LGBT Drag Queen Culture Rooted In New World Religion, Paganism | Anthony Abbate
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In this episode of the John Henry Weston Show, we are joined by Anthony Abate, host of the podcast, "Avoiding Babylon," to talk about what it means to be a Christian in a post-Christian world.
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When you see we landed on the moon, we plant the flag because we are, it's a sign of conquest.
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When we go to Iwo Jima and we win that war, we plant our flag because we won.
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When you see a pride flag on a church, that church has been conquered.
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Hey my friends, we are still here at the Coalition for Canceled Priest Conference and they're
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One whom you really need to get to know is someone who runs a podcast called Avoiding Babylon.
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His name is Anthony Abate and he's got a very interesting take on the whole new thing we're
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So let's begin as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
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So, Anthony, perhaps there's some of our viewers who don't know about you yet.
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I have to, before anything, as you were giving that intro, I actually heard the music in my
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But, so, I started a YouTube channel right around the time of the mandate, right?
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So, the vaccine mandate came out, and I felt like I was facing something apocalyptic.
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It felt almost like a type and foreshadow of the mark of the beast.
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I was being told if I did not get this mark, I would lose my ability to buy and sell.
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I mean, I knew it wasn't the actual mark, but it felt that way.
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So, I started thinking a little deeper about the Christian story.
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So, my first video was just about standing up to the mandate.
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But, I really started thinking deeper about the Christian story and saying, where are we
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So, I named the channel Avoiding Babylon because there's actually a story in Daniel 2 of Nebuchadnezzar,
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where Nebuchadnezzar is the king of kings of Babylon.
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And, he unites Jews and Gentiles through force and tyranny.
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And, there's a prophecy of a head of gold, a chest of silver, the stomach of bronze, and
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This is the backdrop that Paul has in Ephesians when Paul talks about the body of Christ.
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It's a photographic negative of this image that Nebuchadnezzar's dream has.
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So, the channel is basically just a way to avoid this system of force and tyranny that
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in the apocalypse says, is now, or it was, it is now, is not now, and will return in the
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Because, there will be a system of control that existed, just like during the time of
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Daniel, where something will try to unite us through force and tyranny again.
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So, the idea of the channel name was just, we have to avoid this system of control.
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Now, you talked about something that is really fascinating.
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And, I've often said that the, you know, this new woke culture really is a religion, because
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But, you've actually broken that down in an incredible way.
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So, it kind of dawned on me how you, how every single culture that has ever existed has a creation
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So, when I start seeing evolution as a creation myth, it really just, everything else plays
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out in, so, evolution as a creation myth, climate change as an apocalypse.
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They have holy days of obligation, which is basically pride month, which we're in right
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They have, it's, the whole thing is set up as a religion, where even when you saw Anthony
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Bass recently, he spoke out against the Bud Light mandate.
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Oh, he spoke up in favor of the Bud Light mandate.
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The next day, he was flagellating himself in public.
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I mean, these are, these are all things that you see with the marks of religion, and it
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just all seems to be setting up where if you, if you see the, the rainbow as an inverse
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So, when, when Jesus says, when I am lifted up, I will draw all men into me, like, there's
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Really, like, when Jesus is lifted up, all nations are drawn into him.
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So, when the Vikings, when the Huns, when the barbarians come, they come to rape and pillage,
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The rainbow is basically an inverse of the cross, where it's drawing all men to Satan.
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So, we know if you see a church with a rainbow flag, that church no longer has Christ as king.
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So, what's scaring me is seeing all the things playing out in our church right now, where they're
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flirting with the idea of incorporating this flag into the Catholic faith.
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And if I see the flag incorporated into the faith, to me, that's no longer the Catholic
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So, when you see a sign that says, all are welcome with a rainbow flag, all are welcome
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It's, it's very much treated like a religion, also in that they don't brook any kind of disobedience
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Their excommunication is, is very much there, even for the, the faithful.
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Um, you know, the author of the Harry Potter series, she's woke as anything, except she
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dared to say that women should be women and men with, but she's still pro-homosexual all
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So, if you understand what's going on with the trans movement, if you look back to ancient
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cults before the resurrection, there's a cult called, uh, the cult of Artemis Ephesia.
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Now, the, the priests of Artemis Ephesia were men who would castrate themselves and wear
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women's clothing and people would take their children to see these priests.
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I mean, if you really look and understand what's going on, these ancient cults are just starting
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So, when you see JK Rowling speak out and say something true, she spoke heresy because the
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And when you speak heresy against the one true faith, you get, I mean, it starts with
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excommunication, but it could also be burned at the stake.
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So, when you see a guy, I mean, even look at what happened with the LA Dodgers.
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When you see the LA Dodgers, they invite these sisters of perpetual and, I mean, there's nothing
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These are men dressing up as nuns with demonic makeup on.
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And they invite them, Catholics push back, so they disinvite them.
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The Dodgers get more afraid of the other side than they are of us because we may protest,
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And what happens is, if you really understand what happens with Christianity, when, after
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the resurrection, when Paul starts talking about the Catholic sexual ethic, this is what
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So, the idea of one man and one woman together for life is an alien concept to the ancient
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So, if you look back to Roman society where you have that cult that I was just speaking
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about, Artemis Ephesia, you also have just the typical Roman citizen who has slaves.
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You have the same word for a woman's mouth, her vagina, and her anus.
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The word is the same word that is used for urinal.
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Men treated women as toilets in the ancient world.
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They were just, if, what Christ does, and what Paul does specifically, is calls men and puts
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an obligation on the male citizen to treat every woman with the dignity of the church.
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Like, so, for men, it's, you have to treat your wives as Christ does the church and lay
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So, a lot of people today, especially, they try to say, wives, be subject to your husbands.
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But in the ancient world, this is common sense.
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But the greater call that's shocking is that husbands, treat your wives as Christ does
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This is a revolutionary teaching that actually is what subdues the earth.
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So, as this goes out, men start to subdue their passions, and it frees them up to actually
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And this is what changes the face of the earth.
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So, when Muslims see the Christian teaching of one man, one woman for life, they laugh at
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Like, they have multiple, they have more than one wife, all of them.
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It's why Sister Lucia said the final battle will be over marriage and the family.
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And you're starting to see a high priest class rise up again, and that's why J.K.
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Rowling spoke out against that, and she's getting all this pushback.
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So, there is a concept, though, nowadays, it's been there since the sexual revolution, very
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much against wives submitting to their husbands.
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In fact, most of the church leadership has also never goes down that road.
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It's one of the things that almost is never said or never heard.
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As a more traditional Catholic, what's your take on that question, and what's, you know,
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I think something significant happens when Paul VI lays down his papal tiara, almost like
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When you see, first of all, even the idea of feminism only is able to exist because Christianity
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Like, so, as I was just saying about the ancient world, women were considered subhuman.
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But what happens when Christianity comes in is, especially when we meditate upon Our Lady
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as being the crown of creation, this is what spawns the chivalry movement, where we raise
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So now, women are only able to start talking the way they are about having equal rights and
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things because they are in a Christian environment.
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So this wouldn't even exist without Christianity, where it's a twisting of the Christian teaching
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So everyone has this Christian impulse for empathy.
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So when you even see the Black Lives Matter movement, the idea is they're playing on our
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human urge towards empathy to care for the person who's downtrodden.
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So when you start seeing these people saying things like, you have to care for the poor,
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you have to care for the downtrodden, and even elevate women to this level, this is a
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So if any time we try to subvert Christ's teaching and not do things his way, things
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And that's really just all we're seeing right now, right?
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So it's, for feminism especially, is a twisting of the Christian teaching.
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We know that men and women have equal dignity, but we have different roles.
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And when you try to subvert those roles, problems always arise.
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When I was in seminary, I was reading a book by Henry Nowen.
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He talked about a nuclear man, you know, and people who grew up in the 1980s were kind of
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formed by that immediate and constant threat of nuclear annihilation.
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My generation has grown up, you know, under the specter of priestly sexual abuse.
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What say you, Mr. Foreperson, is the defendant guilty or not guilty?
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I think that for many of us, that has also been all-encompassing.
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You know, I mean, I entered the seminary in January of 2004, and it's basically been there
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Because you've got a wealth of knowledge on the faith, on philosophy, on theology, on history.
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And I just, I think that God, I think that God really, he makes fools of the wise, right?
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You don't need to, I mean, just to really understand the Christian story is something
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It's not something that he, like, he didn't save that for the wise of this world.
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So, really just understanding that things that happened in the Old Testament prefigure
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And even the things that we're seeing today, I really see, I really see the things going
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on in the hierarchy as a fulfillment of the first coming of Christ.
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So, if you look to the first century, you see that the hierarchy colludes with Rome, and
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So, a proper typological fulfillment would be the modern hierarchy colluding with the
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And we know that the church will follow our Lord in his passion, death, and resurrection.
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I don't see any other way that it would be fulfilled other than what we're actually witnessing
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Let's unpack that a little bit, because, first of all, what you said at the end there about
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we know that the church will follow our Lord into his passion.
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So, in the Catechism, if you read it, I can't tell you the right number, but 675 in the Catechism
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The church, the mystical body of Christ, will follow her head, the Lord, into his passion
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This addition of it will mirror what happened at the beginning, where the church at the
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time, the Jewish church at the time, the one official church at the time, really betrayed
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God in the Messiah that he sent and colluded with Rome at the time.
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That means the powers that were, not the Rome of the church, but the governmental or world
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governmental power, if you will, it's being mirrored exactly now with the hierarchy of
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the day, which is the church, even in the Pope and the cardinals and bishops, colluding
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with, as they did, especially during this whole lockdown, COVID insanity, with the World
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Economic Forum, the government, the world government, if you will, in this sort of insane
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plan, which was so bizarre, because it went against the faith in so many ways.
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Yes, the jab was abortion tainted, but it also went against the freedom that the church
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affords to her children in terms of not having to take an abortion tainted jab.
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Even if they were legit, which I don't believe they were, even if they were legit in saying
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that it's remote material cooperation, even if that were the case, still you couldn't force
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And yet, in the very Vatican, they forced them to take it.
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In fact, the Vatican, who's supposed to believe in healing, the power of healing, lords, which
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Abby Johnson spoke about that this morning, right?
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I was expecting a typical talk from Abby Johnson this morning on abortion, and she really got
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into this whole understanding of the mandate and how that comes down to us.
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And she literally was quoting documents from the church, and she got pushback from the church.
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It's such a strange thing that's going on right now.
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Like, you have to really think about what darkness has come over the ministers of the
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Like, think about what happened with the Dodgers, where these, they mock our Lord.
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Like, we are talking about the most blasphemous thing you could imagine.
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I can't think of anything more offensive as a Catholic than what we saw at that stadium,
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To think that this is just simple cowardice, I mean, you have to be naive at that point.
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Cardinal Dolan, there was an exhibit in a New York church called God is Trans, and they
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I mean, you can't, you couldn't even imagine this 10 years ago, right?
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10 years ago, before Pope Francis, you knew these things were lying beneath the surface.
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But at least you still, every once in a while, a bishop would come out and say, the National
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You would see, New Way's ministry wasn't allowed to preach at the typical parish.
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You would have priests that spoke for women's ordination would get, lose their faculties,
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Now we have, we have James Martin as the poster boy for this pontificate.
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There's something so absurd going on where Francis sends a letter of endorsement during
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Pride Month to a known peddler of homosexuality.
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It's, it's, there's something so dark and mystical going on right now that, I mean, people really
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And if you see what happens in the first century, you see that the hierarchy colludes with Rome
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Now that, that first century, you have the original Christians are Jews.
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They're in the temple worshiping with other Jews.
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There's an actual schism where those, where God calls them out.
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So if you're reading Apocalypse 18.4, it actually says, come out of her, my people, so you do
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That's not an exact quote, but it's basically the, the, the gist of what Apocalypse 18.4 says.
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And what happens is God calls his people out of the heretical Sanhedrin.
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So there's not one Christian dies when the temple is destroyed in 70 AD, right?
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So God says, when you see the, the, the abomination of desolation run for the hills.
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So not one Christian dies because they bring this idol into the temple and around 70 AD.
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I really think that the Pachamama incident was kind of a prefigurement to something that's
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And we have the synod and synodality coming up and I don't know what will happen, but
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If you have a church that has a pride flag, that church is no longer a church that has
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When you see, we landed on the moon, we plant the flag because we are, it's a sign of conquest.
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When we go to Iwo Jima and we win that war, we plant our flag because we won.
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When you see a pride flag on a church, that church has been conquered.
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And that church is literally a church to the dark Lord.
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So if we see anything like that happen in the synod and synodality, that is what is a terrifying
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Like we still know God is present with his church.
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So this isn't about the Novus Ordo or anything.
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Like we know God is still present with his church.
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We're just waiting for God to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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So I don't want anybody basing anything on what I'm saying.
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And I try to see things, how they unfolded the first time and what we should.
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And in a way, seeing it this way has actually brought me comfort.
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I mean, we know that Judas is a very big part of the story.
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So the idea of God's ministers betraying him is kind of baked into the story.
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We pray for the conversion of the Pope Francis and all of these many ministers.
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We hope for their conversion here because we know the Millstone Award is there.
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You know, God, our Lord says himself, it'd be better for them that a Millstone be tied
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about their necks, be thrown into the sea rather than confuse the little ones.
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So you and I had the conversation before, right?
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So we were talking and just saying, like, what are the things that have really struck us?
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And you said one of those things is when Pope Francis actually said that he was comparing
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these unions that were just, you know, out of wedlock unions and saying that they had
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We're all trying to make sense of things right now.
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I know some people go the Sedeve Contest route.
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I know that we have the promise of Christ that says, upon this rock, I will build my church
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Now, that doesn't mean it won't appear as though they prevail because things do appear
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But no, I know that God still is present in his church.
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And in some way, I really do find comfort in seeing things in this way.
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It's just with my children, I've tried to really show them how God does always fulfill
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And I try to keep them away from some of the drunk, because a lot of people do obsess on
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Like, and that's a danger for us, especially because we're in this business.
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It's another thing to be checking every two seconds what's happening in Rome, what's
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So for guys like us, it's dangerous, especially because this is kind of our job.
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So I would say for the typical person, know what's going on, but then also just trust God.
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He knew what was happening from the foundation of the world.
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But at the same time, I think the secular world doesn't come after us because we have
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And Francis is playing with these things, and that's why we don't catch much flack from
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So a lot of people may be going crazy about Francis being in there, but also understand
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Because if we do get a holy pope next, the persecution that will accompany him will be
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Because when the devil comes back to a house swept clean, we know in Matthew's gospel, what
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The bound man is bound, and when the devil returns, he finds the house swept clean, and
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We're going to see persecution like we haven't seen since the early church.
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So as crazy as things are right now, just accept that this is where God has us.
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God chose us to be alive at this point in time, and just trust in his mercy.
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Last week, we had the rally with Bishop Strickland at Dodger Stadium to confront the anti-Catholic,
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They are a team that will be anti-Christian until they disavow, until they apologize for
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These guys are, I hesitate even to describe what they do, but they mock Christ.
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They mock Christianity in the most vile and disgusting ways.
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And yet, the Dodgers, Major League Ball, awards them an award.
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So America is in a kind of an unbelievable place.
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What you said about the flags, the surrender of the flags, and what that means in your parish,
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Small towns across the United States, across Canada.
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Small towns, out of the way, countrysides are being invaded by this same thing, planting the flags.
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Libraries for little kids, story hours, drag queen story hours, moms bringing their little kids all over the place.
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And the pride flags are being flown in these little towns in the township office.
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So I had a, there's a group that sent me some information on a new movement they started.
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And very, very simple plan, and that's why I think it's so beautiful.
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What they do is men get together, only men, Saturday mornings before Mass.
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You know, if your Mass is, let's say, 10 o'clock, just for an example, Saturday morning Mass, 10 o'clock.
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You get together with your men, join, you say a few prayers of exorcism, the ones for laity only.
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And then you go out in twos, praying your rosary, holding your rosaries and praying out loud.
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Not shouting, just normally praying your rosary, but just walking all over town in twos, in different areas, therefore covering your town.
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You do that for an hour, then you get home and help your wife get the kids to church.
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And, you know, very simple, easy thing to do, but it's about taking your town back for Jesus and Mary.
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I just thought I'd get your take on it because I thought, what a beautiful, simple program.
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And I kind of, what we just talked about, that was kind of the thesis I laid out in my talk.
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Meeting people face to face and having these encounters is so important, right?
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So these men are getting together and they're praying the rosary two by two.
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We're just so, whether it's Twitter or Instagram, whatever you're caught up on, these, it's not real life.
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And to me, other Catholics in real life, and especially this weekend, I mean, I've been floored by you, John Henry.
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Like I have, I told you earlier, just to see how your humility and how you came and hung out with everyone this weekend.
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We spent two hours just having a conversation out there last night.
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Having these encounters with, like if you have a parish where you have other men, you guys need to form men's groups.
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We need to have real Catholic connections because if your whole life is in the online world, it's not going to last.
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You need to be having people to support your faith.
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If you're having your faith all alone, it's a very lonely world, and you can lose your faith very easily.
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It's so important to have real life encounters with people.
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How old is old enough for your sons to join you in such a venture?
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My son is 17 right now, and I found that as my kids get older, the main thing I had to realize was just taking them to mass and hoping they pick these things up isn't happening, right?
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Like you have to have real conversations with your children, and ensuring that, especially my kids, when they see all these things going on, having one-on-one conversations with my kids has been the most important thing in the world.
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So sitting, if you're a dad and you have daughters, sit your daughters down because there's a million things coming for their attention, trying to pull them away from Christ.
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Sit your daughters down and remind them that you are a daughter of the Most High King.
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Talk to your sons and say, you see the insanity out there, right?
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Like everything, when you lose your identity in God, you lose your identity totally.
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It's why every conversation we have is about identity politics.
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Like you don't know you're a daughter of God anymore.
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You don't even know what gender you are anymore.
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In a way, it's easier to evangelize now than it's ever been because the world is so upside down.
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So priests come here because they said something true and got canceled.
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There's never been a more important time for you and I to be spiritual fathers because our priestly fathers are being canceled.
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So like one of the main things that I've really come to reflect on in the past two years has been the importance of my role as husband and father.
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It's something that's such a profound responsibility that God gives us as men.
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You are not just a leader, protector, provider.
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And it's such a profound role that God gave you.
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Your children, when they see every action you make, they interpret that as a reflection of God, whether you want them to or not.
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So for us as men especially, there's a lot of talk about wively submission and going against the feminist movement and things like that.
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But if you want to really have your wife follow your lead, being a good man is the way to do it.
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Because a woman will naturally follow a man with integrity, a good man.
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And treating your wife as your queen and lifting her up, that is just as important as your wife submitting to you as a man.
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I've had such an amazing experience this weekend with the men that I've met at this conference and even some of the women that I've met here.
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They've been so – the reception I got from my talk, I was so nervous to give it, and the people have been so kind to me and just so much support.
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I'm just so happy about all the relationships I've met while I've been here this week.
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I really have had such a wonderful time with you this weekend.
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