The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #159 with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson

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00:00:12.000 What's up, Quentin?

00:00:12.000 What's up, man?

00:00:13.000 Good to see you, sir.

00:00:14.000 Yeah, good to see you.

00:00:15.000 Good to be here.

00:00:16.000 So tell me about your drink.

00:00:17.000 What is this called?

00:00:17.000 It's called F3? Yeah, F3. It's a newer energy drink.

00:00:21.000 It got like supplements and stuff in it.

00:00:23.000 Oh, this is good.

00:00:24.000 Yeah.

00:00:26.000 Ginseng, BCAAs, theanine.

00:00:29.000 Okay, good for the brain.

00:00:31.000 What the hell is theanine?

00:00:32.000 I don't even know what that is.

00:00:32.000 It's a nootropic.

00:00:34.000 It's in this gum.

00:00:36.000 Oh.

00:00:37.000 This gum, NeuroGum.

00:00:38.000 Yeah.

00:00:38.000 Yeah, I take a bunch of different brain supplements.

00:00:41.000 Does it make your dick hard, though?

00:00:43.000 No, it doesn't help there.

00:00:44.000 Oh.

00:00:45.000 I've been looking for something.

00:00:46.000 There's other stuff for that.

00:00:48.000 But how good would it be if you can drink dick hardener?

00:00:51.000 I'm sure they have it.

00:00:52.000 I'm sure there's like a Viagra soda somewhere.

00:00:55.000 Man.

00:00:55.000 Thailand or some shit.

00:00:57.000 I'm sure in Thailand.

00:01:01.000 Maybe Russia.

00:01:04.000 I'm sure so.

00:01:05.000 Jamie, Google dick-hard soda.

00:01:08.000 If you need to get Carl to sit still for a second.

00:01:10.000 Can you think about that?

00:01:11.000 You don't have to take a pill.

00:01:12.000 You just drink it.

00:01:13.000 You know, the girls have no idea.

00:01:14.000 I bet there's like a cocktail that you can buy at a bar.

00:01:17.000 Why do you call it cocktail, though?

00:01:18.000 Well, that's what they call them.

00:01:20.000 I didn't invent it.

00:01:22.000 But if there was like a cocktail, yeah, that's what they would call it.

00:01:25.000 The cocktail.

00:01:28.000 I don't want to spill all over your table.

00:01:29.000 It's okay.

00:01:30.000 This table looks good with a little bit of stains on it.

00:01:33.000 You find anything?

00:01:35.000 Dick hard soda?

00:01:36.000 It's giving me like cocktails that people have, you know, made.

00:01:40.000 That have Viagra in them?

00:01:42.000 No, no, they just have alcohol and they call them like, get your dick hard.

00:01:46.000 Oh, Viagra, Viagra Falls.

00:01:48.000 But there's no sodas or anything with...

00:01:52.000 That would probably have to be in another country.

00:01:54.000 Yeah, they probably wouldn't have that here.

00:01:56.000 Because you have to have a prescription.

00:01:57.000 That's the only thing this needs.

00:01:59.000 They got everything else in this.

00:02:00.000 It's green tea.

00:02:02.000 That's where the caffeine comes from.

00:02:04.000 Green tea.

00:02:04.000 And ginseng, too.

00:02:06.000 Yeah, I can drink like two or three of these a day.

00:02:07.000 It don't bother me.

00:02:08.000 I love it.

00:02:10.000 That's nice.

00:02:11.000 Dude, the first time I saw you fight was in like 2000...

00:02:19.000 Yeah, about 2000. I saw you fight Marvin Eastman.

00:02:22.000 My first fight?

00:02:23.000 My first professional fight?

00:02:24.000 Was that your first professional fight?

00:02:26.000 Yeah, you saw that at King of the Cage?

00:02:27.000 Yep, I was there live.

00:02:28.000 You was there at King of the Cage?

00:02:30.000 Yep.

00:02:30.000 Wow.

00:02:31.000 Yeah.

00:02:32.000 You saw me get my ass kicked.

00:02:33.000 You didn't get your ass kicked.

00:02:34.000 I did.

00:02:34.000 Nah, you just lost.

00:02:36.000 Marvin Eastman was fucking good.

00:02:38.000 Yeah, I was lied to by the way.

00:02:40.000 Oh really?

00:02:41.000 Yeah, they was doing him a favor and they told me the guy was just a kickboxer.

00:02:46.000 You know, I was a wrestler.

00:02:47.000 I was like, I'm just gonna take this guy down.

00:02:49.000 It was a two weeks notice fight.

00:02:50.000 Oh, wow.

00:02:51.000 Yeah.

00:02:52.000 He can kickbox, too.

00:02:53.000 Yeah.

00:02:55.000 I didn't know about the wrestling.

00:02:57.000 I knew he was kickboxing.

00:02:58.000 He kicked me in the head.

00:02:59.000 I was like, damn, that's my only time ever getting kicked in the head.

00:03:01.000 Really?

00:03:02.000 Yeah, my whole career.

00:03:02.000 Go back and watch my fights.

00:03:03.000 That's crazy.

00:03:04.000 I learned a lesson.

00:03:06.000 Never got kicked in the head again.

00:03:08.000 Wow.

00:03:09.000 Yeah, he could wrestle and he could kickbox.

00:03:11.000 And he was built like a tank.

00:03:12.000 Yeah.

00:03:13.000 That's why he was my first fight in the UFC. I don't know if you know about this, but Dana White bought an organization just to get me.

00:03:23.000 Because I left Pride and I went to WFA. Oh, okay.

00:03:27.000 And my manager at the time, he became the president of WFA, so he had to stop being my manager.

00:03:33.000 I fought and then the company folded.

00:03:36.000 Dana bought the whole company so I can come over.

00:03:39.000 So this was when you were leaving Pride?

00:03:41.000 When the UFC had bought Pride?

00:03:43.000 This was before.

00:03:44.000 I left Pride right when it was going down.

00:03:48.000 When the UFC bought Pride, they thought they were buying a whole organization.

00:03:53.000 And they didn't get anything but a library.

00:03:55.000 They got a video library.

00:03:57.000 That's all they got?

00:03:58.000 All the contracts were bullshit.

00:04:00.000 Everything was bullshit.

00:04:01.000 That's why they never got Fedor.

00:04:03.000 And that's why I think...

00:04:05.000 Well, it's like they honored people's contracts.

00:04:08.000 Some people got great contracts.

00:04:09.000 Like Mark Hunt apparently got a great contract.

00:04:11.000 Alistair.

00:04:12.000 A lot of these guys that came over had great contracts.

00:04:15.000 But...

00:04:15.000 Crow Cop.

00:04:16.000 Remember Crow Cop came over?

00:04:18.000 But it was...

00:04:19.000 The whole thing was all fucked up.

00:04:20.000 You know, it was run by the mob.

00:04:22.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:04:23.000 What was it like being over there?

00:04:24.000 Man, it was crazy.

00:04:27.000 It was surreal.

00:04:27.000 I remember the first time I noticed that the mob had something to do with pride, I saw these guys walking down the hallway when we was doing the piss test, and I was coming back from the bathroom with my cup, and I just see these guys walk around in nice and expensive suits,

00:04:44.000 and then everybody just put their head down, put their back against the wall, and just bow.

00:04:48.000 Whoa.

00:04:49.000 I was like, what the fuck is going on?

00:04:51.000 You know, culture shock.

00:04:51.000 I had no idea.

00:04:52.000 Right.

00:04:53.000 And then after a while, I asked somebody, like, oh, those are the bosses.

00:04:57.000 Those are the yakuza.

00:04:58.000 Did they have missing fingers?

00:04:59.000 Some of them did.

00:05:00.000 You see some of that shit over there.

00:05:02.000 Bro.

00:05:02.000 It was crazy.

00:05:03.000 That is a crazy way to gain entry.

00:05:06.000 You fucking saw your finger off in front of everybody.

00:05:08.000 I thought that if you did something bad.

00:05:10.000 Yeah, if you fucked up, right?

00:05:11.000 I had a friend out there.

00:05:13.000 His name was 36th.

00:05:15.000 And the guy took a liking to me.

00:05:16.000 And he was super cool, all tatted up.

00:05:19.000 And I guess he was rich as fuck.

00:05:21.000 When he found out I had little Japanese kids, he said, hon, your son needs this.

00:05:26.000 It was like a gold samurai helmet.

00:05:29.000 He said, this has to stay in your son's house.

00:05:32.000 And I showed it to my ex-wife.

00:05:35.000 She was my wife at the time.

00:05:36.000 She said, oh, yeah.

00:05:37.000 I was going to have to get him this.

00:05:39.000 He saved me a lot of money.

00:05:40.000 I said, how much is something like this called?

00:05:42.000 She said, probably like $30,000, $40,000.

00:05:45.000 Wow.

00:05:45.000 He gave me a gift.

00:05:46.000 He had like a missing pinky finger.

00:05:49.000 Yeah.

00:05:50.000 But he was a cool dude.

00:05:51.000 What do they do?

00:05:52.000 They chop off one digit or two?

00:05:53.000 How many digits do they chop off?

00:05:55.000 Chopped off the first?

00:05:56.000 Yeah, he just had the first one chopped off.

00:05:58.000 Yeah, it's like, if you fuck up again, then it's the second one.

00:06:01.000 I don't know, maybe to go to the other hand, I would think.

00:06:04.000 I don't think you would fuck up no more after that, though.

00:06:07.000 Would you fuck up twice?

00:06:08.000 I mean, you don't fuck up on purpose, I would assume.

00:06:11.000 Yeah, yeah, you never know about that.

00:06:12.000 I mean, it depends on how strict they are.

00:06:14.000 What is a fuck up for those guys?

00:06:17.000 I have no idea.

00:06:18.000 It's a crazy culture.

00:06:19.000 It's crazy.

00:06:20.000 I love it, though.

00:06:21.000 I could live there.

00:06:22.000 Yeah?

00:06:22.000 Yeah, plus I heard that their population is dying off.

00:06:27.000 They ain't making babies.

00:06:28.000 They're actually asking people to come over there and fuck.

00:06:31.000 Man.

00:06:32.000 The fuck I'm doing here?

00:06:36.000 I just got back from there.

00:06:37.000 I was trying to fuck, you know.

00:06:39.000 I'll try to be good because, you know, I'm trying to, you know, see somebody.

00:06:42.000 I'll try to be good, so I ain't fuck nothing.

00:06:44.000 I ain't fuck nothing this time.

00:06:45.000 This is the first time I'm going to Japan.

00:06:46.000 I ain't fuck nothing.

00:06:48.000 Like, goddamn.

00:06:49.000 I'm trying to be good for once in my life.

00:06:51.000 Do they love Americans over there?

00:06:52.000 Yeah.

00:06:53.000 Oh, wow.

00:06:53.000 Tell me you've been there, though.

00:06:55.000 I've only been there for one day.

00:06:57.000 Just for the UFC and right back home.

00:06:59.000 How could you do that?

00:07:00.000 That's a long flight.

00:07:02.000 I had to.

00:07:02.000 Too busy.

00:07:03.000 I just didn't have any time for anything else.

00:07:06.000 But it was beautiful.

00:07:07.000 It's interesting how clean everything is.

00:07:08.000 So clean and orderly.

00:07:11.000 So many people walking on the street, nobody's bumping into anybody.

00:07:14.000 Everybody's very polite.

00:07:15.000 Yeah, they're very polite, but they're like robots, bro.

00:07:18.000 I remember one time when I was fighting, and this one guy on the other side of the street recognized me, but he wasn't sure, and he was riding a bike, and he was looking at me, and wasn't paying attention to where he was going, and he fucking smacked it in the back of the truck and fell down on his bike.

00:07:30.000 We all was laughing our ass off, but the Japanese people, no one laughed, no one tried to help him up.

00:07:35.000 He was hurt kind of bad, and I would have went over there and tried to help him, but it was like a busy street.

00:07:40.000 No one even helped him?

00:07:41.000 No one even helped him.

00:07:41.000 They just kept walking.

00:07:42.000 Just kept walking.

00:07:43.000 One dude stepped over him.

00:07:44.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:07:45.000 Just kept walking.

00:07:46.000 No one laughed, though.

00:07:47.000 That's the thing that fucked me up.

00:07:49.000 We was laughing our ass off.

00:07:50.000 You don't hear about a lot of Japanese comedians.

00:07:52.000 No, I heard that...

00:07:54.000 The ones that they do have, they come from Osaka, not Tokyo.

00:07:58.000 Oh.

00:07:59.000 Osaka's looser?

00:08:00.000 Yeah.

00:08:00.000 I've been to Osaka before and they laugh and crack jokes.

00:08:03.000 You know, I married a Japanese woman, right?

00:08:05.000 Right.

00:08:05.000 So I kind of learned a little bit about them.

00:08:07.000 They're very serious.

00:08:08.000 Really?

00:08:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:10.000 Especially in Tokyo.

00:08:11.000 They're very serious.

00:08:12.000 You got to be careful with jokes and stuff.

00:08:14.000 She learned to be funny after a couple years of being with me.

00:08:17.000 Then she started joking.

00:08:18.000 Then she actually got pretty good.

00:08:19.000 I'm like, damn, she started hurting my feelings a little bit.

00:08:21.000 The fuck did I create?

00:08:24.000 But she was good.

00:08:25.000 I remember one time we was joking back and forth and she was laughing.

00:08:27.000 Then I made a joke about her dad and she's like, don't you talk about my father?

00:08:31.000 I was like, damn, my bad.

00:08:32.000 I thought we was joking.

00:08:34.000 So they just take everything serious.

00:08:35.000 They don't understand the concept of jokes.

00:08:37.000 You know, our movies, our comedy movies don't go there to Japan.

00:08:41.000 Just our action movies and stuff.

00:08:42.000 Interesting.

00:08:42.000 You didn't know that?

00:08:43.000 No.

00:08:44.000 Makes sense, though.

00:08:45.000 They're just a different culture.

00:08:47.000 They're more stoic.

00:08:49.000 It's just a completely different society.

00:08:51.000 Yeah, but I'm going to go over there and make a whole bunch of babies, though.

00:08:55.000 They need me.

00:08:57.000 They do.

00:08:58.000 They need me.

00:08:58.000 They do.

00:08:59.000 I'm going to make me a bunch of babies, and if they boys, put them in the MMA. Okay.

00:09:03.000 Yeah, I think they have a drastic reduction in their population for some reason.

00:09:07.000 It's so bad.

00:09:08.000 I forget what the guy estimated, but there was a guy who analyzed all the people that are alive today in Japan and how many of them would have grandchildren.

00:09:18.000 And it's a shockingly low number.

00:09:20.000 I wonder what's the reason, though?

00:09:23.000 That's a good question.

00:09:24.000 Probably...

00:09:26.000 I think they like video games.

00:09:28.000 You know, that's a problem with young people.

00:09:30.000 Bro, I love video games too, but I also love pussy.

00:09:34.000 You can play a couple games and then later on at night get some ass.

00:09:39.000 I don't understand.

00:09:40.000 I think they're just locked in.

00:09:41.000 I don't know.

00:09:42.000 I don't know what's going on.

00:09:44.000 Well, I thought it was rejection.

00:09:46.000 Like, people are so afraid of rejection over there.

00:09:49.000 Like, a guy go and hit on a girl and she rejects him.

00:09:52.000 Like, he probably won't hit on a girl again for, like, the next couple of months or years or something like that.

00:09:56.000 Oh, really?

00:09:57.000 It's really bad, especially if she rejects him in front of other people.

00:10:00.000 Oh, so it's an honor thing?

00:10:03.000 Embarrassment thing?

00:10:03.000 Yeah, it's an embarrassment thing.

00:10:04.000 That's what I kind of think it is.

00:10:07.000 That's what I think it is.

00:10:08.000 Jamie, see if you can find something on Japan's dwindling population.

00:10:12.000 I'm looking.

00:10:12.000 Because it is kind of crazy.

00:10:14.000 I got a couple friends that's married out there, and one of my friends...

00:10:17.000 We were just having a conversation.

00:10:19.000 His name is Tyson.

00:10:20.000 He's an African guy, and he owns a bar out there.

00:10:23.000 And I've been going to this bar for over 20-something years after all my fights.

00:10:28.000 I used to go into this bar, and we got to know each other really well.

00:10:31.000 And he was talking, and he was saying, if you love a Japanese woman, and you marry a Japanese woman, do not give her a pet or kids.

00:10:40.000 Because if you give her a pet or kids, you're never fucking again.

00:10:43.000 What?

00:10:44.000 I'm like, yeah, I was married to a Japanese woman.

00:10:46.000 I didn't have that problem.

00:10:48.000 Maybe it was just him.

00:10:50.000 No, that's what I thought.

00:10:51.000 And then he said, oh, you don't believe me?

00:10:53.000 And he asked the Japanese guys and a couple of other guys that was there, American guys that's married, they said, yeah.

00:10:57.000 They all said the same story.

00:10:58.000 How weird.

00:10:59.000 This was in the AP four weeks ago about birth rate declining and population decline.

00:11:06.000 It says, surveys show young Japanese are increasingly reluctant to marry or have children discouraged by bleak job prospects, the high cost of living which rises at a faster pace than salaries, and a gender-biased corporate structure or corporate culture that adds an extra burden only on women and working mothers.

00:11:24.000 Japan's population of more than 125 million is projected to fall by about 30% to 87 million by 27. That's crazy.

00:11:31.000 With 4 out of every 10 people 65 years of age or older.

00:11:35.000 Whoa!

00:11:37.000 That's nuts.

00:11:38.000 Yeah.

00:11:39.000 That's a big drop, man.

00:11:42.000 It doesn't really give a reason why.

00:11:44.000 Falls to a record low.

00:11:46.000 Interesting.

00:11:47.000 Yeah, I heard they paying niggas to go over there and have babies.

00:11:49.000 Fuck that.

00:11:50.000 They're encouraging people to go over there and buy houses, too.

00:11:54.000 Apparently, it's really easy to buy a house, and you can get a nice house for fairly low money.

00:11:58.000 It's safe.

00:11:59.000 Yeah, it's cheap, too.

00:12:00.000 Yeah.

00:12:01.000 It's a beautiful culture.

00:12:02.000 Ugh.

00:12:03.000 I don't think I can ever live any place that doesn't crack jokes.

00:12:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:07.000 I need fun.

00:12:08.000 I'm too used to it.

00:12:10.000 I've had fun for too long.

00:12:11.000 But I tell you what, those Yakuza, they funny though.

00:12:14.000 They like Americans.

00:12:15.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:12:16.000 They not like the rest of them.

00:12:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:18.000 So you be hanging around a bunch of those motherfuckers.

00:12:20.000 Yeah, but I don't want to fuck up.

00:12:21.000 I like my pinkies.

00:12:23.000 If you're not one of them, they wouldn't fuck with you like that.

00:12:26.000 Oh, okay.

00:12:27.000 Yeah.

00:12:27.000 Yeah, maybe I just hang out with them.

00:12:29.000 I remember one time I had a meeting with a big Yakuza boss.

00:12:32.000 This guy was the biggest Japanese guy I ever met.

00:12:34.000 He looked like he was 6'6", and he was ripped, like twice my size, very muscular.

00:12:41.000 And when I met him, it was right after I did that Arona slam, and I got really popular in Japan.

00:12:46.000 What year was that?

00:12:47.000 2003?

00:12:48.000 That was actually 20 years ago.

00:12:50.000 Oh, wow.

00:12:51.000 20 years ago.

00:12:52.000 I did it on my 26th birthday.

00:12:55.000 Dude, that is to this day the greatest slam in the history of the sport.

00:12:59.000 And a lesson for everybody that hangs onto a triangle when a dude's picking you.

00:13:03.000 All he had to do was let go of my head.

00:13:04.000 All he had to do.

00:13:05.000 I couldn't have picked him up.

00:13:06.000 And other guys did that with you.

00:13:08.000 I forget who tried to get you in a triangle afterwards.

00:13:11.000 It was Vandalay.

00:13:12.000 That's right.

00:13:13.000 He grabbed my leg after that.

00:13:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:15.000 Yeah.

00:13:16.000 But you know, I did that to Sakuraba, but it didn't knock him out.

00:13:19.000 I slammed Sakuraba a couple times.

00:13:20.000 It was from an umbar and stuff, though.

00:13:23.000 Sakuraba was so tough.

00:13:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:24.000 I saw him a couple weeks ago in Japan.

00:13:25.000 Here it is right here.

00:13:27.000 Bro, this is the absolute craziest because you threw him over the top of your head like a pillow.

00:13:33.000 I mean, it's the greatest KO slam of all time.

00:13:36.000 I thought he was dead.

00:13:37.000 I remember watching it.

00:13:39.000 I was like, oh my god.

00:13:41.000 Wait, he didn't hold the back of my head, did he?

00:13:43.000 No, he didn't hold shit.

00:13:45.000 Oh shit, all these years I thought he was...

00:13:47.000 Okay, he let it go, he was punching?

00:13:49.000 No, as soon as you get that left hand involved, so he's punching you, you scoop under and get that left hand involved.

00:13:57.000 He's holding on to something.

00:13:58.000 Look at this.

00:13:59.000 Boom!

00:14:00.000 When you connected your two hands like that and slammed down, holy shit.

00:14:04.000 Because you think about it, man.

00:14:05.000 You got your whole body like this, and he's over the top of your head.

00:14:09.000 That's so much force.

00:14:11.000 That may be the hardest anybody's ever been hit in this sport.

00:14:14.000 Yeah, that was, yeah.

00:14:16.000 Because look at the amount of travel that he does.

00:14:18.000 Bro, you got him like 12 feet in the air.

00:14:21.000 Look at that.

00:14:22.000 And he goes straight, and you were powerful as fuck back then.

00:14:27.000 And all the speed and force you're generating, oh my god.

00:14:30.000 And then you hit his head.

00:14:31.000 Head to head, you guys collided heads.

00:14:33.000 Yeah, he head-butted me.

00:14:34.000 A lot of people are saying I head-butted him, that's what knocked him out, but he was already knocked out.

00:14:39.000 His head bounced off the canvas and hit mine.

00:14:41.000 He's not going to stay conscious from that kind of a slam.

00:14:44.000 That's the craziest slam ever.

00:14:46.000 He didn't fight much after that either, did he?

00:14:48.000 No.

00:14:49.000 You think he was embarrassed or what?

00:14:50.000 I think he was never the same.

00:14:51.000 I think when a guy gets knocked out like that, it's probably different than any head kick, any knee to the head, anything.

00:14:56.000 It's a car accident.

00:14:58.000 Bro, I felt bad because he was a great fighter.

00:14:59.000 He was.

00:15:00.000 He really was.

00:15:01.000 He was tough.

00:15:02.000 Very good jujitsu, strong as hell.

00:15:04.000 I was losing that fight up until then, because he was kicking the shit out of my leg.

00:15:07.000 And I didn't want to check that.

00:15:09.000 I didn't want to check that his kicks was coming so hard.

00:15:11.000 I fought K1, and I fought a lot of kickboxers, but his kicks is the hardest by far.

00:15:16.000 Wow, really?

00:15:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:18.000 Every time he would kick me, I was acting like it didn't hurt.

00:15:21.000 And after the third kick, I remember thinking in my head, like, I don't know if I can keep acting like this shit don't hurt.

00:15:27.000 Because I didn't want to show him in my face.

00:15:28.000 Right.

00:15:29.000 But got the hardest leg kicks I ever felt.

00:15:32.000 Have you seen that new stupid thing that they're doing, like slap fight, where they leg kick each other?

00:15:36.000 No, I haven't.

00:15:37.000 No, no, no, no.

00:15:37.000 I haven't seen that shit.

00:15:38.000 This is a new one.

00:15:39.000 Have you seen it, Jamie?

00:15:41.000 I could send it to you if you want me to.

00:15:43.000 I sent it to Dana.

00:15:45.000 Yeah, they're having slap fight competitions, but leg kicks.

00:15:49.000 These dudes are standing in front of each other, just teeing off leg kicks.

00:15:51.000 That's dangerous.

00:15:52.000 Oh, it's horrible.

00:15:55.000 Did you find it, Jamie?

00:15:56.000 I'll send it to you.

00:15:58.000 Here you go.

00:15:58.000 That can fuck you up real bad.

00:16:00.000 Oh, it's rough.

00:16:01.000 It's rough to watch.

00:16:04.000 And some guys are kicking like right...

00:16:05.000 You're supposed to kick the thigh, but some guys are kicking really kind of like right above the knee and buckling.

00:16:10.000 And you just stand there.

00:16:11.000 You can't even move.

00:16:12.000 You have to just eat it.

00:16:14.000 I wouldn't...

00:16:15.000 That's not my shit.

00:16:16.000 How do you feel about that slap fighting, though?

00:16:18.000 I don't...

00:16:22.000 I'm fully in support of anybody doing whatever the fuck they want to do.

00:16:25.000 I'm like, if you could bull ride, if you could BMX jump and skateboard and all that crazy shit where people are breaking their necks, here it is.

00:16:32.000 They're standing in front of each other.

00:16:33.000 I feel like you should be able to do anything, but I wouldn't do it.

00:16:36.000 Because getting hit, it should be rare, and you should avoid it.

00:16:40.000 Look, dude kicked him in the leg, then grabbed the top of his head.

00:16:43.000 I would have smacked him just for that.

00:16:45.000 I think they're friends.

00:16:47.000 It's like, sorry bro.

00:16:50.000 You know?

00:16:52.000 That dude tapped out.

00:16:53.000 That last one he tapped out.

00:16:55.000 They got a bunch of them in there.

00:16:57.000 I don't know.

00:16:58.000 I didn't even hear that.

00:16:59.000 They just stand in front of each other and slam each other in the knee.

00:17:02.000 Or slam each other in the thigh.

00:17:04.000 Yeah.

00:17:04.000 It's a good time for MMA and all this shit.

00:17:06.000 I saw that karate comeback with Boss Rudy.

00:17:10.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:10.000 That's entertaining.

00:17:12.000 Did you see that guy get that scissor kick?

00:17:13.000 Yes.

00:17:14.000 Raphael Deterner.

00:17:15.000 That guy's badass, man.

00:17:17.000 And he fought James Vick.

00:17:19.000 James Vick's been KO'd a bunch of times now.

00:17:22.000 It's like...

00:17:23.000 He might not want to do this anymore because that was a bad one.

00:17:25.000 That switch kick.

00:17:26.000 Yeah, he was out for a while, it looked like.

00:17:28.000 It was horrible.

00:17:29.000 Perfect kick, though.

00:17:30.000 Did you see that, Jamie?

00:17:31.000 I'll send you that.

00:17:33.000 That shit was incredible.

00:17:35.000 I mean, I'd always wondered when someone was going to pull that one off in a fight.

00:17:38.000 Like, kick to the leg and then up kick right afterwards.

00:17:41.000 He did that shit perfect.

00:17:42.000 Oh, it was flawless.

00:17:49.000 The KO is so nasty.

00:17:53.000 The karate combat, that guy, Raphael the Turn, there it is, right before that.

00:17:58.000 Watch this switch.

00:18:01.000 It's so crazy the way he does it, the way he sets it up.

00:18:04.000 He right kicks.

00:18:06.000 Boom!

00:18:06.000 I mean, perfect.

00:18:08.000 Perfect.

00:18:09.000 Yeah, that was a crazy knockout.

00:18:11.000 Crazy.

00:18:12.000 That guy's super athletic.

00:18:14.000 I never heard of either of those guys.

00:18:16.000 He used to fight in the UFC. I don't know what happened.

00:18:18.000 I don't know why he's not in the UFC anymore, but man.

00:18:20.000 He should go back now.

00:18:23.000 They're gonna test him.

00:18:26.000 I don't know why he left the UFC. I don't know if he had an issue.

00:18:31.000 I'm not sure.

00:18:32.000 Good fighter though.

00:18:33.000 But man, that's crazy.

00:18:35.000 It's interesting when we watch organizations that test versus don't test too, right?

00:18:39.000 Yeah.

00:18:39.000 How do you feel about that?

00:18:43.000 I have two thoughts.

00:18:46.000 One, I like to see older athletes compete.

00:18:50.000 And if you get a guy who's like 35, 36 years old, if you let him juice, if you let him use testosterone, if you just do it sensibly, not crazy, but if you can go to a doctor and make sure it's only administered by a doctor so they're not self-administering,

00:19:05.000 and make sure they test them to make sure they're not above a certain level, I don't have any problem with it.

00:19:09.000 But when you get guys like what Vitor did, Vitor just fill him up, Doc!

00:19:16.000 He blew the fuck up.

00:19:17.000 He just like take it to my eyeballs.

00:19:19.000 Just fucking and man when he was TRT Vitor to fans when they talk about it like that was an error when that era when he was on a tear when he knocked out Luke Rockhold and knocked out Bisping and he was fucking everybody up dude.

00:19:34.000 He was fearless, but he was also like heavily enhanced You know, it was not a normal human being.

00:19:41.000 I remember the time when it was legal.

00:19:45.000 Yeah.

00:19:45.000 Yeah, and they fucked it up because I tried that shit after I got beat by Jon Jones.

00:19:49.000 I was like, fuck, I must be getting old.

00:19:51.000 And I tried it and it helped me out a little bit.

00:19:53.000 Then they outlawed.

00:19:55.000 I said, fuck, I guess I'm back to the old me.

00:19:57.000 Yeah, they outlawed it.

00:19:58.000 There was a lot of guys on it.

00:20:00.000 And a lot of guys were abusing it.

00:20:02.000 Some guys got pulled from fights because they test them the day of.

00:20:07.000 And they're like, there's no fucking way.

00:20:08.000 You are so high.

00:20:09.000 This is crazy.

00:20:09.000 Nate Marquardt.

00:20:10.000 They actually stopped the fight.

00:20:12.000 They stopped it from happening.

00:20:14.000 Yeah, they canceled the fight.

00:20:15.000 You know, in Pride, they never test it.

00:20:18.000 Ensign Inouye told me that they had in capital letters, we do not test for steroids in the contract.

00:20:24.000 Yeah, but they'll test you for like weed and cocaine and all that shit.

00:20:26.000 That's hilarious.

00:20:27.000 But they wouldn't test you for steroids.

00:20:29.000 So they tested you, they just didn't test you for anything that would actually help you fight.

00:20:34.000 It seems like they kind of encouraged it.

00:20:36.000 Oh yeah, they definitely encouraged it.

00:20:37.000 They did with a guy I know.

00:20:39.000 He went over there and he wanted to fight at 170. He was like, no, you fight at 185. And they're like, we give you steroids.

00:20:49.000 Everybody thought I was on steroids when I was fighting over there.

00:20:53.000 Well, you just had great genetics.

00:20:55.000 Some people have great genetics and some people need steroids.

00:20:58.000 I always tell people, look at me and look at some of the other fighters.

00:21:02.000 You can look at my body and tell that I wasn't on this shit.

00:21:04.000 Well, the difference is when they get tested.

00:21:07.000 The pre-USADA and post-USADA days are so interesting because even though they outlawed testosterone, Still guys like Overeem, there's not a chance in hell that guy was natural.

00:21:20.000 He was not natural at all.

00:21:22.000 There's no way.

00:21:23.000 No way.

00:21:23.000 Especially when he fought Brock Lesnar.

00:21:25.000 But somehow or other, he passed the test.

00:21:27.000 But the test the day of, like the weigh-ins test, that's nonsense.

00:21:33.000 That is nonsense.

00:21:34.000 Like, all the benefits are still there, and all the stuff is out of your system.

00:21:37.000 Bro, it's crazy.

00:21:38.000 I used to fight over there with Alistair, right?

00:21:40.000 And he was like the bony 205-er.

00:21:42.000 Yeah, he was thin.

00:21:43.000 Yeah, he was thin.

00:21:44.000 Then one day I saw him, I'm like, What the fuck you doing?

00:21:46.000 He's at horse meat.

00:21:50.000 I'm like, okay, buddy.

00:21:51.000 Yeah, he was powerlifting.

00:21:53.000 You remember when he got up to like 265, you know, when he won the K-1 Grand Prix?

00:21:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:58.000 I mean, you couldn't hit him.

00:21:59.000 He was a mountain.

00:22:00.000 He was just covered behind muscle.

00:22:02.000 And you know, K-1 style, when they fight with the earmuffs on, when they're standing there, there was no chin.

00:22:08.000 You couldn't see it in there.

00:22:09.000 He was a bad muscle.

00:22:10.000 He won it, too, didn't he?

00:22:11.000 Yeah, he won the Grand Prix, which is crazy.

00:22:13.000 I was always worried that I was going to have to fight him in pride, but I don't know why they never put me against him.

00:22:18.000 Bro, when he fought Brock Lesnar, if they kept the testing that way, he might have been the heavyweight champion.

00:22:24.000 He might have stayed the heavyweight champion, too.

00:22:26.000 I mean, he was hard to handle at that weight.

00:22:28.000 He was so big.

00:22:29.000 And he had those elite kickboxing skills.

00:22:32.000 I remember when he fought, I guess it was Strikeforce, when he fought Bret Rogers.

00:22:38.000 You can see the moment.

00:22:39.000 He hits Brett Rogers with one low kick.

00:22:42.000 And you can see it in Brett Rogers.

00:22:43.000 He's like, oh, shit.

00:22:45.000 Like, this is different.

00:22:46.000 This is so different.

00:22:48.000 He was so scary, man.

00:22:50.000 Yeah, fuck.

00:22:51.000 Big, tall motherfucker.

00:22:52.000 I would like to see him go against Jon Jones.

00:22:55.000 I would have loved to have seen that back in the day.

00:22:57.000 But if, again, you let him fight enhanced, because the difference between him enhanced and unenhanced, he became an average fighter.

00:23:06.000 Yeah.

00:23:07.000 But John was enhanced, too, though.

00:23:09.000 If they would have went against each other, both enhanced?

00:23:11.000 At the time.

00:23:12.000 At the time.

00:23:12.000 So you think John was enhanced?

00:23:14.000 Yeah.

00:23:14.000 Yeah, I think it's proven.

00:23:16.000 Really?

00:23:16.000 Because of the whole thing with the picograms, whatever the fuck that shit is?

00:23:20.000 Well, you know, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to it, but I just thought he got popped, so I assumed that he was in there.

00:23:25.000 He did, but the problem that he got popped with, there were so minuscule levels that it didn't make sense.

00:23:32.000 He don't look like somebody...

00:23:35.000 He does steroids.

00:23:35.000 No, he doesn't.

00:23:36.000 But neither did Lance Armstrong.

00:23:39.000 He's probably doing something different though, Lance.

00:23:42.000 No, he was doing testosterone.

00:23:43.000 I mean, he was definitely doing that too.

00:23:46.000 Those guys were doing, he was doing a lot of shit.

00:23:48.000 They do everything they can when they do that Tour de France.

00:23:53.000 Doctors say that it's actually healthier to do that thing on steroids than it is to not be on steroids.

00:23:59.000 Because your body just can't recover.

00:24:01.000 Because you're biking for hours and hours and hours, day after day.

00:24:06.000 It's a fucking crazy event.

00:24:08.000 I think if you biking and doing shit like that, let them do steroids.

00:24:11.000 Right.

00:24:11.000 But fighting, I'm against that shit.

00:24:13.000 Right, it's different.

00:24:14.000 Yeah, football, boxing, MMA, shit like that.

00:24:18.000 But football, you know they're doing something.

00:24:20.000 Yeah, you know they're doing it.

00:24:21.000 Those guys are gigantic.

00:24:23.000 Yeah, but I think if you got full contact against another human, I think it should be outlawed.

00:24:27.000 But baseball, I wouldn't give a fuck.

00:24:29.000 It would only make it interesting.

00:24:30.000 And basketball, I wouldn't care.

00:24:32.000 Right, who cares?

00:24:32.000 Yeah, who cares?

00:24:33.000 Yeah.

00:24:34.000 Especially their professional athletes.

00:24:35.000 They got a small window of opportunity.

00:24:37.000 They have like 10, 15 years at most where they can compete at their very best.

00:24:42.000 Yeah, let those guys juice.

00:24:43.000 Juice them up.

00:24:44.000 Yeah, help them know how to do it safely.

00:24:46.000 But fighting, because you can hurt somebody.

00:24:48.000 Because some people are totally against it.

00:24:49.000 Well, the only way it makes sense in fighting is if everybody agrees.

00:24:54.000 If you agree, but if you're cheating, if you're just jobbing the tests and you got a good scientist that works with you and you're figuring out a way to rig everything, nah, that's not good.

00:25:06.000 I'm against it because I fought a few guys that was on steroids when I was fighting in pride.

00:25:10.000 Who'd you fight that was the most obvious on steroids?

00:25:14.000 For me, I felt like it was most obvious was Kevin Randermann, R.I.P. I don't ever want to talk ill of Big Bro, but Mark Coleman, he's honest about it.

00:25:24.000 They were doing something.

00:25:25.000 And Vandalay for sure was on that shit.

00:25:27.000 For sure.

00:25:28.000 For sure.

00:25:30.000 For sure.

00:25:31.000 Bro, he fought like he was on it.

00:25:32.000 He fought like he had rabies.

00:25:34.000 Bro, that guy was so vicious.

00:25:36.000 He just walked around mad the whole time.

00:25:38.000 You know, all the fighters in Japan were scared of him.

00:25:39.000 That's why he didn't like me, because I was never afraid of him.

00:25:42.000 And the first time I had a run-in with Vanille, we were all staying at the same hotel, and I'm walking back from press, and I get in on the elevator with my corner man, and the elevator opens up, and it's Vanille in there with two of his corner men.

00:25:55.000 And I just, I don't notice, and I just walk on the elevator.

00:25:59.000 And I turn around and my two-corner man took off.

00:26:03.000 So I'm in the elevator by myself with Vantale.

00:26:06.000 And he looked at me like I was crazy because I didn't take off with them.

00:26:09.000 He seemed like he was mad that I was breathing his same air in the fucking elevator.

00:26:14.000 I was like, what are you doing?

00:26:15.000 And they was talking shit in Portuguese and stuff like that.

00:26:17.000 I was like, I ain't afraid of no motherfuckin' about it.

00:26:20.000 I was a kid then, too.

00:26:22.000 But I just never been afraid of anybody.

00:26:23.000 Then, after I meet my two-girls, I'm like, what the fuck happened to y'all?

00:26:26.000 I was like, shit, that was the axe murderer.

00:26:29.000 I'm not getting in there with him.

00:26:31.000 Just leave.

00:26:32.000 They didn't even pull you out.

00:26:35.000 They didn't even touch me.

00:26:37.000 Oh, that's so ridiculous.

00:26:38.000 I would've never trusted those dudes again.

00:26:39.000 Yeah, fuck them.

00:26:42.000 I was cool, but he never liked me.

00:26:45.000 Were you there when he had that fight with Charles Crazy Horse Bennett in the back room?

00:26:50.000 No, I wasn't there.

00:26:51.000 Apparently, the story is Crazy Horse knocked him out cold.

00:26:55.000 Yeah, I heard that.

00:26:56.000 That's the story.

00:26:57.000 The story is they ganged up on Crazy Horse.

00:27:00.000 Crazy Horse was a wild dude.

00:27:02.000 That dude was crazy.

00:27:04.000 He was fun.

00:27:05.000 I remember I got drunk with Crazy Horse one night.

00:27:08.000 Me, and I think it was Eddie Bravo, went to see Brock Lesnar's first professional fight in LA at the Coliseum.

00:27:16.000 Was it with the UFC? No.

00:27:18.000 No.

00:27:19.000 I think it was with K-1.

00:27:21.000 I think it was a K-1 fight in Los Angeles.

00:27:23.000 I might have been there.

00:27:25.000 Hoist Gracie fought that night.

00:27:27.000 I think Hoist Gracie fought Sakuraba, if I remember correctly.

00:27:31.000 Was that a rematch?

00:27:32.000 Yes.

00:27:33.000 Oh, okay.

00:27:33.000 I wasn't there.

00:27:34.000 I don't think I was there.

00:27:35.000 And he beat him.

00:27:35.000 And Hoist was a little saucy.

00:27:37.000 He got caught.

00:27:39.000 Hoist beat Sakuraba in the remix?

00:27:40.000 Yeah, but Hoist was saucy.

00:27:42.000 They caught him in the piss test.

00:27:44.000 If I remember correctly, check to see if that's true.

00:27:47.000 But I sat right next to Crazy Horse.

00:27:49.000 Just me and him got fucked up the entire show.

00:27:51.000 That guy's crazy.

00:27:52.000 We had fun.

00:27:53.000 He's funny, man.

00:27:54.000 We had a lot of laughs.

00:27:55.000 But he was a wild dude.

00:27:57.000 You know what he's doing now?

00:27:58.000 What's he doing now?

00:27:58.000 He's in Thailand fighting for fight circuits.

00:28:00.000 You heard about them?

00:28:01.000 No.

00:28:01.000 Man, he's fighting like two motherfuckers at the same time.

00:28:04.000 Two Thai dudes at the same time.

00:28:05.000 I said, man, that shit look fun.

00:28:07.000 I want to do that shit.

00:28:08.000 How big are the Thai dudes?

00:28:09.000 They about his size.

00:28:11.000 They're his size.

00:28:12.000 He's fighting two on one.

00:28:13.000 Two on one in Thailand.

00:28:15.000 Does he just pay a lot of money or something?

00:28:17.000 I don't know how much they pay.

00:28:18.000 I did a two-headed boxing match with Bob Sapp.

00:28:21.000 I didn't get paid much money, but I was doing it for fun.

00:28:24.000 So you and him versus somebody else?

00:28:26.000 Yeah, me and Bob Sapp in a two-man t-shirt.

00:28:29.000 He's going to use my right hand.

00:28:31.000 He's going to use his left hand.

00:28:32.000 And we fought two dudes.

00:28:33.000 That shit was so fun.

00:28:34.000 Oh, that's crazy.

00:28:35.000 Man, that was the most fun I ever had in the ring, bro.

00:28:37.000 Just ridiculous?

00:28:38.000 Yeah, it was fun.

00:28:39.000 Fight circuits is crazy.

00:28:41.000 What does it say, Jim?

00:28:42.000 Oh yeah, he tested positive for fighter Tim Percy tested positive for methamphetamines.

00:28:48.000 That's my friend.

00:28:49.000 And Hoist Gracie tested positive for nandrolone.

00:28:52.000 Shut the fuck up, Tim.

00:28:53.000 Anabolic steroids.

00:28:54.000 Tim Percy is my high school, I mean my college wrestling.

00:28:57.000 He's my roommate in college.

00:28:58.000 No shit.

00:28:59.000 Tim Percy?

00:29:00.000 Who did he fight?

00:29:01.000 Who else was in the card?

00:29:03.000 Let me see, there was some...

00:29:05.000 What the fuck?

00:29:06.000 Who else fought?

00:29:08.000 The original, let's see, pre-fight promise.

00:29:11.000 Scroll back up to the card again, please.

00:29:13.000 Let me see who was on that card.

00:29:15.000 Because there was one crazy KO where there was, like, a football player.

00:29:22.000 Johnny Morton, right.

00:29:24.000 He fought a guy who was a comedian.

00:29:28.000 That guy.

00:29:29.000 Bernard Akak, a Japanese-born Taekwondo practitioner, kickboxer, mixed martial arts, and comedian.

00:29:41.000 Yeah, that guy.

00:29:41.000 Fucked Johnny Morton up.

00:29:43.000 It was horrible.

00:29:43.000 The comedian fucked somebody up?

00:29:44.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:46.000 I don't know how good his comedy is, but he could fuck people up.

00:29:49.000 I'll tell you that.

00:29:50.000 Jake Shields was on that card.

00:29:52.000 He won by Rear Naked Choke.

00:29:55.000 Sounded like a good card.

00:29:56.000 Yeah.

00:29:57.000 Yeah, Sakuraba was on there.

00:29:59.000 Yep.

00:30:00.000 So Hoist beat Sakuraba but then tested positive.

00:30:03.000 This was supposed to be on the card.

00:30:05.000 Ray Sefo and Marvin Eastman dropped from the card with no explanation.

00:30:08.000 That was supposed to be on the card.

00:30:09.000 Gina Carano.

00:30:09.000 Oh, Gina Carano.

00:30:11.000 So that was a K-1, right?

00:30:14.000 That was like up until Brock Lesnar won real quick.

00:30:18.000 That was his first fight ever.

00:30:20.000 Yeah.

00:30:21.000 But so Crazy Horse was backstage, and I guess all the shoot-the-box guys got into it with Crazy Horse.

00:30:27.000 And didn't Christian Marcelo, I think he choked Crazy Horse out, right?

00:30:34.000 Put him in a triangle afterwards, too.

00:30:36.000 Yeah, I heard this story.

00:30:37.000 So Crazy Horse apparently knocked out Vanderlei.

00:30:40.000 And then got choked out, and then he went and fought, or had he already fought?

00:30:47.000 I don't remember, but I heard Vandele fought after he got knocked out.

00:30:50.000 He did.

00:30:51.000 After he got out cold, fought, and won.

00:30:54.000 But won by decision.

00:30:55.000 Who did he fight that time, do you remember?

00:30:57.000 Let's find out.

00:30:58.000 Let me see Vandele's record.

00:31:00.000 I'll tell you when I see it.

00:31:02.000 Because you could tell he was like fighting a little cautious.

00:31:05.000 You know, like maybe didn't want to get hit.

00:31:07.000 Bro, that's crazy.

00:31:08.000 What if they had cameras back there in the locker rooms?

00:31:09.000 I think there is video footage of it.

00:31:12.000 I'm pretty sure there's footage.

00:31:13.000 There's definitely footage of Marcelo choking out Crazy Horse because he gets him in a triangle with his jeans on.

00:31:19.000 I remember watching it.

00:31:20.000 Oh, seven, right?

00:31:21.000 Is that what you're looking?

00:31:22.000 Yeah.

00:31:23.000 It wasn't Mergo Cro Cop.

00:31:25.000 I think it might have been Fujita.

00:31:29.000 Nope, that's not it, because he won that one by soccer kicks.

00:31:32.000 Does he have any that he won by decision?

00:31:35.000 Right here.

00:31:37.000 No, he lost to Arona?

00:31:38.000 Is that possible?

00:31:40.000 Maybe you should look for the same card with Crazy Horse.

00:31:45.000 He lost to him and then he beat him.

00:31:47.000 Decision split.

00:31:49.000 I wonder if it's that one.

00:31:51.000 2005. I wonder if it's that one.

00:31:54.000 Click on Pride Shockwave 2005. Let's see.

00:31:58.000 Who else is on that card?

00:31:59.000 Is Crazy Horse on that card?

00:32:01.000 Charles Bennett?

00:32:03.000 Yup, that's it.

00:32:06.000 That's the one.

00:32:07.000 That's the one he fought, Arona, and he won a decision.

00:32:09.000 Yeah, I was looking for video.

00:32:12.000 Crazy Horse was so nuts.

00:32:13.000 Look at that video of Crazy Horse staring at the camera.

00:32:17.000 Click on that.

00:32:18.000 Is that a highlight of Crazy Horse?

00:32:21.000 Yeah, it highlights his KO power.

00:32:22.000 Crazy Horse had power.

00:32:25.000 I mean, he just put people to sleep.

00:32:27.000 He put a lot of people to sleep.

00:32:29.000 Compact power, too.

00:32:31.000 Yeah.

00:32:32.000 He never went to the UFC though, huh?

00:32:34.000 Nope.

00:32:35.000 He couldn't get his shit together.

00:32:36.000 He's a wild fella.

00:32:40.000 What the fuck is wrong with him?

00:32:42.000 I mean, he fought with gold teeth in.

00:32:45.000 He fought with a gold grill in, and then he had a mouthpiece on top that was gold too.

00:32:50.000 But I don't even know where he trained.

00:32:53.000 I forgot where he was from.

00:32:54.000 Texas or somewhere, wasn't it?

00:32:55.000 I don't remember, but I mean, it did not have the ultimate skill set.

00:33:01.000 He just had crazy power and he was just wild.

00:33:05.000 Very wild.

00:33:07.000 And strong.

00:33:08.000 Very strong.

00:33:09.000 He didn't have that much jiu-jitsu though, huh?

00:33:11.000 No, it wasn't that good on the ground.

00:33:13.000 But on the feet, I mean, I don't think he ever submitted to anybody that I can remember.

00:33:18.000 But he fucked a lot of people up, man.

00:33:21.000 Anybody that stood in front of that dude went night-night.

00:33:23.000 And you could see it, once he hit him like one time, the difference in the power, they'd be like, oh God.

00:33:30.000 Power like that is really crazy.

00:33:33.000 Did you watch the light heavyweight title fight this weekend?

00:33:37.000 Oh my god, yeah.

00:33:38.000 Oh my god.

00:33:39.000 Bolaton, man.

00:33:40.000 Alex Barrera.

00:33:42.000 That fucking power is nuts.

00:33:44.000 You know what?

00:33:44.000 I was thinking, like, how would I have done if I was in my prime fighting somebody like that?

00:33:50.000 You can be honest.

00:33:51.000 You have very good wrestling skills.

00:33:53.000 The difference is you're very strong.

00:33:55.000 You were always a very strong light heavyweight and you had very good wrestling skills.

00:34:00.000 You know, he hasn't really fought anybody that's an elite wrestler yet.

00:34:04.000 Think about who has he fought that could really wrestle.

00:34:08.000 Prohaska, he's got crazy KO power, he's got good karate skills, and he did win by choking out Glover.

00:34:18.000 He did win with a choke.

00:34:20.000 So it's not like he doesn't have skills.

00:34:22.000 But he's not some Daniel Cormier type dude.

00:34:26.000 He's just an elite wrestler.

00:34:28.000 Is this the video footage of the fight?

00:34:30.000 It cuts off on the fight, so it's got to exist somewhere else.

00:34:32.000 But this is a documentary about Crazy Horse.

00:34:35.000 Oh, but is that the behind the scenes?

00:34:37.000 It shows like a picture of them on the ground.

00:34:39.000 It says, can't show the footage as YouTuber restrict the footage.

00:34:43.000 What?

00:34:43.000 YouTube restricts fights?

00:34:45.000 It could age-restrict the video, and they're probably trying not to have that happen.

00:34:48.000 Oh, so they're just showing it?

00:34:49.000 So he catches him in a triangle with jeans on, chokes him to sleep, out cold, with his phone in his hand.

00:34:57.000 Wait, what is that?

00:34:58.000 That's the past.

00:34:59.000 It's the past.

00:35:00.000 So he wakes him up.

00:35:01.000 He's like, oh, shit.

00:35:03.000 They shouldn't have had him in that locker room with them anyway.

00:35:06.000 No chance.

00:35:07.000 Yeah, that's a terrible idea.

00:35:08.000 And there's Vandele.

00:35:08.000 He's talking about it?

00:35:09.000 Yeah, this is an interview with him talking about it.

00:35:11.000 Vandele says he just turned and hit me.

00:35:15.000 Oh, he's trying to say he got sucker punched.

00:35:16.000 Probably did.

00:35:18.000 But also, they were probably talking a lot of shit.

00:35:20.000 And they probably thought they could keep talking shit before getting hit.

00:35:23.000 And Crazy Horse was...

00:35:25.000 But what was his corner man?

00:35:26.000 Who was with them?

00:35:27.000 Well, I think they just thought they'd get away with it.

00:35:29.000 You know, they probably didn't think he was going to swing on them.

00:35:31.000 Especially since Charles was...

00:35:32.000 He was light.

00:35:33.000 What did he fight at?

00:35:34.000 Probably 55s?

00:35:36.000 Probably something like that.

00:35:37.000 Something like that?

00:35:37.000 Yeah.

00:35:38.000 And Vanderlei was a big 200. Yeah, 205. He was a big 205. But I was talking about maybe the rampage when I fought Chuck Liddell.

00:35:49.000 I probably wouldn't have tried to take Alex down.

00:35:51.000 You would have stood with him?

00:35:52.000 I probably would have tried until he started fucking me up.

00:35:55.000 Then I'm like, oh shit, then it's time to take him down.

00:35:57.000 Did you ever fight anybody who calf kicked you?

00:36:01.000 Yeah, Forrest.

00:36:02.000 Forrest Griffin did?

00:36:03.000 Yeah.

00:36:04.000 Interesting.

00:36:05.000 The first two rounds.

00:36:07.000 I think the first round or something, he fucked my calf up.

00:36:10.000 I'd never seen that kick before.

00:36:12.000 Really?

00:36:12.000 Interesting.

00:36:13.000 Never even trained against it.

00:36:15.000 Because that was 2008?

00:36:19.000 My worst year ever.

00:36:22.000 Yeah, he calf kicked the shit out of me.

00:36:25.000 I was like, what the fuck?

00:36:27.000 What the fuck is this?

00:36:28.000 This shit was hurting.

00:36:30.000 Yeah, no one does it like Alex Pereira does.

00:36:34.000 He does it so sneaky.

00:36:36.000 It's also, he's got that crazy long frame, you know, but he stands almost like square and then just throws the leg out.

00:36:43.000 Like, you don't even see anything coming.

00:36:45.000 There's no tell at all.

00:36:46.000 There's no, like, dip.

00:36:47.000 There's no step.

00:36:49.000 It just throws it out there, and all of a sudden, you see guys' legs get fucked up.

00:36:53.000 One or two of them, and you can't move good.

00:36:55.000 And that guy, he just came out of nowhere just fucking people up.

00:36:58.000 Well, I knew about him before because I watched kickboxing.

00:37:01.000 And I had seen him in kickboxing, and I was like, if this guy comes into MMA, everybody's fucked.

00:37:07.000 Because he was fucking everybody up with big gloves on.

00:37:09.000 He would hit dudes, and you could see that it was just like they had never been hit like that before.

00:37:14.000 I remember the first time I saw him fought, he KO'd Dustin Jacoby, and he hit him with a left hook that just spun his head around.

00:37:20.000 I was like, oh my god.

00:37:22.000 Yeah, I heard he had a crazy left hook.

00:37:23.000 That's his main weapon.

00:37:25.000 Like, if you thought about one weapon that he knocks everybody out with, I mean, that's the one he knocked Jamal Hill out with.

00:37:32.000 The first fight with, or the first knockdown with Yuri, the first fight with Yuri, he knocked him out with a left hook.

00:37:39.000 Did he get Izzy?

00:37:40.000 Adesanya, he got him with a left hook.

00:37:42.000 Yeah.

00:37:42.000 He gets everybody with that left hook.

00:37:44.000 Yeah, but it's not like that's the only weapon.

00:37:48.000 Anything he hits you with, you're fucked.

00:37:50.000 But if you know he got a big left hook, how come you don't train to just keep your hand up so you just look out for it?

00:37:54.000 That's what boxers do.

00:37:55.000 I don't understand it.

00:37:56.000 He throws a nasty jab to the body, too.

00:37:58.000 That's one of the things he did with Yuri.

00:38:00.000 He throws his jab to the body, and it sounded like a right hand.

00:38:03.000 It was a blap!

00:38:05.000 It was like, this fight he fought different than he fought the first fight.

00:38:09.000 I think the first fight he let Yuri get a little wild and then he's like trying to find his openings and this fight he was like, I'm gonna shut all that wild shit down.

00:38:17.000 It was a short notice fight for them too, wasn't it?

00:38:18.000 Yeah, a couple weeks.

00:38:20.000 Just a couple of weeks.

00:38:21.000 I think Yuri got three weeks.

00:38:23.000 And Alex, when he found out about the fight, I believe he was in Australia doing seminars.

00:38:30.000 And they said, hey, do you want to defend your light heavyweight title, International Fight Week, in three weeks?

00:38:36.000 And he's like, let me think about this for a little bit.

00:38:39.000 So there's the left hook.

00:38:40.000 I see this.

00:38:44.000 Boom!

00:38:44.000 Fade away left hook.

00:38:45.000 Yeah, fuck.

00:38:46.000 He's just got a lot of power on that hook.

00:38:47.000 It's crazy power.

00:38:48.000 He's a big guy too, huh?

00:38:50.000 He's huge.

00:38:51.000 And there's the head kick.

00:38:53.000 They should have stopped that fight the moment he went down.

00:38:55.000 They shouldn't have let him eat all those extra shots.

00:38:58.000 I mean, he was done.

00:38:59.000 I think Herb wanted to give him a chance because the first fight got stopped a little premature.

00:39:03.000 The thing about that guy is you can't let that guy hurt you because he'll hit you one more time.

00:39:09.000 And if he hits you one more time, you're gone.

00:39:11.000 Yeah, but, you know, sometimes you just be caught in a moment.

00:39:15.000 Like, people give me shit for hitting Ventile like three more times when I knock them out in the UFC. Sometimes you just get caught in a moment.

00:39:22.000 Yeah, you don't even know what's happening, right?

00:39:24.000 No, yeah, you don't know.

00:39:25.000 Also, that guy, you had history with that guy.

00:39:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:29.000 You know, and you wanted to get that back.

00:39:30.000 He deserved it, but I... I know I shouldn't have did it.

00:39:33.000 If I would have been in my right mind, I wouldn't have gave him.

00:39:35.000 It's much cooler to have a walk-off knockout, you know?

00:39:38.000 Right.

00:39:38.000 But I wouldn't have gave him those extras.

00:39:40.000 But the day before, he pushed me at the weigh-ins.

00:39:43.000 Yeah.

00:39:44.000 And he talked shit to me.

00:39:46.000 You know how Dana had that rules meeting or whatever?

00:39:48.000 Mm-hmm.

00:39:49.000 And he was talking shit to me like I was scared of him.

00:39:51.000 I was like, bro, come on.

00:39:53.000 I was in the zone.

00:39:55.000 I guess he felt like because he had beaten you twice that it was going to be, you know, you were in his head.

00:40:01.000 Not only did he beat me, he gave me two of the worst ass whoopings I ever had in my career.

00:40:06.000 So he probably thought that was in the back of my head.

00:40:09.000 But I think most times people get like that, you know, they get, oh, this guy got my number, blah, blah, blah.

00:40:17.000 I didn't have any of those feelings.

00:40:18.000 I just knew, I always knew I could beat him.

00:40:20.000 But the first two times I fought him, I think the first time I fought him, I had fought Chuck Liddell 45 minutes before.

00:40:26.000 And then the second time, I went through this crazy religious thing where I got born again.

00:40:32.000 First day of training camp.

00:40:34.000 Whoa.

00:40:34.000 Yeah.

00:40:35.000 What happened there?

00:40:36.000 Craziest thing in my life.

00:40:40.000 It's the craziest thing that ever happened to me.

00:40:43.000 You know, back then I was a single parent.

00:40:45.000 I had got custody of my son.

00:40:47.000 He was three years old, and just overnight I was a dad.

00:40:50.000 And I'm trying to fight in Japan and everything.

00:40:54.000 And after that Arona fight, like I was saying, I got real famous in Japan, and then I was going out partying a lot and drinking, and I never became an alcoholic because, you know, I don't like alcoholics and stuff like that because my dad used to be one.

00:41:10.000 I always drink socially, but then I started craving alcohol.

00:41:14.000 So long story short, I think one thing led to another, and one day I just had this crazy dream.

00:41:21.000 And I was at home, and it seemed like it was a devil in my chest with his hands like this.

00:41:27.000 I'll never forget having his hands in my chest.

00:41:29.000 And it had some female spirits around, and he was saying, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay.

00:41:33.000 And I was just laying there in my dream, and I heard a voice say, do you know this man?

00:41:37.000 I was like, no.

00:41:38.000 And he said, well, you're not okay.

00:41:39.000 Well, it's not okay.

00:41:40.000 I said, ooh.

00:41:41.000 And I jumped up, and I went to go.

00:41:43.000 I was scared as fuck.

00:41:44.000 I'm a big bad motherfucker fucking people up, and I was scared.

00:41:48.000 And I went to go wake my son up, and he said he was dreaming.

00:41:53.000 He wouldn't tell me his dream because he didn't like me that much because, you know, I just got custody of him.

00:41:57.000 I'm being the father figure, making him eat healthy and telling him no and stuff a lot.

00:42:01.000 So he wouldn't tell me a whole lot.

00:42:03.000 But he said he was dreaming.

00:42:05.000 So my friend finally got out of him.

00:42:06.000 He said, when my dad woke me up, God and the devil was fighting.

00:42:10.000 And God hit the devil with the sword.

00:42:12.000 And when I woke him up, he just did like this.

00:42:15.000 Just purged a lot of white pus out of his mouth.

00:42:17.000 What?

00:42:17.000 Yeah, crazy.

00:42:18.000 True story.

00:42:19.000 So I take him.

00:42:20.000 That's not even the scary part.

00:42:21.000 That wasn't what scared me.

00:42:22.000 What scared me was I took him to preschool, and I got back in my car, and I must left the radio on.

00:42:28.000 And as soon as I turned the radio on, it was a commercial on.

00:42:33.000 I didn't know at the time what commercial it was, but it said, The curse of such and such, your soul is mine!

00:42:38.000 That scared the shit out of me.

00:42:40.000 I turned the radio off for six weeks.

00:42:43.000 Six weeks.

00:42:44.000 I found out later it was a fucking commercial for Revenge of the Mummy ride and fucking Six Flags.

00:42:51.000 That shit scared me straight.

00:42:52.000 He thought it was the devil talking to you.

00:42:54.000 Hell yeah!

00:42:55.000 Oh my God.

00:42:55.000 Scared me straight, bro.

00:42:56.000 Wow.

00:42:57.000 And then that night, I couldn't sleep.

00:42:59.000 Me and my son, we went to go sleep over at one of my friend's house.

00:43:02.000 And this is what brought me to being born again, what Christians say.

00:43:08.000 I had to piss.

00:43:09.000 And I was over my friend's house.

00:43:10.000 It was really dark.

00:43:11.000 I told you I was scared.

00:43:12.000 I couldn't sleep in my room.

00:43:12.000 Me and my son sleep on the floor in my friend's room.

00:43:14.000 And I had to take a piss.

00:43:16.000 And my son was wetting the bed and he was lying a lot.

00:43:18.000 I'm trying to teach him not to lie and teach him not to wet the bed.

00:43:22.000 And I was sweating wet the bed and blaming on him.

00:43:26.000 I was too scared to go to the bathroom.

00:43:29.000 You were too scared to go to the bathroom.

00:43:32.000 That's so nuts.

00:43:33.000 Yeah, and what I did, I prayed to God, because my dad had just got saved like two years before, and he said he was praying for me.

00:43:40.000 And I remember when my dad said, he said, oh, when you pray to God, just say in Jesus' name.

00:43:44.000 So I was like, God, I'm a coward right now.

00:43:47.000 Just take this fear from my heart.

00:43:49.000 In Jesus' name, I love you.

00:43:51.000 Amen.

00:43:52.000 And within two minutes, I was laughing and crying at the same time.

00:43:57.000 Wow.

00:43:57.000 And I received the Holy Ghost Spirit.

00:43:59.000 And I wasn't afraid.

00:44:01.000 I wanted to go use the restroom.

00:44:01.000 My eyes were different.

00:44:02.000 Everything was different, right?

00:44:03.000 Wow.

00:44:04.000 That's the first day of training camp for Vandalay.

00:44:07.000 The second fight.

00:44:08.000 And then, so I'm training for Vandalay.

00:44:09.000 My coach thought I was crazy.

00:44:10.000 He brought a preacher in.

00:44:12.000 He thought I lost my mind.

00:44:13.000 Thought I was crazy.

00:44:14.000 Because, you know, I'm totally...

00:44:15.000 You know how I was back then.

00:44:16.000 I was...

00:44:17.000 Saying a whole bunch of crazy shit, doing a whole bunch of crazy shit.

00:44:19.000 And again, I didn't cuss anymore.

00:44:21.000 It just changed me right away.

00:44:23.000 And then my coach found out I wasn't crazy, but it was the start of, you know, our relationship going south.

00:44:30.000 And I started training for Vanderland, then he got closer to fight, and I was like, I'm going to kill this motherfucker.

00:44:35.000 I'm going to kill him.

00:44:36.000 And I'm thinking in my mind, like...

00:44:38.000 I'm Christian now.

00:44:39.000 I can't be thinking like that.

00:44:40.000 It's the most confusing part of my life, man.

00:44:43.000 So I fasted like an idiot.

00:44:45.000 I fasted for like three or four days because I read in the Bible, you fast, you get closer to God and all that stuff.

00:44:50.000 And it's true, I got closer to God, but it wasn't a good idea to fast before a fucking championship fight, and I'm not there.

00:44:56.000 How many days out from the fight were you fasting?

00:44:59.000 Well, so I got to Japan that I think that Tuesday in the fight was that Sunday.

00:45:03.000 So I think I broke my fast.

00:45:05.000 So I think it was like four days before the fight when I ended my fast.

00:45:10.000 But I think I fasted for three or four days.

00:45:12.000 Whoa.

00:45:13.000 Yeah.

00:45:14.000 I never did that shit again.

00:45:15.000 And you were training while you were fasting?

00:45:17.000 Yeah.

00:45:17.000 How bad was that?

00:45:19.000 Bro, I was in another place.

00:45:21.000 It was the weirdest thing.

00:45:24.000 I didn't have to cut weight.

00:45:25.000 That's my first time I never had to cut weight for my fight.

00:45:27.000 Wow.

00:45:28.000 I thought that was a good thing.

00:45:29.000 But I thought I was doing good.

00:45:30.000 I was winning the fight, then I got knocked the fuck out.

00:45:32.000 And I tried to cop it up to me faster.

00:45:36.000 That's my excuse, I think.

00:45:38.000 Well, it certainly would have drained your body to not eat for three days.

00:45:42.000 I mean, if you're going for a performance, they say it's healthy for your body every now and then to take a few days off and not consume any food, but not before a fight.

00:45:53.000 Not before a fight, yeah.

00:45:54.000 I mean, I wouldn't even say before camp.

00:45:56.000 I mean, I would say make it like you're out.

00:46:00.000 You got time.

00:46:01.000 Yeah.

00:46:02.000 I'd be trying to fast now for health reasons, and I can't even get past two days now.

00:46:06.000 Yeah?

00:46:07.000 Yeah, can't do it.

00:46:08.000 Do you eat a lot of carbohydrates?

00:46:10.000 No, I cut that shit out.

00:46:11.000 Yeah?

00:46:12.000 Remember, I got super fat.

00:46:14.000 Especially my last fight with Fedor.

00:46:16.000 My God.

00:46:17.000 Yeah.

00:46:17.000 I got super fat.

00:46:18.000 I got mixed diagnosed with hypothyroid.

00:46:21.000 Mm-hmm.

00:46:21.000 And they had me on this fucking medicine and shit.

00:46:23.000 And that shit fucked me up.

00:46:24.000 And I started training with this crazy social media guy named Sean Rez.

00:46:30.000 He's been my friend for years.

00:46:32.000 I met him from one of my other friends.

00:46:34.000 And I used to always see him, we used to all kick it and party and stuff like that, you know, go out drinking and we end up at his house with girls and stuff and hang out.

00:46:41.000 And he was always ripped, like a Persian guy, but he looked like a fucking Viking, right?

00:46:46.000 So one day I asked the guy, like, man, how in the fuck you stay ripped like that all year round?

00:46:51.000 And he told me, he said, man, this is what I do.

00:46:54.000 I said, you on that shit?

00:46:55.000 He said, no, I ain't on shit.

00:46:56.000 And he said, I do two hours of cardio.

00:47:00.000 He works out like two or three times a day.

00:47:02.000 And he don't eat carbs.

00:47:05.000 Jesus Christ.

00:47:06.000 That's my trainer.

00:47:07.000 That's my coach.

00:47:07.000 He changed my fucking life, bro.

00:47:09.000 Damn.

00:47:09.000 That dude looks good.

00:47:11.000 I lost 30 pounds training with him.

00:47:12.000 And so he does two hours of cardio.

00:47:14.000 How often a week?

00:47:16.000 This motherfucker training like six, seven days a week.

00:47:18.000 So he does two hours of cardio every day?

00:47:20.000 Well, now I think he dropped it down to an hour now.

00:47:23.000 But when I asked him, he was doing two hours of Stairmaster.

00:47:26.000 And so I did it with him, right?

00:47:28.000 This motherfucker is on, like, level 13. I'm over there on level 4, like, fucking dying.

00:47:33.000 He's on level 13 for, like, fucking an hour straight.

00:47:36.000 Damn.

00:47:37.000 He's the strongest mind I ever fucking met.

00:47:39.000 Really?

00:47:39.000 Yeah, he changed my life.

00:47:40.000 And he don't take no shit.

00:47:43.000 You know how I be trying to get out of shit?

00:47:45.000 I'm like, no.

00:47:45.000 You meet me at the gym at this motherfucking time?

00:47:47.000 He don't give a fuck.

00:47:48.000 But he changed my life and changed my diet.

00:47:50.000 So now I just...

00:47:50.000 I don't know if it's like a carnivore diet, but I eat vegetables and stuff, but I mostly eat steak every day and sweet potatoes.

00:47:58.000 Yeah, so like more of like, what would they call that?

00:48:01.000 Paleo diet?

00:48:02.000 Yeah, I just eat what he tells me to eat.

00:48:05.000 I think there's a lot of people that feel like the real problem that people have is with grains.

00:48:09.000 Grains, carbohydrates that come from bread, pasta, that kind of shit, rice.

00:48:14.000 And then if you can cut all that out and just eat meat and vegetables, you'll be way better off.

00:48:18.000 Bro, I've learned by traveling where I went to Columbia to get stem cells.

00:48:22.000 And I stayed there for like eight days.

00:48:24.000 And I lose weight and I eat whatever the fuck I want.

00:48:27.000 And I lose weight there.

00:48:28.000 I could eat pasta, bread, whatever there.

00:48:30.000 And I lost like 15 pounds in eight days.

00:48:32.000 Over there getting a body accelerator.

00:48:35.000 Yeah.

00:48:36.000 Getting stem cells.

00:48:37.000 At first I thought it was the stem cells.

00:48:39.000 But one time I went there and I just went to hang out.

00:48:41.000 I didn't get stem cells.

00:48:42.000 Still lost 15 pounds to food.

00:48:44.000 American food is bad, bro.

00:48:46.000 Terrible.

00:48:47.000 Terrible.

00:48:47.000 Just filled with preservatives and bullshit and seed oils and corn syrup and just shit.

00:48:53.000 Yeah.

00:48:53.000 Why?

00:48:54.000 Why are they doing us like that, man?

00:48:55.000 Because they make money.

00:48:56.000 They don't give a fuck.

00:48:57.000 The same thing is why they over-prescribe medications.

00:49:00.000 The same thing why they send us off to war.

00:49:02.000 They don't give a fuck.

00:49:03.000 When you allow people to make as much money as they possibly can, they do almost every time, especially Americans, almost every time they sacrifice people for money.

00:49:15.000 Yeah, I figured that's what it is all boiled down to money, but there's other ways to make money off us.

00:49:19.000 Yeah, but they started this shit in the 1960s, man.

00:49:22.000 They bribed sugar scientists.

00:49:25.000 It was the 60s, right?

00:49:26.000 Wasn't it when they did that?

00:49:27.000 I think it was the 60s.

00:49:28.000 50s?

00:49:29.000 They bribed sugar scientists, they bribed scientists rather, to say that sugar is good for you and saturated fats are bad for you.

00:49:38.000 They tried to say that all these people having heart attacks and all the cardiovascular issues that people have, that this is actually because of saturated fat, which is just not true.

00:49:48.000 You're right, 60s and 70s.

00:49:49.000 1960s, the sugar industry paid scientists to downplay the link between sugar and heart disease and instead promote saturated fat as the culprit.

00:49:58.000 Sugar Research Foundation, now known as the Sugar Association, funded the research that reviewed the scientific literature and set the review's objective.

00:50:05.000 Sugar Research Foundation also provided materials for review and examine drafts before publication.

00:50:11.000 Yeah, it was all bullshit.

00:50:13.000 And fat is good for you.

00:50:15.000 Fat is healthy for you, especially saturated fat.

00:50:18.000 What?

00:50:19.000 What are you saying?

00:50:20.000 Yeah, fat from meat is really good for you.

00:50:22.000 Makes sense.

00:50:23.000 Yeah, of course it makes sense.

00:50:24.000 It's what human beings have been eating forever.

00:50:27.000 It's what most indigenous tribes, that's what they try to get.

00:50:31.000 They try to get fat.

00:50:32.000 They try to get meat and fat.

00:50:34.000 That's why people like Inuits, before American food started, American food and alcohol and cigarettes started making its way to the Inuit tribes, they had very low instances of heart disease.

00:50:45.000 And they eat nothing but fat.

00:50:47.000 They're eating fat all the time.

00:50:49.000 They're eating whale blubber and all kinds of shit like that and seal.

00:50:52.000 It seems like it's just more natural.

00:50:54.000 It's normal.

00:50:55.000 It's food.

00:50:56.000 It's real food.

00:50:58.000 When people say that margarine is good for you, margarine is fucking terrible for you.

00:51:04.000 I can't believe it's not butter.

00:51:05.000 Bitch, I can believe it.

00:51:07.000 It doesn't taste anything like butter.

00:51:09.000 It's got a buttery texture.

00:51:11.000 It's fucking terrible.

00:51:12.000 It's a big tub of seed oil.

00:51:13.000 That shit's awful for you.

00:51:14.000 Oh, man.

00:51:15.000 There's also, like, there's a lot of people that try to link the consumption of seed oils and margarine and shit like that to Alzheimer's.

00:51:22.000 That's when people started getting Alzheimer's disease.

00:51:24.000 And they started using that stuff instead of butter and margarine, or butter and fat.

00:51:29.000 I remember hearing that it was from deodorant, antiperspirant.

00:51:33.000 That's not true?

00:51:34.000 That's gotta be bad for you, too.

00:51:35.000 That scared me, because I don't want to be funky, though, but then I don't want to be mindless.

00:51:40.000 You can use...

00:51:42.000 There's deodorants that don't have aluminum in it.

00:51:45.000 I use a Tom's of Maine deodorant, but there's a bunch of other ones.

00:51:48.000 There's another one that I use...

00:51:51.000 Native.

00:51:52.000 Native's real good.

00:51:53.000 I'll use that.

00:51:54.000 But I use deodorant.

00:51:56.000 My son is a hippie, and he tried to get me into all this shit, and I tried it.

00:52:01.000 You have a hippie for a son?

00:52:02.000 Yeah.

00:52:02.000 My son, Roger, he's the one that was fighting.

00:52:06.000 He's a fucking hippie, bro.

00:52:08.000 In what way?

00:52:09.000 Shit, it's just like hippies, bro.

00:52:11.000 All natural stuff.

00:52:13.000 He's like mushrooms.

00:52:15.000 Mushrooms are good for you.

00:52:16.000 Talk to Rashad about that.

00:52:18.000 I know I did.

00:52:19.000 Rashad is one of the most knowledgeable people I've ever talked to when it comes to mushroom supplements like Reishi and Lion's Mane and all that stuff.

00:52:29.000 He takes all those.

00:52:30.000 That's the healthy stuff, but he likes the mushrooms that make you trip and shit.

00:52:33.000 He likes those too.

00:52:34.000 Well, it changed him into a totally different person.

00:52:37.000 He's a different guy.

00:52:38.000 Totally different guy.

00:52:39.000 He's this sweet, at peace, calm guy.

00:52:43.000 I think he's vegan now, too.

00:52:44.000 He's a vegetarian.

00:52:47.000 Vegetarian?

00:52:49.000 He eats pussy and vegetables.

00:52:53.000 Well, I can't knock on that because I'm a vegetarian myself.

00:52:57.000 No, he's a vegetarian.

00:52:58.000 I saw him not too long ago.

00:52:59.000 You know, him and I talking about doing a boxing match against each other in November.

00:53:02.000 Oh, really?

00:53:03.000 Yeah, we're trying to get that going.

00:53:04.000 What is going on with you and Shannon McKenna?

00:53:06.000 Bro, bro, this motherfucker called me out.

00:53:09.000 As soon as I got knocked out by Fedor, he called me out.

00:53:12.000 And he said he was going to promote the fight.

00:53:15.000 MMA guys, we're not promoted.

00:53:16.000 Wasn't it before that?

00:53:18.000 No, I don't remember.

00:53:19.000 You guys weren't jawing at each other before that?

00:53:21.000 No.

00:53:21.000 I remember after that.

00:53:22.000 Let's go champ.

00:53:23.000 Yeah.

00:53:24.000 And then we were supposed to fight and we finally had a show.

00:53:27.000 We was going to do it in Qatar.

00:53:29.000 But the guys that put it on, they ended up being fucking scam artists.

00:53:33.000 And I was trusting them.

00:53:35.000 I really liked the guys.

00:53:36.000 They was cool people, but fast talkers.

00:53:39.000 Two months before I pulled out, Shan was like, man, these guys are scammers, bro.

00:53:44.000 I'm like, man, you brought these motherfuckers to me.

00:53:46.000 He said, yeah, but I don't trust them no more.

00:53:47.000 They're scammers.

00:53:48.000 So I was like, man, there go this fucker.

00:53:50.000 I was waiting to fight him.

00:53:53.000 But I heard there's talk again.

00:53:55.000 He's still trying, but I lost my faith in Shannon.

00:54:00.000 I don't know if he's going to get it done.

00:54:02.000 He talks a good game.

00:54:04.000 I hope he gets it done.

00:54:05.000 If he ever gets it done, I'll be game to fight him.

00:54:07.000 But right now, I guess my first boxing match is going to be against Rashad.

00:54:11.000 I need to get that win back.

00:54:12.000 And where is that going to be at?

00:54:14.000 They were talking about in Atlanta.

00:54:15.000 Oh, really?

00:54:16.000 Yeah.

00:54:17.000 For what organization?

00:54:18.000 I'm not sure, but he said it was going to be under the 1FC banner.

00:54:21.000 That's what he meant.

00:54:22.000 Really?

00:54:22.000 Yeah, that's what he was telling me.

00:54:23.000 I'm waiting for my manager to talk to him.

00:54:25.000 Oh, interesting.

00:54:26.000 1FC. 1FC does everything.

00:54:28.000 That's an interesting organization.

00:54:30.000 Because they'll have an event with grappling, kickboxing, Muay Thai, and MMA. I like that.

00:54:34.000 I love it.

00:54:35.000 I like that fight that Mighty Mouse did with that Muay Thai guy.

00:54:38.000 Yeah.

00:54:38.000 Rod Tang?

00:54:39.000 That was very interesting.

00:54:40.000 His name is Raw Tang?

00:54:41.000 Rod Tang.

00:54:42.000 Oh, okay.

00:54:43.000 Rod Tang.

00:54:43.000 Yeah.

00:54:44.000 He's a wild dude.

00:54:46.000 He's tough, huh?

00:54:47.000 I see his clips on TikTok all the time.

00:54:49.000 He's dangerous.

00:54:50.000 Takes a crazy shot, too.

00:54:51.000 He's got an iron chin.

00:54:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:53.000 He just...

00:54:53.000 Yeah, those guys hit him.

00:54:55.000 Come on, motherfucker.

00:54:56.000 Hit me.

00:54:56.000 That's crazy.

00:54:57.000 He kicks so fucking hard, too.

00:54:58.000 I guess those little guys, they can do that, though.

00:55:00.000 They can let people hit him.

00:55:01.000 Some people.

00:55:01.000 You can't let Crazy Horse hit you.

00:55:03.000 You know?

00:55:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:04.000 Like, it's different people.

00:55:05.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:55:05.000 Like, Poetan, like, when you see Pereira, there's not a fucking person in the world that can get hit by that guy.

00:55:11.000 No, I wouldn't let no big guy.

00:55:13.000 No, not two or five.

00:55:14.000 Two or five.

00:55:15.000 Did you watch Joe Pfeiffer fight at 85?

00:55:17.000 Who?

00:55:17.000 Joe Pfeiffer.

00:55:19.000 He's on 303?

00:55:20.000 Yeah.

00:55:21.000 He was the featured prelim of the undercard.

00:55:24.000 He's one of the hardest fucking punchers ever.

00:55:26.000 I got to the fight late.

00:55:28.000 I watched it when that girl got that cut.

00:55:30.000 That was my first fight.

00:55:31.000 He was before that?

00:55:32.000 He was before that, I believe.

00:55:34.000 Yeah, because Mayra Bueno Silva was in the main card on pay-per-view.

00:55:38.000 And Macy Chasson.

00:55:40.000 This is Joe Pfeiffer.

00:55:41.000 With the white shorts?

00:55:42.000 Yeah.

00:55:43.000 This motherfucker can crack.

00:55:45.000 Oh my god.

00:55:46.000 What weight class is that?

00:55:47.000 85. And he's huge.

00:55:49.000 Yeah, 85. He's huge, but he don't look 85. I mean, he weighs 85 for about five minutes.

00:55:54.000 That fucking dude's huge.

00:55:55.000 Is he 85?

00:55:56.000 Yes.

00:55:57.000 I met him for the first time in Saudi Arabia.

00:56:00.000 And that guy was big as fuck.

00:56:02.000 I was surprised when I saw him.

00:56:03.000 He's tall as fuck.

00:56:05.000 Yeah.

00:56:05.000 Tall and long, you know?

00:56:08.000 And the dude he's fighting, Drekus Duplassi, that's another guy.

00:56:11.000 Like, how the fuck do you weigh 85?

00:56:14.000 I stand next to that guy.

00:56:15.000 I'm like, how the fuck are you 185 pounds?

00:56:17.000 They must be cutting from like 230 or 220. Oh, he's cutting from a lot.

00:56:20.000 He looks like a heavyweight.

00:56:22.000 When you stand next to Drekus, he's a big, wide motherfucker.

00:56:24.000 He's thick.

00:56:25.000 What's the weight class now in the UFC? What's the it weight class?

00:56:28.000 When I was there, it was 205. It's probably 205 right now, but the problem is Pereira has cleaned out the division.

00:56:34.000 There's only Ankolaev, who's very good.

00:56:37.000 That's a good fight, but a lot of people don't know who he is.

00:56:40.000 It's not like a big name fight.

00:56:42.000 Yuri Prochaska is a big name.

00:56:44.000 Everybody knows who he is.

00:56:45.000 Got that crazy look with the bun.

00:56:48.000 The samurai button.

00:56:49.000 He shaved that shit off after the fight, though.

00:56:50.000 Did he?

00:56:51.000 He's like, what the fuck am I doing here with this thing?

00:56:54.000 Yeah, it did look kind of stupid, though.

00:56:56.000 Well, you know, it looked crazy when he got hit because it bobs around.

00:57:00.000 Yeah, because the way he tapes it up and shit.

00:57:02.000 Why you got to tape it up?

00:57:03.000 It's in the back of your head.

00:57:05.000 It's not going to get in your face, right?

00:57:06.000 I don't think you should be allowed to have that because I think that gets in the way of stuff.

00:57:11.000 Yeah.

00:57:12.000 Because if you're trying to, like...

00:57:14.000 If you're trying to secure a choke, you're trying to go over the top of the head, there's like a thing there.

00:57:18.000 For a split second, it might keep you from clasping your hands together.

00:57:24.000 For a split second, it might keep him from getting out of something.

00:57:27.000 It's in the way.

00:57:28.000 Just braid it.

00:57:31.000 Don't put tape on it.

00:57:33.000 I don't understand that.

00:57:33.000 I think he wants to be like a samurai.

00:57:35.000 He thinks of himself as a Czech samurai.

00:57:37.000 Oh, he's Czech?

00:57:39.000 Yeah.

00:57:39.000 I didn't know where the fuck he was from.

00:57:41.000 He's a wild dude.

00:57:42.000 He's a wild dude.

00:57:43.000 And he hits hard as fuck.

00:57:44.000 But that's not good enough when you're fighting a guy that's that skilled.

00:57:47.000 Bro, fighting Alex, I didn't like the way he had his hands down.

00:57:52.000 You don't fight a guy like Alex with your hands that low because it takes a while to get him up.

00:57:56.000 Yeah.

00:57:57.000 Well, he likes to fight that way because he lures people in exchanges and he hits so hard.

00:58:02.000 And it works on everybody else.

00:58:04.000 It worked on Rockage.

00:58:05.000 It works on...

00:58:06.000 Dominic Reyes everybody else you don't want that guy standing in front of you you know because He lures you into exchanges and he's willing to take a shot to give a shot and his punches are so hard But you can't do that with Pereira because Pereira is a better kickboxer hits harder.

00:58:23.000 He's huge And he's just too slick.

00:58:27.000 He knows how to set things up.

00:58:29.000 He also knows it only takes one shot with him.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, he should have learned that the first time he fought him, right?

00:58:34.000 Get your hands up.

00:58:35.000 Well, the thing about the first time is what he won the first round of the first fight.

00:58:39.000 And then he was winning the second round before he got clipped.

00:58:42.000 And he actually had Pereira in a little bit of trouble.

00:58:45.000 There were some exchanges where he hit Pereira, had him moving backwards, but Alex is just too...

00:58:50.000 He hits you.

00:58:51.000 It's too scary.

00:58:52.000 I was worried about Alex's chin, but that was at 85 when he had to cut all that weight.

00:58:56.000 You know you cut a lot of weight, that folks up your chin.

00:58:58.000 100%.

00:58:58.000 And his chin at 85 was not the same.

00:59:01.000 I mean, you gotta think of how much weight he was cutting.

00:59:04.000 He was weighing in at 85 and then fighting at 225. That's insane.

00:59:10.000 That's 40 fucking pounds, man.

00:59:12.000 In one day.

00:59:13.000 In a day.

00:59:14.000 That's insane.

00:59:16.000 I mean, I don't know how he did it.

00:59:18.000 That weight cut is gonna take, I think that's what fucked me up with my health.

00:59:23.000 Yeah?

00:59:23.000 Yeah.

00:59:24.000 When you get older, look at people like James Toney.

00:59:26.000 You see how he looks now?

00:59:28.000 Yeah.

00:59:28.000 You remember where he used to fight at?

00:59:30.000 Yeah.

00:59:30.000 He'd be super middleweight.

00:59:32.000 Yeah.

00:59:33.000 I remember when he fought Roy Jones.

00:59:35.000 I remember when he fought everybody.

00:59:36.000 I mean, James Toney beat Evander at heavyweight.

00:59:39.000 You know, James Toney was a bad man.

00:59:41.000 Bad man.

00:59:41.000 Hard hit, too.

00:59:43.000 But he cut a lot of weight, and I think that...

00:59:44.000 Yes.

00:59:45.000 I think that folks up your metabolism or something down the line when you get older, cutting all that weight and then putting it back on.

00:59:50.000 Yeah, it does.

00:59:51.000 It fucks you up.

00:59:52.000 I'm sure.

00:59:52.000 Yeah, I'm sure it does.

00:59:54.000 I'm sure it does.

00:59:55.000 It's terrible for your kidneys.

00:59:57.000 Who else?

00:59:57.000 What's that Prince I seen?

00:59:59.000 Have you seen him?

01:00:00.000 Yeah, he's big.

01:00:01.000 Yeah, he's big.

01:00:02.000 Like, a lot of fighters go through that.

01:00:04.000 Like, Ricky Haddon, I think he got his stuff under control now.

01:00:07.000 But he used to blow up.

01:00:09.000 And that fucks you up.

01:00:10.000 Yeah, but it's also like fighters, when they're not training and they're not fighting anymore, they just start eating.

01:00:14.000 Oh, man.

01:00:15.000 Yeah, I was bad for that.

01:00:16.000 Yeah, they just eat like crazy.

01:00:17.000 You enjoy yourself because you have to be so disciplined in training camps.

01:00:20.000 And then after that, I used to always say, oh, I'm just going to enjoy myself for like a week, then get back, and I'm never going to get fat again.

01:00:28.000 I used to say this shit all the time.

01:00:31.000 Two weeks, bro.

01:00:32.000 Two weeks, I'm back fucking fat as fuck.

01:00:34.000 Isn't it crazy how quick it gets back on you?

01:00:36.000 Yeah.

01:00:37.000 Especially if you're eating pizza and bullshit and if you're drinking.

01:00:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:40.000 Drinking is number one.

01:00:42.000 Yeah.

01:00:42.000 Drinking puts it on you quick, and I think that's where Ricky Hatton was having a little bit of a problem.

01:00:47.000 Yeah.

01:00:48.000 But that happens to a lot of fighters.

01:00:49.000 Yeah.

01:00:50.000 Especially guys who've got some brain damage.

01:00:53.000 They really crave alcohol.

01:00:56.000 There's something about your dopamine levels drop.

01:01:00.000 When you've had a significant amount of brain damage, you've been KO'd a bunch of times.

01:01:05.000 A lot of guys lean towards alcohol to make them feel better.

01:01:09.000 But it's all, you know, some people get KO'd and they're fine.

01:01:14.000 Like those K-1 guys.

01:01:16.000 They don't even look gun-shy.

01:01:17.000 You know when Vanderlei knocked me out, that was my first time ever getting knocked out.

01:01:20.000 And I didn't even go all the way unconscious.

01:01:22.000 I remember hanging on the ropes.

01:01:24.000 You remember that?

01:01:24.000 And I remember thinking like, damn, I just got knocked the fuck out.

01:01:27.000 And I can remember everything.

01:01:29.000 I was dangling on the ropes and I remember like blood dropping.

01:01:32.000 And then after that, I was gunshot all the way up to when I come in to fight Chuck Liddell.

01:01:39.000 And I remember those fights.

01:01:40.000 I was gunshot and I was like, man, I got to fight Chuck Liddell.

01:01:43.000 He's like one of the best strikers I've been up against.

01:01:45.000 I need to bring somebody in to get me over this gunshot.

01:01:49.000 And that's how I met Chet Congo.

01:01:50.000 Really?

01:01:51.000 Yeah, I met him at the UFC once before.

01:01:52.000 He was like a big scary looking guy.

01:01:54.000 And my manager called his manager and we flew him from France over to that training camp.

01:02:00.000 And he kicked the shit out of me.

01:02:03.000 And I got over that gunshot.

01:02:06.000 Interesting.

01:02:06.000 It was a great camp.

01:02:08.000 Czech Congo was a beast.

01:02:09.000 Remember that fight with Pat Barry?

01:02:10.000 Oh my god.

01:02:11.000 That is one of the craziest comebacks in the history of the sport.

01:02:15.000 Craziest one.

01:02:16.000 Pat Barry was just swinging.

01:02:19.000 Pat Barry was a good kickboxer, man.

01:02:21.000 Real good kickboxer.

01:02:23.000 Pat Barry had him real badly hurt, and a lot of people could have stopped that fight, and he went down a couple of times, and then he clipped him with one shot.

01:02:32.000 Boom!

01:02:32.000 Bro, that's Congo for you.

01:02:34.000 That guy, countless times, he'd go through training camp, he'd get injured, won't tell nobody, and Steve would go out there and fight.

01:02:40.000 I'm talking about injuries that people would have to get surgeries for that wouldn't fight.

01:02:45.000 Really?

01:02:45.000 Yeah.

01:02:46.000 I don't know what's wrong with him.

01:02:47.000 Here it is.

01:02:48.000 There it is.

01:02:49.000 There's the one right hand that drops him.

01:02:51.000 And Pat just got reckless.

01:02:52.000 And he jumped all over him.

01:02:54.000 Pat had big power, too.

01:02:55.000 I mean, look at the size of him.

01:02:56.000 Look at the size difference, yeah.

01:02:58.000 But, yeah, I mean, Congo was real tall and big, but Pat was a tank, man.

01:03:05.000 I think I was in Congo's corner.

01:03:06.000 I can't remember, but I was watching that fight.

01:03:08.000 I think I was doing a commentating up top.

01:03:10.000 Here it is.

01:03:10.000 Boom.

01:03:11.000 Boom.

01:03:12.000 Out cold.

01:03:13.000 You don't even see it.

01:03:14.000 Yeah, you don't even see it.

01:03:15.000 He hit him with one, stung him, and then the other one, his eyes rolled back.

01:03:18.000 Oh, you see his eyes?

01:03:19.000 Yeah, they're still open.

01:03:21.000 Yeah, his eyes were rolled back.

01:03:22.000 He was out.

01:03:23.000 He was in the dark lands.

01:03:24.000 Look at him.

01:03:24.000 Oh my god.

01:03:25.000 Yeah, he was in the dark lands.

01:03:27.000 He just got too wild.

01:03:29.000 He got too wild.

01:03:31.000 I mean, he had Congo hurt, man.

01:03:33.000 Real badly hurt.

01:03:34.000 Yeah, he was going in for the kill.

01:03:35.000 He gets clipped by in the ear, and then this one.

01:03:37.000 Boom!

01:03:38.000 I mean, that one just shut him off.

01:03:41.000 And, you know, moving backwards, kind of, off-angle.

01:03:45.000 Still, crazy power.

01:03:46.000 But, you know, Kunko was a really good kickboxer, too.

01:03:49.000 He beat Krokop.

01:03:50.000 Yep.

01:03:51.000 I don't want to talk shit.

01:03:52.000 Kunko's like my big bro, but I was real proud of him to beat Krokop because Krokop is dangerous, man, with those leg kicks.

01:03:58.000 Those head kicks.

01:03:59.000 Every kick.

01:04:00.000 He's one of the hardest kickers ever.

01:04:02.000 There's a picture of him when he fought Heath Herring.

01:04:04.000 Did you ever see that fight?

01:04:06.000 Oh yeah, he kicked him in the body.

01:04:07.000 He kicked him in the body and his body is like, his shin is like halfway into his body.

01:04:12.000 It's a horrible picture.

01:04:14.000 And especially it's that left one, which is, you know, he said right kick hospital, left kick cemetery.

01:04:18.000 Yeah.

01:04:19.000 Yeah.

01:04:20.000 Oh my God.

01:04:23.000 That's Josh Barnett.

01:04:24.000 Oh yeah, that was a good one.

01:04:26.000 Look at that other one down there.

01:04:30.000 Who's that?

01:04:31.000 Is that Sean O'Malley?

01:04:32.000 Oh my god!

01:04:34.000 Look at that kick!

01:04:35.000 Who did he kick there?

01:04:36.000 Good lord!

01:04:38.000 Good lord!

01:04:40.000 That is liver all day!

01:04:42.000 I mean that is deep in the liver!

01:04:44.000 That's crazy!

01:04:47.000 That's it.

01:04:47.000 The upper left hand corner.

01:04:48.000 That's the one.

01:04:49.000 Look at that.

01:04:50.000 That shin is a perfect body kick.

01:04:55.000 That's deep into the body.

01:04:57.000 The first time I met Krokop was when I fought K1. Pride sent me to K1 because it was my last fight on my contract.

01:05:04.000 They thought I was going to get knocked the fuck out and renegotiate for less money.

01:05:09.000 I didn't expect for Crow Cop to like me.

01:05:11.000 They put us in a locker room together.

01:05:13.000 He was over there playing cards and stuff.

01:05:15.000 And this Japanese reporter come over to me.

01:05:18.000 I was on the ground stretching, warming up, whatever.

01:05:21.000 And I had my chain on the ground, which is crazy.

01:05:22.000 I never laid a chain down.

01:05:24.000 I don't know why I was on the ground.

01:05:25.000 And a Japanese lady came and she was like, Oh, why do you got this chain?

01:05:30.000 What does this chain mean?

01:05:31.000 You know, I guess K1 didn't know anything about me because I was coming from Pride.

01:05:34.000 And I put the chain on and said, oh, I'm a dog.

01:05:36.000 And I started humping her.

01:05:40.000 And Crow Cop died laughing!

01:05:42.000 Then ever since then, he liked me.

01:05:44.000 Every time I see him, he'll come and I could make him laugh and stuff.

01:05:47.000 He was a cool guy.

01:05:47.000 He's a cool guy.

01:05:48.000 He's a very cool guy.

01:05:49.000 He's one of the first guys that came from kickboxing that did really well in MMA because he was so explosive.

01:05:55.000 Yeah.

01:05:56.000 Like a lot of those other guys like Peter Ertz or Ernesto Hoost, I don't know if their style would have translated because they would just set you up over time and Ernesto would just be chopping at the legs and hit you with shots.

01:06:06.000 But Krokop would just, bah, just explode on you.

01:06:09.000 And he had good wrestling defense.

01:06:11.000 Antonio McKeith, say he was training with Krokop, teaching him wrestling.

01:06:16.000 Really?

01:06:17.000 Yeah, and Antonio McKeith is one of the best wrestling coaches.

01:06:19.000 He's one of the best MMA coaches out there.

01:06:21.000 Well, he developed very good takedown defense, and that's what made him so scary.

01:06:24.000 Because if you have to stand up with that guy, which shows you how good Fedor was in his prime, because those two fought in their prime, and Fedor was walking him down.

01:06:34.000 Stand up.

01:06:35.000 Stand up.

01:06:36.000 I mean, that was primarily a stand-up fight.

01:06:38.000 Fedor gives no fucks.

01:06:40.000 He was a wild dude, man.

01:06:42.000 Even though he beat my ass, he's still one of my favorite fighters.

01:06:45.000 Yeah, one of mine as well.

01:06:46.000 I think, you know, when you look at the great heavyweights of all time, it's so hard to say who's the greatest of all time, but you've got to have him in the conversation.

01:06:54.000 I wish he would have came to the UFC, though.

01:06:56.000 I wish they would have got close.

01:06:58.000 Got real close.

01:06:59.000 They had some meetings, but apparently the people that Fedor had running with him, the people that were running his business, they wanted a lot.

01:07:08.000 They wanted co-promotion with the UFC. It wasn't just like, give us some money.

01:07:14.000 I guess the UFC was willing to give them a lot of money, but they were like, no, we want co-promotion.

01:07:18.000 Yeah, that's too much.

01:07:19.000 They wanted to take over a little bit of the UFC. Yeah, I heard rumors they wanted to have rights to UFC Russia or some shit.

01:07:26.000 There's a bunch of different things.

01:07:28.000 You'd have to talk to Dana, but I remember it was enough so that they had to beef up security.

01:07:32.000 They were worried about how the negotiations went south.

01:07:36.000 Wow.

01:07:36.000 Yeah, they got nervous.

01:07:37.000 It was a weird time.

01:07:40.000 Those guys that were with him, they were serious dudes.

01:07:43.000 Wow.

01:07:44.000 Yeah.

01:07:44.000 I would like to fight Fredor again.

01:07:47.000 You know, that was my last fight.

01:07:49.000 And it wasn't me.

01:07:50.000 I was very unhealthy.

01:07:52.000 Why were you unhealthy?

01:07:53.000 What was wrong?

01:07:53.000 Because I got mixed diagnosed with...

01:07:55.000 Hypothyroidism?

01:07:57.000 Yeah, so I was on this medicine.

01:07:58.000 And the medicine was making me fat.

01:08:00.000 And I was training hard.

01:08:02.000 What kind of medicine did you have you on?

01:08:03.000 I forgot the name of it.

01:08:06.000 Synthroid?

01:08:07.000 Yeah.

01:08:07.000 Mm-hmm.

01:08:08.000 And I had been on it for a while, and then I started training with TJ Dillashaw and Warren Archuleta, and they took me over there to Coach Cal.

01:08:18.000 And that guy's a genius.

01:08:19.000 Yeah, he's a genius.

01:08:20.000 He's like a scientist.

01:08:21.000 So he looked at my blood, and he looked through everything, and he was like, you don't have a thyroid problem, dude.

01:08:28.000 Something wrong with your C3 or T3, whatever the fuck he said.

01:08:32.000 But you don't have a thyroid problem and that medicine you take is fucking you up.

01:08:36.000 And I just quit the medicine.

01:08:38.000 I said, I knew it was the fucking medicine.

01:08:39.000 But he said, hey, I don't suggest you just quit cold turkey.

01:08:42.000 You don't know how your body is going to react.

01:08:44.000 And then I said, fuck this.

01:08:46.000 This medicine fucks me up.

01:08:48.000 I'm quitting it.

01:08:49.000 And when I got to Japan, one of my coaches told me, oh, you got to carb up before your fight.

01:08:54.000 You got to carb up because he noticed I wasn't eating carbs.

01:08:57.000 I listen to my coach.

01:08:58.000 I'm a very coachable fighter.

01:09:00.000 And I just got bloated overnight.

01:09:03.000 I wasn't even looking that big when I got to Japan.

01:09:05.000 And I just fucking blew up.

01:09:07.000 And I said, fuck it, I'm fighting.

01:09:09.000 I'm not pulling out of this fight.

01:09:10.000 You were thinking about pulling out?

01:09:11.000 Yeah, when I fucking saw myself in the fucking mirror, I was like, what the fuck is this?

01:09:17.000 That's what you thought about pulling out?

01:09:19.000 Yeah, because I was fighting.

01:09:20.000 I trained hard.

01:09:21.000 I noticed I wasn't losing weight for the fight, but I was heavyweight.

01:09:25.000 I always wanted to get my weight down and look good, but I got down under 265, and I was training really hard.

01:09:31.000 People thought I didn't train.

01:09:32.000 People thought I threw the fight.

01:09:34.000 I was training hard.

01:09:35.000 It's the hardest I ever trained.

01:09:36.000 But I wasn't doing a whole lot of sparring and shit, though, because when I was training with Coach Kyle, that was the hardest training I ever did.

01:09:41.000 And it's so hard that you have to take the rest of the day off and the next morning.

01:09:46.000 Because it's like, so it's heavy cardio, right?

01:09:49.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:09:50.000 We're throwing 100-pound medicine balls at each other.

01:09:53.000 100-pound?

01:09:54.000 100-pound medicine.

01:09:55.000 While we was balancing on a boshu ball.

01:09:57.000 Jesus Christ.

01:09:58.000 With TJ Dillashaw and Juan Archuleta.

01:10:01.000 I don't know if you know Juan Archuleta.

01:10:02.000 Yeah, sure.

01:10:02.000 You know how small that guy is?

01:10:05.000 Coach Kyle had us flipping tires up a hill, like 200, 400 pound tires.

01:10:11.000 I never flipped a tire before.

01:10:12.000 This motherfucker used to flip his tire up the hill, run down and help me flip mine.

01:10:17.000 That's how strong that little motherfucker is.

01:10:19.000 Yeah, he's strong as fuck.

01:10:20.000 He's a great wrestler.

01:10:21.000 Yeah, great wrestler.

01:10:22.000 And they have you on that spin bike, like a hard spin bike type of thing for like an hour.

01:10:28.000 Bro, it was torture.

01:10:30.000 But I said, you know what?

01:10:31.000 I'm going to do this shit.

01:10:32.000 I'm going to train really hard.

01:10:33.000 And at the end of the day, all this shit fucked me up.

01:10:37.000 So I cursed those two specialists that I saw.

01:10:39.000 I saw two different specialists.

01:10:41.000 And they didn't do shit.

01:10:42.000 They said, oh, you got to be on this medicine for the rest of your life.

01:10:44.000 And the second one, after I saw Coach Kyle, I went to somebody and they did an MRI on my thyroid.

01:10:52.000 And they were saying that it's not enough data yet to know if you damage your thyroid from getting and putting a lot of red-naked chokes.

01:10:59.000 Oh, really?

01:11:00.000 They said it's not enough data yet.

01:11:01.000 Because I asked them, have you ever been in a red-naked choke and you fight so hard and your throat hurt a little bit?

01:11:06.000 Oh, yeah.

01:11:07.000 I asked them about that.

01:11:08.000 They said, yeah, it's not enough data yet.

01:11:10.000 You guys haven't been doing this shit long enough for us to know.

01:11:12.000 Oh, that makes sense.

01:11:13.000 That makes sense that it would hurt your thyroid.

01:11:15.000 I mean, it's right there.

01:11:17.000 It's right there, so they don't know shit yet.

01:11:19.000 I mean, you'd imagine.

01:11:20.000 I mean, if your organs are getting hurt by getting kicked, they bleed, you know, you piss blood after you get kicked in the body a bunch of times.

01:11:29.000 Yeah, I would imagine it hurts your thyroid.

01:11:31.000 I mean, if someone's got a real good squeeze, they get your neck.

01:11:35.000 That happened to me several times over the years, but I didn't really think anything of it.

01:11:39.000 And how many times in training?

01:11:40.000 Yeah.

01:11:41.000 Yeah, constantly.

01:11:42.000 That's where they get.

01:11:43.000 Well, that's where most people get really beat up from, really, right?

01:11:46.000 Most of the brain damage that people get is from training.

01:11:49.000 Yeah.

01:11:49.000 Especially in the early days when people basically just fought in the gym.

01:11:54.000 Do you remember when Marvin Eastman fought Travis Luter?

01:11:57.000 No, I didn't see that one.

01:11:58.000 Marvin Eastman fought Travis Luter in the UFC and Travis Luter caught him with a right hand and knocked him out cold.

01:12:04.000 But it was like at the end of the punch, it didn't look normal.

01:12:09.000 It looked like something was wrong.

01:12:10.000 And what I had heard was that Marvin Eastman had been KO'd twice in camp.

01:12:15.000 At least once.

01:12:16.000 I know he got KO'd at least, I think it was by Tito.

01:12:19.000 I think they were wrestling.

01:12:20.000 This was after I fought Marvin or before it?

01:12:23.000 After you fought Marvin.

01:12:24.000 Because you fought Marvin in 2000. This was in the UFC. You fought Marvin in the UFC as well.

01:12:31.000 I don't know if the Travis Luter fight was before or after that fight.

01:12:36.000 See if you can see it.

01:12:37.000 Find it Jamie.

01:12:38.000 Travis Luter KO's Marvin Eastman.

01:12:40.000 Because Travis was an awesome jujitsu guy.

01:12:43.000 Wasn't known as being like this crazy puncher.

01:12:46.000 But, you know, when you see guys that have fought that have been hurt real bad in the gym, you know, that happens all the time.

01:12:53.000 You know, guys get KO'd in the gym.

01:12:55.000 That's what happens to Ninja.

01:12:57.000 Really?

01:12:58.000 Yeah, the shoebox guy.

01:12:59.000 They was sparring so hard and fucked up his career.

01:13:02.000 2004. So this is before you fought Marvin Eastman.

01:13:06.000 That's right.

01:13:06.000 You fought Marvin Easton about 2007. Yeah, so he catches him on the end of this punch and Travis Luter, man.

01:13:13.000 Travis Luter is one of the best Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts to ever compete in MMA and He was a guy that he was the worst weight cut I ever saw in my life ever when he fought Anderson for the title.

01:13:25.000 So look at this.

01:13:25.000 Oh, isn't that crazy?

01:13:27.000 Yeah, I mean it's a good right hand, but I But it seemed crazy, right?

01:13:34.000 Yeah.

01:13:34.000 I think your chin just goes sometimes.

01:13:36.000 Yes.

01:13:37.000 But what I had heard from him was that he had been KO'd in training pretty bad.

01:13:41.000 Do you think it's mental?

01:13:42.000 I don't know.

01:13:43.000 I don't think that one was mental.

01:13:44.000 I think if you've been KO'd, I think your brain's damaged.

01:13:47.000 Just like if you hurt your hand.

01:13:48.000 If you break your hand and it's still fucked up and you try to punch someone, it's going to get hurt.

01:13:52.000 Same thing with your head.

01:13:54.000 But you would think that, you know, because your body heals itself, you would think your brain would rejuvenate over time.

01:13:59.000 It doesn't really.

01:14:00.000 It doesn't?

01:14:00.000 No.

01:14:00.000 No, there's a lot of problems with the brain and healing.

01:14:04.000 And one of the problems, there's a lot, right?

01:14:06.000 But one of the problems is the tissue, the connective tissue that keeps the brain centered in the skull.

01:14:12.000 That stuff rips over time.

01:14:14.000 And that stuff is, once it's gone, it's gone.

01:14:18.000 It doesn't return.

01:14:20.000 It doesn't heal back.

01:14:21.000 It's just like taking your meniscus out of your knee.

01:14:23.000 And your brain is just slapping around inside of there.

01:14:26.000 And guys get KO'd way easier.

01:14:28.000 Do you think stem cells help that?

01:14:30.000 Because I believe in stem cells.

01:14:31.000 I do too.

01:14:32.000 Yeah.

01:14:32.000 I mean, I know you go to that bio-accelerator place, which is great.

01:14:35.000 A lot of people have gone there.

01:14:36.000 It changed my life.

01:14:37.000 Yeah.

01:14:38.000 Stem cells are incredible, but I don't know if it helps that.

01:14:41.000 Your brain rejuvenates.

01:14:42.000 Especially not helps you take a shot.

01:14:44.000 It might help you heal from too many head injuries.

01:14:47.000 But I don't think it helps your ability to take a punch.

01:14:50.000 I think once that goes, that's gone.

01:14:52.000 You knowing that, would you let your son fight?

01:14:54.000 I would let my son fight before I'd let him do football.

01:14:57.000 Football is way worse.

01:14:58.000 I think it's way worse.

01:14:59.000 They did a study on CTE with football, and they went from high school all the way into NFL players.

01:15:07.000 And even in high school kids, most of them have it.

01:15:10.000 And then you get into NFL. People play all the time.

01:15:13.000 They played peewee, they played junior high school, high school.

01:15:16.000 Most likely they have some form of CTE. And then you get into, if you get into NFL, it's like 90 plus percent of the guys have CTE. I never heard of this shit until recently.

01:15:26.000 We had Chandler Jones on our podcast.

01:15:29.000 Our John Jones brother.

01:15:30.000 You met him before?

01:15:31.000 No.

01:15:32.000 I've seen him at the UFC. Yeah, he seems like a real cool guy, but he was saying that people diagnosed him with CTE, but he said he didn't believe in it.

01:15:39.000 Wasn't Chandler the one that had some sort of an incident where he went crazy?

01:15:43.000 Yeah, he did have something.

01:15:45.000 Yeah.

01:15:46.000 A lot of people don't believe in things that are still real.

01:15:49.000 You know?

01:15:52.000 Facts.

01:15:53.000 You know?

01:15:55.000 I didn't know what...

01:15:56.000 I'm just not hearing about this shit now, though.

01:15:58.000 You seem fine.

01:15:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:00.000 Fuck yeah.

01:16:00.000 You know, I don't take a whole lot of punches.

01:16:02.000 I got that cover and roll, baby.

01:16:03.000 I got that cover and roll.

01:16:04.000 Yeah, you've always been defensively responsible like that.

01:16:07.000 Except for leg kicks.

01:16:09.000 You got mad at me once.

01:16:11.000 But I wanted you to throw more, because your leg kicks are devastating.

01:16:14.000 I would see when you would hit guys with leg kicks, I was like, damn, I wish Quentin would throw more leg kicks.

01:16:19.000 I got to apologize to you about that.

01:16:21.000 Well, I apologize to you, too.

01:16:22.000 I'm like, it's not personal.

01:16:24.000 No, I know.

01:16:25.000 When I'm looking at you, I'm not thinking of you as a human being when you're fighting.

01:16:27.000 I know you're a human being, but I'm analyzing movements and what I think a guy can do to be more successful.

01:16:34.000 I don't mean to hurt your feelings.

01:16:35.000 No, you didn't hurt my feelings.

01:16:36.000 It was nothing that you said.

01:16:37.000 I'm going to clear it up for you right now.

01:16:38.000 It wasn't nothing you said.

01:16:40.000 It's the fucking fans.

01:16:43.000 When you said it, they all come to me on my social media.

01:16:47.000 Ever since social media.

01:16:48.000 So I'm going to explain to you.

01:16:49.000 You remember when I was fighting in Pride, I would check leg kicks if they were hard.

01:16:53.000 Except for Arona.

01:16:56.000 I wasn't going to check his leg kicks.

01:16:57.000 It would have hurt my knee.

01:16:59.000 But I would check leg kicks if they were hard.

01:17:02.000 But people in the UFC, they wasn't really kicking that hard.

01:17:05.000 Really?

01:17:05.000 No.

01:17:06.000 Their leg kicks wasn't that hard.

01:17:07.000 So I'd take them and I'd try to land a punch.

01:17:09.000 But the reason why I wasn't kicking that much is because they were desperately trying to take me down.

01:17:13.000 Right.

01:17:14.000 Even though I can wrestle, I started late.

01:17:16.000 I'm not the best wrestler.

01:17:18.000 And if you want to take somebody down, you're going to get them when they got their leg up.

01:17:22.000 But you were a very good MMA wrestler.

01:17:24.000 Yeah.

01:17:24.000 You knew how to use it in MMA. Yeah.

01:17:26.000 I was never good at one art.

01:17:29.000 When I put them together, that's when I felt like I'd come together.

01:17:33.000 So one time I tried to kick when they had me fight Matt Hamill.

01:17:36.000 That's the only fight I ever wanted to back out of.

01:17:40.000 I never wanted to fight that guy.

01:17:41.000 Why?

01:17:42.000 I just felt like he was a boring fighter, and I got tired of fighting wrestlers that hold me down and hump me and shit.

01:17:47.000 And I'm like, you know, it's fucking, for me, I like exciting fights.

01:17:52.000 I'd rather lose an exciting fight than win a boring fight.

01:17:55.000 It's just been my style.

01:17:57.000 And I didn't want to fight him, so I remember when I was fighting him, and it was back in my head, I was like, is Joe Rogan going to talk about me?

01:18:02.000 Now they're fucking kicking and shit!

01:18:04.000 So I threw a fucking kick and sure enough, he almost took me down.

01:18:07.000 I did not want that guy on top of me.

01:18:08.000 So I said, fuck this.

01:18:09.000 I never kicked again after that.

01:18:11.000 That's funny.

01:18:12.000 I kick in practice.

01:18:14.000 When I spar, stuff like that.

01:18:16.000 You know, I love Muay Thai.

01:18:17.000 I started taking Muay Thai right after that fight with Sakuraba.

01:18:22.000 I started training with Colin Oyama when he was training Tito.

01:18:26.000 I went straight up to Big Bear and I started training.

01:18:28.000 Colin's very good.

01:18:29.000 Yeah, he taught me to cover and roll.

01:18:31.000 Yeah, I learned a lot from that guy.

01:18:33.000 Yeah, he's very good.

01:18:34.000 Yeah.

01:18:34.000 He's trained a lot of MMA fighters.

01:18:36.000 Yeah.

01:18:37.000 It's interesting when you see those guys that were around in the early days that are still around now.

01:18:42.000 Yeah.

01:18:43.000 You know, and how many different iterations of MMA they've seen.

01:18:46.000 Like, the game has changed so much.

01:18:48.000 Like, you watch young guys now.

01:18:50.000 Like, there's guys that are entering into the UFC now that are elite fighters.

01:18:54.000 They're already elite.

01:18:55.000 First fight in the UFC. Yeah.

01:18:57.000 They're world class.

01:18:58.000 That's crazy.

01:18:58.000 You remember how it started off?

01:18:59.000 You just knew one motherfucking thing.

01:19:01.000 Yeah.

01:19:02.000 Yep.

01:19:02.000 Wrestling or kickboxing or Jiu Jitsu.

01:19:05.000 Yeah.

01:19:06.000 One of those things you were good at.

01:19:07.000 And everything else, you were just hoping to get to whatever the fuck it was that you do.

01:19:11.000 Yeah.

01:19:11.000 And it was crazy when people like Carl Parisian came around with Judo.

01:19:14.000 Like, what the fuck?

01:19:15.000 This motherfucker doing Judo?

01:19:16.000 Carl was throwing people through the air.

01:19:19.000 Carl was like one of the best Judo guys to ever compete in MMA. He was fucking good, man.

01:19:24.000 Yeah.

01:19:25.000 He was good.

01:19:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:27.000 I had to train judo one time.

01:19:30.000 It made me respect it a lot more.

01:19:32.000 I was fighting...

01:19:33.000 I forgot the damn guy's name.

01:19:36.000 I think it's Ishii something.

01:19:37.000 And he was like a judo gold medalist or some shit.

01:19:40.000 I had to fight him in Bellator, a big motherfucker.

01:19:42.000 So I had to train judo.

01:19:44.000 I trained for like a week.

01:19:45.000 I gave up, said, fuck this, man.

01:19:47.000 My wrestling gonna take care of this shit.

01:19:48.000 Well, those judo guys are so strong.

01:19:51.000 Because they're throwing bodies around all the time.

01:19:53.000 They're always hoisting bodies through the air and throwing them around.

01:19:56.000 I rolled with Carl once.

01:19:57.000 He was the hardest guy ever.

01:19:59.000 His body was like, he didn't look impressive, but he was crazy strong, like a chimpanzee, like just throws you around.

01:20:08.000 There's such an evidence, like a big difference in strength with a guy like that, that's just used to throwing bodies.

01:20:14.000 Hector Lombard, he's another one.

01:20:17.000 Crazy powerful.

01:20:18.000 Yeah.

01:20:19.000 Kyle Parison, he used to train with me, Tito, and I think Randy Couture.

01:20:23.000 He used to kick all three of our asses, taking turns, and we all big into him.

01:20:27.000 Wow.

01:20:27.000 Yeah, he was a beast.

01:20:28.000 He was a beast, man.

01:20:29.000 He was a beast.

01:20:30.000 I remember his fight with Diego Sanchez.

01:20:32.000 Holy shit, that was a wild fight.

01:20:34.000 I'd like to see him come back.

01:20:36.000 Kyle?

01:20:36.000 Yeah.

01:20:37.000 How old is Kyle now?

01:20:39.000 He's got to be younger than me.

01:20:40.000 I'm 46 now.

01:20:40.000 He's got to be younger than me.

01:20:42.000 Carl had a bad leg injury and he tore his hamstring and never got it surgically repaired.

01:20:49.000 So one leg was always like 40% of what it should have been.

01:20:53.000 It was bad to the point where he had to take painkillers and a bunch of shit.

01:20:56.000 He had a hole in the back of his leg.

01:20:59.000 You ever see a guy that tears their bicep and they get that weird where it curls up?

01:21:03.000 That was how his leg looked.

01:21:04.000 So the back of his leg had like a hole in it.

01:21:07.000 Like, his hamstring was gone.

01:21:09.000 It's hard to come back from that shit.

01:21:10.000 Yeah, so he could have had it, but he would have had to have surgery right after the tear, and he didn't.

01:21:16.000 And so once it curls up and locks in place, like, I guess they can't bring it back.

01:21:20.000 Oh.

01:21:21.000 Yeah.

01:21:21.000 How do you feel about the, like, older guys, like me, Rashad, and Mark Coleman, all of us fighting in, like, a league with other older guys instead of putting us with younger people?

01:21:31.000 That's not a bad idea.

01:21:33.000 Like a Legends League?

01:21:34.000 Yeah, because we still love it.

01:21:35.000 We still love to fight, you know?

01:21:37.000 But we just can't compete with the...

01:21:40.000 Youngest guys.

01:21:41.000 Yeah, Father Time is undefeated, bro.

01:21:43.000 Father Time never loses.

01:21:44.000 And not only that, these young guys haven't had all the injuries that the older guys have had.

01:21:48.000 You know, you see older guys, they look fine, but, you know, who knows what the fucking neck, my knee, my hip, my fucking wrist.

01:21:56.000 There's always something.

01:21:56.000 If you've had 25 MMA fights, 35 MMA fights, you got problems.

01:22:02.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

01:22:04.000 I don't know anybody who's not banged up.

01:22:06.000 Man, when I get out of bed in the morning, like the first couple steps, I'm like, damn, was it worth it?

01:22:16.000 Yeah, but you came out better than most people.

01:22:19.000 Yeah, I already had an injury coming into MMA. My knee was fucked.

01:22:23.000 I fucked my knee up in college, but I haven't had too much passion.

01:22:27.000 What'd you do with your knee in college?

01:22:28.000 Man, half of my teammates wasn't coming to practice, and the coach was like...

01:22:35.000 Since you guys are not getting your teammates here, you got to work out for them.

01:22:38.000 So they used to pair us up in groups of twos and make us do 15 push-ups.

01:22:43.000 Other guys do 15 reps.

01:22:44.000 Then you go all the way down to five, right?

01:22:47.000 And after two weeks of that, we got so strong.

01:22:50.000 We was bottoming out on everything, right?

01:22:52.000 So I'm wrestling one of my teammates.

01:22:56.000 We're good to go.

01:23:13.000 He was going in for a single and I wasn't giving it up because everybody was talking shit to me.

01:23:16.000 I was the runt on the team.

01:23:17.000 He was the worst wrestler there.

01:23:19.000 And I think I took him down and he wanted to get his takedown back and he took my leg and he bent it sideways and went...

01:23:26.000 And I think he told my meniscus or some shit.

01:23:30.000 And they didn't even take me to the...

01:23:32.000 I don't even know what happened.

01:23:32.000 They never got me MRI. They just threw me away.

01:23:35.000 Really?

01:23:36.000 Yeah.

01:23:37.000 I let it heal up on his own.

01:23:39.000 And it never got 100%?

01:23:41.000 It never was the same.

01:23:42.000 Wow.

01:23:43.000 And then I think that was my meniscus.

01:23:46.000 I don't know, but I injured my meniscus when I was training for Ryan Bader.

01:23:50.000 I had like a little posture trainer.

01:23:53.000 The doctor told me, no, you don't want to fight because you can rip it all the way.

01:23:56.000 And it's not a fight in Japan.

01:23:57.000 It's hard for me to pull out in Japan.

01:23:59.000 That's why I think it's a good idea for me to go over there and make some babies.

01:24:04.000 Well, it's amazing what they can do with stem cells now because I had a tear on my right knee and I got stem cells on it.

01:24:10.000 I had a couple different cycles of stem cells.

01:24:12.000 Now it doesn't bother me at all.

01:24:14.000 I was like, fuck, I'm going to have to get it done on my right knee too because I had my left knee part of my meniscus removed.

01:24:20.000 Because it was a bucket handle tear, so you know it would lock out.

01:24:23.000 Yeah.

01:24:23.000 So it would lock straight.

01:24:24.000 It was like, pop!

01:24:25.000 Ah!

01:24:26.000 And then you can't bend your knee.

01:24:27.000 You're like, oh my god.

01:24:28.000 And it's painful as fuck.

01:24:31.000 Yeah.

01:24:31.000 I used to have Norico Rodriguez.

01:24:32.000 I used to corner him one time in his fight.

01:24:34.000 And that was my job.

01:24:37.000 Each round to pull his leg out.

01:24:38.000 Yeah, Rico didn't have an ACL. Yeah.

01:24:41.000 He fought at the highest level with no ACL. Yeah.

01:24:44.000 He was the first guy I ever heard that did that.

01:24:45.000 I'm like, that is crazy.

01:24:47.000 He didn't give a fuck.

01:24:48.000 Crazy.

01:24:49.000 It's crazy what fighters put up with.

01:24:50.000 I know.

01:24:51.000 Well, there's fighters right now that are fighting with no ACLs.

01:24:53.000 I know a couple of them.

01:24:55.000 Football players wouldn't do that shit, huh?

01:24:56.000 No.

01:24:57.000 No, you get it repaired.

01:24:58.000 I think we should get doctors like them.

01:25:01.000 You know how they have, what do you call those?

01:25:03.000 Physios?

01:25:04.000 I think we should have that on every team.

01:25:06.000 Have a set of physios.

01:25:08.000 Because we don't know what the fuck we're doing.

01:25:10.000 Even today, we don't know shit.

01:25:12.000 Well, that's why the UFC Performance Institute is so important.

01:25:16.000 They got that there?

01:25:17.000 They have everything.

01:25:18.000 Everything, yeah.

01:25:19.000 What?

01:25:19.000 I thought I'd leave The UFC Performance Institute is like one of the most high-level training environments in the world.

01:25:27.000 People come and do their camp in Vegas.

01:25:30.000 So if they know they're gonna fight in Vegas, they'll come to Vegas and bring their coaches and everybody does their whole camp at the PI. PI's incredible.

01:25:38.000 I've never been there.

01:25:38.000 Oh my god, it's amazing.

01:25:40.000 They videotape all the sparring sessions so you can watch it from multiple different angles.

01:25:45.000 They have it up before you could review.

01:25:47.000 Like, see, you do this.

01:25:48.000 You drop your hands.

01:25:49.000 See, you do this.

01:25:50.000 You can't defend like that.

01:25:51.000 You got to do it this way.

01:25:52.000 And you watch it all on high-def videotape.

01:25:55.000 They charge you for camp?

01:25:56.000 No.

01:25:57.000 No.

01:25:57.000 You just go train there.

01:25:58.000 What the fuck?

01:25:59.000 Yeah.

01:25:59.000 All the UFC athletes can go train there.

01:26:01.000 They have nutrition.

01:26:01.000 They feed you.

01:26:02.000 Yeah.

01:26:03.000 For free?

01:26:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:04.000 They'll set you up with meals.

01:26:05.000 Yeah.

01:26:05.000 For free?

01:26:06.000 Uh-huh.

01:26:07.000 Not only that, it's all nutritionally balanced for their work with a nutritionist, for your weight cut, for everything.

01:26:13.000 Yeah.

01:26:14.000 All healthy foods.

01:26:15.000 I got more respect for the UFC now.

01:26:16.000 Oh, it's incredible.

01:26:17.000 The place is amazing.

01:26:18.000 I did a tour of it.

01:26:19.000 It was amazing.

01:26:20.000 It's amazing.

01:26:21.000 I mean, they have sauna, cold plunge, like you name it.

01:26:24.000 Every modality, red light, anything that can help you heal, anything that helps you get better.

01:26:29.000 It's for free for the fight.

01:26:30.000 For free.

01:26:31.000 All the strength and conditioning equipment, anything you need, bags, everything.

01:26:35.000 Everything you need.

01:26:36.000 You just got to be on the UFC roster to use it?

01:26:38.000 If you're on the UFC roster, you go there and train.

01:26:40.000 Say what you want about Uncle Dana, but he did a lot for this sport.

01:26:43.000 Oh my God, without him, this wouldn't be possible.

01:26:46.000 Like, you see what happens with these other organizations with regular dudes running it?

01:26:50.000 They all fold up.

01:26:51.000 They fall apart.

01:26:52.000 You know, like, the UFC have the name in the beginning, but they ran with it after that.

01:26:57.000 Like, because Pride had a name too, man.

01:26:59.000 Pride, people don't know, Pride was bigger in Japan than the UFC was in America.

01:27:05.000 At the time, Pride, way before the UFC could ever do this, Pride was selling out 90,000 seat stadiums.

01:27:12.000 Yeah, I remember.

01:27:13.000 Pride was almost at the level of NBA is here in Japan.

01:27:18.000 I remember fighting, then the next day, my corner man, they would go and get a newspaper, a Japanese newspaper, and I'd be on the front page of the fucking newspaper.

01:27:26.000 Wow.

01:27:28.000 You never see that shit here.

01:27:29.000 No.

01:27:30.000 Well, you kind of do now.

01:27:31.000 Well, I don't know.

01:27:33.000 I don't see newspapers.

01:27:35.000 Newspapers don't really exist anymore.

01:27:36.000 But when it comes to news coverage, my news feed was overwhelmed with Alex Pereira's knockout.

01:27:43.000 Oh, for real?

01:27:43.000 Yeah.

01:27:44.000 Oh, that's good.

01:27:44.000 Yeah, there were so many pictures of it.

01:27:46.000 Because it was a giant event.

01:27:48.000 ESPN is on ESPN. Yeah.

01:27:49.000 Yeah.

01:27:50.000 But all these different websites were covering it because it's just...

01:27:54.000 First of all, when you got a guy that's that dominant, that's what people love.

01:28:00.000 They love a Mike Tyson.

01:28:01.000 They love some dude who's just fucking everybody up.

01:28:03.000 You can't wait to watch him fight people because you know what's gonna happen.

01:28:06.000 You know he's gonna fuck people up.

01:28:08.000 What fucked up prior was they lost their contract with Fuji TV. It's crazy that it could be so big in Japan and then dwindle away to almost nothing.

01:28:18.000 So you see events from Japan now, it's like a shadow of what it was.

01:28:22.000 Yeah, Risen, you would think that Risen would do what Pride did.

01:28:25.000 Right, you would think.

01:28:26.000 You would think Risen would like...

01:28:28.000 It would fill in the gap.

01:28:30.000 If the UFC went away, the PFL would probably take up the slack.

01:28:34.000 If something happened, the UFC decided, you know what?

01:28:38.000 We found Jesus.

01:28:39.000 No more fights.

01:28:41.000 Everybody, good luck.

01:28:42.000 Take care.

01:28:43.000 We're going to close shop for some crazy reason.

01:28:46.000 Those guys will go somewhere.

01:28:48.000 Everyone has a name.

01:28:50.000 Right now, the only way an organization could benefit, like PFL signed Francis.

01:28:54.000 That's probably the only way that PFL is going to get people to pay attention.

01:28:59.000 You have to have someone like Francis.

01:29:01.000 Who is he going to fight, though?

01:29:03.000 This is a wild Brazilian dude over there who's fucking dangerous.

01:29:06.000 That big guy that beat up Ryan Bader?

01:29:08.000 Yes.

01:29:09.000 That guy's fucking dangerous.

01:29:10.000 He's huge.

01:29:11.000 He's huge and he can strike.

01:29:13.000 But that's the only guy.

01:29:14.000 That's the only guy.

01:29:15.000 I mean, maybe if Francis, if the PFL gets some heat behind it because of this, maybe if they have the money, like I know there's some other countries that are involved, like the Saudis, if they get involved and they start throwing money away, maybe.

01:29:30.000 You think he'll go back to boxing?

01:29:32.000 Yeah, because he's made so much money, you know?

01:29:35.000 But, you know, after the Joshua fight, it's going to be different, right?

01:29:40.000 So the Francis Ngannou fight, it was, you know, he's fighting one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time and drops him in the second round.

01:29:48.000 And everybody's like, what?

01:29:51.000 And then he beat him up in the eighth round, too.

01:29:52.000 I thought he won that fight.

01:29:53.000 I thought he won that fight, too.

01:29:55.000 Yeah, I thought he won that fight, too.

01:29:57.000 But, you know, if they're setting up that Usyk fight, they were not gonna...

01:30:01.000 Yeah.

01:30:01.000 It just seemed like the fix was in a little bit.

01:30:04.000 Yeah.

01:30:05.000 It was close enough that they could pull it off.

01:30:07.000 They can go, okay, maybe.

01:30:08.000 Maybe you could see him winning that, but I don't think so.

01:30:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:11.000 I thought Francis won it.

01:30:13.000 A lot of people thought Francis won it.

01:30:14.000 Yeah.

01:30:16.000 Oh, there's that big guy, huh?

01:30:17.000 This dude.

01:30:18.000 What is his name?

01:30:18.000 Hannon Ferreira.

01:30:20.000 Ferreira?

01:30:20.000 Hennifer, he's big too.

01:30:23.000 He's like 6'7".

01:30:25.000 Look at that.

01:30:25.000 Look at that knee.

01:30:26.000 6'8", 260. Yeah, bro.

01:30:30.000 I think Francis can get him though.

01:30:31.000 Oh yeah, man.

01:30:32.000 Look, Francis can get anyone.

01:30:34.000 Anyone alive.

01:30:36.000 Anyone alive, if that guy hits you, he could put you asleep.

01:30:38.000 Man, Francis surprised me when he knocked out Alistair Overeem.

01:30:42.000 That's when he came to my radar.

01:30:43.000 I was like, who the fuck is this guy?

01:30:45.000 Bro, that was, to this day, one of the scariest left hooks of all time.

01:30:49.000 Because his head snapped so far back, it was like he was looking at his feet.

01:30:53.000 Like, he was looking at his ankles behind himself.

01:30:55.000 Like, it was crazy.

01:30:57.000 Yeah.

01:30:57.000 I never saw that.

01:30:59.000 And then when he knocked out Stipe...

01:31:01.000 Good lord.

01:31:02.000 I mean with the little gloves on and leg kicks and shit, there's not a whole lot.

01:31:08.000 Like that one.

01:31:09.000 Come on, man.

01:31:10.000 That kind of power?

01:31:12.000 Francis, man.

01:31:13.000 Dude, I took a picture with Francis in Saudi Arabia.

01:31:16.000 That motherfucker was twice my size.

01:31:17.000 He's huge.

01:31:18.000 He's big.

01:31:19.000 He's huge.

01:31:20.000 I'm happy that he went and got paid.

01:31:23.000 I'm happy that he got that money for the Tyson Fury fight because everybody was dismissing it.

01:31:27.000 Danny was dismissing it.

01:31:29.000 And then he drops Tyson Fury, and a lot of people's eyes won the fight, like, fuck yeah.

01:31:33.000 And then he gets a big payday against Joshua.

01:31:36.000 I'm happy that he made money, but I wish he would have made that money in the UFC. My dream fight was at heavyweight, Jon Jones and Francis.

01:31:45.000 There was actually an article that I read this morning that with the Saudis, you know, the UFC is now doing shows in Saudi Arabia, that Dana is not opposed to the possibility of a joint promotion with Jon Jones versus Francis.

01:32:01.000 Wow, that would be huge.

01:32:03.000 Huge.

01:32:04.000 Huge.

01:32:05.000 With all due respect, I think Jon Jones is a smart enough fighter to not fight Francis' fight on Elmundo.

01:32:12.000 Really?

01:32:12.000 Yeah.

01:32:13.000 Jon Jones, he ain't no dummy.

01:32:15.000 He's a smart fighter.

01:32:17.000 I always say Jon Jones is Neo.

01:32:20.000 Neo from the Matrix?

01:32:21.000 Yeah.

01:32:22.000 The kid, his mind is so strong.

01:32:23.000 I think that he would desperately try to get Francis down and submit him.

01:32:28.000 He won't be dumb enough to stand.

01:32:29.000 No, he won't stand with him.

01:32:31.000 John, as good as he is, has never been like a one-punch knockout guy.

01:32:35.000 No.

01:32:35.000 You know, he beats guys up and strangles them and beats them up on the ground.

01:32:39.000 Does he have any knockouts?

01:32:40.000 No.

01:32:41.000 From one shot?

01:32:42.000 I mean, he head kicked Daniel Cormier.

01:32:45.000 Yeah.

01:32:45.000 Yeah, and dropped him with that and then beat him up on the ground and stopped him.

01:32:49.000 Most of the time, he just mauls people on the ground.

01:32:51.000 Yeah, when he punched me, I was more worried about the eye pokes than the punch.

01:32:56.000 Does a lot of that.

01:32:57.000 What do you think about that, man?

01:32:59.000 Like the gloves that they have, I think to this day, I know the UFC changed their gloves and they got new gloves now.

01:33:05.000 And I think the new gloves are definitely better than the old gloves.

01:33:07.000 But Trevor Whitman has the best gloves ever.

01:33:09.000 You ever see his gloves?

01:33:10.000 No, no.

01:33:11.000 But I heard that when the UFC gloves was coming out, come out with new gloves, I heard that somebody invented gloves that keep your hand.

01:33:18.000 Curled.

01:33:19.000 That's Trevor Whitman.

01:33:20.000 Oh, okay.

01:33:20.000 But they didn't go with that one.

01:33:22.000 No, apparently Trevor wanted some crazy amount of money for the gloves.

01:33:26.000 For the padden?

01:33:28.000 I don't know what, like, to sell his design, his product, whatever.

01:33:33.000 He wanted a lot of money, apparently, and the UFC wasn't willing.

01:33:36.000 They were trying to make a deal with him, and I was telling Dana, get his gloves, man, they're way better.

01:33:42.000 And his gloves are curved.

01:33:43.000 They're curved, so that your hand sits like this always.

01:33:47.000 So that's his boxing gloves there, but what about his bag or his MMA gloves?

01:33:52.000 Does it show the Onyx?

01:33:54.000 Onyx is his company, O-N-X MMA glove.

01:33:58.000 That's the sparring glove.

01:34:00.000 But there it is.

01:34:01.000 I'm wearing it.

01:34:02.000 Okay.

01:34:03.000 That's it.

01:34:04.000 That's when Justin did my podcast.

01:34:07.000 And I put his glove on.

01:34:08.000 See how it's curved?

01:34:10.000 That's not even me making a fist.

01:34:12.000 That's just putting it on.

01:34:13.000 He put it on, it's curved.

01:34:14.000 That makes sense.

01:34:15.000 But why he didn't just back off on the price a little bit?

01:34:19.000 He should have, for sure.

01:34:21.000 Here's my thought.

01:34:21.000 And tell me what you think about this.

01:34:24.000 The UFC gloves, the way they are right now, why don't they cover the fingers?

01:34:28.000 Why don't you have a glove where you have the padding on the knuckle, but you just have a layer of leather that goes over the fingers and goes behind the hand like this?

01:34:37.000 That way, even if you do have your hands open, you'll be running into it like this.

01:34:43.000 Like a mitt?

01:34:43.000 You're talking about like a mitt almost?

01:34:44.000 Yeah, like a mitt.

01:34:45.000 Almost like pride gloves a little bit, but over the fingers?

01:34:48.000 But covering the fingertips.

01:34:50.000 I think the grapplers will get upset about that.

01:34:51.000 But why?

01:34:52.000 Because you never do this.

01:34:54.000 You never interlace your fingers together, right?

01:34:57.000 That's Hayabusa.

01:34:58.000 Yeah, but I know.

01:34:59.000 But like that?

01:35:00.000 No, I mean covering the tips of the fingers.

01:35:02.000 The tips are still going to be there.

01:35:04.000 The problem is the tips.

01:35:06.000 The problem is the fingertips going into the eyes.

01:35:08.000 Like every time you see a poke, it's like one finger going into the eyeball.

01:35:13.000 But if you have it covered up, at least it would be different.

01:35:17.000 Like it wouldn't be one poke going straight through.

01:35:20.000 It would be a layer that's covering, a layer of leather that covers over the tip of the fingers.

01:35:25.000 I need to see those.

01:35:27.000 I'll tell you this.

01:35:28.000 I've been fighting for 25 years.

01:35:29.000 I've never poked anybody in the eye, not even in training.

01:35:31.000 Really?

01:35:32.000 Yeah, I never.

01:35:33.000 Because why you got to do this shit?

01:35:36.000 You shouldn't do that.

01:35:36.000 Exactly.

01:35:37.000 John is a master.

01:35:39.000 Bro, I was begging the referee.

01:35:41.000 Yeah.

01:35:41.000 I was begging the referee.

01:35:42.000 I'm like, look, I never do that in fights.

01:35:44.000 I never take my attention off my opponent.

01:35:47.000 I was going to that fight.

01:35:48.000 I was thinking about wearing goggles out.

01:35:50.000 Because I knew he was going to poke me in the eye.

01:35:53.000 I got poked in the eye in training camp trying to train that shit.

01:35:57.000 And I had like a little red spot in there.

01:35:59.000 And when we did the stare down, I know he saw that shit.

01:36:01.000 I'm like, damn.

01:36:02.000 Get him a fucking target.

01:36:06.000 He's really good at those leg kicks, too.

01:36:08.000 Those oblique kicks to the knee.

01:36:10.000 I think that should be illegal, bro.

01:36:11.000 You think so?

01:36:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:12.000 See, I'm thinking about starting my own MMA league, like Rampage style.

01:36:15.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:36:16.000 My own, what I think MMA should be like, right?

01:36:19.000 And I'm going to make that shit illegal.

01:36:22.000 That one thing.

01:36:23.000 That one side kick to the knee?

01:36:25.000 Oh, that oblique kick.

01:36:25.000 Fuck that shit.

01:36:26.000 Did you see the one Khalil Roundtree landed?

01:36:28.000 Oh, my God.

01:36:29.000 I got on him about that shit.

01:36:30.000 Oh, my God.

01:36:31.000 Did you get on him about it?

01:36:32.000 Hell, yeah.

01:36:32.000 What did he say?

01:36:33.000 He's like, man, fuck that.

01:36:34.000 It was a fucking technique.

01:36:36.000 It is a technique.

01:36:37.000 But that guy got some scary Muay Thai skills.

01:36:39.000 Oh, my God.

01:36:41.000 Yeah.

01:36:41.000 I want to go where the fuck he went and trained.

01:36:43.000 Yeah, I don't know which camp he went to.

01:36:45.000 Oh my god!

01:36:47.000 Bro, I can't even watch that shit!

01:36:48.000 I know, it's horrible.

01:36:49.000 He tore his knee apart.

01:36:50.000 Bukakis was out for like a solid year after that.

01:36:53.000 Look at that.

01:36:54.000 Sidekick right to the knee.

01:36:55.000 Bro, that should be illegal, bro.

01:36:57.000 Oh man, full power.

01:36:59.000 I can't even watch that shit.

01:37:00.000 Just tears his knee apart.

01:37:02.000 It's horrible.

01:37:03.000 Bro, John bent mine backwards.

01:37:04.000 My knee haven't been the same, but when I went and got stem cells, thank god.

01:37:08.000 Bro, that shit changed my life.

01:37:10.000 I took my knee braces off.

01:37:11.000 I could wrestle without my knee braces and shit after that.

01:37:13.000 But before that, it was hard for me getting in and out of my cars and everything.

01:37:17.000 And I bumped into John Jones one day.

01:37:19.000 We was at a nightclub or something.

01:37:21.000 And you know how I am.

01:37:22.000 I fucking, I cussed him out.

01:37:24.000 He was like, oh man, I'm sorry.

01:37:26.000 And he was like, come on over here with me.

01:37:27.000 We was going to go somewhere else.

01:37:28.000 And we had to walk up on some couches and shit.

01:37:31.000 And I tried to get up there.

01:37:33.000 I couldn't because this was before I went and got stem cells.

01:37:35.000 I couldn't get up there because of my fucking knee.

01:37:40.000 I laid it on thick like the Jewish guilt.

01:37:42.000 You know what I'm talking about?

01:37:44.000 I laid it on thick on it.

01:37:45.000 He felt bad.

01:37:46.000 And for me, that was good enough.

01:37:48.000 I forgave him after that because he did feel bad.

01:37:51.000 But my thing about fighting, I feel like we all Conrad's.

01:37:56.000 And that's how we make our living.

01:37:57.000 So I never tried to really hurt nobody besides Arona.

01:38:02.000 He made me lose my temper.

01:38:03.000 That's why I did that with him.

01:38:05.000 But nobody else, I never really tried to hurt anybody so they can continue to keep making money.

01:38:11.000 So I just have honor when I fight, and I want everybody to understand, like, look, this is just a sport.

01:38:18.000 I'm not trying to fucking...

01:38:19.000 I'm trying to knock you out and stuff like that, but I'm not going to try to main you, you know?

01:38:22.000 Tiago Santos, he ruined both his knees.

01:38:26.000 John did.

01:38:27.000 Yeah, both his knees after that fight, he had to get surgery on.

01:38:30.000 He tore both of them apart.

01:38:31.000 He sidekicked the fuck out of his knees.

01:38:34.000 He does the oblique kick to the thigh, too.

01:38:36.000 He does it everywhere.

01:38:37.000 So think about this.

01:38:38.000 You're a promoter, and you got this fighter that sells a lot of tickets, so you want to give him at least two fights a year, three fights a year.

01:38:46.000 But you got a guy like John Jones fucking your fighters up, man.

01:38:50.000 Now they fucking injured, and you'd be lucky they'd come back in two years or something like that.

01:38:54.000 It's not good for business.

01:38:56.000 It's definitely not good for business, but it's still legal.

01:38:58.000 It's legal right now, so it's hard to say.

01:39:01.000 I see the point that you shouldn't be allowed to target the knees, but then someone would say, okay, but you could roundhouse kick the knees, but you just can't sidekick it.

01:39:12.000 You can't hyperextend it.

01:39:13.000 Can you frontkick it?

01:39:14.000 No, you can't frontkick it.

01:39:15.000 Right.

01:39:16.000 Darren Till does it, too.

01:39:17.000 He was doing it a lot.

01:39:18.000 He fucked up Wonderboy's knee that way.

01:39:20.000 Yeah, it's like the elbows.

01:39:21.000 You're allowed to elbow somebody, but not in the back of the head.

01:39:24.000 Right.

01:39:24.000 But you remember John's spin elbow?

01:39:27.000 Mm-hmm.

01:39:28.000 Where did it land most of the time?

01:39:29.000 Back of the head.

01:39:30.000 Well, how about wheel kicks and roundhouse kicks?

01:39:32.000 A lot of times they land in the back of the head, too.

01:39:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:34.000 You go over the top of the shoulder, bang, it's over the back of the head.

01:39:37.000 Yeah, but those don't come off that often.

01:39:41.000 A lot of roundhouse kicks land on the back of the head.

01:39:44.000 They come off a lot?

01:39:45.000 Yeah, because especially if a person is standing orthodox and you're standing orthodox and you throw a high kick and you go over his shoulder, you're hitting them right here, right behind the head.

01:39:57.000 You know how to do that kick?

01:39:58.000 Yeah.

01:39:58.000 I saw you kicking a bag.

01:39:59.000 I was like, damn!

01:40:01.000 I knew you was good at jujitsu.

01:40:02.000 I didn't know you could kick like that.

01:40:03.000 Yeah, that's what I used to do.

01:40:05.000 I was a taekwondo guy.

01:40:06.000 That's how I started.

01:40:07.000 I call it take your dope.

01:40:08.000 Take your dope?

01:40:09.000 Yeah, it's not good for...

01:40:10.000 It's good for learning how to kick.

01:40:12.000 That's what it's good for.

01:40:13.000 It's not good for learning how to fight.

01:40:14.000 You don't think it's good for MMA? It's good if you know all the other things.

01:40:18.000 But you have to know all the other things.

01:40:19.000 There's no one from taekwondo that's just going to go into MMA and dominate.

01:40:23.000 Well, I think Anthony Pettis.

01:40:25.000 Right, but he's got great jiu-jitsu, great boxing.

01:40:29.000 I think he did Muay Thai with it.

01:40:30.000 Great low kicks.

01:40:31.000 Did he do Muay Thai with it?

01:40:32.000 Pettis could do anything.

01:40:33.000 He does everything.

01:40:34.000 That guy's a beast, too.

01:40:35.000 He's a beast.

01:40:36.000 That Showtime kick where he fought Henderson and bounced off the cage.

01:40:39.000 To this day, highlight reels forever.

01:40:41.000 Bro, that's like MMA. That's like some Tekken shit.

01:40:45.000 You know what my dream was?

01:40:46.000 I was training for it one time, but I never had the balls to pull it off.

01:40:49.000 I always wanted to do the jump uppercut.

01:40:53.000 I was training for that shit and called him like, man, sit your ass down!

01:40:56.000 That's hilarious.

01:40:57.000 I was going to pull that off in pride one day, but when the fight came, I just didn't have the balls.

01:41:02.000 So that's why I get jealous of guys that can do that shit, that they can pull it off in fights, that can be themselves.

01:41:07.000 Because when I fight, I'm not myself.

01:41:09.000 I'm not the same person that trained.

01:41:11.000 If you come see me train, even when I was champion, you know, best in the world.

01:41:15.000 At one time, I was best in the world.

01:41:18.000 I was fucking the first unified champion of fucking MMA. Right.

01:41:22.000 Before Anderson Silva did it.

01:41:24.000 In my mind, I was the best in the fucking universe.

01:41:26.000 And when I train, you come to the gym, I look like shit.

01:41:30.000 Getting the dog shit kicked out of me all over the fucking gym.

01:41:32.000 Really?

01:41:33.000 Yeah.

01:41:33.000 How come?

01:41:35.000 I think when I fight, I think Rampage comes out, you know, it's just my alter ego or something.

01:41:42.000 But sometimes he don't show up, Joe.

01:41:46.000 It's the weirdest thing.

01:41:48.000 And I'm not.

01:41:49.000 It's me out there fighting.

01:41:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:50.000 I like to joke around and laugh.

01:41:51.000 I like to say I'm a comedian pretending to be a fighter.

01:41:54.000 So I'm out there.

01:41:55.000 And one time I noticed I wasn't howling before the fight.

01:42:00.000 And the guy that's walking me out to the fight, he dropped something.

01:42:03.000 And I'm bent down to help him pick it up.

01:42:04.000 I'm like, Rampage will never do that.

01:42:06.000 That's when I knew it was like...

01:42:07.000 I'm like, he is not here.

01:42:09.000 I hope he show up when I get in the fucking cage.

01:42:12.000 Roy Jones Jr. said he had something like that too.

01:42:14.000 He called it RJ. He goes, this is Roy Jones.

01:42:17.000 He goes, when RJ comes out, everybody's in trouble.

01:42:20.000 Yeah, and he was on the next level, too.

01:42:22.000 Oh, man.

01:42:23.000 I don't know what that is, though.

01:42:25.000 I don't know what happens.

01:42:27.000 Like, I know in my locker room, I'm joking and stuff up to five minutes before the fight, and then when I start howling and stuff, like, oh, shit, Rampage is here.

01:42:35.000 My team, they knew it.

01:42:36.000 They just always say, oh, there you go!

01:42:38.000 I remember hearing them say it.

01:42:40.000 It must be crazy for them to watch you spar and lose in the gym and not look good, but know that you're just working hard as long as you're in shape.

01:42:49.000 Once you get in there, the real rampage comes out.

01:42:51.000 One of my coaches said that he knows people that's really good in the gym, but then when they're getting out in the lights and with the pressure, they don't perform.

01:42:58.000 It's way better to be the other way.

01:42:59.000 Look bad in the gym, good in the fights.

01:43:01.000 Yeah.

01:43:02.000 Yeah, I mean, there's also, like, people put themselves in positions in the gym because they want to work hard, so they put themselves in bad positions all the time that you would never allow yourself to get into in a fight.

01:43:12.000 I do that with the jiu-jitsu because I never really liked jiu-jitsu a whole lot, and it was, like, my worst thing, so I used to just start rolling with myself in guillotine chokes or get put in bad positions.

01:43:23.000 Just to fight out of things all the time?

01:43:25.000 Yeah, and I wouldn't tell my sparring partner what I was doing.

01:43:28.000 Oh, you just let them get in there?

01:43:29.000 Yeah, I just let them get me and stuff, and I try to...

01:43:31.000 Work my way out.

01:43:32.000 That's why I've always...

01:43:33.000 I've only been submitted like two times with rear naked chokes.

01:43:35.000 I just...

01:43:36.000 Those are my kryptonite.

01:43:39.000 Sakuraba got me.

01:43:40.000 Who else got you other than Sakuraba?

01:43:42.000 And Jon Jones.

01:43:43.000 Oh, that's right.

01:43:44.000 You know, I didn't train with tall jiu-jitsu guys for him.

01:43:48.000 I had a tall guy to spar with, but I didn't have anybody long and lengthy like that.

01:43:52.000 And I didn't think they would make a difference, but after the fight, I was like, fuck, yeah.

01:43:55.000 It makes a difference on the ground, for sure.

01:43:57.000 Because they can secure chokes from places that you just can't get to.

01:44:01.000 Training for that guy was the hardest training camp.

01:44:08.000 It was the hardest thing.

01:44:09.000 I remember my coaches.

01:44:09.000 I just listened to my coaches.

01:44:10.000 I don't watch the fights.

01:44:11.000 They were like, if he turns southpaw, he's going to throw this kick.

01:44:14.000 If he do this, he's going to do that.

01:44:15.000 Had to train for the oblique kick, for the spinning elbows.

01:44:20.000 That was the hardest motherfucking training camp.

01:44:23.000 Before him, it was...

01:44:27.000 What's the...

01:44:27.000 I'm having a brain fart.

01:44:29.000 The Brazilian guy, the karate guy.

01:44:31.000 Karate kid.

01:44:31.000 Lioto?

01:44:32.000 Oh my god.

01:44:33.000 That training count was so hard too.

01:44:34.000 Training for a karate guy.

01:44:36.000 He's southpaw too.

01:44:37.000 Oh, he was so good too.

01:44:38.000 In his prime, Lioto Machida was a beast, man.

01:44:42.000 Yeah.

01:44:43.000 Bro, I had to bring in karate guys.

01:44:46.000 We brought in this karate coach, and you know, I'm bad with names, and he was in that movie, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

01:44:52.000 Oh, okay.

01:44:53.000 And he was a karate guy, and I was with those managers from the UK, so they knew him.

01:44:58.000 Oh, the wolf slayer?

01:44:59.000 Yeah, and they brought that guy in, and he was getting mad when I was beating up the karate guys.

01:45:04.000 I was like, this is supposed to be my coach.

01:45:06.000 But you know what I'm saying?

01:45:07.000 He getting mad when he brought his karate guys.

01:45:10.000 And then the first day was fucking me up, but then I learned and I started fucking up the karate guys.

01:45:16.000 He was getting mad at me.

01:45:17.000 I'm like, man, you my coach.

01:45:18.000 That's crazy.

01:45:19.000 Why was he getting mad?

01:45:20.000 I think because it was his...

01:45:21.000 Loyal to karate?

01:45:22.000 Yeah.

01:45:23.000 Oh, no.

01:45:24.000 That's crazy how...

01:45:25.000 That's not a good coach.

01:45:26.000 Bro, martial artists have big egos, bro.

01:45:28.000 They do.

01:45:29.000 Huge.

01:45:29.000 Huge egos.

01:45:30.000 And they get real loyal to their particular style.

01:45:35.000 One of the things that would drive me crazy when I'd watch young guys is there was this guy that we were working with back in the day that was a black belt in Jiu Jitsu and he had this Muay Thai coach.

01:45:45.000 And his Muay Thai coach had him convinced that he's a dangerous Muay Thai fighter.

01:45:49.000 Just dangerous.

01:45:50.000 You're gonna fight.

01:45:52.000 You're gonna stand up.

01:45:53.000 And I remember they were asking him before the fight, is he ready?

01:45:56.000 How's he feeling?

01:45:56.000 He goes, he's Bangkok ready.

01:45:58.000 It's Bangkok ready.

01:46:00.000 Like, this motherfucker better shoot for doubles and take people down and strangle them.

01:46:04.000 Like, stop all this kickboxing.

01:46:06.000 You're not a kickboxer.

01:46:07.000 I'd watch the dude hit the bag, and I'd go, please take that guy down.

01:46:11.000 You don't have any power.

01:46:12.000 Don't listen to this guy, man.

01:46:14.000 You're fighting guys that are real strikers.

01:46:17.000 Like, you can't be striking with a real striker.

01:46:20.000 You're thinking you're striking because you're striking in the gym with guys and you're doing okay.

01:46:24.000 Real strikers are different, man.

01:46:26.000 These guys in the gym are not trying to kill you.

01:46:29.000 Right.

01:46:29.000 Sometimes they let you, you know, they don't want to, especially if they're getting paid.

01:46:33.000 Exactly.

01:46:34.000 Yeah.

01:46:34.000 Well, they're also sparring.

01:46:36.000 They're not fighting.

01:46:36.000 There's just a fucking giant difference, man, when someone's setting something up.

01:46:40.000 And you don't even know what it is.

01:46:43.000 There's so many guys that get delusional because they're good at one thing.

01:46:46.000 You know, they're good at one thing and they think that they know how to fight.

01:46:50.000 One of Eddie Bravo's black belts, he was going to do MMA. He said, I'm thinking of doing MMA. I go, how much training are you doing in striking?

01:46:57.000 Like, not much.

01:46:57.000 I'm just going to take him to the ground.

01:46:58.000 I go, listen to me.

01:47:01.000 I go, you know how good you are on the ground?

01:47:03.000 There's guys that are that good at stand-up.

01:47:05.000 You know how you can just play with some dude who has a white belt on the ground?

01:47:07.000 There's dudes that they get in front of you, you can't do a damn thing about it, and they're gonna be hitting you.

01:47:13.000 That's the difference.

01:47:14.000 The difference is if you take a guy down, you get him in an arm bar, he's tapped, and that's the end of it.

01:47:18.000 This is not that.

01:47:19.000 This is you getting separated from your fucking consciousness and getting punted in the head by a leg.

01:47:25.000 A leg.

01:47:26.000 I mean, you're fighting Muay Thai guys.

01:47:28.000 And he wound up getting fucked up.

01:47:31.000 And that was his only fight.

01:47:32.000 And I was telling him, like, don't do that again.

01:47:34.000 You can't disrespect that.

01:47:36.000 You can't think that just because you're good at this one thing, you're going to be good at everything.

01:47:40.000 But guys think that, which is one of the things I'm sure you've seen this.

01:47:44.000 A lot of real good kickboxers, they don't like to roll.

01:47:48.000 They don't like to roll because they don't do good at rolling.

01:47:50.000 They want to spar because they want to hit the mitts.

01:47:54.000 They want to hit the pads.

01:47:54.000 They feel good.

01:47:55.000 They throw those pads.

01:47:58.000 They look good hitting those pads.

01:47:59.000 Like, yeah, I feel good.

01:48:01.000 But you got to do what you shit at, though.

01:48:02.000 You got to do it.

01:48:03.000 But that's the difference between you, who became a champion, and some guys who just have big egos and they're fragile because you were willing to look like shit in training.

01:48:11.000 You were just training.

01:48:13.000 It's just training.

01:48:14.000 And then once you fought, you fought great.

01:48:16.000 But it's just like, you gotta be able to look like shit in training.

01:48:19.000 And if you're gonna get good at jujitsu, guess what?

01:48:22.000 There's only one way.

01:48:23.000 You gotta roll with guys who know how to strangle you because you gotta figure out how to defend yourself.

01:48:28.000 If you don't do that, you're never gonna learn.

01:48:30.000 And there's guys that were like real good fighters.

01:48:32.000 They just never learned that aspect of the game, and they just always were limited.

01:48:36.000 They always had a ceiling on how far they could progress.

01:48:39.000 Yeah.

01:48:40.000 I surprised a lot of people with my jiu-jitsu.

01:48:41.000 Because I didn't like it, and I never showed it.

01:48:44.000 People thought I didn't know it, but when I fought Dan Henderson, it kind of showed a little bit.

01:48:48.000 But what helped me out is, you know, Mayhem Miller.

01:48:51.000 He was my buddy.

01:48:53.000 We was like brothers.

01:48:54.000 Mayhem was good.

01:48:54.000 Yeah, he was good.

01:48:55.000 He was my training partner.

01:48:56.000 He was good.

01:48:56.000 And he went to train with Dan Henderson for that fight.

01:48:59.000 Oh, no shit.

01:49:00.000 Yeah, and so Dan Henderson's ground game was like Mayhams.

01:49:06.000 And Mayhem used to dominate me on the ground.

01:49:09.000 So Dan Henderson was fighting.

01:49:11.000 I was like, oh, I've seen this before.

01:49:12.000 And he's not as good as Mayhem at it.

01:49:14.000 So that helped me.

01:49:16.000 My buddy going training.

01:49:17.000 Mayhem was fucking good on the ground, man.

01:49:19.000 I remember Mayhem's finest performance was against Sakuraba.

01:49:23.000 When Mayhem, he beat the shit out of Sakuraba.

01:49:25.000 And I remember watching that fight.

01:49:27.000 I had a phone call with him.

01:49:28.000 We talked on the phone.

01:49:29.000 I was like, dude, you're on it right now.

01:49:32.000 Right now, you're world class.

01:49:34.000 Just keep your shit together.

01:49:36.000 And you could be an elite fighter.

01:49:39.000 Like a world championship caliber.

01:49:40.000 See if you can find Jason Mayhem Miller versus Sakuraba.

01:49:44.000 I don't think I ever saw it.

01:49:45.000 Maybe I saw it years ago.

01:49:46.000 But that guy, his jiu-jitsu was next level.

01:49:48.000 Next level.

01:49:49.000 Very high level.

01:49:50.000 Very high level.

01:49:51.000 But...

01:49:52.000 He just couldn't put it all together in the best fights.

01:49:57.000 The Michael Bisping fight, George St-Pierre, there was guys that knew how to beat him.

01:50:03.000 But this was mayhem.

01:50:05.000 Focused, in shape, training, full skill set.

01:50:09.000 And this was when Sakuraba was at the top.

01:50:11.000 He was beating the Graces and stuff, right?

01:50:13.000 Dude, Sakuraba was still very good.

01:50:15.000 I mean, he was a little past that now.

01:50:17.000 I think he'd already got KO'd by a couple of guys.

01:50:20.000 But he was still Sakuraba.

01:50:22.000 This is not an old Sakuraba.

01:50:24.000 I mean, he had his legs taped up like a mummy by then.

01:50:28.000 Yeah.

01:50:28.000 I saw Sakuraba a couple weeks ago in Japan.

01:50:33.000 Yeah, he was Sakuraba in his day.

01:50:36.000 Man, I remember when he submitted Conan Silvera.

01:50:40.000 And everybody was like, what?

01:50:41.000 He submitted a jiu-jitsu black belt?

01:50:43.000 Yeah, he's good.

01:50:44.000 He's tricky.

01:50:45.000 He don't stop.

01:50:46.000 He goes from one submission to the next.

01:50:47.000 That's how he got me.

01:50:49.000 So this is Jason.

01:50:50.000 Like, Sakuraba's going for a leg lock.

01:50:52.000 Jason defends.

01:50:54.000 Jason was so good on the ground.

01:50:56.000 Like, good luck catching him with something.

01:50:58.000 He won't tap anyway.

01:50:59.000 Jason won't tap.

01:51:00.000 Even if he got a fight in a week.

01:51:02.000 You give him an armbar, he won't tap.

01:51:04.000 Break his arm.

01:51:05.000 He don't give a fuck.

01:51:05.000 Jesus.

01:51:06.000 He was a wild dude, man.

01:51:08.000 He was a wild dude.

01:51:11.000 And this was like a dominant performance over a legend.

01:51:19.000 Gives a peace sign to the fucking camera.

01:51:23.000 Oh, once he got that wrist tie.

01:51:25.000 This was in Pride?

01:51:26.000 Yeah, man.

01:51:27.000 Man, I don't know why I didn't see this one.

01:51:28.000 Oh, no, it was Dream.

01:51:29.000 Oh, that's what it was.

01:51:31.000 Yeah, so this is post-Pride.

01:51:33.000 Yeah.

01:51:33.000 What year was this?

01:51:34.000 Does it say?

01:51:35.000 No.

01:51:36.000 Man, he's fucking Sakuraba up.

01:51:37.000 Oh, he fucked him up, dude.

01:51:38.000 It was a complete domination.

01:51:41.000 2010?

01:51:41.000 2010, yeah.

01:51:42.000 So this was like Sakuraba had already been beaten up by a bunch of guys.

01:51:46.000 Oh, okay.

01:51:46.000 And then he gets him on triangle.

01:51:48.000 Bro.

01:51:49.000 This is it right here?

01:51:49.000 Yep.

01:51:50.000 In the first round?

01:51:51.000 Yep.

01:51:52.000 Look at that.

01:51:53.000 Tapping.

01:51:55.000 Mayhem.

01:51:56.000 I couldn't believe Sakuraba tapped.

01:51:58.000 Yep.

01:51:58.000 I thought he would go to sleep.

01:52:00.000 I think he did go to sleep.

01:52:01.000 Did you know Sakuraba is a fucking chain smoker?

01:52:03.000 I heard!

01:52:04.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:52:05.000 Crazy, bro.

01:52:06.000 How?

01:52:07.000 I don't know how he has the fucking cardio he has.

01:52:11.000 Imagine the cardio you have if he didn't chain smoke.

01:52:14.000 Do you remember that fight?

01:52:15.000 What was it?

01:52:15.000 Was it Horse Gracie?

01:52:16.000 Mm-hmm.

01:52:17.000 And they took the time limit out?

01:52:18.000 Yeah.

01:52:19.000 That's because they knew he was a smoker.

01:52:21.000 Really?

01:52:21.000 So they just wanted to drag it out?

01:52:23.000 Yeah, because they thought that he was going to get tired.

01:52:25.000 Well, he's going to want a cigarette.

01:52:28.000 Man, I did a movie with him in Japan, and he had to take a smoke break every five minutes.

01:52:33.000 Wow.

01:52:34.000 Every five minutes, bro.

01:52:36.000 Wow.

01:52:37.000 Every five minutes.

01:52:38.000 I'm not over-exaggerating.

01:52:39.000 Was this like when he was in training back then, he smoked that much?

01:52:42.000 Yeah, this was like a couple years after I fought him.

01:52:45.000 Maybe like a year or two after I fought him.

01:52:46.000 How does he not fuck his lungs up?

01:52:49.000 Bro, I think it's mental.

01:52:51.000 See, I think a lot of things is mental.

01:52:53.000 I believe in the power of the mind.

01:52:55.000 I used to have a really strong mind back in the day.

01:52:57.000 Like, remember I told you about the Forrest kicking me, the calf kick?

01:53:00.000 Yeah.

01:53:01.000 Bro, my mind was so strong back then, I healed my leg up in between rounds.

01:53:07.000 My shit was in pain.

01:53:09.000 But I was mentally strong.

01:53:11.000 And I also think that's why I lost that fight, because I had the manager at the time that I didn't trust him anymore.

01:53:17.000 And I remember him saying, like, if Rampage lose this fight, I'm going to retire.

01:53:21.000 And I had been trying to fire him a couple times, but he got put on the heartstrings every time.

01:53:26.000 So I was thinking, I think subconsciously in the back of my mind, I lost that fight.

01:53:31.000 So you think maybe if I lose this fight, I can get rid of this guy?

01:53:35.000 In the back of my mind.

01:53:36.000 But I really wanted to win because I was champion.

01:53:39.000 But you were torn.

01:53:40.000 Yeah, but in the back of my mind.

01:53:42.000 But my mind was stronger to heal my leg up where I could go.

01:53:46.000 I couldn't feel pain.

01:53:47.000 My leg was really fucked.

01:53:49.000 That fight, I still think I won that fight when I went back and watched it.

01:53:52.000 I think I lost two rounds and I won three.

01:53:55.000 And I lost my belt.

01:53:56.000 I'd have to watch it again.

01:53:58.000 But I feel like It was a very close fight.

01:54:01.000 I remember that.

01:54:02.000 I remember it being a close fight, but I remember I slammed him.

01:54:04.000 I think I dropped him a couple times, and I think the only thing he did was really hurt my leg.

01:54:09.000 It was the first round, the second round, but I think I won the last three.

01:54:13.000 But I remember watching it again, because I'm honest about it.

01:54:16.000 When I fought Ninja at the time, I thought he won.

01:54:20.000 I told him right then and there, I was like, oh, bro, I thought he won.

01:54:23.000 I thought I got my ass kicked, but they gave me the decision.

01:54:25.000 I'm honest about that shit.

01:54:26.000 So you said that Ninja got hurt in training?

01:54:29.000 Yeah.

01:54:29.000 Yeah, that's what the word ran a campfire because, you know, shoebox, they spar hard.

01:54:34.000 Hard.

01:54:34.000 And you haven't heard about him fighting in a long time.

01:54:38.000 He retired a long time.

01:54:39.000 Already had some sort of brain bleed.

01:54:41.000 Yeah, they get knocked out a lot in sparring.

01:54:44.000 I heard some other people was training there with them.

01:54:47.000 I heard that Shogun and Vandalay, they fought for a puppy.

01:54:55.000 Because Shogun had some pitbull puppies and Vandalay wanted one.

01:55:00.000 And he was offering to sell it to him.

01:55:02.000 He said, let's fight for it.

01:55:03.000 And Vandalay KO'd him and took the puppy.

01:55:07.000 I believe it.

01:55:08.000 I believe it too.

01:55:09.000 I believe it.

01:55:10.000 Because apparently those guys knocked each other out a lot.

01:55:13.000 They're like savages of MMA, bro.

01:55:14.000 I think they just didn't understand that it's like a punch card.

01:55:18.000 You only have so many holes you can punch in that card and then that's it.

01:55:22.000 And if you're sparring like that, you're KOing each other, and then you're back in the gym on Monday, that's nuts.

01:55:28.000 Yeah, because normally when you get knocked out, you've got to take 30 days off.

01:55:31.000 You should take a long time off.

01:55:33.000 More than 30 days?

01:55:34.000 Yeah, a long time.

01:55:35.000 Like, Justin Gaethje said he's going to take six months off and not do anything for six months after that Max Holloway fight.

01:55:40.000 He's not even going to train?

01:55:41.000 I don't know.

01:55:42.000 I mean, I'm sure he's probably training, probably working out a little bit, but he's not going to do any sparring at all.

01:55:47.000 Bro, I think that's the most iconic knockout in MMA. Ever.

01:55:50.000 Ever.

01:55:51.000 One second to go in a five-round fight that he was dominating, and a five-round fight where a lot of people thought Max was outgunned.

01:55:58.000 I thought Max was winning that fight.

01:56:00.000 He was winning.

01:56:01.000 But I mean, outgunned, like going into the fight.

01:56:03.000 Justin Gage is a big KO artist.

01:56:05.000 He just got done head-kicking.

01:56:07.000 Dustin Poirier.

01:56:08.000 He's a 55er.

01:56:09.000 Max had lost a few times at 45 to Volkanovski.

01:56:13.000 And everybody was thinking he was past his prime.

01:56:15.000 And then Max just puts on a fucking performance of a lifetime.

01:56:19.000 But I always knew Max's boxing was his next level, though.

01:56:21.000 Next level.

01:56:22.000 Well, his heart and mind is next level, too.

01:56:25.000 And people also forget Max is only 32. He's just been in the UFC for so long.

01:56:30.000 His first fight in the UFC was 20 years old.

01:56:32.000 Oh.

01:56:33.000 Yeah.

01:56:33.000 I didn't know he was that young.

01:56:34.000 I think his first fight was Conor McGregor.

01:56:37.000 Was it?

01:56:38.000 Yes.

01:56:38.000 I think so.

01:56:39.000 Go to Max Holloway's career record for the UFC. Did he beat Conor?

01:56:44.000 No.

01:56:44.000 No, he lost a decision.

01:56:46.000 He was the only guy to survive in the early days of Conor when Conor was just flatlining everybody.

01:56:51.000 This was 145 Conor.

01:56:53.000 No.

01:56:54.000 His first fight was against Dustin Poirier.

01:56:56.000 Oh, that's right, he got armbarred against Dustin.

01:56:58.000 Yeah, Dustin got him in an armbar, and then his second fight was Conor, correct?

01:57:04.000 No, that was like his sixth fight, actually.

01:57:06.000 Really?

01:57:07.000 Yeah.

01:57:07.000 No shit.

01:57:08.000 Wow.

01:57:09.000 And then, okay.

01:57:11.000 Wow, he had so many fights, man.

01:57:12.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:57:13.000 So he lost to Dustin Poirier.

01:57:15.000 That's 2012. And then Pat Schilling, he wins.

01:57:19.000 Justin Lawrence wins.

01:57:20.000 Leonard Garcia.

01:57:21.000 I forgot about Leonard.

01:57:22.000 Shout out to Leonard.

01:57:23.000 And then he loses Dennis Bermudez.

01:57:25.000 I forgot about Dennis, too.

01:57:26.000 And then he lost to Connor.

01:57:29.000 That kid was 20 years old at that time.

01:57:31.000 Which is wild, man.

01:57:33.000 Way back in 2013. And then he goes on a run.

01:57:36.000 And then his run, like, look at his win streak after that Conor McGregor fight.

01:57:40.000 I mean, that is a crazy win streak.

01:57:43.000 Charles Oliveira, Anthony Pettis, Jose Aldo, twice, Ortega.

01:57:47.000 Fucking crazy.

01:57:48.000 And then he fought Dustin again at lightweight.

01:57:51.000 He tried to fight for the interim UFC lightweight title, but he didn't really gain weight the correct way.

01:57:55.000 And he talked about that.

01:57:56.000 He said he had, like, a little muffin top on the top of his shorts.

01:57:58.000 Mm-hmm.

01:57:59.000 Mm-hmm.

01:58:00.000 And so then loses to Volkanovski a couple of times, beats Arnold Allen, who's really fucking good, and a lot of people still like, eh.

01:58:09.000 Then he knocks out the Korean Zombie, and people are like, hmm, maybe.

01:58:12.000 And then the Justin Gaethje one, people are like, oh shit, we forgot.

01:58:16.000 We forgot.

01:58:17.000 Max is the man.

01:58:18.000 And he's such a nice guy.

01:58:20.000 Nice guy.

01:58:20.000 Great dude.

01:58:21.000 The nicest guy.

01:58:21.000 Great dude.

01:58:22.000 Yeah.

01:58:22.000 I want to ask you, who you think is the most well-rounded in MMA right now?

01:58:28.000 That's a good question.

01:58:32.000 That's a good question.

01:58:34.000 It's hard to say.

01:58:36.000 You know, it's hard to say.

01:58:40.000 Might be Sean O'Malley.

01:58:43.000 Sean O'Malley's not the best wrestler, but damn, his takedown defense is fucking good because he survived against Al Jermaine, you know?

01:58:50.000 I mean, Al Jermaine couldn't take him down.

01:58:51.000 He can knock anybody out with one shot.

01:58:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:58:54.000 He submitted Takanori Gomi in a jiu-jitsu match.

01:58:57.000 His jiu-jitsu is real.

01:58:58.000 Like, Sean can do everything.

01:59:00.000 And he's just a relentless, tireless worker.

01:59:03.000 He's a star.

01:59:05.000 Superstar.

01:59:05.000 Hey, how you seen those posts that, what's his name?

01:59:09.000 How you say his name?

01:59:09.000 Mohab?

01:59:10.000 What's that name?

01:59:10.000 How you say his name?

01:59:11.000 Which one?

01:59:12.000 The guy, I thought he was Mexican.

01:59:14.000 Marab?

01:59:14.000 Yeah, Marab.

01:59:15.000 Oh, Marab Davishwili?

01:59:16.000 Yeah, I thought he was Mexican when I first met him.

01:59:18.000 You see his post he do about Sean O'Malley?

01:59:21.000 Oh yeah, he's trying to get him to fight him.

01:59:22.000 But have you seen his post?

01:59:23.000 His recent ones?

01:59:24.000 Man, he got somebody that looks like Sean O'Malley and he be doing crazy shit to that motherfucker, bro.

01:59:29.000 That dude was funny, bro.

01:59:30.000 You know, I like funny shit, man.

01:59:32.000 Yeah.

01:59:33.000 Marab's funny.

01:59:34.000 Yeah.

01:59:34.000 Marab is an animal, man.

01:59:36.000 What he did to Henry Cejudo, I was like, I can't even believe this is happening.

01:59:39.000 I was there.

01:59:39.000 When he carried him, when he picked him up, and then he stuck his tongue out, and he walked over towards where the UFC people were, and then slammed him.

01:59:47.000 Slammed Henry Cejudo?

01:59:49.000 Olympic gold medalist?

01:59:51.000 Who the fuck does that?

01:59:52.000 Bro, I'm conflicted for that fight because you know F3 sponsors Henry, right?

01:59:56.000 That is crazy.

01:59:58.000 Brought him over to Zuckerberg.

01:59:59.000 That's right.

02:00:00.000 Bro.

02:00:00.000 I think that was...

02:00:01.000 Was that at the Apex?

02:00:02.000 No, that was in Anaheim.

02:00:04.000 That's right.

02:00:05.000 Anaheim.

02:00:05.000 I was there in the crowd.

02:00:07.000 I mean, then he had him in a 10-finger guillotine...

02:00:10.000 Dude, Marab is a scary character because that motherfucker never gets tired.

02:00:15.000 Bro.

02:00:15.000 And his heart is crazy.

02:00:16.000 Did you ever see his fight with Marlon Marais?

02:00:18.000 No.

02:00:18.000 Marlon Marais had him dead to rights.

02:00:22.000 He had him out.

02:00:23.000 I mean, he was battering him.

02:00:24.000 And Marlon is the best guy who never won a title in the UFC. He was so good.

02:00:30.000 But...

02:00:31.000 He would fold.

02:00:32.000 Something would happen, he would fold up.

02:00:34.000 And when he started getting KO'd a few times, it all went away.

02:00:38.000 He's a cop now in Florida.

02:00:40.000 But Marlon, in that fight, he had Marab in all kinds of trouble.

02:00:45.000 And Merab just wouldn't stop.

02:00:47.000 He's got a big heart, huh?

02:00:48.000 Oh, his heart is enormous, man.

02:00:50.000 He's unstoppable.

02:00:51.000 Like, his mind is unstoppable.

02:00:53.000 I mean, you can beat him.

02:00:54.000 Ray Borg submitted him, like, way back in the day.

02:00:56.000 He got him in the guillotine.

02:00:57.000 But, guys, you know, he just keeps getting better, too.

02:01:02.000 Merab, every time he fights, he gets better.

02:01:04.000 You think he's going to beat him?

02:01:05.000 He's the worst matchup for Sean.

02:01:07.000 The worst matchup on paper for Sean in that division is Merab.

02:01:11.000 Because if you would say, if you have a chance to beat Sean, how would you beat him?

02:01:15.000 You gotta take him down, right?

02:01:16.000 I would imagine.

02:01:17.000 I don't think there's anybody in that 135 pound division that can deal with that height, that length, KO power, footwork and movement.

02:01:25.000 What he did to Cheeto, I was shocked.

02:01:27.000 I was shocked because the first fight, you know, Chido beat him.

02:01:30.000 He kicked his leg and fucked him up and got him down.

02:01:33.000 But in the second fight, Chido didn't have a chance.

02:01:35.000 Now, Chido's a beast.

02:01:36.000 He's a beast.

02:01:37.000 He's a beast.

02:01:38.000 And he hurt him real bad in like the last couple seconds of the fight.

02:01:41.000 He hit him with a liver punch.

02:01:43.000 He hit him with a...

02:01:44.000 Chido hit him with a nasty left hook to the liver.

02:01:46.000 And man, if he landed that fight early in the fight, or landed that punch, rather, early in the fight, who knows?

02:01:51.000 But Shawn is so good everywhere.

02:01:53.000 He's so good, and you can't corner that guy.

02:01:56.000 He's just moving.

02:01:57.000 You know, you can't, like, corral him.

02:01:59.000 He's just constantly, like, and the consequences of moving in, like what Aljamain did, he just got a little rushed.

02:02:07.000 He rushed in on him.

02:02:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:08.000 He got hit with that right hand.

02:02:09.000 Yeah.

02:02:09.000 You can't rush on that guy.

02:02:10.000 No.

02:02:11.000 I wonder what Al Jermaine was thinking.

02:02:13.000 He said he kicked himself after that.

02:02:15.000 I think he just rushed it.

02:02:19.000 He just tried to close the gap.

02:02:20.000 He wanted to get a hold of him.

02:02:21.000 He just tried to rush in.

02:02:23.000 I think Al Jermaine's better at 145 anyway.

02:02:26.000 I think Al Jame is so big, I was always shocked that he could make 135. He's another guy, right?

02:02:31.000 He would walk around 176, 175 pounds.

02:02:34.000 Like, how?

02:02:35.000 How are you losing 40 fucking pounds?

02:02:37.000 I don't know how they doing that shit.

02:02:38.000 Killing themselves.

02:02:39.000 That's how.

02:02:40.000 Killing themselves.

02:02:41.000 But when he rehydrated at 35, he was like, just ripped.

02:02:45.000 Just jacked big muscles, strong as shit, and his back control is better than anybody's, man.

02:02:50.000 When he took Corey Sanhagen down and strangled him, I was like, oh my god.

02:02:55.000 Corey's good, man.

02:02:56.000 You think Al Jermaine's gonna make a comeback?

02:02:58.000 Yes.

02:02:58.000 Yeah, I think he's gonna make a comeback at 45. At 45?

02:03:00.000 Yeah.

02:03:01.000 Who's the champ at 45 right now?

02:03:04.000 Ilya Toporia.

02:03:06.000 Toporia.

02:03:06.000 Yeah.

02:03:08.000 I don't know a lot of these noob fighters.

02:03:09.000 Ilya Tepori is a monster.

02:03:11.000 He's a monster.

02:03:12.000 That dude's good.

02:03:13.000 He's the guy who knocked out Volkanovski.

02:03:15.000 Oh, yeah.

02:03:15.000 I think I saw that.

02:03:16.000 That was the same night that Henry and what's called fought, right?

02:03:20.000 Mm-hmm.

02:03:21.000 Yeah.

02:03:22.000 Ilya Tepori is a bad man.

02:03:24.000 That's him right there?

02:03:25.000 Mm-hmm.

02:03:25.000 He's a bad man.

02:03:27.000 He's very, very, very good.

02:03:29.000 But I want to see Sean O'Malley versus Corey Sanhagen.

02:03:33.000 That's an interesting fight to me.

02:03:35.000 If he can get past Marab.

02:03:37.000 That's his next fight, Marab?

02:03:38.000 Mm-hmm.

02:03:39.000 When is that?

02:03:39.000 You know, they already got it set?

02:03:41.000 I don't know when that is.

02:03:42.000 I heard rumors that that was going to be at the Sphere, which is in September.

02:03:46.000 But I've also heard rumors of other fights at the Sphere.

02:03:50.000 That one's going to sell out right away.

02:03:51.000 Fuck yeah.

02:03:52.000 That one's going to be nuts.

02:03:54.000 You got to go to that.

02:03:55.000 I want to go.

02:03:55.000 I heard Dana say that he's only going to do one and done there.

02:03:58.000 Yeah, you got to go to that one.

02:04:00.000 I would love to go to that one.

02:04:01.000 Yeah.

02:04:03.000 It's going to sell out right away.

02:04:04.000 I'll be trying to ask Tiki to get me tickets sometimes to help me out.

02:04:07.000 Bro, I got you.

02:04:08.000 You got me?

02:04:08.000 I got you for that.

02:04:09.000 Let's go.

02:04:10.000 Come on, Redfish.

02:04:11.000 You got to be there for that.

02:04:13.000 I would love to be there for that.

02:04:14.000 Yeah, man.

02:04:14.000 You got to be there for that.

02:04:15.000 UFC doesn't hook you up with tickets?

02:04:17.000 No, you don't.

02:04:17.000 That's ridiculous.

02:04:18.000 You're a former champion.

02:04:19.000 You should get tickets for the rest of your fucking life.

02:04:22.000 If I was running the UFC... No offense to the people that are champions.

02:04:27.000 You get tickets forever.

02:04:29.000 I fucked up my relationship with the UFC by doing that fucking movie over that Rashad fight.

02:04:34.000 What was the movie?

02:04:35.000 18. Oh, that's right.

02:04:38.000 That's when I fucked up my relationship with Dana and everybody.

02:04:42.000 But it was the hardest decision of my life.

02:04:46.000 I lost money doing the movie, but I'm not really fueled by money.

02:04:50.000 I don't love money, but I always wanted to do that movie.

02:04:55.000 It just came at a bad time.

02:04:57.000 The thing about doing a movie, though, is that if that takes off, then you're The Rock.

02:05:01.000 You know?

02:05:02.000 Who fucking knows?

02:05:03.000 You're John Cena.

02:05:04.000 Who knows?

02:05:04.000 Yeah.

02:05:05.000 There's a lot of guys that have become action movie stars.

02:05:08.000 Look at Randy.

02:05:08.000 He did The Expendables with Sylvester Stallone.

02:05:11.000 Yeah.

02:05:11.000 Crazy.

02:05:12.000 Like, you can get a real career in the movies.

02:05:14.000 And you can't fight forever.

02:05:15.000 Right.

02:05:16.000 Exactly.

02:05:16.000 And some certain things like that.

02:05:19.000 But, you know, the UFC, their business is making fights.

02:05:23.000 I understand.

02:05:24.000 You know, I understand...

02:05:26.000 I understand Daniel's point, you know, because I didn't sign a bout agreement.

02:05:30.000 That's the only thing that saved me.

02:05:31.000 But, you know, it was supposed to be in my hometown.

02:05:34.000 It was big.

02:05:35.000 It was just come off that Ultimate Fighter.

02:05:36.000 You know, the episode, that season broke records.

02:05:40.000 Yeah.

02:05:40.000 So I understand.

02:05:41.000 But it was just so hard for me to turn down that That movie.

02:05:46.000 And I try to keep my word.

02:05:47.000 When I give my word that I'm going to do something, and I was already dedicated to that project even when John Singleton was attached to it.

02:05:54.000 And I was like, you know, this is what I'm going to do.

02:05:57.000 Yeah.

02:05:58.000 It's a tough call.

02:05:59.000 Yeah.

02:05:59.000 When you were on The Ultimate Fighter with Rashad and you broke that door, I was like, they need to get new contractors.

02:06:04.000 That's the cheapest fucking door I've ever seen in my life.

02:06:07.000 Bro.

02:06:08.000 Whether you know it or not, most doors inside your house look like that.

02:06:11.000 Yeah, they're bullshit.

02:06:12.000 They're bullshit.

02:06:13.000 I had no idea, but I was glad it was.

02:06:15.000 Because my dumb ass, I lost my temper and I head-butted it.

02:06:18.000 Bro, I'm still embarrassed about that.

02:06:20.000 Oh, really?

02:06:20.000 That's one of my most embarrassing TV moments.

02:06:24.000 Just because you lost your temper?

02:06:25.000 Yeah, I hate to lose my temper, bro.

02:06:27.000 I hate it.

02:06:27.000 And it's so embarrassing.

02:06:28.000 I sever, like, relationships, friendships when I lose it.

02:06:33.000 I just get embarrassed.

02:06:34.000 And that's why I never post that shit on my social media.

02:06:37.000 That shit is embarrassing.

02:06:38.000 But, fuck, fans love that shit.

02:06:39.000 They loved you tearing apart a door.

02:06:41.000 Yeah.

02:06:42.000 And they love you and Rashad.

02:06:43.000 Like, you a bitch.

02:06:44.000 Treat me like a bitch.

02:06:45.000 You a bitch.

02:06:46.000 Treat me like a bitch.

02:06:46.000 Bro, I hated him, bro.

02:06:48.000 I hated Rashad.

02:06:50.000 I hate it.

02:06:51.000 What you were talking about earlier, the mushrooms, it changed.

02:06:53.000 He's a totally different person.

02:06:54.000 He's a different human being.

02:06:55.000 He's likable now.

02:06:56.000 He's very likable.

02:06:57.000 He's a sweetheart.

02:06:58.000 I still want to knock him out, though.

02:07:02.000 Who do you want to knock out more, him or Shannon?

02:07:05.000 Shannon.

02:07:07.000 He keeps calling you a pie.

02:07:09.000 Who calls people pies?

02:07:10.000 Something wrong with that guy, man.

02:07:12.000 He's fun, man.

02:07:12.000 I love that, dude.

02:07:14.000 He put my face over fat women's bodies.

02:07:19.000 And he keep fat shaming me, and he's fatter than me right now!

02:07:22.000 I'm like, why are you so delusional, bro?

02:07:24.000 You should not rip no more.

02:07:25.000 Did you ever see where he was on a boat and Vladimir Klitschko was out there paddleboarding?

02:07:30.000 He went and fucked with him when he was on the boat and made him fall off the paddleboard?

02:07:34.000 He's a fucking troll.

02:07:35.000 He's a fucking troll, man!

02:07:36.000 He showed up while he was eating and poured water in his face, started eating his food.

02:07:40.000 When you eat, we eat!

02:07:42.000 Yeah, so look at Shannon!

02:07:45.000 Ah!

02:07:46.000 Let's go!

02:08:00.000 Kisco just don't seem like a guy to joke around like that, though.

02:08:02.000 No.

02:08:03.000 Well, find the one where he finds him eating.

02:08:07.000 He was doing everything he could to get that fight.

02:08:12.000 Because he fought his brother, right?

02:08:14.000 His brother stopped Channing, I think.

02:08:17.000 Oh, did these two ever...

02:08:18.000 No, so he sits down while he's eating.

02:08:21.000 What you eat, I eat, champ.

02:08:22.000 I'm sorry, eating his food.

02:08:24.000 Eating his food.

02:08:32.000 He's helping him eat.

02:08:33.000 Have some food.

02:08:35.000 Here, have a glass of water.

02:08:36.000 Then he pours the water on his head.

02:08:48.000 He can sell a fight, though, that motherfucker.

02:08:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:08:51.000 Well, that shit sold fights, man.

02:08:52.000 Look, and Shannon, in his day, was a dangerous boxer.

02:08:56.000 He was a very, very good heavyweight boxer in his day.

02:08:59.000 He showed up at the gym when Klitschko was sparring.

02:09:03.000 He showed up everywhere.

02:09:04.000 I mean, he was the bane of Klitschko's existence.

02:09:06.000 Yeah.

02:09:06.000 Kind of amazing that fight never happened.

02:09:08.000 I didn't know which one it was.

02:09:10.000 I thought it was that fight, but it was his brother.

02:09:13.000 Right.

02:09:13.000 I didn't know.

02:09:14.000 No, he fought.

02:09:14.000 Shannon fought Lennox Lewis and had a great showing, too.

02:09:17.000 He hurt Lennox at one point in time in that fight.

02:09:19.000 Shit, Lennox sent his ass to the hospital.

02:09:20.000 He did.

02:09:21.000 He beat him bad.

02:09:22.000 He beat him bad in that fight.

02:09:23.000 Lennox was a monster.

02:09:25.000 In his time, man, Lennox is one of the greatest of all time.

02:09:27.000 Hell yeah.

02:09:28.000 Yeah.

02:09:29.000 I'd love to see Lennox against any of these guys today.

02:09:31.000 Man, I was in Saudi Arabia for that Tyson-Ngonu fight.

02:09:39.000 And we was meeting with the, uh, what's his name?

02:09:42.000 Turk?

02:09:42.000 The prince?

02:09:43.000 Yes.

02:09:44.000 And he asked, he had all the fighters that they invited that had us all in the room, and they were talking about doing, like, the legends boxing.

02:09:50.000 And he asked who wanted to fight, um, Linus Lewis.

02:09:54.000 Nobody said that.

02:09:55.000 I raised my motherfucking hand.

02:09:57.000 I was like, yeah, I'll fight them.

02:09:58.000 And then came over there, came to me and checked me out and looked at me and stuff like that.

02:10:02.000 I was like, yeah, shit, they paying big money?

02:10:05.000 I want to box.

02:10:06.000 I've been asking to box for years.

02:10:08.000 Nobody wanted to fight them.

02:10:09.000 So I thought they was going to put it together.

02:10:10.000 And then Shannon said, Saudi Arabia want us to fight.

02:10:13.000 And they never put their fight together.

02:10:15.000 I know that they were talking about having Lennox fight Mike Tyson.

02:10:18.000 It was right around the time after Mike Tyson fought Roy Jones Jr. And they were talking about making that.

02:10:25.000 But it didn't come to fruition.

02:10:26.000 I think Lennox really don't want to fight.

02:10:28.000 Yeah?

02:10:29.000 That's the feeling that I got.

02:10:31.000 But I think Lennox would have fought me.

02:10:32.000 It'd be a good fight for him.

02:10:34.000 Well, that's a thing you'd have to wonder, is Linux working out at all?

02:10:41.000 He looked like he was in good shape.

02:10:42.000 He didn't look overweight or anything.

02:10:44.000 Right, he's not overweight.

02:10:45.000 But is he working out?

02:10:46.000 I don't even know.

02:10:47.000 At least before Mike Tyson fought Roy Jones, you got to see all that footage of him training.

02:10:52.000 Like, okay, Mike looks good.

02:10:53.000 You could sell that.

02:10:55.000 But if you just decide to start working out again at 50-whatever-he-is, how old is he?

02:11:01.000 I don't know how old it is.

02:11:02.000 Lennox is older than me.

02:11:04.000 I'm 56. I think Lennox is like 58. You're 56?

02:11:08.000 I'm 56. You're 10 years older than me.

02:11:10.000 I'm 10 years older than you.

02:11:11.000 Damn.

02:11:13.000 And he's older than you.

02:11:14.000 Yep.

02:11:15.000 He shouldn't be fighting.

02:11:16.000 You don't think they should be fighting past 55 or something like that?

02:11:20.000 It's...

02:11:20.000 I mean, I think a person, again, just like I think you should be able to do slap fighting, you should be able to ride bulls, do whatever the fuck you want.

02:11:28.000 Like Mike Tyson fighting...

02:11:30.000 I don't think you should be able to stop a person from doing it.

02:11:33.000 I think if they pass medicals, if they want...

02:11:36.000 Look, fighting's bad for everybody.

02:11:37.000 It's bad for 20-year-olds.

02:11:39.000 It's bad for 58-year-olds.

02:11:41.000 You know?

02:11:41.000 I just feel like...

02:11:44.000 You should be able to do whatever you want to do.

02:11:46.000 I mean, look, riding bulls is always bad.

02:11:50.000 It's always bad, but yet bull riding's legal, you know?

02:11:54.000 Yeah.

02:11:55.000 BMX flips, those dudes do those flips, they paralyze themselves all the time.

02:12:00.000 Skateboarders, they fall down, break every fucking bone in their body, get horrible head trauma.

02:12:05.000 That's legal.

02:12:06.000 I feel like you should be able to fight.

02:12:07.000 If you're an adult human being and you make a decision and you pass the medicals, they look at you, they say, yeah, he doesn't have brain problems, he doesn't have heart problems, let him fight.

02:12:17.000 They should fight people closer to their same age, though.

02:12:20.000 Yeah, the Jake Paul thing is kind of crazy.

02:12:22.000 Mike is 50, he just turned 58 yesterday.

02:12:26.000 So, Mike is gonna be 58. Jake is gonna be 28. Jake's active.

02:12:32.000 You know, I mean, you see Mike run?

02:12:34.000 It doesn't look like his knees are in good shape.

02:12:37.000 Oh, for real?

02:12:37.000 No, it doesn't look good.

02:12:38.000 I've just seen him hitting pads.

02:12:39.000 He's done some sprints and stuff and people look at him and go...

02:12:42.000 But I'm gonna tell you something.

02:12:44.000 With all due respect, Mike Tyson just looked like his body type is awkward anyway.

02:12:51.000 Yeah.

02:12:51.000 The way he moves.

02:12:52.000 So that might just be him.

02:12:53.000 Have you ever seen him dance?

02:12:54.000 Yeah, he does.

02:12:55.000 It's awkward.

02:12:56.000 So I assume that maybe part of him running like this is just his body mechanics.

02:13:02.000 He's just like an awkward dude.

02:13:04.000 Perhaps.

02:13:05.000 But he's also 58. And then all the punishment of all those years.

02:13:10.000 I know he's had back problems and neck problems.

02:13:13.000 I believe he's had neck surgery.

02:13:16.000 You know, 58 is 58. There's no ifs, ands, or buts.

02:13:20.000 But then again, he's doing stem cells, peptides.

02:13:24.000 I would assume they let him do hormones, everything he wants.

02:13:27.000 I mean, there's no way they're going to ask him to be clean at 58 years old.

02:13:29.000 But that's a dream fight to fight Mike Tyson, though, I'm telling you.

02:13:32.000 This is what Lennox Lewis said after the USIC... He says, do hucksters still try to entice Lewis back in the ring?

02:13:38.000 He says, yeah, they do.

02:13:39.000 But as my friend says, I ain't no fool.

02:13:41.000 Hopefully that means a rejection of any stunt of a comeback for an undisputed champion as significant as Lewis.

02:13:50.000 He laughs.

02:13:51.000 I was seeing if I could catch you out there for me, money talks, bullshit walks.

02:13:55.000 Does that mean that we consider an astronomical offer to make a return?

02:13:59.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:14:00.000 I'd 100% consider it.

02:14:02.000 Lewis is still smiling when I ask if he works out regularly.

02:14:05.000 Yes, I do.

02:14:06.000 I ran five miles this morning.

02:14:07.000 I swam a couple lengths, 100 meters.

02:14:10.000 Then I woke up and took a shower.

02:14:12.000 Oh, he's joking.

02:14:16.000 He looked like he still trains, though, when I saw him.

02:14:18.000 I didn't see him with his shirt off or anything.

02:14:22.000 He's definitely not fat.

02:14:23.000 No.

02:14:24.000 He looks good for his age.

02:14:25.000 How old is Lennox?

02:14:26.000 58. Yeah.

02:14:28.000 Same age as Tyson.

02:14:30.000 Yeah, it's like, when you get to that age, why?

02:14:33.000 Because if you get hurt bad at 58, you don't really recover.

02:14:37.000 Did you watch Evander vs.

02:14:40.000 Vitor?

02:14:41.000 That was sad.

02:14:42.000 That's the same kind of age.

02:14:44.000 I think Evander was 59 during that fight.

02:14:48.000 Maybe 58. But Vitor just beat the shit out of him.

02:14:51.000 Did you feel bad for Evander?

02:14:52.000 Yeah.

02:14:53.000 Did you want to give Vitor a little talking to?

02:14:55.000 No.

02:14:56.000 Nope.

02:14:57.000 Because if Evander could, he would have done that to Vitor.

02:15:00.000 If everything was working correctly, I don't even think he took that on a full camp.

02:15:05.000 No, no.

02:15:06.000 It was a short notice.

02:15:06.000 Because he was supposed to fight somebody else, but they pulled out, right?

02:15:09.000 Right.

02:15:09.000 But how can a guy like Evander at 58, 59 years old, whatever it is, fight a short...

02:15:15.000 And it didn't look good.

02:15:16.000 It's like Vitor hurt him to the body with that left hand.

02:15:18.000 You know, boxers, they don't respect MMA fighters.

02:15:21.000 You better respect Vitor.

02:15:22.000 He was a boxer first, wasn't he?

02:15:24.000 Well, he had good hands.

02:15:26.000 I mean, he wasn't necessarily a boxer, but he was a jiu-jitsu black belt under Carlson Gracie.

02:15:31.000 When I first started training in 96, I started at Carlson Gracie's place.

02:15:35.000 And that was when Vitor fought for his first time.

02:15:39.000 He fought John Hess in Hawaii, and he fucked John Hess up.

02:15:44.000 John Hess was this big, tall dude.

02:15:46.000 He had some crazy system.

02:15:47.000 I think he called it SAFTA. It was like a lot of nut punches and eye pokes, and he was kind of a dirty fighter, like a dangerous, mean dude.

02:15:55.000 And Vitor just beat the fucking shit out of him.

02:15:59.000 And he was 19. He was so fast.

02:16:02.000 He was like 200 pounds.

02:16:03.000 He wasn't a big guy.

02:16:05.000 And see if you can find that.

02:16:06.000 Vitor Belfort versus John Hess.

02:16:09.000 So this is Vitor's debut.

02:16:10.000 This was happening while I was training at that academy.

02:16:14.000 In the UFC? His fight was in the UFC? No.

02:16:16.000 This was before the UFC. And so...

02:16:19.000 This was 96-ish, somewhere around there.

02:16:22.000 And then in 97, the first time Vitor fought in the UFC was the first time I worked for the UFC. That was UFC 12. Did he fight Van Der Le?

02:16:30.000 No.

02:16:30.000 He fought Scott Ferrozo and...

02:16:33.000 This is Vitor right here?

02:16:34.000 This is Vitor.

02:16:36.000 See, look at this dude's fighting with pants on.

02:16:37.000 Oh, my God.

02:16:38.000 Look at that shit.

02:16:39.000 Why would the referee...

02:16:40.000 Oh, my God.

02:16:40.000 There's no...

02:16:41.000 Referees didn't do jack shit.

02:16:42.000 Look at the referee.

02:16:42.000 He's a right head.

02:16:44.000 Pull it back to the beginning so you see the beginning of the fight.

02:16:47.000 That's all it showed.

02:16:47.000 That's all it showed?

02:16:48.000 Show it again?

02:16:49.000 He was a fucking kid.

02:16:50.000 Here it is.

02:16:51.000 So he stormed...

02:16:52.000 Oh, this is a bad footage?

02:16:53.000 Yeah, it didn't.

02:16:53.000 So he stormed across the fucking ring and just...

02:16:58.000 Teed off on that dude.

02:16:59.000 So I was training at Carlson Gracie's place.

02:17:02.000 I was learning jujitsu.

02:17:03.000 I was a white belt in 96. And Vitor was making his UFC debut.

02:17:08.000 And I remember everybody thought, like, oh, he's a black belt under Carlson Gracie.

02:17:12.000 This is going to be a jujitsu match.

02:17:15.000 Oh, here it is.

02:17:15.000 This is, like, real shitty footage of it.

02:17:17.000 So he grabbed John Hess.

02:17:19.000 That's a big motherfucker.

02:17:20.000 Huge.

02:17:20.000 Sean Hess was huge.

02:17:21.000 And Vitor was not big.

02:17:23.000 And Vitor just dragged him to the ground and beat the fuck out.

02:17:26.000 Look how thin he is back then, too.

02:17:28.000 Look how fast he's throwing those...

02:17:29.000 Oh, my God.

02:17:30.000 His hand speed's insane.

02:17:31.000 Bro, that looked like a murder.

02:17:32.000 It looked like I just witnessed a murder, bro.

02:17:34.000 He basically did.

02:17:35.000 I mean, he could have kept going and he would have been dead.

02:17:37.000 Have you seen his son?

02:17:39.000 No.

02:17:39.000 Vitor's son?

02:17:40.000 No.

02:17:40.000 Bro, find Vitor's son hitting the pads.

02:17:43.000 His son is apparently a star football player, like an elite football player, but crazy hand speed.

02:17:50.000 For real?

02:17:50.000 Hitting the pads.

02:17:51.000 Looks fucking phenomenal.

02:17:54.000 It's wild to see because it's like, that's got to be genetic.

02:17:57.000 So here he is.

02:17:59.000 Look at his hand speed.

02:18:00.000 Damn.

02:18:01.000 That's Vitor's son.

02:18:04.000 Kind of keeping his chin a little up in the air, he's throwing punches.

02:18:06.000 But he's not a fighter, though, huh?

02:18:07.000 No, well, I don't know.

02:18:08.000 I mean, he's sparring.

02:18:11.000 Bro, the kid has crazy hand speed.

02:18:15.000 I mean, you gotta think, like, with Vitor as your dad, I mean, those jeans, that's some real jeans, man.

02:18:21.000 Look at him hitting the pads, man.

02:18:23.000 Fucking dude's got hands.

02:18:24.000 Damn.

02:18:25.000 Hand speed.

02:18:27.000 Like, wild hand speed.

02:18:29.000 He should let him get out there.

02:18:30.000 Yeah, look at those fucking combinations, man.

02:18:32.000 Yeah, fuck.

02:18:33.000 Crazy hand speed.

02:18:34.000 Bro.

02:18:34.000 But that was Vitor, when Vitor was young.

02:18:36.000 So when Vitor fought in 97, I remember we all knew, but we were like, everybody thinks he's a jiu-jitsu guy.

02:18:42.000 And you're gonna have to deal with a hail of punches coming from this guy.

02:18:46.000 You remember when he fought Vandalay?

02:18:47.000 That's when he came on my radar.

02:18:48.000 He wore shoes and just went, apparently he was so scared of Vandalay, he was terrified before that fight.

02:18:54.000 That's what everybody was saying.

02:18:55.000 He was, like, crying in the locker room, like, did not want to fight Vandele, but just went out there and starched him in, like, ten seconds.

02:19:01.000 And just fucked him up.

02:19:02.000 Never gave him a rematch.

02:19:04.000 No, fuck that.

02:19:05.000 He ran across the octagon and just blitzed him.

02:19:08.000 Never seen shit like that before.

02:19:10.000 No, it was wild.

02:19:11.000 And look, my son was sparring with Anderson Silva's son a couple weeks ago.

02:19:16.000 Wow.

02:19:16.000 And he gave me an idea.

02:19:17.000 I said, fuck, man, we got fighters now, and we all got kids in their 20s, and so we should do a fucking reality show with the fucking kids.

02:19:24.000 Well, how about AJ McKee?

02:19:25.000 Yeah.

02:19:25.000 AJ McKee is good, man.

02:19:27.000 Next level, bro.

02:19:28.000 He's very good.

02:19:29.000 Yeah.

02:19:29.000 Very good.

02:19:30.000 Next fucking level, bro.

02:19:31.000 Yeah.

02:19:32.000 And everywhere.

02:19:33.000 He's a guy who's well-rounded.

02:19:34.000 But I've been knowing that kid since he was three years old.

02:19:36.000 I knew it already.

02:19:37.000 I'm not even surprised, because I used to train his dad.

02:19:39.000 That's what bothers me about...

02:19:41.000 Other organizations is that a guy as good as AJ McKee doesn't become a household name.

02:19:45.000 Nobody knows who he is.

02:19:46.000 Like, that sucks.

02:19:47.000 That's what makes me...

02:19:48.000 That's what upsets me when guys wind up going over there.

02:19:52.000 Like, I get it.

02:19:54.000 You know, like Corey Anderson.

02:19:55.000 They didn't want to let him go, bro.

02:19:56.000 They didn't want to let him go.

02:19:57.000 I told his dad, I said, man, get him over to the UFC... He's under contract?

02:20:01.000 Yeah, and Bellator, they just kept offering him money.

02:20:04.000 They didn't want to let him go because he'll walk a highlight reel.

02:20:07.000 Yeah, he's so good.

02:20:08.000 But it's still not good enough.

02:20:10.000 The Bellator thing, it's just like you can't be famous over there.

02:20:14.000 You can get kind of, like Venom got famous.

02:20:16.000 Michael Venom Page got famous from some of the knockouts, some of the things he did over there, but...

02:20:21.000 Even he, like, now he's famous, he's in the UFC. But he's 37 in the UFC. Like, I would love to see Michael Venom Page in the UFC at 27. Yeah.

02:20:29.000 Like, good lord.

02:20:30.000 Bro, I'm gonna tell you, I can barely go anywhere without guys asking me for a pitch and stuff around, right?

02:20:36.000 I left the UFC, went to Bellator.

02:20:38.000 Now, for years, I was in Bellator for years, and people come asking me for a pitch, and they're like, man, I wish you hadn't retired.

02:20:45.000 Like, dude, I just fought last week.

02:20:48.000 They have no idea.

02:20:49.000 Felton do not promote fights.

02:20:51.000 They don't fucking do shit.

02:20:53.000 I don't get it.

02:20:54.000 I don't understand.

02:20:54.000 Nobody knows who's watching.

02:20:56.000 It's unfortunate.

02:20:57.000 It's unfortunate.

02:20:58.000 I mean, I get it that fighters will want to go like the PFL, right?

02:21:02.000 If you win that tournament, you make a million dollars.

02:21:04.000 So Olivier Aubame-Mercier, I think he won it twice.

02:21:08.000 So he won two million dollars in the PFL. Nobody watched.

02:21:12.000 Nobody knows who he is.

02:21:14.000 I mean, it's just, I mean, people know, but nothing in comparison to like a Dustin Poirier or someone who wins in the UFC. Bro, I'm going to tell you this.

02:21:22.000 If AJ McKee goes to the UFC, I would bet money.

02:21:26.000 I never bet on fights.

02:21:27.000 I would bet money on him and he'll walk through the whole thing and get the belt easy.

02:21:30.000 Mm-hmm.

02:21:31.000 How old is AJ now?

02:21:32.000 He got to be like 26. How old is he?

02:21:36.000 29. What?

02:21:37.000 Yeah.

02:21:38.000 Damn, I didn't know he's that much older than my son.

02:21:40.000 But still, in his fucking prime.

02:21:41.000 He's in his prime.

02:21:42.000 How much longer is his contract over at Bellator?

02:21:45.000 I don't know.

02:21:45.000 Because now the Bellator sold to PFL. They're not really...

02:21:48.000 They're two different organizations, right?

02:21:50.000 Like one of them, they're going to do overseas as Bellator and the PFL is over here.

02:21:53.000 Yeah, I don't understand that.

02:21:54.000 But I like their belts, though, when you win that thing.

02:21:56.000 Have you seen their belt?

02:21:57.000 The belts look good.

02:21:58.000 With the ring?

02:21:59.000 Six fight multi-year contract, and this is 2023. Yeah.

02:22:04.000 Fuck.

02:22:05.000 I wish he would have went to the UFC, because that kid...

02:22:08.000 Why'd he sign that contract?

02:22:09.000 They must up to him money.

02:22:11.000 I don't want to put his business out there, but his dad said that AJ is really successful, and I think they was paying him monthly on top of everything.

02:22:18.000 They did what they had to do to keep that kid there.

02:22:20.000 Well, that's the thing.

02:22:21.000 If you do have a talented guy that has a potential of being a star, you cannot let him go.

02:22:26.000 Well, Bellator lost Michael Chandler, and look what happened.

02:22:28.000 Michael Chandler became a fucking star.

02:22:30.000 Like, people don't even know.

02:22:31.000 Michael Chandler fought Eddie Alvarez in some of the craziest fights in Bellator.

02:22:37.000 They're both dropping each other.

02:22:39.000 I mean, wild, wild fights.

02:22:42.000 And no one saw them.

02:22:44.000 I mean, some people saw them.

02:22:46.000 I'm exaggerating, obviously.

02:22:47.000 But no one in comparison to who saw him knock out Dan Hooker or when he knocked out Tony Ferguson.

02:22:52.000 So teach me this.

02:22:55.000 So in Bellator, maybe their views, they get like a million views.

02:22:59.000 Do they even?

02:23:00.000 Yeah.

02:23:01.000 I got the numbers.

02:23:02.000 When I was fighting, I got at least like a million, 1.5.

02:23:06.000 Did the UFC do a free fight?

02:23:08.000 How many million views do you think?

02:23:09.000 That's a good question.

02:23:10.000 I don't know the answer to that.

02:23:11.000 So they got to be getting at least 20 million.

02:23:13.000 If they have a free fight like on ESPN +, I don't know how many people, I don't even know how many people are subscribed to ESPN+. Like, let's find that out first.

02:23:22.000 Because you have to watch it on ESPN or ESPN+. So if they have, well they do a lot of those cards where they, like fight nights, well they'll have it on ESPN as well.

02:23:33.000 ESPN, how many people are watching ESPN? Millions.

02:23:37.000 Millions of people so if you have like a big event like a nice fight night like they had that last one That was a fight night the one that they did from Saudi Arabia where Bobby knuckles Robert Whittaker When when he just fought in one that's that's probably millions and millions of people And then you got all the other people that are watching it all around the world,

02:23:59.000 too.

02:23:59.000 Like, it's not just, you know, it's not just America.

02:24:03.000 It's people watching it in Europe, Sky TV. It's like, you know, all the other countries that are watching it.

02:24:10.000 The UFC is just a bigger name product.

02:24:14.000 People don't know what a Bellator is.

02:24:15.000 That's why they sold.

02:24:16.000 I think they were losing money hand over fist.

02:24:18.000 I heard they were losing a lot of money.

02:24:20.000 It's hard to make money if you're not the UFC. Yeah, but they don't know how to promote.

02:24:25.000 PFL must be making money.

02:24:26.000 I don't think they are.

02:24:28.000 I don't know how they could be.

02:24:29.000 If they're paying a million dollars to the tournament winners, how are they doing that?

02:24:34.000 It's one thing because it's a good promotional thing.

02:24:38.000 You tell people how much money they make and you get people like, oh shit, maybe I'll go over there.

02:24:42.000 And you get people thinking they can win the tournament and maybe you can lure more big name guys.

02:24:48.000 But then PFL has that weird point system that nobody understands.

02:24:51.000 Do you know that?

02:24:53.000 PFL? Yeah, it's crazy.

02:24:55.000 If you win by stoppage in the first round, it's three points.

02:24:59.000 If you win the second round, it's two points.

02:25:01.000 Third round, it's one point.

02:25:02.000 It's like points.

02:25:03.000 Bro, I never watched it.

02:25:04.000 The only time I watched it was when they had that Bellator versus PFL. Yeah, it's very weird.

02:25:09.000 Well, that was interesting, too, because you get to see there's levels.

02:25:13.000 Like Johnny Eblen versus Impa Kasagany.

02:25:16.000 That was really good.

02:25:18.000 Impa Kasagany is fucking good.

02:25:20.000 He's the guy that lost to Joaquin Buckley by that crazy head kick.

02:25:24.000 Oh, yeah.

02:25:25.000 That jump-spinning back kick head kick.

02:25:26.000 That's more of a comeback shit.

02:25:27.000 Yeah, he grabs his left leg and Joaquin hops up in the air and hits him with a jump-spinning back kick to the face.

02:25:33.000 After that, he got kicked out of the UFC? Well, he left the UFC and went to PFL. And so he was representing PFL. And Johnny Eblen, who's the PFL middleweight champion, is really fucking good.

02:25:43.000 And he's like one of the guys out there that I looked at and I said, that guy could be like a UFC star.

02:25:49.000 But Impa Kazagane and him had a war.

02:25:51.000 And like Impa won a lot of that fight.

02:25:54.000 It was a good fight.

02:25:56.000 So it's like there's guys out there that are really good fighters.

02:25:59.000 That's my point.

02:26:00.000 And nobody's seeing it.

02:26:01.000 Nobody's watching them.

02:26:03.000 What happened to that guy that did that, that Buckley guy?

02:26:05.000 What happened to him?

02:26:06.000 Oh, he's in welterweight now.

02:26:09.000 He dropped down to welterweight and he's very successful now.

02:26:11.000 He just knocked out Vicente Luque.

02:26:13.000 And who did he just knock out in the first round?

02:26:15.000 He just fucked somebody else up too.

02:26:18.000 He's fucking good, man.

02:26:19.000 And he keeps getting better.

02:26:21.000 Joaquin Buckley just keeps getting better.

02:26:23.000 The thing about him is like, every time you see him fight, That's right.

02:26:27.000 That Ruzibov guy that he fought, that guy's a big dude.

02:26:30.000 He's like 6'3", 6'4", and he fights at 170. And he beat him by unanimous decision.

02:26:37.000 Knocked out Vicente Luque before that.

02:26:41.000 What's that?

02:26:41.000 6'5.

02:26:42.000 Yeah, he's 6'5 at 170. That's nuts!

02:26:45.000 And that guy was very highly touted going into that fight, but Buckley beat him.

02:26:51.000 Buckley at 170 is a real force.

02:26:53.000 He's a real force.

02:26:54.000 He's one of those dudes, he's never gonna stop learning and growing.

02:26:59.000 Every time you see him, it's a better version of Buckley.

02:27:02.000 And his cardio is crazy!

02:27:03.000 What camp is he at, you know?

02:27:05.000 He's got a very small camp in Detroit.

02:27:07.000 It's a very small camp.

02:27:09.000 It's not a big gym.

02:27:10.000 I haven't heard of many fights coming out of Detroit.

02:27:13.000 Yeah, there he is.

02:27:15.000 Murcielago MMA. And it's Detroit, right?

02:27:21.000 Doesn't say?

02:27:23.000 I'm 90% sure that's where he's at.

02:27:28.000 St. Louis?

02:27:29.000 He's from St. Louis?

02:27:33.000 Hmm.

02:27:34.000 Am I wrong?

02:27:35.000 Out of St. Louis.

02:27:36.000 So he trains his...

02:27:37.000 I'm sorry.

02:27:38.000 So shout out to St. Louis.

02:27:39.000 Sorry.

02:27:40.000 I confused you with Detroit.

02:27:41.000 But point is he's like in a small team.

02:27:43.000 It's not a big team.

02:27:44.000 It's not like...

02:27:45.000 It's not an ATT or...

02:27:47.000 And there's some people that think that that's not good either because like I talked to some dudes that went over and trained at ATT and say, hey man, like you got these dudes coming in from Russia and Dagestan and like you're in wars every day.

02:28:00.000 You're not incorrect.

02:28:01.000 That is in Michigan.

02:28:02.000 Looking up their page, it says Top MMA. So you was wrong?

02:28:06.000 The internet was wrong.

02:28:08.000 The internet fucked up.

02:28:09.000 Jamie's never wrong.

02:28:10.000 He's never wrong.

02:28:12.000 This isn't stuff I know.

02:28:13.000 Okay, so they're in Michigan.

02:28:15.000 Lansing, that's it.

02:28:16.000 Lansing, Michigan.

02:28:17.000 Let me tell you something.

02:28:18.000 Joaquin Buckley, he's a real force at 170. I think he could be a champion.

02:28:23.000 He's just got to keep growing the way he's growing.

02:28:26.000 But it's like you see these guys when they're on the come up.

02:28:28.000 It's like...

02:28:30.000 There's so much potential, you never know.

02:28:31.000 And some guys, they have so much potential, and then it just never comes to fruition.

02:28:35.000 You can speak to this.

02:28:37.000 That's probably the hardest thing is realizing your potential.

02:28:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:28:41.000 Because you don't know until you get out there, right?

02:28:44.000 And you got to put it to test.

02:28:47.000 And you go out there and some people, you know, you can be really good, right?

02:28:52.000 And you can have like two bad days in the office, right?

02:28:55.000 Lose two fights in a row, then your career's over.

02:28:57.000 Look at Max Holloway, right?

02:28:59.000 People were writing him off.

02:29:01.000 People thought before he fought Justin Gaethje that it was over.

02:29:06.000 Yeah.

02:29:06.000 And he's only 32. Yeah, you gotta reinvent yourself.

02:29:09.000 You can't listen to all that noise.

02:29:11.000 Put your head down.

02:29:12.000 I lost two fights in a row one time in my career.

02:29:14.000 And I was like, what the fuck is wrong with me?

02:29:17.000 But you gotta put your head down and come back and train.

02:29:20.000 Because normally, at the beginning of my career, I lost to Marvin Eastman in my first professional fight.

02:29:24.000 Then I went on a long run.

02:29:25.000 I didn't lose again until Sakuraba.

02:29:27.000 Then I lost soccer, and I went on a long run, and I didn't lose again until whoever.

02:29:32.000 Maybe it was Vanderlei.

02:29:33.000 I can't remember who beat me after that.

02:29:35.000 But then you lose two fights in a row, and then you start doubting yourself.

02:29:40.000 Like, what's wrong with me?

02:29:41.000 What's wrong with me?

02:29:42.000 Do I suck now?

02:29:43.000 Is it over?

02:29:44.000 And then you got to have a strong mind.

02:29:45.000 You got to come out of that.

02:29:47.000 Did you learn how to have a strong mind, or is it just something that you...

02:29:50.000 Did you read books?

02:29:51.000 Did you talk to someone?

02:29:52.000 Like, how did you develop having such a strong mind?

02:29:54.000 Do I look like I read books?

02:29:57.000 Do I sound like I read books?

02:29:59.000 I read one.

02:30:00.000 Well, I can read the Bible, but I read two books in my whole motherfucking life.

02:30:03.000 What's the other one?

02:30:04.000 Christine.

02:30:05.000 Oh, the Stephen King book?

02:30:06.000 That's a good book.

02:30:07.000 Yeah, I was in jail.

02:30:08.000 I had a bunch of free time on my hands.

02:30:10.000 I went to jail in college.

02:30:13.000 What'd you go to jail for?

02:30:14.000 One of my teammates was a fucking asshole, and he hit me in the mouth with the payphone receiver.

02:30:20.000 I got this scar on my lip, wherever side it is.

02:30:22.000 Motherfucker hit me in the mouth, and I tried to kill him.

02:30:26.000 And he went to the hospital, and I went to jail.

02:30:28.000 It was self-defense.

02:30:29.000 But the problem was, what fucked me up is that I went back and stumped him some more, and I think there was no longer self-defense once you did that, and I didn't know.

02:30:38.000 Alright.

02:30:39.000 You were just in the moment.

02:30:40.000 I was in the moment.

02:30:41.000 I was in the moment.

02:30:42.000 Tim Percy, the one, you saw that name up there, that got caught.

02:30:45.000 Methamphetamine?

02:30:45.000 He was my roommate.

02:30:46.000 He the one that pulled me off the motherfucker.

02:30:47.000 Oh, wow.

02:30:48.000 And I wish he would've just kept me in that fucking room.

02:30:50.000 Maybe I wouldn't have to...

02:30:51.000 But you know what?

02:30:53.000 Going to jail at that time, that changed my life.

02:30:55.000 Because, remember, I got a real bad temper.

02:30:57.000 And that taught me how to control my temper.

02:31:00.000 Going to jail.

02:31:01.000 Because I hated jail.

02:31:02.000 I was there for like 47 days up in Susanville.

02:31:06.000 That changed my fucking life.

02:31:07.000 I'm like...

02:31:08.000 I don't see how anybody can go to jail or prison and fuck up and go back to that motherfucker.

02:31:12.000 I think you had a life already, and some people don't.

02:31:17.000 And I think they get to jail, and then in jail you know where you're going to eat, you know where you're going to sleep, you know who you're hanging out with, and then you get out in the real world, and you have no skills, and nobody wants to deal with you because you're a felon, and then you're just lost, and you say,

02:31:32.000 I'd rather be inside.

02:31:33.000 Yeah, it is kind of like a...

02:31:35.000 It's like you're in a fucking circle motion where, you know, you got this rap sheet and you can't get a job.

02:31:40.000 I can understand that.

02:31:41.000 People get institutionalized, too.

02:31:43.000 They get accustomed to a schedule.

02:31:46.000 I'd rather be out on the street just doing odd jobs.

02:31:49.000 You know, when I was growing up, before I started wrestling, I was heading for prison.

02:31:57.000 I tell this to my boys, the thing that changed my life.

02:32:00.000 My mom got remarried, and her husband had this best friend.

02:32:06.000 His name was Jerome Jackson.

02:32:07.000 He got the same last name as me, because when I used to get suspended for school, he used to go and put me back in school like he was my dad.

02:32:13.000 I love this guy.

02:32:14.000 He was a musician.

02:32:15.000 And he told me one day, he said, God told me to tell you something.

02:32:21.000 I'm from the Bible Belt, but I believe in God and stuff like that, but I didn't know.

02:32:26.000 I was like, what?

02:32:27.000 God told you to tell me something?

02:32:28.000 I'm like, yeah, man.

02:32:30.000 He put on my mind to tell you something, and I'm going to tell you.

02:32:33.000 He said, don't judge me.

02:32:34.000 I got to tell you.

02:32:35.000 He said, the way you're going and the shit you're doing, you know you're heading straight for prison.

02:32:40.000 You know, I don't know if you know this about me, but, you know, I was selling drugs at eight years old.

02:32:44.000 I was just a product of my environment.

02:32:45.000 Some guys that live across the street from me were a lot older.

02:32:48.000 They liked me.

02:32:48.000 They taught me how to fight.

02:32:50.000 I was drinking and smoking weed at eight.

02:32:52.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:32:52.000 Fucking bitches.

02:32:53.000 I thought I was grown.

02:32:54.000 And they was really smart.

02:32:55.000 Eight years old?

02:32:56.000 You were fucking?

02:32:56.000 Oh, fuck yeah.

02:32:57.000 Wow.

02:32:58.000 Yeah.

02:32:58.000 My first time fucking, I was five.

02:33:00.000 Whoa!

02:33:01.000 Yeah, I just grew up too fast.

02:33:02.000 That's why I'm a big kid now.

02:33:03.000 That's crazy.

02:33:04.000 Yeah, true story, man.

02:33:05.000 I haven't lied to you yet.

02:33:06.000 Wow.

02:33:07.000 And the guy was really smart.

02:33:08.000 He put the drugs and the guns and stuff on me because I was a kid.

02:33:12.000 And he was like, the police are not going to look at you.

02:33:15.000 And if they do take you to juvenile, your mama can just get you out.

02:33:17.000 But if I go to jail, you'll be fucked up.

02:33:19.000 You know, I grew up kind of poor and I was a middle child.

02:33:21.000 My mom really, she really wasn't studying me, really.

02:33:24.000 And so this guy fed me.

02:33:26.000 And, you know, he gave me money and clothes and stuff, shit I needed.

02:33:29.000 So I didn't want him to go to jail.

02:33:31.000 So I did it for him.

02:33:32.000 And then after a while, he taught me how to Sell drugs.

02:33:34.000 So that's the environment I was in, and that's how I live, right?

02:33:37.000 And my mom's husband, my stepdad's best friend, he knew it.

02:33:42.000 My mom didn't know I was selling drugs.

02:33:43.000 I was really slick.

02:33:44.000 But he could tell I was living that street life.

02:33:46.000 He said, you know what they do to young men in prison?

02:33:49.000 I'm like, what, no, they fight them?

02:33:51.000 He said, no, they rape them.

02:33:53.000 They fuck them.

02:33:54.000 I'm like, well, ain't nobody fucking me.

02:33:55.000 I can fight.

02:33:56.000 He said, look, I seen you fight.

02:33:57.000 I know you can fight.

02:33:58.000 Now, at this time, I'm like 15 years old, he telling me this.

02:34:02.000 He said, I seen you fight, but I don't think you can fight five motherfuckers.

02:34:06.000 And I thought about it.

02:34:08.000 I was like, damn, you know, I used to get jumped a lot, but five motherfuckers in prison, five grown men, I was like, wow.

02:34:14.000 I said, really?

02:34:15.000 He said, yeah, man.

02:34:16.000 They raped kids.

02:34:17.000 I said, this is what God want me to tell you.

02:34:18.000 I don't think nobody told you.

02:34:20.000 I don't think you know.

02:34:21.000 So whatever you're doing, you want to get off that path.

02:34:25.000 And I was thinking, a lot of my friends was coming up dead, and they was going to prison, and they was getting hooked on drugs.

02:34:30.000 So I was like, wow.

02:34:32.000 That conversation right there changed my life.

02:34:35.000 And we moved to a different side of Memphis.

02:34:37.000 And then I started wrestling.

02:34:38.000 And nobody knew anything about me.

02:34:40.000 That I used to smoke weed.

02:34:41.000 They didn't know anything.

02:34:42.000 I just changed my whole life from that one conversation.

02:34:44.000 So that's why.

02:34:45.000 Then I found it.

02:34:46.000 I had been a juvenile before.

02:34:47.000 I got caught driving.

02:34:49.000 Like I said, I used to sell cracks.

02:34:50.000 So I gave this junkie.

02:34:51.000 He had an IROC. So I gave him some cracks.

02:34:54.000 I'm like 14 years old.

02:34:55.000 You had an IROC? Yeah, for a couple days.

02:34:58.000 I gave him some crack for his car and I was driving that motherfucker and then the police saw me.

02:35:03.000 I took this one lady.

02:35:04.000 She wanted to go to these projects.

02:35:06.000 I didn't know what she was doing.

02:35:07.000 But, you know, you know what she was doing.

02:35:09.000 She had me take her over there and the police saw me.

02:35:11.000 I guess it was a hot spot.

02:35:13.000 I didn't know.

02:35:13.000 And I'm waiting in the car and it's like 8 o'clock in the morning and the police come up to me like, what the fuck?

02:35:19.000 A little kid driving this car.

02:35:20.000 He said, don't your ass fuck me in school.

02:35:25.000 I couldn't lie my way out of it.

02:35:28.000 Fuck, I went to June 9th and my mom came and got me out.

02:35:30.000 My mom, what the fuck are you doing?

02:35:31.000 I said, shit, my friend and me borrowed a car.

02:35:33.000 My mom had no idea I was selling drugs.

02:35:34.000 Wow.

02:35:35.000 I kept lying to her.

02:35:36.000 She didn't know.

02:35:37.000 And then, that was just June.

02:35:39.000 That's just like one, getting out.

02:35:40.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:35:41.000 Then I got in some trouble one time.

02:35:42.000 It was...

02:35:46.000 Wow.

02:36:04.000 I didn't want to lose my temper because I didn't know if I was going to punch Rashard or anybody that came up to me.

02:36:10.000 I didn't know.

02:36:10.000 I just wanted to get out of there.

02:36:12.000 I was like, fuck this shit.

02:36:14.000 I'm glad that shit happened to me in college.

02:36:15.000 It changed my fucking life.

02:36:17.000 I can control myself now.

02:36:19.000 As long as nobody don't punch me out of violence or nothing like that, I think I can control it.

02:36:24.000 Everything else, I just think about going back to prison.

02:36:28.000 Fuck that.

02:36:29.000 Well, you've been able to control your mind in so many fights, you know, that alone.

02:36:33.000 I mean, how many people get tested like that?

02:36:36.000 Fights don't bother me, but sparring is where I have to control myself.

02:36:40.000 Really?

02:36:40.000 Yeah, fights don't bother me.

02:36:42.000 Sparring is where I lose my temper a little bit, but I'm scared because I feel like I'm going to go hog wild and lose my cardio.

02:36:52.000 That's the only reason why I try to control it in fighting and in sparring.

02:36:56.000 Oh, the worst is losing your temper when you're sparring.

02:36:59.000 Yeah, that's why I lose it.

02:37:00.000 Because you get tired quick.

02:37:02.000 Bro, I sparred Luke Rockhold.

02:37:07.000 I hadn't sparred in a long time.

02:37:09.000 He's a Southpaw.

02:37:10.000 He's tall.

02:37:11.000 His stand-up is fucking good.

02:37:12.000 I thought I was going to be fighting Shannon, so I said, let me start sparring.

02:37:17.000 And he kicked the shit out of me!

02:37:20.000 I'm like, he didn't even fucking let up.

02:37:21.000 It's like it was fucking field day for his ass.

02:37:24.000 I was so fucking mad.

02:37:25.000 I tried to knock him the fuck out.

02:37:26.000 And I was so rusted and sparred in years.

02:37:30.000 My old ass in there with him.

02:37:32.000 I hate southpaws.

02:37:34.000 And he kicked the shit out of me.

02:37:35.000 I was like, oh, all right.

02:37:37.000 And then next day I started running because my cardio was bad.

02:37:40.000 Everything was bad.

02:37:40.000 I started running.

02:37:41.000 I was waiting to spar his ass back.

02:37:42.000 I said, I'm going to knock this motherfucker out.

02:37:44.000 So right now, are you training at all?

02:37:46.000 Are you training?

02:37:47.000 Yeah, I'm training.

02:37:48.000 I've been sparring and moving around.

02:37:50.000 I just did my first Japanese pro wrestling match with Josh Barnett Bloodsport.

02:37:54.000 Yeah, I saw that.

02:37:55.000 Yeah, so I started training MMA with my son.

02:37:57.000 I didn't have anybody to train with because my time is fucking crazy because I got a podcast now because of your ass.

02:38:03.000 You got everybody doing fucking podcasts.

02:38:05.000 Crazy, huh?

02:38:06.000 It's crazy, man.

02:38:07.000 Everybody and their mama got a fucking podcast because of your motherfucking ass.

02:38:11.000 That shit is so time consuming.

02:38:13.000 It takes up time, but it's a great way to be your own boss.

02:38:17.000 Yeah.

02:38:17.000 That's the best thing.

02:38:18.000 And you're a funny guy.

02:38:20.000 Your Jackson podcast, that's a great podcast.

02:38:22.000 It's fun.

02:38:23.000 I watch it all the time.

02:38:24.000 For real?

02:38:24.000 I watch it a bunch of times.

02:38:25.000 Oh, thanks, man.

02:38:25.000 Yeah, you have great clips, too.

02:38:27.000 Because it's good, man.

02:38:29.000 It's a good thing for you to do, because you could do that forever.

02:38:31.000 People were asking me to do it for years, and I was like, man...

02:38:34.000 I don't have the drive to do that shit myself, but my friend Barrett, he got everything set up, and he does everything, and I just come and sit down, and people start liking it.

02:38:46.000 I say, okay, so I guess I'm doing a podcast now.

02:38:47.000 That's all you have to do.

02:38:49.000 Someone has to set it up for you.

02:38:50.000 If someone's got a good personality, they should totally do it.

02:38:53.000 Because it's a way that you can make a living.

02:38:55.000 You don't have to get hit.

02:38:56.000 You don't have to be in shape.

02:38:57.000 You don't have to do anything.

02:38:58.000 Just show up and talk about shit.

02:39:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:39:02.000 But how long is shit gonna last?

02:39:03.000 Because I felt like it was watered down.

02:39:05.000 I feel like everybody got a podcast now.

02:39:07.000 If you're good.

02:39:08.000 Yeah, everybody has a podcast.

02:39:09.000 There's 5 million of them.

02:39:10.000 5 million.

02:39:11.000 5 million podcasts.

02:39:13.000 How long ago you started?

02:39:14.000 15 years ago.

02:39:15.000 Oh, god damn.

02:39:16.000 Yeah.

02:39:18.000 Yeah.

02:39:18.000 Started in the beginning.

02:39:19.000 There wasn't that many back then.

02:39:21.000 There was only a few.

02:39:22.000 What made you start your podcast?

02:39:23.000 I always wanted a radio show.

02:39:25.000 But nobody was ever going to give me a radio show.

02:39:28.000 So I would do radio shows.

02:39:29.000 And I'd be like, man, this is fun.

02:39:31.000 It's fun to just sit around with friends and talk shit.

02:39:33.000 And then when I started doing Opie and Anthony.

02:39:36.000 Opie and Anthony was a show on Sirius XM. And when I first did it, they were on the regular radio.

02:39:42.000 And then they went to Sirius and Sirius XM. And you could...

02:39:45.000 Maybe I didn't do it when they were on the regular radio.

02:39:47.000 But the point was, you could swear when they were on Sirius.

02:39:51.000 I would be on with four or five other comedians.

02:39:54.000 We would have a ball.

02:39:55.000 It was so fun.

02:39:57.000 It was the only show I would look forward to getting up for.

02:39:59.000 I'd get up early in the morning, smoke a joint, get a cup of coffee, go in that room, and everybody would just talk shit.

02:40:06.000 We had so much fun.

02:40:08.000 I was like, damn, I wish I had a radio show.

02:40:10.000 But no one would hire me for a radio show.

02:40:13.000 And so I thought about it.

02:40:15.000 I was like, nah, I'll fuck it up anyway.

02:40:16.000 I talk about too many crazy things.

02:40:18.000 It's like, I need to just do something on the internet.

02:40:20.000 Even if no one's going to listen, I was like, at least it'd be fun.

02:40:23.000 In the beginning, you know...

02:40:26.000 We got a thousand people watch it.

02:40:28.000 That was a lot.

02:40:29.000 Nobody was watching it.

02:40:30.000 But I thought it was fun.

02:40:31.000 So I just kept doing it.

02:40:33.000 And then it just kept growing.

02:40:35.000 I didn't promote it.

02:40:36.000 I didn't take out ads.

02:40:39.000 I didn't make videos.

02:40:40.000 Please watch my podcast.

02:40:41.000 I didn't go on other podcasts and tell people to watch my podcast.

02:40:44.000 I just kept doing it.

02:40:45.000 Just kept doing it.

02:40:48.000 Just work ethic.

02:40:49.000 And then eventually started making money.

02:40:51.000 Bro, during COVID, I heard people complaining that your podcast was more listened to than the news and people was hating on you when you were talking about ivermectin and stuff.

02:41:03.000 Oh my God.

02:41:03.000 Well, they were threatened.

02:41:05.000 Well, that was also, they were being paid off by the medical establishment.

02:41:08.000 They were being paid off.

02:41:09.000 They were being paid to promote this one thing, and that was the vaccine.

02:41:13.000 And anybody that said anything other than the vaccine, I mean, CNN did me so dirty.

02:41:17.000 They changed the color of my skin to make me look yellow and sick.

02:41:23.000 They kept saying I was taking horse de-wear.

02:41:25.000 I got prescribed medicine by a doctor.

02:41:28.000 Not only that, it was only one of the things that I took.

02:41:30.000 I took a bunch of things.

02:41:31.000 But they did not want this video of me saying I got better in three days.

02:41:36.000 So it's a video of me.

02:41:37.000 You see the real video.

02:41:38.000 I look fine.

02:41:39.000 I was fine.

02:41:40.000 I wasn't lying.

02:41:41.000 I wouldn't lie.

02:41:42.000 And I had to cancel these shows because I was doing shows with Chappelle that weekend.

02:41:46.000 We were supposed to be doing this arena, and I had to say, I'm sorry, we're going to reschedule it, but I got COVID. That's the only reason why I made that video.

02:41:53.000 If I didn't have shows that I had to cancel, I would have never made that video.

02:41:58.000 I only made that video because I had to cancel the shows.

02:42:02.000 So I said, I feel great.

02:42:03.000 It was three days ago.

02:42:04.000 We threw the kitchen sink at it.

02:42:06.000 I said, all these drugs I took, IV multivitamins, monoclonal antibodies, I said all this stuff that I took, Z-Pak, But they locked in on this horse dewormer trying to make me like a fool.

02:42:17.000 But what they didn't know back then, because people didn't...

02:42:20.000 I didn't talk about it.

02:42:21.000 Bro, they knew.

02:42:22.000 But they didn't know how big the podcast was.

02:42:24.000 Oh, no, no, no, no.

02:42:25.000 They didn't know how big that...

02:42:26.000 That's the problem.

02:42:27.000 But they knew the drug worked, though.

02:42:28.000 Right.

02:42:28.000 They did know the drug worked.

02:42:29.000 And it did work.

02:42:30.000 And it worked for a lot of people that didn't take all the other stuff that I took.

02:42:34.000 I was better quick.

02:42:35.000 Six days after that, I did 10 rounds on the bag.

02:42:39.000 I worked out five days after I got sick, and I'm like, I feel pretty good.

02:42:42.000 Next day, I'm going to push it.

02:42:43.000 And then the next day, I said, all right, there's one way to find out how good I feel.

02:42:47.000 Set the timer up.

02:42:48.000 Let's do some rounds.

02:42:49.000 And I did...

02:42:51.000 10 solid rounds on the back.

02:42:53.000 At the end, I was like, I feel 100%.

02:42:55.000 I feel totally normal.

02:42:56.000 I swear by it.

02:42:57.000 When you talked about it, I knew you was right because I had learned about it a while ago, a little bit before when COVID first started happening because I got this friend.

02:43:05.000 She used to box with Floyd Mayweather's dad.

02:43:09.000 Her name is Miss Knockout.

02:43:10.000 She got this assistant from some South American country.

02:43:13.000 And they had symptoms like COVID years ago, like maybe 15, 20 years ago, and they took ivermectin.

02:43:19.000 And so she told me about it.

02:43:21.000 She said, if you get COVID, let me know.

02:43:23.000 I'm going to get you some ivermectin.

02:43:24.000 I had never heard of it.

02:43:25.000 She said, my assistant had COVID, and she got rid of it in six days to give a negative test.

02:43:33.000 I said, okay, I keep it on my radar.

02:43:35.000 And my son caught COVID. I never caught COVID, but my son caught COVID, and I got the medicine.

02:43:40.000 And I gave it to them.

02:43:42.000 They could have saved a lot of lives.

02:43:43.000 Yeah.

02:43:44.000 And they still to this day ridicule it.

02:43:46.000 Still to this day, people ridicule it.

02:43:47.000 But meanwhile, doctors prescribed it.

02:43:49.000 And one of the reasons why they prescribed it is because there's a reason.

02:43:53.000 There's a medical reason.

02:43:54.000 It stops viral replication in vitro.

02:43:58.000 That means in cell cultures, when you put ivermectin in with the virus, it stops the virus from replicating.

02:44:03.000 So it just makes sense that it would stop it in the human body too.

02:44:05.000 It stops yellow fever and dengue.

02:44:07.000 They've used it for river blindness.

02:44:09.000 They've used it for a bunch of different diseases.

02:44:12.000 It's also very healthy.

02:44:13.000 It's not a dangerous drug.

02:44:15.000 It's just one of the safest drug profiles of any drug.

02:44:17.000 It's not a dangerous thing to take.

02:44:19.000 But do you think your body gets used to it?

02:44:20.000 Because I take it for colds because I hate colds.

02:44:22.000 I don't think it's something that you get used to, no.

02:44:24.000 Because I remember when I first started taking it, because I stocked up on it in case I got COVID, and I got like a little runny nose and a cold, and I took it away right away, right?

02:44:35.000 And then the next couple of times it took it away, then like the fourth time I got a cold, it didn't...

02:44:40.000 They tried to...

02:44:42.000 Well, it could have been just a different cold or different intensity of the cold.

02:44:46.000 But they tried to ban a lot of other things secretly that also help people.

02:44:52.000 One of the things was thymosin.

02:44:54.000 Thymosin is a peptide.

02:44:56.000 It's a safe peptide.

02:44:57.000 There's no history of negative side effects.

02:45:01.000 And they tried to ban it because people were using thymosin to get over COVID. They tried to do everything they could to make people take the vaccine because that's what was profitable.

02:45:10.000 Yeah.

02:45:10.000 Everything.

02:45:11.000 They tried to stop people from taking monoclonal antibodies, which also helped heal you, but they didn't want any alternatives.

02:45:18.000 So when they started attacking me, they were only attacking me because people could say, oh, Joe Rogan got better.

02:45:24.000 Oh, he's healthy and he works out.

02:45:26.000 I don't need that fucking vaccine.

02:45:27.000 If that 55-year-old man took it and he's fine.

02:45:32.000 Quick.

02:45:32.000 Yeah.

02:45:33.000 And they didn't.

02:45:34.000 Like, they exaggerated how many people died.

02:45:37.000 The whole thing was fucked, man.

02:45:38.000 The whole thing was fucked.

02:45:39.000 They treated us like we were a bunch of sheep.

02:45:42.000 And a lot of people acted like they're a bunch of sheep.

02:45:44.000 Yeah.

02:45:44.000 A lot of people, you know, and they didn't have any alternative news sources other than podcasts.

02:45:50.000 And so then they were just ridiculed.

02:45:51.000 Why are people listening to podcasts and they should be listening to doctors?

02:45:54.000 Well, because we don't lie.

02:45:56.000 That's why.

02:45:57.000 Right.

02:45:57.000 I might be wrong.

02:45:58.000 I might be wrong about things.

02:46:00.000 I'll be wrong about things, I'm sure.

02:46:01.000 But I don't fucking lie.

02:46:02.000 Right.

02:46:03.000 I'm not a liar.

02:46:03.000 They're liars.

02:46:05.000 They're liars and they're on TV. The TV is filled with liars.

02:46:08.000 I don't even watch the news no motherfucking more.

02:46:10.000 Yeah.

02:46:10.000 I don't trust that shit.

02:46:11.000 You shouldn't trust that shit.

02:46:12.000 I mean, I don't trust mainstream news anymore.

02:46:15.000 If they're telling you something, someone's telling them to tell you something.

02:46:17.000 Some of the things might be true, but the reasons for those things being true, they're probably not telling you the truth.

02:46:22.000 I'm going to tell you, COVID and all this stuff that happened, it woke me up to a lot of things where just not trust the government and stuff and everything, and I'm going to be 100 right now.

02:46:32.000 The main reason why I decided not to take the vaccine is because I saw the interview with Bill and Melinda Gates.

02:46:40.000 Really?

02:46:41.000 That interview, them saying that they gotta give it to blacks and Latinos first, I was like, oh, fuck that, I'm not taking that.

02:46:47.000 They never wanna give our black ass shit first.

02:46:48.000 Fuck that.

02:46:50.000 That's why I didn't take it.

02:46:52.000 I didn't take this shit.

02:46:53.000 Look at the history of them giving vaccines to people in Africa.

02:46:57.000 There's some horror stories.

02:46:58.000 They gave vaccines to people in Africa where they told these people that it was the DTP vaccine, but it had HCG in it, which is something that stops women from being fertile.

02:47:14.000 And they gave it to him on a schedule that didn't make sense.

02:47:16.000 So people started investigating.

02:47:17.000 They found that they were putting enough HCG in it to make sure these women didn't have kids.

02:47:22.000 They basically vaccinated them against being pregnant.

02:47:26.000 And who knows what the fuck that's doing to their bodies.

02:47:28.000 Yeah, it's fucked up.

02:47:29.000 And they didn't tell them they were doing it.

02:47:31.000 That's fucked up, bro.

02:47:32.000 Bro, there's a lot of sketchy stuff.

02:47:34.000 So I see Fauci is getting in trouble, but how come nobody's saying anything about Bill Gates?

02:47:38.000 And why would we listen to him about medicine anyway, a computer guy?

02:47:41.000 About anything health.

02:47:42.000 He's fat.

02:47:43.000 He's got a big pot belly.

02:47:44.000 But he's a computer guy.

02:47:45.000 Not only that, he's got no medical degree.

02:47:48.000 I mean, I don't even think he has a college degree.

02:47:50.000 And he looks like shit.

02:47:51.000 Like, why are you taking health advice from a guy that looks like shit?

02:47:54.000 Just because he invested a bunch of money in the company?

02:47:56.000 I couldn't figure that out.

02:47:57.000 Why is he even on television talking about it?

02:47:58.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:47:59.000 I couldn't figure that shit out for the life of me.

02:48:01.000 Money.

02:48:02.000 It's all money.

02:48:03.000 He made a lot of money off those vaccines, by the way.

02:48:06.000 He made a lot of money, and he dumped all his stock, and then he started talking shit about the vaccine.

02:48:11.000 Oh, he's talking shit about the vaccine?

02:48:12.000 Yeah, he talked about it afterwards.

02:48:13.000 It wasn't as effective as we'd hoped.

02:48:14.000 It didn't stop transmission.

02:48:16.000 Like, oh, oh, now you tell us.

02:48:20.000 The crazy thing was that people that was taking the vaccine, they was the super spreaders.

02:48:26.000 Well, what happens is, unfortunately, there's different strains of the vaccine.

02:48:32.000 And one of the things that virologists will say is you never vaccinate during a pandemic.

02:48:40.000 The reason they say, and again, I'm not an expert, but the reason they say is when you vaccinate during a pandemic, it encourages variants.

02:48:49.000 Because what happens is, when you have a vaccine, it targets a very specific strain of the virus.

02:48:54.000 So then new strains come around that evade the vaccine's immunity.

02:48:59.000 And so then you have all these new strains.

02:49:01.000 Over time, it makes the virus weaker.

02:49:04.000 So the new viruses get weaker and weaker, so they get more infectious.

02:49:08.000 So they can infect you, but it doesn't kill you, so you can spread it to more people.

02:49:11.000 That's how viruses survive.

02:49:13.000 They're sneaky little clever motherfuckers, these viruses.

02:49:16.000 But when they do that, I mean, this is what veterinarians were saying, all these different virologists were saying.

02:49:21.000 But they silenced all those people.

02:49:23.000 That was the craziest thing that happened, is they silenced legitimate experts.

02:49:28.000 They banned them from being on social media.

02:49:31.000 They banned them from talking about it on YouTube.

02:49:34.000 People from Harvard, Stanford, were like legitimate doctors who had a differing opinion about how things were handled.

02:49:41.000 And they were silenced and treated like fools.

02:49:44.000 It's evil.

02:49:44.000 They pay all that money for their education and then when it's time to use it and help a lot of people.

02:49:49.000 Not only that, science is always supposed to be questioned.

02:49:54.000 Science is all about a bunch of different experts giving peer review on a subject, right?

02:49:59.000 But they're not supposed to be biased and bought and paid for.

02:50:02.000 But that's the problem with today.

02:50:04.000 Whenever there's so much money involved in one thing, like a vaccine or any kind of medicine, you get a bunch of people that are willing to bullshit in order to sell that medicine.

02:50:13.000 And so when someone doesn't want to do that and they have a different opinion, it doesn't go with the narrative, they just make that person out to be a crazy.

02:50:19.000 That's a crackpot.

02:50:20.000 They're nuts.

02:50:21.000 Meanwhile, these are like legitimate PhDs, like legitimate scientists, well-respected up until that moment in their field.

02:50:28.000 But you know what?

02:50:28.000 I ask myself sometimes, like, what if I was in that situation?

02:50:32.000 Would I sell out?

02:50:34.000 I always say that about UFOs.

02:50:36.000 Like, I would lie.

02:50:37.000 Show me the UFOs.

02:50:38.000 I won't tell nobody.

02:50:41.000 I'll say, oh, it's all bullshit.

02:50:42.000 I will lie.

02:50:43.000 I'll lie.

02:50:44.000 Show me.

02:50:45.000 Show me.

02:50:45.000 I'll sell out for that.

02:50:46.000 I'll sell out for aliens.

02:50:47.000 You really believe in that, huh?

02:50:48.000 No.

02:50:49.000 You got all these aliens?

02:50:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:50:51.000 I know, but I don't.

02:50:52.000 Why?

02:50:52.000 I do kind of.

02:50:54.000 This is what I think.

02:50:55.000 I think if there's alien life out there, I think if you look at just the immense size of the universe, there's hundreds of billions of galaxies, and each galaxy has hundreds of billions of solar systems.

02:51:10.000 The odds of there not being other life out there is almost zero.

02:51:16.000 I think it is zero.

02:51:17.000 I think for sure there's other life out there.

02:51:20.000 And if there was other life out there, if they found out about us, these crazy territorial apes that have nuclear weapons and they have cell phones and they're taking pictures of their dicks and they're fucking sending videos across the world, they're stealing resources and pulling oil out and killing all the fish,

02:51:37.000 I'd be like, these fucking things are nuts!

02:51:39.000 This species on Earth.

02:51:42.000 The dominant species is completely insane.

02:51:44.000 They lie on the news.

02:51:46.000 They pretend they're monogamous, and they're not.

02:51:49.000 They're doing drugs.

02:51:50.000 Everyone's saying, just say no to drugs while they're on drugs.

02:51:53.000 I mean, it's a crazy species.

02:51:55.000 They elect officials.

02:51:57.000 The officials get paid off by everybody, and they're all lying about this.

02:51:59.000 They're getting people into wars.

02:52:01.000 They're getting people into pandemics because they're doing research on viruses, and the viruses accidentally get out, and they go, nope, that was just a wild virus.

02:52:10.000 They knew it wasn't.

02:52:11.000 They're just liars.

02:52:12.000 If I was an alien, I would be studying us like crazy.

02:52:15.000 I would visit.

02:52:15.000 And I think they probably have visited.

02:52:18.000 But I also don't believe the government.

02:52:20.000 So when the government says they have off-world vehicles that are not from this earth, I'm like, Oh, you guys got a drone that you don't want anybody to know about.

02:52:28.000 I think that's a lot of it.

02:52:30.000 But I'm going to tell you this, brother.

02:52:31.000 I'm going to tell you this.

02:52:32.000 Your boy Eddie Bravo, he knows some shit, but he just sounds crazy when he says it.

02:52:36.000 Oh, he knows a lot.

02:52:37.000 He knows a lot of shit.

02:52:38.000 Eddie knows a lot.

02:52:39.000 He's definitely wrong about some things.

02:52:41.000 He's wrong about...

02:52:42.000 Come on, we all are.

02:52:42.000 But I'm going to tell you, when I watch him and I watch him explain stuff...

02:52:46.000 He goes deep.

02:52:47.000 He goes deep, and it's just how he explains it.

02:52:50.000 He knows a lot about conspiracies that are absolutely legit.

02:52:54.000 He educates me on some, and where I start reading about, I'm like, oh shit, he's right.

02:52:58.000 You know, and you find out some things about the government, and things about what they've done before, Operation Paperclip, they brought on all the Nazis to start NASA. You're like, what?

02:53:07.000 NASA was started by Nazis?

02:53:08.000 Yeah.

02:53:09.000 And then you realize that you're like, what?

02:53:10.000 And then the Kennedy assassination.

02:53:13.000 There's so many conspiracies that turn out to be real.

02:53:16.000 Look at the coincidences.

02:53:17.000 It's too many.

02:53:18.000 And so I think there are extraterrestrials, but I don't think they're from outer space.

02:53:23.000 That's possible, too.

02:53:24.000 They come from the water.

02:53:25.000 That's possible.

02:53:26.000 Because they come from the other side of the ice wall.

02:53:28.000 Oh, you're gonna get into that.

02:53:29.000 No, I'm not.

02:53:30.000 I'm not.

02:53:31.000 He's right about that part.

02:53:32.000 I don't think he's right about that.

02:53:34.000 I think that there's too much evidence that it's not true.

02:53:37.000 Also, it's like the way planets are formed.

02:53:39.000 We know how planets are formed.

02:53:40.000 There's a reason why they're all circular.

02:53:42.000 It's like all the mass coalesces in the center and the gravity and the way things spin, it all forms balls.

02:53:49.000 But the idea that we know what the fuck is going on in the ocean is ridiculous.

02:53:53.000 We don't know what's going on in 90% of the ocean.

02:53:57.000 And the water surface is three-quarters of the Earth.

02:54:00.000 So three-quarters of the Earth, we don't know 90% about it.

02:54:04.000 And there's a lot of people that see things coming out of the water and going into the water.

02:54:09.000 Also, if I was from another planet and I wanted to come here and make a base, I'd just do it in the water.

02:54:14.000 They can't see shit.

02:54:15.000 If they have the kind of capability that allows them to come here from other galaxies, they could easily make a base under the water.

02:54:22.000 Yeah, that's probably what the Bermuda Triangle is.

02:54:24.000 We don't fucking know.

02:54:25.000 Well, they think the Bermuda Triangle is methane getting released under the floor of the ocean.

02:54:32.000 And what it does is when it comes up, it kills all the buoyancy.

02:54:37.000 It makes boats sink.

02:54:39.000 No, no, they know where it is.

02:54:42.000 That sounds like when I watch The Men in Black and right when they hit you with that thing.

02:54:46.000 They hit you with that thing?

02:54:47.000 It sounds like that's the excuse they tell you.

02:54:49.000 Oh, right, right, right.

02:54:51.000 It could be there's something under the water that's sinking boats.

02:54:53.000 I don't think it is, though.

02:54:54.000 I think there's, like, a valid scientific reason.

02:54:57.000 So these gases get released, and apparently if there's a boat above when all these – like, we're talking about immense spaces of this gas gets released.

02:55:07.000 Those boats just sink.

02:55:09.000 And it's not just that.

02:55:11.000 It's like the updraft of this stuff can fuck up planes.

02:55:14.000 There's a lot of theories about what causes it.

02:55:17.000 It's also like there's so many storms in that area of Bermuda so that it makes sense that more ships would go down in those areas too.

02:55:24.000 But I still think there's probably something in there.

02:55:27.000 There's probably something in the water.

02:55:28.000 Have you seen that video of that one craft that they're watching on night vision and it flies over the water and then goes down into the water?

02:55:35.000 No, I haven't seen them.

02:55:36.000 Yeah, they call them transmedium crafts.

02:55:38.000 They've been observed by multiple fighter jet pilots, different people on battleships.

02:55:45.000 They've observed them going into the water.

02:55:47.000 And they think there's UFOs?

02:55:48.000 They think there's something going on.

02:55:50.000 They don't know if it's China's or Russia's or...

02:55:53.000 It could even be ours.

02:55:55.000 That's the thing that drives me crazy.

02:55:57.000 See, this was the problem is right now we got cell phones, right?

02:56:00.000 With the cameras.

02:56:01.000 And technology's so good, we can see a lot more things than we could like 20, 30 years ago, right?

02:56:06.000 So I feel like if the military has a lot of stuff they don't want us to know about, they can say like, oh, it's a UFO. But why are they telling us now that, you know...

02:56:14.000 Right.

02:56:15.000 Exactly.

02:56:15.000 That's exactly how I feel.

02:56:17.000 When they're telling you that it's a UFO, I'm like...

02:56:19.000 And the thing is, they're always happening in your military bases.

02:56:23.000 That was happening in the coast of the water off of San Diego.

02:56:26.000 There's all military all over San Diego.

02:56:28.000 East Coast, in all of the restricted air spaces, that's where they see these things.

02:56:32.000 Which is exactly what they would practice if they had these things.

02:56:36.000 If we got our technology strong enough where we could go to different planets, would you like to go?

02:56:41.000 No.

02:56:42.000 I'd be scared as fuck.

02:56:42.000 Fuck that.

02:56:43.000 I'd be scared as fuck.

02:56:45.000 Yeah, fuck that.

02:56:45.000 We talked about, like, they do SpaceX flights.

02:56:48.000 I'm like, uh-uh.

02:56:49.000 I ain't gonna be that dude that dies like that.

02:56:51.000 Fuck that.

02:56:52.000 Imagine the feeling you would have, how stupid you would feel if you're up in the jet or in the rocket.

02:57:00.000 Things start breaking.

02:57:01.000 You don't feel stupid for a couple seconds.

02:57:04.000 Boom!

02:57:05.000 Right before that thing blew, you'd probably be like, my dumb ass could be at home with a margarita right now.

02:57:10.000 I could be at home with my feet up on the fucking couch, watching TV or out in the yard, listening to birds chirp.

02:57:16.000 My stupid ass is dying just so I can get a couple hundred miles above the surface and look down.

02:57:21.000 Because that's all you can get.

02:57:23.000 Yeah.

02:57:23.000 You only get a couple hundred miles.

02:57:25.000 You can't really go to another planet.

02:57:27.000 I don't want to go to another planet.

02:57:29.000 Elon trying to go to Mars?

02:57:33.000 I'm not going to be one of those dudes.

02:57:34.000 I'm staying right here.

02:57:36.000 How do you think those dudes felt when they tried to go see the Titanic?

02:57:39.000 Bro.

02:57:40.000 What was they thinking, bro?

02:57:42.000 They're just rich people that for whatever stupid reason wanted to go on an adventure.

02:57:46.000 Not only that, they're looking through a screen.

02:57:48.000 They're looking through a screen.

02:57:49.000 They just wanted to be there.

02:57:50.000 Bro, the moment before that thing fucking imploded, apparently it was free-falling before it imploded, so they knew it was over.

02:57:58.000 They knew it was over for a few seconds.

02:58:00.000 I would've had a heart attack, I think.

02:58:02.000 I would've probably got a heart attack.

02:58:03.000 I bet a lot of them did.

02:58:04.000 They probably hyper-ventilated, went into shock.

02:58:07.000 How many of them was on there?

02:58:08.000 I don't know.

02:58:09.000 I don't remember.

02:58:11.000 Fuck!

02:58:13.000 Apparently they're talking about doing it again.

02:58:16.000 So no one has been able to go down to the Titanic, so it's too far?

02:58:20.000 Well, no.

02:58:22.000 They had manned craft that went down to the Titanic because I went to the Titanic Museum this past weekend at Luxor in Vegas.

02:58:29.000 They have a chunk of it that you could see this big piece that they pulled up and different artifacts they pulled up.

02:58:35.000 So they did go down there and attach things with manned crafts.

02:58:41.000 And then they pull them up with some kind of drone.

02:58:45.000 But I do think people have actually...

02:58:47.000 I think James Cameron actually went down there.

02:58:51.000 Here it is.

02:58:51.000 The 14th trip.

02:58:52.000 Yeah.

02:58:53.000 The Titan made the first of several dives to the famous shipwreck of the world.

02:58:56.000 While generally successful, these expeditions hadn't been without their own problems.

02:58:59.000 The fatal dive was the vessel's 14th trip to the remains of the Titanic.

02:59:03.000 Oh, it probably just wore out then.

02:59:04.000 Probably.

02:59:05.000 Well, apparently the people that designed it and built it were telling them there was flaws in it.

02:59:11.000 And there was a lot of lawsuits coming, I'm sure, because there was a lot of whistleblowers that wound up leaving the corporation, the company rather, that developed these things.

02:59:20.000 They're like, this is not tested for the kind of pressure that's down there, and you're sending people down there.

02:59:27.000 I just believe there's certain things that man shouldn't, certain places man shouldn't go.

02:59:32.000 The bottom of the ocean is one of them.

02:59:34.000 Yeah, we just shouldn't go.

02:59:35.000 Why go?

02:59:36.000 Why?

02:59:37.000 Why?

02:59:37.000 Certain things we shouldn't do.

02:59:38.000 I don't think we should be jumping out of planes and all that shit either.

02:59:40.000 I just don't believe that.

02:59:41.000 I'm not interested.

02:59:42.000 I'm not interested in that.

02:59:44.000 People go, you should go skydiving.

02:59:45.000 No, you go skydiving.

02:59:46.000 Yeah, fuck that.

02:59:47.000 My friend, his dad, used to work with this lady.

02:59:50.000 And when he would go into work, she's like, you should go skydiving with us.

02:59:53.000 And then one day he goes to work and she's not there.

02:59:56.000 And he said, what happened?

02:59:59.000 Skydiving.

03:00:00.000 But I'll tell you what looks fun, though.

03:00:01.000 You seen them motherfuckers in those squirrel-looking suits?

03:00:03.000 Oh, yeah!

03:00:04.000 That shit look fun, but I see it on TikTok, but they scared.

03:00:07.000 What if they hit a tree going that motherfucking fast?

03:00:09.000 You ever see the one where the guy hits the bridge?

03:00:11.000 No.

03:00:12.000 We'll watch this, and we'll end this podcast.

03:00:14.000 Show the one where the guy hits the bridge in the squirrel suit.

03:00:17.000 So this dude was trying to go through the arches of the bridge, and he missed it.

03:00:21.000 Here, watch this.

03:00:24.000 So he's on the thing and he's trying to fly past the bridge and he's got a bunch of people on the bridge watching this dude like oh my god this is amazing.

03:00:32.000 It looks fun.

03:00:33.000 Yeah I mean he's going like a hundred and something miles an hour too.

03:00:38.000 So he's trying to figure out how to get through this bridge but watch this.

03:00:43.000 Oh!

03:00:46.000 Bro, that sound?

03:00:49.000 That's a horrible sound.

03:00:50.000 He just misjudged.

03:00:51.000 Well, he just exploded, huh?

03:00:53.000 When he hit it?

03:00:53.000 Oh, yeah.

03:00:54.000 Yeah.

03:00:54.000 Just misjudged.

03:00:55.000 Why would you try to go through the bridge?

03:00:56.000 Fuck that.

03:00:57.000 Showing off.

03:00:58.000 Showing off.

03:00:58.000 Yeah.

03:00:59.000 Fuck that.

03:00:59.000 Just wanting to do something.

03:01:00.000 People have done things like that.

03:01:01.000 They fly between buildings.

03:01:03.000 They do a bunch of wild shit with those squirrel suits on.

03:01:06.000 But if you misjudge it, that's your ass.

03:01:09.000 Showing out.

03:01:11.000 Showing off.

03:01:12.000 Quentin, thank you, sir.

03:01:13.000 Thank you for having me, man.

03:01:14.000 Great to hang you.

03:01:14.000 It's been a great experience.

03:01:16.000 It's been great to be here and to hang out with you, man, and see you after all these years.

03:01:19.000 Yeah, I know.

03:01:20.000 It's been a long time.

03:01:20.000 I'm going to hold you to those tickets.

03:01:22.000 Yes, sir.

03:01:22.000 I got you.

03:01:23.000 I got you for two tickets.

03:01:24.000 Tiki always let me down.

03:01:25.000 I can get two?

03:01:26.000 You got to.

03:01:26.000 I'll bring me somebody.

03:01:28.000 All right.

03:01:28.000 Bring me somebody.

03:01:29.000 Yeah.

03:01:29.000 I think that's September 14th.

03:01:31.000 So I got you.

03:01:32.000 September 14th.

03:01:33.000 Yes, sir.

03:01:33.000 I'll be there.

03:01:34.000 All right.

03:01:34.000 It's going to be a banging car.

03:01:35.000 It's going to be crazy inside that thing with all the...

03:01:37.000 The whole ceiling is a screen.

03:01:39.000 Yeah.

03:01:40.000 So, I mean, who knows what they're going to put up there.

03:01:41.000 It's going to be wild.

03:01:42.000 Apparently, they've been working on it this entire time.

03:01:44.000 They've been working on it for months.

03:01:45.000 I think they already spent $9 million just on the production.

03:01:48.000 16. 16 now.

03:01:50.000 What the fuck?

03:01:50.000 Jesus.

03:01:51.000 They got fucking...

03:01:52.000 They worth billions now, so...

03:01:53.000 Yeah.

03:01:54.000 Throwing that money around.

03:01:55.000 Yeah.

03:01:56.000 Tell everybody where to get your podcast.

03:01:58.000 They can go to, what, Jackson on YouTube, right?

03:02:01.000 I think it's on Spotify just to hear.

03:02:03.000 It's two X's or one X? Yeah, two X's.

03:02:05.000 Oh, like your shirt.

03:02:06.000 Like your shirt.

03:02:06.000 There he goes.

03:02:06.000 Oh, thanks for the plug, brother.

03:02:08.000 No, no worries.

03:02:09.000 So, it's Jackson Podcast on YouTube.

03:02:13.000 And is it on everything like Spotify, Apple?

03:02:16.000 No, I think we just got on Spotify.

03:02:18.000 Okay.

03:02:18.000 But tell them about the energy drink.

03:02:20.000 And your energy drink.

03:02:21.000 It's good.

03:02:22.000 I'm glad you like it.

03:02:23.000 It's very good.

03:02:23.000 That's my favorite flavor.

03:02:24.000 F3. F3 energy drink, ginseng.

03:02:27.000 It's got all sorts of good stuff.

03:02:30.000 PCAAs, theanine.

03:02:32.000 What else has it got in here?

03:02:33.000 But it won't make you dick hard.

03:02:34.000 Ginkgo biloba.

03:02:35.000 It won't make you dick hard.

03:02:35.000 Not yet.

03:02:37.000 Version 2. If they come out with one that says Rampage Punch or something.

03:02:41.000 There it is.

03:02:41.000 Rampage Punch.

03:02:42.000 No, you're going to make it dick hard.

03:02:43.000 In Japanese letters.

03:02:46.000 All right, brother.

03:02:47.000 Thank you for being here.

03:02:48.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 09, 2024

JRE MMA Show #159 with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson

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