The John-Henry Westen Show - October 16, 2026


Featured on Tucker Carlson - the Man Who Claims Evidence of Papal Infiltration

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00:00:00.000 And he said, the one who is to come will not be Jesus, but will have the same traits as
00:00:06.020 the Jesus who has already come and lived amongst us.
00:00:09.520 I mean, this is blasphemy. 0.63
00:00:11.600 Was he referring to Antichrist?
00:00:13.420 You call it what you want.
00:00:16.420 Well, my friends, you know, there are often times when we've seen conspiracy theories.
00:00:23.160 Conspiracy theories are, it's a funny thing.
00:00:25.240 We used to regard them always as something that just crazy people think about.
00:00:28.640 And then a lot of things happened in the recent past, which made us change our minds.
00:00:34.540 We were told that there was a conspiracy with regard to the Wuhan lab.
00:00:41.020 The lab leak was a baseless conspiracy from the start, we were told.
00:00:46.020 Now, a few years later, we know, well, no, that's not the case.
00:00:52.280 But there were examples from the past where there was conspiracies, which turned out to be false.
00:00:58.640 Remember well that in 1912, there was a man who showed us that evolution was real.
00:01:08.000 He showed us that this ancient belief in a God who made everything was totally nonsense
00:01:14.280 because we found the missing link.
00:01:16.660 It was in 1912 that we found the missing link, a skull.
00:01:21.840 and it was you know found to be the missing link from our ancestors of apes except the problem was
00:01:32.300 that it was found to be completely false here's how in 1912 it was done the missing link was
00:01:38.120 discovered and yet it was a skull combining a human-like cranium with an ape-like jaw found
00:01:44.840 in a gravel pit in Sussex, England. And in 1953, that's 41 years later, it was exposed as complete
00:01:54.420 fake. It was a composite. It was a relatively modern human skull, stained to look ancient,
00:02:00.640 paired with an orangutan jaw whose teeth had been filed down. The pieces had been chemically treated
00:02:06.640 and weighted with gravel to mimic fossils and fluorine dating later DNA confirmed the fraud
00:02:14.480 and it pointed to an amateur archaeologist Charles Dawson as the likely perpetrator but he died in
00:02:22.620 1916 so it was decades and decades before this hoax was uncovered so you know there's this thing
00:02:30.500 with conspiracy theories. Sometimes they're conspiracy fact, but we get to this point where
00:02:37.400 you don't know exactly. And one thing we've learned is to pay attention, to look at things,
00:02:44.780 especially when they're longstanding and won't die because there might be something there.
00:02:51.720 Now, in our recent stuff in the Catholic Church, it's been a wild ride. What we've seen with
00:03:00.320 regard to Francis and Leo, the possibility of them being anti-popes or falsely elected
00:03:08.480 has created such a stir. The very fact that we hosted a debate on that has made some people go
00:03:16.640 absolutely apoplectic. But there's an interesting thing that Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano said,
00:03:22.420 now a number of months ago. He talked about the need for Catholics who actually still believe
00:03:29.240 the faith, to put aside their differences for a time so that we can actually address together
00:03:35.100 the crisis in the church. Because there's so many disparate ideas among those who actually
00:03:42.060 see the crisis. You have people who see the crisis who are a Novus Ordo charismatic Catholic.
00:03:50.720 They see the crisis sometimes more than traditional Catholics. And yet on the other end, there's
00:03:55.120 set of accountants, hardcore set of accountants, or whatever they call them. But all along that
00:04:00.540 group are people who actually recognize there's a massive crisis in the church. So I wanted to
00:04:06.400 delve in and look at some of these folks that actually believe the faith and what evidence
00:04:13.380 they hold for believing the things they do. One of the people who's been doing this for many,
00:04:20.860 many years, is actually someone who you'd never expect to be doing this. He is a portrait artist.
00:04:29.480 He is someone who really was, his profession was art. He's a father of eight children. Listen to
00:04:37.380 some of this background. It's kind of stunning. He was a non-commissioned officer and military
00:04:42.420 illustrator for the US Air Force Reserve, a concept artist for presentations of future
00:04:47.420 spacecraft and equipment for NASA, model maker, plant designer for petrochemical engineering
00:04:53.260 and construction industry from 1968 to 1990. He's a publisher and nationwide distributor of
00:05:01.140 lithographic reproductions of his own original work, pencil portraits of three U.S. presidents
00:05:07.480 and a designer and general contractor for family homes. It's kind of crazy that this guy
00:05:14.480 uh with all this background in art would be researching one of the most controversial
00:05:21.080 topics ever and that is about what it was with regard to the election of the first pope that
00:05:29.460 many of those who are labeled as set of accountants say is the first anti-pope and that
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00:08:13.640 Gary Giffray, welcome to the program.
00:08:15.740 It's an honor to be with you, John Henry.
00:08:18.140 Let's begin, as always do, with the sign of the cross.
00:08:20.460 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
00:08:26.420 Seeing your background and your sort of depth into this, what many people would consider a wild conspiracy theory,
00:08:35.840 why would you go there? Why would you do that? You've got a great career. You've got a huge family.
00:08:40.820 You've got, now, what are you with grandchildren right now? How many? 23 grandchildren?
00:08:45.040 Something like that. I've lost count. Well, was it anything that happened recently, John Henry? I've actually been very concerned about what the direction the church's worship has been going for the last so many years.
00:09:01.220 And because I was raised to serve at the traditional Latin Mass, and our assistant pastor told us that not a syllable of the Mass could be changed, attenuated, removed, replaced.
00:09:15.520 And then one fine day on the 2nd of January 1961, as my fellow acolytes and I were suiting up with the cassock and surplus, our pastor came into the altar boy's sacristy.
00:09:31.900 And he said, I just want to let you know that we're not going to be saying the confiter, miserator, or the indulgentium for communion today.
00:09:40.640 I said, oh, Father, you mean just today?
00:09:43.680 he said oh no from now on why i said well how can that be he said well somebody figured out
00:09:50.680 that those prayers were needless repetition and uh and i said but uh father that mass has been
00:09:58.940 that way for centuries and he said i just do what they tell me and that was his his typical
00:10:05.860 way of just basically exonerating himself from his priestly duties. I'm sure he was
00:10:15.540 ordained long enough ago to have taken the oath against modernism. But one thing he did not know,
00:10:23.100 it was something that I knew. Three years before that encounter, I had the opportunity to listen
00:10:28.640 to a series of speeches on old reel-to-reel tape recorders,
00:10:33.920 people like William Strube and Frederick Schwartz
00:10:38.640 with the Christian anti-communist crusade,
00:10:40.580 and by the way, they were not even Catholic,
00:10:42.860 and also Myron C. Fagan with the Cinema Educational Guild.
00:10:47.180 Okay, and they were talking about infiltration
00:10:50.980 of the Christian churches in general,
00:10:54.940 but the Catholic Church in particular.
00:10:57.600 And with the idea of sending in enemy agents, at that time we called them communist agents,
00:11:03.500 but you could also switch out that name with the Masonic agents.
00:11:07.700 In any case, they said at the time that a priest would never become a communist,
00:11:12.460 but a communist agent would go through the rigors of priestly formation
00:11:18.060 and go through the motions of priestly ordination in order to carry out his mission
00:11:24.360 to undermine the church from within.
00:11:28.440 So when my pastor told me that this was happening,
00:11:34.220 you know, against all of the long history of the church,
00:11:38.800 I knew that this was not coming from the true church.
00:11:43.940 It had to have been from these infiltrators
00:11:46.000 because this was going on since the 30s.
00:11:48.980 I mean, Father John O'Connor, for instance,
00:11:51.240 was giving speeches about how they were infiltrating the church back in the 30s 0.98
00:11:55.540 and basically sending in practicing homosexuals, sodomites. 0.91
00:12:02.940 The idea was at that time, and I learned this from Vonda Kozlowski in Regina, Saskatchewan. 0.97
00:12:11.140 She was the founders of the Canadian Natural Law Society,
00:12:15.520 and she said that the idea was to sodomize in order to communize.
00:12:19.560 And once they bought into that kind of moral degradation, then they'd buy into anything.
00:12:27.600 I remember even having lunch with Bishop Rene Grissita down in Sinton, where he lived during his retirement after he was bishop of Corp. Christi. 0.58
00:12:40.420 He said that there were books they were publishing back then advocating that members of these monastic communities go and stay with each other in their rooms and snuggle in bed.
00:12:52.620 It's this kind of nonsense. 0.53
00:12:55.080 And, of course, he didn't know where this was coming from, but there was this massive effort to infiltrate the church from within.
00:13:00.900 And so as things went from bad to worse, I just I was I graduated from our parish school.
00:13:11.580 I went on to the Jesuit college preparatory and I was so turned off by the the whole atmosphere in that place.
00:13:21.760 I dropped out the first day. I begged my parents to send me to public school, which they did.
00:13:26.040 That story is not unfamiliar to us. I mean, most people have heard of Bella Dawn, because famously she came into the church under Fulton J. Sheen, and I think that's a very public testimony that's in most people's minds about infiltration, exactly as you said, into the church specifically in order to corrupt.
00:13:47.200 Pope Pius XI and his Divinity Redemptress, his encyclical on communism, he said at the time that they were infiltrating the Catholic Church's institutions.
00:14:04.780 And Bella Dodd, of course, went into great detail about that in her testimonies to Congress.
00:14:10.820 Now, you know, I was having a discussion with my bishop who had confirmed me in 1960.
00:14:17.200 I think our conversation was in 1973.
00:14:21.340 And I was asking him about this infiltration.
00:14:25.000 And he said, oh, he says, this was, well, maybe I won't give his name, but he says,
00:14:32.560 he said, we got this letter from the Vatican looking for communists under the bed.
00:14:38.280 I said, you mean Divinity Redemptress, 1937, Pope Pius XI?
00:14:45.820 Yes, that's right.
00:14:47.440 I said, oh, but Your Excellency, by that time, the communists were in the bed.
00:14:52.240 Oh, he did not like that comment at all.
00:14:55.040 So he does work.
00:14:55.660 We were up against our bishop, our clergy, few exceptions,
00:15:00.100 were completely clueless to what was going on.
00:15:02.520 And so by the time I was in my last semester at University of Houston at the College of Fine Arts, where I was learning to become an illustrator, I happened to go to a political conference in Dallas where I renewed acquaintances with Father Francis Fenton, who my dad and I had met in 1964 in Houston.
00:15:26.620 And he was in Dallas, and it was announced he was going to offer a mass in the hotel after the conference.
00:15:33.080 So I went to it.
00:15:34.180 Well, lo and behold, it was a traditional Latin mass, which I had not seen in 10 years.
00:15:40.220 And so, actually, you know what?
00:15:42.940 It was more than 10 years.
00:15:43.980 It was in 1972, September 23, 1972.
00:15:48.740 Father said that there are a number of theological questions about the new Mass, and that until those issues could be resolved, he and many other priests of his vintage were going to revert back to the Mass of their ordination.
00:16:07.160 And so that seemed to be a totally reasonable position, and I had great respect for Father Fenton due to all the many articles he had written about the corruption of our country.
00:16:18.740 going way way back i got a bunch of information from him and there were some catholics there
00:16:24.340 that were from houston and we had a little discussion and we decided we would meet
00:16:30.480 in houston and try to see what could be done to bring back the traditional mass
00:16:34.520 that was in september 1972 by 73 um we read a advertisement in the houston chronicle in the
00:16:44.860 Houston Post that we were going to schedule a mass at the Whitehall Hotel in downtown Houston,
00:16:51.080 a priest who was an associate of Father Fenton, a collaborator, Father Daniel Jones, came and he
00:16:58.520 offered that first mass for us, public mass. And of course, the diocese was feeling mad. They were
00:17:05.700 very upset about this. We tried to find some church where they would let us have at least
00:17:10.680 one latin mass on a sunday nothing doing nothing doing so um we brought father uh jones there and
00:17:18.900 then from him we met father joseph gedra and father joseph gedra had the um he had an organization of
00:17:28.140 about 240 retired pastors it was called the priest committee for the preservation of the
00:17:34.400 Tridentine Latin Mass. I was in contact with Father, and I agreed to host their third national
00:17:41.480 convention of their clergy in Houston at the Marriott Hotel, and NBC News came out and covered
00:17:48.180 it, as did Newsweek magazine. There were kind of prayers that came from all over the place,
00:17:54.520 and there was a woman, a very well-informed woman that I met who came there from Spain,
00:18:00.940 And she was the one who told me that it was Cardinal Seary who should have been elected, but his election was interfered with by a group of liberal cardinals.
00:18:13.160 That was all she knew.
00:18:15.280 And I had already been flew at the end of Cardinal Seary by my grandmother in 1957.
00:18:22.500 she and i think i've sent you a copy of this she said she gave me on the 27th of march
00:18:30.540 1957 she gave me a copy of the sunday pullout section from the houston post
00:18:36.660 the american weekly magazine and there was an article in there called the next pope by
00:18:42.900 jim bishop who was the author of the famous book of the day christ died
00:18:47.380 And he profiled Cardinal Siri and also Cardinal Spellman and also Cardinal Ruffini and basically gave every indication that Siri was the most likely cardinal to succeed Pope Pius XII should the Pope die.
00:19:06.280 And, of course, he did die a year later.
00:19:09.020 And, by the way, I've saved that magazine 69 years.
00:19:13.280 That was the beginning of my awareness about him.
00:19:17.380 And then in 74, that's when I found out at the convention that he should have been elected. And then in 87, when Louis Hubert Remy's blockbuster article showed up in my mailbox, the Pope, could he be Cardinal Siri? I found out on the 17th of December, 1987, that he actually was elected and then shoved aside.
00:19:41.280 That's a tough one because we can't know exactly what happens behind the closed door of the conclave. So that's going to be one of those points of contention to suggest it. But where are you getting this from? What do you think is for you the most solid piece of evidence that suggests that Syria was indeed elected?
00:19:59.720 In July 1993, I went to London, England, and I interviewed Fr. Jean-Marie Charouk, who was a veteran Vatican diplomat, and he's been interviewed by Inside the Vatican and other publications, a lot of secular newspapers, mostly in England, that have written articles about him.
00:20:23.740 Actually, he was offering the Latin Mass at St. Ethel Rita's Church in Ely Place near downtown London when I first caught up with him.
00:20:32.960 And we had a meeting afterwards.
00:20:37.400 He did not claim to have been inside the conclave.
00:20:44.040 Now, I don't know if he actually was or not, but he told me what happened with incredible detail, making me think maybe he was there.
00:20:52.340 I don't know, but I do know the absolute conviction in his voice when he told me what happened.
00:20:59.760 And he said, yes, Siri was elected on the fourth ballot, the 58th Conclave, and he accepted office.
00:21:12.280 He had to accept office, otherwise there would have been no white smoke, you see.
00:21:15.920 and it wasn't a little puff it belonged for five full minutes without interruption let me just
00:21:23.380 bring this in because it's a neat thing that you say there i've never heard of this before
00:21:29.040 but i have uh heard of malica martin malica martin is uh the former jesuit priest who um
00:21:37.260 booked recently came out about him about how he was actually made a cardinal in pictoria and
00:21:42.900 whatever, whatever. But in Keys of His Blood, his book, he actually relates something that sounds a
00:21:50.300 lot like what you just said. Watch this. This comes directly from Keys of His Blood. It is equally
00:21:55.300 certain that within the 1963 conclave voting, Siri had garnered the required number of votes to make
00:22:03.720 him Pope-elect. But the law of a conclave is ironed for any conclave election to end with a validly
00:22:09.860 elected pope the post must freely accept his election it is certain that pope elect cardinal
00:22:15.680 siri responded non excepto that's interesting because it also points to in siri as papabile
00:22:23.980 if you will even for 1958 when he was the election before he talks about a threat but we'll get to
00:22:30.780 that in a bit but i want to hear you out on this white smoke so you're saying there was white smoke
00:22:37.120 rather than the black smoke.
00:22:39.040 Yes, and I will continue with that,
00:22:41.420 but I also need to follow up with Malachi Martin
00:22:43.500 because I knew him personally.
00:22:45.760 So, Father Charu told me that
00:22:50.840 as soon as the acceptance was pronounced by Siri,
00:22:58.200 well, then the conclave ministers began to gather up the ballots
00:23:03.000 and they started burning them with dry straw.
00:23:05.620 and that was sending up white smoke and this went on for several minutes five minutes okay
00:23:14.000 now as far as everybody knew we had a new pope both inside and outside because the people
00:23:21.020 were or were cheering you know they saw the white smoke said bianca bianca
00:23:26.360 Vive el Papa. And even conclave ministers were seen waving handkerchiefs from the
00:23:34.600 windows of the apostolic palace. And these are the guys outside the conclave, but up there and
00:23:41.380 basically doing official business, but right outside the locked doors.
00:23:46.180 They are the assistants that were allowed to come in with the cardinals. Each could bring
00:23:51.700 two assistants. Whether or not they're actually locked out, that's kind of a gray area. But
00:23:56.300 In any case, they gave every indication of knowing that the conclave was finished, was
00:24:01.260 over.
00:24:02.300 And this was in the Associated Press, you know, it was on the front page of the Houston
00:24:05.360 Post.
00:24:06.000 Let's look at some of those because this is interesting.
00:24:08.020 In fact, there were reports of this in the media all over the place.
00:24:15.320 Here's one reference that we'll just throw up on the screen here.
00:24:19.740 Let's go to Newport Daily News.
00:24:21.600 Dated October 27, 1958, cardinals cast eight ballots without choosing a pope.
00:24:27.760 And it's an AP story.
00:24:30.320 And what's interesting about it comes really near the end.
00:24:34.000 It says a throng of nearly 200,000 in the square awaited the second signal at nightfall.
00:24:41.560 This time, white smoke rolled out from the chimney for fully five minutes.
00:24:46.420 A pope is elected, declared Vatican Radio.
00:24:50.380 news agencies sent the word around the world the crowd cheered and waved handkerchiefs
00:24:57.080 even vatican officials were fooled so those are the i guess the officials you were talking about
00:25:04.080 then it says the pallet palatine guard was called from its barracks to proceed to saint
00:25:11.440 peter's basilica for the formal announcement of the new pontiff's name then uncertainty set in
00:25:18.720 the guards were sent back to their barracks within 20 minutes uh when 20 minutes had passed
00:25:25.040 without a new pope appearing on the balcony the doubt spread rapidly finally the crowd began to
00:25:31.920 disperse there was confusion in the palace until assurances finally were received from within
00:25:37.520 the conclave that black smoke was intended there was no official explanation of the mix-up another
00:25:45.960 report very similar this one from the daily gleaner it's entitled new pope false signals
00:25:54.320 radio tells of election bells sounded in error talks about how the announcement came that after
00:26:01.600 two morning ballots when the initial signal was white vatican radio announced uh announcer
00:26:08.420 declared it's white it's white it is the most extraordinary thing the new pontiff has been
00:26:14.580 elected on the first ballot i mean your accounts check out uh from newspapers around the world
00:26:21.080 um so there's this huge anomaly they say uh with regard to white smoke uh which even in our
00:26:29.020 lifetimes we're used to um seeing the white and black smoke from the chimney of the sistine chapel
00:26:34.880 so that's certainly interesting so your story checks out so far at some point and this is
00:26:42.200 probably after the cardinals are starting to line up
00:26:45.740 to pay their first obeyances to the new pope,
00:26:49.980 a threat was brought to bear.
00:26:52.280 Now, there are different theories about how that got into the conclave.
00:26:56.700 I've heard a story that it was put on a turnstile from the conclave kitchen
00:27:01.740 where plates of food are normally passed in to the cardinals.
00:27:06.440 In this case, they said that a note was put there
00:27:09.880 and was addressed to Cardinal Seri and was handed down until it was placed in his hands.
00:27:19.480 There's another possibility, as raised by author Lawrence Erickson in his book Vatican Coup,
00:27:28.100 that the threat was actually brought into the conclave by Cardinal Spellman.
00:27:32.460 And there's a very good chance that that could have been because he had been a lifelong messenger for the U.S. State Department going back to World War II when he was sent by Roosevelt to General Franco of Spain, basically telling him not to align with Germany.
00:27:53.720 Otherwise, Spain could become a target of U.S. bombers, and he was sent by the Eisenhower administration down to Guatemala to write a letter to all of the clergy and bishops down there, which ended up resulting in things being read from the pulpits of every church down there trying to associate the president, Jacobo Arbenz, with communism, and he was no communist at all.
00:28:22.260 He was simply trying to provide until land to to homeless farmers.
00:28:29.600 And by doing that, he he created a great increase in prosperity and increased, I should say, improvement in the standard of living for average Guatemalans.
00:28:40.620 It just so happens that this was land that had been seized by United Fruit Company through a sweet ordeal with the previous corrupt leadership of Guatemala, and they got it for pennies on the peso.
00:28:57.360 And so the U.S. government did not like that being taken away from United Fruit Company because John Foster Dulles, Secretary of State, and Alan Dulles, CIA director, were heavy investors in United Fruit Company.
00:29:12.860 So anyway, Spellman was used to bring about that coup d'etat.
00:29:17.440 It is alleged by this fellow Erickson in the Vatican coup, just came out this year, that Spellman was the, I guess, the messenger that brought about the overthrow of Syria.
00:29:29.800 And he's put in his appendix in the book, the article by Louis Remy that came out in 86, the Pope, could he be Cardinal Syria?
00:29:40.740 But back to the story, Father Chauru told me that after the Pope was in the process of being overthrown, and by the way, once a Pope, once he accepts, well, that's the end of the conclave.
00:29:58.500 Okay, so what this was was an attempted coup against an already elected Pope, but whose identity was not yet known to the outside world.
00:30:07.880 Father Charu said that these liberal cardinals came in and ordered the ministers to change the solution from dry straw to wet straw, and they wouldn't do it.
00:30:19.240 So then these cardinals did it themselves.
00:30:23.440 So they had a momentary puff of black smoke, but then the ministers came and gained back control of the stove, and they put more dry straw there.
00:30:33.260 And so then it would go white again.
00:30:36.340 well this went on in what father charu said was a shoving match that basically ended up being a
00:30:44.040 fistfight and this is this explains why you had after the five minutes of white smoke then you
00:30:50.800 had this variation in the color from white to black white to black in you know every color in
00:30:57.080 between and so now there's something very crucial i have to point out here
00:31:02.340 if they were trying to stop this from happening how does siri get elected in the first place
00:31:11.160 because you see he was not inclined to accept unless he had a unanimous or near unanimous
00:31:18.260 election this was well known well it turns out the freemasons in the conclave also voted for him
00:31:27.820 They wanted him elected. And why would they want to do that? Because they wanted to overthrow him beyond the vantage point of the outside Catholic world and put in a replacement.
00:31:46.240 this would be an open violation of canon 2390 that if somebody's elected lawfully and then they
00:31:55.460 accept and then threats are brought to bear where he's shoved aside then another candidate is brought
00:32:01.800 in as a replacement if they hold the second election it's necessarily invalid they did this
00:32:08.140 on purpose to invalidate the election of run calling so they could be presented to the world
00:32:14.860 as a true pope, but in reality he would be an anti-pope not inspired by the Holy Ghost
00:32:22.100 and not protected against issuing erroneous teaching officially,
00:32:28.080 either in his own right as a pope, issuing encyclicals such as Pacimentaris,
00:32:34.380 which was heretical, or ratifying the decrees of a general council.
00:32:40.040 They did the exact same thing again to Siri in 1963.
00:32:44.860 And according to Malik King Martin, twice in 78, four times.
00:32:49.800 They used that man as a stalking horse to vitiate the end result of the conclave.
00:33:00.480 They elected him, they got his acceptance, and then he shoved aside by threats each time.
00:33:06.220 And, of course, you can read the newspaper articles even as late as October 1978, where they were run articles like, Time Could Be Right for Vatican's Eternal Second Runner.
00:33:22.300 This was in the Houston Post.
00:33:27.360 And Momentum Gaining for General Archbishop, that was an article by Andrew Greeley in the Houston Chronicle.
00:33:34.220 And they must have made him think, oh, now's my chance.
00:33:38.260 Now's my time.
00:33:39.480 And he would accept each time and then he would be, he'd be cast aside each time.
00:33:44.760 That would mean, would it not, that all the cardinals had to be silent about this massive scandal.
00:33:54.780 I'll tell you, tell you how they did it.
00:33:57.560 And this was something Father Charu told, not me, but one of my fellow researchers, Father John Lundberg.
00:34:04.220 two years later. He said that they'd hit a deadlock because nobody wanted to be elected
00:34:11.140 because they knew they'd be an invalid pope, be an anti-pope. What are we going to do?
00:34:16.520 So after three days, finally, Ron Colley said, well, look, you know, I'm an old man and I'm not
00:34:21.600 going to be around that much longer. You know, you could put me on the throne and we could call
00:34:28.820 like a roman senate and if the bishops and and you know come together with the cardinals and
00:34:35.040 well and recognize me as pope well that they could basically regularize me and you see some
00:34:42.480 theories like this and some of the um canonical treatises by uh for instance uh father uh sigismon
00:34:52.740 muscavich in his uh landmark book uh supply jurisdiction according to canon 209 on page 26
00:35:00.760 he says um if a pope were to be invalidly elected once he is accepted by the catholic world all his
00:35:08.880 jurisdictional acts become valid now he didn't say that the pope would become valid but that his
00:35:14.580 acts would become valid and so some by some tortured theory they finally decided to go with
00:35:22.380 this this this half-baked plan and siri himself said later you get all those old cardinals locked
00:35:28.040 up in the heat of rome in one room uh and he says and they'll put anybody on the throne just to get
00:35:32.980 out now if you recall uh john henry when there was a lot of questions being raised by different
00:35:42.480 sources, including LiveSite News, about Bergoglio's lawful claim to the papacy. Athanasius Schneider
00:35:50.340 of Kazakhstan, he said, oh, well, you know, as long as the bishops recognize him, he's a real
00:35:54.800 pope. Okay. Now, do you remember what Archbishop Vigano said after that? He said, no, that's not
00:36:02.360 right. It does not conform to the history of the church. He says everybody thought that Clement
00:36:07.460 the seventh was the Pope, but he turned out to have been any Pope. He said all the people of
00:36:14.260 Rome, they thought that he was the Pope. Matter of fact, you could say the same thing of Anticletus
00:36:19.360 II. The entire Roman populace thought he was the real Pope, but later there was a trial at the
00:36:26.760 Second Lateran Council, and Saint Bernard of Clairvaux was there. He was an expert witness.
00:36:34.520 He says, no, this was not a true pope because someone else was elected earlier in time.
00:36:44.240 So it was with Clement VII.
00:36:47.140 Someone else, Pope Irvin, was elected earlier in time.
00:36:51.380 And that was the decision that was arrived at at the Council of Constance.
00:36:56.320 39 years later, so it will be.
00:36:59.080 when we finally have access to Vatican records, that none of these conciliar popes were true popes
00:37:05.540 because somebody else was elected earlier in time, Cardinal Ciri.
00:37:10.480 Now, there are people that want to say, oh, what are you talking about, Cardinal Ciri?
00:37:14.840 I mean, he just went along with everything, and he recognized everybody from John XXIII to Paul VI to JP1, JP2.
00:37:23.940 What are you talking about?
00:37:25.160 Well, that's really kind of a side issue.
00:37:28.020 What is important to understand is that he was used in order to officiate those elections and to produce four anti-popes in a row.
00:37:40.460 Now, whether or not, by his acquiescence, he lost the office, I don't know.
00:37:45.900 I'm going to leave that up to an ecclesiastical court to decide.
00:37:50.560 That's beyond my pay grade.
00:37:52.560 But I think that we can show that the very fact that this was done to him, and even Malky Morton admitted this in this series of interviews with Bernard Janssen, that he was elected four times.
00:38:12.800 So I remember having sent this information to Bishop Alfred Mendes, who used to be at Notre Dame University, and later he was made bishop of the newly created Diocese of Arecibo, Puerto Rico.
00:38:30.160 He was very proud of himself that he had gotten hepatitis and didn't sign the final decrees at the council because he wasn't there.
00:38:37.260 I sent him this information what little I had back in 1987 he said that's it that's got to be
00:38:45.960 the solution nothing else makes sense so um he asked me to go and see Malachi Moore and he gave
00:38:53.720 me his phone number so I I couldn't get up there until uh March um was it was the week of uh March
00:39:04.000 21st, 1988. I spent several days with him. And he was trying to check me out as much as I were
00:39:13.820 trying to get information from him. He wanted to find out, who are you working with? Who's paying
00:39:19.300 for this? Who's involved with you? Can you imagine his frustration? Some guy with a Texas
00:39:27.180 his accent showed up at his door he's thinking what so but anyway we had a number of discussions
00:39:34.480 and he wanted to tell me well you know yeah there was a threat against siri but you know he didn't
00:39:38.700 accept so therefore he wasn't a pope and and and then he's talking about 63 three conclave and then
00:39:44.660 he went on and elected uh martini i said well foe you know i'm not a candid lawyer but that doesn't
00:39:51.640 make any sense to me that you can have somebody elected whether i accept it or not you is forced
00:39:56.880 to get him to step aside and then proceed to elect somebody else i don't see how that could be valid
00:40:01.560 and and so he was he was getting very impatient with me and i wasn't swallowing the line i didn't
00:40:08.840 see him for like 24 hours and i came back and i said you know that father i was staying with some
00:40:14.160 friends in new rochelle i stayed up all night i was wondering why did those liberal cardinals
00:40:19.640 vote for siri in the first place then i said it finally dawned on me of course they voted for him
00:40:26.360 they wanted him to be elected and accept office so after that no valid pope could be elected as
00:40:33.500 long as he lived and at john henry he looked at me with utter astonishment and he was white as a
00:40:41.920 ghost and he said oh i see what you mean and he quickly changed the subject he was arranging for
00:40:50.160 me to have a taxi to go see Conchita Gonzalez of the Garabandol apparitions. She lived at that time
00:40:56.680 in Queens, New York. He knew I was interested in that, so he wanted to get me off that subject
00:41:02.020 quickly. I have written detailed accounts of those meetings. Tucker Carlson invited you on his show.
00:41:09.380 How in the world did that come about? Let's just say that I know somebody who knows Tucker.
00:41:14.860 this person said to me uh you need to go on tucker carlson i said what tucker carlson doesn't know me
00:41:22.700 from the man of the moon he said no i i can get you on there i said well i'll tell you what
00:41:28.020 if you can open the door i'll walk in he said well look he knows the vatican is under enemy
00:41:34.620 occupation and he's really interested in this subject so i said okay and for me just to get on
00:41:41.440 your show, John Henry. This is a huge breakthrough. I'm extremely grateful to you. I even asked the
00:41:47.740 same question, how in the world did I get on your show? Because I've been flying under the radar for
00:41:54.060 many, many years. There is also this USA connection. So we knew that with regard to
00:42:03.000 things that Pope Benedict XVI was doing, the U.S. was frustrated with some of the things he was
00:42:11.240 doing. And they made that known. We had the Catholic Spring emails under Hillary Clinton
00:42:18.340 that were leaked, the Podesta emails. And they're talking already about the need for a Catholic 0.86
00:42:24.140 Spring, a different thing going on in Rome. We've seen the U.S. do sort of these operations where
00:42:31.480 they take out heads of state. At the time of Benedict, a lot of people thought, hmm,
00:42:37.260 um what's he stepping down for he's still in good health i mean the guy lives a decade and he can
00:42:44.300 still function um well uh it despite his resignation so there was all this stuff at the
00:42:52.120 time people thought something's going on and it has to do with the u.s and there was a lot of
00:42:56.540 suspicion you're saying something very similar with regard to cardinal siri what what's that
00:43:04.380 and how does that play out? Economist Jeffrey Sachs says that the United States government has
00:43:09.280 carried out 100 regime change operations since World War II. And like we were talking before
00:43:19.540 about Guatemala, and before that was Iran when they overthrew Mohammed Mossadegh so they could
00:43:27.100 get control over Iranian oil. In Guatemala, when they overthrew Jacobo Arbenz, it was to get
00:43:32.300 control of bananas. So four years after that, they wanted to have regime change in the Vatican
00:43:42.660 so that they could control the way about 500 million people think. And that is a very,
00:43:50.500 very powerful motivation for regime change. It has many of the earmarks of a typical
00:43:57.760 coup d'etat that the government our government has carried out in countries all over the world
00:44:05.080 although we don't use that term too much anymore because very few people are familiar with that
00:44:09.760 french term means overthrow of the state uh so in fact i was going to have that as a subtitle to my
00:44:16.980 book the the plot against the pope coup d'etat in the conclave 1958 well i've changed that now
00:44:23.440 Now it says, The Plot Against the Pope, Regime Change in the Vatican, 1958, because people
00:44:29.300 understand what a regime change is.
00:44:31.400 The threat, I believe, was something that Malachi Morton hinted at in his book, Keys
00:44:39.220 of This Blood.
00:44:40.820 He said that the nature of the threat may well have been something that would threaten
00:44:48.800 the very existence of the Vatican City State, its members, and dependents.
00:44:54.700 Let me just read that.
00:44:56.140 I mean, I've got the clip here because I was going to raise this with you earlier.
00:44:59.540 This is from Alec Martin directly, Keys of His Blood.
00:45:02.420 Without any means of establishing it by notarized statements and duly sworn in eyewitnesses,
00:45:08.720 the rest of the world is still left with the information that the Syrian nomination and
00:45:13.820 election were set aside by what has been called the little brutality, he says in quotes. What is
00:45:20.900 firmly stated is that at least one cardinal elector did have a conversation, however short,
00:45:28.860 with someone not participating in the conclave, that the someone was an emissary of an internationally
00:45:36.520 based organization, that no explicit rule of the conclave privacy was violated by the event,
00:45:42.760 and that the conversation did concern the siri candidacy such an incident during the conclave
00:45:50.720 could with a certain permissible stretching of the terms of conclave law be justified as concerning
00:45:57.660 a quote grave matter of state security end quote what is certain is that the siri candidacy was
00:46:05.340 laid aside and most probably in connection with that conversation this in sum is the
00:46:11.640 little brutality firmly rumored in roman circles at the time of the june 63 conclave and ever since
00:46:19.940 so he's referring there to uh the 1963 conclave but nonetheless you get your left distinctly
00:46:27.300 with the impression that it is a state government in terms of that saying it's most likely the
00:46:31.940 United States, that is, or regards Siri as somehow a threat or inopportune or whatever.
00:46:41.360 But it's interesting because that's corroborated by Maliki Martin as well.
00:46:45.620 In 2015, I was asked to write this article, Grave Reasons of State, quoting Maliki Martin,
00:46:55.640 about the evidence of a threat, of an H-bomb on the Vatican.
00:47:00.340 Of an H-bomb?
00:47:01.940 A hydrogen bomb?
00:47:03.260 Hydrogen bomb, yeah, because by 1958, they only dropped eight bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs.
00:47:10.600 But by 1958, the entire U.S. arsenal had gone over to hydrogen bombs.
00:47:15.660 Anyway, so this is an interesting chart.
00:47:19.000 It shows the level of nuclear explosions, tests, that were being done just prior to the conclave.
00:47:33.000 As a matter of fact, there was an unprecedented number of nuclear tests that were done starting, I think, in May of 1957,
00:47:41.480 right up until the day of the
00:47:43.760 conclave. Larger and larger
00:47:45.560 nuclear
00:47:47.600 weapons by both the Soviets and the
00:47:49.720 U.S., I might add. This
00:47:51.600 went right on until
00:47:53.200 the very conclusion
00:47:55.600 of the conclave. This is something kind of
00:47:57.600 interesting that an airline pilot
00:47:59.600 got for me during a layover in
00:48:01.660 Las Vegas.
00:48:03.340 This is kind of hard to read,
00:48:05.780 but I have a number
00:48:07.760 of articles from the Las Vegas
00:48:09.540 Review-Journal.
00:48:11.480 talking about nuclear weapons testing that was going on at the nevada test site and on the same
00:48:18.600 front page headline they'll say um this one says pulpit 12 buried today with catholic pomp and
00:48:26.200 ceremonial rites and then here's another another one this showing uh this is showing a mushroom
00:48:32.940 cloud it says uh nuclear loss destroys tower in fourth full scale uh uh test today and then
00:48:41.280 Right next to it, Pope Pius XII returns to Eternal City for services, meaning the deceased pope.
00:48:48.340 Then here's another one.
00:48:50.320 Third atomic bomb set within 10 hours to fire this morning.
00:48:55.040 And then down here it says, Cardinals may pick pope, sir.
00:48:59.640 I mean, there must be seven or eight of these.
00:49:02.680 It says, Atomic Energy Commission expands a test to 18, and then Italian Pope election is certainty.
00:49:15.800 I mean, it's just one after another, all appearing on the front page of the same newspaper
00:49:23.860 and showing that these two things were going on at the same time.
00:49:27.960 So is that a coincidence?
00:49:30.880 I don't think so.
00:49:31.780 I don't believe. I don't think so.
00:49:34.120 You think that what the U.S. was showing its capability and therefore somehow threatening the Cardinal Syria, the Vatican?
00:49:46.080 Well, I tell you what, all we had to do is go back 14 years before that conflict.
00:49:50.960 What happened?
00:49:51.320 The United States dropped something like 9,000 bombs on Rome itself.
00:50:01.780 All across Italy, they killed something like 60,000 people.
00:50:06.800 They bombed the Pope's summer residence at Castle Gandolfo,
00:50:10.560 which was extraterritorial property of the Vatican City.
00:50:16.600 It was not part of Italy.
00:50:18.340 So, I mean, the U.S. and the Allies were supposedly not at war with the church,
00:50:22.300 but they blew that up, too, and they killed about 700 people,
00:50:26.920 most of whom were children, refugees that had been brought there for their safety.
00:50:35.240 And the U.S. had this lame excuse,
00:50:39.380 oh, well, we had the information that the Vatican was hiding German officers there, okay?
00:50:47.240 At the same time, the Vatican was hiding Jews in the Vatican from the German officers.
00:50:53.200 I mean, this is really nuts.
00:50:55.820 This is really not, and that was obviously, they were sending them a message.
00:51:00.240 And I don't think most Catholics, most American Catholics realize that their government
00:51:05.260 banned Rome with 9,000 ordinances, bombs.
00:51:10.280 You know, it's just unbelievable.
00:51:12.040 They don't even know the role that we play.
00:51:14.680 For instance, the annihilation of Monte Cassino, which was 80 miles south of Rome,
00:51:19.480 had been i think it was built or at least the construction started in i think 529 by saint
00:51:26.600 benedict and uh general mark clark told told the allies do not touch the monastery because
00:51:34.900 there's not any germans inside because nobody in his right mind would get in a big structure like
00:51:39.820 that with big stone beams coming down and crushing them but he said if you do bomb that and you 1.00
00:51:46.140 reduce that hilltop to rubble, that'll be a perfect place for the Germans to set up their
00:51:50.860 gun emplacements. So don't do it. And guess what? They did it. It was General Freiburg, New Zealand
00:51:59.120 General, Air Force General Freiburg, who somehow overrid General Mark Clark. And so it was reduced
00:52:06.160 to trouble. So I don't think American Catholics realize that, you know, I was interviewing a 1.00
00:52:13.880 Bishop Wilhelm from Belleville, Ontario.
00:52:17.680 It was about 32 years ago.
00:52:21.240 There's a lot of interesting people
00:52:22.440 that can't, John Henry.
00:52:24.940 Anyway, he was telling me
00:52:27.160 that he was a chaplain during World War II.
00:52:31.180 And he had the opportunity to meet
00:52:34.080 Field Marshal Montgomery.
00:52:36.660 And Montgomery just blurted out,
00:52:38.180 he says, well, this was during
00:52:39.860 the Italian campaign. 0.99
00:52:40.880 He says, we're going to kill 0.97
00:52:42.360 uh all uh what does he said uh many many how many italians were living there uh 40 million 1.00
00:52:50.560 he is some he is some kind of a um ethnic pejorative we're gonna we're gonna kill all of 0.99
00:52:57.280 them and then as a prelude to killing another 150 million in continental europe and bishop 0.99
00:53:04.260 william wasn't a bishop at that time he was a lonely chaplain he said well uh sir field marshal
00:53:10.220 So, Montgomery, I don't think that killing civilians is the actual stated purpose of this war.
00:53:16.540 But that was really, that's really what they had in mind.
00:53:19.380 And I think when you consider the firebombing of Dresden, the incendiary bombing of Osaka in Japan. 0.76
00:53:27.900 I mean, we killed hundreds of thousands of people that had nothing to do with that war. 0.70
00:53:31.920 And then finally, the A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which was where the Catholics were concentrated in Japan.
00:53:39.240 there there is a definite pattern that comes out in the u.s uh an allied conduct of that war
00:53:46.680 and while yes they might have been sending the soviets a message i think actually they were
00:53:53.440 sending the the vatican a message this is what we're able to do this is what we're willing to do
00:53:58.820 you say you have some evidence um of something of this nature um and it is this um telegram
00:54:08.040 Tell us about that.
00:54:09.000 We're going to put it up on the screen here.
00:54:10.640 What are we looking at?
00:54:11.640 So we're looking at the telegram sent by the U.S. ambassador to Italy, James Zellerbach, was sent on the 11th of October, 1958, two days after Popeye's 12 died, to U.S. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles.
00:54:28.240 And in this telegram, he says he's passing on a request from a source inside the conclave, which I believe is, I think is Cardinal Tisserand.
00:54:43.020 And he says that Siri, Ruffini, and Ottaviani have an unrealistic approach to the great problems facing the world today, in that the U.S. would do well to use its exercise on the American cardinals, basically to prevent the election of any of those three.
00:55:04.600 Well, it wasn't about those three cardinals that was unrealistic, several things, but one of those was the fact that none of those cardinals were going to change the policy of Pius XII in refusing to recognize the Zionist occupation state or colony, I should say, in Palestine.
00:55:32.700 They, Paisa XII never referred to it as Israel.
00:55:36.480 He always referred to it as Palestine.
00:55:38.840 And these three cardinals were known to be committed to following that policy.
00:55:44.680 And you see, they have big plans. 0.60
00:55:47.660 People that run this country, people that run the Zionist Project, they are joined at the hip.
00:55:53.380 And the big plan, and it's been for 100 years I've been working on this, is to rebuild that temple in Jerusalem. 0.86
00:56:00.980 that is the plan and what and for what reason well first of all to reintroduce animal sacrifices
00:56:08.760 which is an affront to god because our lord's death on the cross ended for all time animal
00:56:14.100 sacrifices they have been trying forever to reverse though the new testament the new covenant's
00:56:21.180 replacement of the old cup they even now several of these conciliar popes have said i think uh
00:56:27.540 Waitiba, Ratzinger, and Bergoglio, they all said that God's covenant with the Jewish people
00:56:33.600 has never been terminated, and it's still in effect.
00:56:36.900 Well, that's a blatant lie.
00:56:38.100 They terminated themselves in Matthew 27, 25, may as both be upon us and on our children.
00:56:47.580 And John 19, 15, we have no king but Caesar. 0.53
00:56:51.260 The New Covenant, which is its most important manifestation is the Holy Sacrifice of Emmaus, had to be suppressed, had to be removed, had to disappear to pave the way for the return of the Old Covenant.
00:57:08.480 And this is what the U.S. is working on, and I dare say this is what the present Vatican leadership is working on as well.
00:57:16.380 And you can look at it, for instance.
00:57:18.700 Just look at then-Cardinal Ratzinger's commentary in the Pontifical Biblical Commission's publication 25 years ago.
00:57:33.600 The Hebrew people and their sacred scriptures in the Christian Bible, of which he was the president of that Vatican office.
00:57:41.700 office in the in the prelude which he wrote himself to that 210 page report he actually
00:57:50.780 predicts with with with great um enthusiasm the one he says the one who is to come
00:58:00.600 and he puts he puts a one capitalized as if to to suggest divinity and he said the one who is
00:58:09.860 to come will not be Jesus, but will have the same traits as the Jesus who has already come
00:58:17.120 and lived amongst us. I mean, this is blasphemy. Was he referring to Antichrist? You call it what
00:58:24.140 you want. I would say, at the very least, a political Antichrist. How could a Vatican
00:58:29.000 official, he wasn't yet Pope yet, how could a Vatican official talk with such glee and enthusiasm?
00:58:36.060 Oh, was it enthusiasm? I didn't get that, that it was enthusiasm. I thought it was just a statement.
00:58:41.660 He says that really we should accept the Jewish interpretation of the prophecies regarding the coming Messiah, Redeemer, and Savior of mankind as a possible interpretation and not insist upon our Christian or our Catholic interpretation of those prophecies.
00:59:01.160 Where is that? Give me that reference again, if you would.
00:59:03.520 theplotagainstthepope.com
00:59:06.380 or it's also sirithesis.com
00:59:09.140 you will find a link in there
00:59:11.460 where you can go and get that document
00:59:14.160 which is taken right off the Vatican website
00:59:16.000 but I have highlighted in yellow
00:59:18.500 the key passages
00:59:19.900 so you don't have to go hunt for them
00:59:22.280 through 210 pages
00:59:24.260 you will see it
00:59:25.200 and John Henry it will blow you away
00:59:26.940 how could they promote this idea
00:59:29.240 what is the purpose 0.93
00:59:31.540 other than to Judaize 0.87
00:59:33.120 the Catholic world, like the Protestants have been with their Christian Zionism. 0.99
00:59:38.040 Certainly interesting. I'll have to look into that. But let's get back to this document here 0.92
00:59:42.760 that you were telling us about, about the Zellerbeck document. What is its significance,
00:59:48.520 and what does it mean? Well, what's interesting is that, I think what's significant is that
00:59:54.520 the U.S. government official actually expresses an interest in preventing the election of one of
01:00:01.100 those three cardinals. This is indicative of direct U.S. interference, or at least
01:00:08.600 a desired interference. They say that they might be able to do this by exercising discreetly their
01:00:17.280 own influence on certain American cardinals. Well, there were only two cardinals that actually
01:00:23.420 got into the conclave. One of them, who was considered a conservative, Cardinal Mooney,
01:00:28.000 dropped dead at the American College uh well I didn't drop dead but he he got very sick right
01:00:34.640 after he ate lunch and went and reclined on on on the bed and he was dead within about two hours
01:00:41.560 and so that was just as the Cardinals were were lining up to march into the conclave
01:00:47.980 which began in earnest the next day on 26 October that's when the voting starts
01:00:53.100 So that leaves Spellman and McIntyre.
01:00:57.620 McIntyre was a former stock trader on Wall Street,
01:01:01.500 later became a Catholic and priest, bishop, cardinal.
01:01:05.820 Spellman had a long history, as I said earlier,
01:01:08.260 of doing the bidding of the U.S. State Department.
01:01:11.720 And he had a, I believe this is correct,
01:01:17.540 a visitor from the CIA before he went to that conclave.
01:01:21.580 Was he given a message?
01:01:23.540 Was he the one, as Lawrence Erickson suggests,
01:01:26.720 who handed the threatening note to Siri?
01:01:29.300 I don't know.
01:01:30.540 Don't know.
01:01:31.760 But I do believe that that's what they're talking about.
01:01:34.920 John Foster Dulles and John McCabe,
01:01:38.140 who was head of the Atomic Energy Commission,
01:01:41.460 had a meeting with Spellman and McIntyre,
01:01:46.160 and I guess Mooney also,
01:01:47.900 on the day of Popeye's 12th's funeral.
01:01:50.980 They had been at a disarmament conference in Geneva, Switzerland, and they left to go to Rome for the Pope's funeral and afterwards to talk to the Cardinals.
01:02:02.240 What did they tell them?
01:02:03.780 What message did they give Spellman, if any, or McIntyre, but probably Spellman, to pass on to the newly elected Pope, if it's somebody that the U.S. government didn't want to be Pope?
01:02:18.480 Now, here's another thing, too.
01:02:19.680 This was reported in the foreign policy website Veterans Today.
01:02:28.040 It turns out that, according to journalist Claudio Arresta,
01:02:33.740 Siri had been conducting his own negotiations with the USSR
01:02:40.380 through the local Genoan Soviet consulate office.
01:02:47.060 um it seems that siri did a big favor for the uh the consulate general there his son needed a
01:02:55.900 medical treatment wasn't available in russia so siri was made made it possible for him to get
01:03:02.160 treated in italy and apparently the boy was cured anyway um so this primland found out about this
01:03:10.060 and they knew that siri is anti-communist but they thought well at least he's a decent person
01:03:14.520 an honest broker. Maybe we could communicate with him because he's known to be pretty close
01:03:20.000 to Popeyes XII. And Claudio Resta talks about this in some detail. Well, you can be sure that
01:03:27.280 the U.S. government would have known this, that they would not have liked for the Vatican to have
01:03:32.840 its own separate diplomatic channel right into the Kremlin. If they had some kind of
01:03:37.780 rapprochement and in the process that the cold war was revealed to be unnecessary and i believe me 0.95
01:03:48.800 i have no delusions about how evil the soviets were they wanted to drop out of the the uh arms
01:03:55.660 race because it was bankrupting them and and uh and so they saw this as a as a possible opening 0.60
01:04:04.300 And Sirius saw it as a possible way addressing the well-being of Catholics trapped behind the Ark hurt.
01:04:11.900 He wanted better treatment for those people.
01:04:14.260 So they both went into those negotiations, which he was conducting on his own without any kind of Vatican oversight for his own agenda.
01:04:23.400 And later, according to Arresta, he made this known to Pope Pius XII.
01:04:28.680 And the Pope wanted him to leave, gentlemen, come to the Vatican and take charge of this diplomatic outreach between the Vatican and the Kremlin.
01:04:41.560 Here's a point that people don't realize.
01:04:45.100 The Cold War was actually a colossal fraud.
01:04:51.060 We had to have a bogeyman. 0.52
01:04:52.940 So in order to do that, we had to make sure that Soviet Russia, which was devastated by World War II, had an arms buildup, which they couldn't really accomplish on their own at that time.
01:05:08.760 And so there are a number of books by Anthony Sutton. For instance, The Best Enemy Money Can Buy and National Suicide. There's other books on my bookshelf back here that he wrote about the massive technological transfer from the United States to Russia, which enabled them to be a formidable adversary to the United States.
01:05:35.320 Now, what would they do there? Well, they had to justify massive arms expenditures in this country, and this was making a handful of people enormously wealthy and powerful.
01:05:46.340 And so the idea that a man who was maybe just a few part beats away from the papacy could possibly open up a new dialogue with the Soviets and bring the level of tension down several notches, putting pressure on the U.S. to back off from the arms buildup, that just wasn't acceptable.
01:06:16.340 Here's a criticism that even for postulating things with regard to Francis Leo, you get this question, well, then what can be done? What can be done? We have no pope. And how can you ever have a pope again? What's what's supposed to happen? The church is just supposed to have no pope forever.
01:06:35.940 These prophecies date back about 200 years.
01:06:39.960 There was a little book that came out 56 years ago,
01:06:43.800 Catholic Prophecy by Yves DuPont.
01:06:45.760 He couldn't have possibly foreseen what's going on now.
01:06:49.360 And yet, on a few of his interpretations, he had a bullseye.
01:06:53.180 A lot of things he was way off, but some things he was right on the money. 0.97
01:06:56.340 Something is going to trigger a massive Muslim uprising. 0.99
01:07:02.740 And here's what I think it's going to be. 0.64
01:07:04.860 I think that Donald Trump is under such total control of the Zionist forces that seeing that they cannot possibly win in a conventional war against Iran, I believe he's going to drop a tactical nuclear weapon on Tehran with the potential of killing 16 million people. 0.71
01:07:27.800 If he does that, I think there's going to be an uprising in Europe, just as the prophecies of the saints have told us. 0.74
01:07:36.960 And I think that that will result in the overthrow of many governments, the overthrow of the existing political order in Europe, which is corrupt to the hilt.
01:07:48.760 And I don't think the Vatican is going to be spared. 0.95
01:07:51.380 And I think that this anti-church, which Anna Catherine Emmerich said that the faithful should pray unceasingly will leave Rome, I think it'll be driven out by this Muslim uprising. 0.99
01:08:08.980 And because I think they will flee like the hirelings that they are. 0.62
01:08:12.560 Obviously, you think that is imminent. Talker's talking about that. He's talking about Trump's use of nuclear arms, and he's been warning for a long time. This warning about Iran has been around for a long, long time, actually.
01:08:29.380 But here's the other part of the story. St. Robert Bellarmine says that you have several levels of backup electors for the pope. And first in line are the senior clergy of the local church of Rome.
01:08:48.760 Some of those are so old that they have priestly mission dating back to Pope Pius XII.
01:08:56.540 If they were to elect a pope from among one of those clergy, of course, he'd have to be consecrated.
01:09:05.140 I believe that they'd have to engage the services of one of the nearby Eastern Rite bishops who comes from a church where they haven't destroyed their Episcopal orders or their priestly orders.
01:09:18.760 as Paul VI did to us in the Roman Rite.
01:09:23.240 And now that is a human solution.
01:09:26.760 And every election of a pope has been a human,
01:09:29.000 except our Lord's appointment of Peter.
01:09:31.660 There's another possibility,
01:09:33.520 and it comes from Elizabeth Kinori Mora,
01:09:35.940 and it was similar to a prophecy of Blessed Amory at Taichi.
01:09:39.740 Blessed Elizabeth said,
01:09:41.620 a time will come when the papacy shall sink so low
01:09:45.300 that it will seem to have been extinguished.
01:09:48.080 then saints peter and paul shall appear upon the earth and a light shall emanate from their bodies
01:09:54.260 and descend upon the person chosen by heaven to lead the church and it could be that that will be
01:10:00.920 it could be a heavenly manifestation that would affirm the the uh human efforts taken by the
01:10:09.780 the the local clergy the backup electors of the pope it is possible because it'll be a tough sell
01:10:15.900 for them to get the whole Catholic world to rally around what they've done.
01:10:21.400 People have been erroneously following this leadership that's hell-bent on destroying
01:10:26.780 Catholic doctrine, worship, and practice for the last 68 years.
01:10:31.820 Gary Giffray, I thank you so much for joining us.
01:10:34.180 It is a fascinating ride through this theory of yours, and it is, where you present the
01:10:42.240 proofs for a lot of things, it shakes you.
01:10:44.380 It's something to look at for sure.
01:10:46.340 What is truly great is that you still maintain the faith, the faith of your childhood, of
01:10:52.980 your family, and you believe all of what the church has always taught, which is very different
01:10:59.480 from where many of our most stellar prelates are today.
01:11:03.520 So God bless you, and let's all continue to pray for the church.
01:11:06.980 It was a great honor to be with you today, John Henry.
01:11:09.580 I appreciate this opportunity very much.
01:11:11.700 God bless you.
01:11:13.180 And God bless all of you.
01:11:14.500 And we'll see you next time.