The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #107 with Georges St-Pierre

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!

00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

00:00:14.000 How many times a week do you have two guests during a day?

00:00:20.000 It's rare, but I did it once last week and then today.

00:00:24.000 Wow.

00:00:25.000 That burns you?

00:00:27.000 Nah, it's just talking.

00:00:29.000 It's no big deal.

00:00:30.000 Are we up?

00:00:31.000 Yeah, okay, go ahead.

00:00:32.000 It's insane, you know?

00:00:33.000 Why is it insane?

00:00:35.000 Because, man, sometimes, you know, I can train all day, you know, but if I do something like this, like autograph signing or any, like, things that require more, I would say, You know, meet and greet and stuff like that,

00:00:51.000 that take more out of me than a physical, something physical like a training.

00:00:56.000 That's just because you're accustomed to training all the time.

00:00:59.000 It's like everything else, like the more accustomed to it you are, the easier it is.

00:01:03.000 Man, anyway, you look fantastic.

00:01:06.000 Thanks, you do too!

00:01:07.000 You haven't aged a bit, you're like wine, you get better with age.

00:01:10.000 I like the frosted tips, man.

00:01:12.000 What are you doing?

00:01:12.000 Change my style.

00:01:14.000 You know, when you get older, you try to look younger.

00:01:17.000 When you're younger, you try to look older.

00:01:19.000 Right.

00:01:19.000 That's true.

00:01:20.000 Like, young guys try to grow beards.

00:01:22.000 That's right.

00:01:22.000 Come on, man.

00:01:22.000 Let it go.

00:01:23.000 I just shaved.

00:01:25.000 I had Lex Freeman podcast yesterday.

00:01:27.000 Yes.

00:01:28.000 And I told myself, I said, you know what, it will look weird if I appear on both podcasts in Austin with the same style, you know?

00:01:35.000 So it's better that I, when they put it on the social media, at least it's kind of a different look.

00:01:42.000 I saw with Lex, you wore the suit and tie just like him, right?

00:01:45.000 Men in black style, that's right.

00:01:47.000 Nice, nice.

00:01:47.000 Reservoir dogs.

00:01:48.000 Yes, exactly.

00:01:49.000 Look at that.

00:01:51.000 Look at you too.

00:01:52.000 I love Lex.

00:01:53.000 He's such a great guy.

00:01:55.000 He's amazing.

00:01:56.000 I really enjoyed talking to guys like this because you don't meet people like this every day.

00:02:02.000 He's so educated, so smart.

00:02:04.000 Yes.

00:02:04.000 But also a martial artist.

00:02:07.000 Yeah.

00:02:08.000 That's right.

00:02:08.000 He says that he was a big fan.

00:02:11.000 He was kind of intimidated.

00:02:12.000 I said, I'm intimidating talking to you, Lex, because I cannot teach you anything.

00:02:17.000 You know, like, you can teach me stuff.

00:02:19.000 I can learn from you.

00:02:21.000 You cannot, you know, in regards of perhaps martial art, yes, but in terms of life, I'm like, in terms of knowledge, you can teach me so much more than I can do.

00:02:30.000 It's true.

00:02:30.000 If you talk to him about artificial intelligence and AI and machine learning and everything, like, oof.

00:02:35.000 Bro, yesterday we went deep in the rabbit hole.

00:02:38.000 You know, like in your podcast, sometimes you curves, you go in the field.

00:02:42.000 With Lex, yesterday we went in the right field, like far away.

00:02:45.000 What did you discuss?

00:02:46.000 What was it?

00:02:47.000 Man, at one point, I was the one interviewing him.

00:02:50.000 Because I'm curious, the podcast took another turn, like 180 degrees.

00:02:55.000 I was the one interviewing him because I'm so curious.

00:02:58.000 You know, when I meet someone like him, I take advantage of it.

00:03:01.000 You know, like it's...

00:03:03.000 I think he likes it and I ask him about what he thinks about free will, if he thinks at one point AI could be a potential threat for humanity.

00:03:13.000 What do you think about that?

00:03:14.000 He actually changed my mind quite a bit on the subject.

00:03:19.000 Did you think it could be a threat and now you don't?

00:03:21.000 No, on free will.

00:03:22.000 Oh, free will.

00:03:24.000 I never, like, before I met Lex, like, yesterday, before that, I thought that free will was just an illusion and everything is a result of causality, right?

00:03:37.000 Right, determinism.

00:03:38.000 Determinism, that's right.

00:03:39.000 A lot of people don't know, but that's called determinism.

00:03:42.000 But Lex came up with the...

00:03:45.000 Like very good argument and now I'm not so sure anymore.

00:03:49.000 I think both things are true.

00:03:51.000 I think it's like many things involving human beings.

00:03:53.000 There's not an absolute in one side or the other.

00:03:56.000 For sure, free will is a thing.

00:03:59.000 Because we both know about discipline.

00:04:02.000 We both know how difficult it is.

00:04:03.000 Like you know more than anybody how difficult it is when you're in...

00:04:16.000 Yeah.

00:04:27.000 That's discipline.

00:04:29.000 But why can you do it and why can other people not do it?

00:04:34.000 How much of your personality was instilled upon you because of your genetics, because of your life experiences, because of the environment that you grew up in?

00:04:45.000 How much of it was the people that you experienced when you were younger that showed you the value and the benefit of hard work?

00:04:52.000 And how many of the people that you mirrored were lazy and then found excuses?

00:04:57.000 And maybe you lean towards them.

00:04:59.000 How much of determinism is true?

00:05:02.000 How much of free will is true?

00:05:04.000 It's a balance.

00:05:05.000 There's a lot of both things.

00:05:07.000 That's right.

00:05:09.000 You know, in a mechanical world, if a car...

00:05:13.000 Brokes. 0.74

00:05:14.000 We're not going to say the car decides to break.

00:05:17.000 Right.

00:05:17.000 Or if trees fall down, we're not going to say the trees decide to break.

00:05:21.000 Maybe the asymmetry of the tree makes it fall down.

00:05:24.000 There's a reason why.

00:05:25.000 But I feel that us as human beings sometimes, our ego, want us to be...

00:05:32.000 In control of the universe, which is, I do not believe it's the case.

00:05:36.000 So that's why I tend to, before I met Lex, I was 100% convinced there is no free will.

00:05:44.000 And, you know, everything is determined by causality.

00:05:49.000 Now I'm not so sure because we talk about consciousness, what it is, and he had some incredible argument and he made me see a different point of view that I never seen before.

00:06:00.000 Well, just think about this.

00:06:01.000 Think about how many people seek out inspiration.

00:06:04.000 Think about how valuable it is.

00:06:05.000 Like, Matt Frazier was on my podcast a couple of weeks ago.

00:06:08.000 He was a five-time CrossFit champion.

00:06:11.000 And one of the things that he does now, he has this art collection that he's selling on his website.

00:06:18.000 And it's all these inspirational quotes.

00:06:21.000 And the idea is to put up this art with all these inspirational quotes and that will give you fuel to get through your workouts or get through difficult things that you want to do in your life.

00:06:31.000 How many people post inspirational things online?

00:06:35.000 And then how many people read those things and get excited and it inspires them to action?

00:06:41.000 There's some real cause and effect.

00:06:44.000 That's right.

00:06:44.000 Where there's inspiration and then there's action that's motivated by that inspiration.

00:06:48.000 Whether it's going to The Rock's Instagram and watching him at 5 o'clock in the morning.

00:06:52.000 The Rock here working out in the Church of Iron. 0.99

00:06:57.000 You know, like all the shit that that guy does or all these other... 0.99

00:06:59.000 Cam Haynes or David Goggins. 0.99

00:07:01.000 All these other inspirational people that are online.

00:07:03.000 Why are they so...

00:07:05.000 Motivational.

00:07:05.000 Why do so many people flock to them?

00:07:07.000 Because there's a reality to the – there's a give and take to these things.

00:07:12.000 And there's certain things that inspire you to action.

00:07:15.000 You can externally be motivated by those things.

00:07:17.000 It's not necessarily 100% determinism.

00:07:20.000 There is some free will.

00:07:22.000 Well, however, there's, for example, a A quote that can inspire you.

00:07:27.000 But to me, it doesn't have the same effect because of my background.

00:07:31.000 It doesn't get me to my core because I cannot rely really much to it.

00:07:35.000 So it's a little bit of determinism because it's the causality that makes it who I am and who you are that The effect of that quote as on you is different than it has on me.

00:07:48.000 Or you could both grow up in the same environment.

00:07:50.000 You could have a brother that's inspired by things that are not even remotely inspirational to you.

00:07:55.000 But to him, it's everything.

00:07:58.000 Whether it's music, or whether it's a movie, or a book, or whatever it is.

00:08:03.000 It's true.

00:08:03.000 In families, very often you have someone who's...

00:08:08.000 Going the right way and perhaps one of his siblings will go the wrong way.

00:08:13.000 And we always tend to say, oh, we don't understand because they've been raised the same way, but they did not.

00:08:18.000 The moment you take one of your kids in your arm and the other one is looking at the kid, it changes everything.

00:08:27.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:28.000 Yeah, it does.

00:08:28.000 It's very hard to understand.

00:08:29.000 But I'm not saying that I'm convinced that there is no free will, but I... I don't know now.

00:08:38.000 He didn't completely convince me.

00:08:40.000 He didn't completely make me change my mind.

00:08:43.000 But he's got his point.

00:08:45.000 And now, man, I don't know.

00:08:48.000 I think the real problem is people that are convinced one way or the other.

00:08:53.000 That's the real problem.

00:08:54.000 Because it is an open-ended conversation.

00:08:57.000 I don't think they're really...

00:08:59.000 I think determinism is a real factor.

00:09:01.000 But I also think will is a real factor too.

00:09:04.000 In that there's something about...

00:09:07.000 The open-ended variability of your decisions and what you decide to do and what you don't decide to do. 0.99

00:09:13.000 There's moments in your life where you go, fuck it, I'm going to go for it. 0.98

00:09:18.000 And when you do go for it, your life changes. 1.00

00:09:20.000 What makes you say, fuck it, I'm going to go for it? 0.99

00:09:23.000 It depends entirely on what happened that day to you. 0.99

00:09:26.000 It depends entirely on how you feel, whether or not you got rest, whether or not you broke up with a girlfriend, or she broke up with you, or you got fired from a job, or you quit a job, or you took on a new path in life.

00:09:38.000 All those different things play a factor.

00:09:40.000 But there's also your own personal decision making that's based on your own personality and maybe your own life experiences.

00:09:48.000 There's so many things involved.

00:09:50.000 But for sure, we all value discipline.

00:10:00.000 Mm-hmm.

00:10:14.000 And I think there's something to that.

00:10:16.000 It's like you need to seek out inspiration. 0.98

00:10:18.000 And that's why, again, people like David Goggins are so inspirational because you can go to his page every day and that motherfucker's running 30 miles a day. 0.99

00:10:26.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

00:10:27.000 Like there's something to that.

00:10:29.000 Like you get fuel out of that.

00:10:32.000 There's people like my friend Cam Haynes.

00:10:34.000 There's people or The Rock or whoever it is.

00:10:35.000 They give you fuel.

00:10:36.000 You see them training hard.

00:10:38.000 You go, oh, there's fuel in that.

00:10:39.000 Like I want to go train.

00:10:41.000 They are unbreakable.

00:10:42.000 They have an unbreakable will and this is very inspirational.

00:10:46.000 That's right.

00:10:47.000 So there's two things happening.

00:10:49.000 There's one, it's like, yeah, you are a lot of who you are because of genetics and because of life experience and because of all the things that have happened to you.

00:10:58.000 But there's also decisions that you make.

00:10:59.000 There's lines in the sand where you draw.

00:11:01.000 There's moments where you say, I'm going to do something different now. 1.00

00:11:04.000 I'm tired of this shit. 1.00

00:11:05.000 Like people that are drunk their whole life and fucked up on drugs and then one day they go, enough. 1.00

00:11:10.000 Enough. 0.96

00:11:10.000 I don't want to do this anymore. 0.96

00:11:11.000 I'm going to change.

00:11:12.000 And they have inspiration.

00:11:14.000 And then they go to a 12-step program.

00:11:15.000 They meet other people that also have inspiration.

00:11:18.000 And they feed off of each other.

00:11:20.000 I think it's important to face adversity.

00:11:24.000 It helps if you face it at a very young age because it molds you.

00:11:29.000 Especially if you're able to overcome it.

00:11:32.000 Because if you've never faced adversity before, and when you face it for the first time and you're not prepared for it, it can break you.

00:11:40.000 It can make you fold.

00:11:42.000 You see that very often in a career of a In mixed martial arts, some of the guys, they've been protected for too long, and then when they face a real challenge, they fall.

00:11:51.000 Same thing in anything.

00:11:52.000 And I think guys, perhaps like David Goggins, or when I heard their backstories, because they faced adversity, they had to face an incredible amount of adversity, and they were able to overcome each of it.

00:12:05.000 And they become stronger because what doesn't kill you make you stronger, right?

00:12:09.000 Or it fucks you up to the point where you're weaker than you were before.

00:12:12.000 Exactly. 0.56

00:12:12.000 But I think it's a little bit life. 0.56

00:12:15.000 I think it could be like a fight if you gradually face adversity.

00:12:19.000 Yes.

00:12:20.000 It's like someone who's...

00:12:21.000 Let's say someone who's very healthy...

00:12:25.000 Always pay everything for his kids.

00:12:27.000 His kids are not used to learn the importance of hard work.

00:12:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:32.000 I think it's very important to teach that to kids.

00:12:37.000 The importance of hard work, the importance of adversity.

00:12:41.000 The importance of, you know, not to break them right when they're young and make them lose their confidence, because I believe confidence is everything, right?

00:12:49.000 If you don't have, you can have all the skills in the world, but if you don't have confidence, it's like someone who has a lot of money in his bank account, but no way of accessing it.

00:12:57.000 So, by facing adversity and overcoming it, you're building your confidence.

00:13:03.000 That's why sports are so important for kids.

00:13:04.000 Yeah, man.

00:13:05.000 And life and same thing in business.

00:13:07.000 You're going to reach time that you're going to go down.

00:13:10.000 And sometimes you might go to the down deep.

00:13:15.000 But if you face adversity before you're used to overcome those obstacles, you'll bounce back from it.

00:13:21.000 Yes.

00:13:22.000 That's why I like...

00:13:24.000 I know a lot of people, sometimes they face adversity and they fall.

00:13:27.000 They can't stand up from it.

00:13:29.000 And some people, let's help them, let's help them.

00:13:32.000 But if you help them, you always give them help.

00:13:34.000 They will rely on that.

00:13:36.000 They need to learn from themselves.

00:13:37.000 And sometimes I think there is nothing better than reach the down deep To find out how strong you are to come back from that.

00:13:47.000 Yeah, well that's a lot of things that people say when they're talking about experiencing drug addiction or alcoholism.

00:13:52.000 They have to hit rock bottom.

00:13:54.000 They hit rock bottom and then they realize they don't want to be there anymore and then they build themselves back up.

00:13:58.000 They experience that adversity and they overcome it.

00:14:00.000 That's right.

00:14:01.000 It doesn't break them.

00:14:02.000 That's right.

00:14:02.000 Sometimes it can fold you, it can break you, but it can make you much stronger.

00:14:05.000 This is a good point of discussion because the way mixed martial arts fighters, particularly in the large organizations, whether it's the UFC or Bellator or what have you, they're developed very differently than boxing.

00:14:20.000 In boxing, they take a fighter and the goal is to keep that fighter undefeated as long as possible.

00:14:26.000 Until they can get them a title shot. 0.94

00:14:28.000 And a really good manager and a really good trainer will progressively increase the level of the opponents that they face.

00:14:35.000 That's right.

00:14:36.000 They'll give you an opponent that's a very good inside fighter, give you an opponent who's got a longer reach and fights very well from the outside, and show you all these various problems that you're going to encounter when you face a world-class opponent. 0.97

00:14:48.000 Whereas in the MMA, you just get fucking thrown into the wolves.

00:14:52.000 Well, your match with someone... 0.97

00:14:55.000 On paper, who has a similar record than you do.

00:15:00.000 Who has a similar skill set than you do.

00:15:03.000 So it's pretty much 50-50 on paper.

00:15:05.000 Not always, but very often.

00:15:07.000 Very often.

00:15:09.000 I believe the reason why it is like that is because if you look at the UFC, for example, look at UFC, the way they promote the event.

00:15:18.000 UFC is like the Vaseline of petrol jelly.

00:15:22.000 People don't say, hey, I watch mixed martial arts.

00:15:25.000 They say, I watch UFC. So the way they promote it, it's UFC 226, this guy versus this guy on the bottom, but they promote the UFC. They don't promote the fighter.

00:15:35.000 They promote mostly the brand.

00:15:37.000 And it's very smart because they have the monopoly over the others, right?

00:15:41.000 Right.

00:15:42.000 Which in boxing, they build up their fighter because the money is on the fighter.

00:15:47.000 It's not on the IBF title or...

00:15:49.000 Yes, it's IBF title, but it's...

00:15:51.000 People don't care.

00:15:52.000 Canelo versus Mayweather.

00:15:54.000 Right.

00:15:54.000 And then on the bottom, you know for what they're fighting for.

00:15:57.000 Right.

00:15:57.000 Which in UFC is the opposite.

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:15:59.000 So that's the main difference and that's why it's like that.

00:16:02.000 Which is not a bad thing for their business because they're there to make money, right?

00:16:07.000 It's a smart move.

00:16:08.000 But for the fighters, I mean, if you're on the winning hand, it's a good thing to be promoted.

00:16:14.000 But if you're in the losing hand, I mean...

00:16:17.000 Get another job.

00:16:19.000 It's unusual where a guy like Jon Jones rises through the ranks where he's 22 years old, he fights for the title and wins.

00:16:25.000 That's very unusual.

00:16:27.000 Very unusual.

00:16:28.000 A lot of times when guys are very young and they get thrown to the wolves like that, they don't...

00:16:32.000 Jon is an extraordinary talent.

00:16:34.000 He's very unusual.

00:16:36.000 One of a kind.

00:16:37.000 Literally one of a kind, because he's the only guy other than Khabib Nurmagomedov that's fought his entire career and been undefeated. 0.98

00:16:43.000 John has one loss, but it's a bullshit loss.

00:16:45.000 It was a disqualification, a fight that he totally dominated against Matt Hamill. 0.98

00:16:48.000 Yeah, for throwing the downward elbows, which is a ridiculous rule. 0.55

00:16:52.000 Don't you think that's the most ridiculous rule out of all the rules?

00:16:56.000 The 12-6 elbow.

00:16:58.000 Joe, if it would be up to me, I mean, I would allow almost anything and I would not even make rounds. 1.00

00:17:05.000 I think rounds are stupid. 0.99

00:17:06.000 You want to see who's the best man? 1.00

00:17:07.000 Let them fight, man.

00:17:08.000 What about eye pokes?

00:17:10.000 No, no eye poke.

00:17:11.000 The problem is the gloves.

00:17:12.000 Trevor Whitman came out with gloves, you know, because the UFC glove, when you put it on, it makes your hand open like this.

00:17:21.000 And for example, there's gloves like Trevor Whitman made.

00:17:25.000 The gloves naturally makes your hand fold.

00:17:28.000 And that's one of the solutions to the problem.

00:17:30.000 They're better protecting your hands, too.

00:17:32.000 A hundred percent.

00:17:32.000 Trevor's gloves are the best.

00:17:34.000 They're so superior.

00:17:36.000 I remember everyone, like John McCarty, used to fold the glove and wrap it to make sure it...

00:17:41.000 But it's still not enough because when you put it on, it makes your hand open.

00:17:47.000 Yeah.

00:17:47.000 So that's the problem with the eye poke.

00:17:50.000 And I believe...

00:17:51.000 No, I would not allow eye poke, of course, but I would, you know, no rounds.

00:17:55.000 What about groin shots?

00:17:57.000 No, maybe not my shot.

00:17:59.000 I mean, I would keep it in the realm of sport, you know?

00:18:04.000 But yeah, man, if you want to see who's the best man, let them fight.

00:18:07.000 Because you see very often that a fight is interrupted by a round.

00:18:12.000 The momentum shifts like 180 degrees completely.

00:18:16.000 Yes.

00:18:16.000 And it's not fair.

00:18:17.000 It's a fight.

00:18:18.000 Let them fight.

00:18:19.000 I agree. 1.00

00:18:20.000 I also think that stand-ups are bullshit. 1.00

00:18:23.000 I get mad and people go, no, no, no. 0.99

00:18:25.000 Fighters get mad at me.

00:18:27.000 They're like, you don't know what you're talking about.

00:18:28.000 The stand-ups are important.

00:18:30.000 Otherwise, people will stall.

00:18:31.000 I go, well, do something about it.

00:18:33.000 Someone's holding you down.

00:18:34.000 They're holding you down.

00:18:36.000 You gotta figure out a way to get up.

00:18:37.000 Like, that's a part of the sport.

00:18:39.000 Like, baseball, right? 1.00

00:18:41.000 Baseball's boring as fuck, to me. 0.99

00:18:43.000 But, yeah, it's a subjective argument, yeah. 1.00

00:18:46.000 You wait for this one moment where someone hits a ball really far.

00:18:49.000 And it takes so long for those moments!

00:18:53.000 Whereas a fight, if a guy can hold a guy down for three minutes, you're telling me you can't...

00:18:58.000 We can't watch three minutes where a guy tries to figure it out.

00:19:01.000 We're so starved for entertainment.

00:19:03.000 Our attention span is so short that we can't allow...

00:19:06.000 That's part of the fight.

00:19:07.000 And everyone knows that if you roll with a wrestler. 0.99

00:19:09.000 If you roll with a wrestler, they fucking squash you. 1.00

00:19:11.000 And you're like, shit, I gotta figure out a way to get out from underneath this guy. 1.00

00:19:15.000 Yeah, but John... 0.99

00:19:16.000 Joe, we're in the entertainment business.

00:19:20.000 Yes, I understand.

00:19:22.000 Actor, comedian, athletes, singers.

00:19:26.000 It's an entertainment business.

00:19:28.000 People pay to be entertained.

00:19:30.000 We forgot that sometimes.

00:19:31.000 Yeah, but it's also just purity.

00:19:33.000 It's not only about who's the best man.

00:19:35.000 I mean, that's because us, we're martial artists.

00:19:37.000 That's the pure...

00:19:38.000 The purity of our sport, the truth about it for us is to see who's the best man.

00:19:43.000 But for an entertainment standpoint, the money isn't there.

00:19:47.000 The money isn't the entertainment.

00:19:49.000 Right, but isn't the incentive in the fighter?

00:19:50.000 Like, look, a guy like Khabib Nurmagomedov, who's the greatest lightweight champion of all time, you can't hold him down!

00:19:57.000 You can't do it.

00:19:58.000 No one's held him down.

00:20:00.000 You say that about him. 0.98

00:20:01.000 Well, no one's ever fucking held him down. 0.97

00:20:03.000 He's never held anybody down. 0.99

00:20:05.000 When he holds you down, he's beating the shit out of you. 0.89

00:20:07.000 There's a lot of action involved in that guy holding you down. 0.98

00:20:09.000 No one's holding Jon Jones down.

00:20:11.000 Hold Jon Jones down.

00:20:12.000 Good luck.

00:20:13.000 Well, it's because they're good enough where that doesn't apply to them.

00:20:16.000 So if someone's getting held down, isn't the issue that the fighter who's on the bottom doesn't have the ability to get back up?

00:20:24.000 That's right.

00:20:25.000 But most people don't understand that.

00:20:27.000 And I understand that completely.

00:20:29.000 I'm on your side 100%.

00:20:30.000 And the proof of that is even when I fought at my total reign, I was blamed to be kind of boring because I was not taking enough risk.

00:20:41.000 But why would I take a risk if I'm winning the fight? 0.99

00:20:45.000 Why would I take a stupid risk? 0.99

00:20:47.000 And let an opportunity to my opponent to give me a fatal blow to knock me out. 1.00

00:20:52.000 It's up to him to take the risk.

00:20:55.000 If you're a martial artist, you understand that.

00:20:58.000 But if you're watching a fight to be entertained, you do not understand that.

00:21:03.000 And because we live in an entertained world, that's what it is.

00:21:08.000 That's just people looking for a reason to criticize you because you were so dominant, though.

00:21:12.000 They're trying to find some reason why something you're doing is wrong.

00:21:15.000 It's okay.

00:21:16.000 I live with it.

00:21:18.000 But the critics were real.

00:21:22.000 The good news about it for me is I could be brain damaged, but so far I think I'm good.

00:21:29.000 You did great!

00:21:30.000 Are you kidding me, man?

00:21:31.000 As many fights as you had?

00:21:33.000 To be able to talk the way you talk?

00:21:35.000 We all know fighters that can't.

00:21:37.000 We all know boxers in particular.

00:21:39.000 They get to a certain age and it's unbelievable.

00:21:42.000 You listen to them talk.

00:21:43.000 It's so sad.

00:21:46.000 It's not a guarantee that I will not have problems in the future.

00:21:50.000 I mean, so far, so good.

00:21:52.000 Touch wood.

00:21:53.000 And I don't think I got any issues.

00:21:55.000 But I saw many doctors because for me, my health is the most important thing.

00:22:00.000 And they say that there is never a doctor that will tell you, oh, it's good that if you go back to fight...

00:22:06.000 It's just that it's always a risk.

00:22:08.000 And there is sometimes we don't have the technology nowadays sometimes to see if potentially you'll have problems in the future, right?

00:22:15.000 Well, my hope is that the technology, medical technology, will improve to the point where we can regenerate neurons and help people that have CTE. That's my real hope.

00:22:24.000 And there is some light on the horizon when it comes to that.

00:22:28.000 There are some therapies that are available now that were not available just 5-10 years ago.

00:22:32.000 Yeah.

00:22:34.000 It's sad.

00:22:36.000 I see a lot of guys, they hang on way too long in the sport.

00:22:42.000 I mean, everybody keeps fighting for different reasons.

00:22:46.000 I fought myself, not because I like to fight for the legacy, because I like to win, I guess, better than I hate to lose.

00:22:52.000 So that's why I came back.

00:22:54.000 But some guys, they keep fighting.

00:22:56.000 They always ask me, they say, what do you think about this guy still fighting?

00:23:00.000 And I'm like...

00:23:01.000 If it were me, I would have retired a long time ago because you have a prime window.

00:23:07.000 And when you pass your prime, what's the point?

00:23:09.000 You know, you're hurting your legacy.

00:23:10.000 But if you do it because you love to fight or you do it because you need the money, that's okay.

00:23:16.000 That's your choice, you know?

00:23:18.000 But I think it's a very, very sad thing.

00:23:22.000 And also, another thing, very often I got...

00:23:26.000 I got parents coming with their kids, coming to me and telling me, hey, this is the...

00:23:32.000 The future world champion, you know, which advice would you tell him?

00:23:36.000 And I always tell them the same thing.

00:23:37.000 I disappoint them all, always, almost all of them.

00:23:41.000 Don't do it.

00:23:41.000 Now I said to them, I say, how's school doing?

00:23:45.000 They're like, oh, I don't really like it.

00:23:47.000 I said, stay at school, be good.

00:23:48.000 Keep training, it's good for you.

00:23:50.000 You know, it's good for you, but don't put your eggs in the same basket, kid.

00:23:55.000 You know, like, keep training.

00:23:56.000 And the parent always look at me like this, like, and I'm like, it's not because I made it that I'm gonna...

00:24:02.000 Try to convince your kid to choose the same path.

00:24:06.000 It's a very hard journey.

00:24:09.000 Especially when you're dealing with a kid.

00:24:10.000 You don't know how that kid's going to grow.

00:24:13.000 Some kids grow up to be terrible athletes through no fault of their own.

00:24:17.000 They're slow.

00:24:18.000 They can't hit hard.

00:24:19.000 They don't get hit well.

00:24:21.000 They have a bad chin.

00:24:22.000 There's certain aspects that you can't control when it comes to an athlete.

00:24:26.000 And Joe, I'm not talking only about MMA. I'm talking about basketball, hockey, baseball.

00:24:30.000 Same thing.

00:24:31.000 Yes.

00:24:31.000 It's the same thing.

00:24:32.000 But more consequences with fighting than any of the other ones.

00:24:35.000 Yeah.

00:24:37.000 Hockey.

00:24:37.000 Football.

00:24:38.000 Hockey, football, American football.

00:24:40.000 Soccer too is bad.

00:24:41.000 I talked to Dr. Kent who told me a lot of soccer players because they...

00:24:44.000 Yeah, they had the ball.

00:24:45.000 Yeah!

00:24:46.000 And it's very sad.

00:24:48.000 They're crazy getting CTE from bouncing the ball off their head.

00:24:49.000 No one would have ever expected that.

00:24:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:51.000 That's why there's a real problem with people.

00:24:53.000 They conflate concussions with CTE, but it's not necessarily.

00:24:57.000 It's any kind of impact to the head.

00:25:00.000 You know what my doctor, Dr. Mark Gordon, told me?

00:25:02.000 People get CTE from riding jet skis.

00:25:05.000 Wow.

00:25:06.000 Just riding jet skis and bouncing off of waves.

00:25:10.000 He said it rattles your brain inside your head.

00:25:14.000 And people have cognitive problems, memory problems, and it turns out they're experiencing CTE. Dr. Kent in Boston told me that if you know any kids, if you have any kids, don't ever let him get hit on the head.

00:25:27.000 Or if you play soccer, never hit the ball with your head.

00:25:31.000 Football, no contact.

00:25:32.000 Because before puberty, He clearly made me understand that the damage is way worse.

00:25:38.000 And you know, see some parents, sometimes they grab their kids like this and they shake them.

00:25:42.000 This is like terrible, terrible.

00:25:45.000 So it's a very hard path.

00:25:49.000 And you know, one of the happiest places for me to go and the saddest place to go, it's the gym.

00:25:56.000 When I go train to the gym.

00:25:58.000 It's the happiest place for me to go because I can practice the sport that I love, because I love training, you know, I love the science of fighting.

00:26:05.000 And it's very sad, too, because after training, there's always some guys that come to me because they seek some advice.

00:26:13.000 And I always give them advice regarding fighting.

00:26:17.000 A lot of them, my advice for them would be, hey bro, you should hang up your gloves and find a real job.

00:26:24.000 Because I've seen this movie and it's not a good ending, my friend.

00:26:30.000 But if I tell them the truth...

00:26:32.000 They'll get mad at you.

00:26:33.000 They'll get mad at me because I'll be like, oh yeah, you know what I mean?

00:26:37.000 You're jealous.

00:26:38.000 Yeah, he's jealous. 0.97

00:26:39.000 He's arrogant and stuff. 0.71

00:26:41.000 But that's the thing.

00:26:42.000 I tell my real friends that when it's time to hang up their gloves, I tell them the truth.

00:26:47.000 I say, listen.

00:26:47.000 And I said to them, like I said, listen man, what's good for you now?

00:26:53.000 You know, it's a little bit like in...

00:26:56.000 The movie with Bruce Willis, Quentin Tarantino.

00:27:02.000 Oh, Pulp Fiction.

00:27:03.000 Pulp Fiction.

00:27:04.000 If you would have made it, you would have made it before.

00:27:08.000 When he made that speech, it's a little bit the same thing.

00:27:12.000 I love that monologue.

00:27:13.000 It's amazing.

00:27:14.000 But it's the truth.

00:27:15.000 A lot of people should rely to this, but it's unfortunate.

00:27:19.000 Well, the reason why champions are so exceptional is because it's so hard to become a champion.

00:27:25.000 It's so rare.

00:27:25.000 All the stars have to align.

00:27:27.000 You have to have mental prowess, physical prowess.

00:27:31.000 You have to have great coaching.

00:27:33.000 You have to have...

00:27:34.000 So many different factors have to come together.

00:27:36.000 And also fortune.

00:27:38.000 I mean, your guy has been through some surgeries.

00:27:40.000 And we all know guys who...

00:27:42.000 They get injured and they can never even train again.

00:27:44.000 It happens.

00:27:45.000 It's unusual, but it can happen.

00:27:47.000 And we were dealing with this...

00:27:49.000 This giant hurricane of possibilities for someone to come out of that and be a George St-Pierre or be a Khabib Nurmagomedov or a Jon Jones or someone who's exceptional.

00:28:00.000 It's so rare.

00:28:01.000 So when someone's kid comes up to you and says, I'm going to be the next world champion, you're like...

00:28:05.000 The possibility, the odds of failure are so high.

00:28:09.000 They're so high.

00:28:11.000 That's the thing.

00:28:12.000 I believe you need to have a certain predisposition.

00:28:15.000 Yeah.

00:28:17.000 I met in my life incredible mentors that had a huge influence on me.

00:28:23.000 They taught me great life lessons, techniques, and it's incredible.

00:28:29.000 If I would not have had that...

00:28:33.000 Those guys who influenced me, I would never have been where I am right now.

00:28:37.000 And plus, on top of that, you know, I worked really hard and I was lucky.

00:28:41.000 You know, like the stars were all aligned.

00:28:43.000 But you need all that, you know?

00:28:45.000 The great coaching is so important, too.

00:28:47.000 There's so many guys that are really talented, but they have meathead coaches. 0.97

00:28:51.000 And the coaches train them the wrong way so they spar full blast in the gym and then they go out and they lose and then their coach has them sparring a couple weeks after they get knocked out and that kind of shit. 0.67

00:29:02.000 And they don't have the technical prowess, the technical proficiency to teach a child or a kid or an athlete right.

00:29:09.000 You can get unlucky, you know?

00:29:11.000 I believe the best way to improve is when it's playful.

00:29:17.000 I've seen so many guys, Joe, I can't say names, but it's crazy how many guys I've seen that left their career in the gyms.

00:29:24.000 Yeah.

00:29:24.000 Because they spar too hard.

00:29:26.000 Every sparring for them, it's about winning the rounds.

00:29:29.000 Yeah.

00:29:29.000 Life or death.

00:29:30.000 You cannot improve like this.

00:29:32.000 You need to be playful.

00:29:34.000 Of course, when you're in training camp and your fight is coming up, you need to somehow try to recreate that environment of discomfort, that stress.

00:29:45.000 But when you're outside of that preparation zone, you need to be playful.

00:29:52.000 And that's when you improve, when it's playful, when it's like a game.

00:29:57.000 Because you will be more prone to trying new things.

00:30:01.000 And by trying new things, you'll adapt.

00:30:03.000 You'll be like, oh, this one works, this one doesn't work.

00:30:06.000 But the one that works, I keep it in my back pocket.

00:30:08.000 And it makes you grow.

00:30:11.000 That's a problem.

00:30:12.000 I've seen...

00:30:14.000 Very often I see guys sparring, they lose a lot of brain cells.

00:30:18.000 It's terrible.

00:30:19.000 It's terrible.

00:30:19.000 And I'm a former world champion.

00:30:22.000 When I spar with guys, very often they're nervous, so they become all stiff.

00:30:27.000 And when they hit, they hit so hard.

00:30:28.000 I tell them, I'm like...

00:30:29.000 You don't get ready.

00:30:30.000 You don't have any fight coming up soon.

00:30:32.000 Just have fun.

00:30:33.000 Relax.

00:30:33.000 I tell them, relax.

00:30:35.000 And very often, they relax.

00:30:37.000 Some will try to make...

00:30:39.000 So I have to answer back.

00:30:41.000 I have to.

00:30:41.000 But very often, they relax.

00:30:44.000 And they're surprised.

00:30:46.000 Because it's so much of an egotistic...

00:30:50.000 We have this mentality that if the guy tells you to relax, it's because he's scared. 1.00

00:30:55.000 It's so stupid. 0.99

00:30:57.000 If you want to improve, it needs to be playful. 1.00

00:31:00.000 In everything.

00:31:04.000 When I say sparring, When I'm about to spar with someone I never sparred before, that's what I do.

00:31:11.000 I tell them, I say, would you like to play a little bit?

00:31:14.000 I don't use the word sparring.

00:31:16.000 Because sparring is like aggression.

00:31:18.000 I tell them, I say, would you like to play a little bit there?

00:31:21.000 Then we touch glove and we play.

00:31:22.000 And I never go hard.

00:31:23.000 I always start very...

00:31:26.000 Very slow.

00:31:26.000 And if I see that he's going to our...

00:31:30.000 I tell him, I say, please, go more easy.

00:31:32.000 And of course, if he's getting ready for a fight, it's different.

00:31:36.000 It's a different situation.

00:31:37.000 But, you know, that's how it is, you know?

00:31:38.000 And you need...

00:31:39.000 You shouldn't be afraid to tell your training partner, hey, please, like, put it...

00:31:44.000 Like, slow down a notch, you know?

00:31:45.000 Like...

00:31:46.000 When you see guys trying to throw a head kick to knock each other out, you know?

00:31:50.000 In boxing, sparring, it's different because we have big gloves, big headgear, you know?

00:31:54.000 They can go hard.

00:31:56.000 I mean, even if it's not good because it's repeatedly blows...

00:31:59.000 Repetition with the blows to the head, but...

00:32:03.000 In MMA, with the kicks, the damage is basically like a baseball bat hitting your head.

00:32:08.000 You can't do that.

00:32:09.000 It's crazy, man.

00:32:11.000 The ties have it right, right?

00:32:12.000 That's right.

00:32:13.000 That's right, because they have so many fights.

00:32:16.000 They have so many fights that...

00:32:18.000 And also, when you fight someone...

00:32:20.000 When I fight someone, it happens very often in my career.

00:32:25.000 Like, when I fight someone...

00:32:28.000 You have a connection with the guy you fight.

00:32:31.000 A lot of things happen here.

00:32:33.000 And real fighters will know that when I'm talking about the connection that we have because you look at each other and this connection you cannot see it when you watch a fight on TV. But very often in most of my fight When I went to decision, I could see the guy breaking,

00:32:50.000 folding.

00:32:51.000 Like, he's letting me know that he doesn't fight to win anymore.

00:32:55.000 He's fighting to not lose.

00:32:58.000 And like I said earlier, it's not up to me trying to...

00:33:03.000 Trying to push the pace, trying to finish him and increasing my risk of getting caught by a counter punch and getting knocked out.

00:33:12.000 You know, it's up to him to take the risk, you know, because he's losing the fight.

00:33:16.000 And the idea in this game, you want to save yourself for another day.

00:33:20.000 I mean, it's sad to say for the fan, but this is the truth.

00:33:24.000 If you win and that's what you're doing is good, you win...

00:33:27.000 You're winning the fight, you know?

00:33:29.000 You're gonna get paid the same amount of money.

00:33:31.000 Of course, if you have like an highlight reel, something like that, it could increase your pay.

00:33:36.000 But in terms of your career, I believe you should see your career as a marathon, not as a sprint.

00:33:43.000 So you kind of save yourself.

00:33:45.000 And a lot of time I fought guys, I could see in their face that, oh, he doesn't want to be there anymore.

00:33:50.000 Like, I know I'm winning the fight before even the fight is over.

00:33:54.000 They get desperate.

00:33:55.000 Of course, they're going to throw a haymaker or something, but I know they're not going to take any risk because they're hurt.

00:34:01.000 They lost already.

00:34:02.000 They know that I'm better than them.

00:34:04.000 And that's when I know I get the fight.

00:34:06.000 And I know that I just need to be on cruise control.

00:34:08.000 I can win if they don't...

00:34:10.000 Like, it's hard to finish someone who doesn't fight to win anymore.

00:34:14.000 Right.

00:34:15.000 You see very often champions...

00:34:18.000 In MMA, I have a very dominant career in the beginning.

00:34:23.000 You know, they finish a lot of their opponent.

00:34:24.000 But after a while, it kind of peaked because the entire UFC roster is studying you and they figure you out.

00:34:33.000 Maybe they didn't figure out how to beat you, but they figure out how to kind of survive and hang in there with you.

00:34:39.000 John Jones is a good example of that, right?

00:34:41.000 Everybody, myself, same thing.

00:34:43.000 Like a lot of guys, Anderson Silva, all the champions.

00:34:47.000 That's what happened.

00:34:49.000 Everyone's studying you.

00:34:50.000 Yes, it's hard to become champion.

00:34:53.000 That's why I told Francis and Gano, I said, man, it's hard to become champion now.

00:34:57.000 Now the entire roster...

00:34:59.000 He's a different animal.

00:35:00.000 Yeah, but...

00:35:01.000 It's so hard.

00:35:02.000 Oh, man, he's a scary human being.

00:35:04.000 It's unbelievable.

00:35:05.000 Pull the microphone in front of your face a little bit more there.

00:35:07.000 Like this.

00:35:08.000 Yeah, he's the scariest.

00:35:09.000 Isn't he the scariest heavyweight of all time?

00:35:13.000 Yeah, man, I think so.

00:35:14.000 No one's scarier.

00:35:15.000 A natural 265 pounds and knocks everyone out. 0.87

00:35:22.000 It's true.

00:35:22.000 There's guys that were very scary in the beginning, but then after, when some other guys figured out how to beat them, they're like, oh, okay, they're not so scary anymore.

00:35:33.000 But even guys that are really scary, like Anderson Silva, it's usually multiple punches that he would knock you out with.

00:35:40.000 With Francis, you can't make any mistakes.

00:35:43.000 Every punch is a hydrogen bomb.

00:35:45.000 You don't need to be a champion to be a scary fighter.

00:35:50.000 Just think about...

00:35:52.000 Like Melvin Manoev, for example.

00:35:54.000 He was an incredible, scary fighter.

00:35:57.000 Because he can knock everybody out, but he can get beat by everybody.

00:36:01.000 Rumble Johnson.

00:36:02.000 That's right.

00:36:02.000 Rumble Johnson, another example.

00:36:04.000 Scary guy.

00:36:05.000 One of the scariest of all time.

00:36:07.000 That's right.

00:36:08.000 Knocked out Glover Teixeira with one punch.

00:36:10.000 Remember that?

00:36:10.000 To me, Khabib is one of the scariest, too.

00:36:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:14.000 Because he's beating you down.

00:36:16.000 He's not only beating you down, he's breaking you mentally.

00:36:19.000 And for me, that is worse than anything.

00:36:21.000 For me, he's the scariest one, pound for pound.

00:36:24.000 Is he the guy that you would come back for?

00:36:27.000 I would have.

00:36:28.000 You would have?

00:36:29.000 No, it's all over now.

00:36:30.000 You're done?

00:36:31.000 That's it?

00:36:32.000 I'm done.

00:36:32.000 It's three years ago.

00:36:35.000 Hey, GSP, it's Dana White.

00:36:37.000 Listen, I got to fight for you.

00:36:39.000 Now, I'm going to explain to you.

00:36:41.000 If he wants me to fight, he needs to do it.

00:36:45.000 That's how he needs to do it.

00:36:46.000 He needs to hide himself, wait that I'm in a gym training.

00:36:51.000 Like, for example, when I was in LA with Freddie Roach hitting the pads and getting back because I haven't done this before.

00:36:58.000 It's because COVID, everything is closed in Montreal.

00:37:01.000 Right.

00:37:01.000 But I went back and now I found my mechanic back, man.

00:37:05.000 And when you hit, when you train in mixed martial arts and combat sport, you become a different person, you know?

00:37:11.000 And ta-ta-ta-ta-ta! 0.99

00:37:12.000 And Freddie, look at me.

00:37:14.000 He's like, George...

00:37:16.000 You get the hitch back.

00:37:17.000 I'm like, ah, stop saying that!

00:37:19.000 And if Dana White would walk in right now in the gym in between rounds, I would sign the contract in a blink of an eye.

00:37:28.000 But then after I go back home, go back in Montreal in my comfort, and I'm like...

00:37:32.000 Hell no! 0.93

00:37:34.000 There you are, working with Freddie.

00:37:36.000 Yeah, and people are like, hey, are you practicing left-handed?

00:37:39.000 I've always been both sides.

00:37:42.000 Switch hitter, yeah. 0.99

00:37:43.000 I like how Freddie has a fucking... 1.00

00:37:45.000 He's got a mask on his chin. 1.00

00:37:47.000 What's that protection, Freddie? 1.00

00:37:48.000 Take that stupid goddamn thing off. 1.00

00:37:51.000 And you know, I'm left-handed because I've always been left-handed. 1.00

00:37:54.000 It was a card, a secret card that I kept.

00:37:58.000 In my arsenal that if I would have needed to use it.

00:38:02.000 You switch?

00:38:03.000 Yes, I was going to switch perhaps with Bisping in the fourth round.

00:38:07.000 Oh really?

00:38:08.000 Yes.

00:38:08.000 So you're more comfortable left-handed?

00:38:11.000 No.

00:38:11.000 You're more comfortable in the southpaw?

00:38:13.000 No, I would say I've started more comfortable as a regular stand.

00:38:19.000 But because I do karate, I always...

00:38:21.000 If you ask my coaches, everybody knows.

00:38:24.000 But I always fight one side because I believe it's a secret card that you can pull off and surprise everybody.

00:38:32.000 But you don't show your hand when you play a card.

00:38:35.000 You only show what you need to show to win the fight.

00:38:38.000 Well, you see that with Wonderboy.

00:38:40.000 Like, Wonderboy, he's right-handed, but he fights, in my opinion, at his best when he's right-leg forward because he throws front-leg kicks.

00:38:47.000 Yes.

00:38:48.000 That's one of the things he does.

00:38:49.000 He'll switch back and forth fluidly.

00:38:52.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:38:53.000 He can fight well from both stances.

00:38:56.000 But when he's right leg forward, you see a lot of those front leg kicks. 0.99

00:38:59.000 And that's some of the most difficult shit to get through with that guy. 0.99

00:39:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:03.000 There's guys that has a lot of problems fighting a southpaw.

00:39:08.000 There's guys like...

00:39:09.000 It switches everything.

00:39:10.000 Yes!

00:39:11.000 It can change everything.

00:39:12.000 So that's why it was for me a secret car that I kept in case I would need it.

00:39:19.000 But unfortunately for me, Bisping was very good with Southport as well.

00:39:24.000 He knocked out Ruluk Rockhold.

00:39:27.000 Perhaps it's one of these things that I should have used earlier in my career, unfortunately.

00:39:32.000 And I did not.

00:39:33.000 Unfortunately, you're one of the greatest of all time.

00:39:35.000 How about relax?

00:39:36.000 I'm very critic about myself, Joe.

00:39:41.000 It always can be better, right?

00:39:43.000 But that's always one of the reasons why champions are champions, is that they are self-critical.

00:39:48.000 If you just think everything you do is amazing and you don't have any room for improvement...

00:39:53.000 I think some of the reason why champions become champions is this terrible discomfort of analyzing themselves and not liking certain aspects of what they're doing and finding flaws in their technique or watching a tape.

00:40:06.000 Ah, I shouldn't have got hit with that.

00:40:08.000 Why is that? 0.69

00:40:09.000 You get crazy and angry and then you train harder.

00:40:12.000 The people that are self-satisfied, they're really easily satisfied with their work, they never reach the level of champion because they don't feel that horrible discomfort.

00:40:21.000 When you're looking at yourself and you don't like what you see.

00:40:24.000 Yeah, and my friend C.T. Fletcher says that.

00:40:28.000 Shout out to C.T. I love that dude.

00:40:30.000 He's the man.

00:40:30.000 Iron addicts for life.

00:40:32.000 Big inspiration for me, C.T. I love him.

00:40:34.000 And he says to me, the day that you're satisfied, choose to do something else.

00:40:38.000 Yeah.

00:40:39.000 And it's a little bit what happened to me in fighting.

00:40:42.000 I made peace with it.

00:40:43.000 I... I wanted to come back for Khabib because it was... 1.00

00:40:51.000 For a fighter, the scariest thing sometimes is the most exciting thing to do, and it's a problem that's never been solved before.

00:40:57.000 But to come back for another guy and fight for another title, if I win, it's going to be another one after, and another one, and another one.

00:41:05.000 And I'm going to turn 40 years old.

00:41:08.000 I hate to admit it, Joe, and I refuse to accept it, but...

00:41:13.000 Man, sometimes I think my best years might be behind me.

00:41:17.000 But listen, you're retired.

00:41:18.000 It's okay.

00:41:20.000 No, it's not okay.

00:41:21.000 I'm not done.

00:41:24.000 Dana, you're hearing him right now.

00:41:26.000 Show up with a check.

00:41:28.000 Let's make it happen.

00:41:29.000 But Khabib is done as well.

00:41:31.000 And Khabib is, what is he, 32?

00:41:33.000 I think Khabib is 32 or 33. That's right.

00:41:36.000 So he's in his athletic prime.

00:41:38.000 How old is Khabib?

00:41:38.000 Find out how old Khabib is.

00:41:40.000 I believe he's either 32 or 33. Yeah, but it's different for everybody.

00:41:45.000 Some people reach their prime at 25. Some people at 22. Some people at 35. Look at Bojovic.

00:41:51.000 He's incredible.

00:41:52.000 He's 38 years old and he's dominating the light heavyweight division.

00:41:56.000 I think for Khabib, it was also a promise that he made to his mother.

00:42:00.000 And I think that's where it lies.

00:42:02.000 When his father died, he told his mother, this is going to be the last fight.

00:42:05.000 And then he fought Justin Gaethje.

00:42:06.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 And he said, that's it.

00:42:08.000 And I understand why.

00:42:09.000 Because fighting takes a lot out of you and takes a lot out of the people who loves you.

00:42:17.000 Yeah.

00:42:17.000 Because you play basketball, you play baseball, you don't play fighting.

00:42:21.000 And the outcome of a failure, it could be very, very bad.

00:42:28.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:29.000 It's not like you lose a game of basketball or something like that.

00:42:33.000 You lose a fight, it can have huge repercussions on your health, your well-being, but also your income and your family and everything.

00:42:43.000 Sure, like Stipe's loss to Ngannou.

00:42:45.000 When you watch that loss, that's a horrible price that he paid.

00:42:49.000 When he got knocked out, and you see him out cold, and Francis hits him with that hammer fist after all, he KO'd him with the left hook.

00:42:56.000 That's a horrible place to be.

00:42:58.000 If that's your child, you think of Khabib's mother looking at him, and if that's your child, that's a terrible thing to watch.

00:43:05.000 That's right.

00:43:05.000 But I think psychologically for a fighter, it's hard to come back from a knockout.

00:43:13.000 But it's probably harder to come back from a fight where you've been dominated and broken for five rounds, like where you clearly know that you did not belong there with the team.

00:43:31.000 Khabib, that's his style.

00:43:32.000 That's why I'm saying he's the scariest guy.

00:43:34.000 He can knock you out, submit you, but if he wins the fight, it's very less likely that it's going to be on a punch that clips you.

00:43:42.000 It can happen, but it's going to be on a very dominant performance.

00:43:46.000 He's going to maul you.

00:43:47.000 Exactly.

00:43:48.000 Yeah, my favorite fight of his, I think, is the Edson Barboza fight.

00:43:52.000 Because there's a moment, and Barboza at the time was so scary.

00:43:56.000 He has, in my opinion, the fastest switch kick I've ever seen in my life.

00:44:00.000 I've never seen anybody throw that left front lead kick as fast as Barboza.

00:44:05.000 It's just like...

00:44:05.000 It's so fast.

00:44:07.000 It's incredible.

00:44:09.000 Like a slingshot.

00:44:10.000 His kicking is some of the best I've ever seen in all of my life.

00:44:14.000 But Khabib just got a hold of him and mauled him.

00:44:17.000 And there was a moment in the first round where you see Barboza looking up.

00:44:22.000 He's just getting smothered on the ground.

00:44:24.000 He knows he's done. 1.00

00:44:25.000 He knows he can't fuck with this guy. 1.00

00:44:27.000 He can't keep him off of him. 0.99

00:44:30.000 When you know you're always going to be second place, you're never going to beat the champion, and then you have to continue fighting.

00:44:37.000 There's that moment where you see a fighter who was a promising prospect early in his career, and then somewhere along the line, he accepts the fact that he's a journeyman.

00:44:46.000 And then you see his body change.

00:44:48.000 He starts looking like a little softer.

00:44:50.000 His will change as well.

00:44:51.000 He doesn't train as hard.

00:44:53.000 He fights to put up a good fight, but he doesn't fight to be the best in the world.

00:44:58.000 And I always tell guys, if you're not trying to be the best in the world, you should probably get out.

00:45:05.000 You can enjoy it.

00:45:05.000 Don't listen to me.

00:45:06.000 Do whatever you like.

00:45:07.000 If you enjoy just competing, if you're happy being someone who just competes and you're just trying to do your best every time, there's nothing wrong with that.

00:45:14.000 That's right.

00:45:15.000 But in my opinion, if you started out to be the best in the world and then somewhere along the line you changed and you don't want to be the best in the world anymore, you just want to compete, just get out.

00:45:24.000 Yes.

00:45:25.000 Just get out.

00:45:25.000 Because we've all seen the end of that movie.

00:45:28.000 We've all seen the end of that movie.

00:45:29.000 It's a bad ending.

00:45:30.000 People only see the one who made it, the Conor McGregor, the one that makes the big bucks.

00:45:37.000 But it's a very sad movie.

00:45:39.000 It's a very sad truth in the world of fighting.

00:45:43.000 You go to the Hall of Fame of boxing, sometimes you see things like that.

00:45:47.000 You're like, wow, it's unbelievable.

00:45:49.000 Like, you wish you didn't see.

00:45:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:45:53.000 It's very sad, you know?

00:45:54.000 And you need to compete only when you're in...

00:46:00.000 I believe if you want to maintain your well-being and your health...

00:46:03.000 Do it for yourself, but do it also for your family if you don't do it for yourself.

00:46:07.000 Compete while you're in that window.

00:46:10.000 Get your chip, get out of here.

00:46:12.000 I think it's really great that you still enjoy martial arts even after you're done fighting.

00:46:18.000 You still love to train and improve.

00:46:20.000 We were talking about how the fact that you just trained with Freddie Roach, and before this we were talking about how you're going to go to Puerto Rico and train with the Donna Hurt Death Squad.

00:46:28.000 You're going to go down and train with those guys. 0.98

00:46:29.000 You're literally going to go to a fucking island to go do Jiu Jitsu. 0.92

00:46:33.000 I like the confidence that martial arts give me because I started when I was very young and it saved my life because I started when I was bullied in school and it became an habit and if I don't do it, 0.98

00:46:56.000 I'm not happy and I don't feel confident.

00:47:00.000 I remember when I was a kid, I was looking at myself in the mirror and I didn't like myself.

00:47:05.000 I didn't like what I saw in myself because I wanted to change my environment.

00:47:13.000 Martial art taught me that if you want to change your environment, you want to change yourself, you need to love yourself first.

00:47:21.000 And I learned how to love myself.

00:47:25.000 I didn't love right away in the beginning who I was, but I loved who I could become.

00:47:32.000 And I wanted to become that person that I visualized, the idea George St. Pierre that I could become.

00:47:42.000 That's when I started training.

00:47:44.000 And that's when I started looking at people in the eyes instead of looking down.

00:47:50.000 And when I shake someone's hand, I have firm grip.

00:47:53.000 And when the teacher was asking a question before, I was always like this, always the last to answer.

00:47:58.000 Now I was taking charge.

00:47:59.000 Hey, I know the answer.

00:48:00.000 Five plus five, it's ten, for example.

00:48:02.000 Yeah.

00:48:03.000 I exteriorize myself.

00:48:05.000 I got out of my comfort zone.

00:48:07.000 And it start building up my confidence.

00:48:10.000 And you know, like in life, the bully, it's like a predatory animal.

00:48:15.000 It will never hunt the strong alpha male.

00:48:17.000 It will go for the weak.

00:48:19.000 And it's the same thing. 0.99

00:48:20.000 So I wish I could tell you I get out of my bullying Because I kick all their ass, because I've learned karate. 0.98

00:48:27.000 But that's not how it happened. 0.98

00:48:28.000 It happened because I gained confidence.

00:48:31.000 And by gaining confidence, I became someone different.

00:48:34.000 I became a different person.

00:48:35.000 And that's why I like to go to Puerto Rico to train.

00:48:38.000 Because if I don't have martial art, if I walk to a place, Perhaps it's the remnants of what happened in the past for me.

00:48:46.000 I will not feel confidence.

00:48:47.000 Maybe it left a scar in my mind.

00:48:50.000 I'm not a psychologist, but perhaps that's what a psychologist will tell me.

00:48:56.000 It left a big scar.

00:48:59.000 But I think that scar is a gift.

00:49:01.000 It could be.

00:49:02.000 I think it is with you, because I think that scar forces you to continue to grow and learn.

00:49:07.000 And even though your competitive career as a professional and as a champion may or may not be done, depending on whether or not Dana White shows up for a check.

00:49:16.000 You need to show up with a good check and at the right time.

00:49:20.000 So the money and the timing, Dana, very important.

00:49:23.000 Very important.

00:49:24.000 Show up at Wild Card Gym while you see him in the Southpaw's dance.

00:49:28.000 But even if that doesn't happen, what's important is that that gift makes you constantly look to improve yourself.

00:49:36.000 Yeah.

00:49:36.000 Because you know the benefits of that.

00:49:38.000 Even though, like, you would think, like, people listening to this go, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:49:41.000 George St. Pierre is a confidence thing? 0.99

00:49:43.000 Like, you're the fucking, one of the greatest of all time! 0.99

00:49:46.000 If you have, like, a list of, like, the Mount Rushmore of great martial artists, you're on that Mount Rushmore, man. 0.99

00:49:52.000 But still, you're honest.

00:49:54.000 And you're honest about your feelings on these things.

00:49:57.000 And I think it's a very important thing for people to hear because there's a real great benefit for anybody in challenging yourself.

00:50:03.000 It's a great benefit.

00:50:04.000 And it doesn't mean that you have to be a world champion.

00:50:08.000 As a martial artist, comparing yourself to who you used to be is what's important.

00:50:13.000 Who were you last week and who are you now?

00:50:15.000 Are you growing?

00:50:16.000 Are you getting better?

00:50:17.000 Are you learning new skills?

00:50:19.000 Because if you're not, you're doing it wrong.

00:50:21.000 You're supposed to be challenging yourself.

00:50:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:23.000 I think that's the biggest benefit for me.

00:50:29.000 It helped me love myself.

00:50:31.000 I like to be fit.

00:50:33.000 I like to be in good health.

00:50:35.000 That's what martial arts taught me.

00:50:37.000 It's something that changed my life.

00:50:39.000 That's one of the benefits.

00:50:40.000 Of course, if you look at Competition in mixed martial arts, sometimes it has a very violent ending.

00:50:49.000 But what it can bring to an individual, it's so much more positive than what you see sometimes on TV. And I think it would benefit the bullies too.

00:51:02.000 I've always said, like, people say, like, what's the best way to stop bullying?

00:51:05.000 Well, teach everybody how to fight.

00:51:07.000 Because a lot of the reasons why the bullies do it, because they're looking for some sort of external validation.

00:51:11.000 They're looking to dominate people to make themselves feel better.

00:51:14.000 But if they could just learn martial arts, the people that we know that are good at martial arts are some of the nicest people in the world.

00:51:21.000 Like, jujitsu people in particular.

00:51:24.000 They're so nice. 1.00

00:51:25.000 Most people that I know that are just fucking stone-cold killers. 0.99

00:51:29.000 They're so friendly. 1.00

00:51:30.000 They're so nice.

00:51:33.000 You know, I grew up in Canada and I feel very lucky to grow up in Canada.

00:51:37.000 But it's not sometimes because you grow up in a nice place that nice things happen.

00:51:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:44.000 Everybody can face different adversity.

00:51:46.000 And I think it's important to love yourself, to accept yourself as a person in order to change your surrounding.

00:51:57.000 And it's very important in life and everything.

00:52:01.000 You know, like if you want to...

00:52:02.000 If you want to do good, you have to look at yourself in the mirror and accept who you are and try to be who you want to become.

00:52:09.000 You said it once, I believe you said, you know, We talk about loving yourself.

00:52:16.000 Sometimes you love yourself a lot.

00:52:18.000 Sometimes you don't, right?

00:52:19.000 Because we all do things that we regret.

00:52:22.000 Sometimes nobody's perfect. 0.99

00:52:23.000 Sometimes I look at myself in the mirror and I'm like, man, I just did something very stupid. 0.83

00:52:27.000 I don't really love myself. 0.94

00:52:28.000 Sometimes I love myself a lot.

00:52:30.000 But you said it like you're not the person who you were in the past.

00:52:35.000 You're the person who you are now.

00:52:36.000 And I remember I've learned that from you.

00:52:39.000 And it was a great quote that inspired me.

00:52:42.000 And it's the truth.

00:52:43.000 Because we all learn.

00:52:44.000 You know, sometimes we talk about someone, oh, I don't want it.

00:52:47.000 But that person is not the same that you met in the past.

00:52:49.000 He perhaps is different.

00:52:51.000 Perhaps he's better or maybe he's worse.

00:52:55.000 Maybe he's worse.

00:52:56.000 That's right.

00:52:56.000 Yeah, you have to internalize that.

00:52:58.000 Just because you've made mistakes, you are not the person who you were when you were at your lowest mistake.

00:53:04.000 You have to realize those mistakes, although they're very painful, they're very valuable.

00:53:07.000 Because they teach you how you want to never be again.

00:53:12.000 If you don't experience yourself at a low point, you don't know how bad it is.

00:53:16.000 You have to experience those bad moments to know, like, oh, I'm capable of complete, total failure.

00:53:22.000 That's right.

00:53:22.000 Now I have to never allow myself to get to that place again.

00:53:26.000 And for many fighters, there's fighters where they quit in a fight, and then they always quit. 0.88

00:53:34.000 But some fighters quit and they're like, I'll never fucking quit again. 0.72

00:53:37.000 And they grow stronger because of that. 0.97

00:53:39.000 So sometimes people say, well once a quitter, always a quitter. 1.00

00:53:41.000 I say bullshit. 1.00

00:53:43.000 That's right. 0.99

00:53:43.000 Because some guys have quit and because of that they're more dangerous than ever. 0.99

00:53:47.000 Because they had to go home and live with themselves because of that quitting. 0.99

00:53:50.000 And they fucking hate it. 0.98

00:53:51.000 So they train harder than ever and they're terrified of that weakness. 0.99

00:53:55.000 So they're a horrifying fighter to face because they've faced the worst possible feeling you can face.

00:54:00.000 Sometimes the worst feeling you can face as a fighter is not loss, but failing yourself, knowing that you could have done more, but quitting.

00:54:10.000 Joe, I'm happy I'm in Vegas because last time I'm in...

00:54:13.000 You talk about quitting.

00:54:14.000 Last time I came in Vegas...

00:54:16.000 Not in Vegas, I mean in Houston.

00:54:18.000 Last time I came in Houston...

00:54:20.000 I had a very bad memory of Houston.

00:54:23.000 Matt Serra.

00:54:23.000 That's when I got knocked out by Matt Serra.

00:54:27.000 Tell me about that fight.

00:54:28.000 Houston was a nightmare for me.

00:54:31.000 And now I have a chance to redeem myself.

00:54:34.000 And I really loved Houston.

00:54:36.000 Houston people are like, everybody's been so nice to me.

00:54:39.000 The food is fantastic.

00:54:40.000 But when I fought Matt Serra, you talk about quitting.

00:54:43.000 I was blamed.

00:54:45.000 Because everybody saw me at the time like the best new thing.

00:54:48.000 And I was fighting a guy that the odds were incredibly in my favor.

00:54:54.000 I don't remember.

00:54:55.000 I think it was 11 to 1. And when I lost, I got punched by a looping punch that I never saw coming.

00:55:03.000 And I got dizzy and I made the mistake to try to get back into the fight right away.

00:55:08.000 And boom, boom, boom, I end up on my back and...

00:55:11.000 I knew that it was finished for me because I didn't know where I was.

00:55:15.000 So I turn on the side and I tap on strike.

00:55:18.000 And then a lot of people say, oh, he tapped on strike.

00:55:22.000 He's a quitter.

00:55:23.000 But people, sometimes they should understand, they should know when they're done.

00:55:30.000 Why would I take unnecessary damage and be unconscious?

00:55:38.000 I was able to save myself perhaps for another day.

00:55:41.000 And those extra punches that perhaps I would have taken and knocked me out cold, Would have made it in a way that I would have perhaps because the brain damage never have to be able to come back and have the greatest run that I had after.

00:56:00.000 So when you say you quit, it's true. 0.95

00:56:04.000 It's not because you quit that it doesn't make you better.

00:56:08.000 Some people say he's a quitter, but you quit perhaps to save yourself.

00:56:12.000 Maybe there's a reason.

00:56:13.000 But the experience that I went through, it was the most humiliating moment of my career.

00:56:21.000 I wouldn't say to my life because I had worse thing in the past.

00:56:26.000 But in my career, it was no doubt the most humiliating moment.

00:56:30.000 And it was a nightmare for me.

00:56:32.000 It became an obsession.

00:56:34.000 It was always in the back of my head and I never wanted this thing to ever happen again. 0.96

00:56:39.000 And then, I remember during the fight of Carlos Condit, I got kicked in the head and I got dropped on my butt like this. 0.68

00:56:50.000 And that...

00:56:52.000 Scenarios that happen with Matt Serra is playing in my mind.

00:56:57.000 Sometimes in the fight, the time stops.

00:56:59.000 And it's like in Rocky, you know, like you see, it goes slow motion and you have time to think about stuff that seems to take more times.

00:57:11.000 So I'm in my butt and I see Carlos Condit coming to me and I'm like, I've seen this before.

00:57:17.000 And I know now that if I try to stand up right away to get back in the fight because of my ego to show him that I'm not hurt and show the people that I'm not hurt, I might get knocked out.

00:57:30.000 So I step on my ego, I lean back, I use the guard, the shield to parry the punches and I'm able to survive it because now I know that It's the loss of Matt Serra and the experience that I gained from it that made me survive that kick to the head that Carlos Condit gave me.

00:57:51.000 Isn't that interesting how that bad moment was so valuable?

00:57:55.000 That kind of experience is so valuable.

00:57:58.000 There's very often in life negative experience that you don't understand At the time, because you go through a depressive moment.

00:58:09.000 But later on in your life, you'll be like, man, that thing's helped me.

00:58:15.000 Like when I was bullied in school, I was always complaining about myself.

00:58:21.000 It was a very negative experience for me.

00:58:24.000 But now I know that it helped me to deal with the mental warfare that I have to deal with in my career in mixed martial arts.

00:58:33.000 Because in mixed martial arts, it's a lot of mind games.

00:58:36.000 I was able to put a shield on myself because of the experience I had in bullying.

00:58:42.000 You could say whatever you want to me.

00:58:45.000 It would never affect me.

00:58:47.000 And of course, the UFC, the way they promote the fight, they would say, oh, I've never seen George St-Pierre like this.

00:58:52.000 He's mad.

00:58:53.000 He's mad. 1.00

00:58:53.000 But that was bullshit. 1.00

00:58:55.000 That was just promoted to fight. 1.00

00:58:56.000 Exactly.

00:58:56.000 Because the fight are promoted on emotions.

00:58:59.000 But the fight are not won on emotions or won on mundane things that you do every day.

00:59:06.000 But there are moments in your career that I remember you being very angry.

00:59:10.000 One of them was a BJ Penn fight.

00:59:11.000 You almost stopped BJ Penn, the round ended, and you jumped up and punched the cage.

00:59:18.000 Yes.

00:59:18.000 Remember that?

00:59:19.000 Yes.

00:59:19.000 You were still mad.

00:59:20.000 You need to canalize your emotion when you fight.

00:59:25.000 You need to be stoic.

00:59:27.000 No emotion.

00:59:28.000 But there's times that it's time to use your emotion.

00:59:31.000 But to use it to propel you.

00:59:35.000 To use it to motivate you to be able, for example, to finish the round with more energy.

00:59:41.000 Even though you're physically exhausted, you use those emotions to push yourself.

00:59:47.000 But the emotion is a little bit like a fire.

00:59:50.000 It can help you cook your food, but it can burn you.

00:59:54.000 It's like fear.

00:59:58.000 If you have a huge ego, like I have an incredible ego.

01:00:03.000 I'm very, very proud.

01:00:05.000 I'm a very proud person, which helped me be a better fighter, but also it's an issue with some time in life.

01:00:13.000 If I use my emotion when I get hit, like I did for Matissero, because I wanted to give it back to him right away.

01:00:19.000 I didn't like to be stunned.

01:00:21.000 I've never been stunned in my life, never.

01:00:23.000 It was the first time that I got stunned, and for me it was humiliating.

01:00:28.000 He humiliated me.

01:00:30.000 So I wanted to give it back right away so we can shut everybody's mouth and, you know, I can say, you see, it was just a little mistake and that's it.

01:00:37.000 But if you use it for that particular thing, it could be a big mistake.

01:00:43.000 You need to canalize it.

01:00:45.000 And knowing when it's time to use your emotion.

01:00:48.000 You keep it inside of you.

01:00:50.000 And when it's time, you let it explode.

01:00:53.000 Isn't that interesting where some fights that people love are really not the way you're supposed to fight?

01:00:58.000 Like a great example is Arturo Gatti and Mickey Ward.

01:01:02.000 Oh, God.

01:01:03.000 Everybody loves those fights, including me.

01:01:05.000 Absolutely, I loved it.

01:01:06.000 Those fights were amazing.

01:01:07.000 But if that was one of my fighters, I'd be like, stop.

01:01:10.000 And then Arturo Gatti in the third fight, I think it was the third fight where he outboxed him, he fought smart.

01:01:16.000 He stayed on his toes, moved around, he popped the jab, he did a lot of footwork and head movement, and he didn't brawl.

01:01:23.000 And he won the fight.

01:01:25.000 One of my favorite boxers of all time, the great Sugary Leonard, did that mistake with Roberto Duran.

01:01:31.000 He stood with him because he wanted to show him that he was a man.

01:01:36.000 But then after he danced, and the second fight, he clearly beat him up.

01:01:40.000 No mass!

01:01:41.000 Yeah, but Duran was fat for that fight.

01:01:44.000 They took advantage of Duran.

01:01:45.000 They knew Duran was partying, so they got him a fight on short notice, and he had to lose a lot of weight, and he had all these cramps, and he just... 1.00

01:01:52.000 He fucked up. 1.00

01:01:54.000 Roberto Duran fucked up. 1.00

01:01:55.000 That's what it was. 1.00

01:01:56.000 I mean, he got fat and he was way out of shape.

01:01:58.000 There's a lot of variables, but in the first fight, clearly, Sugar Ray Lantern, you know, he fought very well, but Duran won that decision.

01:02:06.000 It was just the worst way to fight Duran.

01:02:08.000 Exactly.

01:02:08.000 You can't...

01:02:10.000 I mean, it's good to be tough.

01:02:12.000 It's something that when fights are very close can help you to have an edge.

01:02:17.000 Yeah, but don't be tough for no reason.

01:02:18.000 Yeah, you shouldn't rely on it.

01:02:20.000 Especially in a fight, but especially in training, you should not rely on it.

01:02:26.000 We talk about guys leaving their career in the gym.

01:02:30.000 Toughness is not a good thing in the gym.

01:02:31.000 Yeah, you're so right.

01:02:32.000 And it's so hard for people to separate themselves and just say, no, I'm here to work and to improve.

01:02:39.000 The problem is you get tagged. 1.00

01:02:41.000 You're like, oh, you motherfucker. 1.00

01:02:42.000 And the next thing you know, you're in a war in the gym. 1.00

01:02:45.000 And you can only have so many of those.

01:02:47.000 If you have a punch card, this is your life.

01:02:49.000 You have a certain amount of shots you can take where you get really rocked.

01:02:54.000 We're good to go.

01:03:11.000 And it turned out that Marvin Eastman had been KO'd, I believe, twice in the gym leading up to that fight.

01:03:17.000 And it's happened multiple times where you see guys get hit and they go unconscious.

01:03:22.000 And you're like, why did that guy go out so easy?

01:03:24.000 And you go, oh, he got knocked out in the gym before the fight.

01:03:27.000 Yeah, I think what you don't see, that's what knocks you out most of the time.

01:03:33.000 We talk about power, but precision and timing.

01:03:36.000 But it's also...

01:03:38.000 With what I'm baiting you.

01:03:40.000 I'm baiting you to look here, then boom, I come on the other side.

01:03:43.000 Because while you're watching this, you're blind on the other side.

01:03:46.000 And when you get hit a lot, you have blind spots that accumulate in your vision.

01:03:52.000 And now we get into some of what I call secret weapon stuff.

01:03:58.000 Some people have secret weapon, secret knowledge.

01:04:02.000 Knowledge is a weapon.

01:04:06.000 I had a guy when I was training, when I was champion, during my welterweight run, I had a guy in Montreal that was measuring frames.

01:04:17.000 Nobody knows that.

01:04:19.000 He was watching fight and he was making a frame with image.

01:04:24.000 So when someone threw a punch, click, click, click, click.

01:04:27.000 And by doing that, he was able to know who has better reaction times than others.

01:04:33.000 So if you watch my first fight with BJ Penn, I had a horrible first round.

01:04:41.000 And that fight was very competitive, you know, all the way to the end, you know, like very, very tight fight.

01:04:48.000 I went into that fight.

01:04:52.000 Without that knowledge.

01:04:54.000 And normally when I was competing, I used to always be the fastest guy.

01:04:59.000 When I fought BJ Penn, he was so freaking fast.

01:05:04.000 He was in his prime.

01:05:06.000 And I remember normally when I go first, I always touch the target.

01:05:11.000 But BJ Penn, I couldn't touch him.

01:05:12.000 He was so fast.

01:05:13.000 My jab didn't work because he was always like avoiding it and coming back with a counter punch or, you know, counter jab.

01:05:22.000 And he messed me up real fast.

01:05:23.000 So I had to the second and third round.

01:05:26.000 I had to change my strategy to wrestling.

01:05:28.000 I won the fight by an inch.

01:05:32.000 After I met that guy, he's not a scientist, he's a guy that does that for fun.

01:05:37.000 And he showed me what he did.

01:05:40.000 And I thought it was just incredible.

01:05:42.000 It was like a secret weapon, secret knowledge that nobody knows.

01:05:45.000 He told me BJ Penn has the fastest reaction time of all the UFC roster that he couldn't measure.

01:05:51.000 And the way he did it is when you throw a punch or a kick, How much frame it takes him to react to that body stimuli.

01:06:03.000 And I know that BJ Penn had the fastest reaction time.

01:06:07.000 Lyoto Merchido, by the way, was second place.

01:06:09.000 Really?

01:06:10.000 Yes, yes.

01:06:11.000 But this, over time, can change because your brain can punch and, you know, so things change.

01:06:17.000 Body slowly.

01:06:18.000 Yes.

01:06:18.000 I'm talking about prime BJ Penn.

01:06:21.000 I knew BJ Penn had the best reaction time, but I knew also he had a poor reset time.

01:06:26.000 And poor reset time is the guy told me that when I fought BJ Penn the second time, I knew that if I come into the fight, I couldn't go first because he was too fast.

01:06:38.000 What I did is...

01:06:40.000 Because the nervous system is like a muscle.

01:06:42.000 If you do a lot of reps, you get tired fast.

01:06:45.000 You might be like a sprinter at a very good start, but you will get tired fast.

01:06:50.000 So when I fought BJ Penn the first fight, when I tell you that when you fight someone, there's like a relation that happened up here that nobody sees around.

01:06:59.000 When I fought BJ Penn, I was faking a lot, showing him all these creativity.

01:07:05.000 In the second fight?

01:07:06.000 Yes!

01:07:07.000 Because I wanted to load up his nervous system to make him tired because I knew he had a quick reaction.

01:07:13.000 So he was flinching a lot.

01:07:14.000 I was making him flinch and react.

01:07:16.000 He was getting stiff and stiff and flinching because I want to get it out of his system.

01:07:21.000 So when he got tired and his nervous system is tired, now I could attack.

01:07:26.000 That's why my second fight had much more success against him than in my first fight.

01:07:33.000 Is this something that Feras and you devised?

01:07:37.000 Yes.

01:07:37.000 Because I know Feras talks about that a lot, about overriding someone's, like, overwhelming their system.

01:07:43.000 Yes.

01:07:43.000 With complications, with possibilities.

01:07:46.000 What you want to do is you want to load up his nervous system by showing him different things, different threats, kick, punch, fake it, anything you want to do that stimulates him.

01:08:03.000 If you stay in front of him and you don't move, that will not make him flinch, nothing like this.

01:08:10.000 So you need to make him flinch, even if it's not real, but you need to make him react.

01:08:14.000 And if you make him react...

01:08:16.000 He will flinch and get tired.

01:08:18.000 His nervous system will get tired and he won't.

01:08:20.000 His reaction time will slow down.

01:08:23.000 That's why I was able to get him.

01:08:25.000 And that's why I was able to figure out a lot of guys that I was fighting.

01:08:30.000 Because we had that information that nobody has.

01:08:34.000 A lot of people have different tricks.

01:08:37.000 It's like a war.

01:08:39.000 The American had the atomic bomb.

01:08:42.000 In fighting, we have that knowledge.

01:08:45.000 So watching, studying film, and breaking down the amount of frames.

01:08:49.000 Yes!

01:08:50.000 That's how we did it.

01:08:51.000 That's one of the secret weapon I had.

01:08:54.000 And now I'm sure some other guys use it as well.

01:08:58.000 Well, you had different approaches to different fighters too.

01:09:00.000 It's really interesting if you look at your career, you had a different approach to Thiago Alves, then you did to Josh Koscheck, then you did to John Fitch.

01:09:08.000 Every fight, you came in with a different strategy and a different approach.

01:09:11.000 Yes, and I knew also with that guy, That certain people have different blind spots.

01:09:18.000 For example, if you look at Chuck Liddell, you get caught very often with the same punch, the same looping punch.

01:09:25.000 My weakness for me, personally, I'm telling you, it was the things that come from under.

01:09:33.000 Because...

01:09:34.000 Because the stance I was always in, you know, more like a karate stance, lower stance, my stance was wider, ready for a takedown.

01:09:43.000 Because I was kind of looking up a little bit.

01:09:46.000 And if you look up, the thing that comes from under, you don't see it as well.

01:09:54.000 If you fight tall, you look down.

01:09:57.000 The thing that comes from the top, you see it as well.

01:10:01.000 So Chuck Liddell was more upright.

01:10:04.000 Things that come from the top.

01:10:06.000 And that you can study.

01:10:08.000 It's a blind spot.

01:10:10.000 And it's important to know.

01:10:11.000 It's very important to know.

01:10:13.000 And I'm aware of it.

01:10:15.000 When I decided to make the comeback against Bisping, first it was Luke Rockle that was the champion.

01:10:21.000 So I was, you know, nobody knew at the time, but we were...

01:10:26.000 Thinking about the comeback, when John brought me that idea, we were thinking about how could we fight.

01:10:33.000 It was Luke Rockall at the time.

01:10:35.000 And before Luke Rockall, I would never have made it because it was Chris Weinman.

01:10:40.000 And Chris Weinman is a teammate, is part of the same team.

01:10:42.000 I would never go up and challenge a guy from the same team.

01:10:45.000 But when it was Luke Rockall, I was, you know, looking at it.

01:10:50.000 And we were starting to, you know, because I'm always...

01:10:53.000 I always liked to be ahead of the curve, so I was trying to think about these kinds of stuff and study them.

01:10:59.000 But then Bisping messed up all the plan and I had to re-switch and learn about Bisping, you know?

01:11:05.000 So it was an interesting time.

01:11:07.000 But these are...

01:11:09.000 When you talk about secret weapons that fighters have, secret knowledge, these are one of the things.

01:11:15.000 And you don't talk about those things when you're an active fighter because you keep it for yourself.

01:11:21.000 And now...

01:11:23.000 There is a lot of stuff that now I see a lot of other guys are doing it, but back in the day, not much people did it.

01:11:31.000 Like tests with the eyes, it helps for a blind spot.

01:11:33.000 I had a doctor in Montreal that does that.

01:11:36.000 You know, like beep, [...

01:11:41.000 Reactions?

01:11:41.000 Yeah, I believe, like, I mean, there is no scientific proof.

01:11:47.000 But I do believe it increases your reaction times and it can help with blind spots.

01:11:53.000 A lot of people do things where they touch those lights.

01:11:55.000 Yes.

01:11:56.000 Like they have those light things and they do this just to try to increase reaction times.

01:12:00.000 In Montreal, when I get ready for fight, I have the same thing with lights.

01:12:03.000 I see and I have symbols.

01:12:04.000 Different symbols is different feet.

01:12:06.000 Sometimes it's one feet, left feet, sometimes it's right.

01:12:09.000 So because the feet, it takes more time for my nervous system to get the information and move my feet.

01:12:16.000 So that's why the doctor told me he did it with the feet.

01:12:20.000 However, I don't know if it clearly makes a difference because fighting is very specific.

01:12:26.000 But what I can tell you for sure, and this is from my experiences, if I do that kind of training, because I've done the mistake before, if I do that nervous system training and then I'm going to do a gymnastic training, My next training is horrible.

01:12:40.000 I have the worst training.

01:12:41.000 So it burns your nervous system.

01:12:44.000 And it's really true.

01:12:45.000 This I can guarantee you from my experience that is the truth.

01:12:49.000 So I would never do that and go spar.

01:12:51.000 Even though it's not physically demanding.

01:12:56.000 But it's very taxing on the nervous system.

01:13:00.000 Same way you overwhelm BJ Penn with the faints.

01:13:03.000 Exactly.

01:13:04.000 So it's like my nervous system is so tired that when I try to do a...

01:13:08.000 Like a half tuck flip.

01:13:11.000 I couldn't even do it.

01:13:12.000 I was all messed up.

01:13:13.000 And I remember, man, bro, I almost hurt myself one time because of it.

01:13:17.000 I did this training and like two hours after I went to do gymnastics, I almost hurt myself.

01:13:22.000 And my gymnastic coach told me, I remember I said, what's wrong, George?

01:13:25.000 I said, I don't know, man.

01:13:27.000 I think I've done my...

01:13:29.000 We call it Apex.

01:13:30.000 I did the Apex training for the nervous system and blind spot and reaction time.

01:13:34.000 I think I messed up, so I changed my training for something more slow.

01:13:40.000 But man, I was really messed up.

01:13:43.000 So that's why it's a real thing.

01:13:46.000 It's not Fugazi.

01:13:47.000 If you fake the guy, you make him flinch, you make him react, you stimulate his nervous system with all kinds of different threats, he will get tired and that will work.

01:13:58.000 That makes sense.

01:13:59.000 It's a thing.

01:14:01.000 Young fighters, pay attention to this.

01:14:03.000 This is the future, guys.

01:14:04.000 Can you increase your endurance in that?

01:14:06.000 As you do it over time, you can do it more easily, more efficiently?

01:14:10.000 So, once again, you need to talk to a neurologist, a doctor that specializes in it, but they believe that you can increase it.

01:14:21.000 And I believe, personally, that the best fighter in the world Are the ones that have the best nervous system.

01:14:27.000 It's not about muscle.

01:14:29.000 It's about, look guys, some of the guys, you know, they don't look like Greek gods, you know, statue, you know?

01:14:39.000 But they do very well because I believe their nervous system, you know, they got good timing, good reaction times.

01:14:45.000 That's a real thing.

01:14:46.000 I think it is a real thing, and I think it makes sense that you could get better endurance at that, just like you can get better at doing anything, whether it's running or hitting the bag or sparring or jiu-jitsu.

01:14:56.000 It makes sense that if you just did those reaction time drills over and over again, it would increase your reaction time.

01:15:01.000 However, I believe fighting is very specific.

01:15:05.000 Doing this exercise with the DOT, it might help your nervous system to be good at this game.

01:15:12.000 However, if you want to be good for fighters, I think it can cross over a little bit.

01:15:19.000 But it's like a little bit saying that doing bench press will make me punch harder.

01:15:24.000 I do not think so.

01:15:25.000 You know, there's certain fighters.

01:15:27.000 Like, what did you think about, like, Max Holloway for, in my opinion, one of his finest performances was against Calvin Cater, and he didn't spar at all.

01:15:36.000 And another one is, you know, Cedric Dumbay?

01:15:39.000 Cedric Dumbay, who fights for glory, who, in my opinion, is one of the greatest...

01:15:43.000 Yeah, French guy, yeah.

01:15:43.000 Amazing.

01:15:44.000 He's one of the greatest kickboxers alive.

01:15:45.000 He's my favorite guy to watch in glory. 0.99

01:15:47.000 He's fucking incredible. 0.99

01:15:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:15:49.000 All his training is physical training.

01:15:51.000 All his training is hitting the bag, sparring, hitting mitts, doing sprints.

01:15:55.000 I saw him work out.

01:15:57.000 He came to my, did my podcast, and then I had my gym in my old, in Los Angeles, I had a full gym.

01:16:03.000 So I had a treadmill, heavy bag, the whole deal.

01:16:05.000 And so I got to watch them run through a typical training.

01:16:09.000 And everything is sprint recovery, sprint recovery.

01:16:13.000 So he would get on, you know, I had an air runner, you know where those are?

01:16:17.000 The treadmill where it's self-propelled.

01:16:19.000 Yeah, you have to move it yourself.

01:16:20.000 So it's more difficult than a regular treadmill.

01:16:23.000 So he's just...

01:16:23.000 He's like, time!

01:16:26.000 And then he's like, got 15 seconds.

01:16:29.000 They put the gloves on him.

01:16:30.000 He's like, ready?

01:16:31.000 Go! 0.95

01:16:31.000 He goes over to the back. 0.95

01:16:32.000 Ba-ba-ba-boom! 0.94

01:16:33.000 Ba-ba-ba-boom! 0.94

01:16:34.000 Ba-ba-boom! 0.99

01:16:34.000 So he has unbelievable resources in terms of his ability to sprint, recover, sprint, recover. 0.99

01:16:40.000 So that's all his training.

01:16:42.000 His training is all that.

01:16:43.000 All of his hitting pads. 0.99

01:16:44.000 He told me he doesn't even have a fucking kickboxing coach anymore. 0.99

01:16:47.000 He does not spar? 0.99

01:16:48.000 No!

01:16:50.000 There's...

01:16:51.000 He's super talented, too, though.

01:16:53.000 Yes, I know he is.

01:16:55.000 I really enjoy watching fights.

01:16:58.000 And playful, as well.

01:16:59.000 I think that's part of what makes him so good, too.

01:17:02.000 He's got a playful confidence to him.

01:17:04.000 I think...

01:17:07.000 I think he sparred before many times.

01:17:11.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:11.000 Definitely.

01:17:12.000 So the experience, it's a little bit like Jean-Charles Skarbusky, one of my coaches, told me it's like a bicycle.

01:17:18.000 In the beginning, when you start, you have to push hard, push hard, and then after, it's very easy.

01:17:24.000 You just need to do it.

01:17:25.000 I think that's how it is in combat sport.

01:17:28.000 Where Skowboski used to show up drunk, right?

01:17:30.000 He showed up drunk to your place of the Ultimate Fighter when you had him coach people.

01:17:33.000 It's one of my favorite clips on the Ultimate Fighter.

01:17:36.000 He shows up with a drink, partying all night, shows up to train. 0.99

01:17:40.000 He's fucking hammered. 1.00

01:17:42.000 And he gets in there, he's tripping people, dumping them, kicking their ass. 1.00

01:17:46.000 That's right, because he's very efficient. 0.99

01:17:48.000 That's why I believe if you're efficient...

01:17:52.000 You don't need to turn it on so much.

01:17:54.000 You don't need to spar as much.

01:17:56.000 And one thing I do a lot personally, I do not spar as much as people think.

01:18:01.000 I do a lot of reaction drills.

01:18:03.000 Like, let's say you throw me a jab, I will practice, you know, like the parry, come back with the hook.

01:18:10.000 So I learn how to...

01:18:13.000 How to read your body signature.

01:18:18.000 And I do it, the more you do it with different people, the better you are at learning the body signature.

01:18:25.000 That's why I had great takedowns.

01:18:27.000 People think it's my wrestling that give me those takedowns.

01:18:31.000 It's karate.

01:18:32.000 And the drills that I do, the drills that I repeat.

01:18:36.000 Yes, the blitz and also the fact that I'm not necessarily inspiring.

01:18:40.000 I drill a lot with people.

01:18:43.000 I have two kinds of takedowns that I really enjoy that I believe are very efficient and economical.

01:18:48.000 The reactive takedown and the proactive takedown.

01:18:52.000 Proactive is when I, myself, instigate the takedown.

01:18:55.000 I will throw something to distract my opponent, perhaps a jab, because I like it.

01:19:00.000 It's one of my longest weapons.

01:19:03.000 Against his nearest point, like Bruce Lee says.

01:19:06.000 Normally it would be the tie kick, but I use my jab for this.

01:19:10.000 I jab his hand, and then I go, because it's a distraction.

01:19:13.000 This is the proactive take down.

01:19:15.000 The reactive take down, it's when I bait him.

01:19:18.000 To throw punches and come forward to me.

01:19:21.000 I beat him like I'm scared, you know?

01:19:22.000 Like I'm fighting him and I'm playing like I'm scared.

01:19:25.000 It's a relation that I have with the other guy.

01:19:28.000 It's not only physical.

01:19:29.000 I'm trying to make you believe that I'm scared.

01:19:32.000 I'm here.

01:19:33.000 So I want you to go and try to knock me out. 0.99

01:19:36.000 Boom! 0.99

01:19:36.000 I put you down. 0.99

01:19:38.000 These are very important when you fight.

01:19:40.000 You need to do these things.

01:19:42.000 So I don't think when you have the experience, sparring is very important because sparring is very different than the timing that you will face in the fight.

01:19:53.000 However, I'm still saying that sparring is the most similar thing that you will have to face when you compete in mixed martial arts.

01:20:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:20:04.000 But it's still very different.

01:20:07.000 And I think also that when you are in great shape, the thing is, if you're in great shape for a fight, You know, you will have more, better creativity.

01:20:20.000 Because when you get tired, it's like a horse, you know, who has like a mask like this.

01:20:26.000 Your creativity diminish.

01:20:29.000 And you always go back to what you do best.

01:20:31.000 It's like, oh, you forgot all the other things.

01:20:34.000 And we talked about like performance enhancing drugs.

01:20:37.000 And sometimes they say, oh, it's not the punch that knock you out.

01:20:39.000 That's the favorite excuses of people who are cheating.

01:20:42.000 But if...

01:20:44.000 You would not have used these things.

01:20:46.000 You wouldn't have the physical abilities that you have.

01:20:50.000 And perhaps you would have been shrink like this and you wouldn't have that creativity.

01:20:55.000 So that's what I'm saying.

01:20:59.000 Creativity is very important for a fighter.

01:21:01.000 And sometimes creativity is linked directly with physical condition.

01:21:06.000 Yes.

01:21:08.000 That's what I found so interesting about Cedric Dumbe is being there and watching him train at my gym. 0.94

01:21:14.000 I was like, oh, it was very enlightening because I've seen him fight before and he's fucking gas tank's incredible. 0.76

01:21:21.000 And he sees guys wither. 0.96

01:21:23.000 They start to wither.

01:21:24.000 And then he comes on and he knocks them out.

01:21:26.000 But it's because he can keep up a pace they can't keep up.

01:21:29.000 Yes. 0.99

01:21:29.000 Because his training is fucking ruthless, man. 0.99

01:21:32.000 It's all sprinting. 1.00

01:21:33.000 It's all...

01:21:34.000 He's on a treadmill.

01:21:37.000 Get to the back.

01:21:38.000 15, 13, 14, go!

01:21:41.000 Bang! 1.00

01:21:42.000 Bang! 1.00

01:21:43.000 So his body is conditioned to have a much higher threshold for endurance than the average fighter who's just doing normal mitt work, normal bag work, normal road work.

01:21:54.000 Everything he's doing is like sprint recovery.

01:21:56.000 And he has a really good physical trainer that came with him to the podcast.

01:22:00.000 And the guy waited, and then afterwards they did their workout together.

01:22:03.000 And I got a chance to watch him.

01:22:04.000 I was like, oh!

01:22:05.000 And you see how successful he is in glory. 0.99

01:22:07.000 He's fucking amazing. 0.99

01:22:08.000 Yeah, but I'm sure he put on the work. 0.99

01:22:12.000 He did his time in sparring.

01:22:15.000 So he's perhaps, if I make the analogy, like on a bicycle, but he climbed the hill already.

01:22:21.000 Now he's just like maintaining by doing...

01:22:25.000 Physical exercise.

01:22:26.000 The same as Max Holloway.

01:22:27.000 Like, Max Holloway said that.

01:22:28.000 He goes, look, I already know how to fight.

01:22:30.000 I know how to do that.

01:22:31.000 I've already done that.

01:22:32.000 And if you look at Max Holloway's fights and all of his time in the gym and then his kickboxing fights before he ever fought in MMA, he's got all this striking and all this timing already down.

01:22:42.000 So for him, it's like, why take the big hits?

01:22:45.000 He understands it now.

01:22:46.000 It's mostly reaction drills and endurance.

01:22:49.000 And Max is another one.

01:22:50.000 Tremendous endurance.

01:22:51.000 And also, tremendous ability to take a punch.

01:22:54.000 It's one of the most underrated things about Max that people forget.

01:22:57.000 He's never even been knocked down.

01:22:58.000 And he's been in wars.

01:23:00.000 He has a tremendous chin.

01:23:02.000 And I think part of that chin, particularly in the fights, the most recent fights, is the fact that he's not taking any damage in training.

01:23:09.000 Yeah, Tony Ferguson is another one.

01:23:10.000 I saw him in wildcard.

01:23:12.000 He says, hey, he doesn't spar apparently, and he's an amazing fighter.

01:23:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:18.000 Also, another thing, we talk about brain damage.

01:23:22.000 It's also the volume.

01:23:24.000 A lot of guys, I think...

01:23:25.000 And that's one thing I realized.

01:23:27.000 I think I did too much.

01:23:29.000 We have this tendency of always wanting to do more and more.

01:23:35.000 But more is not better.

01:23:38.000 More intelligent.

01:23:39.000 Intelligent is better.

01:23:40.000 You gotta know when to pull it back.

01:23:41.000 Yes, you burn yourself out.

01:23:43.000 And that's one thing too.

01:23:45.000 If the fight in mixed martial art is 15, perhaps 25 minutes, you want to know...

01:23:53.000 How much intensity you can give for that amount of time, not for two hours.

01:24:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:02.000 And this is where the training differ in, for example, in jujitsu, wrestling, and mixed martial art.

01:24:10.000 And that's when you need to be smart.

01:24:15.000 I believe if you get accustomed to a jujitsu pace, When you compete in mixed martial arts, you might have a hard time to adapt because Jiu Jitsu is a slower pace.

01:24:28.000 It's not as dynamic.

01:24:30.000 One thing I did to get ready for my fight with Michael Bisping to make me more opportunist, John's was making me do 3 minute rounds.

01:24:40.000 Instead of doing five-minute rounds, because you're never going to spend an entire five minutes on the ground in MMA, it's very unlikely.

01:24:47.000 Normally, you'll have like three-minute rounds, and then you have like perhaps, like I was taking a minute off, then another guy, three minutes.

01:24:54.000 So it made me roll at a higher pace, more importantness.

01:25:00.000 So when I was switching partner, I knew I had only three minutes.

01:25:04.000 I was giving everything I had in three minutes because I wanted to submit him.

01:25:08.000 I was more hungry.

01:25:09.000 And I knew after that I could recuperate and do the same thing to the next guy.

01:25:15.000 But if I'm going with a guy of five minutes, man, I knew if I submit him, I have another maybe two minutes left, so I'm going to cast out.

01:25:24.000 So I become...

01:25:28.000 I made myself used to a different pace.

01:25:32.000 And that's what I believe.

01:25:33.000 And same thing in wrestling. 0.88

01:25:34.000 In wrestling training, in wrestling competition, you spend hours in competition.

01:25:40.000 Then you have a match, then you relax.

01:25:42.000 Then you have another match.

01:25:43.000 So the wrestling training that I have in Montreal, that's how it's designed.

01:25:49.000 It's normal because it's for a wrestling competitor.

01:25:53.000 However, for martial art, especially when my fight is coming up, I need to modify that.

01:26:00.000 So I don't stay as long in the room as the other guys.

01:26:03.000 I get there, do my warm-up, do my matches, my live match, shake in, thank you, bye-bye.

01:26:10.000 Same thing in Jiu-Jitsu.

01:26:11.000 When I was getting ready for Michael Bisping, I was going with some of the monsters from the squad.

01:26:17.000 You know, Gordon Ryan, Gary Tonin, Jake Shield was there.

01:26:21.000 I had an incredible elite team with me.

01:26:23.000 It was unbelievable.

01:26:24.000 I was very well prepared.

01:26:26.000 So, if I would have had perhaps the same opportunity I had with that choke, maybe I would not have been...

01:26:37.000 Willing to take it if I would have had it earlier in my career because I was more on a slower pace, grappling pace, so to speak.

01:26:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:46.000 I was more on a control pace, ground and pound, instead of a finishing... 0.95

01:26:52.000 That rear naked choke that you hit on Michael Bisping is one of the best rear naked chokes I've ever seen. 0.92

01:26:58.000 It was perfect. 0.96

01:26:59.000 It was so tight, too.

01:27:01.000 And it wasn't like this, right?

01:27:03.000 With the hand with the palm on the back of the head.

01:27:05.000 It was perfect.

01:27:07.000 It was so sunk in, man.

01:27:09.000 It was so sunk in.

01:27:10.000 It was so nice.

01:27:11.000 The people, they make the mistake sometimes when they have a rear naked choke, they go like this.

01:27:16.000 And also, they try to pull.

01:27:17.000 You don't want to pull.

01:27:18.000 You want to crunch your abs.

01:27:20.000 And that's...

01:27:23.000 I think I was able to do that because the way that my training was designed, I became more opportunist.

01:27:30.000 I had more like a killer's instinct.

01:27:33.000 And sometimes guys tend to say that, oh, you lose that with time.

01:27:36.000 But I think you can get it back.

01:27:38.000 It's just the way you design your training.

01:27:40.000 And if you always go with training partner who are just as good or better than you, It will make you practice your defense and it might decrease your creativity in offense in a way that you know because if you know if you if you try something that miss you might get cut right so I believe even if you're a champion if you're an elite you need to go with guys that are your level but also guys that are not as good as you Eddie Bravo always

01:28:10.000 stressed this he always said the best way to get good at jujitsu is to spar with blue belts Roger Gracie, when he moved to England, that's when he became so successful.

01:28:22.000 Because he was training with people that had no business being on the mat with him.

01:28:25.000 Exactly.

01:28:25.000 So he got reps.

01:28:26.000 Man, his offense got so much better.

01:28:29.000 And I remember at that time, a lot of people thought that he would...

01:28:33.000 His level would decrease because he moved to England.

01:28:35.000 It went the opposite way.

01:28:37.000 And I remember when I first started my career in mixed martial arts, I didn't have any training partner to go with.

01:28:44.000 I had like David Loiseau.

01:28:47.000 I had Patrick Cote, I had Dennis Kang.

01:28:49.000 Once a week, all the Canadian fighters we used to meet once a week and train and spar.

01:28:56.000 And then see you next week.

01:28:58.000 And if you had a bad training session that Friday, it messed up your whole weekend.

01:29:04.000 Anyway, for me, that's how it was because I became obsessed.

01:29:06.000 I was like, man, I'm going to get him next weekend.

01:29:09.000 And you start thinking about all what you should have done.

01:29:12.000 And then the next week, you redeem yourself, you know?

01:29:15.000 Yes.

01:29:16.000 But that's how it was, you know what I mean?

01:29:18.000 Like, when I was saying, I was talking about, yeah, so you don't need to always go with good guys all the time.

01:29:31.000 So I had these guys on Fridays.

01:29:34.000 But the other days, I was going with guys that are maybe, he's an engineer, that guy is a janitor in a gym buddy.

01:29:41.000 They were my sparring partner.

01:29:43.000 And that's how I developed my takedown dream.

01:29:45.000 My timing for my takedown.

01:29:47.000 That's how I developed my confidence, my timing.

01:29:50.000 Because these guys were not my level.

01:29:52.000 But they were, you know, I did one round with one, then a fresh one come.

01:29:56.000 And later in my career, perhaps I become more conservative as a fighter because I start Going with guys my level.

01:30:05.000 So it makes me train in a way that if I try something new, I might miss and they're going to make me pay the price.

01:30:12.000 So, no, I'm not going to do it.

01:30:14.000 And your training is always reflecting of how the fight will go, I believe.

01:30:19.000 Yeah, and as you were saying earlier, you have to learn to be playful.

01:30:23.000 It's easier to be playful when you're going with someone who's not quite at your level.

01:30:26.000 You have to have a varied diet.

01:30:29.000 You have to have people that are elite, where you have to know what it feels like to be in there against an elite fighter, but also people that aren't as elite so you can practice things.

01:30:39.000 That's right.

01:30:39.000 I think you need to have a big range, a variety of training partners.

01:30:44.000 Yes.

01:30:44.000 Because if you're used to have different training partners, the bigger is your range, the better you will be able to adapt and become the perfect nemesis of different kinds of styles.

01:30:55.000 Oh, a smaller, stockier opponent.

01:30:58.000 Oh, a longer, bigger reach guy.

01:31:01.000 Yes.

01:31:02.000 And I think it's good also...

01:31:05.000 To make it playful, but to make your training partner also that it's a game.

01:31:12.000 You're not there to...

01:31:14.000 It's not about an ego.

01:31:16.000 Yes, exactly.

01:31:18.000 Did John Donaher come up with this idea of you sparring for three minutes instead of five?

01:31:23.000 No, I did.

01:31:23.000 I did.

01:31:24.000 You just decided that the pace was not fast enough?

01:31:26.000 I talked to John and John agreed on it.

01:31:29.000 And I've started doing it in Montreal.

01:31:31.000 And I always ask John.

01:31:33.000 If John would have told me he'd disagree, I would have obeyed to John.

01:31:36.000 Because I think it's important when you're in a training camp.

01:31:41.000 You cannot be the boss.

01:31:42.000 You have to get out of your comfort zone.

01:31:45.000 I agree.

01:31:46.000 We talked about Conor McGregor's last loss.

01:31:51.000 I think Conor can come back.

01:31:53.000 Like he was, and perhaps better than he was, but he needed...

01:31:57.000 You had good advice about that, though.

01:31:58.000 You need to get out of his comfort zone.

01:32:00.000 He cannot be the boss.

01:32:01.000 Because it's easy when you're wealthy, you're healthy, you're wealthy, you got everything you need in the world, you know, you're not hungry anymore.

01:32:09.000 But you need to be willing to do that.

01:32:11.000 It's a sacrifice that needs to be made, especially at the elite level.

01:32:16.000 I think someone on the outside needs to look at what you're doing.

01:32:19.000 You can't look at it objectively yourself.

01:32:21.000 You need someone analyzing.

01:32:23.000 Someone who you implicitly trust.

01:32:25.000 I agree.

01:32:26.000 I agree.

01:32:26.000 Because sometimes it's hard to look at ourselves in the mirror and know ourselves.

01:32:32.000 Especially when you have a big ego, like Connor.

01:32:34.000 Yes.

01:32:35.000 So, you know, for good reasons.

01:32:37.000 I mean, he's very confident.

01:32:38.000 But it's because of his success and because of his ability.

01:32:41.000 He understands what he's capable of.

01:32:43.000 But I don't think that's enough.

01:32:45.000 We say sometimes that you don't want to fix something that is not broken, but I think it's wrong.

01:32:50.000 I think when you're on top, you need to fix something that is not broken because otherwise the sport will catch up to you.

01:32:58.000 You need to innovate.

01:33:00.000 And if you stay there, the sport will catch up to you.

01:33:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:06.000 Of course, Conor, he's not champion and he had a few losses, but you need to have a reality check if you want to stay there and be successful, I believe, you know?

01:33:14.000 And it's broken.

01:33:15.000 It's broken.

01:33:17.000 If it's not broken, don't fix it.

01:33:20.000 Well, it's broken.

01:33:20.000 It is.

01:33:21.000 So you have to fix it.

01:33:22.000 I mean, Dustin clearly broke it.

01:33:24.000 And the low calf kick was never a weapon that was very popular when you were champion.

01:33:32.000 Yeah.

01:33:32.000 Is that fascinating to you that this one thing has emerged that's been one of the most important weapons to learn how to avoid and block and implement?

01:33:42.000 Yeah, it's...

01:33:43.000 Because a lot of guys, their striking background come from Muay Thai.

01:33:48.000 And in Muay Thai, it's not really used because the legs are...

01:33:52.000 The stance is more narrow.

01:33:54.000 So if the stance are more narrow, you can lift and shield it easier.

01:33:59.000 However, in MMA... The octagon is much bigger.

01:34:03.000 The surface which you fight on is bigger.

01:34:06.000 So in order to have a better mobility, most fighters, they adopt a wider stance, which increases your mobility.

01:34:14.000 However, it has a profound effect on how you can shield the kick.

01:34:19.000 I believe the best way to deal with that kick is either get out or either step blitz in with a counter or I developed one that you lift your heel.

01:34:30.000 You completely turn the opposite way.

01:34:32.000 You go with your heel.

01:34:33.000 I was talking to Bas Rutten about it on a shoot.

01:34:36.000 How so?

01:34:36.000 In what way?

01:34:37.000 In Los Angeles.

01:34:39.000 Let's say you don't have time to shield it because you see it coming too late.

01:34:45.000 What you do is you turn around and it's a little bit like you want to... 0.89

01:34:49.000 Like an hamstring exercise, you want to lift your heel to your butt.

01:34:52.000 You go here.

01:34:53.000 It's like the person will hit your foot and might hit your heel.

01:34:57.000 And it works.

01:34:58.000 I've done it.

01:34:58.000 It works.

01:34:59.000 And so you let them sort of kick you and let your leg move with it.

01:35:03.000 Yes.

01:35:04.000 I'm from karate background.

01:35:05.000 So for me, that's the way I would react.

01:35:09.000 Perhaps someone who's from a different background, it won't work as well. 0.98

01:35:14.000 Because I like to stand wide.

01:35:16.000 I like to have better mobility.

01:35:18.000 So it's either you see it coming, you step out.

01:35:20.000 If you're out, if you're too close, you step in, you blitz in.

01:35:25.000 I've done that many times in my fight.

01:35:28.000 And if you're in the middle range and you don't have time, you simply kick your heel up.

01:35:34.000 So people will kick your foot.

01:35:38.000 Yeah, and it works.

01:35:39.000 I've done it.

01:35:39.000 It works.

01:35:40.000 Interesting.

01:35:40.000 Yes.

01:35:41.000 So if you are fighting someone who's standing orthodox and you're standing orthodox, your left leg would be in front and you would just pick it up and they would kick your heel instead of kicking your calf.

01:35:51.000 Yes, and it's a fast move.

01:35:53.000 Because if you try to shield it, you don't have enough time.

01:35:57.000 This movement, because the posterior chain of the leg, the muscles of the posterior chain are much more fast twitch than the one forward.

01:36:06.000 When you sprint, you use your hamstring, you don't use your quad.

01:36:10.000 So when you see something, you need to react quick.

01:36:13.000 You go with the hamstring and the glute and you do that movement.

01:36:17.000 It's much quicker than trying to shield it.

01:36:20.000 Some guys are doing a good job of turning their foot outside though and catching it on the shin instead of catching it on the calf.

01:36:27.000 Did you see Pedro Munoz versus Jimmy Rivera?

01:36:32.000 Good fight, right?

01:36:33.000 Pedro Munoz was landing the calf kicks, but then when Jimmy Rivera was trying to hit him, Pedro was turning his foot outward and catching it right on the shin.

01:36:41.000 Yeah.

01:36:42.000 And it discouraged Jimmy from throwing as many kicks and it was just more effective for Pedro because he was checking them.

01:36:48.000 That would work too.

01:36:50.000 However, depending on your background, once again, I'm from karate background, so I'm used to fight sideways because karate is designed for street fight.

01:36:57.000 You want to protect your center line.

01:36:59.000 If you do that, in the history fight, they will kick you in the balls, you know, because your center line is all open.

01:37:05.000 So when you fight, like me, it would be hard to do because I won't have enough time to turn like that.

01:37:11.000 It depends.

01:37:12.000 Everybody is...

01:37:13.000 There are some techniques that will work for you better than it will work for me and vice versa.

01:37:18.000 You need to find what is good for you.

01:37:20.000 I still think to this day that the most underutilized technique in MMA that I think will eventually be more utilized is the front leg techniques.

01:37:29.000 You see it with Wonderboy in particular.

01:37:32.000 He's really good at like throwing sidekicks and keeping guys off and front leg round kicks. 0.91

01:37:37.000 There was guys when I was doing Taekwondo that were so fucking good with their front leg you couldn't get close to them.

01:37:43.000 And I always felt like, man, if those guys could learn everything else, if those guys could learn Muay Thai, if they could learn takedown defense and jujitsu, they'd be devastating because their front leg was so good. 0.83

01:37:54.000 There was a guy named Larry Jones, and I used to spar with him all the time, and Larry's legs went all the way up the fuck up to here. 0.99

01:37:59.000 It went up to his tits. 1.00

01:38:00.000 It was crazy. 1.00

01:38:01.000 He had the longest legs.

01:38:02.000 I mean, his upper body was like a normal length, but he was like six foot three.

01:38:05.000 But it was all long legs.

01:38:07.000 And when Larry would spar people, He was really light on his foot and relaxed and he would stand sideways and you were terrified of his front leg.

01:38:15.000 You couldn't get close to him because it was like a jab.

01:38:17.000 It was so fast.

01:38:19.000 It's fascinating that you just said Joe because what you just said it's Bruce Lee like talks about it like in his books like When he says, you use your longest weapon against the nearest point of my opponent.

01:38:36.000 Like a jab.

01:38:37.000 Yeah, like you're a sidekick to the thigh, to the knee.

01:38:40.000 I mean, that's what it is.

01:38:42.000 I truly believe.

01:38:45.000 That in martial art, there's three different dimensions, right?

01:38:48.000 They're the competitor, like I do, like in UFC. It's the real thing, you know?

01:38:53.000 It's about timing.

01:38:54.000 There's the choreography, like what you see, for example, on TV, the stuntmen.

01:39:00.000 They are incredible.

01:39:01.000 They do stuff that I cannot do.

01:39:03.000 They are the best in their field.

01:39:05.000 And there's also the philosopher.

01:39:07.000 I would say Bruce Lee, yeah, of course, he could do the two other dimensions.

01:39:13.000 And when you're a martial artist, I think you have all three dimensions, but there is one that you're mostly better at.

01:39:22.000 And Bruce Lee, I believe, what he brings to the world was his philosophy.

01:39:26.000 I think he's known because of his philosophy, not necessarily because Hollywood made him a fighter and everything, but I think the truth is that His philosophy is really the thing that really changed the world.

01:39:40.000 It changed my life.

01:39:41.000 He could be a good fighter, but sometimes people say, hey, what happened if you would put him in UFC? I don't think.

01:39:48.000 Times has changed since then.

01:39:50.000 Even the guys that used to compete in UFC, in the first few UFC, you cannot put them in the octagon right now.

01:39:57.000 It would apply to Bruce as well, but his philosophy, man...

01:40:02.000 That was brilliant.

01:40:03.000 I think people don't understand how revolutionary it was.

01:40:06.000 Because in the 1970s, when Bruce Lee was doing like Enter the Dragon, the people that were martial arts practitioners were convinced that their style was all you needed to learn.

01:40:15.000 When I was doing Taekwondo, my instructor would tell me, I would go to a boxing gym and train with boxers, and they would tell me, you don't need to do that.

01:40:22.000 You can work your hands here.

01:40:23.000 I'm like...

01:40:23.000 Can I, though?

01:40:25.000 Because I'm going to the boxing gyms. 0.99

01:40:26.000 I'm getting fucked up. 0.99

01:40:27.000 My hands are not as good. 0.99

01:40:29.000 I need to learn with people that are really good boxers. 0.98

01:40:31.000 So I would go and train with professional boxers, and then I was realizing all the flaws in my technique.

01:40:36.000 I wouldn't have learned that in the gym.

01:40:38.000 And then I would go and train with judo guys, and I'd be like, oh, I didn't know it was so easy to throw me around.

01:40:43.000 You need to know, and the only way to know is to go to these different places.

01:40:47.000 But Bruce Lee...

01:40:48.000 Back then, put everything together. 0.60

01:40:51.000 I was watching, my daughters did martial arts when they were younger, but they're not really into it anymore, but sometimes they'll watch movies with me and shit, and I was watching Enter the Dragon, the opening scene of Enter the Dragon when he's got the mixed martial arts gloves on.

01:41:04.000 Remember?

01:41:05.000 Is there the one with Bolo Young?

01:41:07.000 Yes!

01:41:07.000 Oh yeah.

01:41:08.000 They look like MMA gloves.

01:41:11.000 And this is, you know, in the 1970s.

01:41:13.000 And he wins by an arm bar. 0.98

01:41:15.000 It's kind of a fucked up arm bar. 1.00

01:41:17.000 It's a bullshit arm bar. 1.00

01:41:19.000 Yeah, it's the worst arm bar I've ever seen. 1.00

01:41:21.000 But listen, it was ahead of his time. 0.99

01:41:25.000 Yes, but there was a lot of arm bars in the early UFCs that were bullshit too. 0.98

01:41:28.000 That's right. 0.98

01:41:29.000 Other than hoist.

01:41:29.000 Here it is, man.

01:41:30.000 Like, watch this scene.

01:41:31.000 Look, I mean, look at his gloves.

01:41:33.000 Is that Bolo Young next to him?

01:41:35.000 Yes!

01:41:35.000 Man, he doesn't have his chest.

01:41:37.000 I don't know if that's Bolo.

01:41:38.000 No, that's not Bolo.

01:41:39.000 No, it can't be Bolo Young.

01:41:40.000 But Bolo's in the movie, right?

01:41:41.000 I'm going to tell you something.

01:41:42.000 I think he's in it later.

01:41:43.000 I'm going to tell you something.

01:41:44.000 Bolo Young is the best villain ever in all martial art movies.

01:41:51.000 He's unbelievable in Bloodsport and...

01:41:55.000 Like, amazing.

01:41:56.000 Look how shredded Bruce was, too.

01:41:58.000 Woo! 0.99

01:41:58.000 He was shredded. 0.99

01:41:59.000 That's right.

01:42:00.000 He had no body fat.

01:42:01.000 But he was so fast and his movement was so interesting and there was nothing like it at the time.

01:42:07.000 He was ahead of his time.

01:42:08.000 Way ahead.

01:42:09.000 He was the greatest of his time, 100%.

01:42:11.000 But there's innovators and you can't compare them to people that have learned and already moved past his footsteps.

01:42:18.000 Because he carved the path.

01:42:19.000 He carved the path, and by the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, if you read that book, and I read that book cover to cover like 20 times, he combined martial arts in a way.

01:42:29.000 He said, absorb what's useful.

01:42:30.000 Take what's useful.

01:42:31.000 And throw out everything else.

01:42:32.000 And there were so many martial artists that hated him because of that.

01:42:36.000 Because of what he was saying was, like, that it didn't matter if you were doing karate or if you were doing Muay Thai, whatever it was.

01:42:42.000 Just find out what works and put them together.

01:42:45.000 Put them all together.

01:42:47.000 And...

01:42:47.000 People did not like hearing that back then because if you were running a karate school, you were trying to tell your students this was all you needed to learn.

01:42:54.000 That's it.

01:42:55.000 But he knew.

01:42:57.000 I talked to Gene LaBelle, and Gene LaBelle taught him about grappling.

01:43:02.000 And one of the things that Gene LaBelle did when they first worked together, Gene LaBelle grabbed him. 0.99

01:43:07.000 Gene LaBelle was a fucking massive guy. 0.98

01:43:10.000 He was built like a bear and phenomenal judo player, national champion, elite of the elite. 0.99

01:43:15.000 He grabbed a hold of... 1.00

01:43:17.000 And Bruce Lee was like, oh shit! 1.00

01:43:19.000 Like, he realized, like, I'm helpless against this fucking gorilla. 1.00

01:43:22.000 And then Gene showed Bruce Lee judo, and he showed him submission techniques. 1.00

01:43:27.000 That's right.

01:43:28.000 He showed him all that stuff, and Bruce was super open-minded to that.

01:43:31.000 We cannot compare, like, sometimes we talk about who's the greatest.

01:43:35.000 Same thing in basketball, same thing.

01:43:36.000 Like, because, I think it's Einstein says, we stand on shoulders of giants.

01:43:41.000 Yes.

01:43:42.000 All the progress that have been made, the mistakes that have been made in the past, the progress, we've learned from it.

01:43:48.000 So we already start nowadays, we already have a head start on the people in the past.

01:43:55.000 I think that's with everything.

01:43:57.000 We cannot compare.

01:43:58.000 People always in every interview, they ask me, who's the goat?

01:44:01.000 Who's the goat?

01:44:02.000 And I was surprised.

01:44:03.000 I said, for me, the goat is Royce Gracie.

01:44:05.000 And people are like, yeah, but you put him in the ring right now.

01:44:08.000 I'm like, of course you put him in the ring.

01:44:10.000 It would be a different story.

01:44:12.000 The fighters of today are better than the fighters of yesterday.

01:44:16.000 And as good as the fighters are today, sorry to disappoint the ones that are watching.

01:44:22.000 And if I hurt some ego, but in the future, they will be better.

01:44:27.000 They will be better.

01:44:28.000 We cannot stop the progress.

01:44:30.000 I remember, Joe, to learn jujitsu.

01:44:35.000 Like, 20 years ago, like more than 25 years ago, to learn Jiu-Jitsu, I need to drive to New York, you know, to be physically present in the class.

01:44:44.000 Now I can grab my cell phone and learn a technique from a guy who's in Australia.

01:44:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:44:49.000 And now there's things that I worked on this weekend.

01:44:52.000 There's like holograms.

01:44:54.000 This is going to be the future of the sport.

01:44:56.000 Holograms.

01:44:57.000 So you'll be able to turn, to zoom in, to check on dirt, where you put this in.

01:45:02.000 I was with Kevin Lee.

01:45:04.000 We work on stuff like that.

01:45:06.000 Oh, that's what they were talking about.

01:45:07.000 I saw you and Kevin in front of a green screen.

01:45:09.000 Yeah, so that's gonna be a game changer.

01:45:12.000 I told a guy that he wanted to do exclusively for sports, you know, for games.

01:45:17.000 But for instructional, this is a game changer.

01:45:21.000 And I don't think the athletes get better.

01:45:27.000 I don't think Usain Bolt is necessarily better than Jesse Owen in the 100m.

01:45:33.000 I think he has access to better knowledge, better technology.

01:45:38.000 That makes him have better performance.

01:45:41.000 It's the same thing in fighting.

01:45:44.000 However, in fighting, it's very subjective because we cannot measure.

01:45:48.000 We don't have any instrument of measure.

01:45:50.000 So it's always, oh, it's Ali against Tyson, who would have won, like, oh, St-Pierre versus Ousmane, or, you know, like, they make comparative stuff like that.

01:46:03.000 However, it cannot be made, but normally...

01:46:07.000 General idea is that the future is always better than the past.

01:46:11.000 And that's how it is.

01:46:12.000 And if I don't agree with that, that means I insult the entire UFC roster.

01:46:16.000 I insult the entire NBA, the entire NHL. That's what I believe.

01:46:23.000 I think you're 100% correct, and I think the quote, we stand on the shoulders of giants, that's really what it is.

01:46:29.000 You don't get to where we are today without Hoist Gracie, without Bruce Lee, without the steps of all these people, without Matt Hughes, without George St. Pierre, without all, fill in the blank, Randy Couture, Tito Ortiz, all those fighters, they paved the way, and the young fighters that were watching them when they were children,

01:46:47.000 they learned from watching these guys compete and perform.

01:46:51.000 In jujitsu, it's a great example.

01:46:53.000 Gordon Ryan is the greatest jujitsu player of all time.

01:46:57.000 I agree, 100%.

01:46:58.000 And he's only 25. Yeah.

01:47:00.000 It's fucking crazy, right? 0.97

01:47:01.000 But also, why is he the greatest? 0.97

01:47:03.000 Well, he's the greatest because John Donaher is a brilliant instructor, and John Donaher came straight from Henzo Gracie.

01:47:09.000 Henzo Gracie, who's a cousin of Hoyce, who's also one of the greatest of all time, and one of the innovators.

01:47:15.000 The Gracie family and all the lessons learned from the early days of mixed martial arts gets transferred to John Donner in his genius mind, and then he finds this guy who's a fucking savage, who's willing to put in the time in Gordon Ryan, and then you see Gordon,

01:47:31.000 did you see his last match with Wagner Rocha? 0.80

01:47:35.000 He wrote down on a piece of paper how he was going to submit.

01:47:38.000 He wrote a triangle on a piece of paper and he handed it to the commentators.

01:47:43.000 And he said, open that up after the match is over.

01:47:45.000 And then he plays with Wagner and then submits him with a triangle. 0.98

01:47:50.000 It's fucking incredible. 0.97

01:47:52.000 Gordon is my friend. 0.98

01:47:54.000 This could be also by deduction.

01:47:56.000 When you talk about preparation, How good someone can be prepared.

01:48:01.000 It's because he knew how his strength would match versus his opponent.

01:48:06.000 That's when the genius comes in.

01:48:09.000 Like John De Niro, Gordon Ryan.

01:48:11.000 And Gordon is amazing, man.

01:48:13.000 He's the best right now I ever roll with.

01:48:16.000 Like all size.

01:48:17.000 He's the best I've ever seen.

01:48:19.000 I've never seen anybody.

01:48:20.000 But as good as his, watch out for his little brother, Nicky. 0.91

01:48:23.000 Oh, he's a beast.

01:48:24.000 And you know why they're so good?

01:48:25.000 John is a PhD in philosophy.

01:48:29.000 He's incredible.

01:48:30.000 He used to teach at Columbia University.

01:48:33.000 And all his academic background experience, he brings that into martial art.

01:48:40.000 That's why, for me, he's the best teacher ever.

01:48:43.000 Also, he's a seven-day-a-week guy.

01:48:45.000 I talk to him.

01:48:46.000 I go, seven days a week?

01:48:47.000 Morning to night, my friend.

01:48:49.000 Every day.

01:48:50.000 I go, you guys don't take any day off?

01:48:52.000 He goes, no.

01:48:53.000 I go, what do you do for recovery?

01:48:54.000 He goes, you just train less hard.

01:48:56.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:48:57.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ.

01:48:58.000 I go, Christmas?

01:48:59.000 He goes, Christmas, New Year's, birthday, every day.

01:49:02.000 You can do that in jiu-jitsu, Joe, but you cannot do that, I think, in a sport like with boxing or a more dynamic sport.

01:49:11.000 You cannot do that because the...

01:49:15.000 It would have a profound effect on your body and how you recuperate.

01:49:18.000 I think you're right too in terms of your tissue.

01:49:20.000 We talk about how white people get better. 0.94

01:49:25.000 We talk about knowledge.

01:49:26.000 One of the greatest role models for me was Wayne Gretzky.

01:49:33.000 Wayne Gretzky and ice hockey in Canada is our national sport.

01:49:37.000 He was incredibly humble.

01:49:40.000 His record, I think he's one of the athlete all sport combined that I can say for certainty or almost for certainty that his record will never be broken during my living.

01:49:53.000 Really?

01:49:54.000 Yeah, he's that good, bro.

01:49:56.000 He's amazing. 0.94

01:49:57.000 I don't know jack shit about hockey. 0.96

01:49:58.000 However, if you would put him right now on the ice, I don't think he would do that well. 0.96

01:50:04.000 Because for his time, when you talk about the GOAT, We don't talk about the present time.

01:50:09.000 We talk about how was he for his time.

01:50:12.000 So who he was competing against.

01:50:14.000 It depends what goat means.

01:50:16.000 It doesn't mean for his time or it means like right now.

01:50:18.000 Because if we talk about right now, it will always be a guy from the present.

01:50:23.000 And man, he used to start...

01:50:26.000 He's the first guy to start to go behind the goaltender net to start a play.

01:50:33.000 Now you see it.

01:50:34.000 He was the first.

01:50:35.000 Before him, nobody did that before.

01:50:38.000 And he revolutionized the game.

01:50:41.000 So now they stand on shoulders of a giant.

01:50:43.000 Now you see that every day.

01:50:45.000 But he was so special because he had to figure it out in the beginning.

01:50:49.000 And what makes him so great?

01:50:50.000 It's not because he was faster or stronger than everyone else.

01:50:52.000 It's because of his IQ, his hockey IQ. Yeah.

01:50:56.000 So this is something that when you talk about sport, we always tend to say, oh, he's so athletic.

01:51:03.000 But I think when you say athletic, of course, we talk about muscle, speed and everything.

01:51:08.000 But athleticism is also how your brain can adjust to things, how your learning capacity.

01:51:16.000 That has a lot to do with...

01:51:18.000 Athletism.

01:51:19.000 How fast can you learn a movement pattern?

01:51:22.000 How fast can you adapt to certain situations to solve it?

01:51:26.000 This is athleticism as well.

01:51:29.000 And how quickly can you access the techniques?

01:51:32.000 How deep is your database?

01:51:34.000 If I had to pay money for any matchup ever, I would pay so much money for Hicks and Gracie versus Gordon Ryan.

01:51:42.000 I know a lot of people, they would have a lot of different fights they would like to see between John Jones and this and that.

01:51:49.000 That's all good.

01:51:50.000 For me, I love all martial arts, but I'm most perplexed by the people that stand out as being above and beyond.

01:51:59.000 And in Hickson's time, you talk to any black belt from Hickson's time, and they're like, Hickson was the best.

01:52:05.000 No one could touch Hickson.

01:52:06.000 Hickson would line these black belts out and line them up and do a seminar and tap them all. 0.94

01:52:12.000 One after the other.

01:52:13.000 One after the other.

01:52:13.000 You think it's true or is it because it's part of the legend?

01:52:17.000 No, it's true.

01:52:18.000 It's true because John-Jacques Machado told me.

01:52:20.000 Wow.

01:52:20.000 I know it's true.

01:52:21.000 I know it's true because John-Jacques, he's as honest as the day is long.

01:52:26.000 John-Jacques never lies about anything. 0.99

01:52:28.000 He tells you and he always says, man, Hickson will fuck you up. 0.99

01:52:32.000 That's what he always said. 1.00

01:52:33.000 He goes, Hickson was different.

01:52:34.000 It was different.

01:52:35.000 I gotta ask you a question or put you on the spot.

01:52:38.000 I mean, you cut it if you wanted to.

01:52:41.000 Okay.

01:52:41.000 I heard rumors about a fight with you and Wesley Snipes.

01:52:48.000 But it didn't happen.

01:52:49.000 It was supposed to happen.

01:52:51.000 Really?

01:52:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:52.000 Man, people ask me about that.

01:52:54.000 I was like, man, Joe Rogan, because you're a comedian, people doesn't know that you have a legit...

01:53:01.000 Like, martial art background.

01:53:02.000 You got the best spinning back kick I've ever seen.

01:53:05.000 And I would have, like, people, when they talk to me about it, they say, yeah, but he's a good martial.

01:53:10.000 I'm like, man, Joe Rogan all day, man.

01:53:11.000 Let me tell you, like, this is different.

01:53:13.000 I've done movies, and when you do movies, it makes you look good.

01:53:16.000 But when, do it for real and do it for the camera, it's two different things.

01:53:20.000 I would have loved to see this.

01:53:22.000 Well, I think he just needed money.

01:53:25.000 You know, he was in a bad situation where he owed taxes.

01:53:29.000 And the government, they put him in jail.

01:53:30.000 You know, he got put in jail for tax evasion.

01:53:33.000 I think he had bad advisors.

01:53:35.000 And sometimes advisors would tell you, like, there's a law and you don't have to follow that law.

01:53:41.000 And I think that's what happened with Wesley.

01:53:44.000 And I'm a fan of his, by the way.

01:53:45.000 I love Blade.

01:53:46.000 It's one of my favorite superhero movies of all time.

01:53:49.000 I think he's great.

01:53:49.000 And he's a legit martial artist.

01:53:51.000 It wouldn't have been easy.

01:53:52.000 But I also knew that he didn't have any jiu-jitsu training.

01:53:55.000 And I was like, I know how to kickbox.

01:53:57.000 I know I fought.

01:53:58.000 I fought a lot of Taekwondo tournaments.

01:54:00.000 I fought some kickboxing matches.

01:54:01.000 I'm like, I know how to strike.

01:54:03.000 If he doesn't know any jiu-jitsu, at the time I was a brown belt, I was like, good luck.

01:54:07.000 I'm going to grab you. 0.99

01:54:08.000 What the fuck are you going to do if I grab you? 0.99

01:54:11.000 I don't think people understand how helpless you are if you're not trained in jiu-jitsu, or even if you're a blue belt. 0.99

01:54:17.000 If you train with a guy who's a legit brown belt or a black belt.

01:54:20.000 I just...

01:54:21.000 Knowledge is a weapon.

01:54:22.000 Even if you're the best boxer in the world, you flood Mayweather.

01:54:26.000 It's like I take Floyd Mayweather and I bring him to fight in the pool, in the water.

01:54:30.000 If Floyd doesn't know how to swim, it would be the same analogy that taking someone that doesn't have any jiu-jitsu background.

01:54:36.000 If the fight goes to the ground, which is very likely because you need, in MMA, in a street fight, you need to go on the ground to finish your opponent if he falls down, right?

01:54:45.000 Right.

01:54:45.000 And this also, there's so many other elements.

01:54:48.000 You know, it's just...

01:54:49.000 Do you ever see when Vince Phillips fought Masato in K1? Mmm...

01:54:55.000 I don't think so. 1.00

01:54:56.000 Vince Phillips, cool Vince Phillips, was a bad motherfucker. 0.99

01:54:59.000 He was an elite boxer, world champion boxer. 0.99

01:55:02.000 See if you can find that.

01:55:03.000 See if you can find that online.

01:55:05.000 I think it was in K1. And Masato was at the peak of his game.

01:55:10.000 There it is.

01:55:11.000 And so Vince Phillips at the time... 0.92

01:55:13.000 Was a little older, I think, if I remember correctly, I think he was in his later 30s, but Vince Phillips was a fucking elite professional boxer, world champion, and Masato, oh, he's 44, yeah, a little too old for that. 0.94

01:55:28.000 Unfortunately, so it would have been interesting more so if they fought in their prime, but Vince was still very fucking good, but Masato just lit his legs on fire. 0.96

01:55:37.000 Oh, man. 0.60

01:55:38.000 And Masato, at the time, Masato's one of the greatest Japanese kickboxers of all time. 0.98

01:55:44.000 I mean, he was fucking elite, man. 0.92

01:55:45.000 And his leg kicks were phenomenal. 0.99

01:55:47.000 And so he just moved around. 0.97

01:55:49.000 And if they had a boxing match, I think Vince would have fucked him up. 0.95

01:55:53.000 But they didn't have a boxing match. 0.99

01:55:55.000 Masato just kept chopping at those legs, moving away, moving away.

01:55:58.000 Boom! 0.99

01:55:58.000 Look at that. 0.99

01:55:58.000 Moving away, moving away, moving away. 0.99

01:56:00.000 Boom! 0.99

01:56:01.000 You changed the rules.

01:56:02.000 You changed the game.

01:56:03.000 Yep.

01:56:04.000 I remember Tim Silvio versus in MMA. Ray Mercer!

01:56:09.000 Yeah!

01:56:09.000 Mercer knocked him out.

01:56:10.000 But you know why? 0.99

01:56:11.000 Because it was stupid from Silvio trying to make it a boxing match. 0.99

01:56:16.000 Well, do you know what happened? 0.99

01:56:18.000 No, I don't know.

01:56:19.000 Here's what happened.

01:56:19.000 They were supposed to have a boxing match.

01:56:21.000 Here's what happened.

01:56:22.000 Here, let's just watch it real quick.

01:56:24.000 Boom! 0.99

01:56:25.000 Timber!

01:56:26.000 This is what happened.

01:56:27.000 They were supposed to have a boxing match, but the Athletic Commission wouldn't sanction a boxing match because Tim Sylvia didn't have any boxing matches and Ray Mercer was a gold medalist in the Olympics and a world champion. 0.97

01:56:38.000 So they're like, there's no fucking way. 0.90

01:56:40.000 Even though Ray Mercer was older, they said there's no fucking way you're going to fight Tim Sylvia in a boxing match. 0.97

01:56:45.000 So they said, what about a mixed martial arts match? 0.94

01:56:47.000 Well, okay.

01:56:48.000 Well, that makes more sense because Tim Sylvia was a world champion in mixed martial arts and you're a world champion in boxing.

01:56:53.000 Okay.

01:56:54.000 So they sanctioned that fight, but they made a gentleman's agreement.

01:56:56.000 The gentleman's agreement was they would just have a boxing match with the little gloves on.

01:57:00.000 But they open up the fight.

01:57:02.000 Watch the open up the fight.

01:57:02.000 Tim Sylvia leg kicks him.

01:57:04.000 And look at Ray Mercer. 1.00

01:57:05.000 He's like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:57:07.000 Because he's like, I thought we had a rule. 0.99

01:57:09.000 Bang! 1.00

01:57:10.000 And so that's why he was so angry after the fight was over because they weren't supposed to kick.

01:57:17.000 But Tim Sylvia opened up and he hit him with a leg kick. 0.99

01:57:20.000 Look, see how he's like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

01:57:22.000 He's like, what the fuck is this? 1.00

01:57:23.000 Because they had an agreement. 0.99

01:57:24.000 I didn't know that.

01:57:25.000 Yes, they were going to have a boxing match, but with the little gloves on.

01:57:28.000 It's like these fights are mismatched.

01:57:31.000 You see Randy Cutservice's James Toney.

01:57:34.000 Yes. 0.82

01:57:35.000 If you're James Toney, what the hell are you thinking, man?

01:57:38.000 James Toney needed money.

01:57:39.000 That's what that was.

01:57:40.000 James Toney needed money.

01:57:41.000 I remember interviewing James Toney before the fight.

01:57:44.000 And I'm like, did you practice any kicks?

01:57:46.000 Like, yeah, I practiced all these kicks.

01:57:47.000 I practiced side check kick.

01:57:49.000 He was making kicks up that didn't even exist.

01:57:51.000 He's like, yeah, I'm training.

01:57:52.000 Don't worry about it.

01:57:53.000 I'm training.

01:57:54.000 Randy went for a low single.

01:57:56.000 And a low single when there's no shoes to grab, the only thing you need to do is to turn your kneecap facing the other way and just step out.

01:58:04.000 It's the most ridiculous thing to do, to escape, because it's outside of his frame of reference.

01:58:11.000 I don't think he did. 0.76

01:58:13.000 Honestly, I watched him train, on video at least, it looks like he was training with a karate guy.

01:58:18.000 He was hitting some pads and stuff and throwing some...

01:58:22.000 Here's the...

01:58:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:58:25.000 But also, Randy was an elite wrestler and also an elite world champion, mixed martial arts fighter.

01:58:31.000 Got on top of James and hit him a bunch of times and then mercifully arm triangled him.

01:58:37.000 If I remember correctly, I believe it was an arm triangle he submitted him with.

01:58:40.000 Yeah, but now they do more and more of these matches.

01:58:45.000 Like you have Jake Paul versus Ben Askren.

01:58:48.000 Yeah, here it is.

01:58:49.000 Arm triangle.

01:58:49.000 Yeah, that was what it was.

01:58:50.000 I asked Freddie Roach because, you know, like I train with Freddie Roach.

01:58:55.000 I say you train because they make it look like they train Ben Askren like the whole camp.

01:59:00.000 He said he came only for a week.

01:59:02.000 Well, I know he's training with Duke Rufus.

01:59:05.000 Duke is obviously a very good striking coach.

01:59:08.000 Ben is a world-class wrestler.

01:59:11.000 In his prime, he was one of the best wrestlers that America had to offer.

01:59:16.000 He's an elite wrestler.

01:59:18.000 Yeah.

01:59:18.000 He's also older, and he's got a lot of mixed martial arts experience, but none of that was as a striker.

01:59:23.000 His striking was really just a distraction in order to get you down.

01:59:27.000 You take away all his favorite weapons.

01:59:30.000 This is not fair, you know?

01:59:35.000 It's weird, though, because He's clearly an elite competitor.

01:59:41.000 And you could say, oh, Masvidal knocked him out.

01:59:44.000 Let me tell you something. 1.00

01:59:45.000 That fucking knee would have knocked out 99% of the human beings that have ever lived. 1.00

01:59:48.000 That knee was perfect. 1.00

01:59:50.000 I mean, Masvidal's a slick guy.

01:59:52.000 He's a slick, clever guy.

01:59:55.000 And the way he did that by leaning up against the cage and then stepping off to the side so that Askren follows him and then he moves forward.

02:00:06.000 Askren couldn't resist.

02:00:07.000 His natural instinct is to just dive on the single or dive on a double.

02:00:12.000 Just get those legs and try to take them down. 1.00

02:00:14.000 Perfect bait.

02:00:15.000 Oh, it was amazing.

02:00:16.000 Perfect timing.

02:00:17.000 And you see in his training that he practiced that over and over and over again.

02:00:20.000 They showed the video of Masvidal practicing for that very scenario.

02:00:26.000 But other than that, he's fought a lot of elite strikers and not gotten knocked out.

02:00:31.000 Like, if you look at his fights when he fought Douglas Lima or Koroskov, when he fought those guys in Bellator, I mean, he did very well, but he was allowed to wrestle.

02:00:41.000 How was he going to do in an actual boxing match?

02:00:44.000 I mean, I've never, just be honest, I've never thought of him as being a good striker.

02:00:49.000 No.

02:00:50.000 He's a guy that just kind of uses his hands to get a hold of you.

02:00:53.000 It's a different muscle.

02:00:55.000 When you're a wrestler, it's all about pulling, you know what I mean?

02:00:58.000 And driving.

02:01:00.000 Boxing is way more dynamic.

02:01:02.000 And he's an Olympic wrestler, you know what I mean?

02:01:06.000 The reason why he had so much success, I believe, Ben Askren, it's because when he was in his prime, nobody could figure out how...

02:01:14.000 They know how technically make it in a way that the odds would be in their favor, but they couldn't.

02:01:24.000 Do it, you know what I mean?

02:01:25.000 They knew the secret to beat him was to keep it standing up and keep distance, you know?

02:01:31.000 But they couldn't stop the shot.

02:01:32.000 They couldn't do it.

02:01:33.000 Everybody knew what he was going to do, but nobody could stop it.

02:01:36.000 And now you take that away from him, it's going to be hard for him.

02:01:39.000 I just hope...

02:01:40.000 What I found sad sometimes, I just hope...

02:01:44.000 Man, and I really do hope that it does not make us look...

02:01:48.000 But I hope Ben is training hard and, you know, at least, you know, like...

02:01:53.000 When is that fight?

02:01:53.000 It's soon, isn't it?

02:01:55.000 Two weeks.

02:01:56.000 The problem is he doesn't...

02:01:58.000 It's hard to frame this correctly.

02:02:02.000 Freddie Roach, I asked him, because I thought that if one guy can help him the best is Freddie Roach.

02:02:09.000 So I told him, hey, where is Ben?

02:02:10.000 You're training Ben?

02:02:11.000 And he says, Ben, he came only one week.

02:02:14.000 I was disappointed.

02:02:15.000 I said, shoot, I hope he has a right...

02:02:18.000 He's surrounded by real...

02:02:22.000 Boxers.

02:02:22.000 Because the world of boxing and the world of MMA is a different...

02:02:26.000 Different world.

02:02:27.000 Yeah, you need to...

02:02:28.000 His hands look pretty good there, though.

02:02:29.000 His hands look pretty good.

02:02:30.000 Yeah, but everybody is champion on the pad, Joe, you know?

02:02:33.000 Everybody, you never know.

02:02:34.000 That's a good way to put it.

02:02:35.000 Yeah, man.

02:02:35.000 Everybody's a champion in the pad.

02:02:36.000 See, guys, I had four amateur boxing fights.

02:02:40.000 I'm 4-0 in boxing.

02:02:42.000 And I remember before every amateur boxing fight, you watch the guys you're going to fight.

02:02:47.000 I was in an open division, so I was fighting guys that had multiple fight records.

02:02:52.000 So I look at them, they all look good on the pad.

02:02:55.000 Same thing in MMA. Because they're used to the...

02:02:59.000 The rhythm, you know?

02:03:00.000 So everybody's champion, but that's when you fight.

02:03:02.000 It's a different story.

02:03:03.000 I just hope he put on the work and sparred.

02:03:06.000 Otherwise, it's going to look bad, you know?

02:03:08.000 It's going to look bad for all the athletes, not only in MMA, in boxing.

02:03:12.000 But Jake Paul is a real boxer, I think.

02:03:14.000 He had a legit boxing fight in Amatar, right?

02:03:18.000 Him or his brother.

02:03:19.000 Well, he's only had a couple of fights, but in the way he looked against...

02:03:23.000 What was that guy's name?

02:03:24.000 Nate?

02:03:25.000 What's his name, Jamie?

02:03:26.000 Nate Robinson.

02:03:27.000 The way he looked in that fight...

02:03:28.000 He knocked him out.

02:03:29.000 He knocked him out, but he also knocked him out with short punches.

02:03:31.000 He throws short...

02:03:32.000 He's not winding up.

02:03:33.000 He threw a short right hand that he dropped him with.

02:03:36.000 He's got real skill.

02:03:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:03:37.000 He can fucking hit, man. 1.00

02:03:39.000 His punching is very, very legit. 0.99

02:03:42.000 He's got legitimate knockout power and he's willing to train hard and spar hard. 0.96

02:03:49.000 He looks fucking good, man. 0.97

02:03:51.000 What I don't like is the idea that a lot of people think it's maybe because a lot of them it's because of ignorance. 0.98

02:03:59.000 They think, oh, he's just a YouTuber against an MMA champion.

02:04:03.000 But the truth is you've got a guy that has a real boxing background.

02:04:09.000 Well, he's a good athlete.

02:04:10.000 Yes, yes.

02:04:11.000 And he's fighting another guy who's an MMA fighter, but that's really not his specialty.

02:04:17.000 That's really, really, and really not his specialty.

02:04:20.000 But the reason why he was successful in MMA is because he was so damn good in the other thing.

02:04:25.000 He's also quite a bit larger.

02:04:27.000 Like, I think Jake is, uh, what did he weigh against Nate Robinson?

02:04:31.000 His brother is like 200 plus pounds, somewhere in the range.

02:04:36.000 Yeah, I saw that.

02:04:40.000 I saw that.

02:04:41.000 But, I mean, he's not just taller, and he's a little bit taller, but he's like a physically bigger person.

02:04:48.000 Like, Ben, although, you know, his body never looked impressive, he's very strong as a grappler, but he doesn't get a chance to grapple.

02:04:55.000 This is not a grappling match.

02:04:57.000 This is a boxing match.

02:04:58.000 I don't know.

02:04:59.000 I don't know.

02:05:01.000 I think it would need to somehow, sometime, because I've sparred world champion boxers in my life many times.

02:05:09.000 I can hang there for three, four rounds with the guys I sparred.

02:05:14.000 But after four rounds, What you find is that they're way more efficient than you, especially in the inside boxing, because we do not have inside boxing in MMA. Right, right.

02:05:24.000 So everything we do, it's the outside.

02:05:27.000 And when we're inside, we're clinching, you know?

02:05:30.000 That's a good point.

02:05:33.000 Boxers like in boxing are way more efficient than MMA because that's the biggest difference is the inside boxing.

02:05:41.000 So he's a wrestler and that's where things will get complicated.

02:05:46.000 But the thing is though that he can tie him up in a way that Jake Paul's never been tied up before.

02:05:53.000 Big gloves.

02:05:54.000 That's true, but still.

02:05:56.000 Clamp is a clamp.

02:05:57.000 The way that guy gets a hold of you.

02:05:59.000 He'll grab the back of your head, grab a hold of your arm.

02:06:01.000 He'll muscle him around in a way that he's going to feel very uncomfortable clenching with him.

02:06:05.000 That's right.

02:06:06.000 But can he do that and not get knocked out?

02:06:08.000 Can he do that and not get hit?

02:06:09.000 Can he do that without being fined?

02:06:12.000 I mean, you know, like McGregor, I think there were rules that he was fined if he did to Mayweather.

02:06:19.000 Yeah.

02:06:19.000 I think the rules were, it says 5'10", 6'1", but that's not the big thing.

02:06:25.000 The height is not the big thing.

02:06:26.000 The big thing is the physical weight, lean weight.

02:06:29.000 See, I think, when you think about Ben Askren competing most of his career at 170 pounds, he's a small guy.

02:06:37.000 Like, even at 170, he's not like Kamaru Usman at 170. Like, Usman at 170 is fucking shredded and gigantic. 0.98

02:06:45.000 Or Douglas Lima is another guy, shredded and gigantic at 170. Ben is a smaller guy. 0.99

02:06:51.000 He carries body weight, like fat on him.

02:06:55.000 I think when Ben wrestled, what was Ben's when he was wrestling, when he was at the peak of his form as an amateur wrestler?

02:07:05.000 I think he was in, I don't remember, but I believe it was in the 160s.

02:07:09.000 It says 170 also.

02:07:10.000 As a wrestler?

02:07:12.000 What does it say on Wikipedia?

02:07:13.000 Wikipedia says he's 190. That's what he weighs now.

02:07:17.000 I don't know.

02:07:18.000 It says 170, actually, but...

02:07:20.000 Well, yeah, that's what he competes at.

02:07:22.000 174 in college.

02:07:23.000 That's what he weighed?

02:07:24.000 74?

02:07:25.000 As a wrestler in college?

02:07:26.000 Mm-hmm.

02:07:27.000 Really?

02:07:27.000 I just hope they don't get hurt, man.

02:07:30.000 I like to see these fights because it's the entertainment that it provides.

02:07:35.000 There is a story behind it and it's fun to watch because I'm a curious person.

02:07:40.000 I've got to watch it.

02:07:41.000 But I just hope they don't get humiliated or badly hurt because it will hurt me to watch it.

02:07:48.000 And then on both sides, you know?

02:07:50.000 I know what you're saying.

02:07:51.000 Yeah.

02:07:51.000 So what did Jake Paul weigh when he fought Nate Robinson?

02:07:56.000 189. That's not too bad.

02:07:58.000 So we're only dealing with about 20 pounds of difference.

02:08:01.000 It's not too bad.

02:08:02.000 The difference is power.

02:08:03.000 Jake has like real power.

02:08:05.000 He has real knockout power.

02:08:07.000 And he's got real speed.

02:08:08.000 Where again, Ben's body is designed to squeeze you and crush you and throw you around.

02:08:14.000 It's not dynamic.

02:08:16.000 It's isometric strength.

02:08:19.000 Squeezing.

02:08:19.000 And in boxing, there's no room for isometry.

02:08:22.000 It's all about dynamic.

02:08:24.000 And that's where Ben lacks.

02:08:27.000 It's going to be interesting.

02:08:28.000 It's going to be interesting.

02:08:29.000 Who knows?

02:08:30.000 Maybe he knows something we don't know.

02:08:31.000 But also, you have to take into consideration the fact that it's an enormous payday.

02:08:35.000 And maybe that's why he's willing to do this.

02:08:37.000 Because he said that the payday he's going to get from this Jake Paul fight would be bigger than any payday he's ever had in his career.

02:08:43.000 That's worth it then.

02:08:44.000 Good for him.

02:08:45.000 Good for him.

02:08:45.000 This is important.

02:08:47.000 You can assure a future for him and family.

02:08:50.000 This is important.

02:08:51.000 Good for him.

02:08:52.000 I'm curious to see how many other fighters decide to do this.

02:08:56.000 Like Anderson Silva is fighting Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. Do you know about that?

02:09:00.000 No!

02:09:01.000 Yes, that's a new fight that's been announced that makes me uncomfortable.

02:09:05.000 There is more and more.

02:09:08.000 I know, but he's not the same Julius Caesar Chavez Jr. that he was when he was in his prime, but he looked damn good.

02:09:17.000 He's a dangerous striker.

02:09:19.000 He's a good boxer.

02:09:20.000 He's not the cream of the crop.

02:09:23.000 He's not who his dad was.

02:09:24.000 His dad is one of my all-time favorite fighters.

02:09:27.000 Oh, okay, wait.

02:09:28.000 Junior.

02:09:29.000 Junior.

02:09:30.000 Junior's younger.

02:09:31.000 Oh, okay, that's not good.

02:09:32.000 Junior, I think, is only like 35. No, that's not good then.

02:09:35.000 That's not good for...

02:09:35.000 Junior's big.

02:09:36.000 Yeah, okay.

02:09:37.000 Junior's 175. He's a bigger fighter.

02:09:40.000 Yeah, that's not good.

02:09:41.000 I thought it was the dad.

02:09:42.000 No.

02:09:43.000 No.

02:09:44.000 That would be terrible.

02:09:45.000 That's rude.

02:09:46.000 I thought it was good for Anderson. 0.92

02:09:49.000 I was like, what the hell?

02:09:50.000 He's going back to fight? 0.82

02:09:52.000 But I think this is bad because he's still active, right?

02:09:55.000 He's still active as of recently.

02:09:57.000 He quit.

02:09:58.000 He didn't quit, but he basically laid off the gas against Canelo a few years ago.

02:10:05.000 And most people were very upset at him for that fight because it looked like he was just trying to survive against Canelo Alvarez.

02:10:12.000 Canelo was just lighting him up.

02:10:13.000 And so that was, I think, at 160?

02:10:20.000 Seniors fighting on the same card, FYI. No!

02:10:24.000 I knew!

02:10:25.000 I knew!

02:10:27.000 He's fighting Hector Camacho's son?

02:10:29.000 How old is Hector Camacho's son?

02:10:30.000 I don't know.

02:10:31.000 It doesn't sound either.

02:10:32.000 Joe, I knew I... Senior?

02:10:34.000 Oh, my God.

02:10:35.000 I knew I've seen it somewhere.

02:10:36.000 It was in the back of my mind, but I had the wrong person.

02:10:42.000 I knew I've seen it somewhere.

02:10:44.000 That's crazy.

02:10:45.000 But you know, Anderson always publicly says that he would have loved to fight Jon Jones.

02:10:50.000 I think it would be better because it would be like...

02:10:53.000 Roy Jones.

02:10:54.000 Roy Jones.

02:10:55.000 Yeah, Roy Jones.

02:10:55.000 Not John Jones.

02:10:56.000 Roy Jones, exactly.

02:10:57.000 It would be a good novelty fight for him.

02:11:01.000 This could be better.

02:11:02.000 When is this fight supposed to take place?

02:11:04.000 June 19th in Mexico.

02:11:06.000 Let me be honest with you.

02:11:09.000 It depends on what they're gonna let him do in terms of like hormones That's what that's the big factor here because Anderson Towards the end of his reign or the end of his career in MMA This was not the same guy from Chris Weidman on He's not the same guy and he got older and he lost a few steps and from the second Weidman fight So so he lost to Chris Weidman then the only fight that he won was I think?

02:11:53.000 And there's a thing where an athlete just reaches a point of no return where their body does not respond.

02:11:58.000 His body didn't look the same anymore.

02:12:00.000 I mean, you look at the Anderson Silva that fought Yushin Okami.

02:12:03.000 You look at the Anderson Silva that fought Dan Henderson. 0.98

02:12:06.000 He was fucking jacked and shredded and he was so good, man. 0.97

02:12:10.000 Dana White sent me a text message the other day with a video of Anderson Silva when he fought Dan Henderson. 0.99

02:12:16.000 He goes, man, people forget how fucking good Anderson was when he was in his prime.

02:12:20.000 And I watched the video. 0.97

02:12:21.000 I didn't forget, but I kind of did.

02:12:23.000 I had to watch it again. 0.99

02:12:24.000 I was like, God damn! 0.99

02:12:26.000 It was amazing. 0.99

02:12:26.000 He was so good! 0.99

02:12:28.000 He was so good! 0.99

02:12:29.000 Anderson was so fucking good! 0.98

02:12:32.000 He had ESP. He knew what people were going to do before they did it. 0.98

02:12:36.000 And his reaction time was so fast.

02:12:38.000 But when it goes, it goes.

02:12:40.000 I think...

02:12:42.000 Like, we talk about GOAT sometimes.

02:12:44.000 I think Anderson Silva is there.

02:12:45.000 He's the GOAT. He's one of them, that's for sure.

02:12:47.000 Yeah, the people always remember your last performance.

02:12:49.000 I think Anderson is there.

02:12:51.000 I think, of course, Jon Jones.

02:12:52.000 Anderson is because he was so flamboyant.

02:12:55.000 Jon Jones, he faced the most adversity.

02:12:57.000 I think Stipe Miocic was there.

02:12:59.000 He's the GOAT. He just lost, people say, oh no, but I think he was the GOAT. Oh man, I mean, you think about it, he beat legends, he beat Alistair Overeem, Junior Dos Santos, he beat everybody.

02:13:09.000 You never fight the same fighter twice.

02:13:11.000 You might fight the same name twice, but every fight leaves a scar.

02:13:15.000 Could be for the best or for the worst.

02:13:18.000 And I think Khabib was there because he had the most dominated career that ever.

02:13:24.000 I don't know if he ever lost a round.

02:13:26.000 He might have, but he was so...

02:13:28.000 He was so incredible.

02:13:30.000 You have Dimitrius Johnson.

02:13:33.000 One of the greats too. 0.97

02:13:34.000 Maybe he's a goat.

02:13:35.000 He was all around.

02:13:36.000 He was amazing in his prime.

02:13:38.000 But now you keep fighting when you're not in your prime.

02:13:40.000 You kind of make people forget how good you were.

02:13:44.000 BJ Penn was there.

02:13:45.000 He was just the perfect fighter.

02:13:47.000 He was amazing.

02:13:49.000 You have, I think personally, Dominic Cruz too.

02:13:54.000 He had a time, his footwork was...

02:13:58.000 I really enjoyed watching him fight.

02:13:59.000 He was so innovative.

02:14:02.000 Conor McGregor too, because of his precision.

02:14:05.000 Royce Gracie.

02:14:06.000 There's many arguments to say why someone is their goal.

02:14:09.000 Then you have to It depends what it is for you.

02:14:12.000 Then after you have the performance and then seeing drugs and stuff, you have to weigh in the whole thing.

02:14:19.000 You know what I mean?

02:14:19.000 It's almost you can't say who the greatest of all time is, but there's some greatest of all times.

02:14:26.000 For their time.

02:14:28.000 One of the greatest of all time.

02:14:30.000 If we talk about who's the fighter nowadays that we...

02:14:35.000 All weight included, everything goes in a fight.

02:14:39.000 Who would you choose?

02:14:41.000 Francis?

02:14:41.000 Francis, yeah.

02:14:42.000 Right now?

02:14:43.000 Right now, yeah. 0.99

02:14:43.000 Who the fuck is going to fight him that's lighter than him? 0.99

02:14:46.000 However, I realized something. 0.99

02:14:48.000 I know a lot of young fighters might not think this way, but the way it is in this game is like that, I think.

02:14:57.000 For example, you have three guys that are on top.

02:15:00.000 This guy beat this guy, this guy beat this guy, this guy beat this guy.

02:15:04.000 It's just a matter of timing.

02:15:06.000 Fighting, it's about style.

02:15:08.000 It's about...

02:15:09.000 It's never forever.

02:15:11.000 Because Derek Lewis beat Francis by decision.

02:15:14.000 That's right.

02:15:14.000 So maybe he's the greatest, right?

02:15:16.000 So you have to look at it that way.

02:15:18.000 Perhaps one day it will be someone that will figure out, Francis, how to fight a guy like this.

02:15:23.000 Well, Derek Lewis is an interesting case because he's so big and he can take a tremendous punch and he can knock you out with one shot.

02:15:32.000 And he's the only guy in the heavyweight division that can knock Francis out with one shot.

02:15:37.000 He can knock anybody out.

02:15:38.000 The way he knocked out Curtis Blades, I think Derek can knock out any man alive.

02:15:43.000 He has that kind of power.

02:15:44.000 I agree.

02:15:44.000 However, what is his Achilles?

02:15:47.000 It's his wrestling.

02:15:48.000 The ground game, yes.

02:15:49.000 But he can tighten that up, and one of the things that he's tightened up is his endurance.

02:15:55.000 So you got, let's say we speculate.

02:15:58.000 Right.

02:15:59.000 I don't think so, but let's say we speculate.

02:16:01.000 Okay, you have Lewis beat Francis, Francis beat Mio Cic, but Mio Cic beat... 0.72

02:16:07.000 Lewis.

02:16:08.000 Who's the best?

02:16:09.000 But he didn't fight.

02:16:10.000 I know we just speculated, but that's how the world of fighting works.

02:16:15.000 But Cormier beat Lewis, and then Stipe beat Cormier twice.

02:16:19.000 I'm saying it's just speculation, you know, if it happened.

02:16:23.000 If you beat someone, that does not mean also you will beat him every time.

02:16:28.000 Right, like Matt Serra and you, right?

02:16:29.000 It's a question of odds.

02:16:31.000 It's maybe 9 out of 10, you will beat him, but that night.

02:16:36.000 That night, you zig when you should have zagged and...

02:16:39.000 Yes.

02:16:40.000 It's too late.

02:16:41.000 It's too late.

02:16:42.000 The thing about Francis that makes it so dangerous is you can't make any errors.

02:16:47.000 You can't make any errors.

02:16:49.000 Like, at any time, you can get hit with a bomb and then it's over.

02:16:53.000 And, like, the punch that he knocks Stipe out with, too, is short left hook.

02:16:58.000 Stipe's moving towards him.

02:16:59.000 He just...

02:16:59.000 Catches him with that short left hook.

02:17:01.000 We forget that Stipe has knockout power too. 1.00

02:17:04.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 0.99

02:17:04.000 And if you watch that fight, look at the end of the fight. 0.99

02:17:07.000 He missed with the right hand.

02:17:10.000 That was like two inches from the...

02:17:12.000 So it could have been dangerous.

02:17:15.000 He hit him.

02:17:16.000 He hit him with that right hand.

02:17:17.000 I remember I was doing the French commentator.

02:17:21.000 There's a right hand.

02:17:23.000 You watch the last part of that fight.

02:17:25.000 When it ends, there's a counter right, that straight right, that missed from Stipe.

02:17:30.000 I didn't think it missed.

02:17:32.000 I thought it landed.

02:17:32.000 No, no, no, it missed.

02:17:33.000 If it would have cut him, my friend, maybe we would have a different discussion.

02:17:37.000 But I'm just saying, sometimes fights...

02:17:40.000 The outcome could switch to one side to another.

02:17:43.000 It happens so fast.

02:17:45.000 You know what I mean?

02:17:45.000 Especially in heavyweights.

02:17:46.000 Yeah.

02:17:47.000 Because they hit so hard.

02:17:48.000 That's the thing.

02:17:49.000 You can't make too many errors in the heavyweight division.

02:17:51.000 But I also think that Francis had Stipe hurt in the first round bad and then knocked him down with that step forward jab in the second round.

02:17:59.000 He had him in big trouble already.

02:18:01.000 The problem I think Stipe did, he tried to repeat exactly, do a copy-paste of what he did in the first fight.

02:18:06.000 He thought Francis perhaps would come...

02:18:10.000 Aggressive.

02:18:11.000 But Francis was smart.

02:18:13.000 He didn't burn himself.

02:18:15.000 So now Francis has improved as a fighter.

02:18:20.000 As scary as he is, he's improving.

02:18:26.000 The amount of time that he's been in martial arts is relatively limited.

02:18:30.000 You know, I mean, when he first fought for the title, he'd only been doing martial arts for about five years.

02:18:34.000 Yes.

02:18:35.000 So now it's eight years, but now also he's with a full camp, right?

02:18:39.000 He's now extreme couture in Vegas.

02:18:42.000 They're working with him on all the aspects of his game.

02:18:44.000 His takedown defense, like when Stipe shot for the takedown, Francis stuffed the takedown correctly.

02:18:50.000 Textbook.

02:18:51.000 With the head inside.

02:18:52.000 It was beautiful. 0.96

02:18:53.000 And then got behind him and hit him with those bombs.

02:18:55.000 So let's see the right hand.

02:18:57.000 Yes.

02:18:57.000 I have to start doing it in slow-mo so you can see it.

02:18:59.000 Oh, sure.

02:18:59.000 It's right there.

02:19:01.000 Boom.

02:19:01.000 Oh, no.

02:19:03.000 That's reversed.

02:19:04.000 That's reversed.

02:19:05.000 At the end of the...

02:19:06.000 But this is before this.

02:19:07.000 It is reversed.

02:19:08.000 Yeah, it's reversed.

02:19:08.000 That's right before.

02:19:10.000 But if you go before that...

02:19:11.000 Well, he lands the one that you're talking about.

02:19:14.000 Let me see it.

02:19:16.000 It's right here.

02:19:17.000 There's one that kind of missed at one point, but he's...

02:19:21.000 It's that one.

02:19:22.000 Right here.

02:19:23.000 No, it's right before.

02:19:24.000 No, no, no, before.

02:19:24.000 Right before that.

02:19:25.000 And I remember because...

02:19:26.000 I remember specifically.

02:19:27.000 It's all reversed, but I still remember it very specifically.

02:19:30.000 See, when he's moving forward, it's because he's already hit him.

02:19:32.000 Can you go before that?

02:19:33.000 Yeah, it's the last sequence.

02:19:36.000 Right there.

02:19:37.000 Back up again?

02:19:38.000 No, even more.

02:19:39.000 Even more.

02:19:40.000 It doesn't matter.

02:19:41.000 Back up again.

02:19:42.000 Yeah, let's go here.

02:19:43.000 So this is a knock.

02:19:44.000 Let it play out from here.

02:19:45.000 So boom, boom, boom.

02:19:46.000 He hits him with these big punches.

02:19:48.000 He catches him with the uppercut.

02:19:49.000 That's it right there.

02:19:50.000 You see this one?

02:19:51.000 I said a right...

02:19:52.000 Let me see it again.

02:19:53.000 It was a straight left.

02:19:55.000 No, no, no, it wasn't.

02:19:56.000 This is reversed.

02:19:58.000 This is backwards, and the reason why it's backwards is so they don't get hit with copyright.

02:20:02.000 Because that punch that dropped him was not in real life a right hand, it was a left hand.

02:20:07.000 See, right there.

02:20:08.000 But he hit him a little bit.

02:20:09.000 It was on the top.

02:20:10.000 Imagine he hit with that.

02:20:12.000 Yeah, but you miss from one inches or you miss by two inches.

02:20:16.000 The gold, the home run is when you hit on the chin.

02:20:20.000 Imagine if he hit with that on the chin.

02:20:22.000 Let me see it.

02:20:23.000 He missed.

02:20:24.000 He missed a little bit, you see?

02:20:25.000 I don't know.

02:20:26.000 I think he punched him.

02:20:26.000 Yeah, but it's not at the right spot.

02:20:28.000 You have to punch in the point of the chin in the right spot.

02:20:32.000 I think he hit him on the cheek, though.

02:20:34.000 I think he hit him right in the face.

02:20:36.000 I think it sounded more on the forehead.

02:20:39.000 I don't know about that.

02:20:40.000 I think he hit him straight on the cheek.

02:20:42.000 Let's see it.

02:20:44.000 And he was coming forward.

02:20:46.000 Boom! 0.99

02:20:46.000 See? 0.99

02:20:46.000 He hit him right on the cheek. 0.99

02:20:48.000 I mean, it's not perfectly on the point of the chin, but you're right.

02:20:50.000 Imagine you catch that with the perfect timing on the point of sitting down like this.

02:20:56.000 He made him sit back.

02:20:57.000 He made him step back, but then Stipe came forward and then he caught him perfectly with the left hand.

02:21:02.000 It's just saying sometimes, and it happened...

02:21:05.000 The outcome of a fight can switch on a blink of an eye.

02:21:10.000 Especially in a crazy exchange like that.

02:21:12.000 I remember Volkov against Derek Lewis.

02:21:15.000 Volkov was winning the fight and Lewis, boom!

02:21:18.000 It was beautiful.

02:21:19.000 That was crazy.

02:21:20.000 But it's just to show that sometimes when you get confidence, it's great for a fighter.

02:21:25.000 But it's dangerous because there's nothing more dangerous for a fighter than success.

02:21:31.000 Success makes you weak, man.

02:21:33.000 Success makes you forget sometimes.

02:21:36.000 Then you're not...

02:21:38.000 You know what I mean?

02:21:39.000 It can be very dangerous.

02:21:40.000 And I love Francis.

02:21:43.000 I hope...

02:21:44.000 I want...

02:21:45.000 Francis is making his story, man.

02:21:47.000 He's the one that can...

02:21:48.000 He's an amazing fighter, an amazing human being.

02:21:51.000 And perhaps, maybe one day, they're going to go rumble in the jungle, Ali Foreman.

02:21:56.000 Do that in Africa. 0.99

02:21:58.000 That would be amazing.

02:21:59.000 He had that aura on him.

02:22:02.000 But man, I want him to stay successful and never forget that no matter how dangerous, how good you are, and especially in heavyweight, you're only at one...

02:22:16.000 You know who I would have loved to see?

02:22:23.000 Francis versus Fedor in his prime.

02:22:25.000 Ooh! 0.96

02:22:26.000 That would have been good.

02:22:27.000 Ooh! 0.96

02:22:29.000 Fedor was a very dangerous one too.

02:22:31.000 He was special.

02:22:32.000 Yes.

02:22:32.000 He was special.

02:22:33.000 But I think now, if you look at boxing, it's the same thing.

02:22:37.000 Look Tyson Fury, how big he is.

02:22:39.000 Francis, if I would go back in the gladiator time, he's the perfect human being, man.

02:22:44.000 I know!

02:22:45.000 Especially for the weight limit.

02:22:47.000 He's a specimen, man.

02:22:48.000 For 265, because Francis is a natural 275-pound guy.

02:22:52.000 He cuts a little bit of weight.

02:22:54.000 You cannot have a more perfect...

02:22:57.000 Impossible.

02:22:58.000 Athletic than Francis.

02:23:00.000 Tall, super strong.

02:23:02.000 Yes.

02:23:03.000 Muscular, but not too muscular.

02:23:04.000 It's like everything's perfect. 0.98

02:23:05.000 Ridiculous power. 1.00

02:23:07.000 Perfect human being to be a killing machine. 1.00

02:23:10.000 It's unbelievable. 0.99

02:23:11.000 Unbelievable.

02:23:12.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:12.000 Also, what...

02:23:13.000 Daniel Cormier said at the end of the fight, he said, strap a rocket to Francis' back because he's going to take off because he's got that Tyson-like aura where everyone's scared of fighting him.

02:23:24.000 He knocks everybody out.

02:23:25.000 When you see him knock a guy like Stipe out, who's the consensus greatest UFC heavyweight champion of all time.

02:23:31.000 Stipe defended the title more than anybody.

02:23:33.000 He won the title twice. 0.99

02:23:35.000 When you watch him fight, Stipe was the fucking man. 0.94

02:23:38.000 So Francis, when he knocks him out, so he takes the title from the greatest heavyweight champion of all time, knocks him out cold, and now he has this ability to transcend the sport. 0.98

02:23:48.000 He has this ability to become this gigantic superstar.

02:23:51.000 Yeah, he can change the game, and I'm very happy for him.

02:23:54.000 I just hope he stays focused, and man, you know, it's just amazing for him.

02:24:00.000 Like, if you know about his story, it's just incredible.

02:24:03.000 Like, it's very inspirational.

02:24:05.000 Yes.

02:24:06.000 Now, let me ask you this.

02:24:07.000 What do you think about what Jon Jones is saying?

02:24:11.000 Because Jon Jones...

02:24:13.000 Now, I am always on the side of I want fighters to get paid as much as possible.

02:24:19.000 And Jon Jones is saying...

02:24:21.000 Let me demystify this.

02:24:23.000 Please.

02:24:24.000 Is afraid?

02:24:26.000 Yes, Jon Jones is afraid of Francis.

02:24:28.000 And Francis is afraid of Jon Jones.

02:24:30.000 Because if they would not be afraid, that means they don't care.

02:24:34.000 Fighting, I'm sure it's important for them.

02:24:37.000 Success is important for them.

02:24:38.000 And when you put it all on the line, it's normal to be afraid.

02:24:44.000 However, it has nothing to do with the fight.

02:24:50.000 Are we gonna fight or not?

02:24:52.000 UFC used that as a tactic to make him accept the fight.

02:24:56.000 And they did that for me for years.

02:24:59.000 Being afraid or not being afraid, it's not like in the schoolyard, we're not like in the schoolyard when someone will run away.

02:25:07.000 If the price is good, even though he's afraid, and he should be afraid, he's a scary guy, he's about to fight.

02:25:16.000 You know, regardless of how we feel, He will do the job.

02:25:21.000 He will bite in his mouthpiece and do it.

02:25:23.000 I was afraid.

02:25:25.000 Personally, I can talk about myself.

02:25:26.000 I was afraid before every fight.

02:25:28.000 Which one made you most afraid?

02:25:31.000 Every fight!

02:25:31.000 I can tell you which one made I was the least afraid.

02:25:35.000 Which one?

02:25:35.000 It was Matt Serra.

02:25:36.000 And I got knocked out.

02:25:41.000 Matt Serra is the only fight in my entire life.

02:25:45.000 And I'm saying life, I'm talking even about amateur competition when I was a kid in karate and wrestling.

02:25:51.000 It's the only fight that I had a good night of sleep the week before all the way through the fight.

02:25:57.000 I had it all figured out.

02:25:59.000 I didn't make those crazy scenarios in my mind.

02:26:01.000 I didn't rethink of it.

02:26:03.000 This idea of fighting, of losing, didn't hunt me.

02:26:08.000 It needs to be...

02:26:10.000 Fear, it's a good thing.

02:26:11.000 And people are like, oh, he's afraid. 0.99

02:26:13.000 It's stupid to say that because of course he's afraid. 0.96

02:26:15.000 And of course, I'm going to tell you the scoop. 0.99

02:26:19.000 I'm sure Francis is afraid too.

02:26:21.000 But it doesn't matter if they're afraid or not.

02:26:24.000 If the numbers is good...

02:26:27.000 Hopefully, they will fight, and this fight will make history.

02:26:31.000 And hopefully it happens.

02:26:34.000 I was afraid of every fight, but it does not matter.

02:26:37.000 Because as much as I'm afraid, I'm by no means a perfect man.

02:26:42.000 But one thing that I'm not, I'm not a coward.

02:26:45.000 And no matter who I'm fighting, and if the contract is good, everything is good.

02:26:51.000 I'm gonna go out there and I don't care about how I feel because it's subjectivity.

02:26:56.000 I only care about the objective.

02:26:59.000 What I need to do in order to take you out of your comfort zone.

02:27:03.000 And this needs to be done at all costs.

02:27:06.000 Me, myself, how I feel, if I'm sick or not, what the other people think, that does not exist.

02:27:12.000 The only thing that exists and matters is the objectivity, the things that you need to do to succeed.

02:27:18.000 And these need to be done at all costs.

02:27:21.000 That's how you should think when you have a fight coming up.

02:27:25.000 People, they don't know that because nobody can really rely to that because not everybody that is a fighter.

02:27:31.000 But I know, as a fighter, I can tell you for certain that I'm sure they are both afraid.

02:27:37.000 It's normal.

02:27:38.000 Every fight, you're kind of afraid.

02:27:40.000 You can be confident, but you always have this idea in the back of your mind that, man, if I mess up, I could lose everything, all my legacy and everything.

02:27:47.000 It's normal.

02:27:48.000 And you should feel this way.

02:27:50.000 Because if you don't feel this way, my friend, it's the end of your career.

02:27:54.000 And that's when you take the big dive and now it's loss after loss after loss after loss.

02:27:59.000 It's...

02:28:01.000 Hopefully they're both afraid.

02:28:02.000 Because we want to see a good fight.

02:28:04.000 And I want to see the best of both guys.

02:28:07.000 See who's the best man.

02:28:09.000 Yeah, well, Hickson said that as well.

02:28:11.000 You know, when people say, are you afraid?

02:28:12.000 He says, I'm always afraid. 0.92

02:28:14.000 He goes, if you tell me that someone's not afraid, I'm like, that's a crazy person.

02:28:17.000 Bro, it's because do you have a pride?

02:28:19.000 Are you a proud person?

02:28:21.000 You want to be knocked out in front of everybody?

02:28:23.000 Like, no, I'm a proud person.

02:28:25.000 I don't want to be knocked out.

02:28:27.000 I don't want to be humiliated.

02:28:28.000 I'm afraid, not like a kid in the school yard that I'm afraid I'm running.

02:28:33.000 I'm afraid to not perform at my best.

02:28:36.000 I'm afraid that I zig when I should have zagged.

02:28:40.000 And I used to seek the help of sports psychologists because of that.

02:28:44.000 Because when I was looking around, when I was competing...

02:28:47.000 Everybody is putting a mask on.

02:28:49.000 Everybody is saying like, oh, they use the word excited.

02:28:52.000 Hey, I'm excited.

02:28:53.000 And even the sports psychologist used to tell me, George, stop saying you're afraid.

02:28:57.000 You're excited.

02:28:59.000 That does not apply here.

02:29:00.000 Like, I know my English is not perfect, sir, but...

02:29:03.000 You know, my sports psychologist is American.

02:29:05.000 He was American.

02:29:06.000 He said, don't stop saying you're afraid.

02:29:09.000 I know you're afraid that you had the same experience with Matt Serra.

02:29:14.000 It repeats itself, but you're excited to fight.

02:29:16.000 I'm like, no, I'm not excited.

02:29:17.000 I'm not afraid to admit that I'm afraid.

02:29:20.000 I'm excited if I'm in Montreal when it's minus 20 degrees Celsius and I know I'm going next week on vacation to the beach in Miami.

02:29:29.000 I'm excited.

02:29:30.000 Or if I fasted for three days and I'm about to eat my favorite dish, I'm excited.

02:29:36.000 I'm not afraid to not knowing if I will perhaps be badly hurt, humiliated, or win the ultimate prize.

02:29:46.000 And there's no shame in that.

02:29:48.000 There's no shame in that.

02:29:49.000 And it does not matter on the result if the fight would happen or not.

02:29:53.000 Because even if they are afraid, which they should...

02:29:56.000 If the instager of the fight are made and are correct, this hopefully will happen and we will have a great show.

02:30:07.000 I don't think that's what's keeping them from fighting each other.

02:30:10.000 I don't believe that Jon Jones is afraid in terms of...

02:30:13.000 I think, for sure, there's a high level of anticipation.

02:30:17.000 There's going to be some worry when it comes to the fight.

02:30:21.000 There's going to be some nervousness, for sure.

02:30:23.000 But I don't think he's afraid in terms of that's why he's not fighting Francis because he's scared to fight Francis.

02:30:30.000 I think it's a negotiation issue.

02:30:32.000 Yes.

02:30:33.000 For sure.

02:30:34.000 But I think that...

02:30:36.000 He makes a lot of good points.

02:30:38.000 This is the biggest fight.

02:30:40.000 The fight, if Jon Jones fights Francis Ngannou, you have...

02:30:44.000 Jon, again, he's undefeated.

02:30:48.000 No one's beaten him.

02:30:48.000 He should retire.

02:30:50.000 He has nothing else to accomplish.

02:30:52.000 If he wants to.

02:30:53.000 Oh, man, it's amazing.

02:30:55.000 If he wants to, he can retire.

02:30:56.000 Jon's made millions of dollars.

02:30:59.000 I think if they do fight, it will be the biggest fight in the history of the sport.

02:31:04.000 And I also believe he needs to be paid accordingly.

02:31:07.000 100%.

02:31:07.000 And if he wins that, that's the thing why the UFC might think.

02:31:11.000 Think about the business side.

02:31:14.000 And we see that often happen.

02:31:17.000 Let's say he fights.

02:31:19.000 Every fight left that could happen can only downgrade him because everybody will expect him to win.

02:31:28.000 He's a victim of his own success.

02:31:31.000 Well, up until this fight.

02:31:33.000 Everybody expected him to win up until this fight.

02:31:36.000 No, no, exactly.

02:31:36.000 But if he wins that fight...

02:31:39.000 What's left for a rematch?

02:31:41.000 It depends on how he wins.

02:31:43.000 Yeah, but maybe the UFC is aware of that and they want to keep the ball rolling.

02:31:50.000 Is that what you think?

02:31:51.000 I think that's why the fight with Khabib and I did not happen.

02:31:54.000 And I think that's why a lot of fights do not happen because the UFC is a business, you know?

02:32:00.000 Well, I think with Khabib and you, the primary concern was that you were going to do what you did with the Bisping fight.

02:32:06.000 You fought Bisping, you won the title, and you're like...

02:32:09.000 Have your title back!

02:32:10.000 See ya!

02:32:10.000 Well, it's a little bit more complicated than that, but I got sick too.

02:32:16.000 I got ulcer colitis.

02:32:18.000 Yes.

02:32:18.000 We'll talk about that too.

02:32:20.000 Do you think that that was because of the amount of food that you were eating?

02:32:24.000 See, this is also parallels what Gordon Ryan is dealing with.

02:32:27.000 Oh, he told you.

02:32:28.000 Okay, I didn't know if he...

02:32:29.000 No, he's talked about it publicly.

02:32:31.000 He called me for this.

02:32:32.000 Well, Gordon has an issue because he's eating all the time to try to maintain his mass.

02:32:37.000 And Gordon, he gained a lot, a lot of weight.

02:32:40.000 A lot of weight, and he lifts weights constantly, and he's eating all day long.

02:32:44.000 You were in that same situation where you had to force yourself to eat, to put on the weight necessary to fight at 185 pounds.

02:32:53.000 I only gained 10 pounds.

02:32:56.000 Normally, like I am now, like I always been, I'm about 184 pounds, 185 pounds.

02:33:02.000 Walking around.

02:33:03.000 Walking around.

02:33:04.000 That's your natural weight.

02:33:05.000 Before the fight with Bisping, I went up to 195. It took me a few months, maybe two months to reach that because I was eating all the time.

02:33:14.000 Did you consult a nutritionist?

02:33:15.000 Yes.

02:33:16.000 How did you do it?

02:33:17.000 What did you do?

02:33:17.000 I consult a guy, but it's different in bodybuilding and in MMA. I was taking protein shake, too, on top of that.

02:33:27.000 And creatine, it's a food supplement that helps water retention.

02:33:32.000 And I told the guy, I said, I didn't like it because it's good for explosion, for dynamic thing.

02:33:38.000 However, when I grappled, I felt I was having cramp.

02:33:40.000 When I was doing like isometric tension, like squeezing, I was having cramp.

02:33:45.000 You think that was creatine?

02:33:47.000 I think that's what it was.

02:33:48.000 So I stopped it at first, but I kept eating.

02:33:51.000 And I got bigger.

02:33:53.000 I got 195. But that was a mistake, Joe.

02:33:56.000 I should never have done that because I believe there's a genetic component.

02:34:01.000 There's also because I believe it's the stress and the fact that I eat too much.

02:34:05.000 I developed a situation called ulcer colitis.

02:34:08.000 I had very severe cramps at the point that, man, it was blood and it was very, very bad, Joe.

02:34:13.000 I thought at one point I had maybe cancer.

02:34:15.000 It was very bad.

02:34:16.000 But that fight was postponed a few times and had so much drama around it.

02:34:21.000 I knew that if I asked to postpone it because I wanted to do a colonoscopy, and when you do a colonoscopy, they give you a laxative to empty you.

02:34:31.000 And I was trying to gain weight.

02:34:32.000 I was not trying to lose weight.

02:34:34.000 So I told myself, whatever it is, the fight is happening very soon.

02:34:39.000 I'm going to fight and I'm going to do the exam after.

02:34:42.000 So I did this.

02:34:43.000 I won the fight.

02:34:44.000 It was great.

02:34:46.000 Then I went to do the exam.

02:34:48.000 I found out I was diagnosed with ulcer colitis, which is a condition that you're stuck for life with.

02:34:54.000 So, I was on severe medication.

02:34:58.000 What kind of medication?

02:34:59.000 It's called Salofalc. 1.00

02:35:01.000 It's something you put inside of yourself. 1.00

02:35:05.000 In your ass? 1.00

02:35:06.000 Yes, every night before you go to bed. 1.00

02:35:09.000 What a way to go to bed.

02:35:10.000 It's a very strong anti-inflammatory for the intestine.

02:35:15.000 So I got better from it, but I see it more as like a bandage that you put on an injury.

02:35:23.000 Like I wanted to heal it at the core.

02:35:25.000 And I'm not a fan of medication.

02:35:27.000 I'm more a fan of not always look for the natural way of doing things.

02:35:30.000 So I investigate about fasting.

02:35:33.000 And I found out that through internet research that the best way to deal with this for a lot of people, it was through fasting.

02:35:44.000 And I met with Dr. Jason Fong, who convinced me to start fasting.

02:35:49.000 And I practice long-term fasting.

02:35:52.000 I go four times a year, up to three days water fast.

02:35:57.000 And I train during those three days.

02:35:59.000 And I supplement myself with Himalayan salt to make sure I don't deplete my minerals.

02:36:05.000 So I do that four times a year, and I do also time-restricted eating, like 16-8.

02:36:11.000 And days that I do not train, I only eat once a day.

02:36:16.000 And that's what I did.

02:36:17.000 And immediately when I started that, and I even went on a scan at McGill University.

02:36:24.000 A scan is very accurate to see the changes on my body because my biggest concern was to lose muscle.

02:36:32.000 So it turns out that I did two months after my bisping fight.

02:36:36.000 So it turns out that I lost 10 pounds, you know?

02:36:41.000 I didn't lose muscle mass.

02:36:44.000 I didn't lose bone density.

02:36:46.000 I lost a lot of water retention, a lot.

02:36:51.000 It was the biggest loss that I had and fat percentage.

02:36:56.000 So basically, overfeeding myself Gives me dead weight.

02:37:02.000 Because all the weight that I was carrying was not solid muscular weight.

02:37:07.000 It was like a bag that I carry on my shoulder.

02:37:11.000 So I would have probably be better just competing in my natural weight.

02:37:17.000 And perhaps I would not have had that...

02:37:20.000 Ulcer colitis problem because now I'm stuck with it.

02:37:24.000 I'm symptoms free, bro.

02:37:26.000 I'm symptoms free.

02:37:28.000 I cannot recommend fasting to any of the audience because everybody is different, right?

02:37:32.000 Everybody has different genetics and problems.

02:37:35.000 However, it's worth to investigate.

02:37:37.000 For me, I'm symptoms free.

02:37:40.000 It took a few months that I was symptoms free.

02:37:43.000 And I mix fasting, also I eat a lot of fermented food, collagen supplements.

02:37:49.000 There's different kinds of collagen, different spectrums, and there's certain spectrums that are good for your gut.

02:37:56.000 What fermented foods did you find helped you the most?

02:37:58.000 Kimchi and I make my own...

02:37:59.000 I love kimchi.

02:38:00.000 I make my own Jun.

02:38:02.000 I made it.

02:38:03.000 Jun?

02:38:03.000 Jun.

02:38:04.000 It's like kombucha.

02:38:06.000 Oh, okay.

02:38:06.000 You have a mushroom.

02:38:07.000 You put green tea with...

02:38:12.000 Sugar?

02:38:13.000 Yeah, you let it infuse the green tea in water.

02:38:16.000 Then you take out the green tea pocket.

02:38:18.000 Then you put your...

02:38:21.000 Honey in it, inside you mix, and then you put the mushroom.

02:38:24.000 And the one that the mushroom used to be in, that's the one that you drink.

02:38:29.000 It looks disgusting, but that's how I get rid of it.

02:38:33.000 And it's an acquired taste.

02:38:34.000 After a while, you kind of loved it.

02:38:36.000 And it's very strong.

02:38:37.000 How is it different from kombucha?

02:38:40.000 I think the mushroom is different.

02:38:43.000 Can you spell it?

02:38:44.000 It's Jun.

02:38:45.000 G-U-N. Jun. 0.98

02:38:47.000 Like gun.

02:38:48.000 Gun, yeah.

02:38:49.000 I think in English it could be gun.

02:38:51.000 No, sorry.

02:38:52.000 J-U-N. My grandmother used to do that. 0.79

02:38:56.000 Here it is.

02:38:56.000 That's the one.

02:38:57.000 John Kombucha.

02:38:57.000 Actually, it could be the same.

02:38:59.000 It says, similar to kombucha, differing only in that its base ingredients are green tea and honey instead of black tea and cane sugar.

02:39:05.000 Oh, okay.

02:39:06.000 So it's brewed with the same...

02:39:10.000 Symbiotic culture of yeast and bacteria.

02:39:12.000 So it seems like it's the same mushroom.

02:39:15.000 Does it look like that in the center?

02:39:17.000 It is exactly like that.

02:39:18.000 Okay, I used to make my own mushroom or make my own kombucha.

02:39:23.000 It looks disgusting.

02:39:24.000 Oh, look at the difference.

02:39:24.000 And when I did it in the beginning, I was concerned because it looked so disgusting.

02:39:29.000 I'm like, am I going to get sick?

02:39:31.000 And yes, in the beginning when you first drink it, because you mix it with sparkling water, it makes you have kind of a...

02:39:39.000 A little bit of cramp because it's bacteria that you put inside of your stomach.

02:39:47.000 However, you get used to it.

02:39:49.000 And right now, I'm telling you the truth.

02:39:52.000 I might still have ulcer colitis, but I'm symptoms free.

02:39:56.000 But if you don't have symptoms, why would you have colitis?

02:40:00.000 Isn't it all about whether or not it's active?

02:40:02.000 It's inside of me.

02:40:03.000 It will be inside of me.

02:40:06.000 Forever?

02:40:07.000 Yes.

02:40:07.000 And I think the fact that I'm fasting, that's why I can drink and I can drink if I want to.

02:40:14.000 I can eat chocolate.

02:40:15.000 I can eat whatever I want.

02:40:16.000 It took me a few months to get symptoms free.

02:40:20.000 But I still have it.

02:40:21.000 Because sometimes you still feel it a little bit.

02:40:24.000 But very soon I'm very excited because I need to go back to the doctor to make another checkup and if Like, I mean, it's very unlikely.

02:40:33.000 I mean, it would defy science if I don't have it.

02:40:35.000 But if I do, it turns out that I don't have it, I would be like, oh, that's the blueprint to beat this.

02:40:41.000 Because the doctor told me I have it for the rest of my life.

02:40:44.000 Yeah, but isn't that also because most people don't fast the way you fast, and most people wouldn't be disciplined enough to do what you're doing with, even with intermittent fasting, as well as the three-day water fast.

02:40:54.000 Like, how many people do that?

02:40:56.000 Very few.

02:40:57.000 And it's not that hard.

02:40:58.000 It's not that hard.

02:40:59.000 When you tell that to people, the percentage of people that will actually go and do it are so small.

02:41:04.000 Joe, if you would have come up to me before I had ulcer colitis and talked to me about fasting, it would have come in my hair and go out, right?

02:41:13.000 Because I'm part of that society where we're bombarded by publicity or buy this, drink this, protein shake, this, this, that.

02:41:24.000 And I'm part of that culture too, so I was kind of brainwashed.

02:41:29.000 I was forced to try fasting because I was healed.

02:41:34.000 If I wouldn't not be healed, there is no way in the world you could have convinced me to that.

02:41:40.000 And that's what lead me to my other question.

02:41:44.000 Carnivore diet.

02:41:45.000 I want to try this.

02:41:47.000 You should try it.

02:41:48.000 Talk to me about it.

02:41:49.000 It sounds insane to me.

02:41:51.000 I only did it strictly for one month. 0.71

02:41:55.000 And during that month, I lost 13 pounds and I felt fucking great.

02:42:00.000 I had so much energy. 0.94

02:42:01.000 I got really lean and shredded.

02:42:03.000 Really?

02:42:04.000 Yeah.

02:42:04.000 Oh, my God.

02:42:05.000 And I had so much energy, but not just energy, mental energy, which is interesting.

02:42:09.000 But I only did it for a month.

02:42:11.000 I most of the time eat that way where I don't eat a lot of sugar, but I do love food.

02:42:17.000 I love to go to a restaurant and order pasta.

02:42:20.000 I love salad.

02:42:21.000 I like a delicious salad.

02:42:23.000 You're Italian, right?

02:42:24.000 Yes, I'm Italian.

02:42:25.000 But I like...

02:42:27.000 I love good food.

02:42:29.000 I love chef's creations.

02:42:31.000 I love sushi.

02:42:33.000 I like to go to a great sushi place.

02:42:35.000 So my problem is I enjoy the act of going to dinner and eating at a nice restaurant.

02:42:41.000 I like wine.

02:42:42.000 I like eating dessert.

02:42:43.000 I like all that stuff.

02:42:44.000 When you did it, did you supplement?

02:42:47.000 No.

02:42:48.000 Well, yes.

02:42:49.000 Vitamins.

02:42:49.000 Just vitamins.

02:42:50.000 But that's it.

02:42:51.000 Okay, okay.

02:42:51.000 But...

02:42:52.000 That's my question.

02:42:53.000 I traveled to Africa in Kenya.

02:42:56.000 I went to Maasai Maradu.

02:42:58.000 I did a safari.

02:43:00.000 I took my dad there.

02:43:01.000 And I met a tribe there.

02:43:03.000 They call them Maasai.

02:43:05.000 Very beautiful people, Joe.

02:43:07.000 And you should see they're shredded.

02:43:09.000 A lot of them...

02:43:09.000 They eat only meat.

02:43:10.000 Only meat, bro.

02:43:12.000 Like 90% meat.

02:43:13.000 They eat roots sometimes.

02:43:15.000 And how about the Eskimos?

02:43:18.000 Same thing, they eat fish.

02:43:20.000 How about the Comanche? 0.99

02:43:21.000 The Comanche Indians, who are the most fierce of all the tribes. 1.00

02:43:25.000 They actually roam this part of the world, in Texas.

02:43:27.000 They only ate buffalo.

02:43:29.000 That's all they ate.

02:43:30.000 However, I've been told that they don't eat the filet mignon.

02:43:35.000 They look for the organs.

02:43:36.000 The organs and fatty meats.

02:43:38.000 That's what they want, yeah.

02:43:40.000 So when you did your carnivore diet, did you eat organs as well?

02:43:44.000 Yeah, I ate a lot of liver.

02:43:45.000 I ate liver.

02:43:46.000 I even took supplements, like liver supplements.

02:43:48.000 There's a company called Heart and Soil, and they sell desiccated supplements like desiccated liver.

02:43:55.000 So it's dehydrated liver and heart and all these different things.

02:43:59.000 I took a lot of that stuff.

02:44:00.000 But mostly what I ate was wild game because I hunt, so I ate mostly elk.

02:44:06.000 Oh, it's very lean.

02:44:07.000 Very lean.

02:44:08.000 But I also ate bacon with that to sort of supplement to give myself fat.

02:44:12.000 And I eat ribeye steaks.

02:44:14.000 If I eat beef, I eat ribeye steaks.

02:44:16.000 If I eat buffalo, I also eat ribeyes.

02:44:17.000 When you say you eat ribeye and everything, did you always make sure that everything was grass-fed?

02:44:24.000 No, but I think that's better for you.

02:44:27.000 I do believe that's better for you, but I didn't.

02:44:29.000 I ate some corn-fed because it had more fat to it.

02:44:33.000 I think fat is the most important thing because you can't...

02:44:37.000 There's a thing called rabbit starvation.

02:44:39.000 Have you ever heard of that?

02:44:41.000 I'm not sure.

02:44:41.000 Perhaps.

02:44:42.000 Rabbits are so lean that if you eat only rabbits, you'll actually starve to death.

02:44:47.000 It's very dangerous because you don't have any fat.

02:44:50.000 You're not getting any fat out of your diet.

02:44:52.000 So you're going keto in a way.

02:44:55.000 It's not just keto.

02:44:57.000 Keto, you burn fat, right?

02:44:59.000 But with only 100% completely lean meat and nothing else, your body does not like that.

02:45:06.000 Your body wants fat for fuel.

02:45:08.000 There's a thing called gluconeogenesis that when you eat enough protein, your body converts that protein to glucose.

02:45:15.000 But when you need some fat, like fat is actually, you know, we're programmed to think that, oh, I want to eat low fat. 0.99

02:45:21.000 That's fucking terrible for you. 0.99

02:45:23.000 Low-fat is awful for you. 1.00

02:45:25.000 Low-fat stuff.

02:45:27.000 Lean meat is not bad, but you do need fat.

02:45:30.000 And fat is an important component for your diet, whether it's fat from avocado, fat from nuts and macadamia nuts, or whether it's a vegan fat or vegetarian fat, or whether it's fat from eggs.

02:45:42.000 People think that, oh, I want to eat all egg whites. 0.98

02:45:45.000 That's fucking terrible. 0.99

02:45:47.000 Yolk is where most of the nutrients are. 1.00

02:45:49.000 Yolks are good for you. 0.51

02:45:50.000 And when you say carnivore diet, do you eat fish as well?

02:45:53.000 Yes.

02:45:54.000 Just animal protein.

02:45:55.000 Fish, eggs, meat.

02:45:57.000 And I did it for an entire month.

02:45:59.000 And I'm telling you, I felt really good.

02:46:01.000 But you need to be crazy disciplined.

02:46:03.000 I did my DNA test.

02:46:06.000 I'm part Italian.

02:46:07.000 I'm like 15%.

02:46:08.000 I don't know why, but that's perhaps why I love to eat a lot of pasta and stuff like that.

02:46:15.000 Well, it's just It's delicious.

02:46:17.000 I don't think I can sustain that for one month, but I want to give it...

02:46:21.000 Oh, you could do it for a month.

02:46:22.000 I'm sure you could do it for a month.

02:46:23.000 No chocolate, nothing. 0.99

02:46:24.000 Man, it sucks. 0.98

02:46:26.000 The entire month, you know what I did? 1.00

02:46:27.000 It sucks. 0.97

02:46:28.000 I had a couple of pieces of chili mango. 0.99

02:46:31.000 One of my favorite desserts is chili mango.

02:46:33.000 You ever have that Mexican treat?

02:46:36.000 It's like a dried mango with chili powder on it.

02:46:39.000 Oh, it's so good.

02:46:40.000 It's one of my favorite cheat meals.

02:46:42.000 It's chili mango.

02:46:43.000 I love it.

02:46:43.000 Joe, I don't think I have your discipline.

02:46:45.000 Oh, you fucking... 1.00

02:46:46.000 Of course you did. 1.00

02:46:46.000 I might do it for a week, not for a month. 1.00

02:46:48.000 Come on, man.

02:46:49.000 You could do it.

02:46:49.000 Did you take a picture before or after or went in a scan?

02:46:54.000 Well, I was lucky that I was pretty fat before I did it.

02:46:57.000 I'd gotten to like 205 pounds and I just had gotten like a lot of like side fat and my stomach was bloated.

02:47:05.000 I was eating so much pasta. 0.98

02:47:07.000 That's my problem is I fucking love pasta. 0.99

02:47:10.000 And pasta makes me like I get a belly. 0.99

02:47:12.000 I love pasta. 0.99

02:47:13.000 Pasta and beer make my fucking stomach fat. 0.99

02:47:17.000 I'm a glutton man. 1.00

02:47:20.000 When I eat, I eat well past the point where I'm satisfied.

02:47:25.000 I just gorge myself.

02:47:27.000 But don't you think that's how we're supposed to be?

02:47:31.000 If you look at Untergetter, Food was scared.

02:47:37.000 And they didn't have food.

02:47:39.000 They didn't know when it was the last time they could eat.

02:47:42.000 So they used to feed as much as they can, then wait for the next one, right?

02:47:46.000 I think that's how we should do.

02:47:47.000 It's a good excuse.

02:47:49.000 But the reality is, I'm a glutton.

02:47:53.000 I'm a glutton.

02:47:54.000 I am.

02:47:54.000 I really am.

02:47:55.000 Like, yesterday, I had an ice cream sundae.

02:47:58.000 My kids wanted to get ice cream.

02:48:00.000 We got some ice cream. 1.00

02:48:00.000 And then I was like, come on, fucking ice cream sundae. 1.00

02:48:02.000 And I ate so much, I felt disgusting afterwards. 0.99

02:48:05.000 But while I was eating, I was like...

02:48:08.000 I have gluttonous instincts when it comes to food.

02:48:11.000 I always overeat.

02:48:12.000 Bro, it's a pleasure of life and, you know, I wouldn't be fully happy if I cannot enjoy it, you know?

02:48:19.000 And I think the fact that I'm fasting made me able to enjoy it.

02:48:24.000 Yes!

02:48:25.000 You've paid the price.

02:48:26.000 Yeah!

02:48:26.000 Yes, yes.

02:48:27.000 Like sleeping or eating.

02:48:29.000 Well, that's why I never stuck with the carnivore diet.

02:48:31.000 It's because I enjoy all kinds of food.

02:48:35.000 I am a fan of culinary arts.

02:48:39.000 Like, I'm not much of a cook.

02:48:40.000 I can cook meat.

02:48:41.000 I'm good at that.

02:48:42.000 And I can cook some pasta dishes and a couple other things.

02:48:45.000 But I love chefs.

02:48:46.000 I love...

02:48:47.000 I respect the art form.

02:48:48.000 I was good friends with Anthony Bourdain and I learned a lot from him.

02:48:52.000 And I just...

02:48:54.000 I learned a lot, first of all, before I ever met him, watching his program, but I love watching people cook.

02:49:00.000 I love television shows on cooking.

02:49:02.000 I love talking to chefs.

02:49:06.000 They're some of my favorite people to talk to.

02:49:08.000 I think they create a temporary art.

02:49:10.000 That's what that is.

02:49:11.000 It's an art form that you take in with your mouth, with your...

02:49:13.000 Your smells and just looking at it.

02:49:16.000 I love food.

02:49:18.000 I just love it.

02:49:19.000 We forget sometimes how much we're spoiled today.

02:49:24.000 True.

02:49:24.000 I'm just thinking about, you go back 13,000 years ago, man.

02:49:28.000 I was in L.A. right before I came here.

02:49:31.000 I went to La Brea Tarp.

02:49:33.000 Man.

02:49:33.000 Yeah, crazy, right?

02:49:35.000 Imagine when you kill an animal you have to eat and you eat the bone marrow, you eat everything.

02:49:40.000 You need to eat it fast because there is other predatory animals like Slimodon.

02:49:46.000 And man, it's just a scary thing.

02:49:48.000 And ice ages.

02:49:50.000 Forget about the nice jacket that we have.

02:49:52.000 Forget about Montreal.

02:49:53.000 How cold is Montreal?

02:49:55.000 Go to an ice age, man.

02:49:57.000 When you have like saber-toothed cat like running after you.

02:50:01.000 Holy shoot!

02:50:02.000 It's like...

02:50:03.000 Man, our ancestors are incredibly tough.

02:50:08.000 We're spoiled as hell.

02:50:10.000 The fact that human beings made it to 2021 with these soft bodies.

02:50:15.000 We're so soft.

02:50:16.000 Just compared to dogs.

02:50:18.000 You ever see dogs fight with each other?

02:50:20.000 They bite each other.

02:50:21.000 Nothing happens to them.

02:50:23.000 They got little tiny holes in them. 1.00

02:50:24.000 If a dog bit me, my arm would be fucked. 1.00

02:50:27.000 It would be torn apart. 1.00

02:50:28.000 We're so weak compared to most animals.

02:50:32.000 Where are we going with our society?

02:50:34.000 I think we're gonna lose muscle.

02:50:36.000 AI will take...

02:50:37.000 I was asking Lex Freeman because I was concerned.

02:50:41.000 I asked him, I said, what do you think about AI? Do you think it could be a threat?

02:50:45.000 Because I hear...

02:50:47.000 Elon Musk on your podcast.

02:50:49.000 He's terrified of it.

02:50:50.000 He's terrified.

02:50:51.000 So is Sam Harris.

02:50:52.000 Sam Harris is also equally fearful of the potential downsides and two of the most brilliant people that I know.

02:51:00.000 I'm afraid that in a way that AI could be a good thing for humans, for the development of humans.

02:51:07.000 However, in order to keep us safe, we need to eliminate us.

02:51:15.000 Because for our... 0.73

02:51:17.000 Little monkey brain plan, you and me, or, you know, like us as humans, who might think of doing certain things is the greater things for the greater of the humanity.

02:51:29.000 But maybe it's not, you know?

02:51:31.000 And if you have a superior intelligence that controls, you know what I mean?

02:51:38.000 They will protect us against ourselves, and the only way to do that is by eliminating some of the human. 0.96

02:51:45.000 I don't know.

02:51:46.000 Look what we do to the planet, man.

02:51:48.000 It's crazy.

02:51:48.000 Sometimes it makes me scare us.

02:51:50.000 Well, I think what we are is an imperfect creature, right?

02:51:54.000 So if you went back to ancient primates, Australopithecus or any of the ancient primates, and you said to them, one day you're not going to have any hair on your body or very little hair, And you're going to have to wear clothes everywhere.

02:52:08.000 And your feet are going to be so soft, you're going to have to wear shoes.

02:52:10.000 And then you're going to be protected because you can't live outside because your body is too weak.

02:52:14.000 So you're going to be protected by structures.

02:52:16.000 And you're not going to hunt anymore.

02:52:17.000 You're just going to go to a store.

02:52:18.000 And because of that, you're going to eat whatever you want.

02:52:20.000 So you're going to get fat.

02:52:21.000 And you're going to be really lazy because you can be lazy.

02:52:24.000 And society is going to protect you.

02:52:25.000 So it's going to give you all this food and resources.

02:52:28.000 And they're going to protect you and make you softer and softer and more dependent upon these systems.

02:52:33.000 We're good to go.

02:52:56.000 All the things that made human beings what we are today.

02:53:00.000 Men had to be strong.

02:53:01.000 We needed to conquer.

02:53:03.000 And we needed to fight off other conquerors that were trying to take over our land.

02:53:06.000 And we needed to be able to fight off predators.

02:53:08.000 Well, that's not necessary anymore.

02:53:09.000 So all those male instincts are going to be shunned and looked at as the worst possible part of our society and our culture.

02:53:16.000 Which is the only thing that really got us to where we are today.

02:53:19.000 I think if you say that to that Australopithecus, you will find it absurd.

02:53:25.000 Yes.

02:53:25.000 And you will not...

02:53:26.000 Be willing to go towards that direction.

02:53:29.000 So that's what I'm saying about AI. Perhaps we don't know what is the best thing for us.

02:53:35.000 I believe that AI, let's forget about artificial intelligence or AI, it's a term.

02:53:43.000 I think technology.

02:53:46.000 Is impossible to avoid at this stage of human evolution.

02:53:51.000 And I think most likely we are going to integrate with it.

02:53:54.000 And what Elon Musk is trying to do with Neuralink, are you aware of Neuralink?

02:53:59.000 Yeah, I've heard about what he...

02:54:01.000 Not too much, but I'm not educated like you, Elon Musk, but I've heard about what he's saying about it.

02:54:08.000 Hilarious, he put me and Elon Musk in the same sentence.

02:54:10.000 The concept is that there's going to be an invention that increases the bandwidth.

02:54:17.000 Now, first, it's going to be used for people that have...

02:54:20.000 Neurological disorders and injuries and spinal cord injuries and it's going to try to bridge the gap between the person's injury and their potential as a person.

02:54:33.000 They're going to be able to figure out a way to allow them to utilize their body in a way that they couldn't use it before because of the injury.

02:54:40.000 But then eventually it's going to be something once they become more proficient, once they get better at this technology, once this technology innovates sufficiently and gets more and more advanced, they're going to get to a point where it's going to be something that normal people use because it's going to increase the bandwidth between human beings and information and also increase the physical capability of the body.

02:55:07.000 And then with CRISPR, CRISPR is a technology that allows gene editing.

02:55:13.000 With that and with these integrated technologies like Neuralink and whatever comes after Neuralink, Neuralink is just one.

02:55:20.000 Like, you know, like the Morse code was one method of communication that existed a couple hundred years ago.

02:55:26.000 And then now it's a joke in comparison to what we have today.

02:55:30.000 Well, you take Neuralink and you go a couple hundred years from now, what kind of...

02:55:35.000 Symbiotic technologies we're going to have.

02:55:37.000 It's going to be nuts.

02:55:38.000 It's like having a cell phone connected directly to your brain, right?

02:55:42.000 Or Google even more.

02:55:44.000 Much, much more advanced.

02:55:46.000 This is the first step.

02:55:48.000 It's going to be godlike.

02:55:49.000 Human beings are going to have...

02:55:51.000 I think when you look at aliens, like when you think of the...

02:55:57.000 Archetypal alien, the archetype alien where they have these iconic images of this large head, little tiny bodies where they have no muscle.

02:56:05.000 That's going to be us.

02:56:06.000 I think what we're seeing when we see those things, if they are real, if people are experiencing those things, I think that's probably us in the future.

02:56:14.000 Or, if not us...

02:56:17.000 Some beings from other galaxies or other planets or other parts of the universe, other solar systems.

02:56:25.000 That's probably what happens if your civilization stays intact and you reach a thousand years from now, a million years from now, from where we are.

02:56:35.000 If they're similar to us in their developmental cycle, I think that's where we're going.

02:56:40.000 Your brain, you lose, your skin became pale. 1.00

02:56:43.000 Yeah, if you look at us, Compared to chimps, right? 0.93

02:56:46.000 That makes sense.

02:56:47.000 Chimps have smaller brains and bigger muscles. 0.99

02:56:49.000 Well, as they get further and further advanced, the head gets larger, the body gets softer.

02:56:53.000 And then you get further and further advanced from that.

02:56:56.000 You get to the point where the muscles are just almost non-existent.

02:56:59.000 And you just like these stick-like bodies and these enormous heads.

02:57:02.000 Because your brain...

02:57:04.000 And this is assuming, right, that these are biological entities in the first place.

02:57:09.000 Like maybe there's some sort of a combination of biology and intelligence.

02:57:15.000 Or artificial intelligence and technology to the point where they don't even reproduce with sex.

02:57:21.000 Like the thing that people always say about these...

02:57:23.000 No genitals. 0.93

02:57:23.000 Yeah, they have no genitals. 0.93

02:57:24.000 And their mouth doesn't even need to move around because they probably communicate telepathically.

02:57:30.000 And one of the things that Elon said when I talked to him about Neuralink, he said, you're not going to need to talk to communicate.

02:57:38.000 You're going to be able to talk through your mind.

02:57:41.000 You're going to be able to express.

02:57:42.000 And so that's what they always say about these alien beings.

02:57:45.000 That's going to be very hard to do because if we say a word, for example, mother.

02:57:52.000 Maybe mother for you is someone that took good care of you and everything. 0.68

02:57:56.000 But for another person, mother is someone who beat... 1.00

02:58:00.000 Right, but you're thinking about it in terms of the meaning that you attach to a word.

02:58:08.000 What you're going to be able to do is convey intent.

02:58:11.000 You're going to be able to convey thoughts and concepts which will be universally recognized without the use of language.

02:58:18.000 So, the problem we're thinking of is, like, the word, like, if you use Russian, the Russian word for a stove is different than a German word for a stove, which is different than a Japanese word.

02:58:30.000 It's all, like, it's hard.

02:58:31.000 That's one of the things about when people translate, and you know this better than anybody, because you speak multiple languages.

02:58:36.000 Yeah.

02:58:36.000 When you translate something from French to English, it's difficult finding the appropriate word.

02:58:42.000 Well, I think we're going to be able to convey thoughts.

02:58:46.000 Whew! 0.99

02:58:46.000 Without use of language. 0.99

02:58:48.000 And so it'll be more universal.

02:58:50.000 Wow.

02:58:51.000 This is one of the things that they say, people that have been abducted.

02:58:53.000 I had Travis Walton, this guy.

02:58:55.000 I've seen, I've seen, I've watched it.

02:58:58.000 This bobblehead.

02:58:58.000 Yeah, I've watched it.

02:58:59.000 He's very compelling in his descriptions of his encounter with these beings.

02:59:04.000 But one of the things that he was saying was they were talking to him, but it wasn't with words.

02:59:08.000 Like, they were communicating with him, and he understood what they were saying, but it wasn't, they weren't saying things.

02:59:16.000 You know, like, hey, Travis, why don't you relax? 0.98

02:59:20.000 Because we're here from planet fucking whatever it is. 0.96

02:59:22.000 The information was flowing faster because it was like, boom, right away, what I think, you get it. 0.98

02:59:28.000 Yes.

02:59:28.000 They were explaining things to him in some sort of a telepathic way.

02:59:32.000 Wow.

02:59:33.000 And it was mind-blowing to him.

02:59:34.000 And I think that that's probably the future of communication.

02:59:37.000 Just like you can transmit information from phone to phone, right?

02:59:43.000 You can call people.

02:59:44.000 They're nowhere near you but you can talk to them.

02:59:46.000 You can send a video to someone.

02:59:47.000 It's going through the air.

02:59:49.000 It's just data, right?

02:59:50.000 It's just information.

02:59:52.000 Do you think Travis and Bob Lazar and all these guys that have extraordinary claim believe what they are telling you?

03:00:03.000 I don't know if what they believe is true, but do you think they believe what they are telling you in a way that they're not lying, they're telling the truth of what they're believing?

03:00:14.000 I can't tell for certain, but I believe Bob Lazar.

03:00:17.000 I believe what he's saying is true.

03:00:20.000 I believe he's telling me.

03:00:21.000 Now, Bob, he had one moment where he was passing by a window and he said he saw something that was small and these people were standing over it and he didn't know if it was an alien or whether it was some sort of a...

03:00:43.000 Form that they were trying like a doll or something that's supposed to represent the size of an alien or some sort of a model of an alien But he remembers he looked briefly through a window and he saw something small.

03:00:57.000 He didn't see it move around didn't see it talk So he doesn't know what he saw because in his world as he explained it When he was working at Area 51 Site 4, that's where he worked, he said that it was very compartmentalized.

03:01:12.000 And he's saying it was one of the problems with them trying to figure out...

03:01:15.000 Now, this is assuming he's telling the truth.

03:01:17.000 Yeah, of course.

03:01:18.000 One of the problems they were trying to figure out was how to back-engineer these devices, these ships.

03:01:27.000 I think?

03:01:50.000 And if you listen to the podcast that I did with him, it didn't work because the scientific method requires multiple people to communicate and share ideas and explain.

03:02:00.000 And they didn't do that.

03:02:01.000 You can't improve like that.

03:02:02.000 You need to share ideas.

03:02:04.000 You can't do something and compartmentalize everything.

03:02:07.000 But my communication with him, again, I don't know if he was telling me the truth, but he didn't seem deceptive.

03:02:14.000 And he's a brilliant guy.

03:02:17.000 Yeah, he's clearly a borderline genius.

03:02:20.000 You hear him speak, he's very educated.

03:02:22.000 And some of the things that he talked about came to fruition.

03:02:26.000 One of the things was...

03:02:28.000 There was a concept of this thing called element 115. That was not really proven until the 2000s.

03:02:35.000 Somewhere in the 2000s, they used a particle collider and created this thing where it was a very unstable, very short-lived particle.

03:02:45.000 But he was saying that wherever these beings are from, they have figured out a way to utilize a stable version of this element 115 and that's how they propel themselves.

03:02:57.000 The things that he was describing Were also exactly the same things that were experienced by Commander David Fravor, who was a guy who was a jet pilot.

03:03:07.000 I saw, yeah.

03:03:08.000 Yeah, and so he experienced this thing move in that same direction, that same way, where there was no visible propulsion system, but they tracked this thing going from 80,000 feet above sea level to one in one second.

03:03:21.000 So that's the amount of time that it takes radar to track this.

03:03:25.000 So it might have been less than a second.

03:03:27.000 This thing traveled from 80,000 feet to 1,000. 0.89

03:03:31.000 No time.

03:03:31.000 To one feet.

03:03:32.000 It's like that thing with the hand.

03:03:34.000 It says you measure the distance between the bone and the...

03:03:38.000 When you get in, you put your hand in it and measure the distance between your bone and the...

03:03:43.000 Oh, the scanner.

03:03:44.000 Yes.

03:03:45.000 There is a lot of things like this.

03:03:49.000 Zacharias Sitchin was...

03:03:51.000 There's a lot of stuff that you can think of that how could they know that at the time?

03:03:59.000 But it's...

03:04:00.000 Man, it's...

03:04:00.000 Well, the Zacharias Sitchin stuff is interesting, right?

03:04:02.000 That's all the Sumerian text.

03:04:05.000 The Sumerian text is some fascinating stuff because it's all from 6,000 years ago.

03:04:11.000 And by the way, Zacharias Hitchin, he's very controversial.

03:04:14.000 There's even a website called SitchinIsWrong.com, and it's basically scholars of ancient Sumerian who say that his translations are completely off.

03:04:24.000 But even if his translations are off, there's still a lot of really confusing stuff about ancient Sumer.

03:04:30.000 And one of the things is their depictions of the solar system.

03:04:35.000 They had a depiction of the solar system 6,000 years ago that shows the sun in the center, and it shows all of the known planets in the outside, and they're relatively accurate in terms of the size.

03:04:51.000 Yeah, and how about the formation of the Earth?

03:04:53.000 Tiamat, Marduk, I don't remember which one is what, but that's...

03:04:58.000 Yeah, the formation of the Earth.

03:05:00.000 That's the model that we use today.

03:05:03.000 Well, the scientists...

03:05:04.000 The asteroid belt, like, that's the model that we use today.

03:05:09.000 How did they know that at that time?

03:05:10.000 I don't know how they knew that.

03:05:11.000 When you're saying it's Earth 1 and Earth 2, and what that means is that there was an original version of Earth, and then Earth was hit by another planet at some point in the distant, distant past.

03:05:23.000 And that's what created the moon, and that's also what created the asteroid belt.

03:05:26.000 That goes on the different direction than the rest of the planet.

03:05:32.000 Like, they knew that too.

03:05:33.000 Well, there's also a thing called Bode's Law, and Bode's Law measures the distance between planets, and it's based on the mass of the planet.

03:05:41.000 And they figure out, because of the mass of the planet, how far these planets are from each other.

03:05:46.000 And one of the things that fucks that up is the asteroid belt.

03:05:51.000 I might be wrong about this, but the distance between Mars and Jupiter is one of the things that screws that up.

03:05:58.000 And they think that's explained by the asteroid belt, that some collision created this asteroid belt and created all of the...

03:06:07.000 I mean, there's something like 900,000 known near-Earth objects that were created by the impact of these planets.

03:06:14.000 One thing I believe And I'm sure it's the same because you had a lot of these guys on your podcast, Graham Hancock, Randall Carson, John Anthony West.

03:06:27.000 There is clearly knowledge that we've lost in the past.

03:06:34.000 This is for sure.

03:06:35.000 Just think about the Library of Alexandria.

03:06:40.000 Man, imagine the knowledge that it wasn't there before it burned.

03:06:44.000 I know.

03:06:44.000 Imagine.

03:06:45.000 Imagine.

03:06:46.000 People think we lost like one millennia, like just when it burns, of knowledge, you know, medicine, botany, science.

03:06:56.000 It's just crazy to think of.

03:06:58.000 So very often, sometimes when crazy stuff happens like that, I just think that perhaps they have knowledge that That there's knowledge that we lost.

03:07:08.000 Just think about the Greek fire.

03:07:10.000 It's a weapon that was used in the naval battle.

03:07:13.000 And it's really, really known about historians.

03:07:17.000 You can research.

03:07:18.000 They still don't know exactly how it works, but it was so destructive.

03:07:23.000 It was like, at the time, it was like a secret weapon.

03:07:27.000 Like, they didn't want to share.

03:07:28.000 And it was known to be very efficient in naval battle.

03:07:32.000 I don't know what that is.

03:07:33.000 I don't know about Greek fire.

03:07:34.000 Greek fire.

03:07:35.000 If you go to Greek fire, you'll get it, boom. 0.99

03:07:37.000 It was used in naval battles.

03:07:41.000 They used to throw fire, flames.

03:07:45.000 People that are burning, they still burn in the water.

03:07:50.000 So they think it was made with some kinds of petrol or...

03:07:55.000 They still don't know.

03:07:56.000 They cannot recreate it.

03:07:58.000 And it's clearly something that a lot of historians have talked about.

03:08:02.000 It's called Greek fire.

03:08:04.000 It's just an example that it's clear that it's a technology that we have lost.

03:08:09.000 Well, if you just look at the pyramids, the pyramids are a perfect example of technology loss.

03:08:14.000 It's almost like the best example.

03:08:16.000 Those ancient civilizations almost letting everyone know, hey, there is information that we have that's so above and beyond what's expected of people from this era.

03:08:27.000 Because if you think about people that lived 2,500 B.C., You don't think about someone that had the kind of proficiency to create something that...

03:08:37.000 People don't understand.

03:08:38.000 It's not just that the pyramids were big, but they were so perfectly designed that when they put all the stones, they reached the top. 0.87

03:08:47.000 If anyone was off by even a half an inch at the bottom, as time went on, an inch here, an inch there, by the time they got to the top, it would be all fucked up. 0.93

03:08:56.000 It wouldn't be perfect. 0.66

03:08:57.000 But the pyramids were so amazingly perfect, and they were originally covered in smooth limestone.

03:09:03.000 So smooth, polished limestone that would probably be insane to look at if you were staring at it from a distance.

03:09:11.000 Like this immense structure of 2,300,000 stones, some of them cut from quarries hundreds of miles away, all perfectly aligned and put together by these people that lived thousands and thousands of years ago.

03:09:26.000 You know, most scholars would say that they use a ramp, but if you think about it, like, there's other scholars that would counter that by saying the construction of that ramp needs to be in an angle that it could be so difficult to do that it will challenge the construction of the pyramid itself,

03:09:45.000 you know?

03:09:45.000 Again, it's like, maybe they use a ramp.

03:09:47.000 I don't know what they use.

03:09:48.000 Yeah, we don't know, yeah.

03:09:49.000 But whatever they used, it's so amazingly precise that they were able to make this 2,300,000 stone structure.

03:10:01.000 Still to this day, I haven't been, but I have friends that have gone, like my friend Andrew Schultz just went.

03:10:08.000 Danica Patrick, the race car driver, she told me she just went. 0.99

03:10:11.000 People that I know that have been, my friend Eddie Bravo, when he went, you get to it, you're like, what the fuck?! 0.99

03:10:16.000 It's so big, apparently.

03:10:18.000 It's like an awakening.

03:10:19.000 Yes.

03:10:20.000 That our idea of what it is, when you see it in a photograph, it looks incredible.

03:10:25.000 But I guess I need to go.

03:10:26.000 Because I guess when you see it in person, it's just like a complete reset.

03:10:31.000 It recalibrates what people are capable of.

03:10:34.000 Because you have to think, like, man, this is 4,500 years old.

03:10:40.000 It's amazing.

03:10:41.000 Think about Darren Cuiou, Gobekli Tepe.

03:10:43.000 Yes!

03:10:44.000 And man, it's...

03:10:45.000 The thing that happened...

03:10:47.000 10,000 years older, right?

03:10:48.000 Yeah, it's like 12,000 years old, you know?

03:10:51.000 At least.

03:10:52.000 At least.

03:10:53.000 Like, how do you conceive that?

03:10:55.000 And sometimes what happens is it gets, you know, infected by other civilizations that pass there after that construction.

03:11:05.000 So they think they are the one that built it.

03:11:08.000 I think it's...

03:11:10.000 Pumapunku.

03:11:11.000 There's clearly two different technologies.

03:11:13.000 You see the stones are perfectly cut.

03:11:18.000 Then you have other stones that are just on top.

03:11:21.000 It's like a butcher's job.

03:11:24.000 And It's clearly not the same technology, the same people that built these two layers.

03:11:31.000 Right.

03:11:31.000 Well, that was also John Anthony West's concept of Egypt, that there's multiple eras, and that if you go deeper, like some of the stuff that they found when they dig deeper in the sand was a different construction method.

03:11:43.000 It looked different.

03:11:43.000 Different designs, but still equally complex and fascinating.

03:11:48.000 It's like there's probably many eras of human civilization, and there's probably been...

03:11:54.000 Whatever it is, whether it's disease or some sort of a natural disaster or something that happened.

03:12:01.000 Asteroidal impact was John Anthony or was Randall Carlson's and Graham Hancock's.

03:12:07.000 That's their theory.

03:12:08.000 12,000 years ago at the end of the Pleistocene era.

03:12:12.000 Homo sapiens date to 3,000 years old.

03:12:18.000 How many?

03:12:20.000 3,000.

03:12:20.000 No, no.

03:12:21.000 Homo sapiens.

03:12:22.000 Homo sapiens, 3,000.

03:12:24.000 I think it's older than that.

03:12:25.000 I think it's several hundred thousand.

03:12:26.000 300,000.

03:12:27.000 Sorry, my English.

03:12:31.000 Homo sapiens is 300,000 in Morocco.

03:12:34.000 I'm 100% sure.

03:12:35.000 That's why I read about this kind of stuff.

03:12:38.000 I think they think it's somewhere in that neighborhood.

03:12:40.000 Yeah, but if you take that 300,000 times for an evolution, why would it be only in the last...

03:12:51.000 Twelve, ten thousand years that we would, you know...

03:12:54.000 Invent such immense structures.

03:12:57.000 It's kind of strange.

03:12:58.000 It doesn't make sense to me.

03:12:59.000 Well, it's also we're so different from all the other animals.

03:13:01.000 Like, we're the only animal that wears shoes.

03:13:03.000 We're the only animal that wears clothes.

03:13:04.000 We're the only animal that really manipulates its environment the way we do. 0.90

03:13:08.000 I mean, other animals think, you know, bees make beehives and shit like that, but they don't...

03:13:12.000 Do anything remotely interesting in comparison to what we're capable of doing and what we have done for thousands and thousands of years.

03:13:19.000 And why?

03:13:20.000 You know, one of the things that Bob Lazar said that he was taught when he was at Area 51-S4 was that one of the things that they were telling him was that human beings are the product of accelerated evolution and that these creatures occasionally come back to check upon our progress.

03:13:40.000 Yeah, which is crazy.

03:13:42.000 But that might be how it works throughout the universe, is that these beings that are very far advanced, they come back and they see these creatures that are pretty close and they give them a little boost.

03:13:54.000 They push them ahead a little bit.

03:13:56.000 Because otherwise it would take so long.

03:13:58.000 And maybe we don't have them out of time because of the fact that we're in this... 0.96

03:14:02.000 Fucking shooting gallery of asteroids, that these things come down and whatever progress you make is wiped out by impacts or by super volcanoes. 0.92

03:14:10.000 It's crazy, but it's not that crazy. 0.98

03:14:12.000 If you look at the belief of human beings through evolution, you know, like in ancient Greek, they believe in different, they were believing in different gods, like in different times, different civilization had different beliefs.

03:14:26.000 Now, some people believe Jesus walked on water, you know, which is fine too.

03:14:29.000 That's their belief, you know.

03:14:31.000 If you believe that human was the result of alien beings, it's another belief. 0.89

03:14:40.000 Everybody believes in different things.

03:14:43.000 It's not that crazy if you think about what we're doing.

03:14:45.000 They just landed a helicopter on Mars.

03:14:48.000 Like, yesterday.

03:14:49.000 Yeah, it was recently, yeah.

03:14:50.000 Yeah, so we're doing weird shit by sending things to other planets, and they roam around and take photographs and send it back to us, and we watch these high-resolution images from the surface of Mars.

03:15:02.000 This is just within the last, you know...

03:15:06.000 Less than a hundred years we're capable of doing this.

03:15:09.000 Who knows what's going to happen in a few thousand years?

03:15:12.000 So if human beings stay alive and the Earth stays in one piece for a few thousand years and then we're sending things out to various planets and maybe that's what these beings are.

03:15:24.000 Maybe these beings are these artificial intelligent robots that other intelligent entities have constructed and send out to the galaxy.

03:15:32.000 I'm gonna tell you something in the future because now we know there is more and more planets that are finding the Goldilocks zone, right?

03:15:38.000 That could potentially be habitable.

03:15:42.000 Man, I'm sure if in the future human beings we find another civilization in one of those planets, we'll mess up with their genetic material.

03:15:52.000 100%.

03:15:53.000 If we found some monkey in the jungle and we said, listen, we'll keep most of them by the way they are. 0.80

03:15:58.000 We'll take a few of them.

03:15:59.000 We'll pull them aside and run some tests on them.

03:16:01.000 But we take monkeys and we do experiments on them where we see if things are toxic.

03:16:07.000 They try medicine on monkeys.

03:16:09.000 They use makeup.

03:16:11.000 They try makeup on monkeys to see if it's bad for them.

03:16:15.000 They do all kinds of horrible experiments with monkeys, and they've done it forever to see cancer drugs and all sorts of other things that are effective or toxic.

03:16:23.000 Some scientists are talking now that they think some of the monkeys have reached Stone Age.

03:16:28.000 They use tools to fish and it's crazy.

03:16:33.000 Yes, that's true, right?

03:16:34.000 They think some primates have entered the sun age.

03:16:36.000 They enter the Homo habilis part.

03:16:42.000 Habilis is when they use tools.

03:16:44.000 That's kind of crazy.

03:16:45.000 Like Homo habilis a little bit.

03:16:48.000 It's kind of nuts to think of that.

03:16:51.000 It is interesting when you think of the possibility.

03:16:52.000 It doesn't end here.

03:16:54.000 It doesn't end with us.

03:16:55.000 It's not like we're the perfect being and this is as advanced as things get.

03:16:59.000 We know that we are far more advanced technologically than things that we're aware of historically that we can for sure prove existed because we can watch videos of them.

03:17:10.000 We can watch videos of people that lived in the 1920s.

03:17:12.000 So we look at the way they lived.

03:17:14.000 We look at the historical record of medical experiments and medical treatments that they did on people that were just 100, 200 years ago where they wrote things down.

03:17:25.000 We know exactly what people knew then as opposed to what they knew now. 0.97

03:17:30.000 Shit, if we just go back to 1950... 0.98

03:17:33.000 The comparison to people, what they did in terms of medicine and medical technology, it's so advanced now. 0.99

03:17:39.000 And this is 70 years later.

03:17:40.000 It's not that long.

03:17:41.000 The progress goes exponentially.

03:17:45.000 I'm wondering, and we talk about perhaps the possibility of lost civilization.

03:17:51.000 How advanced were they?

03:17:54.000 Is that possible that they reached Mars and they're the one that left pyramids there?

03:17:59.000 Who knows?

03:18:00.000 In a crazy world, you never know.

03:18:02.000 Well, if we were wiped out except for a few thousand people, and that few thousand people lived like cave people, lived like savages, and they made their way through the eras and eventually reinvented all the things that we have today, but there was no record left of what we have.

03:18:18.000 Have you ever seen some of those...

03:18:22.000 Photographs of places that were abandoned, and not that long ago in Russia.

03:18:28.000 Like, you know, places that were abandoned just a few decades ago.

03:18:33.000 Chernobyl, right?

03:18:34.000 Chernobyl's a good advance. 1.00

03:18:35.000 Nature take over.

03:18:37.000 They destroy everything.

03:18:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:18:38.000 A thousand years from now, there wouldn't be shit left. 0.99

03:18:42.000 Except things like Gobekli Tepe. 0.98

03:18:45.000 Stone structures.

03:18:46.000 I had the chance to go on site for paleontology and ask some geologists.

03:18:52.000 Where'd you go?

03:18:52.000 I went to many places.

03:18:54.000 I went to Argentina, Patagonia, Alberta, Canada.

03:18:59.000 I went to Dakota.

03:19:01.000 Many places.

03:19:02.000 I want to go in North Africa soon because...

03:19:05.000 There were very interesting life there back in the Cretaceous.

03:19:10.000 North Africa, like Egypt? 0.95

03:19:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:19:12.000 Egypt, Morocco, and various places.

03:19:14.000 They're finding new fossils now.

03:19:17.000 It was probably one of the most dangerous places where they had like super predator.

03:19:24.000 The niche for super predator was amazing.

03:19:27.000 But what I was going to say.

03:19:30.000 So yeah, I asked them.

03:19:32.000 I said, how about a city like New York?

03:19:35.000 How much time would it take to be destroyed by nature if an apocalypse happened?

03:19:40.000 And it doesn't take that long.

03:19:42.000 A thousand years?

03:19:43.000 Yes!

03:19:44.000 It doesn't take that long.

03:19:45.000 Like, they say a thousand years.

03:19:47.000 That's the answer they gave me.

03:19:48.000 And they say to me that the things that will stay the longest is the structures that are built in rock.

03:19:56.000 Yeah.

03:19:57.000 Yes.

03:19:58.000 Because the structure that will...

03:20:00.000 How do you say?

03:20:02.000 The water will mix with the metal and it will...

03:20:05.000 Corrode.

03:20:05.000 Corrode and everything.

03:20:07.000 So all the building that we see...

03:20:09.000 Let's say there is like the ice sheet melt...

03:20:14.000 Or a comet hit Antarctica and there is like a big ocean rise...

03:20:20.000 This can all go away in a blink of an eye, my friend.

03:20:24.000 That's a scary thing.

03:20:25.000 It is.

03:20:26.000 It's pretty scary.

03:20:26.000 It'd be nothing but the foundations.

03:20:28.000 Yes, and that's what Randall Carson talks about, right?

03:20:31.000 He talks about the rapid rise of the ocean, which is maybe something that has happened in the past, and that's why perhaps we've lost everything.

03:20:41.000 We're so dependent on cell phones and things.

03:20:43.000 I don't know how to live as an hunter-gatherer anymore.

03:20:47.000 No, most people don't.

03:20:48.000 We will die, man. 0.93

03:20:49.000 We will die.

03:20:50.000 If we lose our technology, how would we survive?

03:20:52.000 Most people won't survive.

03:20:54.000 Most people won't survive if we lose our technology.

03:20:56.000 But some will, and they'll relearn things.

03:20:59.000 And that's what Randall thought of.

03:21:01.000 And that's the Younger Dryas impact theory.

03:21:04.000 That's what that is.

03:21:05.000 And that means we will become the myth, the folklore of people who have technology.

03:21:11.000 We'll be Atlantis.

03:21:12.000 We'll be the theory of Atlantis.

03:21:14.000 Maybe that's what happened.

03:21:15.000 I don't know.

03:21:16.000 It's possible.

03:21:17.000 We live in a very interesting time.

03:21:19.000 We live in a very interesting time that we found out more and more about those things.

03:21:25.000 Well, you see how what happened just with coronavirus, just with the pandemic where civilization sort of crumbles.

03:21:32.000 Partially.

03:21:32.000 I mean, things fall apart.

03:21:34.000 In Los Angeles, you drive down the road, you see buildings boarded up.

03:21:39.000 All these places that used to have thriving businesses are gone.

03:21:42.000 Restaurants are gone.

03:21:44.000 Tents are everywhere.

03:21:45.000 People living on the street.

03:21:46.000 It's crazy.

03:21:47.000 And that's just a very...

03:21:49.000 In terms of the way diseases have impacted our culture, that's a small disease.

03:21:55.000 It's a disease that only kills a small percentage of people.

03:21:58.000 Think of the Black Plague.

03:22:01.000 Ebola.

03:22:01.000 Yellow Fever.

03:22:02.000 Oh my god.

03:22:03.000 The Black Plague.

03:22:04.000 One third of Europe.

03:22:06.000 Dead. 1.00

03:22:07.000 And lasted a long fucking time too. 1.00

03:22:10.000 Kill people for a long time. 1.00

03:22:13.000 I think they thought it was because of their sins. 0.99

03:22:17.000 They found out after it was because of the rat that carries the...

03:22:20.000 Mites.

03:22:21.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

03:22:22.000 You know, our ignorance sometimes take away our ability to evolve, right?

03:22:29.000 Well, I think we are clearly in an adolescent stage of learning and growing.

03:22:35.000 And as much as we know now in comparison to what we knew a hundred years ago or a thousand years ago, we're just learning.

03:22:42.000 We're just beginning.

03:22:43.000 And it's...

03:22:44.000 We're also in this very volatile environment in Earth.

03:22:47.000 We're ruining the planet, so we're polluting it. 0.89

03:22:51.000 We're filling the atmosphere with all sorts of chemicals and bullshit, and we're fucking up the ocean and dumping chemicals in the rivers and streams, and we're pulling all the fish out of the ocean. 0.97

03:23:00.000 It's chaos, and we've got to right the ship. 0.96

03:23:03.000 Just even if nothing hits us, just even if we don't have a...

03:23:08.000 Yellowstone has thousands of earthquakes every year.

03:23:12.000 There's a massive super volcano in Yellowstone that every 600,000 to 800,000 years blows up.

03:23:18.000 We're overdue.

03:23:21.000 Do you think they will know ahead of time?

03:23:23.000 No.

03:23:24.000 Oh man, that scares me.

03:23:26.000 You sure about that?

03:23:27.000 Yeah, I don't think so.

03:23:28.000 I know you do a lot of podcasts with different scientists.

03:23:32.000 Have you ever talked to a guy like this and asked him that question?

03:23:36.000 Yes.

03:23:36.000 Because that's presently...

03:23:38.000 My biggest fear.

03:23:40.000 Supervolcanoes?

03:23:40.000 Like Yellowstone, that one is the one because we're overdue.

03:23:44.000 Yeah, we're overdue.

03:23:45.000 And there is, I don't know if it's misinformation, but I pay attention to certain things on the internet sometimes and I see that it starts to move a little bit.

03:23:52.000 Like they talk about some of the activity that goes on there.

03:23:56.000 It could happen quick.

03:23:57.000 That could be another apocalypse if it happens.

03:23:59.000 Yes, and it's not the only one. 0.99

03:24:01.000 There's multiple active supervolcanoes in the world that if they blow, we're fucked. 0.97

03:24:07.000 And I think if I was an alien civilization and I was monitoring Earth, and I'd be like, well... 0.92

03:24:13.000 We gotta help these things.

03:24:14.000 Move them along quicker because the place they live is crazy.

03:24:18.000 The place they live, they only have a certain amount of time to evolve in order to escape.

03:24:22.000 If their life is going to get to a point where they're so advanced that they can populate the universe and move out into other galaxies, you gotta help them.

03:24:32.000 We gotta help them.

03:24:33.000 Because these little monkeys, they don't have a shot. 0.99

03:24:35.000 They're gonna get hit.

03:24:37.000 But as much as brilliant as they are, the incredible things they've created, they still don't have enough time to evolve to the point where they could get out of there before they get hit.

03:24:47.000 We live in a zone that it's like crossing an highway with our eyes closed, you know?

03:24:53.000 That's a good way to put it.

03:24:54.000 Boom! 0.99

03:24:55.000 Might get hit by a comet or a volcano.

03:24:57.000 Yeah, it's true.

03:24:58.000 It's very unstable.

03:24:59.000 We think that it's stable because the life of a human being can perhaps extend to 100 years old, but it's been around for a long time.

03:25:08.000 That's part of the problem, right?

03:25:10.000 Our life is so short that we don't have enough information.

03:25:14.000 Unless people are writing things down, and even if they're writing things down, unless they're writing things down on stone, it's not going to survive past an apocalypse.

03:25:21.000 That's right.

03:25:22.000 It disappears.

03:25:22.000 Because the paper is going to be gone.

03:25:24.000 They find things like the Dead Sea Scrolls.

03:25:29.000 It's all written on animal skins.

03:25:31.000 And they found them in a cave in Qumran.

03:25:35.000 It's like these things and they have to do DNA tests on the skins to make sure they align them together when they're trying to piece together these little pieces of a story that these people are trying to tell from thousands and thousands of years ago.

03:25:47.000 That's why I think Gobekli Tepe is so fascinating because it's on rock and there is carving of animals that are not even indigenous of that area.

03:25:56.000 Yes!

03:25:56.000 It's like, how the hell?

03:25:57.000 Not only that, the carvings aren't carvings.

03:26:00.000 They're 3D structures.

03:26:03.000 So it's not like someone carved into the stone.

03:26:07.000 They removed all the stone around it.

03:26:10.000 Who?

03:26:11.000 Have you ever seen it?

03:26:12.000 No, I thought it was carving.

03:26:15.000 It is carving, but it's not a carving like there's a flat stone and there's a drawing carved in.

03:26:21.000 It's a 3D thing.

03:26:23.000 So that means they carved away all the stone around these little things, which is far more complex.

03:26:28.000 I think there's a message out there because they deliberately...

03:26:33.000 Buried the whole site, man.

03:26:35.000 Yeah, they deliberately did, but they don't know who did that and they don't know why.

03:26:38.000 So it goes to some of the other ones. 0.67

03:26:40.000 There's some more interesting ones that show some of the weird shit of animals and stuff.

03:26:46.000 But there's some of the cooler ones in Gobekli Tepe that show these three-dimensional little creatures.

03:26:55.000 See if you Google three-dimensional stone carvings on Gobekli Tepe.

03:27:01.000 That one right there.

03:27:02.000 That one in the far left of your cursor, Jamie.

03:27:04.000 There is one that has...

03:27:05.000 No, above that.

03:27:06.000 Go above.

03:27:07.000 Right there.

03:27:07.000 Boom.

03:27:08.000 So that's a perfect example.

03:27:09.000 Joe, there is one...

03:27:10.000 See, look at that one.

03:27:10.000 That's a complete 3D thing.

03:27:13.000 So they carved out all the stuff around it to create whatever that is. 0.97

03:27:18.000 A lizard or whatever the fuck it is? 0.94

03:27:19.000 There is one that is an image of someone that is holding someone that is holding someone. 0.98

03:27:25.000 Yeah.

03:27:26.000 And that's, when you talk about ancestors, what does that mean?

03:27:31.000 You know what I mean?

03:27:32.000 There's a lot of conspiracy theorists about that one.

03:27:35.000 You know the one I'm talking about?

03:27:36.000 The carving of, you can't see the head, but you see it's like a human is holding a baby, but you don't know which one is the first one.

03:27:45.000 Is that it?

03:27:47.000 I don't know.

03:27:48.000 They're all cool.

03:27:49.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:27:50.000 It's cool shit. 0.99

03:27:50.000 I think there could be a message there because, you know, I think there's something to learn out there. 0.99

03:27:57.000 I mean, we live in a very interesting time.

03:27:59.000 It's fascinating.

03:28:00.000 Well, one of the more fascinating things about the construction of the pyramids and the hieroglyphs is none of the hieroglyphs show the pyramid in various stages of construction.

03:28:11.000 You would think...

03:28:11.000 You'd want to write that down.

03:28:13.000 Of course.

03:28:14.000 You're writing down all this other stuff, like Enki and people traveling to the dark lands and this is the afterlife.

03:28:19.000 They wrote all that stuff down.

03:28:21.000 They didn't bother writing down how they created one of the most...

03:28:24.000 Unless they did it in the library of Alexandria and it got burnt up.

03:28:27.000 But in the hieroglyphs, they don't have a depiction of the pyramid in various stages or the sphinx in various stages.

03:28:36.000 There's only a couple images, I believe, of them even moving stones.

03:28:41.000 Wow. 1.00

03:28:41.000 It's wild shit, man. 1.00

03:28:44.000 Yeah, we don't know. 1.00

03:28:45.000 And I think a lot of people are afraid to admit when they don't know, so they made up stories.

03:28:50.000 Could be.

03:28:50.000 Yeah, could be.

03:28:52.000 And I think it takes courage and guts to say you don't know.

03:28:56.000 Well, archaeologists are also very reluctant to entertain any other ideas other than the ones they've been teaching and writing books about.

03:29:03.000 So that's one of the things that Graham Hancock and also Robert Schock Ran into when they were trying to show images of the erosion that appears on the Temple of the Sphinx.

03:29:14.000 That seems to indicate that it's the result of thousands of years of rainfall.

03:29:19.000 They violently oppose these ideas.

03:29:21.000 Some say it's the wind, but their arguments are not very strong.

03:29:26.000 I like the one of Robert Chuck much better.

03:29:29.000 Well, he's a geologist.

03:29:30.000 I mean, his whole field of study is studying water.

03:29:33.000 And I did a podcast with him, too, back in the day.

03:29:35.000 Yeah, I've seen all that.

03:29:36.000 Really interesting stuff, man.

03:29:38.000 All those ideas are fascinating because if they're correct, and it seems like they are, it seems to indicate that this...

03:29:55.000 Oh, yeah.

03:30:10.000 So you gotta go thousands of years before the construction of the pyramids.

03:30:13.000 So the reason why they put this date is because perhaps it has been contaminated by a more recent civilization that went there.

03:30:26.000 That doesn't mean that it's the one that built it.

03:30:29.000 Right.

03:30:29.000 That's what they think about the Sphinx.

03:30:31.000 Because the head of the Sphinx is smaller than the rest of the body.

03:30:34.000 And the head of the Sphinx is clearly a man.

03:30:37.000 They probably did it like a pharaoh probably contracted them to build that.

03:30:44.000 But it seems smaller.

03:30:46.000 It's out of proportion to the rest of the Sphinx.

03:30:48.000 So at one time, it might have been a lion. 1.00

03:30:50.000 And then some guys say, like, fuck that lion. 1.00

03:30:52.000 Make my head. 1.00

03:30:53.000 I think I've heard to the...

03:30:57.000 I think it's 12,000...

03:30:59.000 11,800, it was pointing to the Leo constellation.

03:31:03.000 Yeah, the Leo constellation, yeah.

03:31:04.000 That's why they think it's a lion, but...

03:31:07.000 I don't know. 0.99

03:31:08.000 I'm too dumb to know. 0.97

03:31:11.000 It's interesting though. 0.98

03:31:12.000 I like to contemplate the idea.

03:31:14.000 I just hope it is true.

03:31:16.000 Because we feel so lonely.

03:31:18.000 I hope all that is true.

03:31:21.000 If there's anything that I hope, I hope that aliens are real.

03:31:23.000 And that's my problem with my own thinking about it, is that I want it to be true so badly.

03:31:30.000 That I almost ignore evidence to the contrary. 1.00

03:31:33.000 That's also why I get angry when I talk to someone who's full of shit. 1.00

03:31:36.000 When I know they're a liar and I know that they're lying about UFOs and their ability to contact UFOs and all the information that they know. 1.00

03:31:44.000 Like, okay. 1.00

03:31:45.000 You don't know shit. 1.00

03:31:46.000 The fucking government is trying to figure this out. 1.00

03:31:49.000 Sometimes people... 1.00

03:31:52.000 Believe what they believe.

03:31:53.000 You know, they believe their own stories, but it doesn't mean they are lying.

03:31:57.000 They believe what they've seen is...

03:32:01.000 You know what I mean?

03:32:02.000 So they make their own movies in their minds.

03:32:05.000 But what's your brain...

03:32:07.000 Your eyes look at the perception that it gives your brain sometimes.

03:32:12.000 It's not the truth.

03:32:14.000 Well, that's why the most fascinating encounter to me was Commander Fravor.

03:32:20.000 Because he's a fighter jet pilot.

03:32:22.000 And he knows what he's looking at.

03:32:23.000 And he also doesn't have any other stories like that.

03:32:26.000 He's a hardcore, legitimate pilot.

03:32:29.000 He's a pilot who doesn't have a history of telling fantastic stories.

03:32:33.000 He has one encounter with this thing that behaved in a way that they can't explain, actively blocked their radar, jammed their radar, which is technically an act of war.

03:32:45.000 And then behaved in a way, like moved in a way that they can't explain.

03:32:48.000 And they tracked it.

03:32:49.000 And they have video of this thing and they, you know, they know it's a thing. 0.99

03:32:52.000 They don't know what the fuck it is. 0.97

03:32:54.000 They don't know what it was doing there or why it was doing there. 0.99

03:32:57.000 And he also said that it was hovering above something that was in the ocean.

03:33:00.000 There was, it was some waves washing over this thing.

03:33:03.000 So it was clearly some large craft and it's hovering above it and then met them and looked at them.

03:33:09.000 Like it was, it was turning towards them.

03:33:11.000 So it was aware that they were there.

03:33:13.000 There's different theory about these things.

03:33:15.000 Some people believe it could come from deep down in the ocean.

03:33:20.000 Some people, Jacques Vallée, believe it's from another dimension.

03:33:23.000 Some people believe it's human from the future.

03:33:26.000 Some people believe it's from another star system. 1.00

03:33:29.000 Some people believe that everybody is full of shit and it's not true. 1.00

03:33:34.000 Who knows? 1.00

03:33:34.000 I don't know, man. 1.00

03:33:35.000 It's cool to talk about that.

03:33:36.000 I want it to be true, bro.

03:33:38.000 I really want it.

03:33:39.000 And it affects my judgment sometimes.

03:33:41.000 Yes, me too!

03:33:42.000 I'm glad you're honest about that.

03:33:43.000 That's exactly how I feel.

03:33:45.000 It affects my judgment.

03:33:46.000 But hey, brother, so good to see you again.

03:33:48.000 Thanks for being here, man.

03:33:50.000 I really enjoyed it.

03:33:51.000 John!

03:33:52.000 Always a pleasure.

03:33:53.000 Joe, thank you.

03:33:54.000 And man, it's good to see you.

03:33:55.000 You haven't aged a bit.

03:33:57.000 You're like wine.

03:33:58.000 You get better with age.

03:33:59.000 And you're still carrying that bazooka of a spinnick back kick as a little weapon in your pocket.

03:34:06.000 It doesn't get better than this, my friend.

03:34:09.000 And you, my friend, you are a perfect example of a fighter who lived their career, did it all, became a champion, but then got out on your own terms.

03:34:18.000 I love that.

03:34:19.000 You are a great example to young fighters coming up.

03:34:22.000 Thank you, Joe.

03:34:22.000 A perfect model.

03:34:23.000 I want to be like you when I grow up.

03:34:25.000 Thank you.

03:34:27.000 Goodbye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 07, 2021

JRE MMA Show #107 with Georges St-Pierre

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