The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #152 with Sean Brady

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00:00:12.000 What's up?

00:00:13.000 What's going on?

00:00:14.000 Good to see you, brother.

00:00:14.000 Thank you for having me, man.

00:00:16.000 So we were just talking about injuries, like the life of a fighter.

00:00:20.000 You always have something wrong, right?

00:00:22.000 Yeah, it's rough.

00:00:26.000 I'm getting a little bit older now, and I'm being smarter, but I was training, and I still kind of do almost three times a day.

00:00:32.000 So I would do a morning skill session, An afternoon run or an afternoon strength session and then another skill session at night.

00:00:41.000 I did that for 10 plus years.

00:00:44.000 But I love it though.

00:00:46.000 But I'm finding now, I'm trying to find that balance of if it's a hard morning MMA sparring session, night time will be jujitsu and I'll try to make it light.

00:00:56.000 But you know how you drill, then you start rolling and when you're rolling hard, It's almost just as...

00:01:02.000 I get injured sometimes more during jiu-jitsu, so...

00:01:05.000 The whole rolling light is...

00:01:07.000 It doesn't happen.

00:01:08.000 Never happens.

00:01:09.000 I was telling my wife, because my hand, I was coming out here, I was like, maybe I can go and I can just, like, drill with Gordon and those guys. 0.97

00:01:15.000 She was like, you ain't fucking drilling with no... 1.00

00:01:18.000 If you guys start rolling light, like, there's not gonna be any of that. 0.95

00:01:22.000 And I'm like, you're 100% right, so...

00:01:25.000 That's smart though.

00:01:27.000 That's like smarter Sean, like older. 1.00

00:01:29.000 100% and that's where like before I'd be like nah, fuck that. 0.99

00:01:32.000 Like I'm going, I'm gonna go hard and then I'd be injured and then I wouldn't be able to fight. 0.93

00:01:36.000 The problem with injuries is if you don't give them respect, they get chronic.

00:01:43.000 There's so many guys that have an injury.

00:01:46.000 And they try to train through it and it just gets worse and worse and worse.

00:01:49.000 And then instead of being out for six weeks, now you're out for six months.

00:01:52.000 And that was me after my Bilal fight.

00:01:55.000 So I came home from Abu Dhabi.

00:01:57.000 I didn't have any injuries.

00:01:58.000 I wanted to get back and I wanted to get that taste out of my mouth.

00:02:02.000 So I'm back training.

00:02:03.000 I'm back running and then I start to feel that pain I was telling you about and I literally just kept running like I'd run once I was warmed up like you know it is you warm up the injuries kind of go away like you feel good until you cool down and I did that for a couple months and I had a fight scheduled and I tore my groin and then I rescheduled the fight I did my rehab and this first week back of training it tore again so it was a shitty road Have you had any surgeries?

00:02:31.000 I had my deviated septum done. 0.99

00:02:33.000 Obviously, they didn't fix the outside because this shit's fucked up. 0.99

00:02:36.000 But besides that, I broke my thumb. 1.00

00:02:39.000 I never had a knee.

00:02:41.000 I've been pretty lucky with no surgeries, but a lot of injuries.

00:02:45.000 Isn't the deviated septum one amazing?

00:02:47.000 When I got it done, and when you have to have those things in your nose for a week, though, as soon as they pull them out, you feel like a new human.

00:02:54.000 It's like...

00:02:56.000 Oh, it's the best.

00:02:57.000 It's incredible.

00:02:58.000 It's the best.

00:02:58.000 I never knew, like, how much cardio I was missing, not being able to breathe out of my nose.

00:03:03.000 Look at, like, Drekus.

00:03:04.000 Yeah.

00:03:05.000 When he got his nose fixed, like, he used to always fight with his mouth open, and people thought he was out of shape.

00:03:11.000 Yeah.

00:03:12.000 And the guy just can't breathe out of his nose.

00:03:14.000 I think at some point, though, you have to open up your mouth, obviously.

00:03:17.000 But I do all my Zone 2 now on the Echo Bike, mouth closed.

00:03:21.000 And now I just started doing mouth tape when I sleep.

00:03:24.000 My recovery on my aura ring went through the roof.

00:03:27.000 Just for mouth tape?

00:03:28.000 Just for mouth tape.

00:03:29.000 You use hostage tape?

00:03:30.000 I had this one called Dream that I got, but hostage, it's the same thing. 1.00

00:03:35.000 Does it fuck with you with the mustache, though? 1.00

00:03:36.000 No. 0.99

00:03:37.000 Sometimes if I have too much facial hair, it doesn't stick that good.

00:03:40.000 My buddy Simon was saying that because he had some cheap one.

00:03:43.000 He was like, doesn't it bother you when you pull it off?

00:03:45.000 I'm like, yeah, a little bit.

00:03:47.000 I don't mean that.

00:03:48.000 I mean, it doesn't stick good.

00:03:49.000 Oh, no.

00:03:49.000 These ones, they stick good.

00:03:51.000 You have to pull it off.

00:03:52.000 The cheap ones just fall right off. 1.00

00:03:54.000 I'd wake up and it'd be like, On my fucking shoulder. 0.99

00:03:58.000 That's interesting that it had that much of an impact on your recovery. 0.99

00:04:02.000 So you wear an aura ring.

00:04:05.000 My wife wears one of those, but I've never worn it.

00:04:08.000 How does it work?

00:04:10.000 What's the metrics it gives you?

00:04:12.000 So I used to have WHOOP and WHOOP couldn't shoot through my tattoos.

00:04:19.000 So I'd get inaccurate readings on all my shit and I actually messaged them and they're like, hey, it's just the kind of lighting we have. 0.61

00:04:26.000 So I would wear it here, but then it would go up on my wrist and then I had nowhere I could wear it. 0.92

00:04:33.000 This was the next best thing.

00:04:35.000 But it does the same.

00:04:36.000 It does HRV, heart rate, your sleep, deep sleep, REM. It tracks your workouts, but I really don't care about that.

00:04:45.000 If I want to track my workouts, I wear the Polar or MyZone.

00:04:49.000 So I'll wear those.

00:04:51.000 But yeah, it does your sleep, does your...

00:04:53.000 Does a lot of things and this got a new one Morpheus.

00:04:57.000 I have Morpheus.

00:04:58.000 I have Morpheus too.

00:04:59.000 The app is outstanding too.

00:05:00.000 I have Morpheus.

00:05:01.000 I really like that one.

00:05:02.000 You do the HRV in the morning and stuff like that.

00:05:04.000 I just I love buying them and I just try them and I like compare them like I'll wear everything and I'll do the echo bike workout and I'll compare like my heart rates and stuff like that.

00:05:13.000 So yeah, it's fun.

00:05:14.000 But when I got my nose fixed, it was a game changer for sure.

00:05:18.000 Yeah, it's just such a different thing to be able to breathe out of your nose.

00:05:21.000 But it's interesting to me that the sleep, that your recovery is better.

00:05:25.000 I just always wonder why.

00:05:26.000 Why breathing through the nose while you sleep improves your recovery?

00:05:29.000 Well, I'll snore. 1.00

00:05:31.000 If I sleep on my back, my wife will hit me and she's like, you're fucking snoring. 0.98

00:05:35.000 I'll turn on my side, and I won't snore anymore, and then I added the mouth tape, and I just started doing no THC, but just CBD gummies, and my wife too, she's a nurse. 0.99

00:05:46.000 She's like getting the best fucking sleep she's ever had. 0.99

00:05:48.000 Our deep, because you can see the deep sleep on there. 0.99

00:05:50.000 I have the eight sleep mats.

00:05:51.000 Mattress too.

00:05:52.000 So I can compare and our deep sleep is from the CBD for me and the mouth tape is through the roof. 0.94

00:05:59.000 She doesn't do the mouth tape, but she does the CBD and our deep sleep is fucking great. 0.83

00:06:04.000 That's interesting. 0.80

00:06:05.000 So does it give you a score?

00:06:07.000 What is your score that you get?

00:06:09.000 So it will give you like...

00:06:11.000 Can I pull my phone out?

00:06:11.000 Sure.

00:06:13.000 I posted one the other day.

00:06:15.000 So here it is.

00:06:16.000 Jamie's pulled it up there.

00:06:17.000 So it shows you readiness.

00:06:21.000 So time to recover is 44. That's me today for sure.

00:06:25.000 Trade carefully is 75. And then good day ahead is 96. This was my one when I wore the mouth tape and the CBD. My heart rate was 38. Yeah, that's great.

00:06:39.000 No, that's awesome.

00:06:40.000 And usually my deep sleep doesn't get as deep. 0.96

00:06:45.000 Resting heart rate 38 is pretty fucking low. 0.97

00:06:47.000 Yeah, especially not for in camp. 0.98

00:06:48.000 Not bad.

00:06:50.000 That's great.

00:06:50.000 The description of what makes it maybe a little different.

00:06:52.000 It says each person a unique version of normal rather than your base averages on impersonal population benchmarks like hit 10,000 steps.

00:07:00.000 Aura gets to know you and provides you with personalized baselines and insights.

00:07:05.000 Whether your sleep took a hit after a night out, or you're prioritizing balance in your wellness routine, Aura helps you reach your goals by delivering the best 360 degree view of your health.

00:07:14.000 I like it, but can't wear it during MMA practice or anything like that, so I'll take it off, but I was getting almost too caught up with the whoop, because you wake up when you're in a training camp, you're most likely going to be in the yellow or the red.

00:07:27.000 You're not always going to be in the green, then it's like telling you to take it easy. 0.90

00:07:31.000 It's like, I fucking can't take it easy. 0.99

00:07:32.000 I have a fight in fucking... 1.00

00:07:34.000 You have to find the balance of knowing, like, I actually really feel like shit or this thing's just telling me I feel like shit. 0.99

00:07:38.000 It's really funny that balance between, like, especially when someone's just completely obsessed. 0.98

00:07:44.000 Like, I was listening to this or watching this video where Craig Jones was talking about when he was training, especially when he was first starting out, He was training every day.

00:07:52.000 And he went to a doctor, and the doctor's like, you might have cancer.

00:07:57.000 You might have a serious illness.

00:07:59.000 What's wrong with your body?

00:08:00.000 And it really was just that he was just worn out.

00:08:02.000 He was completely overtrained.

00:08:04.000 And with MMA, we just have so many things we have to cover.

00:08:09.000 We have to do boxing, we have to do wrestling, we have to do Muay Thai.

00:08:13.000 And then I'm big into strength and conditioning, so I have to lift.

00:08:17.000 But that's something I've gotten better with.

00:08:18.000 I lift three days a week now.

00:08:20.000 I have a strength coach that works with the Eagles.

00:08:22.000 His name's Gabe. 0.99

00:08:24.000 And he's like, we go in, we warm up, we're doing all this shit. 1.00

00:08:27.000 I'm like, fuck. 1.00

00:08:28.000 I want to do this. 1.00

00:08:28.000 But now, I love it. 1.00

00:08:30.000 It's just getting me more athletic.

00:08:32.000 It's more just like GPP, just keeping me prepared and just getting me ready for my MMA sessions and just keeping me strong.

00:08:38.000 We do trap bar deadlifts.

00:08:40.000 We do front squats.

00:08:42.000 I don't get crazy with a lot of the lifts I used to do. 0.98

00:08:45.000 I used to want to lift a fucking power lifter.

00:08:47.000 I'd be benching and straight bar deadlifts and back squats. 0.99

00:08:50.000 I'm like...

00:08:51.000 That's not what we do.

00:08:52.000 Why did you get into that initially?

00:08:54.000 Was it just for Jiu Jitsu?

00:08:56.000 I started off lifting before I started MMA. So I started training when I was like 16, but I started off lifting at my local rec center.

00:09:04.000 Just benching every day, and then I really got into lifting.

00:09:07.000 I would have the squat bench deadlift, trying to get my numbers up, and then eventually I kept hurting my back.

00:09:13.000 I was like 21 years old with a wrecked back.

00:09:15.000 So now I just do trap bar deadlifts.

00:09:17.000 No more straight bar, anything like that.

00:09:20.000 I think the straight bar just puts you in a bad position, whereas the trap bar puts you in a more natural position to squat down and lift.

00:09:28.000 And you can still put on some good weight on there, so it does the job for me.

00:09:32.000 Yeah, there's a lot of people that think that deadlifts are just not worth it.

00:09:36.000 Yeah.

00:09:37.000 The amount of possibility, the possibility of injury in your back.

00:09:41.000 Yeah.

00:09:42.000 That there's other ways to, like, you saw that machine, we had the belt squat machine.

00:09:45.000 Belt squat's the best.

00:09:46.000 Which is such a great machine for your legs.

00:09:48.000 I mean, it just puts all the weight on your hips.

00:09:50.000 You're not compressing your spine at all.

00:09:52.000 Yeah.

00:09:53.000 And yet you can get, like, big numbers.

00:09:54.000 Yeah, you don't have that bar on your back.

00:09:55.000 Yeah.

00:09:55.000 That's, like, in camp we do a lot of, uh, the belt squat walks.

00:09:59.000 So we'll do three five minute rounds of, We'll put on, like, if I'm fighting it, I fight at 170, we put on 170 pounds, and we walk for five minutes, like, just side to side, rest one minute, and we do it for three rounds.

00:10:10.000 Oof. 0.99

00:10:10.000 So, but by the end of it, you're fucking, your hips are cooked. 0.99

00:10:14.000 But it's good, though. 0.99

00:10:15.000 Like, I don't have that bar on my back, and like you said, It's compressing you and that's how you get hurt.

00:10:22.000 That's another Louie Simmons invention. 0.99

00:10:23.000 That fucking guy was a genius. 1.00

00:10:25.000 The best. 1.00

00:10:26.000 He was such a genius.

00:10:27.000 That's like the method we do is like the conjugate.

00:10:29.000 So we do a dynamic upper, dynamic lower, max effort, max effort.

00:10:33.000 So we do a lot of sled pulls, backwards, forwards.

00:10:37.000 So it's a lot of the Louie stuff.

00:10:40.000 It's really good.

00:10:40.000 It's interesting when you see fighters training in their strength and conditioning routines because it's so hard to figure out what's the optimal balance between strength work and skill work.

00:10:52.000 And then we were talking about how GSP, especially towards the end of his career, all he did was do skills.

00:10:58.000 He didn't really do any strength and conditioning.

00:11:01.000 Well, because think about the NFL. If you go into the Eagles or the Steelers, they might have different coaches and small things they do, but almost everything they're doing is going to be the same.

00:11:12.000 They have that strength system figured out.

00:11:15.000 MMA guys, I know guys who don't work out at all.

00:11:17.000 I know some guys who do bodybuilding.

00:11:19.000 I know guys who do powerlifting programs.

00:11:21.000 So no one has it figured out yet to where...

00:11:24.000 Maybe in 10, 20 years from now, they will, but right now, no one's got it figured out.

00:11:29.000 So we're all kind of just...

00:11:30.000 Trying to see what works best.

00:11:33.000 Yeah, I think there's like the Sam Calavita method, which a lot of people really like.

00:11:38.000 I was listening to Bo.

00:11:40.000 He's a wild man.

00:11:41.000 He's amazing. 1.00

00:11:42.000 Sam does some crazy shit. 1.00

00:11:44.000 He does. 1.00

00:11:45.000 But like you were saying, Bo, I think there's definitely a point of no return where you go too hard.

00:11:51.000 Those workouts like they kind of start to pull away from all your skill training because if I have to recover for fucking four days from a bike workout, I just missed maybe potentially eight sessions that I could have been working on my skill.

00:12:02.000 And that's something I'm still like I had to figure out. 0.97

00:12:05.000 Well, you know, Marv Marinovich who was training BJ Penn when BJ was the fucking man. 0.82

00:12:11.000 There was a time where, like people forget, there was a time when BJ was in his prime where I would put BJ against any 155 pounder that ever left. 0.99

00:12:21.000 He was a monster.

00:12:22.000 And when he was training with Marinovic, they really didn't have him doing any skill training.

00:12:27.000 It was almost all cardio and plyometrics and these dynamic sprinting things.

00:12:33.000 And their idea was, like, BJ already knows how to fight.

00:12:36.000 Like, the problem is the gas tank. 0.97

00:12:38.000 Like, giving him a fucking insane gas tank where he can go as hard as he wants. 0.95

00:12:44.000 Do your drills, do your own stuff, but to have extensive MMA training, they're like for six weeks or eight weeks, you already know how to fight. 0.98

00:12:52.000 Yeah.

00:12:52.000 Just six weeks, eight weeks, just we're gonna blow it out with this insane cardiovascular routine.

00:12:57.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:12:58.000 And they got him in just fucking superhuman shape. 0.98

00:13:01.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:13:01.000 In superhuman shape, BJ was scared. 0.98

00:13:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:04.000 Who?

00:13:05.000 Sean Shirk, BJ. That knee against the cage.

00:13:07.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:08.000 Joe Stevenson, when he beat Joe Stevenson up.

00:13:10.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.76

00:13:10.000 That was a, he was a monster, man. 0.76

00:13:13.000 Did he move up to 70 before or after that?

00:13:16.000 Well, he moved up to 70, I think, for fun.

00:13:18.000 You know?

00:13:19.000 Because he didn't even really move up to 70. He just didn't diet.

00:13:22.000 Yeah.

00:13:22.000 He probably walked down to 170 pounds.

00:13:24.000 Yeah.

00:13:24.000 Because he was pudgy.

00:13:26.000 When he beat Matt Hughes, he wasn't big.

00:13:31.000 Yeah, no.

00:13:31.000 It was just jiu-jitsu.

00:13:32.000 And Matt Hughes was a monster.

00:13:34.000 He had that farm strength. 0.98

00:13:36.000 He was jacked. 1.00

00:13:37.000 He was fucking strong. 1.00

00:13:38.000 And now we all walk around close to 200 pounds. 0.99

00:13:42.000 Isn't that wild?

00:13:44.000 Close to 200. I cut from fight week.

00:13:46.000 I show up.

00:13:46.000 I'm 190 pounds.

00:13:48.000 What's the heaviest you ever get?

00:13:49.000 I used to get heavy.

00:13:50.000 I'd be like 205. But when I was younger, I'd go out after a fight and celebrate and eat like shit and drink. 0.99

00:13:56.000 Now, I don't drink alcohol. 0.98

00:13:58.000 I don't eat bad. 1.00

00:13:59.000 I ate a bad Sunday the day I got home from Austin with my wife, and I felt like a piece of shit. 1.00

00:14:05.000 I go so hard. 0.99

00:14:06.000 I'm like, I never want to feel like this again.

00:14:09.000 Now, 195, 197 is the heaviest I'll get.

00:14:12.000 That was a big win for you, though.

00:14:14.000 You need to celebrate that one.

00:14:15.000 Yeah, it was...

00:14:16.000 But I needed to get back, and I got into it.

00:14:19.000 But 195, like, 10% body fat, like, that's where my DEXA scans at, and that's where I feel great, like, 195. And then I'll slowly get down to 190, and that's where I start my, like, actual water cut from.

00:14:30.000 So...

00:14:31.000 They weighed me in the back at that flight.

00:14:33.000 I was 193 right before I fall Kelvin.

00:14:36.000 Really?

00:14:37.000 So you put 23 pounds on?

00:14:38.000 23, yeah.

00:14:40.000 Wow.

00:14:40.000 That's nuts.

00:14:41.000 How bad do you feel when you step on that scale?

00:14:43.000 Not that bad.

00:14:44.000 This last one was my...

00:14:45.000 I was on weight the night before.

00:14:47.000 I had probably three liters of water that day before I even went to sleep.

00:14:53.000 So I woke up.

00:14:54.000 I was 178 on Thursday.

00:14:57.000 I went to the sauna. 0.99

00:14:58.000 We went to a fucking LA Fitness right by us. 0.99

00:15:00.000 I cut eight pounds by accident. 0.99

00:15:01.000 I cut all my weight.

00:15:02.000 I weighed myself in an hour.

00:15:03.000 I was on weight.

00:15:05.000 So I hit up.

00:15:05.000 I worked with Charles from the PI. They're the best.

00:15:08.000 Hit him up.

00:15:09.000 Told him what happened.

00:15:10.000 He was like, hey...

00:15:10.000 It gave me the exact amounts to drink and I was drinking and eating on Thursday.

00:15:15.000 I think I put back on four pounds.

00:15:17.000 I went to the sauna that night.

00:15:18.000 I cut all of it in 30 minutes.

00:15:21.000 I'm always on weight the night before.

00:15:23.000 I never ever want to wake up and know I have to go cut weight because those sweats are so hard to break. 0.96

00:15:29.000 When your body fat's that low, to break that first sweat, it's fucking hard. 0.67

00:15:33.000 So I like to get on the night before and just be done with it. 0.90

00:15:37.000 There's different schools of thought.

00:15:38.000 Some guys like to just have a good night's sleep because they say they can't sleep when they're cutting.

00:15:43.000 Yeah.

00:15:43.000 I feel like you're already into that cut, though.

00:15:46.000 So if you're going to sleep bad, I think you're going to sleep bad regardless. 0.99

00:15:50.000 So I'd just rather not have that stress of, like, fuck, I've got to wake up and cut. 0.99

00:15:53.000 I know guys who wake up, they cut 10, 15 pounds. 0.99

00:15:56.000 But that's how we used to do it when the weigh-ins were at 6 o'clock because you had all that time.

00:16:00.000 Now they're at 9, so I try to sleep until 7, right?

00:16:03.000 Get up and then you have to be over there by 8, 8.30, try to be one of the first ones on the scale and then just start hammering those liquids back in.

00:16:12.000 I wish they would let people do IVs.

00:16:15.000 I feel like if you're gonna allow people to have these massive cuts, they would have better performances if you let them do IVs. 0.99

00:16:21.000 We used to fucking... 0.97

00:16:22.000 We'd get hooked up with the IVs and we'd feel like Superman, like 10 pounds immediately. 0.99

00:16:27.000 But the only negative aspect of it is they say that it can mask performance-envancing drugs.

00:16:34.000 But I think the solution to that is test the guys as they're cutting.

00:16:39.000 Test the guys before they rehydrate.

00:16:41.000 Test them then.

00:16:42.000 So that way you know.

00:16:43.000 If you took something then, it's not going to help you in 10 hours.

00:16:48.000 Guys are definitely still doing it though.

00:16:50.000 They have to be.

00:16:50.000 Guys are doing it 100%.

00:16:52.000 And now with this new thing that we're under...

00:16:54.000 You think guys are doing IVs?

00:16:55.000 Oh, 100%.

00:16:56.000 Really?

00:16:56.000 100%.

00:16:57.000 No shit. 0.99

00:16:58.000 Yeah, because if guys are cheating and getting away, because guys are definitely getting away with taking PEDs, there's a way to get away with, like, what are they going to test for? 0.99

00:17:06.000 The traces of the plastic in your blood?

00:17:08.000 I think that's it, yeah. 0.98

00:17:09.000 But from what I heard, we're drinking shit that has plastic in it all the time, so how are you going to know it's an IV? That's a good question. 0.98

00:17:15.000 You know?

00:17:16.000 I was hoping that with this new thing with USADA being done, we were going to be able to IV. But I was talking to Charles from the PI. He said the science, I don't know behind it, but he was saying it's better orally to do it anyway.

00:17:28.000 You're better off doing it with the amount of time we have than IV. So I'm like, hey, I get all my weight back on.

00:17:34.000 I can't complain.

00:17:35.000 Why is it better orally?

00:17:36.000 It seems like getting it right into your bloodstream would be quicker.

00:17:40.000 Obviously, you do IVs.

00:17:42.000 It'd be after cutting weight, so I'd be super bloated afterwards.

00:17:46.000 I mean, you get bloated from drinking your liquids you have to put back in anyway, but that's the only thing I'm thinking.

00:17:51.000 Maybe it'll just fuck up your stomach more, but I don't know.

00:17:55.000 It's such a weird balance.

00:17:57.000 It's so interesting when you have something like the UFC PI, which is super high-tech, super scientific.

00:18:03.000 They can tell you how much water to drink.

00:18:05.000 It used to be guys were just kind of winging it, and they would fuck it up one time and get it right the next time.

00:18:11.000 They give us a sheet because we have Joey Piper fighting December 10th.

00:18:15.000 He has a main event.

00:18:16.000 So I'm going to go out there, do all my testing, and they give you a sheet.

00:18:20.000 They know how many calories you burn at absolute rest.

00:18:23.000 They know your body better than you do, and they give you a sheet after you weigh in.

00:18:28.000 You need 4,500 calories.

00:18:30.000 You need 1,000 grams of carbs.

00:18:32.000 You need all these different macros, and it's right there.

00:18:37.000 I know they do that with some fighters.

00:18:39.000 They give you meal prep.

00:18:41.000 How are they doing that?

00:18:44.000 They do it based on each athlete, your weight?

00:18:47.000 As far as I know, yeah.

00:18:49.000 I've hired other nutritionists and stuff like that, but the PI does it great.

00:18:53.000 It's free for all UFC fighters.

00:18:55.000 If you're just in contact with them all the time, like I am, they make it so easy for you.

00:18:59.000 They hand you your meals.

00:19:01.000 They're like, listen, eat this, eat this, eat this, and then you should be good to go.

00:19:05.000 Like, they're taking your weight.

00:19:06.000 They tell you how much water to drink.

00:19:08.000 Like, they make it pretty easy for us, you know?

00:19:10.000 And do they provide you guys with supplements?

00:19:13.000 Thorn.

00:19:14.000 Thorn.

00:19:14.000 Okay, so it's all set up for you.

00:19:16.000 Yeah, so if you want all thorn, like...

00:19:18.000 Now we have an app that we go on and we can put in an order every month that we want. 0.95

00:19:23.000 So they do a lot of good shit for us. 0.97

00:19:25.000 What are you not allowed to take? 0.99

00:19:28.000 You're allowed to take creatine, right?

00:19:29.000 Creatine.

00:19:29.000 Yeah, so any supplement that's third-party tested.

00:19:32.000 So I use this company called Allmax.

00:19:34.000 They have some things that are third-party tested and some things that aren't.

00:19:37.000 So all the things that are third-party, I think it's informed choice.

00:19:40.000 So, Informed Choice, BSCG. Like, I take ShroomTech from Onnit.

00:19:45.000 You guys have BSCG. I can take that.

00:19:48.000 But if it didn't, you can take it, but now it's at your own risk.

00:19:53.000 So, anything that's third-party tested, we're good to go.

00:19:57.000 But I thought going into this now, we'd be able to do more stuff.

00:20:01.000 I was asking Jeff about, I text Jeff Nowinski, and I was asking about peptides.

00:20:07.000 I just wanted to see maybe for my hand or just any injuries.

00:20:11.000 I'm like, are we going to be allowed to take this?

00:20:12.000 And it's an absolute no.

00:20:14.000 Yeah, I was talking to them about that too, as well as the new guy from Drug Free Sport.

00:20:19.000 I forget his name.

00:20:21.000 But the guy was taking over from USADA and they were saying no because peptides, you'll get popped for it at each individual commission.

00:20:29.000 So if you're in Florida and they don't allow it, you test there, the Florida Commission will pop you for it.

00:20:34.000 Yeah, because I was asking him, he said even if they didn't allow it, he said all the states, like they won't give you, it's called a TUE, some kind of exemption, and they said none of them would do it.

00:20:44.000 So I'm like, alright, well just good to know.

00:20:46.000 But like stem cells and stuff like that, like As far as I know, that's all good to go.

00:20:50.000 Yeah, that's all good to go. 0.97

00:20:51.000 Yeah, creatine, protein, all that shit. 0.92

00:20:54.000 There's so many companies now who have third-party tests and stuff. 0.94

00:20:57.000 You can take plenty of stuff.

00:20:59.000 Fish oil. 0.99

00:21:00.000 And then if you don't want to go outside the realm, just stay with Thorn because their shit's super high quality. 0.96

00:21:05.000 And the UFC gives all that stuff to you for free. 0.95

00:21:08.000 That's nice.

00:21:08.000 Yeah.

00:21:09.000 So do you ever do a camp at the PI, or do your camps all in Philly?

00:21:12.000 No.

00:21:12.000 I've done all my camps in Philly, and that's something that I'm super proud and happy about.

00:21:17.000 I'm born and raised in Philly.

00:21:19.000 I never left.

00:21:20.000 We have a small team.

00:21:21.000 It's called Marquez MMA. We have six guys in the UFC right now.

00:21:24.000 We have me, Joey Pfeiffer, Pat Sabatini, Andre Petroski, Jeremiah Wells.

00:21:30.000 That's a great crew.

00:21:32.000 We got a good squad.

00:21:33.000 We had Paul Felder.

00:21:34.000 Paul was one of the first guys out of Philly.

00:21:36.000 Besides, I train with Eddie Alvarez.

00:21:38.000 We have a good group of Philly guys.

00:21:42.000 That's nice.

00:21:43.000 I fought Christian Aguilera, and I put him to sleep with a guillotine.

00:21:46.000 Eddie was my main training partner because it was during COVID. He was fighting for one FC. No one was training, and he hit me up.

00:21:53.000 He was like, yo, are you guys training? 0.98

00:21:54.000 I was like, fuck yeah, we're training. 0.98

00:21:55.000 We had all of our windows. 1.00

00:21:57.000 Because in Philly, they were shutting shit down. 0.99

00:22:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:22:00.000 But we all had fights, so we're like, we're fucking training. 1.00

00:22:03.000 So me and Eddie got super close during that. 0.95

00:22:06.000 When Cormier fought Stipe, he got COVID during camp and just trained right through it.

00:22:12.000 Just kept going.

00:22:13.000 I fought, first time when you interviewed me and you weren't even in the cage, it was when they were still doing... 0.93

00:22:18.000 Oh, that was ridiculous.

00:22:19.000 It was Jake Matthews. 0.73

00:22:20.000 I had COVID two weeks before the fight.

00:22:21.000 You remember that?

00:22:22.000 How crazy that was. 1.00

00:22:24.000 You just had a fucking cage fight. 0.99

00:22:26.000 So you're on top of each other, sweating, pounding on each other. 0.99

00:22:29.000 Everyone's tested.

00:22:30.000 I'm tested.

00:22:31.000 All the announcers are tested.

00:22:32.000 All the referees are tested.

00:22:34.000 And we still couldn't be next to each other when I interviewed you. 1.00

00:22:37.000 That was so dumb. 0.98

00:22:38.000 So I had COVID two weeks before that. 1.00

00:22:40.000 Only symptoms I had were I lost my taste and my smell, which that fucking sucks. 0.99

00:22:45.000 For food, right? 0.99

00:22:46.000 Food.

00:22:46.000 I love drinking coffee, especially when you're in camp and you're cutting weight.

00:22:50.000 That's the only thing you really get to enjoy.

00:22:54.000 I get to fight week show up because I tested negative before I got there.

00:22:57.000 I let the UFC know.

00:22:58.000 I get there.

00:22:59.000 I take my first test.

00:23:02.000 When you were getting tested, you get a text, you're good to go to work.

00:23:07.000 All my coaches sitting around me all got their texts at 7 a.m.

00:23:10.000 My phone never goes off. 1.00

00:23:11.000 I'm like, fuck. 0.99

00:23:13.000 I'm like, something's not right. 1.00

00:23:14.000 I get a phone call.

00:23:15.000 They're like, hey, you tested positive.

00:23:17.000 I'm like, no, no, no, no.

00:23:19.000 So I sent them my results.

00:23:21.000 It was a false positive.

00:23:24.000 So luckily, I sent them all my stuff and let them know I had COVID two weeks ago.

00:23:29.000 So everything obviously went through, but If I didn't do that, they would have canceled my flight right there.

00:23:34.000 I was getting calls from the CDC because I was in Vegas.

00:23:37.000 They're telling me I can't leave the state.

00:23:39.000 Like, I can't fly home. 1.00

00:23:40.000 I was like, fuck that. 0.99

00:23:41.000 I was like, I'm driving the next city over and I'm flying home if I can't flight. 1.00

00:23:45.000 Like, I'm not staying here.

00:23:46.000 So, yeah, that was...

00:23:48.000 What a wild time.

00:23:50.000 But it's still lingering.

00:23:52.000 Sort of.

00:23:52.000 They're trying to bring it back in some ways.

00:23:55.000 I still see people like in restaurants.

00:23:56.000 I saw the other day a server was wearing a mask.

00:23:59.000 I was like, okay.

00:24:00.000 The best is when you're in your car by yourself.

00:24:02.000 Nuts.

00:24:03.000 You're by yourself. 0.94

00:24:04.000 Wearing a mask.

00:24:04.000 There's no one around you.

00:24:06.000 It's insane.

00:24:06.000 Yeah.

00:24:07.000 These people are just insane. 0.99

00:24:08.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:24:09.000 Some people just lost their minds.

00:24:10.000 I mean, they just broke a fuse.

00:24:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:13.000 But the hospital is like, my wife's an RN and she said they're reinstating the mask mandate. 0.98

00:24:20.000 But I think it might be, there's flu and then there's COVID and shit. 0.99

00:24:24.000 It's just not even scientific. 0.98

00:24:26.000 That's the thing.

00:24:27.000 It's not even based on science.

00:24:28.000 Are you doing it to make people feel better?

00:24:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:31.000 Because the science doesn't support mask use.

00:24:33.000 It just doesn't.

00:24:35.000 Before the Kelvin fight, like three weeks in, I had lost my taste and my smell.

00:24:39.000 I'm like, I definitely have COVID. I've refused to test myself, though.

00:24:42.000 I'm like, I'm not testing myself.

00:24:43.000 Like, I'm not doing it. 1.00

00:24:44.000 Like, I trained, and I'm like, if I... Because if I tested myself, and if I had it, then I'd be like, fuck. 0.99

00:24:50.000 Like, I feel bad. 0.98

00:24:51.000 Are they testing anybody anymore?

00:24:52.000 No, no, no, no.

00:24:53.000 And I'm like, I'm just sick.

00:24:54.000 Like, I'm just normal.

00:24:55.000 Like, my normal sick.

00:24:56.000 Like, you can get normal...

00:24:58.000 I'm like, all I taste is metal for three weeks, but...

00:25:01.000 I'm like, I don't know what that is.

00:25:02.000 Isn't it crazy, though, that it feels like normal sick, but because you have this label on it, it's not the same COVID anymore.

00:25:08.000 It's just not.

00:25:09.000 And they're still treating it like it's this deadly disease.

00:25:12.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:25:13.000 I knew a few people who got fucked up, but people also get fucked up from the flu. 0.99

00:25:18.000 People get fucked up from normal sicknesses. 0.99

00:25:22.000 I had a friend who was just in bed for 10 days with the flu. 1.00

00:25:26.000 Sick as shit. 1.00

00:25:27.000 Sick as shit. 1.00

00:25:28.000 Like... 1.00

00:25:28.000 No one shut anything down. 1.00

00:25:29.000 And that was...

00:25:30.000 That's normal.

00:25:30.000 But now, like you said, there's...

00:25:32.000 COVID's attached to that.

00:25:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:34.000 And if you post about it or you say shit about it, like, these motherfuckers are trying to come at you and cancel you. 1.00

00:25:39.000 So, like, I try to, like... 1.00

00:25:41.000 On social media, you just gotta... 1.00

00:25:43.000 Kinda gotta just sit back and let these crazy-ass people just say their shit. 1.00

00:25:47.000 There's just so many insane people on social media. 1.00

00:25:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:50.000 They're so insane. 0.95

00:25:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:51.000 And COVID just gives them an excuse to be a cunt. 1.00

00:25:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:54.000 We just give so many people an excuse to just yell at people.

00:25:56.000 We're starting to get tired of it though.

00:25:57.000 People like me and you and people who want to just go about their life. 0.99

00:26:01.000 Two weeks in, I was back to my normal shit. 0.99

00:26:04.000 I was running. 1.00

00:26:06.000 I was doing all my shit. 0.99

00:26:07.000 I thought I was never going back. 0.99

00:26:10.000 I'm like, this is going to be fucking nuts. 0.89

00:26:12.000 I would go to parks and they'd have the parks closed. 0.98

00:26:14.000 I'm like, you're telling me I can't go run a wooded trail by myself?

00:26:19.000 Then people would start coming out.

00:26:21.000 They all had masks on.

00:26:22.000 I'm like, you're in the woods.

00:26:24.000 And they were supposed to be six feet apart from each other. 0.98

00:26:27.000 Like, what the fuck are we doing here? 1.00

00:26:28.000 It's so silly. 1.00

00:26:29.000 They arrested a guy. 0.97

00:26:30.000 The Coast Guard got a guy who was surfing. 0.98

00:26:33.000 This dude's on the ocean, by himself, on a fucking surfboard, and the Coast Guard rolls up on this dude. 0.94

00:26:40.000 Is this a good use of resources, folks? 0.99

00:26:43.000 Like, let's go, buddy. 0.53

00:26:44.000 You're getting locked the fuck up. 1.00

00:26:45.000 So dumb, man. 1.00

00:26:46.000 I'll never forget how dumb it was. 1.00

00:26:48.000 It's like it's all kind of normalized now. 0.98

00:26:51.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:26:52.000 It was just a couple of years ago.

00:26:53.000 Everybody had lost their minds.

00:26:54.000 Well, we look back at it, I'm like, it's not that long ago. 0.98

00:26:57.000 Our whole country was just fucked up, and now we're just like, it's like it never happened. 0.97

00:27:01.000 I'm like, this is crazy. 0.99

00:27:02.000 Well, it seems always seems more preposterous to MMA fighters or jujitsu guys or anybody who does anything that's actually dangerous.

00:27:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:11.000 Because you're doing something dangerous all the time.

00:27:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:14.000 And also, you're in supreme health and condition.

00:27:18.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:27:18.000 And then they ask you to do something ridiculous forever. 0.97

00:27:23.000 Yep. 0.98

00:27:23.000 Forever. 0.98

00:27:24.000 Stay in your house for a year.

00:27:25.000 Like, what?

00:27:26.000 That's the worst thing you can do.

00:27:28.000 Yeah, terrible for you.

00:27:29.000 But they don't want you to be healthy. 0.83

00:27:31.000 They want you to be fat. 0.71

00:27:32.000 They want you to be lazy. 0.59

00:27:33.000 They don't want you working out.

00:27:34.000 They don't want you eating right.

00:27:35.000 Well, they definitely want you to comply.

00:27:36.000 Yeah.

00:27:36.000 That was the most important thing that they wanted during that time.

00:27:39.000 They wanted full compliance from people.

00:27:41.000 Yeah.

00:27:41.000 And if they could scare you into compliance, that's the way they did it.

00:27:44.000 It fucking worked for a lot of people. 0.98

00:27:46.000 Boy, it did. 1.00

00:27:46.000 It scared the shit out of me because I was like, oh my god, there's so many pussies out here. 1.00

00:27:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:27:51.000 There's so many people that will roll over for the government even if what they're saying doesn't make any sense. 0.99

00:27:55.000 Even if it's not scientific, it's just really disheartening.

00:27:59.000 But they even put us... 0.97

00:28:00.000 It was almost like a position where I'm like, damn, I'm not vaccinated. 0.87

00:28:04.000 I'm like, am I going to have to get this shot so I can fight? 0.97

00:28:06.000 I'm like, then it's going to come like... 1.00

00:28:08.000 Do I retire because I don't want this fucking shot? 1.00

00:28:11.000 I'm like, I don't know what the fuck to do. 1.00

00:28:13.000 So luckily it didn't come to that because choosing my career or getting that fucking shot, I don't know what I would have did. 0.99

00:28:20.000 I almost got the shot. 0.99

00:28:21.000 The whole UFC, the UFC staff, they allocated all these vaccines.

00:28:27.000 They had it set up.

00:28:28.000 So Dana and I were talking.

00:28:29.000 He goes, if you want to get vaccinated, we have them for you.

00:28:31.000 I go, great.

00:28:32.000 I wasn't even remotely hesitant in the beginning.

00:28:35.000 And just by luck, I get there on Saturday for the fight and I call the doctor and I say, hey, I thought they could do it for me at the arena.

00:28:46.000 So I was going to do it, get vaccinated, and just call the fight.

00:28:49.000 How bad could it be?

00:28:51.000 I wasn't hearing anything bad about it.

00:28:54.000 He said, no, we have to do it at the clinic.

00:28:56.000 Can you come on Monday?

00:28:57.000 And I said, I have to go home.

00:28:58.000 I go, but we'll be back in two weeks because we had fights in two weeks.

00:29:01.000 And then within two weeks, they pulled it.

00:29:03.000 That's when they pulled it.

00:29:04.000 When Johnson& Johnson was one.

00:29:06.000 And then I knew two dudes who got strokes.

00:29:09.000 Two guys.

00:29:11.000 It's like...

00:29:11.000 I was like, what is going on?

00:29:13.000 And so then I started getting a little weird.

00:29:15.000 And then I started, like, listening to these doctors that were speaking out against this technology.

00:29:20.000 And then I listened to Dr. Robert Malone, who he owns nine patents in the creation of mRNA vaccine technology.

00:29:27.000 Yeah.

00:29:27.000 And he had a very severe reaction to the vaccine.

00:29:30.000 And he posted about his reactions.

00:29:33.000 And then I had him on.

00:29:34.000 And then people started getting mad at me.

00:29:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:36.000 This guy's a legit doctor.

00:29:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:38.000 Well, my mom's a nurse, too.

00:29:40.000 And she got her yearly flu shot. 0.99

00:29:43.000 And the chick who gave it to her must have gave it to her wrong and fucked her shoulder up. 1.00

00:29:48.000 So she had problems in her shoulder. 0.99

00:29:50.000 And then it came to getting the COVID shot.

00:29:52.000 She's like, I'm not getting it.

00:29:53.000 And it wasn't any reason. 0.91

00:29:56.000 She didn't know shit about COVID at the time. 0.97

00:29:58.000 She was like, I just don't want to get another shot. 0.98

00:30:00.000 So they were getting tested. 1.00

00:30:02.000 They made a super small window where they had to be there, whether you had work or if you didn't have work, and you had to get tested three times a week or some stupid shit like that. 0.98

00:30:11.000 So they were making it super hard for the nurses who didn't get vaccinated to do their job. 0.99

00:30:16.000 I'm like, yo, these are the people who are saving these fucking people who are coming in who are sick. 0.95

00:30:20.000 And almost all of them get exposed to it, and almost all of them develop natural immunity. 1.00

00:30:25.000 They were trying to pretend that natural immunity was bullshit. 0.78

00:30:29.000 I've heard people say it recently, natural immunity has been debunked. 0.98

00:30:32.000 No, it hasn't.

00:30:34.000 There's actual studies that show it was multiple times better than the vaccine. 0.99

00:30:38.000 Yeah, when I faced Craig Jones in that grappling match, my whole fucking team was sick. 0.98

00:30:44.000 And at that point, none of us were getting tested. 0.99

00:30:46.000 I'm like, dude, we definitely all have COVID. But I'm not getting tested.

00:30:50.000 I'm not doing it. 0.99

00:30:51.000 Just because I feel like shit. 0.97

00:30:53.000 I don't know if I'm run down or whatever it is, but I'm not saying it's COVID and I can't go do what I'm going to do this weekend. 0.99

00:31:00.000 I'm not doing it.

00:31:01.000 When you do something like that, so you're one of the most promising welterweight contenders in the sport.

00:31:08.000 As your career progresses, you'll probably get a shot at a title within the next couple of years.

00:31:13.000 Taking a grappling match, that's a risky move.

00:31:17.000 Especially against a world-class guy like Craig Jones.

00:31:20.000 Well, it's funny because the only thing Craig couldn't do in that match, he couldn't heel hook me, but he could...

00:31:26.000 Straight knee bar me, straight ankle lock me, anything besides heel hooks.

00:31:31.000 So after the match...

00:31:32.000 Is that your idea?

00:31:33.000 No, that's the UFC's.

00:31:35.000 So Fury was working with the UFC, and the UFC told them, like, hey, all UFC guys, just no heel hooks.

00:31:41.000 Even, like, Aldo just did that match for them, and the only thing they couldn't do was no heel hooks.

00:31:45.000 Just because of, like, no tearing.

00:31:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:47.000 But, like, at Leglock or, like, Craig or anyone else, like, you still have all those other submissions you can do.

00:31:52.000 So, it's not like you're getting handicapped that fucking bad, where, like, people were giving me shit online, like, oh, you had a handicap on this and that. 0.97

00:31:59.000 I'm like, I'm a UFC fighter. 0.99

00:32:00.000 Like, this was the rules.

00:32:02.000 I didn't, like, he...

00:32:03.000 You didn't make the rules.

00:32:04.000 You could kneebar me, you could straight ankle lock me, you could do all these other things.

00:32:07.000 So, you could toehold me, but...

00:32:09.000 Yeah, but I like that they don't do the heel hooks. 0.99

00:32:12.000 Yeah, it is a risky one, man.

00:32:13.000 I mean, how many guys have ripped their knee apart heel hooks?

00:32:16.000 Oh, yeah, it's bad.

00:32:17.000 A lot.

00:32:17.000 Yeah.

00:32:18.000 A lot.

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:18.000 Did you see that Mikey Musumechi one in 1FC where the guy wouldn't tap?

00:32:21.000 Horrible.

00:32:23.000 Horrible.

00:32:24.000 Dude, I can't watch that one.

00:32:26.000 He ripped that guy's knee apart.

00:32:28.000 I don't know how that guy's doing right now.

00:32:30.000 He's probably not doing well.

00:32:31.000 I gotta imagine his knee is ruined for the rest of his life.

00:32:34.000 Was it um...

00:32:35.000 See if you can find that video, because it's so hard to watch, because we were talking about Mikey before.

00:32:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:41.000 Because he's calling out some dude who's a bully.

00:32:43.000 Yeah. 0.71

00:32:44.000 Dude, he destroys this guy's knee.

00:32:47.000 I mean, destroys it.

00:32:48.000 The guy won't tap.

00:32:49.000 He's got him in a knee bar here.

00:32:50.000 The guy won't tap.

00:32:51.000 So now he adjusts, and now he's ripping it sideways.

00:32:54.000 I mean, look at the guy's knee.

00:32:56.000 Look at the motion of his knee. 0.99

00:32:58.000 Oh, god damn! 0.99

00:32:59.000 So you see the way he's holding that? 0.99

00:33:03.000 Yeah.

00:33:03.000 He calls that the Mikey Lock.

00:33:06.000 And the guys I train with at Movement Art, they show it.

00:33:09.000 And dude, it's nasty. 0.99

00:33:12.000 He's a monster, man. 0.99

00:33:13.000 He's so good.

00:33:14.000 I heard he does very well against all the biggest, like even guys who are a lot bigger than him.

00:33:18.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:33:19.000 He's so technical.

00:33:20.000 Well, we were just talking about Craig.

00:33:22.000 How about Craig versus Vinny?

00:33:24.000 Oh yeah, he broke his leg.

00:33:26.000 Broke his leg and Vinny wouldn't tap.

00:33:27.000 I'm like, bro.

00:33:29.000 And Craig's like, your leg's broken.

00:33:31.000 And then he went again.

00:33:32.000 And then he finally was like, alright, I'm done.

00:33:34.000 I'm done.

00:33:35.000 Insane.

00:33:35.000 But yeah, I did that match with Craig and I did another one with Ben Saunders.

00:33:39.000 And it was the same thing.

00:33:40.000 Same rules, just no heel hook. 0.94

00:33:43.000 Yeah, but beating Craig Jones in a grappling match, even if there's no heel hooks.

00:33:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:47.000 Dude, that was gigantic.

00:33:48.000 I just went into it, I'm like...

00:33:50.000 I'm going to stay on top.

00:33:51.000 I played by the rules.

00:33:52.000 And I'm like, if he doesn't sweep me or get under me, I'm going to win.

00:33:55.000 And then there was odds for it.

00:33:58.000 I was like an 18 to 1 underdog or something like that.

00:34:03.000 He was supposed to smoke me, which he should have. 1.00

00:34:04.000 But people were giving me shit online. 0.99

00:34:06.000 I'm like, listen, I just went in there and just did what I knew I was going to do. 0.99

00:34:11.000 And that was it.

00:34:12.000 Oh, so this is what happened to the dude.

00:34:15.000 Torn ACL, torn MCL, torn meniscus, and a broken ankle.

00:34:19.000 Oh my god.

00:34:22.000 So Mikey said, I'm really sick to my stomach.

00:34:24.000 I never felt someone's leg explode like that in a match.

00:34:27.000 Oh my god.

00:34:28.000 He goes, I've been training for 22 years.

00:34:29.000 I never broke someone's leg that much.

00:34:31.000 I've broken a lot of legs, he said, but that leg exploded. 0.62

00:34:35.000 I didn't know what to do and it was disgusting and gross. 0.81

00:34:38.000 I really wish he tapped.

00:34:39.000 The result didn't change and now he's in the hospital.

00:34:41.000 So I don't know.

00:34:42.000 But what a warrior is for showing his will.

00:34:45.000 I mean, the dude is a warrior, but I mean, that's crazy.

00:34:49.000 You gotta tap.

00:34:49.000 You're losing anyway.

00:34:51.000 For sure.

00:34:52.000 Tap.

00:34:52.000 Just tap.

00:34:53.000 Knees, shoulders.

00:34:55.000 Like, I'd rather almost not tap, maybe, like, if I'm gonna pick something, it'd be like an arm bar.

00:35:00.000 A straight arm bar.

00:35:01.000 Where it's the elbow.

00:35:02.000 Kimura, your shoulder.

00:35:03.000 Not just the shoulder, but that spiral fracture.

00:35:06.000 Like when Frank Mir gave it to Minotauro and you see his arm snap.

00:35:09.000 Just like a chicken wing.

00:35:11.000 You're done.

00:35:12.000 That one's so scary.

00:35:13.000 Minotauro, he had a giant scar up his arm.

00:35:17.000 It was a spiral fracture.

00:35:19.000 When he rolled through the way he did.

00:35:21.000 It was beautiful, though.

00:35:23.000 When he turned it and he hit a snap.

00:35:24.000 Put it behind his back.

00:35:25.000 Oh, God.

00:35:27.000 Frank Mir has broken two arms of world champions.

00:35:30.000 Who else did he do?

00:35:31.000 Tim Sylvia.

00:35:32.000 Yeah.

00:35:32.000 Remember that?

00:35:32.000 Snapped his forearm in half.

00:35:35.000 He was good.

00:35:36.000 I was just watching him versus DC the other day.

00:35:39.000 When I'm on the Echo bike, I always just watch fights, and I was watching him versus DC, and... 1.00

00:35:43.000 I'm like, damn, DC was a motherfucker back in the day. 0.99

00:35:46.000 Oh, dude. 0.99

00:35:47.000 And he was not even really a heavyweight.

00:35:49.000 No.

00:35:49.000 He was so small.

00:35:50.000 DC could have been a 185. He was so small.

00:35:52.000 Yeah, look at him.

00:35:53.000 Look at him. 0.96

00:35:54.000 I mean, he carried around so much body fat, but his wrestling was so fucking high level, man. 0.98

00:35:59.000 And he's such a tank. 0.97

00:36:02.000 The outside, like, high crotches he would hit when he dumps the dudes. 0.83

00:36:05.000 Yeah.

00:36:07.000 No, DC was the man.

00:36:09.000 And he was actually hurting Frank on the...

00:36:11.000 I don't think there was one takedown scored on either side here.

00:36:15.000 I think they just struck the whole time, but DC kind of just put it on them.

00:36:20.000 DC was an animal, man.

00:36:21.000 Yeah.

00:36:22.000 And that was one of those things, iron sharpens iron, because DC was training with Cain Velasquez.

00:36:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:36:27.000 Cain was the fucking man. 1.00

00:36:30.000 Kane, that's another guy. 1.00

00:36:32.000 When people look at all-time greats, you gotta look at them when they're in their prime.

00:36:37.000 Sometimes guys get injured, they fall apart, things happen, they get old, and then you're looking at these fights where they're getting beaten up.

00:36:43.000 You can't look at those fights.

00:36:44.000 You gotta look at the fights like, When they were their highest RPMs, how did they perform?

00:36:49.000 Anderson, same thing.

00:36:50.000 Guys who are watching fights now, I'm like, you guys don't.

00:36:52.000 I remember they came to Philly, it was Anderson versus Forrest Griffin.

00:36:58.000 That's when I first got into watching fights.

00:37:01.000 I think it was 2009. And he did that step back and was dipping the punches and hit him once and Forrest just quit.

00:37:08.000 I'm like, this guy's the best.

00:37:11.000 And he moved up to 205 for that.

00:37:13.000 I heard that Forrest though got knocked out twice in camp.

00:37:17.000 Yeah.

00:37:18.000 For that fight.

00:37:19.000 That's what I had heard.

00:37:21.000 Oh, it happens all the time.

00:37:23.000 And I think that's true because I think Forrest at that time was, you know, Forrest is, look at it.

00:37:29.000 He wanted to help him up.

00:37:31.000 Jesus, right here.

00:37:32.000 He's just like...

00:37:33.000 It was just complete different levels.

00:37:36.000 Yeah, I think he ran out of the arena.

00:37:38.000 Yeah, it's that right hand.

00:37:41.000 That's it.

00:37:42.000 But I genuinely think that those concussions that he got in camp had an effect.

00:37:49.000 There's quite a few times where you see guys fight and you're like, man, something's wrong.

00:37:54.000 That guy got knocked out too easy.

00:37:56.000 And then you'll hear, oh, he got knocked out in training two weeks ago.

00:38:00.000 And that... 1.00

00:38:02.000 Even if you don't get knocked out, you're fucking getting hit in your head. 0.99

00:38:06.000 You might not be going out, but I definitely left practice before, and I'm like, damn, I'm fuzzy. 0.99

00:38:12.000 Guys are definitely...

00:38:13.000 We're pretty controlled.

00:38:14.000 I only go with guys I trust, too.

00:38:16.000 And that's something I think you have to do.

00:38:19.000 Guys I only try...

00:38:21.000 Injuries can happen, but I'm not going to try to knock you out.

00:38:24.000 You're not going to try to knock me out.

00:38:26.000 And you have that agreeance.

00:38:27.000 Because that's how a small team like our team...

00:38:30.000 All of us came up in the same gym.

00:38:32.000 We have one head coach.

00:38:35.000 I'm working with Dean Thomas now.

00:38:37.000 I love Dean.

00:38:38.000 The best.

00:38:39.000 He's the man.

00:38:40.000 He's coming down to Philly all the time.

00:38:41.000 He was in my corner for that fight.

00:38:43.000 Great addition to the team, but he loves our team. 1.00

00:38:45.000 We're a small team, but we just fuck in. 1.00

00:38:47.000 We just grind, and we just want everyone to keep getting better, but John Marquez is our head coach, and we go hard, but now, if it gets out of control, he steps right in and shuts that shit down. 1.00

00:38:58.000 That's great. 0.99

00:38:59.000 We're all wearing headgear now. 0.98

00:39:01.000 I fucking hate headgear, though, because I just feel like you get hit more. 0.99

00:39:04.000 Right. 0.98

00:39:04.000 So I got a headgear from Onyx, and it's the small one, and it's thin, you can actually see. 0.98

00:39:10.000 So it's Trevor Whitman's.

00:39:11.000 Yup.

00:39:11.000 I hit them up, and they sent it right out to me, and it's good, like, because you can grapple with it.

00:39:16.000 He makes the best shit. 1.00

00:39:16.000 Best shit. 1.00

00:39:17.000 The best shit, the best gloves. 1.00

00:39:18.000 They sent me gloves, and I was like, yo, can I get your MMA gloves? 0.99

00:39:21.000 Like, I'll pay whatever it costs, and Gaethje was like, nah, they're not out yet.

00:39:25.000 I'm like, alright, well, when they're out.

00:39:27.000 Dude, the UFC, I don't know what happened.

00:39:30.000 I don't know how it went wrong.

00:39:31.000 But the UFC was talking to Trevor about using his MMA gloves.

00:39:36.000 He has absolutely superior MMA gloves.

00:39:39.000 They're the best.

00:39:40.000 No one even comes close.

00:39:42.000 And when you make a fist with those, it actually encourages a closed fist.

00:39:47.000 You have to work to open your hands like this.

00:39:50.000 You have to actually work against the glove.

00:39:53.000 Whereas the UFC gloves, they kind of open your hand up more and you have to work to close it. 0.98

00:39:58.000 The arm, like, you fucking know. 0.73

00:40:00.000 That arm pump we get from when I put, like, I get the smallest hand wraps. 0.97

00:40:05.000 Like, I tell whoever's wrapped, I'm like, give me a grappler's wrap. 0.96

00:40:07.000 Like, I almost want nothing because once you have that wrap on, you have the glove on, like, when you're trying to close your fist, I'm like, I'm getting fucking arm pumped just from trying to close my fucking It's Trevor. 0.97

00:40:26.000 I'm telling you. 0.97

00:40:26.000 It's Trevor's gloves. 0.97

00:40:27.000 I should probably reinstitute these talks and try to get it going again.

00:40:32.000 I really should.

00:40:33.000 You know what?

00:40:33.000 I'm going to do that.

00:40:34.000 Because they're superior.

00:40:36.000 They're absolutely the best gloves.

00:40:37.000 It's a problem.

00:40:37.000 It's a problem, for sure.

00:40:39.000 I don't know what happened, what went wrong, but Trevor uses superior foam.

00:40:43.000 Yeah.

00:40:43.000 Like, if you use his boxing gloves...

00:40:45.000 Oh, I have them.

00:40:46.000 They're great.

00:40:46.000 They're the best.

00:40:47.000 They mold to your hand.

00:40:48.000 Yeah, they're the best.

00:40:49.000 They mold to your hand.

00:40:50.000 And it's also their superior protection, too.

00:40:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:52.000 Like, he's done demonstrations where he shows how much better the foam he uses to other cheaper foam.

00:40:57.000 Because it's fighters making stuff for fighters.

00:41:00.000 Right.

00:41:00.000 It's not people who aren't doing it.

00:41:02.000 Right.

00:41:02.000 Gaethje's the best one to do it and then obviously Trevor too like they're an amazing combo and they're making amazing shit like the headgear is great because headgears like your windows this big next thing you know like you're trying to kick box and you can't see the guy's legs you're getting fucking kicked in the head exactly and you're trying to shoot you're shooting into a knee but his like super wide and it's so thin and you're really just wearing it to prevent cuts right because Realistically,

00:41:26.000 if you have a big-ass headgear on, when I see someone wearing a headgear, I'm like, that's a bigger fucking target. 0.99

00:41:31.000 It's going to be easier to hit. 0.99

00:41:32.000 But with a small one, it's just enough padding.

00:41:35.000 Just enough to keep you safe.

00:41:37.000 Remember Mike Tyson back in the day?

00:41:38.000 He used to wear the real thin one.

00:41:39.000 The real thin one when he was training.

00:41:41.000 It was almost like a wrestling headgear.

00:41:44.000 Yeah, I think that's the way to go.

00:41:48.000 It's just unfortunate that There's no other way around it.

00:41:52.000 There's nothing better.

00:41:53.000 There's no better solution.

00:41:55.000 If you want to prevent cuts, you're kicking and punching.

00:41:58.000 I do not like when people have the face bar.

00:42:02.000 You can't see.

00:42:04.000 I wore that for a while.

00:42:06.000 I broke my nose so many times.

00:42:08.000 But in the beginning of training camps, I broke my nose. 0.99

00:42:11.000 So you have to spar the entire camp with that nose guard, and it fucking sucks, and it still touches your nose, and you probably get fucked up more with it on. 0.99

00:42:19.000 You definitely get more headshots. 1.00

00:42:21.000 Oh, yeah, because you can't see shit. 1.00

00:42:22.000 With a big headgear, yeah. 0.99

00:42:23.000 You can't see shit, and that bar, it sticks out, like, this far, so that bar gets touched, and it would touch your nose, so... 0.97

00:42:30.000 I would even wear basketball players. 0.99

00:42:33.000 The one basketball player always wore it.

00:42:35.000 I forget what his name was.

00:42:36.000 But I would wear this plastic shield on my face even when I would roll. 0.99

00:42:40.000 Because my nose would be fucked up. 0.98

00:42:41.000 I'm like, I can't miss training. 0.95

00:42:42.000 And that's what we were talking about earlier. 0.99

00:42:44.000 I'm like, maybe I should stay the fuck home. 0.98

00:42:46.000 But I'd be in the gym. 1.00

00:42:47.000 I was duct taping it to my head and shit. 0.99

00:42:49.000 But, yeah, it's getting better with the innovation, but we got a long way to go, though. 0.98

00:42:53.000 So, you were telling me that you had hurt your hand in the Kelvin fight, but it's not a break.

00:42:59.000 Not a break.

00:43:00.000 So, you're just trying to, like, let it rehab or recover.

00:43:03.000 So, I'm trying to, and that's, like, me trying to be smart a little bit.

00:43:07.000 At my older age of 31 there, I'm just trying to let it heal.

00:43:10.000 And before I get back, I just don't want to start another training camp with an injury.

00:43:15.000 Whereas before, I would do that, but...

00:43:17.000 Yeah, I'm just trying to be smart, like maybe get some stem cells and some shit like that, and just rest it.

00:43:23.000 Let me see if Brigham got back to me.

00:43:26.000 Not yet.

00:43:27.000 I'll call him when we get out of here, but I think we can get in there.

00:43:30.000 But yeah, just rest.

00:43:31.000 But I can still work on my kicks, I can still punch, and so, yeah.

00:43:37.000 You're always getting in training.

00:43:38.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:39.000 That was a big win for you, man.

00:43:41.000 Kelvin, I really think, and I've said this to Kelvin, this is back when he was fighting in 85 after he knocked out Bisping.

00:43:48.000 I was like, dude, I think you're a world champion at 170. I really do.

00:43:53.000 This was years ago.

00:43:54.000 He just didn't want to make that weight cut.

00:43:56.000 And he's not a big guy.

00:43:57.000 He's not big, man.

00:43:59.000 He's not.

00:43:59.000 He's not even big for 170. No, he's not.

00:44:02.000 Guys like Philly.

00:44:04.000 When I grabbed him, I was like, oh, these are the easiest takedowns I've ever got in my life.

00:44:10.000 I couldn't believe how easy it was to get him down. 0.97

00:44:13.000 And even when I wrapped around his legs, he has a big framed upper body, but his legs, I would lock under his butt. 0.98

00:44:19.000 They're small. 0.98

00:44:20.000 And it was so easy to take him down.

00:44:23.000 Like I was saying to you earlier, I walk around 195, 200, most guys, we're not...

00:44:28.000 I think he's better off at middleweight, because I think he found a niche where he was a lot faster than a lot of those guys.

00:44:34.000 So like Bisbon, he was in and out on them, Tim Kennedy, all these guys he was fucking up with his hands, he was just a lot faster then.

00:44:41.000 Well the Tim Kennedy fight, I know for sure, for a fact, that Tim Kennedy over-trained.

00:44:45.000 Yeah.

00:44:46.000 Because Tim Kennedy, who's known for his cardio, gassed out in that fight.

00:44:51.000 I watched that fight a million times.

00:44:52.000 The fight sucks because Tim's a friend. 0.97

00:44:56.000 I watched him get beat up. 0.91

00:44:58.000 Because I know how good he is when he beat Bisping. 1.00

00:45:01.000 Tim Kennedy was a fucking monster. 1.00

00:45:04.000 And he just went through two camps in a row. 1.00

00:45:08.000 Yeah, and it's almost like in our minds, we always think more is better.

00:45:13.000 And I'll take a day off now, or even just a session, like a night session, and I'll come in the next day, and you want to get after it more.

00:45:21.000 It gives you that, like, I fucking can't wait to get back in there.

00:45:24.000 And then you feel fresh when you go into that. 0.93

00:45:27.000 We'll train until...

00:45:28.000 8.30, 9 o'clock at night, and then we have practice at 9.30 the next morning.

00:45:32.000 So you're at the gym, you go home, you sleep, you're right back at the gym.

00:45:36.000 I do the same drive from my house to the gym. 0.55

00:45:39.000 I could close my eyes and drive there, because I'm there all day fucking long. 0.93

00:45:44.000 But when you have those little breaks in between, you go back in, you're like, alright, I can't wait to fucking get back in here.

00:45:49.000 Yeah, that was interesting talking to Bo Nickel about that because Bo takes two days off a week.

00:45:54.000 Yeah, I listened to that.

00:45:55.000 Yeah, and I was like, why do you do that?

00:45:57.000 And he's like, it's the right way to do it.

00:45:59.000 Sundays are my day.

00:46:01.000 I try to do nothing.

00:46:04.000 Not lift.

00:46:05.000 I'll go on a long walk or walk my dog or run my dog or something like that, but I try.

00:46:10.000 No training on Sunday, regardless.

00:46:12.000 But I think two days is probably the way to go.

00:46:15.000 Or even like Thursday, like I'll do a jujitsu session in the morning and take the rest of the day off.

00:46:20.000 And that'll be like a lighter day or something like that because we're doing so, like I've counted my sessions and by the end of it, including like every workout I do, I'm at like 22 or 23 workouts in a week.

00:46:31.000 That's insane.

00:46:32.000 There's no other sport like it.

00:46:34.000 It's nuts.

00:46:35.000 And then we start, like, I'm eating, like, 3,000 calories, 2,700, 25, and I'm cutting my calories down.

00:46:42.000 And we still, in our minds, we're like, we have to keep that same workload.

00:46:47.000 Or ramp it up even more, because when you're in camp, you're going a little bit harder. 1.00

00:46:53.000 So it's a motherfucker. 1.00

00:46:54.000 It's good. 1.00

00:46:55.000 You gotta fuck with your mind. 1.00

00:46:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:57.000 Especially when you're cutting the calories down.

00:46:59.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:46:59.000 Because you're like, damn, I'm supposed to feel this way and I fucking feel like shit. 1.00

00:47:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:04.000 And you know it fights four weeks out, three weeks out, two weeks out. 0.99

00:47:07.000 And then if you miss a session, that's where you're like, oh, shit. 1.00

00:47:11.000 He's fucking training. 1.00

00:47:12.000 And I'm not fucking training. 0.99

00:47:14.000 But that's where you gotta be like, I'm recovering. 0.98

00:47:17.000 You gotta trust the process.

00:47:18.000 I have the sauna.

00:47:19.000 I have the ice.

00:47:20.000 I have the Norman Tech boots.

00:47:22.000 I have all these things.

00:47:23.000 But even just sleep.

00:47:25.000 I'm in bed, in training camp, like, no later than 9.30.

00:47:28.000 I have, like, 9.30 at night, I'm asleep, and I'm up at 6. Like, no matter what my schedule is.

00:47:34.000 Like, I'm fucking on that shit, and that's the best. 1.00

00:47:36.000 Like, sleep is the number one thing you can do. 1.00

00:47:40.000 100%.

00:47:40.000 Yeah, that's the superpower.

00:47:42.000 Tito Ortiz used to sleep 12 hours a night.

00:47:45.000 I wish I could sleep 12 hours a night. 0.99

00:47:46.000 Yeah, he would fucking close all the windows, the shades, make the room dark as fuck, and just conk out all night. 0.99

00:47:54.000 I think eight hours is minimum seven, like seven to nine, but if I get eight hours, I feel like that's the sweet spot for me. 0.99

00:48:01.000 I feel good.

00:48:03.000 It is interesting that this sport, which is relatively recent, the UFC didn't even exist before 1993, and yet guys here in 2024 are still kind of just...

00:48:16.000 Dialing it in.

00:48:17.000 And there's no established protocol that everyone uses.

00:48:21.000 Everyone's got their own kind of methods that you're using.

00:48:24.000 Different individual coaches.

00:48:25.000 I know guys who are high-level fighters who don't know dick about nutrition. 0.99

00:48:31.000 Don't know dick about nutrition, recovery, nothing. 0.96

00:48:34.000 And they're just naturally talented.

00:48:37.000 And I'm like, man, these guys don't even know.

00:48:39.000 Yeah.

00:48:40.000 So it is crazy.

00:48:42.000 It's going to be crazy to see where it goes.

00:48:44.000 But like you were saying about Tim though, I hit up Tim before I was coming out here. 0.95

00:48:47.000 Before my hand was hurting me too much, I was going to try to work out with him because he does some fucking hard ass workouts. 0.99

00:48:54.000 And I love that shit. 0.99

00:48:55.000 So he told me he was traveling, but I'm going to come back and train with Gordon and train with Tim. 1.00

00:49:01.000 Because Tim's a motherfucker. 1.00

00:49:02.000 He's a savage, bro. 1.00

00:49:03.000 No, he does some animal shit. 1.00

00:49:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:05.000 His cardio sessions are legendary. 1.00

00:49:08.000 Yeah, I love it.

00:49:08.000 On the ski herbs.

00:49:09.000 I love that shit. 1.00

00:49:11.000 It'd be super fun to get in on that. 1.00

00:49:13.000 And the guy's not even fighting anymore. 0.98

00:49:14.000 He's still in a fucking tip-top. 1.00

00:49:17.000 He's an animal. 1.00

00:49:18.000 He's jacked. 0.97

00:49:19.000 Yeah, and that fight always bothered me.

00:49:22.000 That Kelvin fight.

00:49:23.000 I knew what was wrong with him.

00:49:25.000 He had had a fight, he went into camp, and then the fight got cancelled, and then it got rescheduled.

00:49:32.000 He either got rescheduled or got a new opponent.

00:49:34.000 I remember which happened, but then he went right back into camp.

00:49:37.000 So he's essentially in camp for like...

00:49:40.000 Probably 16 weeks?

00:49:40.000 Yeah, something nuts.

00:49:42.000 Where you can't.

00:49:43.000 You just can't do that.

00:49:44.000 You can't, you can't.

00:49:44.000 Your body's gonna break down.

00:49:45.000 And then you're caught in weight, and then you have to gain the weight back because you don't want to stay too low. 0.99

00:49:49.000 Like, that's where it starts to get like, this is fucked up. 0.98

00:49:53.000 Like, I need to let my body recover. 0.97

00:49:57.000 There's some guys where I look at them and I'm like, how are you making...

00:50:00.000 Like Joe.

00:50:01.000 How are you making 185, Joe Piver?

00:50:03.000 Yeah, he's a big boy.

00:50:04.000 How are you making 185?

00:50:05.000 He's a big boy.

00:50:05.000 That doesn't even make sense.

00:50:06.000 He's so big. 0.99

00:50:08.000 He's so fucking big, man. 0.99

00:50:10.000 He gets to like 215, 220. That's it? 0.99

00:50:13.000 No, he doesn't get that big.

00:50:14.000 He looks even bigger than that.

00:50:15.000 He looks like 230. No, no, no.

00:50:18.000 He looks big.

00:50:18.000 Yeah, he does.

00:50:19.000 He does.

00:50:19.000 When he's in the octagon, this is a heavyweight almost.

00:50:22.000 Yeah, he's a big boy.

00:50:23.000 But like 215, 220 for him, he's got a big fight coming up.

00:50:26.000 He's fighting Hermanson.

00:50:28.000 That's right.

00:50:28.000 At a main event.

00:50:29.000 Yeah, that's a good fight for him.

00:50:30.000 Yeah, that's a good fight. 1.00

00:50:31.000 That motherfucker hit so hard. 0.99

00:50:33.000 We should tell everybody that he broke Francis Ngannou's record on that punch machine. 1.00

00:50:38.000 And they weren't trying to give it to him or something like that.

00:50:40.000 Yeah, they didn't want to register it.

00:50:42.000 I don't understand why.

00:50:43.000 I've trained and been hit by- Why didn't he want to give it to him?

00:50:45.000 I don't know.

00:50:46.000 The guy was saying like something was weird with the machine and Joey was like, he did it like three times.

00:50:51.000 Like three times in a row.

00:50:52.000 Oh, so the guy didn't want to believe it.

00:50:53.000 Yeah, he didn't believe that it was real.

00:50:56.000 Like how hard Joey was hitting it.

00:50:58.000 Like Joey, Joey cracks.

00:51:00.000 He's by far the hardest person I've ever been hit by.

00:51:02.000 Who was his last fight?

00:51:09.000 He submitted him!

00:51:10.000 Yeah, but bro, he was putting it on him before that.

00:51:13.000 He's on another level right now.

00:51:15.000 Joe's good.

00:51:16.000 But there's a real clear difference every time you see him in the Octagon.

00:51:20.000 He's just getting better.

00:51:22.000 Like at a high accelerated rate.

00:51:25.000 Like I said, me, him, Jeremiah, Andre Petrovsky is another one.

00:51:29.000 Dude, we have a good squad.

00:51:32.000 It's a small gym in Philly. 0.98

00:51:35.000 We're on a fucking fourth floor in an old warehouse in a pretty bad neighborhood in Philly. 0.97

00:51:40.000 But it's awesome. 0.98

00:51:42.000 Well, there's two schools of thought, right?

00:51:44.000 There's one school of thought.

00:51:45.000 You should be in the biggest camp possible, like ATT. They're bringing in people.

00:51:48.000 But, you know, I've talked to guys that train there and go, yeah, but then you're in these sparring sessions with these Russian guys you've never heard of, and they're fucking straight-up killers. 1.00

00:51:56.000 Yep, and that's the creep. 0.98

00:51:57.000 We're starting to get an info.

00:51:58.000 Like, we have a good group of Russian guys coming in.

00:52:00.000 I have this kid, Igor.

00:52:01.000 He's, like, my main training partner.

00:52:02.000 I think he's 4-0.

00:52:04.000 Kids came over as a refugee from Ukraine. 1.00

00:52:06.000 He's one of the—he's a fucking savage. 1.00

00:52:08.000 Dude, he got carjacked in Philly. 1.00

00:52:10.000 Whoa.

00:52:11.000 Bro.

00:52:12.000 I don't know if Jamie can go on my Instagram.

00:52:14.000 It's pinned to the top.

00:52:15.000 He was delivering for Uber Eats and two guys came up to him.

00:52:19.000 They showed him his gun and he didn't know what was going on.

00:52:22.000 He walks over to his car. 0.99

00:52:23.000 They're fucking stealing his car. 0.99

00:52:25.000 He's hanging on the side of the car. 1.00

00:52:27.000 They're going 40 miles an hour.

00:52:28.000 They shoot at him two times.

00:52:30.000 Oh my god.

00:52:31.000 They shot at him while he was hanging on to the car.

00:52:33.000 They shot at him two times.

00:52:34.000 Yeah.

00:52:35.000 Oh my god.

00:52:37.000 How did he get out of this?

00:52:40.000 They point a gun at him right here, and then he's like, alright, let me off. 1.00

00:52:43.000 The dude told him, like, I'm going to fucking shoot you. 0.99

00:52:45.000 And he finally gets off. 1.00

00:52:49.000 Jesus Christ.

00:52:49.000 In the beginning of the video, you can hear him.

00:52:51.000 He gets shot at.

00:52:52.000 Who's filming this?

00:52:53.000 Just some dude in a car behind him.

00:52:56.000 Did they ever find the car?

00:52:58.000 No, they didn't.

00:52:58.000 So we actually started a GoFundMe for him, and I raised like $15,000 for him, and he got a new car.

00:53:04.000 Oh.

00:53:05.000 But yeah, they shoot at him.

00:53:07.000 And what people don't realize, he's hanging on this car.

00:53:09.000 They're like, oh, why won't he just let it go?

00:53:12.000 His documents are all in the car. 0.99

00:53:13.000 So all the money these guys have to pay for lawyers and shit like that, yeah, all of his shit was in his car. 0.99

00:53:20.000 And he just came from practice and was fucking doing Uber Eats. 1.00

00:53:23.000 So he doesn't have any money to fucking pay these lawyers and shit. 1.00

00:53:27.000 Wow. 1.00

00:53:28.000 Crazy, but...

00:53:29.000 Philly's wild right now.

00:53:30.000 Yeah, Philly's wild.

00:53:32.000 I carry everywhere I go in Philly. 1.00

00:53:35.000 I do, I don't know, fuck around. 0.97

00:53:37.000 But his best friend, Jaroslav from Bellator, I don't know how to say his last name, he's going to come over and train with us too. 0.97

00:53:44.000 So I brought in Drew Dober in my last camp, so we have Neil Magny come in, Eric Anders was just up, so our gym's starting to get recognized, which is That's awesome. 0.98

00:53:53.000 Well, I mean for a small gym you got six guys fighting in the UFC and a bunch of fucking real killers. 0.94

00:53:59.000 That's amazing. 0.80

00:54:01.000 We got a couple like Pat's fighting in AC, Andre's fighting in AC, so we'll all be only kind of like fighting around the same times, which there's nothing better than that.

00:54:10.000 Like when your teammates are fighting and you're in camp, it sucks being in camp when you're by yourself. 1.00

00:54:14.000 You're like fuck. 1.00

00:54:15.000 When you went to the Bilal fight, were you 13-0, 14-0? 1.00

00:54:19.000 15. 15-0.

00:54:20.000 Wow.

00:54:21.000 Yeah, 15-0.

00:54:22.000 That's a bitter pill to swallow, right?

00:54:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:54:25.000 It sucked. 0.90

00:54:27.000 I thought it was going to be the worst thing that ever happened to me. 0.86

00:54:29.000 And I kind of...

00:54:30.000 Going into that, I just didn't feel right.

00:54:33.000 Travel...

00:54:34.000 First time I've ever left the country.

00:54:36.000 I've never been outside of the United States.

00:54:37.000 Travel there.

00:54:38.000 All my coaches were getting sick.

00:54:40.000 They were all super jet-lagged.

00:54:42.000 And all week, I just kept having these... 0.99

00:54:45.000 I thought, I'm like, I'm going to lose this fucking fight. 1.00

00:54:48.000 And usually you have those thoughts, but I couldn't flip my mind back to like, yo, you're going to win this shit. 0.99

00:54:54.000 Because you always have doubts, but I was having dreams I was going to lose. 0.97

00:54:59.000 And I'm like, dude, I can't get this out of my head.

00:55:01.000 And I told my wife the day before, I was like, I had a dream last night, I lost.

00:55:06.000 I thought when I lost, I thought being undefeated...

00:55:09.000 It gets tied to you.

00:55:11.000 Everyone sees you. 0.99

00:55:11.000 They're like, you're going to fucking be the champion. 0.99

00:55:14.000 You're going to stay undefeated. 1.00

00:55:15.000 Then you become like, damn. 1.00

00:55:18.000 I'm not even fighting to win this fight. 0.99

00:55:19.000 I'm just fighting just to stay undefeated, if that makes sense.

00:55:22.000 I'm like, I can't lose this record.

00:55:24.000 In the fight...

00:55:26.000 First round, it was super competitive.

00:55:29.000 I went back and watched it, and I did a lot better than I thought I did.

00:55:33.000 And then in the second, I got clipped, and I was there the entire time, but I just couldn't throw.

00:55:41.000 I just kind of quit.

00:55:42.000 I just didn't know what to do in that moment.

00:55:45.000 That's the only time I ever quit on myself.

00:55:47.000 Like, practice, anything.

00:55:49.000 And ever since then, like, I started working with two mental performance coaches, and I'm just, like, a completely different person now.

00:55:56.000 But it's the best thing that ever happened to me.

00:55:58.000 That's a lot of times fighters say that.

00:56:00.000 It's like, you need to feel the sting of defeat.

00:56:03.000 I'm telling you Joe the minute I lost it felt like like a fucking like a Bronco was lifted off my shoulders like I was so like I was like yo like this is gonna be this is gonna be the best thing ever happened me because the just the pressure of being undefeated let it go like every time like I was going to fight I'm like I had the pressure of not only just losing and what comes with losing but I'm like If I lose my record,

00:56:26.000 it's over. 0.98

00:56:27.000 And then I'm like, it's one fucking fight. 0.99

00:56:29.000 I've won 15 fights in a row. 0.99

00:56:31.000 I lost one fight.

00:56:32.000 It's not how it works.

00:56:34.000 And I just thought my life was going to implode.

00:56:37.000 And it didn't.

00:56:39.000 I had a hard...

00:56:40.000 Like I said, I came home and I definitely trained way too hard because I wanted to come back and fight again. 0.98

00:56:44.000 And I fucked myself up doing that. 0.98

00:56:46.000 But that even gave me more time to sit and reflect with myself and just get my shit right and realize... 0.97

00:56:53.000 Like, it's not, it's not, it doesn't mean everything to be undefeated. 0.84

00:56:57.000 Like, the best fighters in the world take losses, and yeah, I needed that, for sure.

00:57:02.000 Yeah, the only one who didn't is Jon.

00:57:03.000 Jon Jones, the only one who didn't.

00:57:05.000 But if Khabib would have stuck around long enough, you know, so you never, he had a couple close ones, close one with Gleason Tebow.

00:57:12.000 Gleason Tebow is very debatable.

00:57:14.000 I watched that fight a lot.

00:57:16.000 Yeah, very close.

00:57:17.000 But you have a 50% chance of going, you're going to win or you're going to lose.

00:57:22.000 When you're fighting the best guys in the world, Bilal is good.

00:57:25.000 I know I can beat Bilal, but I'm happy for him.

00:57:27.000 He went on, he beat Gilbert, he's going to fight for the belt next.

00:57:30.000 Is that established?

00:57:32.000 Is he definitely fighting for the belt next?

00:57:33.000 They haven't announced it, but there's nobody else.

00:57:36.000 No.

00:57:36.000 I would hope nobody leaves Broxam.

00:57:38.000 He deserves it.

00:57:39.000 He deserves it.

00:57:40.000 100%.

00:57:41.000 He's being the most guys in the top 10. I think he's on a 10-fight win streak.

00:57:46.000 Yeah, he deserves it.

00:57:47.000 And I think he has a good chance of doing really well.

00:57:50.000 And they also fought before he got eye-poked.

00:57:54.000 It's there for him.

00:57:56.000 He deserves it and he should get it.

00:57:58.000 And I'm happy for him.

00:57:58.000 I don't know why he gets so much hate.

00:58:01.000 He's not a bad dude. 0.99

00:58:03.000 He trains fucking hard. 0.97

00:58:05.000 He won't even swear. 0.99

00:58:07.000 You know when he was in here? 1.00

00:58:08.000 I'm fucking cursing a million times. 1.00

00:58:10.000 He would say, what the fudge? 1.00

00:58:12.000 He says, what the fudge? 1.00

00:58:14.000 You're a goddamn cage fighter. 1.00

00:58:16.000 He gets a lot of hate, but I'm happy for him. 1.00

00:58:18.000 That's going to be a good fight.

00:58:21.000 He's a big guy for 170, man.

00:58:23.000 Bilal's very large. 0.99

00:58:25.000 He's not a small 170 at all.

00:58:27.000 That's gonna be a good fight.

00:58:29.000 Very good fight.

00:58:30.000 I wasn't super impressed with that Colby-Leon fight.

00:58:36.000 You weren't?

00:58:37.000 No.

00:58:37.000 Definitely not on Colby's side.

00:58:39.000 No, not on Colby's side.

00:58:40.000 I was impressed with Leon.

00:58:41.000 I want the Colby fight.

00:58:43.000 I think that the problem in that Colby fight is Leon.

00:58:46.000 He was so dangerous.

00:58:48.000 He was so sharp. 1.00

00:58:49.000 He's so technical on his feet, and I think in that fight he was, you know, because Colby talked so much shit. 1.00

00:58:56.000 The shit with his dad was fucked up. 1.00

00:58:58.000 Fucked up. 1.00

00:59:00.000 Say whatever you want about me, my team, whatever, but, like, you start talking about people's, like, their parents, their wives, their kids, especially if one of them's dead, like, you're a fucking... 1.00

00:59:09.000 Like, that shit you get fucked up in the parking lot for. 1.00

00:59:11.000 Like, you don't do shit like that, you know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:59:13.000 Well, you know, that's Colby. 0.99

00:59:14.000 He's the master at getting under people's skin, but I think in that fight it backfired.

00:59:18.000 Yeah, and he looked...

00:59:20.000 I was watching, and I'm like, what the?

00:59:22.000 I didn't know what was happening with him.

00:59:23.000 He just wasn't doing anything.

00:59:25.000 No, he didn't look good.

00:59:26.000 And then Leon shot on him and was like, I think he would just make a point.

00:59:29.000 I can take you down.

00:59:31.000 And he did. 0.99

00:59:32.000 No, Leon's fucking good. 0.97

00:59:33.000 Yeah, his grappling is very good. 0.98

00:59:35.000 Leon's good.

00:59:36.000 But he got reversed a couple of times.

00:59:38.000 So he shot and then Colby kind of switched it up.

00:59:42.000 I think that was where the tactical errors were made.

00:59:46.000 That's what I was critiquing at the fight.

00:59:48.000 I was like, I don't think he fought the smartest way.

00:59:50.000 Because I think he could have avoided those exchanges and he had this massive advantage in the stand-up.

00:59:55.000 Super clean.

00:59:56.000 He would have came out of that fight like...

00:59:58.000 Unscathed, if he didn't do that.

01:00:01.000 He still won the fight handily, but at the end of the fight, when Kobe's on top of him at the very end of the fight, that doesn't look good.

01:00:08.000 He won, 100%.

01:00:10.000 He looked great.

01:00:11.000 And on the feet, man, he is so sharp. 0.99

01:00:14.000 His south ball is really fucking good. 1.00

01:00:17.000 He's sharp as fuck, man. 1.00

01:00:17.000 No, he's good, and he's long. 1.00

01:00:19.000 He's big, too. 0.99

01:00:19.000 We're all fucking... 0.99

01:00:20.000 All 70-pounders are big. 0.99

01:00:21.000 Yeah, there's the day of the 70-pounder walking around at 70. Those are gone.

01:00:26.000 Long gone.

01:00:27.000 55. Long gone.

01:00:27.000 Paul used to get up to 200 pounds when he'd fight at 55. I'm like, dude, I weigh 203 right now.

01:00:34.000 I'll be like, bro, you're eight pounds heavier than me.

01:00:37.000 But he'd be fat.

01:00:38.000 He'd be drinking IPAs.

01:00:40.000 After he would fight, he would get huge.

01:00:43.000 Like Patty Pimlet fat?

01:00:45.000 Not that fat. 0.99

01:00:46.000 That boy is fat. 0.79

01:00:48.000 He got fat so quick.

01:00:49.000 You see him in December after his fight?

01:00:51.000 His face...

01:00:53.000 He just goes on...

01:00:54.000 I'm like, dude, you're going to a different...

01:00:56.000 But we have... 1.00

01:00:57.000 Fighters have fucking eating disorders. 1.00

01:00:59.000 We 100% all have eating disorders because you're eating this way and then you're cutting out food and then you're craving all these foods. 1.00

01:01:06.000 It's a fucking... 0.99

01:01:07.000 It's a wild, wild way to live. 1.00

01:01:11.000 There's Patty now.

01:01:12.000 Look at him.

01:01:12.000 Look at all fat and happy.

01:01:14.000 Look how tight that shirt is on him.

01:01:16.000 It's so crazy how much weight he gains.

01:01:18.000 It's so nuts because he was shredded during that fight.

01:01:22.000 He gets big.

01:01:24.000 He does.

01:01:24.000 He gets big.

01:01:25.000 You know, he got a lot of shit from that Tony Ferguson fight, but I was very impressed. 0.98

01:01:28.000 I was very impressed with his grappling. 0.99

01:01:29.000 I was impressed with his striking.

01:01:30.000 I think everything looked better.

01:01:32.000 And at the end of the day, he won the fight.

01:01:33.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:01:34.000 He found a way to win.

01:01:35.000 He definitely, the third round got a little sketchy, but he found a way to win.

01:01:39.000 Yeah, but people saying that he didn't look good, and it's just, I thought he looked great.

01:01:44.000 You know, Tony Ferguson is still dangerous.

01:01:47.000 Yeah.

01:01:47.000 He's still dangerous.

01:01:48.000 I mean, he was dangerous in the Gaethje fight until Gaethje started beating him up.

01:01:51.000 He was, you know, dangerous in the Chandler fight.

01:01:54.000 Drop Chandler. 0.96

01:01:54.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:01:55.000 Like, he's still fucking dangerous, man. 0.99

01:01:57.000 I don't think people realize, like, You go in there, and you have 15 minutes, and you could have woke up that day, had the fucking worst headache. 1.00

01:02:04.000 You could feel like shit, or it just could not be your night. 0.98

01:02:07.000 So that's why, in that moment, you have to make the best of it, but some days, it's just not your day. 0.99

01:02:13.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:02:14.000 But in the gym, you get that day, you get to go back the next day.

01:02:18.000 But a guy like Tony, at what point does someone step in?

01:02:22.000 Now.

01:02:23.000 Yeah, it has to be.

01:02:24.000 It's what, six or seven fights?

01:02:26.000 I think it's seven in a row.

01:02:27.000 Yeah.

01:02:28.000 And it's not like...

01:02:30.000 If he would have won that fight, I would still like to see...

01:02:33.000 Me and my buddy, I was cheering, Tony, Tony! 0.86

01:02:36.000 And anytime he would do anything, just because I fucking love Tony Ferguson, but it's time. 0.56

01:02:42.000 Yeah, I think so. 0.99

01:02:42.000 And it was awesome having Goggins there and all that shit, but just hang it up. 0.99

01:02:49.000 You're just doing more damage, you know? 0.99

01:02:51.000 I also don't know what he's doing in training.

01:02:55.000 The Goggins stuff is great and everything like that, but who is he sparring with?

01:02:58.000 Is he sparring?

01:02:59.000 Are you doing skill work?

01:03:01.000 Yeah.

01:03:01.000 I don't know what he's doing.

01:03:02.000 If you're going to do this shit with Goggins, do that outside of training camp. 0.99

01:03:06.000 Do that when you don't have a fight. 0.99

01:03:08.000 You build up that aerobic capacity when you're not getting ready for a fight.

01:03:12.000 I'm sure he was, but it kind of seems like he always just did whatever he wanted to do.

01:03:17.000 Well, it worked for a long time when he was the boogeyman. 1.00

01:03:20.000 He was fucking... 0.99

01:03:21.000 Everybody up. 1.00

01:03:21.000 Those chokes that he was hitting on people, the Darces. 1.00

01:03:25.000 He would lock that shit on you and you were done. 1.00

01:03:29.000 Cowboy, he was cutting Cowboy up. 1.00

01:03:31.000 Pettis, he was fucking people up. 0.99

01:03:34.000 Tony was a real scary man for many, many years. 0.99

01:03:37.000 And then he tripped on one cord and it all changed. 0.99

01:03:40.000 Isn't that fucking crazy? 0.98

01:03:42.000 Getting ready for the Khabib fight, Madison Square Garden, massive fight, and trips over a court and just blows his knee out. 0.99

01:03:50.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:03:50.000 And then he came back from that super fast.

01:03:52.000 Beat Pettis, yeah.

01:03:54.000 Oh, he won after that?

01:03:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:55.000 Oh, he beat Pettis after that?

01:03:56.000 He beat the shit out of Pettis. 0.94

01:03:57.000 I remember the fight, he beat the shit out of Pettis, but I didn't know if that was before or after. 0.98

01:04:02.000 No, that was after.

01:04:02.000 That was his comeback fight.

01:04:03.000 Damn. 1.00

01:04:03.000 Because Pettis was kicking the shit out of that leg. 1.00

01:04:05.000 And it was only, if I want to remember correctly, five months or so after the surgery? 0.94

01:04:11.000 It was like five or seven months.

01:04:12.000 It was short.

01:04:13.000 Very quick. 0.99

01:04:14.000 Fucking short. 0.99

01:04:15.000 And I don't know shit about knees, but I know that sounds very short. 0.99

01:04:17.000 It was ridiculously short. 0.96

01:04:19.000 When I talked to people that knew about that surgery and knew about how bad his knee was, he did his own rehab.

01:04:26.000 Of course. 0.98

01:04:26.000 Yeah, he's just a maniac. 0.98

01:04:27.000 Yeah, but he was... 0.95

01:04:29.000 The man, but I think it's that time.

01:04:33.000 Father time wins all fights. 0.97

01:04:35.000 Like him, it was nice to see Cowboy be done when he was done, because like I was telling you earlier, when Cowboy was on, I think he was the best fighter in the fucking world. 0.99

01:04:46.000 He was so goddamn good, and he would fuck us all up down to the ranting. 0.98

01:04:51.000 Me, Jonovan Webb, Paul, he would beat the shit out of everybody, and then Yeah, like, even Jim Miller. 0.99

01:04:58.000 I remember him head-kicking Jim Miller when they first fought in AC, knocked him out, and then his last fight was Jim Miller, and Jim got the best of him.

01:05:05.000 So it's like, alright, it's time to...

01:05:08.000 Yeah, at a certain point in time...

01:05:10.000 But he knew, like, he knew, but look at him now. 0.98

01:05:12.000 He's fucking all saw-stop, he's... 1.00

01:05:14.000 Fuck it. 1.00

01:05:14.000 He looks great. 1.00

01:05:15.000 He's jacked.

01:05:16.000 He does look great.

01:05:16.000 I love it, dude.

01:05:17.000 He's got a hair transplant.

01:05:18.000 And that's another thing I think, like, I just did, I started working with Merrick Health.

01:05:22.000 I just did all my blood work last week, so I'm waiting for that just to, like, see where we're at, like, after fights, you know? 0.99

01:05:28.000 So, like, check my testosterone, just check all my shit. 0.99

01:05:31.000 I'm trying to, like, really, like, dial all that shit in. 0.99

01:05:34.000 And a lot of guys don't do that, you know? 0.99

01:05:36.000 Well, I think if you want to compete against the best of the best, you gotta cross all your T's and dot all your I's.

01:05:42.000 You gotta make sure all your ducks are in a row.

01:05:45.000 And the difference between the guys who are just super talented, who don't take care of nutrition and still perform at a very high level, And the guys who are also talented, like yourself, but dial everything in.

01:05:56.000 That's how you become a champion.

01:05:57.000 That makes a difference, yeah.

01:05:58.000 Because even when I'm done fighting, I'm going right into jiu-jitsu.

01:06:01.000 I can't wait to compete jiu-jitsu. 0.65

01:06:03.000 That's going to be so fun, because Nogi's getting so fucking big now.

01:06:08.000 You've got guys like Wagner, he's like 45 years old, still competing and winning.

01:06:12.000 So I'm super excited to get into that, too.

01:06:15.000 But I got a lot more fighting in me.

01:06:17.000 That's for sure.

01:06:18.000 Do you think when you stop fighting MMA, you'll compete in jiu-jitsu?

01:06:22.000 Oh, that's what I want to do.

01:06:23.000 Really?

01:06:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:24.000 And obviously, I want to open a gym one day, but I want to compete just straight jiu-jitsu, like no gi.

01:06:29.000 I did gi for 10 years, so I did gi for a long time.

01:06:32.000 I haven't done it in a while because...

01:06:34.000 I feel like to a certain point, it's like, alright, I've done this.

01:06:38.000 I'll pick it up when I'm done, for sure, but I love just hard Nogi.

01:06:42.000 I love it. 0.91

01:06:43.000 It's so fucking fun to me.

01:06:44.000 And it's getting so big. 0.96

01:06:46.000 These guys are ADCC. It's at T-Mobile next year.

01:06:50.000 Isn't that wild? 0.99

01:06:50.000 Gordon, and he's the fucking best. 0.99

01:06:53.000 Was that the last one that they did in Vegas? 0.99

01:06:56.000 And it was an enormous place.

01:06:57.000 Yeah.

01:06:58.000 Like you said, it's getting huge.

01:07:00.000 I didn't realize he was sitting next to you at the fights when I was talking to you.

01:07:03.000 He's the man.

01:07:04.000 I was going to train with him this week.

01:07:05.000 I can't wait to train with him, though. 0.96

01:07:06.000 But I remember seeing those guys back at Henzo's because I was going to the Henzo's Couple times a week training in the blue basement and I'd see like Gordon and Craig when they were all still together and there were savages back then and They're still fucking doing it. 0.96

01:07:19.000 It's crazy. 0.81

01:07:20.000 Yeah, he's Completely extraordinary. 1.00

01:07:22.000 Yeah, when you look at a guy who's 28 years old universally accepted as the greatest ever next next nuts He's next level and that motherfucker doesn't take a day. 0.99

01:07:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:07:31.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:07:32.000 No days off crazy 365 days a year They're working on something and I'm sure they're training hard Training hard and working on skills, and they watch tape, and they break technique down.

01:07:43.000 It's not just like, ah, good enough, go home.

01:07:46.000 It's very systematic. 0.99

01:07:48.000 And that John Donner, having that guy as your coach, what a fucking cheat code that is. 0.98

01:07:53.000 I've seen the room, it'll be like, John, Gordon, GSP will be in there. 1.00

01:07:57.000 I'm like, dude, this room is fucking, it's crazy. 0.98

01:08:00.000 Like, the people that they would have in there. 0.99

01:08:01.000 So you're only four, you're going to get better, regardless, you know?

01:08:05.000 I remember seeing GSP's corner.

01:08:07.000 It'd be like John Donahair, Farasa Hobby, Greg Jackson back when he would fight. 0.99

01:08:11.000 He was so ahead of his time with doing shit like that. 0.96

01:08:16.000 I think GSP, he's like my goat of MMA. Just the way, being a true martial artist, even how he is now. 0.98

01:08:25.000 Guys, when they're done, they get fat.

01:08:26.000 They're done training.

01:08:27.000 Once they're done fighting, they're done.

01:08:30.000 He still trains.

01:08:31.000 He probably looks better now than he did back then.

01:08:34.000 I'm trying to follow that.

01:08:37.000 He keeps coming down here to train.

01:08:39.000 I see him in Austin all the time.

01:08:40.000 He's here all the time.

01:08:41.000 I'm surprised he doesn't move down here.

01:08:43.000 He just comes down to train.

01:08:44.000 I think he likes Montreal.

01:08:46.000 I don't...

01:08:47.000 Yeah.

01:08:48.000 That gym kind of... 1.00

01:08:49.000 TriStar was the shit for a while. 1.00

01:08:51.000 Amazing. 0.99

01:08:51.000 I haven't heard too many guys coming out of there now. 0.99

01:08:53.000 I just feel like there's so many gyms now.

01:08:56.000 There's so many more gyms.

01:08:57.000 But it was GSP. They had Rory McDonald.

01:09:00.000 Rory was... 1.00

01:09:01.000 Rory was a motherfucker. 1.00

01:09:02.000 I remember watching him in his prime. 1.00

01:09:04.000 When I was young, I'm like, this fucking guy is great. 0.99

01:09:06.000 He was pretty fucking sharp. 0.99

01:09:09.000 He was very, very good at his prime. 0.96

01:09:10.000 A couple of those wars, though, with Lawler definitely shortened his career.

01:09:15.000 It was very nice seeing Robbie go out like that.

01:09:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:18.000 That was beautiful.

01:09:18.000 It was Barbarina, right?

01:09:21.000 No, it was...

01:09:24.000 Who...

01:09:27.000 I thought it was Brian Barbarino's.

01:09:28.000 No. 0.99

01:09:30.000 God damn it. 0.99

01:09:31.000 It's at the tip of my tongue. 0.99

01:09:32.000 I'm looking at his face right now.

01:09:33.000 I can't pull up...

01:09:34.000 Nico Price.

01:09:34.000 Thank you.

01:09:35.000 Nico Price.

01:09:36.000 Tough dude. 1.00

01:09:37.000 And Nico Price is fucking... 0.99

01:09:39.000 He's got some crazy knockouts and submissions too. 1.00

01:09:42.000 Yeah, he's a dog. 0.98

01:09:42.000 That dude's a dog. 0.98

01:09:43.000 But Robbie went out right.

01:09:44.000 He went out in a win.

01:09:46.000 That's got to feel...

01:09:47.000 Beautiful win.

01:09:47.000 First round knockout.

01:09:48.000 Didn't even get hit.

01:09:49.000 Yeah.

01:09:50.000 And everybody went crazy.

01:09:51.000 That's got to feel good.

01:09:52.000 We played this video.

01:09:53.000 It was beautiful.

01:09:54.000 For a guy like him...

01:09:55.000 And he's one of the main guys down at Kill Cliff.

01:09:58.000 He's coaching.

01:09:59.000 And that's great to see, too.

01:10:01.000 It is.

01:10:01.000 Because when a guy like that, if he's done, he leaves the gym.

01:10:05.000 You lose part of that gym.

01:10:08.000 Yeah.

01:10:08.000 Yeah, this was awesome, him winning like that.

01:10:11.000 It really was fucking cool. 0.96

01:10:12.000 It was really cool. 0.97

01:10:14.000 Because it's just like, that's what you want to see from a legend.

01:10:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:18.000 But people forget, the Ruth was Robbie Lawler days.

01:10:20.000 Like, when him and Rory had that fight, that was just guts.

01:10:25.000 And just survival.

01:10:27.000 Yeah.

01:10:28.000 His lip, when it was split like that. 0.99

01:10:31.000 And I was interviewing him, he was screaming, and his lips had spit and fucked up. 0.99

01:10:36.000 You could tell Rory had it. 0.99

01:10:37.000 His nose was smashed so bad.

01:10:39.000 That last punch, I think it was probably like a straight left.

01:10:42.000 He's like, I'm done.

01:10:43.000 I just can't take any more pain at this point.

01:10:45.000 Yeah, he was destroyed.

01:10:46.000 When your nose is broke and you get hit in it, it's not fun.

01:10:49.000 His face was pale too.

01:10:51.000 He had lost so much blood that his face was pale. 1.00

01:10:54.000 He was fucked up. 1.00

01:10:57.000 What a crazy fight. 1.00

01:10:58.000 Look at his face.

01:11:00.000 His face was just a mask of blood.

01:11:02.000 This is so iconic.

01:11:04.000 Just staring at each other.

01:11:05.000 Look how flat his nose is there.

01:11:08.000 Rory's face is destroyed.

01:11:10.000 Look at his nose.

01:11:11.000 It's just destroyed.

01:11:13.000 His face is destroyed.

01:11:15.000 I mean, that is as close to death as I think we've ever seen anybody get inside the octagon.

01:11:19.000 Look at that.

01:11:20.000 Look how pale he is. 0.92

01:11:24.000 And he went on to have some fucking good fights after that, but I was watching his career in PFL, and it was just sad to see the way he went out.

01:11:32.000 Well, I mean, I think you go through a fight like that, you don't ever recover fully. 0.70

01:11:38.000 No, you don't.

01:11:38.000 And then you're back in the gym, you're training, and then you fight again.

01:11:43.000 Everything's amplified in a fight.

01:11:46.000 It's training times 10. I've come out of fights where...

01:11:52.000 Quick fight for me, but I still, like, I don't even, like, I'll hit my elbow.

01:11:57.000 I'm like, what the fuck did I do to my, like, you just come out of a fight and you're like, you still feel beat up even if it wasn't, like, a super hard fight. 0.98

01:12:03.000 Like, even my fight with Kelvin, like, I didn't land, like, any crazy right hands, but my fucking hand's been killing me for the last month. 0.97

01:12:09.000 So, it's always, it's always something. 0.81

01:12:12.000 And then you go through something like that.

01:12:15.000 Do you do any hyperbaric chamber work? 0.60

01:12:18.000 My strength coach has one and I got in it and I was having like TMJ or something and I got in there and my fucking ears start to pop and I got kind of freaked out and I got out.

01:12:29.000 But I need to do it. 0.88

01:12:31.000 I know like off camp, but he's like, dude, you got to get in.

01:12:33.000 You got to get in.

01:12:34.000 And that's like the one thing that float tanks are like the two things like I haven't got into yet.

01:12:39.000 But yeah, I need to do the I need to do the like the hyperbaric. 0.99

01:12:44.000 They say it really, really helps recovery.

01:12:46.000 I know that Uriah Faber used it after the Jose Aldo fight.

01:12:49.000 Yeah.

01:12:49.000 Remember when he got his leg destroyed?

01:12:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:51.000 Yeah.

01:12:51.000 I think, I know, especially for your head, too.

01:12:54.000 They say, like, it's super, super good for your head.

01:12:56.000 Yeah, post-concussions.

01:12:58.000 Yeah.

01:12:58.000 But, like I said, stem cells, stuff like that, like, it does suck we can't, like, do other, like, peptides.

01:13:05.000 Because that shit helps. 0.98

01:13:06.000 And it's not like... 1.00

01:13:08.000 Test us for everything else.

01:13:10.000 Be there on site or whatever, but I think that stuff would really help us out.

01:13:15.000 Yeah, I don't know why it's illegal.

01:13:17.000 I mean, I think the argument is that it gives you a performance-enhancing benefit, but I just think all it does is aid in recovery from injuries.

01:13:25.000 And I think if you're dealing with a sport where guys are literally training and preparing to injure each other, that's what you do.

01:13:33.000 And you're getting injured while training, preparing to injure each other.

01:13:38.000 You're going to get injured.

01:13:39.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

01:13:40.000 And it would be better for the sport overall if that was allowed.

01:13:44.000 Yeah.

01:13:44.000 And I don't know why these athletic commissions don't recognize, like, hey, this is not like steroids.

01:13:50.000 Yeah.

01:13:50.000 This is something that just helps your injuries.

01:13:51.000 Helping you recover.

01:13:52.000 Yeah.

01:13:53.000 Yeah.

01:13:53.000 I'm definitely happy, though, that we're done with USADA. I'm hoping that...

01:13:57.000 Obviously, they're going to come and drug test us, but don't come to my house at 6 a.m.

01:14:01.000 or 7 a.m.

01:14:02.000 And don't come when guys are cutting weight.

01:14:03.000 They came to my house the one night.

01:14:05.000 It was 9.30 at night.

01:14:08.000 Luckily, there was fights on.

01:14:10.000 I was in camp, or else I would have been asleep.

01:14:11.000 I was watching Bellator on a Friday night.

01:14:13.000 They knocked on my door.

01:14:14.000 I look at my ring camera. 1.00

01:14:15.000 My wife's like, it's fucking USADA. I've never been mean to them, and I wasn't even... 0.99

01:14:20.000 I'm like, dude.

01:14:20.000 I looked at them.

01:14:21.000 I'm like...

01:14:22.000 I'm like, I'm about to get in the bed.

01:14:23.000 They're like, we're sorry.

01:14:24.000 They have a protocol.

01:14:25.000 They had to do it.

01:14:26.000 I'm like, I get it.

01:14:26.000 How long does it take?

01:14:28.000 It can be quick.

01:14:29.000 If they do blood, you have to sit down.

01:14:32.000 They time you for 10 minutes, and then they take your blood. 0.85

01:14:34.000 Then you have to do piss.

01:14:35.000 So that can be annoying.

01:14:36.000 But if you just have to pee, you can run through it real quick.

01:14:39.000 But you have to get out all your supplements.

01:14:41.000 You have to write all that down.

01:14:43.000 So it takes probably 35, 40 minutes.

01:14:45.000 So every time they come, you have to show them your supplements?

01:14:47.000 Yep, every time.

01:14:48.000 Oh.

01:14:49.000 They had them saved at one point, but then they went away with that, so you'd have to redo it.

01:14:53.000 Any medications you take, and then the dude has to come watch you piss, you have to pick out a cup.

01:14:58.000 I haven't been drug tested by these new guys yet, but come at 3 o'clock.

01:15:03.000 Come when I'm home and I'm just sitting on my couch.

01:15:05.000 Well, I think the argument against that is if they can catch you, if they come to your house at 9.30 a.m., if you take something that is in your system for a short period of time, but provides benefits, Like if you take some sort of oral testosterone at 9.30 p.m.

01:15:20.000 right before you go to bed.

01:15:21.000 They're like, we're going to get you.

01:15:22.000 And then, like that was what they were doing with the gummies, right? 0.92

01:15:25.000 With testosterone gummies and baseball?

01:15:27.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:15:28.000 So the idea is that you take it and then by the time they tested you, it would already be on your system.

01:15:34.000 I think guys, if you have enough money, I'm sure guys are gaming the system somehow.

01:15:39.000 Have you heard anything about how guys could do it?

01:15:41.000 No, I haven't, but I just feel like guys...

01:15:44.000 If you can cheat, somebody's going to cheat.

01:15:48.000 They're going to find a way.

01:15:49.000 But even with the IVs, I have heard of guys doing IVs still, and I'm like...

01:15:55.000 I guess, like you said, they say they trace plastic, but I'm like, how could you even test for that?

01:15:59.000 Because if you're drinking fucking gallons of water or whatever you're drinking with plastic, I guess there would be traces of plastic in there.

01:16:05.000 Maybe it's a different plastic. 0.96

01:16:06.000 Jamie, Google please, how do you detect if someone has had an IV USADA? See if there's a way that explains it.

01:16:15.000 Because they were explaining to me that there is a workaround, and the workaround would be if you got all the liquid into a glass vial.

01:16:23.000 I was literally, that's what I was thinking.

01:16:25.000 Yeah, and then you injected the liquid back into someone's body slowly, and instead of a drip like with a hose, you're just going straight from a glass vial.

01:16:35.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:16:36.000 Sounds like a fucking process. 1.00

01:16:38.000 Sounds like a real process. 1.00

01:16:39.000 Just for an IV. But if you're masking it.

01:16:42.000 The craziest weight cut that I ever heard, someone was cutting weight by getting their blood removed.

01:16:48.000 So they were getting their blood pulled from their body, they were chilling it, and then putting it back into their body.

01:16:54.000 Time for you to...

01:16:55.000 Just move up a weight class.

01:16:56.000 Right, but here's the question, because blood doping, that was a way that, like, Tour de France and a lot of those guys would do it, where they would take blood out of their body.

01:17:06.000 And then they'd put it back in, right?

01:17:06.000 Yeah, their body would recover and build that blood back up, and then they would put that blood back in so they'd have all this extra blood, and it would give them extra oxygen.

01:17:15.000 That, like, blood doping, that's, like, the craziest one.

01:17:18.000 Like... 0.98

01:17:18.000 If you're gonna do anything, if you just never get tired, that's the most superhuman thing you can fucking do. 0.98

01:17:26.000 Strength and all that is cool, but if you can just never get tired, that's next level shit. 0.97

01:17:32.000 Well, there's been guys that get popped for EPO. A DJ. Yeah, well, there's actually a documentary that the UFC did that just came out last week on YouTube. 0.97

01:17:40.000 I started it.

01:17:41.000 I watched it.

01:17:41.000 I started it.

01:17:42.000 It's wild.

01:17:43.000 Really?

01:17:43.000 When you see, like, what he looked like.

01:17:45.000 He was a skeleton.

01:17:46.000 He looked like a dead man. 0.50

01:17:48.000 Yeah.

01:17:48.000 He looked like a guy who was starving to death.

01:17:51.000 And he was about to fight Henry.

01:17:53.000 Was he saying he was doing the EPO to help him cut weight?

01:17:57.000 Is that what he was essentially saying?

01:17:58.000 No, no.

01:17:59.000 He was essentially, he was anemic.

01:18:01.000 I mean, that's what it really is.

01:18:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:03.000 It's an anemia.

01:18:04.000 It's for anemia.

01:18:06.000 He was anemic.

01:18:08.000 He had gotten to a point where he couldn't do anything.

01:18:12.000 Yeah.

01:18:12.000 I mean, his body was just...

01:18:13.000 He should have pulled out.

01:18:15.000 It's really what he should have done.

01:18:16.000 Yeah.

01:18:17.000 Or what he should have done, I think, is probably had a test cut.

01:18:20.000 Yeah.

01:18:21.000 And if he had a test cut, like...

01:18:22.000 See where he's at?

01:18:23.000 He was down to 135 and then cutting the weight.

01:18:26.000 And when he was down to 135, you looked at him, you're like, oh my god.

01:18:29.000 He was bad.

01:18:30.000 I remember seeing a picture of him in camp.

01:18:32.000 I'm like...

01:18:33.000 I'm like, this dude looks horrible. 0.99

01:18:34.000 When he was preparing for the fight, and then they were, it was like the day of the weigh-ins, you see him walking around, you're like, what in the fuck? 0.99

01:18:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:18:43.000 His whole face was just skeleton. 0.99

01:18:46.000 And then, like, you get fucking hit like that? 0.99

01:18:49.000 Right. 0.99

01:18:49.000 Like, I don't care if you have 48 hours, like... 0.99

01:18:51.000 So, that's what he looked like.

01:18:55.000 Is that so insane, man?

01:18:57.000 It's so insane, that weight cut.

01:18:59.000 Look at this.

01:19:00.000 Yeah, look at him there.

01:19:01.000 Listen, all of our cheeks get sucked in, but that's...

01:19:04.000 That's crazy.

01:19:05.000 That's different.

01:19:05.000 I mean, that's not just a cheek sucked in.

01:19:07.000 No, yeah.

01:19:07.000 It's like you're losing your jaw muscles.

01:19:09.000 Yeah.

01:19:10.000 And that's the thing.

01:19:11.000 It's like you're losing muscle, man.

01:19:13.000 You're losing muscle.

01:19:14.000 Now you see him now?

01:19:15.000 Yeah.

01:19:15.000 He's not a small dude.

01:19:17.000 No. 0.99

01:19:17.000 Like, he's pretty fucking big. 0.99

01:19:19.000 Like... 0.98

01:19:19.000 Well, TJ also had had shoulder problems his whole career. 0.98

01:19:23.000 I think he had two torn supraspinatus muscles in both traps or both shoulders and just never got it fixed.

01:19:32.000 He was so good.

01:19:32.000 I love watching him.

01:19:34.000 Just his striking was so good.

01:19:36.000 I feel like he was one of the first guys to start doing, to switching stances and throwing.

01:19:41.000 He was... 0.98

01:19:43.000 He's fucking good. 1.00

01:19:44.000 Dude, the Hennon Burrell fight, holy shit. 1.00

01:19:47.000 The first one, yeah. 0.97

01:19:48.000 It's also like his ability to perform under pressure.

01:19:52.000 Like when the stakes were high, when the pressure was high.

01:19:55.000 Cody Garbrandt fight.

01:19:56.000 Yes, yes.

01:19:57.000 He got dropped in that first round and came back and knocked Cody out. 0.99

01:20:00.000 And I fucking love Cody. 0.97

01:20:01.000 It was nice to see Cody get back on track. 0.97

01:20:04.000 But yeah, that was...

01:20:05.000 He's a competitor.

01:20:07.000 He's a competitor.

01:20:09.000 And it worked for him for a long time, you know?

01:20:12.000 Yeah, just the shoulder thing is just so unfortunate. 0.97

01:20:14.000 Because now he's fucked, and he's had multiple surgeries, and he's hoping that he can still come back. 0.96

01:20:20.000 Because he fought in Abu Dhabi on that car with me, and his shoulder popped out immediately or something like that. 0.98

01:20:26.000 Well, he had actually told the referee before the fight, he said, my shoulder's going to pop out.

01:20:29.000 He said, just let me fight, and I'll put it back in.

01:20:33.000 It pops out all the time.

01:20:35.000 That's not good.

01:20:36.000 I've seen that, though. 0.97

01:20:37.000 I've seen guys in the room, they get sprawled on, their fucking shoulder pops out, They're like, I need a second. 0.98

01:20:43.000 They snap it back. 0.98

01:20:44.000 I'm like, dude, I don't know if you should be doing that.

01:20:47.000 That's supposedly what happened with Yuri. 0.98

01:20:49.000 His coaches were trying to put his shit back into place and they just totally destroyed his shoulder. 0.99

01:20:54.000 I'm like, yeah. 1.00

01:20:55.000 Probably shouldn't be doing that. 0.98

01:20:56.000 It's not like a finger, like a jujitsu finger where you're doing gi and your coach fucking snaps your finger. 0.98

01:21:02.000 That's your shoulder. 0.92

01:21:03.000 Well, it's also when your shoulder gets destroyed like that and they have to replace your shoulder.

01:21:08.000 That's it.

01:21:09.000 Yeah.

01:21:10.000 I know guys have gotten their hip resurfaced and continue to compete.

01:21:14.000 I know Frankie Edgar did that. 0.89

01:21:16.000 But I think shoulders, like once that's... 1.00

01:21:19.000 Shoulders and knees, like I've been pretty, knock on wood, like I feel like once you have a problem with your shoulders or your knees, you're fucked. 0.95

01:21:27.000 Like you're always going to have, same thing with like if you do that back surgery. 0.99

01:21:31.000 The back surgery is a big one. 0.98

01:21:32.000 I think, and your neck, like if you do any of those surgeries, I think you're fucking done. 0.98

01:21:37.000 Well, that's what's crazy about Aljamain. 0.98

01:21:39.000 I mean, he did his neck and then won and defended the title multiple times.

01:21:43.000 Yeah, and he looked great.

01:21:45.000 He looked great.

01:21:45.000 Besides Sean O'Malley, he came back and that Peter Young fight, he looked great in that.

01:21:50.000 With a fake disc in his neck.

01:21:52.000 He's got an artificial disc in his back and he's competing in MMA and winning as a champion.

01:21:57.000 It's nuts.

01:21:58.000 Chris Weidman's coming back again, too.

01:22:00.000 He's fighting Bruno Silva.

01:22:02.000 I was there for his fight in Boston.

01:22:06.000 It was good to see him get back in there.

01:22:09.000 That break was so bad.

01:22:11.000 I guess they're putting out mini-series in the UFC. I watched that one on him coming back from his leg.

01:22:17.000 I was almost crying watching it, seeing the pain he was going through.

01:22:21.000 He had two or three surgeries after that.

01:22:23.000 Really?

01:22:24.000 His leg wouldn't take...

01:22:27.000 Or he would like start feeling a weird pain and they'd go back in and do another surgery.

01:22:32.000 He'd start getting better, they'd do another surgery.

01:22:34.000 It's like, it's the same thing as that TJ one.

01:22:37.000 If you get like 25 minutes, watch it one day. 0.98

01:22:39.000 It's fucking good. 0.98

01:22:40.000 Well, that's the case with Connor as well, I believe. 0.99

01:22:42.000 I think Connor's had multiple surgeries as well.

01:22:45.000 Well, a break like that, like...

01:22:47.000 It's a crazy break.

01:22:48.000 The only one guy, you know, I'd say no one's ever come back from it, but apparently the guy who won the PFL heavyweight division, he had a broke leg like that, and he came back and he's competing at a high level.

01:23:01.000 Well, how about Chris Weidman does it to Anderson Silva, and then he gets it done to him?

01:23:07.000 I don't know.

01:23:10.000 How does that happen?

01:23:12.000 What are the odds?

01:23:13.000 That's nuts.

01:23:14.000 Especially when you think about how few leg breaks like that have been in the UFC. I think there's only been four, and he's been a part of two of them.

01:23:20.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:23:21.000 I can only think of those two.

01:23:24.000 Who else was in the UFC? The first one was, what was the gentleman's name?

01:23:30.000 Corey Hill?

01:23:32.000 Yeah, I remember that.

01:23:34.000 I think he's dead.

01:23:35.000 He is dead.

01:23:35.000 I don't know what happened to him.

01:23:36.000 But I remember that one.

01:23:38.000 And then Chris is involved in two of them.

01:23:40.000 So it was Corey, Anderson, Chris...

01:23:47.000 Who else?

01:23:48.000 There's one other one.

01:23:50.000 Someone else got their leg broken.

01:23:51.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:23:52.000 Connor.

01:23:53.000 That's it.

01:23:53.000 So those are the four.

01:23:55.000 The biggest one, Connor.

01:23:57.000 And then outside of that, I've seen it with Tyrone Spong.

01:24:01.000 Yeah.

01:24:02.000 With the Gokan Saki fight.

01:24:03.000 That was nasty.

01:24:05.000 That's the only time I've ever seen it in kickboxing, which is crazy.

01:24:08.000 His highlights are crazy. 0.95

01:24:09.000 Oh, he's a killer. 0.92

01:24:10.000 You ever see the one where I think he comes out, drops Tyron. 0.84

01:24:14.000 He gets up, showing up, and throws that overhand and cleans him. 0.99

01:24:18.000 I'm like, God damn. 0.99

01:24:19.000 He still trains. 0.99

01:24:21.000 He's down at Henry's, and he's one of their main guys.

01:24:23.000 What did you do?

01:24:25.000 This was not in the UFC, but it's on combat.

01:24:28.000 Oh, his femur comes out.

01:24:32.000 Oh, I saw this one.

01:24:33.000 Yeah, he gets taken down.

01:24:34.000 That's a crazy one, right?

01:24:36.000 This one's bad.

01:24:37.000 And it's weird how it goes down.

01:24:39.000 Like, look how it goes backwards.

01:24:42.000 Look at his pain, the pain he's in.

01:24:44.000 Oh my god.

01:24:45.000 It's weird how it goes backwards.

01:24:47.000 Oh god, look at it poking out like that.

01:24:50.000 Is that his femur?

01:24:51.000 Yep, yep, yep, yep.

01:24:54.000 Yeah, he's like, my leg, my leg.

01:24:56.000 Oh my god.

01:24:57.000 Oh my god.

01:24:58.000 That's bad.

01:24:58.000 They're hard to watch.

01:25:02.000 My dad broke his femur.

01:25:04.000 He was a construction worker. 0.99

01:25:05.000 He had a bunch of stones fall on his leg, snapped his fucking femur in half. 0.99

01:25:09.000 He had a metal rod in there for years. 0.99

01:25:13.000 He got his knees redone.

01:25:15.000 They had to take the metal rod out of his knee. 0.84

01:25:17.000 Like, his, like, bone, like, I guess, like, formed to it.

01:25:20.000 They said taking it out was rough.

01:25:21.000 Yeah.

01:25:22.000 It's the biggest bone in your body, I think.

01:25:24.000 Oh, I think so, too. 1.00

01:25:25.000 Goddamn. 0.99

01:25:26.000 Yeah, Frank Mir, when he got hit by a car, remember that? 0.99

01:25:28.000 He, uh, broke his femur.

01:25:30.000 Yeah, he was riding a motorcycle, guy ran a light, T-boned him, he went flying through the air.

01:25:35.000 And he, it took a long time before Frank got back on track.

01:25:38.000 That's, like, one of the hardest things with me and, like... 0.99

01:25:41.000 Like I grew up riding dirt bikes and like I love doing shit.

01:25:44.000 I'm like but our job's so dangerous already I'm like I can't afford to to do any of these other things like We were up to mountains over the weekend like my brothers like let's go snowboard and I'm like bro like I can't dude like I want to so bad But I'm gonna do all that shit when I'm done fighting like you just can't stack another thing on top of fucking like I have a Ford Raptor I got it all souped up I'm like that's my that's my thing you know like I got a nice truck and But I can't ride bikes yet. 0.85

01:26:12.000 We just can't afford to stack all those other things on top of our dangerous ass job already.

01:26:17.000 Did you see what Sean Strickland was doing the other day? 0.97

01:26:19.000 Shooting like Roman candles at each other?

01:26:21.000 Kind of a firework fight.

01:26:22.000 Yeah bro, I'm not doing that.

01:26:23.000 Three weeks before he's fighting to retain his title.

01:26:26.000 He had like burns on him. 0.99

01:26:28.000 He's so nuts. 1.00

01:26:29.000 He's nuts. 1.00

01:26:30.000 He's so out of his fucking mind. 1.00

01:26:32.000 But that boy can fight. 1.00

01:26:34.000 All he does is spar. 0.98

01:26:36.000 He looks at a treadmill and he's like, get the fuck out of here. 0.96

01:26:39.000 He's like, I'm gonna go spar. 0.98

01:26:40.000 What's crazy is his conditioning.

01:26:42.000 Like, look at that Israel Adesanya fight.

01:26:44.000 This is his first time fighting for the title.

01:26:45.000 He's fighting a legend.

01:26:47.000 And in the fifth round, he's not even breathing heavy.

01:26:50.000 Floors him, too.

01:26:51.000 Amazing.

01:26:52.000 Amazing.

01:26:52.000 Hits him with that one-two, drops him, pummels him afterwards.

01:26:56.000 And then, but dude, he's like, he's not even jumping like dirt bikes.

01:26:59.000 He's jumping like motorcycles in the desert. 0.99

01:27:02.000 I'm like, what the fuck is this dude? 1.00

01:27:03.000 He's out of his fucking mind. 1.00

01:27:04.000 And that's also how he blew his knee apart. 1.00

01:27:06.000 Oh, yeah, because he used to fight at 70. People don't know him and Kamaru fought at 170 back in the day.

01:27:13.000 Kamaru put it on pretty good.

01:27:15.000 Well, I think he's one of those guys that really was cutting too much weight.

01:27:18.000 He's definitely.

01:27:18.000 He's huge.

01:27:19.000 Of diminishing returns.

01:27:20.000 That'd be like Joey trying to cut down to 170. Just because you can make something doesn't mean you should do it.

01:27:29.000 I'm going to be interested to see that fight next weekend.

01:27:31.000 I can't believe it's already here.

01:27:32.000 If anybody wants to see the extreme version of that, watch that TJ documentary.

01:27:35.000 It's pretty heavy.

01:27:36.000 His fight with Drikus is going to be... 0.98

01:27:39.000 Very interesting. 0.99

01:27:40.000 Drikus is fucking scary. 0.99

01:27:42.000 And that's a guy who's so big for 85. The way he looked against... 1.00

01:27:46.000 I counted... 0.99

01:27:47.000 I didn't give him a fucking chance against Robert Whitaker. 0.99

01:27:50.000 And boy, was I wrong. 0.99

01:27:52.000 Okay.

01:27:52.000 Well, also that's after he got his DNA surgery.

01:27:55.000 Which I think, I mean, it's a big factor.

01:27:58.000 Being able to breathe out of your nose.

01:28:00.000 If you can't breathe, you can't fight.

01:28:01.000 But it's also, it's like, Drickus looks awkward when you fight.

01:28:05.000 He moves different.

01:28:06.000 But that movement and that awkwardness makes him difficult to time.

01:28:11.000 It's like his timing is off.

01:28:13.000 And if you don't have anybody that can imitate that kind of stutter step motion that he does.

01:28:16.000 Yeah, he fights weird.

01:28:18.000 Yeah.

01:28:19.000 It's deceptively technical, though.

01:28:22.000 Deceptively.

01:28:22.000 It's his style.

01:28:24.000 You can't say it's wrong.

01:28:26.000 That's how he fights, and it works.

01:28:28.000 You can tell he's strong.

01:28:30.000 I think he's going to come in and really try to put a hard grappling pace on Sean.

01:28:35.000 But Sean's hard to take down.

01:28:37.000 You don't see many guys taking Sean down.

01:28:38.000 He's a very good grappler.

01:28:41.000 He's not easy to take down.

01:28:43.000 I've talked to guys that roll with him. 0.99

01:28:44.000 That motherfucker is very I've seen he was out at... 0.99

01:28:47.000 I think he was training with Jaco and those guys. 1.00

01:28:49.000 Yeah Jaco told me. 0.98

01:28:51.000 Jaco goes, dude he's fucking legit. 0.97

01:28:53.000 He's really legit. 0.97

01:28:54.000 He's long too.

01:28:54.000 I'm sure he has good jujitsu.

01:28:57.000 But that's a good fight.

01:28:59.000 Well here's an interesting statistic.

01:29:01.000 Was it a mouth guard that they gave you guys to show how many shots you take?

01:29:05.000 Something like that, yeah.

01:29:07.000 He gets hit the least and he spars the most.

01:29:10.000 He's like, his defense is so underappreciated.

01:29:13.000 Yeah.

01:29:13.000 Because that was a big factor in that fight too, with Adesanya.

01:29:16.000 Adesanya just couldn't find him. 0.98

01:29:17.000 Yeah, he's like, it's like a weird, like, Philly shell that he does.

01:29:21.000 And then he's lifting that, like, lead leg to, like, teep.

01:29:24.000 Yep, he's front kicking you with that lead leg. 0.97

01:29:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:26.000 And he's just always jabbing.

01:29:28.000 And it comes, like, you would think a jab coming from down here, like, it'd be easier to time, but it's not. 0.98

01:29:34.000 Because it's coming from a, like, you don't fucking see it. 0.96

01:29:36.000 And then, bop, bop, and then he's hitting you with a jab. 0.99

01:29:39.000 But it fucking, it works for him. 1.00

01:29:41.000 It works for him amazingly. 0.99

01:29:42.000 I don't think Izzy was 100% in that training camp either. 0.99

01:29:46.000 Like, he had that DUI thing, or the DWI, like, right before that, I was like two weeks before that fight, and I think he just thought he was gonna fucking blow Sean out of the water, and Sean's a tough motherfucker. 0.95

01:29:58.000 After the abuse fight, someone should have looked at that fight and go, listen, this guy is always there. 0.98

01:30:04.000 He's always there. 0.97

01:30:05.000 It's crazy how it can flip so fast, like, A year ago, he lost to Jared Cannoneer, and now he's a fucking UFC champion. 0.98

01:30:11.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:30:12.000 How about the Pejeta fight?

01:30:14.000 Yeah.

01:30:15.000 He gets flatlined in the first round against Pejeta, and then you think, this guy's not going to be the champion.

01:30:19.000 A year later, he's the champ.

01:30:21.000 Yeah.

01:30:21.000 And went to train with Pejeta.

01:30:23.000 Yeah.

01:30:23.000 That shows you how smart he is.

01:30:25.000 He's like, I'm going to go learn from this fucking guy. 1.00

01:30:27.000 Pejeta will teach you. 1.00

01:30:28.000 Which is even crazier.

01:30:29.000 Hell yeah. 1.00

01:30:30.000 Alex is a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:30:33.000 He's a big dude. 1.00

01:30:34.000 He's gigantic. 0.99

01:30:35.000 That guy making 185 was ridiculous. 0.99

01:30:37.000 Nuts. 0.99

01:30:38.000 Ridiculous. 1.00

01:30:39.000 Like, how? 0.99

01:30:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:40.000 How did you do it?

01:30:41.000 Yeah.

01:30:42.000 Because you look at him at 205. He's so big at 205. I think he's way better off at 205, though.

01:30:46.000 I think so, too.

01:30:47.000 I don't know who he's going to fight next, but I'll be watching.

01:30:51.000 Yeah, I mean, I would imagine it would be Jamal.

01:30:54.000 I just don't know when Jamal's going to be fully recovered.

01:30:57.000 You know, Jamal blew out his Achilles, which is a bad one.

01:31:00.000 That's a hard one to come back from.

01:31:01.000 Yeah, it's a bad one.

01:31:03.000 That's what Aaron Rodgers did?

01:31:05.000 Yeah.

01:31:06.000 That's got to be weird.

01:31:07.000 Like, you're just going, and then next thing, it's done.

01:31:10.000 Yeah, it just pops off.

01:31:11.000 Yeah.

01:31:12.000 But Aaron Rodgers is doing great.

01:31:14.000 They're saying he might, like, play...

01:31:17.000 He was hoping to.

01:31:18.000 But it's only been how many months since the injury?

01:31:21.000 Four or five?

01:31:22.000 What was the beginning of the season?

01:31:23.000 September, I guess?

01:31:24.000 Was that what it was that started?

01:31:25.000 October, November, December, January.

01:31:27.000 So four months.

01:31:28.000 Not long.

01:31:29.000 Not long at all for such a catastrophic injury.

01:31:32.000 I think Alex would be champ for a while, though.

01:31:35.000 Until someone comes along and exposes his ground game is not where it needs to be.

01:31:41.000 Well, that's what's interesting with Hamzat, right? 1.00

01:31:43.000 If he fights Hamzat Chemaev at 185 pounds, that gets very interesting.

01:31:48.000 Yeah.

01:31:49.000 But I think we saw in the Hamzat fight against Usman that Hamzat, against a really big, strong grappler, is still very effective.

01:31:59.000 Not to the level where it should be.

01:32:03.000 Well, Usman exposed some holes in his game, and Usman had no count.

01:32:07.000 That was a five-round fight, and Usman took it on short notice.

01:32:12.000 Even on short notice, if there was two more rounds of that, who knows where that could have gone.

01:32:16.000 Usman was putting it on.

01:32:17.000 I rewatched it recently, and he was getting the better of him in the third round, for sure.

01:32:21.000 Especially in the strike game, because I think something happened to Hamzat's hand in the first round.

01:32:25.000 He broke his hand.

01:32:26.000 Yeah, he's got some injuries going on, but even someone like that...

01:32:31.000 Someone like Bo Nickel. 1.00

01:32:32.000 Bo's going to be a motherfucker. 1.00

01:32:34.000 And then Joey's known for knocking guys out, but Joey has fucking really... 1.00

01:32:39.000 He submitted Abdul in his last fight. 0.91

01:32:41.000 He's got really good wrestling, really good submission.

01:32:43.000 So it looks like 185 doesn't have those grapplers.

01:32:47.000 Like 170, we're stacked with grapplers.

01:32:50.000 155, stacked with grapplers.

01:32:51.000 185 kind of doesn't have that.

01:32:53.000 So if you come into 185 and you have that good wrestling and grappling pedigree, I think you can do really, really well.

01:32:59.000 It's interesting with Bo.

01:33:01.000 It's like some fighters get thrown at the wolves.

01:33:04.000 Yeah.

01:33:05.000 And some fighters, they lead...

01:33:06.000 He's doing the slow...

01:33:08.000 Nicely slow.

01:33:09.000 Every fight, he's this giant favorite.

01:33:13.000 And the next fight, same thing.

01:33:14.000 Yeah, and he smokes him.

01:33:15.000 He hasn't fought until July.

01:33:17.000 I listened to the podcast.

01:33:18.000 It was really good, but...

01:33:19.000 I think he's doing it right.

01:33:21.000 He's like, listen, I'm going to kind of slope because he's 27, 28. He's already in the UFC. A couple fights away from being in the top 15, why rush?

01:33:29.000 And I feel like that's something I did early on that I wanted to be in the top 15 so bad.

01:33:34.000 Then once you get there, you have to wait for the division to play out.

01:33:38.000 You have to wait for guys to fight and then you get hurt and then you're sitting on the sidelines.

01:33:42.000 Whereas if you're not in the top 15, you can kind of rack up these wins, fight these guys who aren't World-class, but they're still good fighters.

01:33:49.000 You can get that experience and then go into the top 15. Yeah, well, that's what they do in boxing, and it's always been the way they did it.

01:33:56.000 They test guys, you get tested, but not a fight that you're going to lose.

01:34:00.000 A fight that a guy's going to show you some different looks.

01:34:02.000 You're going to get, you know, maybe this guy likes to fight inside, maybe this guy's long, fights on the outside.

01:34:07.000 You get these different looks, and you learn and grow and develop new skills and get experience, and then you fight for the title.

01:34:14.000 Well, we have Boots, Jaron Ennis.

01:34:17.000 His dad was my boxing coach for years.

01:34:19.000 Boots holds pads for me all the time.

01:34:21.000 Bro, that guy is a wizard.

01:34:23.000 He's a wizard.

01:34:24.000 I'll watch him hit pads from orthodox to southpaw.

01:34:27.000 How hard he hits, I'm like, yo, I'd be butt-scooting towards Boots if I had a 5-year-old.

01:34:34.000 Come here because he thumps.

01:34:37.000 And he's 25 or 26. He's not even a man yet.

01:34:41.000 I used to think the man strength thing was bullshit. 0.99

01:34:43.000 It's true. 0.98

01:34:44.000 The older you get, you definitely get stronger.

01:34:46.000 And he's getting stronger and he's getting better. 0.99

01:34:48.000 It sucks.

01:34:49.000 They gave him the belt, I guess, because Terrence got stripped. 0.96

01:34:54.000 So he didn't get to earn it.

01:34:55.000 He was the interim champ.

01:34:57.000 But he's having such a hard time getting a fight.

01:35:00.000 Yeah, nobody wants to fight him, and Terrence wants the big money fights him.

01:35:03.000 And I get that.

01:35:04.000 I get it. 0.99

01:35:04.000 But, Boots is gonna fuck any of these dudes up. 0.99

01:35:08.000 He's special. 0.99

01:35:09.000 I think Terrence is great, but Boots is that next generation. 0.99

01:35:13.000 Well, I think that fight would be very competitive, and I would really love to see that, because I think Terrence is the fucking man. 0.99

01:35:19.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:35:19.000 But I think that Terrence is 35, 36, somewhere in that range, and for him, it's all about big money fights. 0.97

01:35:26.000 That's why he's trying to get that Canelo fight.

01:35:28.000 I get that.

01:35:29.000 You get to a certain point in your career, you deserve that.

01:35:31.000 But I'm happy that they did strip him, so now they're going to give Boots that clear path to go let him build his resume and fight the guys.

01:35:39.000 But I don't even know who's in that division.

01:35:42.000 Well, it's like right now, Terrence is locked up with Errol Spence again, because Errol Spence, he exercised the rematch gloves.

01:35:49.000 So they're going to fight.

01:35:50.000 Yeah, I think, you know, if I was being cynical, I would say, listen, Errol Spence fights someone else, how much is he going to make?

01:35:57.000 Errol Spence fights Terence Crawford again, he's going to make a big payday.

01:36:02.000 And I think that's probably why he's doing this rematch again.

01:36:05.000 He knows he's getting paid.

01:36:07.000 Yeah, knows he's getting paid, but also not happy with his performance in the first fight and thinks he can do better.

01:36:12.000 And I get that.

01:36:13.000 I think Terrence is on another level.

01:36:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:36:15.000 He's good.

01:36:17.000 We had the UFC fights and those fights going on, and he just seemed like he was on a different level the entire time.

01:36:25.000 Yeah, he's so smart, and he's so technical, and he also has that incredible ability to shift.

01:36:30.000 He can switch stances and fight just as good southpaws as orthodox.

01:36:34.000 He, uh, I think it was like, I think he was fighting Sean Porter and his coach was like telling him like, yo, he's, it was like the 10th round.

01:36:40.000 He was like, yo, he's up.

01:36:41.000 And it didn't register for his, like, he looked at back.

01:36:43.000 He's like, he's up, he's up.

01:36:45.000 And he went out there and he's like, all right, bet.

01:36:47.000 Went out there, smoked him the next round. 0.99

01:36:49.000 I'm like, yo, this dude is fucking, he's the man. 0.99

01:36:52.000 But yeah, boots, like boxing's hard to follow though. 0.99

01:36:55.000 Cause there's so many, it's not like the UFC is the UFC and there's like, Top rank, and there's Showtime, and there's this, and the belt.

01:37:04.000 Like, who has the belt?

01:37:05.000 Right.

01:37:06.000 There's so many belts.

01:37:07.000 It makes it hard to follow.

01:37:08.000 Well, there does, because there's not just way more weight classes, but there's also four sanctioning bodies.

01:37:14.000 Yeah.

01:37:14.000 And so it's at least four.

01:37:16.000 WBC, IBO. WBO. Yeah.

01:37:20.000 IBF, right?

01:37:21.000 Right.

01:37:22.000 So how many boxing...

01:37:24.000 It's at least four.

01:37:25.000 It's at least four.

01:37:26.000 Yeah.

01:37:27.000 WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF. That's four right there.

01:37:31.000 Is that it?

01:37:32.000 There's probably four more.

01:37:33.000 Yeah.

01:37:33.000 There's a lot.

01:37:33.000 But it's just like, why?

01:37:35.000 Yeah.

01:37:36.000 Why there's so many sanctioning bodies?

01:37:38.000 Like, that doesn't make any sense.

01:37:40.000 It's not like we're in MMA, like...

01:37:42.000 Yeah, there's Bellator.

01:37:44.000 Well, not now.

01:37:45.000 I mean, there still is, but like...

01:37:46.000 Because Bellator is going to still exist overseas, right?

01:37:49.000 Yeah, with PFL. But in MMA, you want to be a UFC champion.

01:37:53.000 When you're a boxer, you're like, I want to be WB. It's so hard to...

01:37:58.000 You want to beat the guy who's recognized as being famous as a champion.

01:38:02.000 And what do you want to have?

01:38:03.000 Do you want to have all four belts?

01:38:04.000 Because if you don't have all four belts, you're not really...

01:38:07.000 You can be like, oh, that guy's still out there. 0.86

01:38:09.000 It just gets fucking hard to follow.

01:38:11.000 Right, it does. 0.82

01:38:12.000 But yeah, Boots is...

01:38:14.000 He's scary.

01:38:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:38:15.000 He's scary as shit. 1.00

01:38:16.000 I love watching him. 1.00

01:38:17.000 He's crazy.

01:38:18.000 And dude, his dad's like 70 years old. 0.99

01:38:20.000 Still spars. 0.81

01:38:21.000 Really?

01:38:21.000 Yeah.

01:38:22.000 He still spars? 0.81

01:38:23.000 We live in the same neighborhood.

01:38:24.000 I'll see him running.

01:38:25.000 He'll be running. 1.00

01:38:26.000 I'll fucking beat my horn. 0.99

01:38:27.000 I'm like, yo! 0.99

01:38:28.000 His name's Bozy.

01:38:29.000 And he's just still just getting it.

01:38:32.000 Yeah.

01:38:32.000 It's crazy.

01:38:33.000 Wow.

01:38:34.000 70 years old.

01:38:34.000 He's like 70. Still sparring.

01:38:35.000 That's crazy.

01:38:36.000 Still sparring.

01:38:37.000 Still running.

01:38:37.000 Comes in the gym.

01:38:39.000 Sweatpants.

01:38:39.000 Sweat top.

01:38:40.000 Like...

01:38:41.000 He doesn't hold pads anymore because of his shoulders, but he holds noodles. 0.97

01:38:45.000 So he holds the noodles for him and still just fucking just loves it. 0.79

01:38:49.000 That's what he just loves to do. 0.97

01:38:51.000 That's awesome.

01:38:52.000 Crazy.

01:38:52.000 I love the fact that he can keep doing it at that age.

01:38:55.000 I mean Floyd Mableweather Sr. was doing it.

01:38:56.000 He was sparring pretty late into his life.

01:39:01.000 I mean, when I'm done fighting, I'm 100%.

01:39:04.000 Obviously, jiu-jitsu is going to be huge.

01:39:06.000 I want to compete, but I still want to train.

01:39:10.000 There's nothing better than waking up every day and you get to do what you love to do.

01:39:14.000 There's rough days, of course, but I get to go train and there's no other place I'd rather be.

01:39:19.000 If I had...

01:39:20.000 A billion dollars in my bank, I would still do the same exact things I do every day because it's what I love to do.

01:39:26.000 That's beautiful.

01:39:27.000 That's a successful life.

01:39:28.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:39:30.000 That's a truly successful life if you're actually doing the things you love all the time.

01:39:34.000 And if you can make that your job, that's amazing. 0.97

01:39:36.000 You go to 9 to 5, you're sitting in traffic, you're like, dude, I fucking hate this.

01:39:42.000 We have a schedule, but you still get to kind of make your own. 0.73

01:39:46.000 Yeah.

01:39:47.000 That's Bozy.

01:39:48.000 70 years old?

01:39:49.000 This is old, too.

01:39:49.000 Yeah, right?

01:39:51.000 Yeah.

01:39:52.000 So, what is he?

01:39:53.000 65?

01:39:53.000 Whatever.

01:39:54.000 Still, that's incredible.

01:39:55.000 He looks great.

01:39:58.000 Yeah.

01:39:58.000 Oh, he is boxing still.

01:40:00.000 Look at that.

01:40:04.000 Wow.

01:40:04.000 This is crazy.

01:40:06.000 65-year-old Bozy sparring.

01:40:09.000 65. 65. And he's just fucking around, bro.

01:40:15.000 He's talking shit, too. 1.00

01:40:23.000 Just popping with that jab. 1.00

01:40:29.000 And the jab, as you were saying before about Sean, the jab real low.

01:40:32.000 Coming down from low, yeah.

01:40:35.000 And same thing I was saying about our gym, Marquez, MMA. Bro, they're in just these gritty gyms.

01:40:41.000 There's no super gym.

01:40:43.000 There's no super gym in Philly.

01:40:45.000 Well, that's the question.

01:40:47.000 What is the best?

01:40:49.000 Is it best to be with a small gym with really good coaches where they give you individual attention and they really know what you're doing?

01:40:57.000 When you're on, when you're peaking, where you're at, versus going to a mega gym, like ATT. So my coach, John, he's the only person that holds pads for me.

01:41:09.000 He watches all my sparring sessions, like he does for all of us, and then he'll send my sparring to Dean.

01:41:15.000 Dean will break it down.

01:41:16.000 And then my wrestling coach, Cody, it's only three or four guys, but the head guy is John, and he oversees everything.

01:41:24.000 When you have a big gym, if you're not a top guy, you're not getting that.

01:41:29.000 You have the training partners, but you're not getting that one-on-one.

01:41:35.000 Unless you're a champion.

01:41:36.000 Unless you're a champion.

01:41:37.000 Then it's still even hard. 0.99

01:41:41.000 Your training partners are like, fuck, I want to help these guys out. 0.99

01:41:45.000 I know American Top Team, they have... 0.99

01:41:48.000 Different sets of coaches.

01:41:50.000 So, you might work with this coach.

01:41:51.000 Like, they have Mike Brown.

01:41:52.000 He's the main guy.

01:41:53.000 So, you might work with Mike, but you might not work with this guy.

01:41:56.000 But, I just think it's...

01:41:58.000 Like, I'm lucky enough.

01:41:59.000 I don't have to travel.

01:42:00.000 Like, my whole family lives in this...

01:42:01.000 Like, I thought...

01:42:02.000 Like, there was definitely times when I was coming up. 0.99

01:42:04.000 I'm like, damn. 0.98

01:42:04.000 Like, where would I go? 0.98

01:42:05.000 Would I go to Florida?

01:42:06.000 Would I go here?

01:42:07.000 Would I go there?

01:42:07.000 And then, I got lucky enough that I was just winning fights and our team was growing...

01:42:13.000 And we have the training partners now, and I don't have to go anywhere.

01:42:16.000 No, listen, man.

01:42:17.000 The results speak for themselves, obviously.

01:42:20.000 So tell me more.

01:42:21.000 I want to hear more about this mental training and what's involved with that.

01:42:25.000 So you decided to do this after the Bilal fight?

01:42:27.000 Yeah.

01:42:28.000 So you said you made some decisions in that fight that you never had made before.

01:42:35.000 Yeah, I feel like I remember you're in there and being in a fight is the weirdest feeling ever.

01:42:42.000 Sometimes you're super present and then sometimes you're not.

01:42:45.000 I remember just being in that fight with Kelvin.

01:42:48.000 For 15 minutes, I was where my feet were.

01:42:51.000 I was super present.

01:42:52.000 I was locked in that entire time. 0.99

01:42:55.000 When I fought Bilal, I remember I was just thinking about other shit and then I'd come back to the present and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:43:05.000 I'm in the middle of a fight. 0.99

01:43:06.000 I just wasn't...

01:43:07.000 What kind of a show?

01:43:08.000 I just wasn't present.

01:43:09.000 I just wasn't thinking about the fight.

01:43:12.000 I just didn't want to be there.

01:43:13.000 That's so weird.

01:43:14.000 And I never felt like that before.

01:43:16.000 So now I started working with this guy Brian Kane.

01:43:19.000 He worked with GSP after GSP lost to...

01:43:23.000 Matt Serra.

01:43:24.000 First fight.

01:43:25.000 I started working with him and then I started working with Brian.

01:43:28.000 And it's just all about just being super present.

01:43:30.000 Not even just in fighting, but just in life. 1.00

01:43:33.000 Not worrying about what I gotta do later or stupid shit like that. 0.99

01:43:36.000 Just being in that moment and just focusing in on that because that's all you can control. 0.99

01:43:40.000 I was so caught up in thinking about the future or what happened the day before.

01:43:45.000 If I had a bad day of training, I'd let it bother me.

01:43:48.000 And it just came out of the fight, but...

01:43:50.000 I just wasn't in the moment.

01:43:52.000 And that's like, now I just try to be in the moment in everything I'm doing.

01:43:56.000 Just super present, not thinking too far ahead, not thinking about the past.

01:43:59.000 And that's something I used to get caught up in a lot.

01:44:01.000 Just not being focused on.

01:44:04.000 I was just so worried about my next session, or my next this, or thinking about my fight.

01:44:10.000 Things I can't control.

01:44:11.000 I can't control that far, but all I can control is what I'm doing in this moment.

01:44:16.000 So what is it that you do So we just have drills.

01:44:21.000 Say if I'm sparring and if something's not going my way, just little signals just to bring myself back into what I'm doing.

01:44:31.000 If a round doesn't go my way, not getting too caught up on that and just knowing I have another round and I can just get back into that.

01:44:40.000 Just having these signal lights.

01:44:41.000 It's called red, green, red?

01:44:45.000 Red, yellow, green.

01:44:46.000 So green, all systems go.

01:44:48.000 You're having the best training session of your life.

01:44:50.000 Yellow, you're starting to get in your head a little bit.

01:44:52.000 It's not working out.

01:44:54.000 You're not getting off your shots.

01:44:55.000 You're not getting off your takedowns.

01:44:56.000 Red, you're getting pieced up.

01:44:58.000 Your mind's going other places. 0.99

01:45:00.000 You don't want to fucking be there anymore. 0.96

01:45:02.000 And when you get in the red, you have to have... 0.98

01:45:04.000 He works with baseball players.

01:45:07.000 Say you're about to get struck out.

01:45:10.000 The batter will step out of the box.

01:45:12.000 They'll take off their gloves and they'll...

01:45:15.000 They'll, like, do, like...

01:45:16.000 They'll, like, tap their shoulder or something, and it's just, like...

01:45:18.000 A reset.

01:45:19.000 A reset.

01:45:19.000 And that's exactly...

01:45:20.000 That's exactly what it is.

01:45:21.000 So, like, if I'm having, like, a bad session, like, obviously I'm not gonna fucking, like, tap my head or something like that, but just, like, talking to myself and just...

01:45:29.000 Just knowing, like, I'm... 0.63

01:45:30.000 All right, like, you're good.

01:45:31.000 Like, bring it back.

01:45:32.000 Like, just relax.

01:45:32.000 So how do you reset?

01:45:34.000 Like, is there a very specific thing that you do?

01:45:36.000 Just talk...

01:45:36.000 Just...

01:45:36.000 I just talk to myself.

01:45:37.000 Just...

01:45:37.000 And, like, what do you say to yourself?

01:45:38.000 Just looking at myself.

01:45:39.000 Just, um...

01:45:40.000 We have, like, uh...

01:45:41.000 Our affirmations for my last fight were, I control what I can control.

01:45:48.000 I trust my training.

01:45:49.000 I'm aggressive and always moving forward.

01:45:51.000 And then we'd have a funny one to make it not that serious. 0.99

01:45:54.000 It was, I'm confident, I'm cocky, I'm motherfucking rocky. 0.97

01:45:57.000 And it would just make you laugh. 0.99

01:45:59.000 And before my fight with Kelvin, I'm fucking in the bathroom and I'm saying these affirmations and then I'll laugh because it's not that serious, but small little things like that just to bring it back and just be present. 0.74

01:46:12.000 And then I started working with another guy through my management company. 0.92

01:46:20.000 His name is Brandon Epstein.

01:46:22.000 And we would visualize the fights.

01:46:26.000 So every week we'd meet on the call and We go from visualizing being in the locker room.

01:46:33.000 Well, even before that, the most nervous I would get before a fight is that shower at 12 o'clock fight day.

01:46:41.000 You get a shower, and you know the car's coming to pick you up in two hours.

01:46:45.000 So we'd like close our eyes and we'd start in the shower.

01:46:48.000 I'd shower, get changed.

01:46:49.000 Car would pick you up.

01:46:51.000 We're walking to the locker room.

01:46:53.000 We're in the locker room.

01:46:54.000 We're hitting pads.

01:46:55.000 We're warming up, getting your hands wrapped, making that walk.

01:46:58.000 And then like for 5, 10, 50, however long I'd be just eyes closed visualizing how I want the fight to go.

01:47:05.000 Bad situations, good situations, and then eventually winning the fight and visualizing talking to you or talking to DC, and I would do these mental reps over and over and over again.

01:47:15.000 Sitting in the sauna, I would do it.

01:47:17.000 Sitting in the cold tub, I would do it.

01:47:20.000 I would have my affirmations so, like, timed up if I was going in the cold for three minutes, I knew how many times I would have to say them, and then my three minutes would be up. 0.99

01:47:29.000 And that's all in training camp, and I would just do that shit over and over and over again. 0.93

01:47:34.000 Mmm, and and that was something you'd never done never done before cuz um You never like I would never think about it And then before you know it you get there and you're like fuck I just it feels brand new to you again because you only fight a couple of times a year if you're lucky but instead I've seen these things a million times in my mind already like yeah physically I wasn't there but mentally like I I'm already in this locker room. 0.99

01:47:59.000 I've already walked in the cage. 0.64

01:48:01.000 I already made the walk.

01:48:02.000 They would make custom music for me that I would listen with my walkout music, Kelvin's walkout music, crowd noise, and I would listen to it before sparring and when I'm shadowboxing and shit like that.

01:48:15.000 And I just felt so prepared doing it.

01:48:18.000 And I just never did anything like that before. 0.99

01:48:21.000 And yeah, it's a fucking game changer. 0.62

01:48:23.000 That's interesting because they do say that visualization actually helps skill learning as much as training. 0.97

01:48:30.000 Like if you are training, but then also visualizing things and spending as much time, your training, your improvements will be compounded.

01:48:38.000 Oh, 100%.

01:48:39.000 And I'm blanking on a million other things we do, but that's the big ones.

01:48:42.000 Just visualizing what you want to do.

01:48:45.000 And not just the good, the bad too.

01:48:47.000 So I would think about if I... We're good to go.

01:49:12.000 Visualizing the bad, but still making it out with the good, which I didn't do with Bilal.

01:49:16.000 Like, he rocked me in that moment, and I was still there.

01:49:19.000 Instead of just making that switch and be like, you're good, like, go back, and just getting back to the fight, I just never could get back.

01:49:27.000 Is that partially attributable just also to getting hit?

01:49:31.000 Like, because sometimes when guys get hit, they're out of it.

01:49:34.000 Like, you've seen many guys that go back to the fourth round, and they don't know what round it is.

01:49:39.000 I remember everything.

01:49:42.000 It definitely buzzed me, but I remember just putting my hands up, and I just couldn't throw my punch, and I heard the 10-second clap go off.

01:49:52.000 I thought I was going to get saved by the belt, and I was going to make it to the next round, and I never did.

01:49:57.000 Well, it was an interesting stoppage, because it was one of the rare UFC stoppages with the guy standing up.

01:50:03.000 Yeah.

01:50:03.000 It's very rare.

01:50:04.000 And that's what I'm saying.

01:50:06.000 I didn't get dropped and I remember everything.

01:50:08.000 I remember hearing the clapper.

01:50:10.000 My coaches were right behind me.

01:50:11.000 I could hear my coach John screaming, he's good, he's good, he's good!

01:50:15.000 And he stopped it, which, good on him, but I just couldn't do what I wanted to do.

01:50:22.000 It was the weirdest feeling.

01:50:24.000 Well, it's so subjective when a fight gets stopped and when it doesn't get stopped.

01:50:27.000 And the thing that sucks the most is when a fight is stopped too late.

01:50:32.000 Yeah.

01:50:32.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:50:34.000 You know, the Jalen Turner, Bobby Green fight?

01:50:36.000 That was bad.

01:50:37.000 Jesus Christ.

01:50:38.000 That was bad.

01:50:38.000 That was so bad.

01:50:39.000 You were cage-side for that, right?

01:50:40.000 Oh my God.

01:50:41.000 I was like, stop the fight.

01:50:42.000 What is happening here?

01:50:43.000 I think it was like 20-something unanswered strikes or something like that.

01:50:48.000 That is so hard to watch.

01:50:51.000 Yeah, it was...

01:50:51.000 So unnecessary.

01:50:53.000 It was bad.

01:50:54.000 But yeah, back to the...

01:50:55.000 The mental performance stuff, it all came down to me being focused for 15 minutes. 0.95

01:51:04.000 You can be doing anything and you're fucking driving, but you're looking off. 0.93

01:51:08.000 You're not in the moment. 0.99

01:51:10.000 That's something now I try to do in everything I do in my life.

01:51:14.000 If I'm walking my dog, I'll leave my phone at home.

01:51:17.000 Just try to be... 0.99

01:51:18.000 Present doing the thing you're doing at the time, not wearing, there's so much noise and other shit. 0.98

01:51:23.000 And when I'm fighting, like the only thing I'm fucking thinking about is fighting.

01:51:28.000 Well, just having the tools in terms of like having strategies and having a pathway that's already carved in your mind for all of these different scenarios has got to be beneficial. 0.91

01:51:38.000 It's way better than just winging it.

01:51:40.000 No, yeah, and that's the thing.

01:51:41.000 If you're just winging it...

01:51:42.000 They wanted me to even get to the arena and go walk it before the fight.

01:51:48.000 I couldn't get in.

01:51:49.000 They used to have GSP go in the day before the fight and actually already be in the arena and feel that and already see that. 0.95

01:51:57.000 I couldn't do that this fight, but if I get the chance, before I go and fight my next fight, I'm going to go fucking... 0.71

01:52:02.000 Walk around that cage feel the canvas and just yeah because you only get to do it once. 0.87

01:52:07.000 So Kelvin was ranked right?

01:52:09.000 Where was Kelvin at?

01:52:10.000 He was ranked at middle weight.

01:52:12.000 Oh, yeah, so this way because it's debut.

01:52:15.000 He I was number nine going into that fight.

01:52:17.000 I'm number seven now because he was originally supposed to fight Shavka.

01:52:21.000 Shavka got hurt and then They matched us up And I don't know what he's going to do if he's going to stay at 70, go back to 85, but I'm number 7 at 70 now.

01:52:33.000 I don't think he has that hard of a time making it down to 170. I just think he has to make some adjustments.

01:52:37.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:52:39.000 When you go back to when Calvin was in his prime...

01:52:42.000 I just really think 170 was always the weight for him.

01:52:45.000 I just think he needs to do it the right way.

01:52:47.000 He needs to do it at the PI. If you look at the people he's beat, he's fought everyone.

01:52:52.000 Everybody.

01:52:53.000 And the guys he's lost to, they're all close fights.

01:52:56.000 How about the Adesanya fight?

01:52:57.000 Very close.

01:52:58.000 Very close.

01:52:59.000 I watched that fight so many times. 1.00

01:53:01.000 I'm like, dude, he's fucking... 0.99

01:53:03.000 Calvin's good. 0.99

01:53:04.000 He's fast. 0.99

01:53:05.000 That one-two, that right-left, that fucking straight-left he has? 0.94

01:53:09.000 I had so many guys, like, just getting ready for that fight because I've watched all of these fights. 0.95

01:53:13.000 I watched what he did to all these guys when he knocked out Bisbon, when he knocked...

01:53:17.000 He beat Jacare.

01:53:18.000 Like, he's beating all these guys.

01:53:20.000 He beat, um...

01:53:21.000 Johnny Hendricks. 0.97

01:53:23.000 You go and look at his record, you're like, holy shit, this guy fought all these guys, and he has so much experience. 0.54

01:53:28.000 I think he had five or six main events. 0.93

01:53:31.000 He fought Chris Weidman, dropped him bad in the first round. 0.97

01:53:34.000 Weidman submitted him in the third round, but fucking got floored before that. 0.99

01:53:38.000 So you're thinking, this is at 185, he's going to hit way harder at 170, so I trained my fucking ass off for that fight. 0.98

01:53:46.000 But yeah, once I got him to the ground, I'm like... 0.96

01:53:49.000 This is where I'm going to win this.

01:53:50.000 Well, you are in that weight class one of the absolute elite grapplers and that was really established in that fight.

01:53:57.000 Yeah.

01:53:58.000 I mean, I was so impressed with your control, your ability.

01:54:00.000 I mean, he's a good grappler.

01:54:01.000 Yeah.

01:54:01.000 Kelvin's a very good grappler.

01:54:03.000 And you were manhandling him.

01:54:04.000 Yeah.

01:54:05.000 It's like the same thing.

01:54:07.000 I have a path I'm going to do on the ground.

01:54:11.000 And you turn this way, I have something for that.

01:54:14.000 It's like a map in my mind.

01:54:16.000 You might think you're getting out, but I'm just...

01:54:20.000 Putting you in a direction I want to put you on.

01:54:23.000 I love that slow cook approach.

01:54:27.000 Take you down, wear you out.

01:54:29.000 Second round, same thing.

01:54:31.000 I submitted Jake Matthews in the third, Kelvin in the third.

01:54:35.000 Obviously, if I can get it in the first round, but when you wear on guys, there's nothing better than that feeling.

01:54:40.000 Because you can feel it.

01:54:42.000 You can feel when you're on top of somebody and they're just slowly, slowly, their energy is just getting zapped.

01:54:48.000 So have there been talks about when you're going to come back and who you might likely be facing?

01:54:54.000 So there's that Atlantic City card.

01:54:56.000 It's March 30th.

01:54:58.000 So it's still like 11, 12 weeks away.

01:55:02.000 I just want to make sure my hand's good before I go back into anything.

01:55:05.000 So maybe April time frame will be there, but...

01:55:10.000 I would like the Colby fight.

01:55:12.000 He's ranked 5 now.

01:55:13.000 He hasn't beaten anybody inside the top 15. He has no ranked wins.

01:55:18.000 Masvidal doesn't fight anymore.

01:55:20.000 All the guys he's beat, they're not even in the UFC. And then there's Wonderboy right ahead of me.

01:55:25.000 I don't know what he's going to do.

01:55:27.000 They don't want to put him with a grappler.

01:55:31.000 And I get that.

01:55:32.000 But if it's going to be like that...

01:55:34.000 I don't think you should be in the rankings either.

01:55:36.000 If you're going to pick and choose, and he deserves to, he's done a lot in the sport, go have your fun fights, like Terrence Crawford, but put someone else in the division.

01:55:45.000 But yeah, there's a couple big fights.

01:55:48.000 Luque's right behind me, so that could be a fight that they could match us up.

01:55:52.000 Have they given you any indication of which way they might be going?

01:55:55.000 Not yet, not yet.

01:55:57.000 How does that work?

01:55:58.000 Do you just get a call one day?

01:56:00.000 They reach out to your manager, I guess, and then your manager calls you and they're like, hey, this is what they're thinking.

01:56:05.000 And then it's literally that simple.

01:56:08.000 You just go from there.

01:56:09.000 But if you have an injury or something like that, you kind of let them know what's going on.

01:56:13.000 I just told them I'm like give me a week or two to see kind of how my hands feeling and because I'm going to try to do absolutely nothing and just let it rest and if it feels good like I would love to fight in AC like I fought in AC I won belts in AC like it's it was like my bat fighting in Philly or fighting in AC like right fucking we'd all go out and party afterwards when we were younger it was great but what was the drive like 45 minutes like an hour It's the easiest drive ever.

01:56:40.000 But being hungover, driving home, you're like, alright, it's only an hour.

01:56:43.000 It's not that bad. 0.98

01:56:44.000 We used to get fucking rowdy. 0.88

01:56:46.000 And AC, when I was younger, it would be awesome to do that again. 0.99

01:56:49.000 But I don't want to rush into it and start a training camp with my hand fucked up.

01:56:56.000 Especially because I'm in a good position now. 0.85

01:56:58.000 I'm number seven.

01:56:59.000 I had a big win.

01:57:00.000 Yeah.

01:57:02.000 Yeah, I would like to Colby just because he's always gotten...

01:57:07.000 He's won his fights, but he's always kind of gotten an easier path to the title.

01:57:14.000 So I think he should have to fight somebody younger than him, ranked behind him, and then if he deserves it, he'll win that fight, and then he can go back.

01:57:21.000 But if not...

01:57:22.000 Let the younger guys move up.

01:57:24.000 It's going to be interesting what happens with him now after that fight because it's obvious that you can't give him another title shot.

01:57:31.000 No.

01:57:31.000 Right?

01:57:32.000 So it's not like he can go right back in.

01:57:34.000 Yeah.

01:57:34.000 He absolutely could earn another title shot in the future with a bunch of wins.

01:57:39.000 Yeah.

01:57:39.000 It's still possible.

01:57:40.000 Yeah.

01:57:41.000 But, you know, what is that path?

01:57:42.000 Like, and who do they match him up with?

01:57:44.000 He was calling out Wonderboy.

01:57:46.000 I'm like, no.

01:57:47.000 Like, come on.

01:57:48.000 Like...

01:57:51.000 You're one of the best grapplers in the division.

01:57:53.000 I'm one of the best. 0.99

01:57:54.000 Let's fucking, me and you do it. 1.00

01:57:57.000 And let's see who wins. 0.99

01:57:58.000 We're right next to each other in the rankings.

01:58:00.000 That's what I want.

01:58:01.000 I'd love to see that fight.

01:58:02.000 Yeah, that's what I want. 1.00

01:58:03.000 Well, listen, Sean, you're a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:58:04.000 Appreciate you. 1.00

01:58:05.000 Always love watching fight.

01:58:07.000 Thank you, Joe.

01:58:07.000 Super high level.

01:58:08.000 I love watching high level grappling.

01:58:11.000 It's so awesome.

01:58:12.000 Looking up, I didn't realize. 0.97

01:58:14.000 I seen you, and I didn't realize fucking Gordon was right next to you. 0.97

01:58:17.000 I was talking to Dana. 0.94

01:58:18.000 I'm like, there's Joe.

01:58:19.000 I'm like, there's Gordon. 0.99

01:58:20.000 I'm like, damn, this is... 0.98

01:58:21.000 It was awesome, man. 0.99

01:58:23.000 Fucking thank you for having me, man. 0.89

01:58:24.000 Hey, my pleasure, brother. 0.98

01:58:25.000 It was cool being there.

01:58:26.000 We're inside.

01:58:27.000 Dude, I like watching fights so much better than commentating.

01:58:30.000 If you could just get to sit there and watch, it's so fun.

01:58:32.000 And that fight was really fun.

01:58:34.000 It was really fun to be able to watch live up front.

01:58:36.000 So congratulations.

01:58:37.000 Thank you, Joe.

01:58:38.000 And good luck to you, brother.

01:58:39.000 Thank you, brother.

01:58:39.000 I appreciate it.

01:58:40.000 Tell everybody your Instagram and social media.

01:58:43.000 SeanBradyMMA on Instagram.

01:58:45.000 And yeah, that's it.

01:58:46.000 Okay.

01:58:47.000 Good luck.

01:58:48.000 Thank you, Joe.

01:58:48.000 Thanks, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 11, 2024

JRE MMA Show #152 with Sean Brady

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