The Joe Rogan Experience - February 26, 2021


JRE MMA Show #102 with Dustin Poirier

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Dustin Poirier is a UFC lightweight champion and one of the best fighters in the history of the division. He's been in the UFC for 11 years and has a record of 5-2. He talks about how he got to where he is now, what it takes to get to that point, and what he's learned along the way. He also talks about what it's like to be on the losing end of a UFC fight, and how important it is to have confidence in yourself and your ability to bounce back after a loss. He also shares some of the lessons he learned from his losses and how he uses them as fuel to keep pushing forward and keep improving. It was an honor to have Dustin on the show and I hope you enjoy this episode! The Joe Rogan Experience is a series of interviews with professional mixed martial artists from the world of the martial arts industry where they discuss what it means to be a UFC fighter and what it really takes to be successful in the sport of mixed martial arts. This episode is a must-listen and is definitely worth the listen! -Joe Rogan and John Grzegorek Thanks for listening and supporting the show. -Jon Sorrentino and Jonny Bynum Thank you so much for being a part of the podcast and supporting this podcast and making it what it is! Cheers, Jon and John :) - Jon & Jonny - Your support is greatly appreciated! Jon and Jon and we appreciate it greatly. Love ya, Jon & appreciate you. - The Joe and Jon's support is so much more than you can do so much, we really appreciate it. -Jon & Jon's love you, Jonny's support us, appreciate you, you're a lot more than we can do it. Thank you for supporting us, we appreciate you and appreciate you for making this podcast, we're very much appreciate it, we mean it, Jon's appreciation you, much more, you mean a lot, and we really do it, it means a lot. XOXO. -A LOTS OF THANK YOU, JONY & AJ & AJ. -JONY - THE BOY, JOE RYAN & JODY OYO - Thank you, JOSY & JORO & JUICY POOYO, etc. - MALAYA AND KELLY PODCAST

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00:00:02.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:14.000 Dustin Poirier.
00:00:14.000 What's up, brother?
00:00:15.000 What's happening, man?
00:00:16.000 Good to have you here, man.
00:00:17.000 Good to finally be here.
00:00:18.000 What does it feel like right now?
00:00:19.000 You're on the top of the world, son!
00:00:22.000 Feels good.
00:00:22.000 You know, everybody's asking me that, like...
00:00:25.000 But I've been fighting for a while, so it's just...
00:00:27.000 It's another win.
00:00:28.000 It's a big one.
00:00:29.000 You know, the guy's such a celebrity, but just another win.
00:00:32.000 Well, if you look at your last, like there was a, I think it was an Instagram post or someone put up, your last victories, all the guys that you've beaten.
00:00:40.000 Like, dude, I mean, you talk about earning your way to the top.
00:00:44.000 I mean, you went through a fucking who's who, a murderer's row of the 155 pound division. 0.97
00:00:50.000 I mean, you earned it. 0.99
00:00:53.000 I mean, you really did earn it.
00:00:55.000 Paid in full.
00:00:55.000 Yeah, 100%, Matt.
00:00:58.000 Yeah.
00:01:00.000 I'm trying to keep adding them, Joe.
00:01:01.000 I know.
00:01:02.000 I know you are.
00:01:03.000 But yeah, I think it's five or six world champions that I beat in the UFC. Yeah.
00:01:07.000 Pettis, Gaethje, Eddie, Max, Conor.
00:01:12.000 Yeah.
00:01:13.000 Huge.
00:01:14.000 I don't know if there's another one in there, but that's enough.
00:01:15.000 Those are giant victories, man.
00:01:17.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:01:17.000 Giant, giant victories.
00:01:19.000 And for a guy like you, who's been at it for a long time, you just keep getting better.
00:01:24.000 You just keep improving.
00:01:26.000 You just keep adding on.
00:01:27.000 And more important, I think, than...
00:01:30.000 Or not more important, or as important as any of those things, is your composure.
00:01:34.000 Your composure now is at the top of the heap.
00:01:38.000 Yeah, I'm really comfortable in there.
00:01:40.000 And I trust myself. 0.53
00:01:42.000 Even when shit's going to get bad in there, I just trust myself to find a way. 0.88
00:01:46.000 And I think that comes with fighting at the highest level for as long as I have. 0.94
00:01:50.000 I've been going on like 11 years in the UFC. It also like being at the brink a couple of times like the Jim Miller fight when your leg was so fucked up. 0.98
00:02:01.000 You talk about like lessons learned and how they pay off later. 0.93
00:02:04.000 Yeah. 0.96
00:02:05.000 So interesting because your leg was so fucked up in that fight and then to have you debilitate Connor in the exact same way and then stop him right after that. 0.98
00:02:14.000 Yeah, dude, that was so painful. 0.98
00:02:16.000 That was the first time I've been calf kicked in an actual fight.
00:02:18.000 And I thought my leg was broken.
00:02:20.000 We went to the hospital.
00:02:21.000 They gave me morphine in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.
00:02:24.000 It was jacked up.
00:02:26.000 And then the altitude, you know, after flying back home, I couldn't walk.
00:02:29.000 I couldn't walk for a few days.
00:02:30.000 Wow.
00:02:31.000 Yeah.
00:02:32.000 I remember that fight because I remember there was a moment where it seemed like you couldn't move, but then you got the takedown.
00:02:37.000 Yeah.
00:02:38.000 He threw another kick.
00:02:39.000 I think I caught his foot and tripped him up.
00:02:40.000 Yeah, I had to get him down.
00:02:42.000 And that's what I'm talking about, finding a way. 1.00
00:02:43.000 Like, I trust myself to grab that damn foot. 0.96
00:02:46.000 Yeah but isn't it crazy how those pivotal moments in a fight like it could go this way or it could go that way and it goes your way and then you know you see guys careers teeter in the balance of those pivotal moments. 0.99
00:02:58.000 Yeah if it goes that way a couple times in a row a lot of guys can't come back from that.
00:03:02.000 But we were talking recently about Anderson Silva.
00:03:05.000 You think about Anderson Silva's spectacular career, and then Weidman knocks him out, and then he doesn't win another fight for years.
00:03:12.000 He wins one fight with a decision over Derek Brunson, and that's it.
00:03:16.000 Every fight since then, he's lost, which is crazy.
00:03:19.000 Yeah.
00:03:20.000 I don't want to say that that's because of just his age and decline, but it could be that, or it could be some guys just don't know how to lose.
00:03:27.000 Some guys just don't know how to lose.
00:03:29.000 He's been on top, so successful for so long, and you start getting...
00:03:32.000 You realize you're human.
00:03:33.000 I'm not saying that's his case, but I've seen it happen.
00:03:35.000 Yeah, it definitely can happen.
00:03:37.000 That is an important thing, right?
00:03:39.000 Learning how to lose.
00:03:41.000 Because there's some guys that, for whatever reason, they have all this confidence, all this momentum, and then they lose.
00:03:49.000 When they lose a fight, it's not just that they lost the fight.
00:03:52.000 They lose 30% of who they are.
00:03:54.000 They lose their aura.
00:03:56.000 They lose their confidence.
00:03:57.000 They lose this feeling that no one's going to beat them.
00:04:01.000 Yeah.
00:04:01.000 I think the important thing with that is remaining a student.
00:04:04.000 Like, when I take my losses, I go back to the gym and try to drown myself in work and remain a student.
00:04:09.000 It kind of blocks out all the thoughts and all the critics.
00:04:13.000 I just get back to work, train hard, and it just drowns all that negativity out.
00:04:17.000 And I think you have to remain a student for longevity in the sport.
00:04:20.000 Because it's one thing to make it there, it's a whole other thing to stay there.
00:04:23.000 And these guys who get to that pinnacle and stay there for a while, then they lose.
00:04:28.000 Are they still that student that they were that got them to that height, you know?
00:04:31.000 Yeah.
00:04:32.000 Now, you're living in Louisiana, but you train American Top Team for your fights.
00:04:38.000 How far out do you go down there?
00:04:40.000 At least eight weeks, I try.
00:04:42.000 Now, my fights are bigger, so before, you know, in the past, I would have a fight six weeks notice, but now the fights are bigger, so there's more buildup, and I usually try to get at least eight weeks.
00:04:52.000 And in between fights, how do you schedule your workouts?
00:04:56.000 Say like right now.
00:04:57.000 You win this big fight over Connor.
00:04:59.000 What are your workouts like now?
00:05:01.000 So I have a personal gym in Louisiana, and a bunch of my buddies that I grew up with fighting in Louisiana have gyms as well.
00:05:07.000 So I train with their guys, and I train with those guys who will get together at my gym, just throw something together, or I'll go to one of their classes.
00:05:14.000 And I just stay in the mix with that.
00:05:16.000 This Saturday, I'm going to Mississippi.
00:05:17.000 We have a local guy who I train with fighting out there.
00:05:20.000 I just stay in the mix.
00:05:21.000 I stay in different gyms, working on stuff.
00:05:23.000 Is Alan Belcher down there?
00:05:25.000 Alan Belcher's in Mississippi.
00:05:26.000 He's in Mississippi.
00:05:27.000 Yeah, but Tim Crater's in Louisiana, Lafayette.
00:05:29.000 Crazy Tim.
00:05:30.000 Nuts.
00:05:31.000 I met that guy in 98, I think?
00:05:34.000 99, something like that?
00:05:35.000 He was the first black belt in Louisiana.
00:05:37.000 Is he really?
00:05:37.000 Yeah, he was the Machado guy.
00:05:39.000 I trained with him at John Jock's.
00:05:42.000 Rodrigo Medeiros.
00:05:43.000 That's what he is?
00:05:44.000 Yeah.
00:05:44.000 Okay.
00:05:44.000 Yeah, I'm a black belt under Tim.
00:05:46.000 So Rodrigo Medeiros under Carlson Gracie?
00:05:47.000 Yes, sir.
00:05:48.000 That's right.
00:05:48.000 Yeah, Carlson Gracie, for sure.
00:05:49.000 Yeah.
00:05:50.000 Well, he was very high level early on in the game.
00:05:55.000 Yeah, I think he's picked it up in the Navy out in San Diego or something.
00:05:57.000 He started doing jujitsu at a young age and then brought it back to Louisiana.
00:06:01.000 And then started choking these Cajuns out, man. 0.99
00:06:03.000 Yeah, I trained other Rodrigo Medeiros when he was at Carlson's place on Hawthorne in Hollywood.
00:06:10.000 That's like when I was at White Belt when I first started in 96. Long time ago.
00:06:15.000 Yeah, back when Vitor was 19 years old and he fought John Hess in Hawaii.
00:06:20.000 Jacked.
00:06:21.000 Yeah.
00:06:22.000 Jacked.
00:06:25.000 Yeah.
00:06:25.000 Rodrigo still comes down to Louisiana for seminars.
00:06:27.000 Does he really?
00:06:28.000 Please tell him I said hello.
00:06:29.000 I will for sure.
00:06:30.000 Good dude.
00:06:30.000 Real good dude.
00:06:30.000 Really nice guy.
00:06:31.000 Yeah, it's crazy like the lineages of jujitsu and martial arts and you know where you meet people and train people and learn under their tutelage.
00:06:40.000 Yeah, and it's growing so much, but it's still a small circle, even though it's growing as fast as it is.
00:06:46.000 Everybody knows somebody that knows somebody.
00:06:49.000 Legitimately, yeah.
00:06:50.000 So you have your own gym.
00:06:52.000 What's it called?
00:06:52.000 My gym is Diamond Training Center.
00:06:54.000 It's just a private gym.
00:06:55.000 And you got your own hot sauce, which I need to try.
00:06:58.000 Stay spicy.
00:06:59.000 Stay spicy.
00:06:59.000 Louisiana hot sauce.
00:07:02.000 So, your gym, is it an MMA gym?
00:07:06.000 Yeah, but it's a private gym, so there's no classes being run there.
00:07:09.000 I just rent out a warehouse space that I ever last helped me deck the whole thing out.
00:07:13.000 I have mats there and heavy bags.
00:07:16.000 And it's just like a personal space where me and guys get together, drill stuff, or I get bag work in.
00:07:20.000 Oh, that's great.
00:07:21.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:07:21.000 So you don't have to deal with bullshit. 1.00
00:07:23.000 Exactly. 1.00
00:07:23.000 You don't have to deal with fanboys and nonsense. 1.00
00:07:26.000 Yeah, people asking for pictures and stuff like that.
00:07:27.000 Oh, yeah.
00:07:28.000 That would be annoying.
00:07:29.000 Oh, that's cool.
00:07:30.000 So you got your...
00:07:31.000 How many square feet is it?
00:07:32.000 It's probably 3,000 square feet maybe.
00:07:35.000 Oh, perfect.
00:07:36.000 Yeah.
00:07:36.000 It's big.
00:07:37.000 Enough for me and my guys.
00:07:38.000 Everything you need in there.
00:07:39.000 Yeah, and we never have more than like six guys on the mat at once, so it's plenty of room.
00:07:43.000 So are you drawing from other gyms, like when you take your training partners?
00:07:49.000 Yeah, so like I said, the guys who kind of I came up with in Louisiana fighting, they all have their own gyms now.
00:07:54.000 And they all have their own, you know, teams, fight teams.
00:07:57.000 And the higher level guys will just, I'll set a time, we have a group text and say, hey, I'm going to be at my gym.
00:08:01.000 If you want to show up, we train.
00:08:03.000 Otherwise, I go to their gyms and run classes with them.
00:08:06.000 And do you have local boxing coaches or local Muay Thai coaches or jiu-jitsu coaches that you work with?
00:08:13.000 Yeah, I have a boxing coach in Louisiana.
00:08:15.000 And my kickboxing, I kind of do with the students.
00:08:18.000 We just work stuff back and forth, a lot of Holland drills, a lot of Thai pads.
00:08:22.000 But I don't have somebody I work with on a regular basis, really, for striking there.
00:08:28.000 I just kind of move around and have fun.
00:08:31.000 So when you get ready for a camp, like say if you get ready for a Conor fight or a Khabib fight or something like that, when you go down to American Top Team, who formulates the game plans?
00:08:40.000 Is it Mike Brown?
00:08:41.000 Yeah.
00:08:42.000 Yeah, he's a mastermind.
00:08:43.000 Yeah, he's a good dude, man.
00:08:45.000 Been around forever, too.
00:08:46.000 Yeah, a pioneer, man.
00:08:47.000 Yep.
00:08:49.000 Fighting over in Bodog and WC, everywhere.
00:08:54.000 He's the man.
00:08:54.000 But he puts together my training camp.
00:08:57.000 And I've been fighting for long enough.
00:08:58.000 I kind of self-regulate throughout camp.
00:08:59.000 But Mike Brown puts down the meat and potatoes of what we need to work on and focus on.
00:09:04.000 And so, when you get down there, like, say a fight, like a Khabib fight or something like that, you have, like, specific things you want to work on and specific timelines you want to get these things in by.
00:09:16.000 Like, how does an eight-week camp get structured?
00:09:18.000 Does you write it out?
00:09:19.000 Do you have it on a board somewhere?
00:09:22.000 Like, how does that work?
00:09:22.000 We kind of take...
00:09:23.000 Well, the strength and conditioning part is written out, I think, a little bit early, but the...
00:09:27.000 The technique stuff is week by week.
00:09:29.000 We plan one full week, get through that week, plan the next week.
00:09:33.000 And if things are working and moving right, we'll keep it the same for two weeks maybe and then switch it up again.
00:09:38.000 Mike Brown's pretty good at that.
00:09:39.000 He's always coming over to my house watching footage and help me plan everything.
00:09:43.000 And he kind of coordinates with the other coaches, like my boxing coach, kickboxing coach.
00:09:47.000 He kind of sets up everything and runs the whole thing.
00:09:52.000 Did you see DC's breakdown in detail of the second fight versus the first fight with Conor?
00:09:57.000 Very interesting.
00:09:58.000 It is, but I see a lot of people talking funny stuff about the leg kick didn't knock him out.
00:10:03.000 What happened?
00:10:04.000 So DC says in the detail breakdown, I kick Conor's calf, and Conor steps back and his leg kind of goes, and DC says, well, that's the leg kick that hurt his leg or whatever, but...
00:10:15.000 After that leg kick, he kind of reached down to grab the foot and threw an uppercut.
00:10:18.000 And I was switch stance, so I threw a cross from my backhand that clipped him good. 0.99
00:10:22.000 And that's when he took the step back and was hurt.
00:10:25.000 I think that's a detail people are missing.
00:10:27.000 That right hand. 0.91
00:10:28.000 You landed a lot of solid shots in that fight, but there's no doubt that leg kick was fucking that right leg up. 0.94
00:10:36.000 For sure. 0.55
00:10:36.000 But the detail, what I was going to get over is the difference between the first fight and the second fight was you were landing hard leg kicks in the first fight, but you were landing them on the thigh. 0.55
00:10:45.000 And then it switched over to the calf.
00:10:46.000 What a crazy difference that calf kick has made in MMA over the last few years.
00:10:52.000 It's really nuts.
00:10:53.000 It is, man.
00:10:54.000 And it doesn't take many.
00:10:55.000 And it doesn't take as much commitment.
00:10:57.000 You know, a thigh kick, you're turning your hips over, Muay Thai style. 0.87
00:11:00.000 You're really set in your position, whipping.
00:11:02.000 This calf kick, you can flick.
00:11:04.000 You can flick it like a jab and just...
00:11:06.000 Catch the top of the calf.
00:11:08.000 It's so wild that this one kick was almost ignored.
00:11:11.000 I always give Benson Henderson credit because I think he was the first guy to start using it in the UFC. But for whatever reason, he didn't have the same impact with it.
00:11:19.000 I don't know.
00:11:20.000 I'd have to go over some fights.
00:11:22.000 Huge legs. 1.00
00:11:22.000 I'm sure he kicks hard as fuck. 1.00
00:11:23.000 I'm sure he kicks hard as fuck. 1.00
00:11:25.000 But for whatever reason, he wasn't stopping guys with calf kicks. 0.99
00:11:29.000 But then along the way, somewhere in the last, what was it, five, six years or something like that?
00:11:34.000 Maybe not even that far back.
00:11:36.000 Which is crazy!
00:11:38.000 I can't think of a single technique that revolutionized the sport that way.
00:11:44.000 And like I said about the calf, you can't take many because there's nowhere for the swelling to go.
00:11:48.000 So that's why it's so painful and debilitating.
00:11:50.000 Your nerves and your foot kind of stop working with you.
00:11:53.000 It's bad stuff.
00:11:54.000 Yeah, there's no meat there either.
00:11:55.000 I was explaining to someone, I'm like, just karate chop your arm right here where the bone is.
00:12:00.000 It hurts just to do that.
00:12:01.000 Now imagine someone kicking that. 0.58
00:12:03.000 And that's what it's like when you get kicked in the calf.
00:12:05.000 There's nothing there. 0.67
00:12:06.000 There's no meat.
00:12:07.000 And even when you turn your shin outward to check it, you still get it.
00:12:10.000 It's still bad, man.
00:12:12.000 Yeah, well, I noticed that in the Conor fight.
00:12:14.000 You could see somewhere in the first round when he started realizing, like, oh, this is a real problem.
00:12:20.000 And Conor doesn't have the ability to switch stances.
00:12:22.000 Or if he does, he doesn't do it.
00:12:24.000 Yeah, definitely didn't do it in that fight.
00:12:25.000 And it was only going to get worse.
00:12:26.000 That was second round.
00:12:27.000 We had three more rounds, 15 more minutes of me chopping that leg. 0.92
00:12:30.000 If we do it again, it'll be interesting to see what he does different in preparation or by defending that.
00:12:36.000 But you were such a different guy in the second fight.
00:12:39.000 First of all, you weren't debilitating yourself getting down to 145 pounds.
00:12:43.000 You were a big 145. How rough was that cut?
00:12:48.000 It was horrible. 0.98
00:12:49.000 And it made me hate the process because my quality of life sucked.
00:12:53.000 You know, training camps were torture, you know.
00:12:57.000 I'd walk around 190. Jesus Christ! 0.93
00:13:02.000 I'd get up to 190. That's so crazy!
00:13:04.000 Yeah.
00:13:05.000 Oh my God, you get up to 190 and go down to 145. 45 fucking pounds? 1.00
00:13:11.000 Dude, let me tell you this. 0.99
00:13:12.000 When I fought Cup Swanson in London, England, I took it on short notice.
00:13:15.000 And I had just won a fight before, and it was right around Christmas, so I was eating.
00:13:18.000 And when they called me, they asked me my weight, and I told them, ah, 170, but I was like 187 or something.
00:13:25.000 And it was like really short notice.
00:13:26.000 So me and my team fly out there, and I'm 30 pounds over when we land.
00:13:30.000 You know, fight week, they check...
00:13:30.000 Both!
00:13:31.000 Jesus Christ!
00:13:33.000 Oh my God!
00:13:35.000 That's so crazy!
00:13:36.000 They check your weight fight week when you show up to make sure.
00:13:38.000 I was 176, and it was a 45. Oh my god.
00:13:44.000 Yeah.
00:13:44.000 But you made it.
00:13:45.000 Made it. 1.00
00:13:45.000 How the fuck did you make that? 1.00
00:13:47.000 I don't know. 1.00
00:13:48.000 I almost died.
00:13:49.000 I feel like weigh-ins were kind of blurry.
00:13:50.000 My memory's gone from weigh-ins.
00:13:52.000 It's not good for you.
00:13:55.000 Do you have any kidney problems or anything from that?
00:13:56.000 I've never had. 0.98
00:13:58.000 That fucked DC up.
00:14:00.000 I mean, that kept DC out of the Olympics.
00:14:01.000 Yeah.
00:14:02.000 The weight cut.
00:14:03.000 So many guys get kidney problems because of it.
00:14:05.000 Yeah.
00:14:06.000 Yeah, you're lucky.
00:14:07.000 Not yet.
00:14:09.000 Jesus Christ.
00:14:10.000 Knock on wood for that.
00:14:11.000 I didn't cut 30 normally.
00:14:13.000 I would show up like 18 fight week or 16 fight week.
00:14:18.000 But I was sucked down to get that close. 0.91
00:14:20.000 And once you suck down those last pounds, even if it's three pounds, it's horrible. 0.98
00:14:25.000 I just had to stop it.
00:14:26.000 How do you do that?
00:14:27.000 Are you one of those guys that drinks a lot of distilled water and flushes your body out?
00:14:32.000 How do you do it?
00:14:33.000 I used to do that, but we kind of stopped doing distilled water.
00:14:35.000 I do drink a lot of water.
00:14:37.000 We water load.
00:14:37.000 We do like three gallons for a couple days, two gallons, half a gallon.
00:14:41.000 So you're just peeing constantly.
00:14:42.000 Yeah, and you kind of flush out all your minerals.
00:14:44.000 You know the process.
00:14:46.000 Sodium and everything.
00:14:46.000 Everything that holds water and keeps you hydrated kind of gets flushed out in that process because you're not putting anything back, no potassium, no anything.
00:14:52.000 So your body naturally dehydrates itself over the fight week.
00:14:57.000 That's basically how we do it.
00:14:59.000 I diet down for eight weeks, get as close as I can, and then the water cut is usually like 12, 10 pounds at 55. So it's a complex process, right?
00:15:08.000 Yeah.
00:15:09.000 Who's the guy who figured that out?
00:15:11.000 Was it a wrestler that came to MMA camps and figured it out?
00:15:14.000 Who figured out how to do that?
00:15:17.000 I have no clue.
00:15:18.000 I wish they wouldn't have, because I'd rather just fight at my walking around weight.
00:15:23.000 But if I fight at 170, these guys are 200 plus pounds.
00:15:26.000 Right, that is the problem.
00:15:27.000 What do you weigh around right now?
00:15:29.000 Probably 180, 176-ish.
00:15:32.000 You look so much bigger than you looked when you were at 145. One of the things that we were talking about was when you were fighting Conor, your fucking back looks huge. 0.99
00:15:41.000 You're so much wider. 0.99
00:15:43.000 You're just so much thicker.
00:15:46.000 Yeah.
00:15:47.000 I'm built like that, though.
00:15:48.000 I'm kind of built like SpongeBob a little bit.
00:15:50.000 Well, that's where the punching power comes from, right?
00:15:52.000 That width.
00:15:53.000 Right.
00:15:53.000 And, you know, the reach, the length when I'm twisting my body, I feel like, you know, guys feel like they're out of range, but I can still touch them.
00:16:01.000 Right, yeah.
00:16:03.000 Well, guys with long arms.
00:16:04.000 Like, we were commentating a fight recently.
00:16:07.000 It was Andre Yule.
00:16:08.000 Andre Yule has these crazy long arms.
00:16:10.000 He had like a 7-inch reach advantage over his opponent.
00:16:13.000 They were the same height.
00:16:14.000 And you look at him like, wow, that is nuts!
00:16:16.000 Like...
00:16:17.000 He's pretty tall for that weight class, too.
00:16:19.000 There's so many guys that have these long...
00:16:22.000 like Jon Jones, famously.
00:16:23.000 It's so hard to even just get close to him because he's so good at utilizing that reach.
00:16:28.000 Reach is just such a huge advantage.
00:16:30.000 It's a giant advantage.
00:16:31.000 Especially with a good jab.
00:16:33.000 Guys who use it, right?
00:16:35.000 Because you talk about reach and Dan Hooker's last fight with Chandler.
00:16:40.000 You've got to use it.
00:16:41.000 You've got to get along.
00:16:42.000 Even when I fought Dan, he fought me in the pocket a lot.
00:16:44.000 Yeah, I feel like Dan was trying to pace himself or something, like he was setting himself up for a long fight, and Chandler just charged forward.
00:16:54.000 And that's MMA, one shot, man.
00:16:57.000 Well, especially with a guy like Chandler, who's such a tank, and he's so explosive, and he can move forward so quickly.
00:17:04.000 That division is on fire right now.
00:17:07.000 Yeah, man. 0.88
00:17:08.000 A lot of killers.
00:17:09.000 And it's kind of been murky.
00:17:11.000 Waters in the 55-pound division for a while.
00:17:13.000 It's been very top-heavy.
00:17:16.000 And it's taken forever for this thing to play out.
00:17:18.000 Yeah, but it's played out right now at the peak.
00:17:20.000 You know, Oliveira's still waiting.
00:17:22.000 The thing that's holding everything up is we don't know what Khabib's going to do.
00:17:26.000 And Dana White seems to be trying to convince Khabib to keep fighting.
00:17:30.000 Yeah, that's...
00:17:31.000 That's Dana White.
00:17:33.000 Yeah.
00:17:35.000 I talked to DC, he thinks Khabib's done, but, you know, I don't know what's said behind doors and...
00:17:40.000 Well, all it would take is Khabib's mom to change her mind.
00:17:44.000 That's what he said after the Gaethje fight, right?
00:17:46.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:17:46.000 If Khabib's mom was like, eh, a couple more fights, fuck it. 1.00
00:17:50.000 Right. 1.00
00:17:50.000 He'll be back in there quick. 1.00
00:17:52.000 Yeah, it's interesting to see what's going to happen because Charles Oliveira is definitely up there for a title shot.
00:17:57.000 He's been around a long time and put some wins together.
00:18:00.000 I was super impressed with him in the Tony Ferguson fight.
00:18:03.000 Yeah.
00:18:03.000 I mean, I was impressed with him in the Kevin Leaf fight.
00:18:05.000 I had been impressed with him for years.
00:18:06.000 But that was a Virtuoso performance against Tony.
00:18:10.000 I mean, that was really, really impressive stuff.
00:18:12.000 I'm interested to see how Tony bounces back from that one.
00:18:15.000 Yeah.
00:18:16.000 Or who he gets matched up with next.
00:18:18.000 Yeah, I don't know what they're going to do.
00:18:19.000 I mean, I don't know what they're going to do in terms of the title.
00:18:22.000 They can't just let it sit.
00:18:24.000 I mean, what are they going to do?
00:18:26.000 Yeah.
00:18:28.000 I have no clue.
00:18:28.000 I haven't heard anything.
00:18:30.000 Yeah, it's an interesting situation. 0.99
00:18:32.000 What was it like fighting Conor when he wasn't an asshole? 0.99
00:18:37.000 Was that weird? 0.99
00:18:38.000 Dude, you know fighting is hectic already.
00:18:41.000 You're about to go in there for 25 minutes and you've been training.
00:18:44.000 You know what's on the line, so it's just a lot of pressure.
00:18:46.000 So just it being a little bit more calm for me...
00:18:50.000 It was smooth sailing, man.
00:18:53.000 Because it's already hectic enough.
00:18:54.000 I'll say the same thing about the fans.
00:18:56.000 Like when I fought at the Apex, it was nice.
00:18:58.000 Because, like I said, fighting is crazy.
00:19:00.000 So without having guys spilling beer, yelling you're going to die, on the way to the walk, it's relaxing to me.
00:19:07.000 So it just makes it smooth sailing.
00:19:10.000 So it's not good for him. 1.00
00:19:12.000 It's really better for him to be an asshole. 1.00
00:19:14.000 Yeah, be an asshole. 1.00
00:19:15.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:19:18.000 But it seemed so odd.
00:19:20.000 It's just like he just decided that he respected you.
00:19:23.000 But he did the same thing with the cowboy.
00:19:24.000 I thought maybe this is him just maturing and he's got a few kids now.
00:19:29.000 Or he does have one on the way.
00:19:31.000 Maybe he's just maturing and he's a different...
00:19:33.000 We all change.
00:19:34.000 Maybe he's a different person.
00:19:35.000 Yeah, could be. 0.99
00:19:37.000 I think also the amount of shit that he caused in the Khabib fight... 1.00
00:19:43.000 I mean, realizing at the end of it what had happened. 1.00
00:19:47.000 Dudes jumped into the cage and beat his ass. 1.00
00:19:50.000 Guys were jumping. 1.00
00:19:51.000 Khabib jumped out of the cage. 0.78
00:19:52.000 Got in a fight with Dylan Dennis.
00:19:54.000 It's chaos.
00:19:55.000 I mean, it was so nuts.
00:19:57.000 Yeah.
00:19:58.000 And then, you know, what had happened before that with him throwing the cart at the bus and, you know, fights got canceled because broken glass.
00:20:05.000 Kiesa got cut.
00:20:06.000 I think a couple other guys got cut with the glass that was flying. 0.99
00:20:11.000 It's like he had done so much and fucked up so much. 0.95
00:20:14.000 Throwing energy cans at press conferences, remember? 0.98
00:20:16.000 Oh, that's right.
00:20:17.000 That's right, yeah.
00:20:18.000 But that was kind of like minor.
00:20:21.000 In comparison.
00:20:22.000 Cutting people with broken glass in a bus, yeah.
00:20:24.000 But the chaos that he caused us so much.
00:20:28.000 But that had also been a part of what sold fights.
00:20:31.000 Like the Jose Aldo fight.
00:20:33.000 He tortured Jose Aldo for months.
00:20:36.000 Remember they did that crazy press conference where he toured all over the world?
00:20:39.000 Mm-hmm.
00:20:39.000 And he ripped the picture in half.
00:20:41.000 Stole his belt.
00:20:42.000 It's my belt.
00:20:43.000 By the time they got into the cage, Jose also was afraid.
00:20:47.000 I would have known afraid just overthought in his own head.
00:20:51.000 In his own head.
00:20:52.000 Compared to what I'd seen from Aldo in the past, he seemed much more nervous.
00:20:58.000 Much more aware of the magnitude of the moment.
00:21:02.000 And Conor seemed so relaxed.
00:21:04.000 And I felt that same thing, though, the first time I fought Connor.
00:21:06.000 I felt like that.
00:21:07.000 When the bell rang, I was like a deer in the headlights.
00:21:09.000 It's happening.
00:21:10.000 Here we go.
00:21:11.000 All that talk and everything over the months just sat in my head.
00:21:15.000 And I just read into it too much.
00:21:17.000 Thought too much.
00:21:17.000 And I think that's probably what happened with Aldo.
00:21:20.000 That is what shit-talking can do to a person, right? 0.99
00:21:22.000 It's the art of war, man. 1.00
00:21:23.000 I mean, fighting is mental.
00:21:28.000 As much mental as it is physical, I believe.
00:21:30.000 Well, there's so much mental involved.
00:21:32.000 I mean, it's for sure physical, but it's also, look, it's mental just to get yourself through training camp, right?
00:21:38.000 Yeah.
00:21:39.000 To cut weight, to show up, to do interview after interview, press conference after press conference, you know?
00:21:44.000 How hard is that to do while you're getting ready for a fight? 0.85
00:21:47.000 While you're cutting weight, and then you're doing these interviews, and they're boring-ass questions? 0.91
00:21:52.000 Yeah. 0.93
00:21:52.000 Same question over and over. 0.93
00:21:54.000 What's different between this Dustin and Dustin six years ago when Connor beat you?
00:21:58.000 I heard that question a thousand times.
00:22:01.000 It just gets redundant and it's aggravating.
00:22:04.000 Before you even sit down and do the interview, you know the questions.
00:22:09.000 Going through the motions, I just...
00:22:12.000 Some are fun, though.
00:22:13.000 Some interviewers are good and change it up and then it's a fun conversation, but most of them it's the same thing.
00:22:17.000 How was camp?
00:22:18.000 How are you feeling?
00:22:20.000 What's different between this, Dustin?
00:22:22.000 I don't know how much of that stuff sells a fight either.
00:22:24.000 I really don't.
00:22:26.000 I feel like you should cut it off about two weeks out.
00:22:28.000 I feel like you can get the interviews in before and then the last two weeks. 0.99
00:22:33.000 Just leave the fucking fighters alone. 1.00
00:22:34.000 Leave them alone. 1.00
00:22:36.000 Just let them train.
00:22:37.000 Only do the big ones, like an ESPN SportsCenter interview or something.
00:22:40.000 Just the big ones.
00:22:41.000 Just a quick one.
00:22:42.000 Cut out all the media, MMA media. 1.00
00:22:44.000 How many hours of that shit do you have to do in a week? 0.98
00:22:48.000 For this Conor, this last Conor one, I was stuck in the hotel on Fight Island, so it was all mostly from my computer. 0.99
00:22:53.000 I would say over that whole fight week, three hours maybe, total.
00:22:59.000 Oh, that's not too bad.
00:23:00.000 No.
00:23:00.000 That's not too bad.
00:23:01.000 Yeah.
00:23:02.000 What did you think of Conor pulling up to the Fight Island in that yacht?
00:23:06.000 That's baller, man.
00:23:08.000 I was mad. 1.00
00:23:09.000 I'm like, damn, I want a fucking yacht. 1.00
00:23:12.000 You do, but you don't. 1.00
00:23:13.000 You know, that shit seems like you have to have so much more money than the yacht cost to enjoy the yacht. 0.99
00:23:21.000 You know what I mean? 1.00
00:23:22.000 It'd look like a big one.
00:23:23.000 It'd look like a big one.
00:23:24.000 But if you have a yacht, this is my thought.
00:23:26.000 If you have a yacht and the yacht is worth whatever a yacht's worth, what does a yacht cost?
00:23:31.000 10 million bucks?
00:23:32.000 Okay, let's say 10 million bucks.
00:23:33.000 That one, probably more.
00:23:34.000 Probably more.
00:23:35.000 Let's say 20 million bucks.
00:23:36.000 Let's say you got a 20 million dollar yacht.
00:23:38.000 For you to not be sweating that yacht, you better have 100 million.
00:23:41.000 Right.
00:23:42.000 You know?
00:23:43.000 How much does it cost to gas up?
00:23:45.000 How much does the pilot cost?
00:23:47.000 How much does the captain?
00:23:49.000 What am I doing for repairs? 1.00
00:23:51.000 Shit! 1.00
00:23:52.000 Those big yachts have to have a crew, I think, year-round. 1.00
00:23:55.000 Yeah, all year-round.
00:23:56.000 All year-round.
00:23:57.000 So you're paying a staff salary.
00:23:59.000 They live on it.
00:23:59.000 It's their house.
00:24:00.000 You just go and sit in it every now and then.
00:24:03.000 And I heard there's a big docking fee as well.
00:24:05.000 So wherever the boat stays, you're paying a big docking fee.
00:24:07.000 So you're thinking about all that while you're about to fight.
00:24:10.000 That seems like more money, more problems.
00:24:14.000 He's got that whiskey money, man.
00:24:15.000 He's all right.
00:24:15.000 He does have that whiskey money.
00:24:16.000 That is a different thing.
00:24:17.000 I got that whiskey money.
00:24:18.000 Yeah, whiskey money is a different thing.
00:24:20.000 I'm building it up, man.
00:24:20.000 I got the hot sauce money coming in.
00:24:23.000 I'll pull up on like a bass boat next time.
00:24:28.000 Yeah, it's just the idea of pulling up at a yacht is the opposite of what everybody tells you about fighting.
00:24:36.000 Fighting, you have to stay hungry.
00:24:37.000 Like, stay humble.
00:24:39.000 You know, like Rocky III style. 1.00
00:24:41.000 You don't pull up in a fucking yacht. 0.98
00:24:44.000 But if you do, the only person who's been able to do like that is Floyd Mayweather. 0.99
00:24:50.000 He's the only guy who's been able to just be...
00:24:53.000 Balling out of control.
00:24:54.000 Constantly flashing money.
00:24:56.000 Million dollar watches.
00:24:58.000 You know, a fleet of super expensive cars.
00:25:02.000 And still fucks everybody up. 0.93
00:25:03.000 He does. 0.99
00:25:04.000 He's the only guy.
00:25:05.000 Yeah.
00:25:05.000 Literally the only guy.
00:25:06.000 I'm trying to think of other guys besides like him and Connor who's really...
00:25:09.000 Adrian Broner, but he's...
00:25:11.000 He just won, I think.
00:25:13.000 He won.
00:25:13.000 Disputed decision.
00:25:14.000 But he seems to be more concerned with having fun and being crazy.
00:25:21.000 The thing about Floyd is he never lost his discipline.
00:25:23.000 Floyd's discipline was undeniable.
00:25:26.000 But through that ball of nights, I don't think he was doing drugs or drinking.
00:25:31.000 He kept his...
00:25:33.000 Floyd would famously run home from the nightclub.
00:25:36.000 So he would go out in Vegas.
00:25:37.000 He'd be partying.
00:25:39.000 It looked like he was partying.
00:25:40.000 He was drinking water. 0.99
00:25:40.000 And then he would have his driver drive, and with his fucking pants on, with jeans on, he would jog home. 0.99
00:25:49.000 The dude was always training. 0.99
00:25:50.000 Always training.
00:25:51.000 Never got out of shape.
00:25:52.000 Dude, the jog home in jeans isn't the torture.
00:25:54.000 The torture is sitting around a bunch of drunk people drinking water in a club.
00:25:58.000 I jog home all night.
00:26:00.000 Rather than that, right?
00:26:02.000 Yeah.
00:26:03.000 It's an interesting thing, though, the keeping your motivation as you reach a certain level of fame and success.
00:26:10.000 Because that's a lot of the motivation for fighters, is to one day be that champion.
00:26:16.000 One day have that money where your family's going to be taken care of for life.
00:26:19.000 You don't have to worry anymore.
00:26:21.000 Do you hit that spot?
00:26:22.000 And then what keeps you going?
00:26:24.000 Yeah, how do you remain a student in that spot?
00:26:26.000 There's the famous quote that it's hard to wake up and run the miles when you're sleeping in silk pajamas.
00:26:31.000 I forget what boxer said that, but it's got to be true. 1.00
00:26:35.000 Unless you just keep setting goals, maybe he's trying to...
00:26:38.000 To do something that's never been done, maybe that's the driving factor now.
00:26:42.000 Because a lot of guys' money might be the driving factor.
00:26:45.000 But once you get the money, maybe you set it up to try to leave legendary things behind.
00:26:50.000 Well, the thing about Floyd is he spends so much money.
00:26:53.000 Maybe money's still the motivation because he's just always about to go broke. 1.00
00:26:57.000 Because he just spends like a fucking maniac. 0.97
00:27:00.000 I would like to think, even though he's spinning like that, he's made some great investments in... 0.99
00:27:04.000 Yeah, I'd like to think that too, but I bet it's not the case.
00:27:09.000 Yeah.
00:27:10.000 Yeah.
00:27:11.000 Definitely spent a lot of money.
00:27:13.000 But he's made so much, man.
00:27:14.000 Over a billion, right?
00:27:15.000 Isn't that crazy?
00:27:16.000 Over a billion.
00:27:17.000 Over a billion dollars in fighting.
00:27:19.000 A billion.
00:27:20.000 With a B. And now he's about to fight Logan Paul in a boxing match in Japan.
00:27:25.000 But apparently they postponed that, right?
00:27:27.000 I thought it was a different fight in Japan.
00:27:29.000 No, I think it's Logan Paul, right?
00:27:31.000 It is, yeah.
00:27:32.000 No, it's Logan Paul.
00:27:33.000 They postponed it, though, because they didn't have enough pay-per-view interest, right?
00:27:37.000 Is that the...
00:27:39.000 Jamie, you know the...
00:27:40.000 Not according to them, but...
00:27:41.000 Not according to them.
00:27:42.000 Probably the cover, I mean, Mayweather's side.
00:27:45.000 Yeah, a new date's coming soon.
00:27:47.000 Yeah.
00:27:47.000 Whatever that means.
00:27:48.000 I mean, he's fighting 200-pounders. 0.98
00:27:51.000 I mean, obviously Logan Paul's not a real professional boxer in terms of like, certainly not in the caliber of Floyd Mayweather, but he's a big fucking dude. 0.93
00:28:03.000 Yeah, huge, because Floyd's not a big guy. 0.94
00:28:04.000 No.
00:28:05.000 You know, I've never seen the other guy in person.
00:28:08.000 I don't know how big he is.
00:28:08.000 I met him.
00:28:09.000 He's a big fucker. 1.00
00:28:10.000 Yeah? 1.00
00:28:10.000 Yeah, he's big. 1.00
00:28:13.000 Skills pay the bills, man.
00:28:15.000 I guess so. 1.00
00:28:16.000 He doesn't give a shit, man. 1.00
00:28:17.000 Well, he also fought Tenshin Nazukawa, the little tiny dude in Japan, which was ridiculous. 1.00
00:28:22.000 And that guy fights at like 126. Yeah.
00:28:26.000 I was surprised how that went.
00:28:27.000 I thought Floyd was going to beat him, but I thought it would be a little bit more happening than that.
00:28:31.000 That was...
00:28:32.000 Floyd didn't even look like he trained a day for that fight.
00:28:35.000 He looked like he was a little bit out of shape, like he had a little ring around the midsection, and smiling like he knew what he was going to do.
00:28:43.000 Like, how are you going to beat me?
00:28:44.000 He's so little.
00:28:46.000 He's been fighting these big power punchers, and he's fighting this little guy who's known for his kicks.
00:28:51.000 Tension is a badass kickboxer.
00:28:53.000 Have you ever seen him kickbox?
00:28:55.000 No.
00:28:56.000 Oh my god, man. 1.00
00:28:56.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00
00:28:58.000 As a striker, he's really exceptional. 1.00
00:29:01.000 He does some wild shit. 0.99
00:29:02.000 It's really kind of unfortunate that he took that fight because... 0.99
00:29:06.000 If you just look at his career as a kickboxer, he's really exceptional.
00:29:10.000 He's really special. 1.00
00:29:11.000 He does some wild shit. 0.99
00:29:13.000 Like, he knocked this tie out with one of the weirdest back kicks I think I've ever seen. 0.99
00:29:18.000 He set this dude up with this...
00:29:20.000 He set him up...
00:29:22.000 I forget what the setup was, but he hit him with this wild spinning back kick to the face and KO'd him. 0.99
00:29:29.000 And he does shit like that. 0.99
00:29:31.000 Like, he's... 1.00
00:29:32.000 He's very intuitive and he's very creative inside the ring.
00:29:36.000 But as a striker, just with his whole arsenal, kicks and punches, someone his size in a kickboxing match, he's a genius.
00:29:43.000 I mean, it really is.
00:29:44.000 It's really special.
00:29:45.000 It sucks that people only know him for getting lit up by Floyd Mayweather.
00:29:50.000 Yeah, I need to go back and watch some of his fights.
00:29:52.000 Watch some of his kickboxing fights.
00:29:54.000 See if you can find that one.
00:29:55.000 You found it?
00:29:58.000 Did he beat a...
00:29:59.000 Watch this.
00:30:02.000 It's a wild dude, man.
00:30:07.000 He did the Sanchai.
00:30:09.000 That was one KO. That was not the...
00:30:12.000 No, he's got a...
00:30:13.000 Oh, he's got a shitload of them, man. 0.81
00:30:17.000 He's got a shitload of them. 1.00
00:30:18.000 He's a bad motherfucker, dude. 1.00
00:30:20.000 And again, it's stuff like this. 1.00
00:30:22.000 He's really creative.
00:30:23.000 Yeah.
00:30:26.000 You gotta see him fight.
00:30:27.000 But he's tiny, man.
00:30:28.000 He fights at 125, 126. I mean, he just doesn't have the power.
00:30:34.000 And he's a kicker, really, more than anything.
00:30:37.000 Right.
00:30:37.000 The kicks will set up his hands, probably.
00:30:39.000 Yeah.
00:30:41.000 He's KOing these little tiny dudes with punches, but I mean, he's very small.
00:30:45.000 Did he beat Horiguchi in MMA? I don't know.
00:30:50.000 I don't know how many MMA fights he's had.
00:30:52.000 I think he's only had a handful of MMA fights.
00:30:54.000 I think most of his fights have been striking.
00:30:56.000 I think he beat Kyoji.
00:30:58.000 Yeah?
00:30:59.000 I think so.
00:31:00.000 And Horiguchi's also 125, right?
00:31:02.000 He fights flyweight.
00:31:03.000 Yeah, he's fighting 35, I think, and bouncing around.
00:31:06.000 In Bellator, he won the 35 belt.
00:31:08.000 But he was 25. What do you think of 1FC's decision to try to eliminate weight cutting?
00:31:15.000 I love it, because I hate cutting weight.
00:31:17.000 I just don't...
00:31:20.000 I don't know the protocol they have.
00:31:22.000 I don't know how it can be really monitored and safely done.
00:31:24.000 I don't know what they're doing, but I would love if we didn't cut weight.
00:31:27.000 Do you think there's a way to do that?
00:31:31.000 It would have to be long.
00:31:33.000 It would have to be like a long...
00:31:34.000 During camp, somebody comes down, checks your weight every couple weeks, every two weeks.
00:31:40.000 How else are you going to...
00:31:41.000 And then maybe a hydration test.
00:31:42.000 I know they do that in high school wrestling, right?
00:31:44.000 Yeah, that's what it would have to be.
00:31:45.000 It would have to be a hydration test.
00:31:47.000 Yeah.
00:31:48.000 But I would love if we didn't have to do that.
00:31:50.000 Yeah, it is a crazy thing, because it's almost like a sanctioned cheating.
00:31:54.000 Like, everybody does it.
00:31:55.000 I wouldn't do it if the other guys wouldn't, but I'm not going to be the...
00:31:58.000 Of course, you have to.
00:31:59.000 ...outweighed by 30 pounds.
00:32:00.000 Yeah, I mean, when you think about what you did by losing in the Cub Swanson fight, losing that much weight, I mean, how bananas is that?
00:32:08.000 Yeah.
00:32:09.000 You're so much larger than actually 145 pounds.
00:32:13.000 And if you think about guys like Usman.
00:32:16.000 Like, say if you went up to 170. He's so big.
00:32:18.000 He's so big! 0.73
00:32:19.000 He's so jacked, too.
00:32:21.000 I mean, he's got to be walking.
00:32:22.000 Or, like, one of the best examples that didn't work out well was Rodolfo Vieira in his last fight.
00:32:28.000 Did you see that fight?
00:32:29.000 Yeah.
00:32:29.000 He looked like he was about 210, 215 pounds.
00:32:32.000 And he's fighting 185. He was so big.
00:32:35.000 Chiseled. 1.00
00:32:36.000 Like a fucking specimen. 1.00
00:32:38.000 It wasn't durable. 1.00
00:32:40.000 You can tell he was gassing.
00:32:41.000 Quick.
00:32:42.000 It's not good for the fans.
00:32:43.000 We're taken away from the performances of our fights by doing that.
00:32:47.000 For sure.
00:32:48.000 There's a lot of fighters who, having gone up in weight, have reached their best.
00:32:53.000 Look at that. 1.00
00:32:55.000 Fucking dude. 1.00
00:32:55.000 A Greek god. 1.00
00:32:57.000 He's ridiculous. 1.00
00:32:57.000 And his jiu-jitsu is off the charts. 1.00
00:33:00.000 What's crazy is when you watch that fight with, was it Anthony Hernandez who stopped him?
00:33:05.000 Submitted him, right?
00:33:05.000 Yeah.
00:33:06.000 Beat the shit out of him and then submitted him. 0.97
00:33:08.000 For him, that's just gigantic. 0.99
00:33:10.000 But Vieira was dead by the end of the first round.
00:33:13.000 It didn't even make sense.
00:33:14.000 And he was trying to figure it out.
00:33:16.000 I was like, I don't know what happened.
00:33:17.000 I'd like to know what he walks around in.
00:33:19.000 He looks so big.
00:33:20.000 He used to be an American Top Team, actually.
00:33:22.000 Yeah, he's a big guy.
00:33:23.000 I gotta think he's well over 210. Yeah.
00:33:27.000 That's what he looks like, at least. 1.00
00:33:29.000 But that shit's gotta be terrible for you. 1.00
00:33:31.000 How the fuck does Paul Costa do it? 1.00
00:33:33.000 I've never seen him in person, but he looks huge as well. 0.99
00:33:35.000 Gigantic!
00:33:36.000 He's gigantic.
00:33:37.000 You see him in between fights.
00:33:38.000 I mean, he literally looks like a heavyweight.
00:33:43.000 It's like there's two schools of thought, right?
00:33:45.000 There's like the school...
00:33:46.000 Like, Kane Velasquez as a heavyweight when he was in his prime, to me, was the most impressive heavyweight I've ever seen.
00:33:52.000 And he was, you know, 235, 240. Yeah.
00:33:57.000 I feel like the length might play a little bit of a part in cutting down, you know, like...
00:34:05.000 For somebody 135, who weighs...
00:34:08.000 What's a 135 or walk-around at, you think?
00:34:10.000 Like, 55, something like that, usually.
00:34:12.000 That jump between...
00:34:13.000 If they did fight at 45 or 55, that jump in length of those weight classes, you know, the reach, the leg reach is so huge.
00:34:22.000 Yeah.
00:34:22.000 And I think they...
00:34:23.000 You know, so if you're a shorter guy, you might cut more weight to kind of not be around those big, long guys.
00:34:28.000 That's what I think a lot of it is.
00:34:30.000 And then it's just...
00:34:31.000 It's a trend now that we have to cut weight to...
00:34:34.000 To be competitive, so you're not standing across a guy weighing 30, 40 pounds more than you.
00:34:38.000 Do you think there should be more weight classes?
00:34:40.000 I do, yeah.
00:34:41.000 What do you think, like every 10 pounds?
00:34:44.000 Every 10 pounds, but I'd like to see something, if they wouldn't do it every 10 pounds, I'd like to see something between 55 and 70. Yeah.
00:34:55.000 Yeah, like a 62 or something.
00:34:57.000 Why not 55, 65, 75?
00:35:00.000 I mean, it's just not that big a deal.
00:35:01.000 The 70s would be...
00:35:03.000 Like, if you told Usman, hey, guess what?
00:35:04.000 Now your weight class is 175. Shit, he might look even better. 1.00
00:35:09.000 Would you just promote the guys at that weight to the champion at that weight? 0.99
00:35:12.000 Or would they just carry the belts over?
00:35:13.000 I think you just carry the belts over.
00:35:15.000 I mean, there's room for the 65, right? 0.82
00:35:18.000 You'd have to have a 65-pound title.
00:35:19.000 But the 75-pound title, why would you...
00:35:22.000 I mean, you already have one of the best 70s ever as your champion.
00:35:25.000 Just change the weight class.
00:35:27.000 That's what they did in the early days of the UFC where they had a 200-pound division. 0.99
00:35:30.000 They changed it to 205. But don't you think that would make weight cutting more people would be willing to cut?
00:35:37.000 Because somebody who can't make 55, Maybe. 1.00
00:35:40.000 Yeah, maybe, but at least you give more options.
00:35:43.000 I just think there's some gaps that are too big.
00:35:45.000 Like 85 to 205 is crazy.
00:35:49.000 20 pounds is an enormous weight class.
00:35:51.000 I mean, so the weight gap between the middleweights and the light heavyweights is so big. 0.99
00:35:58.000 That's 20 pounds is a lot of fucking weight, man. 0.95
00:36:01.000 That's multiple weight classes in boxing. 0.99
00:36:05.000 Dude, Luke Rockhold is so big.
00:36:06.000 When I'd see him at 185, I couldn't believe it, man.
00:36:10.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a guy.
00:36:12.000 I'd like to talk to him about his weight cuts, but he must have been torturing himself.
00:36:15.000 But nobody looked bigger than Yoel.
00:36:17.000 Yoel Romero did my show.
00:36:18.000 He was about 230 pounds.
00:36:21.000 He's going up to 205. He was so big, though.
00:36:24.000 He was sitting there, and Joey Diaz was translating for him.
00:36:27.000 It was one of the most fun times I've ever had. 0.96
00:36:28.000 But you see Yoel sitting there, and you're like, how the fuck are you ever making that weight? 0.98
00:36:34.000 He was so big. 0.97
00:36:35.000 Yeah, two-something shredded, no fat...
00:36:38.000 Yeah, a specimen.
00:36:40.000 I've seen him at American Top Team a few times, man.
00:36:43.000 I think he trains in Miami, but he came up to Coconut Creek a few times, and he's just doing flips and all kinds of crazy stuff.
00:36:51.000 Just an incredible athlete.
00:36:53.000 One of the best I've ever seen.
00:36:55.000 No, he's a freak and not losing a step.
00:36:58.000 And he's 44. Like, everybody's waiting for him to slow down.
00:37:01.000 Like, he hasn't slowed down.
00:37:03.000 I don't see any...
00:37:04.000 I mean, he's lost some fights.
00:37:06.000 But those...
00:37:07.000 Look at...
00:37:07.000 Let's look at the fights that Yoel's lost.
00:37:09.000 Okay, second fight with Robert Whittaker.
00:37:11.000 Arguably, he won that fight.
00:37:13.000 He hurt Robert Whitaker a lot in that fight.
00:37:15.000 And Robert Whitaker really didn't hurt him.
00:37:17.000 And in the remaining rounds, he had Whitaker in trouble on at least two occasions. 0.91
00:37:22.000 We had him in deep shit, where I think he should have won the rounds. 0.53
00:37:25.000 So that's one fight that he could have easily won. 0.95
00:37:29.000 Knocks out Luke Rockhold, but didn't make the weight, so he doesn't get the title.
00:37:33.000 Then you gotta think about his...
00:37:36.000 You know, the fight with Adesanya, he just kind of didn't do anything.
00:37:40.000 That was weird.
00:37:41.000 That fight was weird.
00:37:41.000 They both kind of...
00:37:43.000 Well, I think Adesanya realized, like, early on in the fight, Adesanya, he attacked, and Yoel countered with a big left hand and clipped him, and you could see Izzy realizing, like, this motherfucker is fast, and he's playing this weird game where he just wants to stand there and wait for you, 0.99
00:38:00.000 and then just explode on you, you know? 0.96
00:38:02.000 But you look at some of his knockouts, like the knockout of Chris Weidman, you're like, Jesus Christ, look at him!
00:38:09.000 He's 44!
00:38:11.000 And he's going up, man.
00:38:12.000 So maybe cutting less weight, he might...
00:38:13.000 Bro, he might be better.
00:38:15.000 Yeah.
00:38:15.000 Yeah.
00:38:16.000 And it's crazy, he's fighting Rumble.
00:38:17.000 I mean, Rumble's been out for how many years now?
00:38:20.000 Rumble is huge too, man.
00:38:22.000 Yeah, enormous.
00:38:23.000 Yeah.
00:38:23.000 Rumble's been out for at least four years, right?
00:38:27.000 I want to say...
00:38:29.000 Not that long.
00:38:30.000 No?
00:38:30.000 I wouldn't think.
00:38:31.000 Well, Cormier was the light heavyweight champ at the time.
00:38:36.000 And he beat Rumble.
00:38:38.000 And this is when Jon Jones was suspended.
00:38:40.000 When they stripped Jon of the title.
00:38:41.000 What year was that?
00:38:42.000 17. Yeah, four years ago.
00:38:44.000 Damn. 0.99
00:38:44.000 Almost exactly. 0.99
00:38:45.000 It doesn't feel like that long.
00:38:46.000 I know.
00:38:47.000 So that was UFC 210. And then he's coming back.
00:38:52.000 And, you know, it's interesting, too, because Bellator, they don't have USADA. They do not.
00:39:00.000 They do not.
00:39:01.000 So they're a little bit looser.
00:39:04.000 Yeah.
00:39:05.000 You know, you basically, I think what it is, it's like the old days where you just get tested at the weigh-ins.
00:39:10.000 Sometimes you don't even get tested.
00:39:11.000 Really?
00:39:12.000 When do you not get tested at the winners?
00:39:16.000 They go by the Athletic Commission.
00:39:17.000 Whatever that state that the Bellator shows in, that's what it goes by.
00:39:20.000 Just like a small circuit show.
00:39:23.000 If the Athletic Commission is testing, then you get tested.
00:39:25.000 If not, you don't.
00:39:27.000 Oh, that makes sense.
00:39:28.000 Because there were some dudes that were fighting.
00:39:29.000 I don't want to mention any names. 0.99
00:39:31.000 But I'd look at them and be like, get the fuck out of here. 1.00
00:39:34.000 Just get the fuck out of here. 1.00
00:39:36.000 Most of the time it's post-fight when you get back to your locker room. 0.99
00:39:39.000 If the athletic commission in that state is doing tests, then they'll test you.
00:39:43.000 But there's some places you could do it, especially if you do it on Native American reservations, like those fights.
00:39:50.000 They probably don't test.
00:39:52.000 I know that...
00:39:53.000 Let me think.
00:39:55.000 I think that they do at the Bellator when we go up to Connecticut.
00:39:58.000 Foxwoods?
00:39:59.000 No.
00:40:00.000 The other one?
00:40:00.000 Mohegan Sun.
00:40:01.000 Mohegan Sun?
00:40:01.000 I think they test.
00:40:02.000 They test?
00:40:02.000 I believe so.
00:40:03.000 So do they have their own commission?
00:40:04.000 No.
00:40:05.000 Not sure.
00:40:06.000 They might...
00:40:06.000 I don't know.
00:40:07.000 I don't know how they do it.
00:40:08.000 But I'm pretty sure I remember being with a buddy who got tested.
00:40:10.000 Does USADA wake you up at like 6 o'clock in the morning?
00:40:12.000 They knock on your door?
00:40:14.000 7 a.m.
00:40:14.000 one time on Super Bowl Sunday, they came.
00:40:16.000 I'm like, man.
00:40:17.000 Yeah, they come all the time.
00:40:19.000 They come all the time.
00:40:20.000 How annoying is that, though?
00:40:22.000 I like it.
00:40:23.000 I mean, I don't like being woke up and taking blood that early in the morning, but if it's cleaning up the sport, I like it.
00:40:29.000 I don't mind.
00:40:30.000 I like the cleaning up the sport.
00:40:31.000 I don't like waking up athletes when they need their sleep.
00:40:33.000 Sleep is so important.
00:40:35.000 It's such a factor.
00:40:36.000 Yeah.
00:40:36.000 It's such a factor in recovery.
00:40:38.000 You could fuck up a training session.
00:40:39.000 That could lead to an injury. 0.99
00:40:41.000 Easily.
00:40:42.000 Yeah.
00:40:43.000 That's...
00:40:44.000 I mean, that's my thought.
00:40:45.000 They could come late in the afternoon.
00:40:46.000 They don't have to be that early.
00:40:47.000 But there is no other way to...
00:40:49.000 You have to randomly get tested to pop these guys.
00:40:52.000 Otherwise, if you know when you fight, like on a normal fight, like we're talking about with Bellator or something, you know you're getting tested that night probably.
00:40:58.000 So you do your drugs, whatever you're going to do, and just make sure you're clean that night.
00:41:01.000 Yeah.
00:41:02.000 Yeah, you can plan.
00:41:03.000 That's the problem.
00:41:04.000 This is a short-acting...
00:41:06.000 Compounds that they can take that will be out of your system in six to eight hours.
00:41:10.000 So if you did go to bed at midnight and you knew that you were going to get tested at 10 a.m., you'd be golden.
00:41:16.000 Yeah.
00:41:17.000 The random thing is...
00:41:18.000 I get it, but still. 0.99
00:41:20.000 It's just fucked up. 0.99
00:41:22.000 An athlete in the middle of a training camp for a big fight and you're waking them up early in the morning to test them? 0.99
00:41:27.000 For me, it's usually around 8 a.m.
00:41:30.000 8 a.m.
00:41:30.000 is not too bad.
00:41:31.000 Yeah.
00:41:32.000 I sleep till...
00:41:33.000 Do they always take blood as well?
00:41:35.000 Do they take urine and blood sometimes?
00:41:37.000 Most of the time it's just urine, and every now and then there'll be urine and blood.
00:41:41.000 Huh.
00:41:43.000 They come in with a nurse to wherever you're at.
00:41:45.000 I wonder how long they're going to keep doing that.
00:41:50.000 You know, I wonder.
00:41:51.000 How long is the deal?
00:41:52.000 I don't know.
00:41:53.000 Did they sign you saw the deal?
00:41:54.000 I don't know.
00:41:55.000 Not sure.
00:41:56.000 It seems expensive, but they have caught people.
00:41:59.000 Yeah.
00:42:00.000 And you've seen some physiques melt.
00:42:03.000 Have you?
00:42:05.000 I'm just glad I didn't come up training with Tim Crater and stuff like that early in my career.
00:42:09.000 That wasn't a part of the gym.
00:42:11.000 I wasn't at a big gym where that was around, so I've never really been exposed to it.
00:42:15.000 Yeah, well, I wonder with some gyms, you know, if they have chemists and scientists and they're trying to figure out workarounds.
00:42:23.000 Because one of the weird things about MMA is you've got some very wealthy people who invest in MMA and it's a super positive thing like Dan Lambert.
00:42:34.000 Like Dan Lambert. 0.96
00:42:36.000 Fucking love that guy. 0.94
00:42:37.000 And what he did with the American Top Team is literally helped elevate the sport in a gigantic way. 0.98
00:42:43.000 He spent millions and millions of dollars.
00:42:46.000 He took care of the fighters, he created dormitories, he built a state-of-the-art, world-class facility, hired the best instructors, and really elevated what it means to have a world-class MMA gym.
00:42:59.000 American Top Team is an institution.
00:43:01.000 It's like, you drive by it, it's huge.
00:43:03.000 Like you said, dorms, the amenities there are incredible.
00:43:06.000 And Dan goes out like, It goes out of the way to make sure you're good.
00:43:10.000 For me in training camps, if we want a different look, he'll fly sparring partners in and never ask me for a dollar.
00:43:16.000 He wants to make sure the fighters are prepared.
00:43:19.000 He's a good dude, man.
00:43:20.000 He's a great guy.
00:43:21.000 I've known him forever.
00:43:22.000 The sport is very fortunate to have Dan Lambert around.
00:43:26.000 And there's been a few guys like that that have kind of maybe not become as prominent and stay in the shadows.
00:43:33.000 I wonder how many of them are a little shady, you know?
00:43:35.000 How many of them are a little shady, a little higher-end, a little chemist, like, listen, we're gonna help this guy.
00:43:39.000 We're gonna make a super team, yeah.
00:43:40.000 Yeah.
00:43:41.000 What can we do?
00:43:43.000 What's legal and what's not?
00:43:44.000 Or what can show up in tests?
00:43:48.000 You know, like, when you hear about that Victor Conte thing with Balco, when they developed the clear that they used for Barry Bonds, they had this undetectable steroid.
00:43:56.000 They basically had a steroid that, when they went to look for the steroids in the tests, the standard tests that they used, the steroid wouldn't show up.
00:44:03.000 Yeah, the crooks are always out in front trying to figure a new way.
00:44:06.000 Then the other side catches up and you've got to figure something else out.
00:44:11.000 It's a cat and mouse game of getting jacked.
00:44:14.000 Well, I always wonder what's happening right now.
00:44:16.000 What's happening right now that we're going to hear about in the future?
00:44:18.000 Did you ever see the documentary Icarus?
00:44:20.000 Yeah.
00:44:21.000 Crazy, right?
00:44:22.000 Right.
00:44:22.000 So the EPO thing was one that kind of got away, right?
00:44:24.000 Guys were using EPO. Yeah, yeah.
00:44:28.000 Yeah, the EPO one was one that a few guys got popped for it.
00:44:33.000 I remember Bagutinov got popped for it back when he fought Mighty Mouse.
00:44:40.000 He got popped for it.
00:44:41.000 Or during that time period, he got popped for EPO. But you didn't hear about very many guys until TJ. Yeah, TJ was a big one.
00:44:47.000 When TJ got popped for EPO. I think people had suspected TJ was doing something because he looked like a dead man.
00:44:55.000 Like, literally looked like a dead man as he was like...
00:44:57.000 The guy's gotta be doing something just to show up in the morning. 0.99
00:45:00.000 Because he had dehydrated and starved himself down to, like, a fucking skeleton to try to make 125. I don't know a whole lot about... 0.98
00:45:08.000 EPO, but it gives you energy as well?
00:45:10.000 It raises your blood.
00:45:12.000 It raises your blood count.
00:45:14.000 So what it is, is it makes your body produce more red blood cells.
00:45:19.000 Which is similar to what we were talking about before.
00:45:20.000 The sauna has a similar effect, but just not as potent.
00:45:25.000 But so with that, you get more oxygen and more nutrients to the muscles?
00:45:28.000 Yeah, you get more endurance.
00:45:31.000 Famously, this is one of the things they use in cycling.
00:45:33.000 Right.
00:45:34.000 Yeah, because they need that endurance.
00:45:37.000 But, you know, for a guy like TJ, I guess, I read an interview recently where he's talking about it, that he was anemic because he had starved himself to try to make 125. He's big, man.
00:45:48.000 You know, I've been around him.
00:45:49.000 Yeah.
00:45:50.000 For 125, he's big.
00:45:51.000 Well, he was 145 in the Ultimate Fighter and then won the title at 135 and then tried to get down to 125 to fight Henry.
00:45:59.000 Yeah.
00:45:59.000 I mean, he made it.
00:46:00.000 He did make it, but God, he looked like shit. 1.00
00:46:03.000 He looked scary. 1.00
00:46:04.000 To do that, you have to have a team and a chemist behind you to get your body.
00:46:08.000 I mean, that's just as extreme as it gets.
00:46:11.000 Right.
00:46:12.000 Yeah, and that's a perfect example of why not just fight at your weight class?
00:46:17.000 Yeah.
00:46:18.000 It's a bummer, man.
00:46:20.000 It's a...
00:46:21.000 I think before I'm done fighting, I'm going to fight at 170. You think so?
00:46:24.000 Yeah, I'll go up to 170 and fight Nate.
00:46:27.000 For sure.
00:46:27.000 So you would do that now?
00:46:29.000 Yeah.
00:46:29.000 You think that fight's interesting?
00:46:30.000 I do.
00:46:31.000 Yeah.
00:46:32.000 Also because of the way it fell apart.
00:46:34.000 Me and him were supposed to fight Madison Square Garden.
00:46:36.000 Right.
00:46:37.000 And I kind of was the fall guy.
00:46:39.000 I had to...
00:46:40.000 He gets the point and say, I pulled out of the fight.
00:46:42.000 And I did.
00:46:42.000 I went to get stem cells done on my hip.
00:46:44.000 But I was going to fight.
00:46:46.000 I was going to go through with camp and fight him if they wouldn't have started offering me other replacement opponents.
00:46:51.000 Nate was playing games with the UFC. UFC started offering me opponents.
00:46:54.000 And I said, look, guys, if this is happening, I'm just going to go get my hip taken care of.
00:46:58.000 Right.
00:46:58.000 And he's a guy I've always wanted to fight.
00:47:01.000 Right.
00:47:01.000 You had a labrum issue, right?
00:47:03.000 I had a bunch of bone spurs.
00:47:06.000 My labrum was torn, but it's the head of my femur that was the big problem.
00:47:09.000 It wasn't round anymore.
00:47:10.000 Oh, wow.
00:47:11.000 Yeah.
00:47:12.000 And so what do they do?
00:47:13.000 So the stem cells didn't work because, you know, stem cells might help connective tissue and stuff like that, but it was a, the construction, like, of my...
00:47:22.000 The bone was rubbing against...
00:47:23.000 It was a structural issue.
00:47:24.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:47:25.000 Stem cells aren't going to change the shape of your femur. 0.64
00:47:27.000 Right.
00:47:27.000 So I went to Vail, Colorado, to the Stedman Clinic, and they fractured my femur, re-rounded it.
00:47:35.000 Dude, five-hour surgery.
00:47:37.000 Whoa.
00:47:37.000 I had to get an epidural.
00:47:38.000 It was nuts.
00:47:39.000 They re-rounded it and fractured it.
00:47:41.000 How do they fracture it?
00:47:42.000 They drill a bunch of micro holes in the head of it.
00:47:45.000 Oh my god.
00:47:46.000 Until it kind of cracks.
00:47:47.000 And then with that, stem cells and healing stuff comes out and creates a new surface on top of the femur. 0.99
00:47:53.000 Holy shit.
00:47:54.000 So I couldn't put any weight at all for eight weeks because the surface of my femur was, you know. 0.98
00:48:00.000 Wow.
00:48:01.000 Yeah.
00:48:02.000 That's a long recovery process then, huh?
00:48:04.000 Yeah, and it was right after the Khabib fight.
00:48:06.000 Like I was telling you earlier, I usually, when I lose, get back in the gym.
00:48:09.000 I went straight to surgery a couple weeks after, so I had to just sit there and think about that.
00:48:14.000 I couldn't get back in the gym, dude.
00:48:16.000 Eight weeks, I'm like Bruce Lee, man.
00:48:18.000 I'm trying to do the mental training when he was hurt.
00:48:20.000 I'm sitting there watching fights, writing stuff down.
00:48:23.000 I became a student, really.
00:48:24.000 I watched a lot of old boxing matches.
00:48:25.000 Oh, yeah?
00:48:26.000 Yeah.
00:48:27.000 So you used the time wisely?
00:48:28.000 Yeah.
00:48:28.000 Well, that's good, though.
00:48:29.000 At least you got something out of it.
00:48:31.000 Yeah.
00:48:31.000 I was still, like, really focused on becoming a better defensive fighter and trying to make less mistakes, so I watched a lot of Peniel Whitaker and stuff like that.
00:48:38.000 I got to really sit back and just watch fights.
00:48:41.000 Absorb.
00:48:42.000 And think.
00:48:42.000 I couldn't train at all.
00:48:44.000 Couldn't even walk on it.
00:48:45.000 Couldn't even walk.
00:48:45.000 Eight weeks.
00:48:46.000 Had to sleep in a machine, a metal machine every night that, like, moves your leg.
00:48:50.000 So I had to sleep with my leg moving.
00:48:52.000 A constant motion machine?
00:48:54.000 I had one of those when I had my ACL done.
00:48:56.000 I had a patella tendon graft, and immediately after surgery, they put you in this thing, you go... 1.00
00:49:02.000 That shit's annoying. 0.98
00:49:03.000 I had to sleep in that for like maybe six weeks. 1.00
00:49:05.000 What?
00:49:06.000 Yeah.
00:49:06.000 Oh my god.
00:49:08.000 Wow. 0.99
00:49:09.000 It sucked.
00:49:10.000 What was it like to take the first steps after eight weeks?
00:49:14.000 I had kind of started putting weight on it and I wasn't supposed to with the crutches because I was on crutches for eight weeks.
00:49:19.000 So I wasn't like...
00:49:20.000 My balance and everything still felt good, but I definitely felt weak. 0.99
00:49:24.000 You know, like my ass, my back. 0.99
00:49:25.000 I felt it there. 0.98
00:49:27.000 When I started grappling and stuff, I felt like my hips.
00:49:29.000 And, you know, when you're trying to get back on top and you're fighting position, I just felt a difference there.
00:49:34.000 How long did you wait before you trained hard again?
00:49:37.000 I went...
00:49:38.000 The next fight after that one was the hooker fight. 1.00
00:49:43.000 Not that long.
00:49:45.000 Yeah, that seemed like you would need more time to recover from eight weeks of nothing.
00:49:50.000 Yeah.
00:49:51.000 And then also just whatever's going on inside of your hip.
00:49:54.000 Yeah, and it was sore for a while, even after the surgery, like when everything was supposed to be healed.
00:49:59.000 I think it takes a lot longer than eight weeks for bones to really get back to...
00:50:02.000 How's it feel now?
00:50:03.000 I feel good.
00:50:05.000 Every now and then I'm sore.
00:50:06.000 My range of motion isn't a whole lot better, but...
00:50:10.000 But it's not doing the damage to the inside of your...
00:50:12.000 Yeah, hopefully in the long run, the arthritis won't be as bad from, you know, the bone-on-bone stuff.
00:50:17.000 But they repaired the labrum, and I'm still sore here and there, but my quality of life is better.
00:50:22.000 It's like before, if I'd go to the mall with my wife and daughter, and we'd walk around for an hour and a half, I'd be hurting.
00:50:27.000 Really?
00:50:28.000 I'd like to stand on it that long, yeah.
00:50:28.000 Isn't that crazy?
00:50:30.000 Professional fighter at the highest level, and it hurts walking through the mall.
00:50:33.000 Right.
00:50:34.000 Like if we'd sit down in the food court and I'd go to get up too fast, I'd have to sit back down real quick.
00:50:38.000 It's like a shock in my hip.
00:50:40.000 It was very painful.
00:50:41.000 And I don't have that anymore.
00:50:42.000 So that's a big...
00:50:43.000 That's crazy.
00:50:44.000 And you were fighting like that.
00:50:45.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:50:47.000 Grappling, kicking people and shit. 0.99
00:50:48.000 I couldn't run. 0.98
00:50:49.000 So for that, before the surgery, sprints, if I ran sprints, I would pay for it for a week and a half with my hip.
00:50:55.000 So I'd have to pick and choose what I'm going to do.
00:50:57.000 Or if I repped a bunch of kicks on my left leg, anything over the body, like if I went high or even the body, too many of them, I would pay for it for a week and a half after.
00:51:05.000 It was always usually a week, a week and a half of really bad soreness if I pushed it too far with my hip.
00:51:10.000 So the hooker fight was how many months ago?
00:51:15.000 June, I believe.
00:51:17.000 Okay.
00:51:17.000 So that's not that long.
00:51:20.000 Yeah, as soon as I got the green light to be full steam training, I went right into camp a couple weeks after.
00:51:26.000 So what is that, eight months?
00:51:27.000 That's not that long for a severe injury like that.
00:51:31.000 You know, like a real injury like that where they're getting into the bones. 0.98
00:51:36.000 Doing all that micro-fracturing shit. 0.82
00:51:38.000 I've had some friends that have had that done to their knees. 0.99
00:51:41.000 And it's a long, brutal process to get back to 100%.
00:51:45.000 It's amazing that you were able to fight so quickly after that.
00:51:49.000 Because the Khabib fight was only a few months before that, right? 0.98
00:51:51.000 September.
00:51:52.000 Yeah.
00:51:55.000 I got a picture, man.
00:51:56.000 They took a lot of bone out.
00:51:57.000 It was a lot.
00:51:59.000 Like how much?
00:52:01.000 Show me it.
00:52:02.000 Can you send it to Jamie so we can put it on the screen?
00:52:05.000 They put it next to a ruler so you can really get a scale of how big the pieces were.
00:52:12.000 Pretty serious, man.
00:52:14.000 Let me see here.
00:52:16.000 Like enough to fill up a water bottle top?
00:52:19.000 Oh, more.
00:52:20.000 Really?
00:52:20.000 Oh, yeah.
00:52:22.000 Let me find this.
00:52:23.000 More than that, dude.
00:52:24.000 Like a mouthwash cap?
00:52:27.000 I would say mouthwash cap.
00:52:29.000 Really?
00:52:29.000 Maybe more, dude.
00:52:30.000 Oh my god.
00:52:33.000 Let me see.
00:52:33.000 Here we go.
00:52:35.000 September.
00:52:37.000 Let's keep you guys waiting here.
00:52:39.000 No, that's okay.
00:52:39.000 We're waiting.
00:52:41.000 We're excited.
00:52:43.000 I remember when Jacare got his elbow done.
00:52:45.000 Oh, here we go. 1.00
00:52:46.000 I stared at that shit for weeks. 1.00
00:52:47.000 I actually have a... 1.00
00:52:49.000 So here's an actual ruler.
00:52:53.000 Oh my God!
00:52:55.000 You might better fill up a coffee cup with that, bro.
00:52:57.000 Dude, this is crazy.
00:53:00.000 This is crazy.
00:53:01.000 Yeah.
00:53:02.000 Wow.
00:53:03.000 Okay, let me airdrop this.
00:53:05.000 How do I airdrop this?
00:53:05.000 I don't have an iPhone.
00:53:07.000 Oh, what do you have?
00:53:07.000 What is this nonsense?
00:53:08.000 Samsung. 0.53
00:53:09.000 How dare you?
00:53:10.000 Oh, actually, well, I can't get it to my computer.
00:53:11.000 I know, I hear it all the time.
00:53:12.000 Oh, it's okay.
00:53:15.000 If you could text it to me.
00:53:17.000 Here, hold on a second.
00:53:19.000 I don't even know what my number is.
00:53:20.000 Let's see.
00:53:21.000 I'm sure you got a new one.
00:53:22.000 I'll probably have your old one.
00:53:22.000 Yeah.
00:53:23.000 It's the bottom one.
00:53:24.000 The bottom one there.
00:53:26.000 Yeah, text it to me.
00:53:28.000 Gotcha.
00:53:29.000 Yeah, but they took a lot of- You're one of those Samsung renegades, huh?
00:53:32.000 One of those dudes living on the edge?
00:53:33.000 Living on the edge, bro.
00:53:35.000 Operating with an Android? 1.00
00:53:38.000 Do people give you shit about it? 1.00
00:53:39.000 All the time. 1.00
00:53:40.000 Isn't it weird?
00:53:40.000 Yeah, because like on Twitter, you know, you can see Twitter for Android or something like that.
00:53:45.000 And people just...
00:53:45.000 Isn't that weird though?
00:53:47.000 Why does it matter?
00:53:47.000 Why is it a gang thing?
00:53:48.000 I don't know.
00:53:49.000 It's weird.
00:53:50.000 It's like a Republican-Democrat thing.
00:53:52.000 Why is it a gang thing?
00:53:53.000 It is.
00:53:53.000 It's a weird thing.
00:53:55.000 Like people decide they don't like...
00:53:56.000 My friend Ian Edwards, look at this.
00:54:01.000 That's your hip? 0.99
00:54:02.000 Yeah.
00:54:04.000 That's that thing in my stomach.
00:54:05.000 So I had an epidural line in my back, and this in my stomach is a nerve block.
00:54:10.000 And a piece of cloth casually covering your hog.
00:54:15.000 So that all went in there. 1.00
00:54:18.000 God damn, dude. 0.99
00:54:23.000 So this picture, he's going to send it to me, Jamie, and then I'm going to text it to you. 1.00
00:54:29.000 Did you send it to me?
00:54:31.000 I'm doing it now.
00:54:35.000 It literally looks like pebbles that you found on the beach.
00:54:40.000 It looks like a handful, like a solid handful of pebbles.
00:54:48.000 So that's probably the worst injury you've ever had, I would imagine, right?
00:54:53.000 Yeah.
00:54:55.000 I've had two surgeries on my nose.
00:54:57.000 I have a cadaver rib cartilage in my nose bridge.
00:55:00.000 Oh, really?
00:55:01.000 Yeah.
00:55:01.000 When I fought Joe Duffy, he crushed my nose.
00:55:04.000 Yeah?
00:55:05.000 Crushed it, yeah.
00:55:06.000 And the first surgery, I still couldn't breathe, so we had to do it again.
00:55:09.000 They had to re-break it and stuff.
00:55:11.000 Some guys, you can hear them talk, like Justin Gaethje, and you know that dude can't breathe.
00:55:16.000 Yeah.
00:55:16.000 There's no way he's breathing out of his nose.
00:55:20.000 I think that's so smart to do that.
00:55:23.000 It's so smart to be able to breathe out of your nose.
00:55:25.000 And I know guys are like, well, I'm just going to break it anyway.
00:55:27.000 That's so what?
00:55:28.000 Yeah, I'm not going to mess with it again until I'm done fighting.
00:55:31.000 Because it's going to get smashed.
00:55:33.000 Actually, when I went for the second surgery, they said, you only broke your nose once.
00:55:37.000 I was like, yeah.
00:55:38.000 They said, no, you've broken it three or four or five times.
00:55:40.000 I guess the healing lines of the cartilage and bone, they saw it was crushed or cracked a bunch.
00:55:46.000 I'm sure.
00:55:47.000 Micro cracks all the time.
00:55:49.000 Sure.
00:55:50.000 Just even probably from sparring.
00:55:52.000 What's happening with your phone?
00:55:54.000 I'm having trouble with this.
00:55:55.000 Do you need help?
00:55:55.000 Yes.
00:55:56.000 Maybe you should get an iPhone. 0.98
00:55:57.000 Be super fucking easy. 0.95
00:56:00.000 Yeah. 0.56
00:56:01.000 I'm gonna get it.
00:56:03.000 You're gonna get an iPhone?
00:56:04.000 No.
00:56:05.000 No?
00:56:05.000 I'm gonna get this.
00:56:06.000 Oh, you're committed.
00:56:07.000 You're committed to the Android phone?
00:56:08.000 I am. 1.00
00:56:09.000 It's been- Because people fuck with you, right? 1.00
00:56:11.000 You're one of those guys. 1.00
00:56:12.000 I'm just used to it.
00:56:13.000 I don't want to switch it up.
00:56:14.000 I get it.
00:56:14.000 I'm just used to it.
00:56:16.000 But you're right.
00:56:16.000 We would have this message.
00:56:17.000 We would have the picture up if I had an iPhone.
00:56:19.000 But it's an interesting thing, the commitment that people have to Android. 1.00
00:56:23.000 When they have it, they're like, no, fuck you. 1.00
00:56:25.000 I'm sticking in my guns. 1.00
00:56:27.000 And then when they do give in, they do give in.
00:56:29.000 A lot of them give in.
00:56:31.000 I've thought about it.
00:56:32.000 Really?
00:56:32.000 So I've thought about it.
00:56:33.000 What have you thought?
00:56:34.000 Be easier?
00:56:35.000 Does your wife have an Android? 0.99
00:56:37.000 Uh, iPhone.
00:56:38.000 Oh, that's a problem.
00:56:40.000 Dude, I can't get it.
00:56:41.000 You can't do it!
00:56:43.000 Here, listen, man. 1.00
00:56:45.000 Write your fucking phone number down on this. 1.00
00:56:49.000 Write your phone number down on this, and I will send you a text, and then you can text me the photo if you can figure out how to do that. 1.00
00:56:58.000 I feel like we're in the 80s.
00:57:00.000 This is outrageous.
00:57:02.000 Isn't it?
00:57:03.000 Come on, man.
00:57:04.000 It shouldn't be this hard.
00:57:05.000 For some reason, when I go to the photo, it doesn't let me add a new number.
00:57:10.000 It's going to my contact list.
00:57:11.000 Really?
00:57:12.000 Yeah.
00:57:12.000 That's what's happening.
00:57:14.000 It doesn't let you add a new number?
00:57:17.000 You can't just text in a number?
00:57:19.000 I guess I have to have your number saved to share a photo from my...
00:57:24.000 Alright, I'm calling you right now.
00:57:26.000 That's me.
00:57:27.000 You got that?
00:57:28.000 Got you.
00:57:28.000 Alright, there you go.
00:57:30.000 No, send a text message.
00:57:32.000 Or maybe I'll just text you because it's confusing to you.
00:57:34.000 No, I got it, Joe.
00:57:35.000 It's Joe.
00:57:37.000 There you go.
00:57:40.000 Got it.
00:57:41.000 Alright, send me that picture, bro.
00:57:43.000 Come on, we can do this.
00:57:44.000 This is a 10 minute, but it's going to be worth it, folks.
00:57:47.000 For the people at home. 0.99
00:57:48.000 For the people that want to see how fucked up. 0.99
00:57:50.000 And this is the worst Samsung advertisement of all time. 0.99
00:57:53.000 Don't do it.
00:57:54.000 Don't go to the Samsung.
00:57:55.000 I'm going to get it.
00:57:56.000 Hold on.
00:58:00.000 You good?
00:58:01.000 Great.
00:58:02.000 Dude, I'm saving your number now.
00:58:04.000 Oh, you're saving it.
00:58:04.000 Better than good.
00:58:05.000 I understand.
00:58:06.000 And now you have to save it first, and then...
00:58:10.000 Now I can edit.
00:58:11.000 You can't just send me a picture?
00:58:12.000 That doesn't make any sense.
00:58:13.000 Boom.
00:58:14.000 How about that?
00:58:15.000 Just send it to you.
00:58:16.000 Okay, here we go.
00:58:20.000 Come on, baby. 0.97
00:58:22.000 Come on.
00:58:23.000 Nothing. 1.00
00:58:25.000 Where is this bitch? 1.00
00:58:26.000 Nothing. 0.99
00:58:27.000 Alright, I'm gonna hold onto my phone and Jamie, the moment it comes to me could be within the hour.
00:58:34.000 It's going through some routing in South Korea.
00:58:39.000 You know what else?
00:58:40.000 Ah!
00:58:41.000 I got it.
00:58:41.000 Boom.
00:58:42.000 Alright, here we go.
00:58:43.000 You know what else?
00:58:44.000 From Android to iPhone, if I send a pic, it gets grainy.
00:58:48.000 I notice my wife and her friends, when they send pics, it stays clear.
00:58:51.000 Yeah, it's because of airdrop and because of iMessage.
00:58:55.000 iMessage, here, Jamie, I'm going to airdrop it to you.
00:58:58.000 Look how quick this is.
00:58:59.000 This will take literally seconds.
00:59:01.000 Dustin, you send me the picture, it took about 10 minutes, and then bam, Jamie's got the picture.
00:59:05.000 Sorry about that.
00:59:06.000 No worries, bro.
00:59:07.000 No worries.
00:59:08.000 We got it now.
00:59:09.000 There you go.
00:59:10.000 Oh, the other one is your hip.
00:59:12.000 The other one is the hip before they reshaped it.
00:59:14.000 Oh, wow.
00:59:15.000 So look at all that debris. 0.99
00:59:17.000 That is fucking crazy. 1.00
00:59:19.000 All that shit was floating around inside your hip, and you were fighting with that. 1.00
00:59:23.000 That's nuts. 1.00
00:59:25.000 That's big.
00:59:26.000 Yeah.
00:59:27.000 Some of those chunks are like a half an inch. 0.99
00:59:30.000 Those are big fucking chunks. 0.99
00:59:32.000 It was a five-hour surgery. 1.00
00:59:36.000 Jamie, look how big those chunks are.
00:59:37.000 Those are floating or those are what broke off them?
00:59:40.000 I don't know.
00:59:41.000 They're both.
00:59:44.000 And this one here is the...
00:59:46.000 My body was pushing more bone growth to the outsides of my femur.
00:59:53.000 So it's kind of mushroomed out in that picture there.
00:59:56.000 You see the edges of it are kind of mushroomed out?
00:59:58.000 Yeah.
00:59:59.000 So that was not allowing me to...
01:00:00.000 Anytime my leg would go laterally, that edge would hit inside of the...
01:00:06.000 Inside of my hip and rip it up. 0.83
01:00:08.000 So were you concerned that this was kind of a career ender?
01:00:11.000 Like, what was the doctor's prognosis when he saw how bad it was in there?
01:00:14.000 He kind of gave me some confidence because he told me the spacing in my hip, from my femur to my hip socket, the spacing is healthy.
01:00:21.000 So that's what they usually, like hip replacements and stuff, if you're spacing, you have no room in there, that's when they usually have to do something or it's a threat to your career.
01:00:29.000 But my spacing is healthy.
01:00:30.000 It was just the bone growth.
01:00:31.000 My body pushed more bone on the outside of my femur and wouldn't allow me to...
01:00:35.000 So it's basically an injury that you should have taken care of a while ago and you kind of let it go a little too long and it started getting weird.
01:00:43.000 Yeah. 0.97
01:00:43.000 When did it first start fucking up? 0.97
01:00:45.000 So it's been years. 0.99
01:00:48.000 It's been bothering me for years.
01:00:49.000 And then we did stem cells.
01:00:51.000 Did that help at all?
01:00:52.000 I thought it did.
01:00:53.000 I was hoping, but it turned out I was still in a lot of pain.
01:00:58.000 Did it help in the beginning and then stopped helping?
01:01:01.000 I thought I was less sore.
01:01:03.000 If I did run sprints, instead of taking a week and a half, I thought maybe three or four days I was good.
01:01:08.000 So I noticed a little bit in that, but then it felt like it went back to exactly how it was before.
01:01:13.000 It sounds like the structure was just tearing up all the inside of your head.
01:01:17.000 Exactly.
01:01:17.000 Structurally they had to re-round it.
01:01:19.000 But it seems like now if you've got stem cells, since they've re-rounded it and everything, maybe it would help heal up that area a little bit better.
01:01:25.000 Yeah, we did PRP when they closed it up after surgery.
01:01:28.000 When did you get the stem cells done?
01:01:30.000 In LA, but I don't know what doctor.
01:01:32.000 It was a doctor that does a lot of NBA players.
01:01:34.000 You gotta go to another country, bro.
01:01:36.000 Where they can really do it.
01:01:38.000 You gotta go to Panama.
01:01:38.000 I didn't get the good stuff.
01:01:39.000 But still, it wouldn't have reshaped the head of my...
01:01:41.000 No, no, it wouldn't have.
01:01:43.000 But I mean, like, to now, to heal up the area. 0.91
01:01:45.000 There's shit that they can do in other countries that the United States, for whatever reason... 0.93
01:01:51.000 They just don't want to take those chances. 0.99
01:01:52.000 I sent my mom down to Panama twice.
01:01:55.000 They wanted her to get a knee replacement and she was in some pretty significant pain and eight months later, no pain.
01:02:01.000 Wow.
01:02:01.000 I don't fully understand how stem cells, like, what was arthritis or she had a tear?
01:02:06.000 Yeah, arthritis, you know, some cartilage issues and some meniscus issues.
01:02:11.000 And, you know, it just, it's soft tissue and it can regenerate tissue and reduces inflammation pretty radically and it can...
01:02:20.000 It really should be used much more extensively in the United States, but for whatever reason, whether it's political, whether it's the FDA, who is responsible for regulating it, they're not showing any real significant problems from people using it,
01:02:38.000 but they are showing a lot of significant benefits.
01:02:41.000 It's crazy how they go into your body and know what to repair and what to do, right?
01:02:45.000 It's nuts.
01:02:47.000 Yeah, they've got a lot of people who are going down to Columbia now, and Dr. Neil Reardon, who's been on my show before, he took care of TJ. TJ went down to Panama, and that's where I sent my mom.
01:02:58.000 What did TJ get done?
01:02:59.000 Shoulder?
01:03:00.000 Shoulders, yeah.
01:03:00.000 I think he got his knee done, too.
01:03:02.000 I mean, by the time...
01:03:04.000 One of you guys gets to be 32 years old. 0.99
01:03:08.000 I mean, how many fucking injuries are you dealing with constantly? 0.99
01:03:11.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:03:11.000 Have you had any back issues? 0.99
01:03:13.000 Never.
01:03:13.000 That's amazing.
01:03:14.000 Never.
01:03:15.000 Now, do you do stuff to strengthen your back?
01:03:17.000 Do you do maintenance work and training?
01:03:20.000 Yeah, and beginning of every training camp, my strength and conditioning coach, Phil Daru, kind of gets a base.
01:03:26.000 Like, we build off the base and switch it up in phases throughout the training camp.
01:03:31.000 So the base at the beginning of camp is a lot of legs, a lot of lifting, heavy stuff.
01:03:35.000 That guy's very respected.
01:03:36.000 Yeah.
01:03:37.000 Highly respected guy.
01:03:38.000 Yeah.
01:03:38.000 He's a good dude, man.
01:03:39.000 A student.
01:03:40.000 Like I said about Mike Brown, with fighting, he feels a student of strength and body movement.
01:03:45.000 You know, not just getting strong, but efficient.
01:03:47.000 And he's helped me out a lot with a lot of different hip stuff we do.
01:03:52.000 And he knows my limits as well, so he knows if I run a bunch of sprints, I'm going to be banged up for the rest of the week.
01:03:57.000 So we've just called audibles on a lot of different things we do, and he's helped me out a lot, man.
01:04:03.000 What have you done in terms of supplementary exercises?
01:04:08.000 If you can't do sprints and you're trying to develop explosive endurance, how do you do it?
01:04:13.000 What's your standard cardio stuff?
01:04:15.000 We do a lot of aerodyne stuff.
01:04:17.000 I do a lot of swimming myself.
01:04:19.000 And then I use my actual training, honestly, as a lot of cardio stuff, like my sparring rounds, my hard wrestling rounds every Monday.
01:04:26.000 That's cardio.
01:04:28.000 For sure.
01:04:29.000 Yeah.
01:04:29.000 And the best way you can get it, getting the muscles tired that you're going to use, getting your heart rate up.
01:04:34.000 I like to do that.
01:04:35.000 I like to use my training as my conditioning.
01:04:38.000 I don't do a whole lot of extra things for conditioning.
01:04:40.000 Like I said, erodyne bike here and there, sprints, but we don't do anything crazy or really focused on cardio.
01:04:47.000 And I think, naturally, I have a little bit of a gift, and everybody's different.
01:04:51.000 My cardio, even off the couch, I'm pretty good.
01:04:54.000 So the stuff that you do with Phil Darrow, is that more strength stuff?
01:04:59.000 Strength stuff and accessory works, like keep my shoulders healthy, my hips healthy, my flexibility, stuff like that.
01:05:07.000 But at the beginning, the first phase is strength.
01:05:09.000 We get a base, and then we kind of start branching off every week after that.
01:05:14.000 And so when you said that he does stuff to keep your body healthy, like, do you do stuff specifically to work your back muscles to keep from being injured?
01:05:25.000 I'm not sure.
01:05:26.000 Because that seems like a big issue with MMA fighters.
01:05:28.000 Neck.
01:05:28.000 Is the back and neck.
01:05:29.000 Yeah, neck.
01:05:29.000 How's your neck?
01:05:30.000 My neck's fine.
01:05:31.000 Yeah?
01:05:31.000 Yeah.
01:05:32.000 Nothing?
01:05:33.000 Crazy.
01:05:33.000 I mean, now and then I have a crick in it, or not a crick, but like I'll jam it in wrestling, you know, shooting a double leg and get my head jammed back and then I'm sore for a few days, but nothing serious.
01:05:42.000 That's amazing.
01:05:43.000 Yeah.
01:05:43.000 Do you do neck exercises?
01:05:44.000 I do.
01:05:45.000 I do.
01:05:46.000 What do you do?
01:05:46.000 At the gym, we have a machine with two pads on it.
01:05:49.000 You stack.
01:05:50.000 It's like, you know, free weights you stack on it and you go forward, you go sideways.
01:05:53.000 Normal neck exercises.
01:05:55.000 And at my gym back in Louisiana, I have the head harness that you see guys use. 0.99
01:05:58.000 Do you ever fuck with an iron neck? 0.99
01:05:59.000 Do you know what that is? 1.00
01:06:00.000 I saw one before.
01:06:00.000 I've never used it.
01:06:01.000 I'll get one sent to you.
01:06:02.000 Those guys will send one to anybody that likes it. 1.00
01:06:04.000 It's the shit. 0.99
01:06:05.000 And the good thing about that is it doesn't put weird pressure on your joints. 1.00
01:06:09.000 And the rotational resistance.
01:06:12.000 Yes, exactly.
01:06:13.000 It's a big deal.
01:06:14.000 That's where the whip is, right?
01:06:15.000 When you're getting cracked and punched.
01:06:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:18.000 That's another thing.
01:06:20.000 Strengthening the neck seems to really help guys' ability to absorb shots, right?
01:06:24.000 Have you found that?
01:06:25.000 Of course, of course.
01:06:26.000 Well, if you...
01:06:27.000 I tell guys all the time, like younger fighters that I work with, of course it's punching power.
01:06:32.000 Some guys just have natural punching power, but a lot of times in fights you see guys go down, it's their positioning when they receive the shot.
01:06:39.000 And not being grounded.
01:06:41.000 Feet on the ground, neck in a position ready to receive a blow like that.
01:06:45.000 If you're throwing a hook and your neck's disconnected, like Anderson Silva, Chris Weidman.
01:06:49.000 Pulling back, your neck disconnected from your body, it's going to take all of that spin and whip.
01:06:54.000 Or the opposite side of that, you've got a guy like Justin Gaethje who sits down and just takes, but he's set and ready to receive, like his body's ready for the impact.
01:07:03.000 I think that's important, man, on the receiving side of it.
01:07:06.000 So I tell guys that a lot.
01:07:08.000 And strengthening those muscles that cause that whip, of course, would help.
01:07:12.000 Do you do hard sparring?
01:07:15.000 I used to do it way too much.
01:07:16.000 Way too much.
01:07:17.000 Now I only do five weeks every camp.
01:07:20.000 And I don't spar.
01:07:20.000 Right now between fights, I'm not fighting anybody.
01:07:23.000 I'm not sparring at all.
01:07:24.000 What did you think of Max Holloway's fight with Calvin Cater, which was probably one of his best performances ever?
01:07:30.000 Not probably.
01:07:31.000 One of his best performances ever.
01:07:33.000 No sparring at all.
01:07:34.000 He looked amazing, man.
01:07:35.000 Crazy.
01:07:36.000 Amazing.
01:07:36.000 Does that make you think?
01:07:39.000 I think at the beginning it's important, though.
01:07:41.000 Because, like, young fighters who have one or two fights, they're still kind of figuring things out.
01:07:46.000 I think you need that time under pressure.
01:07:47.000 You need to be...
01:07:49.000 For young fighters.
01:07:50.000 Yeah.
01:07:51.000 Right.
01:07:51.000 But then you get to a point where Max, Max's level, former champion, one of the best in the sport, for a guy like him...
01:08:00.000 I think you should.
01:08:01.000 Obviously not as much, but I think you should just to get your timing.
01:08:06.000 I'm not going to stop.
01:08:08.000 Just completely cut out sparring from my training camp, so I won't stop.
01:08:11.000 But I have moved it to five weeks.
01:08:12.000 I only spar five weeks at the end of camp.
01:08:14.000 Yeah, there's so many schools of thought regarding this.
01:08:17.000 That's why when Max decided to not spar at all and then puts in a performance like that, I think that opened up a lot of people's eyes.
01:08:25.000 We were like, wow, this is kind of crazy.
01:08:28.000 On the reverse side of that, before Robbie came to American Top Team, when he came, he hadn't sparred for years.
01:08:33.000 Years and years and years.
01:08:34.000 Came to American Top Team, started sparring and stuff, and then had an incredible run.
01:08:39.000 And at an, not say older age, but in his 30s.
01:08:43.000 That's true too, right?
01:08:44.000 There's There's two different, yeah.
01:08:46.000 And our genetics are different.
01:08:47.000 Some guys might be able to spar their whole career and still be composed and have their faculties.
01:08:53.000 Another guy might not be able to.
01:08:55.000 Yeah, that's the weird thing about CTE, right?
01:08:57.000 That there's a genetic component to it, and some people get it, and they get it pretty quickly.
01:09:01.000 And then some people, they can just fight their whole career, and they're fine.
01:09:05.000 I mean, Jesus Christ, Alistair Overeem has been fighting forever.
01:09:09.000 I mean, he's been KO'd so many times.
01:09:11.000 And you hear him talk...
01:09:13.000 Seems fine.
01:09:14.000 Yeah, Andre Olowski.
01:09:15.000 Yeah.
01:09:15.000 Another guy who's witty and sharp.
01:09:17.000 Yeah.
01:09:17.000 Seems fine.
01:09:19.000 It's not even.
01:09:20.000 It's not like 10 shots for you is 10 shots for this guy.
01:09:24.000 No, it's different for everybody.
01:09:26.000 Yeah.
01:09:27.000 It's interesting, too, when you see the ties who fight a lot.
01:09:30.000 They don't spar hard at all.
01:09:32.000 They touch each other in the gym.
01:09:34.000 They're basically playing.
01:09:36.000 Yeah.
01:09:36.000 They're just getting their timing down and moving light.
01:09:39.000 But when they hit each other, it's not hard at all.
01:09:41.000 That's kind of what I do between fights with my buddies and training partners.
01:09:45.000 We just touch and we have that.
01:09:46.000 But you have to have the right people to be able to do that with.
01:09:51.000 Everybody's trying to show themselves something.
01:09:54.000 Especially now, right?
01:09:55.000 Yeah.
01:09:56.000 How do you avoid those guys?
01:09:58.000 How do you keep those guys out of your circle?
01:10:01.000 I don't go to gyms and just train with anybody.
01:10:04.000 It's usually people I know.
01:10:06.000 Unless it's jiu-jitsu or something, I'll bump hands and roll with guys I don't know.
01:10:09.000 But if we're doing MMA stuff, it's fighters who I know and they have experience.
01:10:14.000 I can trust them and I've worked with them before.
01:10:16.000 I probably wouldn't even bump fists and do MMA rounds with somebody I didn't know at a gym.
01:10:23.000 I would make sure it's...
01:10:25.000 For my money, that guillotine you got, Khabib, is the closest he's ever been caught. 1.00
01:10:30.000 Dude, it was so close.
01:10:32.000 That was so close.
01:10:33.000 My plan was to guillotine Conor and change it from Fight Island to Guillotine Island.
01:10:36.000 That was the plan.
01:10:38.000 But I'll take a knockout. 0.96
01:10:40.000 Yeah, no, the Khabib fight was close.
01:10:42.000 I should have went full guard.
01:10:44.000 It was so close.
01:10:45.000 I jumped out of my seat.
01:10:46.000 I jumped out of my seat when I was watching that.
01:10:48.000 Oh my god.
01:10:49.000 It was locked in. 0.92
01:10:51.000 You got a nasty guillotine too.
01:10:52.000 You could see. 1.00
01:10:53.000 It was tight as fuck. 0.99
01:10:55.000 I haven't finished anybody in the UFC with it. 0.99
01:10:56.000 It's coming.
01:10:57.000 It's coming.
01:10:58.000 I'm going to get you.
01:11:00.000 It's going to happen. 0.93
01:11:01.000 I have a couple variations I do with the guillotine.
01:11:04.000 I submit people all the time. 0.72
01:11:06.000 Put people unconscious.
01:11:08.000 You think if you went to full guard you would have got it?
01:11:11.000 Hindsight, Joe.
01:11:13.000 Hindsight. 0.99
01:11:14.000 Is that the moment of the fight that fucks with you? 0.98
01:11:18.000 I just know how close it was. 0.98
01:11:20.000 A game of inches.
01:11:21.000 See if you can pull that up.
01:11:22.000 I know how close it was.
01:11:23.000 Let's take a look at it.
01:11:24.000 It was so tight. 1.00
01:11:25.000 I jumped out of my fucking seat. 1.00
01:11:28.000 Because I wasn't there for that fight, right? 1.00
01:11:29.000 Yeah.
01:11:30.000 That was on Fight Island.
01:11:32.000 I jumped up and I gripped the corners of the chair.
01:11:35.000 What haunts me more than the full guard is me not switching Like a Darce or anaconda when he rolled to his side.
01:11:43.000 That's what gets me more.
01:11:44.000 Why didn't I punch that arm through? 0.99
01:11:49.000 He's a beast, dude. 1.00
01:11:51.000 That motherfucker. 1.00
01:11:52.000 So, so intelligent. 1.00
01:11:55.000 People ask me all the time, is he strong?
01:11:57.000 I mean, he's strong.
01:11:58.000 I don't know if he's the strongest guy I've ever fought, but he's strong at all.
01:12:01.000 They're all strong.
01:12:01.000 Nothing overwhelming or that really surprises me.
01:12:05.000 It's just his understanding of balance and weight placement was incredible, dude.
01:12:09.000 I've been fighting and wrestling a long time as well, but he just knew where my weight was and where it needed to be for me to stay up with his foot trips.
01:12:19.000 It's hard to explain, man, but he's good.
01:12:21.000 No, that makes a lot of sense, his positioning.
01:12:24.000 He's so good at taking guys down and holding them down.
01:12:28.000 It's kind of stunning.
01:12:29.000 Here it is.
01:12:33.000 So he shoots...
01:12:34.000 Oh my goodness, that's tight.
01:12:36.000 That is so tight.
01:12:38.000 I should have crunched over too to keep him...
01:12:40.000 But look how tight that is.
01:12:42.000 Right there.
01:12:42.000 No, it's tight.
01:12:43.000 Right there.
01:12:43.000 I was like, oh my god.
01:12:45.000 Oh my god.
01:12:48.000 This is...
01:12:49.000 Like reliving this.
01:12:50.000 What is this like?
01:12:51.000 Like right there... 0.99
01:12:52.000 Like I should have punched your arm through. 0.99
01:12:53.000 Right. 0.94
01:12:54.000 But still, you still got it locked in, man.
01:12:56.000 You still got...
01:12:57.000 Right here. 1.00
01:12:57.000 Oh my god, he's in deep shit. 1.00
01:12:59.000 He is in deep shit here. 1.00
01:13:02.000 And now... 1.00
01:13:02.000 He used that right elbow. 1.00
01:13:03.000 He used that right elbow really effectively to create some space. 0.99
01:13:06.000 But even then, fuck, he gets through. 0.99
01:13:09.000 And then moves right to mount. 1.00
01:13:11.000 And then the arm control breaks you down. 1.00
01:13:14.000 Motherfucker is good, man. 1.00
01:13:14.000 Motherfucker is good. 1.00
01:13:15.000 So technical. 0.99
01:13:18.000 Part of me doesn't want him to come back.
01:13:20.000 I just love the fact that a guy escaped with 29-0.
01:13:23.000 It's a pretty impressive record.
01:13:25.000 And fought everybody.
01:13:27.000 Fought everybody.
01:13:28.000 Mauled everybody.
01:13:29.000 Got to the top.
01:13:30.000 Fought the best guys.
01:13:32.000 Fought you.
01:13:33.000 Fought Justin.
01:13:34.000 Silence.
01:13:35.000 Connor.
01:13:36.000 Just did the thing.
01:13:38.000 Got out.
01:13:39.000 Yeah.
01:13:39.000 And he's obviously a great man, you know, on top of being a great fighter.
01:13:44.000 He's a great man.
01:13:45.000 And it's so unusual the way he lives, you know?
01:13:47.000 Guy drives around in a Toyota pickup truck. 0.99
01:13:49.000 Doesn't give a fuck. 0.99
01:13:50.000 Lives in the same house. 0.99
01:13:51.000 He helped me raise a bunch of money for my foundation, and we hooked up with Justin Wren and Fight for the Forgotten.
01:13:57.000 So Khabib was a huge part of getting those water wells built.
01:13:59.000 That's awesome.
01:14:00.000 No, he's a beautiful person.
01:14:02.000 And just a great example of a champion, you know?
01:14:07.000 Yeah.
01:14:08.000 But you want it again.
01:14:09.000 Of course.
01:14:11.000 Of course.
01:14:12.000 How old is he?
01:14:13.000 I believe he's 32. Dude, he's prime time.
01:14:16.000 Yeah, 33?
01:14:16.000 32?
01:14:17.000 32?
01:14:17.000 Yeah, he's prime.
01:14:18.000 32 and never really taken damage.
01:14:20.000 Yeah, not really.
01:14:21.000 His body probably hurts from years of training like a maniac, but in actual fights, he's never...
01:14:26.000 Michael Johnson's the only one who dinged him.
01:14:29.000 And he recovered from that and beat him.
01:14:31.000 And that was one fight.
01:14:34.000 Other than that, nobody really stunned him.
01:14:37.000 Yeah.
01:14:38.000 29-0.
01:14:39.000 Got away.
01:14:40.000 Pretty amazing.
01:14:41.000 Yeah.
01:14:42.000 But the longer you stay, it's not a long game at that point.
01:14:45.000 Like, something bad's gonna happen.
01:14:46.000 Yeah, anything can happen.
01:14:48.000 And also, all these fighters have so much time to study you.
01:14:52.000 So much time to look at, like, how many people are gonna look at the Justin Gaethje fight and go, wow, he was in danger with those leg kicks. 0.98
01:14:59.000 How many people are going to look at that like, hey, that guillotine was fucking tight.
01:15:03.000 How many people are going to look at the moments that he's had where maybe he had some vulnerability where someone has a specific skill set that could have capitalized on that? 0.87
01:15:14.000 I think Gleason Tebow is the closest to ever beating him.
01:15:16.000 Yeah, very close. 0.99
01:15:18.000 That guy's ridiculous. 1.00
01:15:19.000 How the fuck does that dude ever make 155? 1.00
01:15:22.000 That's a gorilla. 1.00
01:15:24.000 That dude's so big.
01:15:24.000 Yeah, I trade with him in American Top Team.
01:15:26.000 He's a good dude too, man.
01:15:27.000 Funny guy.
01:15:29.000 Real nice guy.
01:15:30.000 Always wants to help.
01:15:31.000 He's so big.
01:15:32.000 He looks like he's a 190 pounder.
01:15:34.000 Oh, he is.
01:15:36.000 Plus, he's two-something.
01:15:37.000 Really?
01:15:37.000 Oh, yeah.
01:15:38.000 And he gets down to 155. And when he weighs in, he's one of those guys like Yoel Romero's the same way.
01:15:43.000 When he weighs at 185, you're like, what?
01:15:45.000 Wait a minute. 1.00
01:15:46.000 Let me look at that fucking scale. 1.00
01:15:48.000 Right. 1.00
01:15:48.000 Like, how the f... 1.00
01:15:49.000 That's not 185 pounds.
01:15:51.000 It doesn't make sense.
01:15:52.000 But he'll sit in the sauna for hours on hours smiling.
01:15:57.000 Yeah?
01:15:57.000 Yeah, that's the energy he has.
01:15:58.000 He's so happy and positive.
01:16:00.000 He's never down.
01:16:02.000 Even when he's suffering, he's happy.
01:16:04.000 He loves it.
01:16:04.000 Really?
01:16:05.000 Yeah, man.
01:16:05.000 Wow.
01:16:06.000 I think he's been to Germany a bunch helping some fight team out there.
01:16:09.000 Oh, is that what he's doing now?
01:16:10.000 He's coaching guys?
01:16:11.000 He just got back to American Top Team right before I left for my fight.
01:16:14.000 Is he done fighting?
01:16:15.000 I don't know.
01:16:16.000 He was talking about going up to 170, I think.
01:16:18.000 How old is he now?
01:16:20.000 He's gotta be pushing 40, right?
01:16:23.000 37?
01:16:25.000 It's hard, man.
01:16:27.000 You know, it's a crazy sport.
01:16:29.000 You're relying on your tissue and your bones and your brain and you only have a certain amount of time.
01:16:34.000 Yeah.
01:16:35.000 And everybody's time is different.
01:16:37.000 Yeah.
01:16:37.000 That odometer.
01:16:38.000 Yeah.
01:16:39.000 Look at Yoel.
01:16:41.000 Yoel's like a Toyota.
01:16:44.000 300,000 miles on that thing.
01:16:46.000 It is like that.
01:16:47.000 It is true.
01:16:48.000 Do you have thoughts on when you're going to get out?
01:16:51.000 I always said before...
01:16:53.000 How old are you now?
01:16:55.000 32. I turned 32 in January.
01:16:57.000 I always said 35. That's a number I've been having for a while.
01:17:02.000 I thought 35. It seems like a good number. 0.73
01:17:05.000 Yeah, and I think after 35, in fighting, you're not going to get any more durable or any healthier or any more athletic.
01:17:13.000 35 is, you know.
01:17:14.000 Yeah.
01:17:15.000 And you still have a whole life ahead of you outside of fighting.
01:17:18.000 Right.
01:17:18.000 You know, like at 35, I can go to college for five years, six years, and still have a whole career after that.
01:17:23.000 Right.
01:17:23.000 So I'm just trying to, you know, be smart with it.
01:17:26.000 I have a family, but I love fighting.
01:17:28.000 I hate the process where I'm at in my career now.
01:17:31.000 I don't enjoy that at all.
01:17:32.000 What process?
01:17:33.000 But I love the process of fighting.
01:17:35.000 Cutting all the weight, doing the interviews, the fashion show that Mixed Martial Arts turned into with Instagram and social media and the call-outs and just all that hype stuff.
01:17:46.000 I don't like that stuff at all.
01:17:47.000 You seem very smart about that stuff, particularly with social media.
01:17:51.000 You don't seem to get into any weird back and forths with people.
01:17:55.000 You don't seem to be paying attention to haters.
01:17:57.000 I'll make fun of myself with the guys, you know?
01:18:00.000 Because I know that with the social media stuff, when I was younger, man, like around the Conor fight, I used to read everything and thought about every comment and stuff.
01:18:08.000 And I don't really care anymore because just over maturity, I realized that they don't know me.
01:18:13.000 So the things they're saying, it's meaningless.
01:18:17.000 It's not like...
01:18:19.000 Social media is a mirror. 1.00
01:18:20.000 Those people who are saying all that shit really don't like themselves, man. 0.99
01:18:23.000 You know, that's what I've started to realize as I got older and I just don't want to play in any part of that. 0.99
01:18:28.000 For sure.
01:18:29.000 One of the things that I've always said is greatness.
01:18:32.000 Like, if someone is truly chasing greatness in their life, they don't have time to leave comments on your page and be mean.
01:18:38.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:18:39.000 And talk about what a loser you are. 0.99
01:18:40.000 The type of people that are doing that, they're not fulfilled in their own life. 0.99
01:18:43.000 That's just the fact.
01:18:44.000 Yeah. 0.97
01:18:45.000 The type of people that are saying mean shit to a professional fighter to try to make them feel bad, they're not fulfilled. 1.00
01:18:52.000 Or maybe they're young and they're dumb. 1.00
01:18:53.000 They could be 15. Yeah. 1.00
01:18:55.000 A lot of that is. 1.00
01:18:56.000 Fuck, fuck. 1.00
01:18:57.000 Somebody gave me an Instagram account when I was 15. I'd probably say horrible shit to people. 1.00
01:19:00.000 I'm so happy it wasn't around. 0.99
01:19:02.000 Me too.
01:19:03.000 Me too. 0.99
01:19:03.000 I was so dumb. 0.99
01:19:05.000 I can only imagine. 0.96
01:19:07.000 Yeah, but it's wise that you've figured that out and that you avoid it now.
01:19:11.000 Yeah, I try my best.
01:19:12.000 When I do get on there, I honestly try to give positivity out because there's so much darkness on there, man.
01:19:17.000 Yeah.
01:19:17.000 I try to encourage guys or reply to fans.
01:19:20.000 I just try to keep it good.
01:19:22.000 The darkness and the negativity, it's...
01:19:25.000 It's so much more impactful.
01:19:28.000 That's what's so weird.
01:19:29.000 It's like if you read a hundred comments and they're great and one of them is horrible, that one is the one that sticks with you.
01:19:34.000 It doesn't get drowned out by the hundred people that love you.
01:19:37.000 That one that's so mean, you're like, whoa, this guy really hates me.
01:19:43.000 And why?
01:19:43.000 Yeah, what did I do?
01:19:45.000 But this guy doesn't know me.
01:19:46.000 He hates himself.
01:19:47.000 That's the problem.
01:19:48.000 They don't really.
01:19:49.000 And they also, they're trying to diminish what you are because what you are is what most men wish they could be.
01:19:55.000 A championship level fighter. 1.00
01:19:58.000 Most men wish they were bad motherfuckers. 0.99
01:20:00.000 You could pretend. 1.00
01:20:02.000 If you gave any hater dork that's never worked out a day in his life and you said, hey man, I'm gonna give you a pill and the pill's gonna turn you into a beast. 1.00
01:20:11.000 Like, with this pill, you'll be able to fuck people up. 1.00
01:20:14.000 You'll have all the skills. 1.00
01:20:15.000 Be able to fuck people? 1.00
01:20:17.000 Then I'll take it. 1.00
01:20:18.000 Be able to fuck people, too. 1.00
01:20:20.000 Have people actually want to fuck you. 1.00
01:20:21.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:20:22.000 They would take that pill.
01:20:23.000 Yeah, for sure.
01:20:23.000 Yeah, it's a thing where you see someone who's so much more successful than you in this most manliest of things.
01:20:31.000 You know, you're a fucking fighter. 0.99
01:20:33.000 And you see the comments. 1.00
01:20:34.000 Like, I genuinely...
01:20:38.000 Get confused when I see comments on fighters' pages after losses. 0.98
01:20:43.000 Because some people are so goddamn vicious. 0.86
01:20:46.000 Dude, what about the guy who just freaking FaceTimed somehow? 0.98
01:20:49.000 These guys are getting numbers.
01:20:51.000 They're getting our personal cell phone numbers somehow.
01:20:54.000 Because I was just in Utah on a ski trip last weekend and somebody called me and was like, is this Dustin?
01:21:00.000 I'm like, who's this?
01:21:01.000 He's like, oh my god, you're a legend. 0.99
01:21:04.000 I'm like, how the fuck do you get my number? 0.97
01:21:06.000 I'm a big fan. 0.99
01:21:07.000 Use your number to buy things or if you use your number to... 1.00
01:21:11.000 Shit leaks. 1.00
01:21:12.000 Yeah, you rent a car. 1.00
01:21:13.000 But talking about being vicious, the guy who just called Curtis Blades, you see that?
01:21:17.000 No.
01:21:17.000 Somebody FaceTimed him and he answered it.
01:21:19.000 And the guy's like, you got knocked the fuck out. 1.00
01:21:22.000 Like, just a shit fan. 1.00
01:21:23.000 And he filmed it? 1.00
01:21:25.000 I don't know how it got filmed.
01:21:26.000 Oh, the other guy must have filmed it, yeah.
01:21:27.000 Oh my god.
01:21:28.000 I just felt so bad, because I've been knocked out, and I know that spot.
01:21:30.000 I don't know where he's at mentally, but I know where you're at.
01:21:32.000 You know, where I was.
01:21:34.000 Do they know who it is, the guy who did it?
01:21:36.000 I'm not sure.
01:21:37.000 I haven't really looked into it, but I saw.
01:21:38.000 Curtis should show up with that guy's work.
01:21:39.000 Yeah.
01:21:41.000 I'll show up with him.
01:21:43.000 Yeah, right? 1.00
01:21:44.000 He can take him down, I'll punch the shit out of him. 1.00
01:21:48.000 Dude, how scary is Derrick Lewis, though? 1.00
01:21:51.000 God.
01:21:51.000 Such an athlete.
01:21:52.000 Damn. 1.00
01:21:52.000 Such an athlete. 1.00
01:21:54.000 Goddamn, he can crack. 0.99
01:21:55.000 I just saw a montage of him doing get-ups from half guard, from being down the bottom, from side control. 1.00
01:22:02.000 He just fucking puts his arm in people's armpits and sits up like, I'm getting out of here. 0.96
01:22:05.000 He's so strong. 0.99
01:22:06.000 I'm getting out of here.
01:22:07.000 Yeah.
01:22:08.000 He's had some back issues.
01:22:10.000 And I guess he's got those squared away.
01:22:13.000 Because if he's healthy, if he doesn't have any back problems, every moment you're standing with that guy is a dangerous, dangerous moment.
01:22:20.000 Yeah.
01:22:20.000 He's got that one-punch sleep power.
01:22:22.000 A man doesn't tattoo Knockout King on his chest. 1.00
01:22:26.000 Unless he's got that fucking one-sleep, one-hitter-quitter. 1.00
01:22:30.000 He's so crazy, too. 1.00
01:22:31.000 His Instagram is one of the most hilarious things online.
01:22:34.000 If you don't know, go to Derek Lewis's Instagram.
01:22:37.000 I think it's Beast UFC. What is his...
01:22:42.000 The Beast?
01:22:43.000 The Beast.
01:22:44.000 The Beast UFC, I think it is.
01:22:47.000 I forget what his...
01:22:48.000 Yeah, he has a good sense of humor.
01:22:50.000 Hilarious.
01:22:50.000 And everything is, he's okay.
01:22:52.000 Like, when dudes...
01:22:52.000 You know the guy's dead.
01:22:54.000 You know?
01:22:54.000 He's like, he's okay.
01:22:55.000 I saw the thumbs up thing. 1.00
01:22:58.000 That's so fucked up that he did that. 0.99
01:23:00.000 Oh, this one's a good one. 1.00
01:23:01.000 Yeah, the Beast UFC. This is this guy.
01:23:04.000 He throws the net and totally misses.
01:23:06.000 Look at this.
01:23:06.000 Look how terrible this is.
01:23:07.000 He's okay.
01:23:10.000 Yeah.
01:23:11.000 Look how bad this guy is.
01:23:13.000 I wonder what country that is.
01:23:17.000 Oh, a series of?
01:23:19.000 Yeah, that's what I was talking about.
01:23:20.000 Look at this.
01:23:20.000 I'm out of here.
01:23:21.000 Just lifts you up.
01:23:22.000 Boom! 0.99
01:23:24.000 He's so powerful.
01:23:26.000 And explosive.
01:23:27.000 Like when he jumps for knees or kicks, you can just tell how much. 1.00
01:23:30.000 Well, he'll throw a fucking switch kick, a left high switch kick, and you're like, holy shit. 0.99
01:23:35.000 Heavyweights aren't moving like that. 1.00
01:23:36.000 Yeah.
01:23:37.000 Look at this.
01:23:38.000 Boom! 0.99
01:23:38.000 The power he has. 0.99
01:23:40.000 My god.
01:23:41.000 And a legit 265. You know?
01:23:44.000 Like, full on.
01:23:46.000 I'll tell you what, man. 0.93
01:23:49.000 Crazy. 0.77
01:23:50.000 Just gets up.
01:23:50.000 Just gets up.
01:23:52.000 I mean, if...
01:23:52.000 Rex Kwan-Dostow.
01:23:53.000 Yeah.
01:23:54.000 If he...
01:23:55.000 If Francis Ngannou beat Stipe, and that's a big if, right?
01:23:59.000 Because Stipe...
01:24:00.000 Look, if you look at it on paper, he's the GOAT. He's...
01:24:03.000 Stipe's...
01:24:04.000 The most accomplished heavyweight of all time.
01:24:06.000 If Francis beats Stipe, and it's a big if, him versus Francis.
01:24:11.000 Derek Lewis versus the rematch.
01:24:13.000 Right.
01:24:13.000 That's a crazy fight.
01:24:15.000 Lewis won the first one.
01:24:16.000 He won the first fight.
01:24:16.000 Yeah.
01:24:17.000 But it was the most uneventful fight ever.
01:24:19.000 Yeah, not a lot happened.
01:24:20.000 Well, that's the thing about Lewis, too.
01:24:21.000 People don't give him credit.
01:24:22.000 He's patient.
01:24:24.000 He's patient.
01:24:25.000 He'll wait on...
01:24:26.000 You know, the first round with Curtis Blades, very patient.
01:24:29.000 Very patient.
01:24:30.000 Waited his moment.
01:24:31.000 And then when Blades went in for that very obvious takedown, and he stepped back and caught him with that uppercut.
01:24:37.000 That was a weird motion by Blaze, too.
01:24:39.000 He kind of changed levels without a penetration step or drive.
01:24:41.000 He kind of just changed levels and was there.
01:24:43.000 Yeah, he didn't hide it with punches.
01:24:46.000 And, you know, you just can't have any room with Derek.
01:24:50.000 You can't have any errors.
01:24:52.000 Because all he has to have is one.
01:24:53.000 Boom! 0.99
01:24:54.000 The great equalizer.
01:24:56.000 It is.
01:24:57.000 Power is the great equalizer.
01:25:00.000 Especially in the heavyweight division, right?
01:25:02.000 Four-ounce gloves.
01:25:03.000 Those...
01:25:05.000 Some fights in the heavyweight, like Francis versus Alistair Overeem.
01:25:08.000 To this day, I watch that KO and just go... 1.00
01:25:11.000 Shit. 1.00
01:25:12.000 Yeah, that's horrible. 1.00
01:25:15.000 He's had another one like that, right?
01:25:16.000 Francis?
01:25:17.000 Oh, yeah.
01:25:18.000 Rosenstreich, KO'd him horribly.
01:25:21.000 Everybody, he hits really hard, except Derek, he KOs.
01:25:26.000 I mean, he's one of the scariest...
01:25:29.000 Him and Derek are the two scariest heavyweight punchers ever.
01:25:31.000 I want to see it again. 1.00
01:25:33.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00
01:25:34.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:25:34.000 It's not going to be like the first one, I don't think. 1.00
01:25:36.000 I don't think so.
01:25:37.000 Unless both guys just respect the power so much that they're both trying to...
01:25:41.000 Well, hopefully it'll be five rounds, too.
01:25:43.000 Yeah.
01:25:43.000 And if it's for the title again, I think Derek will get himself in really good shape.
01:25:48.000 And it'll be crazy. 0.99
01:25:50.000 Who the fuck knows? 0.99
01:25:51.000 But then again, that's like a big if to get past Stipe. 0.99
01:25:55.000 I mean, Stipe's the only guy who's been able to figure out how to avoid Francis' punches and get him down.
01:26:02.000 And that's big.
01:26:03.000 And I don't know.
01:26:04.000 I mean, I know he's an extreme couture now.
01:26:06.000 I'm sure they're working on takedown defense.
01:26:08.000 I'm sure they're working on the grappling.
01:26:10.000 Have to be.
01:26:11.000 That's the biggest thing, right?
01:26:12.000 If he can keep it on the feet, he's... 1.00
01:26:14.000 Stipe's a motherfucker on the feet, too, though. 0.99
01:26:16.000 He's good everywhere! 1.00
01:26:18.000 Stipe's good everywhere, you know?
01:26:20.000 I always felt like the Cormier fight, first of all, was the perfect punch when Cormier knocked him out.
01:26:26.000 It was perfect.
01:26:26.000 He didn't see it coming, in the pocket, from the clinch.
01:26:30.000 But also, I always wondered, like, how much of that KO was him recovering from the Francis fight?
01:26:37.000 Because the Francis fight was just a few months before that, and that was a brutal five-round war.
01:26:43.000 And Francis hit him with some big shots, man.
01:26:46.000 For sure.
01:26:48.000 Every shot is a big shot.
01:26:50.000 Yeah, it's just...
01:26:51.000 What do you think is the most brutal war that you've been in?
01:26:57.000 The hooker fight was a war.
01:27:00.000 Man, that's not good for you.
01:27:02.000 Hooker fight was a war. 0.84
01:27:03.000 Korean zombie fight was a war.
01:27:05.000 Yeah.
01:27:06.000 Yeah.
01:27:07.000 That was a while back, but that was a pretty bad one.
01:27:10.000 I probably took more damage in the hooker fight. 0.99
01:27:13.000 That was a crazy back-and-forth fight.
01:27:15.000 Yeah.
01:27:16.000 But I've never had headaches or anything after those fights.
01:27:20.000 Really?
01:27:21.000 The worst head trauma that I think I've had in my career, and I've been stopped a couple times from strikes, was in Dallas when Eddie Alvarez kneed me.
01:27:32.000 Yeah?
01:27:33.000 Yeah, that's the most symptoms I've had from a headshot like that.
01:27:40.000 That was the disqualification?
01:27:42.000 Yeah.
01:27:42.000 Yeah.
01:27:43.000 And I wasn't out or anything like that, but the symptoms the next day, because my wife drove there, and we drove back to Louisiana right after the fight the next day, and I was sick, car sick, the bumps in the road, the light was messing with me.
01:27:56.000 I said, this is for sure, you know, for sure from getting hit in the head.
01:27:59.000 Right.
01:28:00.000 Yeah.
01:28:02.000 What do you plan on doing when you're done?
01:28:04.000 Do you have a plan?
01:28:06.000 Not really.
01:28:09.000 Keep growing the hot sauce.
01:28:11.000 I have an idea for a TV show that's kind of getting some traction.
01:28:15.000 I want to call it Food Fight and travel to different cities and train at gyms and then explore local restaurants because I like to cook and I'm a foodie.
01:28:21.000 I think it's a good idea.
01:28:22.000 I don't know if that's a career.
01:28:24.000 Why not?
01:28:26.000 We got to see how it goes, I guess. 1.00
01:28:28.000 Fuck, why not, man? 1.00
01:28:29.000 It sounds like a good idea to me. 1.00
01:28:31.000 No, I'm saying a success.
01:28:32.000 One season, if it doesn't do well, it's not a career.
01:28:34.000 Well, here's the thing, man.
01:28:35.000 Put it on YouTube.
01:28:36.000 Put it on YouTube, let it grow, and then sell it somewhere.
01:28:39.000 The thing about these shows is they don't give it a chance to find its place, find what it is.
01:28:44.000 And if you're doing a show like that, and you're a slave to the ratings...
01:28:50.000 If you put it up on YouTube, first of all, it's going to get an automatic audience because it's free, it's available, and it's you, and you're popular, and it's an interesting idea.
01:28:58.000 And it also doesn't have to be as structured.
01:29:00.000 When you do something for a network, there's a lot of pressure involved.
01:29:06.000 They have advertisers.
01:29:07.000 If they don't reach a certain number of ratings, a certain number of viewers, they have to cancel the show.
01:29:15.000 I've always been interested in real estate as well.
01:29:18.000 But I don't know.
01:29:19.000 I don't want to look too far at Plan B. I'm still focused on Plan A, but it's going to happen.
01:29:27.000 But do you think you're going to miss it?
01:29:29.000 Yeah.
01:29:29.000 That's the problem, right?
01:29:31.000 But if I can find some...
01:29:32.000 Because for me, Joe, I've self-evaluated myself.
01:29:36.000 And I'm a maniac, so it's probably wrong.
01:29:39.000 But I think I have to be in some kind of constant conflict.
01:29:44.000 Like whether that's preparing for a fight...
01:29:48.000 Or, you know, doing something with my foundation.
01:29:50.000 Like, I have to have a goal where I'm...
01:29:51.000 Something challenging.
01:29:52.000 Full steam in trying to get something done.
01:29:54.000 Otherwise, I'm self-destructive.
01:29:56.000 And what way?
01:29:57.000 I noticed that about myself.
01:29:58.000 I, uh... 0.97
01:30:00.000 Do dumb stuff. 0.86
01:30:01.000 I start drinking too much. 0.99
01:30:03.000 If I don't have something set for me to be working towards, I just feel like that's when I do dumb stuff.
01:30:09.000 Not huge things, but I just feel like that's where I start to get depressed.
01:30:16.000 I don't even know what to call it, but it's not a good place for me to be in.
01:30:20.000 I have to have something I'm working on.
01:30:22.000 And when I'm working on something, that's where I'm most comfortable.
01:30:24.000 So whether it's a fight, like I said, or the foundation.
01:30:27.000 I'm building a house right now.
01:30:30.000 I have to be all in on something.
01:30:33.000 It makes sense.
01:30:34.000 Some people are just built for high-pressure situations.
01:30:37.000 I have to.
01:30:38.000 And if I can find something that puts me in that position, and as much as fighting does, I'm going to be successful at that.
01:30:47.000 I don't know what that is yet, but when I find it, I'm going to be in conflict with that all the way.
01:30:51.000 And that's just going to find that, whatever that is.
01:30:54.000 But I'm still all in on fighting.
01:30:56.000 Yeah.
01:30:57.000 What do you like cooking?
01:30:59.000 Louisiana foods, gumbos, jambalayas.
01:31:01.000 I mean, I cook anything, Joe. 0.99
01:31:03.000 Damn, we need a kitchen in this place. 1.00
01:31:05.000 That's what we need. 0.99
01:31:06.000 We need to have a special...
01:31:07.000 Because there's been a bunch of people that come in and say they like cooking.
01:31:09.000 Yeah.
01:31:09.000 Have a special segment.
01:31:10.000 Right before I flew out here, I made my wife meal prep for the week. 1.00
01:31:14.000 I did a lemon butter, caper fish, you know, a kale saute and all kind of stuff.
01:31:21.000 I get down, man.
01:31:22.000 Really?
01:31:22.000 I get down in the kitchen, yeah.
01:31:23.000 Do you read books?
01:31:25.000 I watch a lot.
01:31:27.000 YouTube and stuff?
01:31:28.000 YouTube, also Food Network, just any food shows.
01:31:30.000 I've been a fan for a long, long time.
01:31:32.000 Dude, you need a food show.
01:31:34.000 Food fight.
01:31:35.000 I'm trying to do it.
01:31:35.000 I like it.
01:31:37.000 I like it.
01:31:37.000 But Louisiana food is your specialty?
01:31:40.000 Of course, yeah.
01:31:41.000 Because that's where you're from.
01:31:41.000 Creole food.
01:31:44.000 Yeah, like when you cook, are you a guy that, like, do you go to the supermarket and get all your prep in advance and you got like a shopping list and the whole deal?
01:31:54.000 Do you wear an apron?
01:31:55.000 Do you put an apron on?
01:31:56.000 No.
01:31:58.000 I do not.
01:31:59.000 What about one of them crazy hats?
01:32:00.000 If I had it, I'd wear it.
01:32:02.000 I'm not going to buy one, but I'm going to wear it.
01:32:04.000 A hat with a diamond in the middle?
01:32:06.000 There you go.
01:32:06.000 There you go.
01:32:07.000 Yeah, I get my list together, and then even when I'm cooking stuff that I don't know a whole lot about, like if I'm trying to do something new, I'll get the list, kind of read the instructions or the recipe, then I won't look at it again.
01:32:20.000 I kind of got an idea of how, okay, and then I just put my own twist on everything.
01:32:25.000 Add a little of this, a little of that.
01:32:27.000 Yeah, and I enjoy that, dude, getting all the stuff for the grocery store, going back home, prepping everything.
01:32:31.000 I enjoy that.
01:32:32.000 Do you have a specific way?
01:32:33.000 Do you like grilling?
01:32:34.000 Do you like frying things?
01:32:35.000 What's your favorite way of cooking?
01:32:37.000 I like grilling, baking stuff, but I like cooking down sauces and stuff like that.
01:32:42.000 Cooking down sauces, really?
01:32:43.000 Yeah, like meat and gravy over rice, cooking down something in a good...
01:32:50.000 So you get serious.
01:32:50.000 Oh yeah, come on, man.
01:32:51.000 You get serious.
01:32:52.000 Come on.
01:32:53.000 That's a lot of work, man.
01:32:54.000 Yeah.
01:32:55.000 That's interesting.
01:32:56.000 So you say when you do meal prep, do you do this while you're training too, or do you not have the time?
01:33:00.000 When I'm in Florida, I do all my own cooking.
01:33:02.000 Really?
01:33:03.000 Yeah.
01:33:03.000 So you don't have a meal prep company that you use?
01:33:05.000 I work with Lockhart.
01:33:06.000 He kind of gives me the pointers of my nutrition.
01:33:11.000 He helps you cut weight as well?
01:33:12.000 Mm-hmm.
01:33:13.000 Yeah.
01:33:14.000 But I cook all my own stuff.
01:33:16.000 He'll tell me, okay, you can have a four-ounce piece of salmon or something like that, and I'll just kind of prep it out for the week and keep it switched up.
01:33:24.000 So I'll cook salmon and chicken for the week, and that way I'm not eating salmon every day.
01:33:27.000 Right.
01:33:28.000 Yeah.
01:33:28.000 And when you do something like that, do you have to be careful about sodium content and content of sugar and different things that you put in your...
01:33:35.000 Sugar, for sure.
01:33:36.000 Sodium, I don't...
01:33:37.000 I use salt and stuff during training camp.
01:33:41.000 I don't limit that at all.
01:33:42.000 You sweat so much.
01:33:43.000 Yeah.
01:33:46.000 Sugar, for sure.
01:33:47.000 Sugar, I do.
01:33:50.000 Are you one of those guys that eats six meals a day?
01:33:55.000 Yeah, usually five or six.
01:33:58.000 Breakfast, a light snack, lunch, a light snack, dinner.
01:34:02.000 So you're just constantly keeping food in your body, and how many times are you training a day when you're in camp?
01:34:09.000 Usually two times, or one time with a run, or one time with a swim.
01:34:14.000 I do active recovery stuff between, and like I said, I self-regulate my camp, so if I'm feeling a little run down or something's hurting, I'll pull back, but usually two times.
01:34:22.000 And do you use anything like a whoop strap or a monitor, heart rate monitor, anything like that? 0.95
01:34:28.000 So I started using a whoop strap, and I used it for a while, and then I was like, let me take this shit off because it's messing with my head. 0.98
01:34:35.000 Really? 0.99
01:34:36.000 Because work needs to get done. 0.99
01:34:37.000 I'm waking up, I'm not ready, but fuck, I got, this guy's, I got to get ready for this fight. 0.99
01:34:42.000 So it's saying you're not recovered enough. 0.99
01:34:44.000 Yeah, I'm not recovered enough, but I got to go to the gym and work.
01:34:46.000 What am I going to do? 0.99
01:34:48.000 So that was fucking with your head? 0.99
01:34:52.000 Well, not fucking with my head, but making me say, why am I wearing this and paying this membership whenever it's saying you're not ready, but I'm fucking, I'm getting ready. 0.99
01:35:00.000 I'm packing my bags. 0.99
01:35:02.000 I am ready.
01:35:02.000 I gotta go train.
01:35:03.000 I understand.
01:35:05.000 Some guys like using it particularly to see what your resting heart rate is and to make sure it's not elevated.
01:35:11.000 Steve Maxwell once told me that if you pay attention to your resting heart rate, And if it's 10 beats above what it normally is when you wake up in the morning, he's like, take the day off. 0.92
01:35:21.000 He goes like, your body's fighting some shit off.
01:35:23.000 It's going to be a lot of days off if I do that. 0.99
01:35:24.000 I can't afford to do that.
01:35:27.000 My resting heart rate gets pretty low, like 32, 34 in camp.
01:35:31.000 Well, that was the thing.
01:35:32.000 We were talking about how you had COVID. You didn't even know it.
01:35:35.000 I just found out right now.
01:35:37.000 Before we jumped on these mics, I was like...
01:35:39.000 He's got the antibodies.
01:35:40.000 You were negative for the disease, but you had the antibodies.
01:35:43.000 So you had it and beat it, and you didn't even know.
01:35:44.000 And I fought a month ago.
01:35:46.000 And she said it was pretty recent, the way the test came out, that strong of the lines and result.
01:35:51.000 So it was pretty recent.
01:35:52.000 And my last test was fight night, or the day before the fight.
01:35:56.000 So that was exactly one month ago.
01:35:57.000 So in the last three weeks or so, I've had it.
01:35:59.000 That's crazy.
01:36:00.000 Didn't even know.
01:36:00.000 Well, when you get off of a fight like that, what is your general routine?
01:36:04.000 Do you take a couple weeks off and just chill, eat gumbo, and have margaritas?
01:36:09.000 Yeah, and I'm never really off.
01:36:12.000 I trained yesterday.
01:36:14.000 I'm never really off.
01:36:15.000 I'm always training, but I'm not...
01:36:18.000 Focus on my weight.
01:36:19.000 I'm not running miles.
01:36:20.000 I'll run here and there.
01:36:21.000 But I eat.
01:36:22.000 Eat and drink whiskey, dude.
01:36:23.000 I'm from Louisiana.
01:36:25.000 I like it.
01:36:26.000 I like it.
01:36:27.000 So, I know they're talking about Conor again.
01:36:30.000 What has the UFC brought up to you?
01:36:33.000 What has the conversation been like?
01:36:35.000 So, Conor wants the trilogy.
01:36:36.000 And I do, too.
01:36:36.000 If they want to do it, let's do it.
01:36:37.000 Well, that's where the loot is.
01:36:39.000 Right?
01:36:39.000 That's where the loot is.
01:36:40.000 And that's pretty much it.
01:36:41.000 We're just trying to get the right deal structured.
01:36:43.000 You know, this is going to be a big fight.
01:36:45.000 Oh, my God.
01:36:46.000 He knocked me out.
01:36:47.000 I knocked him out.
01:36:48.000 Yeah, this would be one of the biggest fights ever.
01:36:50.000 The trilogy.
01:36:51.000 Yeah.
01:36:51.000 For sure, one of the biggest fights this year, but maybe of all time.
01:36:56.000 Yeah, it could easily be one of the biggest fights of all time.
01:36:59.000 Just the hype machine behind Connors.
01:37:01.000 He's got such a cult of personality behind him.
01:37:03.000 He's such a powerful person.
01:37:06.000 Yeah, and I know Mayweather stopped him, but he's never been stopped.
01:37:10.000 It was a different kind of stoppage.
01:37:12.000 It was an exhaustion and overwhelmed with punches.
01:37:15.000 No, you wrecked him.
01:37:17.000 Stopped him.
01:37:17.000 Yeah.
01:37:18.000 No ifs, ands, or buts.
01:37:20.000 Yeah, he was out.
01:37:21.000 Yeah, when you stepped in and hit him with that big right hook, it was like, whoa!
01:37:24.000 And when you dropped and then you put him away, that's it.
01:37:27.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about that.
01:37:29.000 Yeah, and when he went down, I got one more shot off that was a good one.
01:37:32.000 He was out, you know?
01:37:33.000 Yeah, you could see it.
01:37:34.000 So I think the trilogy makes a lot of sense and a lot of money.
01:37:38.000 So we're just trying to get the right deal structured and see what the time frame is.
01:37:41.000 Because for Connor, for a guy like Connor, you want fans in there, even if it's limited.
01:37:45.000 And right now, at the apex where they're set up in America, there's obviously no fans.
01:37:49.000 So where do you do that at?
01:37:51.000 Florida, baby!
01:37:52.000 What's the time frame?
01:37:52.000 Yeah.
01:37:52.000 Florida doesn't give a fuck.
01:37:54.000 Do it like three blocks away from an American top team. 0.99
01:37:56.000 Let's do it. 0.99
01:37:57.000 Like, they don't give a fuck. 1.00
01:37:58.000 You could do it in a goddamn arena in Florida. 1.00
01:38:00.000 Well, Canelo's fighting there, right? 1.00
01:38:02.000 He's fighting this weekend.
01:38:03.000 Is he fighting in an arena?
01:38:05.000 I think he's fighting in the...
01:38:06.000 A stadium?
01:38:07.000 Packed, probably, right?
01:38:08.000 I don't know.
01:38:08.000 Packed!
01:38:09.000 I don't know what the limit is. 1.00
01:38:10.000 They don't have a fucking limit. 1.00
01:38:11.000 It's Florida. 0.99
01:38:12.000 But Dana's saying...
01:38:13.000 Well, it'd be interesting because Dana's saying he doesn't want to do it in a stadium or arena unless he can fully sell tickets or whatever.
01:38:19.000 Yeah.
01:38:19.000 We just went to Abu Dhabi, so I'm thinking if me and Connor did have the trilogy, it might be in Abu Dhabi because they're allowed limited ticket sales or whatever.
01:38:27.000 Just do it in Miami. 0.99
01:38:28.000 I mean, fuck. 1.00
01:38:29.000 I train on the street. 1.00
01:38:30.000 I'll drive there.
01:38:30.000 That's what I'm saying.
01:38:31.000 They can do it. 1.00
01:38:32.000 That governor doesn't give a fuck. 1.00
01:38:35.000 So it's either going to be that or Nate Diaz, I think. 1.00
01:38:38.000 Mmm.
01:38:38.000 Now, how much time, if you want to be honest, how much time does a man need after a knockout like that?
01:38:47.000 Like, I was hearing that they were talking about Conor fighting you again in May or June, and I was like, that seems crazy to me.
01:38:55.000 It does.
01:38:56.000 Yeah.
01:38:57.000 I don't know.
01:38:58.000 Every man is different, right?
01:38:59.000 What are they saying to you in terms of like when they want to schedule a fight?
01:39:03.000 So they haven't gave me a date.
01:39:04.000 Okay.
01:39:05.000 They haven't gave me a date.
01:39:06.000 Do they ask you like when, how much time you need?
01:39:10.000 What is the conversation like when something like this happens?
01:39:12.000 So I don't directly talk to them.
01:39:14.000 You have a manager.
01:39:14.000 Yeah.
01:39:14.000 Who's your manager?
01:39:15.000 They talk to my manager, Rob Rovetta.
01:39:18.000 And so?
01:39:19.000 And a guy named Wayne.
01:39:21.000 They kind of, we've kind of Try to put ourselves in the best position to sit at the table with them and have a legit conversation about getting this fight booked.
01:39:32.000 Like I said, we're trying to structure the right deal.
01:39:34.000 When it happens, I think the fight will be on.
01:39:36.000 Until then, we'll see.
01:39:38.000 So, because when I heard June or July, I was like, that just seems so soon.
01:39:45.000 That seems so soon for a bad KO like that.
01:39:48.000 Like a legit out cold KO. That's a concussion.
01:39:51.000 I mean, that's brain trauma.
01:39:53.000 You would think you want six months after something like that.
01:39:57.000 How often do you like to fight?
01:40:00.000 Especially now that you don't have the injury anymore and you're healed up from that and you're riding high right now.
01:40:05.000 Would you prefer maybe get the Nate Diaz fight in first?
01:40:09.000 No, because I think the longer removed from this last fight with me and Conor, the further we remove and it just takes away from the heat behind it.
01:40:19.000 I agree.
01:40:21.000 I think the only problem is that's the fight for the title.
01:40:26.000 You are, in my eyes, if Khabib steps down, you're the uncrowned champ.
01:40:31.000 So...
01:40:32.000 In true Thug Jitsu fashion.
01:40:33.000 Shout out to Eve Edwards. 1.00
01:40:35.000 I'm the only other guy that ever fight in the UFC under the Thug Jitsu banner.
01:40:38.000 And he was the uncrowned world champion.
01:40:41.000 Yeah, he was.
01:40:41.000 He was.
01:40:42.000 Yeah, when he knocked out Josh Thompson.
01:40:43.000 Yeah.
01:40:43.000 So I'm keeping Thug Jitsu alive.
01:40:45.000 All right, beautiful.
01:40:45.000 I love Eve.
01:40:49.000 This...
01:40:51.000 You're there for the real title, though, too. 0.99
01:40:53.000 And I want to know what the fuck is going to happen. 0.64
01:40:56.000 I really want to know if Khabib is going to step down, you should be the guy fighting for the title. 0.96
01:41:01.000 No ifs, ands, or buts.
01:41:02.000 Do you think it makes sense, though, for you to be fighting Conor for the title?
01:41:06.000 No.
01:41:07.000 I don't think so.
01:41:08.000 Do you think it should be Oliveira?
01:41:13.000 Conor's been away so long.
01:41:14.000 His last two fights at 155, he's lost.
01:41:17.000 So you can't put him in there for a title fight.
01:41:18.000 Right.
01:41:19.000 How could you justify doing that when you have guys like Oliveira?
01:41:23.000 But if Khabib retires and they say, hey, this is for all the marbles, you're not going to say no.
01:41:29.000 What are you going to say?
01:41:30.000 You're going to say, I'm a purist.
01:41:33.000 What are you gonna say?
01:41:34.000 I don't know.
01:41:34.000 If Dana pulls you aside, he goes, it doesn't have to make sense.
01:41:38.000 Of course.
01:41:39.000 Let's make some money.
01:41:40.000 Yeah.
01:41:40.000 We're fighting for the belt.
01:41:41.000 Yeah, you have to fight for the belt.
01:41:43.000 Yeah.
01:41:45.000 We'll see what happens, man.
01:41:46.000 I think it's going to be something soon, because we've got to keep it moving.
01:41:48.000 They're not going to sit forever chasing Khabib, and the division has to move on. 0.98
01:41:53.000 It is interesting that in the time where that low calf kick is coming to prominence, and this is also the time when Conor started moving away from the sport, took time off, fought boxing, then came back and had the fight with Khabib,
01:42:08.000 and then came back and had the fight with Cowboy. 0.96
01:42:10.000 The calf kick was never in play in any of his fights.
01:42:13.000 But if you look at him stylistically, and this is one of the things, I love DC's detail that he does on ESPN. It's amazing.
01:42:20.000 But when he broke down Conor's heavy weight on the right leg, he leans in like this all the time.
01:42:27.000 He puts a lot of weight on that right leg.
01:42:29.000 When he paused in that southpaw stance, and because you fight southpaw a lot as well, it just opens up that kick so big.
01:42:36.000 It's such a big weapon.
01:42:38.000 And sometimes, like you said, that wide stance as well, it's just hard to check the kick from that wide stance.
01:42:45.000 Well, it's a crazy stance for everything other than calf kicks.
01:42:49.000 It's a great stance.
01:42:50.000 I mean, he's so good at moving in and covering distance with that stance.
01:42:55.000 It's very karate-like.
01:42:56.000 Great countering.
01:42:57.000 Like you see in karate, bounce back and forth to boom, attack.
01:43:00.000 And he has a hell of a left hand where he's knocked out a bunch of guys with that counter, with that pull too.
01:43:06.000 And that's what we worked on a lot that training camp with my boxing coach.
01:43:09.000 Daya Davis is that pull too. 0.87
01:43:11.000 Baiting him in to throw the pull too. 1.00
01:43:13.000 Yeah, the one time when you caught him several times, but one time when you caught him with that counter right hook and you pointed at him, you're like, ah, got you, bitch. 1.00
01:43:22.000 Yeah, that felt good. 0.97
01:43:24.000 I just felt like I was kind of grabbing the wheel and starting to let him understand, oh, this guy's changed.
01:43:30.000 This isn't the same fight.
01:43:32.000 DC also broke down at the end of the first round.
01:43:36.000 You kind of gently punched him in the stomach.
01:43:39.000 Just gently.
01:43:39.000 Like, hey man, good round.
01:43:41.000 Good game, buddy.
01:43:41.000 Good round.
01:43:42.000 There was a little gamesmanship going on there.
01:43:46.000 I didn't do it in the moment.
01:43:47.000 I didn't do it like...
01:43:48.000 Like you're thinking about it?
01:43:49.000 Yeah, it just happened.
01:43:50.000 It was just natural?
01:43:51.000 Yeah.
01:43:51.000 What did you say to him at the end of the first round?
01:43:54.000 You said something.
01:43:55.000 When we were hitting each other with the shoulders, I was having fun asking him.
01:44:00.000 I think I told him, how'd you like that clavicle?
01:44:02.000 Just messing around.
01:44:04.000 You know?
01:44:05.000 That's a funny thing.
01:44:06.000 How'd you like that clavicle?
01:44:06.000 How'd you like that clavicle?
01:44:08.000 Has anybody ever said that in life? 0.93
01:44:09.000 That might be the first time a human being has said, how'd you like that clavicle?
01:44:13.000 I delivered one.
01:44:14.000 I think that's probably...
01:44:16.000 He got me back better though.
01:44:16.000 You think of all the sentences that people have said throughout history?
01:44:19.000 How'd you like that clavicle?
01:44:20.000 Yeah, there might be like two or three other humans that have ever lived that have said those words together.
01:44:25.000 How did you like that clavicle?
01:44:27.000 Right?
01:44:28.000 Yeah, that's not a phrase you use often.
01:44:32.000 Very uncommon phrase.
01:44:33.000 How'd you like that clavicle?
01:44:37.000 Oh, man.
01:44:38.000 Then he started cracking me with him.
01:44:39.000 Yeah.
01:44:41.000 He had more pop on his, for sure.
01:44:42.000 The cowboy fight, that was bananas.
01:44:44.000 He was able to do that kind of damage.
01:44:46.000 Yeah.
01:44:46.000 Broke his nose, maybe?
01:44:47.000 Yeah, for sure.
01:44:48.000 I mean, he was bleeding out of the nose right away.
01:44:50.000 That was nuts.
01:44:51.000 A lot of people didn't even understand what was happening.
01:44:53.000 I wonder why, because when he started hitting me with them, I just naturally felt like I just put my head on the other side.
01:44:58.000 Yeah, here it is.
01:45:05.000 It's obviously something that he's practiced.
01:45:08.000 Yeah.
01:45:08.000 One of the things about this fight is you look like the bigger guy.
01:45:12.000 I'm pretty sure I weighed more than him.
01:45:16.000 Yeah, you looked like it.
01:45:17.000 You looked more muscular.
01:45:19.000 He's muscular, but his waist is small.
01:45:22.000 He's just built different.
01:45:24.000 I'll probably walk around heavier than him.
01:45:27.000 Do you feel like now, after that first fight, that you got his number?
01:45:30.000 Or after the second fight?
01:45:32.000 It's fighting, man.
01:45:33.000 I don't think you ever really...
01:45:35.000 He'll make adjustments.
01:45:37.000 Yeah, he'll make adjustments.
01:45:38.000 It'll be a completely different fight.
01:45:39.000 Like, the first one and the second was different.
01:45:40.000 The third one's gonna be different as well.
01:45:42.000 Because I'm gonna make adjustments as well.
01:45:43.000 I gotta switch it up and keep things fresh and keep him guessing.
01:45:48.000 Yeah.
01:45:49.000 Now, ideally, when would you like the rematch?
01:45:55.000 June, July.
01:45:56.000 June, July.
01:45:57.000 Because I'm still, my wife's birthday's coming up, so we're going to go somewhere for a couple days.
01:46:02.000 Like, I'm still not, I will if I get the call and it's time to go to work, I will lock myself in training camp.
01:46:09.000 But I'm still not right now ready to just go back to Florida a month removed from the last fight and then lock down for another 10 weeks or whatever it is.
01:46:17.000 So we'll see.
01:46:18.000 If they call, I will do it, but I'd rather it be a little bit further.
01:46:21.000 Let me enjoy my life back home in Louisiana before I go right back out to Florida.
01:46:25.000 So if they call you and say, May, you will be doing it, but you'd rather June or July?
01:46:29.000 Yeah, I'll do it anytime.
01:46:30.000 I would be really shocked if they decided to do it in May.
01:46:33.000 Just that close after that KO, I just don't think that's wise.
01:46:37.000 Yeah, it is soon.
01:46:39.000 Yeah.
01:46:40.000 And obviously, I mean, honestly, it's not a lot of time to adjust and work on what he needs to work on for the calf kick or what I want to switch up, you know?
01:46:49.000 We're just right back in camp getting ready to fight.
01:46:51.000 We're not really...
01:46:53.000 Evolving outside of training camp.
01:46:55.000 For me, I learned things in training camp because it's just constant every day under pressure.
01:46:59.000 But it's the time between camps.
01:47:01.000 Like right now when I'm in the gym having fun, rolling and doing light kickboxing drills with my friends where I feel like the big gains are made when I'm having fun.
01:47:10.000 Because I'm kind of tunnel vision in training camp.
01:47:13.000 I'm showing up, all right, let's wrestle.
01:47:14.000 I'm not having fun and exploring different things.
01:47:17.000 So in between camps, that's when you're loose and you experiment and learn things?
01:47:22.000 Yeah, trying stuff I wouldn't normally do.
01:47:24.000 Yeah.
01:47:25.000 And do you ever find yourself doing stuff like that and then applying those in fights?
01:47:30.000 For sure.
01:47:30.000 Yeah?
01:47:31.000 Oh yeah, for sure.
01:47:32.000 All the time.
01:47:33.000 And I don't even think about it.
01:47:34.000 Like in the Dan Hooker fight, against the fence, having fun, messing with my guys, I always chop them with the inside of my hand, like from a clinch position.
01:47:41.000 Mm-hmm.
01:47:42.000 And I did it in the fight.
01:47:43.000 Didn't even think about it.
01:47:44.000 It just happened.
01:47:44.000 But that's from just having fun and, you know, fighting.
01:47:48.000 Now, when you look at your career, you've had this amazing career so far, and you're talking about maybe retiring somewhere around 35. Do you have specific milestones?
01:47:58.000 Like, I know you said you want to fight at 170. Do you have specific fighters in mind that you would like to fight both in lightweight and maybe in welterweight?
01:48:09.000 For sure, Diaz and welterweight.
01:48:11.000 Welterweight for him?
01:48:12.000 Yeah.
01:48:13.000 Other than that, I don't have any...
01:48:14.000 I mean, I fought them all.
01:48:16.000 I fought them all.
01:48:17.000 When Eddie was in the UFC, he was a guy I really wanted to fight.
01:48:20.000 Because I've watched him for so long.
01:48:21.000 I watched him back in...
01:48:24.000 When he was fighting in Japan, you know, I don't think it was Dream.
01:48:27.000 You know, he's had these crazy fights with Hellboy Hanson and stuff when I was a younger fighter watching this guy and like just blown.
01:48:33.000 I forgot about Hellboy Hanson.
01:48:35.000 Hell of a fighter, Southpaw, just always entertaining fights ahead of his time.
01:48:39.000 Yeah.
01:48:40.000 Wild dude. 0.98
01:48:41.000 Yeah, but like watching Eddie when I was younger, watching Eddie fight him and then being in a place in my career where Eddie was in the UFC in the same division, I'm like, fuck, this could happen. 0.96
01:48:51.000 You know, because I'm a fan of the sport as well. 0.83
01:48:54.000 And I know those are fun matchups.
01:48:56.000 Same with the Nate fight.
01:48:58.000 Now there's been a lot of talk about Chandler because of his big opening fight in the UFC. He's got this spectacular knockout of Hooker.
01:49:05.000 There's a lot of talk about him fighting for the title soon.
01:49:08.000 Do you think that when a guy comes in from another organization like that and just immediately jumps up to the top of the heap, obviously he earned a lot of respect with that Hooker knockout, but do you think it makes sense for him to fight for a title really quickly when there's all these guys like Justin,
01:49:23.000 like you, like Charles Olivera in particular, that have had to pay their dues?
01:49:28.000 Dude, I'm not in a position to call it, but I just feel like he needs to cut...
01:49:32.000 And I respect the guy, and he's a great fighter, but he just needs to cut his teeth in the UFC a little bit more, a little bit longer.
01:49:38.000 Do you think that, for a marketing standpoint, to make a big-name fight for you and him, or...
01:49:44.000 Let's say they do Conor and you for the title, and you win, you got the title, and then they say, next up for you is Michael Chandler.
01:49:52.000 Do you think that makes sense, or do you think Chandler's got a...
01:49:56.000 Get a resume in the UFC first.
01:49:58.000 If he goes and beats Olivera and me and Conor fight, then it makes sense.
01:50:03.000 Yeah.
01:50:03.000 You beat two guys in the top five, top ten.
01:50:07.000 One guy's a fight away from a title shot.
01:50:09.000 I think that makes sense.
01:50:11.000 But you're coming in right now where he's at and beating a guy who's coming off of a loss.
01:50:16.000 I didn't finish him, but I beat him.
01:50:18.000 So you beat a guy who's coming off of a loss and then you're going to jump into a title fight.
01:50:21.000 I just think there's...
01:50:23.000 Higher ranked guys coming off of wins that put you in that position.
01:50:28.000 So when you look at guys outside of Conor, the guys that are interesting to you are Nate and Oliveira?
01:50:35.000 Oliveira for the title.
01:50:36.000 And just, you know, the hard style to figure out is just so good, man.
01:50:40.000 Everything's good with that guy.
01:50:41.000 Yeah, stand-up is as well.
01:50:43.000 Super technical.
01:50:43.000 Yeah, those are three fights that in my head I think about, but I'm sure there's a bunch of fights, fun fights that could happen.
01:50:50.000 But those three are the ones I think are possibilities of what's next.
01:50:53.000 And when you say one day you want to fight at 170, do you think that's when you're 34?
01:50:59.000 Do you think you're going to finish your career at 170?
01:51:01.000 I think I'll be able to finish my career at 55, but I'm interested in going to 70, see how I feel.
01:51:07.000 And Nate's at 170. He said he's not fighting 55, so that's a little bit more motivation to go up there.
01:51:12.000 And it'd be cool to say, you know, at the end of my career that I fought in three different weight classes in the UFC. But I can maintain 55 for the rest of my career.
01:51:22.000 Now, do you think that you'll maintain a gym when you're gone and when you're out of the sport?
01:51:27.000 Do you think you'll coach?
01:51:29.000 Right now, where I'm at, that's not a passion of mine.
01:51:33.000 Not for people who don't know how to fight.
01:51:35.000 It's a passion for fighters, but you can't just have a fighters-only gym and make money.
01:51:41.000 You have to be established and then maybe build a team.
01:51:44.000 But I'm very passionate about helping that, talking and training and helping younger fighters who know about fighting.
01:51:50.000 But to start on a blank slate and teach the kids and teach people who don't know how to fight, that's not a passion of mine.
01:51:56.000 I'd love to be around the sport forever.
01:51:58.000 Like you said, what am I doing next?
01:51:59.000 I would love to commentate or get an opportunity to sit up at a desk and see how I do there.
01:52:04.000 You would be great at it.
01:52:05.000 Have they ever talked to you about it?
01:52:06.000 No.
01:52:07.000 Actually, yeah.
01:52:08.000 I got a story for that one.
01:52:10.000 I never even told anybody this, but when Paul Felder got his shot, he started on Dana White's Contender Series or looking for a fight.
01:52:21.000 He was one of the guys on there.
01:52:23.000 That's where he started.
01:52:24.000 I'm pretty sure that they offered me that spot to come in and give it a test run.
01:52:29.000 But I have a buddy of mine named Tim Metcalf who owns a couple restaurants.
01:52:33.000 He's just a good buddy of mine who was fighting a kickboxing fight.
01:52:36.000 He's 50-something years old just for charity and for fun.
01:52:39.000 And I told him I was going to corner him.
01:52:41.000 And I'd already told him I was going to corner him before the UFC called and offered me this sit-in gig as a commentator to see how I did.
01:52:48.000 And I think Paul Felder took it.
01:52:51.000 But you could do it still.
01:52:53.000 They haven't called back and offered me anything.
01:52:56.000 They will.
01:52:57.000 I think one of the cool things about the UFC is they do take guys like Dominick Cruz, take guys like DC, Paul Felder, and they give them careers as commentators, and I think they're the best commentators. 0.77
01:53:08.000 Dominick Cruz is fucking fantastic.
01:53:10.000 He's so good at breaking things down, and so is DC. And DC and I, when we do commentary, have more fun with that dude. 0.98
01:53:17.000 It's just all fun.
01:53:18.000 We're always having a great time.
01:53:21.000 Speaking the same language.
01:53:24.000 I would love for the opportunity like that just to see how I do.
01:53:28.000 So that would be some way you would stay in the sport?
01:53:30.000 Yeah, because I'm never going to be away from the sport, disconnected from it.
01:53:36.000 I'm going to be part of this sport until I die.
01:53:38.000 It's given me everything I have.
01:53:42.000 It's taught me a lot about myself.
01:53:43.000 It's put me in rooms with people like you sitting here.
01:53:48.000 I've learned so much through fighting that I want to give that back and be part of it as long as I can.
01:53:54.000 Do you feel now like you have a responsibility to be a role model or an example to young up-and-coming fighters?
01:54:05.000 Not... 0.62
01:54:06.000 Because I used to do dumb stuff, man, all the time. 0.95
01:54:10.000 Maybe there's an example. 0.97
01:54:12.000 I'm flawed.
01:54:12.000 Yeah, but you're still very successful.
01:54:14.000 But in fighting, I feel like I have a lot to teach young fighters.
01:54:21.000 Yeah.
01:54:22.000 Just from bouncing back, from evolving, from staying true to the path and understanding yourself and finding out about yourself through...
01:54:31.000 Through the struggles of fighting, the good and the bad, I think I can help.
01:54:34.000 And I do that back home.
01:54:35.000 I have a lot of buddies who I talk to, and when they lose, I talk to them about my losses and just other things.
01:54:41.000 I have a lot to give, and I've learned a lot through fighting.
01:54:44.000 And I would love to shed some light on that with people and continue to do that.
01:54:49.000 But outside of fighting, I'm doing some awesome things with my foundation I'm very proud of, but I'm not trying to be a role model or anything like that outside of fighting.
01:55:00.000 Bouncing back from losses and teaching a fighter how to do that by the example of you bouncing back from losses I think is gigantic because it's one of the most devastating things for a fighter.
01:55:10.000 You train for weeks or months and then you have this big moment and then before you know it, it's over and you've lost or maybe you got stopped and then you have to figure out how to rebuild.
01:55:21.000 What's been the most difficult fight for you to bounce back from?
01:55:26.000 The first Conor McGregor loss was a big one, but my loss to Michael Johnson was painful, man.
01:55:31.000 Was that painful because you had already moved up to 55 and you had found the best weight class?
01:55:38.000 Yeah, and I started establishing myself.
01:55:39.000 I was on a streak, and I was just so confident I was going to win that fight.
01:55:44.000 And then to get stopped, that one just hurt because I had just built myself back up in a different weight class.
01:55:51.000 The Conor thing, when I lost to Conor at 45, the goal was to stay at 45 and be the world champ, or at least fight for the belt before I moved up.
01:55:58.000 But me and my coaches always knew that I had to move up.
01:56:00.000 I was just getting too heavy, and it was hurting me too much.
01:56:02.000 So when I lost to Conor, I realized I got two or three more fights to put myself back in that title position and we just can't do it.
01:56:08.000 So we went up to 55 and I kind of re-established myself and I got a streak going.
01:56:12.000 I don't know how many fights it was, but I beat some good guys and I went on a run and then I lost and it just put me back in that down on myself position that I was when I lost to Conor.
01:56:23.000 When you go back and look at the Johnson fight, is there anything that stands out that you did wrong?
01:56:28.000 Or anything that stands out in camp that you did wrong?
01:56:33.000 Like we talked about earlier, being in position when receiving a shot.
01:56:36.000 I was throwing an uppercut.
01:56:38.000 My feet weren't connected to the ground.
01:56:39.000 My chin was in the air.
01:56:40.000 And he spun my head.
01:56:42.000 He spun my brain with a good shot.
01:56:44.000 After that fight, I started being defensively responsible.
01:56:47.000 That was my goal.
01:56:48.000 Offense is there.
01:56:49.000 I know how to hurt people.
01:56:51.000 Now let me learn how to preserve myself and how to let the fights unfold and not just come out.
01:56:57.000 Because before I would come out like a drag racer.
01:57:00.000 I would just foot on the gas.
01:57:01.000 I'm going out or you're going out.
01:57:02.000 And it works most of the time.
01:57:05.000 But then sometimes it doesn't.
01:57:06.000 It's like flipping a coin.
01:57:07.000 And I just wanted to use my skills because I know I have all the attributes and the knowledge and understanding of breaking guys down and being a smart fighter and putting great performances together.
01:57:17.000 It's just to pull back the maniac inside and not step on the gas early.
01:57:22.000 And I think that fight really made me start worrying and focusing on defense.
01:57:27.000 Do you think in some ways that fight was actually important for your future?
01:57:30.000 They all are.
01:57:31.000 Everyone.
01:57:32.000 Everyone.
01:57:33.000 Every loss, every win.
01:57:34.000 It teaches you something different.
01:57:37.000 And that one was a huge one for being defensively responsible, like I said, for protecting myself in there.
01:57:42.000 And not that I didn't think before.
01:57:44.000 I know I'm a man.
01:57:45.000 I know I can go down.
01:57:45.000 You know, I've lost before that fight.
01:57:47.000 But it just really, really made me think about the longevity of fighting and protecting myself.
01:57:54.000 Yeah, that was...
01:57:56.000 About three years ago?
01:57:58.000 Four years ago?
01:57:59.000 Maybe 2015. Was it?
01:58:01.000 It was a while.
01:58:02.000 Maybe 2016 at the latest.
01:58:05.000 And, you know, when you see Michael Johnson is a very underrated fighter.
01:58:09.000 I mean, that war that he got in with Justin Gaethje, he had Justin in all kinds of trouble.
01:58:14.000 I was cage-side for that one, dude.
01:58:16.000 That was wild.
01:58:17.000 That was wild.
01:58:18.000 And Justin has kind of adjusted his style as well.
01:58:21.000 He used to be this guy that goes like a drag racer as well.
01:58:25.000 But then you saw the Ferguson fight.
01:58:26.000 He's really stepped away from that and was far more effective.
01:58:30.000 Just a lot more feints, a lot more movement, and looks for his moments.
01:58:35.000 The fight that he had with you was drag racing, right?
01:58:39.000 Yeah.
01:58:40.000 And I think kind of calming down and patience helped me in that fight in the later rounds, you know.
01:58:47.000 But that's another fight where my leg got torn up.
01:58:49.000 He partially tore my quad.
01:58:50.000 Really?
01:58:51.000 Yeah.
01:58:51.000 Jesus Christ.
01:58:53.000 He partially tore my quad.
01:58:54.000 Yeah.
01:58:57.000 Just from the leg kicks?
01:58:58.000 From inside leg kicks.
01:58:58.000 What do you do to recover from that?
01:59:00.000 I did a lot of physical therapy.
01:59:01.000 Surgery wasn't needed.
01:59:02.000 But dude, like right now, if I pick my leg up, you know how when you tear your bicep, it slides up?
01:59:06.000 So right now, when I do that on my leg, I have this big knot that slides up my thigh.
01:59:10.000 Really?
01:59:10.000 With the motion on my leg, yeah.
01:59:12.000 Just from his shins? 0.99
01:59:13.000 Yeah, I guess like one of the muscles slid up. 1.00
01:59:16.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
01:59:18.000 That's crazy. 1.00
01:59:19.000 Yeah.
01:59:20.000 But it doesn't bother me at all.
01:59:21.000 Oh.
01:59:22.000 Not now.
01:59:22.000 I mean, it did.
01:59:23.000 Were they thinking about the surgery?
01:59:25.000 No, it was never even an option.
01:59:26.000 Oh, okay.
01:59:27.000 Yeah.
01:59:28.000 A lot of physical therapy.
01:59:29.000 The big thing was getting a range of motion. 0.97
01:59:31.000 My heel to my butt. 0.73
01:59:32.000 Anytime I would pull on my heel to my butt, it felt like my leg was ripping. 0.75
01:59:36.000 My thigh was just so much pain.
01:59:37.000 So that was hard to get the range of motion back.
01:59:40.000 That dude can throw leg kicks from the weirdest positions.
01:59:43.000 He could be in a collar tie and he'll hit you with a leg kick.
01:59:46.000 Nobody does that.
01:59:48.000 Must have really flexible hips to do that, right? 0.87
01:59:50.000 To whip it that close.
01:59:51.000 And with reckless abandonment for his own health.
01:59:57.000 Especially inside leg kicks are easy to check and very devastating when they do get checked.
02:00:02.000 And he just doesn't care.
02:00:04.000 No, he's a wild dude.
02:00:04.000 He doesn't even set it up.
02:00:05.000 He'll just throw kicks by themselves.
02:00:07.000 He kind of established what he was going to do before he ever got to the UFC. He's like, I'm going to get knocked out.
02:00:11.000 He's like, I'm going to be the most exciting fighter in the sport.
02:00:15.000 And I'm going to win some.
02:00:16.000 And when I lose, I'm going to get knocked out.
02:00:18.000 Like, wow. 1.00
02:00:20.000 Who the fuck says that? 1.00
02:00:21.000 A maniac. 1.00
02:00:22.000 I'm tuning in when he fights every time. 1.00
02:00:23.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00
02:00:25.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00
02:00:26.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:00:26.000 And that's a possibility too. 1.00
02:00:27.000 You know, if he gets some wins in, we could fight again, me and him.
02:00:30.000 Yeah, for sure.
02:00:31.000 Yeah.
02:00:32.000 I mean, without a doubt.
02:00:33.000 I mean, his fight with Khabib was very interesting.
02:00:37.000 In the moments when they were standing, it was very interesting.
02:00:40.000 It was interesting watching how much pressure Khabib is putting on him.
02:00:43.000 Because you never see Dustin moving that much, just trying to get away from him, chopping at the legs.
02:00:48.000 But he was having some success with that leg kick.
02:00:51.000 It looked like the pressure too gassed Justin a little bit.
02:00:53.000 Yeah.
02:00:53.000 Like, I thought he looked winded early in that fight.
02:00:55.000 It could be the pressure of the fight.
02:00:57.000 It could be the pressure of the movement.
02:00:58.000 It could be...
02:00:59.000 I mean, he can't breathe out of his nose.
02:01:00.000 I mean, you hear him talk.
02:01:01.000 He's talking like this. 0.99
02:01:02.000 There's no fucking way that nose works. 0.99
02:01:04.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:01:05.000 I mean, he has to breathe out of his mouth.
02:01:07.000 And I talked to him about that.
02:01:08.000 He's like, you know, when he's done fighting, he'll get that fixed.
02:01:10.000 But not until then.
02:01:11.000 But I feel like for fighters, not being able to breathe out of your nose is such a huge disadvantage.
02:01:17.000 You know?
02:01:18.000 Even to this day, my right nostril is blocked.
02:01:22.000 Even after two surgeries.
02:01:23.000 Really?
02:01:24.000 Just get in there and poke around, clean it out like they did your hip?
02:01:27.000 I have to pull my skin on my face to let the air pass.
02:01:30.000 Really?
02:01:33.000 Oh, Jesus.
02:01:34.000 I don't know what's going on with that.
02:01:36.000 Not good.
02:01:36.000 Not good.
02:01:37.000 It's not COVID for sure.
02:01:38.000 It's not COVID yet.
02:01:40.000 They checked.
02:01:41.000 Yeah, it's...
02:01:42.000 Dude, I think Justin and Chandler is a great fight. 1.00
02:01:45.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00
02:01:46.000 That's what I would make. 1.00
02:01:47.000 I think that is the fight to make.
02:01:49.000 And Justin's one fight removed, you know, that'll be the next fight from a title fight.
02:01:52.000 Yeah.
02:01:53.000 If Chandler wins, then, you know...
02:01:56.000 As a purist, what I would like to see is you and Oliveira for the title.
02:02:00.000 As a person who wants to see you make a fuckload of money, I want to see a rematch with Conor.
02:02:05.000 That's what I want to see.
02:02:07.000 July 4th weekend.
02:02:08.000 Woo! 0.99
02:02:09.000 Fans.
02:02:10.000 Come on.
02:02:11.000 In Florida.
02:02:12.000 Just COVID everywhere. 1.00
02:02:13.000 Who gives a fuck? 0.99
02:02:14.000 By then, maybe everybody will be vaccinated. 0.99
02:02:16.000 I bet Ireland to Miami is an easy flight.
02:02:20.000 Quick shot.
02:02:20.000 Five hour flight.
02:02:22.000 He'll go over in his boat.
02:02:23.000 Let's go.
02:02:24.000 Yeah.
02:02:24.000 Call Dana up.
02:02:25.000 Just have people cooking for him and shit. 1.00
02:02:27.000 Meditating on the dock. 1.00
02:02:29.000 Yeah, pulling in his boat.
02:02:32.000 Yeah, I think that's the fight for money.
02:02:35.000 I mean, if you want to be wise.
02:02:37.000 And with that, just being a man who...
02:02:39.000 I have a family to take care of.
02:02:41.000 And of course, I want to make as much money as I can in the sport.
02:02:44.000 But I also want to be the world champion.
02:02:46.000 Those are goals before I'm done fighting.
02:02:49.000 I was an interim world champion, but that's going to be an asterisk next to that forever because it's interim.
02:02:54.000 Even though I beat a current champ, or at the time he was a current champ.
02:02:57.000 It's just a lot of great area with that stuff.
02:02:59.000 I want to be undisputed world champion.
02:03:02.000 No argument.
02:03:03.000 And I can walk away a champion forever.
02:03:06.000 And what I originally set out to do is be the world champion.
02:03:09.000 I'll hit that goal.
02:03:10.000 But I have a family to take care of, and I can't fight forever.
02:03:13.000 So, you know, it's just a lot of pulling me in different directions mentally with that stuff.
02:03:18.000 Yeah, if they gave you the option, fight for the title or fight a rematch with Conor.
02:03:23.000 Fight for the title versus Oliveira, rematch versus Conor.
02:03:27.000 Would you have to think about it?
02:03:28.000 Yeah, I'm thinking about it right now because I knew you were about to ask me. 1.00
02:03:31.000 I'm like, shit. 0.99
02:03:33.000 Let me talk to you. 1.00
02:03:34.000 Fight Conor.
02:03:35.000 Take the Conor fight.
02:03:36.000 Yeah.
02:03:37.000 You're going to fight for the title again.
02:03:38.000 Yeah, well, go out there, beat Conor, then the next fight is the title fight, no doubt about it.
02:03:42.000 100%, yeah.
02:03:43.000 And how often do you put yourself in a position for a trilogy of that magnitude?
02:03:48.000 You know, it might happen once in your career, it might never happen.
02:03:50.000 And for fighters and for fans alike...
02:03:54.000 It's just an amazing, interesting encounter.
02:03:56.000 It's an amazing opportunity.
02:03:59.000 The fact that he stops you in the first fight, you stop him in the second fight, Jesus Christ.
02:04:04.000 I mean, that's just...
02:04:05.000 And then, because of who Conor is, as just this larger-than-life personality, it makes it enormous.
02:04:12.000 And if Conor can convince people that he's figured it out, and he's more dedicated than before, and he can convince people that.
02:04:18.000 Oh, yeah.
02:04:18.000 And people love a comeback story.
02:04:20.000 Fuck yeah, they do. 1.00
02:04:22.000 And... 1.00
02:04:23.000 Have that shit in a giant arena in Florida? 1.00
02:04:26.000 I'm in! 1.00
02:04:27.000 I'll sign the contract right now.
02:04:28.000 Come on! 0.61
02:04:30.000 Jamie's gonna fly out too.
02:04:31.000 He's gonna be there.
02:04:32.000 Look at him.
02:04:32.000 He's excited.
02:04:33.000 His eyebrows are going up.
02:04:35.000 So, listen, man.
02:04:37.000 Thanks for being here.
02:04:38.000 I appreciate you.
02:04:39.000 I'm a big fan.
02:04:40.000 Thank you, man.
02:04:40.000 Watched you fight from the time you're in your early 20s, man.
02:04:44.000 It's been amazing watching you mature and grow and become who you are now.
02:04:49.000 It's awesome to see and best of luck to you, sir.
02:04:51.000 Thank you, Joe.
02:04:52.000 I appreciate that, man.
02:04:53.000 My pleasure, brother.
02:04:54.000 And thanks for the hot sauce.
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