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00:00:46.000But I'm finding now, I'm trying to find that balance of if it's a hard morning MMA sparring session, night time will be jujitsu and I'll try to make it light.
00:00:56.000But you know how you drill, then you start rolling and when you're rolling hard, It's almost just as...
00:01:02.000I get injured sometimes more during jiu-jitsu, so...
00:01:09.000I was telling my wife, because my hand, I was coming out here, I was like, maybe I can go and I can just, like, drill with Gordon and those guys.
00:01:15.000She was like, you ain't fucking drilling with no...
00:01:18.000If you guys start rolling light, like, there's not gonna be any of that.
00:02:03.000I'm back running and then I start to feel that pain I was telling you about and I literally just kept running like I'd run once I was warmed up like you know it is you warm up the injuries kind of go away like you feel good until you cool down and I did that for a couple months and I had a fight scheduled and I tore my groin and then I rescheduled the fight I did my rehab and this first week back of training it tore again so it was a shitty road Have you had any surgeries?
00:02:41.000I've been pretty lucky with no surgeries, but a lot of injuries.
00:02:45.000Isn't the deviated septum one amazing?
00:02:47.000When I got it done, and when you have to have those things in your nose for a week, though, as soon as they pull them out, you feel like a new human.
00:05:02.000You do the HRV in the morning and stuff like that.
00:05:04.000I just I love buying them and I just try them and I like compare them like I'll wear everything and I'll do the echo bike workout and I'll compare like my heart rates and stuff like that.
00:05:31.000If I sleep on my back, my wife will hit me and she's like, you're fucking snoring.
00:05:35.000I'll turn on my side, and I won't snore anymore, and then I added the mouth tape, and I just started doing no THC, but just CBD gummies, and my wife too, she's a nurse.
00:05:46.000She's like getting the best fucking sleep she's ever had.
00:05:48.000Our deep, because you can see the deep sleep on there.
00:06:21.000So time to recover is 44. That's me today for sure.
00:06:25.000Trade carefully is 75. And then good day ahead is 96. This was my one when I wore the mouth tape and the CBD. My heart rate was 38. Yeah, that's great.
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00:07:14.000I like it, but can't wear it during MMA practice or anything like that, so I'll take it off, but I was getting almost too caught up with the whoop, because you wake up when you're in a training camp, you're most likely going to be in the yellow or the red.
00:07:27.000You're not always going to be in the green, then it's like telling you to take it easy.
00:07:31.000It's like, I fucking can't take it easy.
00:07:34.000You have to find the balance of knowing, like, I actually really feel like shit or this thing's just telling me I feel like shit.
00:07:38.000It's really funny that balance between, like, especially when someone's just completely obsessed.
00:07:44.000Like, I was listening to this or watching this video where Craig Jones was talking about when he was training, especially when he was first starting out, He was training every day.
00:07:52.000And he went to a doctor, and the doctor's like, you might have cancer.
00:09:55.000That's, like, in camp we do a lot of, uh, the belt squat walks.
00:09:59.000So we'll do three five minute rounds of, We'll put on, like, if I'm fighting it, I fight at 170, we put on 170 pounds, and we walk for five minutes, like, just side to side, rest one minute, and we do it for three rounds.
00:10:40.000It's interesting when you see fighters training in their strength and conditioning routines because it's so hard to figure out what's the optimal balance between strength work and skill work.
00:10:52.000And then we were talking about how GSP, especially towards the end of his career, all he did was do skills.
00:10:58.000He didn't really do any strength and conditioning.
00:11:01.000Well, because think about the NFL. If you go into the Eagles or the Steelers, they might have different coaches and small things they do, but almost everything they're doing is going to be the same.
00:11:12.000They have that strength system figured out.
00:11:15.000MMA guys, I know guys who don't work out at all.
00:11:45.000But like you were saying, Bo, I think there's definitely a point of no return where you go too hard.
00:11:51.000Those workouts like they kind of start to pull away from all your skill training because if I have to recover for fucking four days from a bike workout, I just missed maybe potentially eight sessions that I could have been working on my skill.
00:12:02.000And that's something I'm still like I had to figure out.
00:12:05.000Well, you know, Marv Marinovich who was training BJ Penn when BJ was the fucking man.
00:12:11.000There was a time where, like people forget, there was a time when BJ was in his prime where I would put BJ against any 155 pounder that ever left.
00:12:38.000Like, giving him a fucking insane gas tank where he can go as hard as he wants.
00:12:44.000Do your drills, do your own stuff, but to have extensive MMA training, they're like for six weeks or eight weeks, you already know how to fight.
00:14:16.000But I needed to get back, and I got into it.
00:14:19.000But 195, like, 10% body fat, like, that's where my DEXA scans at, and that's where I feel great, like, 195. And then I'll slowly get down to 190, and that's where I start my, like, actual water cut from.
00:15:43.000I feel like you're already into that cut, though.
00:15:46.000So if you're going to sleep bad, I think you're going to sleep bad regardless.
00:15:50.000So I'd just rather not have that stress of, like, fuck, I've got to wake up and cut.
00:15:53.000I know guys who wake up, they cut 10, 15 pounds.
00:15:56.000But that's how we used to do it when the weigh-ins were at 6 o'clock because you had all that time.
00:16:00.000Now they're at 9, so I try to sleep until 7, right?
00:16:03.000Get up and then you have to be over there by 8, 8.30, try to be one of the first ones on the scale and then just start hammering those liquids back in.
00:16:58.000Yeah, because if guys are cheating and getting away, because guys are definitely getting away with taking PEDs, there's a way to get away with, like, what are they going to test for?
00:17:06.000The traces of the plastic in your blood?
00:17:09.000But from what I heard, we're drinking shit that has plastic in it all the time, so how are you going to know it's an IV? That's a good question.
00:17:16.000I was hoping that with this new thing with USADA being done, we were going to be able to IV. But I was talking to Charles from the PI. He said the science, I don't know behind it, but he was saying it's better orally to do it anyway.
00:17:28.000You're better off doing it with the amount of time we have than IV. So I'm like, hey, I get all my weight back on.
00:20:21.000But the guy was taking over from USADA and they were saying no because peptides, you'll get popped for it at each individual commission.
00:20:29.000So if you're in Florida and they don't allow it, you test there, the Florida Commission will pop you for it.
00:20:34.000Yeah, because I was asking him, he said even if they didn't allow it, he said all the states, like they won't give you, it's called a TUE, some kind of exemption, and they said none of them would do it.
00:20:44.000So I'm like, alright, well just good to know.
00:20:46.000But like stem cells and stuff like that, like As far as I know, that's all good to go.
00:28:32.000I wasn't even remotely hesitant in the beginning.
00:28:35.000And just by luck, I get there on Saturday for the fight and I call the doctor and I say, hey, I thought they could do it for me at the arena.
00:28:46.000So I was going to do it, get vaccinated, and just call the fight.
00:30:02.000They made a super small window where they had to be there, whether you had work or if you didn't have work, and you had to get tested three times a week or some stupid shit like that.
00:30:11.000So they were making it super hard for the nurses who didn't get vaccinated to do their job.
00:30:16.000I'm like, yo, these are the people who are saving these fucking people who are coming in who are sick.
00:30:20.000And almost all of them get exposed to it, and almost all of them develop natural immunity.
00:30:25.000They were trying to pretend that natural immunity was bullshit.
00:30:29.000I've heard people say it recently, natural immunity has been debunked.
00:31:47.000But, like, at Leglock or, like, Craig or anyone else, like, you still have all those other submissions you can do.
00:31:52.000So, it's not like you're getting handicapped that fucking bad, where, like, people were giving me shit online, like, oh, you had a handicap on this and that.
00:36:32.000When people look at all-time greats, you gotta look at them when they're in their prime.
00:36:37.000Sometimes guys get injured, they fall apart, things happen, they get old, and then you're looking at these fights where they're getting beaten up.
00:38:43.000Great addition to the team, but he loves our team.
00:38:45.000We're a small team, but we just fuck in.
00:38:47.000We just grind, and we just want everyone to keep getting better, but John Marquez is our head coach, and we go hard, but now, if it gets out of control, he steps right in and shuts that shit down.
00:40:00.000That arm pump we get from when I put, like, I get the smallest hand wraps.
00:40:05.000Like, I tell whoever's wrapped, I'm like, give me a grappler's wrap.
00:40:07.000Like, I almost want nothing because once you have that wrap on, you have the glove on, like, when you're trying to close your fist, I'm like, I'm getting fucking arm pumped just from trying to close my fucking It's Trevor.
00:41:02.000Gaethje's the best one to do it and then obviously Trevor too like they're an amazing combo and they're making amazing shit like the headgear is great because headgears like your windows this big next thing you know like you're trying to kick box and you can't see the guy's legs you're getting fucking kicked in the head exactly and you're trying to shoot you're shooting into a knee but his like super wide and it's so thin and you're really just wearing it to prevent cuts right because Realistically,
00:41:26.000if you have a big-ass headgear on, when I see someone wearing a headgear, I'm like, that's a bigger fucking target.
00:42:08.000But in the beginning of training camps, I broke my nose.
00:42:11.000So you have to spar the entire camp with that nose guard, and it fucking sucks, and it still touches your nose, and you probably get fucked up more with it on.
00:45:04.000And he just went through two camps in a row.
00:45:08.000Yeah, and it's almost like in our minds, we always think more is better.
00:45:13.000And I'll take a day off now, or even just a session, like a night session, and I'll come in the next day, and you want to get after it more.
00:45:21.000It gives you that, like, I fucking can't wait to get back in there.
00:45:24.000And then you feel fresh when you go into that.
00:46:12.000But I think two days is probably the way to go.
00:46:15.000Or even like Thursday, like I'll do a jujitsu session in the morning and take the rest of the day off.
00:46:20.000And that'll be like a lighter day or something like that because we're doing so, like I've counted my sessions and by the end of it, including like every workout I do, I'm at like 22 or 23 workouts in a week.
00:48:03.000It is interesting that this sport, which is relatively recent, the UFC didn't even exist before 1993, and yet guys here in 2024 are still kind of just...
00:51:45.000You should be in the biggest camp possible, like ATT. They're bringing in people.
00:51:48.000But, you know, I've talked to guys that train there and go, yeah, but then you're in these sparring sessions with these Russian guys you've never heard of, and they're fucking straight-up killers.
00:53:37.000But his best friend, Jaroslav from Bellator, I don't know how to say his last name, he's going to come over and train with us too.
00:53:44.000So I brought in Drew Dober in my last camp, so we have Neil Magny come in, Eric Anders was just up, so our gym's starting to get recognized, which is That's awesome.
00:53:53.000Well, I mean for a small gym you got six guys fighting in the UFC and a bunch of fucking real killers.
00:54:01.000We got a couple like Pat's fighting in AC, Andre's fighting in AC, so we'll all be only kind of like fighting around the same times, which there's nothing better than that.
00:54:10.000Like when your teammates are fighting and you're in camp, it sucks being in camp when you're by yourself.
00:55:49.000And ever since then, like, I started working with two mental performance coaches, and I'm just, like, a completely different person now.
00:55:56.000But it's the best thing that ever happened to me.
00:55:58.000That's a lot of times fighters say that.
00:56:00.000It's like, you need to feel the sting of defeat.
00:56:03.000I'm telling you Joe the minute I lost it felt like like a fucking like a Bronco was lifted off my shoulders like I was so like I was like yo like this is gonna be this is gonna be the best thing ever happened me because the just the pressure of being undefeated let it go like every time like I was going to fight I'm like I had the pressure of not only just losing and what comes with losing but I'm like If I lose my record,
00:59:00.000Say whatever you want about me, my team, whatever, but, like, you start talking about people's, like, their parents, their wives, their kids, especially if one of them's dead, like, you're a fucking...
00:59:09.000Like, that shit you get fucked up in the parking lot for.
00:59:11.000Like, you don't do shit like that, you know what I'm saying?
01:00:01.000He still won the fight handily, but at the end of the fight, when Kobe's on top of him at the very end of the fight, that doesn't look good.
01:01:55.000Like, he's still fucking dangerous, man.
01:01:57.000I don't think people realize, like, You go in there, and you have 15 minutes, and you could have woke up that day, had the fucking worst headache.
01:02:04.000You could feel like shit, or it just could not be your night.
01:02:07.000So that's why, in that moment, you have to make the best of it, but some days, it's just not your day.
01:04:35.000Like him, it was nice to see Cowboy be done when he was done, because like I was telling you earlier, when Cowboy was on, I think he was the best fighter in the fucking world.
01:04:46.000He was so goddamn good, and he would fuck us all up down to the ranting.
01:04:51.000Me, Jonovan Webb, Paul, he would beat the shit out of everybody, and then Yeah, like, even Jim Miller.
01:04:58.000I remember him head-kicking Jim Miller when they first fought in AC, knocked him out, and then his last fight was Jim Miller, and Jim got the best of him.
01:05:05.000So it's like, alright, it's time to...
01:05:18.000And that's another thing I think, like, I just did, I started working with Merrick Health.
01:05:22.000I just did all my blood work last week, so I'm waiting for that just to, like, see where we're at, like, after fights, you know?
01:05:28.000So, like, check my testosterone, just check all my shit.
01:05:31.000I'm trying to, like, really, like, dial all that shit in.
01:05:34.000And a lot of guys don't do that, you know?
01:05:36.000Well, I think if you want to compete against the best of the best, you gotta cross all your T's and dot all your I's.
01:05:42.000You gotta make sure all your ducks are in a row.
01:05:45.000And the difference between the guys who are just super talented, who don't take care of nutrition and still perform at a very high level, And the guys who are also talented, like yourself, but dial everything in.
01:07:04.000I was going to train with him this week.
01:07:05.000I can't wait to train with him, though.
01:07:06.000But I remember seeing those guys back at Henzo's because I was going to the Henzo's Couple times a week training in the blue basement and I'd see like Gordon and Craig when they were all still together and there were savages back then and They're still fucking doing it.
01:07:22.000Yeah, when you look at a guy who's 28 years old universally accepted as the greatest ever next next nuts He's next level and that motherfucker doesn't take a day.
01:07:32.000No days off crazy 365 days a year They're working on something and I'm sure they're training hard Training hard and working on skills, and they watch tape, and they break technique down.
01:07:43.000It's not just like, ah, good enough, go home.
01:11:24.000And he went on to have some fucking good fights after that, but I was watching his career in PFL, and it was just sad to see the way he went out.
01:11:32.000Well, I mean, I think you go through a fight like that, you don't ever recover fully.
01:11:46.000It's training times 10. I've come out of fights where...
01:11:52.000Quick fight for me, but I still, like, I don't even, like, I'll hit my elbow.
01:11:57.000I'm like, what the fuck did I do to my, like, you just come out of a fight and you're like, you still feel beat up even if it wasn't, like, a super hard fight.
01:12:03.000Like, even my fight with Kelvin, like, I didn't land, like, any crazy right hands, but my fucking hand's been killing me for the last month.
01:12:12.000And then you go through something like that.
01:12:15.000Do you do any hyperbaric chamber work?
01:12:18.000My strength coach has one and I got in it and I was having like TMJ or something and I got in there and my fucking ears start to pop and I got kind of freaked out and I got out.
01:13:17.000I mean, I think the argument is that it gives you a performance-enhancing benefit, but I just think all it does is aid in recovery from injuries.
01:13:25.000And I think if you're dealing with a sport where guys are literally training and preparing to injure each other, that's what you do.
01:13:33.000And you're getting injured while training, preparing to injure each other.
01:14:49.000They had them saved at one point, but then they went away with that, so you'd have to redo it.
01:14:53.000Any medications you take, and then the dude has to come watch you piss, you have to pick out a cup.
01:14:58.000I haven't been drug tested by these new guys yet, but come at 3 o'clock.
01:15:03.000Come when I'm home and I'm just sitting on my couch.
01:15:05.000Well, I think the argument against that is if they can catch you, if they come to your house at 9.30 a.m., if you take something that is in your system for a short period of time, but provides benefits, Like if you take some sort of oral testosterone at 9.30 p.m.
01:15:49.000But even with the IVs, I have heard of guys doing IVs still, and I'm like...
01:15:55.000I guess, like you said, they say they trace plastic, but I'm like, how could you even test for that?
01:15:59.000Because if you're drinking fucking gallons of water or whatever you're drinking with plastic, I guess there would be traces of plastic in there.
01:16:06.000Jamie, Google please, how do you detect if someone has had an IV USADA? See if there's a way that explains it.
01:16:15.000Because they were explaining to me that there is a workaround, and the workaround would be if you got all the liquid into a glass vial.
01:16:23.000I was literally, that's what I was thinking.
01:16:25.000Yeah, and then you injected the liquid back into someone's body slowly, and instead of a drip like with a hose, you're just going straight from a glass vial.
01:16:56.000Right, but here's the question, because blood doping, that was a way that, like, Tour de France and a lot of those guys would do it, where they would take blood out of their body.
01:17:06.000And then they'd put it back in, right?
01:17:06.000Yeah, their body would recover and build that blood back up, and then they would put that blood back in so they'd have all this extra blood, and it would give them extra oxygen.
01:17:15.000That, like, blood doping, that's, like, the craziest one.
01:17:18.000If you're gonna do anything, if you just never get tired, that's the most superhuman thing you can fucking do.
01:17:26.000Strength and all that is cool, but if you can just never get tired, that's next level shit.
01:17:32.000Well, there's been guys that get popped for EPO. A DJ. Yeah, well, there's actually a documentary that the UFC did that just came out last week on YouTube.
01:18:34.000When he was preparing for the fight, and then they were, it was like the day of the weigh-ins, you see him walking around, you're like, what in the fuck?
01:21:16.000But I think shoulders, like once that's...
01:21:19.000Shoulders and knees, like I've been pretty, knock on wood, like I feel like once you have a problem with your shoulders or your knees, you're fucked.
01:21:27.000Like you're always going to have, same thing with like if you do that back surgery.
01:22:48.000The only one guy, you know, I'd say no one's ever come back from it, but apparently the guy who won the PFL heavyweight division, he had a broke leg like that, and he came back and he's competing at a high level.
01:23:01.000Well, how about Chris Weidman does it to Anderson Silva, and then he gets it done to him?
01:23:14.000Especially when you think about how few leg breaks like that have been in the UFC. I think there's only been four, and he's been a part of two of them.
01:25:30.000Yeah, he was riding a motorcycle, guy ran a light, T-boned him, he went flying through the air.
01:25:35.000And he, it took a long time before Frank got back on track.
01:25:38.000That's, like, one of the hardest things with me and, like...
01:25:41.000Like I grew up riding dirt bikes and like I love doing shit.
01:25:44.000I'm like but our job's so dangerous already I'm like I can't afford to to do any of these other things like We were up to mountains over the weekend like my brothers like let's go snowboard and I'm like bro like I can't dude like I want to so bad But I'm gonna do all that shit when I'm done fighting like you just can't stack another thing on top of fucking like I have a Ford Raptor I got it all souped up I'm like that's my that's my thing you know like I got a nice truck and But I can't ride bikes yet.
01:26:12.000We just can't afford to stack all those other things on top of our dangerous ass job already.
01:26:17.000Did you see what Sean Strickland was doing the other day?
01:26:19.000Shooting like Roman candles at each other?
01:29:42.000I don't think Izzy was 100% in that training camp either.
01:29:46.000Like, he had that DUI thing, or the DWI, like, right before that, I was like two weeks before that fight, and I think he just thought he was gonna fucking blow Sean out of the water, and Sean's a tough motherfucker.
01:29:58.000After the abuse fight, someone should have looked at that fight and go, listen, this guy is always there.
01:33:21.000He's like, listen, I'm going to kind of slope because he's 27, 28. He's already in the UFC. A couple fights away from being in the top 15, why rush?
01:33:29.000And I feel like that's something I did early on that I wanted to be in the top 15 so bad.
01:33:34.000Then once you get there, you have to wait for the division to play out.
01:33:38.000You have to wait for guys to fight and then you get hurt and then you're sitting on the sidelines.
01:33:42.000Whereas if you're not in the top 15, you can kind of rack up these wins, fight these guys who aren't World-class, but they're still good fighters.
01:33:49.000You can get that experience and then go into the top 15. Yeah, well, that's what they do in boxing, and it's always been the way they did it.
01:33:56.000They test guys, you get tested, but not a fight that you're going to lose.
01:34:00.000A fight that a guy's going to show you some different looks.
01:34:02.000You're going to get, you know, maybe this guy likes to fight inside, maybe this guy's long, fights on the outside.
01:34:07.000You get these different looks, and you learn and grow and develop new skills and get experience, and then you fight for the title.
01:35:29.000You get to a certain point in your career, you deserve that.
01:35:31.000But I'm happy that they did strip him, so now they're going to give Boots that clear path to go let him build his resume and fight the guys.
01:35:39.000But I don't even know who's in that division.
01:35:42.000Well, it's like right now, Terrence is locked up with Errol Spence again, because Errol Spence, he exercised the rematch gloves.
01:36:17.000We had the UFC fights and those fights going on, and he just seemed like he was on a different level the entire time.
01:36:25.000Yeah, he's so smart, and he's so technical, and he also has that incredible ability to shift.
01:36:30.000He can switch stances and fight just as good southpaws as orthodox.
01:36:34.000He, uh, I think it was like, I think he was fighting Sean Porter and his coach was like telling him like, yo, he's, it was like the 10th round.
01:40:49.000Is it best to be with a small gym with really good coaches where they give you individual attention and they really know what you're doing?
01:40:57.000When you're on, when you're peaking, where you're at, versus going to a mega gym, like ATT. So my coach, John, he's the only person that holds pads for me.
01:41:09.000He watches all my sparring sessions, like he does for all of us, and then he'll send my sparring to Dean.
01:42:55.000When I fought Bilal, I remember I was just thinking about other shit and then I'd come back to the present and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?
01:45:21.000So, like, if I'm having, like, a bad session, like, obviously I'm not gonna fucking, like, tap my head or something like that, but just, like, talking to myself and just...
01:45:59.000And before my fight with Kelvin, I'm fucking in the bathroom and I'm saying these affirmations and then I'll laugh because it's not that serious, but small little things like that just to bring it back and just be present.
01:46:12.000And then I started working with another guy through my management company.
01:46:55.000We're warming up, getting your hands wrapped, making that walk.
01:46:58.000And then like for 5, 10, 50, however long I'd be just eyes closed visualizing how I want the fight to go.
01:47:05.000Bad situations, good situations, and then eventually winning the fight and visualizing talking to you or talking to DC, and I would do these mental reps over and over and over again.
01:47:17.000Sitting in the cold tub, I would do it.
01:47:20.000I would have my affirmations so, like, timed up if I was going in the cold for three minutes, I knew how many times I would have to say them, and then my three minutes would be up.
01:47:29.000And that's all in training camp, and I would just do that shit over and over and over again.
01:47:34.000Mmm, and and that was something you'd never done never done before cuz um You never like I would never think about it And then before you know it you get there and you're like fuck I just it feels brand new to you again because you only fight a couple of times a year if you're lucky but instead I've seen these things a million times in my mind already like yeah physically I wasn't there but mentally like I I'm already in this locker room.
01:48:02.000They would make custom music for me that I would listen with my walkout music, Kelvin's walkout music, crowd noise, and I would listen to it before sparring and when I'm shadowboxing and shit like that.
01:48:47.000So I would think about if I... We're good to go.
01:49:12.000Visualizing the bad, but still making it out with the good, which I didn't do with Bilal.
01:49:16.000Like, he rocked me in that moment, and I was still there.
01:49:19.000Instead of just making that switch and be like, you're good, like, go back, and just getting back to the fight, I just never could get back.
01:49:27.000Is that partially attributable just also to getting hit?
01:49:31.000Like, because sometimes when guys get hit, they're out of it.
01:49:34.000Like, you've seen many guys that go back to the fourth round, and they don't know what round it is.
01:49:42.000It definitely buzzed me, but I remember just putting my hands up, and I just couldn't throw my punch, and I heard the 10-second clap go off.
01:49:52.000I thought I was going to get saved by the belt, and I was going to make it to the next round, and I never did.
01:49:57.000Well, it was an interesting stoppage, because it was one of the rare UFC stoppages with the guy standing up.
01:51:18.000Present doing the thing you're doing at the time, not wearing, there's so much noise and other shit.
01:51:23.000And when I'm fighting, like the only thing I'm fucking thinking about is fighting.
01:51:28.000Well, just having the tools in terms of like having strategies and having a pathway that's already carved in your mind for all of these different scenarios has got to be beneficial.
01:52:12.000Oh, yeah, so this way because it's debut.
01:52:15.000He I was number nine going into that fight.
01:52:17.000I'm number seven now because he was originally supposed to fight Shavka.
01:52:21.000Shavka got hurt and then They matched us up And I don't know what he's going to do if he's going to stay at 70, go back to 85, but I'm number 7 at 70 now.
01:52:33.000I don't think he has that hard of a time making it down to 170. I just think he has to make some adjustments.
01:55:34.000I don't think you should be in the rankings either.
01:55:36.000If you're going to pick and choose, and he deserves to, he's done a lot in the sport, go have your fun fights, like Terrence Crawford, but put someone else in the division.
01:55:45.000But yeah, there's a couple big fights.
01:55:48.000Luque's right behind me, so that could be a fight that they could match us up.
01:55:52.000Have they given you any indication of which way they might be going?
01:56:09.000But if you have an injury or something like that, you kind of let them know what's going on.
01:56:13.000I just told them I'm like give me a week or two to see kind of how my hands feeling and because I'm going to try to do absolutely nothing and just let it rest and if it feels good like I would love to fight in AC like I fought in AC I won belts in AC like it's it was like my bat fighting in Philly or fighting in AC like right fucking we'd all go out and party afterwards when we were younger it was great but what was the drive like 45 minutes like an hour It's the easiest drive ever.
01:56:40.000But being hungover, driving home, you're like, alright, it's only an hour.
01:57:02.000Yeah, I would like to Colby just because he's always gotten...
01:57:07.000He's won his fights, but he's always kind of gotten an easier path to the title.
01:57:14.000So I think he should have to fight somebody younger than him, ranked behind him, and then if he deserves it, he'll win that fight, and then he can go back.