The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #75 with Dan Hardy

00:00:00.000 We'll bring notes.

00:00:01.000 No, sometimes you remember things.

00:00:03.000 Boom, and we're live.

00:00:04.000 Sometimes I have to remember things.

00:00:07.000 Like if there's a thought that popped in my head or something, I just forgot.

00:00:10.000 I need to write things down.

00:00:12.000 Too many ideas just slip away.

00:00:14.000 Yeah.

00:00:15.000 They slip away.

00:00:16.000 But one thing you said a while ago, which I've tried to start using are the voice memos on my phone.

00:00:21.000 And I'm not very good at it.

00:00:22.000 You say you record straight into your phone all the time.

00:00:24.000 Yeah, it's really good.

00:00:25.000 I'm trying to make it fun.

00:00:26.000 I've got like an old-school Elvis microphone and like a 1950s-style chord into an old recorder, and I'm trying to use that a bit more because we were talking about Hunter S. Thompson.

00:00:35.000 I like the idea of recording stuff as I'm moving, but it's a habit I'm not getting into right now.

00:00:40.000 Well, I think recording anything, like when you have an idea, you go, God damn it, this is a good idea.

00:00:46.000 Like, grab it.

00:00:48.000 Mm-hmm.

00:00:48.000 Grab it!

00:00:49.000 I think as Neil Brennan said it best, that he looks at his notebook like a net for catching ideas.

00:00:55.000 I like that.

00:00:55.000 I love that.

00:00:56.000 Why am I always driving, though?

00:00:57.000 I'm always driving.

00:00:58.000 Always!

00:01:00.000 Because I think when you're in the zone, like, you're driving, there's something about, like, you know how sometimes you could be, like, miles away, and you're like, how the fuck did I get here?

00:01:10.000 Like, you're sober.

00:01:11.000 Yeah, that's terrifying.

00:01:13.000 And you're like, how did I drive miles?

00:01:15.000 I evidently changed lanes.

00:01:17.000 You know, I know where I'm going.

00:01:20.000 Everything was inside the lanes, but I'm barely there.

00:01:23.000 What is that?

00:01:24.000 I don't know.

00:01:25.000 You get in a zone because you're so accustomed to doing it and you're tuning in to everybody around you.

00:01:29.000 And sometimes you're probably a better driver when you're doing that because you're not being conscious.

00:01:33.000 You're just being aware and just being in the moment.

00:01:37.000 Feeling the road.

00:01:38.000 Yes.

00:01:38.000 Being present.

00:01:39.000 It's very nice, but my best ideas come then and I have no way to record them.

00:01:42.000 But I think it's because you're in that weird mind state.

00:01:44.000 A lot of people also get the same thing when they walk.

00:01:48.000 A lot of writers, what they like to do is they like to write, and then they like to go on walks and think about the writing.

00:01:54.000 And the idea is that when you're on the walk, you just get left, right, left, getting a little bit of cardio in, going up hills, and all you're thinking about is you're breathing and you're moving, and those eyes just sort of bounce around the back and get washed.

00:02:08.000 Yeah.

00:02:08.000 Like, they're in a washing machine.

00:02:09.000 Like, what's in there?

00:02:10.000 Like a filtration system.

00:02:11.000 Yeah.

00:02:11.000 Just kind of shaking them through.

00:02:13.000 Yeah, because you're not doing anything else other than walking, right?

00:02:15.000 So you're just walking and them ideas are just bouncing around in there.

00:02:18.000 Yeah.

00:02:19.000 Or running.

00:02:20.000 Yeah.

00:02:20.000 Same thing again.

00:02:21.000 You must find that.

00:02:22.000 Yes.

00:02:22.000 An idea pops in my head and I'm like, I'm definitely going to be remembering this.

00:02:25.000 Yeah.

00:02:25.000 And next thing I'm into balls to the wall and And it's gone.

00:02:29.000 It's gone forever.

00:02:31.000 Yeah.

00:02:31.000 Mitch Hedberg had a funny joke about that he keeps a note, a notepad by his bed, because every now and then he'll have some sort of an idea that he needs to write down.

00:02:42.000 Or if he don't have a notepad, I have to pretend it wasn't a good idea.

00:02:46.000 I'm paraphrasing.

00:02:47.000 I did a terrible job paraphrasing.

00:02:49.000 I couldn't remember.

00:02:50.000 Exactly how it was worded.

00:02:51.000 But it's like, yeah, that thing, like, ideas are strange, man.

00:02:54.000 I entertained for a while the idea that ideas were life forms.

00:02:58.000 That because we don't think of them like, look, there's a lot of different life forms, right?

00:03:04.000 I mean, there's squids, and there's chimps, and there's barracudas, and there's hawks.

00:03:10.000 There's a lot of different life forms.

00:03:12.000 There's insects.

00:03:13.000 I mean, there's a lot of different ones.

00:03:14.000 Mm-hmm.

00:03:15.000 What if that's what ideas were?

00:03:17.000 And that what they're doing is just making their way, and the more you nourish them, the more they grow, the more you pay attention to them, the more they propagate your head with new ideas, and then you take action.

00:03:31.000 On those ideas and it creates everything the world's ever seen that humans have created.

00:03:35.000 All that stuff comes from ideas.

00:03:36.000 Everything from cars to buildings to planes.

00:03:39.000 All that comes from ideas.

00:03:40.000 100% of it.

00:03:42.000 But yet we don't even think about what the ideas are. 0.98

00:03:44.000 Like what the fuck is that? 0.93

00:03:46.000 You just get some random new way of looking at things. 0.99

00:03:49.000 What is happening?

00:03:50.000 Is this just pure calculation?

00:03:53.000 Or are you interacting?

00:03:55.000 With some sneaky little influencer that wants to give you credit for it. 0.94

00:03:59.000 Like, God, Dan Hardy, you're so smart with these ideas.

00:04:02.000 You know what you should do?

00:04:03.000 You should build that building. 1.00

00:04:05.000 And then you're like, I'm going to build this fucking building. 1.00

00:04:07.000 All right, Hardy, right on the side of it, goddammit. 1.00

00:04:10.000 And you do it all in gold. 0.87

00:04:12.000 Like, where is that coming from?

00:04:13.000 Oh, the ego.

00:04:14.000 Oh, you know, men and the toxic masculinity and their desire for building things.

00:04:20.000 Maybe, or maybe ideas made that dude build that thing.

00:04:24.000 Maybe.

00:04:24.000 Maybe ideas were so clever the way they got you and talked to you like a siren pulling you into the rocks.

00:04:31.000 Come on, Dan Hardy. 1.00

00:04:32.000 Build that fucking building. 1.00

00:04:34.000 I'm into it. 1.00

00:04:34.000 And you go and do it. 1.00

00:04:35.000 I'm into it.

00:04:35.000 Are you a subscriber to the idea that ideas are collective?

00:04:39.000 So when you have an idea, that idea is available to other people in the world if they're tuned in to be able to collect that idea?

00:04:45.000 I think it's entirely possible that a lot of people are thinking exactly the same way you think when you're thinking it. 0.96

00:04:51.000 I think that there's a lot of fucking people thinking right now.

00:04:56.000 And there's a lot of sharing information through podcasts and Twitter and Facebook and YouTube videos and all the different things that people are doing. 0.98

00:05:06.000 And it's not outside the realm of possibility that we share some sort of common thread psychically.

00:05:16.000 You know, that there's some connection that we have with each other.

00:05:19.000 We know we like to be around each other, right?

00:05:21.000 Like, logically.

00:05:22.000 I'm not talking woo-woo.

00:05:23.000 People like to be around each other. 1.00

00:05:25.000 When you hear someone talk about, oh, I'm just alone or I want to be by myself, like, that's a fucked up person. 0.96

00:05:31.000 Like, most people, I mean, not for a little bit of time, for a reset, miss your friends. 0.97

00:05:36.000 Yeah, that's wonderful.

00:05:37.000 That's a good idea.

00:05:38.000 That's probably really healthy. 0.99

00:05:39.000 But those people that are like them Ted Kaczynski type dudes who just want to just move to the middle of nowhere and by themselves and be a fucking nomad. 0.98

00:05:47.000 Like, hmm, why? 0.97

00:05:48.000 Most of us don't want that.

00:05:50.000 Most of us want to be around each other.

00:05:51.000 Well, how come?

00:05:52.000 Well, we feel good.

00:05:53.000 It's like a little drug.

00:05:54.000 We feel good around our friends and our loved ones.

00:05:57.000 We feel good.

00:05:58.000 There's something happening here.

00:06:00.000 There's an exchange of information.

00:06:02.000 Yes.

00:06:03.000 But I have to manage that because it exhausts me.

00:06:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:09.000 Two of the podcasts that you've done with Henry Rollins that I've listened to have just blown my mind.

00:06:14.000 He's awesome.

00:06:14.000 And there are so many things that he says.

00:06:17.000 He's my spirit animal, I think.

00:06:18.000 There's a voice inside my head that is Henry Rollins.

00:06:21.000 And some of the things he says...

00:06:23.000 It just resonates with me.

00:06:24.000 And the idea of being around people a lot of the time is just exhausting.

00:06:29.000 I like to be able to pull away, and that's when I feel at my best.

00:06:32.000 For like four hours a day, I can give a lot of energy.

00:06:35.000 Yeah, no, you definitely need a balance of it, but you don't want to be completely absent of it.

00:06:39.000 What it is, in some way or another, we feed off of each other.

00:06:45.000 Good and bad, right?

00:06:46.000 And good people, people that you enjoy being around, you feed off them in a very positive way and it's very fulfilling and addicting and you want to do what they do and you want to help each other and you all want to feed off of each other.

00:06:57.000 You all want to have this powerful community where you love each other.

00:07:01.000 And then there's people that are super negative, too.

00:07:04.000 It's all about what kind of circles do you travel in. 0.99

00:07:09.000 If you get fucked over as a child and you just get tossed into a bad circle really early on, that's one of the primary causes for life-sucking, right? 1.00

00:07:20.000 You're a kid and you're born in a shit situation with abusive people, abusive neighborhood, danger, crime. 1.00

00:07:29.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:07:30.000 Right from the jump. 1.00

00:07:31.000 Just fucked over. 1.00

00:07:32.000 Changes your perspective for life. 1.00

00:07:34.000 Changes the way that you interact with people all the way through your life because of those early beliefs.

00:07:39.000 It's crazy that so little is done to stop that.

00:07:44.000 So little is done to mitigate that in terms of how much effort is put into trying to ensure that people are educated or somehow or another we...

00:07:58.000 There's no real what to explain to someone what it's like to be a parent until you're a parent.

00:08:03.000 You can talk about it until you're blue in the face.

00:08:05.000 But if you're talking to crazy people, you're never going to know how good they are at it anyway. 0.92

00:08:09.000 Like if you take someone who's like a crazy, abusive person, what words could you ever say to that person to stop them from being crazy or abusive? 1.00

00:08:18.000 Is there a string of words that you can say where you could convey the way you feel about it in a way that would cause them to go, wow, I should probably stop being a piece of shit. 1.00

00:08:27.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:08:28.000 I think it's zero to six, isn't it?

00:08:31.000 It's those first six years is when you develop patterns that influence you for the rest of your life.

00:08:35.000 It's like the programming that's embedded in you.

00:08:37.000 And from that point on, all of the decisions you make, all of the relationships you develop...

00:08:43.000 They're put through that filtration system of those first six years of your life.

00:08:47.000 And, I mean, this is where psychedelics have helped me be able to go back and unpack some of that stuff and try and figure out what influenced me.

00:08:56.000 And memories that you bury down that you don't remember for the rest of your life, they'll influence decision-making all the way through your life.

00:09:06.000 And there's little memories, little pit stops.

00:09:11.000 Like, they exist, no matter what you do.

00:09:15.000 You'll be in the middle of doing something, you go back to some weird regret you have when you were 18, you go, ugh, what are you doing there?

00:09:22.000 Do you ever have those moments now, though, where there's a moment where you stop and you think, that was a significant moment?

00:09:27.000 Like, I've just experienced a significant moment in my life that's now going to change the way that I think moving forward.

00:09:33.000 Like, you must have a lot of those conversations that you have.

00:09:35.000 Yeah, sometimes in the conversations, yeah.

00:09:38.000 But I feel like if you think like that, it's nice to think like that for a second, to take that in.

00:09:46.000 Wow, that's pretty cool.

00:09:47.000 But ultimately, it doesn't do you any good.

00:09:50.000 It's like recognizing that you're in this crazy moment.

00:09:56.000 In many ways, it's like paralysis by analysis.

00:10:00.000 You're like, oh my god, this is happening.

00:10:02.000 And then you're just talking about it happening, but now it's not happening anymore.

00:10:05.000 Because now you're just talking.

00:10:07.000 And now you've fallen into this...

00:10:09.000 And it's past.

00:10:10.000 And you miss the moment.

00:10:10.000 You gotta appreciate it.

00:10:12.000 Talk it through so you all get it.

00:10:15.000 Whatever it was.

00:10:16.000 Whatever cool thing it was.

00:10:18.000 But yeah...

00:10:20.000 In terms of the number of events that you see in your life that shape you and impact you in a way that make you reassess where you're at as a person and what life is like,

00:10:36.000 those are so critical.

00:10:38.000 If you don't have those, if you just have this flat plane of nothing happening, going to the same job, I think that's what makes people fucking go crazy, more than almost any other aspect of this life.

00:10:50.000 It's just monotony and boredom and no thrills and no challenges and nothing makes you scared.

00:10:57.000 Yeah, and I think it's difficult to see that when you're in it though, right?

00:11:01.000 I think we're both fortunate enough to be in a place, and I was with a good friend yesterday, Tim Hendricks, getting tattooed, and we were having the same conversation.

00:11:08.000 He's in a place where he's in control of his life.

00:11:12.000 He's living in the place that he wants to live.

00:11:14.000 He said he can walk his kids to school for the next 10 years.

00:11:17.000 He works in the tattoo studio that he got his first professional tattoo in.

00:11:21.000 He's living his dream, and he's got all these businesses that support what he's doing.

00:11:25.000 And we're in a similar situation as well, and I can see other people around me now that are caught in that monotony, and they can't see it, and it's just so difficult to break that.

00:11:37.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:11:37.000 It's so difficult.

00:11:39.000 It's so easy to talk about once you broke through it. 0.83

00:11:41.000 That's why concepts like The Secret are such horseshit.

00:11:45.000 Just because you made it doesn't mean your mind made you make it.

00:11:50.000 There's a lot of variables, man. 0.97

00:11:52.000 To say that you have your finger on the pulse of all the variables that were in charge of making you successful, that's so silly. 0.65

00:12:01.000 Right?

00:12:02.000 You could be a life coach.

00:12:03.000 What do you think about life coaches?

00:12:05.000 They freak me out.

00:12:06.000 How can someone coach your life?

00:12:09.000 Well, it depended upon how much personal experience they've had.

00:12:13.000 That's the problem.

00:12:14.000 Yeah.

00:12:16.000 That's completely dependent upon.

00:12:18.000 See, I'd want someone ancient if I was looking for a life coach.

00:12:21.000 I'd want someone that was, like, at least 90. At least 90. Yeah, someone with, like, a war-torn past and wrote poetry and climbed mountains.

00:12:33.000 That's it.

00:12:34.000 Killed sharks.

00:12:36.000 But it's just, most people that are doing that, this is no disrespect, because I think that some of them actually provide some legitimate fuel for They give people some words that could encourage them,

00:12:51.000 and even though they've never really accomplished anything, they're not necessarily doing anything negative, because they're propagating good ideas.

00:12:58.000 They're promoting healthy values and healthy ways to live life. 0.99

00:13:03.000 But let's be honest, bitch, you ain't done shit. 1.00

00:13:07.000 It's weird. 1.00

00:13:08.000 It's weird to be given advice when you ain't done shit. 0.57

00:13:11.000 And some people have done things. 0.96

00:13:13.000 Some people are legitimate.

00:13:15.000 Some people, like Jocko Willink, when that guy's giving motivational advice, you know who he is.

00:13:21.000 You know what he's accomplished as a Navy SEAL, as a martial artist.

00:13:26.000 He's the real deal.

00:13:28.000 And when he talks to people and talks about discipline and establishing a core relationship between your squad and all the people you work with, you really believe it.

00:13:38.000 You buy it.

00:13:39.000 It's why David Goggins works. 1.00

00:13:41.000 You know that fucking savage is out there running right now. 1.00

00:13:45.000 While we're talking, he's running down the street. 1.00

00:13:47.000 Do some people want to keep you soft?

00:13:49.000 He's running down the street making YouTube videos. 0.98

00:13:52.000 He'll be out there for fucking five hours today just running. 1.00

00:13:54.000 He's an animal. 1.00

00:13:55.000 Dude, I'll tell you, I'll be honest though.

00:13:57.000 I was in Uruguay at the weekend and jet lag took me out.

00:14:01.000 It killed me.

00:14:02.000 I don't know why.

00:14:03.000 Normally I'm pretty good.

00:14:03.000 I fast on the planes.

00:14:05.000 I don't eat anything when I'm in the air.

00:14:06.000 That's supposed to be a good trick, right?

00:14:07.000 Yeah, it works really well.

00:14:09.000 I started using it towards the end of my career.

00:14:11.000 It's something about your circadian cycle and you have breakfast in the time zone that you're leaving and then when you arrive in the next place you have breakfast at that same time and it kind of kicks you over and it works.

00:14:22.000 But for some reason this time it killed me.

00:14:24.000 And I'm laying in bed and it's freezing cold.

00:14:27.000 South America, I just assumed it was going to be warm.

00:14:30.000 It was not warm.

00:14:31.000 It's the southernmost capital city in South America.

00:14:35.000 It was freezing cold.

00:14:36.000 How cold?

00:14:37.000 I don't know.

00:14:38.000 I don't do temperatures.

00:14:39.000 It was cold.

00:14:41.000 My face burned when I stepped outside.

00:14:43.000 Jesus Christ.

00:14:44.000 It was cold.

00:14:44.000 So like zero?

00:14:45.000 Like zero degrees?

00:14:46.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:14:46.000 Maybe I'm being a pussy, but it was cold. 1.00

00:14:50.000 So I decided, I mean, you know, when there's a coastline there, I always try and make the most of it because I live in the city center. 0.99

00:14:55.000 I live in the Midlands.

00:14:57.000 I'm nowhere near a coast.

00:14:59.000 Right.

00:15:00.000 So when I'm near a coast, I want to make the most of it.

00:15:02.000 But I had no warm training clothes, so I'm out there running.

00:15:06.000 And the reason I was out there running and my lungs felt like they were bleeding was because you put an Instagram post up saying something about not being lazy.

00:15:16.000 And it just, it got me straight.

00:15:17.000 I was like, I picked it up.

00:15:18.000 It was the first post that came up on Instagram.

00:15:20.000 I was still laying in bed and I was like...

00:15:22.000 I'm going to see Joe next week.

00:15:24.000 I've got to be inspired in this moment, so thank you.

00:15:27.000 Well, my pleasure.

00:15:29.000 I'm very thankful for you.

00:15:30.000 And I'm thankful for all those people that...

00:15:33.000 There's legitimate people that make posts like that that are fuel.

00:15:36.000 They're mental fuel. 0.68

00:15:37.000 You know, like when Goggins makes a post or when Jocko makes a post or my friend Cam Haynes makes a post, I read those posts and I fucking want to get going.

00:15:46.000 I want to get going because I know they're getting after it. 0.58

00:15:48.000 It sounds so, like for people who are not into exercise, for people who think that we're macho assholes, this is like an excellent place where you would criticize. 0.80

00:15:57.000 Like, God, it's so cliche. 0.56

00:15:59.000 What, are you going to go get after it?

00:16:01.000 I'm telling you there is great value spiritually in doing something hard.

00:16:07.000 There is.

00:16:08.000 There's something about it.

00:16:09.000 It makes you a better person. 0.99

00:16:12.000 Sounds ridiculous, but all my favorite people can fucking push themselves. 0.98

00:16:17.000 All my favorite people work out hard. 0.99

00:16:20.000 Because when they do it, it breaks down bullshit better than anything else you can do. 0.99

00:16:26.000 It just breaks down bullshit. 0.99

00:16:28.000 You know who you are when you're done. 1.00

00:16:30.000 You know when you bitched out. 0.93

00:16:31.000 You know when you started coasting the last 30 seconds of a round.

00:16:35.000 You know all that, man.

00:16:37.000 You can't lie to yourself.

00:16:39.000 It's the grand exposure of who you are, and it only comes during extreme duress. 0.98

00:16:45.000 It only comes when you're doing something that's hard as fuck, whether it's rolling jiu-jitsu or running hills or doing yoga. 0.99

00:16:52.000 It comes in those moments where you want to fucking quit. 0.99

00:16:55.000 Yeah, it's been a while since I've been in California and I was actually reminiscing on some of those late night legends sessions back in the day. 0.91

00:17:01.000 Do you remember those days?

00:17:02.000 Yes, those were great!

00:17:03.000 I even took a drive past the place and I just, it's empty, there's nothing there now, but I took a drive past it and I remember, like we were in there till like 10.30, 11 o'clock at night, the windows steamed up and Yeah.

00:17:14.000 They were good nights.

00:17:15.000 Just that grind.

00:17:15.000 I'm trying to bring that back because I've just opened my own gym, Hardy Warhead.

00:17:19.000 It's my dream.

00:17:20.000 Nice, nice.

00:17:21.000 Where at?

00:17:22.000 It's in the Midlands, in Colville, near Leicestershire.

00:17:24.000 Do you have a website that people can get to?

00:17:27.000 HardyWallheadMMA.co.uk.

00:17:28.000 Spell that out because you've got an English accent, bro.

00:17:30.000 H-A-R-D-Y-W-A-L-L-H-E-A-D. MMA.co.uk So you two guys teamed up together?

00:17:38.000 Yeah, myself and Jimmy Warhead.

00:17:39.000 He's my longtime friend, training partner.

00:17:41.000 So we've opened that.

00:17:41.000 Yeah, he's a famous UK MMA fighter.

00:17:44.000 He's a thug. 0.99

00:17:45.000 He's a beast. 1.00

00:17:46.000 He's beautiful.

00:17:46.000 Yeah, so that's great, man.

00:17:48.000 Those old legend days, man, it's one of those places where I'll drive by, I get nostalgic.

00:17:52.000 I'm like, God, man, we had fun in that place.

00:17:54.000 Yeah.

00:17:55.000 Crazy wars.

00:17:56.000 It was just such a great place to train and such a great environment, a great gym.

00:18:01.000 They set it up perfectly.

00:18:02.000 It was such a bummer when that went away.

00:18:03.000 I was like, oh!

00:18:05.000 They were good nights.

00:18:06.000 Yeah, man!

00:18:06.000 My joy still clicks from your side control pressure.

00:18:11.000 Everyone always asks me, what's Joe's grappling like?

00:18:14.000 Is it loads of 10th Planet stuff?

00:18:16.000 I'm like, not really, no. 0.97

00:18:17.000 He fucking irons people out into the canvas with his shoulders. 0.98

00:18:21.000 People don't get your strong top game. 0.99

00:18:23.000 And I always think back to it.

00:18:25.000 Sorry, dude.

00:18:26.000 I've got a clicky jaw.

00:18:27.000 That's not from me.

00:18:28.000 Well, no.

00:18:29.000 That was from Vitor Belfort.

00:18:30.000 I saw that Carlos Condit fight.

00:18:31.000 That was from a Vitor. 0.97

00:18:31.000 Yeah, that one fucked me up. 0.97

00:18:32.000 You got Vitor'd? 0.94

00:18:33.000 Yeah.

00:18:34.000 Vitor?

00:18:34.000 You sparred with Vitor?

00:18:36.000 Yeah, quite a bit.

00:18:36.000 I've sparred with Vitor.

00:18:37.000 Why didn't you call me?

00:18:38.000 Call me before you think about doing something like that.

00:18:41.000 Let me play you a highlight reel. 1.00

00:18:44.000 Get the fuck away from that guy. 1.00

00:18:46.000 He lit me up. 1.00

00:18:46.000 Oh, of course he did. 1.00

00:18:47.000 He's terrifying.

00:18:49.000 When was this?

00:18:50.000 That was Extreme Couture. 0.98

00:18:52.000 So when I was living here, I used to drive out to...

00:18:54.000 I used to stay at Sean Tompkins' house.

00:18:56.000 Was he fighting 205 then or 85?

00:18:58.000 Oh, this was...

00:19:00.000 He was fighting in Affliction.

00:19:01.000 I was helping him train for the...

00:19:02.000 Was it Terry Martin he fought in Affliction?

00:19:05.000 No, was it?

00:19:06.000 Yes, it was.

00:19:08.000 I think.

00:19:08.000 I think it was.

00:19:09.000 He only had one fight in Affliction, right?

00:19:10.000 And then Affliction went under. 1.00

00:19:12.000 Dude, Affliction had some wild shit! 1.00

00:19:14.000 They did. 1.00

00:19:14.000 They threw a lot of money at that. 1.00

00:19:16.000 When Fedor fought Tim Sylvia, holy shit! 0.99

00:19:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:20.000 Holy shit, that was wild. 1.00

00:19:22.000 When Fedor knocked out Orlovsky, holy shit! 1.00

00:19:25.000 Beautiful. 0.99

00:19:26.000 Both those were affliction fights.

00:19:27.000 They were.

00:19:28.000 They were.

00:19:28.000 Yeah, they were good cards.

00:19:29.000 But it was, yeah, it was Extreme Couture, and it was in the boxing ring that was right in the door.

00:19:33.000 And it was fight week, so there were fans in the gym, people taking photos, and we were on the elevator platform.

00:19:39.000 It's Vitor Belfort with some dude that no one's ever seen that's got a mohawk. 0.95

00:19:42.000 So everyone's like, this guy's going to get fucked up by Vitor Belfort. 0.97

00:19:45.000 So everyone's watching. 0.98

00:19:46.000 And I'm like, I'm like moving.

00:19:48.000 I'm like trying to stay away from him using my footwork and my jab.

00:19:51.000 And he was just trying to march me down.

00:19:53.000 And I caught him with a couple of jabs and a cheeky left hook.

00:19:56.000 And he stepped in and blasted me with this clean uppercut. 0.60

00:20:00.000 I was eating soup for a week.

00:20:02.000 Yeah, man, don't do that.

00:20:04.000 Yeah, he was so fast.

00:20:06.000 He's ridiculously fast.

00:20:08.000 Yeah, you don't need that in your life.

00:20:10.000 Not anymore.

00:20:10.000 He's too big too.

00:20:12.000 Vitor is big and fast.

00:20:14.000 He was like the first guy that burst onto the scene that had like real boxing, hand-speeding combinations.

00:20:20.000 Remember when he fought Trey Tellerman and people thought he was a jiu-jitsu guy?

00:20:23.000 Because he was only 19. But he came up with his hands wrapped with MMA gloves on and was throwing ridiculously- And shoes, right?

00:20:31.000 Yep, wrestling shoes.

00:20:32.000 He was sprinting.

00:20:33.000 He had wrestling shoes when he fought Vanderlei too.

00:20:36.000 That's why he took off so quickly.

00:20:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:20:37.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:20:38.000 But you know what's really interesting about Vitor is people think of him as a kicker. 0.99

00:20:42.000 But he really didn't start kicking until later in his career.

00:20:45.000 You know, it's kind of crazy when you think that he knocked out Dan Henderson with a kick, Luke Rockhold with a kick, Michael Bisping with a kick.

00:20:53.000 He knocked these guys out with head kicks.

00:20:55.000 Spinning kicks.

00:20:55.000 Yeah, well, some of them, yeah.

00:20:57.000 But Bisping was just a lead round kick, right?

00:21:01.000 Wasn't it a left round kick?

00:21:02.000 Yeah, the Rockhold one was a spinning kick.

00:21:03.000 Yes, wheel kick, man.

00:21:04.000 The second wheel kick he probably ever threw in a fight. 0.92

00:21:06.000 And turn straight back to stance as well.

00:21:08.000 Didn't spin all the way through. 0.99

00:21:10.000 He's a fucking serious athlete, man. 0.99

00:21:12.000 That's like the kind of kicking technique that you would get if you were a black belt at Taekwondo in your teens. 0.99

00:21:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:20.000 For him to pick that up deep into his 30s, because he never threw kicks like that, right?

00:21:25.000 He would throw crazy hands, and mostly he would throw some low kicks or things like that, but... 0.99

00:21:33.000 He started throwing wild head kicks and shit. 0.98

00:21:36.000 And I think also something might have had to do with the fact that he broke his hands many times. 0.99

00:21:41.000 Like, many, many times.

00:21:42.000 I think he had something like seven or eight hand operations.

00:21:46.000 Really?

00:21:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:47.000 Something I've never had a problem with.

00:21:49.000 Crazy.

00:21:49.000 You got lucky, man.

00:21:50.000 You got good hand structure.

00:21:52.000 I think it's because I put a video the other day of me hitting the maze bag with no gloves on.

00:21:57.000 And I do that quite a bit, and I've always done it.

00:21:59.000 And I think for the first five years of my training, everything we did was no gloves.

00:22:04.000 You must have done the same thing with Taekwondo, right?

00:22:06.000 Yeah.

00:22:07.000 And I always think now, boxers go straight into a gym, and they wrap their hands before they do anything.

00:22:11.000 So they never get that structure of their hands.

00:22:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:22:15.000 Yeah.

00:22:15.000 I think there definitely is some benefit to doing some hand strengthening, for sure.

00:22:19.000 There's no detraction.

00:22:21.000 There's no detriment doing it.

00:22:23.000 It's got to be good for you.

00:22:24.000 You're doing something where that's your weapon.

00:22:27.000 Two of your biggest weapons, the ones that land the most, are these two hands.

00:22:31.000 And if you could make them more strong, it only makes sense that that would be good.

00:22:35.000 And also, if you made them more muscular, if you just did a lot of...

00:22:38.000 You would actually make them heavier.

00:22:42.000 Not much.

00:22:43.000 How much more meat do you got in your hands if you have a thick hand versus a thin hand?

00:22:47.000 It's probably a couple ounces.

00:22:49.000 I've got quite small hands.

00:22:50.000 And crooked thumbs as well.

00:22:52.000 That's the other thing. 0.99

00:22:52.000 If you punch as hard as Vitor, you better have some fucking George Foreman hands. 0.99

00:22:57.000 To go with that speed and power. 0.98

00:23:00.000 There's a lot of great boxers, even with those big gloves.

00:23:03.000 Floyd Mayweather broke his hands multiple times.

00:23:06.000 He just hit people really hard. 1.00

00:23:08.000 Hit them hard on the forehead, your fucking hand breaks. 1.00

00:23:11.000 What about Chris Lieben? 1.00

00:23:13.000 He never broke his hands, did he?

00:23:15.000 That guy's made out of metal.

00:23:15.000 Exactly.

00:23:16.000 He's made out of metal!

00:23:17.000 If you could take his hands off and put them on Vito Belfort, that's a lethal weapon. 0.94

00:23:21.000 He fires bombs at people bare knuckle. 0.88

00:23:23.000 It's crazy to see him.

00:23:25.000 Did you see his last fight, though, against Dakota Cochran?

00:23:27.000 We've got this giant gash in his forehead.

00:23:30.000 One of the worst cuts I've ever seen.

00:23:32.000 It makes me rethink my support of...

00:23:35.000 Because I was saying that MMA should be bare knuckle.

00:23:38.000 I remember we had this conversation back in the Middle East a long time ago.

00:23:42.000 I've been having that same repetitive conversation forever.

00:23:45.000 Because it doesn't make sense to me that we have this unrealistic...

00:23:50.000 The advantage of having your wrist wrapped and having knuckle protections on.

00:23:54.000 It seems like, how come someone can elbow you in the face, but they can't hit you with a bare knuckle?

00:24:00.000 They can shin you in the face. 0.99

00:24:02.000 Think about as hard as some people kick and then shinning you in the face. 0.84

00:24:07.000 That's okay.

00:24:08.000 But then you've got to think, I mean, what MMA would look like if we took the gloves off?

00:24:12.000 It would look like a real fight.

00:24:13.000 It would.

00:24:14.000 The thing is, like, the gloves, it doesn't help anyone other than the person who's throwing their punches because it protects your hand.

00:24:21.000 But it gives you an unrealistic expectation of what you can do with your hands because they're all padded up.

00:24:26.000 But I still think people, you know, the people that are fighting Bare Knuckle right now have got an unrealistic perspective of what boxing is with no gloves.

00:24:35.000 If you look back to any of the old photos or drawings of the old bare knuckle boxers, their stance was so much different. 0.82

00:24:42.000 They leaned back, their knuckles were curled in, and they were hitting with the front two knuckles with a back fist.

00:24:48.000 I think if bare knuckle boxing had started around the same time as the UFC started...

00:24:54.000 It would develop and it would look very different right now.

00:24:57.000 Everybody's standing like boxers, like they've got 14-ounce gloves on when they're sparring.

00:25:01.000 And they're throwing punches like they've got gloves on.

00:25:05.000 They've not made that adjustment yet to lean back and start using that lead hand better.

00:25:09.000 So do you think that you're going to see that in this bare knuckle boxing guys?

00:25:12.000 They're going to develop like that old-timey style?

00:25:15.000 I think so. 1.00

00:25:15.000 And start jabbing with those strong, for folks who don't know, the strong two knuckles are the ones that are right next to your index finger and your fuck you finger. 1.00

00:25:24.000 Those are the two strong ones. 0.99

00:25:27.000 And if you look at my friend John Lee, who is a national taekwondo champion and one of my mentors, taught me a lot when I was in Boston.

00:25:36.000 He used to punch bricks so often that he didn't have two knuckles.

00:25:39.000 He had one solid knuckle.

00:25:41.000 It was so crazy.

00:25:43.000 On his right hand, it was like where a knuckle would be and another knuckle would be.

00:25:49.000 All of it was covered by this thick callus. 0.97

00:25:53.000 Have you ever seen, like, when dudes have those knuckles from breaking boards and bricks and shit? 0.94

00:25:58.000 I've seen the callous knuckles, but I've never seen one combined. 0.99

00:26:02.000 Jamie, see if you can find a photo of this, because I've seen it on other martial artists before, but you have to be one hardcore motherfucker to turn your hand into a hammer. 0.99

00:26:11.000 One of my party tricks is my shins, though. 0.99

00:26:14.000 Oh, really?

00:26:15.000 Because I've got conditioned shins from Thai boxing.

00:26:17.000 There's still, like, none of the nerves have come back?

00:26:19.000 No.

00:26:20.000 That's amazing.

00:26:21.000 And they're like... 1.00

00:26:22.000 All calcified and shit? 0.99

00:26:23.000 Yeah, it sounds like the table. 0.99

00:26:25.000 But it's like the bone collapses down on itself.

00:26:28.000 And then you get, like, this thick chunk of bone right at the front of the shin.

00:26:33.000 So it's a different kind of bone, like a calcified bone?

00:26:37.000 The way it was explained to me is that if you take a cross-section of the bone, it looks like ladders stacked up next to each other.

00:26:43.000 And what you do is you collapse the rungs on the front set of ladders, and that collapses down in itself, and those two pieces calcify, and then that becomes a thicker outer wall, and then you do the same thing.

00:26:55.000 So you collapse the...

00:26:56.000 Like we used to do bottles and rolling pins and...

00:27:00.000 All kinds of stuff to try and condition the shins. 0.99

00:27:03.000 What's the best way?

00:27:05.000 Heavy bag.

00:27:06.000 That's what I heard.

00:27:07.000 Heavy bag.

00:27:07.000 All day.

00:27:08.000 They have.

00:27:08.000 I've got a big old sandy heavy bag in my gym and I just kick that all day.

00:27:12.000 Kevin Ross said he would make me one. 0.97

00:27:14.000 He's going to make me a sand one that you just kick with your shins. 0.99

00:27:18.000 Nice. 0.99

00:27:20.000 That's what he told me he does.

00:27:21.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ.

00:27:22.000 You've got to put some rags in there with the sand just to give it a bit of movement.

00:27:25.000 No.

00:27:26.000 Not if Kevin Ross is going to install it.

00:27:27.000 I'm going to take it like a man. 0.98

00:27:29.000 What's that? 1.00

00:27:31.000 I'm gonna just fuck my shins up. 0.99

00:27:33.000 The same thing apparently is the process that happens with cauliflower ear. 0.99

00:27:37.000 is calcification because when you get internal bleeding as it's been explained to me remember I am a moron and I'm definitely not a doctor but it was explained to me that when you have blood inside the tissue that that blood can calcify and that's why your your ears when they get cauliflower they're so fucking hard because literally it's like a rock in there damn I used to just get it out I used to stuff some insulin needles good for you good for you Yeah, 0.82

00:28:04.000 good for you. 0.96

00:28:05.000 There's a lot of people that want that nonsense with their ears.

00:28:08.000 Listen, no disrespect to people who have it, because many of them are my heroes.

00:28:13.000 Because it's part of the game for Jiu-Jitsu.

00:28:16.000 But if you have the option right now, not if you already have the cauliflower, God bless. 0.99

00:28:21.000 But if you've got the option right now, you really should drain your fucking ear. 0.99

00:28:25.000 Because that's the reason why your ear hears a certain way. 1.00

00:28:28.000 All that sound comes through there.

00:28:30.000 You can hear it.

00:28:31.000 I have like little tiny pieces, chunks of little hard stuff, you know, places where I had like a little bit of cauliflower, but I always wore ear guards.

00:28:39.000 Yeah.

00:28:40.000 Yeah, you did.

00:28:40.000 You always had ear guards.

00:28:41.000 Yeah, fuck you, man. 1.00

00:28:42.000 I'm going to hear. 1.00

00:28:43.000 You guys are crazy. 0.99

00:28:44.000 Bare knuckle boxing legend Big Joe Joyce dipped hands in petrol ahead of brutal fights. 0.99

00:28:51.000 Oh, is this that Irish guy? 1.00

00:28:52.000 One of those gentlemen?

00:28:54.000 He said, it made his hands hard as stone, is what he said.

00:28:55.000 It made me hands hard as stone.

00:28:57.000 Rock hard.

00:28:58.000 Oh, let me hear this fella.

00:28:59.000 Can we hear him talk?

00:29:00.000 Probably, yeah.

00:29:02.000 This is a traveler.

00:29:04.000 Why isn't it okay to say gypsy anymore?

00:29:06.000 What happened?

00:29:07.000 I don't know.

00:29:07.000 Is that not acceptable anymore?

00:29:09.000 That's what I heard.

00:29:10.000 No such thing is bandages.

00:29:12.000 Because bandages kills the clouds.

00:29:13.000 When I hear the cutler man in, I'll do nothing in heaven.

00:29:16.000 Okay, just stop right there because we don't understand what he's saying.

00:29:19.000 I wouldn't refer to him as a gypsy.

00:29:22.000 I would refer to him as a pikey. 1.00

00:29:23.000 Ah, a pikey. 1.00

00:29:24.000 Yeah.

00:29:25.000 Well, they call themselves travelers as well, right?

00:29:28.000 These are weird distinctions, you know?

00:29:31.000 Yeah, that's how probably offended a bunch of people there, which I didn't mean to do. 1.00

00:29:34.000 A bunch of tough motherfuckers, man. 1.00

00:29:36.000 Yeah, for sure. 1.00

00:29:37.000 A bunch of really tough motherfuckers. 1.00

00:29:39.000 Nicky Holtzkin, isn't he from that... 1.00

00:29:42.000 I'm not sure.

00:29:43.000 I think he is.

00:29:44.000 He's very pretty.

00:29:45.000 Tyson Fury for sure.

00:29:46.000 Tyson Fury is.

00:29:47.000 For sure.

00:29:48.000 I used to train in the same boxing gym as him.

00:29:50.000 He used to have the ring the hour before me.

00:29:52.000 And I remember watching him. 0.71

00:29:54.000 He was just like this big hulking monster walking around. 0.85

00:29:56.000 Dude, he's so ridiculously tall. 1.00

00:29:59.000 Ridiculous. 0.99

00:30:00.000 He's so tall and long and he moves so good for a big heavyweight. 0.95

00:30:03.000 Nice dude, though. 0.99

00:30:04.000 Goddamn. 0.99

00:30:04.000 He's a great guy. 0.99

00:30:05.000 He's a sweetheart of a guy.

00:30:07.000 He is.

00:30:07.000 And he really, genuinely cares to reach out to people and tell them that if you are going through depression, if you're dealing with and suffering from mental illness, talk about it and get help.

00:30:17.000 Because I almost killed myself and now here I am, champ of the world, feeling great.

00:30:21.000 Yeah.

00:30:22.000 I'd love to see him again, Sandy Ruiz.

00:30:24.000 I would love to see that, too.

00:30:25.000 I think we'll see that.

00:30:26.000 I think we'll see all these fights.

00:30:28.000 Andy Ruiz is not looking forward to fighting in Saudi Arabia, apparently.

00:30:32.000 Yeah, why is it there?

00:30:33.000 I do not.

00:30:35.000 Look, again, one more time. 1.00

00:30:36.000 I'm a moron. 0.99

00:30:37.000 I'm not a fight promoter. 1.00

00:30:38.000 I don't know what the fuck goes on behind the scenes with lawyers. 0.83

00:30:41.000 I don't know what the contract said that he had, but what I had heard was that he had to fight in England. 0.98

00:30:47.000 That was in the contract.

00:30:49.000 That's what I had heard. 0.98

00:30:50.000 But that could be horseshit. 0.98

00:30:52.000 I have no idea. 0.96

00:30:53.000 Maybe it says in the contract that they have the right to tell him.

00:30:57.000 I shouldn't have even said that I heard that because I don't even remember who told it to me.

00:31:00.000 But the point is, there's a story that just came out that he does not want this fight to be in Saudi Arabia.

00:31:05.000 I think he wants a fight in New York again.

00:31:07.000 He said he doesn't trust it over there.

00:31:10.000 He doesn't trust it in England either.

00:31:12.000 He doesn't trust fighting Joshua in England.

00:31:14.000 He's like, no, [...

00:31:15.000 I get it.

00:31:16.000 I mean, he's the champ now.

00:31:17.000 He can call his shot, right?

00:31:18.000 He's the champ.

00:31:20.000 Yeah, he's the champ, man.

00:31:21.000 Neutral terrorist. 0.99

00:31:22.000 Fucking super nice guy. 1.00

00:31:22.000 Have you met him? 1.00

00:31:23.000 No, I have not met him.

00:31:24.000 He's great.

00:31:25.000 He was awesome on your podcast.

00:31:26.000 He's great.

00:31:26.000 I enjoyed listening to that.

00:31:27.000 It's a good dude, man. 1.00

00:31:28.000 Genuine as fuck. 0.99

00:31:29.000 And boy, does he have fluidity and efficiency in his punches. 1.00

00:31:33.000 No wasted movement.

00:31:34.000 Yes.

00:31:35.000 And the other thing I was talking to Tim Hendricks about, we were discussing boxing.

00:31:40.000 He actually trains at the Ruka gym with Jason Perillo.

00:31:44.000 He's had a couple of fights himself.

00:31:46.000 I'm a huge Jason Perillo fan.

00:31:47.000 He's a very, very good coach, man.

00:31:50.000 Very good.

00:31:50.000 In the corners, he's great.

00:31:52.000 Like, his advice is great.

00:31:53.000 And you see, like, the advancement of his pupils.

00:31:56.000 He's got that deep bassy voice.

00:31:58.000 And he doesn't toot his own horn, ever.

00:31:59.000 No, no. 1.00

00:32:00.000 You know, that guy just stays under the radar and just kicks ass. 0.81

00:32:04.000 I'd like to see a couple of young fighters go to his gym, because he's, like, the old guard are kind of leaving now, like Bisping and Cyborg. 0.77

00:32:11.000 I'm not sure what she's going to do now.

00:32:13.000 Well, I think people are going to, you know, up and coming people that are in that area for sure are going to go.

00:32:19.000 It's one of those things where it's like, there's so many great trainers now that for fighters, it's like, where do you want to live?

00:32:26.000 Do you want to live in San Diego?

00:32:27.000 Do you want to live in LA? Do you want to live in Vegas?

00:32:29.000 Like, where do you want to live?

00:32:30.000 Like, you just have to figure out where you want to live and then find somebody who's going to match up with your style.

00:32:34.000 Yeah.

00:32:35.000 Assuming you're realistically at the level that you could benefit from such a move.

00:32:40.000 You know?

00:32:41.000 Yeah.

00:32:42.000 Kind of spoiled for choice, really.

00:32:43.000 Yeah.

00:32:44.000 I was at American Top Team the other week, but I spent some time with Conan Silveira.

00:32:48.000 Can't get better than that, Blaze.

00:32:50.000 He's a wizard.

00:32:50.000 He's a wizard, and so is Dean.

00:32:52.000 Dean Thomas has one of the best Instagram pages with advice.

00:32:56.000 Advice for young fighters.

00:32:58.000 And he had a great one today that I texted him.

00:33:00.000 I said, this is genius advice.

00:33:02.000 Telling them that one of the biggest things that inhibits their progress is not looking at themselves honestly.

00:33:08.000 Not looking at what they're strong at, what they're weak at.

00:33:12.000 I think it helps to have a good sense of humor, though, as a fighter.

00:33:15.000 And I think, you know, with him having such a good sense of humor, he can be critical about himself and not take it to heart.

00:33:20.000 And I think there are a lot of fighters that are, you know, they're too delicate to be honest with themselves.

00:33:25.000 Like, how many fighters, they get knocked out and they don't watch the fight?

00:33:30.000 A lot.

00:33:30.000 A lot don't want to experience it.

00:33:32.000 They don't want to see it.

00:33:33.000 That's crazy to me.

00:33:35.000 That seems to be like an essential part of the learning process.

00:33:38.000 Maybe in their mind they know what happened and they don't want to experience the bad feeling again and what they're just going to do is just get through this, learn and improve.

00:33:47.000 That they don't need to see themselves getting left hooked.

00:33:50.000 They know what happened.

00:33:51.000 They dropped their hand.

00:33:52.000 It's like burying it deep down inside.

00:33:54.000 You never remember exactly how it played out as well.

00:33:56.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:33:58.000 Unless it's final, right?

00:34:00.000 Like if you wake up and you got flatlined and you look up and you see the highlight of you getting hit and then you barely remember it.

00:34:07.000 I mean, how much of that is going to help you to watch that?

00:34:11.000 Right?

00:34:11.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:34:12.000 Like, how much is it going to help Ben Askren to see Jorge Masvidal land that knee on him?

00:34:18.000 Yeah, I mean, well, the thing is with that, that was, I'm not saying it was a less technical circumstance, but it was one of those kind of wild circumstances which, I mean, the only thing that he could have learned from it is the fact that Masvidal had probably figured out that he shoots with his head to that side.

00:34:33.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:34.000 So, which is why Masvidal did the circle to make him put his head on that side so it was in the right place. 0.85

00:34:39.000 Dude, it was genius.

00:34:40.000 It was.

00:34:41.000 It was checkmate with one move.

00:34:43.000 That's what it was.

00:34:44.000 Because it was one move, there was no build-up, there was no set-up.

00:34:48.000 A fight that lasts a couple of minutes, I think there's a lot to be learned from that.

00:34:51.000 And the process in which you went through to be opened up for the knockout.

00:34:57.000 Like the Condit fight for me, I've watched that thousands of times.

00:35:01.000 I used to walk through casinos in Vegas and it was playing on a highlight reel on the TV. Here we go again.

00:35:07.000 But I know exactly what went wrong.

00:35:09.000 I learned so much from that.

00:35:11.000 And I remember opening my eyes and thinking, I'm just feeling different.

00:35:14.000 Don't you feel, though, like, I mean, now at this stage of your career, you've become this celebrated commentator as well.

00:35:23.000 And you can look back and you have so many highlights.

00:35:27.000 There were so many great moments in your career.

00:35:30.000 You could acknowledge that the bad moments are there, but they can't sting like they used to sting.

00:35:35.000 No, they don't.

00:35:36.000 I mean, I've always had a good sense of humour.

00:35:38.000 You always have, yeah.

00:35:39.000 I mean, you know, I got punched in the face.

00:35:42.000 I get reminded of that line after the Condit fight all the time when you interviewed me.

00:35:46.000 First thing I thought to myself, you've always got to be able to laugh at yourself because you're exposed.

00:35:51.000 You're very, very vulnerable.

00:35:52.000 You're in front of millions of people putting basically your health on the line.

00:35:58.000 So I think having a sense of humour has always helped.

00:36:00.000 And I think also now being able to look back from where I am now and look at my career and go, well, I had 10 fights in the UFC. I went four up, title fight, four down, and then I pulled it back for two.

00:36:13.000 And that's where it kind of ended.

00:36:14.000 So I had a bit of everything.

00:36:16.000 I had a taste of everything.

00:36:17.000 I had the quick rise.

00:36:19.000 I was in a co-main event in my second fight.

00:36:21.000 You know, O2 Arena in London, 69-second knockout, on top of the world.

00:36:27.000 Marcus Davis after that was just ridiculous because of the build-up to it.

00:36:31.000 Then Mike Swick, I'm fighting for a world title. 0.99

00:36:34.000 Holy shit, what's happening here? 0.98

00:36:35.000 Next thing, I'm facing off against George St. Pierre. 0.98

00:36:37.000 And then I had like a four-month process after that of...

00:36:43.000 Looking back at it with everybody saying, oh, you just need a bit of takedown offense.

00:36:46.000 You just need some takedown offense. 0.91

00:36:48.000 And I'd started to believe that in my own head and thought I was really, really fucking good. 0.92

00:36:53.000 I did. 0.91

00:36:53.000 I mean, it went like... 0.91

00:36:54.000 Well, you were really fucking good, man. 0.99

00:36:56.000 You thought you were better than you were. 0.98

00:36:58.000 Absolutely, I did, yeah.

00:37:00.000 And then I looked at Condit and this is where my ego took over and I looked at him and I thought to myself, he's not going to do anything to me.

00:37:07.000 He's awkward, he's slow, he's striking sucks, he's very predictable, he's not getting any punching power, he won't be able to take me down.

00:37:14.000 This was the whole conversation I was having in my head going into the fight. 0.94

00:37:17.000 There was no way he was going to beat me.

00:37:20.000 Wow.

00:37:21.000 That was a good turning point for me because that put me back on the track where I should have been and I'd already started to veer off after the GSP fight because the rides have been so quick, four fights.

00:37:33.000 Because I experienced that, it's nice for me to be able to I try not to talk about it, but to relate my experiences when I'm watching other fighters coming up.

00:37:42.000 I can put myself in their shoes because I've probably experienced something of where they're at.

00:37:47.000 A high or a low.

00:37:49.000 So I look back and I think maybe my career prepared me for where I'm at right now.

00:37:54.000 Oh, for sure.

00:37:55.000 I think the best commentators for sure are former fighters. 0.98

00:37:58.000 I don't know what the fuck I'm doing in there, man. 1.00

00:38:00.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:38:01.000 As a comedian. 1.00

00:38:01.000 You set the ball so high. 1.00

00:38:02.000 Oh, please.

00:38:03.000 Come on.

00:38:04.000 It's a great job for me.

00:38:07.000 It's a lot of fun, but I think it's best expressed by former fighters because they can do everything that I can do, which most of them can.

00:38:14.000 The big thing that's missing with me is not having fought in the UFC, where they can relay that.

00:38:20.000 It's very important.

00:38:21.000 I've seen a lot of it.

00:38:22.000 I understand what's going on, but there's an additional perspective that someone like you can provide.

00:38:27.000 Michael Bisping, who I think is also excellent at it.

00:38:29.000 Of course, DC. He's probably my all-time favorite guy to work with.

00:38:34.000 Dominic Cruz's excellent attitude, as is Paul Felder.

00:38:37.000 It's like, there's something unique about the perspective of... 0.69

00:38:40.000 You know who used to be really fucking good at it? 0.93

00:38:42.000 Frank Mir. 0.97

00:38:42.000 Frank Mir's very good. 0.97

00:38:43.000 He was great!

00:38:44.000 Dude, give him a job! 1.00

00:38:46.000 Somebody give him a fucking job! 1.00

00:38:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:47.000 But then I would say the same thing about Jimmy Smith. 1.00

00:38:49.000 Jimmy Smith's excellent.

00:38:51.000 Yes, he's excellent.

00:38:52.000 And, you know...

00:38:52.000 I think the UFC had decided that they wanted to use their former fighters more and sort of give them a career option after fighting, which, you know, we look like Rashad Evans, he's really flourishing there.

00:39:06.000 Tyron Woodley has already kind of established himself as being a big-time commentator while he was the champ.

00:39:12.000 After he was the champ, he's doing more of that.

00:39:14.000 The more guys do that, the more they're going to see, like, oh, well, there is a life in sports after competition.

00:39:20.000 I can make a great living, still be involved in the sport that I love, that has given me so much, and I've given so much to.

00:39:27.000 And it's all a cool thing.

00:39:29.000 And I think I encourage more of them to do podcasts, like Schaub.

00:39:33.000 You know, like Schaub's kind of carved the path.

00:39:35.000 In terms of ex-fighters becoming successful at podcasts.

00:39:40.000 And so many people go to him for, you know, what's your take on Canelo versus Triple G? What do you think is going to happen with this?

00:39:47.000 Is Deontay Wilder ever going to fight Tyson Fury again?

00:39:50.000 Coming from a former fighter, man, people really dig that.

00:39:54.000 It's a unique perspective.

00:39:55.000 If you can get good at fighting, you can get good at talking.

00:39:59.000 True.

00:39:59.000 It's easy to learn it that way around, I think.

00:40:02.000 Get the fighting learned first and then figure out how to tell people about it.

00:40:05.000 I often think, you know, when I'm talking to people though, like Anthony Smith, when I speak to him, I always think to myself, as soon as he's done fighting, he can cross straight over into broadcasting because he speaks so well.

00:40:17.000 And every time I find a fighter and I feel that about them, I always make sure I tell them.

00:40:22.000 Because although you don't want to think about it when you're a fighter because you always want to think, of course you're going to become the world champ and of course you're going to be massively successful and not have to worry about it because that's the only mindset that you should have as a fighter, of course.

00:40:34.000 But there is life after fighting.

00:40:37.000 What I've realized is that if I'd have had other options planned when I was fighting, I would have had a lot less pressure when I was fighting.

00:40:45.000 This is my advice that I would say.

00:40:47.000 I would say for sure, if you're the type of person that needs to concentrate on one thing at a time and that one thing is fighting, just fight.

00:40:55.000 But if you're interested in doing it in any way, you don't have to think like, this is my way out.

00:41:01.000 You could just say, this is another cool thing I do. 1.00

00:41:03.000 So don't fuck with your head. 1.00

00:41:05.000 Don't fuck with your head and say, hey, maybe when I retire, this would be my career. 1.00

00:41:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:10.000 Stay in the game, but you can just get good at stuff, too, and just be zen about it.

00:41:16.000 The more you put pressure on, like, maybe it's time for me to move on.

00:41:19.000 Maybe it's time for me to... 1.00

00:41:21.000 Guys can headfuck themselves. 1.00

00:41:23.000 You don't want to fight when you're headfucked. 0.99

00:41:25.000 We've all seen guys fight when they're headfucked, and you're like, what happened to him? 0.73

00:41:29.000 Oh, he broke up with this girl.

00:41:30.000 Oh, this happened, or that happened, or someone in the family died.

00:41:34.000 Like, eee.

00:41:35.000 Mm-hmm.

00:41:35.000 Yeah, that's why Paul Felder fights like it's always his last fight, because he knows he's got a good commentary gig when he retires.

00:41:42.000 That guy's a lunatic. 0.98

00:41:43.000 He is a lunatic, but he's great at commentary. 1.00

00:41:46.000 He's awesome. 0.98

00:41:46.000 You know, he's a theatre major. 0.98

00:41:48.000 He's just a super well-spoken guy.

00:41:51.000 He's quite a gentleman.

00:41:53.000 They bring him in for the European ones. 0.94

00:41:55.000 We worked on Moscow together and a few of them.

00:41:57.000 Him and Barboza 2 is going to be chaos.

00:42:01.000 That's a crazy... 1.00

00:42:02.000 As long as that motherfucker lasts, that's going to be crazy. 1.00

00:42:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:06.000 Barboza's been in some fucking wars. 1.00

00:42:09.000 He is amazing. 1.00

00:42:10.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:42:11.000 He is the fastest switch kick I've ever seen in my life. 1.00

00:42:13.000 Oh, for sure.

00:42:14.000 And it's the placement as well.

00:42:17.000 It's the timing and the placement of it.

00:42:19.000 It's stunning how fast it is, though, man.

00:42:21.000 It's stunning.

00:42:22.000 Like, when you see it in real life, you're just like, Jesus! 0.99

00:42:24.000 I've seen a fucking thousand people throw switch kicks, probably. 0.99

00:42:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:29.000 But there's one that stands out. 0.99

00:42:31.000 It's Barbosi.

00:42:32.000 Like, Jesus! 0.99

00:42:32.000 It is ridiculous. 0.99

00:42:33.000 Like a world champion tie. 0.95

00:42:35.000 That's what it looks like.

00:42:36.000 He was down at American Top Team.

00:42:37.000 I was there a few weeks ago, just watching him hit pads and move around and stuff.

00:42:42.000 Dude, he's the best kicker in the sport, for my money.

00:42:46.000 He's the first guy to stop two guys with leg kicks.

00:42:50.000 Rafael de Oliveira and a wrestler. 0.99

00:42:56.000 Just like, he's a fucking lethal kicker, man. 0.98

00:43:00.000 The first guy to ever stop somebody with a wheel kick, Terry Adam. 0.99

00:43:04.000 You know?

00:43:05.000 God, how many times have we seen that? 1.00

00:43:07.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:43:08.000 That's on everything. 1.00

00:43:09.000 Always. 1.00

00:43:09.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:43:10.000 Well, I remember thinking, like, Terry's got to take some chances here, but if he takes chances, he could get knocked out. 1.00

00:43:14.000 So I was literally saying that when he got hit with a wheel kick.

00:43:19.000 He's a fighter that I think would benefit from that weight class between 155 and 170. Mike Lulo.

00:43:24.000 Mike Lulo was the other guy he stopped with leg kicks.

00:43:28.000 I knew I'd remember it.

00:43:29.000 Do you remember the Jose Aldo Uriah Faber?

00:43:33.000 What's that?

00:43:33.000 I wasn't in the UFC, sorry.

00:43:34.000 What was another one?

00:43:35.000 The fight right before that, Marcelo Gautier. 0.99

00:43:39.000 Dude, he's fucking lethal. 0.99

00:43:41.000 His leg kicks are horrific. 1.00

00:43:44.000 The only one as close was Aldo in his prime.

00:43:47.000 Oh man, against Uriah Faber.

00:43:48.000 I did a show with Faber the week after and he came in on crutches.

00:43:52.000 His whole leg was like, you know the eggplant emoji?

00:43:55.000 That's basically what his leg looked like.

00:43:56.000 I saw it. 0.99

00:43:57.000 Ridiculous. 0.99

00:43:57.000 People don't understand. 0.99

00:43:58.000 You're at grave risk of infection when you have that kind of bruising all throughout your leg.

00:44:04.000 That could go terribly wrong.

00:44:06.000 That was a terrible leg injury. 0.98

00:44:08.000 That shows you how fucking tough Uriah Faber is. 1.00

00:44:11.000 Oh, he's ridiculous. 1.00

00:44:12.000 And he's back. 1.00

00:44:13.000 It's not just that, too.

00:44:14.000 How about the fight where he fought Mike Brown and he broke both his hands?

00:44:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:18.000 Broke both his fucking hands. 1.00

00:44:20.000 So he's throwing elbows and kicks and he's trying to keep this guy off him. 0.99

00:44:24.000 Yeah.

00:44:24.000 Dude.

00:44:25.000 And he's back as well.

00:44:26.000 I want to see him against Cejudo.

00:44:28.000 Dude, I want to see it too.

00:44:29.000 I mean, it came close.

00:44:30.000 It seemed like this is almost something that really could happen.

00:44:33.000 Because when he knocked out Ricky Simone, everybody was like, what?

00:44:37.000 Yeah.

00:44:38.000 Like, what?

00:44:39.000 This is crazy.

00:44:40.000 Uriah comes back.

00:44:41.000 He's starching people.

00:44:42.000 And good fighters.

00:44:44.000 Knocks out a good fighter.

00:44:45.000 A young, up-and-coming, talented kid. 0.98

00:44:47.000 Just catches him perfect and like, damn, Uriah Faber's in the hunt. 0.98

00:44:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:44:52.000 And then everybody loves him. 0.99

00:44:53.000 And so he starts talking shit to Cejudo. 1.00

00:44:55.000 And Cejudo starts talking shit to him. 1.00

00:44:57.000 And you're like, wow. 0.99

00:44:58.000 But first, Cejudo has to fight Valentina Shevchenko and Amanda Nunes, apparently.

00:45:03.000 You see his new shirt?

00:45:04.000 He's got intergender champion shirts.

00:45:06.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:45:07.000 Go to his Instagram.

00:45:08.000 I love it.

00:45:09.000 I love it.

00:45:09.000 Henry, I'm in your corner.

00:45:10.000 You keep this up.

00:45:11.000 No, no, Henry.

00:45:12.000 Come on.

00:45:13.000 No more rabbits out of hats.

00:45:14.000 No more capes.

00:45:16.000 He's got people excited about flyweight, man.

00:45:18.000 Yeah, but...

00:45:19.000 Dude, you gotta see this t-shirt.

00:45:21.000 I love it.

00:45:22.000 Look, they're all in on it, man.

00:45:24.000 This might as well be pro wrestling.

00:45:25.000 Look at this.

00:45:26.000 Everybody's in on it.

00:45:27.000 Let me see it.

00:45:28.000 Look at that.

00:45:31.000 Intergender world champion.

00:45:32.000 It's all in gold on a black shirt.

00:45:34.000 God bless you, Henry Cejudo.

00:45:36.000 God bless you.

00:45:38.000 That's terrible. 0.99

00:45:38.000 I mean, he's fucking in. 0.99

00:45:39.000 He coughed me in his way. 0.99

00:45:40.000 He's arguably, if he's not the most accomplished MMA fighter in history, he's the most accomplished combat sports athlete.

00:45:49.000 That's undeniable.

00:45:50.000 For sure, that's undeniable.

00:45:52.000 Olympic gold medalist and two-division world champion. 0.98

00:45:54.000 He can do whatever the fuck he wants. 0.98

00:45:56.000 I can do without it. 1.00

00:45:57.000 You let him wear that shirt. 0.82

00:45:58.000 You let him go crazy.

00:45:59.000 You let him do whatever he wants.

00:46:01.000 That's Henry Cejudo.

00:46:02.000 He does whatever he wants.

00:46:05.000 I think the girls are all in on it. 0.98

00:46:07.000 And I think it helps everybody because everybody's getting pumped up about it.

00:46:09.000 It's a joke.

00:46:10.000 Amanda Nunes thinks it's a joke.

00:46:12.000 She posed with them.

00:46:14.000 Valentina Shevchenko's in on it.

00:46:15.000 Yeah, they both fight him, though. 0.99

00:46:16.000 They would both fuck him up, too. 0.99

00:46:18.000 No, I'm just kidding. 0.99

00:46:20.000 You really don't want to see a 135-pound man ever fight Amanda Nunes.

00:46:25.000 You don't want to see it.

00:46:27.000 You don't want to see it.

00:46:28.000 But I'll see Amanda Nunes fight anybody else. 1.00

00:46:31.000 And I'll see Valentina Shevchenko fighting anybody else. 0.99

00:46:33.000 I mean, it would be horrible if you saw, like, a men's world champion fight a women's world champion and he fucked her up. 0.99

00:46:40.000 That would be terrible. 0.99

00:46:41.000 It would be awful.

00:46:42.000 I would never, ever want to see that.

00:46:43.000 I was offered a fight against Jermaine Durandamy once.

00:46:45.000 She's hot in a scary way. 1.00

00:46:47.000 She is.

00:46:48.000 Scary.

00:46:48.000 Valentina Shevchenko's hot in a scary way.

00:46:51.000 I don't know.

00:46:51.000 Yeah.

00:46:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:52.000 I mean that with all due confidence, or all due respect, rather.

00:46:55.000 I'm a giant fan of hers.

00:46:56.000 I think she's...

00:46:56.000 I had a conversation with Dreamkiller Bolanos.

00:47:00.000 You know Gaston Bellanos from Muay Thai and now he's fighting in Bellator.

00:47:06.000 We were talking about her and he said, I think she has the best fight IQ of anybody. 0.98

00:47:12.000 Like maybe better than anybody in the sport, man or woman.

00:47:14.000 And I was like, I can't argue with you.

00:47:16.000 Well, I mean, you watched that last fight against Liz Carmouche and I know a lot of people complained that it was a slow fight.

00:47:21.000 And this is something I realized actually during that fight.

00:47:24.000 Sometimes you need to see the whole octagon to really appreciate what's going on.

00:47:28.000 Sometimes you need to see like an elevated shot of the whole space because her ability to control that space with the threat of doing something and her ability to cut people off. 1.00

00:47:37.000 What is she doing here?

00:47:39.000 Superman punch?

00:47:40.000 She's breaking down a Superman punch. 1.00

00:47:41.000 Oh.

00:47:42.000 Yeah, see, she's hot in a scary way. 1.00

00:47:45.000 In a Bond villain kind of way.

00:47:47.000 Yeah, yeah, you're like, please.

00:47:49.000 She throws her spinning back fist differently as well, which I think there's a good reason for. 0.98

00:47:53.000 Because most people are throwing their spinning back fist with their arms straight and they're breaking their forearm.

00:47:57.000 Right.

00:47:57.000 Because when she throws it, she's throwing it with her elbow down, which means that if she hits with the forearm, it's hitting both bones.

00:48:02.000 Interesting.

00:48:03.000 And I think that's the reason she does it.

00:48:06.000 You might be right.

00:48:07.000 I mean, it makes sense.

00:48:09.000 It is harder to break the bone that way, right?

00:48:12.000 I would think so.

00:48:13.000 Is it, though?

00:48:15.000 Let me think.

00:48:16.000 Let me just think if that makes sense.

00:48:18.000 You've got to think hitting one bone is going to be weaker.

00:48:20.000 But if you block it, you want to block it with the edge.

00:48:23.000 You never want to block it like that.

00:48:24.000 Like, if you're blocking a kick, you don't want to take it like that.

00:48:27.000 That's how your arm snaps.

00:48:28.000 I wouldn't block a kick.

00:48:29.000 I would take it on my arm.

00:48:30.000 What if you have to block a kick?

00:48:31.000 What if you get stuck here?

00:48:33.000 What do you do if you get stuck here?

00:48:35.000 Yeah, but...

00:48:35.000 If the kick's coming over, I'm tucking up.

00:48:37.000 I'm taking it on the meat of my arm.

00:48:40.000 Okay.

00:48:40.000 Wherever I'm taking the kick.

00:48:42.000 Hopefully.

00:48:42.000 Hopefully, of course.

00:48:43.000 But if it hits your forearm, wouldn't you rather it hit here?

00:48:45.000 I'd rather take a forearm than a face.

00:48:47.000 For sure.

00:48:48.000 But wouldn't you rather have it hit here than here?

00:48:50.000 It seems like here's going to...

00:48:51.000 Folks who are listening, we're describing the outside blade of the bone, which would be like the edge of a 2x4 versus the flat part of a 2x4.

00:49:01.000 I think if you kick the flat part, it would break.

00:49:03.000 Whereas if you kick the edge, it probably is a little bit more durable.

00:49:06.000 Do you think?

00:49:07.000 I think so.

00:49:08.000 Someone listening knows.

00:49:09.000 Yeah, I think the problem is actually catching it flat.

00:49:13.000 It's one of those things where the size difference is so huge that that little bone is going to break.

00:49:22.000 If someone's a really good kicker, like if Francis Ngannou kicks your arm, some big giant dude with power, this part's going to break.

00:49:29.000 It's not his shin.

00:49:29.000 The shin's not going to break.

00:49:30.000 Dude, when Anthony Johnson kicked me, I felt like someone had hit me with a tree.

00:49:34.000 See, that's what they look like.

00:49:35.000 Wow, they look weird.

00:49:36.000 They don't look like what you would think they would look like.

00:49:38.000 We're looking at the bones of the forearm right now.

00:49:41.000 You have a delusional idea what your bones look like?

00:49:44.000 Yeah.

00:49:44.000 I thought they were cooler.

00:49:49.000 It's weird that that's our shape, right?

00:49:51.000 That's what keeps us together.

00:49:53.000 Just kind of all floating together. 0.97

00:49:54.000 Just weird fucking hard stuff. 0.94

00:49:56.000 Hard stuff that allows us to articulate as we move through Earth. 0.98

00:50:00.000 But then you see other animals like octopus.

00:50:03.000 No hard stuff at all.

00:50:04.000 Nothing. 0.87

00:50:04.000 Scares the shit out of me. 0.87

00:50:05.000 They're weird. 0.94

00:50:06.000 Did you see that little clip going around of the snail that had a parasite in it that the parasite took over and it's like pulsing in its eyes and the body?

00:50:15.000 Dude, you haven't seen it?

00:50:16.000 No.

00:50:17.000 Oh, you know what?

00:50:17.000 I think I saw that a long time ago.

00:50:20.000 Something really similar to that.

00:50:21.000 Now that you're saying it... 1.00

00:50:24.000 I love these goddamn things. 1.00

00:50:25.000 I love those grasshoppers that get infected with that water worm that makes them commit suicide. 1.00

00:50:31.000 Oh, dude, I have seen this.

00:50:32.000 Oh my god, this is amazing. 0.99

00:50:34.000 So this thing is inside its eye like a goddamn... 0.99

00:50:38.000 Amusement park ride. 0.99

00:50:39.000 It's trying to trick a bird to eat it because it'll repopulate inside the bird.

00:50:43.000 So it's kind of trick a bird?

00:50:45.000 Yeah, because the snail's already dead.

00:50:46.000 I think it's gone. 1.00

00:50:47.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:50:49.000 Nature, you fucking scary bitch. 1.00

00:50:51.000 We've got it pretty good in comparison to the rest of the animal kingdom. 1.00

00:50:54.000 What a tricky, weird way to propagate.

00:50:57.000 Hey, look at me.

00:50:59.000 Come on.

00:50:59.000 No, you want to eat me?

00:51:01.000 Come on.

00:51:02.000 Come and eat me. 1.00

00:51:02.000 Fucking terrifying. 1.00

00:51:03.000 So this aquatic worm, it climbs inside the grasshopper's body, and then when it's ready to be born, it makes the grasshopper commit suicide, so it can get in the water and swim away. 1.00

00:51:15.000 Literally talks the grasshopper like, come on, bitch, you're going over here. 1.00

00:51:18.000 It hijacks its physical motion, makes it jump into water and drown, and then the worm fucking comes out of it like some Stephen King movie. 0.99

00:51:28.000 What was the one with the fly? 0.97

00:51:28.000 The fly that lands on the spider and... 0.97

00:51:30.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:31.000 There's larvae inside the spider.

00:51:32.000 They eat it from the inside.

00:51:34.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 Isn't there like a tarantula hawk or something that does that?

00:51:39.000 I've stumbled across something similar that's talking about cordyceps, which we've talked about before.

00:51:45.000 Yes.

00:51:45.000 They grow on catacles.

00:51:46.000 Cicadas have domesticated that fungus.

00:51:49.000 What?

00:51:50.000 And they use it.

00:51:51.000 Yeah.

00:51:52.000 What?

00:51:53.000 Cicadas have repeatedly turned the infamous cordyceps fungi into indispensable allies.

00:52:02.000 What?

00:52:02.000 They grow it on their body?

00:52:05.000 Is that what he's doing?

00:52:06.000 That looks like an ant, but I guess it's a cicada.

00:52:09.000 Is that a cicada?

00:52:10.000 It says the relative of the zombie ant has been domesticated by cicadas.

00:52:14.000 Oh! 1.00

00:52:15.000 So they own that shit. 1.00

00:52:17.000 They're running the show. 1.00

00:52:18.000 Well, there was one thing that I saw in the cordyceps mushroom, and I don't know if it's exact.

00:52:23.000 I think there's many different strains of cordyceps mushroom.

00:52:26.000 But one, some particular fungi, might not have even been cordyceps, but I think it was.

00:52:31.000 Jesus, let me get to the story.

00:52:32.000 It infects an ant, and the other ants take it away from the colony, because they know that it's going to get to a certain point, and then it's going to explode.

00:52:40.000 So the ants will literally fill up with these spores, and then explode, and then the spores get into the sky and land on the other ants.

00:52:49.000 And they all get infected.

00:52:50.000 And they've figured that out, so they take it away from the nest.

00:52:53.000 Yeah.

00:52:53.000 Somehow or another they know.

00:52:54.000 That this fucking creepy ant is like a bomb. 1.00

00:52:57.000 It's like a dead bomb. 1.00

00:52:59.000 And inside of it, the cordyceps mushroom exploding ant rips itself apart to protect its own.

00:53:05.000 What is that?

00:53:07.000 Is this a different one?

00:53:08.000 Sounded the same.

00:53:11.000 Google worm infested by fungus.

00:53:18.000 Yeah.

00:53:19.000 Google that.

00:53:20.000 Try that.

00:53:21.000 Not worm.

00:53:22.000 Ant infested by fungus.

00:53:25.000 This is scarier than anything any humans could write.

00:53:29.000 We just don't think it's terrifying because they're little.

00:53:31.000 That's all it is. 1.00

00:53:32.000 If they get too big, we kill them. 0.67

00:53:34.000 There's no chicken-sized spiders running around my yard. 1.00

00:53:37.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:53:38.000 You're dead. 1.00

00:53:39.000 I'm not going to call scientists. 1.00

00:53:41.000 I'm going to shoot you first. 0.99

00:53:42.000 But then you've kind of got to put yourself in that circumstance. 1.00

00:53:47.000 Imagine that happening to you on that scale.

00:53:49.000 Or put yourself on that scale. 0.99

00:53:51.000 Dude, if there was cockroaches and fucking giant bugs the size of dogs running around, we would have real problems. 0.99

00:53:58.000 Real problems. 1.00

00:53:59.000 They'd go right through your fucking walls of your house, eat everything in there. 1.00

00:54:03.000 They might eat your baby. 1.00

00:54:06.000 Dude.

00:54:06.000 Why are you putting these thoughts in my head?

00:54:08.000 Scorpions and fucking spiders and black widows. 1.00

00:54:12.000 Imagine if black widows were giant. 1.00

00:54:14.000 You'd be so fucked. 1.00

00:54:15.000 Black widows the size of giraffes. 1.00

00:54:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:54:17.000 Just running around jacking people. 0.99

00:54:19.000 It would change everything about the way we lived.

00:54:21.000 Yeah, if we didn't have weapons, guess what? 0.99

00:54:23.000 All that shit would be real. 1.00

00:54:25.000 Back to caves. 1.00

00:54:26.000 Look at that.

00:54:27.000 So here it is. 0.99

00:54:27.000 So one of them gets infected and the other ones are going to carry this dude away because if they don't, he starts growing shit on his head. 0.99

00:54:34.000 It's like... 0.98

00:54:36.000 This fungus somehow or another gets into his body And it starts sprouting this mushroom out of the top of his head.

00:54:44.000 And we're looking at a slow motion version of this where you're seeing this thing sprout out of this dead ant's head.

00:54:52.000 It took three weeks.

00:54:53.000 To film this?

00:54:55.000 Yeah.

00:54:55.000 Dude, this is like a science fiction movie.

00:54:57.000 It's just they're operating on a different time scale. 0.91

00:55:00.000 But if that happened as quickly as you're watching it in this video, you'd freak the fuck out. 0.95

00:55:04.000 Are we going to see it explode? 0.78

00:55:05.000 Like, how is it growing so quick?

00:55:06.000 Is it going to explode?

00:55:07.000 Is that the grand finale?

00:55:08.000 I don't know.

00:55:10.000 I think that's the idea, though.

00:55:12.000 It explodes out of its head, is what they're sort of saying.

00:55:16.000 Oh, okay.

00:55:17.000 But I think it does blow spores.

00:55:21.000 I think some of them, yeah, see, some of them, like, fill up, and then spores blow out of them, and those spores can infect other ants.

00:55:29.000 That's why they were removing them from the colony.

00:55:31.000 If you're a biologist, I've...

00:55:33.000 I sincerely apologize for butchering all science.

00:55:36.000 That's how I stumbled across.

00:55:38.000 There are exploding ants, though.

00:55:39.000 Oh, what do they explode for?

00:55:40.000 They literally explode.

00:55:41.000 I don't know.

00:55:42.000 It's like a whole...

00:55:43.000 They explode, but their nests live to see another day.

00:55:46.000 Their abdomen's rupture.

00:55:48.000 The whole fungi...

00:55:50.000 Well, you ever see what they do with leafcutter ants?

00:55:53.000 Uh-uh.

00:55:54.000 Ugh.

00:55:55.000 So ruthless. 1.00

00:55:56.000 The women are so monstrous. 1.00

00:55:58.000 They chop off the man's arm and fuck him to death. 1.00

00:56:01.000 They chop off his arms and then they carry him away. 1.00

00:56:05.000 Yeah, they find the male.

00:56:07.000 For what purpose?

00:56:07.000 There must be a reason for it.

00:56:08.000 For breeding.

00:56:09.000 They find the male. 1.00

00:56:10.000 They say, oh, you're not going anywhere, bitch. 1.00

00:56:12.000 And they cut his arms off. 1.00

00:56:13.000 And then they bring him somewhere to fuck him. 1.00

00:56:15.000 Make sure this is true. 1.00

00:56:17.000 Please Google this.

00:56:19.000 I'm pretty sure it's true.

00:56:21.000 I watched this whole documentary.

00:56:23.000 I remember they were snipping off the arms and legs of the ant.

00:56:27.000 And then they carried him away.

00:56:29.000 Imagine. 1.00

00:56:29.000 That's fucking terrifying. 1.00

00:56:31.000 Dude, they're like, this is how we do it. 1.00

00:56:33.000 They know how to do it.

00:56:34.000 They're like, this is how we do it. 1.00

00:56:35.000 We cut off your arms and legs, then we fuck you to death. 1.00

00:56:37.000 Imagine how that changes life coaching. 1.00

00:56:39.000 Dude.

00:56:39.000 If that was the reality.

00:56:40.000 If you're a dude, right?

00:56:42.000 Because sitting around waiting for a horde of angry, egg-carrying women come charging through your door and remove your limbs. 1.00

00:56:50.000 They're terrifying enough women are. 1.00

00:56:51.000 We don't need to make them any more terrifying.

00:56:54.000 Women, humans are awesome. 1.00

00:56:56.000 But women, bugs? 1.00

00:56:58.000 That's a weird thing.

00:56:59.000 There's no love in the bug world.

00:57:01.000 No.

00:57:02.000 It's just making honey and getting chipped on.

00:57:03.000 There's something beautiful about that, though.

00:57:05.000 It's like pure.

00:57:06.000 It just keeps rolling over.

00:57:07.000 It's just, you know, it's fine.

00:57:09.000 It's rhythm. 0.99

00:57:10.000 We're the ones that make it complicated with all the other shit that we add onto it. 0.98

00:57:13.000 Well, we've made ourselves so safe and so removed from the whole cycle of life. 0.98

00:57:18.000 And that's amazing that we've done that or that somebody other than us has done that.

00:57:22.000 And then we've reaped the benefits.

00:57:24.000 But because of that, we look at the real suffering of the natural world almost like if it's preventable or if it's bad or if it's It's something we should be sad about.

00:57:35.000 But there's some really horrific things that take place, especially in the insect world, on a daily basis, that make you just go, what?

00:57:44.000 Have you ever seen those hornets that fly into the honeybee nest and behead everyone?

00:57:49.000 I have seen that.

00:57:50.000 That's terrifying.

00:57:51.000 It's like a Japanese hornet, right?

00:57:53.000 And they fly in, and just a few of them...

00:57:56.000 And they're a good size as well.

00:57:58.000 Oh, they're giant!

00:57:58.000 You wouldn't want it any bigger.

00:58:00.000 Hedge cutters for a face.

00:58:01.000 And they just come in and chop the heads off of these other honeybees. 1.00

00:58:06.000 And it's crazy to watch, man. 1.00

00:58:07.000 Because the honeybees can't do jack shit. 1.00

00:58:10.000 Just hundreds of them. 0.99

00:58:11.000 And they're just getting slaughtered.

00:58:13.000 Just thousands of them.

00:58:14.000 But then they figured out the way to kill these things is to get on top of them and bat their wings to heat up So they heat up to the point where it overheats the bee and kills it, or the hornet and kills it.

00:58:26.000 How did they figure that out?

00:58:28.000 How did they figure that out?

00:58:29.000 But that's their strategy now. 1.00

00:58:31.000 Their strategy is they swarm all over the hornet, and they just keep flapping their wings until they overheat that motherfucker. 0.99

00:58:38.000 See, that's the argument for collective consciousness. 0.99

00:58:40.000 Because, like, someone figured that out.

00:58:42.000 One of those honeybees figured that out. 1.00

00:58:44.000 And then the rest of them around the world.

00:58:47.000 I've probably started using that same tactic.

00:58:48.000 Probably, yeah.

00:58:50.000 Well, that's the Rupert Sheldrick thought.

00:58:52.000 Is that the sweet potatoes in the sand thing?

00:58:56.000 He had this theory called morphic resonance, and one of the things that he was saying was, he was talking about studies they did with rats and mazes, and then if they did a study with a rat in a maze, like on the East Coast, Rats on the West Coast,

00:59:14.000 if they went through the same maze, would get through it quicker.

00:59:17.000 So it's like they were learning from each other how to get through.

00:59:21.000 It's almost like they were sharing some sort of an understanding.

00:59:26.000 I think we're good to go.

00:59:42.000 But it also might be that we're getting some information from each other in some weird way.

00:59:48.000 We've got to be. 0.98

00:59:49.000 But we might be a little detached from it, whereas rats who are out there fucking scratching and clawing and they don't have a language, they might be completely tuned into it. 0.99

00:59:57.000 It might be the sacrifice that language... 0.97

01:00:01.000 That we made when we went with language where we lost our ability to read each other the way we used to or to read thoughts and ideas where we used to.

01:00:10.000 We rely instead on this other thing.

01:00:13.000 So it's sort of like when you wear shoes all the time, your feet get soft.

01:00:17.000 For sure.

01:00:18.000 I mean, we've done a lot of things to detach ourselves from all of that stuff.

01:00:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:22.000 And I think people like Wim Hof and Tim Sheaf and people like that that kind of go back to As far as close back to nature as they can.

01:00:32.000 They must be tuning back into something that we're lacking.

01:00:36.000 I always feel that like that.

01:00:37.000 I want to get closer to that resonance.

01:00:39.000 And I do feel like this is the study with the monkeys on the islands, the archipelago, and they drop sweet potatoes in the sand.

01:00:45.000 Have you heard this?

01:00:47.000 I think so, but go ahead.

01:00:48.000 So they dropped sweet potatoes in.

01:00:50.000 I mean, this is just a gathering of what I remember from reading the study.

01:00:55.000 But there was a series of islands all with the same species of monkey on the islands.

01:00:59.000 They dropped sweet potatoes into the sand on one island and the monkeys went over and bit into them.

01:01:04.000 And because they were covered in sand, they spat them out and left them.

01:01:07.000 Some of the younger monkeys realized that if they took them into the sea, they could wash the sand off and then they could eat the sweet potatoes.

01:01:12.000 And then when they dropped the sweet potatoes onto the successive islands, they already knew to wash them in the sea.

01:01:19.000 Oh, right.

01:01:20.000 So that's very similar to the Rupert Sheldrake thing.

01:01:22.000 That's really interesting.

01:01:24.000 Yeah, I really wonder, I mean, I really wonder how much like the human race benefits From the collective knowledge of everyone involved, not just through the internet and books and universities, but maybe even just through consciousness.

01:01:39.000 Maybe there's some element of it that's being relayed through consciousness.

01:01:43.000 See, I'm invested in it because if I have an idea, I automatically think that that idea is now available to everybody else. 0.99

01:01:49.000 So I need to jump on that shit pretty quick. 0.98

01:01:51.000 So I use it as a way of motivating myself. 1.00

01:01:54.000 Yeah, for sure, right?

01:01:56.000 And if you, you know, if you have an idea, do you ever wonder where it's coming from?

01:02:02.000 All the time.

01:02:03.000 Where is that?

01:02:04.000 All the time.

01:02:04.000 What is that?

01:02:05.000 But I've had experience, like, with mushrooms.

01:02:07.000 I used to work with mushrooms all the time.

01:02:10.000 You used to work with them?

01:02:11.000 Mushrooms, yeah.

01:02:11.000 Same office?

01:02:12.000 Yeah, same office, you know.

01:02:14.000 There were two cubicles over.

01:02:15.000 There were colleagues, you know.

01:02:17.000 And...

01:02:18.000 I didn't know mushrooms.

01:02:19.000 I worked with them.

01:02:20.000 I always felt like I was downloading stuff.

01:02:22.000 I always felt like it was being poured into my head from somewhere else.

01:02:26.000 That's just very similar.

01:02:28.000 A lot of people have very similar experiences.

01:02:31.000 So I always feel like I'm receiving it from somewhere else.

01:02:33.000 And I think that's a good way of kind of detaching myself from it, not taking ownership of it.

01:02:38.000 Yeah, Steven Pressfield wrote about that in a really unique way in The War of Art because he talked about how just showing up and counting on the muse, like thinking about the muse as a real thing, you know, the muse has always been like some, the idea is like something's coming to you with these ideas,

01:02:54.000 something like, something magical, right?

01:02:56.000 And so I think his idea is to treat it like it is magical and respect it and to show up every day at work at the same time And summon the muse.

01:03:06.000 And then if you just do that with discipline and you act as a professional, all this stuff comes to you.

01:03:12.000 Where does it come from?

01:03:13.000 Well, let's just say it comes from the muse.

01:03:15.000 It might not.

01:03:16.000 Let's just say it does.

01:03:17.000 Treat it like it does.

01:03:18.000 And it works out.

01:03:19.000 It's one of those weird ones, whereas if you pretend it's magic, it kind of works like magic.

01:03:25.000 But if you just analyze it, these are just neurons firing in my brain.

01:03:29.000 The collective work of all these other people that I've ever experienced in movies and literature, they're all feeling through me, so let's not get carried away about the pretentiousness of creativity.

01:03:39.000 It might be pretentious.

01:03:40.000 It might be pretentious to think that way.

01:03:41.000 But you might be open to the idea that let's just pretend that it's magic.

01:03:47.000 Let's just pretend.

01:03:48.000 Just trick yourself into thinking that it's magic and then operate like it's magic.

01:03:52.000 But then give it the respect as if it's like, you know, piss off a wizard because you show up late.

01:03:57.000 Right?

01:03:58.000 Show up on time.

01:03:59.000 Do it and treat it like you respect it.

01:04:01.000 Yeah.

01:04:02.000 And it keeps you humble.

01:04:03.000 It keeps you appreciative.

01:04:05.000 Yeah, I would say so.

01:04:06.000 I like that theory.

01:04:07.000 It's not a bad theory, but it's got a lot of holes in it.

01:04:09.000 I'm sure a smarter person than us can shoot it right down.

01:04:14.000 What do you...

01:04:15.000 I know how much you've talked about this, but you and I have talked about it that you've been thinking about fighting again.

01:04:22.000 Where are you at with that right now?

01:04:25.000 Right now, what I'm going to do is I'm going to get back in the USADA testing pool.

01:04:29.000 I have to be in the pool for four months.

01:04:31.000 And then once I'm in the pool for four months, then I have the option to fight if I choose to.

01:04:36.000 You're going to be the first guy they test for mushrooms.

01:04:38.000 For sure.

01:04:39.000 You're going to have a new mushroom test.

01:04:40.000 Absolutely.

01:04:42.000 I'll be a happy test pilot for that.

01:04:44.000 I don't mind that at all.

01:04:46.000 Yeah.

01:04:46.000 No, I mean, so I've got to do four months because I never officially retired.

01:04:49.000 And so the whole thing, show up at six in the morning, you've got to pee in a cup, pick your blood?

01:04:54.000 Yeah.

01:04:54.000 The problem is I'm on the road all the time.

01:04:56.000 And this is a conversation I've had with Jeff Nowitzki is because, like, I can't give them, like, I don't know exactly how it works, but as far as I know, you have to give them, like, three addresses that these are the places that you're most likely going to be at.

01:05:07.000 And if you're not at any of those places, you have to let them know where you are.

01:05:11.000 Wow, so what if you're leaving your hotel to go to a pub?

01:05:14.000 You have to tell them?

01:05:15.000 Well, if you're within an hour of the place, they give you like an hour or two to get back to one of those addresses.

01:05:20.000 I know, I mean...

01:05:22.000 What if you're on the hottest of all hot dates?

01:05:24.000 Jesus Christ, USADA! Davitsky, you cock-blocking asshole. 1.00

01:05:29.000 I'm out here trying to get my freak on with this wonderful lady, trying to check my pee at four in the morning. 1.00

01:05:34.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:05:36.000 I don't mind that. 0.99

01:05:37.000 But I'm going to get back in the pool.

01:05:39.000 That seems outrageous.

01:05:39.000 And then, you know, my options are open.

01:05:41.000 It would be really nice if there was a way where they could...

01:05:45.000 I mean, I'm talking crazy. 1.00

01:05:47.000 Really, I should shut the fuck up because now I'm thinking it's creepy because I'm thinking like transhumanist shit. 1.00

01:05:52.000 I'm like, maybe they just have a chip in you. 1.00

01:05:53.000 Like, all the time.

01:05:54.000 And you just upload every day.

01:05:56.000 They know, hey, look at that.

01:05:57.000 Dan Hardy hasn't done anything.

01:05:59.000 Everything's good.

01:06:00.000 Vitamin B's a little high, but that's water-soluble.

01:06:02.000 That's a bit much.

01:06:03.000 That's a bit much.

01:06:04.000 I know.

01:06:04.000 It's too much.

01:06:04.000 I need to be paid a lot more to have a chip inserted.

01:06:06.000 I know.

01:06:06.000 100%.

01:06:07.000 It's a stupid idea. 1.00

01:06:08.000 What is the price on that, though? 1.00

01:06:11.000 Imagine if there was no price and if you had to get a new chip, if you fought for a Bellator, and then there was problems turning off your old chip. 0.97

01:06:17.000 Because it was like, if you get an iPhone and you try to switch to Android, good fucking luck, Cupcake. 0.94

01:06:22.000 They're going to ruin you with those iMessages. 0.99

01:06:25.000 You're not going to get half your messages. 1.00

01:06:26.000 You're all going to be all fucked up. 0.98

01:06:28.000 So you're going to have to figure out a way to switch it over. 0.99

01:06:30.000 So what if when you move over to Bellator, you get one of those Bellator chips.

01:06:33.000 The UFC's chip cancels out the Bellator chip.

01:06:36.000 Everybody gets mad.

01:06:37.000 The 1FC chip would definitely be way different, too.

01:06:39.000 The 1FC chip gives you steroids.

01:06:41.000 It just shoots them right into you.

01:06:44.000 You got the old pride chip in there that keeps switching on every now and then. 0.96

01:06:47.000 Okay, all bullshit aside, but what if there was, like, we know that testosterone levels, just in natural human beings, it's not fair, right? 0.89

01:06:57.000 They're not fair. 0.96

01:06:58.000 They're not evenly distributed.

01:07:00.000 There's some people that are high testosterone, and there's some people that are lower testosterone.

01:07:04.000 And it doesn't necessarily correlate with success, but it's pretty high.

01:07:09.000 It's probably pretty high correlation with success.

01:07:11.000 There's something there, right?

01:07:13.000 What if there was a way where they would put everybody at the same level electronically?

01:07:19.000 They just put this little...

01:07:21.000 What's going on is your adrenal glands and your endocrine system are not firing correctly.

01:07:27.000 So what we'll do is give your DNA the signal to ramp up its production of testosterone by 170%.

01:07:34.000 I don't like it.

01:07:35.000 So you crank it up.

01:07:36.000 It makes your body do it.

01:07:38.000 It makes your body crank up your growth hormone, your thyroid.

01:07:41.000 Everything is perfect.

01:07:42.000 So everyone fights at a perfect level.

01:07:45.000 Everyone fights at whatever the number is.

01:07:48.000 But that's natural selection playing out in MMA. I like that natural variance.

01:07:53.000 Some people have got naturally heavy hands.

01:07:55.000 Some people are naturally stronger than others.

01:07:57.000 Some people have got more testosterone than others.

01:07:58.000 It's a natural advantage which I like to see play out.

01:08:02.000 I do too. 0.99

01:08:02.000 My idea sucks. 0.99

01:08:04.000 It's a terrible idea. 0.99

01:08:05.000 But how long before we see some sort of physical equality wanting to be implemented?

01:08:12.000 We'd have to have a different league.

01:08:14.000 I think that's one of the reasons why I'm so opposed to the idea that everyone is the same.

01:08:21.000 That there's something good about everyone being the same.

01:08:25.000 We're clearly not the same at all.

01:08:29.000 And some people, when you run into certain dudes, like Alistair Overeem, you're like, oh, okay, you're from another planet. 0.97

01:08:35.000 Look at the fucking size of you, how strong that dude is. 0.99

01:08:38.000 Especially when he fought Brock Lesnar, you're like, okay, what fucking planet are you from, man? 1.00

01:08:42.000 Because you're not from planet where I'm from. 0.99

01:08:44.000 You're so ridiculously powerful.

01:08:47.000 And there's other people that just, they're not.

01:08:50.000 They're marathon runners.

01:08:51.000 They weigh 130 pounds.

01:08:52.000 They're never going to be any bigger than that.

01:08:54.000 This is not even.

01:08:55.000 This is not even.

01:08:56.000 Some people are Tyson Fury.

01:08:58.000 Some people are me.

01:09:00.000 Some people are Brock Lesnar.

01:09:02.000 Some people are you.

01:09:03.000 It's not even.

01:09:04.000 It's just weird.

01:09:05.000 People wear a weird conglomeration of shapes.

01:09:09.000 But then the thing is, if it was completely even across the board, then there would be an opportunity for one person to be completely superior to everybody else.

01:09:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:17.000 Whereas with the natural selection, you're never going to get Brock Lesnar winning marathons.

01:09:21.000 So he can always appreciate a marathon runner and what they can do.

01:09:25.000 True.

01:09:26.000 That's true.

01:09:26.000 Keeps everyone humble.

01:09:27.000 Well, it definitely shows you that there's merits to all sorts of different shapes and sizes, like particularly marathon runners, right?

01:09:34.000 If you want to be able to go somewhere and stay alive, you have to keep moving.

01:09:38.000 It's one of the benefits.

01:09:39.000 One of the things that I think inherently we respect about marathon runners is they can keep running, and we know we can't keep running.

01:09:47.000 So why do you run?

01:09:48.000 You run to get away from things or to chase things?

01:09:50.000 Well, what if you're chasing something and you get tired?

01:09:52.000 What if you're running away from something and you get tired?

01:09:54.000 They don't get tired.

01:09:55.000 That's admirable.

01:09:56.000 Like, it locks into our...

01:09:57.000 It's a part of your psyche.

01:09:59.000 Yeah.

01:10:00.000 I've always felt like the optimal, like, fight condition for, like, a lifelong martial artist is to find that balance between all of those things.

01:10:07.000 So you've got, you know, an equal balance of everything.

01:10:11.000 You don't excel at one particular thing.

01:10:13.000 You know, like, you get these martial artists that are just, you know, these juiced up monsters.

01:10:17.000 Right, right.

01:10:18.000 Like, I can see a glaring weakness in your technique already because I know it's finite.

01:10:23.000 I know it's going to run out.

01:10:24.000 And then I look at somebody else who's focused entirely on technique and they've got no muscle mass and no physicality to them.

01:10:31.000 And I'm like, well, I can see the glaring weakness in your technique because you're going to struggle to apply it.

01:10:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:36.000 So it's like finding that Goldilocks zone, that beautiful balance in the middle.

01:10:41.000 Yeah, where is that zone?

01:10:42.000 I don't know.

01:10:42.000 I've been searching for it for my whole life.

01:10:44.000 It's different with different styles, but here's one thing I can tell you.

01:10:47.000 Other than 145 pounds and 185 pounds, every single weight class is dominated by a wrestler.

01:10:58.000 Stop and think about that.

01:11:00.000 Henry Cejudo, 125 and 135. Then at 145, Max Holloway.

01:11:05.000 That's one weight class. 0.93

01:11:06.000 Then you go to 55, Khabib motherfucking Nurmagomedov, who's one of the scariest grapplers in the sport. 0.99

01:11:12.000 You go up to 70, Kamaru Usman and Colby Covington, two fucking beast grapplers. 0.99

01:11:18.000 Yep. 0.97

01:11:18.000 You go up to 85, you got the exception. 0.97

01:11:20.000 That's Robert Whittaker.

01:11:21.000 But guess what?

01:11:22.000 I thought he lost against Joel Romero in the second fight.

01:11:25.000 I thought Romero beat him.

01:11:25.000 Last three rounds.

01:11:26.000 I thought Romero beat him.

01:11:28.000 And Robert Whittaker, I'm a giant fan of his. 0.99

01:11:30.000 I think he's fucking amazing. 0.96

01:11:31.000 And he epitomizes, to me, the best of all well-rounded capabilities. 0.98

01:11:37.000 His takedown defense is excellent.

01:11:39.000 He's a great striker.

01:11:41.000 He's accurate.

01:11:42.000 He's got knockout power.

01:11:43.000 He's got everything.

01:11:44.000 I just felt like in that second fight, It just seemed to me that Yoel had done enough to win.

01:11:49.000 But I'm open to an argument against that.

01:11:52.000 It was not egregious, like an awful decision where you're disgusted by it.

01:11:57.000 It was like, ooh, I think that one I'd have to go and watch it again.

01:12:00.000 But I think you would make a real good argument that Yoel was the only one that hurt him.

01:12:03.000 And he hurt him a couple of times, particularly in the second fight.

01:12:06.000 Yeah.

01:12:06.000 I think I had the last three rounds to Yoel in that fight.

01:12:09.000 He's always a slow starter.

01:12:10.000 People always think that he's...

01:12:12.000 You know, people always have got this perspective on him that he's this really, really fast starter.

01:12:16.000 He's very explosive and stuff.

01:12:17.000 But he doesn't.

01:12:18.000 He just kind of lulls you in with that slow style.

01:12:21.000 Sneaks on you and then explodes.

01:12:23.000 And then goes.

01:12:23.000 And he's so scary that you don't know what to do when he's lulling.

01:12:26.000 Because when he's lulling you, you don't want to attack him because he's so fucking fast. 0.82

01:12:30.000 You know, that guy, when he landed that flying knee on Chris Wybin, I was like, Jesus Christ, he's such a freak athlete, man.

01:12:38.000 So, okay, that's 85. Robert Whitaker, let's call him one of two exceptions.

01:12:43.000 What about the female weight classes? 1.00

01:12:45.000 Well, let's get done with the male first, because the female's a different animal, right? 1.00

01:12:50.000 205, John Jones.

01:12:51.000 Yep.

01:12:52.000 Heavyweight Daniel Cormier. 0.99

01:12:54.000 I mean, that is fucking crazy. 0.97

01:12:56.000 If you wanted to ask someone, hey, my kid's thinking about becoming a mixed martial arts fighter, what discipline do you think you'd start with first? 0.98

01:13:05.000 It's either a traditional martial arts where you learn how to kick when you're real little and you just learn a lot of flashy kicks because you'll carry that with you.

01:13:13.000 And you'll develop leg dexterity, but then wrestling.

01:13:16.000 For sure wrestling.

01:13:17.000 Because if you're a dominant wrestler, that advantage, if you're real similar in everything else, but you're dominant in wrestling, you're going to be able to control the clinch.

01:13:26.000 You're going to be able to get the guy down.

01:13:27.000 You're going to be able to do things to them.

01:13:28.000 And you see it.

01:13:30.000 It might not be the most glamorous way to win fights.

01:13:33.000 Sometimes people get upset that someone takes someone down and just kind of hits them while they're down.

01:13:37.000 But guess what?

01:13:38.000 They're hitting them.

01:13:38.000 And they're doing something to that person that person doesn't want to be done.

01:13:42.000 And maybe it's not the most exciting thing for you to watch, but as someone who respects what the sport is supposed to be all about, what can this guy do to that guy? 0.99

01:13:52.000 Well, that guy can take you down and punch you in the fucking face, and you can't do anything about it. 0.99

01:13:55.000 And even if you get up and you say, I'm not hurt. 1.00

01:13:57.000 Okay, well, you never got up, though.

01:13:58.000 This is a viable, legitimate way to win fights.

01:14:02.000 And the guys who can smash from the top, they're the most scary proposition.

01:14:06.000 Because you can't get up. 1.00

01:14:07.000 You can't get up and Khabib's on there talking shit to you. 1.00

01:14:10.000 Going, come on, talk now. 1.00

01:14:11.000 Boom! 0.99

01:14:11.000 Talk now. 0.99

01:14:12.000 Boom! 0.99

01:14:13.000 Terrifying, right?

01:14:14.000 Because you can't get him off you.

01:14:16.000 See, for me, I've kind of started to change my perspective.

01:14:19.000 Because everybody you speak to kind of divides MMA into the grappling arts, the ground arts, jiu-jitsu.

01:14:26.000 Wrestling and then the striking arts, like loosely into three categories.

01:14:31.000 But I don't see wrestling as a part of that.

01:14:34.000 I see wrestling as like, that's the foundation.

01:14:36.000 That's the glue that holds everything together.

01:14:38.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

01:14:38.000 So I think, like when you watch a fight where someone is winning with just wrestling and very little else, that's a boring fight because it's not a fight.

01:14:46.000 That's a wrestling match. 1.00

01:14:47.000 The wrestling is the thing that enables you to utilize the submissions or the striking.

01:14:52.000 And there's something instinctively about us.

01:14:54.000 Whenever there's a fight where they're just wrestling or there's someone just dominating the top position and not using it at all, the fans get restless.

01:15:02.000 They start to boo because they feel like they're being robbed of what they came to see.

01:15:06.000 And that's my only criticism when it comes to wrestling is to use just wrestling.

01:15:12.000 Like, you've got to understand that that is the foundation, that's the glue that you bolt everything else onto.

01:15:17.000 So that's why Khabib's so good, because he uses wrestling to put people in a position where he can beat them up.

01:15:22.000 Or, I mean, Chuck Liddell, he used his wrestling to keep people in a position where he could knock them out.

01:15:26.000 But wrestling, that's the glue. 0.92

01:15:29.000 That's the part, you know.

01:15:30.000 And what's beautiful about Cejudo is that he's...

01:15:32.000 Instead of having a method of wrestling, he has principles of wrestling.

01:15:37.000 He understands how to break a body down.

01:15:40.000 I understand that from a striking perspective and it's taken me years to start to see that from a grappling perspective as well.

01:15:48.000 Training with the old 10th Planet guys and stuff, they had quite a...

01:15:51.000 What's the best way of putting it?

01:15:56.000 An instinctive understanding of how to break down and control a human body based on the techniques that Eddie had developed.

01:16:02.000 It took me ages to kind of start to figure out that it's not like...

01:16:06.000 I'm not trying to learn techniques to do that.

01:16:08.000 I've got to understand the principle of it to break it down.

01:16:10.000 And to watch Cejudo chain things together against Demetrius Johnson.

01:16:14.000 You know, go for the inside reap and then Demetrius Johnson steps out so he ankle picks him in the same process.

01:16:19.000 Like, the principle instead of the method is a beautiful thing to watch.

01:16:23.000 There's also the mental toughness aspect of wrestling that I think is undeniable.

01:16:27.000 For sure.

01:16:27.000 It teaches you how to be super uncomfortable at an early age.

01:16:31.000 And there's something about that uncomfortable grind that if you can get through that and make that normal for you, you could get through almost anything.

01:16:38.000 And these guys, you see them, like, perfect example, Cejudo versus Marlon Marais.

01:16:44.000 Marlon Marais is lighting him on fire in that first round.

01:16:46.000 It looked terrifying.

01:16:47.000 It looked like Henry's in real danger of being KO'd by a far superior striker.

01:16:51.000 I mean, Marlon looked huge.

01:16:54.000 He looked like a beast.

01:16:55.000 He's hitting with these horrific leg kicks. 1.00

01:16:57.000 But that motherfucker never skipped a beat. 1.00

01:16:59.000 He just fired back up for the second round. 1.00

01:17:01.000 Here we go, bitch. 1.00

01:17:02.000 I'm right in your face. 1.00

01:17:03.000 It was crazy.

01:17:04.000 You watch how tough he is.

01:17:05.000 Yeah, the second DJ fight.

01:17:07.000 But to see him come back and start dominating Marais in the second round was almost like, what has happened?

01:17:12.000 Has someone put something in Marlon's drink? 0.88

01:17:14.000 It's like, no, Cehudo's just so goddamn tough, he discourages you. 0.75

01:17:18.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:17:19.000 He freaks people out.

01:17:20.000 I think a lot of people canceled him out the second fight against Demetrius Johnson with the calf kicks.

01:17:25.000 When he KO'd Wilson Hayes, I was like, wait a minute.

01:17:28.000 Like, now he looks like a karate master? 0.99

01:17:30.000 Like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

01:17:31.000 Like, he was fighting like a karate guy and lighting Wilson up. 1.00

01:17:34.000 And I was like, this is crazy.

01:17:36.000 And I was like, okay, this, like when we're talking about Vitor learning kicks late in his career, this is just a super athlete.

01:17:42.000 This is what it is.

01:17:43.000 And maybe the best super athlete we've ever had in the sport.

01:17:46.000 Arguably, when we think about his physical accomplishments of going from Olympic gold medalist in wrestling, then he went golden gloves boxing.

01:17:54.000 You know that whole story about him living in the gym after he won the gold medal?

01:17:57.000 Really?

01:17:58.000 Won the gold medal in the Olympics.

01:17:59.000 This is from Will Harris.

01:18:00.000 Will Harris told me this. 0.98

01:18:02.000 I think there's a video about it from Will Harris Productions, but he won the fucking gold medal in the Olympics and then immersed himself in boxing and was living in a fucking boxing gym and sleeping in a boxing gym after winning the gold medal in the Olympics. 0.99

01:18:17.000 Just drive! 1.00

01:18:19.000 That motherfucker's got blinders on. 1.00

01:18:21.000 He's just going for it. 1.00

01:18:22.000 Working out some demons.

01:18:23.000 There's some demons in there that he's working.

01:18:25.000 Whatever it is, keep working him out.

01:18:28.000 I love it.

01:18:29.000 I love watching these extreme outliers, like guys who can do things like that.

01:18:34.000 And you know Luke Thomas, right?

01:18:36.000 Luke Thomas had a really interesting take on it that I really appreciated and agreed with.

01:18:41.000 He said, you've got to remember that Cejudo, early in his career, wasn't consistent.

01:18:46.000 He was missing weight.

01:18:47.000 He didn't have the best performances.

01:18:50.000 He didn't have the same focus.

01:18:52.000 And then...

01:18:57.000 We're good to go.

01:19:12.000 So, ridiculously scientifically monitored testing of everything he does.

01:19:17.000 His workload is...

01:19:18.000 Neuroforce 1. Neuroforce 1. So, like, there's fucking scientists working with him.

01:19:23.000 So scientists and elite trainers and wrestling coaches and kickboxing coaches. 0.99

01:19:27.000 And then all of a sudden he emerges as this murderer, right? 0.99

01:19:30.000 Like, you see when he blasted away T.J. Dillshaw, you're like, holy shit! 0.99

01:19:34.000 Like, this Henry Cejudo is a different person. 0.95

01:19:38.000 Than what you saw at the beginning of his career.

01:19:41.000 He's adaptable.

01:19:42.000 He's so adaptable.

01:19:43.000 He's amazing, man.

01:19:45.000 And that's the thing that's beautiful about it as well.

01:19:47.000 He's not only adapted from one sport to another, but you can see how his style has adapted as a martial artist as well.

01:19:53.000 He's still getting better.

01:19:55.000 I guarantee you getting lit up by Marlon Marais in the first round is going to turn him into a better kickboxer.

01:20:01.000 For sure.

01:20:01.000 Because he knows what someone did to him.

01:20:03.000 He knows, like, wow, Jesus Christ, this guy could keep this up.

01:20:07.000 But he wilted under that pressure. 1.00

01:20:09.000 That fucking psycho wrestler pressure. 1.00

01:20:13.000 That's real shit, man. 1.00

01:20:14.000 That's Khabib pressure. 1.00

01:20:16.000 That's Henry Cejudo pressure. 0.91

01:20:17.000 Those psycho wrestlers.

01:20:18.000 And you can only get that from grind.

01:20:20.000 You can only get that from forcing yourself through those hours on the mat.

01:20:24.000 You can't build that any other way.

01:20:25.000 And if you stop and you take some time off, that muscle weakens.

01:20:30.000 You need to start building that strength back up again.

01:20:31.000 You're calcifying your feelings. 1.00

01:20:34.000 You're just becoming a psychopath. 0.98

01:20:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:20:37.000 The best ones when they're in there, man.

01:20:39.000 They might as well be a wolf.

01:20:40.000 They just plow forward.

01:20:42.000 Calcified your feelings.

01:20:43.000 Yeah.

01:20:43.000 I like it.

01:20:44.000 There's like a primal breakthrough that you could see in some great fights where it's almost like they're down to just...

01:20:54.000 It's animal and technique.

01:20:56.000 Just animal and technique, no more person.

01:20:58.000 It's just savagery.

01:21:00.000 Just wild exchanges and savagery.

01:21:03.000 And one guy trying to finish the other guy, and they're both getting rocked. 0.99

01:21:06.000 You're like, holy fuck, this could go any way. 0.98

01:21:08.000 And even as people that appreciate the technique, there's still something instinctive about that as we watch it. 0.99

01:21:13.000 We're like...

01:21:15.000 That primal feeling against your heart racing.

01:21:17.000 It makes everybody so excited. 0.98

01:21:18.000 When you see a fucking wild, crazy war, everybody gets fired up. 0.99

01:21:22.000 Like Adesanya. 0.99

01:21:25.000 Like Adesanya, Calvin Gaslam. 0.99

01:21:28.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:21:29.000 That is the epitome of one of those fights. 0.99

01:21:31.000 What about Mike Perry?

01:21:33.000 Did you see that?

01:21:34.000 Yes!

01:21:34.000 Dude, that's another one.

01:21:37.000 Jesus Christ! 1.00

01:21:38.000 His fucking nose was like a broken fire hydrant, just spraying blood all over the back, and he still didn't tap. 1.00

01:21:45.000 And some people think he still won the fight. 1.00

01:21:47.000 Yeah.

01:21:48.000 What do you think?

01:21:49.000 I have to go watch it again and try to score it.

01:21:51.000 I think whenever it was a close fight, sometimes I like the way a certain type of fighter, the way I prefer...

01:22:11.000 I think?

01:22:21.000 But I think it's debatable, especially if it's 50-50.

01:22:24.000 It's like two and a half minutes down, two and a half minutes up.

01:22:26.000 Well, what happened in those two and a half minutes downs?

01:22:28.000 Yes, you held position, but did you get it back from what that guy was doing to you in the first two and a half minutes when he was chopping at your legs and kicking you in the body?

01:22:38.000 I don't know where to score that.

01:22:40.000 And I think it's not really clear.

01:22:43.000 It's too subjective.

01:22:45.000 No, it's all opinion-based, really.

01:22:48.000 It's down to the interpretation of the person watching, and this is how your own personal life experiences come into play.

01:22:53.000 If you're a sport jiu-jitsu guy, you're going to see it different to a boxing coach or something like that.

01:22:58.000 And the other thing as well, when it comes to the stats, and you look at the total strikes landed, significant strikes landed, I always argue some strikes are far more significant than others.

01:23:08.000 Like, if you land 50 significant strikes in a round, sorry, in a fight, and someone lands 10 significant strikes, but those 10 significant strikes blow your eye up, break your nose, knock you down one time, it doesn't matter what the other significant strikes did if they weren't as significant.

01:23:24.000 And I think, like, with the Mike Perry-Vicente Luque fight, I would say that that knee was probably the most significant strike of the fight.

01:23:32.000 So I'm going to weigh that so much heavier.

01:23:37.000 Yeah, I 100% agree with you.

01:23:39.000 I think we're living in this compromise of the 10-point must system that we don't have to be.

01:23:45.000 What about the way that Pride used to do it, where they would score the person finishing stronger as heavier?

01:23:50.000 Because that's another argument that comes in.

01:23:52.000 If you look at Mike Perry at the end of that third round, you go...

01:23:55.000 Fourth round, fifth round, he's got nothing left.

01:23:57.000 That nose is a mess.

01:23:59.000 So then I think instinctively I do that.

01:24:01.000 And I try not to.

01:24:02.000 I do try and score it per round.

01:24:04.000 But I think instinctively if somebody finishes stronger, which again, Joel Romero against Robert Whittaker the second time around, he finished stronger than Whittaker quite obviously.

01:24:14.000 And I think that people naturally lean towards the person that is...

01:24:17.000 They've overcome the hump at the start of the fight.

01:24:19.000 It's almost like you've got a round or two.

01:24:21.000 You can kind of forgive the person before they take over.

01:24:25.000 Right.

01:24:25.000 Well, here's a perfect example.

01:24:26.000 The first round with Liz Karmuch and Valentina Shevchenko. 0.50

01:24:29.000 That was a fairly uneventful round in terms of significant strikes landed, in terms of anybody establishing any dominance.

01:24:37.000 You just got to see Valentina dealing with the movement and advancing and landing a little bit more than Liz, but that's it. 1.00

01:24:43.000 Not much, right?

01:24:44.000 But that's a 10-9 round. 0.95

01:24:46.000 But how could a round where they're scrapping and they're going at each other, but no one gets knocked down, but it's a fucking wild, chaotic, crazy round. 0.85

01:24:52.000 How can that also be a 10-9 round? 0.93

01:24:54.000 Yeah, I hear you.

01:24:55.000 I hear you.

01:24:56.000 But that's where people's perspective of fights can sometimes lean one way.

01:25:02.000 Because if someone has a really, really big last round, but they've lost the first two, people are not seeing it as three sections of a fight to be scored.

01:25:10.000 If one person's two rounds ahead, sometimes, like I was saying instinctively, if someone has a strong round, you score towards that person because it was more impactful what they did to their opponent.

01:25:21.000 So if you take someone down and control them and hold them, even if you do that for four minutes of a round, but for one minute of that round you get lit up against the fence, I'm always going to go towards the person that was doing the lighting up because that was more significant and more impactful on me as a viewer.

01:25:36.000 If I'm choosing a tribal leader, I'm going for the guy that had the one minute of success on the feet as opposed to the guy that was holding him down for four. 0.99

01:25:43.000 Yeah, unless the guy who holds him down eventually mountains him like from Game of Thrones and crushes his fucking head with his thumb through his eyeballs. 0.99

01:25:51.000 That was terrifying. 0.99

01:25:52.000 That was terrifying.

01:25:54.000 Yeah, I see your point, I guess.

01:25:57.000 But I think for sure there should be another category of impactful strikes.

01:26:04.000 Instead of just significant strikes and total strikes, there should probably be rocked.

01:26:09.000 He got rocked.

01:26:11.000 Your legs go, and you're covering up.

01:26:15.000 But then is a knockdown automatically a 10-8 round?

01:26:17.000 No.

01:26:18.000 I don't think 10-8 is right.

01:26:20.000 I don't think 10 is right.

01:26:21.000 I think we should have a comprehensive system that recognizes the fact that there's near submissions, there's a leg kick that barely touches, and there's a leg kick that cripples your leg.

01:26:31.000 They should be scored differently.

01:26:33.000 We should have actual numbers that are attributed to these things.

01:26:37.000 If we want to have an accumulation of things at the end, how much should we count total strikes?

01:26:42.000 How much should we count submission attempts?

01:26:44.000 How much should we count near submission attempts?

01:26:46.000 What about submission attempts where you're literally saved by the bell, which does happen, right? 0.97

01:26:51.000 You're literally locked up, ready to fucking tap. 0.94

01:26:56.000 Jen's pulled with BJ Penn. 0.99

01:26:57.000 That's the first one.

01:26:58.000 That's a good one.

01:26:58.000 That's a good one that comes to mind.

01:26:59.000 I was going to go with Dylan Danis' first MMA fight.

01:27:02.000 Okay.

01:27:04.000 Wasn't the first one?

01:27:05.000 Didn't he lock up a darse and the guy got out of it and then he caught him with a darse in the second round? 0.99

01:27:09.000 Is that what happened?

01:27:09.000 Am I misconstruing him with somebody else?

01:27:12.000 I don't remember.

01:27:13.000 But it's that.

01:27:14.000 What I'm going with is... 1.00

01:27:16.000 There's moments where you go, this guy is fucked. 0.99

01:27:19.000 And then the buzzer rings. 0.99

01:27:21.000 And you're like, oh, he survived.

01:27:22.000 But let's see what happens if he comes back.

01:27:24.000 I want to say it's Dylan Dennis, but now I'm questioning myself.

01:27:27.000 I've seen too many fights.

01:27:29.000 Yeah.

01:27:30.000 So what about if they're knocked and rocked right at the end of the fight?

01:27:34.000 Like Frankie Edgar against Grey Maynard first round.

01:27:37.000 That's interesting too.

01:27:38.000 How much is that worth?

01:27:40.000 Right?

01:27:41.000 Imagine if the corner had an opportunity to add an extra minute to the round.

01:27:45.000 Extra minute.

01:27:46.000 Go.

01:27:47.000 God.

01:27:48.000 Well, how about with K1 or Glory?

01:27:50.000 When they get to three rounds, if it's a draw, they go, one more round! 1.00

01:27:54.000 Everybody goes, fuck! 1.00

01:27:56.000 I love it. 1.00

01:27:57.000 They thought it was over.

01:27:58.000 You're going to sit back and rest.

01:28:00.000 Right.

01:28:00.000 Pushes the fighters to be more decisive, though, in the first three rounds.

01:28:04.000 Yes.

01:28:05.000 Did Dylan Dennis win his first fight in the first round or second round?

01:28:08.000 Wow. 0.97

01:28:09.000 Okay, so I'm dumb. 0.97

01:28:11.000 So the first one was a leg lock. 0.94

01:28:14.000 Yes.

01:28:15.000 So it wasn't him. 1.00

01:28:16.000 It was somebody that landed a fucking darse, like a sick darse, at the end of the first round. 0.99

01:28:21.000 And I want to say it wasn't in Bellator. 0.99

01:28:24.000 Now that I think about it, it was in the UFC. That was a leglock.

01:28:26.000 Dylan Dennis, who's the top of the food chain jiu-jitsu practitioner. 0.99

01:28:31.000 There's so many guys that if you're going to go to the ground with a guy like that, you're in some deep shit. 0.99

01:28:36.000 For sure. 1.00

01:28:37.000 He's fucking dangerous. 1.00

01:28:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:38.000 He's out in New York at the moment. 1.00

01:28:40.000 My YouTube guys are out there videoing with him.

01:28:43.000 He's...

01:28:43.000 In a real good place.

01:28:45.000 His interview was fascinating.

01:28:46.000 He's a lot more...

01:28:48.000 People see the bravado.

01:28:50.000 I think he's great.

01:28:51.000 I think he's a very down-to-earth guy.

01:28:54.000 And I think he's just on a journey.

01:28:57.000 I think he's with the Meow Brothers at the moment. 0.91

01:28:59.000 Oh, it was Montel Jackson?

01:29:01.000 No, I don't think so.

01:29:02.000 That's first round Darce?

01:29:04.000 I don't think that's it because... 0.99

01:29:05.000 God damn it. 0.98

01:29:07.000 Now that it wasn't... 0.99

01:29:08.000 I know it wasn't Dylan Dance. 0.98

01:29:09.000 I'm trying to say, what fucking jujitsu guy was it that slapped on a Darce and then finished it the next round, finished it with a Darce? 0.98

01:29:17.000 Maybe it was Ferguson. 0.99

01:29:21.000 It's not going to...

01:29:22.000 This is not going to work.

01:29:24.000 I'm never going to remember now because it's fairly recent.

01:29:27.000 But there's, you know... 0.98

01:29:30.000 When someone's locked up, we've gotten way off track, but my point was if someone's locked up in a submission and the buzzer ends, you know that guy was fucked. 1.00

01:29:38.000 He was fucked. 0.99

01:29:39.000 He was turning purple and then the buzzer rings. 1.00

01:29:41.000 And your guy has to let go and you're like, ooh.

01:29:44.000 Is that a 10-8?

01:29:44.000 That should be worth a lot.

01:29:46.000 10-7.

01:29:47.000 I don't know, man.

01:29:47.000 It's like you're a couple seconds away from death.

01:29:50.000 Yeah.

01:29:50.000 That seems like it should be worth a lot.

01:29:52.000 You trying to find it for me?

01:29:54.000 Who is it?

01:29:55.000 It says Woodley drops Till, scores second round Dar's choke.

01:29:58.000 No, no.

01:29:58.000 That was one of the most obvious Dar's chokes you'll ever see.

01:30:03.000 Woodley just smushed him.

01:30:04.000 Yeah.

01:30:05.000 He smushed him. 0.98

01:30:06.000 He's so goddamn strong that you could see that darts coming a mile away, and he's not stopping it. 0.99

01:30:12.000 He just ran that fucking arm through and clamped it on his bicep and crushed him. 0.99

01:30:17.000 I mean, he didn't try to be sneaky with it. 1.00

01:30:19.000 He was just dominant with it.

01:30:20.000 That's a great example of the top of the...

01:30:25.000 Who's that?

01:30:26.000 Dennis Bermudez.

01:30:27.000 Remains perfect with first-round darts.

01:30:29.000 I do not.

01:30:31.000 How long ago was this?

01:30:34.000 I was hoping it'd pop up faster than this.

01:30:38.000 What year is this?

01:30:39.000 This is February?

01:30:41.000 Could be.

01:30:43.000 This is UFC Phoenix?

01:30:44.000 Anyway.

01:30:46.000 Doesn't matter.

01:30:47.000 The point being, if you do get caught like that, if you do get caught like that, and the buzzer saves your life, that should be worth a lot.

01:30:54.000 It's got to be.

01:30:55.000 It's got to be worth a lot.

01:30:56.000 For sure.

01:30:56.000 It's not the same as...

01:30:59.000 How is that 10-9?

01:31:00.000 How do you get a 10-9 out of that?

01:31:01.000 That sounds crazy if there's a 10-9 just like Karmouche and Valentina Shevchenko in the first round where it's fairly uneventful.

01:31:08.000 And then you've got one round where the fighter nearly gets finished and saved by the belt and then their opponent can edge out the next two rounds by stuffing takedowns and fighting defensively and then they win our decision.

01:31:19.000 Yeah, I really think that there's room for growth.

01:31:24.000 There's room for improvement.

01:31:25.000 And I think that if someone developed some sort of a more comprehensive system, like what is a takedown actually worth?

01:31:33.000 Why do we have to stick to this 10-9 stuff?

01:31:35.000 It's like, I guess.

01:31:37.000 It's like, oh, I'm going this way or I'm going that way.

01:31:40.000 Let's see your work.

01:31:42.000 Like, what are you deciding it on?

01:31:44.000 Are you deciding on, okay, I have...

01:31:47.000 Takedowns versus submission attempt, and with the accumulation of leg strikes, I feel like an advantage was gained, and even though much wasn't done with the takedown, it did defensively stop the attack that he was getting on his feet, and he was able to impose his will upon him,

01:32:02.000 so I'm going to give him 10-9.

01:32:03.000 We can go, ooh...

01:32:04.000 We can talk about this.

01:32:06.000 And experts can sit around and try to figure out what makes sense to people who have been studying martial arts their whole life.

01:32:14.000 What do you think is worth more?

01:32:15.000 Who do you think won that round?

01:32:17.000 Forget about the 10-9. 0.88

01:32:18.000 If you had to score it on the Dan Hardy system, who do you think won that round?

01:32:22.000 And if we did something like that, I think we'd get at least an idea what the territory is.

01:32:27.000 But we're confined by 10-9.

01:32:30.000 Or 10-8 or 10-7.

01:32:31.000 It's like, who decides?

01:32:33.000 Who decides?

01:32:34.000 Why is it 10-7?

01:32:35.000 This one isn't and that one is?

01:32:36.000 Well, show me.

01:32:37.000 Show me what it is.

01:32:38.000 Show me what happened.

01:32:39.000 But then we could overcomplicate it.

01:32:40.000 Actually, the benefit in the 10-9 thing is it makes it more of an instinctive thing.

01:32:45.000 Like, for me, a takedown should be its own reward.

01:32:47.000 Like, if you take someone down, you've put them in a position where you want them.

01:32:50.000 That's like octagon control to me.

01:32:53.000 So, like, controlling the center should be scored just as highly as a takedown.

01:32:56.000 The takedown's got to lead to something for me.

01:32:58.000 Oh, I disagree.

01:32:59.000 Because I think it's easier to take control of the center than it is to get a takedown.

01:33:02.000 I don't agree.

01:33:04.000 Honestly, I don't.

01:33:04.000 For how long, though?

01:33:05.000 Footwork in MMA is almost primitive, really.

01:33:09.000 I mean, there are certain people that stand out that got really good footwork, but for the most part, there's so much bad decision-making by people not understanding how to corral someone against the fence.

01:33:17.000 This is an example of why I don't agree.

01:33:20.000 Tyron Woodley versus Wonderboy.

01:33:22.000 Tyron Woodley let Wonderboy control the center for most of the fight.

01:33:26.000 But that's like playing guard to me.

01:33:28.000 If you choose to be backed against the fence and choose to counter-strike, you're losing until you win a lot of the time.

01:33:33.000 But not as much as being taken down.

01:33:35.000 No, no.

01:33:35.000 Because Tyron wound up doing what he wanted to do, which is catch Wonderboy in between these movements and land a big shot.

01:33:42.000 And he did it in both fights and he hurt him in both fights.

01:33:44.000 But both fights were a similar strategy of waiting for Wonderboy to fuck up and not a whole lot of volume and definitely don't charge at that guy.

01:33:54.000 Take downs are definitely worth more than controlling the center.

01:33:56.000 I don't mean that to be misunderstood.

01:33:58.000 But what I'm saying is that the goal is the same thing.

01:34:01.000 If you control the center, you're putting someone in a position where you can strike them.

01:34:05.000 If you take someone down, you're putting them in a position where you can hit them or submit them.

01:34:09.000 Yeah, but they're so removed. 0.99

01:34:12.000 Because when you're controlling the center, you can still get fucked up. 0.99

01:34:16.000 We're good to go. 0.98

01:34:32.000 Do you remember that?

01:34:33.000 Yeah.

01:34:33.000 He was getting pressed up against a cage, and then BOOM! He explodes out of nowhere to fly.

01:34:38.000 That shit happens. 1.00

01:34:39.000 For sure. 1.00

01:34:39.000 But then, like, Robbie Lord and Melvin Manhoff, you know? 1.00

01:34:41.000 Yes.

01:34:41.000 Bites against the fence, rolling.

01:34:43.000 Yeah, that's one of the great ones.

01:34:44.000 Like, of course.

01:34:45.000 One of the great ones.

01:34:46.000 It can't be worth as much.

01:34:49.000 But the thing is, say if you're playing guard, right?

01:34:52.000 If you've got somebody in your guard and you play 15 minutes of throwing submissions up and nothing comes off, and the other person sits in your guard and lands a few punches, the person on the top is probably going to win the fight because they were sitting in your guard defending submissions and the defense part is its own reward.

01:35:07.000 Sure.

01:35:08.000 They were in the top position.

01:35:09.000 So for me, I always kind of think that Playing guard is very similar to counter-striking.

01:35:13.000 I was a counter-striker all the way through my career, pretty much.

01:35:17.000 So my feeling was that I was losing the fight until I landed the strikes to win it.

01:35:22.000 And the idea of controlling the octagon doesn't necessarily mean you're controlling the center.

01:35:26.000 It means you're controlling your opponent.

01:35:27.000 So you had this mindset.

01:35:30.000 That's an interesting mindset for a counter-striker.

01:35:32.000 Probably very productive, right?

01:35:33.000 Because you put yourself to the point where you have to get it back.

01:35:37.000 You're already losing.

01:35:38.000 I'm at a deficit because I'm giving ground up.

01:35:41.000 But the benefit that I'm getting in giving ground is that I'm making them walk into the places that I want them to step.

01:35:47.000 So if I'm backing up straight and I'm just being pushed against the fence, I'm not controlling the center of the octagon.

01:35:53.000 But if I'm backing up and pivoting off and catching them with the left hook, I'm walking them onto that shot.

01:35:59.000 I would just say that as a counter-striker, I would have to be more significant in my output.

01:36:03.000 Just like if you were a guard player, you would have to be more significant in your output than you would if you were in the top position.

01:36:08.000 That makes sense.

01:36:10.000 And it certainly makes sense that there's a benefit for getting someone to fight your kind of fight.

01:36:18.000 There's so many variables that are really in play, and some of them are dependent upon maybe you don't really understand what their game plan was.

01:36:28.000 Maybe their game plan was a really unpredictable fight, something you would never expect from someone with their style.

01:36:34.000 Or maybe someone has some hidden skill that we didn't realize they were that good at.

01:36:38.000 Remember when Nick Diaz fought Robbie Lawler?

01:36:40.000 Everybody thought Nick Diaz is a jiu-jitsu guy.

01:36:43.000 Knocked him out with a jab.

01:36:45.000 He hit him with a weird right hook. 1.00

01:36:47.000 But he was beating his ass before that. 1.00

01:36:51.000 That was what was different about our expectations. 0.98

01:36:54.000 Our expectations were Nick Diaz was this really well-respected jiu-jitsu player who was real tough and young and had some real good fights.

01:37:03.000 I think he started, did he start in WAEC? Is that where he started?

01:37:07.000 He started in some smaller organizations.

01:37:10.000 That fight with Robbie Lawler was early though, like UFC 37 or something like that.

01:37:14.000 Very early.

01:37:14.000 I'll never forget that fight, man.

01:37:16.000 He came out and he was like, Stockton, motherfucker! 0.99

01:37:18.000 And Robbie Lawler was like, what? 1.00

01:37:20.000 What is happening here? 0.99

01:37:22.000 It was like, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

01:37:24.000 But he outboxed him. 0.99

01:37:26.000 That was the thing that was exciting about it.

01:37:28.000 It's like, wow.

01:37:29.000 We thought this guy was just a jiu-jitsu guy. 0.99

01:37:32.000 And meanwhile, what he's doing is he's coming out talking mad shit to Robbie Lawler. 1.00

01:37:37.000 Talking shit to him while he's punching him in the face. 1.00

01:37:39.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

01:37:40.000 That was something that I love about the Diaz brothers, though.

01:37:44.000 They've never really had to implement wrestling into their game too much because they've used pressure and boxing to force people to shoot on them.

01:37:51.000 Both have wicked guards.

01:37:53.000 They both have wicked jiu-jitsu, wicked guards.

01:37:57.000 Nick Diaz is a super respected jiu-jitsu black belt, as is Nate.

01:38:01.000 In the jiu-jitsu community, they're like...

01:38:04.000 They're recognized as being really high level, so they'll just keep punching you in the face until you decide to go to the ground.

01:38:11.000 I'd love to tap into some of that knowledge, get their perspectives on the sport and the scoring, you know what I mean?

01:38:15.000 Well, I like the fact that they're picking their fights now.

01:38:18.000 Nate takes some time off and takes a big fight, does whatever he wants.

01:38:23.000 I like that.

01:38:24.000 I like that he can do that.

01:38:26.000 I'm very excited about this fight.

01:38:27.000 This fight with Pettis is fascinating. 0.55

01:38:29.000 Because, first of all, Nate Diaz, he's acting like a maniac.

01:38:33.000 He's smoking weed during the open workouts.

01:38:35.000 He's smoking weed during open workouts. 0.98

01:38:38.000 I mean, his brother was suspended for like a fucking year for smoking weed back in the dark ages, wasn't he? 0.97

01:38:44.000 Yeah, he was, yeah. 0.97

01:38:45.000 It's like a long time.

01:38:46.000 And he didn't fight for ages because he wouldn't pay the fine, right?

01:38:49.000 Dude, exactly. 1.00

01:38:49.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

01:38:51.000 And meanwhile, the Diaz brothers are right. 1.00

01:38:54.000 So here you see, Nate Diaz...

01:38:56.000 CBD, right?

01:38:57.000 Yeah, just CBD, bro.

01:38:59.000 It's just health. 0.99

01:39:00.000 He's getting high as fuck. 1.00

01:39:02.000 That's what he's doing. 1.00

01:39:02.000 You can do that. 1.00

01:39:03.000 You can do that now.

01:39:04.000 As long as you're not high the day of the fight, your levels will be fine.

01:39:10.000 I used to stop for weeks before my fights.

01:39:12.000 It was awful.

01:39:12.000 I had to back then, right?

01:39:14.000 Look at him.

01:39:14.000 But he's getting so high it might stay with him for a couple months.

01:39:18.000 Yeah.

01:39:18.000 He might fail the test.

01:39:19.000 Imagine if he did fail the test now after this.

01:39:21.000 Imagine.

01:39:22.000 Remember when Nick fought Gomi and he had like six times the amount in his system. 0.98

01:39:27.000 They said he had to be high when he fought Gomi.

01:39:29.000 He had a pot brownie in the back or something before he walked out.

01:39:32.000 Dude, that was an amazing fight.

01:39:33.000 He caught him with a go-go plato.

01:39:35.000 Go-go plato.

01:39:35.000 Unbelievable.

01:39:36.000 Let's realize how goddamn good Nick Diaz is at everything. 0.98

01:39:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:39:41.000 Submissions, you know, fucking... 1.00

01:39:43.000 Remember when he fought Cyborg? 0.99

01:39:45.000 Just got him to the ground, submitted him, stood with him for a little bit, and said, okay, that's enough.

01:39:50.000 And the Paul Daly fight.

01:39:52.000 That's the one that always stands out to me.

01:39:54.000 Took him into the jungle.

01:39:56.000 I never would have thought that Nick Daly was going to knock Paul out.

01:39:58.000 He took him into the jungle.

01:39:59.000 He took him into the deepest water.

01:40:01.000 He just said, let's just go to war.

01:40:03.000 Let's go to crazy war. 0.99

01:40:04.000 People don't do that with Paul David.

01:40:06.000 No way! 0.99

01:40:07.000 His power is ridiculous. 1.00

01:40:07.000 He's terrifying! 1.00

01:40:08.000 He tenderized the side of my head for many years in the gym.

01:40:11.000 Dude, I can't imagine getting hit by that guy.

01:40:13.000 That guy, his left hand is preposterous.

01:40:16.000 Huge hands as well.

01:40:17.000 Yeah, I believe it.

01:40:18.000 We're talking about hand structure.

01:40:19.000 Of course.

01:40:19.000 I mean, he's got massive hands.

01:40:21.000 I couldn't imagine him not having massive hands.

01:40:23.000 He has big feet, too.

01:40:24.000 He's a wide tank of a man.

01:40:26.000 But that left hand is just one of the best weapons in the sport.

01:40:29.000 That's one of those game-changer weapons.

01:40:31.000 He clips people and you see them like, whoa!

01:40:34.000 I remember being in his corner one time.

01:40:36.000 He was fighting Xavier Fupapakum on Cage Rage.

01:40:39.000 And we'd had a late night the night before, as we usually did with Paul Daly's fight nights, because he's a bit wild.

01:40:46.000 So we've been up till like 4am Friday night.

01:40:49.000 Saturday we got over to the fights and he wasn't focused on the fights at all.

01:40:55.000 He had some kind of noodle pot for breakfast and nothing else and his head just wasn't there.

01:41:01.000 He was one of those kind of guys that sometimes he would just show up to fight at the moment that it was required.

01:41:08.000 Professor X, he was like a six-foot-two Thai boxer.

01:41:11.000 I remember that guy.

01:41:12.000 Remember him?

01:41:13.000 Yeah.

01:41:13.000 Yeah, real long-rangey guy.

01:41:14.000 Very talented.

01:41:15.000 Powerful dude.

01:41:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:41:17.000 He got Paul clinched, and he was nearing him, and he was hitting him with all kinds of stuff.

01:41:22.000 And out of nowhere, just this left hook just came creeping over the top.

01:41:26.000 And he just fell like a plank.

01:41:28.000 He knew he could do that to people, too, and knows he can.

01:41:31.000 When he hit Lorenz Larkin with that punch, I was like, Jesus, because Lorenz is a very high-level striker.

01:41:37.000 Like, you remember when Lorenz ran over near Magny?

01:41:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:41:40.000 And you're like, holy shit. 0.99

01:41:42.000 And he throws that oblique kick to the body like a sidekick, and you're like, whoa. 0.99

01:41:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:41:47.000 This guy's hitting him with some shit, and he's swift on the feet, man. 0.99

01:41:51.000 Lorenz is like, he's got a very unusual style of footwork and movement, and it's like a lot of guys, you see them trying to decipher it as he's coming at you, and then boom! 0.99

01:42:01.000 The shots are coming. 0.95

01:42:02.000 So to see him get clipped by Paul and get really hurt and stopped, you realize, like, wow, that's how hard fucking Paul Daly hits. 0.99

01:42:11.000 Yeah. 0.86

01:42:11.000 And you underestimate how long his arms are as well. 0.86

01:42:13.000 He's got a unique build.

01:42:14.000 His waist's like this big.

01:42:16.000 He's built like a Dorito and he's got really wide shoulders and really long arms.

01:42:19.000 That's where all that power is coming from, that leverage.

01:42:21.000 Were you shocked by his fight with Michael Venom Page?

01:42:26.000 No, not really.

01:42:27.000 I think Paul can play the game when he needs to play the game.

01:42:31.000 He knows when he's taking risks and when he's not.

01:42:34.000 There was a lot on the line for that.

01:42:36.000 Oh, for sure.

01:42:36.000 But that's the one thing that he always complained about.

01:42:39.000 Yeah.

01:42:39.000 Was when guys took him down.

01:42:40.000 Ego can have a say in these things sometimes, though.

01:42:43.000 And I think a loss over a bad performance is much worse for Paul when it comes to MVP. He would have never heard the last of it.

01:42:50.000 We occupied the same small bit of land.

01:42:52.000 You can't go very far in England without hearing about that kind of stuff.

01:42:56.000 He just wanted to get the win.

01:42:58.000 Yeah.

01:42:58.000 I wonder if, yeah, I see what you're saying, and I like that he fought that way.

01:43:03.000 I like that anybody fights in a way that they can win, because if someone can't defend that, I want to know.

01:43:08.000 And it's not because I want one person to win over the other person, even if it's a bad fight.

01:43:13.000 I like when styles clash and you figure out, oh, look at this, if that guy just does that to you, guess what?

01:43:18.000 Now people know that they can do that to you, and other people who are better at doing that are going to try to do that to you.

01:43:22.000 Yeah.

01:43:23.000 It's interesting.

01:43:24.000 It makes the sport fascinating.

01:43:25.000 For sure.

01:43:25.000 But I would say that Paul didn't get into the fight with the intention of fighting like that.

01:43:29.000 Really?

01:43:30.000 I think the takedowns were a part of his game plan, but I think he planned on doing a lot more damage on the ground. 0.98

01:43:35.000 That guy is so fucking slippery standing up. 0.98

01:43:39.000 Michael Venom Page, he's so slippery. 0.99

01:43:41.000 That movement is so crazy to deal with.

01:43:43.000 That karate point-fighting background?

01:43:45.000 They are so good at blitzing.

01:43:47.000 You just don't feel like you can get close to him.

01:43:48.000 It feels like he's so far away.

01:43:49.000 And if you try to move into the danger zone, they can get to you before you can get to them.

01:43:54.000 And especially Michael Page, who has those long arms and legs.

01:43:57.000 And he's so good at keeping his hands down. 0.99

01:44:00.000 So you don't know where shit's coming from, too. 0.98

01:44:02.000 Everything's coming from weird angles. 0.98

01:44:04.000 And the confidence plays in as well.

01:44:05.000 Because he's so confident in what he's capable of.

01:44:07.000 He fights loose, which makes him faster.

01:44:09.000 He hasn't fought since the Lima fight, right?

01:44:11.000 No.

01:44:12.000 Yeah, that was great. 1.00

01:44:13.000 Lima's a murderer. 0.99

01:44:21.000 We're good to go. 0.94

01:44:41.000 Just always worry about Rory's nose.

01:44:43.000 That is always on my mind when he's fighting because they just don't heal.

01:44:47.000 They just never heal properly.

01:44:48.000 How about Michael Perry's?

01:44:51.000 I don't know.

01:44:52.000 That's going to be a long time off.

01:44:53.000 He was on my flight on the way home and his eyes were swollen shut and stuff.

01:44:57.000 He was having a rough time.

01:45:00.000 But didn't he get surgery while he was in Uruguay?

01:45:02.000 Yeah, they fixed it while they were there.

01:45:04.000 Oh, so you left after he had gotten surgery?

01:45:06.000 I stayed for a day after to get some rest.

01:45:08.000 Jet lag was killing me.

01:45:09.000 Good for you.

01:45:10.000 How was Uruguay?

01:45:11.000 Was it interesting?

01:45:12.000 Yeah, it was.

01:45:13.000 It was cool.

01:45:13.000 I mean, the fans were great.

01:45:15.000 We had one fighter on the card from Uruguay, Eduardo Garagori, who just marched forward and just tried to bring the fight to his opponent.

01:45:24.000 He was fighting Bandanai.

01:45:26.000 He was backing up, trying to counter-strike.

01:45:28.000 The fans loved it.

01:45:29.000 You know, they were rowdy.

01:45:30.000 They were quiet when the fights were going on, which was kind of weird because the only fans that I've experienced that do that are the Japanese fans.

01:45:37.000 You know, when the fight's going on, they sit quietly, they watch, they applaud when there's a position change.

01:45:42.000 There were some good fights on the card as well.

01:45:44.000 The Haoleon Paiva knee as well from, what's his opponent's name?

01:45:49.000 Bontorin.

01:45:50.000 Hadira Bontorin caught him with a clean knee and opened him up. 0.99

01:45:54.000 A lot of stitches.

01:45:55.000 Oh, I saw that.

01:45:56.000 Yeah.

01:45:57.000 And the jiu-jitsu guy, the middleweight guy?

01:46:01.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:01.000 Adolfo Vieira.

01:46:02.000 Jesus Christ.

01:46:03.000 That guy's terrifying.

01:46:04.000 Yeah.

01:46:05.000 Peota's good.

01:46:06.000 I'm surprised that he didn't press forward more, to be honest.

01:46:10.000 I was expecting to be more aggressive.

01:46:12.000 Vieira is good, but he's like five, six fights into his career.

01:46:16.000 You can still bully him a little bit because he might be unsure of himself in the striking.

01:46:21.000 A little bit, but he did land a hard jab early in the first round, and I think that woke him up a little bit. 0.97

01:46:26.000 He's got heavy hands, but the thing is, his squeeze is fucking outrageous. 0.97

01:46:32.000 His squeeze is so outrageous. 0.96

01:46:34.000 When he wrapped up that head and arm triangle, I was like, no one's getting out of that.

01:46:38.000 There's some dudes that do that head and arm choke like that, where you see their back look like some alien creature.

01:46:45.000 With all the striations, you're like, oh my god, no one's getting out of that.

01:46:48.000 You're going to sleep. 0.99

01:46:49.000 He's going to cut your head off. 1.00

01:46:51.000 Like, that's horrific. 0.57

01:46:52.000 Those guys that have that incredible jujitsu with incredible physical strength, like the Jacare's, Paul Harris, yeah.

01:47:02.000 Those guys who have that crazy jujitsu but also ridiculous strength as well are always the scariest.

01:47:07.000 Yeah.

01:47:08.000 Look at the size of Gordon Ryan now in comparison to when he started out.

01:47:10.000 He's so big! 0.67

01:47:11.000 He's a monster. 0.99

01:47:12.000 He's terrifying. 1.00

01:47:13.000 Keep Jeff Dominski way the fuck away from that guy. 0.97

01:47:17.000 But that is the thing about jujitsu is like some of these things have testing and people do have tested positive. 0.95

01:47:23.000 It's been like a huge disgrace.

01:47:25.000 But the ones that don't have testing, these dudes, it's the Wild West out there.

01:47:28.000 They're running rampant.

01:47:29.000 I remember Jeff Monson. 0.81

01:47:31.000 I remember that monster walking around like he'd just been chiseled out of meat. 0.99

01:47:35.000 Yeah, he was a goddamn Fantastic Four character that came to life. 0.99

01:47:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:47:39.000 When Monson was in Abu Dhabi.

01:47:41.000 There he is right there.

01:47:42.000 Jacked. 0.95

01:47:43.000 The kids jacked.

01:47:44.000 Yeah.

01:47:45.000 I watched him on that...

01:47:46.000 The Beast.

01:47:47.000 What was it?

01:47:49.000 Quintet out in Vegas.

01:47:50.000 And he rolled through three guys on that.

01:47:52.000 Dude, this is amazing.

01:47:53.000 Polaris as well.

01:47:54.000 He's done Polaris a few times over in the UK. He's just a monster. 0.93

01:47:57.000 Well, it all comes out of that John Donaher, Henzo Gracie school. 0.95

01:48:01.000 Eddie Cummings, John Donaher...

01:48:03.000 All those guys, Gary Tonin, Nicky Ryan, Gordon Ryan, that's some of the cream of the crop of young jiu-jitsu players. 0.88

01:48:11.000 These guys are all savages.

01:48:13.000 And I'm really excited that Tonin is now in MMA. Because he's doing really well in MMA. He's undefeated and he's fucking people up standing up too.

01:48:21.000 He's getting better at standing up. 0.99

01:48:23.000 But when it goes to the ground, good fucking luck. 0.99

01:48:26.000 Good luck. 0.99

01:48:27.000 And I think people would underestimate John Danaher as an MMA coach as well.

01:48:31.000 The experience that he's had.

01:48:33.000 His knowledge of MMA is outstanding.

01:48:36.000 I spent some time talking to him when I was up in Montreal at TriStar and the way he unpacks things and breaks things down and not only breaks them down for himself to understand but for him to be able to communicate that easily to other people for them to understand.

01:48:53.000 It takes a special kind of coach to be able to do that.

01:48:56.000 Well, he's a really, really interesting human.

01:49:01.000 If you just sit down and talk to him, he's one of the most well-thought-out people I think I've ever had the pleasure of having a conversation with.

01:49:08.000 He just thinks things through and irons out all his points before he ever expresses them.

01:49:14.000 So when he expresses something to you, he's like, let me ask you this. 1.00

01:49:17.000 And he's a lunatic. 1.00

01:49:18.000 And he's a lunatic. 1.00

01:49:19.000 There's an edge to him for sure. 0.98

01:49:21.000 I'll never forget him sitting in a club in Montreal Like, GSP's there, and all of his mates, and they're all, like, dressed sharp and stuff, and they're, like, talking to the girls.

01:49:31.000 He had a rash guard on.

01:49:32.000 Of course he did.

01:49:34.000 A rash guard, a paddy pack, and a pair of shorts, and he was just sitting in the club, just...

01:49:38.000 People don't understand.

01:49:40.000 John Donahue is famous for wearing a rash guard to a wedding.

01:49:44.000 But he's a savant.

01:49:45.000 He's a special individual.

01:49:46.000 You know, he's on a different frequency.

01:49:49.000 If you never wore a rash guard to a wedding, my apologies.

01:49:52.000 But I wouldn't put it past you.

01:49:54.000 No, he did.

01:49:55.000 I'm sure he did.

01:49:56.000 I'm sure that's a true story.

01:49:57.000 I mean, he is a savant.

01:49:59.000 What he is is I think he's singularly focused on transitions and attacks and patterns in jiu-jitsu and how to improve upon various athletes' success in games.

01:50:12.000 And he's created these pathways and these guys that believe in him also happen to be super dedicated and very talented.

01:50:19.000 And then you have that entire Henzo Gracie team, which is just one of the best lineages of jiu-jitsu in all of martial arts.

01:50:26.000 And if you look at what came out of that Henzo Gracie, you have Matt Serra came out of there.

01:50:33.000 There's been so many high-level competitors in a million different martial arts organizations.

01:50:39.000 Henzo is like old-school Gracie.

01:50:42.000 I mean, he's from the root.

01:50:44.000 I mean, that's the purest jiu-jitsu you're going to find in the world.

01:50:47.000 So... 0.53

01:50:47.000 He's got, it's just, that's an amazing pool of talent on top of having a wizard like Donaher in there fucking with things and fixing things and finding new pathways and how to counter things and how to switch things around on people. 0.53

01:51:03.000 And they have a bunch of systems, like back-taking systems, leg-locking systems, and it's super, super effective.

01:51:09.000 And the way he describes it is he's able to cut years out of the learning curve of these guys by addressing problems that come up before they come up.

01:51:18.000 I mean, he's proven that, though.

01:51:20.000 The speed in which Gordon Ryan, and Nicky Ryan as well, And Eddie Cummings.

01:51:24.000 Eddie Cummings, of course.

01:51:26.000 And Gary Tonin.

01:51:26.000 And for sure, they all learn from each other, for sure.

01:51:29.000 I mean, Eddie is also a big innovator in leg locking and understanding these systems and innovating and coming up with new entries and new transitions.

01:51:38.000 All those guys are.

01:51:40.000 It's like everyone has their own little piece of ingredient that they're putting into the stew, but the result is really exceptional in terms of success rates.

01:51:48.000 Like, they stood out in a world where everyone's trying to kill everybody with chokes and arm bars, and everybody knows chokes and arm bars.

01:51:55.000 And they stood out, like, significantly.

01:51:57.000 Yeah.

01:51:58.000 But, you know, the thing with Danaher as well is to be able to sit on the mat and watch all of those high-level guys work against each other.

01:52:04.000 Like, he's seeing the patterns across the mat.

01:52:06.000 Yes.

01:52:07.000 I wish I'd have done this earlier on in my career.

01:52:10.000 Like, I watched fights as a fan, but then the further into my career, the more I was specific about who I watched.

01:52:15.000 I only wanted to watch the fighters that I felt like I was going to benefit from.

01:52:19.000 Whereas now, because I watch everything, I see the patterns.

01:52:23.000 And I can imagine, because Danaher is on the mat all the time, watching all of these guys every day, seeing the patterns in jiu-jitsu all the time.

01:52:30.000 The same positions that get exchanged over and over again, and the different outcomes for each one.

01:52:36.000 And he just seems to have one of those kind of brains that just...

01:52:39.000 Absorbs everything, adds it into his filtration system, and then figures out the more high percentage stuff, and then focuses that as his syllabus.

01:52:47.000 And what's really interesting is if he wasn't injured as badly as he is, I mean, he probably would have gone on to compete and maybe not been as good of a coach.

01:52:56.000 Yes.

01:52:57.000 That's one of the more amazing pieces to that puzzle. 0.99

01:53:01.000 He was a rugby player, fucked his knee up early. 0.80

01:53:04.000 They fixed it, but they didn't fix it right, and it was always a problem, and he was always kind of leaning on it in a weird way, and it fucked his hip up. 0.96

01:53:12.000 So he had to get a hip replacement, now he's going to get a knee replacement, and he's a guy known for teaching people how to rip people's legs apart.

01:53:19.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:53:20.000 Yeah.

01:53:21.000 I mean, he's a unique individual, though.

01:53:23.000 And I think that the way that his brain works is perfect for jiu-jitsu.

01:53:28.000 And that's why his brain is fed so much by jiu-jitsu.

01:53:31.000 And you see him on the side of the mat.

01:53:33.000 He's sitting there coaching his guys.

01:53:35.000 And it's just...

01:53:36.000 It's so calm, and it's so well delivered, and he always says their full name as well.

01:53:41.000 That's something else I quite like it, but it stands out.

01:53:46.000 Yeah, I think it's so important to have these unique characters.

01:53:51.000 Farah Sahabi is another one.

01:53:52.000 To have these unique intellectual characters that are involved in the pursuit of people beating the fuck out of each other.

01:53:59.000 It's very interesting.

01:54:01.000 And we've not even seen the crossover of the fighters that are going to become those people yet either.

01:54:06.000 Dwayne Ludwig is a good example of one of the first to really make that crossover.

01:54:10.000 You look at the way that Ludwig fought and the way that he coaches his fighters is so very different.

01:54:15.000 Yeah, he jokes around about it.

01:54:16.000 But I like that because that shows the evolution.

01:54:19.000 When I'm coaching my fighters, I wouldn't coach them the same way that I used to fight.

01:54:25.000 It's got to vary a little bit, right?

01:54:27.000 Depending upon body size and style and what strengths you come into, especially in MMA. But what Dwayne is doing is sort of like learning what he learned from everybody, watching everybody, but not what he did.

01:54:41.000 Which is crazy.

01:54:42.000 He's obviously teaching you stuff that he knows how to do and stuff that he did do, but that style of footwork and switching stances and movement that you see TJ employ and a lot of his other students employ, Dwayne's got that written out.

01:54:56.000 He's one of those guys that has a real system. 0.92

01:54:59.000 If you look at his book, you're like, oh my god, he's a crazy person. 0.95

01:55:03.000 In a great way.

01:55:06.000 He's got everything written out.

01:55:08.000 All the combinations and all the movements.

01:55:11.000 This is not like free-for-all and just do what feels good.

01:55:14.000 No, he's got patterns he's following.

01:55:16.000 And he puts those patterns on you and you see the success rate from his students learning this thing.

01:55:22.000 He had a big effect on Team Alpha Male for the brief amount of time that he was there.

01:55:26.000 You saw some good results from some of those guys.

01:55:29.000 He's just uniquely obsessed with teaching people how to strike correctly.

01:55:33.000 And that's where I think there's a very fine line between programming a fighter and being a computer programmer.

01:55:39.000 You get all those systems in place and then...

01:55:41.000 That's why, like, Faraz, as you just mentioned, and GSP, they had such a good relationship because it always felt to me like Faraz was, like, sitting in the corner with his control pad, just kind of playing the game.

01:55:52.000 And because he programmed his fighter so well, it was a responsive thing.

01:55:57.000 Same with Matt Hume and DJ. Yes.

01:56:00.000 And, like, obviously there's some level of freedom and creativity for the fighter, but they've always got that backup, that person in the corner that can tell them something, and they know exactly what they mean, and they just apply it and it works.

01:56:12.000 Those systems coming into play and all the codes that are coming in now, it's interesting.

01:56:17.000 It's an interesting development.

01:56:19.000 I think those kind of fighters will always fall short to the likes of the Adesanya's and Anderson Silva's that can play the game inside the Octagon.

01:56:30.000 Anderson Silva, I think the most underestimated knockout of his, and it was a great knockout, but still people don't really fully appreciate it, was the Vitor Belfort front kick to the face.

01:56:40.000 Because Vitor was expecting the low kick and he brings his shin up to block the low kick as he gets kicked in the face.

01:56:46.000 And if you watch it from the opposite angle over Vitor's shoulder, you can see Anderson's looking at his lead leg.

01:56:52.000 That is so underappreciated because you don't see those cells from the replays.

01:56:57.000 You don't see the glances and the looks and the shifts of the body weight and the nuances of the fight.

01:57:03.000 Sometimes I'll watch these replays 10-15 times from different angles and all of a sudden I'll see something and It's like a light bulb moment.

01:57:10.000 I love those moments.

01:57:11.000 Yeah, Anderson had many of those moments in his career where you recognize that he had seen a pattern and then he just struck on that pattern and hit pay dirt.

01:57:20.000 And you're like, Jesus Christ.

01:57:22.000 It's like Max Holloway does it now.

01:57:23.000 That first round is like his download round.

01:57:26.000 He gathers information.

01:57:28.000 He studies their patterns.

01:57:29.000 And that's why if you look at Max Holloway's stats, his first round, his percentage of success is low and his output is low.

01:57:36.000 But then as his success rate increases, so does his output.

01:57:40.000 It's ridiculous.

01:57:41.000 I don't know any other fighter that does that. 0.73

01:57:43.000 No, he's brilliant in that.

01:57:44.000 And his output is preposterous.

01:57:46.000 His output is just so outrageous.

01:57:48.000 But not as outrageous as Colby Covington's.

01:57:52.000 Colby Covington might have the most outrageous output in the sport.

01:57:57.000 It's outrageous.

01:57:58.000 What about him and Usman, though?

01:58:00.000 They're both outrageous.

01:58:02.000 It's all who's the better wrestler.

01:58:04.000 Who's the better wrestler and who has more power and who can keep that up for the longest? 1.00

01:58:08.000 Because Colby can keep that shit up for five rounds. 1.00

01:58:10.000 He's done an amazing job of getting people to dismiss him because they think he's a piece of shit. 1.00

01:58:17.000 With his MAGA hat and all the trash talk that he does. 1.00

01:58:20.000 It's fucking brilliant, man. 1.00

01:58:22.000 Because what he's done is just insult everybody and anybody, get a lot of people talking about him, and then fuck people up. 0.99

01:58:31.000 So it's like, whoa. 1.00

01:58:32.000 This is a crazy combination because it fucks with their head. 0.98

01:58:35.000 They don't want to lose to this guy. 1.00

01:58:36.000 They don't want to hear him talk shit. 1.00

01:58:38.000 After he beats your ass, he's going to still talk shit? 1.00

01:58:41.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

01:58:43.000 There's a slight, I don't know, depending upon the person, but at least slight burden in experiencing that from a person.

01:58:49.000 It might be a big burden. 0.98

01:58:51.000 Maybe you're one of those people that has a hard time getting fucked with, and it keeps you up at night. 0.96

01:58:56.000 And then it's like maybe it diminishes your performance 20%, maybe 30%. 0.99

01:59:00.000 And Colby doesn't get tired.

01:59:03.000 He keeps coming.

01:59:04.000 It's terrifying.

01:59:06.000 Robbie Law just kept bobbing and weaving and hoping for these openings that were never there.

01:59:10.000 And then Colby's just on you. 0.99

01:59:12.000 He was punching some ridiculous amount, like one every 2.4 seconds or some crazy shit. 0.99

01:59:18.000 He broke the work rate, right? 0.99

01:59:20.000 Yeah.

01:59:20.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:59:22.000 Against Robbie Lawler!

01:59:23.000 I know.

01:59:23.000 But Robbie just, you know, like that first round in particular, when he's up against the fence and he wasn't even hand-fighting the chokes, like that, it looked like he was kind of coasting for a couple of rounds with the intention of getting started later.

01:59:35.000 But then, I just think the intensity of Colby just burned him out faster than he expected. 0.98

01:59:40.000 I think when you're an explosive guy like Robbie is, where he fires fucking hard. 0.98

01:59:46.000 Hurricane speed bombs at you. 0.97

01:59:48.000 And when he does that, he's going 100%.

01:59:51.000 100%.

01:59:53.000 Colby never goes 100%.

01:59:54.000 If you watch him, he's punching like 70%, 60%, 70%, 60%.

01:59:59.000 And he just stays on you, stays on you.

02:00:01.000 Very Nick Diaz-like.

02:00:02.000 In Diaz's early days, like when Diaz fought Frank Shamrock, perfect example.

02:00:07.000 He just puts that pace on you. 0.99

02:00:09.000 Keeps talking shit and puts that pace on you. 0.99

02:00:11.000 And he's hitting you a lot, so you're always tight. 1.00

02:00:14.000 You're always tightening up, tightening up.

02:00:15.000 And it's just draining your battery. 1.00

02:00:18.000 And you don't want to lose to this guy, because he's talked so much shit. 1.00

02:00:22.000 And you're like, well, he's talked so much shit, but when I get a hold of him, guess what? 1.00

02:00:25.000 When you get a hold of him, he's great. 0.99

02:00:27.000 That's the problem. 0.98

02:00:28.000 The problem is all those things that fuck with you, plus he's a great fighter. 1.00

02:00:34.000 So the meanness, the shit-talking, all the MAGA stuff, the strippers, the cringe, you're like, oh my god, right? 1.00

02:00:43.000 And then on top of it, the fucking output inside the octagon. 1.00

02:00:46.000 You're like, shit! 1.00

02:00:47.000 He's doing all that, and he's fucking me up. 1.00

02:00:50.000 He might have fucked me up even if he didn't do all that. 0.99

02:00:52.000 But he does all that, and I don't want to lose to him, and he's fucking me up. 1.00

02:00:55.000 It's like, God damn! 0.99

02:00:57.000 Do you think there's a point where Colby thinks, you know, at any point during his training camp, like, shit, I've stacked the odds against myself here. 1.00

02:01:03.000 I had that moment before Marcus Davis where I thought to myself, if I lose here, I'm going to look really fucking stupid. 0.97

02:01:09.000 I think that Colby is doing a brilliant job of playing a bad guy, like pro wrestling style. 0.97

02:01:16.000 And I think he didn't used to do that early in his career. 0.99

02:01:19.000 He was a hard-working guy who just went out there and fought his ass off, but people didn't give a shit. 0.98

02:01:24.000 And they weren't giving him the credit that he deserves. 0.99

02:01:26.000 And so he turned heel.

02:01:28.000 And from that, he's become the interim welterweight champion.

02:01:31.000 He's one of the most talked about guys in the sport.

02:01:34.000 He took on a character.

02:01:35.000 That's what I think. 0.99

02:01:36.000 And I think that character is super successful at fucking with people. 0.99

02:01:39.000 You know, I mean, and he can fucking fight, man. 0.99

02:01:43.000 You can't underestimate that kind of cardio. 0.99

02:01:48.000 That kind of cardio is crazy.

02:01:49.000 To be able to do that for five rounds, that's bananas.

02:01:53.000 That pace is insane.

02:01:54.000 Yeah.

02:01:55.000 And Robbie Lawler's strong as well.

02:01:57.000 He's a ball!

02:01:58.000 Such a difficult person to hold down.

02:02:00.000 I wonder whether Robbie Lawler left some of his training camp, whether he left some of his effort in the gym.

02:02:05.000 I would imagine Robbie Lawler's the kind of guy that still trains like he's in his 20s.

02:02:09.000 Like he's on it every day.

02:02:11.000 Well, maybe.

02:02:12.000 Or maybe they trained together.

02:02:14.000 And when they trained together, Colby was getting the best of it.

02:02:17.000 I mean, I think they did train together at an American Top Team.

02:02:21.000 Maybe Colby knew that he could out-wrestle him.

02:02:23.000 He knew if he just stayed on him, he would break him and out-wrestle him.

02:02:26.000 I mean, when someone has a wrestling advantage, it goes back to this one more time. 0.99

02:02:30.000 When someone has a wrestling advantage, that is a big deal when you start getting tired and this guy has better technique than you and he's not as tired as you are because he's fighting more efficiently and then he gets a hold of you and they're like, fuck him on my back. 0.99

02:02:42.000 And then you're like, God damn it. 0.99

02:02:44.000 And then you try to get back up, but you can't. 0.99

02:02:45.000 And the bell's over, and you get back up.

02:02:47.000 And you go, I've got to keep this guy from taking me down.

02:02:49.000 Then, boom, he takes you down to Dan.

02:02:50.000 Again, he keeps punching you on the feet.

02:02:52.000 He keeps hitting you and making you move backwards.

02:02:54.000 And you're just looking to land this big bomb, but there's never an opening for it.

02:02:57.000 And you think he's going to slow down, but he never does.

02:03:00.000 So Colby against Khabib but a catchweight. 0.93

02:03:02.000 What do you reckon?

02:03:04.000 Who outpaces the other one?

02:03:06.000 Dude, they could get Ted Nugent to sing the national anthem.

02:03:10.000 America! 1.00

02:03:11.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

02:03:13.000 I think that's an amazing fight. 0.99

02:03:16.000 If Khabib ever did want to fight at 170, I think him versus Usman would also be an amazing fight.

02:03:21.000 I want to see Colby and Usman.

02:03:23.000 I mean, that's the fight, right?

02:03:24.000 I mean, and I also think if you're going to have an interim champion, you should treat that fighter...

02:03:32.000 Like, it's a champion.

02:03:33.000 Like, you can't just take their fight, you can't take their belt away if they don't want to fight right now because they're injured or because they need surgery.

02:03:41.000 I think we have to respect the championship title.

02:03:44.000 Otherwise, people are going to look at interim championships like it doesn't mean anything.

02:03:48.000 It should mean as much as a championship.

02:03:51.000 Like, we're saying you have to fight for the title next.

02:03:55.000 So to say that they don't have to fight for the title next and we're just going to take that thing away from you.

02:03:59.000 You just take it away.

02:04:01.000 But the person's still fighting.

02:04:03.000 So they're still the champion.

02:04:04.000 They didn't lose.

02:04:05.000 You just take it away because what?

02:04:07.000 Is there a mandatory contender that the WBA or the WBC or the IBF? No.

02:04:13.000 It's just the UFC. The UFC decides who fights and who fights when.

02:04:17.000 I'm happy that they have interim championships because I think there's times and places for that.

02:04:22.000 But you've got to treat it like it's a championship.

02:04:24.000 And Kobe never lost the championship.

02:04:26.000 He won that interim title against RDA in an incredible performance.

02:04:29.000 And then they just take it away from him.

02:04:31.000 I don't think you need to...

02:04:32.000 The problem is sometimes you've got the champion defending their belt against another contender and there's an interim champion that's not available to fight.

02:04:39.000 But that doesn't mean you have to strip the title from the interim champion.

02:04:42.000 I agree.

02:04:43.000 It's almost like it's not a placeholder.

02:04:46.000 It's like a guarantee that they've got a title shot in their next fight regardless.

02:04:48.000 If they're not injured.

02:04:49.000 Yeah.

02:04:50.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:04:51.000 So what, 12 months like a normal champion?

02:04:53.000 I just think, you know, in this day and age, there's this attitude that the fighters need to step up and fight even if they're injured.

02:05:03.000 That's not good for anybody.

02:05:06.000 It's not good for the ultimate, the eventual fight itself, the ultimate product that you're selling the fans.

02:05:12.000 It's definitely not good for the athletes.

02:05:14.000 This is hard enough as it is. 0.94

02:05:16.000 I think the solution to all this, and I'm a fucking, I'm beating on a dead horse, more weight classes. 0.95

02:05:21.000 I love more weight classes. 0.98

02:05:22.000 More weight classes.

02:05:23.000 More champions.

02:05:24.000 I keep saying this.

02:05:26.000 There's no need to move the 170 weight class.

02:05:28.000 We can't move that.

02:05:29.000 There's too much history there.

02:05:30.000 Oh, look at you.

02:05:31.000 You want to go crazy? 0.69

02:05:32.000 No.

02:05:32.000 You want to go 55, 65, 70?

02:05:34.000 No, no, no.

02:05:35.000 What are you saying?

02:05:35.000 I want to use the old pride weight class, so we do 55, 62. 62 is right in the middle.

02:05:40.000 62?

02:05:41.000 Who are you?

02:05:41.000 62, 63. Weird numbers.

02:05:43.000 I'm telling you, man.

02:05:44.000 That's the weight class to make.

02:05:45.000 Light welterweight.

02:05:46.000 It's right in the middle of the two.

02:05:47.000 Think of the fighters that we get in that weight class.

02:05:49.000 Masvidal could have stopped off there on his way up.

02:05:51.000 Cowboy, RDA. We've got guys that could move down. 0.92

02:05:54.000 I would say Covington, Mike Perry could probably make that weight class.

02:05:57.000 And then, you know, the next weight class after that's 177. That's halfway between the two weight classes.

02:06:03.000 You're talking madness.

02:06:04.000 You're making up these crazy numbers, bro.

02:06:05.000 These are the weight class, I'm telling you.

02:06:07.000 And then Gastelum stops off there on the way up.

02:06:09.000 Like, we were talking about Hadolfo Vieira, the guy that fought the weekend in Uruguay.

02:06:13.000 Yes.

02:06:14.000 I would say he's not big enough for middleweight, but I would say he's too big for welterweight.

02:06:17.000 And I would say the same about his opponent.

02:06:19.000 Well, he was light heavyweight in the beginning of his career.

02:06:21.000 Yeah, but even if you stood him next to another middleweight, you would be surprised.

02:06:24.000 Well, he was interviewing Bisping.

02:06:26.000 Bisping was interviewing him.

02:06:27.000 I was like, wow, Bisping's quite a bit larger than him.

02:06:29.000 Yeah.

02:06:30.000 He's just filled with muscle.

02:06:31.000 He's a tank.

02:06:32.000 But, you know, so was Paul Harris, right?

02:06:35.000 Yeah. 0.93

02:06:35.000 He was pretty fucking effective with that style. 0.93

02:06:37.000 Yeah, I love the idea of more weight classes. 0.96

02:06:40.000 I think it's easy to sell fives. 0.98

02:06:43.000 I know, but, you know, we're not idiots. 0.94

02:06:46.000 I mean, come on, we can have numbers that aren't. 0.97

02:06:48.000 I don't know about you. 1.00

02:06:49.000 Some people are idiots. 1.00

02:06:51.000 I don't like the idea of moving welterweight. 1.00

02:06:54.000 It would just be such a shame to lose that weight class. 0.97

02:06:56.000 Oh, that's so silly.

02:06:57.000 You know, in the early days, it was 199 for light heavyweight. 0.58

02:07:01.000 Remember those?

02:07:02.000 When Tito Ortiz first made his debut, it was 199. What was Pride?

02:07:06.000 Was that 190?

02:07:07.000 I don't remember.

02:07:08.000 Because Dan Henderson was either side of the line.

02:07:10.000 Yeah, he won both.

02:07:12.000 Right?

02:07:13.000 Yeah.

02:07:13.000 Dan Anderson, man.

02:07:14.000 People forgot what a fucking savage he was in Pride. 1.00

02:07:17.000 Woo! 1.00

02:07:17.000 What a monster. 1.00

02:07:18.000 That dude took a shot better than anybody that's ever lived. 1.00

02:07:21.000 Goddamn. 1.00

02:07:22.000 Here it goes. 0.96

02:07:24.000 Okay, so middleweight was 205 pounds.

02:07:27.000 Welterweight was 183 pounds.

02:07:30.000 Interesting.

02:07:31.000 Lightweight, 161. Yeah.

02:07:33.000 So those are close.

02:07:35.000 That's interesting.

02:07:36.000 I fought at 161. I fought at 160 twice.

02:07:39.000 What do you walk around at right now?

02:07:41.000 I'm light now.

02:07:41.000 I'm like 82. Wow.

02:07:43.000 Yeah.

02:07:44.000 I always start a training camp over 200 pounds when I was fighting at welterweight.

02:07:49.000 If you fought, you would want to fight welterweight again, right?

02:07:52.000 I'd be open.

02:07:53.000 Yeah.

02:07:54.000 Welterweight.

02:07:54.000 I could probably make lightweight if I had a bit more time.

02:07:57.000 Would you want to?

02:07:57.000 Yeah, I'd give it a go.

02:07:58.000 I'd give it a go.

02:07:59.000 How much body fat do you think you would try to lose first?

02:08:02.000 You would try to lose a lot of body fat first and then get down in the 70s?

02:08:06.000 Yeah.

02:08:06.000 I've got about probably six pounds I could lose without...

02:08:10.000 Me looking unhealthy.

02:08:11.000 Do you eat clean?

02:08:13.000 Yes.

02:08:14.000 Even though you know...

02:08:14.000 Well, not this week, I'm not, because I'm in California.

02:08:17.000 In-N-Out Burger?

02:08:18.000 What are you eating?

02:08:18.000 In-N-Out Burger last night, yeah.

02:08:20.000 I'm having a few, like, you know, I'm walking over Old Grand and having a good, you know, some memories, because I went to the 101 Cafe and had the waffle brownie Sunday.

02:08:28.000 Oh, nice.

02:08:28.000 We used to go there after the Thai boxing fights, and so, yeah, In-N-Out Burger.

02:08:32.000 That place is great.

02:08:32.000 It is awesome.

02:08:33.000 Old school.

02:08:33.000 I love it.

02:08:34.000 But yeah, generally, yes, I do.

02:08:36.000 Generally, yes, I do.

02:08:37.000 And I tend to eat in a small window of time, so like sort of six or eight hours, and that tends to start later in the day.

02:08:44.000 Because I'm on a weird sleep cycle, because I'm living in the UK. Most of the fights, you know, the main card's starting at 3am on a Saturday.

02:08:52.000 Oh my god.

02:08:52.000 So I stay up to watch the fights, and sometimes then I'll work through into Sunday.

02:08:56.000 Doing like radio shows and that kind of thing.

02:08:58.000 Do you stay awake?

02:08:59.000 Yeah, pretty much.

02:09:00.000 So then my whole week kind of kicks over.

02:09:02.000 So I'm usually getting up at about noon and then starting eating at about 6 or 7 in the evening.

02:09:08.000 And I eat for a few hours and then stop.

02:09:10.000 Train late at night as well.

02:09:12.000 And why are you in town right now?

02:09:14.000 Why are you in LA? Well, I'm here for the fights predominantly.

02:09:17.000 I've got my team in town, my YouTube guys, the Raptors.

02:09:21.000 Those gentlemen.

02:09:21.000 They're gentlemen in the other room.

02:09:22.000 They surprised me.

02:09:23.000 I was like, who are you?

02:09:25.000 Yeah, so we started a YouTube channel about three months ago and hit 20,000 subscribers recently, which is awesome.

02:09:30.000 Oh, beautiful.

02:09:31.000 What is it?

02:09:31.000 Tell people.

02:09:32.000 So basically, we've got a few different series.

02:09:35.000 The one I'm working on at the moment is The War Room, which is my breakdowns of the fight.

02:09:39.000 So I do Inside the Octagon for the UFC, but because I only do the main events and the European cards, I get so many messages for the fight.

02:09:46.000 So for this week, everybody wanted a Diaz-Pettis breakdown and a Romero-Costa breakdown.

02:09:51.000 So I've done both of them, and they're up.

02:09:54.000 And this is all you independently, correct?

02:09:56.000 Yes, it is.

02:09:57.000 That's beautiful.

02:09:57.000 Now, are you allowed to use footage?

02:09:59.000 Yes, the UFC are allowed me to use footage on my channel, which is cool.

02:10:03.000 Thank you.

02:10:03.000 Thank you for that.

02:10:04.000 I appreciate it.

02:10:05.000 That's excellent.

02:10:06.000 Why wouldn't they?

02:10:07.000 Well, this is the thing.

02:10:08.000 I'm a UFC ambassador in Europe, so my job is to promote the UFC and promote the sport.

02:10:13.000 I've just taken a job as the head of MMA for UFC gym in Europe, in the UK as well.

02:10:19.000 Oh, excellent.

02:10:19.000 So we've got a load of gyms opening up, and my own gym obviously has opened up.

02:10:23.000 And then, like, the YouTube channel is really my main focus, because it's my way to communicate directly to the fans, because they're constantly asking for breakdowns, so I can do that.

02:10:32.000 And the Raptors are now doing all the media stuff, so they're creating vlogs.

02:10:36.000 But, I mean, today, I actually feel today I was saying this on the drive over, because they wanted to come over and meet your big fans of the podcast and everything.

02:10:43.000 So I brought them to your show in Vegas as well, which blew their mind.

02:10:47.000 But they were supposed to be at media day today interviewing the fighters as part of their job this week.

02:10:52.000 So I said I feel like a parent taking them out of school for the day.

02:10:56.000 Because when we're done here, I'm going to take them to the Mel's drive-thru and then up to Malibu and show them some California.

02:11:02.000 Oh, give them the views.

02:11:03.000 Yeah.

02:11:03.000 Show them the tour.

02:11:04.000 That's excellent, man.

02:11:06.000 I think you do a fantastic job of breaking down fights.

02:11:08.000 I always like your analysis of how things are going to go.

02:11:11.000 And one of the reasons why I was really excited about you being today is because this weekend, it's a great fight card.

02:11:19.000 The Stipe DC rematch is an amazing fight for that card.

02:11:23.000 I love the card in general, but the Paulo Costa-Yoel Romero fight...

02:11:29.000 That's the one that perplexes me.

02:11:30.000 Like, how does that go down? 0.99

02:11:32.000 What happens when these two fucking Brahma bulls smash heads in the middle of the octagon? 0.98

02:11:38.000 First of all, it's all-time best body fight ever, right? 0.99

02:11:41.000 Yes.

02:11:41.000 Oh, for sure.

02:11:42.000 Absolutely.

02:11:43.000 They both look like they're chiseled out of rock. 1.00

02:11:45.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99

02:11:45.000 They look like statues of gods. 0.99

02:11:49.000 Both of them.

02:11:50.000 If you're going through options for bodies, if you could choose, you're like...

02:11:53.000 It's flip a coin in these guys.

02:11:55.000 He ain't getting robbed either way.

02:11:58.000 Romero might have an advantage because he's so freakish.

02:12:02.000 He's so freakishly built that you can't imagine someone having a better body.

02:12:08.000 You just have a different body.

02:12:10.000 Look at the two of them there.

02:12:11.000 Look at Yoel right there when he's posing.

02:12:15.000 He doesn't even look real. 0.76

02:12:16.000 Jesus Christ, he's such a tank dude.

02:12:19.000 The difference in this fight between the two is that I think, well, we know Romero can fight for five rounds and he'll take his time early.

02:12:27.000 But Costa comes out throwing guns straight away.

02:12:30.000 He's dangerous, man.

02:12:30.000 He's wild straight away.

02:12:31.000 Costa's very, very, very dangerous.

02:12:33.000 He's got outstanding striking.

02:12:34.000 He's got real power.

02:12:36.000 And he's fast.

02:12:37.000 He's fast and powerful.

02:12:38.000 The thing is, though...

02:12:40.000 Is he as fast and powerful as Yoel, and you know, he's beaten really good guys like Uriah Hall, but this is the cream of the crop. 0.99

02:12:48.000 I mean, he's in there against the motherfucker of all motherfuckers at 185. You talk about a dude who just can explode on you and send you flying through the air. 0.99

02:12:57.000 He ragdolls people. 1.00

02:12:59.000 He does shit to people when he's wrestling them, and you just go, what the fuck? 1.00

02:13:04.000 He jumps at them with shots. 1.00

02:13:05.000 When he knocked out Luke Rockhold with that left hand, you're like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:13:10.000 And then steps in, boom! 1.00

02:13:12.000 And then kisses him? 1.00

02:13:14.000 Get the fuck out of here, man. 1.00

02:13:17.000 As David Goggins would say, he stole souls. 1.00

02:13:20.000 He stole his souls. 1.00

02:13:21.000 He is a ridiculous athlete. 1.00

02:13:23.000 He's ridiculous. 0.99

02:13:23.000 My thought is that Paolo Costa's undefeated mentality might play into Romero's hands a bit. 0.99

02:13:30.000 Because Costa's going to come crashing forward and Romero will just take his time.

02:13:34.000 Maybe.

02:13:35.000 And Costa has gassed.

02:13:36.000 I mean, he gassed on the ultimate fighter.

02:13:38.000 So if he fights hard for a couple of rounds and Romero's still strong in the third.

02:13:42.000 I think he's a different guy now.

02:13:44.000 I really do.

02:13:45.000 I mean, I think Paul Costa is at the top of the heap for a real reason now.

02:13:50.000 And a lot of it is dedication.

02:13:52.000 Waleed Ismail... 0.99

02:13:54.000 That guy was a lunatic. 1.00

02:13:55.000 I love that guy. 1.00

02:13:56.000 He's training.

02:13:57.000 He's awesome.

02:13:58.000 Yeah.

02:13:59.000 I remember the old pride days. 0.82

02:14:00.000 He's training with Paulo Costa.

02:14:01.000 He's working with them.

02:14:02.000 And he talked to me about them.

02:14:03.000 And you know how crazy Walid is.

02:14:05.000 He's like, he measures his food.

02:14:07.000 That's what he kept saying.

02:14:08.000 He measures his food.

02:14:10.000 That dude has everything portioned out.

02:14:12.000 He's just like 100% eyes on the prize.

02:14:15.000 He goes, that's all he does is train.

02:14:17.000 He goes, this guy doesn't party. 1.00

02:14:19.000 He doesn't fuck around. 0.99

02:14:19.000 He's just concentrating on measuring his food and training. 0.99

02:14:22.000 So what about the money that Romero's come into recently?

02:14:25.000 Crazy!

02:14:26.000 Does that change his mentality at all? 0.99

02:14:27.000 Here's the thing, man.

02:14:28.000 I don't know if it's real.

02:14:30.000 I don't know if they're ever going to give him that money.

02:14:32.000 Really?

02:14:32.000 He's staring down, man.

02:14:33.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:14:35.000 Daddy! 0.96

02:14:36.000 But that's the guy not to tangle with.

02:14:38.000 Security Steve Reid on the right-hand side. 1.00

02:14:40.000 Steve's a bad motherfucker. 0.99

02:14:41.000 Steve's not playing games. 1.00

02:14:43.000 He's got eyes.

02:14:44.000 Look at the dude's eyes. 1.00

02:14:45.000 He knows what the fuck is up. 1.00

02:14:47.000 He saved a couple of shows in Europe that could have gone south. 0.99

02:14:50.000 Oh, I'm sure.

02:14:51.000 I have a little story for you from the Gdansk show.

02:14:53.000 I'm standing on stage at the Wayans.

02:14:55.000 I'm announcing the fighters as they come out.

02:14:57.000 We have a fight on the card.

02:14:59.000 We have a Polish fighter against Anthony Hamilton.

02:15:03.000 And I had the voice come through in my ear saying that that fight wasn't going to be walking.

02:15:07.000 So just to drop it off the schedule, like during the weigh-ins are going.

02:15:10.000 And immediately I'm thinking that's kind of strange.

02:15:13.000 And I'm not sure whether, obviously, you know, some areas of Poland, there's a racial undertone.

02:15:17.000 I wasn't sure whether it was because Anthony Hamilton was going to Get some heat if he walks out on stage.

02:15:22.000 The next thing, I've got quite a unique perspective because I can see down the two tunnels where the fans walk into the floor and I saw this whole bunch of skinheads with bomber jackets and boots just come marching in and they filled the floor space and then they all went and sat down in one of the blocks and just sat there waiting for him. 0.58

02:15:39.000 And it was because he was from a rival football firm.

02:15:42.000 Whoa.

02:15:43.000 Yeah.

02:15:44.000 Oh, I'd heard about that.

02:15:45.000 Yeah.

02:15:45.000 That's right.

02:15:46.000 I'd heard about that.

02:15:47.000 And that's why they canceled the fight.

02:15:48.000 Yeah.

02:15:49.000 They moved it over to Australia. 1.00

02:15:50.000 Fucking man. 1.00

02:15:50.000 They came around security. 1.00

02:15:52.000 They came through the glass at the arena.

02:15:54.000 Just...

02:15:54.000 And if it wasn't for Steve, that whole thing would have gone south.

02:15:59.000 Like, he's the...

02:16:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:16:01.000 Dude, do you imagine if there was a fucking hooligan brawl in the middle of a UFC? Yeah. 0.99

02:16:06.000 That'd be awful.

02:16:07.000 Terrible for the sport.

02:16:08.000 Yeah, that'd be terrible.

02:16:09.000 No, Steve is a wise man.

02:16:11.000 He sees everything.

02:16:12.000 How do you feel like Romero and Costa plays out if you had a bank on it?

02:16:17.000 If I gave you $100, how do you see this play out?

02:16:21.000 I think Costa starts fast, and I think he pushes Romero back up against the fence.

02:16:25.000 Romero defends it, covers and covers, throws a couple of shots to push Costa back, and then I think the second round comes, and Costa comes crashing forward, and Romero catches him with something.

02:16:36.000 Right hook over the top, something like that.

02:16:38.000 The technique I'm watching out for for Costa, which is going to be useful for Romero, he throws a great body kick to left hook.

02:16:45.000 And Romero's got this bad habit, and you can see it all the way through the Whittaker fights.

02:16:49.000 Every time someone throws a kick, he does this over-dramatized scoop with his arm to parry it out of the way.

02:16:55.000 If he's parrying out the way, that body kick is going to be wide open for the left hook. 0.93

02:16:59.000 So that's something I'm watching out for with Costa.

02:17:00.000 I just feel like his overconfidence, his willingness to take risks, and the fact that Romero's patient can take his time, he's never in a rush to get the knockout because he knows he can get it at any point in the fight.

02:17:12.000 I feel like his patience might play off and Costa might walk onto something.

02:17:17.000 Imagine if he KOs Costa and we play this over that. 0.99

02:17:21.000 You look like a goddamn hero. 0.96

02:17:23.000 Yeah, but what's most likely to happen is that it's going to be completely the opposite. 0.99

02:17:26.000 And everyone's going to be like, why has he got a job with the UFC as an analyst?

02:17:29.000 Well, every now and then you're so wrong. 0.97

02:17:32.000 Like when Derek Lewis fought Francis Ngannou, I was like, holy shit, don't go for popcorn. 0.99

02:17:37.000 This is going to be fucking chaos. 0.99

02:17:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:17:39.000 This is gonna be fucking chaos. 1.00

02:17:40.000 I was nervous before that fight started. 1.00

02:17:43.000 I was like, holy shit, here we go. 0.91

02:17:46.000 I'm like, Francis Ngannou's gonna be gunning for the title again. 0.98

02:17:48.000 He's gonna come out guns blazing. 0.99

02:17:50.000 Derek Lewis goes to war every single goddamn time. 0.99

02:17:53.000 They're both enormous. 1.00

02:17:54.000 I'm like, fuck, here we go! 1.00

02:17:57.000 Nothing. 1.00

02:17:57.000 Nothing, nothing, nothing. 1.00

02:18:00.000 Were you working with Cruz on that night?

02:18:02.000 Somebody else who you were working with, and they said the words that you never say during a heavyweight fight.

02:18:07.000 As soon as it's about to start, they go, there's no way this is going the distance.

02:18:11.000 Ooh, yeah, that's a rough thing to say.

02:18:14.000 That kills it straight away.

02:18:14.000 And I remember this.

02:18:15.000 I was so excited, and they went, there's no way this is going the distance.

02:18:19.000 I'm like, would you put that voodoo on me, Ricky Bobby?

02:18:23.000 Yeah.

02:18:24.000 Yeah, that was a rough one, man.

02:18:28.000 But it's interesting how Francis has bounced back.

02:18:31.000 Francis is just nuking everybody now.

02:18:33.000 It's just that mental hump he got stuck on, right?

02:18:36.000 He had to go through that one fight, you know?

02:18:39.000 The thing is sometimes we get these fighters coming into the UFC and they're so talented that they're in the UFC fairly early in their career before they've had any real lessons, especially if they've just starched a bunch of guys.

02:18:49.000 If they come in 10 fights into their career and they've knocked everyone out in the first round, there's no real learning process there because they've not found anyone to challenge them.

02:18:58.000 So then they get into the UFC and then we get to see them go through that process in the UFC. And I think that's what we've seen with Ngannou.

02:19:05.000 It took him getting to a world title for someone to really show him something in his game that made him feel vulnerable.

02:19:11.000 And then we've watched him go through that process.

02:19:15.000 In the moment, it's really annoying because we want to see a mad fight.

02:19:18.000 But in hindsight, you can kind of look at it and go, well, I appreciate that as part of his journey now.

02:19:23.000 I understand where he was at. 0.99

02:19:25.000 You gotta give Stipe credit for taking fucking bombs in that fight. 0.99

02:19:30.000 I mean, he took bombs in that fight. 0.99

02:19:33.000 Especially in that first round. 1.00

02:19:35.000 I'm like, fuck! 1.00

02:19:36.000 Francis is always in it when he's standing in front of you. 1.00

02:19:39.000 When he's standing in front of you, he's always in it.

02:19:42.000 But Stipe managed to just slide away from most of them.

02:19:46.000 The ones he got hit with, he went with them, rolled with them.

02:19:49.000 The ones he got hit clean with, he just absorbed and kept going and ground them out.

02:19:54.000 So here's a question for you then.

02:19:56.000 Do you think you take punches better if you expect the person to punch hard?

02:20:00.000 Probably.

02:20:00.000 Because I would say that he took bigger punches from Ngannou in that fight than the punch from DC. And I would say he was probably more vulnerable to the punch from DC because he probably wasn't expecting DC to knock him out.

02:20:11.000 Could be.

02:20:12.000 Could be.

02:20:12.000 Wouldn't expect to get caught like that in a clinch either.

02:20:15.000 It was a really perfect utilization of the clinch work combined with that crazy big overhand right.

02:20:22.000 I mean, he really set him up perfectly for that, and it was something that obviously was a part of his repertoire.

02:20:28.000 It was not something that was just, oh, it just happened to be there for the moment.

02:20:31.000 He set him up for that.

02:20:33.000 And that was just a perfect right hand, and he caught him when he was looking.

02:20:37.000 I mean, he just didn't know that punch was coming, clipped him, dropped him, put him away.

02:20:41.000 The real question is, what's it going to be like now that he knows that DC can knock him out?

02:20:45.000 I mean, is he going to fight from the outside, try to land big shots?

02:20:49.000 Is he going to avoid the clinch at any cost now?

02:20:51.000 He's got a big height and reach advantage.

02:20:54.000 Can he keep DC off of him?

02:20:55.000 Yeah.

02:20:56.000 And then also...

02:20:59.000 When a fighter has had a lot of wars, like him with Junior Dos Santos, the first fight, it was a war, right?

02:21:06.000 I mean, he's had some wars in his career.

02:21:09.000 The Strew fight.

02:21:10.000 The Ngannou fight.

02:21:11.000 The Strew fight was a war.

02:21:12.000 He got stopped in that fight.

02:21:13.000 You know, how many...

02:21:15.000 The Mark Hunt fight, right?

02:21:16.000 That was a war.

02:21:18.000 Yeah.

02:21:18.000 Wars.

02:21:19.000 He dominated that one from top position as well.

02:21:21.000 And even the Alistair Overeem fight.

02:21:23.000 I mean, that first round was chaos.

02:21:25.000 It was chaos until he wound up stopping him.

02:21:28.000 Yeah.

02:21:42.000 And I think the DC punch was just a punch he didn't see, and it was perfect.

02:21:47.000 Yeah.

02:21:47.000 And it just put him away.

02:21:48.000 Yeah.

02:21:49.000 I'd be surprised if it happens again, first round.

02:21:51.000 I'd be surprised if it happens again, because I think he is going to be far more respectful of the fact that DC's got power now.

02:21:57.000 For sure.

02:21:57.000 I think you're 100% right.

02:21:59.000 And you go back to his UFC debut, and he did fight long.

02:22:02.000 He used to use a real good long jab and a low kick, and recently he's kind of crowded his work a lot.

02:22:08.000 He steps in very close with that right hand, which often offered the clinch to DC. Yeah.

02:22:12.000 He's just KOing so many people that I think that he's like, fuck it. 1.00

02:22:16.000 I'm just going to get in there and just bombs away with these people. 0.99

02:22:19.000 I mean, he makes it exciting.

02:22:21.000 I think he is the least appreciated, successful heavyweight champion ever.

02:22:27.000 And I don't understand it.

02:22:28.000 I don't understand it.

02:22:29.000 He's got everything.

02:22:30.000 He's a...

02:22:31.000 You know, he's a firefighter, an active-duty firefighter.

02:22:35.000 He's a knockout fighter.

02:22:37.000 I mean, he knocked out Verdun moving backwards with a perfectly placed right hand. 1.00

02:22:41.000 He's a fucking animal. 0.99

02:22:44.000 I mean, he fights super exciting. 1.00

02:22:46.000 He's been smashing everybody.

02:22:49.000 He won more heavyweight title fights than anyone in history. 0.99

02:22:55.000 He defended the title four fucking times. 0.97

02:22:57.000 No one's been able to do that. 0.99

02:22:58.000 That's how crazy that division is.

02:23:00.000 And still does not get the respect he deserves.

02:23:03.000 And he seems pissed off this week as well.

02:23:05.000 Good. 1.00

02:23:06.000 Fucking active duty firefighter, man. 1.00

02:23:09.000 Guy's an animal. 1.00

02:23:10.000 Yeah.

02:23:11.000 He seems annoyed.

02:23:12.000 I wonder whether that's going to play into the fight.

02:23:14.000 Because I got the impression from him that he'd not watched the previous fight.

02:23:19.000 I got the impression that he'd not watched the first DC fight.

02:23:21.000 Really?

02:23:22.000 Yeah.

02:23:23.000 So that concerns me because then the idea of what happened in his head might be very different to what actually happened.

02:23:32.000 Well...

02:23:32.000 God, do you really think they would let him not watch that?

02:23:35.000 I don't know.

02:23:36.000 I don't know.

02:23:37.000 I mean, there are some fighters that do.

02:23:38.000 It just blows my mind.

02:23:39.000 And the way he was talking in an interview is like...

02:23:41.000 And the thing that concerns me more is that he was talking about how he was winning that first round.

02:23:48.000 He felt like he was controlling the fight.

02:23:50.000 He did a lot of good things until DC caught him.

02:23:53.000 So if he starts banking on that being just one of those punches that he got caught with, he might not give DC the credit for...

02:24:00.000 You know, opening that vulnerability up.

02:24:02.000 Yeah, I think for sure he must have heard all the different people discuss tactics, though.

02:24:07.000 It just doesn't make any sense to me that he insulates himself that well.

02:24:10.000 And for sure, his coaches over at Strong Style, they've definitely...

02:24:13.000 Oh, they've watched it, for sure.

02:24:14.000 They've watched it, yeah.

02:24:15.000 They understand what...

02:24:16.000 So maybe he relies on his coaches and their guidance of him during training.

02:24:20.000 And for sure he knows that DC knocked him out.

02:24:23.000 So what he's going to do is go in there and fight like he's trying to get it back. 0.96

02:24:27.000 The question is, is he going to be able to use that long reach and that height and that power on the outside and keep DC the fuck away from him? 0.83

02:24:35.000 Because he's got a considerable height and reach advantage. 0.80

02:24:38.000 Can he stuff those takedowns?

02:24:40.000 Can he keep DC from getting on top of him?

02:24:42.000 If he can do all those things, he can get very interesting.

02:24:45.000 And if DC... You know, he's undefeated at heavyweight, man.

02:24:50.000 I mean, I think that's really where he shines. 0.91

02:24:52.000 You look at what he did to Josh Barnett, fucking throws him through the air like a ragdoll when he was in the Strikeforce Grand Prix. 1.00

02:24:58.000 Dude, he was a monster at heavyweight. 0.98

02:25:00.000 You know, and the wrestling's unparalleled.

02:25:02.000 Yeah.

02:25:02.000 So do we get Jones at heavyweight then?

02:25:04.000 I hope so.

02:25:05.000 I do.

02:25:06.000 I really do.

02:25:07.000 I think he wants to do it at light heavyweight, though.

02:25:09.000 I think he wants to prove a point.

02:25:11.000 What DC wants to do at light heavyweight?

02:25:13.000 Yes.

02:25:13.000 I don't think he wants to lose that weight again, does he?

02:25:15.000 What I had heard was that he wanted to fight at light heavyweight if he fights John for a third time.

02:25:21.000 That's what I had heard.

02:25:22.000 And I think I might have heard it from him. 1.00

02:25:24.000 But I would encourage, if I was in his camp, I'd say, fuck all this dieting, bro. 1.00

02:25:30.000 Like, look at you. 1.00

02:25:32.000 When you have a belly, you fuck people up. 1.00

02:25:35.000 And he doesn't worry about food. 0.99

02:25:36.000 He doesn't worry about cutting weight.

02:25:38.000 And he's fast for heavyweight, much like Andy Ruiz.

02:25:42.000 I think there's a benefit in that.

02:25:45.000 Obviously, there's people that knew that Andy Ruiz was a really talented boxer coming in.

02:25:52.000 But there's other people that looked at his body and dismissed him.

02:25:55.000 But when you see the efficiency of those punches and the fact that he's able to uncork so many punches in close, whereas Anthony Joshua with his giant arms and his long length gets a little bit smothered by that closer distance.

02:26:09.000 And he's just dropping bombs on him over the top and big power to him too, man.

02:26:15.000 Perfect mechanics.

02:26:17.000 So fluid.

02:26:19.000 Everything is just smooth and fluid. 0.99

02:26:21.000 Who the fuck knows, man? 0.97

02:26:22.000 Maybe DC's the best heavyweight of all time. 0.99

02:26:24.000 Yeah.

02:26:25.000 Well, I mean, quite possibly.

02:26:26.000 And there's something to be said for that physique as well.

02:26:28.000 There's an efficiency that comes with that.

02:26:30.000 You look at Anthony Joshua, and yeah, he looks like a physical specimen, but the drawbacks would be obvious over rounds, whereas Andy Ruiz, DC, they just keep flowing.

02:26:40.000 And those punches are more about the momentum.

02:26:43.000 You need a certain amount of muscle mass to get the movement started, and then you maintain it with good technique.

02:26:49.000 An additional amount of muscle is not going to make for a heavier punch, really.

02:26:53.000 Right, and he's talked openly about being far stronger in training as a heavyweight than he was as a light heavyweight.

02:27:00.000 He just felt better.

02:27:01.000 I think it's his weight class.

02:27:02.000 I really do.

02:27:07.000 He beat the greatest of all time.

02:27:09.000 I mean, the greatest on paper of all time, at least.

02:27:11.000 At least on paper. 0.99

02:27:12.000 I feel like performance-wise, there was moments where Cain Velasquez was in his prime where I said, like, that's the motherfucker. 0.98

02:27:19.000 That, to me, I mean, I know it doesn't play out on paper because he was injured multiple times out of gang surgeries, but when he was in his prime, man, he was terrifying. 0.98

02:27:29.000 He just didn't stop. 0.97

02:27:31.000 He had welterweight, Colby Covington-style endurance as a fucking heavyweight man. 0.99

02:27:36.000 He didn't make any sense. 0.97

02:27:37.000 And he's slightly bigger than DC everywhere, isn't he?

02:27:39.000 Like, reach and height and everything. 0.99

02:27:42.000 And he could fuck you up on the feet, too. 1.00

02:27:44.000 I mean, he could do everything. 1.00

02:27:45.000 He was so efficient and smooth and just relentless.

02:27:50.000 Relentless.

02:27:51.000 No one more relentless than Cain Velasquez in his prime.

02:27:53.000 For him, it was almost like his body couldn't handle the strength of his brain.

02:27:59.000 Like his mental toughness was so incredible.

02:28:02.000 His body just couldn't keep up with it.

02:28:04.000 His body just starts blowing things up.

02:28:06.000 Because his mind just pressed forward.

02:28:08.000 Go, go, go.

02:28:09.000 You know, and his cardio was just preposterous.

02:28:12.000 Didn't even make sense.

02:28:14.000 Yeah, DC looks in good shape at the Open workouts yesterday.

02:28:16.000 I think he's expecting a harder fight this weekend.

02:28:19.000 You know where we really got robbed?

02:28:21.000 What's that?

02:28:21.000 That we never saw Fedor versus Kane in their prime.

02:28:23.000 Oh.

02:28:24.000 We were robbed.

02:28:25.000 We were really robbed. 1.00

02:28:27.000 Who the fuck knows, man? 1.00

02:28:29.000 Who the fuck knows? 1.00

02:28:30.000 Maybe Fedor would have caught him in an armbar. 1.00

02:28:32.000 Who the fuck knows? 1.00

02:28:33.000 Maybe Kane would have beat the shit out of him. 1.00

02:28:35.000 Who the fuck knows? 0.99

02:28:37.000 We will never know, man. 1.00

02:28:38.000 We'll never know.

02:28:38.000 And now, they're both fighting, but it's too late.

02:28:42.000 It won't be authentic.

02:28:44.000 It won't be authentic now.

02:28:45.000 I'll never forget that suplex.

02:28:47.000 Kevin Randallman's suplexing Fedor.

02:28:49.000 And his face just didn't even change.

02:28:52.000 Cain Velasquez is doing pro wrestling.

02:28:54.000 And he looked good. 1.00

02:28:55.000 He did a lot of wild shit. 1.00

02:28:56.000 It wasn't just like he would go out there and fuck around. 1.00

02:28:59.000 They had some serious choreographed shit. 1.00

02:29:02.000 He did some crazy flips. 1.00

02:29:05.000 Look at this. 1.00

02:29:06.000 Cain Velasquez is a fucking heavyweight wrestler. 1.00

02:29:09.000 Tony Hinchcliffe right now is screaming in his pants. 1.00

02:29:12.000 Like, yes!

02:29:13.000 This is better than fighting!

02:29:15.000 So does that mean that most of his injuries came from training camp then?

02:29:19.000 Hey man, who knows?

02:29:20.000 I think a lot of them must have come from fights too.

02:29:24.000 It's just the mind that he had. 1.00

02:29:26.000 That fucking berserker mindset. 1.00

02:29:29.000 That just juggernaut mindset. 1.00

02:29:32.000 He was dead behind the eyes, man. 1.00

02:29:34.000 He just was coming forward like a fucking shark. 1.00

02:29:36.000 He would see him when he was overwhelming. 1.00

02:29:38.000 Ben Rothwell.

02:29:39.000 You'd see that look on their face.

02:29:41.000 It's very similar to the look on the face you see of a lot of Khabib's victims. 1.00

02:29:45.000 They're like, motherfucker. 1.00

02:29:46.000 This is never going to end. 1.00

02:29:48.000 What kind of animal is this?

02:29:49.000 There's certain people where it's never going to end.

02:29:52.000 Ramon Deckers was another guy.

02:29:54.000 I remember meeting him once.

02:29:55.000 His eyes were just like...

02:29:59.000 Jamie loves this move that he did.

02:30:02.000 Watch this.

02:30:03.000 Here's the move.

02:30:04.000 He jumps up, flips, and throws him on the back.

02:30:06.000 So how can a guy with a bad back do this?

02:30:09.000 It's called what?

02:30:11.000 A Hurricanrana.

02:30:12.000 A Hurricanrana? 0.53

02:30:13.000 That's what it's called?

02:30:15.000 That's the name of the move?

02:30:16.000 Yeah, when you jump up and get your knees around their head and flip them over.

02:30:20.000 We're going to see Tony Ferguson do that soon.

02:30:23.000 You know who's trying something like that?

02:30:25.000 Darren Crookshank.

02:30:26.000 Go to Darren Crookshank's He's over in Rising now, isn't he?

02:30:31.000 Yes.

02:30:31.000 Yeah, he's doing well.

02:30:32.000 What is his Instagram page?

02:30:34.000 Oh, I don't remember.

02:30:35.000 He's like the second coming of Dom Fry.

02:30:37.000 I love that, dude.

02:30:38.000 But he's practicing this really weird takedown defense the other day, and I was wondering if he's actually going to try to use it, where someone's diving on him, and he's drilling this, where someone's going in on a leg, and he's diving onto their back and rolling over the top of their back.

02:30:53.000 He's going back-to-back with them, and then rolling over the front.

02:30:57.000 And I was like, wow, imagine if he pulls this off.

02:30:59.000 I think nobody would expect that. 0.99

02:31:02.000 I mean, maybe they would now that he's put it on fucking Instagram. 0.99

02:31:05.000 But look at that arm bar that DJ did. 0.99

02:31:07.000 Yes.

02:31:08.000 I'm surprised we've not seen a few more people attempting that.

02:31:10.000 I don't think anybody else can do it.

02:31:11.000 Here it is.

02:31:12.000 This is it.

02:31:12.000 The sushi roll.

02:31:14.000 Yeah.

02:31:14.000 Watch it.

02:31:14.000 I mean, he's drilling it unsuccessfully sometimes.

02:31:17.000 Watch this.

02:31:20.000 I mean, he's going over the top.

02:31:22.000 He's doing it with a woman, too.

02:31:24.000 I wonder if that's his wife or something like that. 0.96

02:31:27.000 Because he's being rough on her.

02:31:30.000 Boom, boom. 1.00

02:31:31.000 I wouldn't want this big asshole rolling over my back. 1.00

02:31:35.000 I don't hurt your lower back, man. 1.00

02:31:37.000 See, now he's got it smooth.

02:31:38.000 This is interesting.

02:31:39.000 So it does kind of look like he's actually practicing this. 0.98

02:31:43.000 If he ever pulls that off in a fight, that would be fucking crazy. 0.96

02:31:46.000 Yeah. 0.75

02:31:46.000 But he's a really interesting fighter in that he's got a great blend of traditional martial arts, wrestling, and he's got boxing style, but he also has karate style. 0.75

02:31:58.000 Was it Kyokushin?

02:31:59.000 Was that what he started with?

02:32:00.000 Because he's got those hips that kind of come up at the sides.

02:32:03.000 I'm trying to remember.

02:32:04.000 I'm trying to remember what his original style was.

02:32:06.000 But I know he has a wrestling base too, but I think it was some branch of karate.

02:32:11.000 I don't remember if it was Kyokushin though.

02:32:14.000 One of them.

02:32:16.000 Chodokan, Kyokushin.

02:32:17.000 There's a lot of good stuff in those traditional martial arts.

02:32:19.000 His parents started with Taekwondo.

02:32:20.000 Oh, Taekwondo. 0.98

02:32:22.000 Yeah, so that kind of martial art, traditional martial art style, but with also good boxing and shit. 0.84

02:32:28.000 He's doing really well over in Ryzen.

02:32:30.000 Yeah, I like that promotion.

02:32:32.000 I ordered some of the gloves the other week.

02:32:33.000 How do you watch it, though?

02:32:34.000 You have to watch it online?

02:32:35.000 Yeah, I watch it online.

02:32:36.000 Because the good thing with Ryzen is that usually it's starting when the UFC's just finished.

02:32:40.000 So I'll have been up all night, so the prelims will have started at 11 o'clock, main card's at 3 a.m., then by 6, I'm waiting on the press conference usually, but then Ryzen's starting, so I'm switching.

02:32:51.000 Over to Ryzen.

02:32:52.000 Double espresso.

02:32:52.000 Stay awake.

02:32:53.000 Keep going.

02:32:54.000 Ride it out.

02:32:55.000 Keep going.

02:32:55.000 Did you...

02:32:56.000 I mean, that's where Krohn Gracie started too, right?

02:32:58.000 Yeah.

02:32:59.000 Yeah.

02:32:59.000 Very interesting seeing him in the UFC, isn't it?

02:33:01.000 He is fascinating.

02:33:03.000 He is a fascinating individual.

02:33:04.000 Just, you know, just to...

02:33:05.000 He's just got a unique energy about him, which you would expect from, you know, from Hickson's son of course.

02:33:09.000 Oh, yeah.

02:33:10.000 Dude, he's lineage.

02:33:12.000 They're on a different vibration than they are.

02:33:14.000 I never forget Choke. 0.99

02:33:15.000 I used to watch that all the time.

02:33:17.000 It's incredible.

02:33:18.000 The gnarly breathing that he used to do.

02:33:19.000 Yeah.

02:33:20.000 yeah dude that's like one of the most legendary martial arts documentaries of all time yeah do you remember um do you remember the one uh day of zen mario sperry yes that was like i do that was like it was it was a day it was a day in the life of mario sperry he decided to put one of each of his training sessions from the whole week into the same day there were like five different training sessions and by the last two he was just exhausted like it was quite clear they tried to fit so much into that one day right that was fascinating And he was using one of those vibrating platforms.

02:33:50.000 Do you remember that?

02:33:51.000 Was he really?

02:33:52.000 It always stuck out in my mind.

02:33:53.000 It was like a vibrating platform and he had a medicine ball on it.

02:33:57.000 And he was like holding the medicine ball on this vibrating platform.

02:34:00.000 And then like changing positions like scarf hold.

02:34:02.000 I wonder if that would really help you.

02:34:04.000 Yeah.

02:34:06.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:34:07.000 And then Hickson had the elastic around the head, didn't he?

02:34:10.000 Do you remember that?

02:34:10.000 Do you remember when Mario Sperry started coaching over at Black Zillions?

02:34:14.000 No.

02:34:15.000 Yeah, Mario Sperry became one of the head coaches at Black Zillions for a short period of time and put on these crazy motivational speeches where everybody got fired up.

02:34:24.000 Really? 0.99

02:34:25.000 It's like, God damn! 0.99

02:34:26.000 Yeah, and it didn't work out. 0.98

02:34:28.000 I don't know why it didn't work out, but it was a really exciting development.

02:34:31.000 Because I know Rashad Evans was really excited about having him over there.

02:34:34.000 I mean, I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but I remember when Mario Sperry was coaching the classes and getting everybody fired up. 0.99

02:34:42.000 I'm like, damn! 0.98

02:34:43.000 I mean, he's old school, man. 0.99

02:34:46.000 Was he Carlson Gracie?

02:34:47.000 Yep, Carlson Gracie legend. 1.00

02:34:49.000 When I was a white belt, I was training at Carlson Gracie's on Hawthorne.

02:34:57.000 And Mario Sperry, when he would teach you a class, he would teach you a class, and I knew who he was.

02:35:05.000 I had watched him fight on television.

02:35:08.000 I knew who he was. 0.97

02:35:09.000 I mean, I was like, this is Mario fucking Sperry. 0.89

02:35:12.000 And Murillo Bustamante would be there, and Carlos Pajeto. 0.93

02:35:16.000 Remember all these guys?

02:35:17.000 Yeah.

02:35:18.000 Sergio Cohen was there.

02:35:19.000 All these beasts from the Carlson Gracie hit squad.

02:35:22.000 Mm.

02:35:23.000 And the guy would teach you, and then after he'd teach you, we said thank you, and he's like, no, my friend, thank you for the pleasure of teaching you.

02:35:31.000 Thank you.

02:35:31.000 And he really meant, like, shake everybody's hand.

02:35:33.000 The most gracious, down-to-earth guy ever.

02:35:36.000 But it was hilarious.

02:35:37.000 He was talking about how he practiced his triangle on his girlfriend.

02:35:40.000 He's like, he goes, just repetition, repetition, boom, boom, boom.

02:35:44.000 And my girlfriend's like, no, I don't want you to do it. 0.92

02:35:46.000 He's like, shut up. 0.86

02:35:47.000 Keep going, keep going, keep going. 0.96

02:35:49.000 He's like talking about like practicing on friends, like get friends to like let you triangle them over and over again.

02:35:55.000 Yeah, this is when he had white hair at the time.

02:35:59.000 So this is UFC 220. He's training with Volkan Ozdemir.

02:36:03.000 I wonder where he's at now.

02:36:05.000 Because he was really good at it, man.

02:36:07.000 He was really good at, like, hyping people up.

02:36:10.000 And, you know, obviously his jiu-jitsu knowledge is top of the food chain.

02:36:13.000 Yeah, he was in a bunch of the corners in the early UFC, wasn't he?

02:36:17.000 Yeah.

02:36:17.000 Was he in, like, Vito's corner and that kind of thing?

02:36:19.000 I don't remember.

02:36:20.000 I don't remember, but he's a true legend.

02:36:23.000 You know, there's a few of those guys.

02:36:25.000 250 and 0 or something.

02:36:26.000 Yeah.

02:36:27.000 He was one of those guys from the early days of martial arts that was a real jiu-jitsu master.

02:36:33.000 He was a real master.

02:36:35.000 And they lived in the gym as well back then.

02:36:38.000 Everything about their life revolved around the gym.

02:36:42.000 Trying to find that kind of environment now.

02:36:46.000 I mean, Danaher's, as we were talking about, Henzo Gracie's, I'd imagine that's got a very similar vibe, you know, in a basement in New York.

02:36:52.000 Everyone's showing up every day and grinding, doing the same thing.

02:36:55.000 But it's such a rare environment to find yourself in.

02:36:58.000 Do you remember when Mario Sperry got tapped out by that badass Russian dude? 1.00

02:37:05.000 He was the badass Russian dude.

02:37:06.000 The Russian dude was the same guy that Frank Shamrock KO'd with a slam. 0.97

02:37:10.000 I'm trying to remember.

02:37:11.000 Amar Suluev?

02:37:12.000 I think he opened up a gym.

02:37:14.000 Who?

02:37:15.000 Mario Sperry.

02:37:16.000 I look like he opened up a couple of gyms called Hard Knocks 365. Oh, okay.

02:37:19.000 That's Henry Hooft.

02:37:20.000 Okay.

02:37:21.000 All right.

02:37:21.000 So that's where he's at?

02:37:22.000 He's with Henry Hooft.

02:37:23.000 Yeah.

02:37:24.000 That's where he was originally, too.

02:37:27.000 Google Frank Shamrock's mixed martial arts record.

02:37:31.000 Frank Shamrock slammed this dude and KO'd him, and this guy was famous for having beaten Mario Sperry in the old school, what was it called?

02:37:44.000 Battlecade?

02:37:47.000 I don't remember.

02:37:47.000 I remember Extreme Fighting.

02:37:49.000 Extreme Fighting.

02:37:49.000 That's what it was.

02:37:50.000 Extreme Fighting Battlecade.

02:37:51.000 That was where...

02:37:52.000 John Peretti's organization.

02:37:53.000 That was where Conan fought Maurice Smith.

02:37:56.000 So here it is.

02:37:57.000 Go...

02:37:57.000 Where are we at here?

02:37:58.000 Go back a little low.

02:38:00.000 Hold on.

02:38:00.000 Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

02:38:02.000 Igor Zinoviev.

02:38:03.000 That's who it was.

02:38:04.000 Igor Zinoviev.

02:38:04.000 Remember Igor Zinoviev?

02:38:05.000 He was a beast. 0.95

02:38:06.000 Yes. 0.92

02:38:06.000 Dangerous guy. 0.92

02:38:07.000 Well, Igor had cut Mario Sperry open. 0.63

02:38:11.000 He had a big-ass gash in his forehead, and Mario wound up tapping.

02:38:15.000 But Igor Zinoviev was, I think it was a Sambo guy. 0.68

02:38:18.000 Yeah, I remember that guy. 0.99

02:38:20.000 Tough motherfucker. 1.00

02:38:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:38:21.000 There were some scary dudes that passed through the UFC a while back. 1.00

02:38:24.000 I remember there were two from the Red Devils.

02:38:26.000 There was Andrei Semenov and Amar Suloev.

02:38:29.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:38:30.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

02:38:31.000 Igor Zinovia was Jeffrey Epstein's security guard? 1.00

02:38:35.000 No fucking way. 0.99

02:38:38.000 That's right. 1.00

02:38:39.000 Oh my god, look at his face.

02:38:41.000 That's him.

02:38:42.000 That's crazy, dude.

02:38:44.000 That is crazy.

02:38:48.000 Former MMA guy gives alarmingly cagey interview about working for Jeffrey Epstein.

02:38:53.000 Click on that. 0.99

02:38:55.000 We've got all this shit to look forward to. 0.99

02:38:58.000 Alarmingly cagey interview. 0.99

02:39:00.000 Who is this that's saying this?

02:39:03.000 MMA-guy? 0.74

02:39:05.000 Deadspin.

02:39:06.000 Oh, it's Deadspin.

02:39:07.000 Oh, so scroll down a little bit. 0.99

02:39:09.000 Let me see what the fuck it has to say here. 0.97

02:39:11.000 So that's crazy that we're talking about this guy just randomly. 0.99

02:39:15.000 Wow.

02:39:16.000 Wow.

02:39:18.000 He said, one thing you told me, for instance, okay, one thing you told me is he got a heads up when the authorities were going to come to his house the night before.

02:39:25.000 And then he says, listen, what you say is between you and me.

02:39:28.000 Okay, let's leave this alone.

02:39:33.000 But anyway, feel free to Google.

02:39:35.000 Ladies and gentlemen, that's crazy.

02:39:37.000 They were just bringing him up, and it turns out he was Jeffrey Epstein's security guard.

02:39:40.000 That's crazy.

02:39:42.000 He was a real veteran.

02:39:44.000 I mean, that guy was on the early, early days of the John Peretti promotion.

02:39:48.000 He was a beast, man.

02:39:49.000 I remember getting those video cassettes from the Virgin Megastore in town, UFC 2 and 3. Man, I remember when you first started fighting in the UFC. I remember those days.

02:40:01.000 Yeah.

02:40:02.000 It's crazy.

02:40:02.000 It seems like it was a long time ago, but not really.

02:40:05.000 Like, it still seems like it makes sense.

02:40:07.000 89. I was in double figures.

02:40:10.000 Wow.

02:40:11.000 UFC 89. And that's the only time I've ever been cut, believe it or not.

02:40:16.000 Really?

02:40:16.000 I've only ever had five stitches.

02:40:18.000 Yeah, if someone looks at you, you're a beautiful man.

02:40:20.000 They would never imagine you get hit in the face for a living.

02:40:22.000 Single as well now.

02:40:23.000 Whoa, look at that.

02:40:24.000 Single and ready to mingle with that beautiful face.

02:40:27.000 Yeah, only ever had five stitches.

02:40:28.000 That's incredible.

02:40:29.000 Yeah, right.

02:40:30.000 And that was my UFC debut.

02:40:32.000 Akihiro Gona.

02:40:33.000 Hit me with an open palm and it was the seam on the inside of the club.

02:40:35.000 Mmm.

02:40:36.000 Yeah.

02:40:37.000 Yeah, going back to the whole idea of people fighting bare knuckle, I've since amended my thoughts on it.

02:40:42.000 Just too many cuts.

02:40:45.000 Really because of Chris Lieben's last cut from Dakota Cochran.

02:40:48.000 He had a giant gap.

02:40:49.000 Have you seen it?

02:40:50.000 I don't think I have, no.

02:40:52.000 It's a rough one.

02:40:53.000 Yeah.

02:40:54.000 I don't really watch the bare knuckle stuff too much.

02:40:56.000 Go to Chris Lieben's Instagram page.

02:40:59.000 I'm looking forward to it developing because I think it will.

02:41:01.000 I have no problem with it.

02:41:02.000 I think people should be allowed to do whatever they want, fight under whatever rules they want.

02:41:06.000 But at the moment, it just looks like they're boxing with no gloves on.

02:41:10.000 Yeah.

02:41:11.000 As opposed to bare knuckle boxing, which I think looks very different.

02:41:14.000 Is there any video at all of people bare knuckle boxing from the olden days?

02:41:17.000 Look at that picture.

02:41:19.000 Look at that picture.

02:41:20.000 Dude, that's horrific.

02:41:22.000 I remember when he fought Michael Bisping.

02:41:23.000 Do you remember his face after that fight?

02:41:25.000 He was sat next to me at the press conference like a bus had hit him.

02:41:28.000 Yeah.

02:41:29.000 He's had some tough fights.

02:41:30.000 Two tough for his own good.

02:41:32.000 Anderson Silva's UFC debut.

02:41:33.000 Ooh, yeah.

02:41:35.000 Ding, ding, ding, ding.

02:41:37.000 Yeah.

02:41:38.000 I remember when he knocked out Vanderlei. 0.99

02:41:42.000 He lured Vanderlei into a fucking war. 0.99

02:41:44.000 And Terry Martin as well. 1.00

02:41:45.000 That was a back and forth one. 0.71

02:41:47.000 He could KO you, man. 1.00

02:41:48.000 And if you wanted to stand in front of Chris and you wanted to swing wild punches, he'd shut your fucking lights out. 1.00

02:41:53.000 All day. 0.99

02:41:54.000 And when he did that to Vanderlei, I was like, whoa.

02:41:58.000 Yeah.

02:41:59.000 But it's like two entire different styles of fighting, isn't it?

02:42:03.000 Like the Chris Lieben style of fighting, which we all love, and the Anderson Silva fighter style of fighting, which is like witchcraft.

02:42:10.000 I remember I was cage-side when he knocked out Tony Fricklin with that open elbow.

02:42:15.000 Oh yeah, you were there?

02:42:15.000 I was there.

02:42:16.000 And when he fought Lee Murray, I mean people don't talk about that fight, but he just dismantled Lee Murray.

02:42:21.000 Yeah, he did.

02:42:22.000 Murray was a talent that we lost early.

02:42:24.000 He made different decisions that led him down a different path.

02:42:28.000 Few unfortunate choices.

02:42:29.000 Yeah, right.

02:42:31.000 But yeah, he dismantled him in that fight.

02:42:33.000 Yeah.

02:42:34.000 What do you got here?

02:42:35.000 Sam, right?

02:42:37.000 That's me.

02:42:38.000 UFC 89?

02:42:39.000 That's me.

02:42:39.000 Yeah, that was the card that he was on.

02:42:41.000 But if you can find a photo of him at the press conference afterwards, it'll look like the elephant, man.

02:42:45.000 Oh, it was bad.

02:42:47.000 Pictures right here.

02:42:48.000 Oh, this is...

02:42:49.000 Yeah, UFC debut.

02:42:50.000 Same fight.

02:42:51.000 Yeah.

02:42:51.000 Yeah, there it is.

02:42:53.000 Like Bisping just ate him up.

02:42:54.000 Teed off on him.

02:42:55.000 Yeah.

02:42:55.000 That was still 15-minute fights as well in main events.

02:42:59.000 So that was only a 15-minute fight.

02:43:01.000 Yeah, isn't that interesting?

02:43:03.000 What do you think about the five-round main event?

02:43:05.000 Do you like that?

02:43:06.000 Yeah, I don't mind it.

02:43:07.000 Even if it's not a championship fight?

02:43:08.000 Yeah, I don't mind it.

02:43:09.000 It changes the sport.

02:43:11.000 It changes the way that fighters approach the sport, I think.

02:43:14.000 It changes their output.

02:43:16.000 There are some fighters that will go, okay, you want 25 minutes?

02:43:19.000 I'll just spread out my same workload over 25 instead of 15. The thing I like about it is that it can be far more tactical and the one thing that I enjoy about boxing is the fact that you can implement a narrative in the first round that can play out in the later rounds and you can allow it to breathe a bit because you've got 12 segments that are being scored separately.

02:43:39.000 You can gamble a few and you can play that game whereas in MMA you lose one round you've got to win two.

02:43:45.000 So the five rounds you can lose one, you can even lose two if you're feeling very brave and then win the last three.

02:43:51.000 So I don't mind it too much.

02:43:53.000 I don't mind it too much.

02:43:54.000 Yeah, I think it definitely changes the way you fight, right?

02:43:57.000 I mean, if all boxing matches were like glory fights, like glory fights, three rounds for the non-title fights, and they're only three-minute rounds, those guys go to war.

02:44:08.000 Yeah.

02:44:08.000 I mean, it's one of the reasons why it's so exciting is because there's such a high output, high volume, because they know there's only three rounds.

02:44:14.000 Mm-hmm.

02:44:15.000 Yeah, it's interesting because tactics do get adjusted.

02:44:18.000 You just have to start faster.

02:44:19.000 You have to do your first two rounds in the dressing room before you walk out.

02:44:23.000 What do you think about Pettis versus Diaz this weekend?

02:44:27.000 Honestly, I took some stick for this on the YouTube.

02:44:31.000 You took stick?

02:44:32.000 Stick.

02:44:33.000 That's a Britishism, is it? 1.00

02:44:35.000 Is that dick? 1.00

02:44:36.000 Shit. 1.00

02:44:36.000 You took shit? 1.00

02:44:37.000 Okay. 1.00

02:44:38.000 Stick sounds like dick. 0.99

02:44:39.000 No one says that. 1.00

02:44:40.000 I took some dick. 1.00

02:44:40.000 Yeah, I won't say that again. 1.00

02:44:42.000 Did you know what he was saying?

02:44:43.000 I never heard that before.

02:44:45.000 I'm trying not to nitpick.

02:44:46.000 I'm learning.

02:44:47.000 I'm still learning.

02:44:49.000 So, what did you think?

02:44:51.000 I think Pettis has got the skills to beat Diaz everywhere.

02:44:53.000 Really?

02:44:54.000 Yes, I do.

02:44:55.000 I think he's a better striker all round.

02:44:58.000 I think he's got a higher fight IQ, at least what he shows us.

02:45:02.000 He makes better decisions than Diaz does.

02:45:04.000 I think Diaz relies far too much on his toughness and his ego and his ability to walk through stuff.

02:45:10.000 And it worked sometimes.

02:45:11.000 It worked against Michael Johnson.

02:45:12.000 He got his front leg battered in that fight and just kept marching him down and eventually forced him into a boxing match.

02:45:18.000 And that could happen against Pettis.

02:45:19.000 There's no doubt about it.

02:45:21.000 My feeling is that Pettis has got the skills to start setting Diaz up because Diaz is very predictable.

02:45:26.000 You can make him walk the directions that you want.

02:45:30.000 You can make him lean in the ways that you want to lean.

02:45:32.000 If you've got the ability to land the strikes that matter, then you can put him out.

02:45:37.000 And, you know, same thing with Costa having the body kick to the left hook.

02:45:41.000 I feel like Pettis has got, well, he used it against Tony Ferguson.

02:45:45.000 He used it against Michael Chiesa.

02:45:46.000 It's a right body kick to a straight right.

02:45:49.000 And because Diaz is southpaw and he leans so heavy on that lead leg, blocking the body kick and eating the straight right might be something that Pettis is going to be looking for.

02:45:57.000 But I just, I feel like Diaz is there to be hit.

02:45:59.000 And I think he uses that to his advantage because he's kind of Homer Simpson's people.

02:46:03.000 Like, you wear yourself out hitting me, and then I'll start to push my game on you.

02:46:08.000 But when you think about him against talented strikers, like you brought up Michael Johnson who chopped at his leg, but he wound up beating him up.

02:46:15.000 But the Conor McGregor fight, Conor is a very skillful striker.

02:46:19.000 And in both fights, he wasn't really able to do much with Nate.

02:46:23.000 He clipped him a couple times in the second fight and dropped him.

02:46:27.000 And, you know, there's speculation.

02:46:30.000 Like, did he drop because he got knocked down?

02:46:33.000 Or did he drop because he felt like it was a good enough punch to lay down and have Conor come and meet him and wrap him up and catch him in something, which he easily could.

02:46:43.000 You know?

02:46:45.000 You don't know.

02:46:45.000 I mean, part of his strategy might have been to try to lure Conor into following him to the ground.

02:46:50.000 For sure.

02:46:51.000 Vadim tried to do that against Mark Hunt a couple of times.

02:46:53.000 You know, he takes an overhand and falls to the floor.

02:46:55.000 He did it to Fedor.

02:46:56.000 Yeah.

02:46:56.000 I mean, I do feel like Conor caught him at least a couple of times clean and rocked him.

02:47:00.000 He definitely did.

02:47:01.000 He definitely did.

02:47:02.000 But then Nate came back, and it was a really close fight at the end.

02:47:06.000 A really close fight.

02:47:08.000 An excellent fight. 0.99

02:47:09.000 But Conor McGregor is a fucking skillful striker. 0.99

02:47:12.000 And... 0.99

02:47:13.000 I don't know who would win Conor McGregor vs.

02:47:16.000 Pettis, but Conor McGregor has proven in the Dustin Poirier fight, in the Jose Aldo fight, he's proven in the Eddie Alvarez fight. 0.96

02:47:23.000 He fucking shuts people's lights out. 0.94

02:47:26.000 Was not able to do that to Nate Diaz. 0.99

02:47:29.000 So I think, I mean, in my perspective, you might be underestimating Nate Diaz.

02:47:33.000 I think Nadia is a lot slicker than he appears, and he's harder to hit. 0.99

02:47:38.000 He knows how to use his jab and his long left hand.

02:47:42.000 He's not like the best kicker in the world, but he's never really had that as a part of his arsenal.

02:47:47.000 But his ground game is super, super high level. 0.99

02:47:50.000 He's tough as shit. 1.00

02:47:51.000 His endurance is ridiculous. 1.00

02:47:54.000 I'm not going to underestimate any of that.

02:47:55.000 One thing I will say, though, is that the difference in the way that the fighters absorb punches is different.

02:48:00.000 So all the people that you mentioned that got knocked out by McGregor, they were all leaning heavy on their lead leg.

02:48:06.000 So to me, that is like hitting a punch bag that's hanging from the ceiling.

02:48:10.000 Hitting Nate Diaz is like hitting a punch bag that's standing on the floor because his weight is so spread over his base that when you hit him, you know those inflatable stand-up punch bags?

02:48:19.000 If you blast that thing in the top, it just rocks away and comes back.

02:48:23.000 It's like a reed in the wind.

02:48:25.000 That's how he was able to absorb those shots from McGregor because as they were coming at him, he was already moving away and he was able to ride the power and then McGregor was overextending.

02:48:35.000 There's no doubt he's a durable individual.

02:48:37.000 I'm just saying that he leans on that sometimes too much.

02:48:39.000 Yeah, it's also...

02:48:40.000 We've seen Pettis now at 45, 55, and now 70. It's really wild to see.

02:48:49.000 And you go by that Wonderboy Thompson knockout, it's like, man, maybe this is his weight class.

02:48:56.000 Like, if he can do that to Wonderboy, maybe this is his weight class.

02:49:00.000 Maybe.

02:49:00.000 I mean, maybe this guy's been just torturing himself...

02:49:04.000 Dehydrating himself and not fighting like he's capable of because his body's always weakened like his number one complaint was when he went down to 45 he was a dead man yeah he looked terrible his body just couldn't do it so he goes back up to 55 and like discouraged and then on this wild whim takes this fight at 70 against Wonderboy and Fucking Superman punches him in the mug and KOs him. 0.62

02:49:28.000 Like seeing Wonderboy out cold for the first time in a UFC fight and seeing it happen because of Pettis.

02:49:33.000 I mean, he gets tagged again while he's out.

02:49:36.000 He's totally stiff.

02:49:37.000 You're like, wow.

02:49:38.000 Yeah, he's definitely got power.

02:49:39.000 There's no doubt about it.

02:49:40.000 Tyron Woodley couldn't stop him.

02:49:42.000 Nobody else has stopped Wonderboy, have they?

02:49:44.000 No.

02:49:45.000 Been dropped a few times, but not stopped.

02:49:47.000 Masvidal wasn't able to stop him.

02:49:49.000 Maybe he underestimated.

02:49:52.000 Maybe he wasn't expecting Pettis to have the power to knock him out.

02:49:54.000 I'm starting to feel that's a thing.

02:49:56.000 I'm starting to feel like if you're expecting of the power, you're more braced to...

02:50:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:50:03.000 Sure.

02:50:03.000 You've got your shock absorbers on.

02:50:04.000 You're ready to absorb that.

02:50:06.000 It's a good argument.

02:50:07.000 It's a real good argument.

02:50:08.000 The other thing to keep in mind is that Pettis at 170 is the same human that he was at 145 but without all the suffering.

02:50:16.000 So it's finding that right amount of suffering.

02:50:19.000 And I think a little bit of suffering for a weight cut is good.

02:50:22.000 I liked it.

02:50:23.000 I always thought about it.

02:50:24.000 I always likened it to the march to battle.

02:50:27.000 If I'm...

02:50:29.000 The Peloponnesian Wars, I'm picking my sword and shield up.

02:50:32.000 I'm not stepping out of my house onto the battlefield.

02:50:35.000 I'm stepping out and walking miles and miles.

02:50:38.000 So that process, that was the weight cut for me.

02:50:41.000 You know, the walking to the battlefield.

02:50:43.000 And I enjoyed that.

02:50:44.000 And I think that we saw McGregor at 170 didn't have that.

02:50:48.000 You see McGregor on the scales at 155 or 145 and he's feral.

02:50:52.000 Like, he's wild.

02:50:54.000 You saw him on the scales at 170 and he's smiling, he's rubbing his belly.

02:50:57.000 He's not marched to the battlefield.

02:50:59.000 Interesting.

02:51:00.000 And I think there's something in that psychology as well.

02:51:03.000 Even if it's a small weight cut.

02:51:04.000 And I've done everything from 3 pounds to 16 pounds.

02:51:08.000 And I know how I felt across the board.

02:51:11.000 How did you feel best?

02:51:12.000 About 8. 8 was good for me.

02:51:14.000 So you put a little bit back on, you feel strong and big for the weight class, but you're not depleted.

02:51:20.000 Mm-hmm.

02:51:21.000 I mean, usually I would be back up to like 184, 186 when I was fighting at 170. That was my good weight.

02:51:30.000 Around 184 was comfortable because then I didn't feel too bloated and too slow.

02:51:33.000 I've been up closer to 190 before and it just didn't suit the way that I fought.

02:51:37.000 So there's a point of diminishing returns for you.

02:51:40.000 For sure.

02:51:40.000 And did you use IVs during those days?

02:51:44.000 One time I used an IV. Only one time?

02:51:46.000 Yeah, never really.

02:51:48.000 For me, it was quite an internal process.

02:51:51.000 I always cut weight on my own.

02:51:53.000 And I always found it strange that everybody else...

02:51:55.000 Yeah, I always did.

02:51:56.000 You don't have anybody rubbing your shoulders?

02:51:57.000 No, none of that.

02:51:58.000 Scraping on me with a room card.

02:52:00.000 Have you seen that?

02:52:01.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

02:52:01.000 It's like, I'm not buying that.

02:52:03.000 It was always a personal thing for me.

02:52:05.000 So like, you know, running through the streets of Tokyo with trash bags on or...

02:52:09.000 Oh, okay.

02:52:09.000 Sitting in the corner of the sauna in my own head.

02:52:11.000 Who's the most ridiculous weight cutter you ever saw in terms of volume? 0.99

02:52:16.000 Oh, man. 0.99

02:52:17.000 Anthony Johnson, for sure.

02:52:18.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

02:52:19.000 No contest.

02:52:20.000 So when I fought him in Seattle, he cut weight Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night to weigh in on the Friday.

02:52:27.000 And I don't know for sure this, but from what I understand, he was 214 on the night when he rehydrated.

02:52:33.000 He looked like a different human being.

02:52:35.000 Oh my god.

02:52:36.000 He went from 170 to 214? 0.91

02:52:39.000 Yeah, it was ridiculous. 0.80

02:52:40.000 He was massive. 0.89

02:52:41.000 And like my whole game plan, because this for me, and this was a good lesson for me, because he punked me in this one.

02:52:47.000 I put all my eggs in one basket.

02:52:49.000 That's a phrase that everyone understands.

02:52:50.000 So I thought if I can trash talk him into making weight, I'll make sure that I can get him tied in the fight. 0.99

02:52:57.000 And then I'll start to wear on him in the later rounds with my footwork and my movement.

02:53:02.000 And I just come off a knockout loss to Carlos Condit.

02:53:04.000 And then I get called up and I've got Anthony Johnson, who's never not knocked anybody out at welterweight.

02:53:09.000 So immediately I'm thinking to myself, well, first of all, somebody at the UFC hates me.

02:53:13.000 Okay.

02:53:15.000 And second of all, I've got to deal with this monster in some way.

02:53:18.000 So I thought, it's going to be a rough fight.

02:53:21.000 He's going to throw power at me.

02:53:22.000 So if I can at least get him to throw and fatigue himself, then my window of opportunity will come later in the fight.

02:53:28.000 And the original main event was Tito against Naguera.

02:53:33.000 And Tito pulled out of the fight injured, so they put Phil Davis in.

02:53:36.000 And immediately I got a message on Twitter from Anthony Johnson, like DM on Twitter, and he was like, I can't believe they didn't bump us up to the main event.

02:53:43.000 We need to steal the show.

02:53:44.000 We need to, you know, like, and we were friends.

02:53:46.000 We used to do signings at Tap Out with Tap Out and stuff all the time.

02:53:50.000 So we were going back and forth throughout training camp.

02:53:52.000 This is going to be great.

02:53:53.000 We're going to have a wild fight.

02:53:54.000 We're going to, you know, just kind of basically kind of psyching each other up for the fight.

02:53:59.000 Me coming off a knockout, I'm thinking to myself, there's no way he's not going to try and knock me out.

02:54:03.000 Right.

02:54:04.000 So I went into the fight with the full intention that I was going to have to move around and cover and try and counter him until he got tired.

02:54:11.000 Then I was going to take advantage of that.

02:54:14.000 He hit me with a head kick like early on in the fight and I blocked it.

02:54:18.000 It didn't knock me out, it knocked me down.

02:54:20.000 It knocked me over.

02:54:21.000 It was just a heavy leg just like being hit with a tree trunk.

02:54:24.000 Bang! 1.00

02:54:24.000 I hit the deck. 1.00

02:54:26.000 Then I think there was a scramble back to the feet and then he took me down and I dislocated my thumb on that first takedown.

02:54:31.000 And you can see in the fight, I actually reach over it because I had him in my guard.

02:54:35.000 I reached over and put my thumb back in.

02:54:38.000 And it's still crooked.

02:54:39.000 It's still not quite right.

02:54:41.000 But then, like, he just drowned me with wrestling and I had just not...

02:54:46.000 I'm not prepared for that.

02:54:48.000 I put all my eggs in one basket.

02:54:49.000 It was going to be a counter-striking match, and I was going to defend his strikes, and I didn't expect him to try and take me down at all.

02:54:55.000 Dude, I think that weight class, when he was cutting down from way above 200 to get to 170, I think it tired him so badly.

02:55:03.000 We didn't see the real Anthony Johnson until he went up to light heavyweight, which is so crazy.

02:55:07.000 Remember, he missed weight at 85 and Vitor beat him up.

02:55:10.000 In 197 he weighed in?

02:55:12.000 Something like that?

02:55:12.000 Something crazy like that.

02:55:13.000 But I think his next fight after me was Andrei Orlovsky at heavyweight.

02:55:17.000 Look at what he looked like at 170. Skeletor!

02:55:20.000 Yeah.

02:55:21.000 And then look at him at 230. Crazy.

02:55:23.000 As a light heavyweight, he was the scariest. 0.98

02:55:26.000 Terrifying. 0.99

02:55:27.000 Because his power was fucking immense. 0.99

02:55:29.000 But he's another guy. 0.99

02:55:30.000 He fought at heavyweight in the PFL and fucked up Andrei Orlovsky, and now he's a million pounds.

02:55:38.000 Now he's so big. 0.97

02:55:39.000 He's so big, man.

02:55:40.000 You know, I saw him in the lobby of the hotel in Stockholm after he fought Alexander Gustafsson, after he knocked Gustafsson out.

02:55:47.000 And I walked into the lobby of the hotel and he was there taking a few photos and stuff.

02:55:51.000 And I walked up to him and I said, I'm glad you didn't do that to me.

02:55:54.000 And he shook my hand and he went, I like you though.

02:55:58.000 Thank God for that.

02:55:59.000 Thank God. 1.00

02:56:00.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:56:01.000 He's a perfect example of a guy that when he wasn't depleting his body, we got to see what he could really do. 1.00

02:56:07.000 Yeah.

02:56:08.000 And like the Noguera fight, oh my Jesus. 0.99

02:56:10.000 Yeah.

02:56:11.000 He kept him on his feet with an uppercut.

02:56:12.000 Yeah, his power is just extraordinary. 0.99

02:56:14.000 When he knocked out Glover with one punch, he's like, God damn, this guy's extraordinary.

02:56:19.000 But it was really interesting when I talked to him when he retired. 0.95

02:56:22.000 He retired in the octagon.

02:56:23.000 He said, I'm an athlete.

02:56:24.000 He goes, I'm not a fighter.

02:56:26.000 He goes, I don't like doing this.

02:56:26.000 I'm just good at it.

02:56:28.000 I'm like, wow.

02:56:29.000 Like how crazy that probably the most dangerous knockout artist in the history of the light heavyweight division.

02:56:36.000 I would say that.

02:56:37.000 Yeah, I would say. 0.99

02:56:38.000 Who the fuck's more dangerous than Anthony Rumble Johnson? 0.99

02:56:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:56:41.000 If he connects on you, the only person that absorbed it was DC. DC absorbed that head kick. 0.99

02:56:46.000 DC absorbed a big right hand in the first fight that sent him scrambling.

02:56:50.000 Mm-hmm.

02:56:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:56:53.000 Ridiculous puncher. 1.00

02:56:54.000 Ridiculous power. 1.00

02:56:55.000 Ridiculous. 0.99

02:56:56.000 Especially he's a comfortable weight for him. 0.97

02:56:58.000 Dude, the Glover fight was stunning.

02:57:00.000 We never saw Glover get knocked down.

02:57:02.000 And then all sides, boom!

02:57:03.000 One punch.

02:57:04.000 Bank.

02:57:04.000 Out cold.

02:57:06.000 Yeah.

02:57:06.000 Remember the knockout that I always remember is the Shane Carwin-Gonzaga fight?

02:57:11.000 Mm-hmm.

02:57:12.000 Because that was like a six-inch punch.

02:57:14.000 Oh, yeah.

02:57:14.000 And Gonzaga just folded on the spot.

02:57:16.000 Didn't he KO Jimmy Manoa, too?

02:57:18.000 Oh, he did.

02:57:19.000 Yeah.

02:57:20.000 Yes, he did. 0.99

02:57:20.000 He fucks everybody up. 0.99

02:57:21.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:57:22.000 Except DC. DC just had that number.

02:57:25.000 Takes those shots so well.

02:57:26.000 He takes those shots so well and his wrestling is so overwhelming.

02:57:29.000 Yeah.

02:57:30.000 And in that fight, he just wasn't physically prepared to do that.

02:57:34.000 And it's that same game plan twice.

02:57:36.000 Mm-hmm.

02:57:37.000 I'm calling it the grind cycle.

02:57:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:57:40.000 He gets you trapped in that cycle.

02:57:42.000 Yep.

02:57:42.000 He puts you against the fence.

02:57:43.000 He takes you down.

02:57:43.000 He beats you up until he gives you his back.

02:57:46.000 Strangles you.

02:57:47.000 It's a beautiful thing to watch.

02:57:49.000 It's very, very effective.

02:57:50.000 I'm so curious as to whether or not he's going to be able to do that again this weekend.

02:57:54.000 What he's going to be able to do this weekend with Stipe and what Stipe has for him.

02:57:58.000 What he has planned and how he approaches the fight.

02:58:01.000 He's got to know that it was hard to get this rematch.

02:58:05.000 And DC's on his way out.

02:58:07.000 DC's publicly saying this might be his last fight.

02:58:10.000 He doesn't know.

02:58:11.000 And then...

02:58:12.000 Dana White is saying, reluctantly, I'll let you guys fight at light heavyweight if you fight Jon Jones, the remaster.

02:58:17.000 They're talking about another fight other than this fight, which I hate.

02:58:21.000 I never liked that.

02:58:22.000 Yeah.

02:58:22.000 And he's, what, a year past the date, he said he was going to retire as well, right?

02:58:26.000 DC? I think he said at 40, right?

02:58:29.000 Did he say at 40?

02:58:30.000 Yeah.

02:58:30.000 So it's at the end of 2018. Right.

02:58:32.000 You know what though, when you keep bringing that cheddar around, it's hard to say no to the cheddar!

02:58:38.000 That cheese!

02:58:39.000 I'm an old man and I'm talking about getting back in there one more time.

02:58:43.000 But you seem to want it for...

02:58:45.000 It seems to be more than just for money for you.

02:58:48.000 It seems to be something you want to challenge yourself one more time.

02:58:50.000 And for people who don't know, you're...

02:58:53.000 Career was taken from you in a way that you feel like didn't medically make sense.

02:58:59.000 They told you to stop fighting because...

02:59:01.000 Explain the whole heart condition thing.

02:59:04.000 Well, it was in the build of the Mike Brown fight.

02:59:06.000 You're a part wolf?

02:59:06.000 I am part wolf, yes.

02:59:07.000 I won't tell you which part.

02:59:11.000 Yeah, it was in the building of the Matt Brown fight.

02:59:14.000 And because it's California, they required a bunch of different tests.

02:59:17.000 And it showed up as an irregular heartbeat.

02:59:20.000 It's like I have a second heartbeat.

02:59:22.000 So it's another bunch of cells in the heart that produce an electrical current.

02:59:25.000 And it can confuse the heart, cause cardiac arrest.

02:59:29.000 It can cause electrical issues with the heart.

02:59:33.000 I'd never had any problems, never had any symptoms and side effects or anything like that.

02:59:36.000 So basically what they told me is that if I wanted to continue fighting, I had to have an ablation.

02:59:41.000 So they had to go into my heart and they had to burn the cells that were producing the second electrical current. 1.00

02:59:47.000 Fuck that! 0.99

02:59:48.000 I've never had anything wrong with me at all. 1.00

02:59:50.000 Healthy, I've pushed myself to whatever limits I think I've got and I'm hoping to find some more, but I push myself.

02:59:57.000 I know what my heart's capable of.

02:59:59.000 And I've never doubted it.

03:00:01.000 And you were known for having good cardio.

03:00:03.000 Yeah, I always push the pace.

03:00:05.000 So I just didn't want to have anything done.

03:00:08.000 They literally said to me, you can have it done and still fight on the same day.

03:00:12.000 This was five weeks before the fight.

03:00:13.000 Oh my god.

03:00:14.000 So how much recovery time?

03:00:19.000 Oh, practically none.

03:00:20.000 So they go into the carotid artery and the femoral artery and they go into the heart.

03:00:25.000 But Lorenzo sent me out to California.

03:00:27.000 What's what?

03:00:27.000 What are they going in there with?

03:00:28.000 I don't know.

03:00:29.000 Some cables and wires.

03:00:30.000 These are beam, bro.

03:00:31.000 This sounds like a superhero movie.

03:00:33.000 Goes wrong.

03:00:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

03:00:35.000 And then I end up being Iron Man.

03:00:36.000 Yeah.

03:00:37.000 You come out with powers.

03:00:38.000 But Lorenzo sent me out to Beverly Hills to a specialist out there to have more checks done.

03:00:43.000 And they couldn't find any anomalies within my heart.

03:00:47.000 No additional growth or anything like that.

03:00:50.000 So I just said I'm not having anything done.

03:00:52.000 I went back to the UK and then I was busy for a few years doing the commentary.

03:00:55.000 But I did go and see a specialist.

03:00:57.000 A cardiac specialist for athletes and he put me through all the same tests and he pointed out what they'd seen and he said that it could have been accentuated because I was weight cutting, I was in training camp, I was tired.

03:01:08.000 He said, but ultimately there's nothing in these records that show that you can't fight and you're not safe to fight.

03:01:13.000 So I have the paperwork now.

03:01:14.000 So four months in, you saw the testing pool and I've just got the option to step back in there.

03:01:19.000 I would like one more because I never felt like I showed what I'm fully capable of.

03:01:24.000 When was the last time you sparred?

03:01:25.000 Oh, I spar regularly.

03:01:27.000 I drop in the gym because I've got guys that are training for fights.

03:01:29.000 So we've had Terry Brazier fighting recently, Adam Amasinga.

03:01:32.000 Dean Truman fought recently.

03:01:34.000 So I've been in there moving around with those guys.

03:01:36.000 And you've never really gotten out of training training.

03:01:39.000 You've always trained martial arts this whole time, right?

03:01:41.000 Yeah.

03:01:41.000 And I've always stayed healthy.

03:01:43.000 I never gained any...

03:01:43.000 I actually lost weight after I stopped fighting because, you know, my...

03:01:47.000 My diet changed.

03:01:48.000 I didn't feel the need to be constantly eating all the time.

03:01:51.000 So I just, I allowed my body just to kind of figure out where it wants to be naturally.

03:01:55.000 182, 184 is perfect for me.

03:01:57.000 So my plan is just to kind of get to about 85% condition and just sit there.

03:02:01.000 And then, like, I mean, this weekend is a great example if, like, you know, Petit or Diaz fell out and there's no one else around.

03:02:08.000 That's the kind of place I'll just throw my name in the hat just to be available.

03:02:11.000 And one of those fights will be perfect for me.

03:02:14.000 One of the veterans of the game, someone that's not too concerned with the rankings or anything like that, drop in there, have a great fight, and then step back out again.

03:02:23.000 So is that how you'd like to approach it?

03:02:25.000 You want to immediately jump back in and fight someone with a big name?

03:02:28.000 Oh, for sure.

03:02:30.000 Because I'm having one more fight.

03:02:31.000 Just one more.

03:02:32.000 That's it.

03:02:33.000 I want someone that everyone knows.

03:02:34.000 But if you love it, though.

03:02:35.000 Well, I know I will love it, but I feel very selfish thinking about fighting again anyway because what I've realized since I've been fighting is it's not just me coming out of retirement.

03:02:45.000 It's my whole family.

03:02:46.000 I was there when Till got knocked out in London.

03:02:50.000 I was there when Gunnar Nelson got knocked out in Glasgow.

03:02:53.000 I see the reactions of their family.

03:02:55.000 I know what I put my family through and because I've had time to kind of step back and allow them some time to Their souls aren't as calcified to the idea of me fighting anymore.

03:03:06.000 So it's a serious conversation to have.

03:03:09.000 The reality is the sport's very different now.

03:03:15.000 Everything's changed.

03:03:16.000 When I was fighting GSP, the conversations I was having with the media was what we are and aren't allowed to do.

03:03:21.000 What's legal, what's illegal.

03:03:23.000 So it wasn't really about what I was doing.

03:03:26.000 I was basically being an ambassador for the sport while I was in training camp.

03:03:30.000 So now it would be far more of an internal journey.

03:03:34.000 I'd be able to really embrace it a lot more and focus on myself.

03:03:38.000 And now I've got my camera guys.

03:03:41.000 I'd like to document the process.

03:03:42.000 I'd like to be able to speak quite candidly to the camera and just bank a load of stuff.

03:03:46.000 So after the fight, I've got all this footage that I can put into something to kind of...

03:03:53.000 Give some insight into the mentality of the fighter and the ups and downs of training camp.

03:03:57.000 Because the days you show up to media day, to the press conference, and you're confident on the stage, and you're shit-talking your opponent, and you're smiling and stuff, you might get back to your dressing room and you might be exhausted. 0.99

03:04:09.000 You might feel like shit. 0.99

03:04:10.000 You might have been playing a game for a particular reason, and there's a good reason you're playing that game. 0.99

03:04:16.000 And I think that a lot of those narratives go untold because the sport moves so quickly.

03:04:20.000 And I think I might be able to give a nice little insight into that.

03:04:23.000 So, if we are going to expect this, how much time do you think you need to fully prepare?

03:04:29.000 Where are you at right now?

03:04:32.000 I always work on percentages.

03:04:34.000 I would say physically, I would say I'm about...

03:04:39.000 About 58% condition.

03:04:40.000 58?

03:04:41.000 That's an interesting number.

03:04:42.000 How'd you choose that?

03:04:43.000 Well, because I'm working through a couple of injuries, so I've not been doing a lot of hands-on stuff.

03:04:47.000 I've been doing a lot of training on my own.

03:04:48.000 I'm starting to build up my aerobic base again.

03:04:51.000 But the one thing I've noticed is, and I smoke most days, my conditioning always is good.

03:04:59.000 I can just get out and run 10 miles and feel comfortable with it.

03:05:04.000 That's never changed.

03:05:05.000 So all I need to do is just kind of test the toughness in that condition now and push it to the points where I feel uncomfortable.

03:05:13.000 How old are you now?

03:05:14.000 37. But I'm healthy.

03:05:19.000 I've not drank in 20 years.

03:05:20.000 I've had ibuprofen since 2009. I have nothing.

03:05:25.000 And you've been out of competition for how many years now?

03:05:28.000 It's been seven years now.

03:05:28.000 Seven.

03:05:29.000 Yeah.

03:05:30.000 I told you, I work in cycles.

03:05:31.000 I work in cycles.

03:05:33.000 Yeah, you do.

03:05:33.000 This is my seven-year cycle.

03:05:35.000 Seven-year cycle?

03:05:36.000 Yeah.

03:05:36.000 Listen, man, I hope you do it.

03:05:37.000 I hope you fulfill your vision quest like Matthew Modine in that movie.

03:05:41.000 Thanks, man. 0.99

03:05:41.000 Just fucking do it. 0.99

03:05:43.000 It would be beautiful to see. 1.00

03:05:44.000 And we gotta do this more often, man.

03:05:46.000 It's fun.

03:05:47.000 I really enjoyed this.

03:05:48.000 Thanks, man.

03:05:48.000 It's always good talking to you.

03:05:49.000 It's just, you know, I live so far away now and I'm in the UK. Anytime you're here, anytime we're around, bring a mobile thing.

03:05:55.000 We'll figure it out on the road.

03:05:56.000 Okay, very cool.

03:05:57.000 If you're ever at UFC events.

03:05:58.000 Okay.

03:05:58.000 Thank you, brother.

03:05:59.000 Really appreciate you, man.

03:06:00.000 Always good talking to you.

03:06:01.000 Dan Hardy, ladies and gentlemen.

03:06:02.000 Goodbye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 15, 2019

JRE MMA Show #75 with Dan Hardy

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