Supernatural Evidence brings Catholics BACK to Church
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Summary
In this episode, Pastor Tim talks about his radical conversion from a Catholic to an Evangelical church, and how a miraculous video changed his life. Tim was raised in a Catholic family, but fell away from the faith at a young age. After a miraculous encounter with God, he was convinced that Jesus was real.
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If I knew you, I'd come over there, I'd plug it in, and people would always say the same thing.
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How come I've never heard of this? That's amazing!
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Hey, my friends. We have a fascinating show for you today.
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There's a fellow who has a radical conversion story,
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but the conversion story happens in a very mundane way in that it's exactly what you normally do.
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He's raised a Catholic by really good parents, and then falls away, leaves the faith,
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and joins an evangelical church, and then gets sent a miraculous video.
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No kidding, an actual miraculous video that speaks to him in a way that brings him back.
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And now he's an apostle. Tim, so good to be with you.
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Beautiful. So glad to be with you, John. So glad. So great for your apostolate, and so happy to share this message.
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Awesome. Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
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So, Tim, many people won't be familiar with your story,
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so why don't you give us sort of the nutshell version of your conversion?
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You bet, 100%. I grew up in a small town in Ohio,
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and it's about 5,000 people, John, like everybody knew everybody.
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I was one of six. There's five boys and a girl.
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No Catholic school there, so I just went to secular school,
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but we went to Catholic Mass. We had to. Mom and Dad, very, very faithful.
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And, you know, very orderly. I got no horror stories.
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I started getting into the bars with a fake ID of my brothers when I was like 15.
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And, you know, I still remember his Social Security number.
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But I went out to Ohio State, and just big university, like so people can,
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And I tell people my feast days were, you know, I didn't know about feast days.
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My feast days were Ohio State, Michigan football, right?
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And did a lot of partying, but right at the end of my college years,
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I got introduced to cocaine, and I'd never been around drugs my whole life.
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I mean, I was a health nut, still am, but it just happened.
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I was working at a bar, and they introduced me to it, and out of curiosity, really.
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And that sent me, at the end of my college years,
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So, you know, looking back, and I have a book I just wrote, which I'm not a writer.
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I was asked for years to do this, called From the Crack House to God's House,
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literally, From the Crack House to God's House, The Power of a Mother's Prayer.
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So, anyways, what happened is I went down to Texas, and I was chasing money,
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And we got invited to, you know, eventually as we were dating and we were going to get married,
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we got invited to a big mega church down in Texas called Fellowship Church.
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and the idea, it's been all over the news for 20 years for creativity.
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But I thought, this, I can't believe this is church.
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And so we kind of went from what I would say the bar scene to the Bible scene.
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I mean, I didn't, I was thinking, how do I even know Jesus is real?
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Like, how do I know it's not a Santa Claus story?
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Because, you know, come on, I've bought into a lot of things before.
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And so people started giving me books like Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell
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and, of course, The Case for Christ and things like that.
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So I got real excited that there actually could be, this could be real,
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And not to be rude, but I had better things to do with my time, that was my mindset,
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than to go spend a weekend, listen to a guy talk about a bunch of stuff that might not be real, right?
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So at the same time period, I called my mom and I said, hey, mom, I'm going to church.
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My mom's kind of like a Mother Teresa kind of lady.
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And I literally didn't know that language, okay?
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I hadn't, I didn't go to Catholic school, so I didn't, like, do they have a mass?
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Now, I'm kind of like a sports football guy at this time, not a Bible guy, right?
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And she said, I just want you to know what you're giving up.
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Now, I hadn't been going to church for years consistently anyways, but I love my mom.
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And I'm sure some of your listeners are familiar with the Journey Home Show by Marcus Grodi with the conversion stories.
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So I went on this big quest to figure out which version of Christianity is most biblical historical.
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So I said, okay, I need to have really smart people like John Henry on one side and the opposing views on the other side and have debates.
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He was at my house because he used to teach at UD, University of Dallas.
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They were debating the leaders of a church called Denton Bible Church.
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So I started listening to debates, listening to debates.
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And I learned the Catholic faith by listening to debates because I wanted to hear the best of both arguments.
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So here's where the supernatural element comes in.
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I decided by listening to these debates for a year or more that the Catholic Church absolutely was the most biblical and historical of the Christian faiths.
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And I listened to the best arguments against the Catholic Church, and I still do.
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But my wife didn't want anything to do with it.
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We went from the bar scene to the Bible scene, and we had great friends.
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But along that same time period, my mother, and it keeps going back to my mom, she sent me another tape.
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29 million people watched this, and I'm sure you can show them a clip of this right now.
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I mean to tell you, when I say nothing like this has ever been filmed, according to the father of Australian investigative journalism,
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I call him the Mike Wallace of Australia, or the people of the United States,
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And he investigates this over many years with Ron Tissarero.
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And they filmed this lady predicting and having a stigmata, the wounds of Christ.
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So it would be like if somebody sent you a tape of Bigfoot.
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I just couldn't believe I was witnessing somebody have the wounds of Christ.
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Now, because, see, remember, I'd already read evidence that demands a verdict, the case for Christ.
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So I intellectually knew there was historical evidence for Jesus.
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I understood the apologetics behind the Catholic faith.
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But what happened is there was an issue for me.
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When I started going back to the Catholic Church in the early 2000s, it was like I remember.
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And I couldn't even find a Bible study in the early 2000s where I was.
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But when I was at the big megachurch, they came early and left late.
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If all this is real, if the Catholic Church is the Church of Christ,
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why aren't people like on their knees lined up to receive the body and blood of Jesus?
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Which was the main selling point for me, by the way.
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So it's like if I knew you, remember, I'm not going to Catholic Church.
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If I knew you, I'd come over there, I'd plug it in, I'd plug it in.
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When they watch the video that you'll show them, they still say that.
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They can watch the whole show on my website, which I'm sure you'll give them.
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I'm going to the Catholic Church eventually, intellectually.
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So we were going to the mega church and the Catholic Church.
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My son, who's now almost 24, he was probably eight or nine.
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He used to say, are we going to the fun church or the boring church, right?
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Oh, yeah, but today, brother, he prefers the Latin only mass.
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So literally 10 years after my mom gave me the tape, I still don't know what it means.
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I don't even know that stigmata is connected to the Catholic Church.
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I literally just thought, see, I had the biblical and historical evidence for Jesus, but now I felt I had supernatural evidence.
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I was quite a doubting Thomas because I'd seen so much being in cells and everything.
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I didn't know what to believe, to be frank with you.
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Some guy who I used to kind of party with, he doesn't even go to church.
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He calls me out of the blue in 2009 and he says, yo, Tim, I was cleaning out my house and you left a tape there because I thought you might want it.
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And I got there and it was my mom's VCR tape of the show.
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And so I go, there's mom on the other side pushing me to this.
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So in 2009, I Google and I find who you interviewed, Ron Tessarero.
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It was his first book called Reason to Believe.
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And after that, John, I started going to daily mass in 2009.
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I started praying to rosary, going to holy hour.
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I mean, all the things my mom probably would have liked me to do when she was alive.
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What was it in the book that turned you around to daily mass, daily rosary and all that?
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Because that's from the point of belief to practice in such a sincere and full way.
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I'm glad you asked that question because, in fact, the lady who has the stigmata and this lady, she's been getting messages.
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You interviewed Ron Tessarero about her, I'm sure.
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She's been under the church's guidance from the beginning.
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And Ron literally filmed her writing for an hour straight without pausing one time.
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And she writes in Latin, Greek, Polish, and Italian.
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And her archbishop said, these are not just pious words from a pious person.
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So when you ask what changed, what may change, I was curious.
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What the heck is she writing, this lady who has the stigmata?
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And when I read it, it said, Jesus told her, he said, you are my apostle of the Eucharist.
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I have never given anybody more on the Eucharist than you.
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Now, I've known about this Eucharistic revival since 2009 because I was reading the books.
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And so as I read the books, everything cleared up for me.
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Remember, when I was going to the megachurch and the Catholic Church, it was, why aren't people taking an advantage of what, according to Scott Hahn and all these great apologists, is the body and blood of Jesus?
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But what hit me was, oh, my gosh, most people are unaware.
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In fact, the large percentage of, quote, unquote, Catholics are not taking advantage of it.
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Because 70% or 80% of them are missing mass, right?
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And I'm not even getting into they're bad or they're going to go to hell.
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My point is they're not taking advantage of the gifts and they're not even aware of it.
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And so when I read those messages, first of all, I challenge anybody to read two pages and put it down.
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And there's a book that I had put together by a Baptist.
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And it's the most Catholic book you can ever imagine.
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And he said, these are these are words from God, Tim.
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You want to get the best commentary on the last seven sayings of Jesus on the cross?
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But can I just be frank and nothing personal, Scott?
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This lady who never finished seventh grade, her little book that's in that book called Jesus Speaks,
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The Last Seven Sayings of Jesus, it blows it away.
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It's the best commentary I've ever read on the last seven sayings of Jesus.
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And so when you read those, you want to go to Mass.
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You don't go working out your first year working out because it's fun.
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And I know I'm preaching to the choir with you.
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But yeah, man, just everything in there was directing me back to the heart of worship.
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The sacrifice of the Mass, the idea that Jesus' heart was suffering.
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You interviewed Ron Tessarero about Eucharistic miracles.
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This is the same person, Ron, who interviewed this lady who filmed her half the stigmata.
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He's the same one that, as you know, did the primary investigation into the Eucharistic miracle of Buenos Aires.
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It's really beautiful stuff, because, I mean, this is where, as your website says, Science Tests Faith,
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because it is, first of all, tell us about the site, just so that people know what I'm talking about.
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Yes, it's nothing fancy, but Science Tests is plural.
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ScienceTestsFaith.com, and you can get, you'll be able to get her, that book just coming out,
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literally within two weeks, called Jesus Speaks.
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That's the prize, possession, especially for Lent.
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I wrote a book called From the Crack House to God's House,
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and it's the story of my mother praying me back into the church, and you see it visibly.
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And I also, of course, promote Ron's book, Ron Tessarero, My Human Heart.
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Never been filmed before in human history, ever, never, from beginning until end.
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And it's that show that my mom sent me is on my website, where you can just watch it, you know what I mean?
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If you ever want to see something where you actually watch the wounds appear and disappear,
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The Testimony of Ron, he was with, just to stress that point, he was with Mike Willisey.
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It was Megyn Kelly and Tucker before they were cancelled from Fox, even.
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Like, the top of the top, but as you said, Tim, he hated the faith, and he went to disprove it.
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Very much in history, we have this happen over and over again,
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At Fatima, and we're actually taping this, interestingly, on the feast of, or the 20th anniversary of the death of Sister Lucy.
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But it's interesting because the whole reason why the Miracle of the Sun was seen on video and with cameras
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is because the communist leadership of Portugal at the time, and especially of the area at the time,
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wanted to disprove Catholicism, wanted to make fun of those little kids,
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and shame Catholicism into non-existence because he hated the faith.
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And so he brought every single reporter from, like, all the place around to come and witness this,
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which he thought was going to permanently disprove Catholicism.
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Because here in Mike Willessi's case, again, same deal,
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And sure enough, it comes back with, oh my gosh, it's true.
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And you mentioned Fatima, it's interesting because the first time, it's going to blow you away,
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the first time I ever heard about Fatima, my friend, was when I read Ron's book in 2009.
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I learned about St. Padre Pio, St. Margaret Mary.
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I learned about Eucharistic Miracles, the Stigmata, Redemptive Suffering.
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You know, there was a guy named Muhammad Ali, and he was going to fight Joe Frazier for the third time.
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It was the thriller in Manila, right, in Philippines.
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They had 1,000 credited journalists that were dying to get time with Ali.
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And at the end of his life, Ron's interviewing him.
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You can get that book from my website, too, My Human Heart.
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And he's interviewing Mike as he's on his deathbed, literally, dying of throat cancer, Mike Willessi.
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And Mike says, and I'm paraphrasing, Ron, thank you for turning me on to the biggest story of my life.
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He was talking about filming this lady have the stigmata.
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And this is why this is such, it needs to be a huge story.
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I'm like, Bill, Megyn, listen, there's no bigger story than this.
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I organized two talks, one in Ohio and one in Texas.
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A guy named Bob Hughes from Love and Mercy filmed it in 2009.
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And it happened to be on the Blessed Mother's birthday.
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And if you watch that video, the original video, it's called Science Test Faith Following
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You see the Blessed Mother statue right behind the speaking podium as though she's blessing
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Then I find out that the first mystical experience that Catalina Rivas, the stigmatist, ever had
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Because as you know, Mary has one job, to bring people to her son.
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And if you read my book, From the Crack House to God's House, that's what my mom was doing,
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asking for intercession, praying the rosary for all of her kids, especially me, because
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And we go, you know, in Texas, it's the largest church in the diocese, and yet people were
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And Ron and Mike went back to Australia, and I said, I basically took everything I've
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learned from all the debates and apologetics, everything I've read at that point in time,
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as I started to read and still do, from Catalina's messages, and it never ends, and everything
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from the Bible and the church, and I said, I want to show people, not tell people, show
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people, the biblical, the historical, and the supernatural proof for the Catholic Church.
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And so I started to do, I put together a PowerPoint.
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And I don't remember how it happened, because I never meant to start something.
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When you say an apostolate or a ministry, that would be foreign language to me.
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I didn't even know people did stuff like this full-time.
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So my wife wanted to homeschool, and we spent, and you see this in my book, I got pictures
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We spent years traveling all over the United States.
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We do other things financially as well, insurance and mortgage.
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But traveling the United States in an old conversion van with our kids, from church to church to
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And so it's really never stopped in that sense.
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I go a lot of times with one of them, or maybe myself, and that kind of thing.
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But literally, I've been traveling all over the United States, and we've barely scratched
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So outside of our secular work, this is my main focus, to share this with the world.
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And I'm frustrated, John, because, and I'm glad I'm on your show, because, like you said
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before we started talking, nobody knows about this.
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And then you can tell them to your balloon face, but nobody catches this.
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It's like, it's like the biggest secret, and yet it's staring you in the face.
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I'm going to get clobbered by my wife, if I don't ask you.
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You know, she started to see, and she was open to, I remember at one point, she said,
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can we just not have Mary things in here, you know, in the house and stuff like that?
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And she used to pray the rosary, and she'd say, Holy Mary, Mother of Jesus, instead of
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I think the turning point, when we completely stopped, and it's not one thing I can think
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of, was when I got the book from Tesserero, and I started reading the messages to my wife
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She could visually see the lady have a stigmata.
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She could visually see, and by the way, all of your viewers can go to my website and see
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her writing and getting messages from Jesus and the stigmata.
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And she saw that, she saw that it was proved by the church, right?
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I mean, beyond that, in my opinion, her archbishop made her his executive secretary and had this
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And so when you read those messages, it became abundantly clear to her that there was a distinct
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But to somebody who's trying to play both sides of the megachurch environment, and that
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they're all kind of the same thing, she saw clearly the focus on the Eucharist and the
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Mass and the importance of the Blessed Mother, and the megachurches didn't have that.
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And so, and then she started, she went to homeschool, she got into a Catholic community, she got around
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This story, it irritates so greatly, because I see you mentioned Megyn Kelly and Candace Owens.
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There's no bigger story than this, like literally.
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You can watch the show, and then you've got, from the horse's mouth, from Jesus Christ himself,
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I don't care if you're a Catholic, a Protestant, an atheist.
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If you read that and see that, you have to come to terms with either this is, it's not
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We know it's real, because we've got evidence galore.
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So either it's from God or from another spirit.
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And the good news is, the fruits, and that's how you judge it, all lead people back to what
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the historic church has always believed, right?
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It's just, it's like a pizza, and you don't want to take off the pepperoni.
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You want to put everything together, the biblical, historical, and the supernatural.
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And I have to tell you, John, I, as you said, I don't know, most people don't know who I
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I don't even have a social media presence, okay?
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So, but I'll tell you this, I've got about 10,000 feedback forms.
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So when I come to a parish, and I'd love to come to any, anybody listening, if you'd like
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me to come to your parish, I'll tell you right up front, I don't charge a speaking fee,
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and I just want to get my travel reimbursed, okay?
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But when we do a presentation, oh my gosh, because we put up big screens, and we show
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the stigmata, we show that, but it's not just showing stuff.
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It's called signs from God, miracles, and their meaning.
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And at the end of the day, what happens is people go, I'm going to daily mass.
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I haven't been for five years, 10 years, 20 years.
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I'm going to do a holy hour now, and I'm certainly going to pray the rosary.
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For me, one of the biggest understandings of going to mass and wanting that, or it's almost
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like a recognition that how stupid would I have to be not to go to daily mass?
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Because if they, I once read a book called One More Mass, and one of the souls comes back
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just to give this message that, you know, if he could come back, suffer a whole lifetime
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of suffering, it would be worth it for one more mass.
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In the writings of Catalina Rivas, what for you touched you?
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One of the things that I've heard a lot of people say is, I never knew Jesus suffered
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I didn't know that Jesus is begging us to come to him in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
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Let me just say that, as you know, it's now, after 15 years of this, it's a compilation
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of so many different elements that have gotten me deeper and deeper.
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Like, if you look at a presentation I did back in 2012 compared to now, I mean, I'm so
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much deeper into the mass now, it's incredible.
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I read this book called The Incredible Catholic Mass.
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I thought, I'd already been traveling for several years.
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So I'd say specifically about her messages, you hit the nail on the head.
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And he talked about his suffering, just like a father would suffer if their kids are wayward,
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You know, and the big thing for me, I'll do a parallel to working out.
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If you're going to work out and you want to like get in shape and you want to grow and
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stuff, you know, for, you know, in my group, we just how much you could bench press and all
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And if somebody said to me, hey, man, we need to have a good week of working out this week,
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So the mass, if people can think of it, that that is your supernatural food.
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So if somebody says, I would never, I mean, of course people fast, but I'm saying on a
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normal basis, if people said, if in order for me to be productive, I have to physically
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eat, then if they really understood what the mass was and what the Eucharist was and how
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Jesus is feeding us, they would never, ever, ever not want to feed their soul, right?
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And I'm not saying if somebody doesn't go to daily mass, they're a bad person or they
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don't have belief, but they don't have a full understanding and belief.
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I believe that because they would not stay away.
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It's not a fun, you know, you're not going for fun.
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Some people might say, I'm not motivated to go to daily mass.
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And I said, it has nothing to do with motivation.
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Six months from now, you'll look back and you'll go, you know, as my dad said, and by
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the way, my dad, Edwin Joseph Francis died on All Saints Day.
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I'm getting ready to go back to Ohio to clean out his house.
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And he would say, you know, Tim, looking back, he wasn't a theological guy, but he said,
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And I say popular, still nobody knows about it.
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But that's the first book in this book called Jesus Speaks.
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But somebody reads that, there's no way they do mass the same tomorrow.
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That's my whole goal, to increase the sacramental and devotional life in the Catholic Church,
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I'll often give this example, especially when I speak to young people.
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I tell them, how many of you here go to mass every day?
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What about if I told you that I would give you $1,000 every mass you attended, but only
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if, only if you went every single day of the year to mass?
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At the end of it, you're going to get $365,000, guaranteed.
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I tell them, like, hey, you might get sick one day.
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The mass the church teaches is of infinite value.
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I go to daily mass because, well, for me, it's also that.
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But, you know, I don't know how to get there for everybody.
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There's different ways people have conversions.
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I used to think when I went to a church, John, I'm going to be speaking and I'm looking for,
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you know, this fringe, lukewarm, like I was, beyond lukewarm.
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But now I've come to believe after doing these presentations that the message is, I have people
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who go to daily mass that after they come, they walk away changed in their understanding
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of how to participate fully in the mass, how to pray the mass.
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That's what I'm on about nowadays is how to truly pray the mass, right?
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So I just think it's a matter of something catching people's attention.
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I think that if your kids and your grandkids that are away from the faith, watch the video
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And if you go to my website and you click on the store, you'll see a book called Jesus Speaks.
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If you click on the Jesus Speaks and scroll to the bottom, there's four little videos,
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the short ones of her getting messages and the stigmata, I do believe those grab the attention
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It doesn't mean, oh, I'm going to mass tomorrow.
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But once you have someone's attention, now you have a conversation starter, right?
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Now give them the book Jesus Speaks or give them my book first, not because I'm trying
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to promote my book, because I'm going to lead into everything I'm talking about.
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My whole story from the crack, you know, from growing up to the crack house of God.
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People say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
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But there are tools and resources that God gave us that can lead them to the water, right?
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And then if they want to drink, wow, do we have a ton of resources right for them.
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What I want to do is ask you for final thoughts and tell you we're going to have you back on
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again, because I think it's going to be fantastic to roll out more of this with you.
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Give us for right now, final thoughts on really on your coming back, your encouragement for
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people to delve into the Holy Sacrifice, to take it daily if they can, and why they should
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As I mentioned, if you wanted to have a productive week or month in your life, you'd make sure
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And the supernatural food is Jesus Christ, his body, blood, soul, and divinity.
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And even if you can't receive, okay, don't stay away from Mass, because the main point
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But the main deal is to offer Jesus to the Father in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
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And if you can learn how to pray the Mass and email me, I'll show you how to pray the Mass.
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We're not just talking about heaven or hell, which is, of course, important.
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If you thought that you were on a hunting trip and a bear was going to potentially come to
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This is what keeps evil away from our lives, right?
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And so this is, if people understood this, they'd be all over it.
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And I just say, finally, for those of you who have kids and grandkids away from the church,
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and of course we hear that all the time, I was that guy.
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I don't mean just, you know, just horribly nuts.
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And my mother consistently, as you'll see in my book, wrote journals and prayed and prayed
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And your powers, your powers or your prayers are so powerful.
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I devoted the rest of my life to traveling and sharing this information with people because
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So watch the video on my website of the lady with the stigmata, and then make sure you definitely
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And I'm going to go and promote my book because I think that will show you my whole story as
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it leads up called, it's called From the Crack House to God's House, The Power of a Mother's
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God bless my mother, Patricia Ann Francis, Edwin Joseph Francis, both have now passed away.
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And if you need somebody to pray for you, my mother was voted most likely to be a saint
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when she died from our little church in Sacred Heart, New Carlisle, Ohio.
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That's the first time I've heard the comparisons, the sacraments are like bear spray.
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