The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - January 29, 2017

00:00:00.000 Everybody be really careful we don't talk over each other because, you know, it's hard not to.

00:00:05.000 There's six of us here.

00:00:06.000 Yeah, Brian.

00:00:06.000 Alright.

00:00:07.000 You're live.

00:00:08.000 Yeah, Brian. 1.00

00:00:08.000 Okay, we're live, you fucking freaks. 1.00

00:00:11.000 Ladies and gentlemen, this is an unprecedented podcast. 0.99

00:00:13.000 This is the first time we've ever done an after-the-fact podcast. 0.98

00:00:17.000 Brendan Schaub and I know all the goddamn results. 0.95

00:00:20.000 I know everybody else. 0.99

00:00:22.000 Brian knows one result.

00:00:23.000 Eddie knows none.

00:00:25.000 Robin...

00:00:25.000 I know a mom.

00:00:25.000 He knows a mom.

00:00:26.000 I'm the only one?

00:00:27.000 Yeah, they're the only one.

00:00:28.000 So it's beautiful.

00:00:29.000 So no one's going to cheat.

00:00:30.000 We're not going to...

00:00:32.000 Make picks.

00:00:33.000 But we decided...

00:00:34.000 We've got a bunch of people here.

00:00:35.000 Jimmy Burke's here.

00:00:36.000 Our friend Jimmy Burke from New York was in town for Brian's birthday party last night.

00:00:39.000 That's right.

00:00:39.000 Eddie Bravo's here, of course.

00:00:41.000 Brian Callen's here.

00:00:42.000 Brennan Shaw.

00:00:42.000 Robin Black's in town.

00:00:43.000 So Robin Black's here.

00:00:44.000 So it's going to be a lot of talking over each other, folks.

00:00:47.000 Okay?

00:00:47.000 Just deal with that.

00:00:48.000 Just deal with that.

00:00:49.000 We're going to watch the fights and...

00:00:52.000 And also, if you're expecting any of us to constantly watch the fights only, that's not going to happen either.

00:01:00.000 So there's no rules, okay?

00:01:01.000 Whatever expectations you have, release those, or whatever.

00:01:05.000 Release them.

00:01:06.000 Release them.

00:01:07.000 Alright, right now, we're playing it, we're going to start it, and we recorded it, so this is the first time we've got a recording, and we're going to watch the fights.

00:01:15.000 I'm going to fast forward to the...

00:01:17.000 When should I fast forward?

00:01:18.000 I should fast forward to the first fight, right?

00:01:19.000 It doesn't matter.

00:01:20.000 Just enjoy it.

00:01:21.000 Just let it run.

00:01:22.000 You guys already seen it anyways. 1.00

00:01:23.000 Let's watch the commercials, all that shit. 0.99

00:01:25.000 Oh, I'm excited about this one. 0.99

00:01:26.000 But the problem is we can't really play it out loud where we can hear it on the podcast.

00:01:32.000 I know.

00:01:32.000 But that's what I'm saying.

00:01:33.000 So we might as well just fast forward through all this nonsense.

00:01:35.000 Just to the fights. 0.99

00:01:35.000 Yeah, you don't want to watch all this pregame bullshit. 0.99

00:01:37.000 It's kind of like porn. 1.00

00:01:38.000 So there's some good fights in this fucking card. 0.99

00:01:40.000 There's good fights in actuality and good fights on fit. 0.99

00:01:44.000 Yes!

00:01:45.000 Masvidal and Cowboy.

00:01:46.000 Dude.

00:01:47.000 Yeah.

00:01:47.000 Dude.

00:01:48.000 Damn, and he really doesn't know the result. 1.00

00:01:50.000 I love this. 0.99

00:01:51.000 I love the just...

00:01:52.000 Man.

00:01:53.000 I had to watch that fight.

00:01:54.000 I just had to.

00:01:54.000 I've been out of the loop.

00:01:55.000 I want to hear...

00:01:56.000 I can't wait for your breakdown, Robin Black. 1.00

00:01:58.000 So, here we go.

00:01:59.000 We're fast-forwarding through John Anik and his super-metrosexual tie selection.

00:02:04.000 I love it!

00:02:05.000 I love that tie!

00:02:06.000 The both of the Moroccan purple ties.

00:02:08.000 I love them.

00:02:09.000 Maybe it's an homage to Prince.

00:02:12.000 So, we'll fast-forward through this.

00:02:15.000 It's breast cancer month.

00:02:16.000 Yeah, why not, man?

00:02:17.000 So, the first fight is Alex Caceres versus...

00:02:21.000 What's homeboy's name that he fights?

00:02:25.000 Oh, he fights a dude from Alan Belcher's camp.

00:02:28.000 He's a wild man.

00:02:29.000 The Red Knight.

00:02:30.000 Jason Knight.

00:02:31.000 Jason Knight, that's right. 0.99

00:02:32.000 He's fucking good. 1.00

00:02:33.000 Yeah, he's very good, and he's crazy. 1.00

00:02:35.000 And he's got a really good guard, too. 1.00

00:02:37.000 He talks mad shit inside the octagon, too. 0.99

00:02:40.000 He had this fight, and he was screaming at this dude, going, come on, man, take me down. 1.00

00:02:44.000 No, you want to take me down? 1.00

00:02:45.000 You want to stand with me, bitch? 1.00

00:02:46.000 Yeah, he said, you know you want to take me down, bitch? 1.00

00:02:48.000 Do it! 1.00

00:02:49.000 I was like, damn! 0.99

00:02:51.000 Hilarious. 0.99

00:02:52.000 Hilarious.

00:02:53.000 That came out on the broadcast?

00:02:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:54.000 Well, I was laughing while it was happening because I was doing the commentary while I was going down.

00:02:59.000 Not during this broadcast.

00:03:00.000 It was another broadcast.

00:03:01.000 This fight is with him and Alex Caceres.

00:03:05.000 So this is a...

00:03:08.000 Like a kind of a sleeper of a fight.

00:03:10.000 Yeah, cool fight. 0.72

00:03:10.000 Alright, here we go. 0.72

00:03:11.000 Boom.

00:03:12.000 Alright, so for the folks at home, what we'll do is when the first fight starts, right now they're showing the side-by-side comparisons, the heights and weights in jazz, Tale of the Tape, and now Bruce Buffer's doing a little introduction here.

00:03:24.000 Why do they call it the Tale of the Tape?

00:03:25.000 It's been that for 50 years.

00:03:27.000 But somebody invented that.

00:03:29.000 That was new ones.

00:03:30.000 Well, you know what's weird, man?

00:03:31.000 How come they stopped measuring legs?

00:03:34.000 They measured legs for a little while and then they stopped measuring legs.

00:03:36.000 They were doing it.

00:03:38.000 The tape was measuring tape.

00:03:40.000 In boxing they measured legs?

00:03:42.000 No, in MMA, we were always complaining.

00:03:44.000 With Jon Jones, you're not fighting his arms. 0.99

00:03:46.000 You're fighting his arms and his fucking legs. 1.00

00:03:48.000 And he's so tall. 1.00

00:03:49.000 A lot of guys.

00:03:50.000 A lot of guys.

00:03:50.000 It was Joe Silva who asked for a leg reach, I think.

00:03:53.000 Yes. 1.00

00:03:54.000 Joe asked for a lot of shit. 1.00

00:03:55.000 He's the reason why Mickey Gall's, Hey Mickey, you're so fine, you're so fine, you'll blow my mind. 1.00

00:04:01.000 That's how it got on the broadcast, because Dana White was like, fuck that, you can't play that song for Mickey Gall when he fought CM Punk. 0.62

00:04:08.000 You know Dana's so particular, he goes through all the walkout songs before because he loves music. 0.97

00:04:13.000 He shot one of my walkout songs down, The Night Before the Fight.

00:04:16.000 What was the song?

00:04:17.000 It was, I forget, in Brazil.

00:04:20.000 It was some cool song.

00:04:21.000 I thought it was cool.

00:04:22.000 It was like a dance song.

00:04:23.000 And I get a call.

00:04:24.000 My coach is like, hey, it's Dana White. 0.99

00:04:27.000 I'm like, oh shit, what's going on? 0.99

00:04:28.000 Am I getting a bonus early or something? 0.99

00:04:29.000 Because I thought I was going to knock Noguera out. 1.00

00:04:31.000 I'm like, just give it to me now.

00:04:32.000 And he's like, hey, that walkout sound's not happening.

00:04:35.000 Pick something else.

00:04:36.000 I was like, yes sir.

00:04:38.000 What did you pick?

00:04:42.000 Eminem Square Dance.

00:04:43.000 Oh, okay.

00:04:44.000 Alright, Alex Caceres and Jason Knight, 457, 456, 455, 454, 453. Alright, sync it up.

00:04:52.000 Caceres just shoveled the left hand right away.

00:04:54.000 Oh, good inside leg kick by Caceres.

00:04:57.000 Caceres is super underrated.

00:04:58.000 You gotta remember what Yair Rodriguez did to BJ Penn, and then think of him and Caceres.

00:05:05.000 They essentially fought to basically what might have been a draw.

00:05:08.000 That's a style matchup, though, don't you think?

00:05:10.000 For me, with Bruce Leroy, I like him.

00:05:14.000 He's fun to watch.

00:05:14.000 He's so hot and cold.

00:05:16.000 He's on, he's off.

00:05:17.000 He's on, he's off.

00:05:17.000 Greg Jackson used Leroy for most of the sparring rounds for BJ. No kidding.

00:05:22.000 Yeah, he was his main sparring guy, and he was doing great with him.

00:05:25.000 I actually thought BJ did very well in the first two minutes.

00:05:28.000 The difference between what Yair does and Alex does is Alex's strikes, they come in high volume, interesting angles, he's very creative, but they're not instantaneously lethal. 0.95

00:05:40.000 Yair can fuck you up with one shot and put you on queer street. 1.00

00:05:45.000 Kicker in MMA history. 1.00

00:05:46.000 You know what?

00:05:47.000 You gotta see him against a world-class Muay Thai guy.

00:05:51.000 That's what you gotta see.

00:05:51.000 I see him in the UFC. That's what I'm seeing.

00:05:55.000 Every now and then someone lands a Kung Fu kick.

00:05:58.000 Every now and then someone lands one of those Kung Fu kicks.

00:06:01.000 Every now and then.

00:06:01.000 He lands multiple every fight.

00:06:04.000 Who does that?

00:06:06.000 Those are Jet Li kicks that he is landing.

00:06:10.000 Nobody else is landing Jet Li kicks.

00:06:12.000 Who's doing that?

00:06:13.000 BJ Penn always fights from a boxing distance.

00:06:16.000 In a lot of ways, his style is tailor-made.

00:06:18.000 He's an older guy.

00:06:19.000 He hasn't fought in two plus years.

00:06:21.000 Before that, he got worked by Frankie Edgar.

00:06:23.000 So you're talking about a BJ Penn that's been seriously out of the loop for a long time. 0.99

00:06:28.000 And then he steps in there against this fucking bandolero. 1.00

00:06:31.000 This dude throwing 360 round kicks. 0.99

00:06:33.000 I mean his style like it was almost like everything was tailor-suited for Yair Rodriguez.

00:06:39.000 You know what I'm recommending for my fighters?

00:06:41.000 I'm recommending them talking.

00:06:42.000 I told a couple of them that they should start just doing a local Sunday Taekwondo class.

00:06:49.000 That's a good idea.

00:06:50.000 Just like once a week just to get the spins down. 0.69

00:06:52.000 We know it works.

00:06:53.000 We know it's effective.

00:06:55.000 Look, Yair's proven it.

00:06:56.000 Every MMA fighter out there should be emulating Yair, right?

00:07:00.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:07:01.000 I think the days of coming out, and of course, I don't know anything about striking, but the days of coming out and just boxing and throwing a leg kick every now and then, I think that's not going to work in the future.

00:07:10.000 It's not going to work against a guy like John Jones, Conor McGregor.

00:07:14.000 You see these guys throwing all those Taekwondo Kung Fu kicks successfully.

00:07:19.000 If you're an MMA fighter up there, you coming up, I think you should start taking Taekwondo now.

00:07:23.000 I think you got a good point, but I think if you watch Glory, there's a good fight that I talked about recently because I got Joseph Valtellini on.

00:07:30.000 He used to be Glory.

00:07:31.000 Yeah, George Wicked. 0.97

00:07:32.000 He's wicked.

00:07:32.000 I love that guy.

00:07:33.000 Wicked kickboxing champion.

00:07:34.000 Really good guy, too.

00:07:35.000 But anyway, he fought Raymond Daniels. 0.99

00:07:36.000 He's one of the best at throwing those wild, crazy fucking kicks. 0.98

00:07:39.000 Oh, Leroy's looking good, man. 0.99

00:07:40.000 Yeah.

00:07:41.000 I mean, what Raymond Daniels did inside the octagon, or inside the Glory ring, he threw a flying sidekick, touched the dude, and then spinning back kicked him in the air in the face.

00:07:52.000 Oh, so they There's guys like that in glory. 0.99

00:07:54.000 Raymond Daniels is a wild motherfucker. 1.00

00:07:57.000 Like the Matrix. 1.00

00:07:58.000 So you would see him doing the same kind of stuff that Yair Rodriguez does. 0.98

00:08:02.000 You would say, oh my god, if this guy gets in the UFC, he's going to fuck everybody up. 0.93

00:08:05.000 But Joseph Valtellini just chopped him down. 0.99

00:08:08.000 Fundamentals.

00:08:09.000 Pressure, too. 0.98

00:08:10.000 Pressure, really strong physical guy, high guard, super tight defense, and just kept kicking the fuck out of his legs. 0.71

00:08:17.000 You've got to do both, though.

00:08:18.000 Western boxing, Muay Thai, Taekwondo mixture.

00:08:21.000 No, I totally agree with you.

00:08:22.000 What I'm saying is we need to see a Yair against a guy like a Niki Holtzkin or a guy like a Joseph Valtellini.

00:08:30.000 They have that super powerful, low-kick fundamental game.

00:08:33.000 We don't have a lot of guys that are that strong at that inside the octagon.

00:08:36.000 Yeah, I'm sorry.

00:08:37.000 Joe would mutilate him.

00:08:38.000 Joe Valtellini would just rip him. 0.78

00:08:40.000 Now, MMA is a different thing, but if they kickbox, Joe would just destroy him.

00:08:43.000 Well, Joe's way larger than him, so it's not a good matchup, period.

00:08:46.000 Technique-wise, though, in fundamentals.

00:08:48.000 Valtellini's just on another level when it comes to his kickbox, his leg kicks.

00:08:51.000 Are you serious?

00:08:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:53.000 We're only talking kickboxing.

00:08:55.000 We're only talking kickboxing.

00:08:56.000 I think I'm talking, yeah, I get what you're saying.

00:08:59.000 But he's landing it, so when I... But against BJ. Against BJ. Yes.

00:09:03.000 But in MMA, with the threat of being taken down.

00:09:05.000 There's a threat of being taken down.

00:09:07.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:09:09.000 You could do wild shit in kickboxing because there's no threat of getting choked out. 0.99

00:09:14.000 That's true. 0.99

00:09:15.000 But those guys are way better, too.

00:09:17.000 They're way better at leg kicks. 0.97

00:09:18.000 Way higher level.

00:09:20.000 But in a real fight, though.

00:09:22.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:09:23.000 Because he's doing it in a real fight, so he's better.

00:09:36.000 He's in deep.

00:09:37.000 He's got enough time.

00:09:38.000 He's pushing up on the chin.

00:09:40.000 He's on the chin.

00:09:41.000 He should dance Severnum right there.

00:09:42.000 Someone threw a card in the octagon, man.

00:09:45.000 Someone threw a business card in the octagon.

00:09:48.000 That's weird.

00:09:49.000 Eddie, I think the reason you're seeing these kicks work is because guys weren't training them. 0.98

00:09:52.000 If everybody's training the same shit, you're supposed to do something different. 0.98

00:09:56.000 Everybody in the gym, they're training jab, cross, low kick, low kick, left hook. 0.99

00:10:00.000 They're doing all the same stuff.

00:10:01.000 If we all train the same stuff and our training partners train all the same stuff, we're not prepared for different stuff. 0.98

00:10:06.000 The thing about Yair, though, is Yair could do the other shit, too. 0.98

00:10:10.000 Yes. 0.99

00:10:10.000 Except for wrestling. 0.99

00:10:12.000 He's very good scrambling.

00:10:14.000 I think he's a purple belt or a brown belt.

00:10:15.000 Yeah, I think he's a purple belt.

00:10:16.000 I think he's purple.

00:10:17.000 Wrestling would be the big thing.

00:10:18.000 Wrestling would be an issue, but what I'm saying is his Muay Thai's good, too.

00:10:22.000 He's got real strong leg kick fundamentals.

00:10:24.000 He throws good elbows. 1.00

00:10:25.000 He throws wild shit. 0.99

00:10:27.000 Now, in that BJ Penn fight, if they got an instant rematch in another dimension... 1.00

00:10:33.000 Hopefully not, but yeah.

00:10:35.000 What would BJ do? 0.63

00:10:36.000 Pulling guard might be part of the strategy.

00:10:39.000 For BJ? Yes.

00:10:41.000 Because we already saw shit. 1.00

00:10:42.000 We took a glimpse. 1.00

00:10:43.000 You couldn't take him down with straight wrestling.

00:10:44.000 Always try.

00:10:45.000 First option should be try to take him down with straight wrestling, pass his guard, get on top, mount, take his back. 0.83

00:10:51.000 But if you can't take the guy down and he's beating you up standing, What else you gonna do?

00:10:59.000 BJ, BJ, there's an art to pulling guard.

00:11:02.000 BJ got chest to chest on him though.

00:11:03.000 There's an art to pulling guard.

00:11:04.000 It's just like a takedown. 0.99

00:11:05.000 You don't just sit on your butt. 0.99

00:11:07.000 You gotta shoot deep enough to make him sprawl. 1.00

00:11:10.000 Watch Paul Sass. 0.83

00:11:12.000 He shoots, they sprawl.

00:11:14.000 And then boom, now you got something.

00:11:17.000 But what you're describing is different again.

00:11:19.000 It's not the norm of what everybody's training and that's why it's a great idea.

00:11:23.000 I call it the third option.

00:11:25.000 In that case, pulling guard, especially BJ's a world champion black belt.

00:11:30.000 He should have a guard.

00:11:31.000 It's crazy that people don't pull guard.

00:11:33.000 You know what's crazy though?

00:11:33.000 BJ never taps anybody off his back.

00:11:35.000 BJ would always sweep guys. 1.00

00:11:36.000 He would always mount them, take the back, arm triangle.

00:11:40.000 Pull guard, sweep them out.

00:11:41.000 No, I'm just saying, it's just interesting that he never tapped anybody off his back.

00:11:45.000 Remember Noguera versus Tim Sylvia?

00:11:49.000 Noguera wanted to take him down.

00:11:51.000 Couldn't take him down. 0.98

00:11:52.000 Tim Silvio was fucking him up with that long jab. 0.89

00:11:55.000 What did Noguera do? 1.00

00:11:56.000 He shot for a weak ass single and then pulled guard. 1.00

00:11:59.000 Pulled half guard. 1.00

00:12:00.000 Yeah, pulled half guard.

00:12:02.000 Miguel Torres on Demetrius Johnson.

00:12:04.000 It was a trick.

00:12:05.000 He pulled and then he did a deep half sweep.

00:12:07.000 Got on top and guillotined him.

00:12:09.000 Miguel Torres did that over and over with Demetrius Johnson.

00:12:12.000 Yeah, people think pulling guard, I mean, it's like admitting you lost.

00:12:17.000 It's an ego thing.

00:12:19.000 It's like committing suicide.

00:12:20.000 But if it was committing suicide, for real, people think pulling guard, you're going to get killed pulling guard.

00:12:25.000 How come it's so hard to do? 1.00

00:12:26.000 How come when Vinny Magalas sits on his ass, his opponent goes, no, you stand up. 0.99

00:12:30.000 If it's suicide, he's letting you get on top. 0.99

00:12:34.000 Awesome stuff. 1.00

00:12:35.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:12:36.000 Man. 1.00

00:12:36.000 Knights on top. 1.00

00:12:37.000 He broke that, the two underhooks.

00:12:39.000 Oh, his head's back again.

00:12:40.000 I like how they stick to that body lock, right?

00:12:42.000 Instead of getting the hooks in, he goes straight to the body lock.

00:12:45.000 That is such a painful...

00:12:47.000 That's it, that's it. 1.00

00:12:49.000 Oh, the fence fucked him. 1.00

00:12:50.000 Wow, that was D. The old fence fuck. 1.00

00:12:52.000 He couldn't arch and sink it in. 1.00

00:12:54.000 That's a bad place to be, huh?

00:12:55.000 I love that choice too.

00:12:58.000 Sub to punches to sub to punches to sub to punches.

00:13:01.000 Powerful wing tattoos. 0.99

00:13:02.000 Yeah, because it's a terrible position to be in with that fucking body triangle squeezing down your abdomen. 0.98

00:13:07.000 This guy's a specialist on the body triangle too. 0.98

00:13:09.000 And right here, in the old days, it would be over already.

00:13:13.000 When they allowed pointed elbows to the back of the head, dudes would tap at us. 0.99

00:13:18.000 We've talked about this so many times, but I really do want to study on what kind of damage happens when you elbow someone in the back of the head, and why is it illegal?

00:13:25.000 We'd have to look at the guys back in the battlecade.

00:13:27.000 Remember, John Lewis did it to somebody.

00:13:29.000 He landed like three.

00:13:30.000 Boom, boom, boom.

00:13:31.000 You can lose your taste.

00:13:33.000 And Stikers, the judo guy.

00:13:35.000 Yeah.

00:13:35.000 Remember that?

00:13:36.000 I remember thinking, man, that's going to kill the rear naked choke. 0.99

00:13:39.000 No one needs a rear naked choke. 1.00

00:13:41.000 You're just going to get someone's back.

00:13:41.000 Look at that wrist drive.

00:13:42.000 Elbows and it's open.

00:13:43.000 Heavy hips and elbows.

00:13:44.000 Yeah, you don't need a rear naked choke. 1.00

00:13:45.000 Can you do elbows?

00:13:47.000 Oh no, just open hand and you're in the submission.

00:13:49.000 To the side.

00:13:49.000 To the back of that?

00:13:50.000 To the side.

00:13:50.000 Not to the back of that.

00:13:52.000 Just, it's, Same target.

00:13:54.000 How are you going to stop someone from falling through with that elbow?

00:13:57.000 I know.

00:13:58.000 Oh! 0.60

00:13:58.000 I know a guy. 0.60

00:13:59.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:14:01.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:14:01.000 It's on the chin.

00:14:02.000 Guys are finishing on the chin these days.

00:14:06.000 You can't do it on the chin.

00:14:08.000 You can't do it with just a straight gable grip.

00:14:10.000 He's relentless.

00:14:11.000 Over the chin, you sink it in deep.

00:14:13.000 Great defense.

00:14:14.000 He is doing good.

00:14:16.000 He's in the worst case scenario and he's fighting and now he's got the...

00:14:19.000 Don't you think that the hair, when it comes to guillotines and things like that, it's going to offer you just a touch more friction.

00:14:25.000 And it's going to make it harder to get out of stuff.

00:14:27.000 Texture.

00:14:28.000 Or harder to get into.

00:14:29.000 Yes, that too, right?

00:14:30.000 His hair might get in the way of some chokes. 1.00

00:14:32.000 I bet it would.

00:14:33.000 It looks like he'd be part of Darce.

00:14:35.000 Right.

00:14:36.000 By the way, speaking of hitting in the back of the head, I know somebody who got hit in the back of the head and lost their taste buds.

00:14:41.000 He got hit once.

00:14:42.000 You could go deaf, too.

00:14:43.000 He could never taste again.

00:14:45.000 What did he get hit with?

00:14:46.000 With a punch in the back of the head.

00:14:47.000 And he could never taste again.

00:14:50.000 Hey Eddie, after...

00:14:51.000 So if someone says you have no taste.

00:14:52.000 When you put that body triangle in and they take the other leg and extend, you get the other foot underneath his leg.

00:14:58.000 You butterfly the other leg.

00:15:00.000 Whose foot?

00:15:01.000 In the scenario, I got the body lock here and this other foot extending...

00:15:05.000 Whose foot?

00:15:06.000 I'll show you right here.

00:15:07.000 Oh, there it is.

00:15:08.000 Look over.

00:15:08.000 This foot, I've got the body triangle.

00:15:10.000 This foot here, I've got behind...

00:15:12.000 So this is people listening to this.

00:15:14.000 Try to explain it.

00:15:16.000 It's the body lock that you've seen right now.

00:15:19.000 Yeah, that one.

00:15:19.000 The white foot you see right there.

00:15:21.000 Why is he hooking that in there just to add...

00:15:23.000 Yep.

00:15:23.000 Control.

00:15:24.000 Did he tap?

00:15:24.000 Oh, he just got him.

00:15:25.000 Yeah, he tapped. 1.00

00:15:26.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:15:26.000 It's a matter of time. 1.00

00:15:27.000 That was too hard to keep on.

00:15:29.000 The leverage on that.

00:15:30.000 Yeah, just added control.

00:15:31.000 The leg that's not under the knee is with the extended leg.

00:15:35.000 So you've got the one leg that's controlling, and then that instep is locked under, say if you've got it on the right side.

00:15:40.000 The other one you use as a butterfly, and you control the leg.

00:15:43.000 And if you elevate his leg, it makes it way more difficult for him to do anything about it.

00:15:47.000 One more step.

00:15:47.000 One more step he has to address.

00:15:48.000 Yeah, it's also very hard to...

00:15:50.000 It takes away his mobility, right, Joe?

00:15:54.000 Yeah, because you want to get...

00:15:56.000 If you've got a body triangle in, you want to have your opponent on his side, and you want the cinched part to be on top.

00:16:04.000 So he wants it on the other side, so that butterfly hook keeps your angle. 0.64

00:16:10.000 Like, we're going to keep you right here on the good side for me.

00:16:13.000 Keeps you where you want to be in conjunction.

00:16:15.000 Right there, you see that?

00:16:16.000 But he can't go over the other side.

00:16:18.000 He's doing the wrong side here, but he doesn't care.

00:16:20.000 He's dealing with it.

00:16:22.000 Because it puts a lot of pressure on your ankle.

00:16:24.000 It's not a good position.

00:16:25.000 I wonder if you could...

00:16:26.000 Eddie, can you loosen up your ankle so that that doesn't bother you?

00:16:29.000 Some people, it doesn't matter.

00:16:31.000 After you do it for a while, you stretch your...

00:16:33.000 It doesn't matter.

00:16:34.000 You want the cinch to be on top.

00:16:37.000 But if it's on bottom, sometimes you can switch it.

00:16:39.000 But you're like, I'm just going to leave it there.

00:16:41.000 It doesn't really matter.

00:16:41.000 Did you say he trains out of Belcher's camp?

00:16:43.000 Yeah, I think he's Belcher's guy.

00:16:44.000 Is he Belcher's guy?

00:16:45.000 This is the thing that ballerinas do where they shove their foot into this big rubber strap and your foot normally wants to sit like this. 1.00

00:16:55.000 This big rubber strap will bend it down so that your foot is parallel with your shin bone.

00:17:00.000 It's amazing what the human body will react and respond to and adapt to.

00:17:04.000 It's amazing. 0.98

00:17:05.000 But if you could get that going on, then the fucking body triangle wouldn't bother you at all if somebody used that defense. 0.98

00:17:10.000 Why are we watching a Geico commercial? 1.00

00:17:13.000 Fuck all that. 1.00

00:17:14.000 So, powerful Jason Knight. 0.99

00:17:17.000 Well, now the people at home aren't synced.

00:17:19.000 Yeah, we're going to tell them how to sync it up on the next one.

00:17:21.000 So we're fast forwarding Jason Knight.

00:17:24.000 Let's see what he has to say.

00:17:25.000 Because they can fast forward. 1.00

00:17:26.000 Yeah, he's not afraid to say some shit. 1.00

00:17:28.000 Jamie, we have... 1.00

00:17:29.000 He's going to call somebody out.

00:17:33.000 It's always frustrating when guys don't call someone out.

00:17:35.000 Whoever they want to give me.

00:17:38.000 Powerful Brian Stanley.

00:17:41.000 Oh, don't surrender it!

00:17:43.000 Oh, Brian stayed with it.

00:17:46.000 He's Tim T-Bone.

00:17:47.000 His dad just passed.

00:17:48.000 Oh, he did?

00:17:49.000 Okay.

00:17:51.000 Heavy accent.

00:17:57.000 Mississippi.

00:17:59.000 Oh, his dad just died?

00:18:00.000 Last year, though.

00:18:02.000 Five days ago last year.

00:18:03.000 We're in a Christian country, ladies and gentlemen.

00:18:06.000 Take your mouthpiece out, son.

00:18:09.000 Don't say mostly, too.

00:18:11.000 That's NBC, sir. 1.00

00:18:14.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

00:18:16.000 Who's that? 1.00

00:18:16.000 Duho Choi. 1.00

00:18:18.000 Did you see that fight with him and Cub Swanson?

00:18:19.000 We watched it together, Cub Swanson, remember?

00:18:21.000 I do not think you should be asking for that fight.

00:18:24.000 I don't remember fights.

00:18:25.000 You and I watched it.

00:18:26.000 I'm not you.

00:18:27.000 It was chaos.

00:18:28.000 It was one of the craziest fights ever. 0.99

00:18:29.000 Your boy Kelvin fucked up Kennedy. 0.96

00:18:31.000 Remember that night? 0.99

00:18:32.000 Your boy Kelvin fucked up Ted Kennedy. 0.96

00:18:34.000 I remember that. 0.97

00:18:34.000 That was us together. 0.97

00:18:35.000 Oh, okay.

00:18:36.000 Duho Choi and Cub Swanson had one of the craziest fights of all time.

00:18:40.000 Of all time.

00:18:41.000 It was beautiful. 0.99

00:18:42.000 It was a fucking full-on slobber knocker. 1.00

00:18:45.000 Nuts. 1.00

00:18:46.000 And who won?

00:18:47.000 Cub.

00:18:47.000 Cub won, yeah.

00:18:48.000 Yeah, it was like a full-on slobber knocker, man.

00:18:51.000 The handsome kid.

00:18:52.000 Best athlete in the building.

00:18:53.000 Fantastic.

00:18:54.000 Jeez.

00:18:55.000 Best teeth in the building.

00:18:56.000 Hannibal Buress.

00:18:57.000 You talking about my friend Hannibal? 0.99

00:18:58.000 I hope he dies. 0.99

00:18:58.000 Him, too. 0.99

00:18:58.000 Hannibal Buress right there. 0.99

00:18:59.000 Who dies? 0.99

00:19:00.000 He's fucking funny. 0.99

00:19:02.000 Hannibal or Christian McCaffrey? 0.99

00:19:03.000 As we get older, a part of us dies.

00:19:05.000 No, the handsome guy.

00:19:05.000 The young men, they take all our women.

00:19:08.000 The handsome guy.

00:19:09.000 Best white athlete in college football.

00:19:11.000 Is that real?

00:19:12.000 Running back, son.

00:19:13.000 That's real.

00:19:14.000 Isn't his dad...

00:19:15.000 Ed McCaffrey.

00:19:17.000 That's the best running back in college football?

00:19:20.000 Fullback.

00:19:20.000 No, tailback.

00:19:22.000 No.

00:19:22.000 Tailback.

00:19:23.000 This is the...

00:19:23.000 James 2nd and Heisman.

00:19:24.000 Two years ago.

00:19:25.000 I'm trying to do a breakdown on that next week.

00:19:27.000 No.

00:19:27.000 On Holman.

00:19:28.000 It's not 1943. I know.

00:19:29.000 Isn't it cool?

00:19:30.000 That's not the best running back.

00:19:31.000 Come on. 1.00

00:19:31.000 Trump's president and we got a white fucking running back killing it. 1.00

00:19:34.000 Impossible. 1.00

00:19:35.000 I don't believe you.

00:19:36.000 It's possible with all the new vitamins.

00:19:38.000 Impossible. 0.98

00:19:40.000 He's a freak, man.

00:19:43.000 His dad was an NFL All-Pro, so that's where he gets it.

00:19:46.000 This Holly Holm-Jermaine Durandamy fight is not an easy fight for Holly Holm. 1.00

00:19:49.000 People don't realize this is a tough fight for her.

00:19:52.000 That Jermaine Durandamy is undefeated in Muay Thai. 1.00

00:19:54.000 She's got some preposterous fucking record. 1.00

00:20:00.000 I think it's like 46-0 or something like that. 1.00

00:20:02.000 Nunez already beat her, yeah?

00:20:03.000 In MMA. Yeah.

00:20:04.000 But Holly's a kickboxer. 1.00

00:20:06.000 The thing about it is, like, Holly's gonna strike with her. 0.88

00:20:08.000 Yeah, it's gonna be great.

00:20:09.000 That's a dangerous fight for Holly. 0.92

00:20:11.000 I bet you Holly takes her down. 1.00

00:20:12.000 Yeah, she might.

00:20:13.000 She has some good inside trips.

00:20:14.000 She's big, athletic.

00:20:15.000 She fights so well going backwards, too.

00:20:16.000 Holly loses this one? 0.98

00:20:17.000 You got three in a row? 0.98

00:20:18.000 Goddamn, how are we gonna sell this? 0.98

00:20:19.000 Yeah, she knows that. 0.99

00:20:20.000 Isn't it crazy?

00:20:21.000 This sport just changes so quick.

00:20:23.000 Did you work with her?

00:20:23.000 Yeah.

00:20:24.000 No one stays at the top for very long.

00:20:26.000 She was in there.

00:20:27.000 I never worked with her.

00:20:28.000 She was in there.

00:20:28.000 Great, great person.

00:20:29.000 Freak. 0.89

00:20:30.000 Freak. 1.00

00:20:30.000 It's crazy how this fucking sport just chews people up. 1.00

00:20:33.000 You think you're on top, and then it's over. 1.00

00:20:36.000 But the casual fan doesn't care.

00:20:38.000 That's why that pay-per-view is sell, because the casual fan goes, oh, that's the girl who murked Ronda Rousey. 1.00

00:20:42.000 That's the argument for McGregor versus...

00:20:45.000 Floyd Floyd. 0.99

00:20:46.000 It's fucking happening, son. 0.99

00:20:47.000 It's happening. 1.00

00:20:47.000 Did you see it happening? 1.00

00:20:50.000 It's going to happen.

00:20:51.000 Did you see it?

00:20:52.000 So, McGregor held a press conference last night.

00:20:55.000 Sold out arena.

00:20:56.000 5,000 tickets sold out. 1.00

00:20:57.000 He got on the mic and goes, fuck the UFC. Fuck everything. 1.00

00:21:01.000 He said, fuck boxing and fuck you. 1.00

00:21:03.000 Yeah, and he goes, the next fight is me versus Floyd. 1.00

00:21:07.000 He goes, Floyd, get it fucking done. 0.84

00:21:08.000 And then he goes, I'm going to do it with or without the UFC. And they told Dana that. 0.99

00:21:12.000 And he goes...

00:21:12.000 Good luck with that.

00:21:13.000 Yeah, good luck with that.

00:21:14.000 Good luck getting that done without me.

00:21:15.000 Well, he said that he believes with the Ali Act, he can actually do it because it's a different sport.

00:21:21.000 He has the money to hire the lawyers to try it.

00:21:23.000 Well, it is an interesting argument because it's not MMA. It's boxing.

00:21:28.000 So if it's boxing, he doesn't have a contract in boxing.

00:21:32.000 The UFC should just promote it anyways and work together with Floyd.

00:21:35.000 But the thing is, it's not just with Floyd.

00:21:37.000 It's with McGregor Promotions now.

00:21:39.000 That's the key.

00:21:40.000 He's got his own thing.

00:21:40.000 He wants to co-promote.

00:21:42.000 Because they don't want to have a third middleman in Dana White.

00:21:45.000 Because you have Conor McGregor promotions, Floyd Mayweather, and then the UFC. They don't want to give the UFC a percentage.

00:21:50.000 It's going to become what boxing is.

00:21:52.000 It's going to become that.

00:21:54.000 Because it's star-driven, like all things.

00:21:57.000 Like music, like comedy, like everything.

00:21:59.000 It's going to stay star-driven.

00:22:01.000 And when it's star-driven like that, guys like Conor, who are legitimate stars, they have the leverage.

00:22:07.000 And they're going to manipulate that leverage, they're going to utilize that leverage, and we're going to see what happens.

00:22:11.000 Who is she right now? 1.00

00:22:12.000 Biggest star we've ever had.

00:22:13.000 I hate the reality that it is star-driven, but it is a reality.

00:22:16.000 But why do you hate that?

00:22:18.000 Because it's always been like that in boxing, right?

00:22:20.000 I mean, that's how they make the $100 million paydays.

00:22:23.000 He's a purist.

00:22:24.000 So am I. Yeah, me too.

00:22:25.000 But I would love to see Conor versus Floyd.

00:22:27.000 Rob and I were talking about fights.

00:22:29.000 This dude said he's never seen a fight he doesn't like.

00:22:32.000 He loves every fight.

00:22:33.000 I love every single fight.

00:22:34.000 Oh, I've hated a lot of fights.

00:22:35.000 Did you see Kimbo and Dada?

00:22:37.000 Okay, you got right to it quick, right to the point that maybe I did see one fight that I hated. 0.96

00:22:45.000 I've seen some shitty fights.

00:22:46.000 We were talking about that Hollick fight, and he was like, I liked him. 1.00

00:22:49.000 Get the fuck out of here, sir. 0.99

00:22:50.000 Get out of my studio. 1.00

00:22:52.000 We are hypnotizing each other out there.

00:22:54.000 What fight?

00:22:54.000 Halleck Gracie's last fight on Bellator.

00:22:56.000 That was a good fight.

00:22:56.000 I liked it too.

00:22:57.000 That was a good fight.

00:22:58.000 This is what I liked about that. 1.00

00:22:59.000 All bullshit aside, Halleck Gracie fought a fucking killer. 0.99

00:23:03.000 I mean, that guy knocked out Joe Schilling twice. 1.00

00:23:05.000 He knocked him out in kickboxing and he knocked him out in MMA. He's a fucking beast. 1.00

00:23:08.000 He's a very dangerous striker. 1.00

00:23:10.000 He's a very big guy and he's fucking scary. 1.00

00:23:13.000 He's a blaster. 0.99

00:23:14.000 And Halleck got through.

00:23:14.000 And did nothing.

00:23:15.000 No, no, no.

00:23:16.000 No, he avoided getting knocked out.

00:23:17.000 No, no, I'm not talking about Halleck.

00:23:18.000 I'm talking about your boy, who's a beast, did nothing.

00:23:21.000 Because he was scared.

00:23:21.000 He was worried about getting down.

00:23:23.000 He was scared to get strangled.

00:23:24.000 What he was scared of is what happened in the last minute of the last round. 0.99

00:23:28.000 When Halleck finally did take him down, passed his guard like butter, fucking mounted him, and had him in a bad spot. 0.99

00:23:34.000 Halleck was going to fuck him up. 0.99

00:23:35.000 If that fight kept going, if that was in the first minute of the first round, Halleck might very well have tapped that guy. 0.99

00:23:41.000 He couldn't do it.

00:23:43.000 If you guys think that was an entertaining fight, you're bad. 1.00

00:23:46.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:23:47.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:23:48.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:23:49.000 And you hated Kimbo vs. 1.00

00:23:52.000 Dada?

00:23:52.000 That was more entertaining than that.

00:23:54.000 I didn't hate it, but it was not a high-level fight.

00:23:57.000 I hated the fact that people were watching it on TV and both guys were severely unconditioned.

00:24:03.000 They were severely out of shape.

00:24:05.000 Dada died.

00:24:06.000 No, he didn't.

00:24:07.000 His heartbeat stopped.

00:24:09.000 They had to revive him.

00:24:09.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:24:11.000 Some of that is him adding to his own legend.

00:24:14.000 When I think about it honestly, I hated what the fight was about, but I love the fight.

00:24:18.000 The dynamic of what's happening between these two human beings in combat.

00:24:23.000 You mean Dada and Kimbo?

00:24:24.000 Yeah, even that one.

00:24:25.000 The dynamic between them is different than every other fight.

00:24:28.000 In their case, it's because... 0.99

00:24:30.000 Kill his mic. 1.00

00:24:30.000 Kill his mic, Jamie. 1.00

00:24:31.000 If it was my student, I would have killed him during the Halleck talk. 1.00

00:24:34.000 I hate what the fight was about.

00:24:35.000 Are you intrigued by the Conor McGregor, Floyd Mayweather, as if Conor McGregor could actually box with Floyd Mayweather?

00:24:41.000 Conor McGregor cannot box with Floyd Mayweather, but Conor McGregor, the only goal that he could have, the workable idea, is a backdoor hack.

00:24:49.000 Something where being unwilling to make it a boxing match, he is fighting him with two hands, but boxing...

00:24:56.000 Is not the definition of fighting with two hands.

00:24:58.000 Find a hack.

00:24:59.000 Find a backdoor.

00:24:59.000 What would Tim Ferriss do?

00:25:01.000 If you said, hey, Tim Ferriss, how do you beat Floyd Mayweather with a guy who's never...

00:25:05.000 You'd push him off the stand.

00:25:07.000 That's not a good example.

00:25:08.000 You'd watch someone else's idea and regurgitate it.

00:25:13.000 Yeah.

00:25:13.000 It's not that easy.

00:25:14.000 No, it's not.

00:25:15.000 But McGregor has found disruptions.

00:25:20.000 Uber is a disruption or Airbnb is a disruption on the hotel business.

00:25:25.000 Donald Trump is a disruption.

00:25:28.000 When you're using the Tim Ferriss example, a good reason why it sucks is because Tim did that whole show for CNN where he did a bunch of different things and learned them quickly. 0.95

00:25:36.000 And one of them he tried to do was jujitsu.

00:25:38.000 Yeah.

00:25:39.000 Good luck with all that.

00:25:40.000 Good luck learning jujitsu.

00:25:41.000 You know, a guy who's been doing jujitsu for 10 years can get drunk, stay up all night, show up drunk, and still play with you like you're a baby.

00:25:49.000 His name's John Jones.

00:25:50.000 Well, yeah, John Jones.

00:25:51.000 I mean, John Jones, like, I don't even think he's really ranked in jujitsu, although he could tap black belts.

00:25:55.000 He's such a freak.

00:25:57.000 But if John Jones wanted to, he could do whatever he wanted to.

00:26:01.000 I mean, if they're the same size, it doesn't matter.

00:26:04.000 Four months is not going to get you there.

00:26:05.000 The thought that I have is you can't beat him in boxing.

00:26:10.000 But what if there's some other answer?

00:26:12.000 And the answer to that is, well, in the hundred years, we've seen every answer. 0.99

00:26:17.000 If you believe that, if McGregor believes that, he's fucked. 0.90

00:26:20.000 What McGregor said that was really interesting yesterday in the press conference, he said, look, if it was a fight, it would be the easiest fight ever. 1.00

00:26:26.000 He goes, fuck UFC, fuck boxing. 1.00

00:26:28.000 If it's an actual fight, I'll fucking kill him. 1.00

00:26:31.000 It's a joke. 1.00

00:26:31.000 He's right. 1.00

00:26:32.000 He's like, so we're gonna limit it to hands, and you're playing a little game.

00:26:35.000 Okay, let's do it.

00:26:37.000 And that's interesting there, because that plays to the ego, and he's the only guy that could ever say that to Floyd.

00:26:42.000 Floyd's never faced a guy that says, listen, this is not even a fight.

00:26:47.000 This is a boxing match. 1.00

00:26:47.000 You want to fight, I will fuck you up. 1.00

00:26:49.000 Any day of the week, wake me up. 1.00

00:26:51.000 Wake me up and say you want to do it and I'll fucking kill you. 1.00

00:26:54.000 To win-win. 1.00

00:26:54.000 Yeah, and that's true. 1.00

00:26:55.000 He's also quite a bit bigger.

00:26:57.000 He's quite a bit bigger.

00:26:58.000 And fast.

00:26:58.000 And you have to be different.

00:27:00.000 If you go in and try to box him, you have to strike with him in some way that is different.

00:27:05.000 What that answer is, I don't know yet.

00:27:07.000 Box with MMA gloves.

00:27:09.000 People have to remember that Maidana, who is super unconventional, really wild and reckless, Maidana went 12 rounds twice with him, you know?

00:27:17.000 And so Floyd's not knocking guys dead.

00:27:20.000 He's not like, he's not Gernady Golovkin in people or Kovalev in people.

00:27:24.000 You know, it's a totally different kind of experience.

00:27:26.000 What Floyd does is minimize any offense and maximize his potential to put offense on you.

00:27:33.000 And he's a genius at it.

00:27:34.000 And if his output's super low, it's because that's what he can get away with.

00:27:37.000 And if his output is super high, It's because he's got you.

00:27:40.000 You know, I mean, he's a genius.

00:27:42.000 Floyd Mayweather is a boxing genius.

00:27:44.000 Yeah, that's why you can't beat him.

00:27:45.000 Unless there's some answer that doesn't yet exist.

00:27:48.000 Yeah, Conner's not going to go in there and just do the truce on boxing and sit in front of him.

00:27:51.000 People think that it's crazy. 0.99

00:27:53.000 Here's the other fucking X factor, and it's a real factor, and it happens in every goddamn sport. 1.00

00:27:58.000 Guys get old overnight. 0.99

00:27:59.000 And Floyd Mayweather is 30, what?

00:28:01.000 39 years old now?

00:28:02.000 Yeah, 39. 39 years old?

00:28:04.000 Probably 40 by the time this fight happens.

00:28:05.000 I mean, some guys it takes longer, some guys it's shorter.

00:28:08.000 Bernard Hopkins managed to get deep into his 40s and still be world class.

00:28:12.000 And he hasn't taken much punishment.

00:28:14.000 Floyd doesn't get hit.

00:28:16.000 He's only really been tagged by Mosley and Maidana.

00:28:18.000 Those are the guys who really tagged him.

00:28:20.000 And then earlier in his career he got hit a few times.

00:28:22.000 But Mosley sat him down.

00:28:25.000 Mosley wobbled him.

00:28:26.000 Yeah, he wobbled him.

00:28:27.000 One shot, and then he came back and dominated.

00:28:29.000 Yeah, he's a genius.

00:28:31.000 He's a boxing genius.

00:28:32.000 And as it goes on, if McGregor becomes predictable, so say this happens, and he becomes predictable in any way, even in ways that he doesn't understand that Floyd will read, then it just gets worse as the fight goes on.

00:28:45.000 He'll get outclassed all day.

00:28:46.000 So, somebody comes to you and says, this is happening, you're going to make $200 million, or whatever crazy amount of money you're going to make.

00:28:53.000 How do we do it?

00:28:54.000 And the answer is, you have to be very, very different.

00:28:56.000 You have to move away from Floyd, for sure.

00:28:59.000 You have to move away from him and draw him in.

00:29:01.000 And you've got to be different almost every round.

00:29:03.000 You've got to have a strategy that makes you unpredictable.

00:29:06.000 Good luck!

00:29:06.000 And even then, you have to hit somebody who's never hit.

00:29:09.000 You know what I'm thinking?

00:29:10.000 Muay Thai dumps. 1.00

00:29:11.000 I'm saying he ties him up and fucking leg trims him, slams him. 0.99

00:29:15.000 He does that a few times. 0.99

00:29:17.000 Give him something to think about. 1.00

00:29:18.000 Finks touching the ground, doing cool shit. 1.00

00:29:21.000 Mixed rules. 1.00

00:29:22.000 Something different. 0.93

00:29:23.000 If he could, you know, just one or two times, if they get in the clinch and there's some shit talking, something just decides to dump him, and you see Floyd's feet go flying up. 0.96

00:29:31.000 Embarrass him. 0.98

00:29:32.000 Floyd's a small man.

00:29:32.000 If you had a choice, what would you rather see them in a straight boxing match with boxing gloves or a boxing match with MMA gloves?

00:29:40.000 Floyd would never do that.

00:29:42.000 What do you think Floyd would want to do?

00:29:44.000 He would want the big gloves or the big gloves?

00:29:47.000 He would want the big gloves.

00:29:49.000 For defense, which is very important because it's really hard to get put.

00:29:53.000 It's a whole different game when you're getting around those little gloves. 0.91

00:29:56.000 You don't think Floyd would go damn with them little gloves? 0.84

00:29:59.000 His hands break a lot. 0.96

00:30:01.000 That's a great point.

00:30:02.000 And that's not his 4K. Your entire lifetime you've developed your style around the size of the mitt.

00:30:06.000 Yeah.

00:30:06.000 Yeah, you can't change that now.

00:30:07.000 Different games, son.

00:30:08.000 Everything changed. 0.96

00:30:09.000 But Connors giving up so goddamn much, throw a ball back to Connors. 0.88

00:30:15.000 Floyd's not in the business of giving you anything back. 0.83

00:30:18.000 How is that so weird, though?

00:30:21.000 He's the best boxer of all time.

00:30:24.000 Everything about his experience and his sensitivity is around his whole lifetime being built with this exact thing.

00:30:29.000 Sometimes he catches things in small little details.

00:30:31.000 And another factor is the speed of the incoming shots is going to be much faster. 0.97

00:30:35.000 When you're dealing with four ounce, there's guys in world-class boxing that are fast as fuck, right? 0.90

00:30:39.000 But they'd be faster if they had four ounce gloves on. 0.90

00:30:42.000 It's just a fact.

00:30:42.000 It's just a fact of physics.

00:30:44.000 And that speed almost might be indistinguishable to us, but to a fighter, it might be the difference between getting hit This motherfucker, 0.99

00:31:01.000 Ngannou, man, I've been calling his fights for a while. 0.98

00:31:04.000 When that guy walks into the cage, it sounds different.

00:31:07.000 He's huge.

00:31:08.000 Did you see his hand next to the stands?

00:31:10.000 Yeah, 256. Dude, he makes me look like a little tiny person he can keep in his pocket.

00:31:14.000 He's huge, man.

00:31:15.000 And Arlovsky's not small.

00:31:17.000 No, no, no.

00:31:17.000 He's a big dude.

00:31:18.000 And he's just solid as a rock, man.

00:31:22.000 He's French, yeah?

00:31:23.000 Yes.

00:31:23.000 He's French from Nigeria.

00:31:25.000 By way of the Congo.

00:31:25.000 Oh, Nigeria.

00:31:26.000 Yeah.

00:31:27.000 And he's just a super athlete, man.

00:31:31.000 They think he's the next big thing.

00:31:33.000 Well, you know, we've yet to see him against a really good wrestler.

00:31:36.000 I don't say anybody's the next big thing until they go with Kane.

00:31:40.000 You gotta go with Kane.

00:31:41.000 A healthy Kane.

00:31:42.000 That pressure.

00:31:42.000 You see what he did to Travis.

00:31:44.000 You see what he did to Rothwell. 1.00

00:31:45.000 He just does shit to people. 1.00

00:31:46.000 He gets his face in your chest and just... 1.00

00:31:48.000 He gets past all your bullshit and then puts it to you with a pace that you just can't take. 0.99

00:31:54.000 The real question with Kane is, can he still do that? 0.99

00:31:56.000 He's had so many injuries. 0.93

00:31:58.000 They pulled him off of his last fight because he's got stenosis, so his fucking spinal column is shrinking and they have to open him up and carve a path to nerves. 0.95

00:32:07.000 It's Steep Aver's JDS now. 0.90

00:32:08.000 That is what the next fight is?

00:32:10.000 Steep Aver's legit.

00:32:11.000 He just gave away this fight.

00:32:12.000 That's real.

00:32:14.000 I know who wins now.

00:32:15.000 Why?

00:32:15.000 No you don't.

00:32:16.000 What, because of Stipe?

00:32:17.000 JDS? No, because you said you'd like to see him fight against a better guy.

00:32:23.000 So that means...

00:32:23.000 I'm not listening.

00:32:26.000 I'm not listening.

00:32:27.000 I'm not listening.

00:32:27.000 Quiet, quiet, quiet.

00:32:28.000 No hands, please.

00:32:31.000 One thing about me is I take my MMA very seriously, guys.

00:32:34.000 I would have said the same thing before.

00:32:37.000 I do, dude.

00:32:38.000 It's my secret garden.

00:32:40.000 Well, I'm a combat enthusiast.

00:32:43.000 Well, I'm a sportsman, as you guys know, and I like to get up close and personal and impose my will on another man.

00:32:48.000 And Gano's feet look different too.

00:32:50.000 They're like thicker.

00:32:51.000 Like his heels.

00:32:52.000 How tall is he?

00:32:53.000 Is he 6'5"?

00:32:54.000 Giant.

00:32:55.000 Giant.

00:32:55.000 When Randy fought Brock Lesnar, he said that the distance was hard to gauge because his proportion was so weird.

00:33:04.000 So you can't actually, he's got an enormous reach.

00:33:06.000 And when your body shape is different like that, it tricks the eye.

00:33:10.000 The way when you look down the strip in Vegas, you can't tell how close and far away those hotels are.

00:33:15.000 Ngannou looks way bigger than Mr. Orlovsky, who's a good 240. But the thing about Ngannou is he's a natural size, too.

00:33:21.000 That's a big gentleman.

00:33:23.000 That's just who he is.

00:33:25.000 He's a giant dude. 1.00

00:33:26.000 Shob, you fuck guys this big? 1.00

00:33:27.000 I thought you just said, Shob, have you fucked guys this big? 1.00

00:33:30.000 He did, he did. 0.99

00:33:31.000 The answer is yes, both.

00:33:34.000 When necessary.

00:33:36.000 That is the correct answer.

00:33:38.000 Only when it rains.

00:33:39.000 Man, Arlovsky's only 37. Isn't that crazy?

00:33:42.000 He's got a lot of miles.

00:33:43.000 In MMA years, you're a tortoise, though.

00:33:45.000 But that's crazy.

00:33:46.000 Because in boxing, he's got a lot.

00:33:50.000 Right there, man.

00:33:50.000 He's running at him and throwing punches, too.

00:33:53.000 Well, he comes in behind that double right hand all the time.

00:33:55.000 You can see it coming now.

00:33:57.000 Yeah, he looks scary.

00:33:58.000 His footwork.

00:33:59.000 Yeah, he is already much improved.

00:34:03.000 See, he's trying to draw him forward.

00:34:05.000 Imagine him with Yair-style kicking. 0.96

00:34:08.000 You know that's coming.

00:34:11.000 Spooky.

00:34:12.000 Yikes.

00:34:13.000 There was that overhand, Arlovsky with the overhand right.

00:34:15.000 He had just twice done the double right hand.

00:34:17.000 The uppercut got him, too. 0.96

00:34:18.000 The uppercut's what did him in, I think.

00:34:19.000 Yeah, but you read Arlovsky's overhand right.

00:34:23.000 As soon as that overhand right is there, this is done.

00:34:25.000 He wants to be the guy to tell him to stop with the lightning bolts in the hair.

00:34:29.000 Should we do it now?

00:34:30.000 Should we do it online?

00:34:31.000 I don't know how it is in France, though. 0.98

00:34:32.000 Maybe he's just dominating bitches in France with that. 1.00

00:34:37.000 So I watch when we see the replay. 0.99

00:34:39.000 Our lofty's overhand right was the tell.

00:34:42.000 He called it, too.

00:34:43.000 He said he was going to knock him out in the first round.

00:34:45.000 Is that that bold of a prediction?

00:34:47.000 I'm a lot more impressed even than last time.

00:34:49.000 Well, it is for Travis Brown.

00:34:50.000 I mean, you gotta think Arlowski just knocked out Travis Brown a couple of fights ago.

00:34:53.000 He's lost his last three, though.

00:34:55.000 Now?

00:34:56.000 Yeah.

00:34:56.000 You can watch the right hand off of Arlowski, the overhand right.

00:34:59.000 Here, cut, there.

00:35:00.000 Now you got him.

00:35:01.000 Because you know what it is.

00:35:03.000 Boom! 0.99

00:35:03.000 Right behind the air there. 0.99

00:35:04.000 And look where his head position.

00:35:05.000 And Gano's head position is.

00:35:07.000 He knew exactly what was coming.

00:35:08.000 Dude, he lifted him off the ground with that uppercut.

00:35:12.000 What's his head position?

00:35:14.000 He knew what... 0.99

00:35:14.000 Oh, that is fucking beautiful. 0.99

00:35:16.000 So he planned... 0.99

00:35:17.000 He knew he was coming with the overhand right, so he... 0.99

00:35:19.000 That's some Conor McGregor shit right there. 0.98

00:35:21.000 Actually, Nate Diaz does that. 0.99

00:35:23.000 The Diaz brothers do that slip.

00:35:24.000 They use their right hand, the front hand.

00:35:26.000 But what's the front hand?

00:35:27.000 The Diaz brothers throw that hook from...

00:35:31.000 From Southpaw like that.

00:35:33.000 It's almost like a check.

00:35:35.000 Yeah.

00:35:35.000 You draw, slide out, head position is key, and then you come back over top.

00:35:40.000 That was by design.

00:35:41.000 It's so important that a referee know how hard a guy hits.

00:35:44.000 Because no one's complaining about that stoppage.

00:35:47.000 No. 0.99

00:35:47.000 But in other fights, that would have been a stoppage where people would go, what the fuck? 0.99

00:35:51.000 He only took a couple shots and he's down. 0.99

00:35:52.000 Give him a chance to recover.

00:35:54.000 Yeah, not with that one.

00:35:54.000 Yeah, with Ngannou, you're like, no, no, no, that's good, that's good, that's good.

00:35:57.000 He probably heard it.

00:35:58.000 He could probably hear the impact from his...

00:36:00.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:36:01.000 I would like to see him fight like a Rothwell, where that shot doesn't put him down, he just keeps coming for a little bit.

00:36:06.000 Rothwell's weird, eh?

00:36:06.000 Like squared up all the time and stuff?

00:36:10.000 Maybe it does.

00:36:10.000 We don't know.

00:36:11.000 Because he's beat up basically cans.

00:36:14.000 Then you give him Arlovsky, right?

00:36:15.000 He just murked Arlovsky.

00:36:16.000 He looked good, though, here now.

00:36:17.000 He looked good.

00:36:17.000 Do you remember when Ben Rothfeld fought Arlovsky and Arlovsky fucked him up?

00:36:21.000 Yeah.

00:36:22.000 Yeah, I mean, that was Arlovsky when he was in his Well, not even in his prime.

00:36:26.000 He was a little slipped by then.

00:36:26.000 Affliction, right?

00:36:27.000 Yeah, it was the affiction days.

00:36:28.000 It was a little past his prime.

00:36:30.000 Yeah.

00:36:30.000 You know, Arlovsky's prime was when he was in his 20s.

00:36:33.000 Brother, he went on a run in the UFC, though.

00:36:35.000 He's one fight away from a heavyweight title.

00:36:37.000 That's right.

00:36:38.000 Last, what?

00:36:39.000 Two years ago.

00:36:40.000 But do you remember when he was young?

00:36:41.000 Remember when he starched Paul Bontello with one punch?

00:36:43.000 He's my favorite.

00:36:44.000 He had a right hand that was like a piston, dude.

00:36:46.000 And it's almost like now you can see the wear and tear on his shoulders when he's throwing punches.

00:36:51.000 Stiff.

00:36:51.000 Like, he throws punches differently now.

00:36:53.000 Back then, everything was just laser-beamed straight.

00:36:57.000 Remember when he went to Wild Card and was just working with Freddie Roach and was, like, real tall and just getting knocked the fuck out left and right?

00:37:04.000 And then went to Jackson's.

00:37:05.000 But he was doing well after he trained with Freddie Roach.

00:37:07.000 He was doing really well against Fedor.

00:37:08.000 And then he just panicked.

00:37:10.000 He was lighting him up. 0.99

00:37:12.000 He was doing well and then he did that flying knee and Fedor was like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.98

00:37:16.000 Good dude! 0.99

00:37:18.000 Best timing in the game with his right hand.

00:37:20.000 It was just deceptive timing.

00:37:22.000 How about Fedor Mitrione coming up in like two weeks, right?

00:37:24.000 On Spike?

00:37:26.000 Yeah, that's weird.

00:37:27.000 I just feel bummed out that we never got to see Fedor in the UFC. I still feel bummed out about it.

00:37:33.000 There's an empty hole in my heart for that one.

00:37:35.000 And he's not at his best.

00:37:36.000 It'd be cool to see him at his best.

00:37:39.000 Did you see that Mel Dodano fight that he had?

00:37:42.000 Yes. 0.98

00:37:42.000 Maldonado fucked him up. 0.98

00:37:44.000 Maldonado should've got that decision. 0.99

00:37:44.000 I watched that like this. 0.99

00:37:46.000 It'll make you sick to your stomach.

00:37:47.000 Maldonado should've got that decision.

00:37:49.000 He should've.

00:37:49.000 Oh, you know the commission turned it.

00:37:51.000 They did?

00:37:51.000 Yeah, they did.

00:37:52.000 In Russia?

00:37:53.000 To a no contest.

00:37:54.000 In Russia?

00:37:54.000 Look that up, Jamie.

00:37:55.000 I might be... 0.98

00:37:56.000 Batshit crazy. 0.96

00:37:57.000 I'm pretty sure they switched it. 0.98

00:37:59.000 In Russia?

00:38:00.000 I think only one side, he got no contest. 1.00

00:38:02.000 Even Russia was like, alright, we fucked up. 1.00

00:38:05.000 Wow, that's when you know you got jobbed. 1.00

00:38:07.000 Russia? 0.61

00:38:09.000 They're like, enough.

00:38:11.000 Wow.

00:38:12.000 This guy.

00:38:13.000 But you know that?

00:38:14.000 When you're going to just go old school like Arlovsky did there, these young guys are going to intercept you every time.

00:38:20.000 Put your headphones on, Brian Callen.

00:38:22.000 You're on the microphone.

00:38:23.000 This is a podcast. 1.00

00:38:23.000 We've talked about this before, you son of a bitch. 1.00

00:38:26.000 Does he call anyone out here? 1.00

00:38:28.000 Does Francis call anyone out here?

00:38:29.000 I don't know, man.

00:38:30.000 I haven't heard it.

00:38:31.000 Oh, he speaks zero English, huh?

00:38:32.000 Do you hate American dollars?

00:38:35.000 Crank that. 0.96

00:38:36.000 Yeah, Fedor's victory overturned.

00:38:43.000 He's trying.

00:38:45.000 Oh, that's not bad at all.

00:38:47.000 Good for him, man.

00:38:59.000 He said he wants big fights.

00:39:01.000 Yeah, well he said I'm very happy that he gave me a former champ.

00:39:04.000 I'm a believer in him now.

00:39:06.000 That was pure skill.

00:39:07.000 Look at this.

00:39:08.000 Head position coming off and bam.

00:39:10.000 So he pulled back there?

00:39:11.000 Yeah, draw back where your head is in space is the key.

00:39:15.000 And you take it off the shoulder.

00:39:17.000 Dude, he's terrifying.

00:39:18.000 He's the most terrifying heavyweight in a long time. 1.00

00:39:22.000 He read that shit coming from 20 miles away. 0.99

00:39:24.000 And the right hand combo is part of it. 1.00

00:39:26.000 So it's a designed play.

00:39:28.000 I guess his wrestling is pretty BC. They say, you know, granted it's the French wrestling team, but he trains with the Olympic wrestling team and he can't get his ass down. 0.99

00:39:38.000 Well, also the judo team. 0.81

00:39:39.000 They're bringing in all sorts of really high-level...

00:39:42.000 Look at the size of his hands.

00:39:45.000 They're bringing in a bunch of different Olympic-level athletes to work with this guy.

00:39:49.000 I mean, he's a real prospect.

00:39:51.000 I'm a believer now.

00:39:52.000 That was a skill win.

00:39:53.000 Best prospect we got.

00:39:54.000 Best prospect in a long time.

00:39:55.000 I still have skeptical hippo eyes.

00:39:57.000 I'm not a believer after I knocked him or lost me out.

00:39:58.000 No, it was just that was a skill win.

00:40:00.000 That was a designed play off an overhand right planned.

00:40:03.000 Rashad Evans right there.

00:40:04.000 Look at him.

00:40:05.000 Hey, Rashad.

00:40:07.000 I like it.

00:40:08.000 All right, Twitter, Brazil. 0.97

00:40:10.000 I think people are crazy. 0.63

00:40:14.000 At one point, Pena was the favorite.

00:40:16.000 It's like, do the oddsmakers not... 0.99

00:40:18.000 I know, who the fuck made those odds? 1.00

00:40:19.000 For a while, but then the public was like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:40:23.000 Yeah, we're gonna get money on this. 0.99

00:40:24.000 And then the favorite was...

00:40:25.000 And I got nothing against Pena, but you're looking at somebody with 400 fights.

00:40:30.000 Shevchenko.

00:40:31.000 Four hard fights she's got? 0.90

00:40:33.000 Hundreds of fights.

00:40:35.000 Kickboxing and boxing.

00:40:36.000 Hundreds of fights.

00:40:38.000 She's so hard, dude. 0.99

00:40:40.000 Shevchenko's so hard.

00:40:41.000 To take down?

00:40:42.000 No, no, no.

00:40:43.000 Hard.

00:40:44.000 Like a hard person.

00:40:45.000 She's a hard woman. 0.85

00:40:46.000 She's this Russian chick who loves guns. 1.00

00:40:49.000 I mean, her nickname is Bullet. 1.00

00:40:50.000 She has a gun tattoo on her hip.

00:40:55.000 She's tough.

00:40:57.000 We're going skill versus hard in this fight.

00:40:59.000 Oh, you guys already told me we won.

00:41:01.000 I haven't seen this fight.

00:41:04.000 I have not seen this fight.

00:41:05.000 No, we did not.

00:41:06.000 It's a crazy fight.

00:41:07.000 You're going to love this fight.

00:41:10.000 This fight is going to be an interesting fight, too.

00:41:12.000 Dennis Bermudez coming up is going to fight Korean Zombie.

00:41:16.000 No.

00:41:16.000 No, no, no.

00:41:17.000 Next weekend. 0.99

00:41:18.000 Dude, I think fucking Ian McCall's opponent pulled out. 1.00

00:41:22.000 What the fuck is going on? 0.99

00:41:24.000 It's like the fifth fight or sixth fight that got canceled for Ian. 1.00

00:41:28.000 Something's going on.

00:41:29.000 But the good news is it's two weeks for the fight.

00:41:31.000 He might get a replacement.

00:41:34.000 Yeah, they should be able to find someone.

00:41:36.000 Maybe.

00:41:37.000 It's hard, man.

00:41:38.000 Flyweight is not easy.

00:41:39.000 It's not easy to find a good flyweight.

00:41:41.000 Well, good's a different answer.

00:41:42.000 Maybe there's some young dude who's just biting, you know, waiting out there.

00:41:45.000 I'm sure there is.

00:41:46.000 There is.

00:41:47.000 As long as he can make the weight, man. 0.99

00:41:48.000 You know, because New York, they don't fuck around with that. 0.99

00:41:50.000 Oh, yeah, it's in New York. 0.99

00:41:51.000 Yeah, if you fuck up with the weight in New York, like if you're over by, I think it's eight pounds, they won't let you fight. 0.89

00:41:58.000 That's fair, too. 0.89

00:41:58.000 That happened in one of the cards. 0.89

00:41:59.000 That is fair.

00:42:01.000 It hurt the guy.

00:42:02.000 It happened on one of the cards.

00:42:03.000 It was Calvin.

00:42:05.000 That's right.

00:42:06.000 That's why they pulled him.

00:42:08.000 Tim Kennedy.

00:42:09.000 That's right. 0.99

00:42:10.000 And goddamn, he erased everybody's anger about that. 0.99

00:42:13.000 Everybody was so mad about that. 1.00

00:42:15.000 Calvin is a destroyer.

00:42:17.000 Unreal.

00:42:17.000 And he's one of the guys that I had a Taekwondo talk with.

00:42:20.000 And he goes, dude, he pulls out video of his training.

00:42:22.000 He goes, I'm already doing this.

00:42:23.000 He had like a session where he's spinning and just getting all the spins down.

00:42:26.000 And he's on it.

00:42:27.000 Imagine Calvin.

00:42:28.000 Get him on that nutritionist, son.

00:42:30.000 I think I won 85. Is he staying at 85?

00:42:33.000 No!

00:42:34.000 Oh no, he's fighting Vitor.

00:42:35.000 He's fighting Vitor.

00:42:36.000 That's a good fight.

00:42:38.000 Woodley?

00:42:38.000 It was a split decision, right?

00:42:39.000 And he was exhausted because he was drained.

00:42:42.000 See, I think at 70 he's the champ.

00:42:44.000 Sorry.

00:42:44.000 It's okay.

00:42:45.000 But he was drained for that fight.

00:42:47.000 He cut a ton of weight for that fight.

00:42:49.000 I don't like him at 70. I like him at 85. You like his chance to become world champ at 85?

00:42:52.000 I think he could do it.

00:42:53.000 I think he just has to gain some muscle.

00:42:55.000 He's only 5'9".

00:42:56.000 Look, he has to put on some mass.

00:42:58.000 Or figure out a way to comfortably make 170 in a much healthier way.

00:43:02.000 That's the answer.

00:43:02.000 Where he's not draining himself.

00:43:03.000 And he can be champ, though.

00:43:04.000 He can be champ at 170. The road to 170 is easier for him.

00:43:07.000 Yo, look.

00:43:07.000 Everybody gets tired, but he doesn't get tired.

00:43:09.000 That dude is still pumping it out in the third round.

00:43:12.000 And when he was overwhelming Kennedy in the third...

00:43:14.000 Was it the second or third round when he...

00:43:15.000 Both smashed him.

00:43:16.000 Second, right?

00:43:17.000 Did he stop him in the second or the third?

00:43:19.000 His pace was out of control.

00:43:21.000 His footwork.

00:43:22.000 That's what I thought the big factor.

00:43:25.000 I thought there were two big factors in that fight.

00:43:26.000 I thought, one, Tim's a big 185, and he's super strong, and his jiu-jitsu's real good.

00:43:31.000 If he gets Kelvin down, he might be able to blanket him and beat him up.

00:43:34.000 But when he started getting tired, I was like, he's going to have a real hard time with Kelvin's footwork.

00:43:40.000 Because Kelvin's footwork is nasty.

00:43:42.000 He's real light.

00:43:43.000 He balances around.

00:43:44.000 And he does a lot of feints.

00:43:47.000 He's not predictable.

00:43:48.000 And he comes in behind that long right jab. 0.99

00:43:50.000 He fucks you up, man. 1.00

00:43:51.000 He's a southpaw. 1.00

00:43:52.000 Sneaky southpaw.

00:43:53.000 He comes up with his right jab sometimes.

00:43:55.000 Sometimes he comes in.

00:43:56.000 He hooks you.

00:43:57.000 He digs to the body.

00:43:58.000 His grappling's good. 1.00

00:43:59.000 His chin is made out of fucking granite. 1.00

00:44:01.000 Yeah, he's a killer. 1.00

00:44:02.000 He's going to be tough to beat. 1.00

00:44:03.000 He's tough to beat.

00:44:05.000 Yeah, he's a cool little sweetheart of a guy.

00:44:09.000 After he beat Kennedy, I watched Swanson vs.

00:44:12.000 Choi with him, and he was just having the time of his life.

00:44:15.000 He was untouched.

00:44:17.000 That was a rough night for Tim.

00:44:20.000 Tim made a big mistake.

00:44:21.000 He went from one camp straight into the other camp, and apparently he was very flat, and they were saying that he was definitely overtrained.

00:44:27.000 I think he's overtrained.

00:44:28.000 I think he's one foot in, one foot out, too.

00:44:31.000 These guys, these new gen guys, they just understand the space between you better.

00:44:37.000 Like, they manipulate the space between you.

00:44:39.000 And we just saw it with Ngannou.

00:44:41.000 You know, he just has a better understanding of the space between you and his opponent.

00:44:45.000 Well, we got past the stand and bang phase. 1.00

00:44:48.000 That shit's done. 0.99

00:44:49.000 That stand and bang phase is done. 1.00

00:44:50.000 Yes, at a world-class level.

00:44:52.000 Stand and bang is done.

00:44:53.000 At a world-class level, yes.

00:44:54.000 And everybody wants to be world-class. 0.97

00:44:55.000 When you see guys like Conor McGregor raising that fucking bar, and then you see the new ones coming up, like the Yair Rodriguez, like the fucking Cody Garbrandt, who can be next level. 0.97

00:45:04.000 And what are they doing? 1.00

00:45:05.000 They're moving like a motherfucker. 1.00

00:45:06.000 Distance control movement. 1.00

00:45:07.000 There's no stand and bang.

00:45:08.000 It's calculated exchanges, calculated risks, world-class technique.

00:45:13.000 Everybody's accelerated.

00:45:14.000 Everything is way higher, way higher level.

00:45:16.000 And then they're at this new level and they're accelerating in their ability to improve from that level.

00:45:21.000 So it's like exponential and it's weird.

00:45:24.000 And then young guys coming up.

00:45:25.000 I commentated some fights between, I was telling Brendan, an 18-year-old named Tony Laramie and a 20-year-old named Keith Lee. 0.99

00:45:31.000 Kevin Liesel, a brother from Vegas, they were both 0-0 and it was some high level shit! 0.99

00:45:38.000 High level! 0.99

00:45:39.000 The way that they played at distance, the way that they manipulated the timing, it was fucking crazy for TKO for Fight Pass. 0.81

00:45:47.000 Yeah, no, nothing is getting, nothing is accelerating faster than high-level MMA right now.

00:45:52.000 If you go back 20 years ago and look at where it is today, there's not a sport in the world where you see that much of a jump between 20 years ago and today.

00:45:58.000 It's not a sport in the world.

00:45:59.000 It's like technology.

00:46:00.000 It's moving like technology.

00:46:02.000 It's evolving like a technology.

00:46:03.000 Exactly.

00:46:04.000 The question is, when are we going to see a guy who kicks like Yair and also has Joe Schilling-style Muay Thai and also can box like Cody Garber?

00:46:12.000 He's 13 right now.

00:46:13.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:46:15.000 There are 18-year-olds right now that are coming.

00:46:16.000 That are blowing your mind.

00:46:18.000 And that's why when you see a guy like Yair and you see this next level expression, you realize like, wow, the horizon is going to be bananas.

00:46:25.000 We're going to see guys like Yair fighting another guy like Yair.

00:46:29.000 And we're just going to see chaos.

00:46:30.000 And their level of performance, just their ability psychologically to fight, and that's growing exponentially.

00:46:36.000 But Conor's raising that individually by himself.

00:46:40.000 He is raising everyone's expectations for how someone performs under pressure. 0.98

00:46:44.000 He steps in there against Jose Aldo and fucking sleeps him in 13 seconds in a fight that he's been talking shit about for a year. 0.99

00:46:51.000 For a straight solid year, world tour, telling everybody he's going to fuck him up. 0.99

00:46:56.000 And he goes and starches him with one punch. 0.99

00:46:58.000 In exactly the way that you knew if he was going to do it.

00:47:01.000 Drawing.

00:47:02.000 And that was a punch you had seen him use.

00:47:04.000 And that strike he'd been using in England and Ireland before he ever fought.

00:47:10.000 He was landing that in space, drawing you forward.

00:47:13.000 It's one of my favorite tweets ever that I tweeted him in like 2013. I said, I'm a big fan.

00:47:18.000 I hope you get into the UFC one day.

00:47:19.000 Boom.

00:47:20.000 What fight was it that got you into him?

00:47:23.000 Oh, man, I watched a bunch of his fights from England, but it was one fight where he slid back and KO'd this dude with his perfectly placed left hand. 0.98

00:47:33.000 And I was like, this kid's got some fucking timing. 0.95

00:47:36.000 And like Faraz Ahabi describes, the touch of death. 0.99

00:47:39.000 Yep.

00:47:40.000 Yep.

00:47:41.000 No, when you got that kind of, but it's power, you can see his body is built to deliver that power, but it's technique, it's clean and clean.

00:47:47.000 Big shoulders, man.

00:47:47.000 It's also thought, you know, he's very, the way he's approaching the game is very thoughtful.

00:47:54.000 He's thinking it through, like getting down with Ido Portal and just concentrating on the ability to move your body better.

00:48:02.000 Yep.

00:48:02.000 Just all, you know, across the board, having that kind of dexterity.

00:48:05.000 To think better, to perform better.

00:48:07.000 Your views on the movement stuff?

00:48:10.000 Absolutely not.

00:48:10.000 You haven't?

00:48:10.000 You're sticking with that?

00:48:11.000 Yeah, I think it's all bullshit. 0.99

00:48:12.000 It's definitely not bullshit. 1.00

00:48:14.000 Movement is bullshit. 1.00

00:48:15.000 How is movement bullshit? 1.00

00:48:17.000 Explain that. 0.99

00:48:17.000 I don't think it's bullshit. 0.99

00:48:18.000 I think it can help you, but you better have the foundation, the skills of Conor McGregor before you bring in a movement coach like that. 0.99

00:48:24.000 Nobody says you cut other shit out. 0.79

00:48:27.000 We're just talking about doing movement stuff. 0.98

00:48:29.000 I think it's very important.

00:48:31.000 Gymnastic natural, the way those Brazilians... 1.00

00:48:33.000 Gymnastic natural. 1.00

00:48:34.000 That's real shit. 1.00

00:48:35.000 I see it in breakdancing. 1.00

00:48:37.000 Breakdancing is movement, the ultimate movement drills.

00:48:40.000 And I see it personally in jujitsu.

00:48:42.000 All those guys from the freak show, they all did jujitsu and all got really good really quick.

00:48:48.000 So it does help.

00:48:49.000 The freak show for the uninitiated is Richie and Gio Martinez down in San Diego. 0.98

00:48:53.000 They're bad motherfuckers who are badass breakdancers who have turned into jujitsu black belts who are out there murking people. 0.98

00:48:59.000 Phenoms, yeah. 0.99

00:49:00.000 Eddie told me about it when these guys were white belts.

00:49:04.000 He told me about it.

00:49:04.000 He's like, dude, I got these new guys.

00:49:06.000 They're white belts and they're phenomenal.

00:49:08.000 Everybody knew it right away that they have this very unusual ability.

00:49:13.000 And you know what, man?

00:49:14.000 You've got to give it up to the man, Hicks and Gracie, because he figured it out before anybody.

00:49:18.000 You go back to those 1994 Hicks and Gracie videos, where Hicks was in Santa Monica, standing on a balance bar, stretching his leg overhead in a full split.

00:49:27.000 He was doing the rings.

00:49:28.000 He was walking on his hands.

00:49:30.000 He was doing all his breathing exercises.

00:49:32.000 He was down with yoga and movement and dexterity and flexibility before anybody.

00:49:37.000 By the way, this is my new favorite all-time commercial. 1.00

00:49:39.000 This fucking commercial. 0.99

00:49:40.000 Back this up a little bit. 1.00

00:49:41.000 Jamie, give me some knowledge.

00:49:43.000 Or give me some volume.

00:49:45.000 You know where that actor's from?

00:49:46.000 Second American Idol year one.

00:49:48.000 Lost to Kelly Clarkson.

00:49:50.000 Hold on.

00:49:51.000 There's a...

00:49:53.000 He's a tiny horse guy.

00:49:55.000 Look at these ranchers.

00:49:58.000 He's got red hair.

00:49:59.000 Like, purplish red hair.

00:50:00.000 What is he saying? 0.99

00:50:09.000 Cowboys would kill him. 0.95

00:50:13.000 Commercials have gotten crazier and crazier because they have to cut through the nose. 1.00

00:50:17.000 This is a great fucking commercial, man. 1.00

00:50:20.000 It's a tiny little dude who's flamboyantly gay on a tiny little white horse. 1.00

00:50:25.000 He's more like Prince. 0.96

00:50:26.000 I don't know if he's gay.

00:50:27.000 That's probably the third one. 0.99

00:50:29.000 That guy was gay for sure. 0.97

00:50:31.000 That was the funny thing. 1.00

00:50:32.000 Yeah, I got a gay as fuck. 1.00

00:50:32.000 His hair was awesome. 1.00

00:50:34.000 No, no, no.

00:50:35.000 That's not true.

00:50:35.000 He might be a Prince guy.

00:50:37.000 Yeah, you might be.

00:50:38.000 You might be right. 1.00

00:50:38.000 Yeah, fuck small girl, like tiny. 1.00

00:50:40.000 You never know. 1.00

00:50:40.000 But it's a great, great goddamn commercial. 1.00

00:50:42.000 Anyway, we'll fast-forward through this shit and get to the cowboy fight. 0.99

00:50:45.000 This fight is a fight that I felt coming into this fight. 0.99

00:50:49.000 Don't give it away.

00:50:49.000 I'm not gonna give anything away.

00:50:51.000 But I'm saying, coming into this fight, I think that a lot of people don't know how good Jorge Masvidal is, so this is not a fight that that many people are excited about.

00:50:58.000 You just gave it away.

00:50:59.000 But, no, no, no. 0.99

00:51:01.000 Goddammit, bro. 0.98

00:51:02.000 You can't do that, man. 1.00

00:51:04.000 I'm not giving shit away. 0.99

00:51:06.000 Mass foul is unreal. 0.99

00:51:08.000 Super, super dangerous.

00:51:09.000 So, cowboy, a lot of people would think this fight wouldn't be as close as it's likely to be.

00:51:15.000 Oh, you're just giving it away?

00:51:16.000 Stop with that.

00:51:17.000 I'm trying to confuse you.

00:51:18.000 Stop with that.

00:51:18.000 I'm fainting.

00:51:19.000 But I think that...

00:51:21.000 Cowboy at 170 is so much better than Cowboy at 55. And he's one more example of just like we were talking about with Kelvin.

00:51:27.000 Guys who don't cut weight, and because of that, they look healthier, they look faster, they look stronger.

00:51:33.000 They're more durable, too.

00:51:34.000 They can recover from stuff. 0.66

00:51:36.000 But the trade-off, of course, is at 170, if you fight like Tyron Woodley, you're fighting someone who hits way fucking harder than anybody at 55. This guy's so elegantly skilled, man.

00:51:50.000 Relax!

00:51:51.000 I just did a breakdown on him and I put in some of his old backyard fights.

00:51:54.000 Yeah, but he used to have those backyard fights back in the old Kimbo days. 1.00

00:51:58.000 Kimbo was in his corner for a lot of them. 1.00

00:52:00.000 Masvidal's a bad motherfucker. 0.99

00:52:01.000 He's got some knee issues though. 1.00

00:52:04.000 He's had some knee issues for a long time, man.

00:52:06.000 He's been hesitant, usually, in a lot of his fights.

00:52:08.000 He's always kind of scared to pull the trigger. 1.00

00:52:09.000 His knees are always fucked up, man. 1.00

00:52:10.000 His knees are always fucked up. 1.00

00:52:11.000 He's trying to intimidate Cowboy, because everybody thinks that if you intimidate Cowboy... 0.99

00:52:16.000 You gotta bully him.

00:52:17.000 Yeah, you have to.

00:52:18.000 Oh, that didn't work in the Matt Brown fight. 0.91

00:52:19.000 No, at all.

00:52:21.000 See, everyone thinks that Matt Brown fight was like a cakewalk.

00:52:23.000 That was a bit of a beast.

00:52:25.000 It was a bit of a fight.

00:52:27.000 No, it was definitely not a cakewalk.

00:52:28.000 Matt Brown ain't a cakewalk to anybody.

00:52:30.000 No, I'm saying people think Cowboy...

00:52:32.000 I didn't think Cowboy looked that great in that fight.

00:52:34.000 I thought it was a tough fight.

00:52:35.000 It was a real good fight. 0.97

00:52:37.000 I didn't think he looked bad at all, but he's fighting Matt fucking Brown. 1.00

00:52:40.000 Matt Brown is a goddamn barbarian. 1.00

00:52:42.000 He's a barbarian. 1.00

00:52:43.000 He lost, what, five or six?

00:52:45.000 He's a barbarian. 0.82

00:52:45.000 Every fight. 0.82

00:52:46.000 Why would Cowboy fight the number 12 guy? 0.99

00:52:49.000 Because he doesn't give a fuck. 0.98

00:52:51.000 He wanted to fight in Denver. 0.99

00:52:52.000 He just knocked out Matt Brown six weeks ago, and he's like, I want to fight in Denver.

00:52:55.000 Denver's his hometown.

00:52:57.000 He did take some punishment in that fight.

00:52:59.000 He did.

00:52:59.000 He definitely took some punishment in that Matt Brown fight.

00:53:01.000 But this is what he loves to do, man.

00:53:03.000 He loves to just get back after it.

00:53:05.000 And he loves that story.

00:53:07.000 He also, the more he fights, the more comfortable he is fighting.

00:53:10.000 The more it becomes natural.

00:53:12.000 He went to a concert last night, the night before this.

00:53:17.000 And he goes to Mexico too, doesn't he? 0.99

00:53:19.000 He always goes to Mexico in like the middle of his camp or some shit. 0.98

00:53:21.000 Near the end. 0.92

00:53:23.000 Why does he do that?

00:53:24.000 I don't know.

00:53:25.000 He says it relaxes him.

00:53:26.000 I guess he did it in one camp and he had a great performance.

00:53:29.000 So he said it relaxes him.

00:53:30.000 And if your last week is just sweating a lot anyways, you can do it anyway.

00:53:34.000 And he doesn't have to make weight. 0.99

00:53:35.000 Oh shit. 1.00

00:53:36.000 It works for him. 1.00

00:53:37.000 He fights at 175. I mean, he walks around at 175, 176. He's not cutting anything.

00:53:42.000 No, he looks great at 70. He can be real champ at 70. Yeah, I agree.

00:53:46.000 Are people synced up to this?

00:53:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:53:48.000 447, 446, 445, 444, first round.

00:53:52.000 Thank you.

00:53:52.000 Look at this fight.

00:53:54.000 You're welcome.

00:53:54.000 Yeah, this is real interesting.

00:53:56.000 Ooh, good step and round kick to the body. 0.86

00:53:59.000 Man, those switch kicks of his are nasty too.

00:54:01.000 Yes, he's so good with it.

00:54:02.000 And he's also good sneaking it up high out of nowhere.

00:54:05.000 Which is what he did with Matt Brown.

00:54:07.000 He snuck that switch kick off the left leg.

00:54:10.000 That was a front leg round kick to the face he knocked Matt Brown out with.

00:54:13.000 Look how different their rhythms are, eh?

00:54:14.000 You can see these conflicting rhythms.

00:54:17.000 Well, Masvidal is much more boxing-oriented in his attack.

00:54:22.000 See, he's letting him know.

00:54:23.000 He's trying to play him a little bit.

00:54:25.000 You don't hear it.

00:54:25.000 I have watched this fight.

00:54:26.000 You don't hear it, but he's like...

00:54:28.000 Like he's making sounds.

00:54:29.000 He's trying to give Cowboy novel experiences.

00:54:33.000 See, you can see him.

00:54:34.000 Yeah, he is making some noise.

00:54:37.000 That's interesting.

00:54:38.000 I wonder if we would get pulled if we had the sound in the background.

00:54:41.000 What would happen, young Jamie? 1.00

00:54:42.000 Fox might jack your ass. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Fox would jack me? 1.00

00:54:45.000 Fox don't mess around.

00:54:46.000 Tell Fox I'll come back.

00:54:47.000 I'll do a couple shows.

00:54:59.000 Masvidal wants to stay in there long enough to land the last punch and back Donald up and that's hard, man.

00:55:05.000 He's super aggressive, Masvidal.

00:55:07.000 That was a nice leg kick there by Masvidal as well.

00:55:12.000 He comes in clean with that jab, and he also has a real nice high guard, Masvidal.

00:55:17.000 He's a crafty fighter, man.

00:55:19.000 Really well-schooled.

00:55:20.000 So smooth, like water.

00:55:22.000 I like that inside leg kick Donald throws.

00:55:24.000 Me too.

00:55:26.000 Donald's one of the best leg kickers in the sport, for sure.

00:55:31.000 Jorge's taking him dead serious, like the hands.

00:55:33.000 Oh, beautiful job.

00:55:35.000 And you can tell Donald's a lot too worried about getting taken down.

00:55:37.000 He's so tall.

00:55:38.000 Like, he fights tall anyways, but whenever he engages in another striking battle, he's always tall.

00:55:42.000 Look at his leg kick.

00:55:44.000 He probably has one of the most head kicks, too.

00:55:47.000 I mean, he's like, what, 10?

00:55:48.000 Oh, for sure.

00:55:49.000 He's knocked out a lot of guys with head kicks.

00:55:51.000 He wants to be in there till the end.

00:55:52.000 Look at Masvidal's leg, though. 1.00

00:55:53.000 Cowboy's eating that shit up. 1.00

00:55:54.000 Beautiful inside leg kick there. 1.00

00:55:57.000 Love that little off-time body film.

00:55:59.000 He went to the body there, too.

00:56:01.000 Look at Masvidal.

00:56:02.000 He eats it and comes forward.

00:56:03.000 That was the question, right?

00:56:04.000 With the leg kicks.

00:56:05.000 How's he going to deal with it?

00:56:06.000 Because it's there.

00:56:07.000 We said he would counter off them.

00:56:09.000 With punches.

00:56:10.000 Has to.

00:56:11.000 And his counters off the kicks are slightly different, too.

00:56:14.000 Instead of sweeping the one side and then using the typical...

00:56:18.000 Off that, he'll go left hook.

00:56:20.000 But he also just takes it.

00:56:22.000 Yeah.

00:56:22.000 He's so aggressive.

00:56:23.000 So tough.

00:56:24.000 Yeah, he's so, like, the fact that he keeps closing the distance in on Cowboy.

00:56:29.000 People don't understand how good he is.

00:56:31.000 Constantly walking down.

00:56:31.000 Yeah, no, he's very good.

00:56:32.000 You know why?

00:56:33.000 Because he's never had that breakout win.

00:56:34.000 I don't mean to interrupt you.

00:56:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:36.000 Like, he's never had that huge staple win.

00:56:38.000 Well, if you look at his lifestyle, too, I mean, he really has had to concentrate and be much more dedicated over the last couple years. 0.97

00:56:44.000 Because before, he used to play a lot of video games and fuck off and... 0.97

00:56:48.000 Is this Masvidal you're talking about? 0.99

00:56:49.000 Yeah, it was like half of the fun of watching his countdown shows.

00:56:53.000 I love that little fate to come forward.

00:56:56.000 That.

00:56:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:57.000 Donald was a takedown defense.

00:57:00.000 Masvidal's got good takedown defense, man. 0.99

00:57:02.000 That American top team is a fucking crazy gym. 0.99

00:57:05.000 You know what? 1.00

00:57:06.000 It caught him.

00:57:07.000 Just off the forearm.

00:57:08.000 A little bit, yeah.

00:57:09.000 A little bit, yeah.

00:57:10.000 Yeah, you can see he's backing up a little. 1.00

00:57:13.000 Man, that spinning elbow, shit. 1.00

00:57:15.000 Damn. 1.00

00:57:17.000 But the jab is just... 0.99

00:57:18.000 That switch kick off the left side that Donald throws is so nice.

00:57:23.000 Sometimes Jorge's hands are down, and they're not down tonight, man.

00:57:26.000 Dead serious.

00:57:28.000 A lot of respect.

00:57:29.000 He just understands what it is.

00:57:30.000 Well, completely on that right side because of that left high kick.

00:57:33.000 That left high kick. 0.77

00:57:34.000 He's throwing heat with that right hand.

00:57:36.000 See, his overhand compared to Arlovsky's, it's hidden.

00:57:39.000 Yeah.

00:57:40.000 This is just expressed, it's not thrown.

00:57:42.000 Honestly, when I look at Orlovsky move, I gotta go back to this.

00:57:44.000 Ooh, nice pretty back kick.

00:57:46.000 I feel like Orlovsky's shoulders are gone.

00:57:48.000 Probably a lot of wearing tears.

00:57:50.000 They're probably really tight.

00:57:51.000 He's throwing punches like he's throwing them with his arms.

00:57:54.000 The jaw can only take so many punches, right?

00:57:57.000 Everyone's got a certain amount that they're going to take and that's it.

00:58:00.000 Well, not only that, dude.

00:58:02.000 Oh, nice leg kick there. 1.00

00:58:03.000 When guys take a lot of punishment, their fucking motor skills start going, bro. 0.99

00:58:08.000 They can't move the same way. 0.99

00:58:10.000 That hurt him right there.

00:58:11.000 Oh, he got tagged there again.

00:58:13.000 That right hand.

00:58:14.000 Oh, jeez. 1.00

00:58:15.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:58:16.000 Now he's hurt. 1.00

00:58:17.000 That hurt him.

00:58:18.000 He got flat-footed there.

00:58:23.000 It's all push-pull.

00:58:25.000 It's push-pull, Jorge. 0.87

00:58:26.000 Oh, good kick to the body. 1.00

00:58:29.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:58:31.000 He's out there. 1.00

00:58:32.000 He's out.

00:58:33.000 Stop that fight. 0.56

00:58:34.000 All right.

00:58:35.000 Nope.

00:58:36.000 No.

00:58:37.000 End of the round.

00:58:38.000 End of the round.

00:58:38.000 That's insane!

00:58:40.000 That's fucking out. 0.99

00:58:41.000 When have you ever seen a ref at the end of the round go like this? 0.99

00:58:47.000 Wave his hands like it's out.

00:58:49.000 He might have questioned himself.

00:58:51.000 It's better off to just end the fight now, man.

00:58:54.000 They should have ended it right there.

00:58:56.000 They should have ended the fight right there.

00:58:57.000 I think so.

00:58:58.000 He looks out right there.

00:59:00.000 Once that calls been made, now it's up to the doctor, and Greg's just going to do his job here.

00:59:05.000 Greg Jackson was screaming at him, you're not going to lose in Denver.

00:59:09.000 This is what I want from your head movement.

00:59:10.000 What are you going to do?

00:59:11.000 Move my head.

00:59:13.000 There was a big pep talk here, but honestly...

00:59:17.000 You gotta wonder whether or not it's the right move to send a guy out.

00:59:20.000 Exactly.

00:59:21.000 You don't know.

00:59:21.000 I mean, you're hopeful.

00:59:22.000 You want him to recover.

00:59:23.000 You don't want him to lose by stoppage.

00:59:24.000 Let's take a look at it here.

00:59:25.000 Off the left to the hook, yeah.

00:59:27.000 Boom, boom.

00:59:27.000 The right hand to the temple.

00:59:28.000 The left hand behind it.

00:59:29.000 So he's in deep trouble here.

00:59:30.000 He's out there.

00:59:31.000 He's taking shots.

00:59:32.000 His eyes roll back.

00:59:33.000 Watch this left hook.

00:59:34.000 Herb steps in.

00:59:35.000 I didn't see that.

00:59:36.000 So he knew the kick was coming because he kicked the body.

00:59:38.000 Boom, boom, boom.

00:59:39.000 Man, what a combination.

00:59:40.000 Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

00:59:44.000 He sweeps the kick away, and it loads his left hook. 0.98

00:59:48.000 Now, do you feel like Herb was stopping the fight, and then the bell rang, and then he said, let's just keep it going?

00:59:53.000 Yep, I do.

00:59:54.000 That's what you think.

00:59:54.000 There's the doc.

00:59:55.000 I don't think he should be...

00:59:56.000 It's on the doc, I think.

00:59:59.000 It shouldn't be on the corner so much with the fighter.

01:00:01.000 The fighter's going to want to fight. 0.71

01:00:02.000 Right, of course.

01:00:03.000 The doctor should be like, we can't do this.

01:00:04.000 Oh, look at that.

01:00:05.000 He smiled at him.

01:00:06.000 I got you.

01:00:06.000 What do you think the people would want?

01:00:08.000 They want blood. 1.00

01:00:10.000 If you have money on it, if you have money on Masvidal, you want that shit fucking over right there. 1.00

01:00:16.000 Fuck those people, though. 1.00

01:00:17.000 Fuck those people. 1.00

01:00:18.000 Think about the fighter. 1.00

01:00:20.000 You want to see Donald be a world champion?

01:00:22.000 You want to see him take brain damage right now?

01:00:25.000 It's what's right.

01:00:26.000 You know, what is the right thing to do?

01:00:28.000 So right now, it's very hard to argue that's the wrong thing to let him fight.

01:00:33.000 Because he's moving around, his hands are up.

01:00:36.000 He's compromised.

01:00:37.000 He's compromised.

01:00:38.000 You gotta protect the fighter from himself.

01:00:39.000 He attacked again.

01:00:41.000 Look at that nasty knee in the body. 1.00

01:00:42.000 Masvidal's fucking him up, man. 1.00

01:00:44.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:00:45.000 I'd like to see Cowboy jump to guard there.

01:00:46.000 Cowboy's so tough. 1.00

01:00:47.000 Goddammit, he got fucked up there. 1.00

01:00:49.000 He's inviting the kick. 1.00

01:00:50.000 See, he's kicking him to try to get him to kick him. 0.57

01:00:53.000 To kick back.

01:00:54.000 Don't kick the knee.

01:00:55.000 Oh, nice leg kick. 0.94

01:00:57.000 He's asking for a kick.

01:00:58.000 Yeah, you see the way Donald's throwing those punches.

01:01:00.000 Those are purely defensive.

01:01:01.000 He's just trying to keep him off.

01:01:03.000 And then he goes for the kick.

01:01:04.000 Boom! 0.99

01:01:04.000 He tagged him again. 0.99

01:01:05.000 That's the end.

01:01:07.000 Wow, he gets up!

01:01:09.000 Look at those body shots. 0.94

01:01:11.000 That's it.

01:01:12.000 Yeah, just stop it.

01:01:13.000 That's a bummer for Cowboy, man. 0.99

01:01:14.000 That's a fucking bummer. 0.99

01:01:16.000 He goes, you know what happened? 0.99

01:01:18.000 Did he just say that to him? 1.00

01:01:20.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:01:20.000 He said, you know what happened? 1.00

01:01:22.000 You know what happened?

01:01:22.000 Is that what he said to him?

01:01:23.000 Yeah, he's a kid.

01:01:24.000 And rightfully so. 1.00

01:01:25.000 They talked a lot of shit. 1.00

01:01:26.000 And then when you murk the guy in his hometown, it's like, yeah, what's up, man? 1.00

01:01:29.000 Fucking told you. 0.99

01:01:31.000 That doctor's interesting. 1.00

01:01:32.000 He's got those shells and that very pink shirt.

01:01:34.000 Yeah, the doctor is wearing...

01:01:36.000 I need to see his degree.

01:01:36.000 No, no.

01:01:37.000 Easy on the doctor.

01:01:38.000 Easy on the doctor.

01:01:39.000 Good dude.

01:01:39.000 I know that guy.

01:01:40.000 I'm not saying he's not a good dude.

01:01:42.000 He's a shaman.

01:01:43.000 Legit doctor.

01:01:44.000 Let's see what he says here.

01:01:45.000 Look at this.

01:01:48.000 You know what happened.

01:01:49.000 You know what happened.

01:01:50.000 Hold on.

01:01:50.000 Give me some volume, Jamie.

01:02:00.000 You know what happened.

01:02:02.000 That's the real thing right now.

01:02:04.000 That's dark. 1.00

01:02:05.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:02:05.000 Lose with a little more grace. 1.00

01:02:08.000 Easy, B. Because Donald talked all that shit. 1.00

01:02:11.000 And then when that happens and the guy goes, I fucking told you. 1.00

01:02:14.000 Everyone goes, oh, sore loser. 1.00

01:02:16.000 It's a fight, man. 0.97

01:02:17.000 And he's cool now.

01:02:20.000 It's a fight.

01:02:21.000 And he just backed up. 0.99

01:02:22.000 He's like, I fucking told you that was going to happen. 0.99

01:02:24.000 Masvidal asked for this fight. 1.00

01:02:26.000 He goes, I will fuck him up in Denver. 1.00

01:02:28.000 He can be to anybody. 1.00

01:02:29.000 He literally can beat anybody.

01:02:30.000 If he's on, yes.

01:02:31.000 If he brings his A game, he can.

01:02:33.000 Yeah, because this fight was made after Cowboy's last win, right?

01:02:36.000 Masvidal said, I'll fight him.

01:02:37.000 And then Cowboy gets on mic and goes, let's do this dance in Denver. 0.99

01:02:40.000 Six weeks after fucking getting dropped by Matt Brown. 0.99

01:02:43.000 You gotta protect Cowboy from himself. 0.99

01:02:45.000 Watch how he loads the left hand.

01:02:46.000 Right there, loads.

01:02:47.000 He loads the left hook off of that.

01:02:49.000 And this is the stoppage.

01:02:50.000 This is the end.

01:02:52.000 Masvidal's very fast.

01:02:53.000 He's so smooth. 0.99

01:02:55.000 Masvidal's a monster.

01:02:56.000 You gotta wonder if it was the right call to let him come out for that second round.

01:02:59.000 Watch the loaded hip. 0.97

01:03:00.000 Yeah.

01:03:01.000 Right there.

01:03:02.000 We got good action.

01:03:04.000 I'm glad they let it go.

01:03:05.000 I want to see more action.

01:03:06.000 As a coach though, Eddie, if that was Tony Ferguson, you shouldn't be saying that.

01:03:10.000 I'm not his coach.

01:03:11.000 I'm just saying as a fan, I want to see it.

01:03:14.000 I want to see it. 1.00

01:03:14.000 Fuck a fan. 1.00

01:03:15.000 I'm not MMA Mother Teresa. 1.00

01:03:17.000 Look at this for a second.

01:03:19.000 Not if that was Tony or Kelvin.

01:03:21.000 Wait, Herb stopped this fight.

01:03:23.000 Don't talk over him, please.

01:03:24.000 Look at this.

01:03:25.000 It's timely because they're showing it.

01:03:27.000 I have a question.

01:03:28.000 Why is he stopping it when he's hitting the body?

01:03:30.000 Because he has nothing.

01:03:32.000 He saw the response when he touched the liver.

01:03:34.000 You see his body just kind of shut down right there.

01:03:37.000 And Herb, me, he's a human being.

01:03:39.000 So he's feeling, questioning his decision earlier anyway. 1.00

01:03:42.000 He knows he fucked. 0.99

01:03:43.000 And if he sees the chance, he's going to take it. 1.00

01:03:45.000 Yeah, he knew it was a bad place for Cowboy right there.

01:03:48.000 He was getting lit up.

01:03:50.000 And it's easier to say, and you can be a couch quarterback here, I think it's easier to say, man, Donald shouldn't have fought this soon.

01:03:55.000 But honestly, the UFC should not allow Donald to fight six weeks after suffering brain trauma.

01:04:00.000 No commission should have cleared him.

01:04:02.000 His coaches shouldn't allow him.

01:04:03.000 He wants to, and that's the Cowboy way. 0.68

01:04:05.000 Right. 0.99

01:04:06.000 Cowboy losing the number 12 guy in the world, Cowboy can be world fucking champion. 0.99

01:04:10.000 But he's a thoroughbred man. 0.99

01:04:13.000 Treat him like that. 1.00

01:04:14.000 Don't let him do this wild shit. 1.00

01:04:16.000 It's a different game. 1.00

01:04:17.000 Doing something that you would never see a guy like Floyd Mayweather do, for example.

01:04:21.000 Or Conor.

01:04:22.000 Would never do that.

01:04:23.000 Yeah, fighting six weeks after a war.

01:04:26.000 It's his life.

01:04:27.000 I get that, but also he's not making Conor money.

01:04:30.000 He's not making Floyd money either.

01:04:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:04:32.000 He can do that if he was world champion.

01:04:34.000 Right.

01:04:35.000 Yeah, that's the argument, right?

01:04:36.000 He needs to be protected from himself.

01:04:38.000 He's too tough for his own good.

01:04:39.000 That's the case with a lot of warriors.

01:04:40.000 I support these guys' choice to do what they want to do always.

01:04:45.000 If a doctor says you can't fight, then you don't fight.

01:04:48.000 If your family talks to you and gives you advice and you don't want to take it, you don't have to take it.

01:04:51.000 It's a free society we live in.

01:04:53.000 You can eat as much sugar and fat as you want to eat.

01:04:56.000 You can smoke as many cigarettes as you want to smoke.

01:04:59.000 You can do as much heroin and cocaine.

01:05:00.000 No, hold on.

01:05:01.000 Until you have brain damage or you have brain trauma, which can cause you to be impulsive and make decisions that maybe you're not.

01:05:07.000 It's part of the game.

01:05:09.000 That's what you signed up for.

01:05:10.000 What I'm saying is that your team should try to protect you from yourself.

01:05:13.000 If they would have stopped that fight, if Greg Jackson would have stopped it right there, that would have been...

01:05:18.000 You're talking a former fighter.

01:05:20.000 Donald, that could have fucked their relationship up. 0.99

01:05:24.000 Maybe Donald would have said, why the fuck did you stop that guy all night, all weekend? 0.99

01:05:29.000 You never know. 0.99

01:05:30.000 I think he was out on a stool.

01:05:32.000 I think he was out on a stool.

01:05:34.000 He looked like he was delirious.

01:05:35.000 I think he got hit. 0.99

01:05:36.000 If we go back to that first round, the end of that first round, he got hit fucking hard, man. 0.99

01:05:42.000 Someone needs to sit down. 0.98

01:05:47.000 We're good to go.

01:05:59.000 But I think what you're saying is true too.

01:06:01.000 What you're saying is true is guys have come back from that.

01:06:03.000 But what he's saying is guys don't come back from that if they take the kind of beating that they took just six weeks ago.

01:06:08.000 And it's something that goes against kind of what Donald's been saying.

01:06:11.000 Because Donald's been saying that he doesn't spar anymore in his camps. 0.86

01:06:14.000 And one of the reasons why he doesn't spar anymore is because he took too much fucking punishment and he'd go into these fights already damaged. 0.97

01:06:19.000 Donald. 0.97

01:06:19.000 He does drills now. 0.97

01:06:20.000 He does almost primarily drills.

01:06:22.000 And when he spars, if he does it all, they do it like Thai style where they're just touching each other.

01:06:25.000 Yeah.

01:06:26.000 So, he's working on his timing.

01:06:27.000 He knows how to fight already.

01:06:28.000 He already knows he's tough.

01:06:29.000 There's no questions.

01:06:30.000 So, it's all just about getting your timing and your endurance down.

01:06:32.000 So, I think you're right.

01:06:34.000 Like, guys have come back from getting hit like that.

01:06:36.000 Like, Frankie Edgar against Graham Mader.

01:06:38.000 Came back to stop him.

01:06:39.000 It's happened a lot.

01:06:40.000 Yeah.

01:06:40.000 It's happened a bunch of times.

01:06:41.000 Sometimes it doesn't.

01:06:42.000 Sometimes.

01:06:42.000 You're right.

01:06:43.000 You're right.

01:06:43.000 But I think he's right, too.

01:06:45.000 Because I think that that fight from six weeks ago, that was a war.

01:06:50.000 With a killer.

01:06:50.000 It really was.

01:06:51.000 He was in a war with a killer.

01:06:52.000 People forget that.

01:06:53.000 Yeah.

01:06:53.000 We know, because we see the highlight of him murking Matt Brown with a head kick, but it's like, before that, it was a close fight.

01:06:58.000 He got dropped.

01:06:59.000 He did get dropped.

01:07:00.000 That's right.

01:07:01.000 That's a good point.

01:07:01.000 In the end, whether you're his coach, you're his best friend, you're his family member, you say what you feel, and then he's going to decide.

01:07:08.000 See, I don't agree with that.

01:07:10.000 I think his coaches should go, listen, we know you want to fight to the death.

01:07:13.000 But the logical thing here is, don't fight in Denver against the No.

01:07:16.000 15 guy.

01:07:17.000 Let's wait.

01:07:18.000 Let's fight the No.

01:07:19.000 4 guy.

01:07:19.000 And then you get a title shot.

01:07:21.000 Let's do that.

01:07:21.000 I agree with you that that would be the most intelligent thing to do.

01:07:24.000 But there's a big fight coming up in Denver.

01:07:26.000 If Cowboy did get a fight against a guy who could win, he could beat, and he did win in Denver...

01:07:32.000 He would have been a hero, right?

01:07:33.000 He's already a hero.

01:07:34.000 I understand that.

01:07:35.000 So he beats the number 15 guy.

01:07:36.000 He wanted to feel it again.

01:07:37.000 He wanted to feel it again.

01:07:38.000 So he beat Masvidal.

01:07:40.000 At 170, it's different.

01:07:41.000 He's fighting number 14 at 170 because he's new to 170. He's ranked number 5. Yeah, it's crazy.

01:07:46.000 At 170 in the world.

01:07:47.000 He's pretty close to a title shot.

01:07:48.000 You got me there.

01:07:50.000 I will say this, though.

01:07:51.000 The upside to being a UFC champion or a fighter, the upside is the most amazing feeling ever.

01:07:59.000 Getting your hands raised, knocking someone out on the octagon.

01:08:01.000 Pace scale, too.

01:08:02.000 No, it's the upside.

01:08:04.000 It's the greatest, I'm sure.

01:08:06.000 I've never fought, but I'm sure.

01:08:08.000 When those guys, when Chuck Liddell wins, it's like you're the king of the world.

01:08:13.000 In the UFC championship, that's the upside.

01:08:15.000 You're going to have a feeling that very few people taste.

01:08:18.000 It's like...

01:08:18.000 Like when Chuck Liddell throw his arms back.

01:08:21.000 Yeah, the ultimate glory.

01:08:21.000 The downside is to get there.

01:08:24.000 Man, it's a lot of risky shit. 0.99

01:08:26.000 That's why this sport is so big because it's so much risk. 0.99

01:08:28.000 The sport will never grow if everyone thinks that way.

01:08:30.000 We don't need the sport to grow.

01:08:33.000 This sport is fine.

01:08:35.000 It doesn't need to grow.

01:08:36.000 Guys like Conor McGregor who's going, I'm not taking that fight.

01:08:39.000 You know what?

01:08:39.000 I'm not doing that.

01:08:40.000 You know what?

01:08:40.000 I'm going to wait and do this.

01:08:41.000 Well, he got big with doing the UFC program and now he's beyond that and he's going beyond that.

01:08:45.000 He's growing the sport.

01:08:46.000 I think...

01:08:47.000 At this point, in the beginning of the UFC, we always had to be careful how you explain the fights and the rules and how everything was broken down.

01:08:59.000 But now it doesn't matter.

01:09:00.000 The UFC is so big, we don't have to, like, oh, we want the sport to be huge.

01:09:04.000 It's already huge.

01:09:05.000 Right? 0.99

01:09:06.000 It's already fucking huge. 0.95

01:09:06.000 You've got to go to another level, though. 0.95

01:09:08.000 This is a crazy level, man.

01:09:10.000 It's on Fox.

01:09:11.000 I mean, it's crazy.

01:09:12.000 Yeah, it is a crazy level, but I think the Conor McGregor is taking it to the next level, and it's going to go one level above that.

01:09:18.000 I think it's going to continue to grow. 0.98

01:09:20.000 And it's not by taking stupid fights and just never becoming world champions. 0.95

01:09:23.000 It's about being professional, and I think if you did look at it in a professional manner, I agree with Brendan, but I also agree with Eddie. 0.98

01:09:30.000 We're both right, Brendan.

01:09:31.000 Yeah.

01:09:31.000 Well, there's no...

01:09:32.000 Depends on your fighter.

01:09:34.000 Because here's the thing. 0.96

01:09:35.000 Conor McGregor took the fight with Nate Diaz on very fucking short notice. 0.96

01:09:39.000 11 days. 0.98

01:09:40.000 Takes an 11 days notice to fight.

01:09:41.000 Fights at 70. You know, doesn't cut any weight at all when he's supposed to be fighting at 55 for the title.

01:09:46.000 Takes a giant chance and winds up losing.

01:09:49.000 So you're right and you're wrong. 0.93

01:09:51.000 That's part of what made the legend of Conor McGregor that he's willing to do something so fucking crazy. 0.99

01:09:56.000 But now he's in this stratospheric position where dads come up to me at my fucking kid's school and they want to talk to me about that crazy Irish guy. 0.99

01:10:06.000 Just him, yeah. 0.98

01:10:06.000 Yeah, no one wants to talk to me about Ron anymore. 0.98

01:10:08.000 They don't know who the fuck Francis Ngannou is. 1.00

01:10:11.000 Don't give a fuck either. 1.00

01:10:13.000 They will. 1.00

01:10:14.000 Guarantee you.

01:10:15.000 Francis? 1.00

01:10:16.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:10:16.000 I bought that tonight. 1.00

01:10:17.000 The heavyweights are always the scariest.

01:10:19.000 You know that.

01:10:20.000 That guy keeps murking people.

01:10:21.000 He keeps murking people like that.

01:10:23.000 He murks people, gets a personality, then he got something.

01:10:25.000 He's a Tyson-like character.

01:10:27.000 There have been a lot of guys like that.

01:10:27.000 He's Chad Congo.

01:10:29.000 He's Chad Congo.

01:10:31.000 I can name a few.

01:10:32.000 I don't want to name a few.

01:10:33.000 I want to see him screaming in French.

01:10:35.000 Stop getting him to talk in English.

01:10:36.000 I want you to scream in French. 1.00

01:10:38.000 And I want him to grab his cock and, like, ring him out. 1.00

01:10:47.000 And scream in French. 1.00

01:10:50.000 That is a super athlete. 1.00

01:10:52.000 That is a rare, rare athlete with some serious fucking ability and mindset. 0.99

01:10:58.000 He's got a destroyer's mindset. 0.99

01:11:00.000 That guy has all the tools to be a world champion.

01:11:03.000 But can he get by a guy like Kane?

01:11:05.000 And Stipe and Junior Dos Santos.

01:11:07.000 What we just saw was the right way Kane's going to try to press you.

01:11:12.000 At least it used to.

01:11:13.000 Double jab overhand right. 0.99

01:11:15.000 Still, it's the right idea.

01:11:16.000 You know he's coming towards you.

01:11:17.000 Instead of straight back and roll the shoulder out on an angle, you still need to...

01:11:21.000 Catch him coming in.

01:11:22.000 You're talking about night and day.

01:11:23.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:11:24.000 But it's the concept.

01:11:25.000 You go back to Kane and fought Noguera.

01:11:27.000 There was no one like him ever before.

01:11:29.000 I just feel like his body just can't.

01:11:31.000 Remember that rematch?

01:11:32.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:11:32.000 What the fuck are we talking about? 0.99

01:11:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:34.000 He beat the fucking brakes. 1.00

01:11:36.000 Dose. 1.00

01:11:37.000 Twice.

01:11:38.000 JDS has never been the same.

01:11:39.000 Never.

01:11:39.000 Never been the same.

01:11:40.000 Well, the amount of damage that he took in those fights was catastrophic.

01:11:43.000 And you just... 0.99

01:11:44.000 He had a pace that no one could fuck with. 0.99

01:11:46.000 You couldn't keep up with it. 0.99

01:11:48.000 He just would keep it on you over and over and over again.

01:11:50.000 But his body just does not seem like he can handle that kind of...

01:11:55.000 He's had a lot of fights, though.

01:11:56.000 Even if it were to stop right now, to me, he's still the greatest UFC heavyweight of all time.

01:12:00.000 Yes, I agree.

01:12:01.000 But I feel like he could have been the greatest, greatest of all time.

01:12:04.000 The only one who's right up there with him is Fedor.

01:12:06.000 And you've got to give the nod to Fedor based on Kane's most recent fights.

01:12:11.000 You look at him losing to Verdum, you're like, man, you've got to kind of...

01:12:15.000 When you look at it on paper, Fedor during his heyday was something special.

01:12:19.000 Verdun beat Fedor, though.

01:12:21.000 And that was like a legit Fedor, too.

01:12:23.000 Not really.

01:12:24.000 Kind of legit.

01:12:25.000 He was the first guy to do it, though.

01:12:27.000 His own coaches were already talking about his lack of preparation after the Brett Rodgers fight.

01:12:32.000 Yeah, that's easy to say, but we really didn't see any.

01:12:34.000 No, the South 3 won.

01:12:35.000 Yeah, I know.

01:12:36.000 He beat Brett Rogers and his own coach was saying that he went up and he used his old tricks, but he didn't prepare correctly.

01:12:42.000 It's Brett Rogers.

01:12:43.000 No one did.

01:12:44.000 Yeah, but that was the beginning. 1.00

01:12:45.000 He's homeless now, fucking dudes. 1.00

01:12:46.000 You know that? 1.00

01:12:46.000 I know. 1.00

01:12:47.000 I'm trying to fuck dudes. 1.00

01:12:48.000 Brett Rogers got arrested. 1.00

01:12:49.000 He's trying to fuck dudes in the ass. 1.00

01:12:50.000 And he's homeless. 1.00

01:12:51.000 And then went to prison. 1.00

01:12:52.000 He's doing the same shit. 0.99

01:12:53.000 So he got arrested after kind of touching two guys. 0.99

01:12:57.000 And then they sent him to prison.

01:12:59.000 And then in jail, he was accused of touching his mate. 1.00

01:13:03.000 Yeah, no shit. 1.00

01:13:03.000 He knocks him out and then fucks him. 1.00

01:13:05.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:13:05.000 Can you imagine him being your fucking cellmate in Watts, Brett Rodgers? 1.00

01:13:09.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:13:10.000 Good timing. 0.99

01:13:10.000 He's the biggest guy I've ever seen in my life. 0.99

01:13:12.000 I remember interviewing him with, and I'm not a tall man, but holding my hand straight up in the air to interview him. 0.99

01:13:18.000 When Fedor hit him with the fucking haymaker right hand. 0.98

01:13:22.000 You ever see the animated GIF where his head goes flying off? 1.00

01:13:24.000 No!

01:13:25.000 His head goes flying off and it slams against the camera and creates this big splatter. 0.99

01:13:30.000 He hit him so fucking hard. 0.94

01:13:33.000 What did you guys think of the Tito tail fight? 0.98

01:13:36.000 It was a legit fight, for sure.

01:13:38.000 Anybody saying that it was a work, they're looking at slow motion, they're saying that Tito motioned.

01:13:43.000 If you speed it up to real time, the fight was going on, it's like this.

01:13:47.000 He's trying to hand fight.

01:13:48.000 Yeah, he's trying to figure out what to do, whether he could tuck his chin, whether he could move. 0.99

01:13:52.000 And by the way, you've got to recognize that Tito's had serious fucking neck surgery. 0.98

01:13:57.000 He's got fused discs in his neck. 0.97

01:13:59.000 So if he gets a little sketchy, if someone's grabbing his neck, understand why.

01:14:03.000 But it's just, you know, it was a bigger, stronger guy who got a hold.

01:14:07.000 There's the...

01:14:08.000 Look at this.

01:14:09.000 Eddie, look up there.

01:14:10.000 Boom! 0.99

01:14:11.000 Hold on, watch this again.

01:14:12.000 It comes at you.

01:14:14.000 Kadoosh! 0.98

01:14:15.000 That is the craziest animated GIF file. 1.00

01:14:18.000 That shit is so sick. 1.00

01:14:21.000 Is that the hardest right hand of all time? 1.00

01:14:25.000 Dude, the fucking internet is amazing. 0.97

01:14:29.000 Actually, look at the way his back foot comes off. 1.00

01:14:33.000 See the way his back foot?

01:14:33.000 It's actually a pitch.

01:14:35.000 McGregor's left hand, when it's done right, is the same thing.

01:14:38.000 It's not...

01:14:39.000 Turning punch.

01:14:40.000 It's an overhand pitch.

01:14:41.000 He pushes off of it and just wings it with the momentum.

01:14:43.000 You're so explosive.

01:14:44.000 Remember his countdown videos? 1.00

01:14:46.000 It was like him in the mountains with fucking big logs and shit. 1.00

01:14:50.000 Doing just brushing shit. 1.00

01:14:51.000 You remember when he fought... 1.00

01:14:54.000 What the fuck's his name? 0.99

01:14:57.000 Tim Sylvia. 1.00

01:14:59.000 When you fucked up Tim Sylvia in Affliction? 0.97

01:15:00.000 In a minute. 0.99

01:15:01.000 Jesus Christ.

01:15:02.000 Oh my god.

01:15:03.000 That was Tim Sylvia.

01:15:04.000 That was when Tim Sylvia was Tim Sylvia.

01:15:06.000 That was the Wild Wild West where everyone was doing everything.

01:15:09.000 Tim Sylvia's basically seven foot with a great jab and great takedown defense.

01:15:14.000 People forget about Tim Sylvia.

01:15:16.000 They paid him six or seven hundred thousand dollars for that minute, Tim Sylvia.

01:15:19.000 It's a good payday to get clobber knockered.

01:15:22.000 But I think that, like, if you go back to the Tim Sylvia that fought Rico Rodriguez, that was my favorite Tim Sylvia.

01:15:28.000 Tim Sylvia had all the steroids.

01:15:31.000 Everything.

01:15:32.000 Everything they had.

01:15:33.000 Huge shoulders.

01:15:35.000 Giant. 1.00

01:15:35.000 Killer ass. 1.00

01:15:36.000 See if you can find that, Jamie. 1.00

01:15:38.000 Pull up Tim Sylvia vs. 0.83

01:15:40.000 Rico Rodriguez. 1.00

01:15:41.000 And Tim, if you listen to me right now and you're mad at me, you know I'm a fan, but you know you're on the shit, so shut up! 1.00

01:15:45.000 Shut the fuck up, buddy. 1.00

01:15:46.000 I think he admitted it. 1.00

01:15:47.000 You know I love you.

01:15:47.000 I think he admitted it.

01:15:48.000 He got caught!

01:15:51.000 We're not breaking any news here.

01:15:53.000 Maybe it was a diuretic.

01:15:54.000 He was so scary, though, when he was juiced up.

01:15:57.000 He was so scary.

01:15:58.000 Can you imagine fighting that guy when he was back juiced up?

01:16:00.000 Those were the days of a different world.

01:16:03.000 Was he juiced when he fought Noguera?

01:16:05.000 I don't think so.

01:16:06.000 We should watch that fight after.

01:16:08.000 The testing got significantly harder over and over.

01:16:12.000 Yeah, a little loosey-goosey.

01:16:13.000 Not like now.

01:16:14.000 Definitely not like now. 1.00

01:16:15.000 Now you take a fucking caffeine pill like you should spend for six years. 1.00

01:16:18.000 When would they test you back then? 1.00

01:16:19.000 Night after the fight.

01:16:21.000 They had a few randoms they did occasionally back then.

01:16:24.000 Like Alistair got busted, remember?

01:16:27.000 Alistair got busted on a random.

01:16:28.000 You know, dudes got busted on randoms.

01:16:30.000 The commission would test you?

01:16:32.000 Yeah, well they started ramping it up right around the time they decided that this testosterone replacement therapy thing was going on.

01:16:38.000 Dude, he was so jacked.

01:16:40.000 See if you can find the video, Jamie.

01:16:42.000 Even his face is muscular.

01:16:43.000 What's that, buddy?

01:16:44.000 Dude, he looked great back then. 0.99

01:16:46.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:16:47.000 Oh my god, he was jacked. 1.00

01:16:49.000 He said he took the steroids because they teased him about his body at the gym.

01:16:53.000 Yeah, he said he wanted a six-pack.

01:16:55.000 He kept saying he was going to have a six-pack.

01:16:56.000 He kept telling me.

01:16:57.000 I go, dude, you don't need a six-pack.

01:16:59.000 You're smashing people.

01:17:00.000 Six-packs aren't for everyone.

01:17:01.000 You don't need to.

01:17:02.000 But he was jacked back then.

01:17:04.000 He didn't have a bad body.

01:17:05.000 Dude, he did everything to get the fans to love.

01:17:07.000 Remember, he came out to...

01:17:09.000 I forget what he came out.

01:17:10.000 He came out to...

01:17:11.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:17:12.000 No, he came out to Jesus Walks.

01:17:15.000 And then he would get on the mic and they'd be booing me like, I'm doing it for the troops!

01:17:19.000 And he came out with the American flag.

01:17:20.000 He did everything.

01:17:22.000 You can't.

01:17:22.000 You check it off, people are going to love this.

01:17:24.000 And they still just didn't do it.

01:17:25.000 Wear the jersey and the town.

01:17:26.000 Yeah, he did everything.

01:17:27.000 But you can't beg for it.

01:17:29.000 You can't beg for people to like you.

01:17:30.000 I don't know.

01:17:30.000 People just...

01:17:31.000 Because you look like a big bully, I guess? 0.91

01:17:33.000 Tim Sylvia's entrance. 0.95

01:17:35.000 Sylvia versus Vera.

01:17:37.000 Brandon Vera. 1.00

01:17:39.000 That was back when Brandon Vera was a bad motherfucker. 0.99

01:17:41.000 Remember when Brandon Vera got on the mic after knocking out Frank Merrill? 0.98

01:17:44.000 He was like, I'm going to be light, heavyweight champ, and heavyweight champ.

01:17:46.000 He pioneered that Conor McGregor thing.

01:17:47.000 And then they signed a shitload.

01:17:49.000 He got paid.

01:17:50.000 Well, it took a long time before he got paid.

01:17:52.000 He was out for a long time.

01:17:53.000 But here's the other thing that happened.

01:17:55.000 He stopped training with Rob Kamen.

01:17:56.000 That was a big factor in his early success, is that he was training with one of the greatest kickboxers of all time.

01:18:03.000 And Rob Kamen is so technical.

01:18:04.000 I trained with Rob for quite a bit when I was supposed to do that Wesley Snipes thing.

01:18:08.000 I did all my striking with Rob Kamen.

01:18:10.000 And, dude, I was...

01:18:12.000 I had an understanding of like how people set things up and systems and systems that they struck under but I had no idea that there was someone out there that had that kind of depth to their thought process behind striking because all we would do four days a week was get together and talk strategy and technique and striking and he would explain things to me and then we would hit pads and then after we hit pads like two days a week I'd spar with somebody. 0.99

01:18:36.000 Dude, Rob Kamen is a bad motherfucker, man. 0.95

01:18:39.000 His techniques and his strategy and the way he breaks things down. 1.00

01:18:43.000 Mastermind.

01:18:44.000 He's genius, man.

01:18:45.000 It makes you really, truly appreciate when you would watch his fights now. 0.99

01:18:50.000 You'd see all the shit that he's setting up. 0.98

01:18:52.000 We don't have to hold him on the table anymore. 0.99

01:18:53.000 It's legal now.

01:18:54.000 That must have been awesome.

01:18:56.000 Joe, being able to do that with Rob Cameron, that must have been amazing.

01:19:00.000 Tell Joe who you want to do that with.

01:19:01.000 He's going to go study Matt Hume.

01:19:03.000 That's smart, too. 1.00

01:19:05.000 Matt Hume's a bad motherfucker. 0.99

01:19:08.000 I think he's the best coach in the game. 0.99

01:19:09.000 He has the best fighter in the game, and I think he's got the big picture.

01:19:12.000 He puts the whole thing together.

01:19:13.000 He is the strength and conditioning coach.

01:19:15.000 He's the everything.

01:19:16.000 And because of that, he can periodize everything properly.

01:19:20.000 So you're not sending your guy over to another guy unsure of when he's tired or what he's doing on a schedule.

01:19:26.000 He schedules it all.

01:19:27.000 And Demetrius actually trains a little bit less than everybody else.

01:19:31.000 He rests more.

01:19:33.000 That's very smart.

01:19:34.000 Well, the thing about a guy like Matt Hume is he's also got physical capabilities that mirror world-class fighters.

01:19:39.000 Yeah.

01:19:39.000 Like, he can fight.

01:19:40.000 Like, really fight.

01:19:41.000 You watch his fight with Pat Miletic? 0.99

01:19:43.000 Way back in the day, he fucked up Pat Miletic. 0.72

01:19:45.000 He was, like, one of the first super high-level guys, like, super early on. 0.93

01:19:48.000 Hey, Brian?

01:19:50.000 Are you in the bathroom?

01:19:51.000 Are you in the kitchen, rather, buddy?

01:19:53.000 Can you get me one of them kambuchas?

01:19:55.000 One of them, um...

01:19:56.000 One of them kambuchas? 0.77

01:19:57.000 Kambuchas. 0.99

01:19:58.000 Kambuchas? 0.99

01:19:59.000 I'll go with those.

01:19:59.000 I'm good.

01:20:00.000 I'm good.

01:20:07.000 Yeah, he's a wizard, man.

01:20:09.000 And he's seen it all.

01:20:10.000 He was a judge back in the glory days of pride.

01:20:14.000 He never fought in the UFC, but easily could have.

01:20:17.000 Thank you, sir.

01:20:17.000 Easily, easily could have.

01:20:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:19.000 I called some of his fights over in Pancreas and stuff.

01:20:21.000 I've broken him down from old fights.

01:20:23.000 There was one of them where he was riding this guy's hip and just spent the whole fight back here.

01:20:28.000 And at the time, it was just...

01:20:30.000 He was so out of character, and I broke it down, and then I saw him, and he's like, yeah, thanks for doing that.

01:20:35.000 That was really nice.

01:20:35.000 I'm like, cool.

01:20:36.000 I said, how'd you do that?

01:20:37.000 And just matter of factly, he's like, well, I knew he didn't understand this particular kind of freestyle wrestling, so I just designed the entire thing about doing something he didn't understand.

01:20:45.000 He's brilliant.

01:20:46.000 Which was so natural to him.

01:20:48.000 Also, his dad trained with Bruce Lee.

01:20:51.000 Or Dan Inosanto.

01:20:53.000 So Bruce Lee to Dan Inosanto to Matt's dad.

01:20:55.000 Like the lineage is still super legit.

01:20:58.000 He's so smart.

01:20:59.000 So I asked him if I could come and just stay in a cheap hotel nearby and come shadow him for 10 or 12 days on my own for my own cost and for vacation.

01:21:07.000 I said I'd clean the gym and whatever I could do to help.

01:21:09.000 And he said, yeah, I'm not opposed to it.

01:21:11.000 Just circle back. 0.99

01:21:12.000 Damn, he's gonna make you clean the gym? 0.99

01:21:13.000 I offered. 1.00

01:21:14.000 You shouldn't have offered that, bro.

01:21:15.000 You gotta start slow.

01:21:16.000 You gotta start slow.

01:21:17.000 Give me a couple bucks.

01:21:18.000 Oh, you don't need to.

01:21:19.000 Oh, thanks, man.

01:21:20.000 Cool, dawg.

01:21:20.000 Let me get you lunch.

01:21:24.000 Don't go to that.

01:21:25.000 You went zero to 100. Yeah, I'll go social media on you.

01:21:28.000 I'll put some Instagram posts on your gym. 0.99

01:21:30.000 I'll do a breakdown every fucking day of all this stuff. 0.99

01:21:33.000 Videotape them. 0.99

01:21:33.000 I want to do a piece on you. 0.99

01:21:35.000 I told him I would document it if he didn't mind, but I don't need that.

01:21:39.000 I want new inspiration.

01:21:40.000 I said maybe February, maybe March.

01:21:42.000 When Mighty Mouse is in camp?

01:21:44.000 That's when you should be there.

01:21:45.000 How often are you training?

01:21:47.000 Three times a week.

01:21:48.000 Are you doing MMA training?

01:21:49.000 Do you do jiu-jitsu, kickboxing?

01:21:51.000 Powerlifting and strength and conditioning.

01:21:53.000 And strength and conditioning, I'm always trying to customize it with my coach, Paul, to mimic what I'm seeing guys do.

01:21:59.000 So, you know, everybody was moving, so I had to start to understand agility and direction change and stuff like that.

01:22:04.000 So customize strength and conditioning for things that I'm trying to understand concepts.

01:22:08.000 And I'll do jiu-jitsu once a week.

01:22:09.000 I have a kickboxing coach, Evan Boris, who is one of Henry's guys, Henry Hoof's guys.

01:22:14.000 He's up in Toronto.

01:22:15.000 He's really good.

01:22:15.000 And he's a good friend.

01:22:17.000 Where did Henry go?

01:22:20.000 In Florida?

01:22:21.000 I don't know what he's going to do.

01:22:22.000 And a lot of those athletes just went with him right away.

01:22:25.000 He's the gem of that.

01:22:27.000 He's the heart of the Black Saints.

01:22:29.000 He's the real thing there.

01:22:29.000 He's as good as it gets, man.

01:22:31.000 And, you know, so it's weird political shit. 0.98

01:22:33.000 When you put really smart, talented people all together, if they don't have the exact same vision, some weird shit will happen. 0.98

01:22:39.000 It's a chemistry thing.

01:22:40.000 You can't just throw in it.

01:22:41.000 It's like the pro ball.

01:22:42.000 You can't just...

01:22:42.000 I hope all these guys get along.

01:22:44.000 There's too many egos.

01:22:45.000 That's why Jackson Winklejohn is so unusual.

01:22:48.000 Those guys gel together so well.

01:22:50.000 And AK. AK is a good example, too. 0.65

01:22:52.000 Mike Brown is so cool, man.

01:22:53.000 Greg Jackson is definitely one of the most humble guys in the game.

01:22:57.000 Ever.

01:22:57.000 He has zero...

01:22:59.000 He's like Marcelo Garcia. 1.00

01:23:00.000 Zero shit-talking. 0.99

01:23:01.000 Also, I think that if you run a gym together... 0.99

01:23:03.000 Eddie, you and I could run a gym together.

01:23:06.000 Because we know each other so well.

01:23:08.000 We've been such good friends for so long.

01:23:10.000 We could run a gym together easy.

01:23:11.000 You and I would have no problem. 1.00

01:23:13.000 We might disagree about some shit, but we disagree about shit all the time. 0.99

01:23:15.000 We never have a problem. 0.99

01:23:16.000 You see one way, I see another way, but we would talk about things.

01:23:19.000 We could actually run a gym.

01:23:20.000 And I couldn't imagine we would have a problem at all.

01:23:24.000 I couldn't foresee anything that we couldn't work out.

01:23:27.000 Let's do an MMA show. 0.99

01:23:28.000 Yeah, be fun as fuck, dude. 0.99

01:23:29.000 In a soccer field. 0.99

01:23:30.000 I like it.

01:23:31.000 Rash guards mandatory. 0.99

01:23:32.000 I'm fucking out. 0.98

01:23:34.000 I think the soccer field is a great idea. 0.99

01:23:36.000 Do that and have that Halleck and that other guy fight on a big soccer field.

01:23:40.000 I like that.

01:23:40.000 It would be easy.

01:23:41.000 I like that fight, man. 0.99

01:23:42.000 I don't give a fuck what anybody says. 0.99

01:23:44.000 And props to Halleck Gracie. 0.99

01:23:46.000 Props to Halleck Gracie.

01:23:48.000 I love the fact that you didn't just take a fight after a long time off.

01:23:51.000 You took a fight to pay your debts.

01:23:53.000 You took a chance with Metamorris.

01:23:55.000 I think it's a big thing to take a chance. 0.99

01:23:56.000 All the criticisms aside, which I'm sure he would agree many of them are valid, that fucking guy took a fight to pay his debts. 0.95

01:24:03.000 And he took a chance to start Metamorris in the first place. 0.93

01:24:05.000 It's not an easy thing to do, but to give jiu-jitsu, professional jiu-jitsu, a platform and a high-profile platform and get guys like Eddie to fight guys like Hoyler, get all the guys that he got to fight.

01:24:15.000 He put on some very, very good shows.

01:24:17.000 Josh Barnett.

01:24:18.000 He had some really good high-level guys, and I think it elevated the profile of jiu-jitsu.

01:24:24.000 And then to go in there with that...

01:24:27.000 How do you say his name?

01:24:27.000 Sasaki Kato?

01:24:28.000 Yeah, Kato.

01:24:29.000 Kato.

01:24:30.000 It's not Kato.

01:24:30.000 It's Kato, right?

01:24:31.000 That guy is a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:24:33.000 He's a dangerous, legitimate striker. 1.00

01:24:36.000 He's knocked out Joe Schilling twice.

01:24:37.000 Not only does Halle fight him, he doesn't get hurt.

01:24:40.000 He doesn't get hurt. 0.99

01:24:41.000 He goes three fucking rounds, and he mounts him. 1.00

01:24:44.000 He mounts him. 1.00

01:24:44.000 He's dominating him in the last minute of the last round. 1.00

01:24:47.000 I don't give a fuck what anybody says. 0.99

01:24:49.000 That's what I like about jiu-jitsu. 0.99

01:24:50.000 That's what I like about martial arts.

01:24:52.000 When I see a fight like that, I like it. 0.97

01:24:54.000 That fight was fucking terrible for me. 0.83

01:24:56.000 I'm glad you guys liked it, though. 0.98

01:24:57.000 I'm saying have that on a football field, though.

01:25:00.000 Yeah!

01:25:01.000 Yeah!

01:25:02.000 You gotta get him!

01:25:03.000 There would be no fight.

01:25:04.000 Where did the fight go to the ground?

01:25:08.000 Did they collide with the cage at all?

01:25:10.000 I don't remember.

01:25:11.000 Yeah, I don't even remember.

01:25:13.000 It was against the cage.

01:25:14.000 Yeah, it was against the cage.

01:25:16.000 So we take that cage away.

01:25:17.000 Actually, it's a lot tougher for Halleck with no cage. 1.00

01:25:19.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99

01:25:19.000 It's tougher for everybody. 0.99

01:25:20.000 But it's tougher for Kato to hit him too.

01:25:22.000 Can't corner him either.

01:25:23.000 You can move away.

01:25:24.000 You get zero action.

01:25:26.000 That's okay.

01:25:27.000 Good, good, good, good.

01:25:28.000 Combat Sombo is never in a cage.

01:25:31.000 Combat Sombo is proven that it actually does work.

01:25:35.000 And there's no obstruction.

01:25:37.000 When there's not a wall or a cage, there's no reason to go to the outside.

01:25:41.000 There's plenty of room.

01:25:42.000 It doesn't have to be a football feed. 1.00

01:25:44.000 A basketball court is plenty of fucking room. 0.99

01:25:46.000 I like what happened. 0.99

01:25:48.000 The combat will evolve around the playing surface, the rules, the everything.

01:25:53.000 And having that cage made some beautiful martial arts, though.

01:25:57.000 All the combat against the cage is beautiful.

01:25:59.000 It is, but it's better when there's no other thing there.

01:26:02.000 There's no other factor.

01:26:03.000 It's just two fighters with their bodies.

01:26:05.000 It's a sport when there's a cage.

01:26:06.000 You can eliminate, but it's a sport when there's no cage.

01:26:09.000 You can eliminate a factor, but you can eliminate a factor.

01:26:12.000 It's still not just a fight, because there's no head busts, no eye gouges, no ground strikes, no shots in the back of the head.

01:26:18.000 Same rules.

01:26:19.000 Same rules with no cage.

01:26:21.000 Unified rules of MMA. Cage is not necessary.

01:26:23.000 It would be terrible to watch.

01:26:25.000 Who pissed at your cornflakes this morning? 1.00

01:26:29.000 How the fuck would you keep up with? 0.99

01:26:30.000 I'm not negative. 0.99

01:26:32.000 I like the way it is.

01:26:33.000 I love the way it is.

01:26:34.000 There's nothing wrong with it.

01:26:35.000 Who loves the way it is more than I do?

01:26:37.000 I love it.

01:26:37.000 I do it professionally.

01:26:38.000 You just want it on a football field.

01:26:39.000 I want it on a basketball court.

01:26:41.000 See, we're making improvement.

01:26:43.000 It went from football to basketball.

01:26:44.000 You know the audience on a basketball court?

01:26:46.000 The audience would have to look at the screen the whole time.

01:26:51.000 The audience here, if you're on the floor, you think you've got good seats on the floor.

01:26:54.000 You've got terrible seats if you're on the floor.

01:26:56.000 The 200 people on the floor?

01:26:57.000 The good seats are the risers. 0.99

01:26:59.000 You can't see shit from the floor. 0.98

01:27:04.000 But Eddie, here's the thing. 0.99

01:27:05.000 In a basketball court, there's no floor. 0.98

01:27:07.000 So all that shit that you see that's floor, that would all be risers. 0.98

01:27:10.000 So everything is risers. 0.99

01:27:11.000 In a basketball? 1.00

01:27:12.000 Fuck the floor. 1.00

01:27:13.000 Oh, dude, it would be perfect. 1.00

01:27:14.000 It'd be perfect.

01:27:14.000 It'd be great.

01:27:15.000 But we did get something awesome.

01:27:17.000 Start it up.

01:27:19.000 Eddie and I are going to form an organization.

01:27:20.000 Going to make everyone wear rash guards, too.

01:27:23.000 Mandatory.

01:27:23.000 Love it.

01:27:24.000 No greasing.

01:27:25.000 It eliminates the greasing problem.

01:27:28.000 People are greasing all the time.

01:27:29.000 There's nobody checking.

01:27:30.000 It's illegal, but there are no tests for it.

01:27:32.000 So there's a big problem there.

01:27:34.000 Anytime some guy fights a black belt in jiu-jitsu, of course he's going to grease. 1.00

01:27:39.000 No one's checking.

01:27:41.000 They do check, but you can't really check.

01:27:44.000 No one's getting busted.

01:27:46.000 They're not swabbing their backs.

01:27:48.000 There's Vaseline all over your face.

01:27:52.000 Sports always change rules and add things to increase the offense. 0.99

01:27:57.000 They never change shit to increase the defense. 0.95

01:28:00.000 For the entertainment value. 0.99

01:28:02.000 The NFL does it.

01:28:03.000 NBA does it.

01:28:04.000 They're trying to increase the offense.

01:28:06.000 Baseball does it, too.

01:28:08.000 They do it.

01:28:09.000 They're doing a shot clock for the pitchers.

01:28:11.000 And more offense in fighting...

01:28:13.000 It's more knockouts and more submissions. 0.89

01:28:17.000 The more submissions, the more awesome submissions, people love them, the better for the sport.

01:28:22.000 When guys are greasing up and there's no test, and the easy way to fix that, have them wear rash guards.

01:28:26.000 Have them wear what Juliana Peña's wearing. 1.00

01:28:29.000 No big deal.

01:28:30.000 It's not a problem.

01:28:31.000 Why is it a problem to wear rash guards?

01:28:34.000 Girls wear rash guards all the time. 1.00

01:28:36.000 Because they can't have their titties out. 0.99

01:28:37.000 Exactly.

01:28:37.000 Right, but do you think that they should cover their arms?

01:28:40.000 Should they be able to cover their arms and legs?

01:28:43.000 Aoki tights?

01:28:44.000 Yeah, tights.

01:28:45.000 That's an advantage, though.

01:28:46.000 What an advantage is more offense, dude.

01:28:48.000 That's what we're talking about. 1.00

01:28:49.000 Tweaking shit for more offense. 0.99

01:28:50.000 It eliminates the grease. 1.00

01:28:51.000 Round one, Shevchenko versus Peña.

01:28:54.000 454, 453, 452, 451, 450. The more grease, the less submissions.

01:29:00.000 It's real simple.

01:29:01.000 Oh, man.

01:29:01.000 So this is a really interesting fight here.

01:29:04.000 Shevchenko is one of the best fucking strikers in MMA, period. 0.98

01:29:07.000 Any man, woman, whatever. 0.98

01:29:09.000 She's super solid.

01:29:10.000 And that check right hook that she kept nailing Holly Holm with? 1.00

01:29:14.000 Excellent.

01:29:14.000 Excellent footwork.

01:29:16.000 Super strong Muay Thai.

01:29:17.000 She's more decorated than Ioana and Holly.

01:29:22.000 She beat Ioana in kickboxing.

01:29:24.000 Yeah, she beat Ioana.

01:29:25.000 She's a lot bigger.

01:29:26.000 And now she's about to strip her way out of here. 1.00

01:29:28.000 She's going across the face. 1.00

01:29:29.000 She's way more bulked up now than then, I believe.

01:29:32.000 Yeah, they were the same weight when they fought B. Wow.

01:29:34.000 She's making good choices here against the fence.

01:29:36.000 Everyone agrees that she's got to take her down, right?

01:29:38.000 Yeah.

01:29:39.000 You've got to take Shevchenko down.

01:29:41.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:29:43.000 What if she can't... 0.99

01:29:45.000 She's going to get knocked out. 1.00

01:29:46.000 What is she going to do?

01:29:46.000 She's going to get knocked out.

01:29:47.000 What's next?

01:29:47.000 We're going to see.

01:29:48.000 We're going to see because this is her whole strategy. 1.00

01:29:51.000 Juliana is tough as fuck. 1.00

01:29:52.000 She's very strong, but she's not a striker in the realm of Shevchenko. 0.99

01:29:57.000 The skill discrepancy is massive.

01:29:59.000 Massive.

01:29:59.000 They're not the same plan.

01:30:00.000 She's going to be defensive to close the distance, and then this is what she's going to concentrate on. 0.97

01:30:05.000 And it's going great.

01:30:06.000 Knees the body. 0.90

01:30:06.000 Pena's all heart. 0.90

01:30:09.000 She's got great takedowns. 1.00

01:30:11.000 And that was a great choice.

01:30:12.000 She's a judo black belt.

01:30:13.000 She's going to let that happen.

01:30:15.000 Why would she stop that? 0.77

01:30:16.000 She's a judo black belt.

01:30:17.000 That could have been just a ploy to get the fight to the ground. 0.99

01:30:20.000 Because a lot of people are saying, oh, Pena in the clinch is going to whoop her ass. 1.00

01:30:23.000 I'm like, she's a judo black belt. 1.00

01:30:24.000 Her inside trips and her hips are ridiculous. 1.00

01:30:27.000 Another reason to pull guard. 0.98

01:30:29.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:30:30.000 She's also super physically strong.

01:30:32.000 Pena's doing all the right stuff, though.

01:30:34.000 Go chest to chest fully.

01:30:37.000 But that's also the thing, man.

01:30:39.000 Pena's whole deal is on the ground, being on the ground.

01:30:42.000 And on the ground, she's super solid.

01:30:44.000 But when you're dealing with a woman who's a judo black belt and a nasty kickboxer, boy, you got a weird room to move in. 1.00

01:30:51.000 You got a tough fucking fight. 0.99

01:30:53.000 You do. 0.99

01:30:53.000 It seems like the smart thing to do is don't waste all your energy. 0.99

01:30:57.000 Just pull guard.

01:30:58.000 This is a pretty smart thing to do, too, though. 0.94

01:31:00.000 She's blasting her with knees to the body. 1.00

01:31:02.000 It ain't bad if she could pull it off. 0.91

01:31:04.000 People forget Shevchenko.

01:31:05.000 A lot of people think the Amanda Nunes fight, it was only three rounds.

01:31:09.000 If it was five, Shevchenko probably wins that fight.

01:31:11.000 Hey, here's a pervert question. 0.98

01:31:12.000 Has any girl ever gone down from a shot to the twat? 0.99

01:31:15.000 Girl, I... And will they show the replay? 0.99

01:31:19.000 Because when dudes get kicked in the balls, they show it in slow motion. 0.98

01:31:23.000 She took it down again. 0.99

01:31:26.000 But she's got that great timing on the trip.

01:31:29.000 What about a kick to the titty?

01:31:30.000 She's not resisting. 0.94

01:31:31.000 The feet aren't even on the ground now.

01:31:33.000 She's not resisting the takedown.

01:31:35.000 No, she's just getting tripped.

01:31:36.000 She's throwing knees and she's getting tripped.

01:31:39.000 She wants it on the ground. 0.87

01:31:41.000 And Shevchenko hasn't been regarded once or even close to it.

01:31:44.000 She's just crowding her.

01:31:46.000 Yeah.

01:31:46.000 It's smart with Shevchenko.

01:31:48.000 But at this point, if Juliana could recover a half guard and if she's got half guard game or butterfly game or full guard game, she's just got to recover. 0.62

01:31:57.000 She's trying to slide in and get some kind of guard back. 1.00

01:32:00.000 She's got the chin across. 0.56

01:32:02.000 She could just stand up and back out.

01:32:04.000 She's got to hold on to her.

01:32:05.000 She's got to hold on to her. 0.99

01:32:06.000 She's physically fucking strong, man. 0.99

01:32:08.000 She's like a coil, like a steel coil. 0.99

01:32:13.000 She's got her in three-quarter guard now, so she's good. 0.91

01:32:15.000 Is it legal to strike the breasts? 1.00

01:32:18.000 I mean, it should be.

01:32:19.000 You can't strike...

01:32:20.000 A woman's not wearing genital protection at all, right? 1.00

01:32:23.000 Yeah, they are.

01:32:23.000 Yeah, they got a cup.

01:32:24.000 A cup?

01:32:25.000 No!

01:32:25.000 What kind of a cup?

01:32:27.000 Women? 1.00

01:32:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:32:27.000 Chastity belt. 1.00

01:32:28.000 Do they?

01:32:28.000 Yeah, they wear a cup, right?

01:32:30.000 I don't think so.

01:32:31.000 Are you saying right, or do you know?

01:32:32.000 I'm pretty sure they do.

01:32:33.000 I don't know about that.

01:32:34.000 Young Jamie, can you please look that up?

01:32:36.000 I think that's optional.

01:32:36.000 Why would you?

01:32:36.000 It doesn't look like they're wearing a cup.

01:32:38.000 Well, because that's what I'm saying. 1.00

01:32:40.000 If you got hit with a knee to the clitoris... 0.99

01:32:42.000 I'm sorry for calling a twaddle earlier, ladies. 0.99

01:32:43.000 I was just doing it for comedic effect. 0.99

01:32:45.000 But if you do get hit in your vagina with a knee strike or a kick, I've got to think that's going to be very painful. 1.00

01:32:52.000 We haven't seen it as painful as a testicle. 1.00

01:32:54.000 I've never seen it. 0.99

01:32:54.000 Like where a girl just buckles and goes, oh, like some dudes do. 0.99

01:32:57.000 No.

01:32:58.000 Like when Vanderlei got kicked by Gilbert Iville, he stopped the fight.

01:33:02.000 Kicked him right out of the nut. 0.99

01:33:03.000 Guy, can you punch to the titties? 1.00

01:33:04.000 Like, could you just start elbowing to the tits? 1.00

01:33:06.000 I don't think you can. 0.99

01:33:07.000 I think the breasts are off-limit. 0.97

01:33:08.000 In California, you can.

01:33:10.000 Has anyone got over those rules?

01:33:11.000 I don't know.

01:33:12.000 California.

01:33:13.000 I don't think it's been discussed.

01:33:15.000 Joe, I heard you say before that if groin shots were legal, guys wouldn't be going down like this, and I agree with you 100%.

01:33:22.000 You would become acclimatized to it.

01:33:23.000 There's entire martial arts developed so that you don't take...

01:33:25.000 Look at this.

01:33:26.000 Look at this.

01:33:27.000 Look at that.

01:33:29.000 See, she has a shot here. 1.00

01:33:31.000 Even if she pulls out, she has a chance.

01:33:34.000 That's where her chance is.

01:33:38.000 She should swim and take her to spiderweb right here. 0.99

01:33:41.000 Put that shin behind.

01:33:41.000 She's never putting the shin behind the head.

01:33:45.000 She's got to keep that deep hook. 1.00

01:33:46.000 Her hook isn't deep enough. 0.91

01:33:48.000 She's going to lose it. 1.00

01:33:49.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:33:51.000 What the fuck you doing? 1.00

01:33:53.000 She got taken down. 1.00

01:33:55.000 And landed inside control.

01:33:57.000 And that was still good for her.

01:33:58.000 All she had to do is recover piece by piece, inch by inch.

01:34:01.000 Look, she ended almost in armbar. 1.00

01:34:03.000 That's where she has...

01:34:04.000 She needs to keep doing that. 0.99

01:34:06.000 She's not resisting the takedown.

01:34:08.000 She's letting her take him down.

01:34:09.000 Maybe.

01:34:09.000 She wants to fight on the ground.

01:34:11.000 I'm sure she does.

01:34:11.000 She's losing, but she's getting slammed.

01:34:14.000 She got slammed.

01:34:14.000 But she had a chance.

01:34:15.000 She would have definitely lost if she would have just stayed with her. 0.70

01:34:18.000 But here's my question.

01:34:19.000 When men fight, they don't have them wear any specific type of cup, right? 0.99

01:34:25.000 They don't tell them you have to wear compression shorts.

01:34:27.000 You get checked at the front.

01:34:28.000 You have to at least show your weight.

01:34:29.000 You just have to have a regular job with a cup. 1.00

01:34:32.000 Those are bullshit. 1.00

01:34:33.000 Those are stupid. 1.00

01:34:34.000 Okay, it says, what does it say, Jane? 1.00

01:34:36.000 Male.

01:34:37.000 Female mixed martial art prohibited from wearing groin protection.

01:34:41.000 I did not know that, but imagine on the armbar.

01:34:44.000 It's for ratings.

01:34:44.000 Look at this.

01:34:45.000 Female mixed martial artists wear a chest protector? 1.00

01:34:49.000 That's some bullshit. 1.00

01:34:50.000 That wear a chest protector. 1.00

01:34:53.000 Shall wear a chest protector during competition.

01:34:56.000 Do they mean those sports bras?

01:34:58.000 The chest protector shall be subject to approval by the commission?

01:35:03.000 So they can't have a hard one?

01:35:05.000 Is that what it is?

01:35:06.000 What kind of chest protector are these girls wearing? 1.00

01:35:08.000 What state is this, Jamie?

01:35:12.000 That's the UFC. No kidding.

01:35:15.000 So they're wearing some padding over their nipples or something. 0.97

01:35:18.000 It's subtle, whatever it is. 0.96

01:35:20.000 Like a knee pad.

01:35:23.000 But look how rugged Shevchenko is off that.

01:35:26.000 She's a brute. 0.70

01:35:26.000 She's trying to drag her down. 0.70

01:35:27.000 That might be the last attempt there. 0.99

01:35:30.000 Her core is so goddamn strong. 0.95

01:35:32.000 I mean, she tried so hard to drag her down to the ground like that, but her core is so strong, her takedowns are so strong. 0.96

01:35:39.000 It's one of the things I saw in her first UFC battle.

01:35:41.000 I was like, this girl's not just a cake boxer, man. 1.00

01:35:43.000 She's so physically strong.

01:35:45.000 When you were talking about movement, whether you train with a movement coach or you train with a different kind of strength and conditioning or something, when you can connect the upper and lower through the core so powerfully and have all the, you know, your nervous system be able to move everything together that way, It just makes you better.

01:35:59.000 Sure.

01:36:00.000 And balance, man.

01:36:01.000 No one's got balance like judo players.

01:36:03.000 They're so good at shifting their hips and adjusting their balance. 0.95

01:36:06.000 Those guys are so hard to take down.

01:36:08.000 A lifetime of that.

01:36:09.000 And girls, rather. 0.99

01:36:10.000 Obviously.

01:36:11.000 But you know what?

01:36:12.000 You get that from break dancers.

01:36:14.000 You get that from gymnasts.

01:36:15.000 You even get that from Taekwondo people.

01:36:17.000 Yoga.

01:36:18.000 Like a lot of people that are used to doing things on one leg, like throwing kicks and stuff on one leg.

01:36:22.000 A lot of times those guys can adjust really well in takedown attempts and movement.

01:36:27.000 Do you guys find that Taekwondo people play a better guard?

01:36:31.000 They just have better sophistication with their feet and their legs?

01:36:34.000 You're in a Taekwondo room, sir.

01:36:36.000 No.

01:36:37.000 The guard players have a different kind of flexibility, first of all, because the most important flexibility isn't like full splits.

01:36:44.000 The most important flexibility is groin flexibility.

01:36:46.000 It's like knee to chest, foot to face, the ability to go double lotus, to put your legs behind your head.

01:36:52.000 That's so much more critical than what you use in Taekwondo.

01:36:56.000 So the dexterity is different.

01:36:58.000 I definitely think strong legs plays a big factor.

01:37:01.000 Like, if you're grappling with anybody who's got strong legs for any reason, and then they develop the dexterity and figure out how to use them well.

01:37:08.000 Dexterous legs, yeah.

01:37:09.000 I mean, your legs carry your whole body around all day, man. 0.96

01:37:14.000 Pena's a grinder!

01:37:15.000 Gymnasts and break dancers are doing set routines and break dancers improvise.

01:37:23.000 That's why it's better for jiu-jitsu.

01:37:24.000 Gymnasts do come in and they got that You know, crazy monkey body. 1.00

01:37:31.000 Strength.

01:37:32.000 But jujitsu is about making lightning quick decisions.

01:37:37.000 And so quick that you can't actually make them yourself.

01:37:41.000 Your body's going to make the decisions based on how it was trained.

01:37:46.000 And that's it.

01:37:47.000 If you're thinking about it, you're just...

01:37:48.000 Oh, there you go!

01:37:50.000 Oh man, Penny's a grinder! 0.99

01:37:52.000 She does not give up.

01:37:53.000 That was beautiful.

01:37:55.000 And she pushes her away from the octagon too. 1.00

01:37:57.000 She's fucking tough as shit, man. 1.00

01:37:58.000 Smart as shit. 1.00

01:37:59.000 She described herself, she said, I'm the hardest woman in the MMA. I don't think she said the MMA. I fucked it up. 1.00

01:38:06.000 It could be one round apiece after this one. 0.94

01:38:10.000 When you're outskilled and you're winning with heart, that's what we said going into this one.

01:38:13.000 You're fighting somebody way more skilled and experienced than you in a lot of areas, but you have more heart.

01:38:18.000 That's impressive when you can make that work.

01:38:20.000 Well, Jiu-Jitsu is better than Slovakia. 1.00

01:38:23.000 Oh, I don't know, Eddie.

01:38:24.000 I'm telling you, man.

01:38:25.000 Shevchenko has some nasty Jiu-Jitsu.

01:38:27.000 She's got nasty jiu-jitsu. 1.00

01:38:29.000 And Juliana.

01:38:30.000 Does she have submission wins? 1.00

01:38:31.000 Yes, she does.

01:38:32.000 She does.

01:38:33.000 She's playing double wrist control. 1.00

01:38:35.000 Going old school.

01:38:37.000 Pay close attention to this garb, man.

01:38:38.000 Look at how she puts her head right in her head. 1.00

01:38:39.000 Strong ass legs, too. 0.99

01:38:41.000 Those kickboxing legs. 0.98

01:38:42.000 Those legs are... 1.00

01:38:43.000 They got some fucking horsepower behind them, man. 0.99

01:38:45.000 Who's expending more energy? 0.99

01:38:46.000 I have to see the work.

01:38:47.000 I mean...

01:38:47.000 Here.

01:38:48.000 Who's spending...

01:38:49.000 Both of them.

01:38:49.000 Both of them are.

01:38:50.000 Both of them are.

01:38:53.000 Shevchenko's no joke, man.

01:38:54.000 No.

01:38:55.000 But she's got to ditch that ankle tattoo. 1.00

01:38:58.000 Too late.

01:38:59.000 She's gone for... 0.82

01:39:00.000 Still 1980s.

01:39:01.000 90s, I mean.

01:39:02.000 I don't think she has the setups to tap Pena, based on what I see right here.

01:39:07.000 Unless she hurts her.

01:39:08.000 She gets posture, she lets it go, she gets it, she lets it go.

01:39:12.000 That tells me that posture's not that important to her, and if it's not, there's no way you could have a high-level guard.

01:39:18.000 Oh, yeah?

01:39:30.000 I didn't want to interrupt you, Eddie, but I was like, this is going to be hilarious.

01:39:35.000 What is that called when that happens?

01:39:39.000 Wow.

01:39:39.000 Ironic?

01:39:40.000 Shade and frog?

01:39:41.000 How do you say that?

01:39:42.000 Shade and frog.

01:39:43.000 Who is more wrong than me?

01:39:45.000 It's like the wrongest you could ever be.

01:39:47.000 But she was deceptive.

01:39:47.000 I just didn't know.

01:39:48.000 I just didn't know.

01:39:49.000 To me, so far, it seemed like she wasn't really attacking.

01:39:53.000 That's what I based it on, but she just went for it. 0.99

01:39:56.000 She just swung her hips and just fucking went for it. 1.00

01:39:58.000 Well, Pena got a little cocky in there. 1.00

01:40:00.000 I think she beats Nunez, man.

01:40:02.000 You think she beats Nunez?

01:40:03.000 Yeah.

01:40:04.000 I think she would have beat her the first time if they did four rounds. 1.00

01:40:06.000 So what happened in the first fight?

01:40:08.000 Nunez won a close decision, is that what happened?

01:40:10.000 Shevchenko adapted, and by round three, she was in better shape, but also by round three, she just snapped on it. 0.94

01:40:16.000 Here's the thing about Nunez, man.

01:40:19.000 She's a nasty, vicious striker, but you are just not going to be able to tee off like that on Shevchenko.

01:40:27.000 She's not going to be there.

01:40:29.000 She's not going to be there.

01:40:31.000 She's not going to be there.

01:40:32.000 She's going to be standing southpaw, first of all. 0.82

01:40:33.000 She's going to be sliding off to the right. 0.98

01:40:35.000 She's always going to threaten with that checkbook. 1.00

01:40:38.000 She's going to throw nasty leg kicks. 1.00

01:40:40.000 She's going to chew your legs up. 1.00

01:40:42.000 You know, once the...

01:40:45.000 I used to commentate for Pride, Pride 10, Henzo fought Sakuraba.

01:40:49.000 I'm commentating.

01:40:50.000 I'm the color guy.

01:40:51.000 And Sakuraba has a Kimura grip on Henzo.

01:40:55.000 And my commentary was, well, that's not going to work.

01:40:58.000 I mean, it may be working.

01:40:59.000 I said, it may work on guys at his gym.

01:41:02.000 I said, it may work, but trust me, it's not going to work on Henzo.

01:41:06.000 Boom! 0.99

01:41:07.000 He gets it and breaks his arm.

01:41:12.000 That's a real story.

01:41:13.000 So that was worse than that because I was actually commentating the show.

01:41:17.000 I'm telling you, you might be looking at the best women's MMA fighter in the world right there. 1.00

01:41:20.000 She's fucking good. 0.98

01:41:20.000 She is, brother. 0.98

01:41:21.000 You see Amanda Nunes as a mullet? 1.00

01:41:23.000 Yep.

01:41:24.000 Hey, that's her call.

01:41:25.000 It's her head.

01:41:25.000 Did you see it?

01:41:26.000 It's her call.

01:41:26.000 It's her head.

01:41:27.000 No, I celebrate that.

01:41:29.000 Quote of the night.

01:41:29.000 It's her call.

01:41:30.000 It's her head.

01:41:31.000 World champ and a mullet? 1.00

01:41:32.000 Eddie, when you think about it, okay, you are one of the fucking world experts in something. 0.99

01:41:38.000 And even you can be fooled by watching that. 0.95

01:41:40.000 So when people are saying they know what's going to happen or making picks, even the highest level of expertise in the world can be deceived by what you see.

01:41:49.000 I don't know if that's a You were right up until that moment and then you saw something that made you give a bit a different perspective of it This is what I've been trying to tell people about all martial arts like when you were looking at Fedor whether looking at Kane in the moment you can have an idea of how good someone is you can have an idea of what's gonna happen if they fight somebody else but Really you never know,

01:42:12.000 and really you never know how good it's going to look until the whole thing's gone down.

01:42:18.000 A perfect example is Ronda Rousey.

01:42:20.000 If you look at Ronda Rousey, Ronda, when she was dominating women, was dominating women that, let's be honest, At that stage of women's MMA, it was flourishing, it was growing, but you had Gina Carano vs Cyborg, and that was the highest expression of women's MMA before the UFC. So you have Strikeforce, 0.55

01:42:38.000 Strikeforce has some very good fights, Ronda shines, Misha shines, and then boom, they're in the UFC, and the women are sort of not, you know, you get Betch Cohea, you got Alexis Davis, you're not getting this! 0.99

01:42:52.000 This is some next level shit. 0.98

01:42:55.000 And this is what happens, man. 0.99

01:42:57.000 Just like MMA from 97, 2017 has exploded and become a totally different thing.

01:43:02.000 This is the same way.

01:43:03.000 Same with the women. 1.00

01:43:04.000 But that doesn't mean that Matt Hughes isn't one of the greatest fucking welterweights of all time. 0.80

01:43:09.000 Even though Matt Hughes maybe doesn't stack up with today. 0.90

01:43:12.000 You gotta look at the time.

01:43:14.000 He's an iPhone 1. And now he's got an iPhone 6. And at the time, iPhone 1 was sick.

01:43:21.000 But compared to the fucking 7. It was fucking the best phone going. 0.99

01:43:24.000 But the world changes. 0.99

01:43:26.000 And people change.

01:43:27.000 And they change moment to moment, too.

01:43:28.000 And the truth, like, the word truth, you know, we describe things with opinions and using limited language and all of these things.

01:43:36.000 But the truth is the moment. 0.97

01:43:37.000 Of all the cliches in fucking sports, the moment of truth is the fucking best one. 0.98

01:43:44.000 You go into a fight and they say, go, that is the moment of truth. 0.99

01:43:48.000 It's fucking truth. 0.99

01:43:49.000 Can Ryzen do Cyborg versus Ronda? 0.99

01:43:53.000 No.

01:43:54.000 I don't think Ronda would ever do that.

01:43:57.000 First of all, I don't think contractually she could fight outside the UFC, and I don't think she would fight outside the UFC, and I definitely don't think she'd fight Cyborg. 0.98

01:44:05.000 Eddie's trying to see people die and shit. 0.98

01:44:07.000 She retires? 1.00

01:44:08.000 You want to see people die?

01:44:09.000 That ends the contract once you retire, right?

01:44:10.000 No.

01:44:11.000 I'm retired.

01:44:12.000 I'm retired.

01:44:12.000 As soon as I want to fight somewhere else, the UFC goes, cool, here's your contract.

01:44:17.000 They freeze it.

01:44:18.000 Like Walt Disney.

01:44:19.000 They freeze it.

01:44:21.000 Okay.

01:44:22.000 It's true.

01:44:22.000 Yep.

01:44:23.000 Yeah, it's not that simple, and I don't think she would do that anyway.

01:44:26.000 No.

01:44:27.000 No, that'd be a terrible idea.

01:44:29.000 Why not?

01:44:29.000 Because I think, first of all, Cyborg is probably walking around north of 190. So nice.

01:44:35.000 Are you being serious?

01:44:36.000 I'm not exaggerating.

01:44:36.000 She was doing deadlifts with 300. She's mad at me, by the way.

01:44:40.000 Who?

01:44:40.000 She blocked me on Twitter.

01:44:41.000 She doesn't like me either.

01:44:42.000 Cyborg, if you listen...

01:44:44.000 I'm not a hater.

01:44:45.000 I'm not a hater.

01:44:46.000 But I have to call him like I see him, good or bad.

01:44:48.000 I tweeted a long time ago that I'd like to see the UFC open a 145-pound division so Cyborg could fight the people that are her weight class. 0.61

01:44:54.000 You're welcome, Cyborg.

01:44:55.000 But I was saying that a long time ago because this is even before all the controversy where me and Tony got in trouble for joking around about her.

01:45:02.000 But this was, I was saying, like, it's crazy to try to make this girl go to 35. She's not a 35-pound fighter. 1.00

01:45:07.000 She should struggle to get to 45. Let her fight at 45 and let's see what's up. 1.00

01:45:11.000 Build it.

01:45:11.000 They will come.

01:45:12.000 They will be contented.

01:45:13.000 It's going to take a while. 1.00

01:45:14.000 Look at that fucking moment. 0.99

01:45:15.000 What are they saying right here? 1.00

01:45:16.000 What are they saying?

01:45:17.000 I'm in the middle of something.

01:45:18.000 She got upset because they're saying, you know, I'm going to fight you and I'm going to win.

01:45:23.000 And then she got mad.

01:45:24.000 They're both there.

01:45:25.000 And one laughs at the other one.

01:45:26.000 She looks like a bad guy from Commando, an 80s movie.

01:45:29.000 What's going on here? 1.00

01:45:30.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:45:31.000 Get it, girl. 1.00

01:45:32.000 Crazy. 0.83

01:45:32.000 That's Russian dance. 0.83

01:45:33.000 That's Russian twerking. 1.00

01:45:35.000 There are hard people.

01:45:37.000 She's rough. 0.89

01:45:38.000 She's rough. 0.89

01:45:39.000 That's a super athlete right there.

01:45:41.000 Can we hear what she said?

01:45:43.000 Yeah, we can back it up here. 1.00

01:45:45.000 Jamie, give us some volume so we can hear that shit. 1.00

01:45:49.000 She's a badass Cossack. 1.00

01:45:50.000 But anyway, about the cyborg thing, I gotta tell the truth on both sides. 1.00

01:45:54.000 Yeah, you might have to wheel kick a bitch. 1.00

01:45:55.000 I hear you, Joe. 1.00

01:45:55.000 No! 1.00

01:45:56.000 I gotta tell the truth on both sides.

01:45:57.000 And she failed two USADA tests.

01:45:59.000 Not one, but two.

01:46:00.000 You know, one of them was from a different drug, and this one is for some diuretic that's also used as a DHT inhibitor.

01:46:06.000 This is not, like, this is public news.

01:46:09.000 Yeah, that's not gossip.

01:46:10.000 You're being fair.

01:46:10.000 It's documented.

01:46:11.000 It is what it is.

01:46:12.000 You know, she shouldn't have taken something that was banned, and it would have never been an issue.

01:46:15.000 But...

01:46:17.000 Let's hear this first.

01:46:18.000 I'd pay money to have her attack Tony and Brian. 1.00

01:46:21.000 What's that?

01:46:22.000 What'd Brian do?

01:46:24.000 Here we go.

01:46:25.000 I said, many people asked me before the fight, Valentina, you're a striker.

01:46:30.000 Juliana is a wrestler.

01:46:31.000 How are you?

01:46:33.000 How you want to deal this?

01:46:34.000 I love it.

01:46:39.000 She is.

01:46:53.000 She waits for the knee and look at this trip.

01:46:56.000 World class.

01:46:58.000 Yeah, I love those.

01:46:59.000 Timing, real class timing. 1.00

01:47:06.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:47:08.000 And she is not the slightest. 1.00

01:47:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:10.000 Look at that.

01:47:10.000 Nice friendly smile.

01:47:12.000 God, her outfit is sick.

01:47:20.000 What are you guys going to do?

01:47:21.000 We're going to do it again and then we're going to finish it when we're going to prove it.

01:47:25.000 Let's do it one more time.

01:47:27.000 You know, I every time said, be careful with your words because every time it will come back to you.

01:47:36.000 It is so hilarious. 0.99

01:47:37.000 It's a broken English shit talk. 1.00

01:47:39.000 This is a broken English roast battle. 1.00

01:47:46.000 It's a roast battle with broken English.

01:47:47.000 It's hilarious.

01:47:49.000 Eddie Bravo's like, play that back.

01:47:53.000 Let's look at her dance again.

01:47:55.000 She can dance. 0.50

01:47:57.000 Oh, dude.

01:47:58.000 She's an athlete, man. 0.98

01:47:59.000 She's so goddamn powerful. 1.00

01:48:01.000 Shit-talking was so bad. 1.00

01:48:02.000 Damn, that's going to be a great fight. 1.00

01:48:04.000 All of a sudden, we're moving ahead. 0.99

01:48:06.000 We're moving forward.

01:48:07.000 Yeah, they've done it before.

01:48:08.000 We're moving forward.

01:48:09.000 Yeah, we're moving forward.

01:48:11.000 It's like they had a fight before.

01:48:12.000 That's even better.

01:48:14.000 This is a rematch.

01:48:14.000 That's even better.

01:48:15.000 No matter when it happens, you're going to get that tape and you're going to chop it up.

01:48:18.000 But what she said is so important, because what she said there is that you're seeing two real world champion-caliber mixed martial artists.

01:48:28.000 They can do everything.

01:48:29.000 Nunes is a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, choked out Misha Tate.

01:48:32.000 Hits like a tank.

01:48:33.000 Choked out Sarah McMahon. 0.98

01:48:34.000 I mean, she's a beast, dude. 1.00

01:48:35.000 She's nasty. 1.00

01:48:36.000 She's fucking power-punching. 1.00

01:48:37.000 She's a long reach. 1.00

01:48:39.000 She gets after it.

01:48:40.000 She's super dangerous. 1.00

01:48:41.000 I would fuck that cheeseburger up right now, by the way. 1.00

01:48:43.000 It looks good, right? 0.99

01:48:44.000 Right?

01:48:45.000 If only it was healthy.

01:48:48.000 That's nice wine, Brian.

01:48:50.000 We don't play around. 1.00

01:48:51.000 Brian knows his shit. 1.00

01:48:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:48:52.000 He knows his shit when it comes to wine. 1.00

01:48:53.000 He'll talk to a sommelier about grape locations. 1.00

01:48:55.000 Darn right I will, Bobby.

01:48:57.000 Where they grow them on the hill. 0.56

01:48:58.000 Grape locations, I will.

01:48:59.000 The weather that year.

01:49:00.000 He knows the difference between a Burgundy and a Pinot.

01:49:02.000 Well, actually, it's kind of the same.

01:49:04.000 We were talking about how people talked about wine 50 years ago.

01:49:12.000 Way different than they talk about and understand wine now.

01:49:15.000 And that's the same thing with fighting and what we see.

01:49:17.000 Those women are so much better than women's fighting was one year ago and two years ago. 1.00

01:49:24.000 Oh, fuck it. 1.00

01:49:25.000 But you're right. 1.00

01:49:25.000 The details. 1.00

01:49:26.000 Well, it's interesting how quick it happened.

01:49:28.000 It's just it took a while for them to get into the UFC, and then it took a while for them to find their place.

01:49:32.000 And then when you see someone like Ioana, it was super evident when Ioana fought Carlos Barzai and when she fought Juliana Pena.

01:49:41.000 When she fought Jessica, when she fought Jessica Pena. 1.00

01:49:45.000 Jessica Pena.

01:49:46.000 I know I always mess it up, too. 0.88

01:49:47.000 I fucked it up. 0.95

01:49:47.000 When she fought Jessica Pena, it was a murking. 0.95

01:49:50.000 It was nasty. 0.94

01:49:52.000 She was smashing her and slicing her up with elbows. 1.00

01:49:54.000 We call it nip-tuck. 0.89

01:49:55.000 She had her nose job. 1.00

01:49:55.000 It was rough. 1.00

01:49:56.000 It was rough.

01:49:57.000 And when you see that, you're like, okay, well, this didn't exist before.

01:50:01.000 When you watch those kind of lightning-fast combinations, that front kick to the face she hits those girls with, bang! 1.00

01:50:07.000 She just digs the hips in. 1.00

01:50:08.000 That nasty, long jab that she has, just super high-level striking. 1.00

01:50:13.000 And I think when you see that and you open the door to that, it's like we were talking about before about Yair.

01:50:19.000 Build it and they will come. 1.00

01:50:20.000 All these other women are going to step in and they'll fill that void and rise up to that level. 1.00

01:50:25.000 Yeah, the base level rises.

01:50:28.000 Like the base level, the average level goes up.

01:50:33.000 Am I still watching another fight?

01:50:34.000 Yeah, we could watch another fight, but that's some news.

01:50:37.000 I can't watch TV news.

01:50:38.000 No, you can't watch that.

01:50:40.000 Tim Sylvia Noguera.

01:50:41.000 Want to watch that?

01:50:42.000 Hell yeah.

01:50:42.000 Can we get that on Fight Pass?

01:50:45.000 Love it.

01:50:45.000 I think it's on Fight Pass.

01:50:46.000 See if you can find it on Fight Pass.

01:50:47.000 See if you can get Donna 5000 Kimball. 0.98

01:50:49.000 Don't.

01:50:50.000 Don't.

01:50:51.000 I don't know if that fight represented, but anytime two...

01:50:54.000 I was going to say athletes.

01:50:55.000 I don't know.

01:50:55.000 Maybe you got me on this one.

01:50:57.000 Kimbo's an athlete.

01:50:57.000 Kimbo was an athlete.

01:50:58.000 What about Hoy's Ken Shamrock?

01:50:59.000 That was a great fight.

01:51:00.000 The new one?

01:51:01.000 And they were 50. I mean...

01:51:02.000 People watched it.

01:51:04.000 It got crazy.

01:51:04.000 I couldn't wait for it to start.

01:51:07.000 Did you enjoy the fight?

01:51:08.000 Yeah.

01:51:08.000 You couldn't wait for it?

01:51:09.000 Why do you gotta be young to fight?

01:51:11.000 Old dudes can fight. 0.93

01:51:12.000 I agree.

01:51:12.000 What about you?

01:51:13.000 We need to have an old man lead. 1.00

01:51:14.000 We need a senior tour.

01:51:17.000 We need a senior tour.

01:51:17.000 And we have like obstacles.

01:51:19.000 Like fucking garbage cans and shit. 1.00

01:51:21.000 Things laying around a pizza box. 1.00

01:51:22.000 On a football field.

01:51:23.000 Two grandpas, football field, no rules. 0.97

01:51:25.000 We leave pizza boxes laying all around the field, so dudes slip on them and shit, and they fight on grass, wet grass, like right after the sprinklers. 1.00

01:51:36.000 The sprinklers kick on and the crowd roars because that means the fight's about to start. 0.82

01:51:40.000 That would change a lot.

01:51:43.000 You might as well fight on skates.

01:51:44.000 Then you have dudes come out and they throw the pizza boxes down and they have guys come in and place the garbage cans. 1.00

01:51:49.000 The garbage cans are filled with like fucking used cat food cans and shit. 1.00

01:51:53.000 It's all fucked up. 1.00

01:51:54.000 Diapers. 1.00

01:51:55.000 What?

01:51:55.000 Yeah, because you've got to plow into them.

01:51:57.000 It's going to be like an old dude fighting championship. 0.70

01:52:00.000 Super hot cheerleaders. 1.00

01:52:02.000 Before they get started, they get drunk.

01:52:04.000 The dudes sit there and they drink.

01:52:05.000 Just the seniors.

01:52:06.000 Everybody, you have to have at least four drinks before the fight starts.

01:52:10.000 They pour them out.

01:52:10.000 They stare at each other at the bar.

01:52:12.000 They do the shots.

01:52:13.000 And then the doctor goes, okay, we're good.

01:52:15.000 They should be drunk.

01:52:16.000 And they push them out there.

01:52:18.000 You can just go downtown LA if you want.

01:52:20.000 No, that's crack, bro.

01:52:21.000 That's not healthy.

01:52:22.000 The thing about any of those changes you just made, they all change everything.

01:52:27.000 Yeah.

01:52:27.000 Like, change any one thing and everything changes.

01:52:30.000 If we suddenly allow, like, kicks to the head of a downed opponent, four points is a whole different game.

01:52:34.000 Every position is different.

01:52:36.000 I like it.

01:52:37.000 I think, we were talking about it, I think there should be no rules of any kind.

01:52:42.000 We're not eye gouging.

01:52:43.000 Yeah, eye gouging, biting everything.

01:52:46.000 Are you going to have this?

01:52:47.000 Go back to Canada. 0.91

01:52:50.000 This is a parallel universe in which we could do this where it isn't a sport.

01:52:56.000 Nobody will watch this.

01:52:57.000 Let me get to you right here.

01:52:59.000 What if regenerative medicine reaches a point where they can literally shoot stem cells right into your eyeballs, grow you a new eyeball, 100% guarantee?

01:53:10.000 It's no different than you getting one stitch.

01:53:14.000 You get a cut that needs one stitch.

01:53:16.000 It's your eyeball.

01:53:17.000 It's nothing. 0.97

01:53:18.000 But they're just going to shoot.

01:53:19.000 You know that they do that now with third degree burns.

01:53:22.000 Dudes have horrible burns all over their arms.

01:53:23.000 They spray them with stem cells and your skin grows back in like a matter of a few days.

01:53:28.000 It's amazing.

01:53:29.000 Really?

01:53:29.000 People who are scarred for life now have no visible scars whatsoever.

01:53:32.000 What?

01:53:33.000 Even old scars?

01:53:34.000 No, no, no.

01:53:35.000 It has to be fresh.

01:53:36.000 It has to be fresh.

01:53:37.000 But while you have all that damage all over your body, they spray stem cells all over your body, and your body just grows tissue.

01:53:44.000 It looks amazing.

01:53:45.000 Jamie, pull it up. 0.98

01:53:46.000 That's fucking amazing. 0.99

01:53:47.000 And then spray it. 0.99

01:53:48.000 Well, maybe.

01:53:49.000 Maybe.

01:53:50.000 That's a good idea.

01:53:50.000 I love technology.

01:53:52.000 Oh, it's amazing.

01:53:52.000 I mean, that's probably the future.

01:53:54.000 But once they reach that point where a guy biting your nose off doesn't really mean you lost your nose.

01:53:59.000 Right.

01:53:59.000 That's so sick.

01:54:00.000 All you have to do is spray it.

01:54:00.000 Then you take pictures.

01:54:02.000 Hey, I'm at the gym.

01:54:03.000 Look up my nose cavity.

01:54:05.000 Doctor says another three days. 0.99

01:54:06.000 I'm like to pick your head in fire for three seconds. 0.97

01:54:09.000 That's so weird. 0.99

01:54:11.000 Look up there.

01:54:12.000 Eddie, look up there.

01:54:14.000 Look at this.

01:54:14.000 See, before, after.

01:54:16.000 Fucking massive burns! 1.00

01:54:18.000 Was it a black person before? 1.00

01:54:18.000 White after? 1.00

01:54:19.000 Yeah, you turn white, but you're healthy. 0.97

01:54:22.000 No. 0.96

01:54:22.000 It sprays the victim's own stem cells onto the wounds, and it regenerates tissue at a fucking ridiculously fast rate. 0.96

01:54:30.000 I didn't say that. 0.97

01:54:31.000 No, it does, man. 0.97

01:54:32.000 Look, you could go into it online and see the studies that they've shown, but it's fucking amazing. 0.92

01:54:38.000 Severe burns, and they're able to do this procedure. 0.96

01:54:42.000 90 minutes.

01:54:42.000 Yeah, 90 minutes, and within weeks, they're 100% healed.

01:54:46.000 That's insane.

01:54:47.000 Permanent results within days.

01:54:48.000 Look at that.

01:54:49.000 Stem cells regenerate the skin, leaving no scars.

01:54:52.000 Do we know this is legit?

01:54:53.000 100%?

01:54:54.000 No, this is 100%.

01:54:55.000 Is this real?

01:54:56.000 100%.

01:54:56.000 Sounds like a scam.

01:54:57.000 No, that's a lab.

01:54:58.000 It's on YouTube.

01:54:58.000 What is it, from NASA? Eddie's on YouTube.

01:55:00.000 And it's in the library.

01:55:01.000 Oh, it's on YouTube.

01:55:02.000 It's on YouTube.

01:55:03.000 You saw this on YouTube or did you see this in the library?

01:55:05.000 I just said that.

01:55:06.000 It's both.

01:55:06.000 I said both.

01:55:07.000 It's both.

01:55:08.000 YouTube and the library.

01:55:08.000 He went to the Dewey Decimal System and he looked it up.

01:55:10.000 It's double proven.

01:55:11.000 When was the last time you went to the library, Brendan?

01:55:13.000 What is a library?

01:55:15.000 Oh, we went to a library in Vancouver this week.

01:55:18.000 They don't teach Canadians how to read?

01:55:20.000 We did some research on you.

01:55:24.000 We didn't know what your background was.

01:55:26.000 We didn't know if you were working for the other side.

01:55:28.000 So now we imagine it's okay.

01:55:29.000 We can bite, we can tear out, whatever.

01:55:31.000 Okay, if that's the case, and you can rebuild tissue 100%, why not?

01:55:35.000 And the reason it would be fascinating is because over time, you'd never get...

01:55:39.000 Well, actually, if we can rebuild it...

01:55:51.000 They're working on regenerating traumatic brain injuries.

01:55:55.000 What if it gets to the point where you go to kickboxing class, you know you can't ever spar because of brain damage.

01:56:00.000 What if every night you could go in and knock out ten dudes?

01:56:03.000 You get knocked out three times?

01:56:04.000 It's not as cool anymore, is it?

01:56:07.000 Because the risk isn't there.

01:56:08.000 Dude, that'll always be cool.

01:56:09.000 Everyone was sit and trade.

01:56:10.000 It's not about killing brain cells.

01:56:12.000 It's about shutting a dude off and dominating them. 0.86

01:56:14.000 No, it's about killing brain cells. 0.99

01:56:15.000 It's about shutting them off and dominating them.

01:56:17.000 No, Eddie's right.

01:56:18.000 If there's no consequences physically, yeah, I mean, then it's a totally different thing.

01:56:22.000 I would call Jiu-Jitsu and do Muay Thai.

01:56:24.000 Then no one's cowboy anymore.

01:56:25.000 Okay, but that's not true.

01:56:27.000 It's not true because that's Jiu-Jitsu.

01:56:29.000 Because Jiu-Jitsu, you're killing each other without killing each other. 0.93

01:56:31.000 When Jiu-Jitsu, you get a guy's back and you fucking put that choke on him, he taps, he's basically saying, you killed me. 0.99

01:56:37.000 If we were in the wild, we were in the jungle, you would have killed me. 0.99

01:56:39.000 So you let them go, you slap hands, you start again.

01:56:41.000 It's better.

01:56:42.000 Like, jujitsu people, I think, have a better bond than, at least the gyms that I've been around, than a lot of people that boxing spar and kickboxing spar because they hurt each other more.

01:56:51.000 I agree with that 100%.

01:56:52.000 Yeah, you have a weird relationship with each other.

01:56:54.000 Like, guys I used to spar kickboxing with, they're those weird relationships.

01:56:57.000 We're trying to hurt each other all the time.

01:57:00.000 No, I was trying to hurt these guys.

01:57:01.000 They were trying to hurt me. 1.00

01:57:02.000 They're breaking my nose and shit. 0.99

01:57:04.000 I think mentally, too, because it does hurt. 0.99

01:57:06.000 It doesn't hurt.

01:57:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:57:08.000 When you're doing enough, you can tap out whenever you want.

01:57:10.000 It hurts when you hit them.

01:57:12.000 It hurts the ego, but physically. 0.70

01:57:14.000 Like a jab from the head. 1.00

01:57:16.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:57:17.000 You don't want to get wrecked. 1.00

01:57:19.000 How many times you've been hitting the bag, you think about some time that some dude fucked you up in sparring, just rocked you in sparring. 0.92

01:57:24.000 You get mad when you're hitting the bag. 0.98

01:57:26.000 You want revenge.

01:57:28.000 It's totally different.

01:57:29.000 Yeah, the scores that got settled even subconsciously when they spar.

01:57:32.000 Oh, he wants more wine.

01:57:33.000 The Indian's out. 1.00

01:57:35.000 I don't know why we don't get tequila, Alfred.

01:57:37.000 That's actually a very valuable knife.

01:57:39.000 That was given to me by Justin Wren.

01:57:41.000 He got it from some people in the Congo because we built wells for them.

01:57:44.000 I was actually going to stab him if he poured me another drink.

01:57:47.000 That's what that was about. 0.96

01:57:49.000 Don't do it. 1.00

01:57:49.000 Pour me another drink or I'll stab you. 1.00

01:57:51.000 It's the opposite. 0.99

01:57:52.000 Good move.

01:57:53.000 Discipline.

01:57:55.000 We've been through this already.

01:57:58.000 Speaking of being able to fight like that, what if virtual reality, you went to fight, it doesn't really work if you're virtual reality-ing somebody because you don't get hurt.

01:58:07.000 What if they use taser technology in with it, so as you got hit, you got tased?

01:58:12.000 You know what, man? 0.98

01:58:12.000 Virtual reality doesn't work because it doesn't hurt, but goddamn, it's good for drilling. 0.98

01:58:17.000 I've only done it with boxing. 0.98

01:58:18.000 I only did it once.

01:58:19.000 It's kind of weird because, you know, if you look at gloves, if you're looking at your gloves in front of you, If you think if you have your hands like this, that's how the gloves will look.

01:58:29.000 But it's not.

01:58:30.000 The gloves are like this.

01:58:32.000 So if you hold your hands like this, so you're in front of the guy, and you find yourself throwing punches like this because you want your fist to look like an actual punch.

01:58:40.000 It's a little odd like that, like they gotta polish that up.

01:58:43.000 But other than that, when the guy hits you, you see a flash of light.

01:58:46.000 That's not enough.

01:58:48.000 It's not enough, but it's interesting.

01:58:51.000 A little bit of a zap would be better.

01:58:53.000 But as far as just developing your skills, it's feedback.

01:58:59.000 And really that's all you need is feedback.

01:59:00.000 And then you would figure out a way to get so good at the game and get your head movement so on point that this virtual guy could never hit you and your skills would be super sharp.

01:59:10.000 Then you could move into another stage of it.

01:59:13.000 So that you wouldn't have like...

01:59:14.000 There's one of the things that's a big problem with teaching people how to strike is the panic of getting hit.

01:59:18.000 Like you can look great on pads, but then when you're actually sparring, there's the panic of getting hit.

01:59:23.000 So how do you get a person past that panic?

01:59:25.000 Well, you got to get them to spar light. 0.94

01:59:27.000 And you got to get them to trust people and develop their skills so that as the punch comes, you're not locking up because some fucking Francis Ngannou dude is throwing nuclear missiles at your dome. 0.93

01:59:37.000 No, someone's just touching you and you learn to do it that way. 0.93

01:59:40.000 You can do that virtually.

01:59:41.000 You can't do it with everything.

01:59:42.000 It's not going to work with jiu-jitsu because there's too much moving and scrambling and choking.

01:59:46.000 Not right now.

01:59:47.000 And you feel them.

01:59:48.000 But what you don't have is...

01:59:54.000 It's going to be difficult to throw kicks.

01:59:57.000 Kicks are going to be weird.

01:59:58.000 Maybe you could do that, but you'd have to have something on your legs. 0.91

02:00:01.000 Soldiers try, our military does it, where they try to mimic it through computers, and then they try to the exact T and put them in stressful situations, and then when the bullets are really firing, a lot of them, when it's real, there's nothing they can do to mimic it.

02:00:14.000 It helps for sure.

02:00:16.000 It didn't hurt.

02:00:16.000 I played one of those games in Afghanistan where they gave us rifles and you had noise and video.

02:00:22.000 It's so stressful.

02:00:23.000 You get so pumped, but it's still a video game.

02:00:25.000 It's just not the same.

02:00:25.000 And what the Navy SEAL was telling us, he's like, even we do all that, and even when the real bullet's flying, I'll look behind me and the guy's just frozen.

02:00:32.000 Because it's real.

02:00:33.000 He knows the consequences.

02:00:34.000 The big problem with the virtual reality boxing thing is you're actually not hitting anything.

02:00:39.000 You need to practice the impact.

02:00:41.000 So my idea is, and this is crazy.

02:00:43.000 But there's no weight.

02:00:44.000 It's okay, I'm telling you.

02:00:45.000 There's a man, like a robot, on some kind of thing that gets controlled like this, and he moves.

02:00:51.000 You're actually boxing a robot.

02:00:53.000 He's got balloons.

02:00:54.000 He's got actual balloons for fists with powder on it.

02:00:57.000 So you want to not get a bunch of blue powder all over you.

02:01:00.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:01.000 So you're boxing.

02:01:02.000 He's got balloons for hands. 1.00

02:01:03.000 So you gotta like hit shit and you know. 0.99

02:01:06.000 They did that, buddy. 1.00

02:01:07.000 Is that a movie?

02:01:07.000 Is someone controlling you?

02:01:09.000 Your coach is controlling you.

02:01:10.000 That's a movie.

02:01:11.000 Wolverine played him.

02:01:13.000 Who's the actor, Wolverine?

02:01:14.000 They did that movie.

02:01:15.000 Oh, I ripped it off.

02:01:16.000 What are these?

02:01:16.000 Oh, these are for football?

02:01:18.000 Oh, cool. 1.00

02:01:18.000 Yeah, like that kind of shit. 1.00

02:01:19.000 They chase after you on a robot. 1.00

02:01:21.000 Exactly.

02:01:21.000 Eddie, they stole your idea.

02:01:23.000 That's a good idea.

02:01:24.000 But what I'm thinking is the foam arms.

02:01:26.000 But something to control.

02:01:27.000 But you know that thing that I got in my garage, Eddie, that rubber guy, you know, it's just a torso, and you can accommodate each punch on him?

02:01:34.000 His name's Bob.

02:01:34.000 You have something like that with arms.

02:01:37.000 Yeah, and it throws real combos.

02:01:39.000 Yeah, you give him a bone on the upper arm, you know, you give him some rigidity, but then the lower arm, for the forearms down, you just have it as just a rubber.

02:01:47.000 Can you imagine just the one-two you could do with the robot?

02:01:50.000 Just the one-two, it's just a robot, and you just gotta program it to go... 0.94

02:01:59.000 If you can avoid the robot, it's not like a real fight, but damn, it's pretty damn close. 0.96

02:02:06.000 You're avoiding these combos that are programmed in by nerds. 0.79

02:02:11.000 The Wing Chun dummy was some rudimentary concept related to that.

02:02:16.000 No, because it didn't move.

02:02:18.000 Someone's controlling it.

02:02:19.000 If you start with no movement, you start with an object and then later it moves.

02:02:21.000 I'm telling you, this virtual reality thing is really, there's something to it.

02:02:25.000 But you're not hitting anything.

02:02:26.000 It doesn't matter because you're moving and you're shadowboxing.

02:02:30.000 A lot of shadowboxing, you're not hitting anything but you're visualizing.

02:02:33.000 This time you're visualizing but something's in front of you and when you hit it, it's head snaps back.

02:02:38.000 And you can move away from shots and dig to the body.

02:02:41.000 My idea's better, but I like that one.

02:02:42.000 That one could work.

02:02:43.000 You could combine the ideas.

02:02:44.000 The two of them are great together, and that's going to happen.

02:02:47.000 Get Elon Musk on it.

02:02:48.000 We'll have it next week.

02:02:50.000 Bigger and better.

02:02:51.000 Get NASA on it.

02:02:52.000 You link up with Elon Musk.

02:02:54.000 Teach him how to fight.

02:02:56.000 Who are you calling, Brian?

02:02:57.000 Elon Musk if you want.

02:02:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:02:59.000 You bought a Tesla, you get a phone call.

02:03:01.000 One phone call.

02:03:02.000 It comes with a car?

02:03:03.000 Yeah, I'm a celebrity. 0.99

02:03:04.000 I'm fucking on TV. I saw that Mickey Garcia fight. 0.99

02:03:07.000 You were telling me about it.

02:03:08.000 Mikey or Mickey?

02:03:09.000 Mikey.

02:03:09.000 Mikey Garcia.

02:03:10.000 34-0 or 36-0?

02:03:12.000 It was a horrible knockout.

02:03:13.000 How bad?

02:03:14.000 I thought the guy died.

02:03:15.000 It probably took two minutes to get him up.

02:03:16.000 And Garcia, he took like a couple years off because of promotional problems, right?

02:03:21.000 So they got problems in MMA and boxing that are real similar in that way. 0.98

02:03:25.000 Where they tied up with promoters and shit goes down. 0.60

02:03:28.000 But there's so many promoters in boxing. 0.99

02:03:31.000 You got the Goosens. 1.00

02:03:32.000 You got Bob Arum. 1.00

02:03:33.000 You got, you know, fucking Floyd Mayweather Productions, The Money Team. 0.99

02:03:37.000 Gennady Gloftin has his own. 0.99

02:03:39.000 Gennady Gloftin has his own?

02:03:40.000 Canelo has his own.

02:03:41.000 Canelo has his own promotion team?

02:03:42.000 They're starting to branch out.

02:03:44.000 He's worked with Golden Boy, but he does have his own promotion too. 0.99

02:03:47.000 The UFC, if I was the UFC and I just spent $4 billion to buy the UFC and all this shit starts going down, I'd be like, you motherfuckers, do you know how long it's going to take to make back that $4 billion with you guys all branching off and starting your own promotions? 0.97

02:04:02.000 But not too many guys can do it. 0.98

02:04:04.000 That's why you sell now.

02:04:05.000 Sell again?

02:04:06.000 No, why?

02:04:06.000 They sold.

02:04:07.000 Why Dana and the Fratitas sold. 1.00

02:04:09.000 Yeah, those guys are smart as fuck. 0.99

02:04:10.000 Yeah, they know what's up. 0.99

02:04:12.000 Look, Lorenzo is genius in business as it comes.

02:04:16.000 Smart dudes.

02:04:17.000 That's why all these guys are... 0.98

02:04:18.000 Because before, when Lorenzo was there, people felt like they know the motherfucking godfather. 0.98

02:04:23.000 He was right... 0.94

02:04:26.000 Whatever decision Lorenzo wanted, I mean you got Frank right there too, but whatever decision Lorenzo wanted, it was just done.

02:04:32.000 It was greenlit, greenlit.

02:04:35.000 Boom! 0.99

02:04:36.000 So everyone felt loyal to that. 0.96

02:04:39.000 You know, like, you don't want to fucking leave, you know what I mean? 0.96

02:04:41.000 This is the godfather, you know what I mean? 0.94

02:04:43.000 Now it's like, who owns the UFC? You don't know those guys.

02:04:47.000 You talked to Ari Emanuel.

02:04:48.000 But here's the thing, man. 1.00

02:04:50.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 0.98

02:04:51.000 As far as the UFC got up to 2017, nobody anticipated it up to 2005. Even in 2005, nobody saw that coming, but then the first episode, the first ever Ultimate Fighter airs, and then it becomes this huge superstar event with Stefan Bonner vs. 0.99

02:05:07.000 Forrest Griffin in the finals, millions of people tune in, the world explodes, MMA becomes popular, and then here we are, 12 years later, looking at it, nobody saw this.

02:05:16.000 If they can keep going like that...

02:05:18.000 See, that's the thing.

02:05:19.000 The unanticipated exponential growth.

02:05:21.000 Yeah, you don't know.

02:05:22.000 The unanticipated.

02:05:23.000 These guys like Korean Superboy. 0.96

02:05:25.000 These guys like Yair Rodriguez.

02:05:27.000 Valentin Shevchenko.

02:05:29.000 All these...

02:05:29.000 Francis Ngannou.

02:05:30.000 These new superstars.

02:05:31.000 Conor McGregor.

02:05:32.000 These new superstars emerging. 1.00

02:05:33.000 This shit could be twice as big five years from now. 1.00

02:05:36.000 I like your positive attitude, but... 0.99

02:05:41.000 No one's more bullish on MMA than me.

02:05:46.000 I think it should be the biggest sport in the world.

02:05:49.000 I think it's the one that transcends boundaries, it transcends cultures, it raises, it makes sense.

02:05:54.000 If a guy dunks a basketball in your face... 1.00

02:05:57.000 At the end of the day, the only saving grace is, bitch, I will find you outside and I will fuck you up. 1.00

02:06:02.000 But if you fuck some guy up and he goes, oh, I can still dunk a basketball on you, nobody gives a shit. 1.00

02:06:07.000 It's the end-all, be-all of sports. 1.00

02:06:10.000 Of super aggro, yes.

02:06:11.000 It's almost not even a sport.

02:06:13.000 Of super aggro, yes.

02:06:14.000 Not even super aggro.

02:06:15.000 It's more impressive than anything. 0.57

02:06:18.000 If someone wins some crazy U.S. Open tennis tournament, and that's an amazing thing, if Conor McGregor knocks Floyd Mayweather the fuck out with a piston-like left hand, the world explodes! 0.98

02:06:29.000 No one gives a fuck about tennis! 0.95

02:06:32.000 No, it might not happen, but if it did, the world explodes. 0.98

02:06:36.000 True, but anyone can fight, Joe.

02:06:38.000 Anyone can fight.

02:06:39.000 You're wrong.

02:06:40.000 It's not true.

02:06:41.000 Anyone can fight.

02:06:42.000 Anybody can play in the NFL. Not in the NBA. Not in the NFL. You can't.

02:06:47.000 It's purity.

02:06:48.000 Not anybody can fight in the UFC. CM Punk can.

02:06:50.000 It's the rawest form.

02:06:51.000 He's a rare exception because of him.

02:06:54.000 He gets moody.

02:06:55.000 I'm not moody.

02:06:56.000 These are legit points.

02:06:58.000 So negative.

02:06:59.000 You know how much more impressive it is?

02:07:00.000 LeBron James?

02:07:01.000 Nope.

02:07:02.000 Nope.

02:07:02.000 Not having that.

02:07:03.000 Not a team.

02:07:04.000 Absolutely not.

02:07:05.000 Come on.

02:07:05.000 Is that more impressive?

02:07:06.000 Oh my god. 0.89

02:07:07.000 The most impressive thing is destroying another man. 1.00

02:07:09.000 That's the most impressive shit. 1.00

02:07:11.000 Kung fu. 1.00

02:07:12.000 It's pure.

02:07:13.000 The skill level in the NBA community.

02:07:15.000 Rambo.

02:07:16.000 It's just physical expression.

02:07:18.000 Listen to the fighters. 1.00

02:07:18.000 It's the most impressive shit. 1.00

02:07:19.000 Fucking up another dude. 1.00

02:07:20.000 Mad on him. 0.99

02:07:21.000 Listen to the UFC fighter.

02:07:22.000 No teams.

02:07:23.000 Hold. 1.00

02:07:23.000 I'm saying that what you did is the most impressive shit. 1.00

02:07:26.000 What you did. 0.99

02:07:27.000 Not being in a team.

02:07:28.000 Not athletically.

02:07:30.000 It's sick.

02:07:31.000 Oh, the guy threw the ball in the hole.

02:07:33.000 He's amazing!

02:07:34.000 What makes that better?

02:07:36.000 What makes that better?

02:07:36.000 Look, the ball goes in the hole!

02:07:39.000 You're being a...

02:07:40.000 What's the word?

02:07:41.000 An insider.

02:07:43.000 Who pissed in your Cheerios, Joe?

02:07:45.000 He hit the ball with the racket!

02:07:47.000 He's amazing!

02:07:48.000 You know how hard it is to hit a home run?

02:07:49.000 You know how hard it is to hit a home run at 100 miles an hour?

02:07:53.000 That's amazing. 1.00

02:07:54.000 We just got done looking at this field full of baseball players earlier going, who watches that stupid fucking game? 1.00

02:07:59.000 That's what we're doing. 1.00

02:08:00.000 And I don't enjoy watching baseball.

02:08:01.000 Are we doing fight companion with baseball?

02:08:03.000 Hitting a home run is the hardest thing to do in professional sports.

02:08:06.000 You're a contrarian.

02:08:07.000 It's not even close to the hardest thing to do. 1.00

02:08:08.000 The hardest thing to do is knock out Jose Aldo with one punch 13 seconds in after you talk shit about him for a year. 0.98

02:08:13.000 The odds are higher if you're going to do that. 0.99

02:08:17.000 Than hitting a baseball? 1.00

02:08:19.000 Shut up. 1.00

02:08:19.000 Fuck up, Jimmy Burke. 1.00

02:08:20.000 Imagine Baseball Fight Companions. 1.00

02:08:22.000 Imagine how bad that would be.

02:08:24.000 I think they'd call them Baseball Companions.

02:08:26.000 Baseball Fight Companions.

02:08:28.000 We're gonna watch the Dodgers play the Reds.

02:08:30.000 Be awesome. 0.99

02:08:31.000 Baseball Fight Companions would be amazing because we'd be drunk and high as fuck. 0.97

02:08:35.000 Because we're four hours long, yeah. 0.97

02:08:37.000 Oh, it would just be like a ceremonial thing.

02:08:39.000 We don't actually watch the game.

02:08:40.000 We just put it on.

02:08:42.000 I guarantee you there are baseball companions.

02:08:46.000 I guarantee you there are.

02:08:47.000 We have seven viewers.

02:08:48.000 What we need to do is a NASCAR fight companion.

02:08:51.000 Oh my god.

02:08:52.000 We need to watch NASCAR. They're still going left!

02:08:55.000 They're going left!

02:08:56.000 Or WWE. And we have money on it.

02:08:59.000 We watch NASCAR and bet some serious money.

02:09:01.000 I'm telling you guys, these all exist.

02:09:03.000 They call them second screen experiences and every sport now is doing them.

02:09:06.000 Fight companions?

02:09:07.000 After Joe.

02:09:10.000 The NFL has one.

02:09:11.000 The NFL has a second screen experience.

02:09:13.000 When did they start doing this?

02:09:15.000 In the last year.

02:09:16.000 All of them.

02:09:16.000 The NFL has a second screen experience.

02:09:19.000 Motherfucker. 0.99

02:09:21.000 There's a whole website called Ramble On or something like that. 0.99

02:09:23.000 Anybody can get on and make their own companion for any event.

02:09:25.000 They should call that Joe Rules.

02:09:28.000 I don't think I invented it.

02:09:30.000 I don't.

02:09:31.000 Who else was doing it?

02:09:33.000 If you never saw someone do it, you invented it.

02:09:35.000 Here's what I did.

02:09:36.000 Here's what I did. 0.98

02:09:37.000 I'm the first guy for sure that is the lead commentator for a gigantic organization, like a professional sports organization, that also does a thing on the internet where they smoke weed and talk shit watching the same event. 0.98

02:09:51.000 That's for sure. 0.98

02:09:53.000 I'm not cussed!

02:09:55.000 I'm not going mad about a lot of things! 0.99

02:09:59.000 But I got that shit wrapped up. 0.99

02:10:02.000 You're the only one. 1.00

02:10:05.000 Everybody's like, man, what if they can cuss during comedy?

02:10:08.000 Wouldn't that be cool if Joe could just cuss? 1.00

02:10:10.000 People have said that for years, and now, boom, you're actually doing that.

02:10:14.000 But here's the crazy thing.

02:10:15.000 These fight companions get...

02:10:17.000 Way more downloads than any broadcast.

02:10:20.000 They get as much downloads as a major Fox card, a major Fox UFC World Championship card.

02:10:29.000 That's how many downloads these things get.

02:10:31.000 In that case, I'll be in.

02:10:32.000 Usually more.

02:10:32.000 It's a hundred million dollars more.

02:10:35.000 We're closing in this month on, we're probably, where are we at right now, Jamie?

02:10:41.000 Before I check before, we're going to get close to $85 million for the month.

02:10:44.000 That's for YouTube?

02:10:45.000 No, that's for iTunes?

02:10:47.000 Just iTunes.

02:10:47.000 And then YouTube is how much?

02:10:49.000 That's $22 million.

02:10:50.000 Do you ask yourself why they're watched so much?

02:10:53.000 No, I just keep smoking weed.

02:10:54.000 Are those 25 companions at a million views?

02:10:57.000 Oh, way more than a million.

02:10:58.000 Oh, really?

02:10:59.000 Way more.

02:10:59.000 Oh, it exploded.

02:11:00.000 When you got super drunk with Cameron Haynes and went on Tower 7, that one's like five million.

02:11:05.000 No way.

02:11:07.000 What's it at?

02:11:08.000 What happened?

02:11:09.000 I thought it was like 600,000.

02:11:11.000 No.

02:11:12.000 Well, what is it on?

02:11:13.000 The audio is, the last five recap we did is like it's almost six million downloads.

02:11:17.000 You serious, Eddie?

02:11:19.000 The recap, Eddie.

02:11:20.000 That's after the fight.

02:11:21.000 The recap.

02:11:22.000 Six million downloads.

02:11:23.000 Where Cameron Haynes got one word in.

02:11:24.000 No, on iTunes.

02:11:25.000 I'm talking about YouTube, though.

02:11:26.000 Well, YouTube is not as much.

02:11:27.000 YouTube is only, like, what percentage?

02:11:30.000 How many views per episode?

02:11:32.000 20% of the iTunes downloads.

02:11:33.000 I know, but how many views?

02:11:35.000 Like, what is...

02:11:36.000 The average views lately for...

02:11:38.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:11:39.000 That's it.

02:11:39.000 5 million for audio, up to 1 million for YouTube videos.

02:11:43.000 It depends on the show.

02:11:44.000 Okay, 1 million.

02:11:44.000 When you and I are on with Alex Jones, which will, by the way, be episode 9-11.

02:11:48.000 Dude.

02:11:49.000 I'm working so hard to make it episode 9-11. 0.96

02:11:51.000 I'm doing so many goddamn episodes just so I can shove them all in. 0.94

02:11:53.000 Just to get there? 0.98

02:11:54.000 Just so I can get to number 9-11 with Alex Jones.

02:11:57.000 That's Wednesday.

02:11:57.000 That's Wednesday, right?

02:11:59.000 Yes.

02:11:59.000 Wednesday, Alex Jones.

02:12:02.000 How huge is that podcast going to be? 0.99

02:12:05.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:12:05.000 Shit! 1.00

02:12:06.000 And it's going to be episode 9-11. 1.00

02:12:08.000 And I'm going to keep my mouth shut.

02:12:09.000 No, no, no.

02:12:10.000 We're going to have some fun.

02:12:11.000 First of all, we're not doing it sober.

02:12:13.000 So don't even try.

02:12:14.000 It's going to get weird.

02:12:14.000 I'm going to let him...

02:12:15.000 He's not going to be sober either.

02:12:17.000 I just want to maybe ask a question or two, but I'm going to keep my mouth shut.

02:12:21.000 We're going to have a...

02:12:21.000 I'm not going to say anything.

02:12:22.000 Gay old time like the Flintstones. 1.00

02:12:23.000 I love Alex Jones.

02:12:24.000 I love him.

02:12:25.000 Does he smoke weed?

02:12:27.000 Who knows?

02:12:28.000 Neither can confirm nor deny...

02:12:32.000 Even if you don't, if you're in this room, you're smoking weed.

02:12:34.000 Whether you like it or not, you're taking a contact high of epic proportions.

02:12:38.000 I walked in and smelled it right away.

02:12:42.000 That show might break records.

02:12:45.000 It's gonna be interesting.

02:12:47.000 We'll be bigger than Lance Armstrong.

02:12:51.000 What's one of your questions you wanna ask him?

02:12:53.000 Don't give it away.

02:12:54.000 Prepare for it.

02:12:55.000 You gotta sneak it up on him.

02:12:56.000 You know the weird thing about conspiracy theorists that are making a living off conspiracy theories?

02:13:03.000 There's so many conspiracy theories and a lot of guys are just like into one or two and they're experts on nine or experts on JFK and they fucking know everything about this.

02:13:13.000 It's so deep and so sophisticated and complicated.

02:13:16.000 The whole JFK thing, all the theories and all what could have happened and all that, it's so deep.

02:13:21.000 Dudes spend their whole life on that so when they talk to dudes that are still believing in CNN and they're trying to convert them, trying to wake them up a little bit, what ends up happening is They've invested so much money in JFK that they can't... 0.96

02:13:37.000 They're not even looking at other ways we're getting fucked. 0.99

02:13:40.000 So they deny all that other shit. 1.00

02:13:42.000 So when other people bring other crazy conspiracy theories up, they gotta say, that dude's a shill. 0.99

02:13:48.000 He's right about the JFK shit, because I know, because I studied that, but all this other shit he's talking about, that's gotta be a shill. 0.95

02:13:54.000 Is that what he's gonna do to you, Eddie? 0.98

02:13:55.000 No.

02:13:57.000 Eddie knows that Harvey Oswald killed...

02:14:01.000 JFK. Do you think he did?

02:14:02.000 Are you baiting him?

02:14:04.000 Let me finish what I'm saying real quick.

02:14:06.000 Everybody thinks, not everybody, there's a lot of conspiracy theorists out there that are experts in certain conspiracies that they think Alex Jones is a shill because he's not, what is that, a vacuum?

02:14:26.000 There's a lot of conspiracy theories that think he's a shill because they're not talking about the conspiracy theory that they spent all their time on.

02:14:37.000 Like, Alex Jones is like, you know what, there's different levels of conspiracy theories.

02:14:42.000 To go deep on one thing though, there's a generalist and a specialist in everything.

02:14:47.000 And a generalist, the specialist can go deeper in their one specialty than any generalist can do.

02:14:54.000 Conspiracy theorists argue with each other more than with skeptics.

02:14:58.000 It's incredible, like the scene, everybody's pointing fingers, he's a shill, he's a shill, just because they're not spending time or promoting your, like, Alex Jones, he's into certain conspiracy theories, and it's like, you know, he's got his plan, his agenda to wake people up or whatever.

02:15:15.000 Whatever he thinks, he's got his plan.

02:15:16.000 And then this guy has, this is how we do it.

02:15:19.000 This guy, well, how come you're not talking about what they're doing?

02:15:21.000 And how come you're not talking about the Jews? 0.51

02:15:23.000 And how come you're not talking about...

02:15:24.000 Isn't that why?

02:15:27.000 Conspiracy theorists.

02:15:28.000 Are accusing each other of being shills all the time because they're not...

02:15:33.000 Like, Alex Jones has his own agenda.

02:15:35.000 I don't know.

02:15:37.000 That happens in every little subculture, though.

02:15:39.000 Like in fighting, you know, certain people...

02:15:42.000 Okay, but you're going to try to change the subject here to fighting, and I'm not going to let you...

02:15:45.000 I was going to say that's exactly why you start to get...

02:15:50.000 News sources that are credible.

02:15:52.000 So what happens is...

02:15:53.000 Don't talk about credible news sources.

02:15:55.000 Hold on.

02:15:56.000 You got yours.

02:15:57.000 Hold on.

02:15:58.000 He let you talk.

02:15:58.000 So like the economist...

02:15:59.000 Come on.

02:16:00.000 Come on.

02:16:01.000 I can't do that.

02:16:01.000 So like the economist, how many years...

02:16:03.000 Can you look up how many years old the economist is?

02:16:04.000 It's over 100 years old.

02:16:06.000 And so the economist...

02:16:07.000 You know what's super old?

02:16:07.000 Slavery.

02:16:08.000 Well, hold on.

02:16:09.000 Why does a magazine stay there?

02:16:11.000 Well, because what happens is, if they start posting news, people will read it and say, that must be true.

02:16:16.000 When it starts not being true, people will stop reading that newspaper or that magazine. 0.99

02:16:21.000 They'll start going, hold on, this was bullshit. 0.93

02:16:23.000 So that's why certain news organizations develop a reputation of... 0.98

02:16:27.000 1843. Now, hold on.

02:16:29.000 There you go.

02:16:30.000 So what happens is, you can't fool people that long.

02:16:33.000 Yes, you can. 1.00

02:16:34.000 You're a fool. 1.00

02:16:35.000 After a while, Eddie. 1.00

02:16:36.000 How old are you?

02:16:37.000 How old are you?

02:16:37.000 No, no, no.

02:16:38.000 Eddie, you've got to let him talk.

02:16:38.000 Eddie, the Economist is a very credible source, and if it wasn't, they would get found out not only by people like you, but also by other news outlets.

02:16:48.000 They've already been found out.

02:16:49.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

02:16:50.000 Other news outlets.

02:16:50.000 Eddie, let him talk, and then I've got a question for you about this.

02:16:53.000 So there are credible sources of news, which you adhere to.

02:16:58.000 I know you do.

02:16:59.000 And the question becomes, what is the criteria by which you can trust a news source, a company that promotes news, that reports news?

02:17:09.000 There has to be a vetting process.

02:17:12.000 And what I'm saying is that you develop a reputation after a while, because it's pretty easy to find out if you've been lying for 140 years about every news story.

02:17:21.000 It's a long time.

02:17:22.000 So what happens is you have to get your news from somewhere, right?

02:17:25.000 You have to rely on it somewhere.

02:17:27.000 So what they do is they get people who are investigative journalists.

02:17:31.000 If you had a news organization, what you'd say is you'd say, I want three, four, maybe six different credible sources before I print this.

02:17:39.000 I would imagine you'd be that way, right?

02:17:42.000 Absolutely, I would.

02:17:43.000 Yeah, so people who corroborate the same story and they have independent lines of either inquiry or investigation, whatever it might be.

02:17:52.000 And that's kind of how, and that's why I invest in reading not just the New York Times, but The Economist, Two Sides of the Political Spectrum, NPR. And when I hear three publications like that, one that's independent, One that relies on public sourcing,

02:18:09.000 not private sourcing.

02:18:11.000 After a while, they're all reporting the same news story.

02:18:14.000 There's got to be some truth to it.

02:18:15.000 The CIA has infiltrated all mainstream media.

02:18:20.000 You are being punked.

02:18:21.000 Okay, but hold on.

02:18:22.000 He's a shill. 0.99

02:18:24.000 Here's a question.

02:18:26.000 I'm not saying you are.

02:18:26.000 Stop, Brendan.

02:18:27.000 Brendan, stop.

02:18:28.000 What do you know about The Economist?

02:18:31.000 I know that if it's mainstream media, anything for me, the mainstream media is controlled by the government.

02:18:41.000 So anything that the mainstream media all agrees on and anything that they're pushing, I am automatically seriously skeptical about it because our government has lied to us for millennia.

02:18:54.000 So I'm not trusting anything they say.

02:18:57.000 If they're all saying it, I'm not trusting it.

02:18:59.000 I understand what you're saying, but you really don't have any information to go on based on the – when you talk about this particular magazine, you don't know anything about it, right?

02:19:11.000 I'm not an expert in The Economist, but I'm pretty sure – But it's been around a long time, right?

02:19:15.000 I'll guess.

02:19:16.000 I'm pretty sure it's owned by some kind of Rothschild.

02:19:19.000 I understand.

02:19:19.000 What you have to understand is having a prejudice.

02:19:25.000 Prejudice, dismissive attitude without having actually examined it is part of the whole problem we have with information in the first place.

02:19:31.000 You might be right, but you haven't examined it and you're already throwing it away before ever looking into it at all.

02:19:37.000 But it's a giant issue because there's people that are worth billions and billions of dollars.

02:19:42.000 They're getting their financial information from somewhere.

02:19:44.000 Where is it coming from? 1.00

02:19:45.000 Are they sharing it with each other and then eating babies and fucking each other? 1.00

02:19:48.000 Like, what are they doing? 0.99

02:19:51.000 Or are they getting it from a long-standing credible source that all these different super rich people rely upon, and that's why it's credible.

02:20:01.000 You can believe that.

02:20:02.000 No, but Eddie, you don't know if it's untrue, but you're prejudging it, and that's not healthy either.

02:20:07.000 That's one of the reasons why a lot of these conspiracy theories fall apart, is because there hasn't been any forethought into concocting them.

02:20:13.000 They just immediately step in and say, if it's mainstream, it's got to be this. 0.98

02:20:19.000 When you have a, let's just say, a criminal who's been in jail, who's been in jail for credit card fraud, he's just a shitbag dude. 0.97

02:20:30.000 He's one person? 0.98

02:20:31.000 Yeah, just one dude.

02:20:32.000 One dude. 1.00

02:20:33.000 Just a shitbag criminal, credit card fraud, robbery. 1.00

02:20:36.000 We got it, we got it. 1.00

02:20:38.000 Go ahead.

02:20:38.000 Are you going to believe anything this guy says?

02:20:41.000 No, but he's not a person.

02:20:42.000 Government is a much larger thing.

02:20:44.000 That's the way I look at the government.

02:20:44.000 They've lied so much.

02:20:45.000 Okay, but the economist, you know, is not really connected to the government.

02:20:47.000 No.

02:20:48.000 Who is the government?

02:20:49.000 I already said that I'm not an expert in the economics, but I'm assuming.

02:20:52.000 I understand, but that assumption is negative.

02:20:54.000 It's not smart to assume.

02:20:56.000 You know what?

02:20:57.000 It is smart not to trust criminals.

02:20:58.000 It's smart not to trust criminals.

02:21:00.000 But you're not talking about criminals.

02:21:01.000 You're talking about a long-standing magazine that's dedicated to explain the economy in very pragmatic terms.

02:21:09.000 The mainstream media is criminal.

02:21:12.000 Once you made that decision, there's nothing that could be said to you.

02:21:16.000 Once you're a criminal, is there something that this criminal that has a long history of credit fraud and robbery, is there anything that dude can tell you?

02:21:25.000 It's not a valid comparison at all.

02:21:27.000 Obama's piece in The Economist gets everything wrong.

02:21:30.000 Look at this.

02:21:31.000 But this is one of the reasons why things get criticized.

02:21:34.000 But this is Obama.

02:21:35.000 Hold on.

02:21:36.000 Let me put that in context, please.

02:21:38.000 Can I put that in context?

02:21:39.000 So Steve Forbes is a Republican in a very, very right way.

02:21:42.000 Of course.

02:21:43.000 So all he's doing is he is rebutting Obama's point of view.

02:21:48.000 Right, now let's point out that Obama is not an economist, and Obama probably got an honorary position as a journalist to post this thing.

02:21:56.000 No, no, no, that's not how it works.

02:21:57.000 So The Economist is not about, it's not economists that write it.

02:22:00.000 The Economist is a...

02:22:01.000 Did he write a piece?

02:22:02.000 Yes, he wrote a piece.

02:22:04.000 And what they'll have is they'll have an op-ed piece.

02:22:06.000 That's what I should have said.

02:22:07.000 Yeah, so when you can write something, if you're Obama, the Economist will allow you to be sort of a featured opinion.

02:22:14.000 What's the date on this?

02:22:15.000 That's why they call it an op-ed.

02:22:16.000 This was November of 2016. So it's an opinion editorial, right?

02:22:19.000 Right.

02:22:20.000 It's an op-ed.

02:22:21.000 So it's criticized by people who disagree with this policy.

02:22:24.000 So the New York Times, in the back of the newspaper every day, is an op-ed page, which is different, various journalists, some right-wing, most left-wing, who give their point of view on the world, and not so much like...

02:22:36.000 Because a lot of, like, Nicholas Kristof, who's in there working with women in Kenyan schools and stuff, or forced prostitution.

02:22:44.000 This is an investigative journalist.

02:22:46.000 He's not making any money, by the way.

02:22:47.000 But he's in there, and what he'll do is write an op-ed piece that will bring your awareness to the fact that, for example, in Cambodia, there's a lot of sex for sale, and it's really horrible, etc., etc.

02:22:58.000 So, you know, it's worth giving The New York Times, it's worth giving The Economist, it's worth giving NPR a fair shake.

02:23:05.000 You might learn something, because to say that it's all lies, Eddie, is a little extreme.

02:23:10.000 And also, they wouldn't be in business, because people don't like to be fooled, and I don't think you could fool people all the time.

02:23:16.000 You're fooled.

02:23:17.000 You're fooled.

02:23:19.000 Okay.

02:23:19.000 What did Abraham Lincoln say?

02:23:21.000 That's the way I see it.

02:23:22.000 I'm sorry.

02:23:23.000 I mean, you've been had by the CIA Operation Mockingbird.

02:23:28.000 You've been had.

02:23:29.000 But wait a minute, Eddie.

02:23:31.000 I don't blame you.

02:23:33.000 You're brought up with the TV and the commercials.

02:23:36.000 What if you've been indoctrinated by the ideas that you're exposed to?

02:23:41.000 Because when I watch you two guys, you're identical.

02:23:43.000 You've both been indoctrinated.

02:23:45.000 You've both been indoctrinated with ideas, both that are separate, both that are probably wrong because most of the information we get is not based on truth, your own point.

02:23:53.000 Not most.

02:23:53.000 That's not true.

02:23:54.000 I didn't give you an idea.

02:23:57.000 What I just said was how I get my news, which is from several different Sources.

02:24:03.000 I'm with you.

02:24:04.000 One who's not run by a profit motive, like NPR, National Public Radio, that relies on contributions from its listeners like me.

02:24:13.000 So, okay.

02:24:14.000 And then you've got the New York Times, left wing, I disagree with a lot of it all the time.

02:24:18.000 Then you've got The Economist, then you've got Time Magazine, all competing, by the way.

02:24:24.000 I'm with you.

02:24:24.000 All competing for the story.

02:24:25.000 So to say that I am, I have the same, I'm sorry.

02:24:30.000 I'm sorry.

02:24:30.000 Your fundamental beliefs are based on what you've learned and been exposed to.

02:24:33.000 Well, hold on.

02:24:34.000 And I will dilate on that because what I'm exposed to varies.

02:24:39.000 I try to be as well-round as I can.

02:24:42.000 And if that is being closed-minded, I would like to hear what would be considered open-minded.

02:24:49.000 No, I just mean all of your beliefs, many of which much more of yours that I believe with than Eddie's, and no offense, Eddie, I love you, are based on everything you've learned in your life.

02:24:59.000 All the things you've been exposed to.

02:25:00.000 And my emotions.

02:25:01.000 And my emotions.

02:25:02.000 Built you a belief system.

02:25:03.000 Plus astrology.

02:25:04.000 Yeah, plus astrology.

02:25:05.000 Hey! 0.99

02:25:05.000 Built you a belief system, just as Eddie's has. 0.99

02:25:07.000 Eddie's, everything he's been exposed to, everything that he's learned, all the information, not just the information you're talking about, but how you learn information, how you gather ideas, all of those have built you guys your own belief systems.

02:25:19.000 And when you look at each other, you're just shocked that the other one can't see it.

02:25:23.000 You're shocked that the other one can't see your belief system.

02:25:25.000 But he's just like you.

02:25:27.000 He has one of his own that are structured and built upon every experience he's had in his whole life.

02:25:31.000 And he's sure that everything he's saying is right, just as you both are.

02:25:34.000 Sure, that's a good psychological profile.

02:25:36.000 And neither of you can see that this other guy just can't understand, because I know the truth and he does it.

02:25:41.000 Isn't it great?

02:25:41.000 That's how I feel.

02:25:42.000 Yeah, and that's how he feels.

02:25:45.000 And that's what's going on in North America and all over the world.

02:25:48.000 Well, it's not how I feel.

02:25:49.000 I don't think that's fair to compare.

02:25:51.000 See, I don't think so.

02:25:53.000 What I think is, what I see with Eddie, is that he has...

02:25:57.000 So we all want to believe that we're responsive to evidence.

02:26:00.000 Yet he does, I do.

02:26:02.000 We're scientific in that we have our mind changed based on the evidence.

02:26:06.000 But he can't change your mind and you can't change his mind.

02:26:08.000 But that's not true.

02:26:10.000 That's not a characterization to me at all.

02:26:12.000 I change my mind all the time based on the evidence.

02:26:16.000 Now, Well, I sent Eddie several sort of what could be considered conspiracy, but they were reported by mainstream.

02:26:26.000 Some of the stuff was, and you remember that?

02:26:27.000 What was the one that we were talking about recently?

02:26:29.000 I can't remember what time it was.

02:26:31.000 We were all in a joint text message.

02:26:33.000 No, no, no.

02:26:34.000 It was something else.

02:26:35.000 It was a real one.

02:26:36.000 It was fascinating.

02:26:37.000 It was Glenn Greenwald's article in The Guardian about the government turding on Donald Trump.

02:26:44.000 Yes!

02:26:45.000 Unsubstantiated reports about golden showers.

02:26:48.000 Political operatives hiring ex-intelligence officers to discredit A candidate.

02:26:55.000 And this is happening.

02:26:56.000 And this is what the biggest fear is.

02:26:58.000 What do we believe at this point?

02:27:00.000 That's right.

02:27:00.000 All the fake news.

02:27:01.000 And we have to be very, very vigilant about it.

02:27:04.000 So when I formulate an opinion, one of the great things about doing a podcast is I'm found out all the time to be wrong.

02:27:09.000 I love it.

02:27:10.000 You're welcome. 0.87

02:27:12.000 And I'll be like, I'll say something, and people will be like, hey, by the way, bullshit, because here's this, and I go, geez, that's embarrassing. 0.93

02:27:17.000 I was wrong on that one. 0.82

02:27:18.000 It's great to be wrong, because you get new information.

02:27:20.000 Of course it is.

02:27:21.000 So we have to all be willing to say that, first of all, I don't think all the people in mainstream media are criminal, but you do.

02:27:27.000 I don't see any evidence I do see that sometimes mainstream media is discredited.

02:27:33.000 I do see sometimes that they make mistakes.

02:27:35.000 I do see sometimes like Rolling Stone articles gets it really wrong.

02:27:38.000 And there are examples, of course, of mainstream media where they get it wrong.

02:27:43.000 Sometimes they get it wrong very badly.

02:27:44.000 But I have to believe...

02:27:47.000 And a lot of times they get it right.

02:27:49.000 Because, I mean, just take a couple of things.

02:27:51.000 Like, if they're reporting on the war in Syria, and how many children are killed, and you see that, you see pictures of them.

02:27:57.000 How do you see it?

02:27:58.000 Pictures?

02:27:58.000 It's that easy?

02:27:58.000 You see video of children crying in a hospital, and people crying.

02:28:03.000 Do you believe Faces of Death was real?

02:28:04.000 Eddie, it's just not the same.

02:28:05.000 Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, you got it. 1.00

02:28:07.000 That shit was real. 0.99

02:28:07.000 Eddie, you gotta stop doing that because you're trying to discredit what his ideas are by making jokes about it or mocking it. 0.99

02:28:13.000 I'm not making a joke at all.

02:28:14.000 That was a real, legit question.

02:28:16.000 But no, you're mocking.

02:28:17.000 You're mocking.

02:28:17.000 And you were mocking earlier saying you believe it.

02:28:20.000 You're indoctrinated.

02:28:22.000 You were telling him that he's brainwashed.

02:28:24.000 You were telling him that.

02:28:25.000 You're mocking it.

02:28:26.000 Instead of just having an open conversation about the possibilities.

02:28:29.000 My point, although I'm probably 75% think like Brian, we all are just thinking all of the information that we've ever been exposed to, and we've built a belief system based on it.

02:28:41.000 Everybody has.

02:28:42.000 And when our belief systems don't mix, we have a problem.

02:28:44.000 And that's the problem that you see.

02:28:46.000 I don't think Eddie's mocking him.

02:28:47.000 I think Eddie actually believes it wholeheartedly.

02:28:49.000 Yeah. 0.55

02:28:50.000 But you're mocking his thoughts by saying, you're brainwashed. 1.00

02:28:55.000 You're brainwashed. 0.98

02:28:55.000 I didn't say brainwashed. 0.98

02:28:57.000 I didn't say you're brainwashed.

02:28:58.000 You've said it many times.

02:28:59.000 What is your expression then?

02:29:01.000 Because what I'm doing is paraphrasing.

02:29:03.000 Okay.

02:29:03.000 I said it worked on you.

02:29:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:29:06.000 You're saying he's brainwashed.

02:29:08.000 That's not how he's brainwashed.

02:29:09.000 Come on, man.

02:29:10.000 You know that's not...

02:29:12.000 That's not a rational debate of the actual reality of the situation.

02:29:16.000 And you really don't know anything about the economist.

02:29:18.000 Brainwashed sounds a little harsher than it worked on you.

02:29:19.000 It worked on you.

02:29:22.000 You're saying he's brainwashed.

02:29:24.000 Yeah, but I'm saying it in a...

02:29:26.000 I'm responding to what he's just saying.

02:29:28.000 But you're mocking him by saying that.

02:29:29.000 You're right.

02:29:30.000 I apologize.

02:29:32.000 But it's not the way we...

02:29:34.000 We figure things out.

02:29:35.000 It's just not.

02:29:35.000 Because it's like, all of a sudden you pick teams, everybody tries to win.

02:29:39.000 Look, I did a good chunk of my life.

02:29:41.000 It's just not the way to communicate.

02:29:42.000 It's a constant way that people do it, because nobody ever wants to be wrong, and when you get into debates, it becomes a game as much as it becomes a conversation.

02:29:50.000 I'm saying that's really bad for everybody.

02:29:52.000 And that it's really just, like, if you're still in it, if you know your side is losing, and you know you don't have any facts on your side, and you're still in it, you're fucking it up for everybody else.

02:30:02.000 But if you make sense, if you make sense, then you don't need all that.

02:30:05.000 You know, it worked on you. 1.00

02:30:07.000 You're a fucking brainwashed. 1.00

02:30:09.000 You don't need all that if your facts are in line and if you've done exhaustive research on the subject. 1.00

02:30:14.000 But when you just blanket throw all mainstream media's CIA, Operation Mockingbird, 9-11 was an inside job, chemtrails, gotta go, peace out. 0.63

02:30:23.000 What if he don't use that, though?

02:30:24.000 Also, we're trying to solve problems.

02:30:28.000 Me.

02:30:28.000 All of us.

02:30:28.000 And so one of the problems, like, for example, healthcare, universal healthcare, gun control, these things, it's very, when you get into it, it's really difficult to come, and we were talking, Joe and I were talking about this, you can't know everything.

02:30:40.000 Look at this, look at this right here. 0.96

02:30:41.000 Here's some conspiracy shit that's real. 0.99

02:30:43.000 Another Glenn Greenwald poll. 0.99

02:30:44.000 Washington Post is richly rewarded for false news about Russia threat while public is deceived.

02:30:50.000 Wow.

02:30:50.000 And Glenn Greenwald, who exposed WikiLeaks, of course, he's the guy who was the reason why...

02:30:55.000 It's pretty legit.

02:30:57.000 But now, hold on.

02:30:58.000 He works for the Washington Post, right?

02:30:59.000 Now, he is an investigative journalist.

02:31:02.000 These are the kind of guys I love.

02:31:04.000 No, he doesn't work for the Washington Post.

02:31:05.000 Well, he's an investigative journalist, so he investigates.

02:31:07.000 But he doesn't work for the Washington Post.

02:31:08.000 He's supported by somebody.

02:31:09.000 Not the Washington Post.

02:31:11.000 Who is he?

02:31:11.000 Who?

02:31:12.000 No, he's The Guardian.

02:31:13.000 He works for The Guardian.

02:31:14.000 The Guardian is essentially a British left-wing mainstream news source, but this is a classic example.

02:31:21.000 Now, Eddie, he just exposed what would be considered a conspiracy.

02:31:26.000 And he's the same guy, by the way, who did the thing about Donald Trump.

02:31:29.000 I don't know anything about this.

02:31:31.000 But this is a very good example.

02:31:34.000 This is an investigative journalist.

02:31:35.000 But I do believe that, though.

02:31:39.000 But he's on a payroll of The Guardian.

02:31:41.000 Some guys are jumping ship and doing the right thing.

02:31:46.000 He's the reason why Edward Snowden got all that information out.

02:31:49.000 That guy, Glenn Greenwald.

02:31:50.000 But remember, he works for a mainstream...

02:31:52.000 Not everybody is psychotic.

02:31:56.000 Not everybody is down with the program.

02:31:58.000 Some people are like, they're coming forward.

02:32:00.000 There's whistleblowers.

02:32:01.000 But Obama...

02:32:02.000 But he's not a whistleblower.

02:32:03.000 He's a legit journalist.

02:32:04.000 He gets paid by the Guardian.

02:32:05.000 He's a legit journalist.

02:32:06.000 Some guys are legit.

02:32:08.000 But Eddie, that's the point.

02:32:09.000 I said, I'm suspect of all...

02:32:11.000 I understand.

02:32:12.000 I know I said suspect of all...

02:32:14.000 So is Glenn Greenwald.

02:32:14.000 This kind of stuff, I believe.

02:32:16.000 But he's mainstream.

02:32:17.000 This guy is mainstream as it gets.

02:32:18.000 Some mainstream...

02:32:19.000 All mainstream stuff, for me, I'm skeptical.

02:32:22.000 But I didn't say everything was false.

02:32:25.000 Just some guys are growing unconscious.

02:32:28.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with Eddie being skeptical.

02:32:31.000 It's not about being skeptical.

02:32:35.000 Journalism is based on being skeptical.

02:32:38.000 Michael Shermer is a skeptic.

02:32:40.000 Being a skeptic means I need, you told me something, now I need something.

02:32:46.000 I believe the New York Times works on six, between three and six.

02:32:49.000 But the bottom line is, you should always be a skeptic, as are credible news sources, because they say, what was the news?

02:32:56.000 What was the story?

02:32:56.000 What are you saying?

02:32:57.000 Okay, I need sources.

02:33:00.000 I, as the editorial, as the editor-in-chief, or whoever it is who okays these things, I have got to see tangible, measurable proof Which is why the Rolling Stone story about the UVA case was such a big deal.

02:33:13.000 Exactly.

02:33:13.000 Because they printed this story.

02:33:14.000 It was a made-up story about rape, about a gang rape that never took place.

02:33:18.000 No sexual assault history.

02:33:20.000 It was not real.

02:33:21.000 It was all fake.

02:33:22.000 And they printed it.

02:33:23.000 And they printed it because they didn't want to ask the hard questions because it dealt with something that was a taboo subject.

02:33:28.000 Sexual assault.

02:33:29.000 And they're like, that is a catastrophic failure of journalism. 0.99

02:33:32.000 These checks and balances are in place to make sure that we know the fucking truth when it gets printed in such a prestigious magazine as the Rolling Stones. 0.97

02:33:39.000 And they got dealt with. 0.99

02:33:39.000 They got sued. 0.99

02:33:40.000 They get sued right now.

02:33:42.000 It's still going on.

02:33:42.000 Let me ask you something.

02:33:44.000 They get found out.

02:33:45.000 Look at Brian Williams.

02:33:46.000 They get found out.

02:33:47.000 They get found out by their own organizations.

02:33:50.000 They get found out.

02:33:50.000 Now, are scientists and professors, is there a history of them being bought and paid for?

02:33:56.000 Some of them.

02:33:57.000 Yeah, some of them.

02:33:58.000 In some cases.

02:34:00.000 But hold on a second.

02:34:02.000 Let me qualify that.

02:34:05.000 There have been tens of millions of scientists over the course of human history.

02:34:11.000 There have been a small handful that have been corrupt.

02:34:15.000 And those small handful that have been corrupt that we have found out about, the results have been catastrophic.

02:34:20.000 What they have done has been horrific. 0.98

02:34:21.000 What they did with the sugar industry, What they did with tobacco, what they did with, there's a lot of fucking environmental catastrophes that were downplayed by scientists. 0.96

02:34:32.000 There have been some bought and paid scientists, 100%. 0.98

02:34:35.000 But that's just like, there's certain people that are going to be corrupt.

02:34:39.000 The vast majority apply to the rules of science.

02:34:42.000 Okay, so do you think that it's possible that journalists are bought and paid for, some of them?

02:34:46.000 There's absolutely proof of that.

02:34:49.000 That's why, that's why you gotta be skeptical.

02:34:52.000 Like, I don't know which one you are.

02:34:53.000 I don't know what, you could be bought.

02:34:55.000 I'm looking at it in a smart way. 1.00

02:34:58.000 Not in a like, some paranoid hiding in a fucking corner. 0.99

02:35:01.000 No, but Eddie? 1.00

02:35:02.000 You guys are full of shit. 1.00

02:35:03.000 I love you, but when you're talking about something like The Economist that you don't have any information about at all, and you blankly dismiss them, that's where it all starts from. 1.00

02:35:13.000 I said, I don't know anything about The Economist, but it's mainstream media, and if they're spewing the same thing everyone else is spewing, like CNN and CNBC. But that's your roadblock.

02:35:23.000 If they are, that's...

02:35:24.000 Listen, that's just the way I am, dude.

02:35:26.000 That's just the way I am.

02:35:27.000 But they compete with each other.

02:35:28.000 I'm not saying you should be that way.

02:35:29.000 I'm just saying, hey, listen...

02:35:31.000 I try to help people. 0.99

02:35:32.000 I say, listen, you're being fucking honeydicked. 1.00

02:35:34.000 You're being punked. 1.00

02:35:35.000 Wake up.

02:35:36.000 I try to do that, but I'm not going to go crazy with it after a while.

02:35:39.000 The economist is owned by the Rothschilds.

02:35:41.000 That doesn't shock me.

02:35:43.000 That doesn't shock me.

02:35:45.000 Does that shock you?

02:35:46.000 It's a public company.

02:35:47.000 Is Cadbury the candy people?

02:35:49.000 They make great candy.

02:35:50.000 It's not a public company.

02:35:51.000 It's owned by Rothschild.

02:35:52.000 It's owned by a lot of people.

02:35:54.000 I mean, is anybody shocked?

02:35:56.000 So that's what I'm saying.

02:35:57.000 I'm saying, when it's coming, When scientists and professors have been bought and paid for, like big ones, like Ivy League schools, like a Yale scientist says this, Harvard professor says this, to push some agenda, then it seems like it could happen.

02:36:12.000 And then Operation Mockingbird, you can't ignore that.

02:36:17.000 You don't think that's the exception, Eddie?

02:36:19.000 You know about it.

02:36:22.000 Through mainstream media.

02:36:23.000 I'm just saying I don't know who's who and I'm saying I don't know who's who and I know one, this is for me.

02:36:28.000 This is just me.

02:36:29.000 For me, I'm 100% convinced the moon landings were faked.

02:36:35.000 You don't have to believe that.

02:36:37.000 What about flat Earth?

02:36:38.000 I love him so much.

02:36:39.000 I love Eddie.

02:36:40.000 What about flat Earth, Eddie?

02:36:42.000 There's no proof that the Earth is flat, but when you look into...

02:36:47.000 Don't you butt. 0.67

02:36:48.000 Don't you butt that. 1.00

02:36:49.000 God damn it. 1.00

02:36:50.000 Hey, listen. 0.99

02:36:53.000 There's no proof that the Earth is flat.

02:36:55.000 Why are all the pictures of Earth from space CGI admitted by NASA? It's the way our satellites I'm just gonna ask a question.

02:37:14.000 Nobody here has had their arms around them.

02:37:17.000 Do you know why?

02:37:18.000 It's a perspective issue, Eddie.

02:37:20.000 Do you know why they piece together the pictures of the Earth?

02:37:23.000 Because it's a perspective issue. 0.99

02:37:25.000 The Earth is fucking gigantic. 0.99

02:37:27.000 That's what they tell you, Joe. 0.98

02:37:27.000 And when you're at a space station, you're not far enough away to get the full Earth in view. 0.98

02:37:31.000 Maybe.

02:37:32.000 There's no pictures of space.

02:37:33.000 That's the bottom line.

02:37:34.000 When you shoot missiles, you have to take a cap cursor there.

02:37:37.000 You know this.

02:37:37.000 We would watch every space documentary.

02:37:39.000 We fucking had all the series. 0.98

02:37:41.000 The Universe, part 1 to 12. We were so into it. 0.99

02:37:44.000 I was so into it.

02:37:45.000 I would watch these star documentaries.

02:37:48.000 Oh, they just get high.

02:37:49.000 And every now and then I'd watch it and I'd think, it is weird that we're watching 100% CGI. Like, everything we're watching, there's no actual footage.

02:37:58.000 But that's because they don't have the capability to film hypernovas.

02:38:01.000 I don't know the name of the scientist.

02:38:03.000 I don't know the name of the astronomer or the astrophysicist.

02:38:06.000 But somebody figured this out.

02:38:07.000 They got something out there taking...

02:38:09.000 Where's the question?

02:38:10.000 No, no.

02:38:11.000 Here's what I'm saying.

02:38:12.000 Where's the question? 0.98

02:38:12.000 Because I've got to get the fuck out of here. 0.98

02:38:14.000 Real quick, real quick. 0.98

02:38:15.000 You know when you look in the stars every night?

02:38:17.000 Oh my God.

02:38:17.000 You know you see the Orion belt?

02:38:19.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:38:19.000 Why can't I just talk?

02:38:21.000 I mean, why is this annoying?

02:38:22.000 This is a stoner talk, dude.

02:38:24.000 That's all.

02:38:25.000 This is definitely not stoner talk.

02:38:26.000 This is a question.

02:38:27.000 I'm into it, Eddie.

02:38:28.000 There's a question.

02:38:30.000 Every night we look up at the stars and we see the Orion belt and we see the North Star. 1.00

02:38:37.000 You see that shit, right? 0.99

02:38:39.000 We're gonna do it tonight, you and me, holding hands. 1.00

02:38:41.000 Isn't that weird?

02:38:42.000 Okay, let's say this is the sun right here.

02:38:44.000 Let's say that's the sun.

02:38:48.000 Man, I don't know why this is pissing people off, but this is the Sun, and this is the Earth.

02:38:53.000 Because all this stuff has been figured out, Eddie!

02:38:55.000 There's astrophysicists that work their whole life on this!

02:38:57.000 No, no, I just want to ask you a question.

02:38:58.000 I just want to ask you a question.

02:38:59.000 Jesus Christ!

02:39:01.000 Jesus Christ!

02:39:02.000 Make fun of me with this!

02:39:03.000 Please!

02:39:04.000 Make fun of me with this!

02:39:05.000 Here's the Sun!

02:39:06.000 Here's the Sun!

02:39:08.000 Here's the Earth, and it takes a year to go around.

02:39:10.000 We spin around there.

02:39:11.000 That's mainstream.

02:39:12.000 And then we got Mercury and Venus here, right?

02:39:14.000 And then Mars and Saturn out here.

02:39:16.000 They're all going around.

02:39:18.000 And the solar system, according to mainstream, is like a plane.

02:39:21.000 No, it's three dimensions. 0.99

02:39:23.000 And then the sun's going around the goddamn... 0.98

02:39:25.000 The Earth is spinning 1,000 miles an hour, and it's going around the sun like 60,000 miles an hour, and then the sun's going around the fucking black hole like 900,000 miles an hour, something like that. 0.99

02:39:36.000 So there's all this shit going on. 0.93

02:39:37.000 So it takes a year for the sun, for the Earth to go around. 0.99

02:39:41.000 Yeah, it's huge.

02:39:42.000 It takes a year.

02:39:43.000 So right here's January, and then right here's June, right?

02:39:46.000 Yeah.

02:39:46.000 So when the sun is facing, when we're facing the sun, it's daylight.

02:39:51.000 And then when we spin this way, it's nighttime.

02:39:53.000 So when it's nighttime, the sun's over here, and we're looking at this side of the space.

02:39:59.000 We're looking at this side of space, right?

02:40:01.000 There's Orion Belt, the North Star. 0.99

02:40:03.000 Every fucking night, it's there. 0.99

02:40:05.000 By the time we get to June over... 0.99

02:40:07.000 Like, when we're looking at this side of the universe, what the fuck is on the other side of the universe? 0.94

02:40:12.000 Well, why don't you read some books and get into it, man? 0.97

02:40:15.000 No, no, no, no.

02:40:16.000 Hold us here hostage asking these crazy questions.

02:40:19.000 Listen, do you guys understand what I'm saying?

02:40:20.000 Why after?

02:40:21.000 Why after?

02:40:22.000 But it's in a different place from the sky.

02:40:24.000 You guys are like, hey, somebody figured it out.

02:40:25.000 I don't know what it is, but somebody figured it out.

02:40:27.000 It's just a question.

02:40:28.000 Well, Eddie, I don't know the answer.

02:40:30.000 That's the problem.

02:40:31.000 That's the question.

02:40:32.000 Someone does.

02:40:32.000 What is on the other side?

02:40:34.000 And when, in six months, when Earth gets over here, Why is it still the same?

02:40:40.000 Well, it's in different areas of the sky all the time.

02:40:43.000 Hold on a second.

02:40:43.000 But do you understand that it's not?

02:40:44.000 There's a procession of the equinoxes.

02:40:46.000 There's a cycle of thousands of years.

02:40:48.000 They've mapped out.

02:40:49.000 They know exactly there's a wobble to the earth.

02:40:52.000 There's a changing in the sky that we look at.

02:40:54.000 And it's one of the ways that they could determine when you go back in history and look at certain things that they had lined up to certain constellations, like in Egypt.

02:41:01.000 It's one of the ways they lined it up.

02:41:03.000 They line it up because they understand that we're looking at a different area of the sky every night, slightly different, and it changes over the course of thousands of years.

02:41:10.000 Why do we see the little dipper every night?

02:41:12.000 We should see...

02:41:13.000 Every night should be different.

02:41:15.000 Every night should be a completely random...

02:41:17.000 When you fly a plane, when you shoot a missile, when you shoot a bullet even, I think snipers have to take into account the curvature of the earth.

02:41:21.000 No, no, I'm talking about flatter.

02:41:22.000 I'm not talking about that.

02:41:23.000 I'm talking about the stars.

02:41:24.000 Let's wrap this up.

02:41:25.000 I'm talking about the stars.

02:41:26.000 I gotta get out of here.

02:41:26.000 I really gotta get out of here.

02:41:27.000 I can't do this.

02:41:28.000 I wanted to see if it was flat, though.

02:41:30.000 It's definitely not flat.

02:41:31.000 I don't know if it's flat or not.

02:41:32.000 Good night, everybody.

02:41:32.000 See ya.

02:41:33.000 Thanks, Joe.

02:41:34.000 This was super fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 30, 2017

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