insulted people who used chiropractic. 0.94

01:33:04.000 And number two, I definitely didn't use those two words. 0.84

01:33:07.000 And I think people got the impression that I was calling everyone who used chiropractors dumb.

01:33:12.000 And it's like, that's never the point of my writing. 0.99

01:33:15.000 It's like, you're not the moron for falling for this. 1.00

01:33:18.000 They're the assholes for selling it to you. 1.00

01:33:21.000 I don't even know if a lot of them are assholes because I don't know if a lot of them have even looked into this. 1.00

01:33:26.000 You know, I've talked to some chiropractors about this stuff that's been going on over the last couple weeks since your article and since I did my podcast since we've talked about it several times. 0.97

01:33:35.000 I just don't think they understand the origins of this.

01:33:38.000 Or that the stuff they're selling isn't considered scientifically valid.

01:33:42.000 Right.

01:33:42.000 If you're a kid and you're getting out of high school and you're going into college and you want to get involved in something therapeutic and chiropractic medicine seems like a good thing and you start going to chiropractic school, you might not even know.

01:33:55.000 And I really do sympathize with a lot of chiropractors who are out there that have emailed me like, hey man, what you're saying could potentially destroy my business.

01:34:06.000 I understand and I sympathize, but you've got to understand that if I knew about this and I didn't talk about it, that would be more horrible. 0.56

01:34:16.000 I have a responsibility if I find something out like this, like the guy who invented it is a fucking quack and a magnetic healer and you're not really going to medical school, there's a responsibility that you have to say something about that. 0.58

01:34:29.000 And I just think people are thinking about themselves. 0.96

01:34:32.000 They're thinking about, you know, Hey, I've got bills, and hey, I've got this, and I've got a practice, and I've got this.

01:34:37.000 Find another job.

01:34:38.000 Yeah, I don't want to be the guy that tells you what to do, but you can't get upset at someone saying something that's...

01:34:46.000 If I made up the fact that chiropractic medicine was founded by a magnetic healer, and a quack, well, by the way, he was killed by his own son. 0.98

01:34:52.000 Do you know the story behind that?

01:34:54.000 Somehow I missed that.

01:34:55.000 He was run over by his son. 1.00

01:34:56.000 His son ran him over with a fucking car and they think he might have done it on purpose. 1.00

01:35:00.000 The son apparently was a fucking huge fraud and the son went on to be the one who promoted chiropractic medicine. 1.00

01:35:06.000 It was really promoted by the son. 0.98

01:35:09.000 Yeah, it's in the Wikipedia.

01:35:10.000 Pull up the Wikipedia on chiropractic controversies.

01:35:15.000 There's a real theory that the son murdered the dad.

01:35:21.000 The son murdered the dad to take over the business and then he's the one who pushed chiropractic medicine.

01:35:26.000 I think we had to cut it off at some point because the article was 4,000 words.

01:35:29.000 Yeah, I'm sure, right?

01:35:30.000 Here we go.

01:35:31.000 What do you got here, Jamie?

01:35:33.000 Wikipedia.

01:35:34.000 This is death.

01:35:34.000 It says there's a book about it.

01:35:36.000 Okay, a homecoming parade.

01:35:38.000 That's hilarious.

01:35:40.000 Injuries by his son.

01:35:41.000 Wow. 0.99

01:35:41.000 Yeah, he fucking ran him over. 0.99

01:35:43.000 His son ran him over. 1.00

01:35:44.000 Jesus.

01:35:45.000 Attempted patricide.

01:35:47.000 Yeah.

01:35:48.000 Whew.

01:35:49.000 That's fun.

01:35:51.000 There was speculation that it was an accident.

01:35:55.000 But instead, a case of attempted patricide.

01:36:00.000 But that it was not an accident.

01:36:02.000 No one knows.

01:36:03.000 So who knows? 0.98

01:36:04.000 I mean, you're talking about some shit that went down in the 1800s. 0.97

01:36:06.000 Or actually 1913, I guess, huh? 0.97

01:36:09.000 So 1913, B.J. Palmer ran over his dad, D.D. Palmer.

01:36:15.000 Didi. 1.00

01:36:16.000 Yeah, and that guy is filled with fucking problems, too. 1.00

01:36:20.000 If you look into him, the son, apparently the son was a massive fraud. 1.00

01:36:24.000 So, in a sense, chiropractic medicine was founded by a quack and promoted by a fraud who might have murdered his dad. 0.89

01:36:30.000 Oh, well, you know. 0.99

01:36:31.000 And how the fuck does it get so far? 0.98

01:36:34.000 That's the most stunning thing about it. 0.98

01:36:37.000 It's a thing where it took root before, like I said, before real medicine was starting, and it just kept going.

01:36:45.000 While medicine was making attempts at other things, and some of them failed and some of them stayed, think about it.

01:36:51.000 Around that time was when Bayer was like, we have a new miracle cure!

01:36:56.000 Heroin! 1.00

01:36:57.000 Right, there was a lot of shit going on. 1.00

01:37:00.000 Cocaine was in Coca-Cola. 1.00

01:37:01.000 They were trying at real things and failing, but at least they were trying.

01:37:06.000 These guys were like, hey, we had a seance. 1.00

01:37:08.000 Check this motherfucker out. 1.00

01:37:10.000 And that didn't work so well. 0.99

01:37:12.000 Without the internet, On the internet, people would not have had this information.

01:37:15.000 When I first started going to chiropractors, it was probably 20 years ago.

01:37:18.000 No one had this information.

01:37:19.000 It wasn't available.

01:37:21.000 No one knew.

01:37:22.000 You just thought, oh, he's a doctor.

01:37:24.000 It says doctor of chiropractic.

01:37:26.000 Oh, he's a guy who studied chiropractic medicine.

01:37:28.000 And I love that so many of them just say doctor and you have to dig through their website for where it eventually says chiropractor. 0.96

01:37:34.000 How can you fucking call yourself a doctor if you don't go to medical school? 0.93

01:37:37.000 Shouldn't there be some sort of a national standard? 0.98

01:37:40.000 It's funny because a lot of them, I don't know if this should bug me or not, because you'll see doctor somewhere, and the MDs will say MD really carefully, or pediatrician, although they'll be very careful to say what type of doctor they are.

01:37:53.000 Now I'm very leery if I just see doctor, because I'm like, what breed of doctor are they?

01:37:59.000 Do they have a PhD?

01:38:01.000 Are they a chiropractor? 1.00

01:38:03.000 If I see doctor and then I see some bullshit on their page, I'm like... 0.99

01:38:06.000 What type of doctor are they? 0.99

01:38:07.000 Because everyone wants you to think, or I think people just want you to think that they're a medical doctor. 0.98

01:38:13.000 And that title has a lot of weight, so people will take shit advice if they see DR period in front of the name. 0.96

01:38:20.000 Bill Cosby was a doctor for a while until they took it back. 0.97

01:38:22.000 Apparently people were taking some drugs from him.

01:38:25.000 They just didn't know it.

01:38:26.000 They gave him an honorary doctorate.

01:38:28.000 Doctorates are also weird, right?

01:38:30.000 Because if you get a doctorate, you can be called a doctor.

01:38:32.000 It could be Dr. Cosby.

01:38:34.000 But you don't have to have...

01:38:35.000 We need a new word for that. 0.99

01:38:38.000 Someone who's got a doctorate shouldn't be a fucking doctor. 0.99

01:38:41.000 And it's like, I go back and forth on that one because I have friends who, you know, have their PhDs. 0.99

01:38:45.000 And like, you know, you kind of, you call them doctor.

01:38:48.000 And then like when, I think, I feel like when they email people generally in the signature line, it's, you know, it's, you know, Joe Schmoe, PhD.

01:38:55.000 Like they're careful.

01:38:55.000 Well, that makes sense.

01:38:56.000 Yeah, it's like they sign things PhD in general just to not be a dick about it. 0.95

01:39:00.000 Right.

01:39:00.000 But it's like, I feel like putting doctor blank when you're a PhD, it's like, I feel like it can cause some confusion.

01:39:08.000 Like Dr. Laura?

01:39:09.000 What was the deal with Dr. Laura?

01:39:10.000 Is she a doctor?

01:39:12.000 Was it Dr. Phil?

01:39:13.000 No, Dr. Phil's a doctor.

01:39:14.000 He's not a psychologist, right?

01:39:15.000 I don't remember which one he was off the top of my head.

01:39:17.000 I feel like there was a doctorate in there somewhere or a PhD or something.

01:39:21.000 But there's so many of them that just don't have what they say.

01:39:23.000 It's funny because, what's his face?

01:39:24.000 Dr. Oz, really good cardiothoracic surgeon.

01:39:28.000 Bullshitter on TV, though.

01:39:29.000 Oh, he's so scary.

01:39:30.000 That guy's selling miracle cures for weight loss. 1.00

01:39:32.000 It's funny because since Congress told him, cut the shit, he's been... 1.00

01:39:36.000 Fucking Congress. 1.00

01:39:37.000 Imagine that. 1.00

01:39:38.000 But he's still on TV. He's been less full of shit... 1.00

01:39:40.000 But still a little bullshit. 1.00

01:39:42.000 But how does that work? 0.99

01:39:43.000 How do you fill a 45-minute TV show with complete, like, you know, just peer-reviewed science every day?

01:39:48.000 It's hard. 0.90

01:39:49.000 It's like, so you start bullshitting. 0.84

01:39:51.000 Yeah, but way more than that. 1.00

01:39:53.000 That's like shilling for bullshit. 1.00

01:39:55.000 Like, he's selling miracle cure. 1.00

01:39:57.000 Which is so fun.

01:39:57.000 And it's like the disappointing thing is like he was, I mean, when I say good, he was an amazingly good cardiothoracic surgeon.

01:40:05.000 And that's what's disappointing about this is he used that credibility of being such a good doctor to be such a big asshole. 0.99

01:40:13.000 It's like, why? 1.00

01:40:14.000 Why would you do that to people?

01:40:16.000 We wanted better from you.

01:40:18.000 Just don't do that.

01:40:19.000 Ben Carson, the guy who's like a serious neurosurgeon, right?

01:40:23.000 Yeah!

01:40:24.000 Didn't he think the Earth's 10,000 years old? 1.00

01:40:26.000 He thinks there's grain in the fucking pyramids. 1.00

01:40:28.000 Grain? 1.00

01:40:29.000 Grain.

01:40:29.000 He was like, there's grain in the pyramids.

01:40:31.000 Maybe he's right.

01:40:33.000 I haven't been.

01:40:34.000 That's not so shocking to me that someone would leave some grain behind.

01:40:38.000 I mean, it's like filled with grain?

01:40:42.000 Is that what he thinks?

01:40:42.000 I think he thought they were silos.

01:40:43.000 They were ancient silos.

01:40:45.000 He doesn't mean that there's like an occasional vase full of grain.

01:40:49.000 He means like they were silos and that's not accurate.

01:40:52.000 I think he was a young earther.

01:40:55.000 That might be?

01:40:56.000 I haven't looked too much into him.

01:40:58.000 I might have made that up.

01:40:59.000 But I mean, nothing would surprise me with some of these people.

01:41:03.000 There are a lot of people who are extremely smart, but they close off just giant sections of their reasoning and understanding.

01:41:08.000 It's hard to find people that are 100%, you know...

01:41:12.000 Very skeptical and very, you know, or critical thinkers and want to be critical thinkers in every field of their life. 0.99

01:41:19.000 Like, look, I'll be really good and really critical thinking about this, but motherfucker, I have this belief and you can't touch it. 0.92

01:41:26.000 And like, that seems to be the case with a lot of people. 0.98

01:41:28.000 I'm like, I just want evidence about things.

01:41:30.000 Show me evidence.

01:41:31.000 And the big thing is show me where the balance of evidence is.

01:41:34.000 Like, if you give me two articles that say this and then 10,000 that say this, I'm like, I'm over here.

01:41:39.000 I'm going there.

01:41:40.000 And I think that's kind of a solid way to evaluate evidence.

01:41:45.000 Like, if you've got a lot of them that say this and they seem solid and backed by people who know what they're talking about, it just seems to be a good way to evaluate how you're going to...

01:41:59.000 Choose your opinions on something.

01:42:00.000 Yeah, I mean, it seems like you just really have to do a lot of research before you form any opinion on anything.

01:42:05.000 Well, that's one of the reasons why I don't blame people when they don't get it right, right away.

01:42:10.000 Because do, and this is something I'll do at some of my talks, I'll say, you know, take out your phones and Google a term that you're not sure about in health or nutrition.

01:42:19.000 Google GMOs, Google sugar, Google, you know, whatever.

01:42:22.000 And, you know, tell me what the top 10 search results say. 0.96

01:42:25.000 And, you know, Sometimes, especially with GMOs, for a long time, the top 8 out of 10 search results were like, wow, this is going to make your dick fall off. 0.89

01:42:34.000 And now it's changed a little bit because there's been a huge effort by science writers to get out the word, this isn't going to kill you. 0.90

01:42:42.000 But for a while, how...

01:42:45.000 So many of the top search results said they were horrible.

01:42:48.000 How hard should just a soccer mom in Iowa have to hunt to figure out if this is going to kill her kids? 1.00

01:42:54.000 That's why I really don't blame people when they get it wrong at first. 0.94

01:42:57.000 Because there's so much bad information out there that it's easy to get the impression that, like I said, the 10,000 articles say it's bad when it's really just screaming assholes repeating the one article that says it's bad.

01:43:11.000 Well, if you just Google chiropractic medicine, you're not going to get a lot of fraud articles. 0.97

01:43:16.000 If you Google chiropractic is bullshit, you get your article, and then you go down a rabbit hole. 0.92

01:43:21.000 And, you know, if you Google chiropractic fraud, you'll find plenty of stuff on it. 0.99

01:43:25.000 And then the history of chiropractic medicine is where it really unravels.

01:43:30.000 And it's hard to...

01:43:31.000 It's like when someone just wants to know what's going to fix my back, like that's not where they start.

01:43:36.000 Right.

01:43:36.000 And that's the hard part.

01:43:37.000 Well, it's a problem. 0.99

01:43:38.000 I mean, back problems are fucking horrible. 0.97

01:43:40.000 I mean, that is a part of the problem is like people get desperate. 0.99

01:43:44.000 They do not know what to do. 0.92

01:43:46.000 Just like when you were saying you were getting those horrible headaches and you're like, I'll fucking try anything. 0.92

01:43:50.000 Yeah. 0.84

01:43:50.000 I'm going to go vegan. 0.84

01:43:51.000 I'm going to go GMO free.

01:43:53.000 I'm going to drink water only.

01:43:55.000 I'm going to...

01:43:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:56.000 I gave up my beloved Diet Coke.

01:43:58.000 Dark times.

01:43:59.000 People get worried.

01:44:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:00.000 You know, you get worried and you start thinking about different ways.

01:44:03.000 And then if someone comes along and says, look, this is the solution.

01:44:06.000 Just stick with it.

01:44:07.000 I need to see you twice a week.

01:44:08.000 This one guy that I was going to was like, you've got to come more often, buddy.

01:44:11.000 That's really the way.

01:44:13.000 I've got to get you to move my neck more often. 1.00

01:44:16.000 What the fuck are you doing, really? 0.99

01:44:18.000 And I stopped going to him. 1.00

01:44:20.000 I was going to this one guy, and he had a really good massage therapist.

01:44:23.000 And I was getting the massage therapy, and then I stopped getting the chiropractic adjustment.

01:44:27.000 And then he was like, look, you got to get the chiropractic adjustment, too.

01:44:30.000 And I was like, I'm getting...

01:44:32.000 One thing is helping me.

01:44:34.000 The other thing, I don't feel anything.

01:44:36.000 It sounds cool.

01:44:37.000 I like the sound.

01:44:38.000 It's like, pop, pop.

01:44:39.000 That crick feels great.

01:44:40.000 It feels good when you do this.

01:44:43.000 That feels good. 0.99

01:44:44.000 But that's the same fucking thing that a chiropractor is doing to you. 0.99

01:44:47.000 But then they tell you you're not supposed to do that to your fingers. 0.99

01:44:50.000 I'm like, well, why?

01:44:51.000 Well, it can cause arthritis. 0.98

01:44:52.000 How the fuck do you know? 0.96

01:44:54.000 I've been doing it my whole life. 0.99

01:44:55.000 I don't have arthritis.

01:44:57.000 Well, the question is kind of like we're talking about with long-term pesticide exposure.

01:45:01.000 I don't know where that's going to land me when I'm 70. I don't believe it.

01:45:04.000 I don't believe that causes arthritis.

01:45:06.000 Of course, when I'm 70, they're just going to throw some new drug at me and it'll be fine.

01:45:09.000 My point was that you can't have it both ways. 0.98

01:45:11.000 If this causes arthritis, how the fuck are you allowed to crack my neck all the time? 0.98

01:45:15.000 That's an excellent point. 0.99

01:45:17.000 It's one or the other.

01:45:18.000 It's funny.

01:45:19.000 And one person is funny.

01:45:20.000 For all the people who messaged me, because you asked what the feedback was, it wasn't just chiropractors who were really mad. 0.87

01:45:25.000 I had some people say, my parents brought me for chiropractic when I was a kid and now my back is fucked up. 0.96

01:45:31.000 Ugh. 0.85

01:45:32.000 So, I mean, and I don't know how many stories there are like that from people saying, you know, we started chiropractic when I was a baby and this was not the way to go for me.

01:45:41.000 Like, but God, some of the responses to the article. 0.98

01:45:44.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 0.99

01:45:45.000 Well, what is that woman who just died? 1.00

01:45:47.000 The Playboy model or family suing the car?

01:45:50.000 So there are like the sudden very, you know, kind of violent way that they crack a neck in chiropractic can leave you open to severing an artery in your neck.

01:46:01.000 Now, it's not often that it happens, but it happens.

01:46:03.000 And this is one of those things that I have a really big contention with chiropractic with is that they have all these mornings and About how, you know, Western medicine, and it's kind of funny that they call it Western medicine when chiropractic started in the middle of the U.S. It's like, you don't get to claim that you made this in China,

01:46:19.000 for fuck's sakes. 0.99

01:46:20.000 But like, they'll say that Western medicine is so horrible for you, and it has all these potential side effects. 0.99

01:46:24.000 And yeah, it has potential side effects. 0.99

01:46:26.000 But they have potential side effects while they actually cure shit. 0.99

01:46:29.000 You have potential side effects while you're cracking someone's neck. 0.99

01:46:33.000 Yeah.

01:46:33.000 Right.

01:46:34.000 When you say potential side effects, too, you're talking about 320 million people that are going to the doctor.

01:46:40.000 If you have 100,000 cases of potential side effects across the board from all causes, that's what they're harping on.

01:46:47.000 You're harping on the minority of things that happen and go wrong. 0.74

01:46:51.000 And then, you know, obviously, there's some shit like thalidomide and some stuff that people don't use anymore that are horrible and the side effects are... 0.85

01:46:57.000 Thalidomide never made it to the U.S. That's something a lot of people don't realize... 0.96

01:47:01.000 Really, it was used in other countries?

01:47:03.000 It was other countries.

01:47:03.000 Now, we had one regulator in the U.S. who saw the drug was coming up for approval here, and she said, no, we have to look into this more.

01:47:10.000 And then they saw the cases in Europe of all these infants that were being born with major side effects.

01:47:17.000 And she was like, ah, told you.

01:47:19.000 So that was how they started.

01:47:20.000 And this is actually what gave us one of the best acts for regulation of For safety and efficacy in the U.S. And basically it said that drugs before they make it to market now have to be proven beyond a certain amount to show that they are both safe and effective.

01:47:37.000 And it was basically thalidomide that launched that act, which is kind of like we're good at learning from our mistakes.

01:47:46.000 I say we like I work for it, but no, it's like we're good at learning from our mistakes when we have a fuck-up like that.

01:47:51.000 So I mean, I don't know what...

01:47:53.000 And what worries me is that we're going to have...

01:47:56.000 Eventually, we can very easily have another drug like that, but it will be something that we haven't regulated out of the system yet.

01:48:03.000 So I don't know what the next thing will be, but it'll be something that we haven't seen yet.

01:48:08.000 So that's the kind of scary thing.

01:48:13.000 We already know how to test for...

01:48:15.000 Things in utero.

01:48:16.000 We already know to test for things that can cause cancer.

01:48:20.000 We already know certain types of testing.

01:48:22.000 But thalidomide, it was so crazy non-toxic, they couldn't get it to kill a rat.

01:48:28.000 How nutty is that?

01:48:29.000 It is pretty crazy what it did to babies.

01:48:31.000 Yeah, I mean, it's crazy that something that was that...

01:48:35.000 What was the purpose of it?

01:48:36.000 It was used for a lot of different things.

01:48:38.000 And the thing that they gave it to mothers for was to stop morning sickness.

01:48:43.000 Now, it's still used in a few treatments.

01:48:45.000 Just don't get it anywhere near a pregnant woman. 1.00

01:48:48.000 So they gave it...

01:48:49.000 It was really, really good for...

01:48:51.000 Let me rephrase it.

01:48:52.000 It was really effective at stopping morning sickness.

01:48:56.000 But just nobody had a clue what it was causing in utero.

01:49:02.000 And it was, you know, causing, like, you know, limbs to not be formed.

01:49:05.000 It was causing all these crazy things.

01:49:07.000 And tens of thousands of babies were born deformed before they went, yikes, pull the plug. 1.00

01:49:11.000 Isn't there also an issue with approving drugs?

01:49:14.000 Isn't there also an issue with biodiversity in that, like, you have issues that I don't have.

01:49:18.000 And so there's going to be things that affect you that are not going to affect me and vice versa.

01:49:23.000 And this is why after, and this is an interesting thing that happens.

01:49:26.000 So it's you, you know, as you happen with your neurotropics?

01:49:31.000 Nootropics.

01:49:31.000 Okay, sorry, my apologies.

01:49:33.000 So you know about phase three clinical trials and all that from that.

01:49:39.000 So when you get to phase 3, generally you're testing between 3 and 10,000 people in the population.

01:49:45.000 And you've gotten through a few trials.

01:49:46.000 You know that this is effective for this.

01:49:47.000 You want to see if people have...

01:49:49.000 You're testing for allergic reactions and you're testing to see where people are going to have issues with the drug.

01:49:54.000 So that when you get to market, you know that, you know, these people, like this is the percentage of people that have these side effects as a percentage with these.

01:50:02.000 If you have these side effects, call your doctor right away, discontinue, that type of stuff.

01:50:06.000 But that's 3,000 to 10,000 people.

01:50:08.000 You don't know who you're going to give it to that's on X medication, that has X... Disorder on top of the thing you're treating for that type of stuff or if it could cause someone to die these things can happen and like that's kind of what happened with Vioxx is that you know like they didn't they there were some people in that room who probably Vioxx which just explain causes strokes in some folks yeah it was an anti-arthritis medication yeah and it was I know a guy who got a stroke from that,

01:50:34.000 by the way.

01:50:34.000 Oh, wow.

01:50:35.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:50:36.000 I mean, there were people in that room who probably looked at it and said, all right, so there's this risk factor that causes you to increase your possible risk factor by X percent. 0.98

01:50:46.000 What if somebody has all of these risk factors combined?

01:50:50.000 Well, you shouldn't approve it because there's a chance if you put somebody on this who has all of these combined, there's a chance that their chances of getting a stroke or having an issue with their heart attack from it is going to be through the roof.

01:51:03.000 We shouldn't approve it, and it got approved anyway.

01:51:06.000 It's one of those drugs that shouldn't have been put through.

01:51:08.000 Was it heart attacks and strokes?

01:51:10.000 I thought it was heart attacks.

01:51:11.000 I know a guy who got a stroke from it.

01:51:13.000 Oh, it's a blood clot.

01:51:14.000 There must have been blood clots.

01:51:15.000 Yeah.

01:51:15.000 But yeah, it's like it shouldn't have been...

01:51:16.000 Significant issues with some folks.

01:51:18.000 Yeah, and it's like there is a chance when you put any drug through.

01:51:21.000 Now, they try to do things to minimize this, but because a Phase III trial only tests in, you know, a certain amount of the population, they try to get a diverse group.

01:51:31.000 When you get it out, you don't know what the possible effects are going to be on someone else.

01:51:36.000 So you might see new side effects.

01:51:38.000 Right.

01:51:40.000 Right.

01:52:05.000 Based upon, you know, the amount of issues that you see after it hits market.

01:52:10.000 What are your thoughts about advertising drugs on television?

01:52:14.000 Like, ask your doctor about this.

01:52:17.000 Ask your doctor.

01:52:18.000 I have, I would say, mixed feelings, but most of my feelings are that it's a bad thing.

01:52:23.000 And it's the only good thing I see from it.

01:52:26.000 And I mean, most of my feelings about it are still that it's a bad idea.

01:52:28.000 The only good thing I see about it is that if you have a...

01:52:33.000 A patient that's, you know, got a shitty disease to work with.

01:52:37.000 They get aware that there's a new medication out to treat it.

01:52:40.000 But you know where they should be getting that information?

01:52:42.000 Their doctor.

01:52:43.000 Exactly.

01:52:43.000 But ask your doctor.

01:52:45.000 Ask your doctor.

01:52:45.000 Maybe, you know what your doctor is if you're asking them?

01:52:48.000 A drug dealer.

01:52:49.000 But the problem is when they show these people holding hands and spinning around in a field of wheat and having the greatest time in their life and butterflies are flying around and puppies are magnetically drawn to them.

01:52:59.000 I'm not on enough drugs for that.

01:53:00.000 Well, that's the problem.

01:53:01.000 They have beautiful music playing.

01:53:04.000 They're manipulating you.

01:53:05.000 Yeah.

01:53:06.000 I don't feel like that's...

01:53:08.000 No, it's not appropriate.

01:53:09.000 And it's like, you know what?

01:53:10.000 I lived in England for a year, and when I was over there, I realized, I'm like, where are all the drug advertisements?

01:53:18.000 This is not a thing out here.

01:53:20.000 Well, socialized medicine.

01:53:23.000 It's...

01:53:23.000 Medicine's free.

01:53:24.000 It's different.

01:53:24.000 It was...

01:53:25.000 There were some things that were kind of crazy about that.

01:53:27.000 Like, I landed in the hospital overnight once when I was there, and I was so, like...

01:53:31.000 And I already knew that I had no co-pays when I went to a doctor.

01:53:34.000 I'm like, I'm in the hospital overnight. 1.00

01:53:36.000 Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. 1.00

01:53:37.000 I'm gonna... 1.00

01:53:38.000 Like, this is gonna cost me ten grand.

01:53:40.000 When I left, they were like, did you take a cab here?

01:53:43.000 I'm like, no, why?

01:53:44.000 They're like, oh, if you had, we were gonna pay for it.

01:53:46.000 I'm like...

01:53:47.000 What?

01:53:48.000 Who are you people?

01:53:51.000 I'm an American.

01:53:52.000 I don't know what to do with myself.

01:53:53.000 What's going on?

01:53:54.000 How was the treatment, though?

01:53:56.000 Is it the same?

01:53:58.000 I have friends in Canada, and they have massive complaints about the medical system in terms of if you get injured, it takes a long time.

01:54:08.000 All my relatives are...

01:54:09.000 I have like five relatives in this country.

01:54:10.000 The rest all live in Nova Scotia.

01:54:12.000 And there are...

01:54:13.000 I'd say it's a mixed bag. 0.98

01:54:14.000 So if you need urgent care or regular care, like you need to go to the doctor for a checkup, you need your annuals, or you have a fucking heart attack, I would say you're better off living in Canada. 0.98

01:54:28.000 I had a little cousin that was born with basically no chambers in her heart. 0.99

01:54:31.000 Which is horrifying.

01:54:33.000 You know, it's like they saw it in utero and it was like, okay, we're going to have to give this child an operation like almost immediately when she was born.

01:54:42.000 And for the next two years out, a surgery almost every, like open heart surgery every year on the dot.

01:54:48.000 Every year as the heart grows?

01:54:50.000 Yeah.

01:54:50.000 Is that the deal?

01:54:50.000 And we asked why.

01:54:51.000 Jesus Christ.

01:54:52.000 Yeah.

01:54:52.000 And I mean, they couldn't do all the fixing because they needed to do it as the heart got bigger.

01:54:57.000 So what do they do?

01:54:57.000 How do they do that?

01:54:59.000 And I mean, I wish I knew all the technicalities, but you'd have to talk to a heart surgeon.

01:55:03.000 No chamber.

01:55:04.000 So what'd the heart look like?

01:55:05.000 It was...

01:55:05.000 I'm not exactly sure.

01:55:06.000 I never saw the pictures of it.

01:55:08.000 But I mean, it's...

01:55:09.000 I'll hunt down my...

01:55:10.000 Her father, my cousin's blog that documented it if you want to have a peek.

01:55:14.000 But it was...

01:55:15.000 It's a fairly rare condition.

01:55:16.000 The heart was...

01:55:17.000 I believe when she was born, like it was a little closer to the center of the chest.

01:55:21.000 Like it's a...

01:55:21.000 It was a very...

01:55:22.000 Like my mom said that, you know, when she held her when she was first born, like the pulsing even felt a little...

01:55:28.000 Or sounded a little different than a normal infant's heart.

01:55:31.000 Like it was...

01:55:33.000 At first they did a surgery that kind of put a band around the heart to give it a little more structure and then they formed more chambers and then when she was three they put in like full chambers and now the only thing she can't do is she can't play contact sports and they paid nothing.

01:55:49.000 She can't play contact sports because of the possibility of causing... 1.00

01:55:54.000 I'm not sure exactly what it can do, but it can cause a little bit too much trauma to a heart that's already been through a lot of trauma.

01:56:01.000 But that's the only thing that she's been told not to do.

01:56:04.000 So don't kickbox.

01:56:04.000 Yeah, no kickboxing.

01:56:05.000 Don't get kicked in the chest.

01:56:06.000 No, no getting kicked in the chest. 0.75

01:56:08.000 But she can run? 1.00

01:56:08.000 I believe she can run. 1.00

01:56:10.000 Wow.

01:56:11.000 She's a happy, active little kid.

01:56:13.000 Looks really healthy.

01:56:15.000 She's a twin, and she's about the same height as her brother.

01:56:22.000 Why didn't they just take her to a chiropractor where they could adjust her neck and grow her heart better? 1.00

01:56:26.000 See, if you'd been there to suggest this show, she'd be fine.

01:56:28.000 Just rub the back.

01:56:29.000 I went to this one guy.

01:56:30.000 Maybe she never went to Paltrow's stickers.

01:56:33.000 One of them things, a credit card, just put it under her feet while she's sleeping. 0.81

01:56:36.000 Some energy for her food. 0.99

01:56:38.000 I went to this one motherfucker who was treating a bunch of fighters, and he was a zone healer. 0.99

01:56:44.000 Do you know what a zone healer is? 0.99

01:56:46.000 Never heard of it, but I'm excited now.

01:56:47.000 He seemed like such a nice guy.

01:56:49.000 He was a chiropractor, too.

01:56:50.000 And he probably is a nice guy.

01:56:52.000 But he would press the back of your head, like little spots.

01:56:57.000 And he's like, does this hurt here?

01:56:58.000 Does this hurt here?

01:56:59.000 Does this hurt here?

01:57:00.000 And then he would press harder.

01:57:02.000 And I go, well, that one was kind of...

01:57:04.000 It kind of hurts more. 0.98

01:57:05.000 And he's like, well, there could be an issue with, you know, hypothalamus or some shit like that. 0.96

01:57:10.000 I was like, what? 0.91

01:57:11.000 And so, you know, I'm a pretty skeptical person.

01:57:14.000 I've been hoodwinked before, but I'm pretty skeptical.

01:57:17.000 You're getting to be a good skeptic. 1.00

01:57:24.000 That they can tell from the fucking skin on your skull. 1.00

01:57:28.000 The skin on your skull. 1.00

01:57:29.000 Like, they can tell that this is the area.

01:57:32.000 This is, oh, you've got an issue with your liver.

01:57:35.000 This is the liver area when I squeeze.

01:57:38.000 It's like, no, this is the liver right there.

01:57:40.000 So, me and this guy get into it.

01:57:42.000 And so I go, I mean, I'm being respectful, but I'm like, what are you doing?

01:57:46.000 And he's like, well, it's called zone healing.

01:57:49.000 He's explaining this zone healing thing to me.

01:57:50.000 And I'm like, what is he doing?

01:57:51.000 And like, well, it can cure all these different diseases.

01:57:54.000 He starts talking to me about all these different autoimmune diseases that it can cure and all these different things.

01:57:58.000 I go, well, how's it working?

01:57:59.000 It's like, well, it's just the way that I'm manipulating you in a certain way and with the frequencies.

01:58:06.000 I'm like, what?

01:58:07.000 So I'm like, come on, man. 0.99

01:58:08.000 How the fuck is this working? 0.95

01:58:09.000 I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. 0.98

01:58:11.000 And so then we get to it, and he's like, you understand the placebo effect, right?

01:58:14.000 And I go, yeah.

01:58:15.000 Well, the placebo effect is you give someone a sugar pill, you tell them it's medicine, and somehow or another it magically heals them, right?

01:58:20.000 And he's like, yeah.

01:58:21.000 And he's like, well, this is essentially what we're doing. 0.97

01:58:23.000 I go, so you're bullshitting.

01:58:25.000 And you're letting these people's bodies heal themselves. 0.97

01:58:27.000 He goes, I wouldn't put it that way.

01:58:29.000 Of course you wouldn't put it that way, because you're charging money for this.

01:58:31.000 I go, you're saying that what you're doing doesn't really do anything.

01:58:35.000 He goes, but it does.

01:58:36.000 I go, it does.

01:58:37.000 He goes, if you believe in it, it does. 1.00

01:58:39.000 I go, Jesus fucking Christ. 0.99

01:58:41.000 I don't have to believe in penicillin, okay? 1.00

01:58:43.000 Exactly.

01:58:44.000 But it was so disturbing to me because I knew a bunch of guys who had gone to them and they're like, oh, this guy's fixing my knee.

01:58:49.000 And I was like, what?

01:58:50.000 He's fixing your knee?

01:58:51.000 By adjusting your neck?

01:58:52.000 He's fixing your knee?

01:58:53.000 He's not fixing your knee.

01:58:55.000 Your knee is getting healed because you're taking time off.

01:58:58.000 People heal.

01:58:59.000 You know the body knows how to heal.

01:59:00.000 I want a reflexologist mechanic for my car.

01:59:03.000 I want someone to start...

01:59:04.000 What's a reflexologist?

01:59:05.000 The same thing as where they say that it's not just that they're messing with your feet.

01:59:09.000 They're giving you a reflexology massage where they tap on certain parts of your feet and they say it's healing your liver.

01:59:14.000 So give me a reflexologist mechanic so that they're tapping on my tires and it's like, no, no, no, I'm working on your radiator.

01:59:20.000 I want to see that.

01:59:21.000 Okay.

01:59:21.000 Okay, I'm not aware of reflexology.

01:59:22.000 I've seen those places where they show like a chart of the feet and it looks, might as well be a fucking palm reader, right? 0.93

01:59:29.000 You're walking by and they have one of those neon signs. 0.97

01:59:32.000 Oh yeah.

01:59:33.000 And so they, what do they do?

01:59:35.000 They say that by tapping on certain, like this part, the arch is really your liver and your toes are really, oh yeah.

01:59:41.000 Your arch is your liver.

01:59:43.000 I'm not sure. 1.00

01:59:44.000 So it's the same kind of shit. 1.00

01:59:46.000 Oh yeah. 1.00

01:59:47.000 But like I said, give me the chiropractic reflexologist of the mechanic world.

01:59:53.000 I want them to start tapping on my oil tank and say, oh really?

01:59:57.000 I'm fixing your alternator. 0.99

02:00:00.000 Nobody does this shit for cars because you know why? 1.00

02:00:02.000 Your car won't run. 0.99

02:00:03.000 There's a real problem with people saying they know things that they don't really know.

02:00:08.000 And I think people get really upset by it.

02:00:10.000 And I think it's one of the reasons why it's so important to be honest about what you actually know and what you don't actually know.

02:00:15.000 You know, I think that to me is like the most important currency.

02:00:19.000 Like you should never give up.

02:00:21.000 How you honestly feel and what you honestly think and what you honestly know about something. 1.00

02:00:25.000 So as soon as you're a fucking astrologer or a card reader or a palm reader or a psychic, you're a bullshit artist. 1.00

02:00:34.000 The reason you exist is because we can't really read minds. 1.00

02:00:39.000 Because if I could know that you don't really know that, if I could see a little turkey tester pop up in your head, Well, I know you're full of shit. 1.00

02:00:45.000 Like, oh, your fucking tester popped up, homie. 1.00

02:00:48.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:00:48.000 It's like, the way you... 1.00

02:00:49.000 I think if anyone out there...

02:00:51.000 Because I'm guessing your audience doesn't have a lot of people who believe in psychics, but if anyone...

02:00:56.000 I'm sure they do. 0.94

02:00:56.000 If anyone out there truly believes in a psychic, walk into one, and when they ask you your name, just walk right the fuck back out. 0.94

02:01:02.000 Because if they were a real psychic, they would know you were coming, and they would know your name.

02:01:05.000 Yeah.

02:01:06.000 Maybe they weren't paying attention.

02:01:08.000 Maybe they want to check to see if you're lying.

02:01:09.000 My name is Fred.

02:01:10.000 Like, okay, Mark.

02:01:11.000 Sorry.

02:01:12.000 Just walk right in.

02:01:13.000 Walk right in.

02:01:14.000 Give them a false story and see if they check it.

02:01:16.000 I have a friend who went to a psychic and he was like, dude, this guy knew all about my grandma.

02:01:20.000 I'm like, don't you know about your grandma? 1.00

02:01:23.000 The fuck are you talking about, man? 1.00

02:01:25.000 She was an old lady and she was grandma-like and she cooks things that you like. 1.00

02:01:29.000 See, I know about your grandma too, motherfucker! 0.99

02:01:31.000 Well, they give you these leading questions and then you give them information and they're really good at reading. 0.99

02:01:37.000 Do you know what Banachek is?

02:01:38.000 Oh yeah, I'm friends with Penn and Teller.

02:01:41.000 Oh, okay.

02:01:41.000 Yeah, it's Love those guys.

02:01:42.000 It's funny because I learned a lot of my writing style kind of from that.

02:01:47.000 And it was funny.

02:01:47.000 There was a night backstage after the show once where I was talking about what I was doing with the Psy Babe writing with Teller.

02:01:55.000 And one of the things he said was about getting the script back for the chiropractic episode. 0.97

02:02:00.000 And they have to be really careful with how they wrote the episodes of bullshit. 1.00

02:02:04.000 Oh, bullshit. 1.00

02:02:05.000 When they did bullshit. 1.00

02:02:05.000 What a great show that was. 1.00

02:02:07.000 And it was funny because I... We're good to go.

02:02:26.000 And hearing Teller describe, like after I started, you know, doing the Psy Babe thing, chit-chatting with him about that, I got a little insight into his brain.

02:02:34.000 He's like, yeah, we got the script back from legal. 1.00

02:02:36.000 And they said, just call the chiropractors motherfuckers. 1.00

02:02:41.000 And it's like, I'm like, inside I'm like, I gotta keep my composition, but my lord, that was like hearing Teller say motherfuckers. 1.00

02:02:47.000 That sounds like something Penn would say too. 1.00

02:02:50.000 These motherfuckers! 1.00

02:02:52.000 Basically everything you hear in Penn's tone of voice, you have to hear it in this tone of voice! 1.00

02:02:58.000 I love that guy.

02:02:59.000 I've learned a lot about skepticking responsibly from him.

02:03:04.000 And one of the things I've always taken away is don't blame the victim.

02:03:07.000 And that's something I've kept with me and I'll always keep with me.

02:03:11.000 He's been a big influence on my work and it's been helpful.

02:03:15.000 Yeah, I mean, we've all been hoodwinked.

02:03:17.000 I mean, at some stage of your life, whether it's your parents telling you about Santa Claus or something along the way, we've been tricked.

02:03:25.000 And it's not your fault that you got tricked.

02:03:27.000 Man, sometimes it's not even the fault that the person is tricking you if they're being sincere and they're just misinformed and they don't understand that what they're doing is actually harmful.

02:03:37.000 Yep.

02:03:37.000 And then they fight for their cause.

02:03:40.000 Like they have this thing that they do, whether it's chiropractic or whether it's being an astrologer or whatever.

02:03:45.000 Then they dig in and they defend their turf.

02:03:50.000 I apologize for interrupting.

02:03:51.000 You were saying about Banachek.

02:03:53.000 If you were about to go into when they fooled people with the fake psychic thing.

02:03:57.000 No, how good he is at reading people.

02:03:59.000 I did a show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything, and Banachek was one of the episodes where he was explaining to me how they do cold reading.

02:04:08.000 Oh, yeah.

02:04:09.000 Explain to me how they lead people into giving him enough information that he can form a reasonable assessment of who they are and then he would answer certain ask certain leading questions and he's like I've just done this so many times I know how to get be and people are shocked and they don't know what to do and they've never done this before so you know it's like you can ask them questions and they start giving you information and like your parents were divorced when you were young how do you know Because you said it.

02:04:37.000 It's so common, first of all.

02:04:39.000 You can read certain things from people. 0.99

02:04:42.000 He showed us a bunch of shit that he does, like the spoon bending thing. 0.97

02:04:46.000 A bunch of different things that people want you to think that it's magic. 0.98

02:04:51.000 It's funny because there's a big crossover with the magician community and the skeptic community, and it's because they know how easy it is to trick the Sure.

02:05:00.000 And I kind of love that.

02:05:01.000 It's been interesting to see this group of entertainers that people think of as goofballs be a little bit of a bastion of intellectualism because it's hard to get people to pay attention to anything on the internet.

02:05:14.000 But if you make it funny and you add a dick joke, suddenly people are like, I've got to learn about this.

02:05:19.000 Right. 0.99

02:05:19.000 Well, that's why Penn and Teller, I think, are so important because they were the first magicians who were really adamant that what they're doing is bullshit. 0.99

02:05:27.000 Yep. 0.98

02:05:27.000 They were like, nope, we're tricking you. 0.98

02:05:29.000 And they used that word trick, and I like that.

02:05:31.000 Yeah, we're tricking you.

02:05:32.000 We're really good at it.

02:05:33.000 It's still going to be awesome.

02:05:34.000 You're still going to watch it and have a great time.

02:05:36.000 And they were totally up front.

02:05:37.000 They're like, no, there's no magic. 0.99

02:05:39.000 We're motherfucking tricking you. 0.98

02:05:41.000 Yeah, their shows. 1.00

02:05:42.000 God damn, those shows were hilarious. 1.00

02:05:44.000 Some of those bullshit shows where they'd catch people and the nonsense that they're promoting and pushing. 1.00

02:05:50.000 One of my... 0.99

02:05:50.000 One of my favorite ones is there was an episode where they attacked organic food, and this is this thing where people double down on things. 0.99

02:05:59.000 They took a banana, cut it in half, and it was, I believe, a conventionally grown banana, and on one plate they'd say it was an organic banana, the other plate they'd say it was organic, the other plate conventionally grown, and have people take a bite out of each one.

02:06:12.000 And people, you know, they'd sit there describing the organic banana as creamy and sweet and tastes like a banana should taste.

02:06:19.000 And the conventionally grown, yeah, it's really bland and it doesn't taste good. 0.98

02:06:24.000 And this one girl after they explained, to quote Penn, it's the same fucking banana! 0.88

02:06:30.000 And this one girl afterwards, she's like, I don't know if it makes me question my opinion of organic versus conventional. 0.97

02:06:36.000 It really makes me question the concept of the banana.

02:06:40.000 I'm like...

02:06:42.000 Oh girl, you're going to waste so much money. 1.00

02:06:44.000 I like how you do a dumb girl voice. 1.00

02:06:45.000 You can pull that off. 0.99

02:06:46.000 Natasha Lugero got mad at me yesterday when I did a dumb girl voice. 0.98

02:06:52.000 It's a skill. 0.92

02:06:54.000 It's one of the skills I bring to the table.

02:06:56.000 You can get away with it, though.

02:06:57.000 Girls can get away with it. 1.00

02:06:59.000 I thought I did an okay impression of pen, but nah.

02:07:05.000 Enough yelling! 0.96

02:07:06.000 Enough attempting to destroy my vocal cords will produce a pen impression, almost. 0.98

02:07:12.000 Well, I think it's a unique time for exposing bullshit, you know, because there's enough articles and videos, and there's enough, like, you can kind of get a sense, like, oh, I see a pattern here. 0.95

02:07:24.000 There's a lot of people.

02:07:25.000 I think people are tired of not knowing what's real on the internet, and it's partially, like, this whole trend with fake news, and, like, there's kind of a breaking point, I think, in terms of what people are willing to accept for just...

02:07:39.000 Shit being spewed on the internet and being accepted as real because there's so much content out there and people want to spend their time reading stuff that's for real and that they can trust and they don't want to trust shitty sources you know like they want to go all right here's a source I can trust I can keep going back to this website I can get good information.

02:07:59.000 And they want things explained that they know was researched well. 0.99

02:08:03.000 And I think that this is a valuable good to offer out to people saying, you know, here's something real and here's a dick joke to read while you're reading something real. 0.83

02:08:14.000 So I aim for a good dick joke to research ratio. 0.84

02:08:18.000 I think that's important as well.

02:08:19.000 Now, when you did this article and, you know, you said it was 4,000 words, it's a particularly long article.

02:08:26.000 What did you have to omit? 0.90

02:08:28.000 I mean, it seems like, I mean, when you're dealing with 4,000 words, I mean, was it just the comprehensive coverage on why chiropractic medicine is bullshit? 0.97

02:08:35.000 Or is it just like, like, God damn, I got to keep this thing as tight as I can, but there's so much to talk about. 0.95

02:08:40.000 Well, it's... 0.97

02:08:41.000 I was going to joke, well, I do get paid by the word.

02:08:43.000 No, that's true, but it wasn't like...

02:08:46.000 I never go into it going, let's make it as long as I can or make it as short as I can.

02:08:51.000 I'm a contributing writer at The Outline now, and whenever we write a piece, it's always, let's make it cover the topic in as entertaining and as...

02:09:05.000 As cohesive of a story as possible.

02:09:09.000 We kind of say, what points do we want to cover in this piece?

02:09:14.000 And it's basically to tell a good story.

02:09:18.000 And my goal whenever I write an article on something is, let's write a piece so that I never have to cover this topic again.

02:09:26.000 And with chiropractic...

02:09:29.000 One thing I would have liked to have covered if somehow we could have condensed it a little so we could have fit something else in, I would have maybe added in a piece on are there science-based chiropractors.

02:09:42.000 Is that possible?

02:09:43.000 But is it possible to be a science-based card reader?

02:09:47.000 Yeah, I mean, that's the problem.

02:09:48.000 I feel like we tried to present one point of view while still giving a hat to it.

02:09:55.000 We included a link on some chiropractors that are showing that they're trying to be science-based.

02:10:00.000 So I think that adding a whole section on it would have maybe diminished from the point of view of it.

02:10:05.000 So making it good reading and a cohesive point of view is always important to the article.

02:10:11.000 But let me stop you there.

02:10:12.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

02:10:12.000 When you say chiropractor science-based, if it was bullshit when it started, if it was something that was created by a magnetic healer, it was a nonsense thing that came from a seance. 0.98

02:10:23.000 How does that ever become science-based if the original, the origin, it's not based on medical research where they figured out that if you do this, look, here's all the studies that we've shown. 0.81

02:10:35.000 When you do this, this is the immune system response that the body has.

02:10:38.000 There's none of that, right?

02:10:40.000 It doesn't exist.

02:10:41.000 Well, there is some, and it's some minor evidence that...

02:10:44.000 But subjective pain relief, right?

02:10:46.000 That's it.

02:10:47.000 And I don't want to diminish, and this is something that I'm sure people are sitting there with daggers still mad at us for questioning their subjective experiences.

02:10:55.000 I don't want to tell people that they did not feel relief from what they...

02:11:00.000 Because pain is really subjective and it's hard to manage.

02:11:03.000 Sure.

02:11:04.000 I think that there are chiropractors who aim specifically to relieve low back pain.

02:11:09.000 And I mean, I think if you aim just to do that with your chiropractic practice while still telling people, look, I'm just doing this while you go to physical therapy.

02:11:18.000 You should still be going to a physical therapist.

02:11:20.000 This is an adjunctive thing solely to relieve pain.

02:11:24.000 And they try to see how it can just relieve pain.

02:11:28.000 I think it's possible that that can do that, but I think that adding that into the article takes away from it a bit, because that's not part of the article's point of view, and it's also not part of my point of view of how it's not a science-based practice.

02:11:42.000 So I think that, and I mean, I've seen some ethical chiropractors, there's Sam Homola, I'm not sure how to pronounce his name, I've never heard it said out loud before, but that was one of the chiropractors who I cited in there.

02:11:53.000 He's continued to practice while speaking out against the chiropractic, very vocally speaking out against chiropractic as a whole, because he's seen that it can, you know, and there is some evidence.

02:12:03.000 But is he still manipulating backs?

02:12:04.000 He is.

02:12:05.000 But what is going on there?

02:12:06.000 What does that do?

02:12:07.000 And that's one of those things where I feel like I'm in a gray area, because I don't want to diminish the people who have said that it's helped them have...

02:12:14.000 Pain relief, but I also think these people should be going to a physical therapist and to a massage therapist. 0.92

02:12:23.000 So I'm not sure what the exact right answer is on that.

02:12:28.000 If someone says, I've been to a physical therapist, I've been to a massage therapist, and this is the only thing that's ever made it feel better, and I went in one session.

02:12:37.000 What do you say?

02:12:37.000 And I... I don't know where the exact right answer is to that person.

02:12:41.000 I don't know either, but if it all started from bullshit, it seems so hard if the foundation is bullshit. 0.97

02:12:46.000 I went to a guy that was really good at a bunch of other stuff. 0.99

02:12:51.000 He would give you EMS, electrical muscular stimulation, put those pads on, and cold laser.

02:12:57.000 He had really good massage therapists.

02:12:58.000 He provided physical therapy.

02:13:00.000 He had a little gym set up.

02:13:01.000 But at the end of the day, he's still cracking backs.

02:13:04.000 Well, here's a question.

02:13:05.000 What if, and this is, I get it, this is completely a hypothetical, what if it hadn't been started by this nutjaw-bagnetic healer and it was a doctor who said, oh, this can, you know, this can help. 0.53

02:13:16.000 And if it was just an osteopath who was trying to see if this could help relieve pain along with physical therapy. 0.55

02:13:23.000 So I encourage people if they are looking for a way that manipulation can help, maybe not go to a chiropractor, but seek out in your medical practice an osteopath who knows much more about anatomy and please keep going to a physical therapist and maybe a massage therapist because massages feel fucking great. 0.58

02:13:42.000 Yeah, they do. 0.98

02:13:43.000 It's so hard to say that there's science-based ones when it all started out with bullshit. 0.93

02:13:50.000 It will be very hard for you to find a quote-unquote science-based chiropractor.

02:13:56.000 Please, if the only thing that's relieving your back pain, and I get it, I have scoliosis, back pain issues are very hard to manage.

02:14:04.000 An osteopath will understand your anatomy much better.

02:14:08.000 They're not going to say you have to come back in three times a week.

02:14:10.000 They're going to send you to a physical therapist and maybe recommend a massage.

02:14:15.000 But they'll do it in an ethical fashion and not overstep their reach.

02:14:21.000 But there is some evidence that it helps with lower back pain, but not more than physical therapy or massage.

02:14:29.000 And that's, I think, what people should take away from this.

02:14:31.000 I'm not saying it can't do anything.

02:14:33.000 I'm saying it's not the best thing.

02:14:34.000 And that's also a problem because most chiropractors also incorporate massage. 0.99

02:14:40.000 So it's so hard to decide, like, what is helping you.

02:14:44.000 Yeah, and I mean, that's, like, I think it's, and I get it, like, I'm, I don't want to, I think the hardest part is telling people that their subjective experience is wrong.

02:14:53.000 Right. 0.97

02:14:53.000 Because that's, like, you don't, I don't want to be that asshole who's like... 0.97

02:14:56.000 You know, I don't think necessarily you're saying it's wrong, but you're saying re-evaluate what the root cause of it was. 0.97

02:15:01.000 Exactly. 0.98

02:15:01.000 Yeah, and it's like, if you went to a chiropractor, you're not stupid, you're not wrong, you're not a moron, you're someone who's suffering. 0.98

02:15:10.000 And both of us understand that. 0.91

02:15:13.000 It's just, you know, make sure you're not being, that the person who's selling to you isn't selling a line.

02:15:20.000 They're not telling you they can fix your immune system and cure your baby to the point where it doesn't need vaccinations.

02:15:26.000 Please, please don't let someone do that to you.

02:15:28.000 That's so stunning that they're doing that.

02:15:30.000 Measles is a real thing.

02:15:32.000 So is chicken pox, mumps, polio, all of it.

02:15:36.000 Have you ever gotten whooping cough?

02:15:41.000 No.

02:15:42.000 I've heard it's horrible. 0.99

02:15:43.000 I got it as an adult because this is kind of shitty. 0.96

02:15:47.000 They do need to make a new whooping cough vaccine. 0.90

02:15:49.000 That is not a reason not to get it.

02:15:50.000 Please get it.

02:15:51.000 Please re-up it.

02:15:52.000 But the whooping cough vaccine, when they made it, some strains of it wore off faster than was originally expected.

02:16:01.000 Somebody came into my lab, and we were, I mean, we were given, you know, along with our packages working two labs ago at a drug testing lab, we were given health insurance.

02:16:11.000 And it was around the time of the first Obamacare debate, you know, when people were all like, I don't need to buy health care.

02:16:16.000 And one of the guys in the lab who was all, why should I get health care?

02:16:19.000 I'm healthy.

02:16:19.000 He showed up with whooping cough.

02:16:21.000 And for two weeks, we didn't know he had it.

02:16:22.000 He was just sick.

02:16:23.000 And everyone's like, Craig, go to the doctor.

02:16:24.000 Craig, go to the doctor.

02:16:25.000 Craig, go to the doctor.

02:16:26.000 Five of us got whooping cough.

02:16:28.000 From one guy.

02:16:29.000 From one guy.

02:16:30.000 Did you ever let him hear the end of it? 1.00

02:16:32.000 Fucking Craig. 1.00

02:16:33.000 It's fucking Craig, man. 1.00

02:16:35.000 Fucking Craig. 1.00

02:16:36.000 I was out of work. 0.99

02:16:38.000 We all had to stay out of work for five days, all of us who had it.

02:16:40.000 And I'm like, within the course of a month, and this was just bad luck.

02:16:44.000 Within the course of a month, I had had hip surgery.

02:16:47.000 Tore a ligament in my hip running an ultramarathon.

02:16:51.000 Never...

02:16:51.000 Don't run an ultramarathon.

02:16:52.000 It's a bad idea.

02:16:54.000 Was hit in a car accident and got a whooping cough.

02:16:57.000 Wait, that was six weeks.

02:16:58.000 So I'm like, I had no vacation time left to miss work and I was out because somebody coughed on me.

02:17:04.000 I have a buddy of mine who runs ultramarathons all the time.

02:17:06.000 Oh, I didn't realize at the time that I had a joint disorder.

02:17:10.000 Yeah, well, don't run them if you have a joint disorder.

02:17:12.000 And don't run them if you don't build up to them, too, right?

02:17:14.000 Oh, no.

02:17:14.000 You need to train.

02:17:15.000 I mean, I trained properly.

02:17:16.000 I just didn't realize.

02:17:17.000 I'm like, my hip is hurting.

02:17:18.000 And I went to my surgeon.

02:17:19.000 And this is something that chiropractic does yell about in the pain care department.

02:17:26.000 And in the medical system that they have a point about, doctors do throw pills at you haphazardly.

02:17:31.000 My doctor, and I'm never going to not be mad about this, my doctor instead of saying we should do a scan with contrast to see what's going on because you're really complaining about this, chucked me a bottle of Vicodin and said go ahead and run.

02:17:45.000 Yeah!

02:17:46.000 Wow, what's your doctor's name? 0.98

02:17:48.000 Oh yeah, I'm not gonna say because you know it's like it's there was that part of me that was really happy that I got to do my ultra but God damn it if you need Vicodin to run a marathon don't do it. 0.98

02:17:57.000 Dr. Vicodin.

02:17:58.000 Oh yeah, it's I mean don't don't do that but I mean it was funny because after I ran I'm like all right I don't need to you know take the medication anymore because I'm not running and suddenly I realized how fucked up my hip was and it was like oh my god I can barely walk like I What was wrong with the hip?

02:18:13.000 You tore a ligament?

02:18:13.000 I tore my labrum.

02:18:15.000 Did you have to get that tightened up?

02:18:17.000 I don't even remember.

02:18:19.000 All I have are two little scars.

02:18:23.000 It was such an easy surgery that the day of surgery, it felt less bad than it did the day before.

02:18:29.000 Wow.

02:18:29.000 It was the week that I turned 29. I'm like, it's...

02:18:33.000 Turned 29 and already I'm getting hip surgery!

02:18:36.000 I'm like, this was...

02:18:38.000 Yeah, so that was my...

02:18:39.000 All of my surgeries have been on...

02:18:40.000 I'm pretty sure my parents dropped me as a baby and just won't admit to it because my headache left side, three surgeries on my left shoulder, surgery on my left hip.

02:18:48.000 Are you right-handed?

02:18:50.000 I'm right-handed, but I'm a little...

02:18:51.000 Maybe it's because you're doing everything with your right side.

02:18:53.000 Your left side's atrophying.

02:18:54.000 Kind of ambidextrous.

02:18:55.000 One of my friends is an archery instructor, and I'm learning how to shoot bows and arrows, you know, just in case the revolution comes.

02:19:01.000 No, not really.

02:19:01.000 But I shoot with my bow hand.

02:19:06.000 My strong hand is my left hand, and I'm dominant on my left eye.

02:19:09.000 So you pull back, your left eye dominant?

02:19:10.000 Pull back on the...

02:19:11.000 Wait, which one gets...

02:19:12.000 You'd pull back on the left if you're left eye dominant.

02:19:15.000 Yeah, pull back on the left and my right arm keeps getting bruised like crazy and I have to keep explaining to people that I'm not getting hit.

02:19:20.000 Because you're slapping the skin with this string?

02:19:23.000 Yeah, slapping with this one.

02:19:24.000 Yeah, you need better form.

02:19:25.000 You're not supposed to do that.

02:19:28.000 Why don't you put one of those wrist things on, or those forearm things?

02:19:32.000 I have one, and it's the worst.

02:19:34.000 This is the worst thing that happens.

02:19:35.000 Because, like, all I have to do is go like this to get my arm out of the way.

02:19:37.000 And instead, the couple of, this is the worst, is when the string catches right here and this giant bruise right here.

02:19:43.000 Right.

02:19:44.000 Are you using a compound bow or a traditional bow?

02:19:46.000 I think it's a long bow.

02:19:48.000 I don't know off the top.

02:19:49.000 Well, it doesn't have cams in it, like these big...

02:19:51.000 No, it's a fairly simple starter bow.

02:19:54.000 My friend Anna, she knows all the things we're doing.

02:19:58.000 I just kind of show up and I'm like, please let me not kill myself.

02:20:03.000 It's a thing where it's a lot of fun.

02:20:05.000 And I'm loving the crap out of it.

02:20:08.000 It's a great workout, especially for your lats and your upper shoulders.

02:20:13.000 But it's like, dear God, I'm still clueless at what I'm doing.

02:20:16.000 It's funny because she's won a few tournaments.

02:20:18.000 She knows what she's doing.

02:20:20.000 I'd gone shooting with her a few times.

02:20:22.000 Then we went out and my boyfriend came with us.

02:20:24.000 And he's hitting bullseyes right away. 0.98

02:20:26.000 I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? 0.99

02:20:28.000 He just naturally... 0.97

02:20:38.000 Is that what you do, really?

02:20:40.000 No, not at all.

02:20:41.000 I'm not an angry person.

02:20:43.000 It's funny.

02:20:44.000 All of my rage goes into my writing, and that's...

02:20:47.000 I'm like, anger, daddy issues, all the times that I did.

02:20:53.000 Why didn't this work? 0.99

02:20:55.000 God damn it! 0.99

02:20:55.000 All the anger goes into the writing. 0.99

02:20:57.000 The archery is just meditative.

02:20:59.000 It's relaxing.

02:21:01.000 It's like you're out on an open field.

02:21:03.000 It's a really nice little archery range up in Glendale.

02:21:05.000 Oh yeah, I know where that is.

02:21:06.000 Yeah, I feel like it's one of those things where when you're doing it, it requires so much focus, it kind of drains you of distractions.

02:21:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:13.000 You're just...

02:21:14.000 It's funny.

02:21:16.000 Here's my nerdy moments.

02:21:18.000 Whenever we walk from the car to the range, I turn on superhero soundtracks and just walk out there.

02:21:24.000 Superhero soundtracks?

02:21:26.000 It's the soundtrack to Deadpool while we're walking out there.

02:21:29.000 I can feel slightly like a badass for five seconds, okay?

02:21:34.000 Before I go back to my life as a writer.

02:21:37.000 Well, thank you for your writing. 0.99

02:21:39.000 Thank you for writing that article on chiropractors being bullshit. 0.91

02:21:42.000 I'm sorry chiropractors who are listening to this are fuming and angry. 0.99

02:21:46.000 They're going to hate me.

02:21:47.000 It's okay.

02:21:47.000 Well, I mean, everything you said is right, though.

02:21:50.000 The real problem is what you did was, you know, you exposed something.

02:21:55.000 It's the one thing, and I keep waiting for this, you know, there was the one article where somebody called me a Sith Lord, and I'm like, they gave a bunch of...

02:22:01.000 Why did they say that?

02:22:02.000 What was the article?

02:22:03.000 Was it written by a chiropractor?

02:22:04.000 I don't remember.

02:22:05.000 I think it was somebody who had went to one, and they said, only a Sith deals in absolutes.

02:22:09.000 I'm like, I'm part of the rebellion.

02:22:11.000 But no, they... 1.00

02:22:12.000 That's so stupid. 1.00

02:22:14.000 It's a nerd doubt. 1.00

02:22:15.000 I am a nerd, and I'm okay with it.

02:22:18.000 Yeah, I'm a nerd too, but that's so, like... 0.98

02:22:21.000 That's such a nerd-out way to fucking criticize someone. 0.97

02:22:24.000 You mean if you're calling me a Sith Lord? 0.99

02:22:26.000 I have that in my Twitter profile now.

02:22:28.000 I'm like, alleged Sith Lord, bring it on!

02:22:30.000 Wow, you ran with it.

02:22:31.000 I'm like, you know, after all the insults that people have thrown, I found an article written about me once, and this was beautiful, that said that I was a big pharma shill because I admitted to taking medication for my headache.

02:22:46.000 I'm like, I don't think I'm a shill.

02:22:48.000 I think I'm a customer.

02:22:50.000 They have the relationship backwards.

02:22:52.000 You can't read everything.

02:22:54.000 But no, I can't fight the internet.

02:22:55.000 And you definitely can't talk about everything that you read.

02:22:57.000 You'll go crazy.

02:22:58.000 No!

02:22:59.000 Thank you.

02:22:59.000 What's the correct pronunciation of your name?

02:23:02.000 Yvette D'Entremont.

02:23:03.000 D'Entremont?

02:23:04.000 D'Entremont.

02:23:05.000 Say it one more time.

02:23:05.000 D'Entremont?

02:23:06.000 D'Entremont.

02:23:07.000 D'Entremont.

02:23:08.000 There you go.

02:23:08.000 Yvette D'Entremont.

02:23:10.000 There we go.

02:23:10.000 All right.

02:23:11.000 Thank you, Yvette.

02:23:11.000 Thank you so much for having me.

02:23:12.000 My pleasure.

02:23:13.000 See you guys.

02:23:14.000 And girls.

02:23:15.000 And non-binary folks.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 06, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #984 - Yvette d'Entremont

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