The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1771 - Andy Stumpf

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00:00:12.000 We were just talking before we started rolling about Mike Glover, who's a guy online who...

00:00:19.000 He's also real life.

00:00:20.000 He is a real life person too.

00:00:22.000 He's not just an animated character.

00:00:25.000 I've met him.

00:00:26.000 He gets a lot of censorship, right? 1.00

00:00:30.000 Don't they censor the shit out of him? 1.00

00:00:31.000 Don't they shadowban him and fuck with his posts? 1.00

00:00:36.000 He teaches preparedness, right? 0.99

00:00:39.000 Yeah, so he owns Fieldcraft Survival, which I would describe as preparedness, not to be confused with...

00:00:44.000 Preppers.

00:00:45.000 Which I don't think has to be a pejorative term.

00:00:49.000 There's a fine line...

00:00:51.000 It's a lot of the end of the world people, right?

00:00:53.000 If you're burying a school bus in your backyard... 0.99

00:00:57.000 And you have like fields of fire and fucking bazookas hidden everywhere. 0.99

00:01:01.000 You've taken it too far. 0.99

00:01:02.000 Having a medical kit in your car and some first aid training like, hey, I can stop bleeding until a higher level of care arrives.

00:01:08.000 I think that's great.

00:01:09.000 So that's preparedness.

00:01:10.000 But Mike owns Fieldcraft Survival.

00:01:13.000 He talks about getting censored.

00:01:15.000 A lot of people talk about getting censored and shadow banned.

00:01:18.000 I can't make heads or tails as to whether or not that is how true it is.

00:01:23.000 Yeah, I'm with you.

00:01:24.000 I'm with you on that. 0.99

00:01:25.000 Some people's stuff is fucking boring. 0.95

00:01:28.000 So the engagement should be lower. 0.99

00:01:32.000 That's so true!

00:01:34.000 But everybody wants to think they're so important, they're put on a list.

00:01:37.000 Have you ever seen somebody complaining about being shadow banned and they have under 100 followers?

00:01:41.000 I have not.

00:01:42.000 Because I have.

00:01:43.000 Oh, really? 0.98

00:01:43.000 It's fucking glorious. 0.98

00:01:45.000 I'm being shadow banned. 0.97

00:01:46.000 I only have seven likes.

00:01:48.000 That's actually a 7% engagement.

00:01:50.000 It's pretty good, dude.

00:01:51.000 I do think it's highly likely that they take people and put them on certain lists, though.

00:01:57.000 Where you don't get distributed as widely.

00:02:00.000 But I think what it is, it's like, if they feel like you have controversial content, they don't want to put you in that search function area.

00:02:07.000 Like, say, Instagram, for instance.

00:02:09.000 You know, like, if you go to the search area of Instagram, you'll discover a bunch of new people and new pages.

00:02:14.000 I don't think I'm ever in that.

00:02:16.000 You know?

00:02:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:18.000 I think I talk too much shit, and I swear, and I show animals getting eaten. 1.00

00:02:23.000 Yeah, the good stuff. 0.99

00:02:24.000 That's the stuff that I'm at Instagram for.

00:02:27.000 It's like nature is metal.

00:02:29.000 That's a good page.

00:02:30.000 That's a great page.

00:02:33.000 But you're never going to find that in the search.

00:02:37.000 You have to completely spell it out, don't you?

00:02:39.000 Yeah, you've got to go looking for nature is metal.

00:02:41.000 That's one of my go-to everyday pages.

00:02:43.000 I go straight there, see what's the new horrific example of survival of the fittest. 0.98

00:02:48.000 I'm actually currently very deep into watching people eat shit on mountain bikes. 0.99

00:02:52.000 It's one of my absolute favorites. 0.99

00:02:55.000 Those poor kids that do the flips and then land poorly.

00:02:59.000 It's not even that.

00:03:00.000 We're talking full, just heroic charges down these hills that are just cambered out and then the bike is going over.

00:03:08.000 The last thing you see is the body folding in half on a tree and the bike coming after.

00:03:12.000 It's awesome.

00:03:14.000 It's taken me a long time to curate my feed to show me mostly these things.

00:03:17.000 It's work.

00:03:21.000 Just it knows Andy likes violence.

00:03:23.000 I don't know if that's violence.

00:03:25.000 That's just...

00:03:26.000 Just chaos?

00:03:26.000 Human beings exploring their flexibility.

00:03:29.000 It's...

00:03:29.000 What's...

00:03:31.000 What?

00:03:31.000 Searching for mountain bike.

00:03:33.000 Oh.

00:03:34.000 It's so good.

00:03:35.000 I'm sure there's a lot of good ones out there.

00:03:37.000 Here's the thing, though, about guys like Mike.

00:03:39.000 I think...

00:03:39.000 Here we go.

00:03:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:43.000 Oh, kid.

00:03:45.000 Oh, and he's tied up in the bike.

00:03:46.000 Oh, I saw a bad one the other day with a skateboard.

00:03:48.000 I think we played it on the podcast, right?

00:03:50.000 Where the dude wiped out, and he wiped out on a skateboard and hit some sort of a sign post, and it ripped his leg in half.

00:03:57.000 Oh, cool.

00:03:58.000 And the bones of his leg were poking out of his shin, and it's like...

00:04:02.000 So here's a question for you.

00:04:04.000 If Mike's on that list...

00:04:06.000 Who decides who gets to go on the list?

00:04:08.000 That's the thing.

00:04:09.000 I think, you know, if you ever pay attention to any of that Project Veritas stuff where they've done undercover camera work with people that work on social media and they talk openly.

00:04:21.000 Project Veritas has quite a few of these undercover expose interviews.

00:04:26.000 Where they'll have a reporter who is pretending they're on a date with a guy, and then the guy will explain what they do in terms of how they shadow ban people, how they keep people's pages from showing up, and how they keep their engagement low.

00:04:43.000 So it is a thing, whether it's a thing on Facebook or Instagram or Twitter, which one does it the most and how they do it, I don't know.

00:04:50.000 But it is a thing.

00:04:52.000 And they do it primarily with conservative pages.

00:04:56.000 They do it if they think that...

00:04:59.000 I think they probably ramp it up around the time where elections come around because they want to make sure that these people don't have as much...

00:05:09.000 If you think about engagement, If you have a page and your page is a, let's say it's a pro-Hillary Clinton page, and Hillary Clinton is running for president, and you engage with a lot of people and your page gets a lot of traction,

00:05:25.000 if they can slow down your page traction, slow down the amount of engagement that you have, they can slow down the amount of people who might be influenced to vote for Hillary Clinton.

00:05:35.000 And say if you have a half a million followers or something significant like that, That could play out in whatever voting area you're in by 100 votes?

00:05:46.000 1,000 votes?

00:05:47.000 Like, who knows?

00:05:48.000 Well, especially if people start sharing, because the content can go beyond that audience.

00:05:51.000 It's interesting to me, though, you look at a guy like Mike.

00:05:54.000 So, very similar pipeline to Evan.

00:05:57.000 Evan Haver, Black Rifle Coffee.

00:05:58.000 Evan Haver, Black Rifle Coffee.

00:06:00.000 Green Beret first, so they went the army path and they both went and contracted for what I'll call some alphabet soup organizations.

00:06:07.000 Millions of dollars put into their training.

00:06:10.000 Multiple deployments around combat theaters around the world and even to theaters before combat is there to prep the battle space or train a partner force doing their FID, the Foreign Internal Defense.

00:06:26.000 Then they get on social media and people want to not allow them to speak about the things that maybe they have learned and experienced during that time period.

00:06:36.000 Millions of dollars of training.

00:06:37.000 An incredible amount of experience.

00:06:40.000 But you want to silence that voice? 0.99

00:06:41.000 And I'm not saying all those voices, some of the people who pursue those occupations are out of their goddamn mind. 1.00

00:06:45.000 They're sociopathic for sure. 0.99

00:06:47.000 But I just, I find it interesting that they'll put so much emphasis in one direction and then try to shut them down.

00:06:55.000 We should explain to people that don't know you that you're a Navy SEAL. I am not a Navy SEAL. I was a Navy SEAL in a different lifetime.

00:07:01.000 Former Navy SEALs.

00:07:02.000 That's correct.

00:07:03.000 A different lifetime.

00:07:04.000 Isn't that interesting?

00:07:04.000 Because it is kind of a different lifetime.

00:07:06.000 If you think of things you've done in your past, those are different lifetimes.

00:07:11.000 Different relationships you've had, different jobs that you've had.

00:07:15.000 Those really kind of were different lives.

00:07:16.000 It was almost 10 years ago.

00:07:18.000 Yeah.

00:07:19.000 Yeah, I got out the last day of June 2013, so in about a year, it'll be a decade.

00:07:23.000 Are you even the same guy?

00:07:25.000 You think you're the same person from 10 years ago?

00:07:28.000 Emotional intelligence? 1.00

00:07:29.000 I'm still the same idiot. 1.00

00:07:31.000 Obviously, it's more lapse on the body, at least wear and tear for sure. 0.99

00:07:35.000 But, I mean, I look back into my 20s, I don't recognize the person I was.

00:07:38.000 No.

00:07:39.000 And I look back into my 30s.

00:07:42.000 And I think I was getting a better understanding of who I was, but now approaching my mid-40s, I think I'm finally coming into a place where I'm more comfortable with who I am and things make more sense.

00:07:54.000 Completely different person every decade, I would say.

00:07:57.000 Yeah, I would agree.

00:07:58.000 And for me, I'm in my 50s.

00:08:00.000 This is the most mature I've ever been as a person.

00:08:03.000 Obviously most mature in terms of like actual real age mature, but it's also...

00:08:08.000 The most I've gotten, my emotions and my brain and everything, my discipline, all of it dialed in under control.

00:08:17.000 What age would you give yourself maturity-wise?

00:08:20.000 54. I'm actually really a 54-year-old.

00:08:23.000 No, I mean like the inside Joe.

00:08:26.000 No, I'm like, yeah, I know I'm 20, 21. I'm like 12. Exactly.

00:08:32.000 There's the driver's license age, and then there's how I act.

00:08:35.000 In terms of how I treat people, I'm 54. But in terms of my childish...

00:08:40.000 I like to poke fun.

00:08:44.000 I like to have a good time. 1.00

00:08:45.000 I like to talk shit. 1.00

00:08:46.000 That's still very immature. 1.00

00:08:48.000 But awesome.

00:08:49.000 Yeah, I'm very immature in that way.

00:08:51.000 Yeah.

00:08:51.000 No doubt.

00:08:52.000 It's because you're a man.

00:08:53.000 Yeah, that's a part of it, too.

00:08:54.000 Yeah.

00:08:55.000 I'll probably peak at 18, maturity-wise.

00:08:57.000 Yeah.

00:08:58.000 Well, I don't think I'll hit my 80s, but my 70s.

00:09:00.000 You'll be 18 in terms of maturity.

00:09:03.000 If I'm lucky.

00:09:04.000 What's scary when I look back is in my 20s, I also feel like I am making up for a little bit of lost time because I was so...

00:09:11.000 Focused on my old job for a very long period of time to the exclusion of everything else and A lot of things suffered and it's taken me a long time to come back around and realize I forget who who had said it But it was we were not having a conversation.

00:09:27.000 They basically said hey here's the bottom line the job suffers last always you'll sacrifice personal relationships you'll sacrifice Marriages and loved ones you'll miss birthdays you'll miss holidays because the job suffers last and when you're living that life You don't realize it.

00:09:43.000 In my 20s and early 30s, it was just completely front sight focused and then now looking back, you miss out on some stuff for sure and there's some consequences that you're going to have to make amends for.

00:09:55.000 I think that's something that a lot of people find if they're obsessed with whatever their career is.

00:10:01.000 Whether they're a pro athlete or whether you're a Navy SEAL or...

00:10:05.000 I mean, I would imagine anybody that works in business at a very high level, you make sacrifices that...

00:10:13.000 If you have a family and you're working 16 hours a day as a CEO of a company, What kind of family do you really have?

00:10:20.000 Paper family. 0.95

00:10:21.000 What kind of connection are you able to really truly have with your children?

00:10:24.000 Are you really there when they get home from school?

00:10:27.000 How can you be?

00:10:28.000 Are you aware if your phone is constantly ringing and you are obligated to answer those calls?

00:10:34.000 You ever see that show Succession on HBO? Do you ever watch it?

00:10:38.000 It's a very good show.

00:10:39.000 I love it.

00:10:40.000 We just finished it today.

00:10:42.000 Third season.

00:10:43.000 But it's basically about this billionaire family and they're all dysfunctional. 0.97

00:10:48.000 It doesn't sound good on paper, but in real life it's fucking awesome. 0.84

00:10:52.000 It's like one of the best written, best acted shows I think I've ever seen. 0.89

00:10:57.000 But the life that these people live, it's like a Rupert Murdoch type character who runs this gigantic media conglomerate.

00:11:07.000 If you're that kind of a person, your life is that.

00:11:11.000 That's your life.

00:11:12.000 There's no other way to do that job.

00:11:14.000 And I think that's probably, in your old line of work, very similar.

00:11:20.000 And for anybody that wants to excel, if you want to be a high performer at any very difficult job, very competitive job, If you're going to really be at your best, you're going to give up a lot of stuff.

00:11:35.000 You're going to miss out a lot of stuff.

00:11:37.000 Yeah, I think the mistake is not realizing that you're missing out on it, which is the lie that I told myself, I think, looking back at my 20s and 30s.

00:11:44.000 All my kids are young.

00:11:45.000 It's going to be fine.

00:11:46.000 I have to go on this deployment.

00:11:49.000 Complete focus in that direction.

00:11:53.000 Yeah.

00:11:56.000 I think if you're going to be a high performer, like you said, there is probably a lot of sacrifice.

00:12:01.000 I wonder, though, if those people, the Robert Murdochs, on their deathbed, are they happy?

00:12:06.000 I mean, are they looking back with regret and wishing they had spent more time with their family?

00:12:10.000 It's a good question, because...

00:12:12.000 What is success?

00:12:14.000 It's a relative thing.

00:12:16.000 Because success without happiness is not really successful.

00:12:20.000 But a certain level of success plus happiness is probably more successful than more financial success and no happiness.

00:12:29.000 You're probably better off being in the middle than being at the top for a lot of things.

00:12:36.000 Most people don't want to be in the middle.

00:12:38.000 Well, certainly when it comes to competitive endeavors, they don't want to.

00:12:42.000 I was watching this documentary on...

00:12:44.000 There's a great documentary on Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray...

00:12:48.000 It's called The Kings.

00:12:49.000 I think it's called The Kings.

00:12:51.000 It's Showtime.

00:12:52.000 It's on...

00:12:54.000 Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Tommy Hearns.

00:12:57.000 And it's all about when they were all battling against each other, when it was, you know, a really golden era for both the welterweight and the middleweight divisions.

00:13:07.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

00:13:08.000 The Kings.

00:13:09.000 Great.

00:13:09.000 I can't recommend it enough.

00:13:10.000 When I was a kid, I was just a gigantic Marvin Hagler fan.

00:13:16.000 I love Duran, I love Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns too, but...

00:13:21.000 Hagler, when I was a kid, was the man, because he was from Massachusetts, as I was.

00:13:26.000 And I would remember reading about what he would do.

00:13:31.000 He would go into complete isolation.

00:13:33.000 Obviously, this is pre-cellphone days.

00:13:35.000 But he wouldn't see his children at all during training camp.

00:13:38.000 He wouldn't see his wife.

00:13:39.000 He wouldn't see any.

00:13:39.000 He had no idea what was going on.

00:13:41.000 So he would miss birthdays.

00:13:42.000 He'd miss some of his children's births.

00:13:44.000 He wouldn't be there for when his kids were born.

00:13:47.000 He just was...

00:13:50.000 Focused completely on being the champ.

00:13:52.000 And he goes down in history as one of the greatest of all time because of that.

00:13:56.000 But it's like...

00:13:59.000 Is that what you want?

00:14:00.000 If you want to be Marvin Hagler, you want to be that guy who was just...

00:14:06.000 When you would see guys, when they'd step into that ring and they would look across the street, look across the ring at pure determination, pure will, pure discipline, and championship discipline.

00:14:18.000 It's like that...

00:14:20.000 That's why he was who he was.

00:14:23.000 There's only one Marvin Hagler.

00:14:24.000 There's only one guy like that.

00:14:26.000 Yeah, I would never discourage anybody from doing that.

00:14:28.000 My advice would just be pay attention to what it is you might be missing and make an effort to maybe close that circle later on in life.

00:14:36.000 I'm in a different phase.

00:14:38.000 I'm living a different life at this point and I have the opportunity, at least in theory, to try to close some of those gaps that I might have missed.

00:14:46.000 Because my kids were younger.

00:14:47.000 So I think I was able to get away with a lot.

00:14:51.000 I mean, I remember the last appointment I did, I kissed my daughter goodbye in a crib.

00:14:54.000 That's how young she was.

00:14:55.000 She doesn't have any memory of that.

00:14:56.000 My boys do.

00:14:58.000 But there's still work that needs to be done to close that circle up.

00:15:03.000 Yeah, that's a different story, right?

00:15:06.000 The circle of having this insane dedication and ignoring children.

00:15:12.000 Because you don't get those times back.

00:15:15.000 You get times back with your friends.

00:15:17.000 If you don't see your friends for a couple years, I have friends where I can miss them I don't see it for two years.

00:15:24.000 We run into each other.

00:15:25.000 Within five minutes, we're back to where we were.

00:15:28.000 And we're just having fun and having a great time.

00:15:30.000 There's no issues.

00:15:31.000 But the developmental process of a child is so critical.

00:15:35.000 And being around kids when they're young, you never get that back.

00:15:39.000 Well, there's being there and then there's being there.

00:15:41.000 And this is also a mistake that I made, too.

00:15:43.000 I was fortunate I was at all the births of my kids.

00:15:45.000 I didn't miss our rotation cycle for whatever reason.

00:15:48.000 I was home for Thanksgiving and Christmas.

00:15:50.000 I don't think I missed one.

00:15:52.000 But there is a difference between being physically present and mentally present.

00:15:57.000 And that is one where I know, looking back...

00:16:00.000 I would not give myself the highest of marks.

00:16:03.000 Again, the job suffers last and that's not an excuse by any stretch and people should judge me harshly for that.

00:16:09.000 But at the same time, it's what allows you to go and focus on and do those things.

00:16:16.000 Because if I had not had that level of focus, I mean we're spinning off into hypothesis, but who knows what would have happened.

00:16:22.000 It could have either cost me my life or what would have actually been worse in my opinion is it costing somebody else their life.

00:16:29.000 And that's real.

00:16:30.000 If you're in that kind of a job, you cannot have distractions.

00:16:35.000 You can.

00:16:37.000 Doesn't work out well. 0.99

00:16:39.000 Or you get shit-canned. 0.98

00:16:41.000 I mean, the standards and the tolerances, they're tight. 0.98

00:16:45.000 And people will get benched sometimes and given time to work on whatever it is they need to work on.

00:16:53.000 And from my understanding, the modern-day teams are doing a much better job of integrating the overall family unit.

00:16:58.000 Which I actually think will make the guys even more lethal.

00:17:01.000 If you know your family's taken care of, if your family is healthy, if you have a good communication dynamic and things are well when you go overseas, it lets you put even more mental horsepower into what's going on over there.

00:17:12.000 That makes sense.

00:17:13.000 Yeah.

00:17:14.000 But it's interesting occupation.

00:17:17.000 Every time somebody says, hey, Andy, I want to be a SEAL. I'm like, awesome.

00:17:20.000 Let's talk about other jobs that you might be interested in.

00:17:24.000 Like any other job.

00:17:26.000 Is there, like in terms of like qualified candidates, are there less now than ever before or more?

00:17:37.000 I'm a little bit detached from the process, so it's like second or third hand, but I don't think there is a lack of people signing up to do the job.

00:17:46.000 But qualified candidates?

00:17:48.000 I mean...

00:17:51.000 Qualified physically?

00:17:53.000 It's more than physical, right?

00:17:55.000 But the initial pipeline is very physical.

00:18:00.000 People say the physical part is 10% and the mental aspect is 90% and you can put whatever ratio you want to.

00:18:06.000 It's challenging for both.

00:18:08.000 But the first thing the program does is it grinds people into dust.

00:18:11.000 That's what it's designed to do physically and that will expose a lot of mental weaknesses.

00:18:17.000 And all I can really say is that the big end of the...

00:18:21.000 The siphon is very full.

00:18:22.000 The bottom end, the smaller end of the siphon, is still spitting out the exact same number of people.

00:18:27.000 So I think it's working.

00:18:30.000 I would say there's not a...

00:18:33.000 I don't think there's a lack of qualified people.

00:18:36.000 My concern would be, and this is not based on anything that I have necessarily seen, but just kind of watching the world, that I think people may be perhaps pursuing that type of occupation for very different, perhaps more self-serving reasons now.

00:18:50.000 What kind of reasons?

00:18:52.000 You ever seen a movie or a book about the post 9-11 era, Joe?

00:18:56.000 Yeah, do you think that people really enlisting and trying to go through the process so that they could eventually write books?

00:19:04.000 I don't know if that would be in the forefront of their mind.

00:19:06.000 I think people might be enlisting and pursuing those jobs for the fanfare that could potentially come from them.

00:19:12.000 Oh, Christ.

00:19:13.000 Well, when you reward them on a national...

00:19:16.000 And here's the thing.

00:19:16.000 I found...

00:19:20.000 More information about the SEAL teams through a documentary called Navy SEALs starring Charlie Sheen than any other movie. 0.97

00:19:28.000 It's the fucking greatest SEAL movie ever created.

00:19:30.000 I thought I'll do Dick Marchenko's books back when I was a kid. 0.94

00:19:33.000 So that's actually what led me to the movie Navy SEALs.

00:19:37.000 And I would just recommend people go and look at the hair on those gentlemen. 0.98

00:19:40.000 Fucking top-notch, just constantly manicured. 0.97

00:19:44.000 I don't know about the telemarketer headsets that they're wearing that don't respond well to water or sweat. 0.99

00:19:50.000 I would probably pass on that.

00:19:51.000 Yes, look at him.

00:19:51.000 Look how good his hair looks.

00:19:53.000 My hair's never looked that good ever.

00:19:55.000 What's that scarf supposed to match?

00:19:56.000 Let's talk about this for a second. 0.98

00:19:57.000 Whatever it is, it's dope as fuck and I need one in my life. 0.99

00:20:00.000 No, you don't. 1.00

00:20:01.000 I swear to God if I saw you wearing one of those, I would at least attempt to choke you with it. 1.00

00:20:04.000 I'm gonna wear it at the range. 0.93

00:20:06.000 At the range to keep shells from going into my neck, bro.

00:20:09.000 No, we got Vietnam-era woodland camo with... 1.00

00:20:12.000 Oh, fuck! 1.00

00:20:13.000 Cigarette butt? 1.00

00:20:14.000 I mean... 0.99

00:20:14.000 Yeah, look at him. 0.99

00:20:16.000 He was a beautiful man.

00:20:18.000 So...

00:20:19.000 Right?

00:20:19.000 Can we agree to that?

00:20:20.000 Charlie Sheen?

00:20:21.000 Oh, for sure.

00:20:22.000 In that picture, he's a beautiful man.

00:20:24.000 Look, I mean, imagine you are pretending to be Navy SEAL. Yeah.

00:20:28.000 You have weightlifting gloves on, it looks like.

00:20:30.000 Yep.

00:20:30.000 Fingerless, of course.

00:20:31.000 Fingerless.

00:20:32.000 Like, the Dice Man!

00:20:33.000 Oh! 0.60

00:20:34.000 How long after this did Hot Shots come out?

00:20:36.000 Because they completely parody this movie.

00:20:38.000 Yeah.

00:20:38.000 It's a good point.

00:20:39.000 10 to 15 years probably.

00:20:40.000 No, it was like a year later.

00:20:41.000 That's a very good point.

00:20:42.000 Hot Shots was in the 90s, and he's making fun of himself.

00:20:45.000 That is a straight-up telemarketer headset.

00:20:47.000 No doubt about it whatsoever.

00:20:49.000 Yeah, that is not a headset you wear in the field, right?

00:20:52.000 I'm not joking, though.

00:20:53.000 So I was able to find the Dick Marcinko books.

00:20:56.000 I was able to find a book called, look at that, MP5SD. Fucking get some. 0.98

00:21:00.000 No magazine. 1.00

00:21:01.000 No magazine?

00:21:02.000 Why doesn't it have a magazine? 1.00

00:21:04.000 It's like, hey, asshole, what's in that pouch on your shoulder? 1.00

00:21:06.000 What the fuck do you carry on your shoulder? 1.00

00:21:07.000 Why doesn't it have a magazine? 1.00

00:21:10.000 How is he?

00:21:12.000 There he goes.

00:21:12.000 He's got a mag in that one.

00:21:13.000 Oh, finally.

00:21:14.000 He got a magazine.

00:21:16.000 Oh, my God.

00:21:16.000 That's hilarious.

00:21:18.000 That telemarketer headset's killing me.

00:21:20.000 Oh my god.

00:21:21.000 I did a breakdown of this with Callan, and I had him narrate the scenes, and he was like deep into it, talking about angles.

00:21:27.000 He was completely and utterly wrong with everything that he said.

00:21:30.000 Of course.

00:21:32.000 Brian's the best.

00:21:32.000 Oh yeah.

00:21:35.000 MP5SD, so that's a pistol round.

00:21:37.000 That's a 9mm.

00:21:38.000 Is it really?

00:21:38.000 Oh yeah, that's a 9mm cartridge.

00:21:41.000 But it's so big.

00:21:42.000 What's so big?

00:21:43.000 The gun?

00:21:44.000 It looks like it could carry more.

00:21:45.000 Like, you should probably beef it up a little.

00:21:46.000 I think it's a.30.

00:21:47.000 I mean, it's still gonna be shooting a pistol.

00:21:49.000 Oh my god, the jump scene.

00:21:52.000 Look at these guys.

00:21:54.000 So, in the history...

00:21:56.000 Of the SEAL teams. 0.98

00:21:57.000 There has never been a skydive into a fucking Dregger dive. 0.99

00:22:01.000 What's a Dregger dive? 0.99

00:22:02.000 So what they're wearing in front of them, that's a LAR5 Dregger. 1.00

00:22:04.000 That's a rebreather.

00:22:05.000 The green bottle underneath is pure oxygen.

00:22:08.000 Inside of the black, like, little clamshell thing is a container that has either probably softener lime or sodasorb, and it scrubs the carbon dioxide out of your breathing system so that the black cable going around their neck, or not cable, hose, it's an inhalation and an exhalation hose.

00:22:22.000 So you purge All of the carbon dioxide out of your system and you're breathing pure O2 and so there's no bubbles.

00:22:29.000 Right.

00:22:30.000 So what they're saying is we're gonna skydive in to a jump and then be super sneaky on the way in so we don't have any bubbles.

00:22:37.000 That's not possible? 0.97

00:22:38.000 It's very possible and it's happened precisely zero fucking times. 0.98

00:22:42.000 How come? 0.99

00:22:43.000 Because it's dangerous!

00:22:44.000 You're combining, like, multiple different things.

00:22:48.000 But he's Charlie Sheen.

00:22:50.000 He is Charlie Sheen.

00:22:51.000 Trust me.

00:22:52.000 Look at his hair.

00:22:52.000 That movie is fantastic.

00:22:54.000 It legitimately...

00:22:55.000 I've watched it...

00:22:57.000 Probably 200 times.

00:22:59.000 Most of that was before the age of 18 though.

00:23:00.000 And I had the Dick Marcinko books and that's what led me.

00:23:03.000 So I'm not hating on the people that do write the books because that was my initial intro and information to lead me towards that.

00:23:13.000 But the volume of them and how...

00:23:18.000 There's a culture around being a veteran.

00:23:20.000 And people will be very upset about that.

00:23:23.000 And maybe to some degree I fall into that because I was a veteran too.

00:23:26.000 But there are people who make their entire living upon what they did in the past.

00:23:30.000 The bro vet culture and all that. 0.99

00:23:33.000 And again, people can do whatever they want to with their experiences.

00:23:37.000 But when I was joining, there was none of that.

00:23:41.000 It was hard for me to find information.

00:23:43.000 And now the information is almost overwhelming.

00:23:46.000 And I don't want to rob that from people because, like I said, it's the same path that I took.

00:23:51.000 But there is also an unhealthy desire for people to be elevated in their status and use that occupation for that.

00:24:00.000 And again, I don't have any data to support it, but I would be worried that Perhaps people's reasons for joining is shifting.

00:24:08.000 That makes sense, right?

00:24:10.000 Like they see the glory, so they go towards the glory.

00:24:13.000 You know, that's one of the things that people from the early days of MMA, one of the things that they really liked is that there was no money.

00:24:22.000 Not that they liked that there was no money, but they liked that everybody who was competing was doing it for a pure reason.

00:24:28.000 They were doing it to test themselves.

00:24:30.000 I mean, they were doing it because they really wanted to see how their skills stacked up inside the octagon.

00:24:36.000 It's pretty tough to get punched in the face for free.

00:24:38.000 A lot of guys did it.

00:24:39.000 For the right reason, though.

00:24:41.000 It separates the wheat from the chaff pretty quickly. 0.97

00:24:43.000 Yeah, I mean, if you want to compete, like amateur fighters, you think about how many guys are fighting amateur, and they're out there getting kicked and punched and strangled, and they're not getting a goddamn penny. 0.97

00:24:56.000 Hard pass. 0.83

00:24:56.000 Yeah, that's the reason why they're doing it, though. 0.83

00:24:59.000 They're doing it for the right reasons.

00:25:00.000 They're doing it to excel.

00:25:02.000 I completely and utterly support that. 0.95

00:25:04.000 And I think that everybody should go through that phase in their life where you see where you want to go and you're getting just your dick stomped into the dirt and you're not being rewarded for it in any way and you have to struggle and fight and just grind your way to that end state.

00:25:20.000 Yeah, I'm a firm believer that those uncomfortable experiences of failure, they are so critical to your development as a human being.

00:25:31.000 And not just your development in whatever the endeavor of choice is, but your development as a human being.

00:25:37.000 That if you don't have those, the people that seek too much comfort, if you don't have those rough experiences, you don't develop properly.

00:25:44.000 Those people who seek too much comfort, they don't develop right.

00:25:48.000 They're like a salamander that never becomes its mature form.

00:25:51.000 There's something missing.

00:25:52.000 The uncomfortable experience of failing or of being smushed, of being overwhelmed by the competition, like being completely inadequate, completely unprepared, completely...

00:26:09.000 Insufficient to get the job done like that's important to know because otherwise You go through this life for like how many guys out there who have never had any physical altercation With people have this completely distorted perception of what they're capable of doing, but I call it the game time player Joe's they don't need to train It's my mentality,

00:26:28.000 bro.

00:26:28.000 They see red when the switch flits.

00:26:30.000 The body starts dropping.

00:26:31.000 Yeah.

00:26:31.000 Usually after about a 12-pack, they just see red, get after it.

00:26:34.000 There's a lot of people that really believe that.

00:26:38.000 And that is precisely because they haven't experienced it.

00:26:42.000 Resilience can be taught.

00:26:45.000 To go back to, again, my old job, people will equate or they talk about mental toughness with it a lot.

00:26:53.000 And everybody has some degree of mental toughness, right?

00:26:56.000 You're born with some, but I'm a firm believer that it can actually be taught as well.

00:27:00.000 And we've talked about this offline.

00:27:02.000 I think we were at the Deseret talking about the theory of keeping your world small, right?

00:27:06.000 Little small chunks and stuff like that.

00:27:07.000 The way you set your goals Drastically will impact, I think, the statistical odds of success, but also seeking difficult things and finding failure.

00:27:18.000 Resilience, the only way you're going to build resilience is if you push up against things that are hard.

00:27:22.000 The definition of resilience is an object being pushed from its normal state and returning to that state.

00:27:27.000 I think the goal should be returned to that state plus.01%.

00:27:30.000 But if you always avoid those things, how are you ever going to expect to be capable of handling the challenges of life?

00:27:37.000 And I think that's where the mental toughness aspect of not the SEAL community, but I would say the military to a degree, but specifically because I can speak to the special operations world.

00:27:47.000 The pipelines, they're just wrought with failure. 0.98

00:27:49.000 I mean, the curriculum is designed to find your weakest point and then exploit it and get in there with a rake and just fucking dig around in your head.

00:27:55.000 And it's failure after failure after failure after failure. 0.94

00:27:57.000 Not catastrophic, but small failure, small punishment.

00:28:00.000 And there are people who see that as a roadblock and they quit.

00:28:03.000 And there are people who see that as a motivation and they move forward.

00:28:06.000 And if you can grasp your head around those principles, I mean, it puts you in a place where you're able to accomplish things that will make people scratch their head.

00:28:15.000 Yeah.

00:28:16.000 But it can all be taught.

00:28:17.000 It can be.

00:28:18.000 But you have to seek that.

00:28:20.000 You have to seek that and you have to be accustomed to the experience of trying to do things and failing, trying to do things and getting maybe a little bit better.

00:28:30.000 Looking back six months, you're better than you were then.

00:28:33.000 Looking back a year later, you're better than you were then.

00:28:36.000 And being able to trust that process and just keep grinding.

00:28:39.000 People want instantaneous satisfaction.

00:28:42.000 They want instant advancement.

00:28:45.000 They want to know that if they take 10 classes, they get a stripe on their white belt.

00:28:50.000 And that's just not how the world works.

00:28:52.000 I think that's why I like jujitsu so much.

00:28:54.000 Not because of the 10 classes and you get a stripe on your white belt, but the growth is incremental at best.

00:29:01.000 At best.

00:29:02.000 At best.

00:29:03.000 The best way to ensure more than incremental growth, though, is to do the difficult stuff.

00:29:11.000 Drilling.

00:29:12.000 Roll with a dude who you know is just going to hand you your lunch. 0.99

00:29:15.000 I don't know if that's the best way.

00:29:16.000 No, I don't mean like rough hand you your lunch.

00:29:18.000 The dude... 0.99

00:29:20.000 Everybody, to include myself, like you go to the gym, you're like, God damn it. 0.98

00:29:25.000 Bob's here. 0.94

00:29:25.000 It never goes my way when I roll with Bob. 0.94

00:29:28.000 It's like, no, you need to go roll with the guy that you know is probably going to beat you, except the fact that you're going to get beat.

00:29:34.000 I don't mean getting mauled, even though I do believe there's a time and place for that, too.

00:29:37.000 But your body will tell you, and this happens, I think, professionally as well, too, because it happens to me.

00:29:45.000 I'll fire up the inbox. 0.99

00:29:46.000 I'm like, God damn it. 0.98

00:29:47.000 I don't want to answer that email because I don't want to talk about that topic. 0.98

00:29:50.000 So that's exactly what I actually should probably be attacking.

00:29:53.000 Jiu-jitsu, I think, is just more of a physical expression.

00:29:57.000 Yeah.

00:29:58.000 I think being with a guy like the Bobs of the world, it's a great litmus test, too. 1.00

00:30:05.000 You need those tests.

00:30:06.000 You need to know.

00:30:07.000 You need to have a real idea of where you're at.

00:30:12.000 I remember when I was a white belt, there was guys that I would roll with that would just smush me.

00:30:16.000 And then by that time, I got to be a brown belt.

00:30:19.000 I could either stalemate them or I could occasionally tap them.

00:30:23.000 And the same guys who used to smush me I could tap. 0.99

00:30:26.000 And that's a crazy feeling of knowing that it's this long journey of over a decade of getting strangled and your fucking ass handed to you that you do make progress. 0.99

00:30:39.000 Willingly go ask another man to choke you nearly unconscious. 1.00

00:30:42.000 It's not kinky. 0.92

00:30:43.000 That's what it is.

00:30:44.000 And it's not a decade for everybody.

00:30:45.000 I didn't train as much as some folks do.

00:30:48.000 Like, you know, some folks are training every single day.

00:30:51.000 Like Bourdain, when he was really into jiu-jitsu, he was telling me that he was taking a private every day for an hour, and then he was taking a class every day after the private.

00:31:00.000 Every day.

00:31:00.000 So about two hours of training a day?

00:31:02.000 Two hours plus every day.

00:31:03.000 How old was he when he found it?

00:31:04.000 58. 58, smoking cigarettes, overweight, had high blood pressure, was on statins.

00:31:11.000 He took statins because we had a conversation about that, too, because he did not want to stop eating the kind of food that he loved.

00:31:18.000 And he had high blood pressure and he had high cholesterol.

00:31:21.000 I can respect that decision.

00:31:23.000 Well, he was a food freak, man. 0.99

00:31:25.000 I mean, that was his fucking occupation was traveling around the world. 0.99

00:31:28.000 And he said, you know, I'm not going to stop eating this food. 0.99

00:31:31.000 I mean, this is literally what I enjoy most in life.

00:31:34.000 I travel to these places.

00:31:36.000 I have these amazing dishes.

00:31:37.000 Like, why would I stop doing that?

00:31:39.000 I'll just take whatever pill they have.

00:31:41.000 And I'm like, I get it there.

00:31:43.000 Like, most people, they would tell you, you know, I'd rather take a pill and I don't want to make any lifestyle changes.

00:31:48.000 I'd be like, oh, man.

00:31:49.000 Like, what are the downsides?

00:31:51.000 I don't know what the downsides of statins are.

00:31:53.000 I don't know.

00:31:53.000 As a matter of fact, didn't David Sinclair talk about the upsides of statins?

00:31:57.000 Wasn't that something that he had brought up?

00:32:00.000 I know I've read things, I'm not sure, but the point is, like, for most people, I'd say, man, you know, make some lifestyle changes.

00:32:06.000 But for him, I was like, okay, I get it.

00:32:09.000 But when he started training every day, and he was training two-plus hours a day, he got off everything.

00:32:16.000 He didn't need any medication.

00:32:17.000 That's a crazy volume at 58 years old. 0.89

00:32:19.000 He's an animal! 0.88

00:32:20.000 It was an animal.

00:32:21.000 Yeah.

00:32:21.000 Oh, that one hurts me.

00:32:23.000 That one hurts me.

00:32:24.000 How far did he...

00:32:26.000 He was a blue belt.

00:32:27.000 Okay.

00:32:28.000 He was good.

00:32:29.000 He was good, man. 0.83

00:32:30.000 The guy was an animal.

00:32:31.000 And he was very proud of the fact that he could really be a hard role.

00:32:37.000 He goes, like, you know, he goes, I was a good role.

00:32:41.000 How tall and heavy was he?

00:32:42.000 He's pretty tall.

00:32:46.000 I think he was like 6'2 or 6'3.

00:32:49.000 190-ish?

00:32:50.000 He looked a little better than most.

00:32:52.000 Towards the end, yeah.

00:32:53.000 Because he got very ripped.

00:32:57.000 There's a picture of him walking down the street somewhere with no shirt on with the ex, with his ex, I guess the girl he was dating when he died.

00:33:07.000 I think they were broken on when he died.

00:33:09.000 He was like full six-pack, which is crazy.

00:33:12.000 At that age?

00:33:13.000 Yeah, I aspire to be able to do that.

00:33:15.000 Yeah.

00:33:16.000 I'm sure he wasn't on the natch.

00:33:19.000 You know?

00:33:20.000 Are you trying to say it was more than chicken breast and broccoli, Joe?

00:33:22.000 Yes.

00:33:22.000 I think he had some help.

00:33:25.000 In fact, I encouraged him to.

00:33:27.000 Here he goes.

00:33:27.000 Like, look at that.

00:33:28.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:33:29.000 Yeah, bro. 1.00

00:33:30.000 Legit.

00:33:31.000 Yeah, well, Tony was an addict, right?

00:33:34.000 Yeah, I'd heard that about him.

00:33:35.000 He was addicted to not just things that were bad for you, but also things that were good for you.

00:33:44.000 You know, that's something BJ Penn told me, too.

00:33:47.000 BJ Penn told me he was having a conversation with this guy who was a huge fan of his, who was addicted to jiu-jitsu, and he was saying to BJ, like, I got my black belt in three years just like you.

00:33:58.000 And he goes, man, he goes, you're dedicated.

00:34:00.000 He goes, no, man, I'm addicted.

00:34:01.000 I'm addicted just like you.

00:34:03.000 And he goes, and then I realized, like, yeah, that's what's going on.

00:34:05.000 I was addicted.

00:34:06.000 I'm addicted.

00:34:08.000 I think there's an aspect of that, and I also think that there are people who use it as a coping mechanism.

00:34:13.000 They'll dive into that as opposed to having the hard conversations with themselves or putting the work in.

00:34:18.000 Because all they're doing actually goes back to what we were talking about before.

00:34:21.000 They're working so hard on one thing to the exclusion of others.

00:34:24.000 That's true.

00:34:26.000 I mean, I don't have nearly enough experience to comment on jiu-jitsu as a whole or anybody else's journey in it, but...

00:34:34.000 From the conversations I've had with coaches that I respect, they have all kind of either experienced that a little bit, that level of dedication or seen other people who every other aspect of their life is falling apart, but they'll spend three to four hours a day on the mats.

00:34:47.000 Yeah.

00:34:48.000 So, I mean, I can see it is addicting. 0.97

00:34:50.000 It's fucking awesome. 0.97

00:34:51.000 I wish I had found it 30 years ago. 0.98

00:34:53.000 Yeah.

00:34:53.000 Are you still injured?

00:34:55.000 You had like an elbow thing that was keeping you from doing good.

00:34:58.000 Are you good?

00:34:59.000 That's called just not tapping, Joe.

00:35:00.000 It's a theory that nobody should explore and recommend, but...

00:35:04.000 It's hard to not tap.

00:35:05.000 Or it's hard...

00:35:06.000 It was my own fault.

00:35:08.000 It came on faster than I thought it would.

00:35:11.000 So yeah.

00:35:12.000 What came on faster?

00:35:13.000 The submission?

00:35:14.000 The arm mark.

00:35:14.000 Yeah, it was fine.

00:35:16.000 I also could have started to tap before my arm was straight.

00:35:19.000 There's a lot of things that I could have done. 0.98

00:35:21.000 So is it still fucked up or is it better? 0.98

00:35:23.000 We're good. 0.99

00:35:23.000 I'm good now. 0.99

00:35:24.000 It's good?

00:35:25.000 But it kept you from doing archery for a while, right?

00:35:27.000 It happened right before the archery season two years ago.

00:35:30.000 Oh, no.

00:35:31.000 Which the first thing I did was go try to pick up my bow because it was, of course, my holding arm.

00:35:37.000 And I go to pick it up and, yeah, that's not happening.

00:35:40.000 I could have drawn it, but I would have just drawn it directly into my face.

00:35:42.000 LAUGHTER Did you use peptides or anything to help heal it?

00:35:46.000 No, I told you. 1.00

00:35:47.000 I'm scared of fucking needles. 0.99

00:35:49.000 I'm not gonna shoot myself up. 1.00

00:35:50.000 Is that real?

00:35:51.000 That's real.

00:35:51.000 I don't like needles.

00:35:53.000 What's wrong with needles?

00:35:54.000 What is the needle thing?

00:35:55.000 I don't understand that one.

00:35:56.000 I don't know.

00:35:57.000 Why do some people like chocolate ice cream and not vanilla?

00:35:59.000 I can't explain it.

00:36:00.000 I think it's so funny.

00:36:02.000 Because this is one of the things that comes up a lot with COVID vaccines.

00:36:06.000 People go, are you scared of needles?

00:36:07.000 I'm like...

00:36:09.000 No, I'm not scared of needles. 0.98

00:36:10.000 How the fuck would I be scared of needles? 0.98

00:36:12.000 Some people are scared of needles. 0.99

00:36:14.000 Well, let me rephrase it.

00:36:14.000 I don't have any problem with shots, and we did a bunch of IV training, which paid off awesome when we were hungover.

00:36:20.000 I don't have a problem getting shots.

00:36:22.000 What you were describing would be me having to shoot, inject myself. 0.96

00:36:26.000 That bothers you. 0.98

00:36:27.000 I would pass out.

00:36:29.000 Really?

00:36:29.000 Oh, 100%.

00:36:30.000 Just straight auger.

00:36:32.000 Or I'd have to sit there and count down from 10. I'd be like, 10, 9, okay, I'll start over.

00:36:38.000 10. That's wild.

00:36:39.000 I just can't do it.

00:36:40.000 I look at my body like it's made out of Play-Doh.

00:36:42.000 I just stick the needles in.

00:36:44.000 Really?

00:36:44.000 Yeah, it doesn't even...

00:36:45.000 That does not work for me.

00:36:46.000 When I had a tennis elbow and I would put the BPC-157 into there, I would just stick it right in there and just squirt it in there.

00:36:54.000 You're a unique man, Joe.

00:36:56.000 I don't think that's that unique.

00:36:57.000 I think the needle thing is...

00:36:59.000 I don't know what it is, but for some people that are really tough people, that's an issue.

00:37:05.000 The needle thing's an issue.

00:37:06.000 It's an issue if I have to do it myself.

00:37:08.000 I don't have a problem with shots or blood draws or stuff like that.

00:37:12.000 I used to date a girl, and her whole family had a thing where they would see things and they would faint.

00:37:19.000 Like the dad was a dentist.

00:37:21.000 Like goats?

00:37:21.000 Like the fainting goats?

00:37:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:37:23.000 Like, the dad was a dentist, and one day his son got sunburnt, and he had blisters, and the dad saw the blisters and just fucking dropped dead. 0.92

00:37:32.000 Just fainted. 0.95

00:37:33.000 Not dead, you know, fainted.

00:37:34.000 Yeah.

00:37:34.000 And I was like, what?

00:37:36.000 Your dad just faints? 1.00

00:37:37.000 I go, your dad's a fucking dentist. 1.00

00:37:38.000 How does he just faint? 0.99

00:37:40.000 And so, one time, her and I went to the movies, and in the movie, someone was shooting heroin, and the person sticks the needle into their arm and plunges the hair, and she just blacks out at the movie theater. 0.99

00:37:51.000 I'm like, what the fuck is going on? 0.81

00:37:53.000 So it's like some really strange, it seems like it's a genetic thing. 1.00

00:37:58.000 Like her and her dad would just fall asleep.

00:38:01.000 Rando. 1.00

00:38:02.000 I hope they didn't see any of that shit when they were driving. 1.00

00:38:04.000 I know, right? 1.00

00:38:05.000 I mean, that's a rough life if you just randomly see things and pass out.

00:38:09.000 Yeah.

00:38:09.000 I would get that checked out.

00:38:11.000 Some people pass out though, right? 0.98

00:38:12.000 When they see things that are fucked up, they pass out. 0.98

00:38:15.000 What is that? 0.99

00:38:17.000 Shock, I think.

00:38:18.000 Yeah, but what kind of evolutionary benefit would there ever be in blacking out when you see something that's stunning?

00:38:26.000 I don't know.

00:38:27.000 Don't you ever watch videos of fainting goats?

00:38:28.000 I don't think there's any evolutionary benefit, but it happens.

00:38:31.000 They're the best. 1.00

00:38:33.000 They're not as good as people on mountain bikes eating shit. 0.99

00:38:36.000 My dog caught a possum a few months ago. 1.00

00:38:39.000 It played dead?

00:38:40.000 Yeah, it plays dead.

00:38:42.000 I thought they played dead, but apparently they go into shock and they just lay there and they think that it might increase their benefit, like increase their chances rather, of survival because some animals when they attack them will stop attacking them if they don't move.

00:38:59.000 So when the animal attacks them, like a wolf or something will shake them, and if they just lay perfectly still, they'll think they're dead already, and they might have a chance of survival that's better than fighting back.

00:39:13.000 I think I would fight back with the wolf.

00:39:15.000 That thing's going to eat your face. 1.00

00:39:16.000 Well, yeah, fight back with the wolf.

00:39:18.000 What's the point? 1.00

00:39:19.000 The wolf's going to fuck you up no matter what. 1.00

00:39:20.000 Climb a tree. 0.99

00:39:21.000 Reflex vasovagal faints, or reflex faints, apparently are unique to humans.

00:39:30.000 Oh.

00:39:31.000 So other animals obviously faint, but... 1.00

00:39:33.000 We're such a bitch-ass species. 1.00

00:39:36.000 We're basically water balloons. 1.00

00:39:39.000 Vasovagal faints.

00:39:40.000 Are essentially a protective mechanism.

00:39:43.000 Reflex faints are activated by the nervous system, which slows down the heart rate and lowers blood pressure in response to strain, leading to reduced blood flow to the brain.

00:39:52.000 I bet people who faint like that can get choked out easy.

00:39:56.000 Triggers for this can be surprisingly benign. 0.88

00:39:58.000 For some people, laughing, coughing, swallowing, urinating, urinating.

00:40:03.000 Imagine you take a leak and you just black out.

00:40:05.000 Oh, don't keep going.

00:40:06.000 Or blowing on a trumpet.

00:40:08.000 Well, blowing a trumpet, like if you go to Dizzy Gillespie.

00:40:11.000 When I was a kid, I went to see Dizzy Gillespie live.

00:40:14.000 I saw him live. 1.00

00:40:15.000 It's the craziest shit ever. 1.00

00:40:16.000 Do you know who Dizzy Gillespie is? 1.00

00:40:17.000 Not a clue.

00:40:18.000 Dizzy Gillespie was a jazz trumpeter, like a legendary jazz trumpeter whose cheeks would blow up.

00:40:25.000 He actually did it in a way that it's like not how they teach you.

00:40:29.000 They don't teach you to fill your face up with air, but he did it and it became a part of his signature.

00:40:36.000 So we went to see him when I lived in San Francisco.

00:40:40.000 We went to see him play and his cheeks would blow up like, I mean it looks like he's got a softball on each side of his mouth.

00:40:47.000 Was he able to play the trumpet differently than anybody else because of that?

00:40:51.000 I don't know enough about trumpet to answer that question.

00:40:53.000 He was awesome.

00:40:56.000 He was awesome, but that's not the way they teach you to do it.

00:41:00.000 They teach you to keep your mouth shut.

00:41:04.000 Because I remember I took a music class on trumpet playing, and when I was in the class, I was remembering how Dizzy Gillespie did it.

00:41:14.000 And I was like, that's crazy.

00:41:15.000 This guy's a legend, and he did it the total opposite.

00:41:18.000 Because you're not supposed to fill your...

00:41:20.000 Face up with air.

00:41:21.000 You're supposed to find out what's the correct technique for blowing a trumpet because I think you're supposed to keep your mouth closed and keep everything tight.

00:41:33.000 You're definitely not supposed to fill your face up with air, but Dizzy might have been self-taught.

00:41:40.000 How to form a trumpet?

00:41:42.000 Wow, how do you say that word?

00:41:45.000 Ooh, embouchure, embouchure, embouchure.

00:41:48.000 How to play the trumpet.

00:41:50.000 Click that.

00:41:52.000 Okay, click that.

00:41:53.000 Let's see.

00:41:53.000 I wonder if there is an agreed-upon best technique.

00:41:56.000 This is a gentleman called the Black Trumpeter.

00:41:59.000 Practice forming your embouchure in front of a mirror or using the front-facing camera on your phone.

00:42:03.000 So you can practice forming your embouchure in one motion, like this.

00:42:11.000 Like you're about to spit.

00:42:11.000 He's doing like a Bill Cosby.

00:42:14.000 Jell-O pudding!

00:42:15.000 Right?

00:42:16.000 Doesn't that look like that face?

00:42:22.000 So that thing, that's the way you're supposed to play.

00:42:28.000 The flat face?

00:42:29.000 Right.

00:42:29.000 So then you look dizzy.

00:42:31.000 Give me some Dizzy Gillespie so you can hear it.

00:42:34.000 Holy sh...

00:42:35.000 Look at his neck!

00:42:37.000 Yeah.

00:42:39.000 Yeah, all the way to the back of his neck would fill up with air.

00:42:48.000 So when you see him, that's not how you're supposed to do it.

00:42:51.000 But yet, he's a legend.

00:42:57.000 A legend doing it his own way.

00:43:00.000 There's always going to be an outlier like that, right? 0.99

00:43:02.000 There's some weird shit in the archery world, too. 0.99

00:43:03.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:43:05.000 There's a 90% everybody should do it like this, and then there's some weirdo doing it some other way at an incredibly high level.

00:43:11.000 Well, you know, John Dudley is a big proponent of the surprise shot, right?

00:43:17.000 They're all using hinge releases or all kinds of releases.

00:43:20.000 You pull through the shot.

00:43:22.000 And you get a surprise shot.

00:43:23.000 But Cam Haynes just hits the trigger.

00:43:26.000 He just lines it up and he just hits the trigger and he's the best bowhunter alive.

00:43:32.000 I mean, I think if you spend enough time dedicating yourself to it, you can get to that level. 1.00

00:43:37.000 I think anybody who says this works for everybody is immediately full of shit. 0.99

00:43:41.000 Yeah, I think so, too. 0.99

00:43:42.000 I think that's with everything.

00:43:43.000 I mean, with martial arts, you see that?

00:43:45.000 There's people that have, like, really weird technique, and they pull it off.

00:43:49.000 But for some things, it's like when you're learning.

00:43:55.000 What button are you hitting?

00:43:56.000 Oh, there's a cough button.

00:43:57.000 I got a cough button.

00:43:57.000 I don't even have to cough, but I want to hit that button.

00:43:59.000 There's a little red button.

00:44:00.000 Hit the button and start talking.

00:44:02.000 Talk, and then hit the button.

00:44:05.000 This is like a professional studio.

00:44:09.000 It's close.

00:44:10.000 I'll just take notes, get other stuff.

00:44:12.000 But you should learn the right way.

00:44:14.000 There's a reason why when you throw a right hand, you should turn your whole body into it, and it should be lined up with your shoulders and pushing off the floor. 0.99

00:44:25.000 You could fuck people up without doing that, though. 0.99

00:44:28.000 There's guys that hit so hard, they can hit you with poor technique. 1.00

00:44:32.000 All you need to do is go on YouTube and put in there cold cock and you're going to see the shittiest technique ever and people getting flatlined. 0.99

00:44:38.000 Yeah, sure. 0.99

00:44:39.000 Easy putting in cold cock. 0.99

00:44:42.000 I mean, I don't know about your search history. 1.00

00:44:46.000 Cold cock punch. 0.96

00:44:49.000 The thing is, it doesn't take that much to knock someone out.

00:44:51.000 That's what people don't realize.

00:44:53.000 You know, especially if you don't see it coming.

00:44:55.000 How much did you pay attention to your bell getting rung when you were younger?

00:44:59.000 Very little.

00:45:00.000 Yeah, I didn't either, and I actually have some pretty severe concerns about how the later years of my life might potentially be, given my concussion history.

00:45:08.000 I had an offer recently to get a brain scan, and I panicked.

00:45:12.000 Because you don't want to know?

00:45:13.000 I don't want to know what's in there.

00:45:15.000 You know, it's like...

00:45:17.000 I had a concussion, not last year, but the year before.

00:45:22.000 Went skiing before the pandemic ended.

00:45:24.000 Or before the pandemic started, went skiing, and this lady was kind of losing control and sliding into this trail. 1.00

00:45:32.000 And I was going around the corner, and I saw her, and there's no way to get around her.

00:45:36.000 And I was like...

00:45:37.000 Got a figure and I had to wipe out I had to just kind of like go around her this way and the skis went up and hit the back of my head off the ground and I was fucked up I mean it was a hard hit that was I didn't go unconscious but I definitely got a concussion because I was dizzy for the rest of the day and and I had a hard time with my coordination like I I fell down trying to get on the ski lift and then I couldn't figure out how to get up properly like Like,

00:46:06.000 my body wasn't listening right. 0.99

00:46:08.000 And my daughter was like, the fuck is wrong with you? 1.00

00:46:11.000 Get up, Dad. 1.00

00:46:12.000 You're embarrassing me.

00:46:13.000 It was embarrassing.

00:46:14.000 A lady had to grab my arm and help me stand up, which is, you know, I'm a pretty strong person. 0.85

00:46:20.000 I can get up pretty easy with skis on, but my body was not listening right.

00:46:24.000 And then the rest of the day, I was foggy.

00:46:26.000 And I was like, Jesus, I didn't need that.

00:46:28.000 And I was thinking about all the times that I've had my bell rang.

00:46:31.000 Did you ever at all just consider nuking that lady and going through her? 0.97

00:46:35.000 No. 1.00

00:46:36.000 No, I would have killed her. 1.00

00:46:38.000 Maybe. 0.99

00:46:38.000 I was coming around that corner. 0.99

00:46:40.000 No.

00:46:41.000 She was gonna... 0.99

00:46:43.000 It would have been terrible.

00:46:45.000 Just curious.

00:46:46.000 I'm not saying.

00:46:46.000 No, no, no.

00:46:47.000 It would have been terrible.

00:46:48.000 It would have been terrible.

00:46:49.000 It would have been terrible.

00:46:50.000 Last time I rung my bell, it was actually at Jiu Jitsu.

00:46:53.000 Again, completely my fault.

00:46:54.000 And I'm glad at this point I can...

00:46:57.000 I'm recognizing my mistakes and avoiding them, but the guy was turtled up and I was on his back, too far towards his shoulders.

00:47:04.000 He shook you.

00:47:05.000 No, I got both of my hands involved.

00:47:08.000 It was either one was over and one was under, maybe going for a harness of some kind.

00:47:12.000 And completely my fault to do so, but he rolled, and the first thing that hit was my head. 0.99

00:47:17.000 And fuck, I had a headache for days. 0.99

00:47:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:22.000 And same thing, like foggy thoughts, very distressed sleep.

00:47:26.000 I actually found myself waking up sweating in the middle of the night.

00:47:31.000 The number of head injuries would be very interesting.

00:47:35.000 I would actually probably pass as well on the brain scan.

00:47:38.000 I don't think I actually want to know what's up there.

00:47:39.000 I don't want to know.

00:47:41.000 Look, whatever I have right now, I'm maintaining.

00:47:45.000 I don't want to know that it's, you know, I mean, maybe I should get it checked out?

00:47:50.000 I don't know.

00:47:51.000 You know, the thing about those kind of forward pitch things that freak me out is the neck injury.

00:47:57.000 That freaks me out more than even the head, I think.

00:47:59.000 Oh, the head coming back, you mean?

00:48:01.000 Yeah, anytime there's a movement where weight from two guys is on the head, one of the guys from, I think it was Team Alpha Male, I've heard this happen more than once, where someone shoots for a takedown and the other guy gets a guillotine and falls back and And so as the guy drives forward with the takedown,

00:48:19.000 his head hits first with both of their weight, and they paralyze.

00:48:23.000 He broke his neck, and he's paralyzed from the neck down.

00:48:26.000 I've heard that happen on more than one occasion from that exact specific move.

00:48:30.000 A guy shoots in for a double.

00:48:32.000 The other guy, like, just goes with it.

00:48:36.000 With the guillotine and, you know, gets the head to the side and all the weight of the head, all the weight of the two bodies hits the top of the head and it snaps the neck. 0.98

00:48:45.000 That sucks. 1.00

00:48:46.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:48:47.000 That's the scariest shit ever. 1.00

00:48:49.000 That sucks for both people. 1.00

00:48:50.000 Because you know the person who had the guillotine obviously had no intent to try to do that and you have to live with that weight? 0.95

00:48:55.000 That would suck.

00:48:57.000 Well, you know, anytime you hurt somebody in training, like, anytime, like, something happens and someone gets hurt, you're always thinking about that next time you're training. 0.99

00:49:05.000 Like, whenever you're in a weird position, like a tangle of legs, and, you know, like, someone's knee explodes, like, every time you're in that situation afterwards, you're like, oh, shit. 0.92

00:49:14.000 Like, you're gonna hesitate. 0.94

00:49:16.000 You're gonna think.

00:49:17.000 Yeah.

00:49:17.000 I've heard that happen only one time on the mat.

00:49:19.000 I heard a guy, I believe it was his MCL go.

00:49:22.000 Mm-hmm.

00:49:23.000 And everybody freezes.

00:49:25.000 And then he starts moving his leg a little bit and then brace for the next six to eight weeks.

00:49:30.000 Yeah.

00:49:30.000 It made me sick to my stomach just hearing it.

00:49:32.000 I wasn't even directly involved in what was going on.

00:49:34.000 I had my ACL pop like a carrot.

00:49:37.000 It was like...

00:49:37.000 It snapped like...

00:49:39.000 It sounded like a stick.

00:49:40.000 Like a stick cracking.

00:49:42.000 It was so loud.

00:49:43.000 Is that a cadaver fix?

00:49:44.000 Yeah, that one was.

00:49:46.000 I've had both of them go.

00:49:47.000 The left one, they did it with a patella tendon graft.

00:49:50.000 The right one they did with a cadaver.

00:49:51.000 The right one was way quicker.

00:49:53.000 It healed quick.

00:49:54.000 And with no, like, real residual pain.

00:49:57.000 The right one was, like, six months later, I was doing jujitsu.

00:50:01.000 But the left one with the patella tendon graft, that was, like, a whole year before it felt good.

00:50:07.000 At least a year.

00:50:08.000 Can you trust it as much as you would have before?

00:50:10.000 Yeah.

00:50:10.000 It's stronger than it was before.

00:50:13.000 It's 150% stronger than a regular ACL. Because they don't use an ACL. The cadaver with a stronger tendon?

00:50:21.000 They use Achilles from a dead dude.

00:50:24.000 And I said, just get the biggest football player.

00:50:27.000 Or a woman. 0.78

00:50:27.000 I mean, we shouldn't assume. 0.78

00:50:29.000 They use a man. 0.99

00:50:31.000 It's 2022. You shouldn't assume it was a dude.

00:50:33.000 I wanted a dude.

00:50:35.000 A big dude.

00:50:36.000 I'll take a linebacker off the Chiefs. 0.71

00:50:38.000 Yeah, that's what I want. 0.99

00:50:38.000 I want some just giant Viking motherfuckers. 0.99

00:50:41.000 Achilles tendon. 1.00

00:50:42.000 Give me his shit. 1.00

00:50:44.000 Screw that in place. 1.00

00:50:45.000 Yeah, I've been lucky so far with injuries.

00:50:48.000 I haven't had any knee stuff.

00:50:49.000 I roll more defensively after that day.

00:50:52.000 You have to.

00:50:53.000 I have to because I don't want to spend time off the mat.

00:50:55.000 Man, it's so much fun, man.

00:50:56.000 I love it.

00:50:56.000 It is so fun.

00:50:57.000 What belt do you know?

00:50:58.000 Purple. 1.00

00:50:59.000 Oh shit, moving on up, moving on up. 0.99

00:51:02.000 Moving on up. 1.00

00:51:03.000 How many years now?

00:51:04.000 Uh, three...

00:51:08.000 Three and a half.

00:51:09.000 And how many days a week?

00:51:10.000 Eight.

00:51:11.000 Really?

00:51:12.000 No, I go like five days a week.

00:51:14.000 Well, eight is, to me, it's like twice a day, once.

00:51:17.000 I do, I will usually do two hours a day, five days a week.

00:51:20.000 That's a lot.

00:51:21.000 Five days a week's a lot.

00:51:22.000 My schedule allows for it.

00:51:23.000 Yeah.

00:51:24.000 And so that's usually a class for an hour and then an open mat for an hour.

00:51:27.000 Wow.

00:51:28.000 I love it.

00:51:29.000 That's awesome.

00:51:30.000 That's awesome.

00:51:30.000 I think I like the mental aspect of it more.

00:51:32.000 The problem solving.

00:51:34.000 I like the fact that it's hard.

00:51:37.000 I don't know.

00:51:37.000 I don't think I enjoy things as a person that are easy or easy to me.

00:51:42.000 I don't find a lot of fulfillment and enrichment from that.

00:51:44.000 No, no one does.

00:51:45.000 I mean, what is good that's easy? 0.99

00:51:47.000 Yeah, and plus if you're waking up in the middle of the night still trying to figure out how somebody did that to you, you're like, oh that motherfucker, I'm going to get him next time. 0.99

00:51:57.000 It's the best motivation for cardio. 0.98

00:51:59.000 I find myself, like to this day, I'll be on the fucking air assault bike and I'll be doing those Tabata reps and I'll think about someone who tapped me because I was tired like 10 years ago.

00:52:12.000 I think about this moment where I know I could have pulled out of a triangle, but I was just too fucking exhausted, and then I wound up getting tapped. 1.00

00:52:20.000 I'm like, SHIT! They're just fucking... 1.00

00:52:23.000 You ever do Tabatas? 1.00

00:52:26.000 Oh yeah, 20 on, 10 off for 8 rounds.

00:52:27.000 It's so effective.

00:52:29.000 Whoever figured that out, I guess his name was Tabata.

00:52:31.000 Dr. Izuti Tabata.

00:52:32.000 What a genius way to expand your cardiovascular capability.

00:52:36.000 Because it really is genius.

00:52:38.000 You can do it with anything, to include body weight.

00:52:40.000 So I used to work for CrossFit, and one of the first things that they would do is they would get everybody out air squats.

00:52:46.000 Tabata air squats.

00:52:47.000 And your score was based off the maximum number that you could hold.

00:52:51.000 Through the eight rounds.

00:52:52.000 So if you did 30 air squats in the first round, but four in the eighth, your score is four.

00:52:58.000 Oh, really?

00:52:59.000 And most people, I think around 20 would be pretty good.

00:53:04.000 If that was your first exposure to that, though, you are going to be...

00:53:08.000 You're going to be either looking for a wheelchair the next few days or walking like you have no fine motor control over your legs.

00:53:15.000 You can do it with the kettlebells, Tabatas with the dumbbell.

00:53:18.000 You can do it sprinting.

00:53:18.000 It's one of the most effective protocols that I've ever touched.

00:53:21.000 I wonder how we figured that out.

00:53:23.000 How we figured out that 20 sprint, 20 second sprint, 10 second rest.

00:53:27.000 20 second sprint, 10 second rest.

00:53:29.000 Have you ever played with like 3015 or 3010?

00:53:31.000 No, I've only done 2010. I haven't either.

00:53:33.000 And I don't know why, because maybe, I don't know.

00:53:35.000 I would imagine he messed around with it until he found the optimal.

00:53:38.000 I think he was working with racers, actually.

00:53:41.000 Endurance racers.

00:53:42.000 My memory might be off on this, but I think it had something to do with increasing cardiorespiratory capacity without doing long, slow distance.

00:53:52.000 Pretty sure.

00:53:53.000 I also could be completely wrong.

00:53:55.000 Well, it's a weird protocol, right?

00:53:58.000 Like the 20 seconds of going all out and then 10 seconds of rest and 20 seconds of all out.

00:54:02.000 But I found when I was doing that for a while, I had an injury and I couldn't hit the bag for quite a while.

00:54:09.000 But I was still okay to do that.

00:54:12.000 And then when I went back to hitting the bag, I lost very little in terms of cardiovascular capacity.

00:54:17.000 I was like, that's pretty impressive.

00:54:19.000 It's pretty commonly accepted, I think, now, like long, slow distance runners.

00:54:22.000 They can maintain what they have, if not add to it, by doing shorter interval work.

00:54:26.000 Really?

00:54:26.000 Yeah.

00:54:27.000 Interesting.

00:54:28.000 I mean, I know, well, I don't know, an incredibly high level ones, but I know people who can perform at that level and they're not going past like a 400 meter.

00:54:35.000 Maybe at most some repeats of 800, like one on, one off.

00:54:39.000 So when you would do Tabatas, like how many cycles of Tabata?

00:54:42.000 Like, I have an Echo bike from Rogue.

00:54:45.000 I have exactly the same bike. 1.00

00:54:46.000 That is the shit. 1.00

00:54:47.000 Yes. 1.00

00:54:47.000 That bike is the shit. 1.00

00:54:48.000 It is so good. 1.00

00:54:49.000 And it's so fucking sturdy. 0.98

00:54:51.000 I was just going to say, I think it could survive a nuclear blast. 0.99

00:54:53.000 It's so good.

00:54:54.000 It's good.

00:54:55.000 Rogue makes awesome stuff.

00:54:56.000 It's so well designed.

00:54:58.000 But when I would do, I would do a cycle of eight.

00:55:01.000 So I'd do eight sprints.

00:55:02.000 You would do it eight times?

00:55:03.000 No.

00:55:04.000 Well, I've done that too.

00:55:05.000 Yeah.

00:55:06.000 But, you know, that's like what's programmed into it.

00:55:08.000 That is the traditional Tabata interval is eight rounds of 20 on 10 off.

00:55:12.000 It should take four minutes.

00:55:13.000 Yeah.

00:55:14.000 So that doesn't seem like a lot of cardio.

00:55:17.000 Right.

00:55:18.000 I think it depends on how hard you go.

00:55:20.000 Right.

00:55:20.000 But four minutes is still just four minutes.

00:55:23.000 Yeah.

00:55:23.000 You think in terms of like long-term endurance base.

00:55:27.000 I think you would need to pile volume on top of that.

00:55:29.000 Right.

00:55:30.000 Well, I've done that.

00:55:31.000 I've done eight rounds of that, and it's brutal.

00:55:35.000 Eight rounds of eight reps.

00:55:37.000 Yeah, that's bordering on psychotic.

00:55:40.000 Just on that bike you did that?

00:55:41.000 Yeah.

00:55:42.000 I've only done it a few times, but then I'm wrecked for days afterwards.

00:55:46.000 For people out there listening who think that, like, oh, four minutes, is it really that hard?

00:55:52.000 I have a suggestion.

00:55:53.000 Go get an empty 45-pound barbell.

00:55:56.000 Do you know what a thruster is?

00:55:57.000 Yeah.

00:55:57.000 You start in front squat, you go all the way down, you drive it overhead for 20 seconds.

00:56:01.000 Yeah.

00:56:02.000 Do as many as you can.

00:56:03.000 Take 10 seconds off and repeat that 8 times and let me know how hard you think 4 minutes is. 0.98

00:56:07.000 There's a good chance you'll shit yourself if you've never done that before. 0.98

00:56:11.000 Yeah, there's a lot of things that are really easy the first time you do it. 0.98

00:56:14.000 Like the very first rep.

00:56:15.000 That's not easy though.

00:56:16.000 But I mean the first rep.

00:56:17.000 Oh yeah, like 10 reps in you're like, I am basically Marvel should be making a movie about me.

00:56:22.000 I'm Thor's bigger brother.

00:56:24.000 And then in the third round you're questioning your life choices.

00:56:27.000 There's a great kettlebell series by this guy Keith Weber, Kettlebell Cardio Extreme, and I would do this with either a 35-pound or a 45-pound kettlebell.

00:56:37.000 And you pick up a 35-pound kettlebell, you're like, this is nothing.

00:56:41.000 This is so light.

00:56:43.000 How is this going to be difficult for me? 0.73

00:56:45.000 Two minutes in, you're ready to die.

00:56:47.000 And this is like, he does, I think his program was like a half an hour.

00:56:51.000 It's like this crazy half hour workout that basically does your whole body with one kettlebell.

00:56:57.000 So with this one DVD, and Keith is a great guy, I've had him on the podcast before.

00:57:02.000 With this one kettlebell, this one video, you get this insane cardio workout with a single 35 pound kettlebell.

00:57:11.000 I owned a gym in Coronado when I was still in the military and I would introduce people to the movements with PVC pipe.

00:57:17.000 Really?

00:57:18.000 I mean, what a simple way because it's linear and you can get them to move and there's no consequences with the weight.

00:57:24.000 But you can demolish people with a PVC pipe upon first exposure.

00:57:30.000 I'm talking... 0.99

00:57:31.000 Shaking like a dog, shitting a razor blade with a six ounce piece of pipe. 0.99

00:57:36.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:57:36.000 So, I think it's all about the exposure. 0.98

00:57:38.000 It is.

00:57:39.000 Well, it's just using your body.

00:57:41.000 Just body weight stuff.

00:57:42.000 With no weight at all.

00:57:43.000 There's so many movements that you can do that will crush you.

00:57:46.000 Just do split squats with just body weights and try to stand up.

00:57:50.000 You know, like...

00:57:52.000 It's hard.

00:57:53.000 Bodyweight stuff, you can, like, when people say I can't afford a gym, like, guess what?

00:57:58.000 You're in luck.

00:57:59.000 Yeah.

00:58:00.000 Because you could basically bring your heart to the brink of exploding in a small room with nothing but your own weight and gravity.

00:58:09.000 The first workout, so for, I would say the first...

00:58:16.000 Nine years when I was in the military, it was back and bys, chest and tris, and then legs.

00:58:22.000 And by that I mean a shirtless run on the beach.

00:58:24.000 Repeated for like nine years.

00:58:26.000 The first time I did a CrossFit-style workout, it was actually, I was introduced to it through Mark Twight, who's an amazing alpinist.

00:58:34.000 Has done some just spectacular stuff, and he's a wealth of knowledge.

00:58:38.000 And I forget the exact structure, but it was squats, a kettlebell swing, and pull-ups.

00:58:44.000 And it started at a high number, and the workout is called Jonesworthy.

00:58:49.000 And at the end of it, I felt, I was like, okay, like my body feels a little bit different.

00:58:54.000 The next morning, I fell down my stairs because my legs refused to work.

00:59:00.000 That's how much it destroyed me.

00:59:01.000 I think the workout took like six to eight minutes.

00:59:03.000 And I had been around weights my entire adult life.

00:59:06.000 And I'm talking to the point where you need a rappel harness to get onto the toilet because as you're squatting down, your legs give out and you're going to blast the bowl up.

00:59:15.000 It's just like holding on to the door for dear life so you can actually not break the porcelain.

00:59:19.000 Is that the best way to get strong or should you build up so that that never happens?

00:59:28.000 You know the Pavel Totsilin method, the greasing the groove method?

00:59:33.000 In his world, you never get to that point where you're that broken down.

00:59:39.000 For clarity, I did it to myself.

00:59:40.000 It was a completely new stimulus and I said, how hard can this be?

00:59:44.000 Me and a buddy.

00:59:44.000 And we were literally crippled for days.

00:59:46.000 For clarity.

00:59:47.000 For clarity.

00:59:48.000 But if you're going to do it for optimum advancement.

00:59:50.000 I would expose people very gradually and I would do a mix of that type of conditioning and pure strength because I can't think of a single downside to being strong.

00:59:59.000 But you also need to have capacity as well.

01:00:01.000 No, there's no downside to being strong, but you know, how do you feel about that?

01:00:06.000 Like this school of thought, like the Pavel School of Thought is you never go to failure.

01:00:11.000 You just give yourself much more time in between the repetitions.

01:00:15.000 You do, like if you can do ten, you only do five, but then you do more sets.

01:00:20.000 I don't have the knowledge or experience to even be able to comment on it.

01:00:23.000 I mean, I messed around and when I owned the gym, it was a CrossFit gym and I was administering that type of coaching.

01:00:31.000 So I don't have the knowledge base to be able to say.

01:00:34.000 I know that when I changed my conditioning from...

01:00:38.000 I think the heaviest I was was probably 225, and that's before I put on any of my ballerina gear.

01:00:44.000 And then I got down to about 195 or maybe 200, but the lighter I got, the more capable I was.

01:00:51.000 By changing the way that I trained, I actually got stronger and more capable, but I don't know, I don't have any experience outside of like genres of exercise beyond that, so I don't know.

01:01:02.000 Yeah, there's so many different schools of thought in terms of like what's best for performance.

01:01:07.000 What would you say is best for jiu-jitsu?

01:01:09.000 What would you recommend for people with a strength training regimen?

01:01:11.000 I think most people feel that kettlebells are one of the best modalities for strength and conditioning for jiu-jitsu.

01:01:20.000 Kettlebells, chin-ups, and things along those lines because one of the things about kettlebells is that it forces your body to work as a unit, right?

01:01:30.000 Like when you're doing things that aren't sexy, like Turkish get-ups are a perfect example. 1.00

01:01:34.000 That is a phenomenal exercise for jiu-jitsu because it really does work your core, it really does work your shoulders, it really does work your legs, it works everything.

01:01:43.000 And it's not...

01:01:45.000 Bench and tries it's not you know doing chest and biceps show muscles if you know yeah, it's It's not sexy and it's not fun either like when you're doing it.

01:01:56.000 It's a it's a grueling Type of workout, but I think those and like gorilla cleans and Where you have like, you know, one in each side, clean press, squats and doing reverse, you know, lunges and then reverse,

01:02:12.000 backward lunges and things where you're forcing yourself to balance out that weight while you're moving.

01:02:19.000 I think those are probably some of the best exercises for Jiu Jitsu.

01:02:23.000 And then another thing that's really good for jiu-jitsu is yoga.

01:02:26.000 Yoga is phenomenal for jiu-jitsu.

01:02:28.000 It really is because it forces you to be able to hold positions and breathe and control your body and control your breath in those positions and also you maintain flexibility and strength and in especially like around the joints surrounding and like you with your knee joints when you're standing on one leg balancing like You find it helps with recovery?

01:02:49.000 Yeah, I think it helps recovery.

01:02:51.000 I think it helps keep your body limber too, which I think is very important in jiu-jitsu.

01:02:55.000 Because there's always these positions where having a little bit more flexibility is very beneficial.

01:03:01.000 Like some of the best jiu-jitsu guys are very flexible.

01:03:04.000 Like Hicks and Gracie, famously, was like very into yoga when he was young.

01:03:11.000 There's many things that separated him from other people, but I think one of them was his physicality.

01:03:17.000 Yeah, he was, I mean, I've never met the guy.

01:03:19.000 The movie Choke is unbelievable, where it goes through his hole.

01:03:22.000 Oh my God, it's the best.

01:03:23.000 Choke is the best.

01:03:24.000 He was one of a kind, for sure, though.

01:03:26.000 It seems like they broke the mold with that guy a little bit. 0.99

01:03:28.000 There was some natural talent built in there with also a benefit of having, you know, Gracie as your last name being born into that, but God damn. 0.98

01:03:36.000 No, he was something special. 0.74

01:03:37.000 Do you get to train much anymore?

01:03:39.000 Not right now, but I'm getting over some injuries.

01:03:43.000 I'm getting over some knee injuries.

01:03:44.000 I think I'll be able to train soon again.

01:03:47.000 Do you do mostly Gi or no Gi?

01:03:49.000 Mostly no Gi these days, but I'm not averse to doing the Gi. 0.96

01:03:55.000 I'd like to do both, coming back again.

01:03:59.000 Do you have a full spat collection?

01:04:02.000 Oh yeah, I got all that stuff.

01:04:04.000 I got rash guards.

01:04:05.000 Do they match?

01:04:06.000 I have some that mash.

01:04:07.000 I have some from you.

01:04:09.000 You sent me some mash cards.

01:04:10.000 I did.

01:04:11.000 I got some more being made right now.

01:04:12.000 Oh, yeah?

01:04:12.000 Origin, shout out to Pete and Jocko.

01:04:14.000 So, I went to their camp, their immersion camp.

01:04:17.000 Is that in Maine?

01:04:18.000 It is in Maine.

01:04:19.000 It's literally adult jujitsu camp.

01:04:23.000 And I say that because you're staying at a campground, in like a cabin, in a bunk bed, and you just go do jujitsu.

01:04:29.000 We did 21 sessions over, I think it was five days, with an open mat after.

01:04:35.000 I don't—there's only one no-gi class per week where I train, but we'll just pop the gi top off, the kimono top off, and you can do that.

01:04:45.000 So the point I'm getting to is I was unprepared.

01:04:48.000 For the level of enthusiasm that no-gi players have for their outfits. 1.00

01:04:55.000 Holy fucking shit. 1.00

01:04:57.000 So most of your training you do gi. 1.00

01:04:59.000 Yeah, but I'd pop the top off and roll no-gi. 1.00

01:05:02.000 But I have a rash guard top, like the ones that I sent you.

01:05:06.000 But you used gi bottoms.

01:05:08.000 Yeah.

01:05:09.000 Or occasionally I'll go to a no-gi class and throw on a pair of board shirts.

01:05:12.000 And nothing against it whatsoever.

01:05:13.000 The vast majority of the classes where I train that I can go to with my time schedule are gi. 0.99

01:05:18.000 So I roll to this no-gi class at the immersion camp, which anybody who's in the jiu-jitsu world should absolutely go.

01:05:23.000 I have it blocked off on my calendar until the end of time because it's amazing.

01:05:27.000 What time of year is it?

01:05:28.000 It's the last week in August, I believe.

01:05:32.000 I roll in there, and there are grown men in spats and rash guards that are like unicorns, like prancing off into the sunset.

01:05:41.000 There was a dude in a full Deadpool outfit from bottom to top.

01:05:47.000 Nice.

01:05:47.000 I was completely shocked at the amount- Bottom to top?

01:05:50.000 Like the face thing?

01:05:51.000 Head to toe. 0.99

01:05:52.000 Fucking straight. 0.99

01:05:53.000 No, he didn't have the thing that came over the head. 1.00

01:05:54.000 That would actually- That would be the shit. 1.00

01:05:56.000 It would have been the shit, but also a little bit scary. 0.99

01:05:59.000 These people must spend an inordinate amount of time, like, does this spats, do they go with this top? 1.00

01:06:05.000 It was un-fucking-believable. 0.75

01:06:07.000 And then there was also people there who, I don't know your rule on this, but I say there has to be a minimum of four layers. 1.00

01:06:13.000 There has to be spats or boxers and a pair of shorts between your dick and my dick. 1.00

01:06:20.000 What about a cup? 1.00

01:06:22.000 There should be a cup.

01:06:23.000 Do you roll with a cup on?

01:06:25.000 No.

01:06:26.000 Oh, you should roll with a cup on.

01:06:29.000 Okay.

01:06:30.000 I mean, I'll give it a try. 0.99

01:06:31.000 The reason being is I got kneed in the dick once. 0.99

01:06:34.000 And after I got out and I went into the locker room and my jockstrap was filled with blood. 0.99

01:06:42.000 And I was like, oh no. 0.99

01:06:43.000 And so I looked for a cut and then I realized the blood was coming out of the tip of my dick, which means there was damage inside my dick. 0.99

01:06:49.000 That's trauma for sure. 0.99

01:06:50.000 Yeah.

01:06:51.000 That was the last day I rolled without a cup.

01:06:54.000 But people need to grasp this four-layer principle.

01:06:57.000 Because there were people at the origin camp, you know, they make boxers. 0.99

01:07:01.000 That you're supposed to wear under your other shit. 0.99

01:07:04.000 And there were a handful of people out there in the no-gi session. 1.00

01:07:08.000 Just boxers.

01:07:09.000 Straight boxers. 0.99

01:07:10.000 With the cock flying free. 1.00

01:07:12.000 One layer. 1.00

01:07:13.000 One unacceptable fucking layer between their dick and every part of my body. 1.00

01:07:18.000 Just a thin piece of cloth. 1.00

01:07:22.000 I mean, I don't need to know that much about people.

01:07:25.000 Yeah, I don't need to know that either.

01:07:27.000 But I was shocked.

01:07:28.000 I couldn't believe the ensembles in the wardrobe of the Nogi players.

01:07:31.000 I actually was relatively impressed.

01:07:33.000 The amount of money that it would take and time to put those outfits together.

01:07:36.000 At Tenth Planet, we have a wide array of designs.

01:07:42.000 There's a lot of pretty dope Tenth Planet Jiu-Jitsu rash guard selections.

01:07:48.000 Yeah, there was dragons out there.

01:07:49.000 Like I said, there was unicorns, there was sunsets and sunrises. 1.00

01:07:52.000 Skulls and shit. 1.00

01:07:53.000 Skulls were everywhere. 1.00

01:07:54.000 It's like mandatory, actually.

01:07:56.000 Like blue belt and above, it had to be a skull.

01:07:58.000 But that camp was awesome.

01:08:00.000 I left that with my eyes pretty open as to what, there's just so many different levels.

01:08:06.000 So who was teaching these camps?

01:08:09.000 So, Pete, obviously, is one of the co-founders of Origin.

01:08:13.000 Dedeco was there.

01:08:16.000 Alexei was there.

01:08:17.000 Laborio was there.

01:08:18.000 Jocko was there.

01:08:19.000 Dean Lister.

01:08:19.000 Ricardo Laborio?

01:08:20.000 Yes.

01:08:21.000 Oh, nice.

01:08:21.000 He is one of the nicest men I've ever met in my entire life.

01:08:24.000 Oh, he's a great guy.

01:08:25.000 Phenomenal.

01:08:26.000 Jocko and Dean were there.

01:08:27.000 Echo was there.

01:08:31.000 Leah was teaching there.

01:08:32.000 They had another woman come in. 1.00

01:08:34.000 It was really diverse.

01:08:35.000 And then they would split.

01:08:36.000 They would go different experience levels and it would alternate from, I mean, top position, bottom position, sweeps, escapes, submissions.

01:08:43.000 It was really cool.

01:08:44.000 It was a lot.

01:08:45.000 I mean, it was a fire hose for sure.

01:08:47.000 And I'm glad I went into it with at least a little bit of experience so I could understand, A, what they're talking about and at least try it.

01:08:52.000 But I would recommend anybody who's into jiu-jitsu go for sure.

01:08:57.000 And it was a week long?

01:08:58.000 Well, you don't have to do a week.

01:08:59.000 I think they break it up into like a portion A and a portion B. We went for portion A and B, and I'm glad that we did.

01:09:05.000 Nice.

01:09:05.000 So you stay there, you eat there, the whole deal?

01:09:08.000 It's literally a summer camp.

01:09:09.000 I'm not joking.

01:09:10.000 It's adult summer camp.

01:09:12.000 So you have to sleep in bunks?

01:09:15.000 I think there may be other options.

01:09:17.000 I don't know enough about it.

01:09:18.000 Did you sleep in a bunk?

01:09:19.000 I slept in a bed.

01:09:21.000 It was like a queen-size bed.

01:09:24.000 And there's room for a bunch of dudes that are sleeping in beds? 1.00

01:09:27.000 Pete hooked us up because I had a good friend of mine and his girlfriend go out there, and I went out there with my girlfriend as well, so we had our own.

01:09:35.000 Cabins.

01:09:35.000 Is Pete from Maine?

01:09:36.000 Is that what the deal is?

01:09:37.000 Why Origen is located up there?

01:09:39.000 I think he is. 0.95

01:09:40.000 It's cold as fuck up there in the winter, bro. 0.98

01:09:42.000 I mean, he wears a Canadian tuxedo in the middle of winter up there. 0.99

01:09:45.000 I feel like he has to be from Maine with that outfit.

01:09:47.000 Denim head to toe.

01:09:49.000 Which I'm pretty sure doesn't conduct body heat well. 0.99

01:09:53.000 You see these fucking truckers that are still camped out in Ottawa, in Canada right now? 0.99

01:09:58.000 It's like 20 below zero. 0.99

01:10:00.000 And they have everything clogged up with their trucks up there.

01:10:04.000 And Trudeau is now hiding in America, apparently.

01:10:06.000 No way.

01:10:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:08.000 Apparently he escaped Canada.

01:10:11.000 Yeah.

01:10:11.000 I don't know.

01:10:12.000 Now, whether or not he made it to America, whether or not that's true, I think he's in an undisclosed location because they're worried about threats of violence from these truck drivers.

01:10:22.000 I don't feel like what they're threatening is violence.

01:10:24.000 I think they're trying to have...

01:10:25.000 Yeah, I haven't seen any threats of violence.

01:10:27.000 But maybe they're privy to things that we don't know.

01:10:30.000 I mean, I'm sure if you get a large enough group of people together, there's going to be some Wahoos in there, but... 1.00

01:10:36.000 To me, and I'm not following it incredibly closely, it seems like people expressing their opinion on the situation that they're living through.

01:10:41.000 Yeah.

01:10:42.000 And you know you had Jaco on recently and he was talking about leadership through imposing your will.

01:10:47.000 I could not agree with him more.

01:10:49.000 That is a long-term recipe for absolute disaster.

01:10:52.000 And you see it in the States where people are like, oh, okay, cool.

01:10:56.000 That's your mandate? 1.00

01:10:57.000 Get fucked. 1.00

01:10:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:10:58.000 It only works for so long. 1.00

01:11:00.000 Well, it's a strange time where people don't know exactly how to handle things and people have different strategies for handling things.

01:11:08.000 And a lot of times when they want to implement these strategies, you know, they're doing so against the will of the people and they think they're doing it for the people's own good. 0.62

01:11:18.000 And some people are not buying that shit, especially when it comes to Canada, which has been really rough in terms of like locking down businesses and Like, what's going on right now in Montreal? 0.95

01:11:28.000 They have a 10 p.m. 0.99

01:11:30.000 curfew, which is just wild.

01:11:33.000 Like, why do you have a curfew?

01:11:34.000 Like, what happens after 10?

01:11:36.000 Like, they're shutting down restaurants and bars in parts of Canada where they are already, like, barely staying open.

01:11:44.000 They're already barely alive.

01:11:46.000 And they're not giving these people the options.

01:11:50.000 It's been pretty clear up to this point that all these lockdowns don't work.

01:11:55.000 They don't stop the spread.

01:11:57.000 They don't.

01:11:58.000 It's just...

01:11:58.000 Or at best, the...

01:12:00.000 What would be the correct term?

01:12:01.000 At best, the impact is measured in very, very small numbers.

01:12:06.000 Yeah.

01:12:07.000 Like fractions of a percent.

01:12:08.000 I was reading something about that today.

01:12:11.000 Do you really think that the people are doing it or that the people who are making the decisions are doing it for the good of the people?

01:12:19.000 I think in certain cases they're doing it because it's the optics.

01:12:23.000 They're doing it because it makes it seem like they're doing something.

01:12:26.000 I think that that's the case.

01:12:27.000 And then, you know, if you want to hit this conspiratorial angle, then, you know, you can put on your tinfoil hat and we can keep going.

01:12:34.000 Because the people that are conspiratorial about this, and I don't subscribe to this, but I've listened to several compelling arguments in that way, that's where things get really—that'll keep you up at night.

01:12:46.000 For the mandates and the lockdowns?

01:12:48.000 Yeah, the mandates and the lockdowns and people worried about— What's the theory about it?

01:12:52.000 That eventually they're going to implement some sort of a social credit score system that goes along with vaccine passports and that these things are what they're angling towards and that by slowly, incrementally moving in this direction, they're going to apply these new methods to control the population.

01:13:16.000 You know, what's going on in China?

01:13:18.000 Have you ever paid attention to their social credit score system?

01:13:21.000 No. 0.99

01:13:22.000 It's pretty fucking wild. 0.97

01:13:25.000 They can stop you from buying a train ticket. 0.97

01:13:28.000 They can stop you from buying certain goods, like say maybe you want to buy a car.

01:13:32.000 If your social credit does not align with what's acceptable in order for you to purchase it, it doesn't matter if you have the money to do so.

01:13:42.000 See, this is where it could get wild.

01:13:45.000 I mean, this is not happening, nor is it suggested to happen in the United States.

01:13:50.000 I'm just saying this is what happens in China.

01:13:52.000 If you step out of line, if you protest some of the things the government's doing, if you speak openly and critically about certain aspects of society, they can...

01:14:08.000 Put a hit on your social credit.

01:14:11.000 Which limits what you can do?

01:14:12.000 It limits what you can do.

01:14:14.000 It limits where you can go.

01:14:15.000 It limits what you can buy.

01:14:16.000 Because essentially the idea is that they'll be able to influence what you say and what you do because you won't want to get a hit on your social credit because that'll keep you from being able to go on vacation.

01:14:32.000 It'll keep you from being able to buy a car.

01:14:34.000 It'll keep you from being able to buy things.

01:14:36.000 And one of the things that Yahoo had recently, there was an article on Yahoo, where they were talking about people allowing certain organizations, certain government organizations, access to your browser history.

01:14:50.000 And the incentive would be maybe you could qualify for more credit if they had access to your browser history.

01:14:57.000 First off, for people listening, the government has full access to your browser history.

01:15:02.000 This is a piece I saw on Shepard Smith's show the other day.

01:15:05.000 This was pretty recently.

01:15:06.000 People in China growing frustrated.

01:15:09.000 So I remember they talk about in here, which I guess we can play it if you want to.

01:15:13.000 There is a way that if someone goes to CVS, their version of a pharmacy, and buys something that says they have a cough or they have a temperature, it goes through the system into their phone.

01:15:25.000 A message pops up, which I think they sort of show here in a second.

01:15:28.000 That says you can't continue to go places until you now have passed a COVID test that says you're negative.

01:15:35.000 Oh wow, so they're tracking you through your activity.

01:15:38.000 Because you bought Tylenol or you bought...

01:15:40.000 Right, here's the stuff that pops up on their phone.

01:15:44.000 And this was newer information than that other piece that came out like a year ago?

01:15:50.000 It says, China scrambling to control COVID-19 outbreaks ahead of the Beijing Olympics, which kind of makes sense because they kind of have to do that.

01:15:57.000 Yeah, that's all starting this week.

01:16:00.000 I don't know exactly what's going on in these videos, but this was part of this piece that popped up along with all the stuff they were talking about that day.

01:16:06.000 Well, they have a lot of different methods to control their population.

01:16:11.000 That's just one of them.

01:16:13.000 How do you think the pandemic ends?

01:16:15.000 I think it should end with this Omicron, hopefully, if there's not, like, another strain that comes out afterwards.

01:16:23.000 My concern is that we never go back to normal, that we're in, like, sort of, like...

01:16:27.000 Do you remember the days before the Patriot Act?

01:16:31.000 Do you remember the days before TSA? Do you remember the days where, like, now we've just accepted those things.

01:16:36.000 Like, we've accepted TSA. You have to take your shoes off.

01:16:39.000 That's part of the problem. 0.98

01:16:41.000 Like, you know, everybody remembers the guy, what was his name, Richard, whatever the fuck his name was, trying to blow his shoes up. 1.00

01:16:46.000 Like, that one fuckhead ruined it for everybody. 1.00

01:16:50.000 Now everybody has to take their shoes off at the airport. 0.99

01:16:52.000 Like, it's just things, they change, and then they never go back.

01:16:56.000 So that's where I can buy into a little bit, not the conspiratorial narrative, but the incremental moving of behavior.

01:17:04.000 I've been shocked at how...

01:17:11.000 I think that people don't realize how powerful fear is.

01:17:19.000 If you can keep people scared, you can do damn near anything that you want to to them.

01:17:25.000 Yes, it's true.

01:17:26.000 The shoe bomber.

01:17:27.000 And not to say that the TSA or any of that is conspiratorial, but do you remember when they used to color code the days after 9-11?

01:17:34.000 Yeah, the warning.

01:17:35.000 Scaring the fuck out of people.

01:17:36.000 It's orange. 0.80

01:17:38.000 Threat orange.

01:17:39.000 And what could come with that is, hey, don't do this today because here's the threat level.

01:17:43.000 And people get scared and they get very...

01:17:46.000 I just don't know if they realize how susceptible they are.

01:17:49.000 And now I almost think it's at a point where some people in leadership positions...

01:17:53.000 It's a different kind of fear.

01:17:54.000 They're now afraid of not being accepted by the party that they identify with.

01:17:58.000 And I see it on both sides.

01:17:59.000 And the people who are suffering is everybody who's kind of in the middle, which I suspect actually in this country is like 80%.

01:18:05.000 I have no data to support this whatsoever.

01:18:07.000 But I think more people are towards the center than towards the extreme left or right.

01:18:10.000 I would agree with that.

01:18:11.000 Yeah.

01:18:12.000 But now they're unwilling to change course because the fear of the pandemic may be one thing, but the fear of not being accepted by that party that they identify with.

01:18:21.000 So they'll do anything.

01:18:23.000 And I have nothing against masks, but hey, wear a mask at all times.

01:18:26.000 Wear it in school.

01:18:27.000 Wear it regardless of your age.

01:18:28.000 And they're just like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:18:29.000 They'll do that.

01:18:31.000 It's kind of shocking to me how reactive people are.

01:18:34.000 It is.

01:18:34.000 It's shocking how easy people bend about how it changes who they are.

01:18:40.000 It changes what they do, how they view the world.

01:18:43.000 It changes what they accept.

01:18:47.000 It also changes what they think of as being normal.

01:18:53.000 Like it's normal to have a mask on now.

01:18:55.000 Everywhere you go.

01:18:56.000 For a lot of people.

01:18:58.000 A lot of people are out there wearing masks outside.

01:19:00.000 That makes no sense.

01:19:01.000 It doesn't work at all.

01:19:02.000 You're walking around outside in the street with a mask on.

01:19:06.000 That is not helping anybody.

01:19:08.000 I'm a fan of people being able to do whatever the hell they want to do, but I also really appreciate people making informed decisions as opposed to just doing what they're told and not looking into it at all.

01:19:19.000 Well, there's so many people that are wearing their masks, it's almost like they have them on as a chin strap, and yet they still have them on.

01:19:27.000 They just kind of have them down here, and they're just wandering around.

01:19:31.000 It's like we've kind of fallen into this weird zone of as long as you have it.

01:19:37.000 I was in Vegas over New Year's at a jiu-jitsu camp.

01:19:42.000 Another jiu-jitsu camp.

01:19:43.000 Look at you.

01:19:44.000 I'm going to Costa Rica this month.

01:19:46.000 You're going to a jiu-jitsu camp in Costa Rica?

01:19:48.000 In Costa Rica, yeah.

01:19:49.000 Who's putting that on?

01:19:50.000 Henry Akins. 0.99

01:19:50.000 Oh, no shit. 0.99

01:19:51.000 Who is a Hicks and Gracie black belt. 1.00

01:19:54.000 And when you roll with him, it feels like you're being beaten with this table. 0.99

01:19:58.000 It's fucking gnarly. 0.98

01:19:59.000 But we're in Vegas and everybody in the casino had to have a mask. 0.99

01:20:03.000 No problem whatsoever.

01:20:05.000 Put the mask on and as you're walking through the one-armed bandits and all the other stuff, it is...

01:20:12.000 Would be the polite way to say this. 0.99

01:20:14.000 Morbidly obese individuals with a fucking redneck guzzler in the cup holder, mask down, not everybody of course, but plenty of this. 1.00

01:20:24.000 Cigarette. 1.00

01:20:26.000 And all the warnings everywhere in the casino are about COVID-19.

01:20:31.000 It's like, what?

01:20:32.000 What are we doing?

01:20:33.000 And hey, I've had COVID twice.

01:20:34.000 I'm not saying it's not real.

01:20:35.000 I have family members and people that I know who are going through it right now.

01:20:39.000 I totally get that. 1.00

01:20:40.000 But goddamn. 0.99

01:20:41.000 There's a little bit of fantasy, I think, going on. 0.99

01:20:46.000 And I do worry about the yardstick being moved a little bit at a time.

01:20:52.000 You mentioned the Patriot Act.

01:20:54.000 I'm not against the Patriot Act, but I wonder how many people realize how much of their privacy they lost with the Patriot Act.

01:21:00.000 And I'd be interested for them to do a little bit of research and realize they never got any of it back.

01:21:06.000 So once it goes, getting that back...

01:21:10.000 It doesn't happen.

01:21:11.000 It's not going to happen.

01:21:12.000 Yeah.

01:21:12.000 That's the real concern.

01:21:13.000 The real concern is that decisions that you make right now that you think are good short-term, you have to look at the consequences long-term.

01:21:22.000 I remember there was a discussion during the Obama administration about the indefinite detention.

01:21:32.000 It was about- In Guantanamo?

01:21:34.000 No, it wasn't just Guantanamo.

01:21:36.000 It was – I forget what the act was that they were trying to pass.

01:21:41.000 But this idea that they didn't necessarily need the same – the same protections of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were not going to apply if they could – Somehow or another decide that you were a target that was worthy.

01:22:02.000 I forget what the parameters were.

01:22:03.000 I forget what it was called, but what I do remember was that one of the things they were saying was that this is not something that we would ever use.

01:22:15.000 I'm like, well, then why do you have it?

01:22:18.000 Because if it's not something you would use, is this what it is?

01:22:22.000 Yeah, I heard it.

01:22:23.000 Defense authorization.

01:22:24.000 Okay.

01:22:25.000 Minus indefinite detention ban.

01:22:27.000 That's right.

01:22:28.000 The NDAA, that's exactly what it was.

01:22:29.000 So the NDAA still allows indefinite detention of American citizens by the military, but President Obama says his administration won't use this power.

01:22:37.000 That's exactly it.

01:22:39.000 So that, just that alone.

01:22:42.000 Indefinite.

01:22:43.000 Indefinite means the rest of your life.

01:22:47.000 Indefinite doesn't mean a week.

01:22:49.000 It doesn't mean a year.

01:22:50.000 It doesn't mean an hour.

01:22:51.000 It could mean forever.

01:22:52.000 It could mean whatever.

01:22:53.000 Indefinite.

01:22:55.000 I wonder, so that was signed in 2013. I wonder if it still continues today.

01:23:00.000 So that was exactly, thanks for pulling that up, Jamie, the NDAA. So, but he said that his administration would not use this power, and put that back, please.

01:23:10.000 The actual quote, I want to clarify that my administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens, Obama wrote.

01:23:21.000 Indeed, I believe that doing so would break Our most important traditions and values as a nation so that The problem with that is If Obama didn't use it and wouldn't use it,

01:23:36.000 that's great.

01:23:37.000 But now it's on the books for Trump.

01:23:39.000 Now it's on the books for...

01:23:40.000 Or whoever might be in that seat.

01:23:42.000 But he was after him.

01:23:43.000 Yeah, I'm sure...

01:23:44.000 Trump.

01:23:46.000 Yeah.

01:23:46.000 But I mean, and then who's after Trump?

01:23:48.000 I mean, what if we get a real fucking loon in there? 0.99

01:23:50.000 What if we get a guy who's so crazy that he makes us long for Trump? 1.00

01:23:54.000 All we'd have to do is get attacked. 0.98

01:23:57.000 All we would have to do is have like a real hot war on our hands in the United States like a real attack Chicago gets blown up and we could have a fucking We could have a crazy situation and that's when Our rights and our laws are critical.

01:24:15.000 And having something like that, the NDAA freak people out, and having someone like Obama, which I don't think Obama would use that, but have him say, we would not use that.

01:24:25.000 Well, don't have it then.

01:24:27.000 Yeah, I'm sure it came with an expiration date, but I'd be curious if it got pushed forward.

01:24:32.000 Yeah, I don't think that stuff lasts forever.

01:24:35.000 I'm not a policy expert by any stretch.

01:24:36.000 I think as long as there's a war on terror.

01:24:40.000 When has there not been?

01:24:41.000 Just because they started calling it in the last 20 years doesn't mean we haven't had enemies all over the world.

01:24:47.000 People forget that too.

01:24:48.000 They think because we're not actively involved in Iraq and Afghanistan, which we still have people in Iraq.

01:24:54.000 I think the last stat I saw, we have a presence in about 140 countries, just even in the special operations world.

01:25:01.000 The war on terror is not over by any stretch of the imagination.

01:25:04.000 Nor do I think it will ever be.

01:25:06.000 Right.

01:25:06.000 It seems like an indefinite war, indefinite, whatever you want to call it, conflict.

01:25:13.000 I mean, it's always going to be a strategy that certain states use to try to implement their goals.

01:25:21.000 You're going to have terror.

01:25:23.000 You're going to have terrorist attacks.

01:25:25.000 And when we're looking at this gigantic world of resources and of conflicts and The idea of a time in the future where there's no war, no conflict, that's one of the most depressing things about being a person.

01:25:41.000 Like, there's no...

01:25:42.000 If you had a bet, what is the gamble?

01:25:46.000 What are the odds that there's going to come a day where there's no war?

01:25:49.000 I would say 0%.

01:25:51.000 I mean, the most accurate thing you could look at would be the rearview mirror on that.

01:25:56.000 And I am not an expert in humanity or the history of humans, but I don't think...

01:26:01.000 There has been a stretch of time in the history of humans where there has not been conflict or fighting, which at least escalated to war.

01:26:08.000 Probably smaller scale as we were evolving and society was growing, but I can't think of a single period of time.

01:26:13.000 No, I don't think there is.

01:26:14.000 The only thing that I think would save us is alien intervention. 0.99

01:26:18.000 Or all the fucking nukes would fly instantly. 1.00

01:26:21.000 As soon as that happened, we're all dead. 1.00

01:26:24.000 Come back again in a hundred million years and see what what's left and what starts over again.

01:26:30.000 Yeah The real scary thing is like if all the nukes flew it wouldn't just be all the people die It would be so much life dies that whatever is left the amount of time that it would take and To evolve back into a position where we could have advanced intelligent life again.

01:26:50.000 And I say we.

01:26:53.000 That's the loosest use of the word we.

01:26:55.000 With the molecules of your body that remain in the atmosphere somewhere?

01:26:59.000 Yeah, it's not really going to be us.

01:27:01.000 And what kind of life?

01:27:03.000 I mean, if you go back and look at the history of Earth and life on Earth, you know, Earth is what?

01:27:10.000 Four point something billion years old, right?

01:27:13.000 Probably depends on who you ask.

01:27:15.000 And intelligent life is basically limited to the last couple of hundred thousand years.

01:27:21.000 And out of that intelligent life is only one species that has the capability of space travel, you know, electronics, manipulating its environment.

01:27:33.000 So just one.

01:27:34.000 I mean, it could easily be that that one species didn't exist.

01:27:37.000 There was that one, was it Indonesia, we've talked about this recently, where there was a super volcano eruption like 70,000 years ago that brought the entire human race down to a few thousand people.

01:27:49.000 Really?

01:27:50.000 Yeah.

01:27:50.000 Just because of what the eruption did to the atmosphere and changed the living conditions?

01:27:55.000 It creates like a nuclear winter and essentially wipes out, look at this.

01:28:02.000 Toba.

01:28:02.000 Yeah, Toba.

01:28:03.000 So 75,000, well it's in another language.

01:28:07.000 So what year was that?

01:28:11.000 75,000 years ago?

01:28:13.000 Yeah.

01:28:14.000 Is that what it says?

01:28:15.000 I don't know.

01:28:16.000 Well, just Google the Toba eruption in Indonesia.

01:28:20.000 But it was a massive super volcano.

01:28:23.000 And it brought the entire human race down to a very small number.

01:28:27.000 Well, it could have killed us all. 0.61

01:28:28.000 And if it did kill us all, there would literally be no humans.

01:28:32.000 Yeah, Jim, that's right.

01:28:32.000 74,000 years ago?

01:28:34.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:28:35.000 I don't know what year that is.

01:28:36.000 Does it say...

01:28:38.000 Wow, the volume compared to almost 3 million Empire State buildings. 1.00

01:28:44.000 Holy fuck! 1.00

01:28:45.000 Look at this! 1.00

01:28:46.000 The explosion of the Toba Supervolcano, located on the modern island of Sumatra some 74,000 years ago, was Earth's largest volcanic eruption in the past 28 million years.

01:28:56.000 Parts of Indonesia, India, and the Indian Ocean were covered by 15 centimeters, 6 inches of volcanic debris, an estimated 1,700 cubic miles of rock, a volume comparable to almost 3 million Empire State buildings erupted,

01:29:15.000 forming a crater lake visible even from space.

01:29:20.000 So that brought the entire human race down to a few thousand people.

01:29:25.000 See if it says how many people in that article.

01:29:30.000 How could they even know?

01:29:31.000 I mean, that would obviously be a wild estimate.

01:29:34.000 I don't know.

01:29:34.000 I think they did it based on the genome.

01:29:37.000 I think they just tried to figure out where people emanated from.

01:29:42.000 That's a good question.

01:29:45.000 It is a question.

01:29:46.000 Oh, a few thousand survivors.

01:29:48.000 Okay, here it is.

01:29:50.000 Genetic evidence, there it is, indicates a collapse in human population around 74,000 years ago with all modern humans descending from a few thousand survivors.

01:29:59.000 According to the Toba catastrophe theory, most humans in Europe and Asia didn't make it. 0.99

01:30:15.000 Oh, well, what the fuck is that, man? 0.99

01:30:21.000 Sounds like it was so long ago that nobody has a goddamn idea. 0.99

01:30:24.000 But they do know that that super volcano did erupt and they do know that it almost wiped out the entire race And if that if that happened and it did kill everybody there'd be no people here So imagine all the shit that we have this is a blink of an eye ago 74,000 years ago in terms of the entire history of the earth that didn't have to happen So if we do nuke each other this might be it like for all intelligent life ever That could be it. 0.96

01:30:53.000 For our little marble. 0.60

01:30:54.000 Flying around in space.

01:30:55.000 Our little marble is so delicate.

01:30:57.000 So are the people on it, unfortunately.

01:31:00.000 So delicate.

01:31:00.000 We're all delicate.

01:31:02.000 Speaking of delicate, how the hell are you doing managing all this Spotify chatter that I'm hearing?

01:31:08.000 I'm great.

01:31:09.000 You know what I appreciate?

01:31:10.000 Well, actually, I'm not going to say I'm going to appreciate about the Spotify chatter.

01:31:13.000 Very often, when they post a picture of you, when they're, like, yelling at you, you're wearing that black cleared hot shirt.

01:31:20.000 I love it so much.

01:31:22.000 It's like 75% of the time.

01:31:24.000 Really?

01:31:25.000 It's perfect, yeah.

01:31:25.000 Oh, that's interesting.

01:31:26.000 You go to a UFC weigh-in or something like that, and they pick that picture.

01:31:30.000 All right, man.

01:31:31.000 That's cool.

01:31:33.000 I'm good with that.

01:31:34.000 Yeah, it's been good.

01:31:35.000 Stay offline, ignore it, and everything seems okay.

01:31:40.000 There's nothing much I could do.

01:31:42.000 You know, if I engaged with all of it, you know, I put out a video a couple of days ago.

01:31:46.000 Yeah, I saw it.

01:31:46.000 I thought it was good.

01:31:47.000 Thank you.

01:31:48.000 You know, other than that, not much I could do.

01:31:51.000 I also think that people are smart enough to look at complex situations and come to their own conclusions.

01:32:02.000 I dislike the idea of robbing people of their chance to make an educated choice or decision.

01:32:07.000 I think so, too.

01:32:09.000 I agree with that.

01:32:10.000 And I think that when you're hearing it from people that are losing the information, attention game...

01:32:18.000 People like CNN, when they're calling for other networks or other shows or other programs to be censored or other programs to be limited, it's like, just do better.

01:32:32.000 You guys should be better at what you're doing.

01:32:34.000 More people should be paying attention to you than are.

01:32:36.000 Why aren't they?

01:32:37.000 Well, first of all, it's the format.

01:32:38.000 This format of seven minutes or whatever it is and then commercial.

01:32:42.000 It's rough.

01:32:42.000 You got it only an hour.

01:32:44.000 You're only on TV at 6 p.m.

01:32:46.000 at night to 7. And then there's another show at 7 to 8. That is antiquated.

01:32:52.000 That old format is so limited.

01:32:57.000 Obviously, there's nothing else they can do, right?

01:32:58.000 They're on cable.

01:32:59.000 They have a time slot.

01:33:01.000 But that format of time slots, it has a very hard time competing with the open-ended format of an internet streaming show.

01:33:09.000 I'm assuming you've done live TV interviews remotely, too, where you're staring at the blank lens.

01:33:14.000 Oh, terrible.

01:33:15.000 There's a delay.

01:33:16.000 There's a delay, and you have approximately 30 seconds to unpack a very complicated subject. 0.99

01:33:21.000 Also, you don't feel comfortable staring at a fucking camera like that. 0.98

01:33:28.000 Everything is stacked against normal discourse. 0.99

01:33:31.000 Everything.

01:33:32.000 Everything is stacked against you being comfortable.

01:33:34.000 Those shows are just not good.

01:33:36.000 And CNN has started to do a CNN Plus thing, where they have a streaming app, and I think you have to pay for it.

01:33:47.000 Do you have to pay for CNN Plus?

01:33:49.000 Is it just additional content?

01:33:51.000 They're going to have talk shows.

01:33:53.000 Don Lemon's going to have a talk show with an audience. 1.00

01:33:55.000 They're going to do shit like that. 1.00

01:33:57.000 Fuck, when was the last time you watched a talk show? 1.00

01:34:00.000 They're terrible. 1.00

01:34:01.000 I mean, for me, it's measured in years.

01:34:03.000 Maybe decades since I watched a talk show.

01:34:05.000 I mean, I watched Bill Maher.

01:34:06.000 I watched that.

01:34:07.000 Okay.

01:34:07.000 I actually have watched some clips of that.

01:34:08.000 God damn it, Joe. 0.98

01:34:10.000 But that's as different... 0.99

01:34:12.000 That's as close to being an internet show.

01:34:15.000 You know, because it's on HBO. Yeah.

01:34:17.000 And so it's uncensored.

01:34:18.000 And other than his monologue, too, he's really having conversations with people at the table.

01:34:22.000 Still time-constrained, for sure, but...

01:34:24.000 They do jump all over each other, though.

01:34:26.000 Yeah.

01:34:27.000 You know, when you have...

01:34:29.000 Whenever I do a podcast with three people, it's hard.

01:34:32.000 If it was you and one other guy there, it's difficult to get a flow.

01:34:36.000 Because, like, I know when you're about to say something and I back off and, you know, I'm listening to you and then I talk and we're trying to, like, dance.

01:34:43.000 When there's three people, it's harder to dance.

01:34:45.000 When there's four people that you don't even know and you know you have this limited amount of time, it's like...

01:34:50.000 And people have these, like, planned out rants that they want to go on and it's like...

01:34:54.000 And everyone's trying to go viral.

01:34:56.000 It's like...

01:34:57.000 It's hard.

01:34:59.000 Yeah, it's not good.

01:35:00.000 How would you pick the guest that would sit there on the opposing side of those arguments?

01:35:05.000 For, like, Peter McCullough?

01:35:09.000 You'd be able to find him online.

01:35:11.000 There's some very intelligent, very bold doctors.

01:35:15.000 There's a guy named Vinay Prasad that I actually tweeted one of his articles that was critical of, I think it was Malone.

01:35:22.000 It was Malone or McCullough, I forget which guy.

01:35:24.000 It might have been both.

01:35:25.000 But he would work really well.

01:35:28.000 There's quite a few of these guys that are like really highly educated doctors that have differing perspectives, but they're more fact-based than narrative-based.

01:35:40.000 Because there's some certain people...

01:35:43.000 They follow whatever the projected narrative is, like whatever the government's projecting, whatever the CDC's projecting, the World Health Organization.

01:35:52.000 They're saying exactly what those people are saying, even when those things turn out to be incorrect, right?

01:35:58.000 Oh, and then they seem to be unwilling to...

01:36:00.000 Admit the error of their ways.

01:36:02.000 They're just in lockstep.

01:36:03.000 Again, it's people are afraid of not being able to identify with whatever their tribe may be.

01:36:06.000 That's a problem with people too with these networks is that they don't seem human because they don't admit when they're wrong and they don't admit when they're disseminating propaganda or where they're just bullshitting.

01:36:20.000 Like with me with that whole horse dewormer thing.

01:36:22.000 I like the filter that they put on you, though.

01:36:24.000 It was really good.

01:36:25.000 It made me hot, right?

01:36:25.000 Like the color of whatever's inside of that green behind you, like pasty.

01:36:30.000 They did a fact check, one of those news things that did a fact check.

01:36:36.000 They said it's incorrect. 1.00

01:36:38.000 Like, bullshit! 1.00

01:36:39.000 You can see it for yourself. 1.00

01:36:40.000 Don't fucking lie. 1.00

01:36:41.000 That's a lie. 1.00

01:36:42.000 The fact check is a lie.

01:36:43.000 But who's fact checking the fact checkers?

01:36:47.000 Who's paying the fact checkers? 1.00

01:36:49.000 You're not unbiased.

01:36:51.000 What are you doing?

01:36:52.000 What is a fact check?

01:36:55.000 Says who? 0.65

01:36:56.000 Yeah.

01:36:56.000 Says you?

01:36:57.000 How'd you come to that conclusion? 1.00

01:36:58.000 If just that alone, that CNN didn't put a filter on my face, shut the fuck up. 0.99

01:37:03.000 And when I put it up on my Instagram, like, so many people were mad. 0.99

01:37:06.000 Side-by-side comparison, if you will?

01:37:08.000 Yeah.

01:37:08.000 It's like so there.

01:37:09.000 It's so obvious. 1.00

01:37:10.000 It's such a dumb thing to do. 0.93

01:37:12.000 Well, it's part of the problem, too, because if you consistently tell people that what they're seeing is not what they're seeing and what they're hearing is not what they're hearing. 0.98

01:37:19.000 Yeah, that's gaslighting.

01:37:21.000 So if you knew somebody, a friend of yours, who...

01:37:24.000 Consistently just told you that, no, your eyes are wrong and your ears are wrong.

01:37:27.000 How long would it be before you completely tuned that person out?

01:37:30.000 And that's, I think, a lot of what's happening with both sides.

01:37:34.000 I mean, I try to stay out of left and right arguments because I don't know if I've ever felt less represented by the representatives of our government right now. 0.76

01:37:42.000 I'm fucking lost in this middle ground.

01:37:44.000 It's like, can I have a little bit on this side and also... 0.96

01:37:48.000 I think?

01:38:15.000 I think it's okay to be like that.

01:38:16.000 Oh yeah.

01:38:17.000 It should be.

01:38:18.000 Yeah.

01:38:19.000 There's a lot of subjects where you should be like that.

01:38:21.000 Yeah.

01:38:21.000 All of them for me, except for probably like three, I actually have an educated opinion on.

01:38:27.000 Yeah.

01:38:27.000 There's not a lot of subjects where I'll go, stop.

01:38:30.000 You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. 0.99

01:38:31.000 MMA, I give you. 1.00

01:38:32.000 You'll stop some people.

01:38:33.000 I'll stop some people.

01:38:35.000 Yeah.

01:38:35.000 There's been a few times, a few notable, well, because people talk crazy and I'm like, listen, you can't talk crazy about this.

01:38:43.000 I am very passionate about defending MMA fighters, defending their courage, defending what is happening in an actual fight.

01:38:55.000 When someone will say, oh they quit, or they laid down, or they didn't show up today.

01:39:01.000 Stop.

01:39:01.000 You don't know what you're talking about.

01:39:04.000 There's so much going on here.

01:39:06.000 Get out there for 20 minutes yourself, buddy.

01:39:08.000 Can we talk for a second about Francis Ngannou doing jiu-jitsu?

01:39:11.000 Isn't that wild?

01:39:13.000 First off, I was scared of him before.

01:39:15.000 Because if he hits you, you're going to die.

01:39:17.000 Bro, his leg was destroyed going into that fight.

01:39:19.000 He had a totally torn MCL, his ACL. Are you serious?

01:39:22.000 Yeah, he needs surgery.

01:39:23.000 Because he had...

01:39:24.000 Knee sleeves.

01:39:25.000 Somebody was asking me about that.

01:39:27.000 You need surgery.

01:39:28.000 Does the opponent have to agree to let him wear those?

01:39:31.000 No.

01:39:32.000 We were in California.

01:39:34.000 And in California, it's legal to have knee sleeves on.

01:39:37.000 There are some jurisdictions where they'll let you tape your ankles.

01:39:42.000 Some commissions.

01:39:43.000 I'm going to cough again.

01:39:46.000 Some commissions will let you tape your ankles, some won't.

01:39:50.000 There's all sorts of different rules when it comes to MMA, unfortunately.

01:39:53.000 There's the unified rules of MMA, there's the changed unified rules that they've changed some of the parameters, like what constitutes a downed opponent, and then some places will let you tape your ankles, some places won't.

01:40:06.000 There's a lot going on.

01:40:07.000 He did the smart move, though.

01:40:09.000 Both knees.

01:40:09.000 Yeah, so you don't know.

01:40:10.000 You don't put tape on just two fingers and be like, I'm fine.

01:40:14.000 No.

01:40:15.000 Do you remember Sakuraba?

01:40:17.000 Sakuraba. 0.99

01:40:18.000 Sakuraba's knees were so fucked that he would tape all the way up, halfway up his thigh, where his knees were mummified. 0.99

01:40:28.000 How much flexion and extension did he have? 1.00

01:40:30.000 Very little?

01:40:31.000 Very little, man.

01:40:32.000 When you would see Sakuraba when he fought, especially later in his career, his knees were the craziest thing.

01:40:38.000 See if you find a video of Sakuraba.

01:40:41.000 Oh my lord.

01:40:42.000 Look how taped up his knees are.

01:40:44.000 I mean, it's like halfway up his thigh and halfway down to his ankle.

01:40:50.000 Dude, when Francis picked up that guy mid-kick and they both left the ground and he came down, all I could think of in my head while watching that was imagining, like in a cartoon, the ghost of my body just floating up.

01:41:04.000 I mean, what does he weigh?

01:41:06.000 Well, he weighed in at 257. How tall is he?

01:41:11.000 He's 6'5", I believe.

01:41:13.000 That's Dudley tall.

01:41:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:41:15.000 Dudley tall.

01:41:17.000 That's the two of them slamming down to the ground.

01:41:20.000 Then that's, again, where Mike goes.

01:41:21.000 Look at the faces in the background.

01:41:23.000 Look at that dude with his mouth open.

01:41:24.000 Look at the girl, too.

01:41:25.000 The girl on the left, right underneath his knee.

01:41:27.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:28.000 Every single face. 1.00

01:41:30.000 Everybody's like, holy shit. 1.00

01:41:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:33.000 Well...

01:41:34.000 That was his best option to win that fight, given the fact that he was injured.

01:41:38.000 I had no idea that he was injured.

01:41:40.000 It was significant.

01:41:41.000 He wasn't talking about that before, though, was he?

01:41:44.000 Well, we knew about it.

01:41:46.000 We had heard about it.

01:41:47.000 There was a rumor going around, and we had heard about it.

01:41:49.000 I had not talked to his coaches, so I didn't know exactly the extent of the injury, and I found out afterwards.

01:41:54.000 And I actually connected one of his coaches with Ways to Well, which is a company that I use here in Austin for stem cells.

01:42:02.000 But he had significant tears in his knee, to the point where they were really considering not fighting. 0.99

01:42:10.000 Oh, damn. 0.99

01:42:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:42:12.000 But he still fought and he still won.

01:42:13.000 It was beautiful.

01:42:14.000 A man that size?

01:42:15.000 So he weighed in at 257. What do you think he stepped in the ring at?

01:42:18.000 Well, DC thinks he's about 270. Because he looked so much bigger than Cyril Gaughan.

01:42:23.000 Because Cyril Gaughan was 247, which means Cyril Gaughan didn't have to lose any weight.

01:42:28.000 He weighed in his walk-around?

01:42:30.000 Right.

01:42:30.000 But Francis oftentimes is over the 265-pound limit.

01:42:34.000 So when he goes to weigh in, he'll just not eat very much the day before.

01:42:39.000 Dip under it?

01:42:40.000 Dip under it, and then weigh himself in.

01:42:43.000 And then afterwards, he'll rehydrate and carb up.

01:42:47.000 So the day of the fight, he looked massive.

01:42:49.000 I mean, he was huge.

01:42:51.000 Yeah, he looked huge.

01:42:51.000 But he moved beautifully.

01:42:54.000 Well, especially for a guy with a fucked knee. 1.00

01:42:56.000 Yeah, I had no idea. 0.88

01:42:57.000 I mean, you also have to take into consideration what kind of an impact did that have on his training in terms of his cardio, like his cardio output?

01:43:04.000 Like, what was he able to do?

01:43:06.000 And, you know, how was that going to affect the way he fought and the pace that he was able to fight at?

01:43:11.000 All I'll say is Francis Ngannou is one of the best arguments for carrying a gun on the face of the planet.

01:43:17.000 Because if you run into that dude in an alleyway, You're going to die.

01:43:22.000 Yeah, you're not gonna hurt him.

01:43:24.000 No!

01:43:25.000 Yeah, I mean, Stipe landed some big shots on him and didn't even ding him.

01:43:29.000 That's why tools exist.

01:43:31.000 Sometimes you need to have tools.

01:43:33.000 Yeah.

01:43:34.000 What's interesting is that guy evolving his game and then incorporating wrestling and incorporating jujitsu.

01:43:39.000 And I'm really curious to see what he decides to do in the future.

01:43:44.000 If he decides to box or if he decides to stay with the UFC. Because Part of me wants to see him...

01:43:52.000 I want to see him box.

01:43:55.000 I mean, I don't want to see him box because I don't love seeing him fight in MMA. I love seeing him fight in MMA. But I want to see him box because I want to see him get a giant chunk of money.

01:44:05.000 Like Conor McGregor-style Floyd Mayweather chunk of money.

01:44:08.000 Because when Conor fought Floyd Mayweather, he made $100 million.

01:44:13.000 I don't believe that's bad for an evening's work.

01:44:15.000 I think that's nice.

01:44:17.000 I would love to see that.

01:44:19.000 If he fought Tyson Fury, how much money would they be able to get?

01:44:24.000 I know nothing about that.

01:44:25.000 Do you think they'd be able to demand that much?

01:44:29.000 I don't know.

01:44:30.000 Is it off the pay-per-view or what they could sell it as?

01:44:32.000 Yeah, it's off the pay-per-view.

01:44:34.000 It's off what they could sell.

01:44:35.000 I mean, obviously, it would have to be very marketable, and Tyson Fury's very marketable, and Francis Ngannou's very marketable, especially him as a UFC heavyweight champion going up to fight in boxing.

01:44:48.000 And it would be weird to see Tyson Fury like a legit five inches taller than Francis Ngannou, because that's what he would be.

01:44:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:56.000 Tyson Fury is 6'9".

01:44:59.000 I think Francis is 6'4 or 6'5.

01:45:02.000 I'm not sure.

01:45:04.000 How tall is Francis?

01:45:05.000 Is he 6'4 or 6'5?

01:45:06.000 But the big fight in MMA is Jon Jones.

01:45:13.000 Does he fight at that same weight?

01:45:15.000 Jon Jones is fighting heavyweight now.

01:45:16.000 Is there a weight class above the 265?

01:45:18.000 There is, but the UFC has never implemented it.

01:45:21.000 It's just super heavyweight.

01:45:23.000 There's just not boys out there big enough to...

01:45:25.000 I mean, I guess there's probably a few, but there's not enough where they felt the need to have an over 265-pound weight class.

01:45:32.000 It is kind of weird, though, that there's a weight limit on heavyweight.

01:45:36.000 Huh.

01:45:38.000 Because you'd be like heavyweight would just like be the biggest person you had.

01:45:40.000 That's what I figured.

01:45:41.000 I figured at that level it was like kind of come as you are.

01:45:45.000 I mean, it could be one day.

01:45:46.000 You know, one day there could be a guy who is so compelling.

01:45:50.000 Like, maybe there's some, like, gigantic Reco Roman wrestler like Corellin.

01:45:54.000 Like, Corellin in his prime, I think, was, like, 290 pounds.

01:45:57.000 Something bigger than that.

01:45:58.000 Yeah.

01:45:59.000 If you did have a guy that big that was marketable, I could see the UFC implementing a super heavyweight division.

01:46:05.000 But it's available.

01:46:07.000 I mean, it's something that the commissions have sanctioned.

01:46:12.000 What were you doing out at the old John Wick Academy recently?

01:46:15.000 Just learning how to shoot people.

01:46:17.000 Were you, though? 0.96

01:46:18.000 Was I? I'm asking you.

01:46:19.000 I don't know.

01:46:20.000 What were you up to?

01:46:21.000 You seem to be shooting as fast as humanly possible. 0.51

01:46:23.000 I'm shooting targets.

01:46:24.000 Bang, bang, bang, bang.

01:46:25.000 Yeah, I know.

01:46:26.000 Yeah.

01:46:26.000 All right.

01:46:27.000 Okay.

01:46:28.000 What are you...

01:46:30.000 Ask me that way.

01:46:31.000 Every time I see somebody post a video from there, they're shooting as fast as humanly possible.

01:46:34.000 Which, there's nothing wrong with that, but accuracy is final, not speed.

01:46:38.000 Yes, yeah.

01:46:39.000 No, he loves making videos.

01:46:41.000 Like Taren from Taren Tactical.

01:46:43.000 That's what it's called, I couldn't remember.

01:46:45.000 He likes making these videos of you running through these courses and implementing proper technique with speed and timing you.

01:46:53.000 Yeah, it's not the best way to be accurate.

01:46:55.000 Yeah, I'm just curious.

01:46:56.000 But you do accuracy stuff, too.

01:46:58.000 But when he makes videos, he wants to make these videos very fun.

01:47:02.000 Yeah.

01:47:02.000 Like, for people to look at.

01:47:03.000 I've never been there.

01:47:04.000 That's why.

01:47:04.000 I was just curious.

01:47:05.000 I saw you out there just running and gunning full speed.

01:47:08.000 Yeah.

01:47:08.000 I see you and Callan out there.

01:47:10.000 Yeah, Callan goes out there all the time. 0.99

01:47:12.000 He sucks at shooting. 0.99

01:47:16.000 I tell them that. 1.00

01:47:16.000 I post. 1.00

01:47:17.000 I have that tactical asshole page and he's just the cashmere cunt because he's always out there in a cashmere shirt shooting a fucking pistol carbine, which again is like an MP5. Right. 1.00

01:47:26.000 It's like make your mind up.

01:47:29.000 Like I said, I've never been there.

01:47:32.000 It's shooting videos online.

01:47:36.000 I was just trying to figure out what you guys are up to.

01:47:37.000 Well, a lot of what they do is those competitions, you know, where they run a course.

01:47:43.000 Yep, shot timer courses.

01:47:44.000 Yeah, so he's really into that.

01:47:47.000 And he's really into training people for films, you know.

01:47:51.000 So, like, he trained Keanu Reeves famously and Halle Berry and a lot of other people for films.

01:47:56.000 And Kevin Hart's been there and a bunch of other...

01:47:58.000 You know, Michael P. Jordan's been there.

01:48:01.000 Michael B. Jordan.

01:48:03.000 B., right?

01:48:04.000 Sorry.

01:48:04.000 You know, the guy from...

01:48:08.000 Well, Creed.

01:48:09.000 He's been in everything.

01:48:10.000 But those people that want to learn how to look like Billy Badass, they go to Terran Tactical.

01:48:16.000 All right.

01:48:17.000 Fair enough.

01:48:17.000 You can mock it.

01:48:18.000 I'm not trying to mock it.

01:48:19.000 You gotta smile.

01:48:20.000 There's a mocking smile.

01:48:22.000 I know you, Andy Stump.

01:48:23.000 Because I'm thinking of Brian.

01:48:25.000 Oh. 0.99

01:48:26.000 So why does Brian suck? 1.00

01:48:28.000 Tell me why Brian sucks at him. 0.99

01:48:30.000 I would have to go back and look at some of the videos that he is willingly posting, so I feel I have full license to mock. 0.85

01:48:38.000 What's wrong with the way he does it? 0.98

01:48:40.000 How much more does he suck than me? 0.99

01:48:43.000 I'd have to do a side-by-side comparison. 1.00

01:48:45.000 You post less videos than he does.

01:48:46.000 Is that the problem?

01:48:48.000 He gives you too much to study.

01:48:50.000 It's really hard to tell.

01:48:51.000 I mean, the only thing you can really tell on the videos is how, you know, stance, grip, how you're managing your reach coil, and how you're controlling your trigger.

01:48:59.000 He does all those poorly.

01:49:03.000 And I would say that to him if he was sitting right here.

01:49:05.000 What do I do wrong?

01:49:06.000 I'd have to look at him again.

01:49:08.000 I'm not necessarily saying you're doing anything wrong.

01:49:09.000 That's why I was asking you what you're doing out there.

01:49:11.000 So we would do speedruns all the time.

01:49:13.000 Don't get me wrong. 0.99

01:49:13.000 The number one tool to get somebody to unwind on a pistol range is that fucking shot timer. 0.99

01:49:18.000 I have watched guys who are so incredibly competent shooting, and you get them into a competition setting, and they're just putting magazines and their pistols backwards, which is amazing. 0.97

01:49:29.000 I totally support it.

01:49:30.000 Psst. 1.00

01:49:30.000 Dropping shit. 1.00

01:49:32.000 I mean, it's, you know, dead man guns where you're presenting. 1.00

01:49:34.000 Yeah.

01:49:35.000 There's Callan.

01:49:35.000 I know.

01:49:36.000 I don't have a problem with what he's doing here.

01:49:38.000 I think you're wrong.

01:49:39.000 That's fair.

01:49:40.000 I mean, let's just look at the flared elbows.

01:49:41.000 Let's look at the bunny hop.

01:49:43.000 Let's look at how his hands are so in instead of actually having an extended, you know, grip on that.

01:49:48.000 Look at that old man neck he's got. 0.77

01:49:49.000 Oof.

01:49:50.000 I know.

01:49:50.000 He's got an old man neck.

01:49:52.000 The back of his neck looks like a fucking old catcher's mitt. 1.00

01:49:55.000 Still on fire, just looking around, still on fire. 1.00

01:50:03.000 I don't know why he keeps dropping the gun and doing that.

01:50:05.000 What is that about?

01:50:06.000 I'm not sure.

01:50:07.000 Oh, Josh Barnett.

01:50:08.000 Yeah.

01:50:08.000 Chris D'Leo.

01:50:09.000 Yeah, he...

01:50:10.000 Taron loves, like, making videos.

01:50:13.000 Yeah.

01:50:13.000 But that's part of his business model.

01:50:15.000 I wasn't knocking it.

01:50:16.000 I was knocking Brian, not necessarily the school.

01:50:19.000 I was just curious.

01:50:19.000 I'd be happy for you to knock it.

01:50:21.000 I like when you knock things.

01:50:22.000 I'd have to go through it to actually be able to...

01:50:25.000 Oh, here we go.

01:50:26.000 Uh-oh.

01:50:28.000 Jamie, can you go back just a sec to the very, very beginning?

01:50:30.000 To watch me with my elbow out?

01:50:32.000 No, I want to see if you have your American flag oriented properly.

01:50:34.000 You do.

01:50:35.000 Good job.

01:50:36.000 Oh, on the ear?

01:50:38.000 Yes.

01:50:38.000 One of the most common mistakes ever.

01:50:40.000 Really?

01:50:40.000 Yep.

01:50:40.000 Stars always lead the way.

01:50:42.000 Okay.

01:50:44.000 How far away are those targets?

01:50:45.000 I don't know.

01:50:46.000 I'm not measuring.

01:50:47.000 How far do they look to you?

01:50:49.000 Five to seven yards.

01:50:52.000 Probably something like that.

01:50:53.000 What are you looking at when you're pulling the trigger?

01:50:55.000 What am I looking at?

01:50:56.000 I'm looking at the iron sights, the two things lining up, the front and back.

01:51:02.000 The front and rear sight?

01:51:03.000 Yeah.

01:51:04.000 Which one's in focus?

01:51:05.000 I'm looking at the rear.

01:51:07.000 Should be the front.

01:51:08.000 Should be front sight focus only.

01:51:09.000 I don't mean the rear.

01:51:11.000 I mean the one the furthest away.

01:51:12.000 Yeah, so that's correct.

01:51:13.000 The front one.

01:51:14.000 Not the one near me.

01:51:16.000 That would be the rears, the fork.

01:51:17.000 I'm looking at the reticle, the one that has the little dot.

01:51:21.000 And that's in focus and things behind it are blurry?

01:51:23.000 Yes.

01:51:24.000 That is completely correct.

01:51:26.000 Now, I was using a red dot for a while, but one time I went there and it fucked up on me.

01:51:32.000 And I was like, ooh, that's not good.

01:51:34.000 I think?

01:51:48.000 When I practice or if I were ever to draw down, I am expecting to be looking at the iron sights because if I can line that up appropriately, the red dot is going to be right there.

01:51:57.000 Right.

01:51:57.000 So I'm not searching for the red dot first and hoping that it's there.

01:52:00.000 You start with the irons and then you can just lift or shift your focus point.

01:52:04.000 Red dots are awesome.

01:52:06.000 In my experience, they can make people a little bit snappy and they can start anticipating the shot because it's just that red dot right there.

01:52:13.000 Right.

01:52:13.000 And they're like, no!

01:52:14.000 Now!

01:52:15.000 And the number one thing for a right-handed shooter is shooting down and to the left because you're just anticipating and driving it down.

01:52:20.000 Isn't there a thing that's very similar to archery in that you kind of want the gun to go off in a surprise way.

01:52:27.000 You don't want to anticipate the recoil and yank.

01:52:31.000 In a perfect world, I would say yes.

01:52:33.000 That would be, especially when it comes to long distance marksmanship, like you're behind a sniper rifle and you want to make a really long shot.

01:52:40.000 There's no room for anticipation.

01:52:42.000 That should apply to both a carbine and a pistol.

01:52:45.000 But here's the reality, right?

01:52:46.000 If it's between me and you, I'm not going to line, like if we're this distance, I'm not even going to bother aiming.

01:52:52.000 I'm going to point my thumbs at you and pull the trigger as many times until the target or the threat is no longer a threat.

01:52:57.000 So in theory, yes, but the situation is going to dictate how much You're actually going to need to do that in practice.

01:53:04.000 But in learning it, that should always be the way that you practice it because then you can increase your speed with that.

01:53:09.000 And then it'll allow you to, as you try to go faster and faster or the targets are closer and closer, you can deviate from that just a little bit.

01:53:17.000 I mean, you don't need a surprise break for something that's three to five yards away.

01:53:20.000 Yeah.

01:53:22.000 So you're dealing with something, if you're talking about a surprise break, you're just looking for optimal technique.

01:53:28.000 Yep.

01:53:28.000 So to define a surprise break, I'm not saying the rifle or pistol surprises you.

01:53:33.000 They're like, oh my god, it went off.

01:53:35.000 No, you're pulling the trigger...

01:53:37.000 It's the same as a silverback, put it into archery terms. 0.97

01:53:39.000 You're pulling, you're pulling, you're pulling.

01:53:41.000 Because your thumb's off the safety, you know it's going to go off.

01:53:43.000 You know it's going to go off, but you don't know exactly when.

01:53:45.000 Correct.

01:53:45.000 So what are you focusing on?

01:53:46.000 Your sight picture.

01:53:47.000 And you just let it float, and when it goes off, it goes off.

01:53:49.000 That would be the perfect execution of a trigger pull or a trigger press.

01:53:56.000 And again, the farther the distance...

01:53:58.000 You know, the more you need to have that.

01:54:00.000 Take a thousand yard shot and you get a little anticipation. 0.99

01:54:03.000 I mean, you ain't gonna hit shit. 0.99

01:54:05.000 Yeah, I remember I watched a Tim Kennedy video and he was shooting on a pistol range and he would insert dummy rounds. 0.99

01:54:12.000 Yep.

01:54:12.000 It is...

01:54:13.000 Very telling.

01:54:14.000 Because what ends up happening with speed, it's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, click!

01:54:18.000 You're like, oh yeah.

01:54:20.000 That only happens when there's a dummy around.

01:54:21.000 It's like, no. 0.99

01:54:22.000 No, that happens every time you're shooting, you're compensating for your shitty technique. 0.97

01:54:25.000 It should be smooth, and then you go through your emergency procedures, and then you're back up and running. 0.88

01:54:30.000 Well, that was the thing in the video.

01:54:33.000 He had it on Instagram where he was pumped because he pulled the trigger and, like, literally his hand didn't move at all.

01:54:38.000 And he was like, whoa!

01:54:39.000 That would be perfect theory and practice. 1.00

01:54:42.000 That shit never happens with me. 1.00

01:54:43.000 I anticipate the shit out of it. 1.00

01:54:45.000 Do you? 0.90

01:54:46.000 Depending on the distance.

01:54:47.000 How often do you practice today?

01:54:50.000 Well, in the winter months in Montana, where it was three degrees when I left this morning.

01:54:53.000 Three?

01:54:54.000 Three degrees.

01:54:55.000 Three balmy degrees.

01:54:56.000 I was actually still rocking flip-flops well into December.

01:54:59.000 Were you really? 1.00

01:55:00.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 1.00

01:55:01.000 Wow. 1.00

01:55:01.000 You got to wait until there's like a foot of snow on the ground and then you can transition over. 1.00

01:55:06.000 When it's not the winter...

01:55:08.000 I can shoot at my house.

01:55:09.000 So I will... 0.99

01:55:10.000 Oh, in your backyard?

01:55:12.000 Yeah.

01:55:12.000 My nearest neighbor is about 60 acres away.

01:55:14.000 Oh, wow.

01:55:15.000 So I have...

01:55:16.000 I can sight in rifles.

01:55:18.000 I don't do a lot of long-distance shooting there, but I have some pistol targets right there.

01:55:21.000 So I will a couple times per week.

01:55:23.000 And the thing is, it's not necessarily the volume.

01:55:27.000 I would say it's the quality.

01:55:30.000 For the last year, I don't know if you guys felt this down here, the ammo shortage was real.

01:55:34.000 I would go to the sporting goods stores, and there were people in line to buy like 9 mil at 7 o'clock in the morning.

01:55:41.000 Do you think that is because so many people were buying ammo that the ammo manufacturers just couldn't keep up because of the pandemic?

01:55:48.000 Because people really did freak out during the protests and the riots.

01:55:52.000 I think it was just like toilet paper. 0.97

01:55:53.000 I think there was always enough stuff around to wipe your ass with, but when somebody goes to Costco and buys a semi-truck full, It limits the amount that everybody else can get. 0.96

01:56:01.000 So if everybody had bought perhaps a reasonable amount, which is what happened where I live is they started limiting how many boxes you could buy because people would just come in and they're just sweeping into a cart. 0.98

01:56:11.000 There was an increase.

01:56:13.000 You can tell that just by looking at the number of firearms applications.

01:56:16.000 You have to do the background check and all that.

01:56:18.000 Those numbers increase.

01:56:19.000 So if there's new gun owners, they're going to be buying more ammunition.

01:56:22.000 But I think the scarcity was largely artificial just due to people wildly buying Probably too much.

01:56:28.000 Well, I remember during the lockdowns when there was giant lines outside the gun stores in LA. I was like, wow.

01:56:36.000 Driving by and seeing a long line outside of a gun store was so bizarre. 0.98

01:56:41.000 And was spooky to people because all these people that are used to driving by that gun store and seeing nothing, and now it sort of signals to you, shit, maybe I should get in there and get a gun. 0.98

01:56:51.000 Maybe I should get some ammo. 0.97

01:56:52.000 It could be an artificial scarcity.

01:56:54.000 Also, people buy guns.

01:56:55.000 Exercise your Second Amendment right if you want to.

01:56:57.000 It's better to have the gun before you need it than be standing out in line for a 10-day wait period.

01:57:02.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:03.000 But again, people make a choice on that.

01:57:04.000 But the ammo shortage will make people not want to train.

01:57:08.000 And you can actually do the vast majority of the training without actually firing around.

01:57:12.000 For people who conceal carry, indexing, clearing fabric out of the way, practicing your draw, everything, the execution magazine changes.

01:57:19.000 You can have an awesome day of training.

01:57:21.000 And obviously, it depends on the experience level that you have.

01:57:25.000 I could do like an hour's training and actually get a lot out of it somewhere between 20 to 30 rounds.

01:57:31.000 Because I can do a lot of it dry fire, or what I'll do is I'll do one round in each magazine if I'm working manipulation or reloads, so I'm not shooting an entire magazine full.

01:57:41.000 I'm focusing on the actual motor skills themselves.

01:57:44.000 So there's ways you can get around it, but people are like, oh, I don't have ammo, I can't train.

01:57:48.000 It's the wrong mentality.

01:57:49.000 Have you ever used one of those simulators?

01:57:52.000 No, but I think I know what you're talking about.

01:57:54.000 We just got one.

01:57:55.000 I gotta remember to bring it in.

01:57:57.000 But it's like a virtual reality simulator.

01:58:01.000 And Jordan Peterson's security guy, Dave, gave it to me.

01:58:05.000 We haven't set it up yet.

01:58:06.000 Like a video with people running around and stuff?

01:58:08.000 Yeah, you put a helmet on.

01:58:10.000 Like VR goggles?

01:58:11.000 Yeah, complete VR goggles, and you have a weighted gun.

01:58:17.000 Firearm replica, probably?

01:58:18.000 Right, and it's synced up to this system, and it's specifically designed to train you for encounters with guns.

01:58:27.000 Obviously, there's no recoil, but other than that, it has heft to it, like a real gun.

01:58:32.000 Is it situational-based training, like use of force, go-no-go stuff?

01:58:35.000 I believe so.

01:58:37.000 I don't know.

01:58:37.000 I think there's a lot of different programs that you can run.

01:58:40.000 I think there's more than one, and I think it's designed for law enforcement, tactical people.

01:58:48.000 The idea is to...

01:58:50.000 Have an environment, virtual, where you can practice where you don't even need a range.

01:58:57.000 So you'll squeeze off shots and it'll register where your actual aim would be.

01:59:03.000 Did you ever use that techno hunt thing in my studio?

01:59:08.000 Do you remember that?

01:59:08.000 I remember, but I know where it was, but I never used it.

01:59:11.000 We're getting one over here, too.

01:59:12.000 Of course you are.

01:59:13.000 Of course we are.

01:59:14.000 But what was interesting about that is you're shooting a real arrow at a real target, and it shows you the actual impact point.

01:59:23.000 Terran Tactical has this laser setup thing where you have a screen and you have a gun that feels like a real gun, but there's obviously no recoil, but when you're looking through the sights, it has iron sights, and when you're looking through the sights and you peel off, it registers on the screen.

01:59:40.000 Where your shot would be.

01:59:41.000 Yeah, some kind of a laser beam or something like that, exactly where you're hitting.

01:59:44.000 So that's better than nothing.

01:59:46.000 Anything is better than nothing.

01:59:47.000 Anything is better than somebody buying a gun and loading it up and having no actual idea how to use it.

01:59:53.000 Yeah.

01:59:54.000 And carrying it around.

01:59:55.000 There's a lot of people out there doing that, too.

01:59:57.000 There's a lot of people who confuse what guns are actually capable of doing.

02:00:01.000 And they think that the possession of a gun somehow equates to their safety, and that's not the case.

02:00:05.000 Right.

02:00:06.000 It's true. 0.99

02:00:07.000 Did you see that fucking video of the guy in a car in a road rage situation? 0.99

02:00:11.000 Yeah, shooting out of the car. 1.00

02:00:12.000 Shooting right through his fucking side window and then through his windshield? 1.00

02:00:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:00:16.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:00:20.000 I mean, I don't have the words to describe that. 0.99

02:00:24.000 That is the, in my opinion, which counts for absolutely nothing, Videos like that are why people will go on crusades to try to strip the Second Amendment or limit people's ability to own a gun. 0.99

02:00:38.000 That is completely and utterly irresponsible usage of that tool, in my opinion, which, like I said, doesn't count for shit. 0.97

02:00:45.000 He said, I think that the other guy pulled the gun first. 0.99

02:00:50.000 Or the other guy shot first.

02:00:52.000 Here's the video.

02:00:53.000 Because it's so crazy. 1.00

02:00:54.000 So they're playing stupid games and winning a stupid prize. 1.00

02:00:59.000 And this engagement, like even right here, like from a situational awareness perspective, the guy's pissed off. 1.00

02:01:04.000 Dude, fucking disengage. 0.99

02:01:05.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:01:06.000 Why chase the guy down in the car?

02:01:07.000 Well, the guy is chasing him, apparently. 1.00

02:01:10.000 The guy's riding his ass and chasing him. 0.99

02:01:13.000 And so here you see, because I haven't seen it before like this. 1.00

02:01:16.000 So he's got to use his thumb to press the button to get the fucking gun out. 0.95

02:01:22.000 Which actually, that might be a requirement of whatever state he's in, but that's not a bad idea, you know, to have something like that. 0.98

02:01:28.000 But meanwhile, he didn't even roll his window down. 0.99

02:01:30.000 This is what's so crazy about this fucking guy. 0.99

02:01:33.000 And he has one in the chamber already, apparently. 1.00

02:01:35.000 And this guy's just totally riding his ass. 0.99

02:01:38.000 And the fact that he immediately goes to shoot out the window. 1.00

02:01:41.000 Look at this.

02:01:44.000 Holy...

02:01:47.000 First off, he gets a F for technique.

02:01:50.000 Emptied his whole clip too.

02:01:52.000 Joe.

02:01:52.000 F. Do not say the word clip again.

02:01:55.000 No?

02:01:56.000 It's a magazine.

02:01:58.000 But the rappers, they say clip.

02:02:00.000 So it looks like the guy, does he have a gun?

02:02:05.000 He has an arm.

02:02:05.000 Who knows?

02:02:06.000 It could be a gesture.

02:02:07.000 It could be...

02:02:07.000 I mean, I've been known to stick my arm out the window to hand signal people before.

02:02:11.000 And he immediately just starts shooting at him.

02:02:14.000 I mean, we don't know.

02:02:15.000 Like, maybe the guy did have a gun.

02:02:17.000 Hold on.

02:02:18.000 Let me... 0.97

02:02:19.000 Imagine just shooting through your windshield like that, too. 0.96

02:02:22.000 Like, look at this.

02:02:23.000 I mean, I've done it.

02:02:24.000 Not in this situation, but...

02:02:26.000 I mean, he's not even looking.

02:02:28.000 No.

02:02:31.000 Holy cow. 0.89

02:02:32.000 So, I mean, there's a lot of things here.

02:02:35.000 Think about every...

02:02:36.000 So, I would be curious to hear...

02:02:39.000 Jamie, does it say how many times he struck the other person's vehicle?

02:02:45.000 What does it say right there?

02:02:49.000 He tells his side of the story?

02:02:51.000 Can we see him get interviewed?

02:02:53.000 I was in fear of my life 1000%, he said.

02:02:57.000 I thought I was going to be shot and probably killed.

02:03:00.000 Okay.

02:03:06.000 Interesting.

02:03:06.000 Oh, so he...

02:03:07.000 So he threw a bottle of water at the side of his car.

02:03:10.000 He said he thought he was being fired upon.

02:03:12.000 Okay, the incident in question happened in June in Miami, ba-ba-ba.

02:03:17.000 11 shots.

02:03:18.000 Very loud noise, and I've heard gunshots.

02:03:20.000 To me, it sounded like a gunshot.

02:03:22.000 I didn't want to see if I was going to be killed.

02:03:24.000 According to the arrest report, he changed lanes and cut off another driver.

02:03:29.000 That driver identified as...

02:03:31.000 We're good to go.

02:03:50.000 Authorities said 11 shots were fired, but no injuries were reported.

02:03:54.000 When they call it stand your ground, whether you call it self-defense, he said, Mr. Popper is not only not guilty, he is innocent and justified, said his attorney.

02:04:04.000 Oh, boy.

02:04:06.000 Well, the legal system will figure that out, right?

02:04:08.000 Yeah.

02:04:08.000 From the perspective of the video, right, so 11 shots fired, like there's so much stuff going on in that video, like backdrop as an example.

02:04:16.000 For the rounds that didn't hit the other dude's car...

02:04:19.000 Where are they going?

02:04:19.000 Where did they go?

02:04:20.000 Right.

02:04:20.000 It could have gone to other people.

02:04:22.000 Shooting through glass.

02:04:23.000 Yeah.

02:04:24.000 It works.

02:04:26.000 Again, so I'm going to get...

02:04:27.000 That looked like a subcompact 9mm pistol.

02:04:33.000 That'll go through glass for sure. 0.59

02:04:35.000 But it doesn't...

02:04:35.000 Like, if you shoot through...

02:04:37.000 You're better off shooting at a distance into glass as opposed to shooting through glass at a close distance and having it ricochet out.

02:04:43.000 All over the place, right?

02:04:44.000 All over the place.

02:04:45.000 You could tell...

02:04:45.000 And the backdrop is the biggest thing.

02:04:47.000 Like, every one of those rounds is going to find a home somewhere.

02:04:50.000 And that is exactly...

02:04:51.000 And again, the legal system can work out whether or not the guy's innocent or guilty.

02:04:55.000 I don't have an issue with that.

02:04:57.000 But... 1.00

02:05:00.000 Discharging a firearm like that on the road, you're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

02:05:04.000 And that is exactly the type of video that people will point to to try to strip those things away. 1.00

02:05:08.000 And having a round in the chamber, opinions may vary on this.

02:05:13.000 I would say if you're going to carry a gun and you don't feel comfortable having a round in the chamber, you may want to consider not carrying.

02:05:22.000 An unloaded gun has the same effective distance as a claw hammer.

02:05:26.000 And gross motor skills, very often are going to be the first things that degrade in a violent confrontation.

02:05:32.000 So depending on how you have it carried, let's say you're an appendix carrier, you're going to have to get that thing out, load a round into the chamber, and then index your target.

02:05:40.000 There's a lot of steps involved in that.

02:05:43.000 Guns don't just actively – they don't just go off on their own.

02:05:46.000 So to me, when people are not comfortable with carrying with a round in the chamber, oftentimes it's It's oftentimes based in kind of a lack of understanding of how a firearm actually functions.

02:05:59.000 When you're shooting through a windshield like that, how much of the impact...

02:06:05.000 How much of the kinetic energy bleeds off?

02:06:08.000 A lot.

02:06:10.000 But the biggest thing is it changes the angle drastically.

02:06:13.000 Like I said, you're better off shooting back into...

02:06:18.000 From a distance.

02:06:19.000 I mean, even close up, the target that you're shooting at isn't very far past the glass.

02:06:24.000 Right.

02:06:24.000 He's reversing that.

02:06:25.000 He's shooting through glass at a target that is increasing the distance.

02:06:29.000 Like, good luck.

02:06:31.000 Yeah.

02:06:32.000 I'm going to assume that happened in Florida.

02:06:34.000 It is Florida, right?

02:06:35.000 Yeah, Miami.

02:06:37.000 7 a.m.

02:06:38.000 7 a.m.? 1.00

02:06:39.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:06:40.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:06:41.000 He's on his way to work.

02:06:42.000 Wow.

02:06:43.000 Yeah.

02:06:43.000 95. Jesus Christ.

02:06:45.000 No three-way.

02:06:46.000 Guns are a tool.

02:06:48.000 They're a tool designed to take life though.

02:06:50.000 And people get really, really twitchy when you define them like that because they feel like if you say that, then that somehow creates an argument for restricting them.

02:07:00.000 And I think it's a disingenuous thing to say.

02:07:02.000 They are a tool that is designed to take life.

02:07:05.000 It can be used to preserve and save life for sure, but they should be treated like that tool.

02:07:10.000 And that to me is like as irresponsible as it gets.

02:07:13.000 It didn't look responsible.

02:07:15.000 Yeah.

02:07:15.000 But there's another video that I saw once where a similar situation happens on a highway and it's a similar angle.

02:07:23.000 And this guy is on a highway and there's someone in the passenger seat next to him and he just starts shooting through his windshield at this car on the highway.

02:07:31.000 And you see the guy in the passenger seat like freaking the fuck out because this dude is just unloading through his windshield.

02:07:38.000 Yeah.

02:07:39.000 Yeah, that's not the move.

02:07:42.000 At all.

02:07:42.000 No.

02:07:43.000 No, it's not.

02:07:43.000 No, the move is to decelerate.

02:07:46.000 Get out of there.

02:07:46.000 De-escalate.

02:07:47.000 De-escalate.

02:07:48.000 Get out of there.

02:07:49.000 There was 20 seconds of that building up.

02:07:51.000 Actually, probably even more of it.

02:07:53.000 You could tell he was agitated.

02:07:54.000 You could tell he was involved.

02:07:55.000 Oh, there's more videos?

02:07:57.000 Yeah, so I was just looking in the news.

02:07:58.000 The NBC report said they had four different angles.

02:08:01.000 It's really hard to tell what's going on in them just as I hit play.

02:08:04.000 So other people's cars got video of it?

02:08:06.000 Yeah, they're right here.

02:08:08.000 Where are they at, Jamie?

02:08:09.000 They're right on that video right there in the bottom right corner.

02:08:12.000 They're the two cars here, so they're in the same lane.

02:08:14.000 Oh my god.

02:08:15.000 Oh, so the guy literally got in the same lane with them.

02:08:18.000 Yeah, so there was something going on, but if he fired a gun first, you can't tell about it.

02:08:22.000 Oh, that guy got so close to him.

02:08:24.000 He really did some dangerous driving there, too.

02:08:30.000 And then he pulled over and said, you know, he called 911, according to this report, and said that I was shot at and I fired back.

02:08:37.000 So he thought he was shot at because the guy threw a water bottle at him.

02:08:40.000 Right.

02:08:41.000 That's what he says.

02:08:43.000 But then even, I think this is, yeah, this is the sheriff saying this.

02:08:48.000 The average person doesn't just say, let me prepare my firearm, let me back up my seat, let me get a little bit of space.

02:08:54.000 That's according to the sheriff.

02:08:55.000 Yeah, and that's the beauty of having the legal system.

02:08:57.000 They get to figure all that stuff out.

02:08:59.000 And I'm actually shocked that this footage exists.

02:09:04.000 I'm sure it will be dissected ad nauseum inside of his court proceeding.

02:09:10.000 Yeah.

02:09:11.000 So, Joe, don't do that.

02:09:13.000 Don't do that.

02:09:13.000 I swear to God, if I ever see a video of you doing that, you know who I would see?

02:09:16.000 I could see Callan doing that.

02:09:17.000 You think that's the way to do?

02:09:18.000 He would probably have blanks in his gun for some reason, though.

02:09:21.000 Callan is not a guy that would get into an escalated situation with his car.

02:09:26.000 It's true. 0.99

02:09:27.000 I actually have talked a lot of shit about him. 0.98

02:09:28.000 He's one of my favorite people. 0.80

02:09:29.000 He's awesome.

02:09:30.000 He's fantastic.

02:09:31.000 Well, now you're turning it around.

02:09:33.000 Now you're back.

02:09:34.000 No, he's just super dangerous with a gun.

02:09:36.000 Super dangerous.

02:09:37.000 I love him except for when he has a gun in his hand.

02:09:39.000 And he also has a penchant for wearing scarves for no reason.

02:09:43.000 You don't like scarves.

02:09:44.000 We saw that from the Charlie Sheen video.

02:09:46.000 That one just didn't make sense.

02:09:47.000 The Charlie Sheen scarf?

02:09:49.000 There's pictures of me wearing those overseas too.

02:09:51.000 But I was actually wrapping my face to cover the dust up.

02:09:54.000 Yeah, is that the reason for those things?

02:09:55.000 But isn't it like guys wear them on the range to keep brass from falling into their collar?

02:10:00.000 People will tell you they wear them on the range for that.

02:10:03.000 What they're doing is they're aiming for the tactical chic look.

02:10:06.000 That's more of an Instagram thing than a tactical thing.

02:10:09.000 The tactical look.

02:10:12.000 Cargo pants at all times.

02:10:14.000 Tactical fashion.

02:10:16.000 There is a very distinct look that a lot of people enjoy.

02:10:22.000 I was just at the SHOT Show in Vegas.

02:10:25.000 Oh boy.

02:10:26.000 Where you have seen yourself where that look is...

02:10:29.000 Actually, I think it's required to attend.

02:10:31.000 I have to take a piss, but I don't want to stop.

02:10:33.000 So let's take a piss real quick and we'll come back.

02:10:37.000 I drank a lot of coffee.

02:10:38.000 Be right back.

02:10:40.000 We up?

02:10:41.000 Okay, I'm back.

02:10:42.000 Thank you for indulging me. 0.53

02:10:44.000 So much urine. 0.94

02:10:46.000 Why you in pee? 0.96

02:10:48.000 So we were talking about people dressing the part. 0.99

02:10:52.000 Tactical assholes is the proper terminology for it. 0.98

02:10:55.000 Yes. 0.99

02:10:56.000 When did that start happening?

02:10:58.000 Oh, that's a good question.

02:11:01.000 It started happening much broader than military personnel on base.

02:11:06.000 I would say post 9-11.

02:11:09.000 Post 9-11?

02:11:10.000 Yeah.

02:11:10.000 Really?

02:11:11.000 Well, I'm sure it was happening to a small degree before then, but it kind of exploded afterwards, I would say.

02:11:17.000 Maybe with the creation of multicam, the pattern that many people will wear on everything from flip-flops to hats to backpacks to Speedos, shorts, shirts, fill in the blank.

02:11:28.000 And so once people started wearing it like as fashion, was camo worn as fashion before 9-11?

02:11:38.000 Must have been, right?

02:11:40.000 To a very limited degree, I believe.

02:11:42.000 And then it became, it got ramped up.

02:11:44.000 Correct.

02:11:45.000 That would be my suspicion.

02:11:46.000 I have absolutely no data to support this.

02:11:48.000 Right.

02:11:49.000 Well, there's some, some camo looks cool.

02:11:53.000 Some camo does look cool.

02:11:55.000 That tiger stripe camo?

02:11:56.000 That looks pretty dope.

02:11:58.000 Tiger stripe is one of my favorite patterns.

02:11:59.000 The old Mac V Sog Vietnam tiger stripe. 0.87

02:12:03.000 Have you seen the new Origin pattern?

02:12:06.000 Briefly, yes.

02:12:07.000 Jamie, go to Origin's page and see there.

02:12:11.000 Or you go to Cam Haynes' page.

02:12:13.000 He's got it up on his page.

02:12:15.000 This is the new Jocko's coming out with an all-American-made hunt line. 0.91

02:12:20.000 Tiger Stripe's the way to go.

02:12:21.000 Yeah, it looks Tiger Stripe-y.

02:12:24.000 It's pretty dope.

02:12:27.000 To me, I always liked the Under Armour Ridge Reaper pattern, and I always liked the Tiger Stripe pattern, like the old school.

02:12:38.000 Yeah.

02:12:38.000 And this is kind of like a combination of the two of those things.

02:12:42.000 Find it on Cam's page?

02:12:45.000 He's got pictures, but nothing specifically says.

02:12:47.000 Isn't there like a photo, a specific photo of the...

02:12:50.000 That's the shirt right there on the right.

02:12:52.000 That is the shirt right there on the right.

02:12:53.000 But I think if you scroll down, there's a...

02:12:55.000 That's a pair of pants.

02:12:57.000 That's the pants, yeah. 0.85

02:12:59.000 That's it.

02:12:59.000 That's pretty nice.

02:13:00.000 It's always tough to tell for me with Cam until you see it in person.

02:13:04.000 Right.

02:13:04.000 And get it in your hand and then also take it out into the environment.

02:13:07.000 Yeah.

02:13:07.000 That's it right there.

02:13:10.000 Yeah, I mean, like, what does a deer see?

02:13:12.000 What does an elk see?

02:13:13.000 Like, what makes a camo work and not work?

02:13:16.000 It's like, the idea is, like, you want to break up the outline, because they recognize movement, right?

02:13:20.000 That's my understanding, yes.

02:13:22.000 I mean, isn't it a little...

02:13:24.000 I mean, they're looking at the rods and cones in their eyes. 0.98

02:13:26.000 I mean, how the fuck do you ask an elk, like, hey, man, can you see this? 0.96

02:13:28.000 And they're like... 0.98

02:13:30.000 Some of it seems to work good.

02:13:32.000 The Sitka pattern works really good.

02:13:33.000 I've had the craziest animal encounters with the Sitka pattern.

02:13:39.000 Actually, I think I've only hunted in the Sitka pattern.

02:13:41.000 But it's been bizarre.

02:13:43.000 You can see an animal look at you, and then an animal look through you, and then just continue on with their day.

02:13:47.000 Yeah, like, what am I seeing?

02:13:50.000 Yeah.

02:13:50.000 But some animals, like, have you ever got busted by a white-tailed deer?

02:13:54.000 Yeah.

02:13:54.000 They seem a lot smarter.

02:13:57.000 I don't know if they're smarter or they're twitchier. 1.00

02:13:59.000 They're fucking tuned in. 0.99

02:14:00.000 I think they seem to know when hunting season's going on. 0.99

02:14:03.000 I think they all know when hunting season's going on, except for the axis deer and lanai.

02:14:07.000 Because it never stops. 1.00

02:14:08.000 And they're just like, fuck it, this is my life. 1.00

02:14:10.000 Right. 1.00

02:14:10.000 Well, they're the most switched on animals of all time, though. 1.00

02:14:14.000 But I don't know if that's tied to intelligence.

02:14:15.000 I think whitetails are just a little bit more switched on than, say...

02:14:19.000 Well, I don't know.

02:14:20.000 I don't know if muleys are less switched.

02:14:21.000 Their behavior is different.

02:14:23.000 And I've only been hunting for a few years, so please, everybody, take what I say as a grain of salt.

02:14:27.000 Well, I think elk are so big that they don't have to be as switched on as, say, a deer.

02:14:34.000 I think deer are so hunted by mountain lions and wolves and what have you, they have to be most switched on.

02:14:41.000 Like, have you encountered a mountain lion in the wild yet?

02:14:44.000 No, and I don't look forward to the day that I do.

02:14:47.000 I saw a giant one this past season.

02:14:50.000 Out of the Deseret, right?

02:14:51.000 Mm-hmm.

02:14:52.000 With my friend Colton.

02:14:54.000 We were in Colton's truck, and we saw this cat that had to be $1.70 plus.

02:14:59.000 It was huge.

02:15:01.000 And he was only about 30 yards away, so I got a real close look at him.

02:15:05.000 And we were in the truck, so I pulled my binos up. 0.99

02:15:07.000 I got right up on his ass. 0.99

02:15:09.000 Looking in his eyes, looking at the size of them. 1.00

02:15:11.000 Oh my god, he was huge.

02:15:13.000 My neighbor hunts cats and he sent me pictures of around our area, of them up in the trees.

02:15:19.000 Because even the years he doesn't have a tag, I believe you can run them so he can train his dogs.

02:15:22.000 Wow.

02:15:23.000 So they're around, but I think they probably see me likely long before I see them.

02:15:27.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

02:15:28.000 The problem is if they see you and they're hungry and they can't get a deer. 1.00

02:15:33.000 Shoot them in the face. 1.00

02:15:34.000 Did you see that one? 1.00

02:15:35.000 I did.

02:15:35.000 Did you see that video?

02:15:36.000 That video is crazy.

02:15:37.000 I don't know if I would have waited that long.

02:15:39.000 Yeah, I guess that guy was being a good dude. 0.99

02:15:42.000 That cat was close as fuck, though. 0.98

02:15:44.000 It was close, and I give it to that guy. 0.99

02:15:45.000 He was giving that cat every opportunity to make a decision that would have extended his life.

02:15:51.000 It looked like a juvenile cat, though.

02:15:53.000 Like a young cat that's just trying to figure out if that's a meal or not.

02:15:58.000 I'm going to remove that opportunity for him to make that decision.

02:16:01.000 That's just me though.

02:16:03.000 The one that we saw, man, was so big.

02:16:07.000 I felt so vulnerable looking at it, even though it was like 30 yards away and I was inside of a truck.

02:16:14.000 The feeling of complete physical inadequacy.

02:16:18.000 If that thing wanted to get you, what it could do to you.

02:16:22.000 You ever, like, have a thing with a house cat?

02:16:25.000 Like, a problem with a house cat?

02:16:27.000 Like, you're trying to corral them?

02:16:28.000 I had a feral cat.

02:16:30.000 I'm not a cat person.

02:16:31.000 I know you are.

02:16:32.000 I love animals, but I had a cat that I raised, and he was feral. 0.99

02:16:36.000 Like, my friend Lainey and her boyfriend had found these cats under an apartment building, and she was trying to give the kittens a home, and this fucking cat was wild as shit. 0.98

02:16:47.000 It was a little baby, and when I would pick it up, it would purr, but as soon as I put it down, it'd be like... 0.99

02:16:52.000 I think it was crazy.

02:16:53.000 Anyway, cut to cats piss in your house. 1.00

02:16:58.000 Like, and male cats you have to fix. 0.99

02:17:01.000 If you don't fix them, they spray on your walls. 1.00

02:17:03.000 And this motherfucker started spraying on my walls. 1.00

02:17:05.000 Spray piss? 1.00

02:17:06.000 Spray piss.

02:17:06.000 All right.

02:17:07.000 To mark the house.

02:17:08.000 To let everybody know this is their house.

02:17:10.000 And you can't get them to not do it.

02:17:11.000 If they are male, they are going to spray in your house. 1.00

02:17:14.000 Either they're going to be an outdoor cat, or they're going to spray in your fucking house. 0.99

02:17:18.000 So I had to figure out a way to get this cat to the vet, and he did not want to go into a cage. 0.99

02:17:28.000 That was not happening. 0.97

02:17:29.000 So he realized I was trying to get him in a cage, and he's like, like fighting with me and shit. 0.80

02:17:34.000 So I eventually had to corner him in a bathroom, and then I had to throw a bathrobe over him, and like a towel or a bathrobe, I forget what it was, but something big over him, scoop him up, In this and wrestle him into a hamper. 0.56

02:17:49.000 Then I got him in a hamper and I duct taped the hamper shut. 0.94

02:17:52.000 And then I took the hamper with this fucking cat, this feral cat, to this veterinarian who was a friend of mine. 0.98

02:17:59.000 And he fixed the cat and then we brought him back. 0.99

02:18:02.000 Was he better after you brought him back?

02:18:04.000 Yeah, he stopped.

02:18:04.000 He stopped pissing in the house like that.

02:18:06.000 How long did you have him for?

02:18:07.000 I had him until my dog killed him.

02:18:10.000 He got feisty with my dog, and my dog was like, that's a wrap, son. 1.00

02:18:15.000 Cats and dogs will do cats and dogs shit. 1.00

02:18:17.000 Well, it was like, he just fucked up. 1.00

02:18:19.000 He, you know, he... 0.99

02:18:22.000 You love animals more than me.

02:18:23.000 I love animals, but I don't like cats. 1.00

02:18:25.000 They're assholes. 0.99

02:18:26.000 I like cats, but I love dogs. 1.00

02:18:28.000 Dogs are my favorite.

02:18:29.000 Because dogs are just so interactive.

02:18:31.000 Like, you can talk to them, and they're into you communicating with them.

02:18:35.000 Like, my dog will understand.

02:18:36.000 I'm like, come on, bro, let's go outside.

02:18:38.000 He knows what that means.

02:18:39.000 He starts heading towards the door.

02:18:40.000 Marshall?

02:18:40.000 The happiest dog on the face of the planet?

02:18:42.000 He's the best.

02:18:43.000 Yeah.

02:18:43.000 But I can say things to him like, are you ready to eat or what?

02:18:46.000 They're like, fuck yeah, let's eat! 0.99

02:18:47.000 He gets language. 0.99

02:18:49.000 It doesn't have to be very clear and specific.

02:18:52.000 He knows what I'm saying.

02:18:53.000 I'm like, come on, man, let's go outside.

02:18:54.000 I can say that and he knows he's running towards the door.

02:18:58.000 He's tuned in to me.

02:19:00.000 You're never going to have that kind of relationship with a cat.

02:19:03.000 Have you ever considered the cats just ignoring you, because they think that you're beneath them?

02:19:06.000 That's possible.

02:19:07.000 That's totally possible. 1.00

02:19:08.000 They understand every goddamn thing that you're saying, and they're like, fuck you, human. 1.00

02:19:12.000 My point was, I had a hard time wrestling that little fucking cat into a hamper. 1.00

02:19:18.000 Oh yeah, add 150 pounds to that? 0.99

02:19:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:19:21.000 A lot more than 150, because that little fucking cat was like 8 pounds. 0.99

02:19:25.000 You know, that goddamn mountain lion was $1.70 if it was a pound. 1.00

02:19:30.000 It was so big, man. 1.00

02:19:32.000 His forearms were so big.

02:19:33.000 I remember looking at his forearms, because he was looking at us like this, and his forearms were like twice the size of mine.

02:19:41.000 Like two of my forearms back to each other with his massive paws and his pumpkin head.

02:19:47.000 I'm good with never seeing something like that, knowing that they're out there, but I don't think my life would be enriched.

02:19:52.000 How big was this one?

02:19:53.000 Oh, that's a bobcat.

02:19:54.000 They're not that big.

02:19:55.000 Have you seen this video?

02:19:56.000 Yeah, it tears the ducks up.

02:19:57.000 Or a duck.

02:19:58.000 I love this video because he's so clever. 1.00

02:20:00.000 Look at his little sneaky fuck. 0.99

02:20:02.000 Quality stock, too. 1.00

02:20:03.000 Oh, yeah, man.

02:20:04.000 Look how low he gets and everything.

02:20:06.000 Sneaking up in a sand trap.

02:20:08.000 That's a sand trap, right, Jamie?

02:20:09.000 Indeed.

02:20:11.000 Jamie's a golfer. 1.00

02:20:12.000 Look at his little fucker. 1.00

02:20:13.000 He's like, oh, wait a minute. 1.00

02:20:14.000 Make my mouth now! 1.00

02:20:15.000 Bam, I got one.

02:20:17.000 That's all he needs to get is one.

02:20:18.000 Yeah.

02:20:20.000 And he's got them.

02:20:21.000 Cats are savage.

02:20:22.000 Oh, nice.

02:20:23.000 Oh, man.

02:20:23.000 Yeah.

02:20:25.000 Imagine playing golf and watching that play out.

02:20:27.000 Well, that's just one of the many savage encounters that happens on a golf course. 0.99

02:20:31.000 The big ones in Florida, those goddamn alligators that walk across. 0.99

02:20:35.000 Yeah, or people that go try to retrieve their golf ball out of the water hazard. 0.99

02:20:38.000 That's crazy.

02:20:39.000 Yeah.

02:20:40.000 Yeah, let that go, son.

02:20:41.000 Jamie, what does a golf ball cost?

02:20:43.000 Maybe 45 cents?

02:20:45.000 The ones people are going after cost about five bucks, but even still.

02:20:48.000 Yeah, but what does a prosthetic hand cost?

02:20:50.000 Do they really go after a golf ball in the water?

02:20:53.000 Joe, there are people that scuba dive in there to collect them.

02:20:59.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:00.000 I've seen that.

02:21:00.000 Yeah.

02:21:01.000 They get free golf balls.

02:21:02.000 Explain that to me.

02:21:03.000 So if the ball goes in the water, you get a stroke back?

02:21:07.000 What does that even mean? 0.96

02:21:08.000 If you could play it, which you probably can't hit it through the fucking water, but there are times you can because it's not deep enough. 0.96

02:21:16.000 Hitting it in the water, it's a penalty. 0.99

02:21:18.000 So you get a stroke.

02:21:18.000 Yeah, that could fuck up a lot of things if you're playing for money.

02:21:23.000 And then people are also a little bit of drunk.

02:21:26.000 But wait a minute.

02:21:27.000 If it's in the water, you can't play it from the water.

02:21:29.000 You can, though.

02:21:29.000 Depends.

02:21:30.000 If it's in, say, an inch to two inches of water, I've seen people hack it out.

02:21:35.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:37.000 Everybody, when you're out there, you think you're Tiger Woods.

02:21:39.000 Or you're living out that dream.

02:21:40.000 And that's your one time this week to try it. 1.00

02:21:42.000 Fuck it. 1.00

02:21:43.000 I can do that, too. 1.00

02:21:44.000 You see it on TV and then you try.

02:21:46.000 All that happens is they get completely and utterly covered in water from their club striking it, and then the ball is still in there.

02:21:52.000 And I think they have to take another stroke because they attempted it, right, Jamie?

02:21:54.000 If you take any stroke purposefully, if you swing at it purposefully, it's a stroke.

02:21:59.000 Even if you miss it, which is a part of it.

02:22:00.000 You get a penalty stroke, so you don't have to go in the water, and you just take a penalty stroke. 0.98

02:22:06.000 Yeah, you could just leave it, skip it, fuck that ball, I'm not going after it, I'll drop a ball here, and that's a two-stroke penalty. 0.98

02:22:11.000 Like, that's where I'm getting, like, I don't like looking for a ball. 0.99

02:22:13.000 It takes forever.

02:22:14.000 It makes your game last twice as long because you can't hit straight. 1.00

02:22:17.000 I am so terrified of golf because I see people like you and particularly Tony Hinchcliffe who is 100% addicted to that stupid game. 1.00

02:22:25.000 I went down the rabbit hole with golf for a while too. 1.00

02:22:27.000 Did you?

02:22:27.000 I did.

02:22:28.000 Really?

02:22:29.000 And what I ended up doing was like waking up early and then going and playing nine holes or I'd go and I would chip and putt for an hour.

02:22:36.000 I've discovered about myself that I have two speeds when it comes to my hobbies.

02:22:40.000 I am either in or I am out.

02:22:41.000 That's why I like you.

02:22:44.000 You're like me.

02:22:45.000 With hunting, too, right? 1.00

02:22:47.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:22:48.000 All in. 1.00

02:22:48.000 You're all in with archery. 1.00

02:22:50.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:22:50.000 Not any good at it.

02:22:52.000 Yeah, that's why I literally can't talk to people that say they're bored.

02:22:58.000 I'm like, how can you be bored?

02:23:00.000 I wish I had 10 lives to run simultaneously.

02:23:03.000 Oh, I would add hobbies.

02:23:05.000 I would immediately add like a half dozen hobbies that I can think of off the top of my head.

02:23:08.000 Yeah.

02:23:08.000 But I need another hobby right now, like I need another hole in my head, which I don't need.

02:23:12.000 Yeah.

02:23:12.000 It's like, my buddy's like, let's go snowmobiling.

02:23:15.000 I'm like, oh god.

02:23:16.000 I already like snowboarding.

02:23:17.000 So I'm already doing that.

02:23:18.000 I don't need to add the motorized.

02:23:21.000 Or, you know, where I live, there's a huge lake.

02:23:23.000 It's like, let's go water skiing. 1.00

02:23:26.000 First off, fuck off anything to do with the water. 0.99

02:23:28.000 So I'm out on all that. 1.00

02:23:29.000 Really?

02:23:30.000 Oh god.

02:23:30.000 You're a SEAL. I'm not a SEAL. I was a SEAL. You was a SEAL. So once you stop being a SEAL, you're like, no more?

02:23:37.000 Most team guys that I know, Jocko being an exception because he loves to surf and he lives near the water, most guys are not going to voluntarily go into a substance they abused you with for decades.

02:23:46.000 Oh, I get it.

02:23:47.000 Yeah.

02:23:47.000 I get it.

02:23:48.000 Yeah.

02:23:49.000 All right.

02:23:49.000 You're like asking an accountant, hey man, do you want to go to your office and crunch numbers on Saturday?

02:23:52.000 No.

02:23:53.000 Not really.

02:23:53.000 Some people are into that, though.

02:23:54.000 Some people are.

02:23:55.000 I can appreciate the water.

02:23:57.000 I go into it sparingly and only when I want to.

02:24:02.000 I'm just not into sharks.

02:24:04.000 The fact that sharks exist, like if there's no sharks, I'd be so into scuba diving.

02:24:08.000 You could do it in lakes.

02:24:10.000 Yes, you can.

02:24:11.000 You could.

02:24:11.000 Yeah, you can.

02:24:12.000 I'm down for that.

02:24:13.000 Scuba diving is pretty cool.

02:24:15.000 I've never done like a beautiful trip where you're like in crystal clear like the aqua water.

02:24:22.000 Well, I have in Turks and Caicos, I did go snorkeling like on reefs and it was awesome.

02:24:27.000 Thousands and thousands of fish, man.

02:24:29.000 They were everywhere.

02:24:30.000 It was wild.

02:24:31.000 That was pretty cool. 0.99

02:24:32.000 And rays, a lot of rays and turtles and shit.

02:24:35.000 I flew out there one time when I was doing aviation stuff. 0.70

02:24:38.000 It's a pretty cool island.

02:24:39.000 Actually, twice I went out there.

02:24:40.000 Turks and Caicos.

02:24:42.000 Yeah.

02:24:43.000 The ocean is so bizarre that we have these two completely different things that exist simultaneously on this planet.

02:24:52.000 We have terrestrial life and we have aquatic life.

02:24:54.000 And they're so different.

02:24:56.000 One of them is breathing air and one of them is breathing water.

02:24:58.000 And they're just both life.

02:24:59.000 Aren't they still breathing air in the water?

02:25:01.000 Yeah, I guess so.

02:25:02.000 They're breathing water, and the gills are processing it and turning it into air.

02:25:06.000 But it's just this idea that we're living in this world where three-quarters of it is completely covered in water, and we don't go in there.

02:25:16.000 But what we do do is we take these little boats, and we bring them out onto that water, and they float around out there, and then they suck all the fish out in giant nets.

02:25:27.000 It's a fish apocalypse.

02:25:28.000 And sometimes people on those boats don't know how to swim, and I don't understand that.

02:25:32.000 That's crazy.

02:25:33.000 Yeah.

02:25:34.000 Imagine being on a fisher boat and you don't know how to swim.

02:25:37.000 No, I cannot.

02:25:38.000 Gangster you'd have to be to take that job. 1.00

02:25:40.000 You can't even fucking swim. 1.00

02:25:41.000 There's other terms you could use, like maybe... 1.00

02:25:43.000 Stupid as fuck. 1.00

02:25:44.000 Dumb. 1.00

02:25:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:25:47.000 Not thinking through the potential risk involved.

02:25:49.000 Well, remember that Deadliest Catch show?

02:25:52.000 Is that show still on?

02:25:53.000 Yeah.

02:25:54.000 I think there are versions of it still on.

02:25:55.000 It's going to live on forever on Discovery or wherever it plays though.

02:25:59.000 That's a crazy gig because they pay a lot of money. 0.98

02:26:02.000 They pay a lot of money and you have to pay a lot of money because you are risking your fucking life to try to get some crabs. 0.97

02:26:09.000 I don't think people realize how unforgiving the ocean is. 0.98

02:26:12.000 Especially where those crabs are. 1.00

02:26:14.000 Especially where those crabs are, even just in places where tides, rip currents, swells.

02:26:22.000 We did cold weather training up in Kodiak, Alaska.

02:26:26.000 That was actually one of the first trips that I had done when I checked into my first team.

02:26:29.000 And They do OTB or OTH, so over the beach where you come in in zodiacs and swim in and climb up.

02:26:36.000 Or OTH, you drive out over the horizon to practice navigation in a fucking dry suit in the Arctic Ocean, which I'm not actually sure it's in the Arctic Ocean, but it feels like it.

02:26:45.000 And then you come back in and then you swim across and then you climb up. 0.99

02:26:50.000 I mean, it'll punish you.

02:26:52.000 Absolutely just punish you.

02:26:54.000 Yeah.

02:26:54.000 I mean, it's freezing cold outside.

02:26:57.000 The water is just above...

02:26:59.000 I mean, it's probably 33 degrees because it's salty.

02:27:02.000 I believe it could be below freezing because of the salt content.

02:27:05.000 I don't think it ever...

02:27:06.000 Eh, maybe it gets right too about that.

02:27:08.000 Yeah, because there are places where salt water does freeze up, obviously, which is why you have the polar ice caps and why you have all those ice sheets.

02:27:18.000 I know it's cold enough to give you an ice cream headache and you immediately know whether or not the zippers are done correctly on your dry suit.

02:27:24.000 Ooh.

02:27:25.000 Hell yeah.

02:27:28.000 That's where Barclow taught.

02:27:30.000 He was up there I think for like 10 years. 0.65

02:27:31.000 He was running the Kodiak cold weather facility, which is phenomenal training, but it definitely gives you an appreciation for how little the environment gives a fuck about you or your survival.

02:27:43.000 I think you're usable without a dry suit or a survival suit.

02:27:45.000 I think your usable time of consciousness is under 20 minutes if you go into that water.

02:27:52.000 Jesus Christ.

02:27:53.000 And you might be conscious, but I tell you what, your functional ability is almost zero.

02:27:58.000 20 degrees Fahrenheit.

02:28:01.000 But there's also 60 knot winds, so that's like, I don't know what the windshield becomes.

02:28:04.000 Hey, if you're going to have one, you need to have the other.

02:28:06.000 Yeah, the windshield's got to be unbearable.

02:28:08.000 So the unpredictable weather off Alaska's coast is the greatest danger for the crab fisherman's face.

02:28:13.000 The most lucrative crab seasons occur in the fall and winter when the storms are especially fierce and the cold is especially brutal.

02:28:21.000 Temperatures below 20 degrees Fahrenheit, minus 7 Celsius... 0.99

02:28:39.000 Holy shit! 0.99

02:28:41.000 45 tons of weight of ice. 1.00

02:28:44.000 That's insane.

02:28:45.000 I mean, $100,000 is a good ton of money.

02:28:49.000 But they're saying in a good year, deckhands can make $100,000 for just a couple of months' work.

02:28:54.000 In a good year. 1.00

02:28:55.000 What about a shit year? 1.00

02:28:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:28:57.000 I mean, $100,000 is a good amount of money.

02:28:58.000 Yeah.

02:28:59.000 I'm not getting on that boat for $100,000.

02:29:00.000 No.

02:29:01.000 If given the choice between getting on that boat or paying somebody $100,000 not to, I would pay the money.

02:29:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:29:06.000 I'd take out a loan and be like, I'm not getting on that fucking boat. 0.98

02:29:08.000 It's not a good way to live, but it's a good way probably when it's over. 0.99

02:29:12.000 You probably feel great when it's done.

02:29:14.000 It gives you an appreciation.

02:29:16.000 Go up there and be seasonal.

02:29:17.000 I went with Rinella.

02:29:19.000 We went to Prince of Wales.

02:29:22.000 Me and Callan, we went on a blacktail hunt up there, and it rained every day.

02:29:26.000 All day, every day.

02:29:27.000 Oh, I saw this episode.

02:29:28.000 You guys were- Drenched. 0.83

02:29:29.000 What I would describe as miserable. 0.84

02:29:31.000 It wasn't the most fun, but one thing I will tell you is that when it will it would have been more fun if we actually got a deer But what was really amazing was when we came back and we came back to California the Sun Just the everyday normal son of LA hitting my face felt fucking amazing It felt so good.

02:29:51.000 I remember calling Ranella by a dude. 0.54

02:29:52.000 I have never been happier I'm the fucking happiest I've ever been and it's crazy. 0.99

02:29:57.000 It's like I don't think this happiness is available Unless you're miserable. 0.97

02:30:02.000 I think you have to get miserable for a week, and then when it's over, then you really appreciate that sun.

02:30:08.000 Because I was just used to the sun.

02:30:10.000 I completely took it for granted.

02:30:12.000 It was out there every day.

02:30:13.000 I'd be in that sun every day, and it'd be like it was nothing.

02:30:16.000 But because of that, I was like, oh my god, this sun is incredible.

02:30:22.000 The way it felt on my face, like I was so filled with joy and happy.

02:30:26.000 It goes right back to what we were talking about when we first started.

02:30:29.000 If you avoid adversity, you have to appreciate the light, you have to have some darkness.

02:30:34.000 You have to.

02:30:36.000 You don't get those real moments of success and happiness and joy without struggle.

02:30:43.000 You have to go through something.

02:30:45.000 These people that want to just live on the couch.

02:30:47.000 There's no living on the couch.

02:30:49.000 There's no like, oh, the golden years.

02:30:51.000 I want to hold hands and walk off into the sunset.

02:30:53.000 Like, hey man, that's not a life.

02:30:56.000 Jordan Peterson talked about that once in my podcast.

02:30:58.000 He's like, what do you want out of your life?

02:31:00.000 Oh, I want to drink margaritas on the beach.

02:31:02.000 He goes, okay, for how long?

02:31:04.000 How long can you drink margaritas on the beach?

02:31:07.000 And it's like, it's true.

02:31:08.000 It's like, how long can you?

02:31:09.000 Like an hour?

02:31:10.000 A day?

02:31:11.000 Two days?

02:31:12.000 Three days? 1.00

02:31:13.000 I could do that shit for a few years. 1.00

02:31:16.000 You think? 1.00

02:31:17.000 I'm thinking through it.

02:31:18.000 I could force it.

02:31:19.000 You're gonna get bored.

02:31:20.000 You're gonna get bored.

02:31:21.000 For sure.

02:31:22.000 You're gonna want to do something.

02:31:23.000 And that's what I think people have these distorted ideas of what they want out of their life.

02:31:29.000 And it's based on one day finding relaxation and comfort.

02:31:34.000 And this is the other thing they think, like, one day you're going to make it.

02:31:37.000 And when you make it, then all your troubles will go away.

02:31:40.000 That's not real.

02:31:42.000 It's a fairy tale.

02:31:43.000 Yeah.

02:31:43.000 If that is, you're wasting your time.

02:31:46.000 You should have some troubles.

02:31:47.000 I mean, I enjoy relaxing.

02:31:50.000 Sure.

02:32:06.000 Then the day where that's just your life.

02:32:08.000 That's not the way I want to live my life.

02:32:10.000 Nor do I. I think people, it's just an ideal, it's a thing in their head, it's a dream.

02:32:18.000 It's not something they've really sat down and analyzed.

02:32:22.000 Like, what's going to be best for the future?

02:32:23.000 What's going to serve me the most?

02:32:26.000 What's going to make me feel the best?

02:32:27.000 Do you think a lot of people actually have those conversations with themselves?

02:32:30.000 No, and that's part of the problem.

02:32:32.000 They don't look at their life and go, what do I really want?

02:32:35.000 They look in terms of like, oh, I want that car.

02:32:38.000 Oh, I want to live in that house.

02:32:39.000 They have these ideas in their head that if they had these objects and these things and at least they could show on paper that they're successful, it'll make them feel good. 0.97

02:32:49.000 And I think kids are really fucked up today looking at Instagram.

02:32:53.000 Instagram and TikTok and social media where they're seeing these people live these baller lifestyles and they look at that and that's the goal. 0.97

02:33:00.000 The ultimate goal is to have a Bugatti.

02:33:01.000 But are they actually living that baller lifestyle too?

02:33:04.000 You know this as well as I do.

02:33:05.000 What shows up on Instagram may not be your real life.

02:33:07.000 What?

02:33:08.000 Hold on. 1.00

02:33:09.000 What the fuck are you saying? 1.00

02:33:11.000 It's a theory I'm working on. 0.99

02:33:12.000 It's not proven yet.

02:33:13.000 You don't think people expose themselves with warts and all on Instagram or social media?

02:33:20.000 No, I do not.

02:33:22.000 I try very hard to not ball on Instagram.

02:33:25.000 I'm not much of a baller.

02:33:28.000 I think you'd actually do a really good job of it. 0.99

02:33:30.000 But kids, I don't think, have the filter to realize the level of bullshit that's occurring. 0.99

02:33:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:33:34.000 And they get to like an instant gratification place. 0.99

02:33:38.000 Your kid's a little bit younger than mine.

02:33:40.000 How do you manage their social media use?

02:33:41.000 They have a limited amount of time.

02:33:43.000 Do they know the code to give them more? 1.00

02:33:46.000 The little fuckers. 1.00

02:33:47.000 You know what one of the little fuckers did? 1.00

02:33:48.000 One of the little fuckers gave their phone to the wife with screen recording. 1.00

02:33:55.000 Little fucker. 1.00

02:33:56.000 I already like this. 1.00

02:33:57.000 This child is a problem solver.

02:33:59.000 Oh my god, this child is smart.

02:34:01.000 Well, they're all smart, but this one is devious.

02:34:07.000 Filmed her putting the code in. 1.00

02:34:08.000 While the wife is putting the code in, the little fucker has the video. 1.00

02:34:13.000 And so then got it almost immediately, and the wife had to figure it out. 1.00

02:34:16.000 Like, what is going on here?

02:34:18.000 And then she figured out that she gave her the phone. 0.99

02:34:23.000 It's kind of fucking genius, man. 0.98

02:34:25.000 I kind of appreciate it. 0.99

02:34:26.000 I was going to say I deeply respect your daughter that did that.

02:34:29.000 It's pretty badass.

02:34:31.000 Out of all the ways that they could have tried to figure that out, like looking over your shoulder, being sneaky, just hand you the device and pretend like nothing's going on.

02:34:39.000 Oh, hey mom.

02:34:40.000 Yeah.

02:34:41.000 Put a limit on my time.

02:34:42.000 No problem, Mom.

02:34:44.000 You've talked about the China curfew thing with kids playing a game.

02:34:48.000 Yes.

02:34:49.000 This is an issue.

02:34:50.000 Oh, is it?

02:34:51.000 They use their parents or someone else in their family to face scan their device so then they can use their device.

02:34:57.000 I don't know exactly how they're doing it.

02:34:58.000 Sweeping new facial scans will catch Chinese kids playing past curfew. 1.00

02:35:02.000 Oh, whoa.

02:35:03.000 This is even from July, isn't it?

02:35:04.000 Oh, so that means they're scanning kids without their knowledge, like, randomly?

02:35:08.000 Well, that's to make sure they're not playing, but then the kids know that's happening.

02:35:11.000 It's to make sure they're not playing.

02:35:13.000 But that kind of crazy government overreach is so bizarre.

02:35:16.000 Did you hear about the app they're giving people in Beijing for the Olympics? 0.99

02:35:20.000 Yeah, they're giving them this app to use during the Olympics, but this app is listening to every fucking thing you say, everything you do. 0.99

02:35:28.000 It's like total spyware. 0.97

02:35:30.000 Do you think that the US government is doing that to us as well?

02:35:33.000 No chance!

02:35:34.000 Our government is amazing!

02:35:37.000 And it's run by President Joe Biden, who's the most honorable and honest man who's ever lived.

02:35:43.000 That's why he's the president.

02:35:45.000 Because he's the best we have, Andy.

02:35:47.000 Is he, though?

02:35:48.000 Yes!

02:35:49.000 Are the two candidates that we got to choose from the best that our country has to offer?

02:35:53.000 I can't believe we're having this conversation.

02:35:55.000 Yeah.

02:35:55.000 You've had it many times, so I can avoid it.

02:35:58.000 Yes.

02:35:59.000 Yeah, of course our government is doing that.

02:36:00.000 Maybe they're not as...

02:36:01.000 I don't know.

02:36:03.000 Maybe they're better at hiding.

02:36:04.000 I often worry, though, that people think that our government is maybe more altruistic than others.

02:36:12.000 China might be scanning faces.

02:36:14.000 Again, you go back to the Patriot Act and the loss of privacy.

02:36:18.000 Are they maybe monitoring it real time?

02:36:21.000 I'm not sure.

02:36:21.000 I think our real problem is if people start saying the only way we can compete with China is if we have the same sort of restrictions on our citizens that China has.

02:36:31.000 If we have the same ability to monitor our citizens.

02:36:33.000 If we have the same ability to implement laws the way China does. 0.98

02:36:37.000 That could be a real problem.

02:36:39.000 Because one of the things that China's done that's so brilliant.

02:36:41.000 I'm not saying that we should do it, but it is brilliant.

02:36:43.000 How they've got this connection between their business and their government that's inescapable.

02:36:49.000 You cannot make these big corporate decisions, whether you're Huawei or one of these big tech companies. 0.95

02:36:54.000 They work, you know, fucking hand in glove with the government.

02:36:59.000 And because of that, they make these decisions not based on short-term interest of the corporation in terms of, like, stakeholders and, you know, what the shareholders want and profits for the quarter. 0.97

02:37:13.000 They're looking at it in this long-term commitment, like, what's going to be best for the party?

02:37:18.000 Economically, I mean, I guess I can understand that I worry a lot about quality of life.

02:37:22.000 Oh, listen, no doubt about it.

02:37:24.000 That's the number one problem.

02:37:25.000 The quality of life is terrible.

02:37:27.000 Have you ever been?

02:37:28.000 No.

02:37:29.000 I've been to Taiwan, but not for a long period of time.

02:37:33.000 I've been there during a stopover.

02:37:35.000 I've never been there for any long period of time.

02:37:38.000 I was there for about eight days.

02:37:39.000 It was interesting.

02:37:40.000 I went and visited.

02:37:41.000 Again, when I was working for CrossFit, I was...

02:37:44.000 Kind of the go-between between CrossFit and Reebok.

02:37:46.000 So I went to go see where they made the shoes down in Fuzhou, China.

02:37:50.000 And it's pretty wild.

02:37:52.000 I mean, it's wild.

02:37:53.000 It's different from the construction, the density, air quality, perceived air quality.

02:38:00.000 Obviously, I didn't have a sensor out there, but perceived water quality, working conditions, working hours.

02:38:05.000 It's...

02:38:06.000 I think there's a cost to having the companies and the government tied like that.

02:38:12.000 There's no doubt.

02:38:13.000 Yeah, I don't recommend that at all for the United States.

02:38:14.000 It's terrible in terms of creativity and innovation and the ability to have a dream and an idea and implement it and then become successful.

02:38:23.000 One of the things that we love about America is entrepreneurial spirit.

02:38:27.000 We love the fact that someone can...

02:38:30.000 Like Origin, we're talking about Jocko's company or...

02:38:32.000 Or anything else like someone can create a company and make something and put it together and you know, that's one of the things that's Beautiful about freedom is you have the ability to take a chance to do something that you you have a dream You can put it together and make it happen That's we all love that and when you take that away you take away people's ability to take a chance and take people's Take away people's ability to do what they want and instead you have to do what the government wants and As

02:39:03.000 soon as you do that, you close the door on so much innovation.

02:39:08.000 You close the door on so many opportunities that you would have never predicted, right?

02:39:13.000 Because who knows how many ideas that have been implemented here because people have this wild spirit of like being creative and taking chances.

02:39:25.000 It would have never happened if the same person grew up under a regime like the CCP. I do worry though that people are becoming resistant to taking chances and being risky like that or getting off of the couch if you want to describe it that way.

02:39:41.000 So they'll value that less and the incremental – again, you want to put the tinfoil hat on. 0.97

02:39:46.000 The incremental removing of those opportunities or ability to make those decisions, they won't even realize what is lost because they don't value it because they never actually took a fucking chance. 0.98

02:39:55.000 Right. 0.97

02:39:56.000 There's going to be people like that, for sure.

02:39:59.000 But people like that, that don't take chances, they open up room for people that do take chances.

02:40:06.000 I don't think many people take chances.

02:40:08.000 I think there's enough.

02:40:11.000 I think there's enough, but I think they're in the minority.

02:40:13.000 I think talking about it like this and having conversations with people who do take chances makes taking chances exciting to the people that are listening.

02:40:22.000 I think part of the problem is they don't have enough to model.

02:40:25.000 There's not enough people out there that are taking chances where someone could model that and go, that's what I want to do.

02:40:31.000 That's what I want to be.

02:40:33.000 Because that's who you're modeling.

02:40:35.000 If you grew up in a family where no one takes any chances and everybody just takes the safest, easiest job they can have with the least amount of risk and the most amount of security, and they live this dull, gray life, like, blah,

02:40:51.000 forever.

02:40:53.000 You model that if that's what you're around and or you rebel and you rebel and you take a wild chance.

02:40:59.000 And in a lot of families, if you try to take a chance, your parents will be pissed at you.

02:41:04.000 I mean, you know, there's so many people out there that are hindered.

02:41:11.000 And then they're saddled down by the problem of their own family having expectations on them.

02:41:17.000 You're supposed to be a lawyer.

02:41:19.000 You're supposed to be a this. 0.52

02:41:21.000 There's a lot of people like that out there.

02:41:23.000 The model that they copy is a model of safety where no one's doing anything risky.

02:41:31.000 Freedom is an amazing thing. 0.92

02:41:33.000 I think it's the most valuable thing that this country may have to offer, but it doesn't mean a fucking thing if you don't take advantage of it. 0.93

02:41:39.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:41:40.000 My friend Fahim Anwar, he's a fucking really hilarious stand-up comic, and he had to kind of lie to his parents. 0.54

02:41:46.000 He's an engineer and a brilliant guy, but wanted to be a comic. 0.92

02:41:51.000 And his whole thing was trying to get his parents to accept the fact that he's a comic.

02:42:01.000 It took a while.

02:42:03.000 That's rough.

02:42:04.000 He's super legit, though.

02:42:05.000 If they see him, it's hard to deny. 0.98

02:42:08.000 Once you see him do stand-up, you're like, that dude's funny as fuck. 0.98

02:42:12.000 It's one thing I try to guard against with my kids. 0.80

02:42:14.000 I don't know if you're the same way.

02:42:15.000 My biggest fear, actually, was any of my kids wanting to follow the path that I did.

02:42:19.000 None of them have expressed that.

02:42:21.000 And I would have supported it had they chose to.

02:42:25.000 I'm sure it wasn't my parents.

02:42:27.000 They were like, yay!

02:42:28.000 And he wants to join the Navy.

02:42:29.000 But they also didn't stop me They signed the paperwork when I was 17, did all that.

02:42:35.000 But for my kids, to try not to limit them in any way and just to provide space to make choices, obviously boundaried, right?

02:42:44.000 I'm not going to let them take some wild haphazard risk and not be there as a safety net.

02:42:48.000 But the last thing that I want to do is feel like I'm trying to fit them into that ashtray.

02:42:54.000 Like, this is what I did, so you have to do that.

02:42:56.000 I want them to have the exact opposite experience of that.

02:42:59.000 Well, that's often what happens with people, right?

02:43:02.000 They take great chances and risks in their life, and they do these scary, dangerous things for a living, and the last thing they want is their kids to do that.

02:43:10.000 Like, a lot of fighters never want their kids to become fighters.

02:43:13.000 I can see that.

02:43:14.000 Yeah.

02:43:14.000 I can see that for sure.

02:43:15.000 Yeah, I don't want my kids to follow my path in the military.

02:43:19.000 It's actually, I look back at my military career, and I wish I could say that we were successful.

02:43:26.000 I think there'll be...

02:43:28.000 Afghanistan for sure. 0.51

02:43:29.000 Maybe Iraq will be judged. 0.99

02:43:32.000 Probably as failures.

02:43:34.000 And my biggest concern is that other kids, my kids' age, will have to have dust on their boots from those countries.

02:43:41.000 It's a tough one.

02:43:42.000 You think that's what's going to happen again?

02:43:43.000 I think so.

02:43:44.000 At some point in time.

02:43:45.000 It may not be there, but I think the same reasons.

02:43:50.000 I think, again, my personal opinion, I don't speak for the military.

02:43:54.000 I don't speak for anybody else. 0.99

02:43:55.000 I'm largely renowned as an idiot, so you don't have to listen to anything that I have to say. 0.99

02:43:59.000 But I think the reasoning for going into Afghanistan, Looking in the rearview mirror was far more legitimate than the reasoning to go into Iraq. 0.99

02:44:09.000 I don't know if we solved any problems in either of those countries, especially with how we left Afghanistan and kind of more – that's more how we're going to be viewed by the rest of the world and potential future partner forces and stuff like that.

02:44:20.000 But I don't think we solved anything.

02:44:23.000 Trevor Burrus That's very unfortunate and many people share your concern and your thoughts.

02:44:28.000 It's not – it doesn't seem – in the way we pulled out of it too, right?

02:44:34.000 Well, oh God, I mean, we could go on forever on this one.

02:44:39.000 There's a lot of different issues.

02:44:41.000 One, people want to blame it all on Biden, which...

02:44:45.000 Is fair to a degree, but also unfair to a larger degree.

02:44:49.000 He was sitting in the seat at the time the decisions were made, so he has to own those and the consequences that come from him.

02:44:54.000 But the decision to withdraw or draw down from Afghanistan started probably in the Obama administration into the Trump administration, and he inherited that.

02:45:02.000 So it's not as if his administration was solely responsible for the planning of that. 0.88

02:45:06.000 Again, he was in the seat, and when you're in the seat and shit starts going south, Change the fucking plan to match the reality on the ground as opposed to what you think the pie in the sky is going to be because your enemy gets a vote in any plan or even in the business world, right? 0.95

02:45:20.000 Your competition gets a vote. 0.99

02:45:21.000 You got to be able to lateral to work your way through that.

02:45:26.000 There's a lot of different ways that I think it could have gone down better.

02:45:28.000 They could have done it out of Bagram, which put some more dead space.

02:45:31.000 They could have done it in a more phased drawdown.

02:45:34.000 They could have listened to the military leadership that was saying, hey, maybe we keep a very small footprint.

02:45:38.000 A lot of different ways.

02:45:40.000 What I will say is this.

02:45:42.000 In my experience with the people that I served with, not a single person that I served with or that I know that served over there is surprised by what happened.

02:45:51.000 And by that, I mean the Taliban taking over.

02:45:53.000 Many are surprised to include myself at the pace with which it happened.

02:45:57.000 But if you served in that country and you served alongside of that partner force, if you tell me that you were surprised by what happened I would say that you might have a loose relationship with the truth because the writing was on the wall for a very long period of time and I think we stayed far too long.

02:46:16.000 Were you surprised that they gave up all the equipment?

02:46:21.000 I don't know if that was a mechanism of this is the date that we have to be out of here and everybody ignored that date until it was too late.

02:46:30.000 The United States, the military is great at being – at least in the modern era, it's great at being surgical.

02:46:35.000 We went to Afghanistan to try to root out the people that – Planned and executed 9-11. 0.93

02:46:40.000 And we did so within, I'll call it at a very long stretch, 24 months.

02:46:45.000 You know, we were there for 20 years.

02:46:47.000 I would say the longer that we were there, the more equipment and material that goes with that.

02:46:51.000 We started building outstations and every out, you know what I mean? 0.96

02:46:54.000 So like the more pieces that you put on the board, it doesn't surprise me that that volume of stuff Was left and to me that's more it just shows you know Either they weren't really paying attention that we needed to draw down or there was so much stuff stuff there that they didn't know what to do with it But the Taliban is the best Armed and equipped that they've ever been in the history of the Taliban for sure which is so fucked Yeah, 0.94

02:47:16.000 it's so fucked to watch them drive down the street in the Humvees and flying the Blackhawks like what? 0.87

02:47:22.000 Yeah Well, it may not be them flying the Blackhawks. 0.96

02:47:25.000 Let's just say politely that there are other countries, entities, and organizations that don't really favor the United States and would do everything they could to be on the axis of whatever we're doing that will send mobile training teams over there that could fly on those things, you know, the day that we left them.

02:47:41.000 Oh, great.

02:47:43.000 Fun.

02:47:44.000 Guys getting out of the military, there's not a lot of options for things to do that Are as satisfying or as rewarding or as engaging.

02:48:03.000 There's a lot of guys, when they come out, they have a hard time finding out what's their identity.

02:48:10.000 What's the thing that they can do? 0.99

02:48:12.000 One of the things that you did, other than the crazy shit, like the flying squirrel suit. 0.99

02:48:17.000 That's not how I describe it, but go ahead. 0.99

02:48:19.000 It's a flying squirrel suit. 0.99

02:48:20.000 No, the crazy shit part. 1.00

02:48:21.000 It's very normal behavior. 0.99

02:48:23.000 Yeah, it's not normal to break the world record in a flying squirrel suit. 0.96

02:48:27.000 That's ridiculous.

02:48:28.000 But you've transitioned into podcasting very successfully.

02:48:33.000 What is that like for you?

02:48:35.000 Is it surprising that that has become a career now?

02:48:40.000 That aspect of it, for sure.

02:48:44.000 I think I met you about five years ago.

02:48:47.000 And I had been on...

02:48:49.000 I did a podcast with Tate, which is how I eventually met you.

02:48:54.000 He introduced me to Brian.

02:48:55.000 Shout out to Tate Fletcher.

02:48:56.000 My man.

02:48:56.000 He's an amazing human being.

02:48:57.000 Love him.

02:48:58.000 So I did a CrossFit-centric podcast.

02:49:01.000 First off, I got invited to go to do a podcast. 0.99

02:49:03.000 I'm like, what the fuck is this? 0.91

02:49:04.000 I'm like, fine, I'll go do it. 0.98

02:49:06.000 He introduces me to Callan and Chop, and I did The Fighter and the Kid.

02:49:08.000 And then I met you.

02:49:10.000 So the third podcast I had ever been on, mind you, I had not listened to a podcast.

02:49:14.000 The first time that you and I sat down, I may have changed some of my answers.

02:49:19.000 I had no understanding of the size of your audience or what was going to come out of my mouth.

02:49:23.000 I needed to probably refine the thought expression of certain things.

02:49:29.000 It was your suggestion to start a podcast.

02:49:33.000 And my theory, even in the military or just growing up, is maybe listen to the person in the room who has the most experience or who is the most successful.

02:49:41.000 It doesn't mean they're going to be 100% right, but if somebody is saying, hey, I've done this for a long time and maybe you should check it out, it'd be worth considering.

02:49:49.000 So I had absolutely no idea what it was going to be, what I was going to talk about, how I was going to do it, but I took your advice and I started.

02:49:57.000 Never thought for a second that it was going to be a profession or an occupation of any kind.

02:50:01.000 And I love it.

02:50:04.000 I love sitting down and exploring.

02:50:07.000 First off, I truly believe that the thing like I'm not excited by the stuff that I do, but I'm fascinated by the stuff that other people do.

02:50:14.000 Like, how did you get to that area?

02:50:16.000 How were you able to do that?

02:50:17.000 Like, how did you live your life or like some of the stories of adversity?

02:50:21.000 Oh, my God.

02:50:23.000 Like, I have nothing to complain about.

02:50:25.000 Ever.

02:50:26.000 Ever. 0.98

02:50:27.000 You know, a buddy of mine is like telling stories about drug-addicted parents and he's like running through the fucking desert barefoot to try to get to his grandparents' house just to feel happy or safe. 0.98

02:50:37.000 I'm like, oh my god. 0.97

02:50:39.000 Like, calling my parents like, thank you very much for who you are.

02:50:42.000 Like, I'm sorry for anything that I ever did. 0.97

02:50:44.000 I am an unworthy piece of shit of the love that you have provided.

02:50:47.000 But it's been amazing and the financial aspect of it came way later on but it is by far the favorite thing that I do because I get to sit down and talk to people about what they are passionate about and it informs my opinion on things and it changes my mind on stuff and I just think it's awesome to be able to sit there and have an exchange and have a dialogue. 0.99

02:51:08.000 It's more than I ever thought it could be.

02:51:10.000 It's an unexpected education for sure, right?

02:51:12.000 Yeah.

02:51:12.000 It really is.

02:51:13.000 It's like it gives you an education on things in a way that you're hard-pressed to find anywhere else. 0.95

02:51:20.000 I mean, I think back on my podcast and obviously a lot of them are filled with nonsense and just smoking pot and getting drunk and talking shit, but there's been more than a thousand of them that aren't like that.

02:51:31.000 So it's like a thousand times I sat down with an expert for hours and got to pick their brain and ask them questions about whatever their field was and expand my knowledge Just understanding of different things in life, 0.95

02:51:52.000 substantially.

02:51:54.000 Like, I am such a different person than I was 10 years ago, say.

02:51:58.000 Just from that.

02:52:00.000 It constantly reminds me of how little I know, is maybe an easy way to put it.

02:52:05.000 Because there's maybe...

02:52:11.000 I think?

02:52:21.000 On every other topic on the face of the planet, I'm the amateur in the room.

02:52:25.000 I enjoy being in that place where you kind of get knocked back on your heels.

02:52:30.000 You're like, oh, I thought I knew what I was talking about. 1.00

02:52:33.000 I don't know shit. 0.99

02:52:34.000 So you know what I'm going to do? 0.98

02:52:35.000 I'm going to use my facial features in the ratio that I have.

02:52:38.000 Two eyes, two ears, and one mouth.

02:52:39.000 And we're going to use them like that.

02:52:40.000 We're going to watch.

02:52:41.000 We're going to listen and then talk last.

02:52:44.000 It's been a really interesting evolution.

02:52:46.000 And a lot of it was, or all of it, was due to your suggestion.

02:52:50.000 So I have you to thank for that.

02:52:51.000 I wonder how many people have gotten to start a podcast.

02:52:54.000 About 3.5 million would be my guess.

02:52:56.000 I think there's 3 million podcasts out there now.

02:52:59.000 But I mean, I wonder how many people have talked into doing podcasts.

02:53:02.000 It's been a lot.

02:53:03.000 Jocko is another one.

02:53:04.000 Yeah.

02:53:05.000 I think Tim Ferriss had a play in that as well.

02:53:08.000 Because I had heard Jocko on Tim Ferriss's first.

02:53:10.000 That's true.

02:53:10.000 He did it before he did yours.

02:53:12.000 And then I got in my mind.

02:53:13.000 But it was one of the first things I said to him.

02:53:15.000 I was like, dude, you have to do a podcast.

02:53:17.000 Because, you know, he's got such an intense voice.

02:53:21.000 Does he?

02:53:22.000 And the way he talks about things, it's like, Jesus Christ, Jocko.

02:53:27.000 But...

02:53:29.000 I just firmly believe it's one of the best self-starter businesses.

02:53:33.000 It's almost like a business in a box.

02:53:35.000 I wouldn't look at it as a business when you start, though.

02:53:37.000 No.

02:53:37.000 That's the one piece of advice I would give people.

02:53:39.000 Oh, yeah.

02:53:40.000 Because I actually know, get hit from people like, hey, man.

02:53:43.000 How do you make money?

02:53:45.000 They do ask that one.

02:53:47.000 Or they'll say, how do I become the new Joe Rogan?

02:53:49.000 And that just gets swiped into the garbage can.

02:53:51.000 Boy!

02:53:52.000 Good luck, sir.

02:53:53.000 I don't even know how I did it.

02:53:54.000 Yeah.

02:53:55.000 I think that's why you were able to do it.

02:53:57.000 I mean, I can't speak for you, but I would imagine that you tried to stay true to who you were and explored things that were interesting for you.

02:54:04.000 And here you are.

02:54:05.000 I'm stunned that it worked.

02:54:06.000 I'm stunned that it still works.

02:54:08.000 I'm, like, constantly amazed.

02:54:13.000 It is not what, like you're saying, I would push back and I would say that There aren't limited options for people getting out of the military.

02:54:20.000 It's easy for people getting out of the military to say that there are limited options.

02:54:26.000 But I don't care what you do in the military.

02:54:28.000 You are going to leave with skill sets and an understanding of things like discipline, teamwork, integrity, communication, to name just a few of the many usable tools that you can put into your virtual tool belt.

02:54:44.000 Do they give you guidance in terms of having the ability to take those tools and utilize them outside of the military?

02:54:52.000 That's the polite way to say this.

02:54:55.000 No.

02:54:56.000 So that's the problem in some ways.

02:54:58.000 Well, the military has – basic training is about eight weeks long.

02:55:02.000 But on average, it is in the Navy at least unless they've changed it.

02:55:05.000 I think that the Marine Corps is the longest.

02:55:07.000 When I got out of the military, there was a one-week course called TAPS, the Transition Assistance Program, and I'm not sure what the S stands for.

02:55:15.000 And it was about how to submit for your VA ratings.

02:55:17.000 It's about the educational opportunities.

02:55:20.000 None of the classes are about what you're asking.

02:55:22.000 So they spend a lot of energy, which they have to because we have a very, in my opinion at least, me-based society and they break you of that and put you into a we-based ecosystem.

02:55:33.000 But on the way out, For the people who are smart, they'll give themselves about 12 months and they'll really focus on the next horizon.

02:55:42.000 But I know people who don't even start thinking about it until they're a week from getting out and they go to the TAPS program.

02:55:48.000 But again, I mean, whose fault is that?

02:55:50.000 You have to take some ownership of the course that your life is going to take.

02:55:56.000 Yes, it can be jarring to lose a sense of camaraderie or community.

02:56:01.000 And yes, you can feel isolated because you're no longer with your tribe and the job is totally different. 0.97

02:56:07.000 And in the same breath, like fucking get over it. 0.98

02:56:10.000 You need to move on. 0.99

02:56:11.000 You need to do something else.

02:56:12.000 And for me, one of the things that drives me the most is I do not want to be defined by what I did a lifetime ago.

02:56:17.000 I hate it. 0.99

02:56:18.000 And I'll always have the fuck Trident hanging over my head and I couldn't be more proud that I was in that community. 0.99

02:56:24.000 But at the end of the day, I'd rather that just be a footnote instead of the title across the top. 0.96

02:56:29.000 And I think people would be better off if they took that philosophy and approach, in my opinion, which again is limited to only that.

02:56:36.000 But it's not an easy path.

02:56:37.000 It might take them some time.

02:56:39.000 They might feel lost a little bit.

02:56:42.000 That's okay.

02:56:43.000 That's often the case with anybody when they're leaving one career and going into another career.

02:56:47.000 But it seems like with military, it's so demanding, especially like in your line of work, it's so demanding, so all-encompassing, that sometimes it's very difficult when they get out to try to find a new, almost like a new identity.

02:57:05.000 Yeah, and the military is very task-oriented, so you get used to having problems that's presented to you.

02:57:11.000 Like, here's our training block, which a training command will set up for you, and you show up, and it's like, here's your gear list, here's what we're doing today, and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

02:57:20.000 Somebody's providing for that for you.

02:57:22.000 They're looking at the trajectory of, here's 18 months of training that you're going to go through, and you're not going to facilitate it, and at the end, you're going to go on deployment, and it's...

02:57:31.000 It's hard, and I say this from personal experience, when you leave that being presented with tasks that you have to go out and find them. 0.97

02:57:39.000 And I mean, shit, I've reinvented myself out of the military. 0.94

02:57:43.000 Like I said, I worked for CrossFit for a bit. 0.99

02:57:45.000 I threw my hat in the ring to be a professional skydiver and base jumper.

02:57:49.000 I flew corporate aircraft for almost two years, the public speaking thing.

02:57:54.000 And all of those is like trying to...

02:57:58.000 What's gonna work?

02:57:59.000 What's gonna be the next?

02:58:00.000 In the end, what it ended up being is I didn't have the time to fly.

02:58:03.000 And I didn't like the duration of the time.

02:58:05.000 Skydiving and base jumping, I absolutely love.

02:58:07.000 I'm very passionate about it.

02:58:08.000 But where I live now, it's a little bit prohibitive, getting access to it.

02:58:12.000 And then podcasting.

02:58:14.000 I didn't even add that.

02:58:15.000 So it's a combination of those things that are left, and I get a sense of fulfillment from all of that.

02:58:21.000 Jiu-Jitsu even ties into that, too.

02:58:23.000 It's another...

02:58:24.000 I mean, one of the things I love about Jiu-Jitsu is my training partners. 0.79

02:58:29.000 Jiu-jitsu would be so gay if you had to do it by yourself, like training katos, right? 1.00

02:58:33.000 Wouldn't it be the opposite? 0.99

02:58:36.000 God, it would be the exact opposite of gay. 1.00

02:58:40.000 Well, I think that... 0.59

02:58:41.000 But the community there...

02:58:42.000 I know what you're saying.

02:58:43.000 Yeah.

02:58:43.000 Well, they're exceptional people.

02:58:45.000 The thing about it is the type of people that you do jiu-jitsu with are the type of people that do jiu-jitsu.

02:58:51.000 It's the type of people that are interested in doing something that's incredibly difficult.

02:58:56.000 So hard to...

02:58:57.000 You get to black belt in jiu-jitsu.

02:59:00.000 If I meet someone and they tell me they're a jiu-jitsu black belt, I'm like, okay.

02:59:04.000 You did it. 0.99

02:59:06.000 That's a lot of shit you had to get through. 1.00

02:59:08.000 That's a long fucking trudge of a road. 1.00

02:59:11.000 It's a no metric, for sure. 0.99

02:59:14.000 But, I mean...

02:59:17.000 It's not impossible.

02:59:20.000 I couldn't be more proud of the time that I spent in the military.

02:59:23.000 I'm very proud of the fact that I am a veteran and I was able to serve.

02:59:27.000 I have criticism of segments of the veteran culture who can't move past their service.

02:59:35.000 They will often point at a lot of obstacles that are in their way and ignore the fact that they placed them there.

02:59:41.000 And their life would be better.

02:59:43.000 And the perception of the veteran community at large would be better if they were able to move past that.

02:59:51.000 Like one of the biggest things that irritates me is this broken toys narrative.

02:59:54.000 I absolutely hate it.

02:59:55.000 War doesn't have to break you at all.

02:59:57.000 Does it break some people? 0.99

02:59:59.000 Fuck yes, it does. 0.99

03:00:00.000 I think I'm a better person because of it. 0.99

03:00:02.000 I think I have more of a passion for life.

03:00:04.000 I think I can love deeper because of my experiences.

03:00:07.000 I think I have more of a respect for life, having been put into places where I had to make decisions to take it.

03:00:14.000 And I feel I'm more prepared to solve problems.

03:00:18.000 I have more of an emotional depth than I did before going in.

03:00:22.000 And that's because of that experiences.

03:00:24.000 And like I said, it does break some people.

03:00:26.000 But if you look at trauma or...

03:00:31.000 Post-traumatic stress, which I don't believe is a disorder and I think we should focus far more on post-traumatic growth as opposed to post-traumatic stress because you can navigate that and come out of it stronger.

03:00:40.000 The math supports that specifically in the civilian world even more so than in the military world but there's a fucked up financial incentive in the military veteran world to actually not get better because they could potentially reduce your rating from the VA which reduces the amount of money that you get.

03:00:55.000 So the whole point in saying all that is it's very possible to be a better version of yourself from those experiences but nobody is going to do it for you.

03:01:06.000 It's not that it's easy but it's totally possible.

03:01:09.000 Veterans aren't broken.

03:01:10.000 I think they should be held to a higher standard than other people because they come out of that environment where they have those tools.

03:01:16.000 They have those experiences and I don't care what you do in the military.

03:01:19.000 You know, the emphasis they place on the same thing, you know, teamwork, integrity, communication, all that stuff, discipline, it's more than what I have seen being taught anywhere at any traditional school.

03:01:30.000 So you have those tools.

03:01:31.000 You have an advantage.

03:01:32.000 Hold them to a higher standard. 1.00

03:01:33.000 Don't let them get away with shit. 1.00

03:01:34.000 Well said. 1.00

03:01:36.000 Here, here. 1.00

03:01:37.000 Andy Stump, you're a bad motherfucker. 1.00

03:01:39.000 I appreciate you. 1.00

03:01:40.000 I don't know about that, but...

03:01:41.000 I think so.

03:01:42.000 I'll say it.

03:01:44.000 Cleared Hot.

03:01:44.000 It's available everywhere.

03:01:45.000 You can get it on iTunes and all that jazz, right?

03:01:48.000 Is it on Spotify?

03:01:50.000 It is.

03:01:50.000 It is on Spotify.

03:01:52.000 You on YouTube?

03:01:53.000 I am on the tube of you, yes. 1.00

03:01:55.000 Do they ever fuck with you? 1.00

03:01:56.000 I don't know what they would fuck with me about. 1.00

03:01:58.000 Well, they get weird with some episodes. 0.98

03:02:01.000 They will demonetize stuff. 0.99

03:02:03.000 There you go.

03:02:03.000 But I always just hit the button that says, have a review.

03:02:06.000 And I've never had one that got kickbacked.

03:02:07.000 Really?

03:02:08.000 Yeah.

03:02:08.000 Well, let's see after this episode.

03:02:10.000 This is going to be on your channel.

03:02:12.000 Doesn't matter.

03:02:13.000 They're going to know about it. 1.00

03:02:13.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:02:14.000 You're a part of the machine. 1.00

03:02:16.000 Yeah, thanks for having me.

03:02:17.000 Thank you, brother.

03:02:17.000 Appreciate you.

03:02:18.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 03, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1771 - Andy Stumpf

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