The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience - Podcast In Paradise (Audio Only)

00:00:02.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:04.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

00:00:15.000 And we're live in paradise, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:18.000 To my left, powerful Ben O'Brien.

00:00:22.000 Lad, how are ya?

00:00:25.000 Wonderful time of the morning to you.

00:00:27.000 To his left, powerful Sam Zuholt, the maker of the great bus, the hunting bus.

00:00:35.000 Jesus.

00:00:36.000 To his left, powerful John Dudley, archer extraordinaire and teacher of many great people.

00:00:44.000 And to his left, big wave surfer, Shane Dorian.

00:00:49.000 We're all here in Lanai.

00:00:52.000 We've been on this epic bow hunting trip and we figured we'd grace you fine folks with a podcast.

00:01:01.000 We've had a couple of beverages. 0.99

00:01:02.000 We're out here enjoying the beach and having a great fucking time. 1.00

00:01:06.000 Boys? 1.00

00:01:08.000 Amazing time.

00:01:09.000 Can't say enough about it.

00:01:13.000 Are you Instagram-storing this?

00:01:18.000 John Dudley's Insta-storing this.

00:01:20.000 We're going to do what's called a Swapcast.

00:01:22.000 So this will be available on my podcast, and John will get a copy of it too.

00:01:27.000 So it'll be on Knock On, which is the premier archery podcast.

00:01:31.000 If you're not listening, you're probably not really slinging arrows, are you?

00:01:35.000 Well, they'll sling it.

00:01:37.000 Just not doing them correctly.

00:01:38.000 Actually, I had a guy, and he tagged me, you, and Cam in this picture, and he had eBayed a Hoyt.

00:01:47.000 I don't know if you saw that picture, but he tagged us both, and he was holding up this bow, and he said, it's about ready to get effing serious.

00:01:58.000 I mean, this guy never shot.

00:02:00.000 Have you finally got one off of eBay?

00:02:03.000 The JRE lesseners, they are getting into some bows.

00:02:07.000 So eBay bow prices are going up.

00:02:11.000 Neighbors' insurance policies are also going up.

00:02:17.000 There's a lot of dogs that are hiding under the porch.

00:02:20.000 And based on this hunt, air prices brought in prices.

00:02:25.000 So let's explain this place.

00:02:30.000 Shane, you talked about it on my podcast, and it is maybe the epic bow hunting destination on the planet Earth.

00:02:39.000 The cat's going to be out of the bag after everybody hears this, huh?

00:02:42.000 That's the problem, right?

00:02:43.000 We should shut up.

00:02:44.000 We should say, listen, whatever you do, don't go to Lanai. 1.00

00:02:47.000 Because it sucks. 0.99

00:02:48.000 People are not friendly. 0.99

00:02:49.000 The weather sucks. 0.94

00:02:51.000 It's ugly to look at. 0.98

00:02:52.000 And there's no deer.

00:02:53.000 There's zero deer.

00:02:55.000 They ran out of beer like two days ago.

00:02:57.000 They ran out of beer.

00:02:58.000 Tequila's gone.

00:02:59.000 And the tequila only comes in once a month.

00:03:02.000 And they bring in a rowboat.

00:03:05.000 It's just in shooter sizes.

00:03:06.000 Yeah, and an angry sailor drops it off at the beach.

00:03:11.000 You have to go get it.

00:03:13.000 Yeah, it is like one of those tricky things where it's like you have to think, how much do I really want to talk about this?

00:03:21.000 If you're a hunter, you appreciate it.

00:03:23.000 If you're not a hunter, you're thinking, what the hell, if it's cool, talk about it.

00:03:28.000 When I flew in, I actually asked a guy on the plane, I said, is there any cool places to try to surf?

00:03:37.000 I said, because I'm actually wanting to get some lessons on how to surf.

00:03:42.000 And the guy said...

00:03:44.000 Well, I don't know if you're going to have anyone good to teach you on this island.

00:03:48.000 I said, well, I've got a pretty good guy coming in.

00:03:50.000 And he said, well, if there are good waves, no one here would actually tell you where they are.

00:03:58.000 So it's relevant to what we're doing, right?

00:04:01.000 I mean, if you have a good thing...

00:04:04.000 That's a problem, right?

00:04:06.000 You want to tell everyone how cool it was?

00:04:13.000 What's that guy's name?

00:04:15.000 Shout out his name.

00:04:16.000 What does it say?

00:04:17.000 Your friend Gavin.

00:04:18.000 Your friend Gavin. 1.00

00:04:19.000 Shit's just got manly as fuck. 1.00

00:04:20.000 Hashtag archery. 1.00

00:04:21.000 Hashtag movie.

00:04:24.000 That's hilarious.

00:04:26.000 Good for him.

00:04:27.000 Yeah, check him out.

00:04:31.000 Your friend Gavin just gave you a big shout out, bro.

00:04:37.000 Thanks for getting into archery.

00:04:39.000 That's legit.

00:04:40.000 Don't shoot your neighbor or his dog.

00:04:42.000 Yeah, definitely go to a safe area.

00:04:44.000 Well, that's really a problem.

00:04:47.000 There's not enough safe areas.

00:04:49.000 I mean, you would think that L.A., with a place that has 20 million-plus people, plus Mexicans, I think there's...

00:04:56.000 The numbers, like how many humans?

00:05:01.000 There should be more archery spots.

00:05:03.000 There's a few spots.

00:05:04.000 There's like maybe in the entire Los Angeles metropolitan area, there might be four or five.

00:05:09.000 Impact Archery is a big spot.

00:05:11.000 You go down there, right?

00:05:11.000 That's San Diego?

00:05:13.000 I go to...

00:05:14.000 Bob Fromm?

00:05:15.000 Yeah, there's one called Performance Archery.

00:05:17.000 Oh, Performance.

00:05:17.000 Where's Impact?

00:05:18.000 No, it's really good.

00:05:19.000 What's Impact Archery?

00:05:20.000 Impact is... 0.99

00:05:22.000 Crap, I forgot his name. 1.00

00:05:24.000 He's mad. 1.00

00:05:25.000 Is that Vegas?

00:05:26.000 Yeah, that's Bob Fromm.

00:05:27.000 Oh, Impact is in Big Performance.

00:05:30.000 Is that the Vegas spot?

00:05:30.000 This is a terrible time to really pin me down on.

00:05:34.000 I would Google it, but we're recording this podcast through my phone.

00:05:38.000 I think that's the place we go to in Vegas.

00:05:40.000 I'm pretty sure it is, in fact.

00:05:42.000 I don't know.

00:05:42.000 I mean, feel free to Google it.

00:05:44.000 Impact Archery in Vegas.

00:05:46.000 I live in Austin, Texas.

00:05:47.000 We've got one bow shop that's worth anything.

00:05:49.000 I think you have a new place, though, right?

00:05:52.000 Isn't there a spot?

00:05:53.000 Archery Country.

00:05:53.000 It's been around for a while, but it's under new ownership, and it's pretty crazy.

00:05:56.000 Pretty good.

00:05:58.000 Do you not have the Google app here?

00:06:01.000 I'm looking at your phone and I'm so confused because I'm used to my phone.

00:06:04.000 You just go to Safari and type on the top.

00:06:06.000 What is this mess?

00:06:10.000 Impact Archery.

00:06:11.000 For those of you listening, we're actually in Joe Rogan's Yeah, it's famous.

00:06:17.000 Looking out, there's a pair of binoculars here. 0.99

00:06:20.000 They suck. 0.98

00:06:20.000 Which actually suck, but we're looking, if we look across that way like 2,000 miles, how many miles is it? 0.98

00:06:29.000 6,000 miles to Tokyo.

00:06:31.000 6,000 miles to Tokyo?

00:06:34.000 I'm so glad we have Shane Dorian in here because he's got the true logistics I can't say enough about that.

00:06:48.000 We probably should tell, without really giving a whole bunch of eye details, how this became a thing.

00:06:54.000 Like how the hunt became, where the conversation began.

00:06:58.000 Let me just...

00:06:59.000 I'm going to play this because...

00:07:05.000 Let's set the stage.

00:07:07.000 I'm going to go way back, way before this, what you're about to hear.

00:07:10.000 And we apologize for what you're about to hear.

00:07:13.000 Shane and I hunted together in New Zealand last year.

00:07:17.000 Around this time.

00:07:18.000 And as we're tooling around New Zealand hunting, he mentions when we're talking about Hawaii, we're talking about elk hunting, we're just kind of covering all the best spots in the world.

00:07:26.000 And he said something to me like, Lanai is the best deer hunting you'll ever find.

00:07:31.000 Bar none.

00:07:32.000 There's nothing different. 1.00

00:07:33.000 And you're like, bullshit. 1.00

00:07:34.000 And I was, bullshit. 1.00

00:07:36.000 I'm checking it out. 0.98

00:07:39.000 And then you said the same thing on Joe's podcast.

00:07:42.000 And Dudley heard the same thing.

00:07:44.000 So Dudley and Joe and I were having a nice dinner in Vegas.

00:07:49.000 A lovely dinner.

00:07:51.000 With Joe's friend Andy Stump.

00:07:53.000 Shout out to Andy for crashing our dinner in the most epic way possible.

00:07:58.000 So we're having dinner.

00:07:59.000 Andy orders about, I want to say half a dozen tequila shots.

00:08:04.000 We get a little bit excited.

00:08:05.000 Then he orders a half dozen more tequila shots.

00:08:09.000 And then he finishes it off with six more tequila shots.

00:08:13.000 So at that point, we came up with this.

00:08:17.000 This was actually our FaceTime to Shane Dorian.

00:08:23.000 He wouldn't answer, so we actually recorded this.

00:08:27.000 We wanted to send a message.

00:08:28.000 So here was the message to Shane Dorian.

00:08:32.000 Shane Dorian, we're looking to come to Hawaii and experience Axis deer hunting on Lanai.

00:08:50.000 Access to your whacking.

00:08:51.000 Noon 2 until we fall asleep.

00:08:54.000 Food and trick.

00:09:03.000 First of all, listening to that while fairly sober, it's amazing how slow my voice was.

00:09:10.000 I was clearly, like if I was talking to a cop, if I was a cop, I'd just throw me right in jail.

00:09:17.000 You were wrestling those syllables like they were crocodiles.

00:09:22.000 Crocodiles are too grippy.

00:09:23.000 It would be more like some sort of a slimy eel.

00:09:28.000 I had this, someone sent me this message on my phone years ago.

00:09:32.000 It was a cartoon.

00:09:34.000 They redid the original, remember the Rudolph cartoon?

00:09:38.000 Or the original Rudolph thing that everyone would want to watch?

00:09:41.000 The Playmation was?

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 Where's the bottle opener?

00:09:44.000 Geez, you're so stressed out.

00:09:47.000 Just looking for the bottle opener.

00:09:51.000 A clay animation of that Santa Claus being pulled over for drunk driving, but he had a bunch of coke in his sleigh.

00:09:59.000 Have you guys ever seen it?

00:10:01.000 No.

00:10:01.000 He's like, what's wrong, Othifer?

00:10:05.000 It was hilarious, but that's pretty much how this whole hunt started.

00:10:09.000 Was a very...

00:10:11.000 Was a Santa Claus?

00:10:16.000 Well, we were in Vegas for SHOT Show, and one of the cool things about SHOT Show is you get down there, and there's a bunch of other people that are into hunting, and everybody starts talking.

00:10:24.000 You're like, man, we've got to do something.

00:10:26.000 We've got to figure out a hunt.

00:10:29.000 Look, we've got one more day tomorrow morning.

00:10:33.000 You guys are going to hunt this afternoon.

00:10:35.000 I can't, because I'm here with the family, and I have multiple obligations.

00:10:41.000 Next time I might have to leave them behind.

00:10:44.000 I didn't say that.

00:10:45.000 Jessica, if you're listening to this.

00:10:47.000 I think that this is one of the coolest places on earth where you can bow hunt.

00:10:51.000 It really is.

00:10:51.000 It's a classic picture.

00:10:53.000 It's hard to beat it.

00:10:54.000 It really is.

00:10:54.000 I mean, you can just empty your quiver in an hour.

00:11:02.000 Or me.

00:11:04.000 It's epic, right?

00:11:06.000 Tons of deer, lots of action, perfect bowhunting terrain.

00:11:09.000 Yeah, in all seriousness, once you're here, you feel like, man, this is an important place.

00:11:13.000 These kind of places are important for hunting.

00:11:16.000 Yeah, there's just not a whole lot of spots like this on the planet that are pristine.

00:11:21.000 I mean, this is...

00:11:22.000 It's hard to get here.

00:11:24.000 That's one of the beautiful things about it.

00:11:27.000 It's easy to get to Honolulu.

00:11:28.000 It's a little more difficult to get to Maui.

00:11:30.000 It's way more difficult to get here.

00:11:33.000 And that's what keeps people from coming, I guess.

00:11:35.000 There's such a cool story, though, to the island.

00:11:38.000 The island was originally...

00:11:40.000 You know, really the revenue came from pineapples and it was a pineapple plantation.

00:11:45.000 And when we're, like my knuckles are bloody.

00:11:47.000 I don't know if your guys are from crawling around my knees and my knuckles are bloody, but everywhere you go there's like little one inch wide plastic pipe on the ground.

00:11:57.000 That was all the irrigation, all the, you know, all the irrigation for the pineapples.

00:12:02.000 And he told us today that they actually, They buried that plastic, a lot of the black plastic that you see where they've now ground it up because they took the pineapples out.

00:12:16.000 He said the plastic was seven feet under the top of the soil so that the moisture stayed between the top of the soil and the plastic so that the pineapples would actually grow.

00:12:30.000 That's interesting because everywhere you walk, you do see that black plastic kind of popping up.

00:12:34.000 He said they've tried to get rid of it, but he said it was seven feet under the topsoil.

00:12:41.000 Yeah, Pineapple Island is what the reference is for the island.

00:12:49.000 Axis meat historically has been argued as the most Pure, tasteful meat on the planet.

00:12:58.000 It's so delicious.

00:12:59.000 Just what they serve at the hotel, those Axis meat sliders. 0.69

00:13:04.000 It's pretty cool because here at the hotel, when they say venison burgers, back in the States when they say venison, we're thinking whitetail.

00:13:11.000 But here when they say venison, it specifically is Axis that's native to the island and everything that they're serving here at the hotel is Axis. 0.73

00:13:21.000 Yeah.

00:13:21.000 Let's talk about that real quick because...

00:13:24.000 When you get venison in America, you're mostly getting it from New Zealand.

00:13:28.000 You're getting venison that is commercially raised.

00:13:32.000 A tremendous amount of elk and venison that you buy in America comes from New Zealand.

00:13:36.000 Do they classify elk as a venison too?

00:13:38.000 Yeah, I think they do sometimes.

00:13:40.000 Elk is venison, red deer is venison, all deer.

00:13:42.000 I didn't know that.

00:13:44.000 When I went to a restaurant, I went to a restaurant that's near my house, and this guy, it was a really nice restaurant, and they're like, we have elk from New Zealand.

00:13:53.000 They're making it like it's a big deal.

00:13:55.000 I'm like, ugh.

00:13:57.000 I know you brought it all the way over there. 0.99

00:13:59.000 This poor elk are in some high-fence bullshit operation. 0.97

00:14:02.000 Okay, okay. 0.99

00:14:04.000 Congratulations.

00:14:05.000 Stacy, yeah, this elk tastes like sadness. 0.99

00:14:07.000 Yeah, you bring it over a slave that you shot in the head.

00:14:10.000 No, I mean, there's the red deer and the stag.

00:14:14.000 It's not elk in New Zealand.

00:14:15.000 It's red deer.

00:14:16.000 Yeah.

00:14:17.000 And they're farmed over there like cattle.

00:14:19.000 Yeah.

00:14:19.000 And they're shipped not only to the States, less to the States and more to Europe and Germany, places like that.

00:14:23.000 Well, one thing that that place has in common with this place is no predators.

00:14:27.000 New Zealand and Lanai, it's a very strange situation where they brought over these animals that are not native.

00:14:35.000 Whether it's in New Zealand, there's the stag and then there's red deer and a few other different... 0.78

00:14:41.000 They're pigs in New Zealand? 1.00

00:14:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:44.000 They do now?

00:14:45.000 Yeah.

00:14:46.000 All those animals are invasive, so they go crazy and they have to control their populations.

00:14:54.000 When I was down there, we were talking about the difference between the states and here, and they were talking about their need to, you know, the outfitter community there wants to make money.

00:15:03.000 Of course, but they also want to conserve and protect that population of wildlife.

00:15:06.000 Their problem is the population on that island doesn't value the wildlife.

00:15:12.000 They see them all as feral.

00:15:13.000 I mean, they see shammy and they see tar, Himalayan tar, and they see red stags as a feral population or a non-native mammal that they shoot at wholesale.

00:15:24.000 So they jump in a helicopter, they fly around, they shoot these animals, and what these guys are saying is, At this point, they might as well be indigenous. 0.60

00:15:32.000 I mean, these are the animals that we have here.

00:15:34.000 We need to protect them and treat them like a resource and value them, which gives them a better chance to live on.

00:15:39.000 Well, the tourism in New Zealand, how much of it is based on hunting?

00:15:43.000 It's got to be quite a chunk of it.

00:15:45.000 A good chunk of it, but what they've done over there, I think, not to put a negative spin on it, but they take a lot of our...

00:15:52.000 American sensibilities, because I think most clients that go over there, some European, but the bulk of them are American.

00:15:57.000 They've taken our American sensibilities and they've kind of turned it against us a little bit.

00:16:00.000 There's a lot of high fenced red stag.

00:16:02.000 There's a lot of like, come down here and shoot this $20,000 animal, which is akin to...

00:16:09.000 Throw them back to our trophy hunting.

00:16:11.000 But there also is a lot of public land and there's a lot of awesome places to hunt, which I think more folks are starting to find out.

00:16:16.000 There's a lot of both.

00:16:16.000 That's just kind of like the dirty little secret of theirs.

00:16:19.000 There's a lot of high fence, like every single one of those really big red stags that everybody sees and goes, wow, look at that New Zealand stag.

00:16:25.000 It's the same thing in South Africa.

00:16:26.000 They're all on farms.

00:16:27.000 Yeah.

00:16:28.000 Not to say that's completely a negative thing, but it's weird.

00:16:34.000 It's weird.

00:16:34.000 It's a different mentality.

00:16:36.000 And it's also, at the same time, you're looking at an island that has so much diverse public lands.

00:16:41.000 I mean, you can be in the center of the South Island.

00:16:43.000 It looks like high desert Nevada.

00:16:45.000 You can go to the East Coast and it looks like the Brooks Range of Alaska, where we were last year, Shane.

00:16:50.000 And then you go to the West Coast and it looks like Jurassic Park.

00:16:54.000 And New Zealand, they don't have any tags, and you can hunt a goose with a rifle, right?

00:17:01.000 I don't know about any goose rifle tags, but yes.

00:17:04.000 There's no tags.

00:17:05.000 There's some areas where there are paradise ducks.

00:17:07.000 What's a paradise duck?

00:17:09.000 So it's a really cool looking waterfowl bird that a ton of the major waterfowlers go down there to shoot those specifically.

00:17:17.000 They go down and they want to shoot the pear.

00:17:19.000 Is it bad that I want to eat one when I hear its name?

00:17:22.000 Paradise duck.

00:17:23.000 Is that on the menu?

00:17:25.000 I'll be the judge of that.

00:17:30.000 But it's like here.

00:17:31.000 I mean, it compares to here.

00:17:32.000 The islands, these islands are closed ecosystems.

00:17:34.000 So whatever you drop in here stays here.

00:17:37.000 Unless these axis deer in this case or the red stags learn how to swim, this is a big 140 square miles of high fence.

00:17:43.000 Whoa, look at that duck. 1.00

00:17:44.000 That's crazy.

00:17:46.000 Showing a paradise duck.

00:17:48.000 Yeah, this is an audio-only podcast.

00:17:51.000 The rare audio-only podcast, ladies and gentlemen.

00:17:54.000 That's a cool-looking duck, though, man. 0.99

00:17:56.000 It looks like a chicken fucked a duck. 0.99

00:18:00.000 Doesn't it? 1.00

00:18:02.000 Like a rooster was like, bitch, I'll show you who's boss. 1.00

00:18:07.000 I want to shoot that thing in New Zealand. 1.00

00:18:09.000 No tag. 0.99

00:18:10.000 Duck Seeds is a big thing.

00:18:11.000 For sure.

00:18:12.000 We were there last year when opening Duck Seeds.

00:18:14.000 It actually looks way cooler when it's in flight because you get to see the full colors.

00:18:17.000 Oh, wow.

00:18:19.000 Well, how beautiful are these Axis deer?

00:18:22.000 Amazing.

00:18:24.000 I actually- The height is crazy.

00:18:25.000 Well Sam, you're a photographer.

00:18:27.000 Yeah, I mean it's like, photographing them is next level.

00:18:30.000 I mean I've shot photos of a ton of elk and deer, like whitetail and mule deer and all sorts of stuff, but like it's so hot that the fur is so thin and just like the entire thing looks sleek and like the spots and everything.

00:18:41.000 It's just, it's crazy.

00:18:43.000 And for a little history on Sam, Sam and Ben and I met up in BC. It was almost three years ago, right?

00:18:50.000 Yeah, it was three years ago.

00:18:51.000 Closing on it.

00:18:51.000 We were talking about some stories today.

00:18:54.000 We had a great time in BC, but that epic cover of Peterson's hunting magazine with me carrying that moose leg.

00:19:04.000 Did you take that picture?

00:19:05.000 Yes, you did.

00:19:06.000 Sam's a badass photographer.

00:19:08.000 Actually, for my school, I want a signed picture from you.

00:19:11.000 That's the one I want.

00:19:13.000 Can I get that?

00:19:14.000 I would love that cover.

00:19:16.000 Sam, what's your Instagram page?

00:19:17.000 Because you've got a lot of awesome photographs.

00:19:19.000 Yeah, it's just my name, so it's just at Sam Sohol.

00:19:22.000 S-O-H-O-L-T. So Holt.

00:19:26.000 So Holt.

00:19:27.000 And then you can see the epic bus.

00:19:30.000 Sam's got the bus rolling.

00:19:32.000 Yeah.

00:19:32.000 That is so cool.

00:19:33.000 Explain that bus, because that bus is so cool.

00:19:35.000 We were talking about it at lunch today.

00:19:36.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 So I bought a 1993 65 passenger Bluebird school bus.

00:19:43.000 You're in your ear, baby.

00:19:44.000 I like how the year matters.

00:19:46.000 It's like 1993. I like that.

00:19:47.000 I think that's a part of the story.

00:19:49.000 Well, he got a sweet deal.

00:19:51.000 George Bush's second term.

00:19:56.000 No, yeah, I did get a sweet deal.

00:19:58.000 I found it on Craigslist, just south of Fort Collins, Colorado, and basically bought it almost directly from a school district, but they had totally rebuilt the engine and transmission, so it's like ready to go.

00:20:11.000 Yeah.

00:20:11.000 How many miles did it have on the rebuild?

00:20:13.000 So on the body it was 189,000 and then 20,000 miles on the rebuild.

00:20:18.000 So did you have any suspension work or axles?

00:20:22.000 I haven't yet.

00:20:23.000 It's pretty stiff.

00:20:25.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:20:26.000 It's more bumpy.

00:20:26.000 Where are we going on it?

00:20:28.000 Where do you want to go?

00:20:29.000 He's got bunk beds.

00:20:30.000 I want to go hunting.

00:20:31.000 I'll be able to sleep five in the bus, but then I'm also going to have a 10 by 20 wall tent that sits up next to it, so we can sleep as many as we want.

00:20:39.000 And the wall tent, you're going to have hot water that pumps into the wall tent so you can actually take showers.

00:20:45.000 Yeah, so I'm going to have a wood stove in the wall tent to warm it up, and then the tankless hot water heater will be connected to the end of the kitchen, and I'll run it out the window so you can take a hot shower in a heated wall tent.

00:20:57.000 And you talked about this while we're in BC. Yeah, so the bus idea.

00:21:01.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

00:21:03.000 The original idea was to do a 12-state turkey tour in a bus.

00:21:11.000 My brother and his business partner and I came up with this scheme, and then it just ate at me.

00:21:17.000 I was like, I need to get a bus.

00:21:20.000 How many people have ever said that?

00:21:22.000 I need to get a bus.

00:21:24.000 You know, like if you're driving down the road, like one would drive by, and like every one, I was like, oh, it's a good looking bus.

00:21:30.000 It's such a good idea, though, for getting around, going hunting, doing hunting trips.

00:21:33.000 Yeah, and it's going to be, so I ripped all the seats out and totally converting it into my little hunting shack.

00:21:39.000 It's an awesome idea.

00:21:40.000 Yeah, so spending the next year in a bus. 0.93

00:21:43.000 Isn't that funny how when you get something in your head that you are really into, and then you start walking into it, and other people are like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

00:21:51.000 For me, it's like 1990s, 80s series Land Cruisers.

00:21:56.000 Because it's the last years where they had the front and rear solid axles, and those trucks can drive anywhere.

00:22:03.000 And they're not glamorous.

00:22:04.000 They don't look good.

00:22:06.000 Nope. 1.00

00:22:06.000 Those fuckers never die. 1.00

00:22:09.000 You go everywhere. 1.00

00:22:10.000 You see 80 series Land Cruisers.

00:22:12.000 They're indestructible.

00:22:14.000 There's one here.

00:22:15.000 Yes, of course there is.

00:22:17.000 Those solid axles. 0.96

00:22:19.000 Dude, you'll find them on eBay with fucking 200,000 miles on them and they're 50 grand. 0.98

00:22:24.000 Or maybe 30. I might have exaggerated. 0.99

00:22:28.000 But they are, man.

00:22:31.000 There's something about those.

00:22:33.000 And so I'd be like, that's an 80 series. 0.99

00:22:35.000 My wife would be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? 1.00

00:22:37.000 It's an old Toyota. 0.99

00:22:38.000 I'm like, no, no, no.

00:22:39.000 It's an old Land Cruiser.

00:22:41.000 Do you understand? 1.00

00:22:42.000 There's a time when they were making these fucking cars that will go on forever. 0.99

00:22:48.000 And then they figured out you don't make any money making cars that go on forever. 0.99

00:22:53.000 People driving for 30 years.

00:22:55.000 Yeah.

00:22:56.000 That's the same thing they figured out in Europe though when it comes to like gas.

00:23:00.000 You go there and like our Toyotas there, they call them the Toyota Helix.

00:23:05.000 Yeah.

00:23:06.000 Whereas we're driving a Tacoma or you drive Tundra.

00:23:09.000 Yeah.

00:23:09.000 They get like 60 miles of the gallon and they have a diesel engine.

00:23:13.000 Yeah.

00:23:14.000 You cannot buy that.

00:23:16.000 Hilux?

00:23:17.000 Hilux?

00:23:17.000 I think it's a U. It's a Hilux.

00:23:20.000 H-I-L-U-X. I call it a helix. 1.00

00:23:22.000 You can do whatever you want, man.

00:23:24.000 I think it's up to you.

00:23:25.000 You're the biggest one here. 0.99

00:23:26.000 You can do whatever you fucking want, John. 0.99

00:23:29.000 Well, it's a high loss is what they call it, but yeah. 0.99

00:23:34.000 The more you know.

00:23:35.000 You know Neil Young?

00:23:36.000 He has a farm in Northern California and he makes his own biodiesel.

00:23:42.000 He runs all of his cars on biodiesel.

00:23:45.000 Of course he does.

00:23:46.000 Let's talk about Neil Young for a second.

00:23:49.000 Neil Young is the reason why I quit concert security.

00:23:52.000 I was working as a security guard in Great Woods.

00:23:55.000 The people that did martial arts with me all got security jobs in this place.

00:24:01.000 I got a job there too.

00:24:04.000 During a Neil Young concert, there's a place called Great Woods.

00:24:06.000 Great Woods is an amphitheater, so there's covered seating.

00:24:10.000 In the back, the cheaper seats are this lawn area.

00:24:14.000 In the lawn area, it got a little chilly, so dudes started fires.

00:24:19.000 And the security guards had to go in and shut down the fires, and riots broke out, and people started punching people, and it got crazy. 0.99

00:24:26.000 And I'm like, fuck doing security. 0.99

00:24:28.000 So I quit. 1.00

00:24:29.000 In the middle of a Neil Young concert, I put a hoodie on over my security jacket, and I fucking bailed. 0.98

00:24:36.000 Are you serious? 0.98

00:24:36.000 Yes, I did. 0.98

00:24:37.000 You're good. 0.99

00:24:38.000 I was like, dude, I am not fucking getting my ass kicked or getting stabbed for Neil Young. 0.99

00:24:44.000 Or Neil Young fans. 0.99

00:24:45.000 You told me that stuff.

00:24:48.000 Bring it back.

00:24:48.000 He told me that story in BC. That's why I wanted to say it.

00:24:50.000 Dude, it was crazy.

00:24:51.000 There was fires.

00:24:52.000 People were lighting fires. 0.99

00:24:54.000 And when one guy saw a fire, he was like, shit, I want a fire. 0.99

00:24:56.000 And then all these Neil Young fans just started to fire us. 0.99

00:25:01.000 We're talking about...

00:25:02.000 I mean, I don't know how many people, Great Woods in Mansfield, Massachusetts seats.

00:25:06.000 I got to think it's somewhere in the...

00:25:08.000 It's a big-ass concert place.

00:25:10.000 Like, I saw Sam Kinnis in there and Bon Jovi.

00:25:13.000 It's like 15,000 seats, so...

00:25:15.000 And, you know, 4,000 of them were on fire. 0.98

00:25:20.000 So it was fucking crazy. 0.95

00:25:21.000 It's a nice remodel. 0.99

00:25:22.000 I mean, this is like, I was 19, so this is like 86. And Neil Young fans are crazy.

00:25:27.000 Oh, it was nuts, man.

00:25:28.000 It was all...

00:25:29.000 As soon as they hear that needle in the dam is done, they get all...

00:25:31.000 Southern man!

00:25:33.000 They're like, fire!

00:25:35.000 Fire!

00:25:36.000 Something tells me I need to make a fire!

00:25:38.000 Light the torch!

00:25:39.000 It was dark, man.

00:25:40.000 It got crazy. 0.99

00:25:41.000 I fucking bailed out of there. 0.98

00:25:42.000 A lot of people don't know I used to be a fireman when I worked at Matthews. 0.98

00:25:46.000 You were a fireman?

00:25:47.000 Yeah.

00:25:47.000 You're like Forrest Gump.

00:25:48.000 A lot of people don't know I used to know. 0.99

00:25:52.000 You know Forrest Gump was retarded. 1.00

00:25:55.000 No, you know Forrest Gump? 0.98

00:25:56.000 Yeah, I know him.

00:25:57.000 He had like 80 chapters.

00:25:58.000 I watch him every time I need a happy movie.

00:25:59.000 Yeah, like 80 chapters to a story.

00:26:02.000 Super slow but really good at ping pong.

00:26:04.000 I was a fireman.

00:26:05.000 Super slow to Wisconsin.

00:26:13.000 We went on this fire call with this lady, and man, her house...

00:26:17.000 The problem with...

00:26:19.000 The thing that you encounter a lot as firemen is you go on fire calls where a lot of the houses are not kept up at the level that most people would keep them up.

00:26:31.000 I guess that's a politically correct way to say it.

00:26:33.000 Hoarders.

00:26:34.000 Hoarders?

00:26:35.000 Yeah.

00:26:36.000 Let's just...

00:26:36.000 So I went on this call...

00:26:37.000 A lot of kindling.

00:26:38.000 I went on...

00:26:40.000 I shouldn't have saved all those newspapers.

00:26:44.000 Guess I picked the wrong time to store gasoline in the bathroom.

00:26:50.000 I went on this call, and I mean, I wouldn't have classified her as a hoarder.

00:26:55.000 I would classify her more as a cat lady. 0.96

00:26:59.000 But she had a vast collection of some Neal tapes.

00:27:04.000 Oh.

00:27:05.000 I remember it.

00:27:06.000 Eight track or cassette?

00:27:07.000 Date yourself.

00:27:08.000 There was a serious cassette collection along with a lot of cats and cat turds.

00:27:17.000 Oh no!

00:27:18.000 Where's this girl? 1.00

00:27:20.000 How many cats does she have? 1.00

00:27:22.000 Not as many as the city of Lanai.

00:27:27.000 Well, we went to a cat sanctuary out here.

00:27:29.000 There's 500 cats.

00:27:31.000 Wait, here?

00:27:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:32.000 In Lanai, yeah.

00:27:34.000 There's a cat sanctuary.

00:27:35.000 Is it like caged in?

00:27:36.000 I don't know.

00:27:37.000 Get out how you guys do other things besides hunting.

00:27:39.000 I have family, bro. 1.00

00:27:41.000 When you have little girls, you have to do other shit. 1.00

00:27:44.000 You have to. 0.99

00:27:45.000 The only way I can balance this trip out, I have to do a con game.

00:27:50.000 I know about the con game.

00:27:52.000 I know, you have family too, man.

00:27:54.000 I know about the con game.

00:27:55.000 We're going to Hawaii!

00:27:57.000 Yay! 0.99

00:27:57.000 Where's daddy? 0.99

00:27:58.000 Oh, he's murdering animals.

00:28:02.000 Shane's anxiety level when he's not hunting is off the charts.

00:28:06.000 It is actually very hot.

00:28:08.000 It's super tense.

00:28:12.000 You get really at it.

00:28:16.000 Well, it's so fun.

00:28:17.000 Drop me off here, dudes.

00:28:18.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:28:19.000 Are you pouring Red Bull in your wine? 1.00

00:28:22.000 What the fuck are you doing? 1.00

00:28:27.000 He's pouring tequila into his Red Bull and wine. 1.00

00:28:31.000 That might be a first.

00:28:33.000 What do you call that?

00:28:34.000 That's delicious.

00:28:35.000 What do you call that?

00:28:36.000 Trash bag wine.

00:28:37.000 It's a new concoction.

00:28:39.000 Let's call this the cat lady.

00:28:43.000 I want one!

00:28:44.000 I want one!

00:28:45.000 John Dudley and I have created drinks before.

00:28:49.000 Yeah, you guys created Rye Brain, which is a combination of Alpha Brain and whiskey.

00:28:54.000 Outstanding!

00:28:55.000 I drink it everywhere!

00:28:57.000 Back when he was a bartender...

00:29:00.000 Before the firemen.

00:29:02.000 I actually won the bartending.

00:29:04.000 Me and Sharon won the bartending thing at the Traeger National Convention in Salt Lake.

00:29:12.000 We did a smoked grapefruit Tom Collins that frickin' won.

00:29:18.000 Well, this is something that you do that I have not tried, but I do want to try.

00:29:22.000 John Dudley will take a bucket of water. 0.99

00:29:25.000 Yeah, he will smoke his balls. 0.99

00:29:26.000 He takes a bucket of water. 0.99

00:29:28.000 I'm not joking.

00:29:30.000 He takes a bucket of water, puts it in the Traeger, smokes the water, then takes that water, pours it into these ice ball Holders.

00:29:41.000 What do you call those things?

00:29:42.000 Like silicone? 0.75

00:29:43.000 Like ice makers?

00:29:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:44.000 Where you make a ball.

00:29:45.000 You make a whiskey ball.

00:29:46.000 Whiskey ball.

00:29:47.000 You can smoke water with like mesquite or apple flavored pellets or anything you want and then you freeze them and if you have a crappy bourbon you can drop that smoked ice ball in and you can take a real crappy bourbon and make it decent.

00:30:07.000 That's it.

00:30:08.000 I'm ordering a Traeger tomorrow.

00:30:09.000 I'm a crappy bourbon drinker. 0.93

00:30:11.000 Is Jack Daniels considered a crappy bourbon? 0.91

00:30:14.000 What is that considered?

00:30:15.000 We might get shot if we say that.

00:30:17.000 I would say more like anything under seven bucks a bottle.

00:30:28.000 This is coming from a guy who's drinking tequila and wine and Red Bull.

00:30:32.000 It's called a cat lady. 1.00

00:30:34.000 It's called a cat lady in one glass.

00:30:36.000 That's a cat lady, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

00:30:38.000 I like it.

00:30:39.000 I'm not sure that his mixology is right on point.

00:30:41.000 We just fucked up my mini bar, by the way.

00:30:44.000 The scene in here is radical. 0.95

00:30:46.000 Bear hugs versus booze. 0.99

00:30:48.000 When my family comes back here, I'm going to have some really shitty looks.

00:30:52.000 Well, because we're all going to be laying on the floor.

00:30:55.000 Baby, they're my friends.

00:30:56.000 They're family.

00:30:56.000 You've got to let it go.

00:31:00.000 You've got to let it go.

00:31:01.000 You've got to let it go. 1.00

00:31:03.000 These guys are all killers. 1.00

00:31:05.000 They've killed things. 1.00

00:31:06.000 They need to blow off some steam.

00:31:08.000 They've got PTSD. From Rage Tri-Pam. 0.66

00:31:13.000 I think the Cat Lady is excellent. 1.00

00:31:14.000 It's a very good drink.

00:31:15.000 Shane?

00:31:16.000 Try the Cat Lady. 1.00

00:31:17.000 Try the Cat Lady. 1.00

00:31:18.000 Get in on that.

00:31:21.000 Come on, man.

00:31:24.000 You don't like the Cat Lady? 0.96

00:31:25.000 I'm missing enough deer as it goes.

00:31:27.000 Oh, okay.

00:31:29.000 Listen, the Cat Lady... 1.00

00:31:31.000 The Cat Lady's a strange...

00:31:33.000 It's pretty good.

00:31:34.000 It's better than it should be.

00:31:35.000 It's good.

00:31:36.000 It's a strange cacophony of like...

00:31:38.000 Anytime you can say cacophony on a podcast, you win.

00:31:42.000 Well, that's when you're drinking tequila, wine, and Red Bull.

00:31:44.000 That stuff comes out. 0.99

00:31:45.000 Let's talk about how goddamn fast these deer are. 0.99

00:31:49.000 I killed one. 1.00

00:31:51.000 And I killed one because he didn't know I was there. 1.00

00:31:54.000 Every deer that saw me and he stood still and I shot an arrow at him, they ducked that motherfucker like Neo on the Matrix. 1.00

00:32:02.000 I mean, it was so amazing watching an arrow going... 0.99

00:32:07.000 And I switched arrows because John Dudley made me two builds.

00:32:11.000 He made me an arrow build with 625 grain arrows that go 245 feet a second and then 496...

00:32:18.000 496 or 493?

00:32:20.000 496?

00:32:21.000 I thought it was 516. What's the regret?

00:32:23.000 The lighter ones?

00:32:24.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 I think they're 496. Anyway, they're still fairly heavy, but they go 275 feet per second.

00:32:30.000 I switched to the 275 feet per second arrows because these deer would see the arrow coming at them and be like, bitch! 1.00

00:32:39.000 And just not even come close. 0.98

00:32:42.000 So with the 275 feet per second arrows, I was catching hairs.

00:32:49.000 I got a couple of hairs when they were looking at me.

00:32:52.000 I would get the arrow and I'd look at it and say, oh, there's a hair on this arrow.

00:32:55.000 Or I literally would give them a haircut. 0.75

00:32:57.000 No blood.

00:32:58.000 They would just duck under it and it would just catch the top of their head or the small of their back or something.

00:33:04.000 So we need to get you like a 380 grain arrow. 0.76

00:33:07.000 No.

00:33:08.000 I'm a meathead.

00:33:10.000 I actually did a podcast with Winky about this.

00:33:14.000 We talked for a long time about speed versus energy.

00:33:19.000 He's a big speed guy.

00:33:23.000 Explain who Winky is to the people that listen to him.

00:33:26.000 Bill Winky is a whitetail expert, a whitetail deer expert.

00:33:30.000 He's a very well-known writer.

00:33:37.000 And he's got a great, I guess, online webisodes for Whitetail.

00:33:42.000 Semi-live online hunting show.

00:33:44.000 Yeah, Midwest Whitetail.

00:33:45.000 Yeah, for like the world of hunting, very well-respected guy.

00:33:49.000 And we had this ongoing debate, which is really cool because when I have a lot of my guests on my podcast, I like to get into things to where it interests me because it's a lot like you.

00:34:00.000 There's, I wouldn't say argument, but there's debate between this, you know, A versus B. And Bill's, he's very successful and he has a very good following and he has a very valid opinion.

00:34:15.000 But his opinion on an arrow having a lot of speed In order to avoid, you know, deer dropping versus like say Adam Greentree's opinion of having just a super efficient,

00:34:31.000 very heavy arrow that is maximum penetration to where regardless of what it hits, it's going to do its job.

00:34:39.000 And by dropping, what we mean is when...

00:34:41.000 Today is a perfect example.

00:34:43.000 The deer hear the sound in lanai.

00:34:47.000 Lanai in particular.

00:34:49.000 The deer hear the sound of a bow launching an arrow and they bolt.

00:34:54.000 Ben and I were talking.

00:34:56.000 I mean talking like this.

00:34:57.000 We were just talking. 0.99

00:34:58.000 We were shooting the shit and there was at least two bucks and a couple of does bedded less than 20 yards away from us. 0.99

00:35:07.000 And they weren't even reacting. 0.99

00:35:08.000 And then I took...

00:35:09.000 I'm like, should I take this bomb? 0.99

00:35:11.000 I should launch this bomb on this doe. 0.99

00:35:12.000 This doe's standing there. 1.00

00:35:14.000 She's standing at us.

00:35:15.000 And he gives me a read.

00:35:16.000 He goes, 70 yards. 1.00

00:35:17.000 I'm like, fuck it up. 1.00

00:35:18.000 I'm going to go with this shit. 1.00

00:35:19.000 So I draw back 70 yards, and the doe is really like, bitch, are you serious? 1.00

00:35:25.000 She slides to the left like she's in some, like, 1990s fucking breakdancing move. 1.00

00:35:32.000 She was electric slides all the way. 1.00

00:35:34.000 It was ridiculous. 0.67

00:35:35.000 I got to have no... 0.73

00:35:36.000 I shot exactly where she was standing, and she was nowhere near the left. 0.90

00:35:41.000 I told you after that arrow flew, I was like, You hit exactly where you were aiming in the 10 ring.

00:35:46.000 Yeah.

00:35:47.000 That deer was swimming to Maui before your arrow.

00:35:49.000 They're so fast.

00:35:50.000 They're so fast.

00:35:51.000 That's the crazy thing, though.

00:35:52.000 At 70 yards, if they're looking at you and they react, it's not like you're missing them by inches or millimeters.

00:35:58.000 They could be like...

00:35:59.000 Feet.

00:36:00.000 Six feet away from your arrow.

00:36:01.000 Six feet, yeah.

00:36:02.000 Imagine if UFC fighters had the instincts of an axis.

00:36:08.000 You'd have to watch it in slow motion and know what the hell went on.

00:36:11.000 Mighty Mouse.

00:36:12.000 Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson.

00:36:14.000 Best pound-for-pound fighter in the world.

00:36:15.000 Might as well be in Axis tier. 0.98

00:36:20.000 And the podcast is over.

00:36:22.000 For real.

00:36:23.000 For real.

00:36:24.000 I mean, that's literally what we're talking about.

00:36:26.000 People who fight Mighty Mouse, they probably feel like a dude who's shooting at an axis deer who's looking right at them.

00:36:32.000 You have no chance.

00:36:35.000 But for bow hunting, it is probably the best training you could ever have.

00:36:40.000 And we were talking about this, because this whole thing was put together.

00:36:43.000 Shout out to Yeti Coolers, greatest coolers on the planet Earth.

00:36:46.000 Whoop, whoop.

00:36:46.000 Ben O'Brien, big exec at Yeti Coolers.

00:36:49.000 This whole thing was... 1.00

00:36:50.000 Whatever the fuck he is, coordinator. 1.00

00:36:54.000 Homeboy. 0.99

00:36:55.000 This whole thing was put together, and while we were here, we were thinking this might be the ultimate destination for bow hunters to prepare for any other hunt.

00:37:06.000 Yeah.

00:37:07.000 You get to experience it all.

00:37:09.000 You get to experience spot and stalk, A diversity of terrain.

00:37:14.000 And then in the end, you have a lot of opportunity. 0.99

00:37:19.000 And animals that don't let you fuck up. 0.99

00:37:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:37:21.000 If you do, like 15 minutes later, you have another group. 0.99

00:37:25.000 Right.

00:37:25.000 That's the beautiful thing.

00:37:26.000 It's an amazing training opportunity.

00:37:28.000 So Bill Winkie's debate, speed versus...

00:37:32.000 So the drop means the deer hear the sound of an arrow, which is like...

00:37:37.000 They hear the sound of a bow going off, and they literally duck down.

00:37:42.000 Not duck because they think an arrow's coming.

00:37:45.000 They duck because they're preparing to lower themselves and launch themselves forward.

00:37:49.000 Yeah, a lot of times people think they're ducking the arrow, but what happens is when someone gets scared, it's a lot like, Sharon, my wife, is bad about this.

00:38:00.000 I'll come around the corner and be like, hey babe, and she'll, ah! 1.00

00:38:03.000 Yeah.

00:38:05.000 She jumps a string and won't do it. 1.00

00:38:08.000 She is a string jumper.

00:38:10.000 Quit ducking the string!

00:38:14.000 Honey, you're jumping the string! 0.99

00:38:15.000 I'm just trying to say hi!

00:38:17.000 She's a string jumper. 0.93

00:38:20.000 What happens is the deer, they just pick their legs off the ground.

00:38:25.000 And that's the cool thing about videoing, is when you video your hunts, you actually get to relive those hunts again.

00:38:31.000 You can slow them down, watch them.

00:38:33.000 And really, you know, it's a reaction of they're just clenching up, so they're lifting their feet off the ground.

00:38:39.000 So gravity is dropping, depending on their body weight, it's dropping them at a certain speed.

00:38:44.000 Oh, so they're lifting their feet so that they can go forward.

00:38:47.000 Yeah, they're just picking up as a reaction, like, ah!

00:38:51.000 And then once they spring, they're going.

00:38:54.000 But the weight of their body is actually dropping that down.

00:38:58.000 So, you know, like with an elk, obviously it's a lot more mass, so they'll drop at a faster rate than something that's lighter.

00:39:06.000 But a lot of times their legs are just coming up to the body and the gravity is pulling them down.

00:39:13.000 So what is Bill Winkie's philosophy?

00:39:16.000 He really thinks speed is more of a benefit than momentum or kinetic energy.

00:39:23.000 But in saying that, Bill is also very focused on a medium game animal.

00:39:28.000 So when we talk about, you know, a white-tailed deer is a lot different than an elk or a moose.

00:39:35.000 So, you know, momentum, which is a heavier arrow traveling maybe at a slower weight of speed, but it delivers a lot more energy.

00:39:45.000 It's a lot like when Foreman used to fight.

00:39:48.000 When I watched Foreman or when I watched a lot of his older fights, he never looked like he was hitting anyone hard.

00:39:54.000 But when his glove hit someone, their whole body was taking a tremendous amount of energy. 0.78

00:40:03.000 Because it was a big freaking fist and a big arm. 0.84

00:40:05.000 You know why? 0.96

00:40:06.000 You feel like he wasn't hitting hard because you weren't there.

00:40:10.000 There's something that's lost in film.

00:40:13.000 There's a lot of people that I've seen hit people in person.

00:40:18.000 There's people that are built weird.

00:40:20.000 George Foreman is a perfect example.

00:40:22.000 George Foreman is a guy, I've never met him personally, but he has hands that are the size of canned hams. 0.99

00:40:29.000 They're fucking enormous. 0.96

00:40:30.000 Are they bigger than Lesnar's? 0.99

00:40:33.000 Probably in the neighborhood.

00:40:34.000 Brock Lesnar could have been...

00:40:36.000 I've seen those myths.

00:40:37.000 He's a freak.

00:40:38.000 He could have been the greatest heavyweight of all time if he was fully dedicated.

00:40:42.000 He started from the time he was in high school and went straight into MMA. He spent so much time in pro wrestling, but if you look at Brock Lesnar's Columbine...

00:40:55.000 Hello, cat lady. 0.99

00:40:57.000 If you look at Brock Lesnar's combine numbers, his NFL combine numbers, they're insane.

00:41:03.000 He bench pressed 225 pounds, something like 45 reps. 0.99

00:41:07.000 His fucking vertical is off the roof. 0.99

00:41:10.000 His long jump is insane for a guy who's almost 300 pounds. 1.00

00:41:14.000 He's a freak.

00:41:15.000 I've seen a lot of athletic freaks.

00:41:18.000 I've never seen anybody as more freaky than Brock Lesnar.

00:41:21.000 But that freaky athleticism, what's beautiful about MMA, that freaky athleticism does not overcome technique and long-term training in the particular disciplines of MMA. That's why Cain Velasquez beat the shit out of him. 0.76

00:41:36.000 Whereas Cain Velasquez, he's a freak too, but he's a cardio freak. 0.94

00:41:40.000 Different kind of freak, not a power freak.

00:41:42.000 But he doesn't look like it.

00:41:43.000 Exactly.

00:41:44.000 But it's one of those things.

00:41:46.000 You've got to be there to see him.

00:41:47.000 If you saw Cain Velasquez fight in person, you would say, Jesus Christ.

00:41:51.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:41:54.000 But he's got a mind.

00:41:56.000 He does, though.

00:41:57.000 When he hits someone, it wrinkles for ages.

00:42:01.000 He's got a mind.

00:42:02.000 Cain Velasquez has got a mind and his lungs.

00:42:08.000 One of the things they say about hunting is that what kills animals is legs and lungs.

00:42:14.000 Yeah, elk especially.

00:42:15.000 Because being able to get to where the elk are, being able to have the cardio.

00:42:21.000 It's not a coincidence that a guy like Cam Haynes became a psychopathic endurance athlete because he's obsessed with elk hunting.

00:42:32.000 I mean, I talked to him about it.

00:42:34.000 He's like, the whole thing with me was I had to figure out how to get to those elk.

00:42:39.000 How do I get to those...

00:42:41.000 I'm tired.

00:42:41.000 How do I not be tired?

00:42:42.000 I've got to start running.

00:42:43.000 How do I get more endurance?

00:42:46.000 Well, I've got to run longer.

00:42:47.000 I've got to run harder.

00:42:48.000 I've got to run hills.

00:42:49.000 I've got to run mountains.

00:42:50.000 And it's the same thing with fighting. 1.00

00:42:53.000 If you're an explosive, super-fast athlete, but you run out of gas, you're fucked. 0.99

00:43:02.000 You have this short window of time to get the job done. 0.99

00:43:05.000 And if the guy who you're fighting can survive that storm... 0.97

00:43:08.000 You're kind of fucked, you know, because then you don't have any gas left and that's Brock Lesnar. 0.69

00:43:13.000 Brock Lesnar never really developed into the type of like fully evolved MMA fighter. 0.99

00:43:20.000 But what he did have is this freak athletic body.

00:43:23.000 That's the same thing with George Foreman.

00:43:25.000 When you watch that Rumble in the Jungle, George Foreman came out of the gate storming, hit Muhammad Ali with these body shots.

00:43:32.000 Even a better fight is watch George Foreman versus Joe Frazier where he literally picks him up with shots.

00:43:39.000 He hits him and you see Joe Frazier's body go up in the air from getting hit because Foreman was so powerful.

00:43:47.000 But Muhammad Ali was skillful enough, so when the punches were hitting him, he was sliding just a little bit out of the way, just a little bit out of the way with each punch, absorbing them but moving with them, so it took a lot of the energy away from him.

00:44:01.000 And I think that that's a lot...

00:44:04.000 You could say this is like an analogy to like arrows.

00:44:10.000 And a heavyweight arrow, which goes slower, or a fast arrow, which doesn't have as much momentum, doesn't have as much kinetic energy, but it's quicker.

00:44:20.000 But if they both connect on point A at the same time, Foreman is definitely doing more damage.

00:44:27.000 Sure.

00:44:27.000 So if you have Mighty Mouse versus George Foreman...

00:44:33.000 At a certain point in time, I've got to bet on George Foreman.

00:44:36.000 I mean, until we get to like, what are you looking for?

00:44:40.000 More Cat Lady.

00:44:41.000 More Red Bull.

00:44:42.000 A Red Bull!

00:44:42.000 More Red Bull!

00:44:45.000 There's another refrigerator in the other room back there, too.

00:44:49.000 Here, for sure, that arrow comparison is...

00:44:52.000 We were shooting just today.

00:44:53.000 We were going hunting.

00:44:54.000 We were just messing around, talking.

00:44:56.000 And we decided to shoot this tree just to see...

00:44:58.000 Yeah, that's a perfect example of a tree.

00:45:00.000 So, Joe is pulling 80...

00:45:03.000 How many pounds?

00:45:03.000 86 pounds.

00:45:04.000 86 pounds.

00:45:04.000 And his arrow weighs how many...

00:45:06.000 What's the grain?

00:45:06.000 Somewhere around 500 grains.

00:45:08.000 That's a heavy arrow.

00:45:09.000 I'm shooting 68 pounds and my arrow is 320 grams, so roughly half weight and much less draw weight than you.

00:45:18.000 He shoots this tree, dead center of this thing, and his broadhead sticks right in the center of this tree and the arrow stays in.

00:45:24.000 The broadhead disappears.

00:45:25.000 The broadhead disappears.

00:45:26.000 It goes right up to the insert.

00:45:28.000 I shoot the tree, my arrow deflects off the side of the tree, and the side of the broadhead, the third blade of the broadhead gets stuck in a branch.

00:45:35.000 And he looks at me and goes, have your arrow.

00:45:41.000 Stop shooting that. 1.00

00:45:43.000 Bitch-ass arrows. 1.00

00:45:44.000 Bitch-ass. 1.00

00:45:45.000 But it's true. 1.00

00:45:46.000 I mean, that's if you would have had Miley.

00:45:49.000 Miley Cyrus is the name that John Dudley gave to my 625 grain arrow setup.

00:45:57.000 Which, it goes slower, but it does horrendous damage.

00:46:04.000 Joe sent me his bow and he said, dude, build me something freaking extreme.

00:46:10.000 We just had a conversation.

00:46:11.000 We were trying to figure out.

00:46:14.000 I actually downloaded a GIF. A GIF file of Miley Cyrus on the wrecking ball.

00:46:21.000 Because I was shooting at 85 yards at my house.

00:46:25.000 And when his arrow would hit my target...

00:46:30.000 The next time I would shoot, all I could see is the L-forms moving on my target because it was still shaking from the arrow that I shot before it. 0.57

00:46:41.000 So when Joe said, dude, how's that setup doing?

00:46:45.000 I built like three different options.

00:46:49.000 But I told him, I said, man, this thing's hitting like a freaking wrecking ball.

00:46:54.000 Because the target would just shake.

00:46:56.000 And by the time I drew back again and would be aiming for the second arrow, I could still see the horns moving from the first arrow.

00:47:05.000 So then I ended up downloading a GIF of Miley Cyrus riding that wrecking ball back and forth, and I said...

00:47:12.000 This is what it sounds like in the draw cycle.

00:47:25.000 You hear the limbs creaking.

00:47:29.000 Pulling back this Lincoln log.

00:47:31.000 No wonder the axes are ducking this thing.

00:47:34.000 Let's just all be silent until we get to the chorus.

00:47:37.000 That's what the axes are here, when the arrow's on its way.

00:47:40.000 Who does all your Photoshop work?

00:47:43.000 Oh, a bunch of people.

00:47:45.000 Alright, we need a Photoshop work of Joe Rogan's head on Miley Cyrus.

00:47:55.000 Right now, vegans are crying.

00:47:58.000 This is not funny!

00:48:00.000 It's not a good day in wine unless you're drinking a cat lady and listen to Miley Cyrus.

00:48:06.000 I brought five extra arrows today.

00:48:11.000 I have a seven arrow tight spot and I brought a five arrow extra quiver.

00:48:16.000 Because I'm like, today's my last day.

00:48:18.000 How many arrows did you bring on this trip, Joe?

00:48:20.000 50. That might be some kind of record.

00:48:26.000 For real.

00:48:26.000 Came off from that guy.

00:48:27.000 We must clarify this.

00:48:29.000 When Joe says training, we're not training on these animals.

00:48:33.000 We're talking about the training of spotting an animal, stalking it, and making what is an efficient shot.

00:48:39.000 It's a very ethical practice, but training just means opportunity after opportunity after opportunity, meaning that you can get after these animals and learn how they move, how you move, how you can be quiet, when to duck, when to draw.

00:48:51.000 It's just practice.

00:48:52.000 It's that mental repetition.

00:48:53.000 In a single day of hunting here, you have more opportunities on spotting stocks than the majority of you guys are going to have in an entire hunting trip.

00:49:01.000 Maybe a season.

00:49:02.000 Maybe a season, yeah.

00:49:05.000 On mule deer, elk, anything like that.

00:49:06.000 I think I had the first day, which we'll talk about island time in a little bit.

00:49:11.000 First day seems like it was months ago.

00:49:14.000 I was not talking about island time.

00:49:15.000 Listen, they got it right.

00:49:17.000 You're an island boy.

00:49:18.000 You guys got it right.

00:49:20.000 This is the way to live. 1.00

00:49:22.000 The way I live is bullshit. 1.00

00:49:24.000 It is! 1.00

00:49:25.000 It's bullshit! 1.00

00:49:26.000 You know, everybody's all fucking nervous and worrying and stressed. 1.00

00:49:30.000 I come here, I'm like, I'm so relaxed. 0.97

00:49:33.000 My kids are relaxed.

00:49:34.000 My wife's relaxed.

00:49:35.000 I'm like, we're so relaxed.

00:49:36.000 I'm like, hey, wait a minute.

00:49:38.000 Shouldn't we just be relaxed?

00:49:39.000 Yeah.

00:49:40.000 It's Friday?

00:49:40.000 It's Friday, and we got here Monday.

00:49:46.000 And it's Friday, and all of us were saying the other day, we feel like we've been here for a month.

00:49:50.000 Yeah!

00:49:51.000 I feel like when I go home, my son's going to be like 17 years old. 1.00

00:49:55.000 Shout out to Traeger for shipping a fucking grill. 0.99

00:50:00.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:50:00.000 Happy birthday, John. 1.00

00:50:02.000 Chad, Tyler.

00:50:04.000 Yeah, happy birthday.

00:50:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:06.000 Chad. 0.99

00:50:07.000 Your boy Chad Ward has changed the way I fucking cook meat. 0.99

00:50:11.000 Yep. 0.99

00:50:11.000 Chad Ward at Whiskey Bent Barbecue on his Instagram. 0.99

00:50:15.000 He...

00:50:16.000 Everything...

00:50:17.000 Well, we didn't have a chance to reverse sear last night because we were actually...

00:50:21.000 Trying to just chill out on the beach, but we ended up, we cooked Ben and Remy's mouflon, backstraps.

00:50:30.000 We cooked...

00:50:30.000 And a mouflon, explain what a mouflon is.

00:50:32.000 A mouflon is Hawaiian sheep.

00:50:36.000 Really, really cool.

00:50:46.000 Sorry.

00:50:47.000 I missed Miley a little bit.

00:50:49.000 Continue.

00:50:50.000 By the way, I've never listened to that song before.

00:50:52.000 You sent me that anime.

00:50:54.000 I knew she wrote that song, but I really...

00:50:56.000 I don't even know if she wrote it.

00:50:57.000 She sang it.

00:50:58.000 Shout out to Miley Cyrus. 1.00

00:51:04.000 She's had more press time in the last 30 minutes than she has in the last two years.

00:51:09.000 I'm a big fan, dude.

00:51:10.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:51:13.000 You're...

00:51:13.000 Everything you made was super legit, and I was blown away by how...

00:51:20.000 I've eaten a lot of mouflons, actually, but I was blown away by that side-by-side comparison, like a mouflon sheep compared to the axis deer.

00:51:28.000 I was devastated.

00:51:31.000 I actually thought...

00:51:34.000 It was true, because what kind of sucks about this whole trip is I wanted, the one thing I really wanted to shoot was a mouflon on Hawaii.

00:51:47.000 Sorry, Shane's playing my little violin with his fingers.

00:51:52.000 I had had a lot of opportunity to shoot mouflon in states that didn't have native mouflon, and I always said if I want to shoot a mouflon, I really want to shoot it in Hawaii.

00:52:03.000 Just because that's me as a hunter.

00:52:06.000 You're free-ranging.

00:52:07.000 Right.

00:52:08.000 And I had asked the guide if they had MUFON, and he said, well, yeah, but it's really tough to get up there.

00:52:15.000 And little did I know that, meanwhile, Ben and Remy Warren had secretly arranged a hunt up in MUFON territory, which literally looked like New Zealand.

00:52:28.000 And they went up and...

00:52:30.000 I can't believe you got two.

00:52:32.000 That's amazing.

00:52:33.000 We would have had more than two.

00:52:34.000 I missed one at 30 yards.

00:52:36.000 A good one, too.

00:52:37.000 A good one.

00:52:38.000 A giant one.

00:52:39.000 You needed a faster arrow.

00:52:40.000 I needed a George Foreman.

00:52:43.000 You needed a Mighty Mouse.

00:52:45.000 I needed a Mighty Mouse.

00:52:47.000 This whole thing about Bill Winkie, before we get off topic for the archers out there, where do you stand on this?

00:52:53.000 Do you think there's a comfortable medium, like maybe a Tyron Woodley?

00:52:58.000 Who's a powerful 170 pounder, who's also lightning fast.

00:53:02.000 I think I really want the Conor McGregor where...

00:53:05.000 I was going to say, he's not like a fight analyst.

00:53:10.000 Tyron Woodley would disagree.

00:53:11.000 Sorry, Tyron.

00:53:13.000 Yeah, he is, but...

00:53:14.000 Tyron, sorry.

00:53:16.000 I mean, I know Conor talked some crap to you in the last press conference, but...

00:53:22.000 I actually like that arrow that the animal thinks that he knows what's coming, but then when it hits him, it's like, what just happened? 0.96

00:53:33.000 Right, got there too quick.

00:53:34.000 Because I've been in a couple different fights that you've invited me on, thank you.

00:53:39.000 When Connor hits people, they think they know what it's going to feel like, but then when it does, like when that first left hand hits him, their face really changes, like...

00:53:52.000 I think they expect what it's going to feel like, but when they actually feel it, it's a totally different expression.

00:54:01.000 I mean, I've been that way in competition, which I've shot professionally for a lot of years, and then when you meet someone in a match, and then they actually stand next to you and compete with you, you can tell on their face that they're experiencing something different than they prepare for.

00:54:21.000 Right. 0.89

00:54:22.000 I've seen that when Connor hits people and all of a sudden their face changes like, oh crap. 0.96

00:54:30.000 I think that's with every competition, right?

00:54:32.000 Is that the same with surfing?

00:54:35.000 Like you're around some people and you see...

00:54:37.000 Like underestimating them?

00:54:37.000 Well, not only that, but like maybe when you're coming up, like you see someone who's on just another level and you go, wow, okay, there's that too.

00:54:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:46.000 Once you experience them live where you're like, wait a minute.

00:54:49.000 Yeah, and there's a lot of guys who just don't like really like sort of like the same way you're saying that like it doesn't translate like...

00:54:55.000 Yeah.

00:54:56.000 Live fights to film.

00:54:57.000 Right.

00:54:57.000 You know, it's like, oh yeah, that guy's pretty badass, but in real life you can't believe how fast and how powerful people are.

00:55:03.000 Yeah.

00:55:03.000 It's like that with surfing.

00:55:04.000 I think it's like that with any sport where it's like, you know, you're expecting to see this guy who you've heard of or read about or watched films of or something, and then you see him in real life and you're like, what the hell?

00:55:12.000 You've got to be there live, right?

00:55:14.000 Yeah.

00:55:15.000 We need to make a music comparison to what we're talking about here.

00:55:17.000 Maybe like Adele, possibly?

00:55:21.000 I would go with Pavarotti.

00:55:23.000 Look at us.

00:55:24.000 Look at us.

00:55:25.000 He's going to Google.

00:55:26.000 There's this guy, there's this heavyweight named Francis Ngannou, who's this African heavyweight who's in the UFC, who's like one of the best fighters in the heavyweight division right now. 0.99

00:55:35.000 He's fucking terrifying. 0.98

00:55:37.000 What's his name? 1.00

00:55:37.000 Francis Ngannou. 1.00

00:55:39.000 Sorry.

00:55:42.000 But this guy in Ghanu, there's something crazy.

00:55:45.000 He's just, first of all, he's enormous.

00:55:47.000 He's like 260 pounds.

00:55:49.000 Wait, I've seen him.

00:55:51.000 Stacked.

00:55:52.000 He's just built like a brick shithouse.

00:55:55.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:55:56.000 Knocked down Andrei Olofsky with one punch.

00:55:58.000 But there's something about him, like literally when he's walking into the cage, he's like...

00:56:06.000 His stomps are different.

00:56:08.000 Like, his body is, like, denser.

00:56:10.000 Your monitor at the desk is shaking. 1.00

00:56:12.000 He clips people and they just go, what in the fuck? 0.99

00:56:15.000 But it's a lot like Foreman's. 1.00

00:56:18.000 Like, you've got to be there.

00:56:18.000 If you see him hit people, you're like, oh, that guy can't take a punch.

00:56:21.000 No, no, no, no.

00:56:22.000 You've got to be there, man.

00:56:23.000 You've got to be there and the impact.

00:56:26.000 Like, when in 1996, 1997, I watched...

00:56:32.000 There's a guy that...

00:56:34.000 He's one of the most underrated heavyweights of all time.

00:56:36.000 His name is Pedro Hizzo.

00:56:37.000 And Pedro Hizzo was like a real pioneer in MMA and in Muay Thai.

00:56:43.000 And he was training one time at this place called Beverly Hills Jiu Jitsu.

00:56:47.000 And he was kicking this heavy bag.

00:56:49.000 And he was like... 0.99

00:56:51.000 He was kicking this bag, and I guess if you saw a video, it'd be kind of impressive, but when I was there live, I was like, Jesus fucking Christ! 0.98

00:57:00.000 It was just like three or four levels past anybody I'd ever seen in terms of the amount of power they could generate with a kick. 0.98

00:57:10.000 And that's like the same thing with Ngannou.

00:57:12.000 That's the same thing with a lot of people.

00:57:14.000 It's like there's something about seeing something live.

00:57:18.000 You can sort of like get an idea. 0.99

00:57:21.000 Like I'm sure you, if you saw a guy surf in a video, you'd be like, oh, that guy, that's a bad motherfucker, right? 0.97

00:57:28.000 But like for the average person, you kind of got to see something live. 0.96

00:57:33.000 Yeah, there's like little details that you can, you know...

00:57:38.000 We're good to go.

00:57:46.000 We're good to go.

00:58:01.000 Earmuffs, John.

00:58:01.000 Earmuffs.

00:58:03.000 When he made a shot on this mouflon, 57 yards, it seemed to me like his arrow made an S pattern to what essentially was a cantaloupe-sized target that he's shooting at at 57 yards.

00:58:15.000 And he shot through like six trees from a knee at like a 45-degree angle with his bow.

00:58:22.000 I would like to tell you about a shot that I saw John Dudley shoot a couple of days ago, but I need permission.

00:58:28.000 You don't have permission. 0.99

00:58:33.000 Let me just say, I saw some shit. 0.99

00:58:41.000 Let's just move on. 1.00

00:58:45.000 I saw some shit that I would never attempt, but it ended with a perfect heart shot, an ethical kill, an animal that died in seconds. 1.00

00:58:53.000 That's what you're talking about, right? 1.00

00:58:55.000 But seeing something live, you can get an idea of how hard something is until you see it live.

00:58:59.000 Exactly.

00:59:00.000 That's the expectation of what Dudley can do.

00:59:02.000 Let me tell you something, what our guide said when he saw what John Dudley did.

00:59:05.000 Have you ever seen Will Ferrell when he said, what just happened?

00:59:10.000 No, that just happened.

00:59:11.000 That just happened!

00:59:14.000 That's what Joe Rogan's face looked like when he turned around.

00:59:18.000 Well, at least I knew what you can do.

00:59:20.000 The guide was like, holy Jesus...

00:59:24.000 Holy Jesus, he just shot that. 0.98

00:59:26.000 Like, I told you he was going to kill it. 0.87

00:59:30.000 I mean, you had to be there.

00:59:31.000 But it's like, there's levels to everything.

00:59:34.000 There's levels to writing.

00:59:36.000 There's levels to singing.

00:59:37.000 There's levels to poetry.

00:59:39.000 I don't know.

00:59:40.000 I don't believe that.

00:59:41.000 But there's levels to surfing, for sure.

00:59:44.000 There's levels to everything, man.

00:59:47.000 That cat lady knows how to roll. 1.00

00:59:51.000 Cat Lady's a good drink. 1.00

00:59:53.000 I like it.

00:59:54.000 I was skeptical at first.

00:59:57.000 Everyone's skeptical of Cat Lady, but she can bring her claws out. 1.00

01:00:02.000 For those of you listening, it's a Talley Vineyards 2013. For those listening, it's a room service bar.

01:00:16.000 It's a red wine.

01:00:17.000 It's a three-part red wine with a one-part tequila patron and a...

01:00:25.000 One and a half part, Red Bull sugar free.

01:00:29.000 What do they call room service bars?

01:00:30.000 What do they call the room bars?

01:00:32.000 Mini bars.

01:00:33.000 Mini bars.

01:00:33.000 Rape?

01:00:36.000 Financial rape.

01:00:38.000 We've gone a long way trying to figure out whether or not Bill Winkie is right or Adam Greentree is right.

01:00:45.000 I'll say just one thing about arrow weight or speed.

01:00:49.000 At a known distance, arrow weight doesn't matter.

01:00:52.000 If you know how far you're shooting, arrow weight doesn't matter.

01:00:55.000 I'm all for shooting a very heavy arrow because of the momentum.

01:00:58.000 At a known distance?

01:00:59.000 At a known distance.

01:01:00.000 So if you can range something, you know exactly how far away it is.

01:01:02.000 And it won't move.

01:01:03.000 And it won't move.

01:01:04.000 Well, that's obvious.

01:01:05.000 Right.

01:01:05.000 Yeah.

01:01:06.000 For sure.

01:01:06.000 Right.

01:01:06.000 So it's great to shoot a heavier arrow.

01:01:09.000 A faster arrow has an advantage is when something comes running in and you have to snap shoot at it.

01:01:16.000 Right.

01:01:16.000 That's at, I think, 37 yards.

01:01:19.000 And say it's at 30. But if you have a faster arrow, you're only going to miss by a lot less.

01:01:32.000 To answer your question, I think there is a happy medium.

01:01:36.000 For you, you're shooting a heavier bow, so a heavier arrow is going to go faster.

01:01:41.000 And people with longer draw length, their arrow is going to go faster and they can shoot a heavier arrow.

01:01:45.000 Doug, wouldn't you agree, though, that 90% of archery hunters will shoot a medium arrow, though, because of that?

01:01:54.000 There's not that many Cam Haynes or Joes that want a really heavy arrow with a heavy broad head. 1.00

01:02:01.000 There's not that many people that do that.

01:02:03.000 What are you shooting?

01:02:04.000 Other than people who exclusively hunt elk or exclusively hunt moose or exclusively hunt water buffaloes.

01:02:10.000 Right.

01:02:10.000 Shane has two different arrows in this clue.

01:02:12.000 What are you shooting?

01:02:14.000 I shoot... 1.00

01:02:16.000 I shoot elite. 0.99

01:02:18.000 I forget what they're called.

01:02:19.000 They're 8.1 grains per inch.

01:02:22.000 They're elite.

01:02:24.000 I don't know why I'm drawing a blank.

01:02:25.000 How many grains are your full...

01:02:27.000 Did you shoot the Victory?

01:02:28.000 Yeah.

01:02:28.000 Oh, the VAPS. Yeah.

01:02:30.000 Yeah, so the Victory Armor Piercing.

01:02:31.000 No, no, no.

01:02:32.000 Mine are Victory Elites.

01:02:33.000 Oh, okay.

01:02:34.000 Gotcha.

01:02:35.000 Victory Archery Elites.

01:02:37.000 And they're 8.1 grains per inch.

01:02:39.000 Yeah.

01:02:40.000 I'm not exactly sure what that...

01:02:42.000 So for people listening, 500 grains is about one ounce.

01:02:46.000 Is that correct?

01:02:48.000 John?

01:02:49.000 John, what?

01:02:50.000 Call your mom.

01:02:52.000 Texting.

01:02:53.000 I was actually trying to refer back to a heavy hitter that I didn't know the actual force of.

01:03:00.000 I went to Arnold Classic to compete in like, I think it was 2005. What were you doing?

01:03:07.000 Competing as what?

01:03:09.000 What kind of competition?

01:03:11.000 Wait a minute.

01:03:12.000 What were you doing?

01:03:13.000 I was bowling.

01:03:20.000 Back when I was canoeing competitively.

01:03:23.000 I actually won two Arnold Classics, thank you.

01:03:26.000 What's an Arnold Classic?

01:03:28.000 Tank Abbott was fighting Wesley Walls.

01:03:31.000 Who?

01:03:31.000 That's not an answer to the question.

01:03:32.000 What's an Arnold Classic?

01:03:34.000 John Walls?

01:03:36.000 Wesley.

01:03:37.000 And Wesley knocked him out with a knee to the face.

01:03:40.000 No.

01:03:40.000 But anyway, I was with...

01:03:42.000 Stop, stop, stop.

01:03:43.000 No, ladies. 1.00

01:03:44.000 Stop, stop, stop.

01:03:45.000 100% true.

01:03:46.000 For what organization?

01:03:47.000 It was for the Arnold Classic.

01:03:49.000 They had UFC in Columbus, Ohio.

01:03:52.000 No, no, no.

01:03:52.000 Listen to me.

01:03:53.000 Tank Abbott was never knocked out by a guy named Wesley Walls.

01:03:57.000 This is incorrect.

01:03:58.000 What year is this?

01:03:59.000 Is it Wesley Sims?

01:04:02.000 2005 or 2006. I was there live.

01:04:05.000 Tank Abbott?

01:04:05.000 Yep.

01:04:06.000 With a knee to the face in the second round.

01:04:09.000 Tank Abbott was never knocked out with a knee to the face in the second round.

01:04:12.000 Dude, he was literally the bell rung.

01:04:14.000 Pull up Tank Abbott's Wikipedia page.

01:04:18.000 Go ahead and get back to Riley Cyrus.

01:04:22.000 I'm so excited that I know something that Joe does.

01:04:25.000 You definitely don't.

01:04:26.000 You definitely don't.

01:04:27.000 You won't be excited in a few moments.

01:04:29.000 Do you remember the fight that Tank Abbott got his knee kicked in?

01:04:33.000 What's that?

01:04:34.000 Do you remember the fight that Tank Abbott got his knee kicked in?

01:04:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:38.000 Maury Smith. 1.00

01:04:38.000 Maury Smith kicked the fuck out of his legs. 1.00

01:04:40.000 Listen. 0.99

01:04:41.000 Yeah.

01:04:41.000 This isn't a lie.

01:04:43.000 This is not cat lady talk.

01:04:45.000 Okay.

01:04:45.000 So when I went to the Arnold Classic, I was invited there by Arnold and Frank Zane.

01:04:51.000 I went there.

01:04:52.000 I did win.

01:04:54.000 In what?

01:04:54.000 What'd you do?

01:04:55.000 For archery.

01:04:56.000 They had archery.

01:04:57.000 Archery at the Arnold Classic?

01:04:58.000 Yeah.

01:04:59.000 And then after the second year, I recommended to Arnold.

01:05:02.000 Did you get his wiki?

01:05:04.000 I recommended to Arnold that they actually, instead of having professional archery, they have the NASP. Ohio State finals there so that they could have the high school NAS program have their finals at the Arnold Classic, which I thought would be better for the sport of archery.

01:05:20.000 But anyway, I went to the UFC fight.

01:05:24.000 It was the first time in Ohio that they had that at the UFC-style MMA fight at the Arnold Classic.

01:05:32.000 And Tank fought Wesley Walls, I believe.

01:05:39.000 Cabbage.

01:05:40.000 That's Cabbage Correa.

01:05:42.000 He's from Hawaii, by the way.

01:05:43.000 Let me check that out.

01:05:45.000 This is true.

01:05:46.000 He knocked out Cabbage.

01:05:48.000 It was a K-1-1 fight.

01:05:49.000 By the way, have I ever lied to you?

01:05:52.000 No, you definitely have.

01:05:53.000 I just think you're incorrect.

01:05:54.000 No.

01:05:55.000 100% I saw it.

01:05:56.000 So anyway, I'm ringside corner.

01:06:00.000 So where the fighters come up the aisle to the ring, I'm right at corner.

01:06:06.000 What year was this?

01:06:07.000 First seat.

01:06:07.000 I think it was 2006. Maybe it was 2005. I'll have to look at my trophy.

01:06:12.000 But that's true.

01:06:16.000 But anyway, I was sitting there and I was all excited because I was getting to see Tank Abbott fight.

01:06:21.000 He beat Wesley Cabbage Correa.

01:06:23.000 He knocked him out with one punch and Rumble on the Rock in Hawaii.

01:06:27.000 No, no, no.

01:06:27.000 That's definitely right.

01:06:29.000 Except the Arnold Classic.

01:06:30.000 Okay.

01:06:31.000 Let me...

01:06:32.000 Okay.

01:06:32.000 He lost...

01:06:34.000 Do Arnold Classic...

01:06:37.000 And it was a UFC fight.

01:06:38.000 You're right?

01:06:39.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:06:40.000 Here's the problem.

01:06:41.000 It was at the Arnold Classic.

01:06:44.000 Sweetie.

01:06:45.000 By the time 2005 rolled around, the tank wasn't in the UFC anymore.

01:06:50.000 Right.

01:06:50.000 In 2005, he got knocked out in Rumble on the Rock.

01:06:55.000 Or he knocked out, excuse me, Wesley Correa, who's from Hawaii.

01:07:00.000 Cabbage is his name.

01:07:02.000 He got knocked out in Rumble on the Rock in Hawaii.

01:07:07.000 And that was a BJ Penn promotion.

01:07:09.000 BJ Penn was a promoter for a while.

01:07:12.000 Before that, he fought in UFC 45, and he lost to Wesley Correa.

01:07:21.000 He got TKO'd, and that was in Connecticut.

01:07:29.000 So that's Wesley Correa.

01:07:31.000 Before that, he got submitted by Kimo.

01:07:36.000 Before that, he got submitted by Frank Mir.

01:07:38.000 Before that, he got knocked out by Pedro Hizzo.

01:07:42.000 I think that was in Brazil.

01:07:43.000 Yes, it was.

01:07:44.000 Thank you.

01:07:45.000 Before that, he beat Hugo Duarte, which is a very tough guy.

01:07:49.000 That was 1998. Your timing's all shit! 1.00

01:07:52.000 No, let's clear this up. 1.00

01:07:53.000 Get Arnold on the phone.

01:07:55.000 Ask him who won.

01:07:56.000 Ask him what happened.

01:07:57.000 There's certain things that I would defer to your judgment.

01:08:02.000 UFC fights are not on that list.

01:08:04.000 Well, I'm going to prove you wrong.

01:08:06.000 Well, you're definitely not going to, but good luck.

01:08:09.000 Listen, I've seen every Tank Abbott fight ever.

01:08:13.000 I know who beat him.

01:08:14.000 I know who didn't beat him.

01:08:16.000 You know, I've been there for a good percentage of them.

01:08:20.000 I'm going to say this as a friend.

01:08:22.000 As a friend.

01:08:24.000 I watched Tank Abbott get knocked out.

01:08:26.000 You might have thought it was Tank Abbott.

01:08:27.000 No, because Tank Abbott has a goatee that's this long.

01:08:31.000 Yeah, a lot of other guys do too.

01:08:34.000 All I'm saying is Tank came out, and what I was going to say is, a lot like Brock or whatever, I was excited to high-five Tank, and I was on the inside corner of where they come out.

01:08:46.000 Right.

01:08:47.000 Tank came out, and he was coming out to his music, and he was jacked.

01:08:52.000 And I was supposed to shoot the next day for the tournament, and I put my hand up like this for him to high-five me as he was coming down, and he was so jacked for the fight, I literally think he possibly ripped my shoulder out of the socket.

01:09:08.000 For how hard?

01:09:09.000 I'm not kidding.

01:09:11.000 How hard that dude hit my hand?

01:09:14.000 And he was like, and I was like, yeah, bro!

01:09:18.000 And he freaking hit my hand so hard that I actually thought, like, where's my labor mat?

01:09:25.000 Does someone up in the third row have that thing?

01:09:28.000 Because it got hit so hard.

01:09:30.000 Give him the Wikipedia page.

01:09:32.000 I'm working on all this. 1.00

01:09:33.000 This cat lady is a motherfucker. 1.00

01:09:36.000 I'm not kidding. 1.00

01:09:37.000 I know you're not.

01:09:44.000 Face paint, camouflage, your bow with all your arrows, and then you just roll right into the Four Seasons and no one tries.

01:09:50.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:09:51.000 They're super friendly.

01:09:52.000 They're like, did you get one?

01:09:53.000 Yeah.

01:09:54.000 They're talking that Hawaiian accent.

01:09:55.000 How'd you do today?

01:09:57.000 Well, like, think about that if you did that at any other hotel in the world.

01:09:59.000 Any other Four Seasons, for sure.

01:10:01.000 Yeah, Four Seasons in Beverly Hills. 1.00

01:10:02.000 They'd be like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:10:03.000 It's a terrorist attack. 1.00

01:10:04.000 Yeah, they'd call the police.

01:10:05.000 This has become John Dudley trying to research his erroneous tank aback.

01:10:11.000 I know you are, sweetie.

01:10:12.000 I think it was Wesley Walls.

01:10:14.000 I don't know who that is.

01:10:16.000 Exactly.

01:10:17.000 That's why I'd be right.

01:10:18.000 No.

01:10:19.000 No.

01:10:20.000 No.

01:10:20.000 If anyone out there can please...

01:10:23.000 Well, Ben has the fucking Wikipedia. 0.98

01:10:26.000 There's no Wesley Walsh. 0.97

01:10:27.000 I'm waiting about 2005 right now.

01:10:29.000 Listen, by the time 2005 rolled around, Tank wasn't...

01:10:33.000 I don't believe he was fighting in the UFC. I believe his last fights in the UFC were against Kimo and Frank Mir.

01:10:42.000 I think Frank Mir got him in a toehold.

01:10:45.000 I think Kimo got him in an arm triangle.

01:10:48.000 A head and arm choke.

01:10:50.000 I think that was his last fights in the UFC. Shout out to Tank Abbott, if you listen.

01:10:55.000 No disrespect.

01:10:56.000 Well, Tank.

01:10:57.000 He definitely didn't get KO'd by some dude that doesn't exist.

01:11:00.000 Yeah, he did. 0.99

01:11:01.000 He got the shit kicked out of his knee on that one fight I saw. 0.99

01:11:04.000 Yeah, that was Maurice. 0.99

01:11:05.000 Maurice Smith.

01:11:06.000 Maurice Smith was a world champion kickboxer and one of the first guys to have a world-class kickboxer.

01:11:13.000 All I know is Wesley, he was in white...

01:11:15.000 Compression shorts.

01:11:17.000 How many cat ladies did you have and how much peyote was mixed in? 1.00

01:11:26.000 He was struggling to barely stay alive in the first and in the second he literally came off the bell with this huge flying knee and freaking clock tank right here in the eye and he was down to the mat and the next day I saw a tank And Lou Ferrigno and freaking everybody else at the Arnold Classic.

01:11:49.000 And he had this huge freaking welt and he was knocked out in one kick.

01:11:54.000 One knee to the eye. 0.77

01:11:56.000 Boy, I wish this wasn't in a podcast so we could...

01:11:59.000 Well, I want to just tell you, the Arnold Classic seems amazing.

01:12:04.000 Who knows what it is?

01:12:07.000 Saturday, March 5th of 2005, here's what the event looked like.

01:12:11.000 It was a mixed martial arts festival, Olympic weightlifting, Arnold gymnastics challenge, Arnold dance Sport Classic.

01:12:18.000 Yes!

01:12:19.000 That's at 4, 8am.

01:12:20.000 Jesus!

01:12:21.000 Give me 9am!

01:12:22.000 Give me a time machine!

01:12:23.000 Now we're at 9am.

01:12:25.000 It's still early in the morning.

01:12:26.000 Take me back 12 years ago so I can witness this live!

01:12:29.000 9am.

01:12:30.000 Arnold Cheerleading Classic.

01:12:31.000 Dance Team Competition.

01:12:33.000 Arnold Strength Training Summit.

01:12:34.000 Arnold Table Tennis Challenge. 1.00

01:12:37.000 Meanwhile, while this was going on, Arnold was fucking his maid. 1.00

01:12:39.000 He was. 1.00

01:12:40.000 He was shooting loads into his maid.

01:12:41.000 We're going to Now we're at 10 a.m.

01:12:44.000 We've almost had a full day.

01:12:46.000 The yoga for sports clinics.

01:12:48.000 And then the arm wrestling finals.

01:12:50.000 Then the VIP photo opportunity with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

01:12:54.000 Amazing.

01:12:54.000 Then the Arnold Strongman.

01:12:55.000 And at 3 p.m.

01:12:56.000 the world record bench press challenge.

01:12:58.000 And at 7 p.m.

01:12:59.000 at the end of the day, the Arnold Strongman finals.

01:13:02.000 Where's the archery?

01:13:03.000 And there's a VIP buffet that for some reason...

01:13:05.000 No, VIP buffet slash dance party that starts at 10 p.m.

01:13:09.000 Slash dance party.

01:13:10.000 If you go back in time to 2005, the dance party starts at 10. Now here's the real question.

01:13:14.000 Do you dance first and get a good appetite?

01:13:17.000 Or do you eat first and dance sluggish?

01:13:20.000 There's no way to go to the first event that day and play through all day without cat ladies. 1.00

01:13:36.000 Have you found this mysterious person that haunts your dreams?

01:13:40.000 No, it's true.

01:13:41.000 They're not even real.

01:13:42.000 That person's not even real.

01:13:43.000 Well, the problem is cabbage has way more cabbage.

01:13:47.000 Then Walls did.

01:13:49.000 You mean Wesley Correa?

01:13:51.000 Yeah, but...

01:13:52.000 Well, whoever this Wesley Walls guy is, just Google that fictional person.

01:13:57.000 Wesley Walls is a receiver, I believe, for Carolina Panthers at some point.

01:14:00.000 He could have been.

01:14:01.000 I heard he was a bass fisherman on the Pro Tour.

01:14:05.000 I'm telling you.

01:14:08.000 He's a representative of Shimano.

01:14:13.000 Wait, no, it wasn't Wesley.

01:14:15.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:14:17.000 You're definitely right about that.

01:14:19.000 I'll let you off the hook.

01:14:20.000 Drop it now.

01:14:26.000 It's impossible not to. 0.99

01:14:28.000 There's certain shit you just can't question me on. 0.99

01:14:32.000 Mixed martial arts records are on that list. 0.99

01:14:34.000 If anyone out there...

01:14:37.000 They're definitely not right.

01:14:38.000 Listen, I've called more than 1,500 fights.

01:14:43.000 I've been working for the UFC since 1997. I'm definitely right.

01:14:48.000 Yes.

01:14:49.000 Yeah, I've watched every single one of Cabbage's and Tank Abbott's losses and wins.

01:14:55.000 Seen them all.

01:14:56.000 I've never seen any Cabbage fights. 1.00

01:14:58.000 Cabbage is a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:14:59.000 Had a hell of a chin. 1.00

01:15:01.000 The dude could take ridiculous punishment. 0.96

01:15:04.000 The Andre Orlovsky fight was a big proof of that.

01:15:07.000 So is a Tim Sylvia fight.

01:15:09.000 Could take some bombs.

01:15:11.000 Tough guy.

01:15:12.000 Tank Abbott KO'd him.

01:15:13.000 In Hawaii!

01:15:15.000 I know that all I can tell you is.

01:15:18.000 All I can tell you is three cat ladies in. 1.00

01:15:25.000 There's a lot in that litter box.

01:15:29.000 Toxoplasma.

01:15:30.000 I'm just telling you right now.

01:15:33.000 Wesley, if you're out there...

01:15:35.000 Wesley doesn't...

01:15:35.000 He's not even real.

01:15:36.000 You're gonna make him...

01:15:37.000 You're gonna make him...

01:15:38.000 It's like Candyman.

01:15:40.000 I think it was Wesley Sims.

01:15:40.000 Oh, Wes Sims!

01:15:42.000 Wes Sims, who beat Frank Mir, that might have been what you're thinking of.

01:15:46.000 He stomped him.

01:15:47.000 Wesley Wall is actually...

01:15:49.000 I don't think Wes Sims...

01:15:52.000 Oh, my God.

01:15:53.000 Oh, my.

01:15:54.000 Oh, sweet.

01:15:56.000 We gotta cut him off, folks. 0.94

01:15:58.000 We gotta cut him off. 0.95

01:15:59.000 We gotta cut him off. 0.83

01:16:01.000 Let's move on to other things that are more important.

01:16:03.000 What do we want to talk about?

01:16:05.000 You have this Wesley Walls, guys.

01:16:06.000 There's going to be a Wesley Walls.

01:16:08.000 There's going to be a new character that starts trolling your Instagram.

01:16:12.000 What a rematch, Tank Abbott.

01:16:15.000 I know I won.

01:16:16.000 They erased it from the record.

01:16:18.000 The Illuminati.

01:16:20.000 Scrubble.

01:16:21.000 Flat Earth.

01:16:23.000 Flat Earth.

01:16:23.000 Hollow Earth.

01:16:24.000 Square Earth.

01:16:25.000 I'm down with all them things.

01:16:27.000 That fight happened on the Flat Earth, bro. 0.98

01:16:29.000 Nobody landed on the fucking moon, I'll tell you that right now. 0.99

01:16:33.000 Dinosaurs aren't even real! 0.99

01:16:37.000 Joe and I had an interesting conversation to change the subject earlier today.

01:16:41.000 Discussing what hunting does to your psyche.

01:16:43.000 I feel like that's a pretty interesting thing to talk about while we're here.

01:16:46.000 In the midst of a table full of booze and great people that hunt.

01:16:51.000 Talk about what we were chatting about today.

01:16:53.000 I think it's the ultimate struggle.

01:16:55.000 I think that's why everybody at this table who also does very difficult things is attracted to it so much.

01:17:00.000 Because there's such finality to it.

01:17:05.000 I mean, everyone at this table has ended the life of an animal.

01:17:09.000 And it's very difficult to do.

01:17:11.000 And like we were talking about these animals jumping the string and these animals like so tuned in to what you're doing and your movement and your intentions.

01:17:20.000 And accomplishing that struggle and getting through that struggle, you know, It's very compelling, and I hate to use the word addictive because it has so many negative connotations attached to it, but it might be the best word to describe to it because it becomes a part of who you are.

01:17:38.000 I know, Shane, you've got this issue, right?

01:17:40.000 We all do, right?

01:17:52.000 I mean we've been talking a little too long.

01:17:54.000 He's like starting to get...

01:17:55.000 The addictive is not the killing part.

01:18:00.000 The addiction is the challenge to yourself mentally, physically.

01:18:04.000 Some of the things that you can do...

01:18:06.000 To come up against that ultimate challenge.

01:18:09.000 It's a singular event.

01:18:10.000 I see this deer, whatever type of deer it is, or I see this animal, and I've got to go get that thing.

01:18:16.000 Those singular events in your life, there's not a whole lot of those things.

01:18:19.000 Your daily life is super complex.

01:18:22.000 You're challenged on a lot of different existential levels.

01:18:24.000 This is all the layers of humanity.

01:18:27.000 You strip those things away.

01:18:28.000 And it's also constantly changing and moving.

01:18:31.000 It's not like bowling.

01:18:32.000 Like you step up to the line, the pins are set, you roll the ball, you knock them down.

01:18:37.000 It's so complex.

01:18:39.000 There's so many variables.

01:18:41.000 You're stalking.

01:18:42.000 Did I step on a twig?

01:18:44.000 Snap! 0.99

01:18:45.000 The deer pops his head up and looks at you.

01:18:47.000 Ah, I'm blown.

01:18:48.000 There's so many ways to blow it.

01:18:50.000 Yeah.

01:18:50.000 So many ways.

01:18:51.000 And it's never the same.

01:18:52.000 Like you said, like bowling or baseball or those things, you're trying to literally repeat the repetitive motion of that.

01:18:57.000 There is a repetitive motion in the process of drawing your bow and letting an arrow fly, but there's no repetition in what that situation requires.

01:19:05.000 Whether you have to shoot from a knee or whether you have to shoot at an angle or whether you have to wait or go quick. 0.98

01:19:10.000 Off your butt or off the tree.

01:19:12.000 There is no repetition in the actual experience of letting an arrow fly to deer. 0.99

01:19:16.000 No.

01:19:16.000 Which is the most challenging thing because there's almost no way to prepare for it.

01:19:21.000 And then the reward is also so primal.

01:19:24.000 You actually consume the animal.

01:19:27.000 You're eating it.

01:19:28.000 It's the most healthy.

01:19:30.000 And here's the crazy thing.

01:19:31.000 It's not like it's bad for you.

01:19:32.000 It's not like you kill a bag of Cheetos.

01:19:34.000 Yeah.

01:19:35.000 Right?

01:19:36.000 You're killing and eating the most nutritious animal that you can eat.

01:19:42.000 It's literally double the protein content per ounce than domestic beef.

01:19:48.000 I remember one time I talked to Andrew Zimmer in an interview.

01:19:51.000 I think that's how we met, just for an article for Peter's McTonic.

01:19:54.000 I was talking to Andrew Zimmer about it.

01:19:55.000 Of course, chef, traveler.

01:19:58.000 And he was like, man, I really think of killing a deer like plucking a tomato out of the garden when it's just the right amount.

01:20:05.000 It's plump and red.

01:20:07.000 It's ready to eat.

01:20:08.000 I think of killing a deer like I think of plucking that tomato and taking it into the kitchen.

01:20:13.000 That experience of growing that thing and slicing it up and feeding your family is similar to going out and killing something. 0.52

01:20:21.000 It is.

01:20:22.000 And hunting has made me want to garden and have chickens.

01:20:25.000 Hunting has flipped the switch for me to understand the feeling it takes to eat something that you've not only provided, but you've worked for and trained for and mentally suffered for at some level, physically too.

01:20:36.000 Well, and it's like a major...

01:20:37.000 You just have that real connection to your food, which you don't have otherwise.

01:20:40.000 You just don't.

01:20:41.000 Like, it's the same thing whether you're a...

01:20:44.000 You know, growing your own veggies or whatever you're doing in your garden or going out and getting your own meat, you know?

01:20:49.000 And it changes what your food is, right?

01:20:51.000 You're not peeling out of a cellophane container.

01:20:54.000 Well, just imagine that.

01:20:54.000 Like, just imagine the story of somebody saying, okay, you're a predator, you're a lion.

01:20:58.000 Well, years down the road, you're still a predator, but somebody else is going to deliver that That antelope to you.

01:21:04.000 Well, then you're not a predator.

01:21:05.000 Then you're just a meat consumer.

01:21:07.000 Then you're a lion as you walk into a Whole Foods.

01:21:10.000 There's going to be like all the African animals and something. 1.00

01:21:12.000 And you're like, I'm still a predator. 1.00

01:21:13.000 I'm going to eat this shit. 1.00

01:21:14.000 Right. 1.00

01:21:17.000 I'm still a lion.

01:21:18.000 I'm going to eat this.

01:21:19.000 But I don't mind.

01:21:20.000 I've taken off my claws and I'm just going to eat it because somebody put it here for me.

01:21:23.000 Not only am I going to eat it, it's going to be nice lighting on like a wall where it's presented in such a wonderful way.

01:21:29.000 There'll be a sticker that tells me what's in it.

01:21:31.000 With crushed ice.

01:21:33.000 Thanks, Luke.

01:21:36.000 You're so wonderful.

01:21:37.000 Imagine how ridiculous that would sound if you presented our predatory history as a human. 0.89

01:21:44.000 We evolved from cavemen throwing spears at things or cavemen going and eating the leftovers or whatever lions killed two million years ago to To the same caveman two million years later, walking around in a Whole Foods, peeling off the stickers of a piece of pork and thinking that's humane and okay.

01:22:03.000 It's also kind of a cop-out because people hate it when you say you have to experience it.

01:22:09.000 Because until you experience it, you really don't know what we're talking about.

01:22:12.000 But there is such a radical difference between eating a steak that you buy at a store and what that experience is and eating the back strap of an axis deer that you had to sneak up on.

01:22:23.000 You had to crawl on your hands and knees.

01:22:25.000 You had to wait for this thing to be cresting the ridge for the perfect opportunity to pass in front of the bush where you draw back.

01:22:32.000 Your heart is pounding.

01:22:33.000 You're centering your bubble on your rest. 0.99

01:22:37.000 You're on your sight, and you're just drawing back, and you're just making sure you don't fuck this up, and you see that arrow launch, and you see it slam into his ribcage, and you're like, fuck, I got him! 0.99

01:22:49.000 And you see it run, and you see it fall over, and its legs kick... 0.99

01:22:53.000 And then you cut it up and then you cook it while you're eating that thing.

01:22:57.000 You're thinking about what happened.

01:23:00.000 You know how that animal died.

01:23:02.000 You were there.

01:23:03.000 You understand.

01:23:04.000 You respect it in a way that no one ever respects anything that comes in a ground beef package wrapped in plastic, sitting on styrofoam, laying on crushed ice.

01:23:17.000 It's not the same.

01:23:18.000 It's just not.

01:23:19.000 There's five people sitting around this table.

01:23:20.000 All of us are accomplishing our own things that we do and work hard at what we do and what we love.

01:23:25.000 We all have families and we all have lives.

01:23:29.000 But we are all eaten up.

01:23:31.000 We are all of us.

01:23:32.000 Think about this.

01:23:33.000 That moment you just described all the time.

01:23:36.000 It's almost all I ever think about.

01:23:38.000 Whenever I'm not doing that is what I'm thinking about.

01:23:40.000 That's what I'm thinking about.

01:23:42.000 I'm planning on doing it again.

01:23:43.000 Shane is like that, but maybe worse than some people I've ever seen.

01:23:47.000 That's why he's so good.

01:23:48.000 He's so good, but how powerful it is for all these people.

01:23:52.000 He's from Hawaii.

01:23:53.000 I'm from Maryland.

01:23:54.000 You're from, give it to me.

01:23:56.000 Boston.

01:23:57.000 Born in New Jersey.

01:23:59.000 Living in California.

01:24:00.000 We've got Iowa.

01:24:00.000 We've got South Dakota.

01:24:01.000 All these people from diverse backgrounds live in different places.

01:24:04.000 Find a connection in that same thing.

01:24:06.000 Like, that experience is so powerful that it brings people together from all these crazy things.

01:24:12.000 And when some people say, why do you hunt?

01:24:14.000 I'd be like, that's part of it.

01:24:15.000 There's a myriad of reasons.

01:24:16.000 But that's one of the things.

01:24:18.000 Like, sitting in a room with people that all think the same way about that experience.

01:24:22.000 Crazy.

01:24:23.000 I remember listening to a Jim Shockey commercial where Jim Shockey was talking about hunting.

01:24:28.000 And he said, when I'm not hunting, I'm thinking about hunting. 0.99

01:24:31.000 I was like, what the fuck is wrong with this dude? 0.99

01:24:34.000 I had never hunted. 0.99

01:24:36.000 You can't relate.

01:24:37.000 I couldn't relate.

01:24:38.000 I was like, wow.

01:24:39.000 Because I had watched a bunch of hunting television shows and a bunch of hunting things before I ever got into hunting.

01:24:45.000 And I remember thinking, what I wanted to do was I was so disconnected between meat, And the death of an animal.

01:24:55.000 So disconnected.

01:24:56.000 So I was like, well, I need to see it happen or I need to do it myself.

01:25:01.000 Maybe I need to hunt.

01:25:02.000 So I started watching these hunting shows. 0.99

01:25:04.000 I would go to channel 605 on fucking DirecTV. 0.99

01:25:07.000 I'm like, what are these freaks up to? 0.99

01:25:10.000 Some strange area of the dial of the channels where I never go to.

01:25:16.000 And then I started watching Jim Shockey's show.

01:25:18.000 And then I watched Steve Rinell's The Wild Within.

01:25:21.000 I remember that.

01:25:22.000 And I watched Ted Nugent's Spirit of the Wild.

01:25:24.000 And I was like, what is going on?

01:25:26.000 Like, what are these people up to?

01:25:28.000 And I got sort of this weird desire to try this.

01:25:33.000 And it took forever before I actually finally did it.

01:25:36.000 And when I finally did it, it was with Ronella.

01:25:38.000 But once I finally did it, and I shot a mule deer, and then we're eating it by the fire, I'm like, oh, I'm doing this forever.

01:25:44.000 It was immediate.

01:25:45.000 I was like, I'm doing this forever.

01:25:46.000 When we first met, me and Sam, we shot a moose.

01:25:50.000 Two couple hours later, we were in a tiny little house in British Columbia.

01:25:54.000 You were cooking the liver and onions of the moose you just shot, and the heart, the slicing of the heart of the moose you just shot, and we were eating it, and I was just sitting on the table thinking, like, here's a guy who's been through more than I'll ever go through.

01:26:07.000 Here's a guy who's experienced more life than a lot of folks.

01:26:09.000 Who's like discovered this thing and not only discovered it, but jumped into it with both feet and is eating heart and liver.

01:26:17.000 I mean, I know a lot of hunters that don't want to experience that or don't open their minds to experience eating organs or whatever.

01:26:25.000 But you jump into that thing and you say, like, I want all of it.

01:26:27.000 I want every piece of the experience and I don't want to miss anything.

01:26:31.000 And then once you start to do that, I mean, that's three years ago we hunted.

01:26:35.000 Yeah.

01:26:35.000 And how much has your mind changed about hunting in those three years?

01:26:39.000 A lot.

01:26:40.000 Well, in those three years, I went from being almost exclusively rifle in the beginning, which is probably a good way to get started because it's more reliable, to being almost exclusively archery.

01:26:54.000 And one of the things that struck me about it is one of the things that strikes me about a lot of things about this crazy life that we live is that I don't think most people are seeing everything.

01:27:06.000 And I think that we live a life with blinders on.

01:27:08.000 I think one of the reasons why we do that is because life becomes...

01:27:12.000 More and more complex the longer we live.

01:27:15.000 We have more and more responsibilities.

01:27:18.000 We have family and they have more and more responsibilities.

01:27:21.000 We're involved in all these responsibilities.

01:27:23.000 We accumulate debt and we accumulate all these different tasks that require our attention.

01:27:30.000 And those things chew up a lot of your time on this earth.

01:27:33.000 And somewhere along the line, you forget a lot of things.

01:27:36.000 You forget that you're an organism.

01:27:38.000 You forget that you're an organism that has this unique ability to communicate and share ideas.

01:27:44.000 And because of this unique ability to communicate, we have this...

01:27:48.000 I mean, this is what we're doing right now.

01:27:50.000 We're sharing these ideas.

01:27:52.000 And these ideas resonate with other people and they elevate the way and expand the way other people look at life.

01:27:59.000 And their words and their ideas expand our concepts of life.

01:28:05.000 And I think that...

01:28:07.000 When you stumble across something as intense as hunting, or even as archery, you know, which is, I mean, even without hunting, I've said time and time again, if you're a vegan, you should do archery just the same, for the same reason you should do yoga, for the same reason you should meditate.

01:28:23.000 But I think that when you stumble across something that is a real game changer, it's almost like your responsibility.

01:28:29.000 I feel like, in a lot of ways, what I do with my life is I'm like a little bit...

01:28:36.000 Ahead in terms of like there's like a path.

01:28:39.000 I'm a little maybe ahead of where I should be.

01:28:41.000 And I'm like, guys, you gotta see this!

01:28:43.000 Come on! 0.61

01:28:44.000 It's safe!

01:28:45.000 You know, I'm almost like, come on, come on!

01:28:47.000 Dude, I'm telling you!

01:28:49.000 Come on over here! 0.99

01:28:50.000 Look at this!

01:28:51.000 And I really feel like that.

01:28:53.000 And I feel like we all do that to a certain extent. 0.94

01:28:56.000 And I think some people are very hesitant to do that because they don't want to be sh**. 0.98

01:29:02.000 Brandon f**ked us! 1.00

01:29:05.000 Bran is our fan, but I fucked us. 1.00

01:29:07.000 I forgot to put my phone on airplane. 0.93

01:29:11.000 I think that hunting, like a lot of things in life, is not for everybody, and you don't have to do it.

01:29:19.000 But the experience is so intense that most people who do do it feel required to let everyone know that there's something else out there.

01:29:30.000 The life that we live inside these barriers, And these civilization, confinements, the walls and the structures of cities and of language and culture,

01:29:47.000 all of those erode when you're on a spot and stalk.

01:29:53.000 In Hawaii and you're sneaking up on some deer that just wants to stay alive.

01:29:58.000 It goes back to your role in humanity but also in society.

01:30:05.000 I feel more accomplished as a human being because I have the ability to shoot an axis deer with a bow. 0.81

01:30:12.000 I don't think someone that can do that is less accomplished but I feel like As a part of my skill set as a human, the skill set of my evolution as a person, that has been a tool for me to use to gain perspective.

01:30:28.000 We were talking about some trips that I've been on.

01:30:32.000 There's no way.

01:30:33.000 Yeah, maybe there's some photos on social media or some things to denote my accomplishment or what I killed or the mountains I climbed or the things I've done.

01:30:42.000 The perspective you gain that you take on with you that kind of bleeds out into your work life and your social life and all the things, your interactions with other people, those things can't be measured.

01:30:54.000 So there's some level of measurement that you just can't get from hunting.

01:30:58.000 When we do stuff like this together as a group, there's just some level of...

01:31:01.000 I'd go to SHOT Show, go to the biggest hunting trade show where we had that video of us getting drunk and screaming.

01:31:08.000 I think sometimes people have never been to that show.

01:31:11.000 They don't realize the people that I see there and that Sam sees there and that Dudley sees there and that you see when you come.

01:31:18.000 Same for Shane.

01:31:20.000 There's a certain type of hug that you give that person that you've hunted with.

01:31:23.000 There's a bro hug that has more intensity than somebody you just know.

01:31:28.000 Somebody you may have had a drink with or had dinner with sometimes.

01:31:31.000 When I see somebody I've hunted with, we freaking...

01:31:34.000 We roll out.

01:31:35.000 We embrace each other.

01:31:36.000 I think there's that shared experience like, man, I'm finally good to see it.

01:31:39.000 There's a little bit of that energy back in the room from that time we went access to your hunting.

01:31:44.000 I would say that's proof that hunting connects people as much as it does anything else.

01:31:50.000 It connects us as people.

01:31:52.000 Yeah, and there's some people that want it to go away.

01:31:54.000 There's some people that want meat-eating entirely to go away.

01:31:57.000 And they don't want animals to be consumed.

01:32:02.000 But...

01:32:04.000 I feel like where we are right now, I mean, I understand this longing for some utopian existence where nothing has to suffer and nothing has to die.

01:32:15.000 But that's not currently available.

01:32:17.000 It's not currently available in the wild world.

01:32:20.000 It's not currently available in the human world.

01:32:22.000 And I think we as a species should do the best that we can to be nice to each other.

01:32:27.000 But we should also understand that these animals, they do not have the capacity to understand.

01:32:35.000 They do not have the capacity for reason, for calculation, for coordination of resources.

01:32:43.000 These things don't exist.

01:32:45.000 And lanai is one of the best examples of that.

01:32:47.000 It's infested with deer.

01:32:49.000 It's great for someone who wants to come here and be a bow hunter.

01:32:53.000 It would be terrible if you were a plant.

01:33:03.000 I mean, they had to kill off all the goats because they brought so many goats on this island.

01:33:08.000 The goats ate all the vegetation to the point where there was no more rainfall. 1.00

01:33:14.000 Stop and think about that shit. 1.00

01:33:16.000 They ate everything. 1.00

01:33:18.000 It was a fucking desert. 1.00

01:33:20.000 The people that lived here were like, hey man, we gotta kill these goddamn goats so the water comes back. 1.00

01:33:26.000 You know, and you can't just like kumbaya them and, hey guys, you gotta eat only your fair share of lettuce. 0.99

01:33:34.000 It doesn't really work that way.

01:33:35.000 Well, that's what you said.

01:33:36.000 Like, I'm no wildlife management expert, but there is, like, these islands like this, you know, coming from New Zealand last month and coming to this island of Lanai, you just realize what happens in a closed ecosystem, like a place where there is no opportunity for things to move on.

01:33:52.000 I mean, there just is no opportunity for...

01:33:54.000 And biodiversity is like...

01:33:56.000 One of the most important things that you could have here.

01:33:59.000 So when you have one or two species dominating the landscape, that's trouble.

01:34:03.000 That is trouble.

01:34:04.000 And so what do you do at that point?

01:34:06.000 You can't, like you said, you can't snuggle these deer off this island. 1.00

01:34:10.000 You kill them. 1.00

01:34:10.000 You bring a shitload of arrows. 1.00

01:34:12.000 Yeah, you bring a shitload of arrows.

01:34:13.000 You bring 50 arrows in a big old yeti cooler.

01:34:17.000 Wildlife biologists and, well, the Department of Wildlife in California has done a very interesting thing.

01:34:25.000 And it's very controversial.

01:34:26.000 But what they've done is they've outlawed hunting predators.

01:34:29.000 You can't hunt mountain lions.

01:34:31.000 So because of that, there's very few deer.

01:34:33.000 And because of that, you really don't have to worry about deer accidents.

01:34:37.000 Deer and car accidents kill animals.

01:34:39.000 I think it's a hundred and fifty people a year and there's I think it's actually 200 people a year and 1.5 million accidents I think it's about somewhere around there which is insane and John where you live I mean you're the perfect person to talk to about that when I came to your place dude we were there during the rut and we saw a deer bouncing in front of the road left and right We saw dead deer on the side of the road,

01:35:06.000 left and right.

01:35:07.000 I mean, people are constantly smashing into them, right?

01:35:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:11.000 We did that on the podcast with you.

01:35:13.000 It says an estimated 1.23 million deer vehicle collisions occurred in the U.S. between July 1, 2011 and June 30, 2012, costing more than $4 million in vehicle damage.

01:35:31.000 $4 billion.

01:35:32.000 $4 billion in vehicle damage according to State Farm. 0.98

01:35:37.000 I'd be like, damn, that's a cheap accident. 0.96

01:35:39.000 1.5 million car accidents only cost $4 million? 0.98

01:35:43.000 This is amazing.

01:35:44.000 What kind of cars are we making?

01:35:48.000 America! 1.00

01:35:49.000 Goddamn tanks driving around knocking these faggot deer off the road. 1.00

01:35:58.000 Wow, that's incredible. 1.00

01:36:00.000 $4 billion a year.

01:36:02.000 200 deaths in 4 billion a year.

01:36:05.000 200 deaths.

01:36:06.000 That is truly incredible.

01:36:08.000 But that's an imbalanced ecosystem.

01:36:10.000 That's too many deer.

01:36:11.000 I mean, it's great if you want to live in Iowa like John Dudley and Whack them and stack them. 0.95

01:36:17.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.99

01:36:18.000 Unless aliens come down on spaceships and start fucking setting up blinds. 0.99

01:36:24.000 Why would aliens come to a flat earth? 0.99

01:36:28.000 Why would they come to a flat earth?

01:36:29.000 The same reason why we come to Lanai.

01:36:31.000 So they can do heads or tails? 0.98

01:36:33.000 It's hard to get here, but it's a target-rich environment. 0.99

01:36:35.000 They have nuclear slingshots, and they like to take us out from the fucking skies. 0.99

01:36:40.000 They like to hide behind clouds. 0.99

01:36:42.000 Cat lady's getting deep. 1.00

01:36:44.000 We just got to get really good at bobbing and weaving.

01:36:47.000 And the dudes who have good headband are going to live.

01:36:51.000 I'll come to whatever feeder they set up.

01:36:55.000 What if it's like an In-N-Out burger feeder? 0.99

01:36:57.000 Like, damn! 0.99

01:36:58.000 I didn't know. 0.99

01:37:00.000 I never thought of that.

01:37:03.000 Aliens made In-N-Out burger?

01:37:05.000 Imagine.

01:37:06.000 It would be delicious.

01:37:07.000 Imagine if they start looking into In-N-Out burger, they're like, there's no one who formed this corporation.

01:37:11.000 Like, we've gone deep into the...

01:37:14.000 They're the only person that doesn't have a bun?

01:37:19.000 So, all, like...

01:37:23.000 How the in-shape, actually, physically superior people are going there.

01:37:28.000 They figured out how to attack the rutting elk. 0.99

01:37:30.000 Oh, damn it. 0.99

01:37:31.000 The rutting bull elk of the humans. 0.99

01:37:34.000 Why are those big trail cams by the Whole Foods?

01:37:37.000 What's that thing on the light post?

01:37:39.000 Nothing. 1.00

01:37:40.000 What are your burgers, pussy? 1.00

01:37:46.000 All humans do is consume. 1.00

01:37:48.000 We just wake up in the morning and consume.

01:37:49.000 And produce.

01:37:51.000 We could look at the negative side all day, but we're the reasons why there's irrigation and cell phones and satellite dishes.

01:37:58.000 It's good and bad, and that big-ass TV. Look at that big-ass TV. That wasn't made by squirrels.

01:38:03.000 That's true.

01:38:06.000 I argue with vegans all the time that hunters are trying to do the same thing as them.

01:38:12.000 I think vegans mean well.

01:38:14.000 I really do. 0.80

01:38:15.000 I think most of them mean well and I think most of them look at us the same way a lot of people look at a lot of things that they're ignorant to.

01:38:22.000 They cast these judgments on it and it's not because they're bad people.

01:38:26.000 It's because they just don't understand the full complexity of all the variables that are involved in this equation that is life.

01:38:35.000 Emotional attachment to their worldview.

01:38:38.000 Veganism is part of their emotional view of the world.

01:38:41.000 Oh! 0.60

01:38:43.000 The many bars empty! 1.00

01:38:45.000 Open that beer with a fucking custom knock-on knife, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

01:38:50.000 Before I get yelled at by my kids, I gotta wrap this bitch up. 1.00

01:38:55.000 It's 3.09 here. 0.98

01:38:58.000 Yeah, perfect timing.

01:38:59.000 Our friends are picking us up to go hunting right now, too.

01:39:01.000 Yeah, that's probably why Brandon was calling us.

01:39:03.000 Yeah, it's 3-0-9.

01:39:04.000 3-0-9.

01:39:06.000 So, everyone.

01:39:08.000 Ladies and gentlemen.

01:39:08.000 Hey, if you were at the 2005 Arnold Classic.

01:39:11.000 Ah!

01:39:13.000 Come on, man.

01:39:14.000 I know you've Googled.

01:39:15.000 No, no, no.

01:39:16.000 Wes Sims.

01:39:17.000 Wes Sims.

01:39:18.000 Wes Sims.

01:39:19.000 With the knee to the face in the second round, please, somehow.

01:39:23.000 All right.

01:39:24.000 Well, I think we realized that the perfect arrow is in Adele's song.

01:39:33.000 Oh, my phone died.

01:39:35.000 I think we realized that.

01:39:37.000 We realized that Sam's vision for creating this hunting bus is a beautiful thing.

01:39:42.000 We realized that Shane Dorian is addicted to bow hunting.

01:39:46.000 We did.

01:39:47.000 We realized that Yeti coolers are the greatest coolers on the planet Earth.

01:39:51.000 We realized that we're coming back to Lanai every year. 1.00

01:39:55.000 We're not telling you when, though, you fucking weirdos. 0.99

01:39:58.000 Don't go stalking us. 1.00

01:40:00.000 Don't, please.

01:40:02.000 That's it.

01:40:03.000 Live from Lanai.

01:40:05.000 Thank you very much for tuning in, ladies and gentlemen.

01:40:08.000 Please check out Knock On Podcast if you're into archery.

01:40:12.000 Knock On TV. Knock On TV? What?

01:40:14.000 Knock On Podcast.

01:40:15.000 What's your podcast?

01:40:16.000 I thought you were doing this. 1.00

01:40:17.000 Damn it, John. 1.00

01:40:18.000 Cat ladies! 1.00

01:40:19.000 Check out my new Instagram, at Wesley Walls.

01:40:24.000 Wesley Walls will be trolling the Knock On Podcast.

01:40:28.000 Social media feed.

01:40:29.000 Leslie Walls was a tight end for the Panthers. 0.93

01:40:33.000 Sam Soholt, you can check out the build.

01:40:35.000 It's all live on Instagram.

01:40:38.000 Is it on your Instagram story or also on Instagram as well?

01:40:41.000 I'll do both.

01:40:42.000 Both.

01:40:43.000 Shane Dorian, one of the baddest motherfuckers on the planet Earth. 1.00

01:40:46.000 Respect. 1.00

01:40:47.000 John Dudley, you're the man, even though you're wrong about that Arnold Classic bullshit. 0.91

01:40:51.000 Can't wait to preview it. 0.97

01:40:53.000 I was there!

01:40:55.000 Wait, you're going to starve to death before it happens.

01:40:58.000 Alright folks, that's it. 0.94

01:40:59.000 Coming at you live from paradise.

01:41:02.000 Respect.

01:41:02.000 Big kiss.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 17, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience - Podcast In Paradise (Audio Only)

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