The John-Henry Westen Show - EXCLUSIVE： Chinese Insider 'JP Freedom' Exposes Pope Francis' Communist Pact

00:00:00.000 After the 2018 sacred deal, the Pope Francis sacred deal with Beijing,

00:00:07.960 then everything fundamentally changed.

00:00:16.040 Hey, my friends, I've got a really special guest for you today.

00:00:19.620 And yes, we're going to have to shield his face and things like that

00:00:23.500 because it's very dangerous for him to speak up.

00:00:25.920 He is someone who comes from mainland China, whose family is still there,

00:00:31.700 who is speaking out, and he's doing so at the risk of his own safety and so on.

00:00:38.480 But he needs to make this known.

00:00:40.060 He needs to make known what's actually going on there.

00:00:42.320 We're going to focus in our talk with him on what the Catholics in China are experiencing,

00:00:47.300 the underground Catholics as well.

00:00:49.140 I wanted to give you a glimpse into what's been going on.

00:00:51.560 And the Vatican, as many of you will know, has been having this sort of agreement with China.

00:00:58.840 I guess it was done in the hopes that there would be some lessening of the persecution of Chinese Catholics.

00:01:04.500 So to make an official agreement, it was brokered by former so-called Cardinal McCarrick, 0.93

00:01:12.380 many of whom, many of you know him as the sexual abuser. 0.72

00:01:16.520 But he brokered this deal for Pope Francis with the Vatican in China, and it is a horrendous deal.

00:01:23.300 Let me give you some of the expert testimony on it.

00:01:26.260 First of all, from Stephen Mosher, who most of you know as the great researcher on China

00:01:33.100 who first discovered the horrific one-child policy.

00:01:36.880 He, of course, is a close collaborator with LifeSite News.

00:01:39.600 Here's what he said.

00:01:40.860 And these are quotes from Steve Mosher in an article he did for LifeSite News that you can go check out.

00:01:45.760 But he's speaking of President Xi Jinping.

00:01:50.300 He said, as he made clear in a speech on religion in December 2021,

00:01:54.620 Xi Jinping intends to bring every religion in China, Catholic, Christian, Muslim, Taoist, and Buddhist,

00:02:01.260 under the direct control of the Chinese Communist Party and make them serve its purposes.

00:02:06.520 Any religion that does not teach its members to love the party and socialism is a backward religion engaged in illegal religious activities, Xi said,

00:02:20.280 and will be stomped out.

00:02:23.140 Religions should only conduct their activities in approved places of worship 1.00

00:02:27.500 and must not interfere with social life or the education of the young.

00:02:31.980 So, as Mosher continues,

00:02:34.580 it goes without saying that Xi Jinping intends to crush the underground church

00:02:39.980 and is using the Sino-Vatican Agreement,

00:02:43.400 and that's the name of the agreement, the Sino-Vatican Agreement, for this purpose.

00:02:47.400 But it is also clear that by preventing the faith from being passed on to the next generation,

00:02:52.520 by forbidding young people to go to church,

00:02:54.920 he intends the same fate for Catholicism in general.

00:02:58.080 In the meantime, the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association,

00:03:01.600 which is the Chinese Communist Party-approved church,

00:03:05.080 will be used to promote the Chinese Communist Party's political goals and ideology,

00:03:10.740 as well as core leader Xi himself.

00:03:14.180 The Sino-Vatican Agreement,

00:03:15.920 instead of leading to a new birth of religious freedom for Catholics in China,

00:03:20.140 is instead being used by the CCP for its own purposes.

00:03:24.460 And these are, and this is Steve Mosher,

00:03:28.060 it is now clear to decapitate the church hierarchy by slow-rolling the appointment of bishops,

00:03:33.420 while at the same time slowly strangling Catholicism itself out of existence.

00:03:39.940 Mosher concludes,

00:03:41.360 a member of the United States,

00:03:43.380 and that was Steve Mosher,

00:03:45.120 and this is, his opinion and take on this, of course, is very, very well informed,

00:03:49.180 but it's also corroborated by a member of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom,

00:03:56.300 who has said he is tremendously disappointed

00:03:59.240 by what the renewed Sino-Vatican deal will mean for Chinese Catholics.

00:04:04.200 His name is Stephen Schneck,

00:04:06.100 he's a member of the USCIRF,

00:04:09.100 and he told Crux Media Outlet,

00:04:11.620 and I quote,

00:04:12.080 I think that these agreements have not produced any improvement in religious freedom for Catholics in China,

00:04:18.360 and I think that the Holy See should really rethink its decision to dance with Xi on this whole business.

00:04:27.280 Schneck added,

00:04:27.980 So, taking this issue with the Vatican and allowing the CCP to have a say in the choice of bishops for Chinese Catholics,

00:04:56.580 Schneck asked,

00:04:58.700 Who are the pastors of their faith?

00:05:01.300 Do they come from the Church of the State?

00:05:04.620 So, Schneck himself is a Catholic,

00:05:06.540 and he was appointed to the Commission on International Religious Freedom

00:05:09.720 after more than two decades of experience in the field.

00:05:13.940 Now, this group that he's with,

00:05:15.360 the U.S. group,

00:05:16.240 this U.S. government sanctioned group,

00:05:18.360 this USCIRF,

00:05:20.460 is an independent, bipartisan federal commission,

00:05:23.700 which closely monitors issues of religious freedom throughout the world,

00:05:27.840 and it publishes an annual report on recommendations to the U.S. government and Congress.

00:05:33.860 Now, the Commission's report in April of 2022

00:05:36.360 recommended that the U.S. re-designate China as a country of particular concern

00:05:40.800 for engaging in systematic, ongoing, and egregious violations of religious freedom

00:05:45.400 as defined by the International Religious Freedom Act.

00:05:48.540 Now, the key findings on China were that in 2021,

00:05:54.320 religious freedom continued to deteriorate.

00:05:58.360 The government continued to vigorously implement its cynicization of religion policy

00:06:02.640 and demand that religious groups and their adherents

00:06:06.180 support the Chinese Communist Party's rule and ideology.

00:06:09.840 Now, this is right from the report.

00:06:11.880 Throughout 2021,

00:06:12.700 the State Administration for Religious Affairs,

00:06:15.200 a government agency under direct control of the CCP's United Front Work Department,

00:06:20.440 and other agencies issued new legal measures imposing further restrictions on clergy,

00:06:26.500 religious schools, and religious content on the Internet.

00:06:29.840 Although China recognizes Buddhism, Catholicism, Islam, Protestantism, Taoism,

00:06:34.540 adherents of groups with perceived foreign influence,

00:06:37.660 such as underground Catholics,

00:06:39.280 house church Protestants, Uyghurs, and other Muslims,

00:06:42.320 and Tibetan Buddhists,

00:06:44.340 and those from other religious movements,

00:06:46.600 such as Fulangang and the Church of the Almighty God,

00:06:50.780 are especially vulnerable to persecution,

00:06:54.560 says the report.

00:06:55.660 Despite the Vatican-China agreement on bishops' appointments,

00:06:59.140 authorities continue to harass and detain underground Catholic priests

00:07:03.280 who refuse to join the state-controlled Catholic association,

00:07:06.100 such as Bishop Joseph Zhang Weizhou of Shijang, Hibai Province.

00:07:13.060 And this is again from the report.

00:07:15.180 Moreover, authorities throughout China routinely raided churches,

00:07:19.160 detained Christians,

00:07:20.480 confiscated religious materials.

00:07:22.440 The government also continued to demolish church buildings and crosses,

00:07:26.460 including the Sacred Heart Catholic Church in Xinjiang,

00:07:30.200 under its Sinicization of Religion campaign.

00:07:33.820 The report noted that China is officially an atheist state.

00:07:37.180 The CCP, whose members are banned from believing in or practicing any faith,

00:07:42.880 has long repressed religious freedom,

00:07:45.120 and in recent years,

00:07:46.280 it has become increasingly hostile toward religion,

00:07:49.980 implementing campaigns to Sinicize Islam, Tibetan Buddhism, and Christianity,

00:07:54.180 to rid them of alleged foreign influences.

00:07:57.900 These policies require religious groups to support the CCP,

00:08:01.180 that's the Chinese Communist Party rule,

00:08:03.460 and its political objectives,

00:08:05.380 including by altering their religious teachings

00:08:07.620 to conform to CCP ideology and policy.

00:08:11.060 Both registered and unregistered religious groups and individuals

00:08:14.680 who run afoul of the CCP

00:08:16.500 face harassment, detention, arrest, imprisonment, and other abuses.

00:08:22.040 And then, there is Cardinal Zen,

00:08:25.340 who is arrested by the Chinese Communist Party authorities

00:08:28.380 under the terms of China's draconian 2020 national security law.

00:08:33.240 He was the retired Archbishop of Hong Kong,

00:08:36.720 and the number one person whom the Vatican used to rely on

00:08:40.020 for all things to do with China,

00:08:42.320 led the policy on China's relationship,

00:08:45.880 or Vatican's relationship with China,

00:08:47.740 under Popes John Paul II and Benedict,

00:08:50.000 but was totally sidelined by Pope Francis,

00:08:53.880 not even shown the new Vatican agreement with China.

00:08:59.200 He was found guilty, that is, by the Communist Party,

00:09:05.300 for an offense, and was arrested.

00:09:09.480 He was fined some $4,000.

00:09:13.360 And Zen and his fellow defendants had pled not guilty.

00:09:17.240 However, Reuters reported at the time

00:09:19.320 that he could face yet further prosecution

00:09:21.860 as police investigate, and I quote,

00:09:24.200 an accusation of collusion with foreign forces.

00:09:27.320 So, in light of this,

00:09:28.460 Zen's travel to Rome for Benedict's funeral,

00:09:31.420 he had to actually get permission to do that.

00:09:34.340 When he got back, he was quite ill.

00:09:37.100 So, let's pray for Cardinal Zen,

00:09:39.180 for all the persecuted Catholics in China,

00:09:41.560 all the persecuted Christians and freedom fighters,

00:09:44.220 all those who want to practice their religion and freedom.

00:09:47.880 Let's pray for them.

00:09:49.080 And as we speak with this next guest,

00:09:51.480 who's going to show us more of an inside look,

00:09:53.820 let's pray for him and his family as well.

00:09:56.800 This is the John Henry Weston Show.

00:09:58.540 Stay tuned.

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00:11:27.600 JP, thanks so much for being with us.

00:11:29.800 Thank you, John, Harry,

00:11:31.020 for supporting us in Saudi Arabia.

00:11:33.780 Let's begin as we always do

00:11:34.780 at the sign of the cross.

00:11:36.520 In the name of the Father,

00:11:38.480 and of the Son,

00:11:39.640 and of the Holy Ghost.

00:11:41.460 Amen.

00:11:41.700 So, first of all,

00:11:45.280 JP, if you wouldn't mind,

00:11:46.660 tell us a little bit about yourself,

00:11:48.880 your experiences,

00:11:50.900 and your authority

00:11:51.840 in speaking on the subject.

00:11:53.580 I was born into a family,

00:11:55.700 Catholic family,

00:11:56.500 many generations in China.

00:11:58.960 And it came to,

00:12:00.540 actually, I attended the

00:12:01.760 Patriotic Church 1.00

00:12:03.500 in my huge city,

00:12:04.920 Metropoli.

00:12:06.200 When I say Patriotic Church, 0.52

00:12:08.300 I mean CCP,

00:12:09.560 Communist Party,

00:12:10.700 Communist Party-controlled Church.

00:12:12.660 We can say CCP Church

00:12:13.800 or Patriotic Church.

00:12:15.940 So, because in my city,

00:12:16.960 there was no underground church,

00:12:19.180 right?

00:12:19.540 But, so I came to the United States

00:12:21.320 years ago,

00:12:23.320 and I awakened my mind

00:12:25.180 when I see YouTube,

00:12:26.940 the free flow of information,

00:12:28.700 I expose my regime,

00:12:30.840 how good they are.

00:12:32.280 And then,

00:12:33.180 my conscience awakened again

00:12:35.340 for your country,

00:12:36.380 the radical left,

00:12:38.360 your country,

00:12:39.140 just like,

00:12:39.640 I mean,

00:12:40.500 in North America,

00:12:41.380 just like the Cultural Revolution

00:12:42.600 in my country,

00:12:43.520 decades ago.

00:12:44.600 And I began to fight

00:12:45.500 the radical left

00:12:46.120 in your country,

00:12:46.780 in the West.

00:12:47.780 And then,

00:12:48.180 the church issue,

00:12:49.600 the Francis Vatican

00:12:50.640 deal with Beijing.

00:12:52.600 And that,

00:12:53.080 again,

00:12:54.160 awakened my conscience.

00:12:57.360 So,

00:12:57.620 I'm deep into this matter,

00:12:59.160 and I have,

00:12:59.980 the past 10 years,

00:13:01.180 every single day,

00:13:02.460 I've been a

00:13:03.880 human rights advocacy,

00:13:05.080 so I have

00:13:06.360 extensive

00:13:08.040 and deep

00:13:08.880 connection

00:13:09.600 with people in China.

00:13:12.040 I'm doing my

00:13:13.020 personal ministry,

00:13:14.000 apostolates

00:13:15.240 with the Protestants 0.75

00:13:16.200 and Catholics

00:13:16.780 in China,

00:13:17.960 unite,

00:13:18.500 promoting dialogue

00:13:19.620 and the solidarity

00:13:21.440 among all those

00:13:22.460 faithful

00:13:22.800 and also non-believerous

00:13:24.320 residents

00:13:24.680 to fight

00:13:26.320 the cultural evil 0.97

00:13:27.300 and political evil.

00:13:28.940 Why don't you start

00:13:29.740 with giving us

00:13:30.620 a look

00:13:31.100 at life

00:13:32.220 for underground

00:13:33.780 Catholics

00:13:34.200 and Catholics

00:13:35.000 in China

00:13:35.560 and all believers

00:13:38.740 in China,

00:13:39.420 all Christian believers

00:13:40.120 in China,

00:13:41.060 previous to Pope Francis,

00:13:42.640 so under Popes

00:13:43.620 John Paul II

00:13:44.180 and Benedict.

00:13:45.180 What did life

00:13:45.800 look like at that time?

00:13:47.260 Xi Jinping

00:13:47.980 took office

00:13:49.100 the same year

00:13:49.920 with Pope Francis.

00:13:50.960 Before Xi Jinping,

00:13:52.380 the suppression,

00:13:53.080 the persecution

00:13:53.620 was not

00:13:55.100 to this level

00:13:56.140 the worst.

00:13:57.100 the underground church

00:13:58.840 they still can

00:14:01.300 when they propose

00:14:02.140 their bishops

00:14:03.560 to Rome,

00:14:04.520 Rome sometimes

00:14:05.740 still approve that,

00:14:07.940 approve that

00:14:08.600 without notifying

00:14:10.180 Beijing,

00:14:11.600 right?

00:14:12.320 Actually,

00:14:13.760 JP II

00:14:14.760 and Benedict

00:14:15.700 they permitted

00:14:17.700 sort of a

00:14:18.980 prerogative

00:14:19.700 for the underground

00:14:20.840 community

00:14:21.660 saying that

00:14:22.640 under your special

00:14:24.200 circumstance

00:14:24.880 if you need a bishop

00:14:26.100 urgently

00:14:27.380 approve that

00:14:29.280 yourself

00:14:29.700 and then

00:14:30.740 you can tell us.

00:14:32.320 But Benedict XVI

00:14:33.640 revoked that

00:14:34.980 in the 2007

00:14:36.320 letter to China

00:14:37.280 but Benedict XVI

00:14:39.100 still

00:14:39.600 have the bottom

00:14:41.080 of my saying

00:14:41.580 under very urgent

00:14:42.840 circumstances

00:14:43.640 you can still do that

00:14:45.160 with that

00:14:46.200 prerogative.

00:14:47.020 so when she

00:14:49.940 took over

00:14:50.420 when Francis took

00:14:52.140 over

00:14:52.420 she began

00:14:54.060 to very

00:14:54.740 heavily

00:14:55.380 heavy-handed

00:14:56.080 to persecute

00:14:57.240 everything

00:14:57.580 after the

00:14:59.320 2018

00:15:00.520 secret deal

00:15:01.700 the

00:15:02.040 Pope Francis

00:15:03.520 secret deal

00:15:04.260 with Beijing

00:15:05.820 and everything

00:15:06.960 fundamentally

00:15:08.040 changed.

00:15:09.640 That means

00:15:10.200 every bishop

00:15:11.500 that means

00:15:12.140 the Vatican

00:15:13.800 would not

00:15:14.300 approve

00:15:14.720 any

00:15:15.340 honor

00:15:16.360 brown bishop

00:15:16.840 because

00:15:18.120 under this

00:15:18.980 we have

00:15:19.640 the deal

00:15:20.460 secret deal

00:15:21.380 under this deal

00:15:22.180 every bishop

00:15:23.660 should be

00:15:26.280 proposed

00:15:26.900 theoretically

00:15:27.740 under the secret

00:15:28.800 deal

00:15:29.020 I think this

00:15:29.640 is maybe

00:15:29.900 the only thing

00:15:30.440 we know

00:15:30.720 about a secret

00:15:31.220 deal

00:15:31.480 is

00:15:32.060 Beijing

00:15:33.100 will propose

00:15:33.920 the least

00:15:34.300 or give

00:15:35.060 a least

00:15:35.420 nominee

00:15:36.020 to Rome

00:15:37.400 and Rome

00:15:38.620 only has

00:15:39.480 the right

00:15:39.780 to veto

00:15:40.260 so that

00:15:43.520 means

00:15:43.800 any bishop

00:15:45.540 right now

00:15:46.380 being approved

00:15:47.260 is approved

00:15:49.840 both by

00:15:50.400 Beijing

00:15:50.720 and by

00:15:51.980 Rome

00:15:52.300 and this

00:15:53.460 is the

00:15:53.880 so-called

00:15:55.320 communion

00:15:56.320 unity

00:15:57.920 of the church

00:15:59.220 in China

00:15:59.660 so-called

00:16:00.740 one

00:16:00.980 and also

00:16:02.260 desired

00:16:03.000 by the

00:16:03.520 Vatican

00:16:04.320 right now

00:16:04.780 but we

00:16:05.540 know

00:16:05.800 essentially

00:16:06.600 this is

00:16:10.000 self-contradictor

00:16:10.900 so I can

00:16:12.280 tell you

00:16:12.680 the open

00:16:13.760 church

00:16:14.200 the CCP

00:16:14.800 church

00:16:15.340 maybe

00:16:17.220 half

00:16:18.080 the CCP

00:16:18.820 church

00:16:19.240 half

00:16:19.600 the underground

00:16:20.060 church

00:16:20.540 there are

00:16:21.600 certain

00:16:21.940 freedoms

00:16:23.300 in the

00:16:24.700 CCP

00:16:25.040 church

00:16:25.560 you can

00:16:26.500 preach

00:16:26.900 gospel

00:16:27.620 no problem

00:16:28.220 in the

00:16:28.700 church

00:16:29.040 in this

00:16:29.440 vicinity

00:16:30.400 but you

00:16:31.520 cannot

00:16:31.980 touch

00:16:33.500 any

00:16:33.900 social

00:16:34.380 issues

00:16:34.900 that means

00:16:35.800 social

00:16:36.260 teaching

00:16:36.780 is

00:16:37.580 prohibited

00:16:38.020 it's

00:16:38.580 not

00:16:38.880 promoted

00:16:39.760 in the

00:16:40.880 church

00:16:41.160 it's

00:16:42.900 banned

00:16:43.220 now

00:16:44.960 one of the

00:16:45.760 things

00:16:46.020 you mentioned

00:16:46.800 is that

00:16:47.400 under

00:16:47.980 Xi

00:16:48.500 meaning

00:16:49.280 Xi Jinping

00:16:49.760 things are

00:16:51.060 much worse

00:16:51.900 in what

00:16:53.280 way are they

00:16:53.900 much worse

00:16:54.600 comprehensive

00:16:55.940 daily

00:16:57.060 systematic

00:16:58.180 human rights

00:16:59.780 abuses

00:17:00.600 for religious

00:17:02.420 freedom

00:17:02.840 torn and

00:17:04.960 carried down

00:17:05.540 churches

00:17:06.040 tarring down

00:17:07.460 churches

00:17:07.900 protestants

00:17:09.820 catholics

00:17:10.580 even

00:17:11.420 CCP

00:17:12.140 controlled

00:17:12.620 church

00:17:13.020 and of course

00:17:14.160 for the underground

00:17:14.860 church

00:17:15.280 meaning

00:17:15.680 I knew

00:17:16.780 of

00:17:17.000 being

00:17:18.140 house

00:17:18.440 arrested

00:17:18.780 for almost

00:17:19.540 20 years

00:17:20.300 he's only

00:17:21.080 40 or

00:17:22.080 50 years

00:17:23.060 old

00:17:23.360 and just

00:17:24.440 in this

00:17:24.820 holiday

00:17:27.520 new year

00:17:28.120 he was

00:17:28.780 allowed

00:17:29.100 maybe

00:17:29.620 a week

00:17:30.360 out

00:17:30.940 get out

00:17:32.160 to visit

00:17:32.940 his

00:17:33.200 parents

00:17:34.120 his dying

00:17:35.160 parents

00:17:35.720 90 year

00:17:36.740 old

00:17:36.960 I think

00:17:37.380 and then

00:17:38.320 sent back

00:17:40.520 to the

00:17:40.800 house

00:17:41.020 arrest

00:17:41.280 again

00:17:41.580 almost

00:17:42.380 20 years

00:17:43.160 underground

00:17:44.660 priest

00:17:45.000 so there

00:17:46.080 are many

00:17:46.400 many more

00:17:46.980 so also

00:17:47.640 encroachment

00:17:48.500 of Hong Kong

00:17:49.240 when you talk

00:17:50.100 about

00:17:50.360 Xi's

00:17:50.780 heavy hand

00:17:51.580 Hong Kong

00:17:52.780 died

00:17:53.240 in front

00:17:54.020 of the

00:17:54.240 world

00:17:54.540 Uyghurs 1.00

00:17:55.840 Muslims

00:17:56.380 1 million

00:17:57.660 2 million

00:17:58.160 in the

00:17:59.140 concentration

00:17:59.620 camp

00:17:59.980 genocide

00:18:00.520 Tibetan 0.88

00:18:02.020 monks

00:18:03.040 self

00:18:03.880 emulation

00:18:04.440 burn

00:18:04.900 themselves

00:18:05.460 as extreme

00:18:07.020 form of

00:18:07.500 protest

00:18:07.900 all this

00:18:09.840 on the

00:18:10.720 Xi

00:18:10.860 one of

00:18:11.920 the

00:18:12.180 restrictions

00:18:12.840 as you

00:18:13.400 said

00:18:13.600 is

00:18:13.880 no

00:18:14.660 teaching

00:18:15.280 the

00:18:15.660 social

00:18:16.000 teachings

00:18:16.540 whatsoever

00:18:17.120 so you

00:18:17.920 can't

00:18:18.300 have

00:18:18.780 teaching

00:18:19.400 on

00:18:19.920 the

00:18:20.260 life

00:18:20.500 issues

00:18:20.800 which

00:18:21.080 we

00:18:21.420 hope

00:18:21.820 are

00:18:22.160 taught

00:18:22.500 everywhere

00:18:22.880 on

00:18:23.540 the

00:18:23.700 family

00:18:23.980 issues

00:18:24.360 on

00:18:24.540 anything

00:18:24.820 like

00:18:25.120 that

00:18:25.360 that's

00:18:25.880 all

00:18:26.020 restrictive

00:18:26.540 for

00:18:28.200 for

00:18:28.240 abortion

00:18:28.720 I

00:18:28.920 asked

00:18:29.200 it's

00:18:31.780 better

00:18:32.060 in

00:18:32.900 underground

00:18:33.800 church

00:18:34.340 you

00:18:34.640 hide

00:18:35.380 yourself

00:18:35.820 you

00:18:36.300 talk

00:18:37.160 because

00:18:37.700 you're

00:18:37.900 not

00:18:38.080 registered

00:18:38.500 with the

00:18:39.020 CCP

00:18:39.360 so

00:18:39.780 the

00:18:42.020 abortion

00:18:42.780 issue

00:18:43.240 and

00:18:43.540 the

00:18:44.120 sexual

00:18:44.600 disorder 0.92

00:18:45.600 homosexual 0.99

00:18:46.780 and

00:18:47.220 cohabitation

00:18:48.640 before

00:18:48.920 marriage

00:18:49.420 sex

00:18:49.940 before

00:18:50.360 marriage

00:18:50.740 they're

00:18:51.560 very

00:18:51.780 severe

00:18:52.360 in

00:18:52.920 China

00:18:53.220 and

00:18:54.060 many

00:18:54.700 times

00:18:55.640 they're

00:18:55.920 not

00:18:56.120 exposed

00:18:56.880 to

00:18:57.700 the

00:18:57.820 service

00:18:58.180 so

00:18:59.360 underground

00:19:00.580 church

00:19:00.900 you have to

00:19:01.240 talk about

00:19:01.640 that

00:19:01.960 the

00:19:03.260 open

00:19:04.340 church

00:19:04.760 you need

00:19:05.480 to be

00:19:05.700 very

00:19:05.900 very

00:19:06.140 careful

00:19:06.580 you

00:19:07.060 self

00:19:07.820 censor

00:19:08.180 yourself

00:19:08.720 right

00:19:09.760 so

00:19:10.360 abortion

00:19:10.920 because

00:19:11.720 you know

00:19:12.020 it's

00:19:12.360 ironically

00:19:13.060 before

00:19:13.880 the

00:19:14.180 CCP

00:19:14.600 they have

00:19:16.040 a forced

00:19:16.400 abortion

00:19:16.800 only one

00:19:17.560 child

00:19:17.860 one

00:19:18.180 child

00:19:18.400 policy

00:19:18.780 the

00:19:20.540 most recent

00:19:21.400 years

00:19:21.680 because

00:19:22.060 the

00:19:22.240 CCP

00:19:22.500 said

00:19:22.880 oh

00:19:23.120 we need

00:19:23.540 more young

00:19:24.040 people

00:19:24.420 otherwise

00:19:25.020 our

00:19:25.320 economy

00:19:25.700 is dying

00:19:26.540 so

00:19:27.320 they are

00:19:27.800 sort of

00:19:28.120 forcing

00:19:28.620 their party

00:19:29.180 members

00:19:29.540 to have

00:19:29.940 two

00:19:30.180 more

00:19:30.580 two

00:19:31.000 and

00:19:31.200 three

00:19:31.420 children

00:19:31.800 you

00:19:32.400 can't

00:19:32.880 have

00:19:33.060 one

00:19:33.420 have

00:19:33.920 two

00:19:34.120 or

00:19:34.280 more

00:19:34.560 so

00:19:35.440 the

00:19:37.320 CCP

00:19:38.080 should be

00:19:38.240 very careful

00:19:38.620 talking about

00:19:39.080 abortion

00:19:39.340 in the

00:19:40.140 open

00:19:40.340 church

00:19:40.660 and also

00:19:41.660 other social

00:19:43.220 issues

00:19:43.680 like

00:19:43.980 fighting

00:19:45.140 the tyranny

00:19:45.920 just the war

00:19:47.740 theory

00:19:48.320 disobedience

00:19:50.440 protest

00:19:51.120 human rights

00:19:52.100 human dignity

00:19:53.000 LGBT

00:19:55.260 that kind of

00:19:56.160 thing

00:19:56.380 you know

00:19:57.740 you don't talk

00:19:58.740 about that

00:19:59.100 in the

00:20:00.100 CCP

00:20:00.400 church

00:20:00.820 one

00:20:01.600 is

00:20:01.820 the persecution

00:20:03.060 from the

00:20:03.480 regime

00:20:04.160 number

00:20:04.780 two

00:20:05.140 many times

00:20:06.220 our clergy

00:20:07.220 in the

00:20:08.020 in the

00:20:08.340 patriotic

00:20:08.740 church 0.99

00:20:09.040 they are

00:20:09.820 proactive

00:20:10.420 to cooperate

00:20:11.720 self-censor

00:20:13.020 so that's

00:20:14.380 what I call

00:20:14.800 corruption

00:20:15.500 of conscience

00:20:16.120 there are

00:20:17.000 good ones

00:20:17.500 in the

00:20:17.800 CCP

00:20:18.920 church

00:20:19.320 don't

00:20:19.840 be

00:20:20.180 mistaken

00:20:20.820 there are

00:20:21.460 good ones

00:20:21.920 ones

00:20:22.480 with

00:20:22.660 holiness

00:20:23.060 priests

00:20:24.140 and bishops

00:20:25.180 but

00:20:25.900 you have

00:20:28.060 to cooperate

00:20:28.740 you have

00:20:29.320 to survive

00:20:29.880 in that

00:20:30.200 environment

00:20:30.700 they

00:20:31.600 interact

00:20:32.080 you

00:20:32.300 to the

00:20:32.700 training

00:20:33.260 session

00:20:33.600 brainwashing

00:20:34.440 seminars

00:20:35.180 and

00:20:35.900 conferences

00:20:36.700 and

00:20:37.520 least

00:20:37.800 once

00:20:38.140 and then

00:20:39.380 where is

00:20:39.680 your time

00:20:40.200 to pray

00:20:41.100 your time

00:20:41.940 to preach

00:20:42.420 so I call

00:20:44.100 that

00:20:44.300 corruption

00:20:44.880 gradual

00:20:45.920 daily

00:20:46.520 increasing

00:20:47.620 corruption

00:20:48.440 of conscience

00:20:49.340 in the

00:20:50.640 CCP

00:20:50.960 church

00:20:51.360 one of the

00:20:52.500 things that

00:20:53.020 we've heard

00:20:53.620 is are there

00:20:54.760 restrictions

00:20:55.280 on young

00:20:56.500 people attending

00:20:57.240 mass

00:20:57.600 yes

00:20:58.800 professor said

00:21:00.360 that correctly

00:21:01.040 he said

00:21:01.520 that different

00:21:02.800 provinces

00:21:03.300 different regions

00:21:04.080 have different

00:21:04.540 policies

00:21:05.020 yes

00:21:05.680 depending on

00:21:07.560 the party

00:21:08.100 member

00:21:08.460 officials

00:21:08.900 how they

00:21:09.660 executed

00:21:10.320 that policy

00:21:11.060 you cannot

00:21:12.180 have your

00:21:12.580 agent there

00:21:14.040 watching the

00:21:14.680 church door

00:21:15.280 24-7

00:21:16.540 but yes

00:21:18.000 they imposed

00:21:18.720 that rule

00:21:19.140 they imposed

00:21:19.640 that rule

00:21:20.080 so that

00:21:20.920 means

00:21:21.100 things like

00:21:22.180 summer camp

00:21:22.840 especially

00:21:25.400 during the

00:21:26.000 past three

00:21:26.700 years

00:21:26.900 of Kobe

00:21:27.300 has disappeared

00:21:28.840 those

00:21:29.340 programs

00:21:29.840 disappeared

00:21:30.400 it's like

00:21:32.240 the Hong Kong

00:21:33.960 Victoria Park

00:21:35.100 nights

00:21:36.060 every year

00:21:36.800 since the

00:21:37.280 1989 massacre

00:21:38.560 every year

00:21:39.340 that's

00:21:39.760 the

00:21:40.400 commemoration

00:21:41.480 every

00:21:43.160 over

00:21:43.920 100,000

00:21:45.380 gathering

00:21:46.400 every year

00:21:47.120 that they drew

00:21:47.800 forth

00:21:48.180 to commemorate

00:21:49.800 Tamar massacre

00:21:50.660 until

00:21:51.900 three years ago

00:21:53.320 in the name

00:21:54.040 of Kobe

00:21:54.440 control

00:21:54.840 disappeared

00:21:55.780 from the earth

00:21:56.460 that was the only

00:21:57.540 place on the earth

00:21:58.720 that Chinese 1.00

00:21:59.640 are allowed

00:22:00.080 together

00:22:00.560 in Hong Kong

00:22:01.660 to commemorate

00:22:04.480 so tell us

00:22:06.180 if you can

00:22:06.760 what have you

00:22:08.840 seen of the

00:22:09.720 effect of

00:22:10.840 the new

00:22:12.180 Pope Francis

00:22:13.140 deal with

00:22:14.180 the Chinese

00:22:15.220 government

00:22:15.520 with Beijing

00:22:16.040 I talk about

00:22:17.640 the impacts

00:22:18.540 are on

00:22:20.020 different levels

00:22:20.720 and the

00:22:21.500 different

00:22:21.820 facades

00:22:23.100 I talk about

00:22:24.220 this in the

00:22:24.960 context of

00:22:25.480 the

00:22:25.640 in my article

00:22:26.580 on the

00:22:27.000 National Catholic

00:22:28.500 Register

00:22:28.920 in the context

00:22:30.460 of the

00:22:30.820 I call that

00:22:31.620 Twine

00:22:32.220 China

00:22:33.120 China of 0.73

00:22:34.000 Protestants

00:22:34.580 China of 0.73

00:22:35.260 Catholics

00:22:35.680 China of 0.73

00:22:36.700 non-religious

00:22:38.240 dissidents

00:22:39.260 so

00:22:40.900 imagine a picture

00:22:43.100 the Protestant

00:22:44.480 leader

00:22:45.020 is Pastor

00:22:46.860 Wang Yi

00:22:47.420 okay

00:22:48.680 Pastor Wang Yi

00:22:49.500 the Catholic

00:22:50.420 leader

00:22:52.080 he's now

00:22:52.740 serving nine

00:22:53.240 years in prison

00:22:53.900 the Catholic

00:22:55.460 leader

00:22:55.840 dissident

00:22:56.560 prophet

00:22:57.540 is Cardinals

00:22:58.780 in

00:22:58.960 okay

00:23:00.320 and

00:23:01.460 the

00:23:02.220 non-religious

00:23:03.960 dissident

00:23:04.300 leader

00:23:04.600 maybe

00:23:04.940 Dr.

00:23:05.880 Liu Xiaobo

00:23:06.500 no

00:23:07.300 whale

00:23:07.540 peace

00:23:07.820 prize

00:23:08.140 we learn

00:23:08.540 now

00:23:09.120 died

00:23:09.540 and

00:23:11.540 adopted

00:23:12.500 to the

00:23:12.820 sea

00:23:13.040 okay

00:23:13.580 to the

00:23:14.000 ocean

00:23:14.240 so

00:23:15.240 those

00:23:15.620 three

00:23:16.080 prophets

00:23:16.580 leading

00:23:17.200 the

00:23:17.620 Chinese

00:23:18.140 nation

00:23:18.540 leading

00:23:18.840 Chinese

00:23:19.180 people

00:23:19.520 out of

00:23:20.120 Egypt

00:23:20.540 Exodus

00:23:21.540 right

00:23:22.680 but

00:23:23.640 those

00:23:23.940 those

00:23:24.560 followers

00:23:25.160 behind them

00:23:25.880 are not

00:23:26.340 very much

00:23:26.800 cooperative

00:23:27.340 they don't

00:23:28.380 talk to each

00:23:28.940 other

00:23:29.080 Protestants

00:23:29.740 among

00:23:30.420 Protestants

00:23:31.040 and Catholics

00:23:31.560 we don't

00:23:32.480 talk to each

00:23:32.980 other

00:23:33.160 we don't

00:23:33.540 know each

00:23:33.840 other's

00:23:34.160 existence

00:23:34.920 mutually

00:23:35.900 that's

00:23:37.000 why I'm

00:23:37.400 doing this

00:23:37.740 ministry

00:23:38.060 to promote

00:23:38.560 dialogue

00:23:38.920 in a

00:23:39.400 solidarity

00:23:40.020 so

00:23:41.340 there's

00:23:41.580 still

00:23:42.320 something

00:23:43.080 very thin

00:23:44.000 bond

00:23:44.660 right

00:23:45.340 I tell you

00:23:45.860 this

00:23:46.040 in my article

00:23:46.520 I said

00:23:46.920 Cardinal

00:23:47.900 then

00:23:48.260 pass the

00:23:49.180 message

00:23:49.540 I pass

00:23:50.000 that

00:23:50.180 message

00:23:50.500 to

00:23:51.240 Pastor

00:23:51.580 Wang

00:23:51.820 he

00:23:52.020 Pastor

00:23:53.020 said

00:23:53.480 I

00:23:54.640 wholeheartedly

00:23:56.080 pray for

00:23:56.780 Pastor

00:23:57.160 Wang

00:23:57.400 and also

00:23:58.360 seek the

00:23:59.000 blessing

00:23:59.400 from

00:24:00.160 Pastor

00:24:00.520 Wang

00:24:00.780 wow

00:24:02.060 this

00:24:02.320 is

00:24:02.420 historic

00:24:03.080 this

00:24:03.620 is

00:24:05.260 the

00:24:05.460 of

00:24:07.740 solidarity

00:24:08.340 there's

00:24:09.760 500

00:24:10.360 years

00:24:10.980 of

00:24:11.140 mutual

00:24:11.620 hatred

00:24:12.000 right

00:24:12.900 so

00:24:13.740 but

00:24:14.260 this

00:24:14.620 deal

00:24:15.140 this

00:24:16.380 deal

00:24:16.780 make

00:24:17.600 itself

00:24:18.040 laughable

00:24:18.680 just

00:24:19.800 destroys

00:24:20.720 the

00:24:21.040 image

00:24:21.480 destroys

00:24:22.120 the

00:24:22.760 moral

00:24:23.640 authority

00:24:24.240 of our

00:24:24.880 Catholic

00:24:25.140 Church

00:24:25.500 before

00:24:26.300 the

00:24:26.640 Chinese

00:24:27.280 Protestants

00:24:27.880 before

00:24:28.440 the

00:24:28.780 Chinese

00:24:29.220 business

00:24:29.900 wow

00:24:31.180 look at

00:24:31.660 Rome

00:24:32.000 we don't

00:24:33.440 hear much

00:24:33.900 about

00:24:34.340 Rome

00:24:34.680 about

00:24:35.000 hope

00:24:35.320 about

00:24:35.700 Catholics

00:24:36.340 we don't

00:24:36.920 hear much

00:24:37.320 about

00:24:37.560 them

00:24:37.740 before

00:24:38.040 now

00:24:38.580 we hear

00:24:38.920 about

00:24:39.140 it

00:24:39.300 and

00:24:40.260 now

00:24:40.440 image

00:24:40.880 is

00:24:41.240 hypocrisy

00:24:42.420 is

00:24:43.060 betrayal

00:24:44.140 for

00:24:45.280 all

00:24:45.960 our

00:24:46.260 sacrifice

00:24:47.000 since

00:24:48.140 he took

00:24:49.680 over

00:24:49.960 betrayal

00:24:51.120 of

00:24:51.380 the

00:24:51.720 autograph

00:24:52.200 those

00:24:53.240 loyalty

00:24:54.560 the

00:24:55.580 decades

00:24:56.120 of

00:24:56.380 persecution

00:24:57.040 disappears

00:24:57.880 torture

00:24:58.460 imprisonment

00:24:59.940 the

00:25:01.000 impact

00:25:01.820 fundamentally

00:25:02.520 the deep

00:25:03.040 impact

00:25:03.580 is actually

00:25:04.920 destroying

00:25:05.640 the nation

00:25:08.240 building

00:25:08.600 Cardinal

00:25:09.200 said that

00:25:09.900 when the

00:25:12.220 Chinese

00:25:12.620 begin

00:25:13.120 the new

00:25:13.540 nation

00:25:14.160 building

00:25:14.540 who

00:25:15.440 will

00:25:15.640 trust

00:25:15.960 those

00:25:16.180 Catholics

00:25:16.560 just a

00:25:19.540 quick note

00:25:19.920 before we

00:25:20.360 return

00:25:20.680 if you

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00:25:42.020 back to

00:25:42.460 the video

00:25:42.840 it's

00:25:44.720 interesting

00:25:45.120 in

00:25:45.880 in

00:25:46.300 2018

00:25:46.840 i believe

00:25:47.400 it was

00:25:47.800 as you

00:25:48.800 mentioned

00:25:49.020 in your

00:25:49.260 article

00:25:49.520 too

00:25:49.880 pope

00:25:50.820 francis

00:25:51.380 lifted

00:25:52.540 seven

00:25:53.540 excommunications

00:25:54.480 of

00:25:56.360 communist

00:25:57.400 chinese

00:25:58.200 bishops

00:25:59.040 can you

00:25:59.980 explain that

00:26:00.440 for us

00:26:00.860 and what

00:26:01.340 was the

00:26:01.600 effect

00:26:01.980 of the

00:26:02.600 lifting

00:26:02.940 of those

00:26:03.340 excommunications

00:26:04.120 before that

00:26:05.520 let me

00:26:06.180 add to

00:26:06.620 your last

00:26:07.160 question

00:26:07.560 last

00:26:07.980 question

00:26:08.260 is

00:26:08.440 worth

00:26:09.880 many

00:26:10.260 hours

00:26:10.560 of

00:26:10.740 talk

00:26:11.040 2018

00:26:12.860 when the

00:26:14.420 secret

00:26:14.740 deal

00:26:15.100 is done

00:26:15.660 i think

00:26:16.820 year

00:26:17.060 after

00:26:17.460 2019

00:26:18.140 beijing

00:26:20.000 issued

00:26:22.000 the order

00:26:22.500 to all

00:26:23.840 the

00:26:24.080 churches

00:26:24.740 in china

00:26:25.220 to register

00:26:26.620 with the

00:26:26.900 government

00:26:27.220 okay

00:26:29.160 the

00:26:30.020 article

00:26:30.300 issued

00:26:30.700 a pastoral

00:26:31.540 instruction

00:26:32.420 pastoral

00:26:33.100 guidance

00:26:35.620 on how

00:26:36.260 to handle

00:26:36.580 this

00:26:36.880 that becomes

00:26:38.680 that

00:26:39.020 it's okay

00:26:41.040 for you

00:26:41.600 to register

00:26:42.240 with the

00:26:42.600 ccp

00:26:43.640 don't worry

00:26:45.020 too much

00:26:45.440 it's not

00:26:45.820 betrayal

00:26:46.140 you just

00:26:47.260 need to

00:26:47.640 when you

00:26:47.940 sign

00:26:48.200 the paper

00:26:48.660 you just

00:26:50.300 need to

00:26:50.720 in your

00:26:51.040 heart

00:26:51.440 your intention

00:26:53.120 or verbally

00:26:54.240 even verbally

00:26:55.160 you can

00:26:56.560 you just

00:26:57.380 swear

00:26:58.160 loyalty

00:26:58.800 to wrong

00:26:59.280 that's fine

00:27:00.140 for you

00:27:00.720 to sign

00:27:01.100 okay

00:27:02.400 and for

00:27:03.560 those

00:27:03.900 who do

00:27:04.300 not

00:27:04.580 want

00:27:04.820 to

00:27:04.960 sign

00:27:05.320 who do

00:27:06.920 not

00:27:07.140 refuse

00:27:07.580 to

00:27:07.800 sign

00:27:08.120 rome

00:27:09.780 that can

00:27:10.480 respect

00:27:10.900 you

00:27:11.200 respect

00:27:12.340 your

00:27:12.580 conscience

00:27:12.860 and of

00:27:14.240 course

00:27:14.420 as i said

00:27:15.380 we hope

00:27:16.360 that

00:27:16.620 we expect

00:27:17.460 that the

00:27:18.180 regime

00:27:18.580 will

00:27:18.980 ccp

00:27:19.500 will

00:27:19.800 respect

00:27:21.140 the

00:27:21.440 religious

00:27:22.280 liberty

00:27:23.200 okay

00:27:24.900 so this

00:27:26.120 issue

00:27:26.540 this

00:27:27.240 ccp

00:27:28.660 order

00:27:29.040 to

00:27:29.300 register

00:27:29.740 really

00:27:31.060 tear

00:27:31.660 apart

00:27:32.280 division

00:27:34.380 a huge

00:27:35.740 division

00:27:36.220 among

00:27:37.140 the

00:27:37.420 among

00:27:38.220 the

00:27:38.480 Chinese

00:27:38.760 church

00:27:39.100 and ccp 1.00

00:27:40.700 i think

00:27:41.120 many people

00:27:41.760 think ccp 1.00

00:27:42.980 is taking

00:27:43.760 advantage

00:27:44.420 of the

00:27:45.560 secret deal

00:27:46.120 year before

00:27:46.860 2018

00:27:47.540 ccp is

00:27:48.860 taking advantage

00:27:49.700 of this

00:27:51.080 secret deal

00:27:51.740 to bring

00:27:53.460 everybody to

00:27:54.100 control

00:27:54.540 ccp is

00:27:55.700 like saying

00:27:56.140 see

00:27:56.500 look

00:27:56.960 pope francis

00:27:58.600 your pope

00:27:59.200 your papa

00:27:59.920 has

00:28:00.860 reached agreement

00:28:02.080 with us

00:28:02.660 you understand

00:28:04.860 how it works

00:28:06.240 i can read

00:28:07.260 to you

00:28:07.700 i can't think

00:28:08.440 that you can

00:28:08.740 read to you

00:28:09.200 on the paper

00:28:11.660 i have a paper

00:28:12.200 in front of me

00:28:12.660 a copy of

00:28:13.200 what priest

00:28:14.920 need to sign

00:28:15.520 the paper

00:28:16.380 is like

00:28:16.860 the paper

00:28:18.220 is like

00:28:18.640 it's called

00:28:19.160 it's a sheep

00:28:21.620 hat

00:28:22.000 but you're

00:28:22.780 selling the

00:28:23.560 dog meat

00:28:24.320 okay

00:28:25.760 the sheep

00:28:26.700 hat

00:28:27.060 means

00:28:28.080 literally

00:28:29.360 i read

00:28:29.780 from the

00:28:30.440 paper

00:28:30.720 means

00:28:31.400 when you

00:28:33.740 sign

00:28:34.160 this paper

00:28:35.020 that means

00:28:35.560 i register

00:28:36.220 with the

00:28:36.640 ccp

00:28:37.220 i keep

00:28:39.560 full communion

00:28:40.480 with my

00:28:41.680 faith

00:28:42.420 my doctrine

00:28:43.320 my church

00:28:44.000 which is

00:28:45.940 one

00:28:46.300 holy

00:28:47.200 catholic

00:28:48.640 and apostolic

00:28:49.680 okay

00:28:50.640 this is the

00:28:51.100 sheep

00:28:51.300 hat

00:28:51.560 right

00:28:52.600 and the

00:28:53.720 next paragraph

00:28:54.440 is

00:28:54.940 is a

00:28:56.200 dog

00:28:56.520 meat

00:28:56.760 that says

00:28:57.900 i read it

00:28:58.360 literally

00:28:58.660 it says

00:28:59.500 i also

00:29:00.940 promise to

00:29:01.900 speak to

00:29:02.420 the chinese

00:29:02.940 law

00:29:03.280 constitution

00:29:04.580 the law

00:29:05.880 speak to

00:29:07.800 the ccp 1.00

00:29:09.100 principle

00:29:09.480 that

00:29:09.820 our church

00:29:10.700 is

00:29:10.980 independence

00:29:11.660 full independence

00:29:12.620 full autonomy

00:29:13.740 okay

00:29:15.420 wow

00:29:16.420 how can you

00:29:23.600 have both

00:29:24.220 it's like

00:29:25.240 president

00:29:25.980 lincoln

00:29:26.400 you can't

00:29:27.180 have a

00:29:27.400 house

00:29:27.680 divided

00:29:28.180 for a

00:29:29.940 person

00:29:30.380 can the

00:29:31.260 holiness

00:29:31.660 can the

00:29:32.060 simple

00:29:32.320 needs

00:29:32.600 can co-exist

00:29:33.420 for long

00:29:34.040 the china

00:29:35.320 system

00:29:35.780 and hk

00:29:36.620 hk hk hk 0.66

00:29:37.200 hk hk system

00:29:37.560 can co-exist

00:29:38.560 for long

00:29:39.080 you see hk hk died 0.89

00:29:40.560 destroyed

00:29:41.160 can the china

00:29:42.580 system and

00:29:43.120 taiwan system

00:29:43.960 co-exist

00:29:44.760 for long

00:29:45.320 can the

00:29:46.640 underground

00:29:46.960 church

00:29:47.520 and the ccp 1.00

00:29:49.120 controlled church

00:29:50.220 co-exist

00:29:51.380 for long

00:29:52.260 no

00:29:53.980 no

00:29:54.880 can respect

00:29:56.020 the faith

00:29:56.580 respect

00:29:57.040 our

00:29:57.460 our uh

00:29:58.520 our church

00:29:59.700 respect

00:30:00.100 adoption

00:30:00.600 and respect

00:30:01.960 the ccp 1.00

00:30:03.260 law

00:30:03.580 can they

00:30:04.200 co-resist

00:30:05.900 for long

00:30:06.700 no

00:30:08.140 they're

00:30:09.120 mutually

00:30:09.880 contradicted

00:30:10.500 so so do

00:30:13.500 tell us then

00:30:14.180 what have you

00:30:15.100 seen from

00:30:16.040 the uh

00:30:17.960 effect on

00:30:19.060 the people

00:30:19.580 of the

00:30:20.560 2018 agreement

00:30:21.740 in the uh

00:30:23.520 open church

00:30:25.160 in the ccp 0.99

00:30:25.840 church

00:30:26.260 many faithful

00:30:28.380 many faithful

00:30:29.180 if not most

00:30:30.060 i would say

00:30:30.560 most

00:30:30.920 they're

00:30:31.780 sympathetic

00:30:32.160 to ccp 1.00

00:30:33.480 they're

00:30:34.400 they're

00:30:35.240 many of them

00:30:35.840 brainwashed

00:30:36.500 uh

00:30:37.760 they don't

00:30:38.240 they can't

00:30:38.900 they don't

00:30:39.340 overcome

00:30:39.760 the great

00:30:40.360 firewalls

00:30:41.060 they don't

00:30:41.300 they don't

00:30:41.600 get afraid

00:30:42.100 of the

00:30:42.720 uh

00:30:43.060 the true

00:30:43.500 information

00:30:44.080 uh

00:30:45.100 they don't

00:30:45.540 even care

00:30:46.000 what

00:30:46.320 what rome

00:30:46.960 is doing

00:30:47.320 what they

00:30:48.780 do

00:30:49.060 is they

00:30:49.800 just

00:30:50.680 can follow

00:30:51.320 they show

00:30:52.980 their

00:30:53.240 so-called

00:30:53.800 loyalty

00:30:54.260 to

00:30:55.300 vatican

00:30:55.960 well

00:30:56.740 it's cool

00:30:57.180 right

00:30:57.400 we need

00:30:57.760 to

00:30:57.920 you know

00:30:58.480 we have

00:30:58.820 some

00:30:59.080 as lady

00:30:59.980 people

00:31:00.620 we have

00:31:01.020 some

00:31:01.260 level

00:31:01.500 of

00:31:01.680 obedience

00:31:02.680 there

00:31:03.080 right

00:31:03.380 it's not

00:31:03.760 to that

00:31:04.320 level

00:31:04.660 of

00:31:04.860 the

00:31:05.440 vow

00:31:05.740 of

00:31:05.920 obedience

00:31:06.320 but uh

00:31:06.980 so

00:31:07.540 but they

00:31:07.960 don't see

00:31:08.380 the truth

00:31:08.860 they don't

00:31:09.620 see what's

00:31:09.980 happening

00:31:10.280 in the west

00:31:11.020 the radical

00:31:12.020 left

00:31:12.400 they don't

00:31:13.020 see what's

00:31:13.420 happening

00:31:13.760 with the

00:31:14.220 with poor

00:31:15.100 francis

00:31:15.460 with the

00:31:15.740 you know

00:31:15.960 the

00:31:16.200 controversial

00:31:17.040 lgbt

00:31:18.220 sexual

00:31:18.940 teaching

00:31:19.440 they don't

00:31:19.980 know

00:31:20.160 that

00:31:20.440 so

00:31:21.440 open church

00:31:22.460 ccp

00:31:22.980 church

00:31:23.340 they're

00:31:23.740 fine

00:31:24.380 with their

00:31:24.980 sacred

00:31:25.340 deal

00:31:25.600 they don't

00:31:25.880 know much

00:31:26.260 about that

00:31:26.760 but for

00:31:27.740 underground

00:31:28.220 people

00:31:28.740 underground

00:31:29.420 many of

00:31:30.760 them

00:31:30.900 feel betrayed

00:31:31.620 feel betrayed

00:31:32.880 i'm actually

00:31:34.120 with a

00:31:34.620 you know

00:31:35.160 we chat

00:31:35.700 group

00:31:35.960 with a

00:31:36.420 with a

00:31:37.180 with a

00:31:37.520 with a

00:31:38.160 underground

00:31:39.040 village

00:31:39.600 underground

00:31:40.160 community

00:31:40.700 there

00:31:41.020 that one

00:31:42.520 priest

00:31:42.940 declared

00:31:44.220 himself

00:31:44.760 bishop

00:31:45.080 without

00:31:45.580 even

00:31:45.860 no-defined

00:31:46.380 rule

00:31:46.740 you see

00:31:48.160 the division

00:31:48.720 right

00:31:50.100 well of course

00:31:51.000 that contradicts

00:31:51.860 the canon law

00:31:53.000 it's a

00:31:53.400 it's very

00:31:53.800 sad

00:31:54.540 but he said

00:31:56.220 he said

00:31:56.920 i know

00:31:57.200 he's talking

00:31:57.660 every day

00:31:58.080 i hear this

00:31:58.720 is that

00:31:59.280 we feel

00:31:59.760 totally betrayed

00:32:00.800 and

00:32:01.360 and

00:32:01.820 Rome now

00:32:02.840 accuses us

00:32:03.740 as if

00:32:04.960 we are the

00:32:05.500 we are the

00:32:06.100 betrayer

00:32:06.520 we are the

00:32:06.940 divider

00:32:07.400 no

00:32:08.360 we're

00:32:08.800 we're

00:32:09.080 loyal to

00:32:09.720 to you

00:32:10.260 and now

00:32:11.680 you reject

00:32:12.360 us

00:32:12.900 what happened

00:32:15.000 in 2018

00:32:16.000 as you mentioned

00:32:16.600 in the article

00:32:17.160 why

00:32:18.400 were those

00:32:19.640 bishops

00:32:20.000 excommunicated

00:32:21.220 in the first

00:32:21.680 place

00:32:21.960 and then

00:32:22.980 they were

00:32:23.400 sort of

00:32:23.840 the excommunications

00:32:24.780 were lifted

00:32:25.320 and yet

00:32:26.160 they were

00:32:26.720 in right

00:32:27.480 with the

00:32:28.100 communist party

00:32:28.780 how did that

00:32:29.180 work

00:32:29.420 right now

00:32:30.100 i'm not sure

00:32:30.620 it's a

00:32:31.060 cardinal sentence

00:32:32.120 there was a

00:32:32.580 17

00:32:33.180 17

00:32:34.300 ccp

00:32:35.000 ccp bishops 0.54

00:32:36.580 in china

00:32:37.280 i think

00:32:37.720 i heard

00:32:38.040 maybe

00:32:38.600 about a hundred

00:32:39.880 i don't know

00:32:41.060 but there are

00:32:42.260 um

00:32:43.240 seven or

00:32:44.740 eight

00:32:45.080 illegitimate

00:32:46.800 bishops

00:32:47.600 okay

00:32:48.880 illegitimate

00:32:50.100 means that

00:32:50.600 some of them

00:32:51.060 even have

00:32:51.420 children

00:32:51.740 okay

00:32:52.880 and they're

00:32:53.720 they're only

00:32:54.940 approved by

00:32:55.620 uh

00:32:56.500 illegitimately

00:32:57.420 consecrated

00:32:58.120 by

00:32:58.380 Beijing

00:32:58.760 not consecrated

00:32:59.840 yeah

00:33:00.200 approved by

00:33:00.860 Beijing

00:33:01.180 okay

00:33:01.860 approved by

00:33:02.340 Beijing

00:33:02.580 only

00:33:02.920 without

00:33:03.620 notifying

00:33:04.020 Rome

00:33:04.340 and

00:33:05.580 Pope Francis

00:33:06.860 uh

00:33:09.840 those who

00:33:10.240 they were

00:33:10.460 excommunicated

00:33:11.180 right

00:33:11.500 Pope Francis

00:33:12.440 brought them

00:33:14.140 back to

00:33:14.760 illegitimate

00:33:15.420 and even

00:33:17.340 put them

00:33:18.960 to diocese

00:33:20.320 as bishop

00:33:20.760 but

00:33:22.440 and what he

00:33:23.820 did

00:33:24.080 what Vatican

00:33:24.600 did

00:33:24.980 i think

00:33:25.480 very

00:33:25.960 bad

00:33:27.060 very sad

00:33:28.260 is

00:33:28.980 they bring

00:33:30.640 the underground

00:33:32.180 bishop of that

00:33:33.040 diocese

00:33:33.960 to Beijing

00:33:34.680 to the best

00:33:35.800 to the best

00:33:35.820 place

00:33:36.780 because uh

00:33:37.560 the Vatican

00:33:38.480 dedicated

00:33:38.900 was a will

00:33:39.500 received by

00:33:40.220 the CCP

00:33:40.740 right

00:33:41.180 i think

00:33:42.520 the 20

00:33:43.000 this is the

00:33:43.420 2018

00:33:43.900 after

00:33:44.840 around that

00:33:45.680 the time

00:33:46.980 of making

00:33:47.540 the deal

00:33:47.980 they forced

00:33:50.140 the urge

00:33:50.780 the Vatican

00:33:51.420 urged

00:33:52.000 Beijing

00:33:52.820 both Beijing

00:33:54.200 and the Vatican

00:33:54.740 urged the

00:33:56.100 underground

00:33:56.460 bishop

00:33:56.820 resign

00:33:57.960 vote

00:33:59.320 vacate

00:34:00.200 give the

00:34:00.820 your chair

00:34:01.480 give the

00:34:01.960 C

00:34:02.300 to the

00:34:03.540 CCP

00:34:04.920 bishop

00:34:05.360 we just

00:34:06.560 lifted up

00:34:07.300 his

00:34:07.760 excommunication

00:34:08.500 so he

00:34:09.460 is now

00:34:09.820 legitimate

00:34:10.500 give your

00:34:11.580 C

00:34:11.840 give your

00:34:12.220 chair

00:34:12.500 to that

00:34:13.180 guy

00:34:13.380 to that

00:34:13.780 man

00:34:13.980 and you

00:34:15.160 resign

00:34:15.480 and that

00:34:16.560 man

00:34:17.000 who as

00:34:17.760 you said

00:34:18.120 has a

00:34:19.120 wife

00:34:19.620 and children

00:34:20.760 not really

00:34:22.100 a priest

00:34:22.500 of any

00:34:22.860 kind

00:34:23.260 just a

00:34:24.660 person

00:34:25.120 assigned

00:34:25.680 by the

00:34:26.860 communist

00:34:27.260 party

00:34:27.720 to be

00:34:28.580 the

00:34:28.840 bishop

00:34:29.340 yes

00:34:30.640 yes

00:34:31.880 i know

00:34:32.980 that

00:34:33.180 i know

00:34:33.720 that

00:34:33.900 guy

00:34:34.080 i know

00:34:34.980 that

00:34:35.160 guy

00:34:35.380 so

00:34:36.080 this is

00:34:37.220 reported

00:34:37.540 by

00:34:37.720 the

00:34:37.840 times

00:34:38.260 and

00:34:39.680 the

00:34:39.840 underground

00:34:41.320 bishops

00:34:41.640 were

00:34:42.060 forced

00:34:42.720 urged

00:34:43.620 to

00:34:44.180 resign

00:34:45.040 with

00:34:45.740 tears

00:34:46.460 imagine

00:34:47.820 that

00:34:48.100 tears

00:34:48.480 of

00:34:48.680 innocence

00:34:49.900 today's

00:34:51.200 land

00:34:51.480 right

00:34:52.580 you feel

00:34:53.700 that

00:34:53.980 the

00:34:55.540 tears

00:34:56.200 were

00:34:56.380 between

00:34:56.660 one of

00:34:59.120 the things

00:34:59.500 that happened

00:34:59.940 that was

00:35:00.260 very

00:35:00.700 tragic

00:35:01.300 was

00:35:02.520 at least

00:35:03.800 the world

00:35:04.200 was able

00:35:04.700 to see

00:35:05.000 it

00:35:05.200 cardinals

00:35:06.780 then

00:35:07.120 traveled

00:35:08.120 to the

00:35:09.140 vatican

00:35:09.640 specifically

00:35:10.880 to meet

00:35:11.700 with pope

00:35:12.360 francis

00:35:12.780 because

00:35:13.180 he had

00:35:14.060 been writing

00:35:14.560 and it's

00:35:15.220 always been

00:35:15.720 ignored

00:35:16.100 so he

00:35:17.140 went

00:35:17.400 specifically

00:35:18.000 to the

00:35:18.460 vatican

00:35:18.900 to meet

00:35:20.180 with pope

00:35:20.480 francis

00:35:20.880 and

00:35:23.300 was a

00:35:24.880 scandal

00:35:25.220 to the

00:35:26.000 whole wide

00:35:26.260 world

00:35:26.500 because the

00:35:28.140 pope refused

00:35:28.880 to meet

00:35:30.280 with him

00:35:30.620 same time

00:35:31.760 the pope

00:35:32.220 would meet

00:35:32.800 with

00:35:33.240 father james

00:35:35.320 martin

00:35:35.680 a radical

00:35:36.340 priest

00:35:36.820 he met

00:35:38.040 with all

00:35:38.400 sorts of

00:35:38.940 people 0.61

00:35:39.200 homosexual 0.93

00:35:39.680 groups

00:35:40.400 and so

00:35:41.160 on

00:35:41.360 but he

00:35:42.560 refused

00:35:42.980 to meet

00:35:43.400 with

00:35:43.640 cardinal

00:35:43.980 zen

00:35:44.220 tell us

00:35:45.720 about that

00:35:46.220 i read

00:35:48.800 cardinal

00:35:50.280 zen's 0.97

00:35:50.800 his blog

00:35:52.200 he

00:35:53.400 somewhere

00:35:54.020 he said

00:35:54.980 he i think

00:35:56.920 at that time

00:35:57.360 he was

00:35:57.760 an 88

00:35:58.320 year old

00:35:58.940 to the

00:36:00.500 flight

00:36:00.900 himself

00:36:01.980 with his

00:36:02.540 young

00:36:03.160 secretary

00:36:03.600 to rome

00:36:05.080 spending

00:36:05.680 four days

00:36:06.360 waiting

00:36:06.740 four days

00:36:07.460 there

00:36:07.740 and he

00:36:09.020 said

00:36:09.280 he's

00:36:09.600 checking

00:36:09.960 his

00:36:10.220 cell

00:36:10.440 phone

00:36:10.760 every

00:36:11.560 minute

00:36:12.040 just in

00:36:13.400 case

00:36:13.640 he

00:36:13.820 missed

00:36:14.060 the

00:36:14.220 phone

00:36:14.600 call

00:36:14.820 from

00:36:15.020 the

00:36:15.160 pope

00:36:15.400 and

00:36:16.700 he's

00:36:17.020 this

00:36:17.340 poor

00:36:18.060 old

00:36:18.980 man

00:36:19.300 is

00:36:19.460 just

00:36:19.660 requesting

00:36:20.200 30

00:36:20.840 minutes

00:36:21.320 of

00:36:21.540 meeting

00:36:21.840 and

00:36:24.520 no

00:36:25.020 signal

00:36:26.080 no

00:36:27.540 signal

00:36:27.960 so

00:36:30.460 that's

00:36:30.920 never

00:36:31.120 sitting

00:36:31.360 to me

00:36:31.720 to my

00:36:32.060 conscience

00:36:32.440 and

00:36:33.320 that

00:36:33.520 awakens

00:36:34.420 my

00:36:34.760 conscience

00:36:36.420 how do

00:36:37.900 I look

00:36:38.300 at

00:36:38.520 my

00:36:38.920 papa

00:36:39.240 my

00:36:39.560 holy

00:36:40.160 father

00:36:40.580 Pope

00:36:41.080 Francis

00:36:41.500 no

00:36:42.900 you

00:36:43.060 shouldn't

00:36:43.420 do

00:36:43.600 this

00:36:44.040 he's

00:36:45.460 80

00:36:46.840 year old

00:36:47.260 90

00:36:47.460 year old

00:36:48.100 unbelievable

00:36:49.380 what was

00:36:50.140 the

00:36:50.480 was there

00:36:51.940 a reaction

00:36:52.520 from catholics

00:36:53.440 in china

00:36:53.940 at that

00:36:54.260 time

00:36:54.520 did they

00:36:55.240 even

00:36:55.580 see

00:36:55.840 that

00:36:56.120 most

00:36:56.980 of

00:36:57.160 they

00:36:57.360 don't

00:36:57.820 care

00:36:58.040 they

00:36:58.280 don't

00:36:58.560 know

00:36:58.720 that

00:36:59.020 there's

00:37:00.560 a

00:37:00.660 hole

00:37:00.880 there

00:37:01.160 and

00:37:03.360 I can

00:37:03.580 tell you

00:37:03.860 this

00:37:04.220 I can

00:37:05.100 tell you

00:37:05.320 this

00:37:05.640 there

00:37:06.140 are

00:37:06.280 many

00:37:06.700 clergy

00:37:07.940 in

00:37:09.820 china

00:37:10.100 in

00:37:10.380 the

00:37:10.540 open

00:37:11.060 church

00:37:11.440 in

00:37:11.660 the

00:37:11.840 ccp

00:37:12.340 church

00:37:12.660 they

00:37:14.560 obey

00:37:17.100 whatever

00:37:19.040 the

00:37:19.820 holy

00:37:20.000 father

00:37:20.260 said

00:37:20.660 they

00:37:22.160 even

00:37:22.580 I

00:37:24.780 call

00:37:25.420 them

00:37:25.600 a

00:37:26.300 radical

00:37:26.620 left

00:37:27.060 this

00:37:27.980 this

00:37:29.980 is a

00:37:30.460 professor

00:37:30.820 this

00:37:31.160 is a

00:37:31.420 teaching

00:37:31.760 seminary

00:37:32.260 this

00:37:32.460 priest

00:37:32.740 and

00:37:33.380 he's

00:37:33.620 a

00:37:33.820 leader

00:37:35.480 of

00:37:35.680 our

00:37:36.420 congregation

00:37:36.920 he

00:37:37.460 got

00:37:38.040 his

00:37:38.200 education

00:37:38.640 in

00:37:38.960 the

00:37:39.060 United

00:37:39.300 States

00:37:39.640 now

00:37:40.640 in

00:37:40.800 China

00:37:41.040 and

00:37:41.940 we're

00:37:42.120 friends

00:37:42.340 we're

00:37:42.840 used

00:37:43.020 to be

00:37:43.220 friends

00:37:43.540 and

00:37:44.260 he

00:37:44.520 is

00:37:45.020 spreading

00:37:45.460 James

00:37:45.780 marketing

00:37:46.260 to

00:37:47.300 his

00:37:47.500 students

00:37:47.920 he's

00:37:49.780 part of

00:37:50.100 it

00:37:50.300 so he's

00:37:50.860 on that

00:37:51.180 line

00:37:51.420 so how

00:37:52.440 could

00:37:52.760 those

00:37:53.360 people

00:37:53.640 spread

00:37:54.060 the

00:37:54.260 truth

00:37:54.600 about

00:37:55.180 a

00:37:55.380 secret

00:37:57.460 deal

00:37:57.820 to

00:37:58.700 his

00:37:58.840 faithful

00:37:59.180 no

00:37:59.940 way

00:38:00.120 one

00:38:01.020 of

00:38:01.100 the

00:38:01.180 other

00:38:01.340 things

00:38:01.580 that

00:38:01.820 that

00:38:02.440 you

00:38:02.660 mentioned

00:38:03.100 in

00:38:03.740 your

00:38:03.920 piece

00:38:04.280 and

00:38:04.560 and

00:38:05.020 is

00:38:05.180 a

00:38:05.340 reality

00:38:05.740 for

00:38:06.320 having

00:38:08.560 to

00:38:08.800 deal

00:38:09.120 with

00:38:09.520 Pope

00:38:10.340 Francis

00:38:10.700 from

00:38:11.220 the

00:38:11.900 Chinese

00:38:12.280 perspective

00:38:12.760 is

00:38:14.100 that

00:38:14.320 Pope

00:38:15.360 Francis

00:38:15.780 didn't

00:38:17.320 even

00:38:17.520 pray

00:38:18.040 for

00:38:19.540 Cardinal

00:38:20.120 Zen

00:38:20.360 when

00:38:20.640 he

00:38:21.120 was

00:38:21.460 put

00:38:21.700 on

00:38:21.860 trial

00:38:22.180 didn't

00:38:24.080 pray

00:38:24.680 for

00:38:25.080 the

00:38:25.320 plight

00:38:25.720 of

00:38:26.180 persecuted

00:38:26.660 Catholics

00:38:27.060 in

00:38:27.280 China

00:38:27.560 your

00:38:29.220 reaction

00:38:29.580 to

00:38:29.720 that

00:38:29.940 well

00:38:31.540 you

00:38:31.660 can

00:38:31.780 say

00:38:31.900 this

00:38:31.960 is

00:38:32.040 an

00:38:32.160 accusation

00:38:32.820 but

00:38:33.160 I

00:38:33.340 will

00:38:33.700 just

00:38:33.960 present

00:38:34.360 the

00:38:34.600 I

00:38:35.080 never

00:38:35.540 curse

00:38:35.940 I

00:38:36.120 pray

00:38:36.400 for

00:38:36.760 Papa

00:38:37.140 I

00:38:37.800 pray

00:38:37.980 for

00:38:38.160 him

00:38:38.380 I

00:38:39.560 am

00:38:40.260 still

00:38:40.520 in

00:38:40.840 sacramential

00:38:41.580 communion

00:38:41.960 waiting

00:38:42.960 right

00:38:43.840 but

00:38:45.380 there are

00:38:45.540 facts

00:38:45.940 exposed

00:38:47.040 word

00:38:47.440 is

00:38:47.620 that

00:38:47.840 number

00:38:48.500 one

00:38:48.820 in

00:38:50.700 that

00:38:50.980 scene

00:38:51.440 right

00:38:52.260 all

00:38:52.700 the

00:38:52.940 cardinals

00:38:53.640 gathered

00:38:54.480 in

00:38:54.760 Rome

00:38:54.980 and

00:38:55.880 Cardinal

00:38:56.220 told us

00:38:57.880 Cardinal

00:38:58.660 told us

00:38:59.380 that

00:38:59.940 no

00:39:00.220 one

00:39:00.460 in

00:39:00.600 the

00:39:00.700 meeting

00:39:00.960 of

00:39:01.880 world

00:39:02.280 cardinals

00:39:02.940 no

00:39:03.420 one

00:39:03.780 nation

00:39:04.280 cardinals

00:39:04.720 and

00:39:04.880 no

00:39:05.860 prayer

00:39:06.560 offered

00:39:06.960 to

00:39:07.140 him

00:39:07.320 number

00:39:08.540 one

00:39:08.760 number

00:39:08.960 two

00:39:09.260 Pope

00:39:10.460 Francis

00:39:10.960 on the

00:39:11.880 airplane

00:39:12.420 I think

00:39:12.940 returning

00:39:13.260 from

00:39:13.460 middle

00:39:13.780 Asia

00:39:14.340 he said

00:39:15.460 I do

00:39:16.500 not

00:39:16.840 recognize

00:39:18.100 China

00:39:19.000 is 0.87

00:39:19.380 undemocratic

00:39:20.220 number

00:39:21.800 three

00:39:22.160 all

00:39:23.340 those years

00:39:23.980 the

00:39:24.320 huge

00:39:24.660 destruction

00:39:25.240 of the

00:39:25.760 nation

00:39:26.060 right

00:39:26.400 Hong Kong

00:39:26.980 Uyghur 0.99

00:39:27.480 Tibetans 0.99

00:39:28.260 everything

00:39:29.900 carried

00:39:31.760 down

00:39:32.000 churches

00:39:32.340 persecuting

00:39:33.200 faithful

00:39:34.220 all

00:39:35.260 those

00:39:35.540 did

00:39:36.480 my

00:39:36.720 Papa

00:39:37.040 Pope

00:39:37.380 Francis

00:39:37.700 say

00:39:38.740 anything

00:39:39.300 if not

00:39:40.500 on a

00:39:40.920 finger

00:39:41.240 if not

00:39:42.340 criticizing

00:39:45.080 dictatorship

00:39:46.140 but did

00:39:47.260 you

00:39:47.580 my

00:39:47.840 Papa

00:39:48.080 did

00:39:48.400 you

00:39:48.620 offer

00:39:49.100 comfort

00:39:50.620 did

00:39:51.460 you

00:39:51.600 offer

00:39:51.860 counsel

00:39:52.360 did

00:39:52.600 you

00:39:52.720 offer

00:39:52.940 encouragement

00:39:53.600 to

00:39:54.340 us

00:39:54.700 I

00:39:56.560 didn't

00:39:56.780 hear

00:39:56.980 that

00:39:57.300 number

00:39:59.880 four

00:40:00.200 the

00:40:01.520 most

00:40:01.740 recent

00:40:02.180 Pope

00:40:03.420 Francis

00:40:04.260 said

00:40:04.560 I

00:40:05.920 do

00:40:06.120 not

00:40:06.360 know

00:40:07.460 the

00:40:07.660 nature

00:40:07.960 of

00:40:08.320 Cardinal

00:40:08.680 Glenn's

00:40:09.140 case

00:40:09.480 I

00:40:10.740 thought

00:40:11.040 he's

00:40:11.240 just

00:40:11.440 like

00:40:11.760 a

00:40:11.940 unregistered

00:40:13.500 car

00:40:13.800 on the

00:40:14.440 street

00:40:14.640 being

00:40:14.920 called

00:40:15.160 by the

00:40:16.820 police

00:40:17.120 and

00:40:17.340 just

00:40:17.600 to

00:40:17.720 pay

00:40:17.880 the

00:40:18.020 fine

00:40:18.340 he

00:40:19.480 said

00:40:19.640 that

00:40:19.940 do

00:40:21.100 you

00:40:21.220 believe

00:40:21.440 that

00:40:21.740 I

00:40:23.040 don't

00:40:23.360 so

00:40:25.120 heartbroken

00:40:26.900 broken

00:40:28.240 I

00:40:29.060 just

00:40:29.300 feel

00:40:29.620 heartbroken

00:40:30.100 well

00:40:31.980 the

00:40:32.140 one

00:40:32.420 thing

00:40:33.340 I

00:40:34.480 can

00:40:34.680 tell

00:40:34.960 you

00:40:35.200 is

00:40:36.260 that

00:40:36.480 despite

00:40:36.940 the

00:40:38.160 loss

00:40:39.620 of the

00:40:40.340 of the

00:40:41.020 seemingly

00:40:41.520 loss

00:40:42.060 of the

00:40:42.420 concern

00:40:42.860 of Pope

00:40:43.480 Francis

00:40:43.860 you

00:40:45.920 have

00:40:46.100 got

00:40:46.440 countless

00:40:47.320 brothers and

00:40:47.780 sisters

00:40:48.020 around the

00:40:48.440 world

00:40:48.660 praying

00:40:49.940 ardently

00:40:50.760 praying

00:40:51.200 for the

00:40:52.320 persecuted

00:40:52.900 Catholics

00:40:53.360 in China

00:40:53.740 we know

00:40:54.060 very well

00:40:54.660 that the

00:40:56.500 suffering

00:40:56.780 church

00:40:57.260 in China

00:40:58.540 the

00:40:59.400 suffering

00:40:59.640 church

00:41:00.160 in

00:41:00.760 Nigeria

00:41:01.480 those

00:41:03.120 men

00:41:04.000 and women

00:41:04.400 and

00:41:05.340 children

00:41:05.740 are being

00:41:06.980 persecuted

00:41:07.560 being

00:41:07.980 sometimes

00:41:08.540 even

00:41:08.860 martyred

00:41:09.260 for their

00:41:09.580 faith

00:41:09.900 are what

00:41:12.200 stays

00:41:13.280 God's

00:41:13.860 hand of

00:41:14.380 punishment

00:41:14.760 from the

00:41:15.660 world

00:41:15.940 and

00:41:16.480 what

00:41:17.380 still

00:41:17.740 has him

00:41:18.240 reach out

00:41:18.700 with his

00:41:19.400 mercy and

00:41:19.940 forgiveness

00:41:20.280 be assured

00:41:22.140 of our

00:41:22.440 prayers

00:41:22.860 how

00:41:24.500 JP

00:41:24.900 how can

00:41:26.360 Catholics

00:41:27.520 Christians

00:41:28.040 in the

00:41:28.340 West

00:41:28.660 best help

00:41:30.040 our brothers

00:41:30.640 and sisters

00:41:31.040 in China

00:41:31.520 well

00:41:32.520 people will

00:41:33.360 ask

00:41:33.740 so what

00:41:34.340 should we

00:41:34.700 do

00:41:34.880 what

00:41:35.200 deal

00:41:36.060 should

00:41:36.340 it

00:41:36.440 supposed

00:41:36.800 to be

00:41:37.760 make

00:41:38.540 sure

00:41:40.940 the deal

00:41:41.440 anything

00:41:41.860 you

00:41:42.060 negotiate

00:41:43.200 with

00:41:44.080 the

00:41:44.180 communists

00:41:44.620 make

00:41:45.620 sure

00:41:45.820 you

00:41:45.980 first

00:41:46.620 release

00:41:47.100 the

00:41:47.280 prisoners

00:41:47.680 release

00:41:48.380 our

00:41:48.580 bishops

00:41:48.820 and churches

00:41:49.340 release

00:41:49.960 them

00:41:50.220 number

00:41:50.720 two

00:41:50.960 secure

00:41:51.660 religious

00:41:52.300 freedom

00:41:53.200 that's

00:41:54.220 the

00:41:54.400 that's

00:41:55.220 assumption

00:41:55.640 that's

00:41:56.080 the basis

00:41:56.520 guarantee

00:41:57.400 for a

00:41:57.960 successful

00:41:58.440 for a

00:41:59.600 moral

00:41:59.980 deal

00:42:00.660 with the

00:42:01.320 communists

00:42:01.720 so what

00:42:03.140 can you

00:42:03.360 do

00:42:03.620 my friends

00:42:04.180 you know

00:42:04.720 my Twitter

00:42:05.160 my friends

00:42:06.120 my Twitter

00:42:06.880 followers

00:42:07.340 they're all

00:42:07.940 faithful

00:42:08.460 Catholics

00:42:09.480 and Muslim

00:42:10.200 conservative

00:42:11.620 and traditional

00:42:12.540 from every

00:42:13.820 point of the

00:42:14.220 world

00:42:14.480 they tell

00:42:15.120 me

00:42:15.320 they're

00:42:15.620 praying

00:42:15.980 for

00:42:16.280 my

00:42:17.280 persecuted

00:42:17.680 people

00:42:18.100 they're

00:42:18.620 praying

00:42:18.860 for

00:42:19.000 colonel

00:42:19.300 zen

00:42:19.500 every

00:42:20.380 day

00:42:20.860 in their

00:42:21.760 mass

00:42:22.240 so

00:42:23.420 thank

00:42:23.760 you

00:42:24.000 and

00:42:25.520 don't

00:42:26.560 forget

00:42:26.920 colonel

00:42:27.560 zen

00:42:27.860 mitra

00:42:28.860 raqra 0.54

00:42:29.260 bisopua

00:42:29.840 abiris

00:42:30.460 team

00:42:31.600 milai

00:42:32.060 they have

00:42:33.340 good chance

00:42:33.880 to flee

00:42:34.500 flee

00:42:35.500 they chose

00:42:36.940 not

00:42:37.300 they chose

00:42:39.380 to lay

00:42:40.120 their

00:42:40.480 lives

00:42:41.340 for the

00:42:42.300 ship

00:42:42.520 so

00:42:44.000 also

00:42:44.500 my call

00:42:44.920 to you

00:42:45.180 my friends

00:42:45.600 is

00:42:45.840 urge

00:42:47.240 government

00:42:47.800 the

00:42:49.220 government

00:42:49.600 pick

00:42:50.760 the

00:42:50.900 good

00:42:51.080 life

00:42:51.380 and

00:42:52.760 do not

00:42:53.680 have

00:42:53.880 any

00:42:54.120 illusion

00:42:54.500 just like

00:42:55.240 John

00:42:55.560 Paul

00:42:55.700 said

00:42:56.140 do not

00:42:56.960 have

00:42:57.220 any

00:42:57.540 illusion

00:42:58.100 with the

00:42:59.480 communists

00:42:59.960 JP

00:43:01.020 how can

00:43:01.780 people

00:43:02.180 follow you

00:43:02.900 where can

00:43:03.320 they get

00:43:03.680 in touch

00:43:03.940 with you

00:43:04.180 learn more

00:43:04.660 about

00:43:04.960 what's

00:43:05.420 happening

00:43:05.780 and be

00:43:06.100 able

00:43:06.280 to

00:43:06.600 follow

00:43:07.000 what's

00:43:07.740 happening

00:43:08.120 to

00:43:08.600 the

00:43:09.080 Catholic

00:43:10.500 Church

00:43:10.840 in

00:43:11.140 China

00:43:11.460 okay

00:43:12.540 let me

00:43:12.840 take

00:43:13.060 the

00:43:13.220 personal

00:43:13.680 risk

00:43:14.100 for the

00:43:16.640 benefit

00:43:16.920 of

00:43:17.140 the

00:43:17.160 community

00:43:17.820 keep

00:43:18.360 her

00:43:18.500 solidarity

00:43:19.000 my

00:43:20.100 Twitter

00:43:20.320 is

00:43:20.720 Peter

00:43:22.160 of

00:43:22.840 China

00:43:23.220 Peter

00:43:24.380 of

00:43:24.900 China

00:43:25.360 that's

00:43:26.080 my

00:43:26.220 Twitter

00:43:26.420 okay

00:43:27.200 and

00:43:28.200 I

00:43:28.460 want to

00:43:28.700 read

00:43:28.980 the

00:43:29.120 last

00:43:29.380 words

00:43:29.760 to

00:43:31.120 you

00:43:31.400 because

00:43:32.500 I

00:43:32.740 also

00:43:33.060 want to

00:43:33.800 alert

00:43:34.520 you

00:43:34.740 caution

00:43:35.140 you

00:43:35.360 my

00:43:35.520 friends

00:43:35.820 the

00:43:36.760 things

00:43:37.100 the

00:43:37.280 persecution

00:43:37.720 the

00:43:37.920 betrayal

00:43:38.280 it's

00:43:39.680 not that

00:43:40.040 easy

00:43:40.360 it's

00:43:40.700 not that

00:43:41.020 simple

00:43:41.280 in

00:43:41.480 China

00:43:41.660 the

00:43:42.040 situation

00:43:42.480 is

00:43:42.640 very

00:43:42.840 very

00:43:43.040 complicated

00:43:44.100 even

00:43:44.820 many

00:43:45.560 underground

00:43:46.280 members

00:43:46.880 they

00:43:47.760 don't

00:43:48.120 feel

00:43:48.320 betrayed

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00:43:49.980 still

00:43:50.340 support

00:43:51.360 their

00:43:51.860 security

00:43:52.320 or

00:43:52.700 identity

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00:43:53.420 this

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00:43:54.360 our

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00:43:54.880 interview

00:43:55.220 to

00:43:55.860 talk

00:43:56.280 about

00:43:56.480 their

00:43:56.660 mentality

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00:43:58.040 special

00:43:58.580 circumstances

00:43:59.080 so

00:43:59.660 some

00:44:00.180 of

00:44:00.380 their

00:44:00.640 cowardice

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00:44:02.700 justifiable

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00:44:03.820 understandable

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00:44:05.760 very

00:44:05.920 complicated

00:44:06.240 okay

00:44:06.700 so

00:44:07.320 to

00:44:07.960 conclude

00:44:08.940 I

00:44:10.160 want to

00:44:10.360 read

00:44:10.520 things

00:44:10.800 to

00:44:11.040 today's

00:44:11.840 event

00:44:12.160 my

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00:44:14.120 friend

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00:44:18.520 I

00:44:18.880 read

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00:44:19.300 this

00:44:20.040 is

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00:44:21.240 molester

00:44:22.120 Joanna 0.76

00:44:22.620 Mary

00:44:23.160 Bonomo

00:44:23.880 feast the

00:44:24.680 day

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00:44:25.100 today

00:44:25.420 even

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00:44:28.260 as

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00:44:29.020 tried

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00:44:29.560 fire 0.58

00:44:29.960 her

00:44:30.280 constancy

00:44:30.840 was

00:44:31.220 tested

00:44:31.640 by

00:44:32.000 persecutions

00:44:32.720 religious

00:44:33.620 terms

00:44:34.140 belittled

00:44:34.580 her

00:44:34.780 piety

00:44:35.220 and

00:44:35.760 charged

00:44:36.120 her

00:44:36.440 with 0.99

00:44:36.680 hypocrisy

00:44:37.280 in the 0.76

00:44:38.300 midst

00:44:38.560 of

00:44:38.740 trials

00:44:39.200 she

00:44:39.780 preserved

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00:44:40.540 peace

00:44:40.820 of

00:44:40.980 soul

00:44:41.260 and

00:44:41.940 with

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00:44:42.480 suggested

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00:44:43.820 complain

00:44:44.420 against

00:44:45.320 her

00:44:45.540 enemies

00:44:46.020 she

00:44:46.860 replied

00:44:47.320 these

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00:44:48.940 are

00:44:49.220 priceless

00:44:49.640 treasures

00:44:50.160 tell me

00:44:51.300 rather

00:44:51.660 how

00:44:51.940 to offer

00:44:52.480 them

00:44:52.760 at the

00:44:53.160 foot

00:44:53.400 of

00:44:53.540 the

00:44:53.660 cross

00:44:53.980 than

00:44:54.800 to

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00:44:55.460 them

00:44:55.740 during

00:44:57.480 the

00:44:57.640 last

00:44:57.860 years

00:44:58.160 of

00:44:58.300 her

00:44:58.540 life

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00:44:59.800 suffered

00:45:00.140 much

00:45:00.540 from

00:45:01.080 sickness

00:45:01.540 she

00:45:02.460 died

00:45:02.680 in

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00:45:03.120 1670

00:45:04.220 so

00:45:05.740 I

00:45:05.920 want

00:45:06.040 to

00:45:06.120 say

00:45:06.300 is

00:45:06.500 those

00:45:07.680 honor

00:45:08.480 ground

00:45:08.800 faithful

00:45:09.460 clergy

00:45:10.160 they're

00:45:11.060 being

00:45:11.480 persecuted

00:45:11.940 but they

00:45:12.720 have

00:45:12.860 the

00:45:13.040 same

00:45:13.440 spirit

00:45:14.000 the

00:45:14.960 spirit

00:45:15.300 of

00:45:15.480 love

00:45:15.840 and

00:45:16.640 forgiveness

00:45:16.980 and

00:45:17.500 mercy

00:45:17.840 and

00:45:18.380 justice

00:45:18.820 just

00:45:19.740 like

00:45:20.020 this

00:45:20.200 blester

00:45:20.540 sister

00:45:20.960 said

00:45:21.620 so

00:45:22.680 pray

00:45:22.900 for

00:45:23.060 them

00:45:23.400 and

00:45:24.120 fight

00:45:24.700 amen

00:45:26.460 and

00:45:27.900 JP

00:45:28.160 we'll

00:45:28.580 pray

00:45:28.900 for

00:45:29.100 you

00:45:29.360 and

00:45:30.040 we

00:45:30.280 want

00:45:30.480 to

00:45:30.580 thank

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00:45:30.900 so

00:45:31.080 much

00:45:31.320 for

00:45:31.500 all

00:45:31.640 of

00:45:31.740 your

00:45:31.840 doing

00:45:32.180 to

00:45:33.240 help

00:45:33.640 the

00:45:34.400 Catholics

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00:45:35.440 Christians

00:45:35.740 in

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00:45:36.300 but

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00:45:40.300 but

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00:45:41.180 understand

00:45:41.800 their

00:45:42.220 example

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00:45:43.180 heroic

00:45:43.500 witness

00:45:43.980 to

00:45:44.620 the

00:45:44.760 faith

00:45:45.000 thank

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00:45:46.000 and

00:45:46.340 God

00:45:46.480 bless

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00:45:48.300 God

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00:45:50.400 God

00:45:50.660 bless

00:45:50.920 you

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The John-Henry Westen Show - February 27, 2023

EXCLUSIVE： Chinese Insider 'JP Freedom' Exposes Pope Francis' Communist Pact

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