The Joe Rogan Experience - June 29, 2014


Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - June 28, 2014 (Part 2)

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In this episode, we talk about the UFC Fight Night event in Las Vegas, UFC 232, UFC 246, and UFC 246. We also discuss the UFC 246 post-fight press conference. We also talk about UFC 246 and UFC 244. We have a special guest on the show to talk about his time as a referee and what it takes to be a good one! Also, we have a new segment called "Your Dad's a Bad Referee" where we have our Dad's take on refereeing mistakes in the UFC and the history of refereeing in MMA. If you like the show, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and we'll give you 5 stars! Thanks again for listening and Good Luck Out There! Cheers, EJ & Jon! -Jon & Matt -Your Dad is a Good Referee! -Jon talks about his experience as a UFC official and the mistakes he's made throughout his career in officiating UFC fights. Jon talks about what it's like being a refereeing a UFC fight and how he thinks it's one of the most difficult jobs he's ever done. EJ talks about some of his favorite fights of all time and talks about how he's been a part of the UFC Hall of Fame and what he's learned from his time officiating at UFC 246! Jon & Jon talk about how to be the best referee in MMA and what's going to come next in UFC. . Jon gives us some advice on how to prepare for UFC 246!! and much much more! We hope you enjoy this episode and we hope you guys enjoy it! Thank you for listening, Jon and Jon have a great time! XOXO! Love ya, Jon & Brett -J.J. -Sue -Ronda Rousey -Jon and Brett <3 -Jon is a good friend of the show & much more Thanks Jon and Brett is a great guy too! -Josie is a lot of love, Jon talks a lot more! <3 Jon talks some good stuff! ~Jon talks a little bit about this episode JB talks about the upcoming UFC fight night and much more!! -BJ talks some other stuff too! And much more... of course, we hope that you enjoy the UFC fight of the fight night!

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00:00:01.000 Alright, back.
00:00:03.000 Perfect.
00:00:03.000 We're back.
00:00:04.000 Jamie, on point.
00:00:05.000 Right at the time when the round starts.
00:00:07.000 I like how they're doing that when they have like a seven-eighths commercial.
00:00:11.000 Pretty Ronda Rousey. 1.00
00:00:14.000 Alright.
00:00:15.000 Second round.
00:00:16.000 Very interesting.
00:00:18.000 Who's better than Herb Dean as a referee?
00:00:20.000 I say no one.
00:00:21.000 That's good.
00:00:22.000 I think he's the best.
00:00:25.000 Big John McCarthy gets a little bossy.
00:00:28.000 I've seen that happen a few times.
00:00:31.000 I've got to bring this up.
00:00:32.000 The hardest one I ever saw was a, I want to say, Frodo versus Marlon Sandro.
00:00:38.000 There was a nut shot.
00:00:40.000 And John says, I don't think that was that bad.
00:00:42.000 You have two minutes.
00:00:43.000 Yeah, what is that?
00:00:44.000 And I'm there going, you can't do that.
00:00:47.000 Makes sense.
00:00:48.000 As the commentator, I have to explain that the referee just said something that doesn't make any sense.
00:00:54.000 Thanks, Dad.
00:00:55.000 Yeah, that's how you feel.
00:00:56.000 You're like, you can't do that.
00:00:58.000 Jeremy just tagged Cub with a nice right hand.
00:01:00.000 So that's the knock on Big John.
00:01:01.000 Well, how about the Strauss fight when James Strauss fought?
00:01:05.000 Bobby Green.
00:01:07.000 Bobby Green kicked him in the nuts two times. 0.97
00:01:08.000 Had him hurt bad. 0.99
00:01:09.000 Then kicked him in the nuts a third time. 0.93
00:01:10.000 So hard you could hear the cup. 0.98
00:01:12.000 You heard the pop.
00:01:12.000 You heard the pop of the cup.
00:01:14.000 And Big John said it was a gut shot and stopped the fight. 0.99
00:01:17.000 And, you know, I think knew that he fucked up but just didn't want to admit it. 0.98
00:01:21.000 That was a mistake. 0.99
00:01:22.000 That was just a mistake.
00:01:24.000 I mean, everybody makes mistakes.
00:01:25.000 Especially when you're in something like your referee in MMA. I mean, he's still one of my all-time favorites.
00:01:31.000 And he did a great fucking job. 0.99
00:01:31.000 Yeah, seriously. 0.99
00:01:32.000 Oh! 0.60
00:01:33.000 Right, popped him again. 0.99
00:01:34.000 Jeremy's a monster, man. 0.93
00:01:36.000 He just hit so hard. 0.95
00:01:37.000 He smiled at him.
00:01:38.000 And they touch gloves afterwards.
00:01:42.000 Yeah, Jeremy's power. 1.00
00:01:44.000 That fucking power. 1.00
00:01:45.000 Something you gotta deal with, man. 1.00
00:01:48.000 Ooh, and he goes to the body there.
00:01:51.000 The problem is, if you're Cub Swanson, you have to stay busy because you've got to outland the guy.
00:01:54.000 You can't go one for one with Jeremy Stevens.
00:01:56.000 Well, he's doing a lot of thinking here.
00:01:57.000 And he's thinking a lot, yeah.
00:01:59.000 Yeah, he's got to do a lot of thinking. 1.00
00:02:00.000 You've got this fucking monster in front of you. 0.99
00:02:03.000 So that's the problem, is you have to stay busy to outland him, but you can't leave a vulnerability for a guy who hits that hard. 1.00
00:02:08.000 You just can't.
00:02:09.000 Yeah, and he's quick.
00:02:11.000 Jeremy's not slow, and he's a good counterfighter, too.
00:02:14.000 He's not just an aggressive guy. 0.99
00:02:15.000 He's good at setting shit up. 0.99
00:02:16.000 That was a nice inside leg kick. 0.99
00:02:18.000 He's really come a long way since he went to Alliance, too.
00:02:21.000 Eric Del Fiero's doing a great job with him. 0.80
00:02:24.000 It's so fucking huge to have good coaching. 0.91
00:02:28.000 Yeah. 0.91
00:02:30.000 Have you been with Oyama your entire career?
00:02:32.000 No, I started with Chris Brennan, and then I left Chris just to go to Jeremy Wayne.
00:02:35.000 Team Next Generation?
00:02:36.000 Team NG? Next Generation back in the day.
00:02:38.000 Remember those guys? 0.99
00:02:39.000 I was a fucking kid, you know? 0.99
00:02:41.000 I just... 0.99
00:02:41.000 Oh! 0.99
00:02:42.000 Another good one.
00:02:43.000 He's hurt now.
00:02:44.000 He's in trouble. 1.00
00:02:45.000 Damn, that was a hard fucking punch. 1.00
00:02:48.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:02:50.000 He's not smiling at this one. 1.00
00:02:50.000 Holy shit. 1.00
00:02:52.000 No, then he smiles. 1.00
00:02:53.000 Yeah, dude, Jeremy Stevens can fucking bang. 0.99
00:02:55.000 Wow. 0.98
00:02:59.000 Cub has got to be very careful.
00:03:02.000 He looks all tentative now, too, right?
00:03:04.000 Yeah, I would be. 0.99
00:03:06.000 He's got fucking cracked a couple times. 0.99
00:03:10.000 Especially Jeremy at 145, carrying all that power down. 0.99
00:03:15.000 Isn't it a weird thing, power?
00:03:17.000 You can only teach so much.
00:03:20.000 You can teach a guy to hit harder, but you can never teach a guy to be like a Tommy Hearns. 1.00
00:03:25.000 You either have that shit, or you don't. 1.00
00:03:27.000 See, my brother got the power in the family. 1.00
00:03:29.000 He hits in a fucking truck. 1.00
00:03:31.000 But I just... 1.00
00:03:32.000 I don't know.
00:03:33.000 I didn't get it.
00:03:34.000 It's weird, isn't it?
00:03:36.000 You just either get it or you don't.
00:03:38.000 Oh, we tried that cartwheel kick again.
00:03:40.000 Like a guy like George Foreman.
00:03:42.000 You can never teach a guy to punch like that.
00:03:45.000 You can either do it or you don't.
00:03:48.000 So strange.
00:03:49.000 Because you can get a guy stronger, you can lift weights, and you can be physically stronger.
00:03:53.000 I think you can take it to, like you said, you can take it to a certain degree and teach a guy to really turn over a punch, stuff like that.
00:03:58.000 Right.
00:03:59.000 Yeah.
00:04:00.000 But you can never develop a Pepino Cuevas left hook.
00:04:03.000 No.
00:04:03.000 You have that hook because you have that hook.
00:04:05.000 Yeah, that power carries through technique. 0.99
00:04:07.000 And once your technique gets better, you just punch fucking harder and better. 0.98
00:04:10.000 Yeah, you just get better. 0.98
00:04:12.000 But there's certain guys, like they have that Rocky Marciano thing.
00:04:15.000 Yeah.
00:04:16.000 That Marciano-Jersey Joe Walcott knockout, there's like a classic photo.
00:04:20.000 Up against the rope, his arm's hanging there.
00:04:22.000 And he's connecting on Walcott's face, and Walcott's face is all distorted.
00:04:27.000 Like, Marciano had that creepy power.
00:04:29.000 That weird thing where guys can just fuck your world up with one shot.
00:04:35.000 And you either have that or you don't.
00:04:37.000 It's weird.
00:04:38.000 Great fighters who go their entire career without that one weapon.
00:04:44.000 Jeremy Stephens shoots and gets a takedown too.
00:04:47.000 That was one of the things that Cormier was talking about in the breakdown.
00:04:51.000 Stephens should threaten with a takedown or two just to keep Cub Swanson thinking.
00:04:57.000 It freezes people up a lot, man.
00:04:59.000 Yeah.
00:05:00.000 And he's right in front of his corner, too.
00:05:01.000 There's Eric Terfiero.
00:05:03.000 Right in front of the Alliance team. 0.99
00:05:05.000 Great fucking team in San Diego. 0.99
00:05:07.000 It's a good round for Stevens. 1.00
00:05:08.000 Huge round.
00:05:10.000 Cub Swans got a bunch of roses on his leg. 1.00
00:05:14.000 It's an interesting choice.
00:05:17.000 Woo! 0.99
00:05:18.000 Another good right.
00:05:19.000 Yeah.
00:05:20.000 I would like to hear what Cubs Corner's telling him, man.
00:05:24.000 I would love to hear what they have to say.
00:05:26.000 I wonder what kind of advice they're giving him.
00:05:29.000 You know?
00:05:30.000 What accent is Jackson using?
00:05:32.000 He's going Russian! 0.96
00:05:34.000 That was hilarious, that Russian accent.
00:05:36.000 I think they have a game that they play.
00:05:38.000 Oh my god.
00:05:38.000 He likes it when he talks to them like that.
00:05:40.000 He thinks it's funny.
00:05:41.000 At least that's what he said. 0.99
00:05:44.000 He's doing his best fucking latke impression. 0.99
00:05:46.000 That was a big fucking win for Henderson. 1.00
00:05:48.000 Beating Hobby Love. 1.00
00:05:49.000 Yeah.
00:05:50.000 Finishing him.
00:05:51.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:05:52.000 Finishing him with the rear naked. 0.99
00:05:53.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:05:57.000 Lower down and come back with something.
00:06:04.000 Look at this. 1.00
00:06:06.000 Jeremy Stevens is a motherfucker. 1.00
00:06:10.000 And that's that right hand over the top that really clipped him. 1.00
00:06:15.000 Two big rounds for Jeremy Stevens, right?
00:06:17.000 Yeah. 0.97
00:06:19.000 Jeremy looks fucking good, man. 0.98
00:06:21.000 It's got to be the beard. 0.99
00:06:21.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:06:22.000 It's a little bit of everything, man.
00:06:24.000 He's amped up, man.
00:06:25.000 The kid's motivated.
00:06:27.000 Round three.
00:06:28.000 See when he wakes up in the morning with his kids?
00:06:32.000 Fire it up! 0.97
00:06:33.000 Fire it up! 0.97
00:06:33.000 Like 6 in the morning. 0.97
00:06:34.000 Shane was already used to go down there.
00:06:36.000 That's what he does?
00:06:37.000 Oh yeah. 0.99
00:06:38.000 Gets up at like 6 and him and his kids are fucking chanting, marching around the house, cooking breakfast. 0.99
00:06:42.000 They say fire it up? 0.99
00:06:43.000 Really?
00:06:43.000 Fire it up?
00:06:44.000 And Shane didn't wake up early.
00:06:45.000 Is it the crow reference that's over everybody's head?
00:06:48.000 So he's got like a chant that he does in the morning?
00:06:51.000 Oh, he did just to get his kids up out of bed?
00:06:51.000 Wow.
00:06:53.000 Oh, that's hilarious.
00:06:54.000 My mom used to sing and I was like, Mom, get out of my room. 0.99
00:06:57.000 You are an early morning person.
00:06:59.000 Stop it.
00:07:01.000 I don't believe there are early morning people.
00:07:04.000 There's people that just wake up earlier than you and they want you to think they're early morning people so they have some sort of edge on you.
00:07:09.000 No, if you have no reason to get... 1.00
00:07:11.000 If it's Sunday and you're up at 5 in the morning like my mom, you love that shit. 1.00
00:07:16.000 You're an early morning person. 1.00
00:07:17.000 She will get up at 5, 5.30 on a Sunday for no reason. 0.99
00:07:20.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99
00:07:23.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99
00:07:24.000 My daughter woke me up at like 6.30 in the morning. 0.96
00:07:25.000 My dad will sleep till noon.
00:07:26.000 I don't know how they ever spoke to one another.
00:07:27.000 My kids will climb on top of me at 5.30 in the morning and start asking me questions.
00:07:31.000 Yeah, and I'm like, go away.
00:07:32.000 They're so cute, though.
00:07:34.000 Go hang out with Grandpa.
00:07:34.000 My four-year-old.
00:07:36.000 She would just touch my face.
00:07:37.000 Daddy.
00:07:38.000 Give you a kiss.
00:07:39.000 Oh, you're cute.
00:07:39.000 She's so sweet.
00:07:40.000 Can we go in the pool? 1.00
00:07:43.000 It's five in the fucking morning. 1.00
00:07:44.000 You want to swim? 1.00
00:07:45.000 Nice right hand.
00:07:46.000 Another right hand.
00:07:49.000 I knew better than trying to wake my dad up at six in the morning.
00:07:52.000 I got thrown through a window.
00:07:54.000 Seriously.
00:07:56.000 My dad did not play. 1.00
00:07:57.000 One daughter who is a fucking princess. 1.00
00:07:59.000 It's me and my dad living in the house. 1.00
00:08:00.000 So she's just got us fucking wrapped around her finger. 1.00
00:08:03.000 Like, she just... 1.00
00:08:04.000 I'm like, go...
00:08:06.000 You know, she wakes...
00:08:06.000 Two and a half.
00:08:07.000 She'll wake up, take her diaper off. 0.99
00:08:08.000 Come try and wake me up.
00:08:10.000 Cub with a nice right hand there, man.
00:08:11.000 Oh! 0.60
00:08:12.000 Good body kick!
00:08:13.000 That hurt him!
00:08:14.000 Oh! 0.60
00:08:15.000 Right uppercut! 1.00
00:08:16.000 He is hurt!
00:08:16.000 Another right hand!
00:08:17.000 Yep.
00:08:18.000 Oh! 0.60
00:08:22.000 Oh! 0.60
00:08:22.000 Jeremy's stunned, man. 0.60
00:08:23.000 He's stunned.
00:08:25.000 He is, and he's still trying to protect that body.
00:08:27.000 He's still hurting.
00:08:27.000 He can't bring his right hand up because he's keeping the elbow down there.
00:08:30.000 He's reacting from the body.
00:08:32.000 And Cubs sees it and goes to the left hook.
00:08:35.000 He went with the left hook upstairs.
00:08:37.000 And he brought it from down low.
00:08:39.000 Oh! 0.60
00:08:39.000 Uppercut! 0.60
00:08:40.000 Right hand!
00:08:40.000 Oh!
00:08:41.000 Oh! 0.60
00:08:42.000 Beautiful!
00:08:43.000 That's the accuracy of Cub.
00:08:44.000 He's got such good accuracy.
00:08:46.000 And that's something you saw in the Seaver fight.
00:08:48.000 Oh, good takedown defense too.
00:08:49.000 Jeremy's in a little bit of trouble.
00:08:51.000 See him breathe there?
00:08:51.000 He's trying to breathe to get the flow back to his lungs because he is...
00:08:56.000 That body shot's taking everything out of him. 0.98
00:08:59.000 Yeah, that body shot really fucked him up, man. 0.99
00:09:02.000 That kick. 0.94
00:09:03.000 And Cub's switching that stance against too.
00:09:05.000 Looking for it again.
00:09:06.000 Looking for that left kick. 0.51
00:09:08.000 Cub needs a recharge though right now.
00:09:09.000 Obvious with that left kick. 0.99
00:09:10.000 Throw that thing just at the body because...
00:09:12.000 Are they going to block it?
00:09:13.000 Yeah, even if you block it, you're hurting.
00:09:15.000 Yeah.
00:09:18.000 Well, I think he was throwing it up high just because he figured he was going to protect his ribs at all costs.
00:09:24.000 Jeremy's still hurting, man.
00:09:25.000 He's still hurting.
00:09:25.000 You see the power difference.
00:09:27.000 Cub landed some great shots in sequence and just couldn't get Stevens off his feet.
00:09:32.000 Yeah.
00:09:33.000 Yeah.
00:09:36.000 Man, interesting fight.
00:09:38.000 Very interesting.
00:09:39.000 Very, very interesting.
00:09:40.000 And interesting to see what kind of damage Jeremy has sustained from that kick to the body.
00:09:45.000 You know, a lot of guys get broken ribs from that kick to the body.
00:09:48.000 A lot.
00:09:49.000 Do you remember that Heath Herring cro-cop picture?
00:09:52.000 Yep.
00:09:53.000 There's a picture of Crow Cop where he threw a left body kick and it's halfway into Heath Haring's abdomen.
00:10:01.000 It literally looks like he got thrown from a car and wrapped around a telephone pole.
00:10:06.000 Who did he leave the toe, the foot bruise on?
00:10:10.000 Vanderlei, first fight.
00:10:10.000 Vanderlei.
00:10:11.000 Vanderlei Silva, man.
00:10:12.000 That was first fight.
00:10:13.000 Famous footprint.
00:10:15.000 Yeah, that was back when Vanderlei and him had that weird rule thing where they would only fight on the ground for 30 seconds.
00:10:21.000 They just wanted to stand and bludgeon each other.
00:10:23.000 Well, it was the first time that Krokop had fought MMA. Yeah.
00:10:26.000 So it was a weird hybrid match.
00:10:28.000 Yeah, he wanted some weird rules.
00:10:29.000 And if nothing happened, if nobody finished anybody, it was a draw.
00:10:33.000 So that's how that fight turned out, a draw.
00:10:33.000 Yeah.
00:10:35.000 And then in the rematch...
00:10:36.000 He just beat the career out of him.
00:10:38.000 In the rematch, it was full Krokop. 0.99
00:10:40.000 Yeah, there's the photo right there.
00:10:42.000 Look at that picture.
00:10:42.000 Yeah, there's the picture.
00:10:43.000 Oh, my God.
00:10:45.000 Oh, my God. 1.00
00:10:46.000 The photo of Mirko's fucking chin... 1.00
00:10:50.000 Halfway into Heath Haring's body is so terrifying. 1.00
00:10:53.000 That's a perfect kick too.
00:10:56.000 Can you kick any better than that?
00:10:57.000 That's about it.
00:10:58.000 It's perfect.
00:11:00.000 Jeremy and Cub going at it in the third round.
00:11:04.000 Jeremy cannot wait for this round to be over.
00:11:11.000 This is an amazing fight so far though.
00:11:14.000 Good knee to the body by Cub.
00:11:21.000 Do you think everyone always says, hey, there's that Mexican actor?
00:11:24.000 Ooh.
00:11:25.000 A Mexican actor?
00:11:26.000 We got from End of Watch.
00:11:29.000 Oh, that guy.
00:11:32.000 I didn't see that movie. 1.00
00:11:34.000 I've seen him in other shit. 0.99
00:11:34.000 But I know who that guy is. 0.99
00:11:38.000 Let me hear what they're saying.
00:11:41.000 Give us some volume, Jamie.
00:11:57.000 They're just talking about combinations.
00:11:59.000 I want to know about his body.
00:12:02.000 Deep breath.
00:12:03.000 Here it is.
00:12:04.000 Slam! 1.00
00:12:05.000 Right to the liver, man.
00:12:12.000 That look on your face when you know it's coming and you can't stop it.
00:12:16.000 There's that right hand over the top.
00:12:17.000 Look how accurate Cub is.
00:12:19.000 Yep. 0.98
00:12:20.000 He's so fucking accurate in these wild melees. 0.96
00:12:24.000 It was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen, as far as combinations of techniques landed, was his fight with Seaver. 0.99
00:12:32.000 Yeah, because everything was bunched up in one certain fucking box. 0.99
00:12:32.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:12:36.000 Yeah.
00:12:37.000 And Seaver was moving away, and he was chasing after him, but he was still catching with everything.
00:12:43.000 There's a good kick by Cub.
00:12:44.000 Cub's coming on strong in that third round.
00:12:46.000 This is a very interesting fight now.
00:12:48.000 Round two, definitely, you've got to give to Jeremy Stevens.
00:12:52.000 Round three, definitely, you've got to give to Cub.
00:12:54.000 The first round, I think, Stevens won.
00:12:58.000 But you're heading into subjective incompetence area.
00:13:04.000 You know, when a fight is close, it's like you would like experts to call it.
00:13:12.000 But they're not.
00:13:13.000 That's the weirdest thing about MMA judging.
00:13:15.000 They're not experts at all.
00:13:17.000 Some lady that got the job because she knew somebody in the commission? 1.00
00:13:20.000 I mean, for people who don't know anything about MMA that are listening to this, you would think that we're exaggerating, but we're not exaggerating.
00:13:20.000 Yeah.
00:13:28.000 MMA judging is...
00:13:30.000 The worst out of any sport in the world that you could think of where you have experts that are watching the contest at the highest level and they're aware of the subtle nuances of ebb and flow of the fight world.
00:13:45.000 Well, that must be the case in MMA, surely, where there's billions of dollars on the line.
00:13:50.000 Multinational corporations owned by Viacom and people called Zufa.
00:13:55.000 They would ensure that these things are judged correctly. 0.98
00:14:01.000 No, they're judged fucking terribly. 0.92
00:14:03.000 They're the worst judged contest probably in all of professional sports is MMA. There's more incompetence in MMA judging and more judging being done by people who have no idea what they're watching. 0.99
00:14:16.000 Just guesswork.
00:14:18.000 We'll have no background in the sport.
00:14:20.000 No background, not even as an amateur.
00:14:22.000 Not as an amateur competitor.
00:14:24.000 Not even as a person who practices it.
00:14:26.000 Not even a martial artist.
00:14:28.000 No martial arts background at all.
00:14:31.000 A lot of the delays sometimes will get on...
00:14:35.000 When there's a bad decision, there's a delay.
00:14:37.000 A lot of times our ring announcer, Michael C. Williams, is going around making sure that they knew it was the right person.
00:14:45.000 Like, you know, they're the one with the gray shorts and they're the one with the red shorts, right?
00:14:49.000 We had one where they had mixed it up.
00:14:51.000 They had gotten the wrong person.
00:14:52.000 He had to go around and go, you know, they have the red shorts.
00:14:55.000 Oh, hold on.
00:14:56.000 And they scratched it and put different numbers in there.
00:14:58.000 It has happened, man.
00:15:01.000 It's just the sport was kind of like nudged in.
00:15:01.000 Incompetence.
00:15:04.000 And one of the big pieces of evidence that it was nudged in is the adoption of the 10-point must system.
00:15:11.000 It's just not a good system.
00:15:13.000 There's too much going on in MMA. In boxing, that system makes sense because you're only boxing.
00:15:18.000 But when you have boxing with knees, elbows, kicks, and then takedowns, and then submissions, and then ground and pound, all those variables that don't exist...
00:15:30.000 In a boxing scoring system, the 10 points is just not enough.
00:15:35.000 What if they do like a 30 point system?
00:15:37.000 That's a good idea.
00:15:38.000 Groundwork, takedowns, and then striking.
00:15:41.000 And it's still all subjective though. 0.97
00:15:42.000 You'd have to know what the fuck is going on.
00:15:44.000 Like you'd have to know, like sometimes a guy's caught in a guy's, like a guy has a guy's back and a guy's in a lot of trouble. 0.99
00:15:52.000 And sometimes the guy's not in trouble at all.
00:15:54.000 And you have to be able to differentiate between a guy who's defending really well and a guy who's not defending well at all, who's on the brink of getting finished at any second.
00:16:03.000 There's a difference.
00:16:05.000 Why is Cub smiling?
00:16:06.000 Because he defended a takedown.
00:16:08.000 Good, he punched the body there.
00:16:10.000 In short range, he's digging that right hand at the body.
00:16:16.000 How hard are those knees to the thigh when you're up against the cage like that? 0.98
00:16:21.000 How much do those suck? 0.98
00:16:23.000 I don't know. 0.99
00:16:25.000 Do you not feel them at the time?
00:16:27.000 No.
00:16:27.000 You're so amped up with adrenaline?
00:16:30.000 Yeah, and you just kind of get past the pain thing.
00:16:32.000 That's going to go away.
00:16:34.000 When you're in training, do you wear knee pads when you're in training?
00:16:37.000 Sometimes.
00:16:37.000 Do you do those?
00:16:38.000 Sometimes.
00:16:38.000 Yeah, I won't knee without knee pads on.
00:16:40.000 I mean, that's just not really fair.
00:16:42.000 Right. 1.00
00:16:42.000 They gotta fuck each other up. 1.00
00:16:43.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00
00:16:43.000 It's rude. 1.00
00:16:44.000 It's just some rude shit to do to each other. 0.99
00:16:47.000 It's like foot stomps in training. 1.00
00:16:49.000 You have to be an asshole. 1.00
00:16:50.000 Those fucking stupid front knee kicks. 1.00
00:16:52.000 Oh, yeah, those are brutal. 1.00
00:16:53.000 Those oblique kicks and front leg side kicks that Jon Jones does to the thigh.
00:16:57.000 Yeah.
00:16:58.000 They're affected, but they're asthma.
00:16:59.000 Oh, Cub just...
00:17:00.000 Nice.
00:17:01.000 He's blitzkrieging.
00:17:02.000 Jeremy's starting to slow down a little bit.
00:17:05.000 I noticed in every training, remember I got kicked a knee around the muscle.
00:17:07.000 When they find that space in between the muscles, oh man.
00:17:11.000 It was always terrible the next day.
00:17:12.000 That's the accuracy of real tie balls.
00:17:14.000 Yeah, real tie guys. 0.99
00:17:15.000 They kick that one spot, and they kick it twice, and you're like, fuck, I'm over this. 0.96
00:17:19.000 Ernesto Hoos used to always get that spot right above the knee, where the bone meets the top of the quad, or the bottom of the quad. 0.89
00:17:26.000 Stop the Igor Vovchanchin with kicks in K1. Yeah, there's a few of those guys that tried to venture forth into K1 from MMA. Didn't always work out so great.
00:17:36.000 Disasterous results.
00:17:37.000 Oftentimes disastrous results.
00:17:39.000 But Rampage did that.
00:17:41.000 A lot of people forget.
00:17:42.000 Rampage fought Mike Bernardo, bro.
00:17:43.000 Yep. 0.99
00:17:44.000 And beat him in fucking K1. Rampage was a beast in his prime. 1.00
00:17:44.000 And beat him. 1.00
00:17:50.000 I mean, it kind of sucks now hearing him talk about retirement and hearing him, he's still fighting, but you can tell he's kind of on his way out, doing it for the money.
00:17:58.000 Yeah.
00:18:01.000 Job security.
00:18:02.000 Yeah.
00:18:02.000 Well, it's a lot of money.
00:18:03.000 I mean, he's got a bunch of kids, too.
00:18:04.000 There's a lot going on.
00:18:06.000 You've got to keep that money coming in.
00:18:10.000 But it's...
00:18:11.000 He's one of those guys...
00:18:12.000 He was the first guy I ever rolled with, ever.
00:18:15.000 Rampage?
00:18:15.000 It was Rampage.
00:18:17.000 I'm sure that was fun.
00:18:17.000 Really?
00:18:19.000 Yeah.
00:18:19.000 He brings it up a lot when we're hanging out and every time I see him.
00:18:25.000 Look at that.
00:18:25.000 Nice.
00:18:26.000 Nice knee.
00:18:27.000 Naturally one of the most just incredibly strong people.
00:18:30.000 Yeah, he's so strong.
00:18:31.000 Oh my god. 0.97
00:18:32.000 Yeah, I rolled with him before when we were filming that UFC whatever the fuck it was show for Spike. 0.98
00:18:38.000 So strong. 0.85
00:18:38.000 Yeah. 0.85
00:18:39.000 It's ridiculous. 0.97
00:18:40.000 Here we go. 0.92
00:18:43.000 Final round here.
00:18:44.000 Who do you think that last round went to?
00:18:45.000 That's a good question.
00:18:46.000 That's a close one.
00:18:47.000 It was close.
00:18:50.000 I wasn't really paying attention enough to score it.
00:18:54.000 You know, I don't like...
00:18:55.000 I mean, sometimes a round's obvious, but even when I'm doing commentary, I don't know, because when I'm doing commentary, I'm trying to point out all these different things about a round, and I'm not doing it... 0.91
00:19:06.000 I think if you're going to score a round, you should shut the fuck up, and you should have a piece of paper in front of you, and you should be marking things down.
00:19:12.000 You know, Eddie Bravo used to do it in between fights. 0.98
00:19:15.000 In between rounds, he would talk about the round...
00:19:18.000 And, you know, they have like unofficial scorekeeper, like they have Harold Letterman for boxing.
00:19:24.000 And Eddie used to have two columns, one for each guy, and he would have all these marks down as far as like hard kicks that were landed, punches that were landed, near submissions, and he had a whole system that he would do.
00:19:35.000 And it was a very accurate system.
00:19:36.000 I agreed with every one of his little infight in between round things. 0.95
00:19:42.000 Creativity, being smart, and being knowledgeable of what the fuck's going on. 0.98
00:19:46.000 Control... 0.90
00:19:48.000 There's a lot of variables.
00:19:49.000 I just think that there's too many variables for a 10-point must system.
00:19:54.000 We need our own system, and I don't know what the hell it's going to be. 0.96
00:19:57.000 I would like them to come up with better fucking gloves, and I would like them to come up with a better scoring system. 0.96
00:20:02.000 Those are my two number one gripes. 0.98
00:20:04.000 I have to score mine for Bellator, and some fighters get pissed at me, man.
00:20:09.000 Sorry, dude.
00:20:10.000 Why did they make you score it?
00:20:11.000 They just did.
00:20:12.000 They thought it was a good idea, and I was like, alright, I don't mind doing it. 0.98
00:20:15.000 You know, you should probably tell them, well, I don't know, do whatever the fuck you want, but... 0.92
00:20:18.000 I would probably tell them, I don't want to do that anymore. 0.98
00:20:21.000 I don't mind doing it.
00:20:22.000 Just who I think won and why.
00:20:25.000 It's just a good template for, here's why I think.
00:20:28.000 In explaining the scorecard, it does make me break it down, what I'm thinking while I'm watching it.
00:20:32.000 So I do like it.
00:20:33.000 Do you write things down when you're scoring?
00:20:36.000 Like when you're doing commentary, do you write anything down?
00:20:38.000 Yeah, sometimes I do.
00:20:39.000 Most of the time I do.
00:20:40.000 Yeah, I just try to...
00:20:42.000 When I'm doing commentary, since I don't have to score, I just try to be...
00:20:46.000 Oh, another good one! 1.00
00:20:49.000 Damn! 1.00
00:20:50.000 He's hitting him hard with that left. 1.00
00:20:53.000 Oh, another right hand.
00:20:55.000 Cobb is on him, man.
00:20:56.000 Oh, cartwheel kick.
00:20:57.000 Beautiful double jab. 0.86
00:20:59.000 Look at him, hands down.
00:21:01.000 Right hand.
00:21:02.000 Oh, he's taking over. 0.94
00:21:03.000 Jeremy's a bloody mess, too.
00:21:08.000 He's so creative. 0.96
00:21:09.000 Look what he just did there.
00:21:10.000 He ducks down and wings that overhead.
00:21:12.000 Oh, left hook.
00:21:13.000 Right on the dot every time.
00:21:16.000 He's so accurate, man.
00:21:18.000 And punching with your head off of the B line.
00:21:21.000 You can punch in the same area and still have your head off of whatever line you're going.
00:21:27.000 Another lead right.
00:21:28.000 Two minutes to go, though.
00:21:29.000 Good combinations.
00:21:31.000 This round is still kicking.
00:21:32.000 Jeremy's got a lot of blood coming out of that nose.
00:21:36.000 Oh, splattering everywhere.
00:21:37.000 Yeah, his face is a mess.
00:21:39.000 Oh! 0.60
00:21:40.000 Cub throws a lot of off-speed stuff, too.
00:21:43.000 He does things...
00:21:44.000 He's really hard to figure out what he's going to do.
00:21:46.000 Yeah.
00:21:49.000 Very sneaky with the way he moves at you.
00:21:52.000 He'll, like, slow, slow, fast!
00:21:54.000 You know?
00:21:54.000 He does a lot of that.
00:21:56.000 Nice left hook there.
00:21:58.000 A lot of times it's hard to see punches that come from the hip like that.
00:22:01.000 Very difficult, especially when you have good head movement.
00:22:03.000 And he's got very good movement.
00:22:05.000 Very good waist movement.
00:22:06.000 Back and forth. 1.00
00:22:10.000 Damn. 1.00
00:22:10.000 Yeah, I'm happy I don't have to score this fucking thing. 1.00
00:22:13.000 I really am. 0.99
00:22:14.000 I just get to watch it and not have to worry about it.
00:22:16.000 I just don't know, man. 0.98
00:22:18.000 I think if I was going to score rounds and do my best at it, I really would shut the fuck up. 0.98
00:22:23.000 Yeah, you'd have to. 0.98
00:22:24.000 Yeah.
00:22:25.000 Which I'm sure some people would like.
00:22:30.000 I cannot.
00:22:31.000 I've got to talk and score it soon.
00:22:32.000 Nice left hook again by Cub.
00:22:33.000 This is all Cub this round, man.
00:22:35.000 Jeremy's got to know that.
00:22:35.000 Yeah, totally.
00:22:37.000 I mean, it's a very interesting situation.
00:22:41.000 I think it all might hinge on that fourth round that was real close.
00:22:46.000 Yeah, right?
00:22:47.000 Because three and five are definitely Cub.
00:22:50.000 I would say one and two are Stevens right now.
00:22:52.000 It's all that fourth round.
00:22:53.000 You just looked up at the clock.
00:22:54.000 This is a perfect example of why one round being a 10-9 and this round being a 10-9 is ridiculous. 0.98
00:23:00.000 So the round that was really close, if that was a 10-9 for either one of those guys, and then this is a 10-9 round for Cub, that's fucking crazy. 0.99
00:23:07.000 That highlights how fucked up the system is. 0.98
00:23:10.000 Because Cub is schooling them in this round. 0.99
00:23:12.000 And Cub also schooled him in that other round.
00:23:14.000 Oh! 0.60
00:23:15.000 Jeremy lands that right hand.
00:23:17.000 Woo! 0.99
00:23:18.000 Still dangerous.
00:23:20.000 Still dangerous. 1.00
00:23:21.000 Fucking... 0.99
00:23:22.000 24 minutes? 1.00
00:23:23.000 24 and a half minutes in?
00:23:24.000 Yep.
00:23:25.000 Yeah.
00:23:26.000 Another good one! 1.00
00:23:27.000 He carries that fucking power. 1.00
00:23:29.000 And he'll switch it up, too. 1.00
00:23:30.000 Get you thinking about that overhand and come with that uppercut. 0.97
00:23:33.000 He heard him!
00:23:33.000 Oh!
00:23:34.000 He heard him!
00:23:34.000 It was a stumble there, man.
00:23:36.000 Damn, Jeremy Stevens is swinging. 0.99
00:23:39.000 I hate to see somebody lose this. 1.00
00:23:41.000 Fucking good fight, man. 0.99
00:23:42.000 That's a great fight. 0.99
00:23:43.000 Wow, wow, wow. 1.00
00:23:43.000 Holy shit. 1.00
00:23:44.000 That's a great fight. 1.00
00:23:46.000 Look at these guys. 0.98
00:23:47.000 That was fucking awesome. 0.98
00:23:48.000 Fantastic fight. 0.96
00:23:49.000 I love this, too.
00:23:50.000 I love this.
00:23:51.000 Yeah.
00:23:52.000 I love these guys walking around holding each other's arms up.
00:23:54.000 I love that.
00:23:55.000 Camaraderie, man.
00:23:55.000 Yeah.
00:23:56.000 Especially after the fight.
00:23:56.000 Amazing.
00:23:57.000 And there was a moment of pause when the bell rang. 1.00
00:23:59.000 They're still like, fuck you. 1.00
00:24:01.000 Ah, good fight. 1.00
00:24:03.000 Because Jeremy was chasing after him, moving him for the kill in that last minute.
00:24:08.000 I still gave that last round to Cub, but that highlights why, you know, it's like, what is that?
00:24:08.000 Amazing fight.
00:24:13.000 Is that a 10-9 round?
00:24:14.000 Is that a 10-8?
00:24:16.000 What is a 10-8? 1.00
00:24:17.000 You know, what the fuck? 0.99
00:24:19.000 Why do we still have this 10-point system? 1.00
00:24:21.000 It's fucking goofy. 0.98
00:24:24.000 So what do you think? 0.99
00:24:25.000 If you had a judge, if you had a guess...
00:24:28.000 I think Cub did more damage.
00:24:29.000 I would say Cub.
00:24:30.000 Yeah, I would say Cub too.
00:24:32.000 Cub as, I mean, the problem is when you're looking at that whole 10-point must system, is it going to be looked like that at the judges?
00:24:40.000 So it's saying right now that Jeremy broke his hand?
00:24:43.000 Is that what they said?
00:24:44.000 That's what it says right now.
00:24:46.000 Dana White tweeted.
00:24:47.000 He broke his hand in the third round.
00:24:49.000 I wonder which hand.
00:24:50.000 He was throwing both there at the end, so I was trying to pay attention. 0.93
00:24:54.000 He's so crazy.
00:24:54.000 It probably didn't bother him at all.
00:24:56.000 It goes numb.
00:24:57.000 Yeah.
00:24:57.000 Yeah, you don't really feel it.
00:24:58.000 He probably knew it and just kept bombing with it. 1.00
00:25:02.000 Fuck, I mean, I crushed my hand and broke my knuckle in like five pieces. 1.00
00:25:06.000 And then broke my hand, too. 1.00
00:25:08.000 Impacted it.
00:25:08.000 And it's just, you don't feel it.
00:25:10.000 I mean, it's not like I'm like, fuck yeah, bro, pain, you know? 0.98
00:25:12.000 It just went numb, and I think I threw a hundred and something punches. 0.99
00:25:16.000 Make that, show that fist. 0.99
00:25:17.000 Make that fist. 1.00
00:25:18.000 That's where it goes.
00:25:18.000 It's a little bruised right now.
00:25:19.000 It was a little swollen.
00:25:21.000 Jesus. 1.00
00:25:22.000 But if I can land it in this fucking eye socket... 0.99
00:25:24.000 And when you're training, what do you do to wrap your hands differently? 0.99
00:25:29.000 With boxing gloves on it, the padding's there, so it helps out a lot. 0.96
00:25:32.000 But if I still put it in someone's forehead or something or catch it on the overhand, which is how I broke it, it fucking hurts. 0.92
00:25:38.000 My finger's going to break like this. 0.94
00:25:40.000 I mean, it's all fucking bruised right now, but, you know, it's... 0.90
00:25:44.000 Here it is. 0.93
00:25:45.000 Here it is.
00:25:51.000 Cub Swanson.
00:25:53.000 I thought so.
00:25:54.000 I thought that was justified.
00:25:54.000 I think that's justified.
00:25:56.000 I think it's justified in terms of the overall fight.
00:26:00.000 If you look at the overall fight, I think that Cub Swanson won the overall fight.
00:26:05.000 Definitely Jeremy had some moments and definitely Jeremy scored a lot and had Cub hurt at one point in time.
00:26:15.000 It's a good fight, man.
00:26:16.000 Yeah, really good.
00:26:19.000 That's the kind of fight that you want to see when you see a guy who's fighting for a world title next.
00:26:26.000 He fights another top guy in the division, two hungry young lions, and both guys had moments.
00:26:35.000 Jeremy had some big moments in that fight, but Cobb had more moments.
00:26:40.000 It's a big win for him, man.
00:26:42.000 And, you know, Jeremy Stephens being the harder hitter, he stepped forward and landed some good shots.
00:26:48.000 Cub had to do a lot of things to keep that pressure on.
00:26:51.000 He didn't have that one-shot power.
00:26:52.000 He had to show a lot of accuracy, threw a lot of jabs, mixed a lot of kicks in there, a lot of head movement.
00:26:57.000 He had to do a lot more because he didn't have that power.
00:27:00.000 Yeah, that's an interesting fight.
00:27:01.000 I like seeing that personally.
00:27:02.000 Yeah, I do too.
00:27:03.000 Well, that's the kind of fight too that makes a guy really grow. 0.99
00:27:06.000 That's some serious fucking experience you get there. 0.99
00:27:08.000 Mentally, just your fight IQ goes up fucking a lot of points. 0.99
00:27:08.000 Exactly. 0.99
00:27:13.000 When you fought, like, who do you think?
00:27:15.000 Because you've seen Ian McCall.
00:27:17.000 When you fought Mighty Mouse.
00:27:20.000 When you fought Benavidez.
00:27:22.000 Do you have any fights that you look back on and say, that's the fight that really I took the most from?
00:27:22.000 What fight?
00:27:30.000 I would say, me and Joe, I don't think either of us fought to our full potential in that fight.
00:27:34.000 How come?
00:27:35.000 I don't know.
00:27:35.000 We just kind of stood there.
00:27:37.000 Neither of us moved like we should have.
00:27:39.000 We didn't get after it, you know?
00:27:46.000 You know, I'm pretty disappointed in my UFC career, so I don't know.
00:27:50.000 Are you really?
00:27:50.000 Yeah.
00:27:51.000 Is that a down note, dude?
00:27:53.000 Is it because you're a perfectionist?
00:27:55.000 Because you're constantly striving to improve?
00:27:55.000 Yeah.
00:27:57.000 Yeah, I should be a world champion.
00:27:58.000 It's not good enough.
00:27:59.000 And I think that everyone knows I'm the only threat to Demetrius.
00:28:02.000 Listen to you.
00:28:03.000 And, you know, it's... 0.99
00:28:05.000 I fucking molested him once on the ground. 1.00
00:28:07.000 I'll get my fucking hands on you. 1.00
00:28:07.000 I'll do it again. 1.00
00:28:10.000 I think that, you know what?
00:28:11.000 I don't have the best pure jiu-jitsu.
00:28:13.000 I don't have the best pure wrestling.
00:28:16.000 I don't have the best pure striking. 0.99
00:28:18.000 But when it comes to getting in a fucking fist fight and having it end up on the ground, I'll fuck up anybody in my weight class. 0.99
00:28:25.000 I don't think there's anybody who can do it. 0.99
00:28:26.000 You want to scramble with me? 0.98
00:28:27.000 You want to, you know, with submissions and shit like that and punches? 1.00
00:28:30.000 I'll fuck you up. 1.00
00:28:32.000 What do you think separates you? 1.00
00:28:33.000 What do you think it is?
00:28:36.000 Oh man, I don't want to sound like Gene LaBelle too much.
00:28:38.000 Gene LaBelle too much?
00:28:40.000 But I get off on it. 0.99
00:28:41.000 And it's maybe not as sexual as Gene likes it to be, but I thoroughly enjoy fucking people up, man. 0.99
00:28:47.000 It's a good time. 0.98
00:28:49.000 It's always entertaining.
00:28:50.000 I got a lot of pent-up aggression.
00:28:51.000 I like to perform.
00:28:53.000 I think performing has become the biggest part.
00:28:54.000 Just putting on a show.
00:28:56.000 Yeah, and if someone's...
00:28:58.000 Their well-being is at stake during that. 0.99
00:29:00.000 Fuck, I'm sorry. 1.00
00:29:01.000 Sorry, I'm not sorry. 0.99
00:29:02.000 And what card are you on next?
00:29:04.000 July 19th in Ireland.
00:29:06.000 I'm fighting Brad Pickett.
00:29:07.000 Oh, that's a good fight.
00:29:07.000 Finally.
00:29:08.000 That's an interesting fight.
00:29:09.000 I get to fight an Englishman in Ireland.
00:29:11.000 Wow.
00:29:13.000 It's Gaelic.
00:29:15.000 It's Irish, Scottish, Wales, I think that's what Gaelic is.
00:29:18.000 Oh, your last name.
00:29:19.000 Yeah, it's Ian McCall.
00:29:21.000 You don't get any more Irish than that, but sorry I'm not Irish.
00:29:24.000 Yeah, they're going to be bummed out. 1.00
00:29:25.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 0.99
00:29:26.000 You're confusing us. 1.00
00:29:27.000 We want to root for you.
00:29:28.000 Yeah, seriously.
00:29:29.000 You don't look Irish. 0.99
00:29:30.000 You're Mexican or something. 1.00
00:29:33.000 That's hilarious, man.
00:29:34.000 That's a good fight, though.
00:29:35.000 I love that fight.
00:29:36.000 Brad Pickett's fun.
00:29:37.000 He's a fun guy.
00:29:38.000 I mean, we're going to get a bonus.
00:29:41.000 Did Pickett fight flyweight yet?
00:29:43.000 Once.
00:29:44.000 Who did he fight?
00:29:45.000 Neil Seary, the Irish guy.
00:29:47.000 Did he win or lose? 1.00
00:29:48.000 He won, but he looked like shit. 1.00
00:29:49.000 Yeah, I mean, he... 1.00
00:29:49.000 Did he? 1.00
00:29:50.000 Tough weight cut?
00:29:51.000 I think that was a big part of it, and you know, you're supposed to be a boxer, and you get cracked, and you turn into a wrestler, but I'm not going to get out-wrestled by an Englishman.
00:29:59.000 That would be embarrassing, wouldn't it? 0.98
00:30:00.000 Yeah, you know, but I talk shit, but I got fucking taken down by a Brazilian, so I've jumped into it. 1.00
00:30:06.000 But so, again, I say stupid shit all the time. 1.00
00:30:09.000 You're comfortable with saying stupid shit. 1.00
00:30:09.000 Forgive me. 1.00
00:30:11.000 Yeah, because it's entertainment. 0.99
00:30:13.000 You know, I think people get buttered on Twitter that shit I say, and I'm like... 1.00
00:30:16.000 Motherfucker, you got a problem, you can text me or something. 1.00
00:30:19.000 Some people that I know have gotten hurt. 1.00
00:30:21.000 The internet is filled with people that are not just butt hurt, but looking to be butt hurt.
00:30:25.000 And I'm just playing the game. 1.00
00:30:26.000 People have said the most horrible shit to me online. 1.00
00:30:29.000 I mean, with recent events, especially shit that's been said to me, I'm like, Jesus Christ, you guys are mean. 1.00
00:30:36.000 Good thing I don't have feelings. 0.99
00:30:38.000 If I had a heart, man, this would really suck. 0.62
00:30:41.000 Not just mean, but mean, and they don't even know you. 0.54
00:30:44.000 It's not like they're angry at you, and they're trying to get back at you because you did something to them that they can't forgive.
00:30:50.000 It's like, no, you don't have any relationship with them at all. 1.00
00:30:53.000 They just reach out to you and just try to shit on you because their life is fucking miserable. 0.99
00:30:57.000 Have we ever met before? 1.00
00:30:59.000 No. 1.00
00:30:59.000 If you were in person, I'd break this fucking mug over your head and stick it in your neck. 1.00
00:31:05.000 You want to fuck with me? 1.00
00:31:06.000 For what? 1.00
00:31:07.000 For what reason?
00:31:08.000 Just to try to get a rise out of you?
00:31:11.000 Yeah, to ruin my day.
00:31:12.000 Well, it's because...
00:31:12.000 They just want a response from you, because they don't have anything going on in their lives.
00:31:16.000 And they just want to...
00:31:17.000 Oh, I got your Rogan mad, and he said something to me.
00:31:20.000 It's a big deal to them.
00:31:21.000 There's definitely that.
00:31:22.000 That's a fact, for sure.
00:31:22.000 That's true.
00:31:24.000 That is huge. 0.86
00:31:24.000 And that's a sure sign that you're a loser, because that's something that winners don't do. 0.86
00:31:28.000 I've always said that Michael Jordan is not leaving YouTube comments.
00:31:31.000 You know?
00:31:31.000 No.
00:31:32.000 He's not, like, shitting all over someone's fucking video. 1.00
00:31:35.000 You know what I mean? 1.00
00:31:36.000 This fucking song blows. 1.00
00:31:38.000 Go with the dine of fire. 1.00
00:31:39.000 You know, that kind of attitude is almost always perpetrated by losers. 0.99
00:31:43.000 And it's just a matter of thinking a certain way that you will constantly chase down an Ian McCall and shit all over him and try to hurt his feelings, try to reach him online, try to... 0.99
00:31:52.000 Recognize me! 0.98
00:31:54.000 I'm here.
00:31:55.000 I know things about you.
00:31:56.000 You're in a bad relationship.
00:31:57.000 I know about your relationship.
00:31:59.000 He's supposed to be a comedian.
00:32:01.000 And he called out Louis C.K. for a fight.
00:32:03.000 To fight Louis.
00:32:04.000 Who? 1.00
00:32:04.000 Some fucking guy. 1.00
00:32:05.000 I don't know his name. 1.00
00:32:06.000 Fight Louis C.K. He wants to fight him.
00:32:08.000 And he called out me.
00:32:09.000 And he says, check this guy out calling out Louis C.K. And I was like, oh, so I retweeted it.
00:32:12.000 And then I watched it.
00:32:13.000 And I was like, is that you? 1.00
00:32:14.000 You're a fucking douchebag. 1.00
00:32:16.000 You're a horrible person. 1.00
00:32:16.000 You're a piece of shit. 1.00
00:32:17.000 And I'm sorry I fucking retweeted that. 1.00
00:32:19.000 But you're the kind of guy that I'm going to fucking spit in my hand and slap you in the mouth with it. 0.99
00:32:24.000 So he's calling out Louis C.K. because Louis C.K. is doing well. 1.00
00:32:28.000 And then he calls me out.
00:32:28.000 Exactly.
00:32:29.000 And I was like, do you know who the fuck you're talking to? 1.00
00:32:35.000 It's just weird. 1.00
00:32:36.000 There's a lot of idiots out there. 1.00
00:32:37.000 But those idiots think that that's the way they can become famous. 1.00
00:32:39.000 That's the way they can get a name. 1.00
00:32:41.000 You know Craig Carton?
00:32:42.000 He used to do the MMA Uncensored show?
00:32:44.000 Yeah.
00:32:45.000 Everybody hates the guy.
00:32:47.000 Because he's like a New York loudmouth radio host. 0.51
00:32:51.000 And everybody hates him.
00:32:52.000 And we were doing a shoot.
00:32:54.000 I was on the show, and he's actually a nice guy in real life.
00:32:56.000 And he goes, not one time, with all the hate I get, has anyone in real life, in person, ever said anything to me.
00:33:03.000 I go, really?
00:33:04.000 He goes, not once.
00:33:06.000 And he is hated.
00:33:07.000 Not like there's some people out there that don't like you and me, Joe.
00:33:09.000 I'm talking like most people don't like Craig Carton.
00:33:12.000 He's like an obnoxious New York guy.
00:33:13.000 Most people like you. 0.92
00:33:14.000 And they don't.
00:33:14.000 Most people I talk to, a little MMA fans, like you a lot.
00:33:18.000 They think you do really well. 0.97
00:33:20.000 But yeah, there are some people that just get fucking universally hated. 0.99
00:33:25.000 I talk to a lot of people that fucking hate Jon Jones. 0.97
00:33:29.000 And they're talking to me about how Jon Jones is hated. 0.99
00:33:32.000 All my friends hate Jon Jones. 1.00
00:33:33.000 He's so fucking cocky. 0.99
00:33:35.000 And I'm like, let me help you out here. 0.99
00:33:36.000 Here's what's going on.
00:33:37.000 You know and I know that Jon Jones is awesome.
00:33:40.000 And that's one of the things that's bothering you, is that Jon Jones knows he's awesome.
00:33:44.000 Does he do things that are debatable?
00:33:46.000 Yeah, he got in an accident with a Bentley when he was drunk with a bunch of strippers in his car.
00:33:51.000 Sounds to me like he was having a good time. 1.00
00:33:53.000 He's young and dumb. 1.00
00:33:54.000 End of the night. 1.00
00:33:55.000 You can't get mad at that.
00:33:57.000 So what are you mad at?
00:33:57.000 You're mad at the fact that he thinks he's going to win every fight?
00:34:00.000 He won every fight.
00:34:00.000 Guess what?
00:34:01.000 So he's right.
00:34:02.000 You know, like, what are you mad at?
00:34:03.000 I don't understand.
00:34:04.000 You're mad that he's ducking Gustafson. 0.98
00:34:06.000 He wanted to fight Daniel fucking Cormier, Olympic wrestler, undefeated both as a heavyweight and as a light heavyweight, a guy who's been running through people, destroyed Dan Henderson. 1.00
00:34:17.000 He wants to fight him, and you think he's a coward. 0.99
00:34:20.000 That makes a lot of sense. 1.00
00:34:22.000 People are fucking stupid. 1.00
00:34:23.000 Look, the simple phrase of, go ahead and explain yourself, tears most people completely. 1.00
00:34:29.000 No, just...
00:34:29.000 Take that logic a bit further.
00:34:31.000 I just want to hear you express it one piece at a time and everything falls apart.
00:34:35.000 Also, the other thing that fucks people up is the platform of being able to do a Twitter post or a blog entry or anything where you're not addressing a human.
00:34:46.000 A person's not challenging what you say.
00:34:49.000 Like, if you're saying something, even if you're saying something to me, if you're not talking to Jon Jones, you're saying something to me that doesn't make any sense, I'll go, wait, hold on.
00:34:56.000 What?
00:34:57.000 I'll stop you at the first paragraph and go, that's not even true.
00:35:00.000 That doesn't make sense.
00:35:01.000 Well, here's why.
00:35:02.000 But instead, they get to just blah, blah, blah, blah, There was an experiment at Stanford University where they put people in masks and had them shock people.
00:35:26.000 And what it is, they had a control group where one subject didn't have masks on.
00:35:31.000 And they were behind this glass and they were shocking people when they would answer questions a certain way.
00:35:35.000 Then they took a group of people and put masks on them and did the same experiment.
00:35:39.000 And people would hit the button like incessantly.
00:35:41.000 They wouldn't even ask a question.
00:35:43.000 They would just shock them. 0.99
00:35:44.000 As soon as they became anonymous, they would hit that fucking thing when they said the right answer, when they didn't even talk in. 0.99
00:35:50.000 And they realized when you make people, and this is like 1972, and they realized when you make people anonymous, They will do horrible shit incessantly. 0.99
00:36:00.000 As soon as they put masks on, they would hit the shock button constantly throughout the experiment. 0.87
00:36:04.000 Why do you think the KKK wore masks? 1.00
00:36:06.000 People are shitty. 1.00
00:36:08.000 People can be really fucking shitty. 1.00
00:36:10.000 But also awesome. 0.99
00:36:12.000 People are pretty fucking awesome.
00:36:13.000 All my favorite people are people. 0.93
00:36:15.000 The way I look at it personally, that's a great statement.
00:36:19.000 My favorite people are animals.
00:36:21.000 I'm throwing that out there right now. 1.00
00:36:22.000 I like pets and shit. 1.00
00:36:23.000 I'm into monkeys and shit. 1.00
00:36:25.000 My... 1.00
00:36:26.000 Because monkeys do have shit. 1.00
00:36:27.000 They do have shit, and they fling it. 1.00
00:36:29.000 My thing is, like, I like, you know, if I like something, I'm a reasonable, normal human being, and I don't like pickles, and I like the Pittsburgh Steelers, I've never gone online and talked about either one of those subjects. 0.99
00:36:44.000 Most people that like something, or don't like, just go, oh yeah, I like, you know, Jimmy Smith's alright, they're not gonna get on a forum and yell about me.
00:36:52.000 It's, the vast majority of people that like something and just enjoy it, Generally don't make a big deal about it.
00:36:58.000 We're talking about a very slender part of the population that is just loud and obnoxious about stuff.
00:37:04.000 Yeah, no matter what you do. 0.99
00:37:05.000 They all have a fucking computer and a smartphone. 1.00
00:37:08.000 So every asshole has a fucking voice now. 1.00
00:37:08.000 Right. 1.00
00:37:11.000 Everybody's got an opinion.
00:37:12.000 This thing about being anonymous and being able to reach people, this is unprecedented in human culture.
00:37:17.000 Yeah.
00:37:36.000 I think everyone's going to know who everyone else is.
00:37:39.000 You're going to be accountable.
00:37:40.000 So at the NSA. Yeah.
00:37:41.000 Exactly.
00:37:42.000 If you're doing death threats to the government, they know who you are immediately.
00:37:48.000 You could try to hide behind a proxy, but they're going to find you.
00:37:52.000 They're going to find you really quickly.
00:37:54.000 And ultimately, that kind of ability is going to trickle down to the common man.
00:37:58.000 Everyone's going to have that ability to do. 0.99
00:38:01.000 And the world is going to know that you're a cunt for doing that, too. 0.99
00:38:04.000 Have you found out, like, you remember that Reddit thing that happened a while back where there was a guy who would post all kinds of fucked up shit on Reddit, and he, like, creep shots, like upskirt shots and stuff, and underage shots, and all this different weird, creepy shit, and then they found out who he was in real life, 0.99
00:38:20.000 and they contacted his employer and showed him all the stuff that he put online. 0.99
00:38:23.000 They fired that fucking guy. 1.00
00:38:25.000 And the guy had a wife and kids and the whole deal and lost his job and got outed on the internet. 1.00
00:38:25.000 It could. 1.00
00:38:32.000 And millions of people hated that guy after that.
00:38:35.000 So many people got a hold of the articles and retweeted things and Facebooked it.
00:38:39.000 It was a big issue. 0.98
00:38:41.000 A big issue about freedom of speech and privacy, but also a big issue about outing fuckheads. 0.99
00:38:45.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:38:46.000 Good.
00:38:47.000 Yep. 1.00
00:38:47.000 Fuck them. 1.00
00:38:48.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:38:49.000 Fuck them all, says Ian McCall. 1.00
00:38:49.000 Fuck them all. 1.00
00:38:52.000 That rhymes. 1.00
00:38:53.000 That rhymes really well.
00:38:54.000 So the fights are over, gentlemen.
00:38:57.000 I guess the podcast is over, too.
00:38:58.000 This has been a great time.
00:39:00.000 Yes, it has been, man. 0.98
00:39:01.000 It's a good fucking fun three hours. 0.94
00:39:03.000 We put this together this afternoon, too. 0.98
00:39:05.000 Yeah, I got a call this afternoon.
00:39:06.000 What are you doing tonight?
00:39:06.000 I'm like, nothing, bro.
00:39:08.000 He's like, I am there.
00:39:08.000 What's going on?
00:39:10.000 I am there.
00:39:11.000 Yeah, this is a lot of fun, man.
00:39:12.000 Warm up my seat, man.
00:39:13.000 I'll be there.
00:39:13.000 And I really wanted to do it with you, too, because I don't know how many people know that we're really friendly with each other.
00:39:19.000 Yeah.
00:39:20.000 Despite the fact that we're supposed to be some... 0.97
00:39:23.000 I guess we're supposed to be rivals or some shit or not get along. 0.97
00:39:26.000 Well, it's because of the whole Bjorn-Dana thing. 0.99
00:39:28.000 That's so goofy to me.
00:39:30.000 The way I see it is, if there's a rivalry between the UFC and Bellator...
00:39:35.000 At what level does that really happen?
00:39:38.000 When I see Kenny or you, it's like, hey, we're peers.
00:39:41.000 We do the same job.
00:39:42.000 We're like, hey, how's it going, man?
00:39:43.000 We talk about fights or whatever.
00:39:45.000 I know you know a lot of the technical people that have worked on both shows.
00:39:48.000 It's not like they don't get along.
00:39:49.000 It's not like the director sees my director and starts a fight or something. 1.00
00:39:52.000 Fuck you! 1.00
00:39:53.000 Yeah, it doesn't work that way. 1.00
00:39:55.000 It's funny.
00:39:56.000 I ran into some dudes last night.
00:39:58.000 Like, Frosty, man.
00:39:58.000 The industry's not so small.
00:39:59.000 I love that guy.
00:40:00.000 Yeah, great guy.
00:40:01.000 He's a great guy.
00:40:01.000 I love him.
00:40:01.000 He's my boy.
00:40:02.000 I ran into some guys last night that are just jiu-jitsu guys, and we talk jiu-jitsu until 2 o'clock in the fucking morning. 0.93
00:40:07.000 That's like when you run into someone who likes what you like, and you start talking, like... 0.93
00:40:13.000 I don't know.
00:40:14.000 I've never understood that, though.
00:40:15.000 I support other people's podcasts.
00:40:17.000 I've always supported other comedians.
00:40:19.000 I think the main competition is always with yourself.
00:40:23.000 And when you bring in someone else who's good, or you have someone around you that's good, and you have to compare yourself to them, I think it makes you better.
00:40:31.000 So I think it's important.
00:40:32.000 You see that a lot in MMA, man.
00:40:32.000 Very true.
00:40:34.000 How many times do you see guys that are training and they're in the same goddamn weight class and they're helping each other out and you know that one day they might have to fight each other? 0.88
00:40:41.000 Like Uriah and TJ Dillashaw. 0.69
00:40:44.000 After Uriah loses to Hennon Burrell, he says, hey, there's a guy in my camp.
00:40:48.000 I'd love to see him fight for the title next.
00:40:49.000 I'd love to see TJ Dillashaw get a shot. 0.99
00:40:52.000 Same fucking weight class! 1.00
00:40:54.000 Beating each other's asses every day and still supporting him. 1.00
00:40:57.000 That's a brotherhood right there. 0.99
00:41:00.000 That's where it's at, right?
00:41:01.000 Community is not that big.
00:41:02.000 I think that's what people don't get.
00:41:03.000 Community is not that big.
00:41:05.000 We all know one another.
00:41:06.000 At least there's two degrees of separation in this entire sport.
00:41:10.000 How many of us are there?
00:41:11.000 Not a lot of us out there.
00:41:12.000 Jason Chambers, who's a friend of mine who does 1FC. There's you, Jimmy Smith.
00:41:18.000 I fought Jason Chambers.
00:41:21.000 Only one degree of separation this entire...
00:41:21.000 There's only one.
00:41:23.000 And you guys both had a TV show where you're traveling around doing different martial arts.
00:41:28.000 He did Human Weapon.
00:41:28.000 I did Fight Quest.
00:41:29.000 He called me, sent me a message as soon as Fight Quest came out and goes, Hey man, great to see you on TV, man.
00:41:35.000 I hope you get to hang out soon.
00:41:36.000 I was like, hey, good luck with your thing too, bro.
00:41:38.000 Yeah, Jason's a great guy.
00:41:39.000 I was like, what?
00:41:40.000 We're going to, you know...
00:41:42.000 Jason's an awesome guy.
00:41:42.000 Fight again?
00:41:43.000 We already did once. 0.96
00:41:44.000 It's ridiculous.
00:41:45.000 It doesn't work that way. 0.96
00:41:47.000 Anthony Bourdain and Andrew Zimmerman.
00:41:48.000 Yeah, they're going to have a brawl. 1.00
00:41:51.000 I'm the only one of those cooks, you fucking cunt. 1.00
00:41:53.000 What are you traveling, you piece of shit? 1.00
00:41:55.000 I mean, how many of us are there? 1.00
00:41:57.000 Now there's a couple of fighters that do it. 0.82
00:41:58.000 Kenny and Brian Stan.
00:42:00.000 Frank Mir used to do it until Woody said he wanted to kill Brock Lesnar in the ring.
00:42:05.000 He wanted Brock Lesnar to be the first MMA death.
00:42:07.000 Our first MMA death in ring.
00:42:08.000 Not smart.
00:42:10.000 Well, not the smart, but still, I don't think it's like, you know, the guy's a great commentator.
00:42:15.000 He was really good.
00:42:16.000 I enjoyed his commentary.
00:42:16.000 Yeah, I thought he was.
00:42:17.000 But, I mean, there's only, the point being, there's maybe 10 of us worldwide.
00:42:22.000 I mean, I don't know who does that Indian promotion.
00:42:25.000 Do they still have that Indian promotion?
00:42:27.000 Super Fight League?
00:42:28.000 Something.
00:42:28.000 It was big for a little while.
00:42:30.000 The Arab Emirates.
00:42:31.000 The UAE. UAE? UAE, whatever it is.
00:42:36.000 One of my buddies is fighting out there soon.
00:42:38.000 Is it a new organization?
00:42:39.000 I think so.
00:42:39.000 You know how much money they have.
00:42:40.000 It's hard to think of any job where there are fewer people doing it than MMA commentary.
00:42:46.000 There are a dozen of us in the whole world.
00:42:48.000 I never thought about that.
00:42:49.000 How many jobs are there?
00:42:50.000 Yeah, there are ten of us. 0.99
00:42:51.000 Yeah, no shit. 0.99
00:42:52.000 I mean, CEO, there's several hundred. 0.99
00:42:55.000 Yeah, that's why we can run into each other and talk shop.
00:43:00.000 Which is what we do, generally.
00:43:02.000 How many of us are there?
00:43:04.000 That's interesting.
00:43:05.000 Yeah, it's probably...
00:43:07.000 A dozen of us?
00:43:08.000 They do major promotions at...
00:43:10.000 Anyone has seen.
00:43:11.000 President of the United States is probably, you know, that's a singular pursuit.
00:43:14.000 That's a biggie.
00:43:14.000 That's a biggie.
00:43:15.000 When you run into former presidents, you're fucking... 0.99
00:43:18.000 But those are former presidents. 0.99
00:43:19.000 As far as people doing the job currently, man, yeah.
00:43:22.000 Yeah.
00:43:23.000 But I guess boxing commentators, but there's probably way more of them.
00:43:26.000 Yeah.
00:43:26.000 Yeah.
00:43:27.000 It's been around longer.
00:43:27.000 There's just more boxing on TV, too.
00:43:29.000 Well, they always do more guys, too.
00:43:31.000 Like, I was listening to some boxing last night, and there was, like, four guys talking.
00:43:34.000 Like, three-man boosts, which I don't like in MMA. Yeah.
00:43:36.000 But they do them in boxing.
00:43:37.000 Well, it can fuck up, especially if, you know, you got too many people talking over each other when action happens or they don't, like, specific roles, like, especially when it comes to, I think you and I both do something very different than other sports, too, where there's a color guy and a play-by-play,
00:43:37.000 Yeah.
00:43:52.000 but we both do play-by-play. 1.00
00:43:54.000 We do color, but we also do play-by-play, especially when shit goes to the ground. 1.00
00:43:58.000 Because the play-by-play guy doesn't really know what the fuck is happening. 0.99
00:44:02.000 Well, they do a little, but you kind of have to do that, where you have to explain every nuance of the position, and then start to explain what could be bad if this happens, and what could be good if that happens. 0.91
00:44:14.000 MMA's a color medium.
00:44:17.000 Jeff Blatnick, who I love.
00:44:19.000 Love Jeff Blatnick.
00:44:20.000 I thought he was great as a wrestler.
00:44:21.000 He was a great guy, too.
00:44:22.000 Great human being.
00:44:25.000 When he started doing color commentary for the UFC, it became a color medium just because if you watch boxing, my mom knows what's happening in a boxing match.
00:44:34.000 They would ask Emmanuel Stewart little stuff, or it was George Foreman for a while at HBO, and But the play-by-play guy, that's the voice of HBO, is Jim Lampley, basically.
00:44:46.000 With MMA, color guys have to talk a lot more because there's a lot more the audience doesn't know.
00:44:50.000 The audience has never done jiu-jitsu.
00:44:52.000 The audience has never done Muay Thai.
00:44:54.000 The audience knows boxing a little bit.
00:44:55.000 They've never wrestled.
00:44:56.000 So there's so many facets that the fans have just never been a part of.
00:45:00.000 That we have to break down and explain.
00:45:02.000 And I think it's made it...
00:45:03.000 The color guys have to do a lot more in MMA than they do in boxing. 0.99
00:45:07.000 A lot more.
00:45:07.000 Yes.
00:45:08.000 It's a completely different gig.
00:45:10.000 And it's also a gig that would be really cumbersome with a bunch of people talking.
00:45:15.000 Yeah.
00:45:15.000 If you had like three or four people in the booth.
00:45:17.000 We've done three in the UFC before, but it didn't work that well.
00:45:20.000 And Dana didn't like it, and so they went back to two.
00:45:23.000 It's brief.
00:45:23.000 Yeah.
00:45:24.000 The times I've done it in Bellator, they'll have somebody jump in for a round or two.
00:45:27.000 Yeah, I think what would be cool is a guy doing the Harold Letterman gig, though, that Eddie Bravo used to do.
00:45:27.000 Yeah.
00:45:34.000 Eddie's too busy these days, he wouldn't do it, but someone who's a real experienced guy, that would be a good thing to do, to have a Dominic Cruz or someone along that lines.
00:45:45.000 Who's really good at breaking things down.
00:45:47.000 It's very analytical.
00:45:48.000 I think it would help.
00:45:50.000 Give people some insight.
00:45:51.000 And also give some insight as to really what's wrong with the scoring.
00:45:55.000 You could see.
00:45:56.000 If you get a real expert, it breaks down exactly what they thought about each individual aspect of the fight.
00:46:01.000 And then you see, in contrast, how shitty the judges' perceptions of the fight were. 1.00
00:46:06.000 I'd probably say sign me up, but I'd probably say some stupid shit. 1.00
00:46:08.000 You would definitely say some stupid shit. 1.00
00:46:09.000 I would say some dumb shit. 1.00
00:46:12.000 Well, you know what I like? 0.99
00:46:13.000 I like that Josh Barnett has a blog now, or has a podcast now.
00:46:17.000 I think you'd be great at something like that too, man.
00:46:20.000 We've thought about it.
00:46:21.000 I've had a few people kind of hit me up about it.
00:46:23.000 We have a business called Direct Endorsement, where we do...
00:46:27.000 Live streaming only for an hour, and we take an athlete, not just fighting, but fighting, skateboarding, motocross, whatever it is.
00:46:33.000 They pick a charity, we pick a product, say it's this mug.
00:46:37.000 Everyone buys the mug.
00:46:39.000 As we're doing the podcast, that person's signing while we're talking, asking questions.
00:46:44.000 We get into what the charity is, and it's just, you know, like...
00:46:48.000 Whatever percentage they want, usually 20% goes to the charity they pick.
00:46:52.000 Oh, that's very cool.
00:46:53.000 It's a cool little thing.
00:46:54.000 We only had three of them.
00:46:55.000 We did myself, we did Greg Lutzka for skateboarding, and Kyle Loza for motocross.
00:47:00.000 And we'd like to get on the ball and start doing more.
00:47:02.000 We might do Donald Logue for acting, and just to hit different surfaces, just because I don't really hang out with fighters that much.
00:47:12.000 Yeah, that's interesting.
00:47:13.000 So you only hang out with fighters when you're training, when you get outside of training...
00:47:17.000 Yeah, I mean, realistically, I only hang out with people at the gym.
00:47:20.000 If I'm not at the gym, I'm at home with my kid.
00:47:22.000 But a lot of people that are fighters find that they're the only people that understand them.
00:47:27.000 That other fighters, like, it's such a crazy lifestyle.
00:47:30.000 The training is so brutal.
00:47:32.000 It's almost like you need someone to commiserate with.
00:47:34.000 Or you need someone who understands what you're going through.
00:47:37.000 You don't feel like that?
00:47:39.000 I do, but I don't want to talk about it. 0.89
00:47:42.000 I want to just fucking forget about it. 0.59
00:47:43.000 I want to hang out with my kid and my girlfriend and her kid. 0.99
00:47:48.000 Not have to worry about the fucking misery that I put myself through. 0.99
00:47:52.000 For greatness, you know? 1.00
00:47:52.000 Right. 1.00
00:47:53.000 It's a lot of fun.
00:47:54.000 I love my job, don't get me wrong, but I usually don't want to talk about it, you know, unless it's something like this.
00:47:59.000 So you preserve your interest in it. 0.97
00:48:02.000 Yeah, because otherwise, you know, I've been watching more fights lately now that me and my dad live together, and that's fucking all he does. 0.97
00:48:10.000 My daughter loves watching fights. 1.00
00:48:11.000 That's hilarious.
00:48:12.000 A two-and-a-half-year-old loves watching fights.
00:48:14.000 And she sees, you know, Uncle Shane's on the TV, you know, this person's on the TV, there's Romy, there's, you know, Coach or whatever.
00:48:19.000 Wow.
00:48:19.000 It's just cute, so...
00:48:20.000 That is cute.
00:48:22.000 When you're in between camps, say after a fight, and you don't have anything scheduled for a while, how much time do you spend training and working on things, and how much is just decompressing?
00:48:33.000 I live a very active lifestyle.
00:48:35.000 Everything I do is outdoors.
00:48:38.000 I'm in Tahoe, Reno a lot.
00:48:40.000 It's high altitude, so we're always going on hikes, and I'm always doing high-altitude Bikram with my girlfriend.
00:48:46.000 And we just... 0.98
00:48:47.000 She doesn't let me fucking sit still. 1.00
00:48:49.000 Like, she always has something to do with the kids or with me and her or fucking... 0.99
00:48:54.000 Even if we're traveling, like, went to Costa Rica for a surf trip. 0.99
00:48:57.000 So we surfed and went jungle hiking and tried to find fucking sloths and monkeys and shit. 0.98
00:49:01.000 You know, so it's like... 0.99
00:49:03.000 It keeps my attention going and I'm always fit, you know?
00:49:06.000 That's cool.
00:49:07.000 That's a cool vacation.
00:49:08.000 Yeah.
00:49:09.000 Except for the diseases and the bugs that can kill you.
00:49:11.000 See any of those?
00:49:12.000 Oh, everything wants to kill you down there. 1.00
00:49:14.000 Everything in Costa Rica wants to kill you, right? 0.97
00:49:16.000 I mean, it's not like, you go to Hawaii, like, I went to Hilo, I hung out with BJ, and we went to Waipio.
00:49:16.000 Yeah.
00:49:20.000 I'm looking around like...
00:49:21.000 Where's your bugs? 0.99
00:49:22.000 Yeah, well, there's fucking mosquitoes, but besides that, I'm like, there's nothing here that wants to kill me? 0.99
00:49:27.000 Even the mosquitoes, I think, came from people. 0.99
00:49:30.000 They brought them over on boats and shit, you know? 0.96
00:49:32.000 He's like, no, bro, he's cool. 0.85
00:49:33.000 You know, we're just gonna hang out and, you know, farm some taro.
00:49:37.000 Like, okay.
00:49:38.000 BJ's been there his whole life and still trains there.
00:49:42.000 Yeah, we finished building the gym in Waipio, his little dojo.
00:49:42.000 That's crazy.
00:49:47.000 I call him my Miyagi.
00:49:49.000 And then he, one morning, like, woke up.
00:49:51.000 He's like, hey, bro.
00:49:52.000 I want to go bless the gym.
00:49:54.000 He's like, yeah. 1.00
00:49:55.000 He's like, all right, grab your shit. 1.00
00:49:56.000 Let's go. 1.00
00:49:57.000 We just fucking drove to YPO and it's got a little shitty old truck he doesn't care about and drives it through the river and it's got no sound. 0.99
00:50:05.000 Electrical's been shorted so it's no radio or anything. 0.99
00:50:08.000 He just drives through the most fucking beautiful country you can and then we go in there and we just beat the shit out of each other. 0.97
00:50:15.000 For, you know, half an hour. 0.99
00:50:16.000 We had some shirtless fucking hippie dude doing the time for us. 0.99
00:50:20.000 Oh, that's hilarious. 0.99
00:50:21.000 He used to, like, wrestle in high school.
00:50:22.000 He was all stocky.
00:50:23.000 He said, okay, can you just tell us when five minutes is up?
00:50:25.000 Okay, ready, go.
00:50:26.000 How many people live in Hilo?
00:50:28.000 Oh, I have no idea.
00:50:29.000 Not that many, right?
00:50:29.000 Not that many.
00:50:30.000 Like 30,000 or something crazy?
00:50:32.000 Because just the Big Island itself, not a lot of people live in the Big Island.
00:50:32.000 Probably.
00:50:35.000 No, and the Big Island's fucking huge. 0.98
00:50:37.000 Yeah, I think the Big Island only has 100,000 people on it. 0.98
00:50:40.000 Probably.
00:50:41.000 It's desolate, and on the Big Island alone, there's like...
00:50:46.000 Every single climate in the world, except for one or two, there's so much going on there. 0.96
00:50:53.000 It's so fucking beautiful. 0.55
00:50:54.000 You feel like you're in Jurassic Park. 0.98
00:50:55.000 Yeah.
00:50:56.000 Especially getting to hang out with him. 1.00
00:50:58.000 He's a fucking savage, man. 1.00
00:50:59.000 It's a good time. 1.00
00:51:00.000 What do you think about this fight with him and Frankie Edgar?
00:51:04.000 Like I said, when I was out there, this was a while ago, two months ago or something, he was 160 pounds.
00:51:09.000 I got tired first. 0.98
00:51:11.000 And I don't get fucking tired. 0.97
00:51:13.000 I mean, granted, I just tore my hip and my groin, but I still don't get tired much, and I still stayed in shape. 0.98
00:51:20.000 And, I mean, he fucking... 0.97
00:51:22.000 He was going after me for half an hour. 0.99
00:51:25.000 Wow. 0.99
00:51:26.000 And I was just like, after, I was like, wow, I'm fucking... 0.97
00:51:27.000 I'm excited because it's my favorite fighter of all time. 0.99
00:51:31.000 I mean, he's a fucking savage. 1.00
00:51:32.000 When you can make another man cry, another man who deserves a title shot at your title, you can beat him up so bad that he cries, and then you fucking lick his blood off your gloves and bang your head after her. 1.00
00:51:43.000 Like, I like you. 0.99
00:51:44.000 Oh, the Joe Stevenson fight.
00:51:45.000 The problem is, and I'm throwing the counter here, Yeah.
00:51:53.000 Yeah.
00:52:02.000 Yeah.
00:52:13.000 Then he's got a great shot.
00:52:15.000 The same Frankie Edgar always shows up.
00:52:18.000 Consistent.
00:52:19.000 So consistent.
00:52:20.000 BJ was so good when he was with the Marinovichs.
00:52:20.000 So hard.
00:52:23.000 When he fought Diego Sanchez, he was in incredible shape. 0.99
00:52:26.000 He had a fucking full six-pack. 0.99
00:52:28.000 I mean, he was in shape. 0.99
00:52:29.000 And chasing after Diego deep into the fight.
00:52:32.000 Fourth and fifth round.
00:52:33.000 Head kicked him. 0.97
00:52:35.000 Sliced him open.
00:52:36.000 That was the only time BJ's ever thrown a head kick in a fight. 0.99
00:52:38.000 Yeah, it fucking landed perfectly. 0.99
00:52:39.000 Perfectly. 0.98
00:52:40.000 You know, I mean, that was him at his best because he had tremendous stamina.
00:52:45.000 Do you know what he's doing now for strength and conditioning?
00:52:47.000 Farming.
00:52:49.000 Yeah.
00:52:50.000 Farming?
00:52:51.000 I was like, what are we doing?
00:52:52.000 We're gonna go farm.
00:52:53.000 Manual labor. 1.00
00:52:54.000 I don't need fucking strength and conditioning. 1.00
00:52:56.000 What? 1.00
00:52:56.000 We don't need strength and conditioning? 1.00
00:52:58.000 Did you really say that? 1.00
00:52:58.000 So we just built roads in YPO and fucking farm tarot and beat the shit out of each other. 1.00
00:53:04.000 Built roads? 0.99
00:53:05.000 We built like a fucking, and like, with like a Unimog, you know, like Mercedes Unimogs, you can put a fucking ditch digger on the back and like... 0.99
00:53:13.000 No, I don't know what a Unimog is. 1.00
00:53:15.000 Unimog's a big, like a tractor kind of vehicle, big Mercedes Unimog.
00:53:18.000 He's got three of them out there.
00:53:20.000 He has a farm?
00:53:21.000 Yeah, he's got a farm. 0.99
00:53:22.000 And you go into White Peel Valley, and not even 100 people live there, and it's this huge fucking Garden of Eden.
00:53:29.000 I mean, it's massive, and it's so beautiful, and just there's nothing there. 0.89
00:53:33.000 Is he growing weed?
00:53:34.000 I wish.
00:53:36.000 What's he farming?
00:53:37.000 Tarot.
00:53:38.000 You know, if you say it quietly into a mic, they can still hear you.
00:53:41.000 It makes no difference.
00:53:43.000 What is Tarot again?
00:53:46.000 Tarot is...
00:53:46.000 They're trying to make the Hawaiian superfood, a taro root, and it's a really starchy vegetable that, you know, that's why Hawaiians punch so hard.
00:53:55.000 That's what they tell me.
00:53:56.000 From taro?
00:53:57.000 Yeah, my first fight was in Hawaii.
00:53:59.000 I've never heard of taro before.
00:54:01.000 How have I never heard of this before? 0.99
00:54:02.000 It tastes like bland as fuck, put sugar in it, and it tastes like sugar, but it's supposed to give you superpowers. 0.99
00:54:11.000 I've had it before. 0.99
00:54:12.000 I don't remember where, but I've had it before.
00:54:14.000 What's your impression of it?
00:54:15.000 It's like a more bland kind of yam, is the best way to describe it.
00:54:20.000 But it's soupy, like goat gooey.
00:54:20.000 Huh.
00:54:23.000 Huh.
00:54:24.000 It's weird.
00:54:24.000 I had it mashed up with something.
00:54:26.000 It was like a taro kind of stew.
00:54:28.000 Is it supposed to be good for you?
00:54:29.000 And there's taro, yeah, it looks like a yam.
00:54:32.000 It's supposed to be good for you. 0.98
00:54:33.000 It's fucking weird and purple. 0.99
00:54:35.000 That's a Unimog too for you. 0.99
00:54:36.000 That's a Unimog. 0.62
00:54:37.000 Oh, okay.
00:54:38.000 So, the local Hawaiian...
00:54:40.000 Does anybody else eat it?
00:54:41.000 Is it anything that, like...
00:54:42.000 You know, everybody's eating, like, bok choy now is the new kale.
00:54:46.000 Everybody's telling you, you gotta get a hold of some bok choy. 1.00
00:54:48.000 Everybody eats poi in Hawaii.
00:54:50.000 Yeah? 1.00
00:54:51.000 But, you know, Hawaiians are fucking... 1.00
00:54:53.000 They believe in, like, mermaids and shit, bro. 1.00
00:54:54.000 They're fucking... 1.00
00:54:55.000 They're crazy. 1.00
00:54:57.000 They're crazy, crazy people. 1.00
00:54:58.000 I can't believe in mermaids and shit. 1.00
00:55:00.000 And I love them to death. 1.00
00:55:01.000 I love Hawaiians.
00:55:01.000 Don't get me wrong.
00:55:02.000 I do, too. 0.99
00:55:03.000 They're my favorite fucking people on the planet. 0.99
00:55:04.000 Like... 0.99
00:55:05.000 That's the only place I vacationed. 1.00
00:55:06.000 I lived with two fucking Hawaiians. 0.99
00:55:08.000 I lived with Shane and Rich. 1.00
00:55:10.000 Rich, he used to run Strikeforce.
00:55:12.000 He was the matchmaker for Strikeforce. 1.00
00:55:14.000 And they're both fucking Hawaiian. 1.00
00:55:16.000 I don't know. 1.00
00:55:17.000 I just really like fucking Hawaiians. 0.99
00:55:18.000 I tried vacationing other places. 1.00
00:55:20.000 I'm like, this isn't as good as Hawaii. 0.96
00:55:21.000 Why the fuck am I going anywhere where Hawaii is right there? 0.98
00:55:23.000 Just going to Hawaii. 0.98
00:55:25.000 Well, it's kind of cheap.
00:55:25.000 It's cheap.
00:55:26.000 It's still America, but it's not. 0.94
00:55:27.000 You know?
00:55:28.000 It's like, you're protected by the Constitution, allegedly.
00:55:31.000 Go to BJ's, and have him take you to YPO, and you feel like you're in French Polynesia or something, because the people talking, you're just like, oh, me, Tinkum, go buy some fish, you know, walk around, smoke some weed, bro, it's cool.
00:55:42.000 And you're like, what did he just say? 0.99
00:55:44.000 What the fuck did you say to me? 0.99
00:55:46.000 The phrase book. 1.00
00:55:47.000 That pigeon way of talking, right? 1.00
00:55:48.000 And then BJ starts rattling off stuff, and then you start drinking, you know, like homemade sake down in the valley, and then you just, it just turns into a Grime, man.
00:55:57.000 Yeah.
00:55:57.000 Choked food.
00:55:58.000 Are you saying?
00:55:58.000 What?
00:56:00.000 Choked, man.
00:56:00.000 Choked food.
00:56:01.000 How am I supposed to fucking make weight with this? 0.99
00:56:02.000 This is delicious, but it's not on my diet. 0.98
00:56:05.000 Yeah, I remember one of the countdown shows.
00:56:07.000 BJ, when he was...
00:56:09.000 He had apparently burned off too many calories, he said, so it's time to load up.
00:56:13.000 So we had one of those loco moco burgers with an egg on it and everything. 0.99
00:56:17.000 And you get fucking... 0.99
00:56:18.000 Get your mac salad and your chicken katsu or whatever. 1.00
00:56:24.000 They are island people. 1.00
00:56:27.000 They're fucking crazy. 1.00
00:56:28.000 It's just so entertaining to hang out with them. 1.00
00:56:30.000 I just go out there and I'm like, what are we doing today?
00:56:33.000 Do you think you could live there though?
00:56:34.000 Yeah, but like BJ, I want to move to Reno.
00:56:37.000 You know, that's pretty...
00:56:38.000 You might be the only guy on the planet that wants to move to Reno.
00:56:42.000 I've never heard, I want to move to Reno.
00:56:44.000 I've never heard that expression in my life.
00:56:46.000 You've got to see the new Reno.
00:56:47.000 In my life.
00:56:48.000 My girlfriend's there.
00:56:49.000 I want to move to Reno. 0.99
00:56:49.000 And it's fucking... 0.99
00:56:51.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:56:51.000 Your girlfriend lives there? 0.99
00:56:52.000 Oh, okay.
00:56:52.000 Well, then I would move.
00:56:54.000 But it's, you know, it's wilderness enough where you fucking see Nevada, parts of Nevada, and you're like, where the fuck am I? Right, yeah. 0.99
00:56:54.000 I get that. 0.99
00:57:01.000 There's parts of Nevada where they have crazy elk hunting, where they're bugling elks, and you hear these elks, like fucking 1,200-pound beasts, come rolling over the hill, 30 and 40 of them at a time. 0.97
00:57:10.000 Her cousins are all trappers and hunters out there. 0.90
00:57:13.000 They're like the two of the best young guys out there.
00:57:14.000 Isn't that funny that people don't think about that when they think of Nevada?
00:57:17.000 You think of only Vegas and then nuclear waste. 0.99
00:57:19.000 The Safari Club is the biggest fucking hunting club in the world. 0.99
00:57:22.000 Incredible nature out in Nevada. 0.99
00:57:24.000 Yeah.
00:57:24.000 Especially up near Lake Tahoe.
00:57:26.000 Tahoe, it's fucking 7,000 feet. 0.99
00:57:29.000 And you go hiking and you go running and do whatever the fuck you want to do, you get in shape quick. 0.98
00:57:34.000 Yeah, and it's just beautiful too. 0.94
00:57:36.000 It's inspiring how beautiful it is, man.
00:57:38.000 My grandparents have a spot right on the lake down there, and it's fucking incredible.
00:57:43.000 I mean, it is so nice.
00:57:45.000 And, you know, I just pull into grandpa's yard and go down on the dock and just like, oh.
00:57:49.000 And plus, you know, my girlfriend, she's the face of Harrison Harvey's up there.
00:57:52.000 What is that?
00:57:53.000 She's the big hotels up there. 1.00
00:57:55.000 Oh, I see, I see. 0.99
00:57:56.000 They pay her to just fucking stand around. 1.00
00:57:58.000 Oh, that's cool. 0.99
00:57:59.000 So, it's a sweet gig.
00:58:01.000 Yeah, it doesn't suck.
00:58:02.000 Isn't it all methed out up there, though?
00:58:04.000 Isn't Reno kind of methed out? 1.00
00:58:05.000 There's parts of Reno that are shit, don't get me wrong. 0.99
00:58:07.000 There is Reno 911 there, but if you go to the river... 0.99
00:58:10.000 Without the madcap hilarity, like...
00:58:13.000 The free fun. 0.75
00:58:14.000 If you go to the free fun, like the river, and people have blow-up mattresses going down and shit, but if you can just, you know, say that's hilarious, and then kind of, you know, have your own life. 0.91
00:58:22.000 Do your own thing. 0.83
00:58:23.000 I just like seclusion.
00:58:24.000 I'm becoming more secluded.
00:58:26.000 And again, back to like BJ has, he'll go stir crazy and then he'll go train over here or he'll go train in Brazil.
00:58:31.000 And he gets away and you get away from your family and kids.
00:58:34.000 Yeah.
00:58:34.000 Right.
00:58:35.000 Yeah.
00:58:36.000 I think that also, too, you live in a place in Orange County that is super congested.
00:58:41.000 There's so many people down there.
00:58:42.000 Yeah, I hate it.
00:58:43.000 Yeah, I'm not a fan of that either.
00:58:45.000 When you go somewhere else, take a place like Reno, especially near Tahoe, where it's just all nature and beautiful, and you feel like you relax.
00:58:57.000 You're not stuck in traffic for 20 minutes.
00:58:59.000 You're going to go two miles in 20 minutes. 0.99
00:59:02.000 If you're in Vegas and you're trying to go down the strip and you're trying to go from one end of the strip to the other end on a Friday night, good fucking luck. 0.98
00:59:12.000 It might take you You know, hours. 0.96
00:59:15.000 And that's every day in Orange County.
00:59:17.000 Every day.
00:59:18.000 I mean, you can get traffic in Orange County at 4 o'clock in the morning.
00:59:21.000 You can somehow or another run into traffic.
00:59:23.000 That's why I got here an hour early.
00:59:24.000 You never know. 0.97
00:59:25.000 I was in fucking Irvine and I'm like, oh, I gotta go now. 0.98
00:59:28.000 You never know. 0.97
00:59:31.000 Yeah, when I texted you, I think it was like 2 in the afternoon.
00:59:33.000 I'm like, I wonder if that's enough time for him to get out here.
00:59:35.000 Yeah, seriously. 1.00
00:59:36.000 It's so fucking stupid. 1.00
00:59:38.000 So you go to a place like Reno and you feel that nature and you go, I could live like this though. 1.00
00:59:43.000 I got a fucking hot girlfriend. 0.99
00:59:43.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:59:47.000 I got, you know, she got a cute kid.
00:59:49.000 I got a cute kid.
00:59:50.000 And cost of living is super low.
00:59:52.000 And all I need is a nice little all-wheel drive, you know, Subaru or something. 0.98
00:59:56.000 Or Audi and just hit that fucking Kingsbury grade. 0.99
01:00:01.000 You know? 0.99
01:00:02.000 Would you train up there?
01:00:04.000 Yeah, I would do my training camps down in Orange County still.
01:00:08.000 But if I could just get away and...
01:00:10.000 I mean, there is gyms up there.
01:00:12.000 Is there high-level gyms?
01:00:15.000 There's Reno or Nevada Muay Thai, which is, I think, the best gym up there.
01:00:19.000 And they have Charles Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.
01:00:22.000 So they got some good black belts.
01:00:23.000 Oh, that's nice.
01:00:24.000 And that's all in Reno?
01:00:25.000 How many people live in Reno?
01:00:25.000 Yeah.
01:00:27.000 It's getting bigger, and the food's getting really good.
01:00:31.000 Really?
01:00:33.000 My girlfriend, like I said, is kind of the face of the area, and she's always around other hot... 0.98
01:00:37.000 That's what I get to see.
01:00:38.000 I get to see hot women all the time, because she runs a promotional company. 1.00
01:00:42.000 This is all kind of coming together slowly.
01:00:43.000 See, it all makes sense.
01:00:44.000 I get it.
01:00:44.000 Now I understand.
01:00:45.000 I want to move to Reno.
01:00:46.000 I didn't get it. 1.00
01:00:47.000 The caliber of ass that comes out of even her little town of Minden is fucking incredible. 1.00
01:00:51.000 I'm like, wow, this place is great. 1.00
01:00:52.000 That's interesting.
01:00:53.000 Because I think of...
01:00:55.000 It's biased, of course, but I think...
01:00:57.000 I've never been to Reno, but I think of Reno...
01:00:59.000 I might have been to Reno, but I don't remember it. 0.85
01:01:00.000 But I think of Doug Stanhope recorded his CD there once, because Doug likes to go to fucked up places and record things.
01:01:06.000 He did one of them in Oslo, Norway. 0.99
01:01:09.000 I don't know why the fuck he did that. 0.97
01:01:11.000 They barely even understood what he was saying. 0.99
01:01:13.000 Yeah.
01:01:14.000 But he recorded his first CD in Reno, and the voice, that's chalked off on a list of places I don't need to go to.
01:01:22.000 I listen to that CD, I'm like, yeah, I don't need to go there.
01:01:25.000 It's changed very recently where it's becoming cool. 0.99
01:01:28.000 It's becoming kind of Portland-ish, but minus the fucking douchey, let's save the world kind of shit. 0.99
01:01:32.000 When did that happen? 0.99
01:01:34.000 Recently, super recently.
01:01:35.000 How many years?
01:01:36.000 Past five years, maybe.
01:01:38.000 What caused it?
01:01:40.000 People probably realized. 0.98
01:01:41.000 People realize that we're fucking everything up, and we're douchebags, and everyone's like, okay, but it's just so outdoorsy, and it's still got the fucking casinos, and they're starting to become nicer. 0.98
01:01:52.000 But there's always something going on. 0.97
01:01:54.000 The only other guy I know that lives in Reno is my friend Remy.
01:01:58.000 There's a show called Solo Hunters, where he goes hunting by himself.
01:02:02.000 He's a guide, and he's kind of a famous hunter, and he goes by himself.
01:02:09.000 And just brings, like, these cameras and GoPros and shit and films everything and then edits it all together. 0.96
01:02:14.000 These crazy, crazy hunts that he goes on. 1.00
01:02:16.000 I want to kill something with a sword. 0.99
01:02:18.000 That is possible, but not likely. 0.99
01:02:20.000 You're really good with a sword?
01:02:21.000 I got a black belt in Sansu when I was younger.
01:02:21.000 Yes.
01:02:23.000 Kung Fu Sansu.
01:02:24.000 Oh, really?
01:02:25.000 I was just good with weapons. 1.00
01:02:26.000 It was all, like, flight strokes and groin shit. 0.99
01:02:28.000 And, like, I was just good with a weapon. 0.98
01:02:30.000 Have you ever, like, put on the kendo gear and done that?
01:02:33.000 No.
01:02:33.000 That looks fun.
01:02:34.000 That does look cool. 0.99
01:02:35.000 Beat the shit out of each other with pillows on your body. 0.98
01:02:38.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:02:38.000 Well, I think it looks like... 0.99
01:02:39.000 Oh, you're thinking of kendo sticks?
01:02:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:02:42.000 David Lee Roth moved to Japan and he practices kendo all day.
01:02:45.000 He does kendo every day.
01:02:47.000 Well, it's because he's David Lee Roth. 0.94
01:02:48.000 He's a gangster. 0.99
01:02:49.000 He's fucking awesome. 1.00
01:02:50.000 Diamond Dave, dude. 1.00
01:02:51.000 Fucking high kicking and shit. 1.00
01:02:53.000 Took his dog. 1.00
01:02:53.000 Yeah, took his dog. 1.00
01:02:55.000 Got on a fucking plane at like, what, 60? 1.00
01:02:57.000 Is he 60? 1.00
01:02:58.000 Moved to fucking Japan and he's taking kendo lessons. 1.00
01:03:01.000 Under some great fucking samurai warrior character. 1.00
01:03:05.000 They tried to do it for Fight Quest. 0.98
01:03:07.000 That was one of the ones that they tried to do, and apparently the association is unbelievably strict.
01:03:12.000 It isn't like, oh, we have our kendo school, we do what we want.
01:03:12.000 Really?
01:03:14.000 No, it's like the hierarchy is very, very rigid, and they were like, no fucker. 1.00
01:03:18.000 I just want a pig to run at me and just... 1.00
01:03:20.000 And then just have it slide. 0.91
01:03:22.000 Yeah, that was... 0.61
01:03:23.000 You do not want a pig to run at you.
01:03:25.000 That is the last thing you want. 1.00
01:03:25.000 Those motherfuckers. 1.00
01:03:26.000 When we were at Tejon Ranch when I was pig hunting, they had a skull from this one really big boar that they killed. 1.00
01:03:33.000 It was a 450-pound boar. 0.99
01:03:35.000 And the fucking teeth were like two fingers, and they were sticking out like this, these tusks. 1.00
01:03:40.000 And they would tell you that they would run by you. 1.00
01:03:43.000 They just run at you and literally tear at the side of you with these tusks.
01:03:48.000 They use these tusks almost like as...
01:03:49.000 You remember those carts, those chariots that used to have those wheels with the blades sticking off of them?
01:03:54.000 That's what the hogs do. 1.00
01:03:55.000 They run by you and just slice you up. 1.00
01:03:56.000 Those things will fuck you up. 1.00
01:03:57.000 They will fuck you up. 0.99
01:03:59.000 I'm rethinking my idea. 1.00
01:04:00.000 Yeah, you don't want a sword.
01:04:02.000 Always best with a rifle. 0.99
01:04:03.000 Yeah, rifle's the move for pig. 1.00
01:04:05.000 Bone arrow's good, but... 0.55
01:04:06.000 There's a very small window to get a boar with a bone arrow on this. 1.00
01:04:10.000 Jared Allen with a fucking spear? 1.00
01:04:11.000 Very difficult. 1.00
01:04:12.000 Well, they have difficult organs to reach, and they also have an incredibly dense upper body.
01:04:17.000 Like, their upper body, the thick skin around their neck and cape...
01:04:22.000 It literally is like some sort of a shield that they're wearing.
01:04:26.000 When I was in camp, I killed a female pig, but there was a guy there that killed a big boar.
01:04:32.000 And they were explaining to me, this is why shot placement is critical when it comes to archery.
01:04:37.000 And it was like a saddle.
01:04:37.000 Like, touch this.
01:04:39.000 Like a horse saddle.
01:04:41.000 That's what it felt like around the neck. 1.00
01:04:42.000 Because they're constantly cutting each other up and fucking each other up. 1.00
01:04:46.000 So they have this thick meat all around their body. 0.99
01:04:48.000 Can you eat that meat, or is that just the shoe? 1.00
01:04:50.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00
01:04:51.000 Well, the pork is very good. 1.00
01:04:53.000 I love wild boar.
01:04:55.000 That's awesome.
01:04:56.000 Especially smoked.
01:04:57.000 I smoked a ham, and I'm telling you, it was one of the best things I've ever eaten.
01:05:00.000 It was delicious.
01:05:01.000 And super healthy.
01:05:02.000 Much healthier than a pig that you'd get in a grocery store. 0.89
01:05:05.000 Because these pigs are just eating acorns, and they're running around. 0.62
01:05:08.000 They're real muscular, so it's like a dense, rich, dark protein.
01:05:12.000 Super good for you, man. 1.00
01:05:13.000 Their meat's all oxygenated and fucking... 0.99
01:05:16.000 If you wind up going up to Reno, you'll get a lot of elk. 0.99
01:05:18.000 There's a lot of elk up in Reno.
01:05:19.000 There's a lot of people that have a lot of hunters up there.
01:05:22.000 I'm sure you can probably buy it up there too. 0.98
01:05:24.000 Yeah, I would want to go kill it myself. 0.98
01:05:26.000 I would just go with my girlfriend's cousins. 0.99
01:05:29.000 That's their thing.
01:05:31.000 One of them took me fishing over the winter out to the rivers.
01:05:34.000 He's like, yeah, throw it there.
01:05:35.000 And I missed.
01:05:36.000 No, no, no, throw it right there. 1.00
01:05:37.000 And I missed again.
01:05:38.000 He's like, give me that.
01:05:39.000 Threw it right in the spot and caught a fish.
01:05:40.000 Did he see it or did he just know where the pool was?
01:05:42.000 He saw it.
01:05:43.000 And we're driving by and we're driving from the highway and it's 100 feet down to see the river.
01:05:47.000 And he's like, oh, you see the fish coming up?
01:05:49.000 I'm like, no, man.
01:05:50.000 He's driving?
01:05:51.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:05:51.000 We're driving straight into the road, bitch! 1.00
01:05:53.000 He's like, you see that? 1.00
01:05:53.000 Seriously. 1.00
01:05:54.000 I'm like, I don't fucking... 1.00
01:05:54.000 Get your fucking eyes off the river. 1.00
01:05:56.000 I'm like, I don't know, man. 1.00
01:05:57.000 So we went down there, and he just...
01:05:59.000 Wherever he tells you to put it, if you can... 1.00
01:06:00.000 Once you land it in that exact spot, you pull in a fucking fish. 0.99
01:06:04.000 I'm like, how many times have you caught that fish? 0.99
01:06:06.000 He'll look at it and be like, maybe not this one.
01:06:08.000 I don't know.
01:06:08.000 He's like, I've seen fish with talon marks on them that I've caught before.
01:06:12.000 Talon marks from an eagle?
01:06:13.000 Yeah.
01:06:14.000 Is there eagles up in Rio? 1.00
01:06:15.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 0.99
01:06:16.000 There's a bunch up there in that area. 1.00
01:06:17.000 Wow.
01:06:18.000 I've seen like 10 in one spot in Tahoe. 0.99
01:06:20.000 No shit. 0.97
01:06:21.000 Like I said, my grandparents have had spots all over the lake, but like right on the lake. 0.99
01:06:25.000 So you just sit in their backyard in the winter, especially because it's all white. 0.99
01:06:29.000 You can just see these big fucking birds. 0.99
01:06:30.000 I saw my first live eagle last summer in Alaska. 1.00
01:06:33.000 Really?
01:06:34.000 Incredible.
01:06:34.000 It's incredible.
01:06:35.000 Alaska's fucking amazing. 0.98
01:06:36.000 It flew over our boat. 0.98
01:06:37.000 Me and my friend Ari Shafir, we went up there fishing and we did a gig up there. 0.98
01:06:41.000 Fucking had a great time. 0.99
01:06:42.000 But when we were taking the boat to the spot on the river, this fucking eagle flew over our head. 1.00
01:06:48.000 This huge eagle just... 1.00
01:06:52.000 Big ass fucking legs and shit tucked up. 1.00
01:06:55.000 Big fucking talons. 1.00
01:06:56.000 They're gigantic, man. 1.00
01:06:57.000 They're such big birds, man. 1.00
01:06:58.000 About to fucking snatch you up and take you home. 1.00
01:07:00.000 Just looking for the same shit I'm looking for. 1.00
01:07:02.000 Trying to steal some salmon. 1.00
01:07:03.000 Yep.
01:07:04.000 But they're so big.
01:07:05.000 And there's so many of them.
01:07:06.000 You see them up there.
01:07:07.000 The people say they're like pigeons.
01:07:08.000 They think of them as like pigeons.
01:07:10.000 A nuisance bird? 1.00
01:07:11.000 Fucking eagles. 1.00
01:07:11.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:07:13.000 God damn it. 1.00
01:07:14.000 God damn it. 1.00
01:07:14.000 Are national birds a nuisance bird. 1.00
01:07:17.000 That's a problem, too, because if they got so overpopulated, they would never get so overpopulated in America.
01:07:23.000 I mean, Alaska's not really America.
01:07:25.000 It's kind of America, but whatever.
01:07:27.000 Mother Russia? 0.99
01:07:28.000 But if they got down here and they got that overpopulated and they started stealing cats and shit, it would become a real problem. 0.99
01:07:34.000 People might get angry. 0.97
01:07:35.000 That might be an issue.
01:07:36.000 Like the wolves now?
01:07:37.000 Dude, in my neighborhood, I have a problem with owls.
01:07:39.000 I mean, I don't have a problem with owls, but, you know, my cats...
01:07:41.000 But there is an owl problem.
01:07:42.000 There's an owl problem.
01:07:43.000 They'll fuck up some cats. 1.00
01:07:45.000 Like, if you leave your cat outside and an owl catches your cat slipping, you'll kind of fucking swoop down. 0.98
01:07:50.000 Owls, people don't think of owls as being, like, vicious predators. 0.97
01:07:53.000 They are.
01:07:54.000 They're ruthless.
01:07:55.000 All birds are.
01:07:55.000 And they're big.
01:07:57.000 Owls are big. 0.99
01:07:58.000 I had an owl on my back porch. 1.00
01:07:59.000 This motherfucker was three feet tall. 0.99
01:08:01.000 It was like this tall. 1.00
01:08:03.000 It was sitting there. 0.98
01:08:04.000 I'm like, God damn, I didn't know owls were that big. 1.00
01:08:07.000 Creepy fucker with his backwards head. 1.00
01:08:11.000 What else I one time did? 1.00
01:08:12.000 Weird fucking necks. 0.99
01:08:13.000 There was a four foot, four and a half foot raccoon beating the shit out of my sister's dog. 1.00
01:08:17.000 Oh no! 0.99
01:08:18.000 Smacking the shit out of her. 1.00
01:08:20.000 She's yelping. 0.99
01:08:20.000 I'm like... 0.99
01:08:21.000 I had to go out there and save my sister's dog. 1.00
01:08:24.000 Dude, raccoons will fuck you up. 1.00
01:08:25.000 They are fucking huge, dude. 1.00
01:08:27.000 They're fucking vicious. 1.00
01:08:28.000 Have you ever seen that video of Kevin Rose? 1.00
01:08:31.000 He's from...
01:08:32.000 What is he from?
01:08:33.000 Dig.
01:08:34.000 From Dig.
01:08:34.000 He created Dig, and his dog was getting attacked by a raccoon.
01:08:39.000 So he picked the raccoon up, and they got it on security camera, picked the raccoon up, and threw it down a flight of stairs. 0.99
01:08:45.000 But it's pretty fucking gangster, the way he does it. 0.98
01:08:48.000 He grabs the raccoon by its back... 0.99
01:08:50.000 See if you can find it.
01:08:52.000 He's got it.
01:08:53.000 No fear of rabies. 1.00
01:08:55.000 Fuck rabies. 1.00
01:08:56.000 I think he just loved his dog, so he just fucking did it. 1.00
01:08:59.000 He just had to do it. 0.99
01:09:01.000 You had it. 1.00
01:09:04.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
01:09:06.000 He runs up to the raccoon. 1.00
01:09:09.000 Isn't that crazy?
01:09:11.000 Look at him throwing that thing.
01:09:13.000 Look at that thing's leg and it's twirling, too. 1.00
01:09:16.000 He's got the fucking balls, man. 1.00
01:09:17.000 He's got balls, dude, because he didn't try to underhand it. 1.00
01:09:20.000 He brought it behind his head and flew. 1.00
01:09:24.000 He fucking hated that raccoon. 0.98
01:09:26.000 That guy's badass. 1.00
01:09:27.000 They will fuck your pets up if you are not careful. 0.99
01:09:30.000 That is wild, man, that he did that. 1.00
01:09:34.000 Meanwhile, the raccoon probably walked it off like it was nothing.
01:09:38.000 This is my dog Toaster, crying and yelping in pain.
01:09:41.000 I discovered a raccoon attacking him.
01:09:42.000 I do not encourage animal violence.
01:09:44.000 I want to get the wild animals as far away from us as possible.
01:09:47.000 Toaster is okay, but it has some claw and bite marks.
01:09:50.000 There's a dog and the raccoon are going at it, man.
01:09:50.000 Look at it.
01:09:53.000 And he sees that shit, and he just runs up and grabs that motherfucker and whips it! 1.00
01:09:59.000 And he runs after it, too. 1.00
01:10:01.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00
01:10:02.000 Kevin Rose is a bad motherfucker. 1.00
01:10:05.000 That is gangster. 1.00
01:10:06.000 But it looks like he owns a poodle.
01:10:08.000 I'm just going to throw that out there.
01:10:10.000 What are you going to do about that?
01:10:14.000 Throw that out there. 0.72
01:10:15.000 I'm not even sure if he's straight.
01:10:17.000 I'm not even sure if he's straight.
01:10:18.000 So, you know, whatever.
01:10:19.000 Whatever.
01:10:20.000 He went after that raccoon after he threw it. 1.00
01:10:22.000 He's a fucking crazy prick. 1.00
01:10:24.000 That guy's a madman. 1.00
01:10:26.000 I'd take that raccoon and turn him into a hat. 1.00
01:10:29.000 Oh, done deal. 0.99
01:10:29.000 Stomp on his little head. 0.99
01:10:30.000 Dude, my dad's from Kentucky. 0.96
01:10:32.000 He was hunting since he was like three.
01:10:33.000 He's eaten everything there is in the woods.
01:10:36.000 Oh, a million times.
01:10:37.000 Raccoons, squirrels, snakes. 1.00
01:10:39.000 All kinds of shit. 0.99
01:10:41.000 I ate beaver when I was in Wisconsin, and I don't mean what you think. 1.00
01:10:44.000 I was going to say, I ate beaver all the time.
01:10:46.000 Duh.
01:10:47.000 I had a beaver stew.
01:10:50.000 Steve Rinella, he slow simmered a beaver.
01:10:54.000 He caught a beaver, killed it, turned its body into mittens.
01:10:58.000 I saw that on your Instagram.
01:10:59.000 Yeah, that's the same beaver.
01:11:01.000 I ate some of that beaver.
01:11:02.000 It was really delicious.
01:11:03.000 Yeah.
01:11:04.000 Tasted good.
01:11:05.000 Tasted like beef.
01:11:06.000 Like a beef pot roast.
01:11:08.000 That's what it tasted like.
01:11:09.000 Man.
01:11:10.000 The face!
01:11:11.000 I have eaten...
01:11:12.000 No, no, no.
01:11:12.000 I will eat anything.
01:11:13.000 Like, I will eat anything.
01:11:15.000 And...
01:11:16.000 My daddy did eat things that I will not touch.
01:11:20.000 And my mom will eat things. 1.00
01:11:21.000 I have parents that are even worse.
01:11:23.000 I'm known for eating anything.
01:11:25.000 Like Balut in the Philippines. 1.00
01:11:27.000 I've eaten all kinds of shit. 1.00
01:11:28.000 It doesn't bother me. 1.00
01:11:30.000 The only thing I refused to eat was...
01:11:32.000 I drank this whole thing of turtle blood one time.
01:11:34.000 What? 1.00
01:11:35.000 Why the fuck did you drink turtle blood? 1.00
01:11:37.000 It was like a thing for the gym. 1.00
01:11:39.000 When I fought Kyokushin, they said it's a thing in our gym.
01:11:39.000 Really?
01:11:43.000 First, they gave me a curry.
01:11:45.000 It was the hottest thing I've ever eaten, and I like spicy food.
01:11:49.000 It burned...
01:11:51.000 From, like, the moment you could feel where all your intestines were.
01:11:54.000 It went all the way through my intestines, burning everything.
01:11:57.000 And I just kept eating it.
01:11:58.000 And other guys were eating it, and they were meditating.
01:12:01.000 They had towels on their heads, like, blocking out the pain.
01:12:03.000 And they're crying and stuff. 0.95
01:12:04.000 And I'm eating it, and I'm just, man, it's fucking hot. 0.92
01:12:06.000 And I just kept eating it. 1.00
01:12:08.000 And the instructor turns to our translator and goes, oh, that is some shit in Japanese. 0.99
01:12:12.000 And the instructor and the translator turns to me and goes, you're very tough. 0.99
01:12:15.000 A lot of people pass out and have to go to the emergency room.
01:12:18.000 Like, a lot of people die.
01:12:18.000 Ha ha!
01:12:20.000 They're like, what?
01:12:21.000 No, no, no.
01:12:22.000 They have to pump them or they'll die.
01:12:23.000 It starts burning. 0.99
01:12:24.000 And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? 0.99
01:12:26.000 And I finished it. 0.99
01:12:27.000 I ate the thing. 1.00
01:12:28.000 How's your ass? 1.00
01:12:29.000 Oh, man. 1.00
01:12:30.000 Oh, my goodness.
01:12:31.000 I was just...
01:12:35.000 That's a great question.
01:12:36.000 I didn't even think about that.
01:12:37.000 It burned on the way out.
01:12:38.000 A second burn.
01:12:39.000 It didn't burn as bad as it did on the way down.
01:12:41.000 It was burning like, oh, this is uncomfortable. 0.98
01:12:43.000 We're not, oh, shit, I'm in big trouble burning.
01:12:45.000 And then the next night, we went to this old-school sushi place in the middle of Tokyo, and they have a thing where it's like a mug, like a beer stein full of turtle blood. 0.66
01:12:56.000 They have this turtle soup, and they put the blood in this thing.
01:12:59.000 And they usually mix with alcohol, but I don't drink, so they had to mix it with some kind of juice.
01:13:04.000 And they mix it all up and they're like, here you go!
01:13:06.000 And I went, alright.
01:13:07.000 And I drank this whole mug of turtle blood, man.
01:13:09.000 I just chugged it.
01:13:10.000 An entire stein of turtle blood.
01:13:12.000 I chugged the whole thing.
01:13:13.000 How many ounces?
01:13:14.000 Like a beer stein.
01:13:14.000 Like 12, 16?
01:13:17.000 Oh, so like 24. It was a lot.
01:13:19.000 Like a big bulb.
01:13:20.000 Yeah, it was a lot.
01:13:21.000 And I just chugged it, man.
01:13:22.000 I was like, alright, there you go.
01:13:24.000 What did it taste like?
01:13:25.000 It actually wasn't bad.
01:13:26.000 It wasn't that strong, so it tasted like an apple juice or something.
01:13:30.000 So I usually put booze in there and I won't drink.
01:13:32.000 So they had apple juice mixed with the turtle blood.
01:13:36.000 It tasted more like apple juice.
01:13:37.000 So I just drank the whole thing.
01:13:38.000 Oh, so it wasn't bad at all then?
01:13:40.000 To me, no.
01:13:41.000 I didn't think the blood taste was that strong.
01:13:44.000 But I'm sure it would gross out a lot of people when they couldn't get through it.
01:13:46.000 I didn't really care. 1.00
01:13:47.000 Your mouth was still burning from the fucking... 1.00
01:13:49.000 Yeah, from that curry. 1.00
01:13:50.000 I didn't taste shit, man. 0.99
01:13:52.000 That was the deal. 1.00
01:13:53.000 They just hazed us pretty bad on that show.
01:13:55.000 They cut out a lot of it on the show.
01:13:57.000 Why?
01:13:59.000 Because you can only fit so much in the TV show.
01:14:02.000 When I went to Gracie Humata in Brazil, I fought everyone in the room for three and a half hours.
01:14:07.000 Okay, by the time I was done, I was like, they had gear burn all over my face.
01:14:07.000 Whoa.
01:14:12.000 No, we're doing 15 black belts.
01:14:14.000 How many times did you tap?
01:14:16.000 I don't even remember.
01:14:17.000 Because the first 45 minutes, I'm doing fine.
01:14:20.000 And then after that, your body just starts giving out on you and they don't stop.
01:14:26.000 And then I look around and I realize that nobody else is fighting but me.
01:14:29.000 I'm in the middle and they're all waiting on the mat just to face me.
01:14:33.000 And so I'm just riding the snake for three and a half hours. 0.99
01:14:37.000 That is some annoying shit. 0.99
01:14:39.000 When you see a dude sitting there waiting to roll with you, and he's not rolling. 1.00
01:14:43.000 He's waiting for you to get tired.
01:14:44.000 And then as soon as your turn is up, the bell rings, and then he's like, you want to go? 0.95
01:14:48.000 And you're like, what have you been doing for the past fucking ten minutes? 0.96
01:14:51.000 Imagine a whole class full of that guy. 0.98
01:14:53.000 And I mean, like I said, 15 black belts.
01:14:55.000 And it wasn't...
01:14:57.000 I mean, this is the original Gracie Academy. 0.94
01:14:58.000 It wasn't like a bunch of chumps here. 0.99
01:15:00.000 I mean, these guys were amazing. 0.90
01:15:01.000 Then the next day I came in and they did the exact same thing to me.
01:15:01.000 As good as it gets.
01:15:04.000 Oh my goodness.
01:15:05.000 I couldn't...
01:15:06.000 I wasn't moving great by the end of that.
01:15:08.000 And then I got...
01:15:09.000 Not food poisoning.
01:15:11.000 They made me swim out in Ipanema Beach.
01:15:13.000 They won a shot of me swimming.
01:15:15.000 And they said, okay, we want you to swim from here to here.
01:15:17.000 And I went, alright.
01:15:18.000 And then that night, I got sicker than I've ever been in my whole life.
01:15:23.000 The sound guy got sick listening to me puke.
01:15:26.000 He was like, he was holding the mic going, like, he got sick.
01:15:29.000 He literally got sick listening to me get sick. 0.98
01:15:31.000 Because I was shitting and puking and like... 0.94
01:15:34.000 From the water? 0.99
01:15:34.000 In your mouth? 0.99
01:15:35.000 Swimming?
01:15:36.000 They had me swim where the favela runoff goes.
01:15:40.000 Nobody told, like, the producers didn't research anything.
01:15:43.000 They just said, swim from there to there because it would look good.
01:15:45.000 And I went, alright, fine. 0.98
01:15:46.000 Well, when I went back to fucking Brazil, and I went to go, I went, yeah, I swam out there. 0.98
01:15:52.000 And the local looks at me and he goes, you can't swim out there. 0.98
01:15:56.000 That's where the favela runs off.
01:15:58.000 And I went...
01:16:00.000 And they go, no, no, no, you can't swim out there.
01:16:02.000 He goes, American?
01:16:03.000 No, no, no, you can't swim out there.
01:16:04.000 And I'm like, oh, that's why I got so sick! 1.00
01:16:07.000 You swam in favela shit water. 0.99
01:16:10.000 Yeah, and the next day I had to fight the guy for the final fight in Fight Quest. 0.99
01:16:14.000 And I remember standing there and I was so sick that I was...
01:16:19.000 You know how you're so sick you're swaying?
01:16:20.000 Like you can't stand still?
01:16:22.000 And I was swaying around.
01:16:24.000 And because they wanted footage to cut, I fought the guy for 24 hours.
01:16:29.000 24 minutes?
01:16:30.000 Oh my god.
01:16:31.000 I was a pro belt at the time.
01:16:33.000 It wasn't a 7 minute match.
01:16:34.000 They had us do it 3 times.
01:16:36.000 And this guy was like...
01:16:38.000 He was amazing. 1.00
01:16:39.000 Not only was he really good, I was sicker than a goddamn dog. 0.99
01:16:43.000 So it was just terrible. 0.99
01:16:44.000 So that happened a lot.
01:16:45.000 There were a lot of things that just didn't make the cut.
01:16:47.000 That sounds like a better version of the show.
01:16:49.000 It was rough, man.
01:16:51.000 That's the problem with having a show that's got to be an hour.
01:16:53.000 It's got to fit between this time. 0.98
01:16:55.000 No, it should be fucking hours and hours long. 0.96
01:16:57.000 You should have to watch all of it. 0.99
01:16:59.000 That sounds like a lot of entertaining shit went down. 0.98
01:17:02.000 A lot of stuff. 0.98
01:17:03.000 I mean, it was cool, man.
01:17:03.000 It was an experience of a lifetime doing that kind of stuff.
01:17:05.000 I would have liked to have seen the video of the guy telling you that that's where the favela runoff goes.
01:17:09.000 I was so pissed. 0.97
01:17:10.000 And knowing that you were sick. 1.00
01:17:11.000 I mean, that's stupid, Gringo. 1.00
01:17:13.000 I went back to Brazil and I was like... 1.00
01:17:13.000 They missed out! 1.00
01:17:16.000 No, I was, when I was, I'd gone back to, I trained with Novinho down in Brazil on that trip.
01:17:19.000 And I was just down there for vacation.
01:17:23.000 I did an M1 show and decided to stay for a few weeks.
01:17:26.000 And yeah, I went back to that beach and a local said, no, no, you can't swim out there. 0.99
01:17:31.000 That's shit water, basically. 1.00
01:17:32.000 And I was like, fuck. 1.00
01:17:34.000 They missed that opportunity. 1.00
01:17:35.000 I got so goddamn sick. 0.99
01:17:37.000 It was horrible. 0.98
01:17:38.000 Yeah, that's not...
01:17:39.000 It was so bad.
01:17:40.000 I was in...
01:17:41.000 Yeah, probably.
01:17:42.000 I was in the emergency room in Rio, and I can't...
01:17:45.000 I was lying on the floor because I couldn't sit up, and a doctor came by and said, get him in a room right now.
01:17:50.000 And I'm in the emergency room in Rio.
01:17:52.000 So it wasn't like, you know, I'm out in the middle of nowhere.
01:17:55.000 Like, this is a packed emergency room in a major city, and they went, get him in an emergency room right now.
01:17:59.000 Get him in a room.
01:18:00.000 And you had a fight the next day.
01:18:01.000 Fought the next day. 1.00
01:18:03.000 God damn. 1.00
01:18:04.000 Oh God, it was awful. 1.00
01:18:05.000 I fought like ass. 1.00
01:18:06.000 You should have just shit all over the dude. 1.00
01:18:07.000 I should have just shit all over the dude. 1.00
01:18:09.000 But I didn't. 0.99
01:18:10.000 I kept my... 1.00
01:18:11.000 Kept your butthole clenched. 1.00
01:18:13.000 I kept my butthole clenched up and kept rolling, man. 1.00
01:18:15.000 You know? 0.99
01:18:16.000 That sounded like it was a fun show to do, though.
01:18:18.000 It was a blast to do.
01:18:18.000 It was.
01:18:19.000 It really was.
01:18:20.000 It really was.
01:18:21.000 It was, um...
01:18:22.000 It was just the disconnect between...
01:18:27.000 The people who made the show, the producers and everything, weren't fighters.
01:18:30.000 They weren't martial artists.
01:18:31.000 They didn't understand anything.
01:18:32.000 So Doug got, when he was doing Kyokushin Japan, he got concussed So badly, he couldn't see out of his eye.
01:18:41.000 He had a hemorrhage behind his eye and he couldn't see out of it.
01:18:43.000 And they would go to me and go, well, what do you think is wrong with Doug?
01:18:47.000 And I go, I'm not a medical professional.
01:18:49.000 I can't, you know, his knee was like grapefruit sized or like a melon sized.
01:18:54.000 And they were like, what's wrong with him?
01:18:55.000 And I go, I'm not Dr. Smith.
01:18:58.000 I go, there are like nine things that could be wrong to create those symptoms.
01:19:00.000 He needs an MRI. And they went, oh, he'll be all right.
01:19:02.000 And he fought.
01:19:03.000 Like, they didn't, this wasn't, Could have been staff.
01:19:07.000 Could have been anything.
01:19:08.000 But these weren't sanctioned athletic events.
01:19:11.000 So they didn't test us for anything.
01:19:15.000 If we could get out there and fight, we fought.
01:19:18.000 That is a problem with reality TV. That's the problem with reality TV. I remember...
01:19:26.000 A producer doesn't know.
01:19:27.000 Is that safe?
01:19:28.000 They don't know.
01:19:29.000 We shot on the edge of a volcano one time.
01:19:31.000 And there are all these signs going...
01:19:33.000 There was a guardrail to keep you from going out with this poisonous gas.
01:19:38.000 The camera guy goes, it would be a great shot if we got out there...
01:19:42.000 And this is in Indonesia, and he just turns to the guy, the ranger, and says, can we just go right out there?
01:19:49.000 Is that cool?
01:19:50.000 And the guy just kind of threw his hands up and went, yeah, go ahead.
01:19:52.000 And so we went out there, and he goes, all right, well, how about that one?
01:19:55.000 And so we did this shot, and I turn around, and we are...
01:20:00.000 60 yards behind.
01:20:01.000 Do not cross. 0.99
01:20:02.000 Poisonous gas.
01:20:03.000 Don't go over this line.
01:20:05.000 And the camera guy had somehow talked his dude into letting us get all the way out there.
01:20:09.000 And the guy starts talking and our translator turns to us and goes, Yeah, there are rivers of poisonous gas around where you're shooting.
01:20:15.000 If you fall...
01:20:17.000 That's it for you, basically.
01:20:18.000 And I'm, like, doing stuff on the top of this mountain.
01:20:21.000 And they're like, yeah, if you fall, that's it for you. 0.99
01:20:23.000 And the producers don't give a fuck. 0.99
01:20:24.000 They do not care. 1.00
01:20:26.000 If it's good for the show, goddammit, get your ass out there and do it. 0.99
01:20:29.000 That's the attitude of reality TV, too. 0.99
01:20:31.000 That's the attitude.
01:20:31.000 So it was this combination of fighting and reality TV. So it was interesting, because they don't know.
01:20:38.000 And I had to go, hey, Doug needs a concussion check.
01:20:42.000 And they went, well, I go...
01:20:44.000 Or I said, we need concussion checks.
01:20:46.000 After we fought five guys in the Kyokushin final, I said, we need concussion checks.
01:20:50.000 And they said, well, how do you know?
01:20:51.000 I said, listen to me.
01:20:53.000 I just fought five guys in a row.
01:20:57.000 I'm telling you, we need to get checked out to make sure we don't have a concussion.
01:21:01.000 And they're like fighting me on it.
01:21:02.000 And I went, look, we need to go to my showroom.
01:21:04.000 We need to get concussion checks.
01:21:05.000 We both got kicked in the head.
01:21:06.000 I feel fine, but the whole point is I shouldn't know the difference.
01:21:10.000 If a guy's telling you he doesn't need a concussion check, he needs a concussion check.
01:21:13.000 So they went and they took us there, and Doug blew his nose, he had blood in his nose, and his cheek starts blowing up like a balloon.
01:21:19.000 He had cracked...
01:21:21.000 Orbital.
01:21:21.000 Orbital bone.
01:21:22.000 And so air was getting out through his cheek.
01:21:25.000 And so he goes, is there something wrong with my cheek?
01:21:27.000 And I hit it.
01:21:28.000 And it was going like Rice Krispies.
01:21:28.000 I pushed it.
01:21:31.000 Because there was air bubbles in there.
01:21:33.000 And I went, I think you cracked your orbital bone, bro. 0.99
01:21:36.000 And he's like, oh shit, okay. 0.99
01:21:37.000 And then we fought again in like 10 days. 1.00
01:21:39.000 We're in another country doing the same shit. 0.99
01:21:40.000 You fought again with a broken orbital bone? 1.00
01:21:42.000 10 days later.
01:21:43.000 We had 10 days between shoots.
01:21:44.000 That's a good way to die in Indonesia. 1.00
01:21:46.000 Yeah, so that's when we started the next one. 1.00
01:21:48.000 What the fuck, man? 0.99
01:21:49.000 That was just our lives, man. 1.00
01:21:51.000 How old were you then?
01:21:53.000 I turned 30 during the show, so I was 29 for most of it. 1.00
01:21:56.000 So you were young enough to be talking to something really fucking stupid. 0.99
01:21:59.000 But also defensively, Doug really got beat on my... 1.00
01:22:05.000 Co-host on the show because I fought professionally. 0.91
01:22:07.000 When I'm in deep shit in the show, I would put my hands up and move my head. 0.68
01:22:12.000 I've been around the block enough to know that when I was outgunned, I was fighting a heavyweight. 0.96
01:22:16.000 Okay, fine.
01:22:16.000 I can cover up and not get hurt.
01:22:20.000 Go straight defense.
01:22:20.000 He had no idea how to do that and would just get hammered.
01:22:23.000 What was his background?
01:22:25.000 None.
01:22:25.000 He was a military guy.
01:22:27.000 He had been in Iraq and had been a bodyguard in Iraq and had done some amateur fights.
01:22:33.000 So he just didn't have the wherewithal to go, You know when you're fighting six guys I'm gonna make it look good for three of those guys and then for the rest I'm slipping and moving and you know I'm working on my using my defensive skills.
01:22:44.000 He didn't have that skill set.
01:22:45.000 So when the water got too deep he would just get hammered like hammered and I'd have to talk to producers and go you can't one time we were in Indonesia and He's a real jovial guy.
01:22:57.000 He's a lot like you.
01:22:57.000 He's a joker.
01:22:58.000 He's a smaller guy, so he's funny.
01:22:59.000 And he was just depressed to the point of he wasn't the same dude.
01:23:05.000 And the producers went, what's wrong with Doug? 0.99
01:23:07.000 And I said, he's getting beaten up every fucking week. 0.99
01:23:11.000 You can't put him through this physically and mentally every week. 0.99
01:23:16.000 He's starting to break down.
01:23:18.000 And we're on week six or whatever it was.
01:23:21.000 It's like at the gym.
01:23:22.000 When you get hazed, that's fine. 0.98
01:23:24.000 If you haze a guy every day for a month, he starts just falling apart.
01:23:30.000 Every good coach knows that.
01:23:32.000 You go with guys at a higher level, but at a certain point, give him those times where he's feeling good.
01:23:38.000 And if you don't have those, you start breaking down, and Doug started just breaking down. 0.96
01:23:42.000 Well, there's also your whole hormonal system gets fucked up because of head trauma. 0.99
01:23:46.000 Bad. 0.99
01:23:48.000 That's what they're finding out, man, about head trauma.
01:23:51.000 Pituitary gland just doesn't produce a chemical's needs when it gets smashed by a shin kick. 1.00
01:23:56.000 It just doesn't work the right way. 0.99
01:23:58.000 Which is the big argument about this TRT shit, because they're saying if these guys need TRT, it could be because they're getting kicked in the head all the time. 0.98
01:24:05.000 It's either that or steroids, or there's a medical issue on top of that. 0.99
01:24:08.000 So how many people have that medical issue?
01:24:11.000 It's a small percentage.
01:24:13.000 Hypogandism?
01:24:14.000 Yeah.
01:24:15.000 Hypogonadism.
01:24:16.000 Most of them, it's either steroid abuse or they're getting hit in the head too much or weight cutting.
01:24:21.000 Weight cutting is a big one too.
01:24:22.000 I had a doctor tell him and he goes, no functioning athlete should need TRT. He's like, if you need TRT, something's wrong.
01:24:31.000 You've been... 0.99
01:24:32.000 Your endocrine system is screwed. 1.00
01:24:34.000 There's something that's happened to fuck you up. 1.00
01:24:36.000 You shouldn't be thinking about TRT therapy until you're like 45, 50. Until you're literally not, you know, I'm not producing enough stars when I'm getting too old. 0.99
01:24:44.000 It's like a prime athlete shouldn't have that.
01:24:46.000 The only doctors I've talked to have given me, they've said, shouldn't happen if you're that age unless something's wrong.
01:24:51.000 Yeah, there were guys in the UFC that had in their 20s.
01:24:55.000 Yeah.
01:24:57.000 What? 1.00
01:25:00.000 It may be like Antonio Silva because he's got fucking gigantism. 1.00
01:25:04.000 He's a very extreme example. 0.99
01:25:06.000 He's a special case, period.
01:25:08.000 It makes sense that he would need it.
01:25:13.000 It's such a crazy situation because they let it through for a while.
01:25:17.000 Yeah.
01:25:19.000 So a guy like Chael Sonnen is kind of like the canary in a coal mine.
01:25:23.000 He's kind of like one of the first guys.
01:25:26.000 And had the issue after the Anderson Silva fight where they said it was clear, but it wasn't clear, and almost won the title, and then was suspended for a long time, and then came back, and then failed that test, and then failed this new test.
01:25:40.000 But the problem with this new test...
01:25:45.000 The last test he had that obviously was things to deal with the TRT therapy, what I've read, and the argument's going to be, how does this affect his legacy in that he had...
01:26:00.000 Did he retire because he knew he had pissed off for this other test and didn't want that becoming public?
01:26:04.000 It just raises all these questions about, well, he's on all this other stuff.
01:26:09.000 He knew he took the test already, the one in Oregon.
01:26:12.000 Was he retiring because, oh man, I pissed off for this one too?
01:26:15.000 Trying to get out?
01:26:16.000 I mean, it just casts a lot.
01:26:18.000 There's a serious doubt on his legacy when you throw in the new test.
01:26:22.000 The guy announced today, that's huge.
01:26:24.000 Okay, but do you question Vanderlei's legacy?
01:26:29.000 A little bit. 0.99
01:26:31.000 We're all sitting here talking about when Vanderlei was at his best, motherfucker was juiced beyond... 0.99
01:26:36.000 We're sitting here talking about, man, when Vanderlei was at his best, he was a walk-in pharmacy. 0.99
01:26:41.000 We're assuming that.
01:26:42.000 Assuming.
01:26:43.000 But that's legacy.
01:26:44.000 When you say Vanderlei Silva, Joe, what do you think of this roided out beast killing people in pride? 0.57
01:26:49.000 Different time.
01:26:50.000 Different time, but it's still what we're thinking about.
01:26:53.000 It's still in our head.
01:26:54.000 It's still part of the conversation we just had about a prime ventilate involved pharmaceutical products.
01:27:00.000 That's legacy.
01:27:01.000 Yeah, you got a good point.
01:27:03.000 It is.
01:27:03.000 It's what you talk about.
01:27:04.000 He's still my favorite.
01:27:05.000 Yeah! 1.00
01:27:06.000 Fuck it, man! 1.00
01:27:07.000 I'm putting my flag on this bitch! 1.00
01:27:09.000 I'm a Vanderlei fan till the day I die. 0.99
01:27:11.000 I love the guy to death, but like I said, when you say legacy, you're thinking, what do I think of when I think of that?
01:27:16.000 No, absolutely, it's true.
01:27:18.000 I mean, look, it's something that has to be considered, and with Chael...
01:27:23.000 You know, there's more than one situation, more than one instance of it.
01:27:28.000 So it's, you know, it's a part of his legacy.
01:27:30.000 But I think Chell's legacy ultimately is going to be more of a self-promoter than even of a fighter. 0.99
01:27:36.000 I mean, I think he's the best shit-talker ever. 0.98
01:27:38.000 By far. 1.00
01:27:38.000 His mouth is... 1.00
01:27:41.000 Bronzed.
01:27:42.000 He's the greatest. 1.00
01:27:44.000 I love his shit-talking. 0.99
01:27:46.000 And it made him. 1.00
01:27:47.000 I mean, you think about it.
01:27:48.000 He has a victory over Shogun.
01:27:49.000 Huge victory.
01:27:50.000 Submission win.
01:27:51.000 The Anderson fight, the first one.
01:27:53.000 Very close fight.
01:27:54.000 Gets submitted in the final round.
01:27:56.000 I mean, there's a lot of good moments in his career.
01:27:58.000 Leading up to the Anderson Silva fight, I remember he had beaten Nate Marquardt.
01:28:02.000 That was a great fight.
01:28:03.000 Great fight.
01:28:04.000 He had beaten...
01:28:06.000 I want to say Yushin Okami before that?
01:28:07.000 Yeah, he beat Okami.
01:28:10.000 I remember not thinking he had much of a shot.
01:28:10.000 Decisions.
01:28:15.000 I remember thinking, oh, those are good wins against solid guys, but they weren't blowouts.
01:28:19.000 He didn't destroy those guys.
01:28:20.000 They were decision wins.
01:28:22.000 His mouth sold that fight.
01:28:25.000 Yeah.
01:28:42.000 That Dana was furious at Anderson Silva, and they were worried about him putting his fight on an undercard.
01:28:49.000 He was threatening to put an undercard.
01:28:50.000 I don't know how real that is. 0.99
01:28:51.000 But Chael went, fuck it, I gotta sell this thing. 0.99
01:28:54.000 And that's when the mouth came out, because he hadn't really done that before. 0.99
01:28:57.000 Yeah, that's true.
01:28:58.000 It was before that fight that it all came out.
01:29:01.000 And his teammate, one of his teammates, his old coach told me, he goes, they were worried Anderson Silva versus Shale was going to be on an undercard because his other performances had been so weird that they were going to kind of punish him. 0.98
01:29:11.000 So that Shale went, fuck, I got to sell this thing. 0.97
01:29:13.000 And just started running his mouth off and made a fight that on paper... 0.99
01:29:17.000 I don't think it was super compelling into must-see TV. And then it became must-see TV. And then it became a thing.
01:29:23.000 The problem with the character, and I tell this to fighters all the time, if it's not you, be careful.
01:29:30.000 It becomes you.
01:29:31.000 If it's not you, if you aren't comfortable, Mayhem Miller became a dude.
01:29:36.000 Mayhem became a person.
01:29:38.000 It used to be a nickname when I first met him.
01:29:40.000 Now it's a guy.
01:29:41.000 I'm mayhem.
01:29:42.000 And it's like, if you aren't comfortable being that guy, please don't start.
01:29:46.000 Because you can't just stop.
01:29:48.000 Imagine not wanting to be Hulk Hogan.
01:29:50.000 And when people come up to you and go, Hey, you have to be Hulk.
01:29:55.000 He can't be whatever his name is.
01:29:56.000 I'm going to do it right now, brother.
01:29:57.000 Yeah, brother.
01:29:58.000 You can't not be that.
01:30:00.000 I can't not be that guy.
01:30:02.000 So I tell fighters, I go... 1.00
01:30:04.000 Be careful with that shit. 1.00
01:30:05.000 Because once you start, you cannot stop. 1.00
01:30:08.000 The ultimate warrior died the ultimate warrior.
01:30:10.000 The ultimate warrior died the ultimate warrior in his mom's basement. 1.00
01:30:14.000 Mom, fucking me! 1.00
01:30:19.000 Seriously, you can't just turn it off. 1.00
01:30:22.000 She can't go, you know what, I'm really sick of this shtick.
01:30:25.000 He can't!
01:30:26.000 He's gotta be that guy!
01:30:27.000 Or else, don't start.
01:30:30.000 Don't create a character to hype a fight, and for the rest of your life, you are Hulk Hogan, or you're the ultimate warrior, or you're some character you don't believe in.
01:30:39.000 Because it won't go away.
01:30:41.000 That is hilarious.
01:30:42.000 People will talk to you and be disappointed that, man, you're pretty normal.
01:30:46.000 I'm just, one of the things that I really liked is that people, fans of Fight Quest met me and went, wow, you're not that different.
01:30:52.000 Like, you're not any different.
01:30:54.000 Yeah.
01:30:54.000 Like, the show is just you doing stuff.
01:30:58.000 People who see my commentary and meet me in real life go, well, you're not any different, really.
01:31:03.000 I don't have to create a guy that I have to be when people come up and I gotta be Fight Quest Jimmy.
01:31:07.000 Like, I don't have to be that guy.
01:31:09.000 Bobcat Goldthwait struggled with that forever.
01:31:11.000 Bobcat, for the longest time, you know, his comedy act, like, ah!
01:31:18.000 He would do that like he would deliver his punchlines like this! 0.98
01:31:22.000 And then after a while, I mean he was hilarious, but after a while he got tired of fucking doing that. 0.94
01:31:27.000 He had a great comedy DVD called Is He Like That All The Time? 0.84
01:31:32.000 Do you remember that?
01:31:32.000 Yeah.
01:31:33.000 Bobcat Goldthwait, Is He Like That All The Time?
01:31:35.000 And he's a really, really smart guy with insightful things to say about stuff.
01:31:41.000 But...
01:31:43.000 I don't think he does that at all anymore, though.
01:31:45.000 He's allowed to be himself now.
01:31:47.000 There was a transitionary period.
01:31:50.000 He's been on the podcast before.
01:31:51.000 He's great.
01:31:52.000 I love him.
01:31:52.000 He made a Bigfoot movie, man.
01:31:54.000 Really?
01:31:54.000 Yeah.
01:31:55.000 A horror movie.
01:31:56.000 It's good.
01:31:57.000 It's coming out soon.
01:31:59.000 We're going to have some sort of a release party.
01:32:02.000 I'm in. 0.98
01:32:03.000 I don't even know shit. 0.98
01:32:04.000 I'm in, dude. 0.98
01:32:05.000 Bobcat?
01:32:05.000 I'm in, dude.
01:32:06.000 Done.
01:32:07.000 Ian and I, we're in, bro.
01:32:08.000 It'll be a screening somewhere.
01:32:10.000 I'll let you guys know when it takes place.
01:32:12.000 But Bobcat, I've seen it already. 0.97
01:32:14.000 It's really fucking good. 0.96
01:32:15.000 He had a really good Bigfoot movie. 0.99
01:32:17.000 It's called Willow Creek.
01:32:18.000 That is not easy to pull off, too.
01:32:20.000 A really good Bigfoot movie.
01:32:21.000 Scary.
01:32:22.000 It got 93 on Rotten Tomatoes.
01:32:24.000 That's good. 0.99
01:32:25.000 93 fucking percent on Rotten Tomatoes. 0.99
01:32:27.000 That's huge. 0.98
01:32:28.000 Or IMDB, one of those things, whatever it is.
01:32:30.000 But it's good.
01:32:31.000 It's like a Blair Witch-style filming.
01:32:34.000 Like these people that went out looking to make a film about Bigfoot, and then they piece together this documentary based on their unedited footage. 0.99
01:32:43.000 It's fucking good. 0.99
01:32:44.000 That's crazy. 0.99
01:32:45.000 Yeah, Bob, he's a big believer in Bigfoot, man.
01:32:47.000 I wish Bigfoot was real. 0.98
01:32:49.000 I have a theory that if he's real, he has to be gay. 0.97
01:32:52.000 That's why there's only ten of them. 0.98
01:32:53.000 Ten.
01:32:54.000 Otherwise, they'd be everywhere, because no one's eating Bigfoot babies.
01:32:57.000 Who's keeping them from breeding? 0.54
01:32:58.000 That is way too much logic for most people, because most people, when you start talking about, you know you need a breeding population of something, they look at you with this blank stare, and you go, there has to be enough of them to have genetic variety and have babies.
01:33:10.000 Does this make sense to anybody?
01:33:12.000 There's not one Bigfoot, like, oh, of course you can't find Bigfoot.
01:33:17.000 The Pacific Northwest is so vast.
01:33:19.000 There could be thousands of them.
01:33:20.000 I believe there's about 10,000 Sasquatch in North America, approximately. 1.00
01:33:24.000 When I did that show for SyFy, Joe Rogan Questions Everything, I talked to all those fucking goofballs. 0.99
01:33:29.000 I talked to those people in depth for hours. 0.99
01:33:32.000 I went squatching.
01:33:33.000 I went out in the woods with those people for days.
01:33:36.000 Just poking around, looking at animals. 1.00
01:33:39.000 There's a lot of shit out there. 1.00
01:33:40.000 There's a lot of weird shit out there. 1.00
01:33:42.000 Things you'll never see. 0.99
01:33:44.000 You could live the rest of your life and never see a mountain lion.
01:33:46.000 Or live the rest of your life and never see a wolverine.
01:33:48.000 And we know that they're real.
01:33:49.000 So in their logic, they're like, but there are people who are very credible witnesses.
01:33:54.000 Here's the problem, man.
01:33:55.000 I went bear hunting recently, and when I was hunting, I saw a squirrel.
01:33:58.000 For half a second, I thought that squirrel was a wolf. 1.00
01:34:04.000 For one half of one second, I was like, I don't know if it's a fucking squirrel, you asshole. 1.00
01:34:09.000 That highlights. 1.00
01:34:10.000 And this is in, you know, fairly good light.
01:34:13.000 And you've been in the woods.
01:34:17.000 Yeah, I'm hunting.
01:34:18.000 I'm wearing camo. 1.00
01:34:20.000 I got a fucking bow in my hand. 0.99
01:34:21.000 I'm there for the full experience, and I thought a squirrel was a wolf. 0.99
01:34:25.000 I mean, it was only for a half a second, but it happened!
01:34:30.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:34:30.000 I was like, no, it's not a fucking wolf, you asshole! 1.00
01:34:34.000 It was that much time! 1.00
01:34:36.000 Oh, that's awesome.
01:34:37.000 That's what happens, man.
01:34:39.000 You see a bear, okay?
01:34:40.000 And you see a bear standing up on its back feet, which they do.
01:34:43.000 I've seen bears do it.
01:34:45.000 They stand up on their back feet.
01:34:46.000 It's weird to see, because their biggest When you see a seven foot tall bear standing up on his back feet and he's near a tree and if you see that from really far away and if you're in the woods the problem also is you're not seeing it's not like it's in a field you're seeing it in between trees So you're not getting a good view of it.
01:35:05.000 You're getting a view of it from...
01:35:07.000 Even if it's in the Pacific Northwest, especially, it's so dense.
01:35:10.000 If it's 20 yards away from you, you're looking at a sliver of it through a dozen trees, at least.
01:35:16.000 Probably more like a hundred trees. 0.99
01:35:18.000 Depth perception is just fucked up. 1.00
01:35:19.000 Well, fuck! 1.00
01:35:20.000 The perception's fucked. 1.00
01:35:22.000 What you're looking at is fucked. 1.00
01:35:23.000 And then if you convince yourself that it was a guy standing up that was black and covered with hair, you're like, oh my god, I saw Bigfoot. 1.00
01:35:29.000 And then you start painting it in your head that it was Bigfoot. 1.00
01:35:33.000 It's a bear, you dumb fuck. 1.00
01:35:34.000 It's a black bear. 1.00
01:35:35.000 A big, tall black bear that was scratching his back on a tree. 0.96
01:35:38.000 Oh, we saw them rubbing their pussies on trees? 0.97
01:35:41.000 Yep. 0.99
01:35:41.000 The females? 0.99
01:35:42.000 They back their pussy up to trees. 1.00
01:35:43.000 And they start rubbing their pussies on trees. 1.00
01:35:45.000 Start twerking that bear ass. 1.00
01:35:47.000 They get horny. 1.00
01:35:47.000 And they start freaking. 1.00
01:35:49.000 Sometimes you gotta just find a way.
01:35:51.000 Well, my favorite is there's nothing like that in the fossil record.
01:35:53.000 And they look at you with another blank stare.
01:35:55.000 You know, we've found every creature that's in the woods now.
01:35:59.000 Millions of years of versions of those creatures.
01:36:02.000 We've never seen anything like a Bigfoot.
01:36:04.000 That's where you're wrong.
01:36:05.000 Gigantopithecus?
01:36:06.000 Yeah, but it is so incredible.
01:36:10.000 Have you seen one of those things?
01:36:11.000 It is unbelievably gigantic.
01:36:15.000 I've heard that same theory.
01:36:17.000 There's no transitional species to go from there to anything Bigfoot-sized.
01:36:23.000 Well, Bigfoot would be that big.
01:36:25.000 See, the thing about Gigantopithecus that's really fascinating is they didn't even know it existed until the 1920s.
01:36:31.000 Some guy was in an apothecary shop in China, and they found a tooth, unknown primate tooth, tried to figure out what it was, asked the guy, where'd you get this?
01:36:40.000 They take them to this place, they find more bones, and they find a jawbone that seems to indicate a bipedal hominid.
01:36:45.000 Because of the position of the jawbone, when animals that are walking on our floors, their jaws position differently than someone standing straight up.
01:36:52.000 But based on jawbones and a couple other pieces...
01:36:55.000 We're good to go.
01:37:33.000 So the animal, if it did exist at the time...
01:37:38.000 They don't know if it existed 15,000-20,000 years ago.
01:37:41.000 They know it existed 100,000 years ago.
01:37:43.000 That's a long gap.
01:37:45.000 But if that thing did come and lived in the Pacific Northwest, the idea is that a small amount of them would still be there.
01:37:50.000 There is a thing in Siberia, they call them almas, that's their word for the wild man, that are like either big Neanderthal or small Neanderthals.
01:38:03.000 I can never say the word.
01:38:04.000 Gigantopithecus?
01:38:05.000 Yeah.
01:38:05.000 Gigantopithecus.
01:38:06.000 Gigantopithecus.
01:38:08.000 So the Russians have their own kind of Bigfoot called an Alma. 0.93
01:38:11.000 And in the mid-1800s, there was a story of one called Zana that they had captured. 1.00
01:38:16.000 And some crazy fucker had sex with it. 1.00
01:38:19.000 And they produced half... 1.00
01:38:24.000 Yeah.
01:38:28.000 Crazy stories out there.
01:38:30.000 Totally likely.
01:38:31.000 Crazy stories out there.
01:38:32.000 Probably definitely happened. 1.00
01:38:34.000 Neanderthals were short as fuck. 1.00
01:38:35.000 Neanderthals were short and strong as shit. 1.00
01:38:38.000 Five feet tall, 200 pounds. 1.00
01:38:40.000 Dense as fuck. 1.00
01:38:42.000 Yeah, they were weird built. 1.00
01:38:43.000 Break your shit. 1.00
01:38:43.000 They were built way more like a gorilla than they were like a person. 1.00
01:38:47.000 Yeah.
01:38:47.000 They had like way dense, thick muscles.
01:38:49.000 And it's interesting that we don't know what they really looked like either.
01:38:52.000 We have these ideas that they make, you know, we don't know what the color of their skin was.
01:38:56.000 It's just total speculation as to what color of their skin was.
01:39:00.000 We don't know what they looked like.
01:39:02.000 They could have looked way more like some sort of an ape. 0.99
01:39:05.000 We do know that they fucked people, though. 1.00
01:39:07.000 And that people fucked them. 1.00
01:39:08.000 We know there's a whole lot of fucking going on. 1.00
01:39:10.000 Cro-Magnon either pushed them out or interbred with them. 1.00
01:39:14.000 Fucked them into extinction. 1.00
01:39:15.000 Fucked them into extinction, man. 1.00
01:39:17.000 Just took all those crazy freak... 1.00
01:39:19.000 Neanderthal bitches and fuck the shit out of them and kill their husbands. 1.00
01:39:22.000 Sounds like a good set of genocide right there. 1.00
01:39:26.000 Just fucking and killing everything. 1.00
01:39:27.000 It is interesting because now they're starting to think that Neanderthals are way smarter than we thought they were. 1.00
01:39:32.000 Because their brains are actually larger than Homo sapiens.
01:39:35.000 And they thought that those brains that were larger was to compensate for the extra muscle mass and all the different functions that their body was able to perform that ours weren't.
01:39:43.000 Because they were way stronger than people.
01:39:46.000 If we had a Neanderthal that was fighting in the UFC, he would make... 0.99
01:39:53.000 Look like Brad Pickett. 1.00
01:39:55.000 Just teach him fucking leg locks. 0.99
01:39:56.000 Yeah, teach him leg locks and set it out there. 1.00
01:39:58.000 Can you imagine what one of those fucking things would look like? 1.00
01:40:02.000 Just thick fucking five foot tall, 200 pound, dense ass, thick bones, giant elbows and shit. 1.00
01:40:09.000 Fuck you up. 1.00
01:40:10.000 Extra long arms, short legs. 1.00
01:40:13.000 You gotta punch, it just catches you and pulls you in.
01:40:15.000 You punch it, that was it for you. 1.00
01:40:17.000 Our design sucks so hard, the jawbone of the modern human. 0.99
01:40:22.000 You see guys get rugged, like Schilling and Simon Marcus. 0.97
01:40:25.000 Perfect shot, on the jaw, shuts everything off.
01:40:29.000 Not the Anderthals. 0.99
01:40:30.000 Nope. 0.59
01:40:31.000 It's like punching a forehead.
01:40:32.000 Part of the reason their heads were shaped differently is they had extra attachments here.
01:40:38.000 For neck muscles.
01:40:39.000 Also for biting raw meat. 0.99
01:40:41.000 Just chewing through fucking wood to hide when they didn't have time to invent knives. 1.00
01:40:46.000 Just fucking chewing through a fucking woolly mammoth's face. 1.00
01:40:49.000 Jumping off a rock and trying to fucking take it down. 1.00
01:40:53.000 Yeah, that's not a good way to live. 1.00
01:40:55.000 They don't know what fucking killed those people off. 0.98
01:40:58.000 It's fascinating. 0.99
01:40:58.000 They could have also died off at the end of the Ice Age, they think. 0.99
01:41:02.000 Because Neanderthals, I don't know if they know when the last ones existed, but they think it's as recently as 40,000 years ago. 0.70
01:41:10.000 Yeah.
01:41:10.000 I think that was the most recent explanations or ideas, but...
01:41:15.000 That's also like 10,000 years ago is when the woolly mammoth died off and the saber-toothed tiger.
01:41:20.000 And that's also coincided with the end of the Ice Age.
01:41:22.000 And so there's a bunch of guys that think that that happened because of asteroidal impacts.
01:41:27.000 That it might have wiped off a gigantic slice of the population. 1.00
01:41:30.000 And Neanderthal might have been too stupid to survive. 1.00
01:41:33.000 I don't know if that makes any sense, though. 1.00
01:41:35.000 I like the fucking theory better. 0.99
01:41:38.000 The fucking theory is a little more awesome, I must say. 1.00
01:41:42.000 Could you imagine if we found Neanderthals, though? 0.99
01:41:44.000 And they would be technically human.
01:41:46.000 So if some, like, shoot-the-box type dude went out there and recruited him, Vandelay recruited him, you know, brought him back to America.
01:41:54.000 He's probably the closest thing to a Neanderthal.
01:41:58.000 What did you think about Vandelay running out on his drug test? 1.00
01:42:01.000 That's stupid. 1.00
01:42:03.000 That's unbelievable. 1.00
01:42:03.000 But the idea of I ran out because I was on diuretics? 1.00
01:42:07.000 I don't...
01:42:08.000 Come on.
01:42:09.000 That's...
01:42:09.000 I don't buy that.
01:42:10.000 It's a little fishy.
01:42:11.000 It's a little fishy, dude.
01:42:13.000 And, you know, it's also coming from a guy who we sort of already decided...
01:42:19.000 Strongly suspect.
01:42:21.000 In our non-medical opinions.
01:42:23.000 It's been rumored, according to our friend Phil Barone, he believes it.
01:42:26.000 I know people who have seen the contracts.
01:42:28.000 Yeah.
01:42:29.000 And who were told by officials that we test for these drugs, but we don't test for steroids.
01:42:34.000 Well, Jason Chambers, they told him to get on steroids.
01:42:37.000 Yeah.
01:42:37.000 They wanted him to get up to 185 pounds.
01:42:39.000 Jason's like, I weigh 170. I weigh 170 right now.
01:42:42.000 And there was like a bigger.
01:42:44.000 185. Much bigger.
01:42:46.000 Come, come, come.
01:42:48.000 Yeah, they told him to get on steroids.
01:42:51.000 Yeah.
01:42:52.000 They don't...
01:42:53.000 Pride, they did not play, man. 0.99
01:42:54.000 And he was like, I'm fucking... 0.99
01:42:56.000 I don't think... 0.99
01:42:57.000 This is not a good idea.
01:42:58.000 Not the best idea.
01:43:00.000 Yeah, but those were interesting times, man.
01:43:02.000 Like, one of my favorite times ever.
01:43:04.000 I used to love getting up in the middle of the night or staying up in the middle of the night and watching those cards take place live from Japan. 0.99
01:43:11.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99
01:43:12.000 What time would they start? 1.00
01:43:13.000 It would start, like, stupid late at night, right? 0.96
01:43:15.000 I would get the tapes from Little Tokyo at the, like, little rental stores that do Japanese stuff. 0.98
01:43:20.000 That's how you get them?
01:43:21.000 That's how I used to get them.
01:43:21.000 I was at UCLA, man, and I would ride my bike to downtown...
01:43:25.000 I didn't have a car at the time.
01:43:27.000 And I would go to these video stores and they would barely speak English.
01:43:29.000 And I would go...
01:43:30.000 I remember saying, like, I want...
01:43:33.000 MMA didn't really exist at the time.
01:43:35.000 I was like, pride.
01:43:36.000 And he looked at me and he goes...
01:43:38.000 And he didn't really understand me.
01:43:39.000 Gay pride.
01:43:40.000 And I said... 0.99
01:43:41.000 Give up!
01:43:42.000 Give up!
01:43:43.000 Give up!
01:43:43.000 Yep, yep, yep.
01:43:44.000 I remember that, man. 1.00
01:43:45.000 Yes, he got a fucking scream. 0.99
01:43:47.000 For years, gofungika was the only words I knew in Japanese. 0.99
01:43:50.000 Five minutes left.
01:43:51.000 That was the only word I knew in Japanese. 0.91
01:43:53.000 But I looked at him, and I go, shit, I'm trying to think of a name, and I just went, Rumanosato? 0.96
01:43:58.000 And he goes, Sato! 0.99
01:43:58.000 Rumanosato! 0.99
01:43:59.000 And he points to this area with all these Shuto and Pride tapes.
01:44:03.000 Like this whole section.
01:44:05.000 I remember going back there and back over and over again just to, like, because they had all of them.
01:44:09.000 And you couldn't find them anywhere. 0.97
01:44:11.000 Rumanosato was a badass fucking grappler, man. 0.97
01:44:13.000 Rumanosato, dude. 0.99
01:44:14.000 Charles Taylor.
01:44:15.000 Flying armbar.
01:44:16.000 Dude. 0.99
01:44:17.000 He's fucking so cool. 0.97
01:44:18.000 Back in the day. 0.98
01:44:19.000 And he would do grappling competitions, too.
01:44:21.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:44:21.000 He was a bad motherfucker. 1.00
01:44:23.000 Bad mamma jamma. 1.00
01:44:24.000 Yeah.
01:44:24.000 And Kauno beat him twice.
01:44:26.000 And Kauno beat him twice. 0.89
01:44:26.000 And did a submission tournament, flying fucking triangle, like three out of four people. 0.89
01:44:31.000 Okay, but think about the level of jiu-jitsu then, and then the level of guys now. 0.68
01:44:35.000 Where do you put him?
01:44:39.000 I think that he was...
01:44:41.000 Back then, he was...
01:44:43.000 At the level we're at now, almost that level back then.
01:44:47.000 Wow.
01:44:47.000 But he was, you know, a lot of those guys, the Japanese aren't that strong.
01:44:54.000 Not physically imposing.
01:44:55.000 I think that's where they have trouble in the US a lot of times.
01:44:57.000 Yeah, once you get the super athletes who are physically imposing that just get just as good...
01:45:02.000 Sure, they're slick, but, you know, and they have that, like, one shot, one kill, I'll die before I give up kind of attitude. 0.98
01:45:09.000 It just, they just can't deal with the physical strength of, you know, American fucking muscle. 1.00
01:45:16.000 Shit like that. 1.00
01:45:17.000 I totally agree with that. 1.00
01:45:18.000 I think, like, if you look at the guys, like...
01:45:21.000 There's no Japanese Mark Coleman's.
01:45:24.000 No!
01:45:25.000 Fujita?
01:45:26.000 Not really.
01:45:27.000 That's as close as it got.
01:45:28.000 He was pretty close, I guess, but it was just a different sort of thing, right?
01:45:32.000 That judo kid, but he never panned out to beat.
01:45:36.000 Ishii? 1.00
01:45:36.000 Ishii, yeah. 1.00
01:45:38.000 Well, they made him fight Fado.
01:45:39.000 How many fights was he in?
01:45:41.000 Yoshida in his first fight.
01:45:43.000 Yeah, Yoshida in his first fight, Fedor within the first couple of years.
01:45:46.000 That was another pride thing. 1.00
01:45:47.000 They would feed guys to the goddamn wolves. 1.00
01:45:50.000 Feed them to Fedor. 1.00
01:45:51.000 Feed them to Fedor, what are you thinking? 1.00
01:45:53.000 They love that shit. 1.00
01:45:54.000 And the knockout's brutal, too. 1.00
01:45:56.000 I mean, he just really is helpless, and Fedor's just sniping him.
01:45:59.000 Yeah.
01:45:59.000 Just, you know, pulling back and watching him.
01:46:02.000 It was exciting to watch.
01:46:04.000 Hey, no one put a gun to his head, allegedly.
01:46:06.000 I mean, maybe they did.
01:46:07.000 I don't know.
01:46:07.000 Never know, dude.
01:46:08.000 Yakuza scandal. 1.00
01:46:09.000 Fucking one guy missing a finger. 1.00
01:46:11.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:46:12.000 Dude, you know, that was another knock on Japanese fighters. 0.76
01:46:15.000 They come to the US and, oh, it's big in Japan and they can't do well here. 0.99
01:46:17.000 It's big physical wrestlers, man.
01:46:20.000 It's hard to overcome that.
01:46:21.000 With that Japanese, like you said, kind of balls out submission style. 1.00
01:46:24.000 We're going hard for this submission. 0.94
01:46:25.000 If you don't get it, you've got to put your head through the ground.
01:46:27.000 Also, the weight-cutting aspect.
01:46:29.000 They weren't cutting weight.
01:46:31.000 Nothing like Americans were cutting weight. 0.99
01:46:33.000 So you would see guys weigh in, and they'd see the guy they were fighting, and you're like, what?
01:46:36.000 That's crazy.
01:46:38.000 Like Sakurai and Matt Hughes.
01:46:40.000 Perfect example. 0.98
01:46:41.000 Matt Hughes was a big fucking welterweight at the time. 0.98
01:46:44.000 I mean, he had these garden hose muscles that would connect the back of his head to his neck. 1.00
01:46:50.000 Just these thick-ass neck, fucking country strong and shit. 1.00
01:46:54.000 Sakurai was just not... 1.00
01:46:56.000 Able to deal with that.
01:46:57.000 It was just a different kind of athlete. 0.98
01:46:59.000 And he had good fucking passing ability, good jiu-jitsu. 0.98
01:47:02.000 Very good jiu-jitsu. 0.98
01:47:03.000 He was the first wrestler, in my opinion, that really learned how to not just take guys down and ground and pound them, but learn how to hit things like that far side arm bar that he hit on George St. Pierre when George St. Pierre went for that Kimura.
01:47:14.000 He had good jiu-jitsu.
01:47:16.000 Yeah, he did.
01:47:16.000 He had real solid skills.
01:47:19.000 Good defensive skills, too. 0.83
01:47:21.000 You know, like the Frank Trigg rear naked chokes.
01:47:23.000 He could put guys away. 0.98
01:47:24.000 He could choke guys. 1.00
01:47:26.000 And that Sakurai was just not big enough to fuck with him. 1.00
01:47:29.000 Couldn't handle him. 1.00
01:47:32.000 Sakurai had some good fucking kicks, though, too. 1.00
01:47:34.000 Big-ass legs. 1.00
01:47:35.000 Good leg kicks. 0.85
01:47:36.000 Fast.
01:47:37.000 Fast, accurate.
01:47:39.000 Love watching that guy fight.
01:47:40.000 And so did Sato.
01:47:40.000 But Sato, he was one of the first guys, too.
01:47:42.000 He saw it get a little chinny.
01:47:43.000 He started to go towards the end of his career.
01:47:47.000 Want to call Uno?
01:47:48.000 Yeah.
01:47:48.000 Clipped him, bing, where am I? Yeah.
01:47:51.000 In their rematch.
01:47:52.000 Knocked him right out.
01:47:54.000 Yeah, man.
01:47:54.000 How about Kyle Uno?
01:47:55.000 What a badass motherfucker that guy was. 0.99
01:47:57.000 Love that guy. 0.99
01:47:58.000 When he looked good, he looked fucking phenomenal. 0.88
01:48:01.000 Just super amazing. 0.99
01:48:03.000 And then some days you're just like, who the fuck is this guy? 0.99
01:48:05.000 Well, how about when BJ just charged at him? 0.99
01:48:08.000 Ran across.
01:48:10.000 Just KO'd him within the first 15-20 seconds.
01:48:13.000 Yep.
01:48:13.000 And just left him there.
01:48:15.000 I mean, it was like one of the weirdest...
01:48:16.000 It's like assault.
01:48:17.000 Yeah.
01:48:17.000 He's just like, I gotta get out of here before the cops get me.
01:48:20.000 Like, ran out of the cage into the back. 0.99
01:48:22.000 Like, where the fuck is he going? 1.00
01:48:23.000 He's going crazy. 1.00
01:48:23.000 He Hilo! 1.00
01:48:24.000 Hilo! 0.69
01:48:25.000 I did it for Mana!
01:48:27.000 Nuts, man.
01:48:28.000 Yeah, he went crazy, man.
01:48:30.000 Do you think he has a...
01:48:31.000 You know, the odds are 10-1 against him.
01:48:34.000 Frankie Edgar.
01:48:35.000 10-1?
01:48:36.000 10-1.
01:48:37.000 That bad?
01:48:38.000 10-1.
01:48:39.000 Yeah.
01:48:39.000 Yeah, I'd take that at 10 to 1. Hell yeah.
01:48:42.000 A couple hundred bucks on it?
01:48:43.000 Yeah, I would. 0.74
01:48:43.000 Yeah, you never fucking know. 0.74
01:48:46.000 I mean, especially listening to what you're saying, man. 0.95
01:48:49.000 Listening to what you're saying about him being in that good a shape.
01:48:52.000 That was always a thing that held him back.
01:48:54.000 And if there's one loss that fucks with him, it's not the losses to Nick Diaz or Rory McDonald. 0.99
01:49:01.000 Guys are just too fucking big. 0.99
01:49:03.000 You shouldn't have been fighting those guys. 0.99
01:49:05.000 Never should have fought at 170. And now that he's fighting at 145, and you're like, wait a minute.
01:49:11.000 You used to fight at 170. You fought Machida!
01:49:14.000 Yeah, 205. What the fuck, man? 1.00
01:49:16.000 You fought heavyweight. 1.00
01:49:18.000 Machida was over 205. Machida was essentially a heavyweight.
01:49:22.000 It was ridiculous.
01:49:23.000 And here he is, fighting at 145. Is there ever a guy like that, that went from heavyweight down to 145? 0.60
01:49:30.000 Speaking of size disadvantage, and then he fucking ends up choking out Matt Hughes and knocking out Matt Hughes?
01:49:35.000 Yeah. 0.97
01:49:35.000 Knocked him out with one punch. 0.97
01:49:37.000 I think that him choking out Matt Hughes could have been...
01:49:41.000 In many ways, kind of the worst thing that ever happened to him is that he kept flirting with 170 against these gigantic dudes.
01:49:48.000 That success...
01:49:50.000 I don't know.
01:49:50.000 Maybe he set his sights too high.
01:49:51.000 We're going, dude, Matt Hughes is the only guy he ever beat at 170. That's interesting.
01:49:56.000 Everybody forgets.
01:49:57.000 Matt Hughes is the only guy he ever beat at 170 pounds.
01:50:01.000 If you're going to beat only one guy, that's a pretty impressive guy.
01:50:04.000 It is, but he kept going back to the well at 170. Like, bro, you just can't physically handle those guys.
01:50:09.000 Well, especially George St. Pierre figured out a way to tire him out first and then beat him up.
01:50:14.000 Grease your back up and you're good?
01:50:15.000 Yeah.
01:50:16.000 Grease your chest, your back. 0.96
01:50:18.000 Remember he had that guy that was doing voodoo on him and shit? 0.99
01:50:20.000 Rubbing his chest. 0.99
01:50:22.000 Rubbing his chest.
01:50:22.000 And they caught him putting Vaseline on his back.
01:50:25.000 Like, what are you motherfuckers doing? 1.00
01:50:27.000 Pretending that touching his nipples and his forehead and just fucking giving him the holy trinity. 1.00
01:50:32.000 Greasing. 1.00
01:50:32.000 You have grease on your hands. 1.00
01:50:34.000 Isn't that interesting about the UFC, too, is that they have corner men, but they don't have it like boxing has their own cut men.
01:50:41.000 The UFC, they have staff cut men that work for the entire card.
01:50:45.000 I think that's probably the way to do it.
01:50:47.000 Smarter.
01:50:47.000 Yeah, because you run in those Panama Lewis-type situations.
01:50:50.000 Yep, Louis Resto.
01:50:51.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:50:52.000 Irish Billy Cutler.
01:50:53.000 Give me the bottle I made.
01:50:54.000 The one I mixed.
01:50:56.000 Aaron Pryor.
01:50:57.000 Aaron Pryor.
01:50:58.000 Alexis Arguello. 0.99
01:50:59.000 Arguello was fucking so good back then. 0.98
01:51:01.000 Yeah, the Louis Resto thing, man. 1.00
01:51:03.000 That was the craziest shit ever. 1.00
01:51:04.000 Yep. 1.00
01:51:05.000 What was the dude's name?
01:51:06.000 The Billy...
01:51:07.000 Irish Billy Collins.
01:51:08.000 Billy Collins.
01:51:09.000 Yeah, that was crazy.
01:51:10.000 That kid committed suicide after that.
01:51:11.000 Killed himself. 0.51
01:51:12.000 Drove his car off a bridge.
01:51:16.000 For people who don't know what we're talking about, they took Louis Resto's, took the padding out of his gloves.
01:51:21.000 That was back in the day where boxing gloves were made out of horsehair.
01:51:25.000 And they didn't have those foam pads like they had today.
01:51:27.000 And sometimes they still use those horsehair gloves.
01:51:29.000 Like that was what Maidana was trying to use with Floyd Mayweather. 1.00
01:51:33.000 And they were like, bitch, you're not using these fucking gloves. 1.00
01:51:35.000 Did you ever see that video? 1.00
01:51:37.000 Where Floyd Mayweather, but the day after the weigh-in.
01:51:39.000 I know that had a problem with the gloves.
01:51:40.000 They had a real problem where Mayweather was putting it.
01:51:42.000 He goes, it's real simple. 0.99
01:51:43.000 We ain't using these motherfucking gloves. 1.00
01:51:45.000 I feel my fucking knuckle. 1.00
01:51:47.000 We ain't using these motherfucking gloves. 1.00
01:51:48.000 And they're like, don't be scared. 0.99
01:51:50.000 Why are you scared?
01:51:51.000 Be scared. 1.00
01:51:52.000 Bitch, I ain't scared. 1.00
01:51:53.000 I have 49 fucking fights. 1.00
01:51:55.000 We're not using these gloves. 0.99
01:51:56.000 Also, dude, my hands are worth $78 million.
01:51:59.000 I'm not breaking them because...
01:52:01.000 And not letting him have those gloves.
01:52:03.000 That was the big thing.
01:52:04.000 It's like getting hit with a hammer. 1.00
01:52:05.000 My Donna's a vicious fucking puncher. 1.00
01:52:06.000 Yes. 1.00
01:52:07.000 So they took the horse hair out of the gloves.
01:52:10.000 They made a small hole and then pulled the horse hair out.
01:52:14.000 And it was essentially just taped up knuckles. 0.99
01:52:17.000 And he beat the shit out of Billy Collins. 1.00
01:52:19.000 Fucked his face up. 0.99
01:52:20.000 Who was undefeated at the time. 0.98
01:52:21.000 And a really good fighter.
01:52:22.000 A little more journeyman.
01:52:23.000 Yeah.
01:52:24.000 And big upset.
01:52:25.000 His eyes were so badly swollen.
01:52:29.000 They took a photo after the fight.
01:52:32.000 And the promoter said, why don't you take it with his eyes open?
01:52:34.000 And he goes, those are open.
01:52:36.000 That's as far as you could open them.
01:52:37.000 But isn't that interesting that years later, MMA fighters were fighting bare-knuckled?
01:52:42.000 Yeah.
01:52:43.000 Banned for life.
01:52:45.000 Both banned for life, Louis Resto and Panama Lewis.
01:52:47.000 And they both did time for assault.
01:52:49.000 Yeah.
01:52:50.000 And then Panama Lewis went to work with Tyson afterwards but couldn't work the corner.
01:52:54.000 Cannot work the corner.
01:52:54.000 Worked somehow in his camp but couldn't work the corner.
01:52:58.000 He can train guys.
01:52:59.000 He can't ever corner anybody.
01:53:00.000 So is he still doing that to this day?
01:53:02.000 To this day, he's still doing it.
01:53:04.000 Wow.
01:53:04.000 Louis Resto...
01:53:06.000 Billy Collins killed himself.
01:53:09.000 Spirled into depression, killed himself.
01:53:12.000 Louis Resto, in and out of trouble, homeless, drug addict, never got it.
01:53:17.000 I saw a documentary where he tried to talk to Billy Collins' dad and he wouldn't have it.
01:53:23.000 The mom forgave him.
01:53:25.000 The mom and sister forgave him, but the dad wouldn't have it.
01:53:29.000 He confessed during the thing, too, that they'd wrapped his hand in this plaster stuff. 0.99
01:53:34.000 The same shit that probably... 0.99
01:53:36.000 Margarito. 1.00
01:53:36.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:53:37.000 That Margarito shit. 1.00
01:53:38.000 That was in the fucking 2000s. 1.00
01:53:40.000 Bleeding out of his ears, bleeding out of his eyes, his mouth, his nose. 0.99
01:53:44.000 I mean, and then he... 0.99
01:53:45.000 That's fucking murder. 1.00
01:53:47.000 That's assault with a deadly weapon. 1.00
01:53:48.000 I don't get why...
01:53:49.000 And also, I never got why Louis Resto and Panama Lewis went to jail, banned for life.
01:53:54.000 Margarito gets caught trying to do the same thing, and it's not attempted assault.
01:53:58.000 Like, it's not...
01:53:58.000 You got suspension, but...
01:53:59.000 Dude, Louis Resto did time for that.
01:54:01.000 I mean, Panama Lewis did time for it. 0.98
01:54:03.000 It was Shane Mosey that beat the fuck out of him, right? 0.99
01:54:04.000 Beat the piss out of him. 1.00
01:54:06.000 After they found out they wouldn't let him use the wraps, they put new wraps, and he got the shit kicked out of him. 0.99
01:54:11.000 And it was almost like Shane was, like, torturing him. 0.98
01:54:14.000 Like, he was punishing him for that.
01:54:16.000 And that was a great fight for Shane.
01:54:19.000 That was Shane's last great fight, too, by the way.
01:54:21.000 Yeah, totally. 0.99
01:54:21.000 He fucking pistol-whipped him bad. 0.99
01:54:23.000 Apparently Shane's a little punchy now. 1.00
01:54:25.000 Yeah.
01:54:26.000 People who have talked to him and interviewing him now, they say that he had a few too many.
01:54:31.000 Probably that Margarito fight should have been the last one.
01:54:34.000 Didn't help.
01:54:35.000 But he fought Canelo after that.
01:54:36.000 He fought Mayweather.
01:54:37.000 Yeah.
01:54:38.000 Mayweather, Canelo.
01:54:39.000 But the Canelo one apparently was...
01:54:41.000 That was a beating.
01:54:42.000 That was a beating. 1.00
01:54:43.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00
01:54:44.000 And better all the time. 1.00
01:54:46.000 That Floyd Mayweather fight was a good fight for him.
01:54:48.000 It was. 1.00
01:54:48.000 Taught him a lot of shit. 1.00
01:54:50.000 When you're in with a guy like that that moves like Floyd does, until you see that, you don't know what the fuck that is. 1.00
01:54:56.000 You're not going to get that in training.
01:54:58.000 Who's going to be your sparring partner that's undefeated, world champion, one of the 8 or 10 best fighters that's ever walked the face of the planet?
01:55:06.000 The first time you see something, you don't want it to be in a fight.
01:55:09.000 You want to have seen that before at some point in training.
01:55:14.000 You know, I play chess.
01:55:17.000 Yeah, that's Billy Collins after the fight.
01:55:19.000 With his eyes open.
01:55:20.000 His eyes are open right now. 1.00
01:55:21.000 That's so fucked. 1.00
01:55:22.000 But that's as good as it would get. 1.00
01:55:23.000 Oh my god, that's so fucked. 1.00
01:55:26.000 That's so fucked. 1.00
01:55:28.000 Jesus. 1.00
01:55:29.000 Never the same.
01:55:30.000 Yeah, he went blind, right?
01:55:32.000 He lost some of his vision.
01:55:33.000 He lost some of his vision, and he was trying to sue.
01:55:37.000 He tried to sue, basically, the commission for not catching the gloves.
01:55:42.000 Because his dad, at the end of the fight, you see it.
01:55:45.000 Louis Resto goes up and shakes hands with Billy Collins' dad, who's his trainer, and he feels the glove.
01:55:51.000 And he goes, wait a second.
01:55:52.000 Hey, hey! 0.96
01:55:52.000 And he gets a commissioner, but he starts yelling, this glove's half the padding's out of it. 0.96
01:55:57.000 He shook hands and felt the glove.
01:55:59.000 And he tried to sue the Athletic Commission for letting Louis Resto fight with the padding removed from the glove and not protecting his son.
01:56:07.000 So it kept Billy Collins from fighting because they were suing.
01:56:10.000 And so he was just sitting around and just getting worse and got depressed and that was all she wrote.
01:56:16.000 Wow. 1.00
01:56:17.000 That's fucking shame. 1.00
01:56:19.000 Yeah, and Panama Lewis is the same fucking guy who gave Aaron Pryor that bottle he mixed, and he came out against Alexis Arguello and just supercharged. 1.00
01:56:30.000 Like, whatever it was, it was in that bottle. 0.98
01:56:32.000 Louis Resto said that he used to give him...
01:56:37.000 They were asthma pills.
01:56:38.000 Crushed up asthma pills.
01:56:39.000 So it would get your breathing back.
01:56:42.000 Basically amphetamines.
01:56:43.000 Crushed up amphetamines.
01:56:44.000 They used to treat asthma.
01:56:45.000 Isn't it interesting that both Aaron Pryor and...
01:56:48.000 Any more trivia?
01:56:48.000 Just let me know.
01:56:49.000 There you go.
01:56:50.000 Trivia master.
01:56:51.000 But both Aaron Pryor and Louis Resto became drug addicts.
01:56:54.000 Yeah.
01:56:55.000 Isn't that interesting?
01:56:56.000 And Alexis Arguello.
01:56:58.000 Did he really?
01:56:58.000 Big struggles with cocaine.
01:56:59.000 Really?
01:57:00.000 Big struggles.
01:57:01.000 Killed himself in Nicaragua.
01:57:03.000 Wasn't he like a politician in Nicaragua?
01:57:05.000 Yeah, there's some suspicion about his death.
01:57:09.000 Wasn't he like a gunshot wound to the chest?
01:57:11.000 Yeah, which is pretty weird for suicide.
01:57:13.000 Yeah.
01:57:13.000 But that's the official story out of Nicaragua, is that he killed himself.
01:57:16.000 Well, a lot of boxers, especially, they wind up with depression.
01:57:20.000 You know, from just a repeated trauma.
01:57:23.000 And cocaine.
01:57:25.000 Cocaine also.
01:57:26.000 Cocaine's no bueno.
01:57:29.000 Who was it?
01:57:31.000 Arturo Gatti.
01:57:33.000 I saw a thing about his supposed suicide. 0.99
01:57:35.000 Oh, that was no fucking suicide. 1.00
01:57:36.000 That bitch killed him. 1.00
01:57:37.000 But not once. 1.00
01:57:38.000 But what I thought was interesting.
01:57:40.000 I saw a very even-handed documentary about his alleged suicide slash murder or whatever you think.
01:57:46.000 And not once did they mention pugilistic dementia, which causes depression and suicidal tendencies. 0.99
01:57:52.000 They didn't once go, maybe he got hit in the head one too many fucking times. 0.99
01:57:56.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
01:57:57.000 They never once brought it up.
01:57:59.000 I thought it deserved mentioning that, you know, his brain had to be pudding at that point.
01:58:03.000 But didn't he have a big, wasn't there like at some point in time, wasn't there during the incident, whatever killed him, wasn't there a head trauma?
01:58:13.000 He had gotten in a fight that night.
01:58:15.000 That's why they argued.
01:58:16.000 He had gotten in a fight on the street in Brazil.
01:58:18.000 And they interviewed a cab driver.
01:58:20.000 The cab driver drove him from where the fight was to his apartment.
01:58:25.000 And the guy said, there was blood on the back of my seat.
01:58:28.000 They had beaten him up pretty good.
01:58:29.000 Like he had hit the ground and he had gotten in a fight with all these Brazilians. 0.99
01:58:33.000 He had been mouthing off at this club and his wife left him.
01:58:36.000 And that's why they were arguing that night.
01:58:37.000 And so he had gotten in a fight with like three dudes on the street.
01:58:40.000 So the cab driver said, yeah, there was blood on my seat.
01:58:43.000 He had, you know, nobody beat him.
01:58:46.000 And then we said, oh, she had people beat him up.
01:58:48.000 And no, he was beat up in the cab when he was in the back of my cab.
01:58:52.000 And then he was found on the ground, and the only thing that makes zero sense to me, zero, of all, the whole story I can see both sides of it, the only thing that makes zero sense is the wife claimed to have seen him in the morning and thought he was asleep.
01:59:05.000 If you see the photos of Arturo Gatti, which I have, on the ground, he's dead in a pool of his own blood.
01:59:13.000 Clearly.
01:59:14.000 Like, you couldn't walk past this and think he's okay.
01:59:16.000 And her story is that she saw him and thought he was alright. 0.95
01:59:20.000 You know, he always fucking sleep funny. 0.97
01:59:22.000 That's what they said. 0.99
01:59:23.000 He always used to pass out and fall asleep drunk.
01:59:26.000 I'm like, I don't know how you could walk past that and go, ah, he's fine.
01:59:31.000 You okay, honey?
01:59:32.000 You okay?
01:59:32.000 Alright, good.
01:59:33.000 I'll make some coffee.
01:59:34.000 And that's her story, but... 1.00
01:59:35.000 Hooked up with the wrong bitch. 1.00
01:59:37.000 It's a very interesting case, to say the least. 0.99
01:59:40.000 It's a sad case.
01:59:41.000 It's a very sad case.
01:59:43.000 But, you know, when she got out of jail, did you ever see the photos of her out of jail?
01:59:47.000 She was, like, smiling and laughing when they released her.
01:59:49.000 She was so happy.
01:59:51.000 Yeah, that was...
01:59:52.000 Family was not pleased about that one.
01:59:54.000 Although if I got let out of a Brazilian jail for any reason, I'd be smiling and happy too.
02:00:01.000 That's a good point.
02:00:02.000 I don't hold that so much against me because I'd be thrilled that I'm not indicted for murder in Brazil.
02:00:08.000 I'd be thrilled. 0.97
02:00:09.000 Isn't it kind of fucked up that he was a guy who was sort of... 0.99
02:00:27.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:00:29.000 Yeah.
02:00:37.000 It wasn't an awesome fight, but Mickey Ward wasn't going to be a world champion.
02:00:41.000 Arturo Gatti, he had a title at one point in time, but he wasn't going to be the best in the world.
02:00:46.000 Everyone knew.
02:00:47.000 And that was the thing about boxers is we always wanted to see an undefeated fighter.
02:00:51.000 And we always wanted to see a guy fight for the title.
02:00:53.000 The thing about Rocky Marciano was always that Marciano died 49-0.
02:00:58.000 He was the best.
02:01:00.000 Marciano never lost.
02:01:01.000 Well, in boxing, that was like the first...
02:01:11.000 You know, what's different in combat sports that's Unique in combat sports.
02:01:18.000 It's different than in other, especially team sports.
02:01:22.000 Popularity and ability just don't go together.
02:01:25.000 The best guy isn't the most popular guy.
02:01:27.000 And Arturo Gatti was that guy that I would pay to watch that guy fight no matter what, no matter when, even though there were much better guys out there.
02:01:36.000 Watching Arturo Gatti fight was really something special.
02:01:38.000 And when he got with Mickey Ward and they had that amazing trilogy...
02:01:43.000 The problem is Gotti...
02:01:44.000 I mean, did you see the Mayweather fight?
02:01:46.000 That was, like, humili...
02:01:47.000 That was, like, hard to watch.
02:01:49.000 That's hard to watch.
02:01:50.000 He had just too many after that, after the Mickey Ward trilogy.
02:01:53.000 Yeah, it was also Gotti had already taken a lot of punishment in his career.
02:01:56.000 He wasn't...
02:01:57.000 He just had no business being in the ring with Mayweather.
02:01:59.000 Mayweather's way too sharp.
02:02:01.000 In his prime.
02:02:02.000 Yeah.
02:02:03.000 I mean, I think Mayweather's better.
02:02:04.000 I mean, he was so sharp then.
02:02:06.000 Unbelievable.
02:02:06.000 He's still sharp.
02:02:07.000 He's amazing now.
02:02:08.000 I don't even know why I'm saying this.
02:02:09.000 He's amazing now, but even like a younger, even faster version of Mayweather, he just killed him.
02:02:15.000 So good.
02:02:15.000 You know what's really incredible?
02:02:16.000 It's fucking Hopkins winning a world title at 49. That's one of the weirdest examples in boxing of all time. 0.96
02:02:22.000 You want to talk about a guy that just never faded off.
02:02:25.000 No.
02:02:26.000 Still wicked good.
02:02:27.000 I mean, knock that Russian dude down in the 10th round at 49. But style-wise, he's the kind of guy, if you looked at all his fights, the big knock on Hopkins is he never took a lot of risks.
02:02:38.000 He's never taking damage.
02:02:39.000 He's fighting at 50 because he never took those...
02:02:42.000 And talks great.
02:02:44.000 Yeah, his brain is in pudding.
02:02:46.000 I'm just amazed that his body is holding up.
02:02:48.000 It doesn't look totally the same.
02:02:50.000 He doesn't look as muscular.
02:02:52.000 He's a little more smooth.
02:02:53.000 He looks a little more soft.
02:02:54.000 But not much of a difference.
02:02:56.000 I think that's part of the reason he's moving up in weight class a lot.
02:02:58.000 Is...
02:03:00.000 Speed is the first thing to go.
02:03:02.000 I think he realizes, I can beat these cruisers.
02:03:05.000 I can out-slick these cruisers.
02:03:06.000 I don't know if he'd do that against Gennady Golovkin, guys at middleweight, super middleweight, Andre Ward.
02:03:12.000 Those guys are fast.
02:03:13.000 I think he's smart.
02:03:15.000 He's a really smart guy.
02:03:16.000 His boxing IQ is amazing.
02:03:18.000 I think he realizes, I move up, I can out-slick these guys.
02:03:21.000 That's a good point.
02:03:22.000 Super middleweight.
02:03:23.000 The last guy that he had real problems with was Jermaine Taylor.
02:03:26.000 Jermaine Taylor was way fast.
02:03:28.000 160. 160, lightning fast, and then, you know, look at the performances that he's had at light heavyweight, and, you know, look at, what's his name, from Pittsburgh, the white kid?
02:03:43.000 Kelly Pavlik?
02:03:44.000 Kelly Pavlik, yeah.
02:03:45.000 He's from Youngstown, Ohio.
02:03:47.000 Youngstown.
02:03:47.000 Kelly Pavlik was a slower guy, you know, and Kelly Pavlik didn't have that sort of athleticism.
02:03:52.000 Made him look like a fool. 0.99
02:03:54.000 It was a beautiful performance. 1.00
02:03:56.000 Made him look ridiculous for 12 rounds. 0.78
02:03:58.000 And everybody was shocked that he was doing it at, what, like 43 back then? 0.93
02:04:01.000 It was like, this is incredible.
02:04:03.000 Six years later, you would think there's no way he's going to win a world title six years from then.
02:04:07.000 But I think that's why he's moving up and staying in these weight classes where he doesn't worry about that kind of speed.
02:04:11.000 Yeah, that's a good point, man.
02:04:13.000 That's the hardest thing to deal with at that age.
02:04:14.000 Yeah, that's a good point.
02:04:16.000 He's so good at being in the right place to make a guy move.
02:04:21.000 You know how you see a guy, like today, there was one point in time where Cub Swanson winds up and I'm seeing him getting ready to throw a kick.
02:04:31.000 It's because we've seen a guy getting ready to throw a kick.
02:04:33.000 We've seen the subtle changes in when a guy's getting ready to throw a kick.
02:04:36.000 And you could spot it.
02:04:37.000 Bernard Hopkins, he's seen so many guys in front of him do things.
02:04:42.000 So many guys try to hit him with punches.
02:04:44.000 He knows what they're going to do before they know what they're going to do.
02:04:47.000 So when he's stepping and forcing guys into positions where he knows what they're going to do once they get into that position, they don't even know what they're going to do.
02:04:55.000 He's like two and three steps ahead of them.
02:04:57.000 So because of that boxing knowledge that he has, you get to see this really pure execution of boxing from him.
02:05:09.000 Dismantling.
02:05:09.000 The executioner.
02:05:11.000 Not anymore.
02:05:12.000 Now he's the alien.
02:05:13.000 I had to say that.
02:05:14.000 He's the alien.
02:05:15.000 Be through the softball.
02:05:16.000 I gotta hit it.
02:05:16.000 Yeah.
02:05:17.000 He wears a rubber mask.
02:05:18.000 He goes into the ring with a rubber... 1.00
02:05:21.000 He wears a rubber fucking alien mask. 1.00
02:05:25.000 He calls himself the alien. 0.99
02:05:26.000 This is officially the longest podcast we've ever done. 0.99
02:05:28.000 It's fucking five hours, boys. 1.00
02:05:30.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
02:05:30.000 Seriously? 1.00
02:05:31.000 It's midnight.
02:05:31.000 It's after midnight.
02:05:32.000 Wow.
02:05:32.000 Yeah, so people listening, they've been trying to get us to stop forever.
02:05:36.000 It's over, folks.
02:05:37.000 Go on, go to sleep.
02:05:38.000 We're having a sleepover.
02:05:39.000 Follow Jimmy on Twitter.
02:05:41.000 It's JimmySmithMMA.
02:05:43.000 Know it.
02:05:44.000 And follow Ian on Twitter, but it's not Ian.
02:05:47.000 It is UncleCreepyMMA.
02:05:49.000 And UncleCreepyMMA also on Instagram, where you can see him wrestle with a 500-pound barrel.
02:05:54.000 Yes.
02:05:55.000 And you will see him July...
02:05:57.000 19th.
02:05:58.000 Taking on Brad Pickett.
02:06:01.000 And dominating in his flyweight bout.
02:06:04.000 Yes.
02:06:05.000 July 19th in Dublin.
02:06:07.000 In Dublin.
02:06:08.000 Yeah, Dublin, Ireland. 1.00
02:06:09.000 Great fucking place to do a fight. 0.99
02:06:10.000 I know, it's gonna be fun. 0.99
02:06:11.000 I gotta bring you a new shirt.
02:06:13.000 I'll bring you both shirts. 1.00
02:06:14.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99
02:06:14.000 I'm in, dude. 0.99
02:06:15.000 I'm in, I'm in.
02:06:16.000 I ripped off the Fighting Irish shirt.
02:06:19.000 Glorious.
02:06:19.000 Yeah, it's glorious.
02:06:20.000 Alright, well, thank you guys.
02:06:22.000 It was a lot of fun.
02:06:23.000 Thank you for the invite.
02:06:25.000 Awesome, awesome fight.
02:06:26.000 Cub Swanson and Jeremy Stevens was great.
02:06:28.000 There's Bernard Hopkins coming out with his alien outfit.
02:06:30.000 What?
02:06:31.000 Oh, that's hilarious.
02:06:34.000 Alright, my friends, we'll be back on Monday with Crash from the Float Lab. 1.00
02:06:39.000 And until then, go fuck yourselves, alright? 1.00
02:06:42.000 Big kiss. 1.00
02:06:47.000 How is this going loud?
02:06:48.000 I'm going to try.