The John-Henry Westen Show - Is it true that Ivermectin and HCQ are abortion-tainted just like COVID jabs？

00:00:00.000 As you all know, LifeSite has taken a very clear stance on the use of abortion-tainted

00:00:04.780 vaccines, those that have used aborted fetal cell lines in their production.

00:00:09.140 And that's been ongoing for years, and we've continued that more recently concerning the

00:00:14.320 abortion-tainted COVID, so-called vaccines.

00:00:17.480 We've also been reporting on the use of ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19 and for complications

00:00:23.980 arising from these vaccines.

00:00:25.900 But in recent weeks, we've seen a list circulating among Catholics, a list of medical products

00:00:32.160 that are supposedly tainted by the evil of abortion, just like these COVID vaccines, specifically

00:00:39.180 the fetal cell line HEK-293, which was derived from the abortion of a baby girl in 1973.

00:00:47.960 This list includes various everyday medicines and also includes ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.

00:00:57.560 So what are we to make of this?

00:00:59.820 Stay tuned to find out on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.

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00:01:42.420 We're trying to reach as many people as possible with the truth, and we need your help to do that.

00:01:48.180 Thank you.

00:01:49.420 So let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:01:52.260 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:01:59.540 So let's leave aside for now the moral debate over abortion-tainted vaccines.

00:02:05.440 Let's leave aside myocarditis, spike proteins, mRNA, increased car crashes, blood clots, strokes,

00:02:11.800 and all the other health issues associated with these rushed so-called vaccines and gene

00:02:16.660 therapies that have actually led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of vaccine recipients.

00:02:23.160 Let's leave aside the Great Reset, the vaccine passports, and all of this stuff. 0.98

00:02:28.100 Let's just focus on this one claim that ivermectin and various everyday medicines make use of aborted

00:02:34.840 fetal cells in the same way as these so-called COVID vaccines.

00:02:39.180 It is obvious that the compilers of this list are trying to do just this, trying to say

00:02:46.860 you accept these medicines, these everyday medicines, and yet you are making a fuss about

00:02:53.540 the vaccines, the COVID vaccines, and therefore we are somehow hypocrites.

00:02:58.840 Well, let's look at the evidence presented in this list for these claims.

00:03:03.960 So first of all, we'll deal with ibuprofen. Perhaps the most shocking claim on the list is

00:03:10.560 that HEK-293 cells were used in the production of ibuprofen, a widely used painkiller discovered

00:03:18.120 in 1961. But is this true? Well, let's take a quick look at the study which is cited in this list.

00:03:26.760 This 2018 study is called, quote, the effect of aspirin and ibuprofen on the proliferation of cervical cancer cells

00:03:36.540 compared to non-cancerous cells, HEK-293, in cell culture medium, end quote.

00:03:43.520 What a mouthful. But let's break this down.

00:03:46.140 This is a study by an academic working in Hungary and Iran.

00:03:50.980 This academic was researching the effects of aspirin and ibuprofen on two types of cells,

00:03:56.860 cervical cancer cells and HEK-293 fetal cells.

00:04:01.360 We're not given a specific page number, so you and I, non-medical professionals,

00:04:06.960 were just expected to believe that a 10-page academic study with an irrelevant title

00:04:11.980 and seemingly behind a paywall is all about proving that ibuprofen was produced with aborted fetal cells.

00:04:18.760 All of it? Well, I'm sorry, but this makes no sense.

00:04:23.900 Without a proper quote, a proper page reference, or something more specific,

00:04:27.440 I see no reason to think anything other than this study is about treatments for cervical cancer,

00:04:33.680 not ibuprofen.

00:04:35.260 And even if it was about testing ibuprofen with fetal cells,

00:04:39.500 perhaps because some independent scientists somewhere were speculating on a link between it and cancer,

00:04:45.380 how does this compare to preparatory tests necessary to bring a drug to market?

00:04:53.460 Anyway, remember that ibuprofen was discovered in 1961.

00:04:57.840 How could it have been developed using fetal cells from an abortion in 1973?

00:05:03.940 Or be tainted by such independent research in 2018?

00:05:08.380 So our position of conscience is based on whether the drugs in question were developed using cells derived from abortions.

00:05:18.160 It is not based on whether random teams of scientists decades later decide

00:05:23.100 that they want to do immoral tests using these medications.

00:05:27.260 In the case of development or preparatory tests,

00:05:30.860 the medicine might not exist without the immoral use of these cells,

00:05:34.820 and that's the point.

00:05:37.360 But if other scientists independently do this sort of research years later,

00:05:41.420 this is totally different.

00:05:43.560 This is a gross misunderstanding of our position,

00:05:46.400 and it's a false parallel.

00:05:48.420 It's a failure of logic.

00:05:51.260 Well, okay, you might say,

00:05:52.980 they included one bad reference,

00:05:55.040 but the rest of the list still stands.

00:05:57.260 Well, let's see.

00:05:59.560 Penicillin was discovered in 1928

00:06:02.100 and is one of the most common antibiotics.

00:06:05.120 And this too appears on the list.

00:06:08.060 And you might be asking yourself again,

00:06:09.640 how could a medicine discovered in 1928

00:06:12.100 have used HEK-293 cells from an abortion in 1973?

00:06:17.820 Well, that's a good question.

00:06:19.200 But perhaps there's an answer.

00:06:20.960 Perhaps it's made differently today.

00:06:22.880 Perhaps, you know,

00:06:24.180 let's see what evidence were given for this.

00:06:26.760 The 2017 study provided here,

00:06:29.520 conducted by the American Heart Association,

00:06:31.500 investigates whether penicillin

00:06:33.280 causes risk of sudden heart problems

00:06:35.400 and cardiac death.

00:06:37.060 This study did indeed use fetal cells.

00:06:39.980 But again,

00:06:40.840 what do tests done in 2017

00:06:43.140 have to do with a medicine

00:06:45.060 which has been around for decades

00:06:46.960 and which was developed

00:06:48.360 long before HEK-293 even existed?

00:06:52.500 Remember, the claim here

00:06:53.880 is that the fetal cells were used

00:06:55.780 in the development

00:06:57.060 of the examples given.

00:06:59.520 So the list gives another study

00:07:03.000 regarding antibiotics.

00:07:04.860 Let's see what that says.

00:07:06.880 The list presents an article

00:07:08.480 as evidence that amoxicillin

00:07:10.860 discovered in 1958

00:07:12.160 used HEK-293 cells in its development.

00:07:15.640 Well, there's the same problem again

00:07:17.240 of timing, of course.

00:07:18.780 In fact, the article is about

00:07:20.900 developing aluminum membranes

00:07:23.220 for the delivery of various medicines.

00:07:25.400 It does not mention HEK-293

00:07:27.680 with regard to the production

00:07:30.860 of penicillin at all.

00:07:32.880 It does mention HEK-293

00:07:35.420 five times in the article,

00:07:37.040 but not in any context

00:07:39.200 that would suggest

00:07:40.240 that it was used

00:07:41.100 to develop this antibiotic.

00:07:43.460 The study isn't even

00:07:44.840 about amoxicillin.

00:07:47.220 It's just one of the medicines

00:07:48.600 used to test these membranes.

00:07:50.780 So once more,

00:07:53.760 not relevant at all.

00:07:56.360 That's two more faulty footnotes.

00:07:58.940 And so really what's going on here?

00:08:00.740 One faulty reference,

00:08:01.980 that could be a mistake.

00:08:03.280 Two, well, that's probably careless.

00:08:04.900 And what should we say of three?

00:08:06.480 And is there something more?

00:08:08.900 Is there some kind of agenda

00:08:10.040 behind this list?

00:08:10.940 So let's look then

00:08:13.160 at the COVID-19 medications.

00:08:15.000 Let's move on

00:08:15.740 and look at ivermectin,

00:08:18.560 hydroxychloroquine.

00:08:20.040 And here,

00:08:21.000 the claim is somewhat different.

00:08:22.600 Instead of saying

00:08:23.300 that these medications

00:08:24.100 were developed using fetal cells,

00:08:25.840 this list merely claims

00:08:27.140 that these medications

00:08:28.060 are connected

00:08:29.060 to the use of HEK-293 cell line.

00:08:32.020 So it mentions hydroxychloroquine

00:08:34.780 and ivermectin, of course.

00:08:36.300 And it's interesting

00:08:37.180 that it only claims

00:08:38.800 they are connected

00:08:39.760 to these cell lines.

00:08:40.940 Of course, here at LifeSite News,

00:08:42.400 we know that an earlier version

00:08:43.820 of this list,

00:08:44.500 which is still circulating,

00:08:45.820 in some places,

00:08:46.520 actually claimed

00:08:47.220 that these medications

00:08:48.100 are produced

00:08:49.140 with fetal cell lines

00:08:50.520 used in the process.

00:08:52.420 End quote.

00:08:53.540 So we already can see

00:08:55.480 that there is

00:08:56.160 some shifting around here.

00:08:58.360 What does this euphemistic term

00:09:00.780 connected mean

00:09:01.940 in this context?

00:09:03.580 Well, if we weren't

00:09:05.340 on our guard already

00:09:06.680 from what we have seen so far,

00:09:08.540 we might assume

00:09:09.260 that it means

00:09:09.980 that the medications

00:09:11.240 contain or were developed

00:09:13.240 with aborted fetal cells.

00:09:15.260 But let's look at the evidence

00:09:16.980 this list gives us.

00:09:18.380 Let's start with hydroxychloroquine.

00:09:21.360 So here, hydroxychloroquine

00:09:23.140 came into recent public consciousness

00:09:25.580 as an anti-COVID drug

00:09:27.520 early in the lockdowns.

00:09:29.500 It is an anti-malarial medication,

00:09:32.540 and it was first approved

00:09:33.720 by the USA in 1955.

00:09:35.980 So once again,

00:09:37.740 we can't help wondering

00:09:38.660 how such an old drug

00:09:40.100 could be connected

00:09:41.200 with fetal cell lines

00:09:42.500 from 1973.

00:09:44.540 But like I said,

00:09:45.840 perhaps there are new ways

00:09:47.200 of producing this drug

00:09:48.140 that involve

00:09:49.120 these immoral means.

00:09:50.620 And what evidence

00:09:51.720 are we provided

00:09:52.500 by the list?

00:09:54.080 Well,

00:09:55.260 the 2016 study,

00:09:57.300 cited,

00:09:57.720 is investigating

00:09:58.820 whether hydroxychloroquine

00:10:00.440 and chloroquine

00:10:01.420 can lead to sight problems.

00:10:04.060 And it is true 0.89

00:10:04.960 that these scientists

00:10:06.040 associated with

00:10:06.980 the American Pharmacists Association

00:10:08.820 carried out their experiments

00:10:10.840 using HEK-293,

00:10:13.300 which of course we deplore.

00:10:14.960 But,

00:10:15.560 is this even really

00:10:16.940 a connection

00:10:17.560 to hydroxychloroquine itself?

00:10:19.520 Is it relevant

00:10:20.440 to its development

00:10:22.320 or production?

00:10:23.580 No, it's not.

00:10:24.680 Of course,

00:10:25.900 it's independent research

00:10:27.320 carried out

00:10:28.040 by independent scientists.

00:10:29.280 So once again,

00:10:30.660 another irrelevant footnote,

00:10:33.260 another faulty reference.

00:10:34.680 That's one

00:10:35.480 plus the last two

00:10:36.660 makes three

00:10:37.220 and now we're dealing

00:10:38.340 with four

00:10:39.120 faulty references.

00:10:40.820 So really,

00:10:41.440 what's going on

00:10:42.080 with this list?

00:10:43.340 This is not

00:10:44.320 how debate works.

00:10:46.120 If the compilers

00:10:47.300 of such lists

00:10:48.180 want to make claims

00:10:49.260 like this,

00:10:49.800 they need to back them up

00:10:51.060 with direct quotes

00:10:52.260 or specific page references,

00:10:54.160 not just point

00:10:54.800 to highly technical texts

00:10:56.440 like this

00:10:57.420 and say,

00:10:58.000 it's in there somewhere

00:10:58.880 and expect us

00:11:00.540 to be sort of

00:11:01.080 overawed

00:11:01.880 by all the

00:11:02.360 scientific jargon.

00:11:03.840 So,

00:11:04.580 we are now

00:11:05.760 at four

00:11:06.900 faulty references,

00:11:08.040 four footnotes

00:11:08.740 that failed to provide

00:11:09.660 any clear evidence

00:11:11.000 that the accused

00:11:12.360 medications used

00:11:13.860 aborted fetal cell lines

00:11:15.080 in their production.

00:11:16.700 Given how unreliable

00:11:18.560 this list has been

00:11:19.600 so far,

00:11:20.500 how reliable do you think

00:11:21.680 it will be about

00:11:22.240 ivermectin?

00:11:23.440 Well, let's see.

00:11:25.000 Ivermectin was

00:11:25.820 discovered in 1975

00:11:27.620 and licensed

00:11:28.620 for medical use

00:11:29.360 in 1981.

00:11:30.760 We don't need

00:11:31.540 to go into the fact

00:11:32.340 that it's been

00:11:32.800 described as a wonder drug

00:11:33.960 or that its inventors

00:11:35.400 were both given

00:11:36.280 Nobel Prize for it

00:11:37.700 in 2015

00:11:38.500 or even enter

00:11:40.060 in the question

00:11:40.600 of whether

00:11:41.340 it affects COVID-19.

00:11:43.400 Let's stay focused

00:11:44.560 on whether fetal cells

00:11:45.780 were used

00:11:46.300 in its production.

00:11:48.920 Well,

00:11:49.520 we're off to a bad start

00:11:50.520 when we see

00:11:51.060 that the study provided

00:11:52.100 was again

00:11:52.660 by a German university

00:11:53.780 and decades

00:11:54.800 after the medicine

00:11:55.920 was brought to market.

00:11:57.240 The study itself

00:11:58.460 looks at ivermectin

00:11:59.980 and cell receptors.

00:12:01.520 It mentions

00:12:02.200 HEK cells

00:12:03.620 24 times,

00:12:04.900 but at no point

00:12:05.800 does it even suggest

00:12:07.240 that ivermectin

00:12:07.960 was produced

00:12:08.480 with fetal cell lines.

00:12:09.920 Once again,

00:12:11.060 an independent team

00:12:12.060 of scientists,

00:12:13.200 not the manufacturers

00:12:14.340 or developers,

00:12:15.380 decide to do

00:12:16.220 some immoral research

00:12:17.420 related to ivermectin

00:12:18.640 in an immoral way.

00:12:20.380 And we are expected

00:12:21.540 to believe

00:12:22.140 that this contaminates

00:12:23.800 the medication itself.

00:12:26.480 Once again,

00:12:28.000 this list makes a claim,

00:12:29.740 the fifth now,

00:12:30.620 about a medication

00:12:31.320 and fetal cells, 0.74

00:12:32.500 a claim which is not supported

00:12:34.020 by the reference given.

00:12:35.800 It makes you wonder

00:12:37.020 how the list

00:12:37.640 of references

00:12:38.360 were produced.

00:12:39.580 Did someone use

00:12:40.260 a search engine

00:12:40.960 searching for the names

00:12:41.940 of common medications

00:12:42.900 with the word

00:12:43.820 HEK 293 added in

00:12:45.440 and take the references

00:12:46.480 without checking them?

00:12:48.000 Were we then

00:12:49.120 non-doctors

00:12:49.900 supposed to see

00:12:50.740 the medical jargon

00:12:51.660 and assume

00:12:52.160 that the footnotes

00:12:52.860 checked out?

00:12:55.720 First of all,

00:12:56.820 we just want to do

00:12:57.520 the right thing here.

00:12:58.760 We don't know everything.

00:13:00.540 We're trying

00:13:01.780 to conform our minds

00:13:03.520 to that which appears

00:13:04.600 to be the natural law

00:13:06.560 and sound moral principles.

00:13:08.600 We know

00:13:09.600 that COVID vaccines

00:13:11.040 under question

00:13:12.400 and other medical treatments

00:13:14.460 either contain

00:13:15.580 aborted fetal cells

00:13:16.640 or were developed

00:13:17.920 in these cell lines

00:13:18.960 or essential preparatory

00:13:20.360 testing was done

00:13:21.180 using such cells.

00:13:22.180 This is what we mean

00:13:24.620 by saying

00:13:25.160 they are tainted

00:13:26.020 by abortion.

00:13:27.440 But if independent

00:13:29.080 groups of scientists

00:13:30.280 decide to do

00:13:31.120 their own research projects

00:13:32.280 on these medications

00:13:33.320 sometimes decades later

00:13:35.000 and they decide

00:13:36.560 to use abortion-derived cells,

00:13:38.580 this is a completely

00:13:39.480 different matter.

00:13:40.980 Of course,

00:13:41.600 we deplore it,

00:13:42.380 but it's not like

00:13:43.620 an independent team

00:13:44.580 of researchers

00:13:45.100 somehow taint

00:13:46.200 the medication itself.

00:13:47.420 Let me give you

00:13:50.020 a kind of an analogy

00:13:51.660 on this.

00:13:53.400 Imagine

00:13:53.920 a powerful

00:13:55.320 global bakery,

00:13:57.320 a global bakery chain

00:13:58.920 which developed

00:13:59.620 a secret sauce

00:14:01.000 to make all

00:14:01.980 of its products

00:14:02.840 and the secret sauce

00:14:04.020 intentionally included

00:14:05.520 the blood

00:14:05.980 of a murder victim.

00:14:07.480 Now imagine

00:14:08.360 that bakery

00:14:09.120 found that

00:14:09.740 people were objecting

00:14:11.080 to its products

00:14:11.720 because their secret sauce

00:14:13.420 used to make

00:14:14.300 its products

00:14:15.060 were tainted

00:14:15.680 with the blood

00:14:16.500 of a murder victim.

00:14:17.920 Imagine then

00:14:18.860 if the bakery

00:14:19.720 fixed their problem

00:14:21.200 by using airplanes

00:14:22.320 to douse all the crops

00:14:23.720 on earth

00:14:24.320 with their secret sauce,

00:14:25.780 thus making all food

00:14:27.180 tainted

00:14:27.600 with the blood

00:14:28.460 of the murder victim.

00:14:30.360 Of course,

00:14:31.040 we would not be

00:14:32.200 boycotting

00:14:32.900 all the crops

00:14:33.960 on the earth

00:14:34.780 and of course

00:14:35.800 we would be

00:14:36.960 boycotting the bakery

00:14:38.420 with a vengeance.

00:14:40.520 And we may even

00:14:41.960 try to grow

00:14:42.720 new crops

00:14:43.540 in a greenhouse

00:14:44.580 safe from the

00:14:45.320 contamination efforts

00:14:46.460 of the bakery.

00:14:48.120 So in exactly

00:14:49.340 the same way

00:14:50.180 we will never

00:14:51.700 concede

00:14:52.280 to the abortion 0.59

00:14:53.240 tainted

00:14:53.840 COVID jabs

00:14:54.820 which were manufactured

00:14:56.140 using aborted

00:14:57.520 fetal cell lines.

00:14:58.860 We deplore

00:14:59.640 that these cell lines

00:15:00.920 are used

00:15:01.940 ubiquitously

00:15:03.420 to test

00:15:04.160 other products

00:15:04.860 which did not

00:15:06.000 use them

00:15:07.080 in their development.

00:15:08.560 We can't boycott

00:15:09.740 all these products

00:15:10.600 but we can

00:15:11.740 and should

00:15:12.500 protest

00:15:13.120 the unethical

00:15:14.140 testing

00:15:14.580 and we can

00:15:16.340 and should

00:15:17.140 try to find

00:15:18.200 ethically tested

00:15:19.500 products

00:15:20.100 that did not

00:15:21.320 use aborted

00:15:21.980 fetal cell lines

00:15:22.780 in their development.

00:15:25.100 You know,

00:15:26.000 there are some truths

00:15:27.240 like the divinity

00:15:28.540 of our Lord Jesus Christ

00:15:29.780 like the fact

00:15:32.100 that God

00:15:32.560 is a trinity

00:15:33.080 of persons

00:15:33.600 that we know

00:15:34.900 are certain

00:15:35.620 and can never

00:15:36.900 be doubted.

00:15:37.960 There are other things

00:15:39.080 like the obligation

00:15:40.260 to avoid

00:15:40.940 abortion-tainted

00:15:41.660 medical products

00:15:42.460 which are based

00:15:43.860 on moral reasoning

00:15:45.160 applied to

00:15:46.600 contingent facts.

00:15:49.200 In life,

00:15:50.460 we must always

00:15:51.640 be open

00:15:52.220 to the truth

00:15:53.100 and to reality

00:15:54.500 and to follow

00:15:55.480 the arguments

00:15:56.100 where they lead.

00:15:57.920 I hope

00:15:58.920 that we will

00:15:59.620 always allow

00:16:00.340 ourselves

00:16:00.820 to be convinced

00:16:01.720 by true arguments

00:16:03.200 and facts

00:16:03.880 even if that makes

00:16:05.420 us change our minds

00:16:06.280 about things.

00:16:06.960 But,

00:16:09.540 do you know

00:16:10.700 what won't

00:16:11.440 convince us?

00:16:13.300 Lists of scientific

00:16:14.640 journals with

00:16:15.400 jargonistic titles

00:16:16.460 present to the lay

00:16:17.440 public intending

00:16:18.220 to make those

00:16:18.940 holding our

00:16:19.520 conclusion look bad

00:16:20.940 but which prove

00:16:22.220 on inspection

00:16:22.980 to have nothing

00:16:24.020 to do with it

00:16:24.580 at all.

00:16:25.940 And all of this

00:16:26.960 just goes to show

00:16:28.460 that we should

00:16:29.800 be cautious

00:16:30.460 before believing

00:16:31.740 things we read

00:16:32.740 on the internet

00:16:33.580 and,

00:16:35.940 like they say,

00:16:36.960 always read

00:16:38.020 the footnotes.

00:16:39.440 For LifeSite News,

00:16:40.360 this is John Henry Weston.

00:16:42.080 May God bless you.

00:16:44.780 We have been

00:16:45.660 warning everyone

00:16:46.600 who would listen

00:16:47.320 and attempting

00:16:48.180 to build up

00:16:49.080 alternative platforms

00:16:50.320 to continue

00:16:51.360 to reach you.

00:16:52.940 We have established

00:16:53.920 ourselves on all

00:16:54.900 sorts of platforms

00:16:55.760 I'm going to explain

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The John-Henry Westen Show - October 15, 2021

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