The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1630 - Dan Crenshaw

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00:00:14.000 I have a theory in this place.

00:00:16.000 This place, Austin?

00:00:18.000 No, your studio.

00:00:19.000 Oh, what's the theory?

00:00:21.000 Tell me the theory.

00:00:22.000 Well, it looks like a spaceship.

00:00:23.000 Yes.

00:00:25.000 So here's my theory, which is you had this grand master plan to get Elon Musk to admit that he's an alien.

00:00:30.000 He's definitely an alien, but that's not correct.

00:00:33.000 This already existed.

00:00:35.000 Oh, really?

00:00:36.000 You bought it as is?

00:00:37.000 Yeah, well, it's a long story, and I can't get into too many details, but this was a conference room, and so we converted this.

00:00:45.000 The conference room was already circular.

00:00:47.000 We converted it.

00:00:49.000 But you put this weird alien stuff on it.

00:00:51.000 Yeah, this stuff we put on.

00:00:53.000 These are just sound deadening panels.

00:00:55.000 So that wasn't an attempt to get Elon to admit that he's an alien?

00:00:57.000 No.

00:00:58.000 Okay, so here's how I thought you were doing this.

00:01:00.000 Okay.

00:01:01.000 You've conditioned him over time, right?

00:01:03.000 You bring him into the studio, you're drinking with him, you got him really high.

00:01:07.000 I didn't get him really high.

00:01:09.000 I don't even think he inhaled.

00:01:10.000 Did he inhale?

00:01:11.000 He took a little puff.

00:01:13.000 Well, the rest of America thinks differently.

00:01:14.000 Yeah.

00:01:15.000 He's just naturally high.

00:01:17.000 Pop probably doesn't work on aliens.

00:01:18.000 But you get him comfortable, and then you put him in a situation that looks like his home base, and then you ask him that question.

00:01:26.000 Right.

00:01:27.000 And he answered it kind of funny.

00:01:28.000 He answered it exactly like an alien would answer it, I would think.

00:01:32.000 So I don't know.

00:01:33.000 Did it work?

00:01:33.000 What do you think?

00:01:36.000 His denial of the possibility of alien visitation was interesting.

00:01:42.000 And it got a lot of people like, hmm.

00:01:44.000 Like you've never thought about it, really?

00:01:45.000 He believes in the simulation theory.

00:01:47.000 Really?

00:01:48.000 Yeah.

00:01:49.000 I don't believe in the simulation.

00:01:51.000 It doesn't explain anything because who's running them?

00:01:54.000 If they're running us, who's running them?

00:01:56.000 It doesn't explain existence.

00:01:57.000 You don't understand the simulation theory.

00:01:58.000 It's not that someone's running.

00:02:00.000 It becomes the universe itself.

00:02:03.000 The idea is that...

00:02:04.000 But somebody created it.

00:02:06.000 Yes.

00:02:07.000 But who created them?

00:02:08.000 Okay, us.

00:02:09.000 Listen, if we exist, right?

00:02:11.000 We do exist.

00:02:12.000 We agree to that?

00:02:13.000 Yes.

00:02:13.000 Right.

00:02:13.000 And we agree that we have fantastic technology that's indistinguishable from magic, if you brought it to three, four hundred years ago, right?

00:02:21.000 Okay.

00:02:22.000 What we experience now is nothing in comparison, especially as the laws of technology and they expand at an exponential rate.

00:02:32.000 If you look at what we can do now and look at what we're going to be capable of a hundred years from now or a thousand years from now, It's going to be impossible to distinguish between reality and simulated reality.

00:02:44.000 They will develop an alternative virtual reality that's impossible to distinguish from.

00:02:50.000 So the question is, how do you know if that hasn't already taken place?

00:02:54.000 And maybe that's how the universe works.

00:02:57.000 Maybe the idea of things being concrete and physical that you can touch and things that you can weigh is just the experience that we've currently been accustomed to.

00:03:05.000 Maybe that's not the whole way the universe works.

00:03:09.000 Yeah, I had this conversation with Scott Adams.

00:03:12.000 He was on my podcast and I was kind of...

00:03:14.000 I had to think about it later.

00:03:15.000 And it still fails to explain existence for me.

00:03:20.000 Because if we're the ones who created it, then still somebody like us in a future state still created...

00:03:27.000 It created the reality that we're in.

00:03:29.000 Yes.

00:03:30.000 And I get that there's this kind of circular reasoning associated with it, but it still fails to explain some basic truths.

00:03:35.000 But it doesn't.

00:03:36.000 It doesn't.

00:03:36.000 Because here's the thing.

00:03:37.000 You have single-celled organisms.

00:03:39.000 They turn into multi-celled organisms as they evolve.

00:03:42.000 And then eventually you get something that's sentient and also can alter its environment.

00:03:47.000 That's human beings.

00:03:48.000 That thing starts creating these virtual worlds.

00:03:52.000 And these virtual worlds are run by artificial intelligence that becomes sentient as well.

00:03:57.000 So that artificial intelligence continues to create newer and better virtual worlds, and then it's a self-sustaining system.

00:04:06.000 And this self-sustaining system becomes a new version of reality.

00:04:10.000 If you think about the idea of multiple dimensions and even multiple universes, There's an infinite number of possibilities for not just life, but life-creating technology that we can't even wrap our heads around.

00:04:26.000 If there's things on other planets...

00:04:28.000 Let's imagine a solar system where they don't have the issues that we have with meteors and asteroids.

00:04:34.000 Maybe they don't have the super-volcano issues that we have.

00:04:39.000 So they're not dealing with extinction events every X amount of years.

00:04:44.000 So they've had the ability to go from becoming a primate or whatever it is on their planet that's similar to becoming this super advanced thing without any hiccups.

00:04:56.000 And they've gone on for millions of years.

00:04:58.000 So we've been human beings in this form For hundreds of thousands of years, if you go back and you take a guy from 100,000 years ago and you dress him up in a suit and put him in a movie theater, not that you go to movie theaters anymore, put him in a restaurant in Texas where it's legal,

00:05:14.000 and then you wouldn't notice.

00:05:17.000 He would just be a guy.

00:05:18.000 He wouldn't be any different than you are physically, other than he probably would be starving to death.

00:05:24.000 The difference in the world between 100 years ago and now is insane, right?

00:05:32.000 Well, if you think about what it could be like if you go a million years from now, there's no hiccups.

00:05:39.000 We don't nuke ourselves.

00:05:40.000 We don't get hit by an asteroid.

00:05:42.000 We don't have a supervolcano.

00:05:43.000 We could have technology that's impossible to even imagine today.

00:05:48.000 Even in Star Trek, they didn't imagine the internet.

00:05:51.000 Think about that.

00:05:52.000 They didn't even understand cell phones, right?

00:05:54.000 It was like Kirk out. 0.99

00:05:55.000 Like he had a fucking walkie-talkie, right? 0.99

00:05:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:58.000 That's pretty close.

00:06:00.000 Sort of. 0.99

00:06:00.000 But meanwhile, you couldn't Google shit on it. 0.99

00:06:03.000 I mean, there's so many things that we can do now. 0.98

00:06:05.000 And they were beaming themselves up in a board.

00:06:07.000 But the point is that if you keep going and nothing interrupts it...

00:06:13.000 Your imagination can't even...

00:06:15.000 There's not even a way for you to think of what's possible when you have hundreds of millions of people innovating without interruption, and they go on for millions of years.

00:06:25.000 What's possible is just...

00:06:28.000 Your imagination is not going to be able to grasp it.

00:06:32.000 I get the theory, I just don't know how to believe it.

00:06:34.000 I don't know how somebody can believe it.

00:06:36.000 Why not?

00:06:38.000 Do you believe in video?

00:06:41.000 Yes.

00:06:41.000 Video is time capture.

00:06:43.000 Sure.

00:06:43.000 If I videotape you right now, this is being videotaped and someone is going to watch it later.

00:06:47.000 This is time capture.

00:06:49.000 You're capturing a moment in time.

00:06:50.000 But I can touch it.

00:06:51.000 I can manipulate it.

00:06:52.000 You can't manipulate this theory in any sort of way.

00:06:54.000 It's a fine theory, I suppose.

00:06:57.000 I'm just not sure what the point of it is.

00:06:58.000 Are you a reductionist?

00:06:59.000 Are you one of those guys that reduces everything down to the simplest of terms?

00:07:03.000 Not everything.

00:07:04.000 Some things deserve a complex conversation.

00:07:08.000 But in this case, my first question is, what's the point of the theory?

00:07:13.000 Is it meant to explain us in some existential way?

00:07:16.000 It's not meant to explain anything.

00:07:18.000 The theory is...

00:07:19.000 It's kind of for fun.

00:07:21.000 It is inevitable, if we don't kill ourselves, if we don't blow ourselves up, if we don't go back to Mad Max days...

00:07:27.000 We don't nuke ourselves back in the Stone Age.

00:07:30.000 It's inevitable that someone creates something like the simulation.

00:07:34.000 Yeah.

00:07:34.000 Like the Matrix.

00:07:35.000 I hope not.

00:07:36.000 I would like to think that the human psyche and the human consciousness is a little bit more libertarian than that.

00:07:42.000 A little bit more individualized.

00:07:43.000 A little bit more rugged and...

00:07:46.000 And it's unable to be captured in that sense.

00:07:49.000 Now, the year 2020 might have convinced me otherwise.

00:07:53.000 And it scares the hell out of me, frankly.

00:07:56.000 But you're in Texas now, and that's what we're all about, is that independent-minded thinking.

00:08:03.000 And I would like to think that it would break the system, that it's just not possible.

00:08:07.000 Well, the simulation might be something that you can exist in and use the same principles that you can exist in as a rugged individualist in reality.

00:08:20.000 Like, it's just because it's a simulation.

00:08:22.000 Yeah, but there's an answer for everything in this theory.

00:08:26.000 Well, it would just fix it because it's so advanced.

00:08:28.000 I'm not saying it would fix it.

00:08:30.000 I'm saying it might be an alternative reality.

00:08:33.000 Human beings that might have created, or intelligent life, might have created an alternative dimension that exists in what you would call cyberspace.

00:08:42.000 If it fully forms out, what if someone in a lab, what if some scientist figured out a way to literally create another universe?

00:08:52.000 There's a theory about black holes.

00:08:54.000 You know anything about supermassive black holes?

00:08:57.000 Yeah.

00:08:58.000 Inside of every galaxy is a supermassive black hole in the center of every galaxy that's one half of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy.

00:09:06.000 The bigger the galaxy, the bigger the black hole.

00:09:08.000 Okay.

00:09:09.000 There's a theory that I don't totally understand, but I'm going to repeat it like as if I do.

00:09:13.000 That inside that galaxy, if you go through that black hole, there's another universe inside.

00:09:19.000 Another universe filled with hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with black holes in the center of them.

00:09:25.000 You go through each one of those black holes, there's a new universe with hundreds of billions of galaxies. 0.99

00:09:30.000 So the universe being infinite, it's too big for dumb people like you and I. I should say I and you, just call me dumb first. 0.98

00:09:40.000 That's the only time it's more polite. 0.99

00:09:42.000 I'm minored in physics, Joe, so I know what I'm talking about.

00:09:45.000 It's like five classes. 0.99

00:09:46.000 I talk to a lot of smart people and I remember some of the shit they said. 0.98

00:09:49.000 I don't know what I'm talking about. 0.98

00:09:51.000 I can pull it off.

00:09:52.000 But the idea is that There's an infinite number of universes and an infinite number of planets, an infinite number of possibilities in terms of intelligent life forms creating things.

00:10:05.000 And was it Nick Ballstrom?

00:10:06.000 Is that the guy who was on?

00:10:08.000 He tried to explain it to me.

00:10:09.000 He was saying that through probability theory...

00:10:12.000 It is more probable that we are in a simulation than not.

00:10:17.000 Just this week and I saw Neil deGrasse Tyson posted a video on his Instagram.

00:10:22.000 I'm trying to pull it up right now.

00:10:24.000 It might have been on Twitter.

00:10:25.000 I thought you'd be more entertained by my theory about you trying to trick Elon into admitting he was an alien.

00:10:30.000 I'm trying to be cool about that theory because I don't want Elon to know I'm tricking him.

00:10:33.000 Is it the gig up?

00:10:34.000 It's not true.

00:10:35.000 Hold on.

00:10:36.000 It's probable but not true?

00:10:38.000 Yeah, what you're saying.

00:10:40.000 Neil Tyson was on your side of this.

00:10:42.000 Yeah.

00:10:42.000 After all the thought.

00:10:43.000 I got Neil Tyson on my side.

00:10:45.000 Hold on.

00:10:45.000 I'll take Neil.

00:10:47.000 If the simulation theory was true, you could point at any moment in the timeline, and that would be us.

00:10:55.000 We're about to create the simulation, but we haven't done it yet, and we don't know how to.

00:11:03.000 What?

00:11:03.000 That's sort of why I wanted to get him...

00:11:05.000 W-U-T. Neil deGrasse Tyson doesn't have a fucking case on his phone. 1.00

00:11:07.000 And I told him that was stupid. 1.00

00:11:09.000 And last time I saw him, his phone was cracked. 1.00

00:11:10.000 And that is proof he doesn't know what he's talking about.

00:11:12.000 He's got some knucklehead ideas.

00:11:14.000 He's like, ah, it's an elegant device.

00:11:15.000 All theoretical physicists have knucklehead ideas.

00:11:18.000 I mean, that's the entire point of a theoretical physicist.

00:11:20.000 They got too good at math.

00:11:22.000 They got board-proving theorems over and over again.

00:11:24.000 Well, he's an astrophysicist.

00:11:26.000 Yeah, well, which requires some theoretical physics in it as well.

00:11:30.000 It's fascinating stuff.

00:11:31.000 It's beyond my scope, to say the least.

00:11:34.000 So the most advanced physics class I ever took was quantum mechanics, and it just becomes math, right?

00:11:39.000 And I was not an engineering major.

00:11:40.000 I was an international relations major doing a minor in physics, which is an odd thing to do.

00:11:46.000 But I liked it.

00:11:47.000 Because I love science.

00:11:48.000 I love math.

00:11:49.000 I was good at it.

00:11:50.000 So I wanted to keep pushing that side of my brain.

00:11:52.000 Because you're working two different muscles in your brain when you're doing liberal arts on one side and science on the other.

00:11:57.000 So I love doing it.

00:11:58.000 But when you get to trying to...

00:12:04.000 Explain to somebody why you don't know where a particle is at any given moment.

00:12:09.000 It's only you know the probability of it.

00:12:10.000 This becomes confusing, and the math behind it is even more confusing.

00:12:14.000 I'm glad I didn't advance much further than that. 0.97

00:12:17.000 Yeah, when you get into particles and superpositions, you're like, wait, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.82

00:12:22.000 It's both moving and not moving. 0.84

00:12:24.000 It's here and not here.

00:12:26.000 It's in two places simultaneously.

00:12:27.000 And if you view it, if you're observing it, it changes the way the particle behaves.

00:12:33.000 Right.

00:12:33.000 What?

00:12:34.000 And we're not sure how.

00:12:35.000 Nobody really understands it.

00:12:36.000 That's why it's fascinating.

00:12:37.000 It's spooky.

00:12:39.000 Yeah, I've also heard it explained that the reason why it changes is because there's a method that you're using, you're interacting with it when you're observing it, and that's what's changing it.

00:12:48.000 It's not that it's actually changing because you're observing it, it's because you're interacting with it while you're observing it.

00:12:54.000 So I'm like, well, okay.

00:12:54.000 It implies that there's some...

00:12:57.000 Unseen connection between us and the object and between objects themselves.

00:13:01.000 I mean, quantum entanglement is when you can entangle these two particles and they will copy each other even from lengthy distances.

00:13:08.000 This is how you do quantum computing or quantum...

00:13:12.000 What's the word I'm looking for?

00:13:16.000 Not a...

00:13:16.000 Well, a part of computing, but basically security with quantum computers.

00:13:22.000 This is sort of that theory being applied to that.

00:13:27.000 Yeah, it's...

00:13:28.000 Meaning it's like a peer-to-peer encryption, quantum encryption. 0.90

00:13:31.000 It allows people to get away with a lot of fuckery, too, right? 0.90

00:13:36.000 Probably. 0.98

00:13:37.000 It's why we should advance it more than the Chinese do. 1.00

00:13:39.000 Yeah, but I don't even mean that kind of fuckery. 0.99

00:13:41.000 I mean, like, psychic fuckery. 0.99

00:13:44.000 Like, that's that movie, What the Bleep Do We Know? 0.98

00:13:48.000 Like, you want to get a physicist mad?

00:13:51.000 Talk about what the bleep do we know. 0.99

00:13:53.000 Talk about the fuckery in that movie. 1.00

00:13:56.000 I haven't seen the movie. 0.91

00:13:56.000 You ever seen that movie? 0.91

00:13:57.000 Uh-uh.

00:13:57.000 It's all about...

00:13:59.000 You know about the secret?

00:14:01.000 You know about the idea of the secret, the idea of the law of attraction?

00:14:04.000 I saw that a long time ago, too.

00:14:06.000 There's a lot of people that believe that you can sort of manifest reality and that reality and the quantum world is somehow entangled with your consciousness in some sort of a weird, spooky way.

00:14:19.000 My point is that a lot of people will take advantage of this weirdness and sort of apply laws and rules to this weirdness that they have sort of a script for and that you should follow and then next thing you know you're in a cult.

00:14:34.000 And that's the end up in a cult.

00:14:36.000 And someone's banging your wife and you have to pay 10%.

00:14:38.000 That's how you're drinking weird Kool-Aid.

00:14:41.000 Yes, that's how it works, man.

00:14:44.000 People are strange.

00:14:45.000 We want to find meaning to things that don't necessarily have meaning to them.

00:14:49.000 And we want to apply rules to things that maybe don't necessarily have rules, like life itself.

00:14:55.000 Life itself is very bizarre.

00:14:58.000 Well, the search for meaning, I think, is what's behind this conversation.

00:15:01.000 What I believe is an extravagant theory of a simulation.

00:15:05.000 Maybe, yeah.

00:15:06.000 No, maybe.

00:15:07.000 I'm not married to the simulation theory.

00:15:10.000 In fact, I think it's more likely, and this is going to get real strange, I think it's more likely that it's an inevitable possibility rather than it's a reality.

00:15:21.000 I think it's an inevitable possibility.

00:15:23.000 I think if we don't blow ourselves up, there's going to come a point in time where, did you ever see Ready Player One?

00:15:28.000 Great movie, right?

00:15:29.000 Yeah, it was pretty good.

00:15:30.000 Fun movie.

00:15:31.000 I think that's going to happen.

00:15:32.000 I don't think that's far away.

00:15:33.000 That's probably 50 years in the future where you're going to be able to put on a haptic feedback suit and some sort of VR goggles and you're going to enter into some incredibly advanced artificial reality, virtual reality that's amazing.

00:15:47.000 Yeah.

00:15:47.000 That's more interesting than...

00:15:49.000 That seems likely.

00:15:50.000 Yeah.

00:15:50.000 That seems likely.

00:15:51.000 Yeah.

00:15:52.000 And then it's going to be a new trick of, well, how do we prevent people from, I don't know if we can prevent people, or how do we deal with this obvious problem where the virtual reality becomes the preferred lifestyle, which is, it already is for a lot of people, playing video games or on social media or whatever it is.

00:16:11.000 And, you know, is this a good thing?

00:16:15.000 It doesn't seem to me that it is.

00:16:18.000 My position is that it's a thing.

00:16:20.000 I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing.

00:16:22.000 I don't know if agriculture is a good thing.

00:16:26.000 Everything's a trade-off.

00:16:27.000 Yeah.

00:16:27.000 I mean, it seems like the people that want to go back to the hunter-gatherer days, like, you know, we're better off for hunter and gathering.

00:16:34.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:47.000 I think?

00:17:03.000 I was blown away by the politics of it.

00:17:06.000 I'm a politician, so this is what I analyze.

00:17:08.000 And I was blown away that the conversation about how to deal with the last year became the division...

00:17:18.000 The division fell upon partisan lines, right, about whether to lock down or not to lock down, about whether people liked masks or didn't like masks.

00:17:26.000 And at first, that seems really odd.

00:17:28.000 And so I spent a lot of time analyzing this because it shouldn't be that way.

00:17:32.000 It should be mixed.

00:17:34.000 You would think about just because what you're really talking about is somebody's risk assessment and how they perceive risk and how they want to deal with that and how they think everybody else should deal with that.

00:17:46.000 And It's strange.

00:17:48.000 I think there's a lot of factors involved.

00:17:50.000 I do think that there was some political opportunism.

00:17:52.000 I think that if Trump says something, people reactively say the opposite.

00:17:55.000 That's a problem, right?

00:17:56.000 And then that's definitely part of it.

00:17:57.000 However, after Trump lost the election, that didn't stop.

00:18:02.000 That movement, pro-lockdown movement never stopped.

00:18:06.000 So it was not clear to me then that that was the only reason.

00:18:09.000 But it is.

00:18:10.000 See, the problem is once people get committed to an ideology or committed to a narrative, just because Trump lost and now Biden's in power, it's not like everybody just abandons this narrative and creates a new reality based on objective truth.

00:18:24.000 But they'll never even do an after-action report on it to the point to where it's ridiculous.

00:18:30.000 I thought you were showing us something.

00:18:32.000 And so I put another few factors in there.

00:18:36.000 I think some of it is the fact that Democrats tend to congregate in urban areas and it might be, you know, the virus is more in your face in an urban area than in a rural area.

00:18:44.000 There might be some explanation there.

00:18:45.000 For sure, right?

00:18:46.000 But it really boils down to, and there's studies on this, where our brains light up differently when assessing risk.

00:18:53.000 Now, it doesn't mean that the behavioral outcomes of these studies are a change.

00:18:56.000 Basically, they would take liberals and conservatives and they would give them a betting, what amounts to a betting game.

00:19:01.000 And see how they react differently.

00:19:03.000 Now the actual behavioral outcomes, what they choose, didn't change all that much.

00:19:09.000 But when they're doing the MRI scans, they see that their brains light up differently.

00:19:13.000 So that's interesting.

00:19:14.000 So we clearly assess risk differently somehow.

00:19:17.000 So I looked at data on the kind of jobs that we choose.

00:19:21.000 And it turns out, and this is intuitive, you would guess this, that the vast majority of dangerous jobs are mostly populated by conservatives, lumberjacking Hard labor, military, law enforcement.

00:19:36.000 So it's obvious that we're choosing to engage in risk differently, just overall, in the aggregate.

00:19:43.000 And so I think that gets at why we think differently about this.

00:19:48.000 I think we're truly wired differently.

00:19:49.000 And on top of that, the natural disposition of a liberal to believe in some sort of collective action Whereas the natural disposition of a conservative is to believe that government can only do so much, right?

00:20:01.000 There's life out there, and sometimes it's dangerous, and it's up to you as an individual to generally assess that.

00:20:07.000 And that's also the most efficient way to do things in order to get the best outcomes in the aggregate.

00:20:11.000 So these are two dispositions that are always present, and they manifest in policy outcomes all the time.

00:20:17.000 And in this case, it's pretty obvious how they manifested into the way we dealt with coronavirus.

00:20:24.000 And I think that kind of explains it.

00:20:26.000 And think about it this way, too.

00:20:28.000 When a more left-leaning public health official talks about it, they always give you the worst-case scenario.

00:20:34.000 Well, it's possible that if you're 15, you could die.

00:20:36.000 Yeah, it's possible, but it's also far more unlikely than even if you got the flu.

00:20:41.000 They leave out that part.

00:20:42.000 They leave out the context.

00:20:44.000 They leave out the probabilities.

00:20:45.000 This is why I've been so frustrated with our public health officials.

00:20:48.000 Give us the whole truth.

00:20:49.000 Don't just give us the most dangerous truth.

00:20:52.000 Don't tell us the tail end of the probability scale.

00:20:56.000 That's not useful information to us.

00:20:59.000 It's been very frustrating to watch how we've dealt with this over the last year, around the world, not just in America.

00:21:04.000 Frankly, we've had it better than a lot of countries.

00:21:05.000 I think people tend to try to find a group that they can attach themselves to.

00:21:12.000 And Chris Rock has a great bit about this.

00:21:15.000 You know what?

00:21:15.000 You can find...

00:21:18.000 Mick Maynard, who is one of the matchmakers for the UFC, posted this on his Instagram.

00:21:25.000 Go to Mick...

00:21:27.000 You got it?

00:21:28.000 Yeah.

00:21:28.000 Okay.

00:21:29.000 So Mick Maynard posted this from the great and powerful Chris Rock.

00:21:32.000 And this is...

00:21:33.000 We can watch this because it's on his Instagram.

00:21:35.000 And Chris will holler at me if it's an issue. 0.96

00:21:38.000 But I fucking love Chris Rock. 0.97

00:21:40.000 And this is one of the best points. 0.95

00:21:42.000 It might not be one of his best bits...

00:21:45.000 But it's one of his best points ever.

00:21:47.000 It's so accurate.

00:21:49.000 Because he's talking about...

00:21:51.000 We all got a gang mentality. 1.00

00:21:53.000 Republicans are fucking idiots. 1.00

00:21:55.000 And Democrats are fucking idiots. 1.00

00:21:57.000 And conservatives are idiots. 1.00

00:21:59.000 And liberals are idiots. 1.00

00:22:01.000 And anyone that makes up their mind before they hear the issue is a fucking fool. 1.00

00:22:06.000 Okay? 1.00

00:22:14.000 No, no, no, no.

00:22:15.000 Everybody's so busy wanting to be down with a gang.

00:22:18.000 I'm a conservative.

00:22:18.000 I'm a liberal.

00:22:19.000 I'm a conservative. 1.00

00:22:20.000 It's bullshit. 1.00

00:22:21.000 Be a fucking person. 1.00

00:22:23.000 Listen. 1.00

00:22:24.000 Let it swirl around your head.

00:22:27.000 Then form your opinion.

00:22:29.000 No normal, decent person is one thing.

00:22:34.000 Okay? 0.99

00:22:34.000 I got some shit I'm conservative about. 0.99

00:22:36.000 I got some shit I'm liberal about. 1.00

00:22:39.000 Crime, I'm conservative. 1.00

00:22:41.000 Prostitution, I'm liberal. 0.98

00:22:45.000 It goes on, but that's where the clip ends.

00:22:48.000 But that's so accurate is that what a lot of people are afraid of is being alone.

00:22:53.000 They're afraid of being attacked.

00:22:54.000 And one of the things about today's culture, particularly with social media, is that it's an attack culture.

00:23:00.000 It's a bully culture.

00:23:01.000 And a lot of these people that are doing the attacking and they're doing the bullying, they've been bullied in the real world.

00:23:07.000 So they want payback.

00:23:08.000 So they're trying to bully people online.

00:23:10.000 And that's what you see.

00:23:11.000 There's a lot of like low status males, a lot of like really weak people who have never really overcome physical adversity or they're not successful, but they found a way online to gather up a group of people that resonate with some of their opinions and they can attack people.

00:23:31.000 And they do it all day long.

00:23:32.000 I find that to be the most...

00:23:34.000 It's fascinating.

00:23:35.000 The most probable, if somebody's saying something extremely crude and awful to me online, it's probably a younger man.

00:23:43.000 It doesn't necessarily.

00:23:45.000 Sometimes it's older men who have failed their life.

00:23:48.000 Same, yeah.

00:23:49.000 They've decided that this is their stand.

00:23:51.000 This is their line in the sand they're going to draw.

00:23:53.000 Now they're going to be anti-racist or they're going to be anti-homophobic or anti-transphobic or whatever it is, and they're going to attack all these people.

00:24:04.000 There's so many different ideological pathways that you could choose, that you could get a group of people that agree with you, and then you fight against anyone that opposes these ideas, and you do it in a really...

00:24:15.000 Aggressive and nasty way, which is something that we should push back against, period.

00:24:22.000 Ideas should be something that you should be able to discuss and debate and analyze.

00:24:30.000 You should be able to sit down and go, why do you believe in the simulation theory? 1.00

00:24:35.000 We shouldn't be like, well, you're a fucking idiot, Joe Rogan. 1.00

00:24:37.000 That's why you agree. 1.00

00:24:38.000 It should be like, yeah, I'm a fucking idiot. 1.00

00:24:41.000 But that's not why I agree with this. 1.00

00:24:43.000 That's not why I look at this.

00:24:44.000 I look at this because I'm curious.

00:24:46.000 I see all the various components.

00:24:49.000 I think there's a lot of truth on both sides.

00:24:54.000 But the problem is when you ignore the truth on a side that doesn't fit with your ideology, then you're not interested in truth.

00:24:59.000 You're interested in what Chris Rock is talking about.

00:25:01.000 You're interested in supporting your gang.

00:25:04.000 Yeah, and that's your gang or team.

00:25:06.000 I always say that you're either wearing a blue jersey or a red jersey, and then you act accordingly, and you repeat these sort of mantras that you think you're supposed to repeat in order to gain favor within that group, make sure they know you're part of the loyalists there.

00:25:19.000 And if you don't say the things, then that group gets distrustful of you.

00:25:23.000 But this is a problem we have on the right, right?

00:25:25.000 So I think the left is power-hungry.

00:25:26.000 I think the right is paranoid.

00:25:28.000 And we tend to look for betrayers in our midst, right?

00:25:31.000 Wait, who's paranoid and who's power-hungry?

00:25:33.000 Which one?

00:25:33.000 The right is more paranoid.

00:25:35.000 Can you switch it back and forth, though?

00:25:36.000 Left is paranoid sometimes, too.

00:25:38.000 Look, everybody's on a spectrum, right?

00:25:40.000 And I should say that in the beginning, right?

00:25:42.000 I'm analyzing in the aggregate the coronavirus.

00:25:48.000 I mean, look, I recognize that not all liberals are risk-averse to an extraordinary degree.

00:25:53.000 I recognize that.

00:25:54.000 We're all on a spectrum, from the left to the right.

00:25:57.000 But in the aggregate, this is sort of what we see.

00:26:00.000 And then in politics, as you're talking about, we put on these jerseys.

00:26:04.000 And so I'm just talking in generalities. 0.90

00:26:06.000 Of course the left can be ultra-paranoid.

00:26:09.000 And of course the right, in its extreme form, can exhibit more power-hungry tendencies.

00:26:16.000 But it tends not to be.

00:26:17.000 And if we look at the policies actually being implemented, that tends not to be the case.

00:26:22.000 But what I see on my side, because I'm always dealing with my side, We tend to be looking, instead of thinking how to persuade, this is the problem I have and I'm trying to change, not that I have, I mean that I think we have.

00:26:37.000 We talk about fighting all the time.

00:26:39.000 And I say, look, we have to define fighting as persuasion.

00:26:43.000 Persuasion is the name of the game in politics.

00:26:45.000 Look, I can go charge a hill as a seal, and that's fighting, right?

00:26:50.000 I mean, it looks cool, but I'm going to die. 0.95

00:26:52.000 What I really should do is communicate, maneuver, and kill the enemy that way. 0.95

00:26:59.000 In politics, the fight must be persuasion. 0.94

00:27:01.000 And too often, we get more concerned with saying the things, saying the slogans, saying the things that make us feel good, that make us...

00:27:11.000 That help us recognize one another as part of the same team wearing the same jersey.

00:27:16.000 I think that's what he's getting at.

00:27:18.000 If somebody veers from that, well, they're a traitor.

00:27:21.000 They're not one of you.

00:27:23.000 And then they're automatically wrong.

00:27:24.000 And instead of saying, I knew you were going to say that.

00:27:27.000 Let me tell you why it's wrong.

00:27:29.000 Let me explain it to you.

00:27:30.000 Let's have a debate about it.

00:27:32.000 We get really mad.

00:27:33.000 And we go online and we call names because we haven't actually done the background work to at least understand why we think what we think.

00:27:40.000 And when you understand why you think what you think, that's how you can persuade people.

00:27:44.000 That's the name of the game.

00:27:46.000 And the reason I say we're paranoid is because, and we're always looking for rhinos on our side, right?

00:27:51.000 Republicans in name only.

00:27:52.000 I've never used that word against anybody.

00:27:55.000 Even if I think that this...

00:27:56.000 Explain that.

00:27:58.000 What does that mean?

00:27:59.000 It's a commonly used term in conservative politics.

00:28:03.000 The rhinos.

00:28:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:04.000 Mitt Romney's a rhino.

00:28:05.000 Susan Collins is a rhino. 0.95

00:28:06.000 Wait a minute. 0.96

00:28:07.000 Mitt Romney's a rhino?

00:28:08.000 He's not conservative?

00:28:10.000 Because he turned on Trump.

00:28:12.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:28:16.000 And I can disagree with him for doing that, but the name-calling frustrates me because it's a way to bypass debate.

00:28:26.000 Name-calling is always a way to bypass debate.

00:28:28.000 Right.

00:28:28.000 I think?

00:28:50.000 Drives out that more moderate member of the party.

00:28:54.000 Cheers.

00:28:56.000 My wife said I wasn't allowed to.

00:28:58.000 Your wife loves you.

00:28:59.000 Come on, man.

00:28:59.000 You're having a sip.

00:29:02.000 This is the most American whiskey available.

00:29:05.000 It's very good.

00:29:06.000 Buffalo Trace.

00:29:08.000 It drives out those more moderate members that you need to actually persuade people, especially in certain districts.

00:29:12.000 And so, look, I don't think I take any left-wing positions.

00:29:18.000 I'm very conservative.

00:29:19.000 What do you mean by you don't take any left-wing positions?

00:29:22.000 What are left-wing positions that you oppose?

00:29:25.000 Well, what issue do you want to talk about?

00:29:28.000 I mean, anything.

00:29:30.000 Healthcare, on their energy mix, on taxation, on border, on just about anything.

00:29:36.000 We disagree.

00:29:37.000 This is the nature of politics.

00:29:38.000 This is healthy disagreement here.

00:29:39.000 Well, let's go to healthcare.

00:29:41.000 Okay.

00:29:42.000 Wouldn't it be nice if everybody had healthcare?

00:29:44.000 Yes.

00:29:45.000 The left is right about that.

00:29:46.000 Right.

00:29:47.000 And this gets to another point I think you were kind of making earlier, which is there's good ideas on both sides.

00:29:53.000 I do think we have to listen to what the left wants sometimes, not all the time.

00:29:56.000 It depends.

00:29:57.000 But on healthcare, are they wrong to say everybody should have access to good healthcare?

00:30:02.000 Is that a wrong statement to make?

00:30:03.000 No.

00:30:03.000 Of course it's not.

00:30:04.000 I think of us as a community.

00:30:07.000 I think of the United States as a community.

00:30:08.000 And I think if there's someone in the community that's hurting because of bad circumstance or bad fortune, we should be able to take care of them.

00:30:18.000 The same way we're able to keep the power grid up, the same way we're able to fix the bridges, we should be able to provide health care to the members of our community.

00:30:27.000 So the question is how we get there.

00:30:28.000 Here's where I get conservative.

00:30:30.000 I think we should also make people personally responsible for their own health.

00:30:33.000 I think you should step up and say, hey, I want you to have healthcare based on your current circumstances, but I also want you to do the work to get your health better.

00:30:43.000 And that's where I think we need to make a division.

00:30:46.000 And I'm as left as I am right, because I'm left on so many things, but I'm right on so many things, too. 0.94

00:30:53.000 Like Chris Rock said, I'm pretty fucking conservative on crime.

00:30:57.000 I get angry when I see lax crime or lax law enforcement, when I see people not supporting law enforcement or not understanding the nature of crime or not understanding what happens when criminals realize that there is no law enforcement. 0.96

00:31:16.000 Jesus Christ.

00:31:17.000 Incentives matter.

00:31:18.000 It matters a lot.

00:31:19.000 I think that's what you're getting at.

00:31:21.000 Human nature matters.

00:31:23.000 And to say that incentives matter, it might be a conservative position.

00:31:28.000 I think you could also say it's a classically liberal position.

00:31:32.000 If I were to try to categorize you, Joe, I'd put you in a lot of classically liberal areas, believing in free speech and free debate.

00:31:40.000 And these classically liberal ideas that our country was founded on, it does seem to me now that the Republican Party is the only one defending these more classically liberal ideas.

00:31:48.000 Now, in healthcare, again, sometimes this is what I always say.

00:31:51.000 Look, we have to – and I think Jordan Peterson puts this the best way about the balance between chaos and order and the balance between the left and the right.

00:31:59.000 The left representing chaos, the right representing order.

00:32:02.000 Now, it's not derogatory to say that they're representing chaos.

00:32:05.000 It just means they're representing constant change.

00:32:07.000 But that's unhealthy left by itself.

00:32:10.000 Just like maybe an adherence to pure hierarchical order is also unhealthy left by itself.

00:32:18.000 And so a balance is needed.

00:32:20.000 But to solve problems that you want to solve and to get to the change that we agree that we want to make.

00:32:28.000 Now, first, we have to agree on the change.

00:32:29.000 Now, in this case, we do.

00:32:30.000 Everybody should have access to good health care.

00:32:32.000 Yeah, we all agree on that, right?

00:32:33.000 Sometimes we don't agree on the change.

00:32:34.000 Like, on the border, we don't agree.

00:32:36.000 The left wants to go a totally different direction.

00:32:37.000 Well, let's just talk about healthcare first.

00:32:38.000 Let's go to the border, too.

00:32:39.000 I would love to do that, too.

00:32:40.000 I'm sticking to healthcare.

00:32:41.000 Don't worry.

00:32:42.000 So they want people to have access to healthcare, and they want to do it through Medicare for All.

00:32:47.000 Okay?

00:32:48.000 We say, no, you can't do it that way, because if you do, there's trade-offs associated that I don't think that we should bear.

00:32:54.000 What are those trade-offs?

00:32:55.000 Well, the trade-offs would be one that's really expensive.

00:32:56.000 So you have to double or triple people's taxes to pay for the amount of care that they want to give.

00:33:01.000 Double or triple?

00:33:02.000 Double or triple, at least.

00:33:04.000 That's what every study would show.

00:33:06.000 This is not disputed, by the way.

00:33:08.000 I'm not saying things that a Democrat would disagree with.

00:33:12.000 This is well known.

00:33:13.000 This has a large cost to it.

00:33:15.000 But how do you triple?

00:33:15.000 Like, if someone's in a 48% tax bracket, how do you triple their taxes?

00:33:18.000 That's a really good question.

00:33:19.000 That's the problem.

00:33:22.000 You're talking in the aggregate.

00:33:23.000 And look, Nordic countries that do do this, for instance, we have the most progressive tax system in the world, by the way.

00:33:30.000 Nobody believes that, but it's actually true. 0.75

00:33:32.000 Nordic countries tax their middle class exceptionally more than we do.

00:33:36.000 Our top 1% pays 40% of taxes.

00:33:38.000 That share increased after the tax cuts under Trump.

00:33:41.000 Do they have a benefit to that tax increase?

00:33:44.000 Sure, they have a large welfare state.

00:33:45.000 So they have a very large welfare state.

00:33:47.000 Do they have a lower crime rate?

00:33:49.000 That's the trade-off.

00:33:49.000 Do they have a lower crime rate as well?

00:33:52.000 I'm sure it depends on the location.

00:33:54.000 I'm not sure that's associated with the particular discussion about welfare necessarily.

00:34:00.000 But going back to healthcare.

00:34:02.000 So that's one trade-off.

00:34:03.000 It's expensive.

00:34:04.000 And the second trade-off is that if you're talking about Medicare for all, and under these bills that they propose, you are reimbursing doctors and hospitals at a Medicare rate.

00:34:13.000 Okay, that's a really important part of it.

00:34:15.000 That effectively means price controls.

00:34:18.000 That's how you maintain that budget that you say you're going to stick within.

00:34:22.000 That's how Canada does it. 1.00

00:34:23.000 That's how the UK does it.

00:34:24.000 That's how all these countries do it.

00:34:26.000 So there's a particular reimbursement rate.

00:34:28.000 We're going to pay you this much for this service.

00:34:30.000 We're going to pay you this much for this drug.

00:34:33.000 That's price controls.

00:34:34.000 Anytime you have price controls, you have less supply.

00:34:37.000 That's an economic truth that you can never escape.

00:34:39.000 If I say that I'm only going to pay you a certain amount per episode, you're recalculating how many episodes you're going to do, no matter what.

00:34:48.000 Everybody controls their supply based on a price.

00:34:52.000 Now, if you think you can get more for that price, you'll increase your supply.

00:34:54.000 This is always true in healthcare.

00:34:56.000 It's why during the pandemic this was made really clear.

00:34:58.000 We have more ICU beds per capita than any other country, for instance.

00:35:02.000 We have more ventilators per capita than any other country.

00:35:04.000 We have access to far more drugs than any other country.

00:35:08.000 We do.

00:35:09.000 Because we make most of them here.

00:35:11.000 Because there's a profit incentive.

00:35:12.000 That's why we make most of them in China.

00:35:14.000 On some of the more generic stuff.

00:35:16.000 That was a problem during the pandemic that was being talked about.

00:35:19.000 When it comes to your next generation drug, that's made mostly by American Pharmaceuticals because there's a profit incentive.

00:35:26.000 Is it invented by most American pharmaceuticals, but then produced by China?

00:35:31.000 Is that what the issue is?

00:35:32.000 They might produce a certain compound or something in China.

00:35:36.000 It was not our most exceptional drugs being produced in China.

00:35:39.000 There is supply chain issues that we're addressing that we should address.

00:35:42.000 Is there a hierarchy of drugs?

00:35:43.000 Like essential drugs?

00:35:45.000 There's a hierarchy of businesses, essential businesses?

00:35:47.000 Well, there's the most advanced kind of cancer drug, for instance.

00:35:50.000 You're only going to get that here in the United States.

00:35:52.000 You're only going to get it in terms of the way it's invented or the way it's processed and produced.

00:35:57.000 I mean, get it, period.

00:35:58.000 Get it.

00:35:59.000 Because we make it?

00:36:01.000 Right, because we make it, and that pharmaceutical company might offer it to Australia or the UK, but the UK says, well, we're not going to pay you that much for it, and so they just don't get it.

00:36:10.000 So, depending on what country you're looking at, a lot of times you'll see, like Australia I think has access to maybe 60% of the drugs that the United States has access to.

00:36:19.000 So we get something, we pay too much for our healthcare, but we also get a lot for it.

00:36:23.000 You're much more likely to survive cancer in the United States, you're much more likely to survive rare diseases.

00:36:28.000 The left will throw out this stat that says, we pay, you know, double what other countries pay for healthcare, but our life expectancy is the same.

00:36:36.000 That's playing with statistics a little bit, because life expectancy also includes suicides, homicides, these things that have nothing to do with the quality of your healthcare system.

00:36:45.000 Now, those are problems, to be sure, but they have nothing to do with the quality of care that you're getting when you have a really, really rare disease.

00:36:52.000 Here in the United States, this is the place you want to be.

00:36:54.000 This is where people are coming from Canada when they have things that can't be solved there, because it takes them six months to get an elbow surgery.

00:37:00.000 So we are getting something for our profit-incentivized healthcare.

00:37:05.000 When you put price controls on it, you're going to get less of it.

00:37:07.000 I talk to independent clinics all the time.

00:37:09.000 They're like, we're just going to close.

00:37:10.000 If we have to take Medicare rates of reimbursement for the care that we're giving, we're just going to close.

00:37:16.000 We can't make a profit that way.

00:37:18.000 Hospitals probably won't close.

00:37:19.000 They've done a good job aggregating different hospitals together to make more profits, but they're going to fire doctors.

00:37:26.000 They're going to pay doctors less. 0.86

00:37:28.000 Now you have less of an incentive to go to medical school.

00:37:30.000 You definitely have less of an incentive to be a primary care doctor.

00:37:34.000 All of these problems start to compound and your healthcare system starts to look a lot like Canada or the UK. Specifically Canada for what Medicare for All is.

00:37:43.000 And Canadians flee there, again, when they need really, really specialized care.

00:37:48.000 Okay, so what's a better way to do this?

00:37:49.000 I mean, I would say simply...

00:37:52.000 The way Obamacare works and the way Medicare for All would work is it puts the money in the pockets of the insurance companies, in the case of Obamacare, or in the case of Medicare for All, simply it's a one-payer system right to the doctor or hospital, and then they negotiate that price.

00:38:08.000 A better way to do this, and this starts to look a little bit like, say, Switzerland, where you put the money in the pocket of the patient, the patient then controls it.

00:38:16.000 Now think about, here's something else we agree on that people need, food, right?

00:38:21.000 People need food.

00:38:22.000 And so what do we do?

00:38:23.000 Do we create these government-run food production facilities and distribution facilities?

00:38:27.000 Do we tell the grocery store, look, okay, this person's going to go buy some cereal and then we're going to reimburse you for that cereal on the back end?

00:38:35.000 No, we don't.

00:38:36.000 We give the person a food stamp, a voucher, and then they go buy what they want.

00:38:40.000 Is the issue that they're buying what they want?

00:38:44.000 This is where it gets weird, right?

00:38:46.000 It's like, if you give someone food stamps, should you say, well, you can only buy real food?

00:38:51.000 You can't use food stamps to buy cigarettes.

00:38:52.000 It's a different conversation.

00:38:53.000 Can you buy cigarettes or food stamps?

00:38:55.000 No.

00:38:55.000 No?

00:38:56.000 No.

00:38:56.000 Can you buy booze?

00:38:57.000 No.

00:38:58.000 And it would be the same with healthcare.

00:38:59.000 Can you buy...

00:39:00.000 Can you buy Cocoa Puffs?

00:39:01.000 I'm not going to let you distract me here.

00:39:03.000 So we would...

00:39:04.000 It would be the same with healthcare.

00:39:05.000 A lot of people have health savings accounts.

00:39:07.000 So this is a tax-deductible, basically a tax-free zone you can put money into, but you have to spend it on healthcare.

00:39:12.000 So yeah, there's qualified things that you can spend that money on.

00:39:16.000 Imagine a system where you put your money into that health savings account.

00:39:20.000 And if you can't afford healthcare, the government puts some money in there, and then you have a choice of insurance plans to buy.

00:39:26.000 Or one thing I'm working on is direct primary care.

00:39:29.000 And this is separate from insurance.

00:39:31.000 But we need to get back to this place in America where you feel like you know who your doctor is.

00:39:37.000 You have a quarterback for your healthcare.

00:39:38.000 And that quarterback is your primary care physician.

00:39:41.000 And a lot of people don't have that.

00:39:43.000 You might have that.

00:39:44.000 I have a specific doctor I always go to for just basic stuff.

00:39:47.000 Just really basic stuff.

00:39:48.000 Usually telemedicine involved.

00:39:50.000 Usually just a phone call.

00:39:51.000 You don't go to them when you break your arm.

00:39:54.000 But they're your primary care doctor.

00:39:56.000 Now, direct primary care is a system that's already growing in America.

00:39:59.000 It's about $75 a month on average, and you have total access to a doctor.

00:40:04.000 So it's more like a gym membership than it is insurance.

00:40:07.000 And there's no co-pays.

00:40:08.000 There's no third-party insurance.

00:40:10.000 That's what I want to normalize in America to get people to this point.

00:40:14.000 And again, you could put that money on a debit card for the poor.

00:40:18.000 Explain what you're saying.

00:40:19.000 Like, when you're talking about that money, where's this money coming from?

00:40:23.000 How does it get allocated?

00:40:24.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:40:25.000 Yeah, so instead of spending all this money on Medicaid, for instance, take the people who are eligible for Medicaid, and even above that rate, and you could have a tiered program.

00:40:35.000 Instead of wasting all that money on a Medicaid program that doesn't have improved outcomes, by the way.

00:40:41.000 Every study shows this.

00:40:42.000 What do you mean by that?

00:40:43.000 Doesn't have improved outcomes?

00:40:44.000 It means that when you compare people from the same socioeconomic status and they're in Medicaid enrolled or they have no insurance at all, their health outcomes are no different.

00:40:52.000 Is that malarkey? 0.94

00:40:54.000 Is that fucking around with statistics? 0.98

00:40:56.000 A lot of studies have shown this from qualified universities. 0.98

00:40:58.000 But hold on a second.

00:40:59.000 You're talking about someone getting medical care or not getting medical care?

00:41:03.000 No, no, no.

00:41:03.000 Because you always get medical care in America.

00:41:05.000 How so?

00:41:05.000 You just show up.

00:41:07.000 Hospitals never turn anybody away.

00:41:09.000 It would be a myth to say that...

00:41:10.000 But is it true that people that have Medicare were more likely to go to a hospital to take care of stuff versus people that ignore that issue if they don't have health insurance?

00:41:20.000 It's not.

00:41:21.000 For whatever reason...

00:41:22.000 It's not?

00:41:22.000 It's not.

00:41:23.000 So if you have no health insurance and you worry that this is going to put you into debt for the rest of your life, you're in the same line as someone who has medical insurance who can go to an emergency room, whatever it is, and deal with whatever personal issue they're dealing with and not worry about it being something that ruins them financially forever.

00:41:43.000 The same motivation, the same action...

00:41:48.000 You get your healthcare either way. 0.99

00:41:50.000 Again, our pricing system sucks. 0.99

00:41:52.000 Our payment system sucks. 0.99

00:41:53.000 That's what everybody's pissed off about. 0.98

00:41:54.000 When you're enrolled in Medicaid...

00:41:56.000 I'm not saying Medicaid's fault that you have worse outcomes.

00:41:58.000 Isn't it a problem, though, that we're dealing with these giant numbers of people and we're trying to figure out what's the same action?

00:42:05.000 If you have someone who has health insurance versus someone who doesn't have health insurance, just naturally, I would assume, someone who has health insurance is going to get medical care more often or at least seek out medical care more often.

00:42:16.000 Is that unreasonable?

00:42:18.000 It doesn't end up turning out that way necessarily because their deductibles are so high.

00:42:23.000 So you know that when you go seek out, hey, I just want to check up on something.

00:42:26.000 You got a $6,000 deductible.

00:42:28.000 Is that what a deductible is for Medicare for All?

00:42:31.000 Well, in Bernie Sanders' idea of Medicare for All, you would never pay for anything.

00:42:35.000 And again, that sounds really nice.

00:42:37.000 It does sound nice.

00:42:37.000 It does sound nice, but I explained all the trade-offs you're getting with that.

00:42:42.000 You've driven profits out of the system completely.

00:42:45.000 How do you do that, what Bernie Sanders wants?

00:42:48.000 How do you merge the two?

00:42:49.000 I'm trying to.

00:42:50.000 Is it possible?

00:42:51.000 Well, the way I'm explaining it, I would say it is, right?

00:42:54.000 How do you have your cake and eat it, too?

00:42:55.000 Because I'm not willing to sacrifice the quality of our system For what Bernie Sanders wants.

00:43:00.000 I'm not willing to make us look like Canada.

00:43:02.000 We're the last country in the world truly innovating.

00:43:05.000 Now, if we were done innovating, if we said we don't need any...

00:43:08.000 You mean with medical stuff?

00:43:09.000 Medical devices, pharmaceuticals, all of it.

00:43:12.000 If we didn't need anything else, if we were at our maximum, if we were at the pinnacle of success when it comes to medical technology, then you might be able to make the argument, like a moral argument, okay, the government should just confiscate all of this technology and distribute it equally.

00:43:27.000 Maybe.

00:43:28.000 I still don't think it would work very well because you also have to conscript doctors and nurses and hospital administrators into this sort of system where you're forcing them to work the amount that you want them to work,

00:43:43.000 which is problematic.

00:43:47.000 So how do you get both?

00:43:48.000 How do you maintain the incentive to innovate?

00:43:50.000 How do you maintain the incentive to hire more doctors and to compete with one another?

00:43:54.000 The only thing that drives better quality in a system is generally competition and some kind of choice associated with that.

00:44:01.000 So again, this is why I brought up the analogy with food stamps.

00:44:04.000 Because there's a way to do it.

00:44:06.000 And it's putting the money...

00:44:07.000 It's empowering the patient to make those choices.

00:44:10.000 Okay?

00:44:10.000 It's not saying we're going to leave you out to dry.

00:44:13.000 It's saying let's empower this patient.

00:44:16.000 Instead of putting them in this Medicaid enrollment...

00:44:17.000 Because the other problem with Medicaid, by the way, is a lot of doctors won't take it because of the reimbursement rates and because of how difficult it is to deal with the government.

00:44:24.000 Nobody likes dealing with the government.

00:44:26.000 The reason hospitals can make a profit at all is because insurance is why our insurance is so expensive.

00:44:31.000 Because insurance companies are paying...

00:44:33.000 150% of the cost of a procedure, whereas Medicare might be paying 60-70% of the cost of a procedure.

00:44:40.000 So if you make everybody pay 60-70% of the cost of a procedure, you're going to get less supply.

00:44:46.000 So is the idea that the reason why Medicare is only willing to pay 60-70% of the procedure is because they believe the procedure is overpriced?

00:44:55.000 It's a negotiation.

00:44:57.000 It's a formula.

00:45:00.000 How do they justify that?

00:45:02.000 Well, they're saving money.

00:45:03.000 I understand that.

00:45:04.000 But if you say it costs X amount to repair an ACL surgery, if you blow your ACL out and you've got to repair it, if Medicare is only willing to pay 60% of that rate, what are they saying?

00:45:16.000 Are they saying you don't deserve any more money because it's not worth that much?

00:45:20.000 Right.

00:45:20.000 That's what they're saying.

00:45:22.000 And this gets to another problem that The Trump administration fix was just price transparency, because this is the other thing.

00:45:30.000 Nobody seems to know how much anything costs, okay?

00:45:33.000 So the way we price out how much things cost in healthcare is based on these formularies that are derived from CMS, which is Medicare and Medicaid.

00:45:42.000 With CMS? It's Medicare and Medicaid.

00:45:44.000 It's the government organization.

00:45:47.000 And derived from private insurance.

00:45:49.000 And so that's how we sort of analyze what it costs.

00:45:52.000 But you go ask a hospital, not all hospitals, but many, and they're like, well, I can't tell you exactly how much it costs.

00:45:57.000 I'm like, well, what do you mean you can't tell me?

00:45:59.000 So price transparency something is a rule that was imposed recently that will fix this problem and get us to this point where we can finally start shopping around.

00:46:08.000 Now, some hospitals do do this and they make a big deal out of it.

00:46:11.000 They say, look, Here's our prices.

00:46:13.000 We're posting them.

00:46:14.000 A lot of independent facilities will do this as well.

00:46:18.000 This is what it's moving towards.

00:46:19.000 The direct primary care system that I was just talking about, that's getting at that truth.

00:46:24.000 It's like, look, this is what your care costs.

00:46:27.000 Here's all the services you get for $75 a month.

00:46:30.000 Again, it's not insurance.

00:46:31.000 It's not catastrophic.

00:46:33.000 But here's all the services you get.

00:46:35.000 Now you have a relationship with your doctor.

00:46:37.000 You never have to talk to insurance.

00:46:38.000 It's just he or she is there all the time.

00:46:41.000 So what do you do about insurance?

00:46:43.000 Go back to the food stamp analogy.

00:46:45.000 Put money in a...

00:46:47.000 Health savings account and allow you to choose what insurance works for you.

00:46:51.000 Hold on, stop.

00:46:52.000 When you say put money in a health insurance account, what does that mean?

00:46:55.000 Where's that money coming from?

00:46:57.000 So do you get to allocate how much money goes to this or to that?

00:47:01.000 It would be means tested just like anything else.

00:47:04.000 Means tested, how so?

00:47:05.000 It means if you're poor you get more, if you're you, you don't get any money.

00:47:08.000 But when you say the money goes into some sort of account, the individual who wants health care, what happens if that money runs out?

00:47:19.000 What if you have so many health problems?

00:47:21.000 What if you're just unfortunate biologically?

00:47:23.000 Well, you'd be buying insurance with that health savings account.

00:47:26.000 You would be buying insurance.

00:47:27.000 It would be up to the individual to choose which insurance they buy or don't buy.

00:47:32.000 So they would have to be educated on this.

00:47:34.000 Yeah, that's why you have a primary care doctor as well.

00:47:37.000 So the primary care doctor would also have to educate you on what kind of insurance you need?

00:47:41.000 You already have to be educated on it.

00:47:42.000 I mean, that problem already exists.

00:47:45.000 How so?

00:47:46.000 In the sense that we have private insurance out there and you've got to choose an Obamacare between gold plans and platinum plans and all these things.

00:47:53.000 Well, you have to make a choice.

00:47:54.000 You don't have to be educated.

00:47:55.000 You can just make a choice, right?

00:47:56.000 Yeah.

00:47:57.000 But choice is important.

00:47:58.000 There's this idea out there that nobody knows how to make choices for their things.

00:48:02.000 That's a common refrain I hear from the left. 1.00

00:48:04.000 People are just too stupid to do it. 1.00

00:48:06.000 It's not that they're stupid. 1.00

00:48:07.000 It's just they don't understand what's going on. 1.00

00:48:09.000 It's complicated.

00:48:10.000 But look, we have systems in place that score these plans as well.

00:48:17.000 And these are insurance plans, okay?

00:48:19.000 So I would categorize this in three phases as well.

00:48:23.000 Primary care, insurance, and then catastrophic and pre-existing conditions.

00:48:27.000 So say cancer and pre-existing conditions, lifelong care needed.

00:48:32.000 We're good to go.

00:48:54.000 That's probably just insurance. 0.99

00:48:56.000 That's a lot of fucking money for spinal surgery. 0.99

00:48:59.000 What if your insurance doesn't cover that? 0.99

00:49:01.000 How does one deal with the deductible?

00:49:05.000 So the way a lot of states have innovated through this is getting waivers from Obamacare.

00:49:11.000 Because Obamacare legislation is extremely regulatory, is that a word?

00:49:17.000 Burdensome.

00:49:19.000 And so you get waivers and then you set up your reinsurance program at the state level.

00:49:23.000 What this basically means is when that dollar sign hits too much, in order to prevent the insurance company from increasing premiums on everybody, they basically pay them back on the back end.

00:49:34.000 The patient never really sees this.

00:49:36.000 So that's how you deal with those really, really catastrophic cases that do cost exorbitant amounts of money.

00:49:41.000 So there's an answer for everything on this.

00:49:44.000 And again, what do you get from this that you're not getting from Medicare for All?

00:49:48.000 You're maintaining the quality of the system.

00:49:49.000 You're maintaining those profit incentives.

00:49:52.000 And you're maintaining that choice and competition.

00:49:54.000 And you're empowering the patient to actually choose.

00:49:57.000 In Medicare for All, you have no power.

00:49:59.000 So are you defending the current options that are available?

00:50:03.000 Or are you...

00:50:05.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:50:06.000 I'm advocating for change on this.

00:50:08.000 But what's the specific change?

00:50:11.000 What do you think the specific change should be?

00:50:13.000 Liberalize HSA accounts to an extraordinary...

00:50:15.000 You've got to do this in steps, right?

00:50:16.000 I would lay this out.

00:50:17.000 HSA? What is that?

00:50:18.000 Health Savings Account, the thing we talked about.

00:50:20.000 Government puts money...

00:50:21.000 Instead of government spending hundreds of billions of dollars, wasteful dollars that don't have the outcomes we wish they had...

00:50:27.000 Where's that money going to?

00:50:27.000 What's the waste?

00:50:28.000 What's the waste?

00:50:29.000 Well, a lot of it's through fraud, for instance, because people who are not qualified for Medicaid still get on Medicaid.

00:50:35.000 What makes someone qualified for Medicaid?

00:50:38.000 It's a means-tested program.

00:50:39.000 So it's a matter of how much money you make?

00:50:41.000 Right, right.

00:50:41.000 So there's a lot of people that make money that don't want to spend that money.

00:50:44.000 They lie?

00:50:45.000 This happens with any welfare program.

00:50:47.000 There's a lot of fraud and abuse that happens in all these government programs.

00:50:52.000 When you put trillions of dollars of taxpayer money into a program, there's a lot of people that have an incentive to try and extract as much money as possible out of those programs.

00:51:01.000 Human nature.

00:51:02.000 Human nature.

00:51:05.000 And they don't seem to have the outcomes that we'd like them to have.

00:51:09.000 It doesn't appear to anybody or To any of the people studying this who've done...

00:51:14.000 Again, there's a lot of university studies on this that would indicate what I said.

00:51:19.000 You don't get any better outcomes even though we're spending all this money.

00:51:22.000 So what might be a better way to do it?

00:51:24.000 And a lot of us think that empowering the patient with those funds, but also ensuring that they have that quarterback as well in the form of a primary care doctor...

00:51:36.000 Would have much better outcomes, maintain the profit incentives that actually make our healthcare system have the high quality that it does have, but also ensure that we meet the left's goal of getting people access to good quality healthcare.

00:51:51.000 Have you argued with anybody on the left about this?

00:51:55.000 Have you ever had a debate?

00:51:56.000 Every day, because I'm on the healthcare subcommittee now.

00:51:59.000 But have you had anything, like, publicly, where people can sort of like watch...

00:52:05.000 The Joe Rogan show.

00:52:06.000 Yeah, but it's only me on the other side.

00:52:08.000 I don't really understand what I'm talking about.

00:52:10.000 You know, I have ideas about what I would like.

00:52:12.000 I would like everybody to have healthcare.

00:52:14.000 That's it.

00:52:14.000 Yeah.

00:52:15.000 Well, by the way, that's basically their only point.

00:52:17.000 Yeah.

00:52:18.000 Well, that's what most people would like.

00:52:20.000 They would like everyone to have healthcare.

00:52:22.000 I don't think they understand...

00:52:23.000 They don't understand the trade-offs.

00:52:25.000 And everything has trade-offs.

00:52:26.000 There are no solutions in policymaking.

00:52:28.000 There are only trade-offs.

00:52:29.000 And if we're not honest about the trade-offs with Medicare for All, we're going to go down this path, and you're going to end up in a place that is less than ideal.

00:52:37.000 I promise you that.

00:52:39.000 With much higher taxes...

00:52:44.000 It's not a good place to be.

00:53:00.000 But then you have to solve a problem within a framework.

00:53:03.000 And this is where I'm constantly criticizing my liberal friends is, what's your framework?

00:53:07.000 What are the principles by which you solve problems?

00:53:10.000 See, I can name my principles.

00:53:12.000 I can name the questions that I ask before I solve a problem.

00:53:15.000 How much does it cost?

00:53:16.000 Is that sustainable?

00:53:17.000 Am I infringing on anybody else's rights when I do this?

00:53:20.000 Am I... Am I adhering to the basic notions of checks and balances and the rights of localities and states to make their own decisions that might fit their population the best?

00:53:33.000 There's a series of questions.

00:53:36.000 The left doesn't tend to ask those questions, right?

00:53:38.000 It seems to me that every time they propose a solution To a problem that we agree is a problem that needs to be solved, that solution is sort of like the first thing that sounds good.

00:53:50.000 How so?

00:53:51.000 Well, Medicare for All.

00:53:52.000 People need health care?

00:53:53.000 Okay, just give everybody health care.

00:53:54.000 Right.

00:53:55.000 But it's like, people should have higher wages?

00:53:58.000 Okay, just raise the minimum wage. 0.98

00:54:00.000 No problems, right?

00:54:00.000 No trade-offs.

00:54:01.000 They pretend like there's no trade-offs with any of their solutions, and I reject that.

00:54:07.000 And I'm always trying to expose what those trade-offs are to people.

00:54:10.000 And explain to people why there's a real reason why we should have a debate about this.

00:54:15.000 And there might be better solutions.

00:54:17.000 Better solutions that maybe take a scalpel to a problem instead of a hammer.

00:54:22.000 And those solutions have to be tailored around, I think, classically conservative principles.

00:54:30.000 It is fascinating what you talked about earlier, that people who are involved in dangerous occupations, whether it's soldiers or fighters or firefighters, they generally tend to be conservative because they have these occupations where they test themselves.

00:54:52.000 Whether they're forced to be tested, whether they're forced to be tested, whether it's their will, their discipline, their ability to understand the consequences of whatever it is they have to engage in.

00:55:05.000 And there's real life risks, real risks.

00:55:10.000 And people who don't get tested and people who are maybe uncomfortable with the idea of physical risks or don't understand what the consequences of physical risks are because they don't engage in them.

00:55:29.000 Maybe they don't engage in anything physically.

00:55:31.000 Maybe everything they engage in is intellectually.

00:55:34.000 Maybe they don't blend the physical world with the intellectual world.

00:55:40.000 They tend to be more liberal.

00:55:42.000 It is really weird.

00:55:43.000 It's really weird how there's like this line in the sand where you ask a person, what do you do for a living, buddy?

00:55:49.000 And they go, well, I'm a Navy SEAL. I go, that fucking guy's gonna vote Republican. 1.00

00:55:54.000 What do you do for a living? 1.00

00:55:55.000 Well, you know, I'm a social worker.

00:55:57.000 Oh, well...

00:55:58.000 For sure.

00:56:00.000 You voted for Biden-Harris.

00:56:01.000 We have dispositions that are different.

00:56:04.000 You should do things that are hard.

00:56:06.000 They help you build capacity.

00:56:09.000 You should do things that are hard.

00:56:10.000 Chapter 8 of my book, Fortitude, American Resilience in the Area of Outrage.

00:56:14.000 I'm not plugging it or anything.

00:56:15.000 You just did.

00:56:15.000 It's okay.

00:56:17.000 People plug things.

00:56:18.000 It's okay.

00:56:19.000 But you're right.

00:56:19.000 You should do things that are hard.

00:56:21.000 That should be a quote.

00:56:22.000 It should be a picture of your face and it says, you should do things that are hard.

00:56:25.000 And you do it all the time.

00:56:26.000 You might choose, I mean, you probably do a lot of hard things.

00:56:31.000 You're an extremely productive individual, which means, by definition, you're doing something that is challenging in order to reach the next horizon, if you will.

00:56:38.000 That's all I do.

00:56:39.000 I don't like to do things that are easy.

00:56:41.000 I don't like things that are easy. 0.96

00:56:43.000 I don't do a fucking single... 0.93

00:56:44.000 Other than love my family, there's not a thing that I do that's easy. 0.95

00:56:48.000 Everything else I do is hard.

00:56:51.000 And the only reason why the things that I do which are easy are easy is because I put in the work to make them easy.

00:56:57.000 Whether it's stand-up comedy or martial arts or anything.

00:57:00.000 That's a good way to put it.

00:57:01.000 That's all it is.

00:57:02.000 The reason why they're fairly easy, like if I roll with a white belt, it's fairly easy. 0.74

00:57:06.000 Why is it fairly easy? 0.98

00:57:07.000 Because I've been doing jujitsu for 30 fucking years. 0.99

00:57:10.000 That's why it's easy. 0.99

00:57:11.000 It's not...

00:57:12.000 Not really 30 years, but 25 or whatever it is.

00:57:15.000 Fact check.

00:57:17.000 I'm just being honest.

00:57:18.000 It's time.

00:57:19.000 It's all just time.

00:57:20.000 It's time.

00:57:21.000 It's time and effort.

00:57:23.000 But you have to put in time and effort.

00:57:25.000 And the problem with this world today is there's so many people that are given participation trophies and they tell you you're special, period. 0.99

00:57:33.000 You're a fucking curve model. 0.99

00:57:37.000 You don't have to lose weight. 1.00

00:57:38.000 You're a this, you're a that. 0.93

00:57:40.000 Everyone's amazing.

00:57:41.000 Everyone is amazing in their potential.

00:57:43.000 Everyone is amazing.

00:57:44.000 It's the worst thing you can tell somebody, though.

00:57:46.000 The worst thing you tell someone is they're great without doing any work.

00:57:49.000 The self-esteem movement is detrimental.

00:57:53.000 You should have high self-esteem no matter what.

00:57:55.000 You're perfect the way you are.

00:57:56.000 Your truth is what matters.

00:57:58.000 Just tell us your truth and we will mirror it for you.

00:58:03.000 I think we need two things.

00:58:04.000 We need both.

00:58:05.000 We need, you're okay.

00:58:07.000 Everyone has been in a down state.

00:58:09.000 Everyone has been low.

00:58:11.000 Everyone has failed.

00:58:12.000 Everyone has been weak.

00:58:14.000 Everyone has been unworthy or felt terrible or...

00:58:19.000 Just fell short of their goals.

00:58:22.000 But you're still loved as a member of the community.

00:58:25.000 But here's how you can feel better about yourself.

00:58:29.000 And one of the best ways to feel better about yourself is to push yourself into a realm where you didn't know that you had the capacity or the fortitude to enter. 0.99

00:58:40.000 Whatever the fuck it is. 0.98

00:58:42.000 Whether it's playing chess or whether it's swimming. 1.00

00:58:45.000 Whatever it is.

00:58:46.000 Push yourself.

00:58:47.000 Find a place where you didn't know that you can get to and get there.

00:58:51.000 And then you'll feel better.

00:58:53.000 Because life is bizarre.

00:58:54.000 And it's bizarrely challenging.

00:58:56.000 And if you decide to not engage in any challenges and you just want the benefits...

00:59:02.000 You just want accolades?

00:59:05.000 You just want love?

00:59:06.000 You just want respect for just existing? 1.00

00:59:09.000 Fucking frogs exist. 1.00

00:59:11.000 Everybody exists. 1.00

00:59:12.000 Trees exist.

00:59:13.000 They don't ask for anything.

00:59:14.000 You're asking for something because you want to...

00:59:17.000 In some way or another, you want to quantify and you want to figure out a way where whatever you're doing with your life is more valuable than what you realize you probably should be doing.

00:59:32.000 What you should be doing is pushing yourself.

00:59:34.000 What you should be doing is trying to figure out what makes you satisfied.

00:59:38.000 There's lows and highs.

00:59:39.000 There's peaks and valleys.

00:59:41.000 And unless you experience those valleys, you don't understand and you don't appreciate the peaks.

00:59:46.000 And some people don't want to experience the valleys.

00:59:48.000 They don't want to experience failure.

00:59:50.000 They don't want to experience the uncomfortable feeling of pushing themselves. 0.99

00:59:53.000 They don't want to experience that fucking darkness of not knowing if you can keep going. 0.73

00:59:59.000 But forcing yourself and then getting to the bright light of success Getting to the bright light of understanding your boundaries and your limitations and that these are flexible and that you can expand those boundaries and expand those limitations and become a stronger version of who you are today. 0.94

01:00:15.000 But people don't like that because it makes them uncomfortable.

01:00:18.000 So what they want to do is chastise all the people who are calling out for them to be better and get angry at all the people that are forcing them into a position where they have to look at themselves objectively and understand that they've got some flaws.

01:00:30.000 But we all have flaws. 0.98

01:00:31.000 But a guy like you, who's been through buds, who's a Navy SEAL, who's wearing an eye patch for a fucking reason because you're a blown up, right? 0.97

01:00:39.000 You're a guy who understands the real physical consequences of actual danger. 0.97

01:00:43.000 Real danger and real work.

01:00:46.000 Real hard work.

01:00:47.000 And overcoming those things.

01:00:49.000 And a lot of people don't like that.

01:00:50.000 They don't like being forced to acknowledge the fact that some people have experienced things that they couldn't possibly understand.

01:00:57.000 And they couldn't possibly comprehend.

01:01:00.000 Yeah, there's a lack of perspective out there.

01:01:03.000 And, you know, at the end of Hell Week is the most elated that any man will be.

01:01:08.000 Because you end Hell Week on a Friday afternoon.

01:01:14.000 I mean, you've been through hell.

01:01:15.000 I mean, your body is swollen, it's beaten. 1.00

01:01:18.000 You look like a bag of shit. 1.00

01:01:20.000 It's really impressive what we do to these people. 1.00

01:01:23.000 And that they can sustain it.

01:01:25.000 It starts about Sunday and then ends Friday afternoon.

01:01:31.000 And you're elated.

01:01:32.000 But people, you would think that you'd go to sleep immediately.

01:01:36.000 But it's not what happens.

01:01:38.000 There's a problem where we have to get guys to sleep on Friday.

01:01:42.000 Because they have a...

01:01:42.000 It's almost like they're elated.

01:01:45.000 Yeah, there's a euphoric feeling and they won't stop talking.

01:01:47.000 I would not stop talking.

01:01:48.000 And then I ate a whole tub of ice cream and I threw it all up.

01:01:51.000 It was really weird.

01:01:53.000 And you don't really sleep that much anyway because your body's really bloated so you also pee all night.

01:01:57.000 But anyway...

01:01:58.000 Um, but yeah, so you don't sleep.

01:01:59.000 So you'd think you'd be tired, but you're not because at a certain point you're just, you get that brown shirt.

01:02:04.000 So that's what happens.

01:02:04.000 Like if you, if you haven't been through hell week, you wear a white shirt after, after, after hell week, you wear a brown shirt.

01:02:09.000 It's a very significant thing.

01:02:11.000 And, um, then you find out that, uh, the training just gets suckier. 0.98

01:02:15.000 And so that, that sucks.

01:02:16.000 So the euphoria is gone and then you get blown up and who knows, but, um, But that moment is special because there's value in suffering.

01:02:24.000 And in today's society, we have convinced ourselves that there is no value in suffering, that the entire role of, say, government is to end your suffering.

01:02:32.000 But this is a false promise.

01:02:34.000 Not only is it a false promise, but it will create a weak society that is unable to sustain itself.

01:02:39.000 That's a really important point, and I think there's deep truth in that.

01:02:44.000 This is why victimhood politics is so dangerous.

01:02:47.000 And I would say populism is too.

01:02:48.000 I think the two are almost indistinguishable from each other.

01:02:52.000 People are always trying to talk about populism on the right and the left.

01:02:55.000 And I say, look, here's what populism is.

01:02:57.000 It's telling you what you feel.

01:02:58.000 It's mirroring your feelings back to you.

01:03:01.000 It's telling you what you want to hear as opposed to the truth.

01:03:05.000 I think that's a decent definition of populism.

01:03:07.000 I don't like it.

01:03:08.000 I don't like people embracing it.

01:03:11.000 It doesn't just mean, hey, things that are good that people are for.

01:03:14.000 Well, you know what?

01:03:15.000 A lot of people are for $1,600 checks that are free.

01:03:18.000 That doesn't mean it's a good policy.

01:03:20.000 That's a good example of populism.

01:03:21.000 People voted.

01:03:22.000 If they voted and said, do you want $100,000 for a year?

01:03:25.000 Yeah, totally.

01:03:26.000 Everybody would vote yes.

01:03:27.000 Yeah, why wouldn't you?

01:03:28.000 But is it a sustainable policy?

01:03:31.000 Of course not.

01:03:32.000 Of course not.

01:03:33.000 And the kind of amounts to the, I think, drastic lurches in welfare policy or infrastructure spending and all of these things that we're seeing.

01:03:42.000 It's populism on steroids.

01:03:44.000 It's telling you what you want to hear.

01:03:46.000 And that's not truth.

01:03:47.000 That's not truth.

01:03:48.000 And we have to get back to truth.

01:03:49.000 And we have to get away from this victimhood mentality where we actually elevate this idea of being helpless.

01:03:55.000 See, that's what's changed.

01:03:57.000 That's what's changed in the last decade.

01:03:59.000 It used to be that, well, you might feel some shame if you were the type to, you know what, I need some help.

01:04:05.000 I feel bad about it.

01:04:06.000 I'm going to get back on my feet, but I need some help right now.

01:04:09.000 That used to be the sort of American way.

01:04:11.000 We need a safety net.

01:04:13.000 Nobody would disagree with that.

01:04:15.000 We need a safety net.

01:04:16.000 We need to help people who have truly fallen on hard times, who lost their jobs because of COVID. But does that also mean we need to provide a $1,400 check to somebody who never lost their job and whose biggest hardship has been Zoom meetings?

01:04:27.000 Of course not.

01:04:28.000 But over 100 million people were getting checks that never lost their jobs.

01:04:31.000 100 million?

01:04:32.000 Easily.

01:04:33.000 Through COVID? It's way more than that.

01:04:35.000 I'm cutting it off at 100 million.

01:04:36.000 Hold on.

01:04:36.000 Explain that to me.

01:04:38.000 When we send out checks, the direct cash payments, I've always been against direct cash payments.

01:04:43.000 So the COVID stimulus checks.

01:04:46.000 Yeah.

01:04:47.000 Because they go out to anybody who makes...

01:04:49.000 People got those checks that didn't lose their jobs?

01:04:51.000 Of course.

01:04:52.000 What?

01:04:53.000 Yeah, the cutoff was like 75k a year.

01:04:55.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute.

01:04:56.000 That means every federal, well not every, but a lot of federal workers getting them too.

01:05:00.000 So people that didn't lose any money because of the pandemic still got checks?

01:05:03.000 Yeah, these were never based on your situation.

01:05:08.000 What?

01:05:09.000 Yeah.

01:05:09.000 Really?

01:05:10.000 It's ridiculous. 0.96

01:05:11.000 I didn't know that. 0.96

01:05:12.000 I thought you had to lose your job.

01:05:14.000 I thought there was a problem.

01:05:15.000 Yeah.

01:05:16.000 Wait a minute.

01:05:16.000 So people who never lost a penny.

01:05:19.000 So if you look at their tax receipts, you look at their...

01:05:24.000 What they made in 2019 versus 2020. Correct.

01:05:28.000 They didn't lose any money.

01:05:31.000 It's based on just your income.

01:05:33.000 So I think 75k a year was the cutoff.

01:05:35.000 But also if you're a married couple, 150k.

01:05:38.000 And if you have kids, then it's even more.

01:05:40.000 I've got a lot of active duty military friends.

01:05:43.000 We're getting thousands of dollars because, you know, they have kids, and they're like, why?

01:05:48.000 This is such a waste of taxpayer money.

01:05:51.000 I mean, do your duty and go spend it on a local business that's been suffering.

01:05:55.000 I thought the money was allocated to people that lost money because of the pandemic.

01:05:58.000 No, no, no, because we already have a system for that.

01:06:00.000 It's unemployment insurance.

01:06:01.000 Our system works fine for that.

01:06:03.000 And this is always my thing.

01:06:05.000 It's like, look, I'm in favor of temporarily boosting payments to those who are unemployed on unemployed insurance.

01:06:11.000 Usually state-run unemployment insurance runs at a formula that would make sure that you're not making more than you would have if you were already employed.

01:06:20.000 Because you don't want to have a disincentive to go back to work.

01:06:23.000 What we did in the initial stages of the pandemic was increase that to an extra $600 a week if you're unemployed.

01:06:29.000 I'm okay with that for a few weeks during hard times.

01:06:32.000 The problem is Democrats want to keep it forever.

01:06:34.000 And now every business I talk to is like, I can't hire people.

01:06:37.000 I have so many job openings right now.

01:06:40.000 Can't hire anybody.

01:06:40.000 Because we still have it.

01:06:42.000 It's $300 a week, but we still have it.

01:06:44.000 It means people are getting paid to stay home.

01:06:47.000 They're making a purely rational financial decision.

01:06:49.000 But again, that's one conversation.

01:06:51.000 That's at least a debate to be had during hard times.

01:06:55.000 But the direct cash payments?

01:06:57.000 That's nuts.

01:06:58.000 That's nuts.

01:06:59.000 What are the direct cash payments?

01:07:01.000 That's the free money.

01:07:02.000 That's the free money.

01:07:03.000 So this is the people that, even though they still make the same amount they made in 2019, in 2020 they got a big check for no reason.

01:07:11.000 Yep.

01:07:11.000 100%.

01:07:12.000 That seems crazy.

01:07:14.000 And if you do the math, that's well over 100 million people.

01:07:17.000 And they just got it.

01:07:18.000 They didn't ask for it.

01:07:19.000 They just received it.

01:07:20.000 So it's not something they're guilty of.

01:07:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:22.000 They just received it.

01:07:23.000 But it gets to the cultural argument that we're talking about.

01:07:26.000 There was no backlash for this.

01:07:28.000 Even on the right, I remember I was a little frustrated with the president, or the ex-president, Donald Trump, the president I voted for, that he was pushing for those $2,000 cash payments.

01:07:41.000 But don't you think that he was doing that politically?

01:07:43.000 And I didn't vote for him.

01:07:44.000 But that's the point.

01:07:45.000 But don't you think that was...

01:07:46.000 But that's the point.

01:07:46.000 That's political.

01:07:47.000 That's exactly the point.

01:07:49.000 There's an incentive now to pay people off with their own money, and it's not good.

01:07:54.000 Yeah, but don't you think that he was in a desperation situation where he just wanted to get re-elected?

01:07:59.000 I mean, he's coming through this whole...

01:08:00.000 This was in December.

01:08:01.000 He had already lost.

01:08:03.000 Oh, so in December, after he lost, he still...

01:08:07.000 But he didn't think he lost.

01:08:09.000 He thought he was still going to...

01:08:11.000 That's a good conversation.

01:08:13.000 He thought he was going to somehow or another get reinstated.

01:08:16.000 I don't know if he ever truly believed that, but...

01:08:19.000 He was pushing for it.

01:08:20.000 But yeah, on the victimhood side, this is the demise of the republic.

01:08:25.000 When people are comfortable with being bought off with their own tax dollars.

01:08:29.000 And more than that, comfortable with being told that they're victimized and that some other group Right.

01:08:39.000 So it's not just that they're in a bad situation.

01:08:41.000 They're in a bad situation because someone did it to you.

01:08:43.000 And maybe it's the 1%.

01:08:44.000 Right.

01:08:44.000 Maybe it's those mean corporate giants and now those corporate giants are trying to get all woke and get on the Democrats' good side like they always do because they want to maintain their little piece of the pie.

01:08:54.000 That's where it gets tricky, right?

01:08:56.000 Where they manipulate the narrative and they realize where people's heads are at so they try to jump on board.

01:09:02.000 Yeah.

01:09:05.000 Do you want to go into that, into Georgia and everything?

01:09:08.000 Georgia's a weird situation, right?

01:09:10.000 Because I don't understand why people are so upset and why somehow or another it seems to be that the narrative is that this is a racist decision.

01:09:23.000 They're trying to get people to explain what's happening.

01:09:26.000 They're trying to get people to...

01:09:28.000 You have to have ID... To vote with a mail-in ballot?

01:09:32.000 Is that what the...

01:09:33.000 Yeah, so you have to provide now your driver's license number on your mail-in ballot.

01:09:37.000 Is there anything valid about the idea that in somehow or another this is racist towards black people? 0.87

01:09:42.000 No, it's absurd.

01:09:43.000 But is there an argument where they're saying it, maybe they don't understand how it's written out and they're being manipulated?

01:09:52.000 Like, what is the reason why so many people...

01:09:55.000 Like, it was part of SNL, right?

01:09:57.000 No.

01:09:58.000 Like in the monologue or one of their sketches this weekend?

01:10:01.000 What is it about it?

01:10:02.000 Like MLB, the Major League Baseball, they're pulling their All-Star game from Georgia because of this.

01:10:09.000 Why are they doing that?

01:10:10.000 Yeah.

01:10:11.000 I mean, I would say this.

01:10:12.000 You find me a group of people that doesn't have IDs.

01:10:16.000 Find me them.

01:10:17.000 Find me them.

01:10:18.000 And the first thing we should do is get them IDs.

01:10:21.000 Right.

01:10:21.000 But first, find me them.

01:10:23.000 And you go into any black neighborhood, and you interview people, and you ask them this extremely insulting question.

01:10:29.000 Why can't you get an ID? And they're going to be like...

01:10:32.000 I have an ID. What are you talking about?

01:10:33.000 I have an ID. You have a driver's license.

01:10:35.000 You have a social security card. 1.00

01:10:36.000 Why do you think I'm so stupid that I can't figure out an ID? What is the ID that you have to have? 0.99

01:10:40.000 You have to have a photo ID? Just a government-issued ID. A regular ID. Just a typical ID. So can it be a social security card?

01:10:47.000 Can it be a driver's license?

01:10:48.000 Can it be anything?

01:10:49.000 In this particular case, we're talking about a driver's license.

01:10:51.000 And if you lose your driver's license, you can still get a photo ID, right?

01:10:55.000 Yeah, you would still get it.

01:10:56.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know the details of the Georgia law.

01:10:59.000 But this gets back to the basic notion.

01:11:02.000 Democrats think all voter ID laws are racist.

01:11:04.000 But let me ask you this.

01:11:06.000 Why is that?

01:11:06.000 Why do they think that's racist to have an ID? They have it in their heads.

01:11:11.000 But what's their argument?

01:11:12.000 I wish I could tell you.

01:11:15.000 I've never heard a good argument except to say that on the average, minorities have less access to IDs.

01:11:22.000 But what about poor people that are white?

01:11:24.000 People that live in West Virginia, coal mining towns? 0.99

01:11:27.000 They don't care about them, first of all.

01:11:29.000 And second of all, they also have ideas.

01:11:31.000 Who's that?

01:11:31.000 The Democrats.

01:11:32.000 The Democrats.

01:11:33.000 The Democrat people who are saying these things.

01:11:35.000 But is that just because they're trying to push this narrative to maintain power or to try to push people into this position where they believe what they're saying?

01:11:44.000 If you're asking me, yes.

01:11:46.000 That's what I think.

01:11:47.000 And I'm not trying to build a straw man argument.

01:11:49.000 What's the argument against it?

01:11:50.000 What's the argument for the idea that this is racist to ask people that they have to have an ID? It's about mail-in ballots.

01:11:57.000 Is that correct?

01:11:58.000 Do you mean what's my argument?

01:11:59.000 No, their argument.

01:12:00.000 Is it about mail-in ballots?

01:12:02.000 Is that what it is where you need an ID? You need a valid ID to mail in a ballot?

01:12:07.000 Is that what it is?

01:12:08.000 The new Georgia law is that.

01:12:10.000 That's what it is.

01:12:11.000 Because previously, it's signature verification.

01:12:13.000 I'm not a fan of signature verification.

01:12:15.000 Because you could forge someone's signature.

01:12:17.000 When I was a kid, I used to forge Ace Frehley's signature.

01:12:19.000 You could try.

01:12:20.000 And how are you assessing this?

01:12:21.000 I mean, this is difficult.

01:12:22.000 So you're assessing a signature that somebody put on the pad at the DMV 10 years ago.

01:12:27.000 And you would have to have a signature expert in order to do it correctly?

01:12:31.000 And this goes both ways, too.

01:12:32.000 Yeah.

01:12:32.000 I mean, how are you doing this?

01:12:33.000 I don't like the way this is done in any state.

01:12:35.000 Were you dealing with millions of ballots?

01:12:37.000 Who's looking at those signatures?

01:12:39.000 Let me give you a stat real quick.

01:12:41.000 In the 2020 Democrat primaries, so the presidential elections in 2020 for the Democrats, about over 500,000 ballots were thrown out.

01:12:50.000 Thrown out.

01:12:51.000 Mail-in ballots, thrown out.

01:12:53.000 So why are they thrown out?

01:12:55.000 There's only two reasons.

01:12:56.000 Well, because of signature mismatches and maybe other clerical errors.

01:12:59.000 But here's the thing.

01:13:01.000 When a signature is mismatched, there's only one of two possible reasons.

01:13:04.000 Attempted fraud, And the election official did the right thing.

01:13:07.000 Or the second possible reason, the election official did the wrong thing and threw out a valid ballot.

01:13:12.000 Shouldn't it be like fingerprints or something like that?

01:13:14.000 It seems like signatures...

01:13:16.000 If you look at my signature from like a year ago and today, I'm getting lazier.

01:13:21.000 So you're either having...

01:13:22.000 It's either easy to attempt fraud or you're throwing out valid ballots.

01:13:26.000 Either way, I don't know why you...

01:13:27.000 500,000?

01:13:28.000 It's over that, but yeah, and just the 2020 election.

01:13:31.000 Is it subjective?

01:13:32.000 Do people challenge this?

01:13:34.000 It depends on the state. 0.99

01:13:35.000 Do people say, like, hey, man, that's my fucking signature? 0.99

01:13:37.000 Yes. 0.99

01:13:38.000 Yeah, so you can cure ballots.

01:13:40.000 But how do you know?

01:13:41.000 Like, what if you vote and they say your signature's no good?

01:13:44.000 Yeah, well, then you can cure it.

01:13:45.000 Then you can go through a process to cure it.

01:13:46.000 But how do you find out?

01:13:47.000 It depends on the state.

01:13:49.000 This is exactly why you shouldn't have an overuse of mail-in ballots, because it's so complicated.

01:13:55.000 So mail-in ballots were not established, but they were reinforced because of COVID, right?

01:14:00.000 And the left wanted this, the right didn't.

01:14:04.000 Why is that?

01:14:05.000 Because of what I just explained.

01:14:06.000 But what is the disparity between the left and the right when it comes to mail-in ballots?

01:14:09.000 I'm having trouble giving you their argument, because I don't understand it.

01:14:14.000 This is, like, often times I get where they're trying to go, and I can present their argument fairly well.

01:14:19.000 They were more risk-averse.

01:14:20.000 The idea is that people on the left are more risk-averse, so they don't want to do it in person.

01:14:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:14:24.000 Well, there's that, but I think that was more of an excuse, right?

01:14:27.000 You think so?

01:14:27.000 Yeah, because, I mean, they're going to grocery stores every day.

01:14:29.000 No, no, no, no.

01:14:30.000 I know a lot of people that were terrified of being trapped in lines.

01:14:33.000 I know, I know, I have friends on the left that didn't want to vote in person because, no, I'm telling you, I know- But did they go to a grocery store?

01:14:40.000 Yeah, but it's a different thing.

01:14:41.000 You're not stuck in a line.

01:14:43.000 No, you are stuck in a line.

01:14:44.000 No, you're not.

01:14:45.000 You're interacting with more people at a grocery store.

01:14:47.000 Yeah, but no, you're not.

01:14:48.000 But grocery stores give you this big six-foot gap.

01:14:50.000 They do in voting lines, too.

01:14:52.000 Yeah, but do they?

01:14:54.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:14:54.000 No, I've passed by a voting line.

01:14:56.000 I saw these motherfuckers sandwiched in next to each other. 1.00

01:14:59.000 No. 0.99

01:15:00.000 There was people waiting to get outside of the post office to drop mail-in voters that were sandwiched next to each other.

01:15:06.000 I never experienced that.

01:15:08.000 Where'd you vote?

01:15:09.000 It's possible though, right?

01:15:10.000 Yes.

01:15:10.000 I mailed it in.

01:15:11.000 I voted for California, but through Texas.

01:15:14.000 Okay, but you didn't vote in Texas.

01:15:16.000 Sort of a halfway protest vote.

01:15:17.000 But I did.

01:15:17.000 I was in Texas.

01:15:19.000 But you weren't at a voting...

01:15:21.000 Mail-in! 0.93

01:15:21.000 But you weren't at a polling station. 0.93

01:15:22.000 I went post office.

01:15:22.000 But you didn't go to a voting station.

01:15:24.000 But the day of the vote...

01:15:26.000 You went to a post office.

01:15:28.000 Yes. 0.99

01:15:28.000 There was a fucking line of people trying to do that. 0.99

01:15:30.000 That's a totally different discussion. 0.99

01:15:31.000 Okay.

01:15:32.000 I understand what you're saying.

01:15:33.000 If you wanted voted in person, this is what it would have looked like.

01:15:36.000 You would have talked to somebody, would have shown them your ID, they'd give you a little piece of paper, you go to a machine, and you vote, and then you leave.

01:15:44.000 You never actually interact with anybody.

01:15:45.000 And everybody has to stand up.

01:15:46.000 Yeah, they were actually really strict about it.

01:15:48.000 So it's no different than the supermarket.

01:15:49.000 Yeah, I would say there's less human interaction at the voting station.

01:15:53.000 At the supermarket, I have to give that person all of my stuff.

01:15:57.000 They touch it all, they scan it, and then they put it in a bag, and then I leave.

01:16:01.000 I'm also walking around the supermarket with a million other people.

01:16:05.000 So, I mean, if people are going to a supermarket but they won't go vote in person, I question their motives here.

01:16:12.000 I understand what you're saying.

01:16:13.000 And I think they were trying to get more mail-in ballots.

01:16:15.000 I understand what you're saying, but for individuals, they were worried about risk assessment.

01:16:19.000 And they were saying, well, is there a way that I could have less risk?

01:16:23.000 Well, there's a clear way.

01:16:25.000 That way is mail-in your ballot.

01:16:27.000 That one day, you don't have to be in a group of people.

01:16:32.000 Yeah.

01:16:33.000 Do you understand that, though?

01:16:34.000 Well, it's hard to understand because it's not rational.

01:16:38.000 It is rational.

01:16:39.000 Here's why.

01:16:39.000 Because it's one more day.

01:16:41.000 Because every whatever it is, every X amount of days where you have to go to the grocery store and get your goods, you can do that and figure out a way to avoid people and put a double mask on.

01:16:53.000 You can do the same thing with voting.

01:16:54.000 But you can't.

01:16:55.000 It's one day.

01:16:56.000 But the sanctity of secure voting is an important thing.

01:16:59.000 I agree.

01:17:00.000 We have a real problem in this country.

01:17:01.000 I'm playing devil's advocate.

01:17:02.000 You understand what I'm doing here.

01:17:03.000 I get it.

01:17:04.000 I'm saying for people that are risk averse, for them that one day was like, is there a way that I can avoid large groups of people?

01:17:14.000 There is.

01:17:14.000 That is mail-in ballots.

01:17:16.000 So the Democrats were enforcing this concept that if you...

01:17:20.000 Mail in your ballot.

01:17:21.000 That's why way more people mailed in their ballot on Democratic sides.

01:17:26.000 That's why Pennsylvania was so weird, right?

01:17:28.000 Because in the beginning, the first counts were the people that showed up, and those people were predominantly Republican.

01:17:37.000 But then as time went on, they started counting in the mail-in ballots, which were predominantly Democrat.

01:17:42.000 I mean, Kyle Kalinske called this out.

01:17:44.000 We had a podcast we did, Election Night, with Tim Dillon and Kyle Kalinske, and Kyle explained exactly how it was going to go down.

01:17:52.000 He said, Pennsylvania's going to look like it's going to be Republican in the beginning, and then it's going to eventually turn towards the Democrats because they're going to start counting the mail-in ballots late.

01:18:02.000 Well, he explained exactly what happened.

01:18:04.000 And he also said there's going to be a lot of people that call shenanigans. 1.00

01:18:08.000 Well, those people were the fucking president. 1.00

01:18:10.000 Donald Trump was saying all overnight, all of a sudden, I got all these votes that were for the fucking Democrats. 1.00

01:18:17.000 How'd that happen? 0.99

01:18:18.000 Well, it happened because if you understood the process of mail-in ballots versus people showing up in person, you should have expected that.

01:18:27.000 So, fine.

01:18:29.000 I'll assume that their intentions are pure and they're genuinely scared of the voting booth.

01:18:33.000 Just the individuals, not the party.

01:18:35.000 Not the party.

01:18:36.000 Just the individuals.

01:18:37.000 There's a collectivism there that I think is very frustrating to me.

01:18:41.000 And I think the messaging should have been honest and science-based.

01:18:43.000 What's the collectivism?

01:18:44.000 That, hey, this is the thing we say, so we say it.

01:18:47.000 And we just say it over and over again.

01:18:48.000 Voting is dangerous.

01:18:49.000 Right, but when so many people do that because they do believe that, Yeah, I don't see how you can say that you're the one who follows the science and then also say that it's less dangerous to go to the grocery store than it is to go voting.

01:19:00.000 It's just not the case.

01:19:02.000 But let's assume the intentions are pure.

01:19:04.000 I don't want to quibble on that.

01:19:05.000 Who said it was less dangerous, though?

01:19:07.000 You, just a second ago.

01:19:08.000 I mean, basically.

01:19:09.000 Okay.

01:19:10.000 But what I'm saying is not that it's less dangerous, but that there's a day that you can avoid danger.

01:19:16.000 If there's a day you can avoid danger by mailing in a ballot...

01:19:19.000 Oh, granted.

01:19:19.000 Their intentions are pure.

01:19:21.000 Their intentions are totally pure.

01:19:23.000 100%.

01:19:23.000 There's no way that they want...

01:19:25.000 There's no fuckery at all.

01:19:26.000 There's no way that they want a system that just makes it easier to generally have some organic voter fraud.

01:19:31.000 If Trump wins, they're happy because it's what people want, right?

01:19:34.000 Yeah.

01:19:35.000 Okay.

01:19:36.000 But it gets back to the problem the right has with mail-in ballots generally is this problem with how do you verify it?

01:19:45.000 How do you deal with chain of custody issues?

01:19:47.000 The sanctity of an election must be self-evident, in my opinion.

01:19:51.000 When I go vote in Texas, and you'll do this eventually, you'll vote in Texas, and it'll be different from how you voted in California.

01:19:56.000 I voted in California, so I know when I go to California, I just tell them my name.

01:20:01.000 I'll show them an ID. Now, I could tell them any name.

01:20:05.000 Alright?

01:20:05.000 That makes me feel uncomfortable.

01:20:07.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute.

01:20:08.000 What are you saying?

01:20:08.000 In California, do you show them an ID when you go vote?

01:20:11.000 Or do you just always vote by mail because you're Joe Rogan and you don't want to actually show up there?

01:20:16.000 No, I'm being honest.

01:20:17.000 Okay, well you don't have to.

01:20:18.000 You have to be on the voter rolls in the proper area.

01:20:22.000 But you can say any name.

01:20:24.000 This makes people uncomfortable.

01:20:25.000 You can say any name if you're on the voter roll.

01:20:28.000 You don't have to show an ID. Like if I just show up and say I'm Dan Crenshaw and they go, oh, Dan Crenshaw hasn't voted.

01:20:34.000 They might catch it.

01:20:34.000 They might not.

01:20:35.000 You don't have to show your ID. Really?

01:20:38.000 In Texas you do.

01:20:40.000 Really?

01:20:40.000 In Texas you do.

01:20:43.000 This is why we care about voter ID. I don't know why it doesn't make sense to people.

01:20:47.000 Well, I think it should be biometrics.

01:20:50.000 My perspective is, why is it okay that I bank online, but I can't vote online?

01:20:56.000 If I use Apple ID, Face ID, and I look at my phone, I can get into my phone, I can check my email, I can do all the different things that I do with my phone.

01:21:07.000 And supposedly it's secure because it recognizes my face.

01:21:10.000 Or if you have an Android phone, you can use your thumbprint.

01:21:13.000 Why can't we do that to vote?

01:21:15.000 If your thumbprint is a unique signature of the individual, we agree with that.

01:21:22.000 We agree that Apple ID, they allowed me to go to a store and buy hundreds of dollars worth of food with my face.

01:21:30.000 Look at my face.

01:21:31.000 I put it next to the thing.

01:21:33.000 How come you can't vote?

01:21:35.000 I'd say a couple things about that.

01:21:37.000 You know, online banking, mostly secure, but banks still segregate about, you know, hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars a year for banking fraud, right?

01:21:48.000 They budget it in.

01:21:49.000 So they know it happens.

01:21:51.000 Wait a minute.

01:21:52.000 Hundreds and hundreds of millions.

01:21:54.000 There's fraud in banking.

01:21:56.000 With all the banks.

01:21:57.000 Right.

01:21:57.000 There's ways to get around systems electronically for really smart people.

01:22:01.000 It does happen.

01:22:02.000 And so the thing is, how much are we willing to accept for voting?

01:22:06.000 Now, I would argue that we should not accept anything.

01:22:08.000 I mean, Marionette Miller-Meeks in Iowa won by six votes.

01:22:11.000 I won by 155 votes in my first primary.

01:22:15.000 155. Or six.

01:22:18.000 Six votes.

01:22:19.000 Forget about the conspiracy theories of hundreds of thousands of votes being changed overnight.

01:22:24.000 Forget about that.

01:22:25.000 Let's talk about six votes.

01:22:26.000 And you know how easy it would be to do six votes?

01:22:29.000 Because how many states did you hear about where your mail-in ballot is coming to your home and it has somebody else's name on it?

01:22:35.000 Maybe because they used to live there.

01:22:37.000 Maybe it's your dead relative.

01:22:39.000 How easy would it be to just send it back in?

01:22:42.000 Boom, six votes.

01:22:43.000 Six votes in one household.

01:22:44.000 Especially if you're dealing with millions of votes.

01:22:46.000 How many of those are getting verified?

01:22:47.000 This is the point that we're making.

01:22:49.000 And this is also why I say, look, just show up and vote.

01:22:51.000 Let's show up and vote, have an ID. Why is this so hard?

01:22:54.000 And if you're disabled, if you're truly disabled, you can't make it to a voting station, let's have a system for you to vote by mail.

01:23:00.000 This is basically what we have in Texas.

01:23:01.000 I think we need to stiffen it up a little bit, which we're doing.

01:23:05.000 But this is basically what we have.

01:23:07.000 When I go vote in Texas, I can't figure out how I would cheat.

01:23:10.000 I can figure out how I would cheat in California.

01:23:12.000 I can imagine it right away.

01:23:14.000 But I can't imagine how I would do it in Texas.

01:23:16.000 Because I have to show them my ID. They look at it.

01:23:19.000 They give me a little piece of...

01:23:20.000 It's on an electronic voting machine.

01:23:22.000 Okay, there's no paper either.

01:23:24.000 Maybe you should have paper backup.

01:23:26.000 Okay, that's a reasonable thing to say.

01:23:28.000 But there's no way that somebody else can go and fudge my ballot after I've given it in either.

01:23:32.000 This makes me feel happy.

01:23:34.000 This makes me feel like the integrity of the election is actually self-evident.

01:23:38.000 This is all we're trying to get at.

01:23:39.000 What do you think is going on in Georgia?

01:23:40.000 Like, why do you think that they are saying that this is the new Jim Crow and that...

01:23:46.000 Because it's a swing state.

01:23:47.000 That's why.

01:23:48.000 Is that what it is?

01:23:49.000 Because Georgia voting laws, their new voting laws are still far less strict than, say, like New York and Delaware.

01:23:55.000 Everybody's been having a field day with this, just comparing liberal states to Georgia now.

01:23:59.000 I have seen that.

01:24:00.000 It is fascinating that New Jersey is far more complicated than Georgia.

01:24:04.000 And why aren't they Jim Crow laws?

01:24:06.000 They're not.

01:24:06.000 Because they're not swing states.

01:24:07.000 Right.

01:24:08.000 So that's really what it is?

01:24:09.000 Because the Democrats are complete opportunists, and these woke corporations have completely fallen in bed with them.

01:24:13.000 So we're talking about Major League Baseball, that they pulled their all-star game out of Georgia.

01:24:18.000 Do you think that this is just entirely because of optics?

01:24:24.000 God, why?

01:24:25.000 Why are they doing that?

01:24:26.000 I think, well, of course they didn't read the legislation, right?

01:24:29.000 There's always this belief that whatever Republicans do with election law, that it must be Jim Crow.

01:24:34.000 Isn't it also influence?

01:24:36.000 Like someone tells you, like, hey, this is racist.

01:24:38.000 You don't want to be a part of something that's racist.

01:24:39.000 You're like, I don't.

01:24:40.000 Well, the president said it, right?

01:24:41.000 Because there was some rumors that players were going to ask for it.

01:24:45.000 And then the president gets on ESPN and says they should definitely do it.

01:24:48.000 And then what do they do?

01:24:49.000 They definitely do it. 0.97

01:24:50.000 But the problem is there's so much fucking information out there, and there's so much chatter. 0.97

01:24:55.000 Like, the president said that, like, soccer players, the female soccer players should be paid what the male soccer players are paid. 0.98

01:25:01.000 And how would that work?

01:25:01.000 Like, well, that doesn't make any sense.

01:25:04.000 The reason why...

01:25:05.000 Whether it's basketball or...

01:25:08.000 The only one who's got a good argument is Claressa Shields, who's like the best women's boxer in the world. 1.00

01:25:12.000 She's got a good argument, and she brought it on the podcast.

01:25:15.000 She brought up her own ratings on television shows when she was on versus when males were on, that males were getting paid more than she was.

01:25:26.000 But her ratings were just as good.

01:25:28.000 Yeah, her ratings were just as good.

01:25:28.000 That's a good argument.

01:25:29.000 That's a good argument, yeah.

01:25:30.000 But like...

01:25:32.000 The WNBA, there's no argument that they should be getting paid as much as LeBron James. 0.82

01:25:36.000 If anybody tried to bring that up, it would be shot down so quickly, because who the fuck is going to see, unfortunately, who's going to see the WNBA? Certainly there's a lot of fans, but it's a small amount in comparison to the actual NBA. That's where it gets weird.

01:25:53.000 So the idea that the President of the United States would say that women whatever should be paid the same as male whatever, that's like saying women comedians should be paid the same as Dave Chappelle.

01:26:04.000 Well, that doesn't make sense because more people go see Dave Chappelle because he's more famous.

01:26:08.000 It's nonsense.

01:26:09.000 This is like a weird little game you're playing.

01:26:11.000 The outcome has to matter.

01:26:13.000 Right.

01:26:14.000 You're pretending that it's sexist when it's really just...

01:26:20.000 It's a meritocracy.

01:26:21.000 It's what it is. 1.00

01:26:23.000 People go to see the fucking NBA. It's a giant sport. 1.00

01:26:27.000 It's huge.

01:26:27.000 If they had a female NFL and the female NFL players demanded the same amount as the male NFL players, how many people are going?

01:26:37.000 Where's the revenue coming from?

01:26:39.000 How are you earning this money?

01:26:41.000 There has to be a value associated with whatever activity you're engaging in.

01:26:45.000 But in the case of the Georgia thing, I mean, the egregious part about it was it was just lying.

01:26:49.000 It was just lying, straight up lying.

01:26:51.000 I mean, the Washington Post gave Biden four Pinocchios on this.

01:26:55.000 The Washington Post did?

01:26:56.000 Yeah, they fact-checked the hell out of him for it.

01:26:58.000 Because he's saying, oh, you can't get water if you're in line in Georgia.

01:27:01.000 They're closing down voting over here.

01:27:04.000 It's just lies.

01:27:06.000 Right, but here's what's true.

01:27:07.000 You can't give people water.

01:27:09.000 If you're an electioneer, I can't wear a Joe Biden shirt and give you water.

01:27:12.000 But that's the case in Texas, by the way.

01:27:13.000 You're not allowed to electioneer.

01:27:15.000 But it's not just that.

01:27:16.000 Within a certain distance of the poll, you're not allowed to give people gifts.

01:27:21.000 Correct.

01:27:21.000 So you can't give them anything.

01:27:23.000 Right.

01:27:23.000 You can't give them cookies.

01:27:25.000 You can't give them coffee.

01:27:26.000 You can't give them water.

01:27:27.000 This is the case in most states.

01:27:29.000 Right. 0.94

01:27:30.000 How the fuck do those people that are trying to get into America get Biden shirts? 0.96

01:27:35.000 Do you know what I'm talking about? 0.98

01:27:37.000 What's going on with that?

01:27:39.000 Because these are organized events and they're well funded.

01:27:42.000 By who?

01:27:43.000 It's hard to say.

01:27:44.000 The drug cartels certainly have an incentive to fund this.

01:27:48.000 Mexican drug cartels, because they make millions and millions of dollars a month.

01:27:52.000 You're going to get charged about $300 per head to cross the southern border.

01:27:57.000 Get charged?

01:27:58.000 By the drug cartels.

01:28:01.000 They control that border.

01:28:03.000 When you say charged, who's getting charged?

01:28:06.000 The person that wants to come across?

01:28:08.000 The person.

01:28:08.000 So if you want to come across, you give the cartel $300 and they get you across?

01:28:13.000 More or less, yeah.

01:28:15.000 And so they'll take you to the landing zone, they'll put you on a raft, and they say, okay, go turn yourself into Border Patrol, if you have kids with you.

01:28:21.000 If you don't have kids with you, you're a single adult, you might have to pay more, because now you need Coyotes to actually get you across and escape Border Patrol.

01:28:29.000 I like how you said that like a Mexican.

01:28:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:31.000 Coyotes.

01:28:31.000 See what I did there?

01:28:31.000 Yeah, I like how you did that.

01:28:33.000 I speak Spanish.

01:28:34.000 I went to high school in Colombia.

01:28:35.000 Did you really?

01:28:36.000 Yeah.

01:28:36.000 You went to high school in Colombia?

01:28:38.000 Yeah.

01:28:38.000 How much coke did you do?

01:28:41.000 None.

01:28:42.000 You know...

01:28:43.000 It's like...

01:28:44.000 If you're in Colombia, I think you're supposed to do coke, right? 1.00

01:28:47.000 I guess you're supposed to.

01:28:49.000 Drugs are a much bigger problem in American high schools than they were in Colombian high schools.

01:28:53.000 I can imagine.

01:28:54.000 It's probably a detriment to do coke in Colombia.

01:28:57.000 Yeah, my dad was in oil and gas. 1.00

01:28:58.000 They're angry about that Escobar shit. 0.99

01:28:59.000 I used to have a photo of Pablo Escobar by my old studio. 0.99

01:29:02.000 People got mad at me for having this like...

01:29:05.000 I just had a weird moment in history.

01:29:07.000 It is a weird moment in history.

01:29:08.000 I was there in 98 to 2002, so the Escobar days were long over, but it was dangerous.

01:29:15.000 You still couldn't drive between cities.

01:29:18.000 We had to have an armored car.

01:29:19.000 We didn't have an armored car initially.

01:29:21.000 It got shot up.

01:29:24.000 It was dangerous.

01:29:25.000 It was more of a guerrilla warfare problem in that time frame.

01:29:30.000 And now it's an amazing country.

01:29:31.000 It's an exceptional example of what a country can do and how U.S. partnerships can work.

01:29:40.000 It is weird how they kind of cleared up a lot of the problems that they had during the Escobar days.

01:29:46.000 And part of that is there is something about the Colombian culture with an adherence to a basic sense of Western justice and rule of law that they were eventually able to climb out of this.

01:29:57.000 I love Colombia.

01:29:59.000 I still go back for high school reunions.

01:30:00.000 Do you really?

01:30:01.000 Yeah.

01:30:02.000 I'm going back for my 20-year next year.

01:30:04.000 Why were you in Columbia for high school?

01:30:06.000 What did your parents do?

01:30:07.000 They selling coke?

01:30:08.000 Oil and gas, Joe.

01:30:10.000 Import-export business.

01:30:13.000 Don't ask any more questions.

01:30:16.000 Did you ever see that TV show, Trafficked?

01:30:21.000 No.

01:30:22.000 I don't.

01:30:22.000 I watch Narcos, religiously.

01:30:24.000 That's actually filmed in Columbia.

01:30:25.000 It was pretty well done.

01:30:29.000 Mariana Vanzella, right?

01:30:30.000 That's her name? 0.70

01:30:32.000 She was a guest on the podcast and she does this show called Trafficked.

01:30:37.000 And there's a lot of different aspects of the show, whether it's guns to Mexico.

01:30:42.000 One of the things she did was, it was Colombia where they were talking about cocaine, right?

01:30:46.000 Yeah.

01:30:47.000 Yeah.

01:30:47.000 And she actually went to the places where they grow the coca leaves and dry them out in the field.

01:30:54.000 And she sort of dispelled a lot of the myths.

01:30:56.000 Like, a lot of people think that the cartels are growing all this coca leaves.

01:30:59.000 It's not.

01:30:59.000 No, that's a supply chain just like anything else.

01:31:01.000 You've got poor farmers.

01:31:02.000 Poor farmers, yes.

01:31:04.000 So that's always a political policy problem in Colombia.

01:31:09.000 You can go destroy these fields, but then you have all these farmers who now don't have fields and then they join the guerrillas. 0.55

01:31:16.000 Right, exactly.

01:31:17.000 So then they join this Marxist guerrilla movement.

01:31:19.000 So yeah, all of these...

01:31:21.000 It's a long, complicated story.

01:31:22.000 Long, complicated supply and demand story.

01:31:25.000 Yeah.

01:31:25.000 Yeah, and that's what it is.

01:31:26.000 And this show really shows when you see the people that are actually the chemists that add the chemicals to the leaves and create the cocaine.

01:31:38.000 And then you have these same people that put the cocaine, the processed cocaine, in backpacks and then walk for 24 hours through the forest.

01:31:46.000 Yeah.

01:31:46.000 And get this stuff to whoever it is that brings it to America.

01:31:51.000 It's very strange and eye-opening.

01:31:54.000 And then it goes to the Mexican drug cartels, who are some of the most elite organizations on the planet, and they're right south of our border.

01:32:03.000 It's easy to get into a fight with ISIS and the Taliban.

01:32:06.000 That's actually easy.

01:32:07.000 I know sometimes you lose an eye, but it's generally easy.

01:32:11.000 Mexican drug cartels are serious.

01:32:13.000 I mean, these are well-trained, well-funded organizations that are very, very serious people.

01:32:19.000 And the reason they charge money to go across the border, well, because they can, because they have power, but also it's risk-free.

01:32:25.000 See, it's risky to transport drugs across a border or personnel or whoever you want to transport because you might get caught.

01:32:31.000 When you get caught, you're definitely going to jail.

01:32:33.000 Single adults, our system works okay. 0.66

01:32:35.000 We generally deport those back. 1.00

01:32:37.000 It's very difficult for us to deal with family units.

01:32:40.000 There's a long history for this.

01:32:43.000 I can explain it in detail if you'd like.

01:32:44.000 It basically started in 2014 because of a court settlement case that made it impossible for us to hold people and then adjudicate their claims and then deport them, at least on a timely basis.

01:32:54.000 So it initiated the catch and release process that we see today.

01:32:59.000 Trump basically fixed it, more or less, in the last year.

01:33:03.000 Biden immediately reversed his policies.

01:33:05.000 So, when you're charging about $300 a person and you have 100,000 people crossing every month, that's $30 million.

01:33:12.000 It's a really good business.

01:33:14.000 And it's risk-free and it's extremely easy.

01:33:17.000 So, to answer the initial question about how they got t-shirts, I mean...

01:33:22.000 That's a good guess.

01:33:24.000 A lot of people will be like, well, Soros organization's paid for it.

01:33:27.000 Maybe.

01:33:27.000 I actually don't know.

01:33:29.000 They do tend to advocate for open borders, so it's totally possible.

01:33:33.000 And they obviously have the ear of Joe Biden because he reversed the policies they want him to reverse.

01:33:39.000 Anything's possible.

01:33:40.000 I'm just saying the most likely scenario is these smugglers organize these people and they get them through.

01:33:49.000 Why do you think they advocate for open borders?

01:33:51.000 What's the motivation for that?

01:33:54.000 Yeah, because we're on opposite ends of this.

01:33:56.000 I mean, not you and I. I mean, me and the left.

01:33:59.000 I want to note something.

01:34:01.000 The outcome that I'd like for healthcare is the same that the left wants.

01:34:04.000 I want everybody to have access to good healthcare.

01:34:07.000 I don't think we want the same thing when it comes to the immigration border issue.

01:34:11.000 I think they want more illegal immigration and I want less. 0.99

01:34:13.000 Why do you think they want people to have the opportunity to live a better life?

01:34:17.000 That's the best rose-colored glasses.

01:34:19.000 Yeah, but I agree with that statement.

01:34:22.000 But then, okay, so how do we do that?

01:34:23.000 We have to have a process for people to apply to our country, and we have to process them in an orderly fashion.

01:34:30.000 Because we'd agree on that, right?

01:34:32.000 Right.

01:34:33.000 And so we have that.

01:34:34.000 I mean, it might not be perfect, might make some changes here and there, but we basically have to have a system.

01:34:38.000 Because if you surveyed the entire world at any given moment, and I've actually seen surveys on this, they estimate maybe about 40 million people would snap their fingers and arrive in the U.S. right now.

01:34:48.000 They'd just leave their home in that second.

01:34:51.000 40 million.

01:34:51.000 So you obviously can't deal with that at any given moment.

01:34:54.000 So you have to have a process.

01:34:56.000 So the left is constantly trying to deteriorate that process to the greatest extent so that more and more people come across, and then they call it compassion.

01:35:04.000 Well, there's nothing compassionate about it.

01:35:06.000 And here's why.

01:35:07.000 Because you're cutting in line in front of people who actually go through the process.

01:35:10.000 My stepmom's Peruvian.

01:35:12.000 Everybody around us knows somebody who's a legal immigrant who just got their citizenship and how proud they are when they get it.

01:35:19.000 There's lots of people who have valid asylum claims, too.

01:35:22.000 African countries especially.

01:35:23.000 What about the Chinese Uyghurs? 0.97

01:35:25.000 Speaking of the Georgia thing, you know what really ticks me off?

01:35:28.000 You got Coca-Cola, you got Apple creating statements against the Georgia voting law and how they're so mad about it and they're going to do something about it.

01:35:36.000 Meanwhile, they are happy to advocate against a bill in Congress that would help protect Uyghur Muslims in China.

01:35:44.000 Because it hurts their supply chains. 1.00

01:35:46.000 These people are so full of shit, it's hard to imagine. 1.00

01:35:49.000 It is hard to imagine. 1.00

01:35:50.000 But will you explain to people that don't understand what we're talking about, what's going on with the Uyghurs in China?

01:35:54.000 Because it's scary.

01:35:56.000 Very quickly.

01:35:58.000 There's a minority population in China that is subjugated by the Chinese government.

01:36:02.000 They're put in basically labor camps, forced labor, forced sterilization.

01:36:07.000 It's a serious humanitarian crisis.

01:36:09.000 It's been going on for a long time.

01:36:11.000 But it's widely ignored.

01:36:13.000 It's discussed, but there's no policy that's been enacted to sanction.

01:36:16.000 Yeah, and so this is a bill that would do it.

01:36:18.000 It's called to Protect the Chinese Uyghurs Act, and it basically just makes it more difficult to import products from that area.

01:36:25.000 Now, some companies have done that.

01:36:28.000 I'll give maybe Patagonia a little credit here.

01:36:30.000 Now, they're always woke virtue signaling.

01:36:32.000 It's kind of annoying.

01:36:33.000 Every product they have must come from petroleum, so spare me is what I say to them.

01:36:38.000 But, for instance, they, I believe, did change their supply chain to have less of it come from these regions in China.

01:36:48.000 So it can be done.

01:36:50.000 And this bill would do that.

01:36:52.000 Coca-Cola, Apple have both lobbied congressional members against this.

01:36:58.000 Against?

01:36:58.000 Against that bill.

01:37:00.000 Because it hurts their bottom line.

01:37:01.000 But they're happy to woke virtue signal about Georgia. 1.00

01:37:04.000 They're so full of crap. 0.98

01:37:06.000 Is there anything about the Georgia law that makes sense to you that they're arguing against? 1.00

01:37:11.000 No.

01:37:11.000 I mean, even the Washington Post fact-checked Biden's claims.

01:37:14.000 Wait, wait.

01:37:15.000 Well, it makes sense in what way?

01:37:17.000 Like, from the left side?

01:37:18.000 Anything that you say, I can see why this would more likely impact lower-income minority neighborhoods?

01:37:27.000 They've said this all the time.

01:37:29.000 All the time.

01:37:30.000 And it gets back to this notion of, can black people get voter ID? Can black people get IDs? 0.72

01:37:34.000 Right.

01:37:34.000 And if you believe the answer is no, then what you need to do is help them get IDs, because they need IDs for everything.

01:37:43.000 If you really believe this was a problem, and I know they don't, because they're disingenuous, but if they really did...

01:37:51.000 And the obvious answer would be to help them get IDs.

01:37:53.000 And I'm working on legislation that would give grants to states who implement voter ID laws and have it free to get an ID, a government-issued ID. It needs to be free.

01:38:03.000 It needs to be accessible because you need it for everything.

01:38:05.000 I know this is an argument and this is something that's being currently debated, but is there anybody on the left that supports this?

01:38:11.000 That is against this voter ID legislation that's gone through in Georgia that is like a logical, intelligent person that argues against it.

01:38:24.000 Like, so somebody I generally respect, but still is mad about it.

01:38:29.000 I can't think of it.

01:38:30.000 You know, people, I don't know, to answer your question.

01:38:33.000 Because it seems like we're arguing from one position, right?

01:38:37.000 Well, A, me, I'm just curious, and you understand it.

01:38:40.000 And so I'm saying, I'm reading this, and am I wrong?

01:38:44.000 I'm reading this, and it's just about ID. It seems like you should be able to get ID. And we're not talking about, like, immediately, like, you need it next week to vote for the President of the United States.

01:38:53.000 We're talking about some...

01:38:54.000 You should have it. 0.99

01:38:54.000 Some shit that's going down in 2024, right? 0.99

01:38:57.000 That's what we're talking about. 0.99

01:38:58.000 We're talking about like, you have now three years to get an ID in order to be able to vote for the next president.

01:39:04.000 That seems like it should be a lot.

01:39:05.000 I'm sure there's votes in between now and then, but that's the big one.

01:39:09.000 Look, they're against voter ID laws, period.

01:39:11.000 Why?

01:39:12.000 I don't understand why.

01:39:13.000 Well, the stated reason that they give is because they call it voter suppression and they say it's harder for minorities to get ID. Now, any logical thinking person immediately refutes that.

01:39:23.000 Four out of five Americans believe voter ID is a good idea.

01:39:26.000 Has there any debates been done on this?

01:39:28.000 It seems like I would like to see someone from the left who supports this idea that voter IDs are bad.

01:39:39.000 So every member of Democrat Congress, I believe, voted for H.R. 1. H.R. 1 is their premier election reform bill from the left.

01:39:48.000 They passed it out of the House last session, passed it out this session, questionable whether it would get through the Senate.

01:39:54.000 This is a lot to this bill, but one of them undermines voter ID laws in states.

01:39:59.000 So they don't like voter ID. But why?

01:40:02.000 I don't know.

01:40:04.000 Their stated reason is that, right?

01:40:06.000 It hurts minority voters. 0.99

01:40:07.000 And you and I look at that and you're like, that's ridiculous. 0.97

01:40:10.000 That doesn't make any sense. 0.98

01:40:11.000 And go talk to minorities then if you believe that.

01:40:14.000 They have IDs.

01:40:16.000 It's ridiculous to assume they don't have IDs.

01:40:18.000 It seems like it's way easier to get people IDs than it is to get them health care.

01:40:23.000 It is way easier.

01:40:26.000 And also, here's another fact.

01:40:30.000 Every time voter ID laws are implemented, or any election integrity laws are implemented in Republican states, minority vote share goes up.

01:40:38.000 It continues to go up.

01:40:40.000 There's no evidence of suppression.

01:40:42.000 There's literally zero.

01:40:43.000 So they invoke these Jim Crow era visuals for people because they want you to believe that we're racist and they want to pit you against each other.

01:40:51.000 They want the identity politics.

01:40:53.000 I mean, if you're asking me what I think they really think, this is what it is.

01:40:59.000 It's, you're a victim, you're being oppressed by somebody else, and your only way to fight back is to vote for me, because I'm going to give you all the stuff.

01:41:06.000 I'm going to make sure that you make it.

01:41:09.000 Now, it's always a lie.

01:41:10.000 I'm going to end your suffering.

01:41:11.000 It gets back to our original conversation.

01:41:13.000 I'm going to end your suffering.

01:41:14.000 This is populism.

01:41:15.000 I'm going to mirror your emotions.

01:41:17.000 If you're down, well, it's not because of something you did.

01:41:20.000 It's never because of something you did.

01:41:22.000 It's always because of something somebody else did, and they happen to be on the other side of the political spectrum.

01:41:27.000 If you vote for me, I'll fix it for you.

01:41:29.000 I'm going to give you things.

01:41:30.000 Free this, free that, free this.

01:41:32.000 And I'm going to keep you angry.

01:41:35.000 And you can never solve this.

01:41:37.000 That's the other dirty little secret.

01:41:39.000 You can never solve this set of problems that is delivered to people.

01:41:44.000 It's keeping people...

01:41:46.000 This is why I don't appreciate progressive politics.

01:41:51.000 Which is different from liberal politics, by the way.

01:41:53.000 I would distinguish between the two.

01:41:56.000 Yeah.

01:42:10.000 We're talking about the differences between the way the left looks at things and the right looks at things and the manipulation that goes on, getting people to vote for the left or vote for the right.

01:42:19.000 How do we bring everybody together?

01:42:20.000 Is there a way?

01:42:21.000 Is there a clear path where we can sort of...

01:42:24.000 I think liberals and conservatives can be brought together.

01:42:27.000 How?

01:42:27.000 I think progressives are out on their own.

01:42:29.000 Progressives are out on their own, but what about QAnon people? 1.00

01:42:31.000 They're out on their own, too.

01:42:33.000 Yeah, they're out on their own, too.

01:42:34.000 So the critical race theory people, all the super hardcore lefties, and then the QAnon. 0.63

01:42:41.000 There was an article in the Federals today that critical race theory is QAnon for the left.

01:42:46.000 It's really interesting.

01:42:47.000 Yeah, that's actually a great point.

01:42:48.000 It's a really interesting article.

01:42:49.000 I'd like to read that.

01:42:49.000 And it's also state-funded.

01:42:52.000 It's taxpayer-funded.

01:42:54.000 It's an interesting theory.

01:42:55.000 Well, it gets to my point about QAnon is about...

01:42:58.000 What is it fundamentally about?

01:42:59.000 It's about paranoia, right?

01:43:01.000 Paranoia about a conspiracy.

01:43:02.000 Remember I said this before, the right deals with paranoia, the left deals with power.

01:43:06.000 Well, the left deals with some paranoia as well.

01:43:07.000 But critical race theory is fundamentally about power hierarchies.

01:43:11.000 It's fundamentally what it's about.

01:43:12.000 And manipulation.

01:43:13.000 And about gaining that power.

01:43:14.000 And manipulation.

01:43:15.000 And playing on people's guilt.

01:43:18.000 Yeah.

01:43:19.000 Playing on the concept of you don't want to be classified as one of the most abhorrent things that someone could be classified as.

01:43:24.000 A racist.

01:43:25.000 So what's the best way to show that you're not?

01:43:28.000 Well, become compliant and follow our guidelines.

01:43:31.000 And then you have these grifters that cling on to that, that use this as their platform in order to elevate their own social status and elevate their own profile.

01:43:40.000 It gets real slippery.

01:43:42.000 I tell that to my own side all the time.

01:43:44.000 I'm like, you have to be careful of the grifters who make money off of your outrage.

01:43:48.000 And what's the first thing they do?

01:43:50.000 They tell you that I'm the traitor.

01:43:52.000 That I'm the rhino.

01:43:53.000 I'm like, I have to earn your vote, man.

01:43:55.000 I actually have to campaign to people.

01:43:57.000 You know what's really fascinating?

01:43:58.000 The grifters, the people that in their adult life have completely shifted their perspective on things.

01:44:04.000 And they realize, you know what, there's a lot more money on being left.

01:44:06.000 Or there's a lot more money on being right.

01:44:08.000 And then they just...

01:44:10.000 Completely side with one group.

01:44:12.000 You don't recognize any of the concepts that you thought were most important just four years ago.

01:44:18.000 Now you're 100% on this other side.

01:44:21.000 Who are you talking about?

01:44:22.000 I'm not talking about anybody in particular.

01:44:23.000 I'm talking about this ideology.

01:44:25.000 There's a thing that happens, whether you're left or you're right, where you're looking to be a part of this group, and you can sort of sell the other side out in order to gain access to this other group.

01:44:37.000 And people do it.

01:44:38.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:44:39.000 Like the Lincoln Project type.

01:44:40.000 Yeah.

01:44:41.000 That's a good example.

01:44:42.000 Explain that to people.

01:44:44.000 Explain the Lincoln Project.

01:44:45.000 I hate them.

01:44:46.000 It's fascinating.

01:44:47.000 So they started out as this, like, where are the ones who are, and like Bill Kristol's in this category as well, a bunch of other, like, supposed conservatives that were like, you know, we're trying to maintain the integrity of the conservative movement, and we think Donald Trump is terrible, so we're going to start a PAC against him.

01:45:06.000 That's how it started.

01:45:07.000 And it's like, okay, well, I can kind of see...

01:45:08.000 Fine.

01:45:09.000 I disagree with you, but at least you're making some kind of rationale.

01:45:13.000 But then they're going after, like Susan Collins, they're going after the most moderate Republicans possible.

01:45:17.000 And it becomes pretty clear that they have no intention of maintaining the integrity of conservatism even a little bit.

01:45:23.000 They've just found out that all their dollars come from liberal donors, and they need to keep perpetuating those mantras, those slogans, those things that...

01:45:33.000 Yeah, they just totally shift.

01:45:34.000 They totally sell out the principles they supposedly stood for, and frankly, they've fallen off pretty quickly.

01:45:41.000 What were the principles they initially proposed?

01:45:46.000 I don't follow them that closely, but they usually use platitudes like the integrity, the integrity of the office, just the sense of dignity, right?

01:45:57.000 They're careful not to adhere to certain policy positions because then you can call them on it, right?

01:46:03.000 It's always about dignity and integrity.

01:46:05.000 But there was also a fascinating aspect of it is that after the election was over, they wanted to attack the people that were supporters of Trump and then make lists.

01:46:12.000 They wanted to keep going.

01:46:13.000 They wanted to make lists.

01:46:14.000 It never stops.

01:46:15.000 Yeah, but it was also like, punish those people.

01:46:18.000 Yeah.

01:46:18.000 And this was something that came out, like, whenever someone says, I want to make a list of people, like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

01:46:24.000 It's a little like fascism.

01:46:25.000 Yeah, this is, you're getting dangerous here.

01:46:27.000 This is a weird thing you're doing.

01:46:29.000 The biggest lie of this century is that there's this, like, American right-wing fascism.

01:46:37.000 The only fascism I see is, well, I mean, those blatant examples is the Antifa crazies who deliberately engage in fascist tactics to implement their little form of utopia.

01:46:50.000 But also, like, what we're talking about in Georgia, all these woke corporations engaging in what they're engaging in, this is fascism.

01:46:56.000 This forced conformity.

01:46:58.000 And fascism, there's lots of kind of definitions.

01:47:02.000 Everybody says, well, it means Hitler.

01:47:05.000 What's the classic definition of fascism?

01:47:09.000 Let's put it on Wikipedia and I'll kind of extract from that because I was looking at it earlier today and we would talk about this.

01:47:14.000 But a lot of it has to do with forced compliance.

01:47:17.000 It's mostly compulsory.

01:47:19.000 Here it is.

01:47:20.000 Conformity.

01:47:21.000 Fascism is a form of far right.

01:47:23.000 I don't know why they call it that.

01:47:24.000 Because that's the big lie of the century.

01:47:26.000 Ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

01:47:37.000 And of the economy which came to prominence during the early 20th century Europe.

01:47:41.000 So we'll stick with this definition for a second.

01:47:44.000 Isn't there another definition?

01:47:45.000 Here's a better definition.

01:47:47.000 Well, there's whole books written about it.

01:47:49.000 Hold on.

01:47:50.000 A political philosophy movement or regime such as that of the fascists that exalts nation and often race above the individual and stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader Severe economic and social regimentation and forcible suppression of opposition.

01:48:10.000 Okay.

01:48:10.000 Forcible suppression of opposition is the way most people think of...

01:48:15.000 It's what most people think of when they think of fascism.

01:48:17.000 It's the forcible suppression of opposition.

01:48:19.000 That makes more sense.

01:48:20.000 And I think that's the correct way.

01:48:22.000 Because these definitions get very specific about...

01:48:25.000 Look at the second one.

01:48:25.000 They make it about race.

01:48:26.000 Yeah, but that was only that other one.

01:48:28.000 That other one, which is like, that seemed more cultural and seemed more current.

01:48:33.000 Yeah, the second one looks more like just a basic definition of authoritarianism to me.

01:48:38.000 A tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.

01:48:44.000 I tend to like the first definition here.

01:48:46.000 It says, because it says often race, but not necessarily.

01:48:48.000 And that's important because it's not necessarily race.

01:48:51.000 Right.

01:48:52.000 Mussolini's fashionism was not centered around race.

01:48:56.000 Hitler's was. 0.93

01:48:57.000 But severe economic and social regimentation and forcible suppression of opposition is exactly what we're talking about.

01:49:04.000 That sounds to me exactly like the extreme left right now.

01:49:06.000 But what gets tricky is when they're calling it right wing.

01:49:09.000 They do.

01:49:10.000 But that other definition is rude.

01:49:12.000 It's wrong.

01:49:13.000 I mean, if you're a person that is not very sophisticated— It's right-wing Europe.

01:49:16.000 It's right-wing Europe.

01:49:18.000 And that's the part they leave out.

01:49:19.000 Because there's a big difference between the right-wing of America and the right-wing of Europe.

01:49:23.000 The right-wing of Europe does tend to be hyper-nationalistic in an ethno-nationalistic way.

01:49:28.000 Yeah.

01:49:49.000 What you're seeing is in this sort of unholy alliance between CEOs, education institutions, Hollywood, late night comedy, it is a forced conformity.

01:50:01.000 Cancel culture is a tool in that forced conformity.

01:50:05.000 And so this is what we have to be awake to.

01:50:08.000 In my opinion, that's what's happening surrounding this sort of dispute around the Georgia voter laws.

01:50:14.000 Now, they're choosing that battleground because Georgia is a swing state, because it's politically expedient for them to choose that battleground.

01:50:22.000 And also, I think these CEOs are just really afraid of like a thousand Twitter comments.

01:50:26.000 Now, you and I see that and we're like, that doesn't mean anything.

01:50:28.000 I trend on Twitter once a week.

01:50:29.000 Well, who cares?

01:50:30.000 You know, it's not a big deal.

01:50:33.000 But for them, that's everything.

01:50:35.000 Now, that's me being kind to them.

01:50:37.000 I think in their boardrooms, they might.

01:50:39.000 When are they going to get past that?

01:50:40.000 I don't know.

01:50:41.000 I mean, I don't. 0.94

01:50:41.000 I mean, it's ridiculous. 0.94

01:50:44.000 You have 300 million people in this country. 0.59

01:50:46.000 If 200 people get angry at you, they're willing to change policy.

01:50:48.000 They do.

01:50:49.000 And, like, my goal is we're fighting back now.

01:50:53.000 I don't know how much you follow me on social media, but I was hitting this one really hard all week.

01:50:57.000 I'm like, we will not stand by and watch this anymore.

01:51:00.000 You're going to feel pain when you jump into the political arena from now on.

01:51:04.000 So that's my message to them.

01:51:06.000 How are you going to do that?

01:51:08.000 Well, just whether it's public pressure.

01:51:10.000 In Georgia, by the way, in Georgia, the last thing they did in the state legislature in this last week was remove the tax break that they'd given Delta Airlines.

01:51:19.000 So now it's getting serious.

01:51:21.000 Now it's getting serious.

01:51:22.000 And do I like legislative action for political speech?

01:51:25.000 No, I don't.

01:51:26.000 I don't like where this is going, but I hope that sends a message.

01:51:29.000 You need to stop this.

01:51:30.000 You need to stop taking such a deliberate side in the culture wars.

01:51:34.000 It's one thing to lobby for your company's, look, hey, this bill affects my company's bottom line.

01:51:39.000 I mean, look, you need to know this because now I have to lay off 100,000 people.

01:51:44.000 That's a perfectly fine.

01:51:45.000 I think that needs to happen.

01:51:48.000 But if you're going to come into the political arena the way they are in such an extravagant fashion, well, now you're in it.

01:51:55.000 Now you're in it, and we're noticed.

01:51:57.000 And you know what?

01:51:58.000 Two can play at this game.

01:51:59.000 Right, but that's the problem.

01:52:00.000 It's only one that's been playing at this game.

01:52:02.000 Only one has been, and that is not the case anymore.

01:52:04.000 That's where it gets dangerous, right?

01:52:06.000 And that's where you have really big problems.

01:52:10.000 One side has been manipulating this narrative and making people abhorrent and racist and...

01:52:17.000 And fascist and whatever it is if you don't agree with them.

01:52:20.000 And hoping and praying that people don't look into the actual bill or the actual legislation and look at the facts of whatever you're discussing.

01:52:30.000 Instead, just go by the narrative.

01:52:32.000 The narrative is this is racist or this is fascist or this is nationalistic, it's dangerous because of this or that.

01:52:41.000 And without people actually examining all the different parts of the bill or parts of the legislation, And discussing it.

01:52:48.000 And I hate that.

01:52:49.000 And both sides do that.

01:52:50.000 Now I think the left does it in a much more disingenuous and malevolent way.

01:52:55.000 Because, I mean, to call me a racist is a really big deal.

01:52:58.000 You think I'm racist because I'm for voter ID? That's a really big deal.

01:53:01.000 You think I'm for Jim Crow laws because I'm for voter ID? Well, explain what actual Jim Crow laws were.

01:53:07.000 That's where it gets really weird.

01:53:09.000 State-sanctioned segregation.

01:53:12.000 Yes.

01:53:12.000 State-sanctioned.

01:53:13.000 Like clear.

01:53:14.000 I mean, like keeping people, like literally, forcibly keeping people away from voting.

01:53:19.000 I mean, there's a really bad history there.

01:53:22.000 You can't ignore that.

01:53:23.000 But it doesn't exist now.

01:53:25.000 But you can't equate the two.

01:53:29.000 It's insane.

01:53:30.000 Because it's rude.

01:53:31.000 And to call somebody that is such an extravagant form of insult.

01:53:36.000 You know, so, and when we do, and this is why I do, I try to go a few layers deep when I argue for why I voted against a bill.

01:53:45.000 You know, I do these kind of here's the truth videos on my Instagram.

01:53:49.000 And they're on YouTube and everything.

01:53:50.000 But, you know, just why did I vote against it?

01:53:53.000 Because it's easy to say the talking point, like, well, it would reduce jobs, right?

01:53:56.000 It would reduce investment in jobs and, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

01:53:59.000 But people want to know why.

01:54:00.000 People generally want to know that next layer of reasoning.

01:54:03.000 It's easy to provide that for them.

01:54:06.000 And so I do.

01:54:07.000 And the Democrats tend not to, and they're very good at singling in and focusing in on that emotional, just that heart string, and they're tugging on it.

01:54:17.000 Because to call somebody a racist is an extreme statement.

01:54:20.000 Is there anyone on the left that's pushing back against this concept that the Georgia law, that this idea that's being passed is negative?

01:54:29.000 Is there anybody that's saying, hey, let's look at what this is?

01:54:33.000 I haven't seen it.

01:54:34.000 Nothing?

01:54:35.000 I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't exist.

01:54:36.000 I'm just saying I haven't seen it.

01:54:37.000 Because there's a compliance.

01:54:39.000 Yeah.

01:54:39.000 What would be their incentive?

01:54:42.000 Right.

01:54:42.000 I mean, look, the Democrats I like are all out of Congress now.

01:54:47.000 Not all of them.

01:54:48.000 I still have friends there.

01:54:48.000 Tulsi Gabbard?

01:54:49.000 Tulsi.

01:54:49.000 Yeah.

01:54:50.000 The incentive would be to appeal to the center, to people that are rational but...

01:54:55.000 They look at some of the things—that was a problem with Donald Trump, is that he's so polarizing that people who maybe would lean right don't want to vote for him because he stands for a lot of things that they don't like.

01:55:10.000 And then when you add— Style.

01:55:12.000 They didn't like the style.

01:55:13.000 Not just that.

01:55:14.000 The Capitol Hill insurgents.

01:55:16.000 Well, I mean, but that was before the vote.

01:55:17.000 I mean, after the vote.

01:55:19.000 Right, but it epitomizes— What their opposition is. 0.94

01:55:22.000 Is that he's saying, go there and have a strong presence, and then you get these QAnon fuckheads, and they burst through and take pictures with their feet up on Nancy Pelosi's office. 1.00

01:55:34.000 I was really pissed off about that. 0.96

01:55:35.000 I mean, anybody who follows me knows how strongly I was pissed off about it.

01:55:43.000 Yeah, well, you should be.

01:55:45.000 Everybody should be.

01:55:46.000 The style argument is, yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right.

01:55:49.000 I'm not going to run from that statement.

01:55:51.000 Look, 40,000 people in my district voted for me and not for President Trump.

01:55:56.000 Yeah.

01:55:56.000 40,000.

01:55:57.000 That's a lot.

01:55:58.000 That's a lot.

01:55:58.000 Well, you're a reasonable guy.

01:56:00.000 13, 14 percent.

01:56:01.000 That's what a lot of people on the right are looking for.

01:56:03.000 They're looking for a reasonable person who has their shared beliefs, but who's not a rude person, and also a person that they can identify with or support, because that person, they represent hard work and conservative values,

01:56:23.000 but also like a unity of the United States, not...

01:56:26.000 My sense is that people generally, if I'm going to categorize them, people don't like to be categorized or labeled, and you're one of them.

01:56:32.000 And most people are like that.

01:56:35.000 But just for the sense of political science that I kind of daily, I engage in daily, I tend to, right?

01:56:42.000 And it kind of gets me in trouble sometimes.

01:56:43.000 People are like, well, I don't believe exactly that.

01:56:45.000 And I'm like, I'm not saying you do.

01:56:46.000 You don't have to.

01:56:47.000 I'm speaking in the aggregate.

01:56:48.000 I realize there's a spectrum.

01:56:50.000 But my sense from these past elections is that America is a center-right country.

01:56:55.000 Because Republicans won pretty handedly in the House.

01:56:58.000 And I think we're on track to do pretty well in 2022, especially with the Democrats proposing the things they're proposing.

01:57:04.000 Well, what do you think is the problem?

01:57:06.000 The reason why they don't win across the board is that the candidates themselves?

01:57:09.000 Candidates mean a lot.

01:57:10.000 We had a lot of good candidates this time around.

01:57:13.000 And look, people generally agreed with Trump on the issues.

01:57:19.000 And you can look at the polling on this before the election.

01:57:21.000 He would win on the issues all the time.

01:57:23.000 And then he would lose on characteristics.

01:57:26.000 Do you think if the pandemic didn't take place, he would have won?

01:57:28.000 Yeah, probably.

01:57:29.000 Because the economy would probably be booming.

01:57:31.000 Yeah, it'd be really hard to beat them without the pandemic.

01:57:35.000 The pandemic was not a good thing for them. 0.99

01:57:38.000 Who the fuck is going to survive that? 0.99

01:57:39.000 Because when you're a politician, as the country goes, so goes your polling or the way people feel about you. 0.99

01:57:48.000 Yeah.

01:57:49.000 No, it got in his head.

01:57:52.000 People punish you unfairly or unfairly for any given externality that might happen.

01:58:01.000 He was, I think, unfairly treated.

01:58:04.000 I was a big defender of Trump's policies during the pandemic.

01:58:07.000 Now, that's different from his press conferences.

01:58:09.000 I think one of the reasons he lost popularity was because of those press conferences that eventually stopped.

01:58:15.000 But it didn't work for people.

01:58:17.000 People didn't like him.

01:58:18.000 Now, I see past it, because I'm not an emotional guy.

01:58:20.000 I've never seen Trump in this emotional light.

01:58:24.000 I just don't.

01:58:25.000 So I look at, well, what is this administration doing, and what's he really saying?

01:58:28.000 That's what I look at, and I think it was entirely defensible, and I defended it vehemently.

01:58:34.000 I'm very much against lockdowns.

01:58:36.000 I'm very much against mandates.

01:58:37.000 I think the federal government did exactly what it should have done, which is invest a lot of money into helping or at least creating a customer base for vaccines, create a PPE distribution network, help people get free healthcare for COVID,

01:58:53.000 did exactly what it should have done.

01:58:54.000 That's about all you can do.

01:58:56.000 There were so many people that were like, Donald Trump's responsible for 500,000 people being dead.

01:59:01.000 That's such an insane statement.

01:59:03.000 It's so insane but so prevalent.

01:59:05.000 And look at every single COVID graph of a trend of infections or even death rates, however you want to splice it.

01:59:15.000 And then compare it to lockdown states versus non-lockdown states.

01:59:18.000 Compare it to lockdown countries versus non-lockdown countries.

01:59:20.000 Everybody ends up in the same place.

01:59:22.000 This is a thing that we have to deal with.

01:59:25.000 Or better.

01:59:25.000 That's what's really uncomfortable for people when you look at Florida.

01:59:29.000 Now, is there an issue going on right now in Florida where cases are on the rise because of the Brazilian variant?

01:59:35.000 Is that true?

01:59:36.000 I'm not following it exactly.

01:59:38.000 I don't want to get fact-checked on it.

01:59:40.000 You know who I saw that from today?

01:59:41.000 I do know Texas continues to decline rapidly.

01:59:44.000 Yeah, it does. 0.99

01:59:45.000 But we haven't got those Florida fucks coming over here, giving us their cooties. 1.00

01:59:49.000 Well, they're having too much fun. 0.99

01:59:50.000 I mean, it's spring, it's Miami.

01:59:52.000 Why would you leave?

01:59:53.000 Listen, man, the difference between California and Texas from someone who's lived in both is so palpable and just the feeling of being here.

02:00:03.000 I'm going to defend Southern California a little bit. 0.73

02:00:05.000 They're living off of fear porn. 0.88

02:00:06.000 Yeah.

02:00:07.000 You lived in LA. I lived in San Diego.

02:00:09.000 It's a little different because it's a military place.

02:00:11.000 It's a big difference.

02:00:11.000 Big difference.

02:00:12.000 Huge difference.

02:00:13.000 Yeah.

02:00:13.000 No, I agree.

02:00:14.000 It's a better place.

02:00:15.000 It's a better place psychologically.

02:00:16.000 I want to see Orange County and below just become its own state.

02:00:19.000 It might be.

02:00:21.000 It might be in the future.

02:00:22.000 I've got to defend.

02:00:23.000 I mean, I've spent 10 years there.

02:00:25.000 I've got, you know, I love it, right?

02:00:28.000 Now, I think it's getting a little worse.

02:00:31.000 You know, I do follow it closely, but...

02:00:33.000 Wasn't there a new crazy mayor of San Diego that's arresting people for going outside without a mask on or something? 0.93

02:00:38.000 Yeah, they're being a little crazy. 0.90

02:00:40.000 I might have made that up.

02:00:41.000 But for the most part, though, look at the housing situation in San Diego versus San Francisco.

02:00:50.000 And I know because I bought a condo in San Diego in 2008, and I've never been able to raise rent on it.

02:00:57.000 But in San Francisco, that would, of course, not be the case.

02:00:59.000 You'd be doubling rent by this point.

02:01:01.000 So why is that?

02:01:02.000 Well, it's a basic supply-demand issue.

02:01:04.000 They allow buildings to be built in downtown San Diego, whereas they don't in San Francisco.

02:01:09.000 Is that really what it is? 0.98

02:01:10.000 But isn't it supply and demand because of the tech community and they have so much fucking money? 0.79

02:01:14.000 Yeah, well, they also have the not-in-my-backyard community, which, again, is fair, I guess.

02:01:18.000 I mean, if you don't want things built there and you advocate against it, fine.

02:01:22.000 But how can they say not-in-my-backyard when they allow people to defecate on the streets?

02:01:26.000 Good question.

02:01:27.000 I'm not defending San Francisco. 0.99

02:01:29.000 That is literally the lead place on the planet if you want to shit on the street. 0.99

02:01:34.000 Right. 0.99

02:01:34.000 That's the place to go. 0.99

02:01:35.000 I'm a big fan of shitting. 1.00

02:01:37.000 In public on the street. 0.99

02:01:39.000 Well, San Francisco is your spot.

02:01:40.000 There's an app for it.

02:01:42.000 It's weird, too, because, and you're seeing this in Austin a little bit also, which is this culture around being a vagrant.

02:01:49.000 Because in San Francisco, we would have training trips there.

02:01:54.000 I know the area pretty well over the last decade or so.

02:01:58.000 And those training trips forced me to walk around the city a lot, all parts of the city.

02:02:03.000 And what I noticed was these are not necessarily people, a lot of them are, maybe have mental illness or drug addiction, but a lot of them are young, able-bodied people engaging in what looks to me like a vagabond culture.

02:02:18.000 And I saw it when I was driving here to see you in Austin.

02:02:21.000 Where I'm like, oh, who are these young guys waving to people in tents under the underpass?

02:02:29.000 It's really interesting.

02:02:30.000 They don't look like vagrants in the traditional sense. 0.67

02:02:34.000 They don't look like people with mental illness.

02:02:35.000 They don't look like people who have truly fallen on hard times.

02:02:37.000 They look like they like living.

02:02:39.000 This is weird.

02:02:40.000 They're young, able-bodied people, so what is going on here?

02:02:43.000 Well, people imitate their atmosphere.

02:02:45.000 And if people are allowed to live in an environment where you don't have to figure out a way out of your problem, where you can just sort of slide into some sort of predetermined Yeah.

02:02:56.000 And if the government allows it, then why wouldn't you?

02:02:59.000 Well, if the city allows you to camp out, and the idea is like, listen, this is extenuating circumstances.

02:03:05.000 This is a very unusual time.

02:03:07.000 A lot of people are out of work.

02:03:08.000 A lot of businesses have shut down.

02:03:10.000 A lot of people can't find any sort of reasonable way to make a living.

02:03:13.000 We're going to allow you to camp out for a little while, and then we're going to sort this through.

02:03:16.000 But this has been going on for 10 years.

02:03:18.000 I don't know that.

02:03:19.000 I've only been here for seven months.

02:03:20.000 No, no, I'm not Austin.

02:03:21.000 I mean in San Francisco.

02:03:22.000 Right, but in Austin.

02:03:23.000 My time in San Francisco is a long time.

02:03:24.000 In my seven months here, I've seen it grow.

02:03:26.000 Yeah.

02:03:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:03:28.000 That's uncomfortable because I see San Francisco, and I've been to San Francisco, and I see LA. I see Venice, which is fucking chaos. 0.97

02:03:35.000 If you go down to the beach in Venice, you just can't believe it. 0.99

02:03:38.000 That's crazy.

02:03:39.000 People that don't know what Los Angeles is really like today...

02:03:42.000 Because I've been to Venice, but I don't remember it like we were describing.

02:03:45.000 You've got to go there now.

02:03:46.000 You've got to go to downtown LA now.

02:03:48.000 It's madness.

02:03:49.000 And you look at it, you're like, the only thing that comes into mind is, I've got to get out of here.

02:03:54.000 And that's what a lot of businesses are doing, and that's what a lot of individuals are doing, and a lot of wealthy people.

02:03:59.000 They're going, like, you're not going to fix this any time in my life.

02:04:02.000 Like, there's too many people.

02:04:03.000 There's tens of thousands of people in tents on the street.

02:04:08.000 That's real.

02:04:08.000 That's a real number.

02:04:09.000 The exodus is real, too.

02:04:11.000 Yeah.

02:04:12.000 That existed in San Diego to an extent.

02:04:15.000 Much, much less.

02:04:16.000 It's much less.

02:04:17.000 It's embodied in the eastern part of downtown.

02:04:21.000 I have friends that would say, I don't want to live in San Diego because it's too conservative.

02:04:25.000 I'm like, that's why it's so clean.

02:04:26.000 Jesus.

02:04:27.000 And it's like not conservative.

02:04:29.000 But it is.

02:04:29.000 It is conservative relatively compared to Los Angeles.

02:04:33.000 And they were like, oh, they're rough with pot.

02:04:36.000 I'm like, come on, man.

02:04:37.000 Really?

02:04:38.000 Just hide it.

02:04:38.000 No, they're not.

02:04:40.000 Smoke in your fucking apartment. 1.00

02:04:41.000 Just don't smoke on the street. 1.00

02:04:43.000 But L.A. That's the kind of people I'm rolling with.

02:04:47.000 But when they would go down to San Diego, they would worry about being busted with pot.

02:04:51.000 Like that San Diego was more Republican.

02:04:54.000 It was more conservative.

02:04:56.000 But you go there...

02:04:57.000 There's more to life than being busted with pot, too, isn't there?

02:05:00.000 Sometimes.

02:05:00.000 Depends on if you're a pot junkie.

02:05:03.000 But it's...

02:05:04.000 I'm...

02:05:05.000 I straddle both worlds in this way.

02:05:08.000 I'm a disciplined person, but I also like pot.

02:05:11.000 I like a lot of things that these lefties like, but I like a lot of things that these righties like.

02:05:16.000 I like guns.

02:05:17.000 I like hunting.

02:05:18.000 There's a lot of things.

02:05:18.000 I eat meat.

02:05:19.000 Personal responsibility.

02:05:20.000 Personal responsibility.

02:05:22.000 Discipline.

02:05:22.000 It's a core tenet of my existence is discipline.

02:05:26.000 And I understand the struggle of being disciplined.

02:05:29.000 I understand where these people are coming from. 0.98

02:05:31.000 But I just think we have to find some fucking middle ground. 0.97

02:05:35.000 That's what concerns me about our culture right now, our country, our community. 0.98

02:05:41.000 And I think a lot of this is accentuated by social media and these echo chambers that people engage in.

02:05:48.000 People are more and more inclined to dig their heels into the sand instead of to look at what the other side is saying and go, is there any validity to what they're saying?

02:05:57.000 I'm looking at this Georgia thing where everybody's opposing it, and I'm like, is there any validity to this? 0.98

02:06:02.000 It's like maybe the fucking... 0.96

02:06:06.000 If there is some sort of a compromise, maybe that compromise is like, let's help people get IDs. 0.99

02:06:11.000 Instead of saying that this is all racist and terrible, how much time do we have until the next vote in Georgia?

02:06:18.000 Can't we have some community outreach program where we help people get IDs?

02:06:23.000 Isn't that better?

02:06:25.000 I have a lot of trouble understanding the left's intentions when it comes to the election stuff.

02:06:30.000 I know we've kind of beaten that dead horse.

02:06:32.000 Yeah, but it's spooky.

02:06:33.000 It's spooky to me because I'm like, why is this the one thing you don't want regulated?

02:06:37.000 Because every other aspect of life you want ultra-regulated, why is this the one thing where you want no rules on it?

02:06:43.000 It seems strange to me and it makes me feel like you want to cheat.

02:06:47.000 That's how it makes conservatives feel and that's how you end up with the chaos that we've had.

02:06:51.000 Well, I think the narrative is, like, on the left, it's already been established.

02:06:56.000 And that narrative is, you've got to make voting more accessible to people.

02:07:02.000 Yeah.

02:07:03.000 And whether that is not requiring identification, whether it's mail-in ballots, whatever it is, make voting more accessible to people.

02:07:10.000 That's what they say, but in practice, it's like, who doesn't have access?

02:07:13.000 Right.

02:07:14.000 Who?

02:07:15.000 Nobody.

02:07:16.000 What percentage of people don't have driver's licenses?

02:07:19.000 Nobody.

02:07:19.000 And if you don't, then that's a real problem.

02:07:22.000 You have a DUI. And you need to get something, or a government ID, because the question isn't necessarily a driver's license, but a government ID. Right.

02:07:29.000 Because nobody says, hey, it only can be a driver's license.

02:07:32.000 Nobody says that.

02:07:33.000 It's always government ID. Right.

02:07:34.000 So if that's the problem, then by all means, let's fix that.

02:07:38.000 Well, there's a suspicion.

02:07:40.000 People have suspicion about the government.

02:07:42.000 There's a lot of people that don't want to get the vaccine because they're worried about the government.

02:07:45.000 That exists in minority communities and in more poor communities.

02:07:51.000 What are your thoughts about this vaccine passport concept?

02:07:55.000 Because a lot of people find that deeply problematic, giving the government this ability to let people travel or not travel based on whether or not you've been vaccinated.

02:08:06.000 The left cannot let go of COVID. They can't let go of it.

02:08:10.000 They want it around.

02:08:11.000 They want to keep spending money based on this sort of moral stance that we need to keep supporting communities because of COVID and that we need to keep doing things and taking excessive action because of COVID. They cannot let it go.

02:08:25.000 Why do you think that is?

02:08:25.000 Because they love collectivism and they love centralized control of the economy and society.

02:08:31.000 I recall a definition we were looking at earlier.

02:08:34.000 Yeah, sounds like fascism.

02:08:37.000 And again, I always distinguish between liberals and progressives on this one.

02:08:41.000 I think there should be an alliance between real liberals and conservatives in the future, and that's how we're going to solve problems.

02:08:49.000 I talk to Brett Weinstein all the time.

02:08:52.000 Weinstein. 1.00

02:08:52.000 If you talk to him all the time, you know his fucking last name. 1.00

02:08:57.000 Harvey Weinstein. 1.00

02:08:58.000 Brett Weinstein.

02:08:59.000 All right.

02:09:00.000 Anyway, I think...

02:09:01.000 Anyway, he's like, I'm a hardcore liberal.

02:09:04.000 He's like, I'm a radical liberal.

02:09:05.000 And we just agree on so many things.

02:09:08.000 Because he's a classical liberal.

02:09:09.000 And if you're going to describe yourself as a liberal, you mean in a classical sense in most cases.

02:09:13.000 And you want nice things.

02:09:15.000 You have the sense of compassion, and you want nice things from people.

02:09:17.000 Maybe it's health care.

02:09:18.000 Maybe it's to take care of people when they've fallen on hard times.

02:09:21.000 These are good things.

02:09:22.000 These are not bad things.

02:09:23.000 These are not things that conservatives even disagree with.

02:09:25.000 Now we generally have a different philosophy on how to find solutions for those problems.

02:09:30.000 That's the center, I guess.

02:09:32.000 If we're always grasping for the center, which a lot of people are, and I always kind of question, what do you mean by that?

02:09:38.000 But maybe that's the right way to look at it.

02:09:41.000 Liberals are good at having enough empathy and compassion to see what might need to be changed.

02:09:48.000 Conservatives are good at finding the solutions for that change that maintains the good things that got us here in the first place.

02:09:57.000 You can't burn down all the foundations of a society just because you're not at utopia yet.

02:10:02.000 Remember, utopia is defined in Greek as being nowhere.

02:10:06.000 And you'll always burn things down to grasp for that.

02:10:09.000 You can't get to that point.

02:10:11.000 So I think that's the right alliance.

02:10:15.000 I kind of forgot what the initial question was, though.

02:10:20.000 You're talking about the difference between a classical liberal.

02:10:25.000 When you say classical liberal, I always think you're trying to pretend you're liberal when you're really a conservative.

02:10:30.000 Because there's a lot of people that use that term, classical liberal, and it's like, what do you believe?

02:10:35.000 Like, it's like, things get sneaky.

02:10:37.000 I think there's a real problem with definitions.

02:10:40.000 There's a real problem with, like...

02:10:41.000 You gotta focus on the definitions.

02:10:42.000 What Chris Rock was saying, though, about, like, gangs.

02:10:45.000 Like, you have, like, I'm a conservative, and I believe...

02:10:48.000 You have these predetermined patterns of behavior that people subscribe to, without any independent thinking, without any objective thinking.

02:10:55.000 It's a real problem with human beings.

02:10:57.000 I think ultimately what everybody wants is what's good for the community.

02:11:03.000 They want for themselves selfishly, but they also want for their friends and neighbors and loved ones and family members.

02:11:09.000 They want what's good for everybody, but they can't agree in what is good for everybody. 0.98

02:11:13.000 And then when people don't have, they look at people who do have, and they go, well, how the fuck do they have? 0.95

02:11:18.000 And then some grifter will come along, and they have because they've taken from you. 0.96

02:11:22.000 And therein lies the problem. 0.97

02:11:25.000 Because if you're not educated, or if you haven't deeply researched the ideas, especially with an objective perspective, you can sort of believe a lot of these grifters, a lot of these people that come along, and they say crazy shit like, tax the rich, or eat the rich, and like, oh, Jesus Christ. 0.99

02:11:41.000 I'll eat you. 0.99

02:11:41.000 How did they get rich? 0.99

02:11:43.000 Did they get rich from stealing or did they get rich from discipline and hard work and decades, decades in the trenches?

02:11:51.000 You're dealing with two very different things.

02:11:54.000 Well, a classically liberal philosophy would ask that question because there's a sense of justice involved with any question.

02:12:03.000 And that sense of justice is, did somebody infringe on your rights?

02:12:08.000 And what are rights?

02:12:09.000 Well, life, liberty, property, generally speaking, in the classical sense.

02:12:13.000 Now, you can go further back in time before classic Enlightenment principles came about.

02:12:19.000 In the, you know, 18th century.

02:12:22.000 But then you're dealing with feudalism.

02:12:25.000 Then you're dealing with tribalism.

02:12:26.000 Then you're dealing with what I think a lot on the left want to bring us back to.

02:12:29.000 The sort of subjugating people into different identities and hierarchies based on those identities.

02:12:35.000 That's a really bad place to be.

02:12:37.000 They want to bring us back to that moment in history.

02:12:39.000 What the Enlightenment period did was say, look, you can keep dividing people up all day long.

02:12:45.000 Eventually you just get to an individual.

02:12:47.000 So maybe we should look at how individuals act and then have a really rational structure about how we define incentives and how we define justice.

02:12:57.000 And justice should be defined as person A infringing on the rights of person B. Or person A making it in a hierarchy for unworthy reasons, something other than a meritocracy.

02:13:10.000 That would be an injustice.

02:13:11.000 Now, I know you said that the left is fascinated by COVID or obsessed with COVID, but we didn't really cover it.

02:13:18.000 Oh, sorry.

02:13:19.000 That was the original question.

02:13:20.000 I got really philosophical.

02:13:22.000 No, it's okay.

02:13:23.000 That was the original question.

02:13:24.000 Well, it's obviously a bad idea.

02:13:26.000 It's not...

02:13:28.000 It's obviously a bad idea.

02:13:30.000 A lot of the well-intentioned people on the left, they're well-intentioned, but they do tend to live like they're still in grad school.

02:13:38.000 I know because I went to Harvard in a policy school.

02:13:41.000 I went to the Harvard Kennedy School after the military.

02:13:44.000 There's an infatuation with being able to design the perfect policy on paper.

02:13:50.000 Now, that's the first step, of course.

02:13:52.000 Now, the second step is how do you implement it?

02:13:54.000 And also, again, whose rights are you infringing on when you implement these things?

02:13:58.000 These are the questions they don't ask.

02:13:59.000 This is what a conservative always asks.

02:14:01.000 Again, when I talk about how to solve problems through a framework of limiting principles, this is what I mean.

02:14:07.000 You have to ask these questions.

02:14:09.000 And so what is the practicality of this?

02:14:12.000 And it's not practical at all, frankly, depending on what they mean by a COVID passport also.

02:14:18.000 Maybe we should define that first.

02:14:21.000 But it's one thing to ask people, like, hey, I don't know, wear a green bracelet if you already got the vaccine and you've already had COVID or both, either or.

02:14:30.000 But it's not that.

02:14:31.000 It's like limiting your ability to travel.

02:14:33.000 Which is an excessive infringement on your rights.

02:14:36.000 And also, is it really even scientific, given the trends that we're seeing?

02:14:41.000 I mean, no matter how you approach this question, it seems like a really bad idea.

02:14:48.000 When you say, is it even scientific, what do you mean by that?

02:14:51.000 Meaning we've been traveling for a year without vaccines.

02:14:54.000 Well, in a limited aspect.

02:14:57.000 Some people have that.

02:14:58.000 I travel a lot.

02:14:58.000 Limited capacity.

02:14:59.000 Yeah.

02:15:00.000 I mean, it's somewhat limited.

02:15:02.000 Well, no.

02:15:03.000 If you look at the airline trends, it's severely limited.

02:15:06.000 Fairly.

02:15:07.000 Yeah.

02:15:07.000 I spent a lot of time at airports over the last year.

02:15:09.000 Well, you do.

02:15:10.000 But I know how crowded they are every time I'm there, and yeah, there was definitely a time period where there were ghost towns, but that hasn't been the case for many, many, many months.

02:15:19.000 But it's still not even 50% of what it was a year ago, or a year and a half ago, I should say.

02:15:23.000 I don't know the exact numbers.

02:15:25.000 I don't know what it is either.

02:15:26.000 I just know that we've been living with it, just like you have to live with a pandemic, because you don't have a choice.

02:15:31.000 Here's a big difference.

02:15:33.000 Maybe everything boils down to this difference.

02:15:36.000 The right believes, look, you don't have a choice.

02:15:37.000 You've got to make the best of it.

02:15:39.000 You've got to keep living.

02:15:39.000 You've got to mitigate risk where you can, but you can't mitigate risk at the expense of everything else.

02:15:46.000 And the left says, no, no, no.

02:15:48.000 You have to mitigate risk at the expense of everything else.

02:15:51.000 No cost is too high because it just saves one life.

02:15:54.000 This is the fundamental difference.

02:15:56.000 The problem they don't take into account is it costs a lot of lives.

02:15:59.000 It costs a lot of lives through suicide, depression, drug addiction.

02:16:03.000 The school's closing has been excessively bad, and there's no science to indicate that this is what our kids need.

02:16:11.000 I have a friend who lives in Nevada and their community was ravaged by suicide with young kids and they're devastated by it and they're trying to figure out like what there's a massive escalation of suicides in high school age kids because of the pandemic and the lockdown.

02:16:28.000 You have a higher chance of dying from the flu if you're under 20 years old.

02:16:31.000 Why doesn't Dr. Fauci ever say that?

02:16:34.000 Why does he go, hey, you could die if you're 14. You could.

02:16:37.000 Yes, you could.

02:16:38.000 But you have to contextualize the information you're giving.

02:16:41.000 This is why America has lost trust in their public health officials.

02:16:44.000 Because they never contextualize anything.

02:16:46.000 They never give you the probability of risk.

02:16:48.000 Which is crazy.

02:16:49.000 Fauci, in the beginning of the pandemic, when he said you don't need to wear a mask, and then changed it.

02:16:55.000 But he said the reason why he said that is because he wanted the first responders and all these different healthcare professionals.

02:17:01.000 He should have said that at the beginning.

02:17:02.000 Well...

02:17:03.000 It was a real weird thing because once you lie about that publicly because you're doing it for the greater good of all the people, then they're going to go, well, what are you saying now?

02:17:12.000 And why are you saying that now?

02:17:13.000 And then when Rand Paul confronted him and said, why are you wearing two masks when you've been vaccinated?

02:17:18.000 Isn't this theater?

02:17:19.000 And he's right!

02:17:21.000 He is right.

02:17:21.000 And you could see the panic in it.

02:17:23.000 And also, saying to people...

02:17:27.000 Give them an incentive to get vaccinated.

02:17:29.000 And don't make it COVID passports be the incentive.

02:17:33.000 Right. 0.99

02:17:33.000 Say you don't have to wear fucking two masks if you've been vaccinated. 0.99

02:17:37.000 Like, you have immunity. 0.99

02:17:38.000 Why are you wearing two masks?

02:17:39.000 It's in this theater.

02:17:41.000 Like, Rand Paul's done some really interesting things.

02:17:43.000 And he's a doctor, by the way.

02:17:44.000 He is a doctor.

02:17:45.000 Well, he's an ophthalmologist, but he's not a specialist in infectious diseases.

02:17:49.000 But he knows enough about it.

02:17:51.000 And the way he's saying it is not illogical.

02:17:54.000 He's not making any errors.

02:17:55.000 It's not illogical at all.

02:17:56.000 No.

02:17:56.000 And he's also a guy who's got COVID, as are you.

02:18:00.000 It's a real confusing thing because you're dealing with something that, for the most part, most people, other than people who are obese or with pre-existing morbidities, I think the average of people who died from COVID,

02:18:17.000 it's 2.6.

02:18:18.000 It might even be higher now.

02:18:19.000 2.6 comorbidities, which is a lot.

02:18:23.000 And also the average age is, I believe it's over 78. I want to say that's about correct. 1.00

02:18:28.000 For people who die, you know, we're not discounting people that have long-term issues with it.

02:18:33.000 But we're also, I mean, this is something me, as a person who has literally dedicated most of my life to fitness and health and wellness, it's infuriating to me that you don't take into account that a healthy body can deal with this.

02:18:49.000 And a healthy body can...

02:18:51.000 Your immune system works.

02:18:53.000 It's a real thing.

02:18:54.000 And this idea that there's nothing you can do other than put three masks on and hide, that's not true.

02:19:01.000 Your immune system varies depending upon your rest, your vitamin intake, water intake, exercise.

02:19:09.000 Vitamin D is a major part of this, and it was just never explained by our highest health officials.

02:19:13.000 Nor was obesity.

02:19:14.000 78% of the people that are hospitalized.

02:19:17.000 Well, you can't fix obesity in a month's time.

02:19:18.000 You can in a year's time.

02:19:21.000 We're a year in.

02:19:22.000 My friend Laura, Laura Bites, she went through this Beats.

02:19:26.000 She gets mad and I say Bites. 0.98

02:19:28.000 I fuck it up all the time. 0.99

02:19:29.000 See, I'm not the only one who screws up the last name. 0.98

02:19:31.000 Well, it's spelled wrong.

02:19:32.000 It's B-E-I. You have no moral high ground.

02:19:34.000 It's beats, but it should be... 0.99

02:19:36.000 Anyway, she's fucking hilarious. 1.00

02:19:37.000 And she was on here last week, and she realized at the height of the pandemic, at the beginning of it, that most of the people that were dying or that were hospitalized were obese. 0.97

02:19:47.000 So she lost 40 pounds. 1.00

02:19:48.000 And she put herself through this rigorous exercise routine, restricted her calories, and she feels so much better now.

02:19:55.000 And I'm like, you should be a spokesperson.

02:19:58.000 You should be the person expressing to people.

02:20:00.000 Personal responsibility.

02:20:01.000 She lived most of her life.

02:20:03.000 She's 36 years old.

02:20:04.000 She lived Most of her life like this.

02:20:06.000 And now, all of a sudden, she realizes, like, oh my god, I could die!

02:20:09.000 Not to mention all the other health benefits associated with this.

02:20:12.000 You know, COVID's only the third leading cause of death.

02:20:14.000 The first is still heart disease, which is primarily, you know, often caused by obesity, just being unhealthy, then cancer, then COVID. And cancer also, a lot of it is caused by inflammation, obesity, poor diet choices.

02:20:29.000 Everything causes cancer, but this whiskey causes cancer. 0.50

02:20:32.000 No, this whiskey's good for you.

02:20:34.000 That's probably true.

02:20:36.000 But when you talk about healthcare, how do you solve the healthcare problem?

02:20:40.000 People just need to be healthier.

02:20:41.000 We have one of the most obese countries in the world.

02:20:44.000 That's a fact.

02:20:45.000 And it causes a lot of our healthcare problems.

02:20:47.000 It's one of the reasons that our healthcare is so expensive.

02:20:51.000 And our insurance is so expensive.

02:20:53.000 Because when you're paying that premium, you do have to accommodate for a lot of people who use healthcare way, way more than you do.

02:21:00.000 Right.

02:21:00.000 Well, that's why people have looked at the morbidity cases in terms of percentages with America versus other parts of the world.

02:21:08.000 And the other parts of the world where people are generally more active and thinner, you have better results.

02:21:15.000 Even places where people are poor, like Egypt and Nigeria, they have a much lower...

02:21:20.000 African countries have done really well with COVID. Asian countries.

02:21:23.000 Yes!

02:21:24.000 Now, there's a few reasons, theories at least, is why that might be the case.

02:21:28.000 In Asia, they're dealing with SARS and coronaviruses all the time.

02:21:31.000 Their immunities are probably well built up against it.

02:21:34.000 I've seen studies in Japan, because Japan wasn't hit hard, but I've seen studies in Japan where well over half of the people tested antibodies.

02:21:42.000 So they've clearly had it, but they never even noticed.

02:21:45.000 And also, they're not fat.

02:21:49.000 That's a big part of it, man.

02:21:50.000 It's a big part of it.

02:21:51.000 When you're carrying around all that excess tissue, you're compromising your systems.

02:21:55.000 All of your systems, your cardiovascular system, your immune system, everything is compromised by this massive amount of excess body mass and inflammation.

02:22:05.000 You're dealing with a lot of different issues that compromise your health.

02:22:08.000 Yeah, but it's mean and compassionate if you tell people to work out.

02:22:12.000 Even in schools, I mean, you look at videos from the 1950s of gym classes, and it's pretty hardcore.

02:22:20.000 You know, I remember gym class, and I don't know that it was hardcore, but at least we were active, and there wasn't a lot of excuses.

02:22:26.000 There's a lot of meanness to it, too. 0.97

02:22:28.000 Like, dodgeball was fucking mean. 0.98

02:22:29.000 Oh, did you have a bad story about dodgeball? 0.99

02:22:32.000 No, it was fine.

02:22:32.000 Sounds like you do.

02:22:33.000 Nope.

02:22:33.000 Sounds like you were picked on.

02:22:35.000 I was one of the mean people.

02:22:36.000 You were one of the mean people. 1.00

02:22:39.000 For me, give me a fucking ball and allow me to throw it full blast at people. 1.00

02:22:43.000 I enjoyed the shit out of that. 0.99

02:22:45.000 But I was also on the wrestling team. 1.00

02:22:48.000 You're a bully. 0.61

02:22:49.000 I wasn't a bully. 1.00

02:22:50.000 Sounds like you were a bully.

02:22:51.000 If you gave me an opportunity to be mean, I would be mean, though.

02:22:53.000 But the problem is you tell people that it's not their fault.

02:22:58.000 And that doesn't empower them.

02:23:00.000 What empowers people is tell them, here's a way where you can do better.

02:23:04.000 Here's a way where you can improve your health.

02:23:06.000 Here's a way we can improve your fitness.

02:23:08.000 Here's a way we can improve the outcome. 1.00

02:23:11.000 You know, I know so many people that they eat shit. 1.00

02:23:14.000 They eat garbage food, and they're fucking sloppy, and they don't exercise, but they can't wait for the vaccine. 1.00

02:23:20.000 They're like, my God, man. 1.00

02:23:22.000 My God, you have an opportunity.

02:23:25.000 You have an opportunity to do something. 0.99

02:23:27.000 You've had a fucking full year where you're hiding, and you've still been eating Cheetos and getting fatter. 0.99

02:23:33.000 You know, the average American... 1.00

02:23:34.000 There was a study done on people...

02:23:37.000 I think it's 40% of the people have gained an average of 30 pounds.

02:23:41.000 Yeah, I don't get that.

02:23:42.000 I've heard the COVID weight.

02:23:44.000 Yeah.

02:23:44.000 It's like the freshman 15. That's not okay.

02:23:47.000 There's no excuse for it.

02:23:48.000 Well, the freshman 15 makes more sense.

02:23:50.000 You're drinking.

02:23:50.000 Yeah, fair enough.

02:23:51.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:23:52.000 You're away.

02:23:53.000 Your parents aren't around.

02:23:54.000 You're eating pizza.

02:23:54.000 I don't know, but you're like 18. How do you gain...

02:23:57.000 Anyway. 1.00

02:23:57.000 Because you're fucking studying all day. 1.00

02:23:59.000 Are you? 1.00

02:24:00.000 That makes...

02:24:00.000 I don't know.

02:24:01.000 I barely went to college.

02:24:02.000 It makes more sense to me than the COVID thing, because there's a real physical consequence.

02:24:07.000 That's BS. And if you pay attention to the news, everyone knew.

02:24:10.000 They closed my gym, and my gym, you know, this is early days, back when we were, like, all in it together.

02:24:16.000 Right.

02:24:16.000 Back when it was a little bit novel.

02:24:17.000 The first week?

02:24:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:24:19.000 First two weeks to slow the spread. 1.00

02:24:20.000 Yeah, fuck you. 1.00

02:24:23.000 Yeah, what happened then, man? 1.00

02:24:25.000 And my gym rented us equipment.

02:24:29.000 So you use it.

02:24:30.000 And so you use it.

02:24:31.000 You figure it out.

02:24:32.000 What do you mean your gym rented you equipment?

02:24:34.000 I could go take equipment from the gym because they were closed for a few weeks.

02:24:37.000 So they were like, hey, if you want to check out equipment.

02:24:40.000 What kind of equipment?

02:24:42.000 Well, I got whatever you wanted.

02:24:45.000 I mean, I got some kettlebells and...

02:24:50.000 No, I got two 65-pound dumbbells and I got a barbell with 45-pound bumper weights so that I could use them.

02:25:00.000 I would just run...

02:25:02.000 I live in an apartment in Houston, so I would just go up the parking garage with stairs. 1.00

02:25:08.000 I would just do shit. 0.99

02:25:08.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:25:09.000 I would just be creative and work out with it.

02:25:12.000 I was in pretty good shape, frankly, but maybe better shape, because that was when you were really locked down.

02:25:18.000 I mean, that was like, everything's on Zoom.

02:25:20.000 It really wasn't doing anything.

02:25:21.000 That didn't last all that long.

02:25:23.000 In Texas, it didn't last all that long.

02:25:25.000 It didn't last all that long in Texas.

02:25:26.000 In LA, it's basically exactly the same as it was a year ago.

02:25:29.000 It can't be that bad.

02:25:29.000 It's not much different.

02:25:31.000 It's 25% restaurant capacity.

02:25:32.000 As of a few weeks ago, they opened up restaurants.

02:25:35.000 That's insane.

02:25:36.000 25% only?

02:25:37.000 Yeah.

02:25:38.000 Isn't it?

02:25:38.000 That's insane.

02:25:38.000 I think that's true.

02:25:39.000 What is the restaurant capacity...

02:25:41.000 Of Los Angeles.

02:25:43.000 For inside dining, I think.

02:25:44.000 I think inside dining is like 25%.

02:25:46.000 It's so unacceptable. 0.97

02:25:47.000 It's so ridiculous. 0.99

02:25:47.000 And I remember this heartbreaking video, and it was in Los Angeles, and it was this woman. 0.99

02:25:51.000 That woman, yeah. 1.00

02:25:51.000 She had finally gotten... 1.00

02:25:53.000 She had spent all this money.

02:25:54.000 She had created this outdoor dining area, and then they closed down outdoor dining, either. 0.99

02:26:00.000 Also.

02:26:01.000 This is not science-based.

02:26:02.000 This is what is really infuriated.

02:26:04.000 More and more to that.

02:26:05.000 Across the parking lot.

02:26:07.000 Yeah, I know.

02:26:07.000 I'm...

02:26:08.000 I know.

02:26:08.000 That was why she was so mad.

02:26:10.000 Because some Hollywood studio was able to set up their picnic tables and film whatever the hell they were filming right there.

02:26:16.000 And that was her baking point.

02:26:18.000 Because the unions had supported the politicians.

02:26:20.000 And that's exactly what it is.

02:26:21.000 And so right across the parking lot from her, she was watching her business deteriorate.

02:26:26.000 Why?

02:26:26.000 Right across the parking lot, there was massive amounts of people who were dining outside.

02:26:30.000 And it's horrific.

02:26:32.000 And that lady was crying. 0.99

02:26:33.000 It's so awful.

02:26:34.000 I mean, Gavin Newsom should be recalled.

02:26:36.000 I hope that movement works out for whoever's, you know, whoever's pushing it.

02:26:41.000 Well, he certainly made all the mistakes that you can make to get recalled.

02:26:45.000 The dining outside is a big one.

02:26:47.000 The fact, I mean, there's a lot.

02:26:48.000 There's a lot.

02:26:49.000 Look, you compare COVID numbers from California.

02:26:51.000 Dining inside, excuse me.

02:26:53.000 Literally anything.

02:26:54.000 You compare COVID numbers from California and Texas, and California and Texas are always really good two states to compare, because one is completely controlled by Republicans at the state level, and one is completely controlled by Democrats, maybe at every level.

02:27:07.000 Okay?

02:27:08.000 And they're both similar in size.

02:27:10.000 We're both border states.

02:27:12.000 We're both major, major states.

02:27:14.000 Okay.

02:27:15.000 And so, comparison of policies is always a nice thing to see.

02:27:18.000 That's why we're always talking about Texas and California.

02:27:21.000 When you look at COVID trends, they're basically the same.

02:27:23.000 Are they comparative in terms of population density, though?

02:27:27.000 Yeah.

02:27:27.000 What do you mean by density?

02:27:29.000 Like we have major cities, sure. 0.99

02:27:31.000 But Los Angeles has like fucking 40 million people in it. 0.99

02:27:34.000 No, it doesn't have 40 million people. 1.00

02:27:35.000 Well, they don't count the Mexicans. 0.53

02:27:37.000 They don't count all the illegal people.

02:27:39.000 They have no idea how many are there.

02:27:40.000 But I mean, there's at least 20 million people in Los Angeles.

02:27:44.000 Can we agree to that?

02:27:45.000 No.

02:27:46.000 No?

02:27:47.000 Isn't LA 20 million people?

02:27:48.000 No.

02:27:49.000 What is it?

02:27:49.000 There's no way that's possible.

02:27:51.000 Okay, what's the population of LA? That's pretty much Los Angeles County.

02:27:55.000 I mean, it's really high.

02:27:57.000 What do you mean a county?

02:27:58.000 It's all connected. 0.99

02:27:59.000 There's no fucking getting away. 0.99

02:28:00.000 Oh, it's a big sprawl. 0.99

02:28:01.000 Anyway, but Texas and California are not that different.

02:28:04.000 There's a big difference in terms of population density.

02:28:06.000 If you try to draw...

02:28:08.000 You're saying density.

02:28:10.000 Manhattan has the highest density, for instance.

02:28:13.000 Yeah, but nobody drives.

02:28:14.000 If you try to drive from LA, if you try to leave LA, if you're in Santa Monica and you want to drive to Disneyland, it'll take you a year.

02:28:21.000 It takes forever.

02:28:23.000 It doesn't take a year.

02:28:24.000 Of course it doesn't take a year.

02:28:25.000 I'm joking.

02:28:26.000 But it takes hours and hours.

02:28:28.000 How much do you love Disneyland?

02:28:29.000 That's a lie.

02:28:31.000 That's 2019. That's two years ago.

02:28:33.000 So now it's 20 million?

02:28:35.000 It's more.

02:28:35.000 Yeah.

02:28:36.000 I don't know.

02:28:37.000 Can you look up Harris County?

02:28:42.000 Houston?

02:28:43.000 How many is in Los Angeles County?

02:28:45.000 That's the county I hit.

02:28:46.000 10 million?

02:28:47.000 That's a joke.

02:28:48.000 40 million in the state, right?

02:28:51.000 It's about 40 million.

02:28:52.000 I think Texas is smaller.

02:28:54.000 The point I'm trying to make is they're comparable.

02:28:58.000 And so it's good to compare policies and just what's going on.

02:29:01.000 And for COVID in particular, trends were basically the same.

02:29:05.000 Los Angeles is not weird.

02:29:06.000 It's a sprawl, just like Houston's a sprawl.

02:29:09.000 I think Los Angeles and Houston are very comparable places.

02:29:13.000 We both have downtowns.

02:29:14.000 They're both major, major sprawls.

02:29:16.000 How many people live in Houston?

02:29:18.000 Can we look it up?

02:29:19.000 I would say like five.

02:29:20.000 Just under five.

02:29:22.000 In Houston, though, but what about Harris County?

02:29:26.000 Oh, see, you're doing what you don't like me doing.

02:29:28.000 It's 4.7 in Harris County.

02:29:30.000 I'm attaching all these other people, and you're like, no, no, no, don't do that, but you're trying to do that to Houston.

02:29:35.000 I'm just saying they're comparable.

02:29:36.000 These are comparable urban sprawls.

02:29:39.000 Houston's only 2.3.

02:29:41.000 It's a big difference, bro. 1.00

02:29:42.000 8 million fucking people. 0.99

02:29:44.000 Houston's the fourth largest thing. 1.00

02:29:45.000 It goes to New York, LA, Chicago.

02:29:47.000 Think about how many people died in the Holocaust.

02:29:49.000 It's less than the difference between Houston and LA. It's a lot of people.

02:29:53.000 That's an interesting way to look at it.

02:29:55.000 I'm just talking about numbers, bro.

02:29:57.000 Just talking about numbers.

02:29:59.000 Does LA win or something?

02:30:01.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:30:02.000 We win for sucking more. 1.00

02:30:05.000 LA wins for having more fucking humans. 1.00

02:30:08.000 But the problem with LA is it's always been liberal. 1.00

02:30:11.000 So it's like there's no competition.

02:30:14.000 It's like everyone in the Hollywood business, in the movie industry, in the television industry, you are punished if you have any other ideology other than progressive and liberal.

02:30:24.000 Oh, yeah.

02:30:24.000 You're punished.

02:30:25.000 By the way, Houston is very liberal.

02:30:26.000 It affects your bottom line.

02:30:27.000 Houston is very, very blue.

02:30:28.000 It is.

02:30:29.000 All major cities are very, very blue.

02:30:30.000 Houston's very diverse.

02:30:31.000 The difference is there's a balance in Houston between the state government being very red and the liberal city government.

02:30:40.000 Dallas is like less blue, but not much.

02:30:43.000 It's pretty blue.

02:30:43.000 Nah, pretty blue.

02:30:44.000 Is it the same as Houston?

02:30:46.000 Yeah.

02:30:46.000 Pretty much?

02:30:47.000 Yeah, yeah, Dallas.

02:30:48.000 Austin is completely blue.

02:30:49.000 Austin's weird blue.

02:30:51.000 Austin's like California.

02:30:52.000 Just like a different type.

02:30:53.000 Again, I differentiate between practical liberals and progressives. 0.99

02:30:58.000 So what the fuck keeps Texas red? 0.99

02:31:02.000 Farmers? 1.00

02:31:03.000 Ranchers and shit? 1.00

02:31:04.000 Well, first of all, it's not like everybody's blue inside Harris County, of course. 1.00

02:31:09.000 I mean...

02:31:11.000 You know, I win, and I'm only in Harris County.

02:31:13.000 My district is an urban, suburban district, and I win by 13, 14 points.

02:31:18.000 Well, that's what I think we need, is more people like you.

02:31:21.000 Yeah, I agree, Joe.

02:31:22.000 More people who are rational Republicans.

02:31:25.000 You're not mean-spirited ideologists. 1.00

02:31:27.000 You're just a fucking rational person. 0.99

02:31:29.000 It makes a lot of sense. 1.00

02:31:30.000 I think we need people who listen to what the left want.

02:31:33.000 Like, again, like, they want some kind of change, and you gotta, like, you gotta listen to it, because a lot of times it's...

02:31:40.000 You know, it's expressed in a very emotional way, and maybe it's healthcare, and healthcare is just a great example, because it's like, yes, maybe we should get people access to better healthcare.

02:31:50.000 Why not?

02:31:52.000 People who are falling on a hard time should be helped, but if they take advantage of the system, should they also be helped?

02:31:57.000 No.

02:31:57.000 Of course not.

02:31:58.000 They should be punished. 0.99

02:31:59.000 Grifters should be punished. 0.97

02:32:00.000 People want a better life, so should they be able to process themselves through our immigration system? 0.99

02:32:05.000 Yes.

02:32:07.000 But should they be able to just claim that they have some kind of asylum and then cut in front of the line in front of everybody else who has waited years?

02:32:12.000 No!

02:32:14.000 Right, but if you're dealing with exceedingly poor people that are from another country that are trying to do better for their life to get across the country, it's very difficult to get asylum, right?

02:32:23.000 Isn't it?

02:32:24.000 Yes.

02:32:25.000 However, here's the problem.

02:32:27.000 So it should be difficult, yes.

02:32:29.000 And only about 10% end up getting adjudicated for asylum.

02:32:35.000 Only about 10%.

02:32:36.000 Because for you to claim to asylum, you have to prove that you've been persecuted politically or for your gender, for your religion, or something.

02:32:46.000 Right.

02:32:46.000 Okay, there's an actual legal standard.

02:32:49.000 And in the end, only about, especially from these Northern Triangle countries, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, only about 10 to 15% end up making that cut.

02:32:58.000 Now, if you're coming from Ethiopia, I bet that percentage goes a little higher. 1.00

02:33:03.000 Okay, but what if you're a person that lives in Mexico?

02:33:05.000 Or Syria.

02:33:06.000 If you're a person that lives in Mexico, and maybe you're not persecuted, but you want to do better for your family, and you go, you know, United States, there's a lot more possibilities, there's a lot more opportunity.

02:33:16.000 And so what they end up doing is they go and they say, well, I'm claiming asylum.

02:33:20.000 I'm running away from violence and political persecution.

02:33:22.000 They know what to say.

02:33:23.000 They have notes, even.

02:33:24.000 Right, but outside of asylum, what are their other options?

02:33:27.000 The normal immigration process.

02:33:58.000 Who are being persecuted, truly have a right to come into our country, and we do believe that.

02:34:02.000 It's within our laws.

02:34:04.000 Then you have to make it fair for everybody, and you can't clog up the system for people who are clearly taking advantage of it.

02:34:10.000 Look, two years ago when this crisis was happening, because it bubbles up every once in a while when they think they can get away with it, and I went, and because I speak Spanish, I was able to talk to a whole line of migrants that was there right at the Texas border.

02:34:23.000 I talked to some families from Guatemala and asked them why they're there.

02:34:30.000 And they give their line, like, well, we're fleeing poverty. 0.98

02:34:34.000 I mean, it sucks. 1.00

02:34:34.000 Basically, it really sucks down there. 1.00

02:34:36.000 And I believe them. 0.94

02:34:37.000 They're obviously telling the truth.

02:34:39.000 Then I get to the end of the line of this Cuban man, and there's no way that I do have training in telling somebody who's lying and being able to interrogate somebody. 1.00

02:34:48.000 This guy was not lying.

02:34:50.000 This guy was a trained engineer in Cuba, been jailed multiple times, managed to escape, escaped to Central America and eventually made it up this way, claiming asylum for that reason.

02:35:01.000 That's a pretty good story.

02:35:03.000 And it was pretty clear as he broke down in tears that he was probably telling the truth.

02:35:08.000 It's pretty obvious that people who have talking points written down when they're turning themselves into Border Patrol about what to say because the first step to this process is...

02:35:22.000 It's proving that you have some kind of claim to asylum.

02:35:25.000 It's not adjudicated yet.

02:35:26.000 You still have to go to a judge, but you have some kind of claim.

02:35:29.000 Now, the way the Trump administration got a hold of this problem was to say, okay, fine, you have a claim?

02:35:34.000 Great.

02:35:35.000 Let's have a portion of you at least remain in Mexico, in Mexico City.

02:35:39.000 A portion?

02:35:40.000 Yeah.

02:35:40.000 Part of your family?

02:35:41.000 No, no, no.

02:35:42.000 It ends up being maybe 5% to 10% of people who are claiming asylum.

02:35:48.000 We're going to have some of you wait down there, and you'll get your hearing down there.

02:35:53.000 We'll make agreements, asylum cooperation agreements, with Northern Triangle countries like Guatemala and Honduras and El Salvador, and we'll say, look, you can actually apply down there or apply in a neighboring country.

02:36:04.000 I'm confused.

02:36:05.000 Why would you have a percentage of them stay in Mexico City?

02:36:08.000 Because it's a disincentive, because now you're creating a disincentive.

02:36:12.000 You're creating a disincentive because there's a good chance that we're going to...

02:36:15.000 There's at least a chance that when you cross that border, you're going to be sent back immediately.

02:36:21.000 And you can claim your asylum there.

02:36:23.000 Once people got word of this, they were like, well, I don't really want to make the risk.

02:36:27.000 I don't want to pay the drug cartels that PISO that I had to pay.

02:36:31.000 I don't want to make the journey.

02:36:32.000 How do you say PISO, but you say the other word so well?

02:36:35.000 PISO is just pronounced PISO. Isn't it PISO? No, no, no, no.

02:36:40.000 I'm not saying peso.

02:36:40.000 I'm saying piso.

02:36:41.000 What are you saying?

02:36:42.000 That's a different word.

02:36:43.000 What's the word?

02:36:44.000 What does piso mean?

02:36:45.000 It's just like a headcount thing.

02:36:46.000 It's just a thing.

02:36:47.000 Do you know what that means?

02:36:48.000 It's just what they call it.

02:36:49.000 Piso mojado means wet floor.

02:36:51.000 Well, piso means floor, yes, but that's not...

02:36:53.000 That's just what Border Patrol told me they call it.

02:36:57.000 It's like a slang term.

02:36:59.000 I thought you were saying peso wrong.

02:37:01.000 Peso is a monetary currency.

02:37:04.000 Peso is a floor, but piso in this case is a slang term.

02:37:09.000 I understand.

02:37:10.000 Slang term.

02:37:11.000 Yeah, as I understand it.

02:37:12.000 Unless they told it to me wrong, but that's what they've called it.

02:37:16.000 So they disincentivized people by making it more difficult. 0.87

02:37:21.000 So you think in doing that, they eliminated a lot of the fuckery? 0.84

02:37:26.000 Yes, they did.

02:37:27.000 And COVID restrictions also helped us basically push people back.

02:37:33.000 So you think that most of the people that are progressive that look at this immigration issue and are more liberal and they're more open to this idea of open borders, the reason why they're doing it is because they're kind of compassionate, but they haven't looked at the actual statistics of what this means and what happens and why and what's the incentive?

02:37:51.000 Yeah.

02:37:52.000 Is that what you believe?

02:37:53.000 That would be a kind way.

02:37:54.000 A kind way.

02:37:55.000 It depends on the person.

02:37:56.000 What's the unkind way?

02:37:57.000 You want more legal immigration because you want them to eventually become citizens and vote for you.

02:38:01.000 Right.

02:38:02.000 So I think at the higher ends of the democratic patriarchy...

02:38:07.000 That's what they want.

02:38:08.000 Because every policy you propose to me increases illegal immigration.

02:38:12.000 What's the worst case scenario if that happens?

02:38:15.000 Let's say that more and more people embrace this idea of open borders and illegal immigration and allowing those people to vote.

02:38:22.000 And then once they get in there, they're going to vote for the same people that allowed them to get into the country.

02:38:26.000 What's the worst case scenario?

02:38:28.000 I'm not sure what the worst case scenario is.

02:38:30.000 I mean, pick every hyper-progressive policy you don't like, and I suppose that would be the worst case scenario.

02:38:36.000 But in some countries, that's not the case, right?

02:38:38.000 Like Cuba. 0.64

02:38:38.000 The people that emigrate from Cuba tend to be very conservative. 0.64

02:38:42.000 That's one of the weird things about Miami.

02:38:44.000 Right?

02:38:44.000 Miami is...

02:38:45.000 Venezuelans as well, because they're dealing with the social unrest there.

02:38:49.000 Anybody who even links themselves to socialism, they're like against.

02:38:52.000 So, you know, again, I don't know.

02:38:55.000 I just know...

02:38:56.000 That's not...

02:38:56.000 I'm not...

02:38:57.000 Hyper-concerned with the political ramifications of it, because in the end, if they end up becoming citizens, fine, I'll just convince them to vote for me.

02:39:08.000 But the question is about justice.

02:39:10.000 What is fair?

02:39:11.000 What is moral?

02:39:12.000 And do we give people a free pass because they had a geographical advantage to take advantage of our system, claim a sign when they had none, end up here?

02:39:21.000 Because here's the problem.

02:39:23.000 I don't know that I really finished this thought.

02:39:24.000 But what Trump did was basically disincentivize people coming across by saying, hey, adjudicate your claims down there.

02:39:29.000 What Biden says is, hey, let's reinstitute catch and release.

02:39:32.000 So 90% of the people coming across now in family units, by the way, that's an important statistic.

02:39:38.000 I'm not going to get fact checked on this.

02:39:39.000 Single adults still get sent back.

02:39:41.000 There's still a lot of deportations happening.

02:39:44.000 But if you're in a family unit, if you have children with you, that's your ticket.

02:39:48.000 And that's because of a Flores settlement agreement that happened in 2014. It's a court case, and I won't get into that, but that's why it happens.

02:39:55.000 So you get catch, you get release, and they say, hey, come back for your court date.

02:39:59.000 Now, who really shows up for their court date?

02:40:01.000 Not many.

02:40:02.000 The left claims a lot due.

02:40:04.000 They're lying.

02:40:04.000 They're relying on certain studies that took place only in New York City, very specific population.

02:40:09.000 A much better indication of this would be a pilot study in 2019, I believe, that DHS did, that showed that out of about 7,000, I think 7 or 9,000 migrant families, 90% didn't show back up for their court cases, because why would they?

02:40:24.000 What incentive do you have to show back up?

02:40:26.000 Even if you show back up for that first one, why are you going to show up for the second and the third?

02:40:30.000 And definitely not going to adhere to your deportation order.

02:40:34.000 When we do a deportation order in America, we don't, like, lock them up and put them on a plane.

02:40:39.000 That's not what we do.

02:40:40.000 We say, hey, take 30 days, please leave.

02:40:43.000 What do they do if they contain someone, they find out they're COVID positive?

02:40:49.000 Well, not what they do with an American. 0.53

02:40:50.000 This is infuriating to a lot of people because if you're an American and you go overseas, you still need a negative test to come back into the United States.

02:40:57.000 Guess what?

02:40:58.000 You absolutely do not need that to be an illegal immigrant. 1.00

02:41:01.000 So what happens if you cross the border?

02:41:03.000 Do they test people?

02:41:05.000 No, the Border Patrol is not testing people.

02:41:07.000 When people are getting tested and you're hearing about these numbers, like dozens and dozens of people tested positive, that's because NGOs are probably testing them.

02:41:19.000 What's an NGO? Like a non-government organization, like a church or some other immigrant activist organization that's helping these people.

02:41:27.000 They're generally the ones testing them.

02:41:29.000 So a charity organization.

02:41:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:41:30.000 Some organization like that.

02:41:32.000 It's not necessarily a government organization.

02:41:34.000 What do they do when they test someone positive?

02:41:36.000 Like, what if someone makes it across the border illegally, they get detained, and they turned out to be positive for COVID? Well, they're already past that point.

02:41:44.000 What do they do with them?

02:41:45.000 They don't turn them back.

02:41:47.000 So they allow them to infect everyone else in the containment facility?

02:41:51.000 Well, again, Border Patrol and our processing facilities, they don't have the capacity to test everybody there, as I understand it.

02:41:58.000 Currently.

02:41:59.000 Yeah.

02:41:59.000 So it's highly likely that what you're saying is absolutely happening.

02:42:02.000 And then if we do end up testing a huge group of people later on, that's generally what happens.

02:42:06.000 And you see that a lot of them are test positive.

02:42:08.000 Did you see the video that Ted Cruz posted where he was at the border and this woman was telling him not to film things?

02:42:14.000 And you look, these people were just sandwiched in there like sardines.

02:42:17.000 Yep.

02:42:17.000 What did you think about that?

02:42:19.000 I think it's proof that the Biden administration is now dealing with, which is when you have an incentive for thousands and thousands of people to cross the border every day, it's really difficult to deal with.

02:42:32.000 But isn't it also that they were politicizing this idea that Trump was detaining people and separating families and then putting people in these cages?

02:42:39.000 But Biden's doing the same thing.

02:42:41.000 He's doing the exact same thing.

02:42:42.000 But the issue is that it's hard, right?

02:42:44.000 Yeah.

02:42:45.000 And that's the issue.

02:42:45.000 And that's what conservatives are Instead of making it a partisan issue.

02:42:51.000 Right, right.

02:42:51.000 I don't like repeating the same slogans that the left was repeating two years ago.

02:42:56.000 Kids in cages! 0.75

02:42:56.000 No. 0.75

02:42:57.000 Hey guys, here's the lesson to be learned here.

02:43:01.000 We have a rule of law.

02:43:02.000 We have a process.

02:43:03.000 You have to adhere to the process.

02:43:04.000 If you don't, Then you're doing a disservice to the American people and their sense of sovereignty.

02:43:10.000 Not only that, but you're doing a disservice to legal immigrants who are trying to do it the right way. 1.00

02:43:14.000 This is unfair on all levels.

02:43:15.000 You remember when Obama was talking about this?

02:43:17.000 Obama was talking about this when he was running for president.

02:43:19.000 They used to be very pro-border security.

02:43:21.000 It's a crazy video when you watch them discuss it.

02:43:23.000 You can make them debate each other on their clips.

02:43:25.000 Yeah, it's like Obama sounds like a Republican when he was talking about the rule of law.

02:43:30.000 I can find Chuck Schumer doing the same thing.

02:43:33.000 Yeah, it's sad that these things become tools in order to get their side elected.

02:43:39.000 And I think it is.

02:43:40.000 Again, there's certain issues.

02:43:41.000 People are like, well, why can't you find the middle?

02:43:43.000 And I'm like, sometimes you can if the objective is the same.

02:43:46.000 If the objective is the same, we can work together.

02:43:50.000 If the objective is not the same, we can't work together.

02:43:52.000 Now, here's where the hippie, idealistic aspect of my own personality comes into play.

02:43:57.000 Because I go, well, what would disincentivize people to try to illegally immigrate?

02:44:01.000 Well, the best strategy, I think, would be to make their country a place where you wouldn't want to leave.

02:44:07.000 Well, there's an agreement on that.

02:44:09.000 That would be the best.

02:44:10.000 Like, is there a way where we could make these places where these people flee from?

02:44:15.000 Yeah.

02:44:16.000 How would you do that?

02:44:17.000 Well, I think our foreign policy needs to focus on our own backyard.

02:44:21.000 I think we need to look at the Western Hemisphere as a place to invest in and to focus on policy.

02:44:27.000 For sure, for sure.

02:44:27.000 But we have an issue with illegal immigration.

02:44:30.000 The way to stop that would be to make these places, if you find the primary places where people illegally immigrate from, what would be the best way to enhance those places to make that less likely?

02:44:41.000 To give people opportunity in those places.

02:44:45.000 So what people...

02:44:46.000 Is that outside? 1.00

02:44:47.000 Am I just thinking like an idiot? 1.00

02:44:49.000 No, we passed bipartisan legislation in the last session along these lines. 1.00

02:44:53.000 Let's invest in this.

02:44:54.000 This is a worthy investment.

02:44:56.000 Plan Colombia, which is the U.S.-led plan that got Colombia to where it's at right now, It's an extremely amazing success story.

02:45:06.000 And it's now, again, you've got a Colombian people and a government that you can work with.

02:45:12.000 And so that's a requirement anytime you do this.

02:45:16.000 And it's rare, unfortunately.

02:45:18.000 Do you have the same thing with Northern Triangle countries?

02:45:22.000 Yeah, you kind of do.

02:45:22.000 I mean, look, you had...

02:45:23.000 What was it?

02:45:24.000 Which president was on the Tucker Carlson show recently?

02:45:29.000 Are there Honduras or Guatemala?

02:45:30.000 No, it was El Salvador.

02:45:31.000 It was El Salvador president.

02:45:33.000 And this is obviously a guy we can work with who wants to work with us.

02:45:37.000 The Mexican government, you know, they're going down an interesting track right now, which I don't quite understand.

02:45:43.000 However, they definitely don't want caravans of people coming through their country, and they definitely don't want to keep empowering on a financial basis the Mexican drug cartels.

02:45:52.000 They want to work with us.

02:45:53.000 This is why the Trump administration was so easy for them to engage in these agreements with them.

02:46:00.000 And the fact that the Biden administration just ripped them up on day one was absolute insanity.

02:46:05.000 That was a request from immigration activists from the far left that want more illegal immigration for maybe political purposes.

02:46:16.000 And that's all that these Democrat politicians are listening to.

02:46:19.000 Now, not all of them.

02:46:20.000 You always ask me for, who's on the left who's saying something different?

02:46:23.000 Well, there's actually multiple Texas Congress members, Democrat Congress members, who at least have somewhat spoken out against the Biden administration for what they're doing.

02:46:34.000 Henry Cuellar is probably the best.

02:46:35.000 He's probably the most bipartisan member that I can think of.

02:46:38.000 I mean, he's on gun legislation with me, that guy.

02:46:41.000 All right?

02:46:41.000 Shout out to Henry.

02:46:43.000 Henry's a friend.

02:46:45.000 But he's, you know, again, true liberal.

02:46:47.000 He's representing his constituents.

02:46:49.000 How about that?

02:46:49.000 Like, if you don't want to label people, he's representing what his constituents want.

02:46:53.000 And his constituents, who mostly have Hispanic last names, by the way, they still don't want illegal immigration.

02:47:00.000 There's this myth out there that you can just group Hispanics into this category, and it's just not true.

02:47:05.000 As somebody who grew up in South America, I think I understand the culture fairly well.

02:47:10.000 You just can't.

02:47:11.000 And it's not obvious to me that they just want illegal immigration on top of illegal immigration.

02:47:15.000 They want the opposite.

02:47:17.000 They're voting constituents.

02:47:18.000 They want fairness. 1.00

02:47:20.000 So, let's bring this fucking podcast home. 0.99

02:47:24.000 How do we fix this issue? 1.00

02:47:27.000 How do we fix this ridiculous bipartisanship? 0.94

02:47:30.000 Or ridiculous partisanship, rather, that we have. 0.98

02:47:33.000 There's a ridiculous polarization between the two sides. 0.97

02:47:35.000 A ridiculous right versus left narrative. 0.96

02:47:38.000 How do we come together? 0.92

02:47:39.000 How do we join together?

02:47:40.000 Because...

02:47:43.000 Yeah.

02:47:59.000 You're a politician.

02:48:00.000 You're a congressman.

02:48:02.000 I might not give you the answer you told me.

02:48:02.000 Come on!

02:48:04.000 I'm going to say this.

02:48:05.000 The nature of politics is opposing sides, and you're never going to escape them.

02:48:10.000 You have different dispositions, and those dispositions are rooted in psychology.

02:48:15.000 They're rooted in human history.

02:48:17.000 In today's manifestations, we call them the left and the right.

02:48:21.000 We call them Democrat and Republican, but they've been longstanding for a very long time.

02:48:25.000 And there's two different dispositions.

02:48:26.000 One believes fundamentally in a good-natured way that if we just had enough power in a centralized way that we could form humanity into a more utopian reality.

02:48:39.000 I don't believe that.

02:48:40.000 That's not my disposition.

02:48:42.000 My disposition is I think you should structure government with a set of incentives and with a light touch, simple rules for a complex society, and that you should acknowledge that bad things can happen and that risk can happen,

02:48:57.000 but that the best possible outcomes come with that simple approach to governance and a simple set of incentives, and that you cannot fundamentally transform human nature the way you'd like to.

02:49:09.000 Because these different dispositions will always manifest, no matter what.

02:49:14.000 That's the first truth.

02:49:16.000 And so those dispositions always manifest into different policies.

02:49:21.000 And we will disagree on those policies.

02:49:24.000 And it's not clear what the center is, necessarily.

02:49:27.000 There's people who have left-leaning tendencies and some right-leaning tendencies.

02:49:32.000 Maybe they claim that they're fiscally conservative but socially liberal.

02:49:36.000 It's something you hear a lot.

02:49:37.000 That doesn't actually turn out in the data the way I would like it to.

02:49:42.000 So I don't know how to campaign to that group, necessarily.

02:49:46.000 They're not a base that you can rely on for voting.

02:49:50.000 They're just people with different ideas.

02:49:52.000 Sometimes they have different ideas because they just don't know all of the facts, and sometimes they just legitimately do know all the facts and they just legitimately have different ideas.

02:50:00.000 Either way, I don't know how to differentiate, and so it's very difficult for a politician to rely on that as a voting base.

02:50:08.000 You're always going to have your voting bases.

02:50:11.000 These are some truths that you cannot escape.

02:50:15.000 And another one would be it's very hard to define the middle.

02:50:18.000 None of this is bad.

02:50:19.000 None of this is wrong.

02:50:21.000 We have differences in our politics and our ideas.

02:50:25.000 And we created a system.

02:50:27.000 The masterful thing about the American system is that we've created it in a way that allows us to have these debates in a vigorous way and transfer power in a peaceful way.

02:50:36.000 Even if it was messy this time, it's still transferred.

02:50:39.000 And we dealt with it.

02:50:42.000 And that's an amazing thing.

02:50:43.000 No constitution is older than ours.

02:50:45.000 Can you imagine that?

02:50:46.000 There's a lot of countries that are way older than ours, but no constitution is.

02:50:49.000 No constitution enshrines inalienable rights the way ours does.

02:50:54.000 There was some genius in the founding.

02:50:56.000 We should appreciate that.

02:50:58.000 That's the center, I suppose, is that classical founding that we agreed upon at one time, where you can't tell me what to do You can't infringe on my rights.

02:51:09.000 It's a live and let live philosophy.

02:51:10.000 That's the American way.

02:51:12.000 The more we try to veer from that, the more we're going to end up in these pockets.

02:51:16.000 Because the more the left goes extreme, the more the right feels it needs to go extreme to respond to that.

02:51:21.000 I think that's what I see happening, generally speaking.

02:51:23.000 And so what's the best way out of that?

02:51:26.000 It's tone, I think.

02:51:28.000 I think it's tone.

02:51:29.000 I think it's, look, know why you believe what you believe.

02:51:34.000 And be able to express it in a rational way.

02:51:36.000 If you can't then you shouldn't trust that person.

02:51:40.000 And debate.

02:51:41.000 And debate heavily.

02:51:42.000 And if Congress is gridlocked, then Congress is gridlocked.

02:51:45.000 That's fine.

02:51:47.000 Remember, those are laws that must affect every single person in America.

02:51:50.000 There's nothing wrong with gridlock in Washington.

02:51:54.000 Okay?

02:51:55.000 Because guess what?

02:51:56.000 You can still solve your problems at the state level and the local level.

02:51:59.000 You can still go vote in your school board elections.

02:52:01.000 You know how people vote in their school board elections?

02:52:03.000 Like 3%.

02:52:03.000 You know how people complain about their education system?

02:52:06.000 97%.

02:52:06.000 A lot more.

02:52:07.000 A lot more.

02:52:08.000 Yeah.

02:52:09.000 Go get involved in your local level and get informed and be humble about it.

02:52:16.000 A sense of humility, frankly, is maybe what you're looking at.

02:52:20.000 Like, I know what I believe, and I know why I believe it.

02:52:23.000 You're not going to change my mind in a really big way, and that's fine.

02:52:27.000 But if you're going to take a really hard position on something, please know why you believe it.

02:52:32.000 There's no shame in ignorance.

02:52:36.000 It's not your fault you don't know a lot about why Medicare works the way it does.

02:52:41.000 Or any given subject.

02:52:42.000 Any given subject.

02:52:43.000 It's not your fault.

02:52:44.000 You're trying to get your kids to school, man.

02:52:47.000 But at least be open-minded about it.

02:52:51.000 And let's have rational conversations online.

02:52:53.000 Even my supporters will be like, I'll go to like an event and I'll be taking pictures with people and somebody will say to me, oh man, I give you so much hell online.

02:53:02.000 I'm like, why?

02:53:04.000 Because they're bored. 1.00

02:53:05.000 They're losers. 0.99

02:53:06.000 You obviously like me, but you're contributing, and this is from my own side, you're contributing to the toxicity that we're all feeling. 0.99

02:53:14.000 They haven't been explained that yet.

02:53:17.000 The problem with people online is that it's too easy to just be negative.

02:53:22.000 It is.

02:53:22.000 It's too easy.

02:53:24.000 And that's a problem.

02:53:25.000 It is.

02:53:26.000 And that's what you're sensing.

02:53:27.000 That's why you're sensing this division.

02:53:29.000 And there is division.

02:53:30.000 And look, I do think, I'm speaking from my own partisan hat here, but I do think the Democrat Party has taken on positions that they never would have taken on 10 years ago.

02:53:40.000 I think they've moved way to the left.

02:53:42.000 I don't think the Republican Party has.

02:53:43.000 I can't distinguish my current Republican Party from a policy perspective from Reagan's.

02:53:48.000 Now, the tone is different, and that's what needs to change.

02:53:52.000 When are you running for president?

02:53:53.000 Last question.

02:53:54.000 Nah, you've already asked me this.

02:53:56.000 I asked you that a year ago.

02:53:57.000 Not soon.

02:54:00.000 Dan, you're a good man.

02:54:01.000 I appreciate you very much.

02:54:02.000 Thank you, brother.

02:54:03.000 Thanks for being here.

02:54:04.000 You're a good man.

02:54:05.000 Thank you.

02:54:05.000 I support you.

02:54:06.000 Bye, everybody.

02:54:07.000 Thank you very much.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 06, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1630 - Dan Crenshaw

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