The John-Henry Westen Show - May 21, 2024


Dr. Abby Johnson On The Crisis in the Catholic Church and Her New Film


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Abby Johnson joins us on The John Hunter Weston Show from the National March for Life in Ottawa, Canada where she calls out Prime Minister Justin Trudeau for his anti-choice stance on abortion. Abby also calls out the Trudeau family for their opposition to abortion.

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00:00:00.960 There's so many times that people say, well, Abby, that was just your experience at your
00:00:06.020 one clinic.
00:00:07.200 And I thought, well, OK, maybe, but why don't we get a whole bunch of us together and see
00:00:14.760 if that's really true?
00:00:22.820 Hello, my friends, we are coming to you today from March for Life 2024 here in Ottawa, Canada.
00:00:28.660 The National March for Life was really graced this year, by the way, the 27th year of the
00:00:33.400 March for Life, to have none other than Abby Johnson, who is with us on the Hill.
00:00:38.200 And Abby is with us here on this episode of the John Hunter Weston Show.
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00:03:26.740 Ivy Johnson, welcome to the program.
00:03:28.220 Ivy Johnson, thank you.
00:03:30.180 Always good to be with you.
00:03:31.260 Let's pray.
00:03:31.900 Let's start with the sign of the cross.
00:03:33.620 In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
00:03:36.660 Amen.
00:03:37.320 So Abby, here you are in Ottawa, Canada, our National March for Life.
00:03:41.480 You gave a very vigorous call out about Trudeau.
00:03:47.100 Let's take a look at that for a second.
00:03:48.540 I mean, the Trudeau family, can you just please go away?
00:03:52.240 Like, you have wreaked enough havoc in this beautiful country.
00:04:00.620 Get out! 0.98
00:04:01.840 Like, go away! 0.98
00:04:06.640 Anyway, he's more than a wacko. 0.99
00:04:10.020 Guys, he's worse. 0.98
00:04:11.260 Don't tell me. 1.00
00:04:12.460 He's worse than a wacko. 1.00
00:04:16.440 But, anyway, my passport's going to be revoked. 0.88
00:04:20.460 I'm not ever going to be allowed to come back to Canada.
00:04:22.880 You called out Justin Trudeau for what he is. 0.94
00:04:25.720 More than a wacko. 0.99
00:04:27.080 Worse than a wacko. 1.00
00:04:27.920 But you think you might have your opportunity to come to Canada revoked. 1.00
00:04:31.080 I think it's more than just him being crazy or wacko or making idiotic decisions. 1.00
00:04:38.440 I think that his agenda is demonic. 1.00
00:04:42.340 And I think anyone who supports abortion, I've read that he's now pushing for contraception to be available throughout Canada at no cost to women,
00:04:54.860 just available anywhere, everywhere to all women.
00:04:57.820 And, again, evil.
00:05:00.400 That's part of an evil agenda to reduce the population. 0.99
00:05:03.440 And we know that it increases abortion.
00:05:05.460 And I think that's all part of the plan.
00:05:07.380 And I think it's all part of the Trudeau legacy here in Canada.
00:05:11.640 And they have just, they've reaped a terrible legacy here in this country.
00:05:20.900 And it needs to be stopped.
00:05:22.480 And, you know, you don't have free speech here.
00:05:24.780 And that is incredibly dangerous.
00:05:28.980 And I think that because of it, gatherings like the March for Life, I think they're in danger of being polled.
00:05:39.200 You know, I think in the very near future, people like Trudeau could say,
00:05:45.160 you're not allowed to assemble here anymore, you know, in Parliament.
00:05:49.320 You're not allowed to have pro-life rallies.
00:05:51.540 You're not allowed.
00:05:52.520 I mean, look what they've already done in Canada.
00:05:55.020 You know, you can't go and have a peaceful presence in front of an abortion facility without getting arrested.
00:05:59.780 So there's absolutely no reason why he wouldn't go ahead and continue to extend that sort of dictatorship that he's put his hand on in the country and say, you know, okay, we don't want you to have any sort of pro-life, you know, protest or gathering or rally or anything.
00:06:18.000 And what are Canadians going to do?
00:06:20.980 Are they just going to abide and say, well, okay, you know, we don't want to, we don't want to offend or we don't want to get arrested or we don't want to this or that.
00:06:29.380 We don't want to offend people.
00:06:30.800 We don't.
00:06:31.500 I mean, at some point in time, there's going to have to be some civil disobedience taking place where Canadians say, we're not doing this anymore.
00:06:41.960 We are going to rise up.
00:06:43.440 We want to be able to say what we want to say when we need to say it.
00:06:48.720 And when is that going to happen?
00:06:51.780 You know?
00:06:52.260 One of the things we've just seen in the United States is the FACE Act trials against the eight pro-lifers who are in prison.
00:06:59.900 Joan Andrews Bell, of course, but also Heather Idoni and others who are really suffering right now.
00:07:05.980 So they, too, are in this kind of strange situation where America is sort of watching this situation unfold as they are treated and deplorably treated in prison.
00:07:16.220 Did you see, though, what happened today with the pro-abortion protester?
00:07:20.760 This just came out.
00:07:21.980 No.
00:07:22.160 Pro-abortion protester in Kentucky that spray-painted Abort God all over a pregnancy center, spray-painted all kinds of destruction, vandalism on a pro-life pregnancy center also violated the FACE Act, right?
00:07:37.240 Because the FACE Act does not just protect abortion facilities, but it also protects centers like pregnancy resource centers, right?
00:07:45.020 She pled guilty, said, yes, I did it.
00:07:47.160 I'm the one that did it.
00:07:48.080 I destroyed this pregnancy center. 1.00
00:07:50.940 She did not get jail time. 0.99
00:07:53.200 By the way, this is a transgender person, so a very mentally ill person, okay? 1.00
00:07:58.420 A woman who now, biological woman who now says she's a man. 0.87
00:08:01.720 But this woman did not get jail time, got two years probation and a $2,000 fine. 0.99
00:08:08.520 Meanwhile, pro-lifers who violated the FACE Act, which they did, they violated the FACE Act, are sitting in jail, not jail,
00:08:17.280 have been sitting in federal prison now for all of this time and are facing hundreds of thousands of dollars of fines.
00:08:25.300 And 11 years in jail.
00:08:26.440 And 11 years in prison.
00:08:27.680 I mean, if this goes through, if this happens, some of these people, and let's just be completely honest, some of these people are probably going to die in prison.
00:08:39.500 They'll die away from their families, away from their children. 0.92
00:08:43.080 I mean, Joan Bell is one of them.
00:08:45.700 She might die away from her children, her grandchildren, her adopted children.
00:08:50.480 I mean, this is the sort of circus, this is sort of the clown world that we're living in here in the United States.
00:08:57.080 And people have got to start rising up and pushing back against it.
00:09:02.560 Here's something similar about Canada and the United States, both persecuting pro-lifers.
00:09:07.040 But there was something else similar that comes in with Biden, which you guys really didn't have before.
00:09:13.760 And that's a Catholic at the helm of a pro-abortion regime that persecutes life. 0.99
00:09:19.420 And like with Trudeau, also nominally a Catholic, they both get Holy Communion.
00:09:27.160 You know, this is all given.
00:09:29.380 But just recently, Biden, when trying to express himself at the displeasure of having any curb on abortion, made the sign of the cross.
00:09:39.360 The same kind of sign of the cross you do when you hear something horrible.
00:09:42.280 And it was when he's hearing about the saving of some of the children.
00:09:46.780 They're not going to kill children who are old enough to survive on their own outside the womb.
00:09:52.580 And he makes a sign of the cross to say how horrible that is.
00:09:55.220 I just want to hear your reaction.
00:09:57.820 Yeah, I think there's a lot of confusion, John Henry.
00:09:59.920 I think that, you know, I was just on a show not that long ago and it was with two Protestants.
00:10:05.500 And they were talking about, you know, Biden and how he, you know, claims to be Catholic and all this kind of stuff.
00:10:11.520 And they were saying, you know, why is this still allowed in the Catholic Church?
00:10:17.240 Why, you know, the Catholics have always been pro-life, right?
00:10:20.960 And that's something I don't think any, most Protestants will not disagree with you on.
00:10:25.420 Most Protestants, even my parents who are, you know, diehard Southern Baptists, they will give credit where credit's due, right?
00:10:31.340 They will say the pro-life movement has been, from the beginning, led by Catholics.
00:10:37.220 The Catholics have always stood firm, stood fast. 0.82
00:10:41.900 I think everyone would agree that Catholics have always been leading the charge, you know, in the pro-life movement.
00:10:48.340 Because our position has never changed as Catholics, that, you know, we believe in the sanctity of human life from conception until natural death.
00:10:56.420 But I think it is very confusing for a lot of Catholics and particularly actual devout Catholics, right?
00:11:04.160 Because you've got people like Biden, like Nancy Pelosi, these pro-abortion Catholics who have themselves excommunicated themselves from the church because of their beliefs, being invited to the Vatican, right?
00:11:20.340 To have an audience with Pope Francis.
00:11:23.400 I haven't had an audience with Pope Francis.
00:11:25.740 I don't know if you have, but he hasn't asked me to come over and hang out, right?
00:11:29.620 But, and I feel like I'm a pretty faithful Catholic, right?
00:11:34.520 But yet he's having Joe Biden come over and have an audience with him and Nancy Pelosi and Chelsea Clinton is speaking at the Vatican.
00:11:42.920 And so I think that is very confusing.
00:11:46.600 It's confusing for people who are Protestants.
00:11:49.620 It is confusing for people who are Protestants that have always looked to the Catholic Church for their firm, steadfast devotion to pro-life principles.
00:11:57.600 It's also very confusing for faithful Catholics who are going, what, what is happening here, right?
00:12:04.280 Why is Biden essentially mocking our faith by making the sign of the cross when we're talking about saving lives?
00:12:11.660 And that just goes unnoticed.
00:12:14.600 Nobody says anything from the Vatican.
00:12:16.320 Nobody, no, his bishop says.
00:12:19.000 Other than Bishop Strickland, of course.
00:12:21.960 But you had the first American bishop say something about it.
00:12:25.000 Bishop Paprocki came out yesterday, or perhaps even this morning, to say something about it.
00:12:30.780 And that's, that's really good.
00:12:33.480 Thanks be to God.
00:12:34.600 But we had foreign bishops saying some things.
00:12:36.880 It was sad because it was for so long when unnoticed or by any American bishop was stunning.
00:12:43.460 But his bishop isn't saying anything.
00:12:46.540 And nobody is denying him communion.
00:12:49.340 He's still going to mass, receiving communion.
00:12:51.600 I mean, this, this should be a united effort from the USCCB, right?
00:12:58.360 This should be a united effort from all of them.
00:13:01.340 And I'm not, and this is not me dragging the USCCB.
00:13:04.140 I'm just saying this should be a no brainer from the USCCB to say we're, we are coming together on this.
00:13:13.300 And we are saying that no pro-abortion politician, including the president of the United States, is going to receive communion, period.
00:13:24.220 You come out and you make a statement that is against the teachings of the Catholic Church.
00:13:31.100 You come out publicly and you do that.
00:13:32.960 As a politician, you are not receiving the body, blood, soul, and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
00:13:40.140 That's it, period, nothing.
00:13:41.720 That should not be even an argument in our faith because that is, that is pure canon law, right?
00:13:50.160 So we're not even following canon law anymore.
00:13:53.220 We're not even following the church by allowing these people to receive communion.
00:13:58.580 And in fact, we are playing with their souls by doing this, by allowing them to participate in this.
00:14:07.700 We're not even protecting their souls anymore.
00:14:10.720 The priests and the bishops, the priests that are giving them this communion knowingly that they are in a state of mortal sin,
00:14:18.800 they're going to be held responsible for that themselves.
00:14:21.980 So we're really, we're playing a game of Russian roulette by allowing this to happen.
00:14:26.800 And it should be the simplest, that should be the simplest decision that is made.
00:14:33.120 One of the most beautiful things about the pro-life movement, in a way, it's the best of Catholicism.
00:14:39.140 It makes it all make sense.
00:14:41.200 It is the understanding of the hatred for the sin, but the absolute love for the sinner.
00:14:48.100 And your movement and your work has been that.
00:14:52.440 You were called out of the pro-abortion movement.
00:14:55.920 I'm sure everybody knows.
00:14:57.980 Abby was herself running an abortion clinic. 1.00
00:15:02.280 And not just any abortion clinic, a major abortion clinic.
00:15:05.920 And involved with the very, the other side in the biggest of ways.
00:15:09.480 You were called out of it and called back to Christ in the most loving, amazing way.
00:15:14.520 And now you've spent so much of your life bringing others out and not hating them, but loving them.
00:15:22.180 Tell us about your new film, which is all about doing just that.
00:15:24.880 So the new film is called Unthinkable.
00:15:26.400 My whole goal since leaving Planned Parenthood has really been trying to do everything I can to pull back the curtain of the abortion industry.
00:15:35.980 I mean, that's, you know, that was why I wrote Unplanned.
00:15:39.120 That was why we did the film Unplanned.
00:15:41.120 It was just really trying to pull back the curtain and to show people the ugliest parts of the abortion clinic, the abortion industry.
00:15:52.740 Because even today, I mean, at the march, you know, you see these people, you know, the tens of people that were there to protest against us.
00:16:00.220 And what are they always talking about?
00:16:02.080 They're always talking about women and protecting women, protecting women.
00:16:06.100 But if they really saw what happened inside of these clinics, they would understand that protecting women is the furthest thing from the minds of big abortion. 0.99
00:16:15.080 If they could hear the stories from these women, and they will, if they see Unthinkable, they will hear.
00:16:20.540 Just the degradation of these women while they're laying on the tables for their abortion, the way that they are talked about by the staff, the doctors in particular, the way their bodies are made fun of and talked about, just how devalued they are. 1.00
00:16:38.920 You know, they're wanted for their promiscuity. 0.61
00:16:43.600 These women, they're recruited because of their promiscuity. 1.00
00:16:48.760 They're recruited because they're poor. 0.99
00:16:51.200 They're recruited because they're black, because they're immigrants. 1.00
00:16:55.640 It's sick. 1.00
00:16:57.240 I mean, it's so depraved.
00:16:59.680 And then just to hear about the way that the negligence, you know, we have a, you know, we have a woman who, a woman died in their care at the abortion clinic.
00:17:10.320 And she shares that story, just really lays it bare and how that affected her.
00:17:18.360 And we have a woman in the, in the film that worked at Dr. Kermit Gosnell's clinic.
00:17:24.480 And she talks to all the horrors that she saw there.
00:17:28.200 And he was cutting up babies with pairs of household scissors and babies being born alive and drowned in toilets.
00:17:36.600 I think there's people in the pro-life movement who think there's no way it could be that bad.
00:17:41.140 But then you see dozens and dozens of former workers coming together and saying, no, it is that bad.
00:17:47.480 And it's actually worse than you could have even imagined.
00:17:50.600 And they're not blurring their faces.
00:17:54.220 They're not sitting behind some anonymity wall.
00:17:57.640 Right.
00:17:57.880 Their voices aren't distorted.
00:17:59.700 They're not covering up their last names.
00:18:01.860 It's their full names, their face, their voices in front of a camera, telling everyone who they are, what they saw, what clinic they worked at, the doctors they worked for.
00:18:14.020 Like, this is what happened.
00:18:15.940 This is real life.
00:18:17.160 This is what happened to me.
00:18:18.760 Sharing everything so plainly, so courageously, knowing that a few of them could actually be prosecuted for the things that they participated in.
00:18:31.300 And we, you know, vetted that with Thomas More Society.
00:18:35.460 They're our attorneys.
00:18:36.520 They've been amazing.
00:18:37.180 But still willing to come forward with it anyway, knowing that the only way to really bring justice is to be honest.
00:18:47.780 And no matter the consequences, but the only way to really honor the lives of these children that have been lost is to tell their stories.
00:18:56.200 And if that means that there's legal implications or whatever it may be, then so be it.
00:19:04.240 But they're so brave and they're so courageous.
00:19:07.380 And I think the film is going to just continue to expose what's really happening.
00:19:13.020 And if people who are for abortion watch this film and they still walk away saying, well, I still support abortion. 0.67
00:19:22.980 I still think it's best for women. 1.00
00:19:24.520 Then there's just there's just plain ignorance inside of them. 0.91
00:19:29.100 They're just being willfully ignorant because there's no way anybody could watch this film and listen to what these women are saying. 1.00
00:19:35.760 Listen to what is happening to women who are lying on the table, women who are taking these medication, abortion pills and say, yes, that's what I want for women. 0.99
00:19:44.700 There's there's no way.
00:19:45.900 It is one of the stunning things today at the march.
00:19:48.480 I went out and I looked at those and it was mostly young ladies. 0.52
00:19:52.420 There was about 30 of them.
00:19:54.140 But how is it captured?
00:19:56.920 I've got only two daughters.
00:19:58.200 I've got six sons, but two daughters.
00:19:59.860 How does the pro-abortion movement actually capture them?
00:20:03.960 Because you think those who fiercely love little babies are women. 1.00
00:20:09.360 I mean, guys love little babies, but not there's a thing with women and they love little babies like nobody else. 0.99
00:20:16.280 How are so many of them captured?
00:20:19.300 Because they've had abortions. 1.00
00:20:21.000 I mean, if I I wanted to go and talk to some of them, but they left so quickly there.
00:20:26.960 That's one thing about pro-abortion protesters is they're they're not really there for the long haul, are they?
00:20:31.980 They kind of come and go quickly.
00:20:33.340 But I wanted to go talk with some of them just to kind of hear their stories.
00:20:37.080 But what I found is that when I do talk to them, particularly young women like we're there today, they've almost all had abortions.
00:20:47.100 And and that's what we see in the abortion industry as well. 0.97
00:20:50.200 So in Unthinkable, one of the things that that you hear is that a lot of the women that ended up working for the abortion clinic, some of them were recruited during their abortion appointment.
00:21:03.600 And that's common.
00:21:05.340 About 70 percent of women who work in the industry have had abortions themselves and many at that facility where they had the abortion.
00:21:14.140 And they end up going to work there, they'll be recruited during the abortion, they'll be recruited during their follow up appointment.
00:21:21.840 You know, it's like, oh, this is a good client because she can tell people I had a good experience here.
00:21:27.400 You'll have a good experience here.
00:21:29.400 I had an abortion.
00:21:30.440 I'm fine.
00:21:31.280 You're going to have an abortion. 1.00
00:21:32.580 You're going to be fine, too.
00:21:33.820 Right.
00:21:33.940 And it's kind of like, you know, I'm on this sinking boat.
00:21:39.040 Come join me on this sinking boat.
00:21:41.500 And so we hear that a lot.
00:21:45.220 And but it's hurt.
00:21:46.040 You know, we're just we're living in a we're we're we're living among the wounded, just kind of this walking wounded.
00:21:53.920 And all the time when I when I talk to these young women, I always ask them, you know, what what brought you here today?
00:22:00.920 You know, why why are you so passionate about abortion and abortion rights?
00:22:06.740 And I would say eight out of 10 times they say, well, I've had an abortion.
00:22:10.500 And I'm like, me, too.
00:22:12.080 I've had an abortion, too.
00:22:13.400 And they're always shocked because they think that we are a movement of people who have never made mistakes, who don't know anything about the abortion movement, who don't know anything about what it is to, you know, have an unplanned pregnancy or whatever.
00:22:28.760 And and what I'm what I love sharing with them is that this is a movement of converts.
00:22:34.140 This is a movement so, so much so of people who have laid their bodies on those tables, who have had abortions, who have had a conversion on contraception, abortion, men who have taken their girlfriends to have abortions, men who have paid for it, people who once were rabidly pro-abortion and then had a conversion to the pro-life movement.
00:22:59.840 That's that's who we are in the pro-life movement is so many people who at one time believed one thing and then the Holy Spirit got a hold of us and now we're changed.
00:23:11.920 And so being able to talk to people and say, share our stories, but then also say, and it's OK for you to change your mind, too.
00:23:18.680 So maybe not today, but as you continue to grow, as you continue to have life experiences, when you have your own child, when you hold your own baby in your arms or if, you know, God forbid you go through a pregnancy loss and you see that life that was growing within you, it's OK to change your mind.
00:23:40.360 It doesn't make you a hypocrite. It doesn't mean you can't speak out about how you've grown in your life.
00:23:47.040 And it's interesting. They can very easily be disarmed, I think, because they have a very specific stereotype that they believe us to be.
00:23:58.900 And so when they find out that we're not really who they think we are, they're very easily disarmed.
00:24:04.160 Absolutely beautiful.
00:24:05.240 So, Abby Johnson, I so much look forward to seeing Unthinkable.
00:24:10.700 I was unable to make it today because I had to tape Faith and Reason live.
00:24:14.080 So we had to come back.
00:24:15.680 But anyway, thank you.
00:24:17.620 Thank you. God bless you, Abby.
00:24:19.340 Thank you. All the best.
00:24:20.740 Thank you for coming to Canada, encouraging us once again.
00:24:23.600 Of course. Anytime. Maybe.
00:24:26.460 You're allowed indeed.
00:24:28.260 God bless all of you.
00:24:29.600 We'll see you next time.
00:24:35.240 Hi, everyone. This is John Henry Weston.
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