Cardinal Müller's Take On Pope Francis' Pick For The Synod: Fr. James Martin
Summary
Cardinal John Burke, a Vatican Cardinal, joins the John Henry Weston Show to explain what s going on in the Catholic Church today, including the recent appointment of Cardinal James Martin as a cardinal, and the rumors that Pope Francis is going to resign.
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Do you ever wish you had a high-ranking church official, maybe even a cardinal, maybe even a
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Vatican cardinal, explain to you exactly what the heck is going on in the church today? Because
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things are nuts. We've got the Pope appointing the best-known heretic in all of the United States,
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among the bishops, that is, to be a cardinal. When in this same area, in fact, this bishop,
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and of course, I'm speaking of Bishop McElroy in San Diego, but this bishop was the suffragan,
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which means a sort of like a lower bishop than the major archbishop in the area, which is of course
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Gomez in Los Angeles, but Gomez is not made a cardinal, but San Diego's McElroy is. Very
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confusing times. Also, Father James Martin promoting homosexuality, transgender, everything, all over
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the place, being given all sorts of accolades by the Pope. The Pope answers his dubia. He won't
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answer the dubia of the cardinals. This is nuts. You know, and then there's rumors about Pope Francis
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going to resign. Is he dying? Why is he holding a consistory in August when it's super hot?
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We've got a Vatican cardinal here to answer all of that. Stay tuned to the John Henry Weston Show.
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Take a look at this. This is Cardinal Burke talking in 2017 about demonic forces entering the church
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at that time in 2017. Hard to believe that so long ago. This was given at Rome Life Forum,
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a conference that LifeCite has been running since 2014, actually. Do you know that we're running
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another one this year, October 31st and November 1st? That is right at the end of this horrific
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for more information. Watch Cardinal Burke give this snippet on demonic forces entering into the
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Vatican from his talk at Rome Life Forum in 2017. It seems clear from the most respected studies of
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the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima that it has to do with the diabolical forces unleashed upon the
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world in our time and entering into the very life of the church. For the recovery of peace will be a
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gift from heaven, but it is not properly speaking the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Her
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victory is of another order, supernatural and then temporal by addition. It will first be the victory
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of the faith, which will put an end to the time of apostasy and the great shortcomings of the church's
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pastors. Thank you, Eminence, for joining us on the John Henry Weston Show. In the name of the Father,
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and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. If I could start, we are right now experiencing a lot
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of consternation. There's a bunch of cardinals in Rome right now. Megyn Kelly was just on television
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saying something's going on. There's a lot of rumour about Pope Francis may retire, Pope Francis may be
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dying. Can you tell us anything about what's going on in Rome right now?
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Yeah, I don't exactly know what is happening, but nobody knows what is happening. All is in God's
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hand. The day will come and everyone has to die. And also the Pope is a human being, a man like us, and is a
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pilgrim on this earth. And we have to pray for him because he is a successor of St. Peter. St. Peter is the first
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pope and shepherd of the universal church, and also be a human being with all his lights and shadows,
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every body of us. And we have to ask the pardon of God and looking for his grace. And I don't hope,
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personally, not that he will retire, because Pope Benedict did retire. And this was a great shockwave
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for the church, because the pope is a bishop, the bishop of Rome. But at the same time, he has a principle
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and the fundamental, the permanent fundament of the unity of the whole church in the revealed faith.
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And in the communio of all the bishops of all the local churches. And therefore, the other thing,
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as a retirement of the bishop, because this has some repercussions for all the church. And the Pope
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Benedict is still alive. And it will be a big problem to have two popes,
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and it is not good for the church. But everybody has its own meaning. But me, as a theologian,
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I am fundamentally against the resignation of the popes. Only in extreme cases, we can understand it.
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But in normal situations, we must always accept that the pope is a human and become older. Everybody
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of us become older. But God loves everybody. If he's a baby or if you are 95 or 100 years old, with all the
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problems of becoming older. But we have to give witness also in our sufferings, in our becoming
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old and our old aged. If we are in every case, God is with us. And the government of the universal church
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is another understanding of a political big state, like the United States or the world power here is more
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important. The testimony you are giving for Jesus Christ, the crucified and the risen Lord and the hope we have
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One of the things that is fueling this speculation is that the consistory is being held in August,
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when normally it's not extremely hot in Rome. Normally, the pope would go off to Castel Gandolfo.
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It's not happening. There's a consistory now happening in Rome.
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Do you know, in August, which is the worst time, have you ever seen that before? What's your thoughts
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on why that's happening now? I think it's very strange, because it's the hottest time in Rome. It
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could become 40 degrees or more. And if you are all together in this relatively small roof, 200 persons,
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it will be not the hell, but the purgatory for all. It could be that the Holy Father wants to prepare
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for us for purgatory because we are all sinners. What's shown to our time in the purgatory. That could be.
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And it could be that he is looking, if we are well prepared, not only to be close to him in good times,
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but also when it becomes hot in the metaphorical sense and I, and we will do the best I will do,
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give my best to help him and to the Holy, our Holy Mother, the Catholic Church.
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That is exactly the August, not why yet, now, in this moment, this moment, and why to wait,
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first with the announcement of the consistory, and now to wait with the realization, three months,
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One of the bishops being elevated to Cardinal is, in the United States, extremely controversial
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because he has taken stances on life, on family, particularly, particularly on homosexuality,
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that are at odds with the Church's teaching on homosexuality. The most famous of those, Bishop McElroy,
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he's argued for all sorts of things, very particularly on the life issue. He was adamantly
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against denying Holy Communion to pro-abortion politicians. In fact, he argued at the Bishop's
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Conference against any kind of superiority of abortion as a matter for choice in elections. He was talking
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about how poverty should be at the same level. And so he's been a very controversial figure in the
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Church in the United States. And yet he was elevated to the College of Cardinals, despite the fact also
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that he is a Suffrican Bishop, and that the current Bishop of Los Angeles, who's the Metropolitan there,
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is himself still an Archbishop, but not elevated to the College of Cardinals. Archbishop Gomez
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remains Archbishop Gomez, and not Cardinal Gomez. Do you have any comment on that?
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Not only in the United States, but everywhere in the world, nobody can understand
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this appointment because it's not only an election of some bishops on the periphery outside,
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but can justify it with the internationalization of the College of Cardinals, but in the United States,
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biggest diocese of the world, of the United States, is Los Angeles,
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and they have a very, very good bishop. And this is a fingertip, I think, for a certain understanding,
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I think a wrong understanding of the Catholic Church in America. The categories in which the Church in some
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countries is interpreted is, according to my opinion, absolutely wrong. The Church is not divided in
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fractions, in a liberal wing and conservative wing. The difference is for all Catholics, and especially for
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the bishops to be faithful to the Word of God and the doctrine of the Holy Church. We are not bishops in
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our own name, with our political understanding and preferences. I cannot say I am on the side of Biden,
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nor of Trump, nor of Trump, nor of Trump, and therefore I will change the Catholic faith according to my
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political options. But the opposite is true. We have, as Christians, we have to
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give some orientation for the politicians, especially if they are naming themselves Catholics. They must
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act in the Catholic name, not as a pressure group for the Catholicism. We don't need pressure groups or
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help of politicians or help of politicians for the Church, but for the natural right and the natural
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basis moral. And the first right of everybody is the right to life, for life, to live there. This is the
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first gift God gave us. And if a bishop is saying the same level is our struggle against poverty,
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like not so much against abortion. That is the wrong, absolute wrong approach to the question. It's a
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political approach, but not a theological and moral approach to the questions. We say the Church is the
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advocate of the Church of God. We advocate for everybody, also for the non-Christians, because we believe that
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everybody is a creature of God. And therefore, the right to life is an absolute basic fundamental right. And we see
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there is a war going on. The war against the life which is coming from God. The beginning
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of the life, we are now killing the coming generation, the children in the modern womb,
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and also our grandparents with euthanasia, and destroying the basis of all the consequences
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of the generations, which is the matrimony of man and woman of one-one, and his own woman, and not
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the several so-called diverse forms of sexuality. The sexuality is only for man and woman in the
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matrimony who has read the first page of the Bible, and then the authentic
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interpretation of the work of God by the Son, Jesus Christ. He gave in Matthew 39 about what is matrimony.
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He gives the definition of matrimony. The man will let behind father and mother and will be linked and
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together with his wife, and they will become one flesh, one unity of thinking, of body, of sexuality.
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And this is the source of the family, the children. And father and father coming from there,
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and the great line of the generations, of the beginning of the creation until to the end of the
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world. And God has gave to us human beings this great responsibility to become in the matrimony as
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father and mother the mediators of the natural life. And in our Christian thinking,
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Catholic father and mother, Christian father and mother and father are the first representatives of
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Jesus Christ. According to our common priesthood, father and mother has a priestly role towards their own
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children. And that is absolutely clear that every priest, cardinal, the pope, every bishop must be
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absolutely faithful to the revealed faith and to the natural law which is given to us without making his
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personal politics. And a good bishop is a shepherd and not a politician of the second class.
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One of the, that actually brings us to my last question. I thank you so much for your time.
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We have probably been beset by something going on in the church almost more than anything else.
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In Father James Martin, a Jesuit, we have a priest who is world famous for the promotion of homosexuality,
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for a change in the church to accept homosexuality. He was looked down upon by certain faithful bishops in
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the United States who looked at him and were saying, you can't do this, you can't try to change the
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teaching of the church. Nevertheless, Pope Francis first invited him to speak at the World Meeting of
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Families, then invited him to become a member of the Pontifical Council for Social Communications,
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then met with him personally in an audience which Father Fritz, excuse me, Father Martin used to promote
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his homosexual pushing, if you will. He then also, this is Pope Francis also, answered various dubia or
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questions that Father Martin posed on behalf of an LGBT group that he himself founded. And the Pope answered
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those questions. At the same time, Pope Francis has not met with Cardinal Zen when he came to visit on
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behalf of Chinese Catholics suffering under the heel of communism, and also would not answer
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Cardinal Burke and the other dubia cardinals their questions. Catholics around the world are very confused,
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confused, and we're wondering what we should do. Could you help us to understand and give us a way forward?
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I am a Catholic theologian, Bishop and Cardinal, Roman Cardinal, absolutely on the side of the Pope,
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but in the institution of papacy. But that doesn't mean that I have to justify all what is happening,
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because also in the past, some great theologians, Saint Augustine, criticized some actions of words of
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the popes of their time, and other some cases. Now, my great predecessor as prefect of the congregation of
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the faith without their name. Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, he criticized also some ideas of the Pope.
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And Melchior Cano was an absolute great Catholic theologian. He said, it's not the adulation of the Pope
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which makes the papacy great in the church, but it is absolutely clear and nobody can change the doctrine
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of our Catholic faith that homosexual behavior is a grave sin, but all forms of sexuality outside of the legitimate
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matrimony is a great sin, a mortal sin. And Father Martin cannot change it with all his political actions
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and his networking and all his propaganda he is making. What he is doing is a heresy,
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absolutely a heresy. Nobody can justify it and he cannot excuse himself only with the doing of a pastoral work for
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these persons with a sexual self-attraction. Nobody is more close to these people as Jesus Christ who gave his life
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for every body. But this was not a justification of the sin, but a justification of the sinners.
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And they gave us a grace to convert us and nobody can say I have a tendency to the
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poly-marriage or to do I love not only one woman, but I love five. That is not a justification
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for this. This is the abbreviation of the true sense of the matrimony, which is the love between
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men and women. And therefore, there is no chance and they can do what they want, but what is wrong is wrong,
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and what is right is right. And they cannot make us quiet. And with all the propaganda machine, with their
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deformations, they are making against us. I heard this is Father Martin, who also that, of the Cardinal Müller,
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because I am not under this line about what he is doing, is absolutely wrong and is misleading the people.
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And he is bringing in danger the salvation of the people with his wrong ideas and his wrong actions.
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And they cannot introduce wrong ideas and misleading of the people only according to this ideology of LGBT
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propaganda. And the other thing, we are the Catholic Church and Jesus Christ, the head of the church,
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is a good shepherd of everybody. And I think this ideology is only abusing these people with their
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personal stories they have. And it's better to show the good way of conversion. Not only ecological
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conversion is not needed, but a moral conversion is needed of every body. And also, I cannot understand
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why Cardinal Tsen was not worthy to receive an audience, because he is a great testimony
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of the Catholic faith. And especially in Hong Kong, where he is fighting for the basic human rights. And we cannot
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sacrifice him only for some agreements with this dictatorial regime in China. And we cannot say China,
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China. China is a country of the Chinese people. Everybody of them is created according to the image of God. And we will never accept
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this interpretation, or they have another tradition, and they don't understand our
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our occidental understanding of human rights. All the human rights are universal, and everybody is a person
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before God. And we are accepting all these Chinese people as our brothers and sisters
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of the same God of the same God and creator. And we hope that they will become our brothers and sisters in the supernatural
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sense in Jesus Christ. There we are preaching to everybody the gospel. And that is my absolute
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meaning and understanding. And I will say it openly, without a diplomatic to and fro. What is wrong is wrong,
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and what is right is right. And I am not a Jesuit. I have not to say, if the Magistery is saying
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the black page is white, that is white. No, no, white is white. And I am faithful to my eyes,
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and especially I am faithful to my ears, when we are hearing the word of God. And the word of God
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is a sword. It's going to both sides and separating the good and the bad.
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And good is to go the way of Jesus Christ. And nobody has authority to change or to falsify
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the revealed Catholic faith according to the word of God and the doctrine of the church. And
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and all these people are always speaking about the Second Vatican Council. So you have to look what
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Gaudium et Spes is saying to the matrimony in the chapter and the articles 2050 and following. And they can
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read what is the true doctrine of the Catholic Church about the matrimony.
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Beautiful. Eminence, I want to thank you for your time. I am sure many, many Catholics will be
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very grateful to hear your clarity and I'm sure they'll be praying for you. I would ask you now to
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impart your blessing on all the viewers of the John Hinner Weston Show.
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We have received the love of God and we all are sons and daughters of God in Jesus Christ,
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his eternal Son in the Holy Spirit. And therefore we are asking for his blessing. May almighty God bless
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you, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Amen. Thank you so very much, Eminence.
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God bless you. And God bless all of you. We'll see you next time.
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