The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #118 with Julianna Peña

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

00:00:13.000 It's dope, right?

00:00:15.000 I don't think that's technically an NFT. It's like a digital representation of the NFT. He gave me an NFT too, but you have to put that in an NFT wallet.

00:00:25.000 I don't know.

00:00:28.000 What does that mean?

00:00:29.000 What is an NFT wallet?

00:00:31.000 That's how you store it.

00:00:32.000 Exactly.

00:00:33.000 What does that mean?

00:00:34.000 I was right there with you and you were talking about like you have no idea what this stuff is and it's really complicated and everything.

00:00:39.000 It's weird that they're so valuable.

00:00:42.000 That's what's weird.

00:00:43.000 Well, but I'm actually going to try to start one.

00:00:46.000 You should!

00:00:47.000 It seems like a scam that people were willingly participating in, so like, okay.

00:00:53.000 But this guy Beeple, he's an amazing artist.

00:00:57.000 He does art every day.

00:00:59.000 He puts a new piece of digital art out every day, and he's done it for 12 years.

00:01:02.000 I saw it, yeah.

00:01:03.000 And he's got a gallery that they're building of all these kind of things, like this Elon thing, of these giant digital artwork pieces.

00:01:12.000 So he's a different thing.

00:01:14.000 Some people are just making NFTs of an image of them at the park or something like that.

00:01:20.000 I'm trying to figure out what I can give to the superfans, right?

00:01:25.000 So I'm like, do they want an old fight bra or something?

00:01:29.000 Do they want tickets to the fight?

00:01:32.000 What do these guys want?

00:01:33.000 What do you mean?

00:01:34.000 They definitely want a fight bra. 1.00

00:01:35.000 Yeah.

00:01:36.000 So I think I was going to stick some of that stuff, some weird stuff in there and be like, these are my old hand wraps.

00:01:42.000 Do you guys want that?

00:01:43.000 Is this an NFT? Is it hand wrap NFT? That's valuable.

00:01:45.000 Jeremy Stevens gave me his wraps and his shorts from one of his fights, one of his victories, and it's up in my studio in LA. Oh, nice.

00:01:52.000 I got to bring that over here.

00:01:53.000 Yeah.

00:01:54.000 So in the beginning, like when I first met you today, rather, when I ran into you, first thing I was like, are you still on cloud nine?

00:02:01.000 Like, what is this like?

00:02:02.000 Like, you know, it was Matt, Sarah and GSP. That was like the biggest upset ever in the history of sport.

00:02:08.000 But this is like, I think this is there or bigger.

00:02:12.000 It might be bigger.

00:02:13.000 Yeah, I mean, that wasn't my era.

00:02:16.000 I'm in the new generation.

00:02:17.000 This is my era.

00:02:19.000 So, of course, to me, it's the biggest.

00:02:21.000 But it was huge because Amanda was terrifying.

00:02:24.000 Like, everybody was scared of her.

00:02:25.000 And you were the one that wasn't scared of her.

00:02:28.000 Yeah.

00:02:28.000 No, you can't be.

00:02:29.000 You're fighting.

00:02:30.000 I know, but it's still, it's like, it's the way you did it was so wild.

00:02:36.000 Like, wild was that?

00:02:37.000 Like...

00:02:40.000 DC sent me a text.

00:02:41.000 Are you laughing because you were counting me out the whole time?

00:02:43.000 No, I'm laughing because DC sent me a text.

00:02:46.000 And in the video, you're very excited.

00:02:49.000 I'm ready.

00:02:50.000 DC sent me a text and it was a video of me and him doing commentary on your fight.

00:02:55.000 He goes, bro, he goes, listen to us.

00:02:56.000 We're just making weird noises.

00:02:58.000 Because during the fight, it's like, ah!

00:03:01.000 He's screaming like a little girl.

00:03:02.000 It was wild. 1.00

00:03:03.000 It was fucking wild. 0.99

00:03:05.000 When you were standing toe-to-toe with her and smashing her with a jab in the middle of the octagon, we were gripping each other. 1.00

00:03:12.000 We were like, oh shit! 0.99

00:03:15.000 You can't describe what that's like to watch because it's hard to believe that it's happening. 0.99

00:03:24.000 I felt like if you had a chance to beat her, it would be in a scramble, you would catch her and submit her in a grappling exchange, wear her down and submit her. 1.00

00:03:31.000 But to see you standing in the middle of Octagon and smashing her with a jab, it was like, ah!

00:03:37.000 Ah!

00:03:37.000 It was crazy!

00:03:39.000 It was so wild to see.

00:03:41.000 It was almost like the world changed.

00:03:43.000 The whole world changed.

00:03:45.000 What is not possible is now possible.

00:03:47.000 Yes.

00:03:48.000 Well, there's two things.

00:03:49.000 First is there's styles.

00:03:52.000 We've already talked about that.

00:03:53.000 Styles makes fights.

00:03:54.000 But I knew stylistically that I have the perfect style of fighting to beat her.

00:04:00.000 And because there's, for example, I'm not the type to run around the ring the whole time and do the point sparring thing and go to decision.

00:04:06.000 It's like one of us is coming out of here and that's it.

00:04:08.000 That's just the way that my fighting style is.

00:04:09.000 I'm the type where it's like...

00:04:10.000 If there's a big puncher, the only way to meet that is meet fire with fire.

00:04:14.000 And I have to stand in the pocket.

00:04:15.000 So I'm not the type of person to run away in the fight.

00:04:17.000 I'm the type of person to meet that fire head on and match it with my own fire.

00:04:21.000 And I knew that that was how I was going to win.

00:04:24.000 And so that's pretty much all I did is just game plan that specific type of you're going to be in the pocket, you're going to have to meet this fire, and you absolutely cannot shy away from it.

00:04:34.000 Well, you said it leading up to the fight that you're going to drown her.

00:04:38.000 Yeah.

00:04:39.000 I mean, I've been calling for this fight for five years. 0.80

00:04:41.000 Everyone's like, this girl's talking all this crap, you know, she's this and she's that and getting upset at me. 0.68

00:04:45.000 But I've been calling for this fight since I won Kat Zingano at UFC 200. She beat Misha that night. 0.97

00:04:52.000 I beat Kat.

00:04:53.000 Kat had just recently beat her.

00:04:54.000 And in the press conference, Amanda sang.

00:04:57.000 That I'm next and then Rhonda got to cut the line and you know Rhonda had just got knocked out by Holly Holm and instead of her you know having to fight somebody else she got an immediate title shot and she got to cut the line and I was like that was my fight she's the champ said that I was next and so Rhonda came in she got knocked out and then I you know I got put to the back of the line again but I was constantly saying even when Rhonda was champ and I won the ultimate fighter I kept saying I want to fight Rhonda I want to fight Rhonda and they wouldn't they wouldn't give me that fight But the fact that she knocked out Rhonda helped

00:05:27.000 your fight.

00:05:28.000 It really did.

00:05:29.000 When you finally got her.

00:05:30.000 Yeah.

00:05:30.000 Because she's a legend by then.

00:05:32.000 True.

00:05:32.000 Because before then she was super dangerous.

00:05:35.000 Everybody was very aware that Amanda was like super fucking dangerous. 1.00

00:05:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:05:39.000 And a vicious knockout artist. 0.99

00:05:41.000 Yeah.

00:05:42.000 Beating Rhonda the way she did put her on the world map. 0.55

00:05:44.000 Right. 1.00

00:05:44.000 When she knocked her out in 48 seconds, everybody's like, holy fuck. 1.00

00:05:48.000 Right. 0.99

00:05:49.000 You know, and your fight with her was bigger because of all the delays.

00:05:55.000 Like, because she achieved this goat status. 0.95

00:05:58.000 Six years, I think, that she'd been unbeaten, just knocking people out for, like, the last six years. 0.95

00:06:04.000 The fact that she knocked out Cyborg like that, too.

00:06:06.000 Incredible, right? 1.00

00:06:07.000 And then you just stood right in the fucking pocket. 1.00

00:06:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:06:12.000 I know.

00:06:12.000 And that's great.

00:06:14.000 If I can get people emotionally invested in me, whether it's in my successes or in my losses, whatever it is, as long as you're watching and as long as you're, you know, gripping your seat at the end of your seat and freaking out, I want to invoke that emotion in people.

00:06:25.000 And that's why I love fighting, I think, is because, you know, whether you're invested in the loss or the success, you're watching and you're, like, feeling some type of way and your heart's, you know, going through your throat and to get that reaction from people and to see the, you know...

00:06:42.000 Yeah.

00:07:03.000 I'm sorry I did that to you guys.

00:07:05.000 It makes me feel bad.

00:07:07.000 I'm like, oh man, I'm really putting these people through the ringer.

00:07:10.000 I feel guilty.

00:07:11.000 That's hilarious.

00:07:13.000 Listen, they're all invested now.

00:07:15.000 After that fight, everybody's invested.

00:07:17.000 That was one of the best fights I've ever seen.

00:07:19.000 Thank you.

00:07:20.000 In terms of like...

00:07:21.000 What do you want out of a fight?

00:07:23.000 You want to be completely immersed in.

00:07:26.000 The world goes away.

00:07:27.000 All you're thinking about is what's happening right in front of you.

00:07:31.000 And because of your effort, because of what you accomplished that night, you change the way people think about what's possible and not possible.

00:07:39.000 That's everything we want from a fight.

00:07:42.000 Everything.

00:07:42.000 You were the underdog.

00:07:43.000 You came in.

00:07:45.000 You were counted out by so many people. 1.00

00:07:47.000 You fought the greatest of all time and you fucked her up. 1.00

00:07:50.000 And the way you did it, the whole world, everybody that watched that was like, holy shit, the world is a different place now. 0.99

00:07:58.000 Yeah, it just goes to show you how strong the mind is and how, you know, it's going to sound corny, but my mom always used to tell me, you can do anything you set your mind to. 0.95

00:08:07.000 That's almost true.

00:08:08.000 You can't swim across the ocean.

00:08:10.000 No.

00:08:11.000 Okay.

00:08:11.000 So it's almost true.

00:08:12.000 But I mean, you got to be realistic, obviously.

00:08:15.000 And people were upset about me like, oh, yeah, you can't do this.

00:08:17.000 You can't do that.

00:08:17.000 Set some realistic standards for yourself.

00:08:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:20.000 You know, some old lady is not going to be obviously a world champion in the UFC, but she could find something that she's passionate about.

00:08:27.000 She can pursue that with her whole heart and she can achieve whatever that goal is for whatever it is that she wants, you know?

00:08:33.000 So you got to be realistic.

00:08:35.000 But if you're passionate about something, how sad would it be for somebody to die with no passion?

00:08:41.000 You know, to not be passionate about something.

00:08:43.000 That's a very common thing.

00:08:44.000 You know, a lot of people never find the groove.

00:08:46.000 They never find the thing that excites them and then never realize that facing that fear and then challenging themselves actually feels good because you accomplish it.

00:08:55.000 You get through it and then on the other end of it you feel better.

00:08:59.000 That's something that people, that everyone wants to seek comfort.

00:09:02.000 And comfort's a terrible place to be.

00:09:03.000 It's horrible.

00:09:04.000 It's only good after you've already worked really hard and you deserve a little break.

00:09:07.000 That's what comfort's for.

00:09:08.000 Comfort's for like these small moments when you're not grinding.

00:09:11.000 Right.

00:09:12.000 And I think that that's probably the thing that's been hardest in my life is having to choose the easy route or go the tough route.

00:09:21.000 And just me by personality, I'm always going to choose the harder road.

00:09:25.000 It's almost like I know that I could go the easy route, but that's just not in me.

00:09:30.000 That's not who I am as personality.

00:09:32.000 It's like if everyone's going this way, I have to go the other way.

00:09:35.000 When you had that catastrophic knee injury, that was such an enormous setback.

00:09:43.000 How dark were those days?

00:09:45.000 How hard was that for you?

00:09:46.000 It was very depressing.

00:09:49.000 Talk about wanting to hide under a rock and never come out.

00:09:53.000 How did it happen?

00:09:54.000 Explain the actual extent of the injury for people who don't know.

00:09:58.000 I can tell you that I was in that moment very angry at the time.

00:10:02.000 I was angry at the relationship that I was in at the time and I went to the gym angry and ready to like mess something up.

00:10:12.000 And the training partner that I was with couldn't take me down.

00:10:16.000 And we were fighting for real.

00:10:18.000 And so at one point he was just hugging on my neck trying to take me down in desperation and we ended up being like shoulder to shoulder and he's like pulling me from the neck this way trying to pull me down.

00:10:31.000 And my leg got stuck in the mat and it just completely caved.

00:10:35.000 Sideways?

00:10:36.000 Sideways, yeah.

00:10:37.000 I tore four out of five ligaments.

00:10:39.000 And when I went to step down on the mat, my whole knee just like came out from underneath me.

00:10:44.000 It was like one of those disgusting things, like just flopping all over the place.

00:10:48.000 So, you know, I made a mistake because on the way, you know, I had just won the Ultimate Fighter and I was getting ready to go to my next fight.

00:10:57.000 And I was getting ready to fight Jessica Andrade, actually.

00:11:00.000 And when my...

00:11:03.000 My first reaction was, I'm out of the fight.

00:11:05.000 And so I was on the way to the hospital.

00:11:07.000 I was on my way to go, but I was screaming bloody murder, freaking out.

00:11:12.000 And my coach was like, call Dana, tell him that you're out of the fight.

00:11:15.000 And so I called Dana as I'm on my way to the hospital crying, telling him about my knee.

00:11:19.000 And that was the biggest mistake ever because he literally blew it up and was like...

00:11:23.000 She got mauled by a bear.

00:11:25.000 Her training partners are jealous. 0.91

00:11:26.000 They're trying to kill her.

00:11:27.000 You know what I mean? 0.60

00:11:27.000 He said that? 0.60

00:11:28.000 Yeah.

00:11:28.000 He told me, leave that gym now.

00:11:30.000 He made it a really big deal.

00:11:33.000 And it just brought so much negative attention to my gym.

00:11:36.000 Oh, that's unfortunate.

00:11:37.000 It was unfortunate.

00:11:39.000 It was.

00:11:39.000 Well, Dana cares.

00:11:40.000 But sometimes when you care, you get a little crazy.

00:11:44.000 Yeah.

00:11:44.000 Well, it just ended up making him hate my coach.

00:11:48.000 And I mean, this is still the coach that I'm with for the last 13 years, you know? 0.98

00:11:51.000 Well, that sucks. 0.99

00:11:53.000 It does. 0.93

00:11:53.000 Retraining injuries, they're just a thing. 0.93

00:11:57.000 Some of them you can avoid, but you can't avoid personalities.

00:12:00.000 You can't avoid people struggling.

00:12:02.000 You can't avoid you zig when you should have zagged. 1.00

00:12:04.000 Right.

00:12:05.000 Well, and again, it was just my fault completely because I should have waited.

00:12:10.000 I should have not gone into the gym in that moment and trained.

00:12:14.000 No one was watching.

00:12:15.000 It was just us.

00:12:16.000 It was like no supervision, no direction.

00:12:19.000 It was just like, we're fighting.

00:12:20.000 Let's go.

00:12:21.000 It was almost like a bad karma type of thing.

00:12:24.000 It was like, no, no, no.

00:12:25.000 Don't act like that.

00:12:26.000 So was it because you think you've trained the way you did because you were in a bad headspace?

00:12:31.000 Yeah, I was, I had just recently saw something with my eyes that I perceived, you know, girls are weird, you know, they overthink everything. 1.00

00:12:39.000 So I saw something and I was like, oh no.

00:12:43.000 And then I went to the gym and- Angry.

00:12:44.000 Angry, angry, like just seething, seething angry.

00:12:48.000 Yeah.

00:12:48.000 It's so hard to just take that anger and put it aside and just think rationally when you're training.

00:12:55.000 You see guys like spar angry and then drop their hands and swing wild and it's like, God, the worst things happen when you do that.

00:13:04.000 Well, and I think that for some reason my coach has it in my mind or even other people's mind, not so much my mind, but he'll tell other people that she fights better when she's mad.

00:13:13.000 She actually fights better when she has chaos in her life. 1.00

00:13:16.000 It's almost like the Tonya Harding type of situation where it's like I'm not at my best unless I'm getting mentally beaten down.

00:13:23.000 But I don't think that.

00:13:24.000 I think that's just his excuse because he's always created so much chaos in my life.

00:13:29.000 And that's like what he wants to say.

00:13:31.000 You know, we'll get in a fight and I'll go choke the girl out, you know, right away in the first round. 1.00

00:13:35.000 So I think that's what he thinks, but I don't think that way.

00:13:38.000 Well, you need to be invested in the fight, but to be that worked up...

00:13:43.000 I mean, it's weird.

00:13:44.000 It's like so many fighters have had some of their best performances while their lives in chaos.

00:13:49.000 Like Tyson, when he was in his prime, like his life was full chaos.

00:13:52.000 He had syphilis when he knocked out Michael Spinks.

00:13:55.000 Yeah.

00:13:57.000 Is that what he had or gonorrhea?

00:13:59.000 I think he had gonorrhea.

00:14:01.000 Not syphilis. 0.84

00:14:02.000 Either way, a walking STD. Which one's the clap?

00:14:05.000 Gonorrhea, right?

00:14:06.000 Yeah.

00:14:08.000 He knocked him out when he was walking with an STD. He had an STD and he destroyed the former heavyweight champion in one of the most spectacular knockouts the heavyweight division's ever seen.

00:14:18.000 And the guy had an STD. By the way, I love Mike Tyson.

00:14:22.000 I love Mike Tyson.

00:14:23.000 I'm sponsored by Tyson 2.0 right now.

00:14:25.000 Oh, are you really?

00:14:25.000 What is Tyson 2.0?

00:14:26.000 It's his new cannabis line.

00:14:29.000 Oh, you're sponsored by weed.

00:14:31.000 Yeah, I'm going the apparel route with Tyson 2.0, but yeah, they just came on as my newest endorser.

00:14:37.000 Nice.

00:14:38.000 No, I love Mike.

00:14:39.000 I'm a giant fan.

00:14:40.000 I just think that when he was in his prime, he was destroying everybody and his life was just full-on chaos.

00:14:48.000 Yeah.

00:14:49.000 Yeah, and I could make a case for that.

00:14:50.000 I could go back and be like, oh yes, I was, you know, in a really tough mental spot there too.

00:14:55.000 And I mean, I could argue that for even this fight.

00:14:58.000 But I don't want to because I feel like at the end of the day, those are all excuses.

00:15:03.000 And you got to be able to perform.

00:15:05.000 And that's the bottom line.

00:15:06.000 Yeah, and as a professional, especially now as a professional and a world champion, you really have to make sure everything is aligned properly.

00:15:16.000 Your mind, your rest, your recovery, the whole deal.

00:15:19.000 What is next?

00:15:20.000 Do you think a rematch is next?

00:15:22.000 Absolutely.

00:15:22.000 There's still naysayers out there.

00:15:24.000 There's still people that think it was a fluke.

00:15:26.000 There's still people that are harassing me. 0.99

00:15:29.000 There's still people that are being like, she's going to kill you. 0.92

00:15:32.000 They were like 10 seconds and you're dead.

00:15:34.000 And so I would love nothing more than to put the naysayers to bed for one last time.

00:15:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:42.000 Yeah.

00:15:42.000 Now, have you guys started discussing when and if that can happen?

00:15:46.000 Yeah.

00:15:47.000 Yes.

00:15:47.000 And, you know, in my mind, in a perfect world...

00:15:50.000 July 4th.

00:15:51.000 Yeah.

00:15:52.000 July 4th.

00:15:52.000 Right?

00:15:52.000 Yes.

00:15:53.000 Vegas.

00:15:54.000 Yes.

00:15:54.000 I totally would love to fight in Vegas.

00:15:56.000 It's the biggest card.

00:15:57.000 In my mind, I would always want...

00:16:00.000 I've always wanted to anyway, since I was on The Ultimate Fighter.

00:16:02.000 I would love to coach The Ultimate Fighter.

00:16:05.000 I just...

00:16:06.000 You know, the last time that we were supposed to coach before this fight, she decided not to do it. 0.97

00:16:10.000 And so I'm just trying to coax her into doing it.

00:16:13.000 You know, like, come on, let's coach the Ultimate Fighter, and then we'll fight in July.

00:16:17.000 It'll be perfect.

00:16:17.000 That would be great.

00:16:18.000 Yeah, so in a perfect world, that's how it would be for me.

00:16:21.000 But I would anticipate sometime in the summer for the rematch.

00:16:23.000 The Ultimate Fighter, what kind of a commitment is that?

00:16:25.000 It's like a six-week commitment?

00:16:27.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:16:29.000 It is like a six-week commitment.

00:16:31.000 So you just live in Vegas for six weeks, bring your kid, train there, and then coach people.

00:16:37.000 Now, that has always traditionally been a way that people have been able to get rivalries really cooking.

00:16:46.000 Because then you're next to each other all the time for six weeks.

00:16:49.000 It just bubbles up.

00:16:51.000 What do you think that's going to be like, being around her for six weeks?

00:16:54.000 You know, it's not a personal thing.

00:16:56.000 It's not like I have anything against her personally.

00:16:58.000 I think that she's great.

00:17:00.000 And if I were to be on the show, I can pretty much guarantee you I'm not going to be pulling any shenanigans.

00:17:29.000 Awkward.

00:17:30.000 Awkward.

00:17:31.000 Awkward.

00:17:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:35.000 And I was right there next to her when they were at the Red Rock.

00:17:38.000 And Misha's like, she's like, you can't even throw punches.

00:17:41.000 And Ron is like, she stormed off so angry.

00:17:43.000 She went and got Edmund and they came back and like, I thought they were gonna throw down right then and there.

00:17:47.000 Literally, like it was it was awkward.

00:17:49.000 Well, you get to see sides of people's personality when you see them on these exchanges with each other.

00:17:55.000 Right.

00:17:55.000 Remember Rashad Evans in Rampage?

00:17:58.000 Yes. 1.00

00:17:59.000 And like, you're a bitch. 1.00

00:18:00.000 Treat me like a bitch. 1.00

00:18:00.000 You're a bitch. 1.00

00:18:01.000 Treat me like a bitch. 1.00

00:18:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:18:02.000 Like face to face with each other for like several seconds. 1.00

00:18:06.000 Yes.

00:18:06.000 Saying that.

00:18:07.000 Yeah.

00:18:08.000 Or even like Vonderlay and Shiel Sonnen.

00:18:10.000 Oh, that's a classic.

00:18:11.000 Yeah.

00:18:11.000 They straight up fought.

00:18:12.000 Yeah.

00:18:13.000 That's a classic.

00:18:14.000 I would hope, you know, that that wouldn't be the case, you know, like, let's be adults about this.

00:18:19.000 But then that's the flip side.

00:18:21.000 It's like, we're trying to sell the fight, right?

00:18:23.000 We're trying to make people invested and make sure that they watch the fight.

00:18:27.000 So it's like, how can it be, you know, this epic season of The Ultimate Fighter without that kind of chaos?

00:18:33.000 But it's like, Amanda's not that kind of person.

00:18:35.000 And I'm not either.

00:18:36.000 Yeah, I don't think it has to be that way.

00:18:38.000 The fight is going to be giant, no matter what. 0.97

00:18:42.000 When you guys have a rematch, holy shit. 0.98

00:18:44.000 God, it better be in North America. 0.99

00:18:46.000 Yeah.

00:18:46.000 I don't want to miss that one.

00:18:48.000 No.

00:18:48.000 I would hope not.

00:18:50.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:18:50.000 Yeah, it's absolutely going to be in North America. 1.00

00:18:52.000 It has to be Dana.

00:18:54.000 Dana White. 1.00

00:18:55.000 Don't ship that shit to Abu Dhabi. 1.00

00:18:56.000 No, heck no. 1.00

00:18:57.000 That has to be in America because that one's just too big.

00:19:00.000 It's too big.

00:19:01.000 They locked us down in Abu Dhabi.

00:19:03.000 I went out there twice and I was like, I'm in Abu Dhabi.

00:19:07.000 I want to go buy some gold.

00:19:08.000 And they're like, hotel room, that's it.

00:19:10.000 Sorry, sweetheart.

00:19:11.000 I'm just like, ugh.

00:19:12.000 You think that's different now, though?

00:19:13.000 It seems like everything's kind of lightening up now.

00:19:15.000 And you already have had COVID, so you got the antibodies and everything.

00:19:18.000 Yeah.

00:19:18.000 No, I mean, to me, I don't put on a mask unless somebody, like, asks me.

00:19:23.000 And then I'm like, that's over.

00:19:25.000 Like, come on.

00:19:26.000 CNN has said that they don't work.

00:19:28.000 Yeah.

00:19:28.000 CNN. On CNN, they said cloth masks don't work.

00:19:31.000 So unless you have, like, a fucking respirator. 0.99

00:19:33.000 Or what are those things called? 1.00

00:19:34.000 Not a respirator.

00:19:35.000 Were those N95s? 1.00

00:19:36.000 What do they technically refer to them as?

00:19:38.000 It's a specific kind of mask.

00:19:41.000 I thought it was an N95. Yeah, but when they seal up to your face, they call them a specific type of mask.

00:19:46.000 Gas mask?

00:19:47.000 I don't know. 0.98

00:19:47.000 This is ridiculous. 0.98

00:19:48.000 I'm sick of this. 0.99

00:19:49.000 I'm seriously so sick of it.

00:19:51.000 When did you get COVID? I got it November of 2020. Oh, you're an early adopter.

00:19:56.000 Yeah, November 2020. How was it?

00:19:59.000 Fine.

00:20:00.000 I mean, I had the chills one night.

00:20:03.000 It started with the headache.

00:20:04.000 And I had a massive headache for two days.

00:20:06.000 I couldn't understand what was going on.

00:20:09.000 Was this in a camp?

00:20:10.000 Were you during camp?

00:20:11.000 It was right after I lost to Jermaine Durandiman in October of 2020. And I... I had the chills day three.

00:20:21.000 It was freezing.

00:20:23.000 I had sweatpants on, everything, and three blankets, and I was still shivering cold.

00:20:28.000 I think day four or five, I lost taste and smell, and I had a very mild cough, and then it was gone.

00:20:35.000 I quarantined 14 days, and I was fine.

00:20:37.000 Did you get your sense of smell and taste back quick?

00:20:39.000 I have a friend who still has no sense of taste and no sense of smell for a year and a half.

00:20:45.000 Yeah, same with one of my really good girlfriends, Jennifer Mercier.

00:20:48.000 She still doesn't have her taste and smell. 0.99

00:20:50.000 Apparently, according to Andrew Huberman, he's this brilliant guy from Stanford who's been on my podcast before.

00:20:56.000 He has his own podcast.

00:20:58.000 He's an expert in health and wellness, and he says that alpha-lipoic acid is really good for that.

00:21:03.000 Another thing that is really good, this is anecdotal evidence, but people that I know that have dried, is NAD drips.

00:21:11.000 So they get vitamin IV drips, and then they get an NAD, which is...

00:21:17.000 I don't know how to say it.

00:21:21.000 You took like the monoclonal and then they just stripped those like two days ago, right?

00:21:28.000 I wish this made sense.

00:21:30.000 I wish it made sense because I have a friend in LA that just took the monoclonal antibodies a few days ago and she got better and she was really scared.

00:21:36.000 And she's vaxxed and boosted and she got real sick and she took the monoclonal antibodies and she was back like that instantaneously.

00:21:44.000 And they try to not give them to her in the hospital because she's too healthy. 0.95

00:21:48.000 They won't, right?

00:21:49.000 I don't know.

00:21:50.000 I listened to the podcast with the two doctors back to back.

00:21:56.000 Robert Malone and Peter McCullough.

00:21:58.000 Yes, yes.

00:22:01.000 That was eye-opening for me.

00:22:03.000 I'm a massive conspiracy theorist on this whole thing, and I have been since the very beginning.

00:22:07.000 I'm like, this is just a money grab. 0.98

00:22:08.000 They're trying to kill us, and this is ridiculous. 0.98

00:22:11.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:22:12.000 I don't think they're trying to kill us.

00:22:13.000 I think there's a lot of confusion as far as what works and what doesn't work.

00:22:16.000 And then there's a lot of...

00:22:17.000 Well, remember Peter McCullough said that there's like a specific plant that's growing somewhere and then one day like they were all burned, gone.

00:22:24.000 What?

00:22:24.000 He said that there was like a field of like this medicine like somewhere else.

00:22:29.000 And then when they went to go back for it, it was like all burned down.

00:22:33.000 Do you remember this?

00:22:34.000 What was he talking about?

00:22:38.000 If it was in the Amazon, the problem with that is...

00:22:43.000 I'm trying to remember, too.

00:22:46.000 They do slash and burn agriculture in places, and they don't take any consideration as to what...

00:22:51.000 That's an issue with the stripping of the Amazon, is that there's a lot of plants in the Amazon that could conceivably lead to amazing pharmaceutical medications.

00:23:01.000 A lot of the pharmaceutical drugs that we take that are really helpful, they find them in the Amazon.

00:23:06.000 It's pretty crazy.

00:23:07.000 Yeah.

00:23:07.000 So when they do stuff like that, it might not be a conspiracy to kill people.

00:23:12.000 It might just be slash-and-burn agriculture that they're doing for livestock.

00:23:17.000 What they do in Brazil in particular, and in some places, is they'll slash and cut down giant chunks of the rainforest, and then they use it just for grazing land, for cattle.

00:23:29.000 But in doing so, you're destroying this ecosystem.

00:23:32.000 Yeah.

00:23:33.000 Well, I mean, at this point I don't even think it's a conspiracy anymore with all the other stuff that's happening.

00:23:38.000 It's just like, no, this is reality.

00:23:41.000 Well, reality is there's a lot of people scared, and there's a lot of confusion, and there's also a lot of people that don't want people discussing things.

00:23:49.000 I know.

00:23:49.000 They only want one narrative, and that's where it becomes a problem for me.

00:23:54.000 It's because science is supposed to be debated between experts, and oftentimes people who are highly credentialed, who are experts in their field, disagree vehemently about the exact same subject with the exact same facts at hand.

00:24:09.000 And so the way they sort that out is through peer review, through discussions, like when they have litigations, right, when they have lawsuits, you'll often have an expert witness that is for the defense and an expert witness for the prosecution, and both of them are experts,

00:24:25.000 like legitimate, educated experts, and they differ completely.

00:24:29.000 Now, whether or not they're being honest or whether or not they're being paid to give an expert opinion that follows a certain narrative because this is what their client wants, I don't know.

00:24:38.000 But I do know that science is supposed to be sorted out through discussion of evidence.

00:24:44.000 And when you suppress the discussion of evidence and you suppress people utilizing things that are 100% healthy, safe to use, off-label medications, you've got a real problem in your hand.

00:24:57.000 And that's what a lot of doctors think now.

00:25:00.000 That's what a lot of people think now.

00:25:01.000 And that's why this whole thing is so confusing.

00:25:03.000 And also, people are dying.

00:25:05.000 Like, you got over it easy, I got over it pretty easy, but I had the right medication.

00:25:10.000 And we're both fit.

00:25:12.000 We work out a lot.

00:25:13.000 That's a big factor.

00:25:15.000 The thing that's been driving me crazy about all this is how little emphasis they've put on getting people to change their lifestyle, make better lifestyle choices.

00:25:24.000 You know, that's fucking crazy when you find out how many people that wind up in the hospital that are overweight.

00:25:29.000 Right. 0.98

00:25:29.000 How many people that wind up, you know, like with real problems because they have vitamin D deficiencies. 0.98

00:25:35.000 Right.

00:25:35.000 Like all these kind of things, these things can be fixed.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, we're living in a time where you absolutely have to be supplementing.

00:25:41.000 Yeah.

00:25:42.000 Like you have to be supplementing, you know, it's just bottom line.

00:25:45.000 If you're not supplementing, then you're obviously going to, you know, your immune system is weak by nature.

00:25:50.000 So you have to supplement to get what you need.

00:25:52.000 Well, you were telling me that you gave me a box of the supplements from this company that you use.

00:25:56.000 What's it called again?

00:25:56.000 It's called Designs for Sport.

00:25:58.000 And you used those before they were sponsoring yours?

00:26:00.000 Yes, I did.

00:26:01.000 Yes.

00:26:01.000 It's all NSF certified.

00:26:03.000 So if SADA comes knocking on your door, you're not going to piss hot or anything like that.

00:26:07.000 This is legit stuff.

00:26:08.000 I was taking it before they sponsored me.

00:26:11.000 And now it's just awesome that they are sponsoring me.

00:26:14.000 They have vitamins, protein, everything?

00:26:17.000 Yes, everything.

00:26:18.000 Collagen.

00:26:20.000 There's a thing that not a lot of fighters know I don't feel like for brain injury.

00:26:26.000 It's called GPC liquid.

00:26:28.000 And if you get knocked out all the time, you should be taking this.

00:26:32.000 If you get knocked out all the time?

00:26:33.000 Yeah, I've never been knocked out, but I'm just saying it's great for brain cushion.

00:26:38.000 GPC liquid?

00:26:39.000 GPC liquid, yes.

00:26:40.000 Do you know what GPC stands for?

00:26:41.000 No, I wish I did.

00:26:42.000 I'm sorry.

00:26:43.000 You know what's crazy is that I'm sponsored by them, and I know their stuff is legit, but I just take it.

00:26:48.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:49.000 You're busy.

00:26:49.000 Yeah, I'm busy.

00:26:50.000 You've got a kid.

00:26:51.000 Yeah, I just know that I need to be taking this stuff.

00:26:53.000 All the stuff that it does, I don't know.

00:26:55.000 I know I drink the hydration complex and the amino acids during and after practice and stuff.

00:26:59.000 I know that I drink the collagen and the beef protein.

00:27:01.000 Make a little mocha in the morning with my coffee.

00:27:03.000 I take it because I know that I need it and that it's good for you and I need to be supplementing.

00:27:08.000 But what the ins and outs of everything is, you're going to have to do more research.

00:27:12.000 Listen, it's hard enough to be a mom of a four-year-old.

00:27:14.000 To be a mom of a four-year-old while you're a professional fighter at the highest levels of the game, come on, you're busy. 0.89

00:27:21.000 Cut yourself some slack.

00:27:23.000 So I don't know what everything does, but I know that it's great.

00:27:25.000 And another thing that's great for the brain injury is psilocybin, Wysana.

00:27:30.000 I'm sponsored by Wysana.

00:27:32.000 Daniel Carcillo, he created this...

00:27:34.000 Well, he was an NHL hockey player, but he got his career cut short as an athlete because he had too much brain trauma from...

00:27:45.000 Those guys are constantly smashing.

00:27:48.000 Yeah.

00:27:49.000 We saw it as a psilocybin company that sponsors me.

00:27:52.000 That's on your left shoulder.

00:27:54.000 How do they do that when it's illegal?

00:27:56.000 They microdose.

00:27:57.000 But it's illegal.

00:27:58.000 So how do they do that?

00:27:59.000 I have no idea. 1.00

00:28:01.000 It's stupid as fuck that it's illegal. 1.00

00:28:03.000 It drives me goddamn crazy. 1.00

00:28:04.000 You could buy pills that are, you know, Oxycontins are legal. 0.98

00:28:08.000 You can get those.

00:28:09.000 You can't get a prescription for mushrooms.

00:28:12.000 The conspiracy theory continues.

00:28:14.000 Medicine is just a big money thing anyways.

00:28:18.000 Well, it is and it also heals people.

00:28:21.000 Well, this medicine heals.

00:28:22.000 Yeah, but a lot of medicine heals.

00:28:24.000 There's a lot of pharmaceutical drugs that are very beneficial.

00:28:27.000 We're lucky that they exist.

00:28:29.000 But whenever you have companies that are designed to make as much money as possible...

00:28:34.000 They start trying to figure out how to make money versus trying to figure out how to heal the most amount of people possible.

00:28:40.000 That's where things get weird.

00:28:42.000 But you're in Oregon.

00:28:43.000 No, I'm in Chicago.

00:28:44.000 Oh, you are?

00:28:45.000 But I'm from Washington State.

00:28:46.000 Right.

00:28:47.000 Sorry, Washington State.

00:28:48.000 But Washington State...

00:28:49.000 I didn't mean Oregon.

00:28:50.000 Washington State...

00:28:51.000 Pacific Northwest.

00:28:52.000 Didn't Washington State...

00:28:53.000 It was the first state to legalize marijuana.

00:28:56.000 Yeah.

00:28:56.000 And I think they did something with mushrooms, too, recently, right?

00:28:59.000 I think Oregon did, for sure.

00:29:00.000 Well, Oregon did with everything, right?

00:29:02.000 Yeah, right.

00:29:02.000 What other states have done something with psilocybin?

00:29:05.000 There's been a couple of states that have decriminalized psilocybin.

00:29:09.000 Oregon essentially decriminalized everything, right?

00:29:11.000 Yeah.

00:29:12.000 Well, and here's the thing.

00:29:13.000 I'm not telling you to go trip out on mushrooms every day.

00:29:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:16.000 This is micro dosing.

00:29:17.000 It's specific.

00:29:18.000 Like, it's not like, you know, you're losing your gourd every day and high as a kite.

00:29:22.000 It's like you can actually function and talk if you have this brain injury that you've sustained.

00:29:26.000 If you have these issues, then you take this and then you can come back to normal and have a conversation.

00:29:32.000 Here it is.

00:29:32.000 Seattle becomes largest U.S. city to decriminalize psychedelics.

00:29:35.000 Yeah, so that's it.

00:29:37.000 So it's Washington State and Oregon.

00:29:38.000 I think it gets a bad rap though because people are like, I gotta go chew these mushrooms.

00:29:41.000 It's like, it's not like that.

00:29:41.000 It's like a pill that you would take like a vitamin.

00:29:43.000 Right.

00:29:44.000 And for people who haven't microdosed, I have, it really, you don't get high.

00:29:48.000 Yeah.

00:29:49.000 It's like a very, very mild elevation of mood, an alleviation of anxiety.

00:29:55.000 Yeah.

00:29:55.000 Psilocybin services will be legalized in Washington state under new bill.

00:29:59.000 So this is just three weeks ago.

00:30:01.000 Okay, so that's what I was referring to.

00:30:03.000 So you were in Tacoma, right?

00:30:05.000 No, Spokane.

00:30:06.000 Spokane, that's right.

00:30:06.000 Spokane, Washington.

00:30:08.000 Spokane is, that's like towards the middle of So there's a mountain range that separates the state of Washington, Seattle's on the coast and the ocean, and then Spokane's on the exact opposite side.

00:30:18.000 Spokane's better weather, right?

00:30:19.000 Yeah, yeah, because that mountain range.

00:30:21.000 Yeah, it rains all the time in Seattle, and then it's like a really dry heat over in Spokane.

00:30:26.000 That's better.

00:30:26.000 I'll take that.

00:30:27.000 That rains for the birds.

00:30:28.000 Yeah, I know.

00:30:29.000 It's depressing.

00:30:30.000 They need the psilocybin over there because they're so depressed because it rains all the time.

00:30:34.000 Yeah, I remember when I was there. 0.99

00:30:36.000 One of my escape from LA trips was Seattle before the shit hit the fan with COVID. I was thinking of taking my family and moving to Seattle. 0.95

00:30:44.000 Yeah.

00:30:44.000 And we looked around there.

00:30:45.000 But I had a buddy of mine who was a coach at 10th Planet in Portland.

00:30:50.000 And we looked at Portland, too.

00:30:52.000 And he had moved up there from LA. And I go, you don't miss California at all.

00:30:55.000 He goes, no, dude, man, it's fucking amazing up here. 0.94

00:30:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:30:57.000 And so I go, well, what about the rain and all that bullshit? 0.99

00:31:00.000 He goes, you know what, man? 0.99

00:31:01.000 You're getting used to it.

00:31:02.000 It's totally normal.

00:31:03.000 I finally went, hmm.

00:31:05.000 So I was thinking about that.

00:31:06.000 Then a year later, I'm training and he's back in L.A. I go, what are you doing, man?

00:31:10.000 He goes, fuck that rain. 1.00

00:31:11.000 I go, oh! 1.00

00:31:12.000 See, my sister lives on the opposite side of say.

00:31:15.000 She lives in Bellevue, which is a few minutes from Seattle.

00:31:18.000 And not minutes.

00:31:19.000 I mean, it's like 20 minutes, whatever traffic.

00:31:20.000 She lives over on the Seattle side.

00:31:22.000 Yeah.

00:31:22.000 And she had to get like a light, like a specific light and like look into it every day because she's not getting the sun, you know, like she's like depressed and like has all this sadness is like because there's no sun.

00:31:33.000 It just rains all the time, you know.

00:31:35.000 Yeah, you don't make like Alice in Chains and Nirvana music if you live in a happy place.

00:31:39.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:31:40.000 It's just that kind of fucking... 0.99

00:31:42.000 But beautiful stuff comes out of there. 1.00

00:31:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:45.000 No, the Pacific Northwest is one of the most beautiful places.

00:31:47.000 So green.

00:31:48.000 Yeah, you know, it's gorgeous.

00:31:49.000 I remember the first time I went to Portland, I was like, God, the grass is like illuminated.

00:31:54.000 Yeah.

00:31:54.000 It's like that's so healthy.

00:31:56.000 Yeah.

00:31:56.000 The grass is like...

00:31:58.000 Like a bright, vibrant green.

00:32:00.000 Well, and where we're from, we have mountains all over the place.

00:32:02.000 You go snowboarding, you go skiing and all that stuff.

00:32:04.000 It's awesome.

00:32:05.000 I moved to the Midwest and they took me like two hours north to the Dells in Wisconsin.

00:32:10.000 And I was like, where's the mountain?

00:32:11.000 They're like, you're looking at it.

00:32:12.000 And I'm like, that's a hill.

00:32:14.000 Where's the mountain?

00:32:15.000 You know, it's like complete contrast.

00:32:17.000 Why did you move there?

00:32:19.000 I mean, the short of it is I got knocked up.

00:32:22.000 I can't leave.

00:32:24.000 But no, the truth is, you know, I had to go there.

00:32:30.000 The UFC sent me there one time for Latino Heritage Month.

00:32:33.000 And I was like, this city's legit.

00:32:34.000 I like drove into Chicago downtown.

00:32:36.000 I saw the skyline.

00:32:37.000 It was like the most beautiful skyline I've ever seen.

00:32:39.000 You know, coming from Spokane, I was like, this place is awesome.

00:32:42.000 And then it smelled like chocolate and pizza.

00:32:44.000 And I was like, I never want to leave.

00:32:46.000 And then, of course, one of my favorites is like Kanye West.

00:32:48.000 And I was like, yeah, I'm going to go to the Chi.

00:32:51.000 And then I was going back to train with Luis Claudio.

00:32:55.000 He's a Hicks and Gracie black belt.

00:32:57.000 And so I went out there with him and I was training with him.

00:33:00.000 And then...

00:33:02.000 I went back to Spokane, and I would come and stay with Luis for a few months, you know, and do my camps.

00:33:06.000 And I was like, if I ever move anywhere, I would totally choose Chicago.

00:33:10.000 And then I met baby daddy, and then I packed my shit after knowing him for two weeks, put it all in the truck, and I was like, I'm here. 0.96

00:33:16.000 After knowing him for two weeks? 0.99

00:33:18.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:33:19.000 Wow.

00:33:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:20.000 I love it.

00:33:21.000 Yeah, and I was nuts.

00:33:22.000 Well, you're a professional fighter.

00:33:23.000 You take chances.

00:33:24.000 Right, yeah.

00:33:25.000 No risk, no reward, right?

00:33:26.000 I wouldn't have my beautiful baby.

00:33:28.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:33:29.000 It worked out.

00:33:29.000 So I'm in Chicago now.

00:33:31.000 But honestly, it couldn't have been a better move career-wise because, you know, in Spokane, I'm top dog.

00:33:36.000 I'm, you know, big fish in a small pond.

00:33:39.000 Chicago is like, welcome to the big leagues.

00:33:42.000 What gym are you training on out there?

00:33:43.000 So that's also the flip side, right?

00:33:46.000 Spokane, one-stop shop.

00:33:47.000 Go to the garage.

00:33:47.000 That's it.

00:33:48.000 Yeah.

00:33:49.000 Chicago, I'm constantly in my car all day long.

00:33:51.000 I have like four different places that I got to go to train.

00:33:54.000 So it's not just one spot.

00:33:57.000 It's like I get my boxing at Gregory Boxing in Muay Thai.

00:33:59.000 I get my MMA, like straight wrestling and MMA at VFS Valley Full of Striking.

00:34:04.000 I got my jujitsu with Luis Claudio at LCCT in Schaumburg.

00:34:08.000 And then I do my strength and conditioning trainer with Alex Spanos at the Northwestern Football Facility.

00:34:13.000 Schomburg is a hike because I used to do the improv out there.

00:34:16.000 Absolutely it is.

00:34:17.000 Especially with that traffic.

00:34:18.000 Yeah.

00:34:18.000 And even Evanston at the Northwestern football team, that campus is far away.

00:34:22.000 So I'm just constantly in my car all day long.

00:34:24.000 That's the benefit of a place like American Top Team.

00:34:27.000 Yeah.

00:34:27.000 You know, what Dan Lambert did down there by dumping a ton of money into that facility.

00:34:31.000 Yeah.

00:34:32.000 I mean, what an amazing opportunity.

00:34:34.000 If you've got a place where you can go where everything is under one roof.

00:34:37.000 Right.

00:34:37.000 God, that's huge.

00:34:38.000 It is.

00:34:39.000 Strength and conditioning, Muay Thai, MMA. And you only got to pay 1% over there.

00:34:43.000 That's it?

00:34:43.000 That's it.

00:34:44.000 1%?

00:34:45.000 1%, yeah. 1.00

00:34:45.000 That's when you're a rich fuck like Dan. 1.00

00:34:47.000 But is it that great, though? 1.00

00:34:49.000 Their greatest ever of all time just left.

00:34:53.000 You didn't see that?

00:34:54.000 No, what are you talking about?

00:34:55.000 Amanda, she's gone.

00:34:56.000 She left? 0.83

00:34:57.000 She left American Top Team. 0.74

00:34:58.000 What?

00:34:59.000 Yeah, she's gone.

00:35:00.000 It was just like last week or two weeks ago, not even.

00:35:02.000 I didn't see that at all.

00:35:03.000 Yeah, she left. 0.67

00:35:04.000 To go where?

00:35:05.000 I guess she's building her own team from scratch, I guess.

00:35:09.000 I love Dan Lambert, though.

00:35:11.000 1%?

00:35:13.000 How could you leave 1%?

00:35:16.000 1% is a great deal.

00:35:17.000 Dan flew me down there when I won the Ultimate Fighter.

00:35:19.000 He put me up in a beautiful house on freaking South Beach and gave me a car and was like, have fun.

00:35:24.000 Maybe talk to baby daddy and take over that spot. 1.00

00:35:27.000 It's a total free state over there.

00:35:30.000 I would love to move to Florida.

00:35:32.000 I know, that's what I'm saying.

00:35:32.000 Could you imagine if you moved into American Top Team after Amanda left?

00:35:36.000 That'd be great.

00:35:37.000 And you trained there for the rematch with all the people that trained with her?

00:35:40.000 I bet Dan likes me better anyways.

00:35:43.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:35:44.000 I'm just kidding.

00:35:45.000 I love Dan Lambert.

00:35:46.000 So do I. He's fucking awesome. 0.97

00:35:47.000 No, he comes to Chicago. 0.99

00:35:48.000 He'd take me to the Cubs game and buy me popcorn and buy me dinner and stuff.

00:35:51.000 Really?

00:35:51.000 Yeah.

00:35:52.000 I mean, he flew me down there.

00:35:53.000 I felt bad because when she pulled out of the fight in August, I saw him at the show and I was like, what's up with your girl?

00:35:59.000 We kind of got into it a little bit, but it was business at that point.

00:36:03.000 But I got nothing but love for Dan Lambert.

00:36:05.000 I think he's a cool guy.

00:36:05.000 What he did was, he set a precedent.

00:36:08.000 I mean, they tried to do that with the Black Zillions, but the guy, he died, right? 1.00

00:36:12.000 Didn't the guy?

00:36:13.000 I don't know, dude.

00:36:14.000 The Black Zillions guy, I think the head guy died.

00:36:16.000 I don't know.

00:36:17.000 But they tried to do that in some other places, but no one's done it like Dan has. 0.99

00:36:21.000 The amount of money, I mean, he built a giant-ass fucking building. 0.99

00:36:24.000 State-of-the-art facility. 1.00

00:36:25.000 Oh, top of the food chain.

00:36:26.000 I think there's another one there.

00:36:27.000 What is it called?

00:36:28.000 Sanford MMA? Yes.

00:36:29.000 I feel like a lot of the people that were at American Top Team are now at Sanford.

00:36:34.000 Well, Sanford, you've got Henry Hooft, who's phenomenal, and you've got so many top-plight athletes down there, too.

00:36:39.000 I bet that's probably a one-stop shot for some of those guys, too.

00:36:42.000 Sure.

00:36:42.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:36:43.000 But I think that was pioneered by Lambert.

00:36:46.000 Him doing that, he dumped so much money in the American top team. 0.99

00:36:50.000 And you know, fighters fucked him over and there was a lot of bullshit, but he kept at it and he kept doing it. 0.95

00:36:57.000 And then now he's got this incredible team with amazing history behind it. 0.99

00:37:03.000 You can't do any better, you know?

00:37:05.000 No.

00:37:05.000 Well, you could.

00:37:06.000 You could go to a little garage in Spokane, Washington in the 509 and still become the champion.

00:37:11.000 I don't know.

00:37:11.000 I'm just saying.

00:37:12.000 I don't mean you can't do better in terms of your results.

00:37:15.000 Sure.

00:37:15.000 I mean, in terms of a place that you can...

00:37:16.000 Yeah, and honestly, it's so nice there.

00:37:19.000 Like, the weather's great.

00:37:19.000 I mean, I would be afraid to live there because I've never experienced living in, like, hurricane season or anything like that.

00:37:23.000 I bet that would be pretty scary.

00:37:25.000 Hurricanes are wild.

00:37:26.000 I've only experienced hurricanes when I lived in Massachusetts. 0.99

00:37:29.000 By the time it gets up there, it's kind of a bullshit hurricane. 0.99

00:37:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:37:32.000 In Florida, they get the full brunt of it.

00:37:34.000 And I don't think I could deal with that.

00:37:36.000 Whew.

00:37:37.000 Yeah.

00:37:37.000 It's scary.

00:37:38.000 I was watching a video the other day of a tornado that had hit.

00:37:41.000 They were in Florida, and a tornado hit, like, across the river from this guy's house.

00:37:47.000 There's, like, some body of water.

00:37:48.000 And across the river from this guy's house, they're looking out the window, and they're watching this tornado just drop down and fucks the house up and then takes off.

00:37:54.000 Yeah.

00:37:55.000 Just recently, right?

00:37:56.000 Was it Kentucky?

00:37:57.000 There was a bunch of tornadoes that over 100 people killed.

00:38:00.000 Horrible.

00:38:01.000 Did you ever see what that one looked like?

00:38:03.000 This is what's crazy about that one.

00:38:04.000 It came in the middle of the night, and it was lightning.

00:38:08.000 So these people were driving, and then lightning would flash, and through the lightning, because the sky was illuminated, you'd see this funnel cloud that's as wide as 30 blocks. 0.96

00:38:19.000 You're like, what the fuck is that? 0.91

00:38:22.000 And it's just... 0.99

00:38:25.000 And you can't even predict which way it's going to go, left or right.

00:38:28.000 Imagine being in your car, and you don't know what's going on, and you hear there's a tornado warning, and then the lightning and thunder flash, and you see it in the distance. 0.97

00:38:36.000 Like, holy shit! 0.93

00:38:37.000 Yeah, it reminds me of that movie Twister. 1.00

00:38:39.000 And not only that, but let's just say, Mother Nature is a son of a gun. 1.00

00:38:44.000 She's a bitch. 1.00

00:38:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:46.000 But she's also awesome.

00:38:47.000 She is.

00:38:47.000 It's like, it's so chaotic.

00:38:50.000 Right.

00:38:51.000 What can possibly happen that, you know, the sky can turn into a funnel cloud that flattens everything in front of it.

00:38:58.000 See, and there's a part of me that thinks that like one day we're going to wake up and it's just going to be like...

00:39:01.000 Oh, this is it.

00:39:01.000 This is it.

00:39:01.000 Watch this.

00:39:02.000 Watch this, because this is so crazy.

00:39:03.000 Watch this.

00:39:04.000 So imagine your car and you hear the lightning and thunder and you see that.

00:39:07.000 Real life twister.

00:39:08.000 Yeah.

00:39:12.000 Oh.

00:39:12.000 My.

00:39:13.000 Gosh.

00:39:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:14.000 Look at the size of that fucking thing. 1.00

00:39:17.000 So that was what came through and just destroyed. 0.99

00:39:22.000 So imagine that person driving.

00:39:23.000 Yeah, right?

00:39:23.000 And you're looking off to your right and you see imminent death.

00:39:27.000 And you don't know how fast it's going.

00:39:28.000 It's probably so hard to judge because you only get to see it through the flashes of lightning.

00:39:33.000 And it's so common there where they're like, get to the cellar!

00:39:36.000 You know?

00:39:37.000 I know. 1.00

00:39:37.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:39:38.000 Can you imagine you don't have a cellar? 1.00

00:39:39.000 Your house is just flattened?

00:39:40.000 Like, horrible.

00:39:41.000 Horrible.

00:39:42.000 I feel horrible for those people.

00:39:43.000 Like, golly.

00:39:44.000 Did you ever see what it looked like after the impact?

00:39:47.000 The entire town was gone.

00:39:49.000 Well, there was, I mean, in Chicago, there's sometimes tornadoes.

00:39:52.000 I think, like, one of the places got hit there, Naperville got hit, and I saw some houses flattened over there, and I was like, that's kind of scary because I live, you know, pretty close to the area.

00:40:04.000 So...

00:40:06.000 And obviously the only thing that I've ever worried about in Chicago is just how bitter cold it is.

00:40:10.000 You know, it smacks you in the face and it's just like the wind will take you away.

00:40:14.000 That's not Spokane cold.

00:40:16.000 No, it's not.

00:40:16.000 See, and that's the difference.

00:40:17.000 I was like, oh, when I moved to Chicago, I'm used to this.

00:40:19.000 You know, I'm from Spokane.

00:40:20.000 I'm from the Pacific Northwest.

00:40:21.000 Are you kidding me?

00:40:21.000 But like Chicago's a different level.

00:40:24.000 It is a different level.

00:40:25.000 It's like piercing your skin cold.

00:40:27.000 Yeah.

00:40:28.000 People that think New York City is cold, try Chicago in January.

00:40:31.000 I know.

00:40:32.000 Well, I'm there right now.

00:40:33.000 I just came back from being in places not as cold like L.A. and I come back to Chicago.

00:40:38.000 I'm like, why do I live here?

00:40:39.000 This is horrible.

00:40:40.000 It just makes you angry.

00:40:42.000 Does your baby daddy work there?

00:40:44.000 Yeah.

00:40:44.000 He's a police officer.

00:40:45.000 Oh, okay.

00:40:46.000 So, whatever.

00:40:47.000 I know.

00:40:48.000 What am I going to do?

00:40:49.000 It's a rough place to be a cop. 1.00

00:40:50.000 A lot of shit goes down in Chicago. 1.00

00:40:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:53.000 Yeah.

00:40:53.000 It does.

00:40:54.000 Exactly.

00:40:55.000 Another reason why I'm like, why do I live here?

00:40:57.000 I come from a place where you can leave the doors unlocked and you're relatively probably safe.

00:41:02.000 Chicago's like, don't answer the door.

00:41:03.000 Lock everything up.

00:41:04.000 Head on a swivel.

00:41:05.000 Don't look down at your phone when you're walking anywhere.

00:41:07.000 It's hard to get a gun there, too.

00:41:09.000 It's like their gun laws are really tight, even though everybody has a gun.

00:41:13.000 Isn't that weird?

00:41:15.000 It's so weird.

00:41:16.000 It's not.

00:41:17.000 It's normal.

00:41:18.000 It's like there's remedies that people put in place.

00:41:22.000 There's laws that people put in place that they think they're helping people and they're just making problems worse.

00:41:26.000 Criminals don't pay attention to laws.

00:41:28.000 So you make laws that criminals don't pay attention to, that keep ordinary citizens from protecting themselves, you're always going to have problems.

00:41:36.000 Yeah.

00:41:37.000 It's just like they think they're doing a good thing.

00:41:39.000 Yeah.

00:41:39.000 But statistically, it's not good.

00:41:42.000 Yeah.

00:41:42.000 If you look at gun violence, it's the places oftentimes that have the strictest gun laws that have the most gun violence.

00:41:48.000 Yeah.

00:41:49.000 So I was like a day before Christmas trying to get some shopping done before I had to leave and take off.

00:41:54.000 And I was in Oak Brook, which is not the city, not downtown Chicago.

00:41:59.000 And I look up and like Lori Lightfoot, the mayor, is like standing 10 feet away from me.

00:42:05.000 And I was like, this is crazy.

00:42:06.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 She had her mask down here.

00:42:08.000 Did you believe that?

00:42:09.000 Below her nose? 0.60

00:42:10.000 Yeah, she didn't have her mask on.

00:42:11.000 I know.

00:42:12.000 Anyways, so, and I'm not trying to be the mask police because I think they're BS anyways, but I was like, wow, really?

00:42:19.000 We can't even go into a restaurant without showing, you know, our papers.

00:42:23.000 And this chick's, you know, dropping the hammer on everybody and she don't even have her mask on? 1.00

00:42:28.000 She's a terrible, terrible mayor. 0.98

00:42:30.000 Okay, so regardless, okay, I leave the mall and I go. 0.95

00:42:35.000 I was so hungry.

00:42:37.000 I went in the same parking lot to a restaurant. 0.89

00:42:40.000 Five seconds later, my phone's blowing up like ridiculous.

00:42:43.000 And there was a shooting.

00:42:44.000 Two people had just got shot in the same parking lot at Nordstrom's that I had just left. 1.00

00:42:48.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:42:49.000 And I'm just like, why do I live here? 0.99

00:42:52.000 This is stuff I would never have to worry about.

00:42:54.000 So Chicago's the real deal.

00:42:57.000 Welcome to the jungle when you go over there.

00:42:58.000 It's kind of freaky.

00:42:59.000 Have you talked to him about moving?

00:43:02.000 He would never.

00:43:03.000 It's only me that has to pack up all my stuff and say goodbye to my family.

00:43:07.000 I'm the only one that would do something like that.

00:43:10.000 So yeah, forget it.

00:43:11.000 His whole family lives there.

00:43:12.000 He's not going anywhere.

00:43:14.000 Chicago people love Chicago.

00:43:15.000 And I do too, because there's a culture there that is incredible.

00:43:20.000 They're great people.

00:43:21.000 Great.

00:43:22.000 The nicest.

00:43:22.000 They talk to you.

00:43:23.000 You don't even know these people.

00:43:24.000 They just inject themselves in your business and all of a sudden your friends.

00:43:27.000 That's the beautiful thing about Chicago.

00:43:28.000 It's a big city, but it has a small town mentality in terms of how people are friendly.

00:43:33.000 Yeah.

00:43:33.000 Very unusual.

00:43:34.000 The food's a problem.

00:43:36.000 It's so good.

00:43:38.000 It's so good.

00:43:39.000 And Dana told me that when I told him I was moving to Chicago.

00:43:41.000 He's like, babe.

00:43:42.000 He's like, the food's a problem.

00:43:43.000 I was like, no, no, it's good.

00:43:45.000 He's like, I'm telling you, the food's a problem.

00:43:48.000 And he was right.

00:43:49.000 I gained like 15 pounds when I first moved there.

00:43:51.000 Did you eat that deep dish?

00:43:52.000 I eat it all.

00:43:53.000 Just put it in front of me.

00:43:54.000 I'm like, Mikey, he'll eat it.

00:43:56.000 I will eat whatever you put in front of me.

00:43:59.000 You ever thought about going up to 45 and challenging Amanda for her other title?

00:44:04.000 I've thought about it.

00:44:05.000 We can do that dance.

00:44:06.000 But everybody knows the 45 division's BS anyways.

00:44:08.000 What do they got there?

00:44:09.000 Nothing.

00:44:10.000 Well, if Kayla Harrison comes over.

00:44:12.000 She ain't coming over.

00:44:13.000 You don't think so?

00:44:13.000 No, no, no.

00:44:14.000 Why don't you think so?

00:44:15.000 Well, they wanted her to come over.

00:44:17.000 First off, can she even make 45? 0.86

00:44:18.000 They're going to have to create another division for her at 55, I think, or 65, or whatever she fights at. 1.00

00:44:23.000 I bet if someone like Mike Dolce got a hold of her and put her through, maybe she works for them right now. 0.99

00:44:29.000 Maybe I'm talking out of my ass. 0.99

00:44:30.000 No, you might not be. 1.00

00:44:31.000 George Lockhart.

00:44:32.000 Yeah.

00:44:32.000 A nutritionist?

00:44:33.000 I'm sure she could.

00:44:34.000 It would be miserable, but of course, I'm sure she could.

00:44:36.000 It would be miserable. 0.99

00:44:37.000 But I mean, people accomplish wild shit when it comes to weight. 0.99

00:44:41.000 I mean, how about Paulo Costa? 0.99

00:44:43.000 How the fuck has that guy ever made 185 pounds? 0.91

00:44:46.000 I have no idea, and I don't think he's made it since. 0.99

00:44:48.000 Didn't he?

00:44:49.000 Yeah, like he just missed weight this last fight, right?

00:44:51.000 I think Adesanya's fight took a real toll on him mentally.

00:44:54.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:44:55.000 And wasn't he like, I was drunk and drinking wine.

00:44:58.000 You don't deserve to win then.

00:45:00.000 There were so many excuses and it was the way that Israel beat him. 1.00

00:45:04.000 Right.

00:45:04.000 I mean, Izzy just lit him up like a Christmas tree.

00:45:07.000 Right.

00:45:07.000 That was not a competitive fight by any stretch of the imagination.

00:45:10.000 No.

00:45:11.000 And I think when you're a guy who steamrolls everybody and walks down Yoel Romero.

00:45:15.000 Yeah.

00:45:15.000 And you look like a just destroyer.

00:45:17.000 Right.

00:45:17.000 And then this skinny dude just lights you up.

00:45:20.000 Right. 1.00

00:45:20.000 And fucks you up and then dry humps you from behind when he's beating you up. 1.00

00:45:24.000 Not a good look. 1.00

00:45:27.000 And then Marvin Vittori beat him up, too.

00:45:29.000 That was a good fight, though. 0.99

00:45:30.000 That was a close fight, but Marvin Vittori's a fucking bull, that guy. 0.99

00:45:34.000 There's another one. 1.00

00:45:35.000 How the fuck is that guy 185 pounds? 0.99

00:45:37.000 I stand next to him like, how are you? 0.99

00:45:39.000 You're a heavyweight. 0.99

00:45:40.000 How the fuck are you 185 pounds? 1.00

00:45:42.000 They're so big. 1.00

00:45:43.000 Yeah, I just know that I heard, anyhow, from one of my friends who is signed with the PFL, that she was going to stay with the PFL. And then I think yesterday they said that they signed a new deal and that I believe that she's staying with the PFL. She should, if she makes good money.

00:45:57.000 Yeah, she's won, what, the million dollar tournament twice. 0.88

00:46:00.000 Yeah, good for her.

00:46:01.000 If it don't make money, it don't make sense.

00:46:03.000 Keep making your money, sweetheart. 0.91

00:46:04.000 That's the thing about these other organizations.

00:46:06.000 One thing about the UFC has so much prestige and everybody wants to be the UFC champ.

00:46:11.000 It's the number one organization in MMA by far.

00:46:14.000 But these other organizations, they have to cut their profit margins down and pay people more in order to get people over there.

00:46:21.000 So I think that's great.

00:46:22.000 Well, and that's what I was just talking about yesterday.

00:46:25.000 Some of these people don't care whether they're going to make 8-8 or 10-10 because they're like, I'm a UFC fighter.

00:46:31.000 It's the prestige of being a UFC fighter.

00:46:33.000 And back in the day, I would have been like, no way, I'm totally going to the UFC, you know?

00:46:37.000 But then it's like, now that I'm older, I'm like, no, if it don't make money, it don't make sense.

00:46:42.000 And Gilbert Melendez was always telling me that.

00:46:44.000 And he was right, you know?

00:46:47.000 And that's the other thing, too.

00:46:48.000 These other organizations, they need to pay their fighters to lock them down so that they don't feel like they gotta go elsewhere.

00:46:54.000 But they gotta pay the fighters.

00:46:56.000 And also, who cares about where you're fighting as long as you're making the money?

00:47:00.000 Yeah.

00:47:01.000 I mean, if you are a professional fighter, that is what you're supposed to be doing.

00:47:05.000 You're supposed to be trying to make the most amount possible.

00:47:06.000 But if you're doing it for your legacy, there's a thing about these great fighters that never compete against UFC fighters. 0.94

00:47:14.000 So you're like, goddammit.

00:47:15.000 If Fedor had fought in the UFC when Kane was in his prime, do you know how big that would have been?

00:47:20.000 Yeah.

00:47:21.000 How fucking huge that would have been if they had made that deal and Fedor came over and he fought Kane in his prime.

00:47:28.000 I always wished that Fedor would come to the US. Why couldn't they make a deal? 0.87

00:47:33.000 It was hard to make a deal.

00:47:34.000 There was a lot of craziness on both sides, I'm sure.

00:47:37.000 I don't know the exact specifics, but I know they tried.

00:47:40.000 Yeah.

00:47:40.000 They wanted to make a deal with him, for sure.

00:47:43.000 Oh, for sure, yeah.

00:47:43.000 What was that, M1 that governs him?

00:47:45.000 I believe so, yeah.

00:47:47.000 They were very strict, but obviously impossible to make a deal.

00:47:51.000 Well, they knew that he was an international superstar, and that wasn't the case with anybody else over there.

00:47:57.000 Yeah, he's like the Yao Ming of Russia. 0.88

00:47:59.000 Yeah.

00:47:59.000 I mean, he was, you know, when he was in his prime, when he was running things in Pride, there was nobody like Fedor.

00:48:05.000 No one.

00:48:06.000 He's my favorite fighter of all time, for sure.

00:48:08.000 Number one.

00:48:08.000 He's up there, for sure.

00:48:10.000 Yeah.

00:48:10.000 I mean, that guy, when he was at the top of his game, was so complete.

00:48:15.000 I mean, he would lightning-fast submissions.

00:48:18.000 He walked down Crow Cop in basically mostly a stand-up fight. 0.73

00:48:22.000 Right. 0.99

00:48:22.000 Beat the shit out of Noguera in his prime. 0.99

00:48:25.000 I mean, he was a monster. 1.00

00:48:26.000 He was. 0.82

00:48:27.000 When he was at the top, He was extraordinary.

00:48:30.000 And the guy's still fighting, which is crazy.

00:48:32.000 Isn't he scheduled to fight really soon in Bellator?

00:48:34.000 In Bellator, right?

00:48:34.000 Yeah.

00:48:35.000 Like, real soon.

00:48:35.000 Yeah.

00:48:36.000 It's so funny.

00:48:36.000 He came to Chicago and fought, and I was like, this is my only chance to get a picture with him.

00:48:41.000 So I just stormed him right as he was walking out of the cage, and I got a selfie with him.

00:48:44.000 He's like, get this chick away from me. 1.00

00:48:46.000 But that's my only picture of him.

00:48:47.000 And it's so funny because he was in Chicago, and Wayne, my coach, Gregory, asked me to come to the gym that day.

00:48:54.000 And I was like, I can't, you know, because I was like stalking the hotel waiting to see Fedor.

00:48:59.000 This guy didn't even tell me.

00:49:00.000 Fedor came to our gym and did a private in the back area of the gym and he was basically telling me to come to the gym because he knew Fedor was going to be there but he didn't tell me that he was going to be there.

00:49:10.000 So of course I'm waiting to stalk Fedor and he was at the gym the whole time.

00:49:14.000 So the only picture I got of him was me trying to get a quick selfie after he won and he's just like...

00:49:20.000 Stiff army out of here.

00:49:21.000 Yeah, he's literally like get the heck away from me.

00:49:23.000 You could have got a perfect picture.

00:49:25.000 I could have got a perfect one.

00:49:26.000 It was like a dream come true that never happened.

00:49:28.000 I'm still depressed about it honestly.

00:49:30.000 It's like the greatest of all time.

00:49:32.000 Who is he supposed to fight?

00:49:33.000 I have no idea.

00:49:34.000 Find out Fedor's next fight.

00:49:36.000 I guess he just still enjoys it.

00:49:38.000 He at one point in time was thinking of retiring.

00:49:41.000 I think he contemplated.

00:49:42.000 He did retire at one point, right?

00:49:43.000 Yeah.

00:49:44.000 But you never know with fighters when they say they're retiring.

00:49:46.000 Is it a business deal that you're retiring from?

00:49:48.000 Do you have an injury?

00:49:50.000 I know so many fighters that are retired that come back.

00:49:52.000 Most.

00:49:53.000 But that's why I really appreciate the ones who don't.

00:49:57.000 The ones who say, that's it, I'm done, and then they walk away forever at the top of the game like Andre Ward.

00:50:03.000 He's the best example.

00:50:05.000 Undefeated, two-division champion, Olympic gold medalist.

00:50:08.000 He's like, that's it.

00:50:09.000 See ya.

00:50:10.000 Or even, I don't even want to say his name because I am still angry about him not giving me any credit and actually talking crap about me, but Khabib, he retired on his own terms. 0.76

00:50:20.000 Khabib talked crap about, what did he say?

00:50:20.000 Yeah, he was just like telling, like, I saw in a presser, they asked him a question and he was just completely downgrading the whole win and everything like that.

00:50:29.000 What?

00:50:30.000 Downgrading your win?

00:50:30.000 Yeah, it totally broke my heart, but I will say, he went out on his own terms and he said he was done and, you know, he's done.

00:50:38.000 Why would he...

00:50:39.000 I know.

00:50:39.000 I was like, dude, you're breaking my heart, man.

00:50:42.000 Like, I freaking love you.

00:50:43.000 Like, seriously.

00:50:44.000 Like, ugh. 0.99

00:50:45.000 Not only that, if you watched that win, how the fuck could anybody say anything bad about that? 0.99

00:50:49.000 He must be friends with Kayla Harrison or something. 0.99

00:50:51.000 I don't know.

00:50:52.000 Because he was like, if this is the top of the women's division, it's a joke. 0.94

00:50:56.000 I mean, it wasn't very nice.

00:50:58.000 I didn't appreciate it, Khabib. 1.00

00:51:00.000 It was weird to watch Amanda fold so quickly. 0.98

00:51:03.000 Like, get her tired so quickly.

00:51:05.000 Yeah.

00:51:05.000 She's never tapped before, ever.

00:51:07.000 Really?

00:51:08.000 Never.

00:51:08.000 Just never tapped.

00:51:09.000 Wow.

00:51:09.000 Just tapped quick too.

00:51:10.000 Yeah.

00:51:11.000 Were you under the chin?

00:51:13.000 Absolutely.

00:51:13.000 Yeah.

00:51:14.000 Yes.

00:51:14.000 It's hard to tell from that angle because you were smarter than her.

00:51:17.000 Yeah.

00:51:18.000 No, my shoulder blade.

00:51:19.000 You didn't even have your hooks in though.

00:51:19.000 No.

00:51:20.000 No hooks, no problem.

00:51:23.000 That's like the first thing that they teach you in Jiu-Jitsu.

00:51:25.000 Well, at least that's where they do in 509 in the garage.

00:51:28.000 That's what they teach us up at Jiu-Jitsu.

00:51:31.000 Back of the shoulder, right on the back of that brain stem there.

00:51:34.000 Yeah.

00:51:34.000 I was absolutely underneath the chin.

00:51:36.000 Yeah.

00:51:38.000 They're like, she quit.

00:51:39.000 Like, quitting and tapping.

00:51:40.000 What's the difference?

00:51:41.000 If you tap, you're quitting.

00:51:42.000 If you quit, you tap.

00:51:43.000 You had her.

00:51:44.000 That's all it was.

00:51:45.000 But she was so tired.

00:51:48.000 It was crazy.

00:51:49.000 It was almost like...

00:51:50.000 She took a lot of shots. 1.00

00:51:51.000 Oh yeah, not just that.

00:51:52.000 She took a lot of shots. 1.00

00:51:53.000 She took a lot of heavy shots. 0.99

00:51:54.000 Heavy shots.

00:51:55.000 That jab was thunder.

00:51:57.000 You were cracking her with that jab. 0.99

00:51:58.000 But on top of that, it was also like, oh my god, I'm losing.

00:52:02.000 She was realizing, oh my god, the anxiety. 0.99

00:52:05.000 She had to realize she's getting fucked up. 1.00

00:52:07.000 Well, and it's so crazy. 0.99

00:52:08.000 There's state-of-the-art cameras and everything in the UFC, and no one's getting the right angles that they should have been.

00:52:13.000 In the first round, I had her in a straight arm lock. 1.00

00:52:16.000 I was like sakuraba-ing that thing.

00:52:18.000 I was literally thinking, I'm going to get the first ever win by straight arm lock in the UFC. I was like, this is over.

00:52:24.000 I got her. 0.99

00:52:25.000 I just see her pissing in her pants in the back of me like, holy crap, I got to get out of this. 1.00

00:52:30.000 And then she got out and then I switched to attacking the Kimura and then it ended around. 0.99

00:52:36.000 But I was like coming up from that first round.

00:52:38.000 I'm like, I got this.

00:52:39.000 And then everyone's like, how did you feel knowing that you lost the first round going into the second?

00:52:43.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:52:44.000 Like, I won the first round.

00:52:45.000 You know, and that's just my opinion.

00:52:47.000 Well, I think if you threaten with submissions from your back, that should count for a lot.

00:52:53.000 Like, that's a real close submission.

00:52:54.000 And even with the Kimura, that was very dangerous.

00:52:57.000 There's not enough, like, people have this idea that if you try for a submission and then you don't get it, then it doesn't mean anything.

00:53:04.000 No, it does.

00:53:04.000 You're attacking.

00:53:06.000 You're not just attacking.

00:53:06.000 And you're in trouble.

00:53:07.000 If I'm attacking, you're in trouble.

00:53:08.000 Exactly.

00:53:09.000 I think it should be like almost getting rocked.

00:53:11.000 Like, very similar.

00:53:12.000 Yes.

00:53:13.000 Yeah, and she was rocked on the feet.

00:53:14.000 I could see her eyes were as big as plates, and she was like, oh, F. You know what I mean?

00:53:20.000 And I could see, like, yeah.

00:53:22.000 I'm trying not to cuss, right?

00:53:24.000 It's like so hard.

00:53:24.000 I think we've already cussed.

00:53:26.000 I might have said, you know, pissing.

00:53:28.000 I'm sorry, Mom.

00:53:29.000 I'm trying so hard not to cuss.

00:53:30.000 Why are you trying not to cuss?

00:53:31.000 Because I'm, like, trying to...

00:53:34.000 There's a certain part of me where I want to be the real Juliana, you know?

00:53:38.000 Especially here in Joe Rogan.

00:53:40.000 But then there's another side where it's like there's people that are listening to you.

00:53:43.000 There's little kids, you know what I mean?

00:53:44.000 There's like, you know, trying to be like...

00:53:47.000 Come to wait for the beeped out version.

00:53:50.000 Yeah, so I'm just trying to walk a fine line here.

00:53:53.000 Well, I appreciate that.

00:53:54.000 I appreciate that.

00:53:55.000 When you look back on the fight, did it play out the way you felt like it was going to play out?

00:54:01.000 Yes.

00:54:01.000 Exactly.

00:54:02.000 Absolutely.

00:54:03.000 Yeah.

00:54:03.000 I wasn't sure exactly how, and I wasn't sure when, but I knew without a doubt that I was going to win.

00:54:09.000 You know, one of the things that everybody says about Amanda is her power is shocking. 0.99

00:54:13.000 Did you feel that her power was shocking?

00:54:17.000 Well, we have to cut back to the way that I grew up for me to answer that question properly.

00:54:22.000 In the 80s, you know, people wore those knee-high socks with like the two stripes on them, right?

00:54:27.000 The tube socks.

00:54:28.000 My brother would pack more socks in the bottom of this tube sock and pack it real tight and swing it around.

00:54:33.000 He'd call us sock bombs.

00:54:35.000 And he beat the heck out of us with these sock bombs. 0.99

00:54:38.000 Like, if you can take a sock bomb punch, you can take a real punch punch, you know? 0.99

00:54:42.000 And so I've been getting my ass kicked my entire life. 1.00

00:54:46.000 Does she hit hard? 1.00

00:54:47.000 Sure.

00:54:47.000 But can I take it?

00:54:49.000 Yes.

00:54:49.000 Am I the type of person that can take it?

00:54:50.000 Yes.

00:54:51.000 Have you seen this big chin?

00:54:53.000 I got it.

00:54:55.000 Well, you had a very good high guard, too.

00:54:57.000 You kept your hands in good position.

00:54:59.000 You were very defensively responsible in that fight.

00:55:02.000 It's Wayne Gregory.

00:55:03.000 Wayne Gregory has changed my game.

00:55:05.000 And again, that's one of the great things about moving to Chicago.

00:55:08.000 I would have never met Wayne.

00:55:09.000 I would have never met the team that I have now without moving there.

00:55:13.000 The team that I have around me right now is extraordinary.

00:55:16.000 The other thing that was interesting about that fight was her last two fights before that, Megan Anderson and Cyborg.

00:55:23.000 Was it Megan Anderson and Cyborg, were they back-to-back?

00:55:25.000 I think so, in the 45 division, yeah.

00:55:27.000 Yeah, so both of her fights were at 45. She hadn't defended 35 in quite a while, right?

00:55:32.000 Two years, yeah.

00:55:33.000 So making that extra 10 pounds is probably a big deal.

00:55:38.000 She looked very lean at the weigh-ins, like leaner than you ever see her before.

00:55:41.000 Lean and she showed up all half naked and she was ready to go.

00:55:45.000 She was in the best shape of her life, it looked like.

00:55:47.000 She looked ripped. 0.90

00:55:48.000 Yeah, she looked ripped.

00:55:50.000 But, you know, oftentimes when people haven't cut weight and then they have to, you know, you see like there's a difference in like where your body bounces back from that.

00:56:00.000 Yeah.

00:56:00.000 Well, her focus in her camp was two fights.

00:56:03.000 I got to make weight and then I got to worry about Juliana.

00:56:06.000 My focus was all I have to do is worry about Amanda. 0.94

00:56:08.000 That's it.

00:56:09.000 That was my only fight.

00:56:10.000 That was my sole focus.

00:56:11.000 Her sole focus is I got to be miserable for the next three months because I got to make weight and make sure that I'm up to par.

00:56:17.000 And me, I've been grinding the whole time.

00:56:19.000 So I was like, all I got to focus on is just her.

00:56:22.000 And everybody was aware of the Kayla fight.

00:56:23.000 Everybody was aware that Kayla was in the audience and they were trying to set that fight up.

00:56:27.000 And how dare they, right?

00:56:28.000 Because Kayla is talking about how she's training partners with Amanda and how she learns so much from Amanda and how amazing Amanda is as a training partner and how she has just learned so much from the champ.

00:56:42.000 And so I'm so confused because you want Amanda to win so that you can fight your friend?

00:56:47.000 Well, they just want to get paid.

00:56:48.000 Yeah.

00:56:49.000 Well, she's getting paid more than I am making the millions over there at the PFL. I think the idea was that, and I'm just guessing, that Amanda, you know, this worldwide recognition is the greatest woman fighter of all time.

00:57:03.000 And then you get, if she beat you, then you get this giant super fight with this Olympic judo medalist who seems like, you know, when you look at Kayla, she seems like a threat.

00:57:15.000 Like you go, okay, well Amanda's this like super strong, like really good grappler, knockout puncher. 1.00

00:57:21.000 Kayla is such an elite judoka. 0.98

00:57:25.000 She's so good. 0.99

00:57:26.000 And she's so fucking strong. 0.99

00:57:28.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

00:57:29.000 They go, that could be a giant super fight.

00:57:32.000 I think they probably thought if she came over to the UFC, they would have the biggest female fight of all time. 1.00

00:57:37.000 Yeah, well, I really messed that up, didn't I? You fucked that thing up good. 0.98

00:57:41.000 Who needs enemies with friends like these? 0.96

00:57:45.000 Especially with Kayla and Amanda being training partners and hugging each other and now they're going to fight each other. 0.94

00:57:51.000 Come on, it's ridiculous. 0.95

00:57:52.000 But if Kayla wants to come over to the UFC and make weight, let's pack your lunch, chick. 1.00

00:57:56.000 Make 35, you mean?

00:57:58.000 35, 45, whatever you guys want to do.

00:58:00.000 You'll fight her at 45?

00:58:02.000 Yeah, I mean, all I can say, like we already established, if it don't make money, it don't make sense.

00:58:07.000 And what's the job of a fighter, especially with the window being this small and your opportunity being this small?

00:58:11.000 I've got to jump through a window this little.

00:58:13.000 My job is to make as much money as possible.

00:58:16.000 So, pay me! 0.96

00:58:17.000 I'll fight whoever you...

00:58:18.000 I'll fight Fedor!

00:58:20.000 Pay me! 0.96

00:58:21.000 Just pay me! 1.00

00:58:22.000 I hear you.

00:58:23.000 You know, I feel like I'm not asking for too much, especially now that I'm a champion.

00:58:26.000 I've been saving my silver bullets this entire time.

00:58:29.000 And now that I got it, it's like, I want to get paid.

00:58:31.000 Is that too much to ask?

00:58:32.000 I mean, as a professional, don't you feel like you should?

00:58:36.000 Of course, there's flip side.

00:58:38.000 No one's holding a gun up to your head.

00:58:39.000 No one's making you fight.

00:58:40.000 No, but I'm a professional.

00:58:42.000 You know, and I'm at the height of my game.

00:58:44.000 I'm the champion.

00:58:45.000 I'm at the top of my league, you know, pay me.

00:58:47.000 Also, you have a child.

00:58:48.000 You have a future.

00:58:50.000 You have a window of opportunity with fighting that doesn't last very long.

00:58:54.000 I mean, it's one of the smallest windows of opportunity for an elite professional athlete.

00:58:58.000 I've got to hold on to this little chunk of money that I have for the rest of my life.

00:59:02.000 I feel like I'm not asking for too much.

00:59:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:06.000 I just want what's fair.

00:59:07.000 I think if you beat Amanda again at 35...

00:59:10.000 Excuse me.

00:59:12.000 When?

00:59:12.000 Yes.

00:59:13.000 At 35, and then you fight her for the 45-pound title. 1.00

00:59:16.000 Yes.

00:59:16.000 That would be crazy.

00:59:17.000 That would be like bullying.

00:59:18.000 Well, somebody suggested, well, what if she doesn't decide to take the fight with you and decides to take an easier fight at 45 and retires off into the sunset?

00:59:26.000 Like, she can't.

00:59:26.000 She can't do that.

00:59:27.000 She would look like the biggest coward on earth. 0.98

00:59:31.000 Sometimes people just get worn out by the pressure, too, though. 0.99

00:59:34.000 That's a factor.

00:59:36.000 Yep.

00:59:36.000 How hard is it to go do your road work when you're waking up in silk pajamas every morning?

00:59:40.000 That's Marvin Hagler.

00:59:41.000 You know?

00:59:41.000 He's another guy who walked away in his prime.

00:59:43.000 Yeah.

00:59:44.000 Good for Marvin. 0.76

00:59:45.000 But, I mean, it's got to be difficult.

00:59:47.000 You're sitting on 10 mil in the bank.

00:59:49.000 The motivation is just not there.

00:59:52.000 I guess.

00:59:52.000 It depends on what your motivation is because it never stopped Floyd Mayweather.

00:59:56.000 I know, isn't he incredible?

00:59:57.000 He's incredible.

00:59:58.000 He still trains and stuff and he's still doing it.

01:00:00.000 He still never got fat, always fit.

01:00:03.000 You know, Floyd would go to a nightclub and then leave the nightclub and have his drivers drive the car home and he would run behind the car.

01:00:11.000 That's awesome. 1.00

01:00:11.000 Run miles in his fucking jeans and sneakers and shit. 1.00

01:00:14.000 That's one guy I would just die to meet. 1.00

01:00:16.000 I would love to meet him.

01:00:17.000 His motivation apparently, I mean, obviously he loves money.

01:00:20.000 His motivation is most certainly money.

01:00:22.000 I think that's why I love him is because he loves money so much.

01:00:25.000 And he does it good, you know what I mean?

01:00:28.000 He's styling and profiling.

01:00:30.000 Yeah.

01:00:30.000 He's always involved in these strange things.

01:00:33.000 He's in Dubai all the time, involved in these weird NFT deals and stuff.

01:00:37.000 He's a fascinating character because he literally never lost his motivation, even though he was worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

01:00:45.000 He's been so brilliant in taking these fights against guys like Conor McGregor, Logan Paul.

01:00:53.000 He's very intelligent.

01:00:55.000 He knows what he's doing, absolutely.

01:00:56.000 If I could pick his brain, man, that would be awesome.

01:00:59.000 Yeah.

01:00:59.000 Well, you know, he became Money Mayweather when he used to be Pretty Boy Floyd.

01:01:04.000 Like, he was a different fighter when you first saw him fight.

01:01:07.000 Yeah.

01:01:08.000 And he became more exciting with, like, less exciting performances because he was smarter defensively.

01:01:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:01:16.000 But he talked so much shit that everybody wanted him to lose. 1.00

01:01:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:01:19.000 Well, and boxing is a very particular thing, too, right? 1.00

01:01:22.000 So they build these guys up 30-0, and they make sure everything's got to be tailor-made, perfect for your fighter.

01:01:28.000 And that's where I think real MMA fighting differs from boxing.

01:01:33.000 It's like you get thrown to the lion's den right away.

01:01:37.000 Especially in the UFC, right?

01:01:38.000 Yeah, no F's giving.

01:01:39.000 It's like, we're giving you a fight, you don't want to take it?

01:01:41.000 No problem.

01:01:42.000 There's a thousand other people that will take it.

01:01:43.000 How many fights did you have outside the UFC before you came to the UFC? Like five.

01:01:47.000 Five.

01:01:48.000 Wow, that is wild.

01:01:49.000 Yeah.

01:01:50.000 So your entire professional career, other than those five fights, have all been in the biggest organization?

01:01:55.000 I think five.

01:01:56.000 Something like that.

01:01:57.000 Yeah, very little.

01:01:59.000 I went pro after two amateur fights, and then I think I took like three pro fights, and then that was it.

01:02:05.000 Okay.

01:02:05.000 How old were you when you first started martial arts training?

01:02:08.000 19 years old.

01:02:08.000 I threw my first punch at 19. Well, I threw my first official punch at 19 years old.

01:02:12.000 And what style was that?

01:02:14.000 It was a woman's cardio kickboxing class. 0.98

01:02:17.000 And this is a God honest truth.

01:02:19.000 I was like, how do you get your start?

01:02:20.000 I was like, I'll just be honest with you.

01:02:21.000 I was fat.

01:02:21.000 I was overweight.

01:02:23.000 And I needed to lose some weight.

01:02:24.000 And my sister didn't want to go to the class by herself. 1.00

01:02:26.000 And so she invited me and I wasn't doing anything.

01:02:28.000 I mean, I was working, obviously.

01:02:31.000 And at that time, I was a know-it-all.

01:02:33.000 I moved out at 17, like, can't tell me nothing, Mom and Dad.

01:02:37.000 And then I was a bowling alley server at nighttime, and I worked in the casino alley.

01:02:44.000 So I would start my shift at 10 o'clock at night and get off at like 6 o'clock in the morning.

01:02:48.000 Wow.

01:02:48.000 And I was overweight and so my sister invited me to a woman's cardio kickboxing class and I met Rick Little and kind of threw my first punch and it's been over since.

01:02:57.000 That's wild.

01:02:58.000 I started in the UFC in 2013. So how many years after cardio kickboxing was that?

01:03:06.000 So I started in 2008 and...

01:03:09.000 In 2016 was your first UFC fight?

01:03:12.000 2013 was my first UFC fight.

01:03:14.000 Oh, wow.

01:03:14.000 Yeah.

01:03:15.000 Horrible with numbers.

01:03:15.000 I can't sing and dance.

01:03:16.000 I'm a fighter.

01:03:17.000 I'm not good at numbers either.

01:03:18.000 Horrible, yeah.

01:03:19.000 That's pretty crazy then.

01:03:20.000 Mm-hmm.

01:03:21.000 So it's five years.

01:03:22.000 And most people get their daughters in wrestling at a young age or they put them in karate or judo or anything like that. 0.65

01:03:30.000 I've just been defensive my whole life because I was always getting attacked from all sides from my brothers and sisters.

01:03:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:36.000 It wasn't like, you know, my mom put me in judo or, you know, I literally just was defending myself all my life.

01:03:42.000 And then when I got into actual cardio kickboxing class to lose weight is when I threw my first punch.

01:03:47.000 So I actually started pretty late compared to the age that kids are starting now, especially young girls.

01:03:53.000 Very late.

01:03:54.000 Yeah.

01:03:55.000 It's getting more and more mainstream.

01:03:57.000 But back then, in 2008, there was no one.

01:04:00.000 There wasn't a lot of girls fighting. 1.00

01:04:03.000 When was the first UFC women's fight?

01:04:05.000 What year was that?

01:04:06.000 2013. Wow.

01:04:08.000 Yeah.

01:04:08.000 So I've been in the division just as long as Ronda and Misha and everything like that.

01:04:12.000 Amanda.

01:04:14.000 When they were starting the division, I was on the Ultimate Fighter.

01:04:17.000 So instead of them fighting one time, I was fighting four times.

01:04:20.000 Wow.

01:04:21.000 Yeah.

01:04:22.000 And they just gave a belt to Ronda. 1.00

01:04:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:24.000 They're just like, hey, welcome to the UFC. Here's your belt.

01:04:27.000 I'm like, I've got to fight this girl, this girl, this girl, this girl, and you still won't let me fight the champ after this? 0.97

01:04:32.000 Ridiculous. 0.90

01:04:32.000 What do I got to do? 0.90

01:04:33.000 Well, it was a weird situation where there wasn't a lot of standouts in that 135-pound division where it, like, marketing-wise, where it looked like someone that everybody wanted to see fight Amanda.

01:04:44.000 And two truths.

01:04:46.000 Ronda was a star.

01:04:47.000 She was winning in 10 seconds, you know? 0.52

01:04:48.000 She was incredible.

01:04:49.000 She put it on the map and opened up that door and blew the doors right open. 1.00

01:04:52.000 So props to her for that. 0.99

01:04:54.000 And the other second truth is I messed myself up.

01:04:56.000 I tore four out of five ligaments, you know?

01:04:58.000 The delays that I've had in life have been injuries or pregnancy or more injuries, you know what I mean?

01:05:04.000 Half to blame them not letting me have the title shot and then the other half to blame is like quit messing up yourself.

01:05:10.000 How long did it take you to recover from the knee surgery?

01:05:13.000 At least 15 or 16 months, I think.

01:05:15.000 Wow.

01:05:16.000 Yeah.

01:05:17.000 Well, to ETR, four out of five ligaments, half the doctors are going to tell you you're never going to fight again.

01:05:20.000 Really?

01:05:21.000 Yeah.

01:05:21.000 The other half are like, you get a really good surgeon, which I had, Dr. Kavitney in L.A., who did Kobe Bryant, John Jones, George St. Pierre.

01:05:29.000 He's done the who's who, all the L.A. Lakers.

01:05:32.000 He was like, you absolutely will fight again.

01:05:34.000 Wow.

01:05:35.000 And he gave me that confidence.

01:05:37.000 Did you have meniscus damage as well?

01:05:39.000 So it was everything.

01:05:40.000 Did they do a cut on the meniscus or did they just leave it alone?

01:05:46.000 No, I don't.

01:05:47.000 I think they might have like sewn it.

01:05:48.000 I'm not sure.

01:05:49.000 I don't really recall.

01:05:50.000 I just know that I tore four out of five.

01:05:51.000 The only one that I didn't tear is the PCL. How's it feel now?

01:05:55.000 Fine.

01:05:56.000 I mean, my goal in recovery is to attack your recovery like you would a fight.

01:06:02.000 So being diligent and disciplined and making sure you're doing this rehab and going home and doing your rehab.

01:06:07.000 And so I have strengthened both of my legs because I've done them both.

01:06:14.000 Really?

01:06:17.000 Really?

01:06:34.000 Argue that my one that I tore is better than the other one, you know?

01:06:38.000 Really?

01:06:39.000 But they're both competing with each other, right?

01:06:40.000 Because I've done them both.

01:06:42.000 Right.

01:06:42.000 Yeah.

01:06:42.000 So I just make sure that I strength.

01:06:44.000 It's a focus area for me.

01:06:46.000 And you were telling me before we got here that your strength and conditioning program, like you went several camps where you didn't have any strength and conditioning program.

01:06:55.000 Right.

01:06:55.000 Yeah, because my original trainer, Chris Grayson, he moved from Chicago and he went to South Carolina and I didn't have anybody.

01:07:03.000 So I was just doing my road work on my own, push-ups, pull-ups and sit-ups and just kind of like lifting, just touching the weights on my own in my vanity room.

01:07:13.000 Just touching the weights?

01:07:14.000 Yeah, just touching the weights.

01:07:15.000 What do you mean by that?

01:07:16.000 It's not like I'm trying to be this gigantic Hulk-mania and be lifting every day.

01:07:22.000 I know how to lift if you point me in the direction and show me what you want me to do.

01:07:26.000 But if I were to go by myself, I would be so overwhelmed.

01:07:30.000 I know how to lift.

01:07:32.000 And I'm learning more, you know, but I'm just more of like the you point and I go, you know, and so I shoot whatever my trainer tells me to do.

01:07:40.000 But when I didn't have a trainer, I was just like, you've been doing this long enough.

01:07:44.000 You know that at the end of the day, it's not about how much you can lift or how much you can bench press.

01:07:48.000 It's about fighting.

01:07:49.000 And so just do your roadwork, touch the weights, get that, you know, body calisthenics, the pushups, the pull ups and stuff like that.

01:07:56.000 And you'll be fine.

01:07:57.000 Did you put your camps together or did you have somebody that structured them for you?

01:08:00.000 So Rick Little is my head coach and he kind of is in communication with all my other coaches in Chicago.

01:08:06.000 He'll, you know, call them, tell them what he wants me to work on and then, you know, trusting in their expertise because they're all experts in their own field.

01:08:12.000 He'll call Coach Mike and then Coach Mike will obviously run me through his own practice, but then he'll put attention to the detail that Rick said too.

01:08:19.000 And so they are all kind of in communication with what Rick is saying as far as what we're going to do in the camp and how we're going to win the fight and game plan.

01:08:28.000 So, but Rick is not there physically.

01:08:30.000 He's not there.

01:08:30.000 He's in Spokane.

01:08:31.000 But when I have a fight, he'll come out, stay with me for a month.

01:08:34.000 He'll stay with me for two weeks.

01:08:35.000 He'll go back to Spokane and then I'll come back out again and then we'll always leave together to the fight.

01:08:39.000 So he's always making that trip to come over and be with me and make sure that, you know, as long as he stays for a week or two weeks and sees that I got it, then he'll go back and then he'll come, you know, a couple weeks later again.

01:08:48.000 How important is that for you?

01:08:51.000 Because for a lot of fighters, the development process is so intense that the relationship between the coach and the athlete, it's almost inseparable.

01:09:00.000 And then for other people, they go jump from camp to camp and they never have that sort of deep intimacy with the person that trains them.

01:09:11.000 And I'll tell you two things.

01:09:12.000 Number one, that he knows me better than anybody on this planet.

01:09:15.000 And he is somebody that I trust with my life. 0.81

01:09:18.000 This man will take a bullet for me. 0.93

01:09:20.000 And he is, he'll take a beating if it means that I'm gonna win. 0.88

01:09:24.000 He has my back 110%.

01:09:27.000 And the flip side to that is These people are gym jumpers because they don't have a coach that cares.

01:09:32.000 They don't have somebody that's invested in them.

01:09:34.000 You have to find a coach that cares about you.

01:09:37.000 You have to have that.

01:09:37.000 And they don't even have to be that good.

01:09:39.000 They don't have to be some world-renowned coach.

01:09:41.000 As long as they care and they're checking and they're putting you through what you need, that's all you need.

01:09:46.000 But that's why these people are always jumping gyms because they can't find a coach that is invested in them.

01:09:51.000 And Rick has always been invested in me.

01:09:53.000 He believed in me when I didn't believe in myself.

01:09:55.000 And he told me that I was going to be a champion.

01:09:57.000 He told me that Dana White was going to open the doors to the women in the UFC. He told me stick with this, you know, and he's the only one that has been like that constant voice of reason and guiding me.

01:10:07.000 And I mean, he taught me how to fight.

01:10:09.000 So without Rick, where would I be?

01:10:11.000 Well, that's awesome that you're still with them.

01:10:13.000 It really is.

01:10:13.000 13 years.

01:10:14.000 It's going to be 14 here in September.

01:10:16.000 I love hearing that.

01:10:17.000 I think loyalty is everything.

01:10:19.000 It's so important.

01:10:19.000 I'm loyal to the soil.

01:10:20.000 I'm a Leo lion.

01:10:21.000 Loyalty for me is like top tier.

01:10:24.000 When's your birthday?

01:10:25.000 August 19th.

01:10:26.000 I'm August 11th.

01:10:27.000 Nuh-uh.

01:10:27.000 You're a Leo too.

01:10:28.000 See, I was born on a cusp day.

01:10:30.000 So I have Virgo tendencies.

01:10:32.000 What's a Virgo tendency?

01:10:34.000 See, I don't even know that much about it because I feel like my Leo side is just so dominant.

01:10:38.000 But my sister is a Virgo.

01:10:40.000 And, you know, she's also the type of person that knows me like the back of her hand.

01:10:44.000 We have similar tendencies sometimes.

01:10:47.000 She's a little bit, in a sense, more feisty than me in some regard.

01:10:50.000 Really?

01:10:51.000 More feisty than you? 0.99

01:10:52.000 Well, I'll be like, I'll joke with her and she thinks I'm being serious.

01:10:54.000 And so she's like, get out of this house! 1.00

01:10:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:56.000 And I was like, dude, I'm kidding!

01:10:59.000 And she's the one who dragged you into cardio kickboxing? 0.97

01:11:01.000 Yes. 0.63

01:11:01.000 Did she ever think, goddammit, I could have done that too. 0.63

01:11:04.000 She was a better...

01:11:05.000 Obviously, she's got five kids, so she's very busy. 1.00

01:11:09.000 But if she would have stuck with it, she was a better kicker than me.

01:11:13.000 This girl could kick like a mule. 1.00

01:11:14.000 And she was a soccer player.

01:11:15.000 And she had incredible kicks. 0.99

01:11:17.000 And she was so good at kicking. 0.83

01:11:20.000 So I definitely think that she could have stuck with it.

01:11:21.000 But it was important to have her because her beating me up and knowing me my whole life... 1.00

01:11:28.000 When my sister was in my corner in the early amateur days and stuff, I was like, I'll take on anybody because my sister believes in me, you know, and even Rick, you know, so the two of them together, they'd be like, let's go, you can do it.

01:11:38.000 I'm like, I know I can because I know that she knows who I am through and through that we share the same blood and she's not lying.

01:11:45.000 If she's telling me I can do it, then I know I can do it.

01:11:47.000 That's awesome.

01:11:48.000 Yeah.

01:11:49.000 I think there's something to soccer players.

01:11:51.000 There's something about...

01:11:52.000 First of all, the conditioning that soccer players have is off the charts.

01:11:56.000 They're some of the best and the most fit athletes in the world.

01:11:59.000 There's no other sport where you run as much besides maybe running.

01:12:02.000 Yeah.

01:12:02.000 And so also like the strength of their legs...

01:12:05.000 Because it's sprinting.

01:12:06.000 It's like you're sprinting all the time.

01:12:08.000 You're running as fast as you can and you're trying to move the ball around.

01:12:12.000 So you have two things in coordination.

01:12:14.000 You have dexterity and then you have this endurance aspect and strength aspect as well.

01:12:19.000 And so if you look at Jose Aldo, he's one of the best kickers ever.

01:12:23.000 The best leg kicker ever in the UFC. One of them.

01:12:26.000 Soccer player.

01:12:27.000 He started out in soccer.

01:12:28.000 Kenny Florian started out in soccer, too.

01:12:30.000 There were quite a few people that were elite soccer players.

01:12:34.000 If you think about how much they kick in kicking a ball, it's not much different than throwing a body kick or a roundhouse kick.

01:12:40.000 Yeah.

01:12:41.000 Or you even see gymnasts, girl gymnasts that have come into fighting.

01:12:45.000 It's very similar.

01:12:46.000 Oh yeah, the strength that they have.

01:12:48.000 Or I guess we've even found out stripping too.

01:12:52.000 Just the other day, you're holding up that girl.

01:12:54.000 She's like, my stripping has helped me in fighting.

01:13:02.000 I mean, you could find a similarity in any sport or any physical activity that you do and apply it into fighting.

01:13:07.000 She's a little firecracker. 1.00

01:13:08.000 Oh yeah, she's great. 0.94

01:13:09.000 I love that.

01:13:10.000 I was like, that's great, man.

01:13:12.000 She's pretty funny.

01:13:12.000 You go girl.

01:13:13.000 Yeah, you go girl all day. 0.69

01:13:15.000 Get your money.

01:13:16.000 Yeah, we found that in jujitsu with breakdancing, you know, with Richie Martinez and Gio Martinez at 10th Planet.

01:13:21.000 They came over and they were these breakdancers and they were so fucking strong and so mobile and agile that Eddie Bravo started incorporating breakdancing training.

01:13:32.000 He was like, there's something to that. 0.79

01:13:34.000 Like, it's obviously, look how these guys can manipulate their body.

01:13:37.000 Do you ever watch breakdancing?

01:13:39.000 Well, I'm really good friends with Fee from the Jabberwockies.

01:13:43.000 And one of their older guys, he doesn't go there anymore.

01:13:47.000 His name is Ricky, too.

01:13:49.000 And they would always tell me that they love fighting.

01:13:53.000 And they also like kind of their similarities there between their breakdancing and their moves as there is in fighting.

01:13:59.000 And so I didn't realize that by any means.

01:14:02.000 But maybe...

01:14:02.000 I don't know.

01:14:03.000 I'm like, what, the isolation holds?

01:14:04.000 They're like, what do you mean?

01:14:05.000 But they would say that there's similarities between their dancing and being a Jabbawockee and fighting.

01:14:11.000 And I'm like, that's very interesting.

01:14:12.000 Well, if you ever go to Stance Elements on Instagram, Stance Elements, go to their page. 0.99

01:14:19.000 It's like, these people are the biggest fucking physical freaks. 0.99

01:14:23.000 Like, some of the shit they do, it's like, it should be in the Olympics. 1.00

01:14:27.000 Well, they're probably so good they don't need to fight, so good for them. 1.00

01:14:29.000 Ha! 0.89

01:14:30.000 But it's just, when you think about...

01:14:33.000 Do that one on the far right.

01:14:36.000 That one looks pretty crazy. 0.99

01:14:38.000 These dudes, the shit that they can do, it's like they're defying gravity in physics. 0.99

01:14:45.000 The amount of strength that it takes... 0.99

01:14:47.000 How is he spinning on his hands like that? 1.00

01:14:49.000 Because he's a fucking awesome freak. 1.00

01:14:52.000 Look at his head! 1.00

01:14:52.000 What is this guy's name? 1.00

01:14:54.000 He just looks like a little 10-year-old.

01:14:57.000 13, maxo.

01:14:59.000 Max, M, M, X, Max, O, O, F, K. He's from France. 1.00

01:15:04.000 Of France.

01:15:05.000 Yeah, there's a lot of them from Korea, a lot of them from Japan.

01:15:08.000 That little boy's from Korea, you can tell.

01:15:10.000 Look at that little fella. 1.00

01:15:11.000 Yeah.

01:15:12.000 So these are young kids.

01:15:14.000 And look how good that guy is as a young kid.

01:15:16.000 Go to that guy right there.

01:15:17.000 Right.

01:15:18.000 Oh, here's a little tiny kid.

01:15:20.000 Yeah.

01:15:20.000 Look at this little kid.

01:15:21.000 Jesus Christ!

01:15:23.000 That's insane!

01:15:24.000 That is insane.

01:15:25.000 Does it say where he's from?

01:15:26.000 That kind of body...

01:15:28.000 Oh, he's Japanese. 0.98

01:15:28.000 I apologize to anybody I might have offended. 0.98

01:15:31.000 He's Japanese.

01:15:31.000 There's a lot of them from Japan.

01:15:33.000 That's incredible.

01:15:35.000 Yeah.

01:15:35.000 I mean, it's just what they can do physically at such a young age.

01:15:41.000 And that these guys, they do this...

01:15:43.000 Go to that...

01:15:44.000 What's his name?

01:15:45.000 B-Boy Pocket Kim. 0.93

01:15:46.000 He's the freak of all freaks. 0.82

01:15:48.000 Look, there's a chick, dude. 1.00

01:15:49.000 She's got some moves there. 1.00

01:15:51.000 Oh, there's a lot of them that are chicks. 1.00

01:15:53.000 Let me see.

01:15:54.000 And this is break dancing?

01:15:55.000 Yeah.

01:15:55.000 That's what they call it?

01:15:56.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 That's the style?

01:15:58.000 Give me some music so I can hear what they're doing it to.

01:16:01.000 Some Missy Elliott, probably. 1.00

01:16:04.000 Hey! 0.99

01:16:05.000 Hey! 0.99

01:16:06.000 Hey! 0.99

01:16:07.000 Hey! 0.99

01:16:11.000 I watch it.

01:16:12.000 I get tired.

01:16:14.000 I mean...

01:16:15.000 I watch it and I'm like, oh, that looks exhausting.

01:16:17.000 It's kind of like a moving dance gymnastics.

01:16:21.000 Right.

01:16:24.000 I love that.

01:16:26.000 Yeah, it's pretty wild.

01:16:28.000 Who's that guy in the far right there?

01:16:30.000 That's not that B-Boy Pocket Kim guy, is it?

01:16:32.000 No.

01:16:34.000 That guy's...

01:16:35.000 Japanese?

01:16:36.000 There's so many of them.

01:16:39.000 It's just that culture, the culture of breakdancing is so strong, and the athletes that do it, I don't think most people know how crazy what they're doing is.

01:16:51.000 Most people on the outside, they don't know how wild this sport or this art form has gotten.

01:16:58.000 It takes a lot of athleticism, that's for sure.

01:17:01.000 And coordination.

01:17:02.000 Find a video of this guy, because he's incredible.

01:17:05.000 There's a video right there, Jamie on the Grass. 1.00

01:17:17.000 Kill that fucking music immediately. 1.00

01:17:19.000 Jesus. 1.00

01:17:20.000 Ugh.

01:17:22.000 You know, they look like gymnasts.

01:17:24.000 You know those guys that hold on to the bars and they do the thing on the bar?

01:17:27.000 Like, they're holding on to the bars?

01:17:28.000 Like, that's what it looks like, but no bars.

01:17:30.000 Exactly. 0.98

01:17:31.000 And, you know, look at this fucking aerial he's doing. 0.99

01:17:35.000 That is nuts. 0.99

01:17:36.000 These guys gotta be like stunt doubles for, like, movies in Hollywood, right?

01:17:39.000 Like, those martial art movies.

01:17:40.000 Yeah.

01:17:41.000 Well, look how crazy that is.

01:17:42.000 And everything, like the flexibility, the athleticism, just the physical strength to distort or contort your body.

01:17:50.000 I would appreciate if you take that mask off while you're doing it though, sir.

01:17:53.000 Totally.

01:17:53.000 How dare you.

01:17:54.000 Well, it's gotten to a point where people want to keep them on, right?

01:17:57.000 They don't want to show their real faces or maybe they didn't brush their teeth or something.

01:18:01.000 Their bad breath.

01:18:03.000 I think it's also like a signal that you're a good person.

01:18:06.000 Like, hey, I'm doing the right thing.

01:18:08.000 I'm wearing my mask.

01:18:09.000 I would be considered very disrespectful then.

01:18:11.000 No, just logical.

01:18:13.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.55

01:18:14.000 It's not, you know, it's just silly at this point.

01:18:18.000 It's like, that's not protecting you.

01:18:20.000 I know.

01:18:21.000 Have you seen that guy where he takes a pool from a vape pen on the outside and then just like clouds and plumes of smoke coming out?

01:18:29.000 It's like, what is it really protecting?

01:18:30.000 Well, that's what happens with air. 0.84

01:18:33.000 The reason why you can breathe is the reason why the mask doesn't work.

01:18:37.000 And then also, the filter that's going through there, the particles of COVID are smaller.

01:18:42.000 Now, can it stop some of the virus from getting to you?

01:18:45.000 Maybe.

01:18:45.000 I don't know.

01:18:47.000 Maybe can it stop some of your virus from getting out to other people?

01:18:50.000 Maybe.

01:18:51.000 I mean, do you remember when we used to like blow out candles on birthday cakes like we were wild back then like that Yeah, that's a super spreader event now.

01:18:58.000 Yeah, exactly So when you do like walk me through like a typical camp, like if you say you're gonna defend your title against Amanda What how much time do you want to give yourself and like how do you prepare?

01:19:12.000 I've already started You've already started?

01:19:14.000 Yeah.

01:19:14.000 I just got to keep the foundation first off.

01:19:17.000 So that means going to the gym.

01:19:20.000 Not three times a day anymore, but at least showing up at least a few times a week and getting that foundation with the strength and conditioning and the conditioning and everything like that.

01:19:28.000 So you just stay in a good place.

01:19:31.000 Yeah.

01:19:31.000 I'm not as aggressive with training six days a week.

01:19:38.000 And I will once I get into the official camp.

01:19:41.000 But it's important now to keep the foundation and to keep the base.

01:19:45.000 And that means lifting still and running still.

01:19:49.000 Making sure that, you know, I'm not turning back into the Tin Man, you know, because nothing is harder than getting out of shape and then trying to get back in shape again.

01:19:57.000 It's brutal.

01:19:58.000 Talk about a mental F. Like, ugh, how did I even do this before?

01:20:02.000 Like, you gotta just stay consistent.

01:20:04.000 Is that one of the hardest things about getting off a knee injury like yours?

01:20:08.000 Staying consistent?

01:20:09.000 No, getting over the fact that you're out of condition, too.

01:20:11.000 Not only are you...

01:20:13.000 Well, not even just a knee injury.

01:20:15.000 Go to any...

01:20:16.000 I think it's changing, but typical fighter after a fight.

01:20:20.000 What do they do?

01:20:21.000 They get fat, they eat whatever they want, and they don't step into the gym until their next fight again.

01:20:26.000 Not everybody, but I have, I'm not going to lie, have been that fighter before where I'm just chilling until I go to the next camp.

01:20:35.000 How much time would you give yourself off?

01:20:38.000 I mean, so fighters fight like two times is a lot.

01:20:42.000 I don't think it's that much.

01:20:45.000 But when you're at that high of a level, you know, that's plenty. 0.99

01:20:48.000 And so if you had a fight after the fight and back in the day, you would just kind of fuck off? 0.99

01:20:52.000 Yep. 0.99

01:20:53.000 For how long?

01:20:56.000 Weeks.

01:20:56.000 Sometimes even months.

01:20:58.000 Not do shit. 0.99

01:20:59.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:20:59.000 But I was in a younger stage where I would just be like partying and living it up and I didn't have any, let's say, little lives depending on me. 0.98

01:21:06.000 Yeah.

01:21:06.000 So I was like single living the life, you know, and enjoying myself.

01:21:10.000 Now it's like you can't do that.

01:21:12.000 And especially with her being in school, it's forced me to get on more of a routine.

01:21:16.000 Do you think also though that the progress you've made from not doing that has made you more disciplined because you've recognized the value in that discipline?

01:21:26.000 Well, not only that, but just staying consistent and active.

01:21:31.000 Staying active, I think, is a very important thing, especially as a fighter.

01:21:34.000 And I never used to think like that.

01:21:35.000 You take a loss, I won't fight again for a year because I'm so depressed and F fighting, you know?

01:21:40.000 But when I took a loss to Jermaine, I was like, I'm going to, you know, disappear off the face of the planet and cry myself to sleep again like I did with Valentina.

01:21:48.000 My coach Wayne was like, no, you need to take another fight immediately.

01:21:51.000 You need to stay active.

01:21:52.000 You have to stay active.

01:21:53.000 And I took another fight about a month and a half later against Sarah McMahon.

01:21:56.000 And so staying active and disciplined and grinding, it's tiresome and it kind of gets, you know, like, but then once it becomes your norm, it's like, this is what I do.

01:22:06.000 And then you think, what else do you got to do today?

01:22:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:22:09.000 You're a fighter.

01:22:10.000 You're a professional fighter.

01:22:11.000 What else you got going on?

01:22:12.000 You know, you should be in the gym.

01:22:13.000 You should be training.

01:22:14.000 You should be You know, eating right and doing the right things.

01:22:17.000 That's your job.

01:22:18.000 So once I kind of had that realization, I was like, okay, it's time to grow up a little bit.

01:22:24.000 And this is my craft and I have to keep honing in on my craft.

01:22:27.000 I have to keep evolving.

01:22:28.000 I have to keep adding.

01:22:29.000 I have to stay consistent and I have to apply that discipline every single day, you know?

01:22:34.000 So was the Valentina fight the hardest loss for you?

01:22:38.000 Absolutely, yeah.

01:22:39.000 Why?

01:22:40.000 Because I hadn't lost in the UFC at that point.

01:22:42.000 And I think it was a big, gigantic lesson in underestimating your opponent.

01:22:49.000 I thought, Valentina, 17-time Muay Thai world champion, all I gotta do is take this chick to the ground, it's over. 1.00

01:22:55.000 I was winning that fight, but I got overzealous.

01:22:58.000 I was trying to punch a hole through her face, and I ended up getting caught on top, her on her back, in an arm bar. 1.00

01:23:05.000 And I'm just like, out of all the ways, I absolutely didn't think that that was going to be the case.

01:23:10.000 But there's like, hello, you're fighting at the highest level.

01:23:13.000 You have to assume everybody is well-rounded.

01:23:15.000 Just because she's a 17-time Muay Thai world champion doesn't mean she doesn't know jiu-jitsu.

01:23:19.000 So that one was something that I... Was beating myself up for for so long because I was absolutely certain that I was going to stomp a mud hole in her. 1.00

01:23:27.000 And I was up until I wasn't.

01:23:29.000 You know, so that's one that I took very, very difficult.

01:23:34.000 When you think about defending your title, does she pop into your mind about somehow or another getting a rematch?

01:23:39.000 Absolutely.

01:23:40.000 Do you think you can make 125?

01:23:41.000 I have in the past.

01:23:43.000 I've fought twice at 125. How hard is it?

01:23:45.000 Well, when I had the notice the first time, I made it no problem.

01:23:49.000 Literally no problem.

01:23:51.000 The second time, I absolutely did not make it.

01:23:54.000 I was off by one pound and I didn't make weight by one pound.

01:23:59.000 Because I took that fight on such short notice.

01:24:02.000 And it's not something that I would like to entertain because I have a gigantic love for food.

01:24:10.000 And I don't want to live miserably.

01:24:12.000 I truly feel, and this is going to sound weird, I truly feel like I'm a natural 135-er.

01:24:16.000 What do you walk around at?

01:24:17.000 I'm at 145. I walk around at 145. On a bad day, catch me on a bad day, I walk around at 148, 150. But I walk normally at 145. When I'm in camp, I can't get any higher than 143. Not because for anything other than the fact that I'm training so much that I wake up consistently 142,

01:24:37.000 143. Right.

01:24:38.000 But I feel like I'm a true, natural 135-er.

01:24:41.000 25, of course, I can make, but is it going to be annoying?

01:24:44.000 Yes.

01:24:44.000 And is it something that I feel like doing?

01:24:46.000 No, not really.

01:24:47.000 But again, what did I say?

01:24:48.000 You pay me.

01:24:49.000 I'll go down to 115 if you want me to.

01:24:52.000 I'll go to 155. I don't care.

01:24:54.000 I'll fight anybody.

01:24:55.000 If it don't make money, it don't make sense.

01:24:58.000 Well, I was just thinking that maybe even a catch weight between the two of you.

01:25:02.000 Two champs.

01:25:03.000 Depending upon what Amanda wants to do. 0.99

01:25:05.000 Have they started negotiations or discussions or brought up?

01:25:12.000 I can only speak from what I would do personally.

01:25:15.000 And she thinks it was a fluke.

01:25:17.000 She thinks she mentally checked out.

01:25:18.000 She thinks that she was just, you know...

01:25:21.000 Had to go see a sports psychologist to figure out why her brain stopped ticking, you know, at the moment, and that she just gave up and quit on herself. 0.66

01:25:28.000 Whatever her reasoning is, she's probably a little embarrassed, she's probably a little stung, and she probably wants to stay active and go and get her belt back and show everybody that it was a fluke, you know?

01:25:40.000 That's probably what she's thinking.

01:25:41.000 That's probably what her camp is probably telling her, you know?

01:25:43.000 And that's the big money fund anyway right now.

01:25:44.000 What did he say, Dana White?

01:25:46.000 The biggest women's fight in history. 0.52

01:25:49.000 In history.

01:25:50.000 So, I mean, it makes sense.

01:25:52.000 You've got to have a dance partner.

01:25:54.000 It takes two to tango.

01:25:56.000 It's not just a one-stop shop here.

01:25:57.000 You have to have somebody that's going to want to dance with you and what not better opponent than somebody that just beat you and just put a blemish in your gigantic record of being the greatest of all time.

01:26:09.000 Oh, there's no question.

01:26:11.000 I mean, it's going to be huge.

01:26:13.000 Yeah.

01:26:14.000 It's going to be huge.

01:26:15.000 Yeah, well, that's what they said.

01:26:16.000 Biggest fight in women's history sounds pretty big to me. 0.84

01:26:18.000 And he said the Kayla Harrison fight in Amanda Nunes was like a mega million dollar fight.

01:26:22.000 He's quoted as saying mega million dollar fight.

01:26:24.000 So if that's the case, then what is this?

01:26:26.000 You know, I think it's bigger.

01:26:27.000 Yeah.

01:26:29.000 That's just me, though.

01:26:29.000 Of course I'm going to advocate for myself.

01:26:31.000 Of course!

01:26:31.000 Well, how can you not?

01:26:33.000 Listen, that's always been a hot topic, is the subject of fighter pay.

01:26:37.000 I'm always on the side that fighters should get paid the most amount possible.

01:26:40.000 And I think that without fighters, there's no sport.

01:26:43.000 This is where the money should be.

01:26:46.000 And also, you have this small window.

01:26:48.000 Yeah.

01:26:48.000 It's a slippery slope, right?

01:26:50.000 Because, oh, you don't want to fight for 10 and 10?

01:26:52.000 Well, there's a thousand other people that can't wait to put these UFC shorts on that are going to fight for that.

01:26:56.000 And no one's holding a gun up to your head.

01:26:58.000 But then there's that flip side that, like I said, those silver bullets.

01:27:01.000 I've been saving these silver bullets so that when I'm the champion, I can finally advocate for myself with confidence to say...

01:27:07.000 I'm the champion now and you must pay me.

01:27:10.000 And then you get into that bad guy, good cop, bad cop type of scenario.

01:27:15.000 It's like, well, I've been establishing these relationships with the UFC since 2013. I love these guys.

01:27:20.000 They're great.

01:27:21.000 I'll go have a drink with them any old day.

01:27:23.000 And then there's the other side where it's like you can't keep advocating for yourself because you're screwing yourself when you got to have a middleman.

01:27:31.000 It's business.

01:27:32.000 But then once you do business, Then they hate you.

01:27:36.000 And I'm like, how do I do this?

01:27:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:42.000 Because I want these people to still rep for me, but then I don't want them to hate me because I'm asking for more money.

01:27:48.000 But how many times does that bother them where then they end up not putting the belt on you and not showing up to the press conference?

01:27:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:55.000 That's the thing, right?

01:27:58.000 First of all, someone else has to do the talking.

01:28:00.000 You don't do the talking.

01:28:01.000 You just do the fighting.

01:28:02.000 But the problem is when you're talking to them, too.

01:28:04.000 Yeah, and that is the problem because every deal that I've ever done, it's been me.

01:28:08.000 And it's been me going in there and being like, alright, yeah, sure.

01:28:11.000 Oh, you're feeding me this awesome meal.

01:28:13.000 Yeah, I'll fight whoever you want.

01:28:14.000 Just give me the pen, and I'll do it. 1.00

01:28:17.000 And anytime I go back to somebody else, like, you idiot! 1.00

01:28:20.000 Why would you do that? 1.00

01:28:21.000 I'm like...

01:28:21.000 It was really good.

01:28:22.000 He was so nice.

01:28:24.000 And I love those guys.

01:28:26.000 I love Sean Shelby.

01:28:27.000 I love Dana White.

01:28:27.000 I really do.

01:28:28.000 I think they're awesome.

01:28:30.000 But there's other people that are more on the business side where they're like, you just made the biggest mistake of your life.

01:28:35.000 So do you have a business manager that handles those things now?

01:28:38.000 Yes, Chad Bronstein.

01:28:40.000 He's the owner of Philo.

01:28:41.000 He's the owner of Wisana.

01:28:43.000 He's got me all these awesome sponsors.

01:28:45.000 He's got me the most money that I've ever made pre-champ.

01:28:49.000 Beautiful.

01:28:50.000 Yeah, I just started working with him and he's legitimately changed my life.

01:28:53.000 Him and Aristotle Loomis.

01:28:55.000 Well, I can't imagine how much money the new fight is going to generate.

01:28:58.000 The rematch is going to be gigantic.

01:29:00.000 I'm just using his own words.

01:29:04.000 He said, mega million dollar fight.

01:29:06.000 He said, biggest fight in women's history.

01:29:08.000 Well, I think the idea was that Amanda was undefeated and she was a goat and this would be the big challenge to her, but also that's, you know... 0.99

01:29:15.000 Big challenge?

01:29:16.000 You guys, even you, that's why I came here to have a bone to pick with you.

01:29:18.000 What's the bone?

01:29:19.000 Even you were like, the week or the two weeks before the fight would be another UFC and they'd be like, oh yeah, UFC 269 is coming up, Amanda Nunes defending her belt against Juliana Pena.

01:29:29.000 Anyways, Valentina is the only one that can pose a threat to Amanda Nunes, you know? 1.00

01:29:33.000 I'm like, I'm fighting her.

01:29:35.000 You guys won't even say my name.

01:29:36.000 I'm fighting.

01:29:37.000 You're talking about somebody who's in another division who's lost to her two times.

01:29:40.000 You guys won't even give me any credit in the world.

01:29:42.000 It's like nobody was giving me credit for that fight.

01:29:45.000 Not even you.

01:29:46.000 Listen, reality is if you look at your record and if you look at the people that you lost to and you look at what she's done, it looked like she had a massive advantage over you.

01:29:57.000 She was being called the greatest woman of all time.

01:30:00.000 You lost to Jermaine Duran to me.

01:30:02.000 You had one...

01:30:03.000 Who'd you beat after that?

01:30:04.000 Sarah McMahon.

01:30:04.000 You beat Sarah McMahon, and then was there one more fight after that?

01:30:07.000 I was supposed to fight Holly, but she pulled out for injury, and then since Holly pulled out... 0.99

01:30:13.000 And then Amanda.

01:30:13.000 It was Amanda.

01:30:14.000 So that's one loss.

01:30:16.000 Yeah.

01:30:16.000 So you had one loss, one win, and then fight for the title.

01:30:19.000 Mm-hmm.

01:30:20.000 It's not doubting your abilities.

01:30:22.000 Weirder things have happened.

01:30:23.000 Weirder things have happened, but you can't say that when you're talking about the future of fighting.

01:30:28.000 If you're looking at the rankings and you're looking at who's going to challenge who and how things line up, it's not a disrespect to you.

01:30:37.000 It's just the reality of your record.

01:30:39.000 Misha was 0-2 when she got a title shot.

01:30:42.000 There was other people that did absolutely nothing that were getting titles.

01:30:44.000 Yeah, but that was when Misha had lost to Ronda over in Strikeforce.

01:30:52.000 So it was like there was history behind it.

01:30:53.000 And the division was very shallow back then.

01:30:56.000 The division, when Ronda first won the title or came over and became the champ, the division is night and day different.

01:31:04.000 And there's so much talent now.

01:31:06.000 There's so much talent, 25. There's so much talent, 35. So when we're doing that, we're just trying to think of what's the biggest hype-up fight.

01:31:13.000 Valentin is one of the greatest martial arts practitioners, period.

01:31:17.000 And when you look at her being a threat to Amanda, you would say that would be the biggest threat to Amanda.

01:31:22.000 So you're trying to set things up and talk about the future.

01:31:25.000 Let's just talk about it realistically.

01:31:27.000 Based on accomplishments.

01:31:28.000 But now, obviously, you've accomplished something that nobody did.

01:31:32.000 So it's a different animal now.

01:31:34.000 So now going into this fight, I'll talk about you very differently.

01:31:37.000 Yeah, I hope so.

01:31:38.000 You know I love you.

01:31:39.000 I gotta go to Texas, man.

01:31:40.000 I gotta clear my name.

01:31:42.000 I'm sick of this.

01:31:43.000 No respect.

01:31:44.000 Listen, I'm not here to disparage you.

01:31:48.000 I'm here to pump you up.

01:31:49.000 No, I know.

01:31:49.000 I'm pumped up.

01:31:50.000 I love that win.

01:31:51.000 I loved it.

01:31:52.000 I went crazy.

01:31:53.000 I know.

01:31:54.000 Everybody did.

01:31:55.000 I think the highlight for me, honestly, was hearing DC scream like that.

01:32:00.000 He's like a little girl. 0.96

01:32:02.000 We were both screaming.

01:32:03.000 His octagon, the range that he hit, he was like...

01:32:08.000 I'll show you the text he sent me.

01:32:10.000 He was like, look at the noises we're making.

01:32:12.000 I know.

01:32:12.000 Because they were both like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god!

01:32:15.000 Because it was so crazy.

01:32:16.000 When you took her down, I remember screaming, like, oh my god, I'm blowing people's eardrums out.

01:32:21.000 Yeah.

01:32:22.000 Well, it was crazy because leading up to the fight, you know, you do the fighter interviews.

01:32:26.000 DC was just not giving me the time of day.

01:32:29.000 He was turning his chair, rolling his eyes, and I'm just like, am I bothering you?

01:32:32.000 Are you okay?

01:32:34.000 How are you doing today, DC? He was turning his chair and rolling his eyes?

01:32:38.000 Well, I get a Zoom call with Megan and John and DC, and I'm trying to talk to them, but DC, he just didn't look like he was having a good time of paying attention.

01:32:47.000 So I asked him in the fighter interview, I said, they want to know, how are you feeling going into this fight?

01:32:52.000 I said, well, Well, how did you feel, you know, when you were in my position and fighting for, you know, a championship?

01:32:57.000 And he was like, well, sometimes it went my way and sometimes it didn't.

01:33:00.000 Sometimes I lost and sometimes it didn't. 1.00

01:33:01.000 It was very like, you're fucked, you know? 0.99

01:33:05.000 So that's the sentiment that I got. 0.99

01:33:08.000 And so then we went to the ESPN desk and he asked me on air, like...

01:33:15.000 You know, you asked me in the fighter interviews, you know, how I felt or what you were asking me for advice.

01:33:20.000 And, you know, to some people when you're in your position and you ask somebody else for their advice, it looks like weakness, you know?

01:33:26.000 And I'm like, I'm only asking you, DC, because how many title shots did you get?

01:33:30.000 And he was like, I fought in the UFC, I think, don't quote me, 13 or 14 times.

01:33:34.000 Out of the 13 and 14 times that DC fought in the UFC, 11 of them were title fights.

01:33:39.000 Wow.

01:33:40.000 11. That's crazy.

01:33:41.000 Yes.

01:33:42.000 So I'm like, of course I'm asking you.

01:33:44.000 Right.

01:33:45.000 Of course I want to pick your brain on this.

01:33:47.000 Right.

01:33:47.000 I need to know because you've been there.

01:33:49.000 I'm looking to you as a guide that can give me a nugget, anything, anything I'll take, you know?

01:33:53.000 Yeah.

01:33:53.000 It's not weakness.

01:33:54.000 It's just because you've been there 11 times.

01:33:56.000 It's respect.

01:33:57.000 Yeah.

01:33:58.000 Yeah.

01:33:58.000 So I was really happy to hear him screaming and he's like, she's telling me right now I told you so.

01:34:02.000 I'm like, I did tell you so.

01:34:04.000 I told you.

01:34:06.000 But that, I told you so.

01:34:07.000 Look at us going crazy.

01:34:12.000 Do it from the beginning.

01:34:15.000 In the beginning, if you turn it up, you can hear DC scream like a little girl.

01:34:22.000 Look at Sean Shelby's mouth over there on the left.

01:34:24.000 I still can't believe it happened.

01:34:28.000 Wow.

01:34:35.000 It's the first time I've ever been on the octagon in my entire career.

01:34:39.000 Oh, you deserve it.

01:34:41.000 They tell you not to climb up there, right?

01:34:43.000 Yeah.

01:34:44.000 My coach boosted me up like a little child.

01:34:47.000 He was holding my shirt the entire time to make sure that I didn't fall down.

01:34:50.000 He made me get on the cage.

01:34:52.000 I was absolutely like, no, I'm not going to get on.

01:34:54.000 Get on the cage! 0.99

01:34:55.000 Like, okay.

01:34:57.000 How does that feel looking at that?

01:34:59.000 It was, I felt bad.

01:35:00.000 You see that bald head right there?

01:35:02.000 Where?

01:35:02.000 The guy on the left?

01:35:03.000 Yeah.

01:35:04.000 I kicked him in the back of the head when I got up there on accident.

01:35:08.000 Ah, he'll be okay. 0.76

01:35:08.000 Yeah, no, he'll be fine. 0.76

01:35:09.000 But it was, it felt great, right?

01:35:11.000 Because Wayne was like, look it out there.

01:35:13.000 Look it out there.

01:35:14.000 Look at all those people, you know?

01:35:16.000 And Rick's like, get on the cage!

01:35:18.000 And so they boosted me up there.

01:35:19.000 I kicked that guy in the head and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm up here.

01:35:21.000 Like, this is my first time ever being on the cage. 0.91

01:35:23.000 This is nuts.

01:35:24.000 Does it feel crazy just seeing that?

01:35:26.000 It does.

01:35:27.000 It does.

01:35:28.000 You know what's even crazier?

01:35:29.000 That thrill and agony came out.

01:35:31.000 And so my sister, she's got to be like, what, 125?

01:35:34.000 She's a little thing.

01:35:36.000 And my strength and conditioning trainer, too.

01:35:38.000 He's jacked.

01:35:39.000 You know, this big guy.

01:35:40.000 Both of them, after the fight, were like, oh, I was holding Issa, my daughter.

01:35:43.000 I was holding Issa the whole time.

01:35:44.000 I was like, oh, that's great, you know?

01:35:45.000 I went and watched the thrill and agony and paused the frame on my family.

01:35:49.000 There is a complete stranger holding my kid.

01:35:52.000 And I'm like, Grace, I thought you were holding Issa.

01:35:55.000 She's like, she's really heavy.

01:35:56.000 And she was squirming all over the place. 1.00

01:35:57.000 I sat her down for a second.

01:35:59.000 And then I was like, Alex, I thought you were holding.

01:36:01.000 He's like, well, I was.

01:36:02.000 And then when you pause the frame on the Thrill and Agony, it's just some random guy.

01:36:06.000 And I'm like, Mom, who is this guy holding my daughter?

01:36:10.000 I thought she was supposed to be with you guys.

01:36:12.000 And they're like, that's your trainer.

01:36:15.000 That's your friend.

01:36:15.000 And I'm like, what are you talking about?

01:36:17.000 That's my friend.

01:36:17.000 They're like, yeah, he's a part of your camp.

01:36:19.000 I'm like, no, he's not.

01:36:20.000 And they're like, yeah, his wife's in a wheelchair.

01:36:22.000 I'm like, I don't know anybody whose wife is in a wheelchair.

01:36:25.000 And I'm telling him, looking at this guy's face right now, I don't know who that is.

01:36:28.000 And I still haven't figured out who it is.

01:36:31.000 Whoever you are.

01:36:32.000 Thanks.

01:36:33.000 Thanks for holding my kid up, dude, literally.

01:36:35.000 Yeah, because he's holding her, he's grabbing her, he was cheering for me, he was happy, but it was so funny.

01:36:40.000 And the thrill and agony, I'm just like, I don't...

01:36:42.000 Who's that rando?

01:36:43.000 Yeah, all these people are like claiming that they were holding my kid the whole time, and then when it cuts back, it's like some stranger holding her.

01:36:49.000 Oh my god, that's hilarious.

01:36:51.000 Yeah, it was pretty funny.

01:36:51.000 That's so funny.

01:36:52.000 Yeah, it was funny.

01:36:53.000 It was great.

01:36:53.000 When you watch the video of it, does it seem surreal?

01:36:57.000 It does.

01:36:58.000 A little bit, it does.

01:36:59.000 I will say on the flip side, I knew I was going to win and I expected it of myself and I absolutely expected, you know, whether I was going to walk away with one leg or one arm, I was going to walk away with the belt that night no matter what.

01:37:10.000 So I knew that.

01:37:12.000 And I expected it of myself.

01:37:15.000 But there was that surreal moment of like, okay, this is checked off.

01:37:19.000 We did this.

01:37:20.000 We got this.

01:37:22.000 People ask me that all the time.

01:37:24.000 Yeah, it's awesome.

01:37:25.000 I won.

01:37:25.000 That's great.

01:37:26.000 But I don't want to keep focusing on this.

01:37:28.000 I want to talk about the future and what's next and how I'm going to move on to the next thing, which is retaining the belt and defending and getting on to the next thing.

01:37:37.000 Because I had already known in my head that I will be a champion one day and that it's going to happen.

01:37:41.000 So it's like, that's great.

01:37:42.000 I want to always remember this moment and I always will.

01:37:45.000 I think the moment speaks for itself as far as being very big.

01:37:48.000 But now I'm ready to go and do the next thing.

01:37:50.000 That's a champion's mentality.

01:37:52.000 Yeah.

01:37:52.000 Yeah, move forward.

01:37:53.000 And now when you think about your future, how old are you now?

01:37:57.000 I don't know.

01:37:59.000 I'm just getting old.

01:38:00.000 I think I'm 32. You don't know?

01:38:03.000 I'm either 32 or 33. You don't know?

01:38:06.000 89. I was born in 89. And I mean, I could tell you, but I don't...

01:38:11.000 Well, when in what?

01:38:12.000 August of 89?

01:38:13.000 August of 89. What year are we in?

01:38:15.000 2022?

01:38:16.000 You're 32, about to be 33, right?

01:38:19.000 Yeah.

01:38:19.000 Yeah, you're 32 about to be 33. Wait, I'm going 2022 subtract 1989, right?

01:38:25.000 Yes.

01:38:25.000 It says 33, but am I going to be 33 in August?

01:38:28.000 You don't even know.

01:38:29.000 I'm 32. I'm old, dude.

01:38:31.000 She busted out a calculator. 0.99

01:38:33.000 I'm old, it sucks, dude. 0.98

01:38:34.000 I'm 54. Yeah, but you're not fighting, you know? 0.96

01:38:37.000 These girls are coming in here like 18 years old, hot off the press, you know? 1.00

01:38:40.000 How old do you think you'll be when you stop?

01:38:43.000 Well, that was the question, right?

01:38:44.000 My brother's like, do you really want to be fighting when you're 40?

01:38:46.000 That's embarrassing.

01:38:48.000 Your brother said that?

01:38:49.000 Yeah, he told me that one time. 1.00

01:38:50.000 He's trying to fuck with you. 1.00

01:38:51.000 Well, he's always been trying to mess with me my entire life. 1.00

01:38:53.000 That's what brothers do, right?

01:38:54.000 That's embarrassing?

01:38:55.000 What if you're winning at 40? 1.00

01:38:57.000 Shut the fuck up, bro. 1.00

01:38:58.000 What I'm saying is that women are so incredible that why not be fighting when I'm 40, right? 1.00

01:39:03.000 Because women are awesome and we can do everything. 1.00

01:39:06.000 Some women. 1.00

01:39:07.000 Yeah, I don't necessarily think that fighting at that age is a bad thing.

01:39:10.000 It's absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about by any means, but do I want to be fighting when I'm 40?

01:39:13.000 I don't know.

01:39:14.000 Well, Bernard Hopkins was in his prime at 40. He really was.

01:39:17.000 He was destroying people at 40. He fought all the way up until he was 50 at a world-class level.

01:39:22.000 Wow.

01:39:22.000 And see, that's what people are telling me now.

01:39:24.000 I'm in my prime now, so am I going to be in my prime in my 40 now when I'm 40?

01:39:27.000 I don't know.

01:39:28.000 I think that primes today are different because of nutrition and because of strength and conditioning methods and because of recovery methods.

01:39:35.000 I think people are able to maintain their prime longer.

01:39:39.000 However, when it comes to strength and conditioning and all these different things, like one thing that you have to take into account with fighting is damage. 0.99

01:39:47.000 And so many fighters, by the time they get to a certain age, their necks fucked, their backs fucked, their knees are fucked. 0.99

01:39:53.000 There's something wrong. 1.00

01:39:54.000 Yeah.

01:39:55.000 And then they're just not 100% ever.

01:39:59.000 They're always going to be a shadow of what they were five years ago, six years ago.

01:40:03.000 And you see it in fights.

01:40:04.000 You see the deterioration.

01:40:06.000 And a lot of it's just based on the amount of damage they take in training in fights.

01:40:10.000 Yeah.

01:40:10.000 That's why, again, it's very important that you try to capitalize on every opportunity that you get.

01:40:19.000 And that means monetary-wise, because I'm pretty sure I'm going to need knee replacements when I'm like 50 or 60. You think so?

01:40:26.000 Probably.

01:40:26.000 Why do you think that?

01:40:27.000 Because I've had two knee surgeries, right?

01:40:29.000 And don't people get knee replacements or hip replacements and stuff like that?

01:40:32.000 I'm going to have to have pooled money from somewhere to have this type of surgery.

01:40:35.000 I mean, my surgeon, he told me, when I asked him that question, he says, by the time you're going to have to be worrying about that, we'll be living on the moon.

01:40:44.000 They always thought that, though.

01:40:45.000 Technology will have advanced by the time you get there.

01:40:50.000 Michael Bisping has two fake knees now.

01:40:52.000 See?

01:40:53.000 Yeah.

01:40:53.000 See?

01:40:54.000 But he was an animal.

01:40:55.000 Bisping, when he was training, he was in agony.

01:40:57.000 His knees were chewed up and he'd still run 10 vials.

01:41:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:00.000 Just mangle his fucking knees. 1.00

01:41:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:02.000 Well, road work is super important. 1.00

01:41:04.000 Yeah.

01:41:04.000 You know, he's just one of those guys.

01:41:07.000 Just all grit.

01:41:09.000 Not just all grit.

01:41:10.000 Obviously talent.

01:41:12.000 Intelligence as well. 0.99

01:41:13.000 But just so much fucking grit that he wore his knees out. 0.99

01:41:16.000 But the knee replacement thing is a scary one. 0.99

01:41:19.000 Totally.

01:41:19.000 Because I feel like we're so close to being able to figure it out with biologics.

01:41:24.000 They're so close with stem cells and different things that are regenerating tissue that you might be able to fix it.

01:41:30.000 Yeah.

01:41:31.000 Without having to put some sort of a plastic version of a kneecap in there. 0.62

01:41:35.000 Well, and I've had those treatments.

01:41:37.000 I had PRP injections, and I can tell you, okay, first off, the most pain I've ever been in was coming out of that knee surgery.

01:41:45.000 The second most pain that I've ever been in is when I got the PRP. Really?

01:41:49.000 I was in excruciating pain. 0.99

01:41:51.000 I was going to stab that doctor with my little pen I had. 0.99

01:41:54.000 I was screaming. 0.99

01:41:55.000 I begged her to stop.

01:41:57.000 I was like, I don't want this anymore.

01:41:58.000 Why was this so painful?

01:41:59.000 I was like, do you hate me?

01:42:01.000 That's how I felt.

01:42:02.000 Like, why are you doing this to me?

01:42:04.000 Because I know after my fight, I think Sarah McMahon had told me when I fought Sarah that she had got it and it wasn't painful for her.

01:42:11.000 So she's like, I don't really know what you're talking about.

01:42:12.000 But the PRP injection that I experienced was the most painful thing I've ever experienced in my life.

01:42:17.000 And I will never get it again because I was in so much pain.

01:42:20.000 Really?

01:42:21.000 That's weird.

01:42:21.000 I've had Regenikine, which is a very similar process to PRP, where they take your platelets, they take your blood out, and they spin it in a centrifuge, just like PRP, but they add a bunch of stuff to it, and it's really effective.

01:42:33.000 Is it USADA safe?

01:42:34.000 Yeah, it's USADA safe.

01:42:36.000 A lot of fighters have gotten it.

01:42:37.000 In fact, a lot of fighters used to have to go over to Germany to get it.

01:42:41.000 Oh, I see them going to Colombia lately.

01:42:43.000 Yes, that's bioaccelerator.

01:42:45.000 That's stem cells.

01:42:46.000 A lot of guys go over there.

01:42:48.000 That's a good thing, too.

01:42:49.000 But anyway, I've had Regina Keene done a bunch of times, and I never felt that kind of pain.

01:42:54.000 So I don't know.

01:42:54.000 Maybe that lady did hate you.

01:42:57.000 She told me that she has her NFL guys, the Bears players, she says that they cry.

01:43:02.000 She says that I handled it better because she's done it to some of the Bears players and they cried.

01:43:07.000 Really? 0.77

01:43:07.000 I thought she was just spinning, spinning tails there because I was gonna, I was gonna throttle that chick. 0.77

01:43:13.000 I don't know why it would be so painful. 0.86

01:43:15.000 That's weird.

01:43:16.000 It was really painful.

01:43:17.000 But I do hope that like Dr. Kovitny says that we'll be living on the moon by the time I have to worry about that type of situation.

01:43:23.000 However, when I do get to that point, I'm gonna need to pull some money from somewhere to get it done, you know?

01:43:27.000 Yeah.

01:43:28.000 What do you think you're gonna do when you stop fighting?

01:43:32.000 That's a really good question.

01:43:33.000 So I wanted to talk to you about something.

01:43:36.000 Campbell McLaren.

01:43:38.000 Love him.

01:43:38.000 I love Campbell.

01:43:39.000 Love Campbell.

01:43:40.000 Campbell's the reason why I got into the UFC. I know.

01:43:42.000 He told me he hired you.

01:43:43.000 He hired me to be the backstage interviewer.

01:43:44.000 Yes, yes.

01:43:45.000 I actually saw an interview of you and him the other day.

01:43:48.000 He sent it to me.

01:43:48.000 And you guys are talking about cars.

01:43:50.000 Like he was going to start a car show or something like that.

01:43:53.000 It was going to be like about fast cars.

01:43:54.000 And you're young.

01:43:55.000 You got all this head full of hair.

01:43:57.000 It's hilarious.

01:43:59.000 But Campbell McLaren hired me as his color commentator for Combate Global.

01:44:05.000 Oh, nice.

01:44:05.000 So I was, during this camp with Amanda, flying down to Miami every Friday.

01:44:10.000 And I was going to the Univision Studios and I was their on-air commentator for streaming on Paramount+.

01:44:15.000 Oh, nice.

01:44:16.000 So I've dabbled a little bit in commentating.

01:44:19.000 I love commentating.

01:44:20.000 I mean, I could talk about MMA all day.

01:44:21.000 I could talk to a rock about this stuff.

01:44:22.000 I love commentating and I love MMA. Well, what about doing a podcast on MMA? The beautiful thing about that is you would control it.

01:44:30.000 Yeah.

01:44:30.000 So it doesn't matter if it's Bellator, PFL, one championship.

01:44:35.000 You could do a podcast on MMA and obviously you're great at talking and you're very opinionated.

01:44:42.000 It's perfect for you.

01:44:44.000 Well, and Chad, my agent was just telling me about this, like, we've got to get you on a podcast.

01:44:48.000 I feel two ways about it.

01:44:49.000 Number one, I don't even know how to use TikTok.

01:44:51.000 I don't.

01:44:52.000 I don't have a TikTok.

01:44:53.000 I don't know how to use it.

01:44:54.000 But you won't have to.

01:44:55.000 You're doing a podcast right now and you're killing it right now.

01:44:57.000 You're doing great.

01:44:58.000 So if you did what you're doing right now by yourself, you could do that.

01:45:03.000 So the second part of that is timing.

01:45:08.000 Everyone wants to, are you ready to go to Hollywood to make movies?

01:45:11.000 Are you ready to do this?

01:45:11.000 And like, all I want to talk about or do is fighting and focus on my career right now.

01:45:16.000 So I feel like doing a podcast, especially being a single mom, it's It's taking away from training and being a mom.

01:45:24.000 It's hours.

01:45:26.000 Sometimes your podcasts are three hours long.

01:45:28.000 Yeah, but you don't have to do that.

01:45:29.000 You don't have to do hours.

01:45:30.000 You could just do one hour.

01:45:31.000 What you could do is have it set up where you have some sort of a room that's got a table and a microphone, a camera on you, and you just talk about how you feel about upcoming match-ups.

01:45:44.000 Or after the fight.

01:45:46.000 That's a great one.

01:45:47.000 Campbell gave me all the equipment.

01:45:49.000 I have a Yeti microphone and I got the headset.

01:45:52.000 He sent me the camera.

01:45:54.000 I just don't know how to do anything.

01:45:56.000 You can learn.

01:45:57.000 You're smart.

01:45:57.000 Yeah, no, I am.

01:45:59.000 I think I probably haven't done it because I feel like every Tom, Dick and Harry has a podcast.

01:46:03.000 Every day you wake up is like a new guy starting a podcast.

01:46:06.000 And then I also feel like timing is an issue for me.

01:46:09.000 Every Tom, Dick, and Harry is not the UFC bantamweight champion of the world.

01:46:12.000 True.

01:46:13.000 True.

01:46:14.000 That means a lot.

01:46:16.000 Yeah.

01:46:16.000 Dude, you beat the goat.

01:46:18.000 And I feel this way about myself.

01:46:20.000 I'm like, nobody really cares, do they?

01:46:22.000 They do care.

01:46:23.000 Also, you're an engaging person.

01:46:26.000 You're interesting, you're funny, you're smart, and you can do something like that.

01:46:30.000 If someone has a camera on you and you start talking about the UFC, people would go like, oh, what does Juliana think about this?

01:46:36.000 And they'll tune in.

01:46:38.000 Yeah.

01:46:38.000 I think it's a great way for you to set up what you could do in the future.

01:46:43.000 Look at Brandon Schaub.

01:46:44.000 He makes infinitely more money now than he ever did when he was fighting.

01:46:48.000 He doesn't have to fight ever again in his life.

01:46:49.000 He's a great crossover in that regard, absolutely.

01:46:52.000 And other guys are doing that now, too.

01:46:55.000 Josh Thompson has a great podcast.

01:46:57.000 He does a big John McCarthy.

01:46:58.000 Another excellent example.

01:47:00.000 Those guys, I mean, who better to learn about or listen to talk about fights than Josh?

01:47:06.000 He's been around forever.

01:47:07.000 He was one of the best in the world at one point in time.

01:47:09.000 Big John McCarthy, veteran, been around, seen everything.

01:47:12.000 Those two guys together, perfect.

01:47:14.000 Yeah, but doesn't that also require more homework and study on my end?

01:47:18.000 You're talking about after fighting or during fighting?

01:47:20.000 Either or.

01:47:21.000 Yeah, after fighting, I could see that all day long, but for the most part, people ask me about fights and stuff, and I'm like, this is going to sound horrible, super selfish.

01:47:29.000 I don't care about anybody but myself, and I don't care.

01:47:31.000 I have no idea.

01:47:33.000 You probably know more about it than I do because all I care about is this fighter right here.

01:47:38.000 That's the only one that I'm concerned about.

01:47:40.000 So I would have to do study.

01:47:42.000 I would have to know these guys more.

01:47:45.000 And I already do that on the side with combate.

01:47:47.000 So that's hard enough as it is because every week I'm flying down there on Friday to have to talk about these fighters.

01:47:51.000 I mean, it's work.

01:47:52.000 I get it, but I think that sets you up for a podcast.

01:47:55.000 Doing the Kabate stuff, that allows you to get a base under you. 1.00

01:47:59.000 Just like a base of training from Cardio Kickboxing, that's a base of training to eventually go do a podcast.

01:48:05.000 Yeah, and thank God for Campbell McLaren for giving me that opportunity.

01:48:08.000 Shout out to Campbell!

01:48:09.000 Yeah, for giving me that opportunity.

01:48:11.000 He's so funny, isn't he?

01:48:12.000 What you could do, though, is you could do a post-fight thing and it'd be much easier.

01:48:17.000 Yeah.

01:48:17.000 So just, I mean, imagine just two big fights.

01:48:19.000 Like look at Cyril Ghosn and Francis Ngannou and Brandon Moreno, Davis and Figueredo.

01:48:25.000 Just from watching those fights, you'll have so many opinions.

01:48:28.000 Just those.

01:48:29.000 And it doesn't even have to be a whole hour.

01:48:31.000 But the idea is like get used to doing it.

01:48:33.000 Get used to doing it.

01:48:35.000 Do it.

01:48:35.000 Put it out there.

01:48:36.000 And then eventually it could be a business that's really profitable.

01:48:39.000 Yeah.

01:48:40.000 Yeah.

01:48:40.000 I think you're right.

01:48:42.000 And I think that Chad's been telling me that.

01:48:46.000 And I just have to find and figure out a way to facilitate it.

01:48:49.000 Because like I said, I do have all the equipment.

01:48:50.000 I just need to learn how to use it.

01:48:53.000 I have a Mac.

01:48:54.000 I just don't know how to use it.

01:48:55.000 That won't be hard to do.

01:48:56.000 That's not hard to do. 1.00

01:48:57.000 The hard part is having a fucking personality. 1.00

01:48:59.000 And you have that. 1.00

01:49:00.000 Yeah.

01:49:00.000 That's the hard part.

01:49:01.000 You already have the hard part. 1.00

01:49:02.000 You got that shit dialed in. 1.00

01:49:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:05.000 Thanks.

01:49:05.000 But the other thing to do for you, and I would like to see a lot of fighters do that, is commentary on UFC broadcasts.

01:49:13.000 DC is obviously the big dog over there, but Paul Felder does an amazing job.

01:49:17.000 Dominic Cruz is fantastic at it.

01:49:19.000 It was one of those things where I was falling on deaf ears again.

01:49:22.000 I've asked.

01:49:23.000 I've told them.

01:49:24.000 I've wanted to do it, and I'm just talking to a wall.

01:49:27.000 That'd be great, but nobody's listening to me.

01:49:30.000 Maybe they'll listen now that you're the champ.

01:49:31.000 Maybe it's more likely.

01:49:33.000 Because I think that, you know, we need a woman's perspective, especially a veteran woman's fighting perspective, on, you know, big fights.

01:49:42.000 You know, there's not much difference between men and women when it comes to fighting, but there's enough that I would want to hear from a championship woman's perspective.

01:49:51.000 And when it comes to a big fight, like say, you know, if Valentina's fighting someone, you fought Valentina, and doing commentary, like, that happens all the time in boxing.

01:50:00.000 Right.

01:50:01.000 People who fought people would do commentary.

01:50:03.000 That would be fantastic.

01:50:04.000 Yeah.

01:50:05.000 And that also reminds me of I thought for a long time, and that's refreshing to hear you say that, actually, because I thought for a long time they just don't want to hear what a chick has to say about fighting, maybe. 0.54

01:50:16.000 Well, Megan Levy does it. 1.00

01:50:18.000 Yeah, but Megan O'Leavy is not, you know, sitting on the booth with you guys and walking through the fight as a caller commentator. 1.00

01:50:24.000 She could.

01:50:25.000 She could, but she's just kind of providing information about who's about to go get into the octagon.

01:50:30.000 It's different.

01:50:30.000 I'm like, they must not, like, respect what a woman's opinion would be because it's been how long that they have never allowed a woman to, like, sit next to you guys and do what you guys do, like, together.

01:50:40.000 You three.

01:50:41.000 Well, other than you, who would it be?

01:50:42.000 A third woman in the booth.

01:50:43.000 But other than you, who would it be?

01:50:45.000 Right?

01:50:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:50:45.000 Yeah.

01:50:46.000 You want someone...

01:50:47.000 DC's got a big personality.

01:50:48.000 Sure.

01:50:49.000 And DC and I are tight.

01:50:50.000 Yeah.

01:50:50.000 So when we do it together with John Anik, it's like we love each other.

01:50:54.000 Totally.

01:50:54.000 So it comes out.

01:50:55.000 And Megan.

01:50:56.000 I love Megan, too.

01:50:57.000 Totally.

01:50:57.000 But we...

01:50:57.000 You could do that, too.

01:50:59.000 Yeah.

01:50:59.000 Like, 100%.

01:51:00.000 I have 100% faith in you.

01:51:02.000 Yeah.

01:51:02.000 I would 100% hire you to do that.

01:51:04.000 Yeah.

01:51:05.000 I mean, I would, too.

01:51:06.000 But again, I'm just my own advocate here.

01:51:08.000 Just trying to think I'm my biggest fan.

01:51:10.000 A big professional fight that involved women. 1.00

01:51:15.000 Not even just women. 0.51

01:51:16.000 Let's talk about men's fight for a second.

01:51:18.000 What did you think about the Moreno and Figueredo fight?

01:51:22.000 I will have to go watch it again.

01:51:24.000 But after it was over, I thought Moreno had done the winner decision.

01:51:28.000 And the thing that drives me crazy is they always say, what have they said forever?

01:51:31.000 In order to be the champ, you've got to beat the champ.

01:51:33.000 Decisively.

01:51:34.000 Definitively.

01:51:35.000 I don't feel like he was definitively leaps and bounds above Moreno.

01:51:40.000 I was shocked because I figured he had done enough to retain his belt.

01:51:46.000 So I was like, I was not a happy camper about that.

01:51:50.000 I'd have to watch it again, because sometimes when you watch a fight live, you're just so caught up in the fight.

01:51:55.000 I always say that if you're doing commentary, you're not really scoring a fight.

01:51:58.000 Because when you're doing commentary, you're just trying to give life.

01:52:02.000 You're trying to express things that enhance the people's enjoyment of the fight.

01:52:11.000 I'm doing it for fans, where they...

01:52:15.000 Realize that I'm one of them.

01:52:16.000 I'm a fan too.

01:52:17.000 I'm so pumped and excited about this that I hope it enhances their viewing pleasure.

01:52:25.000 That's what I'm trying to do.

01:52:26.000 But you can't do that and score. 1.00

01:52:28.000 So if I was going to score really accurately, I would have a piece of paper and I would shut my fucking mouth. 0.99

01:52:36.000 When Eddie Bravo used to score fights, he would do in-between round scoring like Harold Letterman does in boxing. 0.99

01:52:43.000 And he would have two pieces of paper with two sides to it, and he would write down takedowns, this, that, submission attempts, kicks, punches, he'd mark all those things down, and then afterwards he would add in what did more damage, think about it in his set,

01:52:58.000 and then he would give a perspective.

01:53:00.000 It was pretty accurate that way.

01:53:01.000 But when you're doing that, you're not talking.

01:53:04.000 When you're doing that, you're just sitting and watching.

01:53:06.000 When I'm talking, I'm trying to make it exciting.

01:53:08.000 Sure.

01:53:09.000 I'm trying to...

01:53:10.000 You're adding color.

01:53:12.000 Yes, I'm adding color.

01:53:13.000 I'm trying to make it exciting and I'm trying to honor their performances.

01:53:18.000 Right.

01:53:18.000 Even though I was making a lot of goofy noises when you're fighting.

01:53:21.000 Yeah.

01:53:22.000 I was trying to honor your performance.

01:53:24.000 I wanted everyone to know how I really felt. 0.98

01:53:27.000 This is fucking amazing. 0.97

01:53:28.000 I want that to be contagious. 0.99

01:53:31.000 Right.

01:53:31.000 And I'll segue that by saying that I think that obviously I'm biased towards Moreno winning the fight because he's Mexican and he's Hispanic like I am.

01:53:38.000 And he's fighting a Brazilian like I did.

01:53:41.000 And then he also, in some regard, did the impossible too.

01:53:44.000 Because nobody counted him out.

01:53:45.000 This guy's last seed on the Ultimate Fighter.

01:53:47.000 You know, he took a fight on short notice the first time they fought.

01:53:50.000 Second time, it wasn't even close.

01:53:51.000 He just closed Figueiredo out.

01:53:53.000 And then the third time, I'm trying to look at his fight and relate it to my own career.

01:53:57.000 And being like, this guy is not supposed to win.

01:53:59.000 This guy is not supposed to have the belt, but he made it happen anyways.

01:54:02.000 And so, of course, I'm biased towards Moreno.

01:54:05.000 Because, you know, I feel like we're in the same position.

01:54:07.000 We're the underdogs.

01:54:08.000 And so that's where I think my bias comes into play.

01:54:12.000 But I also think he did great.

01:54:14.000 You know, yeah, you got knocked down, but you didn't stop him.

01:54:16.000 And he came back and he hurt you too, you know.

01:54:18.000 So it was a close fight.

01:54:20.000 I would have to watch it.

01:54:21.000 It was a close fight.

01:54:22.000 It didn't seem like a robbery to me, but it did seem like, again, I'd have to watch it.

01:54:28.000 I was surprised.

01:54:30.000 I thought Moreno had done enough.

01:54:31.000 Well, my question is this.

01:54:34.000 How do you, for example, you've been doing this since the UFC started.

01:54:39.000 You know?

01:54:40.000 Or pretty damn close.

01:54:41.000 UFC 12 was the first one I worked at.

01:54:43.000 Sure.

01:54:44.000 You've been doing it for a long time.

01:54:45.000 Don't you get burnt out sometimes?

01:54:48.000 You say I would have to rewatch it.

01:54:50.000 Wouldn't that be such a taxing chore for you to have to do because you already watched it and you already had to call it?

01:54:56.000 That's hilarious.

01:54:56.000 I don't think like that at all.

01:54:57.000 No, I get pumped to watch that fight again.

01:54:59.000 Yeah?

01:54:59.000 No, I re-watch fights all the time.

01:55:01.000 Do you?

01:55:01.000 I love them.

01:55:02.000 Yeah?

01:55:02.000 Oh, I'm not burned out even a little.

01:55:04.000 Yeah, that would be hard, right?

01:55:06.000 No, the only thing that was hard for me was travel.

01:55:08.000 The only thing that was hard to me, like the flights to England, Australia, and Brazil.

01:55:13.000 I loved being there when the fights were on.

01:55:15.000 It was just physically, I do so many other things.

01:55:18.000 The problem is if you fly back from Brazil, Brazil's awesome.

01:55:21.000 But when you fly back, I'm wrecked.

01:55:23.000 For days.

01:55:24.000 So that means my performance in everything else is off.

01:55:27.000 So my performance in training is off when I do jiu-jitsu.

01:55:30.000 My performance in doing comedy is off because I'm tired. 0.99

01:55:32.000 My performance in podcasting is off because my brain is fucking flat. 0.98

01:55:36.000 That's all that is. 0.96

01:55:37.000 But even having to be up to speed with every single fighter.

01:55:41.000 I mean, they're just filtering these guys in left and right.

01:55:44.000 And having to have that knowledge on who's fighting every time has got to be taxing, right?

01:55:49.000 I love it.

01:55:49.000 No, no problem at all.

01:55:50.000 Yeah?

01:55:50.000 No, no.

01:55:51.000 That's my favorite thing.

01:55:52.000 I think for me, I would say because I've been commentating with Combate that the struggle has been that I'm trying to be on my own thing.

01:55:58.000 Yes.

01:55:58.000 And then having to travel every week to be talking about these guys.

01:56:01.000 And of course I love doing it.

01:56:03.000 But like my brain, especially leading up to Amanda, I had to tell them a month ahead of time that I had to quit because I needed to focus on myself.

01:56:09.000 It was hard for me to be present calling these fights when I'm like, I'm making a mistake by being here because I should be training right now.

01:56:16.000 Yeah.

01:56:16.000 No, that completely makes sense.

01:56:18.000 Yeah.

01:56:18.000 But that's a different animal than me.

01:56:20.000 You know, I'm so thankful that I have that gig.

01:56:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:24.000 And I'm so thankful that I was there early on.

01:56:27.000 You know, when I first started working for the UFC, I was on News Radio, which is a sitcom.

01:56:31.000 Kathy Griffin.

01:56:31.000 Yeah.

01:56:32.000 No.

01:56:33.000 Redhead. 0.70

01:56:35.000 She's in that show, is she not?

01:56:37.000 No, it was Vicki Lewis.

01:56:38.000 Kathy Griffin was on Suddenly Susan. 0.99

01:56:41.000 Is that what she was on?

01:56:42.000 Oh, I think you're right.

01:56:43.000 I'm so sorry.

01:56:44.000 No, no, no.

01:56:45.000 It was the same era, I feel like.

01:56:46.000 Kathy's great, but Vicki is the original.

01:56:50.000 She's the OG. Okay.

01:56:51.000 She's the OG. My bad, my bad.

01:56:53.000 But anyway, when I was on that sitcom, I was doing the UFC and flying these fucking puddle jumper planes. 0.99

01:57:01.000 You're like, this thing's going down. 0.93

01:57:03.000 Yeah, like in Dothan, Alabama in weird spots.

01:57:05.000 But people would act like I was doing porn or something.

01:57:09.000 They're like, why are you doing that?

01:57:10.000 Yeah.

01:57:11.000 And I'll be like, I love it.

01:57:12.000 And they're like, bro, you think it's smart that you do cage fighting commentary? 0.99

01:57:17.000 Like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.97

01:57:18.000 Why are you doing backstage interviews at cage fights? 0.99

01:57:21.000 And I'll be like, I don't know what to tell you.

01:57:23.000 I love it.

01:57:24.000 I'm like, I'm not going to stop doing it.

01:57:26.000 And so it was a thing where I was wondering if this was damaging my career, but I was like, I don't care.

01:57:32.000 I love doing it.

01:57:33.000 And then it got...

01:57:35.000 To the point where it was costing me too much money because I would make more money doing stand-up on a weekend than I would doing the UFC and it was hard because I was flying all over the place so I quit in like 98. Oh you did?

01:57:48.000 I didn't know that.

01:57:49.000 Yeah so I did it from 97 to 98. Oh no way.

01:57:51.000 So I did it for two years essentially.

01:57:52.000 At the end of 98 I was like ah.

01:57:54.000 They had one in Japan.

01:57:55.000 I was like I can't go to Japan man I'm busy.

01:57:57.000 Yeah.

01:57:57.000 And so then the UFC was sold to Zufa.

01:58:02.000 And then in 2001, I met Dana and became friends with him.

01:58:07.000 And then he's the one who talked me into doing commentary.

01:58:11.000 Oh, really?

01:58:11.000 And the first time I ever did commentary was UFC 37 and a half.

01:58:15.000 That was the Vitor Belfort versus Chuck Liddell fight.

01:58:20.000 And that was on Best Damn Sports Show, period. 0.92

01:58:22.000 So it was a big deal that they were on Best Damn Sports Show, period. 0.92

01:58:25.000 And I was on Fear Factor.

01:58:26.000 And so he was like, would you do me a favor and do commentary?

01:58:29.000 So I did like the first 15 shows I did for them for free.

01:58:33.000 I didn't even have a contract.

01:58:35.000 I was just doing it for fun.

01:58:36.000 I said, listen, I don't even need any money.

01:58:38.000 I said, just give my friends tickets.

01:58:40.000 So like my friends could watch the fights and I'll go do commentary.

01:58:44.000 It's no big deal.

01:58:44.000 They weren't making any money.

01:58:45.000 They were hemorrhaging money.

01:58:48.000 My dream, like Eddie Bravo and I would always talk back before Zuf had bought the UFC, like, you know what the UFC needs?

01:58:54.000 Because we thought it was the greatest sport in the world.

01:58:55.000 But no one else did.

01:58:57.000 Everyone else thought it was like porn.

01:59:00.000 What did John McCain say? 0.98

01:59:01.000 They were trying to get this human cockfighting. 1.00

01:59:03.000 Yes.

01:59:04.000 So we were like, you know what the sport needs?

01:59:07.000 The sport needs some crazy billionaire who's a fan to just dump a bunch of money into it and make it so that everybody could see what we see and just put it out there.

01:59:18.000 And that's what happened.

01:59:19.000 The Fertittas. 0.78

01:59:20.000 The Fertittas. 0.78

01:59:21.000 Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta came along and they literally did exactly what we were saying.

01:59:26.000 They were giant fans who did martial arts.

01:59:29.000 They practiced martial arts.

01:59:31.000 And then they hired Dana, who was their high school buddy.

01:59:33.000 And then they turned it into what it is today.

01:59:35.000 But it was literally like a dream come true for me.

01:59:38.000 So I just wanted to help.

01:59:39.000 So I was willing to do it for free.

01:59:41.000 So I did the first 15 shows for free.

01:59:44.000 That's nuts.

01:59:45.000 And then it got to be the point, that's me.

01:59:47.000 Oh, so cute.

01:59:47.000 Look at all my hair.

01:59:48.000 So then it got to the point where I was doing a lot of them.

01:59:55.000 And I was like, look, I'm doing this all the time.

01:59:57.000 And then they said, I think we should start paying you money.

02:00:00.000 Were you like, yeah, I will graciously take that.

02:00:03.000 Well, you know, they were very generous.

02:00:06.000 But it was a weird situation where it was like I'm doing a job, but I'm doing a job for free.

02:00:11.000 But I've been doing it for free for so long.

02:00:13.000 Yeah, this is a spy.

02:00:14.000 It says, Campbell McLaren was born entrepreneur at UFC 17. He spoke to Joe Rogan about a new program called Street Legal.

02:00:20.000 Do you remember this?

02:00:22.000 I do.

02:00:22.000 He had like some racing show he was putting together.

02:00:25.000 Campbell's always got something going on.

02:00:27.000 Yeah, like that's you and him back in the day.

02:00:30.000 Yeah.

02:00:30.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

02:00:32.000 Yeah.

02:00:32.000 Well, Campbell's the reason why I got hired.

02:00:34.000 Yeah.

02:00:35.000 He's friends with my manager.

02:00:36.000 Is he?

02:00:37.000 From the comedy club days.

02:00:38.000 Nice.

02:00:38.000 And Campbell was involved in this comedy club that my manager was involved with, like, way back in the day.

02:00:44.000 Yeah.

02:00:44.000 And then, you know, they had a conversation, I think, a casual conversation.

02:00:48.000 I don't think he was even asking about me.

02:00:51.000 They had a conversation.

02:00:52.000 Campbell was like, I need to get a new backstage interviewer where we need to hire a new guy.

02:00:58.000 Yeah.

02:00:59.000 And they were talking and he goes, well, I think Joe's really into UFC. And he goes, you think he would do it?

02:01:04.000 I was like, well, let's call him up.

02:01:05.000 So they called me up. 1.00

02:01:06.000 I'm like, fuck yeah! 0.99

02:01:07.000 And they're like, you're going to have to fly to the middle. 0.99

02:01:10.000 It was supposed to be Albany, but then New York State canceled it.

02:01:13.000 And then I had to fly to Dothan.

02:01:15.000 But I mean, I got to be there for Vitor's debut.

02:01:18.000 I got to see Randy Couture's debut.

02:01:21.000 I got to see so many, Tito Ortiz's debut, Guy Metzger's debut.

02:01:26.000 I got to see so many historical fights.

02:01:29.000 Mikey Burnett when he was in his prime.

02:01:31.000 I got to see Pat Miletic when he was defending his title.

02:01:35.000 I mean, I feel very honored and privileged.

02:01:38.000 Blessed, yes.

02:01:39.000 God, this is incredible to be there. 1.00

02:01:41.000 And these are like fucking high school auditoriums and shit that these fights would take place in. 0.99

02:01:47.000 There was no rules. 1.00

02:01:48.000 There was nut shots.

02:01:49.000 You could pull hair.

02:01:50.000 Everybody wore shoes.

02:01:51.000 You didn't have to have gloves.

02:01:53.000 When I started, it was bare knuckle.

02:01:54.000 That's crazy.

02:01:55.000 I saw Mark Coleman.

02:01:57.000 Mark Coleman beat Dan Severin to become the first ever UFC heavyweight champion.

02:02:02.000 That was the first time I did a post-fight interview. 1.00

02:02:05.000 Shit in my pants. 1.00

02:02:06.000 Nice. 1.00

02:02:06.000 Talking to the hammer. 1.00

02:02:07.000 Yeah.

02:02:07.000 I met him.

02:02:08.000 I got some pictures with him before.

02:02:10.000 I actually sat next to Chuck Liddell for this fight or fights on Saturday.

02:02:15.000 Oh, really?

02:02:15.000 Yeah, but I was so, like, I didn't know how to feel and maybe you can help me out with this because, like, two UFCs before I sat right behind him and it was the first time I'd ever seen him before.

02:02:25.000 And Valentina was fighting Lauren Murphy and he was just like...

02:02:29.000 Not happy, you know, he's like women's fighting is and I was like you're breaking my heart Chuck cuz he said that he was like the whole fight and I was Not I'm not gonna repeat but I was like you you literally said that to you No, he's talking in front of me, 0.98

02:02:45.000 but like he's watching the fight and you can just tell he's just you know upset so I I don't know how anybody could watch Valentina perform and perform against Laura Murphy was she put on a fucking show Yeah. 0.88

02:02:56.000 And then I sat next to him at the UFC this last time and I think that I was trying to be like, you know, give him a chance, you know, because maybe he was just having a bad night that night.

02:03:06.000 And I think, you know, the second time meeting him was more pleasant.

02:03:10.000 And I was thinking to myself, this is so weird because his generation back when he was starting is just so different from this generation.

02:03:19.000 But what's interesting is that you've seen like All the generations, you know what I mean?

02:03:24.000 You've seen those Mark Coleman moments, those Dan Severn moments, those Chuck Liddell moments, all the way up to current day, and that's nuts.

02:03:31.000 It just also goes to show you how new the sport is, but how much more mainstream it's getting.

02:03:36.000 It's getting very mainstream.

02:03:38.000 But yeah, when I started, the difference between the skill level then versus now is there's not another sport where you can go back to, I mean, when I started it was 97. There's not another sport where you go back to 97 and then look at the difference in the caliber of the athletes and it's so night and day.

02:03:56.000 Yeah.

02:03:56.000 What other sport is like that?

02:03:58.000 Not just the difference in the caliber of the athletes, but the difference in the sport itself.

02:04:05.000 What's recognized and respected as sport.

02:04:08.000 It's so different.

02:04:10.000 It's infinitely evolved.

02:04:13.000 What are your thoughts on those scoring systems?

02:04:16.000 I think in Kansas City where it's round by round, they give the live scoring, they show the live scoring.

02:04:20.000 I think they should do that.

02:04:23.000 You do?

02:04:23.000 Yeah, I think round by round is the best way to go because then you hold the judges accountable.

02:04:27.000 How do we get rid of these problems that we're having with these judges?

02:04:30.000 I think you need to hire fighters for judges.

02:04:32.000 And I know some fighters like Ricardo Almeida, he's done some judging and some other, you know, we had Frank Trigg was in the Octagon during this, and so he was as a referee.

02:04:43.000 I think that's...

02:04:44.000 You have to really know martial arts to be a judge.

02:04:48.000 And then I think it's also very subjective.

02:04:52.000 I think there's some very good judges.

02:04:53.000 Don't get me wrong. 0.99

02:04:54.000 But I think there's some scoring that's just a little fucking... 0.97

02:04:58.000 And it's a real problem when you go to regional judging. 0.97

02:05:01.000 If you go to a town that's not used to having a UFC and then they have regional judges or regional referees and they fuck up the fights, that does become a problem.

02:05:10.000 That becomes a real issue.

02:05:13.000 They separate fighters too quickly.

02:05:15.000 They stand people up too quickly.

02:05:17.000 They don't let people work.

02:05:18.000 Maybe they hear the boos of the crowd and they give in to it, unlike a guy like Herb Dean.

02:05:24.000 He's going to referee that fight based on what he knows to be the right way to referee a fight. 0.99

02:05:31.000 Boos and shit don't mean nothing to Herb Dean. 0.99

02:05:33.000 He knows what he's doing. 0.99

02:05:35.000 There's other people that aren't like that.

02:05:37.000 People will boo when someone's clinching against a cage, kneeing legs, and they'll just separate them right away.

02:05:43.000 Like, hey, man, you got to let them fight.

02:05:46.000 I don't think they should be stood up ever.

02:05:49.000 I'm the same.

02:05:49.000 I'm with you.

02:05:50.000 Good.

02:05:50.000 Thank you.

02:05:51.000 I feel like sometimes when they do that, I'm like, what, do you just want to be a part of the show or something?

02:05:55.000 Let them go.

02:05:55.000 What are you doing?

02:05:56.000 You're not the star of the show here.

02:05:58.000 Let the guys fight. 0.99

02:05:59.000 I know people love baseball, but it's so fucking boring. 0.97

02:06:02.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:06:02.000 And it's boring for hours. 0.97

02:06:03.000 Right.

02:06:03.000 You can't let someone be boring for a couple minutes while someone's smushed underneath.

02:06:08.000 Yeah.

02:06:09.000 If someone gets taken down and someone like DC or someone can hold you down and punch you in the face and do that for five minutes... 1.00

02:06:16.000 Tough shit. 0.99

02:06:17.000 Yeah, whose fault is that that you can't get up? 1.00

02:06:19.000 It's your fault.

02:06:19.000 If you want to get up, you should get up.

02:06:21.000 Right.

02:06:21.000 Figure out how to get up.

02:06:21.000 And if you can't get up, that means this person's doing a better job than you.

02:06:25.000 Maybe it's not effective enough.

02:06:27.000 Yeah.

02:06:27.000 Look, we've had people win fights off their back.

02:06:30.000 Right.

02:06:31.000 Kevin Randleman and Bas Rutten fought.

02:06:33.000 Bas Rutten was on the bottom.

02:06:34.000 Yeah.

02:06:34.000 And throwing elbows and punches, and they gave him the decision from the bottom.

02:06:39.000 Yeah.

02:06:40.000 And a lot of people agree with it because he did more damage.

02:06:43.000 He landed more strikes.

02:06:44.000 Well, I think that too.

02:06:45.000 If you're on your back and you're causing damage or even those attacking submissions, just because you're on your back doesn't mean that you're losing. 0.99

02:06:51.000 But sometimes to the naked eye, they're like, oh, this guy sucks. 0.93

02:06:53.000 He's on his back and he can't do anything. 0.99

02:06:55.000 It's like, you don't even know what's going on.

02:06:56.000 Uriah Hall knocks someone out from his guard.

02:06:59.000 Yeah.

02:06:59.000 He knocks him out with punches from his guard.

02:07:01.000 Yeah.

02:07:02.000 I forget who he did it to.

02:07:03.000 I even just saw Kevin Holland do that against Jacare.

02:07:06.000 Oh yeah!

02:07:07.000 Yeah.

02:07:07.000 Kevin Holland fought Joaquin Buckley.

02:07:09.000 He said to him, you got a booger in your nose. 0.96

02:07:12.000 And then he knocked him out afterwards.

02:07:14.000 He pointed to his nose.

02:07:16.000 He said, you got a booger in your nose. 0.92

02:07:18.000 And then he knocked him out.

02:07:19.000 Yeah, he's a character.

02:07:20.000 He's a wild man.

02:07:20.000 He really is.

02:07:21.000 And he's also really talented.

02:07:23.000 He's got so many different levels to his game.

02:07:27.000 I had him on with Travis.

02:07:32.000 What is wrong with my brain today?

02:07:33.000 I had him on with Travis Luter, who's his Jiu Jitsu coach.

02:07:37.000 He's been with him forever.

02:07:38.000 It was a fun conversation.

02:07:40.000 He's working on his wrestling.

02:07:42.000 That was a flaw that he had in his game.

02:07:45.000 But when it comes to knockout power, the way he knocked Jacare out from his back like that, it's crazy.

02:07:51.000 Yeah.

02:07:51.000 I took a page out of that book when I fought Sarah McMahon.

02:07:54.000 I was on my back, but I was still doing damage.

02:07:57.000 You could 100% do damage from your back.

02:07:58.000 I think it was...

02:08:01.000 I think Dwayne Ludwig broke someone's eye socket from his back.

02:08:07.000 Yeah.

02:08:08.000 I think it was Eve Edwards.

02:08:09.000 I think Eve Edwards said that Dwayne Ludwig landed a shot from his back that hurt him.

02:08:14.000 Like, you can land shots from your back.

02:08:16.000 It is possible to do.

02:08:17.000 Now let me ask you, in all of the time, obviously you were doing news radio and then the fear factor and now you've been doing this, but like have you ever fought ever?

02:08:26.000 Like amateur?

02:08:27.000 I had kickboxing fights.

02:08:28.000 You had kickboxing fights.

02:08:29.000 Kickboxing fights and tag with no fights.

02:08:31.000 But not like ever in the octagon?

02:08:33.000 There was no, no, no, no, no.

02:08:35.000 There was no MMA when I was fighting.

02:08:36.000 I had retired by the time, I had retired in 89, I had stopped fighting.

02:08:40.000 That's the year I was born.

02:08:43.000 Yeah, no, fighting didn't come around until like 1993. There was fighting back then, but it was only kickboxing.

02:08:48.000 And so I was Massachusetts State Taekwondo champion four years in a row.

02:08:53.000 And then I won the U.S. Open and I won a bunch of other tournaments, some national tournaments.

02:08:57.000 That's all I did from age 15 to 21 was compete.

02:09:01.000 Did your parents get you in that or you wanted to do it?

02:09:03.000 Yeah, 100% me.

02:09:04.000 My parents did not want me fighting.

02:09:05.000 They never even went to one of my fights.

02:09:07.000 Oh, wow.

02:09:08.000 Yeah, I fought probably like a hundred times.

02:09:10.000 I traveled all over the country and fought in all those tournaments.

02:09:12.000 That's all I did.

02:09:13.000 I had like a socially stunted high school year, like a high school time because all the time in high school, all I was doing was fighting.

02:09:22.000 I was just traveling around the country and competing in tournaments.

02:09:24.000 And were you like really popular?

02:09:25.000 Do people know that you're a fighter?

02:09:27.000 I mean, I was a weirdo.

02:09:30.000 You think?

02:09:30.000 Yeah, I was a socially awkward weirdo.

02:09:32.000 I mean, I was popular in some ways because I was kind of cute.

02:09:35.000 And also, people are a little weirded out by the fact that there's this kid that goes to our school that travels around and kicks people in the face.

02:09:44.000 And I was pretty good.

02:09:45.000 I was really good at Taekwondo.

02:09:46.000 It was the first thing that I'd ever done where I realized that I wasn't a loser.

02:09:52.000 We moved around a lot when I was a kid.

02:09:56.000 Why?

02:09:57.000 Well, my mom got divorced when I was young.

02:10:00.000 She separated from my dad and then married my stepdad and we moved to San Francisco because he was going to school there.

02:10:07.000 We lived there from age 7 to 11. I was born in New Jersey, lived there until I was 7, then San Francisco 7 to 11, then Florida 11 to 13, and then Boston 13 to 24. So it was like all of this moving and not having friends and then getting picked on a lot.

02:10:27.000 I got bullied.

02:10:28.000 You did.

02:10:28.000 Yeah.

02:10:28.000 So I was like, I don't like this.

02:10:30.000 So I'm like, I gotta take a martial art.

02:10:33.000 I gotta learn how to fight.

02:10:34.000 And are you still like in contact or like know the people that you started with?

02:10:38.000 A few of them, yeah.

02:10:40.000 One of my very good friends is a guy named Steve Graham and I've been friends with him since I was 15. And he is the guy who talked me to doing stand-up.

02:10:50.000 Oh really?

02:10:51.000 Yeah, because I would make people laugh because we would all be nervous. 1.00

02:10:54.000 Like we would be on a bus or something like headed to a tournament And everybody would be nervous, and I would be the guy talking shit. 0.99

02:11:00.000 I would make everybody laugh, because we were all fucking freaking out. 0.98

02:11:03.000 The thing about Taekwondo is it's definitely less damage than MMA or kickboxing, but when people get knocked out, it's horrible. 0.98

02:11:15.000 Brutal.

02:11:15.000 It's ugly, because it's kicks.

02:11:17.000 Kicks to the head.

02:11:18.000 And so we're all nervous.

02:11:20.000 So I would be the one who broke it up.

02:11:22.000 And also I needed a lot of attention back then.

02:11:24.000 So I was always demanding attention.

02:11:28.000 So when we got to these tournaments, the back room warming up area was like my stage. 0.98

02:11:39.000 And I would be just talking shit and getting everybody... 0.98

02:11:42.000 Getting everybody to laugh. 0.99

02:11:44.000 And then my friend Steve was like, you should be a comedian.

02:11:46.000 I'm like, listen, you think I'm funny because you know me.

02:11:49.000 I go, think about the things that I'm laughing at.

02:11:51.000 These are horrible things. 1.00

02:11:53.000 Everybody else is going to think I'm a fucking asshole. 1.00

02:11:55.000 Yeah, that reminds me actually because you know my friend, he's one of my really good friends, Adam Hunter. 1.00

02:12:00.000 Yeah.

02:12:01.000 Yeah, Adam Greenberg.

02:12:02.000 He's hilarious.

02:12:02.000 So funny.

02:12:04.000 Really good comic.

02:12:05.000 He just texted me the other day and asked me if I would be willing to do like a five or seven minute set for, I don't know, I think they were doing something on Fight Pass where, you know, they got like Shale Sonnen.

02:12:15.000 Oh yeah, he just did that.

02:12:16.000 He just did that.

02:12:18.000 So when I was growing up, I always, the three things that I wanted to be, rapper, boxer, and comedian.

02:12:23.000 Like I remember growing up and being like, I want to be either of these three things.

02:12:27.000 And so I love comedy.

02:12:29.000 I'm a massive comedy fan. 0.99

02:12:31.000 Why don't you fucking do it? 0.99

02:12:33.000 I told him, I think I will. 1.00

02:12:34.000 You could totally do it.

02:12:36.000 But that was my next question to you.

02:12:37.000 Like, okay, you went into comedy.

02:12:38.000 Yes.

02:12:40.000 How do you...

02:12:41.000 You obviously have to write your own jokes, right?

02:12:44.000 Yes.

02:12:44.000 Isn't that the most difficult part?

02:12:45.000 Like, that's gotta be hard.

02:12:47.000 It's definitely hard.

02:12:48.000 To have that material and keep coming back with it.

02:12:51.000 It's also hard to find a premise that interests you.

02:12:56.000 Is that where you start?

02:12:57.000 You start what your material is going to be based on what interests you?

02:13:02.000 Yeah, what you think is funny.

02:13:03.000 Because if you don't think it's funny, the audience is not going to laugh as much.

02:13:07.000 I mean, they might laugh because it's good.

02:13:09.000 But when I know that I have a subject that is really going to work well, it's like what I'm interested in.

02:13:17.000 Like when I start talking about things that mean a lot to me or that make me laugh or that I think are weird, something that makes me pay attention.

02:13:27.000 So that's a big part of it.

02:13:28.000 Because sometimes people just do things that they think are going to work.

02:13:32.000 And those are like trades people, I feel like, more than they're really like an artist.

02:13:37.000 Like they're just saying a thing they think the audience will laugh at.

02:13:41.000 Like if they have a nail and they have a hammer and they hit the nail with the hammer, they're just doing a job.

02:13:46.000 Whereas other people, like you go to see some comics, their personality comes out in their performances and in their subjects.

02:13:55.000 And so you get addicted to the way they think about things and look at the world.

02:13:59.000 So you're obviously funny, you're obviously smart, and you're really good at talking.

02:14:03.000 You can 100% do stand-up.

02:14:05.000 But you would have to think about things that you think that make you laugh and then realize that It is a long, brutal process to become good at comedy.

02:14:15.000 It takes like 10 years to become like a legit headliner. 0.79

02:14:19.000 And it's a long 10 years and you're going to eat shit and there's going to be hostile crowds and you're going to have days where, like you have off training days, you're going to have off show days. 0.96

02:14:29.000 And I think about that. 0.98

02:14:30.000 I think about, I don't think I could handle that, right?

02:14:33.000 Get some heckler in the crowd, I'd be like, let's step outside, guy.

02:14:36.000 You know, you got something to say to me?

02:14:38.000 And then that's the thing, too, is like the fine line, right?

02:14:41.000 Of like, what's offensive and what's funny.

02:14:43.000 Like, I think masks are hilarious.

02:14:45.000 But you start talking about masks and people wearing masks, and then people are going to get offended because all these people have died and yada, yada, yada, you know?

02:14:51.000 So you dance around it.

02:14:52.000 You just got to know how to dance around it.

02:14:54.000 It's like everything else.

02:14:55.000 Well, there's topics that you can touch and topics that you can't touch, and I feel like that's one of the topics that you can't touch, but right now I find hilarious.

02:15:00.000 But it's not a topic you can't touch.

02:15:01.000 There's no topic you can't touch.

02:15:03.000 But here's what it's like.

02:15:04.000 It's like if you want to fight and you want to punch someone, you can't just run up and punch them because they're going to move.

02:15:09.000 You got to set it up.

02:15:10.000 Right.

02:15:10.000 You got to set it up.

02:15:11.000 It's the same thing with comedy.

02:15:12.000 Yeah.

02:15:13.000 The same thing with comedy.

02:15:14.000 And I think every subject can be discussed.

02:15:17.000 Every subject can be discussed.

02:15:18.000 But it's like...

02:15:20.000 How do you discuss it?

02:15:21.000 Like what do you say?

02:15:25.000 What's your take on it?

02:15:26.000 What's interesting about your take?

02:15:27.000 How do you get that take across in the least amount of words possible, but with the clearest impact on people?

02:15:34.000 It's complicated.

02:15:36.000 There's a lot to it.

02:15:37.000 But if you love comedy and you enjoy it, then you kind of probably already have a sense of how it works.

02:15:43.000 It's just like watching fights and you're like, God, I love fights.

02:15:46.000 I wish I could be a fighter.

02:15:47.000 Well, you can, but you ain't going to be great immediately. 1.00

02:15:50.000 It's a fucking bloody road. 1.00

02:15:52.000 Got to take your licks. 1.00

02:15:53.000 Yeah, you can do it.

02:15:54.000 I guarantee you can do it.

02:15:55.000 And that would be a great thing to do along with a podcast.

02:15:59.000 But I'm just putting these things in your head because, you know, there's so many fighters that focus entirely on their career and that's great.

02:16:06.000 But until there's no more career and then they're lost and their identity is completely wrapped up in the fact that they're a fighter.

02:16:15.000 They retire and then they come back to fighting because what else are you going to do?

02:16:17.000 Yeah, and because it's exciting.

02:16:19.000 And that was a thing that Chuck did recently, right?

02:16:21.000 He came back and he fought Tito.

02:16:22.000 And it's like, oof, it's so hard to watch.

02:16:24.000 You don't want to see that.

02:16:25.000 Yeah, love Tito.

02:16:27.000 I mean, I'm sure I would love Chuck, too.

02:16:28.000 I didn't mean to say that, but I'd be just...

02:16:30.000 I get it.

02:16:30.000 You're a girl.

02:16:31.000 He wasn't into girl fighting.

02:16:32.000 Maybe he was drunk.

02:16:35.000 I don't know.

02:16:36.000 I don't know.

02:16:39.000 Could be.

02:16:40.000 He didn't look like he was having a good time that night.

02:16:42.000 Well, that's unfortunate.

02:16:43.000 Some of the best fights I've ever seen are women fights. 1.00

02:16:46.000 I remember there was a Tough Enough event in Las Vegas that Eddie Bravo and I went to back when Tough Enough does those amateur fights.

02:16:53.000 Yeah, my training partner, she's fighting on Tough Enough in March, March 4th, I think.

02:16:57.000 And the first one that was like one of the first women fights that I'd ever saw. 1.00

02:17:02.000 This is before women fights were in the UFC. Yeah. 1.00

02:17:04.000 And it was fucking awesome. 0.96

02:17:06.000 It was a barn burner of a fight. 0.98

02:17:08.000 Who was it?

02:17:08.000 Like Erin Tuffield?

02:17:09.000 I do not remember.

02:17:10.000 But I know Erin.

02:17:11.000 Yeah.

02:17:11.000 She's awesome.

02:17:12.000 Yeah.

02:17:12.000 I do not remember who was fighting.

02:17:15.000 There was two young ladies that I don't know whatever happened to them. 0.99

02:17:19.000 Because this was like 2002 or 2003 or something like that.

02:17:23.000 Sure.

02:17:23.000 Extremely ready to see a chick fight at that point.

02:17:25.000 But I remember we were talking afterwards.

02:17:27.000 We went to dinner.

02:17:28.000 Eddie and I were talking like, that was the best fight of the night. 0.98

02:17:30.000 And it's like, anybody who thinks that girl fights aren't good, that was the best fucking fight of the night. 0.90

02:17:35.000 When Amanda knocked out Cyborg, that was one of the wildest fights I've ever seen in my life. 0.95

02:17:41.000 When you beat Amanda, one of the best fights I've ever seen in my life.

02:17:45.000 Because what do you want out of fighting?

02:17:47.000 Like I said, you want this moment where it's so exciting That while you're in the middle of it, you're going, I can't believe this is really happening.

02:17:57.000 And that's all you're thinking of.

02:17:58.000 All your troubles go away.

02:18:00.000 All you're thinking about is, oh my God, she's going to win. 1.00

02:18:03.000 Oh my God, she's busting her out. 0.79

02:18:05.000 Oh my God, she got her down. 0.98

02:18:07.000 Oh my god, she's got her back!

02:18:09.000 Oh my god, she tapped!

02:18:12.000 It was wild!

02:18:14.000 I mean, that's what everybody wants out of the UFC. That's what everybody wants out of fighting.

02:18:18.000 You want this moment where someone just rises to the occasion.

02:18:23.000 Yeah, and I've always been a fighter that has been able to rise to the occasion.

02:18:27.000 I've always found a way to, I'll quote Ronda Rousey, fight above myself in times.

02:18:32.000 When the rubber meets the road, I mean, I'll bet on myself every time.

02:18:37.000 Well, that's not above yourself.

02:18:38.000 That is yourself.

02:18:39.000 That's what you're capable of.

02:18:40.000 You just have confidence. 0.61

02:18:42.000 There's people that are killers.

02:18:44.000 They just have a killer mentality. 1.00

02:18:46.000 They know they can get shit done. 1.00

02:18:48.000 They might be nervous. 0.99

02:18:49.000 They might be excited.

02:18:52.000 It's a lot. 0.99

02:18:53.000 But they know they can get shit done. 0.99

02:18:55.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:18:56.000 And I also think that, like you said, women's fights are some of the best fights ever. 0.89

02:19:03.000 Yeah.

02:19:03.000 And I think that that's just a credit to women and how incredible women are and what they can do.

02:19:09.000 We're givers of life.

02:19:11.000 We give life.

02:19:12.000 No doubt about that.

02:19:13.000 We're strong.

02:19:14.000 We're so strong.

02:19:15.000 That's the most incredible thing.

02:19:16.000 You're making people inside your body.

02:19:18.000 That is the most bananas thing in the world.

02:19:20.000 Isn't it weird?

02:19:21.000 I don't feel like it gets enough credit.

02:19:22.000 It doesn't.

02:19:23.000 When you think about your life pre-mother and then post-mother, how different are you?

02:19:28.000 It's extremely different because I was a weirdo back before I had a kid in the sense that they'd be like, well, how important is this to you?

02:19:35.000 And I'd be like, I'm a mama bear and I got to protect my cub and my cub's got to eat.

02:19:40.000 But I didn't have a kid.

02:19:41.000 And they'd be like, what are you talking about?

02:19:44.000 This doesn't even make any sense, you know?

02:19:47.000 And I'm like, well, you know what I mean.

02:19:48.000 I'm going to defend as if I did have a kid, you know, and as if I did have to defend for my cub.

02:19:53.000 Now that I'm actually a mom, like, it puts a whole nother level of meaning on top of it.

02:19:58.000 I feel like I have more to fight for now.

02:20:00.000 Like...

02:20:01.000 My kid's a star and I need to make sure that she has the best life possible and everything that she could ever dream and desire.

02:20:08.000 Now I'm actually quite literally the mama bear and making sure that I do everything to defend my real cub.

02:20:17.000 It's a whole different element now.

02:20:20.000 What is it like, because your daughter was in the crowd when you fought.

02:20:24.000 Is that the first time she's seen you fight?

02:20:26.000 No, no.

02:20:27.000 She came with me when I, so I gave birth, I had my baby, and then I took a fight on two weeks notice against Nico Montano.

02:20:33.000 And she was with me the entire time.

02:20:35.000 Wow.

02:20:36.000 And she was just a little baby.

02:20:37.000 She stepped on the scale with me and she was there.

02:20:40.000 How old was she? 0.89

02:20:41.000 She was like a year and some change.

02:20:44.000 Wow.

02:20:44.000 So there's a recovery post giving birth.

02:20:48.000 Yes.

02:20:48.000 What was that like?

02:20:49.000 How long was that?

02:20:50.000 I have to shout out Jennifer Mercier from St. Charles. 1.00

02:20:54.000 Jennifer Mercier changed my life.

02:20:57.000 She's a doctor.

02:21:00.000 She's got her PhD and she has invented this type of therapy. 0.99

02:21:03.000 It's called Mercier therapy.

02:21:05.000 And first and foremost, what she does is women spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on IVF treatments or all sorts of different ways in order to conceive and give childbirth or have kids. 1.00

02:21:16.000 Jennifer, her method is alternative to say, before you do that, just hear me out and let me try to work on you.

02:21:24.000 And then if I can't get you pregnant, then go ahead and spend your tens of thousands of dollars getting pregnant. 1.00

02:21:28.000 She manipulates the body so that your body can be ready to receive and so that you can get pregnant. 1.00

02:21:35.000 She has an astronaut.

02:21:36.000 She has a very high rate of getting women pregnant. 1.00

02:21:38.000 So basically she's a miracle worker.

02:21:40.000 What does she do? 1.00

02:21:40.000 She works on your body so that if you're wanting to have children, she works on your body so that you can get pregnant. 1.00

02:21:47.000 And she gets women pregnant. 1.00

02:21:48.000 But she also heals women from pregnancies. 0.56

02:21:52.000 But what is the method?

02:21:55.000 It's like this massage, like deep type of massage.

02:21:59.000 And she also teaches workshops.

02:22:01.000 Massage?

02:22:02.000 Yes.

02:22:02.000 Massage can help you get pregnant?

02:22:04.000 Yes.

02:22:04.000 Really?

02:22:05.000 But I don't know how she does it.

02:22:06.000 Like I said, she's a miracle.

02:22:07.000 She's got these techniques and she works on you. 0.84

02:22:10.000 It hurts.

02:22:11.000 You're getting your pelvic area worked on.

02:22:14.000 It puts you out to sleep.

02:22:16.000 It's a very intensive type of massage.

02:22:19.000 It's different than a regular body massage.

02:22:21.000 But she has a very high rate of getting women pregnant. 1.00

02:22:24.000 How did she figure that out?

02:22:26.000 I would say her own experience.

02:22:30.000 She has endometriosis.

02:22:31.000 She couldn't get pregnant and she would manipulate and massage and have her husband, ex-husband now, manipulate and work on her. 1.00

02:22:39.000 And then she realized that there wasn't this type of therapy.

02:22:42.000 And she was a midwife too for a long time.

02:22:45.000 And then she just kind of geared it into this, you know, treatment plan that she does. 0.99

02:22:51.000 And she gets women pregnant from all over the world. 1.00

02:22:53.000 People come in from Ireland, from Denmark, they come from all over the world to get pregnant by her. 0.98

02:22:59.000 So yeah, Jennifer Mercier.

02:23:01.000 But what I heard was one of my friends in California, she's a chiropractor, she was like, this girl's on a podcast, she's in the Chicagoland area, you should check her out.

02:23:08.000 And it was Jennifer.

02:23:09.000 So I had a traumatic birthing experience, you know, especially being an alpha female.

02:23:13.000 I was like, I'm ready to give birth.

02:23:15.000 I'm ready to, you know, give birth naturally.

02:23:17.000 I'm not going to take the shot.

02:23:18.000 Like I was ready to do that.

02:23:20.000 My rite of passage as a mother is to give birth, you know.

02:23:23.000 And then I found out that I was like 42 weeks.

02:23:26.000 Baby hadn't dropped.

02:23:27.000 You're not giving birth naturally.

02:23:28.000 You have to get this baby out right now.

02:23:31.000 It's an emergency C-section.

02:23:32.000 Whoa.

02:23:40.000 Wow.

02:23:42.000 Wow.

02:23:47.000 What Jennifer does is she helps your body recover so that your organs are no longer fused together. 0.90

02:23:53.000 The blood flow can go through again and then you can get back into normal life.

02:23:56.000 Your abs can heal back together and everything like that.

02:23:59.000 So I luckily found her through one of my chiropractor friends, Brittany.

02:24:04.000 And I went and she worked on me.

02:24:06.000 She worked on me as a trade. 0.99

02:24:08.000 And...

02:24:10.000 I was able to get back to fighting because of the healing work that she was doing on me.

02:24:15.000 Because if you don't get this work done, your abs don't heal the same way together.

02:24:18.000 You're never quite the same because your organs are fused together.

02:24:22.000 There's no blood flow going through there.

02:24:24.000 Fused together?

02:24:25.000 Why are they fused together?

02:24:27.000 I feel like they get stuck.

02:24:31.000 It's almost like cartilage, you know what I mean?

02:24:33.000 Like when you get a scar or something like that.

02:24:35.000 Okay, so scarring.

02:24:37.000 Yes, the scarring.

02:24:38.000 Because they have to cut you open and move everything around like that?

02:24:41.000 Yes.

02:24:42.000 Yeah, that's got to be brutal.

02:24:43.000 It is.

02:24:43.000 What is it like after a C-section when you got this, like, you're opened up and you got this giant scar down there?

02:24:48.000 Yeah.

02:24:50.000 I felt, in a sense, depressed because I was like, I didn't get to give birth the way that I wanted to.

02:24:56.000 But they're like, having a C-section is still giving birth.

02:24:59.000 And so I was like, but in that moment, I'm literally like, I'm never fighting again.

02:25:04.000 You know what I mean?

02:25:04.000 Because it cut you open like that?

02:25:06.000 Yeah, like I wasn't expecting it.

02:25:07.000 I absolutely didn't think that was gonna happen.

02:25:09.000 I got gutted like a fish and then just have a nice day, you know?

02:25:12.000 And so I was like, yeah, there's no way I'm ever fighting again.

02:25:15.000 I just didn't think it was possible.

02:25:16.000 But Jenny helped me realize, again, having great doctors and great people around you, giving me that confidence that I would absolutely be back.

02:25:24.000 How long did it take before you could train again after that?

02:25:27.000 I mean, at least, like, I want to say, like, 12, maybe 10 to 12 weeks.

02:25:33.000 Oh, wow.

02:25:34.000 I think it's, like, typical six weeks after a C-section, but I don't think I was comfortable training until I felt, like, absolutely better.

02:25:42.000 And I'll also say that...

02:25:44.000 Shoot, I lost my train of thought.

02:25:47.000 Oh, yeah.

02:25:48.000 People want to rush to get back to fighting right away after having a kid.

02:25:52.000 I didn't feel that sense of rush.

02:25:54.000 I didn't feel like, I gotta fight right away, you know?

02:25:56.000 I was like...

02:25:57.000 I just had a baby.

02:25:58.000 I want to enjoy her.

02:25:59.000 You know what I mean?

02:26:00.000 So there was no rush for me to get back into the gym and train right away because I just wanted to enjoy my baby.

02:26:05.000 You know, they're only so small for such a short amount of time.

02:26:07.000 Do you get extra motivation knowing that she's watching you?

02:26:11.000 Yes.

02:26:12.000 I mean, I see her.

02:26:13.000 She's been literally, and since I went to the gym after having her, she's been in a car seat as a tiny little baby up until now four years old, coming to every single training session that I have.

02:26:23.000 We're a package deal, and since I moved to Chicago, I don't have my parents.

02:26:27.000 I don't have anybody, family or sisters, anybody that can watch my kid.

02:26:31.000 Everywhere you go, I go, champ.

02:26:32.000 And so she goes with me everywhere I go.

02:26:35.000 We're a package deal.

02:26:37.000 And she has seen me train every single day.

02:26:39.000 So she'll hang out on the cage and she'll start cheering for me, you know, and I can hear her and she's excited and she knows, you know, she knows what's up.

02:26:46.000 And so, yes, absolutely.

02:26:48.000 I'm like, my baby's out there.

02:26:49.000 That's got to be wild to be a four-year-old and your mom is the champion of the world.

02:26:54.000 I know.

02:26:54.000 I kind of want to know how she feels.

02:26:56.000 But when somebody comes to ask for a picture, it's like, forget it.

02:27:00.000 You might as well just take the picture with her because she is not going to let me take the picture on my own.

02:27:06.000 She'll be like, I want the picture.

02:27:07.000 I want the picture.

02:27:09.000 And she's four, but she's like 14. Like, she's advanced, I feel like.

02:27:13.000 And she's the type of person where it's like, say the Pledge of Allegiance, and it'll be a whole crowd full of people.

02:27:18.000 She'll tell you the Pledge of Allegiance at the top of her lungs.

02:27:20.000 Or she'll sing, you know, You Are My Sunshine.

02:27:22.000 Or, you know, she's just very outgoing, very sociable.

02:27:24.000 She's a little social butterfly. 1.00

02:27:26.000 Do you think she's gonna want to do martial arts? 1.00

02:27:29.000 So she has no choice.

02:27:31.000 Her dad owns a jujitsu gym, and so she trains.

02:27:34.000 And it's hard.

02:27:35.000 The attention span of a little kid is very difficult.

02:27:38.000 So I know that sometimes he has a hard time reining her in.

02:27:40.000 She can be more of a distraction than a help on the mat as far as a little training partner goes. 1.00

02:27:45.000 She's only four.

02:27:46.000 But she absolutely has to learn how to defend herself.

02:27:49.000 She's got to know jujitsu.

02:27:50.000 Yes.

02:27:51.000 With that being said, they ask me, oh, what are you going to do when she wants to fight? 1.00

02:27:54.000 And I'm like, she's not.

02:27:55.000 She's absolutely not going to fight. 0.85

02:27:57.000 Oh, we're going to play this back later.

02:27:59.000 Well, that's the thing, too.

02:28:01.000 Like, listen, take it from me.

02:28:02.000 I've dislocated both my elbows.

02:28:03.000 I've broken every finger and thumb that you can think of.

02:28:07.000 I've torn both my knees out.

02:28:08.000 Like, I've done every horrible thing.

02:28:11.000 A fighter's life is very difficult.

02:28:13.000 It's hard.

02:28:14.000 It's hard on your body.

02:28:15.000 And do I want that for my kid and her to have to experience that?

02:28:19.000 No.

02:28:20.000 No.

02:28:20.000 But if she were to come to me and be passionate and dedicated and, you know, showing me that she's disciplined and wanting to do it for real and that's what her heart truly desires, then of course I'm not going to say no.

02:28:35.000 I'm going to back her.

02:28:36.000 As long as she's happy, she can do whatever she wants.

02:28:38.000 I want her to be happy.

02:28:39.000 So as long as she's happy, whatever that is, and brings her happiness, I'll support.

02:28:43.000 But is that the life that I want for my kid?

02:28:45.000 No.

02:28:46.000 Absolutely not.

02:28:47.000 Well, nobody wants that life for their kid, but nobody wants their kid to be pissed that you didn't let them live that life too.

02:28:56.000 Yeah, but then she's going to have to show me that she wants it.

02:29:01.000 And I don't want her to feel like there's any sort of competition or that she has to do it to make me proud or anything like that.

02:29:07.000 In my opinion, what do I want her to do?

02:29:09.000 Especially because I see her singing.

02:29:10.000 When I ask her to sing in front of other people, she'll sing.

02:29:13.000 I'm like, dude, I'm pretty sure this is how Ariana Grande got her start, right?

02:29:16.000 There's little videos of her as a little baby singing songs.

02:29:19.000 This is my little baby.

02:29:20.000 I think she's a star.

02:29:23.000 I do.

02:29:23.000 I'm like, this girl's going to be in movies and Hollywood and she's going to be a movie star.

02:29:27.000 She's not going to be a fighter.

02:29:28.000 She's going to be something better than that.

02:29:30.000 Who knows?

02:29:31.000 You say better than that, but I don't think there's a better than that.

02:29:34.000 Yeah, not to discredit fighting or fighters.

02:29:37.000 Fighting is amazing, and I'm very happy and fortunate and blessed to do what I do.

02:29:41.000 But I mean better in a sense where you're not going to have to go take punches to the face to make some good money.

02:29:46.000 That's...

02:29:46.000 Yeah, but the thing is, it's like the reward.

02:29:49.000 Right.

02:29:50.000 It's not just your reward that you've got. 0.99

02:29:52.000 I mean, you could speak to this better than I could, but I think your reward that you get from being who you are now is not just money, but it's also like, holy shit, look what you did. 0.98

02:30:03.000 You could do anything. 0.98

02:30:05.000 Now that you beat Amanda, nobody could tell you that you can't do something.

02:30:09.000 Right.

02:30:10.000 You've accomplished something that's spectacular.

02:30:13.000 Right.

02:30:13.000 And that they said was impossible.

02:30:15.000 Yeah.

02:30:16.000 You could do anything.

02:30:18.000 If you decided to go do something else, you could do that too.

02:30:20.000 You already have the mental fortitude to get through that.

02:30:25.000 And it's also the entertainment value.

02:30:28.000 There's no higher entertainment value.

02:30:30.000 In terms of the amount of joy that you gave the world that night, that moment when you beat Amanda and she tapped and you went crazy and everyone went crazy and Very few human beings ever affect people that way.

02:30:45.000 Especially large numbers of people that are watching you.

02:30:48.000 It's such a small group of people that get that window in life where they break through with some performance, some thing they did, some effort, some accomplishment that they achieved that literally changes everyone's life who watched it.

02:31:04.000 Yeah.

02:31:05.000 And that's why fighting gets me excited because I just want to go do it again.

02:31:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:31:11.000 I just want to go do it again.

02:31:12.000 And I am so blessed and fortunate that I get to live this life and give these people this inspiration and this hope and this realization that, hey, Hey, look at me.

02:31:23.000 I'm a mom.

02:31:24.000 I'm a single mom.

02:31:25.000 I'm doing it, you know?

02:31:27.000 If I can do it, you can do it, you know?

02:31:28.000 I'm not saying that you can go be a world champion and be a fighter all of a sudden overnight.

02:31:32.000 No, I've been grinding at this for 13 years.

02:31:34.000 This isn't something that just happened overnight.

02:31:36.000 But I've been putting in my time.

02:31:37.000 I've been putting in my licks.

02:31:39.000 And, you know, this is something that is...

02:31:42.000 I deserve every little bit of success that I have now been able to attain because I've been putting in my time.

02:31:48.000 And so that feels really great.

02:31:50.000 No one can ever take that away from me.

02:31:52.000 And to be that voice of hope and inspiration is an honor.

02:31:57.000 And it makes me excited about fighting.

02:32:00.000 That's what makes me passionate about fighting.

02:32:02.000 It makes me want to do it all over again.

02:32:03.000 I can't wait to do it all over again.

02:32:06.000 But if she could experience that in a different facet...

02:32:11.000 Without brain damage.

02:32:12.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:32:14.000 Then that would make me very happy too.

02:32:16.000 Yeah, well that's awesome.

02:32:17.000 But whatever makes her happy.

02:32:18.000 Yeah.

02:32:19.000 Well listen, congratulations on everything.

02:32:21.000 What you did, like, realistically changed the face of women's fighting forever. 0.99

02:32:29.000 Really did.

02:32:30.000 Yeah.

02:32:30.000 Because you changed the landscape.

02:32:32.000 Yeah.

02:32:32.000 You know, you're the new champion of the world.

02:32:35.000 Thank you.

02:32:35.000 Isn't this wild?

02:32:36.000 Yeah, it is.

02:32:37.000 Thank you.

02:32:38.000 So wild.

02:32:38.000 And I can't wait to see you fight again.

02:32:39.000 And whether it's with Amanda or Valentina or whoever, I can't wait to see you fight again.

02:32:44.000 Thank you.

02:32:44.000 Thanks for being here.

02:32:45.000 Yeah, thank you for the time.

02:32:46.000 Tell everybody how to get a hold of you on social media, what your accounts are.

02:32:50.000 Yes, at Venezuelan Vixen is my handle on Instagram and on Twitter.

02:32:55.000 You can find my name, Juliana the Venezuelan Vixen Pena, on Facebook.

02:33:00.000 I do have a TikTok.

02:33:01.000 I don't know how to use it.

02:33:02.000 I don't have anything posted up there.

02:33:04.000 Do you have a website?

02:33:05.000 Yeah, so I have a link in bio.

02:33:08.000 You can buy my shirts.

02:33:09.000 You can buy designs for sport, which is what I would definitely suggest.

02:33:13.000 You can buy a cameo.

02:33:15.000 I'll sing you happy birthday.

02:33:18.000 I think that's all I got up there right now.

02:33:20.000 My shirt, it says, too fast, too strong, too sexy, too pena.

02:33:26.000 And then on the front it says the Peña Power.

02:33:28.000 So I love that shirt.

02:33:29.000 I think it's great.

02:33:30.000 It's my little knock-off Nike version of my shirt.

02:33:32.000 So I love it.

02:33:34.000 Beautiful.

02:33:34.000 Well, thank you very much.

02:33:35.000 Thanks for being here.

02:33:36.000 Appreciate you.

02:33:37.000 Bye, everybody.

02:33:38.000 Bye-bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 27, 2022

JRE MMA Show #118 with Julianna Peña

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