The John-Henry Westen Show - November 04, 2026


Opposing Communion in the Hand “Extremist”? Church History Disagrees

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00:00:00.000 Our Lady of La Salette said that Rome would become the seat of Antichrist.
00:00:05.480 And I can't think of anything more Antichrist, literally,
00:00:09.880 than not being reverent toward our Lord where he's most vulnerable in the Eucharist.
00:00:16.820 Hello, my friends. Welcome to the John Henry Weston Show.
00:00:19.240 You know, it got really strange a couple of weeks ago
00:00:21.940 when the Vatican put out this statement that basically went after
00:00:28.380 those Catholics concerned with communion on the hand. Oddly, the Vatican itself used to be
00:00:35.280 concerned with communion on the hand and regard it, by the way, as a sin. But I don't want to
00:00:42.920 just tell you that myself. I wanted to bring to you a church historian who could give us the real
00:00:48.680 goods on both what the Vatican used to say, how it changed, the players involved in his change,
00:00:57.240 and what heaven thinks about that.
00:01:00.560 Oh, yes, we can do all of that with our guest, Dr. Mazahed.
00:01:03.760 Thank you so much for being with us.
00:01:05.500 Oh, thanks so much for having me.
00:01:06.920 Let's begin, as you always do, with the sign of the cross.
00:01:09.420 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
00:01:13.680 Amen.
00:01:14.320 So first of all, Ed, before we get started, I'm going to just read this statement
00:01:18.240 published by the Vatican on the Dicastria website
00:01:24.520 for the Dicastery of Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments, the one that's actually
00:01:29.260 supposed to be in charge of sacraments, regulating the sacraments, the Holy Sacrifice, the Mass,
00:01:35.440 the Reception, Holy Communion, etc., etc. And it's headed up by none other than Arthur Roach,
00:01:40.980 of course, who is not a friend of the Latin Mass, to say the very least. It seems not a friend of
00:01:47.900 anything traditional. This is the report when the bishops of Panama came to their Ad Limana visit.
00:01:53.540 it. This is recorded in the report that they had with his dicastery. On the subject of the liturgy,
00:02:00.700 there is, and I quote, the danger of extremism in the liturgical sphere and of the instrumentalization
00:02:08.600 of the Eucharistic celebration by certain groups of the faithful. What groups is he talking about?
00:02:16.920 Well, they go on to explain, and I quote again, these groups tend to provoke division and confusion
00:02:22.320 by raising issues such as receiving communion, kneeling, and in the hand or the use of the veil
00:02:30.060 by women. It was reaffirmed that the Eucharist is the sacrament of unity and cannot become
00:02:35.940 an object of contention, end quote. Maybe you can unpack that for us to start. I mean, I don't think
00:02:43.240 anybody is reading that out of context when they read, oh my, the Vatican's concerned about
00:02:50.420 traditional Catholics who are all about kneeling for Holy Communion, who are all about, let's stop
00:02:55.340 communion in the hand, it's an abuse. We're all about, yeah, I think the advice by St. Paul in 0.99
00:03:02.020 the scriptures about a woman being veiled should still count for us today. But your take, Ed?
00:03:08.500 Well, it seems that Roach has a problem, or maybe we should say that there's a problem with
00:03:14.800 Roach here. The man who used to have his job just a few short years ago was Cardinal Seurat.
00:03:23.480 Is he one of the extremists that Roach is referring to? Because listen to this quote
00:03:29.380 from Cardinal Seurat. The most insidious diabolical attack consists in trying to extinguish
00:03:41.240 faith in the Eucharist, sowing errors and favoring an unsuitable manner of receiving it.
00:03:52.280 Truly, the war between Michael and his angels on one side and Lucifer on the other continues
00:04:03.360 in the heart of the faithful.
00:04:06.020 Satan's target is the sacrifice of the mass and the real presence of Jesus in the consecrated host.
00:04:16.660 Why do we insist on communicating standing in the hand?
00:04:23.460 Why this attitude of lack of submission to the signs of God?
00:04:29.920 Receiving kneeling and on the tongue is much more suited to the sacrament itself.
00:04:34.700 I hope there can be a rediscovery and a promotion of the beauty and pastoral value
00:04:41.260 of this manner, in my opinion and judgment. This is an important question on which the
00:04:48.020 church today must reflect. This is a further act of adoration and love that each of us can offer
00:04:56.080 to Jesus Christ. Ouch, ouch, ouch, Ed, you've got it. Obviously, Cardinal Roach is concerned
00:05:03.880 with his predecessor, Cardinal Sarah.
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00:07:36.480 Because boy, talk about making an issue of it, raising it as an issue. He did that in spades.
00:07:45.240 So there's the extremist. It's mind-blowing that the current day Vatican is the opposite of what
00:07:52.500 it was well exactly it it makes sense if you if you understand that when uh sarah was in charge
00:08:00.020 we had a valid pope uh and now we get the complete opposite i'll let the viewers draw the conclusion
00:08:07.940 in fact he was so the complete opposite i remember so well because francis did get in while sarah was
00:08:15.440 still there briefly before he removed him. And he was so sad because do you remember that day that
00:08:23.480 Sirah put out a plea to all priests, not even in his capacity as the head of the dicastery, but
00:08:30.460 as just one of the bishops, one of the successors of the apostles, asking that mass be celebrated
00:08:38.000 ad orientem, that the faithful receive kneeling and on the tongue. And he did that asking that
00:08:43.920 it be done. I believe it was for Lent or something or by Lent or something like that. And it was
00:08:50.780 immediately censured by Francis the very next day. That was like lightning fast. At Vatican,
00:08:58.200 they always say, oh, it works in centuries. Wow. When they want something done, they get it done.
00:09:02.980 And it was so sad to see that. But you're right. It was the opposite of where the concern was
00:09:10.740 under Benedict. It sort of flipped completely on its head. And apparently that is increasing
00:09:17.600 in that flipped direction under Leo. The extremists are his predecessor in that office.
00:09:23.280 Okay. Let's name some other extremists. Oh yeah. That uppity nun from India. What was her name
00:09:30.900 again? Oh yeah. St. Mother Teresa of Calcutta. We have two witnesses, two separate priestly
00:09:38.800 witnesses that Mother Teresa said, let's get the exact quote here, Father John Perricone
00:09:44.200 from New York, New Jersey, said that when asked what was the worst evil she had witnessed
00:09:56.580 in her lifetime, Mother Teresa responded, communion in the hand, adding, what dishonor
00:10:06.220 to our blessed Savior. Now, think about this, John Henry. This is a woman who has seen people
00:10:12.460 dying in the street, people that are literally filled with, you know, corpses with maggots and
00:10:18.640 horrible things, children starving. But the worst evil she's ever seen in her lifetime
00:10:26.140 is communion in the hand. That would make it beyond abortion because she was also railing
00:10:33.300 against abortion. But she's asked, what's the greatest evil you've ever seen? Doesn't say
00:10:37.880 abortion. She says communion in the hand. And we have a second witness to this. The priest who
00:10:43.580 originally was quoted to this effect was over 30 years ago, Father George Rutler of the Archdiocese
00:10:51.380 of New York. I've had lay people also testify to this. So to quote Al Gore, it's an inconvenient
00:10:57.960 truths that for a lot of people might seem way too extreme but let me tell you i remember because
00:11:06.860 it stuck in my head so clearly when i was told this by bishop athanasius schneider who you know
00:11:12.020 one of the most heroic bishops alive today he told me in an interview in fact we'll just play
00:11:16.880 this clip because it's so powerful he too is of the opinion that it is the greatest scandal in
00:11:24.560 the church and he means greatest and like mother theresa who saw the horrors of the abject poverty
00:11:32.880 and the total disregard for humanity with regard to abortion bishop schneider has seen the abuse
00:11:39.440 scandals in the church but he yet says this is the gravest evil watch this all should receive
00:11:46.220 communion in the tongue and kneeling kneeling for those who can kneel physically of course
00:11:52.280 But it should be because the current situation with the communion in hand is the deepest wound in the church.
00:11:59.960 I say this with all my conviction because such a horrible treatment of the holiest of holies of our Lord in the little host during communion, it is unprecedented.
00:12:15.360 Such a mass desecretions which are going on.
00:12:20.480 Of course, many of the people do not eat consciously, but de facto, materially, so many fragments fall down and are trampled.
00:12:32.400 And then, evermore, of course, the Holy Ghosts are stolen.
00:12:38.860 So, and also the entire image is such a minimalism of veneration, such a minimum to give to this moment which should be the maximum of reverence, of all, of security, of attention.
00:12:59.700 It is our greatest treasure.
00:13:04.140 It is the divinity of our Lord, hidden.
00:13:08.460 And the Holy Communion is treated such a banal, everyday manner, like to take common food.
00:13:17.640 So it's not out of the question that the holiest of people are now being seen as extremists by the Vatican, but please continue.
00:13:25.320 It was extremists that brought about communion in the hand in the first place. This is well documented. Over the years, Father Nicholas Gruner, for example, spoke to this. Michael Voris and Church Militant spoke about this.
00:13:45.160 And there are books that were written then and books that are being written now. The late great Jesuit, Father John Harden, said, quote, whatever you can do to stop communion in the hand will be blessed by God, unquote.
00:14:03.640 We have the testimony of Father Matthias Gaudron, who in his book, The Catechism of the Crisis in the Church, explains that communion in the hand was first introduced without any authorization by progressive groups in Holland, in France, in Germany.
00:14:27.820 The modernists like to claim that the early church practiced this.
00:14:31.160 It did not.
00:14:31.800 We should do that because that's going to be one of the first objections. It always is because they always say, oh, wait, wait, wait. In the early church, we know that they did indeed have communion on the hand. How do you respond? As a church historian, you're probably best placed to do that.
00:14:46.760 Let me give you some quotes from the early church. Maybe that will help in that direction. Let's see here. Here is Pope Leo the Great, doctor of the church, writing in the 400s.
00:15:04.720 And he says, one receives in the mouth what one believes by faith.
00:15:13.420 Here's the earliest one I could find.
00:15:16.460 Pope Sixtus I, who would have been Pope from 115 to 125.
00:15:24.160 So literally someone who may have known the apostles themselves or knew the people that knew the apostles.
00:15:31.360 And what does he say?
00:15:32.700 He says, it is prohibited for the faithful to even touch the sacred vessels or receive in the hand.
00:15:43.520 Wow.
00:15:43.960 The modernists like to quote an alleged quote by St. Cyril of Jerusalem.
00:15:50.180 That quote is suspect.
00:15:51.680 certain scholars have questioned the authenticity of it and said that perhaps the saint's successor
00:15:58.560 was the one who was responsible for his odd statement about communion in the hand being okay
00:16:03.900 but even he he was only alive in the 300s so you're talking 200 years after this was out from
00:16:15.460 The Pope, Pope Saint Sixtus I. We should all memorize that one. Pope Saint Sixtus I, 115, barring communion in the hand. That's unreal.
00:16:26.580 Just a few years after the martyrdom of Saint Ignatius of Antioch, who warned to flee from those that don't recognize the presence of Christ in the Eucharist, giving an emphasis to what Saint Paul himself had said.
00:16:40.360 But here's another early quote from a church father, the church father, Origen, who writes, and he lived between 185 and 232.
00:16:51.500 He says,
00:17:21.500 Unquote. Second century, early third century.
00:17:25.940 And this is why when after Coppola VI did his survey, it was with great reluctance that he decided to let the bishop conferences know that only in those territories of the world where the abuse was already happening,
00:17:52.360 he would give permission for it if certain guidelines were followed.
00:18:01.280 So that should have, John Henry, that should have limited it to maybe a handful of countries,
00:18:07.040 Holland, France, Germany, Belgium, perhaps.
00:18:12.740 It had to be an already existing abuse in order for the permission to be given for communion in the hand to go on.
00:18:21.340 But he laid down, even in that case, he laid down certain requirements.
00:18:26.400 So I can go through the document with you if you want.
00:18:28.980 So it says here, the Pope grants that throughout the territory of your conference,
00:18:35.620 each bishop may, according to his prudent judgment and conscience,
00:18:40.520 authorize in his diocese the introduction of the new right for giving communion.
00:18:44.960 The condition is the complete avoidance of any cause for the faithful to be shocked and any danger of irreverence towards the Eucharist.
00:18:59.940 John Henry, on the face of it, that should outlaw communion in the hand everywhere in the church because that principle has obviously been violated.
00:19:10.200 And we've got the documentation going back to the 1970s on this.
00:19:13.840 That's the main condition. And then there are certain guidelines. And this speaks to the roach
00:19:20.760 problem that we have here. The new manner of giving communion must not be imposed in a way
00:19:27.860 that would exclude the traditional practice legally. The very condition of allowing communion
00:19:36.280 in the hand to rebellious parts of the church is that it's not imposed in such a way that would
00:19:42.960 exclude the traditional practice of kneeling and receiving on the tongue. It's a matter of
00:19:47.600 particular seriousness that in places where the new practice is lawfully permitted, every one of
00:19:54.100 the faithful have the option of receiving communion on the tongue, and even when other persons are
00:19:59.640 receiving communion in the hand. Now, John Henry, I can tell you from personal experience that they
00:20:05.820 introduced this in America, and I'll tell you the trick that the dark nefarious Bernadine used to
00:20:12.200 to get it to ram it through. But I was a little kid. I was about to receive Holy Communion for
00:20:17.580 the first time in 1978. It had been approved in 1977. And they did not respect this rubric
00:20:25.560 that says that giving some people the option of receiving in the hand, you still have to respect
00:20:32.620 the people that are going to receive on the tongue. All the kids in my class and myself
00:20:37.760 were taught to receive it in the hand.
00:20:40.120 There was no such thing as receiving it on the tongue.
00:20:43.400 And John, you know what my parents did?
00:20:45.840 They yanked me out of Sunday school.
00:20:49.160 And they got letters from the pastor,
00:20:52.720 from the parish council, from Sister Susie.
00:20:55.740 And they said, if this young man is not allowed
00:20:58.900 to receive communion in the hand
00:21:00.340 with the rest of his classmates,
00:21:02.140 he's going to be psychologically scarred
00:21:04.340 for the rest of his life.
00:21:05.620 Well, that explains a few things, doesn't it, Don Henry?
00:21:08.440 Over at LifeSite, we wrote a number of articles on this subject.
00:21:13.760 And one of the things that really stood out to me is that when the Anglicans broke away,
00:21:21.900 when, especially under Cranmer, when they wanted to do away with the belief in the Eucharist,
00:21:28.140 with really the mass per se, they wanted to downplay the reality of our Lord's presence
00:21:38.360 in the Blessed Sacrament.
00:21:39.940 And this is from them, as it was.
00:21:43.180 This is Martin Busser's book, Censura.
00:21:46.580 It was a 1551 critique of the Book of Common Prayer.
00:21:51.080 He's the one who pushed Thomas Cranmer to change the Book of Common Prayer to communion
00:21:56.200 in the hand.
00:21:56.640 And here's the quote from him from his book. It becomes our duty to abolish from the churches with all purity of doctrine, whatever forms of adoration of bread they wish to have employed by the antichrists and preserved in the hearts of the simpler kind of people.
00:22:19.520 He goes on to say he rejects communion on the tongue as promoting, and I quote, false honor and wicked arrogance of priests.
00:22:32.040 And so it was done in order to get rid of belief in the real presence of the blessed sacrament.
00:22:38.000 And this is what is being pushed right now, even by the Vatican itself.
00:22:43.700 Again, it's been predicted. Our Lady of La Salette said that Rome would become the seat of Antichrist. And I can't think of anything more Antichrist, literally, than not being reverent toward our Lord where he's most vulnerable in the Eucharist.
00:23:02.140 And just to add to your quote from Martin Busser, one of the founding fathers of the Reformation, this quote I'm going to give you from Martin Luther, we're just a few days away from Halloween, Reformation Day, when Luther attacked his 95 theses on the church door at Wittenberg and started the revolution.
00:23:21.860 um we see what luther and these people have in common with roach and his companions having
00:23:29.220 triumphed over the mass luther writes i think we have triumphed over the whole papacy
00:23:35.800 for upon the mass as upon a rock is built the whole papacy with its monasteries its bishoprics
00:23:46.040 its colleges, its altars, its ministers, its doctrines, and leans on it, the Mass, with its
00:23:54.680 whole weight. And all these things must fall with the sacrilegious and abominable Mass.
00:24:02.200 So Cardinal Seurat is right. Lucifer and his angels have been trying to take down
00:24:07.320 the holy sacrifice of the Mass for centuries. And that's why we should be praying the St.
00:24:13.380 Michael prayer to protect us against these demonic attacks. You have this allowance, which by the way
00:24:19.580 was scandalous all by itself, of Paul VI to sort of give in to the modernist groups seeking to do
00:24:26.440 what really the Anglicans, or at least the ones trying to undo belief in the true presence were
00:24:33.360 trying to do. Nonetheless, he gave his sort of tacit permission with the provisos. You know,
00:24:39.920 people might wonder, huh, who's right in this debate? Is it, you know, the popes of the past
00:24:46.680 or is it now Francis Leo who started this kind of war against it? And you can see with communion
00:24:53.860 on the tongue being forbidden in some dioceses where they're forbidding kneeling for holy
00:24:58.320 communion. It's just craziness. But heaven has voted, hasn't it? Heaven has shown where it wants
00:25:04.980 to sit with regard to this question. Tell us about that. Well, at Akita, Japan, over 50 years ago,
00:25:11.860 the statue of Our Lady bled tears. And this was miraculous. Bishop Ito confirmed it.
00:25:23.100 And the confessor to the spiritual director of Sister Sasagawa, he also confirmed it.
00:25:29.140 Our Lady is not crying for nothing.
00:25:31.840 She's crying because her son is being outraged.
00:25:36.800 And let me pull up the quote I have from Our Lady of Akita,
00:25:42.440 specifically about devotion and reparation.
00:25:47.580 Prayer, penance, and courageous sacrifices can soften the father's anger.
00:25:53.720 I desire this also from your community, that it love poverty, that it sanctify itself and pray in reparation for the ingratitude and the outrages of so many men.
00:26:09.800 And the order that Sister belonged to, and she was a convert, they're dedicated to the Eucharist.
00:26:16.420 And so Our Lady gave her a prayer.
00:26:20.520 Most sacred heart of Jesus, truly present in the Holy Eucharist,
00:26:25.380 I consecrate my body and soul to be entirely one with your heart,
00:26:31.000 being sacrificed at every instant on all the altars of the world
00:26:35.620 and giving praise to the Father, pleading for the coming of his kingdom.
00:26:41.880 Unquote.
00:26:42.360 Please receive this humble offering of myself.
00:26:45.260 Use me as you will for the glory of the Father and the salvation of souls.
00:26:50.560 Most Holy Mother of God, never let me be separated from your divine Son.
00:26:55.180 Please defend and protect me as your special child.
00:26:59.620 So that prayer was given to Sister Sasagawa.
00:27:02.660 And she also warned that if mankind did not repent, that fire would fall from the sky
00:27:09.100 and there'd be a great chastisement and, you know, the living would envy the dead.
00:27:14.780 I mean, this is not this is not a joke. You have to treat our Lord properly. And, you know, if I could even go back to another apparition, which is not fully approved, but many of the faithful believe in it.
00:27:32.500 And that's the apparition of Our Lady of Garabandal in Spain.
00:27:38.440 Our Lady, she said her message of October 18th, 1961 has not been complied with.
00:27:46.540 This is from 1965.
00:27:48.800 I am advising you that this is the last one.
00:27:51.840 Before the cup was filling up.
00:27:53.920 Now it is overflowing.
00:27:56.440 Many cardinals, many bishops, and many priests are on the road to perdition
00:28:03.360 and are taking many souls with them.
00:28:08.160 Less and less importance is being given to the Eucharist.
00:28:13.000 You should turn the wrath of God away from yourselves by your efforts.
00:28:19.740 If you ask for his forgiveness, with sincere hearts he will pardon you.
00:28:25.560 I, your mother, through the intercession of St. Michael the Archangel, ask you to amend your lives.
00:28:34.660 And you know what Our Lady of Garabandal and Our Lady of Akita have in common is Our Lady has expressed the fact that she is holding back the wrath of God.
00:28:43.940 And recently, this same Vatican from Bergoglio and Prevost has cast doubt on any apparition that would use such language.
00:28:58.080 Funny thing is then that, of course, would cast doubt on Fatima itself, but they didn't quite say that.
00:29:02.900 Even before Our Lady appeared to the children of Fatima, in the summer of 1916, the angel of Portugal appeared to the children, and specifically, it was a Eucharistic reparation that occurred.
00:29:19.880 After our lunch, we decided to go and pray in the grotto on the opposite side of the hill.
00:29:25.340 As soon as we arrived there, we knelt down with our faces on the ground and began to repeat the angel's prayer.
00:29:32.940 My God, I believe, I adore, I hope, and I love thee.
00:29:38.440 I don't know how many times we had said this prayer
00:29:41.000 when we saw an extraordinary light shining upon us.
00:29:45.040 We rose to see what was happening and beheld the angel
00:29:48.820 bearing a chalice in his left hand.
00:29:52.860 Drops of blood fell into the chalice from a host suspended above it.
00:29:57.860 Leaving the chalice and the host suspended in the air, the angel prostrated himself beside the children and said the following prayer three times.
00:30:11.840 Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, I adore thee profoundly, and I offer thee the most precious body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ.
00:30:27.860 present in all of the tabernacles of the world,
00:30:31.820 in reparation for the insults, sacrilegies, and indifference with which he is offended.
00:30:41.000 And through the infinite merits of his most sacred heart and the immaculate heart of Mary,
00:30:46.500 I beg of thee the conversion of poor sinners.
00:30:51.300 Then rising, he gave the host to Lucia, 0.95
00:30:54.200 and the contents of the chalice to Jacinta and Francisco,
00:30:57.860 to drink saying, take and drink the body and blood of Jesus Christ, who is horribly insulted
00:31:07.280 by ungrateful men. Make reparation for their crimes and console thy God. Well, John Henry,
00:31:17.040 you and I have a lot of reparation to make for what's going on.
00:31:21.160 Yes, indeed. And I think many people understand the call to reparation. It came out very strongly
00:31:30.180 in Fatima. It was make reparation for sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary
00:31:34.660 and our deity pointing us to make reparation for the sins committed against Jesus in the
00:31:39.140 Blessed Sacrament. I want you to give us the details on how this ended up, this practice
00:31:43.080 ended up in the United States and how it's so widespread. Because its origins in the United
00:31:48.240 States are quite nefarious. And I think we need to know that and understand how this practice came
00:31:54.880 about here in the USA. Well, Pope Paul VI, as we said, decided to make an exception to the law
00:32:01.380 to give an indult, but there were conditions. First, the indult could not be given to a country
00:32:09.500 in which communion in the hand was not an already established practice. Second, the bishops in
00:32:16.000 countries where it was an established practice must approve of the practice of communion in the
00:32:22.120 hand by a secret vote and with a two-thirds majority. And then beyond this, there were
00:32:30.160 seven other regulations, some of which we went into before. Now, when it came to the United
00:32:36.720 States of America, it was never the practice for communion in the hand to exist. So it shouldn't
00:32:45.980 even have been, you know, an issue at that point. But we learn, and again, there are several sources
00:32:53.600 on this, and the gist of it was that at the meeting of the bishops in 1977, when this came up,
00:33:04.520 the Cardinal Bernadine, Cardinal Joseph Bernadine, was the conference chairman.
00:33:09.500 Well, actually, somebody tried to stop it. Bishop Romeo Blanchett tried to stop the conference from
00:33:14.020 pursuing communion in the hand immediately, he made a motion that they take a vote as to whether
00:33:19.140 it was the prevailing custom already, which everybody knows it wasn't. Cardinal Bernadine,
00:33:24.820 the conference chairman, explained that this motion could be overruled, which would prevent
00:33:29.200 the bishops from voting on whether or not it was prevalent. The bishops overruled Bishop Blanchett
00:33:34.080 and therefore passed over even considering the first necessary condition for communion in the
00:33:38.920 But Bernadine apparently didn't stop there because he couldn't get, even with the people that were in power at that time, he couldn't get the two-thirds majority.
00:33:54.640 So what he did was he had absent bishops vote. This is like an early rig the vote thing from almost 50 years ago.
00:34:08.220 and uh by by getting people that were not at the secret meeting uh by counting the ballots as it
00:34:15.840 were after the fact they were able to get the two-thirds majority that they needed in order to
00:34:21.620 initiate this uh outrage um but that was par for the course for bernardine as we've said he's been
00:34:28.460 implicated in in in downright demonic activity demonic sexual activity we should mention by
00:34:36.260 witnesses that are still alive. Yeah. So just to know the origins of this practice should be
00:34:45.300 enough to make us steer clear of it. But I think the key takeaway to realize that a pope said in
00:34:55.840 116, when he was first pope, but he lived then. And in his short papacy, he says that it is
00:35:05.520 forbidden to receive Holy Communion in the hand. He's so stunning, especially when the argument
00:35:11.140 from the other side is, oh, they did in the early church, and the quote is a disputed quote
00:35:15.500 from St. Cyril, who lived in the 300s. That's just stunning. I think we should take that home
00:35:22.760 bank because that's the one that is really going to, I hope and I pray, prevail today
00:35:29.940 since, you know, that's why it's so great to talk to a church historian, but Ed, I want
00:35:35.040 to thank you so much for joining us.
00:35:36.880 God bless you.
00:35:37.580 Let's conclude with a Hail Mary in reparation for the sins committed against Jesus in the
00:35:42.320 Blessed Sacrament.
00:35:44.300 Father, the Son, Holy Ghost, Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
00:35:48.700 blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb jesus holy mary mother of god
00:35:56.180 pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our deaths amen in the name of the father and of the
00:36:01.560 son and of the holy ghost amen ed maza thank you so much god bless you thank you john henry god
00:36:07.780 bless and god bless all of you and we'll see you next time
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